Post by: i2amroy on March 08, 2015, 12:14:10 am
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead (http://en.cataclysmdda.com)
For those who are unaware, Cataclysm is a roguelike set in the post-apocalypse. There are zombies, but it is NOT a zombie game. And even the zombies aren't as they appear. You'll fight robots and giant worms, mutate and enhance yourself with cybernetics, and struggle to keep your hunger (and the wolves) at bay, all while uncovering the secret of why the world was really destroyed.
Welcome to the end.
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You emerge from the shelter into the dim light of an overcast day, and look around for the first time since the disaster.
The world as you knew it is gone. A ruined world stands in its place, full of nightmares come to life. Nothing can ever go back to the way it was, before the Cataclysm, but you have to be strong. You have to survive. You have to persevere. If you don't, death will be one of the better outcomes.
Above your head, storm clouds gather, and the rain stings and hisses against your skin. You shoulder your backpack, and start walking. The world has gone to hell, but you get the sinking feeling that there are darker days ahead.
So, Cataclysm. Some of you may remember the original version. You may also remember that Whales isn't working on it anymore. No worries though, development is still going strong, led by Kevin Granade (or azmodean here on Bay12), with an active Github page (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/).
Spoiler: Latest Changelog (0.C) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Descan on March 08, 2015, 12:20:35 am
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Post by: Baffler on March 08, 2015, 12:29:07 am
Quote from: New Feature
You can warm yourself up from a nearby fire.
So that's why I kept freezing at night. Is this version released now? The download link on the page is still for 0.B.
Post by: Sindain on March 08, 2015, 12:29:33 am
Post by: Angle on March 08, 2015, 12:30:53 am
Post by: i2amroy on March 08, 2015, 12:35:24 am
Not quite, but unless something huge comes up it should be hopefully going out sometime today or tomorrow last I knew (Though as always we reserve the right to delay it just a bit if something horrible happens :P). That said if the itch has you bad you can download the latest experimental versions from the main page. They are functionally identical to the planned .C release, with the only real differences being that they are still labeled "0.B" and a few of the translations aren't totally updated quite yet.Quote from: New FeatureYou can warm yourself up from a nearby fire.
So that's why I kept freezing at night. Is this version released now? The download link on the page is still for 0.B.
Post by: n9103 on March 08, 2015, 12:40:39 am
Also, thanks for an actual changelog, azmodean :)
Post by: Elephant Parade on March 08, 2015, 12:40:42 am
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Post by: Emma on March 08, 2015, 01:00:54 am
all aboard the PTW train!Choo! Choo!
Post by: i2amroy on March 08, 2015, 01:03:08 am
The 0.C release is just waiting on translations at this point. Depending on what translators say, we might have a few more days (possibly up to a week) before the actual release-release goes out. Alternatively if everyone responds with totally translated languages we might have something out tomorrow. Gameplay wise the current .B experimental is virtually identical to .C so if you aren't in a foreign language feel free to give it a bit of an early spin (or just feel THE HYPE of the changelog for the next few days).
Post by: IcyTea31 on March 08, 2015, 01:06:59 am
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Post by: Cheedows on March 08, 2015, 01:37:01 am
all aboard the PTW train!Choo! Choo!
Hope the train didn't leave without me.
Post by: beorn080 on March 08, 2015, 01:42:57 am
A thousand pages of cataclysm, lost to the void of forum archives...Now we'll never catch up to space station 13.
On topic, DLed an experimental from a day or two ago. Found a mansion, couple suits of ornamental armor in front, lots of food, water. No pool, sadly, but otherwise quite nice. Currently gathering everything up into central bedroom, because its not a good permanent base, but its annoyingly slow, as there is something crunching in the woods outside, and I can't figure out what.
Post by: Glloyd on March 08, 2015, 01:57:07 am
Post by: Darkmere on March 08, 2015, 02:29:08 am
Edit: because words is hard.
Post by: Gamerlord on March 08, 2015, 02:44:33 am
Post by: azmodean on March 08, 2015, 02:47:02 am
A thousand pages of cataclysm, lost to the void of forum archives...Well there's a link to it from the OP, so you can think of them as being virtually conCATentated *looks at i2amroy's avatar, waits for groans*.
Post by: hops on March 08, 2015, 03:12:12 am
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Post by: Nuttycompa on March 08, 2015, 05:02:09 am
How can I make an indoor fire without burning everything I love and care down?
Post by: Graknorke on March 08, 2015, 05:06:18 am
Can't wait for 0.C. because when it lands, the experimentals are getting a certain much awaited bounty feature whose name starts with Z (*hint *hint)Zzz-zombies? You should totally add a mode to the game where you fight zombies. I bet that would be so rad.
Post by: Sheb on March 08, 2015, 05:07:02 am
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Post by: Aseaheru on March 08, 2015, 08:22:16 am
Namely, weapon straps.
Post by: Tomcost on March 08, 2015, 08:38:33 am
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Post by: pisskop on March 08, 2015, 08:48:27 am
Also the wanderer's changes; like weather, barometers, fire warmth, etc.
Post by: BigD145 on March 08, 2015, 08:54:55 am
Post by: Cheedows on March 08, 2015, 09:41:56 am
Posting to link back in, and also to point out that a number of the .0C "new" features where in the last stable build.
Namely, weapon straps.
Oh neat, they did? Were they craftable? I don't think any of the assault rifles I found in the last stable had straps, so it seems that not all guns come with straps to wear.
Post by: Kassire on March 08, 2015, 09:49:59 am
Post by: Akura on March 08, 2015, 10:58:44 am
I should note the vehicle is a motorbike built from scratch using extra-light frames and a V8 diesel engine.
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2015, 11:00:45 am
Am I doing something really wrong(or really right) if driving over a shrub(at ~200MPH) rips off half the vehicle?I think you should test with a bigger vehicle. The 'shrub' and collision has...in my memory, been present since the 'before' builds.
I should note the vehicle is a motorbike built from scratch using extra-light frames and a V8 diesel engine.
And a 'shrub' can pretty much mean many different kinds of hardy plants. :P
We are uncertain as to the durability of 'extra-light' frames...so it does make plausible sense that this would occur.
Post by: Cheedows on March 08, 2015, 11:14:41 am
Am I doing something really wrong(or really right) if driving over a shrub(at ~200MPH) rips off half the vehicle?I think you should test with a bigger vehicle. The 'shrub' and collision has...in my memory, been present since the 'before' builds.
I should note the vehicle is a motorbike built from scratch using extra-light frames and a V8 diesel engine.
And a 'shrub' can pretty much mean many different kinds of hardy plants. :P
We are uncertain as to the durability of 'extra-light' frames...so it does make plausible sense that this would occur.
Yep, my truck essentially drove itself into the ground when it hit a shrub. Then it's wheels flew off, but this was a truck with regular steel frames and was quite durable. So shrubs generally have been car enders in my experience. :P
Post by: Sindain on March 08, 2015, 11:36:26 am
Also, 200 mph is really damn fast, the damage would not be so drastic at lower speeds.
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2015, 11:43:23 am
I'm pondering on fanart exemplifying the landmine++ strength of a shrub here.Am I doing something really wrong(or really right) if driving over a shrub(at ~200MPH) rips off half the vehicle?I think you should test with a bigger vehicle. The 'shrub' and collision has...in my memory, been present since the 'before' builds.
I should note the vehicle is a motorbike built from scratch using extra-light frames and a V8 diesel engine.
And a 'shrub' can pretty much mean many different kinds of hardy plants. :P
We are uncertain as to the durability of 'extra-light' frames...so it does make plausible sense that this would occur.
Yep, my truck essentially drove itself into the ground when it hit a shrub. Then it's wheels flew off, but this was a truck with regular steel frames and was quite durable. So shrubs generally have been car enders in my experience. :P
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It sounds like a brilliant idea given how consistent it has been in the builds. :P
Post by: TheBronzePickle on March 08, 2015, 11:55:45 am
Post by: pisskop on March 08, 2015, 12:10:52 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 08, 2015, 12:17:17 pm
all aboard the PTW train!*choochoo*
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2015, 12:21:11 pm
Yep, my truck essentially drove itself into the ground when it hit a shrub. Then it's wheels flew off, but this was a truck with regular steel frames and was quite durable. So shrubs generally have been car enders in my experience. :P
You can still use cars as wrecking balls without dying?
Compare quote #1 to your quote? Yes.
I can drive a refurbished vanilla truck (or a debug-test truck) into a derelict store, or a military base (turrets and all) and come out alive and still speeding by a fraction.
Even landmines don't stop me (in a custom vehicle with the same frame configuration)...for some strange reason. It just damages like an area-of-effect marker.
...Not so for shrubs. Shrubs are another story.
Post by: Graknorke on March 08, 2015, 12:22:47 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on March 08, 2015, 12:27:34 pm
Of course, with shrubs and bushes and similar being so variant in height, this may not be true. Thats just what I expect though, from the region.
Post by: Greiger on March 08, 2015, 01:04:31 pm
You can't just take a vanilla car offroad without going very slowly or suffering damage. But if you take the time you can reinforce one that can handle the task. It gives you something to do to improve the car that makes it better than vanilla, even when you are not one of those mobile base types and just use it for loot transport.
Post by: MrWiggles on March 08, 2015, 02:19:19 pm
Post by: Descan on March 08, 2015, 02:21:25 pm
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Post by: Tomcost on March 08, 2015, 02:43:35 pm
getting it up permanently is super hard, but temp bonuses are relatively easy: just takestimulantsmeth.
FTFY
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2015, 02:43:56 pm
I like shrubs being car wreckers. It allows you to have a regular car and drive around with it but if you have no easy means to repair it you avoid driving offroad...just like a normal car. But with a little bit of time and resources you can convert that same car to be safe to drive offroad at reduced speeds through bushes just with a bit of front armor. Or even go whole hog and design a fully custom maneuverable 3 tile wide armored tank that can do highway speeds offroad with armor absorbing the strikes from bushes and weaving around the thicker stuff.Comically, to emphasize my previous post, you can drive a truck into the outskirts of the forest and watch a few full grown trees get downed (or that's how I saw it anyway, I did manage to plow through a few) yet...a shrub on the other hand does otherwise?
You can't just take a vanilla car offroad without going very slowly or suffering damage. But if you take the time you can reinforce one that can handle the task. It gives you something to do to improve the car that makes it better than vanilla, even when you are not one of those mobile base types and just use it for loot transport.
Anyway, one bit here:
What's with some mutations (in debug) which have certain...um, categories? Like Wolf? Is it associated with the mutagen or the creature? The description text seems to be leading more on the mutagen but...it seems out of place, unless the lore does say that the mutagen was directly being developed for such purposes. IMO.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 08, 2015, 03:34:22 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 08, 2015, 03:49:32 pm
I like shrubs being car wreckers. It allows you to have a regular car and drive around with it but if you have no easy means to repair it you avoid driving offroad...just like a normal car. But with a little bit of time and resources you can convert that same car to be safe to drive offroad at reduced speeds through bushes just with a bit of front armor. Or even go whole hog and design a fully custom maneuverable 3 tile wide armored tank that can do highway speeds offroad with armor absorbing the strikes from bushes and weaving around the thicker stuff.Comically, to emphasize my previous post, you can drive a truck into the outskirts of the forest and watch a few full grown trees get downed (or that's how I saw it anyway, I did manage to plow through a few) yet...a shrub on the other hand does otherwise?
You can't just take a vanilla car offroad without going very slowly or suffering damage. But if you take the time you can reinforce one that can handle the task. It gives you something to do to improve the car that makes it better than vanilla, even when you are not one of those mobile base types and just use it for loot transport.
Anyway, one bit here:
What's with some mutations (in debug) which have certain...um, categories? Like Wolf? Is it associated with the mutagen or the creature? The description text seems to be leading more on the mutagen but...it seems out of place, unless the lore does say that the mutagen was directly being developed for such purposes. IMO.
Mutational branches in the tree. Certain mutations are categorized as certain animals with some overlap. Claws are cats, bears, wolves, etc I thjnk. With cetain mutagens you will go down those branches with use.
Post by: Teneb on March 08, 2015, 03:52:34 pm
Yeah. If you decide to go down the, say, plant path, you end up having bark for skin, being able to photosynthesize, but end up slower.I like shrubs being car wreckers. It allows you to have a regular car and drive around with it but if you have no easy means to repair it you avoid driving offroad...just like a normal car. But with a little bit of time and resources you can convert that same car to be safe to drive offroad at reduced speeds through bushes just with a bit of front armor. Or even go whole hog and design a fully custom maneuverable 3 tile wide armored tank that can do highway speeds offroad with armor absorbing the strikes from bushes and weaving around the thicker stuff.Comically, to emphasize my previous post, you can drive a truck into the outskirts of the forest and watch a few full grown trees get downed (or that's how I saw it anyway, I did manage to plow through a few) yet...a shrub on the other hand does otherwise?
You can't just take a vanilla car offroad without going very slowly or suffering damage. But if you take the time you can reinforce one that can handle the task. It gives you something to do to improve the car that makes it better than vanilla, even when you are not one of those mobile base types and just use it for loot transport.
Anyway, one bit here:
What's with some mutations (in debug) which have certain...um, categories? Like Wolf? Is it associated with the mutagen or the creature? The description text seems to be leading more on the mutagen but...it seems out of place, unless the lore does say that the mutagen was directly being developed for such purposes. IMO.
Mutational branches in the tree. Certain mutations are categorized as certain animals with some overlap. Claws are cats, bears, wolves, etc I thjnk. With cetain mutagens you will go down those branches with use.
Post by: Darkmere on March 08, 2015, 04:33:39 pm
Post by: scrdest on March 08, 2015, 04:44:42 pm
I like shrubs being car wreckers. It allows you to have a regular car and drive around with it but if you have no easy means to repair it you avoid driving offroad...just like a normal car. But with a little bit of time and resources you can convert that same car to be safe to drive offroad at reduced speeds through bushes just with a bit of front armor. Or even go whole hog and design a fully custom maneuverable 3 tile wide armored tank that can do highway speeds offroad with armor absorbing the strikes from bushes and weaving around the thicker stuff.Comically, to emphasize my previous post, you can drive a truck into the outskirts of the forest and watch a few full grown trees get downed (or that's how I saw it anyway, I did manage to plow through a few) yet...a shrub on the other hand does otherwise?
You can't just take a vanilla car offroad without going very slowly or suffering damage. But if you take the time you can reinforce one that can handle the task. It gives you something to do to improve the car that makes it better than vanilla, even when you are not one of those mobile base types and just use it for loot transport.
Anyway, one bit here:
What's with some mutations (in debug) which have certain...um, categories? Like Wolf? Is it associated with the mutagen or the creature? The description text seems to be leading more on the mutagen but...it seems out of place, unless the lore does say that the mutagen was directly being developed for such purposes. IMO.
Mutational branches in the tree. Certain mutations are categorized as certain animals with some overlap. Claws are cats, bears, wolves, etc I thjnk. With cetain mutagens you will go down those branches with use.
Basically, the old categories, mostly Beast, had specialized kinda-subcategories added, so you mutate into something a bit more specific than a generic chimaera of wild animal parts and characteristics. It's significant insofar as if you accumulate enough mutations in one specific category and use that category's concentrated (the syringe one) mutagen you get access to different powers you cannot access without specialization.
For example, going generic Beast allows you to get a mutation that allows you to be a remorseless cannibal, whereas Bear (Ursine), while working on the same normal mutations gives you access to mutations that allow you to hibernate.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 08, 2015, 04:58:08 pm
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They can shock you, so meleeing them sounds like a bad idea. Have you tried applying a shotgun to the face?Rivtech short shotgun is my all-time favorite backup for cases like this - it's powerful enough and small enough to count as a handgun for holsters, so you can eliminate any non-mechanical enemy in around three turns. The ammo rareness is only more of an incentive to use it as an emergency weapon.
Post by: RangerCado on March 08, 2015, 05:56:26 pm
Any tips for a first time player with only a couple videos as knowledge? (I'll learn quickly :) )
Post by: Graknorke on March 08, 2015, 05:59:00 pm
Post by: i2amroy on March 08, 2015, 06:15:29 pm
1) Take things slow. Try to deal with zombies 1-2 at a time. Don't try to take on the whole horde with nothing but good intentions.
2) Don't get hurt. Your ability to fight degrades as you get hurt (as well as your ability to run away), which means you can very quickly snowball into a loop of you getting hurt which makes you less able to fight/run which means you get hurt more and so on. Lure zombies onto things like bushes and other things that slow them down, take a potshot, and then lure them onto something else. Never give them a chance to strike back.
3) When in doubt, RUN. You can outpace most things that would try to hurt you, with a few notable exceptions. Learn what those exceptions are, and learn when you have to turn and fight because you can't run, but when in doubt always try to run away first.
Post by: pisskop on March 08, 2015, 06:22:46 pm
There's apparently 3x3 refugee centers
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That have working cars with a little fuel, but tons of npcs to keep you safe.
Post by: Rince Wind on March 08, 2015, 06:24:36 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 08, 2015, 06:26:15 pm
Hm, the last refugee center I went into (was also my first) was empty upstairs, and I did not manage to get downstairs.Mine always have zombies that spawn in the top-right quadrant. Lulz are had as I bait them into the npcs.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 08, 2015, 06:28:36 pm
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Post by: Graknorke on March 08, 2015, 06:41:49 pm
Post by: Cheedows on March 08, 2015, 06:55:46 pm
PTW, and post to finally getting around to playing this. :D
Any tips for a first time player with only a couple videos as knowledge? (I'll learn quickly :) )
Knife spears. Seriously, knife spears are amazing and are the best generic starter weapon (barring martial arts). If you use the latest 0.C though forked spears are better but take more work. Also, tailoring in general is a vital part of the game and can help you survive the first few days. Along with tailoring is learning how the encumbrance and layering system works to be both protected and able to fight zombies.
Post by: Gentlefish on March 08, 2015, 07:17:56 pm
PTW, and post to finally getting around to playing this. :D
Any tips for a first time player with only a couple videos as knowledge? (I'll learn quickly :) )
Knife spears. Seriously, knife spears are amazing and are the best generic starter weapon (barring martial arts). If you use the latest 0.C though forked spears are better but take more work. Also, tailoring in general is a vital part of the game and can help you survive the first few days. Along with tailoring is learning how the encumbrance and layering system works to be both protected and able to fight zombies.
Alternatively, cudgel, which will deal with skeletons and stun opponents with great speed.
Post by: Cheedows on March 08, 2015, 07:26:18 pm
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Post by: i2amroy on March 08, 2015, 11:13:47 pm
I did some test and now I'm 80% sure that random npcs are needed for the refugee center to spawn.If that's the case it's definitely not intended. The refugee center should be based on static NPC's spawning, not randoms.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 08, 2015, 11:16:11 pm
I did some test and now I'm 80% sure that random npcs are needed for the refugee center to spawn.If that's the case it's definitely not intended. The refugee center should be based on static NPC's spawning, not randoms.
I'd need to test a few more worlds to be more certain but so far the only worlds in which I found refugee camps had random npcs.
Post by: Tnx on March 08, 2015, 11:36:00 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 09, 2015, 12:14:33 am
Nah, I see refugee centers all the time and I play with static NPCs only.
You're right, just found one without random npcs.
Post by: Majestic7 on March 09, 2015, 01:51:45 am
Post by: azmodean on March 09, 2015, 02:00:12 am
The Cooper release is named in honor of the new monster infighting system, now you can sit back and watch as your enemies tear each other to pieces. Don't get too close though, they're still out for your blood.
This release also brings the long-requested DeathCam system, which lets you see the aftermath of the glorious fireball or atrocious trainwreck that was your demise.
Gun users will notice a new aiming menu, you now spend time to steady your aim, do you take the shot now, or wait until the zombie gets a little closer?
Tailoring-oriented survivors (and who isn't?) will note the new tailor's kit item, which lets you add insulation or protective patches to your clothes.
Survivors with gigantic deathmobiles may appreciate the new turret options, including being able to enable/disable individual turrets, and being able to fire some turrets manually.
Finally, for survivors with, shall we say, "well-stocked" bases, there are massive improvements to performance when there are many thousands of items nearby.
As usual, the official stable builds are available from the website:
Linux Curses
http://assets.cataclysmdda.com/downloads/linux_binaries/cddacurses-0.C.tar.gz
Windows terminal.
http://assets.cataclysmdda.com/downloads/windows_binaries/cddacurses-0.C.zip
Linux SDL/TILES
http://assets.cataclysmdda.com/downloads/linux_binaries/cddasdl-0.C.tar.gz
Windows SDL/TILES
http://assets.cataclysmdda.com/downloads/windows_binaries/cddasdl-0.C.zip
And as usual, the ridiculously gigantic changelog:
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Post by: Emma on March 09, 2015, 02:16:28 am
Post by: Majestic7 on March 09, 2015, 02:19:03 am
Post by: Chezzo on March 09, 2015, 05:38:56 am
(http://chezzo.com/cdda/skriin.png)
It's in 0.C, just press ?, 2, >, >, and select ChestHole from the list of tile sets.
I'm still working on it in the Cataclysm forums. (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=9587.0)
Post by: teoleo on March 09, 2015, 07:05:34 am
Post by: Akura on March 09, 2015, 07:40:42 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 09, 2015, 08:07:20 am
Post by: Blaze on March 09, 2015, 08:21:17 am
Yay.
Post by: BigD145 on March 09, 2015, 08:23:53 am
So the new stable is out, meaning I can completely ignore it and go straight to the experimentals to enjoy the new additions that were building up due to the feature freeze?
Yay.
Experimental master race!
Post by: Majestic7 on March 09, 2015, 08:40:57 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 09, 2015, 08:45:45 am
Experimental master race sounds like something horribly mutated out of Himmler's cloning vats.Seems appropriate considering this game
Post by: BigD145 on March 09, 2015, 08:46:24 am
Post by: Descan on March 09, 2015, 08:51:10 am
Now I want to mod in a mutation category "Ubermensch," like Alpha but more (over-the-top) Nazi. Somehow. Cannibalism?
Post by: Angle on March 09, 2015, 08:55:17 am
Post by: Majestic7 on March 09, 2015, 08:56:07 am
edit: or maybe you could start as a clone of Hitler with the effect of everyone hating you since you are literally Hitler.
Post by: Descan on March 09, 2015, 09:15:58 am
It's amazing how well balanced the game is considering the method of development...
Post by: Fniff on March 09, 2015, 09:21:43 am
Post by: Descan on March 09, 2015, 09:24:58 am
Imagine being Hitler and coming across a corpse of Hitler, complete with all the changes a normal game of cataclysm brings.
It'd be enough that he wouldn't need a Walther PP to blow his mind.
Post by: BigD145 on March 09, 2015, 09:25:37 am
I can only see Cata scientists trying to clone Einstein or Newton or Hawking. Hawking in a chickenwalker!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW-p8s_HCCo
"If you are looking for trouble, you found it."
Post by: Fniff on March 09, 2015, 09:34:59 am
It's bad enough to come across your old characters corpse in a world, but at least in-game you have no reason to think of it as anything special.Worse: imagine being Hitler walking out of a weird lab and trying to restart the Nazi regime... Only to learn that two other Hitlers were way ahead of you and are now leading opposing factions to dominate the wasteland. Now Hitler is forced to team up with a cloned Stalin in order to win the War of the Two Cloned Hitlers.
Imagine being Hitler and coming across a corpse of Hitler, complete with all the changes a normal game of cataclysm brings.
It'd be enough that he wouldn't need a Walther PP to blow his mind.
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This idea is property of Fniff Co™.
One hundred coding monkeys banging on 100 typewriters...Eh, I could also see them trying to clone anyone interesting they have DNA of. Maybe they start making combinations.
I can only see Cata scientists trying to clone Einstein or Newton or Hawking. Hawking in a chickenwalker!
Spoiler: CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT: CODE BLACK (click to show/hide)
Post by: Majestic7 on March 09, 2015, 09:35:24 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 09, 2015, 10:16:42 am
I'm naming my next character Hitler just so I can find his corpse later. I will make him suicide in a LMOE shelter if I find one for the historical accuracy.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 09, 2015, 10:37:06 am
Spoiler: Things that where in the last stable version (click to show/hide)
I am rather certain that all of the above items where in, in some form, either .a or .b, which is slightly interesting.
Post by: azmodean on March 09, 2015, 10:50:09 am
It's amazing how well balanced the game is considering the method of development...I'm not sure what your impression of our development process is, but there are only three people actively merging changes, and we keep a pretty tight reign on balance issues. If someone makes a pull request with major balance implications (including myself) it's scrutinized pretty closely and there's a lot of discussion about how it's going to impact the player before it gets merged.
Then once a change is in experimentals, we do pay attention to reports of things being imbalanced (though that often has to be taken with a grain of salt, because the most common report is "X killd meh, pls nerf").
Community developed doesn't mean free-for-all :)
Post by: Descan on March 09, 2015, 10:57:40 am
On another note: How hard would it be to re-jigger crafting and split it into two (under the hood) categories, one "set it and forget it" and the other "needs continued attention"?
I ask because while it makes sense for tailoring or tinkering with electronics or smithing to take all your attention and you can't do anything else, cooking and certain recipes in other categories make less sense. Like cooking bone broth, or boiling water. You're just putting water on a fire, with something in it. What prevents you from reading a book or tailoring your clothes while it processes, whatever the task is?
Post by: Blaze on March 09, 2015, 11:07:21 am
If possible, we could have a number of some of us semi-modders root through the various recipe/item jsons and add them. I'm afraid I don't have the time to do it alone.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 09, 2015, 11:13:52 am
edit: or maybe you could start as a clone of Hitler with the effect of everyone hating you since you are literally Hitler.
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Post by: pisskop on March 09, 2015, 11:19:04 am
Don't miss my new tile set, featuring wearable and wieldable icons and mutations.Wait, some of the zoms are wearing skirts.
Does the game actually generate zombie gender as opposed to sets of random drops?
Post by: Descan on March 09, 2015, 11:33:42 am
I wonder if you could pickpocket zombies.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 09, 2015, 12:31:24 pm
Edit: Or not. Got surrounded by shockers in a ruined house when trying to find where the laser eye thigny that was ruining the center was.
Post by: Fniff on March 09, 2015, 01:11:22 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on March 09, 2015, 01:25:58 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 09, 2015, 02:01:25 pm
And I have to activate night vision mutation :o
Post by: Shizmoo on March 09, 2015, 02:01:28 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 09, 2015, 02:08:19 pm
Post by: i2amroy on March 09, 2015, 02:33:11 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 09, 2015, 02:43:59 pm
The whole Hitler thing reminds me of some old movie where a bunch of escaped Nazis clone Hitler a dozen times to have him come back and lead them; and then fail miserably because cloning doesn't work like that and all the new clones are actually rather nice.
UbiSoft would tell a different story. A story of inhereted memories of lives past. A story of clone Hitler and how he learned from prehistoric Hitler that there could be but one sentient species.
Post by: gimlet on March 09, 2015, 02:56:10 pm
The whole Hitler thing reminds me of some old movie where a bunch of escaped Nazis clone Hitler a dozen times to have him come back and lead them; and then fail miserably because cloning doesn't work like that and all the new clones are actually rather nice.That's 'cause they didn't do the Boys From Brazil thing and *also* replicate his life circumstances and traumas at the proper times...
Post by: Descan on March 09, 2015, 03:03:11 pm
And imagine the trauma of finding out you're literally Hitler, eh? You'd be terrified of the potential evil in your genes. Not to mention the medical experimentation on you would likely give you a reason to hate, so you might give in to that potential.
Though on the other hand, you'd be able to paint passable realist landscapes. So you have that going for you.
Post by: beorn080 on March 09, 2015, 03:05:04 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on March 09, 2015, 03:07:23 pm
Post by: Graknorke on March 09, 2015, 03:09:43 pm
HitlerWhy does everyone have this obsession with cloning Hitler anyway? It's not like he had the "genocide gene" or something. That would be dumb.
Though I reckon Hitler-clone could probably live a life if he took care of his presentation. Keep somewhat messy hair, clean shaven or a beard, maybe make-up, don't stab people in the face... the usual stuff you do to hide your identity.
Post by: beorn080 on March 09, 2015, 03:12:24 pm
Don't have a hitler stache. Really, I'm not sure your average person would ever recognize him without it anymore.HitlerWhy does everyone have this obsession with cloning Hitler anyway? It's not like he had the "genocide gene" or something. That would be dumb.
Though I reckon Hitler-clone could probably live a life if he took care of his presentation. Keep somewhat messy hair, clean shaven or a beard, maybe make-up, don't stab people in the face... the usual stuff you do to hide your identity.
Post by: Descan on March 09, 2015, 03:30:48 pm
Spoiler: 'Stacheless Fuehrer (click to show/hide)
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 09, 2015, 03:45:31 pm
Post by: Fniff on March 09, 2015, 04:05:37 pm
Post by: scrdest on March 09, 2015, 04:20:30 pm
I wonder what stacheless Stalin looks like.If only Stalin 'Stache counts, like this:
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Post by: Graknorke on March 09, 2015, 04:21:10 pm
Post by: Android on March 09, 2015, 04:30:15 pm
Run and hit mobs over broken windows, they say. Still get my face eaten the next turn. (And no, these arnt special mobs either)
Post by: Rince Wind on March 09, 2015, 04:32:25 pm
Post by: Android on March 09, 2015, 04:33:38 pm
Post by: Fniff on March 09, 2015, 04:35:24 pm
You know, I was expecting that to be a photoshop of Stalin's moistache, just floating in the air without him.I wonder what stacheless Stalin looks like.If only Stalin 'Stache counts, like this:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Graknorke on March 09, 2015, 04:35:55 pm
You know, I was expecting that to be a photoshop of Stalin's moistache, just floating in the air without him.You are not alone.
Post by: NullForceOmega on March 09, 2015, 04:36:07 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 09, 2015, 04:36:40 pm
I still cant get into cataclysm, mostly because I find the early game (the only part of the game I am able to play) to be impossible to survive, even following guides.What I found out that works: Pick SWAT officer for starting profession. Self-defense class for Krav Maga. If you can min-max hard enough to get quick and maybe psychopath, you can get in one or two hits and back away a tile before the zombie in question can hit you. If you see a shocker or any kind of brute, take your pistol or smg and kill them with it. Make sure to place the pistol in the shoulder hoster, and the smg in the strap to save space. I usually drop the flashbang outright as well to save on space.
Run and hit mobs over broken windows, they say. Still get my face eaten the next turn. (And no, these arnt special mobs either)
Holy crap ninjas.
Post by: i2amroy on March 09, 2015, 04:40:30 pm
Run and hit mobs over broken windows, they say. Still get my face eaten the next turn. (And no, these arnt special mobs either)Are you trying to kill them all at once? Ideally this is my idiot-proof strategy:
1) Get close enough until only 1, maybe two zombies notice you.
2) Retreat to some bushes.
3) Get zombie to step on bush, hit it exactly 1 time.
4) Retreat to another bush.
5) Repeat steps 3-4 until zombies are dead.
6) Butcher zombie corpses.
7) Repeat steps 1-6 until all zombies in the area are dead.
8) Loot!
Only things it doesn't work on are dogs and a few other special zombies that are faster than you or have ranged attacks. Other than that you can feel free to continue the loop until you've totally cleared out an area. Ideally once you get a shovel you can replace the bushes with deep pits, since those let you get in like 2 hits each time and do a little damage themselves.
Post by: Rince Wind on March 09, 2015, 04:47:55 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 09, 2015, 04:49:09 pm
Also they can see you at night, the heat becomes bothersome, and smoke. But Fire is definitely a perfered way to deal with zoms overall.
Post by: Teneb on March 09, 2015, 05:02:48 pm
Do zombies still occassionally drop things that violently explode in fire?If you are playing with hordes on, starting massive fires can be the only way to survive, from what I've seen.
Also they can see you at night, the heat becomes bothersome, and smoke. But Fire is definitely a perfered way to deal with zoms overall.
EDIT: I think I got lucky in this 0.C run. Got a large tent, which I am using as a safe house at the edge of a town. Got a sleeping bag, rollmat, down-filled blanket. My clothes could be in better shape, but for having started as a hitchhiker, I really can't complain.
Post by: i2amroy on March 09, 2015, 05:38:26 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 09, 2015, 05:41:20 pm
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Post by: Cheedows on March 09, 2015, 06:42:17 pm
Post by: i2amroy on March 09, 2015, 06:50:17 pm
Just wondering, was the sew pockets option for tailor kits removed for 0.C? I do not seem to be getting the option.Yeah, it wasn't really making sense under the current ENC system. Plans for post-0.C include increasing the resolution of the ENC system which should allow for it to be added back in pretty easily.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 09, 2015, 08:47:32 pm
Out of curiosity, what was his stats?
I made him a krav maga artist with the groom profession as I usually do. I didn't put much though into this.
I'm not sure if a martial artist Hitler is awesome or terrifying.
Post by: Arcvasti on March 09, 2015, 11:17:42 pm
EDIT: Update on mooses: They'll often aggro a cat or similar and waste time prancing around trying to hit something tiny. I poked one to death with my cudgel and very little Melee skill, so they're not as powerful as I remember them being.
Post by: Cheedows on March 09, 2015, 11:28:33 pm
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Post by: Robsoie on March 09, 2015, 11:39:12 pm
Fortunately i managed to run away and very likely lose the horde in the forest i circled , so in the end i went back in a less populated part of the town and started cleaning the area with my usp handgun
i noticed a "kreck" that was going along the outskirt, that apparently is a fat red twisted humanoid the size of a dog, he was running after a squirrel instead of rushing toward me, what a change :D
I tried to save the squirrel and shot down that "kreck"
Then resumed cleaning a bit the house surrounding, i'm now near out of bullets and heard noise when i gave a quick look on that house basement, i'll have to check if i can find some good melee weapon on the next house.
Post by: Arcvasti on March 09, 2015, 11:41:44 pm
Oh, how does fencing improve cudgel damage?
It allows a few extra maneuvers with it with extra[+6?] damage, lets you feint and, according to the tooltip, moving a space will give you a stack that gives you +2 stab damage[Useless for cudgels] and +1 accuracy and you can accumulate either two or up to your Melee skill[They're both the same, ATM, so I can't tell] in stacks. Fencing looks really good for kiting, especially combined with bushes or a parkour artist and tables. An umbrella ought to work fairly well too, although it might take more time per swing. Once acid rain is back in, umbrella fencing could become fairly viable.
EDIT: More Fencing stack research: You lose all stacks if you stand still, apparently. Constantly moving is the name of the metagame.
Post by: pisskop on March 09, 2015, 11:44:41 pm
The difference a housecoat makes is astounding. Wont save you by itself, but I use surounded start and static npc, so I combine basement loot with deadzed loot and try to cheese until the npc dies.
I bum ammo/lighter off them, then trade the hitchhiker joke book for a whopping 1k.
I then risk-reward my way to the nearest house and go from there. Its then to find a gun and a car, mostly in that order. Shotguns, revolvers, and rifles for me, with a preference for trucks or quads.
But with such a high spawn rate (2.5, static no wanderers, modified spawn lists to include rare 30-50 spawns in orests and 10-20 on swamps and 1-3 underground) the only solution is to heavily fortify a mobile house or build a home. And clearing an area takes recklessness or skill or too much ammo.
My current character spent 16 hours trying to read a mechanics book. only got to 25% progress to lvl 1 because reviving/spawning. In the basement of same house, smokers made for a real slugfest when a pack spawned witg skeletons, ensuring shenanigans. I had to use fire, which only made the problem worse.
Post by: Arcvasti on March 09, 2015, 11:52:40 pm
I bum ammo/lighter off them, then trade the hitchhiker joke book for a whopping 1k.
They undercharged you.
Post by: Nuttycompa on March 10, 2015, 02:12:22 am
Later on I found a mansion with 3 libraly! so I swim in like 50 skill books, with no food or water, damn it game!
Related question : When I read my book it said "I can't see detail cleary so I take more time to read"
I read it indoor in daytime and my character has no nearsight trait.
Post by: gimlet on March 10, 2015, 03:09:15 am
Post by: Majestic7 on March 10, 2015, 03:39:07 am
I like this new version, tank drones are actually useful. I lured one to a city filled with zeds, resulting in many dead zeds and a burning clothing store. The drone is "heavily damaged", I guess it took damage from spitters or shockers. I plan to use it for target practice during night once I find a cheap rifle. I'm a krav maga robocop, take that.
Post by: BFEL on March 10, 2015, 06:45:06 am
Do I need to build a fireplace? Or could I use something else? I know about hotplates and such, but don't want to use up precious batteries. What's the most resource efficient way to accomplish this?
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2015, 06:56:40 am
Quick question, how do I set up a house (evac shelter in this case) to be able to have a fire burning inside for crafting without burning everything down/filling entire place with smoke/asphyxiating myself? [...]Braziers are your most readily available buddy if you have the associated building on your map. Otherwise, utilize construction skills to craft an indoors fireplace (as far as I know).
I usually do my fire-cooking outside, or on a custom-solar vehicle with tons of storage batteries. ._. Sorry about that.
Post by: teoleo on March 10, 2015, 07:09:56 am
is normal to have two or three horde flashing on the map??
Post by: pisskop on March 10, 2015, 07:28:15 am
Post by: Rince Wind on March 10, 2015, 07:48:45 am
Quick question, how do I set up a house (evac shelter in this case) to be able to have a fire burning inside for crafting without burning everything down/filling entire place with smoke/asphyxiating myself?
Do I need to build a fireplace? Or could I use something else? I know about hotplates and such, but don't want to use up precious batteries. What's the most resource efficient way to accomplish this?
Brazier can be made out of sheet metal with a rock, but it might need minimal construction skills. It also won't contain the smoke.
You can build a stone fire place out of 40 rocks with I think a (stone-)hammer and a (stone-)shovel.
Post by: teoleo on March 10, 2015, 08:05:45 am
Post by: Zireael on March 10, 2015, 09:00:35 am
how work the electical car, how recharge it?
Spend lots of time around it and hope for some sun while you do. Also, the battery can't be damaged.
Post by: pisskop on March 10, 2015, 09:04:06 am
Post by: scrdest on March 10, 2015, 09:20:08 am
Yep, it's the one I use most of the time, since rocks are dime a dozen; if you don't want/can get rocks, but have a garage nearby or another source for a metal tank, you can build a wood stove instead, but it's mostly a variant.Quick question, how do I set up a house (evac shelter in this case) to be able to have a fire burning inside for crafting without burning everything down/filling entire place with smoke/asphyxiating myself?
Do I need to build a fireplace? Or could I use something else? I know about hotplates and such, but don't want to use up precious batteries. What's the most resource efficient way to accomplish this?
Brazier can be made out of sheet metal with a rock, but it might need minimal construction skills. It also won't contain the smoke.
You can build a stone fire place out of 40 rocks with I think a (stone-)hammer and a (stone-)shovel.
Post by: BFEL on March 10, 2015, 10:08:00 am
I remember I tried a brazier once and ended up smoking up the shelter, so wanted to be sure that wouldn't happen this time.
Does the fireplace also make light? Or will I have to be silly and put it next to my computer terminal? :P
Also, what do I need to make the stone shovel? Digging is the thing I don't have right now :P
Post by: BigD145 on March 10, 2015, 10:30:34 am
Post by: Twiggie on March 10, 2015, 10:33:51 am
Post by: BFEL on March 10, 2015, 10:35:11 am
Reason I'm doing this is its been raining near constantly since the game started, making it hard to cook stuff efficiently (light fire, cook one meat, light fire again)
Post by: BigD145 on March 10, 2015, 10:53:41 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 10, 2015, 11:09:46 am
Thanks for your answers guys!
I remember I tried a brazier once and ended up smoking up the shelter, so wanted to be sure that wouldn't happen this time.
Does the fireplace also make light? Or will I have to be silly and put it next to my computer terminal? :P
Also, what do I need to make the stone shovel? Digging is the thing I don't have right now :P
If there is a fast food restaurant nearby you could also grab their wood stove. Church also usually have braziers.
And yes they should make light.
Post by: Aavak on March 10, 2015, 11:17:58 am
Last time I updated in the middle of a series, the basement I was in became a tomb, as all the stairs turned to windows xD
Post by: pisskop on March 10, 2015, 11:19:00 am
Post by: BigD145 on March 10, 2015, 11:21:18 am
Cata makes thing so easy. You just download the latest build and copy on top of an existing ongoing game. Overwrite everything and start up the game. DONE.
Post by: Aavak on March 10, 2015, 11:24:32 am
I was fairly confident from what people have said, that they would be save compatible, but for the sake of waiting to get an answer first, it seemed silly to risk a good character and a 30-odd episode LP on rushing in and updating out of excitement xD
Cheers for the help all :D
Post by: i2amroy on March 10, 2015, 11:35:45 am
out 0.c stable? the site don't report it in the news....We're having some problems with that, check the announcements board on the forum to get the download links.
Post by: Rince Wind on March 10, 2015, 12:12:41 pm
Thanks for your answers guys!
I remember I tried a brazier once and ended up smoking up the shelter, so wanted to be sure that wouldn't happen this time.
Does the fireplace also make light? Or will I have to be silly and put it next to my computer terminal? :P
Also, what do I need to make the stone shovel? Digging is the thing I don't have right now :P
I think you need 2 rocks (one as a hammering tool), a 2x4 or a heavy stick, and some thread/sinews or something like that.
Post by: BFEL on March 10, 2015, 12:52:52 pm
So I'm at 7 construction (started with it that high), 5 tailoring, 3 mechanics, plus rifles and marksman are both about to level to 3. I'm doing very well in this playthrough :3
What level do you get the survivor recipes? I'm currently in about 12 layers of reinforced...everything and am waiting for those to become available before I start paring it down to something reasonable. I have 17 torso encumbrance, PLEASE HALP :P
Post by: Fniff on March 10, 2015, 01:07:48 pm
In response, I decided that if you were going to clone Hitler, then you should do it right.Out of curiosity, what was his stats?I made him a krav maga artist with the groom profession as I usually do. I didn't put much thought into this.
Gentleman... BEHOLD!
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Post by: Sindain on March 10, 2015, 01:19:47 pm
Well thanks to you guys help I now have a smexy fireplace where that broken console was in the shelter. MUCH BROTH ENSUED.
So I'm at 7 construction (started with it that high), 5 tailoring, 3 mechanics, plus rifles and marksman are both about to level to 3. I'm doing very well in this playthrough :3
What level do you get the survivor recipes? I'm currently in about 12 layers of reinforced...everything and am waiting for those to become available before I start paring it down to something reasonable. I have 17 torso encumbrance, PLEASE HALP :P
Survivor stuff you need 6-8 in tailoring and/or fabrication.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 10, 2015, 01:46:08 pm
From the Hitler clone discussion:In response, I decided that if you were going to clone Hitler, then you should do it right.Out of curiosity, what was his stats?I made him a krav maga artist with the groom profession as I usually do. I didn't put much thought into this.
Gentleman... BEHOLD!Spoiler (click to show/hide)Hope you guys enjoy, it's my first mod.Spoiler: The JSON (click to show/hide)
Gonna try it as soon as I have spare time, which is probably not today. I'll try to make him a superior being with the alpha branch. :P
Post by: Descan on March 10, 2015, 01:49:17 pm
Utterly fantastic news :)Backups are your friend, friend.
I was fairly confident from what people have said, that they would be save compatible, but for the sake of waiting to get an answer first, it seemed silly to risk a good character and a 30-odd episode LP on rushing in and updating out of excitement xD
Cheers for the help all :D
Post by: n9103 on March 10, 2015, 01:59:35 pm
Well thanks to you guys help I now have a smexy fireplace where that broken console was in the shelter. MUCH BROTH ENSUED.Read as Bro-th or Bro-eth on first read. I regret nothing.
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What level do you get the survivor recipes? I'm currently in about 12 layers of reinforced...everything and am waiting for those to become available before I start paring it down to something reasonable. I have 17 torso encumbrance, PLEASE HALP :PMy (and most anyone else's) secret to leveling tailoring: Reinforce zombie drops before cutting up and using to craft more things to reinforce and cut up.
Post by: scrdest on March 10, 2015, 02:11:14 pm
From the Hitler clone discussion:Only now did I notice: Hitler. A Krav Maga artist. The ironing, so delicious.Out of curiosity, what was his stats?I made him a krav maga artist with the groom profession as I usually do. I didn't put much thought into this.
Post by: BFEL on March 10, 2015, 02:35:13 pm
My (and most anyone else's) secret to leveling tailoring: Reinforce zombie drops before cutting up and using to craft more things to reinforce and cut up.What I've been doing :P
Just wondering when I can make the survivor stuff and get serious with it :P
Post by: pisskop on March 10, 2015, 02:56:15 pm
jerkhole. :P
Post by: n9103 on March 10, 2015, 02:57:21 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 10, 2015, 03:53:26 pm
It would be also great to give random npcs a (probably low) chance to be mutants. And while we're at it, why not a mutant faction?
Post by: Bitoru on March 10, 2015, 04:29:05 pm
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Post by: BFEL on March 10, 2015, 08:24:09 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 10, 2015, 08:42:56 pm
Usually games make those too easy to raise or raise too quickly. I think that maybe if they implemented it over long term ( >14 days), and severely limited the gain potential then maybe. You can always buff things via taking care of yourself and drugs.
Without a default faction tag, my wandering zoms defaulted to their species faction 'Mammal'. They fought with the regular zeds, humoriously.
Post by: Blaze on March 10, 2015, 08:58:39 pm
I personally have no problems with it if they put limits to potential.
Post by: azmodean on March 10, 2015, 09:34:29 pm
Post by: Nuttycompa on March 10, 2015, 09:41:05 pm
Now I don't fear the swamp anymore cause the giant mosquito and giant toad are too busy with each other.
Last night I go to mall for the first time, like the opening of dawn of the dead, 30 zed are waiting for me at the entrance and all running toward me. :o
There is a large swarm nearby so may be there will be something that can take care of them for me.
Nope!, for 3-4 in game hour they just roll over every living they saw like a gree tsunami :D
But then I find one hero wasp who take all those 20 or so zed down and save my life, he don't even notice me when he is done. (Why senpai :'()
Note to self : Giant waps don't give a f**k
Post by: WillowLuman on March 10, 2015, 10:02:18 pm
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Post by: Aseaheru on March 10, 2015, 11:03:18 pm
Lets hope someone watches this one...
Post by: blazing glory on March 10, 2015, 11:06:55 pm
Well, time to try doing a series on this again.Never.
[color=transparent Lets hope someone watches this one...[/color]
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 10, 2015, 11:09:12 pm
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Post by: Majestic7 on March 11, 2015, 02:24:32 am
So when do we get robots? I'd like to get a robotic mule to carry my loot.
Post by: blazing glory on March 11, 2015, 02:27:57 am
So am I the only one who still doesn't use any vehicles?Yes.
Having a base for longer then 5 days is for wimps.
Unless it's summer, in that case you are entirely justified in stocking up on books and remain shut inside until the season is over.
Post by: Majestic7 on March 11, 2015, 02:32:49 am
1) Get a bunch of zombies, hack off their arms and detooth them.
2) Build a sled, bonus points for spikes and a MG turret.
3) Chain the zeds to the sled.
4) Use zed pheromone at the end of fishing pole to guide the zeds.
5) MUSH! (Or is it BRAINS! in this context?)
1a) Alternative with slave circuit CBMs forcibly installed into NPCs, making them your docile slaves. (New use for cloning chambers, using them to cook you slaves with sufficient enough skills.) If you are a cannibal, you can eat them when they die from exhaustion! Win-win!
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 11, 2015, 03:18:01 am
What skills do I need to make one of those spear everyone was talking about earlier (Forked spear? Can't remember the name. It was supposed to be better that the knife spear.)Don't be ridiculous. Nothing is better than the KNIFE SPEAR.
Post by: Akura on March 11, 2015, 07:42:47 am
Mostly because I'm really curious as of what mutation the arsonist in the refugee center has.
Probably elf ears.
Post by: Nuttycompa on March 11, 2015, 08:13:07 am
Pff, vehicles is for pussy. Real man travel on foot with a hobo stick by his side.So am I the only one who still doesn't use any vehicles?Yes.
Having a base for longer then 5 days is for wimps.
Unless it's summer, in that case you are entirely justified in stocking up on books and remain shut inside until the season is over.
Seriously, with out vehicle you are forced to manage your inventory, making a hard decision (and regret later :'(), worry about finding place to rest and face every challenge you met on the road.
I would reccomend a hobo life style to all my friend :P
Post by: teoleo on March 11, 2015, 09:17:33 am
Post by: BFEL on March 11, 2015, 10:01:32 am
Post by: n9103 on March 11, 2015, 10:21:57 am
But yea, the median survival time has to be in the double digit hours. Sure there are year-long plays, but there are hundreds of near instant deaths from improbable starts.
Post by: Rince Wind on March 11, 2015, 10:46:37 am
Edit: Found a bug I think. I respawned in the same location and the NPC thought I was the previous character and asked, if I had finished his mission.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 11, 2015, 11:01:00 am
Edit: Found a bug I think. I respawned in the same location and the NPC thought I was the previous character and asked, if I had finished his mission.
Same thing happened to me many times.
Post by: Akura on March 11, 2015, 12:48:04 pm
add some sound please :O)
Sound is technically already possible. There used to be background music, but it seems to have been taken out at some point. I still have it, and just copy them over with the playlist .json every time I update. Even threw the Hellgondo theme music from MGQ into the playlist because it sounds pretty apocalyptic on it's own.
Given that a sound engine exists, it probably shouldn't be too hard to attatch sounds to events.
Post by: BigD145 on March 11, 2015, 01:02:52 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 11, 2015, 01:19:45 pm
add some sound please :O)
Sound is technically already possible. There used to be background music, but it seems to have been taken out at some point. I still have it, and just copy them over with the playlist .json every time I update. Even threw the Hellgondo theme music from MGQ into the playlist because it sounds pretty apocalyptic on it's own.
Given that a sound engine exists, it probably shouldn't be too hard to attatch sounds to events.
I don't suppose that song is still available? I'm kinda curious about it.
Anyways, while we are on the topic of music, what songs do you guys/gals put on while playing?
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 11, 2015, 01:21:16 pm
Anyways, while we are on the topic of music, what songs do you guys/gals put on while playing?
Why, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC6A1ClltPw
Post by: pisskop on March 11, 2015, 01:40:04 pm
Post by: Sindain on March 11, 2015, 02:16:09 pm
How viable is it to grab a military transport? I took a jug of diesel, and one is in the road. Is dielsel hard to get, or more efficient, or w.e.?
Diesel is in much shorter supply than gas. There is generally only one diesel pump per gas station and there are obviously less things to siphon from for it. I'm not sure about efficiency as I've never bothered with diesel. You're probably better off just slapping a gas engine on it.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 11, 2015, 02:44:59 pm
Post by: beorn080 on March 11, 2015, 02:52:44 pm
I wonder if anyone bothered to add in the ability to use veggie oil in a diesel engine for fuel.You can actually turn corpses into Biodiesel. I recall a picture on Imgur that was basically five barges welded together, and powered by biodiesel. One of the barges was for the decomposition of corpses into the fuel.
Edit: Does the Monomolecular blade bionic count for fencing?
Post by: RedKing on March 11, 2015, 03:13:16 pm
.....that is unbelievably hardcore and awesome. Doubly so if the barges have a way to mow down zombies, scoop them up and transport them to the decomposition chamber in an automated fashion.I wonder if anyone bothered to add in the ability to use veggie oil in a diesel engine for fuel.You can actually turn corpses into Biodiesel. I recall a picture on Imgur that was basically five barges welded together, and powered by biodiesel. One of the barges was for the decomposition of corpses into the fuel.
Post by: Blaze on March 11, 2015, 03:27:57 pm
The Monomolecular Blade CBM does not count for fencing.
Post by: beorn080 on March 11, 2015, 03:39:21 pm
I believe the idea was you parked it at a dock, banged on some pots, the zombies shamble onto the boat, with you on an inaccessible catwalk above them, then they just kinda followed you to the pit where popped em in the head with a long stick and added lye......that is unbelievably hardcore and awesome. Doubly so if the barges have a way to mow down zombies, scoop them up and transport them to the decomposition chamber in an automated fashion.I wonder if anyone bothered to add in the ability to use veggie oil in a diesel engine for fuel.You can actually turn corpses into Biodiesel. I recall a picture on Imgur that was basically five barges welded together, and powered by biodiesel. One of the barges was for the decomposition of corpses into the fuel.
Post by: Darkmere on March 11, 2015, 04:13:08 pm
Also yeah, the game doesn't need sound. I can always fire up a youtube playlist.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 11, 2015, 04:57:45 pm
Anyways, while we are on the topic of music, what songs do you guys/gals put on while playing?
Why, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC6A1ClltPw
I like it. Might even use it myself.
Post by: Darkmere on March 12, 2015, 02:31:45 am
Post by: i2amroy on March 12, 2015, 03:14:13 am
So... are zombies just faster than everyone now by default? I can't outrun them with a fresh character and bush abuse anymore...Shouldn't be. Are you wearing shoes? Are you sure that you aren't encumbered in some other way?
Post by: teoleo on March 12, 2015, 06:38:51 am
Post by: pisskop on March 12, 2015, 06:53:40 am
You can select from a menu to either view the car overview, view the items in the car on the selected tile, or view items on the ground on that tile.
Post by: Akura on March 12, 2015, 07:38:17 am
Also, how do I get limestone for quicklime/cement?
Post by: pisskop on March 12, 2015, 07:58:18 am
Bug: I imported my save to a fresh experimental, but the NPCs in a refugee center that is fairly far away, but close enough to be revealed with the "Reveal map" debug option, have all disappeared.I find it lying around :) houses, and think Ive seen it drop from zoms. Its not a 'common' item, in either case.
Also, how do I get limestone for quicklime/cement?
But a gardening center, home improvement store would be a decenrt start.
How do I cure raw fur pelts so I can craft withem?
Post by: Akura on March 12, 2015, 08:03:22 am
Post by: Darkmere on March 12, 2015, 09:58:52 am
So... are zombies just faster than everyone now by default? I can't outrun them with a fresh character and bush abuse anymore...Shouldn't be. Are you wearing shoes? Are you sure that you aren't encumbered in some other way?
Didn't realize Hitchhikers don't start with shoes. Seems like that was it.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on March 12, 2015, 11:25:58 am
Bug: I imported my save to a fresh experimental, but the NPCs in a refugee center that is fairly far away, but close enough to be revealed with the "Reveal map" debug option, have all disappeared.You can sometimes find limestone shards inside a mine's storage building, I believe.
Also, how do I get limestone for quicklime/cement?
Post by: Blaze on March 12, 2015, 11:32:23 am
Post by: pisskop on March 12, 2015, 12:51:01 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on March 12, 2015, 12:56:39 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 12, 2015, 01:00:48 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on March 12, 2015, 01:06:26 pm
Post by: i2amroy on March 12, 2015, 01:13:46 pm
Didn't realize Hitchhikers don't start with shoes. Seems like that was it.That, on the other hand, is probably a bug. :P I'll report that one if it hasn't been fixed yet in the experimental. Do note that our Hitchhikers are "the Hitchhikers Guid to the Galaxy" type of Hitchhikers, though, so they probably won't get any sort of fancy shoes.
Post by: Darkmere on March 12, 2015, 01:24:50 pm
Didn't realize Hitchhikers don't start with shoes. Seems like that was it.That, on the other hand, is probably a bug. :P I'll report that one if it hasn't been fixed yet in the experimental. Do note that our Hitchhikers are "the Hitchhikers Guid to the Galaxy" type of Hitchhikers, though, so they probably won't get any sort of fancy shoes.
Indeed! I noticed the bathrobe, towel and book once I was in-game. I just missed the reference and it didn't even occur to me that a non-shower-victim wouldn't have at least sneakers. It's been... interestingly fatal... trying a hitchhiker/burning house start barefoot.
Post by: n9103 on March 12, 2015, 02:02:13 pm
It is still amusing to me that 'Shotuguns: The art and science' and 'The homebrewer's bible' can be found in the school library.I would be absolutely shocked if any library system (so not every library in a county/etc, but at least one of them) didn't have at least a few books about home-brewing, or about reloading. Well, maybe in some parts of Utah they wouldn't... but other than that, both subjects are a part of American heritage.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 12, 2015, 02:02:50 pm
It is still amusing to me that 'Shotuguns: The art and science' and 'The homebrewer's bible' can be found in the school library.
I found 'To Serve Man' in a school library once, the one that teach you how to cook human flesh.
Post by: Baffler on March 12, 2015, 03:36:13 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on March 12, 2015, 03:45:08 pm
Post by: Sheb on March 12, 2015, 03:47:06 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 12, 2015, 03:49:05 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 12, 2015, 03:55:02 pm
Post by: Baffler on March 12, 2015, 04:03:46 pm
Post by: hops on March 12, 2015, 04:37:56 pm
Cloning Hitler fuhr medical researchFTFY
Post by: Twiggie on March 12, 2015, 06:40:13 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 12, 2015, 06:41:58 pm
Why are skeleton dogs so dodgy :(
They are lighter/ faster than their living counterparts? You're aiming for less mass.
Post by: hops on March 12, 2015, 07:03:17 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 12, 2015, 07:19:09 pm
Why are skeleton dogs so doggy?:P Exactly what I thought.
I can't seem to get the tile studio to do what I want. I'm trying to make it so the game will use the same texture for multiple objects but each time I save everything gets reverted back X(
Edit: And Hitler died to a giant wasp. Is there any reason why my forked spear kept being damaged? And how am I supposed to repair it?
Post by: Blaze on March 12, 2015, 07:29:09 pm
It's wood and steel, so either a toolbox/basic repair kit and duct tape or a soldering iron and scrap.
Post by: Cheedows on March 12, 2015, 07:30:30 pm
Post by: Akura on March 13, 2015, 07:42:11 am
Bug: I imported my save to a fresh experimental, but the NPCs in a refugee center that is fairly far away, but close enough to be revealed with the "Reveal map" debug option, have all disappeared.
Addenum: Created a new world, found a new refugee center, still nobody there.
Post by: Ant on March 13, 2015, 07:52:08 am
Post by: scrdest on March 13, 2015, 07:54:59 am
Might the Z-level buildings interfere with the Lab survivor scenario? I spawned in a clearing and almost got mauled by a black bear, instead of being locked down in a lab.They hadn't, before.
Post by: ejseto on March 13, 2015, 08:07:10 am
Might the Z-level buildings interfere with the Lab survivor scenario? I spawned in a clearing and almost got mauled by a black bear, instead of being locked down in a lab.
Map generation occurs first, then it tries to place you in your starting location. If there is no such location on the map, you just get dumped in the wilderness. It can happen frequently if your map generation parameters aren't balanced (size 16 cities don't leave a lot of room for wilderness and so on) or you could just be unlucky.
Addenum: Created a new world, found a new refugee center, still nobody there.
You need to have static NPCs on.
Post by: teoleo on March 13, 2015, 09:37:06 am
Post by: Rince Wind on March 13, 2015, 09:41:04 am
Post by: Silicoid on March 13, 2015, 12:43:18 pm
I wonder if anyone bothered to add in the ability to use veggie oil in a diesel engine for fuel.When you make gasoline you get 200 diesel and 200 lamp oil as a byproduct.
Post by: Akura on March 13, 2015, 02:51:54 pm
Addenum: Created a new world, found a new refugee center, still nobody there.
You need to have static NPCs on.
I did. In fact, I had all NPCs off on the last world which had the refugee NPCs in the previous version. Refugee centers do not use the NPC settings, as far as I know.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 13, 2015, 03:43:29 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 13, 2015, 08:42:57 pm
No reloading? Easy for a newb to use? A+
Post by: Micro102 on March 14, 2015, 02:55:20 am
Post by: teoleo on March 14, 2015, 05:37:06 am
approach house, sneak inside, scavenge and burn the house, wait and burn zombie around...
go to next house......
Post by: teoleo on March 14, 2015, 05:47:57 am
select it in the inventory, then nload und don't select another bottle, just hit ok.
mmm...don't work
Post by: Zireael on March 14, 2015, 07:31:08 am
Post by: pisskop on March 14, 2015, 07:32:35 am
('item hotkey')
(U)nload
('escape')
('direction')
its worth noting that its permanent (liquids cant be picked up, much to my chagrin with leaking gas), and fire catalysts/retardants will function as intended.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 14, 2015, 08:21:55 am
Post by: pisskop on March 14, 2015, 09:30:10 am
Was an accident! I swears it!
Post by: Akura on March 14, 2015, 10:18:29 am
I'll try downloading a newer experimental and trying that.
So I started a forest fire . . . And because its the first night still I have no clue what's around :|
Was an accident! I swears it!
Good news! Smokey is a zombear now!
@pisskop, Zireael: That guy has posted MANY times asking how to dump out containers.
Post by: IronTomato on March 14, 2015, 01:29:38 pm
Post by: n9103 on March 14, 2015, 01:38:17 pm
Post by: Firetrout on March 14, 2015, 01:47:20 pm
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on March 14, 2015, 01:48:49 pm
Post by: jocan2003 on March 14, 2015, 02:13:08 pm
@pisskop, Zireael: That guy has posted MANY times asking how to dump out containers.In fact he had numerous answer to his question but after checking his post log he didnt ask numerous time.
Post by: beorn080 on March 14, 2015, 03:06:33 pm
Smoker zombears. That's scary.So I started a forest fire . . . And because its the first night still I have no clue what's around :|
Was an accident! I swears it!
Good news! Smokey is a zombear now!
@pisskop, Zireael: That guy has posted MANY times asking how to dump out containers.
Post by: Teneb on March 14, 2015, 03:19:46 pm
This needs to be added to the game.Smoker zombears. That's scary.So I started a forest fire . . . And because its the first night still I have no clue what's around :|
Was an accident! I swears it!
Good news! Smokey is a zombear now!
@pisskop, Zireael: That guy has posted MANY times asking how to dump out containers.
Post by: pisskop on March 14, 2015, 05:45:12 pm
type" : "MONSTER",
"id" : "mon_smokezombear",
"name": "smoking zombear",
"species":"ZOMBIE",
"default_faction":"zombie",
"symbol":"B",
"color":"green",
"size":"LARGE",
"material":"flesh",
"diff":12,
"aggression":50,
"morale":100,
"speed":120,
"melee_skill":6,
"melee_dice":4,
"melee_dice_sides":6,
"melee_cut":6,
"dodge":2,
"armor_bash":2,
"armor_cut":2,
"vision_day":30,
"vision_night":5,
"luminance":0,
"hp":180,
"death_function":"SMOKEBURST",
"special_attacks":[["SMOKECLOUD", 3]],
"description":"a large smoking blackbear. Smoke pours from gashes on it hide, silhouetting it.",
"flags":["SEES", "HEARS", "SMELLS", "STUMBLES", "WARM", "BASHES", "POISON", "NO_BREATHE", "REVIVES", "FUR", "BONES", "FAT"],
"anger_triggers":["PLAYER_CLOSE", "HURT"]
},
Post by: Micro102 on March 14, 2015, 09:18:25 pm
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on March 14, 2015, 09:20:47 pm
I just started a new game on the newest version. I choose the really bad day setting and it seems that my infections has just disappeared. Is this a thing now? Infections can go away by themselves?
Yes, sometimes you can recover from infection without treatment. The overall state of your health affects the chances.
Post by: BFEL on March 14, 2015, 11:15:37 pm
Post by: teoleo on March 15, 2015, 05:37:42 am
Post by: BFEL on March 15, 2015, 07:06:17 am
1. What measures the fire protection of clothes? Is it just the "Environmental Protection" stat or do things like turnout coats and other nomex stuff have some special modifier?
2. Do troglobites actually have the ability to dig vast underground lairs now? Can you do the same with digging tools? Or is horizontal digging not in yet (I couldn't find it so I don't know)
Post by: Sindain on March 15, 2015, 07:21:15 am
Few questions:
1. What measures the fire protection of clothes? Is it just the "Environmental Protection" stat or do things like turnout coats and other nomex stuff have some special modifier?
2. Do troglobites actually have the ability to dig vast underground lairs now? Can you do the same with digging tools? Or is horizontal digging not in yet (I couldn't find it so I don't know)
1. It appears to have a seperate fire resistance stat. You can see it in the item browser.
2. You could do horizontal digging with jackhammers for a very long time now. (Though yah, I don't think troglobites get any specific abilities to help with this).
Post by: Gamerlord on March 15, 2015, 07:57:20 am
Post by: BFEL on March 15, 2015, 08:12:22 am
3. What's a good way to get mechanics from 3 to 4? Need another level to start reading the Internal Combustion book but removing parts doesn't seem to be leveling it anymore :(
Post by: scrdest on March 15, 2015, 08:13:26 am
Have there been any more updates since 0.C?Aside from Experimentals?
Post by: pisskop on March 15, 2015, 08:15:31 am
Forgot a question:
3. What's a good way to get mechanics from 3 to 4? Need another level to start reading the Internal Combustion book but removing parts doesn't seem to be leveling it anymore :(
Actually soldering items or repairing carparts seems to do fine.
Post by: BFEL on March 15, 2015, 08:18:30 am
Yeah, turns out the not leveling only seems to apply to the broken grey parts, just leveled :)Forgot a question:
3. What's a good way to get mechanics from 3 to 4? Need another level to start reading the Internal Combustion book but removing parts doesn't seem to be leveling it anymore :(
Actually soldering items or repairing carparts seems to do fine.
Well that or it works for alternators/engines and such...
Post by: Akura on March 15, 2015, 10:43:38 am
Spent a hard night in the basement of my starting shelter waiting for a massive horde to migrate past. I lit a fire down there, and got down to |\ torso health from the smoke. Ran out of food and drink(lucky I found any down there at all), headed to a nearby river to try and at least fill my canteen. Got hungry, so I headed to a nearby apartment building. Killed some zombies in the two northeast apartments, but got an infection on my torso(which was still hurt since I couldn't sleep). Managed to scarf down some cotton balls to heal enough to cauterize, and spent the night in the apartment.
The next day, I started to deal with the rest of the zombies in the building. By the time I cleared the the SW corner, I had infections in my torso and both legs. By the time I finished cauterizing, I had nearly 150 pain. I spent the rest of the day in bed getting drunk.
Post by: Descan on March 15, 2015, 02:58:34 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 15, 2015, 05:31:44 pm
. I dont like settling within that 15 tile grace reveal, or else Id consider making the mansion a home.
So far,. I found a wood axe, crafted a stone knife, and have been lighting paper bags on fire when zoms come by. And then dumping toilet water on the resulting fire. Will fire spread without fuel inside?
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on March 15, 2015, 05:49:42 pm
Will fire spread without fuel inside?
Inside a building? Depends on the material the floor is made from, but most of the time yes, it will spread quite rapidly.
Post by: Descan on March 15, 2015, 06:30:45 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on March 15, 2015, 06:35:32 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on March 15, 2015, 06:39:27 pm
Same with bone needles, which you get from... actually, I think anyone can make one of those.
Survival 1.
Post by: pisskop on March 15, 2015, 08:05:33 pm
Soo . . . Weapons. When they list severl types of damage is that in conjunction or seperatate? Wood axe say 17cut and 10 bash. 27 total?
Post by: Sindain on March 15, 2015, 08:08:15 pm
Cool! I have never done a rural character that hadnt established himself city raiding first.
Soo . . . Weapons. When they list severl types of damage is that in conjunction or seperatate? Wood axe say 17cut and 10 bash. 27 total?
In conjunction. Do note that they will also use all the associated skills at the same time.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 15, 2015, 08:31:39 pm
Survival 1.Could have sworn I made one within seconds of starting a game without skills, but allright.
Post by: n9103 on March 15, 2015, 09:05:25 pm
You probably did a bit of corpse butchering before you got that bone I would guess.
Post by: Leatra on March 16, 2015, 08:25:34 am
Post by: BigD145 on March 16, 2015, 08:34:04 am
Quick question: how do I place items in a minifridge? Minifridge tile is not passable so I can't get on top of it and drop food there.
"Shift D" and then point in the direction of the fridge. This is how you 'D'rop things not on your own tile. You can also use ' / ' to open the inventory management screen.
Post by: gimlet on March 16, 2015, 08:38:49 am
(D)rop then direction to put stuff into a tile
/ will bring up the advanced inventory menu that lets you get/put stuff to/from any of the adjacent tiles + the one you're standing in
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 16, 2015, 10:32:53 am
(If someone knows which game I'm talking about I'd be grateful if they stated the name, btw)
Anyhow, I've decided to replicate a Cataclysm-DDA version of that scenario, using a modded heavily cybered character as a basis. Something, something, awoke in his cryosleep chamber in a LMOE shelter, with barely anything but his augmentations to fall back to at the beginning...
Post by: Graknorke on March 16, 2015, 12:44:00 pm
barely anything but his augmentations to fall back to at the beginning...JENSEN TYPHOON GO!
Post by: teoleo on March 16, 2015, 01:47:58 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 16, 2015, 02:04:30 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: pisskop on March 16, 2015, 02:12:28 pm
Meh? You don't. Its a snack. You open the box and eat them like potatoe chips. In fact, they were the first potatoe chips.For some reason I thought this was a GD thread.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
To cook pastas, I think you need a pot, 'water', and a fire.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 16, 2015, 02:13:12 pm
-Dang ninja-
Post by: Descan on March 16, 2015, 02:16:12 pm
Post by: Angle on March 16, 2015, 02:20:00 pm
Post by: Nick K on March 16, 2015, 02:20:26 pm
You know, I recall a while back a game project (which IIRC never came to fruition) that began as a diablo clone. Basically the main character was a (magically - it was a fantasy setting) enhaced ubermensch in the middle of a zombie apocalypse (the zombieness was related to the ubermenchism, in fact. Their whole civilization made extensive use of enhacements and some outside force had corrupted them, with the main character remaining immune).
(If someone knows which game I'm talking about I'd be grateful if they stated the name, btw)
I'm pretty sure this isn't the one you're talking about, but if you're interested in diablo-style zombie apocalypses then Soldak's upcoming game Zombasite might be one to look at: http://www.soldak.com/Zombasite/Overview.html
Post by: BigD145 on March 16, 2015, 02:24:31 pm
I have like 15 boxes of Raw Lasagne because I can't make lasagne :P
What does the crafting recipe say? If it's not in the crafting recipes then you aren't skilled enough.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 16, 2015, 02:34:57 pm
There are a set of recipes that you need books for.
Post by: n9103 on March 16, 2015, 02:47:37 pm
For some reason I thought this was a GD thread.Epic-level self-trolling right here. At least you caught it before anyone gave you the what for. ;)
To cook pastas, I think you need a pot, 'water', and a fire.
RE: Superhuman Zombie Apocalypse Roguelike
My google-fu is not strong enough to find any solid references to the game you're describing ChairmanPoo. Gave it a shot though. Perhaps someone else's is stronger?
Post by: Leatra on March 16, 2015, 03:20:21 pm
Quick question: how do I place items in a minifridge? Minifridge tile is not passable so I can't get on top of it and drop food there.
"Shift D" and then point in the direction of the fridge. This is how you 'D'rop things not on your own tile. You can also use ' / ' to open the inventory management screen.
Should have checked the keybindings. Thanks!
Post by: hops on March 16, 2015, 03:37:37 pm
Post by: Sheb on March 16, 2015, 03:40:56 pm
Smokey the Zombear should be a rare enemy that spawnaroundforest fires.
FTFY
Post by: hops on March 16, 2015, 03:44:56 pm
Post by: BFEL on March 16, 2015, 04:28:57 pm
I have like 15 boxes of Raw Lasagne because I can't make lasagne :PCuciano Italiano is needed. Had the same problem myself and ended up jut eating it raw before I found the book :P
Post by: Descan on March 16, 2015, 04:49:20 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on March 16, 2015, 04:57:22 pm
Post by: Descan on March 16, 2015, 05:21:17 pm
It wasn't in the recipes menu.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 16, 2015, 05:37:14 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 16, 2015, 05:38:13 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on March 16, 2015, 05:59:27 pm
However, crafting recipes from the book can also lead to you memorizing the recipes.
Post by: BigD145 on March 16, 2015, 06:07:06 pm
Post by: Descan on March 16, 2015, 06:26:11 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 16, 2015, 09:52:40 pm
Post by: beorn080 on March 17, 2015, 01:11:52 am
Post by: scrdest on March 17, 2015, 02:44:20 am
I just caught a smallmouth bass with a volume of 120 and a weight of 11.2 pounds. Given that a gallon jug is 15 volume, that would put the volume of the bass at about 8 gallons. That's a pretty hefty sized bass.I'd drop it quickly.
Better to cart it around than use up all that space.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 17, 2015, 03:03:16 am
I just caught a smallmouth bass with a volume of 120 and a weight of 11.2 pounds. Given that a gallon jug is 15 volume, that would put the volume of the bass at about 8 gallons. That's a pretty hefty sized bass.I don't know how big a gallon is so this doesn't sound impressive to me at all.
Post by: Majestic7 on March 17, 2015, 03:06:42 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 17, 2015, 03:14:06 am
Post by: Tnx on March 17, 2015, 03:19:53 am
Post by: Gentlefish on March 17, 2015, 04:00:18 am
I just caught a smallmouth bass with a volume of 120 and a weight of 11.2 pounds. Given that a gallon jug is 15 volume, that would put the volume of the bass at about 8 gallons. That's a pretty hefty sized bass.I don't know how big a gallon is so this doesn't sound impressive to me at all.
Four litres. That is a 32-litre fish.
Post by: blazing glory on March 17, 2015, 04:30:57 am
In other words.Four litres. That is a 32-litre fish.I just caught a smallmouth bass with a volume of 120 and a weight of 11.2 pounds. Given that a gallon jug is 15 volume, that would put the volume of the bass at about 8 gallons. That's a pretty hefty sized bass.I don't know how big a gallon is so this doesn't sound impressive to me at all.
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Some gallon jugs.
Post by: martinuzz on March 17, 2015, 05:21:22 am
And since you can safely estimate the average density of a fish' tissues to be just about the same as water (slightly heavier than it's biome's salty water, for the nitpicks amongst us), that'd be a 32+ kg fish.I just caught a smallmouth bass with a volume of 120 and a weight of 11.2 pounds. Given that a gallon jug is 15 volume, that would put the volume of the bass at about 8 gallons. That's a pretty hefty sized bass.I don't know how big a gallon is so this doesn't sound impressive to me at all.
Four litres. That is a 32-litre fish.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 17, 2015, 05:34:29 am
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In other words.You call your bottles jugs?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Some gallon jugs.
What do you call your jugs? Big cups? Carafes?
Post by: blazing glory on March 17, 2015, 06:13:21 am
You call your bottles jugs?In this part of New Zealand we do, at least for bottles twice as wide as typical bottles.
Post by: IronTomato on March 17, 2015, 06:56:18 am
Why are you fighting the zombies in such a way that they can even hit you enough to get an infection (Yes I know they can infect you on the first hit, but if that happens, you are INCREDIBLY unlucky and the game WANTS you to die)This happens to me all the time...
Post by: Akura on March 17, 2015, 07:59:26 am
Wield it for shenanigans.I just caught a smallmouth bass with a volume of 120 and a weight of 11.2 pounds. Given that a gallon jug is 15 volume, that would put the volume of the bass at about 8 gallons. That's a pretty hefty sized bass.I'd drop it quickly.
Better to cart it around than use up all that space.
Post by: Majestic7 on March 17, 2015, 08:40:22 am
Might require some Mad Science (tm) to assemble. Might kill you in your sleep if you forget to put it inside a safe.
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 17, 2015, 09:28:37 am
Wielding fish gives me an idea... According to fluff, killed Zeds revive later because Teh Goo fixes them up, given sufficient time chilling on the ground, right? Soooo could we make unliving zombie part weapons? Like swinging a separated spine with the head still attached, biting people who are hit.I'm pretty sure according to 'teh lore' that the body has to be relatively intact. Severed limbs and such probably wouldn't animate.
Might require some Mad Science (tm) to assemble. Might kill you in your sleep if you forget to put it inside a safe.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 17, 2015, 10:41:02 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 17, 2015, 10:47:00 am
Wielding fish gives me an idea... According to fluff, killed Zeds revive later because Teh Goo fixes them up, given sufficient time chilling on the ground, right? Soooo could we make unliving zombie part weapons? Like swinging a separated spine with the head still attached, biting people who are hit.
Might require some Mad Science (tm) to assemble. Might kill you in your sleep if you forget to put it inside a safe.
inb4 the zombie grow back on you.
Itslikeapuppetexceptitwanttokillyouanditskindagross!
Post by: Majestic7 on March 17, 2015, 11:25:55 am
Post by: pisskop on March 17, 2015, 11:31:08 am
Broken legs, no legs. too stupid or uncoordinated to stand back up, etc.
Post by: n9103 on March 17, 2015, 11:33:26 am
Being that that's about the third of the size of the estimated 8 gallons (and far less dense than the expected ~1g/cu.cm), that fish was extremely desiccated, but I can't imagine fish coming out of the water and being drier than a desert. :P
Post by: Majestic7 on March 17, 2015, 11:40:05 am
Crawler and crawling zombie are two distinct monsters in the game. It would make sense for some zeds you kill but not dissect come back as crawling zombies, though. Maybe there should be other mutilated zeds in the game, like an armless zombie (worse attack, can only bite).
Post by: teoleo on March 17, 2015, 01:36:56 pm
Post by: Zireael on March 17, 2015, 02:49:36 pm
how dissasemble a seat for take the spring?
Is it in your inventory or not?
Post by: pisskop on March 17, 2015, 08:37:40 pm
Any good ideas?
Post by: Sindain on March 17, 2015, 08:40:21 pm
So is it possible to make an obvious sign or signal? Something to point out a nearby minefield. In case I miss the Ps when driving.
Any good ideas?
An extreme solution would be to build walls all around it.
A more sensible solution would be dig shallow pits around the field. Should be pretty hard to miss a giant ring of pits. N' at least they'll slow down your car if you do miss them.
Post by: Darkmere on March 17, 2015, 08:50:31 pm
So is it possible to make an obvious sign or signal? Something to point out a nearby minefield. In case I miss the Ps when driving.
Any good ideas?
smash rocks into pebbles and drop the pebbles individually into a border. or piles of 2 nails each or something, as long as it looks unnatural it should work.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 17, 2015, 09:45:18 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 18, 2015, 02:01:04 am
So is it possible to make an obvious sign or signal? Something to point out a nearby minefield. In case I miss the Ps when driving....Hilariously, when I drove my custom vehicle over one (with the front being much like a 4-wheeled ATV, but with a reinforced windshield and giant wheels [big wheels = more speed!]), I ran over many, many mines. Suffered...no damage at all xD
Any good ideas?
m > N > Minefield!
Map, notes, "Minefield!"?
As I'm pretty unsure how to spot a minefield on the minimap unless you're traversing a commonly used route, unless you blow up the mines by proximity molotovs.
Post by: teoleo on March 18, 2015, 07:04:58 am
how dissasemble a seat for take the spring?
Is it in your inventory or not?
No
Post by: pisskop on March 18, 2015, 07:44:32 am
Post by: jocan2003 on March 18, 2015, 08:15:10 am
Arent wide tires mine immune?So is it possible to make an obvious sign or signal? Something to point out a nearby minefield. In case I miss the Ps when driving....Hilariously, when I drove my custom vehicle over one (with the front being much like a 4-wheeled ATV, but with a reinforced windshield and giant wheels [big wheels = more speed!]), I ran over many, many mines. Suffered...no damage at all xD
Any good ideas?
m > N > Minefield!
Map, notes, "Minefield!"?
As I'm pretty unsure how to spot a minefield on the minimap unless you're traversing a commonly used route, unless you blow up the mines by proximity molotovs.
Post by: Zireael on March 18, 2015, 08:31:04 am
Arent wide tires mine immune?So is it possible to make an obvious sign or signal? Something to point out a nearby minefield. In case I miss the Ps when driving....Hilariously, when I drove my custom vehicle over one (with the front being much like a 4-wheeled ATV, but with a reinforced windshield and giant wheels [big wheels = more speed!]), I ran over many, many mines. Suffered...no damage at all xD
Any good ideas?
m > N > Minefield!
Map, notes, "Minefield!"?
As I'm pretty unsure how to spot a minefield on the minimap unless you're traversing a commonly used route, unless you blow up the mines by proximity molotovs.
Nope.
@ teoleo: Stand on the square the seat is in and press Shift+B. If the seat is still in the vehicle, you'll need to remove it first.
Post by: BigD145 on March 18, 2015, 10:20:54 am
Post by: Greiger on March 18, 2015, 04:21:05 pm
M For landmines. # For Wreckage or Road barricades. R For the last known location of ridiculously dangerous things like Tank Drones A few T in places that I've been where trifflid queens were active to avoid 'road groves'.
They all do very well and serve as both an obvious big red warning sign and a reminder of exactly what kind of threat it is. Even out of the corner of your eye something big and red showing up on the minimap (where that color is otherwise almost nonexistent) is a big heads up.
I also use other symbols as well Green or yellow % depending on weather the mobs are alive or not for bodies. A big capital C for cars out in the sticks or notable cars in cities color usually dependent on what it's good for. Red if it's just notable for being in the way. A yellow X for looted houses, a Red ! for places like houses with spider nests or wasp hives, a blue $ for places that I was not able to loot for some reason... Lots of info can be placed just with colored symbols, before even writing notes on them.
Post by: Descan on March 18, 2015, 04:32:37 pm
Post by: RebelZhouYuWu on March 18, 2015, 05:16:16 pm
Capital E on the main map will gray out the selected tile, usually used for ones you've explored.Yes, if you use Shift+e on a map tile for buildings you have already looted it makes very easy to tell them apart at a glance without having a city filled with notes.
Post by: pisskop on March 18, 2015, 09:53:28 pm
Post by: i2amroy on March 18, 2015, 10:06:06 pm
Wide tires were trap immune for a while, but it wasn't intended but was instead was due to a hard coded thing somebody forgot to update. Once we noticed the problem it was updated with a more robust system that "fixed" the problem (and stopped wide tires from being trap immune).
Post by: jocan2003 on March 18, 2015, 10:18:55 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 19, 2015, 01:19:29 am
Ahhh well it could have explain why he didnt blow up when running over the mines, then he was crazy lucky.Made me surprised.
Oh! And that thing was of a really further-back-in version of Cata. Unsure nowadays because I'm busy even finding a nice military vehicle to...repurpose.
Also she, if you mean me.
Post by: BFEL on March 19, 2015, 05:22:44 am
Also she, if you mean me.
STOP CONFUSING TIRUINS GENITAL PERSUASION PEOPLE!
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 19, 2015, 05:30:07 am
Post by: Aseaheru on March 19, 2015, 06:06:52 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 19, 2015, 06:24:21 am
Post by: Sindain on March 19, 2015, 06:25:25 am
Is it just me or hydraulic muscles don't grant bonus damage to melee anymore?
Just checked this out on experimental 864 and well... it seems to be the case. I didn't notice any damage increase with hydraulic muscles on... weird.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 19, 2015, 06:34:19 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 19, 2015, 06:41:32 am
Post by: Aseaheru on March 19, 2015, 06:59:59 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 19, 2015, 07:05:09 am
Post by: Urist_McGamer on March 19, 2015, 02:40:11 pm
Post by: Sheb on March 19, 2015, 02:47:59 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 19, 2015, 02:51:04 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 19, 2015, 02:51:23 pm
How do you open the safe in bank's vaukt? Acetykene torch doesn't work apparently. Lockpick?Stethoscope?
Post by: pisskop on March 19, 2015, 10:08:47 pm
There are some 'wanderer' symbols far north, but Ive seen none down where I choose to make a home. Which is further odd because I do get a trickle of zoms chading squirrels or whatever.
Can I 'reset' the spawns or do I have have to wait?
Post by: Ivefan on March 19, 2015, 11:47:39 pm
So Im not sure if wandering hordes are wandering to me. I get some spawns when I raid, but mostly I am unimpeded as I smash all the furniture and everything.Blow up a gas station or similar noisy thing and watch the horde come your way.
There are some 'wanderer' symbols far north, but Ive seen none down where I choose to make a home. Which is further odd because I do get a trickle of zoms chading squirrels or whatever.
Can I 'reset' the spawns or do I have have to wait?
Post by: FArgHalfnr on March 20, 2015, 11:17:45 am
How do you open the safe in bank's vaukt? Acetykene torch doesn't work apparently. Lockpick?
Edit: Derp. I was thinking the vault doors instead of the safe.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 20, 2015, 11:30:17 am
Post by: Kaitol on March 20, 2015, 03:09:55 pm
Post by: Greiger on March 20, 2015, 04:44:47 pm
Post by: BFEL on March 21, 2015, 12:40:07 am
Explosions seem to work well.
No safe cannot be cracked by liberal application of mininukes.
Post by: Rince Wind on March 21, 2015, 06:49:20 am
Post by: Aseaheru on March 21, 2015, 06:59:14 am
Post by: Rince Wind on March 21, 2015, 07:09:29 am
Post by: Aseaheru on March 21, 2015, 07:17:28 am
Post by: Rince Wind on March 21, 2015, 07:20:20 am
Post by: BFEL on March 21, 2015, 07:52:34 am
Are proper funnels better than homemade ones?
Read this as proper funerals... Incidentally most Cataclysm funerals involve chopping the deceased into bits and setting the bits on fire. Unless you have the cannibal trait of course. Then it's mostly the same, but with less stomach growls.
Post by: Sheb on March 21, 2015, 08:35:27 am
Post by: scrdest on March 21, 2015, 09:13:52 am
Is there a way to install a funnel or something to a vehicle to fill its water tanks?I don't think so, but that seems like a good suggestion.
Post by: pisskop on March 21, 2015, 09:53:13 am
Also a firetruck.
Post by: BFEL on March 21, 2015, 09:56:20 am
#Add fire hydrants that cause flooding/damage on tile when smashed and can be opened to flood the area and can be used to fill up stuff.FTFY
Also a firetruck THAT SHOOTS FIRE
Post by: Darkmere on March 21, 2015, 09:58:53 am
Is there a way to install a funnel or something to a vehicle to fill its water tanks?
Vehicles only accept clean water, funnels only yield dirty unpurified water. You'd be tainting your drinking water supply.
Post by: BFEL on March 21, 2015, 10:09:11 am
AND THEN THE ACID RAIN STARTEDIs there a way to install a funnel or something to a vehicle to fill its water tanks?
Vehicles only accept clean water, funnels only yield dirty unpurified water. You'd be tainting your drinking water supply.
Post by: pisskop on March 21, 2015, 10:27:53 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 21, 2015, 10:29:18 am
Post by: Nighthawk on March 21, 2015, 10:30:07 am
Post by: Akura on March 21, 2015, 10:39:30 am
Post by: pisskop on March 21, 2015, 10:49:50 am
Post by: n9103 on March 21, 2015, 12:57:08 pm
Yeah, pretty sure it got removed for reasons of "OH GOD ACID RAIN THERE'S NO COVER FOR MILES FUUUU-"Only serious complaint so far. Expect it'll be the only one though.
Post by: Sheb on March 21, 2015, 01:07:40 pm
Does a car alternator increase fuel consumption?
Post by: Aseaheru on March 21, 2015, 02:42:53 pm
Post by: Zireael on March 21, 2015, 02:50:02 pm
Yeah, pretty sure it got removed for reasons of "OH GOD ACID RAIN THERE'S NO COVER FOR MILES FUUUU-"
It was removed because it equaled 'oh great, FREE FOOD' due to killing all animals around
Post by: i2amroy on March 21, 2015, 02:58:51 pm
Not to mention that within those miles, wildlife(and undead) would die off. Potentially, items could be destroyed, since in Acid Rain(not Acid Drizzle), puddles of 5s would show up.The main reason was basically this. Animals and many other things that should care about acid rain and finding cover didn't. As such they would gladly parade outside until they collapsed and died, despite cover being right near them. Once we get local weather in it should be coming back near certain portal locations.
Post by: Greiger on March 21, 2015, 03:00:09 pm
I miss the acid rain.Yes, but I don't recall exactly how, I think it just reduces the efficiency of the engine.
Does a car alternator increase fuel consumption?
Post by: AlleeCat on March 21, 2015, 04:17:19 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on March 21, 2015, 05:16:56 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 21, 2015, 07:12:26 pm
Post by: BFEL on March 21, 2015, 08:15:59 pm
Really. Really. Slow.
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on March 21, 2015, 10:04:18 pm
Post by: Zireael on March 26, 2015, 08:11:35 am
Post by: pedrousz on March 26, 2015, 11:10:31 am
just died while raiding a mansion even though I had tons of meat and water t.t
also, fuckin books
Post by: Zireael on March 26, 2015, 11:20:54 am
Post by: gimlet on March 26, 2015, 11:25:44 am
Post by: AVE on March 26, 2015, 11:45:28 am
Post by: Baffler on March 26, 2015, 04:25:24 pm
Post by: pedrousz on March 26, 2015, 05:57:59 pm
I just lucked the hell out on a lab challenge. I spawned with night vision, and high melee, computer, and cutting weapon skills. I was able to use troglobite and rat mutagens/serums to get full night vision, and the boss room with a fusion rifle with lots of shots was only defended by a couple of manhacks. I lasted almost two weeks before I got careless and just walked right into a turret room. I was on my way to demolish my way out of the lab (a barracks had stopped me until then, zombie soldiers are absolute murder at close range) with the fusion rifle, and I just carelessly strolled into a dead end room and got shot all to pieces. I'm so pissed but I need to start another one right now. Next time I'll take cannibal too, being reduced to eating the dead scientists meant I could either eat for the day, or get stuff done.how do you even know when is the time to sleep? :P
someone can explain me what this means?
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Tuned skilling progression for making archery items to allow bootstrapping.I guess archery is easier, but how should I use it on my favor to go full hunter?
Post by: n9103 on March 26, 2015, 06:41:52 pm
how do you even know when is the time to sleep? :PGo to sleep when you get tired, if it's safe to do so. Otherwise start working on getting to a safe place to sleep when you do get tired.
someone can explain me what this means?
Since there's no sun, and thus no time-affected lighting (or anything else AFAIK) there's no reason to prefer sleeping at any regular time period.
Personally, I don't really care about the time of day for sleeping anyway, and simply make my plans for the current waking cycle based on needs and conditions. If I'm in need of food and it's dark, I raid a city. If it's light, I forage or hunt wildlife. Etc. etc.
Post by: Teneb on March 26, 2015, 06:49:13 pm
EDIT: And then, of course, I spawn inside a turret room.
Post by: Baffler on March 26, 2015, 08:09:09 pm
Post by: gimlet on March 26, 2015, 08:14:00 pm
Post by: scrdest on March 27, 2015, 04:24:22 am
Post by: ejseto on March 27, 2015, 07:57:08 am
Man I got creamed by turrets even with shift-X, it was a few months ago so maybe it's better now.
Visibility does not precisely match line-of-sight. You can have firing LOS through dark areas (i.e. you can shoot past something that should be casting a shadow and blocking your sight), for example, because they are calculated differently (visibility is approximated). Similarly, that turret can shoot you around the corner sometimes, even though you can't see it so it shouldn't see you. It would be prohibitively expensive to calculate them in the same manner.
Post by: gimlet on March 27, 2015, 11:23:47 am
Post by: Rince Wind on March 27, 2015, 11:41:14 am
Post by: Arcvasti on March 27, 2015, 11:48:04 am
Post by: ejseto on March 27, 2015, 12:07:30 pm
a turret that would shoot even after I closed the door.
That sounds like an actual bug. What I was talking about isn't a bug, it's a design compromise.
Post by: i2amroy on March 27, 2015, 12:29:38 pm
Post by: Darkmere on March 27, 2015, 01:25:26 pm
I've found[A version ago, at least], that having no light sources one you and full night vision makes it much easier to kill turrets with thrown junk, since they rely on light to see and you don't.
This is it. If you're not in a lab start just avoid them until you can get a decent firearm and some NV goggles, and you'll be much safer.
Post by: n9103 on March 27, 2015, 01:44:16 pm
I've found[A version ago, at least], that having no light sources one you and full night vision makes it much easier to kill turrets with thrown junk, since they rely on light to see and you don't.Thirded, and the only way I'll deal with turrets at all. *SOOO* much easier.
Post by: Descan on March 27, 2015, 01:48:06 pm
Shift-X greatly increased the survivability of my characters in the lab. It lets you peek around corners without actually stepping through them. stuff won't see you if you do, and that includes turrets. From there it's just a matter of leaving a signal in front of dangerous doors.When I'm armoured, my "signal" ends up being my blood spattered around the door. :P
Post by: Arcvasti on March 27, 2015, 01:52:06 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 27, 2015, 02:04:26 pm
Post by: ejseto on March 27, 2015, 03:31:19 pm
Post by: Greiger on March 27, 2015, 03:43:50 pm
Post by: i2amroy on March 27, 2015, 03:47:04 pm
Just got the "Ring of Forgotten Suffering" from a mine. It grants invisibility and netherworld attention when worn, I shit you not.That's hilarious. :P
Post by: Cheedows on March 27, 2015, 04:11:49 pm
Just got the "Ring of Forgotten Suffering" from a mine. It grants invisibility and netherworld attention when worn, I shit you not.
It's just hilarious how it is named "Forgotten Suffering" as well. Do you gain more abilities from it as you mutate?
Post by: Sheb on March 27, 2015, 04:59:35 pm
Post by: scrdest on March 27, 2015, 05:06:59 pm
I've found[A version ago, at least], that having no light sources one you and full night vision makes it much easier to kill turrets with thrown junk, since they rely on light to see and you don't.
This is it. If you're not in a lab start just avoid them until you can get a decent firearm and some NV goggles, and you'll be much safer.
Another trick - the turrets give off light, and can only see in that range. Before you enter a room with a potential game-over in it, turn off the flashlight.
Post by: pisskop on March 27, 2015, 08:02:13 pm
. Took me another 20 days or so to build the garage I'm currently sleeping in. If I ever get the hoouse intended up It'll be a longterm project.
Highlight include:
-Putting on so many vests, sheets, and balnkets that my charact almost burned to death taking them back off.
-Getting attacked by a group of 5 NPCs, each armed with an SMG or shotgun.
-Admiring my collection of 3000 rags, and 1000 logs
-Getting my tent crushed by a group of 30 or so zombies of assorted flavors upon waking up.
Good times . . . and decent skills.
Post by: gimlet on March 27, 2015, 08:34:26 pm
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Another trick - the turrets give off light, and can only see in that range. Before you enter a room with a potential game-over in it, turn off the flashlight.And DON'T go "Ooooh look, an Armory Terminal!" and beeline for it as you are congratulating yourself for staying out of the light of the terminal by the turret :p RIP Lab Mutant VII...
Post by: BFEL on March 27, 2015, 08:58:55 pm
Post by: Sindain on March 27, 2015, 09:23:30 pm
So is it INTENDED that "full" night vision only lets you see four-ish squares ahead of you?
I'm pretty sure its more than four, and it varies with moon phases so you're probably at the lower end of that, but yes. You can't actually get night vision to the point where you can see as well as you do at day.
Post by: pedrousz on March 27, 2015, 09:25:34 pm
without this car there was no way that I would survive
Post by: pisskop on March 27, 2015, 09:31:41 pm
Post by: Greiger on March 27, 2015, 10:17:41 pm
Then I think there's High night vision which is about double normal night vision, about 4 tiles. It requires mutations Makes looting at night easier, but if you end up seeing something at the edge of your vision at that level it's unfortunately still close enough for them to start tracking you by scent in the case of dogs and wolves and such.
Full night vision requires mutations, and while they don't see quite as well as they can in the day in my experience, they can see about as far as one vanilla screen size which is a significant difference. Enough to drive by if yer careful.
Post by: Kaitol on March 28, 2015, 12:56:17 am
Post by: Aseaheru on March 28, 2015, 01:02:27 am
Post by: Sindain on March 28, 2015, 07:37:13 am
I think fey vision might let you see at night like its day, and there's some other vision types as well but its been so long since I've played with mutations that I can't really say definitively.
Fey vision gives the same radius as full night vision (I think, it might be a bit different, but its close either way) but Fey vision allows you to read in the dark with no penalties.
Post by: BFEL on March 28, 2015, 07:38:43 am
Like I said, I kinda get it, but kinda don't.
Post by: pisskop on March 28, 2015, 07:56:39 am
Yeah I mean I KINDA get why its not as good as normal vision, but also kinda don't. I mean, the things that have full night vision include trogs which are pretty much expected to spend ALL their time in the dark, so it feels weird that they wouldn't be able to see as far as "normal"I support the idea that alternative means of sensing things should be available. Sight requires light. Kinda a prereq. At least the way we percieve it and envision it. SNever got the idea of 'darkvision' except a a way to handwaves other senses.
Like I said, I kinda get it, but kinda don't.
I like the idea of infrared. Would work, because there are heat differences.
- I think the issuse is that we can only display so much information in a game that is visually based. :|
Anyway, most zombis can see 4-5 tiles away at night, so . . .
Edit: Echolocation ftw.
Post by: Rince Wind on March 28, 2015, 09:50:19 am
Playing harmonica, saxophon and clarinet at the same time. :D
Now if I can just get my hands on a guitar and some drums...
Post by: Akura on March 28, 2015, 11:43:24 am
I am my own band!Now you just need some zombies, and you'll get this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcwP5wpNGyw)
Playing harmonica, saxophon and clarinet at the same time. :D
Now if I can just get my hands on a guitar and some drums...
Post by: pisskop on March 28, 2015, 02:34:43 pm
Made a 3x3 vehicle with a bunch of cargo slots, turns unexpectedly horribly.
I was sure itd turn more like a quad with more cargo space, but it may actually turn worse than a pickup truck :\
Post by: martinuzz on March 29, 2015, 09:07:20 am
Post by: Flying Dice on March 29, 2015, 09:18:09 am
I just discovered the remains of a cannabis factory in the basement of a random house. Got enough weed there to last me until I can get those seeds planted and harvested hehehe.So you're going to spend the apocalypse making dank MLG parody videos? :P
Post by: BFEL on March 29, 2015, 09:26:09 am
Unfortunately, Youtube doesn't exist in the Cataclysm.I just discovered the remains of a cannabis factory in the basement of a random house. Got enough weed there to last me until I can get those seeds planted and harvested hehehe.So you're going to spend the apocalypse making dank MLG parody videos? :P
Post by: Descan on March 29, 2015, 12:21:26 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on March 29, 2015, 12:42:48 pm
Post by: n9103 on March 29, 2015, 12:52:11 pm
And being that it was made by a (then) Dev, I think it counts as canon.
Post by: BFEL on March 29, 2015, 12:54:06 pm
For example: the stats are mostly the same and have roughly the same scale (20 max with 5-ish being professional and 10 being "super amazing")
Post by: scrdest on March 29, 2015, 01:51:40 pm
BTW am I the only one who thinks Cataclysm and LCS are the same universe?Plus with the apparent GUNSGUNSMURRICAGUNSCRYINGEAGLE attitude of the country and the scientists being clones of Dr. Frankenstein using Mengele's cells, it's not that unlikely.
For example: the stats are mostly the same and have roughly the same scale (20 max with 5-ish being professional and 10 being "super amazing")
Post by: BigD145 on March 29, 2015, 03:11:05 pm
Post by: n9103 on March 29, 2015, 04:45:47 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 30, 2015, 02:25:07 am
Post by: rumpel on March 30, 2015, 06:45:07 am
Post by: Micro102 on March 30, 2015, 01:00:57 pm
Man, I didn't play for such a long time (don't know why ;_;) and now starting to skim through the changelog and it looks amazing already. Can't wait to play as a meth addicted bad ass zombie slayer kid with a cute Cars or MLP backpack.
You forgot the dinosaur suit.
Post by: Darkmere on March 30, 2015, 01:14:58 pm
Post by: BFEL on March 30, 2015, 02:39:55 pm
Is there a safe way to crack it open now?
a safe way
hehe
Post by: rumpel on March 30, 2015, 02:44:28 pm
Man, I didn't play for such a long time (don't know why ;_;) and now starting to skim through the changelog and it looks amazing already. Can't wait to play as a meth addicted bad ass zombie slayer kid with a cute Cars or MLP backpack.
You forgot the dinosaur suit.
Thanks for the reminder! :3
Post by: azmodean on April 01, 2015, 11:03:26 pm
Nothing is quite as satisfying as getting full survivor gear and full nightvision after your first serum. Now if only I didn't find building vehicles tedious as all hell....Now I have a mental image of someone injecting themselves with "survivor serum" and growing survivor gear :D
Also, latest experimental has STAMINA AND RUNNING *pant*pant*
Post by: BigD145 on April 01, 2015, 11:07:55 pm
Nothing is quite as satisfying as getting full survivor gear and full nightvision after your first serum. Now if only I didn't find building vehicles tedious as all hell....Now I have a mental image of someone injecting themselves with "survivor serum" and growing survivor gear :D
Also, latest experimental has STAMINA AND RUNNING *pant*pant*
No more sprinting everywhere and burning calories?
Post by: Majestic7 on April 02, 2015, 12:56:30 am
Post by: BFEL on April 02, 2015, 05:39:54 am
Frieza race serum? o.oNothing is quite as satisfying as getting full survivor gear and full nightvision after your first serum. Now if only I didn't find building vehicles tedious as all hell....Now I have a mental image of someone injecting themselves with "survivor serum" and growing survivor gear :D
Post by: Gamerlord on April 03, 2015, 09:24:25 am
Also, how do you run?Nothing is quite as satisfying as getting full survivor gear and full nightvision after your first serum. Now if only I didn't find building vehicles tedious as all hell....Now I have a mental image of someone injecting themselves with "survivor serum" and growing survivor gear :D
Also, latest experimental has STAMINA AND RUNNING *pant*pant*
Post by: Zireael on April 03, 2015, 09:32:44 am
In the new experimental, what does stamina actually do?Also, how do you run?Nothing is quite as satisfying as getting full survivor gear and full nightvision after your first serum. Now if only I didn't find building vehicles tedious as all hell....Now I have a mental image of someone injecting themselves with "survivor serum" and growing survivor gear :D
Also, latest experimental has STAMINA AND RUNNING *pant*pant*
You run by pressing "
As for what stamina does, no idea :)
Post by: azmodean on April 03, 2015, 10:25:26 am
Also, when your stamina is low you're at risk of gaining the winded effect, which has several stat debuffs, but more importantly blocks stamina regeneration. Also mouth encumbrance now slows stamina regain instead of slowing you down directly.
Post by: Gamerlord on April 04, 2015, 04:04:12 am
1. Why do boat boards need a welder to be attached? They should be able to be attached with nails, seeing as they are wood.
2. Is it really so hard to make it so that mutations are sorted in some way in the debug menu? I like playing around with them and it's hard as fuck to navigate, same for the item wish menu.
3. Are we ever going to be able to butcher with mutations (claws, talons, etc)?
Oh, and you know what would be really awesome? A setting in world gen where you can set climate - nothing fancy to begin with at least, just have it so that we can adjust the ambient temps up or down (making Winter and Summer harsher/easier). I'd love to play a game where it's boiling hot and you can barely wear anything; it sounds like a decent challenge.
Post by: blazing glory on April 04, 2015, 06:18:07 am
Oh, and you know what would be really awesome? A setting in world gen where you can set climate - nothing fancy to begin with at least, just have it so that we can adjust the ambient temps up or down (making Winter and Summer harsher/easier). I'd love to play a game where it's boiling hot and you can barely wear anything; it sounds like a decent challenge.And while you're at it, you should make it so you can alter the temperature of creatures so we can have proper cat-splosions.
Post by: BFEL on April 04, 2015, 07:08:55 am
Why do boat boards need a welder to be attached? They should be able to be attached with nails, seeing as they are wood.
Because any attachment done without !!things!! is undwarven.
Post by: Sheb on April 04, 2015, 07:36:23 am
Post by: BFEL on April 04, 2015, 01:09:33 pm
So, what is the best material for a fender to drive across bushery? Military composite ram? Heavy duty frame with composite plating? Hevy duty frame with shock absorber?I think there's a mounted grenade launcher now, isn't there?
Post by: Darkmere on April 04, 2015, 01:25:54 pm
So, what is the best material for a fender to drive across bushery? Military composite ram? Heavy duty frame with composite plating? Hevy duty frame with shock absorber?
Last character I had replaced the front end of a cop car with heavy duty frames and spiked plating. It held together pretty well during a few emergencies where I had to ram a few wrecks out of the way. I kept a spare acetylene torch and welding goggles in the trunk for field repairs and it worked out fine. Didn't make it far enough to get any exotic materials, but I had intended to put some heavy duty rollers on the front to see if I could armor plate those... Next game, maybe.
Post by: Descan on April 04, 2015, 02:50:49 pm
Now I'm imagining someone going cross-country, shooting grenades at all the bushes they see, just so that they don't damage his car. :PSo, what is the best material for a fender to drive across bushery? Military composite ram? Heavy duty frame with composite plating? Hevy duty frame with shock absorber?I think there's a mounted grenade launcher now, isn't there?
Post by: azmodean on April 04, 2015, 08:02:54 pm
Huh, cool. Also a couple of things that don't make sense:1. because no one has gotten around to it, the vehicle construction menu is kind of nightmarish, especially wrt crafting dependencies, which is part of the reason for the delay.
1. Why do boat boards need a welder to be attached? They should be able to be attached with nails, seeing as they are wood.
2. Is it really so hard to make it so that mutations are sorted in some way in the debug menu? I like playing around with them and it's hard as fuck to navigate, same for the item wish menu.
3. Are we ever going to be able to butcher with mutations (claws, talons, etc)?
Oh, and you know what would be really awesome? A setting in world gen where you can set climate - nothing fancy to begin with at least, just have it so that we can adjust the ambient temps up or down (making Winter and Summer harsher/easier). I'd love to play a game where it's boiling hot and you can barely wear anything; it sounds like a decent challenge.
2. no, but it's also a debug-only feature, so we don't really care about making it user friendly, patches are welcome though.
3. probably
NaN. yea it would, and it probably wouldn't be very hard (for temperature at least, adjusting ratio of different weather types might be difficult).
Post by: pedrousz on April 04, 2015, 08:31:25 pm
Post by: BFEL on April 05, 2015, 07:56:17 am
Descan gets it! Well, almost. Change "bushes" to "everything" and you have it totally correct. :PNow I'm imagining someone going cross-country, shooting grenades at all the bushes they see, just so that they don't damage his car. :PSo, what is the best material for a fender to drive across bushery? Military composite ram? Heavy duty frame with composite plating? Hevy duty frame with shock absorber?I think there's a mounted grenade launcher now, isn't there?
Post by: Descan on April 05, 2015, 11:02:56 am
"OH god it's a brute! WAIT! There's a BUSH next to him!" *burns the bush :3*
Post by: BFEL on April 05, 2015, 11:09:02 am
Post by: Nighthawk on April 05, 2015, 12:03:38 pm
Post by: beorn080 on April 05, 2015, 03:18:22 pm
Post by: martinuzz on April 05, 2015, 05:55:17 pm
Rolled a new character, gave it the disease resistance trait, because I got really tired of constant common colds preventing me from doing much besides eating, drinking, and sleeping it off.
Day 1.
"You feel a cold coming on"
>:(
Post by: BigD145 on April 05, 2015, 06:18:10 pm
Post by: beorn080 on April 05, 2015, 06:20:02 pm
Post by: martinuzz on April 05, 2015, 06:48:52 pm
Next time take the disease immunity trait.
Is that in the experimental? Didn't see that in 0c.
Or do you mean the 'trait' called gasmask? I know I should wear it at all times. But that eye and mouth encumbrance :(
EDIT: Also, yes. Road rollers are many kinds of awesome.
Post by: Sindain on April 05, 2015, 06:49:50 pm
Next time take the disease immunity trait.
Is that in the experimental? Didn't see that in 0c.
Or do you mean the 'trait' called gasmask? I know I should wear it at all times. But that eye and mouth encumbrance :(
Its a mutation.
Post by: Darkmere on April 05, 2015, 08:03:38 pm
Next time take the disease immunity trait.
Is that in the experimental? Didn't see that in 0c.
Or do you mean the 'trait' called gasmask? I know I should wear it at all times. But that eye and mouth encumbrance :(
EDIT: Also, yes. Road rollers are many kinds of awesome.
It takes a little work and some luck but... make a survivor mask. gas mask with 0 encumbrance and added armor. Tailoring and fabrication around 6 I think.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 05, 2015, 08:23:48 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on April 06, 2015, 01:24:32 am
Post by: Zireael on April 06, 2015, 03:44:36 am
Next time take the disease immunity trait.
Doesn't make you immune unfortunately, just raises the thresholds.
Post by: i2amroy on April 06, 2015, 04:16:46 am
Post by: Zireael on April 06, 2015, 04:54:54 am
No, there's actually a trait called "disease immunity" that can be mutated from the "disease resistant" trait that you can normally pick in chargen (I believe you can take the immunity right at the start if you go with one of the mutant scenarios). Having disease immunity actually makes you immune to getting sick.
Nope, I did get sick just before 0.C with immunity.
Post by: i2amroy on April 06, 2015, 05:08:06 am
Code: [Select]
void player::get_sick()
{
if (has_trait("DISIMMUNE")) {
return;
}
if (!has_effect("flu") && !has_effect("common_cold") &&
one_in(900 + get_healthy() + (has_trait("DISRESISTANT") ? 300 : 0))) {
if (one_in(6) && !has_effect("flushot")) {
add_env_effect("flu", bp_mouth, 3, rng(40000, 80000));
} else {
add_env_effect("common_cold", bp_mouth, 3, rng(20000, 60000));
}
}
}I was the last one to touch the relevant lines,Code: [Select]
if (has_trait("DISIMMUNE")) {
return;
}and I did so on July 31, 2014. And that was a move PR, so the original code has been around longer than that. I don't know what happened with you, but it did not pass through this piece of code, which is the only place in the whole codebase that will infect you with the flu or common cold in vanilla C:DDA. (Of course if you were playing a modded C:DDA then all bets are off, but in that case any testimony you have on the fact is irrelevant since it would only apply to said mod anyways).
Post by: martinuzz on April 06, 2015, 06:18:38 am
Also: how do eating habits exactly influence disease? In my last game, I was on a strict regime of 1 - 2 vitamins a day, yet I kept getting the cold over and over again. I thought I did have a pretty varied diet too. Only thing I didn't have much of was fruit (one and a half year ingame time, guess the rng just did not like me to have irradiated fruits, they barely spawned, and I didn't get into farming blueberries this time around).
Post by: Sheb on April 06, 2015, 06:49:37 am
Also, I'm going to get into manufacturing alpha mutagen once spring come. But the things are bloody expensive in terms of ressource (They need 2 bird, 2 plants, 2 slime mutagen and 4 purifier each. Crafting everything from scratch, that's 40 bleach, 24 ammonia, 3 bird eggs, 6 plant marrox, 6 blob globs and 52 tainted meat (or 70 blob glob)). And over 4 hours of crafting.
So I want the most bang for my buck. So is it better to consume 1 serum, or 2 mutagens?
Post by: Blaze on April 06, 2015, 07:01:36 am
Serum guarantees at least 3 mutations, and have a high chance for getting 3 more.
Post by: Descan on April 06, 2015, 08:14:40 am
My bowels are constantly aching. I am unfamiliar with this new feature. Is it because I eat nothing but dandelion greens?You need to take anti-parasitic drugs, puffybabe.
Post by: martinuzz on April 06, 2015, 08:37:38 am
But those chickens.
I read on the wiki that an EMP grenade can turn them friendly. How many EMP grenades would I need? One enough?
Post by: Sheb on April 06, 2015, 08:43:27 am
Post by: Twiggie on April 06, 2015, 09:05:07 am
Post by: Descan on April 06, 2015, 09:10:51 am
So that leads into at least how to fix it, if the game can sense alt-tabbing, make it refresh the graphics when it becomes focused on.
Post by: Greiger on April 06, 2015, 09:56:39 am
Post by: BigD145 on April 06, 2015, 10:13:35 am
It happens when widowed as well, I play cata at work between taking calls and i always have to open and close the map to get it to display afterward. Not that it bothers me much, just adding more detail to the report.
Not the case for ascii, at least on my Win7 laptop and desktop.
Post by: Baffler on April 06, 2015, 10:25:44 am
Proper eating
Wait, does this game model proper nutrition? Because my diet consists
Post by: Sheb on April 06, 2015, 10:31:42 am
As far as I know, cooked meat and jhonnycake both are neutral, so you won't have issue there.
Post by: Blaze on April 06, 2015, 10:33:49 am
Health will naturalize to a value of 0.
It is definitely not realistic. Eating cracklings is as unhealthy as snorting crack.
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 06, 2015, 10:36:42 am
(wiki (http://www.wiki.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?title=Hidden_stats#Health)) Many comestibles modify your health value, which affects your chance of catching ambient diseases, among other effects.Proper eatingWait, does this game model proper nutrition? Because my diet consistsmostlyalmost exclusively of water, cooked meat, and johnnycakes. A balanced diet it is not.
Fake edit: Ninja'd.
Post by: Baffler on April 06, 2015, 10:56:41 am
Post by: Graknorke on April 06, 2015, 10:59:37 am
Eating cracklings is as unhealthy as snorting crack.This made me wonder, is there any sort of real life measure of how dangerous something is for you to do? So you could actually compare these two things.
Post by: scrdest on April 06, 2015, 11:27:20 am
Not really. There's too much variables and unknowns to even make such a thing.Eating cracklings is as unhealthy as snorting crack.This made me wonder, is there any sort of real life measure of how dangerous something is for you to do? So you could actually compare these two things.
Post by: Sheb on April 06, 2015, 11:34:43 am
Post by: Vattic on April 06, 2015, 02:36:46 pm
Micromorts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort) are a rough attempt at this. You also have the Microlife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microlife) statistic.Eating cracklings is as unhealthy as snorting crack.This made me wonder, is there any sort of real life measure of how dangerous something is for you to do? So you could actually compare these two things.
Post by: Akura on April 06, 2015, 02:44:09 pm
Micromorts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort) are a rough attempt at this. You also have the Microlife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microlife) statistic.Eating cracklings is as unhealthy as snorting crack.This made me wonder, is there any sort of real life measure of how dangerous something is for you to do? So you could actually compare these two things.
I read both of those. 2-3 cups of coffee increases your life expectancy by one microlife(half an hour). How many cups of coffee until I attain immortality? What's the micromort chance of that?
Post by: scrdest on April 06, 2015, 02:46:23 pm
I read both of those. 2-3 cups of coffee increases your life expectancy by one microlife(half an hour). How many cups of coffee until I attain immortality?Infinity, duh.
Post by: Damiac on April 06, 2015, 04:00:26 pm
Post by: azmodean on April 07, 2015, 11:19:31 am
Probably estimated reduction of lifespan when (substance) is consumed (times) per (timespan). Not that that'd be easy to conjure up values for, of course.There's a forum thread outlining it on the dda forums, but I can't find it right now (on a phone), in the meantime I believe ./cataclysm -h or ./cataclysm --help will give inteligible output now, and most of the options to make it shared-server-friendly are command-line options.
Anywho, now that I've figured out how servers and routers work, I'm thinking of opening up Cataclysm for public play. Is there a way to keep users from creating/deleting worlds, or characters? Compilation options? Roguebasin (http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Ssh_Server) suggests a pretty simple setup on the outside, but the more intimate parts of Cataclysm are a bit foreign to me.
Post by: beorn080 on April 07, 2015, 12:52:21 pm
Expressed that way, yes, infinity, however, it would be a mere 48-72 cups a day to maintain.I read both of those. 2-3 cups of coffee increases your life expectancy by one microlife(half an hour). How many cups of coffee until I attain immortality?Infinity, duh.
Post by: TempAcc on April 07, 2015, 01:05:01 pm
This somehow reminds me that black licorice is actualy pretty unhealthy if you eat too much of it. And too much black licorice isn't really THAT much even. Overdosing on it can even cause heart attacks, and it also carries a surprise for male enthusiasts:
EDIT: I misremembered. It can actualy mess a number of thyroid hormones and worsen their effect, specialy if you're undertaking hormone therapy.
Post by: Graknorke on April 07, 2015, 01:18:22 pm
just a few weeks of constant consumption.JUST a few weeks? I think any sane person would be brought to a stop by their bowels loooong before then.
Post by: TempAcc on April 07, 2015, 01:33:01 pm
Post by: Graknorke on April 07, 2015, 04:14:34 pm
I regretted it for the rest of the week.
Post by: joemoben on April 07, 2015, 05:12:55 pm
Post by: ~Neri on April 07, 2015, 05:39:55 pm
So, I discovered the thriller. I figured if I killed the Thriller, the others, would simply aggro onto me. I was so, so wrong. Sad end to such a promising character.I am curious as to what happened.
Post by: joemoben on April 07, 2015, 05:49:37 pm
I am curious as to what happened.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ~Neri on April 07, 2015, 05:53:29 pm
Post by: martinuzz on April 07, 2015, 06:40:24 pm
Post by: joemoben on April 07, 2015, 07:01:16 pm
Thriller as in Micheal Jackson reference?Yep. Descriptions were even thriller themed.
EDIT: Found the thrillers body on a subsequent character
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Post by: BFEL on April 07, 2015, 08:16:55 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 07, 2015, 09:07:49 pm
Whoever added that needs to be rewarded handsomely.Aw shucks, there's no need for that. (Though you can always donate to bounties for one of the cooler issues if you find you just have an outpouring of money you don't know what to do with ;D).
And yeah, the thriller makes a high pitched cry and transforms all zombies in range into zombie dancers (while collecting the current dancers around himself), so it's totally possible for them to convert an entire city if they spawn in the right place. :P
Post by: Worldmaster27 on April 07, 2015, 09:39:22 pm
Post by: Greiger on April 07, 2015, 10:15:05 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 07, 2015, 10:44:59 pm
Post by: ductape on April 07, 2015, 10:57:07 pm
Every comestible (That is, food and drugs) is given a "Healthiness" rating, eating them affects your health, positive or negative.
Health will naturalize to a value of 0.
It is definitely not realistic. Eating cracklings is as unhealthy as snorting crack.
heh. first of all you dont snort crack, you smoke it. And second, that sounds about right. Crack in and of itself is probably LESS bad that fried pig skins, it is the resulatant life choices made when addicted to drugs that is very unhealthy.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on April 07, 2015, 11:23:59 pm
Crack cocaine, by contrast, is cocaine that you smoke. Cocaine itself already fucks with brain chemistry, but that's not quite that important for the discussion at hand about damage to your ability to resist infection. No, that comes from the smoke part. Smoking wrecks your airways, causing injury that can make it easier for infections to settle in. It doesn't even matter what kind of smoke, but the fun thing about crack is that, if you get it on the street, it can often be cut with other substances, including some that are outright toxic, which puts an even bigger tax on your immune system.
Post by: hops on April 08, 2015, 06:03:13 am
Post by: BFEL on April 08, 2015, 07:20:30 am
Welp, time to snort the pork rinds.SNORT THEM FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
Post by: Puzzlemaker on April 08, 2015, 11:44:44 am
In terms of what to eat, people in different areas eat vastly different things, yet remain mostly healthy. Humans are like rats, we can eat anything. However, that being said, it's best to have a varied diet, even if you vary it by what part of the animal you eat (Kidneys are good for you!).
So honestly the most "realistic" way to do healthy food would be to have two values, kCal count, and food type. Every time you eat a specific type of food, it would decrease the healthiness from it. Eating too many kCal would also be unhealthy.
Post by: scrdest on April 08, 2015, 04:40:04 pm
A lot of "Unhealthy" food is actually very healthy for you in the right circumstances... If you have ever been backpacking, high-fat and high-sugar foods are really helpful. There is someone who did the "twinkie diet", or something like that, where they would eat fast foods but only at the right Kilo-Calorie amount. They lost weight, and had better cholesterol.Except kcals (it's not capitalized, BTW) is an energy measure and the energy demand will vary - depending on what you do, obviously. It's just be either as unrealistic as it is now plus annoying, or a PITA and a waste of resources to track.
In terms of what to eat, people in different areas eat vastly different things, yet remain mostly healthy. Humans are like rats, we can eat anything. However, that being said, it's best to have a varied diet, even if you vary it by what part of the animal you eat (Kidneys are good for you!).
So honestly the most "realistic" way to do healthy food would be to have two values, kCal count, and food type. Every time you eat a specific type of food, it would decrease the healthiness from it. Eating too many kCal would also be unhealthy.
Post by: Descan on April 08, 2015, 06:44:23 pm
Post by: martinuzz on April 08, 2015, 08:53:45 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
. Now I just need to wait for that fat zombie to reanimate, and see if I can leash it with a chain hehehehe. I'm not sure which skill, at what level unlocks that option for the knife. I don't think it is available at game start.Post by: Worldmaster27 on April 08, 2015, 09:04:36 pm
Post by: Blaze on April 08, 2015, 09:13:24 pm
Post by: Descan on April 08, 2015, 09:40:10 pm
iirc, there was a mod in the world creation thing called 'necromancy' that supposedly would allow you to make minions out of monsters. Maybe that's it?No, that involves slime/goo. I think. I never really investigated it that much, but I looked at the files.
Post by: martinuzz on April 08, 2015, 10:20:55 pm
iirc, there was a mod in the world creation thing called 'necromancy' that supposedly would allow you to make minions out of monsters. Maybe that's it?
no mods, I am playing vanilla 0C release
Post by: Darkmere on April 08, 2015, 11:04:21 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 08, 2015, 11:34:14 pm
Why did they add in things like that to the base game? I mean, there are a ton of things that I always include that I do have to checkmark...
Post by: ejseto on April 09, 2015, 12:00:08 am
Or rather, options to always include certain mods in worlds.
You can make mods default by pressing 's' on the mod screen during world gen.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 09, 2015, 12:34:59 am
Post by: Darkmere on April 09, 2015, 12:39:11 am
Post by: i2amroy on April 09, 2015, 12:42:01 am
Post by: Aseaheru on April 09, 2015, 12:46:40 am
Also, it seems like its a stable thing. Atleast, I keep getting the option to make a zombie slave when I dont have that thing enabled.
Post by: ejseto on April 09, 2015, 12:50:19 am
Thats a good thing, but still dosent either give the option to remove necromancy Or explain why they decided to add the silly thing in the first place.
If it bothers you so much to even look at it you can simply delete it from your mods folder.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 09, 2015, 12:53:20 am
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on April 09, 2015, 12:56:10 am
Zombie slaves (zlaves) are mainline - apparently they're based off something from the Walking Dead TV show - necromantically-induced friendly zombies are part of the necromancy mod.
The mod implies that you alter the zeds' brains to make them friendly via surgical means, whereas zlaves are simply zombies that have been surgically altered to remove their most dangerous body parts so as to render them useful as beasts of burden.
Necromancy is a mod because it doesn't mesh very well with the established canon. Zlaves are mainline because there's nothing about them that violates the game's lore.
Post by: Majestic7 on April 09, 2015, 02:09:41 am
Post by: i2amroy on April 09, 2015, 02:21:02 am
Mmmh, what about bionics you could install into people to make them your servants? Slave chips, if you will, a common theme in science fiction. Perhaps a modified version could work on goo and thus, on zeds.In general slave chips in science fiction work by exploding the heads of what you put them in if they don't comply/run away, not by actually mind controlling them. The localized blob isn't smart enough to feel the danger from that, and if mind control abilities exist they are certainly beyond the range of current human C:DDA technology (and even if they did work they might not have too much effect on the blob-infested neural tissue).
That said I could potentially see some sort of psionic short-term mind control thing from something like a horror or very high level nether creature, and possibly a very rare actual "mind control chip" in the "very expensive/very rare" migo tier (since they are slavers after all).
Post by: Majestic7 on April 09, 2015, 02:43:10 am
On a general level, I think the human mind is much easier to manipulate than is generally shown in science fiction due to our bias in believing in our own individuality. Already there have been devices like the god helmet (bad example but a popular one) which can incur, say, religious experiences in people. Using biochemical and electricity to manipulate brains directly wouldn't be a big change from that. I don't mean remote control, but more like incurring overpowering love and loyalty towards a certain person or faction. (Or overpowering animosity and hatred towards something else.) Perhaps remote control akin to piloting a drone might be possible, but what would be the point besides false flag operations? Actual drones/robots would do the same job better.
Personally, I think using such chips on a massive scale wouldn't be cost-efficient as mass media can achieve same result at less cost. However, I guess Evil Scientists might do so anyway Just Because, same for dictatorial madmen, strange cults and intelligence agencies. If cheap enough, they could be used for controlling prisoners or even "rehabilitating" them. (Forcing them to love everyone, whee!)
RE: Mi-go, it would make an interesting start, being a mi-go slave whose control fungi has died or something, allowing you to try and rebel/escape. Alternatively, being a Brain In A Jar inside a robot or something doing the same. Mi-Go should really get brain jars!
Post by: Descan on April 09, 2015, 08:47:32 am
Post by: Nighthawk on April 09, 2015, 09:34:20 am
I don't thing the Fungus and mi-go are in the same boat. I think mi-go are technological, aren't they?Nah, I'm pretty sure mi-go are netherworld creatures or whatever you want to call them. They're described as being sorta like tentacle-y crustacean thingies.
That said, the word "fungoid" is actually used in their description, if I remember correctly...
Post by: Darkmere on April 09, 2015, 09:54:08 am
Post by: scrdest on April 09, 2015, 11:44:00 am
Mi-go are intelligent fungus from pluto. Mycus is just an ecological fungal infection.In other words, Mi-Go are a fungus (or -ish, anyway), fungal zombies and their ilk are a fungus, but Mi-go =/= Fungaloids by the same rule as humans and dogs being mammals doesn't mean all humans are dogs.
Post by: martinuzz on April 09, 2015, 12:10:36 pm
Which zombie type has the highest speed?
Post by: Nighthawk on April 09, 2015, 12:12:39 pm
Slow fat zombie slave is slow. I still need to find out if you can tie them inside a vehice.Pretty sure that'd be the feral hunters.
Which zombie type has the highest speed?
Unless you can enslave Hulks. Then I think they win.
Post by: Akura on April 09, 2015, 12:54:23 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 09, 2015, 02:01:48 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 09, 2015, 02:27:34 pm
I believe right now they are part of the "NETHER" faction, but eventually I'd like to get the some more interesting relationships going between a lot of the Nether creatures (since it's essentially a "catch all" group for everything from ravenous Nether wildlife to minor factions at the moment). Mi-go aren't part of any of the "Big 3" groups (fungus, blob, and triffids), but they are certainly one of the biggest "minor players" out there right now, and they are civilized enough to open up all sorts of NPC-esque actions eventually. (Can you say Mi-go towns?)I don't thing the Fungus and mi-go are in the same boat. I think mi-go are technological, aren't they?Nah, I'm pretty sure mi-go are netherworld creatures or whatever you want to call them. They're described as being sorta like tentacle-y crustacean thingies.
That said, the word "fungoid" is actually used in their description, if I remember correctly...
How long have this enslavement thing been in the game? I don't remember seeing in previous versions. Also, how do you do it? An army of zombie mules definitively sounds useful.Z-slaves have been in the experimental since, *quickly checks Github*, early July 2014. So they've been in the experimentals for almost a year now, going in just shortly after the .A release. I believe you need a little bit of survival skill to make one as well as a zombie corpse (which is probably why you never noticed it, butchering/smashing all the corpses) and it hits you pretty hard with a morale penalty usually. Don't quote me on those requirements though, I haven't looked at that particular bit of code that much. :P
Post by: Teneb on April 09, 2015, 03:17:59 pm
Out of curiosity, how hard is it to create a new faction? Is a faction merely a tag that makes creatures belonging to it neutral to others of the same faction and hostile to those not of it, or are there more attributes than that?I believe right now they are part of the "NETHER" faction, but eventually I'd like to get the some more interesting relationships going between a lot of the Nether creatures (since it's essentially a "catch all" group for everything from ravenous Nether wildlife to minor factions at the moment). Mi-go aren't part of any of the "Big 3" groups (fungus, blob, and triffids), but they are certainly one of the biggest "minor players" out there right now, and they are civilized enough to open up all sorts of NPC-esque actions eventually. (Can you say Mi-go towns?)I don't thing the Fungus and mi-go are in the same boat. I think mi-go are technological, aren't they?Nah, I'm pretty sure mi-go are netherworld creatures or whatever you want to call them. They're described as being sorta like tentacle-y crustacean thingies.
That said, the word "fungoid" is actually used in their description, if I remember correctly...
Post by: i2amroy on April 09, 2015, 03:25:20 pm
Part of what's currently holding the idea back is the lack of a growing world. Right now for a lot of the factions you are only seeing the barest edge of them; once we have a growing world that evolves through time I'd like to expand some of them out so you can start to see more of each faction and start to see some more of the interrelations between them.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 09, 2015, 04:24:26 pm
~snip~snip~snip~wowsomanysnipsZ-slaves have been in the experimental since, *quickly checks Github*, early July 2014. So they've been in the experimentals for almost a year now, going in just shortly after the .A release. I believe you need a little bit of survival skill to make one as well as a zombie corpse (which is probably why you never noticed it, butchering/smashing all the corpses) and it hits you pretty hard with a morale penalty usually. Don't quote me on those requirements though, I haven't looked at that particular bit of code that much. :P
Oh. That was long before I started, then. I believe I got the game not too long after the 0.B release. The fact that they don't seem to be mentioned on the wiki is probably why I never noticed them. I'm definitively gonna play with that now :P
Post by: martinuzz on April 09, 2015, 05:16:40 pm
I just found a Gun Nut's basement stacked to the brim with guns and ammo. And a nodachi.
Picked what seems to be a good set to strap on. I don't think I'll fall short of gunpower on my town raids now lol
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: BFEL on April 09, 2015, 05:28:39 pm
Post by: martinuzz on April 09, 2015, 05:37:05 pm
martinuzz just so you know you can stack leather and Kevlar reinforcement, so go chop up some sneakers and throw some leather on all that shit.
Oh! That's good to know, thanks. Too bad you can't selectively remove padding, or I could add and remove fur according to the season.
Post by: Nighthawk on April 09, 2015, 05:37:55 pm
Post by: martinuzz on April 09, 2015, 05:43:09 pm
EDIT: well, except fur, I can imagine that being too hot in summer.
Post by: Nighthawk on April 09, 2015, 05:47:59 pm
Post by: BigD145 on April 09, 2015, 06:59:36 pm
Welp, looks like it's time to turn my French maid outfit into a metal-plated French maid outfit and feel like a badass.
Kevlar padding a leather corset is where it's at, ho.
Post by: Mookzen on April 09, 2015, 07:09:55 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 09, 2015, 07:20:45 pm
Post by: ejseto on April 09, 2015, 09:46:09 pm
Nope. Using a tailor's kit to add padding does not increase encumberment at all. It's awesome. No reason not to pad everything with everything.
EDIT: well, except fur, I can imagine that being too hot in summer.
In current experimentals it does increase encumbrance. I believe it's +5 for kevlar and +7 for leather.
Post by: Cheedows on April 09, 2015, 10:04:57 pm
Post by: Blaze on April 09, 2015, 10:09:52 pm
Post by: Greiger on April 09, 2015, 10:14:40 pm
I havent messed with the tailoring kit much yet myself but does it also change the warmth of the clothing? I'm not sure exactly how much materiel is being added but I would think any amount of leather significant enough to provide protection would significantly reduce the breathability of most cloth stuff. Think of a t-shirt you may be wearing now, then think of how hot that shirt would suddenly become if you even covered 50% of it with leather. Not a significant downside early, but it has potential to be a massive drawback come late spring/summer.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 09, 2015, 10:15:42 pm
Post by: etgfrog on April 09, 2015, 10:34:37 pm
Still, why line a coat with leather when you can make one of leather?Line a leather coat with leather?
Post by: Greiger on April 09, 2015, 10:46:51 pm
I of course, would not want to code something like that. :P
Post by: n9103 on April 10, 2015, 12:33:48 am
Post by: joemoben on April 10, 2015, 12:40:10 am
Post by: Emma on April 10, 2015, 02:12:11 am
I finally did get that server running with launch options (turns out cataclysm-launcher can't be fed launch parameters, my fault), so, to any interested y'can connect by ssh to cataclysm@nax.ydns.eu to play. Password's the same as the one used for DCSS, starts with a j and ends with an oshua.
It'll ask you for a username, that's to denote your character name and limit your access to only that character. I'll see about implementing a rudimentary password lock for each username later. All's on one shared world, with a few content mods turned on and no zombie revivification. It's running the latest experimental, which I'll probably recompile weekly.
Lemme know if this is helpful to anyone or if there's no real draw to a shared world server.
Huh, that's nice but why would one use this instead of a standalone?
Post by: i2amroy on April 10, 2015, 02:50:53 am
Post by: Descan on April 10, 2015, 09:51:41 am
Or you could be a sneaky little bitch and steal all her books and valuable items.
Or you could be an absolute todger and slam a burning vehicle into their hide-out. c:
Post by: BigD145 on April 10, 2015, 09:59:47 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 10, 2015, 10:24:34 am
Post by: Darkmere on April 10, 2015, 01:15:39 pm
So griefing. Got it.
Yeah. Solo it is.
Post by: puke on April 10, 2015, 03:50:01 pm
This is my feeling on basically any of the current crop of multiplayer survival games that seem to be popular at the moment. Just not interested in the grief fest. Its like UO meets Lord of the Flies but with less consequences for your behavior.
Post by: Girlinhat on April 10, 2015, 04:28:45 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 10, 2015, 04:38:11 pm
So how does new encumberance work?If Player_encumbered() == yes
then
spawn_zombies(100), run "lol_player_fucked.exe"
Post by: Descan on April 10, 2015, 05:23:23 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 10, 2015, 06:05:10 pm
Pretty sure it's exactly as the old one did, only it's more granular.This right here.
Yeah, it's kinda offensive that you think that all of us Bay12 people here are gonna be griefers by default. :P (/sarcasm)I could see doing this as an invitational, or with people I knew well. But MP DDA with strangers? No thanks.I can close it off to just Bay12 if that's what you lot are more keen on. I'm still here guys, just talk to me.
This is my feeling on basically any of the current crop of multiplayer survival games that seem to be popular at the moment. Just not interested in the grief fest. Its like UO meets Lord of the Flies but with less consequences for your behavior.
Post by: n9103 on April 10, 2015, 06:59:18 pm
Something to note though, is that this looks much better if you make sure you're using CP437 or similar, and not UTF-8 or other modern character sets, which PuTTY happens to default to.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 10, 2015, 07:05:27 pm
I'm using PuTTY. Lightweight but still customizable and highly compatible.Great! I thought I was going to be stuck with all those random characters for walls. Everything works just fine for me otherwise.
Something to note though, is that this looks much better if you make sure you're using CP437 or similar, and not UTF-8 or other modern character sets, which PuTTY happens to default to.
Edit: it seems my settings get reset every times I open PuTTY. Am I missing something or do I have to change everything back every times?
Post by: n9103 on April 10, 2015, 08:24:20 pm
If you're not going to use PuTTY for anything other than DDA, you can just save over the defaults (wouldn't recommend), otherwise you'll need to input a name into the textbox above the list then hit save.
Post by: Girlinhat on April 10, 2015, 08:29:18 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 10, 2015, 09:33:41 pm
Also IIRC food stuff works on timestamp difference, so you can end up with things where food that was on the verge of being rotten to one player is still perfectly edible to another, or things like if the spring player butchers the rabbit and then the summer player comes around the meat will suddenly turn rotten.
Post by: Baffler on April 10, 2015, 11:06:37 pm
Post by: Nighthawk on April 10, 2015, 11:07:45 pm
Just found myself boosting fabrication from 0 -> 1 by making a rock in a sock, disassembling it, then making it again, and so on until I leveled up. What kind of madman must my character be to decide it's a good idea to take one of his socks off, stuff a single rock in it, then take it out again until he comes to some insight? The image is hilarious, even more so because it worked exactly as intended.Holy crap yes, I've done that too.
*High five*
Post by: blazing glory on April 10, 2015, 11:12:33 pm
Post by: Darkmere on April 11, 2015, 12:17:48 am
Just found myself boosting fabrication from 0 -> 1 by making a rock in a sock, disassembling it, then making it again, and so on until I leveled up. What kind of madman must my character be to decide it's a good idea to take one of his socks off, stuff a single rock in it, then take it out again until he comes to some insight? The image is hilarious, even more so because it worked exactly as intended.
Okay you win. That is the laziest, most post-modern skillup journey ever. I thought banging rocks together until I suddenly understood tailoring was funny, but I got nothing on this.
Post by: scrdest on April 11, 2015, 06:13:40 am
What I take away from this is that 0 fabrication characters have a literally toddler-tier object permanence.Just found myself boosting fabrication from 0 -> 1 by making a rock in a sock, disassembling it, then making it again, and so on until I leveled up. What kind of madman must my character be to decide it's a good idea to take one of his socks off, stuff a single rock in it, then take it out again until he comes to some insight? The image is hilarious, even more so because it worked exactly as intended.
Okay you win. That is the laziest, most post-modern skillup journey ever. I thought banging rocks together until I suddenly understood tailoring was funny, but I got nothing on this.
'WHERE MY ROCK? SOCK EAT ROCK?'
*disassembles'
'YAY ROCK BACK! HAI ROCK! EES MIRACLE!'
*reassembles'
';_;'
Post by: Graknorke on April 11, 2015, 06:34:14 am
Post by: Blaze on April 11, 2015, 07:06:56 am
What I take away from this is that 0 fabrication characters have a literally toddler-tier object permanence.*Reach Level 1*
'WHERE MY ROCK? SOCK EAT ROCK?'
*disassembles'
'YAY ROCK BACK! HAI ROCK! EES MIRACLE!'
*reassembles'
';_;'
"Verily! My analytical exploits in this field of artistry has elevated my mechanical expertise to attain greater mastery!"
*Builds nail rifle*
Post by: hops on April 11, 2015, 08:23:24 am
You gotta remember that every bloody thing is a fungus in Lovecraft's stories.I don't thing the Fungus and mi-go are in the same boat. I think mi-go are technological, aren't they?Nah, I'm pretty sure mi-go are netherworld creatures or whatever you want to call them. They're described as being sorta like tentacle-y crustacean thingies.
That said, the word "fungoid" is actually used in their description, if I remember correctly...
Post by: Tawa on April 11, 2015, 08:44:10 am
This somehow puts the Mario games in an entirely new light.You gotta remember that every bloody thing is a fungus in Lovecraft's stories.I don't thing the Fungus and mi-go are in the same boat. I think mi-go are technological, aren't they?Nah, I'm pretty sure mi-go are netherworld creatures or whatever you want to call them. They're described as being sorta like tentacle-y crustacean thingies.
That said, the word "fungoid" is actually used in their description, if I remember correctly...
Post by: i2amroy on April 11, 2015, 12:15:39 pm
'WHERE MY ROCK? SOCK EAT ROCK?'For some reason I read this in a voice liken to the combining of "I am Groot" and the TF2 heavy talking about "boolits". Needless to say it made your post that much more epic. :P
*disassembles'
'YAY ROCK BACK! HAI ROCK! EES MIRACLE!'
*reassembles'
';_;'
Post by: Rince Wind on April 12, 2015, 09:47:55 am
My skilllevel is at 3 (12% towards 4) and when using a USP with underbarrel laser sight, ergonomic grip and pistol scope it won't improve ("need a more accurat weapon").
I'd understand if it wouldn't improve marksmanship anymore, but shouldn't handguns be trained?
Oh, and once you passed one threshold, can you get rid of it, or get another one? I got spider, which seemed nice, until I left webs everywhere. That was too annoying, so I drank purifiers and got back to 0, but still have the "arachnid" in my mutations. (I am out of purifier, so I don't want to try around too much.)
Post by: Darkmere on April 12, 2015, 10:05:54 am
Post by: etgfrog on April 12, 2015, 10:28:55 am
Post by: Rince Wind on April 12, 2015, 10:57:22 am
I used a different gun before (some .38 revolver) and it wouldn't train at all (was already at 3 thanks to books), and the USP brought it up by 12%, then the message came.
Post by: Tawa on April 12, 2015, 12:32:30 pm
Post by: Graknorke on April 12, 2015, 01:42:37 pm
Post by: Cheedows on April 12, 2015, 02:47:09 pm
Post by: Graknorke on April 12, 2015, 02:49:54 pm
EDIT: Also I'm sure that there were a range of guns available during the cold war, with varying accuracies.
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on April 12, 2015, 03:29:50 pm
Handguns were basically an afterthought. The US military has never really given a toss about if their soldiers were actually able to hit anything with them, as they're pretty much intended to be weapons of last resort.
Post by: scrdest on April 12, 2015, 03:42:39 pm
Used to be (both World Wars) they wanted every soldier to be a friggin' sniper - focusing on long range shots with small capacity rifles in the vain hope that they'd turn a bunch of clodhopping farmboys and functionally useless cityslickers into clones of Simo Häyhä. The history books tell us they were expending anywhere from 5,000 to 200,000 shots per kill in WWII, so obviously that didn't work out as planned.Simo Hayha WAS a clodhopping farmboy. IIRC he actually went back to that after the war. So, they seem to have been right on the money there.
Handguns were basically an afterthought. The US military has never really given a toss about if their soldiers were actually able to hit anything with them, as they're pretty much intended to be weapons of last resort.
Post by: azmodean on April 12, 2015, 04:01:13 pm
Post by: Darkmere on April 12, 2015, 04:02:16 pm
Snipers are different, obviously, but they're more fringe cases than the norm by a large margin. This whole thing is a big part of the problem in modern army life, which in part explains lots of the dehumanizing WWII era propaganda, on both sides. Jews are subhuman, the Japanese are a menace that will devour everything, westerners will eat you if you surrender, because they're cannibals. Notably the unwillingness to kill has been tampered by modern technology - most bullets from a machine gun won't hit; you don't see the splattered bits of people you bombed.
In short, it's not so much that the guns were that wildly inaccurate, but that people didn't want to hit very often.
Post by: BFEL on April 12, 2015, 04:40:45 pm
There's an innate instinctive refusal in the average human mind to consciously kill another person.
I'm pretty sure that is hopeful-hippy bullshit of the highest order for several reasons. Beyond the fact there isn't really any evolutionary advantage to NOT murdering everyone you meet (other then potential mates) there's also the sheer ENORMOUS FUCKING VOLUME of human works, such as vidya games, that focus entirely on murdering everything ever.
If anything there is an instinctive FETISH in the human mind to consciously kill another person.
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on April 12, 2015, 04:45:15 pm
Simo Hayha WAS a clodhopping farmboy. IIRC he actually went back to that after the war. So, they seem to have been right on the money there.
A semi-unique clodhopping farmboy. See also Alvin York, Audie Murphy.
The problem is that not every farmboy is capable of becoming that sort of soldier.
Post by: Fniff on April 12, 2015, 05:02:47 pm
Picture someone you know. An acquaintance, a friend, a family member, whatever. Would you kill them and feel no regret?There's an innate instinctive refusal in the average human mind to consciously kill another person.
I'm pretty sure that is hopeful-hippy bullshit of the highest order for several reasons. Beyond the fact there isn't really any evolutionary advantage to NOT murdering everyone you meet (other then potential mates) there's also the sheer ENORMOUS FUCKING VOLUME of human works, such as vidya games, that focus entirely on murdering everything ever.
If anything there is an instinctive FETISH in the human mind to consciously kill another person.
Presumably, your answer is no.
The reason for this is that back in the day, the average human only knew about 150 people in their entire lifetime. This is why our brains are wired to only picture 150 people as 'actual people' rather then a faceless crowd.
Since you know all of these people and require them to survive for both practical (More hands make light work), pragmatic (More targets means you're less likely to die), and social (People go mad without talking to others), it would be very stupid to start murdering them. In fact, if it was an advantage to kill everyone who you can't fuck, society wouldn't exist. Empathy is required for society to work.
However, now that society has ballooned at a significant rate, the numbers are different. 150 people is very, very small these days. It's a lot easier to dehumanize people these days, and the evolution of war itself is a process of distancing the soldiers from each other. It was hard for a warrior to bash his opponent's brains in with a sharp rock while his opponent screams for mercy, but the soldier of now can just squeeze a trigger at a pinprick of a target silhouetted against the horizon and feel nothing when it falls down except slight satisfaction.
And the reason why there is such a volume of works about violence is because violence is immediately satisfying. There is no delayed gratification. You punch something, they bruise. You cut them, they bleed. Murder is most satisfying when the kill is quick: the longer it takes someone to die the more unsettling the death is. This is because the gratification of the kill is delayed while you get to stew on how much pain you're causing this person.
The shorter the delay between 'effort' and 'gratification', the better. And what other action is as quick as violence?
Post by: Baffler on April 12, 2015, 05:16:18 pm
Post by: n9103 on April 12, 2015, 06:24:38 pm
Just 30 seconds of automatic fire is enough to put most machine guns into a cookoff hazard level.
(Source: Professionally melted a barrel via ammunition.)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on April 12, 2015, 06:39:02 pm
Shooting is just as much about suppression as it is about actually making kills in modern warfare. A good number of those bullets per casualty were expended keeping the enemy and his buddies' heads down. To use your WWII example, 5000 rounds is what a single active MG42 would be firing over the course of less than five minutes. And they deployed more than 400,000 of them. That's the reason the bullets/kill count is so high, I think.
Suppression and flanking is basically the essence of basic modern infantry doctrine. If you can get the enemy to keep their heads down, they can't see you and therefore can't react to your actions or return effective fire, and they probably can't move, either. After that, you get soldiers on their sides or rear where they have no cover, and you've got easy kills because they're not expecting it.
Modern doctrine relies on the MG to suppress while riflemen flank, which is the same as the doctrine used by the Allies (for the most part) in WW2.
The Germans instead preferred the opposite: riflemen suppressed while the MG flanked. That's part of the reason the MG34 and MG42 fired so rapidly: they would flank fast and spray death on the enemy.
There's no traditional machine gun in existence than can sustain a fire-rate high enough to achieve that factoid, as the barrel/chamber would melt/deform too far to function well before the 5 minutes were up.
Just 30 seconds of automatic fire is enough to put most machine guns into a cookoff hazard level.
(Source: Professionally melted a barrel via ammunition.)
The MG42 could fire 1000-1300 rounds per minute, roughly, usually averaged out at about 1200 RPM. It was theoretically capable of shooting 5000 rounds in five minutes given a constant feed of bullets, and in certain field conditions could actually do so. Doing that would be incredibly stupid, however, since it would brutally mess up the gun, usually in the way you described. The MG42, like most modern machine guns, could swap out barrels pretty quickly, though. A professional crew might not be able to make 5000 rounds in 5 minutes, but they could get close with quick barrel-swaps.
The actual practicality of doing so in a combat setting is questionable at best, however. A lot of gunners were a lot more likely to just jam their guns than actually pull off that kind of fire rate, and most MG soldiers are taught not to hold down the trigger anyway. Quick bursts are the way to go with most guns, and even the worst ammo dumps are only supposed to be particularly long bursts of 10-20 shots with short pauses between for adjustment.
Post by: ollobrains on April 12, 2015, 06:41:15 pm
Post by: Darkmere on April 12, 2015, 07:50:17 pm
There's an innate instinctive refusal in the average human mind to consciously kill another person.
I'm pretty sure that is hopeful-hippy bullshit of the highest order for several reasons. Beyond the fact there isn't really any evolutionary advantage to NOT murdering everyone you meet (other then potential mates) there's also the sheer ENORMOUS FUCKING VOLUME of human works, such as vidya games, that focus entirely on murdering everything ever.
If anything there is an instinctive FETISH in the human mind to consciously kill another person.
Look up the studies or don't, but don't insult my intelligence by claiming most of the human race can't differentiate between fantasy and reality while tossing out decades of behavioral research because you're "pretty sure" it's wrong. That wasn't really a constructive response.
Post by: etgfrog on April 12, 2015, 09:17:49 pm
Post by: Darkmere on April 12, 2015, 09:40:23 pm
Wasn't there also a draft for WW2? So you throw in alot of soldiers who didn't exactly want to be a soldier.
That was a part of the argument, yes. But the problem still persists even with a volunteer army, just not as much as before.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on April 12, 2015, 09:55:07 pm
With WW2 as an example again, most of the German forces, discounting the SS because of their ridiculous level of indoctrination, and most of the Allied forces fighting them had, at least to some degree, a sense of 'they're people we're fighting'. The Germans didn't feel that way about the Russians, however, and vice-versa. Both sides thought of one another as animals, if that well, and the sheer level of barbarity they committed towards one another was only really paralleled by the Japanese, who, between their isolation and national pride, were all too happy to maim, rape, and slaughter their way through anyone who wasn't Japanese, because, you know, they weren't human. The reverse also happened, with Allied soldiers brutalizing the SS, Fallschirmjäger, and Japanese soldiers right back when they got the chance.
Post by: puke on April 13, 2015, 02:08:15 am
I'm pretty sure that is hopeful-hippy bullshit of the highest order for several reasons. . . . If anything there is an instinctive FETISH in the human mind to consciously kill another person.
Actually not hippy bullshit at all. He is basically regurgitating information from Lt. Col. David Grossman and his books and papers "On Killing". In the modern western world, we need to go out of our way to train people to dehumanize others to the point that we are willing to kill them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killology
I'm not convinced this is universally true for the human animal. I've seen interviews with soldiers from other cultures where things we as Americans and Europeans would consider to be war crimes are common place. It's just part of doing business for some people, part of how they war. Their opponents would do the same to them, so you aren't serious about winning if you're not raping and torturing and mutilating the civilian population that supports the enemy war machine.
Keep in mind that our own (western) collective cultural consciousness is based on THOUSANDS of years of international treaties and agreements designed to limit the horrors of war, as well as the economic and civilian impact of warring states. People are reluctant to kill within their own tribe, and we have spent enormous effort extending the definition of that tribe to encompass neighboring nations, people that follow the same god, or really anyone who sort of looks vaguely like us and does not sound to funny. Now we need to work to undo that conditioning.
So what Darkmere and Grossman are on about -- while it sounds universal -- I think is specifically relevant to western culture. And post 1000 AD western culture at that. Asia and Africa seem to have their own thing going on, and I'm not enough of a scholar in those areas to have an educated opinion except to say that it probably isn't fair to measure with the same stick.
Of course I'm just an armchair philosopher, if you want to read about this stuff you should pick up Grossman's books instead of talking to random nerds on the internet.
Post by: Majestic7 on April 13, 2015, 02:13:52 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 13, 2015, 10:46:20 am
You'd be surprised at how capable people are at de-humanizing other people in their minds. Military uniforms especially help to blur what might be seen as distinct people you might care about into a big mess of 'they're the enemy, shoot them'. With proper propaganda and other forms of social engineering, you can make people willing to accept anything, if you don't make them outright comfortable with the idea.
I definitively agree with this. I'd point out the red scare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare) that happened during the cold war as an example, as it is still effective today despite the fact that it became completely irrelevant after the end of the cold war.
Post by: BigD145 on April 13, 2015, 10:57:48 am
Post by: Nighthawk on April 13, 2015, 02:37:59 pm
I love this forum.
Post by: Kaitol on April 13, 2015, 03:45:32 pm
Post by: BFEL on April 13, 2015, 04:10:25 pm
I'm not convinced this is universally true for the human animal.
This is more or less what I was trying (and obviously failing) to state earlier. Yeah you have the modern western tendency, but I was going by a more universal "all points of history x all regions of the globe" thing.
I'm just gonna be that guy and say both sides are most likely equally wrong and equally right, and the answer probably lies somewhere in the middle.I believe there is a phrase for this, some folly or other about thinking everything is in the middle.
BFEL is argumentative
Post by: scrdest on April 13, 2015, 04:18:40 pm
Golden Mean Fallacy.I'm just gonna be that guy and say both sides are most likely equally wrong and equally right, and the answer probably lies somewhere in the middle.I believe there is a phrase for this, some folly or other about thinking everything is in the middle.
Post by: BFEL on April 13, 2015, 04:20:58 pm
Thank you.Golden Mean Fallacy.I'm just gonna be that guy and say both sides are most likely equally wrong and equally right, and the answer probably lies somewhere in the middle.I believe there is a phrase for this, some folly or other about thinking everything is in the middle.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on April 13, 2015, 05:54:29 pm
Anyway, I noticed something unusual with Zombie Scientists: they seem to spawn an excessive amount of manhacks. For comparison, in older versions, an individual scientist would send out an average of about one to two manhacks, tops, even after hours of aggro. Compare that to their most recent incarnation, where they shoot out dozens, literally dozens within a short span of time. This gets especially ridiculous during lab raids, where they could fill entire rooms with manhacks to lag inducing levels.
Just thought I'd share that.
Post by: Nighthawk on April 13, 2015, 06:01:38 pm
Haven't played in a bout a month, so I'm not sure if the following has changed.Luckily, I think this issue has already been discussed on the forums, and a fix will undoubtedly be in by the next stable.
Anyway, I noticed something unusual with Zombie Scientists: they seem to spawn an excessive amount of manhacks. For comparison, in older versions, an individual scientist would send out an average of about one to two manhacks, tops, even after hours of aggro. Compare that to their most recent incarnation, where they shoot out dozens, literally dozens within a short span of time. This gets especially ridiculous during lab raids, where they could fill entire rooms with manhacks to lag inducing levels.
Just thought I'd share that.
(I'm pretty sure they'll spawn an UNLIMITED amount of manhacks, actually...)
Post by: Dorsidwarf on April 13, 2015, 06:47:49 pm
I would just like to take the moment to point out (with equal parts amusement and admiration) that this thread, originally about a zombie apocalypse themed roguelike, has spawned almost a page and a half of debate and discussion regarding war, man's tendencies toward violence, and dehumanization.I'm pretty sure those are some of the key themes behind the zombie apolcalypse anyway.
I love this forum.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 13, 2015, 07:09:25 pm
Haven't played in a bout a month, so I'm not sure if the following has changed.
Anyway, I noticed something unusual with Zombie Scientists: they seem to spawn an excessive amount of manhacks. For comparison, in older versions, an individual scientist would send out an average of about one to two manhacks, tops, even after hours of aggro. Compare that to their most recent incarnation, where they shoot out dozens, literally dozens within a short span of time. This gets especially ridiculous during lab raids, where they could fill entire rooms with manhacks to lag inducing levels.
Just thought I'd share that.
Your story inspired me to draw this:
(http://i.imgur.com/yAOvCvk.png)
Post by: azmodean on April 14, 2015, 02:51:26 am
Luckily, I think this issue has already been discussed on the forums, and a fix will undoubtedly be in by the next stable.Yea, unlimited. As cool as that is ( :D ), we'll be giving them an ammo count or similar. It's not a new bug, it's just that before they were only doing it at the player, who would either kill or be killed, so the bug wouldn't be apparent.
(I'm pretty sure they'll spawn an UNLIMITED amount of manhacks, actually...)
It's true, also alienation* from our fellow man, fear of science (zombie is the new Frankenstein's monster), fear of the military (soldiers are zombies), and let's not forget good old fashioned cannibalism.I would just like to take the moment to point out (with equal parts amusement and admiration) that this thread, originally about a zombie apocalypse themed roguelike, has spawned almost a page and a half of debate and discussion regarding war, man's tendencies toward violence, and dehumanization.I'm pretty sure those are some of the key themes behind the zombie apolcalypse anyway.
*Similar to dehumanization, but not quite the same.
Post by: martinuzz on April 14, 2015, 05:52:24 am
It's true, also alienation* from our fellow man, fear of science (zombie is the new Frankenstein's monster), fear of the military (soldiers are zombies), and let's not forget good old fashioned cannibalism.
*Similar to dehumanization, but not quite the same.
TASTES LIKE CHICKEN!!!
Post by: puke on April 14, 2015, 07:48:35 am
That, or the wrong kind of chickens. Hard to say which.
Post by: martinuzz on April 14, 2015, 08:05:13 am
You've been eating the wrong kind of people if they taste like chicken.Well yeah, I was just joking.
That, or the wrong kind of chickens. Hard to say which.
If I have to believe my grandfather though, whose dad was a social anthropologist in the early half of the 20th century, human flesh tastes like sweetened porc meat.
He had to eat some during a first contact mission with natives in French Guyana. Matter of politeness, and fear of being eaten themselves if they refused the offered meal XD
I still have their longbow and poisoned arrow tips. It got passed down to me through the generations. They used nearly 7 feet long bows (the natives themselves being a short people making this even more amazing, and the fact that they drew the string while holding the bow over their heads makes it completely awesome) with curare tipped arrows to shoot monkeys from trees.
Post by: BFEL on April 14, 2015, 09:09:17 am
human flesh tastes like sweetened pork meat.
Pretty much everything I've ever heard on the subject confirms this.
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 14, 2015, 09:11:50 am
Time for empirical research! Break out the pots boys, meat's back on the menu!human flesh tastes like sweetened pork meat.
Pretty much everything I've ever heard on the subject confirms this.
Post by: Nighthawk on April 14, 2015, 09:23:31 am
LotR reference (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lco9Ki-5qfQ). Respect +2.Time for empirical research! Break out the pots boys, meat's back on the menu!human flesh tastes like sweetened pork meat.
Pretty much everything I've ever heard on the subject confirms this.
Post by: TempAcc on April 14, 2015, 09:49:08 am
EDIT: apparently eating brains causes the disease. Good, meaty parts are fine to eat.
Post by: puke on April 14, 2015, 09:57:48 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 14, 2015, 10:52:32 am
I'm hearing an uncomfortable lot of elf talk in this thread...
Nah, it's fine as long as we do it for science :P
Post by: Baffler on April 14, 2015, 12:28:10 pm
Post by: Puzzlemaker on April 14, 2015, 12:37:30 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 14, 2015, 01:31:51 pm
Don't you see, that's how it starts! First we're just experimenting, next thing we know we're going to war to stop the genocidal campaign people conduct against their own front lawns.
I say we eradicate all form of nature before we become cannibal. That way there won't be any way for us to turn into elves!
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 14, 2015, 01:51:06 pm
So basically Drow?Don't you see, that's how it starts! First we're just experimenting, next thing we know we're going to war to stop the genocidal campaign people conduct against their own front lawns.
I say we eradicate all form of nature before we become cannibal. That way there won't be any way for us to turn into elves!
Post by: Azated on April 14, 2015, 07:17:36 pm
Also, quick question, bricks. How even do they work and where do I get clay?
Post by: Baffler on April 14, 2015, 07:20:14 pm
Post by: Sheb on April 15, 2015, 12:29:01 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 15, 2015, 05:21:35 am
My latest attempt at a survivor (ballroom dancer, rather) is doing rather well in the surviving thing. It's been twelve days, and he's still not dead.
The starting conditions were pretty much perfect though. Stocked shelter (with just a pair of zombies), giant wasp infestation around it (killed many many zombies before leaving just one wasp on the fringes of the immediate area), right on the edge of a town with tons of good loot... it's quite peachy so far. Used a longbow for a long time before switching to a crossbow. Arrows break constantly, and fletching is a pain. Metal bolts almost never break, and damage is good. Plus bow damage isn't great at 6 strength. :P
Post by: scrdest on April 15, 2015, 05:37:09 am
For a couple minutes, I though someone had added a brick kiln as a weapon you could use to shoot bricks.That would be a Brick Kill-n. And I will now use it on myself for coming up with that pun.
Post by: n9103 on April 15, 2015, 09:37:20 am
Anyway, back on topic, any interesting features added for the next release/experimentals lately?
Post by: Sheb on April 15, 2015, 11:22:40 am
Post by: Darkmere on April 15, 2015, 03:27:48 pm
So, Id like to try a pure wilderness survival run, but Im worried Ill be stuck at some point for lack of recipe. Is it so?
Depends on what you want to accomplish and how strict you are. You won't be able to preserve food and winter will be brutal when most of your food is hibernating or has turned and eats you back. No first aid, no bandages, no vitamins. It'll take ages to get far enough to make decent armor, and lots of wild animals are faster than you, so you'll likely get an early infection unless you start sheltered and limit yourself to the LMOE stocks, which probably defeats the purpose.
Pure survival is probably possible, though. Just not easy.
Post by: beorn080 on April 15, 2015, 03:42:59 pm
Advanced inventory management , / key, now has a worn tab, for easy doffing and donning of garments. However, using this tab allows any item to be picked up, regardless of volume and only slightly limited by weight, and does not actually pick up said item, merely cloning it. A few fun uses are cloning zombie scientist corpses for CBMs, unlimited ammo/LAW rockets/batteries/drugs/landmines, and making massive swarms of zombies/spitters/hulks/masters/necromancers to fuel you're one man fist punch training regime.
Post by: BigD145 on April 15, 2015, 04:09:48 pm
So, I just found a rather hilarious and awesome bug, that I am loathe to share due to its fun potential.
Advanced inventory management , / key, now has a worn tab, for easy doffing and donning of garments. However, using this tab allows any item to be picked up, regardless of volume and only slightly limited by weight, and does not actually pick up said item, merely cloning it. A few fun uses are cloning zombie scientist corpses for CBMs, unlimited ammo/LAW rockets/batteries/drugs/landmines, and making massive swarms of zombies/spitters/hulks/masters/necromancers to fuel you're one man fist punch training regime.
Ah, it's not destroying non-clothing items probably.
Post by: Dorsidwarf on April 15, 2015, 06:08:07 pm
So, I just found a rather hilarious and awesome bug, that I am loathe to share due to its fun potential.
Advanced inventory management , / key, now has a worn tab, for easy doffing and donning of garments. However, using this tab allows any item to be picked up, regardless of volume and only slightly limited by weight, and does not actually pick up said item, merely cloning it. A few fun uses are cloning zombie scientist corpses for CBMs, unlimited ammo/LAW rockets/batteries/drugs/landmines, and making massive swarms of zombies/spitters/hulks/masters/necromancers to fuel you're one man fist punch training regime.
Bay12: Where item duplication glitches are used to clone lethal zombie hordes to be beaten to death with the bare hands.
Post by: ollobrains on April 15, 2015, 06:14:55 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 15, 2015, 07:12:16 pm
so we can expect that bug fixed in the next version. Any NPC improvements-new things on the horizonNot really, but z-levels keeps climbing slowly closer and closer to release thanks to the efforts of Coolthulu. :D
Post by: Nighthawk on April 15, 2015, 09:39:44 pm
HYPE.so we can expect that bug fixed in the next version. Any NPC improvements-new things on the horizonNot really, but z-levels keeps climbing slowly closer and closer to release thanks to the efforts of Coolthulu. :D
I'm already excited as heck for the stamina changes (which are adding some awesome depth to the game even in this early experimental state), but Z-levels? I'm more excited than a survivor on meth and toast'ems.
Post by: Darkmere on April 16, 2015, 01:12:45 pm
Post by: Blaze on April 16, 2015, 01:15:44 pm
Post by: BFEL on April 16, 2015, 01:24:50 pm
BFEL isn't entirely as hyped as errybody else is for this. While I like the few current implementations of Z-levels, I have a HUGE fear that it might turn into DF adventure mode where I can't tell where anything is because every single square of the map is a different height and you can only see stuff on your own height...so we can expect that bug fixed in the next version. Any NPC improvements-new things on the horizonNot really, but z-levels keeps climbing slowly closer and closer to release thanks to the efforts of Coolthulu. :D
Post by: BigD145 on April 16, 2015, 02:22:25 pm
BFEL isn't entirely as hyped as errybody else is for this. While I like the few current implementations of Z-levels, I have a HUGE fear that it might turn into DF adventure mode where I can't tell where anything is because every single square of the map is a different height and you can only see stuff on your own height...so we can expect that bug fixed in the next version. Any NPC improvements-new things on the horizonNot really, but z-levels keeps climbing slowly closer and closer to release thanks to the efforts of Coolthulu. :D
What? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=138754.0)
Post by: martinuzz on April 16, 2015, 05:10:36 pm
I shall call it it Kinky Kungfu
Post by: i2amroy on April 16, 2015, 05:35:10 pm
Actually being able to see and interact with other levels is one of the defining requirements for an actual z-level implementation.BFEL isn't entirely as hyped as errybody else is for this. While I like the few current implementations of Z-levels, I have a HUGE fear that it might turn into DF adventure mode where I can't tell where anything is because every single square of the map is a different height and you can only see stuff on your own height...so we can expect that bug fixed in the next version. Any NPC improvements-new things on the horizonNot really, but z-levels keeps climbing slowly closer and closer to release thanks to the efforts of Coolthulu. :D
It might also be worthwhile to note that the current "z-levels mod" that you see is not in any real way related to the current z-levels being worked on. The current z-levels being worked on is basically invisible front he player's point of view; even if you turn the option on it won't make any difference to the player, it's totally for testing backend implementations at the moment.
Post by: azmodean on April 16, 2015, 10:51:21 pm
1. We aren't going to be doing "rolling hills" like DF does, at least for the first implementation, it's still going to be unnaturally flat, but just with specific features like multistory buildings that take advantage of upper levels.
2. If we can't do significantly better than DF with the visibility of more dynamic terrain like hills and ditches, it's not going to get mainlined.
This isn't a dig at DF, I think the DF implementation is doing what Toady wants it to, I just think DDA needs more situational awareness.
Post by: BFEL on April 17, 2015, 06:09:30 am
Post by: Iceblaster on April 17, 2015, 08:15:45 am
With melee skill at 11, dodge at 5, and bashing at 3, air filtration CBM and dielectric capacitance system CBM, it is entirely feasible to stroll through a minor city wearing nothing but a bondage suit and bondage mask (admittedly, studded with kevlar and leather) while wielding a vibrator as a melee weapon.
I shall call it it Kinky Kungfu
Welcome to the Third Street Saints my friend!
:P
Aaaanyways, I haven't played if forever. Been wondering...
How does the dino mod spawn dinosaurs? I've played on a world with that on before and only ever found them in swamps.
I want my damn t-rex chase :P
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 17, 2015, 08:21:42 am
Post by: BigD145 on April 17, 2015, 09:20:34 am
With melee skill at 11, dodge at 5, and bashing at 3, air filtration CBM and dielectric capacitance system CBM, it is entirely feasible to stroll through a minor city wearing nothing but a bondage suit and bondage mask (admittedly, studded with kevlar and leather) while wielding a vibrator as a melee weapon.
I shall call it it Kinky Kungfu
Welcome to the Third Street Saints my friend!
:P
Aaaanyways, I haven't played if forever. Been wondering...
How does the dino mod spawn dinosaurs? I've played on a world with that on before and only ever found them in swamps.
I want my damn t-rex chase :P
They only spawn in swamps and those wildlife centers that are brown buildings on the map.
Post by: beorn080 on April 17, 2015, 10:55:07 pm
Edit: This is only the 'a'll square setting. When using the 'd'ragged setting, items are removed properly. And the specific square commands don't see vehicle containers at all.
Post by: i2amroy on April 18, 2015, 05:55:15 am
Post by: martinuzz on April 18, 2015, 06:24:33 am
We've got upgrading zombies over time in the experimentals now (or at least in another half hour or so after this post when the experimental finishes compiling)! It's a fairly basic implementation, and I'm sure you guys will find all sorts of things wrong with it, but thanks to the perseverance of one Frost-wood it's now in the game. :DThat's awesome!
Next: mutating zombies?
Post by: pedrousz on April 18, 2015, 10:44:57 am
Post by: Sheb on April 18, 2015, 11:19:25 am
Post by: Greiger on April 18, 2015, 01:04:37 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 18, 2015, 03:45:14 pm
Since the most terrain will probably be flat what is the purpose of z-level? I might be a dumbass but couldn't you guys keeping using z-levels like with basements?The current z-level implementation (which is also used in the "z-levels mod") is, to put it bluntly, absolutely horrible. It was very full of hacks, which meant that if you wanted to add anything cool to the system (like shooting monsters from a roof, or zombies that fall off things actually landing on the ground, or things not ending up "flying" because they don't fall properly) it was basically impossible just due to the sheer amount of hackery involved.
Something like 60% of the z-levels stuff just involved cutting out the sheer number of hacks that used to be in place and replacing them with a sensible system.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 18, 2015, 03:50:24 pm
It's also apparently impossible to freeze to death.
Post by: Gentlefish on April 18, 2015, 04:25:59 pm
Post by: ollobrains on April 18, 2015, 04:38:00 pm
Post by: Akura on April 19, 2015, 10:24:49 am
Is there anyway to heal NPCs? She was hurt mostly by spending several turns in an acid pool, and after getting a good night's rest I saw her pain penalty was still the same. I'd give her some aspirin, but I can't trade aspirin for some reason.
Post by: Darkmere on April 19, 2015, 03:20:25 pm
Post by: Sheb on April 19, 2015, 03:22:57 pm
Post by: martinuzz on April 19, 2015, 04:49:51 pm
I recruited an NPC. I'm glad to see that my new best friend is not stealing my shit, I've had problems with that in the past.
Is there anyway to heal NPCs? She was hurt mostly by spending several turns in an acid pool, and after getting a good night's rest I saw her pain penalty was still the same. I'd give her some aspirin, but I can't trade aspirin for some reason.
You must be lucky, or I missed an update. Last I know NPCs still steal your stuff, unless you put it in a sealed crate
Post by: Zireael on April 20, 2015, 05:56:30 am
Two bottles of clean water, tailor kit, glowstick, Under the Hood, Tao of the Handgun, some more tins and cans and two guns (44 and 223) in the basement, which has beds to boot.
Looks like it'll be my base once the immediate area is safe.
Post by: Silicoid on April 20, 2015, 03:41:16 pm
You now can, I added upon request the ability for a monster to upgrade into a specific monster in addition to the ability to select from a group. Now that we can have more difficult monsters, there should be pr's of more monsters. In fact, PropaneSoup has pr'ed two monsters that are mutations to existing monsters.We've got upgrading zombies over time in the experimentals now (or at least in another half hour or so after this post when the experimental finishes compiling)! It's a fairly basic implementation, and I'm sure you guys will find all sorts of things wrong with it, but thanks to the perseverance of one Frost-wood it's now in the game. :DThat's awesome!
Next: mutating zombies?
Post by: ollobrains on April 20, 2015, 05:11:12 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 20, 2015, 05:21:23 pm
Post by: Tnx on April 20, 2015, 07:51:22 pm
We've got upgrading zombies over time in the experimentals now (or at least in another half hour or so after this post when the experimental finishes compiling)! It's a fairly basic implementation, and I'm sure you guys will find all sorts of things wrong with it, but thanks to the perseverance of one Frost-wood it's now in the game. :D
Any place with details and roadmap on this feature?
Post by: i2amroy on April 20, 2015, 08:40:20 pm
Put these onto your monster
Code: [Select]
"upgrades_into": "insert monster id or mon_group id here",
"upgrade_min": X, // Day on which the monsters will start to upgrade
"half_life": X, // half life of the monster upgrade, works like radioactive decay
"base_upgrade_chance": X, // Modifies the half life equation to be (X+base_chance) per half life, if given without a "half_life" then it becomes (chance per day)Roadmap:
Whatever people decide to come up with.
I don't know if you've noted this, but C:DDA development is kinda open ended in a lot of cases. :P Since we just have a bunch of volunteers we tend to list development plans in terms of things we'd like to eventually go in, but we don't really have a particular roadmap because all it really does on a project like this is promote burnout and prevent people from wanting to help contribute to the project. In this case we have some rather basic outlines about how we'd like to eventually have upgrading zombies and monsters (which we now do), but not much beyond that.
Post by: Tnx on April 20, 2015, 10:31:13 pm
Post by: ollobrains on April 21, 2015, 12:36:50 am
Post by: Teneb on April 21, 2015, 12:00:53 pm
Post by: BigD145 on April 21, 2015, 12:03:55 pm
Found a LMOE shelter in a forest. I guess I just found my new permanent base. Since I've never done anything like that before, is it possible to make some kind of electrical lighting for the interior?
Lots of ways. You can use a car frame and a few different kinds of lights. There's light strips for just dropping on the ground as well. With removable batteries you could have a solar car outside and a light car inside. "Car" potentially being nothing but a few frames.
Post by: Teneb on April 21, 2015, 12:04:52 pm
I should have specified, but "inside" is underground, so I doubt a solar car would work, since going underground seems to freeze the surface and the other way around if I'm on the surface. Thanks for the rest of the ideas though.Found a LMOE shelter in a forest. I guess I just found my new permanent base. Since I've never done anything like that before, is it possible to make some kind of electrical lighting for the interior?
Lots of ways. You can use a car frame and a few different kinds of lights. There's light strips for just dropping on the ground as well. With removable batteries you could have a solar car outside and a light car inside. "Car" potentially being nothing but a few frames.
Post by: Rince Wind on April 21, 2015, 12:11:30 pm
Post by: Sheb on April 21, 2015, 12:14:59 pm
You also have gasoline-powered lantern, but I don't know if they last for long.
Post by: Blaze on April 21, 2015, 12:21:01 pm
If you're looking for gas mileage for lighting, you're better off with a engine+alternator and a dome light. Lamp oil though, comes in abundance if you have the recipe that uses tainted fat.
Post by: Teneb on April 21, 2015, 12:27:39 pm
Post by: Blaze on April 21, 2015, 12:35:54 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 21, 2015, 12:43:46 pm
Post by: Blaze on April 21, 2015, 12:49:23 pm
Source: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/10086
Post by: BigD145 on April 21, 2015, 12:54:34 pm
I should have specified, but "inside" is underground, so I doubt a solar car would work, since going underground seems to freeze the surface and the other way around if I'm on the surface. Thanks for the rest of the ideas though.Found a LMOE shelter in a forest. I guess I just found my new permanent base. Since I've never done anything like that before, is it possible to make some kind of electrical lighting for the interior?
Lots of ways. You can use a car frame and a few different kinds of lights. There's light strips for just dropping on the ground as well. With removable batteries you could have a solar car outside and a light car inside. "Car" potentially being nothing but a few frames.
I'm talking about battery operated light. You can charge your battery outside and take it inside.
Post by: beorn080 on April 21, 2015, 01:12:51 pm
Post by: Darkmere on April 21, 2015, 01:32:52 pm
All that requires quite a bit of vehicle scrapping to establish though, so early going oil lamps are probably the most efficient, provided you can find triffids or fat-yielding zombies.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 21, 2015, 01:59:42 pm
Post by: BFEL on April 21, 2015, 03:56:24 pm
provided you can find triffids or fat-yielding zombies.What game are you playing that you WOULDN'T find fat-yielding zombies? :P
Post by: Aseaheru on April 21, 2015, 05:07:24 pm
Just a quick question: Can I use trash cans as containers to store water from funnels?Not unless its now an item instead or furniture. the only structure that can hold water is the keg, and I dont think you can put a funnel on one.
Post by: Darkmere on April 21, 2015, 05:26:31 pm
provided you can find triffids or fat-yielding zombies.What game are you playing that you WOULDN'T find fat-yielding zombies? :P
I can make no argument against this logic. I am slain.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 22, 2015, 02:32:18 am
Post by: Sheb on April 22, 2015, 03:11:59 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 22, 2015, 03:44:45 am
(speaking of which, grenade launcher turrets are foldable, but tiny engines are not. What the.)
Post by: Gamerlord on April 22, 2015, 04:07:12 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 22, 2015, 04:43:48 am
And sure, it probably wouldn't take long to just bolt on the engine and tank after the motor-less vehicle is unfolded, then cut them off and stow everything back again, but it just seems like a waste. Why have to do that when the engine in question is small enough to fit in a chainsaw?
Post by: ejseto on April 22, 2015, 04:46:46 am
The problem is that, for whatever reason, none of the motors and engines are foldable. Not even the sub-liter 1-cylinder ones you would get from i.e. a chainsaw. Tanks as well. Is that a design decision, or will there be technical issues if I just slap the foldable flag on the 1-cylinder engine and the little gas tank?
It's a design decision. You can easily disable the checks if you understand a little code. I made it so I can fold any vehicle and made it have 0 volume and weight so I can carry around my mobile base. Heh.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 22, 2015, 04:54:13 am
Post by: ollobrains on April 22, 2015, 06:05:04 am
Post by: Xardalas on April 22, 2015, 06:29:42 am
Post by: BFEL on April 22, 2015, 09:07:28 am
so in the latest experimental what should one do in the first few days.Kill Zombies
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 22, 2015, 09:12:25 am
Also Find Foodso in the latest experimental what should one do in the first few days.Kill Zombies
Post by: Gamerlord on April 22, 2015, 10:07:45 am
Forget food, find yourself a place to sleep first off. Then short term food, then tools.Also Find Foodso in the latest experimental what should one do in the first few days.Kill Zombies
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 22, 2015, 10:23:57 am
I almost always get hungry/thirsty before I get tired. And finding a place to sleep isn't too hard so long as there isn't a swarm on.Forget food, find yourself a place to sleep first off. Then short term food, then tools.Also Find Foodso in the latest experimental what should one do in the first few days.Kill Zombies
Post by: Nuttycompa on April 22, 2015, 10:35:04 am
I would recommend do it all at night.Forget food, find yourself a place to sleep first off. Then short term food, then tools.Also Find Foodso in the latest experimental what should one do in the first few days.Kill Zombies
Post by: Descan on April 22, 2015, 11:12:55 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 22, 2015, 12:20:21 pm
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It's so simple, yet so useful. I could probably make do with something powered by a foot crank if I could find/make one, and not need to modify game files. It's essentially a Segway. A unicycle Segway. It easily outpaces any quick monsters, matches pace with the slower ones, and allows me to do drive-bys with a pneumatic bolt thrower, reloading without stopping. And since it's basically a lawnmower, I can just heft it into the back of my truck and keep it with me and ready to use at all times. Very, very useful.
Post by: Fniff on April 22, 2015, 12:21:51 pm
Congratulations.
Post by: Nighthawk on April 22, 2015, 01:13:02 pm
My segway
I know in my heart they think I'm white
Just white and nerday~"
Post by: Xardalas on April 22, 2015, 01:39:14 pm
At the four day mark and I've killed a couple of T-rexes with a crossbow. Pretty nicely kitted out, although I am missing a few tools. Unforunately, I am way out in the middle of nowhere, so I'm trying to build up enough sealed stomachs to carry a large amount of water so I can travel from here.
I need to get the tools to get working on a damn vehicle of some sort.
Post by: ollobrains on April 22, 2015, 04:37:18 pm
I guess staying in one place isnt a good idea, cant get wood form trees etc so cant build the starting bunker, guess i could disassemble some of the storage cupboards etc. What this game needs i the ability to build a series of interconnected bases that one could run back and forward slowly expanding ones footprint ( then i leans towards a survival 4x of sorts)
Still development is ongoing just need to find some axes-saws around a starting area so i can build
Post by: Teneb on April 22, 2015, 05:59:37 pm
EDIT: There appear to be, at least, slightly over
Post by: Xardalas on April 22, 2015, 06:14:12 pm
Earlier I asked about fungaloids and was to just avoid them. So I did. Now, however, they are surrounding my shelter. Any way to eliminate them efficiently? Every time I kill one, three to four seem to pop out. I have a revolver, broadsword and lighter when it comes to weapons.
EDIT: There appear to be, at least, slightly over 100 fungaloids. I'm torn between fighting with the sword and antifungals or just burning down the forest while holing up in the tiny surface part of the shelter.
Fire. Fire is your friend. Napalm the forest!
Post by: Teneb on April 22, 2015, 06:26:35 pm
Post by: Sindain on April 22, 2015, 06:33:04 pm
Apparently fire can burn solid rock, filling my hidey hole with thick smoke. It seems I have a problem.
I once burned down the inside of a military bunker
Post by: Teneb on April 22, 2015, 06:38:52 pm
It started raining. It put out all fires... except the rock fires. I guess I will just gen a new world after committing suicide with this character. The loss of my bunker is too much for me to bear.Apparently fire can burn solid rock, filling my hidey hole with thick smoke. It seems I have a problem.
I once burned down the inside of a military bunker
Post by: Xardalas on April 22, 2015, 07:17:30 pm
I've just been leaving engraved sticks where there bodies lay.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 22, 2015, 07:29:23 pm
How hard would it be for someone to add in a new buildable construction? Like a simple grave marker or something you could inscribe? Coming across all sorts of bodies from other players on the multiplayer server. I think it would be neat to put up a little grave marker for them. Just something simple, like two sticks or such.You could build a sign. Three sticks (well, two by fours), six nails.
I've just been leaving engraved sticks where there bodies lay.
Post by: Xardalas on April 22, 2015, 07:36:14 pm
How hard would it be for someone to add in a new buildable construction? Like a simple grave marker or something you could inscribe? Coming across all sorts of bodies from other players on the multiplayer server. I think it would be neat to put up a little grave marker for them. Just something simple, like two sticks or such.You could build a sign. Three sticks (well, two by fours), six nails.
I've just been leaving engraved sticks where there bodies lay.
Oh neat, sorry, I must of missed that in the construction menu. That'll work out nicely.
Post by: Spehss _ on April 22, 2015, 09:13:12 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on April 22, 2015, 09:15:31 pm
Tips for a beginner?
Two. Words.
KNIFE SPEAR
Although Karate/Krav Maga work pretty well too, KNIFE SPEAR is the best starting weapon. I've heard some kind of new-fangled "Spear with forks in" is also apparently pretty good, so you may want to investigate that as well.
Post by: NullForceOmega on April 22, 2015, 09:18:08 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on April 22, 2015, 09:24:39 pm
WHAT LEVEL IS NEEDED FOR KNIFE SPEAR? IT'S NOT AVAILABLE WITH 0 SKILL AND I THOUGHT IT WAS STANDARD META TACTICS TO START WITH NO SKILL AND WORK YOUR WAY UP.Tips for a beginner?
Two. Words.
KNIFE SPEAR
Although Karate/Krav Maga work pretty well too, KNIFE SPEAR is the best starting weapon. I've heard some kind of new-fangled "Spear with forks in" is also apparently pretty good, so you may want to investigate that as well.
I know everyone here proclaims KNIFE SPEAR from the bottom of their dark hearts, but my successful runs always seem to use crowbar or STEEL CHAIN.Yeah, my go to starting weapon last I played (many versions ago) was a makeshift crowbar. My one character (out of 3) that tried using it against some kreks got splatted due to "over-encumbrance" in the chest throwing them off balance despite the only things they had on the chest was a long sleeve shirt and a makeshift blanket-bag-pouch-thing.
Post by: Cheedows on April 22, 2015, 09:26:46 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on April 22, 2015, 09:32:34 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on April 22, 2015, 09:56:21 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on April 22, 2015, 10:04:22 pm
WHAT LEVEL IS NEEDED FOR KNIFE SPEAR? IT'S NOT AVAILABLE WITH 0 SKILL AND I THOUGHT IT WAS STANDARD META TACTICS TO START WITH NO SKILL AND WORK YOUR WAY UP.Tips for a beginner?
Two. Words.
KNIFE SPEAR
Although Karate/Krav Maga work pretty well too, KNIFE SPEAR is the best starting weapon. I've heard some kind of new-fangled "Spear with forks in" is also apparently pretty good, so you may want to investigate that as well.
You need 1 or 2 Survival to make it. Plus Survival is useful for tons of other useful stuff[Like surviving, for example].
How do run.
No idea. Haven't played the new version with the stamina system and such.
Post by: Spehss _ on April 22, 2015, 10:12:19 pm
How do run.
No idea. Haven't played the new version with the stamina system and such.
Looking through the keybindings and stuff and I'm not seeing any obvious key to turn on a "run mode" or anything. Could've sworn something like that existed.
Having a hard time getting starting gear. Having to fight zombies, doesn't seem to be going well. Had to light 2 brush fires to kill 2 tough zombies, got various nicks and scratches. There's other shit like clumps of zombies, or zombie dogs, all of which I don't want to deal with, but I need loot.
Post by: Baffler on April 22, 2015, 10:14:48 pm
Actually, I was thinking of doing an underground living type challenge and was wondering about long term lighting solutions. Solar is my go-to, but I suspect I'd have some difficulty finding a source of solar power in my cave. Will I asphyxiate or something if I try to use a combustion engine, or is that not a viable solution long-term?
Post by: Xardalas on April 22, 2015, 10:20:13 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on April 22, 2015, 10:27:21 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on April 22, 2015, 11:09:43 pm
Also, run key is
Code: [Select]
"
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 22, 2015, 11:11:30 pm
Post by: BigD145 on April 22, 2015, 11:48:26 pm
I used a dinosaur suit recently, and the 100% coverage is a great thing to have. Almost every hit were blocked by the suit.
Kevlar scales, dude.
Post by: Darkmere on April 22, 2015, 11:59:33 pm
Geez, you guys work to build vehicles? I usually just find a field or abandoned building outside of town and build a progressively more heavily fortified compound (if I live long enough to worry about such things.) The most I do for vehicles is stationary stuff. I did solar powered turrets once, and a powered minifridge + "onboard" chemistry lab kitchen, but all with rather limited success.
Actually, I was thinking of doing an underground living type challenge and was wondering about long term lighting solutions. Solar is my go-to, but I suspect I'd have some difficulty finding a source of solar power in my cave. Will I asphyxiate or something if I try to use a combustion engine, or is that not a viable solution long-term?
Yes, a gas generator in an enclosed space will generate smoke that will kill you or, if you have a gas mask, obscure your vision. Ventilate properly!
Re: vehicles: It's not a real cata game until you've made an armor plated multiple-engine reinforced mobile fortress with all the comforts of home and a few thousand storage units. Quit being an elf and get with the program. :P
Post by: Spehss _ on April 23, 2015, 12:26:09 am
Post by: Descan on April 23, 2015, 01:05:27 am
Having a hard time getting starting gear. Having to fight zombies, doesn't seem to be going well. Had to light 2 brush fires to kill 2 tough zombies, got various nicks and scratches. There's other shit like clumps of zombies, or zombie dogs, all of which I don't want to deal with, but I need loot.
I usually can survive off foraging for the first little while, especially if there's a river/swamp nearby where I can get water. I can usually get a stone pot with a bit of wild-life butcher and meat killing, and from there I can boil the water I need and forage the eggs I need to survive long enough to get some basic reinforced clothing, made from the curtains of the windows that I then board up, to start going after the towns.
You can make bullshit things to get your fabrication up enough to make a wooden needle out of a splinter, which you can get by smashing the starting shelters counters. You can make a stone knife out of two rocks, a stick, and some string. You can make a makeshift knife out of some thread/string and a spike, which you can make with the hammer and some scrap metal. Then you can disassemble the long threads into short threads into thread to put in your needle, cut up the sheets from smashed windows curtains into rags (boarding up the windows afterward to maintain shelter security), and go to town leveling tailoring up by making socks, boxers, cotton hats, and so on. I usually start as the Lost Submissive so that I have the leather to make a water-skin and a leather funnel, so that I can get water.
Post by: Nuttycompa on April 23, 2015, 01:41:41 am
I found some fungaloids and spores growing almost within view range of my shelter. Should I be concerned? I think I should be concerned. Not sure if I have the gear to deal with it though.
If you don't think you can take down the spine, you can consider your base lost.
They will keep multiply and overrun you within a few days.
I had similar situation with ant hill
day 1 : couple of worker show up, yes free food.
day 2 : I think there is more of them.
day 3 : I think this star to be a bit much.
day 5 : Holy sh#@ where is the floor( my screen completely fill with "a" )
Post by: Zireael on April 23, 2015, 02:17:52 am
How do run.
Press " to toggle between running/walking.
Post by: Sheb on April 23, 2015, 02:27:03 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 23, 2015, 02:30:18 am
Post by: i2amroy on April 23, 2015, 02:56:13 am
Unpack the new version into a different folder, and transfer your saves folder. Assuming the versions are compatible, that should do it.This right here. It's like DF, unzipping on top of the folder works often, but it's a recipe for disaster just waiting to happen. Note that the AIM is broken for these last few updates, we're working on getting it fixed up pretty quickly.
Post by: cainiao on April 23, 2015, 04:39:57 am
Post by: Darkmere on April 23, 2015, 04:49:13 am
is it possible to recover spilled liquid on the ground?
Nope.
Post by: Xardalas on April 23, 2015, 07:07:48 am
Post by: Sheb on April 23, 2015, 07:17:56 am
Post by: BFEL on April 23, 2015, 08:24:56 am
I have yet to manage to survive a trip inside of the town.Towns aren't that bad once you know what you're doing.
Basically bushkiting with fire to clear small areas of zombies, taking their clothes before they burn up and wearing ERRYTHING will generally keep you pretty much fine. Later you can chop up the extra clothes and use to reinforce the best stuff for less marshmallow tier agility with similar protection.
Then you just raid the "cleared" houses for all the loots you can carry.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 23, 2015, 09:48:30 am
Post by: Greiger on April 23, 2015, 10:02:24 am
... Especially good against zombie children, because killing them via traps doesn't trigger the morale loss.
"I know I should feel bad about killing the child but my inner darwin award presenter cancels it out."
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 23, 2015, 10:10:23 am
Burn the schools!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 23, 2015, 10:17:25 am
Or maybe it's just amusing to look at. *Shamble shamble shamble*-*trip*-*impale*-*twitch twitch*. Funniest Home Videos material right there. :P... Especially good against zombie children, because killing them via traps doesn't trigger the morale loss.
"I know I should feel bad about killing the child but my inner darwin award presenter cancels it out."
Post by: Zireael on April 23, 2015, 10:28:38 am
I have yet to manage to survive a trip inside of the town.Towns aren't that bad once you know what you're doing.
Basically bushkiting with fire to clear small areas of zombies, taking their clothes before they burn up and wearing ERRYTHING will generally keep you pretty much fine. Later you can chop up the extra clothes and use to reinforce the best stuff for less marshmallow tier agility with similar protection.
Then you just raid the "cleared" houses for all the loots you can carry.
I don't need bushkiting or fire. I just keep a pile of sharp rocks in my pack to throw at zombies. If in doubt, run. That's how I got to day 7 spring with a character with no skills to speak of except throwing. In a recent experimental, so post skill gain rework.
I even killed two moose this way.
Post by: BigD145 on April 23, 2015, 11:37:51 am
I'm not sure why killing zombie kids even gives a morale penalty to 'feel bad about killing'. If anything I'd be creeped out and want to kill ALL of the little shits because zombie kids are freaky and tiny and probably really fast. Like spiders.
Burn the schools!
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
always
Post by: Spehss _ on April 23, 2015, 11:43:24 am
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
always
Make a sign for a grave marker.
"On this site, 200 children lost their unlives while trying to eat my brains. Every last one of them won a Darwin Award because they walked on nailboards until they redied. rip in pepperonis, never forget."
Post by: Rince Wind on April 23, 2015, 12:50:30 pm
It would be even more fun now with the turrets and stuff.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on April 23, 2015, 12:59:33 pm
Post by: Akura on April 23, 2015, 01:01:13 pm
I'm not sure why killing zombie kids even gives a morale penalty to 'feel bad about killing'. If anything I'd be creeped out and want to kill ALL of the little shits because zombie kids are freaky and tiny and probably really fast. Like spiders.
Burn the schools!
I imagine zombie kids are some kind of memetic hazard.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 23, 2015, 01:10:23 pm
Also, @Rince Wind: you may be remembering Dynamic Spawn. Also, wildlife does spawn still - it just tends to get attacked by zombies now.
Towns aren't too bad for me. Gotta remember, you can see further than they can, and there is an indicator when they can see you. Keep them from smashing cars, the noise attracts more. Draw off individuals, and this goes double for shriekers. I don't know why everyone goes for the knife spear. I prefer the war scythe or stone spear - until I picked up a war hammer. If you see a brute, shocker, or especially shocker brute, turn around, it's not worth it.Or, if you don't mind a lot of crafting, go archery. I killed a Shocker Brute with a longbow, at night, because the bugger couldn't see or hear me and I had a hundred wooden arrows with its name on it - and almost every hit on an unaware enemy is a critical.
Post by: Zireael on April 23, 2015, 01:15:34 pm
You could always see about combining the static and swarm spawn systems. Have large groups of creatures 'migrate' until they get close to the reality bubble, then have them start to split up into individuals that actually wander in.
I believe that is what the devs are heading towards.
Post by: Rince Wind on April 23, 2015, 01:33:56 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on April 23, 2015, 01:44:39 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 23, 2015, 02:01:14 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 23, 2015, 02:06:09 pm
However large its caliber, it should not be able to identify targets, rotate, and fire on its own. All I need to have right now in order to install a fully autonomous M2 Browning turret onto my vehicle, is a welder and the M2 Browning machinegun itself. I find the DIY turret kits of the vehicle expansion mod to be far superior in spirit.
Post by: Descan on April 23, 2015, 02:11:35 pm
Maybe a camera too.
Post by: Blaze on April 23, 2015, 02:15:00 pm
Yes I know. I stripped two, off of two separate APC wrecks. I converted one into a sniper cannon.Are you using the newest version? The pre-bundled version is months behind.
However large its caliber, it should not be able to identify targets, rotate, and fire on its own. All I need to have right now in order to install a fully autonomous M2 Browning turret onto my vehicle, is a welder and the M2 Browning machinegun itself. I find the DIY turret kits of the vehicle expansion mod to be far superior in spirit.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 23, 2015, 02:21:55 pm
Yeah, I'm on the 0.C (or 0.C.1 as the extracted folder calls itself) stable version. Stopped using experimentals since I've stopped participating in the development for now, it's impossible to keep up with those things when you're focusing on just playing the game anyway. :PYes I know. I stripped two, off of two separate APC wrecks. I converted one into a sniper cannon.Are you using the newest version? The pre-bundled version is months behind.
However large its caliber, it should not be able to identify targets, rotate, and fire on its own. All I need to have right now in order to install a fully autonomous M2 Browning turret onto my vehicle, is a welder and the M2 Browning machinegun itself. I find the DIY turret kits of the vehicle expansion mod to be far superior in spirit.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 23, 2015, 02:55:40 pm
Infact, that should be a thing. Turret variants that need a gunner. Basic unarmored, armored, and autonomous variants of every turret... Gives a reason to grab NPCs!
Post by: NullForceOmega on April 23, 2015, 05:27:47 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 23, 2015, 06:19:35 pm
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Post by: n9103 on April 23, 2015, 09:43:26 pm
(RE: Fortifications) Have you played with the horde system yet? Unless you *do* fortify quite well, your base *will* be overrun for any significant brush with a horde. (I suppose just scraping a couple of the outer tiles of the horde could be survivable without fortifications.)
Post by: NullForceOmega on April 24, 2015, 12:33:12 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 24, 2015, 12:38:57 pm
Also, latest experimental caused me to suddenly have a large stockpile of Glock 19s, among other things. Fun glitch. Maybe I should go back to the stable version for now, at least until I've done the moving and organizing of all my crap into the battlewagon.
Post by: BFEL on April 24, 2015, 08:36:27 pm
However large its caliber, it should not be able to identify targets, rotate, and fire on its own. All I need to have right now in order to install a fully autonomous M2 Browning turret onto my vehicle, is a welder and the M2 Browning machinegun itself. I find the DIY turret kits of the vehicle expansion mod to be far superior in spirit.Clearly this is a early FPS type gun. The kind that floated in a green aura and gently rotated until you picked it up.
I believe this neatly explains everything.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 24, 2015, 09:39:56 pm
I, uh, raided a house. Amongst the loot I found cigs, a glock and some 9mm ammo, and a, uh, wolf suit. Are wolf suits still great like I remember reading about?
Sure
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Post by: Spehss _ on April 24, 2015, 10:41:05 pm
jesus christo how horrifyingI, uh, raided a house. Amongst the loot I found cigs, a glock and some 9mm ammo, and a, uh, wolf suit. Are wolf suits still great like I remember reading about?
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Post by: Dorsidwarf on April 25, 2015, 04:33:25 am
I think the martial arts master profession is worth more than the 6 points it costs.
I'm all like,
ATATATATTTA-KAPOW against zombies, and just slapping manhacks out of the air with my bare hands. It's so ridonkulous that I'm less dangerous when carrying a machete than my bare karate hands. Way better than bionic sniper if you ask me.
Post by: scrdest on April 25, 2015, 04:40:25 am
I...Yeah, it's kind of a silly fun mode for me. If only you are able to stun on hit, you can reasonably take on a horde and win without much damage, with clever positioning.
I think the martial arts master profession is worth more than the 6 points it costs.
I'm all like,
ATATATATTTA-KAPOW against zombies, and just slapping manhacks out of the air with my bare hands. It's so ridonkulous that I'm less dangerous when carrying a machete than my bare karate hands. Way better than bionic sniper if you ask me.
Post by: Tiruin on April 25, 2015, 05:03:15 am
As someone who keeps on using Martial Arts in all her games--Yes, your theory is validated. :PI...Yeah, it's kind of a silly fun mode for me. If only you are able to stun on hit, you can reasonably take on a horde and win without much damage, with clever positioning.
I think the martial arts master profession is worth more than the 6 points it costs.
I'm all like,
ATATATATTTA-KAPOW against zombies, and just slapping manhacks out of the air with my bare hands. It's so ridonkulous that I'm less dangerous when carrying a machete than my bare karate hands. Way better than bionic sniper if you ask me.
Pair it with Quick and Speed-y qualities and characteristics, and you can easily survive the first week (sans meeting Hulks.)
(And the Spiritual perk, too. As far as I know the version I'm using, reading a book quickly + fast reader = 33 nice morale points. Read it thrice and gather those books...)
Post by: Gentlefish on April 25, 2015, 05:03:50 am
I...Yeah, it's kind of a silly fun mode for me. If only you are able to stun on hit, you can reasonably take on a horde and win without much damage, with clever positioning.
I think the martial arts master profession is worth more than the 6 points it costs.
I'm all like,
ATATATATTTA-KAPOW against zombies, and just slapping manhacks out of the air with my bare hands. It's so ridonkulous that I'm less dangerous when carrying a machete than my bare karate hands. Way better than bionic sniper if you ask me.
That's why I like the cudgel. It stuns, like, every other hit.
Post by: Xardalas on April 25, 2015, 11:32:27 am
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on April 25, 2015, 11:33:41 am
How does farming work? I have the seeds and tilled ground. Just no idea how to plant em.
Put the seeds in your inventory and examine the tilled soil.
Post by: Akura on April 25, 2015, 11:37:10 am
Last I checked - a while ago, more recent data will probably come soon - you can get a hell of a lot of food from oats. I think one oat turns into 16 oatmeal, which can be turned into a few portions of cooked oatmeal each. Grow sugar beats and you can get deluxe cooked oatmeal out of that.
Post by: Darkmere on April 25, 2015, 01:42:56 pm
Post by: n9103 on April 25, 2015, 05:51:35 pm
Don't forget granola! Also, technically haggis...For those times you feel the Cataclysm isn't full of enough suffering. :P
Post by: Blaze on April 25, 2015, 06:39:54 pm
Lutefisk is definitely more of an acquired taste than Funazushi at least.
Post by: martinuzz on April 25, 2015, 07:03:14 pm
SureHeh I always thought it was a bear suit. And I never got what exactly it is a reference too. (No I don't mean what movie it's from, that would be The Shining, but I never got it beyond "wtf is that bear doing there?")Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Teneb on April 25, 2015, 07:04:45 pm
What's worse? Lutefisk or Haggis? I've tried Lutefisk, haven't tried haggis. Or maybe Surmstromming?From my experience (haven't eaten Lutefisk or Haggis, but that's only because I've yet to see them live), people tend to exaggerate the "horribleness" of certain foods just because they contain things like hearts or stomach.
Lutefisk is definitely more of an acquired taste than Funazushi at least.
Haggis appears to be sheep heart, lungs and liver, plus onion, spices and a few other things), inside a stomach. While I've never eaten lungs or stomachs, I have eaten hearts and liver (though not sheep) and can attest they taste incredibly good.
Post by: n9103 on April 25, 2015, 07:24:38 pm
On top of that, one whiff of what turned out to be haggis forced me to leave a friend's house at one point.
And then, yea, put the gross-factor in, and I wouldn't eat haggis short of a life or death situation. But then, I might eat long pork in the same situation, so that's not much of an endorsement.
Post by: BigD145 on April 25, 2015, 08:28:55 pm
Post by: azmodean on April 25, 2015, 10:17:28 pm
Post by: Descan on April 25, 2015, 10:33:51 pm
Post by: Nuttycompa on April 25, 2015, 11:04:42 pm
When I fight the ants, I notice that when I use my fusion rifle, nearby ants will run toward the area of explosion.
So I walk toward the ant hill where 100+ ants guard the entrance and fire my fusion rifle in the opposite direction.
I just stand there, in horror, as the entire army of ants(which take up 1/3 of my screen) walk pass me to where I fire my rifle at, leave the entrance unguard. :D
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 25, 2015, 11:19:59 pm
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Post by: Sheb on April 26, 2015, 03:51:16 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 26, 2015, 04:34:40 am
Post by: Dorsidwarf on April 26, 2015, 04:50:39 am
Haggis is really just a big chunky sausage, with the same look, texture, odor and taste. The difference is that you know what haggis is made of.
I challenge your assertion! I have no clue what's in haggis (except traditional haggis which is AFAIK just a stomach with the ends sewn up and cooked) but I damn well know what's in my sausages. At least, I do when I can find my recipie book.
Post by: Sheb on April 26, 2015, 04:58:06 am
Post by: n9103 on April 26, 2015, 07:32:25 am
Includes true blood sausages. The extra high iron/hemoglobin content really turns me off the taste.
I'm finding out (via shitty water supply system for my rental) that rusty pipes make for water that can make me throw up on taste/smell too, so there's that.
It's kinda depressing since I've rarely ever had a problem with plain old water from the tap.
Post by: Teneb on April 26, 2015, 09:24:22 am
I'm finding out (via shitty water supply system for my rental) that rusty pipes make for water that can make me throw up on taste/smell too, so there's that.
It's kinda depressing since I've rarely ever had a problem with plain old water from the tap.
You probably shouldn't be drinking water from rusty pipes. And not just because of the taste.
Post by: n9103 on April 26, 2015, 09:51:33 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on April 26, 2015, 10:28:31 am
Post by: BigD145 on April 26, 2015, 10:40:02 am
Post by: n9103 on April 26, 2015, 10:54:36 am
Code enforcement has heard many other problems from me within the last week, and there's at least a 7 day grace period before they can take actions. The rusty water is probably the least of my concerns since it's already been worked around. Showers and washing dishes are unpleasant, but tolerable.
Thankfully, this place only has 5 months to go, and that I only had to do a 6 month lease.
Thanks for the advice though.
Post by: blackmagechill on April 26, 2015, 12:00:50 pm
Post by: Akura on April 26, 2015, 12:04:46 pm
I found an abandoned storefront with a lava chasm running through the back wall. I guess that's why it was abandoned. Unless it's Dwarf Fortress, a lava channel running through you store can't be good for business.
Post by: Sindain on April 26, 2015, 12:07:16 pm
Anybody ever have any sort of success with the mall cop scenario? It seems like the only way to actually live to me is to have 3 in dodging and driving and then book it to the parking lot and hope there's something quick with the keys in it and some fuel... Also I'm getting mapload errors in 0.C that have been deleting all of my supplies from my houses. Any idea why/ how I would stop that?
I haven't tried in the recent versions but I had a successful mall cop start a while ago. You're right that you have to escape pretty much immediately, too many zombies to survive early on. I managed to escape on foot simply by booking it out one of those iron doors you start by. Luckily most zombies in malls are normals so you hopefully won't see anything that can outrun you. Taking fleet footed would probably be a good idea.
Post by: Rince Wind on April 26, 2015, 01:35:05 pm
RIP Whatever your name was.
After two more deaths: try to kill 'em from as far away as possible (ok, the last one was an elite version).
Damn, I was a bionic officers starting in a house with an infection, found a FN P90 an ammo in a basement, managed to kill a hulk, then died several squares away from the elite grenadier. And someone thought bio operators were bad.
Do the grenadiers have an unlimited amount of drones?
Post by: azmodean on April 26, 2015, 07:39:25 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 27, 2015, 02:29:39 am
Pro-tip: Don't kill zombie grenadiers in close combat.I've currently got a PR up that should make it so they just drop active explosives instead of actually exploding, so that should make things a fair bit easier. :P
Post by: BigD145 on April 27, 2015, 08:04:44 am
Pro-tip: Don't kill zombie grenadiers in close combat.I've currently got a PR up that should make it so they just drop active explosives instead of actually exploding, so that should make things a fair bit easier. :P
You mean they're not hooked up to a dead man's switch.... oh right..
Post by: Nighthawk on April 27, 2015, 08:32:56 am
I see what you did there. :PYou mean they're not hooked up to a dead man's switch.... oh right..Pro-tip: Don't kill zombie grenadiers in close combat.I've currently got a PR up that should make it so they just drop active explosives instead of actually exploding, so that should make things a fair bit easier. :P
Post by: Sheb on April 27, 2015, 09:26:12 am
Post by: Rince Wind on April 27, 2015, 09:58:09 am
Post by: IronTomato on April 27, 2015, 11:05:40 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 27, 2015, 11:10:12 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 27, 2015, 11:10:17 am
How can I get my character to stop having the flu? I rammed my vehicle through a pharmacy wall to get a flu shot, but it doesn't seem to have cured me.Doesn't the flu shot only prevents you to get the flu in the future rather than curing you? As far as I know the best way to handle it is to just wait for it to pass. You'll also need a lot of water. Cough syrup can also reduce the symptoms, but won't completely negate them. I'd also recommend avoiding anything too dangerous while you're sick.
Post by: The13thRonin on April 27, 2015, 11:23:12 am
Post by: Blaze on April 27, 2015, 11:25:54 am
Are there working, non-moronic NPCs yet?No.
How can I get my character to stop having the flu? I rammed my vehicle through a pharmacy wall to get a flu shot, but it doesn't seem to have cured me.Cold medicine and the like doesn't cure diseases. It merely lessens the symptoms. You still have to ride it out.
Post by: Akura on April 27, 2015, 12:54:37 pm
Are there working, non-moronic NPCs yet?
Unfortunately, I posted my non-stealing NPC on guard, and when I asked her to follow, she started stealing my stuff. Bitch.
How can I get my character to stop having the flu? I rammed my vehicle through a pharmacy wall to get a flu shot, but it doesn't seem to have cured me.
Pharmacies usually have things called doors that people use to get in and out.
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 27, 2015, 01:14:49 pm
Pharmacies usually have things called doors that people use to get in and out.You just had to go and say it, didn't you? You haven't truly played this game until you've built a vehicle specifically for ram-raiding. And once you have, why use anything else?
Post by: Blaze on April 27, 2015, 01:17:23 pm
Pharmacies usually have things called doors that people use to get in and out.Casual detected.
You're probably one of those people that use houses as shelter instead of burning it down to cook food too.
Post by: Descan on April 27, 2015, 01:19:36 pm
Post by: Darkmere on April 27, 2015, 01:21:06 pm
Post by: IronTomato on April 27, 2015, 02:02:43 pm
Yeah, but there was a locked door and a Big Metal Gate standing between me and the medicine, and my illness made me too weak to break the door.How can I get my character to stop having the flu? I rammed my vehicle through a pharmacy wall to get a flu shot, but it doesn't seem to have cured me.
Pharmacies usually have things called doors that people use to get in and out.
Post by: i2amroy on April 27, 2015, 04:35:44 pm
This right here. It's like the real world; getting vaccinated against the flu if you already have it isn't going to do a bit towards actually curing your current disease (but it will stop you from catching it in the future).How can I get my character to stop having the flu? I rammed my vehicle through a pharmacy wall to get a flu shot, but it doesn't seem to have cured me.Doesn't the flu shot only prevents you to get the flu in the future rather than curing you? As far as I know the best way to handle it is to just wait for it to pass. You'll also need a lot of water. Cough syrup can also reduce the symptoms, but won't completely negate them. I'd also recommend avoiding anything too dangerous while you're sick.
Post by: Bouchart on April 27, 2015, 06:33:20 pm
Does anyone know what this message is about? I keep feeling pain randomly.
Edit: turns out I had some kind of parasite, for some reason.
Post by: ollobrains on April 27, 2015, 07:37:55 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 27, 2015, 07:38:50 pm
Post by: n9103 on April 27, 2015, 07:42:07 pm
Don't really see why that would be changed, since that's a major incentive (and just about the only one worth considering) to raid a hive.
No, large amounts of normal honey isn't worth becoming Fry. (from Futurama, in case that was too obscure)
Post by: Descan on April 27, 2015, 08:12:19 pm
Ringworm isn't a parasite, it is a fungal infection.Anti-parasitic drugs still work on it, in the game. :v
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 27, 2015, 08:15:48 pm
Right, I was pointing out that it should be fungicide instead. :PRingworm isn't a parasite, it is a fungal infection.Anti-parasitic drugs still work on it, in the game. :v
Post by: Rince Wind on April 28, 2015, 03:31:38 pm
Post by: Blaze on April 28, 2015, 03:34:17 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 28, 2015, 03:37:03 pm
So, shocker zombies don't yield CBMs anymore? :(How high is your survival skill? I'm pretty sure your chances to get something are tied to that skill.
Post by: Descan on April 28, 2015, 03:39:37 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on April 28, 2015, 03:47:59 pm
So, shocker zombies don't yield CBMs anymore? :(How high is your survival skill? I'm pretty sure your chances to get something are tied to that skill.
2 (44%), which was usually enough to get one intact and one burned out bionic.
Post by: i2amroy on April 28, 2015, 03:52:20 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 28, 2015, 03:54:30 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on April 28, 2015, 03:56:43 pm
Oh well, I'll have to train survival then. Too bad the library had no books about that subject.
Post by: Blaze on April 28, 2015, 04:17:52 pm
Are CBMs useful for anything if your character does not use them (or, in a scenario more applicable to the typical character, already has the CBMs in question)? The only use I found for them was kickstarting skill training by repairing/reinforcing a few of them, since I don't think they can be disassembled.Some can be disassembled for parts.
The fusion blaster arm can be turned into a rifle with the requisite skills.
And a the laser/fusion/lightning cbms can be turned into weapon turrets.
Post by: Descan on April 28, 2015, 06:33:50 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on April 28, 2015, 11:44:41 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 29, 2015, 12:04:43 am
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on April 29, 2015, 01:43:40 am
ah so worm reoval tablets or other forms of medcine might help there. Ringworm giving muscle cramps yup sounds like Cataclysm
There's no ringworm in DDA.
I always assumed that the muscle pain thing was due to trichinosis.
You assumed correctly; that's why antiparasitic drugs can cure it.
Post by: Darkmere on April 29, 2015, 01:47:51 am
...What is the best butchering knife these days, anyway?
Best one I'm seeing on my high fabrication list is a literal Butcher's Knife at 25 butchering quality.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 29, 2015, 01:59:15 am
On that note, are there plans to expand the current "eat from the tile you're standing in" mechanic to other activities as well? I specifically mean 'a'ctivation, and disassembly. I've had a situation where I could not pick up a broken riot control bot to try to disassemble it for parts, and could not 'B'utcher it despite carrying a toolkit and an acetylene torch. Plus unfolding folded vehicles without picking them up first should be possible.
Post by: scrdest on April 29, 2015, 03:08:29 am
AUGH. Flashback to learning about trichinosis. Nopenopenopenope.ah so worm reoval tablets or other forms of medcine might help there. Ringworm giving muscle cramps yup sounds like Cataclysm
There's no ringworm in DDA.I always assumed that the muscle pain thing was due to trichinosis.
You assumed correctly; that's why antiparasitic drugs can cure it.
Although the messages for a fungal infection is just as freaky to me.
Post by: Gamerlord on April 29, 2015, 03:18:29 am
Two questions;...What is the best butchering knife these days, anyway?
Best one I'm seeing on my high fabrication list is a literal Butcher's Knife at 25 butchering quality.
1. If you have multiple knives in your inventory, which one is used for the butchering?
2. If you have a knife in a sheath, can it still be used?
Post by: Descan on April 29, 2015, 03:28:37 am
As for 1, I don't know for sure, but I've never had troubles with multiple knives in my inventory which carrying the knife in my boot. One of my characters had a zweihander which could, funnily enough, be used for butchering. Obviously not very well, and I only found out when I mutated bearishly. This caused all my clothing to explode off of me, including my sheath (for some reason. Would like it if that could be fixed. I mean, you can add a long strap to the sheath to wrap it around your swollen booty, it's not hard. Waterskins too, there isn't an XL waterskin either. A lot of the quality-of-life items don't have XL versions, it'd be nice if that was expanded to encompass more than a dozen items.)
So when I went to harvest meat for my peckish bear hunger, I found out that A) my big-ass sword can be used to butcher animals, and B) it really rather sucks at the task.
Post by: Darkmere on April 29, 2015, 04:28:33 am
Two questions;
1. If you have multiple knives in your inventory, which one is used for the butchering?
2. If you have a knife in a sheath, can it still be used?
1) I'm 99% sure it uses the best one. I've had a multitool, butcher's knife, and a sharp rock in my inventory before, and gotten the yields of the butcher's knife.
2) I'm not sure, I don't have a sheath to test it on this character.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 29, 2015, 07:35:46 am
Unless an experimental changed it, anyways. This was true of the last stable version.
-edit- Well, as of now I can safely say that I am flat-out wrong. Well, thats a nice feature. Very nice feature.
Also, I cant say anything about question one, since nothing changed between different tools, probably due to the fact that the test char had skill of 20...
Post by: Rince Wind on April 29, 2015, 10:34:52 am
Now, I can't find the mother of that crybaby over there (he is 2 maptiles from the target house, idiot). Guess she'll have to continue her unlife.
But I found a huge weapon stash while looking for her, so it is ok.
Post by: martinuzz on April 29, 2015, 12:02:09 pm
...What is the best butchering knife these days, anyway?
paradoxically, the butcher's knife is not the best butchering tool. It's nice, with 25 points, but the hunting knife is better, with 30 butchering quality
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 29, 2015, 02:17:14 pm
AUGH. Flashback to learning about trichinosis. Nopenopenopenope.>YOU PUKE MUSHROOM EVERYWHERE
Although the messages for a fungal infection is just as freaky to me.
>YOUR ARMS EXPLODE
>PAIN: 1120
It freaked me too when it first happened to me, especially since I had no idea why it was happening, or what it was supposed to be. A massive forested area just south of my house was being turned into a fungal wasteland. I was being shot by turrets so I had no choice but to hide in that mess. I made that character kill himself because he was a lost cause at this point.
Post by: The13thRonin on April 30, 2015, 06:39:31 am
Are there working, non-moronic NPCs yet?No.
So are the developers ever going to take time off adding random stuff and actually fix this massively broken feature? Its been like this for like two years now.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 30, 2015, 06:47:33 am
And there are too many things broken to say that one thing deserves the attention more than another. Right now I'd prefer them to stick to Z-levels. What use are NPCs anyway? I never played with them on. >_>
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 30, 2015, 07:43:37 am
Most of the people adding random stuff are not the developers. :PEveryone believes that their favorite feature is top priority.
And there are too many things broken to say that one thing deserves the attention more than another. Right now I'd prefer them to stick to Z-levels. What use are NPCs anyway? I never played with them on. >_>
If you really want NPCs fixed ronin, the game is open source.
Post by: Darkmere on April 30, 2015, 07:58:18 am
Are there working, non-moronic NPCs yet?No.
So are the developers ever going to take time off adding random stuff and actually fix this massively broken feature? Its been like this for like two years now.
Nothing's really stopping you from having a go at it.
Post by: scrdest on April 30, 2015, 08:21:29 am
Post by: BigD145 on April 30, 2015, 10:48:58 am
Most of the people adding random stuff are not the developers. :P
And there are too many things broken to say that one thing deserves the attention more than another. Right now I'd prefer them to stick to Z-levels. What use are NPCs anyway? I never played with them on. >_>
There's an entire faction status/conflict/mission system that requires npc's be reasonably smart. You don't play with npc's because they are off by default and they're retarded.
Post by: BigD145 on April 30, 2015, 11:22:10 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 30, 2015, 12:06:15 pm
Post by: Teneb on April 30, 2015, 12:17:04 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on April 30, 2015, 12:33:31 pm
Post by: n9103 on April 30, 2015, 12:58:42 pm
For my part, I don't play with NPCs because I enjoy the scenario of being the last human alive, focusing on the very essentials of survival in a totally hostile world. Walking down the street and seeing Billybob So-and-so stabbing zombies to death with a kitchen knife so he can get the last bottle of whiskey left in the bar... I can see the appeal for some, but for me, it ruins the atmosphere.So you're not interested in reenacting Shaun of the Dead? Or even World War Z? For shame. ;)
(The movie, not the book. Yes, yes, horribad and all that, but still illustrates a great way to play if the NPC system supported it.)
Post by: Teneb on April 30, 2015, 01:25:20 pm
I think those are abandoned houses. Did you see any part of the floor missing or a bunch of trash on the ground?No. It was completely clean.
Post by: Mailo on April 30, 2015, 02:31:12 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sheb on April 30, 2015, 02:32:17 pm
Post by: Xardalas on April 30, 2015, 02:41:42 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 30, 2015, 02:51:01 pm
Post by: Xardalas on April 30, 2015, 02:58:52 pm
I haven't tried it, but IIRC it allows you to command your followers to return to base, assign guards and such.
Oh, well that would be neat as hell.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 30, 2015, 03:00:07 pm
Post by: Xardalas on April 30, 2015, 03:02:28 pm
Speaking of followers, what is the "create zombie slave" option available in the action menu of some knives? I know there's a Necromancy mod, but it is not enabled in any of my games.
It makes a zombie that follows you around and you can drop shit onto it and make em carry it.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on April 30, 2015, 03:03:33 pm
Post by: Xardalas on April 30, 2015, 03:15:28 pm
Post by: i2amroy on April 30, 2015, 03:17:59 pm
So are the developers ever going to take time off adding random stuff and actually fix this massively broken feature? Its been like this for like two years now.Yeah, open source means that your options for the meaning of the world "developer" range between "hardcore code person" to "json modder". Funnily enough unless you are a hardcore developer yourself you probably won't notice many of the contributions of those people, since for the most part they are all totally code-end changes, improvements and other such things. Even their lesser contributions would often require you to be a modder (taken a look at modding the effects system lately? There's a lot that you can do there that you couldn't before). On the other hand the contributions of the json modders are much more likely to be noticed, firstly because they are changes that the player actually sees actively, and secondly because there are a lot more contributors at the json editing level than there are at the code wrangler one.
That said Coolthulu (one of our code wrangler level devs) recently completed the first $330 Z-level bounty. It's not to the point where the player is going to be able to notice anything (other than the "z-levels" option in the options menu) but it was a very important technical shift that had to be down prior to actually starting to add things the player might notice. (And he's slowly chipping away at the second Z-levels issue as well now).
Post by: Sindain on April 30, 2015, 03:46:47 pm
I mean, they're still retarded, but at least they no longer destroy the universe by attempting to eat a tire.
Post by: Greiger on April 30, 2015, 07:32:21 pm
You just want to park them in a protected place somewhere near your base instead of at your actual base because they can and will LOOT ALL THE THINGS!
Post by: Darkmere on May 01, 2015, 02:27:58 am
He immediately starts bashing on everything in my APC!
I swear to god these fuckers are just begging to die. He's lucky I build things strong and value his marksmanship training *slightly* more than the rags he's wearing. For now.
Post by: Sheb on May 01, 2015, 03:51:44 am
Post by: Akura on May 01, 2015, 07:58:42 am
One good thing with NPCs is if they stand on a vehicle you can pull(like a shopping cart) you can push the cart around with them on it.
Post by: Darkmere on May 01, 2015, 10:03:15 am
I think he's trying to get to the zeds? Try changing his combat preferences to "do not attacks stuff unless I attack it first" or something.
There wasn't anything around at all. The compartment can't even see outside (I have rear cameras). He wouldn't use the door he came in, preferring to bang his head on the wall instead. The best part is, when we stopped he just stood there in the doorway blocking the exit for a while.
His quest chain is the MURICA one where he wants a flag and army black box. So I assume he's just so absurdly idiotic that he thinks vehicles are communists and can't understand doors at all.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 01, 2015, 02:55:04 pm
Post by: Descan on May 01, 2015, 03:05:28 pm
I never really used them, I never noticed being wet impacting me too much. If I mutated into a wet-mad creature I'd probably use it more.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 01, 2015, 03:07:29 pm
Post by: Xardalas on May 01, 2015, 04:16:51 pm
8Edit* Well, I got halfway there. Maybe heavy duty frames wasn't such a smart idea. Does speed affect how quickly the batteries drain?
Post by: Dorsidwarf on May 01, 2015, 05:46:03 pm
Grenades are excellent
Triffid queens are merciless
Turrets are a trap - they have something like a 50-50 chance to murder you when you put them down. Buy manhacks - they're ten times more expensive, but zombies can barely hit them and they're eassy to take down if they go rogue.
Post by: Akura on May 02, 2015, 10:17:37 am
Does speed affect how quickly the batteries drain?
Yes. Your engine is using more power to get up to that speed. I would assume heavier weight would increase power/fuel consumption since the engine has to work harder to move a heavier mass.
Post by: Descan on May 02, 2015, 11:25:16 am
Post by: pedrousz on May 02, 2015, 03:57:00 pm
Post by: ejseto on May 02, 2015, 04:30:43 pm
Does speed affect how quickly the batteries drain?
Indirectly. In order to gain speed, you must thrust. In order to thrust, the engine must consume fuel. If there were Z-levels, you could perhaps coast downhill, but since that's not in the game, the only way to gain velocity is through an engine consuming fuel. If you were to turn off cruise-control and just coast on inertia, I believe the engine would only use idle power which is the minimum of the alternator load and 1% of its max output, but, of course, it would use this while completely stationary as long as the engine is on, as well.
Post by: Graknorke on May 02, 2015, 05:27:57 pm
Post by: ejseto on May 02, 2015, 06:07:24 pm
Seems odd for electric motors to need idle power. It's not as if they need to be ticking over.
Well you can't put an alternator on an electric motor since that would just waste power. But I assume the minimum idle power is simply to keep the motor spinning against its own friction (as well as resistive losses for electric motors) even if the transmission isn't engaged.
Post by: Silicoid on May 02, 2015, 07:56:26 pm
so I'm not really good with computer, but today I start changing somethings on json of buildings to see if I'm able to create something that might help to pay off a little of the fun that I had it with, but I have a question... How do I test if the building that I '''created''' works or is just broken, etc?The quick answer:
Use the debug menu, and go into the map editor, and press o, which will take you into mapgen, where you can load a building into a map square.
Post by: Graknorke on May 03, 2015, 09:25:15 am
But why would a motor ever need to be doing that? With a petrol or diesel engine then fair enough, because to stop and start the engine you need to have the starter motor going and it takes a while and if something happens like the battery goes flat or it's too cold the engine might not start at all. But with an electric motor there's really no reason to have it running if it's not actually driving the vehicle, since a motor can be stopped and started near-instantaneously and at no risk of failure above leaving it on.Seems odd for electric motors to need idle power. It's not as if they need to be ticking over.Well you can't put an alternator on an electric motor since that would just waste power. But I assume the minimum idle power is simply to keep the motor spinning against its own friction (as well as resistive losses for electric motors) even if the transmission isn't engaged.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 03, 2015, 09:33:45 am
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 03, 2015, 11:59:16 am
On the positive side the system where animals fight zombies, monsters, and each other is pretty cool, there have been a lot of cool additions, and some very nice UI changes that make actual gameplay a bit more approachable, the sub-menus for crafting are of special note here, new vehicle mechanics LOOK very cool, I'll get back to those if I can ever get a survivor to last more than a few hours.
On the negative side, I really don't like the changes to temperature mechanics, starting in spring with snow still falling, and having to go into the city to do some scavenging has universally lead to my death through the inevitable slowing due to cold. While this would be excusable in the dead of winter, it makes less than no sense (to me at least), that I should be functionally freezing to death while wearing a winter coat. I find that zombie swarming is now vastly more unreasonable, seriously, I get into a fight with one zombie and suddenly every single animate corpse within the surrounding eight tiles comes swarming in, I can deal with that, but not when I'm also freezing for no explicable reason.
Post by: Blaze on May 03, 2015, 12:05:22 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 03, 2015, 12:08:16 pm
Post by: Descan on May 03, 2015, 12:15:14 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on May 03, 2015, 12:22:00 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on May 03, 2015, 12:26:26 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 03, 2015, 12:34:14 pm
Starting in summer definitely helped reduce the problem, now I just have to compensate for the massively revised hit/dodge mechanics.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 03, 2015, 12:53:24 pm
Plus you have the emergency jackets in the lockers now, which go a long way towards keeping your hands and head warm, as long as your head is unencumbered and you don't wield anything. You can craft a keffiyeh - which I am assuming is some sort of scarf-like thing - out of a sheet for mouth warmth, you can make a rag tunic out of one as well, or wear the whole sheet if you feel so inclined.
Also do keep in mind, as I have had this pointed out to me before. You start out at the start of Spring, which also means at the end of Winter. Spring does not immediately start out all warmth and flowers, it has a long period of cold winds, rain, and snow.
Though maybe it's just me being Russian. :P
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 03, 2015, 12:57:32 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on May 03, 2015, 01:06:54 pm
I mean, it's obvious that all the characters have Raynaud's, since the warmth system doesn't take into account blood circulation, but the fact still remains that, even in non-freezing temperatures (up to about 50 degrees Fahrenheit), if your hands aren't covered by at least a little bit, they'll get cold pretty quick, to the point where it can be painful.
Post by: Descan on May 03, 2015, 01:08:39 pm
Post by: BigD145 on May 03, 2015, 01:14:07 pm
Post by: ejseto on May 03, 2015, 01:55:27 pm
Would it be very hard to program the warmth system to take into account warmth of the torso when dealing with the extremities? To account (roughly) for blood circulation?
It already does that to some degree. There is diffusion of heat to adjacent body parts proportional to the temperature difference.
Post by: azmodean on May 03, 2015, 11:57:31 pm
Would it be very hard to program the warmth system to take into account warmth of the torso when dealing with the extremities? To account (roughly) for blood circulation?It's not necessarily hard, but what's the model based on? I couldn't find a reference for how that works, so we just have something slapped together, and you can see how well that's working out.
Post by: Majestic7 on May 04, 2015, 12:57:12 am
Post by: Zireael on May 04, 2015, 02:02:33 am
Also do keep in mind, as I have had this pointed out to me before. You start out at the start of Spring, which also means at the end of Winter. Spring does not immediately start out all warmth and flowers, it has a long period of cold winds, rain, and snow.
Though maybe it's just me being Russian. :P
It's not you being Russian, it's the truth!
Post by: Dorsidwarf on May 04, 2015, 02:51:35 am
Post by: Majestic7 on May 04, 2015, 03:44:47 am
Post by: Sheb on May 04, 2015, 04:38:03 am
Post by: Majestic7 on May 04, 2015, 04:52:37 am
Post by: Mech#4 on May 04, 2015, 04:59:36 am
Is there already a bionic for warming you up when you are cold? If there isn't, there should be one. Since there are those other temperature regulation ones already anyway.
I think there's something like sub-dermal heating or somesuch. Or at least there was ages ago if I'm remembering one of Aavak's videos properly.
Post by: Sheb on May 04, 2015, 05:17:14 am
Post by: ollobrains on May 04, 2015, 06:58:58 am
Post by: n9103 on May 04, 2015, 07:50:02 am
Personally when I go out into the freezing snow with a snowjacket, gloves, and winter boots IRL, I'm not a shivering helpless mess of zombie-bait within minutes, or even a few hours if I have a warm hat on. It's really annoying ingame to be constantly spammed with YOUR PINKY FEELS CHILLY or YOUR TOES ARE SOLID ICE BECAUSE YOU STEPPED ON A SNOW IN HEAVY BOOTSJust throwing the BS flag on this one, since you *would* be a helpless mess without pants on.
And while I do agree somewhat with the sentiment, there's nothing in the lore (AFAIK anyway) that says our character isn't a new arrival to the area, meaning there's no reason to assume they're acclimated.
I'm no Russian, and although I live and was born in South Florida, I have also lived many other places, including Syracuse NY, and Ft. Lost-in-the-woods in Mo during the '09-'10 winter (lowest annual avg temp for both years for the area due to the lows and how long they stayed low). The temperature system may not be quite so real-to-life as it could be, but it's pretty damn close compared to almost any other game out there.
Additionally, I think a lot of people complaining haven't experienced exposure, (average US citizen has never gone more than a day without power, much less some form of shelter) and don't understand how hard it can hit.
Personally, I feel the temperature system is just fine, though I'm not expecting to maintain low encumbrance and still avoid he effects of the cold. If my Bad Day Archer can survive over an hour with nothing more than a blanket, after at least 10 minutes with only a wet towel, and still not have frostbite, then the system definitely isn't too harsh. (eventually ran out of corners to hide behind :P)
Post by: Majestic7 on May 04, 2015, 08:06:31 am
However, having your fingers freeze while doing a two-hour stroll in a city at a couple of degrees over freezing point is quite silly. It might be a bit nippy, but not the degree portrayed by the game. I think the idea behind the freezing/oh-god-I'm-melting system is great. It just needs a little fine tuning, that is all.
Hence why I suggested the tropical/arctic traits for a start.
Post by: BigD145 on May 04, 2015, 08:10:53 am
Internal Climate ControlFursuits. Invaluable to go down ice labs.
Post by: Graknorke on May 04, 2015, 08:13:31 am
Post by: Sheb on May 04, 2015, 08:22:34 am
Post by: Darkmere on May 04, 2015, 10:09:57 am
Speaking of, has anyone tried armouring up a fursuit yet? It sounds like it might be frightfully OP.
Adding more bulk to the bulk seems counterproductive. Leather and kevlar both add decent amounts of encumbrance, and on a suit like that that covers everything, the encumbrance will cover everything.
Post by: BigD145 on May 04, 2015, 11:11:30 am
Speaking of, has anyone tried armouring up a fursuit yet? It sounds like it might be frightfully OP.
Adding more bulk to the bulk seems counterproductive. Leather and kevlar both add decent amounts of encumbrance, and on a suit like that that covers everything, the encumbrance will cover everything.
The trade off is leather repair versus first aid. Of course you're also trading off dps for leather repair as well. In a case of being surrounded it might be worth it.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 04, 2015, 12:23:09 pm
(http://lparchive.org/Super-Robot-Wars-W/Update%20174/13-D-bonta.jpg)
Fumo-Fumo! Fu! Fumoffu! :P
Post by: BigD145 on May 04, 2015, 12:30:59 pm
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Post by: Orange Wizard on May 04, 2015, 03:55:24 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 04, 2015, 07:24:13 pm
More to the point: I'm tempted to try wander spawns. But I dont know how well it works, whether I should put it along static or dynamic spawns, etc...
Post by: i2amroy on May 04, 2015, 07:27:19 pm
Post by: azmodean on May 05, 2015, 01:33:48 am
It would be nice if you could get warm from moving. Maybe tie it to the stamina system?This is going to happen.
Actually there's a rather large chunk of heat that gets generated every turn under the assumption that the player is being active, now we can track it properly and dispense with that :D
Solution: make furry power armor.I can't believe I haven't made this connection before >_<
(http://lparchive.org/Super-Robot-Wars-W/Update%20174/13-D-bonta.jpg)
Fumo-Fumo! Fu! Fumoffu! :P
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 06, 2015, 07:50:48 pm
Positive: I love the new variety of weapons and craftables, this was a much needed change. I like the greater diversity of animate corpses, I just wish that their placement in static spawns was a bit less erratic. The new vehicle stuff is looking good so far, I'm hoping to get more deeply into that real soon here.
Negative: Every single world I've created has a 'fuck you' feature within easy walking distance of my start location, be it a mall right across the street (and a river opposite the shelter from that) or a fungal bloom right down the road, I do not find this fun. I really dislike the revised difficulty in learning electronics recipes, and the books for the skill/recipes are really hard to find. When I am well armored, every hostile hit goes directly to my cranium, why? Is it necessary for every single hostile in the game to have mystical headshot ability?
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 06, 2015, 08:34:57 pm
Post by: Dorsidwarf on May 07, 2015, 10:25:31 am
And literally every world of mine becomes unplayable in days because of giant antmen near all the spawn points.
Post by: jocan2003 on May 07, 2015, 03:41:38 pm
I agree about the enemy targetting. It's like, Zombie dog? Bites your head off while you're standing up (sloooowly). Zombie? Punches your skull in. Spinosaurus? Didn't stand a chance anyway.That makes me think of another issues i had lately with the game, seems 90% of hits... no matter the source were always going to the head. Being shot of long distance? head, being hit by a zombie child? head hits again... come on i imagine myself being a tad less than 6 foot yet 7yrs old zombie child can hit my face numerous time in a row o.O? And zombie dogs too gnawing head while we are standing up.
And literally every world of mine becomes unplayable in days because of giant antmen near all the spawn points.
I mean ok its a game but slow down on these head hit, even tho there is 6 body *limb/section* they could potentialy like and that are much more easier to hit well... screw hit they all go for the head.
Post by: Descan on May 07, 2015, 04:02:05 pm
Post by: Darkmere on May 07, 2015, 06:22:00 pm
Rebuttal: Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains.
Descan wins! Flawless victory!
I actually find chest wounds more dangerous on most characters. But that's from bullets, mostly.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 07, 2015, 11:45:29 pm
Post by: HFS on May 08, 2015, 01:01:45 am
I played the tutorial, and ended up dying when the wall failed to burn down before the floor collapsed.
Then I started a game as a police officer and died running from a mob of zombies (+1 skeleton) after being struck by lightning. Or something like that.
Post by: i2amroy on May 08, 2015, 01:06:59 am
But yeah, not getting hit is very important. Like the real world getting hurt puts you into pain and slows you down, which makes it easier for you to get hit again. The end result is that it's very easy to go from "I'm in great condition, yay!" to "Oh god I'm dead!" very quickly if you start taking blows.
Also if you are playing the experimental don't forget that in most cases you can run (") to get away as a last resort.
Post by: ejseto on May 08, 2015, 05:07:12 am
Just started playing this. Any tips?
Fire is your friend. The minute you see any zombies coming after you, lure them over a bush and light it on fire. If you're scared, lure them from burning bush to burning bush until they die. If you're feeling a little brave, go ahead and melee them. You might miss, but they'll burn to death either way. Carry around something flammable, like string or rags. If you have no choice, 'D'rop one on top of them and ignite it and then fight them as they stand in the fire. Don't fight any zombies that aren't standing in fire until you have good enough armor to withstand their attacks.
Post by: Akura on May 08, 2015, 07:45:59 am
Plus head encumbrance doesn't do a thing, so you have no excuse not to armor it up.
Head encumberance doesn't effect you, but eye and mouth(both, partucularly the eyes, take hits worse than the rest of the head) encumberance certainly does.
Just started playing this. Any tips?
Fire is your friend. The minute you see any zombies coming after you, lure them over a bush and light it on fire. If you're scared, lure them from burning bush to burning bush until they die. If you're feeling a little brave, go ahead and melee them. You might miss, but they'll burn to death either way. Carry around something flammable, like string or rags. If you have no choice, 'D'rop one on top of them and ignite it and then fight them as they stand in the fire. Don't fight any zombies that aren't standing in fire until you have good enough armor to withstand their attacks.
I find that a couple of points in dodge(plus dropping torso encumberance) makes zombie melee far more survivable.
Post by: Majestic7 on May 08, 2015, 08:03:06 am
Regarding starting equipment, if you take a shelter start, make yourself a nail board by bashing benches and then getting a rock from the outside to act as a hammer. Better than going out unarmed.
Post by: forsaken1111 on May 08, 2015, 08:07:05 am
Post by: n9103 on May 08, 2015, 09:35:37 am
Enemies within a screen's distance could hear the fight and come looking.
And take a swing at them, not a hit. Odds are low you're gonna connect more often than not with most starting characters, so it's best to plan that you're not going to hit them, and certainly not 1-hit kill, and you need to know what you're going to do to avoid being hit in return. This is the main principle behind the current bush kiting and window choking, the latter only a good idea once you've got some form of armor and improved weapons.
As he went on to say, taking hits is bad. Yea, just about everything bad comes from being hit, even once, depending on the specifics of the hit.
A few things are a danger even without ever getting into combat. Those would be fungaloids when not fully equipped to deal with the spores, and some of the more unusual things found in labs. And I suppose some of the extra-dimensional guests' hostilities may or may not count as conflict, depending on the point of view and specific incidence.
Those niche cases aside, you've got to learn how to exploit the terrain to your advantage to both close into melee range, and also keep you out of their range, all while attracting as few as possible between groups.
Being that I'm not able to do the summer semester at full time (which means I would just be using up my GI bill at less than maximum benefit,) I might think about doing a LP/Walkthrough or two. No budget, but high experience, and a moderate amount of technical expertise. Shouldn't end up too awful. 8)
(Passed out before submitting this, so it looks like some of the info has been duplicated, still useful info in there though.)
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 08, 2015, 10:27:07 am
Also, the furry suits are surprisingly good at blocking hits, granted that you can get over the encumbrance they give they can be really useful. They're kinda like a early-game power armor imo.
Post by: BigD145 on May 08, 2015, 10:49:34 am
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 08, 2015, 11:35:54 am
P.S.: Mystic headshot ability is still effing stupid.
Post by: gimlet on May 08, 2015, 11:54:33 am
And throw stuff, it starts out weak but quickly gets to be pretty useful. Rocks are OK to start, but I get better damage with ceramic shards (smash toilets) or lumps of steel (if you can afford the 2-volume, probably because they're heavier. And those are easy to replace if you need to drop them to use the inventory space or because you needed to flee. It's really REALLY handy to put some damage on a zombie before he can attack you, it slows him down and lets you finish him off in a hit or 2. Or throw other tools/weapons that you are carrying, better to finish it off from a distance than risk a hit, especially before you get better armor. If he's still not finished off, lead him away, circle around and pick up your throwing stuff again, rinse and repeat. Just be careful throwing anything vital in case a spitter shows up.
My preferred early weapon is the cudgel - easy to make, reasonably fast, +2 bonus to hit, and has block, parry and rapid strike iirc. The knife spear is nice too - a bit more trouble to make, better damage but only has Block, which is still very helpful for survival early on.
And to reiterate - you MUST watch your encumbrance, and status effects like hunger/thirst or especially pain. Getting slowed down will make you way easier to kill. Run away, repair your armor, bandage up, let your pain go down, go into fights fresh and fast whenever you possibly can.
Post by: Teneb on May 08, 2015, 11:59:06 am
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 08, 2015, 12:05:45 pm
As an alternative, try starting as a SWAT officer while also taking Krav Maga. Will probably need to take a few flaws to offset that, but it sure is worth it. The guns the officer starts with are also great for dealing with shockers and other nasty enemies, and the armour will help you survive attacks from most zombies.
Very true. Krav Maga is extremely good, I managed to last almost a year with it.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 08, 2015, 12:33:02 pm
Once you find the Bowyer's Buddy book and get a few levels in mechanic, you'll be able to craft the best survival weapon you can easily carry around - the pistol crossbow. Crossbow bolts need no fletching, and metal ones are very sturdy, and just take some scrap metal and minimal tools to make. The pistol crossbow is quick to load, decently powerful, and can fit in a holster. I did make a proper crossbow, as well as a pneumatic bolt thrower, but I ditched both in favor of the pistol. The tiny size and the quick reload are much more important than raw power and range.
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 08, 2015, 12:53:55 pm
Post by: BigD145 on May 08, 2015, 01:09:11 pm
As an alternative, try starting as a SWAT officer while also taking Krav Maga. Will probably need to take a few flaws to offset that, but it sure is worth it. The guns the officer starts with are also great for dealing with shockers and other nasty enemies, and the armour will help you survive attacks from most zombies.
You can always up your initial points and start strong, then try harder starts after figuring things out.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 08, 2015, 01:16:11 pm
Or is there some hidden use for this that I've not noticed?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on May 08, 2015, 02:48:24 pm
Post by: Akura on May 08, 2015, 03:12:50 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 08, 2015, 03:13:04 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on May 08, 2015, 03:43:08 pm
Post by: Graknorke on May 08, 2015, 04:49:22 pm
Post by: n9103 on May 08, 2015, 05:51:18 pm
I had also assumed they use cement binder, but apparently they're dry fit?
In that case, for them to be substantial *and* dry fit, you're basically talking about a castle perimeter wall.
I think a skill level up near rebar concrete's probably appropriate.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on May 08, 2015, 06:05:47 pm
Most stones used in these kinds of walls are jagged and abrasive. Most of the work is stacking stones together so they're close enough to each other to grip. They're actually really, really sturdy without requiring a lot of technology, materials, or specialized knowledge, and they're popular for that reason. You can actually make some pretty impressive structures with nothing but rocks. Before concrete, smaller bridges were often built out of nothing but stone, to the point where when concrete came around, builders would cover up the concrete with stones so people trusted that it could hold them, since there wasn't a lot of faith among the public in concrete at the time.
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 08, 2015, 06:57:05 pm
Post by: Lukewarm on May 08, 2015, 07:24:20 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 08, 2015, 07:42:50 pm
Does the morale penalty for Killed Innocent degrade? I have killed a lot of people and cannot craft.
Yes, but it takes some time. I'd doing something that increase your morale, like reading one of those otherwise useless books or using drugs.
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 08, 2015, 08:40:39 pm
Post by: Darkmere on May 08, 2015, 09:08:18 pm
Hmmm observation: isn't the miniflamethrower pwer cost a bit steep, considering it's a glorified lighter?
Or is there some hidden use for this that I've not noticed?
Lighters require something burnable on the ground, like paper or rags. The CBM version doesn't need those and you can stack it into roaring flames by using it on the same square multiple times. It's basically using internal power for a no-gasoline 1-tile molotov.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 08, 2015, 10:30:03 pm
Does the morale penalty for Killed Innocent degrade? I have killed a lot of people and cannot craft.Yep, it decreases a bit with every kill of that enemy type. Note that you have to desensitize yourself for each enemy type separately. Clearing out a school should nearly, if not fully desensitize you to zombie children.
Post by: Gentlefish on May 09, 2015, 03:13:09 pm
Post by: AVE on May 09, 2015, 03:46:23 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 09, 2015, 03:51:17 pm
Fungaloids turn zombie dogs into HUMAN fungal zombies.
Post by: ejseto on May 09, 2015, 04:21:24 pm
I've not played since 0.8 and noticed that encumbrance is numbered differently in json (very large numbers, in tens, instead of single digits). So, I suggest that there are some changes to encumbrance system. Can someone explain those changes to me?
Everything was multiplied by 10 to give better granularity. If you divide by 10 and toss the remainder, you'll recover the old system, i.e. 15 new encumbrance -> 15/10 -> 1 old encumbrance.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 09, 2015, 07:32:25 pm
Also: Now I'm getting ppowwws and 9mm casings from what apparently is happening underground in a lab.
I guess experimental features are not quite playable yet. :(
Post by: Twiggie on May 10, 2015, 08:20:57 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 10, 2015, 12:27:51 pm
What I mean is that with the game's experimental Z levels (not just the mod. The game option) triggered, monsters from underground get teleported aboveground.
Post by: Twiggie on May 10, 2015, 04:19:10 pm
Post by: Tnx on May 10, 2015, 04:29:41 pm
Post by: ShinQuickMan on May 10, 2015, 04:42:27 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on May 10, 2015, 06:13:21 pm
Damn those Hulks. Lost about 5 characters by getting ninja'd by one of them. If it weren't for that, I wouldn't have too much trouble taking care of them. Though to be fair, two of those times were due to me being stubborn and going for night raids, despite knowing better.
Night raids without nightsight and light step is just asking for trouble.
Post by: azmodean on May 10, 2015, 07:00:54 pm
Z level bug report: SOmetimes stuff from lower Z levels spawns in the surface. I found several mangled chuds recently.Thanks for the report, looks like the item spawn code isn't z-aware yet, so when underground monsters kill each other or drop items (shell casings mostly), they appear on the surface. I didn't know about this one.
Also: Now I'm getting ppowwws and 9mm casings from what apparently is happening underground in a lab.
I guess experimental features are not quite playable yet. :(
Just to clarify, when an option is marked experimental, we pretty much mean it's broken and unplayable, z-level features and hordes are both in that category.
Post by: blackmagechill on May 10, 2015, 07:41:23 pm
Ft. Lost-in-the-woods in MoEquipment Operator or Master-at-Arms?
EDIT (for relevance): My save files have been getting corrupted with both Cataclysm and DF recently. I'm running Windows 8 on an Asus 11" laptop. It has an SSD instead of a regular spinny hard drive, could that be my problem or is it operating system related?
Also is there a guide to modding in this game because geez quality levels for crafting needs to be implemented
Post by: n9103 on May 10, 2015, 08:08:04 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 11, 2015, 08:58:44 am
HAZMAT
I'd love to have one of those suits IRL. Not that I'll need it, they just look awesome.
Post by: Greiger on May 11, 2015, 09:31:01 am
Hi Neighbor! (http://www.amazon.com/BR-CHEMICAL-PROTECTIVE-CLOTHING-LAKELAND/dp/B0032JOF70/ref=sr_1_6/192-0244151-9575025?ie=UTF8&qid=1431354783&sr=8-6&keywords=hazmat+suits)
Though looking around it looks like disposable hazmat suits are actually pretty cheap. Though those ones don't cover the face and I imagine you'd need to get a protective mask for it to be functional as any real protection. It looks like they only get expensive when you start talking about reusable, and radiation protection.
Post by: BigD145 on May 11, 2015, 09:46:47 am
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Post by: Dorsidwarf on May 11, 2015, 09:48:02 am
Post by: Toaster on May 11, 2015, 09:48:57 am
Post by: Rince Wind on May 11, 2015, 10:45:23 am
Is that a bug or working as intended?
(playing an experimental I downloaded a couple of hours ago)
Post by: Twiggie on May 11, 2015, 11:04:32 am
They actually appear right by you on the first turn when you go back up stairs? I've never seen that happen, usually it says "X is coming up the stairs!" or something like that.
I've had monsters from the entire loaded area appear on the surface.
Go down from an entirely clear surface, come back up having seen no enemies downstairs to see turrets, shoggoth?s and migos across a 3ish map tile radius around the stairs
Post by: Akura on May 11, 2015, 11:09:31 am
Just wear it out and about the house, answer the door while wearing it, take the garbage out while wearing it, go down to the mailbox to pick up the mail while wearing it.... be sure to wave at the neighbors.
Hi Neighbor! (http://www.amazon.com/BR-CHEMICAL-PROTECTIVE-CLOTHING-LAKELAND/dp/B0032JOF70/ref=sr_1_6/192-0244151-9575025?ie=UTF8&qid=1431354783&sr=8-6&keywords=hazmat+suits)
Though looking around it looks like disposable hazmat suits are actually pretty cheap. Though those ones don't cover the face and I imagine you'd need to get a protective mask for it to be functional as any real protection. It looks like they only get expensive when you start talking about reusable, and radiation protection.
As always, read the customer reviews before you buy a hazmat suit.
Post by: Gentlefish on May 11, 2015, 12:38:54 pm
Well...I need 50 in mechanics to install a swappable storage battery case.
Is that a bug or working as intended?
(playing an experimental I downloaded a couple of hours ago)
Maybe they increased the granularity of skills now, too :P
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 11, 2015, 01:45:30 pm
Class-A HAZMAT suits start at £780, and just get higher, and the costume ones are those lame-looking Class C ones (like the soldiers wear in The Signal)
Damn. Those things are expensive O.o
What makes them cost so much? Do any of you know? Now I'm curious.
Post by: BigD145 on May 11, 2015, 02:00:00 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 11, 2015, 02:01:35 pm
Also, BigD145 is a ninja.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 11, 2015, 03:44:49 pm
Now gas mask, on the other hand seems to be much more affordable while having the same kind of awesomeness. I'll probably buy one instead if I feel like wasting tons of money for something I'll never use.
Post by: Graknorke on May 11, 2015, 03:57:08 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on May 11, 2015, 04:03:20 pm
The expensive hazmat suits are sealed environments with their own air supply, and usually made out of much thicker, and probably stronger, material.
Post by: Gamerboy4life on May 11, 2015, 04:12:47 pm
What's wrong, how do I fix the leak?
Post by: Rince Wind on May 11, 2015, 04:13:40 pm
Post by: Descan on May 11, 2015, 04:15:41 pm
I think it's like, yellow? Or orange that it starts leaking/may leak.
Post by: Morrigi on May 11, 2015, 08:07:25 pm
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 11, 2015, 08:17:22 pm
Apparently some youtuber got a warning on the Cata DDA forums for using the word "lame" in an allegedly offensive manner, while in the past, I have not gotten such warnings for actually swearing. I would link, but I'm on mobile because my laptop seems to be dead.
Wait, is "lame" really considered a swear word? Some people really get offended by the most ridiculous things. -_-
The way I see it, lame is just an adjective, nothing wrong with it. But then again, I don't know the context.
Post by: Morrigi on May 11, 2015, 08:25:04 pm
Some people seem to actively look for things to be offended by.Apparently some youtuber got a warning on the Cata DDA forums for using the word "lame" in an allegedly offensive manner, while in the past, I have not gotten such warnings for actually swearing. I would link, but I'm on mobile because my laptop seems to be dead.
Wait, is "lame" really considered a swear word? Some people really get offended by the most ridiculous things. -_-
The way I see it, lame is just an adjective, nothing wrong with it. But then again, I don't know the context.
Post by: Descan on May 11, 2015, 08:40:47 pm
Post by: Darkmere on May 11, 2015, 09:58:20 pm
disabled people.
You can't say that about differently-abled people! Ability challenged people?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on May 11, 2015, 10:49:44 pm
To be extra-clear, lame doesn't just mean disabled, usually. It's usually more specifically defined as a disability resulting from weakness, e.g. muscle dystrophy or motor neuron impairment. Used in an insulting context, it was probably originally meant to describe someone or something so socially weak that it couldn't metaphorically 'stand up on its own two feet', like a 'lame' joke that fell flat or a 'lame' person who could barely function on their own in a conversation.
Back to Cataclysm, the new encumbrance system's been giving me pause. I don't know if it's just me having a psychological fit, but it feels like I'm getting a lot of mixed results. On the one hand, sometimes I feel like I'm wearing way more than I used to be able to, but sometimes also I've found myself encumbered with things I don't remember being that encumbering.
Post by: Zireael on May 12, 2015, 05:51:55 am
Apparently some youtuber got a warning on the Cata DDA forums for using the word "lame" in an allegedly offensive manner, while in the past, I have not gotten such warnings for actually swearing. I would link, but I'm on mobile because my laptop seems to be dead.
I dunno what's so offensive about lame, I wouldn't get offended if someone said that (disabled IRL :P)
Post by: forsaken1111 on May 12, 2015, 06:21:22 am
Ahh but you see, there are thousands of people who feel as though they need to get offended on your behalf!Apparently some youtuber got a warning on the Cata DDA forums for using the word "lame" in an allegedly offensive manner, while in the past, I have not gotten such warnings for actually swearing. I would link, but I'm on mobile because my laptop seems to be dead.
I dunno what's so offensive about lame, I wouldn't get offended if someone said that (disabled IRL :P)
Post by: Culise on May 12, 2015, 11:34:35 am
EDIT: Aah, there's a whole 'nother page that I missed. I need more sleep. >_<
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 12, 2015, 09:18:18 pm
Post by: i2amroy on May 12, 2015, 09:20:15 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 12, 2015, 09:38:30 pm
Savegame compatiblity?
Post by: i2amroy on May 12, 2015, 09:46:13 pm
Just moving between experimentals shouldn't ever cause you any problems (though we still advocate copying rather than moving in case something goes wrong). Also note: saves are mostly raw text, so if you compress your save folders first you can cut their size to about 12% of what they were before compression, so do that before moving them if they are a very large save.
Post by: BigD145 on May 13, 2015, 12:42:53 am
Post by: i2amroy on May 13, 2015, 12:47:26 am
Post by: BigD145 on May 13, 2015, 01:06:09 am
Post by: i2amroy on May 13, 2015, 01:17:53 am
Post by: BigD145 on May 13, 2015, 04:26:36 pm
I made a copy and disabled the mod.
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 14, 2015, 11:54:54 am
Post by: Akura on May 14, 2015, 12:04:48 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 14, 2015, 12:13:42 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 14, 2015, 12:31:24 pm
(Not literally, but that would make at least some modicum of sense.)
Post by: i2amroy on May 14, 2015, 01:51:10 pm
Also funnily enough, but the experimentals are usually actually less buggy/more stable than the stable version is (excluding the short time right after a big change goes in) since we tend to fix more bugs than we add into the game over time (once again, excluding really big changes).
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 14, 2015, 02:33:36 pm
Post by: AVE on May 14, 2015, 03:58:42 pm
Post by: Kaitol on May 14, 2015, 04:52:24 pm
Post by: i2amroy on May 14, 2015, 04:58:57 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on May 14, 2015, 05:26:35 pm
Note with jumper cables, they will let one vehicle charge up another one, but only once they themselves are fully charged. They will not currently "even out" the charge of the two separate vehicles.
Ooh, that could be fun for a simple "fix". We are aiming for realism, after all :P
When it come to battery charge, then, is it simply a case of raw numbers like "truck battery has 10,000 charges and car battery has 8,000 charges"?
Post by: The13thRonin on May 15, 2015, 02:48:26 am
Note with jumper cables, they will let one vehicle charge up another one, but only once they themselves are fully charged. They will not currently "even out" the charge of the two separate vehicles.
Ooh, that could be fun for a simple "fix". We are aiming for realism, after all :P
When it come to battery charge, then, is it simply a case of raw numbers like "truck battery has 10,000 charges and car battery has 8,000 charges"?
All that realism and still no pooping feature...
When will you put the porcelain thrones to use :P!
Post by: forsaken1111 on May 15, 2015, 05:25:15 am
If you have an idea on how to implement it you could jump in and give it a try. They've likely stayed away from it so far for the same reasons Dwarf Fortress has.Note with jumper cables, they will let one vehicle charge up another one, but only once they themselves are fully charged. They will not currently "even out" the charge of the two separate vehicles.
Ooh, that could be fun for a simple "fix". We are aiming for realism, after all :P
When it come to battery charge, then, is it simply a case of raw numbers like "truck battery has 10,000 charges and car battery has 8,000 charges"?
All that realism and still no pooping feature...
When will you put the porcelain thrones to use :P!
Post by: The13thRonin on May 15, 2015, 08:04:02 am
If you have an idea on how to implement it you could jump in and give it a try. They've likely stayed away from it so far for the same reasons Dwarf Fortress has.Note with jumper cables, they will let one vehicle charge up another one, but only once they themselves are fully charged. They will not currently "even out" the charge of the two separate vehicles.
Ooh, that could be fun for a simple "fix". We are aiming for realism, after all :P
When it come to battery charge, then, is it simply a case of raw numbers like "truck battery has 10,000 charges and car battery has 8,000 charges"?
All that realism and still no pooping feature...
When will you put the porcelain thrones to use :P!
Press P to poop. If you forget to press P every 50 turns you explode and everything within a 15 tile radius turns brown. Pooping without toilet paper and a newspaper reduces morale. If you poop next to an NPC they attack you. And in true Dwarf Fortress fashion you should be able to pick up your poop and fling it at the enemy.
If you couldn't tell yet I'm joking :P.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 15, 2015, 11:47:12 am
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead. Now with realistic poop physicsIf you have an idea on how to implement it you could jump in and give it a try. They've likely stayed away from it so far for the same reasons Dwarf Fortress has.Note with jumper cables, they will let one vehicle charge up another one, but only once they themselves are fully charged. They will not currently "even out" the charge of the two separate vehicles.
Ooh, that could be fun for a simple "fix". We are aiming for realism, after all :P
When it come to battery charge, then, is it simply a case of raw numbers like "truck battery has 10,000 charges and car battery has 8,000 charges"?
All that realism and still no pooping feature...
When will you put the porcelain thrones to use :P!
Press P to poop. If you forget to press P every 50 turns you explode and everything within a 15 tile radius turns brown. Pooping without toilet paper and a newspaper reduces morale. If you poop next to an NPC they attack you. And in true Dwarf Fortress fashion you should be able to pick up your poop and fling it at the enemy.
If you couldn't tell yet I'm joking :P.
Post by: forsaken1111 on May 15, 2015, 11:49:26 am
Post by: n9103 on May 15, 2015, 01:29:40 pm
Post by: BFEL on May 15, 2015, 01:31:34 pm
Post by: The13thRonin on May 15, 2015, 01:32:27 pm
We'll need air circulators next in that case. ;)
Speaking of air circulators... Solar powered heaters and air conditioners would be an awesome idea.
We really need working electricity at some point via generators :(.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 15, 2015, 01:53:59 pm
We'll need air circulators next in that case. ;)
Speaking of air circulators... Solar powered heaters and air conditioners would be an awesome idea.
We really need working electricity at some point via generators :(.
I except it wouldn't be too hard to adapt cars for this purpose (I wouldn't know for sure though, I'm nowhere near being good enough at programming to guess), considering people are already making cars that are only used to power lamps. We'd need wires, though.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 15, 2015, 01:58:57 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 15, 2015, 02:17:27 pm
Post by: Mookzen on May 15, 2015, 05:40:29 pm
What is actually needed, is integration of cars and furniture into the same class of objects.
Does this mean we are going to get derivable wardrobes ?
Post by: Tawa on May 15, 2015, 05:44:40 pm
Screw cars, I have a deskWhat is actually needed, is integration of cars and furniture into the same class of objects.
Does this mean we are going to get derivable wardrobes ?
Post by: n9103 on May 15, 2015, 07:36:39 pm
Screw desks, I have a recliner! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDzlmNf8cCk)Screw cars, I have a deskWhat is actually needed, is integration of cars and furniture into the same class of objects.
Does this mean we are going to get derivable wardrobes ?
Post by: The13thRonin on May 15, 2015, 08:40:31 pm
Last I checked you could not do this anymore because Codeblocks would spit out compiler errors.
If anyone knows how to get it to work care to pop up a short step by step on getting Codeblocks to work?
Post by: i2amroy on May 15, 2015, 09:42:49 pm
Is it possible to modify the source code again under windows?Codeblocks is what like half of our development team uses, and Cygwin also runs on Windows if you'd prefer that (Though IIRC both of them tend to stumble on SDL/tiles builds). We're working on getting an open-source license for a new C++ IDE from the same people who made IntelliJ though, so with any luck it'll be getting easier in the future. :)
Last I checked you could not do this anymore because Codeblocks would spit out compiler errors.
If anyone knows how to get it to work care to pop up a short step by step on getting Codeblocks to work?
Steps for a Curses/non-tiled build in Code::Blocks:
1) Download Code::blocks
2) Use your git application of choice to get the git source code
3) Open up the C:DDA project in Code::Blocks, go up to the top and choose "Release", then click the compile button
Pretty sure that's all you need to do for a non-tiles build (I don't use tiles so I've never bothered to compile a tiled version, I do believe it takes some extra work though).
Post by: The13thRonin on May 16, 2015, 03:14:47 am
Is it possible to modify the source code again under windows?Codeblocks is what like half of our development team uses, and Cygwin also runs on Windows if you'd prefer that (Though IIRC both of them tend to stumble on SDL/tiles builds). We're working on getting an open-source license for a new C++ IDE from the same people who made IntelliJ though, so with any luck it'll be getting easier in the future. :)
Last I checked you could not do this anymore because Codeblocks would spit out compiler errors.
If anyone knows how to get it to work care to pop up a short step by step on getting Codeblocks to work?
Steps for a Curses/non-tiled build in Code::Blocks:
1) Download Code::blocks
2) Use your git application of choice to get the git source code
3) Open up the C:DDA project in Code::Blocks, go up to the top and choose "Release", then click the compile button
Pretty sure that's all you need to do for a non-tiles build (I don't use tiles so I've never bothered to compile a tiled version, I do believe it takes some extra work though).
Anyone got the steps for the tile version?
Post by: AVE on May 16, 2015, 08:03:20 am
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Post by: Rince Wind on May 16, 2015, 08:51:27 am
Post by: Aseaheru on May 16, 2015, 09:22:06 am
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Post by: IcyTea31 on May 16, 2015, 11:00:51 am
Post by: Darkmere on May 16, 2015, 01:10:21 pm
Is there a bonus for reading speed at higher focus? At the moment I usually listen to mp3s while reading, but I am running out of batteries. :D
From what I remember it kiiiinda does. High focus yields better skillups while reading, so if you jam out you'll skill up faster and have to read for less time. You don't read faster per time limit, but you spend less time reading because you retain more of it in total.
Post by: Descan on May 16, 2015, 01:12:22 pm
Batteries are too useful until you can power things off solar panels to waste on silly things like morale~
Post by: Mephansteras on May 16, 2015, 04:08:46 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 16, 2015, 04:15:31 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on May 16, 2015, 05:40:07 pm
Rince, I usually take my batteries out of my MP3 player until I get a recharge apparatus up, then slap a recharge mod on the player, and use two (one charges, use the other) :P
Batteries are too useful until you can power things off solar panels to waste on silly things like morale~
mp3 player + vibrator = what do you mean I slaughtered a school full of zombie kiddos? I feel great!
Post by: ShinQuickMan on May 16, 2015, 08:22:21 pm
Does purifier serum have a higher chance of sparing good mutations and removing bad ones than the regular stuff?
From my experience, no. It does, however, target post-threshold mutations more regularly, even those that aren't purifiable.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 16, 2015, 10:59:59 pm
Damn, zombie grenadiers are nasty. Saw one not all that close to me and was ripped apart before I knew what was happening. Shame, too, that character was really promising. My initial safehouse turned out to have a basement FULL of guns and ammo in it.I find that a shotgun with 00 shot (even a sawed-off) and a gas mask is enough. Shoot down any (frag)grenadehacks, easy with a shotgun even if unskilled, ignore tear gas and flashbangs with your gas mask, while running towards the grenadier. Once you're close enough, just blast'em, and run away before the final grenade explodes.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 17, 2015, 01:23:29 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 17, 2015, 02:44:06 pm
Either the power armor helmets need to be redone to act as vision correctors like glasses or they need to allow glasses to be worn simultaneously. If I missed something, like an item that serves as vision correction without counting as wearing something then by all means let me know.
Post by: i2amroy on May 17, 2015, 02:58:01 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 17, 2015, 03:01:07 pm
That said, I haven't seen a 'contacts' item anywhere, I'll look again.
Post by: n9103 on May 17, 2015, 03:03:25 pm
The only way this is viable, is if for some reason, this helmet is incapable of having the visor lifted. Considering even NASA's space helmets can be opened, that's a pretty damn weak excuse.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 17, 2015, 03:06:49 pm
The only way this is viable, is if for some reason, this helmet is incapable of having the visor lifted.
(http://gemstone.play.net/etimes/et9/images/greathelm2.jpg)
Post by: n9103 on May 17, 2015, 03:07:51 pm
Post by: BigD145 on May 17, 2015, 03:23:07 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 17, 2015, 03:23:29 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on May 17, 2015, 03:40:57 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 17, 2015, 03:44:20 pm
Post by: jocan2003 on May 17, 2015, 03:47:05 pm
Congrats troll. That's not a power helmet, or one made since glasses were a thing.Well it was somewhat funny in any case hehe.
Post by: Rince Wind on May 17, 2015, 03:48:56 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 17, 2015, 03:51:30 pm
Post by: i2amroy on May 17, 2015, 03:58:53 pm
Really, installing diamond corneas, or almost any of the other optical CBMs should probably correct to 20/20 automatically, but that isn't the argument I'm pursuing.And removing them should permanently blind you too. :P
That said I could certainly see a visor insert, and while I'm working on something else right now, I can certainly add it to near the top of my list of things to work on.
Post by: forsaken1111 on May 17, 2015, 04:02:34 pm
Really, installing diamond corneas, or almost any of the other optical CBMs should probably correct to 20/20 automatically, but that isn't the argument I'm pursuing. If the military was going to utilize full environmental powered battle armor, they would certainly include vision-correction into the equation, with either adjustable lenses or inserts.Knowing the military as I do, they'd be more likely to simply screen out soldiers who need corrective eyewear. Its cheaper than designing in vision correction.
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 17, 2015, 04:05:10 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on May 17, 2015, 04:07:13 pm
I AM an ex-soldier.Yes.. so am I. I'm saying that they'd be more likely to screen out soldiers who require such vision correction than to design it into the helmet's optics.
I still think you should be able to make some corrective goggles or something to wear under them though
Post by: Descan on May 17, 2015, 04:08:59 pm
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Post by: NullForceOmega on May 17, 2015, 04:12:46 pm
Post by: i2amroy on May 17, 2015, 04:17:01 pm
Reference (http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/genjoin/a/pilotvision.htm).
However I'd also like to note that the cost of putting a built-in system for correcting for eyewear needs into every single visor is going to cost a lot more than just having visor inserts that perform the desired modifications. As such it's much more likely that we will get visor inserts (which I've already added to my list of things to do) then it is that they would automatically correct for that.
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 17, 2015, 04:29:35 pm
Post by: azmodean on May 17, 2015, 04:55:36 pm
and run away before the final grenade explodes.Or take inventory of the timers they're all on and try to throw the explosives away :D
(disclaimer, it is intentionally not tuned to make sure this is a viable tactic, it can easily be impossible to not get caught in the blast if you try it, but the rewards of success are fairly good)
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 17, 2015, 11:25:44 pm
- A-grade troops are largely unhindered physically or mentally, and can apply for special forces and such. Power armoured supersoldiers would certainly be chosen from this grade.
- B-grade troops have some correctable condition, most commonly eyesight requiring glasses or poor endurance. They may not become most kinds of special units, for example pilots or rangers.
- C-grade troops have a long-term medical condition, physical or mental, and even regular service isn't as compulsory to them as it is to others.
- The rest are not accepted into the army, for example due to a serious permanent disability requiring a wheelchair.
Post by: Zireael on May 18, 2015, 02:39:28 am
Can you use the hospital auto surgery unit (forgot its name) to do a corrective surgery? That would be neat.
Good point.
We could probably make a version of the power armor helmet with built-in glasses, what say you?
P.S. As an aside, diamond cornea CBM should remove eyesight traits.
Post by: i2amroy on May 18, 2015, 02:42:44 am
P.S. As an aside, diamond cornea CBM should remove eyesight traits.Little late there.
Really, installing diamond corneas, or almost any of the other optical CBMs should probably correct to 20/20 automatically, but that isn't the argument I'm pursuing.And removing them should permanently blind you too. :P
Post by: AVE on May 18, 2015, 06:38:12 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 18, 2015, 07:33:30 am
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Post by: IcyTea31 on May 18, 2015, 02:45:23 pm
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on May 18, 2015, 04:19:54 pm
Fun thing I've noticed: you can activate a holy symbol. If you have the Spiritual trait, this will make you "pause for spiritual contemplation" and give you a small morale boost, stacking twice up to +10. It's not that much, but considering it can be done indefinitely at only a tiny cost of time, it's worth it.
The Spiritual trait also makes certain books more enjoyable to read, makes some types of recreational substances more enjoyable to consume, and causes you to receive different messages when you eat human flesh.
Post by: n9103 on May 18, 2015, 04:22:36 pm
Quote from: Post-cataclysm Catholic
So that'll be one Our Father and two Hail Marys for slaughtering that kindergarten? Thanks God!
... I'm going to hell, I know.
Post by: BigD145 on May 18, 2015, 04:32:37 pm
Quote from: Post-cataclysm CatholicSo that'll be one Our Father and two Hail Marys for slaughtering that kindergarten? Thanks God!
... I'm going to hell, I know.
As long as you repent, it's okay. You can do what you want.
Post by: i2amroy on May 18, 2015, 05:38:20 pm
just hit a bug with picking up guns with the advanced inventory screen with a category on - the guns weren't being deleted so now there's > 20 of them on the floor. I'm not using the latest version though, anyone know if that's been fixed?I believe so, yeah.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 18, 2015, 07:32:14 pm
Post by: duckman on May 19, 2015, 01:41:35 am
I decided to give martial arts another go. Is Zui Quan any good if I'm playing with 13 int? Or should I stick with Krav Maga?
Overall, Krav Maga is more general purpose with its plethora of non-critical techniques, you get a 15% increase to damage based on your current strength as well as arm and leg blocks. It also buffs cutting weapons by 20% of their cutting damage, so it isn't totally limited to fighting unarmed or using special "unarmed" weapons.
Zui Quan allows you to dodge pretty much any number of normal melee attack while surrounded on all all sides, by enemies capable of multiple attacks per turn, as long as you've hit someone at least once. You also get a fairly good counter attack along with a buff to your dodge skill based on 12% of your current intelligence. You do lose out on blocking, but not getting hit at all is better than a damage reduction. It also lacks any critical hit techniques as far as I can tell.
Speaking of martial arts, the wiki seems to somewhat out of date on a fair number of them, unless there are stats outside of the techniques and martial arts json that I haven't found.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 19, 2015, 10:18:59 am
And also, thanks for the info.
Post by: Akura on May 19, 2015, 10:44:43 am
Fun thing I've noticed: you can activate a holy symbol. If you have the Spiritual trait, this will make you "pause for spiritual contemplation" and give you a small morale boost, stacking twice up to +10. It's not that much, but considering it can be done indefinitely at only a tiny cost of time, it's worth it.
So... how many Hit Die do the zombies have in this game? I need to know what my roll on a turning check needs to be.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 19, 2015, 11:05:27 am
Post by: i2amroy on May 19, 2015, 11:50:40 am
Considering a regular zombie has maybe 80 HP, and if we assume their HD is 1d12, we get 12,307... HD.This really freaked me out until I realized you were probably using the ',' as a decimal point. :P
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 19, 2015, 11:55:36 am
Post by: Teneb on May 19, 2015, 12:04:23 pm
Found a bug/missing-feature: wearing rubber gloves does not protect you from being shocked for striking a shocker zombie in unarmed combat. I just lost a character due to that.Maybe you kicked the shocker? I don't think, though I really don't know how it looks in the code, combat tracks what bodyparts were used to attack. Probably could still insulate you if people are not willing to delve into combat that much.
Post by: i2amroy on May 19, 2015, 12:28:48 pm
Post by: Zireael on May 19, 2015, 12:58:39 pm
Considering a regular zombie has maybe 80 HP, and if we assume their HD is 1d12, we get 12,307... HD.This really freaked me out until I realized you were probably using the ',' as a decimal point. :P
Lol, me too.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 19, 2015, 01:47:20 pm
More of a missing feature than a bug. I don't believe wearing rubber boots helps you much either right now.
I remember mentioning this earlier. Is it something that is planned to be added soon? I lost two characters because I assumed they would work IIRC.
Post by: i2amroy on May 19, 2015, 01:54:02 pm
Post by: Goron on May 19, 2015, 02:12:16 pm
If not,
I am assuming that there is still no framework in place to (easily) mod a simple gas generator which can have things plugged into it, so my question would be is that on anyone's todo list? Alternatively, is it something that a completely inexperienced person (me) could attempt to do on his own, or is it likely too complicated for my zero skill?
Gas generators are just too synonymous with zombie apocalypse for me to live without them 8)
Post by: i2amroy on May 19, 2015, 02:19:03 pm
Post by: Goron on May 19, 2015, 02:25:04 pm
Nobody is working on it that I know of at the moment, partly because it's a rather complex thing, and the benefits gained are pretty small since you can do pretty much everything it would allow you to do with the current vehicle system.Thanks, Got it.
So by 'complex thing' I assume that means it is likely beyond my ability to reasonably do as a complete novice.
Its a shame, but I guess beggars can't be choosers :-)
Post by: Salmeuk on May 19, 2015, 03:17:03 pm
Thanks, Got it.
So by 'complex thing' I assume that means it is likely beyond my ability to reasonably do as a complete novice.
Its a shame, but I guess beggars can't be choosers :-)
When I was first learning cata the vehicles weren't particularly difficult to figure out. And, frankly, for every conceivable purpose a stationary engine hooked up to a floodlight and an alternator acts just like a generator would in real life, even producing noise! (beware, parenthetical statements galore)
Things you need for this to happen (off the top of my head so take with a grain of salt):
hacksaw (to get the parts you need from wrecks)
screwdriver
wrench
welder / duct tape / acetylene torch
car engine
gas tank
metal or wood to make a vehicle frame
car, truck or motorcycle alternator
car, truck, motorcycle or storage battery
vehicle controls
A high enough level in mechanics to install the above car engine (v-twins need the least, v-12's need the most)
Using the construction menu, there is an option to begin vehicle construction. You will be prompted for material to build a frame. Once the frame is in place (make sure it is where you want it, or you can add some wheels if you want) 'e'xamine it and weld the engine on to the frame, then the alternator, then the battery, then the controls (I don't think it has to be in a specific order.) Add the floodlight or some coasters if you want, and finally dump some gasoline inside. (learn how to siphon gas from car wrecks on the wiki)
Voila! Homemmade electrical generator. Completely customizable and certain to provide power output for as long as you can keep 'er full!
As for uses of that power, the first thing you should look for is a rechargable battery mod + charging station. Tough to make but scour electronics stores. With those items, you can turn any normal device that uses batteries into a device that can take power from the generator you just built. Pretty cool! My most memorable character had some night-vision goggles outfitted with a recharging mod.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 19, 2015, 04:45:42 pm
Did you know that the sidewalk can catch fire? I did not know this. I started a small fire outside to clean up some junk (corpses and stuff). It turned into a major fire, spread to the sidewalk, and engulfed my radio station hideout. With all my food, supplies, books...a huge cache of everything I've acquired from this town. Including a full set of everything I needed to start serious metalworking as well as a giant supply of guns and ammo. Maybe the anvil will survive the fires...
On the bright side, I was out working on my truck when it happened, so I've got a working vehicle and a shopping cart full of welding tools. Time to scrounge up a full tank of gas (or perhaps liberate the gas station from its horde) and find a new town.
Post by: i2amroy on May 19, 2015, 04:48:14 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on May 19, 2015, 04:50:08 pm
Okay if a normal old sidewalk is burning without something on it then something is definitely wrong there. :P
Yeah, plain old sidewalk. I made very certain that the fire was out on the street and not touching the building.
Post by: i2amroy on May 19, 2015, 04:54:16 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on May 19, 2015, 05:28:22 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 19, 2015, 05:36:49 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on May 19, 2015, 05:41:41 pm
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything that would do that directly. However I am noting that fires can essentially "feed" nearby fire if they are sufficiently large enough to have "extra age" to burn, so if you had a very large fire next to the sidewalk it's possible that it slowly spread out onto the sidewalk and then kept that fire going (and they kept the ones next to them, and so on) through it's own fuel.
Hmm, that would make sense, I suppose. Well, good to know for the future.
A surprising amount of my stuff survived. Stashed it all in my truck and next time I play I'll see about getting out of Dodge.
Post by: n9103 on May 19, 2015, 06:11:22 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on May 20, 2015, 01:26:31 am
What cn you do withsoftware?
I can build a control laptop to convert turrets to my side. With these I can build better turrets from the vehicle additions mod.
Other than that, I think you might be able to use a PDA or an e-ink reader to get a recipe maybe. Or was that only from SD cards?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 20, 2015, 02:15:37 am
I've tried setting up a generator at one point, and... well, the list of parts and requirements for it doesn't quite make sense. You have to basically build a car sans wheels. Frame, engine, battery, alternator, fuel tank, controls. Add a folding seat and a unicycle wheel and it'll drive around no problem.
And then I thought, why not make the system a wee bit more involved? More granular, as it were. Just adding one of the components of the car back in, and making everything slightly more realistic, without adding excessive difficulty. I'm talking about starters.
Right now the "controls" item is a catch-all for a steering component, a starter control, and something resembling a dashboard with, apparently, cruise control built in. :P
Why not separate the starter from the engine? A regular electric starter is a small electric motor with a short rope or leather belt. A pull-string starter can be made from a long string and a pipe, requiring a certain strength to activate the engine of a given size. A crank starter can be just a pipe, and requires little strength, but some time. Of these, only the electric starter would require a battery, and only it would require a "controls" item to use - the other two could be used by interacting with the engine itself.
It'd also be neat if power-consuming devices could recognize power being generated, but not stored. Code-wise, put alternators ahead of other power-drawing items, so that the power they generate per tick is available for anything else to use, before it is capped by the zero available storage. In this way you could simplify a generator to a frame, alternator, engine, tank, and a manual starter. Minimum of parts required.
I'd personally separate the "dashboard" and the "steering" as well, but people might find that entirely too complicated. :)
Post by: Aseaheru on May 20, 2015, 06:00:09 am
Post by: n9103 on May 20, 2015, 11:28:19 am
I've tried setting up a generator at one point, and... well, the list of parts and requirements for it doesn't quite make sense. You have to basically build a car sans wheels. Frame, engine, battery, alternator, fuel tank, controls.That's sounds exactly what I would say a generator is built with.
As Asea said, starters are currently implied in engines. And with very few exceptions, that makes sense and should remain as such. (I can only name one, and that's older dirtbikes/motorcycles.)
Being a roguelike, abstracting the precise configuration that allows for building a v-twin powered generator with a semi-truck's gas tank, not so big a deal.
I think making this more specific would be needlessly tedious. Because at that point you would basically have to start specifying specific designs of each component for just about every type of machine in the game. Can't (reasonably) run a car with an APC control system. Can't (reasonably) make a motorcycle with a car's dash.
But then, this is coming from someone that believes the system is already too anal. I also thought the guns and ammo expansion went too far. To wit, I've only logged about a dozen hours in the last 6-12 months.
Post by: forsaken1111 on May 20, 2015, 11:38:27 am
How else do you make a generator?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 20, 2015, 11:49:03 am
Yeah isn't that basically what generators are? Obviously you need an engine to convert fuel into mechanical power, you'd need controls to start/stop it and throttle it, you'd need a frame to house the whole thing, an alternator converts mechanical power to zappy power, fuel tank holds the fuel, battery runs the starter and smooths out the power drawEngine+fuel tank, pull starter, dynamo attached via belt to engine. No controls. Especially no steering, no speedometer, no dome lights. Just a machine I manually activate and stop when needed.
How else do you make a generator?
Really, all this would change would be adding a "starter" part to most cars, which is basically a small electric engine plus belt or rope in crafting. With electric starters being the only ones activated via controls, and the other kinds allowing engines to be manually activated by 'e'xamining its tile.
Worst case scenario, keep your "integrated starters" if you like. But allow engines to be manually started sans controls! A dashboard and steering make no sense on a device that does not drive!
Post by: Aseaheru on May 20, 2015, 11:54:30 am
Dynamos are alternators. Steering and speedometers are just there because noone wants to add ~8 sets of control panels, the same reason why we only have one cardboard box.
Post by: BigD145 on May 20, 2015, 12:10:19 pm
Yeah isn't that basically what generators are? Obviously you need an engine to convert fuel into mechanical power, you'd need controls to start/stop it and throttle it, you'd need a frame to house the whole thing, an alternator converts mechanical power to zappy power, fuel tank holds the fuel, battery runs the starter and smooths out the power drawEngine+fuel tank, pull starter, dynamo attached via belt to engine. No controls. Especially no steering, no speedometer, no dome lights. Just a machine I manually activate and stop when needed.
How else do you make a generator?
Really, all this would change would be adding a "starter" part to most cars, which is basically a small electric engine plus belt or rope in crafting. With electric starters being the only ones activated via controls, and the other kinds allowing engines to be manually activated by 'e'xamining its tile.
Worst case scenario, keep your "integrated starters" if you like. But allow engines to be manually started sans controls! A dashboard and steering make no sense on a device that does not drive!
We already don't have key starts for vehicles. They're just using a push button. Having individual keys for every vehicle would add needless code bloat. A car IS a generator. It's also got a mechanical component that translates rotation to wheels. You're asking for a part that already exists, but happens to have a flashlight in it. A flashlight on a mechanical thing that turns gasoline into electricity. You're right. Totally unrealistic.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 20, 2015, 12:12:58 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 20, 2015, 12:16:24 pm
All generators, and for that matter lawnmowers, snowblowers, and weedwackers, I have seen have atleast one control, to turn the thing off. Most generators have atleast a clutch and a throttle of so kind, even if it is just on/off. Most generators arround new england also electric start, atleast the larger (bigger than a lawnmower) ones. Many also have casters...Please don't confuse a manufactured generator with a DIY one. :P
Dynamos are alternators. Steering and speedometers are just there because noone wants to add ~8 sets of control panels, the same reason why we only have one cardboard box.
Most generators would always run on the same throttle. Most engines have throttle controls exposed on them for maintenance. A clutch is just being generous, and if the engine has its transmission likewise integrated, the control mechanism for it is likewise exposed on the engine.
Point is, making a functioning engine + alternator combination should not be a matter that requires welding anything together. You should be able to make a wooden frame, affix a motor, a tank, and a dynamo to it with duct tape, then just start the motor. Battery optional. And you can't do that right now because you need a welder to make a controls item. And you can't even take controls off of vehicles early on anymore because the security system takes 8 skill to remove.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 20, 2015, 12:29:44 pm
Not all vehicles have security systems... I also think that you can remove controls from a vehicle with a broken security system, although I will have to check, so Ill be back in a moment, along with the vehicles without security systems.
Also, I believe you can make a makeshift welder fairly early on.
Bikes, APCs, MICs, food venders, golf carts, icecream carts, inflatible boats, quad bikes, Scooters, and Unicycles all have no security systems on them and have controlls. There are others without security, but do have controls.
Makeshift welders take 3 heating elements, 2 scrap, and eight wires, and needs... no skill whatsoever? Yah, it needs no skill whatsoever. the recipe is in some book, Mechanichal mastery has it, which is odd and should be fixed...
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 20, 2015, 02:03:44 pm
Post by: BigD145 on May 20, 2015, 02:14:03 pm
Eh, the welder is never the actual problem with welding. Any recipe for welding goggles?
Yes. Spray cans and bottles, I think. Best to check the raw item browser.
Post by: jocan2003 on May 20, 2015, 02:23:35 pm
Somebody can explain me what the (1) mean? and why out of no where i suddenly have less total encumbrance than i had before O.O without changing my clothing set?
Or explain the breakdown of the encumberment status screen?
Edit: Just realised the last number is the warmth factor.
Post by: Salmeuk on May 20, 2015, 08:20:39 pm
Post by: n9103 on May 20, 2015, 09:16:13 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 21, 2015, 02:36:35 am
Post by: Aseaheru on May 21, 2015, 06:40:57 am
Post by: n9103 on May 21, 2015, 09:40:09 am
Something simple like a few switches, a couple gauges, and maybe a lever.
Yea, I would support that idea. :)
Post by: widrox on May 23, 2015, 01:29:26 am
Post by: duckman on May 23, 2015, 03:30:46 am
I recently got new version of Cataclysm DDA after not playing for a long time and I don't know how to speed up reading. Is it a bug or what? It takes minutes in real time. I don't remember it being like that before. I wanted to ask that in official forum, but they got verification questions for elitist club of experts only...
Where/what are you reading? If there's a lot of activity happening around you, it'll take ages to get through. Fungals, blobs and other creatures that multiply or spawn in large numbers are especially bad for any activity that "speeds up" time. If you're reading a high level book that used to have 10 minute read times per skill update, it probably got the reading time changed to about 50 minutes.
As for their forums, I'd always figured that was why they don't have as many people on there as they really could. The game updates so quickly that I don't even remember which major structure out of those listed was supposed to be the feature of 0.B stable, so no account there for me either.
Anyways, while I'm here, I'd also like to report an issue with the Ursine mutation path in Version:93c35bb, where getting all of the mutations makes you dream about Rex and hatchlings. I think the Culler to Apex Predator and Sapiovore mutations tips something a bit too far towards Raptor. I didn't check if Beast is affected in the same way, but that might be worth looking into as well.
Post by: BigD145 on May 23, 2015, 09:13:44 am
I recently got new version of Cataclysm DDA after not playing for a long time and I don't know how to speed up reading. Is it a bug or what? It takes minutes in real time. I don't remember it being like that before. I wanted to ask that in official forum, but they got verification questions for elitist club of experts only...
Which new version? Stable C or Experimentals? Don't even bother with Stable.
Post by: widrox on May 23, 2015, 10:00:46 am
And about version - I will try experimental than.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 23, 2015, 10:07:28 am
However, if it takes a min to learn a skill from an early-level book,you either are playing with a really dim char, have slow reader, have far toomany things outside, or use a toaster for a computer...
Also, Stable does mean stable. Well, as stable as any in-development game can be. Experimentals are expected to crash all the time.
Post by: BigD145 on May 23, 2015, 10:21:55 am
Post by: widrox on May 23, 2015, 10:33:36 am
Programming it to ingnore things outside would just result in a stating game outside, which is somethng that noone wants, not really. Best bet, find a house somewhere with few baddies and settle down to read there. Reading takes a long time, but you are learning skills. Dim light, hunger, thirst, and being tired also slows it down, so remember that.
However, if it takes a min to learn a skill from an early-level book,you either are playing with a really dim char, have slow reader, have far toomany things outside, or use a toaster for a computer...
Also, Stable does mean stable. Well, as stable as any in-development game can be. Experimentals are expected to crash all the time.
My computer is more like a low mid or high low but certainly not a toaster. It run's Skyrim in max settings with 60 fps vsync enabled and newer games I played also run in high settings. Dwarf Fortress also goes along.
As for reading and programming I don't understand how it goes code wise and I am not even a programmer really, but maybe it could be speed up real time. The same it is but with faster display of text. I searched the internet and found that it is not only my problem, but that it's a bug introduced at least year ago... I know it should take time in game time , but for the player it would be better if it would not take minutes or more to just looking at the text and have game frozen in that time.
Also I have another question :) Yes it is with performance again. Kind of. Is it normal in tiles version full screen to close in 10-15 seconds (I mean after quitting the game)? Something like minimizing and maximizing for a couple of times (same with alt tabbing) and finally ends. It is normal if apps have different resolution than your desktop, but normally it only minimizes and maximizes once and quits, not like CDDA. I enabled it whole in HIPS so its not because of that.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 23, 2015, 10:35:09 am
As for reading and programming I don't understand how it goes code wise and I am not even a programmer really, but maybe it could be speed up real time. The same it is but with faster display of text. I searched the internet and found that it is not only my problem, but that it's a bug introduced at least year ago... I know it should take time in game time , but for the player it would be better if it would not take minutes or more to just looking at the text and have game frozen in that time.I think it already does this, and infact I am certain it does. Not as fast as sleeping, but it does speed it up.
Post by: gimlet on May 23, 2015, 10:40:57 am
Ahh, I think that grossly overstates it. I would say more that "It's POSSIBLE a particular experimental might crash" and in my experience anything as gross as a crash is fixed within half a day to a day at most. And the experimentals do have lots of bugfixes that the last Stable version doesn't.
The big plus/minus of experimentals imho is the changed/added features - if you happen to pick up an experimental just after something big went in, it might not be balanced or working 100% over all the possible weird things that can happen in a game of this scope. I usually don't mind that, but if it feels weird I do go check the last few pages of pull requests to see wassup, there's really not much other avenues of notification.
If you're getting fairly far in, and it would seriously bug you if you lost a ton of progress to a crash, DO go set autosaves every 5 or 10 minutes, or at least the question to save when you sleep. Also if you don't want to risk dying to something new and unknown, keep an Explorer window open and periodically save and copy the save directory (ie prepare to "savescum"). It gives me that feeling of safety, even though I almost never use it (I like to start fresh, the early days are the parts I tend to like most - risky, time pressure to get set up, and not piles and piles of stuff to manage, enjoyable as *that* can be when I'm in the mood for it).
And yeah, when reading eyeball how long each period takes and get a feel for what it should be (CLOSEish to the time listed in the book plus your obvious mods) and if it's way off try to figure out what's wrong - tired, bad light, low focus, big negative effects to Int or movement, whatever. And for sure don't read next to a room full of blobs or something, basement or middle of a cleared out area is recommended. Are you saying it takes a minute to learn a whole skill level? That's ... actually not so bad, that's like 10-15 periods even at low skill levels, each of which is about a half hour of game time, and it does get worse from there. A minute to sim 5-10 hours of game time? To me that's not crazy-excessive...
Post by: pedrousz on May 23, 2015, 10:42:29 am
Post by: Zireael on May 23, 2015, 11:25:01 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on May 23, 2015, 12:24:51 pm
There is any difference between the speed-up-because-I'm-reading/crafting from speed-up-because-I'm-sleeping?
Mechanically, at least from what I've seen, the main difference is that the sleep speed-up goes in 30-minute increments until 3-ish hours pass and then fast-forwards through until you wake up, while the reading/crafting goes in increments that are usually shorter and are based on the overall time needed to complete the process. For reading, for example, the increments are always measured in how long it takes you to read the book.
Post by: widrox on May 23, 2015, 12:36:09 pm
widrox, try experimenting with software rendering option to see if it fixes your performance problems.
Yeah I changed it and now it flips only two times and close the game a lot faster.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on May 23, 2015, 01:55:59 pm
Oh, just in case, my char's got most of the good slime mutations and uses dragon kung-fu.
Post by: Tnx on May 23, 2015, 02:02:34 pm
Post by: BigD145 on May 23, 2015, 02:05:58 pm
widrox, try experimenting with software rendering option to see if it fixes your performance problems.
Yeah I changed it and now it flips only two times and close the game a lot faster.
How to run on any graphics chipset:
Download the console experimental version.
Do not run full screen mode.
Play the game.
Post by: azmodean on May 23, 2015, 02:51:16 pm
I recently got new version of Cataclysm DDA after not playing for a long time and I don't know how to speed up reading. Is it a bug or what? It takes minutes in real time. I don't remember it being like that before. I wanted to ask that in official forum, but they got verification questions for elitist club of experts only...I took a look at the questions, and they had gotten pretty bad, we kept ratcheting them up because the spambots kept getting through, but it looks like it got out of hand at the end, sorry about that. The questions are less "flavorful" now, but you should be able to look up all the answers or they should be common knowledge (which enemy is alive, a wolf or a zombie?)
Has there been a change in armor recently? Specifically, does armor protect less than it used to? Just last week, I remember, being able to plow through a city while wearing active Power Armor. Only a direct hit from a Hulk could deal damage to me, and even then not so much. Now, I couldn't take a step without getting shredded by Feral Predators and the spit of Corrosive Zombies, and getting pain shot through the roof as a result. What could be the cause of this, exactly?A bug in armor coverage calculations was causing the value to be inverted, the more coverage you had, the worse it was. For a short time, chainmail bikinis were the best armor in the game. Fix merged last night.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 23, 2015, 03:05:56 pm
So which of the martial/weapon styles CAN'T you as a skill book?According to the item browser, skill books exist for all 26 styles except Brawling, which you learn by getting to level 2 unarmed combat. In-game, I've only ever stumbled upon books for Karate, Aikido, Boxing, Judo, Tai Chi, and Fencing, though, so I'm not very sure if the others are available. Also note that Boxing and Niten Ichi-Ryu can't be learned at character generation.
Post by: pedrousz on May 23, 2015, 03:28:28 pm
I don't know how this things work, so I'm downloading right now to see myself, seems awesome!
Post by: BigD145 on May 23, 2015, 07:31:40 pm
wait, is this on the last experimental version? https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/12347
I don't know how this things work, so I'm downloading right now to see myself, seems awesome!
Experimentals get built often enough maybe an hour after a commit. That looks like it's still open and not actually committed.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on May 23, 2015, 08:26:03 pm
A bug in armor coverage calculations was causing the value to be inverted, the more coverage you had, the worse it was. For a short time, chainmail bikinis were the best armor in the game. Fix merged last night.
Heh. I knew something wasn't quite right, but I never suspected it was that bad lol.
According to the item browser, skill books exist for all 26 styles except Brawling, which you learn by getting to level 2 unarmed combat. In-game, I've only ever stumbled upon books for Karate, Aikido, Boxing, Judo, Tai Chi, and Fencing, though, so I'm not very sure if the others are available. Also note that Boxing and Niten Ichi-Ryu can't be learned at character generation.
Looking through the JSONs, I've found spawnable manuals for:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As for me, aside from the ones you listed, I myself managed to find a manual for Niten Ichi-Ryu exactly once.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 24, 2015, 12:28:03 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 24, 2015, 12:48:10 am
Death by codeine overdose for popping 5 pills over 4 hours? Seriously? ::)Did you have the Lightweight trait? Even if you didn't, 5 doses of codeine in an entire day is still an overdose in real life and likely to cause symptoms, if not death.
Looking through the JSONs, I've found spawnable manuals for:Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Book locations (click to show/hide)
Based on this, to answer the original question by Tnx, I'd say the ones you can't learn from skill books are the 10 Kung Fu styles, Zui Quan, and Muay Thai.
AFAIK you can also sometimes learn martial arts from NPCs who're in your debt, just like any other skills. IIRC I once learned Dragon Kung Fu that way.
Post by: Tnx on May 24, 2015, 12:53:26 am
Post by: Salmeuk on May 24, 2015, 02:32:14 am
I was having a good first day, having filled up an emergency shelter with the basics, when I managed to run over Brad Hertfelt with my recently acquired car. I looted his SMG, a Calico 590 or something to that effect, and went off to find a previously noted house full of gun modifications and miscellaneous ammunition.
Upon returning to my shelter night had fallen, so I prepared to read for a few hours before tucking in to my hastily gathered blanket-pile. Entering from the right-hand side of the shelter, I made my way across the dusty concrete to the left side, where my food and nest were located. That's when I saw the first yellow "?".
One more step, now there's 5 yellow "?"'s just outside the wall. Did I mention my character has great listening so those "?"'s aren't just an approximation?
One more step and the windows burst open, my flashlight flicking on to reveal . . . exactly what you expected (a commonly used vulgarity that stands for sexual intercourse-ton of undead).
There is a certain sort of pressure, or stress, that comes from having maybe ten in-game movement turns to grab what you can carry before hundreds of zombies flood your base. It feels like a real decision, not some shoehorned 'choose A or B' narrative dichotomy that AAA gaming falls back onto so frequently. All these separately programmed systems come together to produce a scene out of a movie and it feels entirely organic. This sort of thing is why I play Cata.
Anyways I managed to grab the important bits and throw them into the trunk of that car I had found. Jumping in the drivers seat, slamming the door and twisting the key I started it up and sped off, zombies chasing aft - wait what there's no battery charge left?! fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
That's where I am now, and it isn't the first time I've found myself stranded and running, lugging along a heavily modified tactical weapon that I can't even use properly and a backpack full of not food (who needs food?) but books.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Eventually I'll make my way back to the car, there's too much there to simply forget.
Post by: Gamerlord on May 24, 2015, 03:09:40 am
I recently started a new world with wander spawns turned on, just to shake up the usual playstyle.Yeah, wander spawns are ridiculously OP on the first day; it's best just to go nomad for a day or two in a random direction, looting as you go and dragging along a shopping trolley or something. The spawns seem to die down after that.
I was having a good first day, having filled up an emergency shelter with the basics, when I managed to run over Brad Hertfelt with my recently acquired car. I looted his SMG, a Calico 590 or something to that effect, and went off to find a previously noted house full of gun modifications and miscellaneous ammunition.
Upon returning to my shelter night had fallen, so I prepared to read for a few hours before tucking in to my hastily gathered blanket-pile. Entering from the right-hand side of the shelter, I made my way across the dusty concrete to the left side, where my food and nest were located. That's when I saw the first yellow "?".
One more step, now there's 5 yellow "?"'s just outside the wall. Did I mention my character has great listening so those "?"'s aren't just an approximation?
One more step and the windows burst open, my flashlight flicking on to reveal . . . exactly what you expected (a commonly used vulgarity that stands for sexual intercourse-ton of undead).
There is a certain sort of pressure, or stress, that comes from having maybe ten in-game movement turns to grab what you can carry before hundreds of zombies flood your base. It feels like a real decision, not some shoehorned 'choose A or B' narrative dichotomy that AAA gaming falls back onto so frequently. All these separately programmed systems come together to produce a scene out of a movie and it feels entirely organic. This sort of thing is why I play Cata.
Anyways I managed to grab the important bits and throw them into the trunk of that car I had found. Jumping in the drivers seat, slamming the door and twisting the key I started it up and sped off, zombies chasing aft - wait what there's no battery charge left?! fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
That's where I am now, and it isn't the first time I've found myself stranded and running, lugging along a heavily modified tactical weapon that I can't even use properly and a backpack full of not food (who needs food?) but books.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Eventually I'll make my way back to the car, there's too much there to simply forget.
Post by: pedrousz on May 24, 2015, 08:18:22 am
Post by: gimlet on May 24, 2015, 08:20:09 am
Post by: scrdest on May 24, 2015, 12:16:52 pm
Quick for sure was 3, I *think* fleet-footed was the same.I'm fairly sure fleet-footed was 2 points for, like, forever.
Post by: FArgHalfnr on May 24, 2015, 12:24:39 pm
Post by: Descan on May 24, 2015, 01:43:35 pm
a backpack full of not food (who needs food?) but books. Look, man, I was scared back there and couldn't think properly.No, I think you were thinking incredibly properly.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 24, 2015, 01:51:20 pm
Its the proverbial person teaching you to fish.
Post by: scrdest on May 24, 2015, 02:39:40 pm
Its the proverbial person teaching you to fish.'Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day, but teach a man to fish and you will feed him until zombies controlled by extradimensional amorphous life ambush him while he is reading a human flesh cookbook perched on a child's corpse while high on literally everything.'
Post by: Aseaheru on May 24, 2015, 02:43:08 pm
Exactly.Its the proverbial person teaching you to fish.'Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day, but teach a man to fish and you will feed him until zombies controlled by extradimensional amorphous life ambush him while he is reading a human flesh cookbook perched on a child's corpse while high on literally everything.'
Also: To OOCAFQ's!
Post by: The13thRonin on May 24, 2015, 04:03:37 pm
Anyone know the steps to decompile and recompile the tiles version for Windows under Codeblocks?
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on May 24, 2015, 04:28:07 pm
Anyone know the steps to decompile and recompile the tiles version for Windows under Codeblocks?
Fork the official repo (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA). Compile with TILES=1.
Post by: The13thRonin on May 24, 2015, 04:29:56 pm
Anyone know the steps to decompile and recompile the tiles version for Windows under Codeblocks?
Fork the official repo (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA). Compile with TILES=1.
Doesn't work. Compiler spits out errors and freezes up.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 24, 2015, 10:22:15 pm
Do you have all dependencies? SDL2, SDL2_ttf, SDL2_image? The .dll's necessary to run things? There's a thread on the forum that has all dependencies in one archive, I believe.Anyone know the steps to decompile and recompile the tiles version for Windows under Codeblocks?
Fork the official repo (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA). Compile with TILES=1.
Doesn't work. Compiler spits out errors and freezes up.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 25, 2015, 06:41:34 am
Post by: Sheb on May 25, 2015, 06:42:45 am
Post by: BigD145 on May 25, 2015, 08:17:46 am
Post by: Gamerlord on May 25, 2015, 08:22:42 am
Post by: ejseto on May 25, 2015, 08:05:25 pm
Do you have all dependencies? SDL2, SDL2_ttf, SDL2_image? The .dll's necessary to run things? There's a thread on the forum that has all dependencies in one archive, I believe.Anyone know the steps to decompile and recompile the tiles version for Windows under Codeblocks?
Fork the official repo (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA). Compile with TILES=1.
Doesn't work. Compiler spits out errors and freezes up.
It's UNBELIEVABLE how much crap you have to go through to compile this. The Code Blocks project is horribly out-of-date.
First, go here http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=7646.msg182309#msg182309 and get the libraries. Extract the "include" and "lib" folders in each archive into the "3rdparty" folder (create it) in your cloned repository, i.e. "c:\Cataclysm-DDA\3rdparty\lib" and "c:\Cataclysm-DDA\3rdparty\include". Now, copy the whole "include" folder and copy it into the "src" folder and rename it "SDL2," i.e. "c:\Cataclysm-DDA\src\SDL2." Now, copy all files ending in .dll from the "3rdparty\lib\x86" folder to the root repository folder, i.e. "c:\Cataclysm-DDA".
That's all for file manipulation, but you're STILL not done. In the Code Blocks project file, go into project->build options menu. Click on "Release - Tile Support" and then on "Linker Settings." You need to change the 4 libraries to their SDL2 versions, i.e. the 4 entries should be:
3rdparty\lib\x86\SDL2.lib
3rdparty\lib\x86\SDL2main.lib
3rdparty\lib\x86\SDL2_image.lib
3rdparty\lib\x86\SDL2_ttf.lib
But GUESS WHAT. YOU ARE STILL NOT DONE. Now you need GCC 4.9.0. And GUESS WHAT. There's like 10 different versions/permutations of it. You need i686-4.9.0-win32-sjlj-rt_v3-rev2. First, go here for the installer:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw-w64/
Run the installer, select:
Version 4.9.0
Architecture i686
Threads win32
Exception sjlj
Build revision 2
I'm not sure if different settings will work, but I'll be damned if I'm going to test it. Go nuts if you're of a mind. Now you have GCC 4.9.0. But YOU ARE STILL NOT DONE. You have to configure Code Blocks to use it. Go to the Settings->Compiler menu. Assuming you installed it to the default path "C:\mingw-w64\i686-4.9.0-win32-sjlj-rt_v3-rev2", hit the "Copy" button to copy your GNU GCC settings. Name it whatever you like, but I would go with "GNU GCC 4.9.0". Change the settings to match where you installed MinGW64, i.e. if you used default settings:
Compiler's installation directory: C:\mingw-w64\i686-4.9.0-win32-sjlj-rt_v3-rev2\mingw32
C Compiler: i686-w64-mingw32-gcc.exe
C++ Compiler: i686-w64-mingw32-g++.exe
Linker for dynamic libs: i686-w64-mingw32-g++.exe
The rest you can leave same as the old GCC. While you're here, do yourself a HUGE favor and go to the "build options" tab. Set the "number of parallel processes" to something nice like 4 (or more) depending on your hardware. This thing takes long enough to compile in parallel, don't waste time doing it one file at a time. Now, YOU ARE STILL NOT DONE, BUT YOU ARE CLOSE. Go back to the "Project->Build options" menu. Change the "Selected Compiler" to "GNU GCC 4.9.0" or whatever you named it. Click the dropdown box below the "wxSmith" menu item and change "Release" to "Release - Tile Support". Click the "Build->Build" menu item or hit CTRL-F9. Once it's finished building, you can run the game by running your shiny new Cataclysm-Tiles.exe.
I think that's everything, since I decided to clone a new repo just to test this. But considering how long this is, I might have left something out.
Post by: n9103 on May 25, 2015, 08:24:37 pm
I compiled this once. That's all, just once.
Quickly said f-it the moment it finished.
Post by: ejseto on May 25, 2015, 08:30:41 pm
Looks about right.
I compiled this once. That's all, just once.
Quickly said f-it the moment it finished.
I suspect that's what EVERYONE said once they got it to compile, hence the lack of proper instructions. The simple fact is nobody really remembers and nobody needs or WANTS to remember.
Post by: i2amroy on May 25, 2015, 09:47:21 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 25, 2015, 11:03:01 pm
Of course, it might have changed since I last worked on it.
Post by: BigD145 on May 25, 2015, 11:59:33 pm
Post by: azmodean on May 26, 2015, 02:00:17 am
Mingw also has some missing pieces of c++11 support (std::to_string()) that we're working around, as well as broken support for even older functionality that has something to do with conflicting Windows headers, but we also do our best to maintain compatibility with a reasonably recent Mingw (4.9.0), precisely because it's such a popular tool.
If you're insisting on building with SDL from the start, you're doing it to yourself, there's a reason those are optional dependencies, it's because dependencies in general, and SDL in particular are a pain in the ass to deal with. We've put a lot of work into keeping SDL, gettext, and lua as optional dependencies exactly because we want it to be as easy as possible to build the project.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 26, 2015, 02:33:16 am
As far as I know, if you go to http://www.codeblocks.org/downloads/26 and download/install codeblocks-13.12mingw-setup-TDM-GCC-481.exe, it should be a recent enough gcc that it will build cataclysm. If not, report the issue, and we will fix it, we are already avoiding several library calls that are broken in that particular gcc version (map::emplace() for whatever reason) in order to maintain compatibility with a very commonly used build tool. Unfortunately there's no automated test for that build failing, since Jenkins uses (must use) a cross-compiler instead of TDM-GCC.It's usually good enough to build the terminal version if you're adding mechanics to the game, or fixing bugs. Unfortunately the thing I want to do most now, requires me to meddle in SDL.
Mingw also has some missing pieces of c++11 support (std::to_string()) that we're working around, as well as broken support for even older functionality that has something to do with conflicting Windows headers, but we also do our best to maintain compatibility with a reasonably recent Mingw (4.9.0), precisely because it's such a popular tool.
If you're insisting on building with SDL from the start, you're doing it to yourself, there's a reason those are optional dependencies, it's because dependencies in general, and SDL in particular are a pain in the ass to deal with. We've put a lot of work into keeping SDL, gettext, and lua as optional dependencies exactly because we want it to be as easy as possible to build the project.
That, and I really like my font setup too much to use the "all in one font" terminal version. :P
Post by: ejseto on May 26, 2015, 07:20:20 am
I have a single folder called WinDepend that holds all required files arrayed as they need to be. All relevant project paths are simplified to "/WinDepend". I had no trouble setting up either Code::Blocks or the GCC compiler.
Of course, it might have changed since I last worked on it.
The .cbp has changed, in a piecemeal and incomplete manner. The libraries point to SDL1, while SDL2 is now used. You can't compile the tiles version straight out of the box, even with the correct libraries, because the .cbp doesn't even use the correct libraries.
If you're insisting on building with SDL from the start, you're doing it to yourself, there's a reason those are optional dependencies, it's because dependencies in general, and SDL in particular are a pain in the ass to deal with. We've put a lot of work into keeping SDL, gettext, and lua as optional dependencies exactly because we want it to be as easy as possible to build the project.
Why the hostility? "Building SDL from the start" is "doing it to yourself?" How is hitting CTRL-F9 going to compile the console version going to teach you anything about how libraries work? There is no way to learn this without either being taught, or stumbling your own way through by reading the compiler errors. There is no gentle learning curve here. Compiling the console version is not a tutorial. Why even bother with SDL support if you're going to make it impossible for a newbie to actually start tinkering with it? "Oh, this is hard, you're on your own, and it's your own fault, I'm going to now laugh at your pitiful attempts to find documentation, huehuehue."
Some of us play tiles. Some of us want to add mechanics. Some of these mechanics aren't worth sharing because frankly they might not be balanced. We shouldn't be forced into this false dichotomy of either tinkering or tiles. The fact that the .cbp THAT COMES WITH THE REPO will NOT work is a serious problem. Not only will it not compile tiles, but since it's part of the repo, it will OVERWRITE my changes, forcing me to commit changes to a file I shouldn't have to, which will likely result in merge conflicts down the road, even if due to Git's incompetence these conflicts don't actually contain any conflicts.
Telling people they can't tinker unless they compile the console version or complete Hercules' 12 Labors is extremely short-sighted. A lot (if not most or even all) people tinker because they enjoy the game. If they're playing tiles, and it comes to either actually playing with their tinkered game in console mode or playing stock tiles, how many do you think will choose console? Do you really want an additional barrier to dev entry?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 26, 2015, 08:21:35 am
No, that sounds about right. Just set up your dependencies folder and change all paths to point to it. Should really be just one line in every path list, "WinDepend", assuming you put it into the project folder like I did.I have a single folder called WinDepend that holds all required files arrayed as they need to be. All relevant project paths are simplified to "/WinDepend". I had no trouble setting up either Code::Blocks or the GCC compiler.
Of course, it might have changed since I last worked on it.
The .cbp has changed, in a piecemeal and incomplete manner. The libraries point to SDL1, while SDL2 is now used. You can't compile the tiles version straight out of the box, even with the correct libraries, because the .cbp doesn't even use the correct libraries.
The reason it's out of date in that regard is because hardly anyone works on the SDL builds specifically. Especially on Windows. You can add and test mechanics with the curses build, and the Jenkins compiler (I'm assuming that's what the online compiler service thing is called) handles the different versions from there. This means people who need to work with Windows-SDL are rare enough that they can usually just fend for themselves.
Post by: i2amroy on May 26, 2015, 01:46:04 pm
The reason it's out of date in that regard is because hardly anyone works on the SDL builds specifically. Especially on Windows. You can add and test mechanics with the curses build, and the Jenkins compiler (I'm assuming that's what the online compiler service thing is called) handles the different versions from there. This means people who need to work with Windows-SDL are rare enough that they can usually just fend for themselves.Pretty much this. Just about any sort of mechanic change that you want to change and build can be done on the curses version, and Jenkins handles all of the actual builds. There is literally no reason why you would ever need an SDL build for developing unless you were specifically tinkering with the SDL stuff yourself.
On the other hand, if you can see a way to update the Code::Blocks project to make it easier for people to compile the SDL version (without forcing everyone who isn't planning to compile it with SDL to download libraries they will never need) then feel free to do it and PR a change, which I'm sure would go in. The fact is that it's Open-Source, so if you see improvements you can make then feel free to throw up a PR. I know that I will never be making them, because I'm never going to use the SDL version (and I know a fair number of the other devs feel similarly), but that doesn't mean that we're against them if somebody else wants to. It just means that they are pretty low on our priority lists (and thus there are tons of things above them). Then if there's no documentation, then write some, and then there will be some for everybody else. I'm certainly not going to do it, because I don't use it enough to particularly care how it works. :P
That said I know that I would certainly love it if somebody wanted to come in and make sure the SDL builds and C::B projects were totally up to date and working, because it would mean less things that I have to worry about breaking by accident.
Post by: ejseto on May 26, 2015, 04:46:56 pm
Then if there's no documentation, then write some, and then there will be some for everybody else.
I just did. It's on this page (edit: or the previous page at least) in fact. I understand your position of, "It's not worth my time," certainly. But I think it's short-sighted to say there's no reason for it. My own personal experience is that I've made a lot of modifications that weren't worth sharing because they're borderline (or outright) cheats. Some of these things resulted in "spill-over," things that were worth merging and did get merged. If people like me were to be presented with the choice to mod the console version or play stock tiles, how many would just abandon the entire endeavor? Not everyone mods for the community. Some mod for themselves. But that doesn't mean the community won't benefit.
Post by: Gentlefish on May 26, 2015, 05:53:48 pm
Then if there's no documentation, then write some, and then there will be some for everybody else.
I just did. It's on this page (edit: or the previous page at least) in fact. I understand your position of, "It's not worth my time," certainly. But I think it's short-sighted to say there's no reason for it. My own personal experience is that I've made a lot of modifications that weren't worth sharing because they're borderline (or outright) cheats. Some of these things resulted in "spill-over," things that were worth merging and did get merged. If people like me were to be presented with the choice to mod the console version or play stock tiles, how many would just abandon the entire endeavor? Not everyone mods for the community. Some mod for themselves. But that doesn't mean the community won't benefit.
Well, make it official and put it up on github. Since it's open-source, "devs" means "any one who puts something into it" so be a dev!
Post by: ejseto on May 26, 2015, 06:00:47 pm
Well, make it official and put it up on github. Since it's open-source, "devs" means "any one who puts something into it" so be a dev!
It's a step-by-step tutorial on how to compile the tiles version. What am I supposed to do, PR a text file? If someone wants to include it in the docs, that's fine by me, but I wouldn't know where to put it. It's also not exactly professional, since I express my exasperation with the process repeatedly.
Post by: Sting_Auer on May 26, 2015, 10:37:33 pm
Dozens of giant ants died.
The Jabberwock was killed.
I've let the ants be for the time being, they've earned it.
Post by: i2amroy on May 26, 2015, 11:29:37 pm
What am I supposed to do, PR a text file? If someone wants to include it in the docs, that's fine by me, but I wouldn't know where to put it. It's also not exactly professional, since I express my exasperation with the process repeatedly.Yes? We have a docs folder precisely for things like this. Ideally you would PR any fixes for broken links in the Code::Blocks project that you found as well, but if a text file is all you have then that's perfectly fine to go in. If you feel it isn't professional then cut out the parts of it that you don't think are professional and put what's left into a text file. I assure you that any writeup that I do isn't going to be any better than the one that you have there. :P
Post by: Kruniac on May 27, 2015, 02:26:12 am
...Holy shit. The tileset. The crafting. The faction fighting.
I FUCKING LOVE CATACLYSM TEN TIMES MORE THAN I DID, WHICH MAKES HOW MUCH I LOVE CATACLYSM 10X389172398712387^10
Seriously. I have insomnia tonight and have been pretty negative. This fixed that. Long live great games!
CATACLYSM IS THE ANSWER TO NEGATIVITY! :D
Also - My character was named after me. Rolled a Survivalist (Using the in the woods mod). Set up my shelter/roll near a river. Took a long time checking my new crafting options. Was immediately overwhelmed by the sheer number of things I could craft.
I was only moderately bothered when I committed suicide. The reason? I didn't want to be a 7 point profession (I figure it'll be too easy). My tombstone: I was too awesome.
I urge all of you who haven't already to play this game immediately. Like right now. :D
Post by: BigD145 on May 27, 2015, 08:22:57 am
I urge all of you who haven't already to play this game immediately. Like right now. :D
We've been playing for years. Thanks, though.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 27, 2015, 08:58:40 am
Post by: Goron on May 27, 2015, 02:54:46 pm
I have been using splintered wood in a fireplace for cooking and night time light.
Recently I went and chopped down a tree, thinking logs would be better/more efficient fuel.
But I notice that one log burns for about ten minutes (enough to cook one clean water), while just two splintered wood will burn for enough time to cook several bottles of water.
that can't be right... can it?
Is there a better solution for wood fuel?
thanks.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on May 27, 2015, 03:10:25 pm
This is true, to an extent, in real life as well. At least in the case of most hardwood, it takes an incredible amount of temperature for a log to properly catch fire, and a great deal of time for it to burn through. This is why splitting wood is a thing: it increases the surface area and makes the wood actually burn longer and more thoroughly without requiring a bunch of extra fuel to provide the needed high temperatures and longevity.
Post by: Goron on May 27, 2015, 03:17:13 pm
Logs are too big to burn through on their own. It's generally a better idea to chop them up into some kind of 'firewood' like planks or heavy sticks, which will actually properly catch fire and provide a decent amount of fuel.That makes sense... except one part is both correct and incorrect: the bigger the log the longer it burns in an established fire. The less surface area results in a lower temperature but longer burn. That said you are correct that just lighting a long on fire doesn't last long or do much, but in a proper environment, such as a wood stove, once you get the heat up and a fire going inserting large logs will result in a slow (long) burn. But again, in my situation where I do not have a fire already going, my logs are burning out quickly, which makes sense.
This is true, to an extent, in real life as well. At least in the case of most hardwood, it takes an incredible amount of temperature for a log to properly catch fire, and a great deal of time for it to burn through. This is why splitting wood is a thing: it increases the surface area and makes the wood actually burn longer and more thoroughly without requiring a bunch of extra fuel to provide the needed high temperatures and longevity.
thanks for the quick answer!
I guess I'll need to go find a saw or something so I can cut my logs down further.
Post by: Rince Wind on May 27, 2015, 03:39:10 pm
The only use I found for logs (aside from logwalls, of course) is making charcoal.
Post by: Sheb on May 27, 2015, 03:43:49 pm
Post by: Nighthawk on May 27, 2015, 03:51:40 pm
Logs are great to replenish your batteries with an internal furnace. They give like 500 power each.And once again I find myself laughing at the thought of a survivor chowing down on a log.
Time to make a character, name him Woody, give myself internal furnace and an axe (with the name "Lucy" inscribed on it) and run around eating forests.
Post by: n9103 on May 27, 2015, 09:31:10 pm
Post by: Zireael on May 28, 2015, 04:10:05 am
Speaking of PRing text files, would it be in any way advisable to make the game default to two different fonts for the game/map windows, and the respective sidebars? Standard squished font for sidebars with all the text, square font for maps, now that it comes with a square and a a non-square font by default. There's no way to do it from within the game, and I don't know how many people even know it's possible to do it.
I think something like this has been PR'ed already but might require user input or something.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on May 28, 2015, 05:44:38 am
Which, on reflection, is kind of ridiculous. Tilesets can be changed on the fly. A simple implementation to select three fonts out of those available in the fonts folder should be fairly easy. A more complex implementation that would have a preview of the each selected font should also be possible. Though changes won't take effect until the game is restarted, just like with viewport size.
/me grumbles at the horrible disjointed mess of UI code that prevented him from making the resizable window PR work.
Post by: Zireael on May 28, 2015, 11:41:20 am
In any event, I believe someone (DaveK?) was going to streamline the UI code soonish.
Post by: BigD145 on May 28, 2015, 12:47:21 pm
Post by: Kaitol on May 28, 2015, 01:02:46 pm
Does str effect the swing speed of slow, heavy weapons? Like if I maxed out a character at 20 str and then got the hydraulic muscles CBM that gives you 20 more str and popped some drugs to make an uberhulk, would he be able to swing a sledgehammer or log or tree much faster and more accurately than a "normal" character?
If not, why? Would it be difficult to put in a basic formula for the heavier an object is the more str affects its time to swing?
Would it be possible to make a character strong enough to realistically throw a car far enough to be worthwhile, and if so would it be possible to make vehicles throwable while dragging them?
In essence, can I has Hulk?
Post by: jocan2003 on May 28, 2015, 01:16:34 pm
Post by: Kaitol on May 28, 2015, 01:55:22 pm
Post by: jocan2003 on May 28, 2015, 02:09:54 pm
Post by: Kaitol on May 28, 2015, 03:01:24 pm
Post by: duckman on May 28, 2015, 08:31:07 pm
Temporary (green) strength boosts don't seem have any visible effect on damage in the status screen, though it does increase your carry weight, so that probably needs some looking into unless it's intended.
Post by: n9103 on May 28, 2015, 09:39:28 pm
Post by: duckman on May 30, 2015, 03:44:22 pm
So we've got Hulk Smash, but not Hulk Smash And Bash. Noted.Well, not entirely, I think temporary strength does affect the multipliers from Muay Thai (that really needs an update on the wiki, size multipliers aren't a thing for it anymore as far as I can see) and Tiger Kung Fu.
Post by: i2amroy on May 30, 2015, 04:39:28 pm
Post by: azmodean on May 31, 2015, 05:01:03 pm
I haven't been this excited about a feature since the "nearest items menu".
Post by: Mephansteras on May 31, 2015, 05:43:52 pm
Any word on how the NPC work is going? I found references that someone or other was working on them, but no further information on it.
Post by: azmodean on May 31, 2015, 07:00:43 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on May 31, 2015, 07:49:49 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on May 31, 2015, 09:14:08 pm
Our NPC and faction superstar goes by acidia, they are responsible for the prison, the mall, the refugee center, and now an outpost of the refugee center called the farming commune. It doesn't exist unless you do refugee center missions, then it gets started, and it grows as you complete its (gigantic) quest chain. The current feature set is the commune selling you a field on the grounds and planting/harvesting crops for you, and providing missions for your followers to do (it's like a cross between Suikoden and FFT, and it's freaking amazing).
It's freaking amazing.
Post by: jocan2003 on May 31, 2015, 09:33:47 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 02, 2015, 08:55:18 pm
Although I had a funny situation, I parked the vehicle I was in decently far from a city, turned on the dome lights to start reading, get interrupted while grabbing the book with an npc telling me to drop my umbrella. ::) I just drove away.
Post by: Gamerlord on June 02, 2015, 11:42:45 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 02, 2015, 11:52:40 pm
Wait, what's going on? Is there a new update?
Practically daily, yes.
Post by: etgfrog on June 03, 2015, 12:29:52 am
If you want to see what changes get implemented:
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pulse
Post by: ollobrains on June 03, 2015, 06:08:19 am
Post by: Aseaheru on June 03, 2015, 01:12:30 pm
I think he is talking about stable updates...Wait, what's going on? Is there a new update?
Practically daily, yes.
Post by: BigD145 on June 03, 2015, 01:28:39 pm
I think he is talking about stable updates...Wait, what's going on? Is there a new update?
Practically daily, yes.
"Stable" is only skin deep. It is but a name.
Post by: Tnx on June 04, 2015, 10:04:28 pm
Post by: azmodean on June 08, 2015, 02:32:08 am
Acidia's latest batch of NPC/mission/location/plot goodness landed, and the vision and lighting overhaul I've been working on for a month.
Post by: Tnx on June 08, 2015, 02:37:53 am
Post by: azmodean on June 08, 2015, 02:49:59 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 08, 2015, 03:08:48 am
Post by: Zireael on June 08, 2015, 04:48:37 am
I'm not seeing either in the closed/merged PRs list in the repo for some reason.
That's because the list sorts by opened date, not closed date.
Acidia's is #12462 https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/12462 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/12462) and Kevin's is #12290 https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/12290 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/12290)
That was further than page 6, I think 7 for acidia and found Kevin's by filtering by contributor name.
Post by: jocan2003 on June 08, 2015, 07:26:30 am
Post by: BigD145 on June 08, 2015, 08:09:10 am
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Post by: Akura on June 08, 2015, 10:44:24 am
Eeeenterestink...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Really? Neato.
Post by: pedrousz on June 08, 2015, 11:15:49 am
omfg
I didn't even realized that there was so many so I start from the beginning, revising the first ones, and completing what was missing, etc, but I guess I will just jumped in what is missing
just to be sure, how the https://translations.launchpad.net/cdda works? it gets news strings every stable patch or what?
also, how it is the accept structure to text + hotkey? like if I need to say that examine has the k hotkey should I put [k]examine? or examine[k]? or try to find a word with k to replace examine? lol
Post by: azmodean on June 08, 2015, 11:31:54 pm
Launchpad tracks the main branch until a stable branch is cut, at which point we make a branch on launchpad to mirror it and let people finish their translations without their strings getting stomped on by continuing string changes.
You might want to check out the translation board on the official forums: http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?board=14.0
For all I know there's already a Brazilian translation in progress :)
I remember we try and do something translator friendly with hotkeys, but I can't recall how it works right now and a few minutes of rummaging through the code has not reminded me how it works.
Post by: Micro102 on June 10, 2015, 11:52:45 pm
Post by: Tnx on June 10, 2015, 11:58:50 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on June 11, 2015, 01:05:01 am
Post by: azmodean on June 12, 2015, 11:04:21 pm
Yah, those community plans sound awesome, especially if our scavenging runs and such can benefit the community as a whole. It gives a greater sense of purpose to everything, pretty much./me sounds out the words
be-ni-fit... co-mu-ni-tee...
I don't understand...
Oh right, "keep emergency food supply healthy", got it ;)
Post by: BigD145 on June 14, 2015, 12:03:19 pm
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Post by: Akura on June 14, 2015, 12:19:13 pm
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Post by: BigD145 on June 14, 2015, 12:45:10 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 14, 2015, 04:42:05 pm
Post by: i2amroy on June 14, 2015, 06:17:35 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 14, 2015, 07:58:04 pm
Open up data/json/scenario/scenarios.json. Take a look at the lab scenarios, they should show you how to enable any mutations you want to add to any given scenario. Then just save the changed text file and reboot cataclysm and you shod be good. :)
That should work, but I remember a mod that made mutations act as traits during character creation.
Post by: Akura on June 15, 2015, 11:05:39 am
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 15, 2015, 10:03:27 pm
you spawn in a neverending mall
thats it
Post by: n9103 on June 15, 2015, 11:19:10 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 15, 2015, 11:59:50 pm
Mall of America mode? :P
Mall of America mode? :PMore like Buy'n'Large mode. :P
Post by: Akura on June 16, 2015, 09:59:47 am
I haven't yet killed every last one of them, even three days later. It doesn't help that I still haven't fully shaken off the mood hit from killing the bandits, but I can finally read skillbooks again.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 16, 2015, 01:25:08 pm
Wow. I fired one gunshot at a bandit(see ownage thread), and zombies come from miles and miles around. There were at least two shocker brutes in that horde, plus a lot of grapplers. I think I picked up the Sleepy mutation during that battle - huge boomers do that?
I haven't yet killed every last one of them, even three days later. It doesn't help that I still haven't fully shaken off the mood hit from killing the bandits, but I can finally read skillbooks again.
what are bandits? are they experimental?
Post by: jocan2003 on June 16, 2015, 03:15:31 pm
Post by: Sheb on June 16, 2015, 03:26:41 pm
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Post by: Akura on June 17, 2015, 02:50:24 pm
Next was the drive there. I stopped over the night at a farmhouse, but that direction was blocked by forests. The attempt at burning the forest down didn't help, so I went around. That route led through an absolutely massive horde. I pushed through, there was no other way. The first thing to go were the rearview mirrors, and I did not stop to pick them up. Next, a seemingly critical hit to the front end pushed the battery from yellow to red condition, which meant the alternator was not producing enough juice to keep up with the leak. I pulled right up to the ranch house just after the battery hit 0%.
Now the place is surrounded by zombies. To deal with it, I headed to a nearby town, found a house with a basement(survivalist basement with food, medicine, and a bed), blew up an explosive device a few blocks down, and camped down in the basement for a while. Drew enough of them off that I could probably fight the rest with my reinforced steel spear and caltrops.
During all this, I was perpetually tired from a combination of the Sleepy mutation and a cold. The drive away from the refugee center(before the farmhouse I found) was in a state of Dead Tired!.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 17, 2015, 03:40:25 pm
is there a way i can "run"?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 17, 2015, 03:48:17 pm
Post by: Mookzen on June 17, 2015, 03:57:25 pm
Post by: ejseto on June 17, 2015, 05:26:48 pm
i see next to my stamina it says "walk"
is there a way i can "run"?
Yep. Don't remember the default key but it should be in the keybindings under "Toggle move mode."
Post by: i2amroy on June 17, 2015, 05:29:22 pm
Assuming enemies can still see in 360 degrees I would very much like to see 'facing' introduced.Facing is pretty much out right now for three main reasons:
1) Each turn is 6 whole seconds right now, which is plenty of time to look around.
2) It means that active play becomes a constant ballerina act, as players twirl in place to make sure they can see everything around them.
Of course there's some solutions, eventually we'd like to take the "turn" down to 1 second, but it's a bunch of work. And for the other part maybe we could add something where facing only kicks in if there are enemies nearby, else it's assumed you are constantly looking around, or maybe have a movement mode that makes you move slower but makes you constantly be checking the whole area around you. It's basically just a lot of work to do.
Number three is slightly harder, and is representing monster facing data to the player. Since it's ASCII we can't exactly put a dot on the zombie tile or something similar, so we need to come up with a way to easily allow players to see which way any given monster is facing at any given point in time.
i see next to my stamina it says "walk"I believe the default key bind is ".
is there a way i can "run"?
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 17, 2015, 05:31:23 pm
who made skeletons just really skinny zombies
who fucked it up
who ruined cataclysm
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on June 17, 2015, 06:08:24 pm
who did it
who made skeletons just really skinny zombies
who fucked it up
who ruined cataclysm
They've not changed. DDA's skeletons have always been really skinny zombies. We're not so far into fantasy territory that we have 'fleshless bones that have been held together with magic' walking about.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 17, 2015, 06:30:13 pm
who did it
who made skeletons just really skinny zombies
who fucked it up
who ruined cataclysm
They've not changed. DDA's skeletons have always been really skinny zombies. We're not so far into fantasy territory that we have 'fleshless bones that have been held together with magic' walking about.
I'm not so sure about that.
I remember bullets being able to pass through a skeletons ribs.
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on June 17, 2015, 06:39:16 pm
I'm not so sure about that.
I remember bullets being able to pass through a skeletons ribs.
They still can, and that's not changed either. I think the idea is that there's no real hydrostatic shock when you're shooting a piece of walking jerky stretched over bones, so the bullets pretty much just blast through without doing appreciable damage.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 17, 2015, 06:43:35 pm
Post by: n9103 on June 17, 2015, 06:57:39 pm
Number three is slightly harder, and is representing monster facing data to the player. Since it's ASCII we can't exactly put a dot on the zombie tile or something similar, so we need to come up with a way to easily allow players to see which way any given monster is facing at any given point in time.Perhaps putting one of the ASCII arrows/slashes on the tile the enemy is facing?
Also, I'm very glad issues #1 and 2 are still being kept in mind, because those are real gameplay killers for me. (Still haven't picked UrW back up since a couple months after the change. :-\)
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 17, 2015, 10:17:17 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 17, 2015, 10:23:56 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 17, 2015, 10:25:34 pm
hope im not fortifying and fixing this place up for no reason
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 18, 2015, 12:13:31 am
anyone who can develop, do this:
make it to where trails of gasoline will spread along the line, and if you can, add a command to dump 1 unit of liquid from a container
Post by: Baffler on June 18, 2015, 01:18:14 am
OOH!
anyone who can develop, do this:
make it to where trails of gasoline will spread along the line, and if you can, add a command to dump 1 unit of liquid from a container
This would be the best thing.
Also, how much do fires actually warm you up? I'm being woken up constantly by the cold, while I'm in bed under a blanket in my little one-room cabin with a fire going on the other side of the room (6 tiles away.) You'd think that'd count for something, at least.
Post by: Aseaheru on June 18, 2015, 02:23:21 am
Dunno about the fire.
Also, on the subject of pouring single units of whatever, what about making damaged fluid containers that have stuff in them have a chance to leak some of their contents each turn? I think it is already done for tanks on cars.
Post by: Akura on June 18, 2015, 11:32:34 am
I'm more interested in whether we'll ever be able to "sneak".
I'd like sneaking. I still can't figure out how loud sounds are supposed to be. I walk at 6 sound, and nothing notices even a few tiles away in the dark. My motorcycle makes 9-15 sound at lowest speed, and every zombie in America homes in on it.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 18, 2015, 07:23:54 pm
anyone got this problem?
Post by: BigD145 on June 18, 2015, 08:09:07 pm
wish the experimental wouldn't crash so much
anyone got this problem?
Nnnnnnope.
ASCII works beautifully 999 time out of 1000.
Post by: Darkmere on June 18, 2015, 08:17:40 pm
wish the experimental wouldn't crash so much
anyone got this problem?
Wait a day and download again. copy save over, and it's incredibly likely the issue is fixed.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on June 18, 2015, 09:02:13 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 18, 2015, 09:19:28 pm
Post by: Darkmere on June 18, 2015, 09:44:34 pm
Why a day? There's new builds every few hours, usually.
I just tend to assume bugfixes aren't magic or instant.
Post by: Akura on June 19, 2015, 08:24:34 am
Post by: BigD145 on June 19, 2015, 09:03:09 am
The current build I'm playing(about two weeks old) has skeletons and skeledogs dropping fresh meat and stomachs when butchered, and no bones(tainted or otherwise).
Well there's your problem.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on June 19, 2015, 10:21:54 am
Post by: Fniff on June 19, 2015, 11:30:33 am
Happened to robots, plants, and a bunch of other monsters that were clearly not supposed to be made out of flesh as well. It was pretty funny, but sure made a mess.... Where the hell is your avatar from?
Post by: i2amroy on June 19, 2015, 01:41:05 pm
Indeed, when we're averaging around 120 commits a week, a two week old version means that you are missing some 240 code changing chunks that include new stuff, new features, balance changes, and bugfixes.The current build I'm playing(about two weeks old) has skeletons and skeledogs dropping fresh meat and stomachs when butchered, and no bones(tainted or otherwise).Well there's your problem.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 19, 2015, 03:16:27 pm
Post by: Akura on June 19, 2015, 03:33:26 pm
Post by: n9103 on June 19, 2015, 04:31:14 pm
... Where the hell is your avatar from?I would guess an episode of the Rick and Morty puppet/muppet series. Yes, it's a thing, apparently (https://www.google.com/search?q=rick+and+morty+puppet&tbm=vid).
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 19, 2015, 04:43:52 pm
Not the fact that you can accidentally ruin your character or something with them, but actually just afraid of the concept of it?
The mutation dreams don't help, either. I like them, but the Medical-tree dreams especially are unsettling.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: heydude6 on June 20, 2015, 12:23:23 am
Since I'm not going to make an account on the official forum due to reasons, I will ask my question here. I have recently gotten into a small dilemma. It's a long and interesting story about how I got to this point so I'll write it down first before going to the actual problem.
Spoiler: Warning, Trifid spoilers! (click to show/hide)
Also, I would like to give the Devs my sincerest compliments for making such a cool game.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 20, 2015, 12:55:07 am
Spoiler: Shopping list (click to show/hide)
Also note that there's very little reward beyond bragging rights in actually doing it.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 20, 2015, 01:09:21 am
Post by: heydude6 on June 20, 2015, 01:19:58 am
Also note that there's very little reward beyond bragging rights in actually doing it.Does a successful raid not even stop them from spawning in that specific area?
Post by: i2amroy on June 20, 2015, 02:28:00 am
Spoiler: Triffid Protip (click to show/hide)
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 20, 2015, 02:36:03 am
Does a successful raid not even stop them from spawning in that specific area?Yes, it does. Not everyone might want that, though, as triffids...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Forrest on June 20, 2015, 02:39:48 am
Spoiler: Game Stuffz (click to show/hide)
Post by: widrox on June 21, 2015, 01:19:05 pm
Bastard even came up after me, but fortunately he could not open the door when I closed them. But he is now in my spawning point. I had huge problems surviving at the begninning. Now after zombie starting just near you those days might seem pretty easy.
Post by: BigD145 on June 21, 2015, 01:21:23 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on June 21, 2015, 01:22:25 pm
Post by: i2amroy on June 21, 2015, 01:22:39 pm
Post by: widrox on June 21, 2015, 01:25:12 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 21, 2015, 01:38:56 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 21, 2015, 02:13:45 pm
I usually take tailor. Is this a mistake?
Post by: BigD145 on June 21, 2015, 02:17:48 pm
Post by: heydude6 on June 21, 2015, 02:24:15 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 21, 2015, 02:32:53 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on June 21, 2015, 02:37:12 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 21, 2015, 02:39:33 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on June 21, 2015, 02:52:18 pm
Well, don't they usually dispel restless dead with ofuda talismans? Get your throwing to level 20 and kill the zombies with sheets of paper.
I'm sure you can carve your talismans into wood, or even rocks, if you're low on paper :P
Post by: Culise on June 21, 2015, 04:39:21 pm
Its^_^horrifichilarious when you find specials in the shelter basement.
One of my latest characters was a maid. Specifically, a kung fu maid for hilarity. Usually, though, I go with backpacker, punk rock girl, or shower victim, though the last of these tends to result in some minor questions when you also pick the flaws that give free gear, so I avoid it in those circumstances. Alright, I could see grabbing a pair of glasses (I tend to keep mine just outside the shower, in case some spider drops down on top of me again) or an inhaler (medicine in the bathroom; sure), but an umbrella? Who brings an umbrella into a shower?
Post by: Sheb on June 21, 2015, 04:44:45 pm
Post by: Descan on June 21, 2015, 06:44:25 pm
Post by: Baffler on June 21, 2015, 06:54:47 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on June 21, 2015, 06:56:37 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 21, 2015, 07:50:17 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on June 21, 2015, 07:53:00 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 21, 2015, 08:00:45 pm
Attach an alternator, if I recall correctly.vavoom
thanks
Post by: ShinQuickMan on June 21, 2015, 09:27:13 pm
what profession do you guys usually pick?
I usually take tailor. Is this a mistake?
Tailor is pretty good. You should do fine.
As for me, since I usually pick mall cops, or rather, I'm stuck with them since I pick the mall scenario most of the time. When not doing that, I go with failed cyborg. My characters are always super genius' with dragon kung fu, so those annoying bionics won't remain a problem past the first season.
Post by: Mephansteras on June 21, 2015, 10:00:20 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 21, 2015, 10:23:16 pm
Who brings an umbrella into a shower?The albino that needs to keep it nearby in case they need to run into sunlight and not get burnt? The same reason as those other objects, I'd say.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 22, 2015, 12:06:07 am
i like the atmosphere they add, and the survivor outpost is really cool, but 90 percent of my deaths are from npcs that seize goods
Post by: azmodean on June 22, 2015, 12:11:54 am
I always assume that scenario is what happens when a shelter is home to some survivors that end up dying there. Other shelters are just cleaned out because everyone left by the time you start out, but some people died in the basement of this one, and all the items they had, found, or started with in the shelter, remain there with their reanimated bodies.This.
Post by: gimlet on June 22, 2015, 02:51:26 am
Post by: jocan2003 on June 22, 2015, 10:51:41 am
And yes.... i play with NPC both static and randoms....
Post by: TheBronzePickle on June 22, 2015, 11:01:18 am
Post by: Akura on June 22, 2015, 11:02:31 am
Spoiler: That barricaded bit (click to show/hide)
Playing with modding some heavy weapons. So far I've noticed that the ["BOUNCE"] flag on a projectile causes it to massacre just about anything around the impact site, rather than tearing through to targets behind. The first shot almost totally killed a 5x5 block of zombie children(yes, I test weapons on children), while a second shot fired at the adjacent building vaporized most of the corpses while doing no damage to the building. Likewise, and artillery shell with ["EXPLOSIVE_BIG"] and a damage of 4000 barely does damage to me when I shoot myself with it.
Post by: n9103 on June 22, 2015, 11:12:04 am
Too bad it didn't stay hidden long enough for the DoA Volleyball mod to get finished. ;)
Post by: Akura on June 22, 2015, 11:20:47 am
Post by: i2amroy on June 22, 2015, 12:03:14 pm
Post by: ejseto on June 22, 2015, 01:24:43 pm
Likewise, and artillery shell with ["EXPLOSIVE_BIG"] and a damage of 4000 barely does damage to me when I shoot myself with it.
Ammo explosion strength is still hard-coded. That 4000 damage will only affect the target directly hit. The explosion around it is determined solely by the flag EXPLOSIVE_BIG which has a set strength of 40. From what I can tell, that strength is attenuated by 20% per tile and if you're standing in the explosion, you take a random 50% to 100% of this attenuated strength to limbs which ignores 80% of limb armor, and 33% to 100% to head/torso which 70% of head/torso armor.
So if you were 3 tiles away from the center of an EXPLOSIVE_BIG explosion, you'd take ~6-20 damage to your head/torso, slightly mitigated by any armor you might have. Graphically though, this explosion will reach something like 16 tiles away, though it won't be more than a breeze at the outer edges.
It's unfortunate ammo explosions are still hard-coded since hand-grenades and other thrown explosives appear to have variable strength.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 22, 2015, 04:52:04 pm
*download*
have sweatpants been added yet?
no?
maybe next time.
Post by: BigD145 on June 22, 2015, 05:34:18 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 22, 2015, 05:43:42 pm
Do it yourself!
alright, i'll give it a shot, i guess. I don't know much about doing this kinda thing, though.
what program will i need to do this
Post by: BigD145 on June 22, 2015, 06:17:49 pm
Do it yourself!
alright, i'll give it a shot, i guess. I don't know much about doing this kinda thing, though.
what program will i need to do this
Notepad, although Notepad++ is better.
Post by: jocan2003 on June 22, 2015, 06:24:35 pm
Odd. I've had that problem until recently. The last time it occured I saw I had NPCs off, so I started a new world with them on, which worked apparently. Did you use the evac shelter console to find the center?Spoiler: That barricaded bit (click to show/hide)
Did with, without, as fast as fast goes i created new map and used the evac shelter then TPed me straight there, then a new map a few map tile away to let spawn gen kick in, cant be faster than light i dont think so.
Well a mystery. Ill check back in a few day and see again, maybe its m character that i copy over that is bugged somewhere. I just dont want to start over again i got this badass i really want to keep, at worst i think ill make a new character and edit the savefile information such as skill stats and equipement with notepad.
Anyway lets hope it unbug one day because i wanna see what that community farm/outpost has to offer :D.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 22, 2015, 06:30:49 pm
Post by: i2amroy on June 22, 2015, 06:50:12 pm
Alrighty. I've got notepad++ installed. Anyone have experience on this kinda stuff? Mainly how to commit it?Contribution to the actual project is actually a bit complex to get set up, since the world of open source contribution is one of a vast number of competing "clients" and "standards" :P. Here's a "basic" walkthrough (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=10221.msg232460#msg232460) of what you need to do, but honestly my first suggestion would be going to the Cataclysm IRC chat (linked to from the cataclysm website main page, and preferably in the evening when it is most active) and ask if anyone can help you get set stuff set up. It's one of those things that is kinda complex to do, but you only need to do most things once and then they take care of themselves after that.
Worst case scenario I should be able to log on to the chat sometime tomorrow when I get my normal computer back to guide you through the process, if you can't manage it yourself before then or find someone in the IRC channel who can walk you through getting everything set up.
Post by: n9103 on June 22, 2015, 07:51:38 pm
Post by: Dorfs R Fun on June 22, 2015, 11:18:47 pm
Edit: Thank goodness I am better at real life then I am at this game. I am trying to get books off of a bookshelf, I try using G for grab something nearby. *character grabs bookshelf and swears furiously trying to gain delicious knowledge.
Edit II: ok, "e" for examine nearby terrain helped me help myself to adjacent books.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 22, 2015, 11:25:58 pm
Post by: Dorfs R Fun on June 22, 2015, 11:46:18 pm
Post by: n9103 on June 22, 2015, 11:49:28 pm
Post by: Dorfs R Fun on June 23, 2015, 12:08:13 am
Post by: BigD145 on June 23, 2015, 08:07:00 am
Thanks for the help, I think my problem was I was standing on the toilet and not next to it.'g' should still work when standing on a toilet. It sounds like you're not using a number pad on your keyboard to move and interact. 5 will let you 'e'xamine the tile you're on.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 23, 2015, 09:48:34 am
Post by: Micro102 on June 23, 2015, 08:07:01 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 23, 2015, 08:10:19 pm
Post by: Micro102 on June 23, 2015, 08:13:40 pm
console 3339 is fine
Nope it crashes on me. Lots of errors when starting (Ex. "cannot find gunknife"). I have to press space a bunch of times. Then ti crashes, usually when I either die (seems only to zombies) or get near an NPC fighting something (not always).
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 23, 2015, 08:42:29 pm
Post by: i2amroy on June 23, 2015, 09:24:04 pm
Thats generally a sign of a JSON error. Are you running any mods or made any changes yourself?console 3339 is fineNope it crashes on me. Lots of errors when starting (Ex. "cannot find gunknife"). I have to press space a bunch of times. Then ti crashes, usually when I either die (seems only to zombies) or get near an NPC fighting something (not always).
Post by: Graknorke on June 24, 2015, 02:38:07 am
why did the mansion i was reading in spontaneously combustLightning maybe. Or you lit a fire in the building on mistake at some point in the past.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 24, 2015, 02:50:31 am
Post by: Micro102 on June 24, 2015, 05:39:38 am
Thats generally a sign of a JSON error. Are you running any mods or made any changes yourself?console 3339 is fineNope it crashes on me. Lots of errors when starting (Ex. "cannot find gunknife"). I have to press space a bunch of times. Then ti crashes, usually when I either die (seems only to zombies) or get near an NPC fighting something (not always).
If by mods then you mean the in-game add-ons like boats icecoons weapon packs and extra vehicle parts, then yes. If not, then no haven't done anything.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 24, 2015, 06:29:03 am
Post by: BigD145 on June 24, 2015, 08:16:37 am
Thats generally a sign of a JSON error. Are you running any mods or made any changes yourself?console 3339 is fineNope it crashes on me. Lots of errors when starting (Ex. "cannot find gunknife"). I have to press space a bunch of times. Then ti crashes, usually when I either die (seems only to zombies) or get near an NPC fighting something (not always).
If by mods then you mean the in-game add-ons like boats icecoons weapon packs and extra vehicle parts, then yes. If not, then no haven't done anything.
Boats, weapon pack, etc are mods. They are probably calling for something that recently got json'd. So you need to wait for those authors to update or disable those mods or migrate your person to a new world without those or just start over. Just like any other game you're kinda sorta version locked with any mods.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 24, 2015, 08:59:47 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 24, 2015, 09:51:15 am
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 24, 2015, 10:22:40 am
all they really do is beat up on each other for all eternity
Post by: n9103 on June 24, 2015, 10:46:54 am
Post by: BigD145 on June 24, 2015, 10:56:07 am
Someonewantedcoded FFaF in their Cataclysm. *shrug*
Post by: n9103 on June 24, 2015, 11:03:31 am
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 24, 2015, 05:17:42 pm
Post by: ShinQuickMan on June 24, 2015, 06:04:18 pm
has anyone ever gotten good use out of setting traps and stuff, other than setting a landmine right in front of something thats chasing you? it seems cool and all but unless you're playing dynamic/with hordes not all that useful
Setting up a line of caltrops at good chokepoints could save you from having to kill some of the weaker zombies, especially kids. Place some in or near schools to put down those little bastards guilt free.
Post by: Aseaheru on June 24, 2015, 06:38:36 pm
Post by: Silicoid on June 24, 2015, 06:41:06 pm
console 3339 is fine
Nope it crashes on me. Lots of errors when starting (Ex. "cannot find gunknife"). I have to press space a bunch of times. Then ti crashes, usually when I either die (seems only to zombies) or get near an NPC fighting something (not always).
There is a json error with the Fictional Weapons mod-
{
"type" : "item_group",
"id" : "pistols",
"items":[
["ficrico", 2],
["gunsword", 2],
["gunknife", 2],
["50pistol", 2],--> crashing problem
]
}
You need to delete the last comma. and the game will magically work.
Post by: Micro102 on June 24, 2015, 11:27:31 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 25, 2015, 12:07:30 am
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on June 25, 2015, 12:16:24 am
Smokers aren't really that tough - they've got lowish health and no real armor; they're just hard to hit because ranged attacks can 'pass through' them the same way that they do to skeletons.
Any weapon that's firing 'shot' type shells ignores the 'pass through' effect, so buckshot and flechette shells are great against them.
Post by: Micro102 on June 25, 2015, 01:05:44 am
Post by: Aseaheru on June 25, 2015, 01:07:11 am
Post by: NullForceOmega on June 25, 2015, 01:08:18 am
Post by: azmodean on June 25, 2015, 01:50:51 am
So..... who decided it was a good idea to make smoker zombies as fast/faster than 115 speed, able to see through their own smoke, and unnaturally tough?They cannot see through their own smoke, and they can't smell either (smoke obliterates scent), but they can hear, and if the smoke parts momentarily they can spot you.
Also, all zombies are unnaturally tough, it's in the definition :P
Post by: Micro102 on June 25, 2015, 07:22:43 am
I wish they were easy to melee, even with a baseball bat, minor encumbrance, and some decent armor I could not solo one. Yes my character was not experienced but I put starting points into melee and dodge and it's silly if you die to one just because it's early in the game.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 25, 2015, 07:35:34 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 25, 2015, 07:58:33 am
If it cannot see through it's own smoke, how are they capable of following me when I change direction? I know it's not due to breaks in the smoke, as I would in turn be able to see them, and I look for that to know if they get another peek at me. Unless perhaps running causes sound?You can encounter Shocker Brutes early in the game. Just because you can encounter them early, doesn't mean they should be easy to kill, either. :)
I wish they were easy to melee, even with a baseball bat, minor encumbrance, and some decent armor I could not solo one. Yes my character was not experienced but I put starting points into melee and dodge and it's silly if you die to one just because it's early in the game.
Also yes, like all zombies are normally at night, the smokers are attracted to sound.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 25, 2015, 08:26:21 am
Post by: heydude6 on June 25, 2015, 08:44:48 am
Here's my tip that will universally kill ANY* zombie that you encounterIf it cannot see through it's own smoke, how are they capable of following me when I change direction? I know it's not due to breaks in the smoke, as I would in turn be able to see them, and I look for that to know if they get another peek at me. Unless perhaps running causes sound?You can encounter Shocker Brutes early in the game. Just because you can encounter them early, doesn't mean they should be easy to kill, either. :)
I wish they were easy to melee, even with a baseball bat, minor encumbrance, and some decent armor I could not solo one. Yes my character was not experienced but I put starting points into melee and dodge and it's silly if you die to one just because it's early in the game.
STEP 1: Find a lighter
STEP 2: Find some form of flammable material (shrubs for example, straw also works)
STEP 3: Light it on fire
STEP 4: Lure the zombie into the fire
STEP 5: If it doesn't oneshot you, melee it so it stays in the fire
STEP 6: Profit
The loot will stay intact for a few turns allowing you to pick it up. One warning though, despite what happens in reality the corpse will not be destroyed by the fire (it will get burned though) and my method also prevents you from butchering it so I would recommend you to take the necessary precautions to prevent a forest fire and then RUN!!
*Please note, so far this method has not been tested with shocker brutes, hulks, smokers, fireman zombies, and Hazmat zombies
Post by: BigD145 on June 25, 2015, 08:49:03 am
I don't think you're meant to directly fight smoker zombies. They're fast, hard to hit, and half-incorporeal. I've never killed one in melee, all my smoker kills are via vehicular battering or AOE attacks. Pipebombs, Molotovs, and spraycan flamethrowers are all good early weapons against them.
I've pretty much always killed them in melee.
Post by: Micro102 on June 25, 2015, 08:49:24 am
If it cannot see through it's own smoke, how are they capable of following me when I change direction? I know it's not due to breaks in the smoke, as I would in turn be able to see them, and I look for that to know if they get another peek at me. Unless perhaps running causes sound?You can encounter Shocker Brutes early in the game. Just because you can encounter them early, doesn't mean they should be easy to kill, either. :)
I wish they were easy to melee, even with a baseball bat, minor encumbrance, and some decent armor I could not solo one. Yes my character was not experienced but I put starting points into melee and dodge and it's silly if you die to one just because it's early in the game.
Also yes, like all zombies are normally at night, the smokers are attracted to sound.
Well the reason I don't complain about brutes is that 1) I can outrun them. For some reason the smoker zombie can keep up with me at 115 speed until I run out of stamina, then I'm screwed. 2) Brutes don't have smoke covering them. I can see them from a distance and thus avoid them. Smokers can be in an open field and I wouldn't notice until It's too late.
I forgot about the fire trick, I shall begin the abuse once again :)
Post by: Culise on June 25, 2015, 09:59:01 am
One warning though, despite what happens in reality the corpse will not be destroyed by the fire (it will get burned though) and my method also prevents you from butchering it so I would recommend you to take the necessary precautions to prevent a forest fire and then RUN!!You can still pulp it, however, which will do just as well at preventing resurrection. Simply smash it and you'll be fine.
Post by: Teneb on June 25, 2015, 10:14:42 am
Post by: ShinQuickMan on June 25, 2015, 01:32:13 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 25, 2015, 01:44:50 pm
Post by: Aqizzar on June 25, 2015, 01:56:30 pm
That does beg the question - why are there no fireimmune fire zombies, the same way there are electric shocker zombies? Is it just because they'd burn down all the houses in their path?
Don't give them any ideas, the game has enough area-denial enemies as is. I already have to watch for Bio-Agents hanging around the wilderness to one-shot me, I don't want my safehouse going down in an instant blaze because of horde wanders.
Post by: Teneb on June 25, 2015, 02:36:40 pm
That does beg the question - why are there no fireimmune fire zombies, the same way there are electric shocker zombies? Is it just because they'd burn down all the houses in their path?Fire immune or fire-spreading? Zombies that cause fires would probably cause huge problems with lag after enough time in the reality bubble. Fire-immune... I thought there were, but I actually didn't look into the code to see if zombie firemen are actually immune to fire.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 25, 2015, 02:40:11 pm
Post by: Tawa on June 25, 2015, 02:46:26 pm
so tempted to make a 'hell on earth' mod now which replaces zombies and such with demons of various typesRip and tear!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 25, 2015, 02:48:50 pm
They'd have to be fire-immune in order to be fire-spreading, so... :PThat does beg the question - why are there no fireimmune fire zombies, the same way there are electric shocker zombies? Is it just because they'd burn down all the houses in their path?Fire immune or fire-spreading? Zombies that cause fires would probably cause huge problems with lag after enough time in the reality bubble. Fire-immune... I thought there were, but I actually didn't look into the code to see if zombie firemen are actually immune to fire.
Could they be firey without being fire-spreading? I.e. they'd act on the tile they're in as if they were a fire, causing items to burn, ashing the ground, collapsing constructions, spreading heat around them, lighting everything up at night, but not producing actual fire fields unless it's a special attack like the spitter zombie's spit or the shocker's discharge.
Post by: heydude6 on June 25, 2015, 05:30:31 pm
Anyway, my idea of fixing the fire exploit would be to make it so that there are no naturally occurring fire zombies. Instead, I suggest that if an entity is exposed to flame, then there is a chance (unless they are fire-proof) that they will catch on fire. When that happens, they will continuously take burning damage and their attacks will burn anything they hit and they will also have a chance to ignite the target.
Now as for the player, the status effect will be applied to their clothing and the player has 3 options to deal with it.
Option 1: Dousing it in water (by jumping into a river or by applying something like a water bottle, or gasoline)
Option 2: remove the offending clothing and throw it away before the rest of you catches fire
Option 3: Stop-drop-and-roll and maybe you'll be lucky
So what do you guys think of this idea? I think it's a good idea since it prevents you from meleeing a zombie to make it stay in the fire (if you try that you'll get burned), and it also makes it so that it's only a chance that the zombie will be ignited meaning that you can't just spam your lighter willy nilly. Another thing I should mention is that in its current state you don't have to worry about fire spreading and causing lag.
I myself won't be able to code it since I don't know anything about C++ (besides how complex it is).
Post by: Dorfs R Fun on June 25, 2015, 07:54:08 pm
10/10 will play again.
Post by: azmodean on June 25, 2015, 10:30:39 pm
I tried doing the thing where setting zombies on fire caused them to spread it, in practice the fire itself spread much faster than the zombies.
However, attacking a zombie that is on fire should at least burn you a bit, and possibly vice versa.
My plan for the fire exploit is to make fires take longer to set so you can't do it in combat, at least not trivially.
Post by: BigD145 on June 25, 2015, 10:40:28 pm
Post by: dwarf_reform on June 25, 2015, 11:05:56 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But yeah, I love me some CataDDA :| I'm thinking, as the game progresses, we'll be able to totally remove zombies and insert any enemies we want.. In the end it'll be a World Simulator, and modders will be able to make it into vastly different things..
Strip out all the buildings and start on a Caveman mod..
Strip out all the supernatural stuff and add in a realistic police system and create that "controversial" serial killer rogue (or flip it around and play as the cop/detective)
With enhanced illness transmission it could be a viral outbreak sim, modern-day vampire sim
Dino mod is already there for fun
Strip out all NPCs and zombies and just have fun in an empty Langoliers-style world (you can already do this)
With the current in-game digging mechanics it might end up possible to recreate SimAnt :O
You can already rid the world of living humans and zombies, and lower the city size down so that "civilization" is barely represented.. Add in the ability to play as non-human characters and the potential goes up by magnitudes.. Just surviving the cataclysm as a dog would be an amazing ride all by itself!
The possibilities are too much!! :| My favorite playthroughs so far have been when I (cheat)spawn myself a folding bicycle and a military rucksack and just bike :> Never settle down or set up a base, only stop for sleep or gathering, and just cover ground on the ol' bicycle :)
Post by: BigD145 on June 25, 2015, 11:56:20 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on June 26, 2015, 12:08:38 am
And if not, would the new times affect lighting fuses? Because otherwise, I can see Molotovs being next to useless.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 26, 2015, 08:35:47 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on June 26, 2015, 10:22:50 am
where a burning bullet harmlessly fires its casing in a random direction, while the heavier shot stays harmlessly in the fire
I would hardly call that harmless. Bullets detonating out of their gun is still a pretty significant threat to everyone around the fire, because high-speed projectiles are still high-speed projectiles whether they're made of brass or copper-coated lead. Plus, I'd bet that most casings still weigh enough that the 'recoil' on the bullet would send it along at a decent pace, too.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 26, 2015, 10:33:31 am
Between the explosion not being constrained by the gun barrel, and the lesser mass/worse aerodynamics of the casing causing it to slow down much quicker, I'd say it's not going to be lethal anyway. Not harmless - rather painful, perhaps. But not lethal.where a burning bullet harmlessly fires its casing in a random direction, while the heavier shot stays harmlessly in the fire
I would hardly call that harmless. Bullets detonating out of their gun is still a pretty significant threat to everyone around the fire, because high-speed projectiles are still high-speed projectiles whether they're made of brass or copper-coated lead. Plus, I'd bet that most casings still weigh enough that the 'recoil' on the bullet would send it along at a decent pace, too.
Post by: n9103 on June 26, 2015, 11:06:53 am
- Things that go up in a flash (less than 6 seconds for our purposes):
- dry tinder (be it pine needles, bark shavings, palm fronds, etc)
- volatile flammables or flammable gasses
- fuses, gunpowder, other non-inert explosives
And that's only if you're within a foot or two of it, *and* it just happens to be pointing directly at you. I suppose it could have 2 chances to hit, since the casing could also be pointing at the character (between legs).
Considering the mechanics at play here to make a hit come from a cooked-off round (which should take more than 6 seconds, btw, unless it's basically a furnace) the to-hit of the round should be pretty damn remote.
Also, there should be 0 to-hit for shotgun shells because the casings are made of plastic and will lose all strength before the powder detonates.
Basically, unless it's essentially a grenade, or (on scale with ammunition) a very large amount of heat-sensitive explosives, the results should be underwhelming.
Heat-sensitive explosives, for these purposes, will have a reaction at temperatures no more than 1800deg F.
E:Terms
Post by: Greiger on June 26, 2015, 11:23:45 am
Another exploit is.. (don't look! Once you know you can't un-know!) ;)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Re: Fireman zombies and fire. Actually this may be a fluke but I threw a Molotov at a bunch of zombies bunched up on a noisy car just yesterday. It included a fireman zombie and the fireman zombie died in the small fire just like everything else did. If they are supposed to be immune to fire, it's not working as of 3333
Post by: philae on June 26, 2015, 12:52:40 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 26, 2015, 01:38:09 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 26, 2015, 01:48:45 pm
Post by: philae on June 26, 2015, 04:08:31 pm
I fired at a turret from, I don't know, 8-12 tiles away (typical small lab room with turret) and the shockwave damaged me for 1/10 of my health through light power armor.
Post by: BigD145 on June 26, 2015, 05:23:09 pm
I mean in the dev versions.
I'm playing the dev version. I guess it's just been a few weeks since I went lab diving.
Post by: n9103 on June 26, 2015, 06:25:19 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 26, 2015, 06:41:29 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 26, 2015, 06:41:39 pm
I mean in the dev versions. Maybe it's just the ammo exploding and it'll be changed.Explosions have been refactored. You probably were in a small enclosed space, so were hit harder.
I fired at a turret from, I don't know, 8-12 tiles away (typical small lab room with turret) and the shockwave damaged me for 1/10 of my health through light power armor.
Post by: Dorfs R Fun on June 26, 2015, 10:01:42 pm
Post by: Darkmere on June 26, 2015, 10:08:59 pm
question: I like to sort my loot and I've noticed that while crafting you get to use objects a certain number of tiles away. what are the dimensions of usefulness? I know 3x3 tiles works but how big can my stockpile be?
Drop something on the ground and walk away from it until you can't craft anything with it anymore. That's your range.
Post by: Dorfs R Fun on June 26, 2015, 10:26:16 pm
question: I like to sort my loot and I've noticed that while crafting you get to use objects a certain number of tiles away. what are the dimensions of usefulness? I know 3x3 tiles works but how big can my stockpile be?
Drop something on the ground and walk away from it until you can't craft anything with it anymore. That's your range.
The amount of time you spent not answering my question you could of used to answer it if you knew. Thank you.
edit: I'm thinking 7x7 if your in the middle but right now I don't have the light source to confirm.
Post by: Tnx on June 27, 2015, 12:38:32 am
Post by: Darkmere on June 27, 2015, 02:16:00 am
question: I like to sort my loot and I've noticed that while crafting you get to use objects a certain number of tiles away. what are the dimensions of usefulness? I know 3x3 tiles works but how big can my stockpile be?
Drop something on the ground and walk away from it until you can't craft anything with it anymore. That's your range.
The amount of time you spent not answering my question you could of used to answer it if you knew. Thank you.
edit: I'm thinking 7x7 if your in the middle but right now I don't have the light source to confirm.
I don't have the game installed, don't know it offhand, and thought it might be handier if you knew how to fish.
Post by: Micro102 on June 27, 2015, 04:30:39 am
Post by: blazing glory on June 27, 2015, 04:46:58 am
Does Military ID fend off outpost turrets, chicken walkers, and tank drones?
Post by: syyrah on June 27, 2015, 05:17:21 am
Post by: blazing glory on June 27, 2015, 05:30:12 am
No. It used to open doors to stashes in military bases.I knew that, I was talking about them having a separate use.
Anyway, stopped being lazy and just debugged the stuff, apparently it most definitely doesn't fend them off, oh well.
Post by: Aseaheru on June 27, 2015, 08:46:31 am
Also, it would be cool if the turrets in those places where friendly to the zombies there. Afterall, most, if not all, of them have access rights to be there. Perhaps give them a chance to go hostile to them, since they are kinda deformed.
Post by: i2amroy on June 27, 2015, 11:41:05 am
Also, it would be cool if the turrets in those places where friendly to the zombies there. Afterall, most, if not all, of them have access rights to be there. Perhaps give them a chance to go hostile to them, since they are kinda deformed.Definitely planned, just waiting on a slightly more complex system for inter-monster relations to be finished.
Post by: etgfrog on June 27, 2015, 05:27:37 pm
Post by: Darkmere on June 27, 2015, 05:54:25 pm
hm...zombie technicians can now pull metal weapons from your hands? :o
I think they're using the electromagnet CBM.
Post by: azmodean on June 27, 2015, 09:04:24 pm
hm...zombie technicians can now pull metal weapons from your hands? :oThat's been their primary characteristic since they were added. Guess you just got lucky before :)
Post by: Greiger on June 27, 2015, 09:31:12 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 28, 2015, 01:17:19 am
Post by: azmodean on June 28, 2015, 04:39:34 am
Post by: scrdest on June 28, 2015, 06:11:10 am
You might run into the issue of pulling the gun off of a tank drone...which both would be awesome and horrible at the same time. But I could see the player being able to pull guns away from pesky npcs trying to rob you.That would be hilarious.
'AHA, TANK DRONE, YOU DIDN'T EXPECT I HAD AN ELECTROM- OOOOH FUCK!'
*is knocked out by a massive gun flying at high velocity*
Post by: etgfrog on June 28, 2015, 10:44:25 am
Post by: jocan2003 on June 28, 2015, 11:19:04 am
Since you are the magnetic source and are much lighter than the tank, wouldnt YOU be moving toward the tank if we follow the laws of physics? I mean the kinetic energy is the same and the smaller mass always move toward the large one when there is a force attracting both of them since the energy required to move you is much lower than the energy required to move the tank, and we all know the universe is lazy or always prefer the fastest route.You might run into the issue of pulling the gun off of a tank drone...which both would be awesome and horrible at the same time. But I could see the player being able to pull guns away from pesky npcs trying to rob you.That would be hilarious.
'AHA, TANK DRONE, YOU DIDN'T EXPECT I HAD AN ELECTROM- OOOOH FUCK!'
*is knocked out by a massive gun flying at high velocity*
Post by: Akura on June 28, 2015, 11:43:29 am
Your head is stuck in the Tank Drone's cannon!
From the east you hear a 'KA-BOOM!'
Your ears ring!
Do you want to see the last moments of your life?"
Post by: BigD145 on June 28, 2015, 11:50:30 am
"Instead of pulling the Tank Drone's cannon away, you fly towards it!
Your head is stuck in the Tank Drone's cannon!
From the east you hear a 'KA-BOOM!'
Yourears ring!neck stump hurts.
Do you want to see the last moments of your life?"
Post by: TheBronzePickle on June 28, 2015, 12:38:47 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 28, 2015, 12:47:54 pm
Post by: beorn080 on June 28, 2015, 01:26:39 pm
Post by: x2yzh9 on June 28, 2015, 01:31:05 pm
Post by: ShinQuickMan on June 28, 2015, 01:44:14 pm
It woudl be really cool if NPCs could establish visitable bases with functions, and possibly drive vehicles. more dialogue as well would imo make the game more organic and replayable.
Considering their insane reactions to... everything at the moment, I'd prefer that NPCs don't drive cars until they prioritize self-preservation above all.
Post by: Greiger on June 28, 2015, 02:09:10 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 28, 2015, 03:22:41 pm
Post by: Darkmere on June 28, 2015, 03:41:27 pm
If moments like this are wrong, I won't want to be right.
Post by: heydude6 on June 28, 2015, 03:46:37 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 28, 2015, 04:12:48 pm
Post by: heydude6 on June 28, 2015, 04:44:02 pm
As an answer to your question, all NPC's have to serve a purpose. An NPC just bothering a player and just asking for map directions is a bit pointless.
Post by: NullForceOmega on June 28, 2015, 04:46:57 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 28, 2015, 06:20:07 pm
Post by: Nuttycompa on June 28, 2015, 08:15:14 pm
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=10417.0 (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=10417.0)
Get hype!
Post by: UristMcDwarf on June 28, 2015, 08:27:38 pm
For those who want NPC progress
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=10417.0 (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=10417.0)
Get hype!
july 3rd? do you think that's gonna be the date of the next stable as well? this seems like a big enough feature to mandate it
Post by: azmodean on June 28, 2015, 08:51:00 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 29, 2015, 12:03:48 am
Post by: etgfrog on June 29, 2015, 12:25:10 am
???
I didn't even hack anything, there was a military outpost in someone's backyard.
Post by: scrdest on June 29, 2015, 04:26:37 am
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47234794/Screenshot%202015-06-28%2022.23.25.png)Some officer got really pissed at DURN KIDS.
???
I didn't even hack anything, there was a military outpost in someone's backyard.
Post by: Micro102 on June 30, 2015, 01:46:23 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 30, 2015, 03:32:40 pm
Post by: Darkmere on June 30, 2015, 06:37:47 pm
Post by: Micro102 on July 02, 2015, 08:33:56 am
Post by: Aseaheru on July 02, 2015, 09:00:24 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 02, 2015, 09:14:35 am
This was back in 0.C stable, so it might have changed, but I don't remember any changes to that effect since then.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 02, 2015, 09:51:02 am
Also, the homemade 50cal rifle has a range of 135... Atleast it does when adding ammo range to the total.
Post by: Blaze on July 02, 2015, 10:01:36 am
Post by: n9103 on July 02, 2015, 11:02:11 am
Under options-> Interface. There should be a "Snap to Target" option.This was actually the default setting at one point.
It was there at least as early as .9, if not .6
Post by: Aseaheru on July 02, 2015, 11:08:42 am
Post by: Mini on July 02, 2015, 11:19:16 am
Post by: Greiger on July 02, 2015, 12:43:57 pm
Remember Bob's discount landmine u-pull it. Bringing the scrapyard u-pull business model to the concealed high explosives market.
Post by: Micro102 on July 02, 2015, 01:23:54 pm
Are you in range?
Under options-> Interface. There should be a "Snap to Target" option.This was actually the default setting at one point.
It was there at least as early as .9, if not .6
I am in range and the snap to option doesn't change the camera.
Also, I have another problem. I made my base at a ranch, have all my stuff there, and the Old Guard decided to make it their base as well. I haven't claimed it or anything (if you can even do that, I don't know). What do I do? Keep all my stuff there? Load a save? Other options?
Post by: Aseaheru on July 02, 2015, 01:31:21 pm
Post by: n9103 on July 02, 2015, 03:02:36 pm
I am in range and the snap to option doesn't change the camera.Experimental build by chance?
Post by: jocan2003 on July 02, 2015, 03:23:27 pm
You make a base by building a billboard.So the player faction thingy is online? If so why cant i see the commit for it o.O?
Post by: Aseaheru on July 02, 2015, 03:44:34 pm
Post by: Micro102 on July 02, 2015, 05:23:20 pm
You make a base by building a billboard.
Glad to see billboard finally working. Still have no idea what to do. I'm worried that it will break the game if I take their base and then they try to claim it, I also want to see them grow. But.....all my stuff is there 0_0
It will take forever to move and I don't know if I can find a better spot.
Decisions decisions. Need suggestions.
I am in range and the snap to option doesn't change the camera.Experimental build by chance?
Yes, forgot which
Post by: jocan2003 on July 02, 2015, 05:30:17 pm
Billboards have been arround for, what, six months or so?What i meant is can we finaly have NPC living in your base and given jobs. i know the item billboards has been in for a while, but i didnt knwo they had a specific purpose. Now ill have to try that.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 02, 2015, 07:03:00 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on July 02, 2015, 11:20:24 pm
Post by: Micro102 on July 03, 2015, 12:22:49 am
The ranch is actually a special building too. The refugee camp moves in and you can upgrade it and live in the main house while all the other NPC's live outside in the giant sectioned-off field.
Do you know if all my items in the various buildings will be safe? Should I move them out? I want them to have the ranch.
Question is, where do I move to? The pond ont he farm is the only convenient source of water.
Post by: Gentlefish on July 03, 2015, 12:27:33 am
Post by: Micro102 on July 03, 2015, 03:34:18 am
Post by: Gentlefish on July 03, 2015, 03:41:58 am
Post by: Micro102 on July 03, 2015, 03:15:45 pm
That's always been the case bro. Gotta process the trunks into logs.
Hmmmm, maybe it's the tileset.
Another problem I've had is not finding chitin. I found some from a centipede in a swamp and after burning/shooting down a fungal spire (I guess there was a bug in the fire). But after I actually needed some I went back for it and it's gone. I've butchered dozens of large flies and giant ants but no luck. I have a survival level of 3 but it feels like that is more than enough for butchering.
Perhaps I need a better butchery tool? Less damaged corpses?
Post by: Sindain on July 03, 2015, 04:28:43 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 03, 2015, 06:11:13 pm
Post by: Greiger on July 03, 2015, 08:50:56 pm
Another thing to try may be swamp bugs. But the downside of that is that you need to be able to kill....swamp bugs...
Post by: Arcvasti on July 03, 2015, 10:01:07 pm
Iirc chitin mainly drops from spiders. Try clearing out a spider nest in a basement somewhere.
^This. Plus, for some reason, they have absurdly good drops. I've gotten not one, but TWO power armour helmets from one spider nest.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 03, 2015, 10:27:16 pm
Post by: ejseto on July 04, 2015, 11:13:05 am
Can anyone tell me why "snap to target" in the options menu isn't working when it's set to true?
Probably because it doesn't work in tiles mode.
Post by: Micro102 on July 04, 2015, 03:10:26 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 04, 2015, 03:18:48 pm
Post by: Micro102 on July 04, 2015, 08:13:14 pm
It's less "extract" and more "keep intact in usable form", so yes? It might be too high a requirement, but I'm not in a position to say either way.
Apparently not. I just got 6 survival and butchered yet another entire basement of spiders and got zero chitin. So far I've gotten one chitin from a spider in a forest, but that's it. I think it's safe to say that the drop rate needs to be higher, especially since you need chitin for a refugee center quest.
Post by: Bob_Namg on July 04, 2015, 08:21:47 pm
Goodness
Apparently not. I just got 6 survival and butchered yet another entire basement of spiders and got zero chitin. So far I've gotten one chitin from a spider in a forest, but that's it. I think it's safe to say that the drop rate needs to be higher, especially since you need chitin for a refugee center quest.I've been setting spider basements on fire ever since the first time I tried actually hunting the widows, which ended in complete fucking catastrophe. What loadout/tactics do you use to extinguish the subterranean arachnid menace?
Post by: azmodean on July 04, 2015, 09:04:33 pm
Apparently not. I just got 6 survival and butchered yet another entire basement of spiders and got zero chitin. So far I've gotten one chitin from a spider in a forest, but that's it. I think it's safe to say that the drop rate needs to be higher, especially since you need chitin for a refugee center quest.What kind of knife are you using? That also has a large impact on your ability to extract items via butchering.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 04, 2015, 09:46:59 pm
It's less "extract" and more "keep intact in usable form", so yes? It might be too high a requirement, but I'm not in a position to say either way.
Apparently not. I just got 6 survival and butchered yet another entire basement of spiders and got zero chitin. So far I've gotten one chitin from a spider in a forest, but that's it. I think it's safe to say that the drop rate needs to be higher, especially since you need chitin for a refugee center quest.
What's your dex, BTW? Some testing on my part had ants sometimes dropping chitin when butchering them with survival 4 and 12 Dex, while survival higher than that with the same dex yielded chitin nearly all of the time. Dropped down to 6 dex, I needed butchering of 6 to even get a chance at getting chitin, while 8 was the starting point when chitin yields were near guaranteed. All of this was done with a butchering knife (same item you're using to butcher).
And how about clothing? Wearing anything encumbering? I can't say if that would have any affect on this, but you never know.
Post by: Akura on July 05, 2015, 10:57:11 am
Iirc chitin mainly drops from spiders. Try clearing out a spider nest in a basement somewhere.
^This. Plus, for some reason, they have absurdly good drops. I've gotten not one, but TWO power armour helmets from one spider nest.
Fridge horror: What happened to the rest of the armor? Or the guys wearing them?
Post by: Micro102 on July 05, 2015, 11:10:24 am
I've been setting spider basements on fire ever since the first time I tried actually hunting the widows, which ended in complete fucking catastrophe. What loadout/tactics do you use to extinguish the subterranean arachnid menace?
Setting the basement on fire.... I literally just light some web on fire and everything dies. But if you are really have trouble with it, lighting web on fire (I think lighting web on the walls can spread to the other side) and then using a fire extinguisher to keep the doors fire-free might help.
What's your dex, BTW? Some testing on my part had ants sometimes dropping chitin when butchering them with survival 4 and 12 Dex, while survival higher than that with the same dex yielded chitin nearly all of the time. Dropped down to 6 dex, I needed butchering of 6 to even get a chance at getting chitin, while 8 was the starting point when chitin yields were near guaranteed. All of this was done with a butchering knife (same item you're using to butcher).It's less "extract" and more "keep intact in usable form", so yes? It might be too high a requirement, but I'm not in a position to say either way.
Apparently not. I just got 6 survival and butchered yet another entire basement of spiders and got zero chitin. So far I've gotten one chitin from a spider in a forest, but that's it. I think it's safe to say that the drop rate needs to be higher, especially since you need chitin for a refugee center quest.
And how about clothing? Wearing anything encumbering? I can't say if that would have any affect on this, but you never know.
I have at least 10 dexterity, am using a variety of knives all with 19 butchering, and am generally not encumbered. Even if I was, it's not reasonable to think that that would have such a huge impact, unless I had like, 5 pairs of gloves on.
I'm prepared to call this a bug.
Post by: BigD145 on July 05, 2015, 12:53:39 pm
I've been setting spider basements on fire ever since the first time I tried actually hunting the widows, which ended in complete fucking catastrophe. What loadout/tactics do you use to extinguish the subterranean arachnid menace?
Setting the basement on fire.... I literally just light some web on fire and everything dies. But if you are really have trouble with it, lighting web on fire (I think lighting web on the walls can spread to the other side) and then using a fire extinguisher to keep the doors fire-free might help.
You can clear webbing off the walls and doors. Just stick your head inside and clear webs out from around the door.
Post by: Micro102 on July 05, 2015, 12:58:38 pm
I've been setting spider basements on fire ever since the first time I tried actually hunting the widows, which ended in complete fucking catastrophe. What loadout/tactics do you use to extinguish the subterranean arachnid menace?
Setting the basement on fire.... I literally just light some web on fire and everything dies. But if you are really have trouble with it, lighting web on fire (I think lighting web on the walls can spread to the other side) and then using a fire extinguisher to keep the doors fire-free might help.
You can clear webbing off the walls and doors. Just stick your head inside and clear webs out from around the door.
Yeah but you risk getting poisoned and injured.
Post by: BigD145 on July 05, 2015, 01:05:14 pm
I've been setting spider basements on fire ever since the first time I tried actually hunting the widows, which ended in complete fucking catastrophe. What loadout/tactics do you use to extinguish the subterranean arachnid menace?
Setting the basement on fire.... I literally just light some web on fire and everything dies. But if you are really have trouble with it, lighting web on fire (I think lighting web on the walls can spread to the other side) and then using a fire extinguisher to keep the doors fire-free might help.
You can clear webbing off the walls and doors. Just stick your head inside and clear webs out from around the door.
Yeah but you risk getting poisoned and injured.
Open door,
Post by: Micro102 on July 05, 2015, 01:09:19 pm
I've been setting spider basements on fire ever since the first time I tried actually hunting the widows, which ended in complete fucking catastrophe. What loadout/tactics do you use to extinguish the subterranean arachnid menace?
Setting the basement on fire.... I literally just light some web on fire and everything dies. But if you are really have trouble with it, lighting web on fire (I think lighting web on the walls can spread to the other side) and then using a fire extinguisher to keep the doors fire-free might help.
You can clear webbing off the walls and doors. Just stick your head inside and clear webs out from around the door.
Yeah but you risk getting poisoned and injured.
Open door,cast magic missilethrow rock into the darkness, clear webs,cast magic missileset fire, close door and back out.
I always have a spider right outside waiting behind the door. As soon as you open it, it knows you're there.... Unless they end up forgetting and decide to then follow the sound after the door closes?
Post by: BigD145 on July 05, 2015, 01:19:17 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 05, 2015, 03:06:49 pm
Post by: Greiger on July 05, 2015, 03:49:04 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 05, 2015, 06:06:25 pm
Post by: Steelmagic on July 05, 2015, 07:08:45 pm
Post by: Darkmere on July 05, 2015, 07:23:21 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on July 05, 2015, 11:44:11 pm
Man, basement spiders scare the hell out of me, as someone with arachnophobia. Even though they're just these little "S" symbols on the screen, something about it, man. Which is probably a good sign about the game, really.
I was hella scared of them at first. And then I realized my kawaii dapper catboy could just stab them all to death with no injury. I did so. Whilst cackling.
The first character I played that made it into a lab freaked me the hell out when I heard people yelling in the other rooms. I kinda nope'd out of there for a while. The truth turned out to be much worse.
Yeah, labs have a hella creepy atmosphere. Everything is dark and sometimes cold, there are enemies with guns that can kill you dead and there's something yelling "Te-ke-li-li" in the distance.
Post by: Majestic7 on July 06, 2015, 01:15:51 am
Post by: Descan on July 06, 2015, 08:16:19 am
Post by: Akura on July 06, 2015, 10:17:41 am
Modding question: how do I add modded-in buildings to the map generation? It's not automatic, is it?
Post by: Micro102 on July 06, 2015, 09:25:47 pm
And the chance of a random cowering scientist in a sealed panic-room.
That would be awesome if you could get special rare NPCs for your group. They could do things that you never could due to life-long experience in a skill.
EDIT: Anyone know what the ranch quests mean by "motor"? I brought them engines and electrical motors, but on of the electrical motors are large. Do they want just small or just large motors?
Post by: Egan_BW on July 06, 2015, 10:41:46 pm
And the chance of a random cowering scientist in a sealed panic-room.Ah, makes me think of Half Life 1.
Post by: Arcvasti on July 06, 2015, 10:46:58 pm
And the chance of a random cowering scientist in a sealed panic-room.
Or their skeleton/zombie.
On a completely unrelated note:
Apparently, if you have good[1-100] morale and have crossed the Feline mutation threshold, your emote is :3 instead of : ) . This made my day
Post by: Aseaheru on July 06, 2015, 11:28:41 pm
Post by: i2amroy on July 07, 2015, 01:59:00 am
Modding question: how do I add modded-in buildings to the map generation? It's not automatic, is it?IIRC once you've made the building itself you need to give it a matching overmap tile defintion in data/json/overmap_terrain.json, and then add it to either data/json/regional_map_settings.json or data/json/overmap_specials.json, depending on what exact type of building it is and how you want it to spawn.
Post by: ejseto on July 07, 2015, 05:29:51 am
Anyone know what the ranch quests mean by "motor"? I brought them engines and electrical motors, but on of the electrical motors are large. Do they want just small or just large motors?
They want the normal sized ones that are found in electric scooters and the solar powered cars that have upgraded solar panels.
Post by: scrdest on July 07, 2015, 08:48:42 am
Is it also changed when you are sad?Nope. At least, not back when I checked, I browse Cata github in bursts.
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on July 07, 2015, 01:23:51 pm
Apparently, if you have good[1-100] morale and have crossed the Feline mutation threshold, your emote is :3 instead of : ) . This made my day
I wondered how long it would be before someone noticed that.
Post by: Micro102 on July 09, 2015, 04:55:16 pm
Also, where the hell do I find a large amount of bleach? The guy says houses but I must have searched for 50 houses and have only found 4 gallon jugs. Is there a book that can teach me how to make it?
Also also, How do you stop "brightness" form waking you up? Apparently boarded up windows and closed doors aren't good enough.
Post by: Sindain on July 09, 2015, 05:03:01 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on July 09, 2015, 05:06:58 pm
Is it worth it to make pemmican? So far it just seems to turn a bunch of non-perishables into a less enjoyable non-perishable. What is it good for?
I haven't made any, so I don't know the ingredients, buuut I do have one.
IIRC, it's six portions of non perishable food versus...
Maybe four portions of various other foods. Besides this, I'd say it's just there as an alternative to having piles of tallow and stuff :P
Post by: Micro102 on July 09, 2015, 06:02:59 pm
Bleach can be found in large quantities in labs iirc. You can also learn it as a level 6 chemistry recipe from any of the mid-level chemistry books.
Yeah I JUST found a lab ID and happily looted half the rooms of their bleach :)
Post by: BigD145 on July 09, 2015, 06:23:43 pm
Post by: Micro102 on July 09, 2015, 06:37:55 pm
For the time spent making pemmican you might as well make smoked meat.
Agreed.
Also, for anyone wondering, I found an item called blindfold which I assume will let me sleep in bright areas.
Post by: Darkmere on July 09, 2015, 06:48:13 pm
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Post by: n9103 on July 10, 2015, 08:24:02 am
Pemmican is amazing stuff... nutritionally. It is not a tasty substance.More enjoyable than plain tallow, IMO.
Then again, I'm not as against pemmican's flavor as the rest of you.
May have something to do with the many reservation visits and camping trips I had as a kid.
Post by: puke on July 10, 2015, 09:19:51 am
Pemmican is amazing stuff... nutritionally. It is not a tasty substance.
mmmm... beef candles...
Post by: BigD145 on July 10, 2015, 09:24:57 am
Post by: Greiger on July 10, 2015, 06:30:09 pm
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After a spare tire replacement I went on to the next quest and I see I can actually assign my followers jobs around the refugee center and farm. This is actually really awesome.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 10, 2015, 07:07:09 pm
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I suggest looking into increasing your tailoring, so that you can get around that muzzle of yours with an XL variant of something.
Post by: azmodean on July 11, 2015, 02:37:53 am
Post by: Micro102 on July 11, 2015, 06:57:12 pm
Also, if you are going to start your own group, do you need things like beds, food, etc? Or could I put a billboard in the middle of nowhere and never return? What's the point of starting a group?
Post by: i2amroy on July 11, 2015, 07:13:43 pm
Post by: Micro102 on July 11, 2015, 07:17:33 pm
Are you playing with static NPC's on?Ah damn. And I had an OP character going too.
Post by: jocan2003 on July 11, 2015, 09:35:13 pm
http://www.wiki.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?title=Savegame_Editing
Everything is very well explained there. Have fun!
Post by: Micro102 on July 11, 2015, 11:35:17 pm
Well you can always import your character to a new world, i did that a few time. With a little bit of save game editing i can transfer my inventory, bionics and learned recipes, thats about the only thing i really care about.Too late, now I have an even MORE OP CHARACTER! :P
http://www.wiki.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?title=Savegame_Editing
Everything is very well explained there. Have fun!
Now... what is the most energy efficient/sustainable light source that I can keep going? I need some light for crafting underground. I'm guessing it's going to involve solar cells but I don't need a floodlight. Maybe something even weaker then a flashlight that I could attach a rechargeable batter mod to?
Post by: Darkmere on July 11, 2015, 11:43:13 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on July 11, 2015, 11:48:27 pm
Atomic nightlights, or oil lamps? Theoretically a cranial flashlight with the joint torsion ratchet would be free.
Cranial flashlight for sure. It consumes very little power, even when left on for long periods of time. Although a semi-sustainable method of generating bionic power[EG: Not Battery or Ethanol] would sort of be required for true convenience.
Post by: Micro102 on July 12, 2015, 12:34:41 am
Atomic nightlights, or oil lamps? Theoretically a cranial flashlight with the joint torsion ratchet would be free.
Cranial flashlight for sure. It consumes very little power, even when left on for long periods of time. Although a semi-sustainable method of generating bionic power[EG: Not Battery or Ethanol] would sort of be required for true convenience.
That sounds like what I want, if not a little hard to find and obtain.
Post by: Arcvasti on July 12, 2015, 12:41:41 am
Atomic nightlights, or oil lamps? Theoretically a cranial flashlight with the joint torsion ratchet would be free.
Cranial flashlight for sure. It consumes very little power, even when left on for long periods of time. Although a semi-sustainable method of generating bionic power[EG: Not Battery or Ethanol] would sort of be required for true convenience.
That sounds like what I want, if not a little hard to find and obtain.
Utility bionics are relatively easy to get from labs, both from butchering zombie scientists and as loot. Although you need decent[I did fine with three] computers skill so as to hack the bionics storage thing without getting shot to death by secubots. Aside from that, if you have something non-conductive to deal with the odd bio-operator, you should be perfectly safe if you remember to peek around all the doorways with your light off to avoid getting killed by turrets.
Post by: BigD145 on July 12, 2015, 08:20:17 am
Post by: ( Tchey ) on July 12, 2015, 09:53:49 am
- I've played a lot of Cataclysm back a few version ago.
- I've played lot of Projetct Zomboid before it was lost and back again.
How they compair today, beside one is turn based and other real time ? Or they can't be in competition together for whatever reason ?
Thanks
Post by: Ivefan on July 12, 2015, 10:06:08 am
Hey people,
- I've played a lot of Cataclysm back a few version ago.
- I've played lot of Projetct Zomboid before it was lost and back again.
How they compair today, beside one is turn based and other real time ? Or they can't be in competition together for whatever reason ?
Thanks
I played some zomboid recently. It only made me want to go play cataclysm instead because theres so much more one can do in cata.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 12, 2015, 10:13:36 am
Post by: Akura on July 12, 2015, 10:46:44 am
Modding question: how do I add modded-in buildings to the map generation? It's not automatic, is it?IIRC once you've made the building itself you need to give it a matching overmap tile defintion in data/json/overmap_terrain.json, and then add it to either data/json/regional_map_settings.json or data/json/overmap_specials.json, depending on what exact type of building it is and how you want it to spawn.
No way to do it in the mod itself? That makes it a little harder to distribute the mod unless - derp - I can add the appropriate entries in the mod folder. I'm mostly done with it, just have to finish with recipies, the building I wanted to add, and *shudder* balance.
Post by: Micro102 on July 12, 2015, 12:04:56 pm
For some reason peeking doesn't work for me. Even when I peek with the lights off the turret gets a burst fire off.Atomic nightlights, or oil lamps? Theoretically a cranial flashlight with the joint torsion ratchet would be free.
Cranial flashlight for sure. It consumes very little power, even when left on for long periods of time. Although a semi-sustainable method of generating bionic power[EG: Not Battery or Ethanol] would sort of be required for true convenience.
That sounds like what I want, if not a little hard to find and obtain.
Utility bionics are relatively easy to get from labs, both from butchering zombie scientists and as loot. Although you need decent[I did fine with three] computers skill so as to hack the bionics storage thing without getting shot to death by secubots. Aside from that, if you have something non-conductive to deal with the odd bio-operator, you should be perfectly safe if you remember to peek around all the doorways with your light off to avoid getting killed by turrets.
Hey people,Well, zombie has better graphics and is realtime, and catalog has everything else... I hate all survival games now because cataclysm DDA is so good.
- I've played a lot of Cataclysm back a few version ago.
- I've played lot of Projetct Zomboid before it was lost and back again.
How they compair today, beside one is turn based and other real time ? Or they can't be in competition together for whatever reason ?
Thanks
Post by: BigD145 on July 12, 2015, 12:26:44 pm
Post by: i2amroy on July 12, 2015, 12:48:33 pm
No way to do it in the mod itself? That makes it a little harder to distribute the mod unless - derp - I can add the appropriate entries in the mod folder. I'm mostly done with it, just have to finish with recipies, the building I wanted to add, and *shudder* balance.You might be able to do it by just overriding the vanilla things with slightly changed duplicates (though that would break pretty quickly). I'm not quite sure if we actually support any good way to edit those particular files through the mod system right now. :-\
Post by: Arcvasti on July 12, 2015, 03:01:32 pm
For some reason peeking doesn't work for me. Even when I peek with the lights off the turret gets a burst fire off.Atomic nightlights, or oil lamps? Theoretically a cranial flashlight with the joint torsion ratchet would be free.
Cranial flashlight for sure. It consumes very little power, even when left on for long periods of time. Although a semi-sustainable method of generating bionic power[EG: Not Battery or Ethanol] would sort of be required for true convenience.
That sounds like what I want, if not a little hard to find and obtain.
Utility bionics are relatively easy to get from labs, both from butchering zombie scientists and as loot. Although you need decent[I did fine with three] computers skill so as to hack the bionics storage thing without getting shot to death by secubots. Aside from that, if you have something non-conductive to deal with the odd bio-operator, you should be perfectly safe if you remember to peek around all the doorways with your light off to avoid getting killed by turrets.
Huh, maybe its changed since the version I played, but the turrets in labs usually gave me a turn's warning by going "Beep-beep-beep!", which is usually enough to close the door and scram[Or shoot them with a gun, if that's your style.]. Not that its foolproof, sometimes the turret was positioned so as to get a shot off at me, but as long as you've got decent head protection and lots of bandages[Which are also found everywhere in labs], it should be survivable. Although the pain would leave you unable to melee bio-operators, which is bad.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 12, 2015, 04:01:53 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on July 12, 2015, 04:03:19 pm
By peeking, are you guys talking about using the overly convoluted thing that changes your view to be around the corner while keeping you in the same spot?
Yes, "X". That's what I'M talking about, at least. Sorry, should have made that clear. Sometimes even that's not safe, since just opening the door puts you in the turret's sights.
Post by: Greiger on July 12, 2015, 04:39:32 pm
Post by: Micro102 on July 12, 2015, 04:58:49 pm
Open them diagnolly with the numpad and then peek.By peeking, are you guys talking about using the overly convoluted thing that changes your view to be around the corner while keeping you in the same spot?
Yes, "X". That's what I'M talking about, at least. Sorry, should have made that clear. Sometimes even that's not safe, since just opening the door puts you in the turret's sights.
I think you can actually peek through the door with X even when closed. Don't quote me on that though might be thinking windows.Yes that would be windows.
Post by: Arcvasti on July 12, 2015, 11:16:32 pm
Open them diagnolly with the numpad and then peek.By peeking, are you guys talking about using the overly convoluted thing that changes your view to be around the corner while keeping you in the same spot?
Yes, "X". That's what I'M talking about, at least. Sorry, should have made that clear. Sometimes even that's not safe, since just opening the door puts you in the turret's sights.
Sometimes the hallway/room thingy is weirdly shaped though, and opening the door diagonally means you're right in front of the turret. Usually works fine though.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 13, 2015, 12:53:47 am
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Post by: i2amroy on July 13, 2015, 02:41:22 am
A better way to use swamps as an energy source would be digging for peat and compressing it into briquettes to burn in an oven. Done in real life for a long time, doable with simple tools, why not? (Because someone would have to code it.)Mainly because being able to pull an infinite amount of fuel out of a single tile of swamp would kinda put it's value over the top a bit, and there isn't really a good way right now to separate "has taken peat from here" vs. "has not taken peat from here". You can bet this is one of the first things I'll be adding once we have a way to track a bit of data on individual tiles (which we already have some good ideas for, mainly just holding off to make the Z-level development stuff go a bit easier).
Post by: Sheb on July 13, 2015, 03:54:24 am
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Post by: n9103 on July 13, 2015, 08:44:05 am
On the topic of chemicals, as a Russian person I was fairly surprised that hydrogen peroxide bottles you can occasionally find do not function as disinfectant. I'm not even sure they can be made into disinfectant, without looking through the recipe files. It seems to have been largely phased out in the US as a disinfectant because it makes scarring more likely and prolongs recovery time, but it's still a disinfectant - shouldn't it be usable as such?Yea, the non-disinfectant bugged me too.
Also, H2O2 is still common over here for first aid, just not as common as things like neosporin (anti-bact ointment), mostly due to it's bulk and longevity I would assume.
I've never seen a portable kit with H2O2, but most of the home supplies I've seen have a bottle. Personally, I've used it on just about every minor wound I've gotten, supplementing with neosporin for longer-term effectiveness when needed.
Also, with the rise of resistant strains, I wouldn't be surprised if alternatives like H2O2 become more common.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 13, 2015, 10:34:04 am
Post by: kilakan on July 13, 2015, 10:45:07 am
Something different now:Is there any way to make moose/other normally (in real life) non-agressive animals less aggressive in the game excepting just talking animal empathy? Cause I find it odd that a moose will run you down from kilometers away as someone who lives in Canada... it's very easy to actually just chase them off :-\ excepting mating season mind you but they still don't run you down like a psychopathic badger.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 13, 2015, 10:51:31 am
Post by: Darkmere on July 13, 2015, 10:53:12 am
Post by: Micro102 on July 13, 2015, 11:28:46 am
I think its just a case of lowering a stat...
If you are talking about animal empathy, he asked if there are different ways.
Also, does anyone else try to min max their guy? I've found going really bad day tweaker to be nearly impossible, so I stick to shower victim and can still reach 12 in each Stat and full positive traits. What do you guys do to min max? I always take fleetfooted, nightvision, and robust genetics.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 13, 2015, 11:31:20 am
If you are talking about animal empathy, he asked if there are different ways.I was talking about lowering the aggression of moose. Theres one stat which affects aggression, or atleast that is what I am lead to understand from those who have messed with the code.
Post by: Micro102 on July 13, 2015, 11:33:10 am
If you are talking about animal empathy, he asked if there are different ways.I was talking about lowering the aggression of moose. Theres one stat which affects aggression, or atleast that is what I am lead to understand from those who have messed with the code.
O, that's interesting.
Post by: Tawa on July 13, 2015, 11:42:57 am
I always ... nightvisionOut of curiosity, how long have you been playing the game?
Post by: Aseaheru on July 13, 2015, 11:58:16 am
Post by: Sindain on July 13, 2015, 12:02:31 pm
Post by: Tnx on July 13, 2015, 12:02:51 pm
Also, does anyone else try to min max their guy? I've found going really bad day tweaker to be nearly impossible, so I stick to shower victim and can still reach 12 in each Stat and full positive traits. What do you guys do to min max? I always take fleetfooted, nightvision, and robust genetics.
Doesn't taking sheltered give you more points? You start with zero in all skills though, which is fine with me. But yeah, I always take those 3 perks as well.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 13, 2015, 12:07:28 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 13, 2015, 01:20:37 pm
My go-to negs are heavy sleeper, insomniac, poor hearing, lactose intol, trigger happy, junk food intol, truth teller, addictive personality, weak stomach, glass jaw, wool allergy, wheat allergy roughly in order. ED: Oh yeah farsighted, lightweight, slow healer, thin skinned aren't TOO burdensome either, although slow healer can be a drag if you get some bad luck in the lab start and the food starts to spoil, but I've been kind of lax on using bandages.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 13, 2015, 01:32:57 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 13, 2015, 01:46:56 pm
ED: Or you might not realize just HOW many points you get with Lab start + Unwilling Mutant, it's pretty sweet.....
Post by: gimlet on July 13, 2015, 02:22:39 pm
Post by: Tnx on July 13, 2015, 02:38:17 pm
Post by: Greiger on July 13, 2015, 05:46:38 pm
Lightweight and addiction prone are basically free points to me because it seems I got the whole anti drug message so thoroughly ingrained into my head by D.A.R.E. that I won't even take major drugs in a videogame. Hell I'll usually even avoid alcohol ingame, but that's more because I know I can make on demand firebombs with it.
I take jittery pretty much just because that's an issue I myself have, and if I'm doing things right I won't ever be in a situation when it actually procs in a dangerous situation. And fast metabolism because I usually end up with more food than I know what to do with, may as well get some points for it.
Glass jaw is there because if I'm taking enough damage where it can kill me it would have jumped my pain high enough that I would be basically comatose already. Glass jaw just gets it over with faster.
Post by: Arcvasti on July 13, 2015, 05:57:48 pm
Glass jaw is there because if I'm taking enough damage where it can kill me it would have jumped my pain high enough that I would be basically comatose already. Glass jaw just gets it over with faster.
Glass Jaw is basically free points until you start running into people with guns. The lack of Glass Jaw, with decent armour, can make the difference between getting instakilled or not and being able to retaliate or retreat.
Post by: Noblaum on July 13, 2015, 06:43:05 pm
On more advanced characters, I take a hazmat suit and an electrohack and break into a missile silo. It's good to have the ability to nuke stuff on hand, especially if there are Fungal Blooms or something similar spouting hordes of zombies along the main roads. Fortunately I'm absolute crap at driving in Cataclysm (I once got into a car, somehow in near-perfect condition, backed it through a the garage wall, and got out when it was lodged in the bar just behind the house) so I can just walk around the craters it causes.
Post by: Micro102 on July 13, 2015, 07:03:33 pm
I always ... nightvisionOut of curiosity, how long have you been playing the game?
A very long time. Why, do you not know the wonders of never having to fight a zombie at night and being able to kill anything with a gun at night? Also easy early game basement raiding and one step closer to perfect night vision mutation.
Also, purging an area of fungal oils is a pain in the ass. I have to use scorched earth tactics to stop the bastards from spreading. I slept in a swamp, then I had to burn down the swamp. Do trees grow back?
Post by: gimlet on July 13, 2015, 07:48:14 pm
Post by: Greiger on July 13, 2015, 07:54:43 pm
I don't think so. Unless you manage to lure a Trifflid queen into the area. But then you will have less swamp and more impenetrable jungle anyway.
I just learned a valuable lesson. Remember to always install 5 point harnesses in your super heavy armored zombie pancake machines.
While it was amusing to smash the car into a shocker brute at 70 mph and watch it continue on to smash at least 3 more normal zeds while skidding sideways, It would have been far more enjoyable to have been in the car when it was doing it instead of being splayed out on the asphalt with 140 pain in a hostile city.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 13, 2015, 11:02:31 pm
Also, does anyone else try to min max their guy? I've found going really bad day tweaker to be nearly impossible, so I stick to shower victim and can still reach 12 in each Stat and full positive traits. What do you guys do to min max? I always take fleetfooted, nightvision, and robust genetics.
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TLDR: Int 20 Dex 6 Per 7; Str (varies by scenario/profession) Shaolin Adept (Dragon Kung-Fu),Trigger-happy, Wool Allergy, Insomniac, Weak Stomach, Animal Discord, Lightweight, Heavy Sleeper, Bad Hearing, and Truth Teller (if playing with NPCs on) or Smelly and Clumsy (if otherwise) traits; Mall Cop or Burning Building + Failed Cyborg start/profession.
Post by: gimlet on July 13, 2015, 11:20:48 pm
ED: Huh, interesting, in something with lots of points like Lab Challenge you could have 13 Str with that Int 20 Dex 6 Per 7 and still have enough points for night vision and robust genetics on top of the Martial Art. Only 7 Str as Evacuee Failed Cyborg, you really still take all 20 Int there? Or you do without night vision/genetics for 10. Hmmm, I'ma give those a whirl when I get a chance...
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2015, 07:43:57 am
Post by: n9103 on July 14, 2015, 08:40:45 am
Beyond that, I usually aim for 12s on the other stats as well. For games I plan on focusing on melee, Str gets the rest of the points, otherwise they're split between Str, Dex and Per.
Traitwise, I almost always take Quick, Fleet-footed and nightvision. The rest of the pos and negs I vary pretty widely on. Same for starting scenarios.
I do usually pick up a level in archery and survival for my longer aimed characters, as well as melee and dodge if I've got the points to spare.
Post by: Greiger on July 14, 2015, 10:03:13 am
While my current character did cheat a little, since mutations don't seem balanced point wise vs everything else for starting traits. I found a crossbow and some bolts early, and by the time I found any other decent weapon, the char was so good with a crossbow there didn't seem to be a point in switching.
Post by: kilakan on July 14, 2015, 10:41:24 am
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 14, 2015, 10:50:26 am
Hmm interesting, what's your strength?
ED: Huh, interesting, in something with lots of points like Lab Challenge you could have 13 Str with that Int 20 Dex 6 Per 7 and still have enough points for night vision and robust genetics on top of the Martial Art. Only 7 Str as Evacuee Failed Cyborg, you really still take all 20 Int there? Or you do without night vision/genetics for 10. Hmmm, I'ma give those a whirl when I get a chance...
Nah, I myself don't spend points for night vision/robust genetics. I'd rather sink any spare points from professions/starts into strength. I used to take robust genetics, but I find more immediate need of that extra Str rather than some ease in mutations later. Not to mention that I leverage that starting Int and Str with the strengths and weaknesses of the unpurifiable Post-Thresh Slime mutations (which, by the way, I highly reccomend with max-Int builds), making Robust Genetics even less mandatory.
I always kind of wondered how people do that where they plan to use certain builds. I usually put 9 in all stats just because I don't know what will be viable first. Will I find a baseball bat in an early house? Welp looks like this char is gunna melee. Find a basement gun stash early? Welp looks like this will be a rifle char. Crossbow? Welp.
It really depends on starting location. Like, that build I have works really well in Mall starts, which greatly rewards those heavily invested for melee damage. Conversely, that same build in a wilderness start could suffer greatly; low dex and no starting points in combat skills means you'll get your ass kicked if you run into a dodgy monster like, say, a giant wasp (yet, oddly enough, be more than capable of handling a moose or a bear).
Post by: n9103 on July 14, 2015, 11:06:10 am
Melee only for a ranged build? Kite everything through bushes/fire.
Large amounts of firearms and ammo for a melee? Can either burn the ammo sniping and get skill to a point where the less than great stat doesn't matter so much, or just have the fallback shotty be a bit more useful.
Either way, at that point I can pick and choose where I attack to give me better odds of finding preferred weapons.
Post by: Descan on July 14, 2015, 11:24:52 am
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Post by: Arcvasti on July 14, 2015, 12:37:42 pm
Post by: BigD145 on July 14, 2015, 12:58:47 pm
Post by: Teneb on July 14, 2015, 02:37:57 pm
It was magma. It was full of magma. And there was no stairs. Welp. I hope I can find the shopping cart full of loot I left behind when I went down when I make a new character.
Post by: BigD145 on July 14, 2015, 03:20:32 pm
Went down a set of stairs, game warned me it was hot and asked if I really wanted to do that. Decided to check it out anyway, thinking I could just go back up if it was anything too bad.
It was magma. It was full of magma. And there was no stairs. Welp. I hope I can find the shopping cart full of loot I left behind when I went down when I make a new character.
Make a new character in the same world. Backup your existing character. Compare files and figure out your z-level, or just copy the new characters location with your old character.
Post by: Micro102 on July 14, 2015, 07:16:14 pm
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Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on July 14, 2015, 08:06:38 pm
Well I'd be fine with it if they don't stand in one spot forever and never leave. Thankfully he has not decided to grab everything I own yet. I dread the day There are 10, or 20 of them. Time to move.
Think of them as a long-term food pantry; you'll be thankful for all that long pork when times get tight!
Post by: Egan_BW on July 14, 2015, 08:11:43 pm
Post by: Micro102 on July 14, 2015, 08:52:51 pm
That is, when you get tired of eating the thousands of squirrels you have in storage. ;)
I don't even want to know.
As for moving my base, I need it to be near a refugee center. Does anyone know how to find one? I remember there being a way to mark down a location.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 14, 2015, 09:06:37 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on July 14, 2015, 09:13:31 pm
Went down a set of stairs, game warned me it was hot and asked if I really wanted to do that. Decided to check it out anyway, thinking I could just go back up if it was anything too bad.
It was magma. It was full of magma. And there was no stairs. Welp. I hope I can find the shopping cart full of loot I left behind when I went down when I make a new character.
If the game ever gives you a warning when going down stairs, do not go. Ever. Ever ever.
Post by: Culise on July 14, 2015, 09:40:35 pm
So, the game giving you a warning about stairs is like a GM asking those three immortal words, "Are you sure?" :PWent down a set of stairs, game warned me it was hot and asked if I really wanted to do that. Decided to check it out anyway, thinking I could just go back up if it was anything too bad.
It was magma. It was full of magma. And there was no stairs. Welp. I hope I can find the shopping cart full of loot I left behind when I went down when I make a new character.
If the game ever gives you a warning when going down stairs, do not go. Ever. Ever ever.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 14, 2015, 09:48:46 pm
Fun fact: LMOE is pronounced "Lame-O" according to Max Brook's World War Z.
Post by: Arcvasti on July 14, 2015, 10:21:21 pm
Important life advice: Never, EVER, discount warnings about stairs.So, the game giving you a warning about stairs is like a GM asking those three immortal words, "Are you sure?" :PWent down a set of stairs, game warned me it was hot and asked if I really wanted to do that. Decided to check it out anyway, thinking I could just go back up if it was anything too bad.
It was magma. It was full of magma. And there was no stairs. Welp. I hope I can find the shopping cart full of loot I left behind when I went down when I make a new character.
If the game ever gives you a warning when going down stairs, do not go. Ever. Ever ever.
Post by: Tawa on July 14, 2015, 10:26:06 pm
Fun fact: LMOE is pronounced "Lame-O" according to Max Brook's World War Z.Aw, I liked it better when it was the Elmo shelter. :(
Post by: Darkmere on July 15, 2015, 12:22:41 am
Important life advice: Never, EVER, discount warnings about stairs.
...*sigh* Fine.
It keeps happening! I told you dog!
Post by: Aavak on July 15, 2015, 04:56:41 am
Well I'd be fine with it if they don't stand in one spot forever and never leave. Thankfully he has not decided to grab everything I own yet. I dread the day There are 10, or 20 of them. Time to move.
Think of them as a long-term food pantry; you'll be thankful for all that long pork when times get tight!
My instinct was to thumbs up/upvote/like/share/subscribe/whatever this comment. I laughed so devilishly when I read it, it somehow lifted my mood, even though I wasn't glum before. Well played ;)
Post by: Greiger on July 15, 2015, 09:30:19 am
Post by: Aseaheru on July 15, 2015, 04:43:37 pm
Post by: Aavak on July 15, 2015, 06:36:52 pm
Oh, Aavak. Have you checked out the NPC stuff?
Not yet I'm afraid.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 15, 2015, 11:11:03 pm
I've always read as a feaux-anagram for LEMOn shelter.Fun fact: LMOE is pronounced "Lame-O" according to Max Brook's World War Z.Aw, I liked it better when it was the Elmo shelter. :(
Post by: Steelmagic on July 16, 2015, 03:18:58 am
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on July 16, 2015, 04:23:24 am
They did not survive.
And nothing of value was lost.
You did save the meat, right?
Post by: BigD145 on July 16, 2015, 09:13:39 am
An NPC started coming up to me as I was sitting in my ambulance minding my own business. They came in through the passenger door and robbed me, while they were robbing me, I floored it. When they were done they jumped out of my high-speed ambulance. They did not survive. All is well.
There is something to be said for doors modded with electric motors to keep out the riffraff.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 16, 2015, 09:52:12 am
Post by: Micro102 on July 17, 2015, 11:21:45 am
Is there a way for me to transfer water from it to other containers? Empty it out? It's like I'm missing a command for "dip your canteen in that massive barrel of water".
Post by: heydude6 on July 17, 2015, 11:23:12 am
Post by: Micro102 on July 17, 2015, 11:29:49 am
I believe you can unload the barrel and it will then ask where you want to place the water.
I can't pick up the barrel, too heavy. And I also found out that rain water is NOT clean, but for some reason it magically turns clean in a 55 gallon drum. Sort of messes with the entire reason I got the drum...
Post by: Descan on July 17, 2015, 11:45:44 am
Also, you should be able to pick it up, even if it's really heavy, at least for the two turns to fill a canteen with it.
That said, a more permanent solution is to build a vehicle with a frame, a [water] tank, and a tap. Can use a shopping cart too if you want to be able to drag it around. Then fill up the water tank with the 55 gallon drum. You'll be able to drink directly from the tap or fill waterskins and such from it.
Post by: gimlet on July 17, 2015, 11:46:19 am
Post by: Micro102 on July 17, 2015, 12:09:59 pm
If you're standing on the tile or near the tile, I THINK you can drink from it without picking it up.
Also, you should be able to pick it up, even if it's really heavy, at least for the two turns to fill a canteen with it.
That said, a more permanent solution is to build a vehicle with a frame, a [water] tank, and a tap. Can use a shopping cart too if you want to be able to drag it around. Then fill up the water tank with the 55 gallon drum. You'll be able to drink directly from the tap or fill waterskins and such from it.
I cant drink from it and it won't even let me put it in my inventory because it's so heavy, but I will try that vehicle suggestion, sounds like just what I want. (EDIT: It seems that it as not clean water and I can still use it, no idea why I wasn't able to earlier)
Also, it seems there is a bug with NPCs, or at least bandits. They seem to be able to see you and shoot at your through trees. Hiding behind trees out of their line of sight with a shotgun was not a good idea.
Post by: n9103 on July 17, 2015, 12:57:04 pm
Post by: BigD145 on July 17, 2015, 12:57:26 pm
I believe you can unload the barrel and it will then ask where you want to place the water.
I can't pick up the barrel, too heavy. And I also found out that rain water is NOT clean, but for some reason it magically turns clean in a 55 gallon drum. Sort of messes with the entire reason I got the drum...
You can pick it up if your hands are empty. You might be in pain from the weight, but you should still be able to pick it up.
Post by: Micro102 on July 17, 2015, 12:59:20 pm
I believe you can unload the barrel and it will then ask where you want to place the water.
I can't pick up the barrel, too heavy. And I also found out that rain water is NOT clean, but for some reason it magically turns clean in a 55 gallon drum. Sort of messes with the entire reason I got the drum...
You can pick it up if your hands are empty. You might be in pain from the weight, but you should still be able to pick it up.
I just tried again, it says "The 55 gallon drum of water (795) is too heavy!". My hands were empty.
Post by: n9103 on July 17, 2015, 01:01:17 pm
Post by: Greiger on July 17, 2015, 01:55:58 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 17, 2015, 01:57:44 pm
And I also found out that rain water is NOT clean, but for some reason it magically turns clean in a 55 gallon drum. Sort of messes with the entire reason I got the drum...Out of curiosity, for what purpose do you need uncertain water that couldn't be done with clean water?
Post by: BigD145 on July 17, 2015, 02:03:46 pm
That's actually been the case for a very very long time. The weight threshold is very high but as far as I know there was always a point where you just were incapable of even lifting something that was far too heavy. Before the advanced inventory management at least, I recall encountering parts that were just too heavy to move and I had to drive my car there with tools and install on site.
Or grab a shopping cart and stick it in there.
Post by: Micro102 on July 17, 2015, 03:41:03 pm
And I also found out that rain water is NOT clean, but for some reason it magically turns clean in a 55 gallon drum. Sort of messes with the entire reason I got the drum...Out of curiosity, for what purpose do you need uncertain water that couldn't be done with clean water?
Well if I cannot fill a canteen from the drum, the next best thing is to boil water int a canteen with crafting. But you need dirty water to craft clean water.
I wish. The thing has a volume of like, 865. The only way to transport is to have it empty and wield it. Or do a million inventory manager movements.That's actually been the case for a very very long time. The weight threshold is very high but as far as I know there was always a point where you just were incapable of even lifting something that was far too heavy. Before the advanced inventory management at least, I recall encountering parts that were just too heavy to move and I had to drive my car there with tools and install on site.
Or grab a shopping cart and stick it in there.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 17, 2015, 03:51:14 pm
Wait, wasn't it possible to Unload things in the same tile that you're standing in? I seem to recall it from somewhere, implemented because of needing to unload turrets or something.And I also found out that rain water is NOT clean, but for some reason it magically turns clean in a 55 gallon drum. Sort of messes with the entire reason I got the drum...Out of curiosity, for what purpose do you need uncertain water that couldn't be done with clean water?
Well if I cannot fill a canteen from the drum, the next best thing is to boil water int a canteen with crafting. But you need dirty water to craft clean water.I wish. The thing has a volume of like, 865. The only way to transport is to have it empty and wield it. Or do a million inventory manager movements.That's actually been the case for a very very long time. The weight threshold is very high but as far as I know there was always a point where you just were incapable of even lifting something that was far too heavy. Before the advanced inventory management at least, I recall encountering parts that were just too heavy to move and I had to drive my car there with tools and install on site.
Or grab a shopping cart and stick it in there.
edit: just checked, and it works. You need your hands empty, stand in the same tile as something you need unloaded, and press "U". You'll be able to choose from items on the ground.
Post by: Micro102 on July 17, 2015, 03:56:05 pm
Wait, wasn't it possible to Unload things in the same tile that you're standing in? I seem to recall it from somewhere, implemented because of needing to unload turrets or something.And I also found out that rain water is NOT clean, but for some reason it magically turns clean in a 55 gallon drum. Sort of messes with the entire reason I got the drum...Out of curiosity, for what purpose do you need uncertain water that couldn't be done with clean water?
Well if I cannot fill a canteen from the drum, the next best thing is to boil water int a canteen with crafting. But you need dirty water to craft clean water.I wish. The thing has a volume of like, 865. The only way to transport is to have it empty and wield it. Or do a million inventory manager movements.That's actually been the case for a very very long time. The weight threshold is very high but as far as I know there was always a point where you just were incapable of even lifting something that was far too heavy. Before the advanced inventory management at least, I recall encountering parts that were just too heavy to move and I had to drive my car there with tools and install on site.
Or grab a shopping cart and stick it in there.
edit: just checked, and it works. You need your hands empty, stand in the same tile as something you need unloaded, and press "U". You'll be able to choose from items on the ground.
Omg all those hours wasted picking up and dropping anything with batteries.
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on July 17, 2015, 03:59:43 pm
And I also found out that rain water is NOT clean, for some reason it magically turns clean in a 55 gallon drum
I can't see any way that this could possibly be happening. The code for filling containers doesn't change the type of liquid, it just moves it around.
I just tried again, it says "The 55 gallon drum of water (795) is too heavy!". My hands were empty.
Note that if it were clean water, then that would be a 55 gallon drum of clean water (795) instead.
Enjoy your new parasites!
Post by: Micro102 on July 17, 2015, 04:13:26 pm
And I also found out that rain water is NOT clean, for some reason it magically turns clean in a 55 gallon drum
I can't see any way that this could possibly be happening. The code for filling containers doesn't change the type of liquid, it just moves it around.I just tried again, it says "The 55 gallon drum of water (795) is too heavy!". My hands were empty.
Note that if it were clean water, then that would be a 55 gallon drum of clean water (795) instead.
Enjoy your new parasites!
Yeah I already mentioned that it was actually dirty water. I got confused due to 2 things. One was the word "clean" when examining the drum, and the second was that I couldn't use it in crafting because it was on the other side of a display case. apparently in order to use things to craft you need to be able to walk in a straight line to it, not just see it.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 17, 2015, 06:18:22 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on July 17, 2015, 06:30:06 pm
Post by: Azated on July 19, 2015, 09:50:54 am
I just found one that isn't spoilerish in any way but was a really nice discovery just out of the blue, so I'm gonna spoiler it anyway.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
*big image alert*
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Post by: n9103 on July 19, 2015, 12:10:27 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on July 19, 2015, 12:13:26 pm
this is a thing normal humans do, yes?
:P
Post by: Majestic7 on July 20, 2015, 12:50:45 am
This makes me think there should be adolescent survivors, maybe even small children that you'd then need to decide what to do with. They'd be, you know, pretty useless as companions and only draw on your food and water, but abandoning them to die should be a very heavy guilt hit unless a psychopath.
Post by: Kaitol on July 20, 2015, 01:02:01 am
When survivors are asked why/analyzed by a shrink, it's generally because they would feel embarrassed about leaving a mess/horrifying mangled corpse. Men on the other hand, give no fucks generally. Go out with a bang.
But of course, there are always exceptions and this is just a *mostly* kind of deal.
Post by: Majestic7 on July 20, 2015, 01:11:52 am
Post by: Sheb on July 20, 2015, 03:50:54 am
Post by: Graknorke on July 20, 2015, 03:55:55 am
Also, it should be noted that current studies are skewed, since a very small percentage of suicide attempts occurs during zombi apocalypse.No better time to start than the present. So we need a zombie apocalypse, a placebo zombie apocalypse, and a ton of people to dump in them.
Post by: Majestic7 on July 20, 2015, 04:00:59 am
Post by: hops on July 20, 2015, 04:04:55 am
How do you intend to reanimate sugar pills?Also, it should be noted that current studies are skewed, since a very small percentage of suicide attempts occurs during zombi apocalypse.No better time to start than the present. So we need a zombie apocalypse, a placebo zombie apocalypse, and a ton of people to dump in them.
Post by: Graknorke on July 20, 2015, 06:59:15 am
Post by: n9103 on July 20, 2015, 07:33:05 am
Post by: Majestic7 on July 20, 2015, 08:19:21 am
Post by: blackmagechill on July 20, 2015, 10:30:41 am
In a zombie apocalypse the belief that destroying the brain prevent resurrection as a Z-kin might be a valid reason for everyone to shoot themselves in a heteronormative patriarchal attempt at keeping down the Z-kin and their valid attempts at recognition.You're triggering me with your hate speech, shit lord. All this human privilege here...
Post by: Micro102 on July 20, 2015, 04:48:09 pm
Post by: i2amroy on July 20, 2015, 04:55:24 pm
Post by: BigD145 on July 20, 2015, 09:49:23 pm
Post by: azmodean on July 20, 2015, 11:09:18 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on July 22, 2015, 01:26:26 am
Post by: Baffler on July 22, 2015, 01:38:29 am
ooh, a medieval peasant challenge. i've been waiting for this
Oh, really? I gotta get the latest experimental...
Post by: Majestic7 on July 22, 2015, 01:44:56 am
Edit: There should be a medieval knight -start too, where you begin with melee skills, wearing plate armor and wielding a greatsword or the like.
Edit2: And ninja and samurai and caveman and horny clown -starts too of course!
Post by: RexMundi on July 22, 2015, 02:14:12 am
Post by: UristMcDwarf on July 22, 2015, 02:40:47 am
Is the peasant illiterate? He should be.
Edit: There should be a medieval knight -start too, where you begin with melee skills, wearing plate armor and wielding a greatsword or the like.
Edit2: And ninja and samurai and caveman and horny clown -starts too of course!
yeah, peasant is illiterate, he's also junkfood intolerant but has strong stomach
Post by: hops on July 22, 2015, 04:59:46 am
Post by: Majestic7 on July 22, 2015, 05:27:05 am
edit: I just tried this and you can! NEAT! Being able to eat yourself is nice, being able to dissect yourself and rob yourself of modifications is even nicer!
Post by: Teneb on July 22, 2015, 10:25:34 am
Medieval knight needs Windmill robots.Even if as a schizophrenia hallucination if nothing else.
Post by: Tnx on July 22, 2015, 11:23:38 am
Post by: gimlet on July 22, 2015, 01:46:28 pm
There were no jackhammers/jacquehammers, and no wood saw to make cart wheels for a vehicle, which was my other thought. I could get 2 more points strength from a bionic if I grind electronics and then get lucky, I *might* have enough food left for that, but I doubt that's gonna be enough.
Oh, duh, I have a teleporter, I keep forgetting about - I'm saving that for last though 'cause I really want to get back to get the nice CBMs. I guess I could go find tools to smash or dig - is that it or am I missing something?
Post by: Aseaheru on July 22, 2015, 02:16:15 pm
I know that means nothing getting out, but it lets you get back in for those CBMs.
Post by: Sindain on July 22, 2015, 07:00:29 pm
Post by: azmodean on July 22, 2015, 10:25:45 pm
Is the player outpost additions by Acidia in yet?No, he disappeared again, I can only assume he got a bad case of the "working" again. :/
Post by: Micro102 on July 23, 2015, 12:32:26 am
Also, has the safe mode spam been fixed yet? I can appreciate the second warning after ignoring something when it is getting closer, but I don't need a third or forth, especially 2 turns after ignoring it for the second time, and I don't need it to forget that I ignored it every time it disappears behind a tree for one turn. And for some reason, it has no problem remembering that I ignored the really dangerous things that are hiding around a building corner. The safe-mode was fine before. I don't get why it was changed.
Also also, it seems that enemies can shoot around corners? I have no line of sight on things but they can still shoot me. It explains my problem with turrets. They seem to know I'm there before I know they are there.
Post by: Darkmere on July 23, 2015, 01:20:06 am
Post by: Micro102 on July 23, 2015, 03:11:54 am
Serum is 3 or 4 doses of X concentrated in one injection. Mutagen and purifier, both.
So purifier will remove 4 mutations, and purifier serum will remove at least 12? Is that what you are telling me?
Post by: Darkmere on July 23, 2015, 05:46:52 am
Serum is 3 or 4 doses of X concentrated in one injection. Mutagen and purifier, both.
So purifier will remove 4 mutations, and purifier serum will remove at least 12? Is that what you are telling me?
I've never actually tried it when I had that many, so I'm not sure of the exact range. It should be several, though.
Post by: Majestic7 on July 23, 2015, 06:45:59 am
Stamina is a nice addition, but is it a player-only thing?
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 23, 2015, 06:53:45 am
Click the quote links for the full conversation.Rebuttal: Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains.Descan wins! Flawless victory!
Post by: Majestic7 on July 23, 2015, 07:00:37 am
Anyway, I think together with the encumbrance changes, this might make close combat a little too difficult. Taking one ordinary zed head to head should be a realistic possibility for a skilled fighter without significant danger. Now I'm getting constant head hits as a black belt... together with encumbrance it means I run around wearing nothing but a motorcycle helmet. Call me Boba Fett.
Post by: The13thRonin on July 23, 2015, 08:01:06 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 23, 2015, 02:11:59 pm
It is not about zeds aiming for head; it is about it being quite difficult to hit the head. In close combat, unless the target is surprised or something, most damage will go to arms - defensive wounds and all that, people instinctively try to defend themselves. Yeah, we got blocks and parries, but those are defense that actually succeeds somewhat - it is possible to stop a strike so it fucks up your arm, so effectively is not really a block, but prevents the attack from hitting your head.Er, you sort of described the exact thing you were saying does not exist. In close combat against a skilled fighter, any attacks will tend to hit arms - not because the attacks are aimed at arms, but because the fighter interposes his arms to protect his vitals - torso and head. Conversely, most attacks will aim to hit said vitals, so it makes sense that if you aren't blocking, the attacks will all hit there.
To take no damage from an attack, you evade the attack, dodge. If you block, you just redistribute damage - unless you have something hard to block with, like a shield or armguards.
Post by: Kaitol on July 23, 2015, 03:22:10 pm
Because sometimes you just want to be a gimp-suited midget going after zombie legs with a butcher knife. At least if you're me.
No idea what effects it could/should/would have, if any at all; maybe make you harder to hit but you get hit in the head more often? I know I can just pretend to be a midget, but it's just not the same. Plus people wouldn't know if they saw a picture of my stat screen.
(And before anyone says add it yourself, I've tried that. Compiling under windows is a clusterfuck that I could never get to work.)
Post by: Gentlefish on July 23, 2015, 04:48:37 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on July 23, 2015, 04:56:06 pm
And this is why ballistic masks are king. Winter survivor starts were hilarious for me because the full survivor armor let you wade through most of the weaker enemies without taking any damage at all if you found a strong mask. You're practically unkillable until the mask shatters and falls off your face or you meet a zombie brute.It is not about zeds aiming for head; it is about it being quite difficult to hit the head. In close combat, unless the target is surprised or something, most damage will go to arms - defensive wounds and all that, people instinctively try to defend themselves. Yeah, we got blocks and parries, but those are defense that actually succeeds somewhat - it is possible to stop a strike so it fucks up your arm, so effectively is not really a block, but prevents the attack from hitting your head.Er, you sort of described the exact thing you were saying does not exist. In close combat against a skilled fighter, any attacks will tend to hit arms - not because the attacks are aimed at arms, but because the fighter interposes his arms to protect his vitals - torso and head. Conversely, most attacks will aim to hit said vitals, so it makes sense that if you aren't blocking, the attacks will all hit there.
To take no damage from an attack, you evade the attack, dodge. If you block, you just redistribute damage - unless you have something hard to block with, like a shield or armguards.
Post by: Micro102 on July 24, 2015, 04:27:52 am
Post by: Majestic7 on July 24, 2015, 04:37:06 am
Er, you sort of described the exact thing you were saying does not exist. In close combat against a skilled fighter, any attacks will tend to hit arms - not because the attacks are aimed at arms, but because the fighter interposes his arms to protect his vitals - torso and head. Conversely, most attacks will aim to hit said vitals, so it makes sense that if you aren't blocking, the attacks will all hit there.
To take no damage from an attack, you evade the attack, dodge. If you block, you just redistribute damage - unless you have something hard to block with, like a shield or armguards.
The point is that you can get failed blocks that hit your arms/hands in full force without mitigating damage, while a proper block/parry redistributes the force of the attack. (I don't know if it works like this in the game, but it should.) In game terms, this would mean more hits to the arms than the head, abstracting those failed blocks/parries. In game terms, this might still lead into an actual in-game block/parry which has different result than just an attack hitting the arm/hand.
Instead now it seems that there are equal amount of head hits to arm hits, which is just plain wrong. Although if you want to support black belts running around naked wearing motorcycle helmets, then it is working just as intended. :D
Post by: Descan on July 24, 2015, 11:51:41 am
I'd like to re-ask my question but the difference between purifier and purifier serum, and also mention that I think lit charcoal kilns can be used as an infinite light source. They seem to stay lit for forever until you put them out.There is a wiki.
But basically, purifier will get rid of your mutations, while purifier serum needs a syringe and will get rid of MORE of your mutations, while also causing horrible horrible pain. (so make sure you have supplies to recover!)
Same for mutagen and mutagen serum.
Serum is basically just "Mutagen Plus!", with added requirements of a syringe and horrible agonizing pain!
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 24, 2015, 12:30:53 pm
Post by: Teneb on July 24, 2015, 12:45:30 pm
The wiki is sadly incomplete, I think. Unless someone went updating it recently.I'd like to re-ask my question but the difference between purifier and purifier serum, and also mention that I think lit charcoal kilns can be used as an infinite light source. They seem to stay lit for forever until you put them out.There is a wiki.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on July 24, 2015, 12:53:10 pm
Post by: i2amroy on July 24, 2015, 04:26:53 pm
Serum is basically just "Mutagen Plus!", with added requirements of a syringe and horrible agonizing pain!IIRC it's also required if you ever actually want to breach a threshold instead of just getting strange dreams at night.
Post by: Rince Wind on July 24, 2015, 04:50:40 pm
Post by: Pencil_Art on July 24, 2015, 05:01:33 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 24, 2015, 05:02:52 pm
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 24, 2015, 05:22:15 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 24, 2015, 05:33:30 pm
Post by: blazing glory on July 25, 2015, 07:01:21 pm
Just tell me, who in their right mind, throws a primed landmine down the toilet?
Seriously, it's far more likely to blow up someone who wants to take a dump rather then stop the monsters.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 25, 2015, 07:07:52 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 25, 2015, 07:22:26 pm
Post by: BigD145 on July 25, 2015, 07:25:41 pm
Post by: blazing glory on July 26, 2015, 08:08:01 am
Doesn't everyone leave chocolate landmines in their toilet?'Chocolate landmines' (thankfully) don't explode, this one does.
Post by: BigD145 on July 26, 2015, 08:17:48 am
Doesn't everyone leave chocolate landmines in their toilet?'Chocolate landmines' (thankfully) don't explode, this one does.
But this is a survivor house. What better way to let your enemies hurt themselves than when they let their guard down and are at their most vulnerable?
Post by: blazing glory on July 26, 2015, 09:02:33 am
Ah well, judging by the survivor notes and some of the NPCs, half the survivors are nutters anyway.
Post by: BigD145 on July 26, 2015, 09:10:34 am
Post by: ~Neri on July 26, 2015, 09:40:44 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This fucker's been busy.
Post by: Gamerlord on July 26, 2015, 09:58:50 am
You know what's absolutely wonderful for that situation? Chain Lightning. It's just funny when everything keels over and dies.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This fucker's been busy.
Post by: ~Neri on July 26, 2015, 10:00:05 am
Post by: guessingo on July 26, 2015, 01:32:02 pm
Post by: i2amroy on July 26, 2015, 02:59:36 pm
on Cataclysm DDA site can there be a post just by developers that talks about new features. Not small changes but bigger pictures things. I know about the long thread in the announcements, but its really hard to follow due to all the conversation. Its hard to tell what all the new stuff is.Honestly at the rate that changes happen this would take a lot of time, especially once you consider that what a player and a developer consider to be the "bigger picture" doesn't alway align (usually due to the fact that most developers don't actually play that much, instead spending their time, you know, developing).
We do do something like that with the release notes for each stable release, but for the experimentals your best bet for now is probably going to either be watching here (http://ci.narc.ro/job/Cataclysm-Matrix/changes) or to check out the list of merged PR's here (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pulls?utf8=✓&q=is%3Apr+is%3Amerged).
Post by: azmodean on July 26, 2015, 08:18:25 pm
Post by: blazing glory on July 27, 2015, 02:09:43 am
We really need to somehow redesign them so that there is sufficient gaps between everything so you can get in and out easily enough.
Or just make it possible to pull a hose from the pump that goes about 5 tiles, that'd be better but probably be harder to code.
Post by: ~Neri on July 27, 2015, 02:11:54 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on July 27, 2015, 02:12:20 am
Post by: Aseaheru on July 27, 2015, 02:14:17 am
I think there may also be a 6 row station...
Wow, 2x ninjas, and both correct.
As for transferring liquids between vehicles, well, we have jumper cables, why not expand on that?
Post by: blazing glory on July 27, 2015, 02:30:18 am
I really need to move the gas tanks from the seat and to the surface of the thing.
I'm still ultra-paranoid about these things.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 27, 2015, 02:36:06 am
Also, having the fuel inboard reduces the chances of someone beating on the outside causing the car to go boom.
Post by: Darkmere on July 27, 2015, 02:53:53 am
Post by: Aseaheru on July 27, 2015, 03:23:50 am
Post by: blazing glory on July 27, 2015, 04:12:55 am
You dont have to be next to a fuel tank to refuel a car.How? Unless you're refueling via container (which I don't like since it takes forever without a big container.) I'm pretty sure you have to be within one tile of the tank.
Post by: Orange Wizard on July 27, 2015, 04:18:00 am
Post by: blazing glory on July 27, 2015, 04:35:34 am
Unless it was a new update? I haven't updated my experimental in a month I don't think.
Post by: BigD145 on July 27, 2015, 08:08:42 am
Post by: Greiger on July 27, 2015, 12:05:00 pm
Spoiler: Old guard quest 3 (click to show/hide)
Loving it. I think I haven't been to the donate page in awhile I need to fix that. ...Except the donate button appears to be broken...
Post by: Culise on July 27, 2015, 01:23:21 pm
@: "I'm a wandering master of martial arts but I'm currently not implemented in the code."
@: "...I see." *checks fourth wall*
Plainly someone took the self-aware trait.
Post by: Micro102 on July 27, 2015, 03:20:27 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on July 27, 2015, 03:44:12 pm
Post by: Micro102 on July 27, 2015, 08:36:23 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on July 27, 2015, 08:40:16 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 27, 2015, 08:44:16 pm
Post by: blazing glory on July 27, 2015, 09:14:38 pm
Took a looksie, apparently no turrets, whoo, labs are the only thing that'll try to blast you even after you use an ID to get in.
Post by: Micro102 on July 27, 2015, 10:46:34 pm
Did you activate the mutation in the mutation list? [ key. I was cursing this too when my Night Vision upgraded, apparently new mutations start un-activated and I ran around for a while before I thought to check :p
Yeah that's it. I was confused as to why it was saying I could activate mutations, didn't even realize that you could activate mutations.
Post by: Orange Wizard on July 28, 2015, 01:42:49 am
Post by: Aseaheru on July 28, 2015, 09:35:47 am
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 28, 2015, 11:36:11 am
Post by: BigD145 on July 28, 2015, 02:46:11 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 28, 2015, 02:55:02 pm
Post by: ~Neri on July 28, 2015, 03:15:52 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 28, 2015, 03:23:08 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 28, 2015, 03:24:15 pm
Post by: Tawa on July 28, 2015, 03:39:46 pm
Prisons:
Back when I played on classic zombies, I just lived in prisons because of all the free water. Haven't been to one yet since I started doing normal.
Any tips on doing cold labs? I'm trying to get the Herrera journal, but I haven't found one yet and the only labs I have left to search in get too cold to survive in without wearing a sleeping bag under my clothes the moment I get to the second floor down.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 28, 2015, 03:40:44 pm
Post by: Tawa on July 28, 2015, 03:42:39 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 28, 2015, 03:51:19 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on July 28, 2015, 03:54:48 pm
Post by: Tawa on July 28, 2015, 04:04:38 pm
Tailor kitting everything with wool or fur may also help... Ah... Winter clothing, like the winter survivor suit?The installation was always screwy and I'm still playing 0.A, and the Winter Survivor Suit somehow does next to nothing in -20o temperatures.
Post by: gimlet on July 28, 2015, 04:05:08 pm
ED: Oh yeah, even in the current version Winter Survivor Suit is 75 warmth, that's just a drop in the bucket in real cold. Use every layer, I think I had multiple layers of the thermal electric stuff (pretty sure that was in 0.A) and it still wasn't enough in the lower lab.
Post by: Rince Wind on July 28, 2015, 04:25:00 pm
Post by: Tawa on July 28, 2015, 04:29:59 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 28, 2015, 04:33:42 pm
ED: Oh, I think it adds to Fatigue really quickly, or maybe it's the big mouth encumbrance, but I go to Dead-tired FAST. I'd hate to hang around too long and hit forced sleep...
Post by: Teneb on July 28, 2015, 04:35:44 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 28, 2015, 04:38:24 pm
Ed: Hmm or the stuff to build a wood stove, that's only 1 hr vs 2 for fireplace and a little lighter to haul out again.
Post by: Arcvasti on July 28, 2015, 05:49:51 pm
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 28, 2015, 07:39:11 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on July 28, 2015, 07:46:06 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 28, 2015, 08:09:47 pm
Post by: Tawa on July 28, 2015, 09:35:47 pm
Post by: Graknorke on July 29, 2015, 04:26:27 am
Post by: micelus on July 29, 2015, 04:36:52 am
Post by: Aseaheru on July 29, 2015, 05:20:20 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on July 29, 2015, 05:59:58 am
I'm still playing 0.Asomething something neanderthal something
Post by: Majestic7 on July 29, 2015, 07:05:41 am
Post by: scrdest on July 29, 2015, 07:26:17 am
Hey! Neanderthals were superior to sapiens! Sapiens just cheated by procreating like bunnies and camping! Fucking casuals...Agriculture OP, pls nerf.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 29, 2015, 10:19:45 am
Brazier leaves smoke though, which is not good. Especially inside because it just doesn't go away.
Eh... The one I installed in my mansion seems to function just fine. Just so long as you're not standing directly adjacent to it, you're not going to be bothered by the smoke too much. And even then, a filter mask completely negates any need to worry about that.
Post by: Urist McManiac on July 29, 2015, 02:02:36 pm
Post by: BigD145 on July 29, 2015, 02:54:47 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on July 29, 2015, 03:47:48 pm
The friendly NPCs are useful, but not necessarily much smarter. They can teach you skills and join you, but unless told otherwise, they tend to rush off into dangerous areas (read: the middle of a big city) and shoot everything in sight on full-auto, usually getting themselves killed. They also have the same problem with flamethrowers and self-immolation.
NPCs also tend to have a lot of combat skills. You don't quite realize how shockingly tough a living human is until you try to gun one down as they rush at you and stab you down with a bunch of knives tied around a broom handle.
Dynamic spawn makes these issues more noticeable because NPCs pretty much crawl out of the dirt. Seriously, sleep for a day or two and check the map and observe the half-dozen NPCs that suddenly showed up. With all this in mind, I actually do like playing with NPCs. Even if they make poor choices and are frustrating to exterminate at times, they add a surreal quality to the game that would otherwise be absent; there's nothing quite like a NPC shouting half a dozen curses in ten words at you then firing a tommy gun full-auto and missing every shot because of recoil. Hiring NPCs provides a degree of combat power that you otherwise couldn't get in the normal game, and make quite nice overwatch while you pick through buildings. Just don't let them see the loot, or else they might try to take it and play the "beat you there!" game.
warning: I haven't played the game in a month or so. Some info may be outdated.
Post by: jocan2003 on July 29, 2015, 03:52:57 pm
Pro-tip if you want to enjoy the quest line from the refugee center... DO NOT TURN wandering zombie on....
Post by: Tnx on July 29, 2015, 04:54:20 pm
Post by: Tawa on July 29, 2015, 05:12:18 pm
Brazier leaves smoke though, which is not good. Especially inside because it just doesn't go away.Which doesn't matter if you only do it in unimportant, enclosed rooms while wearing a gas mask, which I have.
Post by: Micro102 on July 29, 2015, 06:06:34 pm
Post by: i2amroy on July 29, 2015, 07:35:32 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 29, 2015, 07:37:12 pm
Post by: Micro102 on July 29, 2015, 09:22:20 pm
There's a discussion about possible ways to fix it going on in the forums right now, but no, it's not currently "fixed". It's one of those tricky problems that seems like it would have a good and easy solution to implement, but that in truth is much more complex than it appears, doubly so because things like LoS are performance intensive enough to require heuristic tweaks to be considered in their programming as well.
Somethings not right, because I don't remember this happening in the past. It should not be a matter of figuring out how to add proper line if sight, it should be a matter of undoing what caused this.
Post by: i2amroy on July 29, 2015, 09:31:22 pm
It's definitely not something "recent" though. :P
Post by: gimlet on July 29, 2015, 09:50:17 pm
(I don't even mean that to sound snarky, I feel for them. I do software and I know something like this is an absolute bastard to get correct over most let alone all the possible cases)
Post by: blazing glory on July 29, 2015, 10:06:29 pm
You have to be quick though, if you open the door, see a turret, close the door, switch to your gun, and then open the door again, it'll get a free shot at you, so keep your gun in hand when opening lab-room doors.
Post by: Majestic7 on July 30, 2015, 12:41:40 am
Post by: Arcvasti on July 30, 2015, 12:45:56 am
Is there even a good reason to tackle with lab turrets to begin with?
Lab Turrets guard the rooms with the consoles that update your map in a rather huge area, so there's considerable incentive to tackle at least one of them per lab. My preferred method is opening the door, tossing a grenade in and then closing the door again.
Post by: Majestic7 on July 30, 2015, 01:19:52 am
Post by: blazing glory on July 30, 2015, 01:44:46 am
Post by: gimlet on July 30, 2015, 01:55:47 am
On the weird side, I decided to experiment with musical instruments, so I have been walking around playing a harmonica (it only adds head encumbrance - and noise I'd presume). That worked so well I added a violin (have to wield it though). So I've been clearing out this lab playing a harmonica and violiln, the messages are a hoot "You produce a happy tune on your harmonica" followed by "You play a quick southern ditty on your fiddle". I think I can add an acoustic guitar too, I can be a 1 man band!
Oh and I forgot I was doing it so I've been bashing enemies to death with the violin - "huh why is this taking longer than usual. Ahh must be the damn torso encumbrance". I gotta get the guitar so I can be El Kabong!
Post by: Majestic7 on July 30, 2015, 02:01:27 am
Post by: gimlet on July 30, 2015, 02:24:12 am
Looks like playing multiples at once is OK and it only takes the highest speed penalty instead of adding 'em, I don't know if it's doing that for the morale stuff too. Damn, gonna have to swing by the music stores and try the others, I wanna see what the bagpipes do - they should kill by sound alone.
ED: Haha lost half an hour on http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InstrumentOfMurder :p
The James Bond movies had *two* separate bagpipe weapons. "In Casino Royale (1967), Ursula Andress uses the old machine-gun-in-the-bagpipes trick." and Q added a flamethrower to one in World is Not Enough.
Also samurai who became unemployed weaponized their flutes.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 30, 2015, 05:03:48 am
Post by: The13thRonin on July 30, 2015, 06:57:17 am
Just saying...
Post by: forsaken1111 on July 30, 2015, 07:50:15 am
If we had poop physics you could add an under-barrel grenade launcher to your poop.Are you 12 or..?
Just saying...
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on July 30, 2015, 08:01:03 am
Post by: Micro102 on July 30, 2015, 11:01:55 pm
Post by: Sindain on July 30, 2015, 11:14:54 pm
I feel your pain. Carnivore isn't that bad of a trait but pretty much every mutagen path has it so I get it almost every game. Occasionally I just decide I'm sick of never eating vegetables and just save edit it off my guy.
Post by: Micro102 on July 31, 2015, 02:43:26 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 31, 2015, 03:32:15 am
Post by: Sindain on July 31, 2015, 08:07:26 am
Well this is annoying. Found cattle serum, brought my saprovore all the way to herbavoire, so I took spider mutagen, which brought me back to carnivoire. I thought mutagen was only suppose to alter one trait. It's starting to seem that purifier is the only way.
Well the mutagen did alter one trait. There is no omnivore trait so herbivore and carnivore are directly next to each other in that mutagen chain.
Post by: SP2 on July 31, 2015, 01:04:54 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on July 31, 2015, 01:09:06 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 31, 2015, 02:09:48 pm
Post by: SP2 on July 31, 2015, 03:19:28 pm
I'll have a look for some Flatbed Trucks, hopefully there is a few nearby. Also, my mechanics is fairly high but I have a low fabrication so that could be why so I'll try to find some books on fabrication as well.
Post by: Darkmere on July 31, 2015, 03:46:02 pm
Post by: gimlet on July 31, 2015, 05:13:53 pm
Doesn't look like it needs a book.
Also shouldn't be tooo hard to grind fab up, even starting from 0 go fishing hooks -> shoulder straps -> querns -> carding paddles for example.
Post by: SP2 on July 31, 2015, 06:37:08 pm
Post by: Tawa on August 01, 2015, 07:41:41 pm
Post by: i2amroy on August 01, 2015, 07:43:40 pm
Post by: The13thRonin on August 01, 2015, 07:46:35 pm
I wouldn't say the AI months ago was 'working'... It functioned in the basic sense of the word but most people played with it set to off.
Post by: i2amroy on August 01, 2015, 07:58:27 pm
Post by: Tawa on August 01, 2015, 08:03:17 pm
.C is 31.5MB by the looks of it.Alright then, thanks.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 01, 2015, 08:44:37 pm
Post by: i2amroy on August 01, 2015, 08:51:30 pm
Hes probably talking about the NPCs, which are semi-functional still. Getting worked on, and not done yet.Personally they're good enough that I'd recommend turning on static's and leaving randoms off though. Some of those static NPC quests can be quite fun to do after all.
Post by: Gentlefish on August 01, 2015, 08:56:17 pm
Post by: Greiger on August 01, 2015, 09:49:20 pm
Besides some of the extra stuff you can do in the refugee center and such is giving one of your
Post by: Cheedows on August 01, 2015, 10:08:46 pm
I have static and random on, in the world I lowered random NPC spawn down to something like 0.1 or 0.2 Still get the very occasional NPC but haven't seen a new one in a ingame season. that seems like a nice balance between noone outside quest stuff and being buried under them.
That sounds really good actually, I haven't tried out the experimentals yet. Is the random scale factor part of experimentals or you had to dig a bit deeper? My main gripe with random NPCs as most have said is that the game becomes Cataclysm: DayZ Mod Ahead.
Post by: Greiger on August 01, 2015, 10:35:07 pm
Post by: Micro102 on August 02, 2015, 06:16:50 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 02, 2015, 07:43:01 am
I haven't tried out the experimentals yet.Honestly you should ONLY be playing the experimentals imo. They're much better than the stable releases in general.
Post by: BigD145 on August 02, 2015, 08:07:33 am
I haven't tried out the experimentals yet.Honestly you should ONLY be playing the experimentals imo. They're much better than the stable releases in general.
Better and more stable in many cases.
Post by: Descan on August 02, 2015, 12:00:16 pm
Post by: BigD145 on August 02, 2015, 12:14:21 pm
Honestly y'all should probably just rename it to "Latest" or something? Because a lot of people see "experimental" and think "buggy"
Technically it is buggy, but so is "stable".
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 02, 2015, 12:34:21 pm
Post by: The13thRonin on August 04, 2015, 05:59:26 am
I'm excited for more craftables in the future. Especially improved chemistry craftables.
One day you should be able to grow vegetables in the backyard, let them rot, put them into sterilized flasks and end up with penicillin.
Total pipe-dream but it'd be nice if the NPC AI did things like formed road conveys that attempted to trade with you for gas if they drove past or gangs that assaulted your base (if you have a base).
It'd be cool if you could find a spray-can and tag messages to walls as well (actually, can we already do that? That seems like a thing we might be able to do?)
More random threats would be nice because once you have an established base surviving is easy. Maybe there could be outside threats? Like a fire could start and spread? Or perhaps a nuclear reactor goes into meltdown and you need to venture out of your base to stop it. Something that either endangers a players base or forces them outside of it.
Something that would work very well with the NPC AI would be to have them form gangs/groups/communities and take 'territories' on the map. Each city might be divided up into several territories for example. The groups would patrol their territories, keep intruders out and also occasionally mount attacks on neighboring territories. When trading with groups you could even abstract their inventories based on what territories they controlled. Do they have a couple of gun shops? Well then they'll be well stocked on weapons... No bar for miles? Perhaps they'll spend big to buy some booze off you.
EDIT: Have they finally fixed the experimental tiles/graphical version so it can be worked again in CodeBlocks?
Post by: i2amroy on August 04, 2015, 08:39:29 pm
Honestly y'all should probably just rename it to "Latest" or something? Because a lot of people see "experimental" and think "buggy"As BigD145 noted, there's plenty of times that the experimental is buggy. Move fast and break things and all that (though we try to break as little as we need to :P).
Speaking of stable releases when will the next one arrive?Next time we all get together and say "it's time to do a new stable release". You'll get a couple of weeks warning as we shut down new features, then shut down string changes so that all the translators can catch up.
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Total pipe-dream but it'd be nice if the NPC AI did things like formed road conveys that attempted to trade with you for gas if they drove past or gangs that assaulted your base (if you have a base).Definitely on the "someday" list, though it's probably quite a ways off.
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It'd be cool if you could find a spray-can and tag messages to walls as well (actually, can we already do that? That seems like a thing we might be able to do?)Definite +1 from me if it's not in already. Should be fairly simple to do, though hypothetically you could end up with some small weirdness where things stenciled on the outside of the walls can also be read from the inside (since there's no "sides" to walls).
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More random threats would be nice because once you have an established base surviving is easy. Maybe there could be outside threats? Like a fire could start and spread? Or perhaps a nuclear reactor goes into meltdown and you need to venture out of your base to stop it. Something that either endangers a players base or forces them outside of it.The biggest competitor we've got for this right now is Hordes 2.0 (which we're currently getting backend pieces for into place, though it's still a ways off). Honestly though we're going to be looking at spreading factions more than disasters for a late game challenge though (since honestly there's not much the player is going to do in the event of a forest fire or nuclear meltdown). On the other hand you might be able to fight an encroaching triffid army, or work to burn out a nearby Mycus infestation, and so on. You might even end up pairing with one of the threats to help take out another in certain cases!
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Something that would work very well with the NPC AI would be to have them form gangs/groups/communities and take 'territories' on the map. Each city might be divided up into several territories for example. The groups would patrol their territories, keep intruders out and also occasionally mount attacks on neighboring territories. When trading with groups you could even abstract their inventories based on what territories they controlled. Do they have a couple of gun shops? Well then they'll be well stocked on weapons... No bar for miles? Perhaps they'll spend big to buy some booze off you.This is definitely planned, but it'll go beyond just NPC's. Triffids, Mycus, the zombies, military robot groups, Horrors, humans, the Mi-go... all of them should eventually be able to carve out and claim their own (sometimes big, sometimes little) areas, which will then develop in different ways as time goes on. You can then get all sorts of interesting conflicts where the territories meet, and it'll lead to a more "patchwork" feel to the whole world as well as definite changes should the player end up throwing in with one particular group or another to help them expand their territory.
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EDIT: Have they finally fixed the experimental tiles/graphical version so it can be worked again in CodeBlocks?Honestly it's probably not going to happen unless someone who desires it cracks down and figures out exactly how to do it. Almost all of the developers use the ASCII versions, and I don't think there are any right now that use graphics and are developing on Code::Blocks as opposed to on something else. No developer demand for it = it doesn't happen in most cases, so you'll probably need to either figure it out yourself or convince someone else that they want to do it. As for now the ASCII version does compile just fine on Code::Blocks, so if you want to develop something that isn't directly related to tiles that should allow you to do so.
Post by: Gentlefish on August 04, 2015, 08:50:04 pm
Post by: i2amroy on August 04, 2015, 10:08:19 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on August 09, 2015, 03:34:31 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 09, 2015, 05:47:23 am
Post by: kilakan on August 09, 2015, 07:07:56 am
Then again... my current game already kinda feels that way since I;ve spent probably two in game weeks attempting to find a full battery or some solar panels to repair my solar car.
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 09, 2015, 08:17:30 am
Post by: Gamerlord on August 09, 2015, 08:21:05 am
Post by: BigD145 on August 09, 2015, 09:16:10 am
Okay, can someone please deal nerf zombie grenadier's death explosion thing? Every time I raid a military base there is nothing to take because the turrets have killed multiple grenadier's and the explosions destroy all the loot.
Perhaps lure out the grenadiers?
Post by: Aseaheru on August 09, 2015, 10:09:15 am
Post by: BigD145 on August 09, 2015, 10:10:05 am
Post by: ShinQuickMan on August 09, 2015, 12:00:22 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on August 09, 2015, 12:08:58 pm
Post by: azmodean on August 09, 2015, 04:11:05 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on August 09, 2015, 04:15:30 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 09, 2015, 04:34:23 pm
Post by: azmodean on August 09, 2015, 05:28:16 pm
Maybe have all robots check an individual's inventory for IDs before opening fire. Presumably, all the zombies would still be wearing their ID badges, and I'd imagine any half-decent future robot would have a multitude of methods of IFF, probably including RFID and visual recognition of ID badges at least.What do you think killed the people working there?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 09, 2015, 05:46:51 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on August 10, 2015, 12:16:23 am
Wouldn't RFID be implanted in this brave new future world? I've been wondering about that; it would be nice if we could manipulate robotic enemies like that. You know, hack police mainframe in a police station to add your face to a database, then insert an ID chip and voila, make copbots friendly etc.
Post by: gimlet on August 10, 2015, 12:35:57 am
Post by: i2amroy on August 10, 2015, 08:33:53 pm
For things like the grenadiers the bombs should recognize that they are attempting to be used to destroy military property, and refuse to detonate on their own, though otherwise they should function identical to the zombie, since they are taking their IFF readings from the grenadier's still functional control implant.
Riot bots and cop zombies should have a similar thing (though not copbots, since they are just in a simple "destroy all humans" mode).
As for why it doesn't apply to the player carrying around id badges, it should be because said id isn't actually registered to them. The only times that it should matter whether or not the player is carrying an id card/badge is if the player started as a cop/scientist/military profession, in which case they should hypothetically be able to interact with said robots without necessarily being targeted.
Post by: Majestic7 on August 11, 2015, 12:36:22 am
Post by: i2amroy on August 11, 2015, 06:15:47 am
Give us new way to interact with mainframes by letting us hack into the system and add ourselves to the databases then. :)Someday. :P
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 11, 2015, 03:19:24 pm
E: And since it can be worn...
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You lie down to go to sleep...
You fall asleep.
You use your saxophone to keep warm.
Post by: gimlet on August 11, 2015, 04:09:46 pm
You can play (at least) 3 instruments at once too, 1 held in weapon slot, 1 (or more maybe? Never actually tried) on torso, and the awesome harmonica on the head. Doesn't actually seem to make any difference in the volume or happiness, but I just love the image of my 1 man band slaughtering it's way through town. Also I often forget to wield a weapon, and end up killing stuff with my flute....
Post by: n9103 on August 11, 2015, 09:18:49 pm
Watch as it gracefully fiddles through the fields and plays through the plaza.
Oh, it's spotted one of the local wildunlife.
Observe how carefree it seems as it swings its chosen instrument of combat.
:P
Post by: azmodean on August 11, 2015, 11:44:14 pm
Post by: n9103 on August 12, 2015, 07:50:23 am
Post by: ZeroGravitas on August 12, 2015, 11:52:07 am
Post by: Descan on August 12, 2015, 12:05:50 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on August 12, 2015, 03:11:49 pm
...Is it just me or are motels one of the greatest places to set up?
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 12, 2015, 07:53:57 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 12, 2015, 08:11:04 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 13, 2015, 04:28:02 pm
Post by: i2amroy on August 13, 2015, 04:32:19 pm
Post by: Mech#4 on August 13, 2015, 10:22:52 pm
Anyway,
It could be various levels of mutations or implants. Level 1 gives you basic control, and doesn't always work, over the plain zombies. Level 2 gives you better control over plain zombies and slight control over some special types. So on until you can control all types or possibly it reaches a point where you can control plain ones perfectly but brutes and such are still hit and miss.
Controlling, as in Stubbs, would be more like suggestions. You push them in the right direction or can whistle to call them over but they hunt down your enemies automatically.
The system would be a bit more enjoyable if Cataclysm had more NPCs, unless it does now. I admit it's been a while since I've played. Though fights against fungoid patches and so on could be fun.
Post by: Descan on August 14, 2015, 12:04:16 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 14, 2015, 11:27:36 am
Post by: gimlet on August 14, 2015, 11:47:25 am
To fire automatically #1 *don't*, I think it can still shoot you or parts of the vehicle as it tries to aim at targets, even though it will *try* not to shoot you. Also I think I heard the prebuilt vehicles turrets might not work? So if this doesn't work try removing then reinstalling the turret. Anyway, from the vehicle control menu make sure the turret is online through "x Configure Turrets" 1 is 1 shot, B burst m manual 1 shot M manual burst. Then set t Enable Turrets. Then they should fire automatically. REALLY recommend not doing this for grenade launchers.
To fire manually through the vehicle control menu, configure turret to m or M, then w to "aim turrets manually".
This is in a recent experimental, dunno if/how it works in the stable.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 14, 2015, 11:56:09 am
Post by: guessingo on August 16, 2015, 01:34:25 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on August 16, 2015, 01:43:36 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 16, 2015, 02:46:02 pm
Post by: blazing glory on August 16, 2015, 07:07:37 pm
Don't do drugs kids, or at least be aware of how many drugs you're doing.
Post by: Glacies on August 16, 2015, 09:23:02 pm
Welp.
I crawled up the motel stairs and laid out my rollmat, dropped unnecessary stuff and broke apart furniture until I had the materials necessary to craft myself a splint. However, I needed at least two long strings. Making those required thread and foolishly enough the only easy thread in reach was the kind I laboriously made myself by disassembling rags. So that took quite a while and I got hungry and thirsty. Fortunately, there were a couple vending machines with a weeks worth of hydration in them. Unfortunately, there was nary a bag of potato chips to be found and man is not sustained on vitamins alone. Fortunately, there was a swamp teeming with wildlife and forageables nearby. Unfortunately, there was a swamp teeming with giant mutated aggressive wildlife nearby. I opted for crawling out there after dark so as to avoid notice. This worked well and I found several eggs and berries (can't eat vegetables, worse luck!) but, as I was crawling along in the pitch dark, apparently I accidentally crawled over a beaver lodge or something, because I startled the bejeezus out of a beaver who proceeded to claw at my face.
So there I am, both my legs broken, crawling along on my belly, pulling myself along with my arms, in a miserable bog, soaking wet at two in the morning being viciously savaged by a beaver.
I love this game.
I boiled and ate the beaver's stomach.
Post by: Majestic7 on August 17, 2015, 01:05:37 am
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This sounds so much like my childhood.
Any chance for some sort of fast travel through roads you've already cleared? Any potential hazard would naturally snap you out of it.
Post by: gimlet on August 17, 2015, 02:31:41 am
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Post by: azmodean on August 18, 2015, 01:24:11 am
Any chance for some sort of fast travel through roads you've already cleared? Any potential hazard would naturally snap you out of it.Yea, it's not super simple, but it's possible.
Post by: Majestic7 on August 18, 2015, 04:34:54 am
I'll throw five minutes of worship, together with menacing waving of a sacrificial dagger, to whoever makes that happen in the future.
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Post by: gimlet on August 18, 2015, 11:01:31 am
Post by: Kot on August 18, 2015, 11:08:14 am
Vehicle do allow you to travel fast if not fast travel though. You should give them a try.If having a car faster than speed of light isin't fast travel, nothing is.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 18, 2015, 11:26:49 am
Post by: Sindain on August 18, 2015, 11:44:47 am
I was just defending a refugee center from a wandering horde. The Arsonist had the brilliant idea of tossing dynamite right at the zombies coming in the front door. Cue him killing himself and almost killing me along with all the other guards at the front.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 18, 2015, 11:56:57 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on August 19, 2015, 01:27:39 am
Post by: Dorfs R Fun on August 19, 2015, 02:05:06 pm
Character two is doing well trying to clear out a 10x classic zombie spawn town. Zigging and zagging and oops, pulled that pin on a grenade by accident - death by fire. Character three lights a bush on fire to help kill a zombie soldier and checks the loot under the burning bush. Dynamite - death by fire.
All in a good days work in Cata.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 20, 2015, 05:00:17 pm
Sounds like an ideal succession game!
Anyone interested? I'd suggest each player plays either 4 days or until death, and people who just want to be involved but not play can create characters. More characters = more fun.
Fun goals would be re-unification of the characters that started at different places, setting up a spawn point where starting characters can skill up with books, mapping the world as known by the characters, and maybe building something. I usually play my games as a collective of characters rather than individuals, so it would be nice to have other "brains" in the collective.
Post by: Orange Wizard on August 20, 2015, 05:19:52 pm
Post by: gimlet on August 20, 2015, 06:07:48 pm
But then I like to start new worlds with each character, so there's no possibility I'll run across an old char's gear or looted area.
Post by: azmodean on August 20, 2015, 09:47:33 pm
Post by: duckman on August 20, 2015, 10:36:08 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 21, 2015, 12:11:03 am
*activates adrenaline pump to prepare for a quick escape*
*stats all immediately turn red and speed goes down by ten because instant adrenaline comedown*
Unless this was fixed today, somebody has some splainin' to do.
Post by: gimlet on August 21, 2015, 01:54:08 am
So is there any way to remove the spent casings from a revolver if you don't have any ammo of that type left? It's kind of hard to make more when you're short by exactly the number of casings that have been inexplicably fused to the chambers.Unload doesn't work?
Post by: duckman on August 21, 2015, 02:43:42 am
Nothing I've tried has worked. Unload, reload, melting the thing in a pool of acid with debug, burning it, running it over with a road roller.So is there any way to remove the spent casings from a revolver if you don't have any ammo of that type left? It's kind of hard to make more when you're short by exactly the number of casings that have been inexplicably fused to the chambers.Unload doesn't work?
I'm guessing it's just an oversight from when they changed the way that revolvers eject casings.
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 21, 2015, 02:56:22 am
So is there any way to remove the spent casings from a revolver if you don't have any ammo of that type left? It's kind of hard to make more when you're short by exactly the number of casings that have been inexplicably fused to the chambers.Shift+U for an object you're holding, or the (U)nload option in inventory removes as many charges as possible from an object. Charges can be ammunition, batteries, liquids, or anything, really, that can be contained inside another object.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 21, 2015, 03:29:04 am
The problem is that there's nothing contained. The ammo is gone, and the revolver has a special function that ejects the spent casing only when a new round is loaded.So is there any way to remove the spent casings from a revolver if you don't have any ammo of that type left? It's kind of hard to make more when you're short by exactly the number of casings that have been inexplicably fused to the chambers.Shift+U for an object you're holding, or the (U)nload option in inventory removes as many charges as possible from an object. Charges can be ammunition, batteries, liquids, or anything, really, that can be contained inside another object.
I just tried, there indeed doesn't seem to be a way to extract spent casings from a revolver, whether by Unloading, Activating, or whatever other means except Reloading when there is more ammo to be loaded. With no more ammo, the spent casings are stuck in the gun.
Post by: Kruniac on August 21, 2015, 06:31:19 am
The problem is that there's nothing contained. The ammo is gone, and the revolver has a special function that ejects the spent casing only when a new round is loaded.So is there any way to remove the spent casings from a revolver if you don't have any ammo of that type left? It's kind of hard to make more when you're short by exactly the number of casings that have been inexplicably fused to the chambers.Shift+U for an object you're holding, or the (U)nload option in inventory removes as many charges as possible from an object. Charges can be ammunition, batteries, liquids, or anything, really, that can be contained inside another object.
I just tried, there indeed doesn't seem to be a way to extract spent casings from a revolver, whether by Unloading, Activating, or whatever other means except Reloading when there is more ammo to be loaded. With no more ammo, the spent casings are stuck in the gun.
Code it and put it on the repo. I'd like to have that fixed. :)
Post by: gimlet on August 21, 2015, 06:39:07 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 21, 2015, 11:36:43 am
If I weren't on such a limited data plan right now, I just might have. It sounds like a relatively simple fix, in principle, the revolvers just need a special clause to the Unload action, so that any spent casings are ejected regardless of whether there is any ammo.The problem is that there's nothing contained. The ammo is gone, and the revolver has a special function that ejects the spent casing only when a new round is loaded.So is there any way to remove the spent casings from a revolver if you don't have any ammo of that type left? It's kind of hard to make more when you're short by exactly the number of casings that have been inexplicably fused to the chambers.Shift+U for an object you're holding, or the (U)nload option in inventory removes as many charges as possible from an object. Charges can be ammunition, batteries, liquids, or anything, really, that can be contained inside another object.
I just tried, there indeed doesn't seem to be a way to extract spent casings from a revolver, whether by Unloading, Activating, or whatever other means except Reloading when there is more ammo to be loaded. With no more ammo, the spent casings are stuck in the gun.
Code it and put it on the repo. I'd like to have that fixed. :)
Post by: Rince Wind on August 21, 2015, 01:54:19 pm
Post by: gimlet on August 21, 2015, 03:09:45 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 21, 2015, 07:44:21 pm
Maybe make a SIMPLE tag for crafting recipes for grossly easy stuff that you could even manage in pitch black? I mean, I'm pretty sure even a blind person could manage rinsing a towel off in a pool.
Also, are Shocker brutes supposed to be able to slam you when they're four tiles away? Are they charge tackling you or something?
Post by: gimlet on August 21, 2015, 10:22:34 pm
Post by: i2amroy on August 22, 2015, 12:28:14 am
Is bionic night vision intended to not allow crafting? Just tried washing a towel at night, but I use implanted night vision instead of a flashlight.There's a bit of placeholder code in place for some of that stuff. The eventual goal is to make it a bit more realistic but have most forms of night vision fail in absolute darkness to account for the total absence of light. A flag for crafting things that don't necessarily need sight might be a good idea, though it would probably come with a hefty time penalty in pitch blackness.
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Also, are Shocker brutes supposed to be able to slam you when they're four tiles away? Are they charge tackling you or something?
Or if it shocked you first...Probably this. My guess is that it zapped you, then ran up and slammed you. Alternatively I know we had a few problems for a little while with specials being used beyond their intended range, so if you are using an older experimental that might have been the problem.
Post by: BigD145 on August 22, 2015, 01:50:23 am
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Post by: jocan2003 on August 22, 2015, 11:17:09 am
There was also a deaf guy who died at 21 i think? who was using the same principale as bat, using echo-location. WIth the right trainning you can train your brain to decode any kind of information.
Post by: BigD145 on August 22, 2015, 11:55:34 am
Post by: i2amroy on August 22, 2015, 12:59:50 pm
There was also a deaf guy who died at 21 i think? who was using the same principale as bat, using echo-location. WIth the right trainning you can train your brain to decode any kind of information.I'm assuming you mean blind. :P
That said this isn't exactly a "pick it up in a week" type of thing. We're talking years of study to become proficient at it. Additionally the one place that teaches that type of location (World Access for the Blind, which was started by that 21 year old guy) has noted that because the system utilizes part of your visual cortex to help with the mapping process, and your visual cortex tends to default to visual stimulus, in many cases it simply isn't possible to work on developing such a skill while you are having any visual input happening. To quote them:
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However, since the imaging system tends to default to visual input, it may be necessary, and we have often found it so, to isolate some or all of the nonvisual skills and perceptual training from visual input. We call it "isolate, then integrate." FlashSonar is one but only one very good example of when a perceptual process really needs to be isolated from visual input in order to give it any chance of developing. Students simply do not develop FlashSonar or many other skills when you have the visual system grabbing at visual information, often erroneously, thereby usurping, short circuiting, disrupting, or whatever, the development of other areas of integrated perception. It may and often does become prudent to to offer experiences of visual occlusion during portions of the perceptual training. These spans of visual occlusion may provide opportunities for nonvisual perceptual capacities to take hold and grow, where they might otherwise not.So not only are you going to need to spend months to start developing the skill (years to become proficient), you're going to need to spend a significant portion of that time either blindfolded, with your eyes closed, or in pitch blackness. It's the type of skill that if it existed you'd either get through picking it up through a profession (that would probably make you blind/have bad vision as well) or that you would get through a mutation rewriting your brain, not something a survivor would learn over the course of a game.
Post by: kilakan on August 22, 2015, 01:01:21 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on August 22, 2015, 01:04:39 pm
I was going to make a witty post about an arrow that'd pop out of your arm to show you the sun :P
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 22, 2015, 01:31:58 pm
That said this isn't exactly a "pick it up in a week" type of thing.Considering that such fields as martial arts, driving, chemistry, gunsmithing, cybernetics and many others are exactly that sort of thing in-game, your logic doesn't hold very well.
Post by: BigD145 on August 22, 2015, 01:43:49 pm
That said this isn't exactly a "pick it up in a week" type of thing.Considering that such fields as martial arts, driving, chemistry, gunsmithing, cybernetics and many others are exactly that sort of thing in-game, your logic doesn't hold very well.
Driving takes years to build up in-game. Honestly the rate at which you level driving versus martial arts should probably be switched.
Post by: i2amroy on August 22, 2015, 02:22:32 pm
I'll give you martial arts, and honestly I'd eventually like to take it to a stage where you basically need an NPC to teach you at a decent rate, with book-learning being limited to heavily penalized speeds and low caps on the amount of skill. (Though ideally if you know a handful of other martial arts it should lessen the penalty because you'd be better at catching your own mistakes and extrapolating from them).That said this isn't exactly a "pick it up in a week" type of thing.Considering that such fields as martial arts, driving, chemistry, gunsmithing, cybernetics and many others are exactly that sort of thing in-game, your logic doesn't hold very well.
Driving honestly you can pick up the basics in a couple of hours, and a vast majority in a couple of days (assuming automatic transmission, which current trends say that probably all of our cars in C:DDA are going to be unless specifically otherwise). After that becoming proficient is more a matter of encountering more emergency situations for you to deal with than any matter of practice. :P
Cybernetics a lot of the backend is done already by the bionic itself, but there are definitely plans to require you to either have a helper machine or otherwise make the process a bit more complex then "push against skin, press button".
As for the others it's more a gameyness thing, though I do have some eventual plans to slow down/rebalance progression somewhat, partially by further splits of recipe and skill knowledge. Even at low skills if I have a book that tells me exactly what to do I'm probably going to be able to pull off things that are well above my normal skill level, while without one I'm not going to be able to do much.
Mainly it's a matter of how easy it is to pick up a skill in the first place, with many things (such as chemistry or driving) being below what I would personally consider the "normal" skill threshold while others (such as echolocation sight) being above it. There's a reason why we don't often hear stories of people echolocating after all. :P
Post by: Kaitol on August 22, 2015, 02:33:51 pm
Post by: kilakan on August 22, 2015, 02:41:58 pm
Post by: BigD145 on August 22, 2015, 03:53:30 pm
Driving honestly you can pick up the basics in a couple of hours, and a vast majority in a couple of days (assuming automatic transmission, which current trends say that probably all of our cars in C:DDA are going to be unless specifically otherwise). After that becoming proficient is more a matter of encountering more emergency situations for you to deal with than any matter of practice. :P
My character fumbles with the controls for weeks.
Post by: Rince Wind on August 22, 2015, 04:52:09 pm
For the idea of combat skills training quickly, I always just kinda looked at it for a scenario of life-or-death based on learning. Sure most people hitting a punching bag, or sparring with another human might take years to become an amazing unarmed combatant... when you are fighting for literally hours a day with zombies intent on eating your sweet human flesh... I'd imagine you'd learn how to fight very very quickly.
In reality the first thing you'd learn would probably be: Use a weapon, anything really, don't just punch and kick them. Least of all, a weapon gives you some reach.
Post by: Darkmere on August 22, 2015, 05:50:47 pm
My character fumbles with the controls for weeks.
You get skillups for actually manipulating the car. Turning left or right will advance the game timer 1 tick. Ergo: drive by pressing adadadadadadadadadadadadadad for a few days and you'll get driving to 4 quickly.
Post by: Kaitol on August 22, 2015, 11:00:14 pm
*finds a dozen 155mm HEAT anti-tank shells inside*
*stares at my screen in longing, but am currently surrounded by unaware zombies with no armor and a combat knife*
Post by: Dorfs R Fun on August 22, 2015, 11:53:18 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 23, 2015, 12:40:58 am
I don't believe the moon gets quite THAT bright old chaps.
Post by: Kot on August 23, 2015, 01:06:32 am
Post by: n9103 on August 23, 2015, 08:25:27 am
1) the SPG isn't in drive-able condition
2) 12 rounds of anything short of a mininuke isn't enough to pull off a stationary defense against the mobs that you'll aggro with the first shot.
If I'm mistaken about #1 though, by all means haul ass out of town and then work from the outside in, or hold it for the inevitable horde passing.
Or, just salvage the HEAT rounds for what I imagine should be a heck of a lot of gunpowder/propellant.
(Never done this in-game, but it's basically reasonable, given that we're assuming a SPG isn't using separate propellant charges.)
Post by: blazing glory on August 23, 2015, 09:31:48 am
I'm fairly sure that 12 shells is more then enough to make a hole and escape, unless it's an actual zombie horde, he didn't really mention if it's a horde or not.
Post by: Kaitol on August 23, 2015, 03:30:00 pm
There was enough diesel fuel in its storage to drive it out though, and it was relatively intact. I marked it on my map.
Post by: Rince Wind on August 23, 2015, 04:47:38 pm
Post by: i2amroy on August 23, 2015, 04:48:18 pm
2500 nails he wants. 2500 nails...and the three hardware stores in the two closest towns had exactly zerohundred nails. Then my computer turned off, and I am not sure when I last saved.And that is exactly why autosave is your friend. :P
Post by: Rince Wind on August 23, 2015, 04:52:41 pm
Anyway, not the games fault.
Post by: Kaitol on August 23, 2015, 05:37:25 pm
Also, apparently you can't wield a hunting knife with only one arm. Which also didn't help. *coughs*
Goddamn was that character a monster though. Took a couple dozen zombies like a hundred turns to chip her down. In a bikini. If literally everything hadn't gone wrong she'd have been fine. Still killed almost everything with fire.
Post by: n9103 on August 23, 2015, 07:06:48 pm
Post by: Micro102 on August 24, 2015, 06:04:35 am
2500 nails he wants. 2500 nails...and the three hardware stores in the two closest towns had exactly zerohundred nails. Then my computer turned off, and I am not sure when I last saved.
Can't help with the computer but nails are easy. find a multi tile building like a school or office tower and burn it down. Add nails to auto pickup and walk over the rubble. Having a shovel helps.
It's your friend until it autosaves just as zombie predators and a hulk jump at you from the darkness... The best thing to do is save before sleeping. At worst you will lose a day of progress.2500 nails he wants. 2500 nails...and the three hardware stores in the two closest towns had exactly zerohundred nails. Then my computer turned off, and I am not sure when I last saved.And that is exactly why autosave is your friend. :P
Post by: scrdest on August 24, 2015, 06:23:49 am
Post by: Sindain on August 24, 2015, 06:26:06 am
It's your friend until it autosaves just as zombie predators and a hulk jump at you from the darkness... The best thing to do is save before sleeping. At worst you will lose a day of progress.2500 nails he wants. 2500 nails...and the three hardware stores in the two closest towns had exactly zerohundred nails. Then my computer turned off, and I am not sure when I last saved.And that is exactly why autosave is your friend. :P
What, are you implying that we are dirty dirty SAVE SCUMMERS?!
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 24, 2015, 06:50:08 am
Post by: Rince Wind on August 24, 2015, 08:20:50 am
And thanks for the recommendation with the nails. There is an office building somewhere around.
Post by: Akura on August 24, 2015, 10:25:06 am
2500 nails he wants. 2500 nails...and the three hardware stores in the two closest towns had exactly zerohundred nails.
Well, if you've access to the right tools(anvil, hammer, forge, swage and die set), and can fabricate nails by the hundred. Does take a while though. It's be faster to smash up every single house in town.
Post by: Gentlefish on August 24, 2015, 02:03:22 pm
Post by: gimlet on August 24, 2015, 02:06:41 pm
Post by: BigD145 on August 24, 2015, 03:47:00 pm
It'll take more time, but you can rip the nails out of furniture before you set the building on fire - as far as I'm aware, burning furniture will not yield any nails.
Collapsing a mall should yield many nails.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 24, 2015, 05:49:42 pm
Isn't overlapping characters really buggy though? Unless you want everyone to kill themselves four days in or somesuch
I've never encountered any problems, but I only play on one computer.
Post by: DreamThorn on August 25, 2015, 04:51:24 am
QuoteAlso, are Shocker brutes supposed to be able to slam you when they're four tiles away? Are they charge tackling you or something?Or if it shocked you first...Probably this. My guess is that it zapped you, then ran up and slammed you. Alternatively I know we had a few problems for a little while with specials being used beyond their intended range, so if you are using an older experimental that might have been the problem.
That would explain me losing a character to an ordinary brute... A bigger gun could have saved me, though. I had one of those tiny pistols that take up only 2 volume units. Next character will have something at least big enough to need a holster.
Talking of cool characters dying...
I once had a character in full plate armour, a Barbute helm, wielding a Zweihander, and using roller skates. She could easily take out any amount of zombies (this was before stamina), but she forgot to check for shocker brutes. 8)
Post by: blazing glory on August 25, 2015, 04:54:02 am
I once had a character in full plate armour, a Barbute helm, wielding a Zweihander, and using roller skates. She could easily take out any amount of zombies (this was before stamina), but she forgot to check for shocker brutes. 8)I imagine that full plate didn't help her there.
Post by: Graknorke on August 25, 2015, 05:37:20 am
Post by: Kot on August 25, 2015, 05:43:47 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 25, 2015, 10:12:13 am
Shouldn't full plate conduct the electricity around rather than through you?
Full plate probably wouldn't work that well for that. In a lot of cases, the metal plates aren't hard-connected to one another, so there's plenty of room for gaps and such that would prevent the armor from taking the blow for you.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 25, 2015, 10:15:44 am
Faraday cage armor when?I think there is a Faraday shark suit in the game, atleast in the experimentals.
Post by: Kot on August 25, 2015, 10:33:29 am
Yep. (http://cdda-trunk.estilofusion.com/shark_suit_faraday)Faraday cage armor when?I think there is a Faraday shark suit in the game, atleast in the experimentals.
I still want to see Faraday cage medieval knight armor. Bonus points for Tesla coil sword or something.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 25, 2015, 10:38:04 am
Post by: Aseaheru on August 25, 2015, 11:12:22 am
Post by: i2amroy on August 25, 2015, 03:57:30 pm
I don't know if this has been answered elsewhere, but how does the 'monster half-life scaling factor' thing work? Does increasing the number mean that it takes more time for the monsters to level up, or does it mean that it happens faster?Badly, and right now it's got a bit of a problem where we've got two chunks of code being pushed in opposite directions. We're working on getting a fix up (it should still work fine if set to "1", or if you are playing the stable version).
Post by: Rince Wind on August 25, 2015, 04:15:16 pm
Post by: gimlet on August 25, 2015, 04:48:26 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 25, 2015, 05:03:18 pm
As for the scaling thing, would turning it off work, too? Or is that also bugged? Just making sure before I brick my computer with a stack overflow of stack overflows.
Post by: i2amroy on August 25, 2015, 05:13:46 pm
Post by: Kaitol on August 25, 2015, 06:08:07 pm
*spawns in the house my last character was holed up in before death, goes to the bathroom, takes antibiotic*
Well... uhhh.... that's... convenient.
(On a side note, why does EVERYTHING make my character deaf? Within a map tile or two of a burning building? Deaf. Zombies smash up a house nearby? Deaf? Near two handgun shots? Deaf. I swear my characters spend more time deaf then not. Mind you, my experimental version is probably nearly a week old at this point.)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 25, 2015, 08:10:36 pm
Also, I've made two extra mods to get rid of some of the stuff from the Nether and the Abberations, but I don't know how to get rid of all the Triffid stuff, like groves and such. If someone could do that, or at least point me in the right direction, I'd really love it.
Post by: i2amroy on August 25, 2015, 08:33:15 pm
(On a side note, why does EVERYTHING make my character deaf? Within a map tile or two of a burning building? Deaf. Zombies smash up a house nearby? Deaf? Near two handgun shots? Deaf. I swear my characters spend more time deaf then not. Mind you, my experimental version is probably nearly a week old at this point.)Houses collapsing is way too loud right now. On the other hand think of deafness more as a scale all of the way from "slight ringing in your ears" to "total deafness" instead of just flat out "deaf or not". As such it's totally possible to be partially "deaf" without being totally unable to hear.
As for handguns? Many of them are loud in real life. There is a reason why people often wear ear protection when they go out shooting. :P
Post by: blazing glory on August 25, 2015, 09:54:46 pm
Post by: n9103 on August 25, 2015, 10:21:45 pm
As for handguns? Many of them are loud in real life. There is a reason why people often wear ear protection when they go out shooting. :PSomehow, I always end up next to the jackass shooting .44Mag on an indoor range.
Even with plugs and muffs it's quite unpleasant.
Post by: heydude6 on August 25, 2015, 11:09:23 pm
I'm absolutely clueless about how I'm supposed to carry a passable amount of stuff or stay warm without getting myself rendered useless in melee encounters.
Post by: Sindain on August 25, 2015, 11:16:56 pm
Hey guys, can you give me some advice on how to deal with encumbrance? All of the good carrying clothing (backpacks, trechcoats, etc.) all have an encumbrance value of 2 or more which can severely cripple a character.
I'm absolutely clueless about how I'm supposed to carry a passable amount of stuff or stay warm without getting myself rendered useless in melee encounters.
Well for one, you just have to tank a bit of encumbrance. If you can stay below 3/30 torso encumbrance you're doing pretty good. Though its best to stay a bit lower early in the game when your melee skills are shit (investing a couple creation points into skills can help a lot).
For two, shopping carts. Shopping carts are love, shopping carts are life. Cars are also a acceptable alternative but require more setup.
For three, the survivor gear (starts being available around 5 tailoring and/or fabrication) has great encumbrance to carrying volume ratios along with excellent armor and good warmth.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 25, 2015, 11:21:14 pm
Also, if you're still using the old single-digit encumbrance system, you might want to update to a later version. In a lot of cases, encumbrance is lower now than it was.
Post by: Kaitol on August 25, 2015, 11:22:02 pm
Post by: n9103 on August 26, 2015, 07:39:39 am
If you're in a situation that you can't really drop it and pick it up afterwards, then you probably should be running, not fighting.
Post by: Ivefan on August 26, 2015, 10:09:55 am
Best advice I have is to drop your pack before you start a fight.Unless something changed rather recent, wouldn't that just mean that you drop everything in a stack on the ground and have to pick up every item separately afterwards?
If you're in a situation that you can't really drop it and pick it up afterwards, then you probably should be running, not fighting.
Post by: n9103 on August 26, 2015, 11:06:43 am
Dropping the largest items first is preferable since the pickup system seems to base time passing on a per item basis, not weight/volume. Makes picking up faster/easier since that's less to pick up. (Perhaps it is, but the effect is insignificant.)
Just reinforces my stance that if you can't afford to pick them back up, you shouldn't be sticking around to fight.
E: As was mentioned earlier though, this precaution is mostly inapplicable once you get to the point that you're engaging with firearms only.
Post by: Ivefan on August 26, 2015, 11:40:03 am
So a shopping cart and low encumberance until ones skills can compensate i would say.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on August 26, 2015, 11:53:18 am
Post by: i2amroy on August 26, 2015, 02:23:31 pm
I meant that you also drop items that would put you over your non-pack volume, but yes, in stable the items aren't tracked to a container.Important note. If you drop a container (like say a backpack) then it will allow you to drop an amount of items equal to the volume at the same time for free. I don't think it applies to picking up, but it will let you drop your backpack and "everything in it" with just a single drop action instead of taking a minute or more.
Dropping the largest items first is preferable since the pickup system seems to base time passing on a per item basis, not weight/volume. Makes picking up faster/easier since that's less to pick up. (Perhaps it is, but the effect is insignificant.)
Just reinforces my stance that if you can't afford to pick them back up, you shouldn't be sticking around to fight.
E: As was mentioned earlier though, this precaution is mostly inapplicable once you get to the point that you're engaging with firearms only.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 26, 2015, 03:58:22 pm
Hey guys, can you give me some advice on how to deal with encumbrance? All of the good carrying clothing (backpacks, trechcoats, etc.) all have an encumbrance value of 2 or more which can severely cripple a character.
I'm absolutely clueless about how I'm supposed to carry a passable amount of stuff or stay warm without getting myself rendered useless in melee encounters.
Well for one, you just have to tank a bit of encumbrance. If you can stay below 3/30 torso encumbrance you're doing pretty good. Though its best to stay a bit lower early in the game when your melee skills are shit (investing a couple creation points into skills can help a lot).
For two, shopping carts. Shopping carts are love, shopping carts are life. Cars are also a acceptable alternative but require more setup.
For three, the survivor gear (starts being available around 5 tailoring and/or fabrication) has great encumbrance to carrying volume ratios along with excellent armor and good warmth.
Just using "fitted" items reduces encumbrance of each item by 1. Craft a needle, make some thread, and grind till you can improve those clothes! Not sure if the "strapped" items can be fitted, but a fitted trenchcoat is awesome.
Post by: Kaitol on August 26, 2015, 07:26:26 pm
(Why is ornamental plate armor some of the best protection in the game when its not even meant to be worn and isn't classed as armor?)
Post by: gimlet on August 26, 2015, 07:38:12 pm
As your skills go up you can accept a bit more encumbrance, and as your tailoring/fabrication skill goes up you can make better items - drop leg pouches, tool belts, chest rigs, etc and then the survivor gear gives you more and more. And as you find new storage gear, try out various combos to maximize storage vs encumb.
Or come over to the experimental versions, the layering penalties have been radically changed. I have 146 storage with only 27 torso/16 leg encumbrance (equivalent to "2" and "1" in 0.C) and I haven't even crafted the survivor gear yet. 2 survivor running packs on top of that will only bring it up to 38 ("3") but I'll have 196 storage, and that's with a couple of canteens on the belt and a slung rifle.
Edit: Oh yeah, and agree STRONGLY with the shopping cart - you will love the extra storage, there are wheelbarrows and luggage carts in various places too with even more storage, and when you get your mechanics skill up a bit you can modify them to really max it out (1000 storage shopping cart, basically).
Post by: BigD145 on August 26, 2015, 09:01:45 pm
Post by: gimlet on August 26, 2015, 11:15:39 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on August 27, 2015, 03:25:12 am
I've lost one or two and almost lost a few more, by having to let go of them and fight or let go fo them to explore then fight. And fighting can lead you away from where you were.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 27, 2015, 05:27:31 am
I wish there was a way to mark your shopping cart from others. Visually, I can recongize my shopping carts from other. But the game repsent all shopping carts the same.I can't understand that situation. You can visually recognize your cart, but you keep losing it? You're losing it among other carts, or amidst terrain, or what?
I've lost one or two and almost lost a few more, by having to let go of them and fight or let go fo them to explore then fight. And fighting can lead you away from where you were.
Post by: gimlet on August 27, 2015, 06:43:44 am
Post by: Majestic7 on August 27, 2015, 06:52:53 am
Post by: blazing glory on August 27, 2015, 07:20:22 am
Never used shopping carts, can you mount a machine gun in one? If not, you clearly should! That or a heavy industrial drill. Just because.Pretty sure you can, if you can't, with a tiny amount of modification you could.
Might make it too heavy to move but you could do it.
Post by: BigD145 on August 27, 2015, 08:24:51 am
Post by: Sharp on August 27, 2015, 12:07:21 pm
Obviously you need a PDA and beacon in your shopping cart.
Just to clarify, the beacon goes in the shopping cart, you keep the PDA on your own inventory to locate shopping cart.
Post by: BigD145 on August 27, 2015, 12:39:29 pm
Obviously you need a PDA and beacon in your shopping cart.
Just to clarify, the beacon goes in the shopping cart, you keep the PDA on your own inventory to locate shopping cart.
Unless you want a shopping cart that always knows where you are.
Post by: Greiger on August 27, 2015, 01:26:14 pm
Post by: heydude6 on August 27, 2015, 01:37:54 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 27, 2015, 01:52:33 pm
"Aha, so that's where I left my kidney!"
Post by: Greiger on August 27, 2015, 02:10:30 pm
Isn't that a bit redundant?I never said the bionic would be useful.
Post by: Kaitol on August 27, 2015, 02:21:36 pm
Post by: HavingPhun on August 27, 2015, 02:47:58 pm
Post by: i2amroy on August 27, 2015, 03:49:22 pm
Are you getting any specific error messages?
If tiles have you tried toggling the software renderer option in options.txt?
Have you tried running it as admin? I know windows 10 did some changes with file permissions and whatnot.
Honestly it's difficult to diagnose the problem, since AFAIK we don't have anybody on Windows 10 developing right now.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 27, 2015, 03:59:30 pm
Then my character dies. :'(
Post by: Iceblaster on August 27, 2015, 05:35:20 pm
I use the Note feature on the minimap for a lot of things.
Then my character dies. :'(
Make the name of your next character identical to the previous one. Notes are on a per-name basis, if I recall, and save separately.
In other news, I think I'm going to set my cataclysm server up again this weekend, since I've network control again. Look forward to burning houses down together!
Yay! Will it be the exact same setup and such as the last?
Post by: blazing glory on August 27, 2015, 07:10:31 pm
Post by: Micro102 on August 27, 2015, 09:45:10 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 27, 2015, 09:51:04 pm
It's more weird simultaneous world-sharing thing than Multiplayer.
Post by: jocan2003 on August 27, 2015, 10:11:09 pm
Post by: blazing glory on August 27, 2015, 10:20:36 pm
The answer to both your questions is Badly.Yeah, remember something about that, doesn't it crash if you come inside someone else's Reality Bubble?
It's more weird simultaneous world-sharing thing than Multiplayer.
Post by: etgfrog on August 28, 2015, 12:55:49 am
Post by: Sharp on August 28, 2015, 01:19:38 am
Post by: DreamThorn on August 28, 2015, 01:35:46 am
Recently upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10. DDA doesn't run now. Experimental version 3608. I haven't tried anything newer than that, as my current connection is too slow to download dda. It opens, takes a long time to load the start menu, when it previously came up instantly. Then it freezes, not allowing me to do anything, and crashes.
After I upgraded to Windows 10 I had to reinstall my graphics driver before the game became playably fast.
Also, when the game starts, the window doesn't appear automatically, so I have to switch to it. Then the screen is completely black, but the menu options appear when I use the arrow keys.
The menu music stopped working long before that, but the new menu sounds work.
I hope the above helps you to get the game running again.
Post by: HavingPhun on August 28, 2015, 09:11:50 am
Tiles or not?Yeah, it's odd that some things don't work on windows 10 that you would expect to. I was running Windows 10, 64 bit, with tiles on. I had to run it in Windows 7 compatibility mode to make it work. DF will only run with adminstrator permissions. I can't make any promises for this. But, perhaps I could help with these issues next month. I have a moderate level of experience with c++, but still have a lot to learn about it. Main issue would be that I have a 2gb monthly data cap, after that, I am stuck on dial-up.
Are you getting any specific error messages?
If tiles have you tried toggling the software renderer option in options.txt?
Have you tried running it as admin? I know windows 10 did some changes with file permissions and whatnot.
Honestly it's difficult to diagnose the problem, since AFAIK we don't have anybody on Windows 10 developing right now.
Also, DreamThorn, I had updated my graphics driver first thing once I updated windows. The only issue I get now is that I don't see the menu until I press the arrow keys a few times, just as you said. Other than that, it all works well.
Thanks to everybody who helped with this.
Post by: Adragis on August 29, 2015, 03:56:33 am
But anyway, I never knew this game had any sound whatsoever. What're you talking about?
Post by: Akura on August 29, 2015, 04:22:10 am
Post by: Adragis on August 29, 2015, 04:28:01 am
And yeah, the folder's empty.
Post by: Akura on August 29, 2015, 04:38:54 am
Spoiler: Example of musicset.json if you want music (click to show/hide)
Post by: gimlet on August 29, 2015, 07:22:52 am
1) Download and unpack latest experimental build from here: http://dev.narc.ro/cataclysm/jenkins-latest/Windows/Tiles/
2) Download sound mod: http://chezzo.com/cdda/catasounds.zip
3) Unpack sound mod into Cataclysm directory, overwriting all the conflicts. (there should be a couple of warnings about the directories that have the same name)
Post by: i2amroy on August 30, 2015, 12:26:01 am
Post by: n9103 on August 30, 2015, 10:51:50 am
That would still allow time gaps between players that joined early and left for awhile, vs a player that joins later but plays regularly.
Kind of a hack though, not a real solution.
Hmm, maybe separating the turns and game time would be workable on multiplayer games. Turns are locally affecting, while gametime would be a global and constant speed. That would definitely alleviate temporal anomalies, but then you have it become either much easier or much harder, depending on when you join a world.
Those that start early would still have a lot of pre-cata food to subside on for a week or so. Those that start late would pretty much depend on finding an older player's farm for a reliable food source.
I guess a solution like this might call for more detailed balancing for rottables, since there's not many cases where a player is going to be moving exactly 1 move every 6s.
Well, rambled enough, and as usual, have not come to a definitive solution to the problem I'm trying to address. :-\
Anyways, feel free to take some of these ideas if the approach seems worth looking into.
Post by: gimlet on August 30, 2015, 01:51:48 pm
Post by: Vattic on August 30, 2015, 04:44:29 pm
Hmm, maybe separating the turns and game time would be workable on multiplayer games. Turns are locally affecting, while gametime would be a global and constant speed. That would definitely alleviate temporal anomalies, but then you have it become either much easier or much harder, depending on when you join a world.So it would be like your character was in stasis between play sessions with time still passing? If so your own food could rot while not online, and sleeping or any time skipping would be tricky (consensual night skipping like in Minecraft) if not impossible (crafting for one).
Post by: azmodean on August 30, 2015, 05:01:36 pm
Yea, you hit on the main points.Hmm, maybe separating the turns and game time would be workable on multiplayer games. Turns are locally affecting, while gametime would be a global and constant speed. That would definitely alleviate temporal anomalies, but then you have it become either much easier or much harder, depending on when you join a world.So it would be like your character was in stasis between play sessions with time still passing? If so your own food could rot while not online, and sleeping or any time skipping would be tricky (consensual night skipping like in Minecraft) if not impossible (crafting for one).
Post by: Fniff on August 30, 2015, 05:17:38 pm
Post by: azmodean on August 30, 2015, 07:31:58 pm
Post by: ollobrains on September 01, 2015, 04:47:00 pm
Post by: BFEL on September 01, 2015, 05:14:43 pm
Post by: i2amroy on September 01, 2015, 05:25:47 pm
So, how are NPCs these days? Any progress on that front?Compared to when? :P As with anything else in this game, development on any one particular topic is comes in rather large leaps and bounds. Soemthing might sit still for months, then suddenly have a huge amount of development forwards when a developer or two decides to focus on it. :P
Post by: ollobrains on September 01, 2015, 05:40:25 pm
Post by: BFEL on September 01, 2015, 05:41:42 pm
Post by: i2amroy on September 01, 2015, 06:46:16 pm
Post by: n9103 on September 01, 2015, 08:05:27 pm
Whats the current state of them? Are they forming real factions yet or is it all still one-building clusters at best?Love how this gets asked every other week. ::)
Post by: Tnx on September 01, 2015, 09:43:05 pm
Post by: BFEL on September 02, 2015, 05:48:57 am
The team lost acidia, he was the guy working on the faction outpost stuff, so check back when you see him active on the DDA forums.So check back every other week because Bay12 is the one true forum and I'm not a dirty heretic? :P
Post by: ollobrains on September 02, 2015, 07:03:37 am
Post by: iceball3 on September 03, 2015, 01:53:58 am
Spraypaint messages on the ground and you get even closer."Amazing Trap Ahead"
/me looks forward to see a field of pure bubblewrap
Post by: i2amroy on September 03, 2015, 02:38:27 pm
The team lost acidia, he was the guy working on the faction outpost stuff, so check back when you see him active on the DDA forums."lost" is kinda a relative term here. :P Ever since he came up with his first contribution to C:DDA acidia has always been a "here for a handful of weeks, disappear for a month or more" type of person. He's never really stuck around for long enough to truly be considered "on the team" any more than any other random person who shows up with a few JSON tweaks or a new building and then disappears is.
Which of course isn't to say that we don't appreciate those people or their contributions any less than those who stick around for longer times, after all a wide variety of people contributing is what makes open source so great (and the boundaries between sticking around for longer periods and shorter ones are nebulous at best, with large amounts of crossover as people's life happens), but it sure makes communication and working together easier when someone sticks around enough for you to discuss things with them instead of just vanishing and appearing at random intervals.
Post by: Tnx on September 03, 2015, 03:36:30 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on September 03, 2015, 09:08:48 pm
Good times.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on September 03, 2015, 11:42:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pencil_Art on September 05, 2015, 03:23:21 am
Fairly new player here, currently in the process of finding out how OP Skater Girls are. Those rollerskates are beautiful. 12 days so far.
But anyway, I never knew this game had any sound whatsoever. What're you talking about?
Haven't even gotten past day 3. What is your secret??
Post by: Adragis on September 05, 2015, 04:11:17 am
Stealth is a big aspect. Close curtains before passing by them, avoid smashing if there's a quieter option, go out at night, make use of thrown distractions, duck into subways and lose them in the darkness.
Speed is also useful: As I said, rollerblades are ridiculously good for getting around town, and stimulants are also very helpful as long as you don't get addicted, although you can wait it off.
Skill up, too. I spent a fair amount of time at the start just grinding tailoring, fabrication and survival, so I can quickly rustle up , say, a makeshift crowbar or the like to aid in whatever circumstances I'm in.
Also, knowing your limits is good. I died an awful lot back when I was just starting (although I still do, of course :P) because I would be so invested in looting I'd end up only trying to return to base once I was tired or being swarmed by zombies.
Post by: xxseuzxx on September 05, 2015, 08:05:51 am
I'm not sure if there is something broken regarding zombie half life or something along that.
Also found a laser turret.
Post by: xxseuzxx on September 05, 2015, 08:13:40 am
Had to set up a large tent and a cot..all of this during a 30 day winter.
Grimdark.
Post by: Salmeuk on September 07, 2015, 03:02:47 am
That is, how to modify the displayed tile in order to mark an important location.
Post by: BigD145 on September 07, 2015, 08:09:36 am
Post by: Aseaheru on September 07, 2015, 12:32:14 pm
Post by: Silfurdreki on September 08, 2015, 04:52:50 am
The latest experimentals are hellish, day one and there are brutes, hulks,those machine gun like spitters and several fucking masters and necromancers,also predators.
I'm not sure if there is something broken regarding zombie half life or something along that.
Also found a laser turret.
Are you playing the sheltered survivor start? That starts in winter and the game now accounts for the time that passed since spring so that you get more evolved zombies from the start and perishable food is rotten.
In my experience, at least.
Post by: Rince Wind on September 08, 2015, 11:07:20 am
Problem is: I have no idea about Linux, and it doesn't seem to be enough to download and unpack it. So, how do I start this?
Post by: Kaitol on September 08, 2015, 12:03:48 pm
Are you playing the sheltered survivor start? That starts in winter and the game now accounts for the time that passed since spring so that you get more evolved zombies from the start and perishable food is rotten.
In my experience, at least.
Nope. I played a version a few weeks back and there was pretty much every kind of special infected at the edges of town. Given that I was walking around chugging milk, I also wasn't playing sheltered survivor.
Makes going into town further than a house or two during the day impossible unless your character is a combat god.
Post by: xxseuzxx on September 08, 2015, 08:27:50 pm
Also between my leather armor and barbutte helmet, combined with a fitted kevlar vest I'm giving a shit.
Only feral predators scare me,and hulks are Molotov magnets.
By this moment I'm salvaging an atomic tank while looking for a vehicle to pimp out.
Mobile phones truly are dreadful when writing.
Post by: Lukewarm on September 08, 2015, 09:35:47 pm
Post by: gimlet on September 08, 2015, 09:42:15 pm
Biggest tip - remember you can run. You can out run most of the things if you can avoid being grabbed (like a death sentence now), except animals and zombie dogs, those things are still like terminator rockets to the Day 1 survivor. Grab a few things, run out of town, grind up fabrication and tailoring to fit and reinforce your armor and make a decent first weapon (cudgel while you work on knife spear). Come back at night, pick off a few stray z's, loot a few houses on the edge for food and materials, retreat when it starts to get hairy. *** Remember you can run ***.
Post by: blazing glory on September 08, 2015, 10:08:47 pm
I'm from the days before running was invented. How do I update my legs?" <--- I think, I might've binded it to that, don't quite remember.
Post by: Aseaheru on September 08, 2015, 10:25:00 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on September 09, 2015, 10:28:44 am
Post by: n9103 on September 09, 2015, 02:45:55 pm
If so, then any 8x16/8 will be pixel perfect if fullscreen. (Of course, the borders on a window screw with the pixels viewed.)
For me, I'm usually more interested in making sure the dimensions factor perfectly. But I also usually play DF in ASCII... YMMV :P
Post by: Mephansteras on September 09, 2015, 03:39:06 pm
I also do ASCII for DF, but that has much better fullscreen/zoom scaling than Cataclysm does.
Post by: scrdest on September 10, 2015, 10:33:23 am
In a Lab Challenge, my en-Night Vision-ed Volunteer Mutant found his spawnbuddy NPC and after some dungeon-crawling action to avoid the shit out of turret rooms, fight our way to the top and get some basic escape-this-goddamn-place gear, at level -1, to my massive joyful surprise, we discover a sewage outflow is directly connected to the lab.
While on the lookout for some gear to burn through the grate safely, I stumble upon a door that turns out to lead straight to that sewer. Yay, we're out! One very long trawl through sewage and fighting sewage carp-piranhas we find a sewer access - actually the second one, the first one had ALL the zombies around it, including a shocker brute - but the second one we left at 8 PM, so it's already dark.
We evade the zombies in the darkness thanks to the awesome night-vision of my char... but then that idiot of an NPC panics and fires his bloody SHOTGUN at a zombie that got a bit too close. So I wound up leaving him behind to take the zombie-heat.
Then I died to some survivor zombies in a basement of a house, so anticlimaaaaaaax.
Post by: Haskel on September 10, 2015, 12:09:00 pm
Post by: Darkmere on September 11, 2015, 02:39:42 am
Seems like the house traps are more a trap to the survivor than zombies. I won't bother trying to settle in one again.
Post by: Majestic7 on September 11, 2015, 04:39:23 am
That is, when I don't die horribly. Sometimes I scavenge all my old corpses and eat them, just because.
Post by: gimlet on September 11, 2015, 07:13:29 am
If I were gonna trap a house, I'd be adding the traps OUTSIDE anyway, I hate getting my windows busted up and any bit helps...
Post by: i2amroy on September 11, 2015, 01:30:45 pm
Post by: jocan2003 on September 11, 2015, 02:13:49 pm
Post by: Kaitol on September 11, 2015, 04:06:02 pm
I mean, you can only read every single skillbook in the game so many times before it gets mind numbingly, game endingly boring, and then you just end up making throwaway joke characters that actually do interesting shit before/while dying on day three.
It's not like finding a safe place to hold up and read for sixty days straight is difficult. The hardest part is getting the damn books in the first place.
Post by: Adragis on September 11, 2015, 04:26:58 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on September 12, 2015, 03:58:00 am
What would people think about an optional mod for worlds that made books instant read?Fantastic. Reading books is a pain.
Post by: Adragis on September 12, 2015, 04:01:44 am
But it'd feel like cheating... maybe make skill gain a little faster, and make recipes much much faster?What would people think about an optional mod for worlds that made books instant read?Fantastic. Reading books is a pain.
It'd emulate your guy/girl just picking it up for the purpose of learning recipes and still feel less like a powerup.
Ideally, I'd prefer a lower cap for skills from books, but that'd be even more complicated.
Post by: Orange Wizard on September 12, 2015, 04:12:34 am
Post by: BigD145 on September 12, 2015, 08:22:07 am
Hm. Instant read might be a bit much. Honestly, what I find most annoying is having to read the same thing a bajillion times over.
Read book, skip entire day, would feel a bit more balanced. Just drink and eat until full and then rinse and repeat, because as it is it's not that difficult to hole up and read read read. It's just boring and I'd love a time jump. It would certainly be less to do in the game but I've moved characters to new worlds just so I could get new buildings and not have to grind book reading.
Post by: Kaitol on September 12, 2015, 01:24:09 pm
Maybe a compromise could be a 6 cost trait called eidetic memory, that maxes read speed at like one minute a chapter, let's you just flip through a book memorizing each page. (yes yes, I know the science behind this is non-existent, but this is a game about alien goo zombies with bionic super-soldiers) That way if you want to just skip books you can give yourself 6 more starting skill points to buy it, or alternatively pay a reasonably high price at character creation.
Post by: kilakan on September 12, 2015, 02:10:05 pm
Post by: BigD145 on September 12, 2015, 02:21:41 pm
Speed reading should shave half to three quarter time off reading times.
Post by: Tawa on September 12, 2015, 02:24:11 pm
Post by: Sheb on September 12, 2015, 02:24:32 pm
Post by: Sindain on September 12, 2015, 02:27:19 pm
Personally, I think that the best workaround for recipes that take forever and a day to learn would be that if you had the requisite skill and the book in your inventory, you could craft the item. After all, what would you rather do: memorize how to build a death ray, or build a death ray step-by-step from instructions?
You've been able to do that for, like, 700 versions now.
Post by: Tawa on September 12, 2015, 02:41:52 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on September 12, 2015, 04:30:33 pm
Post by: beorn080 on September 12, 2015, 05:36:34 pm
What would be cool for that is a bionic that 'scans' a book, stores it and then diffuses the knowledge into your brain as you sleep. It's an 'instant' read that's on a daily cool down, with a power requirement.That would make a nice tier boost over that bionic student one. Leave the student, but, mmm, bionic professor, grader maybe? "Before the collapse, you were a living scantron machine, scanning thousands of tests a day to grade them, slowly absorbing the views of your students. Now, in the future, no one is stopping you from reading everything." Mandatory defect, ultimate nearsightedness. Special map build, no glasses anywhere else.
Post by: azmodean on September 12, 2015, 05:50:29 pm
Obviously the name would be Time Enough at Last (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Enough_at_Last).What would be cool for that is a bionic that 'scans' a book, stores it and then diffuses the knowledge into your brain as you sleep. It's an 'instant' read that's on a daily cool down, with a power requirement.That would make a nice tier boost over that bionic student one. Leave the student, but, mmm, bionic professor, grader maybe? "Before the collapse, you were a living scantron machine, scanning thousands of tests a day to grade them, slowly absorbing the views of your students. Now, in the future, no one is stopping you from reading everything." Mandatory defect, ultimate nearsightedness. Special map build, no glasses anywhere else.
And bionics aside I've considered making this mode just to be mean :)
Post by: beorn080 on September 12, 2015, 09:20:40 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on September 12, 2015, 10:15:24 pm
Post by: BigD145 on September 12, 2015, 10:22:39 pm
Post by: Angle on September 12, 2015, 10:43:31 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on September 12, 2015, 10:53:26 pm
As for the books, I dont really like the idea of virtual levels, as that is basically how skill rust feels to me, but then I basicly do carry all the skill books I find around with me, so it wouldn't affect me any.
Post by: Orange Wizard on September 12, 2015, 11:03:26 pm
Post by: Sindain on September 12, 2015, 11:16:18 pm
I don't see how having to lug your books around would be a problem. Or to be more precise, I don't see why you would have to lug them around in the first place. It's not like you need to craft mutagen in the middle of a triffid nest, so you can just leave the books at you're base/car.
Thou reduced success chance on recipes isn't a terrible idea.
Post by: Darkmere on September 13, 2015, 01:23:14 am
Post by: Sheb on September 13, 2015, 03:29:37 am
Post by: hawkeye_de on September 13, 2015, 06:14:27 am
Post by: BigD145 on September 13, 2015, 08:58:17 am
wanna also getting into that game, can anybody recommend a good, comprehensive (video) tutorial ?
Not one I know of, but you can pick up bits and pieces from streamers that just go in gung ho with one character. Everyone has their own playstyle and a single tutorial for pure human will be different from any of the dozen mutation lines simply because your tools and priorities change. I would say start by reading the keybindings. Those are very important. Then get in and think about how those keybindings can interact. Even recent streamers and youtube video makers don't realize all they can do. They don't know a lot of interactions in various situations. For example, put a jerry can next to you and have a rubber hose in your hand and try to interact with a vehicle. Now put the hose down and try it again. Now take six steps away from your items but still be next to the vehicle. You change the conditions and your options change. Much of the game is coded fairly logically and it tends to just get better with each experimental release.
For people that play I'd say hit up twitch and go to the Cataclysm DDA page. See who's streaming. Sit and watch for at least an hour before asking questions. Go to youtube and find One F Jef or PlumpHelmetPunk and maybe even Aavak. But for all the time you watch them you could just play and experiment for yourself. A couple hours of Jef could give you a decent primer.
Post by: hawkeye_de on September 13, 2015, 10:59:39 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on September 13, 2015, 11:24:33 am
Post by: BigD145 on September 13, 2015, 12:15:07 pm
Post by: i2amroy on September 13, 2015, 12:36:10 pm
Hmm. Maybe skill books should just give you virtual levels in the skill and access to all of their recipes? You'd have to carry the books around everywhere, which would be annoying, and while relying on the books for your skills you'd have a significantly reduced chance of crafting success and crafting speed. But you wouldn't end up spending days mashing 'r', you'd just carry books everywhere and practice the skill.I'm pretty sure they already do this to some extent (I know you certainly can do recipes "from the book" right now). This is basically a modified version of what we are eventually striving for with the recipe system.
Post by: Poltifar on September 13, 2015, 10:40:38 pm
Also, I've read that the experimental builds improve night vision and wandering hordes, both features I'm interested in. Is it worth switching to that, or should I stick to the stable release?
Post by: Gentlefish on September 13, 2015, 11:00:50 pm
But! Those sorts of bugs are often fixed by the next day, if not the next release. Experimentals are always worth playing if you like the new features.
Post by: Aseaheru on September 13, 2015, 11:01:49 pm
Post by: Poltifar on September 13, 2015, 11:14:18 pm
Post by: Darkmere on September 13, 2015, 11:34:11 pm
Post by: Poltifar on September 14, 2015, 12:24:19 am
Post by: Adragis on September 14, 2015, 12:51:36 am
You will throw many, many rocks. I don't even have night vision and I can stealth like nobody's business.
Post by: Darkmere on September 14, 2015, 03:05:11 pm
Seriously, I have average strength and have never once broken a grapple from regular shamblers. Which is cool, since even regular houses are now guarded by shocker brutes, so basic supplies are also no-go. And it rained every single day of spring, dawn til dusk.
Five games in a row.
Is something fucked up in the current experimentals or...?
Also basic survivors start with socks but no shoes, as of a few days ago.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 14, 2015, 04:00:51 pm
Well. Melee seems blatantly impossible now. Get grappled -> give zombies 7 or 8 free turns per one of mine -> die. Good job?
Seriously, I have average strength and have never once broken a grapple from regular shamblers. Which is cool, since even regular houses are now guarded by shocker brutes, so basic supplies are also no-go. And it rained every single day of spring, dawn til dusk.
Five games in a row.
Is something fucked up in the current experimentals or...?
Also basic survivors start with socks but no shoes, as of a few days ago.
You need dodge skill to survive melee. But Shocker Brutes still suck, which is why I prefer melee + backup gun. I'm pretty sure it's recommended in most guides.
What I like to do in static mode is play all my characters in the same world. So one character can spawn with a rifle and be all like Rambo, then later characters can enjoy a more peaceful world.
Post by: gimlet on September 14, 2015, 04:02:58 pm
Day 1 I keep trying to remember that I can run, and outrun MOST of those things, but it's still hard - sometimes the only escape route takes you near a grabber and if he's got friends nearby, adios. And even "escaping" into the woods is not being home free, animals don't stagger. And skeleton dogs are like bony terminators, they're fast, hard to hit and don't stagger either.
Post by: Darkmere on September 14, 2015, 07:26:09 pm
Post by: Adragis on September 15, 2015, 01:50:03 am
Post by: Baffler on September 15, 2015, 06:39:42 pm
I want to get into this game, but I'm having trouble deciding between static and dynamic spawns.
¿Por qué no los dos?
Post by: beorn080 on September 15, 2015, 08:02:55 pm
Looks like I'm re-downloading and cheesing the hell out of the game for a min-maxed archer, then. I hate archery. This won't end well.Knife spears remain your eternal friend. You can "f"ire them to stab an extra square away.
Post by: Poltifar on September 15, 2015, 09:10:57 pm
Looks like I'm re-downloading and cheesing the hell out of the game for a min-maxed archer, then. I hate archery. This won't end well.Knife spears remain your eternal friend. You can "f"ire them to stab an extra square away.
Does that throw the spear, or just stab further while keeping it in hand?
Post by: gimlet on September 15, 2015, 09:19:35 pm
Post by: Darkmere on September 15, 2015, 10:51:17 pm
No guns though. Just caseless shells.
Post by: ollobrains on September 17, 2015, 06:02:11 pm
Yeah after setting my character up to be an archer/lumberjack, there's a SWAT van in the first town with 200 rounds of shotgun ammo.
No guns though. Just caseless shells.
Time to search out a gun skills book and skill up , then u can shoot em from afar or blast em if they get to clsoe.
Some wood traps are always helpful as well
Post by: Adragis on September 18, 2015, 12:36:12 am
Are these slug rounds?
Post by: Darkmere on September 18, 2015, 01:12:56 am
...caseless shells?
Are these slug rounds?
They're rivtech ammunition, for the rivtech guns. Comes in shot and slug IIRC. Can't be unloaded or reloaded for obvious reasons, but you can make homemade rounds with enough skill.
On an unrelated note, I found
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Post by: Adragis on September 18, 2015, 01:41:26 am
Also, I know about Rivtech Rounds.
Just... how is caseless shot possible?
Post by: Aseaheru on September 18, 2015, 01:53:23 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on September 18, 2015, 01:59:50 am
Just... how is caseless shot possible?Science Fiction™
Post by: n9103 on September 18, 2015, 02:57:22 am
The propellant is also the casing. Or there is no casing. They are typically electronically fired, or in the case of what Daisy did when they were trying it out (in the 60s, thereabouts) was they used really, really compressed air. Dunno how the Russians did it with their caseless 40mm grenades...The problem that was being addressed was that there's no way to have true caseless ammunition that propels projectiles that don't have a (relatively) precise fit to the barrel.
A more liberal use of the word could lead to having formed powder charges attached to the back of a shot cup or sabot though.
Not truly caseless in that there's still material ejected that isn't the projectile, but close enough, since they're ejected out the end of the barrel.
Post by: Darkmere on September 18, 2015, 03:12:34 am
Just... how is caseless shot possible?Science Fiction™
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caseless_ammunition
Been around since 1968.
Post by: Aseaheru on September 18, 2015, 04:38:51 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caseless_ammunitionFixed that for you.
Been around since19681841*.
Wait, when was the gravity gun- after that. Allright. 1841 it is.
Post by: Akura on September 18, 2015, 04:41:35 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on September 18, 2015, 04:50:29 am
Shush.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caseless_ammunitionJust... how is caseless shot possible?Science Fiction™
Been around since 1968.
Post by: Aseaheru on September 18, 2015, 04:52:21 am
Another problem with caseless rounds is that the propellant comes into direct contact with the weapon, causing overheating when it fires, particularly for automatic weapons.Yep, but this is the game with super alloy, and thats what the guns are made of (along with ceramic, which may actually be what the breach is made of...)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on September 18, 2015, 10:08:49 am
As for more 'conventional' caseless weapons, I'd be willing to bet we have the technology now to make one that worked despite a lot of the flaws. It's usually just a matter of cost.
Post by: Adragis on September 18, 2015, 10:17:16 am
As in, pellets?
Isn't that impossible?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on September 18, 2015, 10:17:54 am
More seriously, that would actually be way easier than bullets. All you need to do is set the pellets in wax and glue it to a solid propellant charge.
As long as it didn't destroy itself in a pump- or lever-action, it would probably work about the same as normal. If you have a break-action, it would be perfect.
Post by: gimlet on September 18, 2015, 10:27:51 am
ED: There's no *major* advantage to it though, because the shotgun shot casing/wadding is fired out the barrel like the projectile(s), so as long as it's light and low volume, who cares. Plus, in current caseless ammuntion, the projectile is already embedded in the propellant, seems relatively simple to do it for multiple projectiles/something that will split into multiple projectiles...
Post by: Adragis on September 18, 2015, 10:31:15 am
forgot alternatives hr
Post by: n9103 on September 18, 2015, 10:55:48 am
Why is it "impossible"? Just as a quick first thought, why couldn't they be held together magnetically? Or with a light adhesive substance that would break apart from the heat/shock of firing?Magnetically, ok... Not only would the ammo be quite a bit more expensive, but now you have a nightmare of filings to deal with.
Other than a sabot-style round, I don't see how the adhesive idea would be feasible for caseless ammo, since if they fall apart upon detonation, you're likely to have pellets remain in the barrel, and that's a nightmare for rapid firing. Rapid firing is one of the intended advantages of caseless, so there goes that.
No. It's called a blunderbuss.This is basically a wax slug, which doesn't behave at all like shot, negating the reason for asking the question in the first place.
More seriously, that would actually be way easier than bullets. All you need to do is set the pellets in wax and glue it to a solid propellant charge.
Post by: gimlet on September 18, 2015, 11:09:44 am
Post by: MasterFancyPants on September 18, 2015, 12:02:38 pm
Post by: n9103 on September 18, 2015, 12:04:56 pm
You know these theories could be tested IRL. Just get some shells and fill them with wax, magnets, etc. Your shotgun will be fine, through maybe in need of cleaning.They have been. Extensively.
Not hard to turn up many videos on it.
Post by: MasterFancyPants on September 18, 2015, 12:13:25 pm
Unlikely that anything would stay in the barrel useless it's coming off the following round, in which case It wouldn't matter. When that round fired it would push any loose pellets out. The largest problem I see with adhesive/wax is that it may stick to the inside of the barrel, then make it's way into the firing mechanisms.
Post by: n9103 on September 18, 2015, 01:11:40 pm
Post by: Darkmere on September 18, 2015, 01:26:04 pm
Post by: i2amroy on September 18, 2015, 01:47:07 pm
It's integral to the shell to keep the pressurized gas contained enough to push the shot out of the barrel.This right here is the main reason that we use sabots instead of just loose pellets. If you don't have a proper seal (like you wouldn't with loose pellets, or magnetic pellets, or something similar) then you are going to take huge range and speed (and therefore damage) hits.
Post by: n9103 on September 18, 2015, 05:35:08 pm
Suppose it's more of a technical issue than anything. Considering the thread, I see nothing unusual about that. ;)
Post by: Akura on September 18, 2015, 05:44:41 pm
Another problem with caseless rounds is that the propellant comes into direct contact with the weapon, causing overheating when it fires, particularly for automatic weapons.Yep, but this is the game with super alloy, and thats what the guns are made of (along with ceramic, which may actually be what the breach is made of...)
We don't really know the heat conductivity or dissipation of superalloy, and I'd doubt ceramic can handle the force of automatic fire.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on September 18, 2015, 06:13:02 pm
Post by: duckman on September 18, 2015, 07:49:47 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on September 18, 2015, 09:18:19 pm
Post by: i2amroy on September 19, 2015, 12:21:00 am
Considering the crazy stuff they've done with ceramics already (there was one I remember reading about in some obscure scientific journal I can't remember the name of that was basically rubber stone, though obscure scientific journals may not necessarily have the integrity of their more well-published peers...) I wouldn't be surprised if they had some kind of 'ceramic' that's basically nonconductive steel.Yeah, ceramics are one of the big areas of development right now in the material science world (along with all the crazy carbon-based stuff), so there's plenty of crazy new ceramic materials showing up even now.
Post by: azmodean on September 19, 2015, 02:09:40 am
My whole point has been that actual caseless ammo doesn't use wads or shotcups.I don't understand your objection, a sabot or shotcup isn't part of the case, it's part of the projectile.
Post by: ollobrains on September 19, 2015, 04:55:25 am
Post by: andrewas on September 19, 2015, 05:37:48 am
My whole point has been that actual caseless ammo doesn't use wads or shotcups.
Suppose it's more of a technical issue than anything. Considering the thread, I see nothing unusual about that. ;)
The important part of caseless is that the whole round is either vaporized or leaves the barrel. That means you don't need to eject the spent round, allowing for a simpler mechanism and faster rates of fire, if we can find materials that can stand the heat without the casing removing most of it.
Adding a wad doesn't change that.
Post by: jocan2003 on September 19, 2015, 01:45:35 pm
Having semi auto weapon with caseless is in the realm of possibilty as the heat will radiate away before a new round is inserted or it will slowly build up but will most likely never reach critical temperature in the firing session while full auto risk raising the barrel and ammunition chamber up to critical temperature much faster and most likely before the firing session is over.
A 306 sniper rifle with caseless is much more likely to never reach critical temperature as you wont fire often while using the M249 with caseless (Name are only to reflect the type of weaponry and does not represent reality ) risk going over the critical temperature as the M249 is a support weapon mostly used in suppressive fire more than treat elemination.
Post by: Darkmere on September 19, 2015, 02:07:45 pm
I'm hoping you can make a pickaxe and just mine for stuff? Maybe?
Post by: gimlet on September 19, 2015, 02:40:45 pm
Post by: azmodean on September 19, 2015, 02:56:40 pm
One problem with caseless ammunition, unless you have high temperature resistant solid propelant you risk having your ammunition firing up without using the trigger. Most of projectile with casing also act as a way to dissipate some of the firing heat or receive heat of the barrel should it be too high and is ejected after.The company http://www.defendtex.com/ in Australia has a technically caseless line of weapon systems, though it's not the traditional concept with discrete caseless rounds, instead they're stacked in the barrel. They have patents on heat management, blowback prevention, and inductive electrical primer technologies, so they're probably keeping anyone else from working on traditional caseless ammo by holding those patents.
how much effort has been put in on the coding side to make a cermanics arm of objects, weapons and other useful stuffAlmost none, there is some pottery, but that's about it. Ceramic weapons are rather specialized, what would the benefit be in the cataclysm?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on September 19, 2015, 05:19:55 pm
Ceramic blades can hold the edge of hard steel without the weight or risk of corrosion. Ceramic firearms could resist wear and heat better than plastic and steel while still retaining a light weight.
Plus, ceramics can use more abundant materials than some important steel additives, which means that if the technology gets common enough, it might even be slightly cheaper than steel-based objects.
This is, of course, assuming that there's been a decent amount of ceramics research in this alternate reality.
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on September 19, 2015, 05:21:44 pm
Ceramic blades can hold the edge of hard steel without the weight or risk of corrosion.
We've already got this much - check out the RM42 knife.
Post by: Sheb on September 19, 2015, 05:22:25 pm
Post by: Lukewarm on September 19, 2015, 06:57:07 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on September 19, 2015, 07:12:48 pm
Hasn't the survivor surpassed the limitations of rationality yet? You can make nuclear powered cars, install bionics into yourself, mutate into things that aren't just a sterile human, and do it all after a week of reading.yeah but NOT CERAMICS!
Post by: duckman on September 19, 2015, 07:30:31 pm
Hasn't the survivor surpassed the limitations of rationality yet? You can make nuclear powered cars, install bionics into yourself, mutate into things that aren't just a sterile human, and do it all after a week of reading.It's not really a matter of whether it makes that much sense anyways, the time and interest of the devs/modders has basically always been the deciding factor of what and how quickly something gets added.
Post by: n9103 on September 19, 2015, 08:56:09 pm
Additionally, they're quite susceptible to concussive forces, again, causing (or at least hastening) shattering.
Ceramic knives are great in situations where they're not going to be put under undue stress, like in a lab or kitchen setting.
To top it off, there's no repairing something make of ceramic. It's either ok, or it's effectively worthless.
The only way a ceramic knife could be feasible in combat is if you're packing a few dozen of them and expect to replace the knife with each hit.
I could be convinced that ceramics as something like barrel lining would be feasible, but even that would be a hard sell.
Post by: Descan on September 19, 2015, 09:52:45 pm
Post by: jocan2003 on September 20, 2015, 02:23:12 am
Post by: Darkmere on September 20, 2015, 02:57:08 am
Post by: Sheb on September 20, 2015, 05:09:40 am
You can make nuclear powered cars
Using factory made plutonium power cells and reactors.
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install bionics into yourself
Using self-installing CBM packs.
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mutate into things that aren't just a sterile human
Using alien goo magical thing.
Post by: Sindain on September 20, 2015, 08:08:41 am
You can make nuclear powered cars
Using factory made plutonium power cells and reactors.Quoteinstall bionics into yourself
Using self-installing CBM packs.Quotemutate into things that aren't just a sterile human
Using alien goo magical thing.
Ok, how bout making high powered energy rifles with nothing but a vacutainer and a collection of common circuit components?
Post by: Sheb on September 20, 2015, 08:16:38 am
Still, I don't see what ceramics would add, or how the survivor would be able to manufacture them (unless with some kind of specialized machine, like the cvd machine that let you diamond-coat blades).
Anyway, I generally think that crafting stuff is too easy and would like to see more emphasis on foraging and scavenging.
Post by: Akura on September 20, 2015, 09:00:33 am
Still, I don't see what ceramics would add, or how the survivor would be able to manufacture them (unless with some kind of specialized machine, like the cvd machine that let you diamond-coat blades).
According to fluff(ceramic shard description, if I recall) it's implied that the CVD machine would allow that.
Post by: Sindain on September 20, 2015, 09:09:04 am
But yeah, NX-17 Charge Rifles can be made with a vacutainer, 8 amplifier circuits, and 8 circuit boards. I always thought that one was a bit silly.
Post by: beorn080 on September 20, 2015, 10:26:43 am
Notice Zombie grenadier nearby.
Never fought one, should be fun for my bionic assassin.
Cue teleporting manhacks. The teargas ones that it started with weren't bad. The instagib c4 ones took my health on all parts to red and my pain to 331.
I think something is wrong with the grenadier manhack spawn code.
Post by: Darkmere on September 20, 2015, 10:29:07 am
Post by: beorn080 on September 20, 2015, 11:10:44 am
Nah, that's just how they work. Gotta kill em fast from range, or shoot down the drones, I think.The man hacks literally appear next to you when the grenadier opens their pouch? From over a map tile away? He was at vision range for my survivor.
Post by: Sheb on September 20, 2015, 11:17:15 am
Post by: beorn080 on September 20, 2015, 12:43:35 pm
Edit: Tested with a new character, spawned a grenadier, walked forward. I must have simply missed them in the chaos of tear gas hacks being spammed everywhere.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 20, 2015, 02:31:01 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on September 20, 2015, 02:32:01 pm
Post by: Nighthawk on September 20, 2015, 02:43:35 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on September 20, 2015, 02:44:53 pm
Post by: Sheb on September 20, 2015, 03:07:46 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 20, 2015, 03:50:25 pm
Why not both? Zombies running at top speed into wall.Honestly that seems most believable. Urgent animal instincts coupled with barely having 2 neurotransmitters to rub together.
Post by: BigD145 on September 20, 2015, 03:52:32 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 20, 2015, 04:01:02 pm
Still, the slime monsters definitely aren't very smart or well coordinated, so I don't see why zombies would be.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 20, 2015, 06:17:06 pm
how do i fence good?
Post by: Darkmere on September 20, 2015, 07:04:03 pm
how do combat stances work?
how do i fence good?
You'll have to check the moves on the wiki, they aren't explained well in-game yet. In short, use _ to select the fighting style you want to use, and when you're using a compatible weapon the moves will become available. I believe fencing was mostly about thrusts, so the bonuses become active for one turn on the turn after you've moved. In other words, lunge and attack.
I remember Escrima and Pentjak Silat being devastating.
Post by: Baffler on September 20, 2015, 09:44:52 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on September 22, 2015, 05:44:37 am
Post by: Majestic7 on September 22, 2015, 05:48:21 am
Speaking of which, does, say, scripting unique locations require coding skills? I assume there are no mod tools. I might be interested in building interesting locations if it is easy enough. :P
Post by: Tellemurius on September 22, 2015, 01:03:03 pm
Maybe it is one of those mansions you can rent for weddings and parties. Should still have poop rooms, though. Any mansions with sex dungeons including zombies in gimp outfits yet? Maybe include a vault filled to the brim with cash and cocaine.All the files are moddable in JSON format. The script is pretty easy to setup but will be a bit tedious. I would suggest downloading Notepad++ to view the JSON files and examine the script structure first.
Speaking of which, does, say, scripting unique locations require coding skills? I assume there are no mod tools. I might be interested in building interesting locations if it is easy enough. :P
Post by: i2amroy on September 22, 2015, 03:21:40 pm
Did save compatibility break with one of the recent experimentals? I recompiled and suddenly my world's gone grey.I think there might have been a small break a fair while back that triggered due to z-level improvements if you saved and upgraded versions while on a z-level other than the normal ground floor level, that made the game fill your entire world with stone or something similar (due to thinking that you were below ground all the time).
I don't think there was any good way to recover the saves lost to the bug, sadly.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 22, 2015, 03:51:25 pm
it always happened when i'm tabbed out in first person.
latest experimentals, tiled versions
Post by: Tellemurius on September 22, 2015, 04:02:24 pm
Just submit a bug report, with the log..... wait is there a errlog for this game?
Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 22, 2015, 04:04:14 pm
Well there is a reason its called "Experimental" :P
Just submit a bug report, with the log..... wait is there a errlog for this game?
there is not
Post by: azmodean on September 23, 2015, 11:51:43 pm
I found a mansion in the middle of nowhere made of nothing but dining halls. Seriously, where do the tenants ... do their business?In the office, with a lead pipe.
Post by: ollobrains on September 24, 2015, 02:08:18 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on September 24, 2015, 03:33:07 am
Post by: Blaze on September 24, 2015, 07:07:33 am
Post by: i2amroy on September 24, 2015, 11:50:22 am
Well there is a reason its called "Experimental" :PThere is, but it's kinda sparse. If there isn't anything in the log, then honestly the best thing you can do is to find a place where it crashes reliably, and then upload a save. That lets us open the save in a version that was compiled to still have the debug code, and then crash it and do a stack trace to find out what is going wrong.
Just submit a bug report, with the log..... wait is there a errlog for this game?
Post by: AVE on September 25, 2015, 04:03:31 am
Post by: Majestic7 on September 25, 2015, 04:12:52 am
Post by: AVE on September 25, 2015, 04:19:24 am
Post by: Akura on September 25, 2015, 04:25:44 am
Post by: Adragis on September 25, 2015, 04:29:23 am
Post by: i2amroy on September 25, 2015, 11:32:15 am
Post by: Adragis on September 25, 2015, 11:37:43 am
Post by: Mephansteras on September 25, 2015, 12:58:31 pm
Post by: Sindain on September 25, 2015, 01:05:16 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on September 25, 2015, 01:14:37 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on September 25, 2015, 03:09:58 pm
Like, gray, broken parts take 0 skill to remove because it's literally just tearing the metal off the car because you're not trying to preserve its function.
Post by: ollobrains on September 25, 2015, 03:21:59 pm
...I feel like there should be a way to salvage a car for steel that isn't just beating the piss out of it until it yields to your desire.
Like, gray, broken parts take 0 skill to remove because it's literally just tearing the metal off the car because you're not trying to preserve its function.
i wonder if someone is already on this yet
Post by: Gentlefish on September 25, 2015, 03:27:54 pm
I've poked at the code and it is not the most well-documented thing.
Post by: Darkmere on September 26, 2015, 12:01:18 am
Post by: i2amroy on September 26, 2015, 12:04:16 am
I think one of the mods has readded it though, and it's not exactly that complex of a recipe if you just want to drop it into your own JSON files.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on September 26, 2015, 12:08:16 am
Question: Without any points in mechanics and no skill book...how the heck to do train this skill now? You used to be able to get up to at least 1 by dismantling cars, but removing parts now requires at least a 1 or 2 in Mechanics already.You can easily get mechanics to one by prying open locked doors or lidded crates with crowbars. Note that you need a skill level of two to dismantle vehicle parts.
Post by: Darkmere on September 26, 2015, 12:45:14 am
in real life trying to make your own gunpowder is either extremely complicated (for more modern stuff) or carries a very high risk of blowing yourself to kingdom come (for the older varieties)
Uh huh. How does it compare in real life to making cybernetic enhancements using components you ripped out of goo zombies? Brewing mutagen from sewage? Installing fusion reactors? Harder than those?
Yeah, I'll re-add it. Just had to snark at the idea. Thanks for the reply.
Post by: IcyTea31 on September 26, 2015, 03:25:41 am
Post by: iceball3 on September 26, 2015, 03:53:51 pm
Also, getting ahold of plastic chunks and a soldering iron, and repeatedly trying to reinforce various plastic objects and clothes you got on you. Trains mechanics iirc.Question: Without any points in mechanics and no skill book...how the heck to do train this skill now? You used to be able to get up to at least 1 by dismantling cars, but removing parts now requires at least a 1 or 2 in Mechanics already.You can easily get mechanics to one by prying open locked doors or lidded crates with crowbars. Note that you need a skill level of two to dismantle vehicle parts.
Post by: Akura on September 26, 2015, 04:22:10 pm
Post by: Sindain on September 26, 2015, 04:28:51 pm
Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 26, 2015, 06:53:53 pm
why do these appeal to ants so much?
Post by: ollobrains on September 26, 2015, 08:20:58 pm
is there a reason that antholes only have metabolic interchange and blaster arm cbms?
why do these appeal to ants so much?
metabolic to make them forage more food, ants armed with blasters could be an issue. Loot tables culd be to blame
I wonder where in teh code the loot drops for antholes is located
Post by: ShinQuickMan on September 26, 2015, 10:46:03 pm
*/data/json/item_groups.json
Just open that with any standard text editor, search for the id "ant_food", and change accordingly.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 26, 2015, 11:09:34 pm
Post by: BFEL on September 27, 2015, 12:51:53 am
There should be special ants that have 4 blaster arm CBMs installed and walk on two legsFTFY
Post by: Sheb on September 27, 2015, 05:41:50 am
Post by: Gentlefish on September 27, 2015, 09:09:26 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on September 28, 2015, 11:59:39 am
THEM.Damn!
They did it again, didn't they?
Post by: IcyTea31 on September 28, 2015, 12:23:11 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on September 28, 2015, 02:47:46 pm
...
Ah, now I see clearly! It was THEM. THEM bastards.
Post by: gimlet on September 28, 2015, 04:31:47 pm
Post by: ShinQuickMan on September 28, 2015, 04:42:57 pm
Post by: Darkmere on September 28, 2015, 11:26:38 pm
Drive over a small fire? Floodlight explodes, but no paint even chips on the armored car. Headlights and solar panels are more durable than floodlights.
Post by: Adragis on September 29, 2015, 12:35:05 am
They were able to build it in their caves. With a box of scrap.No, they just did that to shut the hippies up.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 29, 2015, 07:26:10 pm
one just dropped a stack of throwing knives :P
Post by: Egan_BW on September 29, 2015, 07:38:14 pm
spiders that throw knives
Post by: n9103 on September 29, 2015, 08:09:01 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 29, 2015, 08:39:23 pm
Them? Just a moment, let me grab my tinfoil hat.
...
Ah, now I see clearly! It was THEM. THEM bastards.
Spoiler: For reference (click to show/hide)
Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 30, 2015, 06:39:33 am
and why do they hang out with krecks, lore wise, around dead bodies?
Post by: Silfurdreki on September 30, 2015, 06:44:49 am
Fun fact: when Them! was localised into Swedish (back when localisation of titles happened) it was named "Spindlarna", meaning "The Spiders" for some insane reason.Them? Just a moment, let me grab my tinfoil hat.
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Ah, now I see clearly! It was THEM. THEM bastards.Spoiler: For reference (click to show/hide)
Post by: iceball3 on September 30, 2015, 11:31:39 am
what do you guys think a gracken looks like?Short answer: (http://teecraze.com/images/splitreason/releasethegracken.jpg)
and why do they hang out with krecks, lore wise, around dead bodies?
Long answer: a guy who does esports, with inhumanly fast hands.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on September 30, 2015, 04:57:33 pm
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oh, jeez.
Post by: Sharp on September 30, 2015, 05:05:15 pm
Post by: BigD145 on September 30, 2015, 05:24:51 pm
Post by: Criptfeind on September 30, 2015, 08:01:35 pm
Post by: DreamThorn on October 01, 2015, 08:21:49 am
kreck (n.) - A fat humanoid the size of a dog, with twisted red flesh and a distended neck. It scampers around, panting and grunting.
Post by: Darkmere on October 01, 2015, 10:39:10 am
Post by: BFEL on October 01, 2015, 11:02:14 am
HELLO THING I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR
Post by: n9103 on October 01, 2015, 11:27:07 am
Neat.
Post by: Adragis on October 01, 2015, 12:51:02 pm
Rollerskates aren't incredibly OP anymore... :(
Post by: i2amroy on October 01, 2015, 03:01:32 pm
Stat leveling though indirectly, is finally a thing?It's a mod, yes. :P Not quite balanced enough for mainlining at the moment AFAIK.
Neat.
Post by: Darkmere on October 02, 2015, 02:03:20 am
Anyone else have an issue where minifridges won't keep drinks cold? I've had one running for a couple weeks and after a while most of the drinks in it just warm up and won't cool down again, even if I take them out and re-load the fridge.
Looking more at this, I notice the drinks in glass bottles will get cold... canned ones won't. Not sure what else to make of that... should start repackaging all my drinks I suppose.
Post by: Majestic7 on October 02, 2015, 02:12:48 am
Post by: Akura on October 02, 2015, 04:27:34 am
Post by: Adragis on October 02, 2015, 04:47:39 am
I think that's a bug with cans preserving heat: they won't get hotter, but they won't get colder either.Anyone else have an issue where minifridges won't keep drinks cold? I've had one running for a couple weeks and after a while most of the drinks in it just warm up and won't cool down again, even if I take them out and re-load the fridge.
Looking more at this, I notice the drinks in glass bottles will get cold... canned ones won't. Not sure what else to make of that... should start repackaging all my drinks I suppose.
Do they get warm?
Post by: BFEL on October 02, 2015, 12:42:10 pm
I think that's a bug with cans preserving heat: they won't get hotter, but they won't get colder either.Anyone else have an issue where minifridges won't keep drinks cold? I've had one running for a couple weeks and after a while most of the drinks in it just warm up and won't cool down again, even if I take them out and re-load the fridge.
Looking more at this, I notice the drinks in glass bottles will get cold... canned ones won't. Not sure what else to make of that... should start repackaging all my drinks I suppose.
Do they get warm?
*throws can in lava*
Post by: Darkmere on October 02, 2015, 01:07:01 pm
And yes, if you could toss a can of soda into a fire and have it explode to lure zombies, I'd totally abuse that.
Post by: BFEL on October 02, 2015, 03:16:26 pm
Post by: i2amroy on October 02, 2015, 03:32:10 pm
The key to dealing with them is mainly to remember to not stand still for long, and to take shots at the grenadier as often as possible. Take the grenadier down and the bombs will stop coming.
Post by: Darkmere on October 02, 2015, 05:05:50 pm
Post by: puke on October 02, 2015, 05:54:44 pm
*throws can in lava*
Its been done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W8o-YCYnmw
Post by: blazing glory on October 02, 2015, 11:13:02 pm
On one hand, I have a Remington 870, it uses shot, and these are its stats when loaded with shotgun slugs.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
On the other hand, I have an RM120c shotgun, it uses 20x66mm caseless as ammo, and these are its stats when loaded with 20x66mm buckshot.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So in theory it should be generally better then the Remington? With a bit more recoil making sustained fire difficult.
But it isn't, at point-blank the Remington scores Headshots and Critical hits with every shot, while the RM shotgun simply varies between average and Good hits, so what causes this?
The recoil is higher but I was under the understanding that recoil only affects shots after the first shot, and the first shot is just about the same as the rest when it comes to criticals.
Post by: Descan on October 03, 2015, 12:07:36 am
Post by: Darkmere on October 03, 2015, 12:28:52 am
Post by: blazing glory on October 03, 2015, 12:31:05 am
Are you taking time to aim and make precise shots?Eh, not really, but the Remington can crit with snap shots.
[I don't actually know but] Armour pierce maybe? It is only half of the other gun.Maybe, would make a certain degree of sense.
EDIT:
In general the rivtech guns are lighter and smaller than others, at the cost of performance. They make okay backup weapons but not terribly great main guns with a few exceptions.The Remington gun is actually my main gun with me taking the Rivtech gun for when I run out of ammo, carrying two shotguns is kinda stupid but I'm not yet at the point where I can cherry pick what guns I'm going to take and then have all the ammo I need for it.
I'm just trying to figure out why the Rivtech is worse in this case.
Post by: blazing glory on October 03, 2015, 12:41:25 am
Anyways, it's probably not Armor pierce, switched to slugs which also has 8 armor pierce and the results are pretty much the same.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 03, 2015, 12:44:57 am
Post by: blazing glory on October 03, 2015, 12:50:13 am
Sounds like a good time to break out the debug menuNot precisely sure what I'd do with it to be honest.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 03, 2015, 12:58:33 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 03, 2015, 01:00:38 am
With a bit more recoil making sustained fire difficult.If you get into a situation where sustained fire with a shotgun is necessary, you should just run.
The Remington gun is actually my main gunWell there's your problem. Shotguns are too noisy to use as a main gun; even a single shot will alert every zombie within a very large radius to your location.
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I'm just trying to figure out why the Rivtech is worse in this case.Slug ammo behaves differently from shot. A slug is one big bullet, while shot is many small pellets. I'm not sure if shot can crit at all, which would explain the disparity.
Personally, I would leave the 870 home to be used later in a dungeon crawl where noise doesn't matter, and carry the M120c as an emergency weapon, using a quieter one for general purposes.
Post by: blazing glory on October 03, 2015, 01:43:30 am
'Cept I'm not really having a problem, I'm just figuring stuff out about guns.The Remington gun is actually my main gunWell there's your problem...
Shotguns are too noisy to use as a main gun; even a single shot will alert every zombie within a very large radius to your location.And I have enough ammo to kill every zombie that comes along, and when I run out, I have more guns, and my car is nearby.
Sorry mate, I'm not yet at the point of "Paranoid Veteran", if I'm not shooting absolutely everything at all times then I'm probably running them all over with a car, so what if I only have a 30% survival rate past day 5, I have fun doing it, and past that point it becomes a bit easier to survive for a while until I die to Robots and stuff in a lab somewhere.
Slug ammo behaves differently from shot. A slug is one big bullet, while shot is many small pellets. I'm not sure if shot can crit at all, which would explain the disparity.I wasn't aware of any difference between the two existing in-game besides the stats, at any rate, 00 shot works for critting just as well as the slugs so that isn't the case.
Personally, I would leave the 870 home to be used later...Home is where the heart is, and keeping it in my trenchcoat works for that.
No offence, but I didn't ask for advice as to what kind guns I should take into battle, I'm pretty well set into my play-style regarding guns and that is using whatever gun I very well feel like, even if taking something smaller would be more practical.
Post by: Adragis on October 03, 2015, 01:53:32 am
Yeah, slugs never did me well either. 00 shot's lovely stuff.
...that's my contribution :L
Post by: Aseaheru on October 03, 2015, 02:16:54 am
There s way, way, way more than one sort of shot, so the chances of the rivitech caseless shot being the same as 00 is kinda slim.Slug ammo behaves differently from shot. A slug is one big bullet, while shot is many small pellets. I'm not sure if shot can crit at all, which would explain the disparity.I wasn't aware of any difference between the two existing in-game besides the stats, at any rate, 00 shot works for critting just as well as the slugs so that isn't the case.
And, to be a dick, heres all the kinds of shot I can find in the game.
Spoiler: Spoilered, because i'm not THAT big of a dick. I hope. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Rince Wind on October 03, 2015, 02:19:18 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 03, 2015, 02:23:44 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 03, 2015, 02:46:38 am
There was also a similar thing in .45, oddly enough. Probably wrecked the rifling.
Post by: teoleo on October 03, 2015, 05:12:53 am
Post by: n9103 on October 03, 2015, 09:16:05 am
.22 ratshot isn't shotgun ammo at all. It's basically a gunpowder-powered bullet-shaped BB, or a badly underloaded regular bullet for a varmint rifle.It wasn't a list of just shotgun ammo, but ammo that used shot, in this case meaning multiple sub-caliber pellets.
Buckshot (which is probally what you had in the rivitech. Buckshot =/= 00)Actually it is.
Buckshot refers to the general size of the target these are effective against.
i.e. In the context of the next smallest group, birdshot: Shot smaller than this wouldn't do enough damage to reliably kill at likely distances. Shot larger than this will do too much damage and destroying the meat, and/or not enough coverage to expect a hit at likely distances.
I'm well acquainted with this, but here's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_shot#Lead_shot_comparison_chart) a more verifiable source.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 03, 2015, 02:14:06 pm
Post by: beorn080 on October 03, 2015, 04:45:21 pm
I really liked the short version of the Rivtech shotgun. Only 2 bullets, but it fits in a pistol holster. Very good backup. But that was some versions back.The rivtech Shorty still exists. It is a wonderful thing. Just wished it counted as a shotgun, as I thought I could mount an underbarrel flamethrower on it and have a super weapon holstered.
Post by: BFEL on October 03, 2015, 04:55:30 pm
O.OI really liked the short version of the Rivtech shotgun. Only 2 bullets, but it fits in a pistol holster. Very good backup. But that was some versions back.The rivtech Shorty still exists. It is a wonderful thing. Just wished it counted as a shotgun, as I thought I could mount an underbarrel flamethrower on it and have a super weapon holstered.
wow...anyway, my first run that isn't proving nigh immediately fatal in this new download is somewhat worrying me. Playing a Quick Blackbelt in pretty much full firefighting gear, got a nice place for sleepytimes, and found a fuckheug stash of guns in a basement, but I have an infected head, and don't see any pharmacies on the map. WHAT DO?
Post by: Graknorke on October 03, 2015, 05:17:40 pm
Post by: blazing glory on October 03, 2015, 05:23:50 pm
Raid people's bathrooms? It usually works for me when I need medical supplies.^
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What he said, if you're persistent enough and willing to search about 20 houses, you'll eventually find a first aid kit in a bathroom.
Post by: guessingo on October 03, 2015, 05:37:40 pm
Post by: Akura on October 03, 2015, 06:46:31 pm
WHAT DO?
If you can't find disinfectant/first aid kit, find a knife(just about any knife will do) and a lighter or fire and prepare to scream like a little girl. (A)pply the knife, then proceed to scream like a little girl. A soldering iron works for this too. Note that this will not work if the wound is green, only blue.
Post by: Darkmere on October 03, 2015, 06:52:09 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 03, 2015, 11:20:39 pm
Post by: i2amroy on October 04, 2015, 12:20:29 am
how are the experiemental z-levels coming along? I saw a mod for that some time ago.The mod is a totally different implementation for what we are working on for z-levels. That said, the z-levels option (not mod) has been making some progress, albeit not quite as fast as before since we're reworking some of the more difficult bits of z-level code.
Post by: Orange Wizard on October 04, 2015, 05:52:24 am
Post by: BFEL on October 04, 2015, 07:36:03 am
Note that this will not work if the wound is green, only blue.Wound is green now.
Really wish I had known that still worked when it was just blue. Could have done so easily, but I was under the impression cauterizing did absolutely nothing for infection anymore :(
Post by: Sindain on October 04, 2015, 09:09:32 am
Post by: blazing glory on October 04, 2015, 09:17:16 am
Post by: BigD145 on October 04, 2015, 09:45:16 am
Well cauterizing has like a 50% chance of just immediately setting it to green so its never a particularly appealing option. But yeah, now you have to get your hands on some antibiotics or royal jelly or you're screwed.
Isn't that better odds than doing nothing? You kinda need antibiotics at any level of infection if you don't want to die.
Post by: Sindain on October 04, 2015, 10:12:06 am
Well cauterizing has like a 50% chance of just immediately setting it to green so its never a particularly appealing option. But yeah, now you have to get your hands on some antibiotics or royal jelly or you're screwed.
Isn't that better odds than doing nothing? You kinda need antibiotics at any level of infection if you don't want to die.
Well yeah, its better than nothing, but finding some disinfectant is a much better option than rolling the dice with cauterizing.
Post by: BFEL on October 04, 2015, 10:37:55 am
Post by: beorn080 on October 04, 2015, 10:58:41 am
Didn't matter, add "Shocker Brutes" to the list of things that are bullshit instant death now.They really aren't. Just find a window, hide from it until it moves into the frame, then beat with cudgel. Ideally find one of the several armors that protects against electric attacks, but not required. They're certainly harder then regular brutes, but still doable. Something of a weak mix between hulks and tank drones.
Post by: BFEL on October 04, 2015, 11:03:18 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 04, 2015, 11:20:08 am
Post by: beorn080 on October 04, 2015, 12:07:46 pm
Post by: ShinQuickMan on October 04, 2015, 05:06:09 pm
Post by: Cheedows on October 04, 2015, 05:10:00 pm
I was playing a quick black belt and got instagibbed in full armor. His first attack threw me about ten tiles. FUCK. THAT.
Yeah if you aren't careful brutes can easily instakill you by throwing you through a wall.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on October 04, 2015, 05:31:58 pm
when are we gonna get craftable ones?
Post by: BFEL on October 04, 2015, 05:44:58 pm
And then tremorsworms attacked the wasps, so the outskirts now look like a fucking warzone. Burnt down two forest tiles next to the shelter to get rid of a spiderweb and then blobs, but the blobs keep coming, so the shelter ALSO looks like a fucking warzone.
I spawned in the middle of bugwars. WTF GAME?
Post by: SalmonGod on October 04, 2015, 07:07:33 pm
Post by: BigD145 on October 04, 2015, 11:33:28 pm
Wow I am having the SHITTIEST luck with starts. Newest game as a historical reenactor my evac shelter is apparently right next to a blob spawning ground or something, even though that's not shown on the map in any way whatsoever. Not only that, but the town nearby is filled with giant wasps for some reason.Sounds normal. Wasp towns happen.
And then tremorsworms attacked the wasps, so the outskirts now look like a fucking warzone. Burnt down two forest tiles next to the shelter to get rid of a spiderweb and then blobs, but the blobs keep coming, so the shelter ALSO looks like a fucking warzone.
I spawned in the middle of bugwars. WTF GAME?
Post by: Adragis on October 04, 2015, 11:36:25 pm
so that one robo-cop profession starts with something like a "cyber shield"It's basically a police badge in the shape of a shield. No actual shield :ap
when are we gonna get craftable ones?
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 05, 2015, 01:07:51 am
Wow I am having the SHITTIEST luck with starts. Newest game as a historical reenactor my evac shelter is apparently right next to a blob spawning ground or something, even though that's not shown on the map in any way whatsoever. Not only that, but the town nearby is filled with giant wasps for some reason.I would recommend relocating about 25 map tiles to a direction of your choice.
And then tremorsworms attacked the wasps, so the outskirts now look like a fucking warzone. Burnt down two forest tiles next to the shelter to get rid of a spiderweb and then blobs, but the blobs keep coming, so the shelter ALSO looks like a fucking warzone.
I spawned in the middle of bugwars. WTF GAME?
Post by: azmodean on October 05, 2015, 01:43:04 am
Buckshot refers to the general size of the target these are effective against.trivia: The point where it turns from "birdshot" to "buckshot" is when "you have to stack them in a certain pattern to make them fit instead of just pouring them in the shell".
The More You Know♒★
Post by: Sheb on October 06, 2015, 07:37:50 am
Buckshot refers to the general size of the target these are effective against.trivia: The point where it turns from "birdshot" to "buckshot" is when "you have to stack them in a certain pattern to make them fit instead of just pouring them in the shell".
The More You Know♒★
So a given size of shot can be birdshot in a 12-gauge shotgun and buckshot in a 20-gauge shotgun? This make exactly zero sense.
Post by: TempAcc on October 06, 2015, 07:57:05 am
Here's a visual comparison of common 12 gauge ammo:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Note: There are several variations of birdshot, with larger or smaller pellets. It stops being considered birdshot when the pellets get to about 0.240" in diameter, which is the smallest size of buckshot, IIRC. The largest birdshot I know is about 0.190" in diameter, which is pretty large for birdshot.
Post by: azmodean on October 06, 2015, 10:37:23 pm
On second look, it's [Citation Needed], but no one seems to be disputing it.
Post by: Salmeuk on October 07, 2015, 06:46:25 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell#Buckshot
On second look, it's [Citation Needed], but no one seems to be disputing it.
I mean if you're serious about the discussion, Wikipedia is never a reliable source. It gets some things right, but the etymology of birdshot vs. buckshot is probably missing / not the full story.
Post by: ZeroGravitas on October 07, 2015, 09:29:39 am
That said, the z-levels option (not mod) has been making some progress, albeit not quite as fast as before since we're reworking some of the more difficult bits of z-level code.
Well, good luck with it. I'm looking forward to playing it again once the z-levels are in.
Post by: azmodean on October 07, 2015, 10:47:19 pm
I mean if you're serious about the discussion, Wikipedia is never a reliable source.Considering the fact that no one has cited a source other than wikipedia, this is evidently not a serious discussion :)
Post by: Greiger on October 08, 2015, 12:09:17 am
Post by: Tnx on October 08, 2015, 01:30:42 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell#Buckshot
On second look, it's [Citation Needed], but no one seems to be disputing it.
I mean if you're serious about the discussion, Wikipedia is never a reliable source. It gets some things right, but the etymology of birdshot vs. buckshot is probably missing / not the full story.
Care to enlighten us?
Post by: duckman on October 09, 2015, 01:21:04 am
Post by: i2amroy on October 09, 2015, 10:50:27 am
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Buck Shot, large - 0.388"This looks like a pretty clear case of "buckshot" originally being "buck shot" and "birdshot" being a combined size range of several types of various bird shots. It's a simple case of something that was once commonly used to hunt a specific animal being mashed together into a single word, no apparent tricks there. (Note: I'm not saying anything about hunting practices now, I'm talking about practices hundreds of years ago; it's irrelevant if you don't use buckshot to hunt bucks anymore, it's only important that they once did.)
Buck Shot, small - 0.349"
Grape, for musket - 0.318"
Swan - 0.266"
Goose - 0.231"
Duck - 0.207"
B.B. - 0.183"
B. - 0.157"
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 09, 2015, 12:48:53 pm
Buckshot would probably be the best option for hunting humanoids, especially zombies where heavy trauma is really important.
Post by: Werdna on October 09, 2015, 01:56:35 pm
Speaking of shotguns, I found a Kel-Tec KSG. Based on the hulls lying all over the place, I'm going to guess that the second tube doesn't use the mods you've installed for some reason.
I've been using one for awhile, but I can't figure out how to load/switch between tubes.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 09, 2015, 02:53:36 pm
Rather, it normally is
Post by: duckman on October 09, 2015, 03:38:23 pm
Post by: BFEL on October 09, 2015, 04:05:29 pm
The second tube should load as long as you either have another type of ammo to (r) load into it or are at the maximum capacity for the first tube. You can also load the second tube directly by (F) switching to it first, but that's kind of buggy since you don't seem to have a limit to how many shells you can put into it.
"Why are you moving so slowly Bob? You're literally naked and only carrying that shotgun"
*Zombear Legion attacks*
*Bob fires 7000 shots*
Post by: azmodean on October 10, 2015, 12:31:19 am
This looks like a pretty clear case of "buckshot" originally being "buck shot" and "birdshot" being a combined size range of several types of various bird shots.There seems to be some misunderstanding, "where the name came from" and "the rule of thumb to decide which is which" don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. It seems pretty likely that Buck-shot is "shot you hunt buck with", especially when it's accompanied with "birdshot" "ratshot" et all. However that doesn't say anything about where to draw the line between the two.
Post by: BFEL on October 10, 2015, 09:09:05 am
However that doesn't say anything about where to draw the line between the two.In between the shells obviously!
Post by: rumpel on October 10, 2015, 05:02:14 pm
Post by: Akura on October 10, 2015, 05:22:49 pm
Yeah, mmkay. I just found a misshapen fetus in a trash can of a restaurant.Odd. I would have expected you to find one in a toilet at a school.
Post by: Gentlefish on October 10, 2015, 07:30:28 pm
Yeah, mmkay. I just found a misshapen fetus in a trash can of a restaurant.
I dare you to eat it.
Post by: Graknorke on October 10, 2015, 07:46:24 pm
I'll give you half a pack of Rolos if you do.Yeah, mmkay. I just found a misshapen fetus in a trash can of a restaurant.I dare you to eat it.
Post by: swordsmith04 on October 11, 2015, 03:17:30 pm
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Getting out of bed doesn't seem too hard today. You could get used to this!mean? Is it just flavour for surviving a certain length of time? I got it when my character woke up on day 12.
...Also, I've been running around for a week with my right arm at [:....] after getting shot by a tank drone. Fixable yes/no?
Post by: Descan on October 11, 2015, 03:44:42 pm
It'd be cool if there were bionic prosthetic limbs though.
Post by: Gentlefish on October 11, 2015, 03:45:52 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 11, 2015, 03:48:17 pm
It'd be cool if there were bionic prosthetic limbs though.
There sorta are, but I agree.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on October 11, 2015, 04:38:33 pm
What does the messageQuoteGetting out of bed doesn't seem too hard today. You could get used to this!mean? Is it just flavour for surviving a certain length of time? I got it when my character woke up on day 12.
That's an indicator on your character's hidden health stat. Better health gives more positive messages, while poor health will, of course, display negative messages.
Post by: rumpel on October 11, 2015, 04:40:13 pm
Post by: Baffler on October 11, 2015, 05:19:09 pm
Post by: scrdest on October 11, 2015, 05:25:13 pm
Do it man, it's got some [Redacted] in it that'll give your genes a real pick-me-up. I ate one I found in a big glass tank deep in a lab once, and I gained super strength because of it. It also gave me [Redacted] and [Redacted], but the trade was well worth it.Cataclysm: The game where eating abortions from trash cans in abandoned fast food joints gives you superpowers! Realiiiismmmm!
Post by: azmodean on October 11, 2015, 06:32:03 pm
You've fallen for the illuminati's trap, they hide their experiments in plain sight! Well technically inside a trashcan, but you know what I mean.Do it man, it's got some [Redacted] in it that'll give your genes a real pick-me-up. I ate one I found in a big glass tank deep in a lab once, and I gained super strength because of it. It also gave me [Redacted] and [Redacted], but the trade was well worth it.Cataclysm: The game where eating abortions from trash cans in abandoned fast food joints gives you superpowers! Realiiiismmmm!
Post by: duckman on October 11, 2015, 10:52:54 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on October 12, 2015, 07:09:31 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 12, 2015, 07:54:32 am
Post by: BigD145 on October 12, 2015, 08:07:25 am
Post by: Sheb on October 12, 2015, 10:29:03 am
Post by: Majestic7 on October 12, 2015, 11:11:56 am
Mind you, I'm not advocating for this kind of system, I was just asking.
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 12, 2015, 01:59:16 pm
Post by: dv on October 12, 2015, 02:17:59 pm
Do weapon materials matter, other than for conducting electricity (hi, shocker brutes)? Like are there pandimensional creatures you can only hurt with silver, onyx or obsidian?It also determines weapon durability
Post by: Aseaheru on October 12, 2015, 03:11:50 pm
Another alternative would be predictable behaviour. For example, werewolves could only come out every seventh night, and be absent anytime else. The player would simply have to carry silver for that specific night, or stay safe inside. And hope that NPC they recruited isn't a werewolf.There are moon cycles allready in game...
Post by: Majestic7 on October 13, 2015, 04:21:43 am
There are moon cycles allready in game...
1. Catch lycanthropy, full moon comes along
2. ???
3. Wake up after having skipped a night, covered in blood, naked and middle of a forest
Alternatively:
3. Wake up after a blackout, having trashed your own shelter.
Prepared alternative:
3. Put yourself in chains in a cellar, wake up bruised, realize you've forgot the key, starve to death.
Post by: Rince Wind on October 13, 2015, 01:46:38 pm
Post by: Kaitol on October 14, 2015, 09:17:28 pm
Ok, done getting carried away and dreaming now. And why would it need to be in a mod? You can turn into a giant mutant bear/elf that can fight the minions of Cthulu hand to hand in the middle of a nuclear crater while an endless sea of goo slowly advances across the landscape. Some form of psuedo-vampirism/lycanthropy is hardly out of the question, just make it a form of mutagenic serum so people get to choose if it happens to them, then add a mod/option that adds them in as random really rare diseases you can catch ambiently/from something.
Ok, really done dreaming now.
Post by: Majestic7 on October 15, 2015, 12:18:20 am
That being said, it would be a huge change to the game world, so I wouldn't put it in - unless it was just one special compound you can find, with survivors led by a vampire. Then maybe you could get turned by the head guy if you do enough quests for him, which would come with its new set of problems.
Post by: Sheb on October 15, 2015, 03:58:34 am
Post by: BFEL on October 15, 2015, 04:03:43 am
Hunting become much more satisfying when your prey has a shotgun.BRB teaching deer to shotgun
Post by: i2amroy on October 15, 2015, 12:00:27 pm
It's not quite a shotgun, but it would be a relatively simple change to give deer the turret special and some ammo. :PHunting become much more satisfying when your prey has a shotgun.BRB teaching deer to shotgun
Post by: duckman on October 15, 2015, 07:54:18 pm
Oh, I know that game.It's not quite a shotgun, but it would be a relatively simple change to give deer the turret special and some ammo. :PHunting become much more satisfying when your prey has a shotgun.BRB teaching deer to shotgun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Avenger
Post by: Rilder on October 15, 2015, 08:23:07 pm
Oh, I know that game.It's not quite a shotgun, but it would be a relatively simple change to give deer the turret special and some ammo. :PHunting become much more satisfying when your prey has a shotgun.BRB teaching deer to shotgun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Avenger
HURRRK NOSTALGIA, IT GOT ME.
I have distant but fond memories of the first 3 of those games.
Post by: duckman on October 19, 2015, 09:36:15 pm
Also, is the ruger 10/22 supposed to do less damage than the .22 pistols? Because something seems off about that.
Post by: Darkmere on October 19, 2015, 11:11:57 pm
Warmth is only expressed as a total on the right in relation to ambient temp I believe.
Post by: Darkmere on October 20, 2015, 03:19:22 am
Is there some buggy shit going on with advanced inventory management or carts or something? I was reorganizing my house and just... fucking lost every single bullet, arrow, and 130 hydrogen that I've gotten this entire game. I have nothing left.
I never left the house and I've crawled over every inch of the place three times. Just gone. All of it. Thin fucking air.
Post by: Baffler on October 20, 2015, 02:04:38 pm
Post by: i2amroy on October 20, 2015, 03:23:31 pm
Do the zombie grabs immobilize you completely, or what? I just had one of my longest running characters ever get swarmed and killed by regular zombies, from full health, wearing an armored NBC suit without even getting a chance to move. He wasn't terribly encumbered, and he's got decent speed, dodge, and unarmed skills.Last I knew your chance of breaking free was based on your STR, but I haven't had a chance to look at that particular bit of code for quite a while so it might have changed.
Post by: Baffler on October 20, 2015, 07:29:09 pm
Do the zombie grabs immobilize you completely, or what? I just had one of my longest running characters ever get swarmed and killed by regular zombies, from full health, wearing an armored NBC suit without even getting a chance to move. He wasn't terribly encumbered, and he's got decent speed, dodge, and unarmed skills.Last I knew your chance of breaking free was based on your STR, but I haven't had a chance to look at that particular bit of code for quite a while so it might have changed.
If it is strength that might explain it, I'd brought him down to seven in chargen and he had a cold at the time (eating nothing but buckwheat flour, water, wild herbs/vegetables, bushmeat, and mixtures thereof probably isn't great for one's health.) I'm still sad to see him go though, 2 years is a damn sight longer than most of my characters last.
Post by: BigD145 on October 21, 2015, 11:37:45 am
Post by: i2amroy on October 21, 2015, 11:55:51 am
One and two handed wielding? When did that go in? I see on the git that some items need to be wielded two handed and are potentially too heavy for one handed.It's been in for years now AFAIK. Last I saw it was just more of a basic "if an item is over X volume/other requirements then you need to have two fully working hands to use it" type of thing, not like damage bonuses and offhand stuff and whatnot yet.
Post by: BigD145 on October 21, 2015, 12:29:37 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 21, 2015, 01:12:12 pm
Post by: n9103 on October 21, 2015, 03:06:10 pm
or having a blaster arm?Can attest to this having an effect, and is pretty much the main reason I never go for the arm blasters.
Sucks not having access to rifles when clearing out a city.
Suppose it's not too big a deal before that point, due to likely not having enough upper-tier ammo, but I aim for the long haul.
Post by: MrWiggles on October 21, 2015, 07:24:54 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 21, 2015, 08:04:56 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 22, 2015, 11:38:34 pm
Post by: BigD145 on October 23, 2015, 12:54:33 am
Post by: Adragis on October 23, 2015, 01:02:11 am
Post by: Tnx on October 23, 2015, 01:06:44 am
Post by: Darkmere on October 23, 2015, 03:12:02 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 23, 2015, 09:50:07 am
Jeans, though. Jeans, chinos, khakis and other strong-weave clothing items actually have some protective value. This is partially because they're thicker, which means more padding and therefore more distribution of force (even if it's only a little bit better than a T-shirt, it's still enough to make a difference), and it's also because they're built to be really, really hard to damage in the first place. With a thick, strong pattern and, in the case of jeans, rivets at key points to hold better than thread, these kinds of clothes can weather the storm and help you weather them, too.
As for the relative lack of value of armor, perhaps there should be some more enemies that have ways of dealing with dodging? Dragons with breath cones comes to mind, but I'm not sure that kind of fantastic element would fit. Unless it was some kind of tailored mutagen or something.
Post by: beorn080 on October 23, 2015, 12:27:42 pm
Post by: Teneb on October 23, 2015, 02:09:47 pm
As for the relative lack of value of armor, perhaps there should be some more enemies that have ways of dealing with dodging? Dragons with breath cones comes to mind, but I'm not sure that kind of fantastic element would fit. Unless it was some kind of tailored mutagen or something.Since there are mutant zombies anyway, a zombie with some kind of breath weapon wouldn't be too outlandish. Corrosive liquid that is enough to get through cloth but not proper armour (no idea how feasible this is)?
EDIT: I guess there is the spitter zombie already, but I was thinking of something that did not leave puddles, or very few, on the ground and instead just attacked in a cone, making it harder to dodge.
Post by: Werdna on October 23, 2015, 02:31:06 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 23, 2015, 03:37:37 pm
Carpet armor... Thats an awesome idea...
Post by: Rince Wind on October 23, 2015, 06:29:50 pm
Post by: Rilder on October 23, 2015, 08:55:47 pm
Carpet armor... Thats an awesome idea...
They will have to add drape armour as well then...so the carpet can match the drapes... :P
Post by: Teneb on October 23, 2015, 09:08:26 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 23, 2015, 09:45:58 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on October 25, 2015, 12:26:05 am
Yeah try biting or clawing through a T-shirt with your fingernails. It's not terribly easy with just one layer, let alone a jacket or something sturdy.
Definitely true; I should have specified that it feels odd from a balance perspective rather than a realism one. Invariably, by the time I'm ever in a place where I can afford to specifically seek out or make actual armour, I don't need it any more because my dodge skill or offensive options are high enough that it's just no longer necessary. I haven't gotten around to trying it yet, but I suspect removing the protection value of regular clothing might provide a good early reason to craft and use things like leather armour, as well as making things a bit more exciting in small-scale fights in the early game.
Unless things have changed a LOT since I last played, armour is pretty essential. I've played runs as a dandy wearing only fancy clothes and it was hard. Oh, I could rip through zombies like nobodies business, but I was still super fragile while doing it. The Dodge skill can only be trained to 3 easily and even reinforced clothing can only take a few direct hits before losing any meaningful armour bonus. Plus, IIRC, you only get a few reaction dodges per turn without dipping into martial arts. Fighting more then one zombie will still let one land a hit or too. Something like a leather duster or trenchcoat might take respectable, but those take as much effort as leather armour anyways. You can shrug off most smaller hordes of normal zombies with a smattering of the weaker ones, but the HUGE hordes, like you see in malls, will wear you down. And brutes, hulks and bio-operators will beat the shit out of you regardless. But where armour REALLY shines is bullets. Wearing reinforced survivor armour or a reinforced MBR vest compared to a reinforced trenchcoat over a reinforced dress shirt is the difference between getting your torso health halved or reduced by 1/3 and potentially instakilled[Albeit only if you're REALLY unlucky. Usually you end up at : or \ torso health instead] in one turn. Without special bionics, you can't dodge bullets. Mid tier armour can't stop them like power armour can, but it can mitigate them by a noticeable margin. You might be right in that leather armour and the other low to mid tier armours need a bit of a buff, especially since you're giving up trenchcoat storage for them.
Although it should probably be noted that I usually go full melee and use only shotguns and grenades for emergencies. Adding high powered rifles might change the above by a fair bit.
Post by: Graknorke on October 25, 2015, 09:12:39 am
Post by: Adragis on October 27, 2015, 05:50:12 am
Possible mod/update idea: Safemode only works on hostiles?
Post by: BigD145 on October 27, 2015, 08:17:23 am
I don't think there is, although it should be relatively easy to do stuff to dog JSON files.
Possible mod/update idea: Safemode only works on hostiles?
Not all entities are hostile at all ranges when you first meet them. Not all entities notice you when you first see them. Dogs can go hostile on you if they sense fear or weakness. Moose get pissed off when you get close.
Post by: DreamThorn on October 27, 2015, 09:27:53 am
- Mitigated - Elastic materials (e.g. Kevlar™) deflect a little bit of damage without getting damaged.
- Absorbed - The armor absorbs some of the shock and is damaged in your stead.
- Injuring - Your body absorbs a limited amount of damage, based on which body part was hit, what kind of attack it was etc.
- Wasted - The remaining damage could be passed on to something behind the target, if it makes sense for the attack type.
A t-shirt won't mitigate damage, but will absorb a little damage; since it has low durability it wears out quickly.
Armor-piercing ammo does a lot of damage, but your body doesn't absorb it very well, so it is not much more effective on an unarmored target than an armored one. However, you could shoot through targets.
A long spear also benefits from this, allowing you to skewer two zombies at the same time, however, your spear will become stuck.
Post by: IronTomato on October 27, 2015, 10:05:40 am
Post by: beorn080 on October 27, 2015, 10:11:05 am
About the idea of a shopping cart with an engine and a steering wheel that I talked about on here a long time ago, has anyone actually done that yet? I tried to do it once, but I got lazy and gave up before I found everything I needed.Large electric motor, solar panel, and a steering wheel. Thing was hilarious and extremely peppy.
Post by: BigD145 on October 27, 2015, 10:26:40 am
About the idea of a shopping cart with an engine and a steering wheel that I talked about on here a long time ago, has anyone actually done that yet? I tried to do it once, but I got lazy and gave up before I found everything I needed.Large electric motor, solar panel, and a steering wheel. Thing was hilarious and extremely peppy.
Probably best to have the 'x' out front while driving so you know which way is the front.
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 27, 2015, 11:12:26 am
...incoming damage would end up being split four ways...Add one more: knockback. Whether by natural reflexes, the power of the attack, or the skill of the target, things usually recoil/stumble/stagger/roll/fly back when hit, which reduces injuries by spreading the force over a longer distance. Maybe this could fit in the "Wasted" category, actually.
Post by: DreamThorn on October 28, 2015, 01:47:01 am
I'd have to think about the calculation a bit. It'd probably be affected by the armor material and the total amount of unwasted damage.
Post by: Majestic7 on October 28, 2015, 02:03:49 am
Post by: Akura on October 28, 2015, 03:47:45 pm
Post by: scrdest on October 28, 2015, 05:14:26 pm
They are a huge, mazelike structure featuring some powerful enemies (which was since way toned down by comparison since overworld got things like upgrading zombies and stupid instadeath drones) - and still, containing charmers like Bio-Operators, Turrets and Netherworlders, plus all the high tech traps and locks only some highly kitted out characters can beat, plus on top of it all the temperature drop forcing you to be equipped well enough to survive it...
And what you get in exchange is some of the most powerful items in the game - top of the line books, bionics and bmutagen, off the top of my head. Classic high-level dungeon structure.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 28, 2015, 05:20:45 pm
Post by: Graknorke on October 28, 2015, 08:39:14 pm
Post by: Darkmere on October 28, 2015, 09:29:25 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 29, 2015, 12:53:26 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 29, 2015, 03:01:14 am
Post by: pisskop on October 29, 2015, 08:30:34 am
what are experimental zlevels?
Post by: BigD145 on October 29, 2015, 08:34:52 am
Post by: pisskop on October 29, 2015, 10:11:41 am
The NPC takes my bottle of gin in trade for fresh meat and fish. The fish rots as soon as I touch it.
Then, a zombie kid walks in through a window. He shoots it, and I get the guilt.
Post by: BigD145 on October 29, 2015, 10:25:29 am
Post by: Zireael on October 29, 2015, 01:08:15 pm
I'm currently moping at a farm cuz there's a f*cking moose just outside. Argh. Have I mentioned I hate moose?
In other news, trying to update my fork so that I can contribute again.
Post by: Descan on October 29, 2015, 01:24:24 pm
In other news, trying to update my fork so that I can contribute again.I hear the latest model has FIVE prongs!
Post by: Graknorke on October 29, 2015, 03:27:44 pm
Spider nests are hilariously vulnerable to some Arachnophobia-style burnings. It's not so fun when there's a metal and ceramic container of something explosive around though. I didn't get to see what it was but it did deafen my character for an hour, so it must have been pretty big. Bug bits everywhere.
What are drilling tools useful for? The wiki doesn't say.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 29, 2015, 04:02:43 pm
Then, a zombie kid walks in through a window. He shoots it, and I get the guilt.Yah, thats a bug that is known. Dunno if anyone is gonna go and try fixing it though.
Post by: pisskop on October 29, 2015, 09:13:17 pm
pedit: Lul Shia Lebeouf. I dont really ever play junkies. Codene and cocaine is about the extent of my characters drug use. I guess alcohol?
ppedit: spending the day in a house in the city is annoying. Zombies always trying to spawn on other zombies, shriekers yelling randomly, zombies destrying crap outside because they stumble into it on accident . . . A boomer died for some reason, its annoying.
Post by: duckman on October 31, 2015, 03:02:29 am
Post by: pisskop on October 31, 2015, 02:27:14 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 31, 2015, 02:37:00 pm
Post by: Yoink on October 31, 2015, 11:09:56 pm
Post by: miauw62 on November 01, 2015, 11:08:01 am
Lazycat was right whales did 9/11 cdda maintainers = lizards confirmed. :P
Post by: pisskop on November 01, 2015, 11:33:30 am
zlevels.
Know what DF-style continuous zlevels mean?
Caccodemons
it means slow moving clumsy death from plasma that is also slow moving
Does plasma fired from a ball start fire? could I implement a script to simply fry what it hit?
It also means rooftop sniping and firefights and more compkex scentmaps and LoS.
And no more 100% safe basements. And grabloid tunnels. And high jump mechanics.
And somebody make a Enemy Unknown mod
Post by: Akura on November 01, 2015, 11:33:53 am
Are Z-levels still not a thing?
Lazycat was right whales did 9/11 cdda maintainers = lizards confirmed. :P
Experimental z-levels mod is buggy. The real thing can be found in the options. Praise Coolthulhu!
I haven't played in a long while, so I cannot confirm for certain. C:DDA may or may not run well on my netbook(main PC still dead), so I'll give it a shot.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2015, 11:51:23 am
Post by: BigD145 on November 01, 2015, 11:52:05 am
Are Z-levels still not a thing?
Lazycat was right whales did 9/11 cdda maintainers = lizards confirmed. :PExperimental z-levels mod is buggy. The real thing can be found in the options. Praise Coolthulhu!
I haven't played in a long while, so I cannot confirm for certain. C:DDA may or may not run well on my netbook(main PC still dead), so I'll give it a shot.
Run well? What do you mean? It's turn-based.
Post by: miauw62 on November 01, 2015, 11:53:09 am
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2015, 11:55:10 am
Also, no cross-z-level fighting yet, despite being able to see most of what is on the lower level.
Post by: pisskop on November 01, 2015, 12:10:59 pm
An underwater seadome.
Cthulian monster of the deeps.
Labyrinths that are labyrnthian.
Malls.
Giant mechanized robots rising from the ground after having been long buried.
water flow mechanics.
Journey to the center of the Earth type vehicles and monsters and layers.
Fortified outposts with watchtowers and trenches lined with traps.
WWII mod ^^. with zombies.
Anyway, I did some minor tweaking to the spawning of zoms. I reduced the frequency of many special
Ive been keeping a loose log of the events of my character in this new world. Hes the first, and been alive for a total of 2 weeks now, living in a mansion or out of his car. Im impressed with how fleshed out the dialogue text with the NPCs is, even if its not as functional as it could be. Very impressed with how buildings are larger and sometimes seem more sensibly placed.
Sounds fun.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2015, 12:15:02 pm
Post by: BigD145 on November 01, 2015, 12:29:51 pm
This just in: Most structures dont have a roof yet with the Z-Levels. Which is... Interesting.
They have roofs when you decide to take down load bearing walls (which is all of them).
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2015, 12:49:30 pm
As in, they are sheltered from rain adn the like (the [roof] and the [indoors] tags) but when you go up there is no roof, or even floors.
Which can do odd things like falling down through the open spaces on the second floor down into the first floor.
Post by: BigD145 on November 01, 2015, 12:52:07 pm
Post by: Akura on November 01, 2015, 01:36:37 pm
Post by: BigD145 on November 01, 2015, 01:41:24 pm
Damn fascist graphics version.
Post by: pisskop on November 01, 2015, 01:42:42 pm
I saw a military humvee by an ant mound. The ants are hostile to me and basically everything in the area; killing moose, zom, and giant spiders. Nothing is getting to me and the humvee through the ants.
The ants oc want my blood too; but the difference is they can't smash my car. I pulled it adjacent to the humvee and began gutting it so that there was no path to me. However, a spider and now an ant have spawned/gotten inside somehow. How?
Can critters spawn in plain sight on the ground left as I removed the frame?
pedt:
I cant stand the idea of using a graphics pack. ASCII
Also here, a visual
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2015, 02:54:13 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 01, 2015, 02:58:38 pm
No, they were in the humvee. and I couldnt climb out of either my car or the humvee without opening a door and nothign ever came in unless I was removing something from the humvee.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2015, 03:02:10 pm
Where there any boards that where missing on the Humvee? That could have done it. When they are missing completly, and if the frame is the same shape as the missing bit, its almost impossible to tell that its missing.
Post by: pisskop on November 01, 2015, 03:05:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If they can climb on vehicles, then I was removing the whole inside, so . . .
But because I hallucinate so much I usually ignore things attacking me or being seen unless I take damage or its a huge threat. They attacked from the south, in the humvee. The humvee is completely sealed off from the outside unless you can open doors or smash.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2015, 03:43:17 pm
Post by: n9103 on November 01, 2015, 04:31:19 pm
Not often I've ever seen a random car of any sort without at least one broken window.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2015, 04:32:55 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 01, 2015, 05:08:24 pm
I tried to use the extinquisher, but It went up fast and hard. This is after I moved half my crap inside for storage, and after I shot a guy in the face because he tried to rob me, so now I have that obnoxious -100 moral on top of my addiction to booze.
Post by: Greiger on November 01, 2015, 08:01:54 pm
Also a surprising amount of stuff seems to be able to survive hellish infernos like that. May want to come back with a shovel sometime and see what you can salvage.
Post by: Graknorke on November 01, 2015, 08:09:55 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 01, 2015, 11:55:25 pm
Spoiler: Chronicles, the quick notes for the story. (click to show/hide)
And some pics, that may or may not be referenced in the notes.
Spoiler: 01, Tom on Fire (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 02, my stats (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 08 Tankbot goes on a rampage (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 11 Dogs everywhere (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 14 Opps my mansion (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 016 Booze Free (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 17 Nighttime arson (click to show/hide)
This is day 21 now, and the lasty day of summer. A week for every RL month.
Post by: Zireael on November 02, 2015, 03:20:50 pm
Post by: Akura on November 02, 2015, 07:24:49 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 03, 2015, 04:14:00 pm
Post by: Greiger on November 03, 2015, 04:41:08 pm
How do I scroll down when I view an item in my inventory. Say a gun with several mods that scroll off the screen or a huge book full of crafting recipes.Quoting since I want to know the answer to this too.
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I just discovered that grass is able to catch fire on it's own without any items in the tile. A cooking fire outside of my house very rapidly started spreading to adjacent tiles while making scrambled eggs. Seems I tossed a bit too much garbage and it got up to a light red fire level and started spreading.
Fortunately despite not having a fire extinguisher I remembered some cool behavior from probably a year ago and started dumping bottles of water on the spreading fire. And....it actually worked. I guess the cata devs thought of everything. The water either weakened the fires or put them out entirely.
Good job devs :)
Post by: n9103 on November 03, 2015, 04:43:54 pm
IIRC, < > [ ] and PgUp PgDn are used for scrolling in different screens.How do I scroll down when I view an item in my inventory. Say a gun with several mods that scroll off the screen or a huge book full of crafting recipes.Quoting since I want to know the answer to this too.
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I just discovered that grass is able to catch fire on it's own without any items in the tile. A cooking fire outside of my house very rapidly started spreading to adjacent tiles while making scrambled eggs. Seems I tossed a bit too much garbage and it got up to a light red fire level and started spreading.
Fortunately despite not having a fire extinguisher I remembered some cool behavior from probably a year ago and started throwing water on the spreading fire. And....it actually worked. I guess the cata devs thought of everything. The water either weakened the fires or put them out entirely.
Good job devs :)
It's not/wasn't really consistent, but one of those sets of keys was responsive in almost all cases. (Viewing an item on 'e' pickup was an exception I think.)
Post by: Aseaheru on November 03, 2015, 04:55:06 pm
Post by: Greiger on November 03, 2015, 04:58:49 pm
(Also seems the fire spreads to raw dirt as well. I cut all the grass around it and it still spread.)
Post by: Aseaheru on November 03, 2015, 05:08:44 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 03, 2015, 05:12:58 pm
At home, You should dig pits, and keep any loose flammable things away.
The game spawns a firepit by putting rocks around a bush. I wonder if that would work?
Post by: i2amroy on November 03, 2015, 06:32:52 pm
The game spawns a firepit by putting rocks around a bush. I wonder if that would work?That's just old-school decorative code from back before actual firepits (which I believe exist now, maybe? can't seem to remember) were coded in. It doesn't actually do anything.
Odd. I suggest using smaller fires with less fuel, they spread far less.This is almost certainly the problem; the idea in the code is basically that if a fire is burning large enough (ala bonfire) then it will "spill over" into nearby tiles, regardless of what the tiles are. This is also why if two houses are close together, but still have a gap between them of asphalt or whatever, the second house can still go up in flames just from it's proximity to the first house.
Post by: Greiger on November 03, 2015, 10:52:36 pm
Moot point anyway now. I made a stone shovel and dug an actual firepit, as well as found a survivor mess kit and some lamp oil.
Post by: pisskop on November 04, 2015, 12:58:03 pm
Because I got back and there was incredibly minor damage done to it for having been surrounded. And That crowd wasn't there when I left, there's only a fire department nearby.
Im trying to set up a set of rules for spawning, because. I had to juke and juve them from the car so I could get in.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Darkling Wolf on November 04, 2015, 03:02:33 pm
Post by: Akura on November 04, 2015, 05:47:22 pm
So, About those spawns. It seems the game moved the wanderers to my vehicle, and they spawnd while I was out looting for a specific set of books?
As far as I know, wandering spawns gravitate towards sounds(a single gunshot or a car engine can bring them from quite a distance in my experience), but the zombies will spawn only within a certain distance. My guess is somewhere between 3-5 maptiles of your character.
Post by: pisskop on November 04, 2015, 08:12:39 pm
I seem to have a . . . problem. I found an artifact
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Pedit:
Also, Ive begun experimenting with using power, which I typically haven't done outside my vehicles light source and the occassional burner. What can/should I be trying to do with my shopping carts mounted with solar panels?
Post by: Akura on November 04, 2015, 09:10:54 pm
Pedit:
Also, Ive begun experimenting with using power, which I typically haven't done outside my vehicles light source and the occassional burner. What can/should I be trying to do with my shopping carts mounted with solar panels?
A recharging station can allow you stash electronics with rechargable battery mods for recharging. You can a lot of other tools, such as a vehicle welding rig or forge as well.
As for that artifact... I dunno. The wiki, though outdated, may have better information. I try to stay away from those things.
Spoiler: By the way (click to show/hide)
Post by: pisskop on November 05, 2015, 12:46:46 pm
Spoiler: ^^ (click to show/hide)
I completed my 2nd season, and am halfway through winter. I have made this house my home.
Spoiler: Season 02, Autumn (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 01 Bandits (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 05 Manhacks (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 06 A prisoner (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 013 Spider-Loot (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 014 Vengeful Assult (click to show/hide)
Also, an NPC has gotten stuck on a garbage can, trying to path into a shed I made. She just sits there, wielding her knife as I run to and fro emptying out Rivtech rifles and their requisite ammo.
I killed Tankbot. How do I dissaemble him if he's so big I can't pick him up?
Post by: Rince Wind on November 05, 2015, 04:15:42 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 05, 2015, 04:54:34 pm
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on November 05, 2015, 06:27:18 pm
I have a toolbox, a acetlyene torch, a welder, and welding goggles. I must be missing something.
Maybe a soldering iron?
Post by: Akura on November 05, 2015, 09:02:42 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 05, 2015, 09:25:00 pm
Thanks!
Post by: pisskop on November 07, 2015, 05:54:13 pm
Spoiler: The Perseverence (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Winter Log (click to show/hide)
And accompanying pics
Spoiler: 01 Doorbusters at WallMarket (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 02b the commuter parking lot that serves as a garage (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 02f the location on the map (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 04 Tankbots true feels about me (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 05a Raiding for food (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 07 Mutations (click to show/hide)
Post by: Steelmagic on November 08, 2015, 05:45:09 am
Post by: n9103 on November 08, 2015, 08:17:38 am
Pop: People under high Stress/Duress
:P
Post by: Cheedows on November 08, 2015, 10:04:01 am
Out of curiosity, does anyone else start acting really quickly when things get all intense? I always start mashing buttons quickly as I move and shoot, as though it actually helps me. And I feel the urge to shoot my revolver as fast as possible.
I've done this once without realizing before, when being mobbed by 20 zombies I just mashed the arrow keys until everything was dead.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on November 08, 2015, 12:54:26 pm
Out of curiosity, does anyone else start acting really quickly when things get all intense? I always start mashing buttons quickly as I move and shoot, as though it actually helps me. And I feel the urge to shoot my revolver as fast as possible.
Quite the opposite, actually. I always freeze up when in great danger, then take very deliberate actions to try and neutralize/avoid the threat. On the other hand, I often find myself mashing things to skip through tedious prompts (like repeated messages of some distant dog/wimpy zombie or crafting interruptions), only to get ganked by some brute/shocker/hulk/shocker brute I didn't notice around the corner.
Post by: pisskop on November 08, 2015, 01:02:58 pm
In brawls Ive learned to 'burst' and then stop to see if I missed something important. (such as bleeding, ripping, sudden shifts in momentum, etc)
Post by: Akura on November 08, 2015, 03:13:00 pm
Post by: BishopX on November 08, 2015, 09:26:00 pm
Just noticed that lava counts as "nearby fire" for cooking. Neat. Guess I'll have to build a base near this lava chasm. Later on. After I can take on the few thousand zombies near it. And it is harder than it sounds to get them trudging through the lava.
Be aware that it also counts for light...Zed's can see you near lava at night.
Post by: MasterFancyPants on November 09, 2015, 09:53:59 am
On the other hand, I often find myself mashing things to skip through tedious prompts (like repeated messages of some distant dog/wimpy zombie or crafting interruptions), only to get ganked by some brute/shocker/hulk/shocker brute I didn't notice around the corner.
Yeah, this happens to me a lot too. Wish there was a way to customise the safe mode a bit more.
An overhaul for safe mode would be nice. Like if you could set it for a certain amount of spaces or only when you are attacked.
Post by: SOLDIER First on November 09, 2015, 09:58:35 am
Post by: duckman on November 09, 2015, 06:57:37 pm
Post by: Akura on November 09, 2015, 08:02:24 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 09, 2015, 08:19:53 pm
Post by: duckman on November 09, 2015, 08:20:21 pm
Seeing as reducing it speeds up monster evolution, probably not. Could have sworn that reducing the setting slowed it down at one point...Apparently that was an issue with the wording in the description.
The problem for me might have been starting in fall though. 28 days would have passed, and if the skipped time doesn't take changes to monster evolution scaling into account, then that would explain why feral predators even exist when the only things in that line around should be runners and the occasional hunter.
Post by: Zireael on November 11, 2015, 04:15:35 am
On the other hand, I often find myself mashing things to skip through tedious prompts (like repeated messages of some distant dog/wimpy zombie or crafting interruptions), only to get ganked by some brute/shocker/hulk/shocker brute I didn't notice around the corner.
Yeah, this happens to me a lot too. Wish there was a way to customise the safe mode a bit more.
An overhaul for safe mode would be nice. Like if you could set it for a certain amount of spaces or only when you are attacked.
Yeah, would be great.
Post by: kulik on November 11, 2015, 05:30:00 am
Out of curiosity, does anyone else start acting really quickly when things get all intense? I always start mashing buttons quickly as I move and shoot, as though it actually helps me. And I feel the urge to shoot my revolver as fast as possible.
And don't forget that when you attack, smashing the button very hard will make your character deal more damage.
Post by: Orange Wizard on November 11, 2015, 07:02:19 am
Post by: Xardalas on November 11, 2015, 07:23:23 am
Did a lab challenge start and I actually made it up all way to the surface..I just can't open the doors to get out. It's been three days now and my character is starting to get super hungry. And I have run out of mutant arms. x.x I tried burning down the doors with my mini-flamethrower but it didn't work.
Post by: scrdest on November 11, 2015, 07:38:31 am
Hmm...Do labs normally spawn a science ID in them for you to get out of them with?No; read the description, you're not *supposed* to be able to get out by default. You can, and doing so may involve fire, or if you find some explosives, or whatever, or you may luck out and, like I did, find a connection to the sewer system underground, but the assumption is you will die there.
Did a lab challenge start and I actually made it up all way to the surface..I just can't open the doors to get out. It's been three days now and my character is starting to get super hungry. And I have run out of mutant arms. x.x I tried burning down the doors with my mini-flamethrower but it didn't work.
Post by: Sheb on November 11, 2015, 07:50:43 am
Post by: Aseaheru on November 11, 2015, 08:22:52 am
Post by: Adragis on November 11, 2015, 11:50:27 am
Post by: Arcvasti on November 11, 2015, 01:50:26 pm
It used to be possible to bash your way out, isn't that the case anymore?
Its still possible, its just been made a LOT harder, I think.
Post by: n9103 on November 11, 2015, 05:41:26 pm
Post by: Akura on November 11, 2015, 07:09:35 pm
Unfortunately, poor Sakuya the maid-who-is-hoping-to-find-Time-Dilation-CBMs-and-a-giant-pile-of-throwing-knives came down with the flu. Oh, and I found a H&K UCP next to the seat.
Do objects thrown during while using Time Dilation stay in the air until you turn it off? Or do you simply throw them harder(judging from the description of the CBM)?
EDIT: Possible bug. I rammed an NPC into water using the above security van. I got several messages saying "You're drowning" before the NPC finally died. NPC was not in deep water, since I could walk over and loot the corpse.
Post by: Kot on November 11, 2015, 07:59:00 pm
EDIT: Possible bug. I rammed an NPC into water using the above security van. I got several messages saying "You're drowning" before the NPC finally died. NPC was not in deep water, since I could walk over and loot the corpse.Chances are his everything was so broken that he couldn't stand up and just drowned in knee-high water because you're an awful, horrible person. You should have at least put him out of his misery.
Post by: pisskop on November 11, 2015, 09:01:19 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on November 11, 2015, 09:13:12 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 12, 2015, 10:05:28 am
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Post by: Aseaheru on November 12, 2015, 10:27:05 am
Post by: pisskop on November 13, 2015, 02:41:43 pm
I promptely drive it into the nearest horde of zoms, destroy the headlights, and then blindly crash into another car.
Post by: Baffler on November 13, 2015, 04:52:15 pm
Well, atleast it wasent a random friendly NPC.
I experienced this for the first time last night. I normally turn the NPC's off because of nonsense like this but I wanted to play around with having my own faction. I'd got myself and my comrade equipped with chain mail armor and submachine guns, and the zombies didn't stand a chance. I wanted to recruit a second NPC, but I never made it over there. Dude lit himself on fire with a spraycan flamethrower, then a grenade he was carrying went up too. I was killed by sharpnel to the brain while I was running up to him to use a fire extinguisher.
Post by: Ygdrad on November 13, 2015, 08:19:05 pm
It used to be possible to bash your way out, isn't that the case anymore?
Its still possible, its just been made a LOT harder, I think.
I just set fire to the first floor and escape at night when it's done so the turret wont see me. That's if I somehow don't end up finding a dozen fire extinguishers or various forms of liquid to temporarily put out the fire in a spot to go across and leave. Also, once you've confirmed that fire has made a hole in the wall, you can simply stay inside the lab until it starts raining and then go out till it gets put out. Another solution could be to turn on Z-levels. With those on the rest of the world isn't paused when you switch to another z-level and the fire would probably just consume the walls and let you safely escape.
Oh, if anyone actually plays with NPC's on, I need help confirming this bug https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/13956# If this happens to you too, post on that issue to have it looked at and fixed. NPC's are more interesting than they used to be and are now at a level where it is somewhat possible to play with them on.
Post by: pisskop on November 13, 2015, 09:22:56 pm
Or they try to hold you up when you're installing a welding kit onto your truck and then you have to run them over.
Or they try to kill you with a lighter.
Post by: RickRollYou2 on November 13, 2015, 09:59:13 pm
Trading is however somewhat unbalanced right now, and you can easily obtain good weapons and armor simply by picking up torn clothes and trading them all to your starting NPC.
Post by: Ygdrad on November 14, 2015, 03:49:18 am
TLDR: NPC's have been improved a fair bit and while still potentially dangerous, this has been balanced by them actually being fairly useful now and having more control over their actions. If you know what you're getting into and plan accordingly they can become a great source of help, entertainment, and !!FUN!!(no,seriously game, stop giving them flamethrowers >.>).
Post by: Steelmagic on November 14, 2015, 05:00:23 am
Post by: Geltor on November 14, 2015, 05:15:21 am
Post by: RickRollYou2 on November 14, 2015, 05:36:31 am
Post by: n9103 on November 14, 2015, 09:00:10 am
Dropping item spawn rate greatly will at least make it much harder to get to end game power.
Same for disabling CBMs. They're extremely useful, but not a requirement.
Full night vision, combined with the dismal item spawn rate, will probably make it essentially impossible to raid at night for a long time. Without lucky finds, that might be forever.
I think Hordes with specials is the only option there that is legitimately a threat end game, while not making the early game simply much longer. Having to pick up what you can carry and dash away is easier when you have less stuff. Having to leave behind a bunch of stuff you haven't yet got the skill to use is also a smaller setback.
Post by: pisskop on November 14, 2015, 09:10:26 am
And then I see 6 spitters suddenly spitting at my new chatacter. Spitters hurt no matter how awesome you are.
pedit: why not take less op traits, or more bads ones? Instead of 12 strength and 12 perceptionm taking 1 in every skill should hamper you long term while makine early game easier for low-item worlds.
Post by: Akura on November 14, 2015, 10:04:13 am
(character does not have lactose intolerance, does have junkfood intolerance)
Post by: Aseaheru on November 14, 2015, 05:08:23 pm
Post by: duckman on November 14, 2015, 11:00:41 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 14, 2015, 11:05:03 pm
Post by: Azated on November 15, 2015, 02:11:53 am
I'm wondering if there's any way to encourage some kind of defense mode style siege after a certain amount of time. I've always wanted to build a bunch of slingshot turrets and palisade walls and watch them work while I sit around hurriedly crafting a stone spear for myself. As it is, after I've found a vehicle I really have no enemies. Finding fuel and not running over the steel tanktraps that are bushes then become the only challenge until I get stronger parts.
Post by: Geltor on November 16, 2015, 03:31:34 am
Pretty much finished the game with my latest playthrough. Have yet to complete all the endgame spoilerish things, but I have some insane skills, can install any CBM I find right off the bat, have enough parts to build two or three tanks, and have a fortified warehouse in a forest with a little farm.pretty much my thoughts. endgame becomes uneventful and repetitive
I'm wondering if there's any way to encourage some kind of defense mode style siege after a certain amount of time. I've always wanted to build a bunch of slingshot turrets and palisade walls and watch them work while I sit around hurriedly crafting a stone spear for myself. As it is, after I've found a vehicle I really have no enemies. Finding fuel and not running over the steel tanktraps that are bushes then become the only challenge until I get stronger parts.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 16, 2015, 11:10:48 am
Post by: Adragis on November 16, 2015, 11:15:16 am
Post by: BigD145 on November 16, 2015, 11:40:35 am
No, it's where you start amassing enough mininukes to demolish a city simultaneously.
Mininuke all the spores.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on November 16, 2015, 08:16:04 pm
Hordes and NPCs MIGHT make it more interesting in that regard. But both are at least somewhat broken (particularily hordes) :-[
Post by: pisskop on November 16, 2015, 11:10:10 pm
Factions have npcs, almost all of whom can kill a skeleton these days. NPCs are arguably one of the strongest critters in the game, what with gear and armor and drugs. Missions, RP immersion, an a better ai will easily net more challange than any of the sandbox we do now.
I imagine npcs can be made to respond to noise, take limited drugs, patrol, and even 'storm, flank, or flee'. and also npc drivers. npc remote vehicle operator using a mounted turret on a shopping cart, where he controls the robot but is helplessly imobile?
A consistent worldgen that had an ocean/not ocean and rivers that led to dedicatee syopping points like lakes. A sense pf solid geometry to set the stage for topography or faction specific
And a nerfed or reworked skill progression that focuses on longer term success and health. I know phobias have been discussed.
NEwho, the reason Im posting. Ive been <re>discovering why the hobo is such a solid choice over shower victims i did before.
Besides the clothing (basic no footwear) he has a pooch and bindle. matches, pocketknife, wood, cloth, glass jars and gallon jugs, beans even. I just realized that skewers make needles. So he could easily burn his bindle as a weapon, deconstruct it, craft skewers, and with 4-5 zoms have a sewing kit, turban, footwraps. his starter kit is remarkably resiliant and flexible.
he can make cocktails off rip, and has enough booze for over a week of drinking
Post by: Baffler on November 16, 2015, 11:39:30 pm
Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on November 16, 2015, 11:49:08 pm
Is there a safe way to heat up the inside of a vehicle? I'm living as a RV dweller and I feel like I should be able to warm up the thing without lighting a fire inside, but I honestly can't think of anything.
Turn the engine on and it should provide climate control automatically.
Post by: Baffler on November 16, 2015, 11:57:08 pm
I guess that would do it, huh?
Post by: Majestic7 on November 17, 2015, 01:43:02 am
Alternative, of course, would be joining existing settlements. I've heard there is some sort of NPC settlement already in the game with static NPCs, but I still haven't found it a single time.
Post by: Adragis on November 17, 2015, 02:43:08 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on November 17, 2015, 03:44:23 am
Post by: Rince Wind on November 17, 2015, 04:16:31 am
The long-term game I'd love to see would be starting a settlement of my own and finding/rescuing/recruiting/kidnapping NPCs to join it. Then giving them task like "build XYZ" or "farm" or the like while I go read Playboy or raid cannabis farms or poke giant ants with a stick. This would be viable even for road warrior -type players who could form several supply bases around the world to cruise between. (Only find them eaten by mi-go, of course.)
Alternative, of course, would be joining existing settlements. I've heard there is some sort of NPC settlement already in the game with static NPCs, but I still haven't found it a single time.
Hint: use the working computer in a shelter.
Post by: Majestic7 on November 17, 2015, 05:41:28 am
Post by: Adragis on November 17, 2015, 08:00:43 am
Post by: i2amroy on November 17, 2015, 10:20:06 am
A lot of the devs follow this thread too AFAIK. Obviously the forums (presumably it has a Suggestions board) is better but it's not like stuff here is never going to be seen.Indeed, looking back you can see a handful of posts from Kevingranade (azmodean here), Rivet posted just 2 posts before the suggestion, and I'm the thread OP (though sadly college has been busy enough to keep me away from C:DDA for the last month or so and probably most of these next 4 weeks as well :'().
Post by: Adragis on November 17, 2015, 10:22:04 am
Post by: Aseaheru on November 17, 2015, 11:05:06 am
Post by: azmodean on November 18, 2015, 01:40:32 am
Partially because it's legit that people don't want to make new accounts all over the place, and partially because I already had an account here :)
Post by: Showbiz on November 18, 2015, 06:46:07 am
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Post by: pisskop on November 18, 2015, 03:05:21 pm
Spawning in a kitchen with his bunkie, a greasefire took the house down. He just only got out of the way of falling rubble and sprawled into the cold spring night.
Running to the house acroos the street he is chased by zoms who spotted the fire, and him, as he escaped into the basement. the basement was wothless, full of hemp and sewer rats. Without a flashlight even he runs off into the night, hearing zoms and rats clashing over the right to his flesh.
As he is running he realizes its snowing and he is freezing to death. Cold penalties start out negligable but get up to and beyond 75% speed loss, so he begins darting to and froo, making all the racket in the world until he finds a touring suit. In another house he finds an empty basement, which is full of chairs and booze and little else. It is here he spends the day, burning wood in the bathroom and crafting whatever.
Sleeping for 2-3 hours before sunset, He goes topside and finds he can craft a wooden needle. He does so, spending time reinforcing his 2 messanger bags before taking off. He loots a grocery store and liquor store, only to find the sun coming up while in the lquor store. crafting a torch, he hides in their brakeroom and makes a wooden spear and cudgel, and a makeshift crowbar. He runs 2 city blocks in full daylight until he finds a motorbike and abandons his gains. The bike is only capable of safely going 28kmh du to a failing engine, and a random manhack actually keeps up with him.
Harried for a bit, and down to 1.5 bars of health on most bodyparts, he finds a flatbed with a yellow battery and alternator. Better than a breaking engine, frankly, and he transfers his gear over and escapes the city.
In the country, along a road leading out of town from a loose cluster of office buildings, our hero find a car with no major damage. While hsifting goods again he find a pack of 5 shirekers chasing after a squirrel coming his way. A fire and several shrieks later a worm tries to finish him off. Luckily our hero has bullwhip on him; a weapon that is more for stunning than killing. A horde of zombies comes into his view; looking for the shriekers; and with a sigh he packs his goods up. He has a single bottle of whiskey with him and several MREs, and enough gear to weld, but no experience with mechanics. The sun sets for his econd night and he must choose between a raid he desperately need and health he desperately needs. He might have enough booze for 1 more night, but . . .
It was one thing after another with this guy. :D
Post by: beorn080 on November 18, 2015, 05:40:17 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on November 18, 2015, 06:11:37 pm
Edit:
"You are deaf and can't talk. When you don't respond, Isaac Danielson becomes angry!" Apparently my earplugs pushed this guy to come at me with an axe. I think their aggressiveness needs a bit more granularity.
"You deliver a knee strike to Isaac Danielson for 73 damage. Critical!"
Isaac Danielson dies!"
I now have this mental image of my character minding its own business fighting slimes, not knowing that behind him is a guy screaming to drop the machete. Guy comes at him with an axe, character turns around, surprised and reflexively knee-strikes the guy in the head. oops!
Post by: Gentlefish on November 18, 2015, 08:38:35 pm
But in the case of "following" animals like dogs and cougars and even moose sometimes, I could imagine a few of them flying off the handle at a tailing animal.
Post by: Orange Wizard on November 18, 2015, 11:02:55 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 20, 2015, 12:23:44 am
An rv has a battery by a minifridge. is that battery charginf when I turm on the engine?
Post by: Arcvasti on November 20, 2015, 01:37:09 am
I think Mines need to be retouched a tad. They are incredibly easy, as there are only two threats in them until the finale. And of those, only one is a danger as soon as you see it.
That's because the true danger in mines is them generating in such a way that you go down some stairs and then there are no stairs for you to go back up ;) Unless that bug's been fixed.
But yeah, mines are too easy. I'd even go so far as to say that the only really dangerous thing that can happen in them is the terminal and fault-line finale.
Even that's not that bad. Honestly, I farmed the critters who spawned from there for a solid half-hour or so with Rapier + full Light Power armour getup a few versions ago. I haven't gotten there in quite a while, but the endgame stuff probably needs more bits in it. More eldritch stuff is something I approve of and the stuff you can do with the Fungal mutation path seems like its a bound in the right direction. I remember someone[Possibly GlyphGryph?] saying something to the following effect:
There are four main stages to the game:
1: Struggling. You run from problems, scavenge what you can and barely survive.
2: Planning. You organize trips into town for things for specific projects and take one even some of the nastier special zeds head on.
3: Changing. You start changing yourself and your immediate environment by mutations/bionics and by doing stuff like clearing the city you start in or establishing a heavily fortified steel deathmobile.
4: Ascendent. You start changing the game world, like by destroying/spreading fungal blooms or using nuclear weapons on slime pits.
Right now, stage 4 feels the most unfinished because there's an additional layer of interaction which is currently only vaguely there. Presumably as the faction/NPC stuff people are currently working on intensifies, stage 4 will become more fun.
Post by: Baffler on November 20, 2015, 04:38:33 pm
Edit: I used debug mode to spawn her in, for what it's worth. There are NPC's in this game, but they are all dead.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 20, 2015, 04:58:38 pm
How do storage batteries work? can they be charged by an alternator? doe they need to be on the same tile as a solar panel to charge? do chargers charge the nearest battery first or all equally?Like easily removable batteries, yes, I think so, all equally, and if it has an alternator.
An rv has a battery by a minifridge. is that battery charginf when I turm on the engine?
Atleast, I think those are the answers to those questions.
Post by: Culise on November 20, 2015, 05:53:40 pm
Post by: Graknorke on November 20, 2015, 07:41:26 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on November 20, 2015, 07:42:58 pm
Post by: Sirbug on November 21, 2015, 11:20:56 am
Post by: pisskop on November 21, 2015, 12:05:31 pm
Post by: Sirbug on November 21, 2015, 01:15:41 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 21, 2015, 01:17:40 pm
Using the left carrot over to graphics
Use Tile 'false'
Post by: Sirbug on November 21, 2015, 01:22:37 pm
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Post by: BigD145 on November 21, 2015, 02:48:41 pm
Post by: soyweiser on November 21, 2015, 03:09:07 pm
Easier said then done. I think it's a font issueSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Let me guess, you are using a non english windows or something. This has happend before. I have no idea what the solution was.
Post by: Sirbug on November 21, 2015, 03:11:23 pm
You guessed right. I also guessed this, but I can't find solution easily.Easier said then done. I think it's a font issueSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Let me guess, you are using a non english windows or something. This has happend before. I have no idea what the solution was.
Post by: Mini on November 21, 2015, 04:03:22 pm
Post by: Sirbug on November 21, 2015, 04:22:23 pm
I vaguely recall that deleting the lang folder might help.Wow, it did. I deleted folder for my language and it reverted to English.
Post by: n9103 on November 22, 2015, 09:08:38 am
Easier said then done. I think it's a font issueNot relevant to this instance, but this issue can also arise from using some different terminal settings (with PuTTY in my case) such as the remote character set selection. Just for future reference should anyone else have this issue while on a server.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kaitol on November 26, 2015, 04:21:07 pm
Odd.
0.C-3958 from the previous day works fine though.
Edit: Also the wiki is hella broken for me. Random strings of bad code all over the page.
Post by: n9103 on November 26, 2015, 07:35:01 pm
Spoiler: somewhat large log (click to show/hide)
Post by: i2amroy on November 27, 2015, 12:42:38 am
Got the following errors on opening the main wiki page:Yeah it's been like that for a bit apparently. To be honest I'm not sure exactly who is responsible for hosting the wiki; it's still totally possible it's GlyphGryph, which could potentially lead to some problems due to not being able to get in touch with them.Spoiler: somewhat large log (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kaitol on November 29, 2015, 04:00:21 pm
And then you can continue anyways or stop, and if you continue it seems like weird things happen. It makes the thing but it seems like it wastes lots of the resource? A bunch of water I was trying to purify went missing, I had like twenty something, but ran out after purifying five.
So not to have that happen you have to go into the crafting menu and find the thing every time.
EDIT: Odd, when I built a stone fireplace and started cooking inside with my pot laying on a shelf nearby, it stopped giving that weird message. Maybe it only happens when the tool is in your inventory?
EDIT: Finally figured it out, when I'm holding my wakizashi in my hands, craft previous works, but when my hands are empty, it gives that missing none prompt.
Post by: Zireael on December 02, 2015, 10:42:25 am
As for the wiki, it's back up!
Post by: Kaitol on December 02, 2015, 01:59:16 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on December 03, 2015, 08:21:54 am
Why doesn't the nodachi fit in the back scabbard? I mean, I understand why it no longer fits in a normal scabbard, but is it just supposed to be a weapon you have to carry around in your inventory now? Or is it a simple oversight?
It would need its own unique scabbard. Long sword is loooong.
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Post by: n9103 on December 03, 2015, 08:28:47 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 03, 2015, 11:23:25 am
You can't wear a nodachi in a back scabbard because it'd be practically impossible to unsheathe a sword that long without unstrapping the scabbard, defeating its point.
Post by: Descan on December 03, 2015, 12:22:44 pm
Note that that's an exceptionally long nodachi (most were 5-5.5' long), and/or the guy is exceptionally short compared to US average (5'8").He is an old Japanese man... Probably the latter.
Post by: Sharp on December 03, 2015, 12:41:35 pm
Back scabbards are very awkward to use (and were historically only used for transport, not combat, and rarely even then). I'd' estimate that the part of the weapon that goes into the sheath/scabbard can't really be much longer than from one's middle finger to the opposite shoulder. For me, that's 110 cm, or 3'8". I could wear an arming sword or a short longsword (heh) on my back if I really wanted to, but there's really no reason not to wear it on my belt instead.
You can't wear a nodachi in a back scabbard because it'd be practically impossible to unsheathe a sword that long without unstrapping the scabbard, defeating its point.
With the back scabbard you are supposed to bend forwards to slide the sword out, not just pull it out like one on the hip, although might be very hard to use for that nodachi anyway.
Post by: Ehndras on December 03, 2015, 12:57:05 pm
Post by: BigD145 on December 03, 2015, 01:35:31 pm
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Post by: Rince Wind on December 03, 2015, 02:48:32 pm
Obviously you're supposed to grab it, yank, and throw it into the air, catching in a super duper cool way as it comes down. Back scabbards are awesome that way.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And you put it back into the scabbard the other way round: throw it into the air and catch it with the scabbard.
Post by: Kaitol on December 03, 2015, 03:00:00 pm
That seems preposterous. We can go to the moon, but we can't design a functional back scabbard. Just have it open along one side with a clasp.
Post by: pisskop on December 03, 2015, 03:05:57 pm
Post by: jocan2003 on December 03, 2015, 03:16:13 pm
Post by: Sharp on December 03, 2015, 07:06:58 pm
You're telling me that with access to modern materials and knowledge, we couldn't fashion a scabbard that you could unsheathe a sword from the back with?
That seems preposterous. We can go to the moon, but we can't design a functional back scabbard. Just have it open along one side with a clasp.
With access to modern materials and knowledge why would you want a back scabbard?
Magnetic scabbard can work but is unlikely to be easy if it has to be strong enough to keep sword in place yet still allow user to get sword out, electromagnet could work to switch it on/off but then that's a lot of effort for a scabbard, also probably not save for other metallic things you have around.
Could have a scabbard with a slice cut out in the side half-way so it can be drawn upwards a short distance and then swing out sideways.
Post by: Kaitol on December 03, 2015, 08:26:59 pm
Not sure if Avast is having a problem, or some of the latest Experimentals just having something about them that causes Avast to wig out, but if you have a similar problem and use Avast, try disabling when you run the exe.
Post by: DoomOnion on December 05, 2015, 07:58:07 am
If you've ever worn a messenger bag in real life, you'll know how awkward it is to wear a thing across your body like that, let alone a sword. For the very same reason, people just... slung their weapons over their shoulder, or just carried it resting on their arm. Better yet, people threw there weapons in a cart and let other people carry it for them for the most part, at least before military drill became a thing.
It's definitely a cinematic thing. It does 'look cool' if you are into those kind of things, and no one stops you from doing it if the purpose is to look cool. But it's certainly not historical. If there's a single historical document where people actively chose to carry their weapons slung across their back like most fantasy characters do, show me. I have yet to see a single source in my life.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 05, 2015, 12:06:02 pm
The main reason most weapons are kept on or near the belt, occasionally on the chest, is that reaching over your shoulder to try and grab something is inherently difficult, and disrobing a sword from its sheath would be an immense pain on top of that. You'd likely take so long to get your weapon out that whatever you were trying to kill would either have already left or killed you.
That said, the Japanese, IIRC, and possibly some other peoples, made special sheaths that were designed to only be used once. When you needed your weapon, you'd simply slice through the weak sides of the sheath and have your weapon ready in no time. It would certainly make drawing a blade on your back easier, but it wouldn't really reduce the awkwardness of trying to reach over your shoulder.
Post by: DoomOnion on December 06, 2015, 01:30:11 am
Swords don't work that way you propose. Cuttable sheaths? Did you actually just say that or am I going nutters again? I feel sorry for you that this will be offensive to you, but that was by large the stupidest thing I've heard this year. Nothing in that notion made sense.
A) scabbards are not only for transporting your sword, but also for protecting it. To have the sword cut through it completely defeats the purpose.
B) No samurais actually carried their swords in the back, even in situations where they carried multiple swords, they just slung all of them on their side.
C) Swords are not light sabers. If you've handled one, you'd know this. You can't just easily cut through a material with one swing without drawing or hacking the blade in some way. Even if that said disposable vinyl scabbard existed, you'd still have to DRAW the sword from the said scabbard to apply its cutting power to the material designed to be cut. Then again, if you can draw from your back, why use a disposable scabbard?
Post by: Gentlefish on December 06, 2015, 02:34:28 am
ANYWAY. I have, for the longest time, been wanting to make a "hearth" tile that lets fire spread to other hearth tiles. And also channel tiles that do the same with water.
But I am terrible about coding. I don't even know where to look or even if it's simply some JSON manipulation.
Post by: DeKaFu on December 06, 2015, 11:29:27 am
Can mutations taken at character generation when you start as a mutant be cured by purifiers? (Playing 0.C stable here).
I've been playing an Unwilling Mutant character with some troublesome mutations (toe talons...) and roleplaying his quest to find the lab he was held in and find a way to get back to normal. After much adventuring, finally managed to locate a purifier serum and inject it, but all I got was "You feel cleansed"...
I'm going to feel pretty bad if it's actually impossible.
If they are purifier-immune, is it possible that they could be cancelled out by conflicting mutations? The "going to get worse before it gets better" plan...:P Tried a mutagen serum on him and it altered his Growling Voice to Snarling Voice, but I have no idea if it's removable now since those two serums were my whole supply. Hard to explore this lab when it makes his feets freeze in minutes. ): (Going to be even harder now that he's got tentacles for legs too...)
Post by: Akura on December 06, 2015, 11:59:22 am
Post by: ShinQuickMan on December 06, 2015, 02:04:00 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 06, 2015, 07:00:13 pm
-snip-
I realize this is something you're passionate about, but there's no call to say I'm stupid. Keep in mind I did point out that drawing from the back was pretty nonviable even with the specialized sheath, so it's not like I was completely countering your argument.
A search does reveal I was probably wrong, given that a (albeit limited) Google search doesn't reveal anything about such a thing as cuttable sheaths existing. I still remember the concept quite clearly, though, and I still think it's not entirely nonviable.
The cut-open scabbard itself wasn't the weapon's actual scabbard: the cut-open scabbards were usually hand-made out of available materials on-site and were basically only used for iaido duels (where the samurai would draw their blade directly into a slash) and were usually little more than two pieces of bamboo or wood wrapped with something weak, like thin twine or paper. Since the person who's able to transition from a draw into a swing faster has an advantage in speed, and speed is basically the difference between life and death in these duels, the extra split second where the samurai could cut through the scabbard instead of drawing his sword all the way out was, probably, a big deal.
As to whether it worked (or even existed), I'm not sure. But I'd say it's not entirely unbelievable, just very limited in use.
Post by: i2amroy on December 06, 2015, 07:14:19 pm
Really the reason is that anything that can be carried in some sort of back scabbard could be carried much easier in a waist one, or carried in the hand if absolutely necessary.
IIRC any mutations that you take at charges count as your "base" form so you will actually purify towards them if at all possible, but it's been a while since I looked at that bit of code so it might have changed in the meantime.
Post by: beorn080 on December 06, 2015, 07:28:34 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 06, 2015, 07:31:22 pm
Post by: Graknorke on December 06, 2015, 08:01:10 pm
Post by: Kaitol on December 06, 2015, 11:02:41 pm
Please, no maybes and probablys and iircs. Mythical easterlands of amazing ninjutsu samurai warriors, however romanticized, does not work as a basis for you to say 'maybe probly it existed'.
Swords don't work that way you propose. Cuttable sheaths? Did you actually just say that or am I going nutters again? I feel sorry for you that this will be offensive to you, but that was by large the stupidest thing I've heard this year. Nothing in that notion made sense.
A) scabbards are not only for transporting your sword, but also for protecting it. To have the sword cut through it completely defeats the purpose.
B) No samurais actually carried their swords in the back, even in situations where they carried multiple swords, they just slung all of them on their side.
C) Swords are not light sabers. If you've handled one, you'd know this. You can't just easily cut through a material with one swing without drawing or hacking the blade in some way. Even if that said disposable vinyl scabbard existed, you'd still have to DRAW the sword from the said scabbard to apply its cutting power to the material designed to be cut. Then again, if you can draw from your back, why use a disposable scabbard?
The ironic part about that is that that is potentially the stupidest post I've seen all year. Being such an asshole while also being so completely wrong is definitely a contender.
A disposable scabbard would be rather easy to make, and you clearly have no idea what you're on about. First you start off with a mostly normal nodachi scabbard. Then remove a slice on the narrow side that faces the blade, and wrap a thin cloth or material of some sort around the scabbard. Swords don't rattle around in scabbards, they're fairly tight, and hold them snugly, so it shouldn't move around enough to cut the fabric until you apply sideways force to the hilt with your hand. Boom, disposable back scabbard, and all you have to do is replace the cloth after you draw it. Not exactly ideal, and you might need to experiment a bit with types of cloth to find one that cuts smoothly but the concept would work. Now whether or not it would be practical enough to actually bother doing is another question, but you could definitely make one.
Also, I'd recommend injecting a bit more courtesy into your posts in the future, because you seriously sounded like a condescending asshole.
Post by: Werdna on December 06, 2015, 11:02:44 pm
Back scabbards weren't ever used historically, no such thing as a baldric or a setup where you 'transport' a sword or a rifle, or a long, thin pole shaped weapon in general on your back existed.
Spoiler: Err... (click to show/hide)
Bronze Pickle: I can't see how that'd work. The scabbard is typically tucked into a thick waist sash (obi), you'd have to cut through that too! If the scabbard was held freehand, that'd be awful awkward to hold it since you can't grip it the traditional way.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 06, 2015, 11:17:50 pm
Realistically, when performing iaido, most samurai gripped the sheath anyway to help the sword pull free faster. I imagine that anyone using the cut-free scabbard would probably want to do an underhand grip so they didn't slice their hand off, but worst case scenario I suppose it was a better trade off for most of them to lose a hand instead of their life.
Post by: anexiledone on December 07, 2015, 12:27:22 am
Using a 3-4 point strap system would stabilize the scabbard so that when you pull it out the sword would separate the velcro and be able to move horizontally. Half the stuff in the cataclysm is already Macguyver'd crap that isn't super convenient or believable anyways. Why is putting a sword on your back such a big deal?
Post by: Toady One on December 07, 2015, 02:17:31 am
Post by: Bob_Namg on December 08, 2015, 01:26:12 am
Post by: BigD145 on December 08, 2015, 01:33:29 am
Post by: Ygdrad on December 08, 2015, 11:00:02 am
snipIf you look, in the lower two pictures, you'll notice that the back scabbard is held by a knotted string meant to be untied. I'm pretty sure the sword was never unsheathed from the scabbard while worn.
In the first two pictures, either that sheath is meant to be taken off, or it is meant to slide over the shoulder to be unsheathed, the guy wouldn't have the arm length(or maybe barely) to draw a blade even that short in that position. Either way, it was probably meant for transport more than convenient access.
Edit: Werdna was trying to point out that people DID at least transport the sword on their backs and was not wrong in using those pictures. The same pictures are just also very good examples to show that they were not unsheathed while worn.
Post by: pisskop on December 08, 2015, 11:06:02 am
Maybe a waist scabbard, to be slung behind theback and unsheathed at the hip in front. that takes extra layering encunbrance for other waist items like holsters and canteens.
Post by: Ygdrad on December 08, 2015, 11:25:02 am
You're telling me that with access to modern materials and knowledge, we couldn't fashion a scabbard that you could unsheathe a sword from the back with?If we do want to think hypothetically, given today's tech and materials a few things could be done for quick unsheathing though. You could have an electric motorized scabbard which has rubber rollers or something inside and rolls itself right off the sword and falls to the floor, you'd have to untie/unclip it from wherever it is held first though, and picking it back up, and tying it back on wouldn't be very quick unless you have some sort of specialized easy hook of some sort on your back for it.
That seems preposterous. We can go to the moon, but we can't design a functional back scabbard. Just have it open along one side with a clasp.
I'm not really in favor of thing like this making it into the game though seeing as you can probably think up weird specific devices or setups for just about any inconvenience. Problem is a lot of them would most likely require an engineer to design them to be reliable, convenient, and durable. Hell I can even think up a way the nodachi scabbard in the above example doesn't have to be taken off, but you end up with a complex system which would be demolished the instant a hulk throws you to the ground or through a wall.
Post by: Werdna on December 08, 2015, 10:30:20 pm
Post by: i2amroy on December 09, 2015, 12:49:08 am
I don't see why a sword on your back can't simply be unslung, and then drawn, the same way a soldier unslings a rifle off their shoulder before using it. If you're looking for a "quick draw", you should be looking for a shorter weapon. :)I could totally see a back scabbard that worked as an abstracted form of this, i.e. it had a much longer draw time and didn't allow for quick draw attacks. Maybe make a customized version with increased ENC that trades a longer time to stash a weapon away when you were done in exchange for reenabling quick draw abilities and a shorter draw time (essentially you building your own custom "snap closed" type of sheath or something similar).
Post by: boatie on December 09, 2015, 10:34:11 am
Post by: Aseaheru on December 09, 2015, 10:49:03 am
Post by: DoomOnion on December 09, 2015, 10:55:25 am
HOWEVER, I don't stand corrected.
Boom, disposable back scabbard, and all you have to do is replace the cloth after you draw it. Not exactly ideal, and you might need to experiment a bit with types of cloth to find one that cuts smoothly but the concept would work. Now whether or not it would be practical enough to actually bother doing is another question, but you could definitely make one.
Excuse me, while I might be condescending, at least I am not wrong, thank you.
Scabbards are not for just carrying your shit around. It's also for protecting your sword. Numerous longswords had this thing called rainguard attached to their crossguards, which in my opinion looks hideous as shit, but they were used for about 3 centuries constantly, and most swords with excellent preservation have them. You know why? Because steel rusts. Rainguard protects the sword against moisture, and saw most frequent use in England(it does rain a lot over there, yes?).
I do know what I am talking about. Your set up is quite perfect for ruining your sword. Fighting with a half rusted sword was probably the second fastest way to get killed in medieval combat, with the fastest way being using a back scabbard.
Spoiler: Err... (click to show/hide)
You'd have to read my comment in context. I am firmly against fast drawing two handed swords, and you'll see why in those images provided. They have no way of drawing their weapons in those pictures, let alone fast drawing. If you don't believe me, just grab a broom, sling it on your back, and try to draw it.
I don't see why a sword on your back can't simply be unslung, and then drawn, the same way a soldier unslings a rifle off their shoulder before using it. If you're looking for a "quick draw", you should be looking for a shorter weapon. :)
This is what I think of Cataclysm's back scabbards are like. They already function like this, they take stupid amount of time to draw and sheath, which they totally should!
A long sword, bastard sword, kriegsmesser, nodachi, or whatever - essentially two handed swords that are designed for heavy duty combat, not self defense, had no means of 'fast drawing'. If you are in such a situation where you face an army and you don't even have your weapon ready, you don't have much of a hope anyway.
Though, weapons that are not long enough to be considered solely for battlefield use, such as longswords could be worn on the side. Most weapons that are shorter than the length between your feet to your armpits could, in fact.
Fast drawing a two-handed sword like that is the equivalent of fast drawing a bazooka in modern combat. Surely you don't stand in front of a tank and go, 'Okay, it's just you and me. Draw.'
History speaks for itself, hundreds of thousands of people who lived before us were not idiots. They used what worked for them. The thing is, we see no evidence back scabbards ever were a thing in battlefield combat or saw civilian use. I've never seen back sheaths or back scabbards in archaeological finds. If they were actually useful, we'd... have found a couple, don't you think?
I'll end this on a less arguing tone. There is nothing wrong with liking back scabbards, nor using one in real life. If you are a LARPer, a back scabbard that looks cool and you can actually use would be considered a tremendous advantage over other setups, and considering you'd only use it a couple times a month, you wouldn't have to worry about environment damage. Though it's seriously doubtful that it'll be of much use anywhere else.
Post by: Nullsrc on December 09, 2015, 10:57:02 am
Theres an actual tutorial in the game. Its a bit old,FTFYbut it still does its job.but will postpone your death by a few minutes.
Post by: Aseaheru on December 09, 2015, 11:09:51 am
Post by: Nullsrc on December 09, 2015, 11:34:18 am
I will maintain that the post is not fixed because the job of the tutorial is to do that.I stand by my baseless edit!
Post by: Kaje on December 09, 2015, 12:29:17 pm
It'll keep me occupied over the festive period for sure!
Post by: Akura on December 09, 2015, 06:09:08 pm
I will maintain that the post is not fixed because the job of the tutorial is to do that.I stand by my baseless edit!
Given the fact that it's pretty easy to get yourself killed in the tutorial, does it do that?
Post by: Nullsrc on December 09, 2015, 06:13:36 pm
Anyone else's playthroughs like that? Is that just me?
Post by: Culise on December 09, 2015, 06:14:28 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 09, 2015, 06:15:53 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 09, 2015, 06:20:28 pm
And Your Mom. I see Your Mom a lot when I dont get enough to drink. So get me a beer.
Post by: Nullsrc on December 09, 2015, 06:21:31 pm
Less toilet water, less Xanex, less katana, not really death, much pain tho.You people need more Xanax in your adventures. :P
And Your Mom. I see Your Mom a lot when I dont get enough to drink. So get me a beer.
I recall playing once and seeing that outside the tutorial building was a giant city. I TP'd out there. Was eviscerated.
If such a thing still exists, it would make one hell of a playthrough.
Edit: You're only allowed to take drugs whose names are palindromes. That is all.
Post by: Aseaheru on December 09, 2015, 06:35:13 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 09, 2015, 06:40:18 pm
The tutorial just makes a world with a special maptile and starts in it, so what is outside the room can vary a fair bit.
It also provides much help, and a free basement. Which may or may not be worthwhile to stay in. I suppose someboyd should make a new one. Include some crafting tutorial, an intro to combat, and a few basic survive tips.
When I ran through it just now, a shorcker zom was on the other side of the wall, and I completely missed the grenade in the corner my first lookthough. Same with the flashlight.
Post by: Nullsrc on December 09, 2015, 06:44:23 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 09, 2015, 06:49:19 pm
Could you hypothetically start near something capable of smashing walls which would then smash in?
Post by: Nullsrc on December 09, 2015, 07:03:47 pm
It would be much more likely if we ever get random bombings IG, though.
Post by: pisskop on December 09, 2015, 07:07:45 pm
That's what I lit on fire in order to escape, though.If you hang out long enough zoms will eventually spawn that will
Could you hypothetically start near something capable of smashing walls which would then smash in?
Post by: Lukewarm on December 11, 2015, 10:48:22 pm
Post by: Evilsx on December 11, 2015, 11:55:26 pm
How do you install a welding rig on a vehicle? I've got around to making one, but I'm not seeing the option to put it on my car when I try to 'i'nstall something. On the plus side, I built up a bunch of stats by stealing and reading every book on my half of the city.You have to install it only on a frame, it must not have anything else on it
Post by: DeKaFu on December 12, 2015, 08:56:14 am
Also, what's the status as of 0.C on long fingernails/claws and fingerless gloves/hand wraps?
Post by: pisskop on December 12, 2015, 09:11:53 am
Claws in general need to be unhindered by gloves to work
Post by: BigD145 on December 12, 2015, 09:14:53 am
How do you install a welding rig on a vehicle? I've got around to making one, but I'm not seeing the option to put it on my car when I try to 'i'nstall something. On the plus side, I built up a bunch of stats by stealing and reading every book on my half of the city.You have to install it only on a frame, it must not have anything else on it
Install on a frame and then see what else can fit. I'm pretty sure a roof will fit, but not much else. Walls do not fit.
Post by: pisskop on December 12, 2015, 09:17:34 am
Post by: BigD145 on December 12, 2015, 10:41:07 am
It is a wall. And storage. It provides 400 storage, a weak wall, and free soldering.
It was a half wall in the past month or two. Did not block line of sight.
Post by: pisskop on December 12, 2015, 10:56:00 am
Post by: Aseaheru on December 12, 2015, 07:57:48 pm
Also, I think some of the spawning numbers of some weapons are slightly off, I found three L523-LMG in three houses in three minutes...
Post by: Kaitol on December 14, 2015, 11:47:30 pm
FB51 Optical Cloak? The hell? Oh god, now my elementary school-er character is going to think they're goddamn Harry Potter.
And I even freaking built her to be stealth character/elf. It's just too perfect.
Post by: Azated on December 28, 2015, 01:37:56 am
Post by: pisskop on December 28, 2015, 05:14:25 am
Post by: Girlinhat on December 28, 2015, 05:37:22 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on December 28, 2015, 06:18:23 am
Post by: n9103 on December 28, 2015, 08:44:04 am
Enter moves things by default... If you only need one you press enter. If you want the whole stack you press M. If you only need a few you press m and enter the amount. (could make a case for reversing that, but it's easy to rebind 'm' to whole stack and 'M' to partial)Seems like the default *should* be the move all, not partial, yes.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on December 28, 2015, 09:10:15 am
It'll probably be hard to push that as a change with how easy it is to change keybinds for yourself, but I'll make sure to point it out on IRC when I have the chance.Enter moves things by default... If you only need one you press enter. If you want the whole stack you press M. If you only need a few you press m and enter the amount. (could make a case for reversing that, but it's easy to rebind 'm' to whole stack and 'M' to partial)Seems like the default *should* be the move all, not partial, yes.
In the meantime I tried it out, and yeah, it seems rather easier to use. I'd have even preferred something like Shift+Enter, but the ingame keybind recognition doesn't seem to be able to differentiate it from a regular Enter keypress.
Post by: KillerHP on December 28, 2015, 02:27:04 pm
Post by: beorn080 on December 28, 2015, 11:45:22 pm
Post by: Nullsrc on December 29, 2015, 12:12:24 am
I hope when there is an excessive number of drugs added, and a revamp of the drug system.I can envision an experimental build that just breaks the spawning of the drugs, and there's Xanax everywhere
On another note, started up a new world and genned a bionic agent named Mark Frost. Started in an evac shelter with a static NPC named Evelynn Frost. Something fun might come of this.
And Mark's a stealthy psychopathic animal-hater. This will be fun.
Post by: Orange Wizard on December 29, 2015, 01:13:03 am
Post by: Kaitol on December 29, 2015, 07:29:54 pm
Not to mention all the time spent disassembling rags to get the hundreds and hundreds of thread I now need for simple repairs.
Post by: Aseaheru on December 29, 2015, 07:42:30 pm
Post by: Kaitol on December 29, 2015, 08:23:32 pm
Post by: Adragis on December 29, 2015, 08:25:22 pm
Post by: Kaitol on December 30, 2015, 12:25:11 am
Post by: Aseaheru on December 30, 2015, 12:27:32 am
That makes slightly more sense that they jsut upped the numbers by a factor of what sounds like 5.
Post by: Sheb on December 30, 2015, 08:01:22 am
Post by: n9103 on December 30, 2015, 09:45:09 am
If it's only 1cm/charge, then I think the new numbers would be much more appropriate.
I use a couple feet of thread when I IRL thoroughly repair just a moderately sized rip/tear (say between 3-6")
The reinforcing process would basically involve stitching on top of most existing stitches, as well as adding a few cross-panel stitches on the more vulnerable non-seam areas.
Rough estimate for me to fully reinforce a t-shirt, the low end I would put at probably... ~35-50' depending on size.
Spoiler: Estimate breakdown for the curious (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on December 30, 2015, 11:31:14 am
Post by: pisskop on December 30, 2015, 11:33:03 am
Post by: Adragis on December 30, 2015, 12:11:07 pm
Post by: Kaitol on December 30, 2015, 06:30:05 pm
Is this intentional? It seems a bit silly that its impossible to break a grab by killing the thing that grabbed you if anything else that can grab is in range.
Post by: BigD145 on December 30, 2015, 07:04:26 pm
So if a zombie grabs me, and another zombie walks into range, I'm still grabbed even if I kill the original grabber AND it says the additional zombie failed to grab me as well.
Is this intentional? It seems a bit silly that its impossible to break a grab by killing the thing that grabbed you if anything else that can grab is in range.
It must be hard mode. The AI is cheating.
Post by: Orange Wizard on December 30, 2015, 07:19:13 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 30, 2015, 07:22:12 pm
Post by: Akura on December 30, 2015, 07:36:10 pm
I'm kinda curious what they're using as the unit length for a charge of thread.
How many units of thread make a small string? 50? Small strings used to be called 6" strings, so one unit of thread would be 0.12", probably a bit more if you have to tie them together.
Post by: beorn080 on December 30, 2015, 09:10:20 pm
Post by: i2amroy on December 30, 2015, 10:43:54 pm
Pretty sure the game just registers the player as grabbed as long as there's a hostile creature adjacent, rather than also registering the grabber.This is pretty close to the actual scenario, yeah. It's one of the current limitations of the effects system.
Post by: n9103 on December 30, 2015, 11:15:44 pm
Small strings used to be called 6" strings, so one unit of thread would be 0.12", probably a bit more if you have to tie them together.Ah, right, I forgot they had that specified once. Well then, I guess I've no idea how they're measuring the charges. (50 6" pieces would be a rope more than a string...)
My IRL estimate still stands, for what it's worth in future balancing/debate purposes.
Post by: pisskop on December 30, 2015, 11:21:38 pm
6 short strings is 1 long string
6 Long Strings is 1 6' short rope
5 short ropes is a 30' long rope
30 rags is a short rope
1 short rope is a seatbelt
1 rag is 200 thread salvaged
And my personal favorites:
1 leather patch and 20 thread is a sling (david and goliath sling)
1 sling is deconned into 3 long strings
1 long string is broken into 6 short string and those into *50* thread each
900 thread minus 20 thread for the original recipe means 1 leather patch is worth 880 thread in 1.6 hours of work.
1 rag takes 2 hours to make 200 thread.
Post by: Descan on December 31, 2015, 01:30:06 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on December 31, 2015, 02:01:50 am
Post by: pisskop on December 31, 2015, 03:03:54 am
Since when is a rag 200 thread? It used to be 100, taking 1 hour?maybe my head is broked, but as an alcoholic this is what I have in my head. Taking swigs in betweem small jobs.
Post by: teoleo on January 09, 2016, 05:13:30 am
Post by: Greiger on January 10, 2016, 05:41:12 pm
Just took out a set of military outpost turrets with their help, before the turrets were fully out of ammo. (admittedly I planned for her to be a bullet sponge, but it seems all that heavy armor I gave her worked wonders.) The ability to ask them to use certain equipment, organize their armor, see their hp, and use items on them seems to be a massive improvement to their usability.
I usually pack up NPCs in houses near my home base. and while I'm still doing that with some of them, primarily teachers, I am having quite a bit of fun with some more decked out survivors. Finally I have a use for all that extra gear.
This is in a recent experimental btw, not stable.
Post by: Kaitol on January 11, 2016, 02:46:16 am
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Post by: Orange Wizard on January 13, 2016, 05:02:56 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on January 13, 2016, 05:04:14 am
where i can find a funnel?Hardware stores are your best bet. You can also craft a makeshift one from some common materials, but they're not as good.
Post by: teoleo on January 13, 2016, 06:05:40 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on January 13, 2016, 06:23:58 am
Post by: teoleo on January 13, 2016, 06:29:27 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on January 13, 2016, 07:34:35 am
Post by: teoleo on January 13, 2016, 02:40:23 pm
You need a container for the impure water and an empty container for the clean water. If you craft as a batch or if the container only had one unit of water, they can be the same one.
thk...
and how i can go inside a gun store?
Post by: Ivefan on January 13, 2016, 02:51:21 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on January 13, 2016, 03:09:07 pm
and how i can go inside a gun store?Lockpicks, sledgehammers, explosives, acetylene torches, vehicles through the windows... You have lots of options, but most of them are risky and/or costly.
Certain gun stores also have a weaker tile of wall on one side that is easier to break through. A baseball bat or a wood axe might do on those, depending on your strength.
Post by: Blaze on January 13, 2016, 03:36:32 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on January 13, 2016, 03:45:03 pm
Not just you, it would seem.
Post by: pisskop on January 13, 2016, 04:12:08 pm
Post by: iceball3 on January 13, 2016, 07:43:59 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on January 13, 2016, 10:52:01 pm
Post by: Greiger on January 13, 2016, 11:15:45 pm
....unless of course, the Illuminati found the game and shut them down because they saw the game is exactly how they plan to destroy civilization so that they can recreate it in their own image with citizens that are more subservient to their wishes. And that black out agents of the Illuminati have murdered all the major devs in their sleep and bribed all the minor ones into silence with their own personal island in the pacific.
....or the site just went down unexpectedly.
Post by: BigD145 on January 14, 2016, 12:41:42 pm
Post by: i2amroy on January 14, 2016, 03:33:44 pm
Post by: Kaitol on January 14, 2016, 10:18:08 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 14, 2016, 10:35:09 pm
Post by: teoleo on January 18, 2016, 10:02:52 am
Post by: beorn080 on January 18, 2016, 10:24:52 am
is possible to heal a arm or leg with 0hp ?Yes. Craft and wear a splint. I think they may heal automatically, even without, but a splint speeds it up. Still takes a few days. Also, I think a hospital might still be able to help, but its very risky.
Post by: teoleo on January 18, 2016, 10:51:00 am
Post by: Greiger on January 18, 2016, 11:19:03 pm
Post by: DragonDePlatino on January 19, 2016, 06:38:03 pm
Any tips for newbies that aren't necessarily spoilers? Like good ways to approach the game, settings or things that aren't explained that well?
Post by: Descan on January 19, 2016, 06:55:51 pm
Generally, unless you're carrying something REALLY heavy like an engine or a truck wheel, your main obstacle is lack of volume, like pockets and backpacks.
Warmth is semi-hard to do, generally you can get everything covered and warm, but doing it without encumberance is a puzzle, and so is covering your mouth/face without getting it frostbitten.
Always carry a (butchering-quality) knife, hammer, and screwdriver. If you can get a toolbox, all the better, but you still need the knife. This way you can dismantle things that you come across on the fly, and butcher zombie corpses.
A (bone/wood) sewing needle and a sewing kit are basically interchangable.
You can dismantle most things to get their base components, like rags or leather patches, though some things need a special tool like a soldering iron or a knife to do it.
You can get thread from rags by dismantling/cutting them, and you can use this thread with a needle to repair and reinforce your clothing, which trains tailoring so you can eventually make your own, much better items.
Books are a godsend, one of the first places I loot if it's even remotely accessible is a library. Store them in your base and read them when you're not out hunting for supplies. You don't need to read them entirely, just get the skill out of them and keep them near your crafting stations so as to use them for recipes, you don't need to memorize the recipes (you generally memorize them by doing the actual crafting)
If something SOUNDS too strong to fight, it generally is. Special mention to brutes, hulks, and robots: they will kick the ass of even strong characters if you don't fight them smart.
SOME OF THIS MAY BE OUTDATED BY 6+ MONTHS.
Post by: Akura on January 19, 2016, 09:06:06 pm
Generally, unless you're carrying something REALLY heavy like an engine or a truck wheel, your main obstacle is lack of volume, like pockets and backpacks.Fun fact, if you need to move something with a lot of volume, you can wield it.
Warmth is semi-hard to do, generally you can get everything covered and warm, but doing it without encumberance is a puzzle, and so is covering your mouth/face without getting it frostbitten.Balaclava is your friend and easy to make. Probably won't deal with ALL the cold, but it helps.
Always carry a (butchering-quality) knife, hammer, and screwdriver. If you can get a toolbox, all the better, but you still need the knife. This way you can dismantle things that you come across on the fly, and butcher zombie corpses.Note: You can {S}mash corpses to prevent them getting back up. Toolboxes are also very large and heavy. Keep the hammer and screwdriver.
A (bone/wood) sewing needle and a sewing kit are basically interchangable.I've been wondering about this one. Don't lower quality tailoring tools make you more likely to fail at tailoring?
You can dismantle most things to get their base components, like rags or leather patches, though some things need a special tool like a soldering iron or a knife to do it.Applying a knife can give you the option to cut up something as well.
You can get thread from rags by dismantling/cutting them, and you can use this thread with a needle to repair and reinforce your clothing, which trains tailoring so you can eventually make your own, much better items.Do note that disassembling a rag for thread takes a long time.
Post by: blazing glory on January 19, 2016, 09:26:01 pm
My own preferred source of thread would be smashing windows for long string, disassemble the string and the smaller strings and you get 300 thread, faster then rags too.You can get thread from rags by dismantling/cutting them, and you can use this thread with a needle to repair and reinforce your clothing, which trains tailoring so you can eventually make your own, much better items.Do note that disassembling a rag for thread takes a long time.
Post by: Descan on January 19, 2016, 09:41:46 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on January 19, 2016, 09:51:11 pm
Any tips for newbies that aren't necessarily spoilers? Like good ways to approach the game, settings or things that aren't explained that well?
Choosing a good weapon is important. Spear type weapons, wooden bludgeoning weapons or unarmed combat with a simple but effective martial art are probably best starting off. Slashing weapons, especially the early ones, get stuck in things too often to be really viable at the start. You can branch out to basically any weapon once your Melee skill is decent[6ish, usually], though, so don't feel boxed in by your early choices.
Try to keep torso encumbrance at a minimum while maximizing storage space, warmth and protection. Below or equal to the level of your Melee skill is generally a good guideline.
If you're starting as a survivor[They're pretty good, so I recommend doing just that], your winter coat will kill you if you try to to fight while wearing it early on. Either drop a couple points in Melee & Dodging or try and take it off before fighting some zeds. It takes some time to take off, so make sure you're far enough away to doff your coat before the zombies start bopping you.
Speed is important. Almost any speed or mobility traits you pick at the start of the game will be godsends early on and won't lose much luster later either. Don't stack more then maybe two of them though, there are often better things for your starting points to be used for. Apparently you can change movement modes now, so sprinting away from things is probably a good plan if things go south.
This is a bit more spoilery, but ALWAYS take Robust Genetics. While it takes forever to get to, the games' mutation system is really neat and Robust Genetics makes it much MUCH easier to fiddle with.
Avoid smoke like the plague: Exposure without a gas or filter mask will mess you up for hours afterwards and can be fatal if you're already beat up.
Pain above double digits severely impairs your ability to fight. Call it quits if you get too beat up.
Infections will auto-kill you after a few days, so they're pretty nasty if left untreated. First aid kits and disinfectant cure it if the wound is blue. If you have neither, but have a lighter or a matchbook on you, cauterize the wound with a knife until it is no longer affected. This hurts a lot and does substantial damage, so maybe end your scavenging trip after doing this. I think you need antibiotics or other more advanced medicine once the infection's set in and the affected limb is green.
If you're playing with static NPCs[Which I recommend, although dynamic NPCs are still really buggy, IIRC], the starting one in the shelter is a mid-grade weapon of destruction. Herd them towards zombies and they'll generally tear through them pretty easily so you can loot their stuff. Ware friendly fire though, especially if they have flamethrowers. They can also make enough noise to attract nastier zombies, so don't follow them too closely.
Stats, like Int or Str, are very difficult to raise. There are a few lategame ways to to it, but you'll keep your starting stats for quite a while. Skills are usually easier to raise, especially for the first few levels of them, so avoid putting too many starting points in them. Traits are the same: You can eventually gain more through lategame means, but that won't be for a while yet.
Stay healthy. Don't drink water without boiling it. Vitamins are your friend. Eat a couple a day and you won't get sick. Sickness is hella lame.
Foodwise, forests are your best bet if heading to town to scavenge is too dangerous. [E]xamining undergrowth lets you forage for food and any decently sized forest will net you more then enough food, although some basic skills are required to take full advantage of it.
Don't minmax yourself TOO much. There are a couple traits that are basically free points, but many other disadvantages[Like the various allergies and ESPECIALY Glass Jaw] will become headaches later down the road[Literally, in the case of the latter].
Ampersands are bad news. That's almost always the case in roguelikes and C:DDA is no exception.
Moose will fuck your shit up pretty badly. And, as a Canadian, I can confirm this is realistic. Real life moose are ornery fuckers who attack CARS. And usually win, although sometimes posthumously.
Some people rave about finding a car with enough wheels and fuel early and driving it around everywhere, but cars make decent noise and the interface is tricky. Maybe designate one as your getaway car if a REALLY nasty enemy appears, but otherwise stay away from them until later in the game.
A good base of operations is pretty important. The starting shelter can work well, but any other hideout with the following things going for it will be just fine as well:
- A constant light source. The working terminal in the starting shelter is by far the best example of this, especially early-game. A torch can substitute for this in a pinch, but isn't as sustainable.
- A basement, where you can sleep. Being on a seperate z-level, zombies can't smell you as well when you're there. Again, starting shelter works great.
- An infinite source of water. Mansions and hotels have swimming pools, which have functionally unlimited amounts of water in them. Otherwise, toilets and rainfall will usually be fine unless you're spending a LOT of time reading skill books or something.
Post by: pisskop on January 19, 2016, 10:01:50 pm
In the newer experimentals splints are used on one arm/leg. Be sure its on the correct limb, and switch sides if you need to.is possible to heal a arm or leg with 0hp ?Yes. Craft and wear a splint. I think they may heal automatically, even without, but a splint speeds it up. Still takes a few days. Also, I think a hospital might still be able to help, but its very risky.
Post by: Gentlefish on January 19, 2016, 10:27:06 pm
Maybe designate one as your geSenpaiy car
Someone has a crush on tawa :P
Post by: Arcvasti on January 19, 2016, 11:08:28 pm
Maybe designate one as your geSenpaiy car
Someone has a crush on Senpai:P
Oh. OH. That makes so much sense now. I though "geSenpaiy" was just a meme I didn't recognize and that everyone else used. Apparently its just an unintended consequence of my textreplace add-on corrupting "Getaway". Well. Should be fixed now, I hope.
Post by: Orange Wizard on January 19, 2016, 11:14:00 pm
Post by: DreamThorn on January 20, 2016, 07:20:06 am
I dare you to disagree! 8)
Post by: scrdest on January 20, 2016, 07:25:48 am
I'm starting to think "lightweight" might actually be an advantage, rather than disadvantage. The reason: one beer is a near-instant boost to strength and morale.Heavy Eater, similarly - it's only barely a disadvantage unless you're REALLY short on food, and if not, you get a better chance of morale regen since you can eat deliciosity more often.
I dare you to disagree! 8)
Post by: DreamThorn on January 20, 2016, 07:50:28 am
Post by: Majestic7 on January 20, 2016, 08:25:02 am
Excellent beginner tips, in my opinion. One note about books - they are great thing to have when you are wounded. Healing takes time, so why not spend it reading books til you are completely healed again? It is a bad idea to go out wounded unless you absolutely have to, so better shack down in your safehouse with some manuals.
Post by: Graknorke on January 20, 2016, 08:26:52 am
Post by: Mephansteras on January 20, 2016, 11:04:12 am
It's a great trait, but really more of a seasoned player thing in my opinion, and one I rarely take myself unless I'm planning on playing around with mutations with a given character.
Post by: BigD145 on January 20, 2016, 11:17:56 am
Yeah, that's a pretty good list. I disagree with the Robust Genetics thing, though. While that system is a lot of fun to play with, you're rarely get to do anything with it when you're just starting out in the game (you rarely live that long). And the points could be much better spent on stats or a starting profession that'll help you survive and learn the game more.
It's a great trait, but really more of a seasoned player thing in my opinion, and one I rarely take myself unless I'm planning on playing around with mutations with a given character.
If you turn radiation mutation on then robust genetics is a good thing.
Post by: Tawa on January 20, 2016, 04:36:08 pm
So does that mean Tawa is your senpai?To compensate I changed his name to "Kōhai" a few weeks ago. I introduced him to the add-on.
Post by: Orange Wizard on January 20, 2016, 09:03:08 pm
Post by: Micro102 on January 23, 2016, 09:39:05 pm
Post by: Greiger on January 23, 2016, 10:02:26 pm
Post by: Tawa on January 23, 2016, 10:43:22 pm
Post by: freeze on January 23, 2016, 10:44:34 pm
As far as the next official release I'd estimate it won't be anytime soon, based solely on commits and pulls on the github. Some pretty important functionality was refactored with more on the way, a few new features are in the pipeline, all of which will need to be tested and polished. No clue about big content patches in the works. If there are any they could push a release even further off.
Post by: teoleo on January 26, 2016, 06:54:41 am
I can confirm splints work. I had an NPC buddy stand in spitter acid like adumbassintelligence impaired person and she had 0 hp with both legs. Moved at like 1/4th speed. Made two leg splints and told her to use them and her hp on her legs got better after about 24 hours.
one leg is healing...but only one leg...why?
Post by: i2amroy on January 26, 2016, 10:21:28 am
Post by: Kaitol on January 26, 2016, 05:00:52 pm
At this point it would literally be faster and more resource efficient to just make a new goddamn hoodie then try to repair one. Which I would if I had the rags.
Post by: Gentlefish on January 26, 2016, 05:20:50 pm
Post by: Kaitol on January 26, 2016, 06:10:39 pm
I'm tempted to cheat and see how often a 24 skill tailor damages clothing trying to repair it.
The only other thing I can think of is if it is based on stats.
Post by: i2amroy on January 26, 2016, 06:43:00 pm
repair % chance = 5 + tailoring level - difficulty
damage % chance = 5 - ((current DEX - tool quality) / 5)
So in general raising your tailoring level gives you an additional 1% increase in your base 5% repair chance, while each point of dexterity reduces your base 5% damage chance. That said there is a bug here, that should be "+ tool quality", not minus. As is your fancy tailoring kit actually increases your chance of damaging an item by 1%, rather than decreasing it. I'm getting a PR up to fix that as we speak. (BTW a lvl 24 tailor with 8 DEX will repair an item 26% of the time, damage it 3.4% of the time, and do nothing for the rest of the attempts).
Post by: TheBronzePickle on January 26, 2016, 07:19:47 pm
Post by: i2amroy on January 26, 2016, 07:31:49 pm
B) Pretty sure 0 is the lowest it goes. Autolearn recipes might technically have a difficulty of -1 in some cases, but I haven't looked at the recipes list any time recently so I'm not sure.
C) They are actually rolled somewhat simultaneously as a single roll, though in the crazy broken case where you had say like 0 dex and 200 tailoring skill and they overlap then the damage roll takes precedence. Exact steps go like this:
1) Game calculates damage_chance and repair_chance (as decimal percentages, i.e. 26% = .26)
2) Game rolls a number from 0 to 1
3) If the number is in the top damage_chance percent (i.e. if damage_chance is .2, and you roll a number > .8) then it damage the item
4) Else if the number is in the bottom repair_chance percent (i.e. < repair_chance) than it repairs the item
5) Else nothing happens
Post by: Kaitol on January 28, 2016, 04:49:13 pm
Post by: Xardalas on January 28, 2016, 04:51:27 pm
Post by: Tawa on January 28, 2016, 05:00:16 pm
Post by: Xardalas on January 28, 2016, 05:02:38 pm
Post by: Kaitol on January 28, 2016, 05:18:27 pm
Pretty sure anyone can make a splint though.
Post by: Xardalas on January 28, 2016, 05:19:50 pm
Post by: Micro102 on January 28, 2016, 11:04:46 pm
Post by: BigD145 on January 28, 2016, 11:45:04 pm
Ok, who added the pokeball to the game?
Fungal Magikarp
Use Splash Attack
It's Super Effective
Post by: Azated on January 29, 2016, 04:28:42 am
So... are day one hulks supposed to be impossible.. or just unlikely. Because my poor tailor just tried to take one on day one with a heavy .303 machinegun they ripped off a light tank. It seemed like a good idea at the time. but then like 75 out of 80 shots missed at point blank range while fully aimed and.. uh... yeah. At least I don't have to worry about getting them a new hoodie now...
Hulks are meant to be pretty much always impossible. They can punch you so hard you fly through walls and have heaps and heaps of health. They also move faster than regular zombies.
Also, machine guns kinda suck unless they're mounted on something. You can just make a light frame and slap it on that and it'll be significantly less crap, but it won't be anywhere near as good as a high skilled survivor using a rifle of some kind or point blank shots with a shotgun or high powered pistol like a revolver.
Post by: BigD145 on January 29, 2016, 11:01:33 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuW_aWbxpeM
Post by: Akura on January 29, 2016, 05:59:17 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/14791A funny bug coupled with a video of something that can probably considered animal abuse. I thought it was something really bad there for a second.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuW_aWbxpeM
Post by: Kaitol on January 29, 2016, 06:47:56 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 30, 2016, 01:22:22 pm
PKs rebalance mod (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=12051.0)
-Designed with the hopes of adding more vanilla zombies and more challenge
-Reworks spawn lists and evolution paths
Several new zombies are added, and I try not to stray too far from the vanilla monsters.
Post by: BigD145 on January 30, 2016, 01:35:21 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 30, 2016, 02:16:14 pm
Post by: Micro102 on January 30, 2016, 07:09:50 pm
Post by: BigD145 on January 30, 2016, 08:08:34 pm
If I were to readjust the window height and length, what would be the perfect settings, so max vision would match up with what I can see?
No clue. Everyone has different screen resolutions. Type in numbers and find out.
Post by: Gentlefish on January 30, 2016, 10:01:12 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on January 30, 2016, 11:55:06 pm
If I were to readjust the window height and length, what would be the perfect settings, so max vision would match up with what I can see?That is pretty much unpossible for daylight without using graphics tiles. Daylight view distance is something like 60 tiles I think, so you'd need 120 tiles of window height. If you find a custom 10x10 tileset to use, you'll need 1200 pixels of vertical resolution to fit that window on the screen, and a very big monitor at that to be able to see the 10x10 tiles without ruining your eyes.
If you use graphics tiles, you can use 'z' to zoom out and fit your whole view in a window of much smaller size, but I find that to not be particularly useful. If you just want to keep an eye on terrain and enemies, there's the new pixelmap that's much more useful for that.
Post by: Micro102 on January 31, 2016, 12:45:05 am
Post by: Aseaheru on January 31, 2016, 01:01:19 am
Post by: Micro102 on January 31, 2016, 01:16:52 am
Yes.
What's the trigger? Every hour while sleeping? Every hour in general? Every minute?
Post by: Akura on January 31, 2016, 08:05:02 am
Post by: teoleo on January 31, 2016, 12:17:31 pm
Post by: Ivefan on January 31, 2016, 01:42:20 pm
how i can approach a militar site and pass the turret??Bring a long range rifle or a bunch of enemies following you to empty the turrets of bullets
Post by: IcyTea31 on January 31, 2016, 01:44:28 pm
how i can approach a militar site and pass the turret??Sniper rifles, EMP weapons, rocket launchers, superalloy armour, teleporters, active cloaking... Getting past or through turrets usually requires some serious endgame gear. If you're lucky, you can sometimes approach from a blind angle and get close enough to attack their relatively frail bodies with lower-end weapons, but it's rare because there usually isn't just one.
Do note, however, that you probably don't need to get to a military site right now. The site won't go anywhere if you back off and return later with better gear.
Post by: i2amroy on January 31, 2016, 04:05:34 pm
That is pretty much unpossible for daylight without using graphics tiles. Daylight view distance is something like 60 tiles I think, so you'd need 120 tiles of window height. If you find a custom 10x10 tileset to use, you'll need 1200 pixels of vertical resolution to fit that window on the screen, and a very big monitor at that to be able to see the 10x10 tiles without ruining your eyes.This is where I'm supposed to make some comment about 4K-less peasants right? :P
Post by: MasterFancyPants on January 31, 2016, 04:10:40 pm
That is pretty much unpossible for daylight without using graphics tiles. Daylight view distance is something like 60 tiles I think, so you'd need 120 tiles of window height. If you find a custom 10x10 tileset to use, you'll need 1200 pixels of vertical resolution to fit that window on the screen, and a very big monitor at that to be able to see the 10x10 tiles without ruining your eyes.This is where I'm supposed to make some comment about 4K-less peasants right? :P
will dis game be on xbox 1?
Post by: Orange Wizard on January 31, 2016, 06:01:02 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on January 31, 2016, 06:11:04 pm
Post by: Kaitol on January 31, 2016, 06:20:39 pm
Military Outposts are tougher. I suggest making a pneumatic bolt driver and a bunch of bolts, and shooting at the things from outside their range.
Post by: Dorfs R Fun on January 31, 2016, 07:25:22 pm
Hey guys, I iz a modder now!This looks awesome. I'm going to update my game because of this. Crosses fingers for no broken saves.
PKs rebalance mod (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=12051.0)
-Designed with the hopes of adding more vanilla zombies and more challenge
-Reworks spawn lists and evolution paths
Several new zombies are added, and I try not to stray too far from the vanilla monsters.
Thanks!
Post by: Micro102 on February 01, 2016, 08:41:34 am
Apparently I can make an entire trench coat out of rags and thread, but can't fix a hole.
Post by: iceball3 on February 01, 2016, 03:35:33 pm
I think it's a bit ridiculous that at level 4 tailoring and with a tailor's kit, you still have a good chance of going from a fully repaired piece of clothing to destroying it when trying to reinforce.Yeah, that is a bit of a problem. Seems like in trying to nerf tailoring a few discrepancies in what would be considered a pursuit requiring skill. Often enough, it takes me more resources to repair a trenchcoat then to replace it by making one in a cave with a box of scraps. More time, too.
Apparently I can make an entire trench coat out of rags and thread, but can't fix a hole.
Post by: Micro102 on February 01, 2016, 05:43:56 pm
Post by: pisskop on February 01, 2016, 05:49:17 pm
Best to stop and let the thing reset itself before trying again.
Post by: BigD145 on February 01, 2016, 05:53:50 pm
O god, it works this way for repairing metal weapons.... My zweihander is about to break! Thankfully I have a backup katana until I can grind my mechanics up to like....8.
Grind to 20 or 30, just to be safe.
Post by: Darkmere on February 01, 2016, 07:03:31 pm
Post by: Dostoevsky on February 01, 2016, 10:28:47 pm
Post by: Darkmere on February 01, 2016, 11:20:53 pm
Post by: Dostoevsky on February 01, 2016, 11:52:04 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on February 03, 2016, 11:49:29 am
Post by: pisskop on February 03, 2016, 04:27:45 pm
But I dont have many issues with the basics. Even at level 2 I was still capable of repairing my stuff, and by level 3 I was fortifying it.
And it doesnt that that long to do. The last time I played as a not 'slow learner' was back in the stables.
Granted its more tedious now thiugh
Post by: i2amroy on February 03, 2016, 05:20:04 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on February 03, 2016, 07:01:21 pm
Post by: Graknorke on February 03, 2016, 07:44:33 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on February 03, 2016, 07:54:39 pm
That said, the new rates of that sorta thing happening are rather ludicrous.
Post by: freeze on February 03, 2016, 09:15:24 pm
Post by: kilakan on February 04, 2016, 01:50:29 am
Post by: Darkmere on February 04, 2016, 02:33:29 am
Post by: Fniff on February 04, 2016, 11:49:43 am
The last two times I got progress with a character, they've killed me while I was exploring. The fact they hang around army/science/gangster corpses means that you could walk into their vision range very easily. Don't get me wrong, they're a cool enemy, they just need to be moved away from the surface or have their aggro chance reduced massively.
They're boss enemies wandering around what's meant to be the starting area.
Post by: Rince Wind on February 04, 2016, 11:54:31 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on February 04, 2016, 12:02:26 pm
Post by: Fniff on February 04, 2016, 12:28:09 pm
There is no such thing as a starting area. And, unless it changed, usually you can see a Mi-go before it aggrosThe last time I got killed, the mi-go basically rushed me around a corner. Mi-gos are not suited as a guard role - they're way too aggressive. A better choice would be something that sticks to an area and kills anything in that area, and loses interest in anything outside of it. Make it chase players if they try plinking it outside it's spot.
You can be best buds with mi-gos if you get the Insect Pheromones mutation. When they mimic speech, they often give more moment-appropriate dialogue than some NPCs do, in my opinion.Don't get me wrong, I love mi-gos. They're really atmospheric enemies, they're just too high-powered to have them one-shot PCs just four days in. They are better suited as lab enemies.
Post by: Rince Wind on February 04, 2016, 12:38:37 pm
Post by: Fniff on February 04, 2016, 12:39:54 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on February 04, 2016, 02:12:31 pm
I don't really think they guard those corpses. They just happened upon them and killed them. And now they see a new potential victim...No, no, they just want to take you on a research expedition across the universe. Doing that is much easier when your brain is in a jar and not in that meatsack, though... At least, that is how Lovecraft originally wrote them.
Post by: Rince Wind on February 04, 2016, 02:19:47 pm
Post by: Fniff on February 04, 2016, 02:21:00 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on February 04, 2016, 02:24:59 pm
Post by: Fniff on February 04, 2016, 02:30:22 pm
Post by: Descan on February 04, 2016, 04:25:20 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on February 04, 2016, 06:28:10 pm
But they are talking to you, it's just at they're using the alien version of Babelfish which turns "Hey baby, wanna ditch this post-apocalyptic joint and get on my intergalactic pimpmobile?" into random nonsense and translates your panicked screams as "Yes, I would love to, scrape out my brain so we can do the thing!"Here from the OOCQ thread and this just reminded me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chxuovrbCI
But also, dangit, just lost my place around page 80. Oh well. PTW! :D
Post by: Kaitol on February 04, 2016, 07:18:01 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on February 04, 2016, 07:20:47 pm
How are Mi-Go boss class enemies? They're jokes. Any normal person with something resembling a weapon who isn't a cripple/crippled can kill one or two of them. Either make more combat capable characters or stop trying to beat stuff to death with a pair of pants.
...The hell you on about? my day 7 character who was kicking ass left and right with a quarterstaff got rekt by a solitary Mi-Go.
Post by: Arcvasti on February 04, 2016, 07:24:30 pm
Any normal person with something resembling a weapon who isn't a cripple/crippled can kill one or two of them.
Any normal person with a decent weapon and combat skills can kill them with only minor damage. That's not most early characters. They're really only obnoxious for the first week or so, and mostly because they're really fast. Definitely not boss-class though[I'd reserve boss-class for stuff like Triffid Queens and Shoggoths] and they've got NOTHING on turrets, chicken walkers or tank drones[Which you can ALSO find smack dab outside your starting shelter].
Post by: heydude6 on February 04, 2016, 11:08:14 pm
Post by: Micro102 on February 04, 2016, 11:14:07 pm
Post by: Fniff on February 04, 2016, 11:29:51 pm
Post by: Micro102 on February 05, 2016, 12:28:00 am
Post by: Arcvasti on February 05, 2016, 12:51:58 am
Triffid queens are easy though. All you need is a decent gun that isn't a pistol and they'll be dead with little effort. Melee may be more challenging though.
I'll be honest, the only time I fought one of those was when I was robust enough to farm the Amigara Fault in melee with basically no damage taken. I guess I thought they'd be harder with a less ridiculous character. :P I'm also philosophically opposed to ranged weapons in games like these, so I don't use guns. Closest I come is using the Railgun CBM to fire my metal melee weapon and then using the Electromagnet CBM to get it back to me afterwards.
I guess it's my character set-up; I'm based mainly around dodging so any enemy that combines high-speed and hard hits is a death sentence.
oOOOH, those builds can be quite fun! I've done a couple challenge runs as a dandy[Stylish trait & only wearing the fanciest clothes] and, in my experience, you need a fast and highish damage weapon to stunlock people so they can't hit you as much. Martial Arts works fine[I used Ninjitsu, eventually with retractable claws], as does something like a combat knife, rapier or even a bullwhip. Having block or parry on your weapon helps oodles too. Even then, Dodging builds are all fun and games until the bullets and explosives start flying, FYI. Unless you have whatever CBM let's you Matrix Dodge things, you're gonna need good armour if you plan to get into a lot of the later game areas. I remember it being a pain to deal with turrets in labs when one volley could bring me an inch from death[Fancy suits do not protect against fast-traveling projectiles, even if DO they turn my : | into a :3].
Still, they're still too aggressive to fulfill their purpose on the surface: to guard high-value corpses. There really should be a critter that's more territorial in their place.
Your sight range IS outside of the Mi-Gos' aggro range, so you can technically just go around them once you spot them. In practice, if they're near somewhere I travel to or from often, I end up accidentally cutting across their tile and drawing their ire eventually. I can't remember if there's some way to designate an area as "restricted", like there is in Crawl. If there is, try placing that about a map tile and a half around them to avoid wandering too close.
Post by: pisskop on February 05, 2016, 01:07:10 am
Post by: Arcvasti on February 05, 2016, 01:14:41 am
to beat migo you only need fire and the health to tank their hits until they burn up enough and flee
oh yeah you can just use a molotov cocktail
i keep forgetting you can do that
haha
Post by: Darkmere on February 05, 2016, 01:29:00 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 05, 2016, 02:10:21 am
Post by: Aseaheru on February 05, 2016, 02:19:30 am
Post by: Majestic7 on February 05, 2016, 02:31:14 am
Post by: Kaitol on February 05, 2016, 03:12:58 am
Yeah. Not seeing the problem here. Unless you were too encumbered or you were crippled from pain/cold I don't see what the problem is. Just make sure you drop your backpack and emergency jacket or whatever and kill the damn thing.
Post by: Adragis on February 05, 2016, 03:17:52 am
Post by: kulik on February 05, 2016, 03:54:54 am
Post by: Darkmere on February 05, 2016, 04:42:33 am
*rolls new character* *picks random profession* *leaves stats all 8's and skills all 0's* *smashes locker, grabs rock, makes makeshift crowbar* *goes outside, wanders around looking for mi-go* *eventually finds one, beats to death with makeshift crowbar*
Yeah. Not seeing the problem here. Unless you were too encumbered or you were crippled from pain/cold I don't see what the problem is. Just make sure you drop your backpack and emergency jacket or whatever and kill the damn thing.
I'll admit it's been a while, but I have definitely been ripped up in melee with one while I was wearing some of the lighter kevlar stuff, on a mid-game character. Have they had stats tweaked lately?
Post by: Descan on February 05, 2016, 05:34:08 am
Are items bound to a container, like dropping a backpack drops associated items?It should, but unless it's changed, they are not.
Post by: Akura on February 05, 2016, 05:34:41 am
Are items bound to a container, like dropping a backpack drops associated items?
No. Supposedly, however, if you drop a worn backpack at the same time as a number of items whose volume will fit inside the backpack, then the action takes only as long as it does to take off and drop the backpack, and not the extra time for each individual item.
Post by: Majestic7 on February 05, 2016, 07:46:46 am
I'll admit it's been a while, but I have definitely been ripped up in melee with one while I was wearing some of the lighter kevlar stuff, on a mid-game character. Have they had stats tweaked lately?
I think the fungi boys have always been very dodgy characters, so any arm encumbrance or other melee malus and you can't hit them. They are pretty squishy if you can land hits, though. If you are encumbered, best have a gun.
Post by: IcyTea31 on February 05, 2016, 08:10:46 am
Post by: Arcvasti on February 05, 2016, 09:45:31 pm
*rolls new character* *picks random profession* *leaves stats all 8's and skills all 0's* *smashes locker, grabs rock, makes makeshift crowbar* *goes outside, wanders around looking for mi-go* *eventually finds one, beats to death with makeshift crowbar*
Yeah. Not seeing the problem here. Unless you were too encumbered or you were crippled from pain/cold I don't see what the problem is. Just make sure you drop your backpack and emergency jacket or whatever and kill the damn thing.
Recreating this experiment[Three times] yields me dying in a couple turns to the mi-go while is spouts spooky dialogue. This is with zero torso encumbrance, for the record. Unless mi-go have been nerfed to basic zombie level strength since 0.C[Which is possible, but unlikely], the above is patently false. A proper character a week or so in would have had much less trouble, but they're still pretty fast and quite deadly.
Post by: Fniff on February 05, 2016, 10:38:09 pm
In the experimental, most of the professions that start with guns start with no magazines. They're not particularly useful at the moment.Speaking of, I really like how guns work now. I imagine some people don't, but I just like a post-apocalyptic game that treats guns as powerful and specifically makes sure that you can't have them. Even the Last of Us had you lugging around an armory by the end.
Post by: Tawa on February 05, 2016, 11:10:27 pm
Are you talking about a recent change, or the fact that gun stores are now locked up and inaccessible without higher-level equipment (e.g. acetylene torches, hacksaws)?In the experimental, most of the professions that start with guns start with no magazines. They're not particularly useful at the moment.Speaking of, I really like how guns work now. I imagine some people don't, but I just like a post-apocalyptic game that treats guns as powerful and specifically makes sure that you can't have them. Even the Last of Us had you lugging around an armory by the end.
I agree though. It felt wrong when a viable new-game strategy was to run into town for the nearest gun store and just shoot your way back out. Although, I think that their extreme inaccessibility is a little irritating sometimes; it makes playing weaker characters who're smarter than they are brawny a lot harder than before. Maybe there could be a "robbed gun store" variant with smashed windows that spawns worse/fewer guns and ammo?
Post by: Darkmere on February 05, 2016, 11:20:21 pm
Post by: blazing glory on February 05, 2016, 11:24:16 pm
or the fact that gun stores are now locked up and inaccessible without higher-level equipment (e.g. acetylene torches, hacksaws)?Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.
Post by: iceball3 on February 06, 2016, 12:52:01 pm
My little sister, while playing this game, actually managed to get into a gun store her own way: she found a functioning light tank with shells left, aimed it at the back wall, and blew a hole in it. Was pretty cool.or the fact that gun stores are now locked up and inaccessible without higher-level equipment (e.g. acetylene torches, hacksaws)?Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.
Post by: Tawa on February 06, 2016, 03:46:43 pm
Don't they have barred shop windows and metal doors now? Well, some of them have metal doors, but then the guns are behind barred windows.or the fact that gun stores are now locked up and inaccessible without higher-level equipment (e.g. acetylene torches, hacksaws)?Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.
Heh, I've done something like that once. I tore a grenade launcher off of a tank and shot grenades at the window until it fell apart. (Which reminds me you can't use hacksaws. :v)My little sister, while playing this game, actually managed to get into a gun store her own way: she found a functioning light tank with shells left, aimed it at the back wall, and blew a hole in it. Was pretty cool.or the fact that gun stores are now locked up and inaccessible without higher-level equipment (e.g. acetylene torches, hacksaws)?Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.
Are there still the gun basements? More than once I ran into one of those long before finding the stuff to loot a gun store.Yeah, there are. However, I've found that they have a disproportionately large chance to spawn ammo incompatible with the guns in there, or incredibly small amounts (like 10 bullets) of really good ammo like 9mm +P+.
Post by: Aseaheru on February 06, 2016, 04:00:49 pm
Post by: Descan on February 06, 2016, 04:36:39 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 06, 2016, 05:00:17 pm
I've never gotten far enough to tell, but you can make your own ammo, right?Yeah, there's a book, The Handloader's Helper.
Post by: blazing glory on February 06, 2016, 05:46:18 pm
Again, unless something changed then your lockpicks'll get past the metal door at the front easily, if the layout is the same then you're free to grab stuff off the racks after that.Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.Don't they have barred shop windows and metal doors now? Well, some of them have metal doors, but then the guns are behind barred windows.
Sledgehammer is best lockpick though.
Post by: Aseaheru on February 06, 2016, 05:49:44 pm
I've never gotten far enough to tell, but you can make your own ammo, right?Yeah, there's a book, The Handloader's Helper.
Some of the recipes are also given just by getting fabrication skill high enough. There are also other books, but Handloader's Helper has almost all of the ammo recipes. There are a few that you need to go lab diving or be amazingly lucky to get.
Post by: Akura on February 06, 2016, 06:07:16 pm
My little sister, while playing this game, actually managed to get into a gun store her own way: she found a functioning light tank with shells left, aimed it at the back wall, and blew a hole in it. Was pretty cool.
Reminds me of this scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csv1wXOr5tY).
Post by: beorn080 on February 06, 2016, 06:14:31 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 06, 2016, 07:12:49 pm
Lockpicks don't work on metal doors.Again, unless something changed then your lockpicks'll get past the metal door at the front easily, if the layout is the same then you're free to grab stuff off the racks after that.Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.Don't they have barred shop windows and metal doors now? Well, some of them have metal doors, but then the guns are behind barred windows.
Post by: Rolan7 on February 06, 2016, 07:14:49 pm
Post by: Darkmere on February 06, 2016, 07:58:11 pm
Post by: Micro102 on February 06, 2016, 09:16:10 pm
Lockpicks don't work on metal doors.Again, unless something changed then your lockpicks'll get past the metal door at the front easily, if the layout is the same then you're free to grab stuff off the racks after that.Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.Don't they have barred shop windows and metal doors now? Well, some of them have metal doors, but then the guns are behind barred windows.
I literally just picked a metal door on a gun shop. I am using the latest experimental and have always picked metal doors on gun shops.
Post by: Tawa on February 06, 2016, 10:14:07 pm
EDIT: Although that still serves the purpose of making it impossible to break into gun stores right off of the bat--it's hard to pick a lock with a bunch of zombies you can't fight yet after you.
Post by: Aseaheru on February 06, 2016, 11:26:29 pm
Which makes things interesting.
Post by: Darkmere on February 07, 2016, 12:16:06 am
Post by: Kaitol on February 07, 2016, 02:07:29 am
Post by: Greiger on February 07, 2016, 02:46:12 pm
It's also possible that it might be a wifi access door. The ones that have no keyhole, no numberpad or anything like that, but open on receiving a certain code on a certain radio (or wifi) frequency.
Post by: Nullsrc on February 07, 2016, 05:40:52 pm
EDIT: Side effects may include nausea, dizziness, temporary blindness, combustion, internal bleeding, internal hemorrhaging, explosive diarrhea, heartburn, sudden internal organ collapse, heart palpitations, swelling, itching, deafness, snoring, external bleeding, rapid fat loss, rapid fat loss due to burning fat, muscle deterioration, sudden perforation of skull, inability to throw mininuke, diabetes, sudden inflation, rapid inflation, prolonged inflation, creation of wallpaper (not lickable), and death.
EDIT 2: Other symptoms include feeling reminiscent of the Trash Can Man from The Stand
Post by: Arcvasti on February 07, 2016, 05:54:58 pm
Post by: iceball3 on February 07, 2016, 06:07:41 pm
The anvil is MY lockpicking tool of choice. 40 bash damage per hit can pick almost any lock. And when you think about it, anything is a lock. Hulks, turrets, crafting recipes. The anvil unlocks them all.Assuming reinforcement didn't change, did you know that if you improve it using the soldering iron, you can make the bash damage ratings reach even more ludicrous levels?
Post by: Nullsrc on February 07, 2016, 06:22:02 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on February 07, 2016, 07:32:11 pm
The anvil is MY lockpicking tool of choice. 40 bash damage per hit can pick almost any lock. And when you think about it, anything is a lock. Hulks, turrets, crafting recipes. The anvil unlocks them all.Assuming reinforcement didn't change, did you know that if you improve it using the soldering iron, you can make the bash damage ratings reach even more ludicrous levels?
Yep. Who needs a jackhammer? :P
Post by: Micro102 on February 08, 2016, 01:25:20 am
Post by: Lightningfalcon on February 08, 2016, 02:16:26 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on February 08, 2016, 04:12:59 am
I always used cars as my lockpicks."I keep my lockpick in my car, because it's a bit heavy and... car-shaped. <_<"
Post by: Crazy Horse on February 08, 2016, 07:30:36 am
Post by: Arcvasti on February 08, 2016, 09:56:18 pm
I did get kicked in the head by no less than two moose, those things are absolute demons.
Speaking as a Canadian with rural parents, this is completely realistic[Minus you surviving the moose attack, that is]. Moose do stuff like attack cars unprovoked, usually coming off with less damage in the end. Do not fuck with moose or moose will fuck you up.
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 08, 2016, 09:58:39 pm
Post by: Nullsrc on February 08, 2016, 10:14:32 pm
I'll start writing the eulogies.
Post by: Magnumcannon on February 08, 2016, 10:23:36 pm
Post by: Kruniac on February 08, 2016, 10:41:43 pm
*rolls new character* *picks random profession* *leaves stats all 8's and skills all 0's* *smashes locker, grabs rock, makes makeshift crowbar* *goes outside, wanders around looking for mi-go* *eventually finds one, beats to death with makeshift crowbar*
Yeah. Not seeing the problem here. Unless you were too encumbered or you were crippled from pain/cold I don't see what the problem is. Just make sure you drop your backpack and emergency jacket or whatever and kill the damn thing.
You're either lying or using a modded (outside of the standard mods) game.
Mi-Go have such obscene speed that you can't kill them with a starting character with 0 skills and base stats. Firearms are the best bet, with thick armor if you're using melee.
In fact, Mi-Go are the only thing I've gotten irritated with in Cataclysm. I'm never one to bitch about a hardcore game, but it's a little silly. Even worse, you can't turn them off by default. I've since made a "No Mi-Go" mod, but still.
Post by: Magnumcannon on February 08, 2016, 10:50:00 pm
Mi-Go are the worse! Well, at least for me, i'm still quite a noob. But they're very fast and won't ever give up chasing on you. Just imagine starting a new character, walking a few blocks around the city searching for some supplies and BOOM, a Mi-Go! And that's it! You're pretty much dead!*rolls new character* *picks random profession* *leaves stats all 8's and skills all 0's* *smashes locker, grabs rock, makes makeshift crowbar* *goes outside, wanders around looking for mi-go* *eventually finds one, beats to death with makeshift crowbar*
Yeah. Not seeing the problem here. Unless you were too encumbered or you were crippled from pain/cold I don't see what the problem is. Just make sure you drop your backpack and emergency jacket or whatever and kill the damn thing.
You're either lying or using a modded (outside of the standard mods) game.
Mi-Go have such obscene speed that you can't kill them with a starting character with 0 skills and base stats. Firearms are the best bet, with thick armor if you're using melee.
In fact, Mi-Go are the only thing I've gotten irritated with in Cataclysm. I'm never one to bitch about a hardcore game, but it's a little silly. Even worse, you can't turn them off by default. I've since made a "No Mi-Go" mod, but still.
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 08, 2016, 10:57:16 pm
Post by: Fniff on February 09, 2016, 12:27:56 am
Post by: freeze on February 09, 2016, 01:14:28 am
*rolls new character* *picks random profession* *leaves stats all 8's and skills all 0's* *smashes locker, grabs rock, makes makeshift crowbar* *goes outside, wanders around looking for mi-go* *eventually finds one, beats to death with makeshift crowbar*
Yeah. Not seeing the problem here. Unless you were too encumbered or you were crippled from pain/cold I don't see what the problem is. Just make sure you drop your backpack and emergency jacket or whatever and kill the damn thing.
You're either lying or using a modded (outside of the standard mods) game.
Mi-Go have such obscene speed that you can't kill them with a starting character with 0 skills and base stats. Firearms are the best bet, with thick armor if you're using melee.
In fact, Mi-Go are the only thing I've gotten irritated with in Cataclysm. I'm never one to bitch about a hardcore game, but it's a little silly. Even worse, you can't turn them off by default. I've since made a "No Mi-Go" mod, but still.
It's certainly possible and a makeshift crowbar is a good choice. I'd use bushes over a windowsill though, you'll probably need to beat on it for a while. Run mode is like, get out of jail, free, forever, man.
Post by: Rolan7 on February 09, 2016, 01:27:30 am
I love this game for the stories people find with it, and it's impressive depth. I want to try again, more seriously this time, finding proper layers and making a fire and such.
But, surely any melee fight is a flirtation with the RNG? I assume it's safer to go with... spears, or bow and arrow? I wasn't caught up with this thread until very recently (due to the OOCQ quotes thread) so I have no idea about the current meta.
Post by: Adragis on February 09, 2016, 01:38:26 am
Post by: freeze on February 09, 2016, 01:41:08 am
Post by: Darkmere on February 09, 2016, 01:48:34 am
I did a run of this a couple weeks ago, basically made a martial-arts master and roamed around the starting spot killing everything with Krav Maga. Eventually quit while trying to sleep in a nearby house but being too cold, and also it was completely dark. Kinda tedious...
I love this game for the stories people find with it, and it's impressive depth. I want to try again, more seriously this time, finding proper layers and making a fire and such.
But, surely any melee fight is a flirtation with the RNG? I assume it's safer to go with... spears, or bow and arrow? I wasn't caught up with this thread until very recently (due to the OOCQ quotes thread) so I have no idea about the current meta.
You have to worry about basic needs first. Get clothing, clean water, unspoiled perishable food. Train tailoring, make some kind of armor, use a spear or blunt weapon so they can't get stuck (I don't think spears can get stuck...).
Unless bows have been radically changed, they were a huge pain in the ass AND RNG-dependent on finding the right books to make effective ones with decent arrows. I preferred the pneumatic range of weapons from mechanics, but that's harder to get going.
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 09, 2016, 01:49:51 am
But, surely any melee fight is a flirtation with the RNG? I assume it's safer to go with... spears, or bow and arrow? I wasn't caught up with this thread until very recently (due to the OOCQ quotes thread) so I have no idea about the current meta.The RNG isn't bullshitty. As long as you make sure you're decently prepared (low encumbrance, KNIFE SPEAR, etc.) and do the lead-things-over-bushes tactic, you're pretty much set against most early game enemies.
More difficult enemies need better skills and equipment but the principles are the same. Hit them when they can't hit you, use excessive explosive ordnance if you're unsure. Don't take risks, and so on.
Post by: Adragis on February 09, 2016, 01:50:28 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 09, 2016, 02:12:10 am
Post by: pisskop on February 09, 2016, 06:50:05 am
Seriously guys? Run over the migo, or else stand next to a bush and start a fire. the fire will wound it heavily as it stands on it.
Post by: Magnumcannon on February 09, 2016, 06:11:07 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on February 09, 2016, 09:13:28 pm
But, surely any melee fight is a flirtation with the RNG? I assume it's safer to go with... spears, or bow and arrow? I wasn't caught up with this thread until very recently (due to the OOCQ quotes thread) so I have no idea about the current meta.
Depends on what you're fighting with. If it has bullets or other dangerous special attacks, then yeah[Unless you have end-game tier armour]. Otherwise, even normally ranged characters often use a melee weapon to mow down most enemies. I NEVER use any non-magical ranged weapons, in basically any game, and I've effectively "Won" Cataclysm regardless. That said, even simple grenades will make your day a lot better and mininukes will make your LIFE a lot better.
Post by: Rolan7 on February 09, 2016, 10:11:00 pm
Post by: Salmeuk on February 10, 2016, 12:04:03 am
I guess because you're expected to use roguelike-dancing, and especially the tiles with huge movement costs, to insure that enemies get few or no swings. Alright.
This game has an odd mixture of roleplay-friendly features and immersion-breaking systems (said roguelike-dancing, for one instance). For all the realism claimed by the devs, it has a particularly amateurish approach to design that precludes enjoyment of that realism. This is why I can only stand to play it for a few weeks every year or so. Day-to-day living in Cataclysm:DDA is tedious, that's just true, but if you try for more half-hazard and chaotic adventures it can be pretty fun. I find it odd that as soon as you're doing well in the game it becomes absolutely uninteresting.
All the fun parts of the game come from failing horribly. In contrast, the game is absolutely monotonous should you get to the point you can metagame the various systems for maximum survival efficiency. This is obviously my opinion.
Post by: Darkmere on February 10, 2016, 12:26:03 am
I hated that in DS the game actually got MORE maintenance-intensive the longer you survived. More wolves, more hunting, more bosses, more crafting to replace what you lost... less exploring, less building, less collecting.
Cata manages to balance both fairly well. It's pretty touch-and-go in the beginning, where you need food and supplies but have to pick your fights, vs later on having easy access to non-perishable food and access to greater challenges like labs that have neat toys in the basement.
I might feel somewhat differently if Don't Starve had homemade battletanks, though.
Post by: freeze on February 10, 2016, 02:20:38 am
Post by: i2amroy on February 10, 2016, 12:05:28 pm
I hated that in DS the game actually got MORE maintenance-intensive the longer you survived. More wolves, more hunting, more bosses, more crafting to replace what you lost... less exploring, less building, less collecting.That was my biggest problem with the game too. I want to be able to at least hit a state where I can survive constantly and start exploring in survival games; not be forced to start dropping everything every third minute due to the waves from hell constantly scaling upwards in difficulty without limit.
Post by: kilakan on February 10, 2016, 12:36:06 pm
Post by: Micro102 on February 10, 2016, 05:49:58 pm
It would make building a base actually worthwhile and cut through the tedium that is "make a giant armored vehicle that contains enough supplies to last you years and travel around looking for stuff to do"
Post by: Baffler on February 10, 2016, 06:02:56 pm
You know what would be an epic mod? Periodic attacks like in Don't starve. Maybe every few months you will feel like "something is coming after you", and then various monsters will spawn around you and attack you. They could get stronger based on how long you have been playing, or how high your skills are, or maybe how much stuff you have in the reality bubble, or maybe all 3 and you can adjust them. And of course, unique creatures that only spawn on these events, maybe carrying something rare.
It would make building a base actually worthwhile and cut through the tedium that is "make a giant armored vehicle that contains enough supplies to last you years and travel around looking for stuff to do"
This would be excellent. Wander spawns tend to put you under constant siege, while static spawns make trouble really easy to avoid. Random but semi-predictable waves seem like a good compromise.
Post by: iceball3 on February 10, 2016, 06:14:29 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 10, 2016, 06:20:28 pm
Post by: Greiger on February 10, 2016, 06:44:32 pm
Hopefully it's gotten better than that since I last toyed with it, but static spawn and wander spawns are practically completely different games it seems. I would be very happy to have some kind of mechanic, toggleable even in static spawn, like a single variable size horde that wanders the map largely ignoring noise until they get within a few map tiles of the reality bubble. Maybea new one spawning from off map every season or so.
Give us reason to build some defenses at a base. Because in wander spawns it's suicide to have a stationary base, in static spawn you are invincible in a properly cleared area with a tent.
Post by: syyrah on February 10, 2016, 06:44:49 pm
Just got eaten by a pack of wolves again. They're one of my most frequent death causes, if you exclude Mi-Go, Smokers and an accidental explosion i caused on the mall by throwing a molotov cocktail (???). I've been playing this game for some weeks when i have time and so far i'm having tons of fun.
Some animals like dogs, wolves and cougars tend to attack the player then they are on low health.
...Furthermore most enemies who have armor lack stabbing armor...
Stab damage uses 0.8 * cut_armor formula then calculating damage done.
Edit.: Apparently, monsters have their own stab_armor value now, so, I am wrong. It still applies to player/npc calculations.
Post by: Micro102 on February 10, 2016, 08:07:13 pm
You know what would be an epic mod? Periodic attacks like in Don't starve. Maybe every few months you will feel like "something is coming after you", and then various monsters will spawn around you and attack you. They could get stronger based on how long you have been playing, or how high your skills are, or maybe how much stuff you have in the reality bubble, or maybe all 3 and you can adjust them. And of course, unique creatures that only spawn on these events, maybe carrying something rare.
It would make building a base actually worthwhile and cut through the tedium that is "make a giant armored vehicle that contains enough supplies to last you years and travel around looking for stuff to do"
This would be excellent. Wander spawns tend to put you under constant siege, while static spawns make trouble really easy to avoid. Random but semi-predictable waves seem like a good compromise.
Static spawns are realistic. Wander spawns make zombies materialize past your 4 layers of defense. Wander spawns would be great if they didn't just build up over time and had a way to control spawning.
Post by: iceball3 on February 10, 2016, 09:43:49 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 10, 2016, 11:12:51 pm
Post by: Nuttycompa on February 11, 2016, 01:06:12 am
Dynamic spawns are also terrible, but not as terrible as wander spawns.
I remember the old day when dynamic spawn was a default, and zombie spawn at the conner of your eye every time you make any kind of noice.
At lease Wander spawn put them at the conner of thr map.
Post by: pisskop on February 11, 2016, 08:52:48 am
Im noticing some difference in them in the latest experimentals.
They have finite numbers, for one. you can 'kill' the Zs on the map screen. They have locations they path to for 2. Heh, I saw a blob traveling south as presunably part of a horde.
and they can follow you out of town. the other day I learned that the overmap keeps track of 1) a weak scent of you that Zhordes can follow to a limited degree and 2) an even weaker trail that tracks everywhere youve been. It might be possible for a 'Stalker' or 'tracker' to pursue you whereever you go
Post by: Sindain on February 11, 2016, 09:22:09 am
wanderers are actauly being worked on right now.
Im noticing some difference in them in the latest experimentals.
They have finite numbers, for one. you can 'kill' the Zs on the map screen. They have locations they path to for 2. Heh, I saw a blob traveling south as presunably part of a horde.
and they can follow you out of town. the other day I learned that the overmap keeps track of 1) a weak scent of you that Zhordes can follow to a limited degree and 2) an even weaker trail that tracks everywhere youve been. It might be possible for a 'Stalker' or 'tracker' to pursue you whereever you go
Wander spawns have always had limited numbers (or at least they have had for a very, very long time).
Post by: Crazy Horse on February 11, 2016, 09:28:18 am
Post by: Magnumcannon on February 11, 2016, 10:47:56 am
What's your experience with burt and badly burnt corpses? Do you see them revive or are they like pulped ones? I have hordes of these and I think I'm seeing them come back but I immediately get 'The zombie dies' the next line after something rises. Rather odd. Fire is fun by the way.Well, i once burnt an entire hotel full of zombies and i didn't see any of the burnt corpses reviving. But it's better to butcher them if you're not sure.
Post by: iceball3 on February 11, 2016, 10:55:11 am
Zombies are actually painfully difficult to completely subdue using fire. More likely than not, the zombies in your case stayed down due to the collapsing building crushing their corpses.What's your experience with burt and badly burnt corpses? Do you see them revive or are they like pulped ones? I have hordes of these and I think I'm seeing them come back but I immediately get 'The zombie dies' the next line after something rises. Rather odd. Fire is fun by the way.Well, i once burnt an entire hotel full of zombies and i didn't see any of the burnt corpses reviving. But it's better to butcher them if you're not sure.
Unfortunately, with the new acid addition, now even acid won't erase zombie corpses, which means you have to dispose of them all manually.
Post by: pisskop on February 11, 2016, 04:58:47 pm
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=12051.0
And I found out that Robot night vision is overrated because they wont use their special powers on you if you are in the dark even if they can see you. Because I added robot night vison.
Tbf theyll still pursue you; theyll just smash into your car and flamethrower you.
Post by: Kaitol on February 12, 2016, 05:08:50 pm
Or since I know you can force items to spawn together, should add like a 50% chance of each set of power armor to come with a helmet. Or just make the helmet built in. Or hell, make a dead power armor squad event and spawn the armor as heavily damaged and needs like 10 electronics/fabrication to repair. Because while the suits are reasonably common if you know where to look, the helmets are almost non-existent. I've found maybe three, ever, and I've played this game for years.
I don't particularly care if power armor is rare or not, just make the helmets equally rare/common.
Post by: Arcvasti on February 13, 2016, 12:52:35 am
Anyone know where to reliably get Power armor helmets?
Black widow nest basements seem to have them. I've found two different types of power armour helmets in one basement before and I've found them semi-consistently in there, for some odd reason. I've also found helmets[As well as hauling frames] in lab finales, but less frequently.
Post by: Darkmere on February 13, 2016, 12:59:04 am
Post by: Kaitol on February 13, 2016, 01:34:36 pm
Isn't there a zombie type that's wearing power armor? Where do those spawn, or is it a time based mutation for zombie soldiers or something?
Post by: pisskop on February 13, 2016, 02:04:12 pm
They spawn, afaik,
Spoiler: Here (click to show/hide)
Post by: Arcvasti on February 13, 2016, 03:37:07 pm
Isn't there a zombie type that's wearing power armor?
I've found power armour on normal zombie soldiers, but that was QUITE a few versions ago. It might have changed since then.
Post by: Tawa on February 14, 2016, 12:27:40 pm
Post by: BigD145 on February 14, 2016, 01:20:37 pm
What's up with cereal having, like, no nutritional value? I can down a whole box of the stuff and still be stuck in 2300 AD. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7K2xhnQSB8)
In the future, ConAgra has taken over all cereal production and it's nothing but high fructose corn syrup.
Post by: Greiger on February 14, 2016, 04:05:54 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 14, 2016, 05:01:47 pm
Well cereal IS part of a complete breakfast you are not having a complete breakfast. You need 6 slices of toast, hash browns, a dozen scrambled eggs, orange juice, bacon, pancakes, and milk to get nutritional value. Clearly you are missing the toast.If you're going for an English breakfast you're missing the black pudding, tomatoes, sausages, and baked beans.
Post by: BigD145 on February 14, 2016, 06:09:13 pm
Well cereal IS part of a complete breakfast you are not having a complete breakfast. You need 6 slices of toast, hash browns, a dozen scrambled eggs, orange juice, bacon, pancakes, and milk to get nutritional value. Clearly you are missing the toast.If you're going for an English breakfast you're missing the black pudding, tomatoes, sausages, and baked beans.
English style tea! How could you forget the feckin TEA!
Post by: Kaitol on February 14, 2016, 06:21:39 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on February 14, 2016, 06:27:49 pm
A week ago I walked into a coffee bar. I asked about black pudding (that is, I asked what it was exactly)
They told me it was vile stuff and advised me to ask for something else.
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 14, 2016, 06:30:06 pm
English style tea! How could you forget the feckin TEA!I just assume that having tea with it is obvious because I have tea with everything
They told me it was vile stuff and advised me to ask for something else.What no
Execute them for treason
Post by: Graknorke on February 14, 2016, 06:30:21 pm
Try a café.
Post by: Akura on February 14, 2016, 06:56:53 pm
You know, I'm currently spending some months in the UK
A week ago I walked into a coffee bar. I asked about black pudding (that is, I asked what it was exactly)
They told me it was vile stuff and advised me to ask for something else.
Black pudding is a British variety of blood sausage, which is a sausage filled with less meaty bits and more congealed blood. Black pudding in particular has a lot of oatmeal or groats in it.
I've never had it, but I suppose I ought to try it sometime.
Post by: pisskop on February 14, 2016, 07:03:27 pm
Post by: Greiger on February 14, 2016, 07:08:52 pm
Of course I know this stuff is all experimental, but I figured I'd report it somewhere and I don't remember my password for the cata forum. :)
Post by: Blackray Jack on February 14, 2016, 07:23:27 pm
As for the power helmet debate that's a tougher one. I found Mk.II power armor and a Mk.I power helmet in a bank vault once. I'm just roam banks at the moment trying to find a matching helmet. Also CVD labs are super fucking rare or something. I've hit up 9 labs and have yet to find a CVD machine...
Post by: ShinQuickMan on February 14, 2016, 08:16:29 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on February 14, 2016, 08:20:55 pm
Post by: beorn080 on February 14, 2016, 10:23:02 pm
... Overall, wouldn't it make sense to almost always find a power armor helmet in the same place as you find a suit? Like, if one spawns, the other does as well?I like this idea, but one or the other should be heavily damaged, pretty much one hit from destruction, since the person inside died somehow.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on February 14, 2016, 10:53:14 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on February 15, 2016, 12:59:32 am
Post by: iceball3 on February 15, 2016, 03:45:25 pm
Post by: Culise on February 15, 2016, 07:17:22 pm
Post by: pisskop on February 15, 2016, 07:20:13 pm
the fungus, the Zmen, the triffids are all directly new.
Post by: iceball3 on February 15, 2016, 07:24:38 pm
lore wise the game starts 5 dats after the bombs dropped.True, but the game can continue for years following. Perhaps a gradiated droplist depending on time spent is in order?
the fungus, the Zmen, the triffids are all directly new.
Post by: Vattic on February 15, 2016, 08:25:28 pm
You know, I'm currently spending some months in the UKCan't say I'm too surprised. These days black pudding is seen by many as a novelty weird food. Where I work we sell little of it compared to almost any other meat product. Don't get me wrong it is eaten, but not as much as it was. It may be happen stance, but those of my family still living in Yorkshire and Derbyshire tend to be fond of it so there may be a North South divide thing going on too.
A week ago I walked into a coffee bar. I asked about black pudding (that is, I asked what it was exactly)
They told me it was vile stuff and advised me to ask for something else.
Yeah, coffee bars are awful. You can tell because they're centred around coffee, and are a very American thing.I dunno coffee shops, coffeehouses, or cafés as they are also known, have been with us since the 17th century and were exported to the Americas with all the migrants. We have since imported the more USA style establishments, but they were Italian originally.
Try a café.
Post by: Graknorke on February 15, 2016, 08:28:32 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 15, 2016, 08:30:20 pm
Post by: Vattic on February 15, 2016, 08:44:21 pm
When people say "coffee bar" I tend to think of Starbucks and the like. Compared to a café which sells tea and bad coffee and cakes and greasy meat-based-foods of questionable safety. That might not be a real terminology thing though.The term café has two common meanings really. Greasy spoon being another name for the type you mean. I was just saying that shops that focus mainly on coffee have been with us since before we got the USA style of the same thing.
Post by: Kaitol on February 15, 2016, 10:37:10 pm
*none of them have magazines shoot with*
*Butchers them all with a nodachi*
And here I was getting excited that I had a reason to bust out the power armor and all these fancy CBMs. Normal outposts with turrets are more dangerous.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on February 15, 2016, 11:15:19 pm
Post by: pisskop on February 15, 2016, 11:25:40 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on February 16, 2016, 01:59:01 am
Post by: Aseaheru on February 16, 2016, 02:24:46 am
If not by default, than via mod.
Post by: pisskop on February 16, 2016, 02:28:54 am
Spoiler: Funny Story (click to show/hide)
Not exactly trigger happy, but not exactly a step in the other direction. Give it an automatic weapon and itll do.
Post by: Darkmere on February 16, 2016, 03:00:00 am
The future is now.
Post by: Aseaheru on February 16, 2016, 05:37:52 pm
That appears slightly bullshit.
Post by: Akura on February 16, 2016, 06:11:25 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 16, 2016, 06:21:44 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on February 17, 2016, 02:41:39 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 17, 2016, 02:52:11 am
Post by: pisskop on February 17, 2016, 11:54:26 am
Quote
- Season Length. The longer the season, the slower the evo. [The game may be considered easier if you use high season length]
- Monster Difficulty. Each monster has a difficulty rating, and that seems to help determine when they can start spawning.
- Half-Life. Each monster can have their evo timing offset by a number in their raws, a 'half-life' that presumably determines when 50% of them will try to evolve upon spawning/returning to the bubble.
- Group settings. To a limited degree, I can control the evolution speed by 'clogging' the evo tree with false branches or evolutions into a weaker or same-tier monster.
Post by: Kaitol on February 19, 2016, 09:32:53 pm
Cheeky little cat.
EDIT: Also, why do brass knuckles not work with brawling?
Post by: Crazy Horse on February 20, 2016, 08:16:48 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on February 20, 2016, 09:32:07 am
Post by: Baffler on February 20, 2016, 11:33:09 am
Just like in real life, ambient diseases come from poor health, not from cold air. You have a hidden health stat, and all comestibles have a hidden healthiness factor. Eat vitamins and healthy foods e.g. veggies, and only use unhealthy things like drugs and junk food when you really need the boosts they provide. Constantly wearing a gas mask works too, but it might not be worth the penalties.
This. I find one of the easiest ways to improve your health is drinking tea (I prefer pine needle tea but I believe any will do it) instead of water. You drink quite a lot every day, so even a fairly small boost there pays big dividends.
Post by: pisskop on February 20, 2016, 11:56:05 am
Stay away from junk food in general, or using it to give your character a morale boost before crafting/reading/sewing and then eating vitamins works well.
Most booze is pretyy unhealthy, as is whole meals of junkfood.
Acrons, veggies, chunks of meat, jerky, milk, organic unprocessed foods mostly. And finding a flu shot or vaccination is going to make your job a lot easier.
And failing all of that you can wear multiple dust masks or a filter/gas/pba mask and get complet immunity to diseases caused by inhalation or ambiancy.
But bad health slows down your healing while sleeping. To the point where it can actually stop completely. thats bad, because healing with items is expensive when you have to do it outside of combat.
Post by: miauw62 on February 20, 2016, 11:58:35 am
Anyway, I sort of want to try this game again but I have no real idea of where to start. Any help?
Post by: pisskop on February 20, 2016, 12:01:15 pm
Or the stable. I have a guide in the wiki that covers the stable pretty well. And most of the stable mechanics are covered pretty well in the wiki by now. But the latest experimental changes might obsolete some of those . . .
Post by: Aseaheru on February 20, 2016, 12:04:52 pm
Buggy asin zombies teleporting through floors, laggy as in death to your computer.
Also, if cities spawn too small, why are all of mine either four structures or forty, with nowhere in between?
Post by: pisskop on February 20, 2016, 12:07:04 pm
Im not really happy with it, and in the latest experimental I tried I actually deleted from my computer because it kept genning worlds with no houses for me to spawn in.
I want large cities, but instead im getting hamlets with shops.
Post by: Aseaheru on February 20, 2016, 12:09:02 pm
Post by: pisskop on February 20, 2016, 12:25:02 pm
how do I compile the master once Ive finished desperately tweaking things in a vain attempt to make a second random anthill gen for 'acidants'?
= = = = =
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/blob/master/COMPILING.md
Post by: pisskop on February 20, 2016, 01:23:58 pm
So using smaller cicites gave me more spread out small cities and 1stopsign cities. These were all closer together, and occassionally a larger city would form (about 2x as large as the vault city)
Using size 8 (the size i used in 0.C), I got much more spread out cities. Which I want, I want larger-ish tracts of wilderness between cities. I dont mind the small towns, along the way, prefer it even, but I want large emptiness in between large cities. So large that getting into the middle of them would require a sewer system or a ramrod of a truck.
Thats neat-o actually. It sems the mapgen is forcing these small 4house cities to spawn, and at a distance where cities would other wise spawn. Which means in order to get a better spacing smaller numbers for larger cities.
Post by: Descan on February 20, 2016, 02:09:23 pm
Ew, hidden numbers...Honestly, a little tag up near Stamina that says something about energy levels, or just a straight "Nutrition: Shitty!" or whatever, kind of like how you can tell if you've been getting decent food lately by how lethargic you feel or how you're constantly hungry, would do wonders. Not only would it tell you if you're getting decent nutrition in a way that's not immersion breaking, but it'd also let new players know that, hey, junk food all the time is bad both in real life AND in game!
Anyway, I sort of want to try this game again but I have no real idea of where to start. Any help?
Post by: Rince Wind on February 20, 2016, 02:17:14 pm
Post by: BigD145 on February 20, 2016, 02:38:20 pm
Just take junkfood intolerance! It'll be red, so you know not to eat it and you can concentrate on other food. And a free point as well!
But how will I ever be happy killing children if I can't eat their pixie stix?
Post by: Rince Wind on February 20, 2016, 02:46:02 pm
Maybe make a giant multitile pyre out of their clothes, set it on fire and dance around it, drunk on high quality alcohol?
It is not the same, I know. :(
Post by: Descan on February 20, 2016, 02:48:45 pm
Plus, like I said, as a human being I know for the most part when I've been eating poorly, just based on how I'm feeling. Cataclysm survivor should also have that ability.
Post by: pisskop on February 20, 2016, 02:53:13 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 20, 2016, 04:37:16 pm
Post by: miauw62 on February 20, 2016, 06:05:15 pm
Post by: BigD145 on February 20, 2016, 06:08:00 pm
I was looking for advice for the game, though :v
Don't die, unless that is your goal.
Post by: pisskop on February 20, 2016, 06:13:19 pm
-Its worth taking a few points in melee if you want combat to be easier
-Dont dump all your point into a scenerio or profession. Better to take a character with solid melee capibilites than a cuborg ninja who is power-starved. Also consider what season you start in, and make sure he can be appropriately clothed.
-Get a car. Getting a working car will prolong your life by quite a bit.
-Find something you want and study and focus on it. If you want manhacks study up electornics to get them as soon as feasible. If you want a pimped out mobile base study mechnaics.
-Read the wiki. Even outdated, it can serve as a general guide. Much of it is accurate enough to learn from anyway.
-Dont rush off into battle unprepared. Run away before you get overwhelmed.
Its a sandbox game. Meaning there will always be more chances. And that failure is the best teacher.
Post by: Fniff on February 20, 2016, 06:14:08 pm
And if you must die, die spectacularly.I was looking for advice for the game, though :vDon't die, unless that is your goal.
Post by: Arcvasti on February 20, 2016, 07:05:10 pm
And if you must die, die spectacularly.I was looking for advice for the game, though :vDon't die, unless that is your goal.
^This. Mininukes are your friend. An assholish friend, but still a friend.
Post by: jocan2003 on February 20, 2016, 07:07:33 pm
We all have one asshole friend we simply cannot live without as he teach us life lesson by being an asshole....And if you must die, die spectacularly.I was looking for advice for the game, though :vDon't die, unless that is your goal.
^This. Mininukes are your friend. An assholish friend, but still a friend.
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 20, 2016, 07:57:02 pm
Post by: Kaitol on February 24, 2016, 10:27:35 pm
Post by: Sheb on February 25, 2016, 01:47:13 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 25, 2016, 01:58:50 am
Post by: ejseto on February 25, 2016, 06:23:20 am
How do magazines work? I started as an army recruit, so with 30 rounds of .223, a STANAG magazine and a M4. I can (r)eload the rifle with the emplty magazine, but it doesn't let me put ammo in afterward. I can (r)eload the STANAG and get a STANAG (30), but then it says I'm "out of ammo" when I try to reload the M4.
Update your experimental build. This is a known issue that I'm pretty sure has been fixed. The proper procedure is to reload the magazine, then reload the firearm with the magazine (as you would logically expect).
Post by: Sheb on February 25, 2016, 08:56:41 am
Post by: Blaze on February 25, 2016, 07:41:06 pm
Going fungal has some pretty big drawbacks, the loss of most mutations is one thing, but moreso the loss of access to regular food/water. So I decided to give Mycus fans a set of fairly robust additions.
So the core of this is going to be the "Symbiote Backpack" (name not 100% set), which:
- Is a tool necessary to craft fungal items.
- When worn, gives several small boosts, a bit of speed, but mostly stamina regeneration, disease resistance, and hunger/thirst savings.
- When activated, can enhance the player's abilities, in exchange for item charge and increased hunger/thirst.
- When removed/destroyed, will cause large withdrawal symptoms.
So the items so far are:
- Spore Bomb: Essentially a fungal grenade.
- Thorn Baton: A martial-arts compatible weapon. It's got a built-in thorn launcher to soften up large targets or kill weaker ones.
- Thorn Lash: A sword-style compatible weapon. It's more like a macuahuitl, but is capable of loosening and stiffening at your control, letting you attack faster. The built-in thorn barrage has shorter range than the thorn baton, but has burst fire.
- Thorn Lance: A spear-type weapon for general melee. Essentially, a glove that regrows its spear. Uses the thrown skill and has decent damage and pierce. Has an additional built-in weapon for fragmenting lances.
- A few weapon mods for the above.
- A few vehicle parts, they'll be fairly simple, fragile, and easily replaceable.
- A few constructions, these are fairly more robust; defensive growths you might say.
You can refill charges for weapons and your symbiote by using a recipe that turns corpses into fungal food. Also possibly using them as weapons in some limited Prototype-esque ways. Fungal corpse nuke is probably going to be a thing for mass-land conversion.
I'm playing with the idea of making different symbiotes to denote the different paths of Mycus Gardener/Fighter (Ambassador is also there, but NPCs can't really do much).
If you have any ideas for additions, I'd happily take them.
Post by: Kaitol on February 25, 2016, 10:14:55 pm
I mostly say this because then the xotto graphic pack might add in an adorable mushroom cap graphic for it if it gets mainlined.
Post by: ThtblovesDF on February 27, 2016, 08:56:01 pm
Post by: pisskop on February 27, 2016, 09:12:16 pm
So I'm putting together a mod to add a few things to the Mycus mutationeers; however, as this is more or less JSON limited, it's mostly going to be crafts. It was originally meant to be part of the vehicle additions pack, but I decided it needed more than some vehicle parts.
Going fungal has some pretty big drawbacks, the loss of most mutations is one thing, but moreso the loss of access to regular food/water. So I decided to give Mycus fans a set of fairly robust additions.
So the core of this is going to be the "Symbiote Backpack" (name not 100% set), which:
- Is a tool necessary to craft fungal items.
- When worn, gives several small boosts, a bit of speed, but mostly stamina regeneration, disease resistance, and hunger/thirst savings.
- When activated, can enhance the player's abilities, in exchange for item charge and increased hunger/thirst.
- When removed/destroyed, will cause large withdrawal symptoms.
So the items so far are:
- Spore Bomb: Essentially a fungal grenade.
- Thorn Baton: A martial-arts compatible weapon. It's got a built-in thorn launcher to soften up large targets or kill weaker ones.
- Thorn Lash: A sword-style compatible weapon. It's more like a macuahuitl, but is capable of loosening and stiffening at your control, letting you attack faster. The built-in thorn barrage has shorter range than the thorn baton, but has burst fire.
- Thorn Lance: A spear-type weapon for general melee. Essentially, a glove that regrows its spear. Uses the thrown skill and has decent damage and pierce. Has an additional built-in weapon for fragmenting lances.
- A few weapon mods for the above.
- A few vehicle parts, they'll be fairly simple, fragile, and easily replaceable.
- A few constructions, these are fairly more robust; defensive growths you might say.
You can refill charges for weapons and your symbiote by using a recipe that turns corpses into fungal food. Also possibly using them as weapons in some limited Prototype-esque ways. Fungal corpse nuke is probably going to be a thing for mass-land conversion.
I'm playing with the idea of making different symbiotes to denote the different paths of Mycus Gardener/Fighter (Ambassador is also there, but NPCs can't really do much).
If you have any ideas for additions, I'd happily take them.
Spore-in-a-box.
Or more likely for the full-blooded myculoid; funguloid in a box.
Raising an army of fungus. keep forgetting that its my own mods that make the mycus more aggressive, but still, I hear that its a slow process to fungalize an area. Creating a weapon that could spawn several baby or grown mycus would be nice.
Also, you can stack [fungus] death functions to create more spores.
Also, fungal spores will convert or physically harm anything that isnt a fungus critter or perhaps a robutt. So anything that can do that physical damage would be helpful to more than just marloss eaters.
Fungal vehicle mounts? or placable turrets? Maybe too sci-fi, but useful.
I made a critter that will kamikaze and split into spores. This is a living grenade. mounting an actual sporegrenade onto a manhack too would work.
Being able to build fungal hedgerows would add defense to an area.
And a mod that would let you take in NPCs to fungalize them/marloss them. idk how well it would work though.
you could add a 'homing spore' to the game, something that will aggress with more speed than regular spores.
Post by: pisskop on March 01, 2016, 09:05:39 pm
So far the critters have weapons and attacks, and are more geared towards endgame because they use a lot of ranged attacks and fire.
Id appreciate help in the form of ideas and maybe somebody giving them a map tile to spawn onto. Something like a lab or portal or something.
An actual hell would also work.
Post by: blazing glory on March 02, 2016, 07:49:29 am
Any ways besides "Take apart your car and move it upwards to the designated center"?
Post by: boyoentukboyo on March 02, 2016, 08:39:31 am
Post by: Aseaheru on March 02, 2016, 08:59:24 am
Post by: Blaze on March 02, 2016, 09:31:24 am
I might resurrect my Machine mod maybe.
Post by: n9103 on March 02, 2016, 11:33:45 am
Post by: EuchreJack on March 02, 2016, 12:43:54 pm
So I gave this a try again and ended up finding a lovly ice-cream van to drive around in, turn the jinggle on and run over zombies because the char is useless for anything else. So far so good - zombie kids where new for me, so when I ran over a tennis-cord full of them I took some serious moral damage - but thankfully the ice-cream boxes where filled fully with booze at this point, so I just started drinking to fight the moral damage. I very soon got a crippling addiction and could either drive heavly depressed, often going where I don'T want due to low focus or driving utterly drunk. Soon ice-cream spreading was replaced with molotov throwing and drunk driving, vehicles certainly add a lot.
I didn't know you could play as Sweet Tooth. I hope you threw on a cheap suit and clown makeup as well!
Post by: EuchreJack on March 02, 2016, 12:51:51 pm
I'm playing with the idea of making different symbiotes to denote the different paths of Mycus Gardener/Fighter (Ambassador is also there, but NPCs can't really do much).
Maybe the Mycus Ambassador could transform the NPCs into being less useless? Just giving the NPCs a Mycus ranged weapon for which the player can create ammo with their Mycus mutations would probably help immensely (especially if it is silent). NPCs generally do OK until their ammo runs out.
Additional things that would benefit NPCs: Armor (they rarely start with any), Speed, and an area-of-effect attack.
Ultimately, NPCs will charge into a zombie horde, get overwhelmed, then die, but these would keep them alive longer.
I like the idea of the Mycus Ambassador having such a benign name, even though it is most likely more of a Mycus Corrupter.
Post by: nomoetoe on March 06, 2016, 04:07:10 am
So very difficult, but I am determined to survive at least 2 days. >:c
Post by: KillerHP on March 06, 2016, 12:42:32 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 15, 2016, 11:07:58 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on March 16, 2016, 11:31:48 am
I learned the hard way that playing in a no city world and starting naked is so very brutal.
So very difficult, but I am determined to survive at least 2 days. >:c
I now must try that. Thank you for the new challenge. In fact, I had wanted to play in a world where I could construct thing, and that fits the bill perfectly. I'll probably pick a persistent world, so later survivors can benefit from earlier ones. I will conquer this new war with Infinite Reinforcements!
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 19, 2016, 08:21:22 pm
Nominally, Oaths to the Chalice, a creepy cult grimoire, gives a -3 penalty to morale while reading
However, it's classified as an spiritually inspirational book. So if you have the "spiritual" flag, which my character does, your morale actually goes up quite a bit.
(http://julienbayle.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/lovecraft.jpg)
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 20, 2016, 03:35:02 pm
- Are wander spawns fixed yet?
- Are NPCs fixed yet?
Post by: pisskop on March 20, 2016, 03:57:09 pm
better, yes.
more intuitive/currently being developed rn? yes.
'fixed'? :/
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 20, 2016, 04:21:34 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 20, 2016, 04:31:45 pm
They tend to follow you out of town, sometimes giving you half a day before they catch up. They dont often go into deep wilderness, and they have definite numbers that can be beaten.
I dont mess too much with npcs, but they can be given armor and wepaons, as well as food/drink/pills/aid kits. You can use aid on them, and they will eat things you give them if they like you enough. They will learn to craft by watching you craft, leveling up and even helping you batch craft and construct things.
They seem to prefer light armor to heavier ones, but for some reason almost never change shoes or take off splints once applied. So yea. They need to sleep, get infected, fall down, etc, and they should now or very soon need to eat about 25% of what you do. Keeping them fed by giving them food to hold will make them eat it automatically and make them, happy.
Or at least thats what was advertised.
Post by: pisskop on March 20, 2016, 04:32:27 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 23, 2016, 04:31:25 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/jnvu48X.png)
Post by: Akura on March 23, 2016, 05:04:08 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 23, 2016, 05:05:04 pm
Space marine being 40K too.
Most people wouldnt be fitting into space marine armor
Post by: IcyTea31 on March 24, 2016, 01:29:31 am
Post by: Aseaheru on March 24, 2016, 02:01:15 am
Nevermind. The guy in Doom is called Doomguy? How... Descriptive.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 24, 2016, 02:15:30 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on March 24, 2016, 02:43:21 am
Post by: ThtblovesDF on March 24, 2016, 03:51:15 am
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Takes 10 turns to take off, stairs now nogo-zone, xeno aggrorange +5, may make you scream manly things when firing weapons (noise)
Post by: Rince Wind on March 24, 2016, 12:25:49 pm
Post by: Fniff on March 24, 2016, 12:28:51 pm
Post by: ZeroGravitas on March 24, 2016, 01:41:19 pm
I will start playing again at 0.D , when ill decide to re-learn everything i forgot.
this
Post by: pisskop on March 26, 2016, 06:06:19 pm
Also,
(http://i.imgur.com/lSrs9Hr.png)
Post by: Geltor on March 26, 2016, 06:12:48 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 26, 2016, 08:08:50 pm
Post by: Geltor on March 27, 2016, 08:36:22 am
- Are NPCs fixed yet?apart from the sometimes buggy dialog systems, they are a delight now. they sleep and eat just like you and can even be a passenger in vehicles. their combat has been tweaked to allow you to control for every aspect of how you want them to behave. overall im pretty happy with them right now, they are pretty convincing.
note that im talking about npcs as companions, and not the npcs that go head-first into hordes.
Post by: Akura on March 29, 2016, 04:39:04 pm
Though from what I've heard, your character will be a big baby about it unless you take a lot of drugs.Do it enough times, and apparently you'll stop caring anyways. I've never paid too much attention to morale, though, unless I'm doing something like starting an extended study session due to breaking both of my legs again or the like.
If I recall, the zombie child morale attack only occurs with direct kills, shooting, stabbing, or grenading them yourself. Indirect kills such as fire or a moving car(since you're not always in control of a moving vehicle) don't trigger it. Unless that was changed.
Post by: Gentlefish on March 29, 2016, 08:01:57 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 29, 2016, 08:32:23 pm
Fire works well too if you must care about morale.
Worse than any child is the penalty for running over an innocent NPC or running over a 'friend'.
But I think guilt from monster death is based on their health or attack. Giving it to stronger critters seems to make the penalty rise.
Post by: Pencil_Art on March 29, 2016, 11:16:50 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 29, 2016, 11:45:03 pm
How do you guys survive for more than a week?
Don't fight anything. Find food and drink.
Post by: Lightningfalcon on March 29, 2016, 11:58:55 pm
How do you guys survive for more than a week?Spend about twenty minutes of real time destroying the shelter to give myself decent weapons, armor, and equipment
Post by: NRDL on March 30, 2016, 12:07:48 am
Post by: IronTomato on March 30, 2016, 09:18:36 pm
Post by: Tawa on March 30, 2016, 09:40:05 pm
How do you guys survive for more than a week?I mostly run challenge builds nowadays; high-risk, high-reward type characters who have no issue crafting and using the really high-end stuff. My first advice is to invest in a good profession while you're still learning the game; Survivalist and its ilk are good picks. I can get through early-game no problem with those sorts.
Invest in tailoring. Spend your first couple hours smashing shelter windows, cutting up the sheets, and reinforcing your clothes; Survivalists can make wooden needles out of splintered wood from smashed furniture.
Make a knife spear before leaving; again, Survivalists are perfect for this. Use a stick or 2-by-four, a spike made from a smashed locker, and a string from the window. Two reach is a lifesaver in early-game; you can move to 1-reach weapons when you're more skilled in melee. 2-reach weapons are wonderful when your primary concern is not getting hit, but when your can A) tank hits or B) dodgetank hits you can move to the usually stronger 1-reach weapons. You can attack from 2 range by "f"iring your spear like a gun; IIRC they're programmed as 2-range guns with infinite ammo.
Don't look for a "better base" right off the bat; the shelter you start in should be good unless there's an immediate issue like bee hives or ant hills. Grind Construction in any way you can so you can board up the windows you smashed. Sleep in the basement if that's not an option.
Above all else, remember that survival is key; you can come back for the hulk-guarded power armor another day.
Post by: BigD145 on March 30, 2016, 10:43:22 pm
Im using a mac
Well there's your problem. Barring that you probably did just try to put it somewhere OSX doesn't like. I can't help you there, unfortunately.
Post by: Arcvasti on March 30, 2016, 11:07:09 pm
How do you guys survive for more than a week?
Once you get Tailoring online so you can stop your gear from being torn apart and sew a decent cloth outfit, the game stops being as difficult. Special zombies or bullets can still kill you dead, but you're more likely to have something to kill them with if you have more volume. Molotov cocktails in particular are easy to make and pretty effective for the mid-tier enemies[Don't try using one on a bio-operator or a hulk or something].
A decent weapon and some[2-3 usually works] Melee, weapon skill and Dodging helps a lot with combat survivability. Don't bite off more then you can chew and show ampersands the customary amount of caution.
As for food, a decently-sized forest has more then you'll ever need if you forage through the undergrowth enough. Most of this food requires water to cook properly though, so it works best if you've found a sustainable water source. You can usually get by just from looting refrigerators and basements, although this can be more dangerous.
Literature is important. Books are how you begin propelling yourself through the mid-game, since they're full of skill boosts and crafting recipes. Thus, libraries are a pretty big priority for raiding.
Tools are also important. Garages have them in abundance, but they're found most anywhere, even as random zombie drops. A knife is the most important tool, followed shortly after by a pot. You can make some basic ones out of rocks, sticks and string, but stuff like wrenches and welders will be harder to come by.
Not sure how all this interacts with hordes/NPCs, since I'm still playing the stable version. An NPC with a gun is an incredibly dangerous threat, although a Molotov or two to the face will probably still take them down[Albeit not always before you're riddled with holes]. Hordes make things trickier. You'll probably want to have a more mobile base. A shopping cart[Ctrl+G to drag it] and a tent make you pretty mobile, but an actual vehicle is irreplaceable, and you can run all sorts of things off of their battery.
Post by: Ygdrad on March 31, 2016, 12:26:44 am
I will start playing again at 0.D , when ill decide to re-learn everything i forgot.
I find there is no point in waiting for version changes. Been playing the experimental for years and it has always been better than the "stable" releases. If something gets broken, it tends to be fixed pretty quickly and you can just use a previous build while waiting for things to get fixed. Hell, you can even fix things yourself or propose changes on github. The experimental branch starts improving on the stable release right away, including fixing its issues.
Post by: IcyTea31 on March 31, 2016, 12:38:40 am
You'll probably want to have a more mobile base. A shopping cart[Ctrl+G to drag it] and a tent make you pretty mobile, but an actual vehicle is irreplaceable, and you can run all sorts of things off of their battery.Further advice: before you get those things, in static spawn, it's relatively safe to spend a night in a regular town house (in a real bed!) if you clear out (kill or lure away) the monsters in the vicinity quietly enough and close all entrances so that they can't come through without waking you up with noise.
Post by: Gentlefish on March 31, 2016, 12:46:45 am
- Find an RV / mobile meth lab
- Find a welding cart
Once these are established, I hunt down a farm and grow things there while I zoom around looking for solar panels to pimp my ride.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 31, 2016, 02:22:48 am
Post by: Ygdrad on March 31, 2016, 04:20:33 am
Post by: TempAcc on March 31, 2016, 01:51:42 pm
You can also grind combat skills on low level zombies by wearing decent armor and forcing them to fight on uneven terrain, so they get their speed and hit debuffed (fight zombies that are standing on windows, bushes, fences, etc). Also train your survival skill by butchering zombies so you can reliably get meat from animals, you can't rely on normal food forever.
Post by: Pencil_Art on March 31, 2016, 05:18:01 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on April 01, 2016, 02:52:29 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 01, 2016, 02:57:20 am
Post by: BigD145 on April 01, 2016, 08:21:48 am
Collecting stuff all in one place is a good idea. Even if you're not doing the nomad game, vehicles are vastly superior to travelling on foot (much like real life). You can travel further, faster, and with more junk in the trunk. Also works as a place to sleep if there's nowhere else available.
It's an umbrella on wheels.
Post by: Sheb on April 01, 2016, 08:22:28 am
Post by: TempAcc on April 01, 2016, 08:32:32 am
They killed hordes and gave you a reason to actualy worry about the weather. In fact I didn't even notice it got removed, I just thought I was getting lucky.
So am I doing it wrong by not having vehicles? I just usually fortify the starting shelter and walk around. Partially it is due to laziness, I admit - I somehow find the vehicle controls so difficult it is just easier to walk around. This has the added bonus of knowing where all the stuff I collected is, in case I get killed and must reincarnate.
You'll want to move on after a certain point. You can't really settle down in one place unless you got pretty much everything you'll need (reliable sources of food, water, books, etc), and you only get yourself a base in this game to give you a safe place to sleep/eat/study/store shit while you're doing your thing in an area, but you'll eventualy want to move on to explore more of the world. So its more useful to have a mobile base you can bring with you.
You don't have to worry about it from the very start, obviously. Its more something you try to get after you have reasonably skilled and equipped character that can take on most threats.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 01, 2016, 08:58:49 am
Post by: Majestic7 on April 01, 2016, 09:08:07 am
Post by: Sheb on April 01, 2016, 09:21:03 am
Post by: BigD145 on April 01, 2016, 09:32:01 am
Well, usually I play just a few weeks (if I survive that long). Once I'm raiding labs and installing CBMs I usually lose interest, since there isn't much to do after that. I suppose I'm missing some sort of "starting your own survivor fortress"-type of thing.
Once NPC's and factions are more of a thing there will be more to do.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 01, 2016, 09:36:29 am
Post by: Greiger on April 01, 2016, 10:20:58 am
Am I the only one who misses acid rain?I miss acid rain too, but at the same time it did seem to break some logic and some mechanics in my opinion.
1 ) With such strong acid rain present how is ANYTHING still alive on the surface? Everything should logically be dead that isn't immune to acid or lives inside. No wildlife, few zombies, the game should logically be over the first time it acid rains.
2 ) It made it an rng dice roll to travel between towns. Even when acid rain properly ramped up it gave you a 50-100 tiles notice at best. Between towns you can often be much farther from cover than that. And while I imagine a tent would protect you gamewise, a flimsy tarp tent like that should logically provide zero protection from acid rain strong enough to kill in a couple minutes.
I would be happy if it came back, but those kinds of issues would need to be solved. I can think that maybe if it gave you like 6 hours notice before acid raining that could help. Maybe something like "There is an odd chemical smell in the air." "The chemical smell is getting stronger, you should probably find shelter soon." before the acid drizzle even begins. That gives you plenty of notice to get out of the field or to make one of those 1 tile shelters out in the woods, and can be handwaved as animals knowing what the smell means and taking shelter themselves.
Post by: BigD145 on April 01, 2016, 11:06:22 am
Am I the only one who misses acid rain?I miss acid rain too, but at the same time it did seem to break some logic and some mechanics in my opinion.
1 ) With such strong acid rain present how is ANYTHING still alive on the surface? Everything should logically be dead that isn't immune to acid or lives inside. No wildlife, few zombies, the game should logically be over the first time it acid rains.
2 ) It made it an rng dice roll to travel between towns. Even when acid rain properly ramped up it gave you a 50-100 tiles notice at best. Between towns you can often be much farther from cover than that. And while I imagine a tent would protect you gamewise, a flimsy tarp tent like that should logically provide zero protection from acid rain strong enough to kill in a couple minutes.
I would be happy if it came back, but those kinds of issues would need to be solved. I can think that maybe if it gave you like 6 hours notice before acid raining that could help. Maybe something like "There is an odd chemical smell in the air." "The chemical smell is getting stronger, you should probably find shelter soon." before the acid drizzle even begins. That gives you plenty of notice to get out of the field or to make one of those 1 tile shelters out in the woods, and can be handwaved as animals knowing what the smell means and taking shelter themselves.
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/16011
Post by: Robsoie on April 01, 2016, 11:38:40 am
Now what would be that location, a lab complex, some odd factory, some otherworldy stuff ..
Or a bit like the smoke zombie, why not a special bizarre creature distorting the weather and that would be spawned by a quest and to stop the acid rain you would have to take care of it
Post by: TempAcc on April 01, 2016, 11:42:22 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 01, 2016, 11:45:54 am
Post by: pisskop on April 01, 2016, 11:58:10 am
I would prefer the idea of an acid rain being tied to a location, so if you want to explore that specific location, you'll have to find a way to protect yourself from it.
Now what would be that location, a lab complex, some odd factory, some otherworldy stuff ..
Or a bit like the smoke zombie, why not a special bizarre creature distorting the weather and that would be spawned by a quest and to stop the acid rain you would have to take care of it
Anomalies.
I want expanded anomalies. Whole overmap tiles or even 2x2 maptiles devoted to anomolous artifacts and conditions. These could provide area where nether or other supernatural critters could spawn and move from. Even if they arent sentient.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 01, 2016, 11:59:24 pm
Because I still forget to turn on saving while sleeping on, and while I sometimes remember to periodically save the game, most of the time I forget and loose a fair deal of work.
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 02, 2016, 03:33:14 am
Post by: Aseaheru on April 02, 2016, 02:46:55 pm
Ill probally edit in the error code in about 2min.
-edit-
Cant get the code, between not being able to copy the frigging thing and being unable to get at firefox while the code is up. Aggravating.
Anyways, it said there was an unknown exception at some location that was mostly zeros, and its been doing this sorta thing for a good long time.
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 02, 2016, 03:05:49 pm
until the game is saved the discovered tiles sit around building up until the game runs out of space to put them, whereupon it crashes.That's... kinda silly. Should really have a temporary folder to dump all the inactive tiles in.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 02, 2016, 03:52:29 pm
Post by: Geltor on April 03, 2016, 04:20:03 pm
hell, i wouldnt even think of sitting down and sewing anything
Post by: Lukewarm on April 03, 2016, 04:39:58 pm
There is a library on the other side of town, however.
I've got my baseball bat and all of my cocaine. Let's see how this works out.
Post by: pisskop on April 03, 2016, 05:01:00 pm
If your survival is high enough you can make a zombie slave and then rip some pheromones out of that.
Then do a night raid and squeeze the balls if you get into trouble.
Post by: Greiger on April 03, 2016, 07:46:58 pm
The result was basically a steamroller capable of exceeding 130 mph. It was glorious. Then it accidentally hit a giant frog at 100 mph when about to cross a bridge. Splattered the frog absolutely everywhere (the gibspray left on the ground was bigger than the car) and caused it to skid through the bridge's concrete railing and sink like a rock.
I think the frog used it's leap ability to jump in front of me to cause the crash on purpose. Swamp critters are smarter than they would seem...
Post by: SOLDIER First on April 03, 2016, 09:46:57 pm
Post by: TempAcc on April 04, 2016, 01:16:51 pm
I then make another unwilling mutant start, escape the lab using a portable teleporter after being shot a bit by the turret, run towards the closest down and, guess what, tank drone rampaging around. I actualy managed to escape that one, though.
Post by: pisskop on April 04, 2016, 01:17:38 pm
Feel the blessing of RNG as it bathes you in napalm and 120mm rounds
Post by: Aseaheru on April 04, 2016, 05:52:07 pm
Post by: SOLDIER First on April 04, 2016, 06:03:58 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 04, 2016, 06:15:23 pm
for those who lose interest in the game after surviving for a long time and becoming op, i found out a trick to make cata great again by realistically rping your own self in the game. for example, i dont imagine myself sewing my socks to make them sturdier or read books about medieval armor..and by that i basically make the game way more challenging and realistic, at least for me.Oh yeah, I've done this a bit. I tend to die because of all the physical flaws.
hell, i wouldnt even think of sitting down and sewing anything
Post by: Greiger on April 04, 2016, 06:59:36 pm
for those who lose interest in the game after surviving for a long time and becoming op, i found out a trick to make cata great again by realistically rping your own self in the game. for example, i dont imagine myself sewing my socks to make them sturdier or read books about medieval armor..and by that i basically make the game way more challenging and realistic, at least for me.I tried to do that a few times. I lasted a couple days once. The big flaws to that for me are that the things I wouldn't even consider doing are mechanics and construction which are some of the most enjoyable parts of the game, while things I actually am good at and willing to try from scratch are computers and electronics. Which by comparison bring little to the table.
hell, i wouldnt even think of sitting down and sewing anything
Also by comparison I think we need may a stronger version of languorous. I honestly don't think I could run even that far before either throwing up or passing out. :P
Post by: Aseaheru on April 04, 2016, 07:03:56 pm
Yes, there is that one mod, but its more of a hack than anything else
Post by: Tawa on April 04, 2016, 07:06:40 pm
I used to do that a lot. I tended to either get killed because I was too weak to fight zombies in melee or retrospectively realize I made a minmaxed monstrosity who only vaguely resembles me.for those who lose interest in the game after surviving for a long time and becoming op, i found out a trick to make cata great again by realistically rping your own self in the game. for example, i dont imagine myself sewing my socks to make them sturdier or read books about medieval armor..and by that i basically make the game way more challenging and realistic, at least for me.Oh yeah, I've done this a bit. I tend to die because of all the physical flaws.
hell, i wouldnt even think of sitting down and sewing anything
Post by: Aseaheru on April 04, 2016, 07:08:12 pm
Post by: celem on April 05, 2016, 01:29:25 pm
Now doing a Lets Play with a Broken Cyborg from Abandoned start (Hospital). Welcome any feedback people might have on gameplay or recording itself.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: pisskop on April 05, 2016, 01:39:57 pm
What version are you using?
How long have you lived before?
Post by: celem on April 05, 2016, 01:48:44 pm
Using cataclysmdda-0.C-4624, a recent experimental, most of my experience is with plain 0.C however.
Best life is about a month and kicking in a 0.C game with bionic prepper.
Most of my guys make a week or two before i make a string of poor calls and kill them. Usual roguelike stuff...yours to lose.
Post by: pisskop on April 05, 2016, 01:50:11 pm
Been dabbling with this title recently, had never heard of it to be honest. Few successfull runs, many not-so-much. Couple of tryhard bionic preppers with all points in stats, some hardened scavenger 'Ambush' guys wreaking havoc with the katana.
Now doing a Lets Play with a Broken Cyborg from Abandoned start (Hospital). Welcome any feedback people might have on gameplay or recording itself.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Feedback
-Dont worry about running over/killing every zombie. Youll get to the point where you will have a feel for how fast they are and what you can do. especially early on vehicle integrity is more important that health.
-Rags in hospitals is a fair point. Hospitals are 'hardcoded' though, so somebody would have to code them in. Besides, hospitals are a dangerous place for new characters, best to do what you did.
-Fire. I cannot stress enough that fire will kills faster than most new players, and can hit things while you are hitting other things.
-Dont make bindles. Youre better off, in this case, using your van and just making several trips.
-Furthermore, bindles are hugely encumbering on the hands and prevents using one hand. Make makeshift slings from sheets instead.
-Sheets can be found in every house window. {s}mash them and take the 2 sheets and 1 long string.
Im listening, not watching though
Post by: Aseaheru on April 05, 2016, 02:14:37 pm
Other feedback:
-The video starts a tad late, it cuts off the beginning of your comments.
-Your keyboard is somewhat loud in the video
-Marking heli crashsites so you can find them after getting a shovel or the like can be useful, as they often have loot hidden underneath the wreckage.
And in other news, I may well be attempting to record a series again for Cata, so...
Post by: pisskop on April 05, 2016, 03:17:29 pm
. . . actually, its pretty popular as it stands, so I guess you dont have to
In other news, its nearing completion of its merging into the core game mod. We has fungus which Im adding now, and then the support files for fungus and then the doom and its final supporting files.
Post by: chaoticag on April 05, 2016, 04:27:49 pm
Anyway, I did wanna ask about whether encumbrance got changed. I'm used to encumbrance being the number in the brackets, so what does this thing here mean exactly?
(http://i.imgur.com/OHycLn3.png)
I take it the x+y is now encumbrance now? How do I read what exactly that is though? And do the bracketed numbers mean anything anymore?
Post by: pisskop on April 05, 2016, 04:32:47 pm
instead of single-digit value, each one is broken down into double-digit values, from 00-xx.
It allows partial encumbrance and allows layers to matter more.
Every 10 increments the system penalizes you. So 9 encumbrance is considered completely unencumbered, but 10 incurs encumbrance penalty of 1. 19 is 1 encumbrance, but 20 is 2 penalties.
The penalties are very similiar to the old system.
In addition, there are layering penalties now, which is the number on the right of the plus. This results when you add items that share the same layer. By default, the penalty is 02, or one-fifth a penalty. Bulky or otherwise large objects may count for more.
There layers can be identified in the items description. Layers are:
-close to the body
-default
-over all that over crap
-strapped to you
-strapped to the waist
Post by: Tawa on April 05, 2016, 04:36:56 pm
Post by: chaoticag on April 05, 2016, 06:17:28 pm
Post by: Tawa on April 05, 2016, 06:40:33 pm
Post by: Greiger on April 05, 2016, 07:32:45 pm
I'm pretty sure the workplace safety folks would be proud of my creation. It's a small 3x3 tractor made mostly out of extra light frame 2 (diffrent size) bike wheels in front for steering, a bicycle seat, a sports car engine, alternator, battery and 2L fuel tank directly under the seat. A plow under the engine, a seed drill behind the seat, and a pair of semi truck tires for the back wheels.
My mental image of this thing is terrifying. Yer balancing on a bicycle seat on top of a huge engine that is precariously close to the gas tank as well as a major spark source. And falling off the seat while moving gives you either death by bisection from the plow or being flattened under the semi tires. I'm so proud.
Post by: Akura on April 05, 2016, 08:04:09 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 05, 2016, 08:45:17 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 05, 2016, 08:46:21 pm
You can use shovels, digging sticks, or the like to till ground...Hoes have to distinct advantage of not needing to use the construction menu. Their {a}pplied use is to make a dirt mount
Post by: Greiger on April 05, 2016, 09:01:23 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 06, 2016, 12:06:39 am
Post by: Sheb on April 06, 2016, 04:24:52 am
Post by: chaoticag on April 06, 2016, 04:41:19 am
Post by: celem on April 06, 2016, 05:25:00 am
Well, the warmth on the right, I knew about, just was wondering about the brackets on the left. Thanks for the info though.
The brackets far left is total number of layers on that slot.
edit: I gots some questions actually....
1) I can transfer all liquid from container X to container Y using unload (U). How do i fill an empty container from a full one though? say i have a gallon jug of clean water and an empty plastic bottle....how do i fill that smeller bottle from the larger?
2) Is the answer to '1)' above also the answer when dealing with a fire truck? I want to take water from it's onboard tanks. Do I need a hose and treat it like siphoning gas?
3) Followup to 2...can I just outright remove a tank from a fire-engine and lug it home full of water? or will it 'spill/empty' if I remove it?
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 06, 2016, 05:45:25 am
2) You need a hose as with gas. You can also use a tap like those found in RVs.
3) You can remove a tank and it will keep any liquid inside. It's then treated like any other liquid container.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 06, 2016, 05:53:40 am
1) Unload the larger container into the smaller one. The smaller one will be filled and the larger will keep any excess.
(2) Empty three gallons from the five gallon container into the three gallon container.
(3) Two gallons remain in the five gallon container. Empty the three gallon container.
(4) Pour the two gallons into the three gallon container.
(5) Fill the five gallon container and pour one gallon from it into the three gallon container - filling it
(6) Four gallons remain in the five gallon container
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 06, 2016, 06:09:24 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2016, 06:16:40 am
1) Unload the larger container into the smaller one. The smaller one will be filled and the larger will keep any excess.
(2) Empty three gallons from the five gallon container into the three gallon container.
(3) Two gallons remain in the five gallon container. Empty the three gallon container.
(4) Pour the two gallons into the three gallon container.
(5) Fill the five gallon container and pour one gallon from it into the three gallon container - filling it
(6) Four gallons remain in the five gallon container
Oh geez, I remember doing that in school. I never succeeded.._.
That was my exact thoughts as I read that. Very nice, CP!
I succeeded in a test with this, first time re-seeing it though. Although that was after I did silly ideas (ie Put the three gallon container into the five gallon container, since nobody mentioned the dimensions [...]. While technically correct, my test user asked me a very subtle "Are you sure?" which made me rethink it. xD)
3) You can remove a tank and it will keep any liquid inside. It's then treated like any other liquid container.It won't show how much though, or as far as I remember anyway :/
Would love to play the latest patch/update but time constraints!
Post by: chaoticag on April 06, 2016, 07:35:54 am
I'll prolly continue to feel boxed in until my skills improve enough to patch my clothes into armor and get a more reliable weapon.
Post by: freeze on April 06, 2016, 09:55:44 am
Lab start - failed cyborg
- Must not take Light Step - it's bugged and will completely nerf Squeaky Ankles
- Must take Flimsy or Frail
Hard mode:
- Fragile
- No fast healer allowed at start
Can you survive long enough to escape the lab and tech up to remove your Acidic Discharge and Leaky Bionic before they team up to kill you? I hope you saved some bandages and find a liquor store..
e:Play with z levels on if you want, but no using wall climbing to quickly and easily escape the lab, you cheater.
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 06, 2016, 07:45:35 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 06, 2016, 07:50:38 pm
mechanically or in general?
-In general-
When something is completely repaired (|| health) it can be refitted if it has the right flag. It is harder to refit an item than to repair it.
-Mechanic-
Items have healths, between 1 and 5. 1 is tattered : , and 5 is reinforced.
At 4 health (fully repaired), an item can be refitted, though it takes considerable skill to do so. The more damaged something is, the harder it is to repair it in general.
Refitting is an automatic practice, as in you dont get to choose when to do it; if the conditions are right for the attempt, the clothing will be refitted even if you could otherwise reinforce it.
Refitting removes encumbrance from an item: up to half of that encumbrance. Highly encumbering items will not get 50% knocked off their levels, but will benefit nontheless since encumbrance and warmth are the primary limitors on how much you can safely wear.
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 06, 2016, 07:56:35 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 06, 2016, 09:24:09 pm
High tailoring skill increases that chance, as does low difficulty.
Post by: pisskop on April 06, 2016, 09:27:53 pm
lvl 3 tailoring suffices if you dont care to make clothing
Post by: Ygdrad on April 07, 2016, 03:16:51 am
Post by: Darkmere on April 07, 2016, 03:21:24 am
Post by: DreamThorn on April 07, 2016, 03:27:36 am
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Post by: celem on April 07, 2016, 09:04:01 am
But I cant use bandages or first aid kits on them, those activate lists contain only head/torso. Furthermore, my head and torso are healing when I sleep, my limbs seem to be staying trashed.
What gives? Broken Cyborg if thats relevant, so acid discharges, but im on a water/fruit diet and nomming vitamins every hour or so, was hoping for some recovery by now...
Post by: Sheb on April 07, 2016, 09:07:13 am
Post by: TempAcc on April 07, 2016, 09:10:12 am
The game world doesn't have working npc factions just yet (IIRC) or really absurd endgame-ish areas yet, sooo..
Post by: celem on April 07, 2016, 09:17:08 am
I had the same issue. I was in the process of crafting splints when I got trashed by a shocker hulk, so I didn't test them. Maybe you should try if they help?
Aii, I dont have the skills to make those :( The survival I could probably rustle up but I dont have first aid 1. I wonder if its an item I might find in a Hospital...
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2016, 09:25:21 am
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Post by: Aseaheru on April 07, 2016, 09:36:15 am
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They way you deal with totally broken limbs is splints and wait a week or two for them to start healing or brave a hospital and deal with the pain caused by the machine. I think its the stem cell thing, havent been in one for a while.
Post by: chaoticag on April 07, 2016, 10:06:43 am
Later on found out they were poisonous, whoops. Seems I didn't get poisoned, but I needed a day or two to recover from that fight.
So my thoughts so far are.... I might not really want to add more points to my character than the default really, unless I feel I want to take a specific mutation. Last I plyed I set myself up for 32 points instead of 8, and 8 seems... just fine honestly. I didn't even take the freebe flaws truthteller and ugly. I think in all honestly, 14 points might be what I would consider if I really wanted high power. A point spent on surivial can really go a long way towards getting you situated.
Post by: Ygdrad on April 07, 2016, 03:27:08 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 07, 2016, 03:29:32 pm
-stats
-skills
-traits
in their respective areas.
I use my older setups of 'hobo' and 'debug' which are set up using the one pool system.
tbcf, I never had an issue with the one pool system. Or at least I never had an issue restraining myself from minmaxing.
Post by: Tawa on April 07, 2016, 03:35:24 pm
Oh, that one. [What's supposed to spawn there? I've been to those a bunch of times with both random and static NPCs on and never found anything.]Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: pisskop on April 07, 2016, 03:39:42 pm
Oh, that one. [What's supposed to spawn there? I've been to those a bunch of times with both random and static NPCs on and never found anything.]Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Aseaheru on April 07, 2016, 03:49:24 pm
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Post by: scrdest on April 07, 2016, 05:39:49 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 07, 2016, 05:42:46 pm
But there are also new, unmarked bandit camps. With gun using bandits
Post by: Ygdrad on April 08, 2016, 08:34:11 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 08, 2016, 08:40:04 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 09, 2016, 12:26:42 pm
Post by: etgfrog on April 09, 2016, 01:42:24 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 09, 2016, 07:10:13 pm
Can a mi-go mimic gunfire sounds and/or a klaxon?All migo noises, though the gunfire might actually be gunfire
Post by: Dozebôm Lolumzalìs on April 13, 2016, 11:21:15 am
Also, the hell do I cook dandelions?
Post by: pisskop on April 13, 2016, 11:22:25 am
Post by: chaoticag on April 13, 2016, 11:38:49 am
I'm trying to make a stone shovel. I have all the necessary skills and all the necessary materials, but the "stone" is brown-colored, instead of green, red, or gray. The hell does that mean?Hah, make sure you have more than one stone. The problem here is the stone material is the same as the stone tool, which has a hammering quality of 1. You can't use a stone to hammer itself.
Also, the hell do I cook dandelions?Good question. Looks like there's more than one way to do that. Here (http://cdda-trunk.estilofusion.com/search?q=dandelion). Hit the craft button to see the recipe. Hopefully this helps. I did a search for the development build, so make sure to mention whether you're on the dev or the stable.
Post by: Dozebôm Lolumzalìs on April 13, 2016, 01:32:30 pm
Do I need to read a book or something?
Edit: I'm having trouble dumping cheap wine out of my gallon jug.
Post by: BigD145 on April 13, 2016, 02:16:56 pm
I'mon 0.Cnot on experimentals. And that recipe is not showing up...
Post by: pisskop on April 13, 2016, 03:09:27 pm
Get the Expies. They are wholly better, insofar as they have all the new stuff, and are pretty stable since most Experimental players very quickly yell at the devs when CTDs happen or something doesnt work well.
And they even complaing about things I wouldnt have done (like sewing)
Post by: Baffler on April 13, 2016, 03:11:17 pm
Post by: Dozebôm Lolumzalìs on April 13, 2016, 04:41:41 pm
Post by: Akura on April 13, 2016, 04:47:05 pm
Post by: Dozebôm Lolumzalìs on April 13, 2016, 04:53:46 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 13, 2016, 04:56:34 pm
Post by: Akura on April 13, 2016, 04:57:38 pm
As for cooking dandelions, if you don't have the recipe on the crafting list, then you don't know the recipe. I think cooked dandelions is auto-learned from survival, though I don't know the level.
Post by: Gentlefish on April 14, 2016, 12:17:04 am
Post by: TempAcc on April 15, 2016, 02:38:49 pm
Hoh boy, +200 zombies killed already, and counting.
Post by: blazing glory on April 16, 2016, 03:19:11 am
Is it possible to stop the prompt to drop or put away and item that appears whenever I try to put away or switch what I'm holding? If I wanted to drop or wear it I'd do so rather then try to actually put it away.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 16, 2016, 03:35:45 am
Post by: Sheb on April 16, 2016, 03:44:13 am
Decided that I'm going to clear out a 5x5 map tile size Mall.
Hoh boy, +200 zombies killed already, and counting.
That's easy. All you need is a lighter.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 16, 2016, 03:57:46 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 16, 2016, 04:10:51 am
Post by: chaoticag on April 16, 2016, 04:25:53 am
Post by: pisskop on April 16, 2016, 05:19:57 am
weapon 'to-hit' bonuses also add/subtract 1d10 die from the rolls as appropriate, making easy to use weapons like a bat better for use against dodgey critters like dogs when unskilled. Than say a homewrecker.
As your skill goes up, your chance to crit skyrockets too, increasing damage. With ranged weapons it helps determine 'how solid' hits are, i.e. grazing, good, headshoot, etc.
And then each weapons can use (and simultaneously train) several damage types, and monsters and armor can have custom set levels of armor against each ammo type. I could setskeletons to have 50 piercing armor but 2 bashing armor. And because I didnt set cutting armor here it would have zero.
So I guess it depends on on the weapons involved, the stamina drains involved, the monsters you are fighting, their weights/volumes, and why dont you carry both? With scabbards you could.
But 3 piercing isnt all so higher than 0. and will be trained by you soon enough. so maybe keep a piercer for hight tier spawns and train your cutter on the masses
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2016, 10:34:51 am
Post by: Tawa on April 16, 2016, 10:47:45 am
Post by: pisskop on April 16, 2016, 10:52:28 am
If it doesnt make mea twhen butchered it is no longer spawning. Also standard frogs are gone despite making meat.
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2016, 10:56:14 am
Vermin have been removed in the most recent versions.
That's a regular spider, Tir. You're thinking of giant spiders, those are the 's' ones. :U@_@ What vermin?! I've always thought of those creeps as person-sized or small-dog-like sized <_<
And yes, I'm thinking of the giant spiders, because the hover-text I received while aiming (how does aiming and the different positions work again?) match my memory of those giant spiders .-.
Also how 'removed' is removed? I'm bothered because my 'fire' indicator can see them, but everything else can't. And I'm just creeped out to have a spider right next to me in my sleep ._. I mean sure, that was the usual like before if you slept in the open, but this one is invisible and there was no notice beforehand (in other words: Tiruin did not know that! Thanks pisskop/Tawa!)
Also...is it possible to have an updated gun descriptor screen after all additions are added in? I'd like to see the current update of the Dispersion + Recoil on my heavily modded rifle. :P
Post by: TempAcc on April 16, 2016, 12:11:25 pm
Post by: Darkmere on April 16, 2016, 01:03:19 pm
Vermin have been removed in the most recent versions.
Well, that's kind of a shame. My ambience! Whyyyy!?
Post by: Greiger on April 16, 2016, 05:56:16 pm
Pretty much all they did is occasionally turn hostile (while being unable to attack) and stop yer crafting and reading when trapped inside with you, be a borderline exploity way to train melee (as they were near impossible to hit), confuse people when they see something like a wolf spider on their nearby warning only to find it's a normal size wolf spider and not the eat your face kind, and wreck your car when you suddenly plowed into a herd of lemmings at 100 mph you didn't know were there.
Happy they are gone myself. It was ambience, but annoying.
Post by: pisskop on April 16, 2016, 05:58:20 pm
Theyve gotten a lot better about hallucinations and wrecking your car, but as recently as a week ago a hallucinated cacodemon put out my windshield
Post by: SOLDIER First on April 16, 2016, 06:07:04 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 17, 2016, 02:34:10 am
There were vermin ala dwarf fortress, teeny tiny critters that only have a "." for an icon. Those would be normal frogs, lemmings, normal spiders and the like.So ._. Uh...
Pretty much all they did is occasionally turn hostile (while being unable to attack) and stop yer crafting and reading when trapped inside with you, be a borderline exploity way to train melee (as they were near impossible to hit), confuse people when they see something like a wolf spider on their nearby warning only to find it's a normal size wolf spider and not the eat your face kind, and wreck your car when you suddenly plowed into a herd of lemmings at 100 mph you didn't know were there.
Happy they are gone myself. It was ambience, but annoying.
-snip-I was seeing vermin ^, as well as a giant type of it, right? :O
Is it gone in the latest experimental because the imagery of having those ON me is very .____. ...*shuddery*
Post by: Akura on April 17, 2016, 06:10:26 am
I liked having them around myself, and am sad they're gone.
Post by: SOLDIER First on April 17, 2016, 06:11:34 am
Post by: Akura on April 17, 2016, 06:16:00 am
Post by: SOLDIER First on April 17, 2016, 06:17:30 am
Post by: Akura on April 17, 2016, 06:23:13 am
Post by: SOLDIER First on April 17, 2016, 06:27:42 am
Post by: Greiger on April 17, 2016, 11:31:08 am
Post by: Arcvasti on April 17, 2016, 11:01:02 pm
Hmm, I'm sure this was asked an age ago, but does anyone know how skill rolls are resolved for melee? Mostly wondering how bad it would be to go from melee 4 piercing 3 to using a cutting weapon when my cutting is 0. Does melee affect accuracy and specific skill affect damage?
The big thing skill does for cutting weapons is makes it less likely to get stuck in things. Cutting weapons, particularly unwieldy ones like Lajatangs, get stuck in enemies a LOT with low skill. If you have a really good cutting weapon like a Zweihander as well as a decent lighter cutting weapon[Machetes come to mind] to raise skill with, then go for it. Otherwise, piercing weapons are pretty robust[ALL HAIL KNIFE SPEAR] and are often better against armoured enemies.
Post by: Tiruin on April 18, 2016, 12:14:18 am
It shouldn't have been a "^". They were small animals, such as minks, lemmings, frogs, and muskrats. Harmless {because they're too small to be infected} except for the spiders occasionally turning hostile - which is still harmless as the mundane ones are at most an inch wide or so in real life.I had just realized that all my recent posts were in a world where I put ON the mod that spawns critters ._. oops!
I liked having them around myself, and am sad they're gone.
Yea man, those giant cellar spiders? They are one of the few enemies you find in towns that I just don't fuck with without heavy weaponry and/or one or two allied NPC meatshields. All it takes is one hit and all yer important combat stats tank.You can be an unarmed fighter with at least +3 to melee/unarmed :P I ALWAYS make mine Ninjutsu practitioners, and depending on mood, go on a rifle/archer build. We can take on those big cellar dudes with just hard armpads/legpads :3
...But yeah they are scary. <_<
Still wondering if mods for ranged weapons are computed whenever you 'x'amine them, because I've been manually computing recoil/dispersion with the ammo I use + the weapon characteristics and then picking (if possible) which mods to attach. :P
Post by: chaoticag on April 18, 2016, 01:13:36 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 18, 2016, 02:27:18 am
Also note that some weapons use and train several skills. The zweihänder (and Flammenschwert) is as much a bashing weapon as it is a cutting one.Hmm, I'm sure this was asked an age ago, but does anyone know how skill rolls are resolved for melee? Mostly wondering how bad it would be to go from melee 4 piercing 3 to using a cutting weapon when my cutting is 0. Does melee affect accuracy and specific skill affect damage?The big thing skill does for cutting weapons is makes it less likely to get stuck in things. Cutting weapons, particularly unwieldy ones like Lajatangs, get stuck in enemies a LOT with low skill. If you have a really good cutting weapon like a Zweihander as well as a decent lighter cutting weapon[Machetes come to mind] to raise skill with, then go for it. Otherwise, piercing weapons are pretty robust[ALL HAIL KNIFE SPEAR] and are often better against armoured enemies.
Post by: TempAcc on April 18, 2016, 09:33:19 pm
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Post by: Orange Wizard on April 18, 2016, 09:38:45 pm
Post by: SOLDIER First on April 18, 2016, 09:45:11 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on April 18, 2016, 10:05:09 pm
Post by: Culise on April 18, 2016, 10:45:57 pm
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Post by: Greiger on April 19, 2016, 12:18:25 am
Enjoy the batteries. I recommend an M60 on full auto. Preferably attached to a jury rigged frame so you can just feed ammo into it. ....Actually I wonder if a portable fold-able mounted gun like that is possible.
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 19, 2016, 12:54:26 am
Post by: Akura on April 19, 2016, 04:29:53 am
Post by: pisskop on April 19, 2016, 08:44:44 pm
A gracken got pissed at a nearby dog and murdered it.
A racoon got pissed that the gracken killed its homie, and since gracken were modified by me to be more sporadic the gracken came for me.
I fired the gracken to death, and this action pissed off a moose. The racoon is still hitting me.
I took my nail bat to the face of the moose, who destroyed my trenchcoat but learned not to be a dick.
Killing the moose made the racoon rethink his priorities, tracking me instead of being hostile.
A second moose, seeing the death of his glorious brethren, charged me into a tree. The racoon gets angry again because a mammal is attacking
That moose was put down, and the racoon is again tracking.
I set a fire under the racoon, and a third moose sees it.
I nailbat that guys face too.
gdi guiz.
Post by: Blaze on April 19, 2016, 11:11:57 pm
Enjoy the batteries. I recommend an M60 on full auto. Preferably attached to a jury rigged frame so you can just feed ammo into it. ....Actually I wonder if a portable fold-able mounted gun like that is possible.The vehicle mod only makes them manual, not foldable; I should probably include that.
Other than that it's fairly simple:
Folding frame: 10 volume
Your choice of gun: X volume.
That's all you need for a manual turret really. I personally like to add a mounted scorpion (10 volume) to launch flame bolts while staying in safety on the outskirts of town/fungal infestation; then pack up and run away before they get close.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 19, 2016, 11:56:33 pm
I mean, the bipod could probably also work that way.
Post by: Darkmere on April 20, 2016, 12:12:29 am
Enjoy the batteries. I recommend an M60 on full auto. Preferably attached to a jury rigged frame so you can just feed ammo into it. ....Actually I wonder if a portable fold-able mounted gun like that is possible.The vehicle mod only makes them manual, not foldable; I should probably include that.
Other than that it's fairly simple:
Folding frame: 10 volume
Your choice of gun: X volume.
That's all you need for a manual turret really. I personally like to add a mounted scorpion (10 volume) to launch flame bolts while staying in safety on the outskirts of town/fungal infestation; then pack up and run away before they get close.
I've done the same with a... whatever the slingshot mortar with bicycle pedals is. Inferno canisters lobbed into triffid queens. When in doubt, torch the whole forest and camp for a while til the fire's gone. They werne't as great vs 5 zombie hulks, though.
Post by: pisskop on April 23, 2016, 08:47:28 pm
anybody know of a decent napalm like sustance that can be used in small enough sustances to be carried by a manhack (or a large manhack like the ones that carry mininukes) and will semi-reliably coat the ground and be made by a survivor?
I looked and i think I can fudge a ethanol/limestone/vinegar paste?
Post by: Culise on April 23, 2016, 09:41:47 pm
Finally, if you really want napalm, apparently it's also in some anarchist cookbooks, though I've obviously never tried it for myself. You can manage it with gasoline mixed with styrofoam (the latter dissolves in the former, apparently, until you end up with a sticky syrup that won't dissolve any more). That requires there to be styrofoam in the game, though. The other option in this cookbook is a 1:1 mix of gasoline and soap (flakes or shredded bar, but not detergents), heated in a double-boiler (water underneath) so the soap melts in the upper container, at which point you remove it from the flame and add gasoline, stirring until the agglutination thickens. In the game, that'd probably be two instruments with a boiling capacity, maybe some tool to powder the soap - a grater or the like), water (not consumed), fire or some heating source (not consumed), gasoline, and plenty of soap bars (apparently 10% by weight). I'm also seeing some people recommend powdered aluminum (replacing benzine, which is not a household product) or gelatin powder as a thickener to reduce separation issues. While it's not napalm, you can also gel gasoline directly with egg whites (85:14, with an additive such as salt, cocoa, sugar, aspirin, or coffee).
Keep in mind, though, that while I call these "anarchist cookbook" recipes, that kind of category also includes stuff like extracting pure RDX from C-4 and producing nitroglycerin from base materials, so don't take that as being easy or safe.
And I'm pretty sure I'm now on all sorts of fun watch lists. Again.
EDIT: Added some more details.
EDIT 2: Good heavens, that last paragraph was a train-wreck. Fixed. Also, turns out there is a napalm recipe already in the game. I did not know that. Also also, it was the modern gunpowder recipes that were removed rather than the primers, so I fixed that as well.
Post by: pisskop on April 24, 2016, 12:20:58 am
try saplings if you can
Post by: Greiger on April 24, 2016, 09:41:01 am
That gives you a chance to very quickly pull a grenade or something out of the fire before it has a chance to cook as well as save any particularly valuable flammable stuff the zombie may have dropped.
Also I believe cataclysm dda more follows the rules of Hollywood than the rules of physics when it comes to explosions.
Post by: pisskop on April 24, 2016, 09:54:00 am
It sounds you searched for the recipes directly. Ive been squeamish about doing so, but I guess its a 'yellow line driving' kind of reluctance.
You know, where you are actually afraid of crossing the yellow line dividing the roads despite it not actually being a real construct?
Post by: Akura on April 24, 2016, 12:10:54 pm
Post by: BigD145 on April 24, 2016, 12:30:44 pm
I'm not sure I understand the sentence structure of where it tells you the requirements to remove a vehicle part. To remove a car trunk, for example, it says I need "a wrench and a hacksaw, cutting torch and welding goggles, or a circular saw(off)". I'm pretty sure I'm carrying just the wrench and hacksaw, and all the requirements are green(meaning I can remove it). I'm pretty sure I remember the cutting torch/goggles was also a requirement along with the hacksaw, but I guess that was changed? And does it matter which I use, the hacksaw, torch(right now all I have is a makeshift welder) or circular saw?
wrench + hacksaw
cutting torch + welding goggles
circular saw
Post by: Gentlefish on April 24, 2016, 04:33:19 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 24, 2016, 04:36:18 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on April 25, 2016, 02:58:34 am
Post by: TempAcc on April 25, 2016, 08:22:45 am
Post by: celem on April 25, 2016, 08:27:52 am
The notable tool it does not replace is the soldering iron, though it also lacks the various construction capabilities (wood saw, axe etc).
Toolbox is...its a lot heavier, needs to be reloaded with precious duct tape and only gains some non-metal repair capabilities vs the integrated CBM
Post by: chaoticag on April 25, 2016, 08:43:05 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 25, 2016, 08:49:43 am
Both functions devour batteries however. So if your reserves are not too good... well.
(I use a custom "easier start" mod so I've used cbm tools quite a bit. It is indeed a very convenient cbm. Not that you cant fulfil its function in other ways... tools are easy to get and welders easy to juryrig. It does save you the time hunting them down and then lugging them around)
Post by: Man of Paper on April 25, 2016, 09:14:16 am
Craig Ferguson.
This is promising already.
Post by: TempAcc on April 25, 2016, 09:20:31 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 25, 2016, 09:24:26 am
Craig Ferguson.Oh yeah, the names are fantastic. Whoever put Snow Meow in there is my hero.
(I use a custom "easier start" mod)That's a good idea, really. I've been meaning to tweak the drop rates of some items (mainly canned food and everyday tools) to be more common, because beyond game balance it doesn't make much sense for them to be as rare as they are.
It's also annoying to turn up item rates in worldgen to deal with that, only to discover that your neighbour now has nine shotguns in their bedside table.
Post by: Sheb on April 25, 2016, 11:21:57 am
Re: Integrated Toolset CBM, the best think to combine it with is internal furnace. A log or two will give you a crapton of energy.
Post by: Akura on April 25, 2016, 04:04:37 pm
Post by: Akura on April 25, 2016, 04:48:07 pm
I thought you were talking about the crafting menu.
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Post by: Adragis on April 25, 2016, 04:52:52 pm
Post by: Akura on April 25, 2016, 05:07:07 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 25, 2016, 05:49:51 pm
My main reason is that I grow frustrated with slow starts. I kind of miss some of the ease from the whalesdev days (although granted, back then becoming unstoppable was TOO easy).Craig Ferguson.Oh yeah, the names are fantastic. Whoever put Snow Meow in there is my hero.(I use a custom "easier start" mod)That's a good idea, really. I've been meaning to tweak the drop rates of some items (mainly canned food and everyday tools) to be more common, because beyond game balance it doesn't make much sense for them to be as rare as they are.
It's also annoying to turn up item rates in worldgen to deal with that, only to discover that your neighbour now has nine shotguns in their bedside table.
My custom start basically gives you a custom profession several "quality of life" bionics with low point cost as to make the early game easier, as well as a couple of custom starting scenarios for flavor. It doesn't modify item spawn rates, or, indeed, monster strenght. Furthermore , as the augments are not particularily geared for combat, it's important to play it careful. Even then mid-game death by hubris is a distinct possibility.
Anyway, if you're curious, here's the link
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=11110.msg273249#msg273249
Post by: Akura on April 26, 2016, 04:59:34 am
Post by: TempAcc on April 26, 2016, 08:37:41 am
I feel this could be made better by following the general tendency of the cataclysm, IE of things getting worse as time goes on. Not only with scarier zombies etc, but an extra element of danger, like portals opening up in certain places, spawning hard to fight creeps and that can only be shut down by destroying a certain creature or thing. I also feel there should also be some sort of incentive for players to go and destroy fungal towers, triffid groves and etc.
Post by: pisskop on April 26, 2016, 09:17:45 am
Post by: TempAcc on April 26, 2016, 09:37:40 am
Having factions running around with armed thugs to loot, kill certain things, trying to ambush the player and whatnot would add a great deal of immersion to the game.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 26, 2016, 10:07:14 am
Idk, the problem with the game atm isn't that the start tends to be slow,For me it is. I get bored of having to spend an hour hunting for basic survival tools. I get even MORE bored of spawning in small four-five houses towns in the middle of nowhere and get eaten by wolves. Yeah, I'm sure that by starting as X and doing Y and Z you can minimize the risk of that happening. But I'm not about to bother. That's why I made myself this thing, so that each game is fun (to me)
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its that once you get to a point where you have a working character up that can deal with most things, there's not much to do after. You can travel around, get yourself a nice vehicle, install tons of CBMs and mutate yourself to high hell, but there's no sort of super end game thing or challenges to do.Agreed on this part to an extent, though. THere's stuff to explore (and there's danger in exploring. Particularily with high-tier zombies.). But yeah, the world is too static right now.
I feel this could be made better by following the general tendency of the cataclysm, IE of things getting worse as time goes on. Not only with scarier zombies etc, but an extra element of danger, like portals opening up in certain places, spawning hard to fight creeps and that can only be shut down by destroying a certain creature or thing. I also feel there should also be some sort of incentive for players to go and destroy fungal towers, triffid groves and etc.
id love it. id love to see real progress on the war of three or factions running around with guns or anomalous areasI'd like more interaction/activity between triffids, fungals, goo, and the netherum.
The netherum in particular need more loving. Right now they're too much random monsters.
By the way: I think the arcana mod is great.
Post by: pisskop on April 26, 2016, 11:55:05 am
Post by: TempAcc on April 26, 2016, 12:16:47 pm
The only reason I keep playing is the challenge of building a good vehicle to travel around in and finding more CBMs, mutagens and books so I can became even more overpowered and craft a bunch of stuff I haven't actualy messed with yet, but there's no real challenge other then finding the stuff I want and the joy of exploration.
If the enemies got stronger and my character was more focused on brainy things, then maybe you'd actualy have an incentive to craft some things apart from just armor and weapons and maybe invest on an actual base. Right now there's no real reason to build yourself a non mobile base, because if you get away from towns and other once inhabited places, its unlikely you'll ever be accosted by anything bigger then a wolf and the ocasional bear (which is far weaker then a zombie brute). Enemies don't have to get stronger per se, but more, different threats should come up, at least.
Right now, you're basically exposed to the same level of threat you get at the early game. This is a twofold problem because this means that you can get steamrolled at the start really easily, but you're basically invincible if you get strong enough to deal with most threats, making both stages feel unsatisfying in their own way.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 26, 2016, 12:46:43 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 26, 2016, 12:52:10 pm
hopefully territorial, gun toting, toll-booth having, bandit raidening, barricade building npcs will help that out
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 26, 2016, 01:00:56 pm
I mean, I can accept and understand them having a role. But I'd rather have zombie hordes, fungal and triffid expansion, and the netherworld horrors, becoming more tangible threats for sedentary players.
Post by: Adragis on April 26, 2016, 01:02:41 pm
Thing is, I don't like NPCs all that much :(Same, although less 'a threat' and more 'a challenge that doesn't go away and leave sedentary players bored'.
I mean, I can accept and understand them having a role. But I'd rather have zombie hordes, fungal and triffid expansion, and the netherworld horrors, becoming more tangible threats for sedentary players.
I think that's what you meant tho :p
Post by: TempAcc on April 26, 2016, 01:08:30 pm
Normal zombies, triffids and fungaloids are pretty much the same thing with slightly different stats. It'd be nice if there were more enemies that did things other then ~shamble towards the player in a group and try to get in melee~. It'd be nice if there were enemies capable of doing other things, which is why I find NPCs to be fun, since they can carry guns, explosives, use martial arts (I think), carry decent melee weapons and all that jazz. It'd also be fun if NPCs went around on vehicles, too. Imagine walking into a town and seeing a bunch of NPCs parked near a grocery store, loading up their van and then taking off with what they looted while running over zombies.
Stuff like blockades, NPC bases, wandering psychopaths and etc are all pretty cool, IMO. Also, enemies should maybe react to the player. If you have, say, taken over a farm far from the closest town and are cultivating food like nobody's business, this should probably/eventualy attract the attention of some NPC faction who would prob try to take it from you or negotiate, at least.
Post by: BigD145 on April 26, 2016, 01:17:46 pm
Post by: Xardalas on April 26, 2016, 02:47:49 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 26, 2016, 02:53:38 pm
EG: have them spawn in refugee centers, and LMOEs. Armored basements...
Post by: Aseaheru on April 26, 2016, 03:29:25 pm
Covenant, do you have welding goggles?
Post by: Gentlefish on April 26, 2016, 04:24:22 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 26, 2016, 04:33:11 pm
Post by: Xardalas on April 28, 2016, 03:05:03 pm
I found a intact humvee that runs on diesel and three working electric cars. I was thinking of building the solar panels inside of the humvee on the roof nad letting all of that lovely military composite armor protect it all. I've never actually built any vehicles in Cata before though.
Post by: Gentlefish on April 28, 2016, 03:12:49 pm
Oh, empty out the diesel tank, rip it off, and turn it into a dirty water tank. You can install funnels to collect water for you that way! There's really no reason not to have a mobile base these days, minus farming.
Post by: Xardalas on April 28, 2016, 03:34:49 pm
Only got a single large electric motor though. I am not sure if that is enough to even run the humvee and get it moving at any decent speed.
Post by: Gentlefish on April 28, 2016, 03:37:30 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 28, 2016, 04:16:48 pm
Post by: Teneb on April 28, 2016, 05:11:57 pm
Post by: Xardalas on April 28, 2016, 05:33:12 pm
Also, is the Cata wiki down or something? I still can't connect to it.
Post by: Greiger on April 28, 2016, 05:35:56 pm
Probably once z-level cars go in (if they ever do) we'll be able to specify exactly where we want the solar panels to be.
Donno what's up with the wiki.
Bit of a question, I know there have been multiple passes on attempts at z levels. But I see multiple z-level building mods. One of them I know was from the first attempt at z-levels. Do they both work with the current z-level implementation or is one of them horribly borked if I try to play with them on?
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 28, 2016, 07:24:00 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 28, 2016, 08:43:48 pm
Post by: beorn080 on April 28, 2016, 09:01:26 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 28, 2016, 09:48:40 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 28, 2016, 10:12:30 pm
Post by: Greiger on April 28, 2016, 10:26:31 pm
I also completely missed the npc but they got distracted by the explosion of car chunks that suddenly appeared from the wreck they were standing near and spent the next 20 turns picking up chunks of steel, so it worked out.
Maybe it matters that I'm using the mod that makes it so turrets aren't all automatic anymore?
Post by: pisskop on April 29, 2016, 12:02:14 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 29, 2016, 01:04:32 am
I also completely missed the npc but they got distracted by the explosion of car chunks that suddenly appeared from the wreck they were standing near and spent the next 20 turns picking up chunks of steel, so it worked out."That guy's aim is so bad that I'm not even going to acknowledge his presence any more."
Post by: ThtblovesDF on April 29, 2016, 02:34:10 am
Post by: Aseaheru on April 29, 2016, 02:51:40 am
Post by: Blaze on April 29, 2016, 03:19:27 am
Also, attaching enough anti-gravity panels to get your vehicle to negative weight makes for some very entertaining physics antics.
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 29, 2016, 03:21:01 am
Post by: Greiger on April 29, 2016, 10:37:29 am
Post by: pisskop on April 29, 2016, 11:09:24 am
if all 4 wheels turn in the same direction than it wont turn, just glide to the right.
Post by: Greiger on April 29, 2016, 11:56:38 am
Post by: pisskop on April 29, 2016, 12:07:42 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 29, 2016, 12:30:19 pm
But if you add a specific complaint maybe?
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 03, 2016, 04:10:28 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 03, 2016, 07:43:22 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on May 03, 2016, 08:01:28 pm
Oh another note, how do you use tree spiles? I made one and had a decent selection of starting tools (hammer, knife, screwdriver) but still couldn't do anything with it.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 03, 2016, 08:51:22 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 03, 2016, 10:18:24 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on May 03, 2016, 11:32:08 pm
Heck, woodpeckers have been doing this for who knows how long, and they just use their beaks.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 03, 2016, 11:38:35 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on May 03, 2016, 11:45:04 pm
the zombies have 3 to 4 manhacks per on them in the statswhat kind of scientist carries that many anti-personnel weapons on their person at all times
a mad one
Post by: Rolan7 on May 03, 2016, 11:59:03 pm
Post by: Kaitol on May 09, 2016, 02:15:36 pm
Not that I'm complaining, it's just, if you intended it to be a viable start at all you might want to lower the brute spawn rate, there's just so damn many of them. Currently convict #2 is up to five brutes killed and isn't close to escaping, and their body is a barely functioning ruin.
I could probably breeze through this a lot easier with light step or a martial art but I want to see if this thug can manage it. I do like that there's a challenge but it might just be a taaad too brutal without doing very specific things to make it easy. Just my opinion though.
Post by: kulik on May 11, 2016, 05:04:08 am
Post by: Akura on May 11, 2016, 05:39:09 am
Post by: Egan_BW on May 11, 2016, 08:38:13 am
Post by: pisskop on May 11, 2016, 09:51:13 am
So is the prison break start intended to be impossible without a moderate amount of luck and stealth? Because I made a 16 str, 2 melee, 4 unarmed, tough, pain resistant convict and it took two characters to not die to the two brutes that spawned in the first cafeteria room. And the second one only made it because I cheated in a shot of oxycodone because holy hell those things stack pain so fast with those huge punches.
Not that I'm complaining, it's just, if you intended it to be a viable start at all you might want to lower the brute spawn rate, there's just so damn many of them. Currently convict #2 is up to five brutes killed and isn't close to escaping, and their body is a barely functioning ruin.
I could probably breeze through this a lot easier with light step or a martial art but I want to see if this thug can manage it. I do like that there's a challenge but it might just be a taaad too brutal without doing very specific things to make it easy. Just my opinion though.
yea, you need a fair amount of luck. its not supposed to be easy what items would min medium secufuty prisoners have access to that would help?
-electronic shaver
-cheap noodles
-mp3
-plastic water bottle
you might be able to make a case for a pda. that would allow for crafting.
your best bet is to get into the guards room. getting over the gate would hard too.
Post by: Akura on May 11, 2016, 05:55:38 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 11, 2016, 06:01:25 pm
When you disassemble an RC Car box to get the car, remote control, and batteries, what happens to the box they came in?considering the rc control is volume 4 and the cardboard boxes in the game are size 4 im sure they go to box heaven.
Im asking if anybody has any ideas for wildlife/Zanimal mutations they have. its somewhat vexing me
Post by: Akura on May 11, 2016, 06:16:07 pm
PRE-EDIT: There's actually zombie and domestic pigs, just not wild ones. And while checking, I accidentally closed the game without saving, losing an hour and a half's worth of progress. >_<
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 12, 2016, 01:50:36 am
Im asking if anybody has any ideas for wildlife/Zanimal mutations they have. its somewhat vexing meZombified ravens that cause blindness with their attacks?
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 12, 2016, 03:14:50 am
An anteater wouldn't make sense as they're not native to New England.
Post by: Majestic7 on May 12, 2016, 04:04:51 am
Post by: Sheb on May 12, 2016, 04:05:37 am
Post by: ThtblovesDF on May 12, 2016, 04:36:40 am
Post by: Akura on May 12, 2016, 05:15:11 am
It's actually slightly better than it was - during the looting run on a school where the previous save I grabbed a few extra fire extinguishers and placed them in strategic points around my base; one of those fortified basements with the dead guy behind the sandbags. I figure with all the flammables and chemicals(the main point of the run was finding that chemistry textbook; almost gave up before I found the chemistry classrooms) lying around the base, and there being one single exit, an accidental fire would become a major problem really quick.
And of course, I immediately saved.
Post by: SOLDIER First on May 12, 2016, 05:51:31 am
Zombified ravens that don't damage you but follow you around and make you hallucinate as long as they're onscreen. Said hallucination is a constant ticking every few turns, which progressively gets louder and covers up any sound on that turn after a certain point.Im asking if anybody has any ideas for wildlife/Zanimal mutations they have. its somewhat vexing meZombified ravens that cause blindness with their attacks?
Killing the raven gives a happiness boost and ends the hallucination, but good luck hitting it without crazy accuracy.
Post by: Egan_BW on May 12, 2016, 07:24:33 am
Post by: TempAcc on May 12, 2016, 07:47:47 am
Zombie assimilator: Starts off weak but can eat/assimilate corpses to gain stacking flat HP increase and melee damage, but becomes slower and slower the more bodies it assimilates.
A slenderman thing that only spawns under certain circunstances (maybe only after using a certain artifact or something). Always spawns far from the player and only stays on line of sight for a bit before teleporting elsewhere. Will ocasionaly appear closer and closer to the player, up to the point it gets in melee range, in which it does a devastating attack then disappears. Drops special loot if killed, maybe? Can appear as an hallucination due to drugs/schizophrenia.
Giant antlion: Generally a sarlacc type thing. Immobile, only lives in its own pits. Pits are slippery and will often cause monsters/the player to fall down and ocasionaly move towards the antlion. Can be butchered for lots of meat and carapace.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 12, 2016, 07:50:22 am
Post by: Egan_BW on May 12, 2016, 09:26:30 am
(No idea how plausible any of that it.)
Post by: pisskop on May 12, 2016, 11:57:17 am
Sonic birds, yes
bone spitting zombie, yes if its a custom gun
termite, of course, with a little modding we could probably even give it a randomly generated home like ants have.
assimilation zombie would require code to help it get stronger after eating.
Antlion could be an immobile can_dig critter who spawns en masse and such. Definitely if we get desert biomes.
Putrid blobs could be a coded in thing.
Crickets could be a later appearing field thing. I actually like the idea, but being a loud mf only really matters if hordes.
Raven cant be zombified because lore, and hallucination isnt something I know how to cause. other flying predators would be nice in general. Do want flying predators.
Zombie zoo sounds horrifiying and would require new monsters. Could do.
Zombie giant snakes is an interesting bypass. Most giant critters are invertebrates, so a snake might be? idk.
biogun critters arent out of the question, but it needs to be semi-real
blindness causing ravens could work. Give them a gun with a range of 1 and make their ammo cause blindness.
These are pretty good. It seems like such a large task to put together a whole new ecosystem >.<
My own thoughts are which animals die out and which come foreward. Moose have to die. Majestic beings such as they are. Giant spiders need more umph, but invertabrates are only affected by the blob in limited fashion, which is why the zombies generally leave the insects alone.
Post by: SOLDIER First on May 12, 2016, 11:59:30 am
also hallucinations could be a status effect provided by the ravens, like the blindness ammo?
Post by: Egan_BW on May 12, 2016, 12:25:37 pm
Void ravens or something though, I could see.
Post by: pisskop on May 12, 2016, 12:37:35 pm
not zombie ravens, raven ravens (although i wasnt aware of non-zombie-raven lore anyway)Its not specifically ravens so much as a size thing. Blobs require sufficient native biomass to manipulate, and need to accumulate enough blob-mass within the critter to use it.
also hallucinations could be a status effect provided by the ravens, like the blindness ammo?
Small animals, gianted invertabrates, and the non-meat of the other invaders are no-go zones for the blobs, and so they would prefer to leave them alone for the time until they can alter the world to their tastes. Which presumably would kill most life, and those that didn't die would become like the other 'wildlife' that lives in blob-infested worlds.
Things like krecks, grackens, and blank bodies seems to exist amoungst the 3 warring factions, and things like mi-gos seem to actually be smaller factions that are constantly hostile to the major factions.
Though idk just how much of actual lovecraftian lore the devs are stealing for the mi-gos. in the books they were slavers, not sure how intelligent they are here.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 12, 2016, 12:38:14 pm
Why would raven ravens cause hallucination?http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/48860
Post by: SOLDIER First on May 12, 2016, 12:51:52 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 12, 2016, 04:29:43 pm
Spoiler: Mega-bear (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: vampire bat (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: medusa spider (click to show/hide)
Ive just taken steps to add a population to the spider pits, and Zombies are going to wait until the new scorchers are better playtested, both in vanilla and my own version.
Post by: SOLDIER First on May 12, 2016, 04:38:22 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on May 12, 2016, 04:50:22 pm
Post by: Akura on May 12, 2016, 05:03:34 pm
After a long time, decomposing zombies become "decomposed blobs", pretty much just a blob with a pile of bones it it. It spits bone shards at you.
There is a blob zombie of some kind, if I recall. Killing it causes it to split into smaller blobs.
EDIT: Built a generator in my underground base from wood frames and salvaged engine parts. Added a 7.5kw generator and a storage battery for electricity generation and storage, and a floodlight to, you know, light the basement up. Now I no longer have to rely on this silly atomic nightlight that somehow neutralizes my night vision, and I can read my mountain of books in the safety of my basement where nothing ever attacks me. The nightlight doesn't provide enough light to properly read like that.
...I did forget that exhaust ventilation is a thing, though. Luckily the smoke buildup isn't too bad, and I always wear a dust mask.
Foodwise, I've got over 100 pieces of granola and over 100 pieces of dehydrated vegetables, plus a similarly large pile of wheat, barley, and oats. I probably could have grown more sugar beets, but oh well. I have an aluminum keg and a funnel on the surface, so water is not a problem. It's the 3rd of autumn. Winter is coming.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 12, 2016, 07:43:33 pm
Post by: SOLDIER First on May 12, 2016, 09:31:04 pm
After a long time, decomposing zombies become "decomposed blobs", pretty much just a blob with a pile of bones it it. It spits bone shards at you.>no meat
There is a blob zombie of some kind, if I recall. Killing it causes it to split into smaller blobs.
EDIT: Built a generator in my underground base from wood frames and salvaged engine parts. Added a 7.5kw generator and a storage battery for electricity generation and storage, and a floodlight to, you know, light the basement up. Now I no longer have to rely on this silly atomic nightlight that somehow neutralizes my night vision, and I can read my mountain of books in the safety of my basement where nothing ever attacks me. The nightlight doesn't provide enough light to properly read like that.
...I did forget that exhaust ventilation is a thing, though. Luckily the smoke buildup isn't too bad, and I always wear a dust mask.
Foodwise, I've got over 100 pieces of granola and over 100 pieces of dehydrated vegetables, plus a similarly large pile of wheat, barley, and oats. I probably could have grown more sugar beets, but oh well. I have an aluminum keg and a funnel on the surface, so water is not a problem. It's the 3rd of autumn. Winter is coming.
Post by: pisskop on May 12, 2016, 09:56:16 pm
ive dumped an example and blank mapgen sheet here (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=12051.msg274549#msg274549).
Post by: Akura on May 13, 2016, 05:17:43 am
Spoiler: Screenshot map of my base layout (click to show/hide)
Post by: Majestic7 on May 13, 2016, 05:36:26 am
Post by: Tiruin on May 13, 2016, 05:42:42 am
Isn't that the...basement-themed map where you find a seemingly dead soldier person and a machine gun along with a lot of boxes and crates?Spoiler: Screenshot map of my base layout (click to show/hide)
Really wish the Wiki was updated with info like these. It makes for nice detail and background information.
Also I remember I asked Willfor about this but...due to my silly persistence in really wanting to edit stuff, isn't there a way to edit bionics? :X I just want to make a personal mod that doesn't let it sound like 'BODY IMPLANTS' and more like 'technological advanced weapon systems' and such. And/or just edit the descriptive details.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 13, 2016, 09:01:17 am
Post by: Blaze on May 13, 2016, 09:22:28 am
Also I remember I asked Willfor about this but...due to my silly persistence in really wanting to edit stuff, isn't there a way to edit bionics? :X I just want to make a personal mod that doesn't let it sound like 'BODY IMPLANTS' and more like 'technological advanced weapon systems' and such. And/or just edit the descriptive details.There is a bionics.json file within the data folder where you can edit simple things such as description and power cost. Editing effects will require modding source files.
Post by: Pencil_Art on May 13, 2016, 04:14:49 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 13, 2016, 04:16:56 pm
Hello, guys. I've finally stopped dying, driving around in my Cube Van, with a Military Cargo truck if I need. Any advice on how to obtain 25 plutonium cells for the Free Merchants? I also have to somehow assassinate a guy with a double-barreled shotgun and another guy with throwing knives next to him for the Old Guard.
Plutonium is military grade stuff, and uncommon at that.
You can find small amounts in atomic stuff, like night lights and lamps and minireactors in rare cars.
You can find them in rat-infested caves, and you can find them in military ammo storehouses.
Post by: Pencil_Art on May 13, 2016, 05:38:30 pm
Post by: Akura on May 13, 2016, 06:12:28 pm
Then again, the farm outpost was close to the previous character's start point... and so was a slime pit.
EDIT: I just got a message after waking up "Getting out of bed doesn't seem too hard today. You could get used to this!"
Post by: Aseaheru on May 13, 2016, 06:33:42 pm
In my experience, the game will probably show you a new farm outpost for that quest, but I dont know about a second refugee center. Dident even know that was possible.
Post by: pisskop on May 13, 2016, 07:07:41 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/WYPzUJy.png)
Well, either way, Ive added a whole home for them. Randomly spawning, a few basic templates, almost indistinguishable from a regular field.
Im a touch concerned about the sinkholes damaging vehicles, but they arent the most common things ever.
Theres currently 2 seperate locations for them to spawn, and a total of 5 surface and 2 subsurface layouts.
Theres a 'group' location, where they form small bands.
Theres a small, less burrowed, 'loner' location where small hunting parties are located.
There is loot in the b1 level 75% of the time, but theres no clear way to get there. Other than digging yourself or falling into a sinkhole.
Ive added eggsack monsters for web spiders and the trapdoor spiders. They spawn babies and a rare adult caretaker. They serve as 'queens' to the locations in that if they die the spider population there dies.
Post by: Tiruin on May 14, 2016, 12:17:46 am
Hum...in creating a personal mod, stored in the mods folder--if I create a different bionics.json file with the same bionics listed as their ID but different names or descriptors, will it override the...uh, vanilla data? :DAlso I remember I asked Willfor about this but...due to my silly persistence in really wanting to edit stuff, isn't there a way to edit bionics? :X I just want to make a personal mod that doesn't let it sound like 'BODY IMPLANTS' and more like 'technological advanced weapon systems' and such. And/or just edit the descriptive details.There is a bionics.json file within the data folder where you can edit simple things such as description and power cost. Editing effects will require modding source files.
Does anybody know if Trapdoor spiders spawn under any vanilla circumstance?I know that they are vanilla creatures and have faced them before. :P So yeah. I believe they do.
Not a match for my martial FIST though! Mwahahaaaa!
You can also find them by dismantling those...err, robots being used by Z-scientists or other robots sometimes. That's a general drop from those mechanical critters. :3Plutonium?
Plutonium is military grade stuff, and uncommon at that.
You can find small amounts in atomic stuff, like night lights and lamps and minireactors in rare cars.
You can find them in rat-infested caves, and you can find them in military ammo storehouses.
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Post by: pisskop on May 15, 2016, 05:10:25 pm
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Updated Version! (https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvhtixbkwqarr9t/PKs_Rebalance.zip?dl=0)
Its relatively unpolished with all of the specifics, such as the mutated wildlife and when they appear, but they do appear, and they are upgrades.
Im going to probably phase shock_bomblets into a new gun, and perhaps be editting down some of the other items. More animals will come, but this is a start.
In this update
- Several recipes, included deconstruction recipes for the doomy stuff.
- Updated spawn lists
- Updated item drop lists. Old, already existing drop lists have had the new items added to them. The doom armor should be a relatively rare drop everywhere.
- Scorched zombie reworking. Scorched zombies do not heal, but may continue along their own development tree. Specialist zombies may also turn into unqiue types of scorched zombies.
- mutated wildlife has begun to creep into the game. Coyotes, bears, and bats so far.
- Spider updates! About time too. Spiders are more dangerous, and trapdoor spiders have been given 2 homes to choose from.
- Zombie armor nerfs! About time too. Some zombie do less damage, and most have somewhat reduced armor levels. I do want feedback about the player's ability to play with hordes of my custom zombies, so I can further balance them.
- Squigs for fungus, fungal boils, triffid buffing, reduced triffid pops, a new triffid grove overlay, and some doom castle B1 tweaking.
- Added a rare item 'pokeball', that can trap any monster if you pass the admittedly difficult check to catch it. Things will kill you as you try to herd them into the ball, and the ball does conserve weight, meaning a 200 kilogram monster will make the ball weigh 200 kilos.
- Moose will go extinct as a wildlife species. Bears drop off dramatically, and others will be following in future updates.
- Trapdoor spider homes are in fields, and have sinkholes in them. I mention this because sinkholes damage wheels if you drive over them, and falling into a sinkhole is bad. Perception 10 or better should spot sinkholes if you are walking. They arent incredibly common (450 per map region, a pretty small number if you look at how many field tiles there are), and they might have loot in them.
- Web and Trapdoor spiders have 'Queens' now. The queens spawn as rare enemies, meaning they won't always show up, and more than 1 can show up. Killing a 'Queen', usually a large eggsack that spawns spiders, will result in the depopulation of spiders in the area. You could ignore the queen and use the spot as a meat harvesting location . . . and hopefully one day we can harvest silk.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 16, 2016, 08:05:30 am
Post by: pisskop on May 16, 2016, 07:28:31 pm
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Post by: Rivet-the-Zombie on May 16, 2016, 08:51:14 pm
What does the 'Automatic Zombie Advancement' option do? The tooltip says it makes zombies take gameplay turns, but don't they already?
It's a semi-realtime mode. It's still turn based, but stuff will still move around if you sit there staring at the screen, as turns will automatically pass every few seconds even if you're not pressing any buttons. It stops while you have a menu or interface open, so you can still 'pause' it that way if you need to think.
Post by: Lightningfalcon on May 16, 2016, 09:19:51 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on May 16, 2016, 10:14:45 pm
Post by: Lightningfalcon on May 17, 2016, 01:25:57 am
Keep the light stick anyways, they are mindbogglingly efficient when it comes to keeping things lit.Yeah I accidentally kept it on for I don't even know how long. Went from 300 charge to 248.
After getting back in to the game I've just been randoming characters instead of customizing them. Somehow it has been going really well. My best character is the one with the light staff and the awl pike, who started out as a mall cop. Spent two days stalking in the shadows killing zombies with my baton. Found a holster and a 9mm pistol, and later a holster and a hundred bullets. Probably won't kill a brute but it only takes three shots to kill shocker zombies. I eventually had to leave because I couldn't find any way to get a fire going, not having any survival skills, and I was starting to run low on water and disinfectant. I spent the past three days running around in a slowly expanding circle trying to find a way out. I found a really nice hamlet to the south that had four houses at a crossroads only a few tiles away from a public worlds facility, but I had to leave due to a fungaloid tower somewhere to the south east. It wasn't an immidiate threat, but having I'm not risking being that close. I tried going west but wherever I tried to cross there were either anti-material turrets, brutes, or lovecraftian beasts. Going to the north east only met with a swamp covered with wasps and spiders. Eventually I was able to slowly escape by going north west, south, and then west again, which is how I found the barn I'm currently in.
Spoiler: Small location spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Aseaheru on May 17, 2016, 04:27:08 am
Spoiler: Spoiler on the spoiler (click to show/hide)
Im surprised you hadent found a lighter anywhere. I always seem to wind up with a few dozen, most of which get turned into grenades with a bit of work.
Post by: Lightningfalcon on May 17, 2016, 04:57:17 am
I've found lighters now. I think that they've had their drop rate lowered some, because on all my characters I haven't found more then three or four. Used to be that I found them on every other body. I did have some signal flares and other things that I could have used to start a fire, but in a mall... wasn't going to risk it.
Post by: SOLDIER First on May 17, 2016, 06:19:58 am
Post by: Aseaheru on May 17, 2016, 06:38:56 am
Post by: pisskop on May 17, 2016, 07:54:39 am
and it still takes a few to kill zombies/secubots.
flashbangs and smokebombs still awesome
Post by: sprinkled chariot on May 17, 2016, 11:05:43 am
[][][]]]][][ [[][][]]]]][]] [][][][][][][]]]]]]][[[ , is there anything i cant do against this?
Post by: Aseaheru on May 17, 2016, 12:29:07 pm
Post by: sprinkled chariot on May 17, 2016, 01:49:17 pm
Tried newest stable version, fresh install.
Windows 10 64 bit.
Post by: BigD145 on May 17, 2016, 02:37:11 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 17, 2016, 08:03:41 pm
I found the old barn people were talking about. It was on an odd dirt trail I almost was afraid to traverse because radioactive bandits or something.
And yes, the sads are real enough. And the place was very clearly designed to not be a terrific ready-made base. The path is overgrown and the house semi-destroyed.
But man, is it well stocked. I have too much. And thats in addition to the too much I already walked there with.
Yup, good old legs carried me there, and I found an empty but running old car there. I, in a moment of supreme vindication, had some gasoline in a jar in reserve, so I was able to get it working after reading up some mechanics and using a screwdriver set. If I didnt have the set or didnt have and planned to read UTH I would have smashed off the security system.
Of course, however, the emo jerkhole in the barn didn't leave me a magizine for his gun.
Post by: Lightningfalcon on May 18, 2016, 12:15:49 am
Of course, however, the emo jerkhole in the barn didn't leave me a magizine for his gun.That asshole. I'm just glad I have three other guns that are all usable. By the time I run out of ammo for those I should have at least one magazine.
Is it possible to craft magazines? I doubt it would be that hard in real life, especially compared to some of the other items you can craft. A spring, a bit of plastic, and some metal. Might not even require a forge, just scrap metal and a hammer.
Post by: Adragis on May 18, 2016, 12:58:00 am
Post by: Akura on May 18, 2016, 04:30:25 am
Post by: Aseaheru on May 18, 2016, 07:01:51 am
Post by: Xardalas on May 18, 2016, 03:30:33 pm
I tried looking at it in debug mode but I don't have a clue what the red and green lines mean.
Post by: pisskop on May 18, 2016, 03:31:42 pm
They should help us.
You hav 4 wheels still? At least 2 steerable wheels?
Post by: Aseaheru on May 18, 2016, 03:32:03 pm
Post by: Xardalas on May 18, 2016, 03:37:30 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Have a Armored wheel at the bottom right and left side. last tile.
I have a steerable armored wheel at the front, one tile down from the front on either side.
Post by: pisskop on May 18, 2016, 03:39:55 pm
Thats a bug. If you have empty tanks of fuel in a car that uses/can recieve multiple types than you will not be driving.
Drop the gas tanks.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 18, 2016, 03:40:25 pm
Post by: Xardalas on May 18, 2016, 03:43:54 pm
Well, it was a luxury RV at one point. I just sort of stripped all the regular frames around it and replaced em with heavy duty. It had a 3x3 bedroom in the back that I just ripped off entirely. I think only the inner tiles are actually made of the regular frames to save weight.
Yeah, the gasoline tank was so I could carry some gas around for burning those acidic zombie corpses. Suppose I'll just have to chuck a jerry can or or three somewhere for that.
Post by: pisskop on May 18, 2016, 03:50:08 pm
Brilliant! <3
Yeah, the gasoline tank was so I could carry some gas around for burning those acidic zombie corpses. Suppose I'll just have to chuck a jerry can or or three somewhere for that.
Have you confirmed how much gas/items are required to torch a zed?
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 18, 2016, 03:54:29 pm
Post by: Xardalas on May 18, 2016, 03:58:25 pm
Brilliant! <3
Yeah, the gasoline tank was so I could carry some gas around for burning those acidic zombie corpses. Suppose I'll just have to chuck a jerry can or or three somewhere for that.
Have you confirmed how much gas/items are required to torch a zed?
Not yet unforunately. Normally I just toss em all into a house and burn it down. Or back when I had a bunch of landmines, I'd trap the spot where they bodies lay and just blow em to bits.
Post by: pisskop on May 18, 2016, 05:04:05 pm
I made a scorched child monster and integrated it into the core game, but we don't really have a good name for a burned zombie child who runs fast.
Here is the description
Quote
"description":"A tiny charred body, jumping and kicked and flailing around in a mockery of playground exercise. It does not need a face for you to feel bad about killing it.",
This issue right now is that its called a 'burned child zombie', which is an issue if that corpse gets burned. It becomes a 'burnt burned child zombie'
Post by: Akura on May 18, 2016, 05:06:41 pm
OhgodI'msorry.
Post by: Vattic on May 18, 2016, 06:44:24 pm
Post by: Fniff on May 18, 2016, 06:53:58 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on May 18, 2016, 07:04:35 pm
Kindling?
+1. Or, Kinderling to realy make it a painful pun (kinder is German for child).
Post by: pisskop on May 18, 2016, 07:25:47 pm
Post by: SOLDIER First on May 18, 2016, 08:46:56 pm
Hanako?why don't you sit in the corner and think about what you've done
OhgodI'msorry.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 19, 2016, 12:54:03 am
we don't really have a good name for a burned zombie child who runs fast.Cinderella?
Post by: Majestic7 on May 19, 2016, 01:29:55 am
Post by: nomoetoe on May 19, 2016, 04:09:46 am
As there is no town within my sight and I don't feel comfortable going too far away, I forage for food and after getting my survival high enough I make a stone pot so I can boil my water.
I till the ground I rebuild the broken doors and other things, at this point its day 19 early spring, I think to myself, I should probably go to a town at some point, if nothing else I should get my combat skills up a bit, there is a functioning vehicle in front of the prison but its severely lacking in gas, so I'll probably have to go on foot. it begins.
Post by: pisskop on May 19, 2016, 09:07:48 am
prisons, 90% of them, are im between cities, with nothing but road, wolves fungus, and rivers to walk through. winter is cold, eyebots are basically a regular spawn, and brutesare eberywhere.
They nerfed the cars out front at some point to not be ready drivable and you dont havd easy access to supplies.
Its doable, but you need to either have tailoring skill or luck into a havksaw/wrench or idk
once you get warm clothing you can walk to town, cooking critters you shoot with a sling.
but thats just me and my hybrid city/country mindset.
you loot cities and read/craft in the country.
ima try the prison setup. sounds hard. like almost playing a naked noskills-having hung over alcoholic in the middle of a burning building in the city at midnight hard.
Post by: ThtblovesDF on May 19, 2016, 10:13:01 am
Kindling?
+1. Or, Kinderling to realy make it a painful pun (kinder is German for child).
That would be "Kind" (Child) Kinder is more then one, like "children"... not that it matters.
Post by: SOLDIER First on May 19, 2016, 11:53:21 am
Post by: pisskop on May 19, 2016, 12:03:44 pm
Well Kindling works. Ill add a plural Kinderling.
Post by: nomoetoe on May 19, 2016, 09:23:48 pm
Well on the grand search for vitamins I met a turret, I am dead.
Oh well, now I know getting vitamins and variety diet is very important now, no more 0.01 item spawn. it'll probably take me awhile before I can survive the prison again but oh well. such is life. c:
Post by: Xardalas on May 20, 2016, 04:15:58 am
Or rather, any sort of weapon that you load with gasoline and fire it to leave trails of gas everywhere?
Would that water gun work for that purpose that you can install on your vehicle?
Post by: i2amroy on May 20, 2016, 04:31:49 am
Post by: pisskop on May 20, 2016, 05:17:04 am
for traps
gas as an ammo is tagged to ignite when fired from a gun. youd have to either shift "flame" to each gun or make a fake, crafted gas that turned into real gas when it hit the ground.
Post by: Akura on May 20, 2016, 05:43:05 am
Post by: pisskop on May 20, 2016, 05:44:31 am
too nondwarven.
we must mod!
Post by: Xardalas on May 20, 2016, 06:17:39 am
It's also possible to use a very small liquid container to dump out gasoline onto the ground.
But that gets annoying if you have to do it over a large area!
Post by: gomez on May 20, 2016, 08:31:36 am
Post by: Xardalas on May 20, 2016, 10:18:21 am
You could make a dragable vehicle with a leaky gas tank ;)
Neat! How do you make a leaky gas tank?
Post by: gomez on May 20, 2016, 10:23:39 am
Post by: pisskop on May 20, 2016, 10:37:03 am
i think i could make a gas spewer. or try to
anyone know how practical shooting gas on the gtound and lighting it w/a fkamethrower is?
Post by: Xardalas on May 20, 2016, 11:40:14 am
lol at foldable damaged gas tank.
i think i could make a gas spewer. or try to
anyone know how practical shooting gas on the gtound and lighting it w/a fkamethrower is?
That'd be neat. I was thinking about just driving my car through a town, spraying gas out the back and then lighting it off with a epxlosive arrow or something and watching the hoards burn.
Post by: pisskop on May 20, 2016, 02:57:27 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on May 20, 2016, 02:58:31 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 20, 2016, 03:11:06 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/LJ3V5Z6.png)
Theres a small issue of it having to cause damage in order to spread shrapnel made of gasoline.
Post by: pisskop on May 20, 2016, 03:30:13 pm
Id have to test out things like if loading it was actual gas affects anything or if I just make a crafting recipe consume gas (and account for the gas' weight in the final product) or if its possible to light the 'bag' by hand (itd be a weak explosion, but fire is deadly in all forms in CDDA)
but hey
Post by: Aseaheru on May 20, 2016, 03:41:41 pm
How does the throwable fire extinguisher do it(besides only affecting its tile)?
Post by: n9103 on May 20, 2016, 04:06:43 pm
anyone know how practical shooting gas on the gtound and lighting it w/a fkamethrower is?IRL or in game?
IRL, it depends on the fuel. Standard unleaded gasoline is relatively* flammable at room temp. Diesel is not.
In-game? I guess that depends on how hard it's gotten to get gas and a flame-thrower. Haven't played in ages.
*In the context of lighting it with a flamethrower, consider it easily lit.
Post by: pisskop on May 20, 2016, 04:07:39 pm
So I think it needs to be a crafted item (say some lighter charge or a hotplate. Open flame is dangerous).
I think it should either take 50-100 units of gas; either as a requisite to craft it or as ammo to 'charge' it.
When activated, it should then be able to be thrown, and have a range of 0. only the tile it lands on should be gassed.
It would preferably then evaporate. Since evaporation doesnt exist in CDDA this would preferably be a charge consumbed per turn, like a flashlight left on. The less gas, the weaker it gets.
There are issues. Like the explosions only drop 1 unit of gas per tile. And that they still hurt. And that thet gas just burns in one shot, so a significant amount is needed to create a raging fire.
Post by: pisskop on May 20, 2016, 04:08:22 pm
anyone know how practical shooting gas on the gtound and lighting it w/a fkamethrower is?IRL or in game?
IRL, it depends on the fuel. Standard unleaded gasoline is relatively* flammable at room temp. Diesel is not.
In-game? I guess that depends on how hard it's gotten to get gas and a flame-thrower. Haven't played in ages.
*In the context of lighting it with a flamethrower, consider it easily lit.
Its easy as anything to get gas. Its like the second thing I get in-game.
Flamethrowers are much harder. At least decent, not spraycan ones.
Post by: pisskop on May 20, 2016, 04:23:35 pm
Post by: Lukewarm on May 20, 2016, 07:42:26 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on May 20, 2016, 07:52:43 pm
I misread. Ouch.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 20, 2016, 08:12:30 pm
Post by: Lukewarm on May 20, 2016, 08:23:46 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 20, 2016, 10:12:40 pm
using soap and water and time to create clean clothing that gave a small but extended morale bonus. and stylish requires it but grants higher bonuses
Post by: iceball3 on May 20, 2016, 10:53:00 pm
Halp D:Why is there a morale issue at that point? The sheer charring should readily make it look very clearly un-empathetically like a puppeted corpse at this point, no?
I made a scorched child monster and integrated it into the core game, but we don't really have a good name for a burned zombie child who runs fast.
Here is the descriptionQuote"description":"A tiny charred body, jumping and kicked and flailing around in a mockery of playground exercise. It does not need a face for you to feel bad about killing it.",
This issue right now is that its called a 'burned child zombie', which is an issue if that corpse gets burned. It becomes a 'burnt burned child zombie'
I figure it'd be less jarring to see it dead on the ground by your own hand than having it still walking around and lunging at things, but the same goes for normal zombies.
Post by: pisskop on May 21, 2016, 05:51:09 am
theres an arguement to be made they cause no guilt
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 21, 2016, 06:26:08 am
Post by: chaoticag on May 21, 2016, 01:17:36 pm
Post by: BigD145 on May 21, 2016, 01:37:27 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 21, 2016, 01:52:59 pm
That means I can pop it anywhere.
In the land of CDDA, Fire is the great equalizer. The three invaders are all weak to it. And so are (N)PCs without adequate preperation.
Only robots and special organics can resist it.
Post by: Kaitol on May 21, 2016, 03:18:21 pm
So, quick question here. When upgrading between experimental versions, I just wanna copy my saves and config folders, right?
You could just the cata launcher and have it do all that crap for you.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 21, 2016, 05:00:48 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 21, 2016, 05:21:12 pm
in the lab section of cdda forums
pedit
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=11895.0
Post by: Akura on May 21, 2016, 05:29:37 pm
Why is there a morale issue at that point? The sheer charring should readily make it look very clearly un-empathetically like a puppeted corpse at this point, no?
I figure it'd be less jarring to see it dead on the ground by your own hand than having it still walking around and lunging at things, but the same goes for normal zombies.
Post by: NullForceOmega on May 21, 2016, 06:46:57 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on May 21, 2016, 07:06:44 pm
Post by: Moogie on May 22, 2016, 10:29:44 am
The only downside to it is that currently, it crashes about half the time when performing a backup, so I tend to do that by hand until it gets fixed.
Post by: Micro102 on May 22, 2016, 09:24:55 pm
Also, what is this I'm hearing about cataclysm 2?
Post by: Akura on May 22, 2016, 09:27:39 pm
It's also a pain to grind and there aren't any books that come to mind that can boost it higher
Self-Esteem for Dummies. It's fairly common in my experience.
Post by: n9103 on May 22, 2016, 10:48:38 pm
Also, what is this I'm hearing about cataclysm 2?IIRC, it's a project that Whales started work on years ago, well before he moved on from Cata 1. Can't recall hearing anything about it coming to fruition, but I haven't looked into the original branch of Cata for at least a couple years.
Post by: Orange Wizard on May 22, 2016, 10:54:30 pm
That's not a reference I was expectingWhy is there a morale issue at that point? The sheer charring should readily make it look very clearly un-empathetically like a puppeted corpse at this point, no?
I figure it'd be less jarring to see it dead on the ground by your own hand than having it still walking around and lunging at things, but the same goes for normal zombies.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 23, 2016, 12:25:15 am
Also, what is this I'm hearing about cataclysm 2?Cataclysm's original creator (http://whalesdev.tumblr.com/) is working solo to make a new version from scratch. It will almost certainly be something very different from DDA when it's done. No release date, though.
Post by: Micro102 on May 23, 2016, 12:13:14 pm
Post by: i2amroy on May 23, 2016, 01:00:04 pm
He essentially posted that he had canceled it (due to lack of time/energy), then later posted that he was still working on it occasionally, then later posted that he hadn't touched it for over a year (as of last march).Also, what is this I'm hearing about cataclysm 2?IIRC, it's a project that Whales started work on years ago, well before he moved on from Cata 1. Can't recall hearing anything about it coming to fruition, but I haven't looked into the original branch of Cata for at least a couple years.
Best case for terms of C2 would be Whales having a remarkable burst of inspiration and deciding to spend it on C2, and is able to magically focus himself on C2 for month or so, and something workably playable might come out of it. It won't be anything similar to C:DDA, and it won't be near as flexible, but it could have some unique features. And personally that's something I'd love to see; it's always cool to see a new rougelike's take on certain things.
But make no mistake in confusing it for anything that will be comparable to C:DDA, the two are on vastly different tracks, and only pulling farther apart in different directions as the huge C:DDA community of developers continues to put several weeks' worth of man-hours into developing C:DDA for every single real week that passes.
Post by: pisskop on May 23, 2016, 01:27:58 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on May 23, 2016, 01:45:30 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on May 24, 2016, 06:38:33 am
Oh yeah and thanks to all the dudes and dudettes working on the game. When I become a child-eating cannibal after the inevitable end of the world, my survival and culinarism skills will be all thanks to you. :D
Post by: pisskop on May 24, 2016, 06:40:20 am
Post by: kulik on May 24, 2016, 11:21:14 am
I had high hopes for Project zomboid. It was supposed to captured couple of your last days of desperate struggle in the zombie apocalypse. Until fans had their say and now we have farming, fishing, house building and shit. Does the game still starts with the "This is how you died..." sentence? Because now its more like "This is how you build your farmhouse and lived for years util you got bored...".
Sorry for the rant.
Post by: Egan_BW on May 24, 2016, 11:30:08 am
People just like building stuff, and there's not much you can do about that.
Post by: pisskop on May 24, 2016, 11:48:43 am
In fact, my current buddy just finished molding his cargo truck into his signiture mobile base. Its 1x1 longer, has spikes, and has all the commodities of a stationary base save the space to store stuff.
Anywho, I quit those kind of characters usually. This one is going to let me test how later-game critters are, so he stays for now.. I dont mind living after the apocalypse, and I even plan for people doing so within my mod. But I get bored of it myself.
Somebody told me that they were happy that they ran into a trapdoor spider lair. It blew off their tires and they skidded to a stop. Getting out of the car, a single spider popped up. He ran over to it in leather jacket and iron greaves. Then the rest of them popped out to eat him.
That made me happy. Deaths like that make me happy. Deaths like that are why I have scorched shockers who look like normal ones. Check their description to see the difference. Death like that is why I added the doom faction to begin with. Deaths like that are why I nerf the frequency of special infected.
Post by: pisskop on May 24, 2016, 04:56:14 pm
I gave one a back, dex, and tele one and he only seems to recieve the strong back.
Post by: Mephansteras on May 24, 2016, 09:12:02 pm
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Post by: Mephansteras on May 24, 2016, 09:22:54 pm
Post by: nomoetoe on May 25, 2016, 04:36:23 am
I escape the prison and find a functioning motorcycle, and its in fairly good condition all in yellow or better.
After a quick refilling of the gas and traveling on the road I find a farm and decide to live here since the prison isn't exactly hospitable due to many brutes and fungaloids.
I was using debug to learn how good the various foods I ate were for my health, and I learned that rhubarb is amazing. I was down to -1 health and 8 health modifier but, by the power of rhubarb I have been raised to health 4 and health modifier 25! rhubarb is glorious.
Post by: chaoticag on May 25, 2016, 06:49:40 am
Anybody know of a fix for the screen going all black if you tab out when in fullscreen mode?Not sure about fullscreen, but I get black screens too when my computer monitor goes on sorta standby. I forget the technical term. Best I figured out is to save the game and reload it.
Post by: Sheb on May 25, 2016, 07:01:42 am
Post by: pisskop on May 25, 2016, 07:20:14 am
While you could have a current health of 100, if your modifier is -50 its all going to drain. health modifer tries to equalize at zero
health modifier is increased by eating 'healthy' and not getting too tired and just being sensible.
tea and rhubarb are good for health
shorter answer: modifier is hidden longterm health, while health is your current health and use for most health checks. when the game tries to give you the flu it checks health. when you regen hp while sleeping it checks health
Post by: Orange Wizard on May 25, 2016, 07:23:50 am
Post by: TempAcc on May 25, 2016, 09:30:37 am
Anyway, the health modifier is why you should carry vitamins with you and eat them a few times a in-game day. Vitamins are the easiest ways to increase your health modifier, except maybe for a royal jelly, which is why you should hoard royal jellies.
Post by: chaoticag on May 25, 2016, 10:16:04 am
Post by: BigD145 on May 25, 2016, 12:38:36 pm
Some sort of health monitoring device would be nice. Maybe it could be a mod you can attach to computers or something. Or just have it as a wristband/smartwatch. Not that I think smartwatches are actually good at it, but it's something currently going on right now in our world, and they've got nuclear powered cars out in magical New England.
FitBitch
It's constantly bitching about how unfit you are, even if you're actually pretty healthy.
It could also be a toy dog that constantly hounds you.
Post by: pisskop on May 25, 2016, 01:44:36 pm
Or if it isnt its based on health. And if youve spent the last 8 hours sleeping your current health will be close to the modifer's level.
You'll know if you are really unhealthy if you stop generating so much HP while sleeping. But the redtext itself might only mean -10 or -5 health
Post by: Descan on May 25, 2016, 02:19:34 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on May 25, 2016, 04:07:29 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 25, 2016, 04:55:20 pm
Could even be in tiers:
a basic health watch that gives you a general idea of your health kinda like what you get when you wake up now, but viewable anytime while you have it handy. Maybe a bit finer than the wakeup messages, but not by much.
A bit of a kick to that is that it takes wounds into account, giving you a lower health reading than you actually have if you have a few wounds for example, being more of an athletic fitness watch more than an actual medical tool. Such things could be found rarely on zombies, or in houses, kinda like an alternative to a game watch.
Next would be some kind of portable medical scanner. Think like a star trek medical tricorder but more low tech. Designed to streamline medical exams in the near future. Takes a small blood sample (+1 pain on use) and then gives detailed information based on first aid skill. At 0 skill it only tells you if you have a cold, flu, fungal or parasite infection, and always says there is an 'unknown blood contaminant'. Making the watch more useful to the untrained. But at 1-3 skill it works similar to the watch, giving the character enough information for a general health assessment, unmodified by wounds. and at 4 first aid and above it gives you the actual numerical value for your current health. Such tools would only be found in doctors offices, and hospitals. Maybe rarely in labs and ambulances.
Finally would be a medical diagnosis system. A somewhat bulky computer with testing equipment built in. Completely unusable for anyone with 0 skill. Works similarly to the portable medical scanner at first aid 1-3, maybe with finer detail. But at 4 and above it gives you all the information you need to know about your health, current health level, as well as your current baseline health. At even higher levels it could even treat minor illnesses like the cold or flu. Not removing them entirely, but acting like cough medicine at the cost of some extra battery power. Such things would only be found in hospitals, and the more technical lab finales. And while small enough to be man portable, it would be large enough to be impractical to lug around everywhere.
...ok that got bigger than I expected. tl;dr I feel items to give us finer health details would be welcome, and may even give us more reason to check out hospitals, which currently only seem mildly useful in niche situations, like yer a computer whiz with a broken arm and for some reason can't make a splint.
Post by: sprinkled chariot on May 25, 2016, 04:59:02 pm
Post by: BigD145 on May 25, 2016, 05:03:06 pm
Step 2: Play the game
This is the advice anyone that's been here awhile will give you.
Post by: Gentlefish on May 25, 2016, 05:04:46 pm
Welp. Stable release shows [[[]][][][][ in each place, where should be text. :-\
Old stable, new stable, or current release? ?? That's freakin' weird that the old stable would break like that so suddenly. Maybe it's a language issue?
In other news, I agree with the "no hidden values" folks. Plus that "health" is out-dated now that there's vitamins you gotta keep track of now. It's a roguelike, not a zombie survival sim.
Post by: sprinkled chariot on May 25, 2016, 05:08:54 pm
Step 1: Use Experimentals
Step 2: Play the game
This is the advice anyone that's been here awhile will give you.
I used experimentals first, then was told, that it is because of experimentals and I should totally use stable release.
Latest stable was used huh.
Ehm, used to play cataclysm on previous computer, it had windows with russian language, but everything worked fine there.
Post by: Akura on May 25, 2016, 05:12:56 pm
In other news, I agree with the "no hidden values" folks. Plus that "health" is out-dated now that there's vitamins you gotta keep track of now. It's a roguelike, not a zombie survival sim.Wait, so there's stats in place to require you to eat a varied diet and not just "health" food?
Post by: pisskop on May 25, 2016, 05:14:33 pm
Theres vitamins and mineral contents assigned to food groups now, so what a foodstuff is made out of will affect what earthcrap it has in it.
too much or too little of any one rock and your body gets cranky.
Post by: Greiger on May 25, 2016, 05:22:21 pm
I vaguely recall someone else mentioning the [][][[[][][] bug a while back, I think it was determined to have something to do with windows 10?
Post by: BigD145 on May 25, 2016, 05:49:58 pm
Step 1: Use Experimentals
Step 2: Play the game
This is the advice anyone that's been here awhile will give you.
I used experimentals first, then was told, that it is because of experimentals and I should totally use stable release.
Latest stable was used huh.
Ehm, used to play cataclysm on previous computer, it had windows with russian language, but everything worked fine there.
Stable is full of old bugs and not stable at all. Experimental gets bugs fixed rather quickly. Use experimental.
Post by: pisskop on May 25, 2016, 07:07:19 pm
Basically you start tying together glass flasks or using bigger bottles and the greater liquid means more acid.
Its a nerf of acidbombs (which Id swear by), and a volume 4 acidbomb is needed to do what a size 2 could in the base game.
But, it is somewhat more realistic and it allows players to make small or large bombs. And the ones in the game right now are currently bugged to always produce acid and never shut off.
Heres what I have:
Blacklisted acidbombs from the mod, and added 4 new ones.
Sizes 1-4
Requires progressively more string, and some rags to make sure the glasses stay stopped and dont break from clinking together.
size micro, small, medium, large.
size micro does 1 tile of a little acid.
sizes small, med, large do more acid, culminating with large doing normal acid.
This is effectively a nerf of acidbombs, because to get the same bang for your buck you need a bomb 2ce as large, but its certainly more plausible than half a liter of acid making a 3 meter by 3 meter pool of thick acid.
Also, also also also, you can use micro bombs to place 1 tile of weak/moderate acid. NPCs could be given these as grenades. IDK if they use thrown weapons. I could test this. Or perhaps make a basic gun/lobby tool for them or you.
I want to do something with the 3L glasses and acid. The issue being the size and weight. And that, well, it wouldnt spread as well as a 1 liter bottle. or 4 glass flasks tied together.
pedit:
Going from the top left and going clockwise:
micro acidbomb, small acidbomb, medium acidbomb, large acdibomb. On the bottom is the everlasting acidbomb in the game currently.
(http://i.imgur.com/A4VGoAt.png)
Yes? No? Would you accept this as a change?
pedit:
to clarify more.
I made this with the intention of using it for my mod, but Im tempted to push it into the core game. So i wanted opinions of if it would be a suitable replacement for the old hardcoded method we currently use.
Post by: nomoetoe on May 26, 2016, 12:58:53 am
I also saw a total of three labs, I probably won't be visiting those for a long time. After scouting the northern part of the last road in the area I finally find a town that is on the other side of the river, by the river is a school so I might want to clear that out, that wouldn't be too much of a problem if it wasn't for the shocker brute, it's presence certainly makes things more interesting. Not sure where that southern part of that road goes, I might have to find out at some point, but not yet.
For now I have other things planned.
Post by: Micro102 on May 26, 2016, 01:29:10 am
Post by: Gentlefish on May 26, 2016, 01:59:06 am
I, personally, have set up in a 2-story brick house with basement :D
Post by: Mephansteras on May 26, 2016, 02:10:14 am
Post by: Gentlefish on May 26, 2016, 02:15:08 am
Post by: Micro102 on May 26, 2016, 04:56:07 am
I, personally, have set up in a 2-story brick house with basement :D
I've avoided Z-levels. It becomes a problem when you want to charge solar panels and all your crafting stuff and bed are on a different floor. Lots of wasted time.
Post by: Kaitol on May 26, 2016, 11:14:22 am
Post by: Aseaheru on May 26, 2016, 11:46:16 am
Post by: Aseaheru on May 26, 2016, 12:34:45 pm
But, yes. More basements needed.
Post by: nomoetoe on May 26, 2016, 11:51:46 pm
After reading the book and getting some very much needed sustenance and rest I begin the trek into the town for a night raid to find what I need, luckily for me I was able to get a wrench and a welder along with a few other useful things and escaped the town in one piece. After finding a vehicle with replacement tires I went over to the now broken motorcycle and pounded on it with my quarterstaff until all that was left was the box in the back, I put the tires in the box and I go to the car and put on the wheels. Glorious! I now have a car, which I feel much safer riding in then on a motorcycle.
edit: RIP Maria day 70 spring year 1, you died in a car explosion, you never got to harvest your crops. You will be missed.
Post by: Gentlefish on May 27, 2016, 02:51:59 am
Post by: Aseaheru on May 27, 2016, 01:33:24 pm
Post by: gomez on May 27, 2016, 01:55:37 pm
As I was swapping out the battery from the pickup to the RV a big spider appeared right next to me. I ran into the pickup truck but the spider followed me inside, so I ran out the other side and mangaged to close the door just in time. I then ran round the back of the pickup to the otherside and closed the door, trapping the spider inside.
Just hope I don't forget there is a spider inside if I ever come back for it.
Post by: Rilder on May 27, 2016, 02:13:59 pm
Post by: BigD145 on May 27, 2016, 03:18:46 pm
The spider promptly learns to drive and runs you down.
If a human can't drive effectively without years (driving skill is so damn sloooooow) of practice, what makes you think a spider can do better in 2 minutes?
Post by: pisskop on May 27, 2016, 03:23:46 pm
Quote
Yes? No? Would you accept this as a change?
Yes. The answer is looking like its yes.
Post by: IcyTea31 on May 27, 2016, 03:43:15 pm
Eight eyes. Eight legs. One brain. A spider has the awareness of four humans and the agility of two. All vehicles in C:DDA seem to be automatic transmission and have cruise control. I'm sure it could figure out the technique well enough to run someone over pretty fast.The spider promptly learns to drive and runs you down.
If a human can't drive effectively without years (driving skill is so damn sloooooow) of practice, what makes you think a spider can do better in 2 minutes?
May Armok be merciful and allow us quick deaths by our new arachnid overlords.
Post by: Gentlefish on May 27, 2016, 04:23:09 pm
So I found a battered pickup truck and was driving it back to my base when I came across a nice RV. I decided to take the RV instead, but it had no battery charge.
As I was swapping out the battery from the pickup to the RV a big spider appeared right next to me. I ran into the pickup truck but the spider followed me inside, so I ran out the other side and mangaged to close the door just in time. I then ran round the back of the pickup to the otherside and closed the door, trapping the spider inside.
Just hope I don't forget there is a spider inside if I ever come back for it.
Good god, I forgot I was in the C:DDA thread for a second :O
Post by: Azated on May 28, 2016, 07:04:53 am
Post by: pisskop on May 28, 2016, 07:08:50 am
On the topic of vehicles (which is about 70% of the reason I play the game) is there any way to disable them spawning, or at least limit them in some way? I can usually get a working vehicle within the first day, and more than once it's been a tank or a luxury RV. I'd like to have to build a vehicle from scratch out of wood or scrap metal, or use parts salvaged from mostly destroyed wreckages, instead of finding a fully intact truck with the only damage being a scratched storage box.Not afaik.
But, zombies have shown markedly more able to spread out in any area and destroy vehicles enough to disable them without exploding the gas tank. Theyre getting better at horde pathing and not killing themselves and being generally a problem.
Post by: Orange Wizard on May 28, 2016, 07:40:57 am
But, zombies have shown markedly more able to spread out in any area and destroy vehicles enough to disable them without exploding the gas tank. Theyre getting better at horde pathing and not killing themselves and being generally a problem.I dunno, having zombies acting intelligently is kinda unsettling. Are they going to work out how to open doors next?
Post by: heydude6 on May 28, 2016, 10:28:05 am
Being able to tune vehicle spawns would be pretty great actually.I hope not.But, zombies have shown markedly more able to spread out in any area and destroy vehicles enough to disable them without exploding the gas tank. Theyre getting better at horde pathing and not killing themselves and being generally a problem.I dunno, having zombies acting intelligently is kinda unsettling. Are they going to work out how to open doors next?
Anyway, its been a long time since I last followed this thread so I have a question, did you guys fix the windows 10 incompatibility bug yet?
Post by: Egan_BW on May 28, 2016, 12:49:45 pm
Good god, I forgot I was in the C:DDA thread for a second :OThis happens to me semi-frequently, and always serve to make Real Life seem a bit more awesome. :D
Post by: Aseaheru on May 28, 2016, 01:32:27 pm
Anyway, its been a long time since I last followed this thread so I have a question, did you guys fix the windows 10 incompatibility bug yet?The what?
Post by: BigD145 on May 28, 2016, 02:17:28 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 28, 2016, 02:23:34 pm
Post by: BigD145 on May 28, 2016, 02:36:11 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on May 28, 2016, 03:57:29 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 30, 2016, 09:22:13 am
Spoiler: after you sever the flesh from the electronics with a knife/sword (click to show/hide)
Post by: pisskop on May 30, 2016, 05:45:05 pm
Im trying to work out a viable, if not vague process for taking the poison out of triffid fungal fighter stabbys.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ive been stymied for a general process. Right now its using a hammer and a knife to cut up the needle, then water pressure to draw it out, then electricty to purify the water/mixture.
Post by: Gentlefish on May 30, 2016, 05:53:59 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 30, 2016, 06:00:21 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on May 30, 2016, 06:05:15 pm
Post by: Kaje on May 31, 2016, 01:51:46 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 31, 2016, 01:53:15 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed
Purple ones got merged into the game, red ones didn't
Post by: Greiger on May 31, 2016, 06:31:31 pm
Most everything else though I don't have much trouble with myself.
Post by: gomez on June 01, 2016, 07:37:22 am
Post by: pisskop on June 01, 2016, 11:13:32 am
a -> a -> [key] = fix crap
a -> c -> [key] = solder
a -> w -> [numpad] = fire
a -> f = flashlight
Post by: Azated on June 01, 2016, 12:43:32 pm
a = crowbar until I need to use a sewing kit
t = lighter/matches
f = flashlight
Post by: debvon on June 02, 2016, 12:02:00 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pencil_Art on June 02, 2016, 12:14:54 am
Post by: Aseaheru on June 02, 2016, 12:23:23 am
Post by: chaoticag on June 02, 2016, 03:22:35 am
I do the same, makes it much easierHere's a fun thing I stumbled into actually. Hit % then you get a list of things you can do with the items in your inventory. I know the tailoring kit is there, but I forget the hotkey for it. You can also use it to take vitamins with v.
a = crowbar until I need to use a sewing kit
t = lighter/matches
f = flashlight
Post by: pisskop on June 02, 2016, 03:59:08 am
asprin is n
towel is t
welder is Q
water is E
booze is W
bandage is b
disinfectant is B
sewing kit is A
tailor is a
tazer is x
cutting is j
Post by: Gentlefish on June 02, 2016, 03:56:38 pm
sewing kit is A
tailor is a
Why do you need both
Post by: pisskop on June 02, 2016, 03:57:36 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on June 02, 2016, 04:01:45 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 02, 2016, 04:02:09 pm
hey, anyone else notice that you cant do 'advanced keypresses' now that we can see what happens in between our turns?
Like, I cant tell the game to go into the car, close the door, get into the driver's seat, and start the car before the game processes you getting in?
Post by: i2amroy on June 02, 2016, 05:07:07 pm
hey, anyone else notice that you cant do 'advanced keypresses' now that we can see what happens in between our turns?Can you give an exact before/after example of the problem you are having? Because I honestly have no idea what the "advanced kepresses" that you are talking about are (or why the sort of behavior you currently seem to be talking about would ever be intended).
Like, I cant tell the game to go into the car, close the door, get into the driver's seat, and start the car before the game processes you getting in?
Post by: pisskop on June 02, 2016, 05:13:42 pm
Say, for example I want to grab a sewing kit off the floor and use it to repair my sleeveless duster (m).
I can, in short order, press
(e) (right) (a) to pick it up
While the game is processing this Im already pressing
(a) (a) (m)
to attempt repairs. And I press
(down) (enter)
to make it perform until fortified.
But the game isnt on the repair menu yet. Ive entered these commands in advance and the game honors them. Or did.
So, I gather, that by changing how the game processed turns, theyve changed whatewver allowed me to press these keys before the proper menus came up and they processed.
Another example is when I would run into cars. I had a habit of (c)losing doors behind me, so no zombies could follow. I would enter the car, and before the gamehad finished processing completely I could press (c) and then a direction and then shift6 to grab the controls. All in one continuous string while the game was still trying to close the door.
Essentially I was faster than the game, and the game would catch up. But now, it doesnt. I try to close the door ahead of time, and instead the game paths me into the doorframe, leaving me quite vulnerable. It has little issue processing the movements ahead of time, but the command to close, open, or examine doesnt process. And I climb on the counter instead of checking the food on it.
Post by: i2amroy on June 02, 2016, 05:33:32 pm
That said if what you are saying is true it has nothing to do with you being able to let you see what's happening between your turns. Literally all that PR did was add a single redraw of the game screen/UI in a specialized case (that of you not having any moves to burn that tick), which as far as I can tell is a totally separate bit of code from the part that actually handles inputs.
Post by: pisskop on June 02, 2016, 05:49:39 pm
i type fast i tells you!
whether its my laptop or not, its affecting how i mechanically play the game. its like an itch i cant scratch
Post by: Azated on June 02, 2016, 07:02:54 pm
It felt like I was missing keypresses because some actions wouldn't happen. I'd try to open my inventory, light a molotov, and throw it, but instead I'd end up activating whatever was bound to 't', which was either a lighter, matches, or a some kind of food item. It actually got me killed several times before I figured out what was happening and started to slow down my commands.
EDIT: I've also noticed an almost imperceptible delay while moving sometimes. I couldn't say how long the delay is because it's less than a second, but I can definitely notice it far more compared to the older version.
Post by: i2amroy on June 02, 2016, 11:07:00 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 04, 2016, 01:18:31 pm
Speaking of things, why is this?
(http://i.imgur.com/0mXgGAj.png)
Why? I knew there were a lot of them, but when I looted the store and checked via flashlight there were easily 100 of them. And then, upon further looking, the whole town's here.
It takes creeper hub to get this kind of density usually.
Post by: jocan2003 on June 04, 2016, 05:41:41 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on June 04, 2016, 09:59:10 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 05, 2016, 01:11:12 am
I still can't work out if the 'jackhammers can't break reinforced glass' thing is a bug or is intended behaviour. I noticed someone had reported it on the Cata forums, but it had been ignored.I think it's a "reinforced glass has a bunch of special cases around it from way back in the days of whalesdev and nobody wants to try to figure out how to keep the entire game from potentially breaking when you break the glass."
I'm not a coder so this is speculation of course, but that tends to be the answer in my experience when it comes to interactions with parts of the game that are old as the hills. Pretty much what I'm guessing is the same reason why highways stopped spawning, and nobody has fixed it for at least a year. Probably doesn't help that highways were kinda crappy anyway and were laid out in nonsensical ways.
Post by: pisskop on June 05, 2016, 12:48:27 pm
-1.5x spawns w wanderers and static
-My mod, pks rebalancing, which does prioritize normie zoms over specials, which means more Zs spawn for less consumed spawn points
-I debugged all vision in to show this because i saw 100+ of them in the dark. its balls30 or thereabouts
-you can see a turret line, or what was turrets, as an aggrovating factor
-2 maptiles south, argueably on the border of the bubble, is a firehouse I spent 90 minutes cleaning out
Post by: Tawa on June 05, 2016, 01:52:46 pm
Post by: Akura on June 05, 2016, 04:11:29 pm
I'm not sure why that's happening, but it does remind me, did they fix the coffee-shop spawns bug? I'm playing on a relatively old experimental and part of the reason I stopped playing was because early-game looting is impossible because any town that has a coffee shop in it is a deathtrap.
Well shit, zed's gotta get his kaffa.
Bonus fact: Kaffa is the town believed to be the first site where the Black Plague entered Europe.
Another bonus fact: In the Shantae series, zombies can retain their sanity either by eating brains or drinking coffee. Many prefer coffee since it doesn't involve murdering their friends.
Post by: Greiger on June 08, 2016, 12:51:11 am
Not sure why jackhammers don't work on them then. Pretty sure you can break the walls around most of them. It's pretty much a case where if the door is make of super adamantine/titanium alloy you just smash down the plywood wall next to the door instead.
Post by: pisskop on June 08, 2016, 07:37:40 am
Post by: pisskop on June 08, 2016, 08:23:42 am
I have some items and locations and things to do, but otherwise it should be okay.
\o/ A winner is me.
Post by: blazing glory on June 11, 2016, 10:39:40 pm
Never mind I am blind.
Post by: Kaitol on June 15, 2016, 12:59:07 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 15, 2016, 01:08:28 pm
Post by: Kaitol on June 15, 2016, 01:13:24 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 15, 2016, 01:22:32 pm
Post by: Blaze on June 15, 2016, 02:52:28 pm
If it's the updated one, I'll have it out as soon as work is over.
Post by: Aseaheru on June 16, 2016, 12:51:48 am
Post by: pisskop on June 16, 2016, 01:48:27 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on June 16, 2016, 01:55:50 pm
Post by: Kaitol on June 22, 2016, 01:10:38 pm
Edit: While I'm posting, might as well ask, is there a way to clean clothes now that all zoombie clothes are filthy and give negative morale to everyone? Tried toilet water and/or a bar of soap, but couldn't figure it out.
Post by: Aseaheru on June 22, 2016, 01:35:03 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 22, 2016, 02:41:06 pm
Edit: While I'm posting, might as well ask, is there a way to clean clothes now that all zoombie clothes are filthy and give negative morale to everyone? Tried toilet water and/or a bar of soap, but couldn't figure it out.
You need to make a washboard and have
EDIT: A more recent look at the issues tracker seems to indicate that it does not necessarily need to be a map source, it just requires an excessive amount, more than you'd usually find in one container.
I like the feature myself, I kinda already tried to avoid wearing zombie clothes as a little mini RP and I like that I can take squeamish now to enforce it. Unfortunately it seems there are a lot of issues with it, morale oddities, being able to clean filthy clothes with sewer water, and other such things. Last I took a glance at the issues tracker it seems like the feature may be cut soon.
Post by: Micro102 on June 22, 2016, 09:06:34 pm
Well, they already have storage spaces... But I kinda wish belts could be used to hold something, and that they where more prevalent. Also, suspenders.
Can't you hang various things onto belts? Like a hammer or hatchet?
Post by: Aseaheru on June 23, 2016, 01:36:17 am
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Post by: iceball3 on June 24, 2016, 01:19:01 pm
Sorry for the dual posting, but I just died to the cheesiest cheese death I have yet to find. Youknow how when overloaded you are slow? You know how wasps are fast? Well, I was overloaded, a wasp shoes up, and thanks to my horrible rate of movement it took me from full health to nothing in three limbs before I died, without my getting to act once.Probably a good idea to put all your stuff in shopping carts instead! I can imagine it'd be hard to fight back against a wasp while your whole body is trapped beneath a pile of objects :P
Especially considering you hadn't been wearing anything that could've stopped some of those punctures from actually hitting you.
Going slow enough for a wasp to 100 to 0 you in a single turn cycle means you're waaaay too overloaded to begin with, yeah?
Post by: Aseaheru on June 24, 2016, 01:40:20 pm
And yes, far too overloaded. Something like 300 lb extra weight.
Post by: Kaitol on June 24, 2016, 04:38:13 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on June 26, 2016, 09:43:43 pm
Post by: Not good with names on June 26, 2016, 09:56:24 pm
Post by: Chattox on July 03, 2016, 06:38:11 am
I notice the stable and experimental builds are over a year apart. Howcome there hasn't been a stable release in so long? How much has changed in the experimental from 0.C?
Thanks!
Post by: pisskop on July 03, 2016, 06:47:26 am
Only toolbelts, survivor belts and firefighter belts can hold, or even do, anything.Leather belts can hold small things.
But the only clippable thing that is size 2 and under 500g is a sling or slingshot. They wont even hold a hammer, which is 600kg. So you can put a sling or slingshot into your trousers.
Yea, more things with the clippable tag would be nice.
Coming back to this after a long-ass time away.
I notice the stable and experimental builds are over a year apart. Howcome there hasn't been a stable release in so long? How much has changed in the experimental from 0.C?
Thanks!
Theres a list of milestones they set out to complete before they release a stable version. That list is long and not finished. They also have so many new features being made up right now, like 3D, filthy clothing, evolutions, nerfs to OP stuff, and a whole slew of new buildings and building types. Over 20 kinds of house these days, and actual neighborhoods/downtowns instead of everything mismashed
Post by: Chattox on July 03, 2016, 07:29:20 am
Theres a list of milestones they set out to complete before they release a stable version. That list is long and not finished. They also have so many new features being made up right now, like 3D, filthy clothing, evolutions, nerfs to OP stuff, and a whole slew of new buildings and building types. Over 20 kinds of house these days, and actual neighborhoods/downtowns instead of everything mismashed
It sounds like a very very different game from when I last played; now I'm excited. :P
Is there any particular experimental version I should grab, or just get the latest one?
Post by: Tawa on July 03, 2016, 11:41:22 am
Post by: George_Chickens on July 05, 2016, 12:35:04 pm
Post by: pisskop on July 05, 2016, 12:38:24 pm
A bit over 25%
Post by: BigD145 on July 05, 2016, 05:29:33 pm
Post by: Akura on July 05, 2016, 07:48:53 pm
EDIT: And speaking of driving, this Beetle seems to lasting a very suspicious amount of time on 0% gas. Can fuel meters be broken, is that a thing now?
Don't Beetles in real life get crazy gas mileage?
Post by: BigD145 on July 05, 2016, 08:31:10 pm
Not moving at all? Sounds like a rounding number issue. Couldn't tell you for sure. Sounds like a weird issue.
Post by: Greiger on July 05, 2016, 08:49:04 pm
So less sudden unexplained U turns, more taking 6 turns to make a 90 degree turn you thought you could do in 3 and wedging your car in a forest.
I have noticed that odd extra time behavior while driving too though, It seems most noticeable when doing minor adjustment turns and not so much big 90 degree ones.
Post by: pisskop on July 06, 2016, 09:33:51 am
driving skill makes turning take longer and may may you turn too far
Post by: Kaitol on July 06, 2016, 10:09:55 pm
On the plus side, free combat xp's!
(there are ways around this, but still, it is a bit silly. Might want to give their ability a notable cooldown or something)
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 07, 2016, 12:29:15 am
Post by: Kaitol on July 07, 2016, 12:39:42 am
Like I said, there are ways around it. It's just a rather silly thing that can crop up rarely.
Post by: Egan_BW on July 07, 2016, 12:52:35 am
Post by: pisskop on July 07, 2016, 04:24:48 am
Post by: Kaitol on July 07, 2016, 01:50:35 pm
Might I suggest making robots only have a chance to explode when they die, and/or reducing the radius of the explosion? Unless they're purposely rigged to blow on being disabled. In which case maybe they should say they're self destructing and give a countdown (most were designed to work with friendly soldiers and in civilian areas after all)
Post by: ZeroGravitas on July 07, 2016, 03:31:27 pm
I find it really distracting while trying to drive - never had a problem in the old system, even when I'm zooming along at high speeds with low driving skill, but these weird time-skip turns are completely throwing me off. Think I'm gonna be traveling on foot until it's fixed.
Kanye West has the solution for the new system.
I think it's fine. Just takes a little more getting used to, and more caution.
Post by: pisskop on July 07, 2016, 07:15:53 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/17601#issuecomment-231242450
Post by: Greiger on July 07, 2016, 08:25:33 pm
Think of it more as a first time driver turning the wheel and shuffling their hands along the steering wheel to turn. While an experienced driver can quickly turn by releasing one hand and doing a sorta leapfrog motion on the wheel. The faster turning of the wheel equates to more turn actions being doable within a single 100 heartbeats.
Even higher driving skill likely gets even tighter turning by assuming things like a professional driver doing U turns with skilled handbrake useage without the player having to actually use the handbrake.
Post by: Kaitol on July 11, 2016, 02:03:27 pm
Think acid may be a bit too lethal. I'd suggest adding more pain, but little actual damage. As it is, my character had two legs melted half off by random small splashes of acid, but only took 5 pain.
Post by: pisskop on July 11, 2016, 03:03:52 pm
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Post by: SharpKris on July 13, 2016, 03:40:11 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on July 13, 2016, 03:53:50 pm
Its in the same tile as the camp, right?
Post by: Arcvasti on July 13, 2016, 06:12:05 pm
Post by: Sergius on July 15, 2016, 10:38:03 am
Post by: Kaitol on July 20, 2016, 07:07:10 pm
Post by: pisskop on July 20, 2016, 07:09:54 pm
Even being fireproof mycus doesnt make you any more tolerant of heat.
There is no protection for heat damage, cryo damage, or true damage for the player. Or NPCs or monsters, but I dont think any of them can even suffer from heat/cold unless you mod in a weapon or something that does those.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 20, 2016, 08:04:28 pm
Post by: Kaitol on July 21, 2016, 02:33:55 am
I'd almost be tempted to try and start a movement to update the wiki, if I had more free time and the ability to read the game's code.
Post by: pisskop on July 22, 2016, 10:50:14 am
Which is fine, except that it gains 1 hp for every volume it deletes.
Which, again, isnt a game breaker. Except that you know how zombies will street fighter a car? the gas tank can ignite, kill all the zombies and attract more to it with the pretty light and noise. Then, they die as they burn.
So this monster was burning to death by its own aggressive stupidity, reviving as a much more insidious monster that could suck up inorganic material and get stronger, and then eating the corpses of his comrades and the steel of the car. have you ever seen a properly smashed car? hundreds of steel. And each corpse is 200 volume, meaning it gained 200 health per body.
Somebody on the forum told me they killed one. They had to take breaks to cook, eat, and sleep.
Its fixed now, and wasnt entirely common, but still
Post by: Kaitol on July 27, 2016, 09:23:22 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on July 27, 2016, 09:50:43 pm
Post by: SharpKris on July 28, 2016, 01:39:32 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 28, 2016, 03:27:45 am
Went down a set of stairs, game warned me it was hot and asked if I really wanted to do that. Decided to check it out anyway, thinking I could just go back up if it was anything too bad.
It was magma. It was full of magma. And there was no stairs. Welp. I hope I can find the shopping cart full of loot I left behind when I went down when I make a new character.
Post by: pisskop on July 28, 2016, 06:53:59 am
And i have a few buildings im kind of betaing. such as a jsonized farm and an orchard.
the forum dl amd the coregame version are different
Post by: Kaitol on July 29, 2016, 01:01:31 am
Post by: martinuzz on July 29, 2016, 04:25:05 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 29, 2016, 04:59:59 am
Post by: i2amroy on July 29, 2016, 10:50:05 am
Post by: pisskop on July 29, 2016, 02:39:08 pm
So. I got hit by some fire from a fire breathing young ant queen (Why fire!?) and my holster got instantly destroyed. So I picked up my tec-9, and my drop leg pouches then spontaneously combusted, causing items to fall out of my inventory. Except they didn't, they just vanished into the aether. One of them was my tec-9 which I had just picked up. Oh, also my backpack and boots say burnt despite being at reinforced durability. So uhh, yeah. fire is being weird with items.You dont like fire breathing ants?
I dont like how clothing evaporates, i think theres a fix for that in the pipes.
Post by: Kaitol on July 29, 2016, 07:34:15 pm
Post by: pisskop on July 30, 2016, 03:32:02 am
I remember rivtch short shotguns used to be both commoj and small enough to fit into ankle holsters
Post by: Rince Wind on July 30, 2016, 06:46:33 am
Post by: spümpkin on July 30, 2016, 07:14:12 pm
A. A strategy for killing the turret at the door?
or
B. Another way of getting mutagen/mutagen recipes/mutations easily?
Post by: pisskop on July 30, 2016, 07:58:42 pm
a few pipe bombs too.
a teleorter can get you out
sometimes labs will intersect sewers
throwing several manhacks at it to tie it down could work.
hell, even a secubot will go down to 3 or 4 good hits with a bashy weapon.
some people also grind up skills for a breakout
Post by: spümpkin on July 30, 2016, 09:34:41 pm
Although, that's mostly a horrible idea due to the fact that I would not be able to get in that range of the turret without being ripped to shreds.
On the bright side, spawned in a lab with almost no enemies, and have been just reading and developing mutations. Biggest issue as of now is food, but this lab is an ass to navigate.
EDIT: Nevermind! I vanquished the turret by huddling in one of the rooms beside it, regaining my health, and then charging at it with my MBR (Hard plates) vest and one Flechette shell. Victory! Now just to get out...
Post by: beorn080 on August 01, 2016, 08:24:45 am
Post by: nomoetoe on August 02, 2016, 09:16:17 am
Currently working on getting a rock forge and a anvil built so I can start working on various things. I'll probably try and fish the river area near the town dry and preserve all the meat for the fun of it.
Things are going too well, this worries me greatly.
Post by: Adragis on August 02, 2016, 03:50:04 pm
Post by: Tawa on August 07, 2016, 11:26:05 pm
Then I procured an SUV and made a cross-county trip (:P) to the nearest refugee center. He got tired and spent most of the car ride sleeping in the back seat, so he missed the epic moves I pulled to dodge the lemming swarms in the nearby swamp. After quite a bit of wandering, I got my hands on a luxury RV, and our journey began in earnest. At first, he had this weird obsession with sitting in the driver's seat; I eventually realized it was because it was the only seat in the car with a seatbelt. Tearing some out of the SUV and putting them on the RV-compartment seats solved the issue. The RV has made it so I don't have to tell him to not engage enemies when we went for a drive, as before this he had this nasty habit of trying to jump out of the car to attack a zombie or whatever.
Unfortunately, as a side effect of me becoming so much more competent, he's become sort of a dead weight. Now he mostly just sits in the back while I read books and craft things. Every now and then he asks for food and water, which is hilarious because he'll go between things like "When are we eating?", "I'm mafuckin' hungry", and "Did you know lack of food kills faster than chain smoking?" in a matter of minutes. He also refuses to take off the ill-fitting rain coat I gave him; do NPCs agree to let you remove their clothes if they trust you enough?
Post by: Lucidvizion on August 08, 2016, 11:27:19 am
... My character is Martin Woodward, a near-sighted butler with a passion for parkour. ...
I'm picturing a guy holding a silver platter of champagne glasses doing a one-handed side vault over a half-wall next to a water garden. Wearing a tux, of course.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 08, 2016, 01:48:56 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 08, 2016, 02:40:16 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 08, 2016, 05:02:43 pm
Problems:
-Nobody wants to take the time to.
-Some are C++ made rather than json built, limiting who can make them
-Players would only learn which ones are crap and which arent
-The ones we have now are by and large generic.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 08, 2016, 08:16:43 pm
Post by: Tawa on August 08, 2016, 08:34:48 pm
Spoiler: The Continued Adventures of Martin Woodward and Carmen Scott (click to show/hide)
Post by: pisskop on August 08, 2016, 08:36:14 pm
I think vibrators might, but at size 2 and like zero weight they might literally be a plastic hunk with some wire and battery.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 08, 2016, 08:43:44 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 08, 2016, 08:56:04 pm
Not all of us start out as drunk naked alcoholics in a burning building at midnight in early spring in the middle of massive cities, just me :O
Those who have a day to sew armor and make weapons have no real reason to otherwise visit houses. Theres better places to get everything you can find on the ground floor of a house. Houses are jack of all trades, and for my naked hobo backside its a necessity.
And then theres the group who believe CDDA is too 'survival orientated' instead of roguelike and ADAM-like. You know, back when moose stalked city streets, when acid rain murderated everything all spring, and when the intro was 'this is how you died...'
So finding a basement of guns is a boon to fast play, and even long-term survivors benefit from more guns and ammo.
Post by: Egan_BW on August 08, 2016, 09:19:04 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 08, 2016, 09:47:39 pm
The ease with which you can get large supplies of guns and ammo from basements makes gun shops being locked/secured rather pointless, though.i used to, back in 0.C.
And I know all about being a naked hobo. My standard start is shower victim evacuee, surrounded start, no skills. If I can run through the horde and reach civilization before I freeze to death, I consider myself lucky. But that just emphasizes how useful houses are in such a scenario - nearly everything in them is useful. Particularly clothes, at that point. There's a great charm to breaking into a house, quickly blocking the door with a bookcase or two while you hurriedly changed into whatever mismatched clothing you can pull out of the dresser, and then jumping out the window and dashing down the street to the next house hoping to find a hammer, frying pan, or something altogether not terrible for smashing heads with.
Eschewing that in favour of entering your first basement and finding guns and enough ammunition to just blow apart anything that may be chasing you... that doesn't sound like it benefits fast play - to me, it sounds like it destroys it.
that cold yo
but, with a shelter start, your best best is to take a level in tailoring and maybe fab or archery.
-smash a locker, grab pipe and steel chunk
-smash benches with pipe, grab nails.
-craft nail hooks until level 1 fab, throw nail hooks to level 1 throw.
-close curtains, tear down, butcher the stick
-craft wood needle, craft hand wraps until lvl 1 tailor
-decon long string, craft arm warmers to lvl 2 tailor
-with lvl 1 fab, craft 2 shoulder straps. wear them.
-with 2 tailoring, the time/xp ratio of sewing slows down dramatixally, which is why i suggest a point in tailoring
-craft 2 cotton hats, then cargo pants, then boxer briefs (25 min a pair) until lvl 3
-@ level 3 sewing you make footwraps and go find leather for boots. and vambraces.
-with lvl 1 fab, craft shoulder straps until level 2. then lvl survivor or something until nightfall. then finish up watever warmth you need and go to town under nightfall, prioritizing a flashlight and boots and a working car.
-tips:
-make a bow or slingshot. leather belt can hold a sling or slingshot.
-if you dont have combat skill, kite zwds with your running and replace clothing with their filthy drops.
-you REALLY need a flashlight or night vison to do this. or be like me and know the game mechanics.
-makeshift crowbar lacks block. make a nailboard or use a 2x4 instead
-lighting a house on fire provides warmth, crafting light, and attracts local zeds. they may leave their loot for you after the fires die
-guns wont save you from a horde. an 8shot shotgun will kill 4 zeds or 2 survivor zeds before needing reload
Post by: pisskop on August 08, 2016, 10:07:47 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 08, 2016, 10:58:23 pm
Basements are built into over 90% of houses. we should be locking up guns (a law in my New England state) and either jsonizing the basement layouts or modding the c++ to have more variance
Post by: heydude6 on August 09, 2016, 05:35:49 pm
((Btw, I use stable))
Post by: pisskop on August 09, 2016, 05:42:53 pm
At high levels? they are silent, made of metal, have armor piercing, can be explosive in rare occasions, and can crit for absurd damage.
So.... at low levels I would also bring a melee weapon and maybe a gun.
At high levels youre the bloody green arrow.
What your str and dex is, what arrows you use, and what bow you use matter quite a bit though.
Post by: heydude6 on August 09, 2016, 06:20:49 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 09, 2016, 06:22:04 pm
or something like this.
More str than per, dump int, and prioritize agi
Post by: Tawa on August 09, 2016, 06:33:37 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 09, 2016, 06:43:26 pm
Theres a post about it somewhere.
10, 14, 6, 8?
What I said about the priorities still applies.
Str controls what bow and some damage. Agi determines accuracies and helps with things like crits and headshots, int is worthless for the task of shooting things, except for xp gain? And perception is important for accuracy, but by no means a priority.
Post by: Arcvasti on August 09, 2016, 07:53:54 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 09, 2016, 08:49:37 pm
thats 'buffing'
Post by: pisskop on August 09, 2016, 08:57:08 pm
They have a very distinct advantage.
Low cost, low tech ammo, high end ammo if that is what you need, silent attack, insane damage, fast as fuck firing speed, no itchy trigger finger penalty, damage that scales based on stats (i.e. take ten caffeine pills and murder things).
Guerilla warfare isnt dead with the rest of humanity :|
bows are lining up to the op side of things, especially since the ai/npcs/monsters of the game are often stupid, poorly armored, or unable to combat cheese/strats
Post by: pisskop on August 09, 2016, 10:28:50 pm
Some people find silenr headshoot damage worth more than slightly higher dpt. assuming it is worse because a muscle fired bow cant hitas hard as gunpowder then ignoring everything else isnt going to win any arguements.
yoy dont have to reload or mess with mags, its silent so useful at night, you can safely pick off hordes, the damage scales with stats to a degree higher than rifles and thus elevated mood affects it.
it goes on and on. So yes maybe with static spawn only dpt is king, but with hordes on or dynamic spawns different playstyles can be encouraged.
Im a smash and grab man myself, focusing on periods of preperation and short bursts of intense horde combat.
many 50x spawn rate players perfer a hunter type player, because there is just not enuff dakka to put downa horde of 10000 zeds
Post by: Kaitol on August 10, 2016, 10:51:23 am
Post by: pisskop on August 10, 2016, 06:44:23 pm
Things like climbing into cars or through windows or when applying a bandage will make the game refresh their screen every 100 movement points or something to that effect. this is very, very noticable when infighting or explosions or gunfire is concerned. And it also ruined the keystroke buffering so that I cant pre-input commands.
other things might just be more monsters around, more complex pathing from monsters, better zombie senses, and more checks.
Just download a new version, add in your save, and optionally add in your templates or the config file to save those.
Mods are more likely to be broken than the expi. But you should be able to check each thread for that
Post by: Arcvasti on August 13, 2016, 12:59:14 pm
But before that, I was wondering about mutations and thresholds - is it possible through ludicrous amounts of serums to get all the positive mutations in a category without the negative?
It is, although its an enourmous pain and you have a decent chance of getting addicted to mutagen or purifier in the process. Its usually easier if there's just one category mutation you want to avoid, but its still a pain. I did that for my dapper ninja catperson and the Carnivore mutation, because I'm far too lazy to hunt for things.
Post by: pisskop on August 13, 2016, 01:02:44 pm
I hunt with my fender, if were talking about lazy. nothing beats running down a cougar, or conducting a drive by on a deer.
Post by: Adragis on August 13, 2016, 01:25:39 pm
Post by: Darkmere on August 13, 2016, 01:51:26 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've had some luck with the powered thermal underwear for a floor or two, but it's so tedious I've just had better luck finding another lab to plunder.
Post by: pisskop on August 13, 2016, 01:56:36 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 13, 2016, 01:57:08 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 14, 2016, 08:36:57 pm
my newest character, should he survive to have babies, will tell them:
back in my day we didnt have fancy buses to get to school with. we had an electric car. with so little battery the lights died beforethe engine. you could just hear the car start to die as the dark closed. Did I mention; you squirts get to see the sun before you go off. we started at 3 oclock in the mornin'!
And ohhboy, getting inside was rough. you think you got bullys? I had a horde of kids trying to take my stuff. Heck, the teachers would watch us fight, and even throw a few slugs in themselves, the soulless bastards.
And what did I do when I got there? Why, unlike you, I had to find a backpack and steal a lunch! Wasnt interested in no books neither. more books than you could throw at a dog too; and I should know.
Post by: ArchAIngel on August 16, 2016, 04:14:19 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on August 16, 2016, 04:51:21 pm
So, as someone who last played when smacking apart a locker and bashing a pipe into a crowbar made a normal instead of a makeshift one, what's the current meta-build for getting a good run?
According to some of the people here, obtain hella guns, get 4ish skill from books and pump everything full of bullets.
**I** however, am a PURIST and DISDAIN ranged combat.
Spoiler: My build (click to show/hide)
]. Mess around with NPCs and try to make a faction.I wrote a lot more then I intended. Note that no mention was made of Hordes or NPCs, since I don't play with those. If you're using either of those, a more defensible/mobile base is probably a LOT more important.
Post by: Nirur Torir on August 16, 2016, 05:18:04 pm
Early game easy archery has been nerfed. I think you need to learn the essential recipes from books (I'm not quite sure on this. You might be able to make arrows if you start with archery, but you can't do [zero skill > self bow & "arrows" > longbow and metal arrows] anymore.)
At higher skill levels you can reload ammo just from a DIY supply chain from the woods now.
Post by: Arcvasti on August 16, 2016, 05:30:15 pm
Try having NPCs on! They're now much less buggy, and can be recruited. If you recruit them, they'll hit/block zombies, help with crafting, and you can stop them from looting.
Sorry, but.
8)
I WORK ALONE~!
In all seriousness, my current character is six months of experimentals behind and I fear I'd break something by upgrading. When I get bored with them or they die tragically to instadeath bullets/explosives, I'll probably get the latest version and try NPCs out.
Post by: Micro102 on August 19, 2016, 08:45:53 am
Post by: Ygdrad on August 19, 2016, 09:34:15 am
Post by: guessingo on August 19, 2016, 12:59:49 pm
Post by: Micro102 on August 19, 2016, 01:04:53 pm
Now that we've all had some time with it, what's everyone's thoughts on the new multipool character creation system? Do you stick with the old single pool instead? What are your go-to multipool builds?
It's only purpose seems to be to force you to use starting points on skills. I like this idea from an RP standpoint, but hate it from a tryhard's standpoint :)
Post by: pisskop on August 19, 2016, 01:09:20 pm
You can rely upon magic ponies to save you, but putting these 'quality assurance' points into skills makes the early game much more smoothly. And then I always hear people, not anyone here per se, but people complain about how easy the endgame is when they take a 14/14/14/14 character with night vision, animal empathy, judo, and fast healer, while also taking awful negatives like animal discord, wool allergy, itchy trigger finger, or squeamish,
Post by: Ygdrad on August 19, 2016, 02:19:15 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 19, 2016, 03:56:45 pm
Oh, PK, how's the merging of your mod going?90% done. Most of the locations, all of the monsters, all of the location/item/monster spawns are in their proper places.
You'd be advised to keep the forum version if you were using that, but you wont be missing everything if you use the one that comes with the download.
lets see....
a beta of doomlabs
a farm
a plantation
a tractor
some weapons, like bomblets and the tesla shockcannon
some 'experimental guns'
A few beta monsters, such as the firehack and archviles.
Post by: pisskop on August 20, 2016, 11:51:04 am
Ill get them to wear it too, somehow.
(http://i.imgur.com/8SX8n2W.png)
Post by: Baffler on August 20, 2016, 06:31:48 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 20, 2016, 06:42:32 pm
But heat packs are all almost useless for anything else, so save the fuel when you can.
Post by: Rolan7 on August 20, 2016, 08:55:51 pm
It's probably obvious, but is there some way to (re)heat up something like canned food or leftover soup, other than using a heat pack on them? It seems a little strange that that would be the only possible way, but I'm not seeing any way to do it otherwise. I'm running the latest experimental.I love when I mistake this for the Simple Questions Thread.
Post by: Egan_BW on August 21, 2016, 01:52:48 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 22, 2016, 03:34:13 pm
That doesn't even make sense
Post by: pisskop on August 22, 2016, 03:43:58 pm
You didnt get 'run over'. You got 'pummeled' as your car rammed into you at high speeds.
Ive had a few cases where that has happened to npcs, and ofc I get the -600 morale modifier. >:(
those diagonals tiles are to blame. And how cdda is a stop-motion game rather than a live action game.
Post by: Tawa on August 22, 2016, 03:48:53 pm
Post by: NEANDERTHAL on August 23, 2016, 08:53:20 pm
So there I was, sitting in a pool of boomer bile, tripping balls, as I watched the hospital burn through the blood in my eyes, waiting for the datura to finish me off.
Post by: heydude6 on August 23, 2016, 09:48:37 pm
Post by: NEANDERTHAL on August 23, 2016, 10:01:51 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 23, 2016, 10:09:55 pm
but i would like to see 'noise' mutations. like eldritch mutations and such. or the proverbial big toe mi
utations. both fluff mutations and serious abnormalities.
if i cant play as a chaos spawn than i dont wanna play
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 29, 2016, 08:12:33 am
- a moose attack, by sprinting fast enough not to get pummeled to death before leading the thing into a minefield. The explosion, one tile behind her, killed the moose, tore up her clothing, and caused some moderate damage.
- a wolfpack attack at night, by leading them into the same minefield, where one of the wolves exploded in a similar fashion to the moose previously, again dealing more clothing damage than actual damage.
- a chicken-walker attack, by pedaling all-out on her bicycle until the thing also stepped on a mine in the same minefield. (that minefield is a gift that keeps on giving) So the mines deal excellent damage to the target in the tile, enough to destroy a rampaging killer robot, but not enough to even seriously injure a little girl three feet away.
- a zombie grenadier. She was helped by a dismounted M249 machinegun (that she barely has enough strength to carry), but she survived two of the grenade-hacks exploding right up in her face as she ran to get up close and kill the thing.
So... if a mine or a grenade can't kill an unarmored little girl by exploding right next to her, what can it kill?
Post by: Egan_BW on August 29, 2016, 10:49:12 am
Post by: jocan2003 on August 29, 2016, 10:50:31 am
Is it just me, or are grenades and explosives in general a bit... underwhelming, with their area attack? I mean. I am currently playing a very unlucky girl (elementary student background, low stats to match) that has survived:If i remember right most of the mines *exept bouncin betty type* sends 90% of their force upward due to the fact they are buried and inflict most damage to watever is straight on top * was meant to stop vehicule and instill fear in infantry* anti personal mines send more shrapnel all around than explosive force. Im not an explosive expert but that what i gathered on the subject from various source, some being unnoficial or contextual.
- a moose attack, by sprinting fast enough not to get pummeled to death before leading the thing into a minefield. The explosion, one tile behind her, killed the moose, tore up her clothing, and caused some moderate damage.
- a wolfpack attack at night, by leading them into the same minefield, where one of the wolves exploded in a similar fashion to the moose previously, again dealing more clothing damage than actual damage.
- a chicken-walker attack, by pedaling all-out on her bicycle until the thing also stepped on a mine in the same minefield. (that minefield is a gift that keeps on giving) So the mines deal excellent damage to the target in the tile, enough to destroy a rampaging killer robot, but not enough to even seriously injure a little girl three feet away.
- a zombie grenadier. She was helped by a dismounted M249 machinegun (that she barely has enough strength to carry), but she survived two of the grenade-hacks exploding right up in her face as she ran to get up close and kill the thing.
So... if a mine or a grenade can't kill an unarmored little girl by exploding right next to her, what can it kill?
Post by: pisskop on August 29, 2016, 10:56:41 am
(N)PCs have 6 body parts. Monsters have 1. Thats why.
When you take explodey damage, you take 20 on your head, 15 on your torso, 5 on your left arm, etc. This adds up to a lot of pain and a death by 1000 scratches for NPCs.
when a mon takes explosive, it take 20 on its body. It doesnt feel pain, and it doesnt slow down due to pain, and it isnt smart enough to panic, and its immune to many secondary effects that a survivor would feel.
Additionally, most monsters have increased health in proportion to NPCs because they have but 1 part. They also simulate the idea that most monsters, including zoms, are naturally tougher than an average humie of 80 health. so 20 damage is piddledicks to that.
The damage dealt by raw explosions does not include any shockwaves or shrapnel. So yes, explodies are more or less useless against mons. Or at least you must recognize their limitations.
Shrapnel does exist. And its deadly.
'1' shrapnel can break a limb, or half destroy your average unarmored head. How the game does it is that it uses the power of the explosion as a radius, then draws lines simulating shrapnel out from the epicenter randomly. Each '1' of shrapnel is 1 line. If it intersects with something it deals relatively significant damage to that something.
Even a small shrapnel explosion will kill things caught in it. nail bombs are awesome because of it, and leave nails behind as an added effect.
So yes. shrapnel weapons will beat explosions weapons all day, unless you face a heavily armored target. In which case a ground zero explosive charge will do more, since explosions without shrapnel will be larger due to balancing for this.
Post by: nomoetoe on August 29, 2016, 11:12:11 am
Decided to try some naked/no towns survival again, its very much a pain, I eventually found a perfect cave in a perfect location, near a river, forest nearby, anthill nearby but far enough that ants don't spawn, swamp nearby for salt so I can tan hides, but then, fungal infection, got it from flaming eye. I was not happy about this, I didn't expect to survive long anyway but STILL, fungal infection, first day, just feeling a bit of salt flowing within me.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 29, 2016, 11:40:07 am
Yes, explosive power is underwhelming against non (n)pcs. Theres a reason for that.I have a different problem. The explosive weapons (mines, grenade-hacks) that explode right up in my (or rather, the elementary schoolgirl's) face, fail to inflict appreciable damage. The girl was wearing basic clothing, ate two grenades with her face point blank, and was right as rain after a small bundle of bandages and a sleepover in a bush. I get the feeling that basic explosive devices should be dealing more damage, or actually cause concussive damage like internal bleeding and other kinds of organ damage. I'm just saying that it's kind of silly for a schoolgirl to survive a military evil homing handgrenade, let alone two. These sort of things should be more dangerous.
(N)PCs have 6 body parts. Monsters have 1. Thats why.
When you take explodey damage, you take 20 on your head, 15 on your torso, 5 on your left arm, etc. This adds up to a lot of pain and a death by 1000 scratches for NPCs.
when a mon takes explosive, it take 20 on its body. It doesnt feel pain, and it doesnt slow down due to pain, and it isnt smart enough to panic, and its immune to many secondary effects that a survivor would feel.
Additionally, most monsters have increased health in proportion to NPCs because they have but 1 part. They also simulate the idea that most monsters, including zoms, are naturally tougher than an average humie of 80 health. so 20 damage is piddledicks to that.
The damage dealt by raw explosions does not include any shockwaves or shrapnel. So yes, explodies are more or less useless against mons. Or at least you must recognize their limitations.
Post by: pisskop on August 29, 2016, 11:45:11 am
Any mod should be able to rebuff them to proper levels. I dont make traps, and I dont walk into ranodm minefields because theyve only been in the game since just about always.
Post by: iceball3 on August 29, 2016, 02:10:59 pm
Had you taken any frailty traits? Might be characteristic given the character you're looking to play as. Something like "pain intolerant" and "thin skin" (don't remember if the first one is actually a trait) would be applicable as well.Yes, explosive power is underwhelming against non (n)pcs. Theres a reason for that.I have a different problem. The explosive weapons (mines, grenade-hacks) that explode right up in my (or rather, the elementary schoolgirl's) face, fail to inflict appreciable damage. The girl was wearing basic clothing, ate two grenades with her face point blank, and was right as rain after a small bundle of bandages and a sleepover in a bush. I get the feeling that basic explosive devices should be dealing more damage, or actually cause concussive damage like internal bleeding and other kinds of organ damage. I'm just saying that it's kind of silly for a schoolgirl to survive a military evil homing handgrenade, let alone two. These sort of things should be more dangerous.
(N)PCs have 6 body parts. Monsters have 1. Thats why.
When you take explodey damage, you take 20 on your head, 15 on your torso, 5 on your left arm, etc. This adds up to a lot of pain and a death by 1000 scratches for NPCs.
when a mon takes explosive, it take 20 on its body. It doesnt feel pain, and it doesnt slow down due to pain, and it isnt smart enough to panic, and its immune to many secondary effects that a survivor would feel.
Additionally, most monsters have increased health in proportion to NPCs because they have but 1 part. They also simulate the idea that most monsters, including zoms, are naturally tougher than an average humie of 80 health. so 20 damage is piddledicks to that.
The damage dealt by raw explosions does not include any shockwaves or shrapnel. So yes, explodies are more or less useless against mons. Or at least you must recognize their limitations.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 29, 2016, 02:14:57 pm
No, it hadn't occurred to me to make her extra frail. I might have to purpose-build a very frail character next time. Not sure what to do with all the bonus points though.Had you taken any frailty traits? Might be characteristic given the character you're looking to play as. Something like "pain intolerant" and "thin skin" (don't remember if the first one is actually a trait) would be applicable as well.Yes, explosive power is underwhelming against non (n)pcs. Theres a reason for that.I have a different problem. The explosive weapons (mines, grenade-hacks) that explode right up in my (or rather, the elementary schoolgirl's) face, fail to inflict appreciable damage. The girl was wearing basic clothing, ate two grenades with her face point blank, and was right as rain after a small bundle of bandages and a sleepover in a bush. I get the feeling that basic explosive devices should be dealing more damage, or actually cause concussive damage like internal bleeding and other kinds of organ damage. I'm just saying that it's kind of silly for a schoolgirl to survive a military evil homing handgrenade, let alone two. These sort of things should be more dangerous.
(N)PCs have 6 body parts. Monsters have 1. Thats why.
When you take explodey damage, you take 20 on your head, 15 on your torso, 5 on your left arm, etc. This adds up to a lot of pain and a death by 1000 scratches for NPCs.
when a mon takes explosive, it take 20 on its body. It doesnt feel pain, and it doesnt slow down due to pain, and it isnt smart enough to panic, and its immune to many secondary effects that a survivor would feel.
Additionally, most monsters have increased health in proportion to NPCs because they have but 1 part. They also simulate the idea that most monsters, including zoms, are naturally tougher than an average humie of 80 health. so 20 damage is piddledicks to that.
The damage dealt by raw explosions does not include any shockwaves or shrapnel. So yes, explodies are more or less useless against mons. Or at least you must recognize their limitations.
And I'd like to think that grenades would be better than this at killing regular adult humans too.
Post by: Azated on August 29, 2016, 02:16:24 pm
I have noticed that dropping a grenade at my feet or holding dynamite with a lit fuse is significantly less deadly than it used to be. Even mininukes seem less... nukey. The radiation killed me last time I used one.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 29, 2016, 02:38:24 pm
Post by: Akura on August 29, 2016, 03:17:48 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 29, 2016, 03:20:55 pm
Post by: qurvax on August 30, 2016, 01:20:37 am
Post by: Majestic7 on August 30, 2016, 02:27:08 am
Post by: qurvax on August 30, 2016, 05:03:23 am
Well, technically land mines are not supposed to be lethal. An infantry mine is supposed to maim the guy stepping on it, causing a casualty that has to be treated and taken to safety. Mines meant for vehicles are another thing entirely, of course. Perhaps the game will differentiate between different types of mines at some point.
Some was "made to kill": google ОЗМ-72 or М16 APM
Post by: i2amroy on August 30, 2016, 10:55:00 am
I have noticed that dropping a grenade at my feet or holding dynamite with a lit fuse is significantly less deadly than it used to be. Even mininukes seem less... nukey. The radiation killed me last time I used one.Last I checked they were nerfed somewhat because people were complaining about instantly getting blown up by explosives or something similar without much hope of survival, (which honestly you shouldn't have for many weapons). That was a long while back though, so it's possible that it's something else; and if what you are speaking about is true then honestly they probably need to be somewhat buffed back at least a bit.
Post by: Egan_BW on August 30, 2016, 05:45:21 pm
Post by: Greiger on August 31, 2016, 12:47:39 pm
That's odd there does not seem to be any light at the surface. Shining your pip boy upwards you see why. Solid stone! Someone has built some kind of building foundation over the exit! Of course! A big flat area with a commanding view of the countryside would be an idea location for a fortress!
You spend your last precious remaining seconds trying to find some way to stop the high powered elevator lifting you to your demise before being compressed into chunky soup. The people at the surface don't even notice.
FO4 GOTY :D
Though yea I agree, explosives do seem to be underwhelming. Nothing like firing a howitzer cannon into a horde and seemingly doing nothing to them. Land mines in particular could probably be buffed again since the most 'death out of nowhere' ones in my experience were ones on the overmap and those are now clearly marked. I know there are others but they seem sufficiently rare.
Post by: i2amroy on August 31, 2016, 01:46:26 pm
I might just be weird, but I don't think that simulation-ish games like this should be fair. "Survivor stumbles out of shelter, immediately explodes" seems like a perfectly valid story to me. :PAnd that's not what usually pisses people off, it's the stories that were more like "Godlike survivor in year four who can explode zombies with his mind and who's player has sunk over 100 hours into him accidentally steps on landmine and explodes" that tended to make complaints appear. :P
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 31, 2016, 02:01:14 pm
Post by: Tawa on August 31, 2016, 02:09:21 pm
That kind of thing is what makes me feel like Cata would be better if permadeath was optional. Cata has deep and immensely fun gameplay, but it requires an unusual amount of investment for a roguelike, which makes a death in Cata much more frustrating than one in, say, NetHack or DF Adventurer mode.I might just be weird, but I don't think that simulation-ish games like this should be fair. "Survivor stumbles out of shelter, immediately explodes" seems like a perfectly valid story to me. :PAnd that's not what usually pisses people off, it's the stories that were more like "Godlike survivor in year four who can explode zombies with his mind and who's player has sunk over 100 hours into him accidentally steps on landmine and explodes" that tended to make complaints appear. :P
Post by: n9103 on August 31, 2016, 03:09:25 pm
Something like 12 or 14 guaranteed spotting all mines before they were stepped on. Though this was back a couple *stable* versions, so that's quite possibly no longer the case.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 31, 2016, 03:53:27 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on September 01, 2016, 02:29:01 am
There are already quite a few of those though (smoke, flashbang, tear gas, etc), and once I've been playing long enough to find more than the odd one in a crate, I find I rarely need to use them.
I think he meant "defensive grenades", as opposed to regular "offensive" ones. IIRC, defensive grenades are meant to be larger and heavier, producing bigger booms and more shrapnel - intended to be tossed from out of cover, like a trench, so that the limited distance you can toss them and the large blast radius combined are not an issue.
Post by: nomoetoe on September 01, 2016, 04:13:10 pm
Post by: pisskop on September 01, 2016, 04:38:10 pm
Post by: nomoetoe on September 01, 2016, 08:28:43 pm
Post by: i2amroy on September 01, 2016, 09:56:29 pm
That kind of thing is what makes me feel like Cata would be better if permadeath was optional. Cata has deep and immensely fun gameplay, but it requires an unusual amount of investment for a roguelike, which makes a death in Cata much more frustrating than one in, say, NetHack or DF Adventurer mode.To be fair you just have to force quit before moving on from the "you died" menu and your character should still be just fine IIRC. :P (You may also be able to move the graveyard file back into the normal character file location and that may revive you as well, I don't remember if that was working or not last I checked).
Post by: BigD145 on September 02, 2016, 09:47:07 am
Post by: Adragis on September 02, 2016, 10:16:11 am
Post by: BigD145 on September 02, 2016, 10:23:00 am
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Post by: Ruludos on September 02, 2016, 11:57:32 am
Post by: Tawa on September 02, 2016, 01:19:30 pm
I know that you can savescum like that (it's how I get around YASDs from, say, encountering hulks on day one or antimaterial turrets outside the shelter; I hate YASDs in Cata because unlike other rogulikes I spend up to ten or fifteen minutes building a character,) I'm just afraid it'll accidentally get patched out someday :PThat kind of thing is what makes me feel like Cata would be better if permadeath was optional. Cata has deep and immensely fun gameplay, but it requires an unusual amount of investment for a roguelike, which makes a death in Cata much more frustrating than one in, say, NetHack or DF Adventurer mode.To be fair you just have to force quit before moving on from the "you died" menu and your character should still be just fine IIRC. :P (You may also be able to move the graveyard file back into the normal character file location and that may revive you as well, I don't remember if that was working or not last I checked).
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on September 02, 2016, 01:27:29 pm
Post by: pisskop on September 02, 2016, 01:32:04 pm
As in, the game deliberately spawns in a high cost monster on day 1.
I see a lot of zombie masters and lords on day 1 as well.
'a lot' being 1, I guess 'often' is a better qualifier.
Post by: pisskop on September 06, 2016, 05:32:26 pm
Ive got the coregame's version squared away okay, but Ive recently began playing with items and a few critters for the beta, located at my sig.
-Triffid antivenoms, to block and cure poisons. royal jelly only cures it, doesnt block future attacks.
-Fluid sacs can be cured into pouches that can be worn or crafted into small traps/grenady objects.
-Doomlab, a lab of DooM
-Homemade molotovs for early firestarters. May or may not do anything.
-Large public cemeteries.
-Blind zombies, agile blind zombies too.
-Actually semi-dangerous wild animals. A bear tore through my leather vest and leather duster with 1 swipe. A cougar actually stalked me.
-More dangerous mines. Faultines and wyrms gonna nom you down, doggys to come.
Post by: ollobrains on September 06, 2016, 06:32:58 pm
Just a popping in to say that Chesthole's Tileset support a tileset for most the critters added by the, my, mod.
Ive got the coregame's version squared away okay, but Ive recently began playing with items and a few critters for the beta, located at my sig.
-Triffid antivenoms, to block and cure poisons. royal jelly only cures it, doesnt block future attacks.
-Fluid sacs can be cured into pouches that can be worn or crafted into small traps/grenady objects.
-Doomlab, a lab of DooM
-Homemade molotovs for early firestarters. May or may not do anything.
-Large public cemeteries.
-Blind zombies, agile blind zombies too.
-Actually semi-dangerous wild animals. A bear tore through my leather vest and leather duster with 1 swipe. A cougar actually stalked me.
-More dangerous mines. Faultines and wyrms gonna nom you down, doggys to come.
after playing it, should be considered for the main branch with some modifiers as far as the agile blind zombies and doomlab could be expanded
Post by: Micro102 on September 07, 2016, 09:36:31 am
Post by: BigD145 on September 07, 2016, 09:42:46 am
So.... It seems that Cataclysm has been stuck in 0.C for a long time now in comparison to other versions. Is this due to fewer people working on it? 0.D just being many times larger an update than the others?
Stuck in what now?
Post by: Azated on September 07, 2016, 10:32:11 am
So.... It seems that Cataclysm has been stuck in 0.C for a long time now in comparison to other versions. Is this due to fewer people working on it? 0.D just being many times larger an update than the others?
O.C is just the official stable release. Experimental is updated every few hours and has probably twice or even thrice the content of stable, and despite the name is plenty stable enough to play. There's more bug fixes, a bunch of included community mods, and generally just more stuff to do. There's absolutely no reason to shy away from it especially when you consider it's like playing the game anew every month or so.
You can find it at http://en.cataclysmdda.com/ on the right bar, under 'Experimental Builds'. Windows console and windows graphical are most likely the ones to use. Console is Ascii, graphical is ohsopretti.
Post by: n9103 on September 07, 2016, 12:17:21 pm
Post by: Greiger on September 07, 2016, 12:20:25 pm
And yea I agree with a renaming.
Post by: pisskop on September 07, 2016, 12:31:59 pm
Post by: Salmeuk on September 07, 2016, 02:10:15 pm
I remove all the extraneous zombies, creatures, etc. until I'm left with some fairly normal zoms and wildlife and NPC's. I try to take balanced, RP-heavy perks.
I find that the sound mechanics for spawning zombies are terrible, leading to broken immersion when a basement I just cleared out is suddenly full again, or a patch of forest I've scoured for days suddenly contains a horde. The other option, static zombies, leads to weird gamey experiences where I've cleared out a certain portion of the city and face no risk at all beyond the occasional NPC.
And then, once I finally do make it pretty far with a vehicle and gear and food and a base, it just becomes immediately boring without any of the usual end-game content - I find that stuff pretty cheesy and ridiculous so I tend to avoid it anyways. Like, boring because nothing is threatening anymore. And unlike DF, my attempts at RP end up just feeling like meaningless tedium for the sake of a story.
I guess I just want more RP focused mechanics, lessening the stat-focused item-sorting elements of the game and refining the survival-sim aspects into something less repetitive/gamey. Maybe I should just STFU and start modding. . .
Post by: Tawa on September 07, 2016, 02:43:42 pm
Post by: BigD145 on September 07, 2016, 03:46:44 pm
Has anyone tried recreating a World War Z-type survival experience? That's pretty much my dream with Cata but I always run into the same problems.
I remove all the extraneous zombies, creatures, etc. until I'm left with some fairly normal zoms and wildlife and NPC's. I try to take balanced, RP-heavy perks.
I find that the sound mechanics for spawning zombies are terrible, leading to broken immersion when a basement I just cleared out is suddenly full again, or a patch of forest I've scoured for days suddenly contains a horde. The other option, static zombies, leads to weird gamey experiences where I've cleared out a certain portion of the city and face no risk at all beyond the occasional NPC.
And then, once I finally do make it pretty far with a vehicle and gear and food and a base, it just becomes immediately boring without any of the usual end-game content - I find that stuff pretty cheesy and ridiculous so I tend to avoid it anyways. Like, boring because nothing is threatening anymore. And unlike DF, my attempts at RP end up just feeling like meaningless tedium for the sake of a story.
I guess I just want more RP focused mechanics, lessening the stat-focused item-sorting elements of the game and refining the survival-sim aspects into something less repetitive/gamey. Maybe I should just STFU and start modding. . .
Work on the NPC side of the code and make factions more of a thing. You know you want to.
Post by: Baffler on September 07, 2016, 04:21:15 pm
Post by: Tawa on September 07, 2016, 04:30:02 pm
Post by: x2yzh9 on September 07, 2016, 04:45:35 pm
Has anyone tried recreating a World War Z-type survival experience? That's pretty much my dream with Cata but I always run into the same problems.That is a great idea, and I support it. +1 to that. This roguelike has come a very long way, even when Whales was the developer. Finally this game is reaching the dream I think everyone always had for it. :)
I remove all the extraneous zombies, creatures, etc. until I'm left with some fairly normal zoms and wildlife and NPC's. I try to take balanced, RP-heavy perks.
I find that the sound mechanics for spawning zombies are terrible, leading to broken immersion when a basement I just cleared out is suddenly full again, or a patch of forest I've scoured for days suddenly contains a horde. The other option, static zombies, leads to weird gamey experiences where I've cleared out a certain portion of the city and face no risk at all beyond the occasional NPC.
And then, once I finally do make it pretty far with a vehicle and gear and food and a base, it just becomes immediately boring without any of the usual end-game content - I find that stuff pretty cheesy and ridiculous so I tend to avoid it anyways. Like, boring because nothing is threatening anymore. And unlike DF, my attempts at RP end up just feeling like meaningless tedium for the sake of a story.
I guess I just want more RP focused mechanics, lessening the stat-focused item-sorting elements of the game and refining the survival-sim aspects into something less repetitive/gamey. Maybe I should just STFU and start modding. . .
Post by: Steelmagic on September 07, 2016, 04:59:50 pm
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Post by: Blaze on September 07, 2016, 08:38:59 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on September 10, 2016, 07:58:49 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on September 10, 2016, 08:29:47 pm
Post by: George_Chickens on September 11, 2016, 06:10:46 am
Take, for example, resurrection mechanics and gun shops. Gun shops are locked up, but just in a way that adds a single, long step into getting into them, usually finding explosives or trying to fix up a car to ram it. As for resurrection, previously I'd kill things and burn them if I thought a necromancer was coming, but now I need to press S on every corpse so that it doesn't arise. I love the idea of zombies coming back up, but I really don't like its execution.
Post by: pisskop on September 11, 2016, 06:14:49 am
Post by: Blaze on September 11, 2016, 06:47:02 am
Post by: Ivefan on September 11, 2016, 06:51:41 am
You can disable resurrection by using the appropriate mod.I regret doing this in my latest game. It saves a bit of time from smashing or butchering but it also reduces the threat of large groups a lot. Can just kill everything with a car.
Post by: pisskop on September 11, 2016, 06:58:27 am
smash high priority zeds in cities, ignore the rest
Post by: Sheb on September 11, 2016, 07:13:57 am
Post by: Tawa on September 11, 2016, 02:21:55 pm
Post by: Greiger on September 11, 2016, 02:27:54 pm
Post by: Akura on September 11, 2016, 04:23:23 pm
Post by: martinuzz on September 12, 2016, 08:08:36 am
What is the latest 'stable' nightly?
It would really help this game's popularity, I think, if the dev took some time once a month to go through the list of nightlies of that month, and either put a 'stable' label on some of them, or at least remove links to nightlies that came up with a nasty bug. The not knowing whether I will encounter a game breaking bug or not really puts me off from downloading and playing, because I *know* how much time investment goes into a character. I know I'd rather play a one month old release that has stood the test of not being scrapped after a one month revision, than play the latest release not knowing if there's major new bugs.
Post by: pisskop on September 12, 2016, 08:11:52 am
the latest nightly is the most stable nightly.
srsy dont overthink it i recompile like 1ce a week
Post by: martinuzz on September 12, 2016, 08:18:18 am
Post by: Micro102 on September 12, 2016, 09:02:28 am
Post by: Baffler on September 12, 2016, 04:38:16 pm
Post by: Azated on September 12, 2016, 05:52:34 pm
EDIT: Just had this and thought it was funny.
(http://i.imgur.com/TmbdbBf.png)
With two broken legs, minor dehydration, serious starvation, and a small horde outside my door. Ahh, the life of a hobo survivor in the post-apocalyptic zombie world.
Post by: i2amroy on September 12, 2016, 11:04:19 pm
EDIT: Just had this and thought it was funny.(https://i.imgur.com/CG9X33y.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TmbdbBf.png)
Post by: Azated on September 13, 2016, 07:09:06 pm
Post by: Sheb on September 14, 2016, 03:32:25 am
Woke up one morning to find my entire stockpile of food gone. A quick investigation revealed a survivor hiding in the corner of the mall that I'd reinforced, shortly followed by a spray of bullets and my subsequent death. Turns out a Glock can fire faster than a heavily modded M4. Whodathunkit.
Could be that he hit you first and the pain slowed you down.
Post by: Ygdrad on September 14, 2016, 01:35:40 pm
Post by: RedKing on September 18, 2016, 11:29:54 pm
Genned up a new world with Static Spawn set to false, then created a character and started him in the Evacuee scenario with a starting location of Grocery Store. Voila, half a dozen zeds staring at me through the window as soon as I start. Thought I might have done something wrong, so I nuked the world and tried again, same result.
EDIT: Nope, I started a game in the shelter, ran into a zombie before I was even out of sight of the shelter.
Post by: RedKing on September 19, 2016, 08:22:37 am
Post by: Zireael on September 19, 2016, 08:26:20 am
Also, how far from the city is your shelter? Sometimes the shelter is in the city or right next to one (2-3 map tiles is not a safe distance)
Post by: RedKing on September 19, 2016, 08:36:26 am
Are you sure you have wander spawns off?Yeah, but if I'm starting with dynamic spawn, it shouldn't matter, right? No zeds for first 90 minutes.
Also, how far from the city is your shelter? Sometimes the shelter is in the city or right next to one (2-3 map tiles is not a safe distance)
Post by: Sheb on September 19, 2016, 08:50:17 am
Are you sure you have wander spawns off?Yeah, but if I'm starting with dynamic spawn, it shouldn't matter, right? No zeds for first 90 minutes.
Also, how far from the city is your shelter? Sometimes the shelter is in the city or right next to one (2-3 map tiles is not a safe distance)
Maybe that was modified. I'm actually not sure we do have the old-fashioned dynamic spawn (as opposed to wander spawn).
Post by: RedKing on September 19, 2016, 09:01:22 am
Post by: martinuzz on September 19, 2016, 09:11:05 am
EDIT: hahaha, epic.
LMOE shelters are no longer a safe haven, with random NPC spawns turned on.
I was heading to the exit, when I was met by a random NPC who demanded I keep my distance.
I proceeded to threaten him to drop his weapon.
He then turned to flee. but not before LIGHTING A STICK OF DYNAMITE AND THROWING IT AT ME.
I shotgunned him to the face with my Remington, one-shot killing him.
I proceeded to pick up the dynamite (lit), head up the stairs, throw it out the door, close the door and wait.
A huge explosion wrapped around the outside of the LMOE entrance. It did not penetrate though.
I now have a NPC corpse that dropped a ton of firecrackers, a pipebomb, a dozen refillable lighters, fire gauntlets and a spraycan flamethrower, plus as an added benefit, I won't need to cut down the trees around the LMOE anymore. Dynamite did that for me.
I just hope I'm far enough away from town to not have attracted every last zombie out there to my LMOE. On hindsight, perhaps I shoujld have thrown the dynamite in one of the underground rooms and shut the door on it there.
But yeah, being invaded by a pyrotechnician NPC was epic.
Post by: ConscriptFive on September 20, 2016, 09:22:31 am
LMOE shelters are no longer a safe haven, with random NPC spawns turned on.
It's been a few months since I last tried Dynamic NPC's, but that happens *alot*. I play LMOE starts almost exclusively. Often I'd run off to bed after a long scavenging run, then wake up to find some guy equipping my stash of firearms. Because it's dark in an LMOE, it's headshot range so whoever fires first wins. Even if the guy spawns as neutral, he's still going to loot your stash, so I ended up murdering guys all the time. (The default NPC spawn was something like every 5 days.)
I found the idea that you had to reclear your own base tedious, and thus never played with Dynamic NPC's again. Plus, the latest experimental builds have so many non-zombie mobs that you really don't need roaming NPC's to distract zombies like you used to. Static NPC's are good enough for me.
Post by: Akura on September 20, 2016, 04:49:27 pm
Post by: Azated on September 21, 2016, 12:33:44 am
I didn't want to risk opening the interior door to go back and kill him in case he'd looted one of my 50cal's or M249's, so I just had to wait for him to get out and obliterate him. The resulting 'killed innocent' thought completely ruined any hope of finishing out the planting season productively because I couldn't build a plow in time. I had to survive the winter on pine nuts, coffee, and malted milk balls.
Post by: Sheb on September 21, 2016, 02:23:02 am
Post by: Azated on September 21, 2016, 03:57:38 am
I never had problem with neutral NPCs looting my stuff. Do you guys close your doors?
All the time, but vehicles crossing over diagonal tiles doesn't work out too well when you only have 1 tile wide walls. Might as well just take off the armor plating and boards and save on weight for engine power.
Post by: martinuzz on September 21, 2016, 04:15:35 am
Post by: RickRollYou2 on September 22, 2016, 10:24:01 pm
Post by: Darkmere on September 22, 2016, 10:25:30 pm
my cell phone took up the same amount of space as a pill. :D
Jokes on you, that was a suppository.
Post by: Damiac on September 23, 2016, 07:51:14 am
It also sounds like they kinda screwed guns over for the time being while they work out a ranged rework. This greatly concerns me because my character has a heavy rail gun that can shoot perfectly accurately to the edge of the reality bubble (60 tiles), and it seems with the new ranged code there's a hard coded max of 30 tiles.
If I can't shoot a steel rail through a zombie master's head from two blocks away, why am I even playing this game, you know?
Post by: Azated on September 23, 2016, 08:48:19 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 24, 2016, 12:48:26 pm
Post by: Tawa on September 24, 2016, 12:51:01 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 24, 2016, 12:53:04 pm
And I wasn't complaining about the presence, but rather about the fact that I was able to beat it to death with minimal skill and a crappy weapon. Maybe my memory is off, but I recall getting pasted by normal brutes often enough that I eventually just outright avoided them until I had a modded-up Savage that I could evaporate them with.
Post by: pisskop on September 24, 2016, 12:55:14 pm
But, its all random, and the game will occasionally allow high level spawns to pop up in the first hours of the game to explicitly laugh at your reaction. try again.
But yes, the game has been made harder by the compounding over gradual changes as well as other influences. combat is harder, being grabbed is deadly, weapons are slightly nerfed, items are tweaked in frequency, and focus seems to be on making the earlygame last longer.
Post by: pisskop on September 24, 2016, 12:59:06 pm
alsoalsoalso, that makeshift crowbar is a crap weapon. you need a nailboard, a bow and arrows, a sling, or even a 2x4.
Combat tehcniques, such as block or brutal strike, will serve you better than slightly more raw damage.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 24, 2016, 01:01:30 pm
Post by: pisskop on September 24, 2016, 01:10:15 pm
Looking over the brutes:
Shocker damage in melee
"melee_dice": 3,
"melee_dice_sides": 4,
"melee_cut": 2,
regular brute in melee
"melee_dice": 3,
"melee_dice_sides": 8,
"melee_cut": 2,
Thats a significant difference. Smashing, additionally, gets more dangerous the more bashing damage is. Side*number iirc, determine distance and force, which determines if you go through something and how much damage said impact and landing do.
The shocker brute did its job. But, just for clarification, I cant control how many people dont want to face an early game brute who does brute damage. The shocker brute via my own mod do
"melee_skill":4,
"melee_dice":3,
"melee_dice_sides":8,
"melee_cut":2,
"melee_damage": [ {"damage_type": "electric", "amount": 6} ],
more than a standard brute. But they also dont evolve.
so idk. if you are okay seeing zoms as smart enough to work as a team its not really an issue. shocker brutes have always been less smashy and more zappy.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 24, 2016, 02:02:56 pm
Post by: pisskop on September 24, 2016, 05:53:30 pm
Youtube has finally recommended I watch a video on how to pemmican and how to jerky
Post by: Flying Dice on September 24, 2016, 06:27:30 pm
Post by: Azated on September 25, 2016, 07:40:54 am
I'd set up camp somewhere to build up weapons (not that I need it, my car is literally a moving lab/factory/5 star restaurant/zombie shredder) but I can't stay anywhere longer than a day. I've had to go days without food because every time I stop to fish or forage, I get overwhelmed by every zombie type imaginable. I'm practically living off multivitamins and aspirin at this point.
Also as a side note: Is asthma meant to actually be dangerous? I was worried that I'd suffocate when my inhaler ran out, but that was almost a year ago. Now it just wakes me up a few times a night and doesn't seem to do much else.
Post by: pisskop on September 25, 2016, 07:51:42 am
I have not had a survivor live so long since ... ... o.c? I get bored so often with them.
Post by: Kaitol on September 27, 2016, 11:42:19 pm
*Lives off random human corpses and bottled water while wandering about wondering how to get out this time. Finds strange Muteboots that make steps silent*
*first zombie solder to die drops a fully loaded almost perfect condition Barrett M107A1 with a full magazine*
*Wonders if it could blow through a steel door, makes way to exit*
*On the way finds 171 lb keg ANFO Bomb. Bursts out laughing. Also munches some misshapen limbs for lunch, night vision goes high and pretty turns beautiful*
*Lugs bomb to stairs, Uses Anti-material rifle to blow away the turret guarding the exit, puts fuckoff huge bomb next to the doors, pulls the fuse and runs*
*Explosion almost reaches character hugging opposite wall*
*Character sees sunlight for the first time, Notes a farm right next to the lab. Also sees a cabin and campsite just down the road.*
God truly does love psychopathic cannibalistic Catgirl mutants.
Post by: Tnx on September 28, 2016, 12:03:33 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 28, 2016, 12:09:07 am
Post by: Kaitol on September 28, 2016, 01:32:22 am
Post by: Ygdrad on September 29, 2016, 11:17:08 am
Post by: Greiger on September 30, 2016, 10:48:47 am
As for mutations, I think your food requirements don't change unless you get the mutations that change them. You could be a massive 15 foot tall tentacled horror spraying spider webs and fungus everywhere and still be perfectly satisfied with a morning ritual of two chicken eggs scrambled over a hotplate as long as you don't mutate to fast metabolism.
Post by: martinuzz on September 30, 2016, 12:57:04 pm
EDIT: I'll be eating haggis this winter.
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Post by: Tawa on September 30, 2016, 03:03:11 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on September 30, 2016, 03:08:35 pm
Post by: martinuzz on September 30, 2016, 03:10:18 pm
Post by: HugeNerdAndProudOfIt on September 30, 2016, 04:37:56 pm
Post by: Akura on September 30, 2016, 04:43:01 pm
Spoiler: Is it really a spoiler? (click to show/hide)
Post by: HugeNerdAndProudOfIt on September 30, 2016, 04:49:25 pm
okay, so, I lucked out as long as I don't go anywhere near it.Spoiler: Is it really a spoiler? (click to show/hide)
Post by: HugeNerdAndProudOfIt on September 30, 2016, 05:03:51 pm
Post by: Tawa on September 30, 2016, 05:32:24 pm
People are always talking about how the stable and experimental builds need to be renamed, because "stable" isn't really indicative of what they are. They're more like official releases. Experimental, meanwhile, is more like "latest" or something.
Post by: Aseaheru on September 30, 2016, 06:04:23 pm
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Post by: HugeNerdAndProudOfIt on September 30, 2016, 06:07:57 pm
Post by: HugeNerdAndProudOfIt on September 30, 2016, 06:20:07 pm
Post by: Darkmere on September 30, 2016, 11:34:19 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on October 01, 2016, 12:47:09 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 01, 2016, 01:01:19 am
Selling your soul to Cthulu is not like selling it to satan; with satan it's a massive advantage in exchange for a massive disadvantage later. With Cthulhu, what happens doesn't really make sense in terms of good or bad, things just happen.
The Lovecraftian gods bargain. In fact the weirdest thing about them is that they don't always play the bad guy... They can play nice, though usually in alternate forms (my theory is these alternate forms are like entirely different personalities that make up the whole... my second is they don't care about humanity so why not?).
Though one HUUUUUGE difference between Satan and the Lovecraftian gods is simple: Satan has to keep his promise and can only affect you if you agree (so to speak).
Cthulhu can lie and can force you.
Post by: Azated on October 01, 2016, 02:06:17 am
I had a staff one time that gave me Clairvoyance, basically see everything everything at max sight range like it's daylight. The downside was... it rattled occasionally.
I had one many versions ago that was a rechargeable staff of fireballs. I don't know what the downside was, but I pretty much beat the game in that playthrough, so it mustn't have been too bad.
Post by: pisskop on October 01, 2016, 09:12:53 am
Having some real survival issues recently. I'm in the winter of my second year and the amounts of dangerous zombies has gone insane. I can't fight anything more than a hungry zombie, and zombie horses are guaranteed to splatter me all over the door of my truck before I can start it.
I'd set up camp somewhere to build up weapons (not that I need it, my car is literally a moving lab/factory/5 star restaurant/zombie shredder) but I can't stay anywhere longer than a day. I've had to go days without food because every time I stop to fish or forage, I get overwhelmed by every zombie type imaginable. I'm practically living off multivitamins and aspirin at this point.
Also as a side note: Is asthma meant to actually be dangerous? I was worried that I'd suffocate when my inhaler ran out, but that was almost a year ago. Now it just wakes me up a few times a night and doesn't seem to do much else.
was this supposed to be a bug report or complaint? im pk of pk_rebalancing.
Post by: pisskop on October 01, 2016, 09:14:16 am
Having some real survival issues recently. I'm in the winter of my second year and the amounts of dangerous zombies has gone insane. I can't fight anything more than a hungry zombie, and zombie horses are guaranteed to splatter me all over the door of my truck before I can start it.
I'd set up camp somewhere to build up weapons (not that I need it, my car is literally a moving lab/factory/5 star restaurant/zombie shredder) but I can't stay anywhere longer than a day. I've had to go days without food because every time I stop to fish or forage, I get overwhelmed by every zombie type imaginable. I'm practically living off multivitamins and aspirin at this point.
Also as a side note: Is asthma meant to actually be dangerous? I was worried that I'd suffocate when my inhaler ran out, but that was almost a year ago. Now it just wakes me up a few times a night and doesn't seem to do much else.
was this supposed to be a bug report or complaint? im pk of pk_rebalancing.
Post by: Azated on October 01, 2016, 09:50:08 am
The difficult is a little extreme but It's not so terrible that I can't play. Spiked plating and a heavy crossbow do most of the work, but camping anywhere except my car is a no-no.
As for the asthma, I read on the wiki could kill you, but I've yet to really see any negative side effects other than the mentioned waking up ten times a night, which happens with an inhaler anyway. Doesn't seem to have any other effect and just goes away on its own without an inhaler.
Post by: iceball3 on October 01, 2016, 06:40:56 pm
Which part? Most of it was just a comment on the difficulty and the weirdness of asthma.I'm not sure, as I'm going off an anecdote I can barely remember, but maybe it's such that asthma can kill you if you're currently kept unconscious by sleeping medication?
The difficult is a little extreme but It's not so terrible that I can't play. Spiked plating and a heavy crossbow do most of the work, but camping anywhere except my car is a no-no.
As for the asthma, I read on the wiki could kill you, but I've yet to really see any negative side effects other than the mentioned waking up ten times a night, which happens with an inhaler anyway. Doesn't seem to have any other effect and just goes away on its own without an inhaler.
Post by: Tawa on October 01, 2016, 07:28:24 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 01, 2016, 07:29:31 pm
Post by: Akura on October 01, 2016, 07:40:42 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 01, 2016, 08:17:26 pm
Remember to eat meat after bleeding fora while.
Post by: Tawa on October 01, 2016, 10:47:55 pm
Oh, but don't take too many, or you'll get hypervitaminosis. I don't believe it does anything yet, but you will get annoying "your metabolism becomes unstable" followed by "your metabolism becomes stable again" messages every hour on the hour until it goes away.
Post by: Culise on October 01, 2016, 11:52:39 pm
EDIT: Nope, the CDDA item browser doesn't pull detailed nutrition information. That would have been too easy.
EDIT 2: A JSON search has revealed an answer to my question. Bones, dairy, and insect flesh are the best sources, and the first two were only to be expected. Eggs then rank in, and vegetables and animal/human flesh clock in last, only above materials that don't give anything. It also reveals why the item browser doesn't pull that information; unless overridden as in fortified protein shakes and vitamins, nutrition seems a consequence of item material rather than the item itself.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 02, 2016, 12:06:23 am
Post by: Culise on October 02, 2016, 12:12:00 am
Given that it's a cyberpunkish setting I could totally buy a dried seaweed snack food existing.Actually, you don't need cypunk for that; I literally have a drawer of dried seaweed in my kitchen right now. It's a taste I've had since childhood: seaweed, rice, and myeolchi were staples for me. It's a bit of a cultural food, though; the setting is New England, and apparently most Americans view it as a bit odd unless they're big on health fads, which is why I discounted it.
Though since you bring up cypunk, soylent (not of the green variety) was rendered from soys and lentils, both of which are great calcium sources. ^_^
Post by: Flying Dice on October 02, 2016, 12:53:05 am
Though honestly you could probably come up with a dozen different justifications in Cata, from "import shop" to "interdimensional portal".
Post by: Culise on October 02, 2016, 01:00:01 am
Yeah, that's why I mentioned it in that context, it fits the cultural milieu that tends to appear in cyberpunk settings.Ah, OK, I understand what you're aiming at now. I'm also now picturing an interdimensional portal raining gim, but that's neither here nor there. :P
Though honestly you could probably come up with a dozen different justifications in Cata, from "import shop" to "interdimensional portal".
Post by: martinuzz on October 02, 2016, 02:24:11 am
I wonder which alternate sources of calcium exist in the game. Seaweed may be out due to the New England setting (insofar as it exists, but is culturally less likely to be eaten), but beans, kale, and spinach should exist, and I seem to have fairly good luck scavenging dried beans early on. Growing them, maybe not so much, though.Wait what? Is there a hidden difference between 'meat' from an insect, and 'meat' from a woodland mammal? Or did the last two weeks see an update that added insect flesh ( I am playing a release that's about 2-3 weeks old)?
EDIT: Nope, the CDDA item browser doesn't pull detailed nutrition information. That would have been too easy.
EDIT 2: A JSON search has revealed an answer to my question. Bones, dairy, and insect flesh are the best sources, and the first two were only to be expected. Eggs then rank in, and vegetables and animal/human flesh clock in last, only above materials that don't give anything. It also reveals why the item browser doesn't pull that information; unless overridden as in fortified protein shakes and vitamins, nutrition seems a consequence of item material rather than the item itself.
Post by: n9103 on October 02, 2016, 07:33:07 am
It has a few common elements (pretty much only that body augments exist), but the overall theme is certainly different from a cyberpunk setting.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 02, 2016, 08:30:45 am
It doesn't come off that strongly because of the melange of influences; it's also a Romero zombie setting, a sooper speshul zombie setting, basically Doom, half a dozen miscellaneous other horror/action films, Call of Cthulhu (kinda), Death Wish, Terminator (kinda), I Am Legend, Mad Max, &c.
Post by: Sheb on October 02, 2016, 08:32:19 am
... Cyberpunk? That's a bit of a stretch, imo.
It has a few common elements (pretty much only that body augments exist), but the overall theme is certainly different from a cyberpunk setting.
Augment, murderous robot police, corporate takeover, no environmental regulations...
Post by: pisskop on October 02, 2016, 08:48:07 am
yes, insect flesh and peopleflesh and animap flesh and zumbie flesh are all diffetent items. but i was unaware that they had different nutrition rates. they all look the same when scrapped of my spiked car. and all cook into the same items :|
ive been putting off malnutrition effects because wilderness, but if this is the case ...
Post by: Flying Dice on October 02, 2016, 08:56:10 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 02, 2016, 10:32:30 am
Post by: Culise on October 02, 2016, 10:47:23 am
Wait what? Is there a hidden difference between 'meat' from an insect, and 'meat' from a woodland mammal? Or did the last two weeks see an update that added insect flesh ( I am playing a release that's about 2-3 weeks old)?The last push on my version was from mid-August, so yours is likely newer than mine. In the last version I picked up, it appears calcium is the only nutritional information field for insect flesh material, which is tied to various insect critters (so it's not just a depreciated material being phased out). I actually haven't gone on a proper bug-hunt since the release of the new nutrition system (I either keep dying or resetting in the first few days), so I haven't actually seen insect meat in the game itself to see how the raw stats actually affect the output, and I wonder if material drops might be replaced by the "flesh" JSON entry (used as the base for all general chunks of meat, among others) once butchered. Actually, they probably are, thinking on it; it's possible that "iflesh" and "flesh" are tied only to the raw material of the animals/corpses themselves, and not the butchered products (which are tied to the...abstract "flesh" of the same name? Curiouser and curiouser). That means that animal and human meat is a better source of calcium than the materials JSONs indicate, and insect meat a better source of iron and vitamin B.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 02, 2016, 04:09:07 pm
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After about 12 minutes of hitting random buttons I found it. Under escape. Perhaps a note should be added to the help screen that its there now, along with similar things.
Post by: martinuzz on October 02, 2016, 04:41:42 pm
Right, what git moved keybinding settings from under "?" and where are they now? And no, the menu option on the main menu does not help.
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After about 12 minutes of hitting random buttons I found it. Under escape. Perhaps a note should be added to the help screen that its there now, along with similar things.
Damn, that's a huge change. Every single roguelike I ever played, first thing I do is hit the ? button to get to the key commands list. They might want to change that back.
Post by: Akura on October 02, 2016, 04:56:24 pm
Yeah, it was annoying, but the Esc menu will have it. You can also create a keybinding to get to the keybinding menu.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 02, 2016, 04:58:52 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 02, 2016, 05:13:04 pm
The static one I started with though has been very helpful. She even helps me deconstruct furniture. Haven't tried chopping wood yet, but I assume if I give her an axe and saw, she might also help me with chopping and sawing.
She's a good drinking and smoking buddy too. I love how she actually lights a smoke when given one, and gets completely hammered after half a bottle of gin.
(Tip for cannibal players: soften up your meal with a bottle of booze. Makes the hunt much easier. Improves flavour too.)
Most of the time I just put her on guard in the LMOE though, when I go out and raid. It's not that she's not helpful (for some reason she spawned with 6 cutting weapon skill, and was kind enough to train me up to that as well), but she can't keep up with my fleet-footed trait. Got tired of having to wait all the time for her to catch up.
Post by: Akura on October 02, 2016, 05:18:18 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 02, 2016, 05:21:16 pm
UNRELATED EDIT: WTH is up with vehicle engines. This is the second time that a frontal collision at no more than 40-60km/h with a simple Z completely destroyed my car's shiny new V8 engine, while not damaging any of the surrounding parts at all. Does collision damage favour the heaviest object in a vehicle tile or something? I had to walk all the way to pain 40 with a new engine to salvage my car. Also reinforced headlights are way too weak. Just a few shrubs and they're red.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 02, 2016, 05:26:50 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 02, 2016, 06:07:44 pm
Post by: Akura on October 02, 2016, 06:23:13 pm
How long ago was that? They start out now with no pickup allowed. They only pick up things when specifically told to do so. There's even a whole pickup rule list, although I can't figure out how to use that. I rather stick with no pickup, and manually give them stuff I want them to have.
Again, they weren't a follower, and it was earlier today, using an experimental grabbed last night.
Post by: BigD145 on October 03, 2016, 12:03:53 am
Question about charcoal kilns (the built ones, not the portable one). Do I get more coal if I chop up logs into planks / splintered wood, do I get more coal, or can I just chuck whole logs into it with no penalty?
Same coal output for 20 splintered, 3 two by four, 5 heavy sticks, or 1 log. 1 two by four from 1 heavy stick. I can't find how many two by four you get from log in item browser.
Post by: martinuzz on October 03, 2016, 04:50:10 am
I can't find how many two by four you get from log in item browser.A lot more than 3. So it looks like sawing them up will pay off. Perhaps splintering them even moreso, I'll have a look and see how many splinters I get from disassembling a 2x4. Thanks for the info.
EDIT:
Using a wood saw on a log, at survival level 7 if that matters, gives me 9 2x4s and 3 splintered woods.
Cutting up a 2x4 into splintered woods yields 5 splinters.
So apparently I should cut up the logs into planks for a 300% efficiency increase, but not cut those up into splinters.
Don't know if an electric circular saw or a chainsaw changes the log - plank conversion rate
Unrelated: I've finally decided to stop using the water pool room in the LMOE, and install myself in the former gun room. I always disliked how the water cuts out a tile of a 5x5 area, and this room has the added benefit of being closer to the exit. Removing the lower fence created some nice space for a charcoal kiln and smoking rack.
I found an electric jackhammer on my last raid, So I might hack a piece out of the south wall so I need to walk 15 tiles less to refill my water jerrycan. The bed next to the up stairs is for the NPC to sleep on.
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Post by: Sheb on October 03, 2016, 06:32:51 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 03, 2016, 06:34:40 am
EDIT: also, as for the charcoal thing; it looks like sawing a trunk straight into planks instead of into logs further increases the amount of 2x4s you can get out of it.
Post by: Iceblaster on October 03, 2016, 08:11:33 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 03, 2016, 08:36:25 am
Even though there's gazillion ways of making flour, cat tails are nice in that they also yield plant fibers as a byproduct.
EDIT: haha, I barfed (probably because of the low garde meth). I then tried to mop it up by applying a mop while standing on the square.
"You mop yourself up. The universe implodes and reforms around you".
Post by: Iceblaster on October 03, 2016, 10:39:56 am
And yeah. I like the easter eggs relating to using commands on yourself. IIRC, using a lockpick on yourself makes you pick your nose.
EDIT: Random bad idea of the day! Because the bad suggestion thread isn't good enough :P
We already model vitamins and stuff. Why not semi-realistically model weight and height! Make it an option in character creation that can be modified by traits, diet, and stats. Height is static after character gen, but weight will change depending on how well you've been taking care of yourself! No more waiting six days between meals as a normal everyday joe. Because being dangerously underweight's probably a bad thing :P
Post by: Majestic7 on October 04, 2016, 03:48:27 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 04, 2016, 04:11:17 am
Miraculously, the first mine took out a wheel to grey status, the second mine ripped off the remains of that wheel. Except for a few scratches to a windshield, no further damage. I could just drive back home and get that spare tire.
So yeah, I just survived driving over two landmines xD. That's what you get for going 120km/h over unexplored grasslands.
Also, unrelated. NPCs and nail rifles go well together, after some sessions reading markmanship and rifling books out loud. I was kinda hesistant about giving my NPC a ranged weapon, but so far I've not been friendly fired upon yet. And the nail rifle is silent enough to not worry too much about the sound.
I would carry one myself, if the damn thing would only fit in the survivor harness. Neither it, nor the coilgun do, sadly.
EDIT: ohwait! A coilgun does fit in the harness, after adding a folding stock.
Post by: ThtblovesDF on October 04, 2016, 06:27:40 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 04, 2016, 07:05:54 am
On the overmap, they are depicted as +, just like normal shelters, but red instead of white. Usually they're a bit secluded. They're somewhat rare, and arguably one of the best base locations that can be claimed without going through any trouble (except for the finding one part) if you don't like mobile bases.
Sure, labs make for way better bases (if only because of their freezing lower levels which should make food never spoil), but you'd need to access and clear them out first.
Post by: Sheb on October 04, 2016, 07:49:11 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 04, 2016, 01:25:38 pm
Post by: Culise on October 04, 2016, 02:14:26 pm
I just had my first experience with factions. Found an inhabited refugee shelter. Busy doing quests now for them, and the 'Old Guard' representative on site. Good times. Dead bandits. I wonder if my NPC roommate will eat human meat products.Sounds like a much better experience than my first encounter with the refugee center. Molotov-wielding arsonist in the front door + hostile critter (zombie or mi-go; I forget which) behind me = !!FUN!! Thus began and ended my first encounter with the refugee center. :P
Post by: Iceblaster on October 04, 2016, 02:26:50 pm
Also extra stuff :P
Post by: Aseaheru on October 04, 2016, 02:30:51 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on October 04, 2016, 02:34:41 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 04, 2016, 02:49:50 pm
dead campers (random field bodies)
select out-of-town structures
MAYBE mil surplus stores?
honestly it should be craftable if it isnt. its not incredibly complex...
Post by: Iceblaster on October 04, 2016, 02:51:27 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 04, 2016, 02:55:08 pm
(Yes, I actually wasted a good tank of acetylene on just testing the darn lamp).
EDIT: Apparently I unlocked the recipe for plutonium slurry. I now wonder what would happen if I put on my hazmat suit and deposit a nice puddle of it at the feet of an NPC. Will it gain mutations?
EDIT2: Awesome! I managed to build up enough trust with my homie NPC (5 trust, 5 values prescence, 4 fear) that she now accepts joints and handrolled cigarettes, which she didn't before, at 4/4. She did accept package cigarettes and cigars before.
Post by: Iceblaster on October 04, 2016, 03:30:29 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 04, 2016, 04:06:02 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on October 04, 2016, 04:29:41 pm
Post by: Tiruin on October 04, 2016, 11:47:53 pm
I just had my first experience with factions. Found an inhabited refugee shelter. Busy doing quests now for them, and the 'Old Guard' representative on site. Good times. Dead bandits. I wonder if my NPC roommate will eat human meat products.Woaaaaaaa, they implemented factions already? That means the two-way radio I'm so used to dismantling has a nice use? :D May I ask an overview about all this lately? Changelog at least?
Post by: BigD145 on October 04, 2016, 11:49:46 pm
Changelog at least?
The closest you'll get: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/commits/master
Post by: Rince Wind on October 05, 2016, 05:13:17 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 05, 2016, 06:39:44 am
Post by: pisskop on October 05, 2016, 06:45:44 am
soyweiser is doing incredible things for it
Post by: martinuzz on October 05, 2016, 07:01:11 am
Question: will NPCs use foot cranks if I install them under all vehicle seats? If yes, I am so going to make a Flintmobile using wooden frames, foot cranks and rollers :D .
Post by: Iceblaster on October 05, 2016, 08:19:41 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 05, 2016, 09:58:29 am
Post by: Sheb on October 05, 2016, 10:16:06 am
Post by: BigD145 on October 05, 2016, 11:00:49 am
Item browser is your friend.
Electric cars have large batteries that can be disassembled.
Post by: Neonivek on October 05, 2016, 11:03:25 am
Because we will have them in real life : 3
For now I will settle for a "Space Rover" being hidden in the game :P
Err wait not a Space Rover... that car astronauts drive? that thing!
Post by: martinuzz on October 05, 2016, 11:06:34 am
Post by: Neonivek on October 05, 2016, 11:07:43 am
As the only difference between a Space Rover (well the one I was thinking of) an a normal car... is that it either is solar powered or nuclear powered.
If this was a more visual game maybe... but ehh xD
I should learn how to program so I can just put a Space Rover in the game officially... since really it is all about the work.
Post by: BigD145 on October 05, 2016, 11:11:13 am
Also ignore what I said... it would be pointless...
As the only difference between a Space Rover (well the one I was thinking of) an a normal car... is that it either is solar powered or nuclear powered.
If this was a more visual game maybe... but ehh xD
I should learn how to program so I can just put a Space Rover in the game officially... since really it is all about the work.
I had put a wrecked Eagle 5 in way back when. It was plutonium powered. I don't think it made it into DDA.
Post by: Rolan7 on October 05, 2016, 11:15:10 am
I predict in the future this game will have computer cars :PMercedes! (that's a typical expensive car, right?)
Because we will have them in real life : 3
For now I will settle for a "Space Rover" being hidden in the game :P
Err wait not a Space Rover... that car astronauts drive? that thing!
Rover is right though, AFAIK! When it's on the moon (and... at this point, where else would it be) it's a "lunar rover".
Except, as you probably realized, that's very vague because unmanned robots like Curiosity are also called rovers.
Also ignore what I said... it would be pointless...Hm... probably? Rovers I think have huge tires which aren't filled with air, so they're probably mostly bad in full gravity. Even Mars rovers are probably solid rubber, and generally meant for the significantly lesser gravity. Also probably not rideable (well in Cataclysm, maybe humans did get to Mars).
As the only difference between a Space Rover (well the one I was thinking of) an a normal car... is that it either is solar powered or nuclear powered.
If this was a more visual game maybe... but ehh xD
I should learn how to program so I can just put a Space Rover in the game officially... since really it is all about the work.
There certainly are solar-powered cars, though! They don't get enough power for constant use, obviously, but I remember back in the 90's there was a big demonstration of them in my town. Showing off the tech. Most of their surface area was panels.
Post by: NullForceOmega on October 05, 2016, 11:40:57 am
Post by: n9103 on October 05, 2016, 01:11:39 pm
Official name is Lunar Roving Vehicle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle).
It would be nonfunctional on earth, due to the difference in gravity. A modified version to beef up various structures would work, though would be little different than any other dune buggy, except for some minor navigation (pre-inertial) and radio (transmitter) features.
Post by: martinuzz on October 05, 2016, 04:37:44 pm
EDIT: holy mother of KABOOM! I must remember to not try and use that at less than 10 tiles away from my target. That hurt. Awesome bang for 40 UPS charge.
Sadly, the target dummy, a tree, remains unscathed. It does kill small trees though.
Post by: pisskop on October 05, 2016, 04:43:57 pm
Standby for this. Or at least a 'Machine Cult' or 'cyborg security guard' or 'vat-grown guard' kind of thing.
Wow, its really hard to justify somebody replacing their arm in a free society.
Post by: Rince Wind on October 05, 2016, 04:55:41 pm
So yeah, replacement for limbs lost in the service to evil megacorp A, with no strings attached. Really! Totally not just because there is an apocalypse going on.
What I would love would be some still functioning corp, like Umbrella in the Resident Evil franchise.
Post by: Akura on October 05, 2016, 04:58:53 pm
Look at the guy from the new Deus Ex games whose name I've forgotten!
Adam Jensen. He never asked for this.
Post by: pisskop on October 05, 2016, 08:51:18 pm
EDIT: holy mother of KABOOM! I must remember to not try and use that at less than 10 tiles away from my target. That hurt. Awesome bang for 40 UPS charge.
Sadly, the target dummy, a tree, remains unscathed. It does kill small trees though.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It looks like it does a lot of direct hit damage. But it quickly drops down. I took more from the falling roof than it, and this debug character is a lumberjack with 8s for stats, and no skills.
Post by: Neonivek on October 05, 2016, 09:09:31 pm
It would be nonfunctional on earth, due to the difference in gravity.
I believe they are functional on earth... unless there is something I don't know.
For the MOST part they wouldn't want to create something that couldn't be tested on earth.
It might not have great acceleration mind you...
Look at the guy from the new Deus Ex games whose name I've forgotten!
So yeah, replacement for limbs lost in the service to evil megacorp A, with no strings attached. Really! Totally not just because there is an apocalypse going on.
What I would love would be some still functioning corp, like Umbrella in the Resident Evil franchise.
I actually agree with this sentiment.
The way I always see Cataclysm is "What destroyed the earth?"... "Everything!" basically every apoc-post-apoc scenario in a blender.
A evil corperation that destroyed the earth? (along with the current evil government) totally fits.
Post by: n9103 on October 05, 2016, 10:37:34 pm
Well, upon further research, you're *technically* correct. (the best kind, I know ;))It would be nonfunctional on earth, due to the difference in gravity.I believe they are functional on earth... unless there is something I don't know.
For the MOST part they wouldn't want to create something that couldn't be tested on earth.
It might not have great acceleration mind you...
It appears that the Buggy's structure wouldn't outright fail under load on Earth... but you'd lose in a race against a grocery store scooter.
If a cripple would rather go on foot, what difference is there from being nonfunctional? :P
Post by: Neonivek on October 05, 2016, 11:54:54 pm
how would an evil corporation add anything new exactly? What could they have that would widen the scope of the game in a positive way? hmmm...
Post by: Kaitol on October 06, 2016, 12:06:12 am
Totally forgot what I intended to post about in the first place. Could it be possible to make Carnivore characters not get a penalty for eating offal?
Post by: jocan2003 on October 06, 2016, 01:24:13 am
... but you'd lose in a race against a grocery store scooter.http://images.oobject.com/thumbdir/thumbnails/f/57/f574d98a39e74322aa42c6b2e11af7fe-orig
If a cripple would rather go on foot, what difference is there from being nonfunctional? :P
Post by: Neonivek on October 06, 2016, 01:46:50 am
Post by: Majestic7 on October 06, 2016, 02:12:36 am
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on October 06, 2016, 02:16:29 am
Post by: Majestic7 on October 06, 2016, 04:13:08 am
1) Leaders of the world belonged to a cult that purposefully opened portals to let the Old Ones through and stuff.
2) EvilGovernment experimented with EvilTech in an attempt to mindcontrol people for Evil.
3) EvilCorporation did it for Greater Profit and it went a little wrong, but no worries, we have a plan.
4) EvilGov or EvilCorp did it on purpose to accelerate human evolution or to cleanse the Earth or something like that, they have a plan to repopulate in their image.
5) Aliens! ALIENS!
Then yeah, like with #3 you'd get the orbital station with the cybernetic Koch brothers and what not while with #1 you'd find places where the cult did nefarious rituals etc.
Post by: Akura on October 06, 2016, 04:32:37 am
Spoiler: There's already an explanation (click to show/hide)
By the way, does the player's body store nutrients? As in, if I eat a little more of a vitamin in a day, do I not have to worry about getting the full amount the next day? Or does the nutrient counter reset every day?
Post by: martinuzz on October 06, 2016, 05:11:30 am
Post by: ThtblovesDF on October 06, 2016, 06:28:21 am
I would like to have zombie firefighters that still attempt to fight fires, as my main way of dealing with any issue is setting it on fire.
Post by: Majestic7 on October 06, 2016, 07:11:29 am
Spoiler: There's already an explanation (click to show/hide)
I'm aware of the explanation, what I'm talking about would be it being different in different worlds, which would alter the game experience in certain ways while keeping the basic elements. It would add to replayability and excitement and whatnot.
Of course easy for me to say when I'm not doing anything for the project. :P
Post by: n9103 on October 06, 2016, 08:42:57 am
Doesn't seem *too* hard on the surface. Implementing the randomization and integrating/swapping the in-game lore to match up would probably be the hardest parts.
Post by: pisskop on October 06, 2016, 12:13:28 pm
Post by: Kaitol on October 06, 2016, 03:01:33 pm
Post by: BigD145 on October 06, 2016, 03:44:06 pm
Why do slingshots make 37 noise when they fire? I thought it would be quiet, which is why I tried to snipe a shrieker zombie with it at night. Didn't go quite as well as I'd hoped.
A wrist rocket would be similar to bb gun for noise.
Post by: martinuzz on October 06, 2016, 04:37:41 pm
Also, is it me, or are engines a tad overpowered? A single V6 gasoline engine shouldn't be able to pull my 7x11 heavy frame 10000kg mobile base at a safe speed of over 100km/h (acceleration 12). At Fuel efficiency 4. It's not even a V8.
EDIT: ohwait, I forgot to turn off the second v6. Still, with one v6 it has a safe speed of 83 acceleration 7.
Post by: Tiruin on October 07, 2016, 12:11:51 am
Sadly, it is not possible to install more than one foot pedal per vehicle. So no NPC powered Flintmobile.I think these also depend a LOT on the wheels you use :P The engine does provide the force used to push the vehicle...but the support that makes it move along also matters just as much.
Also, is it me, or are engines a tad overpowered? A single V6 gasoline engine shouldn't be able to pull my 7x11 heavy frame 10000kg mobile base at a safe speed of over 100km/h (acceleration 12). At Fuel efficiency 4. It's not even a V8.
EDIT: ohwait, I forgot to turn off the second v6. Still, with one v6 it has a safe speed of 83 acceleration 7.
In at least that's what I can say--having used tiny tiny wheels and wondering why my nice solar engine doesn't make it move well :I
Post by: martinuzz on October 07, 2016, 02:42:04 am
Post by: Damiac on October 07, 2016, 08:56:48 am
When a normal gun is fired, the gunpowder in the bullet case is detonated, creating lots of pressure behind the bullet. The pressure pushes the projectile down the barrel and out at high speed. Then the unobstructed high pressure exits the barrel, and violently decompresses, making a very loud "BANG". A suppressor gives an additional section of barrel with lots of holes (wildly oversimplified, I know) in it to make the decompression less sudden and violent, and thus less loud.
When a pneumatic gun is fired, a valve is opened, creating lots of pressure behind the bullet. The pressure pushes the projectile down the barrel and out at high speed. Then the unobstructed high pressure exits the barrel, and violently decompresses, but for no apparent reason in CDDA, it does not make a very loud "BANG".
Am I missing something? When I open the valve to dump the 110 psi that runs the machine I'm working on, and all that pressure vents into the atmosphere, you know what happens? It goes "BANG". Because the mechanical engineers never specify a silencer... I assume a gun using compressed air would need quite a bit more than 110 psi to achieve a decent velocity, but even if it was only 110 psi that is certainly not silent, even with a suppressor!
Post by: n9103 on October 07, 2016, 09:13:59 am
There's at least one magnitude of difference between the pressures involved.
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 07, 2016, 10:33:02 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 07, 2016, 10:34:54 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Life's good in the Apocalypse.
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Post by: IcyTea31 on October 07, 2016, 10:55:33 am
Post by: Iceblaster on October 07, 2016, 11:11:47 am
drunkenly cuddle the npc and wake up not wanting to discuss it ever again in the future.
'Urist McNPC is acting awkwardly in your presence!' :P
Post by: Rolan7 on October 07, 2016, 04:29:19 pm
Post by: Akura on October 07, 2016, 04:53:58 pm
Recruited my first NPC. Her name is Spathi Pkeloucht. She's been well-behaved so far, though she refuses to use the steel spear I made for her, saying her crossbow is better.
Post by: martinuzz on October 07, 2016, 06:53:05 pm
Post by: Tawa on October 07, 2016, 07:49:17 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 07, 2016, 07:57:37 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 07, 2016, 08:30:33 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 07, 2016, 08:58:32 pm
I found a running hatchback, then found a pharmacy with 30 prozac. Went to a plantation and had fun as a ... 'something' spawned in the grain silo and kept screaming until I made some cancelling headgear.
I left the farm on day 4, with half the npcs dead and one of them dropping a crossbow. They all died the natural way; that is not by bug/headexplusion. I took that and use that to take down a few manhacks. A military turret spawned north of the farm and a scientists spawn saw 3 scientists spamming their manhacks. I think, dont know for sure, that each time they revive they get their internal ammo back, and manhacks are actually internal ammo... they use them like ammo and the game tracks it as ammo.
Anywho, Ive got level 3 tailoring and a fireaxe and a crossbow, and some drugs I dont need and some prozac and a busted but running cop car.
I got my cop car after I plowed willingly into a turret at 120kmh. the hatchback needed to go and I didnt have the health to risk it any other way.
As it was an npc came up to me after and got pissed cuz I was deaf and shot at me with his M1. nearly took off my arm too.
So now, Im standing in by a mine, at the tail end of my DTs, and I just got spit on by a dark wyrm. Theyre still really really easy to kill, but at least they are more glass cannony than completely blind and useless chumps.
Post by: Akura on October 08, 2016, 05:17:22 am
Post by: Salmeuk on October 08, 2016, 05:37:55 am
Discovered that you can 'a'pply a hoe to plow the land, and it only takes a minute or so. Up to now I've been using the construction menu, and that takes at least 20 minutes.
I imagine this as the moment your character discovers the metal end of the hoe is the part you dig with.
Post by: martinuzz on October 08, 2016, 06:00:07 am
Discovered that you can 'a'pply a hoe to plow the land, and it only takes a minute or so. Up to now I've been using the construction menu, and that takes at least 20 minutes.I had that moment last week :D
You know you've been hoarding too much if transferring the stuff from your LMOE into your new mobile base takes 4 rl hours.
BUT IT DOES FIT
Post by: Neonivek on October 08, 2016, 06:07:11 am
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So now, Im standing in by a mine, at the tail end of my DTs, and I just got spit on by a dark wyrm. Theyre still really really easy to kill, but at least they are more glass cannony than completely blind and useless chumps
Well in all fairness most mythological creatures aren't particularly hardy against modern weapons without the "Modern Day Upgrade" that many games love to do.
Post by: martinuzz on October 08, 2016, 01:06:18 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on October 08, 2016, 02:12:51 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 08, 2016, 02:21:54 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2016, 02:52:41 pm
Post by: Akura on October 08, 2016, 04:15:19 pm
Post by: Azated on October 08, 2016, 04:36:11 pm
Real men wield a mininuke(active) as a melee weapon.
Tried that once. It didn't even kill the hulk I was fighting. :(
Post by: Flying Dice on October 08, 2016, 04:39:42 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 08, 2016, 07:28:10 pm
Still, it would be an awesome find for characters less CBM-inclined than I am. It is large enough to allow mutated anatomy.
Post by: pisskop on October 09, 2016, 06:33:13 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 09, 2016, 07:58:17 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 09, 2016, 06:45:07 pm
What.
Did you guys add roaming herds of cats while I wasn't playing?
Post by: pisskop on October 09, 2016, 07:48:10 pm
yes, herds of cats are free to scour the underbrush now that anything larger than a coyote gets blobnommed.
one of the little touches that establish lore
Post by: Flying Dice on October 09, 2016, 08:51:41 pm
Also, despite how much of a pain it is, I like the change to molotov lighting to make them less reliable to use. Though it is annoying that you can't just grab liquor bottles off the shelves, soak and stuff rags with them, and be ready to rock -- high proof liquor isn't the best fuel and the lack of thickening agent doesn't help, but it does work after a fashion IRL. Shame there's no distinction between making one properly and doing the lazy liquor store robber approach.
Post by: pisskop on October 09, 2016, 09:45:29 pm
they get uppity about 'items being similar'
piss has successfully used bear traps to hunt. dogs, in this case, and raccoons in the previous. though the dogs actually lived.
nailboards would work too, but a dead animal rots while a living one is like a foodbank all summer
Post by: Flying Dice on October 09, 2016, 10:27:48 pm
It's a small thing on the grand scope, but... that paradigm already exists in a lot of places in the game, yanno? Cheap and easy option that you can throw together in five minutes. Better crafted option which requires some degree of resource-searching, skill leveling, and time. High-end manufactured option (which I suppose in this case would be an incendiary grenade or something).
Post by: Azated on October 10, 2016, 12:19:29 am
And yeah, herds of cats have been in for a while. It's always endearing to see a flock of the things follow me around the wilderness. Makes me think that some parts of the world are untouched by the nastiness of the apocalypse.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 10, 2016, 12:23:29 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 10, 2016, 12:29:32 am
devs seem to disapprove of the idea, tbh.I know this makes me sound like an ignorant asshole, but why then is there a lesser-quality reloaded version of every single ammo type?
they get uppity about 'items being similar'
Post by: Tiruin on October 10, 2016, 06:32:03 am
The hand-loaded ammo? :O (I'm outdated by a few versions, excuse my lacking updatedness!) Isn't this more sensible because it can be crafted compared to the factory-made 'regular' ammunition?devs seem to disapprove of the idea, tbh.I know this makes me sound like an ignorant asshole, but why then is there a lesser-quality reloaded version of every single ammo type?
they get uppity about 'items being similar'
Also items can pretty much be edited by the player :P The ones that have effects stored as JSON, not so much (I recall that one post I asked a few stacks of pages ago that queried to adjusting Bionics or adding custom ones. Since they're in a JSON{?} file, they are hard to edit)
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 10, 2016, 06:58:22 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 10, 2016, 07:06:25 am
Post by: Majestic7 on October 10, 2016, 07:11:18 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 10, 2016, 07:23:43 am
A shared 1st place for Krav Maga (bonus to cutting damage, try this with a nodachi haha) and Pentjak Silat (shines with piercing damage short blades. The amount of crits is real nice).
Then there's eskrima. Don't really like it. It gives a ton of fast, low damage attacks with knife and baton weapons. I haven't tried it with a baton yet, it might be good there. With a knife, I'd rather use Silat.
There's other styles too that allow for weapons, but most are really restricted (as in, you can only use thematic weapons)
EDIT: ooh! learned something new today. You can smash glass shards (the item). It destroys them completely. Thought (s)mash only worked on constructions.
Post by: Darkmere on October 10, 2016, 09:13:11 am
Edit: Niten Ichi-Ryu
Post by: pisskop on October 10, 2016, 09:47:03 am
i tried to add solid shafts of ironsteel (like those from ironbar doors and guard rails and the cemetery they didnt want to add) and it was shut down for being 'like rebar'.
rebar is so rare they force the arsonist to spawn it
Post by: pisskop on October 10, 2016, 09:49:04 am
its significantly weaker than factory packed rounds
Post by: martinuzz on October 10, 2016, 10:57:27 am
10h to disassemble a broken tank drone. Had to do it, didn't have a flamethrower yet.
Post by: Majestic7 on October 10, 2016, 12:09:53 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 10, 2016, 12:19:30 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 10, 2016, 12:44:54 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 10, 2016, 01:02:36 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 10, 2016, 01:06:18 pm
^^
molotov talk. Just one of a few.
Post by: Baffler on October 10, 2016, 03:31:45 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 10, 2016, 03:37:56 pm
Also. Holy mother of lolwut. Using vehicles addon mod, just found a portal generator and turned it into a cargo dimension in my vehicle.
Really? 1 million volume? Equals one thousand cargo containers? That's awesome and ridiculous at the same time. My inner hoarder is drooling uncontrollably.
Hmm I wonder if it's cold in that pocket dimension.. <stows spoilable food into cargo dimension>
Post by: Azated on October 10, 2016, 06:37:40 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on October 10, 2016, 07:40:38 pm
I know at least 3 that go well with weapons.
A shared 1st place for Krav Maga (bonus to cutting damage, try this with a nodachi haha) and Pentjak Silat (shines with piercing damage short blades. The amount of crits is real nice).
Then there's eskrima. Don't really like it. It gives a ton of fast, low damage attacks with knife and baton weapons. I haven't tried it with a baton yet, it might be good there. With a knife, I'd rather use Silat.
There's other styles too that allow for weapons, but most are really restricted (as in, you can only use thematic weapons)
EDIT: ooh! learned something new today. You can smash glass shards (the item). It destroys them completely. Thought (s)mash only worked on constructions.
Eskrima really shines when you have a weapon with the stun quality. Fast strikes = more stuns = less zombies swinging at you. Eskrima really is meant to be used with weapons like the cudgel.
Post by: pisskop on October 10, 2016, 08:59:36 pm
^^ obligatory push of my patch is obligatory. And now Im trying to use git for my own ease of use.
Post by: martinuzz on October 11, 2016, 05:10:36 am
And has the vehicles addon mod been incorporated into the experimental builds, or do you still need to turn it on in the mod screen when genning a new world?
Post by: Sheb on October 11, 2016, 08:27:55 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 11, 2016, 08:59:50 am
Post by: pisskop on October 11, 2016, 02:00:18 pm
For raisins. many raisins.
This particular patch is about adding in cyborgs enough to go around. I put in a few kinds of 'old' cyborgs, ala robocop movement patterns.
Im working on adding a 410 shotgun just because I want to fire mini-shotgun shells from a revolver. :} And a lever action one doesnt sound bad, even if its lower damage.
Im also getting around to making the doomweapons. Butt to be honest theyre too spoopy and scifi for me.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 11, 2016, 02:24:35 pm
Post by: Damiac on October 11, 2016, 02:52:50 pm
Have you ever poured vodka on a flat surface, and lit it? You get a pale blue flame, not hot enough to burn anything on top of it, and beneath that a layer of mostly regular old water. It doesn't even get hot enough to boil the water! This would hardly be enough to cause someone physical pain, let alone do any meaningful damage.
A real molotov cocktail uses gasoline. Gasoline burns much hotter than 80 proof alcohol, and also isn't full of water to put its own fire out. They shouldn't even let you make molotovs out of regular old liquor. And a gasoline soaked rag is NOT just going to go out, whether or not it's raining.
Now, super high proof stuff might work a little better, but it's still not going to be anywhere near as good as gasoline.
So either there should be "Make-shift molotovs" made of alcohol, seperate from the real ones, or making molotovs with alcohol should just be removed. At that point they could lose the whole going out all the time thing...
Post by: Aseaheru on October 11, 2016, 03:20:12 pm
Post by: Tawa on October 11, 2016, 03:56:42 pm
So either there should be "Make-shift molotovs" made of alcohol, seperate from the real onesI suggested this and Kevin was all "no, it won't be good incendiary fuel". Because, you know, I was suggesting that you use good incendiary fuel to create a crappy, last-resort version of a molotov.
Not to mention the guy who said that because Molotov cocktails were already makeshift weapons makeshift Molotovs were redundant and therefore impossible (???)
Post by: Darkmere on October 11, 2016, 03:59:08 pm
Post by: Damiac on October 11, 2016, 03:59:52 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on October 11, 2016, 04:00:23 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 11, 2016, 04:11:26 pm
but I will say Im not actually 'banned' from adding to the mod. I simply refuse to while they refuse to integrate a specific portion.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 11, 2016, 05:47:19 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 11, 2016, 08:43:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Them migos and grackes are apparently doing a number on his 12bashing armor.
In other news, I am not. Ive discovered that a few days ago they refactored the melee code, and now my 2melee heavy skick wielding naked rump is not the best suited to smack dead guys upside the head to death.
2x4s are much better now, whereas before it was pretty arguable. This guy survived by
A: not getting mobbed by zeds leaving his burning house
B: using a pointy stick and scrounging - I mean utterly digging the gum off your shoe to eat it scrounging - sheets and stuff until he got a shopping cart.
C: Not getting cheeky with the item hording or going for shops. Usually Id go 3 streets in to get to a sporting goods store on night 1.
D: finding a boomer with a flashlight on it.
p:
Ahh, it only got better. I have a handcannon I found on me with 6 shots. Since I made the cop I know what and when he will do things, and I figured I could take him, and loot the military gear.
hahahaha
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Never say I dont test my own creations and spawn lists. that jabberwock is a 1 in like 500 chance when the red moon rises of actually spawning on day1.
Post by: Kaitol on October 12, 2016, 01:08:49 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 12, 2016, 07:58:12 am
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn127/martinuzzz/turretworks_zpsr3qhnssu.png) (http://s303.photobucket.com/user/martinuzzz/media/turretworks_zpsr3qhnssu.png.html)
Remains one question: I installed a .223 rack on the same tile. Will this draw ammo from anywhere in the vehicle to reload the turret automatically?
Because what I did now, was load a STANAG drum magazine with NATO tracers by hand, and then use that loaded magazine to reload the turret manually.
EDIT: this is how the tile is set up. Ammo is in the stow boards behind the seats. Will the .223 rack draw from that?
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Post by: pisskop on October 12, 2016, 02:27:22 pm
For some reason when I pry open a crate in the latest experimentals, its creating a nothing tile, like there's no floor, except it isn't even open air, like a hole down, it's literally a nothing tile.I actually just added a bitty to let people pry open coffins, so...
>.>
<.<
I did a dirty update and it is working fine for me. I havent heard anyone else mention it. and it is certainly possible that a clean recompile of the code will make the error occur...
Post by: martinuzz on October 12, 2016, 04:34:26 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on October 12, 2016, 04:43:03 pm
So cool!
Post by: Darkmere on October 12, 2016, 06:32:59 pm
Post by: ollobrains on October 12, 2016, 07:26:56 pm
Im not going into it.
but I will say Im not actually 'banned' from adding to the mod. I simply refuse to while they refuse to integrate a specific portion.
what u could do is continue work on fine tuning the mod u created, adding new elements maybe even the underlying code and if a new branch is needed then so be it or put pressure on consideration im sure this thread is always good for new ideas
Post by: pisskop on October 12, 2016, 09:02:16 pm
Spoiler: Very Scary Zombies (click to show/hide)
Post by: ShinQuickMan on October 12, 2016, 11:00:57 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on October 12, 2016, 11:15:05 pm
Also, I really hope this is just as stupid a question as I think it is, but did you try fighting with just your fists?
Post by: Rince Wind on October 13, 2016, 05:20:06 am
Post by: pisskop on October 13, 2016, 05:38:39 am
you can *dis*able focus conversion to potential xp for a skill. by using the character menu(@) and tabbing to skills and using exclamation point(!) over a skill, all activities utilizing that skill will stop draining focus and stop granting xp
Post by: Rince Wind on October 13, 2016, 06:26:42 am
Doesn't sound like something I will do, though I see where it might come in handy.
Post by: Damiac on October 13, 2016, 08:05:22 am
Post by: ShinQuickMan on October 13, 2016, 09:26:22 am
Well, there are books on it.
Also, I really hope this is just as stupid a question as I think it is, but did you try fighting with just your fists?
Already knew of the skill books, and I was indeed unarmed and had a martial arts style activated. Maybe the starting Finger Razors bionics is messing something up? Gonna check this out...
EDIT: Nope, just tried different starts and starting stats/skills. The unarmed skill still won't go up no matter how many times I whack an enemy.
Post by: Rince Wind on October 13, 2016, 10:03:51 am
Post by: ShinQuickMan on October 13, 2016, 10:42:46 am
For the record, I'm using the latest version (0.C-5702) on Linux console with simpllified vitamins mod installed.
Post by: martinuzz on October 14, 2016, 10:32:15 am
EDIT: sad. I managed to kill some big worms for the Old Guard, and for my next mission I got instated as a marshall. They even gave me a gun and a badge.
Sad, because the mission failed to spawn and threw an error instead. I guess I won't be able to go and kill a raider base :(
Post by: Sinlessmoon on October 15, 2016, 01:51:40 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 15, 2016, 01:55:13 pm
Spoiler: these (click to show/hide)
and oc my own mod
Post by: Sinlessmoon on October 15, 2016, 01:57:55 pm
I've just recently gotten back into Cata and I can usually survive a couple of days but I usually die pretty quickly after that. Do you have any suggestions on what to do in the start of the game? (The wiki is woefully outdated)
Post by: pisskop on October 15, 2016, 02:02:27 pm
In general, priorities are:
-Running away from things
-Getting armor and warmth
-Getting a weapon
-Killing things
-Getting food and water for the immediate future
-Getting a flashlight/hacksaw/wrench
-Getting a working car or the books you want for your skills
-Getting water and food for the future
-Gaining skills
I do nighttime starts, which means that leaving my burning house is the most dangerous part of my start.
A few days into the game Im still reading UtH or Sewing up a suit of decent armor. I dont night raid without a car, and I scout in the day for a night raid.
Nighttime is much, much more dangerous now that zombies can smell and hear better. All monsters can but its most evident in them because I used to duck and weave through town.
Post by: Sinlessmoon on October 15, 2016, 02:20:01 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 15, 2016, 02:29:52 pm
Well. Getting a car has been made harder. Theres faulty engines, more cars have less useful things on them, and skillgain is somewhat slower.
Deathmobiles are a thing of the distant future. I think the last time I got one up and running it was a partial conversion and it took a season. From winter to spring year 2 I did nothing but puttputt in my car.
Its important to have a place to put your crap. A shopping cart does well at first, theres tents all over the place, and if you get a running car you can really go anywhere. Its really about what you wanna do.
iirc you do LPs of this.
So, get into a world. Make a base in the woods using a tent, and see if you feel okay LPing your way through it. Tents can be found at campsites.
but, youre asking for very vague advise. Specifics are much better.
Post by: Sinlessmoon on October 15, 2016, 02:38:14 pm
but, youre asking for very vague advise. Specifics are much better.
That I am, sorry about that. :P
Just never been good at the game and I'm not sure what to ask lol.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 15, 2016, 04:07:50 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on October 15, 2016, 04:10:01 pm
This is not critique as such, I've sunk a lot of hours in Cataclysm - it is just that once survival is no longer a challenge, I lose interest in playing the character. Perhaps one day we get long term goals or attachments to settlements and stuff, starting up settlements of ouir own.
Mind you, I don't even use vehicles because controlling them is something I've never bothered to learn. When I explore away from base, I just carry enough to survive walking and try to avoid megamonsies.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 15, 2016, 04:17:55 pm
Post by: Lukewarm on October 15, 2016, 08:36:23 pm
The entire front hallway of what used to be my house is rubble.
Life's tough in the Cataclysm.
Post by: BigD145 on October 16, 2016, 12:31:15 am
Controlling vehicles isint that hard, atleast when using the numpad and with a stable design.
The direction marker out front also helps.
Post by: Baffler on October 16, 2016, 12:29:25 pm
A moose just kicked me through a wall, collapsing part of the roof and bumping me 70 points up in pain, up to 118.
The entire front hallway of what used to be my house is rubble.
Life's tough in the Cataclysm.
Jesus Christ, that moose knows kung-fu.
I think priorities depend on game style. I tend to take night vision and scout during day for interesting map locations, raid them during night. Then I spend days in my shelter/base reading books and sleeping, maybe setting up traps. I usually get bored and quit before building mobile base or something, since after a certain point just surviving loses its appeal.
This is not critique as such, I've sunk a lot of hours in Cataclysm - it is just that once survival is no longer a challenge, I lose interest in playing the character. Perhaps one day we get long term goals or attachments to settlements and stuff, starting up settlements of ouir own.
NPC's are kind of a mess right now. From what I gather there isn't really anyone who has both the knowledge and inclination to poke at them and make them more interesting, or even just fix the broken features that are already in. To make matters worse, someone will occasionally make a pass at some issue, abandon the effort halfway through, and leave code artifacts behind that need to be cleaned up by the next person. As much as I'd like to see NPC settlements and a realized faction system, I'm not really even holding out hope that the bulletin board will be fixed anytime soon.
Post by: Tawa on October 16, 2016, 12:50:41 pm
Refugee centers are the only thing that's reasonably playable, and even then there's a lot of issues, like "guards" spawning as unarmed wimps with no combat skill, NPCs locking themselves out of the building with the only way to coax them back inside being moving a non-pulped corpse into their line of sight, or the Arsonist destroying the building when they try to help fight zombies that got inside.
Post by: i2amroy on October 16, 2016, 01:10:56 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 16, 2016, 01:56:52 pm
#excitebike
Post by: Iceblaster on October 16, 2016, 02:09:05 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on October 17, 2016, 12:48:58 am
Post by: Shadowgandor on October 17, 2016, 08:18:35 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 17, 2016, 08:33:37 am
Post by: Greiger on October 17, 2016, 08:53:45 am
I was suddenly inspired to try to find a youtube clip or an image of Bullwinkle in a kung-fu or karate gi. But either no such thing exists or it's not considered internet worthy enough.A moose just kicked me through a wall, collapsing part of the roof and bumping me 70 points up in pain, up to 118.Jesus Christ, that moose knows kung-fu.
The entire front hallway of what used to be my house is rubble.
Life's tough in the Cataclysm.
Post by: pisskop on October 17, 2016, 09:02:23 am
but alas, Bullwinkle is not modern
Post by: Culise on October 17, 2016, 09:50:28 am
Spoiler: We'll just have to settle for Wing Chun (click to show/hide)
Post by: Crazy Horse on October 17, 2016, 10:47:37 am
Post by: BigD145 on October 17, 2016, 10:50:17 am
I heard something about multi z-level maps being planned. Hopefully that's still on the horizon. I might get back into this when a new build is released.
So far today, 5 new builds have been released. What are you waiting for?
Post by: Crazy Horse on October 17, 2016, 12:36:09 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 17, 2016, 02:30:30 pm
Post by: BigD145 on October 17, 2016, 02:43:54 pm
The next letter of the alphabet. Also muffins.
Alphabets are for chumps that like old bugs that have since been fixed.
Post by: beorn080 on October 17, 2016, 04:16:28 pm
It will be 0.E just to caw you fishThis isn't a Sierra game.
Post by: ollobrains on October 17, 2016, 05:50:02 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on October 17, 2016, 05:53:34 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 17, 2016, 05:55:18 pm
or living out of a car?
or caves?
foxholes might be nice though
Post by: BigD145 on October 17, 2016, 06:06:04 pm
Post by: AlStar on October 20, 2016, 11:59:08 pm
I've actually yet to play a 'traditional' survivor - everyone I play tends to be either a forgotten shower survivor or, in more recent games, a mall cop or a student.
I'll try not to bore those of you who have probably played this to death, but so far my fondest memories are (in no particular order):
Escaping from the mall with my security guard, finding a truck that worked, and driving it through the mall parking lot (with the hope that I could escape to the suburbs and set up shop) ... until I found that there are a _lot_ of zombies spawned around malls, and after the second dozen-or-so was plowed under my vehicle , I lost a wheel. The truck came to a halt due to lack of wheels, and I ran through a nearby forest, pursued by a pack of zombies, until I came to a bit of road. It just so happened that a ruined APC was on that tile, so I was planning to make that my home base, but I had no source of water. I walked towards the nearest house (to find, at least, a toilet with some water I could boil), but ran into a soldier zombie. As I didn't know how to run yet (whoops) I tried to fight him, but my weapon didn't inflict more than a handful of damage on a hit. I ended up running out of stamina, RIP.
A towel survivor who found a working fire truck, decking herself out in full firefighter garb, then planned to drive the truck out of the middle of the town that she found herself in - huge stocks of water and storage space! - except that driving out of town required multiple re-routes due to broken cars or ruined buildings... just as I was about to leave the town, I hit one last zombie... which apparently was a zombie-too-far, breaking the square of structure of the truck where I was driving, throwing me in front of the vehicle just before it ran over me at 60 mph.
My most recent game is as a missed submissive. Things have been going pretty well so far, but the most hilarious thing that happened so far is that, after securing a working vehicle, I was looting all the nearby buildings, including a liqueur store. I found an entire wooden barrel of whiskey, and while trying to figure out how to transport the thing, I accidentally filled an entire gas tank full of single malt whiskey. Sadly, I don't think that the engine will run off of it.
Post by: RedKing on October 21, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Found a house with several beds in one room, and chock full of zombie children, many of whom were wearing skirts and which dropped either boxes of cookies or chocolate bars.
Morale penalty was so bad after bludgeoning them all to (second) death with a crowbar, but then I got back to base and ate their cookies and chocolate and washed it down with some vodka. So I felt better.
I hit one last zombie... which apparently was a zombie-too-far, breaking the square of structure of the truck where I was driving, throwing me in front of the vehicle just before it ran over me at 60 mph.That. Is. Epic.
Post by: Egan_BW on October 21, 2016, 10:52:23 pm
Post by: RedKing on October 21, 2016, 11:17:34 pm
And then I slept it off and I was fine.
Post by: Rolan7 on October 21, 2016, 11:18:34 pm
Post by: RedKing on October 21, 2016, 11:36:20 pm
They're wafer thin~So were the zombie girls after I got done with them >_>
Post by: Flying Dice on October 21, 2016, 11:51:13 pm
Post by: Akura on October 22, 2016, 04:23:34 am
And then they became zombies.
Post by: martinuzz on October 22, 2016, 06:11:27 am
Post by: Iceblaster on October 22, 2016, 09:19:31 am
Make America Great Again!
Anyways, I've been playing on and off. Seems whenever I get established I don't play as much. Plus, the cataclysm server from Nazca being back, meeeh. Any suggestions to make that motel interesting? Because I have no idea where to go from here. There's a motorcycle out front, but it's pretty much a no-go at the moment. Don't have enough mechanics skill or books to fix it. No libraries AFAIK.
Post by: Kaitol on October 24, 2016, 12:47:25 pm
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Post by: pisskop on October 24, 2016, 12:49:17 pm
they try to path up stairs but "suddenly" they find themselves on a new zlevel and the game freaks out.
theyre trying to fix it now
which is funny, because just yesterday a guy got headshotted by a helicoptor drone that spawned in a field, flew up above his head, and popped it like a balloon.
Post by: pisskop on October 24, 2016, 05:56:22 pm
Pisskop is making acidrain come back. make it rain on dem hoes.
Ive also been trying to make mutagen more appealing and less cheesy by making it found more commonly (in appropriate sites, such as scientist copses or drug dealers) and by making it craftable at lower levels Like 3 cooking.
the catch is Ive made it harder to craft purifier. It takes 7 skill, which is fine, but also takes royal jelly each time - no questions asked. now you cant so easily make a barrel of purifier and chug it down.
Post by: Iceblaster on October 24, 2016, 06:01:30 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 24, 2016, 06:07:03 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
by the time you are skill8 youre at endgame or a grinder.
Post by: Aseaheru on October 24, 2016, 07:02:00 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 25, 2016, 07:43:51 am
EDIT: only works when the NPC is positioned on the cart tile with a swap position command, and breaks with a non-fatal error message when you try to make too steep a turn.
Post by: IcyTea31 on October 25, 2016, 07:56:20 am
Post by: pisskop on October 25, 2016, 04:53:55 pm
Spoiler: A mancubus and pisskop are staring at each other through a windshield (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on October 25, 2016, 04:54:35 pm
Post by: Akura on October 25, 2016, 04:58:50 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 25, 2016, 05:30:25 pm
http://img15.deviantart.net/aff3/i/2011/027/c/4/mancubus_with_background_by_kornkidsam-d1epn0v.jpg
^^ thats a pretty good drawing of what they were in Doom3.
Ive gone and added armor to some physiological changing mutations. Ive also added more categories to some.
Post by: Kaitol on October 27, 2016, 12:47:14 am
Post by: Majestic7 on October 27, 2016, 12:49:58 am
Post by: scriver on October 27, 2016, 04:41:26 am
Post by: pisskop on October 27, 2016, 08:57:04 am
Post by: Aseaheru on October 27, 2016, 12:55:33 pm
Post by: Greiger on October 28, 2016, 11:52:41 am
Wouldn't it be possible to have the game see if a building lacks a roof layer and just check for walls and tiles with the roof or ceiling flag that prevents it from raining on those tiles, and just generate a basic flat roof on the floor above those?
EDIT: I mean yea, I'm sure there is a reason why it wouldn't work or else it would have been done already, I'm just kinda curious why it does not.
Post by: pisskop on October 28, 2016, 01:20:51 pm
Post by: martinuzz on October 30, 2016, 05:04:32 pm
Post by: Kaitol on November 01, 2016, 01:12:39 am
When you 'e' a friendly blob can you make it so we can.... hug it...
A ... head?pat is also an acceptable alternative.
Post by: Rince Wind on November 01, 2016, 05:45:10 am
Is it me, or does smoking marijuana with a pipe, or smoking a joint guarantuee falling asleep when needed? It never failed me whenever I needed to go to sleep before the tired debuff shows up onscreen. I haven't tried it with the insomnia trait though.I usually use cough drugs for that.
Post by: Iceblaster on November 01, 2016, 07:33:45 am
So I've been using goo canisters to ward off manhacks and such in a lab challenge and... I have a request.
When you 'e' a friendly blob can you make it so we can.... hug it...
A ... head?pat is also an acceptable alternative.
To add on to this, maybe we should have more non-drug non-book recreational activities :P
Like swimming! Or model cars. Because honestly, it feels kinda weird that there's apparently no model car kits in new england.
doitfortherp
EDIT: Spelled Car in an accent. Is fixed now :P
Post by: Rolan7 on November 01, 2016, 10:12:29 am
Is it me, or does smoking marijuana with a pipe, or smoking a joint guarantuee falling asleep when needed? It never failed me whenever I needed to go to sleep before the tired debuff shows up onscreen. I haven't tried it with the insomnia trait though.I still love checking this thread after the emotions threads and being briefly confused. Sometimes it fits too well. Sign of a good (or at least expansive) simulator.
Post by: Descan on November 01, 2016, 08:29:45 pm
I misread that last bit at first and was amazed at humanity's ability to make anything sexy.after talking with the person i'm dating right now, i am not amazed
Post by: Sheb on November 02, 2016, 08:04:49 am
I misread that last bit at first and was amazed at humanity's ability to make anything sexy.after talking with the person i'm dating right now, i am not amazed
D'aaaaaaaw.
Post by: Descan on November 02, 2016, 01:41:22 pm
their giggleparts tingle at starscream, rodimus prime, and megatron
Post by: pisskop on November 02, 2016, 02:01:17 pm
Eroticus Prime
Post by: Descan on November 02, 2016, 02:25:26 pm
Post by: Baffler on November 02, 2016, 03:24:47 pm
So I've been using goo canisters to ward off manhacks and such in a lab challenge and... I have a request.
When you 'e' a friendly blob can you make it so we can.... hug it...
A ... head?pat is also an acceptable alternative.
To add on to this, maybe we should have more non-drug non-book recreational activities :P
Like swimming! Or model cars. Because honestly, it feels kinda weird that there's apparently no model car kits in new england.
doitfortherp
EDIT: Spelled Car in an accent. Is fixed now :P
You actually can go swimming for fun. Kinda. If you're only wearing clothing that lies close to skin (the sort of thing you'd go swimming in), "wet" changes from a morale hit to a morale boost. It's a pretty powerful boost too, up to 40 points IIRC. I say kinda because you can get the same benefit from standing outside in the rain for a little bit, so the only mechanical reasons to actually go swimming are to train the skill (how I discovered this) or clear weather.
Post by: Greiger on November 02, 2016, 03:35:26 pm
A fishing rod may be better, but I don't know. Last time I tried to use a fishing rod in a river I kept getting told there were no fish, so I was probably doing it wrong.
Post by: pisskop on November 02, 2016, 03:39:14 pm
Post by: martinuzz on November 02, 2016, 04:04:41 pm
Also with the right equipment it seems like it's easier to fish by actually swimming after the damn things than using a fish trap, remembering not to wait too long before coming back and checking it, only to catch nothing anyway.You have to fish at spots where you can actually spot fish. They're abundant enough though. Just move a screen or two along the river until you find a spot.
A fishing rod may be better, but I don't know. Last time I tried to use a fishing rod in a river I kept getting told there were no fish, so I was probably doing it wrong.
Pro fishing rod is amazing, i't'll catch you more fish than you can dehydrate in no time. I've yet to find a better source of fat for tallow and lard than rod fishing.
Post by: Darkmere on November 02, 2016, 04:05:34 pm
Post by: i2amroy on November 03, 2016, 04:56:28 pm
You actually can go swimming for fun. Kinda. If you're only wearing clothing that lies close to skin (the sort of thing you'd go swimming in), "wet" changes from a morale hit to a morale boost. It's a pretty powerful boost too, up to 40 points IIRC.It also depended on the current temperature as well last I checked.
Post by: pisskop on November 03, 2016, 04:59:27 pm
I thought about trying to stack deep waters on top of one another to simulate some kind of 'depth', buuut that idea was immediately thrown away just glancing at code.
Post by: Iceblaster on November 03, 2016, 05:37:51 pm
That being an extension of being an open source game sadly. Probably won't happen soon. Which sucks because having flowing water in Cata would be fun. Make your own little irrigation ditches :3
Post by: pisskop on November 03, 2016, 05:53:00 pm
Post by: duckman on November 03, 2016, 10:17:07 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on November 04, 2016, 06:21:14 am
Post by: pisskop on November 04, 2016, 11:09:07 am
21 seems my favorite, but 14 is good and 28 is too long
Post by: duckman on November 04, 2016, 07:56:28 pm
Do you mean the season length? Because you could always change that to 90 days if you wanted. The option to also lengthen construction time accordingly is newer. Though I haven't tried that one yet, partly because I fear dying from thirst while building something.Does changing the season length affect your starvation rate now? I know you have to be abysmally bad/unlucky in a really weird way to somehow starve before you get killed or dehydrate, but I always like to know the little things.
Also, what's up with the item browser lately? Normally I check Github, but the load times have been a bit off.
Post by: pisskop on November 04, 2016, 08:05:43 pm
Your better off using the github itself and looking at the jsons.
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/tree/master/data/json
^^ heres by far the most useful link to the cleverraven git
I keep 8 or 9 links to commonly used pages, such as furniture, terrain, monsters, itempgroups, and items themselves.
since Im here, today Ive established that I can use overmap terrain ids to make spawns anywhere. I could stick an evac shelter into a lava rift, for instance, and its a viable spawn location.
And Ive made my first artificial township:
(http://i.imgur.com/446F1xx.png?1)
And
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ive made some interesting choices wrt chicken walkers and the (now) mostly unused tribots.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 04, 2016, 09:51:46 pm
Post by: Kaitol on November 05, 2016, 12:16:03 am
Post by: pisskop on November 05, 2016, 04:58:53 am
But, a very important distinction:
Mine is defined in json, whereas the IWton is a c++ creation.
This means iwton can modulate itself better.
-I use generic buildings and roads, whereas IWton uses predefined static assests.
This means that I didn't make that sewer entrance (that yellow 4way intersection), it was made by napfen because the road I used is generic.
This means all those houses are randomly picked from the 20 or so varieties of house, and all the subtle generic house chance alterations.
Each one of (this town) will be a different town with the same layout. And Zed's horde as normal here, with a smaller population
Post by: MauritianStruggle on November 05, 2016, 06:48:24 am
Post by: Rince Wind on November 05, 2016, 07:01:36 am
Post by: MauritianStruggle on November 05, 2016, 07:12:35 am
Just play the experimental version. We all do.
Well, I figured that. It's just it seems odd nothing has come out properly in over a year.
Post by: Rince Wind on November 05, 2016, 07:21:12 am
I think they should just rename the different versions, as has been proposed before, to make it more obvious that the experimental is not a bugridden, prone to crash version of the game.
Post by: pisskop on November 05, 2016, 09:00:33 am
You know. PTSD sounds more sanitary than battle fatigue. Battle fatigue sounds better than shell shock. Etc
Post by: scriver on November 05, 2016, 10:12:46 am
But then I started up the experimental version I downloaded earlier today and dropping in windows made items disappear into nonexistance.
Post by: BigD145 on November 05, 2016, 10:19:05 am
I was going to say that lately I've been playing the experimental builds and that they didn't seem any more bugged or crashy and the "official release" versions.
But then I started up the experimental version I downloaded earlier today and dropping in windows made items disappear into nonexistance.
Bring it up in the forum and it's likely to be fixed before the day is over.
Post by: scriver on November 05, 2016, 10:57:57 am
Post by: Kaitol on November 05, 2016, 12:45:33 pm
Post by: acidia on November 05, 2016, 12:50:00 pm
For Necropolis/IWton I tried using generic roads to path through it but I didn't like all of the specials that spawned in the streets, hated how roads didn't connect to custom parking lots, and wasn't sure if sewers would try to overlap the stuff at z-1. I also hate the "randomly generated" houses that still pop up so it was easier to just fill everything with hard coded buildings. I can't remember how the code works but you may have to do something special to prevent generic zombies from spawning and attacking your special monsters.
I heard that mugling or coolthulhu was actively working to finally get .D out so I've been poking around the forums for the past few days. Last time I was around I heard I shouldn't be working on the NPC quest stuff because it was all getting stripped and redone... also that multi-z buildings were in the near future so I was holding off till that became a thing. It seems the "image" of the final game has changed a good deal, things like the nutrition system and magazines were in the "never happening" category last time. Actual trading at the refugee center/commune got completely hamstrung when faction currency got shot down in favor of item-for-item bartering and all items in shop inventory needing to be held by NPCs (who should also now manage all of the needs the player does). I'll have to see what they think.
Was thinking about adding a new building and stuff in December to attract a bit more attention/potential new contributors to the release.
Post by: duckman on November 15, 2016, 12:56:06 am
Post by: pisskop on November 15, 2016, 05:41:04 am
i have never taken a martial art at chargen.
and since when is place a weapon between an attacker and you a specific MA?
Post by: Rince Wind on November 15, 2016, 06:15:37 am
Post by: BigD145 on November 15, 2016, 09:56:30 am
Congrats on the long and positive article on RPS (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/11/14/cataclysm-dark-days-ahead/).
"The experimental build is recommended"
Yes. Damn right it is.
Post by: duckman on November 15, 2016, 05:59:13 pm
why?In that case, nearly every object large enough to provide coverage when held should have the ability to block. It's really not that difficult to get a decent weapon and escape from town on the first day anyways unless you up the spawn to at least 10 and turn on fast zombies, which is kind of the point here.
i have never taken a martial art at chargen.
and since when is place a weapon between an attacker and you a specific MA?
Edit: It's not really about the basic block anyways, which as you said, just about anyone should be able to do as a basic reflex. It's parrying and precision strikes that are a bit more advanced and might need a specific martial art or minimum skill level to perform.
Post by: Greenbane on November 15, 2016, 06:32:50 pm
Bafflingly enough, Left and Right don't change category, but rather individual options.
Post by: pisskop on November 15, 2016, 06:36:38 pm
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Post by: BigD145 on November 15, 2016, 06:47:46 pm
Post by: Akura on November 15, 2016, 08:13:19 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 15, 2016, 08:20:39 pm
It's really not that difficult to get a decent weapon and escape from town on the first day anyways unless you up the spawn to at least 10 and turn on fast zombies, which is kind of the point here.
Said no person who has ever run a really bad say challenge ever.
Its a lot of luck. You cant outskill the amount of luck you need.
Post by: duckman on November 16, 2016, 01:21:36 am
Not particularly tough either. Fleet footed and only sprint when you have 75% or more stamina to get to the edge of town from the center. I can get out 80% of the time, with the rest being when there is a shocker brute or spitter at every intersection. Once you're out, you can draw out regulars and let them chase the wildlife outside of town to free up space for looting.It's really not that difficult to get a decent weapon and escape from town on the first day anyways unless you up the spawn to at least 10 and turn on fast zombies, which is kind of the point here.
Said no person who has ever run a really bad say challenge ever.
Its a lot of luck. You cant outskill the amount of luck you need.
Really bad day and fast zombies, however is not survivable without a lucky start.
Post by: MrWiggles on November 16, 2016, 04:04:49 am
why?Well a lot of folks tend to strongly associate martial arts with asian-ey kicking and punching. When its a war art. Why would China and Japan use word from the Roman god of Wars, Mars? Its a european word used to describe fencing, shooting, wrestling, and boxing. The arts used and practice for fucking murdering foo's during war. Duckman point, is that you're just not granted swordmen skill. I've been fencing with the SCA and RenFair for years with my Epee blade, its a lot of practice.
i have never taken a martial art at chargen.
and since when is place a weapon between an attacker and you a specific MA?
Post by: scriver on November 16, 2016, 06:25:08 am
Post by: MrWiggles on November 16, 2016, 07:31:58 am
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91073 An article examining the history and impact of boxing on military science. Spartans boxed. Roman legionairs boxed.
http://www.historyoffighting.com/boxing-in-the-ancient-world.php
http://www.weapons-universe.com/Brass_Knuckles/Cestus2.jpg Roman boxing glove. Its banded in iron. Others have spikes.
Post by: Greenbane on November 16, 2016, 07:44:16 am
As MrWiggles said, even shooting could be considered a martial art, stretching the definition some. The thing is, shooting firearms requires much less technique and training compared to "truer" martial arts, which require years and years to achieve real competence.
Anyway, I last played this when it was just Cataclysm, like five years ago. I've been setting up my game, with the Chesthole soundpack and the Retro 20px tiles, and should be starting a serious playthrough (or attempt at such) once I get home from work.
Post by: pisskop on November 16, 2016, 09:33:43 am
perhaps your mistake is assuming parry is Good skill at low levels and that the same wild flailing that flavors missed attacks corresponds to more reckless parrying
its a text game; youre imagining the characters skill that the game is telling you doesnt exist.
And, more humourous, youre comparing two trained fighters to a scared, cold, and naked man and the only thing less agile than him; a corpse
Post by: scriver on November 16, 2016, 10:10:11 am
Pugilism has been taught in various militaries as part of its cqc training for centuries if not thousand of years. Its arguably one of the world oldest mart arts.
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91073 An article examining the history and impact of boxing on military science. Spartans boxed. Roman legionairs boxed.
http://www.historyoffighting.com/boxing-in-the-ancient-world.php
http://www.weapons-universe.com/Brass_Knuckles/Cestus2.jpg Roman boxing glove. Its banded in iron. Others have spikes.
Heh, that first article forum post's author doesn't particularly come of as trustworthy. But no worries, I am not arguing against martial arts being martial arts, I just found very funny the image of boxing on the battlefield brought to my mind by "The arts used and practice for fucking murdering foo's during war" :P
Post by: duckman on November 16, 2016, 09:04:33 pm
taking traits to trivialize early game aside,
perhaps your mistake is assuming parry is Good skill at low levels and that the same wild flailing that flavors missed attacks corresponds to more reckless parrying
its a text game; youre imagining the characters skill that the game is telling you doesnt exist.
And, more humourous, youre comparing two trained fighters to a scared, cold, and naked man and the only thing less agile than him; a corpse
If WBLOCK_2 (parrying) didn't add 6 to your block score, you might have a point, but you only need to block a few (Hint: less than 4) points of damage for simple clothing to completely negate the rest of it.
You're also mistaking the relevance of the very bad day scenario that you brought up in the first place. In that scenario a sharp rock or ceramic shard is a decent weapon. Literal garbage is a decent weapon on the first day, even when I do runs where I melt my legs off, unless you run into a brute, shocker or spitter variant.
Post by: pisskop on November 16, 2016, 09:14:30 pm
Your issue with parry on a rare weapon is relatively unfounded. Out of the gates makes the very large assumption that some new character with no armor is grabbing a saber.
And thats in part why mansions are so OP. they allow players who have no business to otherwise to acces almost combat free high end books and wepaons. But its never 'right out of the gates'. antique stores are often empty of weapons.
sabers, samurai armor, katanas, fire axes, and other mid-high tier items are found and left in not to make the game unfair but to give players the taste of the old days. They arent 'too' powerful (maybe in basegame, but basegame is a joke anyway) because zombies arent 1 monster. Zombies are hordes. They surround you. Even at night. And if more people would turn on wandering hordes they might find their tactics are crapola.
Post by: pisskop on November 16, 2016, 09:33:31 pm
Post by: duckman on November 16, 2016, 10:16:03 pm
maybe in basegame, but basegame is a joke anywayWell, duh. Why else would I play a legless amputee every few games?
Edit: Actually, has that been suggested before? A missing limb/limbs challenge scenario? It'd save me the 24 seconds melting my legs off, at least.
It occurs to me that maybe this guy hasnt played in a few months. that could be it.
Yeah, I just got back to Cataclysm about a week ago, but I think the roadblock here is that I tend to get bored around the mid-game while you're arguing from the perspective of someone who actually bothers to get into the late-game.
Post by: n9103 on November 17, 2016, 08:50:13 am
Post by: pisskop on November 17, 2016, 09:59:22 am
the expies are harder
Post by: Robsoie on November 17, 2016, 11:42:26 am
But i'm puzzled at the character creation, if i leave 4 points unused, i can start playing, but if i spend all the points so i have 0 left unused, the games tell that i have too many traits point used ?
Spoiler: for the pics (click to show/hide)
I don't remember that happening long time ago when i played, so is there some new game mechanic there that i don't know about, or is that simply a bug ?
Post by: Kaitol on November 17, 2016, 12:23:42 pm
Go back to the points tab and choose one pool, or take some points out of the categories you went over on. Basically, make the red numbers not red anymore.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 17, 2016, 01:38:13 pm
Post by: Robsoie on November 17, 2016, 02:06:12 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT : ah i see now what you meant with multiple pool, didn't checked the "Points" category with the different pools options
Post by: pisskop on November 17, 2016, 02:11:12 pm
you can spend skill points or trait points. Stat points are more valuable.
Post by: Robsoie on November 17, 2016, 02:21:00 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 17, 2016, 09:20:13 pm
They finally got a debuff for making people visible using flashlights! No more flashlight flicking around hordes.
Post by: BigD145 on November 17, 2016, 09:24:20 pm
Post by: Greenbane on November 18, 2016, 06:30:29 pm
Well, I just read some and apparently the mi-go is just great at melee. Tough luck. Will have to be more careful next time.
Post by: Neonivek on November 18, 2016, 06:50:43 pm
Post by: Akura on November 18, 2016, 07:15:08 pm
*I don't remember the exact requirements. Either an active UPS, or a Power Armor Interface bionic(along with bionic power), I think.
Post by: Mephansteras on November 18, 2016, 08:07:04 pm
Easy to find bandit, I guess, and I got the reward from the quest but....that sucked. Almost lost a very promising character there.
Post by: Greenbane on November 18, 2016, 08:37:47 pm
Was the power armor actually powered*? If not, it causes significant encumbrance if I recall. This would reduce your melee abilities to crap.
*I don't remember the exact requirements. Either an active UPS, or a Power Armor Interface bionic(along with bionic power), I think.
No, it wasn't powered, so it was essentially like a suit of plate armour. Bulky but still quite protective. Except against a far superior opponent (i.e. that damn mi-go).
Now, just lost my second Priest character. I was doing fairly okay for a few game hours, and had my first driving experience. Ran over a bunch of zombies before running into a diesel pump I was trying to park beside. The explosion wounded me and damaged my SWAT truck to some extent. I then drove off to another gas station since the original one's diesel pumps were both bust. But then this time I parked too far away. Zombies surrounded the truck, and I ran for it but a spitter zed landed a pool of acid right at my feet. Lost speed and got overwhelmed, my guy's chewed body eventually melting in acid.
I know I'm supposed to stay out of towns during daytime, but I need the food and a number of items to get going, and there's not much to do in the wilderness if you're a total n00b.
Post by: RickRollYou2 on November 18, 2016, 08:39:36 pm
Hmmm, hit a bug in the refugee center. I accepted a quest from the old guard rep to kill some bandits. It popped up with an error saying it couldn't load something about the quest. I hit spacebar to continue and a bandit pops up right in the same room with me. Cue me getting headshotted with a crossbow bolt. I somehow managed to win that fight with just a single bar left of head, torso, and both arms. Ouch.
Easy to find bandit, I guess, and I got the reward from the quest but....that sucked. Almost lost a very promising character there.
Yep, iirc that happens when the game can't find/spawn a cabin for the mission so it just plonks the bandit in question right next to you.
Post by: Kaitol on November 18, 2016, 09:11:19 pm
If you need a more graphical representation of how you died, go look up the paradisers from one punch man and what happened to them.
Post by: Greenbane on November 18, 2016, 11:20:18 pm
Power armor helmets are separate items from power armor. I HIGHLY doubt you found both in the same Military Surplus store, given that I wasn't even aware it could spawn there at all, despite playing for years, and the fact that helmets are inordinately rarer than suits on top of that.
If you need a more graphical representation of how you died, go look up the paradisers from one punch man and what happened to them.
Oh, I had virtually no head armour. I don't have any doubts about how I died. The mi-go was far too skilled and could reliable land hits on my exposed head. Either high melee skill targets the head more often, or simply the least armoured areas.
Funny thing is, my latest character is a cop from the police station scenario (Attack on Precint Z or something), and it just so happens she spawned in one such building quite close to were my power-armoured priest died. I've been able to kill the mi-go with a couple well-placed .45 shots, and salvage most of the holy man's equipment. Good times.
I later found an intact Beetle in some house's garage, and drove it to a ranch in the town's outskirts. Might make it my first base and storage area.
Post by: pisskop on November 18, 2016, 11:25:22 pm
-relative size
bigger mons tend to hit higher body parts. smaller one hit lower extremities
-skill
more skill means more shots at the core body parts. i.e. a big mon hits the head more with adequate skill and a small one the torso more with skill.
-dodge
the Victim's dodge skill inverts the trend.
only special attacks may target eyes, mouth, hands, or feet. in my mod i up special attacks.
-bite
-smash
-guns
-lunge
are examples of special attacks
Post by: Greenbane on November 19, 2016, 10:27:04 am
I was doing pretty well, driving around in my Beetle. Ran over some zombie scientists and various mutants and nabbed an ID card which I'd use to enter a nearby abandoned lab. Everything was swell until I opened one of the many doors the lab had, and an automated turret quickly unloaded on me. The power armour was great, but I got a serious headshot and pretty much died instantly. Had a hard hat on, but the turret's SMG just had an insane rate of fire.
A shame, but it's another learning experience. I have a better understanding of vehicles and crafting now.
Post by: alway on November 19, 2016, 11:26:24 am
Post by: scriver on November 19, 2016, 11:30:06 am
Post by: pisskop on November 19, 2016, 11:31:58 am
Spoiler: how do: labs (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ehndras on November 19, 2016, 03:07:20 pm
Wtf? Did y'all mod all this after Whale left? And where can I read a list of new additions from the base game?!
Post by: Rolan7 on November 19, 2016, 03:09:37 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 19, 2016, 03:12:47 pm
MI-Go's!? Power armor? VW beetle? SWAT TRUCK!?
Wtf? Did y'all mod all this after Whale left? And where can I read a list of new additions from the base game?!
Mi-Go are part of the regular game... But normally you have to do something to fight one.
Post by: Ehndras on November 19, 2016, 04:53:40 pm
It was fun, but once you got a proper set of gear... Boring as shit.
Do npcs and bases exist yet? I couldn't only stomach playing if there's something to do beside wander randomly.
Post by: pisskop on November 19, 2016, 05:07:03 pm
Its still fairly much random wandering.
BUT
butbutbut
You could try a difficulty mod. Like the one in my sig.
Post by: n9103 on November 19, 2016, 05:36:03 pm
They're not ultra-intelligent or magnificent creations yet, but pisskop's not an unbiased party either.
Post by: Tiruin on November 19, 2016, 09:37:31 pm
Well, no.Could...you remove the tiny critters and spiders roaming about in your mod as an extra if it's possible? Or give directions how to do so? >_< I do not like the idea of me looking around and then surprise black widow right next to me, because it makes me panic and shoot everywhere or run in the opposite direction while looking back, usually away from what I'm doing and avoiding that patch of periods for quite some time. But I do like the mod in general.
Its still fairly much random wandering.
BUT
butbutbut
You could try a difficulty mod. Like the one in my sig.
Post by: duckman on November 19, 2016, 09:50:13 pm
I haven't played in aaaaaaages.There's a relatively simple faction system now. NPCs (if you turned them on) can be part of one of the factions. The Old Guard (Military and government holdouts), Free Merchants (People who called dibs on refugee stations) and the Tacoma Commune (Their offshoot faction that doesn't actually exist until you do some jobs for the merchants), Hell's Raiders (Basically bandits, end of the world after all) and the Wasteland Scavengers (Everyone else). You are part of your own faction, but you are effectively just another wanderer unless you piss another faction off or start recruiting.
It was fun, but once you got a proper set of gear... Boring as shit.
Do npcs and bases exist yet? I couldn't only stomach playing if there's something to do beside wander randomly.
If you want to find a friendly base of sorts, turn on static NPCs and then interact with the glowing console in the corner of the evac shelter. One of the options will map a (somewhat convoluted) path to the nearest refugee station. Try to find the doors instead of smashing your way in, because there's a quarantined zone inside that you might not want to end up in if you just made a beeline to the station with a fresh character. Some of the people there have jobs for you, and the traders might have something you could use. Most of them are pretty poorly armed so you can start trouble if you really want, but at those well-lit, indoor ranges, a .22 round is almost guaranteed to get multiple consecutive head-shots and the trader might have something considerably more lethal in stock.
There's plenty more to the world, but if you don't feel like exploring, you won't be interested in the mega stores, malls or the vault.
Post by: pisskop on November 19, 2016, 10:00:14 pm
spiders is a start
Post by: Ehndras on November 20, 2016, 04:20:37 am
Post by: pisskop on November 20, 2016, 08:21:48 am
one time it ran out of the darkness to smg my face
one time it tried to mug a man driving an 8ton vehicle with automated grenade launchers.
one time, quite recently, it threw a molotov at a zombie i was in melee with
npc no longer chows on his lighter, and mostly does not try to reload his gun with it, but factions as such are vasucally 0.C
progress is being made, slowly
Post by: duckman on November 20, 2016, 09:09:54 am
Oh! There we go. :) Oh, I like exploring, I'm just... I get lonely, LOL. Having NPCs to interact with gives me a reason to give a damn.These are mostly just static NPCs, who are all scripted to prevent too much issue. Dynamically spawning NPCs are, as pisskop said, quite erratic. Dynamic NPCs are just about the only source of recruitment at the moment though, since money to hire the static spawning mercenaries can be a bit tricky to get.
Post by: Greenbane on November 20, 2016, 06:02:31 pm
I wasn't counting on this: losing a character's fine, but I had gathered a lot of tools and supplies to stash at my ranch safehouse, and that's a significantly bigger loss.
Post by: Ygdrad on November 21, 2016, 02:21:49 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 21, 2016, 02:31:40 pm
My idea of alpha is to make them lose health, gain pain, and lose hp constantly at a slow pace. And be drug intolerant. Captain Amurica is not anti-drug because he's a good person, but because his body cant handle it.
A lot of my suggestions work within the framework of a mod, but one of the biggest points of contention is when mutation crafting should be unlocked, if it should also be involuntary, and how much it can cancel starting traits.
Post by: pisskop on November 21, 2016, 02:48:08 pm
Bionics can be better. Thats fine -even preferable. But mutations would be better served providing passive boons and versatility. You claimed they are more trouble than they are worth,and thats your opinion, but what you are doing is grinding them and thats not their intention. Perhaps you should be making it as you go along instead of minmaxxing and complaining it isnt easy enough
Post by: Ygdrad on November 21, 2016, 03:11:05 pm
The real issue with mutations is how obnoxiously hardcoded they are.
I learned that the hard way when I tried to find the source of a mysterious dex loss with a full spider and then made modifications to the code to make spiders a little less god-awful.
Post by: pisskop on November 21, 2016, 03:29:31 pm
<.<
I always take robust genes.
Anywho
bah na-na Naah
(http://i.imgur.com/nGfM5QA.png?1)
A profession that can craft mutagen out the gate. although Id recommend taking 1 point of cooking with the 2 it has.
I also reduced the amount of powdered ingredients for basic mutagen.
The reason to take this over any other prof is that you start with a book.
Post by: Ehndras on November 21, 2016, 04:24:43 pm
Is power armor useful, or does its batteries die quickly a-la Fallout 4? Cause I found a USP (0) but dunno how to charge it. Ah well.
Post by: pisskop on November 21, 2016, 04:38:07 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on November 21, 2016, 04:49:09 pm
Post by: Greiger on November 21, 2016, 04:49:48 pm
Ninjas!
Post by: Greenbane on November 21, 2016, 05:35:01 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 21, 2016, 06:11:35 pm
I'd reserve that particular label for the people who won't make a character without taking Quick and Fleet-Footed and Robust Genetics.<.< >.>
I don't take RG though, and I usually grab Parkour Expert as well if I can afford it. I have a strong affection for gottagofast in Cata, and the mental image of a dude running through post-apoc New England towns vaulting over counters and through windows with two backpacks strapped on and a bag on each arm is intensely amusing to me.
Yes, I'm that kind of player, the one who also takes Pack Mule and trains up melee skills enough to slaughter things even when badly encumbered by a small mountain of shit. The mollie nerf made me cry. :P
Post by: Robsoie on November 21, 2016, 07:17:23 pm
From old versions of CDDA i remember that those beasts were weapons of early character destruction, i still remember the time when i was inside of a building and opened what was the bathroom and a moose was waiting there and annihilated my character in a few turns.
Not sure if it was always the case i was preparing to run to the opposite side, but then i saw the moose rush straight toward the mansion and destroy 6 zombies before turning around and attack my lumberjack character before i could leave.
To my surprise i managed to kill the terrible monster of evil doom with a few axe blows.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Not sure if they're still as strong as in the past, but they're still very angry at everything :D
Post by: pisskop on November 21, 2016, 07:25:09 pm
I found an electric car with a yellow but unleaking storage battery. The other one was greyed out, so all the power from the 4 admittedly undamaged solar panels were storing into the good battery. Thus, I took it with me as I didnt have a car yet.
I ran out of juice just north or a blob pit. I walked all night and found a fema camp. A soldier zombie died in a fire and a single .50 ball exploded. And half my health flew away, with 155 pain coming in its stead. ows
Post by: Ehndras on November 21, 2016, 08:42:30 pm
And TWO labs south of me.
Once I get into one, I'm making it my base.
Post by: duckman on November 21, 2016, 10:49:59 pm
Ouch! Hmm... FEMA camp and an army bunker just north of me... But no ID card. Found the power armor near a crater, but no ID.Watch out for stragglers. There weren't just scientists in those labs.
And TWO labs south of me.
Once I get into one, I'm making it my base.
Post by: Ehndras on November 22, 2016, 12:29:23 am
Post by: Kaitol on November 22, 2016, 03:55:00 am
Personally I'd suggest making it less random. Either by pairing positive and negative mutations, like say, if you drank some feline mutagen and got fangs, you also get meat eater or something 95% of the time. And then make robust genetics reduce that to like, 65% of the time you get meat eater.
An alternate idea would be to make all mutagen injections, and then let players target specific bodyparts to inject. Injecting your eyes could give any eye related mutation. Like night vision. Or nearsighted. Etc.
As it is, mutations are too random, and in rogue-likes, randomness is risk and risk generally means death. Which means restarting all over.
Post by: Robsoie on November 22, 2016, 08:05:43 am
There was a pharmacy not too far inside of the town so i thought it would be the best place to start searching without too much fighting to do.
Started to go straight to it after finding many killed zombies (the wasps around were probably the cause of that) and i was busy smashing the corspes (as i imagine you still need to pulp dead zombie to prevent them raising again as it was in old versions) occasionally fighting some more zombies and wasp.
Then i was hearing several explosions (that chesthole soundpack (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=13295.msg283780#msg283780) is rather nice to help me noticing when i wasn't paying attention to the text, though i deleted the music json as i found the music too distracting) between me and the pharmacy.
On the map apparently there's nothing there exploding like a gaz station , there are a few houses a library and something like a furniture store, so i decided to peek around a building corner and x - look at the distance what was going on in that location
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ok, i'll have to circle the whole location, that horde is obviously too dangerous for newly created character.
But i wonder what was the source of the several explosions i heard ? I see some smoke but they could be from those smoke zombies (they're still in the game by the way ?) too
Maybe there were some mines, as i see zombies corpses too.
Post by: TempAcc on November 22, 2016, 08:08:45 am
Post by: Ehndras on November 22, 2016, 08:24:42 am
Still no military ID card. FUUUUUUU-
I now have a cash card with over 1.5million on it. Dafuq do I use it for?
Thing is, my house sucks and Im running out of supplies, but my car is low on gas :| So.... Fuck. Haven't seen any gas stations nearby, may have to go on a loooooooong walk.
Post by: Ehndras on November 22, 2016, 08:25:18 am
Post by: scriver on November 22, 2016, 10:53:51 am
A NPC was suffering from an infection, so playing a good guy i went to find antibiotics in the nearby town.
There was a pharmacy not too far inside of the town so i thought it would be the best place to start searching without too much fighting to do.
Started to go straight to it after finding many killed zombies (the wasps around were probably the cause of that) and i was busy smashing the corspes (as i imagine you still need to pulp dead zombie to prevent them raising again as it was in old versions) occasionally fighting some more zombies and wasp.
Then i was hearing several explosions (that chesthole soundpack (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=13295.msg283780#msg283780) is rather nice to help me noticing when i wasn't paying attention to the text, though i deleted the music json as i found the music too distracting) between me and the pharmacy.
On the map apparently there's nothing there exploding like a gaz station , there are a few houses a library and something like a furniture store, so i decided to peek around a building corner and x - look at the distance what was going on in that locationSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Ok, i'll have to circle the whole location, that horde is obviously too dangerous for newly created character.
But i wonder what was the source of the several explosions i heard ? I see some smoke but they could be from those smoke zombies (they're still in the game by the way ?) too
Maybe there were some mines, as i see zombies corpses too.
Dear lord, that font is wrecking terror on my eyes!
Post by: Darkmere on November 22, 2016, 03:43:23 pm
I now have a cash card with over 1.5million on it. Dafuq do I use it for?
Drink machines in gas stations. gas pumps at gas stations can take them. Some gun stores have ammo vendors.
There's also ATM's in banks that can consolidate all your cash cards together, but you can't get plastic chunks out of the empties.
Post by: pisskop on November 22, 2016, 03:45:49 pm
Post by: Greiger on November 23, 2016, 12:01:42 am
At the same time there was a rewrite on how vehicle coding worked. That was a bit frustrating for a bit, with stuff throwing errors one day that weren't a previous, and car engines suddenly changing, and fuel consumption and safe speeds going up and down. But there is one thing I love about it.
Spoiler: I can put whatever the hell I want into my tanker trucks (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ehndras on November 23, 2016, 12:56:30 am
Post by: BigD145 on November 23, 2016, 08:10:51 am
Not shown. One with water, one with raw sewage, and I tested out one with cola. Only thing I'm not sure of yet is if the milk would rot over time.
Check if it's in stasis or if it will rot immediately upon dispersal after the timer runs out.
Post by: AlStar on November 23, 2016, 08:26:36 am
Post by: Egan_BW on November 23, 2016, 08:46:33 am
Post by: Sharp on November 23, 2016, 10:53:50 am
Is there anything you could do with 1,200L of spoiled milk? Does Cat have cheesemaking?
Yeah you can make cheese, you can also use rotten milk to make hard cheese which won't rot so a use for all those gallons of milk. Although I'm not sure where Greiger found 1200L of milk....
Post by: BigD145 on November 23, 2016, 11:00:42 am
Post by: pisskop on November 23, 2016, 11:02:13 am
Post by: Greiger on November 23, 2016, 11:26:01 am
But in order for that to work I had to look up what kinds of things other than fuel tanker trucks carry so that the current style of tankers could still be represented. Just re-purposed for carrying less valuable stuff. Milk, water, and septic trucks were top of that list. So I tested each one, and they all worked. Then I started getting crazy eventually ending with a shipment of 1,200L of blood.
Post by: Ehndras on November 23, 2016, 11:53:27 am
Post by: n9103 on November 23, 2016, 12:21:34 pm
Coffee
Sulfuric Acid
L. Nitrogen
Any number of different types of petroleum product
Various juices (apple and orange more often)
These on top of the previously mentioned things like milk.
Just for flavor.
Post by: thegoatgod_pan on November 23, 2016, 02:38:05 pm
tanker coffee would be awful! glad it is science fiction...
Post by: Akura on November 23, 2016, 05:44:09 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 23, 2016, 06:02:55 pm
Mocha Latte? Not in MY Apocolypse
Post by: Egan_BW on November 23, 2016, 06:12:27 pm
We can only hope that there's a milk tanker behind it, and a sugar tanker on its way.Yeah, because most people mix all those things together at a 1:1:1 ratio.
Post by: pisskop on November 23, 2016, 07:29:33 pm
Ive added the compatibility mod and the blacklist mods here.
https://github.com/pisskop/PKs_Rebalancing
If you do use the 'creepy crawly' blacklist gotta tell me what to add to it.
Post by: Rince Wind on November 23, 2016, 07:41:27 pm
black coffee master race
Mocha Latte? Not in MY Apocolypse
That. Or atomic coffee.
Post by: BigD145 on November 23, 2016, 08:19:06 pm
black coffee master race
Mocha Latte? Not in MY Apocolypse
Chai tea master race. Down with mud bloods.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 23, 2016, 10:00:39 pm
or is the tank cooled? That would be a nice addition.
Post by: Greiger on November 23, 2016, 11:16:38 pm
I did release the mod but decided to keep the milktruck out for now. I want the stuff to be able to rot instead of just being a super stasis tank.
Post by: Culise on November 23, 2016, 11:45:28 pm
black coffee master race
Mocha Latte? Not in MY Apocolypse
Chai tea master race. Down with mud bloods.
Spoiler: And I just regret that cocoa trees don't grow in New England (click to show/hide)
Post by: BigD145 on November 23, 2016, 11:51:17 pm
black coffee master race
Mocha Latte? Not in MY Apocolypse
Chai tea master race. Down with mud bloods.Spoiler: And I just regret that cocoa trees don't grow in New England (click to show/hide)
Make a trip to Mexico. Drink real sipping chocolate! Or go to the Chocolate House in Luxembourg and watch the changing of the guard like a MAN.
Spoiler: Chocolate snobs (click to show/hide)
Post by: Greiger on November 24, 2016, 01:49:06 am
I find myself underrepresented. I don't drink tea (though I'm not opposed to the idea), I hate the taste of every coffee I ever had, and while I will happily drink hot cocoa it is not an every day thing.black coffee master race
Mocha Latte? Not in MY Apocolypse
Chai tea master race. Down with mud bloods.Spoiler: And I just regret that cocoa trees don't grow in New England (click to show/hide)
Instead im a 6 pack a day of Dr Pepper. It's in my champion tag.
Post by: Gentlefish on November 24, 2016, 02:58:54 pm
Spoiler: Insert soda of choice (click to show/hide)
Post by: pisskop on November 24, 2016, 03:10:51 pm
in a pepsi guy. root beer too
Post by: Greiger on November 24, 2016, 03:36:54 pm
Welp, D.va is ruined for me. I hate that crap. :PSpoiler: Insert soda of choice (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ehndras on November 24, 2016, 05:49:03 pm
I've got tons of food, some water, and every tool I could need. A good 300 .22 rounds, 50 .45s, a .22 rifle, a .45 pistol, a sledgehammer I kick ass with, and a good 269 volume 360 weight capacity thanks to strength, gear, and lots of bags.
Bags - bags everywhere.
LETS DO DIS
Post by: SOLDIER First on November 24, 2016, 06:55:25 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on November 24, 2016, 10:17:51 pm
Why not put the solar cells in the carrier?
The carrier's a heavy rig - the engine wouldn't be able to get it to go very fast.
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 25, 2016, 12:43:23 am
Post by: Ehndras on November 25, 2016, 02:51:10 am
If I go any faster I get into wrecks with random shit on the road, and I'd rather than not happen, and I lose 2k volume in items in the ass end of nowhere, end up marching on a dead end road.
Oh... Good song. Thanks for reminding me that exists.
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 25, 2016, 04:32:58 am
Post by: pisskop on November 25, 2016, 04:33:36 am
48 for city crawling. any less and you risk getting bogged down by zeds walls and cars. getting bogged down in non armored car is deadly and in an armored car is risking zeds in the cracks
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 25, 2016, 04:37:15 am
Also, we're talking mph here, not kph. 1.609 kilometers in one mile.
Post by: Ehndras on November 25, 2016, 04:51:11 am
Lets see... 19/20 mph would be about... 50 kph? Oh. Okay. So I was right I think?
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 25, 2016, 05:51:21 am
Post by: Ehndras on November 25, 2016, 06:12:24 am
Its got a few damaged bits here and there, but I can fix them without much issue.
Would the electric motor even work? I mean... The thing is heavy and huge. Its like a bus.
Post by: Ehndras on November 25, 2016, 06:13:43 am
Never touched vehicles until 2 days ago, as I haven't played since before they existed, so... No clue how this works.
Post by: scriver on November 25, 2016, 06:20:23 am
Post by: Ehndras on November 25, 2016, 06:22:44 am
Post by: TempAcc on November 25, 2016, 06:46:53 am
Post by: Sharp on November 25, 2016, 07:05:13 am
Post by: NullForceOmega on November 25, 2016, 07:07:59 am
Each time you add a new motor the skill necessary to add the next one goes up tho', by a lot really, but even two motors (around twelve skill I think) is more than you almost ever need.
Post by: Ehndras on November 25, 2016, 07:48:52 am
Post by: Kaitol on November 26, 2016, 03:19:18 pm
Post by: pisskop on November 26, 2016, 03:23:57 pm
Post by: Descan on November 26, 2016, 04:40:51 pm
Post by: Ehndras on November 26, 2016, 05:25:36 pm
Post by: Greiger on November 26, 2016, 09:49:32 pm
Also just a heads up, you can't have more than 1 engine running simultaneously on a vehicle anymore. I vaguely recall it was removed for a couple reasons. Horrible spaghetti code rife with special cases that required horrible hacks every time someone worked on the vehicle code, and that it supposedly made no sense. First bit I agree with, second part I don't completely agree with. But since we can make more complicated engines now in modding there's not much point to multiple engine cars anymore.
Post by: Aoi on November 26, 2016, 10:02:47 pm
Then I started getting crazy eventually ending with a shipment of 1,200L of blood.
I was driving cross-country a few years ago... heavy pouring rain, icy roads, bumper to bumper traffic, I'm stuck behind a tanker. A few minutes of running right behind it, I notice what the label on it says: "PIG BLOOD - NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION".
I immediately slow down and let somebody slot in between us.
Post by: Ehndras on November 27, 2016, 03:24:59 am
Shiiiiet, I'd rather ram a blood-tanker than a fuel tanker.
Post by: Darkmere on November 27, 2016, 03:31:41 am
Post by: Ehndras on November 27, 2016, 04:55:29 am
Suddenly, mustard gas!
...Is that possible in-game?
Sneaky-ass way to take out pesky NPCs :)
Post by: Random_Dragon on November 27, 2016, 11:40:56 am
Post by: Aoi on November 27, 2016, 09:12:29 pm
LOL.
Shiiiiet, I'd rather ram a blood-tanker than a fuel tanker.
The fuel tanker is probably easier to explain though. Call up insurance: "Yeah, I was in an accident. The car is probably totalled because there's, like, a million gallons of blood soaking into the back seat."
And don't forget about the therapy you'll need: "So you're telling me that every time you close your eyes, you see the elevator scene from The Shining..."
Post by: Ehndras on November 28, 2016, 06:27:05 am
My brain's way* of telling me my Dad was about to drop dead and we couldn't escape our fates. *shrug*
A 7 year old intellectual's brain is its own worst enemy.
(edit: sorry for typos its 5 am and I just woke up)
Post by: Kaitol on November 29, 2016, 01:56:44 am
EDIT: And slows down to 16-20 mph on grass. Okay, this is ridiculous. Hunter zombies can outrun it on grass.
If you want an easily testable example of this, spawn a military cargo truck. They're almost exactly as heavy as my APC and have the same crappy 4 liter truck engines apc's have now.
Post by: pisskop on November 29, 2016, 05:59:44 am
black coffee master race
Mocha Latte? Not in MY Apocolypse
coffee girl who takes my order usually wasnt there today. manager was, managed to stick enough sugar into the coffee to taste like they smear sugar water onto a plate, let it dry, and then licked the dried resin
Post by: duckman on November 29, 2016, 06:33:31 am
As for the V8 engines, looks like they got turned into the Wankel and traction engines. The Wankel is a lower efficiency but more abuse tolerant standard gasoline engine and the traction engine is functionally a low-speed-only diesel V12.
Post by: Greiger on November 29, 2016, 08:53:11 am
What used to be 20 mph or 2 tiles per turn now seems to be 1 tile per turn, and that barely outpaces zombies, 40 mph is now feeling like the old 20. And I was cruising along a road at 60 and found that a deer was actually outrunning my car. Deer are quick, but I don't think they are that quick.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 29, 2016, 11:02:14 am
Post by: Kaitol on November 29, 2016, 01:12:20 pm
Post by: Greiger on November 29, 2016, 01:55:21 pm
Sure you didn't switch to KPH and not notice?Still says mph on the screen, but it is as if I did. Hitting the speed increase once takes me to 20 mph, twice 40 mph, three times 60 mph, etc.
And it is a bit odd that they took out the v8 engine entirely. Don't get me wrong I like the changes to how engines work and all that, despite the bugs and it happening to drop right when I was figuring out how to make a vehicle mod.
Good news is that someone could mod one in now. I probably could, I made a custom light engine for my 'Greiger's vehicles' mod on the cata forums after all. But I don't recall the performance of the old v8 engines, and there are still some details I'm not 100% on. There was a fuel rebalancing to boot that throws fuel efficiency for a loop anyway.
Post by: Aseaheru on December 01, 2016, 03:02:11 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 01, 2016, 03:17:25 pm
Hey, what ever happened to helmet netting? It looks like it was removed from the game, but why?Looking at old issue lists on github it seems it was determined that it would give too little storage realistically to have any storage value at all, so storage was set to 0. And then there was another submission later just removing it entirely for being useless and confusing to newbies.
Set storage to 0 https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/13589
Removed for being useless https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/15688
EDIT: Links
Post by: Egan_BW on December 01, 2016, 03:25:01 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 01, 2016, 03:32:51 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on December 01, 2016, 03:43:22 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 01, 2016, 03:48:28 pm
In my own worlds, I spawned in hicksville, the villa I made. I found a solar car with perfect parts and 80% charge in 2 storage batteries. Cha-ching
Post by: Aseaheru on December 01, 2016, 06:01:33 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 01, 2016, 07:42:59 pm
Post by: duckman on December 02, 2016, 04:30:18 am
"max_stacks" : 8,
"flat_bonuses" : [["damage", "bash", "per", 3.0]]
That's the line for the on attack buff while the passive buff is this:
"flat_bonuses" : [["damage", "bash", "str", 0.8]]
Every other comparable line that adds damage based on a stat uses numbers less than 1.0.
Edit: Testing it shows that this is definitely the case.
Edit2: Also, why can't I make a jam sandwich with a butter knife? What makes my entrenching tool a better tool for this task?
Post by: Cattani on December 04, 2016, 10:47:57 pm
I have Piercing Weapons almost on level 4 and want to forge a Rapier, but am unsure if it really uses piercing. If its cutting, I would rather go for a longsword-type. The material, especially the forge charges, are kinda steeped to keep trial-and-error methods. Help?
Post by: duckman on December 04, 2016, 11:33:55 pm
Hey guys, quick question: is there a lista somewhere that relates each melee weapon with the skill it uses?Create a fresh world and character with no skills in cutting or piercing, debug a rapier/low encumberance armor and stab up some zombies.
I have Piercing Weapons almost on level 4 and want to forge a Rapier, but am unsure if it really uses piercing. If its cutting, I would rather go for a longsword-type. The material, especially the forge charges, are kinda steeped to keep trial-and-error methods. Help?
Post by: Salmeuk on December 05, 2016, 12:53:40 am
Edit2: Also, why can't I make a jam sandwich with a butter knife? What makes my entrenching tool a better tool for this task?
Just how large of a sandwich are we talking about here. . .?
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 05, 2016, 08:00:36 am
Hey guys, quick question: is there a lista somewhere that relates each melee weapon with the skill it uses?In an item's damage stats, Bash is always the same, but the other switches between Cut and Pierce depending on the skill it uses. Also, such a list would be difficult to make as any item is theoretically a melee weapon, and many train and utilize both bashing and cutting/piercing (the zweihänder is a good example).
I have Piercing Weapons almost on level 4 and want to forge a Rapier, but am unsure if it really uses piercing. If its cutting, I would rather go for a longsword-type. The material, especially the forge charges, are kinda steeped to keep trial-and-error methods. Help?
Post by: acidia on December 05, 2016, 03:32:07 pm
You can download the entire branch file from
https://github.com/acidia/Cataclysm-DDA/tree/national-guard-camp-mod
but all you really need is the one mod folder.
You can track the progress of the pull request at:
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/19572
I'd be glad to hear any feedback so just shoot me a message here, in the github pull request, or on the cata forums (acidia there too).
Post by: Greiger on December 05, 2016, 06:03:45 pm
Looking at the communication going on I do see where mugling and them are coming from, this is huge. 3 times the size of 'more locations' the current largest core mod. Hopefully that size can eventually be cut down, but I don't know enough about mapgen jsons to tell. And then there's the trouble blazemod has been getting into as well recently, so I can understand the hesitation.
I have my own mod up in the lab that I originally wanted to have become core but decided it would probably be best if it was not due to worries that I would fall behind in development and it would have trouble like blazemod does. So even if you don't get into core being a standalone mod is fine accomplishment as well. :)
Post by: acidia on December 05, 2016, 07:25:29 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 05, 2016, 07:48:25 pm
Also, 159 people who took the survey said they used the mod. 'More crafts' had 650 ....
soooo, yay? Thats 5% of the reddit membership. Thats more or less what I expected, 10% of the palyerbase using it.
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 05, 2016, 09:21:21 pm
Post by: duckman on December 05, 2016, 10:17:36 pm
Sometimes you just get really hungry and all you have is three bags of scavenged bread and a jar of jam that some kid at school was carrying around before they died.
Edit2: Also, why can't I make a jam sandwich with a butter knife? What makes my entrenching tool a better tool for this task?
Just how large of a sandwich are we talking about here. . .?
Post by: Greiger on December 06, 2016, 01:16:23 am
2nd I didn't know this game could even be played on a mobile. Wonder how it works without a keyboard.
And 3rd, how can somebody be neither playing with sound or without. How does that even, it's a yes or no question.
Post by: Aseaheru on December 06, 2016, 02:04:03 am
Post by: Kaitol on December 06, 2016, 02:43:43 am
No, I'm not trying to start a shitstorm about whether tiles or ASCII is better, so don't anybody start that. Again.
Post by: Egan_BW on December 06, 2016, 02:50:13 am
I do use the most ASCII-est tileset that comes with the game, but that's just because I couldn't be arsed to figure out how to make the game use a proper square font.
Post by: Ehndras on December 06, 2016, 02:58:40 am
6 trunks, 2 seats, a medium electric motor, 4 solar panels, 6 batteries, (can't install an alternator? Wut?), composite armor all around, added roof to close off the entire vehicle - except for the M2 Browning. Should probably put a hatch there, though I'm not sure how that works with vehicles? Reinforced headlights, reinforced windshields, going to try to add some sort of melee weaponry to the front bumper to help mow down hordes, 6 trunks (650 per) give 3,900 cargo capacity, kept the two external diesel tanks (55 gallon drums), and added a small water tank inside. 5-point harness on the seat, though I dunno how seatbelts even work.
I'm going to see if it even works. How do I screenshot? I tried prntscreening but it didn't work.
Post by: Aseaheru on December 06, 2016, 05:07:58 am
Post by: Shadowgandor on December 06, 2016, 05:44:47 am
Why would you put an electricity generating device on an electric engine?
For unlimited "fuel"? Like the cars this company is developing: http://www.solarteameindhoven.nl
Post by: Aseaheru on December 06, 2016, 05:47:04 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 06, 2016, 09:42:50 am
Post by: Aseaheru on December 06, 2016, 10:10:23 am
Post by: Ehndras on December 06, 2016, 12:09:12 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on December 06, 2016, 12:11:13 pm
Post by: Ehndras on December 06, 2016, 12:12:25 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 06, 2016, 12:23:55 pm
Unfortunately I can't figure out how to use the darn thing. I turn the main generator off and switch engines then hop on the saddle and start driving like I would in a car.... then what? Hitting forward to increase speed as if I was in a car just says it has no wheels to move with.
Am I doing it right and my batteries are too big? is it just that a minifridge draws too much power for a single truck alternator to power? Is a truck alternator too much for a set of foot pedals?
Post by: ChairmanPoo on December 06, 2016, 12:48:51 pm
Welp. I'm sad as usual that Arcana got utter shit in terms of votes. ._.But I love Arcana :(
Post by: pisskop on December 06, 2016, 12:52:30 pm
160 use pks rebalancing.
Post by: BigD145 on December 06, 2016, 01:34:40 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 06, 2016, 02:05:55 pm
275 people use it, that's a huge number in my opinion. If you want some perspective my mod didn't even make the list. :P
I'm thinking the mods were only added in the survey as a way to determine how much work should be spent from the main devs to fix mods if they break in a future update and the mod author falls off the face of the earth.
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 06, 2016, 03:02:04 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on December 06, 2016, 03:06:24 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 06, 2016, 03:07:20 pm
https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/5gnpwb/players_survey_2016_results/
Post by: Mephansteras on December 06, 2016, 04:46:52 pm
Post by: Sharp on December 06, 2016, 04:58:12 pm
I wonder why no one has added Solar Houses into the game. It'd be pretty handy to actually have a house with electricity, especially one with battery packs to keep it charged when the sun isn't out.
People do this though, it's just technically called a vehicle even though it has no wheels. I pretty much gut out an RV and install it in a building to use as a base with solar panels outdoors to generate electricity, keep on adding to the solar panel farm as I find electric vehicles, more than enough electricity for cooking, crafting and welding.
Post by: Greiger on December 06, 2016, 05:24:03 pm
I've also considered modding in a mobile home park, which is essentially just a dirt lot with the homes being vehicles instead of actual map tiles. But I don't know enough about modding in new types of overmap buildings to do it.
Post by: pisskop on December 06, 2016, 05:26:09 pm
For a mobile home just start with a dirt lot. All dirt. Then make the 'homes'. Then the more annoying part is placing them just right. Then you can complete the set by making terrain adjustments like bushes or w.e.
Post by: Greiger on December 06, 2016, 05:33:53 pm
To the modding cave!
Post by: pisskop on December 06, 2016, 05:36:35 pm
Or just steal examples from mods. thats what I did to learn.
Post by: Ehndras on December 06, 2016, 07:46:30 pm
Must leave soon... I'm running low on supplies.
Should I bring my 3 NPCs along, or just leave them behind? I'm afraid I removed all the chairs beside the driver seat and one extra, in order to install all the shit I need.
Post by: Culise on December 06, 2016, 07:50:46 pm
Post by: Tawa on December 06, 2016, 07:53:33 pm
Post by: Culise on December 06, 2016, 08:02:00 pm
EDIT: Hmmm, this base was built at least a year ago, it looks like; it seems to predate even my last save-backup of an old commit in December 2015.
Post by: Tawa on December 06, 2016, 08:06:39 pm
You can attach it to vehicles in much the same way as steel frames, IIRC.
Post by: pisskop on December 06, 2016, 08:09:27 pm
electric cars benefit from them because in spring theres so little sun.
Post by: Greiger on December 06, 2016, 08:14:32 pm
People who make mobile bases would probably love these mobile homes once I get the mod fully put together. Making sure they will need significant modification to work as one though. Wheels are in the wrong places, no engine, lacking in drivable controls, terrible line of sight...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Aseaheru on December 06, 2016, 08:17:33 pm
Post by: Ehndras on December 06, 2016, 08:35:20 pm
How exactly does it work? Does it charge the battery a bit, or no?
Post by: duckman on December 06, 2016, 08:36:12 pm
People who make mobile bases would probably love these mobile homes once I get the mod fully put together. Making sure they will need significant modification to work as one though. Wheels are in the wrong places, no engine, lacking in drivable controls, terrible line of sight...I think RVs will have to be a bit rarer for your mobile home to compete.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
What's everyone's preferred vehicle to use as a starting point for their custom vehicle anyways?
Post by: Akura on December 06, 2016, 08:39:37 pm
Wait, that actually works?Considering that's how jumper cables work in real life, yeah. It sends a small amount of power over to the other battery, which is then used to start the engine. The receiving car's alternator takes over from this point and starts feeding surplus electricity to the battery.
How exactly does it work? Does it charge the battery a bit, or no?
Post by: NullForceOmega on December 06, 2016, 08:46:40 pm
Post by: Ehndras on December 06, 2016, 08:48:18 pm
Good to know it works as hoped though, thanks :)
Post by: BigD145 on December 06, 2016, 08:50:56 pm
IRL You can remove an alternator from a car to get better gas mileage but you'll only get limited starts from the battery.
Post by: Ehndras on December 06, 2016, 08:53:55 pm
Post by: duckman on December 06, 2016, 09:05:21 pm
I build from scratch usually, tearing apart every vehicle I can lay hands on for more materials, eventually it ends up being some titanic rolling storehouse with military plating covering every surface. Speaking of deathmobiles (since I'm still on 0.C and no amount of 'the experimental is fine' is going to make me move), are heavy duty quarterpanels ever going to be a thing? Using heavy duty boards for every part of the vehicle just feels wrong (and I absolutely assure you that armored quarterpanels are a real thing.)Yeah, heavy duty quarterpanels are a thing in experimental and you'll get them whenever the next stable release happens. The aisle curtains even make them, functionally if not visually, better than reinforced glass windshields for windows. I'm still a bit disappointed at the lack of shutters for windows though.
Post by: pisskop on December 06, 2016, 09:08:25 pm
Post by: Kaitol on December 07, 2016, 03:07:43 am
For some reason I can't add an alternator to my electric motor. No clue why. My Solar APC has no alternator, and I envision future problems from that...
That's because for electric motors alternators would be pointless? Alternators convert engine power to electricity. Basically you're converting gasoline to battery power. An electric motor just runs on electricity so having an electric motor charge a battery at the same time it draws that electricity from the battery to run wouldn't really accomplish anything except waste energy in the exchange. If you want to run an electric car you either need enough solar panels and enough battery storage to run the car as long as you need, or a reactor. In the past you could just have swappable storage batteries and a solar array and carry spare batteries but with the recent changes I'm not sure that's still viable.
And yeah, if you don't have a reactor, large electric vehicles aren't really viable because 500lbs of battery lasts like four maptiles for a 12 ton+ vehicle. And the more batteries you pile on, the heavier the car gets and the more energy it takes to move it.
Post by: Darkmere on December 07, 2016, 04:29:22 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 07, 2016, 04:51:41 am
But in this context, it would've been proof that the mod isn't worth supporting.
Post by: scriver on December 07, 2016, 06:19:00 am
...Possibly the wheelcart.
Post by: pisskop on December 07, 2016, 07:57:09 am
For some reason I can't add an alternator to my electric motor. No clue why. My Solar APC has no alternator, and I envision future problems from that...yea
alrernatirs, ingame, take power and extra fuel from the engine to charge a battery. alternators have long been incompatible with electric engines
Post by: Ehndras on December 07, 2016, 10:31:12 am
Post by: Greiger on December 07, 2016, 01:53:37 pm
Wait, what happened to swappable batteries?Swapable storage batteries are still in last I checked. But they need a swappable storage battery case to be installed (they are otherwise normal storage batteries) also normal car
Funnily enough because swappable storage batteries still take the same amount of time to install or remove as normal parts, car batteries are now more or less the new swappables. I'm sure someone will fix that soon, I imagine it's just one line in a json file. (looks at json) 4 lines. Counting curly braces.
I could probably do it if I knew how to submit to github without needing to install a programming language.
Post by: Ehndras on December 07, 2016, 02:22:24 pm
I prntscrn but it captures my damn desktop instead. Bah.
Post by: Greiger on December 07, 2016, 02:32:25 pm
alt-prtsc works in other programs as well by the way. It's a windows command not a cataclysm one, so it should work for anything. I'm sure linux and macs have a similar command.
(prtsc being your printscreen button, some keyboards spell it out fully mine is multifunction, so they condensed it to fit everything)
Post by: pisskop on December 07, 2016, 09:11:34 pm
What I mean is, the game rolls a 1000 sided die when decides it wants to spawn something. It adds up all the spawns in the group it has chosen to spawn (based on location and chance), and goes down the weighted list. If the die lands on a monster, it checks how expensive it is. If it can spawn it it does, if it cannot afford it or it land on a 'vacant' number it spawns the default monster.
The default monster for zombie groups is a Greenie Zombie. Ive taken them out and put the Null Monster in instead; literally no spawn. this makes it so that all the singular spawning zombies will not spawn so much. this removes a lot of the 'noise' people see in cities, and those that city raiders get pissed about being everywhere.
This makes cities 'feel' safer. Loot 'looks' safer. And they are to a point. no loose walls of zombies milling around, only tighter groupings, as if they were drawn together by noise. You can grab your items, but hordes still exist (or dont, but I assume you use hordes if when I make the mod so it might just be easier now if they are off).
But, this makes hordes more sudden instead of a floating entity that trickles in. this makes the zombies more ambushy and makes them less noisy and thus more stealthy. This makes raiding more dangerous but less stressful. This allows players to die by their own actions, by choosing to chase that loot rather than suicidally yolo into a crowd.
So would you could you try the mod and give feedbacks?
https://github.com/pisskop/PKs_Rebalancing
For reference, I tried 4 times today to make it to sunup and did 1 time. The other times I died to running blindly into a crowd (naked and dark start), Zombies tearing down my wall (stopped to read a book), and good old cooking ammo (fires be useful yo).
Post by: Gentlefish on December 07, 2016, 09:53:45 pm
So Ive been experimenting with removing the Greenies as the default zombie spawn.
What I mean is, the game rolls a 1000 sided die when decides it wants to spawn something. It adds up all the spawns in the group it has chosen to spawn (based on location and chance), and goes down the weighted list. If the die lands on a monster, it checks how expensive it is. If it can spawn it it does, if it cannot afford it or it land on a 'vacant' number it spawns the default monster.
The default monster for zombie groups is a Greenie Zombie. Ive taken them out and put the Null Monster in instead; literally no spawn. this makes it so that all the singular spawning zombies will not spawn so much. this removes a lot of the 'noise' people see in cities, and those that city raiders get pissed about being everywhere.
This makes cities 'feel' safer. Loot 'looks' safer. And they are to a point. no loose walls of zombies milling around, only tighter groupings, as if they were drawn together by noise. You can grab your items, but hordes still exist (or dont, but I assume you use hordes if when I make the mod so it might just be easier now if they are off).
But, this makes hordes more sudden instead of a floating entity that trickles in. this makes the zombies more ambushy and makes them less noisy and thus more stealthy. This makes raiding more dangerous but less stressful. This allows players to die by their own actions, by choosing to chase that loot rather than suicidally yolo into a crowd.
So would you could you try the mod and give feedbacks?
https://github.com/pisskop/PKs_Rebalancing
For reference, I tried 4 times today to make it to sunup and did 1 time. The other times I died to running blindly into a crowd (naked and dark start), Zombies tearing down my wall (stopped to read a book), and good old cooking ammo (fires be useful yo).
I would love to, but.
How?
Post by: pisskop on December 07, 2016, 09:58:33 pm
2 ways. Using the github link theres a green "clone or download" button. thats it, and no further preperation is necessary other than putting it into the data/mods folder and deleting any PK_xxxxxx mod already there.
Or, using this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/il87ysjl85to0dc/PKs_Rebalancing.zip?dl=0
this is the same thing.
Part of what this tries to address is the complaints of the mod being 'too hard' and part of it is to experiment with the concept; some of the changes to the mod trickle into the core game.
-Religious cemeteries
-More aggressive fungus
-Apple orchards
-nightstalker brutes
-snapping zombies
are examples of what made it in thus far.
Post by: Darkmere on December 08, 2016, 04:12:02 am
-batteries-
Oh man. Phew. Scared me for a minute there.
Post by: duckman on December 08, 2016, 08:06:49 pm
Post by: Ehndras on December 09, 2016, 01:54:29 am
Should I...?
Also, my Solar APC was a bad idea. I mean, it can store 5,000 volume and is armored to all hell, but I have no god damn visibility. :| The damn thing's too long! Had to install opaque doors to get a little side view, and leave the damn doors wide open...
Bah.
Do mirrors work? If so, and I can figure out how, maybe they can help. If not, that should be a thing.
Post by: Ehndras on December 09, 2016, 03:48:14 am
Also, CAMERAS!? WHAT! Where do you find cameras?
I've got 4 basic solar cells, like 6 batteries, composite armor, reinforced tires, and my NPCs just hand onto the doors as I go. :P
I could a total of 12 NPCs huddled inside my little forest cabin...
I know I'm going to have to leave some of them behind. :( I cant ever seem to get more than 3 guys in the APC with me since I took out all the chairs.
Post by: Shadowgandor on December 09, 2016, 04:12:17 am
Theres a few natural laws that would stop that from happening. The few electric vehicles that do have any form power generation in their drivetrain have it to regain power while braking, and most are trains.
What kind of laws stop this from happening? According to this wikipedia article, there's already a prototype that can do this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_vehicle
I'm just curious to the reason as I thought it was possible, just not practical.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 09, 2016, 05:56:14 am
Theres a few natural laws that would stop that from happening. The few electric vehicles that do have any form power generation in their drivetrain have it to regain power while braking, and most are trains.
What kind of laws stop this from happening? According to this wikipedia article, there's already a prototype that can do this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_vehicle
I'm just curious to the reason as I thought it was possible, just not practical.
Thermodynamics, mostly. If you put an electric generator on an electric motor, you're going to get back less energy than you put in, because even in a perfect system you can never get more energy out than you put in, and there's always going to be inefficiencies like friction, electrical resistance, and similar effects that will take some of the energy away as heat.
Post by: Akura on December 09, 2016, 06:06:07 am
A 100% solar car works like this:
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sunlight->solar panels = electricity->engine->wheels = motion
battery-/\ ->battery = storage
->vehicle electronics
->waste heat(not represented in cataclysm)A conventional engine works thusly:
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fuel->engine->power->wheels = motion
-> alternator = electricity->vehicle electronics
->battery
->waste heat(not in cataclysm)Ninja'd dammit.
Post by: duckman on December 09, 2016, 06:27:59 am
Only really I like the APC is for storage. I have... Jeeze... 10 trunks, each with 650 volume capacity, plus a bed with a down pillow, down blanket, and sheet, with a 9mm and fire extinguisher hidden beneath ;) Got my M2 Browning (came equipped) on the roof, not sure how it works but I've not needed it thus far.Inboard mirrors win over security cameras if you have direct line of sight to the part they are attached to from your driver's seat since they don't use power but, ironically, you can't attach them to parts where boards/heavy duty boards are. Your APC should already have cameras and camera controls attached to it if you didn't remove them while customizing it.
Also, CAMERAS!? WHAT! Where do you find cameras?
I've got 4 basic solar cells, like 6 batteries, composite armor, reinforced tires, and my NPCs just hand onto the doors as I go. :P
I could a total of 12 NPCs huddled inside my little forest cabin...
I know I'm going to have to leave some of them behind. :( I cant ever seem to get more than 3 guys in the APC with me since I took out all the chairs.
As for the NPCs, did you find any bicycles/electric cars? Attach a dozen bare extra light frames to the back of the APC and add seats/saddles. It's not like they've been riding any less safely if they normally just hang onto doors. Once you get to wherever you need to go, you can just detach the seats and frames. If you accelerate and decelerate slowly, some of them might even stay in their seats. Or you can just use seat belts.
Post by: Ehndras on December 09, 2016, 07:20:09 am
Post by: Ehndras on December 09, 2016, 07:30:22 am
In other news, I fit over 3,800 volume of useful goodies, materials, dozens of different tools, a few guns I found, hazmat suit, firesuit, and everything else vaguely useful, rammed into the 10 trunks I built into my APC. I have iron, steel, scrap, plastic, kevlar, leather, felt, 12 different types of seeds (including hemp), saw, knives, shovel, brick kiln, charcoal burner, anvil, chemistry set, hotplate, food dehydrator, and weird shit like metallic smoother which I have no clue how to use. I have thousands of items, most of which I'm clueless on their use, but I'm a flaming hoarder in videogames so it works out in my favor when I build a base.
Added a wing mirror which, after moving it around a bit, gave me line of sight to my left. Right side is still totally dark, and I had problems after ramming into wrecked cars on the highway.
I added spikes all along the front of the vehicle, which is 5 tiles wide, so I can impale anything I ram and hopefully pull the E-brake in time to not wreck my engine.
Oh, and I fixed up a motorcycle I found and parked it by my old base. Might use it to go scouting if I can scrouge up enough gas.
I've never left the starting area, and the town is now 100% dry.
OH, also, found a minefield. Got a bunch of mines I disarmed. ??? Profit?
Is money on cards useful? I have like... Half a million after looting a bank and a bunch of scientists and dead soldiers.
I am now a battle-axe wielding, (homemade)suppressed M1911-wielding lunatic in a solar APC carrying crates full of shit to fuck-knows-where to hopefully build a base somewhere.
I have NPCS all active, both wandering and static. Haven't found any static yet, except this one asshole in a basement who tried to kill me and got his ass eaten by a sewer snake I then had to kill. Had nice tools, some guns, and electrical components tho.
Btw, can I do anything with a broken manhack and burned-out implants? Or are they wasting valuable storage space uselessly?
Post by: Rince Wind on December 09, 2016, 07:56:46 am
Post by: duckman on December 09, 2016, 10:21:40 am
The annoying thing is, the APC has only one window, which isn't centered. Its a reinforced windshield which is to the LEFT of the central tile, so I can use a mirror on the left and not the right, since the central tile is solid and has the M2-Browning on it.Cash cards can be deposited for real money that you can use in trades with NPCs. You can trade the cash card directly too, but they're a bit buggy since bartering seems to affect their trade value. It usually isn't beneficial, since any NPC that you can trade with will typically have fairly high skill in bartering which reduces the value of your items in trade while making theirs cost more.
In other news, I fit over 3,800 volume of useful goodies, materials, dozens of different tools, a few guns I found, hazmat suit, firesuit, and everything else vaguely useful, rammed into the 10 trunks I built into my APC. I have iron, steel, scrap, plastic, kevlar, leather, felt, 12 different types of seeds (including hemp), saw, knives, shovel, brick kiln, charcoal burner, anvil, chemistry set, hotplate, food dehydrator, and weird shit like metallic smoother which I have no clue how to use. I have thousands of items, most of which I'm clueless on their use, but I'm a flaming hoarder in videogames so it works out in my favor when I build a base.
Added a wing mirror which, after moving it around a bit, gave me line of sight to my left. Right side is still totally dark, and I had problems after ramming into wrecked cars on the highway.
I added spikes all along the front of the vehicle, which is 5 tiles wide, so I can impale anything I ram and hopefully pull the E-brake in time to not wreck my engine.
Oh, and I fixed up a motorcycle I found and parked it by my old base. Might use it to go scouting if I can scrouge up enough gas.
I've never left the starting area, and the town is now 100% dry.
OH, also, found a minefield. Got a bunch of mines I disarmed. ??? Profit?
Is money on cards useful? I have like... Half a million after looting a bank and a bunch of scientists and dead soldiers.
I am now a battle-axe wielding, (homemade)suppressed M1911-wielding lunatic in a solar APC carrying crates full of shit to fuck-knows-where to hopefully build a base somewhere.
I have NPCS all active, both wandering and static. Haven't found any static yet, except this one asshole in a basement who tried to kill me and got his ass eaten by a sewer snake I then had to kill. Had nice tools, some guns, and electrical components tho.
Btw, can I do anything with a broken manhack and burned-out implants? Or are they wasting valuable storage space uselessly?
And it seems you still haven't found any static NPCs, since the ones that are hostile by default usually have a posse that accompany them. Find an Evac Shelter, use the console in the corner, and one of the options should lead you on a path towards a Refugee Station.
For the last one, if you have enough electronics and fabrication, I think you can build an inactive manhack that you can use. You might need mechanics or computer skill too.
Post by: Ehndras on December 09, 2016, 10:41:20 am
I deconstructed the terminal. Screwed with all the menus, didn't find anything that useful, so I scrapped it for parts.
Also, thanks for telling me about the cash card thing!
Post by: Aseaheru on December 09, 2016, 11:37:36 am
Post by: Descan on December 09, 2016, 03:41:51 pm
gas engine:
petrol -> engine -> alternator -> battery -> whatever the electricity is used for.
electric engine:
(original electrical source) -> battery -> engine -> alternator -> battery -> whatever the electricity is used for, inc. the engine and alternator.
The first one is a single line, the second is cyclical because while the original energy is imparted through solar power or a power plant, after the first time through the "original energy source" is the alternator
because it's cylical, every time it goes through, you lose energy to heat. energy is going to either move the vehicle (called "work") or generate heat. if you stick an alternator on, some of that energy instead goes into the battery. And it's not gonna suddenly generate less heat, so you're taking energy from the "work" of moving to vehicle and instead put it into the "work" of running the alternator.
so you go slower, AND you lose more energy to heat (because the energy then goes through the engine again and again, losing about the same percentage to heat each time)
so it's just more efficient to stick a solar panel on the car than an alternator; it's an external source of power instead of a cyclical/internal 'source'.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on December 09, 2016, 06:12:08 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 09, 2016, 06:54:27 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 09, 2016, 07:57:47 pm
Fungaloids aren't too bad, just can't melee them unless you have some fungicide back home, and since most can't actually see as long as you keep your distance they won't catch your scent. Trifflids I actually consider a boon. As long as they are not spawning on top of your base they are an extremely good source of food. I think you can turn the fluid sacs into diesel as well.
Post by: pisskop on December 09, 2016, 08:00:41 pm
they dont care if you can see them or them you
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 09, 2016, 08:44:03 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 09, 2016, 08:56:33 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 09, 2016, 09:00:17 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 09, 2016, 09:03:32 pm
But If somebody were playing a certain PK mod that problem would be avoided by aggressive fungus that can hear and seek you out ...
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 09, 2016, 09:13:20 pm
Especially if it's raining, that goes half of your options for destroying them. Well, technically a third, but if I recall smashing them releases spores.
Post by: pisskop on December 09, 2016, 09:15:49 pm
Killing the fungus monsters should be enough. Somebody will make a 'mininuke fungicide' that will turn everything to dirt again too. eventually.
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 09, 2016, 09:26:58 pm
The entire POINT of fungal terrain is that it spawns spores.
Post by: pisskop on December 09, 2016, 09:31:23 pm
they are inert
Marloss bushes, fungal shrubs, even wall iirc.
all inert.
Post by: Aseaheru on December 10, 2016, 11:48:01 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on December 11, 2016, 11:42:26 am
Post by: duckman on December 12, 2016, 03:56:08 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 12, 2016, 04:07:16 pm
Is it just me or has the performance been horrid in the updates made in the last two to three weeks?yes.
Post by: Rince Wind on December 12, 2016, 04:30:45 pm
Is it just me or has the performance been horrid in the updates made in the last two to three weeks?yes.
Yes, it is him?
Yes, performance has been horrid?
Yes both?
Post by: pisskop on December 12, 2016, 04:38:51 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 12, 2016, 04:57:02 pm
So with advanced nutrition being a thing, I figured the blood analysis cbm would have given you the ability to check your current nutrient levels.
Nutrition was another poorly-thought-out feature. Allegedly for a good few months, and possibly still today, the deficiencies don't even trigger any effects.
Post by: Greiger on December 12, 2016, 05:21:45 pm
I would prefer the new system to the old. It just needs finished.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on December 12, 2016, 06:01:07 pm
its slower nao
hmmm... could you give me some pointers as to when it went to hell?
Which version I mean
Post by: duckman on December 12, 2016, 08:20:23 pm
So with advanced nutrition being a thing, I figured the blood analysis cbm would have given you the ability to check your current nutrient levels.
Nutrition was another poorly-thought-out feature. Allegedly for a good few months, and possibly still today, the deficiencies don't even trigger any effects.
I think the main idea of it was that you didn't want to just down an entire bottle of vitamins every time you came across them anymore. Though I don't know if hypervitaminosis does anything either.I've mostly been switching it on and off to test things anyways, so it doesn't really matter.
I would prefer the new system to the old. It just needs finished.
By the way, does anyone know where the painkiller speed debuff is coming from? I haven't even used the stuff I picked up yet, and now I need to worry about another 3% loss of speed because my body is apparently producing "painkillers" that don't do anything?
Post by: pisskop on December 12, 2016, 10:25:54 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 12, 2016, 10:52:51 pm
Also I've been getting hit with acid rains out of literally nowhere, which has killed me about half of my runs. What's up with that? Is it a glitch with the particular version I'm running?
Post by: pisskop on December 12, 2016, 10:59:50 pm
my mod, iirc, is the only one with acid rain.
its only a prob on the first few days
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 12, 2016, 11:02:25 pm
Any reason you didn't include the acid drizzle 'warning feature'?
Post by: pisskop on December 12, 2016, 11:08:57 pm
on my list of things to change in the basegame. that and making animals lose morale in acid rain
but, tbh, id be happiest just having autumn be the stsrting season
Post by: duckman on December 12, 2016, 11:37:32 pm
painkillers cam be as simple as alcohol. asprin, various combat stims, etcFood has gotten hardcore in the near future then, because I ate a meat pie and drank some cranberry juice. When I said I didn't touch the stuff, I meant ANY of the stuff. I didn't even drink any soda yet.
Edit: Wait, it's probably the cold. Numbness from walking towards town, I guess.
Post by: Kaitol on December 12, 2016, 11:58:42 pm
I've just started playing again after about two months, experimental of course, and like before, I'm dealing with the fact that I'm really, really garbage at surviving in this game. I haven't made it to my first nightfall yet on any run, and I've killed all of one normal zombie though something like 8 runs.
Also I've been getting hit with acid rains out of literally nowhere, which has killed me about half of my runs. What's up with that? Is it a glitch with the particular version I'm running?
Really? Uhhh. Try starting as a firefighter. turnout gear is basically immune to regular zeds and has good acid protection, which is several noob killers solved. Also the halligen bar they start off with is an okay weapon, but you'l want to replace it with something with block quickly. lure zombies to areas that slow movement, like furniture or bushes or windows. And you probably want to turn pisskops mod off. It basically just adds a bunch of death. Do it once the game starts to feel a bit boring. And make sure your encumbrance is low UNLESS your armor is protective and covering enough to negate most zeds damage, turnout gear will suffice unless you're fighting brutes or tanks or similar. Drop your backpack or whatever while enemies are still far away to lower enc. Don't even try to fight dogs or children at 0 skill with high encumbrance unless like above you have solid protection.
Post by: Cattani on December 13, 2016, 08:57:54 am
The wiki says its an artifact, and it seems to be totally evil.
That leaves me with two questions...
First: is it useful/worth it to use such an evil artifact? I cant tell because i'm too much of a newb.
Second: uh I guess I found that thing while harvesting random bushes in the swamp. Seriously, artifacts dropping from bushes? Shouldn't those be rare or something?
Post by: Azated on December 13, 2016, 10:32:06 am
First: is it useful/worth it to use such an evil artifact? I cant tell because i'm too much of a newb.
Second: uh I guess I found that thing while harvesting random bushes in the swamp. Seriously, artifacts dropping from bushes? Shouldn't those be rare or something?
I'm guessing you've already seen this wiki page (http://www.wiki.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?title=Artifacts), but I figured I'd put it there anyway. Spoilers as always with the wiki, but the should tell you what your artifact does.
I normally don't risk using an artifact unless I'm in a really bad situation. Sometimes they work like a fireball wand, casting a molotov-like effect at a targeted square, and sometimes that make you go nuts, destroy your stats, and turn you into cataclysms' equivalent of a crazed necromancer, and not in a good way... mostly.
Artifacts usually spawn in very noticeable areas. Usually in a 3x3 of rubble surrounded by a completely single-detail area of dirt for a small distance (Maybe 10x10 tiles or something, it's not very big). It looks similar to a small minefield, but there's an artifact in the centre. Sometimes this dirt zone generates without an artifact, which sucks because it always makes me wonder what I could have found
Post by: Cattani on December 13, 2016, 10:38:29 am
Artifacts usually spawn in very noticeable areas. Usually in a 3x3 of rubble surrounded by a completely single-detail area of dirt for a small distance (Maybe 10x10 tiles or something, it's not very big). It looks similar to a small minefield, but there's an artifact in the centre. Sometimes this dirt zone generates without an artifact, which sucks because it always makes me wonder what I could have found
Oh I see... Well that must be where I found it, then... Usually I wander around a lot with my shopping cart.
Thank you for the answer! I will probably shove it in the pile of useless junk then.
Post by: n9103 on December 13, 2016, 03:14:00 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 13, 2016, 08:21:37 pm
Spoiler: Sooo Many (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ehndras on December 14, 2016, 05:02:04 am
Holy, friggin, shyte.
There's 2 other labs nearby... >_< The damn lab's interior goes on for like 8 tiles.
Not even sure what to do at this point, I've full of loot but can't find the way out. :|
Post by: scriver on December 14, 2016, 06:54:06 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 14, 2016, 10:07:40 am
Problem is, all the local cars are either surrounded by zombies of varieties I'm ill-equipped to slay or derelict, and I've never actually survived long enough to actually learn how to fiddle with mechanics, and also I don't actually have a good set of tools for mechanics, and finally there's no nearby garages to source vehicle parts or more tools.
How do I best proceed from here?
Post by: Cattani on December 14, 2016, 10:33:32 am
Well, I've managed to survive a couple days this time because I tweaked some of the settings so that everything isn't suffering. Problem is, I have a wheelbarrow and a shopping cart full ofhoarder crapuseful supplies that I really want to bring with me over to the local survivor complex, where I'll hopefully be able to set up a permanent base of operations. Problem is, it's on the far side of a city and the last thing I want to do is make three runs through a place filled with nasty things while dragging around a ton of material.
Problem is, all the local cars are either surrounded by zombies of varieties I'm ill-equipped to slay or derelict, and I've never actually survived long enough to actually learn how to fiddle with mechanics, and also I don't actually have a good set of tools for mechanics, and finally there's no nearby garages to source vehicle parts or more tools.
How do I best proceed from here?
Set up a temporary base to keep your stash while you scout the region for alternatives?
Or just find a subway/manhole and try your luck navigating the sewers!
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 14, 2016, 10:42:23 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 14, 2016, 12:07:13 pm
How do I best proceed from here?
Flank the city if at all possible. Keep as many of the outer building between you and any globs of undead in the streets. If you have those triffids or other Fun things blocking the way, than pick your way through the outermost houses and hope that both zeds and outside nasties get lured towards you, bogged up in the buildings, then end up infighting.
Post by: NullForceOmega on December 15, 2016, 01:11:18 pm
Post by: Azated on December 15, 2016, 03:43:52 pm
Well, I've managed to survive a couple days this time because I tweaked some of the settings so that everything isn't suffering. Problem is, I have a wheelbarrow and a shopping cart full ofhoarder crapuseful supplies that I really want to bring with me over to the local survivor complex, where I'll hopefully be able to set up a permanent base of operations. Problem is, it's on the far side of a city and the last thing I want to do is make three runs through a place filled with nasty things while dragging around a ton of material.
Problem is, all the local cars are either surrounded by zombies of varieties I'm ill-equipped to slay or derelict, and I've never actually survived long enough to actually learn how to fiddle with mechanics, and also I don't actually have a good set of tools for mechanics, and finally there's no nearby garages to source vehicle parts or more tools.
How do I best proceed from here?
If you have the tools, you might be able to put the shopping basket on your wheelbarrow too, or just find a bigger storage. After that, you need the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything.
Rollerskates.
These things are better than cars. They're silent, they don't need fuel, and you can dash in and out of houses when you need to. You run at three times the speed of a zombie and you walking a good 10-20 steps faster. Just make sure you take them off when you fight or walk over dirt otherwise rip in pickles to you.
Post by: Ehndras on December 16, 2016, 08:35:24 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 16, 2016, 08:40:03 am
Post by: pisskop on December 16, 2016, 09:37:27 am
and stay onthe concrete, you dont get a grass bonus
Post by: duckman on December 17, 2016, 02:24:35 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on December 17, 2016, 02:25:43 am
Post by: Gentlefish on December 17, 2016, 03:08:01 am
I get that powdered eggs need to be re-hydrated, but I don't think I know anyone who waters down regular eggs.
It's a little silly that it requires water for scrambled eggs, but it does serve a culinary purpose - it makes them fluffier.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 17, 2016, 03:50:29 am
Also, it would probably be a good idea to add milk as an optional alternative to water. Milk works the same way, except it also adds a subtle difference in flavor and texture because of the fat.
Post by: §k on December 17, 2016, 05:52:41 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on December 17, 2016, 07:25:15 am
I mean, you can, but it takes just as long as doing each one individually. You'd figure you could shell them and then cook the whole lot at once, at least.
Post by: Aseaheru on December 17, 2016, 03:54:50 pm
Post by: BigD145 on December 17, 2016, 04:32:36 pm
Post by: Kaitol on December 18, 2016, 02:13:23 am
Post by: duckman on December 18, 2016, 06:59:49 am
just make water/milk a required ingredient for deluxe scrambled eggs and remove water from regular scrambled egg. Boom, everyone is happy.Without water, powdered eggs aren't going to work out as part of the recipe. A separate recipe for bird and reptile eggs is what's needed. The only obstacle is whether people are more annoyed about item/recipe/menu bloat or having to water eggs.
Post by: Descan on December 20, 2016, 12:55:29 am
Post by: Sheb on December 20, 2016, 05:13:14 am
Post by: pisskop on December 20, 2016, 06:16:45 am
you can do [[egg] OR [pegg]] And water
Post by: teoleo on December 27, 2016, 12:07:00 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on December 27, 2016, 12:26:04 pm
Post by: pisskop on December 28, 2016, 06:34:07 pm
Please watch.
What it is:
- a no-audio (there is audio, but its just music that will probs trigger copyright at some point) and its just text and the curses.
- Its a showoff of me surviving the first 4 hours. It only took me 4 hours to deem myself sufficiently equipped to show off success.
- Its got some tips
- Its a midnight hobo in early spring in a burning building.
Post by: Majestic7 on December 29, 2016, 02:35:37 am
Post by: scriver on December 29, 2016, 06:01:55 am
Post by: Micro102 on December 29, 2016, 06:22:46 am
Post by: Aseaheru on December 29, 2016, 11:51:57 am
How does one fire guns mounted on vehicles?First off, you using the vehicle additions mod?
Post by: scriver on December 29, 2016, 01:49:47 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on December 29, 2016, 03:34:46 pm
Post by: scriver on December 29, 2016, 03:44:24 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 29, 2016, 03:45:26 pm
Post by: scriver on December 29, 2016, 04:02:24 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 29, 2016, 07:56:14 pm
Post by: duckman on January 07, 2017, 03:59:02 am
Post by: boatie on January 26, 2017, 09:10:45 am
I was hoping to find a Windows executable of the original Whales version of the game. Anybody have one floating around?
Post by: IcyTea31 on January 26, 2017, 09:33:53 am
I was hoping to find a Windows executable of the original Whales version of the game. Anybody have one floating around?Based on my cursory search, the download site seems to have been taken by domain squatters. The source code is still available on Github (https://github.com/Whales/Cataclysm) if you have the know-how to compile it.
I also have a personal copy on my hard drive, but I'd rather not get into throwing it around if it can be avoided.
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2017, 11:05:37 am
https://twitter.com/whalesdev
Post by: pisskop on January 26, 2017, 11:09:02 am
is cdda2.0 still a thing?
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 26, 2017, 11:10:25 am
Post by: BigD145 on January 26, 2017, 11:51:40 am
I was hoping to find a Windows executable of the original Whales version of the game. Anybody have one floating around?Based on my cursory search, the download site seems to have been taken by domain squatters. The source code is still available on Github (https://github.com/Whales/Cataclysm) if you have the know-how to compile it.
I also have a personal copy on my hard drive, but I'd rather not get into throwing it around if it can be avoided.
With MinGW it's not too hard to compile.
Post by: boatie on January 27, 2017, 08:07:35 am
I also have a personal copy on my hard drive, but I'd rather not get into throwing it around if it can be avoided.
Why not? It's just for my own personal use, I'm not a file sharing website!
Post by: Strife26 on January 27, 2017, 12:02:42 pm
It's been a while since I played this. Has there been any development on objectives or things to do? The most interesting thing I remember is helping the refugees build up a base at a ranch, but it was the same for each character.
No.
Dev team seems to be spinning wheels on fixing behind the scenes things right now.
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 27, 2017, 12:22:53 pm
No.
Dev team seems to be spinning wheels on fixing behind the scenes things right now.
Lot of it's been fixing bad code, even worse as lot of features added in the past few months have generated a lot of fixing immediately afterward. -w-
Post by: scriver on January 28, 2017, 07:47:51 am
Allright, in that case for most turrets you need to be on the tile, with nothing in your hands, and then use the "fire' key you have for guns. You can get them working on their own, but its a bit of a pain and requires quite a bit of skill(or finding a few atomic minitanks and taking the turret systems out of their secondary armaments)
I eventually figured out why I couldn't get this working no matter how I tried.
I kept overlooking that "with nothing on your hands" part.
Post by: Aseaheru on January 28, 2017, 08:06:01 am
Post by: Azated on January 29, 2017, 11:55:47 am
Moose, man. Never again.
Post by: pisskop on January 29, 2017, 12:04:46 pm
Moose are afraid of fires. And shouting at them. The trick is to see them ahead of time, and light a fire or to make yourself not the closest target. ALL monsters will path the the closest target to them unless they possess one of the relatively new ai pathing tags, so putting yourself away from them will let you run.
Remember that if you see a jabberwock closing.
But yes, moose kicks are bad bears. Smash is one of the most dangerous attacks a monster can possess. Smashing knocks you back and down, hitting walls or trees hurts, hitting the floor hurts, you can be knocked off buildings if applicable, and the more bashing D it does the more D you take from the hit.
Ive pitted titans against each other, and one that smashes will beat one with more raw damage output. Because a successful smash attack will guarantee that there cannot be a counter, and its a painful process. Youll take a lot of pain to slow you down.
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 29, 2017, 12:17:13 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on January 29, 2017, 12:27:12 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 29, 2017, 12:27:20 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 29, 2017, 12:31:23 pm
:roll: Now where have I seen this kind of censorship before?
Nontheless.
- Cougars arent aggressive like they are in the game irl.
- Moose arent found in 80% of NE and certainly not in the numbers given in coregame.
- Bears arent giant pussies like they are in coregame irl
- Wolves arent so ungodly terrifying irl either.
Moose tossing person is possible. youre taking the distance into consideration when making that statement, which I have exactly zero control over.
Distance of a smash attack is, iirc, DiceSides*DiceTotal. Cutting and extra attack types dont count.
Therefore, in order to make it not toss you as hard Id have to make its attack always deal a static amount (which I can do if people want), or I have to l have to live and let (you) die.
Post by: NullForceOmega on January 29, 2017, 12:54:57 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 29, 2017, 12:59:06 pm
Ive gone and diluted the concentrations of moose, bears, cougars, and wolves in my mod because unlike in coregame I enjoy not walking into biological timebombs that are in record high numbers 5 days after the end of the world.
Post by: scriver on January 29, 2017, 03:04:32 pm
The trick is to see them ahead of time
Morning Moose Surprise is one of my fondest experiences of the game ;)
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 29, 2017, 06:34:49 pm
Or, y'know, those of us who disagree with you can just keep not playing your mod.
Post by: Girlinhat on January 29, 2017, 07:13:06 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 29, 2017, 07:47:35 pm
but you could have a mod that allowed. 'light eat/drinker' as a starter trait.
i think i could whip one up for tomorrow night if you wanted?
Post by: Aseaheru on January 29, 2017, 08:38:14 pm
-One check later-
Light eater costs two points at char creation, there is no low thirst option at char creation. Atleast, if yer playing baseline human.
Post by: Azated on January 29, 2017, 09:03:11 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 30, 2017, 12:45:39 am
Post by: Strife26 on January 30, 2017, 03:27:55 am
Post by: Majestic7 on January 30, 2017, 06:40:59 am
Post by: pisskop on January 30, 2017, 08:05:12 am
Post by: BigD145 on January 30, 2017, 12:12:52 pm
Use the debug menu Luke, use the debuuuug menu~
I almost always debug in light eater.
Post by: iceball3 on January 30, 2017, 01:38:10 pm
If you aimed for Toady-like realism, physical stats should affect hunger ticks. If you are really muscular, you need more calories than without any muscles at all. So I suppose a gigantic bodybuilder that just sits and reads would still eat more than 5ft tall reed stick.Or a... 5ft tall read stick?
That said, if being stronger made you more hungry, I'd figure that the game should focus on more beneficial realism first, I.E. the body being able to sequester emergency calories in the form of fat.
Post by: Egan_BW on January 30, 2017, 05:32:50 pm
Post by: pisskop on January 30, 2017, 05:34:32 pm
High Str is increased caloric reqs.
High Dex is jitteryness or relative frailty.
High Int is the mental imbalances.
High Per is ticks and perhaps fixations.
Post by: Aseaheru on January 30, 2017, 06:41:15 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on January 30, 2017, 07:17:59 pm
Post by: ollobrains on January 31, 2017, 03:38:53 am
Why aren't walker legs a part on vehicles yet? Like 8-legged tanks, insect style. Slow, but ignores terrain obstacles. Potentially small foldable versions too, like spindly little legs.
great idea
Post by: Culise on January 31, 2017, 08:58:52 am
Why aren't walker legs a part on vehicles yet? Like 8-legged tanks, insect style. Slow, but ignores terrain obstacles. Potentially small foldable versions too, like spindly little legs.
Spoiler: I like this idea. I really do (click to show/hide)
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 31, 2017, 01:07:44 pm
Post by: Culise on January 31, 2017, 03:46:11 pm
Post by: Strife26 on January 31, 2017, 03:58:55 pm
And besides, legged based vehicles are utterly impractical so it'd have to be a completely survivor built project, which is beyond the game's single-survivor with limited tools level.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on January 31, 2017, 04:23:19 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 31, 2017, 06:54:25 pm
The dev community has very interesting ideas of what qualifies as realism for the setting.
And besides, legged based vehicles are utterly impractical so it'd have to be a completely survivor built project, which is beyond the game's single-survivor with limited tools level.
Don't look at me, with my acid-spitting jade-decorated leather armor, flashbang warhammers, the fucking Sigil, etc. o3o
Post by: Girlinhat on January 31, 2017, 07:13:33 pm
Post by: Strife26 on January 31, 2017, 07:19:36 pm
The dev community has very interesting ideas of what qualifies as realism for the setting.
And besides, legged based vehicles are utterly impractical so it'd have to be a completely survivor built project, which is beyond the game's single-survivor with limited tools level.
Don't look at me, with my acid-spitting jade-decorated leather armor, flashbang warhammers, the fucking Sigil, etc. o3o
It's tough to look at it now that it's more work to get running in the main game. :c
Post by: TheBronzePickle on January 31, 2017, 07:21:53 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 31, 2017, 07:27:09 pm
It's tough to look at it now that it's more work to get running in the main game. :c
Yeah, I'm...salty about it. ._.
Post by: Rolan7 on January 31, 2017, 08:12:13 pm
Walkers would be useful on rocky, mountainous, or otherwise unstable terrain that wheeled or tracked vehicles would be hard-pressed to cross. It would actually be very useful in a survival setting, as roads are probably crumbling or just straight up not there anymore and there's not really much way to build new ones, but at the same time, Cataclysm is fairly flat and there's not really many places where that one advantage would actually come into play.Yeah. Walkers on stairs are still clumsy, but they manage, whereas wheels just don't. Maybe I'm underestimating treads, but seems like legs *with futuristic algorithms* and foot-dexterity could actually do better.
Post by: NullForceOmega on January 31, 2017, 08:16:15 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on January 31, 2017, 08:51:30 pm
That said, tracks are way, way better over soft ground. Legs have the lowest surface area of any means of locomotion, which means they will sink very easily.
Post by: Rolan7 on January 31, 2017, 08:54:57 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on January 31, 2017, 10:11:44 pm
Post by: Culise on January 31, 2017, 11:20:04 pm
I do agree treads are much better than legs in areas where there aren't large numbers of significant obstacles with respect to the size of the vehicle itself, but indeed, walkers do have significant issues with surface pressure when scaled up from drone size (the Boston Dynamic drones mentioned before; their largest walkers are still comparable to humans in size) to, say, the size of an Abrams or T-14; the tyranny of the square-cube law strikes again. It's obviously not impossible given that real-life creatures exist (the return of war elephants, now in mecha form?), but you also have to ask if it's more efficient than a treaded vehicle. That said, this is a game where we can hook a gas canister up to a broadsword, light up, and go wild without incident or issue. I'm not too fussed, especially if it ends in spider tanks a la Outpost 2 or Ghost in the Shell. :P
Post by: Girlinhat on February 01, 2017, 12:26:22 am
The point I'm trying to make is that for the effort of designing, engineering, and maintaining a walker, a wheeled vehicle could be designed, engineered, and maintained FAR more easily, for whatever its specific use is. Sure, you could make a stair-climbing walker for $20,000 but you could also make a stair-climbing wheeled vehicle for like $1,000. You could also make a walker for climbing, running, dealing with water, handling rubble, etc... but if you made a wheeled vehicle specifically to deal with any of those, it would be easier and cheaper.
The truth is that walkers aren't complicated. A basic level walker would be 6 legs, with a lifting motion, a pivot forwards/back, and a lowering motion. Down to basics, that could be 2 motors per leg. With a human operator doing the fuzzy logic, you could just have those motors on individual controls and the pilot could determine how far forward and how far down each leg goes, and slowly traverse basically anything. Making a self-adjusting walker, especially a two-legged or four-legged (which can't remain on a tripod at rest as a six-legged could), or a walker to carry weight or move at significant speed, would be VERY difficult. Especially getting a robot that can see the terrain and determine how to walk. But the most basic core of moving legs is actually pretty easy.
The thing is that wheels are even easier. They just spin. No articulation, no range of movement, no thought, just spinning. But this is Cataclysm. The engineering behind it doesn't matter because you can craft nuclear bombs in the back seat of your plasma powered hatchback. The upkeep doesn't matter because you have whole cities to strip for parts and fuel, and don't have to pay for it or deal with a boss who's upset with your investment. The speed doesn't even really matter because you're playing on your time, and if you decide to go slowly then that's fine, and 10mph is plenty to just make your way across the terrain.
TL;DR - Walkers aren't difficult, they're just inefficient. I can find reasons to avoid a lot of things in game, but there's not a good reason to exclude walker legs when we do include flotation devices and plasma powered scooters and mounted glob launchers that you can put on top of your glob rollers.
Post by: n9103 on February 01, 2017, 01:25:12 am
Spoiler: *insert "Dixie" notes here* (click to show/hide)
In seriousness though, tanks aren't as easily defeated by rough terrain as it's sounding in here.
Case in point, the Abrams can clear (as in climb over) a 4 foot vertical wall, cross a 9 foot trench, and traverse at least a 60% slope (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1-specs.htm).
I would expect all those numbers to have been fudged a bit as well, since they're representative of current military equipment, thus actual figures would be classified.
Post by: Neonivek on February 01, 2017, 02:48:37 am
Heck one US tank rampage was only stopped because it managed to disable itself after plowing right through several buildings... how? A cement barrier.
Post by: Aseaheru on February 01, 2017, 02:50:06 am
The new Japanese tank (the Type 10) manages 70km/h both forward and backwards. Which is probably just what the governor allows.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 01, 2017, 02:58:30 am
Post by: NullForceOmega on February 01, 2017, 09:58:15 am
And it was an American tank that Neo is talking about, but the concrete barriers in this case were highway dividers, so fairly heavily reinforced, it was a old tank tho', not a modern one.
Think the one in the picture above is a Russian T-90.
It is very interesting how often tanks get brought up in this thread, probably due to the lack of track components for vehicles.
Post by: n9103 on February 01, 2017, 11:00:23 am
That aint no 'murican tank.Never said it was. That little tune is universal. If you're pulling an epic jump with a large vehicle, you've earned the right to play it. (in that instance) :P
Post by: Strife26 on February 01, 2017, 11:09:54 am
Tanks have come a long way but it wasn't unusual for them to become disabled for the tiniest of reasons... such as a rock got in their tracks, or they tried to clear a speed barrier.
Heck one US tank rampage was only stopped because it managed to disable itself after plowing right through several buildings... how? A cement barrier.
There's not a ground vehicle in the world that can deal with being high centered. I guess that might be an advantage of legs because they have a variable height, but that's definitely an edge case.
Post by: pisskop on February 01, 2017, 11:45:03 am
Post by: Greiger on February 01, 2017, 12:15:43 pm
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Nokota_Horses_cropped.jpg/220px-Nokota_Horses_cropped.jpg)
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 01, 2017, 12:17:12 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on February 01, 2017, 12:25:23 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 01, 2017, 12:28:05 pm
Post by: Greiger on February 01, 2017, 12:36:06 pm
It helpfully informed me that 'while skyrim horses are not as fast as those from other regions they are equipped with antigrav units to help scale the mountains of skyrim'.
Post by: Darkmere on February 01, 2017, 02:08:28 pm
It is very interesting how often tanks get brought up in this thread, probably due to the lack of track components for vehicles.
They're in the extended vehicle components mod. Or they were, last time I played.
Post by: pisskop on February 01, 2017, 03:09:12 pm
a very popular mod too
Post by: NullForceOmega on February 01, 2017, 04:13:20 pm
Post by: pisskop on February 01, 2017, 04:35:03 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on February 01, 2017, 04:45:16 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 01, 2017, 05:20:30 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on February 02, 2017, 12:44:45 am
Except chicken walkers are still as large as in star wars, and tank bots are actual tanks and hulks are the size of a tank.Never underestimate the ability of a tank to grind things under its tracks. :P
Post by: duckman on February 02, 2017, 01:13:36 am
Anyone know how long that's been a thing? I don't think it happens all that often, since most vehicles have a windshield/mega-ram between the driver's seat and whatever they're hitting.
Post by: pisskop on February 02, 2017, 07:40:15 am
so since never it has been a thing. go report it
Post by: n9103 on February 02, 2017, 10:50:49 am
Post by: iceball3 on February 03, 2017, 09:20:06 pm
In fact, I can't see any disadvantage at all to arbritrarily increasing dexterity, given how it is supposed to represent both fine motor control and large motor mobility and precision.
Post by: Egan_BW on February 03, 2017, 10:16:11 pm
Post by: Azated on February 04, 2017, 02:21:46 am
Post by: pisskop on February 04, 2017, 02:10:49 pm
its just talk/ideas. the jitteriness ingame is always situational and brought about as by a temporary stimulus.
be it chemical, stress/hormonal, or an attack
Post by: Adragis on February 04, 2017, 03:48:10 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on February 04, 2017, 04:48:12 pm
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Post by: ChairmanPoo on February 04, 2017, 04:56:28 pm
Post by: Adragis on February 04, 2017, 05:21:02 pm
Post by: BigD145 on February 04, 2017, 07:09:18 pm
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14090.0
OH! Well that's good news. Been waiting years on that.
Post by: Strife26 on February 04, 2017, 09:32:30 pm
Post by: Greiger on February 05, 2017, 12:44:51 pm
I figured it would be M at worst. Not like there's anything sexual in it except the vibrator, and that does a far better job at disguising it's function than a lot of M rated games do. Though I also play with graphics off so maybe a tileset has something.
Post by: pisskop on February 05, 2017, 12:49:27 pm
Post by: Akura on February 05, 2017, 01:04:53 pm
Spoiler: for language (click to show/hide)
Also possibly because you can murder (zombie) children, and it eventually stops affecting you?
Post by: Darkmere on February 05, 2017, 01:06:05 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on February 05, 2017, 01:38:43 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 05, 2017, 02:55:39 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 05, 2017, 02:58:03 pm
Post by: Darkmere on February 05, 2017, 03:11:19 pm
Don't forget Chesthole's tileset default sprites having topless players/NPCs, male or female.
W---why?
Post by: pisskop on February 05, 2017, 03:12:31 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 05, 2017, 03:16:33 pm
because when people dont wear clothing they are naked?
Chesty did have the decency to sprite up fig leaves though. :V
Post by: Darkmere on February 05, 2017, 03:17:23 pm
Post by: pisskop on February 05, 2017, 03:21:26 pm
P:
Its not about 'how much time you spend naked'. Its about being able to display a sprite that is accurate, consistent, and enhances the game with its presence.
Whether or not a nude sprite does that isnt what Im addressing.
But, if you ask me, it does.
Post by: Darkmere on February 05, 2017, 03:46:12 pm
Post by: duckman on February 05, 2017, 04:53:31 pm
Post by: pisskop on February 05, 2017, 05:18:20 pm
but if the air outside or in the water is warmer than inside or w.e. than it means nothing
Post by: PTTG?? on February 05, 2017, 05:35:02 pm
Speaking of what Akura said, can we just get rid of that dialogue? Not only is it unnecessarily profane to the point of immaturity, but it's completely broken and your best friend will probably scream curses you can't air on network television at you when they want to go get a box of corn flakes out of the pantry and you're sitting in the doorway.
Admittedly that sounds like my IRL friends.
Post by: IcyTea31 on February 06, 2017, 08:24:51 am
Kinda wondering about how DDA got an Ao rating.Source? I couldn't find anything on Google, and wasn't aware niche freeware games like this even get official ratings.
Post by: Culise on February 06, 2017, 08:38:24 am
It's from the official listing (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.MichaelDavies.CataclysmDDA) on Google Play's store. Google determines ratings for its online store using self-submitted questionnaires (https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/188189?hl=en) which automatically generate a rating based on the answers.Kinda wondering about how DDA got an Ao rating.Source? I couldn't find anything on Google, and wasn't aware niche freeware games like this even get official ratings.
EDIT:
Reading up, I'm actually surprised this game even got in. One of the flat-out verboten content issues is illegal activities, and the explicit list includes "depicting or encouraging the use or sale of drugs, alcohol, or tobacco by minors." Given that you can play a coked-up preschooler as death on roller blades...
Post by: BigD145 on February 06, 2017, 09:01:58 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on February 06, 2017, 09:12:30 am
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Content RatingNo mention of violence or sexual content, interestingly enough.
PEGI 18
Drugs, Strong Language, Criminal Technique Instructions
Post by: Girlinhat on February 06, 2017, 09:31:47 am
Post by: Culise on February 06, 2017, 09:36:42 am
That is quite interesting; it must be a matter of different thresholds for different rating schemes. ESRB doesn't care about criminal technique instructions, but you bet your bippy it cares about sex, drugs, andQuoteContent RatingNo mention of violence or sexual content, interestingly enough.
PEGI 18
Drugs, Strong Language, Criminal Technique Instructions
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Content Rating
Adults only 18+
Violence, Blood and Gore, Sexual Content, Use of Drugs, Strong Language
Post by: IcyTea31 on February 06, 2017, 11:07:32 am
Criminal Technique Instruction? In Cata? I mean you can make meth, but you learn no more about it than Breaking Bad. You get lockpicks, but only in the most abstract ways (Oblivion is more accurate) and lockpicking isn't even illegal in itself. I guess it's just general "This is the most accurate tag."I have a feeling it might be more about the explosives than the drugs. Cata does include shopping lists for stuff like Molotov cocktails and nail bombs, even if it doesn't tell you exactly how to make them.
Post by: BigD145 on February 06, 2017, 11:40:18 am
Criminal Technique Instruction? In Cata? I mean you can make meth, but you learn no more about it than Breaking Bad. You get lockpicks, but only in the most abstract ways (Oblivion is more accurate) and lockpicking isn't even illegal in itself. I guess it's just general "This is the most accurate tag."I have a feeling it might be more about the explosives than the drugs. Cata does include shopping lists for stuff like Molotov cocktails and nail bombs, even if it doesn't tell you exactly how to make them.
The list of games with bombs and actually blowing up other players in multiplayer is long on google play. There's even an app to use in airsoft games so players can disarm a bomb.
Google play obviously advocates bombing human beings.
/snark
Post by: IcyTea31 on February 06, 2017, 12:57:42 pm
Post by: BigD145 on February 06, 2017, 01:22:29 pm
Post by: Akura on February 06, 2017, 01:31:29 pm
which has more to it for the purpose of bomb building than Cata has.Not really. I'm unsure if it's in one of the expanded weapon mods or vanilla, but, for example, there are definitely recipes that involve hexamine, the in-game description of which says it's not only readily available(for camp stoves and such), but used in military-grade explosives(IRL it's used in RDX). And your character can learn to make pretty destructive bombs using a fairly convincing set of materials. I didn't even know how simple these kinds of things were myself(in retrospect to how hard I thought it was) until I played this game.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 06, 2017, 01:38:15 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 06, 2017, 02:27:17 pm
I have a feeling it might be more about the explosives than the drugs. Cata does include shopping lists for stuff like Molotov cocktails and nail bombs, even if it doesn't tell you exactly how to make them.
Molotov cocktails are hardly that complex a concept though. :V
As for other things, well. It doesn't really teach you the actual chemical processes for them, but technically that sort of thing is available on wikipedia.
Post by: Tawa on February 06, 2017, 04:21:11 pm
Clearly, the schoolchildren you can play as have simply been held back multiple times until the age of 18. Completely legal and safe. :PIt's from the official listing (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.MichaelDavies.CataclysmDDA) on Google Play's store. Google determines ratings for its online store using self-submitted questionnaires (https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/188189?hl=en) which automatically generate a rating based on the answers.Kinda wondering about how DDA got an Ao rating.Source? I couldn't find anything on Google, and wasn't aware niche freeware games like this even get official ratings.
EDIT:
Reading up, I'm actually surprised this game even got in. One of the flat-out verboten content issues is illegal activities, and the explicit list includes "depicting or encouraging the use or sale of drugs, alcohol, or tobacco by minors." Given that you can play a coked-up preschooler as death on roller blades...
Post by: Akura on February 06, 2017, 04:49:45 pm
Clearly, the schoolchildren you can play as have simply been held back multiple times until the age of 18. Completely legal and safe. :P
Even when your starting Intelligence stat is 20?
(Assuming 8 is the adult average)
Post by: Baffler on February 06, 2017, 05:24:17 pm
Clearly, the schoolchildren you can play as have simply been held back multiple times until the age of 18. Completely legal and safe. :P
Even when your starting Intelligence stat is 20?
(Assuming 8 is the adult average)
Maybe they're just shockingly lazy.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on February 06, 2017, 06:34:06 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 06, 2017, 09:04:31 pm
Given that Cataclysm is supposedly centered in New England, which is in the US, and the school system in the US is designed to best work with the average with only small afterthoughts given to those below or above the curve, your hyperintelligent child may well have just been neglected by the system and is now a dysfunctional manchild stuck in remedial school.So they're a Shadowrun PC.
Post by: BigD145 on February 07, 2017, 01:49:02 am
Plastic explosives are very simple. One of the components is also tracked by government. But Cata won't give you any insights there. Wikipedia could tell you way more.which has more to it for the purpose of bomb building than Cata has.Not really. I'm unsure if it's in one of the expanded weapon mods or vanilla, but, for example, there are definitely recipes that involve hexamine, the in-game description of which says it's not only readily available(for camp stoves and such), but used in military-grade explosives(IRL it's used in RDX). And your character can learn to make pretty destructive bombs using a fairly convincing set of materials. I didn't even know how simple these kinds of things were myself(in retrospect to how hard I thought it was) until I played this game.
Post by: HugeNerdAndProudOfIt on February 08, 2017, 06:58:31 pm
Post by: Akura on February 08, 2017, 07:08:26 pm
Post by: HugeNerdAndProudOfIt on February 08, 2017, 07:17:34 pm
Post by: Micro102 on February 08, 2017, 11:10:46 pm
The RNG hates me so much. I spawned near a town, so I figured I might as well loot it cause my basement had only 4 survival flares. I go into like 5 houses and find no clothes that provide storage whatsoever, but tons of food and drink. then, one house had a basement full of ammo and guns, plus a cop car spawned with a shotgun in it >:( >:( .
That's the point where you go around training tailoring eating food throughout the town and shotgunning anything that moves.
Post by: Geltor on February 11, 2017, 04:49:36 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on February 11, 2017, 06:48:12 pm
Post by: Azated on February 11, 2017, 07:26:52 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on February 11, 2017, 07:40:03 pm
Post by: Azated on February 12, 2017, 07:09:15 am
Post by: Baffler on February 12, 2017, 04:53:57 pm
Also, unrelated, but does anyone know the maximum amount of unfermented alcohol that the fermenting vats can hold? I've been farming and I have hundreds of units of barley that I need to use for something, even after I ground enough flour to last me until this time next year.
Post by: Aseaheru on February 12, 2017, 06:32:25 pm
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Post by: Girlinhat on February 12, 2017, 07:52:37 pm
That and .44 seem to show up all over the place. People also seem to love collecting gun mods, but no guns, but I guess you could rationalize that as people having taken the guns but left everything that wasn't already stuck onto it.Have any rundown on how to operate farming? I've always thought about it.
Also, unrelated, but does anyone know the maximum amount of unfermented alcohol that the fermenting vats can hold? I've been farming and I have hundreds of units of barley that I need to use for something, even after I ground enough flour to last me until this time next year.
Post by: Aseaheru on February 12, 2017, 09:06:32 pm
Using vehicles means having ones with plows, seed drills, reapers, etc, all of which mean turning them on when needed and driving over the same tiles when required. Dont drive over them with the wheels. Having a vehicle scoop also helps.
Post by: Akura on February 12, 2017, 09:07:26 pm
Then {E}xamine the tilled ground with seeds in your inventory when the temperature is warm enough. Examine again with some form of fertilizer if you want, but from what I understand it doesn't help much.
After a few days/weeks in-game(varies with season length option iirc), it will be harvestable by examining it.
There are vehicle parts that do speed up plowing, sowing, and harvesting by doing these when the vehicle passes over a tile, but they seem fairly rare.
Unless it was changed from the last time I checked, oat gives you a massive amount of food, as not only do you get a lot of oat, oat can be milled for a lot of oatmeal per oat.
Post by: Girlinhat on February 12, 2017, 09:37:02 pm
Post by: Baffler on February 12, 2017, 09:42:25 pm
I know the mechanics of farming, I was wondering if there were any specific quirks to note about it.
The only one I can think of is that, as far as I can tell, your crops will only update from mature to harvestable if they leave the reality bubble. It's a bit OP to be quite honest, I was able to feed myself with the fast metabolism trait for an entire year on the default 14 days/season with only 50 barley plants, and I still had enough to make the 1,428 units of vodka wort that can apparently fit into a fermenting vat, and that doesn't even include what I got out of ten plants each of garlic, canola, wild herbs, onions, and cabbage. I didn't even fertilize.
Post by: Aseaheru on February 12, 2017, 10:40:45 pm
Post by: Azated on February 12, 2017, 11:58:51 pm
Stop plant murder, people! Tomatoes are friends, not food!
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 13, 2017, 02:35:42 am
Tomatoes are friends, not food!
Someone has the salad mutation threshold, I bet. D:
Post by: Metalsoul212 on February 21, 2017, 11:45:12 am
Post by: Micro102 on February 27, 2017, 09:33:03 pm
Post by: Strife26 on February 27, 2017, 09:42:47 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on February 27, 2017, 09:53:54 pm
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For reference, keybind menu is under "Esc", "Keybinds", because someone moved it.
Post by: Azated on February 28, 2017, 12:14:03 am
Check in the keybind menu for the keys for "shift view". Or are you driving a vehicle?
-edit-
For reference, keybind menu is under "Esc", "Keybinds", because someone moved it.
That's pretty much always what happens to me. A mistype here or there and suddenly I'm aiming one square right and my brain has a meltdown.
Post by: Micro102 on February 28, 2017, 01:26:44 am
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Post by: Micro102 on March 03, 2017, 09:02:35 am
EDIT: And while I have the latest question, I'll add another. If I have a hunting knife sheathed and try to butcher something with say, a sword in my hand. Will it prioritize the hunting knife for butchering or do I have to remove it from the sheath?
Post by: pisskop on March 03, 2017, 10:12:16 am
because its magic unbalanced OPness. the _only_ consideration given to balance is whether or not survivor's crap is op enough or not.
p
but the survivor wetsuit is basically an acid immune backpack for your whole body, so why use runner packs?
Post by: Micro102 on March 03, 2017, 10:59:57 am
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but the survivor wetsuit is basically an acid immune backpack for your whole body, so why use runner packs?Because I haven't found the wetsuit recipe yet :P
Also, why can't I store my pistol in my survivor harness? It fits in a holster. The gun is under 2 volume.
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 03, 2017, 12:02:26 pm
I'm looking at survivor runner packs and survivor backpacks. Not only does the backpack require more skill to make, it also give a worse encumbrance-to-volume ratio. Am I missing something or is just wearing multiple survivor runner packs the best idea?
That's still less storage overall, which is good if you're like me and really dislike wearing multiple items on the same layer. ;w;
Post by: Micro102 on March 03, 2017, 01:03:29 pm
I'm looking at survivor runner packs and survivor backpacks. Not only does the backpack require more skill to make, it also give a worse encumbrance-to-volume ratio. Am I missing something or is just wearing multiple survivor runner packs the best idea?
That's still less storage overall, which is good if you're like me and really dislike wearing multiple items on the same layer. ;w;
Is there some penalty to wearing 4 runner packs at once instead of a backpack?
Post by: Egan_BW on March 03, 2017, 03:29:15 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 03, 2017, 03:31:01 pm
Post by: Strife26 on March 03, 2017, 08:15:10 pm
Post by: Nighthawk on March 03, 2017, 09:33:41 pm
Looking dumb? I know it's an ascii game, but I like my characters to look good in my imagination. :P... Which is why my characters always have the Stylish trait and exclusively wear french maid clothes.
Post by: Egan_BW on March 03, 2017, 10:21:21 pm
Good tastes, this one.Looking dumb? I know it's an ascii game, but I like my characters to look good in my imagination. :P... Which is why my characters always have the Stylish trait and exclusively wear french maid clothes.
Post by: pisskop on March 03, 2017, 10:32:53 pm
Yeah, doubling up on a layer has a +10 per item penalty still, doesn't it?+2 most items
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 04, 2017, 01:11:03 am
Post by: Micro102 on March 04, 2017, 06:31:02 pm
Post by: Tawa on March 04, 2017, 08:33:50 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on March 04, 2017, 08:36:01 pm
-ninja edit-
Nope, thats not it. Comparison between a subgun and a pistol of the same size has only the subgun able to be put into the harness. Also, note that the limit changes based on the volume units you are using. For liters the limit is 2.
Post by: duckman on March 09, 2017, 03:32:18 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 10, 2017, 01:34:59 am
Have they fixed tiger kungfu yet, or can you still mulch brutes with a 4 strength 12 perception character by stacking tiger fury's 3x perception buff?
No idea. Instead have some post-character-creation error messagespam because some overmap specials are too fat to generate, some random quests failing to find target location, some Linux builds not letting you construct new vehicles from frames, explosives blowing up in your face because it takes time to light it (and countdown starts when you START lighting)...
Post by: pisskop on March 14, 2017, 06:17:17 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 14, 2017, 06:28:34 pm
it can have floating lightning vents (as in up a few zlevels) and can spawn monsters in air. it can spawn items from an 'exploration team' into the nether.
enh?
Post by: sambojin on March 14, 2017, 07:17:17 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 14, 2017, 08:07:13 pm
also, sky vortex. how likely are you to buy an anomaly in the sky that popped out monsters from teh nether?
it can have floating lightning vents (as in up a few zlevels) and can spawn monsters in air. it can spawn items from an 'exploration team' into the nether.
enh?
Pbbbt. Have it spawn some non-fliers so players can get all paranoid about random monster corpses somewhere they haven't been.
Post by: sambojin on March 15, 2017, 06:07:04 pm
https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/5zgnvf/cataclysm_dark_days_ahead_forum_is_down/
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/20547
Tldr; Hosting cost issue mostly. People have stood up to give bandwidth and help migrate them to a new server, but feel free to assist if you want.
Post by: Micro102 on March 16, 2017, 04:50:47 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 16, 2017, 04:52:16 pm
It protects in ways all the individual pieces cant.
Post by: Micro102 on March 16, 2017, 04:55:23 pm
Also, I feel I should be able to make a survivor trenchcoat by now, but can't. What skills are required to make it?
Post by: Kaitol on March 16, 2017, 05:04:31 pm
Post by: Akura on March 16, 2017, 05:06:58 pm
Nope. Its a radiation suit.
It protects in ways all the individual pieces cant.
Strictly speaking, it's an armored radiation suit. That's the acronym, Armored Nuclear Biological Chemical suit.
Is there a place with large amounts of radiation that has a lot of enemies? Otherwise I don't see the point in making it.
Toxic waste dumps/sarcophagi are, last I checked, highly radioactive and filled with enemies.
PRE-EDIT: Dammit, ninja'd.
Post by: pisskop on March 16, 2017, 05:08:34 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 16, 2017, 06:12:41 pm
Post by: pisskop on March 16, 2017, 06:25:17 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 16, 2017, 07:50:31 pm
Mate, you wont find them on the surface
Hmmm, was this dungeon added? Because I always thought those areas were a bit barren for such an interesting name. I looked a bit but never found anything. I thought they just had minor loot. and a place to soak up some radiation for mutations :P
Post by: Aseaheru on March 16, 2017, 09:06:29 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on March 17, 2017, 02:10:28 am
Post by: Azated on March 17, 2017, 02:23:35 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 17, 2017, 12:00:16 pm
Do the radiation death trap places have something worth going there for?
There's a fuckload of random junk in the bottom of the sarcophagus, including loads of mutagen and steel drums (moar water storage is always good).
Now if only some of those drums would have mutagen in them. o3o
Post by: Gamerlord on March 18, 2017, 12:43:48 am
Post by: Dark One on March 18, 2017, 04:01:00 am
Haven't played in like a year, got the experimental yesterday. Genned a world, scavenged basement of shelter for some clothes and then tried to smash a bench down to get planks and nails to barricade windows. After two hits a window broke, noise attracted zombies. I ran and poked them to second death while npc in the shelter just watched. Got slightly wounded, emergency jacket I found in basement was quite good protection for a start. Looking through the window I saw a garage with hippy van and some fuel. After butchering zombies should I craft some weapon (knife-spear) or go for the city with pocket knife?
Post by: Majestic7 on March 18, 2017, 05:15:40 am
Post by: Dark One on March 18, 2017, 06:59:24 am
Post by: pisskop on March 18, 2017, 05:47:20 pm
knife spear is an a above average weapon for EG. baseball bat is imo better though.
go find some children, attract them with juicy vittles, then start a fire under their bums. wait and repeat until you have a bat. just remember to check after every zed dies. being made of wood more often than aluminum, bats arent exactly flame retardant. and since baby zeds dont spawn with ammo ever there no cooking ammo risk
then carry around 6 nails and a rock until your bat gets damaged good. make a spiked bat that is fully repaired. for cheese points
Post by: Dark One on March 28, 2017, 01:09:34 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on March 28, 2017, 10:39:01 pm
Post by: sambojin on March 30, 2017, 11:39:14 am
Post by: TempAcc on March 30, 2017, 01:00:37 pm
Post by: Gwolfski on March 31, 2017, 05:03:16 pm
edit: Whose brilliant idea was it to end a road in a wall of trees?
Post by: pisskop on March 31, 2017, 09:18:41 pm
Post by: Lukewarm on April 01, 2017, 10:50:47 am
Post by: SalmonGod on April 03, 2017, 08:42:54 pm
I still desperately want the ability to place items in bags/other containers, so that I can drop/pick-up the bag with all contents.
Post by: Mini on April 03, 2017, 08:53:24 pm
Post by: Kaitol on April 03, 2017, 11:32:44 pm
*drops duffel bag before getting into melee fight*
*lots of items drop with it*
*melee weapon breaks/gets pulled out of hand/you want your gun instead*
"okay I'll just wield my... wait, wheres my backup weapon/gun/non-metal weapon for shockers?"
*looks back at pile of stuff with duffle bag*
"Well shit."
On a more serious note, do want to be able to have a bag with my breaking and entering kit, a duffel with my camping out kit, a bag with my fixing/building/dismantling kit, etc.
Post by: gomez on April 04, 2017, 12:01:29 am
Post by: Greiger on April 04, 2017, 01:53:54 am
You drop the stuff in a hurry and it tumbles out. Not all of the good storage clothes have zippers after all. If there was a really easy way for someone to code backpacks or something holding their stuff so you only have to pick up the backpack again without making inventory management even more obtuse I'd be all for it. But the current implementation does not seem very immersion breaking consitering how much work would probably need to be done to fix it.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on April 04, 2017, 05:41:01 am
Post by: ThtblovesDF on April 04, 2017, 07:54:12 am
Post by: SalmonGod on April 04, 2017, 08:02:42 am
It seems like it should be an essential feature to me for a game that's so big on inventory management and preparation. You carefully arrange your gear so that your essentials are on your person. You have a backpack with extra resources tailored to what your purpose is on the outing, which can be dropped to deal with tough situations, or abandoned if need be. And some sort of carry bag for collecting stuff and moving it around. Taking the time to plan your load-out as such would be both a huge immersion and quality of life booster. And I imagine interface-wise it could be really easy. Just make a "Load" function for certain kinds of storage items, that initiates choosing items to be placed inside. Then an Unload that is the same in reverse. This also makes it so items you're carrying around in a bag aren't instant access, which is another immersion boost. You have to open that backpack up and dig around in it. Makes pocket storage that much more essential.
But alas, this is something I've brought up a few times over the years.
Post by: SalmonGod on April 04, 2017, 09:44:19 am
Post by: ThtblovesDF on April 05, 2017, 07:37:21 am
Edit: I also can't make a "lance" of metal with a Napalm-gas-tank on it, without silly workarounds : /
Post by: pisskop on April 05, 2017, 08:06:23 am
I too wish to have acidhoses.
Post by: Kaitol on April 05, 2017, 01:19:54 pm
Hmm. This is gonna crimp my usual pack rat style of looting if I can't just haul around a huge fold-able cart in my RV. Wire baskets just don't have enough space. There's those ooze parts that have tons of storage space but I have no clue how those even work. Guess I'll just have to work out a new way of doing things.
Post by: Azated on April 05, 2017, 08:42:49 pm
Edit: I also can't make a "lance" of metal with a Napalm-gas-tank on it, without silly workarounds : /
Don't gas tanks often explode if damaged too much? I always see small hordes around cars in cities spontaneously combust and give me some free goblinite.
I've never tried it but I figure it'd be pretty straight forward to fill up a small tank with gas or diesel and drive into a horde.
Post by: Jilladilla on April 06, 2017, 12:40:24 am
Don't gas tanks often explode if damaged too much? I always see small hordes around cars in cities spontaneously combust and give me some free goblinite.
I've never tried it but I figure it'd be pretty straight forward to fill up a small tank with gas or diesel and drive into a horde.
It's been a long while since I played this but yes, gas tanks do explode.
The size of the blast is proportional with how much gas is in there.
Large, full tanks typically mean Game Over. (Or at MINIMUM totaled car) Be very careful with this. (Keep your gas tanks away from ANY edge of the vehicle! The second frontmost row is also a no-no! (Even if you ram things never... You never know if your only choice is a bit of demolition derby or you just run out of replacement supplies...))
Basically, if you're going to use a car as a bomb... Make sure the bomb part is far away from you... (But like I said, I haven't touched Cata in a very long time... This might have changed.)
Post by: pisskop on April 15, 2017, 10:06:10 am
Ive popped up some threads about the more mysterious and slightly punishing aspects of the mod. Stuff thats downplayed in the coregame but present, and thus since people dont know much about them and see somehow theyre experiencing some malus they dont know how to avoid they dislike it. This hopefully helps people get over it with some brief education and etc
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 16, 2017, 11:41:26 am
Large, full tanks typically mean Game Over. (Or at MINIMUM totaled car) Be very careful with this. (Keep your gas tanks away from ANY edge of the vehicle! The second frontmost row is also a no-no! (Even if you ram things never... You never know if your only choice is a bit of demolition derby or you just run out of replacement supplies...))
A long time ago, I used this to bust open a bunker. I think since then, tanks going up in smoke got fixed. Or broken, hard to tell.
Now it seems to just damage the vehicle part until the tank leaks, and eventually the tank is totaled and all the gasoline spills on the ground, burning rather mundanely.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 17, 2017, 01:16:23 pm
Heh, already figured out the welding cart tactic.
Post by: pisskop on April 17, 2017, 01:26:00 pm
https://github.com/pisskop/PKs_Rebalancing
this pk fellow is a pretty sharp cookie.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 17, 2017, 06:26:45 pm
Post by: n9103 on April 17, 2017, 06:55:54 pm
Got back on my current character, couldn't remember what it was. Turned out to be a Stylish maid. She was wearing full ceremonial plate armor and greathelm with her maid outfit over the armor and fancy sunglasses on inside the helm. I guess I went full anime.Never go full Alphonse. :P
Post by: BigD145 on April 17, 2017, 07:00:19 pm
Got back on my current character, couldn't remember what it was. Turned out to be a Stylish maid. She was wearing full ceremonial plate armor and greathelm with her maid outfit over the armor and fancy sunglasses on inside the helm. I guess I went full anime.Never go full Alphonse. :P
I was going to say Claymore.
Post by: SalmonGod on April 18, 2017, 04:56:11 pm
I go on an expedition to an unexplored area of town. Ride my bicycle out into an intersection. Dismount to go clobber a zombie. Zombie explodes right in front of me. I start running. After 1 step, I'm notified that I am being laser targeted. I survive 4 shots and get like 8 steps away, before the off-screen tank drone obliterates me.
I both love and hate that about this game.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 18, 2017, 05:11:20 pm
Post by: Eclectic Wizard on May 29, 2017, 10:31:14 am
Post by: Kaitol on May 29, 2017, 11:33:05 am
If you don't have the kit to fight one its not like they're sitting on top of game objectives. Just mark the area on your map and stay the hell away from it. Its not particularly difficult for an established character to kill them either unless they're sitting in an open field with no cover and you don't have a powerful enough rifle to hit them from outside their range.
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 29, 2017, 11:51:19 am
Post by: pisskop on May 29, 2017, 11:52:10 am
not even infrared vision? no real speed? can be run over? single tile?
Post by: thegoatgod_pan on May 29, 2017, 03:47:13 pm
they are actually underpowered from what a functional full sized automated tank would be.
not even infrared vision? no real speed? can be run over? single tile?
That really isn't the point. The point is this is an enemy which cannot be killed, but which can kill you in a single shot from a screen away. It might as well be an in-game "corrupt save file" function, it adds no fun, it literally adds nothing to the experience, it just ruins the experience.
Post by: pisskop on May 29, 2017, 03:57:59 pm
this is a turn based game. you, quite literally, have all the time you need to read, digest, and respond to the hud. you have ZERO excuse for not.
additionally, there is no situation in coregame where a tank drone can sneak up on you. YOU, the OP character of the game. a tank drone is nerfed as it is. they are not common, nor do they appear where you cannot see or avoid or outrun them.
tank drones can be blacklisted with a mod, and using them is a pisspoor excuse when i could make that mod in less than 90 seconds.
they dont break the game or take the fun out of it, they remind you that your character isnt the center of the ingame universe, despite being the one to grant us the narrative.
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 29, 2017, 04:26:42 pm
this is a turn based game. you, quite literally, have all the time you need to read, digest, and respond to the hud. you have ZERO excuse for not.
In before real time mode becomes default.
Post by: pisskop on May 29, 2017, 04:31:16 pm
:o
but seriously, anyone want a mod to blacklist tankdrone?
Post by: Akura on May 29, 2017, 04:44:02 pm
they are actually underpowered from what a functional full sized automated tank would be.
not even infrared vision? no real speed? can be run over? single tile?
How big is "full-sized"? I imagine the tank bot to be something like an automated Black Knight UGCV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_(vehicle)). PRE-EDIT, turns out the BK is being designed to be at least partially automated.
Spoiler: Image since the wikipedia article lacks one (click to show/hide)
It's about 5 meters long and half as wide. Not sure on how large a game tile is, but there's also smaller UGVs. Granted, none of them carry a 120mm gun...
I don't actually have a problem with tankbots. This game is actually pretty fair with the YASD bullshit compared to other games.
Post by: pisskop on May 29, 2017, 04:47:47 pm
i think size is roughly based on d&d sizing.
tiny is fist-sized
small is dog sized
medium is people sized
large is suv sized
huge is tank sized
so a 'huge' sized tank drone is larger than a horse or suv. but, as typical with grid games, size and distance are fairly vague and relative.
and all hardcoded size calculations and figure for things like innate dodge bonuses and robot death explosions are about in line with that
Post by: Aseaheru on May 29, 2017, 04:49:54 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 29, 2017, 05:05:56 pm
But in DF that's moot no matter how many calculations you do, because a tile can hold an infinite volume of creatures as long as only one is standing. In cataclysm a tile can also be calculated yes. In cataclysm we can calculate the tile size with the width of a standard lane of a road, but no matter how many calculations you do it takes a survivor much longer to traverse that distance than they should.
Post by: Egan_BW on May 29, 2017, 05:53:01 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 29, 2017, 09:15:30 pm
Post by: Kaitol on May 30, 2017, 01:01:59 am
Post by: beorn080 on May 30, 2017, 02:24:24 am
Post by: Eclectic Wizard on May 30, 2017, 02:37:24 am
Isn't there still that big list of every critter that's in sight of you? The only time I could see a tank drone "sneaking" up on someone is either turning a corner into one, or running around at night with a flashlight on, making yourself a beacon. Although I could see flashlights getting a special flag, does not illuminate own square, because you hold it in front of you. Would still light up the square around you, but at night, all you see of a flashlight wielder is the bright spot, which I dont know if that would set off a tank drone or not.
Last time I played they could literally kill you from the border of the active zone, way out of range of the characters sight and thus not on the list.
Post by: gomez on May 30, 2017, 05:09:46 am
You also get the lit up status when you smoke a cigerette or a joint.
Post by: pisskop on May 30, 2017, 08:36:20 am
use it to bait zeds into traps
Post by: Egan_BW on May 30, 2017, 10:11:31 am
Post by: iceball3 on May 30, 2017, 11:54:19 am
As it is currently, the tank drone mounts a massive gun and can fit through your front door.
Heck, making it 3x3 would still make it smaller than most cars in the game.
Another problem though is that it's awfully difficult to use partial cover in this game, you're either visible or completely obstructed.
Post by: Greiger on May 30, 2017, 12:09:30 pm
And being sniped from the edge of the active zone should not be possible as the thing can only see 50 tiles*. Granted that's 10 more than most zombies, and about the same as the player, but the active zone is much bigger than that. Really I think the most dangerous bot is the chicken walker. Yea it has less hp. But it has more ammo in it's 'ruin your day' gun, still has enough armor to deflect anything but a dedicated AA round, and unlike the tankbot it can actually see you at night.
Though yea I agree, making tankbots bigger would indeed help solve many of their perceived issues. Again it depends on someone willing to code an entirely new pathfinding AI literally from scratch. I don't think there is a multi tile equivalent to A* out there for anyone to freely use.
Post by: pisskop on May 30, 2017, 12:32:05 pm
I think that turning tank drones into a 2x2 or 3x3 enemy vehicle that suffers from collision and maneuvering, as opposed to a tiny object that somehow mounts a 120mm gun and can squirm effortlessly through windowsills, would go a long way into making them more tolerable and respectable as threats.using the 'X' peek function as partial ranged cover would be a helpful start ...
As it is currently, the tank drone mounts a massive gun and can fit through your front door.
Heck, making it 3x3 would still make it smaller than most cars in the game.
Another problem though is that it's awfully difficult to use partial cover in this game, you're either visible or completely obstructed.
Post by: zaimoni on May 30, 2017, 03:44:13 pm
I don't think there is a multi tile equivalent to A* out there for anyone to freely use.it's the same as single-tile A*. The implementing programmer just has to make a coordinate choice for the reference origin is for a multi-tile actor, then pass an appropriately different cost-of-movement function for evaluating what/how expensive legal moves are. If there's a problem with heuristic costs, just degenerate to Dijkstra search which uses 100% accurate move costs.
I don't have the seniority to do the above refactoring for C/DDA, obviously. If the above sketch isn't enough, any interested C/DDA dev can ping me to get the relevant class in Rogue Survivor Revived (FloodfillPathfinder is a Dijkstra search) relicensed as Creative Commons so it can be used a model for porting to C++ without causing GPLv3 issues.
Post by: Jilladilla on May 30, 2017, 03:49:44 pm
Really I think the most dangerous bot is the chicken walker. Yea it has less hp. But it has more ammo in it's 'ruin your day' gun, still has enough armor to deflect anything but a dedicated AA round, and unlike the tankbot it can actually see you at night.
I agree with this, saw one being swarmed by zombies so I figured I could loot the Mil Surplus nearby, zombies didn't last as long as I thought... And my plans of waiting in the back until night went out the window when the walker came through it...
Would've been the end of that character if I didn't have a sledge hammer and a bit of luck with the back wall...
Post by: pisskop on May 30, 2017, 04:11:19 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 30, 2017, 06:17:54 pm
Maybe I'm missing something but every time I've encountered a tank drone I got plenty of warning that SOMETHING I shouldn't be fucking with was near because of all the sounds of the tank drone going all One Robot army against the hordes of zombies.
Exactly this. Hell, the only time I recall being caught off-guard with a tank drone was when one spawned right outside the shelter. That time, the starter NPC calmy walked outside and took it apart with a shotgun.
Post by: scriver on May 31, 2017, 06:03:12 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 31, 2017, 10:57:16 am
Post by: Greiger on May 31, 2017, 12:05:12 pm
Post by: Sheb on May 31, 2017, 12:50:45 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 31, 2017, 12:52:48 pm
I'm still proud of the one damn time I killed one in melee, because chances are that was as much of a one-in-a-million thing as that one time I vorpol'd a giant fiery pain in the ass. :V
Post by: Metalsoul212 on June 01, 2017, 09:07:04 am
Post by: Jilladilla on June 01, 2017, 09:57:59 am
That character lasted an entire year and a half until I drove into a triffid Grove in the middle of the night. Not even my deathmobile survived the horrors....
*Salutes the fallen deathmobile*
In all seriousness, excellent story, I wouldn't have the guts to take a tank drone on like that unless forced to; no, I would wait until I got a proper Landcruiser prepared, with redundant armor plates rated to withstand a few hits until a hull breach, a fallback cockpit for when said hull breach is imminent, and many guns to kill the damn thing if a full speed ram isn't possible...
Anyway hats off to you Metalsoul212, you certainly have my respect.
Post by: Metalsoul212 on June 01, 2017, 10:28:39 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on June 01, 2017, 05:26:31 pm
The thing that irks me is that it has no effect on learning-by-doing, so what you end up with is that the idea of actually practicing is the worst thing you could possibly do unless you have absolutely no choice in the matter.
I feel like practice should always be a choice at least on-par with book learning's speed because you're almost always expending resources to practice, sometimes not even getting anything in return. I don't think it will significantly diminish the value of books, since training still has caps that force you to move to more complicated actions that, themselves, usually have harder-to-acquire resources.
Post by: SOLDIER First on June 01, 2017, 06:31:10 pm
Post by: Eclectic Wizard on June 02, 2017, 04:49:46 am
Post by: Sheb on June 02, 2017, 05:16:57 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 02, 2017, 10:28:50 am
Yeah, book are stupidly easy, and not that interesting. The "Let's sit in a cabin with a ton of cans of food and a small library for two weeks until my character is a demi-god" phase of the game isn't interesting.Nope, but I'd rather search for the right book, forage the stuff needed to slack for a while and read rather than grind repetitive actions.
Post by: Sheb on June 02, 2017, 12:04:07 pm
Post by: Kaitol on June 02, 2017, 01:36:07 pm
Books you can just do a couple of food runs and stick a jerrycan outside with a funnel and you're good. Then I can just watch a stream or something while shifting back to read and sleep.
This is partly a fundamental problem with the skill system. Some skills just aren't used enough to be raised quickly enough for them to be useful, so you need artificial ways to raise them. There isn't really a way around it unless the devs wanna start trading realism for gameplay.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 02, 2017, 02:17:08 pm
Post by: Darkmere on June 02, 2017, 02:28:56 pm
Post by: Dark One on June 03, 2017, 01:10:45 am
Could do it Prey style with nanite injections straight to the brain.
Would have to grind a few skills to be able to apply them in a first place. At failure it could decrease character's knowledge or fry his brain. But that's a nice idea to add more bionics.
I have a tank drone in a city on my current save. It helped me a few times by shooting the swarm off. Would try to lure more zeds to it some day and finally loot whole city. There is quite a lot of junk on 2x item spawn factor.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 03, 2017, 01:53:59 am
Agreed, some stuff is just too irritating to grind. Like electronics. Also, realistically odds are EXTREMELY low you'd be able to just figure out electronics or mechanics by taking stuff apart, there's a colossal ton of basic stuff you need to know that isn't obvious for it IRL. No amount of taking apart flashlights and radios can prepare you for solar cells that also teach you how to make fusion blaster guns.... Sometimes you need a schematic.
Yeah, but skill grinding is realistic, isn't it? 3:
Post by: pisskop on June 03, 2017, 08:53:00 am
electronics is also left hard to raise, im sure intentionally. though with a recipe and just one item you can do it.
wish there was a way to subcategorize it so that the flashlight -> superblaster though.
all skills would benefit from subdivision or gateways.
traps gets the short end, as does medicine and construction used to
Post by: Sheb on June 03, 2017, 10:20:11 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 03, 2017, 11:38:54 am
they made mechanics intentionally obtuse to enter. and id argue it mostly works out okay for the game.
Yes, because having to wave a fucking crowbar at an unlocked door and close it again 100 times is both realistic and a good idea. Seriously, that's the most efficient method to get skill level 1 unless you're up to your eyeballs in locked doors.
Problem here is mechanics is used to a lot of other things besides fucking with cars. I added the mortar and pestle to More Survival Tools explicitly because having to invest in deathmoble skill when you're a luddite innawoods hermit (or settle down and build up clay production) just to grind some flour is horseshit.
Post by: pisskop on June 03, 2017, 05:35:18 pm
Post by: §k on June 09, 2017, 03:54:06 am
Post by: Eclectic Wizard on June 10, 2017, 10:02:40 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 10, 2017, 08:07:19 pm
Freezing to death.
Savaged by zombies to death.
Savaged by zombies which result in freezing to death.
Demons camping outside of the shelter.
Post by: pisskop on June 10, 2017, 09:24:41 pm
I like tailoring myself.
Specialize and find a car.
Then diversify.
Starting in the city helps; unfortunately it means finding zeds. Try night starts, at midnight instead of daylight.
But, freezing to death is more of an everyone's problem than a pks mod issue.
standard Zeds really are that rude, the mod doesnt exactly change their statline in particular
Demons are bad luck and bad juju; theyre endgame stuff.
P:
Try starting in a shelter, then using the nails to make fishing hooks to level 1 fab
Then make a wooden needle
Then use the sheets and string from the windows to make clothing.
Then you can make a weapon like a sling or bow.
And of course a crowbar or nail board.
And then go killing.
Level 3 tailoring allows for basic acceptable armor and storage. Leather arm guard or even wooden ones are good because they can help block like wasnt possible in 0.C.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 10, 2017, 09:34:05 pm
It's mainly just my hands being far too cold and wrecking my speed.
If I didn't have the problem of becoming too cold to fight the zombies then It would be just like standard procedure for me to take down anything that is reasonable.
One thing about zombies that are new is the fact that they /claw/ you now, doing a bit of damage and a large amount of pain, I thought that was brutal.
Post by: pisskop on June 10, 2017, 09:35:38 pm
Wearing sock mitts and making hand wraps of flavors are the only early game solutions.
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Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 10, 2017, 09:38:02 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 10, 2017, 09:39:33 pm
I set it to slightly higher than coregame, like 3 degrees of [temperature unit] higher than average.
You getting cold and freezing to death is an effect of coregame hardcoded mechanics.
You losing health over time is my doing.
Get some hand wraps and make socks into sock mitts.
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Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 10, 2017, 09:40:59 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 11, 2017, 10:46:00 am
Playing the rebalance mod has gotten me beat up way too many times to count. I'm actually freezing to death now, andd dying to Regular zombies. My usual tactic of beating them up with a cudgel doesn't really work anymore. Any tips for starting the game out on rebalance? I haven't really played with other tactics, but the sum of my deaths are
Freezing to death.
Savaged by zombies to death.
Savaged by zombies which result in freezing to death.
Demons camping outside of the shelter.
Haven't been punted into low orbit by a moose yet?
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 11, 2017, 11:45:34 am
Post by: Tawa on June 11, 2017, 02:29:20 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 11, 2017, 03:53:24 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 11, 2017, 03:54:55 pm
Even many zanimals fear fire still
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 11, 2017, 03:58:48 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 11, 2017, 04:49:10 pm
Haven't been punted into low orbit by a moose yet?
hey now hoo now, they dont punt you into orbit any longer.
Its more of a 'love tap' now.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 11, 2017, 05:02:32 pm
hey now hoo now, they dont punt you into orbit any longer.
Its more of a 'love tap' now.
The Love Tap of Doom.
Post by: pisskop on June 11, 2017, 05:21:07 pm
Wrighten with Love
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 12, 2017, 10:06:56 am
Post by: pisskop on June 12, 2017, 11:36:07 am
even in coregame, theyre top tier. And one of the few 'smart' zeds.
Your best bet, if youre stuck in early to mid game, is to not take risks. May sound more boring, but it really isnt, because all this dying is allowing you to gain experience and the ability to properly assess threats.
'War is taught by the survivors', and in this case it means that many people tend to have a slightly more cautious approach, or otherwise bring overwhelming firepower.
I used to keep an autoshotgun in my ankle holster! Remember the good ole' days when rivtech shit was 100% better than everything else instead of only 95%?
But I did so so I could pound surprise hulks into the ground quickly. Carry guns, run away, prepare beforehand.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 12, 2017, 11:37:43 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 12, 2017, 12:54:43 pm
Post by: scriver on June 12, 2017, 01:20:55 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 12, 2017, 02:30:47 pm
Post by: Akura on June 12, 2017, 02:33:44 pm
Then again, I don't remember the master itself being too much of a threat, but if it has support...
Post by: etgfrog on June 12, 2017, 08:59:26 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 12, 2017, 09:57:11 pm
You know, the broken cyborg is an interesting challenge if you start with no electronics or first aid skill.
To this day, I don't know what possessed me to make a profession with every single faulty bionic available.
Post by: scriver on June 13, 2017, 02:09:46 am
Specifically, it's the zombie master's special attack - they touch a lower-tier zombie, and they evolve into something worse. I don't know what it's like now, but when I last played, a group of normal greens could turn into a mixed bag of brutes, shockers, shocker brutes, necromancers, predators, spitters, etc.
Then again, I don't remember the master itself being too much of a threat, but if it has support...
I have absolutely never had that happen.
...That I've noticed ;)
Post by: Majestic7 on June 13, 2017, 12:31:27 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 13, 2017, 01:10:04 pm
Post by: scriver on June 13, 2017, 02:56:59 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 14, 2017, 12:14:46 am
Houses and buildings made specifically for z levels work fine with no problems, z-level viewing is still bugged to allow zeds to teleport up and down z-levels last I heard(but I didn't confirm myself), legacy buildings still have problems of missing roves(roofs?) while on the upper z level allowing you to just climb over walls to get into almost anywhere as long as yer willing to take some fall damage.
So basically it works if you don't look too hard and don't try to use the climbing command in legacy buildings. I should also note that I play with it on almost all the time, so it works well enough.
Post by: pisskop on June 14, 2017, 12:39:59 am
the issue is circular in nature. nobody does zlevels because the core buildings are bad for it and nobody fixes core buildings cuz zlevels are incomplete.
although, a good first step is to create rooved and unrooved versions of every tile, then add it to relevant structures
Post by: azmodean on June 14, 2017, 10:31:30 am
Ugh, thats.. probably... not too hard, I should see if I can just knock it out.
Status update since I'm here, I've been putting a lot of time into automated regression testing recently. It's a time sink up front, but it pays for itself in reduced time to find broken things in the long run. From a strategic point of view were slowly burning down blockers for a 0.D release... still.
Post by: Majestic7 on June 14, 2017, 03:10:27 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 14, 2017, 03:11:35 pm
They raised the threshold to fit and reinforce clothing.
Post by: Mephansteras on June 14, 2017, 03:34:45 pm
Nailed it, missing rooves is the biggest hole in the z-level implementation.
Ugh, thats.. probably... not too hard, I should see if I can just knock it out.
Status update since I'm here, I've been putting a lot of time into automated regression testing recently. It's a time sink up front, but it pays for itself in reduced time to find broken things in the long run. From a strategic point of view were slowly burning down blockers for a 0.D release... still.
Keep up the good work, man.
Post by: scriver on June 17, 2017, 07:32:14 am
Specifically, it's the zombie master's special attack - they touch a lower-tier zombie, and they evolve into something worse. I don't know what it's like now, but when I last played, a group of normal greens could turn into a mixed bag of brutes, shockers, shocker brutes, necromancers, predators, spitters, etc.
Then again, I don't remember the master itself being too much of a threat, but if it has support...
I have absolutely never had that happen.
...That I've noticed ;)
So you know what's funny? I say this just a few days ago... And today it happens to me for the first time. And guess what it makes a zombie evolve to? Zombie Hulk.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 17, 2017, 10:54:33 am
So you know what's funny? I say this just a few days ago... And today it happens to me for the first time. And guess what it makes a zombie evolve to? Zombie Hulk.
Yeah, but have you ever been mauled by a zombie master personally? Same with necromancers, I tend to home in on both whenever I can, then beat the shit out of them.
Post by: Dark One on June 17, 2017, 11:20:02 am
Also, nothing like three acid spitters for a good start and only some junk scavenged with little to no food and badly hurt limbs. Both legs lost. And that was a night start...
Post by: Micro102 on June 20, 2017, 04:25:02 pm
Post by: Cattani on June 22, 2017, 09:27:06 pm
I planted them pretty late at planting season (late autumn I guess) but I got throught winter, spring*, now summer`s ending and my fucking cabbages seem to be on a stasis of sorts. Is this a bug? Any workarounds? Seriously, I'm out of wheat seeds, those where the last ones. If this got fucked up this will be a good reason to cheat and debug some new ones.
*I planted weed on that spring, a little to the side of the main farm. It grew, was harvested and stuff, all the while the main plot didnt do anything.
Post by: Strife26 on June 23, 2017, 12:58:57 am
Post by: scriver on June 23, 2017, 08:37:20 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 23, 2017, 09:04:38 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 23, 2017, 09:37:41 am
Did you leave the Z-level at all duiring that period? they need you leave to grow.
I thought that was fixed ages ago. :V
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 23, 2017, 02:10:12 pm
Post by: Cattani on June 23, 2017, 04:43:31 pm
Well they are just stuck in a germinating phase. I got tired of waiting (have been waiting them to finish so I could get full-nomad on my first deathtruck ever) so I just cheated and debugged all the seeds back. I guess I`ll find someplace to plant them and visit sometimes to harvest.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 23, 2017, 07:10:16 pm
not Z-leve, just leaving the sphere of influence so to speak, they need to unload and reload before they can realize that they should be infact fully harvestable.
Either way, weeeiiird. Free box of regressions for everyone, I guess.
Post by: Silicoid on June 29, 2017, 12:35:47 am
The project seemed to be shifting to realism over fun, which made it a steep challenge for even an experienced player to survive the beginning game.
Post by: pisskop on June 29, 2017, 09:08:19 am
the slowest speed possible to get the job done though; dont wanna gib them and lose 95% of the meat
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 29, 2017, 10:00:15 am
Post by: iceball3 on June 29, 2017, 10:07:17 am
Add some Rams or spikes to the front, makes it easier.I thought the idea was to do less damage, so there's food left behind. :P
Post by: Blood_Librarian on June 29, 2017, 10:17:29 am
Post by: Cattani on June 29, 2017, 11:38:13 am
Is it right? Are haulers banned from living in deathtrucks? What will I do with all my empty plastic bags, cardboard boxes, glass shards and redundant tools? :'(
Post by: Descan on June 29, 2017, 11:52:17 am
Post by: pisskop on June 29, 2017, 03:09:31 pm
Post by: duckman on July 03, 2017, 04:43:55 pm
Edit 2: No wait, that was just all the other mods I had on the gun.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 03, 2017, 05:54:20 pm
I don't know how they managed it, but the hack-job done to "fix" the Kel-Tec KSG's stats is slightly more useless than the accessories slots on revolvers.Edit: Also, cutting down the barrel on a gun makes it heavier.
Edit 2: No wait, that was just all the other mods I had on the gun.
So much derp. Somedays I regret adding it. The whole "secondary weapon to simulate a second mag tube" thing had been nothing but problems ever since.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 04, 2017, 05:01:03 am
Post by: Descan on July 04, 2017, 10:37:32 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 04, 2017, 11:09:04 am
Sewing seems to be bugged at the moment. All crafting recipes require the thread to not be 'loaded' into the needle/kit to work.
Some chucklefuck changed crafting to not need loaded thread, then decided that making sewing not have to be loaded was another day's problem.
You know, do the easier option first? :V
Post by: Tellemurius on July 05, 2017, 12:43:43 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on July 05, 2017, 01:18:23 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on July 05, 2017, 01:27:25 pm
Have you used splints?Yep, my encumbrance is at 79 right now one for each.
Post by: duckman on July 07, 2017, 10:07:15 am
Post by: Lukewarm on July 07, 2017, 09:39:39 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on July 08, 2017, 10:31:27 am
The progress from splints is reset if they're damaged. Stay away from danger.Thats what I figured but its been hard to find something for my character to work on at the side as my world has a huge lack of books.
Post by: kulik on July 11, 2017, 02:53:35 am
Speaking of nights, is there a mod that changes the way visibility at nigh works? Like in that the nights aren't pitch dark, but you can make out things based on their size and proximity?
Thanks.
Post by: n9103 on July 11, 2017, 10:27:05 pm
Kinda sounds like you might also want mostly blind zombies too if you expect to just walk past them at a relatively close range, in which case you'd want to turn down the vision settings too.
AFAIK, They don't follow you beyond the last time the saw, heard, or smelled you, but what can trick people up is the distance to which your smell can spread, and how long it lingers.
As far as where these settings actually are, I can't be of help, as it's been far too long since I've played :-/
They may just be in the world gen options, or you may have to poke around in the files... or possibly recompile after editing the source, but that'd be worst case, and I'm sure they've exposed those settings at one of the higher levels.
Post by: duckman on July 15, 2017, 06:40:48 pm
Post by: pisskop on July 16, 2017, 08:50:10 am
'power up'?
when you reinforce something you repair it and make it less likely to 'break down' in the future.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on July 16, 2017, 08:56:51 am
Post by: Adragis on July 16, 2017, 06:02:04 pm
Are you supposed to be able to power up engines and motors by reinforcing them before you install them, or is this just a side effect of the engine damage mechanic?
Well, reinforcing guns with the gunsmith repair kit means you 'accurize' them. I imagine reinforcing stuff amounts to optimising them, so reinforcing your engine is tuning it up as well as adding protection.
Post by: Aseaheru on July 16, 2017, 06:14:26 pm
Post by: duckman on July 18, 2017, 03:08:35 pm
Its a shame you cant reinforce them while installed though.That would make it completely free to upgrade your engines.
As an aside, since Tiger Kungfu is still broken, I've been trying to see how long I can keep a 5+ stack of buffs going as a minigame.
Edit: Was messing around with a debugged cvd machine to see what oddities could be cooked up (diamond scrap suits are a thing apparently). What happened to diamond coating piercing weapons? It still partially exists in the code and the Flagging references on GitHub still mention that it can be done but it seems that someone either forgot to finish it or it's still undecided if they actually want it in the game or not.
Edit 2: Painkillers for CBM installation seems pretty controversial. Maybe a change to the first aid skill, similar to the survival skill and mushrooms, to let you know how much of a drug is a safe dosage would be be useful. Or at least how much of a dose will definitely kill you. Pretty much the same thing, really.
Edit 3: What's wrong with barns? All the farms I've found have barns with no interior whatsoever, it's just grass and dirt like the ground outside. Did someone think it was an animal pen and "fix" it like whoever tried to "fix" the Keltec KSG by making the gun have a volume of 1.76?
Edit 4: Actually, I said something about this before while complaining about the KSG's OCD inducing "fix", but what IS the point of the accessory slot on revolvers? The casings are automatically put into your inventory when you reload, not that you can actually put a brass catcher on revolvers anyways. Putting a shoulder strap on it isn't possible because it's a pistol and the remaining accessories are the bow stabilizer and arrow rest which are also incompatible for the same reasons as the shoulder strap.
Post by: BigD145 on August 07, 2017, 11:00:23 pm
"Added milk ammo and starting ammo to cows"
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Post by: Azated on August 08, 2017, 01:18:02 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on August 08, 2017, 01:23:59 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on August 08, 2017, 02:10:46 pm
Post by: Descan on August 08, 2017, 02:22:26 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on August 08, 2017, 03:33:02 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 08, 2017, 07:01:09 pm
I...well, so far I'd rather stick to an older build anyway. Honestly I don't even give a shit about the infamous "CBM painkillers" thing, but everything I've seen about it suggests Kevin handled all criticism about it in his usual manner.
Post by: Silicoid on August 08, 2017, 07:42:01 pm
So, here's some Fun. Coolthulhu made an unofficial patch in the wake of a lot of dumb ideas on Kevin's part: http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14767.0 (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14767.0)I tried the CBM painkiller update-its very arbitrary, there is literally no feedback about what pkill level you should be at-and you have wait for you painkill level(which there is no description other the - to you speed) to get that level. I died from a overdose trying to get it to good level.
I...well, so far I'd rather stick to an older build anyway. Honestly I don't even give a shit about the infamous "CBM painkillers" thing, but everything I've seen about it suggests Kevin handled all criticism about it in his usual manner.
It's badly designed, which is okay-that's what experimentals are for. I remember when I got the 'zombie progression' system put in, it needed a lot of tuning.
However, shutting down criticism, and the no-pkill mod to an unpopular feature, at least until it worked better, makes me not like where the project has been headed for a year now.
There used to be a hard stance against 'pointless realism' such as cleaning clothes, vitamin system, faulty cars etc, that made surviving tedious, but now we seem to be going down that same path that was once railed against.
I miss the wackiness Cataclysm had, with the acid rain, building cutting burning eyes, and the unlimited things you could do with vehicles.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 08, 2017, 10:49:29 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on August 09, 2017, 01:07:12 am
Post by: duckman on August 09, 2017, 01:07:44 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 09, 2017, 02:03:58 am
I assume the dynamic horde system is not fully fixed yet either?
Meh, I ought to reinstall the game. When I get my new pc maybe
Post by: pisskop on August 09, 2017, 08:00:47 am
they have finite numbers and take time to arrive on location (and can thus be 'led')
they also lack their previous range and scale in number according to city size.
oddly enough ive been able to create artificial (synthetic) cities via json and the game populates it with wanderers. so it might be that specific things like houses will create hordes, or that any place that spawns enough zeds will also spin off a horde or three
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 09, 2017, 11:58:56 am
First is https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21555 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21555) which I might use for some modding ideas I have, by having mutations let you conjure stuff.
Second's https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21583 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21583) by everyone's favorite bird youkai. Looks like some cute bionics.
Third we've got https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21503 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21503) and this is the one that's the big IQ drain. Not because of the change itself but Kevin's "feedback" on it. PR opener's got way more patience for bullshit than I do, and even then he's clearly getting fed up with having to tell Kevin blatantly obvious things he keeps demanding be explained.
If it were me trying to PR and dealing with shit like that, I'd have already closed the PR and posted this:
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Post by: Urist McManiac on August 10, 2017, 08:34:57 am
Post by: Azated on August 10, 2017, 08:59:51 am
Having dozens of people working on one project with no common goal or any cohesion is bound to cause arguments. Most of the time it turns into a pretty good game though.
Post by: Urist McManiac on August 10, 2017, 09:07:19 am
It's pretty much been like this since whales handed over to the community.
Having dozens of people working on one project with no common goal or any cohesion is bound to cause arguments. Most of the time it turns into a pretty good game though.
Don't get me wrong - the game is good. I'm just afraid that it could be a lot better if there was a commong goal/vision for it. Currently, it seems to be torn apart by people holding "muh realizm!" above all else and people who want the game to be as arcade-y as possible.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 10, 2017, 10:13:52 am
I'm afraid to say this, but this game is slowly turning into "Cataclysm: Developer Drama Ahead". I really couldn't care less about the bickering between people I don't know, but it's sad to see how the game's slowly turning to the worse because the guys in charge seemingly can't work together.
That...yeah. I had a lot of arguments back in my day, but it was almost always specifically with one dev. The one that tends to be the most-often involved in drama these days. -w-
Post by: Adragis on August 10, 2017, 12:51:25 pm
But apparently not.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 10, 2017, 02:10:46 pm
In practice Kevin will argue with anyone who disagrees, to the point where even Coolthulhu's griped about it, and no one's making a fork because there you need people who can code.
Post by: pisskop on August 11, 2017, 01:32:50 pm
Fuckin' caves for days, but nothing like the useful endpoints of other earlier games.
Post by: iceball3 on August 11, 2017, 03:21:21 pm
Every time I go onto the repo to see what PRs are around and whether I feel like updating my old build, I lose IQ points. There's there PRs up that'll make me want to update build.Oh boy. Reading that last one makes my head spin.
First is https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21555 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21555) which I might use for some modding ideas I have, by having mutations let you conjure stuff.
Second's https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21583 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21583) by everyone's favorite bird youkai. Looks like some cute bionics.
Third we've got https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21503 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21503) and this is the one that's the big IQ drain. Not because of the change itself but Kevin's "feedback" on it. PR opener's got way more patience for bullshit than I do, and even then he's clearly getting fed up with having to tell Kevin blatantly obvious things he keeps demanding be explained.
If it were me trying to PR and dealing with shit like that, I'd have already closed the PR and posted this:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Was a crankypost deleted by kevin or is he literally responding to the post just prior to his? For the last post in the commit.
Post by: Greiger on August 11, 2017, 04:21:16 pm
I do admit things were starting to get a bit heated, but I kinda empathize. They provided what Kevin asked for, and then gets understandably exasperated when kevin decides he needs more examples. He provided what was asked for, and was still denied claiming that he didn't provide it. Either kevin does not know what he wants or is poorly conveying what he wants. Kevin wanted an example of why the change was needed, he provided one (no benefit currently to a shield+rapier), and Kevin keeps asking for a reason why it matters when it should be clear.
Probably not gunna do any good in the long run and might just fan the flames, but I called him out on it in the github. I think dangernoodle has a good idea.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 11, 2017, 04:35:24 pm
Post by: duckman on August 11, 2017, 07:21:38 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 11, 2017, 07:39:00 pm
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Post by: Tellemurius on August 12, 2017, 10:39:33 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 12, 2017, 02:51:44 pm
Post by: Silicoid on August 12, 2017, 08:25:51 pm
Banning permanently Dangernoodle, when he/she was pretty respectful, and responded to Kevin's criticisms with the information he demanded, is not a good thing for an open source project.
Post by: Descan on August 12, 2017, 10:03:32 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 12, 2017, 10:08:07 pm
Post by: Greiger on August 12, 2017, 10:11:00 pm
I may be mistaken of course.
EDIT: Also just as an aside, just in case Kevin reads this, you do see all the distaste being directed your way don't you? Here, on the github and on the cata forums right? Doesn't that kinda tell you that you might be doing something wrong?
Post by: duckman on August 12, 2017, 11:25:56 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 12, 2017, 11:27:28 pm
Sounds like y'all should just ban Kevin, tbh. Why don't ya? (and unban the Noodler)
And unban the drago-nowait nah, I don't really wanna be a contributor again.
And honestly, people have told Kevin straight up what he does is wrong, and I know I've made at least a few attempts back in my day to discuss things more discreetly in forum PMs. It never does any good, no matter who says it to him, what they say, or how they say it.
That said I kinda doubt he'd be on here, but having seen him on the CDDA Discord had been just as big a surprise.
EDIT:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/173885826638282762/346158201437290498/unknown.png)
Post by: Taberone on August 13, 2017, 12:52:00 pm
Post by: Greiger on August 13, 2017, 12:55:01 pm
*Not like I do much, all I ever did to get that contributor tag was restructure a few recipe json files to make sense. Which if I recall correctly Kevin was all for back in the early days.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 13, 2017, 01:09:45 pm
I'd thumbs up too if I wasn't also blocked. :V
Post by: Greiger on August 13, 2017, 01:20:27 pm
"He [Kevin] wants the implementation to be done his way and considers that more important than what players want."
To say that openly on a forum Kevin controls, pretty much nails that there is no love between the two. (In the interest of fairness, In the same thread Kevin does respond, and claims other reasons why it wasn't merged, but I'm not in the mood to look into it further for the sake of an aside.)
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 13, 2017, 01:31:30 pm
Then again, I haven't really been affected by the ranged wonkiness, even before it was fucked up you tend to miss a lot outside of 10 tiles. If I'm not close enough to get 100% hit rate I tend to reeee.
Post by: Tellemurius on August 13, 2017, 01:32:03 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 13, 2017, 01:36:53 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 13, 2017, 01:47:56 pm
Post by: Greiger on August 13, 2017, 02:02:39 pm
Open libre is a fork of open office. Open libre was forked because they did not like the direction office was going (I don't recall the details, but I recall it seeming like good reason to fork). Yet still more people know open office than open libre. And many longtime users of office never even knew Libre exists.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 14, 2017, 12:16:43 am
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/166715641812746243/346521902824554498/unknown.png)
That makes both of the other major devs.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 14, 2017, 01:38:40 am
Probably because any fork would be seen as less legitimate than the main. That and I suppose people do still want to try and salvage what we already have. It's like open office vs open libre.If you mean libreoffice afaik it's bigger than openoffice at the moment
Open libre is a fork of open office. Open libre was forked because they did not like the direction office was going (I don't recall the details, but I recall it seeming like good reason to fork). Yet still more people know open office than open libre. And many longtime users of office never even knew Libre exists.
Didnt happen because of that, though, the situation was very different: Oracle discontinued support so people moved over to the fork. Afterwards Oracle donated the whole project to the apache foundation and it was kind of reborn.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 16, 2017, 03:39:13 pm
Post by: zaimoni on August 17, 2017, 08:16:11 pm
If you mean libreoffice afaik it's bigger than openoffice at the momentYes. Doesn't change that LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice. It was triggered by six months of active refusal to merge in bugfixes, and two-thirds of the dev team left for LibreOffice at the split.
Post by: Descan on August 17, 2017, 08:45:43 pm
Yes, but it does change the original point, that being that a fork of a project is necessarily smaller and more obscure than the originating project. "less legitimate" was the original wording.If you mean libreoffice afaik it's bigger than openoffice at the momentYes. Doesn't change that LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice. It was triggered by six months of active refusal to merge in bugfixes, and two-thirds of the dev team left for LibreOffice at the split.
Post by: Greiger on August 17, 2017, 10:05:00 pm
Post by: jocan2003 on August 17, 2017, 10:24:57 pm
He begins to phase out as they start pilling on his position and disapear, only to reappear jist outside the explosion range. Most of them died in the blast, only a few stragler remained. Engaging his repair nanobot, adrenali e pump and just to make sure, why not some powerfull experimental stimulant. Dispatching the remaining wasnt that hard since they were scattered.
Mission accomplished.
Tldr. You better be fucking ready for that superweapon quest.... think 10+ shocker brute in enxlosed space on steroidbbqsauce.
Post by: pisskop on August 17, 2017, 11:15:24 pm
cata++ mod is known for its remarkable unsubtly.
the power disparity is real in that mod. never dull
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 18, 2017, 01:11:15 am
Post by: Culise on August 18, 2017, 02:02:11 am
Ah, the future. Where dropping seven hand grenades at your feet after taking a massive blow from a monster is survivable.Indeed, a grenade surprise is much more survivable when you can teleport out of the way of the explosion. The future is now. :P
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 18, 2017, 10:28:35 am
Tldr. You better be fucking ready for that superweapon quest.... think 10+ shocker brute in enxlosed space on steroidbbqsauce.
It was a lot more trivial back before Noct made Apophis spawn underground. Unknown Lab, plus a fucking tank... 3:
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 18, 2017, 11:13:45 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 18, 2017, 12:04:23 pm
Post by: Damiac on August 18, 2017, 01:09:10 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 18, 2017, 01:55:18 pm
I also recall starting right at the last gasp of KA101's time there, he even helped a bit with my drunken flailing of a first PR.
Post by: Damiac on August 18, 2017, 02:46:37 pm
Some personality types are more prone to this than others, and probably the personality types that would take management of a big community project like this have a fair amount of overlap with personality types that might be a bit more assertive than most. I know if I led a big project I'd start nice and open and assume good faith and all that jazz, but I also know people would get on my nerves, friction would develop, and I'd probably drive everyone away with an insane tirade at 3am. So in that way Kevin's demonstrated a lot more patience than I have.
So I guess what I'm saying is, I would love a separate fork to happen, but I also know I'm too lazy to do it myself, so I have no business expecting someone to do it for me. I'd rather there be at least one version being added to instead of zero.
TLDR; I'm lazy, make Cata exactly the perfect game in my imagination, and no I'm not giving you any input, because I'm lazy, remember? :P
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 19, 2017, 12:05:06 pm
Post by: Greiger on August 19, 2017, 01:59:52 pm
When he got into an argument with people in a mod thread over why something will not be mainlined, instead of straight up deleting the posts (which he could have easily done, and likely would not have gotten much flak for) he just moved the discussion to another thread.
Post by: George_Chickens on August 19, 2017, 09:04:20 pm
Wow, the 'drama' is real, huh? Kevin's clearly been... like this... for quite a while, seemingly going against what the community wants for the sake of his ego. Oh well, DDA is his project, but I think the time for a fork is due. Essentially, Kevin's vision involves 'realism' over what some might consider 'fun' or 'balance', which obviously does appeal to some gamers. But it seems clear enough that a lot (maybe even most) players would prefer fun and balance over 'realism', so maybe it's time for the "Cataclysm: Less Tedium Ahead" branch.What did I miss? Kevin's attitude to criticism at times really drove me off of the forum. I saw well thought out criticism dismissed with what was basically a "heh just make a mod kiddo"
I really hope that it turns into a full fork or split, because Kevin has basically decided that the code that Whales intended for all the community to modify is his private property where he gets the final say in all matters.
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Project organization things:
We should vote on this: Nope
The project isn't a democracy, no number of "me too"s or votes is going to change something we've decided on.
The method for users to influence development is via debate. This is intentional, not due to laziness.
Debate sidesteps all the nasty problems around deciding who gets to vote and enforcing that everyone gets the right amount of voting power etc. and validates that people actually know what they're asking for.
A good reason to make a change has more impact than any number of votes. A lot of the issues in this thread are good examples of this
The project is run by me ("owns" the project, final say on features)
Post by: Descan on August 20, 2017, 02:11:21 pm
Except when that "one vision" is a seemingly jerkwad who doesn't *actually* take into consideration others views, just paying lip service, and either doesn't understand simple explanations or pretends to not so he doesn't need to approve it.
Post by: Azated on August 20, 2017, 04:20:00 pm
It isn't his project. If he wants to own it, he should file a copyright, or privatise the code, or do something. Otherwise, he's just on a massive power trip. Until he does something other than bitch and moan at people throwing their own skittles into the pile, it's a pointless conversation either way.
Post by: pisskop on August 20, 2017, 04:47:19 pm
lol
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 20, 2017, 05:21:41 pm
Post by: Gatleos on August 20, 2017, 05:33:34 pm
Post by: n9103 on August 20, 2017, 05:36:07 pm
They would need to have a familiarity with the nature of the code, and it's overall structure, and they would need people they could trust that can deal with the code itself.
They would just manage the actual requests and overall flow of the project as a whole, rather than the code the requests are contributing.
It's not likely to be a feasible situation due to the gratis nature of Cataclysm, but it's a possible one, assuming project control is passed, or a fork becomes self-sustaining.
That's actually something I would be somewhat comfortable taking on, if I knew the community better and were more of a people person.
Post by: pisskop on August 20, 2017, 05:36:47 pm
Post by: Akura on August 20, 2017, 06:58:33 pm
Post by: Tellemurius on August 20, 2017, 08:15:10 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 20, 2017, 10:59:48 pm
And...yeah, if we could organize a fork, I'd be all over that if others are accepting of it. Well, maybe. Honestly I'm not 100% sure I'd want to contribute again.
Post by: duckman on August 21, 2017, 02:55:41 am
Post by: Azated on August 21, 2017, 04:27:22 am
TL;DR: World goes to shit, then it gets diarrhea, then it contracts full blown dysentery and dies fording a river. You are the surviving intestinal bacteria. Now build a tank-car-house and die fording a river too.
If this were to happen, it would probably be a good idea to keep multiple people in charge of the project. Even if someone leaves, someone else should be able to move up to take their position and keep what basically happened to leave Kevin as the only one with any authority from happening again.
I totally agree. That said, I can't help but make the parallel of deposing a dictator and rebuilding the government from the ground up with power checks in place to stop anyone else monopolizing power. It's very American Civil War-ish.
Post by: Damiac on August 21, 2017, 12:00:18 pm
Kevin's just a straight up .... Do we need to say much else?
It isn't his project. If he wants to own it, he should file a copyright, or privatise the code, or do something. Otherwise, he's just on a massive power trip. Until he does something other than bitch and moan at people throwing their own skittles into the pile, it's a pointless conversation either way.
To be fair to Kevin, he has not in any way made it unavailable, and anyone at anytime is free to copy the entire project to a new fork and do what they want, so it's not like he's taken ownership of Cata, just Cata DDA, which as I understand is his fork (as in, he started it).
I understand being irritated at his behavior, but it's not as if he just swooped out of the blue and stole the project from someone.
It would be best either way to try to keep things civil, even if there are two diverging codebases at some point it would be nice to have friendly enough relations to share good ideas back and forth. And It would probably help Kevin out as well, since the people most dissatisfied with the way he's running the project could then leave, taking their ideas to the new fork where they'll be more accepted (or not). And then the people who stay behind are choosing to continue working with him, so I'd think that would make things less stressful for him as well.
Keep in mind, Kevin hasn't charged anyone a cent, nor has he gained any actual assets from this project. He's doing this for his own reasons, so he's certainly got the right to tell people to go fork themselves, so to speak :P. As much fun as internet drama may be, let's not be too hard on the guy, he hasn't stolen from anyone. We could all make a fork right now and call it Cataclysm: No Kevins Club if we felt like it. And if we did, we'd have the benefit of all the work Kevin has done (and of course everyone else who's contributed!)
Just the small discussions I've seen about how to manage such a fork, how to control who has power, and all that seems to illustrate some of the more thankless aspects Kevin's taken on himself.
Post by: Gatleos on August 21, 2017, 04:19:05 pm
For those of you who are dissatisfied with the current state of the game, and the direction it's heading, how would you sum that up? And what changes would you make if you had the time and motivation?
Post by: Rince Wind on August 21, 2017, 06:44:43 pm
Putting aside any personality clashes...
For those of you who are dissatisfied with the current state of the game, and the direction it's heading, how would you sum that up? And what changes would you make if you had the time and motivation?
And the ability...
I last played quit a few weeks ago, and not for long because it was just tedious. So it is only the very beginning I experienced (multiple times :D). But dirty clothes? I already need to do laundry in RL, I really don't see the point of doing it in this game. It just takes away from the point imo. If you want to restrict the clothes in early game just give the zombies less, and let a lot of it be in tatters because they don't give a fuck anymore if they rip it while climbing through that broken window or whatever, and standing outside 24/7 doesn't help either.
Realism for realisms sake doesn't make it a better game, there should also be a corresponding gameplay benefit.
Post by: Greiger on August 21, 2017, 07:24:31 pm
My problem is that usually when I come back to the game I see some cool new feature that I really really like. Last two times I did, there was really nothing new notable. Maybe a few new buildings, but I could mod that in myself if I needed more building variety. Then I glance through the github and see a number of things simply shut down by kevin. It's like he's scared to have another vehicle overhaul happen on his watch. That ended up going badly for a few weeks, sure, but I feel the game was better for it after.
That whole shield rewrite thing I don't even think I would have noticed if it went in, but if Kevin is just deciding to shutdown things like that, where the code is already written, and it has clear benefits, what else has he shut down just because of the tiniest of risk? It very much seems like nothing new and interesting is coming about because nothing new and interesting is allowed anymore.
Post by: George_Chickens on August 21, 2017, 08:17:24 pm
For those of you who are dissatisfied with the current state of the game, and the direction it's heading, how would you sum that up? And what changes would you make if you had the time and motivation?Tedium, tedium, TEDIUM. I've mentioned it several times over the course of the thread, but there are numerous things that feel like they were half implemented, forgotten, and left in because "oh well" that just add layer upon layer of boredom before you can get to the goods. It was a huge problem when Whales left and the community took over, due to lack of cohesion, but now it feels like it's written in a big design document with red ink, stating "DON'T ABSTRACT ANYTHING, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE SIXTEEN STEPS WHEN IT COULD HAVE FOUR YOU'VE FAILED"
I also dislike how the design choices of the game feel to me like a means of railroading players into a list of orthodox playstyles. I used to play a treasure hunter build, where I'd try to get as many guns as i possibly could and super-deck them out with all the mods I could find, all whilst massacring zombies in my super tank. The decisions to make gun shops literally safer than ingame banks makes the former not difficult, but tedious (see a pattern here?), and the decision to turn it from an open game where you played how you liked to an ultra realistic survival sim means that the other has gone from needing 30 minutes of real life time to gather resources and 5 or so minutes to construct your vehicle, to taking over an hour because welding a single plate onto your car takes a great deal of ingame time, and you have to take breaks to find food and clean water.
I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy, but I feel as though the game has become a ton more tedious than from the times of Whales and early DDA, and I'd like to know if I'm just feeling misguided nostalgia or if I'm onto something.What I've said before mostly still stands, but I've really opened up to resurrections.
Take, for example, resurrection mechanics and gun shops. Gun shops are locked up, but just in a way that adds a single, long step into getting into them, usually finding explosives or trying to fix up a car to ram it. As for resurrection, previously I'd kill things and burn them if I thought a necromancer was coming, but now I need to press S on every corpse so that it doesn't arise. I love the idea of zombies coming back up, but I really don't like its execution.
Post by: pisskop on August 21, 2017, 08:22:19 pm
Its not 'tedious' in this case, as it does prevent underequiped survivors from entering. Or forcing you to choose what car to use. I even add in a stone gun shop for that purpose: to stop ramming.
Tedium does take happen, but some of it is mitigated by the idea that endgame isnt what we, they are designing for.
Early and Mid game are actually the target for a lot of these new mechanics. Perhaps some QoL features for endgame would be nice, but things like filthy clothing is distinctly aimed at early to mid game.
The mechanics overhauls is somewhat tedious, I do admit, but then again I dont really deathmobile any more. A lot of the reason is due to the wheel jacks though. Boom Cranes are rare.
Post by: George_Chickens on August 21, 2017, 08:28:36 pm
Its not 'tedious' in this case, as it does prevent underequiped survivors from entering. Or forcing you to choose what car to use. I even add in a stone gun shop for that purpose: to stop ramming.My point is, you can still get in, neither is it particularly hard to get in, the problem is that the step is part of a larger chain that simply makes it an annoying pain in the arse to bother, and that seems to be prevalent in many aspects of the game nowadays. A lockpick, a hacksaw or a car can get in, and in the opening hours of the game, too. All the change has done is added a long, boring step of searching and searching before you can get in. I've taken to raiding basements for guns as a result, because it simply lacks the amount of pointless steps.
I say pointless tedium because it's easy to subvert, but takes an excessive amount of time to, and the alternative, easier methods even provide better loot and less steps to get said loot, when I'd assume gun shops would have a better selection than some crack dealer's basement.
Post by: Silicoid on August 21, 2017, 09:30:21 pm
Most of the development has been focused on making the early game more tedious, with such winners as windchill(making it hard for a new character to survive), dirty clothing.
Once you've cleared out an area, there is no need to defend it-I miss the random zombie bears, bears, and other things attacking.
I also miss acid rain-it made it so you needed some form of shelter with you.
Post by: Darkmere on August 22, 2017, 04:09:38 am
I got shouted down for suggesting gameplay should trump senseless realism... and here we are.
Post by: Akura on August 22, 2017, 04:39:20 am
Post by: scriver on August 22, 2017, 06:07:31 am
I don't see the problem when it's literally an option to turn it off when you start a new game. Besides the problem of the interface and how to find the options not being particularly intuitive/self clear, that is.
Post by: Sheb on August 22, 2017, 06:40:05 am
I like dirty clothes. Like the guy above I was already avoiding using clothes off of dead things before that change, but it felt nice for the game to reward me for it.
I don't see the problem when it's literally an option to turn it off when you start a new game. Besides the problem of the interface and how to find the options not being particularly intuitive/self clear, that is.
Mee too actually.
Post by: Majestic7 on August 22, 2017, 10:22:45 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 22, 2017, 11:28:53 am
I has an Arcana mod idea that involves this.
Post by: Damiac on August 22, 2017, 12:03:54 pm
Realism is fine if carrying it out in game is not tedious. Like I said before, just having one command "take care of your equipment" which would make your character clean clothes, clean guns and stuff. That's fine. Having to click something ten times is not. It is like you had carry out all the tasks in Dwarf Fortress manually. "Press button to smash the metal bar with the hammer. Hammerstrikes left to produce one dagger: 58".
This! So much this!
If you want to include overhead for equipment and such, that's fine! More challenge is always great, especially if it can be optional. But nobody has fun pressing 100 keystrokes to do completely mindless tasks even if they appreciate that those mindless tasks do need to be done.
I'd rather have a 'maintenance' time that you would spend before sleeping, or when performing a generic 'equipment maintenance' activity. Carry more guns and wear more clothes, the maintenance task takes longer, or needs to be done more often. Keep less equipment that requires maintenance, or gain skill in skills that affect the maintenance you're doing, and it takes less time, or needs to be done less often. Then it become a gameplay mechanic, something that can actually be balanced, unlike tedium. Currently there's no 'challenge' or 'strategy' required for lots of these maintenance tasks (filling mags, eating, drinking, reading a book, washing clothes, maintaining firearms (is this actually a thing in the game now?), etc...
The fact that you can't make gunpowder just seems silly, as others have pointed out, when you can literally make a Plasma Rifle out of spare parts, create complex biotech out of corpses, and forge a high quality sword with a souped up charcoal grill and rusty scrap metal!
I know the dirty clothes thing was a big deal for some people, and if I recall correctly at first it wasn't really easy to disable. I agree with most other people that the whole thing is just another unnecessary element of tedium, but if it's optional then who really cares.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 22, 2017, 12:20:24 pm
I know the dirty clothes thing was a big deal for some people, and if I recall correctly at first it wasn't really easy to disable. I agree with most other people that the whole thing is just another unnecessary element of tedium, but if it's optional then who really cares.
Thing is it wasn't optional at first, if I recall.
Post by: Gatleos on August 22, 2017, 12:37:47 pm
Whether anyone here thinks they have the skills to manage a new fork or even contribute to the codebase, getting all these ideas written down in one place will make it easier to chart a course for a potential offshoot.
Post by: Cattani on August 22, 2017, 04:58:05 pm
Post by: Eclectic Wizard on August 24, 2017, 07:26:17 pm
While I liked the whole thing about internal and detachable magazines thing, I didn't like how I need to press three different keys to make a shot, or press f two times at some completely arbitrary penalty just to get a shot off. I really miss Whales, I really do.
Post by: vastaghen12 on August 24, 2017, 07:47:57 pm
They removed the many variants of gun stores in favor of that one single boring block which is basically the original Whales design but made more boring and unrealistically secure, it doesn't feel like a gun store in America, it doesn't even feel like a gun store, it acts and feels like a locked up box of guns because some random dev decided they didn't like guns.
The other variants of gunstore are still in the game, its just that they have always had minuscule weight in comparison to the original design.
Post by: n9103 on August 24, 2017, 09:24:41 pm
I haven't the foggiest what it's true state is, but if that was an accurate (as opposed to Steam-time :P) estimate of the effort remaining, perhaps those dissatisfied with DDA could rally to finish and maintain the semi-abandoned sequel?
I know once upon a time Whales was somewhat opposed to pull requests on Cata1, and while he was still coding, it was pretty much the same for Cata2. But that was also years ago when he still had passion for the project.
Just saying, that (afaik) a pretty much forgotten sequel could be viable given the reasonable circumstances and persuasion.
Post by: George_Chickens on August 24, 2017, 09:54:13 pm
I also don't see why people dissatisfied with the current game should just leave, either. It's a community project, and there is clearly a split in the community here. That sounded way more aggressive than I intended.
Post by: Tawa on August 25, 2017, 10:15:19 pm
I suggest that someone draft a simple design doc describing this other version of Cataclysm that you would all like to see. The general consensus seems to be "complexity is good, tedium is bad". The game should retain its difficulty, as well as player freedom and expression, but steps should be taken to remove parts of the game that add unnecessary, tedious obstacles (busywork) between the player and the fun aspects of the game.I would love to draft this document. I've been effectively silent on this issue, but I'm seriously unhappy with the direction the project has taken, and Kevin's autocratic management has been the root of the problem, IMO.
Whether anyone here thinks they have the skills to manage a new fork or even contribute to the codebase, getting all these ideas written down in one place will make it easier to chart a course for a potential offshoot.
Any suggestions? I take it I should focus on the project philosophy, but should I be brief on the reasons for the split or expound upon them? Should I go into specifics of what belongs or what doesn't, or should I leave the real nitty-gritty and specific game mechanics out for a later revision once the fork is up and running?
Post by: George_Chickens on August 25, 2017, 11:31:37 pm
If not, will you take some suggestions?
Post by: n9103 on August 25, 2017, 11:33:24 pm
It should be more of a high-level exposition, as opposed to being detail-oriented, as far as in-game things go. Certain lore specifics would fit into such a document, however.
Post by: Mephansteras on August 29, 2017, 11:22:23 am
And I am definitely in favor of a basic guiding principle of "Realism is great as long as it does not impose too much tedium on the player". Want it to take 8 hours for my character to craft up some easy but time consuming? Sure, as long as it doesn't take more then me as a player going "Hey, character, make this thing".
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 29, 2017, 11:43:54 am
Post by: Baijiu on August 29, 2017, 07:23:03 pm
Then the game crashed and I lost my character. I haven't had the heart to open the game back up since the crash, I'm just so broken over it. Not to mention I'm kinda terrified now of the game crashing on me as it's never crashed before this. Why you treat me like this Cataclysm?
Maybe I'll just wait for the new IWBUMS release for Project Zomboid. New area has been added along with vehicles. Plus, when that game crashes I don't lose everything >_<
Post by: Ygdrad on August 30, 2017, 02:25:52 am
I was making good progress with a character, made it to day 12 which is different for me as I usually die on the second or third day. I may have been abusing NPCs and treating them like fodder but I did keep most of them alive. Found some skill books, was starting to skill up my character decently....
Then the game crashed and I lost my character. I haven't had the heart to open the game back up since the crash, I'm just so broken over it. Not to mention I'm kinda terrified now of the game crashing on me as it's never crashed before this. Why you treat me like this Cataclysm?
Maybe I'll just wait for the new IWBUMS release for Project Zomboid. New area has been added along with vehicles. Plus, when that game crashes I don't lose everything >_<
Why don't you enable autosave? I haven't played in a while, but I'm pretty sure there's an option for the game to save when you go to bed.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 30, 2017, 02:50:12 am
Post by: Ygdrad on August 30, 2017, 03:42:40 am
Welp. Yet another PR that would make me want to update for the sake of testing changes to my mod becomes endangered by Kevin. (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21721)
Maybe the clairvoyance artifact was not meant to fully recon rooms on the other side of a wall but just save you from opening a door and being face-to-face with something nasty. The basic range of 3 does its job well if that job is to avoid surprises at close range. Could just ask him what the intended purpose of it is, or explain that you'd be going for a change in purpose rather than just "making it better for the sake of making it better".
Post by: pisskop on August 30, 2017, 07:44:46 am
The two-tile basic night vision was a godsend back in 0.C, this variable, monochromatic, mid-range NV is good. It even lets you snipe with a gun with it.
3 tiles of wall-see is not a bunch.
I think 5 would be adequate, and a compromise.
Post by: iceball3 on August 30, 2017, 10:00:50 am
People's complaints tend to also be about night vision being so op now.Cool thing about current night vision is that it's range is dependent on modified perception. So having low base perception, being in severe pain, or having heavy eye encumbrance can all set your vision range down to one tile.
The two-tile basic night vision was a godsend back in 0.C, this variable, monochromatic, mid-range NV is good. It even lets you snipe with a gun with it.
3 tiles of wall-see is not a bunch.
I think 5 would be adequate, and a compromise.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 30, 2017, 12:19:10 pm
3 tiles of wall-see is not a bunch.
I think 5 would be adequate, and a compromise.
Kevin put up a good suggestion, adding a higher-level clairvoyance effect. Since Noct isn't the code monkey here, and of those of us over on Utterly Mad I'm the most competent (translation: least INcompetent) with the source...
...godhelpusall. ;w;
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 30, 2017, 03:24:11 pm
Cool thing about current night vision is that it's range is dependent on modified perception. So having low base perception, being in severe pain, or having heavy eye encumbrance can all set your vision range down to one tile.I understand its purpose and all but hearing 'eye encumbrance' still amuses me and brings to mind someone somehow lifting heavy things with his eyelids.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 30, 2017, 03:40:07 pm
Post by: ollobrains on August 30, 2017, 08:56:40 pm
Pbbbt. The Wink of Doom, insta-gibbing zombie hulks.
agreed needs complexity depth
Post by: Gatleos on August 30, 2017, 09:21:38 pm
Any suggestions? I take it I should focus on the project philosophy, but should I be brief on the reasons for the split or expound upon them? Should I go into specifics of what belongs or what doesn't, or should I leave the real nitty-gritty and specific game mechanics out for a later revision once the fork is up and running?
Basic guidelines to help answer the basic questions of "Should this be in the game" and "What level of realism are we shooting for?" are good.
And I am definitely in favor of a basic guiding principle of "Realism is great as long as it does not impose too much tedium on the player". Want it to take 8 hours for my character to craft up some easy but time consuming? Sure, as long as it doesn't take more then me as a player going "Hey, character, make this thing".
Yeah, I think that the most important use for a design document is creating a set of guiding principles for which features should be in the game. If someone has a question about a change, the design doc should be able to guide them to a clear "yes" or "no".
I would say that, as a simple guideline, game features should be (in descending level of importance):
- Fun
- Realistic
- Lore-friendly
Post by: Adragis on September 01, 2017, 03:33:57 am
Maybe the clairvoyance artifact was not meant to fully recon rooms on the other side of a wall but just save you from opening a door and being face-to-face with something nasty. The basic range of 3 does its job well if that job is to avoid surprises at close range. Could just ask him what the intended purpose of it is, or explain that you'd be going for a change in purpose rather than just "making it better for the sake of making it better".
I think that's why it's called 'clairvoyance'. Your character's not literally seeing through the walls, just having bizarrely accurate premonitions of what's around the corner/just out of sight.
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 01, 2017, 08:30:22 am
Post by: pisskop on September 01, 2017, 10:28:17 am
Clairvoyance as a debug would allow us to use it.
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 01, 2017, 11:44:17 am
Post by: Adragis on September 02, 2017, 04:05:42 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 02, 2017, 04:24:04 pm
Post by: ollobrains on September 04, 2017, 06:16:33 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 05, 2017, 11:02:28 am
Post by: ollobrains on September 06, 2017, 03:07:39 am
Eh, maybe. For now I figure once Coolthulhu's patch has the new property too (Noct's thing got merged) I'll make use of it.
this is a branch off the main project im assuming, perhaps the new property could have deeper usefulness as well ?
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 06, 2017, 01:45:53 pm
But yeah, Coolthulhu is making a sexier branch with its own releases.
Post by: Gentlefish on September 06, 2017, 03:57:55 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 06, 2017, 03:59:20 pm
Post by: Sindain on September 07, 2017, 08:15:08 am
Post by: Akura on September 07, 2017, 09:09:32 am
Post by: Sindain on September 07, 2017, 11:39:22 am
Post by: pisskop on September 07, 2017, 11:52:06 am
Essentially it would keep rolling and placing items for as long as it rolled under its d100 spawn success frequency. Sooo, if the chance for an item was set to 95%, then it would roll and place items until it rolled a 96-100.
Post by: Damiac on September 08, 2017, 09:30:58 am
In a way, that sucks. In another way, that explains why I needed so much storage space on my deathmobile after looting a couple places.
Post by: pisskop on September 08, 2017, 09:39:38 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 08, 2017, 11:13:25 am
I've fixed most of Arcana to use place_loot since that seem to be the one that's the most up-to-date and actually in use by the devs.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on September 08, 2017, 03:03:14 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 08, 2017, 03:15:53 pm
So did Coolthulu do his own branch then?
A branch to patch some dumb shit, but not yet at the level of a full offshoot yet. It seems some people are PRing to Coolthulhu's fork in general though, which is either:
1. A thing that sometimes happens to collaborate in PRs to the CDDA main repo.
or
2. Signs that at least some people want to improve the star-spawn's version instead of Kevin's version.
Post by: pisskop on September 08, 2017, 07:30:29 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 08, 2017, 09:22:53 pm
Post by: ollobrains on September 10, 2017, 04:34:39 am
Post by: ItinerantWraith on September 12, 2017, 09:36:00 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on September 13, 2017, 01:14:14 pm
A link to the what now? Coolthulu's patch? Here: https://github.com/Coolthulhu/Cataclysm-DDA/releases (https://github.com/Coolthulhu/Cataclysm-DDA/releases)So to run the arcana mod we need Coolthulu's now?
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 13, 2017, 01:30:30 pm
Note that if you use the CDDA Launcher, it's officially your fault if the launcher tries to replace a third-party mod with an obsolete version in the CDDA repo that you'd have to delete to replace with said third-party version. XP
Post by: ChairmanPoo on September 15, 2017, 01:34:47 pm
... out of curiosity, how come CTH´s build is much slimmer than the official port?
Post by: i2amroy on September 15, 2017, 01:53:26 pm
Post by: pisskop on September 15, 2017, 01:54:56 pm
Im sad about rads still being so inflexible, but health is shaping up nicely now that I have good feedback.
Monsters are all successful to various degrees, and some even shine.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on September 15, 2017, 02:17:02 pm
I'm not sure what you mean by "slimmer" there; the release binaries that he's got up on the github are all within about 1-2 MB of the ones on the official port (some smaller, some slightly larger).
20mb vs 50 unless I´m reading something wrong
https://github.com/Coolthulhu/Cataclysm-DDA/releases/
http://dev.narc.ro/cataclysm/jenkins-latest/Windows/Tiles/
Edit: Silly me was going for the curses vesrion. No wonder it was smaller.
Post by: pisskop on September 15, 2017, 02:22:35 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on September 15, 2017, 02:30:13 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 15, 2017, 06:16:32 pm
Post by: BigD145 on September 15, 2017, 07:35:13 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 15, 2017, 09:10:21 pm
Post by: pisskop on September 15, 2017, 09:55:39 pm
I see cabinets, stoves, willow trees, corpses, and cars
Post by: King Zultan on September 16, 2017, 01:31:35 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on September 16, 2017, 05:00:58 am
I've been playing cata since Whales. There was only ascii, and like Pisskop, you stop seeing the ascii. In contrast, tiles feel unusual and awkard.
Likewise with DF. I've been playing this since 2008. I cant fathom it with a graphical frontend
Post by: Rince Wind on September 16, 2017, 05:22:55 am
Post by: BigD145 on September 16, 2017, 11:32:22 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 16, 2017, 01:34:36 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on September 16, 2017, 03:26:26 pm
Mostly because tiles in CDDA make vehicles look horrible to me, and in DF I jsut think it looks better as ascii.
Post by: King Zultan on September 16, 2017, 08:44:52 pm
Post by: ollobrains on September 20, 2017, 07:22:17 pm
Post by: Man of Paper on September 22, 2017, 11:49:42 pm
Post by: Tawa on September 23, 2017, 12:10:12 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 23, 2017, 06:11:38 am
Post by: n9103 on September 23, 2017, 02:41:33 pm
Pretty sure it's simply a matter of the size of the userbases of the two games.
Some small x% of each is going to care enough about the graphics to put out custom graphics for any game.
With DF's base being so much larger, (afterall, we're but a subset of DF users, but we account for a significant amount of DDA users,) there's simply going to be more people creating DF tilesets, and more likely to be people actually interested in maintaining them. (And sometimes not even the original creators!)
With the vast amount of info needed to be represented by every tile, plus the additional info that DDA tilesets often don't bother accounting for until a version or two after they've been introduced, it's not a big surprise that many DDA users simply prefer the default ASCII, which, by it's nature, is going to be more up to date with new info than a DDA tileset is. (This is ignoring the fact that DDA doesn't represent as much info at a glance as DF does, since DF uses a few extra states per tile/ASCII than DDA does.)
On the other hand, DF's popular tilesets rarely go more than a week or two without an update following any release, so there's probably not a lot of people that even notice that there's a release before the tilesets have been updated.
Not all that much more thoughtful, but perhaps a little bit along the lines of what Man of Paper was thinking of elucidating upon.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on September 23, 2017, 05:55:10 pm
Post by: Akura on September 23, 2017, 06:14:37 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on September 23, 2017, 07:38:22 pm
Post by: Sindain on September 24, 2017, 02:50:54 am
Post by: ejseto on September 27, 2017, 12:07:09 pm
I have an integrated toolset. And there are a number of things I cannot dissasemble for some reason.
Is your toolset *on*? The power consuming aspects won't work if it isn't.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 08, 2017, 03:36:32 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 08, 2017, 03:39:29 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 08, 2017, 03:52:48 pm
P:
Actually
https://github.com/pisskop/PKs_Rebalancing
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 08, 2017, 03:55:13 pm
How many other mods are you using? More Locations especially is royally fucky. Arcana only adds 4 extra locations, so it's not going to be as big a problem as the others, and National Guard Camp only adds 1.
I think I´m using that one too
FakeeEdit:
yes, I am.
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 08, 2017, 04:44:58 pm
Pisskop, any idea whether the Urban Development mod fucks with mandatory specials or not as well?
Post by: pisskop on October 08, 2017, 04:48:27 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/blob/master/data/mods/Urban_Development/overmap_specials.json
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 08, 2017, 05:19:45 pm
What. How. Why. Who. What hax could possibly allow this abomination to even load without any extra mods?
Post by: Tellemurius on October 08, 2017, 06:42:55 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 12, 2017, 08:41:27 pm
So now people can rest easy and not have to delete it over and over.
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22125/files#diff-66f11ef8375a40440ecbf83595784c34
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 12, 2017, 08:54:46 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 12, 2017, 08:55:39 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 12, 2017, 08:59:57 pm
Post by: teoleo on October 22, 2017, 12:52:53 pm
how i can run?
Post by: BigD145 on October 22, 2017, 03:17:11 pm
how find list of all command??
how i can run?
The game has internal keybindings and a help menu. All commands are there.
Post by: teoleo on October 22, 2017, 03:31:57 pm
Post by: BigD145 on October 22, 2017, 05:17:27 pm
Post by: ollobrains on October 22, 2017, 07:09:06 pm
Post by: teoleo on October 23, 2017, 11:44:15 am
is normal??
sorry, but i don't see the option for zombie spawn preference...is a old option? ( i have re-take the game after several time )
Post by: iceball3 on October 23, 2017, 12:08:19 pm
my car leaves diesel spots....Check the condition of the fuel tank or the tile it's installed in. Damaged fuel tanks tend to leak their contents.
is normal??
sorry, but i don't see the option for zombie spawn preference...is a old option? ( i have re-take the game after several time )
Post by: teoleo on October 26, 2017, 08:53:57 am
i have water and dirty rags as I can clean them?
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 26, 2017, 09:40:01 am
how can heal a npc?
i have water and dirty rags as I can clean them?
1. The e-to-examine menu on them, the "use item on" option lets you use bandages and such. If I recall, they need to be recruited as followers.
2. You need to craft a washboard and have either soap or laundry detergent. If you think that's unrealistically specific or just kinda pointless, trust me it used to be worse.
Post by: duckman on November 01, 2017, 02:35:06 am
A lot of these problems involve the start of the game and early game as well as lower tier equipment. Probably because most of the testing is done with old endgame saves that have existed for at least 3 years irl.
Post by: Random_Dragon on November 01, 2017, 10:22:25 am
Post by: Gatleos on November 01, 2017, 11:00:02 am
2. You need to craft a washboard and have either soap or laundry detergent. If you think that's unrealistically specific or just kinda pointless, trust me it used to be worse.
what
Has this been in the game for a while?
Post by: Soadreqm on November 01, 2017, 11:29:16 am
Has this been in the game for a while?https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/16396 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/16396)Whose idea was itwhy did Kevin think it was a good idea to make the player wash clothes? Does it provide a happiness bonus or something?
The pull request was opened by Night-Pryanik on April 25th, 2016. It's gone through a couple iterations since then. The main gameplay effect is that it's more difficult to obtain cloth, since everything the zombies drop is dirty, and you need rare soap to clean it. I think it's a neat idea, but the implementation is pretty bad.
You can disable the feature when generating the world, though. No reason to bother with it if you don't want to.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2017, 04:47:46 pm
The main issue I have with it is the inability to wash in bulk. As for other gameplay effects other than harder to get clean rags? Well, theres a trait that makes you unhappy while in grimy clothing, and I am under the impression due to some of the text that there is an increased infection risk in areas covered in dirty clothing.
Post by: Egan_BW on November 01, 2017, 04:49:45 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on November 01, 2017, 05:50:45 pm
Post by: Sindain on November 01, 2017, 07:24:59 pm
Unfortunately they can't do it without you but I consider followers a necessity for large scale farming/construction efforts as they can almost quarter the amount of time required to do it.
Post by: Random_Dragon on November 02, 2017, 05:14:28 am
what
Has this been in the game for a while?Whose idea was itwhy did Kevin think it was a good idea to make the player wash clothes? Does it provide a happiness bonus or something?
Yeah, I recall presenting a few objections to the idea a long time ago.
1. There is no gameplay benefit gained from this feature.
2. In my opinion it doesn't discourage the player from using zombie clothing anywhere NEAR as much as the random damage does.
3. It was if I recall mandatory when first added, with it being mod-shifted AFTER they realized this feature kinda shouldn't be forced on players.
4. Poor initial implementation, with no detergent, no practical effects like DF-style infection risk, etc.
This...sadly is the sorta thing I saw happen a lot. Night-Pryanik by now has been kinda infamous for poorly-thought-out realism-focused PRs. They usually EVENTUALLY salvage the feature, but the developers have a bad "implement now, fix later" attitude.
Post by: duckman on November 04, 2017, 10:59:25 pm
Post by: Soadreqm on November 05, 2017, 05:12:54 am
Why can't I disassemble all these reloaded rounds I keep finding in LMOE shelters? I either don't have the gun or the ammo is literally less useful than the materials that were used to make them.I would assume because there's no disassembly recipe.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 05, 2017, 01:27:29 pm
And also one reason why I really wish we had something like the Medusa revolver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medusa_Model_47_(multi_caliber_revolver)) added, or that someone would fix the screwed up caliber conversion kits.
Post by: Baffler on November 05, 2017, 09:34:31 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on November 05, 2017, 09:40:02 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on November 05, 2017, 11:55:10 pm
Thats been in for a while. Handloaded and reloaded ammunition just dont have disassembly recipes.
And no idea why. My guess is simply it's more work to add uncrafts. Or maybe they think it's somehow good for gameplay, which it isn't.
Meanwhile in CDDA modding... https://github.com/chaosvolt/cdda-arcana-mod/pull/22 (https://github.com/chaosvolt/cdda-arcana-mod/pull/22)
Post by: duckman on November 06, 2017, 12:19:54 am
Post by: Soadreqm on November 06, 2017, 04:35:56 am
And no idea why. My guess is simply it's more work to add uncrafts. Or maybe they think it's somehow good for gameplay, which it isn't.I'm pretty sure it's just because nobody's gotten around to adding them. That's usually the case when it comes to things like these.
You want to fix it, just fix it. Add the recipes and make a pull request.
Post by: RedKing on November 08, 2017, 01:27:14 pm
Post by: Greiger on November 08, 2017, 02:47:22 pm
From my own limited experience in the github and forums over there, it's because what bugs are there are minor and/or difficult to fix, and those who play the game semi regularly already know there is little difference between a stable release and one of the experimentals. At this point I really would consider the experimentals as the only source of the game, they are just as good as stable as often as not, and if you do encounter a major bug you can just go a few experimentals back or wait a day and usually be fine.
Post by: duckman on November 11, 2017, 12:02:30 am
Post by: azmodean on November 14, 2017, 01:49:37 am
Post by: MrWiggles on November 16, 2017, 02:29:32 am
Post by: azmodean on November 21, 2017, 01:11:54 pm
Turns out to be a good thing though, the lease on that hosting is expiring in March anyway and this got me to kick off the migration. I had no intention of self-hosting a different smf or phpbb or whatever forum, I settled on discourse a while back and I've been happy with it so far, especially since I get professional-grade hosting for free since dda is open source.
Post by: Majestic7 on December 03, 2017, 12:25:40 pm
Post by: Puzzlemaker on December 03, 2017, 02:49:49 pm
I bought Project Zomboid ages ago and only installed it for the first time now. Funny how it goes, playing it for a couple of hours made me quite and start Cataclysm instead. The reason is simply UI. Despite Cataclysm lacking graphics, things like reading books, looting containers and building stuff is just so much easier in it UI-wise. It seems that the older I get the less interest I have in wasting time with clumsy UI.
Yeah, ditto for me in regards to bad UI's. Which is why I stopped playing Dwarf Fortress... I am still waiting for Toady to abstract the interface to make it easier for third party tools. Despite that, it looks like the tools people have been using are getting better, so maybe I can jump back in again. I am hoping that he goes back to the Eternal Voting (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php#vote10) since doing that is near the top. Bleh.
Post by: King Zultan on December 03, 2017, 11:22:53 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on December 05, 2017, 04:04:58 am
Post by: Farce on December 06, 2017, 11:47:56 pm
Post by: King Zultan on December 07, 2017, 12:02:16 am
Zomboid is the only zombie game currently out right now that could potentially fulfill my dreams of allowing for a rooftop safe haven where the undead can't get you because they can't climb. I really need to check it out.You can do this but they recently changed it to were the zombies can tear down the ropes that you can use to get in to your house and make it to were you can't get back in. Ladders don't exist yet so they aren't an option yet.
Post by: nomoetoe on December 20, 2017, 02:18:10 pm
Post by: jocan2003 on December 20, 2017, 04:58:11 pm
Apparently the higher your strength stat the louder you yell, I learned this while I was playing around with debug and I had my strength stat really high, I yelled so loud that I deafened myself. Tested it a bit more to be sure. Fairly amusing.DF like feature? Thats quite funny.
Post by: SalmonGod on January 15, 2018, 04:23:04 am
Post by: Darkmere on January 15, 2018, 06:00:39 am
I think this is the longest I've ever seen quiet on the Cataclysm thread.
I wonder if people were turned off by the development drama. I wasn't a fan of a few changes long before the fork thing happened, but I don't like the sound of things from the past year or so, so I've been waiting to see how the project ends up.
Post by: King Zultan on January 15, 2018, 06:38:21 am
I wonder if people were turned off by the development drama.I know I am, I've actually thought of contributing to the game but every time I start looking at doing it, there's some drama that flares up and turns me away from even trying. I'm not sure why this game attracts so much drama.
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 15, 2018, 12:33:27 pm
Then the two of us got into an argument over something rather inane, we both handled it with our usual (mutual lack of) maturity, and it spilled over until Darkling himself (a former dev that'd been around as long as Kevin) quit the server.
Post by: kulik on January 16, 2018, 02:17:24 am
Post by: Robsoie on January 16, 2018, 01:42:26 pm
https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/limited-world-size/14616
There are builds for those wanting to test , though 64bits only :
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22718
Post by: Cheedows on January 16, 2018, 07:16:03 pm
Post by: Android on January 17, 2018, 10:32:55 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on January 18, 2018, 12:06:25 am
Post by: pisskop on January 18, 2018, 07:12:12 pm
fast healer is good but by no means op.
stylish is arguably op, as is spiritual. and gourmand.
Post by: Lukewarm on January 18, 2018, 09:16:19 pm
But I might just be bitter about ending half my runs quickly because I get an an infection trying to work my way into town.
Post by: scriver on January 19, 2018, 11:19:00 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 19, 2018, 12:08:33 pm
Personally I haven't downloaded any version of this since before the split, and I am probably not going to download either of the new versions, because I am not sure which one to download.
I'd say wait until Coolthulhu's patch has been updated, then pick and choose whichever.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 19, 2018, 12:11:25 pm
Post by: Robsoie on January 19, 2018, 08:37:02 pm
https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN/releases
From what i read on that github project, the changes of this fork are (it was from the end of august from last year, and i have no idea how much the main CDDA branch evolved since then or if those fork changes are now part of the main CDDA too)
Quote
Make ranged math normal again
Fix broken, mending, limbs re-breaking on non-damaging hits
Fix jacks not working at range
Add mod that disables painkiller requirements for CBMs (by BrettDong)
Fix vehicle cache debugmsg spam
Buff UPS charger (drop the 10x cost multiplier to 2x), allow setting multiplier in json
Fix zlaves and pets not following
Add stripped-down version of tungn's No Silly Items mod. Unlike the full version, it doesn't blacklist any guns, as most of those are covered by No Fictional Weapons mod.
Post by: Baffler on January 20, 2018, 03:17:32 pm
Also, does anyone know if I can give my companions mutagen/serum? I'm approaching the late-game and want a project. I already got myself over the threshhold and I'm in a position to make more mutagen (triffids, a giant zombie infested city, and a blob crater are all relatively close by but I've completely subjugated the medium-sized island I've been living off of) but it's a lot of work for something that I'm not sure is even possible.
Post by: teoleo on January 21, 2018, 05:34:56 am
link for all the branch please...
Post by: zaimoni on January 21, 2018, 11:40:47 am
https://github.com/chaosvolt/cdda-arcana-mod
https://github.com/Coolthulhu/Cataclysm-DDA/releases
Post by: anexiledone on January 21, 2018, 02:43:43 pm
Most of those are in the main branch experimental now, though I can't speak to the rebalances. What advantage does Coolthulhu's branch even have over the main one?
Also, does anyone know if I can give my companions mutagen/serum? I'm approaching the late-game and want a project. I already got myself over the threshhold and I'm in a position to make more mutagen (triffids, a giant zombie infested city, and a blob crater are all relatively close by but I've completely subjugated the medium-sized island I've been living off of) but it's a lot of work for something that I'm not sure is even possible.
The only real worthy change to me is fixing the ranged weapon issue.
Post by: Farce on January 21, 2018, 08:27:44 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on January 22, 2018, 01:58:49 am
Post by: anexiledone on January 26, 2018, 12:42:13 pm
What's up with ranged weapons now?
All weapons have a minimum dispersion of 45 now. Basically guns becomes exponentially useless after short range
Post by: n9103 on January 26, 2018, 04:39:12 pm
45 seems a bit much even for pistols and buckshot.
Welp, looks like I'm not going to be picking this one back up anytime soon.
Post by: Cheedows on January 26, 2018, 05:53:51 pm
Post by: Robsoie on January 26, 2018, 06:45:12 pm
Post by: duckman on January 26, 2018, 07:20:25 pm
What's with all the different forks now, like other people said makes it a bit confusing on which one to pick up if we want to give an experimental a whirl.A number of unpopular/controversial and untested design decisions over the past year-and-a-half or so was the start of it.
Post by: King Zultan on January 27, 2018, 06:47:54 am
Also I wish they never messed with the overmap specials, you know the thing where there can only be 72 mandatory specials per overmap it's just annoying and they said on github that they could increase the number but I haven't see that they have.
Post by: Aseaheru on January 27, 2018, 02:09:58 pm
Post by: Damiac on January 28, 2018, 10:01:50 am
I know the politics have gotten nasty from time to time.
Post by: zaimoni on January 28, 2018, 12:06:24 pm
Post by: Skeeblix on January 28, 2018, 04:17:52 pm
Post by: iceball3 on January 28, 2018, 10:22:48 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 29, 2018, 12:59:00 am
I know insofar as much that grenade probably wouldn't openly decry the likes of cthulhu's fork due to the hypocrisy involved, but has at least once or twice dove into CDDA forum discussion threads and plucked out posts on grounds of being "irrelevant" because they mentioned the fork.
This. I would definitely consider that a thinly-veiled hint of animosity. It really says something that Coolthulhu had, back when I was a forumite on there, expressed exasperation with some of Kevin's actions. At one point he got to the point of saying "I don't know why I bother anymore" or something along those lines, back when Kevin nixed a legit bugfix for some stupid reason.
Post by: SalmonGod on January 29, 2018, 01:57:15 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 29, 2018, 02:18:51 am
Post by: SalmonGod on January 29, 2018, 02:21:52 am
Post by: iceball3 on January 29, 2018, 02:29:04 am
Post by: ollobrains on January 29, 2018, 03:44:50 am
Post by: vastaghen12 on January 29, 2018, 09:49:05 am
Has anyone thought to recombine some of the best parts of the forks and get the project movign again or is it kinda just many forks now doing their own thing
Coolthulhu kept his fork up-to-date with the main fork, he just excluded a few things he believed ruined good game play. Which until now was removing the painkiller requirement for bionic installation and the ranged rebalance.
Problem is that Coolthulhu has been offline since late november, so the fork has fallen out of date.
Post by: George_Chickens on January 29, 2018, 01:52:22 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 29, 2018, 07:01:41 pm
> half-asses a "realism" change
> pointedly declares they'll do the other half of said half-assed change in another PR
> undersells the gameplay loss of what the full ass will inflict on players
Post by: Aseaheru on January 29, 2018, 08:11:15 pm
"Ya know that cotton is a plant fiber, yes?"
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 29, 2018, 08:12:45 pm
"You cant make things that are made of cotton out of plant fiber"
"Ya know that cotton is a plant fiber, yes?"
Never forget: "new material: bean"
Post by: Rince Wind on January 29, 2018, 08:17:16 pm
Plus sometimes PRs, not just by devs but contributors, go like this one: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22822 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22822)
> half-asses a "realism" change
> pointedly declares they'll do the other half of said half-assed change in another PR
> undersells the gameplay loss of what the full ass will inflict on players
I wonder how many of those are left by now. I used to love CDDA, but by now I guess I just love the idea, or what it could have been.
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 29, 2018, 08:58:18 pm
EDIT: And Kevin merged it. In favor of some nonsense like processing plant fiber into thread. There...there is no sane reason you would add a feature like that. Only if there wasn't a 1-to-1 ratio between plant fiber and thread. Increasing thread by making fibers thinner sure as fuck isn't gonna happen because that would benefit the player, while a reduction would be just STELLAR because plant fiber is already stupidly rare.
Note that you can still make rags out of plant fiber or sinew. So now it's both "realistic" and inconsistent.
Post by: King Zultan on January 30, 2018, 05:31:00 am
It added the OBSTACLE flag to the shopping cart basket part as a way to get rid of the "portable difficult terrain" thing, you know were you use it to kite the zombies. But, it did not touch things like the wheelbarrow or swivel chair but those may come in the future.
Then some one made the mistake of saying "hell why not just add the OBSTACLE flag to all cargos" and Keven saw it and said this.
Quote from: kevingranade
This:Quotewhy not just add the OBSTACLE flag to all cargosIs a great idea.
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 30, 2018, 08:01:05 am
But, it did not touch things like the wheelbarrow or swivel chair but those may come in the future.
Ah yes. Gotta half-ass those "realism" changes or it just won't feel right!
Post by: IronTomato on January 30, 2018, 01:21:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KG4ABmo2NI"You cant make things that are made of cotton out of plant fiber"
"Ya know that cotton is a plant fiber, yes?"
Never forget: "new material: bean"
Post by: iceball3 on January 30, 2018, 05:34:51 pm
This PR went out recently: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22791 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22791)I'm calling it: he's going to accidentally add OBSTACLE to seat. and boxes, which means you can't get to the passenger seat from the driver seat of a truck, even if normal seats are left safe.
It added the OBSTACLE flag to the shopping cart basket part as a way to get rid of the "portable difficult terrain" thing, you know were you use it to kite the zombies. But, it did not touch things like the wheelbarrow or swivel chair but those may come in the future.
Then some one made the mistake of saying "hell why not just add the OBSTACLE flag to all cargos" and Keven saw it and said this.Quote from: kevingranadeThis:Quotewhy not just add the OBSTACLE flag to all cargosIs a great idea.
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 30, 2018, 05:36:25 pm
I'm calling it: he's going to accidentally add OBSTACLE to seat. and boxes, which means you can't get to the passenger seat from the driver seat of a truck, even if normal seats are left safe.
> accidentally
Post by: anexiledone on January 30, 2018, 06:22:32 pm
It's like we get one realism change, then people complain it made things too easy, so we get a change that makes things completely unrealistic, then the cycle repeats.
The dispersion started because we needed a more realistic aiming system (why I have no idea), this meant with enough time even an unskilled shooter could line up a shot. Just like real life. Then there were complaints about how there's no point in skills anymore, so they tried mucking with the weapon stats and ammo rather than the broken aiming system they had in place.
Or the issue with shopping carts being used as a means to slow down zombies in combat. Rather than go "Wait a minute.. shopping carts are usually made of some form of plastic or shit metal, we should make them really weak and easy to destroy!" they go with "Shopping carts are objects of such engineering that you can only go around them!"
The community screaming realism!!! while disregarding realism is the current problem. Real life is not balanced. You can't demand realism AND balanced gameplay.
Post by: duckman on January 30, 2018, 06:58:23 pm
I dislike the gameyness of the approach of a lot of recent changes.It's not people screaming about realism, it's people demanding a "real challenge" and misidentifying it as the game not being realistic enough.
It's like we get one realism change, then people complain it made things too easy, so we get a change that makes things completely unrealistic, then the cycle repeats.
The dispersion started because we needed a more realistic aiming system (why I have no idea), this meant with enough time even an unskilled shooter could line up a shot. Just like real life. Then there were complaints about how there's no point in skills anymore, so they tried mucking with the weapon stats and ammo rather than the broken aiming system they had in place.
Or the issue with shopping carts being used as a means to slow down zombies in combat. Rather than go "Wait a minute.. shopping carts are usually made of some form of plastic or shit metal, we should make them really weak and easy to destroy!" they go with "Shopping carts are objects of such engineering that you can only go around them!"
The community screaming realism!!! while disregarding realism is the current problem. Real life is not balanced. You can't demand realism AND balanced gameplay.
Post by: Darkmere on January 30, 2018, 07:09:21 pm
Post by: Gunner-Chan on January 30, 2018, 08:30:16 pm
Anyone have any links or version numbers or... Anything? This all sounds like a headache to trawl through.
Post by: iceball3 on January 30, 2018, 08:52:26 pm
So what and where is exactly the not shitty and actually fun way to play this now? I keep thinking of getting back to this game only to run into how the devteam seems to have turned awful.https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN/releases
Anyone have any links or version numbers or... Anything? This all sounds like a headache to trawl through.
Here's coolthulhu's stuff. It may be a little bit outdated currently, but if avoiding obnoxious dev drama and related changes is the goal, it seems to be a good first bet.
Post by: Random_Dragon on January 31, 2018, 01:16:11 am
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/166715641812746243/407672390349357056/unknown.png)
That's a tank shell from said tank's main gun, impacting the quarterpanels and exploding inside the turret.
Post by: Robsoie on February 04, 2018, 05:52:21 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/fxZYYi3m.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/fxZYYi3.gif)
While latest main branch "experimental" version work without trouble :
(https://i.imgur.com/GXbr0itm.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/GXbr0it.gif)
(As it had worked near of a couple of year ago , last time i played the game)
edit : additionally when toying with the main experimental, i noticed when creating a world in the core mod there's the dark day ahead pack and a "bright night" pack by Coolthulhu, and as Coolthulhu fork is titled "Bright Night", i wonder is this core pack actually contain what is in his fork or is it something else ?
It's been so long i haven't played that game i have no idea what's new or changed.
Post by: ollobrains on February 06, 2018, 02:48:38 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 06, 2018, 12:23:49 pm
Post by: LordPorkins on February 06, 2018, 12:39:09 pm
...Truly, my best death yet.
Post by: Robsoie on February 06, 2018, 02:05:55 pm
I decided to make my "base" in a house that is not far from a river (and away from swamps as i still remember (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121194.msg4626828;topicseen#msg4626828) the hell it was) for my water needs, i boarded up some windows after fetching enough 4x4 and nails so i could sleep without a window giving a visual of my presence in the house to potential wandering things.
Things seemed to start getting okay, i gathered some food from expeditions into the town but i got some nasty encounter in a couple of houses and i'm now in a bit of a predicament, even if i managed to get some armor vest that blocked effectively several zombies attempts to eat my torso, i was less lucky with my legs.
And my guy has the legs gone infected as i forgot to cauterize it before the infection started.
So i'm now looking for antibiotics, the major problem is that on the visible (in the map) part of the town, i see no pharmacy, hospital or anything that could be an obvious source of them.
I hope i'll find some in some of the not yet visited houses before it's too late.
Post by: King Zultan on February 07, 2018, 12:28:38 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 07, 2018, 01:51:53 am
If you can get a first aid kit, you can use it to get rid of the infection.
This. Given antibiotics aren't used in the recipe, it seems to be a long-standing bug. Right up there with disinfectant healing way more health than bandages.
Also, that reminds me. Recently I've been working on a mod that adds onto More Survival Tools and Boatmod: https://github.com/chaosvolt/MST_Extra_Mod (https://github.com/chaosvolt/MST_Extra_Mod)
Post by: zaimoni on February 07, 2018, 10:31:31 am
edit : additionally when toying with the main experimental, i noticed when creating a world in the core mod there's the dark day ahead pack and a "bright night" pack by Coolthulhu, and as Coolthulhu fork is titled "Bright Night", i wonder is this core pack actually contain what is in his fork or is it something else ?Commentary on reddit says...vastly reduced scope and/or something else. Decision for same naming was on IRC.
Post by: Robsoie on February 07, 2018, 01:30:53 pm
I didn't knew first aid kit had antibiotics , though it unfortunately does not change what happened today to my unfortunate character that was in terrible pain as i didn't found any so far anyways :)
While exploring a bit further in the evening (hoping to use the loss of line of sight to my own advantage) in order to see if i could spot a pharmacy or find some antibiotic in a house, i ran into a large amount of zombies in the streets according to the many "?" i was spotting around , i decided then to run into the very close gun store (that along a possible pharmacy was one of my target) as i was still having no rifle or gun (but i had several pack of various ammo from several house underground looting).
This was actually a bad idea, as the gun store was surprisingly filled with more undead, and instead of logically run away i made the mistake of insisting in trying to at least pick a working gun, sadly when i finally found one that i had corresponding ammo, it was time for both the lots of zombies of outside joining force with the lots of zombies inside
And surrounded without hope it was the end
Quote
Final Messages:
22:33 The zombie hits your eyes.
22:33 Your head is bitten, but your armor protects you.
22:33 The zombie lunges forward attempting to bite you!
22:33 Your head is bitten, but your armor protects you.
22:33 The zombie lunges forward attempting to bite you!
22:33 The zombie hits your right arm.
At least he managed to take out 48 undead in that run, hopefully one of my next character will spawn around there and will be able to resume my base building in better conditions.
Post by: Kaitol on February 12, 2018, 02:41:42 am
Post by: DoomOnion on February 12, 2018, 02:59:55 am
What should I listen to? I mean, let's just put aside this idiotic internet power struggle between developers. I'm just an end user. I want to play this game. I like this game.
What's going on?
Post by: Culise on February 12, 2018, 04:10:32 am
Just, uh, keep a back-up of the last build you have that you know you enjoyed, just in case. I don't think I did; I just checked, and the only two builds are from November 2017 and December 2016, which means the August kerfluffle is included in the former and a half-year of development is lost in the latter. I also don't know when this whole mess really began; I didn't catch it until it spilled over here.
Post by: Greiger on February 12, 2018, 04:38:29 am
For example, and since it was mentioned before, so there's no risk of ruining someone's fun, the minimum inaccuracy of half a degree is something I would likely not have noticed if I didn't know about it. I would have just assumed I needed a more accurate gun or more skill to fire a gun accurately past a few tiles. But because I know about it I now know that no amount of skill or gun mods will make my character able to hit a zombie at more than a few dozen meters.
While it may not actually be true, the idea of it makes it seem like a Barrett M90 is no more likely to hit a zombie at 30 tiles than a flintlock pistol. There just seems to no longer be any incentive to seek better guns. Yea you can find a gun with a longer max range, but you are still not going to hit anything past 10 tiles.
It's vaguely like how I still play Nintendo games. I like the games themselves for the most part, but their youtube douchebaggery is always in the back of my mind and ruins some of the fun. The idea that someone who was making meaningful contributions to Cataclysm was essentially banned simply for trying to explain themselves when asked, and did so repeatedly in different ways when asked to reexplain, before finally getting rightfully exasperated when the person with the banhammer seemingly willfully refused to understand, sours the whole experience. I'm pretty sure my calling it out as shitty on the github is the most upvoted thing I had on any message board ever.
Post by: Robsoie on February 12, 2018, 08:50:58 am
What should I listen to? I mean, let's just put aside this idiotic internet power struggle between developers. I'm just an end user. I want to play this game. I like this game.
What's going on?
Thanks to the download being small the solution to your problem is rather simple actually, in a similar way to Dwarf Fortress you can download the latest experimental and see if you like what you're playing after a while or if you're not enjoying the current game status.
In the case you don't like it, fortunately you can go back to an older version you had prefered, or try one of the forks if they're not abandonned (as the latest fork the Coolthulhu one seems to not have been updated since several months).
Post by: BigD145 on February 12, 2018, 03:21:43 pm
In the case you don't like it, fortunately you can go back to an older version you had prefered, or try one of the forks if they're not abandonned (as the latest fork the Coolthulhu one seems to not have been updated since several months).
The lack of an update from coolthulhu may just mean absolutely nothing worth updating has been going on in the main fork in months.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 12, 2018, 03:48:29 pm
The idea that someone who was making meaningful contributions to Cataclysm was essentially banned simply for trying to explain themselves when asked, and did so repeatedly in different ways when asked to reexplain, before finally getting rightfully exasperated when the person with the banhammer seemingly willfully refused to understand, sours the whole experience. I'm pretty sure my calling it out as shitty on the github is the most upvoted thing I had on any message board ever.
Ah I remember hearing about that, yeah. Seeing them get banned for that mess honestly pissed me off more than my own banning. I readily admit I tend to be just as abrasive as Kevin, even if what had been the final straw back then was rather trivial compared to prior arguments. But they never seemed anywhere near as bad as I was. Honestly if it'd been me, I would've given up on the PR and mouthed off at Kevin rather quickly.
EDIT: Oh hey, I just discovered a brand new flavor of moronic added to this game. Now you can't split trunks into logs or planks using a stone, copper, or makeshift axe. You know, shit you'd use instead of a wood axe because you're innawoods? Where the trees are? Where you're gonna be wanting the USE all those fucking trees you can cut down but can't make into anything useful?
What the fuck is wrong with the devs these days...
Post by: King Zultan on February 13, 2018, 03:34:14 am
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22897 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22897)
Post by: George_Chickens on February 13, 2018, 12:28:16 pm
Post by: Soadreqm on February 13, 2018, 01:38:37 pm
What should I listen to? I mean, let's just put aside this idiotic internet power struggle between developers. I'm just an end user. I want to play this game. I like this game.Download the game and play it. While playing, consider whether you are having fun.
This isn't minecart surgery.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 13, 2018, 01:42:20 pm
The fuck? Who was banned? I keep hearing of it, but never a name.
The one Greiger was referring to would be DangerNoodle, the author of Mining Mod.
In addition I was as well, a LOT longer ago. Unlike with the other person, I was legit an asshole.
Post by: Vivalas on February 13, 2018, 04:56:35 pm
Post by: azmodean on February 21, 2018, 10:58:01 pm
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if I remember right was something Kevin was opposed to having put in, but was something Coolthulhu put in his branch.I was opposed to a specific change that would also have prevented reset limb mending in specific scenarios where it needed to be reset. I recommended preventing it from hallucination damage at the time, but no one got around to it for about a year.
but it seems the forums have gone really quiet recently,Do you mean B12 forums or the DDA forums? DDA forums have moved to https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ (hosting crap, no drama there) so that might be a source of confusion.
Post by: AVE on February 22, 2018, 06:16:40 am
I'm unapologetically opinionated about how things should work in my game.Is it? I was thinking that CDDA is a community project and that it was picked up (mostly) by the bay12 community after Whales abandoned it.
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 22, 2018, 07:11:58 am
Post by: DoomOnion on February 22, 2018, 07:57:10 am
Do you mean B12 forums or the DDA forums?
I meant B12 forums. A lot of the oldies just packed up and moved on I think.
You could have put things a lot more tactfully, but eh, we all have our weaknesses. Aside from that, that's a fair point.
Whether Cata is or should be your game or not is something up for debate, it seems, one that I am not going to comment on.
One thing I can say is that you seem to have a clear vision for where the game will head, best of luck with that. A project needs a clear goal after all.
Post by: ZeroGravitas on February 22, 2018, 09:39:53 am
i havent played cdda in like a couple years but wasn't there some kind of stress stat? the sort of thing that increased from killing child zombies and being out in the rain?
use that - or something like it - to make it more stressful to do the close range stuff, like kiting zombies with a pistol or otherwise firing at close range, with stress decreasing accuracy.
also i don't remember but didn't you need to hold still and aim for a turn before firing? ie if you had just moved, accuracy was lower?
the long range stuff, like sniping zombies from range, should be effective but require more skills?
it's too bad that people can't discuss solutions and issues without becoming so dramatic
Post by: azmodean on February 22, 2018, 01:24:29 pm
Is it? I was thinking that CDDA is a community project and that it was picked up (mostly) by the bay12 community after Whales abandoned it.Yes, it is. DarklingWolf, GlyphGryph and myself founded the dda project about 5 years ago.
DarklingWolf lost interest and wandered off after about half a year (as you can clearly see on github (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/commits?author=TheDarklingWolf).
GlyphGryph stuck around longer, but he was never focused that much on the code side of things, as you can see also on github (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/commits?author=GlyphGryph) and eventually he lost interest as well.
So for the past 4 years I've been the sole owner of the project. If that doesn't qualify me to call it "my" game I don't know what would.
You could have put things a lot more tactfully, but eh, we all have our weaknesses. Aside from that, that's a fair point.I'm not trying to start anything, but I'd like to know for my own reference what I posted that was lacking in tact?
seems to me that it shouldn't be the guns that are inaccurate, it should be the character in contextThe question is, do we exaggerate the degree to which guns contribute to inaccuracy, or do we remove accuracy of guns as a differentiator? While it might be jarring for a "perfect shot" with a Glock 19 to miss at 30 squares, it's even more jarring IMO for a handgun and a sniper rifle to have equivalent accuracy. You might disagree and say that dda is a short-range game, and rifles just aren't that much better than pistols in that situation, but that outcome seems to be really strange to me.
i havent played cdda in like a couple years but wasn't there some kind of stress stat? the sort of thing that increased from killing child zombies and being out in the rain?There is not a stat for "grit", you stop caring about killing child zombies and similar specific things, but there's not an overall stat for it.
use that - or something like it - to make it more stressful to do the close range stuff, like kiting zombies with a pistol or otherwise firing at close range, with stress decreasing accuracy.I think something like this would improve things a lot, but I'm not sure what that would look like offhand.
also i don't remember but didn't you need to hold still and aim for a turn before firing? ie if you had just moved, accuracy was lower?Yes, that's actually been expanded a lot, you spend time aiming and get a lot of feedback about what it's doing to your chances to hit. I think this is what triggered a lot of the complaints, because now players are getting feedback about their chances, whereas before it took taking a bunch of shots and guesswork to figure out how likely they were to hit, so it wasn't as obvious a problem.
the long range stuff, like sniping zombies from range, should be effective but require more skills?That naturally happens with the current system, up close you can tolerate a lot of inaccuracy (bad gun/ammo, low skills, low stats, not aiming much), but to make distant shots you have to eliminate all the sources of inaccuracy, and just one or two can severely limit your effective range.
it's too bad that people can't discuss solutions and issues without becoming so dramaticAgreed. Honestly I'd settle for productive discussion AND drama, but usually it's just the drama :/
Post by: azmodean on February 22, 2018, 01:26:20 pm
Is it? I was thinking that CDDA is a community project and that it was picked up (mostly) by the bay12 community after Whales abandoned it.Yes, it is. DarklingWolf, GlyphGryph and myself founded the dda project about 5 years ago.
DarklingWolf lost interest and wandered off after about half a year (as you can clearly see on github (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/commits?author=TheDarklingWolf).
GlyphGryph stuck around longer, but he was never focused that much on the code side of things, as you can see also on github (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/commits?author=GlyphGryph) and eventually he lost interest as well.
So for the past 4 years I've been the sole owner of the project. If that doesn't qualify me to call it "my" game I don't know what would.
You could have put things a lot more tactfully, but eh, we all have our weaknesses. Aside from that, that's a fair point.I'm not trying to start anything, but I'd like to know for my own reference what I posted that was lacking in tact?
seems to me that it shouldn't be the guns that are inaccurate, it should be the character in contextThe question is, do we exaggerate the degree to which guns contribute to inaccuracy, or do we remove accuracy of guns as a differentiator? While it might be jarring for a "perfect shot" with a Glock 19 to miss at 30 squares, it's even more jarring IMO for a handgun and a sniper rifle to have equivalent accuracy. You might disagree and say that dda is a short-range game, and rifles just aren't that much better than pistols in that situation, but that outcome seems to be really strange to me.
Long-term, I have some ideas for extending maximum gun range, but short term there has to be some kind of pretty gross compromise.
i havent played cdda in like a couple years but wasn't there some kind of stress stat? the sort of thing that increased from killing child zombies and being out in the rain?There is not a stat for "grit", you stop caring about killing child zombies and similar specific things, but there's not an overall stat for it.
use that - or something like it - to make it more stressful to do the close range stuff, like kiting zombies with a pistol or otherwise firing at close range, with stress decreasing accuracy.I think something like this would improve things a lot, but I'm not sure what that would look like offhand.
also i don't remember but didn't you need to hold still and aim for a turn before firing? ie if you had just moved, accuracy was lower?Yes, that's actually been expanded a lot, you spend time aiming and get a lot of feedback about what it's doing to your chances to hit. I think this is what triggered a lot of the complaints, because now players are getting feedback about their chances, whereas before it took taking a bunch of shots and guesswork to figure out how likely they were to hit, so it wasn't as obvious a problem.
the long range stuff, like sniping zombies from range, should be effective but require more skills?That naturally happens with the current system, up close you can tolerate a lot of inaccuracy (bad gun/ammo, low skills, low stats, not aiming much), but to make distant shots you have to eliminate all the sources of inaccuracy, and just one or two can severely limit your effective range.
it's too bad that people can't discuss solutions and issues without becoming so dramaticAgreed. Honestly I'd settle for productive discussion AND drama, but usually it's just the drama :/
Post by: Robsoie on February 22, 2018, 02:04:18 pm
I mean in a similar way to those development arcs Toady has for DF ?
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 22, 2018, 02:04:52 pm
So for the past 4 years I've been the sole owner of the project. If that doesn't qualify me to call it "my" game I don't know what would.
You wouldn't have much of a game if not for all the contributors you take for granted. And developers for that matter. Why do you think Coolthulhu has a fork dedicated to implementing things you disagree with, and seems to argue with your development decisions quite a few times?
Post by: azmodean on February 22, 2018, 02:27:53 pm
Is there some planned feature future development for cdda ?Other than what's scattered all over the forums and issue tracker, no.
I mean in a similar way to those development arcs Toady has for DF ?
I've been trying to assemble a bit of that kind of thing here: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/projects but it's not enough content to be usable.
Post by: Robsoie on February 22, 2018, 02:33:17 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 22, 2018, 02:36:42 pm
Yes, I have some reservations when it comes to a couple features that I and most of the people I am in regular contact with find less then fun, but that is a bit of a pale shadow to the community that you and your fellow developers have fostered.
As of late, I feel like this community is falling apart, but I am by no means an expert or a contribute, and I have not paid much attention to the game these last six months due to my wavering interest; From the discussion that I have heard, it seems that you have fallen for the trap of Realism versus Immersion, now I don't know anything or wish to know something about this drama since I am too busy writing as a hobby and meming on discord, but maybe It's time to consider if having a game limited by the woes of hardware, UI, and Graphics be realistic according to an often impossible goal of emulating reality, or being immersive. Immersive being a game that follows coherent rules and guidelines that make sense in the games own perception.
One example I can come up with is Shadowrun table-top games; They have an absolutely amazing feel and atmosphere along with actual mechanical flaws that mirror the Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead flaws. At times, it feels like they left a bunch of writers in a room that never talked to each other and told them to go nuts. Each writer wrote lore and mechanics that often, unknowingly, conflicted with a future persons work. And at times, the mechanics and lore they wrote are either esoteric, do not fit into the book they wrote for, or directly diverged from established canon.
I don't know if this example is actually prevalent or not, but I feel like the angle your going for in game mechanics does not fit parts or even the majority of the playerbase. I feel like this is all caused by the lack of concrete guidelines for how a developer may contribute to the game itself. Perhaps the existing guidelines should be pushed more strictly?
Regardless, I am very much impressed that you went to the place where practically everyone has disdain for your work and revealed your presence for... I'm not sure what, but impressive anyways.
Post by: Egan_BW on February 22, 2018, 08:06:45 pm
The question is, do we exaggerate the degree to which guns contribute to inaccuracy, or do we remove accuracy of guns as a differentiator? While it might be jarring for a "perfect shot" with a Glock 19 to miss at 30 squares, it's even more jarring IMO for a handgun and a sniper rifle to have equivalent accuracy. You might disagree and say that dda is a short-range game, and rifles just aren't that much better than pistols in that situation, but that outcome seems to be really strange to me.I wouldn't really mind if they were the same in terms of accuracy. CDDA is more of a survival game than a shooting game anyway, and damage done is enough to differentiate between guns. I guess if you wanted to make pistols not obsolete you could make them aim faster at really close range or something.
Long-term, I have some ideas for extending maximum gun range, but short term there has to be some kind of pretty gross compromise.
In most FPS games pistols are fairly accurate out to the ranges you'd almost always be fighting at, so you're not really subverting people's expectations either.
Post by: duckman on February 23, 2018, 02:10:58 am
My personal peeve is still that completely useless Kel-tec KSG volume adjustment by kolsurma that didn't even do what it said it was trying to do. It increases the final volume of the gun by 0.01 liters, so that did an excellent job of not making it so the "KSG second barrel and primary now show same stats" unless a change was made elsewhere since then to make it work.
Post by: azmodean on February 23, 2018, 12:06:29 pm
Then as we incrementally add features to increase engagement ranges they act as buffs to long range capable weapons.
That's what I want to do in the first place, but I talked myself into other issues being important enough to require compromising.
We'll see, might just do this.
And yes, "community falling apart" is kind of ridiculous, there is still very healthy discussion and development happening on github, and plenty of engagement on the forums, and now it's spidering out to a bunch of other places (Discord servers, reddit, etc).
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 23, 2018, 12:24:13 pm
Personally, my opinion is that the game should somewhat follow what someone would expect to happen in relation to firearms;
Pistols should be able to fast and easily lock onto close targets at the expense of being less then easy to use in longer ranges.
Automatics that cannot be classified as a rifle nor a pistol should firmly be in the middle range; not quite easily usable in close ranges and not quite accurate as maybe even a pistol, but able to put rounds down range.
Rifles should be the be-all end all for long range engagements, but are unwieldy in super close environs and fast moving targets.
Grenades, grenade launchers, rockets should be overkill, and are gods fist.
Crossbows should be equivalent to rifles at the expense of taking time to use.
Bows should be equivalent to pistols in terms of functionality unless it is some kind of war bow that only a dude with trashcans for arms can use. Think an elf who sends a dozen arrows down range before fleeing and repeating.
Shotguns of course, are the pistols big brother in terms of low-medium engagements, but buckshot should still be able to ping or spatter combatants in long ranges. The best option for taking down unarmored targets.
When I say short range I mean 1-7~ tiles away from the player, or maybe close enough that the tile would be in view with default screen resolutions if they weren't (L)ooking. Medium range should be around 5-8 tiles away from the default ranges, and long range is anywhere from the border of see able conditions all the way down to the 10 tiles away from default graphics showing.
sticking to real-life accuracy rules in a game where one square varies in its actual size is a bit silly (Tankbots and racoons both take one slot). If we take the more "gamey" approach of sticking to stereotypes in terms of accuracy and fall of ranges, I feel like the game would be funner to play because it allows a little bit of progression. Most of the time, accuracy in real life comes with repeated use. Personally, I have found that in range conditions, your accuracy increase as you fire hundreds and hundreds of rounds in practice, as you gain proficiency and familiarity with the fire arm. I will hate this system if it were transplanted into Cataclysm DDA. I would rather favor a more materialistic approach, where items equal power, and skills are a little bit secondary to that.
Bear in mind that I have not actually played the game in sixth months, so I may actually be pulling most of this nonsense out of my ass instead of experience.
Post by: Gentlefish on February 23, 2018, 01:49:44 pm
Now I'm sure this has been discussed, but how much work would it take to have an "effective range" tied to each gun and modified by stats to increase at both spectrums (min and max range)? Rifles should not be accurate at all in close range like shotguns or pistols, but they should outshine them at a distance.
...Heck, I think I smell a summer project if I can ever demystify the codebase.
Post by: azmodean on February 23, 2018, 04:32:44 pm
I'm glad to hear the community is still healthy, and super excited that this thread picked back up! I was worried ol' B12 got abandoned.Honestly the issue is that this thread got toxic and I was avoiding it, but when I saw a potential new player asking about it, I couldn't leave them hanging without at least trying to clear the air.
Now I'm sure this has been discussed, but how much work would it take to have an "effective range" tied to each gun and modified by stats to increase at both spectrums (min and max range)? Rifles should not be accurate at all in close range like shotguns or pistols, but they should outshine them at a distance.Except for the fact that it's inverted, that's basically how it works. Guns have a number (dispersion) that says what their maximum deflection is when fired from a bench, and player deficiencies like low skill just add to that. This number is a bit more nuanced than "max range" because your chance to hit decays as distance increases, but you can still calculate something like, "maximum range that guarantees a hit", or even "range where player has 70% chance to hit".
Specifically concerning "fast and short ranged" vs "slow and long ranged" weapons, this is my proposal: https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/breaking-the-more-accurate-weapons-are-always-better-disfunction/14067
If you want to look into it, take a look at this PR: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/22756 and this issue: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/22753 for the current state of development. The PR isn't mergeable and doesn't do the right thing in general, but what it does do is compile some "effective range" stats for various weapons that we can use as goals.
Post by: Damiac on February 26, 2018, 03:57:55 pm
I mean, I get what you're saying, to a point. The reality bubble is so small even a small handgun can hit easily at max range if you use real life stats. That makes more accurate guns rather pointless.
But scaling based on the most accurate gun in the game at max range, then scaling down from there, is just grading the guns on a curve. Why does the existence of super duper sniper rifle +accuracy 100 make my glock pistol not able to hit at an arms length? You're trading one supposed problem (I've never heard anyone complain about it, but whatever) for a new problem (And lots of people seem to agree the new behavior is much worse)
So, good for you that you can keep cata:dda going the way you want, but honestly it sounds like the way you want to go (And the way you've been pushing for a long time) is toward stuff like this, things that nobody except you considers a problem. And hell, it's your project, go nuts! But I think most of the people here, at least the ones discussing this lately, really are more interested in fun over realism. The guns felt fine before, pistols worked at shortish ranges, rifles longer, I just don't see the problem there. Filthy clothing, just uglied up the game and for some reason it's so hard to wash!
To tell the truth, what I want is the same cataclysm from a year ago (or 3) but with all the little quality of life fixes, changes, and so on. But none of the 'realistic' vehicle stuff (cranes and such), none of the realistic gun stuff, no filthy clothes stuff, etc. But I'm just a lazy jerk who posts what he wants in a thread.
I guess if developers have completely different goals for this project, then it only makes sense to branch off, rather than trying to push the same project in different directions. I just want to put it out there that there's a lot of people who don't care much about 'realism' as long as things are internally consistent enough to be logical, so maybe the devs that prefer that direction need to branch out.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 26, 2018, 04:22:09 pm
To tell the truth, what I want is the same cataclysm from a year ago (or 3) but with all the little quality of life fixes, changes, and so on. But none of the 'realistic' vehicle stuff (cranes and such), none of the realistic gun stuff, no filthy clothes stuff, etc. But I'm just a lazy jerk who posts what he wants in a thread.
A good chunk of the community would agree with you. Fucks sake even many of the devs would agree.
Post by: Darkmere on February 26, 2018, 05:54:23 pm
To tell the truth, what I want is the same cataclysm from a year ago (or 3) but with all the little quality of life fixes, changes, and so on. But none of the 'realistic' vehicle stuff (cranes and such), none of the realistic gun stuff, no filthy clothes stuff, etc. But I'm just a lazy jerk who posts what he wants in a thread.
A good chunk of the community would agree with you. Fucks sake even many of the devs would agree.
Pretty much what I want. I completely lost interest when we went for masturbatory realism over immersiveness and fun.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on February 26, 2018, 06:11:01 pm
Post by: Robsoie on February 26, 2018, 06:29:31 pm
But if the current goal is full realism, it's obvious it will then leave behind one of the type of player as it did with some developers.
While i would prefer personnally if Cataclysm would focus on the 2nd type of gameplay, instead of going a fork way and so dividing the rare devs pool between 2 (or even more) projects or people just drifting away, there should be instead a possibility to have some kind of option , something like "realism on/off" if the changes that makes the current cdda ending into this problematic divides can't be solved just by mods.
I understand it would probably require a lot more coding and time to maintain both on/off side of a "realism" option as i suppose some of the mechanics would then work differently (the aiming that had led to that split by example), but in the end i think it would be a win/win situation as it would exclude no kind of player and devs not agreeing with one of the realism side would still be able to work on the other side of the option without having to fork everything or just leave.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 26, 2018, 07:18:52 pm
Pretty much what I want. I completely lost interest when we went for masturbatory realism over immersiveness and fun.
I will, as usual, repeat something I stressed an awful lot back when I was a contributor: realism is fine so long as it enhances gameplay, not detracts from it.
At one point Coolthulhu and I had a discussion where that point came up. You know what he said? He expressed doubt about that concept about the idea of "you can have realism and fun" if I recall. The quote itself was essentially "I'm not so sure anymore" or something of that sort.
It's not just getting to be a problem for players, that's a hint that this is annoying the other devs at times.
Post by: azmodean on February 26, 2018, 10:54:55 pm
I see at the end of that back and forth about gun accuracy was that the alternative was mentioned as being able to be a mod. Was that outright rejected, or would it just need to be proposed as a mod rather than a direct game update?I'm fine with there being a mod that adjusts this stuff in mainline, there's one guy trying to add it, but he keeps trying to do it in really weird ways.
I mean, I get what you're saying, to a point. The reality bubble is so small even a small handgun can hit easily at max range if you use real life stats. That makes more accurate guns rather pointless.You get it exactly. Please note two replies ago from me...
Hrm... I'll have to have a think on that, maybe we can just set everything to be IRL accurate and let the chips fall where they may.I'm thinking about it and at this point strongly considering going in this direction.
To tell the truth, what I want is the same cataclysm from a year ago (or 3) but with all the little quality of life fixes, changes, and so on. But none of the 'realistic' vehicle stuff (cranes and such), none of the realistic gun stuff, no filthy clothes stuff, etc. But I'm just a lazy jerk who posts what he wants in a thread.Perhaps that is what people want, there's a crazy person trying to clone dda into Python and then take it in a different direction, godspeed to him. As far as I can tell if literally anyone except me makes a fork, it will be more game-like and less realistic.
I have absolutely no problem with hosting a total conversion mod that changes everything about the game as part of the dda repository (including the necessary alterations to the core game to make it flexible enough to do both things). That's what BrightNights was going to be, but from what I can tell Coolthulu came down with a nasty case of having a job and suddenly had no free time to work on it. The down side of course is that such a thing would be a huge amount of work, both in terms of creating the content in the first place and in keeping it in sync with changes to the rest of the game, but it's sure as hell less work than either starting from scratch or forking the entire game.
Bad news for you if BrightNights gets booted back up though, the current gun balance is precisely what Coolthulu asked for, so at this point I'm closer to what you're asking for than he is. It's precisely the "realism over fun" argument that says to make guns *more* accurate, it's never as simple as one side vs another.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 26, 2018, 11:05:59 pm
Hrm... I'll have to have a think on that, maybe we can just set everything to be IRL accurate and let the chips fall where they may.I'm thinking about it and at this point strongly considering going in this direction.
> TFW you can't tell if Kevin is trolling or actually thinks "inject 100% pure realism directly into your eyeballs" is a good idea
Post by: Greiger on February 27, 2018, 02:10:27 am
There are still some things I don't fully agree with, but I honestly thought Kevin had written bay 12 off as a lost cause. Coming here to defend his position would not be something he would do if he didn't at least feel he was doing the right thing. I'll probably give the newest experimentals a try or two and try to be a bit less hostile in my posts.
Post by: scriver on February 27, 2018, 03:10:06 am
Post by: Damiac on February 27, 2018, 08:30:42 am
And just to reiterate, while I definitely don't like all the changes, I know managing a project like this isn't easy, and I do appreciate Kevin's effort, as I've enjoyed the product of his and all the other dev's work. As a person on a forum talking about games my default position is criticism, but I wouldn't bother to criticize a game that I don't like. Thanks to all of you.
Post by: zaimoni on February 27, 2018, 01:18:25 pm
I understand it would probably require a lot more coding and time to maintain both on/off side of a "realism" option as i suppose some of the mechanics would then work differently ....Testing time is the larger problem. The main "advantage" of an option (either runtime or compile-time) is that implementing the option requires a sufficiently clean implementation of both to switch between the two. Other than that it's pure downside for anything that's fundamental to gameplay (which this most definitely is).
Post by: azmodean on February 27, 2018, 02:11:11 pm
Testing time is the larger problem.I agree, that's why I suggested a total conversion mod, not an option. Automated tests (which I'm working on building more of) can test shared functionality and make sure it doesn't drift unexpectedly (i.e. by a code change adjusting the effective accuracy of a gun with particular stats), then each set of stats needs to be maintained separately, because if they have dependencies on each other, they also have opportunities to influence each other. There are too many points of potential disagreement for a single flag to toggle between modes in a sensical fashion, for example:
Maximum range of individual weapons:
Realism says ranges are very long, and weapon types aren't distinct, game logic says ranges are constrained by the game engine and weapon types have distinct ranges.
Scaling of hit rates compared to range.
Realism says hit rates decay linearly with distance, game logic probably wants a shallow hit rate decay at first followed by a steep drop.
Impact of increasing stats vs skills vs weapon type vs weapon modifications.
I.E. each of these contribute to accuracy, but probably in different proportions.
Handling of improvised firearms:
Realism says they're very inaccurate compared to factory weapons, game logic says they're comparable.
Existence of weapons:
I assume a more game-oriented fork would prune out a large number of weapons in the interests of simplification and reducing workload. Likewise a game-oriented fork might add things like freely constructible firearms that are on par with factory built guns, they would simply not exist in dda.
Trying to pack all of these into a single option is a recipe for the system being buggy and poorly tested. Some of these (e.g. hit rate decay with distance) would need to be toggled with a flag and implemented in the game engine, but others would need separate definitions for all supported weapons, and some weapons would be blacklisted or undefined instead.
Post by: Soadreqm on February 28, 2018, 08:52:29 am
I like the dirty clothes, because it took a head-rule I was already following (no clothes off of zombies, or off if human corpses unless they were full || or had belonged to other survivor NPCs) and made it an actual game mechanic.I like the concept too, but the implementation has some problems that make it not worth it for me. Even though it's supposedly meant to be more realistic, everything about it feels gamey. Dirtiness is a binary toggle that zombie clothes always have and other clothes never do. The only way to get rid of it is to find a semi-rare resource. The whole existence of the washboard feels like an ugly hack to get past needing to implement a proper interface for any of this. In an ideal world, I would be able to get some of the slime off my clothes just by scrubbing them in the river. Or boil them over a fire to get them reasonably clean without needing soap. It should be easier to clean items made entirely out of plastic and similar materials. If an item is fireproof, I should be able to burn it clean. And items would get dirtier over time, even when not worn by a dead person. And filthy items would be displayed using something less ugly than rendering the name in dark brown. I can't immerse myself in this.
I don't think it's really about finding a compromise between realism and fun, because right now, much of the game isn't either. Like the skill grind.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 28, 2018, 02:11:09 pm
I like the concept too, but the implementation has some problems that make it not worth it for me. Even though it's supposedly meant to be more realistic, everything about it feels gamey.
Another point I've mentioned back on the old forums. It fails to be realistic, and it doesn't really serve its obstinate gameplay purpose.
Post by: Gamerlord on March 01, 2018, 08:28:33 am
Post by: azmodean on March 01, 2018, 12:15:04 pm
For a more complete list, all mods are in the https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/c/game-talk/the-lab category.
Post by: duckman on March 02, 2018, 06:38:11 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 02, 2018, 09:46:55 pm
The calculations for how strong you need to be to one-hand melee weapons might need to be reworked a bit. You can one-hand a Zweihänder with the default 8 strength.
Post by: Egan_BW on March 02, 2018, 09:59:07 pm
...I have really not played this in awhile. And I never really got past "desperate survival" all the times I did play, so some of the big arguments about balance end up sounding absurd. :P
Like, why make different guns have different mechanics? If you are lucky enough to find both a gun and ammo that fits it, you've pretty much won the game already.
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 02, 2018, 10:18:07 pm
Wait, why does twohanding matter? Is it still how it was, where you can only wield one item at a time, or can you hold two things in your two hands now?
...I have really not played this in awhile. And I never really got past "desperate survival" all the times I did play, so some of the big arguments about balance end up sounding absurd. :P
Like, why make different guns have different mechanics? If you are lucky enough to find both a gun and ammo that fits it, you've pretty much won the game already.
It comes into play if one arm is disabled, if you have the fusion blaster CBM, or if you're wearing a shield or other "you're probably holding this" item.
Post by: Egan_BW on March 02, 2018, 10:37:40 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 02, 2018, 10:58:18 pm
Ah, well, that hardly seems worth it tbh.
Never say that to Kevin. :V
Post by: George_Chickens on March 02, 2018, 11:25:11 pm
I dislike many changes and additions and find some of his attitudes to the project to be childish at best, but come on. That was extremely petty.Ah, well, that hardly seems worth it tbh.Never say that to Kevin. :V
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 03, 2018, 12:15:45 am
I dislike many changes and additions and find some of his attitudes to the project to be childish at best, but come on. That was extremely petty.Ah, well, that hardly seems worth it tbh.Never say that to Kevin. :V
True. Less petty version of the above: Kevin has a demonstrated history of advocating hard for changes he believes are necessary, and has a tendency to object vehemently to any objections to these changes, even when the majority of players, contributors, and even his own developers consider the change in question to be malformed, pointless, or both. Objecting to such changes tends to only encourage Kevin to react to the objector in the manner the community would consider "his usual manner" AKA immaturely.
Is that sufficient for you?
Post by: duckman on March 03, 2018, 04:10:50 am
Ah, well, that hardly seems worth it tbh.Well, there is the "creatures that are flagged as being smart enough to avoid dangerous terrain teleport away if they are standing in a tile that is on fire or filled with electricity" issue as well.
Edit: It basically makes animals and other "intelligent" creatures immune to the main damage dealing effects of most fire based weapons and electrical discharges.
Post by: azmodean on March 05, 2018, 06:29:04 pm
Wait, why does twohanding matter? Is it still how it was, where you can only wield one item at a time, or can you hold two things in your two hands now?The main reason this comes up is if you have a disabled arm.
Post by: Farce on March 05, 2018, 10:56:54 pm
Post by: n9103 on March 05, 2018, 11:36:56 pm
Average people have next to no chance to even have the required grip strength in one hand to be able to
Assuming you manage to wrangle it onto your shoulder, sure, an average guy could swing it with a very rough aiming direction, but the maneuver to manage that one-handed is definitely not something to attempt in melee combat.
Post by: duckman on March 06, 2018, 05:51:28 am
Are we talking being able to swing it with 1 hand at 8 strength or being able to use it effectively with 8 strength? I can imagine a regular guy (assuming 8 is 'average') being able to just kinda hold a big 5-foot sword and just swing it. Not skillfully, mind, just kinda like, a barely controlled sorta thing.I don't think the one/two-handing mechanic is any more complex than whether you're able to hold the thing with one hand or not.
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 06, 2018, 01:02:26 pm
If you want realism, start with that slow swinging, have high skill and/or styles reduce the moves-per-attack to some extent, then code that speed bonus to only apply if you're:
1. Using it two-handed with a modest amount of strength.
or
2. Using it one-handed with a higher degree of strength than it takes to wield it at all.
Then finally, have this bonus capped in some way that super strength doesn't make one-handing massive swords doesn't become trivial, just easier. Beyond a certain point, momentum and general unwieldiness makes it more efficient for a superhuman character to wield a more manageable weapon.
Post by: zaimoni on March 06, 2018, 04:07:33 pm
Having actually dealt with swords and other man-sized lengths of metal a more than a few times, I'd strongly debate the 1-handedness of a 5 foot sword.It's a matter of torque control.
Average people have next to no chance to even have the required grip strength in one hand to be able topickhold up a 5 foot length of iron from one end.
Not so much grip strength as wrist curl strength in all sorts of directions (which requires beefing up ligaments, not just muscle -- very slow process). I have the grip strength to hold onto a 15 lb dumbbell for minutes at a time without any special training (that's under 50% of my (untrainable) estimated one rep max for shoulder shrugs, but (untrained) I certainly can't bring even 12 lbs back to neutral wrist even once in a reverse wrist curl. And the leverage means the required equivalent dumbbell weight is several times the actual weight of that five foot length.
So...yes, something enough extra strength can correct, but definitely should not be happening at untrained average.
Post by: n9103 on March 06, 2018, 08:26:30 pm
I was mistaken on the weights involved in zweihanders, and was thinking they were closer to 15lbs, as opposed to the <10lbs that they are believed to have been. (Further saw that combat vs ceremonial is lighter, but I firmly believe that there aren't going to be combat-oriented medieval weapons in some random mansion :P)
And you're definitely right that I meant torque control, not grip strength.
(Not that it's very applicable, but my max one set at peak was 80lb shrugs. Never tried for one rep max.)
Post by: teoleo on March 07, 2018, 06:10:32 am
It's not complete, but I've tagged a lot of the threads with mods here https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/tags/mod
For a more complete list, all mods are in the https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/c/game-talk/the-lab category.
is possible to add all the link in the first page?
Post by: Vorbicon on March 07, 2018, 11:30:47 am
Post by: Gentlefish on March 07, 2018, 01:50:05 pm
Post by: King Zultan on March 08, 2018, 01:55:18 am
Post by: duckman on March 08, 2018, 11:48:54 pm
Probably one of the experimentals half a year ago? The modern stuff isn't actually all that bad. And the accuracy issue will likely get fixed up as they continue along.The other part of that problem was maximum range on guns. While it's unlikely that every gun will have its range increased to line-of-sight, there's probably some kind of compromise that could get shorter ranged guns a small-moderate range extension. Maybe someone could test out negative armor penetration values on "soft" ammo like buckshot and un-jacketed pistol/smg rounds.
Post by: LordPorkins on March 15, 2018, 08:47:05 am
Would it be possible to build a TMNT-style vehicle inside a subway tunnel? I'm on a map where I basically set it to be one gigantic city, and was wondering how I could utilize the massive subway complex I found
Post by: duckman on March 15, 2018, 11:47:55 am
Greetings Internet! I have a question:You'd have to take it slow so you don't plow into corners and hoard fuel even more zealously than a normal player, but it should be doable until they start blocking the tunnels with subway cars.
Would it be possible to build a TMNT-style vehicle inside a subway tunnel? I'm on a map where I basically set it to be one gigantic city, and was wondering how I could utilize the massive subway complex I found
Post by: Ivefan on March 15, 2018, 03:32:30 pm
Maybe a thin vehicle, but you'll not really need to armor it. perhaps a mobile crafting station?
Post by: azmodean on March 15, 2018, 07:46:16 pm
In the short term we're overhauling the subway mapgen because we realized the turn radii are too small, and that should help make them navigable with other vehicles as well.
For full navigability, it probably needs to be either a small vehicle, or in the (possibly far) future a vehicle with multiple links.
Post by: King Zultan on March 16, 2018, 12:16:24 am
Post by: Silicoid on March 19, 2018, 10:32:24 pm
Post by: LordPorkins on March 20, 2018, 11:00:20 am
Post by: King Zultan on March 20, 2018, 11:10:42 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 20, 2018, 12:01:42 pm
Mainly, its a fast method of traveling underneath cities, between cities, and other such.
Sewers contain porn mags, joint roaches, murder fish, CHUDs, empty bottles, that one time i found a sick bottle of green fluid that gave me tentacles, and other neat shit. If you're a auged or good with breaking down stone walls, then you might have the chips to break through into near by basements or some thing. Also, the best Chip-Truth of it is the fact that there are no land mines in the subway or sewer. Drive freely, knowing that your only enemy is your own hubris and the walls.
The real value of the sewers is the fact that its clean of blockages, so you can go about your way moving fast.
Post by: §k on March 20, 2018, 10:08:08 pm
You can find small dry land in the green sludge. Good place for underground farm plot and underground well.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 21, 2018, 04:45:54 am
Post by: Soadreqm on March 21, 2018, 01:09:04 pm
You can find small dry land in the green sludge. Good place for underground farm plot and underground well.So wait, not only can you farm plants underground in complete darkness, but you can also dig a well inside a literal sewer tunnel and it'll have clean water?
Post by: Damiac on March 21, 2018, 01:40:26 pm
Wait wait wait... are you saying plants aren't supposed to be grown in complete darkness? And wells aren't supposed to be dug inside sewer tunnels?You can find small dry land in the green sludge. Good place for underground farm plot and underground well.So wait, not only can you farm plants underground in complete darkness, but you can also dig a well inside a literal sewer tunnel and it'll have clean water?
This might explain why the garden in my cellar hasn't been doing too well, and my water smells terrible.
What next, are you going to tell me storing my dairy products in direct sunlight isn't the best way to maximize the nutrition content?
Post by: Egan_BW on March 21, 2018, 02:08:52 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on March 21, 2018, 02:20:34 pm
Post by: duckman on March 21, 2018, 08:09:55 pm
Post by: Damiac on March 21, 2018, 08:16:11 pm
So how do acid ants manage to have such large populations when they slaughter their own larvae as soon as they get in spitting range?Well, you see, interdimensional blobs. Therefore, monsters. Lots of them.
Post by: duckman on March 21, 2018, 09:03:50 pm
Makes about as much sense as all the naked baseball players I find in caves, so I'll take it.So how do acid ants manage to have such large populations when they slaughter their own larvae as soon as they get in spitting range?Well, you see, interdimensional blobs. Therefore, monsters. Lots of them.
Speaking of caves, some more complex cave systems would probably help make the underground more interesting.
Post by: kulik on March 22, 2018, 04:22:48 am
Post by: scourge728 on March 22, 2018, 01:01:05 pm
Post by: kulik on March 24, 2018, 07:34:58 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I run without mods. Any ideas why?
I also can't find locations like triffid groves, ant hills, fungal blooms and such...
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 24, 2018, 07:51:56 am
Post by: kulik on March 24, 2018, 08:38:08 am
City size setting at 0 causes this, as well as very big spacing between cities
Oh, ok, good to know, thanks. :)
Post by: Tellemurius on April 01, 2018, 07:26:07 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyoj4-niEPc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyoj4-niEPc)
Post by: Akura on April 01, 2018, 08:00:04 pm
Spoiler: Slime infection isn't deadly in of itself (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tellemurius on April 01, 2018, 10:13:10 pm
He got a few details, particularly about the slimes, wrong.Tbf he purposely get some things wrong for jokes. Don't take it serious, I like him since he digs into funny shit.Spoiler: Slime infection isn't deadly in of itself (click to show/hide)
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 02, 2018, 12:40:36 am
Post by: King Zultan on April 02, 2018, 01:13:49 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 02, 2018, 01:29:03 am
Still not liking some of the new things that are happening with the game.
Yeeaaah. This is just the latest in Kevin's realism fetish crippling every aspect of gameplay. If he has his way CBMs will likely be just utter trash.
Post by: §k on April 02, 2018, 02:13:51 am
Post by: King Zultan on April 02, 2018, 02:20:13 am
Post by: Baffler on April 02, 2018, 09:44:14 am
Post by: §k on April 02, 2018, 09:45:45 am
Post by: Damiac on April 02, 2018, 11:56:35 am
Man, I get (and share) your frustration with the development direction, but is it really necessary to make it personal? It just makes you come across as petty. Kevin came to this thread recently and shared his opinions, and while I probably disagree with many of those opinions, he did so in a reasonably polite way.Still not liking some of the new things that are happening with the game.
Yeeaaah. This is just the latest in Kevin's realism fetish crippling every aspect of gameplay. If he has his way CBMs will likely be just utter trash.
My apologies in advance for my naivete, but wouldn't it be possible for someone (perhaps even you) to clone the "CleverRaven" repository and roll back changes like this you don't like? It seems like there are a lot of people not completely satisfied with the direction of the main branch, but of course everyone likes the bug fixes and QOL changes that come along with an active branch. How hard is it to keep up with the active branch while stripping out the stuff you don't want (Such as new gun accuracy, for example)?
Post by: Arbinire on April 02, 2018, 12:05:42 pm
Man, I get (and share) your frustration with the development direction, but is it really necessary to make it personal? It just makes you come across as petty. Kevin came to this thread recently and shared his opinions, and while I probably disagree with many of those opinions, he did so in a reasonably polite way.Still not liking some of the new things that are happening with the game.
Yeeaaah. This is just the latest in Kevin's realism fetish crippling every aspect of gameplay. If he has his way CBMs will likely be just utter trash.
My apologies in advance for my naivete, but wouldn't it be possible for someone (perhaps even you) to clone the "CleverRaven" repository and roll back changes like this you don't like? It seems like there are a lot of people not completely satisfied with the direction of the main branch, but of course everyone likes the bug fixes and QOL changes that come along with an active branch. How hard is it to keep up with the active branch while stripping out the stuff you don't want (Such as new gun accuracy, for example)?
honestly I don't blame him for his frustration and "making it personal". When everyone is telling you that you're wrong, that the changes to a game which isn't actually yours but a shared community project are universally hated, and you double down on making it hated by everyone...then expect petty behavior in response to your own petty behavior. Kevin has exhibited a unique form of hubris and narcissism to every criticism of the direction he's going and instead of accepting that his ideas are bad, he tells everyone else they're wrong. Someone else really does need to actively work on a branch that backtracks Kevin's horrible ideas, because that's exactly what they are. Horrible ideas.
You can have the most graphically beautiful game ever made, or the most realistic systems ever devised. You can have amazing writing, the best level designs conceived. None of that matters if how the player interacts with the game isn't fun. And Kevin's direction has absolutely none of those things.
Post by: lastofthelight on April 02, 2018, 12:13:27 pm
And they'll incorporate items under the guise of realism, and when it is pointed out they make no sense from a realism perspective, will just kinda shrug - like Moose and wolves in the northeast running around in EVERY AREA killing people. Moose are dangerous, sure. But they are not broad-ranging animals running around all of the 13 colonies slaughtering people. I've lived in Western PA, Eastern PA, MD and NJ; you cannot run outside of your house in most of these areas and find Moose waiting to slaughter you. Same with wolves; wolves are not dangerous (or common) creatures.
Likewise, there are pretty amusing discrepancies with the weather; the whole thing feels like not so much the 'northeast' as much as it does 'what someone from the southwest thinks of the northeast'. Its gotten better in this sense over the years, to be fair....AND....those are old (and minor) arguments - but they are a good example of what I mean.
At the end of the day, issues like the solar panels, vitamins, dirty clothing - come down to that its Kevin's show. He wants to move away from CATA as a 'game' to cata as an ultra-detailed 'simulation' - and he has people willing to work with him on this. I disagree (many do) - but Kevin does have people who agree with him.
And until someone forks the project, it will remain Kevin's show, because only he has the free time, organization and vision to keep a team together; as much as I wish someone else would make an alternative fork. It might even be better for Kevin's version in the longrun, so long as it was done without acrimony, as an 'alternative perspective' seen in action can give people an alternative way of looking at things, so long as they borrow inspiration from each other.
I don't see any of that happening, but I do think CATA is essentially finished as a game. I mean, they still do stuff everyday, but its increasingly meaningless stuff, the equivalent of an OCD person like 'Monk' rearranging their office again and again.
Edit: In all fairness however, while I oppose them removing the solar panel CBM, and note they were cool from a gameplay POV, and oppose removing features that are good and provide something unique 'just because' - they were pretty silly. So, the opposing POV could be - wow, look how brave he is for 'maintaining a vision'. I mean, I don't HOLD that point of view, but you could reasonably argue it. Again, to be fair.
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 02, 2018, 12:51:04 pm
You may object to the tone that, but how else do you expect me to word that in a way that gets the point across? It's blunt, but it also accurately describes the way Kevin disregards basically the entire community, even his own fellow developers and contributors.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 02, 2018, 04:13:53 pm
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wouldn't it be possible for someone to clone the "CleverRaven" repository and roll back changes like this you don't like? It seems like there are a lot of people not completely satisfied with the direction of the main branch, but of course everyone likes the bug fixes and QOL changes that come along with an active branch. How hard is it to keep up with the active branch while stripping out the stuff you don't want (Such as new gun accuracy, for example)?
TBH I haven´t played Cataclysm in a while, in no small measure because over the years it has become a more obscure and less friendly game (I have a custom hacked-together mod to provide myself with more "friendly" custom starts). It might be that my perception is because of these "realism" changes (though TBH I like some of them. Like "our monsters fight each other" thing, which is nice and widens the sandbox nature of the gameplay). But... I see much gnashing of teeth about this Granade guy´s direction, but little in the way of alternatives, with the possible exception of Coolthulu´s fork (not updated in over a year now :/ ). So the whole thing is a bit sterile
Post by: kulik on April 03, 2018, 08:09:08 am
I opted for playing with marksmanship and all firearms skill at 10 just to be able to hit a broad side of a barn.
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 03, 2018, 10:48:32 am
I'd like to point out that he insist only on realism when it concord with his vision of the game. He argued that you can swing-hit-and recover with a two by four faster than shoot with an already raised sidearm at a point blank range, better yet, that you'll most likely miss the center of mass if you don't aim carefully. ...anything but realistic.
I opted for playing with marksmanship and all firearms skill at 10 just to be able to hit a broad side of a barn.
I've seen it phrased a different way before. He tends to focus more on realism elements that are to the player's detriment.
Post by: duckman on April 07, 2018, 06:40:33 pm
I'd like to point out that he insist only on realism when it concord with his vision of the game. He argued that you can swing-hit-and recover with a two by four faster than shoot with an already raised sidearm at a point blank range, better yet, that you'll most likely miss the center of mass if you don't aim carefully. ...anything but realistic.I'm pretty sure the thing that sparked the accuracy change in the first place was a guy on reddit posting about how they got their rifles skill up to 16 and was hitting targets more than 40% of the time at extreme range while using the most accurate guns in the game at the time.
I opted for playing with marksmanship and all firearms skill at 10 just to be able to hit a broad side of a barn.
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 08, 2018, 11:37:01 am
Sounds about right. I mean you could've been referring to the decision to finally unfuck accuracy math, but both sound equally plausible. And that worries me.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 08, 2018, 12:04:42 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 08, 2018, 12:41:22 pm
It does feel as though the perceved point of "superhuman" skill level has been changing over time. For instance, there are a number of books that require you to have level 9 or 10 in a skill to even access them, and manymore that can bring skills to level 10.
Eh. Not really. The skill cap has been 10 for a good while.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 08, 2018, 01:58:14 pm
Post by: Baffler on April 08, 2018, 10:57:15 pm
It does feel as though the perceved point of "superhuman" skill level has been changing over time. For instance, there are a number of books that require you to have level 9 or 10 in a skill to even access them, and manymore that can bring skills to level 10.
IIRC it's not so much 'you need 10 INT to read this,' but 'you need 10 INT to read this and glean information from it without difficulty' like you do from magazines or the lower level books seemingly intended for hobbyists. Although if college level textbooks can bring you to rank five or six in a skill, it makes you wonder why professional classes in a particular skill like the electrician only start at rank three, or even as low as two.
Post by: Aseaheru on April 08, 2018, 11:42:45 pm
Post by: King Zultan on April 09, 2018, 06:29:09 am
Post by: Egan_BW on April 09, 2018, 10:41:34 pm
Post by: duckman on April 10, 2018, 08:52:45 pm
Beyond 20 was, and still is, the domain of literal superhuman mutants/cyborgs. Strength even used to add a further superhuman damage modifier if you went beyond 20, but that seems to have been removed at some point in favor of entirely changing the base scaling of strength and damage from 50% to 75%.
Post by: Azated on April 12, 2018, 12:05:17 am
I really like Cata but all this stuff makes me not want to bother with the three clicks it takes to download the latest experimental.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 12, 2018, 05:49:26 am
Post by: Sheb on April 12, 2018, 08:07:46 am
Like Kevin or not, he's pretty much the only person with the drive and such to keep the project going now that everyone else is gone.
Yeah, pretty much. Plenty of people have the skill,, will, time and energy to bitch about Kevin, no one has enough of that to replace him.
Post by: Arbinire on April 12, 2018, 09:44:57 am
Like Kevin or not, he's pretty much the only person with the drive and such to keep the project going now that everyone else is gone.
Yeah, pretty much. Plenty of people have the skill,, will, time and energy to bitch about Kevin, no one has enough of that to replace him.
I don't have the skill personally but
Like Kevin or not, he's pretty much the only person with the drive and such to keep the project going now that everyone else is gone.
It's funny you use that word drive, cause that's exactly what Kevin did to all the other contributers who DID have the skill, will, time, and energy to work on the project. He drove them away. Seriously, ask most of the former contributers to the project why they left. Most will say Kevin.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 12, 2018, 12:16:04 pm
I can't help but think that either there arent that many able peopleinvested in the project, or that they can't be arsed to do anythinf, or both
Post by: Egan_BW on April 12, 2018, 12:19:11 pm
Post by: Darkmere on April 12, 2018, 12:45:52 pm
I want you to leave all of that behind and work on an exact copy of the project for me, except we'll have to tear out parts of it and rebuild them - some from the ground up - and so far the amount of people helping you is a lot less than you have now.
^^^
That right there is the pitch to get people to sign on to a new project fork. You'd better have a shitload of charisma to pull that off, especially when you're trying to overcome negative feelings of people who are wanting to leave a project already.
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 12, 2018, 01:14:08 pm
This, sadly, is unlikely to happen.
Post by: Not good with names on April 12, 2018, 01:17:41 pm
I mean, I guess that menu could get pretty crowded, but it leads to stuff like hitting 'E' then wondering whether your character is just going to chug disinfectant instead of using it on himself, then you have 'i'>disinfectant>'a'>use on body part. Do the people who design the game actually play it? Is the meta just to carry so much stuff on your person that this was a necessary change?
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 12, 2018, 01:35:14 pm
Is the meta just to carry so much stuff on your person that this was a necessary change?
My dozens of lighters tell me "yes"
Post by: Baffler on April 12, 2018, 07:26:35 pm
Well, as for gameplay, have been playing on a experimental from march on and off and my biggest question is who decided to take food and some medicines from the 'a' tab?
I mean, I guess that menu could get pretty crowded, but it leads to stuff like hitting 'E' then wondering whether your character is just going to chug disinfectant instead of using it on himself, then you have 'i'>disinfectant>'a'>use on body part. Do the people who design the game actually play it? Is the meta just to carry so much stuff on your person that this was a necessary change?
I was frustrated by this too.
I personally try to keep myself as lightly equipped as I can get away with because I tend to run ranged-focused characters operating out of a fixed base. If I mainly leave my base on planned excursions I can just stack whatever tools I might need in the trunk of my vehicle (or rucksack) and staying light and able to outrun or avoid enemies is more important for my immediate survival than anything else since getting into a protracted melee is just asking for death until the late game. The more typical strategy seems to be to be vehicle based though, from what I've seen, and to carry stuff so as not to get caught out if you should need it. If I was carrying a bunch of different stuff all the time I'd probably want the change in filtering too. And even as it is I kinda see the appeal of having 'E' mean 'consumables' and 'a' mean 'tools.'
Post by: azmodean on April 13, 2018, 01:28:16 am
Is the meta just to carry so much stuff on your person that this was a necessary change?It is for some people, and it also seemed like a no-brainer that if you want to eat something it's more straightforward to hit E and then chose something from a restricted list than to hit a and then pick something from a potentally gigantic list of all the items in your inventory.
IIRC the underlying issue is that we're starting to consider items that can be activated in multiple ways, in which case a generic activate menu would have to re-prompt for what to do with it after it's selected, but a topic-specific menu (Eat Read, Disassemble, Reload, etc) can just go Action -> item.
I can certainly see adding that though as a keybinding that brings up a list of every item you can do anything with if you prefer that approach.
p.s. Step down lol, that's some next level entitlement.
Post by: Sheb on April 13, 2018, 01:56:01 am
To be blunt, the only solution that would solve the problem requires Kevin to step down. The main repo has an established base of developers and contributors, things that a fork would lack. The project would survive without him now that that supporting infrastructure exists, and in fact would be better off if he wasn't there to drive off contributors, drive his fellow devs insane, and watse everyone's time arguing over inane things the game dosn't need.
This, sadly, is unlikely to happen.
Except if everyone hates Kevin as you seem to think, surely it wouldn't be that hard to get the others devs to all switch and make your own fork with blackjack and hookers?
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 13, 2018, 02:07:43 am
p.s. Step down lol, that's some next level entitlement.
Coolthulhu would make an infinitely better head developer than you. As would Riv. You are unnecessary at this point, in fact your presence is the biggest detriment to this project and its community.
Post by: Egan_BW on April 13, 2018, 02:08:30 am
To be blunt, the only solution that would solve the problem requires Kevin to step down. The main repo has an established base of developers and contributors, things that a fork would lack. The project would survive without him now that that supporting infrastructure exists, and in fact would be better off if he wasn't there to drive off contributors, drive his fellow devs insane, and watse everyone's time arguing over inane things the game dosn't need.
This, sadly, is unlikely to happen.
Except if everyone hates Kevin as you seem to think, surely it wouldn't be that hard to get the others devs to all switch and make your own fork with blackjack and hookers?
Cataclysm BJH
Post by: AVE on April 13, 2018, 03:04:58 am
If he steps down, will there be someone to do the same thing as he does currently? And what if that person will be 'hated' by the community for same reasons as Kevin currently is? Being a leader is a burden and this 'hate' is a part of that burden I think. There is certainly a balance between doing what the majority of people want and things that need to be done in order to tweak the game into being not too easy or boring to play. I think that Kevin will catch that balance eventually, or he will just give up due to overall pressing.
Post by: azmodean on April 13, 2018, 11:58:58 am
There is certainly a balance between doing what the majority of people want and things that need to be done in order to tweak the game into being not too easy or boring to play. I think that Kevin will catch that balance eventually, or he will just give up due to overall pressing.Im glad someone reasonable brought this up, I can respond without feeling like I'm wasting my time.
I'm making dda because it's a game I want to exist, I'd still be working on it if no one else were contributing, I'd still be working on it if no one else PLAYED it. Im not making it for the majority. If it were, it'd look a hell of a lot more like candy crush or clash of clans than xcom or fallout or df. I'm making it for me, and the fact that other people like it too reflects the fact that we have similar tastes in games. I also enjoy working with (some) other people, and like to share things I've made, which is why I've put so much work into making dda moddable.
Tl;Dr, I'm making dda for me, and if you like it too, you're welcome to enjoy it. If you want to make a mod and aren't a raging asshole, I'm happy to work with you on it and stay out of your business.
The concept of me being pressured out of the project is laughable, here and /rlg are the only places that are notably toxic, and even if there were widespread toxicity elsewhere, the, worst that would happen is I'd hole up on the forums i own and ignore it :D
Post by: Arbinire on April 13, 2018, 12:37:30 pm
@AVE I agree with most of what you're saying, gaming is a toxic area for whatever reason, and level of abuse doesn't indicate anything except level of interest, so pretty much all you can do is ignore it (Or counter-troll if you feel like it, but taking abuse seriously is a one-way ticket to exiting the gamedev arena).There is certainly a balance between doing what the majority of people want and things that need to be done in order to tweak the game into being not too easy or boring to play. I think that Kevin will catch that balance eventually, or he will just give up due to overall pressing.Im glad someone reasonable brought this up, I can respond without feeling like I'm wasting my time.
I'm making dda because it's a game I want to exist, I'd still be working on it if no one else were contributing, I'd still be working on it if no one else PLAYED it. Im not making it for the majority. If it were, it'd look a hell of a lot more like candy crush or clash of clans than xcom or fallout or df. I'm making it for me, and the fact that other people like it too reflects the fact that we have similar tastes in games. I also enjoy working with (some) other people, and like to share things I've made, which is why I've put so much work into making dda moddable.
Tl;Dr, I'm making dda for me, and if you like it too, you're welcome to enjoy it. If you want to make a mod and aren't a raging asshole, I'm happy to work with you on it and stay out of your business.
The concept of me being pressured out of the project is laughable, here and /rlg are the only places that are notably toxic, and even if there were widespread toxicity elsewhere, the, worst that would happen is I'd hole up on the forums i own and ignore it :D
You aren't making it though. It's not your game. The fact this is how you think of it speaks volumes to be honest. You're a contributor just like everyone else who has contributed to it, and just because you've been actively chasing off everyone else who has contributed to it doesn't make it your game, and it never will be your game. It wasn't your idea. It wasn't your vision. You're just sampling it and claiming credit for something. So slow down Vanilla Ice, and maybe start listening to people.
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 13, 2018, 12:44:03 pm
While I am not quite content with the attitude of Kevin's posts on github, he at least does SOMETHING to constrain other developers and lead their efforts in a particular direction. There was a moment I remember when no one tried to do that and CDDA became an absolute mess of various wild additions, some of them even not fitting in the lore.
If he steps down, will there be someone to do the same thing as he does currently? And what if that person will be 'hated' by the community for same reasons as Kevin currently is? Being a leader is a burden and this 'hate' is a part of that burden I think. There is certainly a balance between doing what the majority of people want and things that need to be done in order to tweak the game into being not too easy or boring to play. I think that Kevin will catch that balance eventually, or he will just give up due to overall pressing.
Coolthulhu has demonstrated the desire to serve that role, and honestly he's the most qualified to fill that role. But his branch doesn't have the infrastructure that CleverRaven's repo has.
and aren't a raging asshole
Funny how I'm the only one of the two of us that readily admits to being a raging asshole.
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 13, 2018, 01:46:20 pm
I mean ffs some of the arguments don't even make sense. One of you claims Kevin is obsessed with realism while another whines about how you can't shoot a zombie from 10 yards because the guns are unrealistic. Which is it? Neither, because he's making a game. Games aren't supposed to be realistic. They may approximate realism in some ways but all of that takes a backseat to gameplay, and the gameplay is driven by the game's vision. There are lots of games that make no damn sense. Woop Laura Croft found a fucking machine gun upgrade in an ancient mayan temple muh realisms.
Play the game or don't. Stop moaning at the people donating their time to making it. If you don't like it, watch some tutorials and make your own version. If he's doing most of the work then it IS his project. It's also yours, if you feel like branching it. It's anyone's.
Post by: Darkmere on April 13, 2018, 02:05:31 pm
I think both sides are just trying to point out that what's going on isn't fun, but how you describe "not fun" varies based on personal preference. The game lost me long ago, I just keep checking up to watch drama and see if anything new is released - so I have no vested interest one way or another anymore.
Post by: scourge728 on April 13, 2018, 04:13:48 pm
One of you claims Kevin is obsessed with realism while another whines about how you can't shoot a zombie from 10 yards because the guns are unrealistic. Which is it?The thing is, certain ASPECTS of a game can be realistic, while others aren't, while I will admit I can't judge the robotics parts because I've been unable to survive long enough to get there, I do feel the need to state that some aspects are better to be realistic than others...
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 13, 2018, 04:18:09 pm
I'm not sure what you mean about 'robotics parts'?
Post by: scourge728 on April 13, 2018, 04:19:09 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 13, 2018, 04:20:29 pm
cyborg stuffAre you asking if the cybernetic parts are realistic? I think by definition they can't be...
Post by: scourge728 on April 13, 2018, 04:23:22 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 13, 2018, 04:29:13 pm
No, I said I can't judge how realistic to current science speculation they are, because I haven't survived long enough to reach that pointAh, understood now. How true to current theory they should be would depend on what kind of theme is being projected through the game's direction and vision. If it's intended to be a gritty hard science fiction game then they shouldn't stray much from plausible effects and theories. I haven't actually played the game in quite some time so I'm not up to date on what changes may have been made recently.
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 13, 2018, 06:28:03 pm
Some aspects of a game can be realistic, but they should be only so far as it serves the gameplay.
Now tell that to Kevin.
Post by: se5a on April 14, 2018, 05:04:25 am
after messing around for ages trying to get the Linux version to work (both the experimental and stable versions couldn't find an SDL library that I defiantly have installed) I gave up and compiled it, fortunately that was fairly straight forward.
after a couple of false starts and messing around I started getting the hang of it, and managed to survive two nights. by that time the fungus had spread to my little hide out. having been... er *influenced* by the dwarven mindset, and having just gotten the fire drill I tried that.
NekMinut, !!!Fun!!! ensued, explosively. and fire was licking at the walls of the survival hut, and I'd been hurt fairly badly. went down to the basement figuring I might survive down there, and waited. but died, whether from my wounds or maybe the building collapsed ontop of me I'm unsure.
I'll have to try that again, before it spreads to my hideaway, and with more running away so I get less burned.
Post by: Ametsala on April 14, 2018, 09:15:33 am
Seeing that Kevin's been around here lately I'm just going to post the couple of suggestions I've got thus far here:
1: Make default language in settings English instead of system language. It's really weird having ~ 5 % of words in Finnish while everything else is in English...
2: I found myself missing the push functionality from UnReal World. It's like dropping to adjacent tile, but the items don't need to be in inventory. I know I can use advanced inventory management, but it's just so much hassle compared to pressing a key, choosing a direction, and selecting the items on the tile you're on which you want to push to the tile in chosen direction.
I also agree with forsaken111. I think it's been established enough times in this thread that there's disagreement about Kevin's lead dev abilities, and that discussion hasn't been particularly fruitful. Maybe find a better place for
* Don't know when the current argument started, but it seems to me that it was going on in February when I last stopped following this thread.
Post by: Arbinire on April 14, 2018, 09:48:02 am
Downloaded this again yesterday (0.C), and played through the first day. Looting nearby houses and bashing Zs with makeshift crowbar after throwing rocks at them while trying to remember all the controls. Nothing particularly !!Fun!! yet.
Seeing that Kevin's been around here lately I'm just going to post the couple of suggestions I've got thus far here:
1: Make default language in settings English instead of system language. It's really weird having ~ 5 % of words in Finnish while everything else is in English...
2: I found myself missing the push functionality from UnReal World. It's like dropping to adjacent tile, but the items don't need to be in inventory. I know I can use advanced inventory management, but it's just so much hassle compared to pressing a key, choosing a direction, and selecting the items on the tile you're on which you want to push to the tile in chosen direction.
I also agree with forsaken111. I think it's been established enough times in this thread that there's disagreement about Kevin's lead dev abilities, and that discussion hasn't been particularly fruitful. Maybe find a better place forbickeringdiscussing aboutKevin's lead dev abilitesCata's development. A dedicated thread in Cata's forums or a subreddit or whatever. Months* spanning bickering here isn't really useful, and annoys people who just want to play the game and know whether to get the latest stable or experimental release or some other fork of the game.
* Don't know when the current argument started, but it seems to me that it was going on in February when I last stopped following this thread.
People tried that, and Kevin turned it into an echo chamber by his own admission. Just read back his last couple of posts where he called the community here and pretty much anywhere that wasn't his own forums toxic. I've been on the Bay12 forums since 2011, and this community has been anything but toxic. As you can see, it gets pretty frustrating when you have 1 guy taking all the credit for other people's work when it's good and people enjoy it, but then bans people and chases away those who actually did the good work when they criticize, even constructively, the bad things which he has implemented. Some people you just can't reason with, and a good indication of that is someone who calls a community project which was initially created by another person entirely theirs. Just go over to the wiki, it doesn't even name the original creator, just says "the author", and doesn't list any of the people who actually contributed to the project since it became Dark Days Ahead.
Post by: duckman on April 14, 2018, 04:54:03 pm
Downloaded this again yesterday (0.C), and played through the first day. Looting nearby houses and bashing Zs with makeshift crowbar after throwing rocks at them while trying to remember all the controls. Nothing particularly !!Fun!! yet.Azmodean is Kevin. He either revealed that at some point a long time ago and was just forgotten or never bothered to.
Seeing that Kevin's been around here lately I'm just going to post the couple of suggestions I've got thus far here:
1: Make default language in settings English instead of system language. It's really weird having ~ 5 % of words in Finnish while everything else is in English...
2: I found myself missing the push functionality from UnReal World. It's like dropping to adjacent tile, but the items don't need to be in inventory. I know I can use advanced inventory management, but it's just so much hassle compared to pressing a key, choosing a direction, and selecting the items on the tile you're on which you want to push to the tile in chosen direction.
I also agree with forsaken111. I think it's been established enough times in this thread that there's disagreement about Kevin's lead dev abilities, and that discussion hasn't been particularly fruitful. Maybe find a better place forbickeringdiscussing aboutKevin's lead dev abilitesCata's development. A dedicated thread in Cata's forums or a subreddit or whatever. Months* spanning bickering here isn't really useful, and annoys people who just want to play the game and know whether to get the latest stable or experimental release or some other fork of the game.
* Don't know when the current argument started, but it seems to me that it was going on in February when I last stopped following this thread.
As for the suggestions, I think they decided they would only really bother checking GitHub for feedback because even looking through their own forum's feedback and bug report section was too much of a hassle.
Post by: se5a on April 14, 2018, 04:59:52 pm
Seems my first world had a really good start except for the fungus. a forest just outside the door for close foraging, a river a little further away. pity I burned it all.
Post by: Ametsala on April 14, 2018, 06:18:57 pm
...Just read back his last couple of posts where he called the community here and pretty much anywhere that wasn't his own forums toxic...
To me it seems he called only the C:DDA discussions here and /rlg toxic. (Though I don't know where else there are C:DDA discussions...)
When it comes to him calling the project his, well, he is the only one of the original C:DDA devs left. If he quit, I think the project might need a new name.
...Just go over to the wiki, it doesn't even name the original creator, just says "the author", and doesn't list any of the people who actually contributed to the project since it became Dark Days Ahead.
Have you been to the history part of the main C:DDA site (http://en.cataclysmdda.com/pages/3/display) and the wiki's Developers page (http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Developers)?
It's easy enough to find Whales' github (https://github.com/Whales/Cataclysm) for the original cataclysm, and the only one of the 4 contributors not mentioned in wiki's list is jaydg.
(Looking at the C:DDA dev list in GitHub, I noticed Coolthulhu not being in the wiki's list. Looking in the wiki page's history, it seems that some contributors have just never been added (rather than them being intentionally removed))
Azmodean is Kevin. He either revealed that at some point a long time ago and was just forgotten or never bothered to.
As for the suggestions, I think they decided they would only really bother checking GitHub for feedback because even looking through their own forum's feedback and bug report section was too much of a hassle.
I know he's Kevin, that's why I posted those :). I'm hoping to avoid registering to places that I'm unlikely to visit again.
Struggling to find drink, as soon as I go near buildings I just get zeds, wonder if my emergency jacket is getting me spotted really easily? last char was doing 'ok', strugling to find anything to drink but leveling up slowly. then stumbled on a brute and couldn't run away fast enough.
Seems my first world had a really good start except for the fungus. a forest just outside the door for close foraging, a river a little further away. pity I burned it all.
Well, the emergency jacket makes you supposedly visible for rescuers, so it might make you visible to zeds as well, but idk if it works like that. If you're using static spawn, the zeds won't respawn as long as you smash or butcher them, so an area will eventually become Z-free.
My current character is also having trouble finding something to drink. I guess I'll have to smash/deconstruct some of the benches in the shelter to get firewood to make a fire to make clean water.
Post by: se5a on April 14, 2018, 08:42:31 pm
I seem to have lost the map that was in the bottom right of my ui. the one that showed all the critters on it. now I just have the text taking up the whole area. not sure how to get it back.
Post by: azmodean on April 14, 2018, 09:25:58 pm
1: Make default language in settings English instead of system language. It's really weird having ~ 5 % of words in Finnish while everything else is in English...It works like it does due to specific requests by other people who want the default to reflect their system language. I wonder if a compromise where it defaults to system language only when more than x% of the language is translated would work.
2: I found myself missing the push functionality from UnReal World. It's like dropping to adjacent tile, but the items don't need to be in inventory. I know I can use advanced inventory management, but it's just so much hassle compared to pressing a key, choosing a direction, and selecting the items on the tile you're on which you want to push to the tile in chosen direction.Seems reasonable.
Post by: §k on April 14, 2018, 09:29:45 pm
When you return to your lmoe, push one button, and you auto cook, have dinner, drink, repair weapon, repair armor, repair car, then sleep, then wake up and have breakfast, and drink some refreshing dandelion tea.
It would save so many keystrokes.
Post by: se5a on April 15, 2018, 02:10:24 am
Just when I felt like I was getting ahead.
Post by: Ametsala on April 15, 2018, 08:07:28 am
1: Make default language in settings English instead of system language. It's really weird having ~ 5 % of words in Finnish while everything else is in English...It works like it does due to specific requests by other people who want the default to reflect their system language. I wonder if a compromise where it defaults to system language only when more than x% of the language is translated would work.
I figured this might be the case after I saw something about a German translation when looking into CDDA's development yesterday. The major languages are more likely to find people to do complete translations, and also to expect things in their native language (especially in Germany and other countries were movies and TV programs are dubbed).
The compromise could be nice. Though it needs someone (the translator) or something (an algorithm) to keep track of translation progress. Or maybe just don't include the language files if the translation is not complete enough?
Anyway, next time I setup CDDA I'll know to change the setting to English :)
2: I found myself missing the push functionality from UnReal World. It's like dropping to adjacent tile, but the items don't need to be in inventory. I know I can use advanced inventory management, but it's just so much hassle compared to pressing a key, choosing a direction, and selecting the items on the tile you're on which you want to push to the tile in chosen direction.Seems reasonable.
Great! :) And thanks for the reply!
In other news: I found out that giant wasps are tougher than I remembered, that the reason I liked the ballroom dancer profession is the 2 dodge, and that the game can crash even though it's the stable version. (I have the game on fullscreen and was alt-tabbed to look for something in the wiki.)
Post by: scourge728 on April 15, 2018, 08:12:04 am
Post by: Rince Wind on April 15, 2018, 08:18:11 am
In other news: I found out that giant wasps are tougher than I remembered, that the reason I liked the ballroom dancer profession is the 2 dodge, and that the game can crash even though it's the stable version. (I have the game on fullscreen and was alt-tabbed to look for something in the wiki.)
The stable is a lot less stable than most experimentals.
Post by: Akura on April 15, 2018, 08:31:28 am
I'm getting REALLY sick of frostbite, wouldn't be so bad if the apocalypse happened later, when it wasn't snowing and cold to the point of that, so that I could get stuff to protect from the frostbite...
You can change the starting season in the world options. Otherwise, even with basic tailoring skills, you can use materials from the shelter to quickly make something to cover your extremities - repeatedly making and disassembling wraps is also good for reaching tailoring level 1 from 0. Staying indoors helps deal with the cold, and if you can have a safe spot to build an indoor fire(oven, fireplaces in the fancier houses), that can help a lot as well.
Post by: scourge728 on April 15, 2018, 10:41:46 am
It says something about zombie spawns, making me think it would get a LOT harder to start in a later date, not really sure though. And I have this problem with getting REALLY unlucky with shelter spawns, such as what happened my most recent attempt at playing, where I got a lighter I think it was, and nothing else
You can change the starting season in the world options. Otherwise, even with basic tailoring skills, you can use materials from the shelter to quickly make something to cover your extremities - repeatedly making and disassembling wraps is also good for reaching tailoring level 1 from 0. Staying indoors helps deal with the cold, and if you can have a safe spot to build an indoor fire(oven, fireplaces in the fancier houses), that can help a lot as well.
Post by: Robsoie on April 15, 2018, 11:25:58 am
With the lighter put fire to nearby vegetations like those shrubs and lead zombies inside the fire, so not only shrub make them slower allowing you to strike a few times without retaliation but they're burning fast.
Not that usefull against the superior zombies variant and other large monsters.
Post by: anexiledone on April 15, 2018, 01:55:36 pm
found a matchbook and a lighter this time so at least I can make fire and get clean water now. Havn't been foraging as much this time since there's a bio operator zed floating around out that way.
I seem to have lost the map that was in the bottom right of my ui. the one that showed all the critters on it. now I just have the text taking up the whole area. not sure how to get it back.
I think shift+n brings the minimap back
Post by: Greiger on April 15, 2018, 10:26:06 pm
Unless things have changed in comparison to the old version i play, lighters used to be a great asset against most common zombies :Last I played a few months back (may be misremembering) they made lighting a fire with a lighter take longer. Still possible and in some cases even reasonable to do as a zed defense, but not something you can do spur of the moment with a zombie only a couple tiles away. I vaguely recall needing kindling now as well, as the bush still burns but you need something flammable in it to start the fire off. Both of those being changes I recall liking. I didn't like insta flames anywhere.
With the lighter put fire to nearby vegetations like those shrubs and lead zombies inside the fire, so not only shrub make them slower allowing you to strike a few times without retaliation but they're burning fast.
Not that usefull against the superior zombies variant and other large monsters.
Post by: se5a on April 15, 2018, 11:25:53 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 15, 2018, 11:34:13 pm
Post by: se5a on April 15, 2018, 11:51:34 pm
I've got a nord, but it doesn't have the reach of the spear. so I can't hit and run.
also, how does the damage work when you have a weapon that does two different types of damage?
Post by: §k on April 16, 2018, 12:50:53 am
For zombie with tough skin, helicopter crash site is your friend. I led a tank drone across a field of metal wreckage, 3 times, and then it collapsed! Use this before it is nerfed.
The worst enemy to a kiter, is being out numbered. I always start in wild, and lure only a few zombies from the edge of the town. One can learn from coyote - the evil natural born kiter.
Post by: se5a on April 16, 2018, 01:02:47 am
Post by: §k on April 16, 2018, 01:07:11 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 16, 2018, 02:31:25 am
Post by: duckman on April 16, 2018, 11:04:51 am
I'm getting REALLY sick of frostbite, wouldn't be so bad if the apocalypse happened later, when it wasn't snowing and cold to the point of that, so that I could get stuff to protect from the frostbite...What's really weird is that the default winter coat/boots and jeans should be fine, but New Englanders apparently have shit leg circulation. Maybe I just live too far north to get why the mild cold you start with is supposed to bother you when you're so overdressed already.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 16, 2018, 11:07:20 am
Post by: scourge728 on April 16, 2018, 11:27:23 am
Post by: LordPorkins on April 16, 2018, 11:44:25 am
Post by: scourge728 on April 16, 2018, 01:27:59 pm
Post by: se5a on April 17, 2018, 04:13:27 am
Post by: Darkmere on April 17, 2018, 04:17:17 am
Post by: Akura on April 17, 2018, 04:25:00 am
Post by: §k on April 17, 2018, 05:07:15 am
It used to not hold water in any case. I think the "can't collect rain water" is an oversight when "pot holds water" was added.
Post by: se5a on April 17, 2018, 07:16:31 am
The wiki needs to be a bit clearer on that point.
Post by: Rince Wind on April 17, 2018, 07:48:51 am
Post by: scourge728 on April 17, 2018, 08:58:43 pm
Post by: iceball3 on April 17, 2018, 09:02:57 pm
How do I use the food dehydrator? It has batteries, and I'm activating it, but I just get the standard "nothing interesting" message...I'm not sure, but I think it is used as a crafting tool. Which means you might need to get your cooking skill up somewhat.
Post by: scourge728 on April 17, 2018, 09:08:23 pm
Oh it's used from the crafting menu? That is helpful informationHow do I use the food dehydrator? It has batteries, and I'm activating it, but I just get the standard "nothing interesting" message...I'm not sure, but I think it is used as a crafting tool. Which means you might need to get your cooking skill up somewhat.
Also, The inactive laser turret in the graphics pack thing reminds me of portal turrets, and that makes me happy
Post by: se5a on April 17, 2018, 09:14:52 pm
also, what's the best way to get rocks? so far I'm going out into the fields and hitting big rocks with a sledge hammer, but finding them can be fairly tedious.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 17, 2018, 09:18:48 pm
Other then that, hit rocks.
Post by: se5a on April 17, 2018, 09:33:09 pm
Post by: Kaitol on April 17, 2018, 10:59:56 pm
Post by: se5a on April 17, 2018, 11:22:21 pm
I seem to be sick for some reason. I don't think I've eaten anything unhealthy, though the cracklings was getting a little old, I got no warning about it. (why doesn't it show up when you're cooking if stuff is getting old/gone off) and I've only been drinking good water too.
unfortunately I'm allergic to junk food, which means I've got a lot of packaged food sitting around that I can't do anything with. I'm hoping I'll find some recipes which use it for something other than junk food.
Post by: §k on April 17, 2018, 11:41:29 pm
Either it is reverted, or it only applies to fireplace but not brazier, or you're using an old experimental, or there's water or rain, or the stuff is only partially wood( rifle, shovel, etc).
Post by: Kaitol on April 18, 2018, 02:08:47 am
Post by: se5a on April 18, 2018, 02:45:07 am
Other little UX interface things get a bit annoying over time too, like, I keep expecting to be able to hit enter on the highlighted item in a list when getting or dropping stuff to transfer that one item, but ofc it doesn't, the number of times I've (g)rabed something and wandered somewhere only to find I don't have it... a little more consistency with shift things too, i.e. I keep trying to shift E to examine, since most other shift combos are the directional equivalent of whatever, ie g vs G grab, d vs D drop, x vs X peek) might be able to change that in the keymap though, make e eat and shift E examine or something. wonder if I can shift numpad be screen movement (why doesn't the screen follow the cursor when you're aiming?)
Yeah I wondered if maybe I'd just gotten sick, wasn't sure that was a thing.
Post by: Sheb on April 18, 2018, 03:44:23 am
Post by: Darkmere on April 18, 2018, 03:51:12 am
Post by: teoleo on April 18, 2018, 04:23:52 am
Post by: Aseaheru on April 18, 2018, 07:07:56 am
Post by: teoleo on April 18, 2018, 08:43:44 am
Post by: kulik on April 18, 2018, 09:33:26 am
Also, my preference is to play with enemy speed reduced to 75% and health to 80%, I also start with markmanship and gun skills set to 10 - this will make firearms worth wile to use.
Post by: scourge728 on April 18, 2018, 06:04:41 pm
Post by: Farce on April 18, 2018, 10:23:45 pm
A large number of of my shots - which I spent at least some time aiming and fired on single shot - would fly like 60 degrees to either side. I think this is slightly silly and would enjoy it if spray wasn't quite so uh. Ridiculous?
Post by: Egan_BW on April 18, 2018, 10:33:56 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on April 19, 2018, 01:25:14 am
A better solution would be to emphasize the drawbacks that guns already have by making guns and ammo much rarer and making them generally louder. This would also make a cleaner break with bows, which you can craft your own ammo for and which are nearly silent.
Or alternatively just decide that the omnipresent blobs like to eat gunpowder and guns just don't work anymore. But that could just be my prejudice against ranged weaponry talking. I find it more fun to fight zombies with an umbrella or my bare fists instead of worrying about gun mods and ammo conservation.
Post by: SalmonGod on April 19, 2018, 02:52:21 am
Post by: teoleo on April 19, 2018, 03:35:22 am
if i put 2 i have more or less zombie?
Post by: Rince Wind on April 19, 2018, 03:38:59 am
Post by: §k on April 19, 2018, 03:56:07 am
Even if gun is accurate, it is not over powered. Because it is loud and ammo is limited. Besides, melee is so over powered that gun is not necessary.
Post by: Darkmere on April 19, 2018, 04:14:09 am
Bullet is pierce damage. Give zombie high pierce armor then.
Even if gun is accurate, it is not over powered. Because it is loud and ammo is limited. Besides, melee is so over powered that gun is not necessary.
Pierce resist would neuter bows, too, and those already have enough downsides.
Also some people might want to - and I know this is bizarre - not play melee on every single character.
Post by: §k on April 19, 2018, 04:32:39 am
Post by: Ametsala on April 19, 2018, 07:23:52 am
in the option how work zombie density?
if i put 2 i have more or less zombie?
I guess you mean the Monster Spawn Density.
I set it all the way up to 50 and there seems to be way more Zs and Animals.
Post by: se5a on April 19, 2018, 03:12:10 pm
So I found an electric car and fixed it up some, it's got solar panels, but they don't seem to be charging it, I've had it sitting by my base for a couple of days now, and it just stays at 8% on the one battery that is green. any ideas?
I also need to figure out a way to light my room, now it's winter I'm sitting around in the dark for ages. I keep going to bed and leaving whatever light source I have running.
Post by: pisskop on April 19, 2018, 03:33:07 pm
Second, storage batteries have absolute oodles of capacity, and it can take a lot to charge up even 1%
Third, it may not be sunny out. They charge very slowly in overcast conditions and not at all in other ones, like snow or rain.
fourth, it may need to be in the bubble to charge.
Fifth, is there anything on in the car? like a dome light?
sixth, use an oven and timber for light. or a brazier. Or go outside. Or use plants to cover you up. A light strip is super effective though.
seventh, go find gas car. by foot. Then drive to it with the slar car and some jumper cables, and start it up. It doesnt need to move; only start. Attach that to your electric car and wait around.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 19, 2018, 03:47:11 pm
Post by: se5a on April 19, 2018, 04:39:48 pm
back to the best fuel for fires thing though, anyone got calcs on whether a log burns longer than the equivalent 4x2 vs the equiv splintered wood, and aprox how long each burns for? I've built a fireplace now, do fireplace vs brazier matter for length of burn time? (the trees are a little ways away to go cut down)
I'd go outside, but it gets dark real quick now, and I can't sleep the whole dark time. currently I'm waking up, lighting a fire, doing cooking and maybe reading till it gets light, then going out and foraging/hunting/zed killing, till it gets dark again, then maybe starting the lantern and crafting till its late enough to sleep.
Post by: azmodean on April 19, 2018, 05:08:07 pm
tl;dr I've proposed two approaches, but haven't had time to implement one:
Plan A: retune for the longest ranged guns (sniper rifles) in the hands of a highly skilled player hitting "reliably" at a range of ~100 tiles (yes that's off the map). Also increase the degree of overlap in effective ranges, which keeps e.g. pistols from being squished down to a ridiculously short range.
Plan B: retune for max effective range as close to IRL ranges as I can find sources for, which puts hitting "reliably" at 1,000+ tiles for the upper echelons of weapons.
Both plans make most guns "infinitely" accurate in the hands of an upper-tier player, and also make robots/npcs/turrets EXTREMELY dangerous on open ground.
Post by: Egan_BW on April 19, 2018, 07:33:25 pm
I also think you might focus on "end game" players a bit too much? I haven't played cata very extensively, and the characters I've had have never really found usable guns. I'd like to think that if I'm a survivor just working with what I can get, finding a working gun with ammo should be a big thing.
Post by: se5a on April 19, 2018, 08:01:37 pm
hopefully I'll be able to reload my used brass - speaking of that, I put the ammo catcher on my rifle, I've not looked closely at it yet, but I've not noticed where the brass goes. how do I get it out?
So I found another solar powered car, ripped out the solar panels from that to replace the two damaged ones on the one I'm trying to get running, but once I'd hauled them there in my shopping trolley and went to install them, I realized I didn't have enough Mechanics skill. damn.
pisskop mentioned a bubble, I assume the battery has to be close enough to the solar panel to charge? on one side of the car the good solar panel is sitting ontop of a damaged battery, and on the other side the damaged solar is ontop of a good battery, I tried switching the batteries around, but after taking both storage batteries off, it's not letting me choose which battery to slot back in, and they're too heavy for me to move, out of range. it keeps putting the damaged one on the left and the good one on the right. pah. there must be some order that I'm missing.
one thing I'm going to try is making a little cart/trolly with my telescopic lift thingy on it, and a small gas motor and alternator, wheels etc, and charging the solar car with that maybe a dome light and a small storage battery for my light at night problem? maybe I could even turn the existing car into a hybrid? is a mower engine enough for that?
I figured out how to batch make stuff, problem with that is if the fire goes out or you loose light, you get nothing.
Post by: azmodean on April 19, 2018, 08:10:24 pm
Perhaps it's possible to teach the smarter monsters (ie not zombies) to seek cover when faced with guns. This would let you make guns realistically accurate in skilled hands, but not all-defeating.That's certainly something to look into, but it doesn't solve the main issue of defeating all the zombies trivially.
I also think you might focus on "end game" players a bit too much? I haven't played cata very extensively, and the characters I've had have never really found usable guns. I'd like to think that if I'm a survivor just working with what I can get, finding a working gun with ammo should be a big thing.No context on how early game you are, are you making it into towns where you can loot shops that have guns, or are you just exploring the outskirts of towns? If it's the latter, that's pretty much working as intended, guns are supposed to be very strong (and despite complaints about effective range, they *are* very powerful within that range), so they tend to spawn in relatively dangerous areas.
Options for reigning in gun power once ranges are extended:
Hordes attracted to gunfire is the top contender, but that's been stalled for quite a while, we can't count on that for a short-term fix.
Harder to kill enemies is pretty promising, but has shortcomings depending on how it's done.
Enemies taking cover only works for smart enemies, and is gated behind meaningful cover as a game feature, so also not short-term.
Enemies with more HP is somewhat promising, but is also kinda gross from a ui point of view since the aiming interface isn't particularly fast, it needs to be streamlined before making monsters soak significant numbers if bullets is a viable option.
Giving enemies hard-to-hit weak points (shoot zombies in the brain, shoot regular animals in organs without hitting bone) seems like an interesting middle path, making the target you have to hit effectively much smaller while leaving guns more reasonably accurate. Ideally this would scale differently per monster type, zombies might take almost no damage if it isn't delivered to vitals, natural animals would be susceptible to shock, and therefore more vulnerable to not-perfect shots. This also has the benefit of trivializing encounters once a player becomes overpowered for it, unlike high HP across the board.
Making guns/ammo rarer.
Reducing numbers of guns/ammo across the board is a pretty hard sell outside of a "UK mod" or similar, the current reality is that the setting (USA!) is absolutely saturated with guns and ammo.
What *does* make a lot of sense is positing that most easy-to-loot guns, and especially ammo, have been, leaving most off the ammo concentrated either in difficult-to-loot areas or possessed by NPC factions.
Hope that clarifies some things.
Post by: Akura on April 19, 2018, 08:11:58 pm
I figured out how to batch make stuff, problem with that is if the fire goes out or you loose light, you get nothing.
Is that a recent change? Because I remember batch-making working if the fire goes out.
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 19, 2018, 08:27:41 pm
I figured out how to batch make stuff, problem with that is if the fire goes out or you loose light, you get nothing.
Is that a recent change? Because I remember batch-making working if the fire goes out.
They finally decided to break that? Without adding the ability to tend to the fire automatically, which was universally regarded as a prerequisite for that?
Post by: se5a on April 19, 2018, 09:00:43 pm
Enemies with more HP is somewhat promising, but is also kinda gross from a ui point of view since the aiming interface isn't particularly fast, it needs to be streamlined before making monsters soak significant numbers if bullets is a viable option.
I kind of like the aiming interface, being able to steady is really neat feature, it'd be nice to take it one step further and allow steadying before targets are in viable range, ie around a corner out of sight etc.
Though yeah I can see how it could get tedious with a lot of rounds going down range.
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Giving enemies hard-to-hit weak points (shoot zombies in the brain, shoot regular animals in organs without hitting bone) seems like an interesting middle path, making the target you have to hit effectively much smaller while leaving guns more reasonably accurate. Ideally this would scale differently per monster type, zombies might take almost no damage if it isn't delivered to vitals, natural animals would be susceptible to shock, and therefore more vulnerable to not-perfect shots. This also has the benefit of trivializing encounters once a player becomes overpowered for it, unlike high HP across the board.This would work best with a DF-like system where you could dismember or pulp body parts of targets with enough damage, though I expect that would be a lot of work to implement, and you might have to do even more to the aiming UI as well, unless you have some sort of system where you automatically aim for the right spot depending on the target (maybe that could be another system, learning what to aim at depending on the critter? from butchering and reading notes?)
Unless it did make part of it and I didn't notice, the UI definitely doesn't tell you.I figured out how to batch make stuff, problem with that is if the fire goes out or you loose light, you get nothing.
Is that a recent change? Because I remember batch-making working if the fire goes out.
They finally decided to break that? Without adding the ability to tend to the fire automatically, which was universally regarded as a prerequisite for that?
Single long jobs are also problematic. I've failed making a hacksaw twice. should have looked at the time to do it and how much light left in the day before I started.
these things need to consume the resources when you start, and create a Partially Made[Item] that you can action to keep working on.
Post by: duckman on April 19, 2018, 09:07:04 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 19, 2018, 09:17:59 pm
How about giving certain monsters a modified version of the "PLASTIC" flag, like amoebic molds, specifically targeting ranged attacks? A special condition can be added so damage reduction is ignored/reduced when a critical hit(for headless things) or head-shot is landed.Separating bullet damage from sword damage would be nice . . . both are [cutting]
Post by: se5a on April 20, 2018, 12:23:15 am
what do you like making? I've found short term,
Meat Pizza seems fairly good bang for buck, coming out at 100 nutrition per slice of meat, esp if you've got a bunch of Italian seasoning or wild herbs sitting around.
Pelmeni also doesn't seem tooo bad at 96N and have flour.
Hamburgers though, a whopping 120N, a slice of meat, only take 8min to make, though you do need 2 bread, only lasts a day though.
Pizza wins on enjoyability though, 10E and you get 4 slices. vs Pelmeni's 6E at 2 portions. and Burgers 4E * 4portions.
Longer term storage cooking I've not figured out yet, as many of the results can be used again in shorter term recipes. cooked acorn meal seems pretty good though.
Post by: IcyTea31 on April 20, 2018, 02:38:48 am
Has anyone made up a sortable spreadsheet thing of the different foods and how much total nutrition vs shelf life, vs time to make, Enjoyability Quenchable etc?http://cdda-trunk.chezzo.com/consumables
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Longer term storage cooking I've not figured out yet, as many of the results can be used again in shorter term recipes. cooked acorn meal seems pretty good though.Pemmican. 296 nutrition in a very compact package for 2 blocks of tallow, 2 slices of meat and 2 veggies.
Post by: Sheb on April 20, 2018, 04:27:40 am
Reducing numbers of guns/ammo across the board is a pretty hard sell outside of a "UK mod" or similar, the current reality is that the setting (USA!) is absolutely saturated with guns and ammo.
What *does* make a lot of sense is positing that most easy-to-loot guns, and especially ammo, have been, leaving most off the ammo concentrated either in difficult-to-loot areas or possessed by NPC factions.
Hope that clarifies some things.
Is it that hard to imagine? I mean, I'm sure the average US home has more than 2 t-shirts and a bag of crisps in them. Same for supermarkets that contain very little food compared to what you'd expect IRL. A supermarket should have enough food to sustain a player for months or years, but that wouldn't be fun, so there is a precedent for reducing the commonality of something below what is realistic for gameplay reasons.
Alternatively, we could assume a lot of the ammo has been shot and limit ammo more than guns.
Post by: King Zultan on April 20, 2018, 04:55:09 am
I put the ammo catcher on my rifle, I've not looked closely at it yet, but I've not noticed where the brass goes. how do I get it out?The casings should be going in to your inventory.
pisskop mentioned a bubble, I assume the battery has to be close enough to the solar panel to charge?He's talking about the reality bubble it means that you have to be near to car for the batteries to charge, the batteries can be anywhere in the car and still charge.
one thing I'm going to try is making a little cart/trolly with my telescopic lift thingy on it, and a small gas motor and alternator, wheels etc, and charging the solar car with that maybe a dome light and a small storage battery for my light at night problem?This is one of the first thing I always make in game they are very useful, but instead of using the dome light you could use a headlight as it will give you more light to work with.
maybe I could even turn the existing car into a hybrid? is a mower engine enough for that?The mower engine is good if you only use it to charge the battery, other wise you will not be getting any where fast.
Post by: Sheb on April 20, 2018, 05:28:23 am
pisskop mentioned a bubble, I assume the battery has to be close enough to the solar panel to charge?He's talking about the reality bubble it means that you have to be near to car for the batteries to charge, the batteries can be anywhere in the car and still charge.
To be a bit clearer: the game only simulate what's happening in a radius around the player to avoid grinding to a halt. This area is referred as the "reality bubble". If you go too far from your car, the game won't simulate it charging.
Post by: se5a on April 20, 2018, 06:26:16 am
Has anyone made up a sortable spreadsheet thing of the different foods and how much total nutrition vs shelf life, vs time to make, Enjoyability Quenchable etc?http://cdda-trunk.chezzo.com/consumablesQuoteLonger term storage cooking I've not figured out yet, as many of the results can be used again in shorter term recipes. cooked acorn meal seems pretty good though.Pemmican. 296 nutrition in a very compact package for 2 blocks of tallow, 2 slices of meat and 2 veggies.
oh wow, nifty! that's what I was after.
Looks like Lasagne is a real winner if you're eating it right away. it even gives a lot of quench.
RE: fuel for fire, I took a quick squiz at the code, my cpp is not that hot and I didn't find the actual function, but from comments in the data structs and the json files it appears that putting multiple bits of wood in the fire at one time will Just make the fire burn hotter not longer, a bit of experimentation found that a single splinter will burn for about half an hour, I surmised that a 4x2 should burn 6 times longer if it's based on volume, but it burned for less than 2 hours - enough to make one sausage and then fail on the second one.
I did find the code for making charcoal and thats *is* based off volume, so in theory a big log is better than lots of splinters, assuming that you get less volume of splinters when you chop it all up than what the log was (10).
I've not had any problems with it going out now I've got an indoor fireplace, so my previous problems with that were likely rain related.
RE: Casings yeah they went into my inventory when I removed the mod from the weapon.
Ah the reality bubble, I thought I read somewhere that it retroactively charged them? I know I read that funnels do this, and from what I can tell that is working.
Does a headlight use the same power as a dome light? headlights are pretty bright.
Post by: scourge728 on April 20, 2018, 06:28:52 am
Post by: King Zultan on April 20, 2018, 06:59:11 am
Does a headlight use the same power as a dome light? headlights are pretty bright.I just went and looked at the json and according to them the dome light uses 25, the headlight uses 187, the floodlight uses 1500, and the aisle light uses 75, so given those numbers I would use the aisle light as it gives more light then the dome light but not as much as the headlight, also I would recommend using a car battery as it has a larger power capacity then the small storage battery.
Post by: se5a on April 20, 2018, 07:51:08 am
I just found an AR-15 with a full clip. nice I was just about out of rounds on the M4A1 this was a nice find.
Question is, should I keep the M4A1 or switch to the AR-15? looking at the numbers the AR has slightly more damage, and slightly better accuracy at mid range (or rather the careful aim is range 4 vs the M4's 3) however it takes longer to aim. once thing I don't quite understand there though, is that the AR-15's *base* aim speed is a lot lower (lower is good right? the ui has it highlighted green when I shift I compare them so it must be?) yet the aim times are worse.
the dispersion is a lot lower on the AR too, not quite sure what that means.
Post by: Egan_BW on April 20, 2018, 08:03:22 am
clip
ITSA MAGAZINE
*screams*
*runs away flailing wildly*
Post by: n9103 on April 20, 2018, 08:42:25 am
Assuming there are no red dots or holo sights, etc, I'm not sure why the M4 would aim slower, though the AR15 should be more accurate after aiming, which should take (relatively) longer.
The dispersion should be a reference to the expected bullet spread, and given the M4s shorter barrel, I would expect it to have a larger spread than the AR15. At short distances this shouldn't be very significant, but at >200 yds, this can be several inches, even on perfect shots.
Post by: Arbinire on April 20, 2018, 09:40:49 am
Re: gun accuracy/range, this is the current discussion https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/22753
tl;dr I've proposed two approaches, but haven't had time to implement one:
Plan A: retune for the longest ranged guns (sniper rifles) in the hands of a highly skilled player hitting "reliably" at a range of ~100 tiles (yes that's off the map). Also increase the degree of overlap in effective ranges, which keeps e.g. pistols from being squished down to a ridiculously short range.
Plan B: retune for max effective range as close to IRL ranges as I can find sources for, which puts hitting "reliably" at 1,000+ tiles for the upper echelons of weapons.
Both plans make most guns "infinitely" accurate in the hands of an upper-tier player, and also make robots/npcs/turrets EXTREMELY dangerous on open ground.
There are ways to get this working. I am by no means an expert shooter. I can count on both hands the number of times I've shot guns but I live right next to Ft. Lewis and have quite a few military and former military friends. Having shot an AR-15, SKS, and AK47 I can hit a target with no training between 100-200 yards no problem, but couldn't hit the bullseye at all. I'd say a good way to emulate that would be calculating the damage of the bullet subtracting range equating to damage dealt with more "accurate" rifles and character skill mitigating the damage loss. Also moving targets changes up things a bit, but skilled marksmen and hunters aren't aiming at their targets, they lead them which is making an educated guess where their target will be.
When it comes to NPC humans I'd say it should work similarly. Robots and Turrets though would have the problem of aiming at their target instead of leading it, even with sophisticated AI, which could translate into mitigated damage and less accuracy. Just something to think about.
Post by: Damiac on April 20, 2018, 12:30:34 pm
I figured out how to batch make stuff, problem with that is if the fire goes out or you loose light, you get nothing.
Is that a recent change? Because I remember batch-making working if the fire goes out.
They finally decided to break that? Without adding the ability to tend to the fire automatically, which was universally regarded as a prerequisite for that?
Look dude... I generally enjoy reading the content of your posts, and I think you raise good points and valid complaints... But it's obvious you have a grudge against Kevin and like to try to stick it to him every chance you get. It looks petty and makes the thread less pleasant. Kevin doesn't control these forums so there's no reason to treat him differently from any other poster you disagree with.
I know you and others have explained that you feel you have good reason for the bad feelings, and obviously you've got the right to have whatever opinion you want. But Kevin isn't holding any contributors hostage (that I know of), he's not stopping anyone from cloning the code, so it seems like this is a "Shit or get off the pot" situation. You say it'd be hard to get people to switch over, well I guess that means they're not as unhappy with Kevin as you think they are, at least not enough in their minds to warrant the effort. I mean... your complaint seems to come down to the fact that since Kevin started the CDDA project he's got all the inertia behind him, and it's hard to overcome that and get people to move over to a different code base. Well.... tough luck? It's easy to say "If that stupid Tesla guy didn't invent/popularize AC power then I could have, then we wouldn't have been stuck with the decisions he made that I disagree with". I mean... maybe? But that's not how it is.
And I want to stress, I'm not saying shut up, I'm not saying go away, you say interesting things and know a lot about this project. I'm just saying the Kevin bashing is a bit much, we all get it, and plenty of people share at least some of your opinions about disappointment in some of the development choices. In fact, since you can usually clearly explain both what you see as the issue and you understand the code well enough to make informed statements on it, you're a pretty valuable resource to any discussion about how people might want the game to change.
I mean, I know corrosivechains indicated he's got some pretty sore feelings toward Kevin for much of the same reasons as you, but his posts are mostly about the actual stuff being discussed, he's not just taking potshots at Kevin at every available opportunity. And if your goal is to convince others of your opinions, it's probably backfiring, you're making Kevin seem more sympathetic every time you attack him.
Sorry for trying to play mini-mod, but I feel like I helped start this latest round of fisticuffs, so I feel somewhat responsible to try to steer it in a good direction.
Post by: pisskop on April 20, 2018, 12:40:07 pm
You did it politely and with plenty of articulation. The CDDA gitteam has had its share of arguements. Time to rent of of that headspace to something other than CDDA?
Post by: Rince Wind on April 20, 2018, 12:58:06 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 20, 2018, 01:01:45 pm
Speaking of, I've gone and updated my own mod. Bug-free, or not crashing at least. noticed they did something to ants though. What are the newest changes, since about thanksgiving last year? guns still worthless to a unskilled char?
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 20, 2018, 01:14:42 pm
Look dude... I generally enjoy reading the content of your posts, and I think you raise good points and valid complaints...
That...honestly that was more a "wait did they really?" without it being an explicit cheap shot at Kevin specifically. I still haven't confirmed if this bug even exists, let alone who would've done it.
In fact if I recall, Kevin is among those various others who have agreed that fixing the fire exploit requires the ability to tend to said fires. This was more an incredulous reaction than anything else.
As for the rest of that, the reasons why no one is doing the "start my own" thing have been outlined already.
Post by: Damiac on April 20, 2018, 03:41:50 pm
The driving in this game is weird, but honestly, it's a pretty damn good system for a turn based game that wants to try to simulate the momentum inherent in vehicles.
Turning on the heading indicator is necessary for your sanity. I believe it's off by default.
Driving is accomplished as follows: Get in the car and in control, it needs controls and a seat for this. Then you can increase/decrease the throttle (or is it target speed?) Changing speed does not take turns or move time.
On the other hand, steering does move time. If you want to drive straight just press the 'wait' button. When you first start, you'll lose control a lot, especially at higher speed. Losing control seems to cause the vehicle to steer in a random direction, and some time passes.
Once you get your driving skill up a bit, then losing control doesn't happen as often and you can drive faster safely. Remember the car is always chasing the heading indicator.
Also remember when you want to stop, first STOP THE CAR by setting the speed to 0 and waiting until it's stopped. Only then do you release the controls or turn the car off. Otherwise it's still moving, and bad things will happen if you get out.
All vehicles work this way, including bicycles. I like it a lot, but it is... weird.
Post by: se5a on April 20, 2018, 04:24:27 pm
so I built a bike with a bit of storage, and a 4.5L inline engine. first time I jumped on it said something about it being too heavy for the engine, but it seems to go ok (I stuck a bunch of tools and stuff in it before moving) is the overweight going to cause problems? where do I see the weight?
so I found a Mega Store...
they just keep coming, and coming... and... omg where does it end? how many do I have to kill?
(do they just keep spawning endlessly or is there a set limit?)
Post by: pisskop on April 20, 2018, 04:25:47 pm
But, they can see you.
Post by: se5a on April 20, 2018, 04:48:05 pm
I did get a massive swarm after me, and I started running away a bit, they really noticed when I turned my head torch on.
fortunately I'm quick and fleet footed, ran around the corner, and half of them got distracted by a cat.
I went right around the building and jumped on my bike and took off, I'd have stayed and killed a couple more of them, the steel spear seems to be fairly efficient at killing the basic Zed as long as you don't get swamped all at once.
However it was past 1800, I managed to get back and in the door of my house just as it got dark, didn't even have to use the headlight.
There was a point there if I'd had that grenade I found on me, I would have used it, they were quite well packed. might have to make some Molotovs and go back there.
I guess I could just burn the whole thing to the ground if I can't kill them all.
Post by: scourge728 on April 20, 2018, 04:55:12 pm
B. So there was a moose around my base for awhile, and since the last time I had fought a moose I died horribly, I had been avoiding it, but this time it decided to attack, at which point I proceeded to kill it instantly..
C. I think at least part of my driving issue is how weird it looks in the graphics pack, I have similar problems with dragging furniture around
D.I still can't get the crafting ingredients list to scroll down, nor can I get the list of systems installed in a spot to scroll down...
Post by: Darkmere on April 20, 2018, 05:34:30 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 20, 2018, 06:50:32 pm
yea, can confirm the interrupt crafting. Should save your place, but idkI figured out how to batch make stuff, problem with that is if the fire goes out or you loose light, you get nothing.
Is that a recent change? Because I remember batch-making working if the fire goes out.
They finally decided to break that? Without adding the ability to tend to the fire automatically, which was universally regarded as a prerequisite for that?
Post by: scourge728 on April 20, 2018, 08:05:08 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on April 20, 2018, 08:48:47 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 20, 2018, 08:53:39 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 20, 2018, 09:20:27 pm
yea, can confirm the interrupt crafting. Should save your place, but idkI figured out how to batch make stuff, problem with that is if the fire goes out or you loose light, you get nothing.
Is that a recent change? Because I remember batch-making working if the fire goes out.
They finally decided to break that? Without adding the ability to tend to the fire automatically, which was universally regarded as a prerequisite for that?
Oof. Report it then. Because that is a seriously playability problem.
It's really hard not to make a cheap shot now given, again, if the exploit was INTENTIONALLY fixed, whoever did so did not think about the whole "you literally have no control over keeping the fire going" thing.
Like it or not, that was a mistake on their part.
Post by: se5a on April 20, 2018, 10:55:15 pm
I then lead a small swarm to the pits, went around them and let them come to me, then sat and poked them with my steel spear as they fell into the pits.
problem is now, I don't think I can butcher them, unless there is a way to butcher while not standing on it?
There's defiantly a necro there somewhere. since a couple that I didn't get a chance to butcher on my first encounter reanimated.
Post by: §k on April 21, 2018, 12:11:51 am
The fire change is not good, unless someone makes the UI for auto-fueling, or auto-fire-starting when there is a safe and dry fireplace and it is dark and you need light or fire - then that's better than before.
I guess making UI must be the most boring or complicate part of developing, so we can't blame people for not wanting to do that.
Post by: duckman on April 21, 2018, 01:44:01 am
A. Poor catThey're probably just following the sound of the cat. Zombies don't actually aggro on things below a certain size, which is probably to keep you from chasing squirrels(same size as cats in Cata last I checked) into town and watching entire hordes miss it for hours even once they had it surrounded.
B. So there was a moose around my base for awhile, and since the last time I had fought a moose I died horribly, I had been avoiding it, but this time it decided to attack, at which point I proceeded to kill it instantly..
C. I think at least part of my driving issue is how weird it looks in the graphics pack, I have similar problems with dragging furniture around
D.I still can't get the crafting ingredients list to scroll down, nor can I get the list of systems installed in a spot to scroll down...
As for vanilla moose, they really aren't all that tough once you have a bit more than the bare-bones at the beginning. They're huge (easy to hit) and most of their natural armor is against blunt damage, so even a sharp rock is a decent weapon if you have a relatively safe space to cook it afterwards. At least one mod gave them the brute's smash attack though, iirc, so no guarantees we're talking about the same moose.
For the crafting menu, I think [m]ode lets you scroll but it's a bit clunky.
Post by: se5a on April 21, 2018, 01:56:29 am
Post by: scriver on April 21, 2018, 10:47:59 am
I dug a bunch of deep pits and lead a bunch of Zeds from the mega mart into them, one of them was filled with glass shards even, didn't have the shards on me to do more than one.
I then lead a small swarm to the pits, went around them and let them come to me, then sat and poked them with my steel spear as they fell into the pits.
problem is now, I don't think I can butcher them, unless there is a way to butcher while not standing on it?
There's defiantly a necro there somewhere. since a couple that I didn't get a chance to butcher on my first encounter reanimated.
You can pulp adjacent zombies with the
Edit: brackets screwed up the code stuff
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 21, 2018, 12:27:45 pm
Post by: se5a on April 21, 2018, 11:27:33 pm
I cleared the building and butchered everything, never found the necro, unless they were just re animating on their own. seems unlikely though, there were quite a few doing it at fairly regular intervals.
They didn't seem all that good at seeing me inside the dark building when my light was off, I've got the low scent perk which maybe was helping with that.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 22, 2018, 01:18:42 am
Post by: Rince Wind on April 22, 2018, 02:21:24 am
Post by: se5a on April 22, 2018, 05:25:54 am
I wanted to put a bed in my little solar vehicle, but I can't see the option for it in the list. I noticed that the alternator didn't show up till I'd gotten an engine down, so I'm guessing there's a prereq that I'm missing?
Is it possible to tow vehicles with another vehicle, or store a smaller one inside a larger one?
Post by: King Zultan on April 22, 2018, 06:55:24 am
I wanted to put a bed in my little solar vehicle, but I can't see the option for it in the list. I noticed that the alternator didn't show up till I'd gotten an engine down, so I'm guessing there's a prereq that I'm missing?You have to have an empty frame and a seat to put a bed in a car, if you have reclining seat in your car it in similar to sleeping in a bed in the code.
Is it possible to tow vehicles with another vehicle, or store a smaller one inside a larger one?It's not possible to tow a car, but you can make a folding vehicle that you can put in a trunk.
Post by: pisskop on April 22, 2018, 06:57:23 am
The solution? Make a fully functioning foldable car.
Post by: se5a on April 22, 2018, 04:25:40 pm
Post by: scourge728 on April 22, 2018, 04:45:09 pm
Post by: Akura on April 22, 2018, 07:29:15 pm
Post by: King Zultan on April 23, 2018, 02:54:20 am
you know what would be a nifty feature? a popup when you go to sleep that says "it's still light in here, do you want to turn off your [candle/lantern/torch/lightsource] so you don't waste candles, oil, batteries etc.I'm pretty sure that is already a thing, I think it asks about turning off lights, and mp3 players as soon as you try to sleep.
Post by: Liber celi on April 23, 2018, 03:47:08 am
Encountering a bug in the latest(?) experimental where Judo stops working despite empty hands until I save+reload after every time I wielded something
Post by: scourge728 on April 23, 2018, 06:22:31 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 23, 2018, 12:03:01 pm
I decided to transfer my char to a new world that has eternal summer, because I'm a cheater, sadly I was unable to get my shopping cart to come with, so I have to keep transferring him back and forth
Nice.
Post by: pisskop on April 23, 2018, 12:20:25 pm
Wear:
2 backpacks
2 leather backpacks
2 molle packs
2 duffel bags
2 military rucksacks
2 runner packs
2 fanny packs
2 pairs of drop pouches
2 pairs of leg drops
2 leather pouches
2 makeshift rucksacks
2 makeshift knapsacks
and a bindle
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 23, 2018, 12:27:48 pm
Post by: pisskop on April 23, 2018, 12:30:08 pm
You get around it by not getting into combat. I regularly move around my stationary bases like that, and almost always explore ice labs by bulking up and using guns.
Post by: scourge728 on April 23, 2018, 06:59:51 pm
EDIT: It appears I broke something, because it is now snowing in the summer, and I don't know how to fix it
Post by: Akura on April 23, 2018, 07:37:19 pm
Post by: scourge728 on April 23, 2018, 07:54:14 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 23, 2018, 07:55:03 pm
Post by: scourge728 on April 23, 2018, 07:57:23 pm
Wait a week, and weather will turn to normal.THANK YOU!!!!!
Post by: se5a on April 23, 2018, 08:03:32 pm
yea, can confirm the interrupt crafting. Should save your place, but idkI figured out how to batch make stuff, problem with that is if the fire goes out or you loose light, you get nothing.
Is that a recent change? Because I remember batch-making working if the fire goes out.
They finally decided to break that? Without adding the ability to tend to the fire automatically, which was universally regarded as a prerequisite for that?
Oof. Report it then. Because that is a seriously playability problem.
It's really hard not to make a cheap shot now given, again, if the exploit was INTENTIONALLY fixed, whoever did so did not think about the whole "you literally have no control over keeping the fire going" thing.
Like it or not, that was a mistake on their part.
Related to this, really need the ability to have half constructed jobs. some items just take way too long to do in a single sitting. sledge hammer for instance is going to take me 8hr 40min (and I seem to have misplaced the one I found so looks like I'm going to have to make one first thing in the morning.)
Post by: scourge728 on April 23, 2018, 08:20:24 pm
Post by: se5a on April 24, 2018, 12:00:13 am
no doubt I'll find one now that Ive made one.
I'm trying to find a welder now, or more importantly the recipe for a vehicle welder.
where am I likely to find those?
I figured the garage two towns over might be a good spot, but that had hardly anything in it.
I've now cleared two towns, and a mega mart of zeds, and got my solar car up and running. it has a RV kitchen and a chemlab in it (I found the chem lab in a 'mobile meth lab'), I'm just about ready to make that other kitchen buddy thing.
The vehicle I started off for the solar car was 4 x 6, and I'm kind of running out of room. I've put some more frames on the back, and once I've got mechanics 8 I'll stick a second electric motor in it, reinforce the front and make it wider.
Post by: duckman on April 24, 2018, 12:31:11 am
On a similar note, staring at wet concrete seems to be part of the construction time.yea, can confirm the interrupt crafting. Should save your place, but idkI figured out how to batch make stuff, problem with that is if the fire goes out or you loose light, you get nothing.
Is that a recent change? Because I remember batch-making working if the fire goes out.
They finally decided to break that? Without adding the ability to tend to the fire automatically, which was universally regarded as a prerequisite for that?
Oof. Report it then. Because that is a seriously playability problem.
It's really hard not to make a cheap shot now given, again, if the exploit was INTENTIONALLY fixed, whoever did so did not think about the whole "you literally have no control over keeping the fire going" thing.
Like it or not, that was a mistake on their part.
Related to this, really need the ability to have half constructed jobs. some items just take way too long to do in a single sitting. sledge hammer for instance is going to take me 8hr 40min (and I seem to have misplaced the one I found so looks like I'm going to have to make one first thing in the morning.)
Post by: se5a on April 24, 2018, 05:26:36 am
Post by: Akura on April 24, 2018, 05:45:28 am
I'm not an expert on sledgehammer manufacture, but I feel that 8 hours is somewhat excessive for a single sledgehammer
Maybe. Tried looking it up, one source claimed they take 15-20 hours on a knife, up to a week if they're doing it from Damascus steel, though I think they also process the raw iron themselves. Here you're trying to work with steel scrap, which may be easier depending on what you're doing. Also, you have to make the handle, which requires some effort to cut the wood right. Normally, if making something complex like a sword, multiple smiths would make different parts of it. I distinctly remember that video of a village in Africa working together to mine, smelt, and finally process some iron into hoes. It took over 24 hours of work, but most of the time was actually smelting the iron overnight.
Marginally unrelated, but here's an interesting thing I found (https://www.artofmanliness.com/2011/07/14/blacksmithing-primer/) when looking it up.
Post by: §k on April 24, 2018, 06:17:15 am
why'm I getting wet inside my car. it has a roof... at least, it has roof where I am. does it need to be fully enclosed with panels or something?
needs roof or board on 4 sides.
Post by: King Zultan on April 24, 2018, 06:54:56 am
If your in a regular car and your door is open you can get wet.why'm I getting wet inside my car. it has a roof... at least, it has roof where I am. does it need to be fully enclosed with panels or something?
needs roof or board on 4 sides.
Post by: se5a on April 24, 2018, 06:59:53 am
also here's an odd thing, went down stairs. some monsters at the bottom, went back up. they didn't follow. light a matchhead bomb, went back downstairs and dropped it to the side, went back up stairs, spammed 5 a couple of times. nothing. waited 5 min. nothing. waited 5 min a couple more times. nothing. gave up, went back down stairs and stabbed the feral runner and the spider with my steel spear. just after I'd killed them, the damn bomb went off. didn't compleatly kill me, but I'd be waiting to heal for a few days. but eh. that's ok I quick saved prior to heading down there the first time so I save scummed.
It seems like that downstairs is out of the reality bubble or something.
Post by: King Zultan on April 24, 2018, 07:26:41 am
ah maybe I'm missing panels on the back. what constitutes "enclosed?" stuff I can't walk on? do my kitchen things count?When you look at a vehicle in the examine menu it should say whether a tile of the car is in or out which means if the tile is exposed to the elements or not.
The things I remember being able to block rain are any roofs, boards, windshields, doors, and hatches, they only work if they have at least a three by three square of any of these items around one tile.
Post by: pisskop on April 24, 2018, 07:52:19 am
Post by: azmodean on April 24, 2018, 06:18:30 pm
It seems like that downstairs is out of the reality bubble or something.Correct, as long as you have the experimental z levels option off.
Post by: scourge728 on April 24, 2018, 07:17:47 pm
Post by: duckman on April 25, 2018, 04:08:20 am
So, I waited a week, but it just keeps getting colderMaybe it needs to get to the start of the next season to reset to summer? Either that or switching to eternal seasons after world gen doesn't work.
Post by: scourge728 on April 25, 2018, 07:18:07 pm
Post by: se5a on April 25, 2018, 07:55:12 pm
I've got two tanks, one with a funnel, another in the same spot as the chemlab for the tap. and I've got the foodco thingy to purify.
problem is, the funneled tank fills up with water, I can purify the tank, but there's no (easy) way to transfer the purified water out of the funneled tank into the other one, not without xfering it to another third tank not built into the vehicle.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 25, 2018, 08:02:05 pm
@scourge728, If you really wish to ignore temperatures, there is a mutation you can cheat in, just search up "debug", and one of them will nullify temperatures, I believe.
Post by: scourge728 on April 25, 2018, 08:51:34 pm
It seems simple enough to siphon it into a barrel and back into the tank you wish to have it stored in, and I dont think there is any other way, @se5a.Thank you very much
@scourge728, If you really wish to ignore temperatures, there is a mutation you can cheat in, just search up "debug", and one of them will nullify temperatures, I believe.
Post by: se5a on April 26, 2018, 01:54:15 am
and then there was the predator, couldn't get away from it. smokers too, I used to be able to take out with the longbow and metal arrows, but now I always miss.
Post by: King Zultan on April 26, 2018, 04:55:03 am
feral hunters, predatorThese things are one of the reasons I always carry a shotgun.
Post by: Arbinire on April 26, 2018, 09:59:15 am
Post by: scourge728 on April 27, 2018, 09:33:34 pm
EDIT: As it turns out, picking mutated poppies is causing it, even with a gas mask on
Post by: §k on April 27, 2018, 11:35:32 pm
Post by: se5a on April 28, 2018, 12:57:10 am
I've finally gotten a welder installed on my electric car/van thing. found a book that brought my Mechanics up to 8 and i've got two large electric motors in it, four storage batteries, a bunch of solar panels, as well as all the kitchen stuff.
I just managed to escape an evening battle where I stayed too long and it got dark on me. thought I'd gotten most of them so hung around longer than I should have. then as I started making my way back I ran into a couple of toughs, fired the head torch up which attracted a smoker, killed that, ran out of arrows and had to resort to my unsilenced rifle, that and the coughing from the smoker attracted even more, and I was out of stamina. managed to get away somehow though, killing most of them. got in my car and drove away a bit and tended to my wounds.
I've found a medic book which should bring my med up to 5. once that's done I might look at installing some of these bionics that I've collected from the zappers, brutes and technicians.
any tips on medicating myself up for this? my stats are a boring 8 across the board, I know I can increase int by smoking. (if I chain smoke will it go up more than 1?) but I need to find a drug that'll work as painkillers that wont decrease my int. how much painkillers am I going to need? I think meth will increase int too right? I've got a bit of low grade meth, and some adderall.
Is there a list of what substances do what?
also, I made the simple flamethrower, then the small pressurized tank... only to find that the simple flamethrower takes a pressurized tank not a small pressurized tank. I don't have a non small pressurized tank in my rescipies what gives?
oh and I seem to have picked up a pet cat, however whenever it follows me into the vehicle and I try drive it seems to collide with it. it destroyed my godamn kitchen unit.
Post by: duckman on April 28, 2018, 03:46:15 am
And you need a pet carrier to move pets around safely. They can also carry a lot of other small things around if you can find a way to make them friendly first, if you're into that.
Post by: King Zultan on April 28, 2018, 05:09:05 am
Post by: scriver on April 28, 2018, 06:02:56 am
Post by: King Zultan on April 28, 2018, 06:22:54 am
Post by: se5a on April 28, 2018, 07:09:33 am
doesn't look like there's anywhere on the car that'll take a pet carrier. might have to make it even bigger!
Post by: scourge728 on April 28, 2018, 07:22:41 am
Post by: King Zultan on April 28, 2018, 07:35:25 am
Post by: scourge728 on April 28, 2018, 08:01:22 am
EDIT: It appears to be a poison, as royal jelly appears to have fixed it
Post by: se5a on April 28, 2018, 04:47:36 pm
The other painkillers suppress stimulants a bit, which I presume will bring the into boost down.
I do have codeine which the wiki says is similar to the poppy painkiller, and Oxycodone, but that suppresses the stimulants quite a bit.
Post by: se5a on April 28, 2018, 07:09:33 pm
ended up using 3 codeine and snorted some meth.
7 power storage,
metabolic interchange
Infra red vision
Adrenal pump
and Thermal disapation.
I also had a glare reduction, but that one got screwed up on install, only some pain on that one though.
I was kind of lucky with some of those others at a 24% chance of screwup.
Post by: scourge728 on April 28, 2018, 07:28:56 pm
EDIT: I got what is apparently the post-threshold dream for medical, but haven't injected myself with any medical serum, times like this I wish that the forum wasn't dead
Post by: se5a on April 28, 2018, 11:01:22 pm
Post by: King Zultan on April 29, 2018, 02:07:24 am
Post by: se5a on April 30, 2018, 05:27:46 am
It's not even craftable. wtf.
so what, now I have to kill the dog or something now I want to drive somewhere? or try run away?
this is dumbananas.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on April 30, 2018, 01:05:48 pm
Post by: scriver on April 30, 2018, 03:05:46 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on April 30, 2018, 03:21:12 pm
Post by: beorn080 on April 30, 2018, 04:30:54 pm
Post by: kulik on May 01, 2018, 08:15:25 am
Post by: ( Tchey ) on May 06, 2018, 02:36:49 am
Is there a version "0.D" on the way, or it's on hold, or something else ?
Thanks
Post by: se5a on May 06, 2018, 03:09:22 am
I got to the shelter, the mission you get from the terminal at the start. but.. there was nothing there, except for the building itself. there were some rooms I was unable to get into - all the terminals were off/broken or whatever.
it said I completed the mission, but. I duno was something else supposed to happen?
I had some battles with the fungle spore tree thing, set everything on fire. the spire itself didn't die from the fire though, it just kept spawning walls next to itself.
then it rained. and overnight it spread the ground thing even further than when I started burning it. what gives?
I gave up at that point due to the rain keeping on interfering with by pyromania. also I can't find anything to use as a magazine for the simple flame thrower. can't craft the tank for that.
drove back to my starting base after that, to heal my broken arm and figure out wtf to do next.
installed a browning HMG turret on my electric car, that was kind of fun putting that in semi auto with auto targeting. then it ran out of ammo. gota look for some more 50cal.
ofc I didn't get the chance to butcher everything it killed so it ended up being kind of pointless.
I also installed a 7.62 minigun, but that doesn't go semi auto, and it's a bit bloody pointless on full auto, going to have to look for something better.
I left my car to go explore a mansion (found lots of good books in there) and when I came back, two reinforced windscreens had disappeared, along with the frame on those two spots. I'm assuming it was the turret being bugged? (it was firing now and then while I was exploring) it didn't seem to have any problems when I was with it. duno.
So my arm is no longer broken, and I'm a bit at a loss what to do, the radio says something about going west, but not how far, I'm assuming it's not just referring to the first mission (that was west of my starting point)
I've had some run-ins with turrets, they seem a bit OP, like, you can open a door and instantly die. most robots seem OP as well, anything with an automatic weapon. I've learned to open a door from the diagonal to minimize getting caught in the fatal funnel from turrets. not sure how to take out robots though, I've got no EMP weapons. and don't know how to even get them. tried a grenade, didn't seem to do much, but it's almost impossible to throw without dying so not sure how close it was to them when it went off.
Post by: anexiledone on May 06, 2018, 06:38:37 am
Post by: King Zultan on May 06, 2018, 08:02:22 am
the radio says something about going west, but not how far, I'm assuming it's not just referring to the first mission (that was west of my starting point)Its a message about a FEMA camp, the message becomes less garbled as you get closer to it, just keep heading in the direction it says and you'll find it eventually.
Post by: scourge728 on May 06, 2018, 09:07:05 am
I've had some run-ins with turrets, they seem a bit OP, like, you can open a door and instantly die. most robots seem OP as well, anything with an automatic weapon. I've learned to open a door from the diagonal to minimize getting caught in the fatal funnel from turrets. not sure how to take out robots though, I've got no EMP weapons. and don't know how to even get them. tried a grenade, didn't seem to do much, but it's almost impossible to throw without dying so not sure how close it was to them when it went off.Get a control laptop, it makes the labs go from hard to pretty much the easiest thing in the world, just have your perception high enough to spot traps, and don't get bit, and you've pretty much won, although I DO admit to teleporting into a building in the military outpost, since I tried like 30 times and kept getting destroyed by the military turrets, as A. There wasn't enough cover for me to get close enough to hack/destroy them. B. I tried the night approach but the searchlights kept me visible to them. and C. I couldn't try the vehicle approach because A. I didn't HAVE one B. Even assuming I did, I can't DRIVE them (Not the driving skill, the problem is me personally not understanding how the driving works very well. And C. Even assuming I DID have one, and COULD drive, it was surround by forest (almost entirely young trees, which appear to not provide cover) which would make it even harder. So yes I cheated
Post by: pisskop on May 06, 2018, 10:46:19 am
Post by: scourge728 on May 06, 2018, 01:39:59 pm
Post by: Ametsala on May 06, 2018, 03:06:22 pm
Hi, i didn't follow the game for a while, but i played quite a lot a couple of years ago.
Is there a version "0.D" on the way, or it's on hold, or something else ?
Thanks
0.D is on the way. No clue when it'll be released as stable, as I don't have anything to do with the project. (I just play occasionally.) Here's the changelog (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/blob/master/data/changelog.txt). (last updated three months ago, so it's a bit out of date for the latest experimentals.)
Post by: n9103 on May 06, 2018, 03:35:12 pm
So, what exactly am I supposed to do in the scenario where I can't get near enough to do anything to them, including shoot them?Get long-range weapons, accept the risk and use peek, or just make a monster truck that won't care about those young trees.
If your player skillset isn't up to snuff, you've just got to work on it.
Some things are just going to be too hard until you've gotten better at the finer details, same as any difficult game.
Post by: scourge728 on May 06, 2018, 03:55:56 pm
Was just curious if there was something I was missing, good to know there wasn'tSo, what exactly am I supposed to do in the scenario where I can't get near enough to do anything to them, including shoot them?Get long-range weapons, accept the risk and use peek, or just make a monster truck that won't care about those young trees.
If your player skillset isn't up to snuff, you've just got to work on it.
Some things are just going to be too hard until you've gotten better at the finer details, same as any difficult game.
Post by: Rince Wind on May 06, 2018, 04:20:19 pm
Post by: pisskop on May 06, 2018, 04:44:24 pm
Even though, in cdda, almost everything is solvable with proper application of a monster truck.
Post by: iceball3 on May 06, 2018, 07:19:07 pm
So, what exactly am I supposed to do in the scenario where I can't get near enough to do anything to them, including shoot them?Build a vehicle that is made of curtains, is light enough to push around, and push the wheeled wall of curtains in front of you as you advance towards the site. If you're lucky, they wouldn't have added in "see through solid walls" to turrets yet, I say this because i dunno what the current update's like.
Another approach you can do is a curtained cockpit tank with a working main gun, and an external camera installed by yourself with some electronics and mechanics skill.
There's also the LAW rocket launchers, the C4-strapped-to-RC-car technique, active camouflage, allied meat shields, attracting an undead hoard to cause the turrets to waste all of their ammunition, attracting a fungal hoard to cause turrets to waste all their ammunition, building a blind-driving car that has no exterior line of site (good luck), mining underground, time stop CBM, teleporter devices (ingame ones), obscene amounts of smoke grenades...
Have you been playing this game, even? It sounds like you've touched less than a quarter of the content and are getting frustrated that your character isn't already dynamic enough to scoot through every static obstacle they face.
Post by: scourge728 on May 06, 2018, 08:29:10 pm
Post by: se5a on May 06, 2018, 11:51:00 pm
I've lost an SMG and a Glock now. I don't know if I dropped them and forgot to pick them up afterwards, or what. I've tried backtracking my steps but couldn't find them.
Post by: Liber celi on May 07, 2018, 02:49:27 am
Post by: pisskop on May 07, 2018, 04:26:11 am
Post by: se5a on May 07, 2018, 04:55:58 am
The pistol is in a fast draw holster, till I went to pull it out and it wasn't there. both of them were fairly heavily modded too.
Post by: Sheb on May 07, 2018, 07:24:54 am
Post by: se5a on May 08, 2018, 03:33:44 am
so blade traps are pretty effective. I've started using them in narrow places then using a loud rifle to attract zeds through it.
any way to disarm and re-use it?
Post by: duckman on May 08, 2018, 09:04:31 am
something like that yeah.Pretty sure you need to tank a hit to get them back. If you find a whistle, that should save you some ammo as well, even if it doesn't draw things in from as far.
so blade traps are pretty effective. I've started using them in narrow places then using a loud rifle to attract zeds through it.
any way to disarm and re-use it?
Post by: Liber celi on May 08, 2018, 03:16:42 pm
Post by: scriver on May 08, 2018, 03:40:55 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on May 08, 2018, 05:45:24 pm
Spoiler: my experience with this game summed up (click to show/hide)
Post by: Gentlefish on May 08, 2018, 05:46:01 pm
Post by: se5a on May 09, 2018, 12:21:08 am
Post by: pisskop on May 09, 2018, 05:54:47 am
Post by: scourge728 on May 09, 2018, 06:20:42 am
Also, unless the experimentals changed it, why is the bat wing the only wing with no positive effects?
Post by: pisskop on May 09, 2018, 06:26:16 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
bat wing?
Post by: scourge728 on May 09, 2018, 06:27:16 am
Post by: duckman on May 09, 2018, 12:34:21 pm
So, you can startle yourself by making noise?Wing stubs only increase your mutation and ugliness rating, but apart from that, they have the potential to turn into one of the good wings. Ugliness (even the basic Ugly trait) also makes you scarier though, so you'll be a bit more successful with intimidation as long as you aren't past the point that mutation-phobic NPCs just try to blow your brains out on sight.
Also, unless the experimentals changed it, why is the bat wing the only wing with no positive effects?
Post by: scourge728 on May 09, 2018, 04:39:44 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on May 09, 2018, 05:51:56 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hah, of course not. I got eaten by good old fashioned zombies, just like every other time I make a character.
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 09, 2018, 07:28:05 pm
Bird wings slow your fall and prevent fall damage, insect wings let you move faster, butterfly wings give you a 50% chance to fly over pits and spiked pits and increase move speed, but bat wings only give a -3 dodge penalty, my question is why
Because bats are clumsy I guess.
Post by: Greiger on May 09, 2018, 09:22:44 pm
Back in the day most mutation options had an entirely negative possibility even in otherwise good trees. I'm not sure if that's still the case for everything but bat wings were the 'you failed the rng' extension from wing stubs.
As of why they don't work when compared to bird wings? I have no idea, I always assumed they were just heavier. I think they just had to figure out a bad version of wings and couldn't think of a good idea. I would have went with skeletal wings myself, the mutation gave you the skeletal structure of the wings but for some reason you failed to develop the webbing, making them get in the way while being functionally worthless.
Post by: AzyWng on May 09, 2018, 10:34:25 pm
I know I could use it ...
Post by: Kaitol on May 10, 2018, 12:03:38 am
Post by: se5a on May 10, 2018, 04:13:46 am
you need to get a ranged weapon as soon as possible, get a bow and keep getting a better bow and better arrows as best you can, a long bow with metal arrows can take out most zeds, a reflex recurved is even better. even wood arrows are good though. be sure to get a quiver and load it so you can get as many arrows off before your target closes on you. then drop the bow and switch to a spear, you can use that at range 2 as you run. just be careful of smoker etc zeds since they're really hard to hit with ranged weapons.
use (X) Peak lots.
have an exit strategy - through a shop with lots of counters is good, the zeds will try to go through/over in a direct line to you while you dodge around faster, and out the back exit.
get to a house and make that your base of operations, while you slowly clear the town and skill up.
I'm curious what you guys do for mass zombie killing.
Post by: Akura on May 10, 2018, 04:42:48 am
I'm curious what you guys do for mass zombie killing.
Until you get some decent skill levels as well as weapons, it's "don't".
Pick off individual zombies, run if there's more than two or three. Traps are good; I particularly like caltrops, they're easy to make with a pair of bolt cutters.
Post by: scriver on May 10, 2018, 06:16:24 am
stop dragging that shopping cart
I just upgraded from an older version and that the zombies lost the ability to climb them was the worst thing :(
There went my entire strategy. Of course, I get that it was cheesy. But it worked.
Post by: azmodean on May 10, 2018, 11:55:31 am
I feel like this is the piece most people are missing, very early, don't think about defeating the zombies blocking your path, find another psth.I'm curious what you guys do for mass zombie killing.Until you get some decent skill levels as well as weapons, it's "don't".
Post by: scriver on May 10, 2018, 12:35:34 pm
Post by: se5a on May 10, 2018, 02:57:52 pm
Post by: AzyWng on May 10, 2018, 10:30:39 pm
In my current game I immediately found my path in the shape of three mi-gos loitering on a tile in between me and the first town. I am now leading them on a path of redeath and destruction through said city and letting them deal with all the zombies.
How do you get them to not kill you? Aren't Mi-gos generally hostile to the player?
Post by: jocan2003 on May 10, 2018, 11:54:31 pm
Yeah i lost so many character to that... only have 1-2 zombie, bash them and bash, get hurt, pain sets in, soon there is 2-3-4, try to run away.. realise pain is way too high reducing my pain then get overruned and dead.I feel like this is the piece most people are missing, very early, don't think about defeating the zombies blocking your path, find another psth.I'm curious what you guys do for mass zombie killing.Until you get some decent skill levels as well as weapons, it's "don't".
Post by: scriver on May 11, 2018, 02:31:45 am
In my current game I immediately found my path in the shape of three mi-gos loitering on a tile in between me and the first town. I am now leading them on a path of redeath and destruction through said city and letting them deal with all the zombies.
How do you get them to not kill you? Aren't Mi-gos generally hostile to the player?
Very hostile, that's how I led them to zombies. You can stay ahead of them by running (toggle with 2 or "). My starting traits included Quick, Fleet-Footed and Indefatigable, but I think it should still be possible to outrun them without those. Main thing to think about is keeping unencumbered so you loose less stamina by running - I didn't even keep a backpack-ish item on me for most of the first day.
I eventually ragequitted on that game because on the third day I set a house on fire by mistake when I was making dinner and it seems several of my clothing items burned up just by being approximate to the fire, then several key items fell to the ground and took burning damage as well despite being on the street outside the house (I was hanging around because dammit I hadn't had that dinner yet) l. At that point I got pissed off and deleted the world.
It's a shame, I regret that now. It had the feeling of the start of a great run.
Post by: se5a on May 11, 2018, 04:37:10 am
pulled out that scout rifle I had sitting around, and did some experiments on a burning fungle bloom, scout rifle did 78 damage. wow. I never saw how much damage the frag grenades did, the explosive arrow did 28 iirc.
it was hard to get a good hit, precise aim took too long and I lost sight of it.
I've also finally managed to level up launchers by setting all those fungle dudes with the simple flamethrower,
I tried mountin the aux flame thrower, but everything I want to put it on has an underbarrel laser sight, and the game crashes whenever I try remove the under barrel sight.
Post by: AzyWng on May 11, 2018, 10:31:59 pm
At that point I got pissed off and deleted the world.
If you ever need to generate a world anew, try resetting it. Saves you the trouble of creating a new world and tweaking the add-ons and settings all over again.
Post by: Egan_BW on May 11, 2018, 11:54:55 pm
Post by: se5a on May 13, 2018, 06:09:05 pm
I can make black gunpowder, but I can't reload useful ammo with that.
Post by: duckman on May 13, 2018, 06:38:27 pm
I can't make gunpowder, the recipe is supposed to be in the hand-loaders helper, tao of the handgun and the chemistry textbook, all of which I have/ but the recipe doesn't show up.That was part of the old firearms nerf. Because just having hand-loaded ammo be weaker than factory grade ammo wasn't enough.
I can make black gunpowder, but I can't reload useful ammo with that.
Post by: se5a on May 13, 2018, 07:08:44 pm
Pretty sure hand loaded ammo is IRL supposed to be superior to mass produced factory ammo, if done right. or is that just sniper movie made up stuff?
Almost feels like the devs can't make up their mind whether realism trumps balance or visa versa sometimes.
The removable storage battery thing is getting to me a bit too. (seriously why should we need a separate crane for this? why doesn't the crane thats on the vehicle count? just have us need caster wheels or something as a tool)
It's like something thats supposed to be more convenient but is actually less convenient for reasons.
Post by: pisskop on May 13, 2018, 07:15:31 pm
Spoiler: THE DEATH OF BIRDKOP[ (click to show/hide)
Post by: Darkmere on May 13, 2018, 07:45:30 pm
I can't make gunpowder, the recipe is supposed to be in the hand-loaders helper, tao of the handgun and the chemistry textbook, all of which I have/ but the recipe doesn't show up.
I can make black gunpowder, but I can't reload useful ammo with that.
The reason given some time ago was being able to make gunpowder is unrealistic for your mutant chemist character who has self-installed cyborg modifications. Just about the time I lost interest in the game, for some reason.
Post by: se5a on May 13, 2018, 08:20:10 pm
That stuff is easy to make.
Admittedly it's a bit harder to make if you don't want to risk burning your house/RV down, but still, probably not as bad as making meth.
But anyway, I'd expect you should be able to fill the cartages with black powder just fine, you just might have a higher stoppage rate due to the extra fouling, and lower range/damage due to not as much power.
Post by: Arcvasti on May 13, 2018, 08:53:28 pm
I can't make gunpowder, the recipe is supposed to be in the hand-loaders helper, tao of the handgun and the chemistry textbook, all of which I have/ but the recipe doesn't show up.
I can make black gunpowder, but I can't reload useful ammo with that.
The reason given some time ago was being able to make gunpowder is unrealistic for your mutant chemist character who has self-installed cyborg modifications. Just about the time I lost interest in the game, for some reason.
I can see the gameplay reasons for not letting you make your own gunpowder. It helps solidify the differences between bows/crossbows and guns. One class is weaker, but easy to craft and the other one is stronger, but uncraftable. That said, the uncraftability of guns is already undermined enough that it doesn't make much sense to draw the line at gunpowder.
Post by: AzyWng on May 13, 2018, 11:01:13 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on May 13, 2018, 11:05:07 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 13, 2018, 11:19:43 pm
I think that you have a chance to memorize any of the recipes in the book by just reading it again.
That was removed, now you have to actually craft the thing. Because evidently human beings are incapable of memorizing a recipe unless they do it by rote.
Post by: AzyWng on May 13, 2018, 11:39:16 pm
evidently human beings are incapable of memorizing a recipe unless they do it by rote.
The exact extent of the Cataclysm’s effects are unclear...
We only know that it has affected everyone in some way.
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 14, 2018, 01:21:39 am
Post by: Liber celi on May 14, 2018, 02:40:33 am
That's a good change, because it makes learning ALL recipes an interesting challenge instead of a grind.I think that you have a chance to memorize any of the recipes in the book by just reading it again.
That was removed, now you have to actually craft the thing. Because evidently human beings are incapable of memorizing a recipe unless they do it by rote.
I always use the pre-packaged craftable guns(?) mod, so I don't feel very strongly about gunpowder. (And every character successful enough to worry about this owned a small hill of superfluous ammo anyway...)
Nitrocellulose exploding into your face now and then might be interesting gameplay, at least if it's more likely to destroy your tools and workshop than killing you outright.
Post by: AzyWng on May 14, 2018, 07:30:48 am
If I just want to, say, learn the recipient for a first aid kit, then I’d have to specifically search for disinfectant, bandages, and thread of some kind, and i’d Just have to keep the book nearby for when I finally got the ingredients. And if I’m particularly unlucky, finding the stuff could prove as big as oof an even worse grind than sitting in a room just reading.
Also, crafting that has a chance of going wrong and hurting you, while realistic, doesn’t come across as very fun.
Post by: Liber celi on May 14, 2018, 02:58:40 pm
As for trying to find ingredients and spare parts and dying: That pretty much is the game. If you just want to press the R button, safely, feel free to use any text editor.
The act of learning from books is still a grind. Would we want to have that changed/removed, too? Make it so you can only learn by doing the action in question?That's a weird jump of logic so I'll answer both of those rhetorical questions with "no?"
Post by: AzyWng on May 14, 2018, 08:30:35 pm
Also, I'll try to explain the odd jump in logic.
The way I saw the whole problem with reading was that both reading to learn a recipe and reading to train up a skill, while both have different end results, still have both the same action required to do them (that is, you sit still and read something for a few hours). This means that both actions would suffer from at least the same gameplay issues - namely, that you're standing still for several hours while you read.
What makes the fact you can read a book (thereby standing still for several hours) to train a skill okay, but the fact that you could read a book (thereby standing still for several hours) to memorize a recipe not okay?
Post by: Egan_BW on May 14, 2018, 09:34:12 pm
Post by: AzyWng on May 14, 2018, 09:56:28 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on May 14, 2018, 10:42:04 pm
The act of learning from books is still a grind. Would we want to have that changed/removed, too? Make it so you can only learn by doing the action in question?
Learning skills in C:DDA is grindy in general. With the exception of melee combat skills and maybe dodging, levelling your skills is a grind. Whether that grind consists of making curtains into shoulder straps or reading a book for hours on end doesn't really matter that much.
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 15, 2018, 10:58:11 am
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I mostly just think that cold-reading a recipe to memorize it doesn't make much sense, and it's not engaging, and you end up with recipes you don't want.
Kevin did regard the idea as "controversial" and made a separate PR out of it, but only two parts in this discussion that looked like a "nah" was:
* KA101 pointing out skills are a hassle to grind even without good recipes.
* One person, saying it'll potentially worsen the disparity between crafting skills that are hard to grind (like traps) versus easily-raised skills like survival.
Yes, at one point in the distant past, a PR could actually be referred to as "controversial" without there being a massive shitstorm on the PR page. Ah, what simple times, and I regret having become a contributor at the very tail end of those days.
EDIT: I missed KA101 making the tiny sentence that sparked the second prson's longer point. My point that this is impressively tame compared to how PR discussion i nowadays still stands.
Post by: Gentlefish on May 15, 2018, 11:26:19 am
Which is silly since a pot, fire, and water should be good enough for me, at least, to accept dirty clothes, but the interactions simply aren't there.
Post by: Eschar on May 15, 2018, 07:07:32 pm
Without prompting you (Y/N?) every (Y/N?) time.
I want to start using "Y/N?" as a minor curse word now.
Also, I've found possibly the creepiest survivor note to date, on an abandoned farm. Didn't help that the notes are written in all caps, either.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
...at least "the goo is in the water don't drink the water" has a clear meaning, but what the (Y/N?) does this one mean? If I raid a school will I find hundreds of little zombie children staring at me?
Post by: AzyWng on May 15, 2018, 09:55:22 pm
Have fun!
Oh, and if you destroy the school by, say, burning it down, you won't lose morale from killing the kids inside, though some of the kids might just turn into the burned variants, which still look like kids enough for you to feel bad about killing them.
Have fun!
Post by: Culise on May 15, 2018, 11:21:14 pm
Oh, and if you destroy the school by, say, burning it down, you won't lose morale from killing the kids inside, though some of the kids might just turn into the burned variants, which still look like kids enough for you to feel bad about killing them.
...hmmm. So, if we set a zombie dog on fire, would it convert to a hot dog?
Post by: pisskop on May 16, 2018, 05:09:44 am
Post by: azmodean on May 20, 2018, 11:32:00 pm
Post by: AzyWng on May 21, 2018, 08:29:05 am
Post by: Egan_BW on May 21, 2018, 08:38:38 am
Anyway, I'm glad that the range was increased, azmodean, even if I doubt that I'll ever actually find a gun that I can use on any of my characters.
(Unless I start as a profession that starts with one, or perhaps inside a gun store. But where's the fun in that? ;P )
Post by: se5a on May 21, 2018, 10:14:44 pm
Post by: kulik on May 22, 2018, 02:20:20 pm
Post by: Micro102 on May 25, 2018, 08:40:52 pm
Post by: azmodean on May 25, 2018, 09:08:41 pm
Post by: duckman on May 26, 2018, 12:39:39 pm
Figured I'd check out the latest version, thing is, no idea where to get it or if there are more than one 'latest versions'. Is the original link still viable? If so, how is experimental vs stable on updates? If not, where can I find the latest versions?Stable was last updated in 2015 and will probably be updated in the year we get mass produced infantry railguns irl.
Experimental is updated anywhere from every few minutes to every few hours, but you don't need to bother downloading the latest build more than once every week unless the one you currently have has particularly aggravating bugs. I think I remember there being an auto-updating version too if you really, really want to stay up to date at all times for some reason.
Post by: Micro102 on May 26, 2018, 01:30:08 pm
Current main page is https://cataclysmdda.org/ download links to latest builds are toward the bottom.
So just to doublecheck, the downloads here are experimental and not the old stables, right?
Post by: Greiger on May 26, 2018, 07:59:37 pm
[ ] cataclysmdda-0.C-7429.zip 2018-05-26 08:05 61M
[ ] cataclysmdda-0.C-7431.zip 2018-05-26 11:09 61M
[ ] cataclysmdda-0.C-7432.zip 2018-05-26 13:02 61M
In this case cataclysmdda-0.C-7432.zip 2018-05-26 13:02 would be the latest version. Released for download at 1:02 PM on May 26th 2018. While the others would be very slightly out of date versions you could download if for instance you encountered some major bug with the latest that does not have a fix available yet and wanted to go back a couple versions to a point where yer still newer than stable, but hopefully before the bug was introduced.
Those are all version 0.C the 4 digit number afterwards is (I believe) the release number after stable, so in that example the latest (should be) the 7432'nd experimental version of the game to be released after stable, and I use it as a rough estimate of how much has changed between versions.
Post by: pisskop on May 31, 2018, 09:40:45 pm
This is amazing.
Post by: Greiger on May 31, 2018, 10:31:43 pm
Post by: duckman on June 01, 2018, 02:26:18 pm
Edit: Seems someone has already reported the crashes.
Post by: azmodean on June 01, 2018, 11:22:52 pm
Post by: lastofthelight on June 02, 2018, 10:43:19 am
Post by: pisskop on June 02, 2018, 12:05:26 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 04, 2018, 09:09:54 pm
microsoft to purchase github
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 05, 2018, 01:44:01 pm
Evidently Kevin is already thinking of moving because he's a linux fanboy.
Post by: se5a on June 05, 2018, 05:19:40 pm
I also dislike microsoft enough to be running linux, and dislike apple even more.
Just don't care enough to move away from github.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 05, 2018, 05:42:56 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/23944 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/23944)
The only activity I could find in that regard is not encouraging.
Post by: Rince Wind on June 05, 2018, 05:48:10 pm
Post by: se5a on June 06, 2018, 12:42:44 am
Oof. Meanwhile I've been trying to find any progress on the whole "fire goes out, boom fuck what you were in the middle of crafting" thing.Ick. That's disappointing. Tbh though Kevin's previous suggestion that an 'partialy constructed X' entity be created that you can pick up, and continue makes more sense to me. Would have to decay for food etc. Items with its ingredients though.
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/23944 (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/23944)
The only activity I could find in that regard is not encouraging.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 06, 2018, 04:46:03 am
Ick. That's disappointing. Tbh though Kevin's previous suggestion that an 'partialy constructed X' entity be created that you can pick up, and continue makes more sense to me. Would have to decay for food etc. Items with its ingredients though.
Yeah, The issue isn't even invalid, it's just Kevin displaying his trademark over-sensitivity. Honestly I'm with literally the rest of the posters there in that Kevin is overreacting to someone who isn't being even remotely impolite in their statement.
I know impolite. A whole lot of back-and-forth between Kevin and I had both of us being complete assholes to each other, and compared to how intolerant of even polite, constructive criticism he is now, he had the patience of a goddamn saint back in the day given how long we had been at each others throats before it reached a boiling point.
Post by: Darkmere on June 06, 2018, 06:54:37 pm
Bit off topic here, of course. To get back on course- how much CPU does Cataclysm consume in general during active play? I'm wondering how many concurrent players one PC runnning Cataclysm over, say, ssh, could handle. Maybe telnet would be better...
In the name of sanity? Exactly one. Expanding the reality bubble destroys gameplay speed, and that's not even taking into account trying to craft something for 8 hours of daylight while someone else is spending a few hours clearing out a megamall one turn at a time.
Post by: Egan_BW on June 06, 2018, 07:25:56 pm
Post by: n9103 on June 06, 2018, 09:53:27 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=150212.msg6255891#msg6255891
Post by: Darkmere on June 06, 2018, 09:59:20 pm
Post by: n9103 on June 06, 2018, 11:43:17 pm
I mean, native real-time might be interesting, but probably a lot more unfun.
Post by: se5a on June 07, 2018, 12:09:53 am
players would want to make sure they craft or sleep at the same time, maybe craft while the other is sleeping or sleep while the other is crafting if you wanted to keep a lookout while sleeping. or it'd get pretty boring for the person watching the screen waiting for the time to tick past.
Post by: pisskop on June 07, 2018, 10:10:59 am
and crafting. 7 hours for a leather duster.
how do you reconcile crafting amd vehicle construction?
Post by: Gentlefish on June 07, 2018, 12:56:55 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on June 07, 2018, 04:59:44 pm
you'd almost have to allow players to desync. with so many commandd, buttons, interfaces, and the general turn based nature of the game you cannot let players run in either realtime or some analogue.
and crafting. 7 hours for a leather duster.
how do you reconcile crafting amd vehicle construction?
Just let the player wait, and make a system sound or something when they can act again. It's a computer roguelike, people can survive waiting by doing other things.
Post by: cainiao on June 07, 2018, 08:13:22 pm
When someone doing crafting, they are "Occupied" and you need to switch to another character to play.
Post by: cainiao on June 07, 2018, 08:16:40 pm
Post by: Liber celi on June 07, 2018, 11:45:21 pm
Post by: azmodean on June 08, 2018, 04:58:20 pm
https://www.patreon.com/enjia2000
Basic info:
It's a Python implementation based on DDA, to the point of copying some of the game structure and data directly.
It only runs as a client/server.
It's "real time" in that there's a game tick once a second (by default, changed in the server).
The UI and game mechanics are being heavily overhauled to enable it to work as a multiplayer game.if
Post by: duckman on June 08, 2018, 09:00:49 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 08, 2018, 09:33:39 pm
nonzed Evolutions
Dogs
Sckitszo
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 09, 2018, 12:45:51 am
That was the third or fourth time Critsy tried to dismantle that drum, because the resume feature never picked up. He only got through the 20 motherfucking hours of it because the feature bugged out and didn't stop him when the sun set.
It then swiftly resumed working to hinder his attempts at baking.
Post by: pisskop on June 09, 2018, 06:15:13 am
Post by: Gentlefish on June 09, 2018, 03:09:45 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 09, 2018, 03:11:12 pm
disassembly is not crafting though. neither is butchery/cutting
Post by: Greiger on June 09, 2018, 03:30:04 pm
Would it be a difficult task to code the game to check your light source and add ingredients to the crafting process based on that light source? If the light source is a fire, maybe add some 2x4s to the ingredients required list based on how long the crafting takes and just keep the fire burning at full strength until the crafting is done? Probably wouldn't work for specific cases like sunset, but it sure as hell would be a better solution than depending on that incredibly unreliable continue crafting prompt.
Post by: Damiac on June 10, 2018, 08:49:04 am
Once you start a task the only thing to interrupt it should be the user or getting attacked. Also the game should automatically eat and drink during the work, nobody passes out from starvation while working on something in real life.
This is the thing people complain about with "realism" resulting in gameplay which is more frustrating than reality. In real life any work I put into taking something apart stays done. Of course in real life I get bored and play video games sometimes, when I want to escape the boredom and frustration...
Until this feature can be implemented in an actually realistic and non-frustrating way, why not take the route of better gameplay? Just take a shortcut, either remove the wait, and increase hunger and thirst directly, or find some other concession that makes stuff like this not actually stupid. Then, if realism is really important, work on the realism aspects so it can be implemented realistically, including dealing with the frustrating and tedious aspects (i.e. auto eat, allowing you to pick up where you left off, etc...)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on June 10, 2018, 09:15:44 am
I wouldn't say nobody.
Post by: deoloth on June 10, 2018, 10:13:43 am
nobody passes out from starvation while working on something in real life.
You would be surprised.
Post by: pisskop on June 10, 2018, 10:42:41 am
not even; its just an example of ui lagging behind the times. archaic code os archaic.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 10, 2018, 01:10:27 pm
Then again, the last time someone pointed out why this is a problem on github, it got closed due to Kevin getting triggered.
Post by: duckman on June 10, 2018, 03:59:14 pm
FireHARDTOSHOOT seems a bit excessive for the smaller dogs. Doesn't that flag make smokers(MEDIUM) harder to hit with ranged weapons than squirrels(TINY)? Not only that, but small dogs aren't actually smaller than bigger breeds.
nonzed Evolutions
Dogs
Sckitszo
And speaking of things with that flag, giant rattlesnakes should probably be shrunk down a size since "three times as large" as a normal timber rattlesnake isn't exactly "roughly human sized" like "MEDIUM" seems to imply from all the other things that size.
Post by: Egan_BW on June 10, 2018, 04:13:38 pm
Y: pause to eat (opens up the menu where you can choose what to eat) / N: don't eat and continue crafting / Q: Stop crafting
If you pick Y you just choose something and get dropped back into crafting automatically. The UI side of this doesn't seem super hard to implement.
The light source problem might be harder to solve, because there's lots of kinds of light source. If you're using a car headlight powered by a battery and the battery runs out, it'd be hard for the code to know that the solution to this is to go and turn the pedals on the generator or whatever. This would be easier to solve by just making you stop, and giving you a "partially crafted X".
Post by: se5a on June 11, 2018, 01:41:10 am
you'd have to do the same for light and other disruptions, with a half made object it doesn't matter. just pick it up and continue after you've dealt with whatever it is. hell go sleep then finish it if you wish, or craft for only x hours then continue it another day.
Post by: Sheb on June 11, 2018, 02:14:10 am
I think making a partially made object might be the easiest way: upon starting to craft, you immediately get a "partially built X (1/Y)" where Y is the total number of turn needed. Then you can craft on it in several sitting.
Although I'm not sure how you'd implement that for say, car parts that take long to install.
Post by: IcyTea31 on June 11, 2018, 03:31:07 am
Post by: Sheb on June 11, 2018, 03:36:22 am
Post by: Egan_BW on June 11, 2018, 01:09:22 pm
Post by: kulik on June 12, 2018, 07:06:08 am
Make sure that the partially crafted object inherits any decay timer from the finished project, so you can't have a whole stack of "partially crafted cheeseburger 9/10" that will last till the end of time. :P
The McDonald's do.
(https://www.celestialhealing.net/vegetarian/pics/bionicburgers.jpg)
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 16, 2018, 05:41:18 am
The entire discussion had been basically almost every contributor thoroughly dismantling the PR author's only stated logic for this change. Coolthulhu has already weighed in on the discourse thread that this is a bad idea but he NEEDS to actually come out and say it openly on the PR page. Likewise...a large chunk of commenters are against it.
Kevin being one of the few people supporting this change does not surprise me in the least.
From http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=10444.msg244402#msg244402 (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=10444.msg244402#msg244402):
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The project isn't a democracy, no number of "me too"s or votes is going to change something we've decided on, however we listen to peoples opinions and arguments for or against things. A good reason to make a change has more impact than any number of votes.
Reminder that Kevin has become the driving force behind a change making it into the game despite SEVERAL good reasons being proposed as to why it shouldn't be done, along with a long list of sensible alternatives.
To quote Coolthulhu:
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Nerfing things by making them break faster is a great way to annoy the players without actually balancing much.
Damage nerfs, speed nerfs, crafting difficulty - all fine for balancing an early weapon.
Durability of a fast-crafted item made entirely from common ingredients - achieves nothing except annoyance.
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If actual, meaningful nerfs can’t address the problem, the problem doesn’t exist.
Fab 2 wouldn’t change anything, it’s trivial to get. I was thinking more like making it require an actual knife (or at least scissors/screwdriver) as opposed to a piece of generic scrap hammered (with a rock) into a rough spike.
As long as you can mass-craft the spears, changes to fragility are just placebo - really annoying placebo.
I'm going to be blunt: Kevin has his head up his own ass, and refuses to listen to the voices of reason.
I already predict that if Kevin actually makes a response to this, it's going to basically be "you're the one with your head up your ass" or some accusation of hypocrisy that is itself hypocritical. Because "no you" is the height of response to criticism.
Post by: scriver on June 16, 2018, 05:58:55 am
Post by: Liber celi on June 16, 2018, 06:13:55 am
What is the best way to get an absolute mountain of .50 ammunition in the game?
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 16, 2018, 06:25:32 am
Post by: AzyWng on June 16, 2018, 09:21:08 am
That's all I can really contribute to your question, really.
Post by: pisskop on June 16, 2018, 09:44:51 am
Post by: Soadreqm on June 16, 2018, 11:12:27 am
Post by: Urist McManiac on June 16, 2018, 11:25:29 am
Post by: scourge728 on June 16, 2018, 12:47:31 pm
Yeah please don't use this forum as a staging area for your wars thanks.nexus
Post by: acidia on June 16, 2018, 12:56:04 pm
So... can anybody give me a hint on how to cow? Or morespecifically: how do you get milk from them. From what I read around here, it seems like it should be possible to milk them since the introduction of dairy farms, but I've never been able to do so ingame. I've already tried - and failed - to use buckets on them and to lure them into milking stations, but that didn't seem to be the solution.
Apply a cattle fodder when standing next to them, then "e" examine them for a menu that lets you milk or make them a pack animal to carry your stuffs.
Post by: Egan_BW on June 16, 2018, 07:04:13 pm
We do not talk about theYeah please don't use this forum as a staging area for your wars thanks.nexus
Post by: pisskop on June 16, 2018, 07:11:40 pm
Obok?
Post by: Egan_BW on June 16, 2018, 07:16:26 pm
Post by: AzyWng on June 16, 2018, 09:46:14 pm
“Our developers fight each other!” Or something like that?
The alternative is implying they’re all monsters, which doesn’t sit too well with me...
Post by: pisskop on June 16, 2018, 10:09:37 pm
With 0.D around the corner we'd need a thread mod.
I vote for 'cockroaches?! In my meat?!'
Post by: Liber celi on June 17, 2018, 04:00:02 am
Enable Blazemod to get more military vehicles. Tanks often have a few hundred rounds of .50 BMG or .308 loaded to the turrets.
loot humvees. unfortunately they aren't common. bridges are decent spawn points for them
You could always use the cheat/debug menu, I guess?Thanks to you, Operation "Lead Cloud" draws ever closer.
Post by: Urist McManiac on June 17, 2018, 10:38:35 am
So... can anybody give me a hint on how to cow? Or morespecifically: how do you get milk from them. From what I read around here, it seems like it should be possible to milk them since the introduction of dairy farms, but I've never been able to do so ingame. I've already tried - and failed - to use buckets on them and to lure them into milking stations, but that didn't seem to be the solution.
Apply a cattle fodder when standing next to them, then "e" examine them for a menu that lets you milk or make them a pack animal to carry your stuffs.
Sweet, thanks! Now I just have to figure out how to lead those cows along and back to my base...
Post by: Broseph Stalin on June 19, 2018, 11:28:18 am
Post by: duckman on June 22, 2018, 08:17:53 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 22, 2018, 08:32:09 pm
The only difference is the old code that converts cutting into stabbing.
Stab armor for monsters defaults to the average of their bash and cutting damage.
Piercing tag for weapons converts cut into stab damage
Piercing is the official name for the damage type of stab/pierce.
piercing may avoid some armor, like 20%? idk. Piercing weapons tend to do less damage on average, but benefit from a few special attacks, like reach or the rapiers dodge/block/low weight/crits/stunning.
Post by: duckman on June 22, 2018, 09:46:07 pm
stab is pierce.I already know all of that. What I want to know goes deeper than that easy stuff you can find with 5 minutes of searching the wiki/GitHub.
The only difference is the old code that converts cutting into stabbing.
Stab armor for monsters defaults to the average of their bash and cutting damage.
Piercing tag for weapons converts cut into stab damage
Piercing is the official name for the damage type of stab/pierce.
piercing may avoid some armor, like 20%? idk. Piercing weapons tend to do less damage on average, but benefit from a few special attacks, like reach or the rapiers dodge/block/low weight/crits/stunning.
There are still two different damage flags in the code, STAB here:
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"id": "pockknife",
"type": "TOOL",
"name": "pocket knife",
"name_plural": "pocket knives",
"description": "This is a small pocket knife. It isn't great for combat, but it's better than nothing. It's sharp enough to butcher with.",
"weight": 141,
"volume": 0,
"price": 1000,
"to_hit": -2,
"cutting": 7,
"material": [ "steel", "plastic" ],
"symbol": ";",
"color": "brown",
"qualities": [ [ "CUT", 1 ], [ "CUT_FINE", 1 ], [ "BUTCHER", 12 ] ],
"flags": [ "STAB" ] and SPEAR Seen here:Code: [Select]
"id": "pickaxe",
"type": "TOOL",
"name": "pickaxe",
"description": "This is a large steel pickaxe, suitable for breaking up hard things or (with enough skill) hard targets. Strike the earth!",
"weight": 4535,
"volume": 12,
"price": 16000,
"to_hit": -3,
"bashing": 12,
"cutting": 8,
"material": [ "wood", "steel" ],
"symbol": "/",
"color": "dark_gray",
"use_action": "PICKAXE",
"flags": [ "SPEAR", "DURABLE_MELEE", "NONCONDUCTIVE" ].They are still explicitly different flags and I want to know if things like this:
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"id" : "krav_maga_static_edged",
"name" : "Krav Maga Edged",
"melee_allowed" : true,
"min_unarmed" : 0,
"mult_bonuses" : [["damage", "stab", 1.2]],
"description" : "Increased stabbing damage."affect the SPEAR flag now that there is apparently no difference between the damage types and whether weapons with the SPEAR flag still have a higher chance of getting stuck into targets than one with STAB.
Post by: pisskop on June 22, 2018, 09:58:19 pm
Old public code is old and public.
Bloat happens.
Post by: duckman on June 22, 2018, 10:31:10 pm
Yes. It should, as long as the weapon is on the approved list for the martial arts. stuckins should happen as often as usual for piercing weapons. Youre reading too much into it.Krav Maga only has tonfa variants in its approved weapon list so I think you're not looking deeply enough.
Old public code is old and public.
Bloat happens.
The approved list for a martial art is just so the approved weapons can be used with its techniques anyways so it isn't really all that relevant.
Edit: Additionally, it seems that the stuck-in mechanic was removed two years ago (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/24014#issuecomment-397915975).
Post by: Gentlefish on June 24, 2018, 01:54:15 pm
Post by: pisskop on June 24, 2018, 07:45:14 pm
A shame too since muskets could easily be a neat 'hit all the things for graze damage and debuffs' character. OR, make the crossbowgirl a damn tank-buster, giving her more prot-reducing.
dumb. lame. kind of nonsense. why?
Post by: AzyWng on June 24, 2018, 07:46:02 pm
I think I know what thread you should be posting in... but it isn't this one.
Are you talking about the Darkest Dungeon character?
Post by: pisskop on June 24, 2018, 07:59:03 pm
Post by: ChairmanPoo on June 24, 2018, 08:48:27 pm
OMG why would you literally make a reskin of a unique preorder character for your game, then release the preorder without modding it?Because of how the class was born. AKA: an unwise KS reward concerning a backer specific class. Devs didnt want to either give those backers content that would be unavaiable to future buyers, but they didnt want to break their word either. So the musketeer reskin of the arbalester was the compromise.
A shame too since muskets could easily be a neat 'hit all the things for graze damage and debuffs' character. OR, make the crossbowgirl a damn tank-buster, giving her more prot-reducing.
dumb. lame. kind of nonsense. why?
TBH now that it´s avaiable to everyone, I´m kind of hoping they´ll turn it into something different...
Post by: duckman on June 26, 2018, 04:25:53 pm
Maybe a better place to ask would be on the official Cata forums, wherever they are hosted now.My tests show that the stab buff doesn't actually work anyways, so I have all the information I need for now. This might be because the stab and pierce damage displays were merged and some obscure part of the code no longer recognizes that STAB flagged weapons are dealing stab damage, but I haven't rolled back to the stable to check if this is the case or if the buff never worked to begin with.
Someone also fixed that "Eye of the Tiger" bug back in April, so all* standard Martial Arts blunt and cut damage buffs should now be working as intended.
Edit: Seems like I should have upped the piercing, cutting and bashing skills a bit. The zero-skill damage penalty was throwing the direct damage testing off.
*Aside from Lizard style. That one is still in limbo.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on June 29, 2018, 12:59:13 pm
Post by: AzyWng on June 30, 2018, 08:31:39 am
What issue are you having problems with, specifically?
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 30, 2018, 12:07:58 pm
Coolthulhu at least is evidently working on unfucking that issue, but then I'd have to go to a version where bionics (which are seriously overrated unless you have EXACTLY what you want and EVERYTHING that supports them) are endgame content, where rotten food spawns improbable hordes of roaches that eat whatever doesn't rot, and where far more things will generate hordes of giant roaches.
I'm finding it harder to find anything I actually like about the latest builds. Coolthulhu is basically the only developer working on things that actually make the game fun.
Post by: acidia on June 30, 2018, 12:36:24 pm
It doesn't make sense how it is happening based on their generation rates unless you spread each rotting item into a different tile and had all of it rot away at the same time before the carrion feeders eat the other items... Then you are looking at a 20%(?) chance of a spawn on a tile and it'll more than likely be a tiny nymph.
I'm not saying you're full of shit but I'm wasting my free time looking into these reports.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 30, 2018, 02:05:42 pm
I'm not saying you're full of shit but I'm wasting my free time looking into these reports.
This is based on what others have claimed, so... :V
I mean "one giant roach spawns in a sealed room despite the object not providing enough biomass to allow this, and it empties your food store" is itself a pretty idiotic way to lose a stockpile of food. Not to mention unrealistic.
The main instance I can see this horde scenario occurring is when you clear out a horde of undead. Can you imagine the sheer mind-numbing tedium that burning every body in a city would entail? Or better yeah, smashing it all, butchering the cybernetic zeds, butchering everything else, and THEN hauling the zombie gibs around where the remains can all be burnt?
Post by: acidia on June 30, 2018, 02:16:20 pm
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This is based on what others have claimed, so... :VDude, I've been checking up on Aavak and Rycon along with the discord, somethingawful, and here and I haven't seen anyone running into anything even remotely resembling a horde of cockroaches. Please send me a link to said description so I can find out what is going on.
How many air tight rooms do you think are left after the cataclysm? Labs still have ventilation systems, a small hole in the drywall may not even be noticeable to a player, not to mention ceiling vents. We decided that sealed containers won't generate carrion spawn and that's good enough.
Why would you even burn every body? If you can deal with hordes you can deal with scavengers.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on June 30, 2018, 02:54:36 pm
I don’t have zombies trying to bite my eyes out, so my experience with eyeglasses off hasn’t Bremen that bad. Then again, I’m in the same boat as you.Sorry I wasn't clearer: I think the glare mechanic is weird. You are less perceptive when you are in normal sunlight without eye protection? That's like the default state of things, it's the environment where our eyes are supposed to function. The description for makeshift sunglasses really highlights the problem- their traditional to the Inuit not to every single group of humans ever. The Inuit made them because snow blindness will fuck you up, not because our eyes evolved for use on some other planet.
What issue are you having problems with, specifically?
I like to keep my curtains closed because I have neighbors and hate being clothed. In cataclysm I would be incapable of reading or complex tasks basically always. I get the argument that no matter how sensitive your eyes are if there's no light there's no light but why is it that an abomination mutagenic super-science and futuristic bionic implants can't read with the blinds drawn? It isn't realism, it isn't balance, it isn't fun. The entire system could be retooled and fixed but I don't even really get why it's there, why isn't it acceptable that the principal barrier to players crafting at night is the fact that it's easier to find your way around in the day time?
It's not even big things but when I notice someone spent effort to make things slightly less convenient then I can't help but notice that nobody thought NPC's should be able to help with disassembling things or that there should be a way to replace a roof/floor without taking a pickaxe to it and risking a total collapse. If it's not about realism or gameplay is it just about dicking the player?
... We decided that sealed containers won't generate carrion spawn and that's good enough.I didn't know this but it does make me a little annoyed that I can't put solids into containers.
Post by: acidia on June 30, 2018, 03:01:29 pm
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I didn't know this but it does make me a little annoyed that I can't put solids into containers.Don't be, any furniture that prevents rotten items from disappearing is also airtight/won't gen carrion. I think that is just fridges?
Post by: Broseph Stalin on June 30, 2018, 03:12:14 pm
Don't be, any furniture that prevents rotten items from disappearing is also airtight/won't gen carrion. I think that is just fridges?That's actually cool but you can't build fridges or move furniture into vehicles so you have to haul them by hand to your base? I'd feel a lot better if I it was something I could make. I guess maybe mini fridges but the storage is a little low, especially with the new "immortal food" thing.
Unrelated: I just realized that by putting some foot pedals on an alternator in my mobile base I can jump start the battery just by pedaling in place for a little.
Post by: Sheb on July 01, 2018, 07:02:14 am
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 01, 2018, 08:04:25 am
Just to let the word out, Acidia's been working on a player-controlled base/faction (https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/spoilers-your-base/9737/26), and has made a lot of headway recently. If things go on smoothly, it probably won't be long before this makes a functional release.
So, anyway. Bug time. The player can instruct NPCs dig trenches right through the base tiles, leaving them unworkable. Much worse if ran through headquarters, as it breaks missions entirely.
EDIT: Whoops. Fixed link.
Post by: scriver on July 01, 2018, 08:09:55 am
@ShinQuickMan, that link is broken unfortunately (but thanks for the good news!)
Post by: acidia on July 01, 2018, 09:30:45 am
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So, anyway. Bug time. The player can instruct NPCs dig trenches right through the base tiles, leaving them unworkable. Much worse if ran through headquarters, as it breaks missions entirely.
Thanks, I actually ran into that one a couple days ago but I plowed through a house. So close to being able to have it dig trenches up to thee walls of the house and let the player fortify the inside... the problem is that I'd have to make a giant list of all the terrain types its allowed to write over vs the terrain types that it isn't. Do-able for for v1.0 I just had it cancel if there are terrains other than fields, forests, or swamps.
Also noticed that I inverted the planting temperature check for the farm, but I'm not sure I even have that on the version you are using.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on July 01, 2018, 03:08:23 pm
Oh, snap, Acidia's here.Looks awesome enough to teach myself how to compile it.
Just to let the word out, Acidia's been working on a player-controlled base/faction (https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/spoilers-your-base/9737/26), and has made a lot of headway recently. If things go on smoothly, it probably won't be long before this makes a functional release.
So, anyway. Bug time. The player can instruct NPCs dig trenches right through the base tiles, leaving them unworkable. Much worse if ran through headquarters, as it breaks missions entirely.
EDIT: Whoops. Fixed link.
Edit: Gave up. Anyone who includes the phrase "do it the normal way" in a guide should step on a lego brick (in socks but not especially thick ones).
Post by: Robsoie on July 01, 2018, 06:06:08 pm
And more NPC interactions, the better to me :)
Post by: n9103 on July 01, 2018, 07:08:35 pm
Edit: Gave up. Anyone who includes the phrase "do it the normal way" in a guide should step on a lego brick (in socks but not especially thick ones).I know those feels. Have struggled many times to teach myself the ins and outs of compiling (C:DDA in particular) on windows to little avail.
I'd say unless an in-line link to a highly-reliable source is included, they shouldn't be availed of the use of socks for that lego :P
Post by: iceball3 on July 05, 2018, 10:13:33 am
Do you think it'd be possible for terrain types to carry identifying tags to make it so that more generalized decisions can be made based on a category of terrain? For instance, all flammable terrain having a "flammable" tag that can be read to let NPCs know that they shouldn't start fires on it. Or is the terrain data structure not supporting for this kind of shenaniganry?QuoteSo, anyway. Bug time. The player can instruct NPCs dig trenches right through the base tiles, leaving them unworkable. Much worse if ran through headquarters, as it breaks missions entirely.
Thanks, I actually ran into that one a couple days ago but I plowed through a house. So close to being able to have it dig trenches up to thee walls of the house and let the player fortify the inside... the problem is that I'd have to make a giant list of all the terrain types its allowed to write over vs the terrain types that it isn't. Do-able for for v1.0 I just had it cancel if there are terrains other than fields, forests, or swamps.
Also noticed that I inverted the planting temperature check for the farm, but I'm not sure I even have that on the version you are using.
Post by: Soadreqm on July 05, 2018, 12:35:00 pm
For instance, all flammable terrain having a "flammable" tagIs there actual non-flammable terrain? The last time I tried, fires would spread just as chaotically and unpredictably on asphalt and solid rock as they do on a grassy forest floor. Trying to make a fire on anything but a brazier was basically suicide, because fire spreading wouldn't stop long actions.
Post by: acidia on July 05, 2018, 01:23:21 pm
There's lots of stuff that has limited application or implementation at the moment that makes implementing new things a bit more difficult. I got a request to update the faction camp system to better support the region map default terrain types... as in if you choose the desert world where the default terrain is sand and scorched earth, the camp buildings shouldn't overwrite the local terrain with grass and dirt. I thought the desert world stuff was an experiment that no one had worked on in years and very few players even touched, but I guess they're right... There are also requests for changing and re-balancing construction times according to the world setting construction rate multiplier. Since food consumption is based on work duration, that means that would also have to be re-balanced to some factor of the season length multiplier and food consumption multiplier. On top of that there are requests to move all text to jsons for easy modding, which requires adding json support for misc formatted strings. Spending handfuls of hours ensuring support for custom settings that I've never used sucks because it feels like a waste of time.
LOL, that isn't directed at you though! Just giving you an idea of some of the things I think we could improve upon as a community. My number one goal is trying to keep the game as welcoming to new developers as possible so that the inevitable turnover doesn't result in the game dying-off. Doing a bit of math you realize that the person most likely to make huge game changing improvements to the game is someone in their early twenties with lots of time that is looking for experience working on a big project with others. I'm pretty sure most of the past major contributors have moved beyond that stage with families, careers, and other obligations. I don't work in IT nor do I have much of a computer science background so projects like this are about the limit of my ability (probably beyond it if you read some of the github comments :D ), but I am a little bit of an outlier since I'll probably never have anything better to do while on a nine month "work trip" every couple years, if you know what I mean.
Just keeping expectations to a manageable level so y'all aren't disappointed.
Post by: Sheb on July 05, 2018, 01:53:50 pm
I'll probably never have anything better to do while on a nine month "work trip" every couple years, if you know what I mean.
Frankly, I'm starting to wonder what you mean by that.
Post by: acidia on July 05, 2018, 02:03:25 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on July 05, 2018, 02:06:13 pm
Unless I'm misreading between the lines.
Post by: acidia on July 05, 2018, 03:26:03 pm
Post by: acidia on July 07, 2018, 10:59:38 am
https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/spoilers-your-base/9737/99
Post by: Altivera on July 15, 2018, 03:47:28 pm
Post by: duckman on July 16, 2018, 01:25:17 am
Post by: King Zultan on July 16, 2018, 03:15:12 am
Can plant mutants safely eat cow pies or is that still WIP?Why would you want to?
Post by: duckman on July 16, 2018, 04:44:57 am
Plant mutants already enjoy consuming liquid fertilizer(+30 morale) more than normal food, so why not?Can plant mutants safely eat cow pies or is that still WIP?Why would you want to?
I assume a non-plant survivor would probably want to turn it into actual fertilizer for their crops or dry it for fuel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_dung_fuel).
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 16, 2018, 01:04:47 pm
Why would you want to?
And thus began Coprophilia: Dung Days Ahead.
Post by: King Zultan on July 17, 2018, 10:09:50 am
Coprophilia: Dung Days Ahead.That's the kind of stuff you get when a bunch of weirdos mod the game.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on July 17, 2018, 02:45:18 pm
CBM's have also gotten a big-ish change. The player can no longer manually install them. Instead, they're required to find an 'auto-doc' to implant it for them, a fixture that can be found in hospitals and hidden in various other locations. In place of painkillers, the player needs to have anesthetics in hand, which the machine will take from the inventory. The installation procedure is fairly time consuming, and the player will be completely incapacitated for the duration. Make sure you find a safe spot before you begin. Not too clear on this, but I believe failure rates and such remain the same. Also, The Bright Nights mod still allows manual CBM installations.
Other changes:
- Restocking/preserving fuel for fires is now done automatically whenever the player is doing any lengthy action that needs heat/light.
- Bandages, disinfectants, and the like no longer heal instantaneously, but instead over a very long duration of time. Also, first aid kits no longer cure infections.
- Various structures, such as sporting stores, military surplus stores, and labs have new variations and (in the case of the latter) a more randomized design.
- New feature for smoker grill. Similar to charcoal kilns, the player can cook large batches of smokable items without oversight. Simply load the material and fuel, light the grill, then do other stuff until the product is done.
- Many farm animals and birds can now be tamed. Bird cages were also added to easily carry around chickens and other fowl.
EDIT: Whoops. Made a mistake. The smoking rack, a new item, does the food smoking action above. Smoker grills remain the same.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 17, 2018, 02:56:17 pm
CBM's have also gotten a big-ish change. The player can no longer manually install them. Instead, they're required to find an 'auto-doc' to implant it for them, a fixture that can be found in hospitals and hidden in various other locations. In place of painkillers, the player needs to have anesthetics in hand, which the machine will take from the inventory. The installation procedure is fairly time consuming, and the player will be completely incapacitated for the duration. Make sure you find a safe spot before you begin. Not too clear on this, but I believe failure rates and such remain the same. Also, The Bright Nights mod still allows manual CBM installations.
Oof. Seems kinda pointless given bionics are overall rather overwhelming unless you use the right ones in tandem.
Post by: Greiger on July 17, 2018, 03:09:22 pm
Post by: Darkmere on July 17, 2018, 04:14:33 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on July 17, 2018, 04:17:14 pm
Post by: Darkmere on July 17, 2018, 04:34:04 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 17, 2018, 05:07:48 pm
Ah, so it's the same as before except infinitely more annoying. That makes sense, then.
Except no not really because too many links.
Post by: Descan on July 17, 2018, 05:08:11 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on July 17, 2018, 05:11:56 pm
Sigged....Did you, though?
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 17, 2018, 05:15:03 pm
Sigged....Did you, though?
I was going to before I realized my sig is nothing but URL blocks, which are very hard on the character limit. :V
Post by: Darkmere on July 17, 2018, 05:18:29 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 17, 2018, 05:22:59 pm
Man. I can't remember if I've ever been sigged before. So close!
We'll see if I can finagle my chunky URL blocks to fit it. After all, it certainly sums up a large percentage of changes to CDDA as of the past 2 years.
Post by: scourge728 on July 17, 2018, 11:26:46 pm
Man. I can't remember if I've ever been sigged before. So close!Sigging this
Post by: Darkmere on July 17, 2018, 11:51:18 pm
Man. I can't remember if I've ever been sigged before. So close!Sigging this
Victory! It tastes like... freedom and raspberries.
Post by: Greiger on July 17, 2018, 11:56:38 pm
Hospitals need more reason to seek them out imo. Really all they are good for is buttloads of drugs. And you can generally get all the drugs you'll practically ever need easier elsewhere.
Post by: Sheb on July 18, 2018, 02:33:08 am
I'm also fairly certain the chances to install have been bumped up.
Post by: ZeroGravitas on July 18, 2018, 08:14:42 am
Post by: Altivera on July 18, 2018, 03:44:46 pm
Bionics you acquire from butchered corpses should need some anesthetic since they were previously installed and maybe need to be sterilized beforehand. You still need your personal skills along with something to dull the pain for operation.
Autodoc should be a (relatively) riskfree installation but could require you to spend money to use them.
Not sure if any of these ideas are reasonable.
Post by: iceball3 on July 18, 2018, 06:51:14 pm
That said, there's also another issue. That being that the design documents strictly stated that revitalization of industry was not going to happen. What happened? Apparently, devices are autonomous enough that a surgical suite that works on it's own and requires no high quality materials input can keep running no problem? But gunpowder and municipal power and the whole business is unfeasible?
Has the design doc changed recently? Or is it just being ignored because "autodoctors hehe".
If anything, the power needs of running medical suites like that alone would be comparable to capabilities to getting a small industrial base set up. The question of logistics in small scale hedge-industry is answered in the logistics of the autodoc. Same goes for the question of expertise.
Post by: vastaghen12 on July 18, 2018, 07:05:00 pm
Has the design doc changed recently? Or is it just being ignored because "autodoctors hehe".
I dont think anyone ever cared about the Design Doc, it was mostly a pr stunt . At best it represents Kevin's thoughts about some in-game issues.
Post by: Altivera on July 18, 2018, 08:45:18 pm
As part of the overhaul of replacing instant healing effects with healing over time the first aid kit got nerfed. It cant clear infections anymore.
Post by: Egan_BW on July 18, 2018, 08:47:34 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on July 18, 2018, 08:59:29 pm
@Altivera: Seriously? Even though it has disinfectants and everything?
Post by: Altivera on July 18, 2018, 09:41:33 pm
Quil18 started up a series on Cataclysm DDA and it pretty much excited me back into playing again, you can find it here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zDgkGJMzW0).I'm not a contributor.
@Altivera: Seriously? Even though it has disinfectants and everything?
Post by: duckman on July 18, 2018, 11:38:27 pm
Edit: I also told everyone about the medical supply overhaul they were planning a while back.
Since healing items seem to be getting their effects turned into an over time effect as well, what's next on the list? Alcohol? Sleep medicine? Stimulants?
Post by: Altivera on July 18, 2018, 11:59:47 pm
Post by: §k on July 19, 2018, 12:07:11 am
Post by: duckman on July 19, 2018, 12:18:43 am
Well first aid kits have disinfectant in them so I assume they can still clear bites. How much stuff in the base game can clear infections now that first aid kits cant?It's down to antibiotics, royal jelly and spontaneously developing the Infection Immunity mutation.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on July 19, 2018, 12:28:55 am
I'm personally more annoyed that autodocs are this magical monolithic fixtures, and the obvious isn't considered, which is to say, the ability to safely disassemble the thing and load it up in a truck.Why would anyone want to load something up into an enormous heavily customized truck covered in armored plating and bristling with turrets that you live in.
I mean right now I'm really enjoying the NPC base building stuff but my default play style is to find a reasonably sized car in a halfway driveable condition and slowly teach myself mechanics until I can ship-of-theseus the thing into the monstrous deathmobile that is the throne from which I command the apocalypse. Being tied down by the location of hospitals if I have any interest in bionics is kind of a pain in the ass.
Post by: Egan_BW on July 19, 2018, 01:01:53 am
Post by: AzyWng on July 19, 2018, 01:26:14 am
Well first aid kits have disinfectant in them so I assume they can still clear bites. How much stuff in the base game can clear infections now that first aid kits cant?It's down to antibiotics, royal jelly and spontaneously developing the Infection Immunity mutation.
You could also hope and/or pray that you somehow survive the infection and/or bite. I've seen that happen, too. Something like "Your bite wound feels better" or the infection just disappearing and changing to "Recovering from infection".
Post by: duckman on July 19, 2018, 02:01:51 am
I think the default chance of that is less than a coin flip, especially if you've been doing anything that might negatively impact your hidden health stat.Well first aid kits have disinfectant in them so I assume they can still clear bites. How much stuff in the base game can clear infections now that first aid kits cant?It's down to antibiotics, royal jelly and spontaneously developing the Infection Immunity mutation.
You could also hope and/or pray that you somehow survive the infection and/or bite. I've seen that happen, too. Something like "Your bite wound feels better" or the infection just disappearing and changing to "Recovering from infection".
Edit: Being Infection Resistant doubles that according to the wiki, but there may have been some changes since that was last updated.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 19, 2018, 01:04:57 pm
Apparently, devices are autonomous enough that a surgical suite that works on it's own and requires no high quality materials input can keep running no problem? But gunpowder and municipal power and the whole business is unfeasible?
Has the design doc changed recently? Or is it just being ignored because "autodoctors hehe".
Remember the core rule of CDDA development:
Realism is only worth adding if it's to the player's detriment.
Post by: AzyWng on July 19, 2018, 08:07:46 pm
Post by: Eschar on July 19, 2018, 10:13:51 pm
Remember the core rule of CDDA and DF development:
Realism is only worth adding if it's to the player's detriment.
FTFY
Post by: Rolan7 on July 19, 2018, 10:24:15 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 19, 2018, 10:30:45 pm
Okay that's mean, but... Df has definitely gotten a lot harder since ~2012. And deeper, but very rarely any more convenient.
To an extent, but a much lower proportion of changes to DF fuck with the player's enjoyment of the game versus CDDA's changes.
Post by: Egan_BW on July 19, 2018, 10:33:43 pm
Post by: iceball3 on July 20, 2018, 06:02:42 am
Remember trees? You get a crapton of logs per tree cleared.
Remember jumping? Cool new combat mechanics? Etc. Lots of cool things.
In terms of realism, we're now able to have nearby hillocks fall under our jurisdiction, be able to call dwarves from the hillocks in case you spot a skilled worker in the hills, and send away fishers and redundant soap makers if you so please. Because dwarves are now not stupid enough force risking an atom smashing for being useless.
Meanwhile in CDDA, giving autodoc half-arsed dependencies like that without actually doing anything about what the autodoc means to the world is just making a bad feature worse.
Post by: duckman on July 20, 2018, 07:35:27 am
Post by: Egan_BW on July 20, 2018, 03:00:44 pm
That's the kind of "realism" thing that would actually help the player, while still having the possibility of introducing interesting problems. (Needing to restore power before you can open the blast doors, old generator finally giving up the ghost and putting out the lights while you're fighting terrible things from the stars, shocker zombies chewing into your wiring in order to charge themselves up...)
Post by: scourge728 on July 20, 2018, 03:03:02 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on July 20, 2018, 03:05:34 pm
Post by: n9103 on July 20, 2018, 03:26:43 pm
Well, the game doesn't start just after things go pear-shaped, and my understanding is that powerplants actually kind of do just stop working if people stop maintaining them for too long.This is definitely the case.
Anywhere from several hours to several days is the expected unattended running time. (Mostly based on the type of plant.)
Since, IIRC, the game starts a week after the cataclysm, any running power plant would be a hell of a fluke.
I do agree that building wiring should be a thing, but also agree that post-cataclysm life should take a heavy toll on it. Be it from shockers feeding, general destruction, or maybe something/someone harvesting the accessible and pure copper.
Post by: scourge728 on July 20, 2018, 04:22:22 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on July 20, 2018, 05:37:31 pm
Which leads us to another feature that I wish existed, but this is probably near-impossible to actually implement right: starting the game during the end of the world, rather than after.
Post by: iceball3 on July 20, 2018, 07:07:12 pm
Perhaps make it so that electrician-style household installations are difficult, require a bit of construction material that's basically lost whenever you remove it (wood, etc?) so that you can effectively rip the wiring out of a household with some noise and sledge-hammering to open up the walls, but if the house happens to be a place you want to set up appliances in, it might as well be easier just to leave most the wiring in and retrofit when needed.
The biggest benefit of this system, even before proper industrial appliances are explored, is probably going to be running some exposed wire through a field and jolting zombies with a nuclear reactor powered loop. :P
Post by: zaimoni on July 20, 2018, 09:40:39 pm
Which leads us to another feature that I wish existed, but this is probably near-impossible to actually implement right: starting the game during the end of the world, rather than after.Would have to agree, it's not a remotely quick fix and the existing features aren't stable enough to attempt building out the AI. Even if the features were stable, no-go without a template class for A* pathfinding and proper probability modeling. (Instantiate A* pathfinding to deal with all of crafting, construction, and vehicles, not just travel. Probability modeling allows knowing the actual best melee weapon, etc.)
Post by: Darkmere on July 20, 2018, 11:59:16 pm
Post by: King Zultan on July 21, 2018, 09:57:39 am
Can you not build vehicles that pass indoors now? Every base I set up eventually had a fortified solar farm on a frame that fed into a fully working kitchen and light setup inside. It wasn't a fast project but it was stable and the utility you get from a setup like that should require some considerable effort, imo.As far as I know you can still do this, and I always do it but I use the jumper cables instead of frames to get inside.
Post by: Baffler on July 21, 2018, 09:20:13 pm
Post by: duckman on July 22, 2018, 12:33:05 am
Post by: Aseaheru on July 22, 2018, 03:59:25 pm
Post by: Robsoie on July 22, 2018, 04:18:50 pm
https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/categories
Post by: Aseaheru on July 22, 2018, 05:14:40 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 23, 2018, 12:21:27 am
https://github.com/chaosvolt/cdda-arcana-mod/pull/29 (https://github.com/chaosvolt/cdda-arcana-mod/pull/29)
Post by: Greiger on July 23, 2018, 03:22:53 am
I never realized I could do this with melee weapons, thinking it was only limited to things like shotguns, but I got attacked by a group of coyotes while hauling a bike full of loot (the grass was too hard to bike through) and with a single attack my character literally chopped one of those coyotes into meat chunks that flew off in 3 different directions. Not only that but the other coyotes immediately stopped attacking. I think I just scared the crap outta them. Yes I know the sudden appearance of meat probably is what calmed them, but I can dream.
I think I made a badass.
Post by: Darkmere on July 23, 2018, 04:12:45 am
The downside is you have to get that close and can only dominate one or two things at a time.
Post by: Asgarus on July 23, 2018, 05:03:04 am
Post by: Aseaheru on July 23, 2018, 11:28:40 pm
Post by: duckman on July 24, 2018, 05:29:58 am
Edit: *Basically the same, at least. The only difference is that the slash requires an allowed weapon to perform, with you basically making rapid attacks twice as often with bionic claws or the monomolecular blade as you did with your fists. If it's for balance, they can just increase the weighting of the new technique like Fencing does with most of its own techniques to neutralize the default rapid attack of its allowed weapons.
**IIRC, most of the techniques for Bionic Combatives used to work with just about any melee weapon you decided to wield while it was active, so impaling and cleaving zombies with a bit of rebar or a manhole cover was possible.
Edit2: Actually, I don't think unarmed weapons were a thing yet when Bionic Combatives was introduced. That's why the bashing skill is still linked to the cestus, razorbar katar, and steel knuckle recipe.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 24, 2018, 10:48:17 am
Some points I'm thinking over:
1. The 15 different magic seal recipes are spread out across 5 levels of arcana, so the same structure will probably apply to their permanent versions.
2. Which books allow learning which spells is something I haven't fully settled on yet. I have a few rough ideas, like Ward Against Evil being tied to The Cleansing Flame, and the ones that are also accessible via the restored ritual blade will LIKELY be in Oaths to The Chalice. I'm also unsure if Clarity of Blood should go in The Cleansing Flame or Sanguine Codex.
2a. The Six Pillars also might get some spells. This could fit what base items are allowed for crafting the scrolls, or it could be decided based on which magic seals make the most sense thematically. For example, Shockstorm could be available from The Six Pillars because its reagent (a wind fragment) can be used to craft a scroll of discord, or it could NOT be available because it doesn't thematically fit any of the scrolls effects.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 08, 2018, 06:57:00 pm
Guess the game agrees, since I rolled "Tomoko Dempsey" for my new char's name, so it's cyborg fistfighter time.
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 08, 2018, 07:08:16 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 08, 2018, 09:15:05 pm
It's a shame, too, because a lot of the additions over the years are actually quite nice, but there's been enough pointless anti-fun bullshit heaped on that I'm almost tempted to just revert.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 09, 2018, 04:00:20 pm
There's always been some edge cases and problems with how spoilage is passed from ingredient to product, and the "immortal but long-lasting food" overhaul made the problems with the system a lot more visible. The above mod is a stopgap via making most of the old non-perishable food truly non-perishable again.
To summarize:
1. Mere hours of time wasted for short-term ingredients can mean months lost
2. The above problem is not very realistic, the shelf life of most non-perishable foods (jerky is a classic example) is not as strongly affected by how fresh the ingredient is.
3. The "assume shelf life of poorly-stored goods" approach is only realistic (and only worth adding from a gameplay perspective) if proper packaging is something the player can do, which wasn't added. Root cellars aren't really an example of this, or at best only a partial example.
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 09, 2018, 05:29:06 pm
Post by: Urist McManiac on August 11, 2018, 03:55:12 pm
Post by: Broseph Stalin on August 11, 2018, 04:41:42 pm
One thing that might help mitigate a little of the recent problems: https://github.com/chaosvolt/CDDA_Nonperishable_Overhaul (https://github.com/chaosvolt/CDDA_Nonperishable_Overhaul)Very nice.
There's always been some edge cases and problems with how spoilage is passed from ingredient to product, and the "immortal but long-lasting food" overhaul made the problems with the system a lot more visible. The above mod is a stopgap via making most of the old non-perishable food truly non-perishable again.
To summarize:
1. Mere hours of time wasted for short-term ingredients can mean months lost
2. The above problem is not very realistic, the shelf life of most non-perishable foods (jerky is a classic example) is not as strongly affected by how fresh the ingredient is.
3. The "assume shelf life of poorly-stored goods" approach is only realistic (and only worth adding from a gameplay perspective) if proper packaging is something the player can do, which wasn't added. Root cellars aren't really an example of this, or at best only a partial example.
If people think that these changes are something of value, like it's a problem that an established player is no longer desperately replenishing their food supply, I can appreciate that. I just don't understand why realism needs to be applied in such a way that "fuck the player" is always priority #1. Why was the realism change of "faulty engines" so much more important than the realism change of "engines can be disassembled for parts?" Why is it damaging to realism that the player's jerky doesn't spoil but it's not damaging that they can't pickle mixed vegetables or use 3L jars and larger batches?
Post by: Taberone on August 11, 2018, 10:13:12 pm
Are guns also still worthless at hitting stationary targets like turrets, even if you use precision aim? Are rifles still the only guns worth using because pistols/smgs are too pathetic?
Also, how are NPCs now?
Post by: iceball3 on August 12, 2018, 02:47:40 am
Haven't played CDDA in a LONG time due to numpad controls causing my fingers pain after a while. Are guns still worthless pieces of rubbish and melee weapons still way too good (to the point where it's better to slash a Hulk with a Katana rather than shoot him with .50 BMG or something), and are the devs still pushing "muh realism" changes that apparently 99% of the playerbase hates?I can answer one question: Concerning melee, there's a stamina stat now. It regenerates continuously, is slowed by encumbered and general injury, and is consumed by movement, melee actions, and getting hurt I think. You can sprint, doubling your ground speed but draining stamina rapidly, and having low stamina massively penalizes your speed.
Are guns also still worthless at hitting stationary targets like turrets, even if you use precision aim? Are rifles still the only guns worth using because pistols/smgs are too pathetic?
Also, how are NPCs now?
This means you can't solo a crowd of zombies past a single windowsill very well anymore as being forced to stay engaged with at least one zombie for far too long can run you right out of stamina.
Post by: zaimoni on August 12, 2018, 07:24:34 am
Post by: Flying Dice on August 12, 2018, 10:46:39 am
One thing that might help mitigate a little of the recent problems: https://github.com/chaosvolt/CDDA_Nonperishable_Overhaul (https://github.com/chaosvolt/CDDA_Nonperishable_Overhaul)Very nice.
There's always been some edge cases and problems with how spoilage is passed from ingredient to product, and the "immortal but long-lasting food" overhaul made the problems with the system a lot more visible. The above mod is a stopgap via making most of the old non-perishable food truly non-perishable again.
To summarize:
1. Mere hours of time wasted for short-term ingredients can mean months lost
2. The above problem is not very realistic, the shelf life of most non-perishable foods (jerky is a classic example) is not as strongly affected by how fresh the ingredient is.
3. The "assume shelf life of poorly-stored goods" approach is only realistic (and only worth adding from a gameplay perspective) if proper packaging is something the player can do, which wasn't added. Root cellars aren't really an example of this, or at best only a partial example.
If people think that these changes are something of value, like it's a problem that an established player is no longer desperately replenishing their food supply, I can appreciate that. I just don't understand why realism needs to be applied in such a way that "fuck the player" is always priority #1. Why was the realism change of "faulty engines" so much more important than the realism change of "engines can be disassembled for parts?" Why is it damaging to realism that the player's jerky doesn't spoil but it's not damaging that they can't pickle mixed vegetables or use 3L jars and larger batches?
Because Kevin has a hardon for pointless busywork-making "realism" and most folks don't challenge him much because he bans people for arguing with him.
Post by: n9103 on August 12, 2018, 12:17:47 pm
And the same people aren't particularly interested in uniting behind a different fork, either.One thing that might help mitigate a little of the recent problems: https://github.com/chaosvolt/CDDA_Nonperishable_Overhaul (https://github.com/chaosvolt/CDDA_Nonperishable_Overhaul)Very nice.
There's always been some edge cases and problems with how spoilage is passed from ingredient to product, and the "immortal but long-lasting food" overhaul made the problems with the system a lot more visible. The above mod is a stopgap via making most of the old non-perishable food truly non-perishable again.
To summarize:
1. Mere hours of time wasted for short-term ingredients can mean months lost
2. The above problem is not very realistic, the shelf life of most non-perishable foods (jerky is a classic example) is not as strongly affected by how fresh the ingredient is.
3. The "assume shelf life of poorly-stored goods" approach is only realistic (and only worth adding from a gameplay perspective) if proper packaging is something the player can do, which wasn't added. Root cellars aren't really an example of this, or at best only a partial example.
If people think that these changes are something of value, like it's a problem that an established player is no longer desperately replenishing their food supply, I can appreciate that. I just don't understand why realism needs to be applied in such a way that "fuck the player" is always priority #1. Why was the realism change of "faulty engines" so much more important than the realism change of "engines can be disassembled for parts?" Why is it damaging to realism that the player's jerky doesn't spoil but it's not damaging that they can't pickle mixed vegetables or use 3L jars and larger batches?
Because Kevin has a hardon for pointless busywork-making "realism" and most folks don't challenge him much because he bans people for arguing with him.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 12, 2018, 01:43:44 pm
Very nice.
If people think that these changes are something of value, like it's a problem that an established player is no longer desperately replenishing their food supply, I can appreciate that. I just don't understand why realism needs to be applied in such a way that "fuck the player" is always priority #1. Why was the realism change of "faulty engines" so much more important than the realism change of "engines can be disassembled for parts?" Why is it damaging to realism that the player's jerky doesn't spoil but it's not damaging that they can't pickle mixed vegetables or use 3L jars and larger batches?
Thank you. Hope someone gets some use out of it, yeah.
I'd already done a minor step in the general direction of making food preservation less hassle in MST Extra, via adding clay jars and a stab at the Appert process, but its scope is very limited at present. Nicolas Appert was evidently able to can goods like milk and other things that in-game you'd need a vacuum sealer for, but right now all I've done is allow the basic "canned X" recipes.
I would want to implement a wider range of canning if I was able to discern how the Appert process works for each sort of food that was historically preserved, and further figure out whether all the things that were canned would be not only doable for a player with limited access to modern canning, but moreover if they've be useful to the player from a gameplay perspective.
Canning milk is a good example, as milk is kinda not worth bothering with for most players. If you're in a city where you can get at the grocery stores, you likely would have a shot at scrounging up either a food dehydrator or (if modern-style milk canning was ever added) proper tools for canning liquids. Conversely, you'll likely never see any cattle in an innawoods run, and until they implement feral populations of escaped livestock trickling into the forest monstergroup (most logically they would be queued up to spawn a season or two into the cataclysm), being able to preserve milk innawoods won't be used very often.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 12, 2018, 05:37:34 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 14, 2018, 04:59:59 pm
Ultimately, I think it boils down to something along the lines of experienced players with coding ability trying to put a challenge into their own game using the code. I think it's great they are contributing, but I think that sometimes they are not allt he way coherent of other players who would prefer this not to be a problem.That's not it at all. Most of the people who've been involved with the project have made a lot of interesting, sensible changes. This tedious bullshit>gameplay quality is coming from a specific source, and it's explicitly not the bulk of the folks who've made meaningful contributions.
It's not like these things are hard. Filthy clothes, food that shouldn't rot rotting (and curing processes not affecting rot), the additional steps to vehicle construction, &c. do not meaningfully impact the core gameplay loop in any way beyond forcing players to spend more time repeating basic tasks. That's why they're disliked: because they drag players away from having fun to spend another week processing piles of supplies.
They're the video game equivalent of make-work. Endgame content is sparse, but instead of expanding that we get a bunch of time-wasting crap that seems expressly designed to stretch out the time required for initial build-up. It's not any harder to jump from spawning to having a secure base and supply cache, it just takes longer. I would fucking love to have proper endgame content expanded, because as it stands past a certain point there's very little danger beyond getting headshotted by a random M107 turret from outside your view range or something equivalent. When the game starts to get dull because you can have a hulk knock a building down on you, stab it to death, and walk away with a few bruises, the solution is not to make the midgame more tedious.
If you want to see me complaining about arbitrary difficulty, I can rant about the old bullshit with overnight lighting storms starting wildfires that made soaking wet New England forests look like California scrubland. There's a reason I still refuse to let my characters sleep outside of basements.
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And it's not even that I'm particularly opposed to more realism. What pisses me off is that most of these things aren't realism, they're just half-assed partial systems that use realism as an excuse for slowing down early/mid-game progress.
Take filthy clothes. An actual complete cleanliness system could be interesting. Have the outermost layer accumulate filth whenever it would be appropriate (getting puked on, smashing corpses, being wounded, dealing heavy damage in melee, &c.); if there's no clothing coverage, it goes right on the body. Reduce the rate of accumulation as Dodge increases. Tier the morale penalties so that direct skin contact is the worst and bulky outerwear is basically insignificant--getting covered in boomer bile while you're mostly naked is obviously more disconcerting than getting blood on your power armor when you go through a mob of zeds like a woodchipper through a pile of babies. Have different grades of filthiness based on how much you've picked up over time. Then, make cleaning make sense. Stand in the rain for a few minutes and you're good to go. Wash off with a jug of water anywhere, any time, to reduce how much crud is on you or remove smaller amounts of grime. Got soap? Good, you need less water and time for a given amount of cleaning. Add an additional pair of traits with a positive similar to masochist for enjoying the filth and a negative that worsens the penalties.
Instead it's a binary (was it on a zed y/n) that exists solely to make it take longer to get a set of pre-survivor suit clothes together. It does nothing after you hit your first clothing store. No penalties when you're mass-cutting them for raw materials. No penalties for eating a mountain of filthy clothes to power your bionics.
Or take car shit with the jacks and boom cranes. In abstract it makes sense for heavier/larger vehicles to need more dedicated equipment to service. In practice all these additions do is make it a total pain in the ass to build a proper deathmobile, ruining the fun of the folks who liked doing that. If you wanted to be realistic about it, you'd keep scaling things up. Let people build a whole goddamn scaffold like a land-drydock for their land-battleship, let them build fucking smoothbore cannons and mount them with an oversized crane like a modern-day ironclad. Let people use power armor to substitute for a crane or jack.
That's my peeve. All this shit is just splinters of systems that only exist to make people have less fun when they could be ways to make the game more immersive or to further expand the absurd, with realism as the excuse, when even actual realism approached from a position that's cognizant of how it has to mesh with the realities of good gameplay could make the game more difficult in organic ways, more immersive, and more supportive of diverse gameplay options.
I mean, hell, you wanna talk about realism? Know what's not goddamn realistic? Skill reading learn rates that let Joe Blow go from high school dropout to world-class multidisciplinary engineer/surgeon/sysadmin in a matter of days by skimming the contents of the local library. And guess what, the system stays because taking 10000+ in-game hours to learn one subset of those skills to that level would be intensely boring for no good reason.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 14, 2018, 07:28:51 pm
Additionally, there is a pattern with most of the features that become controversial. They tend to:
1. Start off incomplete.
and
2. Prioritize implementing the elements that are detrimental to the player first, and stuff that enhances gameplay is lower-priority.
An example is filthy clothing. It was kinda really bad and bare-bones on first implementation. Washing machines, detergent, sane usage of water/soap? All of those came AFTER first implementation, last I checked. Even now you still can't boil anything clean except for the older "make clean rags from dirty ones" idea.
Another example, the issues with perishable non-perishable foods. The way ingredient rot translates into product rot is bad and severely cripples the effective shelf life of the product. Meanwhile, shelf lives are pegged to assuming floor pasta anyway, but you have NO way to simply put the food in a bag. Realistically, rot is a non-issue for most dry goods if stored in most containers that are tightly recloseable (like a glass jar, plastic tupperware, etc). But this feature was not given any real thought when, in my opinion, allowing the player to implement proper storage should've been a prerequisite.
This is why I expressed the sentiment previously that realism only gets prioritized if it's to the player's detriment in some way. Because while that is hyperbole in the general case, there is a very solid foundation to make one suspect that's the case.
Post by: saltmummy626 on August 14, 2018, 07:45:51 pm
I'd like to see more attention given to making NPC's more interesting. As they are, they are little more to me than loot pinatas.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 14, 2018, 07:48:59 pm
As they are, they are little more to me than loot pinatas.
Or with dynamic NPCs on, loot piñatas that teleport inside your fortified base, steal all your crap, then tell you to fuck off.
Post by: saltmummy626 on August 14, 2018, 07:52:49 pm
As they are, they are little more to me than loot pinatas.
Or with dynamic NPCs on, loot piñatas that teleport inside your fortified base, steal all your crap, then tell you to fuck off.
Exactly. I'd also like to see more work put into domestic animals, but as I recall just getting the ability to milk cows and raise chickens in was a hurdle and a half for the person who did those. Shit, I don't think the chicken stuff even made it past Kevin's baleful petulant eye.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 14, 2018, 07:54:26 pm
Post by: saltmummy626 on August 14, 2018, 07:56:26 pm
We now have dogsplosions though. Also you can technically breed chickens. This is tied to the carrion spawn system though, which is a bit of a mess.
Oh god, the carrion! Good lord, I tuned it way down when I tried it and it STILL produced ungodly numbers of roaches. What a terrible idea.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 14, 2018, 07:57:06 pm
Post by: saltmummy626 on August 14, 2018, 08:02:29 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 14, 2018, 08:05:38 pm
The real bane of my existence is the jacking and lifting changes. For changing tires, sure, but it's made building a train a painfully tedious task. In the version I'm using, which is admittedly very out of date, the jacking and lifting doesn't even work which makes working with vehicles impossible.
Poor Catnip.
Post by: AzyWng on August 14, 2018, 09:37:37 pm
If things are even half as bad as described, surely Kevin’s angered a person with coding skill...
Post by: Egan_BW on August 14, 2018, 09:51:17 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 14, 2018, 10:12:03 pm
I’m afraid I don’t understand - if the things Kevin does piss off so many people, why don’t they split off and make their own variant of the game?
If things are even half as bad as described, surely Kevin’s angered a person with coding skill...
Because, I think, Kevin is the only one willing to actually herd the cats on a permanent basis.
Because people who say "durr hurr just fork it" utterly, miserably fail to comprehend that a fork needs a solid foundation of developers and contributors to keep itself in working order. Coolthulhu already made an attempt to maintain his own fork, but that stymied because he was the only person really invested in it, and he's not very regularly active.
Post by: zaimoni on August 15, 2018, 12:04:57 am
Yes, Typhon has a hundred heads -- but are they coordinated heads?
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 15, 2018, 12:23:15 am
C:DDA has not been fit to fork for years. It should be simpler to fork Whales (https://github.com/zaimoni/Cataclysm) and cherry-pick what C:DDA did right -- after getting a sane internal data representation.
Yes, Typhon has a hundred heads -- but are they coordinated heads?
And even that would be a royal pain in the ass on an unprecedented scale. Evidently the original predates much of the JSONization of about 90% of entry types.
Post by: AzyWng on August 15, 2018, 08:26:38 am
Post by: Rolan7 on August 15, 2018, 08:34:02 am
Post by: Flying Dice on August 15, 2018, 01:46:21 pm
Out of general curiosity (I don't actually play this game, I just love the stories) what is it about the code itself that makes it technically unfit to fork? Lots of code that would be hard to debug/maintain except by the original coders, who wouldn't be migrating?By my understanding it's more that these days a lot of the people who were originally involved in coding for DDA have moved on. That's why kevin is nominally in charge now, he was the only one of that cohort that's still regularly active and willing to run things beyond doing his own contributions (even if because it's an ego-tripping power fantasy deal for him). He wasn't a great guy back then, but he wasn't nearly as much of an asshole as is he now that he thinks of DDA as his personal fiefdom.
Post by: zaimoni on August 15, 2018, 02:52:08 pm
Out of general curiosity (I don't actually play this game, I just love the stories) what is it about the code itself that makes it technically unfit to fork? Lots of code that would be hard to debug/maintain except by the original coders, who wouldn't be migrating?Not at all. Even when restarting from Whales, it's just refactor for legibility.
The C:DDA team nuked things like explicitly slicing assignment operators [just plain broken], and varargs functions for proper C++ classes [undefined behavior] a long time ago, and object orientation changes are still on-going so from that point of view C:DDA is much easier than Whales.
TLDR There has been no "Last Known Good" revision of C:DDA for the past two years (and that's simply when I started watching C:DDA) -- and no reason to think there will ever be a "Last Known Good" revision in the foreseeable future. This is due to completely reasonable policy decisions; Mr. Granade and the true core playerbase both appear comfortable with optimizing C:DDA for a grinding playstyle (with proper UI support for grinding) and relying on rapid public advisories of which features are currently broken to compensate for never having a "Last Known Good" revision.
The entire technical problem is that the changeset approvers have direct orders, from Mr. Granade, to merge changes that explicitly break existing features in the game. These direct orders are publicly backed by banning anyone who openly objects. [For the past two months, approved merges of explicitly breaking changes have commit-logged at typical rate of 1-2/day, and reliably identified as breaking within 2-3 days of being merged.] This should become less of a material problem once the automated tests are actually in place (a breakage that is caught there will procedurally block merging in a change), but that will be at least two years even if prioritized above new content.
The current 500-line soft limit on changesets to merge, is because it's hard to experience auditing larger changesets properly. That dictates the direct orders above: such changesets are too small to not break existing features when merging in new ones in a single complete changeset.
Post by: azmodean on August 15, 2018, 10:45:29 pm
Out of general curiosity (I don't actually play this game, I just love the stories) what is it about the code itself that makes it technically unfit to fork? Lots of code that would be hard to debug/maintain except by the original coders, who wouldn't be migrating?I'm not sure what all that was about, there's a lot of conspiracy theory smelling stuff in there, I don't have time to manage a conspiracy.
There's no technical reason dda is hard to fork, the thing that makes it hard to fork is that I'm coordinating a very large number of contributors that are making changes very rapidly, to have a decent chance of a fork succeeding, you'd need to convince the most productive half (or maybe a bit more) of the contributors to defect to your fork, and isolated pockets of griping aside, *people are generally pretty happy with the game*.
Basically each time someone organizes a fork, they're coordinating a vote of no confidence against me, and I haven't lost a vote yet.
Is it a mainstream game? not remotely
Does it follow the usual formula for seeking a lowest common denominator of user to gather as large a user base as possible? nope
Does it clearly have an angle that resonates with people and maintains a solid fanbase, and regularly convert fans to contributors? Yep
Post by: Broseph Stalin on August 15, 2018, 11:58:58 pm
I'm not sure what all that was about, there's a lot of conspiracy theory smelling stuff in there, I don't have time to manage a conspiracy.
There's no technical reason dda is hard to fork, the thing that makes it hard to fork is that I'm coordinating a very large number of contributors that are making changes very rapidly, to have a decent chance of a fork succeeding, you'd need to convince the most productive half (or maybe a bit more) of the contributors to defect to your fork, and isolated pockets of griping aside, *people are generally pretty happy with the game*.
Basically each time someone organizes a fork, they're coordinating a vote of no confidence against me, and I haven't lost a vote yet.
Is it a mainstream game? not remotely
Does it follow the usual formula for seeking a lowest common denominator of user to gather as large a user base as possible? nope
Does it clearly have an angle that resonates with people and maintains a solid fanbase, and regularly convert fans to contributors? Yep
Do you feel that the complaints people are raising are that the game isn't mainstream enough or that it's failing to seek out the lowest common denominator? I mean, this is a Dwarf Fortress crowd they don't need every game to be Call of Duty Shoot-a-Man. Nobody's complaining about the game being too experimental or even too difficult, they're saying "tedious" and "busywork." I'll also confess that I'm perplexed by the logic that their failure means that multiple votes of no confidence being initiated doesn't reflect a serious problem.
Post by: azmodean on August 16, 2018, 12:36:27 am
Do you feel that the complaints people are raising are that the game isn't mainstream enough or that it's failing to seek out the lowest common denominator I mean, this is a Dwarf Fortress crowd they don't need every game to be Call of Duty Shoot-a-Man. Nobody's complaining about the game being too experimental or even too difficult, they're saying "tedious" and "busywork."My point is I'm not making a game for everyone, I'm making a game for me, and people who are looking for the same experience I am. The fact that a large number of people are not looking for that experience is a *given*, so its nonsensical for me to worry about people who dont want to play the game I'm making.
I'll also confess that I'm perplexed by the logic that their failure means that multiple votes of no confidence being initiated doesn't reflect a serious problem.Out of tens of thousands of players and hundreds of contributors, a handful cast a vote of no confidence. Excuse me if I'm unimpressed.
Post by: zaimoni on August 16, 2018, 12:38:49 am
And yes, technically C:DDA is getting easier to fork. Doesn't matter with the current commit rate.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 16, 2018, 09:04:12 am
See, the problem with that argument is that you need to actually be making a game.Do you feel that the complaints people are raising are that the game isn't mainstream enough or that it's failing to seek out the lowest common denominator I mean, this is a Dwarf Fortress crowd they don't need every game to be Call of Duty Shoot-a-Man. Nobody's complaining about the game being too experimental or even too difficult, they're saying "tedious" and "busywork."My point is I'm not making a game for everyone, I'm making a game for me, and people who are looking for the same experience I am. The fact that a large number of people are not looking for that experience is a *given*, so its nonsensical for me to worry about people who dont want to play the game I'm making.
Someone who can make that argument? Steve Walmsley. Aurora has consistently grown more interesting and more complete as a game over the years, and has gained popularity throughout, despite him explicitly working from the standpoint of "I'm making a game I want to play, but you can download it and play it if you want." The key there is a combination of coherent creative vision and competence.
You're working off the back of Whales' game, which was subsequently worked on by a fairly large number of people as a collaborative community project. Part of the reason people are fed up with things now is because of the unilateral assumption of ownership of the game and stifling of any creative direction that doesn't match yours. It's not your game. Even if it was, the creative process of "I don't like how people are playing the game, so I'll add a broken fragment of a mechanic to stop them from doing that and then never expand or fix it" is monumentally stupid and will naturally drive people away. Doubly so when it's backed by an astonishingly arrogant degree of self-assurance.
Practically speaking the current state of DDA can only be attributed to maliciousness or incompetence, and given past tin-pot dictator behavior I'm inclined to assume the former more than the latter. It's almost as if votes of no-confidence are difficult to pull off when the person being objected to has total control over nearly all channels of communication through which community discussion can occur.
Post by: King Zultan on August 16, 2018, 09:44:05 am
Here's some of the stuff this thing does.
* Field dressing, quick and full butchery and quartering (+ dissecting ) are all sub-types of butchery action accessible form the butcher menu.
* Field dressing affects butchery yields removing internal organs like stomach/offal from the list of possible results - and yields internal organs.
* Field dressing can be performed with varying results, from fully successful to a bloody mess. Failed results might destroy or fairly damage the corpse, and significantly affect butcher results.
* Successful field dressing reduces initial rot of harvested meat, and reduces rot rate of the corpse itself.
* You can quarter field dressed corpse into four parts - applies to volume and mass, equals easier transportation. Might not help for huge creatures, as they are HUGE! Tiny creatures can't be quartered. Quartering ruins skin, so a confirm popup prevents unwanted destruction of valuable resource if not desired by the player.
* Quick butchery yields up to 1/4 of max corpse yields in flesh - its just a quick harvest before moving on. It destroys skin and anything else - what do you care if you just need few pieces of meat?
* Full butchery can be performed in a workshop consisting of a butchers rack, a nearby table, and requires extra tools, mainly sawing tools and cutting tools.
* Full butchery takes significantly more time, but yields full potential of a corpse.
* Meat yields were significantly increased, influencing some other yields too.
* You don't have to field dress a corpse to perform full butchery, but it will take longer, and you might have trouble if you want to drag your overgrown bear to the butchers workshop.
* Morale now affects the possibility of butchery. Depressed person would not engage in bloody work.
* CBM removal from corpses was moved to DISSECT option only.
* You have to have a fine cutting tool to remove CBM's while butchering.
* Dissection takes a long time.
Post by: AzyWng on August 16, 2018, 09:52:51 am
What issues does this change fix? What is the purpose of the overhaul?
Post by: Gentlefish on August 16, 2018, 10:02:45 am
It's more complicated to butcher - you can't just do it in the middle of a field
Full butchery is more complicated and harder to set up - but the yields make up for the set up.
Now you don't have to butcher zombies to get their CBM's! You gotta pry them out nicely.
Post by: King Zultan on August 16, 2018, 10:05:06 am
Post by: Gentlefish on August 16, 2018, 10:28:40 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 16, 2018, 10:54:58 am
* Full butchery can be performed in a workshop consisting of a butchers rack, a nearby table, and requires extra tools, mainly sawing tools and cutting tools.
* Full butchery takes significantly more time, but yields full potential of a corpse.
Translation: added tedium to restore original functionality.
Mainly, this needs adequate playtesting to ensure that the reduction in rot from field dressing is adequate to overcome the increase in rot caused by needing to haul the body parts to a workshop.
If it isn't then it'll magnify existing problems with how spoilage of ingredients makes long-term perishable goods spoil faster than their shelf life implies they should, via introducing gratuitous rot on the short-term side of the equation.
On the plus side, this means that if it DOES cause problems in practice, I have more excuses to recommend Nonperishable Overhaul (https://github.com/chaosvolt/CDDA_Nonperishable_Overhaul) as a balancing factor.
Post by: Gentlefish on August 16, 2018, 11:10:00 am
Post by: azmodean on August 16, 2018, 11:43:30 am
See, the problem with that argument is that you need to actually be making a game.Thanks for playing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman).
Someone who can make that argument? Steve Walmsley.
Post by: n9103 on August 16, 2018, 11:45:10 am
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original mechanic got overhauled, game is shit!11: See every game ever with fans that don't like the development direction.
Worse here though, because here they're free to take a fork and do whatever they want, but would rather make excuses about why them complaining, and them accepting the situation aren't the same.
I'm not a fan of DDA really. It's been a loong time since I played it, but I'm really tired of how this thread keeps getting derailed by a group of folks that do exactly the above.
Post by: AzyWng on August 16, 2018, 12:54:12 pm
Personally, I don't much like the hostility myself, though. Haven't played DDA in a while, though, so I don't exactly have an opinion on the changes that have happened (especially since I can't even survive long enough for rotting food to be a problem).
Post by: Gentlefish on August 16, 2018, 01:00:57 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 16, 2018, 01:10:35 pm
Did you forget the part where it said it increases yield by a significant amount, giving you incentive to full-butcher and not just field-clean?
I found about this afterward, but this has been replaced by a new problem:
You need a full butcher's setup to get bones, skin, fat, sinew, feathers, etc. Now butchery in the field magics your knife through the skin, debones it, etc while somehow making all of that shit vanish.
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 16, 2018, 02:27:29 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 16, 2018, 02:55:02 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on August 16, 2018, 02:55:37 pm
Did you forget the part where it said it increases yield by a significant amount, giving you incentive to full-butcher and not just field-clean?
I found about this afterward, but this has been replaced by a new problem:
You need a full butcher's setup to get bones, skin, fat, sinew, feathers, etc. Now butchery in the field magics your knife through the skin, debones it, etc while somehow making all of that shit vanish.
Or it's considered wasted due to the makeshift nature of your butchering.
Post by: duckman on August 16, 2018, 03:27:04 pm
Coming soon to a forum near you:They left this thread to fester for a bit too long before coming back a few month ago, so what did you expect?Quoteoriginal mechanic got overhauled, game is shit!11: See every game ever with fans that don't like the development direction.
Worse here though, because here they're free to take a fork and do whatever they want, but would rather make excuses about why them complaining, and them accepting the situation aren't the same.
I'm not a fan of DDA really. It's been a loong time since I played it, but I'm really tired of how this thread keeps getting derailed by a group of folks that do exactly the above.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 16, 2018, 03:32:18 pm
Or it's considered wasted due to the makeshift nature of your butchering.
You should still have SOME way to get skin and bones (not to mention sinew, fat, feathers...) without plopping down a workshop every time, or dragging the corpse back to base. See again, tedium.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on August 16, 2018, 03:43:27 pm
Or it's considered wasted due to the makeshift nature of your butchering.
How is it wasted? I get that skin can be rendered unsuitable for tanning by hacking up a corpse and fair play maybe I was so undisciplined the sinew was rendered unusable but where did the bones go? Did the makeshift butchery mash them to bits that can no longer be used to make charcoal or glue? Where's the fat? Has my inexpert butchering caused it to become irrecoverably fused to the meat? Did I hastily dice each individual feather?
Post by: duckman on August 16, 2018, 04:45:52 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 16, 2018, 08:46:20 pm
Speaking of bones, do fish still give usable bones for whatever reason? I mean, besides the bone needle and skewer recipes, what can you actually make out of these?
Bone meal (for a few random uses), bone armor, aspic, bone broth, fodder for charcoal...
Post by: Iceblaster on August 16, 2018, 08:49:30 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 16, 2018, 08:56:21 pm
Not played with the new butchery thing, but honestly it does sound like complaining for the sake of complaining. CDAA has made shitty decisions, but I feel this isn't one of those.
Reason for it is, as far as can be discerned, you now need a specific construction to get anything besides meat. No sinew, no skin, no (or evidently, few) bones, no fat. Which is severely hindering to nomadic characters, bogs down crafting, and isn't very realistic.
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Post by: scourge728 on August 17, 2018, 11:04:33 am
Post by: Gentlefish on August 17, 2018, 11:15:11 am
Thank you Kevin for visiting occasionally still. Even if you are, generally, disliked and dislike in return. Keeps us on our toes.
Post by: duckman on August 17, 2018, 12:30:05 pm
I think fish-bone (https://www.istockphoto.com/ca/vector/carcass-of-a-perch-wood-engraving-published-1884-gm481999771-37642324) armor is a bit generous.Speaking of bones, do fish still give usable bones for whatever reason? I mean, besides the bone needle and skewer recipes, what can you actually make out of these?
Bone meal (for a few random uses), bone armor, aspic, bone broth, fodder for charcoal...
Post by: lastofthelight on August 17, 2018, 03:04:37 pm
One of the things that I think is becoming apparent is that (and this won't make me friends on either side of the debate, but whatever):
1. Fixing bugs is less boring, on statistical average, then making new features. (not that they don't - they very, very clearly, do fix bugs on a daily basis ...but... they make slightly more new features 'on average' then they fix bugs 'on average'. Again, this is just human nature.)
and
2. The main developer and many of the active coders simply don't have an interest in a game from a gameplay perspective. They don't want something like dwarf fortress, nethack, or even a roguelike version of Project Zomboid or <any survival first person game ever>. They want a zombie roguelike version of UnReal World. And you can't say UnReal World doesn't have its fans.
And I don't think you can deny that UnReal World and, say, Dwarf Fortress are in different genres. Both are different, both are complex. Both have intricate simulations. But..... Well, perhaps a comparison to Project Zomboid and UnReal World would be better. Its not a roguelike Project Zomboid. Its more akin to UnReal World with zombies, set in the future. The gameplay used to be more akin to Project Zomboid, but is less so over time; and this causes tension. Different sub-genres. There's a difference between roguelike-simulation and roguelike-survival. Or something - I think the idea is clear even if I am not.
Still; I think eventually someone will fork it. I doubt it'll happen soon, but they don't even have a website with a dedicated forum anymore. They have tons of active contributors, and I think it has a healthy span left to it, but eventually someone will manage to fork it. The main reason it hasn't happened yet is that, for all of the 'controversial' changes, when you look at the actual gameplay, they've been fairly open and conservative about making their configuration options tweak able to everyone who wants a dramatically different experience. And that has resulted in a lot of mainlined mods and options that border on mini-forks. Most of the controversial changes can be turned off.
Bright Nights was never intended as a fork, from what I gather (as an example) it seemed to mostly be a proof of concept, to show that someone COULD make a different game experience without having to fork it, and I think thats probably a good effort. And, as someone who plays the experimental, I noticed that once it was implemented, the number of mod options really just skyrocketed.
I mean, its been 15 years since I've done any coding, but I really doubt it would be that hard for even one person with actual coding experience and say; remove the butchery changes. Hell, they'll probably do that -themselves-.
So while I may be a naysayer myself at times, you can't really say there arn't reasons a fork hasn't happened, or that there hasn't been response to the criticism. And I think on any sort of project of this scale you'd see similar problems eventually.
Post by: azmodean on August 18, 2018, 12:32:12 am
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/24878
Tl;dr I unrepentantly eat babies.
No wait, I listen to feedback and try to find a way to make most people happy.
That doesnt sound right either, just read the thread.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 18, 2018, 01:40:59 am
Latest discussion if you want to follow along.
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/24878
Tl;dr I unrepentantly eat babies.
No wait, I listen to feedback and try to find a way to make most people happy.
That doesnt sound right either, just read the thread.
Having seen your latest reply on there, yeet. Looks good overall, and mostly comparable to feedback I DM'd to Nexus, which I'll repost here for you:
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1. I do indeed think that yes, simple butchering on the spot should return a proportion of all categories of yield. Perhaps what percentage might vary with carcass size and type of yield (i.e. getting all of the skin from a large animal would be difficult without a carcass rack or such, but it would be possible to get part of the skin at least), but either way it should realistically allow some proportion of all available yield. You might not be able to manhandle the carcass to get all of the hide and such, but you could still plausibly cut away a good amount of it and use that, if you were desperate (and if difficulty getting a full butcher setup is a concern for the player at the moment, it likely is indeed a desperate situation).
2. For skinning, I'd suggest either tie it quick butchery, and/or tie it in with a non-workshop equivalent to more thorough butchery. Quick butchery should be wasteful and perhaps more focused on meat, but it might not need to fully waste the remaining materials.
3. The last option, making butchering racks and flat surfaces optional but tied in with getting the maximum yield out of a carcass, might be the most complete approach. To me that seems like a likely outcome if above suggestions for 1 and 2 end up used.
4. I can see this going either way for small and tiny creatures. Related to suggestions in point 1, even if it is still required for full yield, one could still make it so that smaller creatures return a higher percentage of available yield when butchered on-the-spot.
5. That one I'm not sure about. In practice the yield could perhaps trend closer to full workshop yield, but I don't know at what percentage of yield or at what skill level things stop at.
6. Not sure of that either. I'm partially leaning towards either "no" or "depends on what plausible alternatives exist" I suppose. There are prehistoric methods of making tools capable of sawing bone, such as knapping a serrated or jagged edge adequate for the task, so it might not be as big a restriction as it first seems.
Sound half-decent?
Post by: King Zultan on August 18, 2018, 08:03:52 am
I unrepentantly eat babies.This reminds me of my of the first time I found a misshapen fetus, and I found out that it could be eaten, my immediate reaction was to eat it to see what would happen.
Post by: n9103 on August 18, 2018, 08:39:55 am
How did the NICU staff not notice you wandering into the preemie ward?I unrepentantly eat babies.This reminds me of my of the first time I found a misshapen fetus, and I found out that it could be eaten, my immediate reaction was to eat it to see what would happen.
I hope none of the mothers were present, they surely didn't need even more strife on top of some freak eating their child.
:P
Post by: King Zultan on August 18, 2018, 08:51:10 am
I'm super stealthy, and I couldn't help myself, I had to eat the fetus as they are so tender and yummy.How did the NICU staff not notice you wandering into the preemie ward?I unrepentantly eat babies.This reminds me of my of the first time I found a misshapen fetus, and I found out that it could be eaten, my immediate reaction was to eat it to see what would happen.
I hope none of the mothers were present, they surely didn't need even more strife on top of some freak eating their child.
:P
Post by: Flying Dice on August 18, 2018, 01:29:15 pm
See, the problem with that argument is that you need to actually be making a game.Thanks for playing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman).
Someone who can make that argument? Steve Walmsley.
That's not even remotely close. Walmsley built and developed Aurora entirely on his own, solely for his own enjoyment. You were a single member of a community team continuing someone else's game who slapped his name on their collective work and shut other people out of the development process for minor disagreements. Nice try though. (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/fallfall.html)
An artist starts work on a mural in a community area. Residents offer commentary and suggestions. When most of the linework is done and they've started on the shading and color fill, the artist realizes they won't be able to continue. They tell people that they're leaving the supplies and paint in a nearby shed, and that anyone is free to keep working on it. People come together and bring it much closer to completion. Eventually, people get tired of arguing over how it should be painted, and need to spend time on other things. Eventually, one person hears other residents complementing aspects of the mural he doesn't like. He puts up a fence around the wall the mural's on, locks the shed, and spraypaints over bits of the mural he doesn't like, concluding by signing his name in big bold letters. He then goes around telling people that it's his mural, and that if they don't like what he's doing to it they can go paint their own.
That's you. You did nothing except take advantage of most of the other major figures in the community leaving to seize control of the project. You're a vulture who spends most of his time blocking sensible changes and adding half-broken feature bloat to stop other players from having fun.
But I guess it's too hard to refute people calling out your bullshit in a venue where you can't unilaterally delete threads and ban folks for dissent, eh?
Post by: Egan_BW on August 18, 2018, 04:07:25 pm
Also some of the people who were working on that first mural went to hang out on the porch of a different artist entirely to complain about the guy who put a fence up.
Post by: Altivera on August 18, 2018, 04:46:04 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 18, 2018, 09:20:25 pm
I don't like needing a butchering rack in order to get all the drops from butchering corpses. Before I just butchered and hauled the resources back to my base, now I gotta carry the damn corpse back to a butchering rack with a flat surface nearby in order to get a full yield from butchering.I think the full butcher setup just gives you extra drops you wouldn't normally get and the fast butcher is functionally the same as just pressing B in previous versions
Post by: Altivera on August 18, 2018, 09:33:59 pm
Unless they changed it fast butchering netted me only meat and offal.I don't like needing a butchering rack in order to get all the drops from butchering corpses. Before I just butchered and hauled the resources back to my base, now I gotta carry the damn corpse back to a butchering rack with a flat surface nearby in order to get a full yield from butchering.I think the full butcher setup just gives you extra drops you wouldn't normally get and the fast butcher is functionally the same as just pressing B in previous versions
Post by: Rince Wind on August 19, 2018, 04:50:28 am
Post by: King Zultan on August 19, 2018, 06:37:54 am
Post by: Aseaheru on August 19, 2018, 02:46:02 pm
Post by: Altivera on August 19, 2018, 02:59:58 pm
Well, thats an unpleasant change. I hope they plan on adding a semi-processed form of butchering to reduce mass and/or volume so one can haul the corpse back easier.You can field dress and quarter a corpse to reduce the weight but you need to perform a full butchery which requires a butchering rack, a flat surface, and sawing and cutting tools in order to get stuff outside of meat and offal.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 19, 2018, 03:09:03 pm
Post by: King Zultan on August 20, 2018, 07:48:04 am
So has anyone else noticed the massive amount of stuff spawning from the new carrion thing, I left it at 100% if that matters. I should probably turn it down.
Post by: pisskop on August 20, 2018, 07:57:55 am
(https://i.imgur.com/Vpb9uui.png)
Post by: scriver on August 20, 2018, 08:24:20 am
Post by: AzyWng on August 20, 2018, 09:41:15 am
The whole “Spawn from rotten things” mechanic makes me wonder if a cockroach farm wouldn’t be possible...
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 20, 2018, 10:53:19 am
I just spent several days in game clearing the roaches out of a mansions basement, the whole process involved killing almost four hundred roaches and gathering all the eggs and meat and burning all of it, in the hope that they don't come back, probably would have been more of a pain in the ass if I hadn't already killed all the zombies.
So has anyone else noticed the massive amount of stuff spawning from the new carrion thing, I left it at 100% if that matters. I should probably turn it down.
Hence why I just keep it at zero, to be honest it isn't worth it.
Post by: azmodean on August 20, 2018, 12:28:41 pm
Well, thats an unpleasant change. I hope they plan on adding a semi-processed form of butchering to reduce mass and/or volume so one can haul the corpse back easier.Answered here
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/24878
The whole “Spawn from rotten things” mechanic makes me wonder if a cockroach farm wouldn’t be possible...Sort of, but they should be zero-sum, so you can't get unending meat from farming them. i.e. when a roach spawns it also consumes some existing meat.
OTOH, you definitely CAN dump your (inedible) tainted meat and farm up (edible, but gross) roach meat.
Post by: n9103 on August 20, 2018, 12:45:41 pm
Sort of, but they should be zero-sum, so you can't get unending meat from farming them. i.e. when a roach spawns it also consumes some existing meat.This is completely disgusting, and I think it's amazing.
OTOH, you definitely CAN dump your (inedible) tainted meat and farm up (edible, but gross) roach meat.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 20, 2018, 01:30:14 pm
So you're saying that in their quest for realism the dev team has come to simulate spontaneous generationSort of, but they should be zero-sum, so you can't get unending meat from farming them. i.e. when a roach spawns it also consumes some existing meat.This is completely disgusting, and I think it's amazing.
OTOH, you definitely CAN dump your (inedible) tainted meat and farm up (edible, but gross) roach meat.
Post by: n9103 on August 20, 2018, 02:13:19 pm
So you're saying that in their quest for realism the dev team has come to simulate spontaneous generationClearly you're just taking the piss, but there's not a chance that there's a single open area in C:DDA that's roach-proof.
Muh relizms ::)
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 20, 2018, 02:23:21 pm
So you're saying that in their quest for realism the dev team has come to simulate spontaneous generationClearly you're just taking the piss, but there's not a chance that there's a single open area in C:DDA that's roach-proof.
Muh relizms ::)
> TFW the devs forget about conservation of mass in their quest for realism
Post by: AzyWng on August 20, 2018, 02:37:36 pm
If someone else wants to try to give the "misaimed realism" statements more weight (currently they're just speculations from a non-player and a bunch of other people responding with "if that's actually how it is then haha wow"), they can go right ahead.
Another question: Do rotting zombie corpses (not just tainted meat from butchering, the corpse itself, unbutchered and pulped so it doesn't rise again) and the like produce roaches?
For that matter, do rotting roach corpses produce more roaches? 'cause if so...
that might prove somewhat problematic, too. Or it could provide a degree of self-sustainabilty as far as a cockroach farm goes (as disgusting as the idea is to me).
Post by: Iceblaster on August 22, 2018, 09:01:50 pm
Post by: pisskop on August 22, 2018, 09:48:34 pm
Are they dangerous? Do they eat food? Will the mob you? Can they infect you?
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 23, 2018, 11:03:51 am
Are they dangerous? Do they eat food? Will the mob you? Can they infect you?
Advanced ones are, YES, probably, don't recall.
Post by: duckman on August 23, 2018, 05:49:35 pm
Roaches sound like they could be obnoxious. Spread like fungus, but made of meat.There's a new-ish function that allows certain mobs to eat food and crops if they are adjacent to them. All carnivores will eat meat, most insects eat any food they stumble near, herbivores ravage growing/unharvested crops if you aren't careful. The heavily mutated version of giant roaches, plague nymphs/bearers/vectors, have the zombie's infectious bite and do a bit more damage but aren't much more dangerous than ordinary zombies themselves.
Are they dangerous? Do they eat food? Will the mob you? Can they infect you?
Raw meat will usually spawn roaches, but being near Triffid Groves or Fungal colonies will skew the spawn rates heavily in their favor. But if you aren't hunting Triffids for veggie chunks or preparing to kill the Bloom/Spire/Tower, you aren't usually hanging around long enough for that to matter anyways. Even then you're usually in and out in less than two in-game hours with most of it spent walking.
Also, does anyone know if the Triffid Fungal Fighter's stinger can still punch through all armor 100% of the time? Because last time I checked about 1 month back, literally nothing stops it and its been that way since they were introduced.
Post by: cainiao on August 27, 2018, 06:08:36 am
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/24291
Post by: vastaghen12 on August 27, 2018, 10:20:17 am
Alarm, alarm. New plant growing get merged right now, expect more keypress. Much more.
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/24291
I somwtimes wonder If the people who add this kind of stuff actually like doing the same mindless action 50+ times in a row. is their definition of fun watching propmpts fly through the screen? Maybe its their idea of RP?
Maybe they dont actually play the game?
Well farming was always the subpar method. It was only slightly worth it when you could plant stuff by a road and return a season later for free food. Guess it will just be raiding toilets and canned food now.
Post by: BigD145 on August 27, 2018, 06:19:17 pm
Post by: Broseph Stalin on August 27, 2018, 06:41:02 pm
Post by: Damiac on August 27, 2018, 10:47:38 pm
I mean... the eating part of the game isn't the interesting part of the game, is it? It's a good pressure to have, but how deep does this system need to be? Things like the stamina change make the combat deeper, that seems like the sort of thing to add to if you're actually trying to make a fun game more fun. Rather than trying to make it less game.
Cataclysm is a survival game heavily focused on combat. Unreal world is a survival game where it is quite easy and really for the best to just avoid combat entirely. If that's what some people want, then fork the game or make a mod, because that's not what it is.
Repeatedly pressing buttons knowing the outcome in advance is tedious and not fun. Make less mindless button pressing, and more decision making.
Post by: AzyWng on August 27, 2018, 11:24:33 pm
If attempting to do so causes underground giant cockroaches, I'm going to be more more dissatisfied with this change.
Post by: George_Chickens on August 28, 2018, 12:04:44 am
IMO, it has got to the point where the last version of Whale's code is smoother to play and flows so much better. And that's just sad, seeing that it was a crashy, unfinished mess.
Post by: Altivera on August 28, 2018, 01:14:34 am
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on August 28, 2018, 08:54:03 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 28, 2018, 10:00:31 am
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/24291
However, further research shows that they are gonna pull something with zones to make it easier to farm, I think something along the lines of DF style farming.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on August 28, 2018, 11:22:11 am
The mininuke apparently got nerfed in the name of realism, and they also removed the crafting recipe for it so you can't make them yourself.
Not only that, but CBM's are now no longer craftable. Quite a nerf for genius builds.
On shittier news, it seems acidia has gone on hiatus, if not left for good. Not too clear why that was, but it seems he suspected someone was stealing or undercutting part of his work with inventory management. Whether acidia'd legitimate reasons, or merely ragequit outright, it's very likely NPC camps won't be updated any time soon. Judge for yourselves. (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/24488)
On a happier note, labs have been expanded dramatically, mansion basements got an overhaul, quick butchering gives much more returns (a quarter of the max yields for meat, and half for just about everything else), and there's also that above inventory management system on the works.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 28, 2018, 11:34:57 am
Post by: Broseph Stalin on August 28, 2018, 11:43:37 am
Not only that, but CBM's are now no longer craftable. Quite a nerf for genius builds.
On shittier news, it seems acidia has gone on hiatus, if not left for good. Not too clear why that was, but it seems he suspected someone was stealing or undercutting part of his work with inventory management. Whether acidia'd legitimate reasons, or merely ragequit outright, it's very likely NPC camps won't be updated any time soon. Judge for yourselves. (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/24488)
On a happier note, labs have been expanded dramatically, mansion basements got an overhaul, quick butchering gives much more returns (a quarter of the max yields for meat, and half for just about everything else), and there's also that above inventory management system on the works.
Seriously? Most of the updates just tweak stuff or make some existing feature less convenient, I can't remember actually getting excited about something other than NPC camps.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 28, 2018, 12:47:51 pm
However, the freezing stuff has now become actually tolerable now, and there's finally a pull request (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/25198) in the works to make it so that you don't HAVE to hve a full butchering setup just to get some shot at all available types of materials a critter has to give.
However, there is one thing that has me excited AS FUCK. More than the NPC camp feature. It's this good shit right here. (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/25201) To regular players this isn't something they'd give a shit about. But someone who also mods the game, like me? This, when fully fleshed out, will allow you to tell vanilla mutations to be incompatible with mutations of the same type introduced in mods. Without needing to add a full override for the vanilla mutation just for the sake of dropping your mod mutations into the "cancels" field.
Since self copy-from doesn't work for mutations (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/21557) that means the above PR effectively halves the list of reasons why you'd need to fiddle with vanilla mutation. Which is good, because full overrides are bad for a modder's sanity.
Expect me to FINALLY revive the long-abandoned "dragon mutation tree" idea I had ages ago when I was just getting into modding CDDA, and work it into some endgame content for Arcana.
Post by: Darkmere on August 28, 2018, 12:53:34 pm
..seriously I feel less and less inclined to return to the game seeing these developmemts ???
It's not just you. I haven't played in years and I haven't seen anything new in a long time that actually sounded fun. It's been universal tedium for it's own sake, or at least messing with established systems to make the game more unfavorable to the player. I can't remember reading about anything for fun being added in the last ... what, couple years?
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 28, 2018, 01:23:26 pm
Post by: BigD145 on August 28, 2018, 01:43:42 pm
Post by: Not good with names on August 28, 2018, 08:13:11 pm
Also, are Hordes working? I noticed it has been turned off on default for new worlds. I seem to get random zombos, but my base is also an NPC camp a couple tiles away from a mall that I never really fully cleared. I did do a fair bit of tree felling in the area though and I would've expected a bit more attention being ~10 tiles from the outskirts of one town and ~15 from another one.
Post by: azmodean on August 28, 2018, 10:39:59 pm
Alarm, alarm. New plant growing get merged right now, expect more keypress. Much more.
I somwtimes wonder If the people who add this kind of stuff actually like doing the same mindless action 50+ times in a row. is their definition of fun watching propmpts fly through the screen? Maybe its their idea of RP?
Farming expanded but not streamlined. /sighWe cant quite do everything at the same time, it's in progress https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/25181
Cataclysm is a survival game heavily focused on combat. Unreal world is a survival game where it is quite easy and really for the best to just avoid combat entirely. If that's what some people want, then fork the game or make a mod, because that's not what it is.If you want an action game that doesn't care about being grounded in reality, you're the one that needs to fork or mod, feel free to do so.
The mininuke apparently got nerfed in the name of realism, and they also removed the crafting recipe for it so you can't make them yourself.I buffed the absolute shit out of the mininuke in the name of realism, but hey, dont let reality get in the way of a good rant.
Protip, a lot of the time when people complain about features, they dont know what they're talking about, you might want to either play yourself or at least actually follow development instead of taking ranting at face value.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 29, 2018, 12:05:52 am
Worse, not even playtesting helped as some of those bugs were found, reported in PR comments, and then willfully, maliciously ignored by the PR author. They freely admitted that they are both unable and unwilling to fix the fact their change fucked up NPC base farming, which simply should not be permitted.
If I broke shit in such a way, and openly told off the people giving me feedback by demanding other people fix it for me, I would've been berated for it.
Post by: Altivera on August 29, 2018, 12:23:19 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/9ahy67/explosion_power_and_its_effects/Alarm, alarm. New plant growing get merged right now, expect more keypress. Much more.I somwtimes wonder If the people who add this kind of stuff actually like doing the same mindless action 50+ times in a row. is their definition of fun watching propmpts fly through the screen? Maybe its their idea of RP?Farming expanded but not streamlined. /sighWe cant quite do everything at the same time, it's in progress https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/25181Cataclysm is a survival game heavily focused on combat. Unreal world is a survival game where it is quite easy and really for the best to just avoid combat entirely. If that's what some people want, then fork the game or make a mod, because that's not what it is.If you want an action game that doesn't care about being grounded in reality, you're the one that needs to fork or mod, feel free to do so.The mininuke apparently got nerfed in the name of realism, and they also removed the crafting recipe for it so you can't make them yourself.I buffed the absolute shit out of the mininuke in the name of realism, but hey, dont let reality get in the way of a good rant.
Protip, a lot of the time when people complain about features, they dont know what they're talking about, you might want to either play yourself or at least actually follow development instead of taking ranting at face value.
I was just going off this reddit post on explosion power. Didn't take into account the other effects of a mininuke though I do have to question why not being able to make mininukes and cbms anymore in vanilla.
Post by: kulik on August 29, 2018, 12:24:48 am
Post by: azmodean on August 29, 2018, 01:38:48 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 29, 2018, 02:00:42 am
So... mea culpa. The farming overhaul seems to as bad as claimed, I've reverted it.
I'll go ahead and say it. I am genuinely grateful for that, and do hope that (if a second stab at it ever gets attempted) any further changes to farming mechanics will fare better and be more complete in implementation.
Post by: Robsoie on August 29, 2018, 08:11:20 am
As i still play a very old version of CCDA (mostly due to it having saved game/world kept in only a few files), despite their very basic setup at the time of that version i grew fond of NPC, because even when there's the risk of a NPC trying to "help" you with his flamethrower :D when you're fighting in melee a zombie in that version, NPC is a big part of what makes the game more interesting for me.
Because they add a layer of narrative (self made or derivated from the NPC action) and gives you more goals in the game that (though it's more roleplay of my side as in the version i play NPC were still basic) improve vastly the interest of playing CDDA.
In my opinion, NPC should really be given the highest priority when there are multiple pull requests that conflict with work done on NPC with such PR staying on hold until they 'unbreak' what they broke on a NPC feature.
But again that's my opinion of what i enjoy the most in CDDA, i can understand that other people may not care about them, but i believe NPC are a pretty big part of the CDDA potential.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on August 29, 2018, 09:02:13 am
NPC's rule.
I started playing again when firearms got buffed. I can't be bothered to start a vanilla character, level him up and play the way it has to be played. I usually make an "accomplished" character with all skills close to max, spawn me some equipment and a car and just have fun in the world fucking things up and giving me random goals with self imposed time limits and conditions. It's quite fun. Anyone else playing this way?
That can be a fun way to play. That was my typical playstyle for a while but I feel like it leads to very similar play styles. Starting off as a loser and needing whatever advantage you can get encourages things to get strange. Like starting near a river and avoiding infested cities by slapping a raft together or finding a pair of roller skates and zipping past most scary things.
Post by: lastofthelight on August 29, 2018, 12:06:38 pm
I actually liked the sound of the farming changes (very 'harvest moon') though I'm skeptical as to the economics of farming vs hunter/gathering in the sort of situation CATA envisions, its still a legit playstyle and one, I think, potentially popular with stuff like Stardew Valley out there. I did not actually try to use them yet, as I generally do hunter/gathering.
The only thing I wonder is - why the heck doesn't the game have Dwarf Fortress zones at this point?
Zone - farming. NPCS farm here. Zone - Sleep. NPCs sleep here. Zone - Patrol. NPCs patrol here. Zone, living - NPCs idle here. I mean, Toady One did it.
They have a way to set up a 'camp', but I have not used it in-game as it seems you can't use it with any pre-existing structure, and it assumes you have several NPCs living in a single tent in the middle of the woods, with a farming field nearby for some reason, which confuses me. I usually set up in labs, or gas stations, or the like. (Heck, I know we'll never have NPC Survivors, but if we did, I'd totally bandit it up and charge absurd fees for guzzoline at a gas station for as long as the supply held out!)
Post by: AzyWng on August 29, 2018, 12:28:48 pm
Post by: Farce on August 29, 2018, 03:01:43 pm
Somewhat relatedly I was just sorta reminiscing about one of my favorite runs of Cataclysm, eons ago, before static spawn, when vehicles were still a mod. A Hulk got jammed in the windshield of my mostly-totalled car and had beat me basically to the edge of death, when I remembered I had an MP5, which, even while untrained, I managed to magdump it into it, somehow getting off every shot until it died, without any gun skill, because it kept the thing stunned or something. They were deadly panic buttons that were super constrained because of ammo, and because they were loud, they would call more trouble eventually, which was neat.
So like, y'know, that 90 degrees thing was super annoying, because I'd aimed the thing by just pointing a fingergun at the zombie while the gun dangled on the extended finger or something. It was super weird and immersion breaking. I think I still had the issue of 'literally cannot shoot zombie dogs and other small stuff' too, which was also aggravating? I guess what I'm asking is 'are those particular things gone yet'.
Post by: lastofthelight on August 29, 2018, 03:23:16 pm
Maybe a few months back I picked up Cata again, tried to shoot something, and had the bullet go like 90 degrees to the left of what I was pointing it at. While aiming. I heard guns were buffed, is this sort of nonsense still in?
Somewhat relatedly I was just sorta reminiscing about one of my favorite runs of Cataclysm, eons ago, before static spawn, when vehicles were still a mod. A Hulk got jammed in the windshield of my mostly-totalled car and had beat me basically to the edge of death, when I remembered I had an MP5, which, even while untrained, I managed to magdump it into it, somehow getting off every shot until it died, without any gun skill, because it kept the thing stunned or something. They were deadly panic buttons that were super constrained because of ammo, and because they were loud, they would call more trouble eventually, which was neat.
So like, y'know, that 90 degrees thing was super annoying, because I'd aimed the thing by just pointing a fingergun at the zombie while the gun dangled on the extended finger or something. It was super weird and immersion breaking. I think I still had the issue of 'literally cannot shoot zombie dogs and other small stuff' too, which was also aggravating? I guess what I'm asking is 'are those particular things gone yet'.
I don't really use guns much, but throwing is basically impossible. I'm not even sure why throwing is a skill (instead of a function of dexterity) - but throwing things untrained basically means you can't throw even to 'average human norms'. For instance, I do a LOT LOT LOT of lab starts, and throwing matchbombs at the turret is basically impossible; I remember last year I never had a problem with it, but they pretty much move some random difference. I had a grenade once and it took me like five tries to get it farther then two squares.
The bigger issue was - I don't remember for sure how aiming USED to work, but as of the experimentals I'm currently on, you can't 'aim' outside of your field of view, so if you aim farther then a few squares, you have to 'zoom out' and then reaim. I don't know why they did that, I swear I don't think it used to be that way.
The game is still pretty fun though, IMO.
I mean, I'm hardly an expert, but thats my two cents.
Post by: Robsoie on August 30, 2018, 06:38:52 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/25155
That apparently got merged.
Just in time i guess for me to finally give a try to a current build and so get a sound pack, as i remember how great sounds can be when they fit nicely in the Infra Arcana RL .
Seems like the most up to date sound pack is this one :
https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/cdda-soundpack/15329
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This soundpack is based on ChestHole’s soundpack mixed with some RRFSounds, but with some new sounds, some replacements and cleanups to remove crackling, popping and poor looping. The music with rain embedded into them were replaced with new songs as well. This should fix the “it’s raining while it’s not raining bug”. I’ve also added gunfire sounds to all vanilla firearms (as of May 2018). I’ve added a bunch of new songs that match the overall tone of the songs included in the standard ChestHole’s soundpack (which originate from Vulkan’s soundpack).
To install just put the CDDA-Soundpack folder located in the downloaded zip to ...\yourCDDAdirectory\data\sound\
then in the Settings -> Options -> General scroll down , check that is Sound Enabled is set to True and change Basic to CDDA-Soundpack.
After toying around to try to learn the new and different things from the very old version of CDDA i'm still used to, i found this sound pack so far get well with the atmospheres, just maybe the steps are too loud for my taste, hopefully nothing simply editing the soundset.txt file can't fix. I like how the rain sound is slightly muted indoor and get back to normal outdoor
Currently busy to try to survive the Mall Cop scenario until i can explore more around :) i disabled the cloth rot and carrion spawning and enabled the dino mod to see what it does.
Still It looks like you really can't just sitdown and enjoy a meal.
(https://i.imgur.com/kqdz3Yu.gif)
and exiting the mall lead into a zombie dance party apparently
(https://i.imgur.com/I7DInMb.gif)
Running away from the horde didn't proved difficult as plain luck i had a forest close by.
But noticing a labrador dying from a moose attack reminded me of the mighty mooses of old versions.
I have no idea if mooses are still on a human murdering mission as they were in the past versions, but the guy sure is after me, i'm running as fast as i can but he's right on my track
(https://i.imgur.com/5M0oDtU.gif)
So far it's good fun, not yet ran into interface or keypresses problem either, though maybe i should have increased the NPC spawn rate to help with providing some distraction to the horde in the mall so i could explore less dangerously :) .
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 30, 2018, 09:35:24 pm
Post by: AzyWng on August 30, 2018, 09:45:23 pm
It's deterred moose before when I played.
Post by: pisskop on August 30, 2018, 09:46:44 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 30, 2018, 09:51:38 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 30, 2018, 09:55:09 pm
It makes me soo happy that I am the one to standardize moose yelling.
Mercifully they haven't mainlined mooseseses being able to punt people into orbit. XP
Post by: Not good with names on August 31, 2018, 12:26:54 am
Post by: AzyWng on August 31, 2018, 12:41:49 am
I mean, sure, malls may follow similar layouts, but surely they wouldn't have all the same shops in all the same places?
Post by: pisskop on August 31, 2018, 01:33:43 am
If I knew how to code better . . .It makes me soo happy that I am the one to standardize moose yelling.
Mercifully they haven't mainlined mooseseses being able to punt people into orbit. XP
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 31, 2018, 02:09:56 am
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/365907426270117888/477650773950464010/image.png)
Post by: Robsoie on August 31, 2018, 04:23:10 am
I managed to lose him when we crossed path with another labrador mutt.
For some reason the moose decided to let me go and rushed after the poor dog, i didn't stayed to see the result.
I find amusing that the moose sprite has 2 red eyes as if glowing, it describe very well how i imagined the Cataclysm moose to be : demonic machines of pure hatred and destruction.
In the mall i used the yelling to attract a bunch of zombie in a room, and exited by another door, it allowed me to circle around the location to continue toward the exit without having to deal with the big pack of them.
Post by: AzyWng on August 31, 2018, 09:02:25 am
I find amusing that the moose sprite has 2 red eyes as if glowing, it describe very well how i imagined the Cataclysm moose to be : demonic machines of pure hatred and destruction.
I personally like to think that along with special zombies, spontaneous creation of giant cockroaches from rotting meat, giant bugs, and literal supernatural shit like Mi-gos, hostile moose are a relatively small thing.
My own head canon is that the Cataclysm included something that caused the wildlife to become a hell of a lot more aggressive, kind of like The Long Dark.
Post by: Arcvasti on August 31, 2018, 12:31:16 pm
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Post by: lastofthelight on August 31, 2018, 04:31:10 pm
Post by: scriver on September 01, 2018, 04:02:39 am
Post by: Robsoie on September 01, 2018, 09:36:50 am
I mean, i played a few mall cop start and escaped to a town only to get killed by those damn feral hunters, and every time not a single dinosaur in the mall, in the forest or in the town i was moving around .
Is there a setting that may prevent them to appear ? Or are they supposed to replace the undead (i hope, a jurrasic park themed run could be fun) but it is not working ?
Post by: Broseph Stalin on September 01, 2018, 09:37:52 am
Is the dino mod working on current builds ?I've only ever seen dinosaurs in basements and swamps
I mean, i played a few mall cop start and escaped to a town only to get killed by those damn feral hunters, and every time not a single dinosaur in the mall, in the forest or in the town i was moving around .
Is there a setting that may prevent them to appear ? Or are they supposed to replace the undead (i hope, a jurrasic park themed run could be fun) but it is not working ?
Post by: Robsoie on September 01, 2018, 10:08:42 am
edit : as i found a lot of frozen solid food, and my character was hungry, i decided to use some matchbox to start a fire and use my pan to hopefully defrost something.
My safe house had a few shrubs around, i decided to not use the ones that were right next the walls, because i imagined that with my luck it would somehow transfer the fire and goodbye safehouse.
So i choose the shrub that was at 2 tiles from my house instead.
Then i started the fire. At the time to take the pan i remembered that i had left it where i found it, in another house, fortunately not too far from my base.
After getting there and back , when i entered my house i started to see message about mycharacter "hearing crash"
I was a bit worried that a zombie or worse a moose had somehow managed to get in there while i was away.
So i rushed to my large bedroom and
(https://i.imgur.com/hedAEhK.jpg)
Uh oh, i guess 2 tiles between the shrub and the house wasn't a safe enough distance
I'll have to save all i can and go to another house, damn all those window boarding and tapping for nothing.
Post by: King Zultan on September 02, 2018, 04:36:18 am
Post by: Robsoie on September 02, 2018, 06:56:11 am
Then have the friendly dog stay in the same room where you left the cow, so -hopefully- if a wolf spawn out of air in it (that would be a bug anyways), the dog may fight it instead of letting the cow be killed.
edit : today a moose learned that wanting to murder everything can be a bad idea
(https://i.imgur.com/yHZcRXI.gif)
Post by: Robsoie on September 02, 2018, 08:31:59 am
With the default setting when i enabled random NPC i saw 0 random NPC in all my characters run crossing whole cities, the only one i saw are if i turn static NPC on (so i see the guy at the shelter or in the mall starts)
Decided to turn the spawn rate setting from its default 0.1 to 15.0 ! and still absolutely no random NPC is spawned anywhere i am running into, moved through a whole city and in the wilderness up to the next city in the map, 0 random NPC
Of course observation dones with random npc turned on, and no NPC corpse if i was just unlucky and they were getting killed just before i could see them.
Post by: Lukewarm on September 02, 2018, 10:01:29 am
I get that it's in Clean Water and some food (Another irritation to keep track of), but sometimes it happens while I'm out on the town, I'll @ and just see that I'm irradiated. This isn't after getting hit with a Huge Boomer either.
Post by: Robsoie on September 02, 2018, 10:07:41 am
Is random NPC spawning completely broken in recent versions ?
With the default setting when i enabled random NPC i saw 0 random NPC in all my characters run crossing whole cities, the only one i saw are if i turn static NPC on (so i see the guy at the shelter or in the mall starts)
Decided to turn the spawn rate setting from its default 0.1 to 15.0 ! and still absolutely no random NPC is spawned anywhere i am running into, moved through a whole city and in the wilderness up to the next city in the map, 0 random NPC
Of course observation dones with random npc turned on, and no NPC corpse if i was just unlucky and they were getting killed just before i could see them.
After looking around, i saw this on the cdda discourse board , it's just that bad
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I enabled the debug menu also i looked into the code. I have 13 NPCs on the map, 2 followers, 8 npcs on the farm i helping to turn into a survivor camp and 3 bandits far away. Because the bandits placed to the same place i’m think they are static NPCs too.
In every hour random NPCs has a percentage chance to spawn which is:
NPC_spawn_rate*(0.8 raised to the power of the actual_number_of_NPCs)
So because i have the default spawn rate and 13 NPCs, the chance for a new npc is:
0.1*(0.8 raised to the power of 13)=0.005%
Even with the maximum spawn rate (100) there would be only 5% chance, with 24 NPCs only 0.5% and with 44 NPCs only 0.005%.
:/
edit : set it to the max ( 100 instead of 0.1) and i managed to meet 2 random NPC while exploring a city ...
Post by: Rince Wind on September 02, 2018, 10:20:07 am
How do I keep getting irradiated?
I get that it's in Clean Water and some food (Another irritation to keep track of), but sometimes it happens while I'm out on the town, I'll @ and just see that I'm irradiated. This isn't after getting hit with a Huge Boomer either.
You don't happen to carry a damaged atomic lamp or some other damaged atomic thingy with you, do you?
I had this once, and it took me a long time and a lot of irradiation to find the problem.
Post by: Lukewarm on September 02, 2018, 10:40:33 am
I learned yesterday that the Evening Gown that the Awakened start begins with adds a whopping 7 torso encumberance, which may explain why I've been starting so many games recently, aside from the increased spawn rates. I assumed it was like an undershirt, due to my lack of experience with evening gowns.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on September 02, 2018, 11:57:38 am
Do you have on an evening gown, or a nightgown? Because a nightgown is the thing you're probably supposed to be wearing, a simple, light cloth dress you can just slip on.
An evening gown is a formal dress.
Post by: Lukewarm on September 02, 2018, 12:54:12 pm
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on September 02, 2018, 02:25:58 pm
Post by: Culise on September 02, 2018, 03:00:34 pm
Post by: Robsoie on September 02, 2018, 04:22:36 pm
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Post by: duckman on September 03, 2018, 10:00:55 pm
Thanks to setting the npc encounter rate to 100 as recommended to have a 5% chance of finding any instead of the 0.005% that the default setting allows i finally found a random one "Steven Peterson" with my new character.Be careful about picking fights with NPCs, I've seen level 14+ combat skills on some of them.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: AzyWng on September 04, 2018, 03:43:09 pm
Post by: pisskop on September 04, 2018, 07:18:04 pm
Post by: King Zultan on September 05, 2018, 05:24:41 am
Post by: ollobrains on September 05, 2018, 08:22:46 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on September 06, 2018, 06:10:27 am
After passing away, the game told me the fate of brave "Steven Peterson"Shot in the head, yet still ultimately died of sepsis rather than brain damage? Ouch, sounds like a slow and painful death.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 06, 2018, 08:56:44 pm
Post by: pisskop on September 06, 2018, 09:00:19 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on September 06, 2018, 09:12:21 pm
Post by: pisskop on September 06, 2018, 09:18:38 pm
Post by: Altivera on September 08, 2018, 02:20:19 pm
Season length is being defaulted to 91 days, Thoughts?
Post by: Egan_BW on September 08, 2018, 03:02:04 pm
Post by: Greiger on September 08, 2018, 03:02:13 pm
When I was first playing getting to my first season change as a newbie I considered a major accomplishment and was motivation to keep playing. At 91 day seasons I could see newbie me considering it an unreachable goal, even now as a player that knows what they are doing I rarely get 90 days in before I get bored run out of serious threats and feel there is nothing further to gain from the run. I also see it as less likely anyone will want to experiment with animals or plants, as they likely take significantly longer to yield returns. If I understand correctly construction speed is also tied to season length? I can't see constructions taking longer than they already do and still being bothered with, but I may be misinformed there. It sounds like quite a few systems in the game would be made too long term to ever want to deal with by multiplying the investment time by something like 6.
On the other hand it is probably easier to code for real season lengths, and finding and crafting winter/summer gear will be more worth the trouble, foraging seasonal trees and berries would be more worth the investment at least in your current season, and it may open the way for seasonal zombies and animals, which would otherwise not be around long enough to ever bother with. That could even solve the 90 day boredom if new threats or goals could be introduced seasonally.
Again, leaning against, but not enough to start screaming bloody murder as we are wont here. Feel free to correct me if any of my thoughts are misinformed.
Post by: Robsoie on September 08, 2018, 04:34:29 pm
The game is in danger of becoming boring as you'll be left to wait for several more uneventfull days for the season to change and influence the gameplay differently (temperatures,etc...)
The challenge and interest is when you character is only average, as without being lucky in having all the good loot where you are, you'll have a lof difficulty to achieve those primary goals, and still you have the seasonal change coming and to prepare for, that add a layer of interesting tension.
But with 91 days, that is incredibly long in cdda gameplay term, a player that has a successfull character will become bored easily, as the season will not change fast enough to give him something new to do.
And even the player with average characters will now have long enough time to reach the primary goals , so there's no "time clock" anymore to keep them under interesting tension.
With 91 days they really should find a way to add a lot of possible random events in order to break the boring monotony this is going to introduce
Fortunately season length is still customisable.
Post by: Dutchling on September 08, 2018, 05:09:59 pm
Because while I greatly respect your work and accomplishment in this game the season length rehab feature is insulting to me as a patient with SAD.
Of course I don't dislike all of Cataclysm. Following our latest encounter I tried not playing and it didn't work. I spend lots of hours, ask r7st. Even synchronously sleeping along my characters but when my finger presses d indefinitly my characters don't know what to do except to drop d or not or yes drop it or not or maybe now or not..
As having SAD and the tendency to substance caused by it I feel for players since the only difference between us is I figured out why and I didn't take time travels before reaching that point. Not like I don't get insulted enough for having something the public thinks something about. When I don't get options I sink into chaos, I don't cry and pull my teeth out which is another example of fearmonging but one I would disregard if that meant the other parts were improved upon.
The negative feeling comes three days into development-reduction when the last of things that still looked ok in my room are disappearing.
I read a book once about SAD and length just to be able to defend myself from all the readily made bad judgements. This makes me sensitive to player insulting stuff since it degrades them and me (since i get treated like them) into being something less than human in relation to the dude who thought of the insult who likes insulting as a way of letting off steam. I know how the public treats players and it's easy to just jump on the train whilst whining about the in comparison minute negative consequences of a life choice ones own brain made and is suffering from. To me there is a difference between acting according to a developmental disorder which ends in impulsive players or consciously doing evil in the world with no brain damage to explain it.
Those are the most hateful people when it comes to season length calling. Those being in denial of their own length and/or wrongdoing.
It's strong in my opinion not to do bad and excuse it with being amongst the majority(wow). But to be fair instead to those less fortunate by at least getting their problem right when incorporating it into whatever you make.
Then you can have all the negative thoughts about players that you want. But please respect them enough not to let the data that depicts them ingame make it seem like an impossible choice that no sane smart guy could ever go for. Because to me friendship, honesty and reliability greatly outsum any socially less accepted trait if that trait allows the former to withstand. I would have more fun if I weren't exasperated every once in a while about the season lengths you give the different low end professions. They have the intellectual niveau of the redneck everybody talks about and that is demeaning.
Players are the witches of nowadays and of course there's plenty of absurd people wanting to see someone burn that actually do planned bad but choose not to admit it.
I don't know what I have to do not to get a verbal punch in the face for a serious request I have but if you are already typing some insult please refrain i don't want to fight anyone or put myself above anyone.
And by making the effects worse than they are you implicitly tell those people that nobody sane could ever be stupid enough to become playered. That may be a nice childhood thought but if it were examined wouldn't hold to be true a bit. And that ignorance pains me because it does wrong people that earn your respect by being human, regardless of the choices they have made in their lives. The basic respect you get unless you killed or raped somebody. If anyone did anyone else massive harm they lose that basic respect. Not before. If that's done before it's typical of a developed bored society. And of personal misplaced hate.
The difference between players and the rest of the population is that they chose a season that is limited. An object of length doesnt need to be a substance. Many people have lengths like judging unfairly, but those serve to distance them from positive experience in the long run too. Or women, or porn, or hurting people that don't fight back, seeming respectable.
14 dude is a nice example of a neutral season length. 30 would be an acceptable season length for the 91 days. But 91 days is just morbid.
So again I love the game, I love the work that you do and I think we're not that much unlike each other so please give my suggestion some serious thought before you purge your mental trashfolder with the idea in it.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 08, 2018, 05:18:20 pm
Post by: Dutchling on September 08, 2018, 05:22:57 pm
Post by: Robsoie on September 08, 2018, 06:11:15 pm
Is that copypasta or just word salad?
Looks like copypasta (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/25414) with just a few words replaced to make it look relevant on the case.
But whatever, don't accidentally press the wrong key when trying to attract a group of undead into a minefield :
(https://i.imgur.com/BzltJPD.gif)
:D
Post by: Egan_BW on September 08, 2018, 06:49:46 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on September 09, 2018, 12:23:57 am
That said, my absolute longest game of C:DDA lasted 118 in-game days before I grew bored with wandering the land as a cyborg spider-god anihilating everything in my path and stopped playing. I've never had the patience to play another game as long as that one. Maybe not even a game half as long as that one, honestly. Taking 91 days to change seasons means that seasonal change will have about as much impact on the average player as DC:SS having the game end after hundreds of millions of turns pass will. As I mentioned above, this is quite easy to change. But a new player might not realize that the default season length is the same as having the seasons not change and will just leave it as it is, depriving themselves of experiencing the features that seasonal change brings.
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 09, 2018, 02:03:26 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on September 10, 2018, 07:13:22 pm
Post by: pisskop on September 10, 2018, 08:55:39 pm
Now its a terribad 128 or whatever. And its making seasons even less relevant. Really 20 would have been fine. Or 21 *rolleyes*.
But I dont even play most characters for 50 days, let alone 128.
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 11, 2018, 10:17:18 am
The biggest issue with this is the farming right now can't really be untied from seasonal-scaling without problems. As it is now, at 91-day seasons, crop yield tends to be rather low, but at 14-day seasons it's more than enough if you grow it in quantity. However, there is a big issue with decoupling it from season length: winter has a habit of killing crops. So that means that if the sole exception to "no seasonal scaling" is removed then either the game mechanic needs to be overhauled (and not in the way the since-then-reverted farming overhaul tried to do), or you have to remove the option to change season length.
As for 91-day seasons, sometimes I do that and sometimes I don't. For the most part I'd be okay with it, with the sole exception of succession games. Those are MASSIVELY bogged down by 91-day seasons.
In other news, due to the mutation types PR being merged, while I'm still waiting from Kelenius to expand its usage in the JSON, I've implemented a little thing I'd had on the backburner since not long after I first became a CDDA contributor. Because mutations can get broken as hell if you implement a full line-by-line override (which is not even remotely futureproof), modding in mutations is a risky endeavor. But mutation types basically means you can set cancellation without having to touch vanilla mutations.
So, now another bit of random lore has an in-game representation in Arcana: The Dragonblood Sacrament. (https://github.com/chaosvolt/cdda-arcana-mod/pull/39)
Post by: Urist McManiac on September 11, 2018, 11:01:58 am
I can't believe I am defending Kevin, but this discussion almost makes me think some people just have a bone to pick with him.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 11, 2018, 11:10:08 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 11, 2018, 11:22:46 am
1. People mistakenly thinking that the option has been removed, when it's just the default setting being changed.
2. People concerned about the long-term implications of it.
Thing is, a LOT of discussion has been opened up as a result, making the conversation hard to follow, and it's still not 100% clear what all will happen in terms of "so what next" and such.
And again, see my sentiment: most of what could happen as a follow-up will be to the player's benefit, but there are some things that might go wrong if mishandled.
And that's what I suspect most people who are actually worried by the change are thinking about. Like I said, I don't care about the change ITSELF, but I am keeping an eye on things and trying to figure out what the overall plan is now.
Post by: Urist McManiac on September 11, 2018, 11:33:55 am
Most of the issue I've seen has been about two things:
1. People mistakenly thinking that the option has been removed, when it's just the default setting being changed.
2. People concerned about the long-term implications of it.
Thing is, a LOT of discussion has been opened up as a result, making the conversation hard to follow, and it's still not 100% clear what all will happen in terms of "so what next" and such.
And again, see my sentiment: most of what could happen as a follow-up will be to the player's benefit, but there are some things that might go wrong if mishandled.
And that's what I suspect most people who are actually worried by the change are thinking about. Like I said, I don't care about the change ITSELF, but I am keeping an eye on things and trying to figure out what the overall plan is now.
That's fair and reasonable. But some of the latest post on this thread regarding this particular change read as if the poster is close to quit playing this game just because the DEFAULT season length got changed. That's a lot of negativity for such a small change.
Post by: Aseaheru on September 12, 2018, 10:44:05 am
Post by: Broseph Stalin on September 12, 2018, 11:03:18 am
Post by: Egan_BW on September 12, 2018, 11:24:53 am
Of course, if the intent of the change is that the player actually plays one character for 180+ days, then some game balance changes are in order. Make it harder to become boringly unstoppable over the course of one in game week. Make it easier to survive, so that 90 days is a goal that a beginning player can work their way up to, rather than it seeming impossible. Make some of the tasks you'll undertake, like building, take up more in-game time and less out-of-game time, so that the days pass quicker for the player.
...I don't think that a realistic timescale and engaging gameplay need to be mutually incompatible. For example, I think that in DF development, adventure mode and fortress mode timescales will eventually need to get reconsiled.
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 12, 2018, 11:37:29 am
Of course, if the intent of the change is that the player actually plays one character for 180+ days, then some game balance changes are in order. Make it harder to become boringly unstoppable over the course of one in game week. Make it easier to survive, so that 90 days is a goal that a beginning player can work their way up to, rather than it seeming impossible. Make some of the tasks you'll undertake, like building, take up more in-game time andless out-of-game time,so that the days pass quicker for the player.
None of that is going to be easy to implement in a sane manner. Best-case scenario, you spend most of your time basically playing an idle game as mundane tasks fly by. Worst-case scenario, you have to micromanage everything and have constant interruptions due to sleep, darkness, your tools needing to be reloaded...
By the time winter arrives, there's a risk that you'll be bored even if you haven't become the Juggernaut.
Meanwhile...hmm. Should I go with my idea of adding some of the basic Dragonblood mutations to Seeker of the Arcane's trait list, or not...
Post by: Descan on September 12, 2018, 07:32:57 pm
Of course, they'd be welcome on their own, but eh.
Post by: King Zultan on September 18, 2018, 05:13:38 am
Post by: Gentlefish on September 18, 2018, 10:33:46 am
As for construction that might require an overhaul of code, since there's already "parts" of building. It'd be neat if it could be a "placed" thing that doesn't collide or block sight until construction starts, then you choose to put hours into it and it constructs iteratively until done.
By iteratively I mean, at least in the case of walls, posing as a half-wall with cover and difficult terrain like is already coded as a step after x hours and then finishing after y more hours of work.
Post by: Robsoie on September 18, 2018, 06:55:01 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/projects/2
Post by: Sime on September 19, 2018, 04:43:14 am
Post by: Arcvasti on September 19, 2018, 10:25:59 am
Post by: scourge728 on September 19, 2018, 10:51:30 am
Post by: Egan_BW on September 19, 2018, 11:10:00 am
Ideally creatures would wander around when you're not looking if they have an unblocked path, and even set off traps or fight each other in a kind of abstracted way. Unfortunately we don't have that yet, and may never have it in a game that's not made by toady one.
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 19, 2018, 11:14:48 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 19, 2018, 06:04:04 pm
Post by: Sime on September 20, 2018, 04:43:45 am
Post by: Broseph Stalin on September 20, 2018, 12:24:35 pm
Don't forget dynamic NPCs spawning inside your sealed-up base, stealing all your chicharrones, then telling you that your house is their turf. XP
Yeah that one's a real pain in the ass, AI could use a little love in a couple places. For example when I agreed to help a stranger find an inhaler our moment of human cooperation after the catalysm lost some of it's luster when he went into my trunk, stole half of my food, and I had to shoot him in the face.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 20, 2018, 07:05:32 pm
Or well, maybe it would be fine if you HAD that ability, but NPCs would try to figure out if you're bullshitting them. "Yeah sure, this abandoned lab full of mi-gos is totally your home base, and everything here belongs to you. Riiiight."
Which is, uh, obviously not something easy for AI to figure out. :v
Post by: Descan on September 21, 2018, 01:21:30 pm
Maybe also with a decay modifier so that if you stop using an area for weeks at a time, the NPCs can say "Hey this place looks abandoned, let's see what's good," and steal your shit that you left in an outpost without a guard or anything.
Similarly, if items that have been moved/created have a tag saying so, then the player saying "That pile of food is mine," when it consists of all the food you've scavenged, created, and farmed, vs saying "everything in that grocery store is mine."
Post by: Robsoie on September 21, 2018, 02:44:03 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/8dluldg.jpg)
In the same time, the npc spawning system is so extremely very low (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=149157.msg7844958#msg7844958) by default (unless it's been changed recently as my cdda build is a couple of weeks old) that i'm not sure you can actually find a dynamically spawned NPC anywhere (i sure never did with the default settings, until i set it up to 100 that seems to bring back the older versions of CDDA normal npc spawn rate)
Post by: Robsoie on September 25, 2018, 04:25:22 am
While my friendly npc went to fight in melee, i started to rain crossbow bolts death from a safe enough distance.
It worked nice, the undead were falling , until i saw something coming on the screen.
(https://i.imgur.com/2wNkrWO.jpg)
Never saw this one before in version i used to play, so i checked before doing anything that my character would regret.
https://old.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/9hn82z/skeletal_juggernauts/
ok, i really should have checked what monsters were around in the right screen instead of only focusing on the left one, should have seen this one coming from afar .
I managed to run away fast enough, but we lost the npc that was fighting by himself and my companion managed to catch up with me but was badly injured.
I guess i'll come back to this part of the city when i'll have found something highly damaging or a rocket launcher for this kind of abomination.
Too bad there's no working car around to ram into this thing.
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 11, 2018, 06:09:54 pm
[Edited out as it was kinda really fucking unnecessary]
Also, 0.D is getting closer. Will likely be wrapped up either sometime near the end of the year, or early into next year. Can be hard to tell as new bugs can be hard to predict, which is pretty much universal to all experimental projects and perfectly understandable.
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on October 11, 2018, 06:54:09 pm
So far though I've been having issues keeping a proper base in my own game. First time trying to settle down then attempt a nomadic life by car.
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 11, 2018, 08:12:46 pm
Post by: NullForceOmega on October 11, 2018, 09:46:41 pm
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Thank you for the update, but you might want to edit that exchange out of your post, it might be seen as "inter-forum drama", which Toady has pretty conclusively ruled as 'not ok'.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 11, 2018, 10:14:33 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on October 12, 2018, 08:56:31 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 12, 2018, 10:52:28 am
What would you say is the best tileset at the moment? I personally prefer playing in ascii, but tilesets are preferable when I stream since to some people ascii would be like staring through the matrix.
Of the tilesets in the repo, the Xotto variantion of the MShock series is one of the most complete and still consistent in art style.
If you're willing to snag a third-party tileset, SomeDeadGuy has an even-more-frequently-maintain tileset based off that: https://github.com/SomeDeadGuy/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset (https://github.com/SomeDeadGuy/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset)
As you'll see in the readme, it's also designed to be compatible with a flavor mod that allows you to change hair, skin, etc during character creation.
Post by: Ygdrad on October 12, 2018, 01:15:46 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 12, 2018, 01:45:51 pm
Other than that, I don't know if the effects of these vitamin deficiencies have been implemented yet, or if they're still only in PK's Rebalancing. Would need to give it a test sometime, though I do know that Carnivore eliminates the need for vitamin C.
Post by: Ygdrad on October 12, 2018, 05:47:14 pm
Edit: I'm currently trying to figure out how to get SomeDeadGuy's tileset to work. The readme didn't touch on installation and simply dropping it in the mods folder didn't make it show up in the settings menu for tileset selection.
Edit2: think I got it. had to put one of the folders in the gfx folder
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 12, 2018, 06:15:46 pm
Dissection is the only real thing that's mildly problematic, but I...THINK field dressing doesn't mess with it, so delaying the rot with it has additional use.
Post by: Ygdrad on October 12, 2018, 06:28:23 pm
Butchering has been basically set up to be fully sane now. Quick butchery is pretty much now old-style butchery, but you can't get CBMs from dead augmented monsters that way. Full butchery can also be done on smaller critters at will, is annoying to set up for larger ones, but returns much better yields (enough to make the hassle worth it).
Dissection is the only real thing that's mildly problematic, but I...THINK field dressing doesn't mess with it, so delaying the rot with it has additional use.
Thanks. Do you happen to know about the character customization mod you mentioned? SomeDeadGuy's page had a link (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Li33j-q-qlAwYPW7sa4aDu3QsXUa7v5q), I'm not sure if that's the customization mod or if it needs anything else. It also lacks instructions, the mods archive likely has to be extracted in the mods folder, but what about all those other loose files?
Post by: Robsoie on October 12, 2018, 07:05:54 pm
https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/mshockxotto-tileset-new-thread/15330
My crossbow maniac character is still alive with his pal, probably because we left alone the part of the city in which we saw that murdering abomination that is a skeletal juggernaut.
After a NPC asked us to take care of some monstrosity (if it hasn't changed since the old version it's very likely a Jabberwock, so thanks for the mission but no :D ) i decided instead to go to the next town nearby (the Jabberwock is supposed to its north) to see if i would be more successful in finding food there or something to take out the juggernaut.
We left the base
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Post by: Robsoie on October 13, 2018, 04:38:26 pm
Day 5 was good, i managed to find a working car and got 2 friendly NPC to
2 successfull persuade rolls on a row :)
We explored a bit more of the city as the skeletal juggernaut was nowhere to be seen, killed a bunch of zombies to help with the house looting.
Even managed to get my hand on a hacksaw that allowed to finally cut those damned metal bars that were blocking every window of a gun store.
Only for a massive disapointement once in to see that said gun store had only a few gun part like a ironsight, a scope and some casings but no actual gun :/
Spend the remnant of the day to read a few books, then eat and drink because apparently in the cdda world reading is still making you very hungry and very thirsty .
After some good sleep, Day 6 started.
I thought it was time to refill my clean water stock, taking all the empty bottles mini-bottles and mini-glass bottles that are all only half a liter each (i wonder where are all the 3 liters big bottles in that world) to the small pool in front of a house near my main base.
Then moved to the shrubs, set them to fire and started the clean water craft -> move in empty container repetitive dance.
Such a repetitive process that i was preparing that it made me forget something rather important (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=149157.msg7844277#msg7844277) : fire like to spread on a random tile around when there's some grass
A pity considering there were some brazier nearby that i could have used as they don't spread fire, the oven was too far.
Anyways, it really didn't go smoothly
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So in the end, horrible things happened but the day ended in a very good note.
Funnily the monster left a few rags behind, will be usefull to make the leg splints.
Post by: Jilladilla on October 14, 2018, 07:25:54 am
rags apparently may be able to be obtained from deconstructing beds, but after finding a bed in a house nearby i saw that it wasn't the case at all as deconstructing it led to 0 rags, so i took the blankets and decided to drag those home in order to see if with some cutting tool (as i had none) it would allow me to transform those blankets into the much needed rags.
You try smashing apart the bed? That might be the trick. (Been too long since I touched Cataclysm: DDA to say for certain)
Pretty sure it gives a bunch of rags too.
Post by: Robsoie on October 14, 2018, 07:57:10 am
Maybe that's why it delivered no rags.
But once the big threat was removed and i was back to my base cutting the blankets did the trick, i had enough rags (along the other required items i already had in my stockpiles) to craft 2 leg splint (i had to butcher a bunch of zombie corpses just before in order to get the required survival skill to level 2 too as i just noticed when i was ready that the skill was still at 1)
And my character is now the proud owner of 2 leg splints, hopefully it will not take too many days to get those legs back online
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Post by: Aseaheru on October 14, 2018, 11:13:49 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 14, 2018, 12:52:59 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on October 14, 2018, 12:54:53 pm
Yeah, smashing beds gives rags, taking it apart gives blankets worth more rags.Not a mattress? So unrealistic!
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 14, 2018, 01:08:21 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 14, 2018, 01:57:15 pm
He hasnt made a knife yet.I had plenty of cutting item, unfortunately in those regular looting expedition and dropping the loot at the homebase i unfortunately got rid of anything that could cut.
Leading me to have to go back to base with the blankets in order to get my rags.
Decided to check on the latest experimental to see what changed since the one i'm using (from this summer) and after loading my save and noticing several errors related to some "pot helmet XL", "2x4" and "dry_mushroom_magic" , then finally got a serious crash ingame after playing around for 5mn i finally went back to my previous experimental as i like that current character run and want to keep playing it.
While walking around for a few minutes in the latest experimental it seems that long grass is now a thing because they slow you down (and play the "climb over" sound from my sound pack repeatedly considering there's a lot of long grass everywhere) .
More annoyingly, those long grass didn't appeared on the tileset i was using so considering they slow you down it's just terribly bad when you're hunted to not know where they are.
Unfortunately it looks like the author will not update his tileset anymore
There's this one that has some similarity with it (though some different sprites for most monsters) and is still updated that will show the long grass :
https://github.com/SomeDeadGuy/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset
Post by: Aseaheru on October 14, 2018, 10:32:47 pm
He hasnt made a knife yet.Yes, I know. I was confirming their theories.
Post by: Robsoie on October 16, 2018, 06:49:05 am
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Some bad news
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Post by: MCreeper on October 16, 2018, 03:22:38 pm
Post by: Descan on October 16, 2018, 03:46:24 pm
Like you might as well be asking what's the same, it's a smaller list.
Of course, you're talking about a version from "4 months ago," which... You know, ISN'T the 0.C release, so I don't know what you're asking here.
Post by: MCreeper on October 16, 2018, 04:40:48 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on October 16, 2018, 05:52:16 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 16, 2018, 06:06:10 pm
From time to time i toy with an experimental and then was always going back to old version 0.9 (from 2013) but recently i have been sticking with an experimental i am playing since +/- this summer that i am enjoying enough (with some nice tileset and a soundpack that improve the atmosphere a lot to me) to not yet go back to my old 0.9.
I have tried a few newer experimental versions but crashed a bit too much without knowing why (as there was no ingame error message to report and nothing in the log that i could report, i wonder if it has to do with that world save that was created in an older version before some of the important change) to have any fun, there's apparently several changed game mechanics since the summer version i'm still using but i'll wait until the whole thing get more stable (as while there have been some errors messages, i never yet crashed with the experimental i use) to try again a newer version and see how the game is after those changes.
After all they're trying to go for a stable 0.D "soon".
Anyways, there have been some events for my character since my last report
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Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 16, 2018, 08:47:51 pm
It has a 10% chance to instead do a bad though.
Post by: AzyWng on October 17, 2018, 01:05:19 am
Again, I don't play very much because much of the time I don't make it past the first few days...
Post by: Ygdrad on October 17, 2018, 08:32:05 am
I'm futilely asking "what version makes most sense/most enjoyable", as many before me. :P
I've personally always played the latest experimental unless there's something problematic or a new feature just got added but makes the game hard to play due to not being tweaked yet, in which case I may hold back on updating further for a bit. The wiki might be out of date on a bunch of stuff, but you can still make use of the CDDA item browser (http://cdda-trunk.chezzo.com), and if you have any question about mechanics or strategies, the CDDA discord is very helpful. The game is basically open source so you can also just have a look at the files and code and figure out all the intricacies of certain mechanics with some quick searches. Usually, if an addition or change is very divisive you'll soon have a mod that disables or changes it which you can use if you absolutely must have it the old way to have fun. I personally just get used to the new balance and push onward.
Don't be scared of the crashes either. You can enable the autosave in the options, the default settings for it save the game every 5 minutes and 50 turns. Coupled with the game's relatively short loading times, this means a crash doesn't really cost you much time at all most of the time. With the current version, crashes haven't been super common, but they'll still usually happen once or twice a day depending on how long I play.
Post by: Robsoie on October 17, 2018, 12:43:45 pm
It started well
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But from there
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It was sad but i didn't noticed at the time what exactly happened.
After that i started to notice my character mood falling into the red " ): " , i thought it had to do with the loss of a team member, though that team member was not one for much long, and i had lost in battle many friendly NPC already without that kind of morale hit, so it was a bit puzzling there.
And that got much wronger
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I was so annoyed i just stopped playing, there are people suggesting that editing the save could help solve this problem in case someone run into that crap and want to still keep playing :
https://old.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/2uqdik/how_do_i_cure_depression/coas8pb/
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Post by: Il Palazzo on October 17, 2018, 04:59:23 pm
For clarity: it's not that I'm missing components, the recipe isn't even listed.
I'm playing the experimental from a few days back.
edit: nvrmnd - that's just a wonky wiki I've been using
Post by: Liber celi on October 18, 2018, 01:23:41 am
Will be back for the eventual 0.D release but i'll go play something else meanwhile.Thanks for the storytimes, it was nice to see this thread in the New Replies list for some reason else than github drama again!
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 18, 2018, 02:36:52 pm
The game started crashing like crazy as of late, to the point where I can't get to another autosave (5 min). Loading takes ages too.
I suspect it's to do with save bloat, as the problem was there before occasionally, but got worse as I kept exploring the world (I'm driving around >a lot<) and building up my doom buggy. World map files take up 100 Mb, the character ~60 Mb.
Although I seem to recollect this not being a problem back when I played DDA the last time, with similar play style, maybe a year ago or so.
I don't see anything regarding major instability in the latest experimentals, but again, maybe I'm just not looking right. Tried a few of the latest versions, both tiles and console. No change.
I've got the vanilla mods in, plus boats, modular turrets(?), and alternative map key. Doesn't seem like anything could cause issues here.
So, questions:
1. Any easy way to alleviate this?
2. Can I maybe purge some save files manually? Which bits can be safely deleted without breaking the save? I tried to delete all map files, but that deleted my car from under me as well (and did not seem to speed up loading significantly).
3. If you've seen this discussed somewhere else, do give us a linky, thx.
Post by: Robsoie on October 18, 2018, 05:40:10 pm
Thanks for the storytimes, it was nice to see this thread in the New Replies list for some reason else than github drama again!Happy to see my character cdda misfortunes were entertaining :D
The game started crashing like crazy as of late, to the point where I can't get to another autosave (5 min). Loading takes ages too.
the experimentals i tested since a couple of week are crashing (of the type "catathingy.exe has caused an error" that leave no trace in the cdda logs to report) regularly, even when trying a new world (sometime just running through a street where lots of undead are roaming around can crash, sometime it works without problem, meaning i couldn't even report with a save on github to reproduce whatever bug is happening).
And that's probably why i always came back to the experimental i got from around summer and that never produced this kind of crash on my posts about my character attempt at surviving, and out of question to play cdda anymore without that amazing tileset and soundpack in case they're part of the recent problem.
for save editing for less bloat there's this :
https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/way-to-reduce-save-file-size/4047/8
that has some interesting pointer on which file to delete.
edit : it's from 2013 so save files system may have changed since then.
A good idea is to load your save, walk around your house/car and save.
Quit then in the \maps\ various subfolders of your save delete all the files that aren't the ones that were just saved/modified.
It will then keep your house/car for the next time but will "regenerate" everything else in your world (so monsters and items will be randomly generated as if it was the first time you entered their tiles).
This should cut a lot on the amount of loading time of your save
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 19, 2018, 05:41:14 am
Post by: Robsoie on October 21, 2018, 04:15:06 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/26276
If i understand well the github this just got into the latest experimental. so hopefully it should help with your save issue if you download the latest build.
Now another performance big improvement should come from this other pull request, at the time i write it does not seem to be yet merged into experimental but once done it should fix completely all those laggy menu (drop, wash etc..)
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/26331
And while i remember, on reddit someone made this useful key sheet when refering to the ingame binding menu can be a pain
https://old.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/9oml15/i_created_my_own_basic_controls_cheat_sheet_so_i/
https://i.imgur.com/4NZfr1Q.jpg
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 21, 2018, 04:56:48 pm
Still crashing each time I try to get into a town or anywhere more taxing than grasslands. And I timed the loading process - 2.5 minutes each and every time.
But thanks for the heads-up, Robsoie. I'll keep checking new builds as they get pushed.
It was way too much effort to get Mr Hawking out of the hospital and build him a brand new wheelchair of doom to just abandon the save.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 23, 2018, 06:21:45 pm
I'm gonna keep this experimental stashed for safekeeping.
Post by: Robsoie on October 23, 2018, 06:59:22 pm
(edit : and from what i see the various lag in drop and wash menu are now fixed too, the pull request has been merged)
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 23, 2018, 07:14:58 pm
Which one fixed your problem ?8070. But I skipped two of the earlier ones, so I'm not sure which one did it.
Post by: Robsoie on October 23, 2018, 08:29:42 pm
Confirmed by giving a try that 8070 has indeed the previously mentionned lag bug in drop (and wash) menus fixed, this one was very annoying considering how much time i spend looting buildings and then dropping the useful stuff in my base.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 24, 2018, 12:31:57 am
Post by: Robsoie on October 24, 2018, 06:10:05 am
Though unfortunately it looks like a moose isn't the biggest threat anymore
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Post by: Il Palazzo on October 24, 2018, 06:42:43 am
Post by: Robsoie on October 24, 2018, 12:47:08 pm
The fire being in the grass spread around and oddly took that shape after a while.
I guess it's an omen of things to come :D
Post by: n9103 on October 24, 2018, 01:04:23 pm
But I'm a Winamp fan, so what do I know :P
Post by: Gentlefish on October 24, 2018, 01:14:49 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 24, 2018, 02:06:47 pm
And for something completely different, has anyone found any use for USB drives with or without the various software?
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 24, 2018, 02:24:48 pm
Medical and mic software are quest items for NPC's.
USBs themselves can be dissassembled for RAM sticks.
Post by: AzyWng on October 24, 2018, 06:17:35 pm
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Post by: Culise on October 24, 2018, 07:48:15 pm
Can anyone think of a way to make a retractable blast shield for a car's windshield, that one could somehow raise from the inside? All I can think of is a line of doors on the bonnet, but that'd require leaving the car to open or close.Does the blast shield have to be on the outside of the windshield? For steel, ceramic, or other rigid materials, slipping a slatted sliding door in the roof is a possible option if it's inside, and it may be viable even if it needs to cover the glass: it can rest on rollers that can be used to push it forward until gravity drops it over the windshield. You lose the ability to waterseal it, though, especially if it's outside and you physically need to move it from inside, and the rails on the outside may end up being unprotected depending on how you build it. Likewise, for folks who have been in a car that predates power windows, they have crank handles for side doors that may be options for any such sliding door in the roof or hood: gears work as well as physically pushing the shield. Strictly, depending on what you want it for, you may not even need rigid blast covers: blast curtains made out of ballistic fiber like these (https://blasttac.com/blast-protection-military-police/) can provide lightweight protection as well, and if I recall, ballistic fiber is already in the game.
And for something completely different, has anyone found any use for USB drives with or without the various software?
Also, I'm not sure if it's in the game since I haven't played in a year or three, but ballistic glass might also be a straight option without any need for special armor.
Post by: AzyWng on October 24, 2018, 08:12:31 pm
Especially since drinks now freeze in the cold. In spring (?).
Any tips on not dying to hordes, acquiring enough gear to avoid freezing, and other such tips?
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 24, 2018, 08:52:04 pm
Any tips on not dying to hordes, acquiring enough gear to avoid freezing, and other such tips?Cars are your friend. You'll need:
- a water-tight container. A plastic bottle or a gallon jug will do. Easy to find in kitchens;
- a rubber hose. Obtained from smashing a fridge with something heavy;
So a first house or a couple should leave you equipped with the tools. Avoid all combat; remember you can run. Keep checking outlying cars. Siphon fuel from those without wheels, batteries, keys, seats etc. Cars tend to be in a various states of disrepair, but it's usually just one thing, lack of fuel being one of them. When you have some fuel on you, getting a car is not that difficult. When you find one that works, drive it to another, and siphon more fuel. Now you are protected from the elements, and can kill shit if needed. Keep driving around, collecting easy to grab random shit, and upgrading your car. Armoured cars and Humvees are obvious choices.
Does the blast shield have to be on the outside of the windshield? For steel, ceramic, or other rigid materials, slipping a slatted sliding door in the roof is a possible option if it's inside, and it may be viable even if it needs to cover the glass: it can rest on rollers that can be used to push it forward until gravity drops it over the windshield. You lose the ability to waterseal it, though, especially if it's outside and you physically need to move it from inside, and the rails on the outside may end up being unprotected depending on how you build it. Likewise, for folks who have been in a car that predates power windows, they have crank handles for side doors that may be options for any such sliding door in the roof or hood: gears work as well as physically pushing the shield. Strictly, depending on what you want it for, you may not even need rigid blast covers: blast curtains made out of ballistic fiber like these (https://blasttac.com/blast-protection-military-police/) can provide lightweight protection as well, and if I recall, ballistic fiber is already in the game.I'm pretty sure none of those things are doable in the game. Maybe with some car-related mods, but I wouldn't know.
Post by: King Zultan on October 25, 2018, 02:54:36 am
Can anyone think of a way to make a retractable blast shield for a car's windshield, that one could somehow raise from the inside? All I can think of is a line of doors on the bonnet, but that'd require leaving the car to open or close.You can put opaque doors on a line of frames in front of the windshields then put a door motor on the doors, so you can close and open them with the controls. Door motors need small electric motors.
Post by: Robsoie on October 25, 2018, 05:50:54 am
Any tips on not dying to hordes, acquiring enough gear to avoid freezing, and other such tips?
There's something that is useful often found around the towns
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For the freezing, before you're experienced with the game i suggest you play on an "eternal" summer to get comfortable with the game mechanics.
The possible cons of starting in summer may be that you may find less "normal" zombies and more though ones.
If you play on normal gameplay (and so have to face the freezing that spring give in cdda) a starting scenario that put you in a shelter, the lockers have blankets , you can wear blanket they're going to keep you warm (just make sure to not try to fight monsters while wearing it as cosplaying as a ghost is making moving difficult :D )
Post by: Altivera on October 25, 2018, 12:07:10 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 25, 2018, 02:08:02 pm
I can't seem to pickup frozen water from toilets. Anyone got any clues how I can defrost it?Light the house on fire?
Post by: Aseaheru on October 25, 2018, 02:49:52 pm
I hope someone plans on adding insulated or warmable vehicle tanks due to the wonders of frozen liquids.
Post by: Robsoie on October 25, 2018, 07:23:44 pm
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Now some warning about the camp feature
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Post by: Culise on October 25, 2018, 07:29:22 pm
My apologies; I didn't parse the context properly, and thought we were considering ideas for development. That was my error. Looks like King Zultan had a better idea for in-game. ^_^Does the blast shield have to be on the outside of the windshield? For steel, ceramic, or other rigid materials, slipping a slatted sliding door in the roof is a possible option if it's inside, and it may be viable even if it needs to cover the glass: it can rest on rollers that can be used to push it forward until gravity drops it over the windshield. You lose the ability to waterseal it, though, especially if it's outside and you physically need to move it from inside, and the rails on the outside may end up being unprotected depending on how you build it. Likewise, for folks who have been in a car that predates power windows, they have crank handles for side doors that may be options for any such sliding door in the roof or hood: gears work as well as physically pushing the shield. Strictly, depending on what you want it for, you may not even need rigid blast covers: blast curtains made out of ballistic fiber like these (https://blasttac.com/blast-protection-military-police/) can provide lightweight protection as well, and if I recall, ballistic fiber is already in the game.I'm pretty sure none of those things are doable in the game. Maybe with some car-related mods, but I wouldn't know.
Post by: duckman on October 27, 2018, 03:46:02 am
Don't those only operate one door at a time? Or is it different for connected doors that open and close all adjacent doors at once?Can anyone think of a way to make a retractable blast shield for a car's windshield, that one could somehow raise from the inside? All I can think of is a line of doors on the bonnet, but that'd require leaving the car to open or close.You can put opaque doors on a line of frames in front of the windshields then put a door motor on the doors, so you can close and open them with the controls. Door motors need small electric motors.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 27, 2018, 04:47:33 am
No, it works as a unit. If you make a line of doors that open together, like sliding doors or hatches, then one (tiny) motor opens them all.Don't those only operate one door at a time? Or is it different for connected doors that open and close all adjacent doors at once?Can anyone think of a way to make a retractable blast shield for a car's windshield, that one could somehow raise from the inside? All I can think of is a line of doors on the bonnet, but that'd require leaving the car to open or close.You can put opaque doors on a line of frames in front of the windshields then put a door motor on the doors, so you can close and open them with the controls. Door motors need small electric motors.
It works pretty good. The only downside is that cameras I've installed to provide vision when the blast shield is up are extremely fragile. Given the amount of zombie ramming I do, by the time I may need to raise the shield, I might have to drive blind.
Post by: Robsoie on October 27, 2018, 09:07:56 am
Post by: King Zultan on October 27, 2018, 09:13:43 am
Don't those only operate one door at a time? Or is it different for connected doors that open and close all adjacent doors at once?They open regular doors individually or you can open them all at once, and connected doors open all at once no mater what.
The only downside is that cameras I've installed to provide vision when the blast shield is up are extremely fragile. Given the amount of zombie ramming I do, by the time I may need to raise the shield, I might have to drive blind.The only thing I can think of to protect the cameras would be to ether put armor where the camera is or to place a row of frames or rams in front of the blast shield.
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 27, 2018, 10:25:50 am
The only thing I can think of to protect the cameras would be to ether put armor where the camera is or to place a row of frames or rams in front of the blast shield.Oh, they're armoured alright. The issue is, they stop working properly pretty much as soon as they get any damage whatsoever (I've had yellow ones dying on me). I now have three up front for some redundancy, but they can't be repaired with a welder, so at this rate I'll have to start mass-producing glue in not-too-far future.
I already have rams as a buffer, which stops most splatterfodder - but not all of it. And the car would be too long to drive comfortably with additional frames.
I could of course replace the opaque hatches with see-through hatches for a rather tiny loss in hitpoints, but I'm stubbornly attached to them being solid. Oh well.
Post by: teoleo on October 27, 2018, 10:58:52 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 27, 2018, 11:09:32 am
time ago i can't save when cruise a car because a bug... this is fixed?Yes.
Post by: teoleo on October 27, 2018, 12:46:18 pm
Post by: FrankVill on October 28, 2018, 12:21:50 pm
Do CDDA has any roadmap for a long term? I would like sight about this game, but main website http://en.cataclysmdda.com seems like abandoned.
Are there any plans for a possible 0.D version?
Post by: jcd on October 28, 2018, 12:59:41 pm
The new site is https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/
You can also check the project's activity in https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/
Post by: FrankVill on October 28, 2018, 04:31:40 pm
Post by: Eschar on October 28, 2018, 05:29:02 pm
And, well... (https://imgur.com/a/UWevOZ2)
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 28, 2018, 05:35:08 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 28, 2018, 06:15:47 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/26306
While waiting for the theme to be removed once this halloween silly thing will be ended, you may want to try in YourCDDAfolder\data\title\
to delete the file
Code: [Select]
en.halloweenthen make a copy of
Code: [Select]
en.titleand rename this copy Code: [Select]
en.halloweenThis should get you the old title theme back hopefully it's still compatible with the smaller window.
Post by: teoleo on October 29, 2018, 09:41:51 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 29, 2018, 09:51:21 am
is possible to save the world generation option??From the main menu go to Settings>Options>World Defaults (use tab to navigate the options screen).
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 29, 2018, 05:43:20 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 30, 2018, 04:45:04 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/srzYJ3y.gif)
Post by: King Zultan on October 31, 2018, 02:54:48 am
Post by: teoleo on October 31, 2018, 05:43:19 am
Post by: Robsoie on October 31, 2018, 05:49:58 am
Post by: King Zultan on October 31, 2018, 05:56:02 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 01, 2018, 09:52:32 pm
http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Tough
Post by: Aseaheru on November 02, 2018, 11:44:41 am
Dont know if its a matter of something not being added yet, or something being removed before things that are dependent on it, but whatever it is, its damn tedious to A) find the right file and B) remove some 75 lines of flags so I can actually get a game working.
And after fighting to clear out the errors, its starting to feel like someone decided to do some major work on flags fer monsters and totally halfassed it. So no CDDA fer me today. Hurrah.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 02, 2018, 12:01:31 pm
Is there a way of losing the Frail trait, without going for post-treshold mutations in the beastly aspects? I thought I could maybe guzzle some gallons of mutagen and with some luck get Tough, but now that I'm reading the wiki, it says it has the targetted mutation tag, without being assigned to any aspect. Soo... it can't be gained outside of character generation? Do I understand this right?
http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Tough
From what I read on the Wiki http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Traits (http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Traits), which admits itself to being inaccurate:
"Traits are very hard to get rid off, and only in rare occasions, involving thresholds you can sometimes change them."
but then it says
"You cannot change starting traits normally, and purifier will try to give them back to you. But if you really want to change your starting traits you can use the mutate option of the debug menu."
Sorry I can't be of more help. And the wiki really shouldn't contract itself.
Post by: duckman on November 03, 2018, 05:45:05 am
The wiki is a horrible mishmash of up-to-date and outdated because the constant updates basically guarantee that even if they could actually be bothered to update it, which is the other problem, it would likely become irrelevant within 3 months of the change. Also, I remember their spam/bot filter being broken AF, so you couldn't actually confirm if you were human or not after editing or trying to register an account.Is there a way of losing the Frail trait, without going for post-treshold mutations in the beastly aspects? I thought I could maybe guzzle some gallons of mutagen and with some luck get Tough, but now that I'm reading the wiki, it says it has the targetted mutation tag, without being assigned to any aspect. Soo... it can't be gained outside of character generation? Do I understand this right?
http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Tough
From what I read on the Wiki http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Traits (http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Traits), which admits itself to being inaccurate:
"Traits are very hard to get rid off, and only in rare occasions, involving thresholds you can sometimes change them."
but then it says
"You cannot change starting traits normally, and purifier will try to give them back to you. But if you really want to change your starting traits you can use the mutate option of the debug menu."
Sorry I can't be of more help. And the wiki really shouldn't contract itself.
Post by: IcyTea31 on November 05, 2018, 04:08:48 am
why found a backpack is almost impossible...i have searched on two cities and no see one.....Sporting goods and military surplus stores are your best bet. Hardware stores and clothing stores have other good storage chest pieces (such as tool belts and messenger bags). And if you really can't find anything better, you can craft a belt pouch, though it's pretty encumbering for its storage.
Post by: Robsoie on November 05, 2018, 08:17:54 am
I planted these bunch of berries/other wild edible plants probably 55+ days ago and while the seeds evolved into another stage (the "seedling" one actually, so there are apparently more stages to go), there's still nothing that can be gathered there
(https://i.imgur.com/eNWPE2a.jpg)
(on the farm expansion of my faction camp, there's a lot more of them (as i even upgraded the farm to have more plots), but they're probably "only" 30 days old)
So it looks like berry farming isn't really something usable anymore (as in before the season length change the slowest growing plants were going through all their growing stage in 12 days) if you're in the middle of nowhere in term of food and foraging.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 05, 2018, 11:00:11 am
why found a backpack is almost impossible...i have searched on two cities and no see one.....
Using ctrl v in mounds of zombie corpses allows you to find dirty clothes such as backpacks or MOLLE packs on zoldiers, etc. Really look around if you want to find things.
Post by: AzyWng on November 05, 2018, 02:08:02 pm
Post by: Robsoie on November 05, 2018, 02:16:10 pm
As i don't play anymore with filthy clothing, i don't remember if you need "clean" water or if regular one can work.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 05, 2018, 02:42:25 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on November 05, 2018, 03:01:52 pm
Post by: Robsoie on November 07, 2018, 06:12:17 pm
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Post by: Robsoie on November 08, 2018, 05:26:30 pm
Yet my character :
(https://i.imgur.com/QKm4bZv.jpg)
:D
Post by: Sergius on November 11, 2018, 12:03:30 pm
It's spring, day 28 and I still can't plant anything, it says it's "too cold". I wonder if that's a bug? Or is the game supposed to be unnaturally cold?
I've tried every day, even right now I'm comfortable (rising) while outdoors, and can't plant. I guess I'll try again in summer.
Post by: Robsoie on November 11, 2018, 05:02:37 pm
It's possible to play in an eternal summer if you don't want to deal with this freezing cdda spring annoyance
Post by: Aseaheru on November 11, 2018, 10:02:21 pm
Post by: Sergius on November 12, 2018, 01:40:32 am
The problem is that without sun there's no electricity. I made a foot cranked generator in the basement I've been living in (those with sandbags) so maybe I'll modify it with parts from another electric vehicle to fit swappable batteries in case the car runs out.
Some things seem to take way longer than advertised, such as my charcoal smoker, keeps saying "will be done in 5 hours" but is more like 5 days.
Post by: Robsoie on November 13, 2018, 09:00:31 am
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Post by: EuchreJack on November 14, 2018, 02:42:35 am
Post by: Robsoie on November 14, 2018, 07:11:19 am
Or do you mean the expansions (farm, kitchen, garage, blacksmith ...) you can add every couple of upgrades ?
Post by: Robsoie on November 14, 2018, 05:54:14 pm
The reason is that it duplicate hugely monsters of any kind due to a bug , spawning them so much that they will be put even in completely cleared zones.
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/26683
a gif of what to expect :D
https://old.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/9x2ciu/with_zui_quan_game_is_still_playable_after_last/
While it's funny to see absurdly big hordes of doom (especially if before updating you spent a night in a cleared city building, you get out and after a couple of minute there are insane amount of monster everywhere), if you were attached to your current character and his world, this is very likely to ruin your actual fun in the case you don't have any previous backup of your save (if you regularly use a newer experimental, make sure to always make a backup of a save in case things go very wrong, like it is the case in the 2 mentionned builds)
bug isn't present in build 8166 , and as the commit was reverted, it shouldn't be present in build 8169
Post by: ollobrains on November 14, 2018, 09:01:52 pm
Post by: King Zultan on November 15, 2018, 04:29:42 am
Post by: ollobrains on November 17, 2018, 07:12:23 pm
They just restored the ability to fix vehicle batteries while they're installed in a vehicle
that's a start if u break down or make upgrades and break something
Post by: Robsoie on November 18, 2018, 01:32:28 pm
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Post by: Aseaheru on November 18, 2018, 04:34:04 pm
Spoiler: On the national guard camp (click to show/hide)
Post by: Robsoie on November 20, 2018, 07:26:34 pm
It's related to a new PR that got merged
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/26488
So until they fix it, stay with build 8194 or previous to get a much more stable game.
Additionally, the most excellent and always up to date tileset MSX-DeadPeopleEdition is now included in the experimental (as nearly all the other tilesets are either old or abandonned enough to have many items and monsters not using tiles).
No idea if they will maintain it the same as SomeDeadGuy does, as he updates nearly daily, here's his github in case you want to get his latest work :
https://github.com/SomeDeadGuy/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset
Post by: Broseph Stalin on November 26, 2018, 10:16:03 pm
Edit: It was avast, apparently stuck in quiet mode, quarantining the file. I'd apologize to windows for assuming that it was responsible for the fuck up but in my investigation of the problem I discovered the IT administrator of my personal computer had apparently locked certain features of Defender.
Post by: Aseaheru on November 27, 2018, 09:31:07 am
Post by: Robsoie on November 27, 2018, 10:31:48 am
As i'm still running though my 8194 world, i have ceased to update until i'm finished with it so i have no idea which exact build had this light crashing bug fixed.
To be sure you don't get the light crash bug, just download the latest experimental anyways or get back to a 8194 and less.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on November 27, 2018, 09:22:32 pm
Post by: Sergius on November 28, 2018, 09:12:25 am
Post by: Broseph Stalin on November 28, 2018, 01:35:58 pm
Post by: Majestic7 on November 28, 2018, 02:18:18 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 28, 2018, 04:32:50 pm
Post by: beorn080 on November 28, 2018, 05:47:18 pm
No I'm playing eternal summer which some research and intuition suggests actually means eternal early spring.I recall a bug that caused eternal starts to lock eternal in as day 1 of spring if the world is generated as eternal season. I'm not sure if it's been corrected, but the temp fix was to generate the world without that setting, then switch it once playing.
Post by: Sergius on November 29, 2018, 09:12:04 am
So I haven't played for a while. Are the recent builds still plagued with UnFun amounts of detail needing manual busywork? Like having to clean your clothes with a separate command an item of clothing at the time and stuff?
You use the washboard item, then an UI pops up to choose dirty clothes from your inventory. After that it tells you how much soap and water you'll need.
Alternatively if you're using a powered vehicle rig you can just fill it up a wash machine with dirty clothes and turn it on (needs water from vehicle tanks).
Post by: Broseph Stalin on November 29, 2018, 12:02:56 pm
I recall a bug that caused eternal starts to lock eternal in as day 1 of spring if the world is generated as eternal season. I'm not sure if it's been corrected, but the temp fix was to generate the world without that setting, then switch it once playing.Tried it, no effect.
Post by: Robsoie on November 29, 2018, 01:10:23 pm
Maybe you're only in very early summer and for whatever reason there's still the cdda arctic-level of spring going on only for for few first summer days ?
Post by: Broseph Stalin on November 29, 2018, 01:15:38 pm
This is odd, on an experimental from some months ago i had played an eternal summer run that took 2 summer cycles (as once you reach 3 months of summer you go back to the 1st day of summer) before i decided to go play on another world (as my save was way too big by then so i just deleted it) and i don't remember having to deal with those stupid constant freezing.
Maybe you're only in very early summer and for whatever reason there's still the cdda arctic-level of spring going on only for for few first summer days ?
I went through the whole summer 1 o summer 1 reset. It was getting down to 14 degrees. It never got warm enough to plant anything.
Post by: Gentlefish on November 30, 2018, 11:32:21 am
Okay but now when do "wet" clothes start and you need to air-dry (Or a dryer for) them or suffer cold penalties when they dry on you?
Post by: Blood_Librarian on November 30, 2018, 12:08:52 pm
I'm pretty sure wet clothes can air dry just fine, as towels become when you use them and it takes like 30 minutes to an hour for them to clean. I wouldnt keep it in the inventory though
Post by: Majestic7 on November 30, 2018, 01:18:48 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 30, 2018, 01:23:03 pm
Are there any forks or mods that remove unnecessary busywork like cleaning your clothes?There should be an option during world creation, allowing you to remove filthy clothes (it's loaded as one of the default mods).
Post by: Broseph Stalin on November 30, 2018, 01:27:58 pm
In game news I've got a full camp, full blacksmith, full kitchen, and full farm up and running. Raided two libraries and have all the books necessary to crank out competent trappers, shooters, and fabricators. Really loving it, only thing that could make it better would be a way to have my skilled NPC's read to my unskilled NPC's so I don't have to have such an active role in story time.
Post by: Sergius on November 30, 2018, 06:29:47 pm
The Wet Morale penalty can be fixed with a towel with the activate function.
I'm pretty sure wet clothes can air dry just fine, as towels become when you use them and it takes like 30 minutes to an hour for them to clean. I wouldnt keep it in the inventory though
I've never seen wet clothes, I think wet is only a mood debuff on the player with a duration (like eating nasty food), not a clothing attribute. Clothes simply either protect you from rain or not. I used to carry an umbrella when not fighting, but not since I got my survivor trenchcoat and pants which keep me dry.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on November 30, 2018, 10:22:54 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on December 08, 2018, 08:34:04 am
Being totally unable to get a fresh update and play for a week at a time because some dumbfuck cant be bothered to check if their changes causes the game to refuse to load anything is just... Arragh.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on December 08, 2018, 10:33:06 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on December 08, 2018, 12:42:00 pm
Goddamn I wish the idiots merging shit wouldent until it was atleast complete. Or worse, remove shit without taking out its dependencies. Or hell, even fix their missing shit in a timely fashion.
Being totally unable to get a fresh update and play for a week at a time because some dumbfuck cant be bothered to check if their changes causes the game to refuse to load anything is just... Arragh.
What issue is it now? I know there's a thing that caused firing mounted weapons to crash, and that's about the only giant "what the fuck" bug I can recall.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on December 08, 2018, 03:54:22 pm
edit: Unrelated: I consume my fedora by tipping it.
Doubleedit: Rolled back to 8233 to get a version where Camp Jobs haven't disappeared. I've also revised my Lag Management by playing without Z-Levels and digging a tiny chamber to house waitng/resting area.
Post by: Aseaheru on December 09, 2018, 09:03:45 pm
What issue is it now? I know there's a thing that caused firing mounted weapons to crash, and that's about the only giant "what the fuck" bug I can recall.Tents managed to break themselves. Or rather the action to setup tents broke somehow, which caused the game to cry when it looked at tents moments later. Thankfully, it appears to be gone now.
Post by: Robsoie on December 09, 2018, 11:15:13 pm
The recent lag/slowdown (apparently related to map memory) should still there unfortunately.
I guess i'll keep using my 8194 then.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on December 10, 2018, 08:27:19 pm
Post by: King Zultan on December 11, 2018, 06:36:42 am
It also makes it to where car and truck alternators no longer work on foot pedals, apparently now you have to use a special bicycle alternator to make power with them.
Also major thing:
"Fuel consumption has increased dramatically. On the vehicle efficiency tests, most vehicles are getting about 1/6th to 1/3rd the range they used to get on the constant speed pavement and dirt tests (and vehicles are having to go much slower on dirt to achieve that speed)."
Post by: Robsoie on December 11, 2018, 01:18:11 pm
Looks like the days of 1000MPH cars is no more with the vehicle speed rework (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/26209) getting merged.
Just when i learn that the Bloodhound 1000mph record project (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mylca_onT_I) didn't found investors in time this month and so got terminated :/
Post by: Broseph Stalin on December 11, 2018, 01:22:06 pm
edit: Newest playthrough I'm a blacksmith whose used the apocalypse to achieve his dreams of being a medieval king. With so many people relying on cobbled together equipment a man who can craft a finely honed blade or a sturdy set of armor is one of the deadliest things alive. My camp has swollen to include a fully stocked kitchen, smithy, and garage where vehicles are cannibalized for precious steel. My allies are plate armored knights with longswords and leather clad scouts with finely made bows.
Post by: jocan2003 on December 18, 2018, 09:44:18 pm
Doesnt have access to a pc nowadays.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on December 18, 2018, 10:05:23 pm
Post by: Robsoie on December 18, 2018, 10:31:38 pm
It's also a good idea to start your npc camp on a field that is very near to several forest tiles, the reason is that you'll need a ton of logs for most upgrades, and it takes lots of time for a NPC to cut them, and even more days according to the distance between your camp and the targetted forest tile.
Additionally, it's a very good idea to make a lot of the required items (for upgrade) gathering yourself and not only let it up to the tasked npc, they're incredibly inefficient in material gathering mission, taking so much time for bringing back ridiculously small amount of loot.
Make sure to have a cart or something to transport the tons of 2x4 items you'll need from building in which you'll deconstruct most of the furnitures back to your camp, as moving/pulling them yourself without a cart/car will take forever (each tile moves taking many many minutes if you have a lot to move).
For the tons of heavy stick you'll also need for upgrades, make a npc going to cut trees , he'll bring logs and lots of long sticks, disassembling all of them takes an annoyingly tedious amount of keypresses time , but they will result in lots of heavy sticks
Post by: Broseph Stalin on December 18, 2018, 10:38:03 pm
Also be aware that as of the latest version most of the jobs for Blacksmith and Kitchen are gone. I'm still on 8232.
Post by: Robsoie on December 18, 2018, 10:41:45 pm
I wish i knew i could do that when i was still playing with the faction camp, always had to take only what my character could carry and disassemble them one by one, extremely tedious.
I guess i'll keep using my working 8194 version for a longer time to avoid more of the new bugs then (i see lots of recent crashes report on github too)
Post by: Broseph Stalin on December 18, 2018, 11:41:16 pm
Post by: Trolldefender99 on December 18, 2018, 11:42:33 pm
Too bad found it at a time recent patch is broken from what has been said. So I'll just have to wait for it to be fixed. I don't want to start like I did just the other day in Warhammer 2 Total War, and find out I have to restart anyway once they release a working patch (which in WH2TW case was literally only 3 days after I started my first game lol).
Post by: Broseph Stalin on December 18, 2018, 11:58:54 pm
Somehow never heard of this, and this game sounds amazing!
Too bad found it at a time recent patch is broken from what has been said. So I'll just have to wait for it to be fixed. I don't want to start like I did just the other day in Warhammer 2 Total War, and find out I have to restart anyway once they release a working patch (which in WH2TW case was literally only 3 days after I started my first game lol).
New bulids are constantly coming down the pipe, there were two updates today, three yesterday, and three the day before that. They're generally small changes you won't really notice and they rarely break saves. The missing things from the faction job menus shouldn't be too much of a bother since they're rarely worth doing and you'd need to keep a base fed for weeks to do the necessary upgrades. Realistically your first character will be dead within six hours.
I'd recommend jumping right in.
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 19, 2018, 12:19:40 am
Too bad found it at a time recent patch is broken from what has been said. So I'll just have to wait for it to be fixed.The talk about the new versions and the related issues are with regard to the experimental branch only. Get the 'stable release' from the website and you'll be fine.
Post by: Trolldefender99 on December 19, 2018, 03:25:10 am
Too bad found it at a time recent patch is broken from what has been said. So I'll just have to wait for it to be fixed.The talk about the new versions and the related issues are with regard to the experimental branch only. Get the 'stable release' from the website and you'll be fine.
I should have read the forums in the morning :P Now I'm gonna stay up late...xD
Post by: King Zultan on December 19, 2018, 03:49:10 am
Get the 'stable release' from the website and you'll be fine.Your talking about 0.C Stable its several years old now, and it doesn't have a bunch of stuff that the newer versions have.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on December 19, 2018, 08:39:25 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on December 19, 2018, 11:28:29 am
Post by: Robsoie on December 19, 2018, 01:31:30 pm
https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN/commits/experimental
And from a reply he did on his issue tracker :
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My job eats most of my time nowadays and I'm not very good at managing the rest of it.
I didn't see a lot of interest last time (though maybe I looked in wrong places), I don't know if anyone would actually play it if I updated it.
That said as i don't do discord stuff i don't know much about it but it looks like the Looming Darkness multiplayer version of cdda is still in the work
https://old.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/9le102/update_thread_for_cataclysm_multiplayer_rewrite/
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stolencatkarma 1 month agohttps://github.com/stolencatkarma/CataclysmLD
Pre-alpha. Join the discord to see progress. All updates are in that
Post by: ollobrains on December 20, 2018, 01:12:25 am
Post by: Broseph Stalin on December 20, 2018, 08:05:34 am
so where can we find these ongoing development forks that are being talked about here
If you mean the experimental branch the best way is to download the launcher. You can use it to check for new builds and update with the click of a button.
https://github.com/remyroy/CDDA-Game-Launcher/releases
Forks like Coolthulu's aren't to my knowledge consolidated anywhere Reddit or discord are probably your best bets there.
Post by: ollobrains on December 21, 2018, 04:30:31 am
Post by: Robsoie on December 21, 2018, 01:18:31 pm
You can also download experimental builds yourself instead of using the launcher , it's as easy as download and extract the downloaded file to play , then move the save folder from your older experimental to the newer one.
http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Experimental#Experimental_Builds
Post by: Sergius on December 21, 2018, 06:18:47 pm
Be cautious when using the launcher, there are regular reports of people losing their save when they updated their cdda with the launcher , so if you want to use the launcher i recommend not to update with it when you're in the middle of a run or playing with a world you appreciate (or at least backup your save somewhere).
You can also download experimental builds yourself instead of using the launcher , it's as easy as download and extract the downloaded file to play , then move the save folder from your older experimental to the newer one.
http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Experimental#Experimental_Builds
I backup my saves with git on bitbucket :D
Post by: ollobrains on December 24, 2018, 07:16:07 pm
Be cautious when using the launcher, there are regular reports of people losing their save when they updated their cdda with the launcher , so if you want to use the launcher i recommend not to update with it when you're in the middle of a run or playing with a world you appreciate (or at least backup your save somewhere).
You can also download experimental builds yourself instead of using the launcher , it's as easy as download and extract the downloaded file to play , then move the save folder from your older experimental to the newer one.
http://cddawiki.chezzo.com/cdda_wiki/index.php?title=Experimental#Experimental_Builds
I backup my saves with git on bitbucket :D
good idea
Post by: ollobrains on December 26, 2018, 01:00:02 am
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Post by: duckman on January 04, 2019, 11:14:05 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 04, 2019, 05:49:34 pm
Post by: duckman on January 04, 2019, 07:42:01 pm
It is refillable, thus the assumption is that you would have it filled with cement or whatever you put in canning pots while its in your bag, and the came cant simulate a refillabe container that lowers its volume if empty.That function is used by most non-rigid containers, like waterskins, certain ammo/magazine holders and the XL holster. Besides that, the canning pot isn't resealable which means that it can't be filled with liquids, the only thing you can refill a container with, while in your inventory anyways.
I mean, you can literally fit 4 whole cereal boxes inside of a container this size with enough room for 8 ramen packs in the remaining space irl.
Edit: In addition to that, the base volume of an item and it's capacity as a container are two separate values traced by "volume" and "contains" respectively.
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 04, 2019, 07:47:52 pm
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Post by: Blood_Librarian on January 07, 2019, 04:13:08 pm
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Post by: Broseph Stalin on January 07, 2019, 07:34:17 pm
Post by: duckman on January 07, 2019, 09:36:33 pm
Why are they even punching floors to begin with?It was added in some ancient build to allow hordes, specifically ones containing Hulks, to collapse buildings on top of you if you tried to hide or lead them through them before torching the place or tried to choke-point them at a narrow hallway. The issue is that only hordes combining their bashing power by targeting the same tile should even be attempting this since all it does is slow them down without even making enough noise to draw more zombies in.
Post by: ollobrains on January 08, 2019, 02:26:52 am
Post by: duckman on January 18, 2019, 02:37:17 am
Also most ammo doesn't cook-off anymore. Probably because the average fire resistance of their materials is too low and they just instantly burn away into nothing.
Post by: Flying Dice on January 18, 2019, 08:37:15 am
Though I'm sure using ninjutsu with a cavalry saber is some sort of heresy.
Post by: Aseaheru on January 18, 2019, 01:12:25 pm
And the answer is that it was jsut me at a wierd time.
Meanwhile, in "lets debug-build a houseboat for amusement" news, the "lets totally delete a ship if it starts sinking" thing is getting annoying.
Post by: duckman on January 18, 2019, 01:54:06 pm
Meh, still not going to be a substitute for ninjutsu for me.To be fair, ninjutsu is one of the better martial arts largely due to simple utility. Grab a weapon with a block/parry and a rapid attack and ninjutsu takes care of the crit technique. It's actually better offensively with katanas than niten ichi-ryu unless you made some kind of min-maxed nightmare, for instance.
Though I'm sure using ninjutsu with a cavalry saber is some sort of heresy.
Speaking of niten ichi-ryu though, it's always been a bit bad even before the damage nerf*. The slow water cut is just bad, the nodachi is a newb trap because of the water cut**, and the buffs are both utterly absurd yet still not enough to make it anything more than a below average style in most situations***.
Also, looks like the vorpal strike technique doesn't actually work on diamond-coated piercing weapons due to only applying a cutting damage multiplier. With a weighting of -250 though, vorpal strikes are mostly just an easter egg that destroys loot.
*This actually made it better since it would no longer blow up corpses. At least if you weren't just screwing around with a debug character.
**Yeah, lets spend 3 whole turns setting up the perfect cut like it's a sword demo on youtube. Nothing could possibly go wrong with all these grabbers and brutes next to me.
***Slow attacks and vulnerability to being flung around by brutes/hulks are the most noticeable flaws, but it cuts down those tankier monsters decently enough.
Edit: There was a nutrient rebalance few weeks ago. Looks like soup got a big nerf in total servings and calories. A lot of these changes don't take recipes into account, so a serving of meat soup is worse than eating the ingredients separately.
Edit2: Looks like the rebalance was solely based on an online nutritional guide. Doesn't take into account that recipes in game are way denser than whatever is listed, so most soups are actually thick stews instead of whatever watered down crap got put into the game.
Post by: Flying Dice on January 19, 2019, 06:09:32 pm
And yeah, that sounds like they're thinking of soup in the sense of "a can of condensed soup with twice as much water as it's meant to have" rather than the reality of home-made soups which is usually either a thick, rich broth with chunks of stuff or a mostly-solid melange of stuff with a layer of watery broth that mostly exists to allow it to slow-cook without burning and act as a substrate for nutrients that might have otherwise been cooked out.
Post by: duckman on January 19, 2019, 07:28:29 pm
Of course, another hamfisted nerf to something in the name of "realism" that doesn't even bother to be realistic. I'm shocked, positively shocked.
And yeah, that sounds like they're thinking of soup in the sense of "a can of condensed soup with twice as much water as it's meant to have" rather than the reality of home-made soups which is usually either a thick, rich broth with chunks of stuff or a mostly-solid melange of stuff with a layer of watery broth that mostly exists to allow it to slow-cook without burning and act as a substrate for nutrients that might have otherwise been cooked out.
Edit: Actually, no. This is most likely completely unrelated to that recipe at all and was solely a realism thing. Or a clumsy attempt at it.
Edit2: Seems like a recipe rebalance to accompany the nutrition one has been in the works for about a week. It should have been part of the nutrition rebalance that was done three weeks ago in the first place, but at least most of the nutrient values between the ingredients and the final product should actually add up properly whenever that gets merged.
Post by: Aseaheru on January 19, 2019, 09:54:03 pm
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Post by: duckman on January 21, 2019, 03:30:31 pm
Post by: AzyWng on January 21, 2019, 08:09:31 pm
That's... interesting.
If the game had stuff like ants actively going out in parties to search for and take/kill food, or stuff like ant populations becoming smaller or bigger depending on nearby food, or things like ants farming from aphids or something, I'd be okay with the idea that ants take food from the same sources you do, potentially stealing things you were going to eat.
Here, though... I'm kind of not.
Post by: duckman on January 23, 2019, 10:33:19 am
Also, the broken tank drone needs to have it's disassembly items updated to match the loadout of the Beagle UGV.
Post by: Robsoie on January 23, 2019, 01:24:48 pm
https://old.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/ai95ad/was_this_pull_really_necessary_all_it_did_was/
I'm glad i decided to stop updating at some point.
Post by: Altivera on January 23, 2019, 02:05:08 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on January 23, 2019, 08:54:17 pm
"Nah I'm just kidding, you're being a jerk so I'm not sorry at all." really isn't the sort of thing he should be writing as the project leader. Especially when it's in response to someone giving feedback.
Post by: Flying Dice on January 23, 2019, 09:23:58 pm
And I looked over some of that guy's prs. He literally doesn't understand how entire systems function from a player perspective and is making arbitrary, damaging changes because he thinks they'll make the UI pretty, and fuck people who want useful information about their character. Excellent demonstration of why extensive playtesting is necessary and debug-menu developers are useless.
Post by: scriver on January 24, 2019, 07:46:52 am
debug-menu developers
Please explain
Post by: King Zultan on January 24, 2019, 07:53:24 am
I think he's saying that they just spawn the items and locations in instead of finding them in normal play.debug-menu developersPlease explain
Post by: duckman on January 24, 2019, 11:26:26 am
Debug-menu developers basically only play with all the debug mutations on so they can ignore all gameplay mechanics except for the one they are currently working on. To them, things like malnutrition, temperature, injury and fatigue are merely obstacles to putting their pet project into the game rather than core mechanics.debug-menu developers
Please explain
Post by: Robsoie on January 24, 2019, 12:22:17 pm
Post by: duckman on January 25, 2019, 11:56:21 am
Edit: Anyone else notice that a bunch of gun mods got massively nerfed a while back to pre-firearms update levels? As in back to when dispersion was still in single and rarely double digits for really inaccurate guns? Curious name for that update (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/commit/3874aede1364fe82d487d90b7e0cc68986a01779#diff-c12a2c8d95ea1733aad1e838d8316632).
Post by: EuchreJack on January 25, 2019, 04:49:41 pm
Post by: AzyWng on January 25, 2019, 04:50:22 pm
I can't believe I used to like this game.
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 25, 2019, 04:57:02 pm
I feel so attacked. :PDebug-menu developers basically only play with all the debug mutations on so they can ignore all gameplay mechanics except for the one they are currently working on. To them, things like malnutrition, temperature, injury and fatigue are merely obstacles to putting their pet project into the game rather than core mechanics.debug-menu developers
Please explain
I recently wrote in a debug menu for my own game for this exact purpose, so I could jump ahead and test specific levels and features without playing through the ~45 minute lead-up each time.
Post by: Flying Dice on January 25, 2019, 05:33:55 pm
Other folks already got to it, but basically that. Developers who only playtest by spawning/initiating stuff with the debug menu, who are thus (one would think rather obviously) divorced from the reality on the ground for people who actually play the game. Like this one maroon who tried to limit bionic power to 999 to make his shitty UI rework look "better" because he couldn't conceive of a scenario where a player would have or need more than that.debug-menu developers
Please explain
If you've ever used bionics at all, you know exactly how stupid that sounds.
I feel so attacked. :PDebug-menu developers basically only play with all the debug mutations on so they can ignore all gameplay mechanics except for the one they are currently working on. To them, things like malnutrition, temperature, injury and fatigue are merely obstacles to putting their pet project into the game rather than core mechanics.debug-menu developers
Please explain
I recently wrote in a debug menu for my own game for this exact purpose, so I could jump ahead and test specific levels and features without playing through the ~45 minute lead-up each time.
Man, there's nothing wrong with using a debug menu to test content. The problem is when someone who has only ever used the debug menu to test content tries to make sweeping changes to core mechanics without even having played enough to understand why people think they're bad changes.
For example, I don't say shit about mechanics core to the whole primitive-survival style of play because I've never spent time playing that way and can't speak to how it functions very well, beyond peripherals like stuff used in that style of play that also sees use in how I play.
It's an extra-big issue for CDDA because there are so many discrete ways to play and you can't reasonably expect any given contributor to be familiar with all of them... but there should also be the basic sense to not fuck with things you aren't familiar with.
Post by: BigD145 on January 25, 2019, 07:28:02 pm
I'm pretty sure the next update will be titled "fuck the playerbase". Especially since we'll all feel obligated to update if its really 0.D
I've never felt obligated to update the "stable" version which is pretty much always less stable than an experimental a couple updates later.
Post by: ollobrains on January 26, 2019, 06:19:33 am
Post by: George_Chickens on January 26, 2019, 10:45:06 am
Prime example of why I absolutely cannot stand Kevin or his ego. He doesn't have the right attitude to run a popsicle stand, much less manage the sort of cat-herding you need to head a voluntary community-driven project. Being a dick to everyone that doesn't yes-man for you doesn't work when you have no real power over people beyond the power to frustrate them in their leisure time.Nah man, you don't understand. It's his game. Sure he didn't make it, did not have an active role in growing the community, and mostly acts to scare off larger contributors actually creating improvements to the game, but it's his game. Because, uuuhhhh...
And I looked over some of that guy's prs. He literally doesn't understand how entire systems function from a player perspective and is making arbitrary, damaging changes because he thinks they'll make the UI pretty, and fuck people who want useful information about their character. Excellent demonstration of why extensive playtesting is necessary and debug-menu developers are useless.
Edit: Anyone else notice that a bunch of gun mods got massively nerfed a while back to pre-firearms update levels? As in back to when dispersion was still in single and rarely double digits for really inaccurate guns? Curious name for that update (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/commit/3874aede1364fe82d487d90b7e0cc68986a01779#diff-c12a2c8d95ea1733aad1e838d8316632).This is disappointing, but not surprising. Since Whales left, it seems as though there has been many a mishmash of strange gun nerfs, from adding tedium to the search for them to outright making them shite.
Post by: duckman on January 26, 2019, 02:39:08 pm
Post by: King Zultan on January 26, 2019, 03:03:44 pm
There's another sidebar redesign in the works (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/27862).At least it still has all important stuff, and it looks way better than the panel crap that one guy was trying to do.
Post by: Gentlefish on January 26, 2019, 04:53:11 pm
Why though. If one fits better in the UI, use that one. Good grief people, UI design isn't about pleasing everyone, it's about making human-understandable interfaces. If one works better in context, you absolutely use that one.
Post by: Flying Dice on January 26, 2019, 05:15:28 pm
I think an edit of the "I made this" image macro would be appropriate here.Prime example of why I absolutely cannot stand Kevin or his ego. He doesn't have the right attitude to run a popsicle stand, much less manage the sort of cat-herding you need to head a voluntary community-driven project. Being a dick to everyone that doesn't yes-man for you doesn't work when you have no real power over people beyond the power to frustrate them in their leisure time.Nah man, you don't understand. It's his game. Sure he didn't make it, did not have an active role in growing the community, and mostly acts to scare off larger contributors actually creating improvements to the game, but it's his game. Because, uuuhhhh...
And I looked over some of that guy's prs. He literally doesn't understand how entire systems function from a player perspective and is making arbitrary, damaging changes because he thinks they'll make the UI pretty, and fuck people who want useful information about their character. Excellent demonstration of why extensive playtesting is necessary and debug-menu developers are useless.
Just a shame all the sane developers got ran off by the toxic environment or real life commitments.
Post by: ollobrains on February 03, 2019, 05:51:13 am
Post by: Kaitol on February 05, 2019, 01:29:03 pm
So you might be thinking, why not start a new fork, have all the people go over there and work on their own version? Well, it's been tried, but Kevin also has control of the website, wiki, and forums and is most definitely not going to go to any lengths to include or promote a rival fork in those. So any fork is going to have to start from nothing, with no real way to connect to what remains of the community, outside maybe talking about it here. Getting all the remaining small contributors to move over, trying to rouse up enough interest to get new contributors in, and building a new community from scratch would take a lot of time, effort, and energy and it just seems like no one in a position to do so has the drive to.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 05, 2019, 08:37:49 pm
Given Kevin's history and general attitude, I don't expect to see it. It's a damn shame, because Cataclysm and CDDA were easily in my top five best indie games, right up there with DF, Aurora, Elona+C, and Starsector.
Post by: Darkmere on February 05, 2019, 09:35:20 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 05, 2019, 09:42:04 pm
Post by: ollobrains on February 06, 2019, 06:24:50 am
Post by: n9103 on February 06, 2019, 11:14:50 am
So you might be thinking, why not start a new fork, have all the people go over there and work on their own version? Well, it's been tried, but Kevin also has control of the website, wiki, and forums and is most definitely not going to go to any lengths to include or promote a rival fork in those. So any fork is going to have to start from nothing, with no real way to connect to what remains of the community, outside maybe talking about it here. Getting all the remaining small contributors to move over, trying to rouse up enough interest to get new contributors in, and building a new community from scratch would take a lot of time, effort, and energy and it just seems like no one in a position to do so has the drive to.Kevin generally doesn't post, but does regularly read this thread, afaik.
In related findings, I noticed that yet again over 50% of the posts over the last several months have been complaining about the meta or dev(s).
Think we can keep it civil and productive?
Post by: scourge728 on February 06, 2019, 02:15:55 pm
Think we can keep it civil and productive?doubt it
Post by: AzyWng on February 06, 2019, 02:40:44 pm
To put it quite bluntly, I don't think that's possible here. For that matter, I don't think things are gonna end well at all. They haven't exactly begun well...
Post by: EuchreJack on February 06, 2019, 02:42:07 pm
We're more civil and destructive around here.Think we can keep it civil and productive?doubt it
Robsoie occasionally posts stories from his playthroughs. Those are always fun, so its not all griping.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 08, 2019, 06:47:34 pm
When one side stops treating the other with respect, that other side usually follows suit. When that happens, usually the main way to restore relations is for one side to begin treating the other with respect again.
To put it quite bluntly, I don't think that's possible here. For that matter, I don't think things are gonna end well at all. They haven't exactly begun well...
This is pretty much the issue. People complain about Kevin because his ego has taken over the project, he treats everyone that doesn't yes-man for him like dirt, and he actively pushes changes that reduce player choice and increase tedium with little or no benefit because for some reason he thinks Cataclysm is meant to be a contemporary LMOE Romero-zombie survival game and not a cyberpunk post-apoc melange. That's unlikely to ever change, so things won't become more positive.
Basically imagine if Project Zomboid was flat 2D and several times more tedious. That appears to be his target ideal.
Post by: ollobrains on February 08, 2019, 09:09:38 pm
For anyone who has been rejected with commits but want to contribute to open source projects - the pioneer space sim project could always do with contributors and they do tend to be a bit more welcoming, there are also xangband type games still in open source and a few other similar games around here such as auroraRL and prospector that could always do with active contributions of code
Post by: King Zultan on February 09, 2019, 03:24:43 am
Whats the possibility of promoting other forks and gathering up new contributors from here.I don't see why you couldn't promote them here, I mean the original cataclysm started here.
Also if you play new the newest version the recipe for batteries was removed in this (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/28137).
Post by: Akura on February 09, 2019, 05:33:38 am
Post by: Darkmere on February 09, 2019, 05:57:30 am
Also if you play new the newest version the recipe for batteries was removed in this (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/28137).
I knew exactly what that was without even opening the link. Amazing.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 09, 2019, 06:11:15 am
I might not be an electrician of any kind, but how is the electricity provided by one kind of battery "incompatible" compared to another kind of battery? Last I checked, you could light up a bulb using a potato just as possibly as a Duracell-brand battery. With enough potatoes, you could theoretically (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20131112-potato-power-to-light-the-world) power a city.
You've hit upon the closest thing to funny about the whole affair. Dude has this obsession with realism but is too ignorant/lazy to do the groundwork to actually make things realistic. He just removes the sci-fi/cyberpunk/ease-of-life stuff he thinks is badwrongplay.
Post by: AzyWng on February 09, 2019, 09:07:24 am
well at least the project is still moving forwardSo, uh, the game just changed in a manner that made the player objectively weaker (the removal of an ability) in a manner that isn’t realistic?
There’s probably several people who would have disputed your statement before, and I’m one of them now.
You know, that reminds me...
I recall seeing in the old CDDA forums a thread titled something along the lines of “All the ‘realistic’ balance changes have ruined the game”. I can’t recall most of it, but the final lines went something like:
Quote from: Upset player
Have fun in five months, when you’ll be managing toenail clipping and I’ll be playing something worth my time.
How long before we get that added as a feature?
Post by: Damiac on February 09, 2019, 11:16:31 am
So separating "Power cell" "regulated power cell" and "high precision regulated cells" requiring more and more electronics skill might not be totally stupid. But obviously, you'd implement all this at once, not just chop out the existing thing and put in half of this.
I don't want to hunt for various wattage resistors, alkaline chemicals, and the right metals to realistically build batteries so my flashlight works. That's too much realism for too little fun.
Post by: Darkmere on February 09, 2019, 11:44:33 am
That's too much realism for too little fun.
I thought that's what the game's about now?
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 10, 2019, 12:30:44 pm
Post by: Greiger on February 10, 2019, 03:27:37 pm
I've actually taken and passed college electronics classes and I don't think I could make a lemon battery out of parts that would put out the same voltage and amps as a normal battery without a multimeter, access to the internet, and a whole bunch of trial and error.
Though the last post in that thread amounts to 'I'm removing it, yer just going to have to deal with it until someone bothers to put in a better system' and that bugs me. At least keep some way for someone to craft a simple battery until the feature you are going for is actually complete. Can't you just make it require 5 times the mats or something for the time being so yer not just removing options entirely?
Post by: Altivera on February 10, 2019, 03:57:34 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/27882
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/27882#issuecomment-458092984
Post by: Aseaheru on February 10, 2019, 05:12:06 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 10, 2019, 05:44:18 pm
He even uses the phrase "less silly magical CBMs". They're literally cyberpunk cyborg implants, that's about as close as you can get to the definition of "it works because the setting needs it to work" tech, it's inherently not in line with what's possible in the real world YOU DENSE FUCK. One more reason to not upgrade ever again. All of these people who can't let a sci-fi game have game-like elements that don't line up with what's possible with contemporary tech seriously need to fuck off.
It's a direct nerf to something that clique thinks is badwrongplay, increases how much tedious micromanagement the player needs to engage in to use the mechanic, and does nothing to make the game more fun. Perfect example with what's gone wrong with DDA.
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on February 10, 2019, 07:12:25 pm
Thats... Actually a kinda cool change. Spend stamina for extra power quick or keep it for a lower rate...Current problem now is how very weak it is.
Post by: Aseaheru on February 10, 2019, 07:30:14 pm
Post by: Paul on February 10, 2019, 08:02:20 pm
Nice to see the development has turned into a raging dumpster fire.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on February 10, 2019, 09:32:30 pm
That said: Why is it so many of these stupid changes are either adding something the player has to do or taking away/nerfing something the player can do? I like new options, they open things up. These weird nerfs and removals don't make sense, what part of the game is going to be more challenging because you can't make batteries or your robot legs are less awesome? If some guy is energizing his tools of survival by jamming lemons into cans leave him alone he is amazing.
Post by: ollobrains on February 11, 2019, 05:27:11 am
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Post by: Silicoid on February 18, 2019, 10:44:24 pm
I donfind the quote from Kevin:
Quote
Totally fine from a CoC point of view, its your opinion. Having said that, it's not an opinion shared by the project, "avoiding player base complaints" is not a reason to add or not add a feature.Moderatly disturbing.
In other news bone armor was removed because it was decided it wasn’t realistic enough, despite it being used in movies and other cultures. PR to resubmit a fixed version using skeletal juggernaut bones was axed really quickly.
I’m currently playing a alightly older build before the sidebar change went down, and there has been a few good changes like the firewood supply thing, but man the whole freezing thing is annoying. I understand stuff outside your freezing, but in your inventory?
Post by: Darkmere on February 18, 2019, 11:28:31 pm
I find the quote from Kevin:QuoteTotally fine from a CoC point of view, its your opinion. Having said that, it's not an opinion shared by the project, "avoiding player base complaints" is not a reason to add or not add a feature.Moderatly disturbing.
Sums up things perfectly. The game is no longer targeted at player enjoyment, but at least he's honest about it. I guess.
Post by: Robsoie on February 18, 2019, 11:53:45 pm
https://github.com/Poragon/No-Freeze
Post by: ollobrains on February 19, 2019, 05:58:09 am
Post by: Altivera on February 19, 2019, 01:06:22 pm
Someone made a mod to unnerf the Joint Torsion Ratchet cbm.
Post by: Robsoie on February 19, 2019, 01:18:36 pm
I noticed that there's a mod to re-add the bone+leather armor too :
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/28064#issuecomment-463533640
But notice that it re-add only the recipes, as the actual items are still existing in the game (they only removed the way to make them), but when they'll also remove the items this mod will not work anymore.
Looks like 0.D is getting really close now :
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/projects/2
So you can start to check the 0.E project :
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/projects/23
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 19, 2019, 01:22:20 pm
Post by: ollobrains on February 20, 2019, 04:40:36 pm
Interesting that people make mods like that when it possible (things that are not hard coded) as it's always better to have the choice to use things like they were without always having to stick with an older version of the game.
I noticed that there's a mod to re-add the bone+leather armor too :
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/28064#issuecomment-463533640
But notice that it re-add only the recipes, as the actual items are still existing in the game (they only removed the way to make them), but when they'll also remove the items this mod will not work anymore.
Looks like 0.D is getting really close now :
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/projects/2
So you can start to check the 0.E project :
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/projects/23
the fact that 0.E is on the card means at least there is a plan going forward for at least one more stable
Post by: azmodean on February 23, 2019, 12:15:30 am
Dda development is barreling along as fast or faster than it ever has before, and there continues to be no end in sight, but bay12forums will no longer have anything to do with it.
Post by: AzyWng on February 23, 2019, 12:42:47 am
Also, when you say that "bay12forums will no longer have anything to do with [Dda development], do you mean this thread is going to be locked? Will people be prevented from contributing to the project if a connection to Bay12 is discovered? Will feedback from people connected to/associated with Bay12 be ignored?
Also, what is the overall direction you're aiming to shoot for? Realistic, video-gamey, something in between? EDIT: I ask this because people seem both confused and upset with the direction the game is going with its updates.
Whether you answer any of my questions or not, good luck with the development, I guess, and sorry things had to shake out like this. Internet's internet, and sometimes people get heated up about things.
Post by: Egan_BW on February 23, 2019, 12:59:04 am
Post by: AlStar on February 23, 2019, 03:00:39 am
I mean, it's not like this is a major issue (especially compared to some of the other sweeping changes that have been instituted), but we're told that bone armor is 'unrealistic' ... so several people offer links that show that there is such a thing as (at least in certain circumstances) non-ceremonial bone armor. Which is dismissed. Then someone says "okay, how about if we make it so that the armor requires bones from some of the supernatural, super-tough bone-based creatures that roam this world?" Which is also dismissed off hand.
Of course, as the developer, he's got final say on whatever he wants, but I agree with one of the commenters - why invite discussion about changes when you've obviously already got a plan in mind, and won't be swayed from it?
Post by: ollobrains on February 23, 2019, 03:01:45 am
From what I understand, negativity gathers here because you don't allow it in places you "control".
and if it isn't allowed to have a voice here no doubt it will end up elsewhere, that said always keep an open mind to the community and maybe open up the contribution of code because u never know what genius or valid contributor u might be shutting down for purposes of "personal ego"
Try to stay positive because this is a very large part of the cataclysm community at the end of the day
Post by: Rince Wind on February 23, 2019, 04:17:04 am
And whenever I try a new version it seems to just get more tedious and less fun. And fun trumps realism any day when playing a game.
Post by: Darkmere on February 23, 2019, 04:48:12 am
All the posts here are because people do care.
And whenever I try a new version it seems to just get more tedious and less fun. And fun trumps realism any day when playing a game.
The past year or more in a nutshell. People who are invested enough in a project to seek out public discussion are the most passionate players who have the most play time and experience. Every single idea won't be gold, but dismissing them out of hand for... some reason? is a great way to alienate your fans and look like an ass.
But I mean, if that was an issue the official lines of communication wouldn't be an enforced echo chamber where all dissent is mocked, ignored, or banned.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on February 23, 2019, 09:12:27 am
Hiya n9103, thanks for trying to stem the tide of negativity, but it seems I'm simply no longer welcome here.I am struggling to parse that in a way that's not petty or childish. What makes you feel that you're not welcome here? Who said "we hate kevin he eats babies and hates kittens?" People are upset by changes being made to a game they enjoy and are discussing why they don't like those changes. The negativity here is profoundly mild, it's not bile-spewing aimless hate it's actually just holding negative opinions about recent changes and the direction of development- I don't know how to interpret this except as excommunicating those who don't feel what you're doing is the best possible thing. What purpose is there in discussion without dissent? I apologize that many people have thoughts and opinions that have more substance than simply declaring their adoration for you and the things you choose to apply your stamp to.
Dda development is barreling along as fast or faster than it ever has before, and there continues to be no end in sight, but bay12forums will no longer have anything to do with it.
That is not the way a project leader should behave, it's not the way a man should behave, this is purely the behavior of a child who does not appreciate the insinuations that his sand castle is not the very best it could possibly be.
Post by: Robsoie on February 23, 2019, 01:49:13 pm
But whatever floats someone's boat i guess...
Post by: duckman on February 23, 2019, 07:40:18 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on February 23, 2019, 07:57:05 pm
I’m so glad that https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/24052 got stuck in PR hell, as the idea of a depleting max stanima bar in additon to the rest of the fatiuge mechanics, would be a crazy amount of tediousness and punish the player for going out and doing stuff.
I donfind the quote from Kevin:QuoteTotally fine from a CoC point of view, its your opinion. Having said that, it's not an opinion shared by the project, "avoiding player base complaints" is not a reason to add or not add a feature.Moderatly disturbing.
How about the quote from this other deluded jerkoff?
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Maximum realism, and complexity is the main virtue of this game, and the main reason why many people play and enjoy it.
Fucking hell, no it isn't.
Hiya n9103, thanks for trying to stem the tide of negativity, but it seems I'm simply no longer welcome here.
Dda development is barreling along as fast or faster than it ever has before, and there continues to be no end in sight, but bay12forums will no longer have anything to do with it.
This thread is hostile to you predominately because of a) your outright hostile attitude towards everyone who doesn't agree with the awful direction you're trying to push DDA in, and b) your inability to just ban anyone you don't like here.
Turns out that being a tin-pot dictator makes people like you less in places where you can't silence dissent. Shocking.
Not that you really gave a shit about what any of us thought -- you pretty much only posted here to whine at people complaining about your shitty changes to the game.
Post by: AzyWng on February 23, 2019, 08:24:35 pm
I picked quotes for the purpose of indicating that they didn't get along with every single member well and sometimes responded to insults, sarcasm, and rude behavior with insults, sarcasm, and rude behavior of their own.
Also, I'd like to note (and you can confirm this by simply checking the "Show Posts" list on azmodean's profile) that azmodean hasn't been terribly active on Bay12 in general - as they put it, "when I (azmodean) have something meaningful to say".
They seem fairly active on this thread (didn't dig deep enough to see if they posted on any other threads) until about 2015, and then returned in 2017. The attacks on the direction the game was going (and the resulting responses to these attacks) didn't really happen until sometime in 2018, during which azmodean resumed posting.
A number of posts they've made pretty much outright state they don't think this board is going to have much of a meaningful impact on the project. Which I suppose could fall under "rude behavior" since it could be interpreted as saying "you don't matter to me".
I speak about them in the past tense because I'm not even sure this person is even reading this at all. At any rate, they haven't responded (unless they have and I missed it because I do miss things like that from time to time).
Also, I doubt insulting azmodean will make them return. Hell, it's probably a part of why they decided to leave in the first place.
Post by: AzyWng on February 23, 2019, 08:54:30 pm
Here's an older one, too, if you want to read through it. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LhNpXGXmkPOxp_cp0-c9G7xqnihwApq-eZSa99exfcU/edit?pli=1)
Anyway, here's a set of things from the Discord, in no particular order, some of which may be taken out of context or said sarcastically.
Spoiler: Wrench In The Plan is me, by the way (click to show/hide)
Link to the Discord server is here. (https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/cataclysm-dda-discord-server/14545) I probably wouldn't say the things that are being said here, though, seeing as how that might be grounds for a ban.
Incidentially, there's a link to Whales Cataclysm (an old version that hasn't been updated since 2013) here (https://github.com/Whales/Cataclysm) if anyone is interested in doing anything with it (which some people have said something along the lines of...)
Post by: Adragis on February 23, 2019, 08:57:35 pm
Post by: AzyWng on February 23, 2019, 09:03:37 pm
But, I guess someone could explain it to me, if they're willing to go to the trouble.
Post by: Flying Dice on February 24, 2019, 07:44:51 am
At least we're still welcome here. Or, at least, I am. Calling the developer a "tin-pot dictator" probably violates the rule of "be kind", though, so, Flying Dice, please make sure you're calm before you post on there.I have no intention of posting with a linkable username anywhere he has mod authority.
And if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and bans contributors for disagreeing like a duck, it's probably a duck.
Also telling that people don't even remember that most of the original DDA project team came from B12. Shows how effectively kevin has co-opted it. I think the "dictator" label is fairly appropriate, between the rabid intolerance of dissent, retroactive group amnesia about people who used to be important, and slapping his name on a group effort. The tin-pot bit comes from it being centered around a decaying spinoff of a one-man roguelike based from a forum with some of the worst internal architecture design I've ever seen.
Post by: King Zultan on February 24, 2019, 08:36:49 am
Also some somewhat relevant quotes from Whales.
Quote from: Whales
Realism is secondary to fun and appropriate difficulty.
Quote from: Whales
I have my suspicions that the Cataclysm forums are like 90% B12ers.
Post by: Teneb on February 24, 2019, 09:00:36 am
Post by: Rince Wind on February 24, 2019, 09:06:26 am
Post by: King Zultan on February 24, 2019, 09:11:55 am
Post by: George_Chickens on February 24, 2019, 09:34:25 am
To be totally fair, he did spur on a lot of the drama through his attitude (only mildly, though), but his concerns and frustration were fully valid IMO.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on February 24, 2019, 01:04:07 pm
As far as I'm concerned it's a damn shame that I don't remember at which point I started disliking his addons :P I'm guessing around mid 2017 (I could possibly match it with forum data I guess). The last time I played I was doing so with a homebrew mod that allowed me an easier start so that I could have fun exploring the world. Presumably I could do that in the current version, even though it probably wouldn't help with the more tedious stuff in the later builds. On the other hand, IIRC there were several mods that made many of those tedious features strictly opt-in...
Post by: Adragis on February 24, 2019, 01:09:13 pm
*shrug* a lot of people complain about this Granade guy, and I have to agree that C:DDA is getting shittier as time goes by, but on the other hand (despite this being an open source game) none of the critics have gone on to create their own forks. AFAIK you wouldnt need to roll back to 2013; you could simply download the code as is and go whichever way you want. So I can see his point: as of now despite the polemics there is apparently nobody else with the support or the will to take the helm (which I find curious, as many of the more outspoken critics were involved in development earlier on), so given that it's his work and effort, he calls the shots. I can understand that and empathize to an extent, even if I don't agree with the way he's taking the project.
As far as I'm concerned it's a damn shame that I don't remember at which point I started disliking his addons :P I'm guessing around mid 2017 (I could possibly match it with forum data I guess). The last time I played I was doing so with a homebrew mod that allowed me an easier start so that I could have fun exploring the world. Presumably I could do that in the current version, even though it probably wouldn't help with the more tedious stuff in the later builds. On the other hand, IIRC there were several mods that made many of those tedious features strictly opt-in...
Coolthulu made a fork.
Post by: Random_Dragon on February 24, 2019, 01:36:46 pm
Bit belatedly, I should note that using the discord as a metric for what project management is up to is not going to be productive. Most of the develops on there are the lower-level ones who use it to discuss the stuff they're contributing, and none of the really old senior devs are on there except Kevin.
And he's, well...hostile to the community there to, to a degree. He does have two warnings there for a reason, and his response to that was removing the discord link from the game itself.
Note that this is coming from someone who ALSO has a warning there, due to both of us arguing with each other.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on February 24, 2019, 02:14:39 pm
I don't think it's active anymore, unfortunately. (unless something changed recently?)*shrug* a lot of people complain about this Granade guy, and I have to agree that C:DDA is getting shittier as time goes by, but on the other hand (despite this being an open source game) none of the critics have gone on to create their own forks. AFAIK you wouldnt need to roll back to 2013; you could simply download the code as is and go whichever way you want. So I can see his point: as of now despite the polemics there is apparently nobody else with the support or the will to take the helm (which I find curious, as many of the more outspoken critics were involved in development earlier on), so given that it's his work and effort, he calls the shots. I can understand that and empathize to an extent, even if I don't agree with the way he's taking the project.
As far as I'm concerned it's a damn shame that I don't remember at which point I started disliking his addons :P I'm guessing around mid 2017 (I could possibly match it with forum data I guess). The last time I played I was doing so with a homebrew mod that allowed me an easier start so that I could have fun exploring the world. Presumably I could do that in the current version, even though it probably wouldn't help with the more tedious stuff in the later builds. On the other hand, IIRC there were several mods that made many of those tedious features strictly opt-in...
Coolthulu made a fork.
AFAIK it is still available, though and IIRC it was highly playable, so I might roll back to that though.
EDIT: indeed, it's available, but not active. Since mid '17. So my guesstimate was correct
https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN/releases
Post by: Robsoie on February 25, 2019, 09:17:49 pm
https://old.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/auhvg0/build_8544_is_the_first_0d_release_candidate/
Post by: Flying Dice on February 26, 2019, 08:39:52 pm
I don't think it's active anymore, unfortunately. (unless something changed recently?)*shrug* a lot of people complain about this Granade guy, and I have to agree that C:DDA is getting shittier as time goes by, but on the other hand (despite this being an open source game) none of the critics have gone on to create their own forks. AFAIK you wouldnt need to roll back to 2013; you could simply download the code as is and go whichever way you want. So I can see his point: as of now despite the polemics there is apparently nobody else with the support or the will to take the helm (which I find curious, as many of the more outspoken critics were involved in development earlier on), so given that it's his work and effort, he calls the shots. I can understand that and empathize to an extent, even if I don't agree with the way he's taking the project.
As far as I'm concerned it's a damn shame that I don't remember at which point I started disliking his addons :P I'm guessing around mid 2017 (I could possibly match it with forum data I guess). The last time I played I was doing so with a homebrew mod that allowed me an easier start so that I could have fun exploring the world. Presumably I could do that in the current version, even though it probably wouldn't help with the more tedious stuff in the later builds. On the other hand, IIRC there were several mods that made many of those tedious features strictly opt-in...
Coolthulu made a fork.
AFAIK it is still available, though and IIRC it was highly playable, so I might roll back to that though.
EDIT: indeed, it's available, but not active. Since mid '17. So my guesstimate was correct
https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN/releases
This is gonna sound really weird given how much I bitch about the godawful shit Kevin & co. are doing with DDA, but I don't really enjoy BN much either. I have vastly more respect for Coolthulhu than I do for basically anyone involved in DDA dev these days, but it went too far in the other direction for my taste. I really like Cata sat in that middle ground where you start out barely scraping by after everything goes to shit (and, indeed, can set things up so that you can play as a wild-man/LMOE/scavver more or less indefinitely if you so choose), with the ability to scale your character up and start getting into all the weird sci-fi and high-post apoc shenanigans while still retaining the relatively mundane backdrop.
BN is basically just Cata with a bunch of extra Fallout-flavored shit added in, IIRC. Swung too hard in the direction of gameplay > realism with too-easy healing, cheap nuclear shit and energy weapons, &c., where current DDA is just a morass of idiotic unrealistic "becuz muh realsum" tedium. An action game rather than a roguelike (where current DDA is a clicking/travel/wait screen simulator rather than a game at all).
Post by: Egan_BW on February 26, 2019, 10:07:54 pm
Post by: Culise on February 26, 2019, 10:58:49 pm
Well if you want something between dark days and bright nights I guess we'd better come up with dark nights and bright days?Gloomy Twilight?
Post by: teoleo on February 27, 2019, 01:37:04 pm
Post by: ollobrains on February 27, 2019, 10:03:53 pm
the main screen report 0.c
well it seems to have found its balancing point for 0.d and then whatever comes moving forward
Post by: King Zultan on February 28, 2019, 06:48:55 am
Post by: ShinQuickMan on February 28, 2019, 08:39:10 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 28, 2019, 10:06:27 am
Post by: Erk on February 28, 2019, 11:02:45 pm
True. But in its stead, dojos have a much higher frequency of spawning martial arts books, and can actually spawn a few of the rarer ones now missing in the mansion. Furthermore, crafting textbooks are similarly more common in libraries/bookstores than they were before.In fact there were many martial arts books that just plain never spawned in game, now they pretty much all have a chance to spawn in dojos, and dojos have a bit better than a 50/50 chance to spawn books (up from around 1/6 as I recall, and then only the most useless books like aikido). This was definitely an overall buff, it just means you have to actually go to more than a single location to find what you want and a few previously pointless locations are now worth visiting.
Mansions can still spawn martial arts books, it's just rare. Same with the weird and wacky textbooks. The ones that used to appear in mansions now appear in libraries roughly as commonly as they used to appear in mansions. I understand that it isn't entirely out of place that mansions might have that kind of stuff, but libraries make far more sense for it - and libraries now are a dang treasure trove. No more going to the library and coming away with a single young adult novel. I've done the same treatment to lumberyards (it used to be possible to go there and find a single two by four in the whole joint).
I actually haven't done bookstores yet. I will get there, probably when I add more types of fiction novels. Right now I'm making abandoned barns interesting.
Post by: Gentlefish on March 01, 2019, 03:26:23 pm
Post by: Erk on March 02, 2019, 03:25:29 am
Took a brief digression today to sketch up a tileset.
(https://discourse-cdn-sjc2.com/standard11/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/2X/e/ec56765af31e73aedb4db34c8d15ded8fa62e1ff.png)
- despite possible appearances, I'm designing this to be a very easy to add to community contribution set (there's no way I have time to make an entire tileset on my own and also write all the dialogue I want to do and make maps). Individual colour blocks are kept to 3-5 shades in general and the look is surprisingly quick and easy to do. With some help from Fuji on discord we should have a demo version ready soon, and then if there are any pixeleers around here I'd love to help add your work to it.
Post by: King Zultan on March 02, 2019, 07:38:39 am
Post by: Robsoie on March 02, 2019, 07:56:10 am
Post by: Flying Dice on March 02, 2019, 12:03:47 pm
Post by: AzyWng on March 02, 2019, 12:28:27 pm
And I think that's a good thing, personally.
Post by: Adragis on March 02, 2019, 12:36:39 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on March 02, 2019, 01:03:07 pm
Well, something's always felt a bit off playing a tile based game with images but no animation. Things with a level of fidelity between character graphics and like, advance wars sprites fall into an uncanny valley for me.
Post by: Robsoie on March 02, 2019, 09:05:15 pm
When it comes to cataclysm, the ascii was good enough originally as fortunately i was used to it from some old ascii-only roguelikes, when tileset support was implemented i found myself going back to ascii nearly for all my play through, there was something missing from the ones available but couldnt put my finger on what it was. A bit like most graphic tiles i tried in DF that made me go back to my self edited ascii tileset everytime.
Now when Retrodays appeared, it had such old school gaming feeling that i started to play with it more and more.
But when Deadpeople edition got a release, i never looked back it is incredibly good.
This new tileset has a very good potential, the visuals feels really coherent with each other and it just look really great, can't wait to give it a try.
Post by: Erk on March 02, 2019, 09:43:47 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/365907426270117888/551574366068932631/stairs_and_more.png)
Post by: Robsoie on March 02, 2019, 09:52:18 pm
Post by: Broseph Stalin on March 02, 2019, 10:05:01 pm
Are you planning to have some character customisation (i mean by example if you wear an helmet, said helmet can be seen on your character head etc...) like some other tilesets do ?That's the only thing tempting me away from it, I would never use another tileset if that was implemented.
Post by: Erk on March 02, 2019, 10:09:18 pm
I'm going to take what I've got now and render up an evacuation shelter pretty soon here. I'm hoping that existing item sprites from one of our many other tilesets might work okay with just some cartoon reduction (removing the outline, maybe adding a tiny bit of dirt or shading), which would make the next step much faster.
Post by: Robsoie on March 02, 2019, 10:14:03 pm
Post by: scourge728 on March 02, 2019, 10:14:43 pm
Post by: Erk on March 02, 2019, 10:17:21 pm
So I'm guessing erk is a dev for the game then?
I don't know that there's a formal category of "developer" versus normal contributors, but I'm a frequent contributor lately and have cleverraven maintenance permissions, so I am sort of a baby dev. I can't code to save my skin though, I do mapping and writing (and apparently drawing, but I don't want to get too mired in this once I've got the project off the ground)
Post by: n9103 on March 02, 2019, 10:26:05 pm
Many games have had tilesets that either present less than the equivalent ASCII would, or present as much or more, but it's quite difficult to tell without taking a hard look, which for me is no better than not presenting it, since I'll end up examining it in-game in both cases.
This can be due to significantly larger tiles which usually means less of the game is being shown at once (not as big issue these days since Full HD is the usually minimum resolution), sprites that don't change even when the ASCII representation would, or sprites that present differences in details as only a pixel or two, whereas the ASCII would do something like change color or flash.
Just food for thought from a long-time ASCII-by-default player.
Post by: Erk on March 02, 2019, 10:31:22 pm
I am not sure what actual specific information ASCII conveys better besides volume of data. These tiles will show your current equipment at a glance for example, and it's much easier to tell zombie types apart.
Oh. I should draw some more zombie types.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 02, 2019, 11:54:15 pm
It's definitely not going to show as much on screen as ASCII.Yep, there's the number one reason I still almost always play ASCII on roguelikes where there's a choice.
I am not sure what actual specific information ASCII conveys better besides volume of data. These tiles will show your current equipment at a glance for example, and it's much easier to tell zombie types apart.With tiles? Sorry, but unless a player is colorblind and the tiles are incredibly distinctive, there's no way tiles are easier to distinguish than ASCII. I mean, maybe for a brand new player, sure? For anyone who knows what they're looking at, though, ASCII is always going to win on clarity for enemies. Usually for items as well, unless you're creeping around in the dark.
This is something I've harped on about re: DF tilesets and clarity, how a bunch of little creature tiles in no sense give a better quick-read of what things are than color- and case-coded letters, except to brand new players who don't recognize what the ASCII characters represent at all.
Tiles also unfortunately don't do much at all to solve the clarity issue caused by stacks of items. Though you'll already be miles ahead of other CDDA tilesets if you make vehicles more than a bunch of deformed red sedans--even without all the other reasons, that alone would turn me off them.
Post by: vastaghen12 on March 03, 2019, 12:05:02 am
Really if I were making a tile-set, i'll imitate the one Caves of Qud uses, which is heavily abstracted and has very limited color palettes. Specially so vehicles dont end up looking horrible.
Post by: Erk on March 03, 2019, 12:44:43 am
Nothing against ASCII mind you. I still DF in ASCII primarily.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 03, 2019, 02:51:55 am
Man, I couldn't disagree more strongly on the ASCII vs tileset monster clarity. "g". Is it a goblin, or a goat? With a tileset I know immediately, with ASCII I have to check. E. Am I facing an elf or an elephant? On one hand we have a vicious creature of nature diametrically opposed to dwarves, and on the other we have an elf. What kind of wearable is that particular "]" today? In cdda most of your enemies will be represented by a letter Z, and there's only so many foreground/background colour combinations possible.
Nothing against ASCII mind you. I still DF in ASCII primarily.
Is it beige? Goat. Military labor color? Goblin. If it's a capital E you already know it's not an elf (and probably an elephant); if the E is light grey it's most definitely an elephant. And that's disregarding contextual clues like "hey I wonder why there are sixteen goats in a tight cluster running for my front gate".
That's doubly silly to make that argument in CDDA, since it lacks the confusing factor DF has (by virtue of not having ten fucking million different animals and animalmen). The most common enemies, zombies, all have their own color, character, or combination thereof, and they're nowhere near saturation. Most other groups of enemies also share common characters, which makes IDing simply a matter of color-matching (or "Did your head get exploded from three screens away Y/N?" when figuring out whether a turret is an AM rifle or not). Cataclysm has always had a pretty sensible setup for enemy characters, honestly.
As far as items go: if you've got more than one set of gear, organize your shit like a responsible hoarder. Lockers and trunks were put onto this horrid world for a reason. If you're looting and not using the function to display all items in the vicinity in a list to make it less tedious (and, say, gods forbid, actually walking over to every single item to see what it is), you're bonkers.
Post by: n9103 on March 03, 2019, 03:05:23 am
I like it's asthetic, and have moderate hopes that it's in a good place when/if I ever get back in to Cata.
Post by: Rince Wind on March 03, 2019, 03:09:17 am
But it is really down to personal preferences. I play DF in ascii and I played CDDA with tiles (mostly).
Post by: scriver on March 03, 2019, 04:57:36 am
If you're looting and not using the function to display all items in the vicinity in a list to make it less tedious (and, say, gods forbid, actually walking over to every single item to see what it is), you're bonkers.
We're all mad here
Post by: King Zultan on March 03, 2019, 05:56:10 am
another useless pistolSo I take it you don't pickup every gun you see and add it to your gun heap, that will one day become a gun mountain.
Post by: Egan_BW on March 03, 2019, 06:17:56 am
Post by: Adragis on March 03, 2019, 06:26:57 am
Show us a character standing on top of a counter, Erk. :PContext clues, probably. Like the movecost of the current tile and the fact you don't just 'forget' you moved onto a counter.
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 03, 2019, 11:58:29 am
Post by: Flying Dice on March 03, 2019, 02:10:23 pm
Post by: Erk on March 03, 2019, 04:00:55 pm
I'm looking into making the "mountable" tag already in the game shift sprites a few pixels up if they're on top of it. however I've got a fair bit of elementary tileset implementation stuff to improve first, and since I'm more or less illiterate in c++ I have to work out exactly how it would be done and then bug a coder to actually do it ... Little cool details can wait
Post by: ollobrains on March 04, 2019, 09:00:17 am
Post by: Erk on March 04, 2019, 08:10:03 pm
If you're interested in adding stuff, it's pretty early days so far - I am still working out some of the basic standards - but it's not too early to try your hand at a few things. I would suggest that in particular monster sprites, item sprites, and floor tiles are something anyone could fiddle with now. Also any furniture tiles that don't require connections. The stuff that connects is a bit harder, I'm still figuring out some of the standards there and then plan to make some templates, I recommend steering clear until we figure it out. Fuji is making the character sprites and I'll get their layering info soon, until then they might be better to steer away from too.
If you're intimidated by GitHub feel free to submit images here and I'll add them or discuss them. However do look at the style guide on the GitHub front page.
Hope this provides a new and cool way for people who can't code to contribute to Cataclysm!
Post by: King Zultan on March 05, 2019, 07:49:37 am
Post by: Erk on March 05, 2019, 01:11:08 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on March 05, 2019, 06:25:44 pm
It's pretty hard to tell if something is still dirty or not in pitch darkness.Uh, no? Maybe to distinguish stains, but certainly not to see if it's rank. Remember as well that the only reason you need to wash clothes is that stupid "now with extra tedium" mechanic where clothes on zombies are classed as filthy. You damn well ought to be able to tell that a crusty/damp shirt that reeks of death and bodily fluids is dirty from smell and touch.
Post by: Paul on March 05, 2019, 08:30:54 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 05, 2019, 08:44:10 pm
Post by: Robsoie on March 05, 2019, 09:05:40 pm
Or introducing a trait like "afraid of the dark" or some kind of fear status etc.. that could lead the character refusing to do any work in the dark.
Fortunately filthy cloth is something you can disable to avoid all of this.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on March 05, 2019, 09:08:27 pm
It's pretty hard to tell if something is still dirty or not in pitch darkness."Pitch Darkness" is the justification for a lot of the fuckery with light issues. No amount of tech and no amount of mutation can ever possibly allow you to do activities in the dark because if there's no light there's no light and no matter how much you amplify it or how sensitive you are you can't see if there's absolutley 0 light.
Despite being used as a realistic broom to sweep away complaints about gameplay this analysis rarely considers actual realism. The darkness will screw you when you still have moonlight or when you're sitting inside at noon with the blinds drawn. It neglects that you can stumble through quite a few things in the dark, even with your eyes closed. Logically if I can't be sure that this batch of clothes is still gore spattered I can give them the old sniff test, feel for bits of yuck, or even say "screw it" and just work them as long as I think is necessary plus a little extra just in case.
With every batch of "realism" changes it looks more and more like realism is less of a goal more like a pretext for fucking the player by making it activities slightly more tedious. Every time you're forced to do something or told you can't do something in the name of realism makes it that much more annoying when you what you would realistically do is impossible.
Angerdone
How are NPC camps working in the newest version? I stopped updating months ago because suddenly a fully upgraded blacksmith and kitchen lost almost every job they had.
Post by: Erk on March 05, 2019, 09:41:44 pm
Pitch black is quite specific in game, it is meant to be zero light. Any amount of dim light lets you do most things that aren't dark craftable, and as you can see in that pr, so do most darkvision appliances (or they're supposed to). Mostly you see true dark deep inside buildings and underground. It's fair to argue that night shouldn't be so dark, but I don't think many people do their crafting outside at night.
What's with the whining about filth mechanics? It's still trivially easy to turn on and off, and I don't believe there's any plan to make it otherwise at any time, so basically you're just bitching that people are improving a mechanic they enjoy playing. Personally I never played before filth was added, and turning it off just feels like easy mode, the game is swimming in equipment that normally takes resources to get... But if you like easy mode, turn it off and let us play.
Post by: NullForceOmega on March 05, 2019, 09:48:10 pm
What's with the whining about filth mechanics? It's still trivially easy to turn on and off, and I don't believe there's any plan to make it otherwise at any time, so basically you're just bitching that people are improving a mechanic they enjoy playing. Personally I never played before filth was added, and turning it off just feels like easy mode, the game is swimming in equipment that normally takes resources to get... But if you like easy mode, turn it off and let us play.
Then you need to understand that most of the players in this thread have been playing the game for years longer than you have, as the mechanic being discussed is something that was added long, long after they started playing. For fuck's sake the last time I even downloaded the game was before that addition.
Also, you really should watch the level of passive-aggressive in your tone here, the community has so far been very welcoming and positive, but using words like 'whining', 'bitching' and 'easy mode' is likely to piss some people off pretty badly.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on March 05, 2019, 10:04:16 pm
It's also cold comfort that it's easily removed since that's something that's expressly not going to happen with other features.
Post by: scourge728 on March 05, 2019, 10:22:26 pm
Also: Flashlight bionics or bioluminescence would be funIt's pretty hard to tell if something is still dirty or not in pitch darkness."Pitch Darkness" is the justification for a lot of the fuckery with light issues. No amount of tech and no amount of mutation can ever possibly allow you to do activities in the dark because if there's no light there's no light and no matter how much you amplify it or how sensitive you are you can't see if there's absolutley 0 light.
Despite being used as a realistic broom to sweep away complaints about gameplay this analysis rarely considers actual realism. The darkness will screw you when you still have moonlight or when you're sitting inside at noon with the blinds drawn. It neglects that you can stumble through quite a few things in the dark, even with your eyes closed. Logically if I can't be sure that this batch of clothes is still gore spattered I can give them the old sniff test, feel for bits of yuck, or even say "screw it" and just work them as long as I think is necessary plus a little extra just in case.
With every batch of "realism" changes it looks more and more like realism is less of a goal more like a pretext for fucking the player by making it activities slightly more tedious. Every time you're forced to do something or told you can't do something in the name of realism makes it that much more annoying when you what you would realistically do is impossible.
Angerdone
How are NPC camps working in the newest version? I stopped updating months ago because suddenly a fully upgraded blacksmith and kitchen lost almost every job they had.
Post by: Broseph Stalin on March 05, 2019, 10:25:17 pm
Post by: Erk on March 05, 2019, 10:35:22 pm
I don't really see it heaped on anywhere but here. It is a mechanic that slows down resource acquisition in the early game, and makes some of the easier to acquire gear more of a choice, extending the timeframe of the (to me anyway) fun part of the early game. Generally everyone has gotten used to it; to me, it's how the game has always been, and like I said, it feels shallower without it.
I realize for a lot of the folks in this thread specifically, the game has moved in a different direction than you'd have liked, but it's been moving in that direction for what, five years now? There's now a large (very large, in fact) user base for whom those features are what brought us in. I decided to start contributing because I like playing a post apocalyptic survival simulator with zombies, and I'm by far not the only person. That's why development and forums for the game are significantly more active than they've ever been. If it's not your bag, that's too bad, I guess, but you'd probably be better off accepting at this point that "I did surgery on my own eyeball" is not going to be the direction things are developing, and "I need to build a shelter from windchill, it'll also keep my scent from spreading to that horde west of here" is.
Anyway, my work was unbelievably slow today so I drew a bunch of stuff including but not limited to a zombie brute. It's looking increasingly plausible that this will actually become a tileset, there are several other contributors now.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/552510581782085654/552587144368095233/brute_stages_demo.png)
Post by: Mech#4 on March 05, 2019, 11:23:29 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483281756611411968/552704341711257610/Compilation.png)
Left to right, top to bottom: Smoker, Shocker, Fat, Bloated, Boomer, Bat, Decayed, Crawling, Acidic.
I've tried to keep close to how the existing zombies look. Not shown here is the Smoker's smoke is transparent as well as the blue around the Shockers lightning. Any suggestions anyone?
The bats not fully done, would you prefer it to be large for visability or smaller since it is just a bat and not a giant bat?
Post by: Erk on March 05, 2019, 11:38:42 pm
Your style is slightly different than mine, would you mind if I edited a few details and bounced it back off you? Or you could join me in the discord at https://discord.gg/kAXNZuy and I'll discuss it with you in realtime. They look great though.
Post by: Darkmere on March 05, 2019, 11:45:39 pm
Post by: Mech#4 on March 05, 2019, 11:56:32 pm
Nice stuff! You've hit on one of our big sticking points about sprite size, I would say make it as big as you can get away with without it looking enormous, but try to keep it from being as big as a survivor. Err on the side of large and recognizable if in doubt.
Your style is slightly different than mine, would you mind if I edited a few details and bounced it back off you? Or you could join me in the discord at https://discord.gg/kAXNZuy and I'll discuss it with you in realtime. They look great though.
Hm, edit the image and send it to me as a PM? I don't have Nitro for Discord.
Post by: Erk on March 06, 2019, 12:44:38 am
Was there ever in all of this realism a feature that let you interrupt a task mid-way to, say, stoke a fire or whatever? Without taking the time to reverse all the progress on your task first, just to be sure you accomplished nothing while the embers died out?...yes? That was added as a feature quite a while ago. You mark a firewood source and your character keeps the fire stoked as long as there's wood. Only you don't have to interrupt your task.
Amongst all this realism talk there's a lot of talk of features to make life easier, like zone sorting and zone farming that made it possible to press shift+o and just automatically put all your gear where it goes.
Post by: teoleo on March 06, 2019, 06:04:19 am
Post by: scourge728 on March 06, 2019, 08:15:35 am
Post by: Erk on March 06, 2019, 09:54:37 am
Post by: Slax on March 06, 2019, 02:04:46 pm
Oh, and what's this?
(https://i.imgur.com/0B8E3sO.png)
It's happening.
Post by: Erk on March 06, 2019, 02:45:53 pm
Also I love how many ancient bugs have been squashed.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 06, 2019, 03:10:35 pm
For those confused, about six years ago bayonets where changed from being muzzle mods to being underbarrel. At the same time, no effort was made to allow them to be used on, for example, bolt-action rifles which mount bayonets.
Post by: Robsoie on March 06, 2019, 04:07:06 pm
As i don't know which ones are the most relevant to what you're wanting to do, here's the list :
(https://i.imgur.com/5ztFcnc.png)
Post by: Aseaheru on March 06, 2019, 04:35:02 pm
Post by: Erk on March 06, 2019, 05:08:45 pm
What is your proposed fix?
Post by: Flying Dice on March 06, 2019, 06:47:32 pm
(edit to add: sorry for the bitchiness above. I fell and hurt my ass and took it out on you guys, shouldn't have done that. Literally butthurt.)
I don't really see it heaped on anywhere but here. It is a mechanic that slows down resource acquisition in the early game, and makes some of the easier to acquire gear more of a choice, extending the timeframe of the (to me anyway) fun part of the early game. Generally everyone has gotten used to it; to me, it's how the game has always been, and like I said, it feels shallower without it.
I realize for a lot of the folks in this thread specifically, the game has moved in a different direction than you'd have liked, but it's been moving in that direction for what, five years now? There's now a large (very large, in fact) user base for whom those features are what brought us in. I decided to start contributing because I like playing a post apocalyptic survival simulator with zombies, and I'm by far not the only person. That's why development and forums for the game are significantly more active than they've ever been. If it's not your bag, that's too bad, I guess, but you'd probably be better off accepting at this point that "I did surgery on my own eyeball" is not going to be the direction things are developing, and "I need to build a shelter from windchill, it'll also keep my scent from spreading to that horde west of here" is.
Okay, let me try to break down the whole history of the issue for you.
This wasn't a thing under Whales. This wasn't a thing under the original CDDA dev team. This is specifically a product of Kevin and his cronies trying to force everyone to play in the specific "right" way they want people to have to play in.
Cataclysm, and DDA in its original form, had an incredible degree of player freedom. There were a lot of different things to do, and a great many different ways to go about them. Two people could play the game totally differently. In all the years I played, I never once built a deathmobile. There are people who never once carved out a bow. There are people who never installed a bionic, chugged mutagen, delved into a lab, &c.
There were also lots of people who did all of those things. The current dev mindset seems to be aimed at reducing player agency by steadily nerfing every source of player power while simultaneously adding in as much tedious sit-in-a-corner-and-wait-for-craft-timers as possible. The whole filthy clothing thing is far and away the most well-known example of the latter. It's a change which was added solely because Kevin didn't like it that other people decided to speed up their starts by picking damaged clothes off of zombies they'd killed and fixing them up, so he added an extra layer of crafting tedium dependent on a combination of resources (access to water, semi-uncommon soap mats). This was done in the name of realism, despite the system being utterly unrealistic: there is no way for clothing to become dirty, no stages of dirtiness, and no randomness (i.e. why would a fresh zombie with nothing but a tiny arm wound and a hole in the head have disgustingly dirty pants or shoes?).
This is the pattern of behavior: add pr which requires players to jump through more hoops in the name of realism and/or removes/reduces content which contributes to player power potential in the name of realism. Promise to add new content/mechanics to replace the gutted/cut content (maybe). Never actually do so, or do so years after the fact.
Look at how long guns were completely fucked for, because Kevin and co. didn't like it that people could find guns and shoot things with them without standing still for six hours to sight in on the target. Look how long it took to get a mostly not fucked up replacement system in place.
It has nothing to do with difficulty (because adding more tedium does not make the game harder) and everything to do with the combined removal of player agency and narrowing of scope. Cataclysm used to be a game which was, more than anything else, defined by all the options the player had. They're trying to force it to become a "scrounge for food and water until you die in a week or two" simulator because Kevin and a handful of vocal yes-men like that. They've even fucking booted the original setting because the cyberpunk future melange was tied to player agency and power (through bionics, mutations, high-tech guns, &c.) and turned it into contemporary New England instead... without actually changing any of the game flavor to reflect that. As always, "realism" is just an excuse for forcing people to play like them.
Post by: Paul on March 06, 2019, 07:04:55 pm
Post by: Darkmere on March 06, 2019, 08:16:32 pm
Over time the end-game goals have dwindled because the zombie apocalypse needs to be more realistic and we just can't abide by a character who can build a car from scratch ALSO being able to wield a gun effectively. The early game slog to get to that successful playground has only gotten worse for no effective gain, as it's just busywork and button mashing. I played the game to bash zombies with a custom super-tank, not fuck around with laundry. I do enough laundry in real life.
It feels like what actually made the game unique and replayable (deathmobile? Base? bionics? mutations? Science hero or ninja? guns or bows?) is being edged out in favor of chores and garbage that make the early game even more of a pain in the ass to get to a point where you have less to do than before. I would have been fine with the tedious stuff being shunted into mods, but it's not, the trend is to force more obtuse systems in the core and remove options that I used to enjoy.
So yeah.
Post by: Slax on March 06, 2019, 09:54:44 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/sqou6h5.png)
Just don't use it.
Post by: Darkmere on March 06, 2019, 10:04:13 pm
Post by: Slax on March 06, 2019, 10:35:14 pm
Plus you can just play an older version if you prefer that.
Post by: Erk on March 06, 2019, 10:44:09 pm
Moreover, it's not like Kevin's some tin pot dictator. It's his branch. He's an asshole sometimes, but it isn't simple chance that his branch has been going strong this long... asshole or not, the game he's making is one that a lot of people want to play and contribute to, and he has a pretty distinct plan for it that continues to come together. Most of us enjoy working with him, that's why we do.
So, you can have a thread where you keep complaining about the little things you don't like the sound of in a game you freely admit you don't even play, or you can let the growing community of people who do play it talk about it and enjoy it I guess. I'd personally much rather talk about actual stuff happening with the game than bemoan some frankly trivial bugfix about when you can do your laundry.
(Edit to add: also, filthy wasn't added by Kevin. Oddly enough he's not the only person who contributes, many people have similar ideas for how the game should go. In fact it came out in 2016, which I believe would have been around the time Kevin wasn't active because he had a new baby.)
Post by: NullForceOmega on March 07, 2019, 12:16:51 am
Now I'm going to lay into you like a John Deere combine into a field of dry wheat.
This thread is for open discussion of C:DDA, and I assume that it will remain so until i2amroy or Toady shuts it down. That means that the negative feedback stands alongside the positive here.
To be clear I do not have a personal stake in the changes, as has been stated previously I just stopped with the last version I enjoyed. I empathize with both sides of this discussion, some of the changes seem tedious to no point, and on the other hand there have been a great number of changes that add depth to the simulationist aspect of the game.
Nonetheless, this attitude that the current C:DDA team and followers espouse is even more toxic than the griping that goes on here. Look at what you typed, you just tried to shut down differing opinions because you don't agree with them. That right there is toxic as fuck and makes it impossible to have any sort of meaningful conversation. Maybe you haven't caught on, but what one person finds interesting to talk about and what others want to talk about rarely align for more than a few posts, and this thread exists so that all of those viewpoints can be explored. This sorrowfully means that there will be a hell of a lot of tired retreading of old ground, because to some people that is where their emotional investment lies.
Post by: Darkmere on March 07, 2019, 12:19:08 am
But any mention of that all directly goes back to one single thing that gets dismissed immediately because that particular irritation happens to be moddable when all the others aren't. I think I've been pretty civil here, but I see no reason I shouldn't be allowed to voice my displeasure at a game I once enjoyed going in a direction I have tried and actively dislike every time I try to get back into it again.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 07, 2019, 12:44:05 am
What?Most of the problems in the same vein don't have an option to turn them off, and Kevin has directly confirmed that he's deliberately avoiding giving people those options. The issue is with the underlying design philosophy/attitude behind the "dirty clothes" change, not the thing itself. It's barely relevant for the first three or four days of a new game, and only if you can't find any good clothing/mil surplus stores.
(https://i.imgur.com/sqou6h5.png)
Just don't use it.
Post by: Erk on March 07, 2019, 01:29:39 am
Nonetheless, this attitude that the current C:DDA team and followers espouse is even more toxic than the griping that goes on here. Look at what you typed, you just tried to shut down differing opinions because you don't agree with them. That right there is toxic as fuck and makes it impossible to have any sort of meaningful conversation.
Oh, come on. I was pretty specific in how I worded what I said, and meant it as I said it: by all means, keep talking about things that changed three, four, or five years ago, or saying how much you dislike things going on in a game all of you don't actually play because you don't like the direction it's been taking for half a decade. The only way I am "shutting anyone down" is by observing how incredibly petty and pointless that is: these things are very old history now. Whales left cataclysm ages ago, and Dark Days Ahead as a fork has had its path laid out for a long time. We have no shortage of places to go for feedback, nobody - including me - really cares if this thread is going to be relentlessly negative. I just don't understand why anyone would expend the energy on such a fruitless pursuit... even more baffling because the most relentlessly negative people in the thread all just reiterated that they don't like and don't play the game. And, like, I came here to talk and share dev stuff because I'd heard it was a moderately active place to do that... but scanning through the thread I've quickly realized why nobody else bothers with this one little corner. For pete's sake, a few posts back one of the frequent posters here called a friend of mine a "DENSE FUCK" and that, apparently, was OK; so is calling us "yes-men" to a "tin pot dictator" because we happened to enjoy and volunteer our time to work on a game you don't like; but me suggesting people maybe move on from complaining about a game they don't play that isn't ever going to be what they want (and is very clearly outlined to continue moving away from that) is toxic?
Post by: Aseaheru on March 07, 2019, 02:13:39 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 07, 2019, 03:06:26 am
I assume that many people here afe in the same situation. But until/unless we find a team willingmto develop DDA in the direction we'd prefer we are pretty much screwed.
I dont really expect this Granade guy to change his mind. As I said in a previous post, it's his time and his effort, and thus at the end of the day unless someone else willing to do the job shows up he will be the one calling the shots
Post by: ollobrains on March 07, 2019, 04:42:47 am
Guys, I've said it more than once: the problem here is that we dont have an alternate dev team. DDA could be branched (or coolthulu's, or whatever), but there's noone really willing to take the bull by the horns. This is not criticism btw: I'm also not happy about the changes im recent years (and havent played the game since 2017. Not least because I not only dislike the changes, but find that it has become clunky as a result) but I dont have the time or the experience to get into developing it. And TBH I don't have the inclination either: I play videogames as a hobby. I dont have a keen interest in developing them.
I assume that many people here afe in the same situation. But until/unless we find a team willingmto develop DDA in the direction we'd prefer we are pretty much screwed.
I dont really expect this Granade guy to change his mind. As I said in a previous post, it's his time and his effort, and thus at the end of the day unless someone else willing to do the job shows up he will be the one calling the shots
the best thing peeps can do is to spread the word through the dev community, maybe others will organise in the future. Or just see where this "kevin" takes the base game. Maybe someone could support forks and see if something can go, I do enjoy the old and the new game and the fork. Maybe more modding programming contributions could be a middle ground in the community
Erks new tile set is an example of progress where progress is possible
Post by: Erk on March 07, 2019, 10:18:22 am
Guys, I've said it more than once: the problem here is that we dont have an alternate dev team. DDA could be branched (or coolthulu's, or whatever), but there's noone really willing to take the bull by the horns. This is not criticism btw: I'm also not happy about the changes im recent years (and havent played the game since 2017. Not least because I not only dislike the changes, but find that it has become clunky as a result) but I dont have the time or the experience to get into developing it. And TBH I don't have the inclination either: I play videogames as a hobby. I dont have a keen interest in developing them.
I assume that many people here afe in the same situation. But until/unless we find a team willingmto develop DDA in the direction we'd prefer we are pretty much screwed.
I dont really expect this Granade guy to change his mind. As I said in a previous post, it's his time and his effort, and thus at the end of the day unless someone else willing to do the job shows up he will be the one calling the shots
This, many times over. Kevin forked the game, and is making the game he wants; not surprisingly the people joining him on his fork also want that game. There's no special voodoo to creating a different fork.
There's also lots of support from the dev team for if someone wants to make a cyberpunk light-realism conversion mod within the main game; nobody has stepped up for either. Those of us adding stuff now just add what we're interested in, and this is what we're interested in. If someone were interested in making a bundled mod with a bunch more CBMs and crazy items that didn't fit the game theme, even adding c++ support for it, the dev team would not only not have a problem, but a couple of the coders would be highly supportive.
Personally I'm like 95% on board with the game we're making, so I'm pretty happy with the state of things myself. The tileset is another little part in my goal of making the game feel like our earth but dead.
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 07, 2019, 01:37:14 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/183237785979715585/553284776698707974/image.png)
Only real additions are a dress shirt, gilded aegis, and mask of insight. The .XCF version also has a separate overlay for an active version of the mask, which messes with the shading to try and give it an angrier look.
Will wait before adding more for when the template is updated with Fuji's newer version of the human sprite, I'll already need to make minor tweaks to this.
Post by: Erk on March 07, 2019, 06:45:11 pm
Erk, proposed fix is make combat knife, sword bayonet and fancy fighting knife muzzle mods again instead of underbarrel mods. I think I even have a functional mod version for it, which should disable the prexisting versions and replace them with identical in every respect excepting where they attach. I have a feeling that its going to bork professions that start with the things, and Im worried about it conflicting with diamond coating, but ahwell, better than finding a bolt-action and failing to attach a bayonet to it because "lol, no bayonets possible on mosin-nagants/M1903 Springfields/etc. etc."
Come to think of it, why not add an under barrel attachment slot for those weapons? The real problem here is that we can't whitelist specific mods yet, and in terms of priority it's just not that huge a thing... But I'd say being able to attach an underbarrel mod to a mosin-nagant is less weird than sticking a bayonet on the muzzle, personally.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 07, 2019, 08:38:52 pm
To expand on the above: I can go grab piles and piles of imagery around the internet of bayonets on the muzzle of a gun, and none(except weird tacticool pistol bayonets or super strange things on piccitinny) of them underbarrel. It would also be changing a minimum of 10 files instead of 3 to 5, and would make less sense for balance, what with certain firearms already having versions with an underbarrel slot(although those appear to be based on thinking its getting a bipod or foregrip).
Mostly though, it jsut grates at my brain for underbarrel bayonets not working on most guns where they make sense and other firearms being "too small" to have them as underbarrel things(certain shotguns with sword bayonets have given me that error from time to time).
Post by: Slax on March 07, 2019, 08:59:59 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/61AhD94.png)
Post by: Aseaheru on March 07, 2019, 09:09:18 pm
And it must have been "we dont want to code exclusions for when underbarrel weapons can be fired" because that bayonet is clearly on the muzzle.
Post by: pikachu17 on March 07, 2019, 09:19:11 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on March 07, 2019, 09:55:33 pm
Guys, I've said it more than once: the problem here is that we dont have an alternate dev team. DDA could be branched (or coolthulu's, or whatever), but there's noone really willing to take the bull by the horns. This is not criticism btw: I'm also not happy about the changes im recent years (and havent played the game since 2017. Not least because I not only dislike the changes, but find that it has become clunky as a result) but I dont have the time or the experience to get into developing it. And TBH I don't have the inclination either: I play videogames as a hobby. I dont have a keen interest in developing them.
I assume that many people here afe in the same situation. But until/unless we find a team willingmto develop DDA in the direction we'd prefer we are pretty much screwed.
I dont really expect this Granade guy to change his mind. As I said in a previous post, it's his time and his effort, and thus at the end of the day unless someone else willing to do the job shows up he will be the one calling the shots
This, many times over. Kevin forked the game, and is making the game he wants; not surprisingly the people joining him on his fork also want that game. There's no special voodoo to creating a different fork.
No, he didn't. A whole team of mostly lovely, competent people forked the game. They drifted off over the years for a whole range of reasons. Kevin just happened to be the one obsessed enough with running shit mountain to stick around until basically nothing was left of the original DDA crew, and used his position to stomp out other devs with different ideas re: how DDA should continue.
A good number of the core members behind DDA were B12 regulars, after all. That, and Kevin not having admin privileges here, is why this thread isn't just another yes-man circlejerk.
Post by: Erk on March 08, 2019, 12:59:19 am
Speaking of which, 0.D is out! Future releases are likely to be less than 4 years apart. (https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/0-danny-is-0-done/19118/6) IIRC more code and content was added between 0.C and 0.D than between the creation of the game and 0.C; the bar for a shorter release cycle is quite low. Nonetheless, plans for 0.E release features are well underway based on community polls, with a decent chance that this is going to be the Z-levels and NPCs release... Already some really good PRs in for some of the easier to reach features there.
(I'm particularly keen on the relatively mundane addition of roofs to most buildings, which is currently underway and will make it a whole thing to climb onto rooftops and snipe zombies in the street below.)
Post by: Eschar on March 08, 2019, 01:06:59 am
I had thought I might get involved with C:DDA development at some point. It seems that would require rather more tedium than I thought - instead of just focusing on the game, it seems I will have to defend my changes from accusations of unrealism even if there's evidence to back up my position (see: ceremonial bone armor exists IRL, rejected anyway.)
I could do JSON mods of course - I don't now any variant of C right now, I can possibly figure out JSON, and people can *choose* if they want to use my mod or not.
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 08, 2019, 01:08:14 am
Post by: Erk on March 08, 2019, 01:34:19 am
Can somebody change the thread title to "C:DDA: Meta-development thread," as the current title incorrectly suggests that we're actually talking about the game itself (for more than one game-related post per page)?
I had thought I might get involved with C:DDA development at some point. It seems that would require rather more tedium than I thought - instead of just focusing on the game, it seems I will have to defend my changes from accusations of unrealism even if there's evidence to back up my position (see: ceremonial bone armor exists IRL, rejected anyway.)
I could do JSON mods of course - I don't now any variant of C right now, I can possibly figure out JSON, and people can *choose* if they want to use my mod or not.
I've added a huge amount of stuff and never had any trouble having to back up stuff... I either back it up, or I don't add stuff that is obviously debate worthy if I don't feel like backing it up. If you are legit interested in contributing, there's a ton of JSON mapping to be done, right now there's a great big project to add more Z-levels and expand cities, as well as update furniture options in buildings to use a bunch of the new terrain and items. It's easy, rewarding stuff, feel free to PM me.
Official site still makes no mention of 0.D.
It only came out like an hour or two ago, give us some time to post it places.
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 08, 2019, 02:00:03 am
It only came out like an hour or two ago, give us some time to post it places.
Whoops. Didn't know how long it'd been released, been out and about most of the evening.
Post by: ollobrains on March 08, 2019, 03:33:05 am
Can somebody change the thread title to "C:DDA: Meta-development thread," as the current title incorrectly suggests that we're actually talking about the game itself (for more than one game-related post per page)?
I had thought I might get involved with C:DDA development at some point. It seems that would require rather more tedium than I thought - instead of just focusing on the game, it seems I will have to defend my changes from accusations of unrealism even if there's evidence to back up my position (see: ceremonial bone armor exists IRL, rejected anyway.)
I could do JSON mods of course - I don't now any variant of C right now, I can possibly figure out JSON, and people can *choose* if they want to use my mod or not.
I've added a huge amount of stuff and never had any trouble having to back up stuff... I either back it up, or I don't add stuff that is obviously debate worthy if I don't feel like backing it up. If you are legit interested in contributing, there's a ton of JSON mapping to be done, right now there's a great big project to add more Z-levels and expand cities, as well as update furniture options in buildings to use a bunch of the new terrain and items. It's easy, rewarding stuff, feel free to PM me.Official site still makes no mention of 0.D.
It only came out like an hour or two ago, give us some time to post it places.
seems like theres still real progress being made and no shortage of peeps ready to put in if it fits their vision. Or things could always get forked in a third direction as well
Post by: Arbinire on March 08, 2019, 09:13:13 am
Guys, I've said it more than once: the problem here is that we dont have an alternate dev team. DDA could be branched (or coolthulu's, or whatever), but there's noone really willing to take the bull by the horns. This is not criticism btw: I'm also not happy about the changes im recent years (and havent played the game since 2017. Not least because I not only dislike the changes, but find that it has become clunky as a result) but I dont have the time or the experience to get into developing it. And TBH I don't have the inclination either: I play videogames as a hobby. I dont have a keen interest in developing them.
I assume that many people here afe in the same situation. But until/unless we find a team willingmto develop DDA in the direction we'd prefer we are pretty much screwed.
I dont really expect this Granade guy to change his mind. As I said in a previous post, it's his time and his effort, and thus at the end of the day unless someone else willing to do the job shows up he will be the one calling the shots
This, many times over. Kevin forked the game, and is making the game he wants; not surprisingly the people joining him on his fork also want that game. There's no special voodoo to creating a different fork.
No, he didn't. A whole team of mostly lovely, competent people forked the game. They drifted off over the years for a whole range of reasons. Kevin just happened to be the one obsessed enough with running shit mountain to stick around until basically nothing was left of the original DDA crew, and used his position to stomp out other devs with different ideas re: how DDA should continue.
A good number of the core members behind DDA were B12 regulars, after all. That, and Kevin not having admin privileges here, is why this thread isn't just another yes-man circlejerk.
100% this. The only things Kevin has actually added to the game is tedium, and the game doesn't really have too big of a fanbase anymore because of it. And reading through this discussion, I pity you Erk, cause right now you might enjoy it, but there WILL come a time something will be "changed" where you're like "why would you do that Kev?" and he'll definitely attack you and belittle you for questioning it, and the yes-men over there will dogpile you for your heretical question of the word of Kevin, and you'll be exactly where the rest of us have been.
He's not a good game developer, and is the epitome of the basement dweller stereotype who doesn't want people to enjoy things. His mission is clearly to just alter the game in ways he knows will illicit complaint so he can rub his nipples a la South Park cable company.
Post by: Erk on March 08, 2019, 09:48:01 am
seems like theres still real progress being made and no shortage of peeps ready to put in if it fits their vision. Or things could always get forked in a third direction as wellYeah, it's a very active community where by and large we're having a good time, as the number of contributors that have been sticking around for months and years, and the current frenzied pace of additions, demonstrates.
Currently there's a big push for more lore after a couple really good writing sessions. I'm pretty excited for the next phase that is likely to come out over the next couple months. I'd far rather talk about that, but this thread seems to be dedicated to focused bitching and open insulting and incredibly rude patronizing of people; so, I'd highly recommend people interested in talking about cataclysm check out reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/ or discourse.cataclysmdda.org; I'm i_am_erk in both places and would be happy to chat with you about stuff we're doing. Any attempt to discuss the game here seems to be immediately redirected into complaining about one of its developers.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 08, 2019, 07:31:19 pm
seems like theres still real progress being made and no shortage of peeps ready to put in if it fits their vision. Or things could always get forked in a third direction as wellYeah, it's a very active community where by and large we're having a good time, as the number of contributors that have been sticking around for months and years, and the current frenzied pace of additions, demonstrates.
Almost every major contributor is no longer with the project. Some because Kevin outright banned them from the git because he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
I'm guessing you're too new to remember why "shield rework pr" is significant.
And hey, you may not like it, but pretty much all the good new content gets overshadowed by the bad shit. Most of us are also playing on old, less bad builds. Every time I open the launcher and read new updates I spot some additional bit of stupid shit.
Don't worry though, you'll learn. Like corrosive said, you'll eventually have your day where Kevin decides to throw a spastic, socially inept tantrum about something you want to do too, and blast you with the full fury of a thousand scraggly neckbeards if you say anything back to him.
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on March 08, 2019, 07:53:23 pm
I seemed to remember the Reddit having plenty as well complaining about it as well, till it seemed like people were slowly but surely leaving because of how kevin did things.seems like theres still real progress being made and no shortage of peeps ready to put in if it fits their vision. Or things could always get forked in a third direction as wellYeah, it's a very active community where by and large we're having a good time, as the number of contributors that have been sticking around for months and years, and the current frenzied pace of additions, demonstrates.
Currently there's a big push for more lore after a couple really good writing sessions. I'm pretty excited for the next phase that is likely to come out over the next couple months. I'd far rather talk about that, but this thread seems to be dedicated to focused bitching and open insulting and incredibly rude patronizing of people; so, I'd highly recommend people interested in talking about cataclysm check out reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/ or discourse.cataclysmdda.org; I'm i_am_erk in both places and would be happy to chat with you about stuff we're doing. Any attempt to discuss the game here seems to be immediately redirected into complaining about one of its developers.
At least I assumed they left, I don't want to assume some just got banned.
Post by: Toady One on March 08, 2019, 09:24:43 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 08, 2019, 09:32:46 pm
For once I just wanted feedback on trying to make sprites for Erk's new tileset instead. ;~;
Post by: scourge728 on March 08, 2019, 09:48:16 pm
Post by: Mech#4 on March 08, 2019, 10:04:46 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483281756611411968/553773632216891416/Compilation_2.png)
Left to Right, Top to Bottom: Bat (2 size versions), Decayed, Fat, Acidic, Corrosive, Crawling, Bloated, Boomer, Smoker, Shocker, Firefighter (Based off of Boston firefighter uniform), Grabber.
Erk, do you have any examples of the style you want for technological and mechanical things? I'll hold off on doing some of those types of things, like the armoured zombie, until I have some design to follow.
Post by: Erk on March 08, 2019, 10:09:58 pm
@mech4: I haven't booted up gimp for a couple days but your art is sitting at the top of my to do list once I do, I'm really excited about it. I don't have access nor time for graphics on my wed-fri job.
I do however have time for a bit of writing. I'm working on a few big lore and npc related projects right now but I'm stoked about one that adds a choose your own adventure element to starting NPCs. You can either choose through dialogue to have amnesia, in which case they randomly give you a handful of choices, or you can assert through dialogue that the NPC has amnesia, and guide them through the backstory yourself. In the end, you'll find out all kinds of stuff about how you survived the cataclysm, what happened to you, and who you're travelling with.
For example (this is written in my "notes to self" format. Each header represents a different conversation topic, each bracketed portion is the topic a given option links to.
Quote
>talk-startingnpc-cya
Hey there. Looks like we're safe.
-for now. How much do you remember? (Cya1)
-i can't remember how I got here. (Cya2)
>Cya1
Not...not much to be honest. Can you help jog my memory?
-Sure. Let's start with "who am I"? Do you remember me? (Cya1-who1)
-Do you remember how we made it here? (Cya1-escape1)
>Cya1-who1
No... I feel like I should, though.
-Yeah, you really are forgetting a lot. We're family! (Cya1-who2family)
-You must really have been hard hit to forget your best friend (Cya2-who2friend)
-That stings... but it's not your fault after what we went through. I'm your [boyfriend/girlfriend], remember? (Cya1-who2lover)
-Oh no. Please tell me you remember. I'm your [husband/wife]! (Cya1-who2spouse)
-It's me. [Name], from work? (Cya1-who2coworker)
-Maybe. We met during <the_cataclysm>. We've been through a lot in the past couple days, but before that I don't think we'd ever seen each other. (Cya1who2newfriend)
-Not really. We only just met. (Cya1who2unfamiliar)
Eventually I hope to have quest options like "dad, we have to do something about mom. We can't just leave her like that."
In terms of humble but amazing additions I'm also super keen on the rooftops getting added to the game. I'm working hard on pestering a coder to help me work out a system for parkouring between rooftops, or using your wings to glide across the street. Also maybe zip lines.
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 08, 2019, 10:15:55 pm
I'm working away at the sprites and I've got some new ones to add.
Looks good, better than what I could come up with.
Any thoughts on that initial attempt to try this style?
Post by: Mech#4 on March 08, 2019, 11:00:33 pm
I'm working away at the sprites and I've got some new ones to add.
Looks good, better than what I could come up with.
Any thoughts on that initial attempt to try this style?
Myself, I'm not too sure. Cataclysm has things like implants and high-tech doohickies. Let me have a look over some descriptions in the wiki.
::Reading::
A lot of the robots seem to be either Manhacks, or varients of (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/half-life/images/4/4b/Manhack.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090527003317&path-prefix=en), and autonomous vehicles like the Beagle Mini-tank UGV (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C3_bzaJ_u8c/maxresdefault.jpg). I guess some angle between modern drone vehicles at Half-Life 2 would work. There are some outliers and, personally, I think it's fine if some things are noticably out of place style-wise because Cataclysm is a bit of a mishmash of things. The Chicken Walker I would imagine would look more like ED-209 (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71UZaAPk8uL._SX425_.jpg) or the Sentry Bot from Deus Ex. (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/deusex/images/8/83/PageBravo3Peacebringer.png/revision/latest?cb=20110117162216&path-prefix=en)
I don't really know for the power armour. It's worn by the Armoured Zombie as well as obtainable by the player in light, basic and heavy forms. Perhaps like that in Deus Ex? (https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/547/426/large/frederic-daoust-exo-front.jpg?1476328459) Since apparently the bionics are influenced by Deus Ex as well. I do think things should look more high tech and distinct if you find them within the science bunkers. Secret prototype technology and all that.
Post by: Egan_BW on March 08, 2019, 11:18:20 pm
Post by: Mech#4 on March 08, 2019, 11:21:12 pm
Would an armored zombie even look different from the player in power armor? That might very well call for just one sprite.
Well, I would like to do something like having a piece of the armour broken, hole in the faceplate, with some blood visible and maybe frayed wires. The stance could be different as well, hunched over or dragging since the powers gone in the armour.
Post by: Erk on March 08, 2019, 11:42:10 pm
I need to figure out how inorganic monsters are going to look, that might be a good one to start with tonight.
Also @random dragon, I'll send you some feedback on the discord once I've got a sec.
Post by: King Zultan on March 09, 2019, 05:40:44 am
I don't really know for the power armour. It's worn by the Armoured Zombie as well as obtainable by the player in light, basic and heavy forms.Why don't you make the heavy power armor look like the power armor from fallout.
Post by: teoleo on March 09, 2019, 06:08:12 am
Post by: Mech#4 on March 09, 2019, 06:59:48 am
I don't really know for the power armour. It's worn by the Armoured Zombie as well as obtainable by the player in light, basic and heavy forms.Why don't you make the heavy power armor look like the power armor from fallout.
Ah, I was going to mention something about that. The Fallout style did come to mind and would work to a degree with the apocalyptic nature of the game. However I felt that the Fallout style of power armour is a bit too... Zeerust in style, dated futuristic. Looking at things like the Manhacks, autonomous vehicles and sentry bots put me more in mind of a more modern futuristic style rather than the old 50s futuristic style of Fallout.
Post by: King Zultan on March 09, 2019, 07:22:15 am
I also mentioned it because Fallout power armour seems to be what people think about when power armour is mentioned, people also think of Warhammer 40k, but Warhammer power armour might not fit the futuristic style your looking for ether sense it looks similar to fallout's.I don't really know for the power armour. It's worn by the Armoured Zombie as well as obtainable by the player in light, basic and heavy forms.Why don't you make the heavy power armor look like the power armor from fallout.
Ah, I was going to mention something about that. The Fallout style did come to mind and would work to a degree with the apocalyptic nature of the game. However I felt that the Fallout style of power armour is a bit too... Zeerust in style, dated futuristic. Looking at things like the Manhacks, autonomous vehicles and sentry bots put me more in mind of a more modern futuristic style rather than the old 50s futuristic style of Fallout.
Post by: Mech#4 on March 09, 2019, 08:04:28 am
I also mentioned it because Fallout power armour seems to be what people think about when power armour is mentioned, people also think of Warhammer 40k, but Warhammer power armour might not fit the futuristic style your looking for ether sense it looks similar to fallout's.I don't really know for the power armour. It's worn by the Armoured Zombie as well as obtainable by the player in light, basic and heavy forms.Why don't you make the heavy power armor look like the power armor from fallout.
Ah, I was going to mention something about that. The Fallout style did come to mind and would work to a degree with the apocalyptic nature of the game. However I felt that the Fallout style of power armour is a bit too... Zeerust in style, dated futuristic. Looking at things like the Manhacks, autonomous vehicles and sentry bots put me more in mind of a more modern futuristic style rather than the old 50s futuristic style of Fallout.
Absolutely. It came to mind first for me too. Though I thought "Well, people might be expecting Fallout" so I had a look around for other settings with power armour like Deus Ex (https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/547/426/large/frederic-daoust-exo-front.jpg?1476328459), F.E.A.R. (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fear/images/6/64/Other_Replica_Forces.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090306062433), XCOM (http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/xcom/images/1/15/XCOM%28EU%29_ConceptArt_Tier3Armor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131031202158) and Crysis (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/crysis/images/f/fb/Crynet_nanosuit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110405124601). Though those last two might be a bit too futuristic, maybe more like the power armour in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/stalker/images/e/ec/Exoskeletoncop.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100312192448).
Looking at it, F.E.A.R. might work quite well in a number of ways. The sentry bots, super soldiers and armour design.
Post by: King Zultan on March 09, 2019, 08:24:47 am
Absolutely. It came to mind first for me too. Though I thought "Well, people might be expecting Fallout" so I had a look around for other settings with power armour like Deus Ex (https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/547/426/large/frederic-daoust-exo-front.jpg?1476328459), F.E.A.R. (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fear/images/6/64/Other_Replica_Forces.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090306062433), XCOM (http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/xcom/images/1/15/XCOM%28EU%29_ConceptArt_Tier3Armor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131031202158) and Crysis (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/crysis/images/f/fb/Crynet_nanosuit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110405124601). Though those last two might be a bit too futuristic, maybe more like the power armour in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/stalker/images/e/ec/Exoskeletoncop.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100312192448).I'm not sure the exoskeleton from S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would work sense its worn over other stuff, but can see the Deus Ex, F.E.A.R., and XCOM armours working for well power armour, and I think the armour from Crysis would work good for the RM13 combat armour,
Looking at it, F.E.A.R. might work quite well in a number of ways. The sentry bots, super soldiers and armour design.
Post by: Erk on March 09, 2019, 11:16:18 am
What's cool about how sprites work in this is that I can make the power armour physically bigger as a sprite and still keep the hands in the same location so that it can hold objects.
Post by: King Zultan on March 09, 2019, 11:26:44 am
Post by: Egan_BW on March 09, 2019, 01:45:09 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on March 09, 2019, 02:42:37 pm
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It's a cyberpunk setting at base, so something similar to how homebrewed power armor in Shadowrun typically works seems right (where it's basically heavy combat armor with bionic addons and some sort of lifter frame/exoskeleton.
Post by: Erk on March 09, 2019, 07:32:53 pm
I have some ideas, I will see if I have time to draw tonight after finishing my barn update. (You can now find NPCs camped out in abandoned barns! Or will when this merges. It's not common but a decent bet.)
Post by: Flying Dice on March 09, 2019, 08:05:21 pm
Post by: Arbinire on March 10, 2019, 08:47:22 am
Post by: scriver on March 10, 2019, 08:51:23 am
Post by: Erk on March 10, 2019, 10:17:14 am
In that vein, if you haven't seen it, you might want to check out the available footage of the Raytheon XOS. It's a bit old now, but it gives a good idea of where the mass of the underlying exoskeleton would likely be distributed (i.e. it's more likely to look bulky on the outside of the wearer's arms, on their back, &c. than the inside of their arms, the sides of their torso, &c.).Yeah, I'm familiar with that, it's actually a pretty large source of inspiration!
About twenty PRs for mapgen stuff got merged last night, with massive changes to city spawning, tons of new buildings, and more. Two of my biggest contributions are that about 1/3 of basements now have hot water heaters, which spawn with clean water in them, and that about 1/4 of abandoned barns have holdout NPCs camped out in them, so if you're looking to start a camp they're a place to go. I'll be giving them some unique dialogue soon.
Post by: Trolldefender99 on March 10, 2019, 03:32:04 pm
where i have to install a tileset mod?
Since post was missed. I assume you mean the one that has been posted recently by Erk. You don't. Gotta wait for the artist(s) to finish it. There IS a download for the tileset, but its not usable in-game and it isn't finished anyway.
Or do you mean a general tileset? If so, then you just change what tileset you are using in one of the options menu. Personally, I'm enjoying Cata MSX (dead) people tileset. However. In the in-game menu it says (live) people or something like that, not dead.
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As for the updates. As someone who didn't play older Cataclysm, I personally really enjoy Cata DDA. I played I think a couple months ago and had a great time, and got a lot of hours out of it in a short period. Its one of my favorite roguelikes that isn't dwarf fortress. Guess some people like the classic Cata DDA, but tbh, every game that has "evolved" has the fans of the "classic" period they prefer. A good example is World of Warcraft as it is today and the fanbase of WoW vanilla are two nearly completely different fanbases (though some vanilla players still play current WoW). But that is true for a lot of games that end up getting a lot of updates/changes. More so MMOs than other genres, since MMOs change the most over time. People don't tend to like change very much.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 10, 2019, 04:50:25 pm
About twenty PRs for mapgen stuff got merged last night, with massive changes to city spawning, tons of new buildings, and more. Two of my biggest contributions are that about 1/3 of basements now have hot water heaters, which spawn with clean water in them, and that about 1/4 of abandoned barns have holdout NPCs camped out in them, so if you're looking to start a camp they're a place to go. I'll be giving them some unique dialogue soon.
It's stuff like this that really makes me wish we could sync with individual prs without having to take the whole volume of updates. That's good QoL work.
I am concerned about increasing numbers of separate buildings in main. One thing I've noticed from playing with lots of additional building mods is that if you don't up city size to compensate, you end up with very few "key" buildings spawning relative to unmodded; you might have a city fill the better part of 3-4 map blocks and barely have a handful of things like hardware stores, libraries, gun shops, &c. It's almost the inverse problem of how you used to see stuff like cities where 70% of the non-house buildings were grocery stores or clothing stores.
Might be useful to have discrete variants of important buildings (as opposed to different layouts for the same one and in addition to what we sort of already have where certain types of building have a degree of loot pool overlap), with similar but distinct loot pools. So for hardware stores have the little local hardware store one-tiles, 2x2 and 3x3 home improvement stores (probably with gardening stuff in the latter).
It may be more realistic to have a city full of run-down houses and pointless commercial zoning that has nothing useful in post-apocalyptia, but from a gameplay perspective it's frustrating to have to search three large cities to find a hacksaw or good bag.
Post by: Rolan7 on March 10, 2019, 04:54:51 pm
My understanding is that's a primary feature of git (vs the MUCH easier SVN), but it obviously starts to fail once a project has progressed too far. It only works if the line-by-line changes translate to various forks and still work properly.About twenty PRs for mapgen stuff got merged last night, with massive changes to city spawning, tons of new buildings, and more. Two of my biggest contributions are that about 1/3 of basements now have hot water heaters, which spawn with clean water in them, and that about 1/4 of abandoned barns have holdout NPCs camped out in them, so if you're looking to start a camp they're a place to go. I'll be giving them some unique dialogue soon.
It's stuff like this that really makes me wish we could sync with individual prs without having to take the whole volume of updates. That's good QoL work.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 10, 2019, 04:57:07 pm
My understanding is that's a primary feature of git (vs the MUCH easier SVN), but it obviously starts to fail once a project has progressed too far. It only works if the line-by-line changes translate to various forks and still work properly.About twenty PRs for mapgen stuff got merged last night, with massive changes to city spawning, tons of new buildings, and more. Two of my biggest contributions are that about 1/3 of basements now have hot water heaters, which spawn with clean water in them, and that about 1/4 of abandoned barns have holdout NPCs camped out in them, so if you're looking to start a camp they're a place to go. I'll be giving them some unique dialogue soon.
It's stuff like this that really makes me wish we could sync with individual prs without having to take the whole volume of updates. That's good QoL work.
That's the issue. My most current version is months old, and I have no bloody clue what sort of dependencies any give pr might have. If it references something that was redefined in some other change, I have to go wading back to figure out what the hell that was from--and even if I find the right thing, that probably has other dependencies of its own.
My builds that are years old? Good lord no.
Post by: Silicoid on March 10, 2019, 06:16:07 pm
Post by: Erk on March 10, 2019, 10:06:33 pm
Might be useful to have discrete variants of important buildings (as opposed to different layouts for the same one and in addition to what we sort of already have where certain types of building have a degree of loot pool overlap), with similar but distinct loot pools. So for hardware stores have the little local hardware store one-tiles, 2x2 and 3x3 home improvement stores (probably with gardening stuff in the latter).
It may be more realistic to have a city full of run-down houses and pointless commercial zoning that has nothing useful in post-apocalyptia, but from a gameplay perspective it's frustrating to have to search three large cities to find a hacksaw or good bag.
The main problem right now is that large cities in game are really quite tiny by real life standards. As we make building selection more real, the difference becomes more apparent.
The answer IMO is twofold. In the very near future, we add "city" biomes, an entire overmap a bit like a megacity in world settings, with much less space between centers and much less forest... About the same water though. We might put certain very large buildings like malls only in these biomes so that we didn't get small towns arising with just a mall and nothing else in the downtown area. This set-up would produce some weird looking mosaic map edges, but it would be good gameplay wise.
In the longer term, I've heard rumblings about integrating land use codes and things so that city layouts generate more or less like real life cities.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 11, 2019, 05:17:33 am
Might be useful to have discrete variants of important buildings (as opposed to different layouts for the same one and in addition to what we sort of already have where certain types of building have a degree of loot pool overlap), with similar but distinct loot pools. So for hardware stores have the little local hardware store one-tiles, 2x2 and 3x3 home improvement stores (probably with gardening stuff in the latter).
It may be more realistic to have a city full of run-down houses and pointless commercial zoning that has nothing useful in post-apocalyptia, but from a gameplay perspective it's frustrating to have to search three large cities to find a hacksaw or good bag.
The main problem right now is that large cities in game are really quite tiny by real life standards. As we make building selection more real, the difference becomes more apparent.
The answer IMO is twofold. In the very near future, we add "city" biomes, an entire overmap a bit like a megacity in world settings, with much less space between centers and much less forest... About the same water though. We might put certain very large buildings like malls only in these biomes so that we didn't get small towns arising with just a mall and nothing else in the downtown area. This set-up would produce some weird looking mosaic map edges, but it would be good gameplay wise.
In the longer term, I've heard rumblings about integrating land use codes and things so that city layouts generate more or less like real life cities.
You can already achieve that sort of effect by messing with your mapgen options -- sufficiently large city size and low enough distance between cities tends to make huge, sprawling cities. Issue is that a lot of the game's dynamics orient around the town/country edge dynamic. A lot of the basic conceits of the game just plain don't work when you're trying to deal with cities big enough to take multiple days to cross. Most of this is down to the constant interruption spam; it's impossible to do more than live hand-to-mouth in cities (as in, actually living in a city rather than venturing into them for stuff) just because you'll spend all your time skipping past noise interrupt spam.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 11, 2019, 08:22:09 am
Post by: ZeroGravitas on March 11, 2019, 08:40:13 am
We might put certain very large buildings like malls only in these biomes so that we didn't get small towns arising with just a mall and nothing else in the downtown area.
but thats america
Post by: kulik on March 11, 2019, 11:31:44 am
Post by: Egan_BW on March 11, 2019, 12:47:52 pm
Post by: AzyWng on March 11, 2019, 01:36:11 pm
I'd like very big cities, but more importantly huge distances between them.
Wouldn't that just leave vast stretches of wilderness with nothing save animals, zombies, and natural terrain features? That doesn't exactly seem like a fun time. You'd be driving, maybe avoiding a bad stretch of road or stopping at a rest stop or whatnot to pick up supplies or investigate, but I can't help but think that would make things boring.
Unless, of course, there were to be small towns or smaller, non-city locations on those roads...
But what exactly about road trips do you like? Having been on a few in my life, I have to say the parts where you're on the road with little to amuse you but the radio and whatever electronics you brought along isn't really my own favorite part.
Post by: Trolldefender99 on March 11, 2019, 03:49:24 pm
Starting off good though. I built a decent sized cabin, which took many game days to build. And a dino came and attacked me in middle of building the walls, and I almost died, but then it got distracted by one of the herbivore dinosaurs and a swarm of wasps. But I found that outrunning dinos is not a thing :P But I setup near a river so I can fish, and I have trees nearby for lumber.
As for the wasps, I went to their hive and set it afire. Now they are crispy wasps.
But its a fun playthrough. Its different than the typical playthrough of cataclysm, and all the dinos everywhere are cool. I did have to edit the dino mod quite a bit. I had to add the dinos to forest/swamp biomes inside the json file. Otherwise nothing spawned barely except trex and the other two carnivores that come with the mod, but barely had any other dinosaurs around. And forest biome wasn't even included in the dino mod, so I had to add that in.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 11, 2019, 05:12:10 pm
I'd like very big cities, but more importantly huge distances between them.
Wouldn't that just leave vast stretches of wilderness with nothing save animals, zombies, and natural terrain features? That doesn't exactly seem like a fun time. You'd be driving, maybe avoiding a bad stretch of road or stopping at a rest stop or whatnot to pick up supplies or investigate, but I can't help but think that would make things boring.
Unless, of course, there were to be small towns or smaller, non-city locations on those roads...
But what exactly about road trips do you like? Having been on a few in my life, I have to say the parts where you're on the road with little to amuse you but the radio and whatever electronics you brought along isn't really my own favorite part.
That's where all these new rural buildings (still mostly in mods) are meant to come in. You should have at least 1-2 cabins/LMOE shelters/barns/farms/boat sheds/bunkers/more exotic stuff/&c. in any given rural map tile. Enough that there's always something that isn't virgin wilderness within an hour's walk or so. Which, honestly, isn't that unrealistic for most of New England. You're only going to see vast expanses of untouched land west of the Appalachians.
Post by: Erk on March 11, 2019, 06:16:45 pm
Roads are something we're aware needs work, I think there are a few ideas for them, but it's all code stuff so it's a bit out of my league.
Post by: Slax on March 11, 2019, 09:59:14 pm
I'm just hoping that I'll run into a big fat military base some day. (Don't tell me if they're already in the game. I like surprises.)
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Post by: Egan_BW on March 11, 2019, 10:02:31 pm
Post by: scriver on March 12, 2019, 01:40:40 am
I'd like very big cities, but more importantly huge distances between them.
Wouldn't that just leave vast stretches of wilderness with nothing save animals, zombies, and natural terrain features? That doesn't exactly seem like a fun time. You'd be driving, maybe avoiding a bad stretch of road or stopping at a rest stop or whatnot to pick up supplies or investigate, but I can't help but think that would make things boring.
Unless, of course, there were to be small towns or smaller, non-city locations on those roads...
But what exactly about road trips do you like? Having been on a few in my life, I have to say the parts where you're on the road with little to amuse you but the radio and whatever electronics you brought along isn't really my own favorite part.
That's where all these new rural buildings (still mostly in mods) are meant to come in. You should have at least 1-2 cabins/LMOE shelters/barns/farms/boat sheds/bunkers/more exotic stuff/&c. in any given rural map tile. Enough that there's always something that isn't virgin wilderness within an hour's walk or so. Which, honestly, isn't that unrealistic for most of New England. You're only going to see vast expanses of untouched land west of the Appalachians.
In every time?
Post by: ollobrains on March 12, 2019, 03:28:46 am
Seriously gimme an appalachia biome though. I like mountains.
mountain biome expansion would be nice (mechanics - content etc)
Post by: Flying Dice on March 12, 2019, 05:24:39 am
I'd like very big cities, but more importantly huge distances between them.
Wouldn't that just leave vast stretches of wilderness with nothing save animals, zombies, and natural terrain features? That doesn't exactly seem like a fun time. You'd be driving, maybe avoiding a bad stretch of road or stopping at a rest stop or whatnot to pick up supplies or investigate, but I can't help but think that would make things boring.
Unless, of course, there were to be small towns or smaller, non-city locations on those roads...
But what exactly about road trips do you like? Having been on a few in my life, I have to say the parts where you're on the road with little to amuse you but the radio and whatever electronics you brought along isn't really my own favorite part.
That's where all these new rural buildings (still mostly in mods) are meant to come in. You should have at least 1-2 cabins/LMOE shelters/barns/farms/boat sheds/bunkers/more exotic stuff/&c. in any given rural map tile. Enough that there's always something that isn't virgin wilderness within an hour's walk or so. Which, honestly, isn't that unrealistic for most of New England. You're only going to see vast expanses of untouched land west of the Appalachians.
In every time?
What do you mean?
Post by: Aseaheru on March 12, 2019, 05:27:03 am
Post by: scriver on March 12, 2019, 05:43:00 am
Unless a "map tile" means a much bigger area than what I'm thinking.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 12, 2019, 06:08:15 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on March 12, 2019, 07:28:20 am
If you mean "in every time period" scriver, post 1700s, yes, there will be shit everywhere in new england.New England and Moctezuma's Revenge: the Telltale Game
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 12, 2019, 08:09:30 am
Post by: kulik on March 12, 2019, 11:08:54 am
I'd like very big cities, but more importantly huge distances between them.
Wouldn't that just leave vast stretches of wilderness with nothing save animals, zombies, and natural terrain features? That doesn't exactly seem like a fun time. You'd be driving, maybe avoiding a bad stretch of road or stopping at a rest stop or whatnot to pick up supplies or investigate, but I can't help but think that would make things boring.
Unless, of course, there were to be small towns or smaller, non-city locations on those roads...
But what exactly about road trips do you like? Having been on a few in my life, I have to say the parts where you're on the road with little to amuse you but the radio and whatever electronics you brought along isn't really my own favorite part.
It probably would. Becoming stranded in between cities would actually force you to use the outdoor survival skills.
Would the road trip be tedious? I'm not sure, let's say the roadtrip would be uneventfull, how long (in real time) would it take you to make let's say three days trip of ingame time? 5 minutes more? Note that motorways could be mostly straight so you don't have to drive curves so often- mostly holding the button and let the time pass.
I like planing for roadtrips, preparing, and unpredicted situations and emergencies. ...and getting lost. Of course not in RL.
Post by: Teneb on March 12, 2019, 11:49:44 am
Xipe-Topec will remember this.If you mean "in every time period" scriver, post 1700s, yes, there will be shit everywhere in new england.New England and Moctezuma's Revenge: the Telltale Game
Post by: Flying Dice on March 12, 2019, 05:14:37 pm
Hehe, no, that was supposed to say "in every tile?". 1-2 buildings in every time sounds very crowded for ruralside.Sorry, was thinking of the 24x24 blocks.
Unless a "map tile" means a much bigger area than what I'm thinking.
Bear in mind that "building" in this sense is meant to also include shit like trailheads, abandoned campsites, caves, individual tiles with anomalies/roadblocks/&c. -- basically any point of interest that isn't just endless swamp/forest/meadow.
Post by: ggamer on March 12, 2019, 06:34:18 pm
also re: the earlier discussion, I think i'll be doing something similiar in 0.d. I like the idea of bigger cities with a lot of space inbetween them, even if it is a little strange not having smaller cities as well. Maybe there could be some worldgen options along those lines? IDK how hard it would be to implement, considering how code illiterate I am, so I'd be interested to see what ya'll thought.
Post by: Erk on March 12, 2019, 10:08:56 pm
Town spacing is something we're working on for main, in a few months you shouldn't need it as a mod.
In other news, tonight I'm probably going to use code mlangsdorf fixed up to make it possible to build an NPC base inside an evacuation shelter. These are the same kinds of bases you can currently build with tents in a field. The code is slowly getting towards making flexible bases (ie. I declare this house my new base, NPCs, start making me a sandwich in the kitchen), but since that's a long way off, hard-coding certain common sites to be a usable start point for a base is a good alternative.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 14, 2019, 07:14:49 am
It's been a minute since i've played, have they fixed the freezing issue in 0.d? that was one of the big omnipresent bugs I hated dealing with... other than some npc stuff nothing really comes to mind, and I think all that's slated for the next release. I liked playing with Pisskop's mod, is that still a thing? did it get merged? any mods anybody swears by for adding fun & flavor? PK, dinosaur/robot and the magic mods were the big ones I liked running with. Any other suggestions?
also re: the earlier discussion, I think i'll be doing something similiar in 0.d. I like the idea of bigger cities with a lot of space inbetween them, even if it is a little strange not having smaller cities as well. Maybe there could be some worldgen options along those lines? IDK how hard it would be to implement, considering how code illiterate I am, so I'd be interested to see what ya'll thought.
There are worldgen options for those, and have been IIRC since before Whales abandoned Cataclysm.
Setting -> Options -> World Defaults. Size of cities increases/decreases city size. City spacing increases/decreases distance between cities. Max the latter at 8, set the former at 10-12, and you get large cities with decent distance between them. Bear in mind that if you make them too big the sprawl can sometimes partially negate the increased spacing.
Post by: Sergius on March 14, 2019, 10:27:38 am
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NERF!!!
- Chickens can no longer fly (#28695)
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Post by: pikachu17 on March 14, 2019, 01:36:42 pm
Post by: Sergius on March 14, 2019, 01:43:20 pm
EDIT: It has been added to the default mod list, which probably isn't the same as being mainlined, but what do I know.
Post by: Darkmere on March 14, 2019, 02:14:16 pm
Well, it seems Aftershock mod has been mainlined and it adds back all the stuff that gets removed for being "unrealisticks".
EDIT: It has been added to the default mod list, which probably isn't the same as being mainlined, but what do I know.
Relevant to my interests! I'll have to try it out soon.
Post by: Erk on March 14, 2019, 02:36:31 pm
It's not getting mainlined ever, but a few of the devs are helping with c++ support for it, so it should be pretty viable.
(Chickens could actually fly, it was making it really hard to build chicken coops)
Post by: ggamer on March 14, 2019, 06:52:52 pm
There are worldgen options for those, and have been IIRC since before Whales abandoned Cataclysm.
Setting -> Options -> World Defaults. Size of cities increases/decreases city size. City spacing increases/decreases distance between cities. Max the latter at 8, set the former at 10-12, and you get large cities with decent distance between them. Bear in mind that if you make them too big the sprawl can sometimes partially negate the increased spacing.
Ah, sorry, I know about that. I meant worldgen options to have different sizes for different cities, I.E. have city class A at 11 have city class B at 4 and... well, I guess that wouldn't work all that well, huh? Better wait for the "megacity" biome, ig.
Post by: Egan_BW on March 14, 2019, 07:27:34 pm
Post by: Akura on March 14, 2019, 08:17:54 pm
Yeah, but it's more of a tall jump than actual flying. Could the chickens actually fly?
Domestic chickens, especially the ones raised in a torture-factory, are generally incapable of flight due to being bred for rapid weight gain and possibly having the tips of their wings clipped. Wild chickens can fly short distances, though. I don't know how post-apocalypse chickens would do.
To be perfectly honest though, I didn't realize anything could actually fly in this game. I figured flying things just moved very fast.
Post by: Erk on March 14, 2019, 08:23:41 pm
Post by: Arcvasti on March 14, 2019, 08:30:32 pm
Post by: Culise on March 14, 2019, 08:43:56 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on March 14, 2019, 08:55:06 pm
There are worldgen options for those, and have been IIRC since before Whales abandoned Cataclysm.
Setting -> Options -> World Defaults. Size of cities increases/decreases city size. City spacing increases/decreases distance between cities. Max the latter at 8, set the former at 10-12, and you get large cities with decent distance between them. Bear in mind that if you make them too big the sprawl can sometimes partially negate the increased spacing.
Ah, sorry, I know about that. I meant worldgen options to have different sizes for different cities, I.E. have city class A at 11 have city class B at 4 and... well, I guess that wouldn't work all that well, huh? Better wait for the "megacity" biome, ig.
Ah. Well, for what it's worth, at size 8-10 I still see a mix of everything from those little hamlets with <20 buildings right up to good-sized cities with, I'unno, somewhere in the mid triple digit range (depending on how you count the larger cities caused by several running together).
Post by: Flying Dice on March 14, 2019, 09:00:28 pm
From what I've read, wild chicken flight is still pretty pathetic. Certainly not enough to jump over 9' obstacles, which is what flight lets you do in cdda.Chickens can reach heights of 8-12 feet and have distance records out into several hundred feet (though most can't manage much more than 40-50 feet). Bear in mind that that's feral/wild chickens and some breeds of domestics that aren't heavily bred for being fat, immobile lumps of meat, and that they don't have clipped wings (as most chickens kept both by commercial industry and private hobbyists/raisers do).
S'not something every chicken can do, but it's well within the realm of plausibility. Saying "chickens can't fly over a 9' obstacle" is like saying "humans can't run a mile in a minute". Technically true for some individuals, but certainly not a hard rule for the whole population.
Post by: Rolan7 on March 14, 2019, 09:02:48 pm
Saying "chickens can't fly over a 9' obstacle" is like saying "humans can't run a mile in a minute". Technically true for some individuals, but certainly not a hard rule for the whole population.Okay I respect the actual point you're making, but the image of someone running 60MPH for a minute made me laugh out loud.
(I used to run cross-country tho so)
Post by: Egan_BW on March 14, 2019, 09:07:03 pm
(Personally I say make a chicken herding minigame and go for it but maybe that's not the kind of thrilling cyberpunk experience you're after~)
Post by: Flying Dice on March 14, 2019, 10:37:30 pm
Yah, was joke. Or supposed to be -- since something eminently possible was being treated as fantastical, I thought it was a funny way to make the point inversely.Saying "chickens can't fly over a 9' obstacle" is like saying "humans can't run a mile in a minute". Technically true for some individuals, but certainly not a hard rule for the whole population.Okay I respect the actual point you're making, but the image of someone running 60MPH for a minute made me laugh out loud.
(I used to run cross-country tho so)
Post by: Erk on March 15, 2019, 12:13:41 am
Post by: Mech#4 on March 15, 2019, 12:42:30 am
Linky link here. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqlte8w154offdv/Mech4%20Monster%20Pack%201.7z?dl=0)
I've included all the monster I've done so far in this 7z pack including two versions of the bat, one large and one small. I'm happy with either one being used so I'll leave it up to you if you don't mind. It also has a modified decayed zombie with a less prominent mouth.
As always any suggestions from you or anyone else here are more than welcome.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 15, 2019, 07:14:42 am
Post by: Slax on March 15, 2019, 08:51:29 am
Why don't we give up on world-scale procedural generation and instead just use a real-world map of new england? :DNo thanks.
Post by: Sergius on March 15, 2019, 10:38:22 am
Aftershock has been added to the "packaged mods" which means it ships with downloads of the game and, relevantly, we are able to make sure stuff we add doesn't conflict with it because the current source code is available.
It's not getting mainlined ever, but a few of the devs are helping with c++ support for it, so it should be pretty viable.
(Chickens could actually fly, it was making it really hard to build chicken coops)
Yeah I misused the term, mainlined is when it becomes the standard game (or at least the Dark Days Ahead core mod), which would defeat the purpose of being the stuff that is getting removed from DDA.
Post by: §k on March 15, 2019, 11:36:09 am
Post by: ggamer on March 15, 2019, 06:48:01 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on March 15, 2019, 08:20:56 pm
Can flying things fly over river now?What do you mean? On the overmap or local maps? On the local scale, they have been able to for a long, long time.
Post by: §k on March 15, 2019, 09:21:03 pm
I still remembered chasing and cornering wild ducks along the river bank.
Post by: ollobrains on March 20, 2019, 11:25:19 pm
I didn't notice that!
I still remembered chasing and cornering wild ducks along the river bank.
flying things can cross water I believe. Arrows and crossbows etc can hit em
Post by: xaritscin on March 21, 2019, 12:46:13 am
i just got bored of having to eat constantly, perhaps i should have invested on saving up my rations and not care as much on that regard?
Post by: IcyTea31 on March 21, 2019, 06:01:21 am
Post by: xaritscin on March 21, 2019, 11:01:48 am
do trees and plants replenish overtime? or i'll have to eventually move on? i got seeds for several plants in that run but seeing that im supposed to wait until the 5th-6th to properly do farming, im not sure if my foodstocks would keep long enough unless i lengthen the time between meals.
EDIT:
speaking of the world, has anyone tried changing to Desert in the options? or is it bugged?
Post by: Il Palazzo on March 21, 2019, 11:19:56 am
Post by: xaritscin on March 21, 2019, 12:04:45 pm
Can't you just get a car and eat roasted roadkill?
they seem too much complicated to use in the early game, going on foot is less cumbersome but i get it. but no, i'd rather hunt with a bow or something else.
Post by: ollobrains on March 22, 2019, 04:45:52 am
Post by: scriver on March 22, 2019, 06:00:00 am
Post by: Sergius on March 22, 2019, 10:27:30 am
If I didn't start at the edge of a town instead of right in the middle of a huge city, I didn't even bother with that save.
Post by: Slax on March 22, 2019, 12:27:57 pm
snipUnfair bordering on impossible most of the time, yeah. Bouncing from bathroom to bathroom in hopes of finding antibiotics that may or may not save you.
Good times.
Post by: n9103 on March 22, 2019, 02:31:59 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 22, 2019, 04:36:31 pm
Post by: Altivera on March 22, 2019, 04:45:10 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 22, 2019, 04:46:50 pm
They changed the default key for menu changing to tab/shift-tab a while back.Thank you, could have sworn I tried Tab earlier though.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 22, 2019, 05:47:34 pm
Post by: ollobrains on March 24, 2019, 07:01:17 am
Post by: Aseaheru on March 24, 2019, 05:04:23 pm
Slings have been moved from "accessories" to "sling", which is strange due to the fact that most guns have space for four accessories, and there are only three accessories, total. Two now that slings arent in their number, which makes it even worse.
Post by: xaritscin on March 24, 2019, 06:01:30 pm
EDIT: Zombie Brute after killing other 2 zombies right past the L hall, seriously? :c
Post by: Aseaheru on March 24, 2019, 06:21:30 pm
Post by: ShinQuickMan on March 24, 2019, 08:48:56 pm
Yup, there's a guaranteed brute in the prison scenario. Starting with a decently high unarmed attack (5+) , some dodge skill, and a good martial arts style is highly recommended.
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 24, 2019, 08:51:28 pm
Speaking of labs, have a thing sent Noctifer's way: https://github.com/Noctifer-de-Mortem/nocts_cata_mod/pull/85 (https://github.com/Noctifer-de-Mortem/nocts_cata_mod/pull/85)
Post by: Sergius on March 24, 2019, 09:15:38 pm
Did a ton of runs of a lab saving before going in, and checking those 2 types of room and it didn't spawn once (rooms are generated when you walk down a set of stairs).
Post by: Sergius on March 24, 2019, 09:16:21 pm
Good luck, beware the moose.
Yell at the moose.
Post by: xaritscin on March 24, 2019, 09:16:50 pm
i like those kind of changes to structures, the labs i saw from videos were well organized at first glance but sometimes i saw the rooms with too much space and everything was kind of all over the place, gotta update if possible.
Post by: pisskop on March 25, 2019, 09:28:17 am
My one true contribution to the game is this.Good luck, beware the moose.
Yell at the moose.
How is the game these days?
Post by: xaritscin on March 25, 2019, 11:51:14 am
im more stoked in seeing what they do with roofs and other Z-level stuff tho. a good amount of buildings got roofed after all, i wonder if we could eventualy be able to make roof gardens.
Post by: ollobrains on March 25, 2019, 11:53:17 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on March 26, 2019, 01:27:05 am
Post by: xaritscin on March 26, 2019, 11:45:03 am
First day? I get utterly fucked within the first hour.
x2
i think the best way to ensure a first day survival is to get a start in a secluded area like being in the wilds or inside a very specific building. not sure if it works for the Hospital or School but i found the Prison to be quite tame in that regard. just have to make sure of using the starting NPC as a cover against the zombies (specially if you get the Brute spawn) and give a berth to the Security Bots while trying to clear up the place. my only complain is in those cases when the Prison has the extra room behind a Metallic Door, you cant get an ID Card or any Hacking equipment there so not sure how the dev team expects the player to open that.
then the only issue is getting out, make your way into the city and find a house with a basement that can actually be blocked off to evade visitors in your sleep.
Post by: Sergius on March 26, 2019, 12:02:01 pm
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I've finally finished my Luxury Armored RV thingy. Not all interior are filled properly - there's a bunch of empty spaces and a lot of random cargo troughs, also the welding rig and forge are in temporary spots, but the kitchen and the eating/sitting area near the front are mostly done. All windows have curtains on them, if I want to drive using only cameras. I know that monsters can see inside if a wall is diagonal, but meh, at least they'll let me sleep.
This thing 100% electric and solar powered, there's still room for more solar panels, it has also several upgraded ones that I found too, tho I haven't reinforced them yet. With 2 large electric motors it's a bit slow off road (around 25 km/h) and simply won't reverse on dirt, which is bollocks because a car reverse gear is basically the lowest gear anyway.
On a road it can safely go 134 km/h.
Post by: Erk on March 28, 2019, 01:42:32 am
the last changelog is pretty interesting. they added almond milk(and other derived stuff from it) apparently, also mainlined some armor/equipment from medieval mods (i think). there's also the lab thing, will probably have to generate a new world in case this was posted today. oh there' also wooden beads and stuff like beaded curtains/doors.Technically the new lab building will generate if you travel into any unexplored area, any newly generated overmap will have it. that might mean venturing pretty far though. When I finish dealing with some irl stuff I'm going to make it more common and remove the lame old lab building.
im more stoked in seeing what they do with roofs and other Z-level stuff tho. a good amount of buildings got roofed after all, i wonder if we could eventualy be able to make roof gardens.
Rooftop gardens will be a thing eventually. For now just having rooftops is nice. Some of them have cool Easter eggs and immersion stuff that I really like, the contributor working on them is doing great stuff.
Unfortunately the experimental is really really experimental right now, because there's such a backup after the 0.D fixes. It might be a few weeks before they're really truly playable. On the other hand the fixes going in are just friggin awesome. Besides what you listed there's also NPCs responding to sounds and investigating, or running away from threats. Some big old problems dying off very suddenly. Partial construction might be in in a few weeks (ie. You make 40% of a pair of cargo pants, then go do something else, then come back and resume it)
Post by: King Zultan on March 28, 2019, 02:08:53 am
Some of them have cool Easter eggsI hope its a H.E.V. suit and a crowbar.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on March 28, 2019, 08:14:09 am
Post by: xaritscin on March 28, 2019, 12:33:28 pm
oh dear....
Post by: Slax on March 28, 2019, 05:48:09 pm
TFW you find a decent basement to occupy and then dont know what to do. i mean, this part of the mega city is just suburbs and forest/swamp so finding ways to quench the hunger and thirst takes time and i dont have many storage left to keep moving, would have to find a bycicle or something. surviving 10 days has been a feat already but there's no map to check on directions so im not sure where to move, was kinda wanting to play some kind of convict converted into nature's protector or some shit like that but there's no labs nearby, i have an ID Card but there's no proper place to get equipment (i have a Glock tho).Could whip up some spike pits. Lure both zombies and creatures there. Lots of food + stuff. Might not even need the gun.
oh dear....
Post by: MrRoboto75 on March 28, 2019, 06:00:41 pm
Post by: Slax on March 28, 2019, 06:30:37 pm
Is there a way to use stairs that's halfway safe? Every time I try a basement I'm getting whacked by something waiting right at the landing.You can peek down stairs. Usually alerts anyone down there and spends some time so not always safe.
Post by: Egan_BW on March 29, 2019, 01:50:55 am
Post by: MrRoboto75 on March 29, 2019, 02:20:05 am
Hmm. I wish that there was a scenario where you're guaranteed to start with a working vehicle. Or maybe one where you've broken down somewhere and get a starting quest to find the parts to fix it.
There's a pro cyclist profession that starts with a folding bike. Maybe the paperboy does too. It even has a basket in the rear to haul stuff.
But that's probably not what you mean by "vehicle".
Post by: pisskop on March 29, 2019, 05:06:50 am
There's also making a customized start locale. Making a new 'house', and calling it 'myhouse' or some other unique identifier will allow you to mix it into neighborhoods and then in the game start files you can specify only that kind of house to start in. Each house style has its own unique id. Then giving it a garage with an undamaged vehicle that spawns 100% of the time will allow you to pick the kind of car. The game will actually spawn new cars everywhere during worldgen, and then damage them as they are specified to be.
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 29, 2019, 10:07:50 am
If you do resume working on yours, things are going to get complicated given I've sent updates to Diss' fork instead...
Post by: duckman on March 29, 2019, 10:00:29 pm
Doesn't that thing still unfold into a normal, non-folding bicycle? Not much room to haul in the wire basket of a bike either, iirc.Hmm. I wish that there was a scenario where you're guaranteed to start with a working vehicle. Or maybe one where you've broken down somewhere and get a starting quest to find the parts to fix it.
There's a pro cyclist profession that starts with a folding bike. Maybe the paperboy does too. It even has a basket in the rear to haul stuff.
But that's probably not what you mean by "vehicle".
Post by: Random_Dragon on March 29, 2019, 10:44:04 pm
(https://i.redd.it/jj45iqozt4p21.png)
Post by: MrRoboto75 on March 29, 2019, 10:59:47 pm
Doesn't that thing still unfold into a normal, non-folding bicycle? Not much room to haul in the wire basket of a bike either, iirc.Hmm. I wish that there was a scenario where you're guaranteed to start with a working vehicle. Or maybe one where you've broken down somewhere and get a starting quest to find the parts to fix it.
There's a pro cyclist profession that starts with a folding bike. Maybe the paperboy does too. It even has a basket in the rear to haul stuff.
But that's probably not what you mean by "vehicle".
You can fold it by 'e'xamining it. That said I'm playing a pro cyclist now and never felt the need to refold the bike. So far also never had issues with storage on the bike either, but its not like I have two backpacks and two duffel bags worth of crap on my person 24/7.
Post by: duckman on March 30, 2019, 12:15:53 am
I guess they added an exception in the code for the folding bicycle at some point. Weird since foldable-light frames have been in the game for quite a while.Doesn't that thing still unfold into a normal, non-folding bicycle? Not much room to haul in the wire basket of a bike either, iirc.Hmm. I wish that there was a scenario where you're guaranteed to start with a working vehicle. Or maybe one where you've broken down somewhere and get a starting quest to find the parts to fix it.
There's a pro cyclist profession that starts with a folding bike. Maybe the paperboy does too. It even has a basket in the rear to haul stuff.
But that's probably not what you mean by "vehicle".
You can fold it by 'e'xamining it. That said I'm playing a pro cyclist now and never felt the need to refold the bike. So far also never had issues with storage on the bike either, but its not like I have two backpacks and two duffel bags worth of crap on my person 24/7.
Post by: King Zultan on March 31, 2019, 06:24:59 am
I don't see why you can't reinforce everything with enough skill, but Kevin decided you can't so you can't.
Post by: Aseaheru on March 31, 2019, 01:11:02 pm
I can see a tag being added for specific items to make them to be unable to be reinforced for reasons(blades, for example), but blanket bans to reinforcing certain materials is daft.
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Also, it amuses me that the main stated reason from Kevin(atleast in the comments) is because bulk, weight, etc arent changed, thus reinforcing must be removed. Reason why they arent making that a thing "because you havent added it!!!"
I dont mean to seem rude or nasty, but if somethings an issue, the way to fix it isint fucking removing it, its fixing the fucking thing.
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 31, 2019, 05:58:52 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 31, 2019, 06:03:08 pm
Seems like it would have been easier to just throw a small % increase in bulk/weight when reinforced.
I like this idea, but I don't think it would work well for say, a sword. You can't exactly weld a piece of metal onto a sword and expect it to perform the same. Maybe just armor?
Post by: NullForceOmega on March 31, 2019, 06:14:43 pm
Edit: okay I can't figure out what the technique I'm talking about is called in common net parlance right now, but it just means using welding tool (or soldering tool) to lay down a pattern, usually a square or triangular grid, on the surface of a tool or piece of equipment which helps decrease wear and reinforce structural integrity. We used to use it all the time on our tools back in Colorado.
Post by: Flying Dice on March 31, 2019, 06:24:45 pm
Pattern welding (intriguingly Google uses an apparently completely different definition for this than is common in construction/ heavy equipment people, gods the internet is so wierd) is a completely viable method of strengthening metal tools and weapons that uses very little metal and is very unlikely to compromise the item's utility.Not to mention that reinforcing, say, a sword? That doesn't need to mean "weld a block of metal to the blade". If the crossguard is a removable piece, it could mean replacing/improving that. It could mean rebinding the hilt with better material. It could even somewhat abstractly represent the notion of regular oiling and sharpening.
Post by: NullForceOmega on March 31, 2019, 06:32:29 pm
Post by: Erk on April 01, 2019, 09:32:04 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 01, 2019, 03:52:35 pm
Something not working as intended usually indicates a bug, this sounds more like a deliberate design change.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 01, 2019, 05:00:19 pm
Nobody's against the idea of reinforcing metal stuff with an actual system that worked as intended. Thing is, nobody was going to add a system like that with a half-assed system for soldering scrap metal onto your car engine for better performance taking its place. Sometimes "good enough" limits contributors.The typical approach by reasonable people is, therefore, to leave the system in place so that there's something while they work on an improved version.
Stripping out content to incentivize people to make a new version just so they can use the system again is a totally back-asswards way of doing things, and frankly is more likely to drive people away. It's the sort of thing someone with no understanding of human psychology or social dynamics would come up with.
Post by: ollobrains on April 01, 2019, 10:33:02 pm
Post by: Erk on April 03, 2019, 12:31:44 am
Post by: ollobrains on April 03, 2019, 01:39:42 am
One of the current core contributors, dpwb, had some really neat basic sailing mechanics underway. I think they've gone by the wayside for now as he's been doing a lot of the recent AI stuff... Which is better IMO but I hope to see the sailing come back some time
all in good time of course. The AI is also important to the base core of the game.
Post by: ollobrains on April 08, 2019, 06:11:29 pm
Post by: Erk on April 09, 2019, 12:55:43 am
I'm in the middle of adding some of the held dialogue for the beggars and refugees in the refugee center. 0.E is definitely shaping up to be the NPC update.
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 09, 2019, 08:23:06 am
Post by: Slax on April 09, 2019, 09:42:54 am
Currently driving around looking for interesting locations.
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Ah well. World save is only 500MB so far. Just gotta keep going and find something safer.
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 09, 2019, 10:22:16 am
Post by: Robsoie on April 09, 2019, 11:54:14 am
So make sure to increase a lot the default setting for this option (in World Defaults) if you wish to find random NPC around, no idea if you can modify the setting on an already created world.
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 09, 2019, 12:06:22 pm
Post by: ollobrains on April 09, 2019, 08:23:13 pm
Not sure about recent versions of cdda , but on the older one i use there's a "NPC Spawn Rate scaling factor" that by default was very very low, meaning i nearly never encountered any random NPC (i only meet static npc in place they are supposed to be) despite having enabled them + the static ones.
So make sure to increase a lot the default setting for this option (in World Defaults) if you wish to find random NPC around, no idea if you can modify the setting on an already created world.
in 0.D up it to 1 or 1.5 you will get the odd npc encounter. So far ive just gotten missions to kill dead npc relative zombies and whatnot.
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 09, 2019, 10:47:39 pm
Post by: scriver on April 09, 2019, 11:56:44 pm
Post by: Slax on April 10, 2019, 06:23:18 am
Anyway. Plenty of water to boil if you're in a town or city. Ovens for safe fires. Keep an empty can in your pocket and you have something to boil in. Close the curtains.
Post by: Rolan7 on April 10, 2019, 10:28:10 am
I do, every day. I drink like five litres of water in the morning.That's... a lot. That much thirst might be a symptom of diabetes. I drink about 2-3 liters per day depending on what I'm eating (food can provide a surprising amount of hydration, or dehydrate of course). I always keep a liter bottle nearby though, most people probably hydrate less than me.
Post by: scriver on April 10, 2019, 11:18:47 am
And while I am likely in the danger zone, I am not yet diabetic, at least not according to blood tests. If one can see that on those. Otherwise I might be. But my legs haven't fallen off yet!
Post by: pikachu17 on April 10, 2019, 02:04:03 pm
Running for your life 24/7 probably makes you burn more energy.Not entirely certain, since I'm not them, but only run if I actually have to escape, not anywhere near 24/7, not even when I'm inside the cities.
Post by: Greiger on April 10, 2019, 04:03:09 pm
We try to conserve our energy. A survivor that's been around awhile probably has a good idea of the threat level of different situations. A survivor in a set of full leather armor and a nailbat is probably going to be walking around casually as long as there isn't anything much more threatening than a few normal zeds 30 tiles away. Even actively fighting them they would probably be very efficient with their positioning and motions and make very few fast motions outside of the actual weapon swings as long as it was not a particularly threatening enemy. I'm not so much saying they would be careless, but more methodical.
It's like a herd of antelope when they see a lion. Anyone who has seen an African nature documentary can see that they don't all run away the moment they see a lion. They may conspicuously begin foraging in a different direction, but only when the lion starts running or gets close is it a big enough threat to start expending energy.
EDIT: I feel I should verify I am talking in city loot runs. The threats outside of cities are uncommon enough that I imagine a survivor would be on edge and expending energy just to be on the safe side.
Post by: Slax on April 10, 2019, 10:49:59 pm
I'm not so much saying they would be careless, but more methodical.Still puts you on edge. Burns more energy.
Running for your life 24/7 was an exaggeration but not by much. Everything is hell. Safety is temporary.
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Post by: Sergius on April 10, 2019, 11:19:05 pm
Okay, will take a look. I'm not super sad about restarting my current bleeding-out near-dead adventure
Try editing worldoptions.json in your save, there's
"RANDOM_NPC","value":"true"
and
"NPC_DENSITY","value":"0.10"
Change the last one to something higher. 1.0 used to be the default, but some people complained it was too much.
Post by: Erk on April 11, 2019, 11:39:54 am
Scriver: thirst is a bit messed up right now, it takes a little while to register after you take a drink. That's going to be fixed soon, it's an unexpected side effect of adding a digestion system.
Post by: scourge728 on April 11, 2019, 01:07:39 pm
Post by: Erk on April 12, 2019, 09:55:38 am
Post by: ollobrains on April 13, 2019, 03:29:52 am
Yeah. Decreasingly sure why you'd want to though, especially static NPCs that mostly just exist to give you quests.
how about a trading system of sorts, just bartering of items to start with but it could have possible gameplay options later on
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 14, 2019, 07:15:13 am
Post by: Cthulhu on April 14, 2019, 09:46:44 am
Post by: Aseaheru on April 14, 2019, 11:58:17 am
Post by: EuchreJack on April 14, 2019, 01:44:50 pm
Even without whatever goal behavior is going to be added, I've found random NPCs to be useful. They distract zombies and often are far louder than I would be, letting me slip by mostly unnoticed.
Plus when they die, I can loot their stuff.
Post by: duckman on April 14, 2019, 03:15:10 pm
Default movement speed had been assumed to be jogging since some point in 0.B Experimental, iirc. That's why running only doubled speed when it was introduced instead of tripling it.Running for your life 24/7 probably makes you burn more energy.Not entirely certain, since I'm not them, but only run if I actually have to escape, not anywhere near 24/7, not even when I'm inside the cities.
Post by: Robsoie on April 14, 2019, 05:32:42 pm
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/24052
From what i read on the description it should make things a lot more difficult then when facing monsters (as they aren't affected by this new stamina malus system) but fortunately the author is also adding a mod that can be enabled to remove all those new stamina penalties.
Post by: zaimoni on April 15, 2019, 02:05:24 am
Eh...I had assumed race-walking.Default movement speed had been assumed to be jogging since some point in 0.B Experimental, iirc. That's why running only doubled speed when it was introduced instead of tripling it.Running for your life 24/7 probably makes you burn more energy.Not entirely certain, since I'm not them, but only run if I actually have to escape, not anywhere near 24/7, not even when I'm inside the cities.
Same speed as jogging, but jogging is well-documented as an intentionally inefficient gait.
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 15, 2019, 07:43:14 am
Post by: Cthulhu on April 17, 2019, 09:04:30 am
Drove past a chicken walker (mod maybe?) and it hit me in the face with a grenade as i was flying by at 60 mph. I died instantly and the car kept going, straight into a forest.
Going with a standard survivor evacuee this time, taking it slow and planning my first foray into town. I see a good angle and we'll see how well it goes if i head in at night and play carefully. All my games have turned into fleeing from massive hordes as soon as I enter a town, but well see I guess. Might go back to mundane until I'm better at surviving the first couple days. Shit like ferals and shocker zombies make it a real mess to try to get out of a bad situation
Post by: scriver on April 17, 2019, 11:49:52 am
Post by: Erk on April 17, 2019, 01:35:08 pm
I finally had time to get a serious playthrough going. I can't believe how fun some of the new things are, roofs are possibly my favourite. I was running from a few zombies, climbed a drainpipe and sprinted across a roof to jump over the other side. The dumb zombies got confused and I lost em.
Little things like that are cool for how the emergent gameplay pops up.
Post by: se5a on April 17, 2019, 02:29:59 pm
I remember them being pretty mediocre, a good bow often being better.
Post by: Gentlefish on April 17, 2019, 02:33:10 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 17, 2019, 04:32:09 pm
Post by: AzyWng on April 17, 2019, 06:49:10 pm
Nah they just nerfed bows into the dirt too.
Nerfed how?
Post by: ollobrains on April 17, 2019, 08:27:03 pm
Nah they just nerfed bows into the dirt too.
Nerfed how?
range and damage
Post by: Erk on April 18, 2019, 04:39:47 pm
Post by: se5a on April 18, 2019, 05:10:40 pm
IIRC that was the issue with making the rifles - particularly sniper) actually useful.
Post by: duckman on April 18, 2019, 11:32:13 pm
Nobody's substantially nerfed bows that I'm aware of. Mostly they have held steady and are considered one of the most OP things in the game, that still hasn't budged and likely won't until it's more difficult to actually learn to make and use them.Kevin did nerf a ton of gunmods last year while calling it "obsolete impossible gunmods". I mean, -1 dispersion definitely makes gunmods pretty much obsolete, so it wasn't technically wrong.
Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if you missed it if it was intentionally called something misleading, but I didn't find any big changes to bows either unless the base code for ranged combat was changed.
Post by: Erk on April 19, 2019, 02:16:21 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 19, 2019, 06:01:22 pm
If anything, the most likely effect is instead that mod-late game archery has a wider variety of options, from the choice between going modern (which can be crafted via books) vs gunning for greatbows as a mutie.
Post by: Slax on April 19, 2019, 07:22:28 pm
Rifles can be unreasonably slow to aim at close range from time to time but that's about it. shouldveusedapistol.jpg
Mods become somewhat pointless at higher skill levels when it comes to range. I dunno. Bit weird but it isn't terrible.
Post by: Cthulhu on April 20, 2019, 01:59:26 pm
Current guy's on day 5, longest I've ever lasted. Found a ranch with only a couple zombies. Giant ants on the road though, will have to find a working vehicle i guess. towns on the starting map are tiny and ive hit all the worthwhile places.
Post by: scriver on April 20, 2019, 03:10:02 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on April 20, 2019, 11:18:59 pm
Post by: scriver on April 21, 2019, 05:53:23 am
Tiny in what way? Like graphics? Or buildings?
In the ways of graphics/tiles. After experimenting with and comparing between tilesets for a bit I think I was just misremembering, though. I think it's the character/zombie sprites in the new default set thay was giving me that impression, they feel a lot more cramped than the ones in the tileset I used to make use of (and many of the static objects assets feel the same size). I've decided to settle on the idea that it is an unfortunate side effect from being more detailed. Not gonna switch back anyway, I want the changeable look feature more.
I mean for all I know it could be a matter of resolutions or other arcane graphics stuff instead, but I'm not savvy enough to make any judgements as to that.
Post by: ollobrains on April 27, 2019, 08:33:42 pm
Made it to day 6 and got cop-botted. Lesson learned. Now playing as a bow hunter evacuee, a cabin in a nice spot near the shelter and a moose at the shelter, so I guess we cabin boys now.bow hunters can also go bush as well if one wants a wilderness approach. So its an interesting gameplay option - just hope that side of things is expanded in future as well
Post by: chaoticag on April 29, 2019, 09:19:28 am
Post by: Erk on April 30, 2019, 11:32:13 am
Well, I got 7433 from little under a year ago and am trying to figure out how much has changed since then. What brought stuff over the threshold to a version 0.D and what stuff had gotten added in the past year?
That's a huge question.
The 0.D threshold was that there were a set number of specific major bugs and features that needed to be added to be called "0.D", defined a while back. When some of the big ones were finished off, a 'feature freeze' was declared and for a few months only bugfix related changes were added to the project. Then when the biggest bugs were squashed, 0.D was released.
As for features in the last year... I've only been around since October and in that time we've had very big changes to map generation, cities in particular becoming more realistic; NPCs, with tons more added and a lot more background to random generated ones, as well as a lot better AI with features like 'run away' and 'investigate noises' making NPCs behave playably intelligent now although still pretty dumb; better Z-levels with roofs on most buildings that you can climb to and take refuge from; tons of useful features like the ability to drag stuff on the ground, zone management that lets you automatically sort items or do most farming in autopilot mode; waaaay more content and more on the way.
For context, I am a pretty active contributor and after missing a week I needed an update on all the things that had happened in one week to NPC dialogue infrastructure so that I could use those changes in my additions. And the update was long. It's actually getting tough to keep up with how fast stuff is getting added.
Post by: Random_Dragon on April 30, 2019, 04:39:40 pm
Post by: ollobrains on April 30, 2019, 06:16:20 pm
Well, I got 7433 from little under a year ago and am trying to figure out how much has changed since then. What brought stuff over the threshold to a version 0.D and what stuff had gotten added in the past year?
That's a huge question.
The 0.D threshold was that there were a set number of specific major bugs and features that needed to be added to be called "0.D", defined a while back. When some of the big ones were finished off, a 'feature freeze' was declared and for a few months only bugfix related changes were added to the project. Then when the biggest bugs were squashed, 0.D was released.
As for features in the last year... I've only been around since October and in that time we've had very big changes to map generation, cities in particular becoming more realistic; NPCs, with tons more added and a lot more background to random generated ones, as well as a lot better AI with features like 'run away' and 'investigate noises' making NPCs behave playably intelligent now although still pretty dumb; better Z-levels with roofs on most buildings that you can climb to and take refuge from; tons of useful features like the ability to drag stuff on the ground, zone management that lets you automatically sort items or do most farming in autopilot mode; waaaay more content and more on the way.
For context, I am a pretty active contributor and after missing a week I needed an update on all the things that had happened in one week to NPC dialogue infrastructure so that I could use those changes in my additions. And the update was long. It's actually getting tough to keep up with how fast stuff is getting added.
this is a good thing as more contributors have stepped up to the plate, reducing kevins insistence on certain thing, or facilitating a quicker development profile towards 0.E ? Ive also noticed a couple of forks getting some dev time seperatley as well.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 30, 2019, 07:46:01 pm
Well, I got 7433 from little under a year ago and am trying to figure out how much has changed since then. What brought stuff over the threshold to a version 0.D and what stuff had gotten added in the past year?
That's a huge question.
The 0.D threshold was that there were a set number of specific major bugs and features that needed to be added to be called "0.D", defined a while back. When some of the big ones were finished off, a 'feature freeze' was declared and for a few months only bugfix related changes were added to the project. Then when the biggest bugs were squashed, 0.D was released.
As for features in the last year... I've only been around since October and in that time we've had very big changes to map generation, cities in particular becoming more realistic; NPCs, with tons more added and a lot more background to random generated ones, as well as a lot better AI with features like 'run away' and 'investigate noises' making NPCs behave playably intelligent now although still pretty dumb; better Z-levels with roofs on most buildings that you can climb to and take refuge from; tons of useful features like the ability to drag stuff on the ground, zone management that lets you automatically sort items or do most farming in autopilot mode; waaaay more content and more on the way.
For context, I am a pretty active contributor and after missing a week I needed an update on all the things that had happened in one week to NPC dialogue infrastructure so that I could use those changes in my additions. And the update was long. It's actually getting tough to keep up with how fast stuff is getting added.
this is a good thing as more contributors have stepped up to the plate, reducing kevins insistence on certain thing, or facilitating a quicker development profile towards 0.E ? Ive also noticed a couple of forks getting some dev time seperatley as well.
Remain cautiously optimistic. He didn't hesitate to find excuses to ban notable contributors who made PRs he didn't like from the git in the past, and I doubt it'll never happen again.
Really the best hope is that someone with time and energy to spare will pick up a fork and stick with it, since that's the only thing that will give us a tolerable up-to-date build/light enough of a fire under the chore-list-as-gameplay clique's collective ass to shit the game up less and make more of the good new content additions that have been trickling along.
Post by: Eschar on May 02, 2019, 06:17:27 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on May 02, 2019, 09:08:51 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on May 03, 2019, 11:47:17 am
Post by: Erk on May 03, 2019, 01:17:00 pm
this is a good thing as more contributors have stepped up to the plate, reducing kevins insistence on certain thing, or facilitating a quicker development profile towards 0.E ? Ive also noticed a couple of forks getting some dev time seperatley as well.It's a very good thing, although it's a bit exhausting. I think you'll find though that the majority of very active contributors tend to share a pretty consistent vision... Kevin and I might disagree on things like whether or not the game should state month-day or season-day dates, but we have a very similar concept of where things are going, and that holds true of a lot of the new folks.
It does mean 0.E is rocketing along pretty quickly. We've already been kind of wondering when we should start thinking about another feature freeze/bugfix/release cycle, although there remain a few big changes to finish first. If i2amroy isn't around anymore maybe I'll make a new thread, since I seem to be the main dev that still posts here and this thread is just going to get more and more out of date.
Post by: Flying Dice on May 03, 2019, 05:06:46 pm
didn't i2amroy have a falling-out with Kevin? I remember some bad blood there and then his activity sorta fell off a cliff.I honestly couldn't say, given that basically every single person even remotely involved with the original DDA project had a falling out with him.
this is a good thing as more contributors have stepped up to the plate, reducing kevins insistence on certain thing, or facilitating a quicker development profile towards 0.E ? Ive also noticed a couple of forks getting some dev time seperatley as well.It's a very good thing, although it's a bit exhausting. I think you'll find though that the majority of very active contributors tend to share a pretty consistent vision... Kevin and I might disagree on things like whether or not the game should state month-day or season-day dates, but we have a very similar concept of where things are going, and that holds true of a lot of the new folks.
It does mean 0.E is rocketing along pretty quickly. We've already been kind of wondering when we should start thinking about another feature freeze/bugfix/release cycle, although there remain a few big changes to finish first. If i2amroy isn't around anymore maybe I'll make a new thread, since I seem to be the main dev that still posts here and this thread is just going to get more and more out of date.
This isn't very reassuring, given that where he seems to want to take the game is both diametrically opposed to what Cataclysm and DDA were conceived as and to what a whole big chunk of the playerbase want.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I suspect trying to start a new thread would not work very well. Most of us still posting here are posting here because we can't stomach kevin's police state pattern of managing all the other active channels of communication. More than that, I'm still holding out hope that one of the other original team leads will find the time and energy to get back into it, either to fork off an active branch for all of us who don't want to play a twisted, diminished chore list, or to provide a saner focal point for development on the main branch.
Not intending to be blunt about it, but a thread run by someone who has blindly defended kevin with little/no knowledge of project history or the reasons why he's disliked and distrusted isn't the best choice for the one concentration of active players that isn't under his thumb. You seem like a decent dude, but this thread remaining wholly independent of the active development team for so long as it's still just kevin and people below kevin is desirable in my book.
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 03, 2019, 06:43:04 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on May 04, 2019, 01:35:18 am
I for one would welcome a thread that'd talk about the actual game and its actual development instead of the constant defrosting of old drama and waxing butthurt over how the thing doesn't look like it 'should'.The subreddit is going to be better for keeping track of development regardless, y'know, because it actually sees regular posts from more than one or two contributors and has an updated changelog (if you're not using the launcher for whatever reason). (https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/) I certainly use it for following development and commentary that won't get me b& for dissenting.
There's also the discord.
I don't think anyone sane uses the official forums because good god is that platform's structure obtuse and ass-backwards. It's as bad as the one Conan Exiles uses.
Obviously I'm not going to disclose who I am over there lest I be banned 4noraisin.
e: It's also not "like it should", it's "like it did for years of development until one guy decided to completely change the direction of design to turn it into a different genre and setting entirely".
And since it doesn't seem to be clear: I don't hate kevin. I don't think he's incompetent or stupid. I think he's a petit George Lucas: capable of putting out an excellent project when surrounded by a team with immense creative talent & vision and the ability & willingness to tell him "No, that's a dumb idea" whenever he has a dumb idea. And then when that team goes away, you get the prequels and the lowkey tyranny going on behind the scenes whenever what he wants to do is questioned.
ee: And on a totally unrelated note, did the advanced movement menu get removed at some point? I'm running on build 8365 and all it seems to have is the basic walk/run toggle. Shame if it did, it was nice having that more precise control over stamina use and speed.
Post by: dpwb on May 05, 2019, 05:46:56 pm
One thing I got coming up shortly is a framework for creatures to carry other creatures. So two entities can exist on the same tile.
What this will allow is a) horseriding , b)animals or monsters or NPCs picking up and carrying incapcitated/unconscious NPCs/players/creatures - for rescue purposes or kidnap purposes.
Work in this area could allow the player to play as, or control NPCs/monsters, as the player entity could exist on same tile as the controlled entity.
I've tried a few different implementations, and I am canvassing opinions on how the riding experience should present itself.
I tried a vehicle-like interface but it was forcing a square peg into a round hole.
I am considering using the new auto-move functionality to make the horse continue moving once prompted a direction, and the " key which would normally change player moving speed, would then set a speed for the horse from stationary to gallop.
Would appreciate any input, I have added a lot of content that does not often need a lot of thought put into UX/UI, this does.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 05, 2019, 05:56:37 pm
However, speaking of animals(and to a lesser extent, NPCs), has any effort been put into animal-powered vehicles and/or the ability to choose professions or scenarios that start you out with vehicles and/or animals? Also, is animal handling intended to be a new skill or tied into existing ones, or even not tied into any skill at all?
Post by: dpwb on May 05, 2019, 06:03:36 pm
I think probably the best method of controlling animals would be to make it as close as possible to vehicular movement, perhaps with some niggles to, for example, account for animal stamina and, well, intelligence. The interface could be whatever, solong as the actual controls for movement where sorta close. Work on semi-intelligent self-control for horses and whatnot might even lead to, for example, NPC control of vehicles, which would be rather awesome.
However, speaking of animals(and to a lesser extent, NPCs), has any effort been put into animal-powered vehicles and/or the ability to choose professions or scenarios that start you out with vehicles and/or animals? Also, is animal handling intended to be a new skill or tied into existing ones, or even not tied into any skill at all?
The system would mean that vehicles ( carts ) could be attached to an animal and dragged, yes, that is one aspect that is definitely wanted.
That was much easier under my "horse-as-vehicle" implementation, but still do-able otherwise.
Starting with an animal with a scenario has been looked into , but is not currently being worked on by anyone as far as I know.
There are plans to make animal handling and taming more involved. a multi-stage process of taming ( think Rimworld perhaps ) where their utility is enhanced with each step - and that would tie into horse-riding. I will probably look at that myself, after this.
The benefit of not making the horse a type of vehicle is that then the movement could be a hybrid of the horses decisions and the human guidance, which is more realistic, the horse could auto-path around obstacles, and possibly, if not well-tamed or obedient, could throw the rider or be difficult to control.
Animal handling dosnt fit into any existing skill, although I suspect Survival skill will be a placeholder for the time being.
There is early nebulous talk of a "proficiency" system, separate from skills. That you either start off knowing or you don't, think lockpicking, surgery, other complex niche knowledge, this could also potentially encompass animal handling in the future - this would then be tied to starting profession ( a farmer would know animal handling, a burglar might know lockpicking etc ) - but it's just talk at the moment.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 05, 2019, 08:43:37 pm
Post by: n9103 on May 05, 2019, 10:19:22 pm
But I also think they should be something that can be invested into, both at creation and during the game.
Post by: Erk on May 05, 2019, 10:41:48 pm
-proficiencies keyed to which skills you took, and
-proficiencies keyed to which stats you chose to put points in.
-bonus proficiencies from scenario, profession, and traits (some of which may be automatically selected as a default).
You could of course learn proficiencies from books, npcs, or from practice. You might also get the option to select proficiencies as you level up your skill, I dunno... I'd want that option to require that you'd come into contact with the proficiency at least a little through reading or skill use.
Proficiencies would be a simple true/false. So, lockpicking would be a proficiency... If you lack it, you can attempt to pick a lock as a mechanics check, but at a severe disadvantage. With it, lockpicking is a basic mechanics check. Sailing would be another proficiency, drawing from the driving skill. Stuff like that.
I think this allows a more detailed skill system while also appreciating the general transferability of most skills, and keeping from having too huge a list of knowledges. It also means a character can start with a wide range of useful proficiencies.
Post by: ollobrains on May 07, 2019, 04:06:40 pm
I think starting proficiencies *should* be tied to starting profession.
But I also think they should be something that can be invested into, both at creation and during the game.
acquiring skills as u go, or bionic implants should also be an option. During the game, reading, acquiring skills and maybe npc party members having skills as well could be an option
Post by: chaoticag on May 07, 2019, 04:48:03 pm
Alternatively the player can just power through skill checks because anything that adds a penalty within the current interation (or at least the last time I played) helped you gain xp.
Not to mention that illiterate characters are going to be hit hard by this but since when have they not been hit hard by anything.
So let's take a bigger picture view of what the problem that proficiencies are meant to solve before we lay out what they ought to look like in game.
1. Over the long term, buying skills during character creation is a less optimal choice than grabbing traits and characteristics like fleet footed or more strength.
2. Currently a profession is a set of starting items and skills but nothing encourages the player to hold onto those items or further those skills.
This gives us a little bit of a disconnect from what the player says their character is and what they want out of their character. So let's say we consider it important for us to encourage that. We might also want to do that in a soft way so that people don't feel punished for not wanting to buy into it.
Now, falling into the routines of the old world sounds pretty comforting to me, so we can decide that some actions related to skills that you chose proficiency in give a slight moreale bonus capped to a fairly low ceiling so as not to be too abused, and these are based off of character creation, or can be taught by npcs, or very rarely during practice or reading. We can also have a trait added in that raises the cap of starting proficiency morale, but not for later acquired proficiencies, and a negative trait that flips starting proficiencies to give negative thoughts instead as they remind you of a world you can't go back to or whatever.
So I think I would rather things go if not this way then in this direction, as a soft support of player expression than a harder ish more limiting factor with a chance of becoming another item in an already long checklist.
Post by: dpwb on May 09, 2019, 10:24:26 am
There are, however, plans to overhaul the skill gain system.
A proficiency that can just be spammed until you gain it, is useless as a concept, yes it could be considered a gating feature, but it also makes player starting choices more important and worthwhile.
For example there are proposals to replace skill gain from attempting things, with scripted training/practice activities, so to take lockpicking - if you don't choose the lockpicking proficiency at char creation, you can't just repeatedly try and pick a lock until you magically gain skill AND the proficiency.
Instead you could say.... find a lock mechanism, take it apart, consult a rare specialist book, spend a long time tinkering with it.
And although elongating the game time spent in the early/mid game could seem artificial and gamey, if it is done with care, and made to seem natural, it could remove a lot of criticism about becoming a demi-god within 2 seasons.
( caveat being I'm not the one pushing for any of these changes personally, I'm just relaying what I've seen the devs who are championing those changes say - and I hope I'm remembering accurately - Erk would know more in this area. )
Post by: scourge728 on May 09, 2019, 11:55:55 am
you can't just repeatedly try and pick a lock until you magically gain skill AND the proficiency.yes, because no one has ever learned how to do something by attempting it over and over until they figure it out
Post by: dpwb on May 09, 2019, 12:44:06 pm
you can't just repeatedly try and pick a lock until you magically gain skill AND the proficiency.yes, because no one has ever learned how to do something by attempting it over and over until they figure it out
Starting from first principles with no instructions, no knowledge of technique or even the right tools to start with, you could practice on a lock for days before you got the "knack"
We could model that in game with an extremely low chance of success, but whats the point? the players got better things to do then take up days trying to learn how to pick locks when they could maybe find a book somewhere or an NPC who can teach it.
This isnt even mentioning more extreme examples like Sailing or Surgery - which would truly be impossible without years of prior knowledge.
The point remains that proficiencies could be a useful thing to stop players knowing everything and becomign demi-gods so early.
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 09, 2019, 02:37:52 pm
- It was pointed out that wraithslayer crossbow can't actually use any of the mods it has slots for, because the code that determines what type of gun a ranged weapon is relies on some weird hardcode that makes wraithslayer neither a rifle nor a crossbow. The alternatives I came up with were either set it to use rifle skill (logical as it's the only magic ranged weapon to handle like a mundane one, and I would've gone with that if not for feedback), or instead give it armor_data to make it have its own integrated sling, and change the recipe accordingly. Went with the latter, as it was pointed out that the other mod slots available (grips, stock) are of questionable use to it.
- Turns out the pierce value is ignored if you use an explicit ranged_damage block to assign a specific custom damage type instead of the cut damage all range weapons deal normally. HOWEVER, turns out that armor_multiplier works for ranged_damage, so I can use that to give armor piercing via a different route, though it won't be reflected in the pierce stat. Wraithslayer is the only weapon where the piercing is supposed to be high enough to outright make mention of, so its description hints at the statblock not reflecting reality.
- At some point Magic Sign: Open Lock broke so damn hard that just trying to view its item description window crashes the game, let alone trying to use it. Cause turned out to be turning it into a comestible so that I wouldn't need to use the weird "pre-activate, wait a turn, then the effect goes off" mechanic I'm normally forced to use to make single-use items single-use. It worked back when I first changed it, but now it doesn't. So back to acting like 90% of magic signs.
- I'm gonna have to eventually update EVERY mod I'm in some way involved with to account for the pending PR changing the default turn length from 6 seconds to 1 second. The bulk of that change seems to be just multiplying recipe time by 6, but effects and active items will also need to be fucked with on a case-by-case basis, based on whether any given duration is meant to be a set number of turns vs a set amount of TIME.
- Also still made little progress on a new mission chain. It's now more or less set up and planned out, I just have to mainly write new missions and mapgen updates. I also need to plan out a bit of the early stages and other filler mission content, as it's planned that the actual "update the place these NPCs are camped at" stuff will involve less "bring me a million nails" shenanigans and more doing tasks that enable them to do the supply-gathering and labor themselves. Later on I'll have to write up additional new NPCs too, as contacting potential allies and bringing in recruits (also opening up additional missions) will be a big part of the mission chain.
Post by: chaoticag on May 09, 2019, 05:21:26 pm
Since I've actually done this, a basic lock can be picked with a bobby pin in under an hour if you know it's possible. Alternatively you can get past just about any lock with a screwdriver and a hammer. Or just a screwdriver if you're on the end with hinges.you can't just repeatedly try and pick a lock until you magically gain skill AND the proficiency.yes, because no one has ever learned how to do something by attempting it over and over until they figure it out
Starting from first principles with no instructions, no knowledge of technique or even the right tools to start with, you could practice on a lock for days before you got the "knack"
Post by: forsaken1111 on May 10, 2019, 06:50:43 am
Or just a sledgehammer.Since I've actually done this, a basic lock can be picked with a bobby pin in under an hour if you know it's possible. Alternatively you can get past just about any lock with a screwdriver and a hammer. Or just a screwdriver if you're on the end with hinges.you can't just repeatedly try and pick a lock until you magically gain skill AND the proficiency.yes, because no one has ever learned how to do something by attempting it over and over until they figure it out
Starting from first principles with no instructions, no knowledge of technique or even the right tools to start with, you could practice on a lock for days before you got the "knack"
I agree in principle. Some things, skills like sewing or lockpicking, can absolutely be learned by 'just trying and failing'. You will eventually hit upon a method that works if you try long enough. Other skills like "computers" I'd say need some guidance or instruction. It is very unlikely you could sit down at a computer, knowing nothing about computers beyond modern background knowledge of what it is, and do anything remotely useful. It's possible, just highly unlikely.
I don't really understand the point of the skills overhaul either. Is the current one not working well? I'm seeing a trend of overhauling systems just for the sake of overhauling. Normally one would do this because of a specific gameplay reason. What gameplay does this skill overhaul add? What fun is being added? Game development should flow from "How can I make this more fun for the player" not "What seems interesting to me, let's overhaul it".
Post by: dpwb on May 10, 2019, 09:19:33 am
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/projects/5
https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/practice-makes-perfect/3509
lol just seen that's 6 years old or so, Kevins had these ideas percolating for ages.
And I just saw this excerpt from that which does acknowledge that yes, some proficiencies could indeed eventually be learned by tinkering, like lockpicking
"Many proficiencies could also be learned from first principles if you have a high enough level in the base skill, eg learning lockpicking by dismantling locks."
ANd others probabyl couldn't , so yeah, it probably does need to be a nuanced scale to various activities.
Post by: n9103 on May 10, 2019, 12:24:52 pm
As said earlier, a lot of characters become Übermensch within a month or two.
Post by: forsaken1111 on May 10, 2019, 03:48:13 pm
Post by: n9103 on May 10, 2019, 04:47:40 pm
I can't give anything concrete beyond when I was actively following the DDA community in general, about a year before 0.C, it seemed like the most common non-bug complaint.
I mean, yes, the most common non-bug complaint now is probably how tedious it's become.
I'd view this as a step away from (or at least not towards) tedium, but still towards increasing gameplay longevity.
Post by: Erk on May 12, 2019, 12:40:48 am
In related other news, we went public with the early version of our design doc!
https://cataclysmdda.org/design-doc/
The design doc is meant to answer common gameplay style and lore questions that contributors might have (beware, if you're not looking to write lore, it is chock full of spoilers). While this is the official document, it's still as much a work in progress as anything in the project is. The scope of what's needed is so broad that everyone working on it has had some difficulty deciding exactly what should go in.
I think even in this initial release, it has a lot of useful information both for those working on the game, and for people curious about plans for it. It will never be a conclusive, be-all end-all reference, and as always the last word is going to belong to the project lead. However, for those looking for a clear idea of "the plan" as it is generally agreed upon by the development team, this is as close to a written version of it as exists, and we've all had a hand in writing it. It is likely to continue to be refined and expanded upon over the next few days.
Post by: anexiledone on May 12, 2019, 05:59:14 pm
Cooking - at 0 skill your meals are bland, you waste time and materials, and because of the waste they aren't as nutritionally filling. These would be "Horrible (Meal name)." As I cook more, and specifically cook that recipe more, I would be less wasteful, it would be cooked properly, and I'd get faster at it
Electronics - Your first crafted electronic devices would be very wasteful, bulky, require frequent repairs, and impact the quality of whatever you're using them for
Survival Tools - Again efficiency. Your crappy smoking rack you threw together because you understand that smoking meat will preserve it sucks. It takes longer to preserve the meat, and sometimes fails to do so before the items expire. It wastes fuel too
Weapons - Poor weapons would be fragile unbalanced and less effective in damage
Armor - More encumbrance, more weight, more volume, less protection, less storage, etc
Etc
You could even turn this into a whole new sub system of crafting skills. You would gain theory from crafting or reading, and you'd gain practical from disassembling higher quality items or using poor quality items
Just a thought. I don't think things need to be gated to improve the skill systems. I think the skill system just needs to have more depth to it
Post by: scourge728 on May 12, 2019, 09:44:03 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on May 12, 2019, 09:54:40 pm
(wood axe means axe meant to cut wood instead of people)
And now "wood" looks meaningless to me.
Post by: ollobrains on May 13, 2019, 03:30:33 am
Sounds like they mean the cutting bit of the wooden wood-axe is wood, which is silly outside Minecraft.
(wood axe means axe meant to cut wood instead of people)
And now "wood" looks meaningless to me.
what type of wood wood lol ?
Post by: scriver on May 13, 2019, 06:04:30 am
Post by: AzyWng on May 13, 2019, 09:49:07 am
I'm still trying to figure out what the doc means by " leading to absurdities like a wooden wood axe." shouldn't a wooden axe be made of wood?
I personally think the doc refers to the fact you can somehow carve the wood and sticks into an axe with only the aid of something that’s also made of wood (though the texture for the crafting table does show metal tools on it that come from seemingly nowhere).
Post by: forsaken1111 on May 13, 2019, 10:31:03 am
I'm still trying to figure out what the doc means by " leading to absurdities like a wooden wood axe." shouldn't a wooden axe be made of wood?A 'wood axe' is a specific type of axe, not meant to imply the axe itself is made of wood. Yes, English is stupid. Yes, I understand you may have been joking. I'm clarifying anyway because I've run into this before in other games with non-native English speakers who thought 'wood axe' meant an axe made of wood.
Incidentally you CAN make an axe analogue out of wood, for some definitions of 'axe'. With bamboo or some types of hardwood there are ways to make an adze out of wood which can fell a tree. Tedious and not very sturdy but workable.
Post by: Mech#4 on May 13, 2019, 11:03:11 am
Post by: scourge728 on May 13, 2019, 01:49:39 pm
I'm still trying to figure out what the doc means by " leading to absurdities like a wooden wood axe." shouldn't a wooden axe be made of wood?A 'wood axe' is a specific type of axe, not meant to imply the axe itself is made of wood. Yes, English is stupid. Yes, I understand you may have been joking. I'm clarifying anyway because I've run into this before in other games with non-native English speakers who thought 'wood axe' meant an axe made of wood.
Incidentally you CAN make an axe analogue out of wood, for some definitions of 'axe'. With bamboo or some types of hardwood there are ways to make an adze out of wood which can fell a tree. Tedious and not very sturdy but workable.
I'm a native English speaker who wasn't joking, I'm just not very familiar with axes
Post by: Erk on May 13, 2019, 03:51:36 pm
I personally think the doc refers to the fact you can somehow carve the wood and sticks into an axe with only the aid of something that’s also made of wood (though the texture for the crafting table does show metal tools on it that come from seemingly nowhere).
Very much this.
Minecraft crafting is a conceptual puzzle game, it's not meant to simulate real crafting. We see a surprising number of people wanting to contribute very minecrafty recipes. "I have silicon and metal, I should be able to make a transistor!" kinda stuff. That's what the line is meant to address.
Post by: dpwb on May 14, 2019, 05:37:09 am
Cataclysm is one of those games that are impossible to think of every scenario by yourself.
Testing is required otherwise there will be bugs like " My horse teleported away from me while a hulk punched a vehicle into me and i was in the middle of reading a book on horseback" or some obscure stuff like that.
Windows exe provided, or you can pull the PR on github.
https://github.com/davidpwbrown/Cataclysm-DDA/releases/tag/v0.1-alpha
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/30459
Post by: ollobrains on May 14, 2019, 03:26:29 pm
I've got a testing "release" of my horse-riding and horse-drawn vehicles PR if anyone wants to take a bash at it and try and break it and tell me how it broke.
Cataclysm is one of those games that are impossible to think of every scenario by yourself.
Testing is required otherwise there will be bugs like " My horse teleported away from me while a hulk punched a vehicle into me and i was in the middle of reading a book on horseback" or some obscure stuff like that.
Windows exe provided, or you can pull the PR on github.
https://github.com/davidpwbrown/Cataclysm-DDA/releases/tag/v0.1-alpha
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/30459
thanks ill take a look and give feedback
Post by: MCreeper on May 21, 2019, 07:17:15 am
Post by: King Zultan on May 21, 2019, 07:39:43 am
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/releases/tag/0.C (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/releases/tag/0.C)
Post by: MCreeper on May 21, 2019, 07:42:59 am
By the way, 7429 (http://www.mediafire.com/file/xhozalb9rwx93bu/cataclysmdda-0.C-7429.rar/file) with some mods and tileset.
Post by: King Zultan on May 21, 2019, 09:36:28 am
Post by: Aseaheru on May 21, 2019, 04:02:24 pm
Post by: ollobrains on May 21, 2019, 04:45:43 pm
So, from all this talky talk it looks like new version are not even worth checking out. And when i went to download o.c, it turned out that all links to download are deleted, along with the site. Probably by Kevin himself. :P So, any place at all i can still download it?
0.D is well worth checking out
Post by: gimlet on May 21, 2019, 08:18:14 pm
Post by: Erk on May 21, 2019, 11:44:47 pm
0.E is trucking along quite fast. I wouldn't be surprised if we hit feature freeze in another month, the rate of contributions are frankly insane right now. Personally I've been busy with work and I'm getting worried I won't get features I wanted finished for 0.D finished by the time 0.E rolls out, it's crazy.
I haven't posted here in a bit, so some of the cool stuff lately:
-lakes! worldgen finally has lakes!
-boats push things out of the way instead of (hilariously) getting sunk by fish. Eventually we want fish to swim under them but this is at least a decent start while water is a single z-level. Boats are ready to mainline as soon as someone gets to it.
-NPCs are getting smarter about using their CBMs
-Minefields got a lot cooler
-Raised bed planters are a thing now
-Dirt, which you get from digging pits as of a few versions ago, is now useful to make earthenworks (along with sandbags) or rammed earth walls
-new factions (the RoboFac is starting, super excited about that)
-new mobs (robot nurses, friend or foe?)
-new vehicles (trains! City buses!)
-new maps and countless improvements to old ones
And that's just a surface scraping of the last two weeks of changelogs. It's been insane.
Post by: duckman on May 22, 2019, 12:36:05 am
All the old versions are still available through github and always will be, and probably circulate in various places on the internet. I don't really know why you'd play 0.C over 0.D, I've played it and it's really not as good.Speed, mostly. The experimentals leading up to 0.D increased the duration of freezing when sleeping every couple of dozen updates until it was an intolerable 10 minutes of freezing if you had the gall to sleep for more than 4 hours at a time.
Post by: n9103 on May 22, 2019, 12:37:19 am
Basically makes the tag system pointless.
I'll let the reader decide what the intent was, but I know what I think of it isn't positive.
Post by: ollobrains on May 22, 2019, 05:54:45 am
... why would someone make a bot that makes hundreds of commits, as often as hourly, and tags every one of them separately (instead of using the commit hash ::))?
Basically makes the tag system pointless.
I'll let the reader decide what the intent was, but I know what I think of it isn't positive.
its merely an organisation and UI thing, the project still moves quite rapidly and bugs and imbalances will probably get addressed later on
Post by: MCreeper on May 22, 2019, 09:26:07 am
If nothing else. As it turned out, even walking around in newer versions with all the mods (the one linked before) takes infuriatingly long time for me, especially if compared to 0.C.All the old versions are still available through github and always will be, and probably circulate in various places on the internet. I don't really know why you'd play 0.C over 0.D, I've played it and it's really not as good.Speed, mostly. The experimentals leading up to 0.D increased the duration of freezing when sleeping every couple of dozen updates until it was an intolerable 10 minutes of freezing if you had the gall to sleep for more than 4 hours at a time.
Post by: Levity on May 22, 2019, 09:43:10 am
Post by: Erk on May 22, 2019, 11:35:02 am
Post by: dpwb on May 23, 2019, 01:28:18 pm
I run on a potato and recently yes, the lag got unbearable, especially in areas where I was hoarding a lot of items, or there were NPCs present
In last 2 weeks there have been a lot of changes to address that.
Items that rot were checking the weather constantly and not caching the results ( as far as I understand it ), and now that is fixed.
This profiling led to further discoveries of various code bits that were not optimized, and further PRs to address it.
Previously in my savegame, when waiting, an hour took around 40 in real life seconds to pass ( with thousands of food items nearby )
Now it takes around 9 seconds.
NPCs AI is being addressed too, its a situation that although the new system will be more complex, it will also be faster due to not being a patchwork of things that NPC AI currently is, where they can get into loops and check if they want to move 20 times a turn.
Crafting time passing is currently needing some optimization too, that slows down hugely, and recent flood-fill crafting component search improved that.
I've not compared current performance to 0.C, though I suspect recently it's not a huge difference.
On current experimental version my dual-core 1.5ghz 4GB RAM little laptop, it runs fine.
Post by: se5a on May 23, 2019, 05:38:08 pm
that was something that irked me a bit, climb down a ladder, see a bunch of hostiles, drop a grenade and boost back up the ladder...
and nothing happens, so you go back down and get blown up by own grenade.
Post by: scriver on May 24, 2019, 04:14:12 am
I've also entered basements to see enemies of different types having already killed each other there.
Post by: dpwb on May 24, 2019, 04:18:16 am
And time will pass there.
So if that grenade thing is happening, you need to enable z-levels in options, this can sometimes require a beefier computer. ( depending if you are walking above an underground ants nest or something and theres 1000 monsters to calculate beneath your z-level )
Post by: Greiger on May 24, 2019, 04:27:29 am
Also hearing about roofs being added to buildings may be enough to give it another try. Even though I knew I didn't have to do it, just knowing that I could overcome most locked up rooms by climbing the walls and just tanking a bit of damage on the other side ruined a bit of immersion. It was just always something that snuck into my head when trying to find a way into a building.
A gun store, hmm. I could try to find a semi functional car and ram into the wall with it to get in, or I could try to find something to cut the bars, or I could find a sledgehammer and smack the wall for an hour or so.... Or I could just climb the damn wall in the alleyway and bandage up a bit after I drop down through the nonexistant roof.
Post by: Flying Dice on May 24, 2019, 08:23:14 am
I admit, I left them off for a long time just because of how buggy and exploitable the implementation was.
Post by: Random_Dragon on May 24, 2019, 04:13:54 pm
I remember there being a very old bug with z-levels where zombies and such could attack you through the floor or ceiling. I assume that bug has been fixed?
Still a problem if you turn debug 3D vision on, but not a bug in z-levels on their own.
What is a known bug with z-levels alone, last I checked, is that flying monsters can magic through roofs that only exist if specified through an entry in the terrain JSON. i.e. if surface level of a building has t_floor, and the building has no explicit roof om_terrain above it, it'll be set to automatically populate the space over that t_floor with its preferred roof (t_flat_roof or t_roof_flat I think, forgot the exact ID), and it'll work but flying monsters will somehow floop through it despite being blocked if the roof was laid out explicitly as a separate om_terrain.
Unrelated: skylights (t_glass_roof) and weird and hacky because the only way to let light in through terrain is with the NO_FLOOR flag, so that means it counts as open air for any monster to fall/fly through (without breaking the glass, mind). Only reason it doesn't also let rain in is because it also has the INDOORS flag.
Post by: Greiger on May 24, 2019, 06:51:30 pm
* Hi NSA I'm on your watchlist again I bet yer tired of seeing me.
Post by: Aseaheru on May 24, 2019, 06:57:04 pm
Post by: Blue_Dwarf on May 25, 2019, 01:02:04 am
* Hi NSA I'm on your watchlist again I bet yer tired of seeing me.That's actually a possibility, because forums like this can be used by people to mask their real activities.
Post by: Erk on May 25, 2019, 01:23:08 pm
Darn so no climbing into a 2 story building with a .50 cal rifle and popping random heads at ground level through a window then*, that always was the biggest thing that hyped me for z levels. Still gunna give the game another go see how it plays out.Keyword there is "yet". This is very much a goal.
* Hi NSA I'm on your watchlist again I bet yer tired of seeing me.
Post by: xaritscin on May 26, 2019, 12:00:59 pm
Post by: xaritscin on June 04, 2019, 05:21:15 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 04, 2019, 06:43:23 pm
I also have some mission chain stuff I might go for...
Post by: dpwb on June 05, 2019, 07:14:23 am
apparently they added mounts and carriages, i mean, you can now ride animals or make vehicles pulled by them (or something like that). latest content has been pretty interesting to be honest, they're adding more flesh to the Magiclysm part, and now there's an Island Prison scenario (since Boats have been basically added to the base game or so), oh and there's also something related to deconstructing ammunition.
Yup, I've added mountable/rideable creatures, and creature-pulled vehicles.
the PR is here for details https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/30459
One of our mappers has changed up the farm spawns so they sometimes spawn horses in barns, so there is an increased chance to find them.
Innawoods characters can now have proper vehicles pulled by horses.
Technically if you add the right flags to the data files, you can ride any monster you want now, or have zombie hulks pulling your luxury carriage.
( though I doubt thatd be allowed in the main game - only mods )
I also mainlined boats mod to main game, so the sail "engines" I added means you can sail around on a lake, to support that I also modified the fishing mechanics to be more realistic so you dont deplete an entire region of its fish population by catching two fish.
Also I added faction ownership and thievery, so you can be caught stealing things in defined areas that dont belong to you.
The game will warn you, but just incase, dont go around taking all the refugee centre loot anymore :)
details in this PR. https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/29834
Post by: MCreeper on June 05, 2019, 07:37:15 am
Post by: dpwb on June 05, 2019, 08:49:49 am
Are bridges still can't be swimmed\sailed under?
Not yet... there is work happening to make ramps and bridges on a higher z-level so boats can go under them, but vehicles going up ramps so part of their structure is on a different z-level is a real pain to implement.
In the meantime, amphibious vehicles going on land to go around the bridge is an annoying workaround.
And Lakes don't have bridges, and rivers often spill out into lakes, so there are more chances to avoid bridges now.
Post by: Erk on June 05, 2019, 11:31:18 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 05, 2019, 11:48:01 am
Post by: scriver on June 05, 2019, 02:16:34 pm
I've also added around 2000 new lines of dialogue and still going strong. So far it's almost all in the refugee center, but I've just about finished the basic dialogue there and then I'm going to move on to some minor factions and random NPCs so that the population of NPCs with something to say begins to expand.
Neat! More npc stuff is my number one cataclysm demand.
How's the tileset going by the way?
Post by: Erk on June 05, 2019, 09:48:48 pm
I usually just burn down the refugee center, those guys are so useless. Are they becoming more useful/interesting?Depends on your definition of useful and interesting I guess. They have many more associated quests, missions, and dialogue, and more on the way. The shopkeeper's got a wider range of stock, and once a few planned features for shops are implemented that'll get better still and improve as you continue to run missions for them.
They're never going to provide you with end game resources or anything like that though. They're just better NPCs.
Neat! More npc stuff is my number one cataclysm demand.
How's the tileset going by the way?
It's on hold for the moment. It's always going to be a backburner thing for me. I have been trying to encourage someone to implement a mod version of it that piggybacks on existing tilesets so it can at least be tested out though.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 06, 2019, 05:49:16 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 06, 2019, 12:13:20 pm
Only problem? I dun goofed and gave Johnathan Sofia's first mission instead of the intended dummy mission. And versions of him in old saves will be stuck citing this mission. Note that to get Johnathan to show up in the first place, you have to have already done Sofia's first three missions.
Post by: Erk on June 06, 2019, 11:49:38 pm
Sounds like I should take a look at them again. Last time I played they were almost useless. They'd give you a few quests, point you to another site and that was it.
Now they give you a few more quests, point you to another site,.sell a bit more stuff, change your hair and beard style, and soon will make nicer bread than you can do yourself. So they're getting a bit more useful.
Post by: xaritscin on June 21, 2019, 02:59:24 pm
oh and that magic mod is getting meaty on each experimental, they even added Necromancy as one of the avaliable schools. have yet to test as im focusing on the Wilderness survival part but gotta raid for one of them magic books one of these days.
the best change so far is that it seems you can now cook clay with nearby fire instead of having to make a whole construction for it. guess the Kiln can be left for some kind of advanced pottery but this change is huge when starting as it takes a long time before getting the materials to start blacksmithing.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 21, 2019, 04:29:17 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 23, 2019, 11:14:03 pm
Evac shelter literally only has a knit hat and and some pants that don't fit. Guess I have a snazzy winter hat now. Immediate area is a second evac to the southwest, a lab to the north, a trail stop to the northeast, and a town to the southeast. Immediate issue is my karate uniform has no pockets.
Head to the trail head first. I get visual of SUV and the toilet cabin, but a mi-go is in the way so next I head over to the lab as I have no sense of self preservation. Sadly I cannot lab myself to death, as the lab is locked. Mi-go is actually still down the road, so I head round back and south to the second evac shelter. There is an emergency blanket and jacket (I didn't bother grabbing), but also a portable stove which I took back to the starting evac. Next I wander over to town. Cthulu dog hangs out in the outskirts and decides he wants to stalk me. He follows me to town but I think the many zombies distract him, but they also distract me a bit too. Wander behind some houses at the edge, naturally all of them are locked. I find one with a picket backyard and a shed, the sliding glass door wasn't locked. It was also home to a zombie necro, which was all things considered a bit of a pickle. Decide to run for it but I'm at like a | of stamina and he's matching my pace.
Just in front of the house though was a bicycle, and it was in perfect condition. Thinking quick I hop on the bike and take off, going deeper into town but at least away from the necro, whom never actually hit me. Upcoming intersection has a handful of zombies so I veer off between buildings, nearly brushing past another undead. Passed by a pool utterly filled with dead but they can't touch me, and I get outta town, albeit at a northeast exit a ways away from where I came in. Decided to go around the long ways and end up at the trail head, which was now unoccupied. Apparently there was a bunch of army corpses there, and since my bike can hold shit for me (still no pockets), I go ahead and loot them. Got me about three MREs, a rifle with one mag, a folded up LAW (what), a clean water bottle, a hydration backpack (a pack that's mostly a big water bottle), and a nice army helmet. The SUV nearby had a bottle jack I went ahead and grabbed because why not.
At this point I need to head back into town for pants of all things, this time with my bike and a makeshift crowbar. I'm wondering if the rocket I found could pop the front doors of the lab but that's probably a dumb idea.
Post by: n9103 on June 24, 2019, 01:18:32 am
a folded up LAW (what)Seems like you know what it is (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M72_LAW), but the folded up part means undeployed/unextended.
Post by: se5a on June 24, 2019, 01:40:23 am
They have a telescopic tube type arrangement, you extend them for firing.
Post by: xaritscin on June 24, 2019, 04:53:02 pm
aaaanyways, i've already updated to the latest experimental, gonna check how it comes out the next time.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 24, 2019, 07:02:01 pm
a folded up LAW (what)Seems like you know what it is (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M72_LAW), but the folded up part means undeployed/unextended.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M72_LAW
They have a telescopic tube type arrangement, you extend them for firing.
Its more the reaction of just finding one on the ground. Also the fact its probably much more a danger to me than whatever I might point it at, and its single use so I better save it for like, forever.
Post by: n9103 on June 24, 2019, 09:04:39 pm
Its more the reaction of just finding one on the ground. Also the fact its probably much more a danger to me than whatever I might point it at, and its single use so I better save it for like, forever.I'm sure the rates have been changed since I played, but I recall it being a semi-common drop for military corpses. Probably one every other occurrence of the group.
Doesn't seem like either the corpse groups, nor the LAWs were common enough to be unusual.
I definitely agree with it probably being a bigger risk to the player than the enemy. At least two deaths from trying to snipe turrets from corners with it back in 0.C :P
I don't know if it can breech the lab doors, but that would be a good use for it.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 24, 2019, 09:25:03 pm
That said, I did use it on the lab's front door. It blew open one of the two doors, and deafened me for like a few hours. It also revealed a turret just inside the lab, which I'm assuming didn't just open fire from all the smoke my rocket made. So much for that.
Post by: xaritscin on June 24, 2019, 09:31:18 pm
Post by: ollobrains on June 25, 2019, 05:12:18 pm
Post by: xaritscin on June 27, 2019, 10:45:22 pm
Magiclysm added some sort of telepoting device that you can build, you still have to learn and cast the spell but yeah. you can now move around bases and important locations. they're also adding auto-travel, albeit its not exactly like Fast Travel, more like automated routes the character takes.
Post by: Erk on June 28, 2019, 01:32:52 am
Post by: n9103 on June 28, 2019, 09:01:56 am
Maintaining multiple camps seems like it could be a lot less tedious.
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 28, 2019, 09:49:59 am
Post by: Eschar on June 28, 2019, 09:53:30 am
So far just for walking, and not really recommended for exploring new turf (nor will it ever be).
Why not?
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 28, 2019, 02:25:05 pm
It might walk you through something you'd rather not walk through, I'd imagineSo far just for walking, and not really recommended for exploring new turf (nor will it ever be).
Why not?
Post by: n9103 on June 28, 2019, 02:52:45 pm
Answer being Player-AI isn't in the scope of the game.
Post by: Lukewarm on June 28, 2019, 06:54:54 pm
Post by: Akura on June 28, 2019, 07:43:08 pm
It might walk you through something you'd rather not walk through, I'd imagineSo far just for walking, and not really recommended for exploring new turf (nor will it ever be).
Why not?
Pretty much number #1 cause of death for me in ADoM, and several other roguelikes - w-<direction> through an unexplored hallway into room filled with quick painful death.
Post by: duckman on June 28, 2019, 08:01:33 pm
discovered today that that i could full butcher on tables rather then having to make a rack or get a rope and a tree or build a rack next to my table, rendering much time retroactively wasted. good eating on a dinosaur. either the wording on full butchery is misleading or i'm just an idiotSomeone decided to change butchery again, I guess. It told me that it couldn't find the corpse after draining my stamina and wasting my time while the body remained untouched at my feet.
Post by: Baffler on June 28, 2019, 08:14:58 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on June 28, 2019, 11:04:59 pm
My last one was going down a stair to find 6 orcs and a priest, followed by being smited by said priest.It might walk you through something you'd rather not walk through, I'd imagineSo far just for walking, and not really recommended for exploring new turf (nor will it ever be).
Why not?
Pretty much number #1 cause of death for me in ADoM, and several other roguelikes - w-<direction> through an unexplored hallway into room filled with quick painful death.
Post by: dpwb on June 29, 2019, 07:13:37 am
There is work on a vehicle based autopilot as well, far in future
Not so far in the future, I've almost finished it.
It's pretty dumb, it freaks out and stops at the merest hint of an obstacle in the road, is restricted to roads, and very long deathmobiles may cause it to get confused and smash into trees when it tries to turn a corner.
But.... for a first pass dumb autodrive feature, it still has utility in a scenario like.... say you got a long route from your base to a town via the roads, and you know the roads are clear of obstacles, instead of constantly driving back and forth , you could engage the auto-drive.
It just be a bit risky and experimental for the time being..... but it still has a use-case.
Post by: dpwb on June 29, 2019, 07:15:18 am
Safe mode would probably save you from anything overtly threatening like zombies or whatnot. I'm not sure if I'd trust it to keep an eye out for things like hunger, thirst, and temperature though.
It respects safe mode interruptions like other activities.
So .. if things like temperature hunger or tiredness or whatever interrupt any other activity, itll also prompt to stop the activity of travelling, same for spotting monsters..
It's fairly safe... but ya never know, this is Cataclysm , it *will* throw unexpected crap at any new thing you implement.
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 29, 2019, 02:06:45 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 29, 2019, 10:57:08 pm
Post by: Gentlefish on June 30, 2019, 01:56:28 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on June 30, 2019, 06:22:39 pm
Heh. Nightvision is almost a must-have for all my non-challenge builds.
For night raids admittedly, shady zombies will still see you well before you see them, making Night Vision more for convenience in my opinion.
The secret to day raids is largely to circle around the edge of the city, not piercing too deep until you're reasonably confident that everything nearby has been dealt with. That keeps the between you and the horde, reducing how many are liable to spot you, and when you see down the street almost everything there will be too far away to see you anyway.
If you do attract something you can't handle, you have options. You can cut through a house you've already cleared to bog them down and break line of sight, or you can back right off from the city directly. If there's nothing but open fields at the city's edge then you can easily leg it until your followers are too far away and start dispersing, but cutting into forest/swamp/etc is more likely to stop faster threats from chasing you down. The catch there is that anything in there already is almost as likely to catch you off-guard as indoor enemies, though that's still useful if you can bait your pursuers into fighting them.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 01, 2019, 07:31:12 am
Post by: jocan2003 on July 01, 2019, 09:06:11 am
Post by: xaritscin on July 01, 2019, 11:10:44 am
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 01, 2019, 01:08:23 pm
that's part of the challenge (specially if you're starting inside and its megacity map). but yeah, you're supposed to approach carefully, perhaps bait some of them at a time until you clear the path.
You're saying in order to survive, I have to become a master baiter?
Post by: Gentlefish on July 01, 2019, 03:22:40 pm
I tend to set house on fire way too often...
Setting a house on fire is a good strategy too. The noise attracts the Z's who then get cremated.
Post by: deoloth on July 02, 2019, 10:42:11 am
I walked outside my room, killed the zombie brute that was there, then the wall exploded and I got killed by a giant naked molerat.
Well then.
Post by: duckman on July 05, 2019, 11:22:05 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 05, 2019, 11:40:21 am
I guess someone decided that they didn't like that stone spears could be crafted and obsoleted the recipe.
You sure it isn't just because stone spears have basically always been in More Survival Tools? You might've just forgot to add it to your worldlist...
Post by: xaritscin on July 05, 2019, 12:41:26 pm
I guess someone decided that they didn't like that stone spears could be crafted and obsoleted the recipe.
You sure it isn't just because stone spears have basically always been in More Survival Tools? You might've just forgot to add it to your worldlist...
just from memory of latest patches and the item browser. the Stone Spear was obseleted apparently, and there doesnt seem to be included in the More Survival Tools. players now have a Wooden Spear which is more than enough to last until you get to metals.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 05, 2019, 02:42:51 pm
EDIT: No, it's in vanilla now. Maybe the recipe has been made higher-level?
Post by: duckman on July 05, 2019, 03:22:14 pm
Why must people go breaking my old mods all the time... ;~;
EDIT: No, it's in vanilla now. Maybe the recipe has been made higher-level?
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{ "type": "recipe", "result": "spear_stone", "obsolete": true }Changing true to false adds a recipe that uses no materials, since the only instance of the recipe in the code is now this stripped down "In need of revision/review" version. The stone spear itself still exists, but you can only get it by choosing a starting profession that has one or by debugging it in.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 05, 2019, 03:41:41 pm
And it's not like they couldn't have just upped the skill requirement, or even made it booklearn-only if they were really that hellbent on making it inaccessible. I'd hope that maybe it'll be re-added if they ever separate rocks into knappable vs. non-knappable, but I have my doubts.
Post by: duckman on July 05, 2019, 04:31:38 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 05, 2019, 04:59:23 pm
They seem to be in a phase of re-simplifying things after all those complicating realism changes. I mean, someone proposed diversifying the types of meat a few days ago and Kevin said it sounded unnecessarily complicated. I recall them saying something similar about advanced nutrition, so I expect more meat and the division of insect meat into its own thing at some point in the next two years when Kevin flops back over to thinking that more variety is needed.
I thought the meme was that realism and complexity get Kevin interested when it screws with the player. More meat variety is just busywork for the contributors that doesn't do anything except add flavor to the game, especially as the nutritional variation of meat is rather less interesting than how plant food sources vary.
Cut to guns being varied as all hell, which some people cite as an example of the meme but mostly gets support because gun nerfs like me like to see all sorts of fun crazy firearms represented, with any "shit I found all this ammo and nothing I can use" being a common side effect rather than a deliberate way to screw with the player.
Post by: n9103 on July 05, 2019, 05:03:43 pm
Oh wow. That's, er...pretty stupid. Totally makes sense that flintknapping would be completely impossible for humans. It's not like humans haven't been flintknapping for a stupidly long time.To be fair, stone edges in a world of readily accessible processed iron, are completely pointless. Even a crudely shaped and sharpened scrap of steel will be better for spear related purposes than anything stone. (The only exception I can come up with is if the only thing you have available is some ultra-brittle alloy that's simply too high on the hardness scale to be sharpened, which is pretty out there.)
Yes, it would mildly hamper a survivor that not only is determined to be entirely woods-based, but also starts no where near any urban structure. Considering how many other things such a situation would cut off, while not being entirely invalid, it does seems a very niche and inconsequential situation to increase complexity over.
I do hope that the devs don't go extreme in either the simplification or complication side of things, but this one seems entirely benign.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 05, 2019, 05:14:53 pm
The halfpike comes close, it's more like a makeshift version of a socketed spear, with all the skill demands this implies. But it also suffers from having the word "pike" in its name and therefore being even shittier than normal spears, to the point where its main competitor is the WOODEN spear, not the steel spear.
Post by: xaritscin on July 06, 2019, 11:14:29 am
Post by: pikachu17 on July 07, 2019, 02:56:38 pm
Problem is we don't have any metal spears that fill this niche in terms of gameplay. The knife spear USED to be this, but it got nerfed to hell and back and it's now solidly the "some moron taped a spike to a stick" design that no sane person would make. We don't have anything comparable to a properly-made hafted spear, which would realistically require basically the knife spear's current requirements plus access to cutting quality and a level or two extra skill.Are pikes just automatically bad in C:DDA?
The halfpike comes close, it's more like a makeshift version of a socketed spear, with all the skill demands this implies. But it also suffers from having the word "pike" in its name and therefore being even shittier than normal spears, to the point where its main competitor is the WOODEN spear, not the steel spear.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 07, 2019, 05:01:59 pm
Are pikes just automatically bad in C:DDA?
Preeetty much, yeah.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 07, 2019, 06:20:42 pm
Post by: duckman on July 08, 2019, 04:19:34 am
Post by: catacombs on July 08, 2019, 04:44:41 pm
Boy, is this game hard or what. Each time I play, I'm often dead within a day or so, and this is after creating a character that, at least to me, seems like he can survive for a while.
Post by: ollobrains on July 08, 2019, 08:24:46 pm
Post by: catacombs on July 09, 2019, 10:40:33 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on July 09, 2019, 12:36:57 pm
Post by: n9103 on July 09, 2019, 01:38:27 pm
Post by: xaritscin on July 09, 2019, 07:47:39 pm
Post by: dpwb on July 10, 2019, 01:02:49 pm
I added the vehicle autodrive feature, so you can reduce the tedium of long car journeys.
Works like the player autotravel thing, select a destination on the overmap, and then itll drive you there.
Dont 100% trust it, I've had it freak out and drive my loot-mobile directly into a river once, but it's 99% there, just a bit... experimental lol
Also added other stuffs like Vehicle faction ownership, so factions can have vehicles in their maps defined as owned by them , and if you try and steal them, theyll get angry.
Made Dynamic NPCs travel across the overmap, even outside the reality bubble, and they dont walk across rivers and lakes anymore.
Added nets and bolas to entangle creatures and NPCs.
Working on more NPC activities like farming and a new Biker Gang faction hiding out in a junkyard currently.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 12, 2019, 10:03:12 am
new Biker Gang faction hiding out in a junkyard currently.
Please tell me meth bike and the general "screw the world, we're having the time of our lives" ideas made it in. :>
Meanwhile, I finally merged the arcana update I was working on, Jonathan now has some basic missions you can pursue, the third of which has much potential for !!FUN!! if tackled carelessly. And now as a bit of belated to-do I'm overhauling some currency and merch stuff. The Cleansing Flame holdout will soon have their own currency based off an idea I've rolled with in some writing before, and the correct currency will see.
It's gonna look a bit weird compared to Robofac's obscenely-expensive gold coins, but the two currencies operate on different logic. The Robofac stuff seems to be designed for trade with the outside world and uses sane real-world values for its pricing.
The Cleansing Flame stuff is instead based on the idea I had of the order setting aside measured amounts of precious metals of verified purity and weight, for crafting or repairing magical items. This makes it basically improvised currency, and the values used are derived from scrap gold's in-game value. Even though the pre-cataclysm price is hilariously low (silver is even more screwy), this produces a number that's much more usable for trade than the 9 Benjamins each Robofac coin is valued at.
Post by: dpwb on July 13, 2019, 08:39:40 am
new Biker Gang faction hiding out in a junkyard currently.
Please tell me meth bike and the general "screw the world, we're having the time of our lives" ideas made it in. :>
Yes, they just wanna get high and ride their bikes.
Post by: scriver on July 14, 2019, 07:04:04 am
Post by: duckman on July 14, 2019, 07:38:59 am
Is it just me or has the unstable version been unusually unstable lately? I rarely can play even 15-20 minutes without it crashing.Has it gotten worse in the last 10 days? My version is from the 4th and anything from holding move commands too long while riding a horse to standing next to a tall building full of zombies has caused crashes.
Post by: dpwb on July 14, 2019, 12:36:09 pm
And in recent weeks, hardly any crashes.
Interested in that horse crash though, would it be possible for you to do a bug report on the github?
Post by: duckman on July 14, 2019, 02:31:08 pm
Ive been playing the recent master fresh off the git for hours. and no crashes at all for me.I'm pretty sure it isn't the horses. Rapid inputs seemed to be the cause when those particular crashes happened, with the higher speed of horses acting as a multiplier rather than being the primary cause of it.
And in recent weeks, hardly any crashes.
Interested in that horse crash though, would it be possible for you to do a bug report on the github?
Edit: Has anyone looked at the "Deal with Informant" mission for the Old Guards recently? It doesn't teleport the broker outside anymore, but all the guards in the storeroom and the refugees are. The hunter and informant are still where they're supposed to be, but once the informant is dead, the storeroom is completely unguarded. That doesn't actually change that much about the storeroom since the guards can't actually see half of what's in there to begin with*, but the refugees getting stuck outside is slightly inconvenient.
Edit2: Looks like the ranch doesn't like being rotated 90 degrees either.
*Who swapped out the display racks with utility shelves? Now that theft is a thing, the guards NEED to be able to see what they're supposed to be guarding.
Post by: Erk on July 19, 2019, 04:40:18 pm
Can you post a screen of what's happening with your teleporting npcs? I don't see any reason the update_mapgen call should be moving them outside; in fact, it's a constant irritation that I *can't* move NPCs with update_mapgen.
Post by: Random_Dragon on July 19, 2019, 05:52:39 pm
The racks were swapped for utility shelves many moons before theft was a thing. Really though I should have made utility shelves transparent, even really cluttered utility shelves are generally something you can see through.
Can you post a screen of what's happening with your teleporting npcs? I don't see any reason the update_mapgen call should be moving them outside; in fact, it's a constant irritation that I *can't* move NPCs with update_mapgen.
I can confirm that the latter absolutely happens: anytime you ping update_mapgen or call nested chunk stuff for a location capable of rotating, every NPC in the affecred om_terrain gets yeeted a given distance away. ONLY use update_mapgen or deploy chunks with non-rotating specials.
This is 100% exactly why the Cleansing Flame holdout is non-rotating, I found that out while trying to add the first construction at the end of the first mission.
Post by: duckman on July 20, 2019, 09:53:54 am
The racks were swapped for utility shelves many moons before theft was a thing. Really though I should have made utility shelves transparent, even really cluttered utility shelves are generally something you can see through.It only happens when it's rotated like Random_Dragon said.
Can you post a screen of what's happening with your teleporting npcs? I don't see any reason the update_mapgen call should be moving them outside; in fact, it's a constant irritation that I *can't* move NPCs with update_mapgen.
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Post by: ollobrains on July 21, 2019, 12:04:59 am
Post by: Jejune on July 21, 2019, 09:48:53 am
Ended up finishing the cabin which took two weeks while slowly grinding through the meat stocks but died to a grim howler when I went out looking for a source of metal/ nails/ rags. I'm really bummed that high levels of construction don't let you skip nails with some fancy joinery instead. The japs did it and it worked fine for them.
Post by: catacombs on July 21, 2019, 11:25:25 am
Ended up finishing the cabin which took two weeks
I didn't know you can build actual houses in the game. How did you do it?
Post by: duckman on July 21, 2019, 01:09:03 pm
The construction menu can be opened with the "*" key. They merged the actual construction skill with fabrication a while ago, so they probably need to do something to make that a bit more obvious now.Ended up finishing the cabin which took two weeks
I didn't know you can build actual houses in the game. How did you do it?
Post by: Jejune on July 21, 2019, 03:09:19 pm
What the other guy said, using the * menu. I also built all the kilns and smokers that way because the & menu recipies needed metal tanks which I couldn't get. The * menu kilns and stuff just needed rocks and withered plants and sticks.Ended up finishing the cabin which took two weeks
I didn't know you can build actual houses in the game. How did you do it?
I started as a lumberjack so I had a wood axe that I could use to chop down trees and then process those trees into logs for rustic log walls and a log roof. It wasn't a very big cabin maybe 5x4? More of a hut really but construction takes a loooong time. Building a full sized house probably would have taken a year.
The butchers rack and table was the biggest thing I had made. Without that I wouldn't have been able to butcher the moose and I would have gotten like, 50 chunks instead of over 200.
Post by: catacombs on July 21, 2019, 08:24:21 pm
What the other guy said, using the * menu. I also built all the kilns and smokers that way because the & menu recipies needed metal tanks which I couldn't get. The * menu kilns and stuff just needed rocks and withered plants and sticks.Ended up finishing the cabin which took two weeks
I didn't know you can build actual houses in the game. How did you do it?
I started as a lumberjack so I had a wood axe that I could use to chop down trees and then process those trees into logs for rustic log walls and a log roof. It wasn't a very big cabin maybe 5x4? More of a hut really but construction takes a loooong time. Building a full sized house probably would have taken a year.
The butchers rack and table was the biggest thing I had made. Without that I wouldn't have been able to butcher the moose and I would have gotten like, 50 chunks instead of over 200.
Thanks for the construction. I didn't know * was even an option. I'd be curious to see how a lumberjack start would play.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 21, 2019, 08:32:20 pm
Post by: dpwb on July 23, 2019, 06:42:28 am
In the Zone Manager ( "Y" key ) , specify blueprint construction zones, to designate a line of walls or something.
Then have the components within a few tiles of the desired construction area.
Then press Shift+O to do a zone activity for construction, or tell your NPCs to do it for you.
And you ( or they ) will automatically move from blueprint to blueprint constructing everything that can be constructed.
I built a log cabin this way, and although getting the materials for this was still tedious, the construction itself was done in 5 real-life minutes, wheras before it woulda been very annoying.
Post by: scriver on July 23, 2019, 03:11:32 pm
Post by: ollobrains on July 24, 2019, 09:15:29 pm
I've slowly began noticing that it seems all NPCs (well, at least all randomly generated ones) are going commando.
Less material to harvest.
Post by: scriver on July 25, 2019, 06:16:32 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on July 29, 2019, 02:58:44 pm
Most clothing is made out of biodegradable material. Without people taking care of it, the great majority of clothes are going to rot away, and even of the stuff people are taking care of, conventional wear and a lack of modern washing techniques are going to quickly result in unusable clothes. Being able to process cloth and use it to make new clothing is super important, especially in an environment where exposure is a serious concern (read: almost everywhere on Earth depending the season).
Of course, most doomsday preppers do not have this skill, because honestly, who thinks of tailors in the apocalypse?
Post by: ollobrains on July 29, 2019, 06:18:04 pm
Post by: Rince Wind on July 30, 2019, 03:12:46 am
Post by: ollobrains on July 30, 2019, 04:58:20 am
Post by: Flying Dice on July 30, 2019, 07:06:15 am
Even in rural areas the vast majority of people can't spin wool.It's not exactly rocket science. A drop spindle is dead-simple tech, and as long as you know to wash and card the wool everything else could be figured out by trial and error relatively quickly.
This has always fascinated me about certain segments of the DDA community, the insistence that it's completely impossible for modern people to re-figure out the same ideas our ancestors developed. Doubly so for things where tools and book explanations of the processes exist.
It's like saying that it shouldn't be possible to bake bread because "the vast majority of people don't bake bread". Yeah, and I know folks who went from not baking bread to baking excellent bread in about ten baking sessions by starting with a book and experimenting with ratios.
Post by: Rince Wind on July 30, 2019, 08:10:50 am
in rural areas livestock (which seem missing in DDA) such as sheep and goats would be a source of wool, and most rural areas would have wool spinning techniques (would tie in with farming) but a zombie sheep or goat or cow could be interesting
I was commenting on this, I didn't say it was difficult impossible to learn.
I'd even say that knitting and other tailoring techniques are probably more common in cities, where students and others pretty often take it up as a hobby.
Post by: xaritscin on July 30, 2019, 01:02:32 pm
cant say im mad, this makes it possible for me to return to the game and try my naked survival in the woods with the latest experimentals.
Post by: ollobrains on July 31, 2019, 04:19:45 am
according to the news in reddit, the starting date will be moved to 30 days into Spring. its kind of a double move apparently as in you will have an ease of setting up thanks to not getting freezing temperatures but at the same time you are more or less close to half season so have to compensate for those missing 30 days before Winter because they seem to be wanting to make it really hard now that they aren't constrained by the player start.
cant say im mad, this makes it possible for me to return to the game and try my naked survival in the woods with the latest experimentals.
the option to select our starting date, more points for winter perhaps and less for spring ?
Post by: Kaitol on August 01, 2019, 04:07:26 pm
Hilariously, clothing is a surprisingly important consideration in a real apocalypse scenario.
Most clothing is made out of biodegradable material. Without people taking care of it, the great majority of clothes are going to rot away, and even of the stuff people are taking care of, conventional wear and a lack of modern washing techniques are going to quickly result in unusable clothes. Being able to process cloth and use it to make new clothing is super important, especially in an environment where exposure is a serious concern (read: almost everywhere on Earth depending the season).
Of course, most doomsday preppers do not have this skill, because honestly, who thinks of tailors in the apocalypse?
Modern washing techniques aren't actually good for clothing, machine dryers and washers, bleach, detergent, dry cleaning, all these things actually damage most clothing and wear it out much more quickly. We use them because hand washing and drying is a giant pain in the goddamn ass and takes forever, and because they make our clothes look nice. Well made, good quality, properly cared for clothing will actually last way longer than this game really needs to account for.
Post by: duckman on August 01, 2019, 04:26:30 pm
We have winter starts already, so it all depends on whether Kevin sees it as necessary. He has the strangest moments where he seems to lack the vision/motivation to approve features. Like when he stonewalled shields pretty much purely out of spite or when he said that advanced nutrition was pointless and then approved it because someone else was willing to do most of the legwork for him.according to the news in reddit, the starting date will be moved to 30 days into Spring. its kind of a double move apparently as in you will have an ease of setting up thanks to not getting freezing temperatures but at the same time you are more or less close to half season so have to compensate for those missing 30 days before Winter because they seem to be wanting to make it really hard now that they aren't constrained by the player start.
cant say im mad, this makes it possible for me to return to the game and try my naked survival in the woods with the latest experimentals.
the option to select our starting date, more points for winter perhaps and less for spring ?
Post by: Flying Dice on August 01, 2019, 04:44:42 pm
Hilariously, clothing is a surprisingly important consideration in a real apocalypse scenario.
Most clothing is made out of biodegradable material. Without people taking care of it, the great majority of clothes are going to rot away, and even of the stuff people are taking care of, conventional wear and a lack of modern washing techniques are going to quickly result in unusable clothes. Being able to process cloth and use it to make new clothing is super important, especially in an environment where exposure is a serious concern (read: almost everywhere on Earth depending the season).
Of course, most doomsday preppers do not have this skill, because honestly, who thinks of tailors in the apocalypse?
Modern washing techniques aren't actually good for clothing, machine dryers and washers, bleach, detergent, dry cleaning, all these things actually damage most clothing and wear it out much more quickly. We use them because hand washing and drying is a giant pain in the goddamn ass and takes forever, and because they make our clothes look nice. Well made, good quality, properly cared for clothing will actually last way longer than this game really needs to account for.
^^^
And lord, don't get started on shoes. If you have a half-decent cobbler and materials, you can wear the "same" pair of shoes for most of your adult life.
Post by: scourge728 on August 01, 2019, 04:54:15 pm
Post by: scriver on August 01, 2019, 07:17:10 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on August 01, 2019, 07:31:18 pm
That all said, that would make for an interesting quest line, getting stuff for a settlement that wants a cobbler and/or tailor.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 01, 2019, 09:11:54 pm
there's like 6 cobblers left in the entire world tho...Again, these are not skills that require substantial infrastructure or post-industrial technology to re-learn. If you're not falling back on pure manual labor subsistence farming for food, you're going to have big chunks of empty time and plenty of moderate-complexity tasks that need doing.
In some parts of the world these sorts of skills are still in active demand. In others, they're just barely outside of living memory. Granted, there are going to be some incompetent idiots that can't survive without Amazon and their smartphone, but by and large people are resourceful and quick to learn when pressed by basic needs. To use the current example, the basics of "shoe" require: a sinew or fiber of some type, a flexible but tough paneling material, and that's all. If you want to get truly basic you can make simple foot-wraps out of leaves, bark, or raw hide stitched or bound together with plant fiber -- and the discomfort of those provides an obvious impetus to, in the vernacular, git gud.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 01, 2019, 09:57:48 pm
Spoiler: Semi-snark (click to show/hide)
In other news, who else here thinks boats are still borked?
Post by: scriver on August 03, 2019, 06:39:13 am
Post by: King Zultan on August 03, 2019, 07:15:30 am
Post by: AzyWng on August 03, 2019, 08:28:15 am
there are going to be some incompetent idiots that can't survive without Amazon and their smartphone
I'm in this post and I don't like it
A cool thing just go merged Mech suits (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/32409) apparently they're really rare and function similarly to the power armour in fallout in the way that you need a rare battery to uses them, they are currently unrepairable but that is supposedly going to be changed soon.
I wonder if mech suit zombies (or some other kind of monster controlling a mech suit) would be possible...
Post by: Rince Wind on August 03, 2019, 11:38:00 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 03, 2019, 06:14:42 pm
Post by: dpwb on August 04, 2019, 12:06:49 pm
Repairing them - definitely yes - I made the choice not to use the vehicle system for this, and instead use the riding system, if the idea of modifying them / repairing them sprawls too much, it may be best to use the vehicle system instead. though with a different movement system to the way vehicles move.
Monsters controlling them - possibly yes, the riding system could be fairly easily expanded to allow all creatures to ride other creatures, and finding a zombified mechpilot bashing random controls and making it fire its gun randomly is possible.
I've also left the door open for the mechs to be partially remote controlled or act independently in a limited way, to follow you as a packmule maybe and so on, that could be added on later.
Post by: xaritscin on August 06, 2019, 06:33:39 pm
Post by: scourge728 on August 06, 2019, 09:16:47 pm
Post by: xaritscin on August 07, 2019, 12:04:55 pm
*insert joke about beaver pelt hunting and realism here*
the only problem here is that there's too much spawns of other animals like birds and fish i some parts but then when you do a walk around the river the rest of the area seems devoid of life. not sure if its a bug in creature generation or just bad luck. i know the wildlife spawn rate was nerfed or something like that and it makes sense the forest wouldnt be choke full on animals but at least the few small furred creatures should provide some kind of fur to work with.
its not a necessity, just wanted to have a trully caveman start but after killing the beavers around the base it seems there's no more sources around. only wool, leather and rags from the zombies nearby.
Post by: scriver on August 07, 2019, 12:20:14 pm
Post by: xaritscin on August 07, 2019, 04:19:18 pm
I dunno but I feel if they were going for realism then the best time to catch smaller creatures would be when you aren't around - ie traps
perhaps use the same code used for fishtraps but on small critters. as for birds, i even thought of dropping food on the ground but sadly, it doesnt work like that...food isnt an issue atm anyways, my character is overweight and there's still a lot of food dropped by animals, the issue is the lack of crafting materials like fur (and dont get me started in how to make rope, it took several days to cut down zombie loot until you got enough strings).
in other news i didnt expect a Mi-go to die by wooden spear. even a Kreck is a fucking nuissance to kill so didnt expect this thing to be stupid enough to get try and fight while being halted by bushes/small trees. it even ran away after getting heavily injured and then came back later. that's something you dont see everyday.
but outside of the lack of animal materials the most annoying thing on wilderness so far has been keeping the fire burning. i dont know how it works but its weird that a fire ring can be kept working when near an improvised shelter but once you upgrade to something like a tent/shelter any small drizzle puts it down.
Post by: dpwb on August 08, 2019, 07:24:05 am
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/projects/16
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 08, 2019, 06:52:50 pm
Only thing that's missing is the ability to tan single cured patches into leather and fur patches, but the materials needed for the recipes don't divide as neatly as salt for curing does. Even then I had to eliminate salt water as an option because the required quantity wasn't divisible by 5.
For the tannin source, only pine boughs have a high enough requirement to allow dividing them up, and likewise you can't divide the salt or tallow up at all...an alternative might be to allow animal cooking oil or lamp oil maybe, divide the salt as with curing, and only allow pine boughs, but that'd still waste more water.
Post by: xaritscin on August 09, 2019, 07:28:38 pm
also, i found a crashed helicopter with no zombies and a military rucksack, wut....
Post by: n9103 on August 09, 2019, 07:54:41 pm
also, i found a crashed helicopter with no zombies and a military rucksack, wut....The corpses just wandered off after the local necromancer made them dance for him. No biggie. :P
Post by: ollobrains on August 10, 2019, 04:44:10 am
also, i found a crashed helicopter with no zombies and a military rucksack, wut....The corpses just wandered off after the local necromancer made them dance for him. No biggie. :P
always butcher or smash to pulp
Post by: scriver on August 10, 2019, 06:33:38 am
i found a horse while checking around a new starting location as of latest experimental. i gave it some cattle food and it became friendly but i dont have much experience with animal companions, do they abandon you overtime? or the remain loyal as long as you stay around? i dont really know how it works, just returned to base with the beast and a riding saddle so i can use it to move around.
I've been wondering this too, and also if I have to keep feeding them once they like me. I haven't played around with then much, basically just befriended a chicken a a horse and left them at the farm.
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also, i found a crashed helicopter with no zombies and a military rucksack, wut....
I've been noticing the crash zombies seem to commit suicide on the metal wreckage tiles a lot as of late. Makes sense, but it hides the loot :ĺ
Post by: xaritscin on August 10, 2019, 03:01:49 pm
as of latest experimental Tin is now a valid material for use. man this gives me hope that there will be a time where you will be able to get some metallurgy stuff going on. smelting metal from vehicles is nice and dandy but what if one wants to make some classic stuff like Bronze or Brass. Steel is cool but too prevalent (makes sense), and otherwise mining is pretty much nonexistant. at least give the player the hability to break down most metal objects for smelting.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 10, 2019, 05:21:08 pm
Sane Weapons Pointy Bits, Bayonets that dont suck (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lD7_bLVWsVCbwceFpkbmu8ddtJzzoPBH)
Cannalan Importers, for all your SSRA and QFS needs (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1t9oYJWMYQ5GGjttLQVcGLivRfeHUj9AF)
Post by: n9103 on August 10, 2019, 06:49:52 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on August 10, 2019, 07:39:06 pm
Post by: Culise on August 10, 2019, 10:16:22 pm
If I ever put in enough effort to learn how to use github, probably, atleast until some yells at me for having a bayonet on a gun at the same time as a grenade launcher. :PStrangely, those do exist even today: side-mounted bayonet lugs with the undermounted grenade launcher, for when you need to stab and explode zombies at the same time.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 10, 2019, 11:12:52 pm
Post by: xaritscin on August 11, 2019, 12:31:02 am
seriously? cant the wilds be low on zombie population? is really a need to have a large group of the fuckers waiting for you while looting the place? heck, they even broke the walls of the barn to catch on me and it included Feral Runners. yisuscraist!
Post by: scriver on August 11, 2019, 03:22:43 am
But really it is a bit annoying how fast zombies are tearing down walls when there's more than one in the same room. I think it's been worse since the time change, now they'll pick both cars and structures apart what seems like in-game seconds. You know those "failed survivor" houses, usually full of zombies? Since I started playing again I don't think I've encountered a single one of them that's still structurally intact by the time I get to them (unless they're empty). I guess one zombie bumps against the wall and makes a noice or something and then every single zombie in there zerg rushes that spot, making more noice, causing more rush until the whole house just falls apart.
I'm not sure how structure destruction by enemies work. Is it caused automatically just by moving or attempted movement or do they have some special "tear into things" action they can take?
Also, I think stairs are bork. Enemies don't seem to consequently follow you up and down them any more.
Post by: teoleo on August 11, 2019, 08:58:17 am
Post by: xaritscin on August 11, 2019, 10:33:48 am
Sneaking is your friend. They can't catch you if they can't hear or see you. Lockpicks are great. I never crowbar a door or smash a window unless I have to.
But really it is a bit annoying how fast zombies are tearing down walls when there's more than one in the same room. I think it's been worse since the time change, now they'll pick both cars and structures apart what seems like in-game seconds. You know those "failed survivor" houses, usually full of zombies? Since I started playing again I don't think I've encountered a single one of them that's still structurally intact by the time I get to them (unless they're empty). I guess one zombie bumps against the wall and makes a noice or something and then every single zombie in there zerg rushes that spot, making more noice, causing more rush until the whole house just falls apart.
I'm not sure how structure destruction by enemies work. Is it caused automatically just by moving or attempted movement or do they have some special "tear into things" action they can take?
Also, I think stairs are bork. Enemies don't seem to consequently follow you up and down them any more.
i didnt feel like sneaking because it was daytime and the door wasnt locked, just wanted to check on the house quickly because i knew from past experience that for some reason this particular kind of farm has a closed barn with some zombies inside but by the time i had made a sling and was getting out of the house the safe mode brings the warning of a feral runner in the vicinity. somehow they had broken free from the barn and it wasnt a group of 6 or so it was like horde and a half of them.
Post by: duckman on August 11, 2019, 01:47:58 pm
Post by: Akura on August 11, 2019, 02:25:36 pm
I'm not sure how structure destruction by enemies work. Is it caused automatically just by moving or attempted movement or do they have some special "tear into things" action they can take?
Again awhile since I played, I assume it boils to them wanting to wander to a spot on the other side of a wall, but since they cannot path around an obstacle, when they do find something impeding their movement, they bash it. And you may be right about them zerging a wall, since bashing makes noise, zombies are attracted to noise and go towards the wall, bump into wall, then bash the wall and so on.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 11, 2019, 02:59:35 pm
Post by: duckman on August 11, 2019, 05:17:22 pm
Slings only take a couple of seconds to craft though? It's been awhile since I checked.Turns have been 1 second for a while now, so depending on how long ago you last played, a few seconds is a lot longer than you might remember.
I'm not sure how structure destruction by enemies work. Is it caused automatically just by moving or attempted movement or do they have some special "tear into things" action they can take?
Again awhile since I played, I assume it boils to them wanting to wander to a spot on the other side of a wall, but since they cannot path around an obstacle, when they do find something impeding their movement, they bash it. And you may be right about them zerging a wall, since bashing makes noise, zombies are attracted to noise and go towards the wall, bump into wall, then bash the wall and so on.
Post by: catacombs on August 12, 2019, 01:02:23 pm
ios porting is dead?
There is an iOS version. However, it's not that great.
Post by: xaritscin on August 16, 2019, 11:28:41 pm
using magic feels all dandy until you find that your spells need to be studied in order to improve their performance so i spend more time using melee weapons because mana gets spent for just some damage against zombies. i havent even found the enchanting book to make the themed weapons, not really sure where to find them since its been quite slow to explore the nearest city.
so far its been close to 10 days into the cataclysm and things are looking promising, the only issue right now is that apparently, there may be giant worms in our midst. going to the nearest forest to look for water or clay has shown large swathes of mounded dirt, i even got to drag some carcasses of animals that have been killed by whatever is making the mounds. what i dont get is why my character hasnt been attacked yet. maybe its because if have the Light Step trait but then that gives another issue which is how to hunt down those things.
Post by: ollobrains on August 17, 2019, 04:25:59 am
Post by: xaritscin on August 17, 2019, 09:35:49 am
light step might mean u aren't making enugh sound to attract its attention. A handy hint, feed off its kills
that's what i did. but still, i want to get rid of the fuckers. dont like having monsters around.
Post by: Kaitol on August 17, 2019, 03:57:51 pm
Post by: ollobrains on August 18, 2019, 06:59:08 am
Post by: scriver on August 19, 2019, 02:25:46 pm
Thermos. Gallon. Jugs.
Post by: xaritscin on August 19, 2019, 02:45:09 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 19, 2019, 03:35:01 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on August 19, 2019, 03:49:18 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 19, 2019, 04:49:25 pm
Post by: xaritscin on August 19, 2019, 05:20:29 pm
EDIT: aaaand, dead again. a huge cluster of zombies was hiding in a basement. well shit, the game doesnt want you to get all the important books without getting severely hurt so why not getting swarmed by some undead while checking on the lower levels.
Post by: §k on August 19, 2019, 10:26:24 pm
Post by: ollobrains on August 20, 2019, 03:07:29 am
It seems that nowadays zombies start as regulars and no brute acid or smoker there in the first few days.
monsters evolve ov
Post by: xaritscin on August 20, 2019, 10:11:26 am
Post by: §k on August 21, 2019, 01:48:10 am
What is the normal rate of healing if @ has no related mutations and is not particularly unhealthy?
Post by: Reyn on August 21, 2019, 04:44:29 am
And a TL-DW from the comments:
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1 Hit point on arm to start.
No treatment = 6 health after sleep.
Bandage only= 14 health after sleep.
Bandage + Disinfectant = 21 health after sleep.
First Aid level 3 then Bandage + Disinfectant = 49 health after sleep.
RAISE YOUR FIRST AID SKILL THEN BANDAGE AND DISINFECT!
In my opinion, don't waste disinfectants on healing if you can't make more yourself, or you'll end up with a deep bite and no good of way getting rid of it.
Post by: ollobrains on August 21, 2019, 05:55:05 am
Post by: scourge728 on August 21, 2019, 09:25:40 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 21, 2019, 09:43:17 am
So now everyone will be stealth archers in this game as well?Just like Skyrim!
Post by: scriver on August 21, 2019, 10:17:26 am
Shit. Shit everywhere.
literally the shittiest version yet
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 21, 2019, 10:28:43 am
Post by: §k on August 21, 2019, 10:33:33 am
Quote1 Hit point on arm to start.
No treatment = 6 health after sleep.
Bandage only= 14 health after sleep.
Bandage + Disinfectant = 21 health after sleep.
First Aid level 3 then Bandage + Disinfectant = 49 health after sleep.
RAISE YOUR FIRST AID SKILL THEN BANDAGE AND DISINFECT!
Thanks, these numbers are very helpful!
So now everyone will be stealth archers in this game as well?
I still play the pole-arm kiting coyote.
So I started playing a newer version today.
Shit. Shit everywhere.
literally the shittiest version yet
Yes lol... this has been in the game for a year I think
Post by: xaritscin on August 21, 2019, 10:53:51 am
So now everyone will be stealth archers in this game as well?
not really, Spears are always usefull and easy to made. albeit i found some nice results with bashing weapons (mostly staffs, perhaps being well armored to cover those moments where you cant block the enemy)
Post by: §k on August 21, 2019, 11:01:37 am
?
Been away from the CDDA community for a while. When I logged into the discourse site some days ago the first thing I saw was a locked flame thread. The project leader cares too much about people's opinion about the game and tries to engage any "criticism". And this attitude affects the general players to some extend.
Post by: scriver on August 21, 2019, 11:37:22 am
.So I started playing a newer version today.
Shit. Shit everywhere.
literally the shittiest version yet
Yes lol... this has been in the game for a year I think
I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I'm talking about how there's manure, dog shit, or bird shit now. I'm assuming for farming reasons. And that's definitely not been there for a year.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 21, 2019, 05:56:36 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on August 21, 2019, 07:36:13 pm
?
Been away from the CDDA community for a while. When I logged into the discourse site some days ago the first thing I saw was a locked flame thread. The project leader cares too much about people's opinion about the game and tries to engage any "criticism". And this attitude affects the general players to some extend.
He meant the literal piles of ingame shit, not the shitfit kevin throws whenever someone doesn't yes-man hard enough for his liking.
Post by: §k on August 21, 2019, 08:25:07 pm
The new riding is cool. Sometimes though it says you don't know how put a saddle on a horse? What is lacking, DEX, INT, or driving skill? And when I get on the horse I find no way to dismount...
Post by: ollobrains on August 21, 2019, 09:56:04 pm
Maybe not a year but definitely a long time. It used to spawn giant roaches.
The new riding is cool. Sometimes though it says you don't know how put a saddle on a horse? What is lacking, DEX, INT, or driving skill? And when I get on the horse I find no way to dismount...
New skill - Horse Riding
Post by: §k on August 21, 2019, 10:23:30 pm
Post by: duckman on August 21, 2019, 10:46:34 pm
Maybe not a year but definitely a long time. It used to spawn giant roaches.Dismount with "^". I assume they used that key to keep riding semi-consistent with driving.
The new riding is cool. Sometimes though it says you don't know how put a saddle on a horse? What is lacking, DEX, INT, or driving skill? And when I get on the horse I find no way to dismount...
Post by: §k on August 21, 2019, 11:31:11 pm
Post by: duckman on August 22, 2019, 04:59:27 am
Edit: They added actual armor values for vehicle parts at some point and most of them have less health than before that update, so heavy vehicles are harder to damage while light vehicles are easier to break. Mod parts don't seem to have been updated to the same standard yet.
Post by: xaritscin on August 22, 2019, 08:50:36 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 22, 2019, 11:43:17 pm
And then from there its a random chance the run is over at that point.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 22, 2019, 11:45:22 pm
Post by: duckman on August 23, 2019, 12:17:16 am
need a bit of help regarding NPC missions. the mouse guy that started with me in the shelter gave me a mission to find a "Religious Relic" or something like that. i've seen some religious books while exploring the outskirts of the nearest city but im not really sure what im supposed to give him to finish it. would one of those be enough or i have to find something else?The specific item that mission wants is a small relic, iirc. Look for a large religious building.
Post by: xaritscin on August 23, 2019, 12:29:25 am
well it doesnt matter since the daily zombie spawn finally got it right and put a fucking Zombie Soldier in our midst which rapidly got rid of my party of 2 just by dodging and killing the rat man. really sad end for us.
Post by: King Zultan on August 23, 2019, 02:33:54 am
I know its late to say this because he died but the small relic can also spawn in museums.need a bit of help regarding NPC missions. the mouse guy that started with me in the shelter gave me a mission to find a "Religious Relic" or something like that. i've seen some religious books while exploring the outskirts of the nearest city but im not really sure what im supposed to give him to finish it. would one of those be enough or i have to find something else?The specific item that mission wants is a small relic, iirc. Look for a large religious building.
Post by: teoleo on August 23, 2019, 03:37:17 am
and where is the sound??
Post by: xaritscin on August 23, 2019, 09:30:02 am
go in the game after some time and found the mod "aftershock", how it changes the game?
and where is the sound??
aftershock adds or enables some stuff, it also got merged with Blazemod which adds some extra stuff like a Goo based vehicle.
base game doesnt have sound files technically. you have to install the CDDA Soundpack from the launcher and select it in the options menu.
Post by: xaritscin on August 23, 2019, 07:25:49 pm
after a long moment of finding how to dodge the hordes past midnight i found a Dairy Farm well out from the city and near the forest with some usefull supplies to start over again. Cows were aplenty but had to lock them in the barn because they are too snuggly (hope they dont die there, not sure how domestic animals work in this game), the road up north however is hell on all sides. a 9mm turret sitting in a blockade a bit beyond the farm. 2 Mi-gos and a Kreck further north with an Autotank east of them and a C H I C K E N W A L K E R right north on the rest of the road past a military vehicle.
the road west of the city must be near a Fungal Tower/Bloom due to seeing spore cloud so had to return. it seems going East is the only way around this spawning region. but first i have to eat all the books gathered and find a way to make a proper vehicle to abandon the farm.
Post by: teoleo on August 24, 2019, 03:59:12 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on August 24, 2019, 07:54:13 am
That's all. Just lost a long run to a ranged mi-go because I had the audacity to walk around at night.
Post by: xaritscin on August 24, 2019, 10:09:34 am
hostile helephant....??!!?? :O)))
Desert Region mod, adds Fungal Elephants...
Post by: duckman on August 24, 2019, 01:25:45 pm
Edit: Did anyone else know that setting large, uncontained fires outdoors with experimental z-levels on created 10 z-level high flame columns? You'd think it would spread a bit more at ground level first, but apparently not.
Post by: §k on August 24, 2019, 08:33:07 pm
Post by: xaritscin on August 25, 2019, 12:29:02 pm
Seems like a couple of Magiclysm monsters lack the "BASHES" flag, meaning they are physically incapable of smashing obstacles. Owlbears, black dragons and trolls are all thwarted by closed curtains and tent flaps.
and it also seems they dont attract the attention of the zeds like with woodland creatures or robots. found a Demon Spider lair in one of the forest patches inside a Megacity and the undead arent aggroing them (nor are the spiders attacking them).
Post by: duckman on August 26, 2019, 02:19:59 am
*They have a tendency of not stacking.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 26, 2019, 04:51:20 pm
Post by: Eschar on August 26, 2019, 09:06:45 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on August 26, 2019, 09:10:53 pm
Post by: xaritscin on August 27, 2019, 11:28:46 am
and also, is there a way to fight shockers as a martial arts character? character almost got killed yesterday because one got pulled from the other side of a dollar store.
Post by: scriver on August 27, 2019, 11:53:04 am
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 27, 2019, 12:25:19 pm
1. A non-conductive weapon ( I don't know how martial arts works but bare fist fighting a shocker isn't a good idea unless you got CBMs.)
2.A unsuppressed firearm.
3. A Molotov
4. A grenade
5. A suppressed firearm
6. with a mi-go
7. .50 BMG/ large rifle.
Does smashing shocker corpses cause lower loot drops before you dissect them?
Post by: xaritscin on August 27, 2019, 12:31:06 pm
In order of survivability and preference, I usually fight Shockers with
1. A non-conductive weapon ( I don't know how martial arts works but bare fist fighting a shocker isn't a good idea unless you got CBMs.)
2.A unsuppressed firearm.
3. A Molotov
4. A grenade
5. A suppressed firearm
6. with a mi-go
7. .50 BMG/ large rifle.
Does smashing shocker corpses cause lower loot drops before you dissect them?
i see, problem is that i like to use my Venom Mob Protegee trait and thus i dont really carry weapons outside of a makeshift crowbar but oh well.
yeah smashing corpses destroys some of the potential bionics you could get from them, everything else should be fine for dropping.
Post by: duckman on August 27, 2019, 03:42:12 pm
Post by: xaritscin on August 27, 2019, 04:18:26 pm
EDIT: nvm, i forgot there's an item browser.
UPDATE:
i had to craft the Charcoal thingy anyways becuase no way im gonna find and haul 40 rocks in a metropolis full of zombies. i got enough scrap metal and other chunks from a nearby vehicle to make the rest of the metalworking tools and components. the plan of this gameplay was to make some kind of post-apocalyptic Steampunk character with magical habilities rather than going full cyborg or mutant. instead i want to make use of old science to power up my survival.
so once i've gathered enough components i kinda want to try and make my mobile base around some sort of Locomotive/Steam Tank contraption. thankfully one of the mods adds a "Makeshift Steam Engine" via books so i have the engine part covered, now i have to figure out how to optimize the amount of coal necessary for moving around seeing as that i'll probably need to have a space in the vehicle to carry not only the fuel but also the water.
Post by: Flying Dice on August 27, 2019, 09:00:35 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on August 28, 2019, 09:07:33 am
As for your coal problem, building a stationary charcoal furnace is leagues faster to load and unload then a mobile one.
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 28, 2019, 11:57:50 am
Post by: duckman on August 28, 2019, 12:16:50 pm
Edit: Wait, nvm, .38 super FMJ are .38 super class ammo. They have 0 AP though, so the code there is only slightly less broken than I initially thought.
Oh, and someone added a bunch of common pistols with realistic volumes about a week ago, meaning realistic item volumes* might be on the way. This also indirectly fixes my KSG complaint from a while back since it is no longer the only gun with a volume that isn't a multiple of 250 ml.
*This should actually shrink most items slightly.
Post by: Gentlefish on August 28, 2019, 12:58:04 pm
If you don't want to, I might do that later tonight for funsies.
Post by: xaritscin on August 28, 2019, 03:42:18 pm
so i need advice on this. would it be enough to just use regular Steel Frames? i foun an armored vehicle one or 2 squares east of the base but there was a horde moving towards it so i cant go and check it. crafting the frames would be another alternative but it takes a lot of materials to craft.
i wanted to have a transport with a balance between durability, speed and utility so it was originally going to have heavy frames in the outer layer and regular ones in the inside.
Post by: duckman on August 28, 2019, 04:38:36 pm
That would be an easy pull request since it's just editing a .json file.I would just wind up trying to add fancy/super fancy pants or make the pistol bandolier compatible with .22 ammo if I started, so go ahead if you'd like.
If you don't want to, I might do that later tonight for funsies.
ok the Steam Engine is done. but now im having a dilemma. i was thinking on having the outer walls of the vehicle reinforced with armor, the problem i see atm is that there's not much vehicles with Heavy Duty Frame on them. just took some of the frontal parts of a 4x4 and even then it was just a handfull of them (and they weight a lot).Most vehicle parts in the base game have armor values in exchange for health now (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/commit/02fb12199bca1ec22563144db5b6aac512e93316), so steel frames are actually quite tough with their damage reduction of 52.
so i need advice on this. would it be enough to just use regular Steel Frames? i foun an armored vehicle one or 2 squares east of the base but there was a horde moving towards it so i cant go and check it. crafting the frames would be another alternative but it takes a lot of materials to craft.
i wanted to have a transport with a balance between durability, speed and utility so it was originally going to have heavy frames in the outer layer and regular ones in the inside.
Post by: xaritscin on August 28, 2019, 05:50:27 pm
EDIT:
welp, i got bored of this. not only it took a lot of time to craft the base hull of the machine but also had to make a cantilever to lift the vehicle and add the metal wheels (which seems to be non steerable so basically the steam tank wouldnt be able to turn around); and it also turns out i need to make some glass sheets and stuff to be able to make a reinforced windshield. there's too much materials to move around and im already down to finish my acetylene. is too much grind even for a moderately sized machinery.
better luck next time. between having to deal with zombies and farming supplies i cannot keep this project going on. perhaps in a regular map where i know there's plenty of raw materials to gather around without hordes moving on all corners destroying all the vehicle suitable for hijacking for parts.
Post by: Random_Dragon on August 29, 2019, 03:43:54 pm
I have a question about the Arcana and Magic Items mod: I've noticed that some stuff is listed as a "magical focus". What does that mean?
Certain items can be assigned a flag that makes it so that, if you're wielding that item, you can cast spells that would normally require you to have your hands empty.
This is used in Arcana by the symbol of judgment, restored ritual blade, and a few other items because Paragon of The Veil spells are planned to require free hands to cast, so players focused on the tools associated with the Keepers of The Oath will be able to cast their unique spells while using said items.
Since spell foci aren't currently class-specific, one side effect is that Dragonblood spells can take advantage of these items too.
Post by: scriver on August 30, 2019, 08:48:44 am
Post by: EuchreJack on August 30, 2019, 09:17:44 am
Pigs doesn't accept cattle fodder. Can I tame them somehow else?
Aren't pigs too smart to tame? :P
Just looking at the wiki (and we all know how inaccurate that can be), it appears only piglets eat food.
Post by: scriver on August 30, 2019, 09:37:38 am
Post by: duckman on August 30, 2019, 11:27:51 am
They, along with almost all dogs* and other obviously mountable animals, do have the "PET_MOUNTABLE" flag though.
*Impossible to ride. A Tiny, naked, near-dead-from-starvation mutant is still too heavy for a Great Pyrenees, the largest dog, to carry.
Post by: xaritscin on August 30, 2019, 12:08:35 pm
oh and Braziers and Camp Chairs can be dissasembled among other things. thing that got me most interested in some kind of balancing to the charges per turn thing for light emitting tools, not sure if it applies to stuff like Candles, Glowsticks or Oil Lamps (i guess it should, but still) but there were moments where i kind of wanted to use those but felt that their charge didnt provide enough time for any meaningfull activity. i hope this fixes it, you dont always have an atomic lamp or electric source at hand.
Post by: duckman on August 30, 2019, 12:36:59 pm
Post by: scriver on August 30, 2019, 01:11:09 pm
But I am currently exploring the region of Elephant Butte
It's a pretty large area
Post by: EuchreJack on August 30, 2019, 04:32:47 pm
Also I just thought you wanted to know
But I am currently exploring the region of Elephant Butte
It's a pretty large area
Lots of dudes there, I bet!
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 30, 2019, 10:20:32 pm
Post by: duckman on September 01, 2019, 12:15:05 pm
Poor Hearing on a character is much more dangerous now. Personally, I think the volume should be adjusted to cover Poor Hearing if they're going for realism for legal liability reasons.
Edit: Seems like the teleporting refugee/guard issue is still happening. They can't fix it if they aren't able to replicate the issue to see what's happening in the code though, so that's probably going to to be a thing for a while longer.
Edit 2: Have they done something about the player owning 148+ different vehicles yet or do you still own every car you happen to loot a bag of chips from?
Post by: ollobrains on September 11, 2019, 09:23:09 pm
Post by: Soadreqm on September 12, 2019, 02:42:14 am
Post by: dpwb on September 12, 2019, 06:33:17 am
Edit 2: Have they done something about the player owning 148+ different vehicles yet or do you still own every car you happen to loot a bag of chips from?
Well tbh, the player owning a vehicle dosnt mean much currently, as NPCs cant steal cars.
The only alternative to "I touched it, therefore I own it now" is to explicitly "claim ownership" of a vehicle through a menu option, which could be annoying, if we restricted ownership to those vehicles you'd only started the engine on for example, then that would exclude engine-less draggable "vehicles" and other annoying niche cases.
When vehicle ownership starts having more meaning, I may refine the point at which ownership applies.
To keep you guys updated on whats happening elsewhere in the code :-
NPCs can now do a lot more, can be ordered to do various tasks for you, this is another step in a lot of future plans for NPCs/factions.
Working on flying vehicles like helicopters/planes/hot air balloons.
The actual implementation of which will probably be that actually getting something running and flying will be very difficult, possibly dangerous, possibly not worth the effort, and maybe impossible for someone who dosnt start as a pilot profession.
However, I'm sure mods that don't take realism as seriously will make more expansive use of the framework, so that people can fly around as much as they want.
I also enabled NPCs riding horses, and animal-drawn vehicles following you when you whistle.
By the way, when coding a vehicle to follow the player, I soon learned the lesson of setting a minimum safe distance, during testing, an autopilot wheelchair, kept following the player and crashing into them, until they died.
https://gfycat.com/brightenormousdutchshepherddog
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on September 12, 2019, 12:18:50 pm
Post by: Soadreqm on September 12, 2019, 01:35:48 pm
How close are we to having tank drones that are actual tanks instead of creatures?
Post by: Iceblaster on September 12, 2019, 02:09:19 pm
Post by: scriver on September 12, 2019, 04:02:01 pm
I didn't know having vehicles move without player input was even remotely possible!
Well why wouldn't it be? There's no point implementing playerinputless vehicles if for it to work you have to be right by them
Post by: dpwb on September 12, 2019, 06:51:06 pm
Personally I'd like anyone to be able to try to make a flying machine, but of course actually piloting it would be difficult. Perhaps a piloting skill that gets bonus learning from a pilot profession. Unlike driving where effect is minimal, 0 piloting trying to fly a jet very likely means you crash the fucker before it even gets off the ground, and if it does you're liable to crash and burn.
Our current plans are kinda similar to what you say.
Pilot profession can fly fine, as they have the piloting trait.
Anyone else with high mechanics can *attempt* to build their own simple heli or plane with a motorbike engine, like an ultralight or gyrocopter, and the controls will probably be nice and simple ( the thing might fall apart anyway though )
Early aviators built very simple machines that were easy to understand, and a lot of them crashed, and most survived, as the speeds involved often werent very high.
We can surely allow non-pilot players to attempt to fly an apache helicopter, and crash and burn once theyve spent hours pressing random buttons in trial and error to get it to start.
Building your own will surely be the better option for most players.
Even if you are a proper pilot, maintaining and keeping a military plane/helicopter in working condition and with enough avgas will be difficult, itd be more likely that factions of NPCs might be able to keep one running, this opens up interesting possibilities in the future for NPC air support/ pickup/ travelling.
Its interesting because NPC flying will actually be easier to implement than NPC driving, they can go in mostly straight lines, less AI pathfinding around obstacles in the road and so on.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 13, 2019, 12:56:03 am
For a large enough faction, piloting skills would be valuable. They'd want to preserve them by having new pilots trained, so that when your heli pilot gets eaten by zeds you're not left with an expensive vehicle that nobody knows how to use. It's most fun if that replacement pilot can be the player.
Post by: ( Tchey ) on September 13, 2019, 04:11:11 am
Is it possible to play this game with very few "monsters", to focus my gameplay on crafting and easy/medium surviving, without the "zombies and worst, everywhere" part ?
What options or mods would that be ?
Thanks
Post by: ollobrains on September 13, 2019, 04:14:17 am
Post by: EuchreJack on September 13, 2019, 12:09:12 pm
We can surely allow non-pilot players to attempt to fly an apache helicopter, and crash and burn once theyve spent hours pressing random buttons in trial and error to get it to start.
I assume there is an instruction manual in the glove compartment. Now, a non-pilot probably won't know what it means, but it's probably there.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 13, 2019, 01:14:36 pm
Hello,
Is it possible to play this game with very few "monsters", to focus my gameplay on crafting and easy/medium surviving, without the "zombies and worst, everywhere" part ?
What options or mods would that be ?
Thanks
You can set an option when generating a world that changes how many monsters spawn. Turn that down to 0.5 for half as many monsters or 0 for no monsters at all. I think that'll probably change how many animals and such spawn as well, so might not want to set it too low if you want to live off of hunting.
There's also multipliers for monster health and speed. Set the health lower and you should have an easier time killing whatever does show up.
Post by: scriver on September 13, 2019, 01:36:54 pm
Post by: Mephansteras on September 13, 2019, 02:38:01 pm
Edit 2: Have they done something about the player owning 148+ different vehicles yet or do you still own every car you happen to loot a bag of chips from?
Well tbh, the player owning a vehicle dosnt mean much currently, as NPCs cant steal cars.
The only alternative to "I touched it, therefore I own it now" is to explicitly "claim ownership" of a vehicle through a menu option, which could be annoying, if we restricted ownership to those vehicles you'd only started the engine on for example, then that would exclude engine-less draggable "vehicles" and other annoying niche cases.
When vehicle ownership starts having more meaning, I may refine the point at which ownership applies.
Quick thought on vehicle ownership: I'd say it starts, by default, when a player moves the vehicle. That'd cut down on ownership of all of those busted vehicles the player just loots/tries out while still making it an automatic process. Also allows for easier ownership of shopping carts and the like.
Granted, it's not perfect, but I think it'd make a good baseline. Add in a menu option to specifically own/abandon a vehicle as well and that should give you a solid starting point.
When it gets to the point that it matters, of course.
Post by: duckman on September 13, 2019, 05:06:27 pm
They could experiment with gaining traits like that using the Skater trait. It's one of the most reasonable ones to get after sufficient practice.We can surely allow non-pilot players to attempt to fly an apache helicopter, and crash and burn once theyve spent hours pressing random buttons in trial and error to get it to start.
I assume there is an instruction manual in the glove compartment. Now, a non-pilot probably won't know what it means, but it's probably there.
Post by: Robsoie on September 13, 2019, 07:55:16 pm
Post by: forsaken1111 on September 14, 2019, 04:34:56 am
In the Blacklist modlist when creating a world , there's a "No Monster" that remove all monsters but leave wildlife intact.Rapture simulator 2019? Could be a fun chill challenge, just explore the remains of the world wondering why you're the only one left
Post by: Robsoie on September 14, 2019, 07:19:00 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 14, 2019, 04:56:00 pm
1. Mi-go are now hostile to nether critters.
2. The lowest level of the curious structure in arcana spawns mi-gos along with more mundane monsters.
3. Mi-gos actually stand a decent chance of killing everything else that might spawn...
Post by: Aseaheru on September 14, 2019, 07:03:05 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 14, 2019, 09:35:52 pm
#3 was news to you?
Well, more that I assumed that the spirit of fire, having more HP than any vanilla monster and spamming fire shots, wouldn't be so easily pimpslapped...
Post by: EuchreJack on September 15, 2019, 01:38:59 pm
You can also activate the Dino Mod, and play Raptor simulator 2019. I believe they're treated as wildlife, so they should still show up and play.In the Blacklist modlist when creating a world , there's a "No Monster" that remove all monsters but leave wildlife intact.Rapture simulator 2019? Could be a fun chill challenge, just explore the remains of the world wondering why you're the only one left
Post by: TheBronzePickle on September 15, 2019, 08:10:56 pm
I personally made a mod that got rid of all zombies. It makes prowling through cities way more mild, as unless your character is particularly skilled or well-equipped, zombies are honestly the biggest threats you have to deal with unless you straight up don't have cities at all. Honestly, it's a bit too quiet up until the other populations start spreading and moving in.
Post by: Robsoie on September 16, 2019, 06:28:11 am
replacing monsters with more or less aggressive animals could help to work around lack of challenge in cities.
Oh and doing a replace monsters with dinosaurs could be very fun (what i hoped the dino mod was doing, but in fact didn't at all)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on September 17, 2019, 06:51:10 am
Post by: Altivera on September 17, 2019, 01:23:25 pm
Frankly, the dino mod hasn't impressed me. So far I've seen nothing but Compsognathus, which appear in some basements and wildlife offices and don't fight at all unless you're weak.
Do you use any other mod which modifies vanilla monstergroups without using the override tag?
Post by: Robsoie on September 17, 2019, 02:36:47 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 22, 2019, 01:22:01 pm
It's got a few more fringe benefits, but at the cost of a substantial nerf to raw sustained damage potential, at least how I'm reading it. Does not feel good. It was really strong for both dueling single tough targets and killing mobs of trash, but now you're pretty much required to try to play it by ducking in and out... with the issue being that even with the sound buffs most enemies have detection as good or better than you, unless you focused your entire build around avoiding notice.
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on September 22, 2019, 07:31:10 pm
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 22, 2019, 08:15:11 pm
They really don't want you fighting without a weapon.
[Laughs In Native 20 Strength + Wielded Pudding Cup]
Post by: Altivera on September 22, 2019, 08:28:57 pm
If i understand the dinomod files , said dinos will only appear in a building named "wildlife field office"
I also checked the dinomod files and it looks like dinos are supposed to be be able to spawn in a lot more places than a wildlife field office.
Post by: Altivera on September 22, 2019, 08:30:01 pm
If i understand the dinomod files , said dinos will only appear in a building named "wildlife field office"
I also checked the dinomod files and it looks like dinos are supposed to be be able to spawn in a lot more places then just a wildlife field office.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 22, 2019, 10:48:55 pm
Going by whats been said they were trying to nerf down Martial Arts in general that were strong as far as I know. They really don't want you fighting without a weapon.I mean, half the point of taking Ninjutsu was fighting with a weapon, since you still got all the bonuses while using bladed weapons. It was pretty much the only hybrid martial art that worked both unarmed and armed. I'm still playing on my ninja maid character from one of the later 0.C builds, and my go-to for killing basically anything that doesn't have a gun is ninjutsu with a cavalry saber. Not exactly orthodox, but it works really well.
We all know that the real reason is to reduce player agency even further because you can't have people playing the game the wrong way, now can you? ::)
Post by: xaritscin on September 22, 2019, 11:54:37 pm
So, opinions on the Ninjutsu rebalance?
It's got a few more fringe benefits, but at the cost of a substantial nerf to raw sustained damage potential, at least how I'm reading it. Does not feel good. It was really strong for both dueling single tough targets and killing mobs of trash, but now you're pretty much required to try to play it by ducking in and out... with the issue being that even with the sound buffs most enemies have detection as good or better than you, unless you focused your entire build around avoiding notice.
cant find the reference for the changes in Github but just from reading what you posted i guess they rebalanced the art so its more closely to the idea of how it was used in the past. i mean, ninjas were assasins and spies so they were supposed to go in, bring down the target and get out. sustained damage doesnt make sense in that situation, you should have killed the target with a single attack and GTFO before being caught.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 23, 2019, 01:43:44 pm
So, opinions on the Ninjutsu rebalance?
It's got a few more fringe benefits, but at the cost of a substantial nerf to raw sustained damage potential, at least how I'm reading it. Does not feel good. It was really strong for both dueling single tough targets and killing mobs of trash, but now you're pretty much required to try to play it by ducking in and out... with the issue being that even with the sound buffs most enemies have detection as good or better than you, unless you focused your entire build around avoiding notice.
cant find the reference for the changes in Github but just from reading what you posted i guess they rebalanced the art so its more closely to the idea of how it was used in the past. i mean, ninjas were assasins and spies so they were supposed to go in, bring down the target and get out. sustained damage doesnt make sense in that situation, you should have killed the target with a single attack and GTFO before being caught.
"Sustained damage" in the sense of an innate crit chance and associated damage buffs to blades and blunt weapons. Which makes sense when parsed as exploiting weaknesses in protection and form, and that ninja traditionally were weapon-users.
Now there's a damage buff on the first attack and a damage debuff on all subsequent attacks, which makes less sense. Not to mention that I have zero confidence that the system can adequately track when you've disengaged and re-engaged. Worst case scenario is that you keep the damage debuff for as long as enemies are alerted, which instantly dumps Ninjutsu into garbage-tier.
This is doubly bad because Ninjutsu wasn't even a top-tier martial art, just passable. Muay Thai, Scorpion Style Kung Fu, Dragon Style Shaolin, Taekwondo and Krav Maga were all objectively better than it for anything other than using martial arts with a zero-range melee weapon.
Post by: ZebioLizard2 on September 23, 2019, 06:35:33 pm
I may have confused Ninjutsu with another Martial Art by mistake. I tend to nab whatever first MA I can find and keep to it even if it's borderline useless at times. :DGoing by whats been said they were trying to nerf down Martial Arts in general that were strong as far as I know. They really don't want you fighting without a weapon.I mean, half the point of taking Ninjutsu was fighting with a weapon, since you still got all the bonuses while using bladed weapons. It was pretty much the only hybrid martial art that worked both unarmed and armed. I'm still playing on my ninja maid character from one of the later 0.C builds, and my go-to for killing basically anything that doesn't have a gun is ninjutsu with a cavalry saber. Not exactly orthodox, but it works really well.
We all know that the real reason is to reduce player agency even further because you can't have people playing the game the wrong way, now can you? ::)
Post by: Flying Dice on September 23, 2019, 06:49:42 pm
I may have confused Ninjutsu with another Martial Art by mistake. I tend to nab whatever first MA I can find and keep to it even if it's borderline useless at times. :DGoing by whats been said they were trying to nerf down Martial Arts in general that were strong as far as I know. They really don't want you fighting without a weapon.I mean, half the point of taking Ninjutsu was fighting with a weapon, since you still got all the bonuses while using bladed weapons. It was pretty much the only hybrid martial art that worked both unarmed and armed. I'm still playing on my ninja maid character from one of the later 0.C builds, and my go-to for killing basically anything that doesn't have a gun is ninjutsu with a cavalry saber. Not exactly orthodox, but it works really well.
We all know that the real reason is to reduce player agency even further because you can't have people playing the game the wrong way, now can you? ::)
Ninjutsu's one of those ones that can work really well but which you shouldn't take as a starting style unless you're confident that you can survive without it, since it's fairly anemic and both maneuvers (the block especially) unlock at level 3, so you don't get much to work with on a new character. Once you get those skill levels and a good weapon, though, it was very good... for that specific playstyle. Dragon Style Shaolin is pretty similar except with fist weapons, it gets lv2 block, and it's better at dealing with grapples.
If you want something that's just all-around overpowered, take Krav Maga.
Post by: duckman on September 23, 2019, 09:09:32 pm
There was an unarmed damage nerf capping fist-only damage a while back, so even if the item has 0 damage it still does more damage than your fists. Bashing things with sponges and the like at 20 strength does about 5-10 more damage on average than your fists unless you trigger one of the myriad unarmed techniques/buffs.They really don't want you fighting without a weapon.
[Laughs In Native 20 Strength + Wielded Pudding Cup]
On a separate note, the nutrient/hunger change from a while back seems to have messed with some of the secondary effects for metabolic mutations. Hypermetabolism doesn't prevent vomiting anymore, for instance.
Also, checking out the default tileset, the new leaf/rosebud mutations from the plant/fey line are still missing visually so gaining them makes you look less mutated. Must be because they aren't on the wiki for easy viewing.
Post by: scriver on September 24, 2019, 03:17:53 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 24, 2019, 05:11:23 am
There was an unarmed damage nerf capping fist-only damage a while back, so even if the item has 0 damage it still does more damage than your fists.
What. Even if you're pushing 30+ strength? That's a fun new level of bullshit. Sure, I'd expect that a 30-strength mutant cyborg would hit harder with a sledgehammer than his bare hands, but how severe is the cap? If it means that a 30-plus-strength mutant cyborg can't out-punch a straight-8s shelter baby, then the damage cap is too severe.
Post by: King Zultan on September 24, 2019, 05:42:02 am
Link (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/34196)
Post by: duckman on September 24, 2019, 05:47:32 am
It seems I misremembered the actual nerf (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/31858). The cap does still exist though, and seems to be set to a slightly lower multiplier than the armed non-crit bashing damage cap of 2X strength, so higher strength does still makes a difference.There was an unarmed damage nerf capping fist-only damage a while back, so even if the item has 0 damage it still does more damage than your fists.
What. Even if you're pushing 30+ strength? That's a fun new level of bullshit. Sure, I'd expect that a 30-strength mutant cyborg would hit harder with a sledgehammer than his bare hands, but how severe is the cap? If it means that a 30-plus-strength mutant cyborg can't out-punch a straight-8s shelter baby, then the damage cap is too severe.
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 24, 2019, 11:18:28 am
Apparently they found one tile from a minecraft mod in the DeadPeople, MShock and Chesthole tilesets, and instead of getting rid of the affected tile they trashed the whole lot of them.
Link (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/34196)
Worse, around the same time SDG quit entirely and took his repo with him.
I'm maintaining a backup here: https://github.com/chaosvolt/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset-Backup (https://github.com/chaosvolt/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset-Backup)
Post by: Robsoie on September 24, 2019, 12:36:20 pm
Out of looking very nice (good you're preserving it), one of the great thing of SomeDeadGuy tileset was that he regularly updated with all the new additions cdda got with time, something most of the other available (at the time) tilesets didn't do (as most were abandonned with time even if they were still left in the game so there were a bunch of missing stuff when you tried to use them).
So as i have not followed much of development recently, is there a tileset left in the game after the purge that is kept up to date ?
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 24, 2019, 01:02:26 pm
So as i have not followed much of development recently, is there a tileset left in the game after the purge that is kept up to date ?
The default is now Retrodays, which has been getting some intermittent updates by people on the project. It's...retro. I'm not as familiar with it but it's still a good set. At least it's not Chesthole's deformed chibis, missing tiles, and wildly inconsistent sense of perspective.
Post by: Robsoie on September 24, 2019, 01:32:57 pm
Nice to learn that it has been updated at least.
But it's going to be hard to get back to it after having been used to the DeadPeople tileset :)
Post by: Random_Dragon on September 24, 2019, 01:45:54 pm
Also, I'm maintaining an issue as well, for reporting and tracking all sprites known or suspected to be stolen, in the hopes of eventually unfucking this mess: https://github.com/chaosvolt/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset-Backup/issues/1 (https://github.com/chaosvolt/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset-Backup/issues/1)
Post by: Robsoie on September 24, 2019, 03:27:39 pm
Hopefully there aren't too many of them, though with people just taking picture "from the internet" to make theirs, identifying everything could be hell.
Post by: dpwb on September 25, 2019, 04:01:06 am
Apparently they found one tile from a minecraft mod in the DeadPeople, MShock and Chesthole tilesets, and instead of getting rid of the affected tile they trashed the whole lot of them.
Link (https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/34196)
Worse, around the same time SDG quit entirely and took his repo with him.
I'm maintaining a backup here: https://github.com/chaosvolt/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset-Backup (https://github.com/chaosvolt/Cata-MSX-DeadPeopleTileset-Backup)
SDG left for unrelated reasons, he was having some drama with some russian 4chan-type place apparently.
There are strong suspicions of a high-degree of confidence that at least a *lot* more of the tiles from that era were "borrowed" from other places, with no attribution or mention or knowledge of their license.
So instead of this being another excuse to bash the devs, I'm sure you can understand in this day and age why a project would take these steps - you cannot mess around with this stuff nowadays.
This dosnt stop people using the tileset btw it just dosnt bundle it with the main repo anymore.
Post by: Robsoie on September 25, 2019, 08:36:50 am
Post by: Flying Dice on September 25, 2019, 09:09:11 pm
By my recollection it was more that Cataclysm originally had damage tweaks to help keep unarmed melee in the same ballpark damage-wise as armed melee. Kevin eventually found out and promptly went "THIS PART OF THIS POST-APOC CYBERPUNK RPG R NOT REALISTIC GOODBYE GAMEPLAY STYLE". Y'know, instead of tuning it down a bit, or coming up with an alternative implementation that made more sense.There was an unarmed damage nerf capping fist-only damage a while back, so even if the item has 0 damage it still does more damage than your fists.
What. Even if you're pushing 30+ strength? That's a fun new level of bullshit. Sure, I'd expect that a 30-strength mutant cyborg would hit harder with a sledgehammer than his bare hands, but how severe is the cap? If it means that a 30-plus-strength mutant cyborg can't out-punch a straight-8s shelter baby, then the damage cap is too severe.
Thankfully it was well after the build I still run on. But yeah, if you want to do basically anything except die horribly over and over trying to unfreeze food, wash clothes, or get basic levels in core skills, you're better off on an older build, since martial arts, guns, vehicles, and to a certain extent innawoods stuff has all been trashed.
Post by: Taberone on October 02, 2019, 04:45:48 pm
So as i have not followed much of development recently, is there a tileset left in the game after the purge that is kept up to date ?
The default is now Retrodays, which has been getting some intermittent updates by people on the project. It's...retro. I'm not as familiar with it but it's still a good set. At least it's not Chesthole's deformed chibis, missing tiles, and wildly inconsistent sense of perspective.
Retrodays is the default now? Sweet! I love the Retrodays tileset. It's retro and very readable, and I like it better than ASCII.
Post by: Erk on October 11, 2019, 11:44:49 am
(https://github.com/I-am-Erk/CDDA-Tilesets/raw/master/Ultimate_Cataclysm/screenshots/example_8oct2019.png)
If anyone is keen on contributing some simple graphics, the github is here: https://github.com/I-am-Erk/CDDA-Tilesets
And the discord discussion is here: https://discord.gg/kAXNZuy
Post by: duckman on October 12, 2019, 03:30:45 am
Post by: Eschar on October 12, 2019, 10:27:06 am
Post by: AzyWng on October 12, 2019, 10:55:13 am
Post by: Eschar on October 12, 2019, 10:58:36 am
What do you think we should do about the matter?
No idea. A fork is going to be hard to draw people to (both current and future contributors and future players) ... unless it's publicly and loudly announced after some action by Kevin that outrages a LOT of the devs. Or unless we spread a large compilation of all of his offenses and use the outrage possibly generated from that?
Post by: Robsoie on October 12, 2019, 12:01:53 pm
Post by: se5a on October 12, 2019, 04:22:01 pm
Post by: Erk on October 13, 2019, 12:29:46 am
As magiclysm demonstrates, there's no opposition to packaged mods that go in completely different directions from the dark days ahead goals. They can even have deep roots in added game code.
To date, nobody has ever maintained one of these mods for long. It's not through lack of us asking them to stay.
Post by: dpwb on October 13, 2019, 05:44:36 am
What do you think we should do about the matter?
No idea. A fork is going to be hard to draw people to (both current and future contributors and future players) ... unless it's publicly and loudly announced after some action by Kevin that outrages a LOT of the devs. Or unless we spread a large compilation of all of his offenses and use the outrage possibly generated from that?
I'd like to see that list.
Viva la revolucion, comrade.
Post by: Egan_BW on October 13, 2019, 05:49:19 am
Post by: dpwb on October 13, 2019, 05:54:10 am
I've just realised something. Many people, in arguments about Kevin's strict interpretation of what the game should be about, say "well, it's really Kevin's game, you should be grateful he lets you work on it." But... It's not Kevin's game, because other devs have worked on it. He didn't write all the code that makes up CDDA. They did. That code, and thus most of the game, is theirs. Sure, they might have signed it over to him or public domain or something - I'm not sure how attribution works in the CDDA project - but ultimately, those contributions aren't his. The only thing he owns is the code as it was given to him by Whales (and he certainly didn't write that either) and any code he himself wrote. Make no mistake: Kevin has control over the GitHub account, but this sure as hell isn't his game.
You do realise, you've just described open-source?
The github repository is his game, anybody can fork it and make their own game, theyd own that one. He can do what he likes with his repository.
Contributors dont own the game collectively, or own their contributions, the license is CC-BY-SA.
Instead of the constant nasty and insulting childish comments about Kevins "offences" , him having the sheer temerity! to make and curate the game he wants to make, how about people fork and make their own.
God forbid somebody makes the game they want to make, they then get people insulting them for years because they arent making the game the vocal hecklers want them to make.
Considering the fact that the game is more popular than ever, and has more contributions from devs than ever before, id say hes doing something right, and it says a lot about the attitude of certain people, that ill be accused of being a "yes-man" and "sucking up" to him, for defending him, its happened before, as if its impossible for an adult to be able to work with another adult on good terms, because they broadly agree and enjoy the games direction, not everything has to be some holy crusade against this nebulous authority figure.
And if you are thinking "I shouldnt have to fork the game" then what you are basically saying is that you assume that Kevin should make the game that *YOU* want him to make, for free, that is definition of entitlement, what about all the people who do like realism simulation? do they matter? how about people accept that their subjective likes and dislikes are just that, subjective, there are a thousand ways to enjoy a game.
For example : in this thread, I personally, was called a "dense fuck" for nerfing the Joint-Torsion Ratchet, even though it fits the theme of the game that Kevin is making for that CBM to be more realistic, its internally consistent.
This is not all aimed at you, specifically, but prompted by this kinda attitude I see in this thread continuously from the usual suspects.
Post by: Eschar on October 13, 2019, 05:55:20 am
What do you think we should do about the matter?
No idea. A fork is going to be hard to draw people to (both current and future contributors and future players) ... unless it's publicly and loudly announced after some action by Kevin that outrages a LOT of the devs. Or unless we spread a large compilation of all of his offenses and use the outrage possibly generated from that?
I'd like to see that list.
Viva la revolucion, comrade.
I'm not familiar with all of them, I'm just going off the general Bay12/Reddit attitude of him. My only contribution so far has been a few spelling/grammar fixes, which don't really mess with realism much.
Realistically though, unless something happens that makes the majority of contributors unhappy with Kevin, a revolution sort of thing will probably just be a distraction to the project (and unless we have an absolutely fabulously watertight case for why [iIall[/i] these people should up and leave, pretty silly-looking too.)
I stand by my annoyance at people who claim that it's "Kevin's game" though, or people who try to bash dissenters over the head about their "lack of gratitude." These people pop up on Reddit occasionally.
I've just realised something. Many people, in arguments about Kevin's strict interpretation of what the game should be about, say "well, it's really Kevin's game, you should be grateful he lets you work on it." But... It's not Kevin's game, because other devs have worked on it. He didn't write all the code that makes up CDDA. They did. That code, and thus most of the game, is theirs. Sure, they might have signed it over to him or public domain or something - I'm not sure how attribution works in the CDDA project - but ultimately, those contributions aren't his. The only thing he owns is the code as it was given to him by Whales (and he certainly didn't write that either) and any code he himself wrote. Make no mistake: Kevin has control over the GitHub account, but this sure as hell isn't his game.
You do realise, you've just described open-source?
The github repository is his game, anybody can fork it and make their own game, theyd own that one. He can do what he likes with his repository.
Contributors dont own the game collectively, or own their contributions, the license is CC-BY-SA.
Instead of the constant nasty and insulting childish comments about Kevins "offences" , him having the sheer temerity! to make and curate the game he wants to make, how about people fork and make their own.
God forbid somebody makes the game they want to make, they then get people insulting them for years because they arent making the game the vocal hecklers want them to make.
Considering the fact that the game is more popular than ever, and has more contributions from devs than ever before, id say hes doing something right, and it says a lot about the attitude of certain people, that ill be accused of being a "yes-man" and "sucking up" to him, for defending him, its happened before, as if its impossible for an adult to be able to work with another adult on good terms, because they broadly agree and enjoy the games direction, no everything has to be some holy crusade against this nebulous authority figure.
I wasn't criticizing Kevin himself in that post. I was dismantling the premises of a certain argument used by a few Redditors. I didn't make that clear, nor was I familiar with what license CDDA uses (as I mentioned), nor am I really familiar with the problems some have with him/the direction he wants to take the game (two different topics, keep in mind, and so I apologise for coming off as a holy crusader ... especially since I tend to turn to turn these sort of conflicts into holy crusades (internally.)
Post by: dpwb on October 13, 2019, 06:50:57 am
Sure, apologies, I was quoting you, as just a useful handle to reply to an amalgamation of the general feel of a few of the other posts.
Post by: Eschar on October 13, 2019, 08:38:21 am
Sure, apologies, I was quoting you, as just a useful handle to reply to an amalgamation of the general feel of a few of the other posts.
Understood. No hard feelings.
Post by: Soadreqm on October 13, 2019, 10:58:30 am
A fork is going to be hard to draw people to (both current and future contributors and future players) ... unless it's publicly and loudly announced after some action by Kevin that outrages a LOT of the devs. Or unless we spread a large compilation of all of his offenses and use the outrage possibly generated from that?The real secret is that it doesn't matter. You don't need other contributors, and you certainly don't need players. If you want to make changes, just make them. If your fork is a better game than mainline, people will start playing it instead. If it isn't, well, I guess that means Kevin is doing something right.
He has a lot of bad ideas about what the game should be like, but if no one is willing to put in the work to fix it, then there's little point in whining.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 13, 2019, 11:05:39 am
Please, if you don't like the survival simulation of the main game
This right here is what some of you don't seem to grasp. Cataclysm was a cyberpunk/post-apoc kitchen sink roguelike, not a survival sim. It was like that through the entire lifespan of the game, including well into DDA, with only a relative handful of realism fetishists. It only became what it is now because Kevin banned or drove off enough contributors and players who disagreed with him. And please, let's not pretend that forking is trivial. It's a full-time job, potentially for years, doing the work of the entire dev community mostly alone for no pay until you attract enough people for things to stabilize.
People dislike Kevin because he fundamentally altered the nature of the base game to suit his own preferences (i.e. clotheswashing farming tedium simulator 2kcurrentyear) while destroying popular playstyles, and because of his socially oblivious, aggressive, nasty attitude towards anyone that doesn't blindly support everything he does.
We didn't start out at the level of vitriol, Kevin escalated it to this point with his own shitty behavior over the course of years.
Post by: Erk on October 13, 2019, 11:39:21 am
Post by: dpwb on October 13, 2019, 11:49:24 am
Please, if you don't like the survival simulation of the main game
This right here is what some of you don't seem to grasp. Cataclysm was a cyberpunk/post-apoc kitchen sink roguelike, not a survival sim. It was like that through the entire lifespan of the game, including well into DDA, with only a relative handful of realism fetishists. It only became what it is now because Kevin banned or drove off enough contributors and players who disagreed with him. And please, let's not pretend that forking is trivial. It's a full-time job, potentially for years, doing the work of the entire dev community mostly alone for no pay until you attract enough people for things to stabilize.
People dislike Kevin because he fundamentally altered the nature of the base game to suit his own preferences (i.e. clotheswashing farming tedium simulator 2kcurrentyear) while destroying popular playstyles, and because of his socially oblivious, aggressive, nasty attitude towards anyone that doesn't blindly support everything he does.
We didn't start out at the level of vitriol, Kevin escalated it to this point with his own shitty behavior over the course of years.
This game is not Cataclysm, it is Cataclysm:DDA, Its not a cyberpunk kitchen-sink roguelike, it is what we define it to be, because we are it's creators.
If Kevin wants to have the game his way, thats his perogative, Kevin always had his vision of the game, and he didnt "drive off" contributors or players who disagreed with him, he didnt indulge in "shitty behaviour".
What you are describing, is someone sticking to their guns and their vision of what the game should be, Kevin wants to make something that has realism as a focus, it being his repo and his project, he is free to do that, people are free to stop contributing or stop playing if they disagree with that direction, and some have, thats entirely their right.
Forking is not trivial, you are right, so the options are it seems, a)play the game that people make for you, for free b) take the effort to fork and do it your own way, or c) be insulting and confuse your subjective opinion as the only objective way a game can be developed, and shout loudly about that any chance you get.
Why would you dislike someone who is making the game they want to make? does he owe you something? is he beholden to make the particular game you want to play? There is no obligation for him to continue in the style of the original Cataclysm, at all, this is his game.
THe game did not become what it is today because people were "driven off" or "banned", there are more contributors than ever before, more players than ever before, the current crop of developers all broadly agree with the games direction, Kevin has always had the realism angle as one of the design goals, but the legacy of the original Cataclysm code has taken a long time to shed off, and is still not fully done.
Think of DDA like a mod to cataclysm, like a survival mod for Skyrim, if you dont like it, dont play it, dont insult the developer just because its not to your taste.
Old versions of DDA still exist, and always will, the original Cataclysm still exists, the freedom to fork the game, it being open-source is there for everyone to modify to their hearts content, the only possible reason I can see for your ire, is that you *expect* the developers to keep giving you what you want, and you throw your toys out the pram when they wont.
Im trying to get into your mindset, you dont want to fork it, you dont want to modify it, you ( apparently ) arent just content to play the old versions, you want, and demand, that the game is developed your way, like it is owed to you or something, I really am struggling with that mindset, and its not just in a "oh man, its a shame that C:DDA went that way" its more in a "these devs are idiots, I dislike them, they make stupid decisions, why wont they do what I want?" way, I dont get it, at all.
Of course he changes it to suit his own preferences, I dont see anything wrong with that, thats called having a vision, one of many possible routes the game could make, I could understand someone being *dissappointed* that the game didnt continue in the style of OG Cataclysm, what I cannot understand is the staggering entitlement to *dislike* someone because they want to do things differently, and offer you the fruits of their thousands of hours of labour, for free.
Thats not to say that no criticism is valid, of course criticism is valid, but from a subjective standpoint, that you may *prefer* the kitchen-sink action roguelike game, the vitriol that you display, that you say you didnt start, is a direct response to someone not obeying your particular narrow vision of what you think they should be doing for you.
Kevin didn't escalate anything, although he can be abrupt and brusque, imagine you are making a game you want to make, you host it on github, its your baby, you then invite people to contribute on it, they start telling you that you should change x and y, you dont want to, you think you want to continue in your original vision.
These people then continue to get more agitated, they demand you change, and acquiesce to their demands, you refuse.
People then get angry, insult you, the other week someone was spamming threads on Reddit telling Kevin to kill himself, for example, they refuse to back down and accept their contributions might not be a good fit to the game as it is designed.
They then throw tantrums, Kevin starts retreating to a space of being curt and not giving his emotional time to deal with that.
Future queries about him changing his vision just get a short " no" or "not happening"
People criticizing his work get ignored, people who try and drum up fake controversies and take up development time with needless drama get banned -
People who dislike the games direction then call him toxic and shitty.
, I should point out, I can only recall a handful of contributors who have been banned, and looking through the github history of why, I can certainly see some reasons for why they were justified.
There is not this exodus of contributors due to his behaviour that you think there was
- when I first started, I did consider him brusque and a bit rude, but I see why that is now, and if I didnt agree with this design decisions, you know what id do? id stop contributing, I wouldnt demand change and throw tantrums, and neither of us would be in the wrong for sticking to our guns.
This all comes from a place of obscene entitlement. Please examine what you are saying, someone is making a project in their free time, to make a game they want to play, anybody else who enjoys it is a bonus, if its not for you anymore, then its not for you anymore, we do not owe you anything, and we are not wrong or stupid or "dense fucks" as you called me, to not choose the direction you think it should go in.
Heres a question, if you *did* make a fork of DDA, to suit your particular tastes, would you then be obligated to keep everyone happy who enjoyed DDA? Id imagine not, you would have made the fork specifically *because* you disagreed with DDAs decision, ergo, you would make it the way you want.
What if someone started insulting you and saying you need to make your fork more realistic, what would you say to them?
This is the same situation, there is no obligation for the original Cataclysm design to continue into someone elses project.
Post by: Robsoie on October 13, 2019, 12:39:00 pm
Or are there too many game systems hardcoded that can't be modified with the mod system ?
If it's possible this would be the better solution then, this way as a mod it would have nothing to do with any direction or decision of CDDA itself and could be developped independantly without any impact on other people enjoyment of the default CDDA.
Now if too much is hardcoded , i guess out of a fork it's hopeless, and with how much work it is to maintain a fork without additional coders it's hopeless anyways.
Post by: Rince Wind on October 13, 2019, 12:43:09 pm
Post by: Eschar on October 13, 2019, 12:45:39 pm
Post by: Erk on October 13, 2019, 12:49:53 pm
Instead of forking and going the same way as in the past forks with lack of devs, leading to too much work for a single guy, leading to project being abandoned is it actually possible to use the mod system of CDDA to recreate the original Cataclysm gameplay and content ?
Or are there too many game systems hardcoded that can't be modified with the mod system ?
If it's possible this would be the better solution then, this way as a mod it would have nothing to do with any direction or decision of CDDA itself and could be developped independantly without any impact on other people enjoyment of the default CDDA.
Now if too much is hardcoded , i guess out of a fork it's hopeless, and with how much work it is to maintain a fork without additional coders it's hopeless anyways.
The exact gameplay? No, probably not. If you wanted the exact gameplay, you could load up the original though. A similar game with several changes you didn't like removed, but taking advantage of improvements? Yes. You'd even be allowed to integrate code support for it, as demonstrated with magiclysm. That's what both Aftershock and Bright Nights were meant to be, but neither are being maintained (and we merged them together when Aftershock was abandoned so as not to have two unmaintained similar projects). Someone who wanted to do this would be quite welcome in the main project; there's certainly a niche for a cyberpunk near future game like the original cataclysm, it's just not what we're making in the core game.
Post by: Robsoie on October 13, 2019, 12:55:49 pm
Post by: dpwb on October 13, 2019, 01:12:30 pm
Ah now that's interesting ,as this could keep devs inside of the project instead of them leaving for disagreeing with the main direction.
Well theres little danger of that with the current devs, we're all in broad agreement with the main direction.
The main reason we accept a more sci-fi mod into the fold and encourage people contributing to it, is that then hopefully we get less noise and complaining, because then we can point to that and say "play that mod", instead of people demanding we change what we are doing.
Post by: Soadreqm on October 13, 2019, 01:41:45 pm
Instead of forking and going the same way as in the past forks with lack of devs, leading to too much work for a single guy, leading to project being abandoned is it actually possible to use the mod system of CDDA to recreate the original Cataclysm gameplay and content ?Whales made the original Cataclysm by himself. If you don't feel like putting in the effort, that's fine, but there's nothing hopeless about it.
Or are there too many game systems hardcoded that can't be modified with the mod system ?
If it's possible this would be the better solution then, this way as a mod it would have nothing to do with any direction or decision of CDDA itself and could be developped independantly without any impact on other people enjoyment of the default CDDA.
Now if too much is hardcoded , i guess out of a fork it's hopeless, and with how much work it is to maintain a fork without additional coders it's hopeless anyways.
Also, I don't think making drastic gameplay changes by editing the json files would necessarily be any easier than just editing the code. Sure, you wouldn't need to recompile the game to test it, but major changes are still going to be a lot of work, no matter the language.
Post by: Erk on October 13, 2019, 01:48:19 pm
Ah now that's interesting ,as this could keep devs inside of the project instead of them leaving for disagreeing with the main direction.
You guys keep bringing that up as if it's a major risk... the newest devs have been here over a year now, and most quite a lot longer. We became devs because we like the game Kevin wants to make and we also want to see it made. It's not like he has some kind of psionic sway over us.
Post by: Robsoie on October 13, 2019, 03:33:03 pm
If those disagreements could have instead be possible to get implemented through the mod system instead of working around hardcoded stuff, maybe he wouldn't have burned himself out with the forking (+ probably no other contributors didn't helped) and he would still contribute.
Oh and it's not a finger pointing to some devs or specific individual by the way as it's understandable that people disagree in a project or have different idea on which direction it must take, it's pointing that mods are good and can potentially settle things before they get heated.
Post by: Erk on October 13, 2019, 03:43:51 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 13, 2019, 04:13:14 pm
Post by: Erk on October 13, 2019, 09:05:51 pm
Post by: Eschar on October 14, 2019, 06:45:05 am
Damn, they always get me in the fine print. Well, apparently if I leave I owe Kevin my firstborn, so I guess I'll wait for when he's a teenager.
You're expected to train your firstborn in the art of C++ as well, so that the project doesn't lose net contributors if you leave. Eventually, there will be ancient lines of contributors, with warring dynasties shifting in allegiance day by day.
"Your father's brackets ... an elegant weapon from a more civilized age."
Post by: Kaitol on October 14, 2019, 05:05:00 pm
The problem is, if Kevin wanted to change the game so drastically, why didn't he make his own fork in the early days? Why did he wait, and cooperate with the several previous owners and the community's vision of the game for YEARS until he was finally handed control, and then make his drastic changes and sudden complete shift of gameplay priorities?
If kevin wanted it to be his own game, then he should have made his own fork rather than working on the community version for years. It isn't his game, it's the game of everyone who contributed to it, it is the community's game. He was handed control of the GitHub and everything else with the understanding that he appreciated that and intended to continue in the same vein with an open, friendly, community-oriented project. And the fact that he now treats it like it's his own sole property and work is one of the big strikes against him.
Post by: Soadreqm on October 15, 2019, 01:55:30 am
Post by: azmodean on October 15, 2019, 02:29:48 am
What the hell have I ever done to all of you? Have I kidnapped your first-borns? I'm making the game that I WANT, and if you don't like it then you're free to fork it and make your own game without the big bad evil Kevin. Bitching about it on here will not do anything.
Fuck you, you are banished from CDDA. All of you. Stop playing my game if you hate it so much or make your own. Whatever you do, you're no longer welcome in my community. Not that you were ever a big part of it anyways, all you do is sit on this dark corner of the internet and shittalk me since Toady doesn't have the decency to stop this.
Post by: King Zultan on October 15, 2019, 04:29:30 am
Not that you were ever a big part of it anyways,If I remember right Cataclysm started out here, and a lot of the original contributors for CDDA came from here.
Also when you say "you are banished from CDDA" is that referring to one person, the entire thread, or is it all of Bay12?
Post by: Yoink on October 15, 2019, 04:47:01 am
Whenever one needs a fix of ridiculous internet drama, this thread never disappoints. I've gotten far more entertainment from the shitfights in here than I ever did from the game itself. xD
Post by: King Zultan on October 15, 2019, 04:51:46 am
Post by: Yoink on October 15, 2019, 04:54:32 am
Or maybe a management sim.
Post by: NullForceOmega on October 15, 2019, 04:59:11 am
That thing you just did.
Being a dictatorial jerk to everyone who disagrees with you and acting like you're god's gift to game development because you're keeping afloat and relevant a game that was abandoned by it's actual creator.
Someone disagrees with or criticizes you and you say stupid goddamn shit like "You're banished", like a goddamn tinpot dictator. You actively belittle others, treat them like expendable tools, and then say shit like "It's MY game". It fucking isn't. That's what open source means. It means "Open to the public". Other people like your direction, and you know what? I actually think that's pretty cool. I don't like your direction, I think your ideas about realism are founded on bad information, and your concept of good gameplay is tedious and asinine, but the fact that you have an audience is really awesome.
If only you weren't so fucking thin-skinned that you have to turn everyone who doesn't adhere to your myopic vision into a pariah, people would probably be less a lot less inclined to treat you the way you are being treated.
But obviously "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" isn't something you understand.
Why are you even here? You've made it painfully clear that you don't like us, you don't want our input, and that you think this thread is a waste of time. So why the fuck do you even keep coming back? Why the fuck do you even care what we say about you, since you obviously think so fucking little of us?
How about you actually leave, instead of dropping by to announce that we aren't welcome in your community? Because, newsflash, this isn't your goddamn community here. This is Bay12, not Kevin's playground. And we can say whatever we damn well please as long as it doesn't violate forum guidelines. And only Toady can decide when that happens, so how about instead of this arrogant 'tude you're spouting, you use the tools provided, and report people instead, so Toady can actually review the posts and make that decision. And if you have already done so, then DON'T ENGAGE.
Toady, If this does reach you, I am sorry, But I really felt that this needed to be said.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 15, 2019, 08:52:40 am
I realized that Null was talking to Azmodean.
Post by: scriver on October 15, 2019, 09:07:00 am
Not that you were ever a big part of it anyways,If I remember right Cataclysm started out here, and a lot of the original contributors for CDDA came from here.
Also when you say "you are banished from CDDA" is that referring to one person, the entire thread, or is it all of Bay12?
There literally wouldn't be a DDA if it wasn't for Bay12. The whole team which gathered when DDA started was basically members of Bay12, formed through Bay12. The kickstarter was run by Bay12 members (not that I remember how that turned out). This has pretty much always been like a secondary forum for Cataclysm going back to as far as when whales used to come here himself.
Post by: azmodean on October 15, 2019, 11:35:44 am
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 15, 2019, 12:12:27 pm
Well that's great, I was successfully avoiding replying to the idiocy here and someone compromised my account and made that bizarre post. I know people are going to be sceptical of that, maybe the forum owners can confirm that post came from an ip address that I don't use.
Really? That seems like bullshit to me. I've been avoiding this thread because you blame me for stirring things up, and last I checked you stopped replying to this thread because you were fed up with the long list of people objecting to your attitude towards criticism of the project. I find it kinda unlikely when that's the sort of overreaction that people have criticized you for.
Plus, it's not like you haven't banned people from areas you have control over, and attempted to push people out of communities you don't, over things that most of your critics would describe as inane. Threatening to ban contributors for taking part in dissent against you in another community would be consistent with that.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on October 15, 2019, 01:48:43 pm
Post by: Erk on October 15, 2019, 02:50:48 pm
Anyway I don't expect anyone who already felt Kevin was some kind of despot for how he chooses to administer his branch of an open source project will believe anything without IP evidence, so there's probably not much point in a half dozen people all expressing their skepticism.
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 15, 2019, 02:58:17 pm
Anyway I don't expect anyone who already felt Kevin was some kind of despot for how he chooses to administer his branch of an open source project will believe anything without IP evidence, so there's probably not much point in a half dozen people all expressing their skepticism.
And I don't expect anyone who has legitimately been hacked for an implausible reason, to say something he would already be likely to say, to have any reason not to potentially dox an alleged hacker. If he has the IP he claims to be from this hacking, then he should feel free to provide it publicly. Otherwise, we will be acting on the assumption that he said this himself, and your automatically assuming he did not make this outburst himself confirms your own bias in this matter.
Post by: Erk on October 15, 2019, 03:08:38 pm
Where am I automatically assuming anything? Obviously I believe my friend's story, because I'm not an asshole, but I rather pointedly didn't make any statements about it because I consider that both obvious and irrelevant.
And I don't expect anyone who has legitimately been hacked for an implausible reason, to say something he would already be likely to say, to have any reason not to potentially dox an alleged hacker. If he has the IP he claims to be from this hacking, then he should feel free to provide it publicly. Otherwise, we will be acting on the assumption that he said this himself, and your automatically assuming he did not make this outburst himself confirms your own bias in this matter.
I don't think Kevin was aware viewers can see their own IPs here. I certainly wasn't, and I have been on this forum for years.
Post by: Soadreqm on October 15, 2019, 03:42:49 pm
Well that's great, I was successfully avoiding replying to the idiocy here and someone compromised my account and made that bizarre post. I know people are going to be sceptical of that, maybe the forum owners can confirm that post came from an ip address that I don't use.I'll believe this, since it seems more likely than someone who would sincerely use a phrase like "you are banished from CDDA" also having the self-awareness to backpedal.
Remember to use strong passwords, kids.
Post by: Erk on October 15, 2019, 04:21:45 pm
Well that's great, I was successfully avoiding replying to the idiocy here and someone compromised my account and made that bizarre post. I know people are going to be sceptical of that, maybe the forum owners can confirm that post came from an ip address that I don't use.I'll believe this, since it seems more likely than someone who would sincerely use a phrase like "you are banished from CDDA" also having the self-awareness to backpedal.
Remember to use strong passwords, kids.
Joke's on you, my password is literally strong_password.
Post by: Sergius on October 15, 2019, 04:36:52 pm
Post by: scourge728 on October 15, 2019, 04:40:23 pm
Post by: Eschar on October 15, 2019, 04:40:32 pm
Also: "you're banished"? The phrasing of that entire post is fucking hilarious.
It does seem a bit of a stretch, but I'm going to go with the "wait and get proof of whether that was Kevin's IP or not" people, since as already noted I'm not personally involved in this conflict - and I know I apologized for using revolution/conflict language, but it's definitely a conflict now - and thus don't have much experience as to Kevin's mannerisms. Though this also means that unlike Erk I have no attachment/loyalty to Kevin. (I can appreciate your value of loyalty, Erk, even if it turns out Kevin did write that post.)
Again: this is all hilarious.
Post by: Eschar on October 15, 2019, 04:41:01 pm
How does one see their own IP here?
It's in the lower right corner of your own posts.
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 15, 2019, 04:42:51 pm
"Hey idiots, someone hacked my account to call you all idiots! Wasn't me you idiots!" seems to stretch credulity a bit.
That's...pretty sig-worthy.
Post by: Eschar on October 15, 2019, 04:53:37 pm
FWI, Kevin, if you did post that post, and we confirm it, any respect for you/skepticism of the dissenters I had is out the window, because I can't think of any way the post could have been more childish.
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 15, 2019, 05:00:49 pm
Thing is, you can enter an IP into sites to determine where the IP came from. That Kevin's github profile says he's in Seattle is publicly-available information, so if the "hacker's" IP says it comes from outside Washington then it would confirm this claim without him needing to dox himself.
Post by: Erk on October 15, 2019, 05:20:08 pm
It would be so trivial to post the comment's listed IP that I'm taking that as evidence that the claim is false. The only valid reason you wouldn't post the IP is that you'd be compared to post your native IP as proof too, but this is not truly required.
Thing is, you can enter an IP into sites to determine where the IP came from. That Kevin's github profile says he's in Seattle is publicly-available information, so if the "hacker's" IP says it comes from outside Washington then it would confirm this claim without him needing to dox himself.
I highly doubt he cares enough to try to prove anything; he only knew about the post because dpwb and I were surprised to see him posting here at all. Pretty sure he's leaving it up to toady/threetoe to decide if they want to do anything about it.
Post by: Eschar on October 15, 2019, 05:28:07 pm
TLDR; if you were hacked, you have room to defend yourself rationally against these other accusations; if you weren't, you're a liar, a sophist, and acting in bad faith, and we can ignore you as much as we want.
Oh, and we need Erk's side of the matter; he hasn't had much of a chance to give us his 2 cents.
It would be so trivial to post the comment's listed IP that I'm taking that as evidence that the claim is false. The only valid reason you wouldn't post the IP is that you'd be compared to post your native IP as proof too, but this is not truly required.
Thing is, you can enter an IP into sites to determine where the IP came from. That Kevin's github profile says he's in Seattle is publicly-available information, so if the "hacker's" IP says it comes from outside Washington then it would confirm this claim without him needing to dox himself.
I highly doubt he cares enough to try to prove anything; he only knew about the post because dpwb and I were surprised to see him posting here at all. Pretty sure he's leaving it up to toady/threetoe to decide if they want to do anything about it.
If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying Kevin didn't post here, as he told you he didn't know about the Angry Outburst Post? Evidence in Kevin's favor, then.
Post by: Erk on October 15, 2019, 05:34:24 pm
If Kevin actually did post it and is trolling y'all, well, it would be extremely out of character for him to suddenly recant like that. If he was really that mad, he'd be stubborn as usual and sticking to his guns as posted in the rant.
Post by: Eschar on October 15, 2019, 05:40:40 pm
Let us return to our regularly scheduled discussion of the game itself.
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 15, 2019, 05:43:40 pm
2:30 am his time
Correction: 2:30 AM for GMT-6, WA would be GMT-7 (so 1:30 AM).
Regardless yeah, this seems...unusual. I mean it WOULD be logical if one was not exactly in one's normal mindset, I know I've said stupid shit while riled up, more rarely while not 100% sober, etc. The difference would be I wouldn't claim I didn't say it. :/
Post by: Erk on October 15, 2019, 05:58:47 pm
Regardless yeah, this seems...unusual. I mean it WOULD be logical if one was not exactly in one's normal mindset, I know I've said stupid shit while riled up, more rarely while not 100% sober, etc. The difference would be I wouldn't claim I didn't say it. :/You of all people should know that Kevin isn't typically quick to back down if he says something out of frustration.
Anyway, not sure why I'm continuing to talk about this.
Of more interest, I have been experimenting with ways to render cars in game. It's a challenging thing since our cars look incredibly ridiculous, but I have hit on a few ideas that might hold up. If I can get them worked out, I'll have a beta version of the tileset merged shortly.
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 15, 2019, 06:00:22 pm
You of all people should know that Kevin isn't typically quick to back down if he says something out of frustration.
I'll take that as a compliment. :V
That is indeed...odd. Honestly this just seems kinda weird either way.
Post by: Toady One on October 15, 2019, 06:10:17 pm
The OP of this thread is (relatively) inactive. Should we switch to a new one that can stay on track? It's fine to talk about developments and so forth, including dev teams and all that, and criticizing development (while not flinging insults, per guidelines), but this has gotten a little repetitive and if sufficient people want to talk about the game as it is currently being developed, that seems reasonable, but a more strongly defined opening post would be necessary for that.
Post by: Eschar on October 15, 2019, 06:15:12 pm
What are some of your ideas for rendering the cars Erk?
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 15, 2019, 06:20:23 pm
And agreed, I'd be interested to see that Erk. I know that one of the users on the discord has likewise expressed an interest in making the tanks in tankmod look more like tanks, as representing the appearance of a tank within the limits of the vehicle system was one of the main things I struggled with back when I added them.
Post by: Erk on October 15, 2019, 06:34:48 pm
Also probably of interest, the alpha version of the total tileset is looking like this now:
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/11464/66855945-a8255b80-ef30-11e9-9bc1-11c6b478e650.png (https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/11464/66855945-a8255b80-ef30-11e9-9bc1-11c6b478e650.png). Still lots of little things to clear up but as I work on the higher-impact tiles it rapidly approaches playability. The community is doing a great job rallying to help make new art.
Post by: Random_Dragon on October 15, 2019, 07:13:04 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 15, 2019, 07:15:43 pm
Post by: Erk on October 15, 2019, 08:55:37 pm
Post by: n9103 on October 15, 2019, 09:59:57 pm
The topic really does suffer from not having a thread maintainer and reliable OP.
Post by: Eschar on October 15, 2019, 10:22:32 pm
Post by: pisskop on October 15, 2019, 10:26:42 pm
Post by: Erk on October 16, 2019, 12:11:04 am
I've made a new thread at http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174824.0 - I was already considering it, so a few votes tipped me over to "okay sure". As I said over there, I'll try to post some changelog highlights and some other general dev stuff.
Post by: scriver on October 16, 2019, 10:18:42 am
It would be so trivial to post the comment's listed IP that I'm taking that as evidence that the claim is false. The only valid reason you wouldn't post the IP is that you'd be compared to post your native IP as proof too, but this is not truly required.
Thing is, you can enter an IP into sites to determine where the IP came from. That Kevin's github profile says he's in Seattle is publicly-available information, so if the "hacker's" IP says it comes from outside Washington then it would confirm this claim without him needing to dox himself.
I highly doubt he cares enough to try to prove anything; he only knew about the post because dpwb and I were surprised to see him posting here at all. Pretty sure he's leaving it up to toady/threetoe to decide if they want to do anything about it.
If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying Kevin didn't post here, as he told you he didn't know about the Angry Outburst Post? Evidence in Kevin's favor, then.
Not if he had already regretted posting it by then.