Post by: webadict on January 19, 2014, 11:19:18 am
“Once, in long past archaic days of yore, there existed a grouping of students numbering anywhere betwixt the numbering of a dozen and the numbering of fourteen. This grouping of post-primary school scholars found themselves in a predicament not seen since the days of the long lost Robosaurus.”
You remember that story. Something about the last known dinosaur turning himself into a robot-angel thing and fighting off a giant space-dragon or something. Regardless you continue reading only to find that the writing style has changed.
“The kids were in school because of learning. Unfortunately they knew their learning days were limited due to the giant-ass meteor flying towards the planet.”
What? But… That’s what was happening to you and your friends right now… Counting it out in your head you found that your friends numbered twelve. Including you that was thirteen. Terrified you turned back to the book and found it had changed style again.
“.ot yaw ylno eht dnA”
You looked away because you didn’t want to go through the trouble of reading backwards.
“Wuz g01ng bk 2.”
No l33t-sp3ak plox.
“Just go into the class-room okay? You and your moron friends need to figure out who used me to summon the meteor.”
“Well that’s not very nice…” You sigh out to the book.
“Neither is you looking up the future.”
“Fair enough.” Standing up you place the book into its designated spot in the “Plot-Conveyance Mandatory Reading” cubby and head back down to class. Several of your friends are discussing how the class president came to power.
You sighed as you sat down in the converstation wondering how many of them knew what was going on with the meteor. If only you knew what this “Mandatory” meant. Hey, maybe you should force your friends to read it too! But it was too late, the bell rang. No leaving class until Mr. Badict said you could.
Smstr W / Love is a slight bastard mafia game, co-hosted by Nerjin and myself. What this means is that mechanics might be slightly changed from a normal mafia game, but we won't be able to straight lie to you. We may withhold information, but nothing told to you will be a full lie.
Some minor details (rules):
1: Please don't quote the mod. You will get a failing grade.
2: Please don't abuse your classmates. You will be sent to the principal's office.
3: Please be sure to participate fully in class discussions. You will be docked points otherwise.
4: Classroom discussions will likely last for 72 hours. Each student may choose to extend this for another 24 hours once. You will also not have to be in school on weekends.
5: If a majority vote is reached, classroom discussions may end early.
6: Please be sure to do your homework on time. Send in your Night actions as soon as possible or get detention.
7: Please don't forget your importance in the game. You will be sent into the hallway to think about your decisions.
Join me for a semester with love.
I hope you enjoy it.
Players:
TheDarkStar
mastahcheese
4maskwolf
Leafsnail
HissihnWalnuts
Caz
MyOwnWorstEnemy
RangerCado
Tiruin
Hapah
Toaster
notquitethere
makeinu
This can no longer be you!
Replacements:
Persus13
TheWetSheep
darkpaladin109
But this could still be you!
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 19, 2014, 03:20:30 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 19, 2014, 04:06:34 pm
What level of player experience are you looking for here?
Probably enough that you know what's going on and can deal with slightly odd rules, but not much more.
Also, IN for me.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 19, 2014, 06:22:19 pm
Otherwise, looks like fun to watch.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 19, 2014, 06:24:19 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on January 19, 2014, 07:24:26 pm
Post by: Vector on January 19, 2014, 10:19:11 pm
I might have to. Damn.
Post by: Tiruin on January 20, 2014, 12:24:37 am
NghI think you mispronounced 'In'. :P
I might have to. Damn.
In.
Ooooo, Nerjin being a bastard mod? Interesting.
If total noobs are permitted (I'm partway through the current BM, and that's all), I'll IN.Total noobs my pseudonym. :I
Otherwise, looks like fun to watch.
Y'all aren't total noobs as much as I'm an experienced player. Just in here, and grab what you know! I don't think Webby/Nerjin holds a hard boundary on player experience, as long as they know how to play (and play correctly) that'll be enough.
Query: Define "Detention".
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 20, 2014, 02:35:59 am
Post by: Caz on January 20, 2014, 04:49:10 am
Post by: Silthuri on January 20, 2014, 09:02:13 am
Post by: webadict on January 20, 2014, 10:21:48 am
What level of player experience are you looking for here?All I ever ask is that you commit yourself to the game and don't leave. Sometimes, this is not possible, and I understand, but if you can play the whole game, you can play.
In, always up for a bastard game.It's not a full bastard, but there are elements in it that would certain qualify as bastard-like.
Post by: Nerjin on January 20, 2014, 10:33:45 am
Post by: webadict on January 20, 2014, 10:37:03 am
Fun fact: I hadn't actually had this thing notifying me. So uh... Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss.... Also, Spoil-spec if you please.No way, nerd.
Post by: Nerjin on January 20, 2014, 10:39:57 am
Come along patsy.
Post by: Persus13 on January 20, 2014, 10:59:56 am
Post by: RangerCado on January 21, 2014, 02:34:05 pm
Post by: TheWetSheep on January 21, 2014, 10:01:18 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 22, 2014, 06:58:37 am
Post by: webadict on January 22, 2014, 09:39:17 am
Out?!?
Post by: Tiruin on January 22, 2014, 09:48:17 am
Yeah!
>_>
Post by: webadict on January 22, 2014, 10:08:56 am
Err..um. Ignore that. That has no connection to anything that happened at the post's time at all. I am not actually outing, I'm in-ing. Always have been. I..I just asked permission to get some fresh air instead of this classroom atmosphere.Um...
Yeah!
>_>
Alright. If you need to out, you can, just fyi.
Post by: Tiruin on January 22, 2014, 10:13:13 am
Post by: webadict on January 22, 2014, 02:02:34 pm
I know I can. I just misspelled...something with -out. :ITrout?
Post by: webadict on January 22, 2014, 02:07:21 pm
Post by: Hapah on January 22, 2014, 02:48:51 pm
Also, where are you last remaining four souls?Thinkin' about it.
Post by: webadict on January 22, 2014, 03:29:55 pm
What could go wrong?don't say everything don't say everything don't say everything don't say everythingAlso, where are you last remaining four souls?Thinkin' about it.
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 22, 2014, 04:17:24 pm
Also, where are you last remaining four souls?
Watching because school and stuff.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 22, 2014, 04:48:00 pm
Anything.What could go wrong?don't say everything don't say everything don't say everything don't say everythingAlso, where are you last remaining four souls?Thinkin' about it.
Post by: Nerjin on January 22, 2014, 04:59:30 pm
Also, where are you last remaining four souls?
Watching because school and stuff.
Sorry Jim this really isn't a role-play thing. But I mean if you want to roleplay this that's fine but you could at least wait for the game to start.
Post by: Hapah on January 22, 2014, 05:09:31 pm
And everything.Anything.What could go wrong?don't say everything don't say everything don't say everything don't say everythingAlso, where are you last remaining four souls?Thinkin' about it.
Sure, let's have a go at it. 3 more!
Post by: webadict on January 22, 2014, 05:54:10 pm
Tohohoho!Also, where are you last remaining four souls?
Watching because school and stuff.
Sorry Jim this really isn't a role-play thing. But I mean if you want to roleplay this that's fine but you could at least wait for the game to start.
Post by: notquitethere on January 23, 2014, 04:23:23 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2014, 09:54:18 am
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Classroom discussions will likely last for 72 hours. Each student may choose to extend this for another 24 hours once. You will also not have to be in school on weekends.^Gonna have to hard tack this one down for memory. >:I Seems sorta vulnerable to tell-use in the future.
Post by: webadict on January 23, 2014, 09:55:04 am
I'm tempted, but I'm still not sure about closed settings. How fair will this be to the player?Since this is only slightly bastardly, fairly fair. I am, in no way, trying to make the game unfair for any player, but some players may have easier ways to win than others. Some aspects of your role may be hidden, but they will show up if they happen.
And I've done the balancing, so you know it's just the right amount of broken.
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2014, 09:56:45 am
Anyway, trust webadict here NQT. :) I doubt secretfunsurpriseHFS would be a prevailing idea around here.
Post by: Persus13 on January 23, 2014, 09:58:22 am
Post by: Leafsnail on January 23, 2014, 10:00:11 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2014, 10:05:13 am
Bastard games shouldn't be unfair anyway. They should be puzzling.^
...
I still wonder how you answered Vector's puzzle, Leafsnail. :-\
Post by: Toaster on January 23, 2014, 11:08:00 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 23, 2014, 11:21:35 am
Post by: Nerjin on January 23, 2014, 11:24:32 am
Well alright I'll be IN to win. I'm trusting you Webadict
A good choice. From what I've seen it's a pretty fair set-up.
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and Nerjin. You better not let me down.
Less of a good choice. I'm really just salt for this game. I make it flavorful.
Post by: webadict on January 23, 2014, 01:08:04 pm
What! You're a part of this too. Though I guess you're free to do as much as you want. Your flavor is integral to the story.Well alright I'll be IN to win. I'm trusting you Webadict
A good choice. From what I've seen it's a pretty fair set-up.Quoteand Nerjin. You better not let me down.
Less of a good choice. I'm really just salt for this game. I make it flavorful.
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 23, 2014, 01:12:33 pm
Oh fine. Now NQT and Jim have to join too because I said so.
I can't join a full game.
(Also I'm waiting for Iron Diadem to start and don't want to play two games at the same time. Sorry.)
Post by: makeinu on January 23, 2014, 01:31:58 pm
IN.
Post by: Persus13 on January 23, 2014, 01:37:54 pm
Post by: webadict on January 23, 2014, 02:29:54 pm
Post by: zombie urist on January 23, 2014, 02:43:06 pm
Post by: Shakerag on January 23, 2014, 03:04:46 pm
Game will begin when I get home. In several hours. Muahahah!Translation: Game will begin in early February.
Post by: webadict on January 23, 2014, 03:18:32 pm
Gotta eat dinner.Game will begin when I get home. In several hours. Muahahah!Translation: Game will begin in early February.
Post by: Toaster on January 23, 2014, 03:18:46 pm
Post by: darkpaladin109 on January 23, 2014, 04:13:56 pm
Post by: webadict on January 23, 2014, 04:46:03 pm
If you're still acepting players and accept noobs, count me in.Ah, sorry. The game is full. I'm on my phone so I haven't updated it yet.
Post by: Nerjin on January 23, 2014, 04:47:52 pm
If you're still acepting players and accept noobs, count me in.Ah, sorry. The game is full. I'm on my phone so I haven't updated it yet.
You can, however, apply to be a replacement for when/if people start dropping out.
Post by: darkpaladin109 on January 23, 2014, 05:19:05 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on January 23, 2014, 07:34:44 pm
...I explained most of my reasoning in this quicktopic:
I still wonder how you answered Vector's puzzle, Leafsnail. :-\
http://quicktopic.com/50/H/E9tryJQqSnd34
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2014, 07:46:09 pm
Thanks. :)
Anywhoo, since the roles are pre-made Web, how fun can you tell us its gonna be? Puzzle-y fun or...? Just a hint, if you can.
Post by: webadict on January 23, 2014, 08:47:30 pm
Oops. :X Missed that. I was initially thinking about 'how did it originate', and forgot aaaall about it.Hmmm...
Thanks. :)
Anywhoo, since the roles are pre-made Web, how fun can you tell us its gonna be? Puzzle-y fun or...? Just a hint, if you can.
No hints for you! But I'm home and dinner has just been served, so let's get these role sent. I have to do some minor sorting, but afterwards, everything's ready to go!
Post by: webadict on January 23, 2014, 10:02:01 pm
Post by: Nerjin on January 23, 2014, 10:03:16 pm
Post by: webadict on January 23, 2014, 10:22:38 pm
With several moments before class started the thirteen assembled students began talking as teenagers generally do. Well they would have if the Class President notquitethere had not spoken up first.
“So… Which of you guys summoned the meteor?” She asked glancing around to the other twelve students.
“Processing…” stated one of the others.
“What?”
“Error: Require Warmnumnum.exe”
“Too right my good looking friend,” The class flirt stated “I fear I may lose out on true love due to this meteor business.”
“Wait, how do we know one of us did it?” The class nerd asked.
“Well it would actually require three people to do so. It’s part of the dark tomes requirements.”
“So you did it?” notquitethere asked as she stared enviously at the new-comers hat. If only the President had such a elegant crown for herself.
“What? No, it’s written on the black-board.”
Indeed, the blackboard read as follows: Attention students, I will be several moments late due to various circumstances. By the way, the book Dark Rituals of Rock Summoning requires three people to summon meteors. –Signed Mr. Wub Badict
“Well… That’s dreadfully convenient isn’t it? So… What should we do until he shows up?” The Class President asked.
“Isn’t it obvious? We find out who did this-“ Stated a brooding kid dressed as an inquisitor because he doesn’t listen to your rules “and we bring them to justice.”
“Kill them!?” Everyone else asked at once.
“What? No! No, that’d be awful! We just… I dunno.”
“Well I guess we’ll vote on it,” The Class President stated before she paused “Oh wait, I make the decisions, we’re doing that.”
In case you can't read, notquitethere is your Class President, and who would ever elect a corrupt politician? so, she's totally Good.
So, you're probably asking yourself, "WTF IS AN ITEM?"
Well, it's a holdable item. And you have to give it away at the end of each Night, or I'll choose a target for you!
[Items] look like this, and have the description following it,
(Auto) followed by the action here.
Aaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil. Have fun. Ask away, foolish fools. I'm sure I forgot to explain something.
notquitethere is Confirmed Not Evil.
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz -
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
Leafsnail -
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
notquitethere -
RangerCado -
TheDarkStar -
Tiruin -
Toaster -
Not Voting - 4maskwolf, Caz, Hapah, HissihnWalnuts, Leafsnail, makeinu, mastahcheese, MyOwnWorstEnemy, notquitethere, RangerCado, TheDarkStar, Tiruin, Toaster,
7 To Hammer. Day Ends Tuesday 9 PM Central.
Post by: Toaster on January 23, 2014, 10:29:16 pm
HissihnWalnuts: How familiar are you with Mafia? Have you read any games here?
Leafsnail: How will you balance puzzle solving versus hunting scum?
Tiruin: What would you do to someone you think is hunting scum too much to puzzle solve?
Makeinu: What would you do to someone you think is puzzle solving too much to hunt scum?
Post by: mastahcheese on January 23, 2014, 10:52:01 pm
4maskwolf: You're the cop, or whatever the cop equivalent is that this game has, and someone is pressing down hard on you, convinced you're evil. What would you do?
makeinu: So you've narrowed down some of the people that are Not Evil, from some careful observation, and one of them is attacking you, what do you do?
MyOwnWorstEnemy: Someone who is pretty much generally agreed to be Not Evil is attacking you. You are also Not Evil, but haven't convinced anyone else of this very well. What do you do?
notquitethere: So you're confirmed Not Evil. If some strange circumstance occurred that would label you as Evil, what would you do?
RangerCado: You're Evil. Someone just Roleclaimed themselves as the cop or cop equivalent and claimed that you are Evil. What do you do?
Tiruin: You're the doctor/jail keeper or doctor/jail keeper equivalent. You protected a person in the night, but they got killed anyway. Now what?
Toaster: You're the cop or cop equivalent. You've just discovered that someone who is well trusted as a member of the Not Evil group is, in fact, Evil. What is your next move?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 23, 2014, 11:07:03 pm
Makeinu: In the last game of BM, you were scum and lynched Day 1. What would you have done differently, thinking back on it?
And Mastahcheese: Last time, my first game, I went into panic mode and claimed, causing my lynching due to skepticism. I ended up achieving nothing, as the confirmed townie was NK'd that night. Now, I know more, am slightly more experienced. I would push hard on someone that I thought was acting suspicious, and try to force a slip-up to get the pressure off of me.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 23, 2014, 11:15:19 pm
Mastahcheese: you are the doctor and have two obvious choices: a confirmed townie or an unconfirmed but claimed cop. Which one do you try to protect?
MOWE: You are being pushed hard by someone who you find to be highly suspicious. However, you lack a good case against this person. What do you do?
Post by: Toaster on January 23, 2014, 11:20:44 pm
... Preview is your friend
Yes it is.
Mastahcheese:
Toaster: You're the cop or cop equivalent. You've just discovered that someone who is well trusted as a member of the Not Evil group is, in fact, Evil. What is your next move?
Claim them out. This information needs to get out while I yet live. Even if it's not trusted right away, then at least it should be regarded as such upon my flip.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 23, 2014, 11:37:31 pm
Post by: Hapah on January 24, 2014, 12:01:28 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 12:53:21 am
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Web: Do genders matter in this game?
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Today’s lunch will consist of roast beef, beef wellington, and mashed beef-tatoes...This is a feast. T_T
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With several moments before class started the thirteen assembled students began talking as teenagers generally do..Which is...how? I cannot relate. :P
Toaster
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Tiruin: What would you do to someone you think is hunting scum too much to puzzle solve?...Timeframe? Because I'd be querying his priorities--as in, poke at what exactly he's saying and, well, my action would generally be subjective however I'd revolve around the same thing I do to everyone-scumhhunting or not; poke poke poke. Query on their intent/motive, and context.
I figure there's something behind why you asked me such a question, yes?
Master Cheddar
Tiruin: You're the doctor/jail keeper or doctor/jail keeper equivalent. You protected a person in the night, but they got killed anyway. Now what?Let me put my response in rhetoric, behind the guise of two speakers.
Spoiler: What I will say (click to show/hide)
Why explicitly a doc/jailkeep?
Webbyweb: Are we all set with roles that are all sane? As in, none of the funny bastardy insane variants which report opposites instead?
4mask: What made you think NQT is a player?
Webadict:...Is NQT a player?
PFP
Caz: Could you describe how you'd treat bad play, and scummy play? Any distinction between the two?
H.Walnuts: I'm abbreviating your name because I can't spell Hissing. :I
Anyway, I...recall you from before. Somewhere. You seem somewhat new anyway-could you detail what you've learned from forum mafia and the BM's, in general?
MyOwnWorstEnemy: Hi! You.
Let me define a scenario: It is Day one and a player has committed quite a lot of mistakes-communication and logical flaws: what will you basically do in regard to that person's action?
TheDarkStar :D o/
Could you tell us what you've learned from forum mafia in general? How would you act when someone is voting you--what would you initially think, and how would you respond?
Toaster: Thoughts on the introductory verse? A bit too macabre, huh.
Also I'd like to ask: How will you treat counterclaims and claims as a general tell?
makeinu~ <3 How're you doing? Given the 'different' setup, what would be your basic priorities in the first place? There's always hunting scum, but do you think there is an underlying puzzle within the context?
Also, how would you treat a scummy looking person-and what tools will you use to do so (mafia context)?
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 12:56:29 am
Kudos to Webadict for the flavor by the way. Not usual he does the flavor at all, if in long speeches. :)
I know all standard role types, but I dont know the factional name replacements.Factional ehh?
..Look at your ability, then connect it to the role with the same-ish ability. That'll give a gist of it.
Post by: Nerjin on January 24, 2014, 01:00:55 am
EBWOP
Kudos to Webadict for the flavor by the way. Not usual he does the flavor at all, if in long speeches. :)
I was pretty surprised by it too, by the way. I literally applauded some of the things he'd sent me. You'll love the post-game wrap-up I'm sure.
Post by: webadict on January 24, 2014, 01:03:51 am
Wuba: Is NQT Confirmed Good or Confirmed Not Evil? Are all 3rd Parties Evil?Yes. I don't know, I've never met a 3rd party.
Web: Do genders matter in this game?Things web hates: Multiple questions in different parts of the post.
Webbyweb: Are we all set with roles that are all sane? As in, none of the funny bastardy insane variants which report opposites instead?
Webadict:...Is NQT a player?
1. Lots of things matter.
2. I would never lie 100% of the time to you, Tiruin.
3. Yes. He joined the game.
EBWOPNerjin wrote the flavor, though. I just came up with the concepts.
Kudos to Webadict for the flavor by the way. Not usual he does the flavor at all, if in long speeches. :)
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 01:12:16 am
Nerjin wrote the flavor, though. I just came up with the concepts...Oh. Dear.
No wonder NQT is there. xD That was awfully nice of you. :)
Web: To continue Hapah's thing..can you expound what is 'evil'? Terminology and all.
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Things web hates: Multiple questions in different parts of the post.:X oops.
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1. Lots of things matter....I.Uh..Really?
3. Yes. He joined the game.
Web: Do we have your word that you (or Nerjin) will not lie at all to us regarding...anything? As in, neutral-voice-modding as always?
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2. I would never lie 100% of the time to you, Tiruin.You'd..never..fully lie to me? ._.
Ok reword.
..Wait, that makes sense. Ok got it.
NQT: "Mr President, sir, I've to ask-why did the teacher have time to write all that? What is holding him up?"
This is totally me trying to interact with the flavor if it can be interacted with. And NQT might actually reply to this making it 14 players!
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 01:15:53 am
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5: If a majority vote is reached, classroom discussions may end early.
...I like this new twist of wording. :I
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 01:20:23 am
..
Meh, I'm leaving that question and adding this:
"Being totally not evil, could you explain if that is connected to...presidential powers, and can you tell how you were elected? I have a memory block. (Also, given the hammer-game, do you know if this is a kingmaker-type game?) ALSO, can you tell me how you're making the decisions, yet letting us decide for you?"
The OP should be updated. :I
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 01:21:02 am
Post by: webadict on January 24, 2014, 02:35:13 am
Web: To continue Hapah's thing..can you expound what is 'evil'? Terminology and all.e·vil
ˈēvəl/
adjective
adjective: evil
1.
profoundly immoral and malevolent.
"his evil deeds"
synonyms: wicked, bad, wrong, immoral, sinful, foul, vile, dishonorable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, reprobate, villainous, nefarious, vicious, malicious; More
malevolent, sinister, demonic, devilish, diabolical, fiendish, dark;
monstrous, shocking, despicable, atrocious, heinous, odious, contemptible, horrible, execrable;
informallowdown, dirty
"an evil deed"
antonyms: good, virtuous
(of a force or spirit) embodying or associated with the forces of the devil.
"we have been driven out of the house by this evil spirit"
harmful or tending to harm.
"the evil effects of high taxes"
synonyms: cruel, mischievous, pernicious, malignant, malign, baleful, vicious; More
destructive, harmful, hurtful, injurious, detrimental, deleterious, inimical, bad, ruinous
"an evil spirit"
antonyms: good, beneficial
(of something seen or smelled) extremely unpleasant.
"a bathroom with an evil smell"
synonyms: unpleasant, disagreeable, nasty, horrible, foul, disgusting, filthy, vile, noxious More
"an evil smell"
antonyms: pleasant
noun
noun: evil
1.
profound immorality, wickedness, and depravity, esp. when regarded as a supernatural force."the world is stalked by relentless evil"
synonyms: wickedness, bad, badness, wrongdoing, sin, ill, immorality, vice, iniquity, degeneracy, corruption, depravity, villainy, nefariousness, malevolence; More
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 05:55:45 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 24, 2014, 08:02:45 am
Good classmates, pat yourselves on the back, the best person for the job is confirmed town. You are not lost and alone in the dark, for I will shine a light and together we will eradicate this evil.
- We will all have titles: I am Class President. These are other roles I've counted so far: robot?, flirt, nerd, crown-wearer*, inquisitor. I already have theories about the possible nature of some of these other titles.
- We have genders, I am Female. The Flirt, for instance, probably has to find an appropriately gendered target (probably male) to fulfil a third party wincon.
- We have to give away our items. Be prepared to justify your choice of target in case of investigations and flips. 'I chose randomly' will not be an acceptable reason.
- It's seriously in the interests of Team Not Evil to keep me alive .
- If you're a useful member of the class, then don't let yourself get mislynched. This means playing proactively, asking questions, pursuing cases etc., rather than just playing defensively.
- Pay attention in class! Give what Wuba says a close reading. Log who people vote. Keep notes on role claims and flips. But don't share any of this information if it can be used for evil by scum.
*This might be an item.
Wuba or Nerjin Are there flips in this game? Are items shown on flip? We have to give away our items before the end of the night, is this always successful or does it get interrupted when you die?
Toaster
NQT: How will you leverage your confirmed townie status?I'm going to try to push town to be as proactive and rational as they can. I'm not going to put up with bogus cases on my watch. I assume you closely read Wuba's game posts so far. Was there anything there that I missed worth mentioning?
Cheese
notquitethere: So you're confirmed Not Evil. If some strange circumstance occurred that would label you as Evil, what would you do?If there was a cult, you mean? I'd continue to play to the best of my ability. Do you have any reason to believe there is a cult yet?
Wolf
NQT: You have had the "honor" of being the one chosen as the confirmed good guy. Do you believe that this puts you at risk, even in a non-standard game like this.Well, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if scum target me for a night actions. I'm going to try to make my day-game as productive as possible. This is the first game we've played together. do you know anything about any of the player's styles?
Walnuts
do you think you have a good grasp of what's going on?
Hapah
Wuba: Is NQT Confirmed Good or Confirmed Not Evil?In case you can't read:
In case you can't read, notquitethere is your Class President, and who would ever elect a corrupt politician? so, she's totally Good.
Are all 3rd Parties Evil?What makes you think there are evil third-parties?
Tiruin
NQT: "Mr President, sir, I've to ask-why did the teacher have time to write all that? What is holding him up?""MR President?! I've never been so insulted. Go sit at the back of the class!"
I don't think you've been paying sufficient attention to Wuba's posts. This doesn't necessarily mean you're scum, but this inattention is hardly going to help us find the evil doers. I'll be expecting a sharp improvement from here on in!
"Being totally not evil, could you explain if that is connected to...presidential powers, and can you tell how you were elected? I have a memory block. (Also, given the hammer-game, do you know if this is a kingmaker-type game?) ALSO, can you tell me how you're making the decisions, yet letting us decide for you?"Wuba said there were seven votes to hammer. Now does that sound like a feature of a Kingmaker game to you? Also, I was elected to the esteemed position of class president mostly due to my humble origins and successful propaganda campaign.
What approach are you going to take to find scum in this game?
Darkstar
How are you going to apply lessons learned about self-presentation (and self-preservation) in this game?
Caz
I think I have a handle on what a scum Caz might look like. Do you think you'll try a different scumtactic in this game?
Leafsnail
I've got a theory about where the roles in this game are coming from. I'm probably wrong. Note that there's an Inquisitor and someone that looks like a Lover role and there's items just like in Roguelike. Could this be a synthesis-of-a-bunch-of-the-subforum-games game? What do think?
makeinu
This is probably a role heavy game, especially with the influence of the items. Very different from a BM. Do you feel you have a good understanding of what to do to win?
MyOwnWorstEnemy
I don't believe we've met. I want a three page essay on mafia theory and the meta-tells of every other player on my desk by the end of the day. Or, alternatively, just tell me a bit about yourself, your experience and your outlook on the game.
RangerCado
Howdy Ranger! Who's asked the least useful question in the game so far?
Post by: RangerCado on January 24, 2014, 10:43:59 am
Caz, Hapah, NQT: What would your preffered role be in this kind of game and why?
HissihnWalnuts: Haven't seen you before either, but as always its a pleasure to see more people here. Which side would you prefer to be a part of in this game and why?
Leafsnail, makeinu, Tiruin: Since we have a pretty much confirmed 3 player scum team, what kind of patterns may crop up among these three interacting and how would you use them to hunt?
mastahcheese, TheDarkStar, Toaster: How big of an affect do you think the mentioned items will have on the game? Could they be the key to solving the puzzle, or a distraction for Town?
MyOwnWorstEnemy: What is your favorite town, mafia, and third party role? Why? And how do you like to use their abilities if any?
Wuba: Are PMs allowed in this game? No mention in the OP and I checked twice to be sure.
RangerCado: You're Evil. Someone just Roleclaimed themselves as the cop or cop equivalent and claimed that you are Evil. What do you do?This would depend on the situation of what other claims have come out, whether its mass claim time yet, and a couple other factors. Generally though, I would consult my Evil buddies about a course of action before reacting too much. If it was mass role-claim time on day 4 or maybe even 3, assuming that I have 1 other buddy, I would question as too why they hadn't claimed this sooner? Maybe try to see if they had been going after me at all during the rest of the game to see if I can find a chink in the story, then exploit it fully. If I can get another town killed before dying, its still a win. All assuming i'm Evil of course.
RangerCadoI would have to say Tiruin due to her not reading the OP very well and causing flood of posts from her... though it could be stress related if she has finals or something soon as mine finish today.
Howdy Ranger! Who's asked the least useful question in the game so far?
And as a general rule for me I will post atleast twice a day on this game as I am very active on other boards.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 10:51:48 am
Now, what are you going to do about the fact that you are a big target for any kill roles.
RangerCado: Pleasure to meet you too. I think that the scumhunt takes precedence, but... I'm reading through the OP and can't find any mention of a puzzle... can someone tell me what that means, it was mentioned at the beginning of the game. For the mafia types, staying under wraps and not slipping up is the most important thing. I'm actually not convinced that there aren't four mafia roles: just because there are at least three does not mean there aren't more. Slightly-bastard game, so that wouldn't bu unheard of.
Also, who said there are mages? As far as I know and NQT surmised in his rather hypothetical post of possible roles, there aren't any mages. Are you, perhaps, a rock mage?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 10:57:02 am
Post by: Toaster on January 24, 2014, 11:51:00 am
ToasterQuoteTiruin: What would you do to someone you think is hunting scum too much to puzzle solve?...Timeframe? Because I'd be querying his priorities--as in, poke at what exactly he's saying and, well, my action would generally be subjective however I'd revolve around the same thing I do to everyone-scumhhunting or not; poke poke poke. Query on their intent/motive, and context.
I figure there's something behind why you asked me such a question, yes?
Any point, really. And fair enough.
Yes, there is.
Toaster: Thoughts on the introductory verse? A bit too macabre, huh.
Also I'd like to ask: How will you treat counterclaims and claims as a general tell?
Too macabre? I love dark humor, so heck no!
Individually. There's no hard and fast rule here, but typically the counter claim has a bit more weight. I'd have to examine each one in particular, though.
NQT:
ToasterNQT: How will you leverage your confirmed townie status?I'm going to try to push town to be as proactive and rational as they can. I'm not going to put up with bogus cases on my watch. I assume you closely read Wuba's game posts so far. Was there anything there that I missed worth mentioning?
Sounds fair. I assume there will be plenty of vote analysis as well. Do you think scum has caught on to your analyses yet and will try to manipulate them?
In the flavor? Hmm... the Inquisitor is male. I'm not sure what role gender plays here, but I'm sure it's relevant to at least something.
Ranger:
mastahcheese, TheDarkStar, Toaster: How big of an affect do you think the mentioned items will have on the game? Could they be the key to solving the puzzle, or a distraction for Town?
Somewhere in the middle. As far as I can tell, they're essentially mobile role extensions of the players who start with them. Without knowing their general power level, that's a tough question to answer.
4mask:
Also, did you just lynch vote MOWE?
Is that a problem?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 12:24:26 pm
Everyone: What does everyone think of the 72 hour days. Will this make it easier or harder to find scum?
Post by: Toaster on January 24, 2014, 12:33:30 pm
Toaster: No, it isn't a problem. I just wasn't aware people launched lynch/hammer vote at each other this early. Didn't seem to happen in the current BM. As for what you said, you know the general power level of at least one item, your own, so you do know about what level of power we are looking at here.
Everyone: What does everyone think of the 72 hour days. Will this make it easier or harder to find scum?
The problem is that looking at a single item isn't enough. What if the one you can see is the most or least powerful? What if some are actually negative? Who said I actually have one?
I hope it'll make people pay attention and get things done.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 12:36:16 pm
And you didn't fully answer the question. Will scum hunting be made easier of harder my the 72 hour time limit as opposed to, say, a 48.
Post by: Toaster on January 24, 2014, 01:00:40 pm
Do you have a background in Mafia elsewhere?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 01:02:48 pm
Not particularly. Not in the same way it is played here, at any rate.
Post by: makeinu on January 24, 2014, 01:14:29 pm
HERE!!
*looks around sheepishly, grinning a charming grin*
Well! That is embarrassing!!
So. Many. Questions. :( Seeing as I have currently time for one and one only, I shall, of course, answer the most important, that of our lovely class president. *waves coquettishly* Hi, beautiful. Where have you been all my life?
makeinu
This is probably a role heavy game, especially with the influence of the items. Very different from a BM. Do you feel you have a good understanding of what to do to win?
Why, it's really quite simple, in the end. Isn't it?
Find the selfish bastards that would interrupt the finding of one's true love and purpose in life, those Evil monsters who summoned up this great dinosaur smasher to end us all!
Sadly, all I have is a winning smile, a sense of humor, and a stylish hat, but that shall just have to do.
Now, I do have my homework *shuffles papers* somewhere around here *opens desk, spilling papers everywhere* Ah! Here it .... wait, sorry, that's my ... ah yeah, never mind.
Post by: Hapah on January 24, 2014, 01:44:15 pm
HapahI saw that. I also saw this, right at the top of the votecount.Wuba: Is NQT Confirmed Good or Confirmed Not Evil?In case you can't read:In case you can't read, notquitethere is your Class President, and who would ever elect a corrupt politician? so, she's totally Good.
notquitethere is Confirmed Not Evil.They didn't say the same thing (Good or Not Evil), and it struck me as a little odd. Wubadub answered the question as "Yes", though, so I'll assume they're one and the same until proven otherwise.
It's related to the above. I put more weight on the Confirmed Not Evil since it was in the votecount and not the TL;DR for the flavor. If you weren't Evil (scum-team?), you could by Townie or 3rd Party. If all 3rd Parties were Evil, you couldn't be 3rd Party, so you'd definitely be town. Answer to the first question kinda makes it moot, though.Are all 3rd Parties Evil?What makes you think there are evil third-parties?
Quote from: RangerCado
Caz, Hapah, NQT: What would your preffered role be in this kind of game and why?Some sort of information role (Cop, Tracker, Watcher, etc.) The further a game gets from "standard" roles and layouts, the more I want information.
More later
Post by: webadict on January 24, 2014, 03:00:48 pm
Wuba or Nerjin Are there flips in this game? Are items shown on flip? We have to give away our items before the end of the night, is this always successful or does it get interrupted when you die?1. Well, probably. I'd suggest doing cartwheels first though. They're easier.
2. Depends on how tightly you hold them.
3. You have to give away your items. Holding them for too long is considered greedy, and if people found out you weren't sharing, you'd probably be mistaken for Evil.
Post by: webadict on January 24, 2014, 03:05:40 pm
Wuba:[/b] Are PMs allowed in this game? No mention in the OP and I checked twice to be sure.No note passing in my classroom!
Everyone: What does everyone think of the 72 hour days. Will this make it easier or harder to find scum?I don't think I'm supposed to answer that question, so why are you asking me?
Post by: Leafsnail on January 24, 2014, 05:06:19 pm
Leafsnail: How will you balance puzzle solving versus hunting scum?I will play this game pretty much normally to start with - there isn't enough information to go on right now, everything is incredibly vague. Attacking the puzzle will probably only be possible after several people have died and revealed their roles. At that point I will wildly speculate to myself in my free time until I come up with something.
Then why reveal them?
- We have genders, I am Female. The Flirt, for instance, probably has to find an appropriately gendered target (probably male) to fulfil a third party wincon.
LeafsnailThat sounds completely reasonable to me. The setting/flavour is similar to TM7, the inquisitor and apocalyptic scenario seem similar to WC3, the crown sounds like it could be a kingmaker based mechanic and the items do indeed seem roguelike-ish.
I've got a theory about where the roles in this game are coming from. I'm probably wrong. Note that there's an Inquisitor and someone that looks like a Lover role and there's items just like in Roguelike. Could this be a synthesis-of-a-bunch-of-the-subforum-games game? What do think?
The other recent/common setups that seem likely to be referenced are Paranormal and GlyphGryph's revolution variants, so look out for references to them. Keep in mind that this might just be a meta-joke rather than an actual hint, though.
A reluctance to engage with each other unless forced to do so. I would start using this tell after someone flips mafia, before then it's basically meaningless.
Leafsnail, makeinu, Tiruin: Since we have a pretty much confirmed 3 player scum team, what kind of patterns may crop up among these three interacting and how would you use them to hunt?
MyOwnWorstEnemy: What is your favorite town, mafia, and third party role? Why? And how do you like to use their abilities if any?RangerCado: how did you choose who to vote for?
Everyone: What does everyone think of the 72 hour days. Will this make it easier or harder to find scum?Easier or harder than what? This is a pretty standard deadline rule around here. I think it's harder to find scum than in hammers, when you have narrow-margin plurality lynches scum can easily manipulate the lynch by shifting their votes close to deadline.
Wuba: Is NQT Confirmed Good or Confirmed Not Evil? Are all 3rd Parties Evil?Are you Good?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 24, 2014, 05:19:03 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 05:40:24 pm
NQT: What role do you think that the genders will play in this game?
RangerCado: What reasoning went into the lynch vote on MOWE?
Hapah: NQT is confirmed not evil. That does not mean that NQT is not a third party, it merely means that NQT isn't one of the rock summoners.
HissinhWalnuts: Some friendly advice: go take a look at the most recent beginner mafia to get an understanding of slang and stuff. Also, for a 4mask example of what not to do. You made the choice to jump into a game with several players, such as Tiruin, who are highly experienced, and some of them may not pull their punches, so to speak. Welcome to the community!
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 05:48:37 pm
TheDarkStar: What is your response to Tiruin's vote. From the context, it appears to be a joke of some kind: care to elaborate?
Tiruin: You are currently acting as the mod of the active BM. Do you think that this will take time and attention away from you as you attempt to play this game?
Post by: notquitethere on January 24, 2014, 06:00:53 pm
Ranger, my preferred roles are investigative roles. I like to know things. Why are you asking me this? You know my alignment, so why go through the motions? (As for useless questions, before you posted I'd agree with your Tiruin assessment, but you would have known that already).
Wolf, I'll bear your assessment of Cheese in mind. As I said before, I'll try to make the most of Day 1 and I'll hope my Good allies will try to keep me alive for future days if possible. I think gender will be linked to certain third party win-cons and possible the use of some items. See 'Toon Mafia Re:Love', as this game appears like a spiritual successor. Do you have any insights on the setting or mechanics from what we've seen so far?
Toaster, as I won't have to appeal to objectivity as everyone knows I'm good I will do my analyses but not openly post my findings except where absolutely necessary. I'll be trying out some new procedures too. This is all if I survive until tomorrow, of course.
Makinu, are you deliberately making a role and item claim there? Don't answer this if you think doing so would give too much info to scum.
Hapah, yeah that seems a reasonable explanation. I look forward to seeing your 'more later'
Leafsnail, I don't think we should reveal anything yet. My role and gender were revealed in the game start post. As for the setting: it seems that there's a hodgepodge of borrowed mechanical elements as well as the flavour. This makes me strongly suspect Love Mafia style Lovers at the least, hence the gender.
Scum are rarely lynched Day 1: anything you think we could do to maximise that chance?
Walnuts, it's okay not to know the lingo yet, you've dived in at the deep end. If you have any questions about game play or anything else, please ask me as you can be sure of an honest answer. Asking and answering questions is the basic medium of play. Usually, it's normal to type the names of people you want to address so they know you're replying to them.
Post by: webadict on January 24, 2014, 06:02:46 pm
Are Wub Badict and Dr Nerjin part of the game? Are they valid targets for actions or votes?Are you threatening a teacher?
Post by: Hapah on January 24, 2014, 06:07:00 pm
Wife's dragging me out of the house for the evening, won't be able to post until late
(PS Wuba you are hilarious. Favorite Teacher #1 Forever)
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 06:11:41 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 24, 2014, 06:17:59 pm
Darkstar
How are you going to apply lessons learned about self-presentation (and self-preservation) in this game?
I'm going to get my act together and play better. I'll calm down and realize that it's not all about me. Part of my problem was being scum twice in my first two games (paranormal, then limerick); this made it harder to see how to play (and fake) as town well.
TheDarkStar: What is your response to Tiruin's vote. From the context, it appears to be a joke of some kind: care to elaborate?
It's a reference to the Limerick game, and also a test to see how I'll respond.
Could you tell us what you've learned from forum mafia in general? How would you act when someone is voting you--what would you initially think, and how would you respond?
My first thought is to figure out why. Here, it's RVS.
I'll type up some questions later, when I have a bit more time.
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 08:36:09 pm
Everyone: What does everyone think of the 72 hour days. Will this make it easier or harder to find scum?...I don't know how you, or maybe I, should parse this. This is the same day-time as the BM, and also is subjective DEPENDING on what input people place in.
TheDarkStar: What is your response to Tiruin's vote. From the context, it appears to be a joke of some kind: care to elaborate?I round the question to you: Why is it a joke, instead of anything else, 4mask? Why give your own interpretation of it?
Tiruin: You are currently acting as the mod of the active BM. Do you think that this will take time and attention away from you as you attempt to play this game?
And no-I was sleeping. People sleep! :I And no. This game is quite fun compared to the other games I'm in-sans Mod-play.
Also, did you just lynch vote MOWE?This was @RangerCado: How&Why did you see it as a lynch vote
Why are all your questions towards me, or that general question, seemingly technical-oriented ones?
TDS
Erh? That missed my first question >_>Could you tell us what you've learned from forum mafia in general? How would you act when someone is voting you--what would you initially think, and how would you respond?
My first thought is to figure out why. Here, it's RVS.
I'll type up some questions later, when I have a bit more time.
And in later cases? Like, not D1? What does RVS mean in regard to my vote towards you?
NQT
I never knew there're list type-formats. That's awesome.Tiruin
- We will all have titles: I am Class President. These are other roles I've counted so far: robot?, flirt, nerd, crown-wearer*, inquisitor. I already have theories about the possible nature of some of these other titles.
- We have genders, I am Female. The Flirt, for instance, probably has to find an appropriately gendered target (probably male) to fulfil a third party wincon.
NQT: "Mr President, sir, I've to ask-why did the teacher have time to write all that? What is holding him up?""MR President?! I've never been so insulted. Go sit at the back of the class!"
I don't think you've been paying sufficient attention to Wuba's posts. This doesn't necessarily mean you're scum, but this inattention is hardly going to help us find the evil doers. I'll be expecting a sharp improvement from here on in!"Being totally not evil, could you explain if that is connected to...presidential powers, and can you tell how you were elected? I have a memory block. (Also, given the hammer-game, do you know if this is a kingmaker-type game?) ALSO, can you tell me how you're making the decisions, yet letting us decide for you?"Wuba said there were seven votes to hammer. Now does that sound like a feature of a Kingmaker game to you? Also, I was elected to the esteemed position of class president mostly due to my humble origins and successful propaganda campaign.
What approach are you going to take to find scum in this game?
Next: On that bullet, do you think genders play a good difference?
Also: I take it that your vote towards me...is because I called you male, right?
*sits at back of class, pouts, says yes ma'am in a sad tone* (...Are you telepathic?! I always am at the front in any class I'm in <_<)
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This doesn't necessarily mean you're scum, but this inattention is hardly going to help us find the evil doers.I love being judged at first impressions. Necessarily is a very good word to adjust feelings, and the concluding following point really is nice. :I
But I agree.
(In truth, I judged it..based on how I see you, as you [and not the flavor you]. Your avatar is also some kind of cute shadow-animal thing? That also added to it.)
> ...I was thinking more on 'try any kind of question even those that deviate from the obvious' @kingmaker
> I was serious about the memory block.
> Elected...how?
> @approach: I'll shut up and listen more, posting in brevity, keeping lookout, and making my notes while letting others talk more than me; that seems to work for most people, so why not I give it a try! Besides, I'll be taking your words from GlyphGryph's Worse things--you tell me my 'essential' playstyle sucks? I'll take it on! Because that really hurt me that you weren't open to discussion about how to improve each others' playstyles.
Webadict:
....But you're technically not here so we probably can and..Are Wub Badict and Dr Nerjin part of the game? Are they valid targets for actions or votes?Are you threatening a teacher?
Webadict: I read the student handbook! What does it say about..'threatening' the teacher? What about 'voting' for them?
Also, I query if it is possible to influence flavor!
> Are there roleflips in the game?Wuba or Nerjin Are there flips in this game? Are items shown on flip? We have to give away our items before the end of the night, is this always successful or does it get interrupted when you die?1. Well, probably. I'd suggest doing cartwheels first though. They're easier.
2. Depends on how tightly you hold them.
3. You have to give away your items. Holding them for too long is considered greedy, and if people found out you weren't sharing, you'd probably be mistaken for Evil.
> Would it benefit the masses if we nitpicked these kinds of mechanics?
...
Ok I laughed at the last one. That is quite innovative, or..bastardy. Probable-miller shift if holding an item too long?
So I believe that items really aren't our possession, huh.
Toaster
Tiruin:> So...what's the yes there is?ToasterQuoteTiruin: What would you do to someone you think is hunting scum too much to puzzle solve?...Timeframe? Because I'd be querying his priorities--as in, poke at what exactly he's saying and, well, my action would generally be subjective however I'd revolve around the same thing I do to everyone-scumhhunting or not; poke poke poke. Query on their intent/motive, and context.
I figure there's something behind why you asked me such a question, yes?
Any point, really. And fair enough.
Yes, there is.Toaster: Thoughts on the introductory verse? A bit too macabre, huh.
Also I'd like to ask: How will you treat counterclaims and claims as a general tell?
Too macabre? I love dark humor, so heck no!
Individually. There's no hard and fast rule here, but typically the counter claim has a bit more weight. I'd have to examine each one in particular, though.
...Dark humor .__. Erh, technical question; what's the difference between dark humor and black humor (which I keep on hearing from Game of Thrones...which is somehow funny for me D:)
Cado
Sadly, in my opinion the patterns only fall when one is flipped-interaction and un-interaction can only be truly discerned when you know one piece of the pie: OR, unless one of them falls flat--there is notes in vote patterns, but there are also notes in what the people say in their posts (the essence of said posts), with the former taking precedence over the latter if no scumflips are there, for me.
Leafsnail, makeinu, Tiruin: Since we have a pretty much confirmed 3 player scum team, what kind of patterns may crop up among these three interacting and how would you use them to hunt?
What kind of patterns are you looking for?
Why ask us in trios? Why did you group me with them, and also the rest with the rest?
makeinu
*pops head up from his desk, where he's been sleeping all this time*Why do you flirt with NQT?
HERE!!
*looks around sheepishly, grinning a charming grin*
Well! That is embarrassing!!
So. Many. Questions. :( Seeing as I have currently time for one and one only, I shall, of course, answer the most important, that of our lovely class president. *waves coquettishly* Hi, beautiful. Where have you been all my life?
Also I infer that by 'importance' you mean...by innocence, right? What did you judge all questions towards you on, as in, what did you mean behind that importance-of-questions?[/list]
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 08:38:46 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 08:40:01 pm
Now why did you see it as such given his wording? (Or, y'know, question it as such that it should be questioned before any answer)
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 08:44:38 pm
And to answer your questions: I know it was a pressure vote. I was simply questioning it.
The reason they are technical oriented, the one that I have posed to you directly, is because that was all I could think of at the time to ask you.
Here's a more in-game question: RangerCado hasn't even responded to my question yet, so why did you decide to question my question. That wasn't even my final question, it was a confused comment before I realized what it meant. You could have quoted my final question to him, which was almost the same, just with a little more actual digging, but instead you quote that. Why?
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 08:48:22 pm
I know it was a question, did I word it to seem aggressive? I didn't mean it that way..
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And to answer your questions: I know it was a pressure vote. I was simply questioning it.Mhmm! :I
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The reason they are technical oriented, the one that I have posed to you directly, is because that was all I could think of at the time to ask you.Mmh? I mean the one that had Everyone, on it.
But I get your gist.
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Here's a more in-game question: RangerCado hasn't even responded to my question yet, so why did you decide to question my question. That wasn't even my final question, it was a confused comment before I realized what it meant. You could have quoted my final question to him, which was almost the same, just with a little more actual digging, but instead you quote that. Why?...You could say 'Wait for Cado's answer to my question before receiving mine', if that's the thinking behind it.
But the lynch vote thing? It was a general prod given how the wording plays out and I was curious about your thinking (given how I was impressed at your first-stageplay in the BM).
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 08:51:52 pm
Woah o_O
I know it was a question, did I word it to seem aggressive? I didn't mean it that way..QuoteAnd to answer your questions: I know it was a pressure vote. I was simply questioning it.Mhmm! :IQuoteThe reason they are technical oriented, the one that I have posed to you directly, is because that was all I could think of at the time to ask you.Mmh? I mean the one that had Everyone, on it.
But I get your gist.QuoteHere's a more in-game question: RangerCado hasn't even responded to my question yet, so why did you decide to question my question. That wasn't even my final question, it was a confused comment before I realized what it meant. You could have quoted my final question to him, which was almost the same, just with a little more actual digging, but instead you quote that. Why?...You could say 'Wait for Cado's answer to my question before receiving mine', if that's the thinking behind it.
But the lynch vote thing? It was a general prod given how the wording plays out and I was curious about your thinking (given how I was impressed at your first-stageplay in the BM).
Oh, you wanted me to answer about the everybody one. That was a highly technical question, and one that later turned out to be poorly phrased and inaccurate in it's assumptions. I asked it for the sake of myself and any other newer players who wanted to know how the time length changing would change the gameplay.
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 08:56:30 pm
Well in regard to time length, remember that most people live in a timezone different from yours (...if in Asia :I) and most people live in a timezone really near yours (Europe/America).
The problem however, lies in what the content of posts exist-what conflicts occur, and how deep queries and their answers to. It's highly subjective (y'know, to me) because there are also times when people...have RL stuffs (ie exams/work) holding them up, and thus can't post as much. There are also times wherein those days happen on 'everyone is free' days and activity rushes out the pipes, and a conclusion is reached.
So yeah. Wording!
Post by: Toaster on January 24, 2014, 09:24:57 pm
Also, Tiruin, the thing about the BM was a QUESTION! I was not attempting to insinuate that you were not playing the game: I knew you were.
And to answer your questions: I know it was a pressure vote. I was simply questioning it.
The reason they are technical oriented, the one that I have posed to you directly, is because that was all I could think of at the time to ask you.
Here's a more in-game question: RangerCado hasn't even responded to my question yet, so why did you decide to question my question. That wasn't even my final question, it was a confused comment before I realized what it meant. You could have quoted my final question to him, which was almost the same, just with a little more actual digging, but instead you quote that. Why?
This all seems rather defensive. Why are you being defensive this early?
Tiruin: Sleeping is no excuse!
Toaster
> So...what's the yes there is?
...Dark humor .__. Erh, technical question; what's the difference between dark humor and black humor (which I keep on hearing from Game of Thrones...which is somehow funny for me D:)
The "yes there is" is in response to this:
I figure there's something behind why you asked me such a question, yes?
And I use dark humor and black humor interchangeably. If there's a difference, I'm not aware.
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 09:28:15 pm
Tiruin: Sleeping is no excuse!I was...meditating! While probably clearing my throat. I forget.
Ms President NQT
Scum are rarely lynched Day 1: anything you think we could do to maximise that chance?Pullin' out of context: Does the first statement have any relation to the lynch?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 09:36:38 pm
Post by: RangerCado on January 24, 2014, 09:46:38 pm
NQT: All I know, from the on BM game I lasted half a day in, is that apparently MAstahCheese is an avid scumhunter as town. No lurking there.I made the mages comment as the book was called Dark Rituals of Rock Summoning. We could be facing disguised demons or some student cult for all we know, I just went with a universal term for magic user.
Now, what are you going to do about the fact that you are a big target for any kill roles.
RangerCado: Pleasure to meet you too. I think that the scumhunt takes precedence, but... I'm reading through the OP and can't find any mention of a puzzle... can someone tell me what that means, it was mentioned at the beginning of the game. For the mafia types, staying under wraps and not slipping up is the most important thing. I'm actually not convinced that there aren't four mafia roles: just because there are at least three does not mean there aren't more. Slightly-bastard game, so that wouldn't bu unheard of.
Also, who said there are mages? As far as I know and NQT surmised in his rather hypothetical post of possible roles, there aren't any mages. Are you, perhaps, a rock mage?
Also, did you just lynch vote MOWE?No. During the start of a game, I usually throw my vote on someone to get some info and get a starting place. Hence the start of most games being called the Random Voting Stage or RVS.
Everyone: What does everyone think of the 72 hour days. Will this make it easier or harder to find scum?Generally, it all depends. If we're not getting anywhere on the first day, we may need the extra time, but this extra time could allow the scum team to escape suspicions their under... this may be getting into WIFOM territory.
He was the only name I recognized but had not played with before. Its usually how my RVS goes where I just pick someone on a quirk I notice.MyOwnWorstEnemy: What is your favorite town, mafia, and third party role? Why? And how do you like to use their abilities if any?RangerCado: how did you choose who to vote for?
RangerCado: What reasoning went into the lynch vote on MOWE?Twice now this assumption of it being a lynch vote. Why exactly are you assuming this? I voted him as he was an unfamiliar player, but i recognized the name. RVS is also a thing.
Ranger, my preferred roles are investigative roles. I like to know things. Why are you asking me this? You know my alignment, so why go through the motions? (As for useless questions, before you posted I'd agree with your Tiruin assessment, but you would have known that already).Best to go through the motions anyway NQT, just my thoughts there. Should I not scum hunt you in a B. Mod where anything could be possible? I also have a hunch of something that may be the key to this... and its a bit unnerving.
Quote from: Tiruin
What kind of patterns are you looking for?I’m just asking a question I thought of. I wanted to get the post out before the stress of my last test I had to do today got to me, and I didn’t have many questions come to mind. I went down the list in the OP, picking out the others for the reasons in their questions.
Why ask us in trios? Why did you group me with them, and also the rest with the rest?
Questions coming either later today, or in the morning as I'm just trying to relax today.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 24, 2014, 10:46:39 pm
Mastahcheese: you are the doctor and have two obvious choices: a confirmed townie or an unconfirmed but claimed cop. Which one do you try to protect?Depends on how much heat the two of them had. If I were a jailkeeper, then I wouldn't block the cop, otherwise whoever was the loudest.
Everyone: What does everyone think of the 72 hour days. Will this make it easier or harder to find scum?I thought this was normal? If it's not, I've been paying terrible attention.
El Presidente notquitethere
CheeseWell, I'm not sure what would cause it. I don't really know the non-standard roles. And no, I have no reason to suspect the presence of a cult.notquitethere: So you're confirmed Not Evil. If some strange circumstance occurred that would label you as Evil, what would you do?If there was a cult, you mean? I'd continue to play to the best of my ability. Do you have any reason to believe there is a cult yet?
RangerCado
mastahcheese, TheDarkStar, Toaster: How big of an affect do you think the mentioned items will have on the game? Could they be the key to solving the puzzle, or a distraction for Town?I have literally no idea.
And as for the seemingling baseless questioning towards your vote, how do we know you don't have some ability that affects people you merely vote for? That could be a powerful ability if it exists.
Speaking of which...
Tiruin!
What is your reasoning behind your vote for TheDarkStar? NQT and Leafsnail both have excusable reasons behind their votes, what is yours?
Master CheddarThat's an interesting way to put it.Tiruin: You're the doctor/jail keeper or doctor/jail keeper equivalent. You protected a person in the night, but they got killed anyway. Now what?Let me put my response in rhetoric, behind the guise of two speakers.I can't give more of a definite poke unless...you give a time of day. :PSpoiler: What I will say (click to show/hide)
Why explicitly a doc/jailkeep?
As for "Why explicitly a doc/jailkeep?" is because those are the only roles I know that do that stuff. What others are there?
TheDarkStar
Are you scum again?
Leafsnail
Why the sudden suspicion on RangerCado?
HissihnWalnuts
Don't worry about lingo or jargon or whatever. I don't know half of it, myself.
Caz
You still aren't here yet.
MyOwnWorstEnemy
What are your initial thoughts toward the vote on you?
Toaster
I have nothing to say to you.
makeinu
What the heck are doing? Are you failing miserably to be subtle in a roleclaim or something? You're better than this. Get in here, you bum.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 24, 2014, 10:51:04 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 24, 2014, 10:51:54 pm
For the record, dealing with a personal crisis. I'll be in here when I have the chance.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 24, 2014, 10:52:41 pm
Hissinhwalnuts is confused by the all the random questions considering the game hasn't started.Yes it has.
Why is everyone confusing role-play with a role-claim?No excuses!
For the record, dealing with a personal crisis. I'll be in here when I have the chance.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 11:16:52 pm
HissihnWalnuts: The period of day one questioning is the norm in mafia. It's a time to try to make the scum slip up and do a reveal, even if that rarely happens. There are also questions about gameplay style, which are, as far as I can tell, is a way to piece together a picture of the other person's playstyle so that they have a better idea of what is a scum tell from you. I'm not entirely sure on that, though.
Makeinu: the reason it was seen as a role claim is that the current consensus is that there is some sort of flirt character in the game, which caused everyone to jump on that as a role-claim. If you were a beginner, I would be inclined to agree, but you aren't, which leads to an irritating mental WIFOM. My point is: don't be surprised they made a possible miscue.
RangerCado: thank you for the explanation, though I had already concluded that that was what you were doing. A question: since items are in the game, do you think that there are roles capable of interacting with items?
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 11:19:45 pm
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What is your reasoning behind your vote for TheDarkStar? NQT and Leafsnail both have excusable reasons behind their votes, what is yours?To further my point! :D
I really wanna know how he thinks (and..to give an obvious tip: the reason is in the context)
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TheDarkStarwhat kind of question is this.
Are you scum again?
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ToasterThis sounds mean and...whuh?
I have nothing to say to you.
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As for "Why explicitly a doc/jailkeep?" is because those are the only roles I know that do that stuff. What others are there?That protect or block? Roleblocker.
As for the question: I was asking why the specificities?
Hissinhwalnuts is confused by the all the random questions consideringH. Walnutsthe game hasn't started.the questions have no meaning to the game so far.
..No meaning? What do you mean by "no meaning". Can you not see related parts in the questions?
pfp
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 11:24:24 pm
In case you don't know, a name in read is a hammer vote, be it a pressure vote or not, and a name in blue means that the person in question is under the finger of suspicion.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 24, 2014, 11:26:27 pm
MCReasonable.QuoteWhat is your reasoning behind your vote for TheDarkStar? NQT and Leafsnail both have excusable reasons behind their votes, what is yours?To further my point! :D
I really wanna know how he thinks (and..to give an obvious tip: the reason is in the context)
A question to be answered. Duh.QuoteTheDarkStarwhat kind of question is this.
Are you scum again?
It's not mean, it's honest. I pulled up everyone's names (I think, there's a lot) and realized I have nothing to question him on yet.QuoteToasterThis sounds mean and...whuh?
I have nothing to say to you.
I'm sorry, but I'm confused, did I not already answer this?QuoteAs for "Why explicitly a doc/jailkeep?" is because those are the only roles I know that do that stuff. What others are there?That protect or block? Roleblocker.
As for the question: I was asking why the specificities?
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 11:28:48 pm
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 24, 2014, 11:31:12 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 24, 2014, 11:32:00 pm
@^ No, you did answer it but I wanted to think of why you asked those specific roles-its like, you're subtly asking tips from me (while I appreciate it, I'd go whuh o_O) so yeah. First impression.It's random questioning. I don't know what else to say. I try to be specific with each person I question, and I asked others about other things. You just ended up with a random doctor-oriented question from me.
No all the saying you are x, person is doing x, how do you respond its kinda confusing.It's a bunch of hypothetical garbage.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 11:37:55 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 11:38:30 pm
Really? Garbage?No all the saying you are x, person is doing x, how do you respond its kinda confusing.It's a bunch of hypothetical garbage.
No all the saying you are x, person is doing x, how do you respond its kinda confusing.It's a query to check what you would do in that kind of situation. Surely you could do that, right?
... You missed giving me a question...Whonow?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 24, 2014, 11:40:05 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 11:40:10 pm
An terminology question for Tiruin: what does everyone mean when they say the "puzzle"?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 11:42:11 pm
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 24, 2014, 11:43:15 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 11:45:33 pm
You'll see later. Some people (like me in BM) tend to fold under enough pressure, or contradict themselves in what they say, and as such provide a fairly clear scum tell. Of course, it isn't my always that they are scum, but it's more effective than a random vote or a bandwagon.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2014, 11:46:53 pm
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 24, 2014, 11:51:23 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 11:56:40 pm
Yeah, seems no one questioned me though.<_<
Either you're blind, or you fail to see my note to you, H. Walnuts.
Yes I'm mean, because you seem to be lazy.
PPE x2
An terminology question for Tiruin: what does everyone mean when they say the "puzzle"?Oh dear.
Alright, you! You're playing in a bastard-ish game. Now, the game is termed so in origin from mockery--"You bastard mod!" or some other sort of wordplay due to the differences from normal gaming. Well, as far as I know anyway.
In bastard games, these differences are usually termed by being called as a, or the, 'puzzle'. There are different game mechanics as opposed to regular games, and different terminologies as opposed to different games. One can be named fantasy/fiction names like Detective, Mage, Warrior, Crusader or whatever, and their abilities conform to the staple kinds (ie Divine Right: You survive a single kill of any type and always appear town to any inspect [which means a combination of Godfather/1-shot bulletproof role)
But in other bastard games, you play against the Moderator or against a third-party specially placed by the mod. I'll link you to Vector's The Lonely Prince (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=128261.0), because its awesome and I was a duck faffing around and being all flavor-happy :I
But scumhunting always takes place. Go read up.
PPE
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That feel bro, That feel.What.
No not really, I don't see how these questions do anything. Are you sure its un-!!FUN!! for the person lynched though?What?!
Do anything? Why? Sure on what? >_>
Post by: mastahcheese on January 24, 2014, 11:58:23 pm
... You missed giving me a question...I answered your questions earlier, and I haven't thought of something to ask you again yet.
I use the term "garbage" as a catch-all term. It is not something I would put in the trash, or throw away, if that is what you are thinking.Really? Garbage?No all the saying you are x, person is doing x, how do you respond its kinda confusing.It's a bunch of hypothetical garbage.
Yeah, seems no one questioned me though.Who seems the most suspicious to you right now, and why?
Post by: Tiruin on January 24, 2014, 11:59:34 pm
So why Garbage-if it doesn't serve any other purpose?I use the term "garbage" as a catch-all term. It is not something I would put in the trash, or throw away, if that is what you are thinking.Really? Garbage?No all the saying you are x, person is doing x, how do you respond its kinda confusing.It's a bunch of hypothetical garbage.
What do you think is the purpose of why people ask those questions?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 12:00:39 am
First response, I'm talking role / response questions, I'm willing to admit I'm lazy but I may also be very blind.
Second response, it was in response to his little spelling error comment.
mastacheese.
Hapah and leafsnail seem to not to be doing much.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 12:05:03 am
Because I have an ineffectual way of speaking. I'll admit to that.So why Garbage-if it doesn't serve any other purpose?I use the term "garbage" as a catch-all term. It is not something I would put in the trash, or throw away, if that is what you are thinking.Really? Garbage?No all the saying you are x, person is doing x, how do you respond its kinda confusing.It's a bunch of hypothetical garbage.
What do you think is the purpose of why people ask those questions?
The purpose, at least to me, and why I do it, is because it can give you some sort of insight as to how they might behave under various circumstances, and evaluate for discrepancies.
mastacheese.You make an excellent point, good sir.
Hapah and leafsnail seem to not to be doing much.
Do you wish to do anything about this matter? Or simply delegate it to me?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 12:06:55 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:08:01 am
Perhaps another teaching moment: mafia tends to be a serious game, at least as far as the way people play it. I would just warn you that jokes are often not taken well, and are occasionally seen redirection.
Also, refrain from playing the noob card too much. Watch what the rest of us do, and follow our example.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 12:09:27 am
So it isn't garbage! D:Because I have an ineffectual way of speaking. I'll admit to that.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The purpose, at least to me, and why I do it, is because it can give you some sort of insight as to how they might behave under various circumstances, and evaluate for discrepancies.
To Tiruin.Oh dear goodness.
First response, I'm talking role / response questions, I'm willing to admit I'm lazy but I may also be very blind.
Let me link stuffs: This is something I suggest you do when pointing out other's notes
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[url=PLACE THE URL HERE]THESE ARE YOUR WORDS :D[/url]Stuff (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949928;topicseen#msg4949928), Directed, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949928;topicseen#msg4949928) Onto (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949882;topicseen#msg4949882), You. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949879;topicseen#msg4949879) And by that, I mean: There (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4948968;topicseen#msg4948968) are words with either [Walnuts; H. Walnuts or anything similar to your name], go look for things like that in posts like these (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4947667;topicseen#msg4947667), and this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4947223;topicseen#msg4947223) Hissingwalnuts.Along that line, why is your username like that? Origins?
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 12:10:01 am
I'm just a noob so I'm not sure what to do, you seem to know what to do. But I am keeping in mind that you could be scum.Third person pronouns please! D:
You is everyone reading that! (without reading the context, of course).
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 12:11:53 am
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 12:15:18 am
I'm just a noob so I'm not sure what to do, you seem to know what to do. But I am keeping in mind that you could be scum.Just point it out to them. Put their names in bold to draw their attention, and ask them why they're being inactive.
Here, I'll do Leafsnail, you do Hapah, so you can get used to it.
Leafsnail:
You've only posted once so far. How much attention are you paying to the game? What are your current thoughts/reads at this time?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 12:17:05 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:18:11 am
1. I'm not convinced yet that NQT isn't third-party. The definition given was "not evil", which is slightly different from good. That being said, I don't think we need to worry about NQT right now, because s/he isn't one of the rock summoners.
2. I have a suspicion that there is a sort of sub-game regarding the items. The idea of rotating "roles" is interesting enough, but it was stated by Wuba that information would be withheld.
That's what I have right now, for what it's worth.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:19:16 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 12:21:19 am
I'm just a noob so I'm not sure what to do, you seem to know what to do. But I am keeping in mind that you could be scum.Just point it out to them. Put their names in bold to draw their attention, and ask them why they're being inactive.
Here, I'll do Leafsnail, you do Hapah, so you can get used to it.
Leafsnail:
You've only posted once so far. How much attention are you paying to the game? What are your current thoughts/reads at this time?
Hapah: Can you please explain the lack of posts?
So, H. Walnuts, take a glance also at the current running BMs, to get a gist of how Forum mafia is different from RL mafia :)
Tiruin, thank you for explaining the concept of the puzzle to me. I have a few theories on the "slightly bastard" aspect:Well, not evil also means neutral/good, but then Web did define evil--it also goes to reason that we can't put this 'not evil/evil' on an interval scale: It just assumed that our Class President is...not malevolent.
1. I'm not convinced yet that NQT isn't third-party. The definition given was "not evil", which is slightly different from good. That being said, I don't think we need to worry about NQT right now, because s/he isn't one of the rock summoners.
2. I have a suspicion that there is a sort of sub-game regarding the items. The idea of rotating "roles" is interesting enough, but it was stated by Wuba that information would be withheld.
That's what I have right now, for what it's worth.
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Eh? I can't talk about this. I have no item, but it looks like 'power that you can give to others that has an ability'.
2. I have a suspicion that there is a sort of sub-game regarding the items. The idea of rotating "roles" is interesting enough, but it was stated by Wuba that information would be withheld.
But you'd be 'greedy' if you hold onto it so...ehh?
We're talking morali-
...
NQT: What class does Mr. Web teach?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:23:57 am
IIRC, he teaches history. Why?
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 12:24:11 am
MastahCheese: Do you use the FoS? If so, under what circumstances?Yes, I've actually used it a few times in the BM I was in (and you too, for a short time).
I use it to show, quite plainly, that I find someone suspicious. It's too early for me to tell, right now, but I'll start with giving people the finger later on.
I'll give the first finger to Webadict.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 12:27:13 am
Tiruin: Wait, you don't have an item? I was under the impression that... Right. Bastard mod. Sorry, Wuba, SEMI-bastard-mod....You think items are important? (Pertaining to the impression-thing, it'd be wise not to hint that though as..I guess it's detrimental to town but blargh. I seriously can't talk about it more unless I pull on ends I can't pull because no context)
IIRC, he teaches history. Why?
And I was wondering what the teacher was teaching as it might..have something on this 'evil' thing, but I guess that's just another word for 'scum', to use the simpliest reason.
I'll give the first finger to Webadict.Err, without anything for him to answer?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 12:28:04 am
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 12:28:47 am
I think that the evidence against him is clear.I'll give the first finger to Webadict.Err, without anything for him to answer?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:29:22 am
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 12:30:03 am
No, I got the impression from the game start post that everyone had one. Possibly debunks my hypothesis.Well, I'm going to assume that means you've got one.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 12:30:46 am
...Which is..?I think that the evidence against him is clear.I'll give the first finger to Webadict.Err, without anything for him to answer?
Nerjin is also modding this..
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:32:12 am
I think that the evidence against him is clear.I'll give the first finger to Webadict.Err, without anything for him to answer?
Then why don't you just say vote him?
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 12:33:09 am
Good point, I'd forgotten....Which is..?I think that the evidence against him is clear.I'll give the first finger to Webadict.Err, without anything for him to answer?
Nerjin is also modding this..
Nerjin, how could you allow such an insane madman to pit us all against each other like this?
But it has to be Webadict, he even admitted he isn't even in the classroom, the lurking scum.
Because he's the GM, and that's usually a bad place to put a vote.Then why don't you just say vote him?I think that the evidence against him is clear.I'll give the first finger to Webadict.Err, without anything for him to answer?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:34:34 am
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 12:35:45 am
Out of curiosity, has a GM ever been lynched? Or at least voted lynched?...I'm sure it's happened once.
It has to have happened at least once.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 12:36:01 am
1: Practice SK or SK substitute skills.
2: Practice Mafia or Mafia substitute skills.
3: Practice Townie/Special Townie skills.
4+: To the thinking zone!
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:38:22 am
I'm thinking of all the things people could want to do as GM.
1: Practice SK or SK substitute skills.
2: Practice Mafia or Mafia substitute skills.
3: Practice Townie/Special Townie skills.
4+: To the thinking zone!
... What?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 12:39:39 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 12:40:17 am
PFPOut of curiosity, has a GM ever been lynched? Or at least voted lynched?...I'm sure it's happened once.
It has to have happened at least once.
GlyphGryph was lynche din his own bastard game before--the consequence was that flavor became a...well, environmental aspect and nothing else. x3
It was funny.
But still: Why don't you try it? I won't because..ehh, the teacher is absent (and heknows the cause and wrote it ahead of time...which is weird but..eh.)
Webadict is the GM, if he wanted he could practice his skills by joining a side he wants to work on, or he could be playing normally of course.Not necessarily-I doubt Webw ould do that and Nerjin is also alongsid ehim :I
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:41:28 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:43:49 am
Tiruin and MastahCheese: what is your opinion of the players who have posted since the beginning of the game. Any of them strike you as suspicious?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 12:44:08 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 12:45:21 am
Also, time to get back on track:Too early to fully discern. Any? Yeah. Some. Surely? Nah.
Tiruin and MastahCheese: what is your opinion of the players who have posted since the beginning of the game. Any of them strike you as suspicious?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:46:32 am
H. Walnuts: Can you explain yourself now?Could you interpret that last statement for me...Also, time to get back on track:Too early to fully discern. Any? Yeah. Some. Surely? Nah.
Tiruin and MastahCheese: what is your opinion of the players who have posted since the beginning of the game. Any of them strike you as suspicious?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 12:47:58 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 12:56:12 am
I likely won't respond for most of today, forum time, because I'm going skiing. My apologies for anyone whose questions must wait.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 12:59:12 am
...I'm staring at one guy, then at some others. They're suspicious. But to fully suspect them as in under the order of logical reasoning? Noop!H. Walnuts: Can you explain yourself now?Could you interpret that last statement for me...Also, time to get back on track:Too early to fully discern. Any? Yeah. Some. Surely? Nah.
Tiruin and MastahCheese: what is your opinion of the players who have posted since the beginning of the game. Any of them strike you as suspicious?
Tiruin: Are you talking about my experience? I know how most roles work, I've seen a couple games too get the gist, this is my first game because its the first one available.I'm talking about everything I linked back earlier-can you address them? This is your first game, ok!
Now, can you get to the questions-and if not (or are still confused), go check the running Beginner's Mafia (BM) to get a better idea of what we're doing right now.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 01:01:04 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 25, 2014, 07:40:39 am
(Proper follow up soon: still on my phone here.)
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 07:43:41 am
H.Walnuts, you should really look at a few mafia games before posting, unless you are trying to use the guise of inexperience as a shield.Before anythig else I'd like to correct this: a hammer vote is a vote that kills somebody. So if 6/13 players were voting someone and you voted them too that would be a hammer if the hammer rule is in place (because it would instantly kill them).
In case you don't know, a name in read is a hammer vote, be it a pressure vote or not, and a name in blue means that the person in question is under the finger of suspicion.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 07:59:20 am
This is my first mafia, don't know all the slang, I know how to play so long as I know what I'm playing as.Do you know what you're playing this game? Why are you confused about whether the game has started?
@NQT: There's no easy way to help lynch scum day one, but I think everyone should be forced to comment on every leading suspect before lynches happen. That means there will be more information to go on.
@RangerCado: That seems like a reasonable policy, unvote.
@mastahcheese: My vote on RangerCado was an RVS prod based on him voting an inexperienced player. His explanation is fine though.
I've been paying a fair amount of attention to the game but my holiday's only just started and I haven't had that much time for posting. I should be able to post lots more soon.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 08:02:54 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 08:11:32 am
Log in and see four pages of waffle. Cheese, Wolf, Tiruin, Walnuts: could you address some of the other nine players please.NQT: we have. Or at least, MastahCheese and I have, though I don't have a specific question for you right now?
(Proper follow up soon: still on my phone here.)
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 08:20:41 am
Log in and see four pages of waffle. Cheese, Wolf, Tiruin, Walnuts: could you address some of the other nine players please.
(Proper follow up soon: still on my phone here.)
NQT: as the only one currently confirmed now meteor summoner, what are your reads on the other active players?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 08:21:10 am
Not, not now.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 25, 2014, 08:46:50 am
Log in and see four pages of waffle. Cheese, Wolf, Tiruin, Walnuts: could you address some of the other nine players please.
(Proper follow up soon: still on my phone here.)
NQT: as the only one currently confirmed now meteor summoner, what are your reads on the other active players?
Why are you saying this? Is there something in his role description I missed, or was something revealed in the last several pages that I missed?
Also, I see several pages with only the same few people posting. What are other people's thoughts on this?
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 10:09:18 am
Log in and see four pages of waffle. Cheese, Wolf, Tiruin, Walnuts: could you address some of the other nine players please....Dude, I did. Are you so post-happy that you fail to notice that they're doing their own work which I've no say under? >__>
(Proper follow up soon: still on my phone here.)
Guess what-I addressed those speaking to me, and poked at those which found my intrigue!
Surprising, Ms. President.
Very surprising attitude.
TDS No follow up on my queries to you? D:
4mask
Two queries:Log in and see four pages of waffle. Cheese, Wolf, Tiruin, Walnuts: could you address some of the other nine players please.
(Proper follow up soon: still on my phone here.)
NQT: as the only one currently confirmed now meteor summoner, what are your reads on the other active players?
1. 'Currently "confirmed"'? How is she the one who did it?
2. What did you think of and whom, when you typed the whole thing out?
You don't think i have? Really?Log in and see four pages of waffle. Cheese, Wolf, Tiruin, Walnuts: could you address some of the other nine players please.NQT: we have. Or at least, MastahCheese and I have, though I don't have a specific question for you right now?
(Proper follow up soon: still on my phone here.)
Hmm, dear.
@Hapah: Are you Good? Don't use lack of time as an excuse, it's a simple question.Doublemeaning~ xD
Ok, ok, being serious now.
...
Ehh? Of all the questions I see focusing in all your posts, Leafsnail-any purpose behind that?
I've been paying a fair amount of attention to the game but my holiday's only just started and I haven't had that much time for posting. I should be able to post lots more soon.Or is this the cause?
Man am I failing in my brevity-playstyle. :I
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 10:13:24 am
What did you see in the other nine that we fail to address?
For posterity: It is possible to elect corrupt officials! *stares at some presidents and people in governance in own country*
Yeah. >_> Even the people..as a majority--or possibly the election polls...can be rigged. Yes, people can be rigged to vote for certain people on certain incentives. I doubt that'd happened here though; too complex.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 10:45:06 am
Webadict: Is summoning meteors under dark magic?
Post by: Hapah on January 25, 2014, 11:16:15 am
...where did these six pages come from, lol. Reading now.
Post by: Silthuri on January 25, 2014, 11:24:23 am
Mastahcheese:
MyOwnWorstEnemy: Someone who is pretty much generally agreed to be Not Evil is attacking you. You are also Not Evil, but haven't convinced anyone else of this very well. What do you do?First off, I'd defend myself. I'd try to put their suspicions to rest. Or I would go back and try to find some evidence that my attacker is scum. If neither one of these works and there's no way I'm surviving the night, I'll just put my effort on spelling out my suspicions and theories and hope the remaining Not Evil people can use it to win.
MyOwnWorstEnemyIt's a pressure vote, or so I assume. He even said the only reason he voted me is because he recognized my name. I'm not terribly worried about it, honestly.
What are your initial thoughts toward the vote on you?
Whew... I think that's all. I shall be back later!
Tiruin: Hello!! :)
MyOwnWorstEnemy: Hi! You.Well... I would probably assume it's a newbie mistake, assuming the player's a new player, and just let it slide unless it's really bothersome. If they aren't, I'd think they were scrambling for a lead and go back and look for scum tells to use to build a case against them.
Let me define a scenario: It is Day one and a player has committed quite a lot of mistakes-communication and logical flaws: what will you basically do in regard to that person's action?
NQT:
MyOwnWorstEnemy*takes out paper and starts scribbling*
I don't believe we've met. I want a three page essay on mafia theory and the meta-tells of every other player on my desk by the end of the day. Or, alternatively, just tell me a bit about yourself, your experience and your outlook on the game.
I'm not sure what exactly you want to know about me. I only recently came to Bay 12 after a friend of mine kept pushing me to do so. As such, I know only a couple people and only a few people know me. I'm still a bit shy because I'm not sure of all the lingo and I'm not completely sure about the etiquette. My only hands-on experience is with the current BM, although I've had the same friend explaining the basics of mafia to me for a while now. I've also read a few finished games and have glanced around the wiki several times. I'm not sure about my outlook on this game. I'm so confused right now, but I hope to get a grip sometime soon.
RangerCado:
MyOwnWorstEnemy: What is your favorite town, mafia, and third party role? Why? And how do you like to use their abilities if any?Keep in mind, this is all coming from what I've read about mafia. My favorite town role is probably the doctor because I think they're pretty damn useful, especially if there's a strong (seemingly) town member in need of protecting, which is what I would do. My favorite mafia role would probably be the godfather because you're mafia, but untouchable by cops' investigations so that there would be no definite evidence I was scum unless I'm lynched. I would use this to help draw suspicion away from me because unless I give off scum tells, no one could know I was scum. I think the serial killer would be my favorite, just because it seems like it would be a fun and challenging role to play as. I'm not sure how exactly I'd use a SK's abilities, though.
4maskwolf:
Everyone: What does everyone think of the 72 hour days. Will this make it easier or harder to find scum?Well all of the days I've seen are 72 hours, so it won't be harder than usual unless we have a puzzle to be solving at the same time.
Whew... glad that's done. Now I'm off to read stuff!
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 11:27:22 am
Webadict: I read the student handbook! What does it say about..'threatening' the teacher? What about 'voting' for them?It says threatening a teacher is, and I quote, "Really, really stupid." Ah, here it is, under student conduct. "Do not threaten the teachers. It's really, really stupid." Seems like you didn't read the Student Handbook, Tiruin. Don't lie to me next time.
I guess you could vote me for greatest teacher, if you like.
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Also, I query if it is possible to influence flavor!Query pending. I'll talk with Mr. Nerjin over student eligibility. He's more in charge of the administrative announcements.
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> Are there roleflips in the game?Roleflips? Are you threatening students as well? How deliciously Evil. And what mechanics? Is Hermione doing something she's not supposed to?!
> Would it benefit the masses if we nitpicked these kinds of mechanics?
I'll give the first finger to Webadict.Giving people the finger is awfully rude.
Waaait.Well, typically dark magic is used for lazy people that don't have a Clapper. I suppose you could summon a shadow meteor, but who would do that? Oh right, anyone that wanted to because we're witches and wizards.
Webadict: Is summoning meteors under dark magic?
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 11:42:45 am
This is particularly true because I have a specific suspicion that I am trying to verify.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 11:47:52 am
Don't lie to me next time.It was..curiosity! Handbooks are like the law: always what is stated and..wordy and.
Yeah you're right. Just making sure on all accounts.
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xDI'll give the first finger to Webadict.Giving people the finger is awfully rude.
Sorry. Just couldn't resist.
Hm. I do note that-though I've also first mistook-that the # of scum were defined by the 3 mentioned.Waaait.Well, typically dark magic is used for lazy people that don't have a Clapper. I suppose you could summon a shadow meteor, but who would do that? Oh right, anyone that wanted to because we're witches and wizards.
Webadict: Is summoning meteors under dark magic?
Spoiler: Semantics analysis, ho! (click to show/hide)
Though, part of me wonders if this detail on meteors pertain to something..deeper. Or, if Webadict..like, has some telepathic bond to the chalk that he can 'call' and detail what's holding him up.
Or how one can word the flavor to be blatant like this. :I
Must be just me overthinking. >_> However I can't see any sign of puzzle as of late, though.
Webadict: Is darkness directly associated with Evil?
Mr. Wub Badict: What's holding you up, sir?
Leafysnail
Tiruin: yeah I think being concise is a good thing to do, it makes the game much easier to read.O-o
This is particularly true because I have a specific suspicion that I am trying to verify.
You're cryptic as always. :I
And always interesting. Blargh.
May I take note that your posting is not directly related to activity?
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 12:09:00 pm
Webadict: Is darkness directly associated with Evil?Why would darkness be associated with Evil? I already told you the lame things dark magic can do. Doesn't sound all that Evil to me.
Mr. Wub Badict: What's holding you up, sir?
I'm... uh... going to teach from a saf... remote location for the meantime. I wouldn't worry about it.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 12:12:36 pm
Everyone: Probability/speculation on a rocks fall, everyone [dies] scenario?
Too many hints for it to be serious, though, but..those hints.
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 12:32:41 pm
Everyone: Probability/speculation on a rocks fall, everyone [dies] scenario?My guess is about 6000%. But, I'm a history teacher, so I can really only speculate well on the past.
Post by: RangerCado on January 25, 2014, 12:33:40 pm
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And as for the seemingling baseless questioning towards your vote, how do we know you don't have some ability that affects people you merely vote for? That could be a powerful ability if it exists.You don’t. But A, when have I ever not done exactly this? Seriously, every game i’ve played on the board i’ve opened with a random vote to my knowledge, no matter mine alignment. B, you don’t, but why use it so early if I did have one?
RangerCado: thank you for the explanation, though I had already concluded that that was what you were doing. A question: since items are in the game, do you think that there are roles capable of interacting with items?Probably. My thinking is that at most probably half of us have items and atleast 1 role probably roleblocks them specifically... or i'm over thinking this. To put it simply, yes, there probably is. (Possibly a hoarder third party who gets to keep items and wins if he/she has a certain percentage?)
Wuba: Is it possible to have more than 1 item?
Hapah and leafsnail seem to not to be doing much.Well, Hapah posted he was gone for the day, and theres also the fact of it now the weekend where no one is under any obligation to post.
Tiruin: Are you talking about my experience? I know how most roles work, I've seen a couple games too get the gist, this is my first game because its the first one available.Generally not the best idea. I learned that the hard way with Magic Mafia and made a load of mistakes, but i'm over most of them. Best idea is to wait for a BM to open up next time, but i'm sure you'll be fine.
... >_>The way for Town to win is probably linked to the items in some way, and if we don't figure it out we all die. Scum may win if they manage to kill us all before X amount of days. All theory but... it may hold some truth.
Everyone: Probability/speculation on a rocks fall, everyone [dies] scenario?
Too many hints for it to be serious, though, but..those hints.
Question time!
H. Walnuts: Although I can understand not understanding at first whats going on, you really aren’t making much of an effort to actually hunt at all, only inquiring people who were currently on instead of floundering about a bit it seems. If you think your in over your head, I would ask that you request replacement, but I really want you to get started on this okay?
MOWE: Hm… I was hoping for something more creative in the answer department, but okay. Whats your take on the situation with the items in this game?
Tiruin: What kinds of clues are you looking for from Wuba? Have you considered also trying Nerjin?
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 12:37:55 pm
Tiruin: What kinds of clues are you looking for from Wuba? Have you considered also trying Nerjin?...Anything, actually. Specifying it? I'm thinking along anything, literally. Stuff are mostly in-flavor, but there are parts which are still left to be uncovered-though I feel now that it is more role/alignment related than anything else now, given the responses (and the humor, which added a nice spice to it)
Nerjin is busy but..good idea.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 12:46:52 pm
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 12:55:10 pm
Wuba: Is it possible to have more than 1 item?I don't know how. Maybe if they were talented enough. Or had more arms.
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 01:00:13 pm
- Bah. Weekend study because I slept in class. It's so unfair!!
*sings* Answering in order, because I can...
Makeinu: What would you do to someone you think is puzzle solving too much to hunt scum?
Wait. There's a difference? I thought finding scum was the puzzle. Your question makes no sense to me...
makeinu: So you've narrowed down some of the people that are Not Evil, from some careful observation, and one of them is attacking you, what do you do?
Same damn thing I'd do if I hadn't narrowed them down as Not Evil: question my assumptions, reread the evidence, dig into and refute why they're attacking me. Good scum can't be easily distinguished from town, because good scum don't play at being town.
Makeinu: In the last game of BM, you were scum and lynched Day 1. What would you have done differently, thinking back on it?
Not a goddamned thing. I had fun being as openly scummy as I could. There are reasons I did it that way, and I won't discuss them until that game is over.
makeinu~ <3 How're you doing? Given the 'different' setup, what would be your basic priorities in the first place? There's always hunting scum, but do you think there is an underlying puzzle within the context?
Also, how would you treat a scummy looking person-and what tools will you use to do so (mafia context)?
I'm doing very well, actually, in real life. I've gotten very good news recently, and other things are finally falling into place, so that I can get back to my life for reals. That will mean, sadly, far less time for this sort of thing.
By different, I have to assume you're referring to the theme and the semi-bastard setup, wherein we can be lied to but "not 100%". Priorities are always hunting scum, but I'm assuming that there are hidden win conditions as well, and those will be interesting to explore. The underlying puzzle within the context I'm very sure exists. Do expect some role playing out of me, dahlink, as this seems the perfect setup for it, and I do love a good role play. Kitten with a whip rowr!
Treat a scummy looking person the same as I would in any other setting, however. Scum have this way of breaking under pressure, chuno?
2. I would never lie 100% of the time to you, Tiruin.
*blinks adorably* Would you lie 100% of the time to me, Mr Badict? I lurv it when you lie to me... *waggles eyebrows*
Okay. That was a little creepy, even I have to admit. :P
Leafsnail, makeinu, Tiruin: Since we have a pretty much confirmed 3 player scum team, what kind of patterns may crop up among these three interacting and how would you use them to hunt?
Oh goody! I always wanted to be on a scum team with Tiruin, and now I am! In your question, that is.
I would expect to see no patterns between them. If there are identifiable patterns between them, then they're giving themselves away, and that makes me a sad pony. However, no pattern between them, meaning no readily identifiable consistency in interaction, can itself be a pattern, and so that's something to watch for.
Everyone: What does everyone think of the 72 hour days. Will this make it easier or harder to find scum?
I'm more used to 48-hour days in mafia. 72 seems generous to me, as do day extensions. I rather like that longer time period, as it makes it harder for scum to manipulate the vote directly, though the hammer mechanism overrides that to a significant degree.
1. Well, probably. I'd suggest doing cartwheels first though. They're easier.
You've obviously never tried to do cartwheels then.
Makinu, are you deliberately making a role and item claim there? Don't answer this if you think doing so would give too much info to scum.
Nah, baby, I'm just getting into the party!
Also I infer that by 'importance' you mean...by innocence, right? What did you judge all questions towards you on, as in, what did you mean behind that importance-of-questions?[/list]
Class. President.
Duh! :P
I had, literally, time only for that post, and you always answer the Class President!
*watches Tiruin play Pat-a-cake with the new students for a while*
makeinu
What the heck are doing? Are you failing miserably to be subtle in a roleclaim or something? You're better than this. Get in here, you bum.
You have no idea... *sniffs, picks lint from mastacheese's jacket, flicks it away*
For the record, dealing with a personal crisis. I'll be in here when I have the chance.No excuses!
No, really, crisis. Deal, man, I got issues.
Makeinu: the reason it was seen as a role claim is that the current consensus is that there is some sort of flirt character in the game, which caused everyone to jump on that as a role-claim. If you were a beginner, I would be inclined to agree, but you aren't, which leads to an irritating mental WIFOM. My point is: don't be surprised they made a possible miscue.
Keepin' 'em guessin' OH YEAH!! *does irritating Vector dance*
No not really, I don't see how these questions do anything. Are you sure its un-!!FUN!! for the person lynched though?
They sure seem to have your knickers in a twist. Do random questions bother you? Are you afraid of what you might get asked? Does it worry you that you might slip?
mastacheese.You make an excellent point, good sir.
Hapah and leafsnail seem to not to be doing much.
Do you wish to do anything about this matter? Or simply delegate it to me?
I'm just a noob so I'm not sure what to do, you seem to know what to do. But I am keeping in mind that you could be scum.Just point it out to them. Put their names in bold to draw their attention, and ask them why they're being inactive.
Here, I'll do Leafsnail, you do Hapah, so you can get used to it.
Leafsnail:
You've only posted once so far. How much attention are you paying to the game? What are your current thoughts/reads at this time?
Hapah: Can you please explain the lack of posts?
Oh, neat! Collusion!
That's not suspicious AT ALL!! Nothing to see here folks!
Out of curiosity, has a GM ever been lynched? Or at least voted lynched?
*raises hand* I have been.
Strangely, all the votes got erased. Somehow. <.< ... >.>
I'll give the first finger to Webadict.Giving people the finger is awfully rude.
Are you kidding me? You can do awesome magic with fingers!
Quote from: makeinuAnd as for the seemingling baseless questioning towards your vote, how do we know you don't have some ability that affects people you merely vote for? That could be a powerful ability if it exists.You don’t. But A, when have I ever not done exactly this? Seriously, every game i’ve played on the board i’ve opened with a random vote to my knowledge, no matter mine alignment. B, you don’t, but why use it so early if I did have one?
Wait, wut?
I know that I've used all those words before, but never in that exact order.
There! Homework done! Now I can... what do you... Aww man! I have to ask my own questions too? Jeeze Louise...
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 01:08:25 pm
Nobody likes a suck up, makeinu.2. I would never lie 100% of the time to you, Tiruin.
*blinks adorably* Would you lie 100% of the time to me, Mr Badict? I lurv it when you lie to me... *waggles eyebrows*
That is incredibly inappropriate to talk about in school.I'll give the first finger to Webadict.Giving people the finger is awfully rude.
Are you kidding me? You can do awesome magic with fingers!
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 01:11:40 pm
Nobody likes a suck up, makeinu.2. I would never lie 100% of the time to you, Tiruin.
*blinks adorably* Would you lie 100% of the time to me, Mr Badict? I lurv it when you lie to me... *waggles eyebrows*
not true. Some people do like suck ups. They're just generally not very good people.
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That is incredibly inappropriate to talk about in school.I'll give the first finger to Webadict.Giving people the finger is awfully rude.
Are you kidding me? You can do awesome magic with fingers!
You have a very dirty mind. :P
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 01:21:39 pm
not true. Some people do like suck ups. They're just generally not very good people.That's a very generalistic view coming from you.
You have a very dirty mind. :PDid I get a name change to Mr. Kettle?
Post by: Hapah on January 25, 2014, 02:23:11 pm
Wuba: Is NQT Confirmed Good or Confirmed Not Evil? Are all 3rd Parties Evil?Are you Good?
@Hapah: Are you Good? Don't use lack of time as an excuse, it's a simple question.I'm not Evil, so I guess so?
Hapah: NQT is confirmed not evil. That does not mean that NQT is not a third party, it merely means that NQT isn't one of the rock summoners.I dunno, when I asked Wuba if NQT was Not Evil or Good he said "Yes". I think he's Good until proven otherwise.
Hapah: Can you please explain the lack of posts?My wife wanted to go hang out with her friends after work, had some drinks and played Cards Against Humanity. It's...something, lol. Like playing Mafia but the spouse trumps it.
"Puzzle solving" in a bastard game usually references trying to figure out how much the game has changed, how it works, what's broken, etc. etc. Prime examples would be Mein Kampf Mafia or the Witches Coven games, maybe that Temple game that Meph ran.Makeinu: What would you do to someone you think is puzzle solving too much to hunt scum?Wait. There's a difference? I thought finding scum was the puzzle. Your question makes no sense to me...
Six new pages and not a lot of meat, but I guess it is D1.
The clues I'm looking at are the pieces of information that webadict has carefully avoided telling us. I encourage everyone else to do the same.Seconded. Even the kinda dismissive or nonsensical answers might have something useful in them; I know at least one does.
Caz: Care to join us?
Walnut: Assuming scum have a normal kill, what do you think the odds of NQT getting killed tonight are? What would you do as scum?
Toaster, Leaf: What do you two make of the Good/Not Evil thing? I think I've got the right of it, but I'd value your opinions.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 02:28:24 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 25, 2014, 03:26:54 pm
First, would the impeding doom from the meteor mean a loss for everyone (unless those people who have applicable wincons) if we don't do this in time?
Second, the first post of day 1 by Mr. Wub Addict says that the "annual fundraiser" is this week. Any ideas on what that could be?
Third, I still have doubts about NQT. He might be good, but could still be corrupt (as is hinted in the first post).
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 25, 2014, 05:22:15 pm
A couple things:
First, would the impeding doom from the meteor mean a loss for everyone (unless those people who have applicable wincons) if we don't do this in time?
Second, the first post of day 1 by Mr. Wub Addict says that the "annual fundraiser" is this week. Any ideas on what that could be?
Third, I still have doubts about NQT. He might be good, but could still be corrupt (as is hinted in the first post).
One more thing: How much do you think NQT can influence the vote? It's likely that his vote counts more than ours.
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 08:01:30 pm
“Dr. Nerjin !” Shouted the students in shock. Dr. Nerjin was a reclusive substitute teacher who only showed up… Well when the world was threatened to be ending. While amusing in his own way none of the students really knew much about him other than his love for Revolvers and the fact that, despite all laws to the contrary, he wore a Revolver at his hip.
“Yes yes. It is I.” Dr. Nerjn said in his characteristic over-compensated drawl. For some reason each word he spoke seemed to take several seconds to say. “What the devil is going on in here?” He asked as he glanced at the board.
“Well three students summoned the meteor that is gonna destr-“ Notquitethere started but was cut off when her desk sprouted a hole thanks to Dr. Nerjin’s shooting of it.
“I’m well aware.”
“How are you not fired?” Notquitethere asked in a bored tone. This was basically par for the course with Dr. Nerjin. He seemed to have some way of not getting fired when he did outrageous things such as: Shoot at student, light the school on fire (Gaining the admiration of most students), and even teaching the children false information about how the universe was created by a giant toad. The closest he had come had been when he’d committed the heinous crime of actually enjoying school food.
“Magic.” The good Doctor replied.
“So uh… Do you know who did it?”
“Yes.”
“Oh, who was it?” Notquitethere asked. The rest of the class leaned forward, eager to learn this secret.
“Couldn’t tell you.”
“Wha? Why the hell not?” One of the students shouted.
“Because I’m on break.”
“But you just got here!”
Placing his, most likely illegal to own, revolver on the desk Dr. Nerjin asked “So?” With that said he slowly walked out of the room.
Turning towards eachother the Flirt and Nerd whispered “Why did he even come in if he was just gonna leave?”
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz - Hapah,
Hapah - Leafsnail,
HissihnWalnuts - Tiruin,
Leafsnail -
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
notquitethere -
RangerCado -
TheDarkStar -
Tiruin - notquitethere,
Toaster -
Not Voting - 4maskwolf, Caz, HissihnWalnuts, makeinu, mastahcheese, MyOwnWorstEnemy, RangerCado, TheDarkStar, Toaster,
7 To Hammer. Day Ends Tuesday 9 PM Central.
Make sure I didn't miss your vote.
Post by: Nerjin on January 25, 2014, 08:07:43 pm
Nerjin, how could you allow such an insane madman to pit us all against each other like this?
I'm only the announcer. I'm a less glorified secretary. I have nothing at all to do with hiring practices or students or really anything. They hand me a paper, I read the paper and then I play patty-cake with my desk until school is over.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 08:32:29 pm
Anyways I cant seem to see someone ultra suspicious, but leafsnail, and hapah have done some lurking. I think I have to go with leaf snail if I don't find anyone later.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 08:38:16 pm
I'm not sure were my name is in red but I'm not going to argue...Erm, grammar-poke. :P
Anyways I cant seem to see someone ultra suspicious, but leafsnail, and hapah have done some lurking. I think I have to go with leaf snail if I don't find anyone later.
So..I really get the feel like you're missing things (not expected but..just a feeling).
Here are handy links, redirecting to the Beginner's Mafia (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=133728.0)/Mafia Tutorial (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=39338.0) Original thread post, for details on why colors are used.
Please read up..
Because you've missed my question: Link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4947223;topicseen#msg4947223)
This is a summary of all posts directed to you: Link. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949991#msg4949991)
What expected question will arise is "Why exactly Leafsnail compared to the rest; I mean, lurking? Why?"
PFP
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 08:39:51 pm
I'm not Evil, so I guess so?I make that you obviously don't know what the town win condition is. Your previous question to NQT makes no sense if you yourself were told that you were "not Evil" rather than good.
[...]
Toaster, Leaf: What do you two make of the Good/Not Evil thing? I think I've got the right of it, but I'd value your opinions.
But don't worry, you're not alone in that respect.
1. I'm not convinced yet that NQT isn't third-party. The definition given was "not evil", which is slightly different from good. That being said, I don't think we need to worry about NQT right now, because s/he isn't one of the rock summoners.This post makes no sense unless 4maskwolf did not receive a "not Evil" PM - that PM would have instantly cleared up the confusion he has.
Well, not evil also means neutral/good, but then Web did define evil--it also goes to reason that we can't put this 'not evil/evil' on an interval scale: It just assumed that our Class President is...not malevolent.Same here. There's no way someone who knows that their own alignment is "not Evil" would find it ambiguous that someone else's alignment is also "not Evil".
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 08:44:42 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 08:46:35 pm
And HissinhWalnuts, I still want to hear why you thought the game hadn't started.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 08:49:58 pm
A mafia player might want to talk as little as possible so he doesn't slip up, and become suspicious. But of course, your the one voting against me, so questioning my every move isn't abnormal.*looks at self*
Ahahaahahahahhaahhaha
*monotonous laugh*
Riiight. >_>
That explains all my other games wherein I played as Mafia.
Context of why you conclude [Mafia player does x/y], H. Walnuts? Seems more of you being used to RL mafia than not. Also please address my questions, please?
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 08:50:31 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 08:51:04 pm
So my question to the three of you - that's Hapah, 4maskwolf and Tiruin - is: what is your real alignment? Are you the three meteor summoners?...I'm a mage, and I've no idea what my alignment is. Neutral Good I guess?
Also I was reading per post >_> Y u so pushy.
And why do you ask? PPE'd
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 08:55:12 pm
Also you know they dont exactly have to tell the truth. They could just lie about their alignment
Tiruin: My brain is telling me the most logical way a player would act. Also, it seems i already answered them considering they tell me to state my experience, which i have done multiple times.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 08:57:15 pm
Same here. There's no way someone who knows that their own alignment is "not Evil" would find it ambiguous that someone else's alignment is also "not Evil".And to argue on this point-the state of being evil attracts curiosity given that NQT is both-Good, and declared 'Not Evil'.
While the simplest sense would be similarities in synonyms, I choose to poke at it..entirely--it may be a waste of time but hey, fun with bastard games.
I get the feeling that you're approaching this with more certainty than not; what are you thinking about it, Leafsnail?
Tiruin: My brain is telling me the most logical way a player would act. Also, it seems i already answered them considering they tell me to state my experience, which i have done multiple times.OK, Tip 1: Bold or address the person/quote the post the question is in (It looks like (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/Themes/darkling/images/bbc/quote.gif)) to ensure they know.
Tip 2: Wording. Using second person pronouns..do not help much if the post in question is a long while before.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 09:05:27 pm
Tiruin and MastahCheese: what is your opinion of the players who have posted since the beginning of the game. Any of them strike you as suspicious?It's really too early for me to speculate.
What about you, what are your thoughts?
Tiruin
... >_>I say that just because it says it needs three people to summon the meteor, doesn't mean there isn't more than three people. So everyone needs to die, clearly. The only way to be sure we got them all.
Everyone: Probability/speculation on a rocks fall, everyone [dies] scenario?
Too many hints for it to be serious, though, but..those hints.
RangerCado
First off, I asked you that, not makeinu.Quote from: makeinuAnd as for the seemingling baseless questioning towards your vote, how do we know you don't have some ability that affects people you merely vote for? That could be a powerful ability if it exists.You don’t. But A, when have I ever not done exactly this? Seriously, every game i’ve played on the board i’ve opened with a random vote to my knowledge, no matter mine alignment. B, you don’t, but why use it so early if I did have one?
As for A, that's a good point.
And for B, it would clearly depend on the power.
You seem a tad defensive.
makeinu
Oh, my apologizes, good sir/ma-am/whatever, I'll leave the newbies to drown next time. How rather un-quaint of me. I must beg your pardon, old chap.Spoiler: me trying to help H. Walnuts (click to show/hide)
Oh, neat! Collusion!
That's not suspicious AT ALL!! Nothing to see here folks!
Darkstar! Answer my flippin' question, dang it!
TheDarkStar
Are you scum again?
God dang it, Caz. Get in here.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 09:06:54 pm
<_<
Nerjin/Webadict: Are anyone of the players teachers or something?
May we know the reason we were so kill-happy at...the lack of Dr. Web's not-arrival?
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 09:11:31 pm
I'm not actually sure as to what "lynching" will do in this game.
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 09:11:45 pm
makeinuOh, my apologizes, good sir/ma-am/whatever, I'll leave the newbies to drown next time. How rather un-quaint of me. I must beg your pardon, old chap.Spoiler: me trying to help H. Walnuts (click to show/hide)
Oh, neat! Collusion!
That's not suspicious AT ALL!! Nothing to see here folks!
Pip pip!
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God dang it, Caz. Get in here.
Can we all please stop yelling at Caz? He has a doctor's note:
I won't be around from 23rd-28th, may have spotty internet access on a phone but dunno if I'll be able to form posts.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 09:16:44 pm
A couple people have asked me what my views on the other players are, in response to my asking them the same thing. So, here it is
Caz:
Tiruin: You are running the current BM, yet have given very little helpful advice to our new player. Why?
Oh, I was supposed to give an opinion. Has posted a lot, but other than that, no idea.
The Master of Cheese: A tad defensive, but nothing definitive.
I don't have enough info on anyone else for a post, except...
Wuba: A bastard mod.
Also:
So my question to the three of you - that's Hapah, 4maskwolf and Tiruin - is: what is your real alignment? Are you the three meteor summoners?Erm... I don't know. I'm not evil, Wuba said we would know if we were evil.
And HissinhWalnuts, I still want to hear why you thought the game hadn't started.
LeafSnail: Do you think that there is an actual town, or that everyone is a third party except scum?
If I missed a question, just tell me the page and I'll find it.
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 09:17:32 pm
Well, the inquisitor is kill-happy, because he doesn't follow your frelling rules.
I'm not actually sure as to what "lynching" will do in this game.
I'd wager Dr. Nerjin's gun was not left here by accident.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 09:18:52 pm
Can we all please stop yelling at Caz? He has a doctor's note:...Very well. I shall resume my annoyances at a later time.I won't be around from 23rd-28th, may have spotty internet access on a phone but dunno if I'll be able to form posts.
...I had not thought of that.Well, the inquisitor is kill-happy, because he doesn't follow your frelling rules.I'd wager Dr. Nerjin's gun was not left here by accident.
I'm not actually sure as to what "lynching" will do in this game.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 09:20:58 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 09:22:52 pm
Caz:get in here.Makeinu reminded me of the fact that he posted his inability to post in the near future. Should we sub him out for Persus?
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Day Ends Tuesday 9 PM Central.
That gives Caz a day to say something at least.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 09:23:40 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 09:23:58 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 09:26:03 pm
Makeinu: Very well, limited answer accepted. What is your rationale behind believing that assisting a new player learn the game is sinister?
I don't. I merely commented that they appeared to be colluding on whom to question out of the 'lurkers'.
That seemed somewhat teamy to me.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 09:26:45 pm
Tiruin: You are running the current BM, yet have given very little helpful advice to our new player. Why?I feel hurt.
Oh, I was supposed to give an opinion. Has posted a lot, but other than that, no idea.
The Master of Cheese: A tad defensive, but nothing definitive.
I don't have enough info on anyone else for a post, except...[...]
Very little helpful advice?
>__>
Really?
...And why does that denote a FoS?
PFP
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 09:27:51 pm
Makeinu: hem hem... question. An answer is pending.
Patience is a virtue.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 09:30:14 pm
...I'm a mage, and I've no idea what my alignment is. Neutral Good I guess?Isn't it obvious that I'd want to ask someone about their not-being-town? Does that not seem like an interesting line of questioning to pursue?
Also I was reading per post >_> Y u so pushy.
And why do you ask? PPE'd
I don't really believe you, but I'll make my main point in my next post. You should see where I'm going then.
Also you know they dont exactly have to tell the truth. They could just lie about their alignmentAnd I could just crush that lie by pointing out that their posts contradict it.
And to argue on this point-the state of being evil attracts curiosity given that NQT is both-Good, and declared 'Not Evil'.You admitted that you did not receive a "not Evil" role PM in your previous post, so I don't get what you're saying here. I'll get to what I'm thinking about below.
While the simplest sense would be similarities in synonyms, I choose to poke at it..entirely--it may be a waste of time but hey, fun with bastard games.
I get the feeling that you're approaching this with more certainty than not; what are you thinking about it, Leafsnail?
Erm... I don't know. I'm not evil, Wuba said we would know if we were evil.No he didn't.
LeafSnail: Do you think that there is an actual town, or that everyone is a third party except scum?I think there is a town. Although it's not really a standard one.
Also this post makes it pretty obvious that you're scum just FYI.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 09:34:16 pm
Tiruin: You are running the current BM, yet have given very little helpful advice to our new player. Why?I feel hurt.
Oh, I was supposed to give an opinion. Has posted a lot, but other than that, no idea.
The Master of Cheese: A tad defensive, but nothing definitive.
I don't have enough info on anyone else for a post, except...[...]
Very little helpful advice?
>__>
Really?
...And why does that denote a FoS?
PFP
Very well. You were giving advice, in a very "get to playing the game and answer the damn question" kind of way. While I was giving advice on how to prepare and MastahCheese was directly instructing himm you approached it from a very blunt, this is how we play the game now play it kind of way, at least from my perspective. THAT is why I pointed it out, though in admittedly poor wording.
Tiruin: I was told in my previous game, by one of the players who is modding this game and playing that one, that emotional comments will not turn good results. You have included a fair few remarks grounded in emotion this game: is this just the way you play?
Leafsnail: If I'm obviously scum, vote for me. Why are you withholding your vote? Also, read the line right before the vote count. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.60)
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 09:36:21 pm
Or, you know, third party. Because a third party could just as legitimately ask this question as a scum. Or town without a clear win condition. This is a bastard mod....I'm a mage, and I've no idea what my alignment is. Neutral Good I guess?Isn't it obvious that I'd want to ask someone about their not-being-town? Does that not seem like an interesting line of questioning to pursue?
Also I was reading per post >_> Y u so pushy.
And why do you ask? PPE'd
I don't really believe you, but I'll make my main point in my next post. You should see where I'm going then.Also you know they dont exactly have to tell the truth. They could just lie about their alignmentAnd I could just crush that lie by pointing out that their posts contradict it.And to argue on this point-the state of being evil attracts curiosity given that NQT is both-Good, and declared 'Not Evil'.You admitted that you did not receive a "not Evil" role PM in your previous post, so I don't get what you're saying here. I'll get to what I'm thinking about below.
While the simplest sense would be similarities in synonyms, I choose to poke at it..entirely--it may be a waste of time but hey, fun with bastard games.
I get the feeling that you're approaching this with more certainty than not; what are you thinking about it, Leafsnail?Erm... I don't know. I'm not evil, Wuba said we would know if we were evil.No he didn't.LeafSnail: Do you think that there is an actual town, or that everyone is a third party except scum?I think there is a town. Although it's not really a standard one.
Also this post makes it pretty obvious that you're scum just FYI.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 09:38:59 pm
My apologies for the rant, everyone.
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 09:39:28 pm
Aaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil. Have fun. Ask away, foolish fools. I'm sure I forgot to explain something.
:|
4maskwolf: please trim your post quotes down to the relevant portions only. Walls of text are annoying when they're necessary and relevant. They are infuriating when quoted unnecessarily.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 09:40:38 pm
Did you? I was talking more on what we discussed pages earlier-the speculations on Good/Evil/Not Evil beforehand. The basis too, was in Web's post given the two differences (while the simplest way could be 'Synonyms' I'm playing a more complex task at poking it), so that's my explanation for it.And to argue on this point-the state of being evil attracts curiosity given that NQT is both-Good, and declared 'Not Evil'.You admitted that you did not receive a "not Evil" role PM in your previous post, so I don't get what you're saying here. I'll get to what I'm thinking about below.
While the simplest sense would be similarities in synonyms, I choose to poke at it..entirely--it may be a waste of time but hey, fun with bastard games.
I get the feeling that you're approaching this with more certainty than not; what are you thinking about it, Leafsnail?
...Now I'm really wanting to see that post, compared to the brief responses earlier.LeafSnail: Do you think that there is an actual town, or that everyone is a third party except scum?I think there is a town. Although it's not really a standard one.
Also this post makes it pretty obvious that you're scum just FYI.
It's like a trickling faucet. More comes the more it is pressured!
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I don't really believe you, but I'll make my main point in my next post. You should see where I'm going then.I always leave the line open.
PPE:
>_>Tiruin: You are running the current BM, yet have given very little helpful advice to our new player. Why?I feel hurt.
Oh, I was supposed to give an opinion. Has posted a lot, but other than that, no idea.
The Master of Cheese: A tad defensive, but nothing definitive.
I don't have enough info on anyone else for a post, except...[...]
Very little helpful advice?
>__>
Really?
...And why does that denote a FoS?
PFP
Very well. You were giving advice, in a very "get to playing the game and answer the damn question" kind of way. While I was giving advice on how to prepare and MastahCheese was directly instructing himm you approached it from a very blunt, this is how we play the game now play it kind of way, at least from my perspective. THAT is why I pointed it out, though in admittedly poor wording.
Tiruin: I was told in my previous game, by one of the players who is modding this game and playing that one, that emotional comments will not turn good results. You have included a fair few remarks grounded in emotion this game: is this just the way you play?
Addressing per piece.
1. I didn't intend to do the 'answer the damn question', with emphasis there-game. If you mean I intend to do so like the last two games, I was experimenting with formatting. I fail to see how you see assertion in my posts however. It is quite...interesting that your perspective is like it. Care to answer why?
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While I was giving advice on how to prepare and MastahCheese was directly instructing himm you approached it from a very blunt, this is how we play the game now play it kind of way, at least from my perspective.Wow. That's a nnice generalization! Care to quote those exact spots, compared to you and MC?
What relevance has that to your FoS, since you didn't state it?
3.
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I was told in my previous game, by one of the players who is modding this game and playing that one, that emotional comments will not turn good results. You have included a fair few remarks grounded in emotion this game: is this just the way you play?*looks at Nerjin*
You don't speak of other games while its still in play. Next, describe said emotional comments-because those are usually not related to the game (and..really. Emotional appeal being the intent? Damn me before that is sincerely my intent. I am disgusted at manipulative play, and do not like it when people assume such of me-however that is expected, hence me explaining it).
Lastly: Do quote those remarks grounded in emotion--what was your impression upon reading them?
Leafsnail: If I'm obviously scum, vote for me. Why are you withholding your vote? Also, read the line right before the vote count. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.60)He said he'd post with the whole thing next.
And 3 new replies!
>_>
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 09:42:47 pm
What webadict promised us: That he wouldn't lie. With that in mind, let's analyze the information we've been given.
1. There is a meteor coming.
2. Three students summoned that meteor.
3. NQT is Not Evil.
4. You will be told if you are evil (I misread that rule before, sorry for contradicting you 4maskwolf. Doesn't actually affect my overall argument though)
Now, what things did he not tell us? What things is webadict trying to make us think without actually explicitly stating them?
1. The meteor was summoned by evil students.
2. The goal of not Evil people is to eliminate evil people.
3. All people who are "not Evil" have the same alignment.
4. Evilness has some kind of link to alignment.
What's my conclusion? It's that there's absolutely no reason to think that NQT is cleared of being someone we need to kill. I'll go further - the fact that webadict is trying to imply that notquitethere is cleared while providing no direct statement that he is is incredibly suspicious and to me strongly suggests that he is a person we need to kill. My original idea was that the three summoners are NQT, Nerjin and webadict, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
This is why I'm not voting you, by the way, 4maskwolf - I think you think that you're scum, but that you actually aren't.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 09:45:56 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 09:53:30 pm
Or, you know, third party. Because a third party could just as legitimately ask this question as a scum. Or town without a clear win condition. This is a bastard mod.In case it isn't now obvious, I was trying to find out if other people had equally vague win conditions before making my case against NQT.
LeafSnail: The fact of the matter is that you seem to be thinking of this as a normal mafia game. The description of a bastard mod says that you may not be told your win condition, meaning that someone who is a town power role, in a bastard mafia with standard roles, could not know whether or not they are actually town or if they are third party.I'm not - I'm looking for the twist. If a bastard mod promises not to lie then you should be looking at the unspoken implications they're making.
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 09:55:28 pm
Nerjin/Webadict: Are anyone of the players teachers or something?What are you talking about? Playing what? Is this a game to you? Have I not assigned enough homework?
May we know the reason we were so kill-happy at...the lack of Dr. Web's not-arrival?
I don't have enough info on anyone else for a post, except...I'm a history teacher, but I guess you went past that.
Wuba: A bastard mod.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 10:02:05 pm
I've some words to say, Leafsnail-but am held up at the moment. Skimmed your post. Detected discrepancies.
Also...
Everyone: Do you think we should play this...literally? All responses made from Web are...literal. As in-context wise.
Do you think flavor plays a greater role here?
Post by: Nerjin on January 25, 2014, 10:04:30 pm
Everyone: Do you think we should play this...literally? All responses made from Web are...literal. As in-context wise.
Do you think flavor plays a greater role here?
All I know is my gut says maybe.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 10:08:53 pm
Some examples of what you said to HissihnWalnuts that I interpreted to be somewhat sharp. However, I would like to note that this is MY opinion, and not necessarily the intent of the authot (you).
There are two main meanings to the bolded part (where I live, I'm sure other places in the United States and the world at large that may have additional meanings attached to that statement): either as a joke, or as a snide comment. Now, to be clear, I am a pessimist who sees the worst in things, so my reading was obviously tainted, but I read it as the latter.No all the saying you are x, person is doing x, how do you respond its kinda confusing.It's a query to check what you would do in that kind of situation. Surely you could do that, right?
Umm... I think this is self-explanatory.Yeah, seems no one questioned me though.<_<
Either you're blind, or you fail to see my note to you, H. Walnuts.
Yes I'm mean, because you seem to be lazy.
Also, Nerjin, you're one of the mods in a bastard game. That doesn't hold much weight to me.
Tiruin again: I would say... I have no idea. The rotating items mechanic is enough to make me wonder if something is up, so... I guess my answer would be no.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 10:09:47 pm
Also...webadict never promised that he wouldn't be misleading. In fact, by labelling this a bastard mod, he promised that he would be misleading. Remember his choices in designing this game will all have a purpose - if he wanted NQT to be an actual confirmed townie, why not just outright say he's town rather than being vague and leaving enough wiggleroom for him not to be? If he wanted us all to know NQT is on our side then why not just tell us our win conditions and make it obvious that they line up with his?
Everyone: Do you think we should play this...literally? All responses made from Web are...literal. As in-context wise.
Do you think flavor plays a greater role here?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 10:11:25 pm
Technically, he did. Sort of.Aaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil. Have fun. Ask away, foolish fools. I'm sure I forgot to explain something.
:|
4maskwolf: please trim your post quotes down to the relevant portions only. Walls of text are annoying when they're necessary and relevant. They are infuriating when quoted unnecessarily.
I took what the mod said very seriously about not quoting the mod.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 10:14:36 pm
Unvote.
What webadict promised us: That he wouldn't lie. With that in mind, let's analyze the information we've been given.
1. There is a meteor coming.
2. Three students summoned that meteor.
3. NQT is Not Evil.
4. You will be told if you are evil (I misread that rule before, sorry for contradicting you 4maskwolf. Doesn't actually affect my overall argument though)
Now, what things did he not tell us? What things is webadict trying to make us think without actually explicitly stating them?
1. The meteor was summoned by evil students.
2. The goal of not Evil people is to eliminate evil people.
3. All people who are "not Evil" have the same alignment.
4. Evilness has some kind of link to alignment.
What's my conclusion? It's that there's absolutely no reason to think that NQT is cleared of being someone we need to kill. I'll go further - the fact that webadict is trying to imply that notquitethere is cleared while providing no direct statement that he is is incredibly suspicious and to me strongly suggests that he is a person we need to kill. My original idea was that the three summoners are NQT, Nerjin and webadict, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
This is why I'm not voting you, by the way, 4maskwolf - I think you think that you're scum, but that you actually aren't.
Erm....
Actually, the entire premise of the evil students, unless I am entirely mistaken, is that they summoned the meteor. That... that is the premise of the game, right?
The only parts of this I agree with are the things we have been told and the part about NQT not needing to be killed. NQT was declared not evil, but that doesn't mean that we can just turn our backs.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 10:17:01 pm
@4mask: Now I get it :/ The outlook--I didn't mean to be aggressive (though..wording! Yeah.), just wanted to get H. Walnuts up to shape.
unvote. busy with RL stuffs, reading up in full later.
@Leafsnail:
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why not just outright say he's town rather than being vague and leaving enough wiggleroom for him not to be?I think he did. "Not Evil//Good". I was being semantically poking Web, but such works didn't..lead to any beneficial result.
Other than knowing that Web/Nerjin seem to be mor eon the 'We're actually playing this thing straight' instead of the usual neutral mod commentary. I mean, they are, still seemingly neutral but...in-context.
Webadict: Elucidate us. Do history classes deal with the study of the branches of magic? What are the dark magics classified under? Any theme representing them?
4mask
This rule usually means, yet..is often confused...Technically, he did. Sort of.Aaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil. Have fun. Ask away, foolish fools. I'm sure I forgot to explain something.
:|
4maskwolf: please trim your post quotes down to the relevant portions only. Walls of text are annoying when they're necessary and relevant. They are infuriating when quoted unnecessarily.
I took what the mod said very seriously about not quoting the mod.
Not quoting the mod == Not quoting Mod-related PMs. Like, roles thru PM.
You can quote the posts the mod makes. :P
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Actually, the entire premise of the evil students, unless I am entirely mistaken, is that they summoned the meteor. That... that is the premise of the game, right?I'd agree, but part of me wishes to challenge this. However with lacking evidence, it is right to assume that evil (mafia) did that.
As for why there was stated 'various circumstances' is...hmm. Interesting.
Though It'd best for me to shave with Occam's Razor though. Might be too complexifying these stuffs.
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The only parts of this I agree with are the things we have been told and the part about NQT not needing to be killed. NQT was declared not evil, but that doesn't mean that we can just turn our backs."...Not needing to be killed"? That was assumed, though never directly stated.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 10:22:07 pm
Erm....Tell me: where exactly does webadict say that? He implies it, sure, but false implications is the way you trick people in a bastard game.
Actually, the entire premise of the evil students, unless I am entirely mistaken, is that they summoned the meteor. That... that is the premise of the game, right?
The only parts of this I agree with are the things we have been told and the part about NQT not needing to be killed. NQT was declared not evil, but that doesn't mean that we can just turn our backs.Why did webadict create a setup with an ambiguously confirmed townie if not so that he could make that ambiguously confirmed townie the bad guy?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 25, 2014, 10:24:40 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 10:25:37 pm
Your entire idea is based on the premise that the mod would define evil in a different way than we would. While anything is fair game in a bastard mod game, I find this more far fetched than the other ideas posited.Erm....Tell me: where exactly does webadict say that? He implies it, sure, but false implications is the way you trick people in a bastard game.
Actually, the entire premise of the evil students, unless I am entirely mistaken, is that they summoned the meteor. That... that is the premise of the game, right?The only parts of this I agree with are the things we have been told and the part about NQT not needing to be killed. NQT was declared not evil, but that doesn't mean that we can just turn our backs.Why did webadict create a setup with an ambiguously confirmed townie if not so that he could make that ambiguously confirmed townie the bad guy?
That being said, I will keep your idea in mind.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 10:26:15 pm
Well, as a bastard mod-'bastard' in theory pertains to either roles/mechanics or external forces in-game and mechanics//role abilities. So it's a whole generalization that...doesn't hold up to deeper scrutiny, though--hence why I'm really intersted in your thoughts.I don't understand what you're saying.
I think he did. "Not Evil//Good". I was being semantically poking Web, but such works didn't..lead to any beneficial result.Again, why assume that "Good//Not Evil//Evil" line up with "Town//Not Mafia//Mafia"? As you say, he evaded the questions about what the words actually mean.
Heck, there are regular games flavoured with the town as the bad guys, or with the town and mafia both being sympathetic (or "not evil").
Other than knowing that Web/Nerjin seem to be mor eon the 'We're actually playing this thing straight' instead of the usual neutral mod commentary. I mean, they are, still seemingly neutral but...in-context.What?
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 10:30:48 pm
I'm saying that 'bastard' is a generalization when talking about the game. You can't immediately and fully deduce the whole thing as-is. Because that's..well, for me, quite a lot to deduce in a short amount of time.Well, as a bastard mod-'bastard' in theory pertains to either roles/mechanics or external forces in-game and mechanics//role abilities. So it's a whole generalization that...doesn't hold up to deeper scrutiny, though--hence why I'm really intersted in your thoughts.I don't understand what you're saying.
Couple that with how your posts grow in wording and targeting over time--I'm amused as ever!
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Again, why assume that "Good//Not Evil//Evil" line up with "Town//Not Mafia//Mafia"? As you say, he evaded the questions about what the words actually mean.Yes..he did. However, he can't also just say that Town/Not Mafia/Mafia is the case, because as it seems-we're working along the lines of matching it up.
Heck, there are regular games flavoured with the town as the bad guys, or with the town and mafia both being sympathetic (or "not evil").
Perhaps it means by their abilities (due to context being classroom stuffs--most people onnly truly know each other by how they present..I..ahh...know this by experience. Probably jaded experience but y'know. Get the point). Or how they seem to everyone-given those thoughts.
Meaning: NQT is just a regular p;ayer like anyone else, may have got some specials in her role, and obviously looks good in the public eye. Not casting malice or whatever, just saying my viewpoint (to discard any useless suspicions along that line on me)
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What?Look at all Web/Nerjin's posts. They're all made, or most are made, from the voice and viewpoint of a teacher..-ish person. While it seems 'neutralmodvoice', it's set in the context of what we're playing.
Hence my question.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 10:33:04 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 10:34:49 pm
For example, in Mafia and Masons and Hackers (a game I ran), the town was a ruthless group of money-driven hackers and the mafia were trying to make their actions more ethical. Or how about Witch's Coven 3, where the mafia were the ones who wanted to prevent the apocalypse and have everyone live happily ever after?
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 10:38:40 pm
Town - assumed Good.
Mafia - assumed Evil.
Those terms fall in place because of how one side perceives the other-with the majority term falling suite. Unless the majority is technically 'rawrbadstudent'.
So yep, not taking the moral terminologies by what they really are, but their...symbolic meaning to the majority instead.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 10:39:40 pm
I...the post above is pointed at your post..in the other thread.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 25, 2014, 10:42:48 pm
Darkstar! Answer my flippin' question, dang it!TheDarkStar
Are you scum again?
Nope, I'm finally not scum. I just haven't been posting much due to a few hours of RL today.
Do note that that's probably not the best way to scumhunt. A scum saying "I'm not scum" just just like a non-scum saying "I'm not scum".
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 10:47:20 pm
Your entire idea is based on the premise that the mod would define evil in a different way than we would. While anything is fair game in a bastard mod game, I find this more far fetched than the other ideas posited."Evil" does not imply "mafia". For example, in Mafia and Masons and Hackers the mafia were a group who was trying to stop a corrupt hacking group from performing selfish acts. As another, in Witch's Coven 3 the mafia were a group of witches who were trying to prevent the apocalypse, while the town was largely motivated by misplaced paranoia.
I'm saying that 'bastard' is a generalization when talking about the game. You can't immediately and fully deduce the whole thing as-is. Because that's..well, for me, quite a lot to deduce in a short amount of time.Yes, I post more if I believe I have cracked a game, and yes, I am capable of solving games. You remember The Lonely Prince, right?
Couple that with how your posts grow in wording and targeting over time--I'm amused as ever!
Yes..he did. However, he can't also just say that Town/Not Mafia/Mafia is the case, because as it seems-we're working along the lines of matching it up.If town/not mafia/mafia is the case, then why wouldn't he just say so?
Perhaps it means by their abilities (due to context being classroom stuffs--most people onnly truly know each other by how they present..I..ahh...know this by experience. Probably jaded experience but y'know. Get the point). Or how they seem to everyone-given those thoughts.What do you mean by this?
Meaning: NQT is just a regular p;ayer like anyone else, may have got some specials in her role, and obviously looks good in the public eye. Not casting malice or whatever, just saying my viewpoint (to discard any useless suspicions along that line on me)NQT isn't a regular player like anyone else, though. They were explicitly mentioned in the first post of a thread. That makes them abnormal. At this point you should be thinking: what is the reason for this abnormality? Why would webadict put an unusual public role into his game? Why is he being just vague enough that NQT isn't actually confirmed?
Look at all Web/Nerjin's posts. They're all made, or most are made, from the voice and viewpoint of a teacher..-ish person. While it seems 'neutralmodvoice', it's set in the context of what we're playing.Ok, I see what you mean. I think the fact that they're presenting themselves as characters in the game supports the notion that they could be involved in the meteor summoning.
Hence my question.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 10:50:25 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 10:52:53 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 10:54:03 pm
And who said anything about mafia. It is my understanding that the summoning of rocks to destroy the earth is an evil act, no?
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 10:55:53 pm
Everyone: Do you think we should play this...literally? All responses made from Web are...literal. As in-context wise.I don't understand what you're playing. Am I supposed to be figurative? Is Dr. Nerjin even keeping the class in check? I will give you detention.
Do you think flavor plays a greater role here?
Webadict: Elucidate us. Do history classes deal with the study of the branches of magic? What are the dark magics classified under? Any theme representing them?Seriously Tiruin? Do you even pay attention in class? What have I been doing all year? Flailing my arms and shouting at you?! Because that's probably what I did! But, sure, let's have a remedial magic lesson, because clearly this is magic class, and I'm a magic teacher. You can blame early demonoid contact with our learning magic. When these early humans made contracts with demons, they were able to channel energy through themselves at the cost of whatever the contract was. Many made bad contracts, and so humans looked for better ways to get magic, and eventually worked out how to channel their innate abilities.
I don't know what you think a branch of magic is, but I already told you, dark magic is a really boring and uncommon magic that allows you to summon or control shadows. Just because you're an exchange student doesn't mean you're allowed to screw around and not listen.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 10:59:48 pm
webadict: what proportion of people in this world are evil, would you say?
LeafSnail: he wouldn't outright so so that we wouldn't know what to believe. He likely isn't lung about everything, but he acts like he is so that we don't know what parts to take as absolute truth.Depends on the context. Maybe the world is so cursed by sin and suffering that bringing a meteor down on it is the righteous thing to do. Or maybe the meteor summoners aren't the people we need to lynch in order to stop the meteor.
And who said anything about mafia. It is my understanding that the summoning of rocks to destroy the earth is an evil act, no?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 25, 2014, 11:01:08 pm
TheDarkStar: What do you make of leafsnail's belief about the mod misleading us with regards to the definition of evil?
I think that being "Evil" is completely independent from summoning the meteor. Just because you're evil probably does not mean that you want the world to end. There are probably evil people and then other people who summoned the meteor who hate the world. While it might be true that some people are evil and some are not, I'm not sure that it actually matters that much.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 11:02:18 pm
webadict: How would one go about stopping a meteor, once it has been summoned?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 11:04:05 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 11:05:38 pm
Meaning: NQT is just a regular p;ayer like anyone else, may have got some specials in her role, and obviously looks good in the public eye. Not casting malice or whatever, just saying my viewpoint (to discard any useless suspicions along that line on me)NQT isn't a regular player like anyone else, though. They were explicitly mentioned in the first post of a thread. That makes them abnormal. At this point you should be thinking: what is the reason for this abnormality? Why would webadict put an unusual public role into his game? Why is he being just vague enough that NQT isn't actually confirmed?
Maybe I'm not reading enough into it, but I somewhat assumed that meant NQT is an Innocent Child (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Innocent_Child).
Of course, I'm apparently the only one who's noticed that NQT is both "totally Good" and "Confirmed Not Evil", and not drawing the conclusion that there are three alignments, but only two.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 11:07:51 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 25, 2014, 11:08:58 pm
Or maybe the meteor summoners aren't the people we need to lynch in order to stop the meteor.
Related to this: How do we stop the meteor? I assume that it is necessary for the "Not Evil" people (and possibly those people too) to stop the meteor to win. Is there an item or something (maybe something we have to give to someone like NQT or anyone else with the right role)? Are there people who have to stay alive for long enough? Are there certain things that have to be said or certain actions done?
Also, why can't the teachers move the meteor? Obviously, it is much harder to alter the path of a meteor to hit a planet than to alter it to miss. Could killing all of the summoners stop the meteor?
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 11:09:37 pm
Leafsnail: so if your assumptions were to be valid, where does that leave us? What do you think that it would mean for the game progressing from here?It leaves us with the identity of a mafia member and a good insight into at least one element of this game's puzzle. The game should progress with us lynching said mafia member.
Maybe I'm not reading enough into it, but I somewhat assumed that meant NQT is an Innocent Child (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Innocent_Child).This is a Bastard Game. The entire point of a Bastard Game is to prey on your assumptions. Yes, webadict was clearly trying to imply that NQT is an innocent child, but he never came out and said it directly. Why? Again, if NQT is a genuine Innocent Child, why wouldn't webadict say?
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 11:10:34 pm
Leafsnail (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952754#msg4952754)
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Yes, I post more if I believe I have cracked a game, and yes, I am capable of solving games. You remember The Lonely Prince, right?Err, I never said that you aren't. Did you get that I said you weren't? I mean, the way you were posting always amuses me, like any good player does-they amuse me.
And yep, I did a nice reread and it was awesome. Also, the flavor was awesome. T'was wonderful reading it again and putting myself in any area near Denmark.
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If town/not mafia/mafia is the case, then why wouldn't he just say so?...For the..fun, I believe? Bastard game, methinks the terms are just as they are-terms; it is doomed to failure to speculate so early on without prior evidence--like roleflips/how lynches go or how hammers-if possible-are connected to the bastard-ization-part of the game.
And I really think its terminologies given how Webbyweb states those Not Evil-evil-good stuff in the OP (ie If you haven't received...then you are Not Evil). Checking it with my role-Not Evil is a..nice subset of being not totally evil. Meaning: Presumed town.
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What do you mean by this?Other than what I meant by the Good =town//Evil =mafia; I mean by how good/bad our abilities are. Take the situation on classroom and school in general--we have but one goal: To learn. We have others alongside us. Me guessing how the moral terms apply is by how its analogous to RL.
People discern others by how they act and how they show themselves. NQT, as an example, is a class president (assumed way of being president is democratic class voting...) and the context shows that we are to infer her as Not Evil. Is there any cause behind such? No, not yet-if any, but she was outed for one reason--to serve a role purpose. Now I don't know why there should be a confirmed Not Evil (replacement for "Town" in this game?), but it adds to the mystique. Thus leading to my conclusion above.
Which is..a branch of how to discern 'Good/Evil' terms.
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NQT isn't a regular player like anyone else, though. They were explicitly mentioned in the first post of a thread. That makes them abnormal. At this point you should be thinking: what is the reason for this abnormality? Why would webadict put an unusual public role into his game? Why is he being just vague enough that NQT isn't actually confirmed?Yep!
..Abnormal? O_o
Funny words.
However I think we're thinking on the same thought line here, just with different perspectives.
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Ok, I see what you mean. I think the fact that they're presenting themselves as characters in the game supports the notion that they could be involved in the meteor summoning.Yesss someone gets me. I'm not a total failure in English woo~!!
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Incidentally my mis-post was actually weirdly appropriate to the thread I ended up in, you could kindof imagine that I might get drunk and launch into an unprovoked rant about flavour text in the ArchiveIt should be in Mafia Theory, it actually belongs there, too! :P
...I..I'm somewhat tempted to even push this to find out of 'too many questions =...modkill(?!) or silence for a..day or so?' but it doesn't seem like it'll lead somewhere.Everyone: Do you think we should play this...literally? All responses made from Web are...literal. As in-context wise.I don't understand what you're playing. Am I supposed to be figurative? Is Dr. Nerjin even keeping the class in check? I will give you detention.
Do you think flavor plays a greater role here?
IC?
"Yes intangible voice of Mr. Badict sir. Sorry."
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Seriously Tiruin? Do you even pay attention in class?...Spoiler: Rawrrawr teacher rant D:< (click to show/hide)
Meteors aren't shadows, are they? O_o (this is a hypothetical addressed to everyone BUT WEBADICT OR NERJIN...it's nice to see that they're..also under the address of everyone. My neurons are confused. Blargh)
I'd speculate at geology but...
..
Yeah, too many speculations.
But it wasn't also said on whether this meteor causes the disruption of classes.
Though in foresight, how does Teacher Badict play a role here?!
Yeeeaaah.
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Too many speculations. Too early.
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 11:11:22 pm
My comment was addressed at the ongoing Good//Not Evil//Evil semantics argument up there.
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 11:13:59 pm
...You did post in the right thread, right Leafsnail? O_oAaaand it's fixed. Thank you Meph!
I...the post above is pointed at your post..in the other thread.
There goes my playstyle of 'brevity'. Blegh. Returning to original playstyle...which is what I've been doing all along
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 11:14:46 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 25, 2014, 11:16:34 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 11:18:58 pm
I've realized something: Why do any of the players have to be meteor summoners at all? Our entire goal could be stopping the meteor. Even Evil people want a world to live in (unless they are just suicidal).What purpose is the meteor, is the question. Given how it was called out-it can be assumed its for nefarious purposes.
Though, the teacher is kind enough to not say 'EVIL STUDENTS DID X/Y/Z'.
...I think he just proposed a count of geologist-course types and..said that. Why he'd say that?
..
Really, look back. Why? Now that I see it that way-it doesn't make sense.
He's held up because various circumstances. Then the class went kill crazy. >_>
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 11:23:27 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 11:30:55 pm
Makeinu: that's what I thought you were addressing it to, I just had to be sure you weren't t implying that it meant there was only mafia and town. A question for you: do you think that the alignments have any relevance or can be interacted with? Or do you think that the whole thing is intended to lead us off course from the actual game?
I'm not convinced that the alignments correspond at all necessarily to any factions at all. In fact, I'll wager that they don't, given that the only thing we're told is that if we're not told we're Evil, we're not Evil.
Note, we're not told that we are anything else, just that we are or are not Evil. Not Good, not even NQT is Good except in the flavor text. Not Neutral, not Lawful, not Chaotic, not Purple, not Dragon, not Orc. Just Evil. And if not told Evil, then not Evil.
Should we also read a bunch into the whole conversation part where killing the meteor summoners is suggested and rejected? I will say that I know for sure there are votes, which means that we are clearly meant to identify and eliminate some group of people, and I can't see that as being ant group but the meteor summoners. My guess is we're supposed to catch them and make them reverse the rock summoning. And my guess is that Evil is the identifying characteristic.
As for third-party stuff, win conditions, whatever, that's on each individual player obviously. Unless we've a psychopath that has to eat all our livers or some such.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 11:34:00 pm
I'm aware all this is probably confusing to newer players, I'll write a clear and simple explanation of my theory after I've slept.I'm not confused so much as skeptical that what you said is the correct solution to the puzzle. You rely heavily on "why wouldn't he have said it outright" logic, at least in your current explanations. That question can easily be answered: because he isn't going to lead us to the solution. He will place false leads.
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 11:34:52 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 11:35:42 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 11:38:00 pm
We're delving too deep before we know where to start.
Meaning: Assuming too much, perhaps?
On the matter: So I found myself philosophizing on meteors. These also have astral connotations (ie related to mages in tales old, also, astronomy.) They have a symbolic meaning: like..
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Like that one comet in Avatar: The Legend of Aang. (yeah I lost modern references for people to relate with) x3
Or. How astronomers (not astrologers) put symbolical notion to what they viewed the skies and the stars as. Symbolisms, in short, would play a role later on.
I wonder if ability changes are expected
-snip-
Thinking too much and I'll just leave this out before I go away. >_>
As for now:
Extend.
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7 To Hammer. Day Ends Tuesday 9 PM Central.Yeah. I proposed for extension. :I
We're all speculating too much now.
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 11:38:24 pm
Preview is your friend.
:p
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2014, 11:39:15 pm
I'm not confused so much as skeptical that what you said is the correct solution to the puzzle. You rely heavily on "why wouldn't he have said it outright" logic, at least in your current explanations. That question can easily be answered: because he isn't going to lead us to the solution. He will place false leads.So you're claiming that webadict deliberately planted this as a false lead? If you are then I want to see some supporting argumentation as to why he'd do that.
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 11:40:54 pm
Go read the Plot-Conveyance Mandatory Reading, slackers!
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 11:41:29 pm
Erm... This is bastard mod, the last time I checked. What's your evidence that everything he is ambiguous on means he's hiding something important.I'm not confused so much as skeptical that what you said is the correct solution to the puzzle. You rely heavily on "why wouldn't he have said it outright" logic, at least in your current explanations. That question can easily be answered: because he isn't going to lead us to the solution. He will place false leads.So you're claiming that webadict deliberately planted this as a false lead? If you are then I want to see some supporting argumentation as to why he'd do that.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 25, 2014, 11:42:29 pm
I'm probably finished for the night, so I won't be posting much more.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 25, 2014, 11:44:01 pm
Meteor crashing into planet == everyone dead == bad. Therefore, Evil.Don't wanna. Reading takes time. Time better spent burning school materials.
Go read the Plot-Conveyance Mandatory Reading, slackers!
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 11:55:12 pm
webadict: what proportion of people in this world are evil, would you say?Well, speaking from a historic perspective, I'd have to say around 23%.
webadict: How would one go about stopping a meteor, once it has been summoned?Summon an angel? They typically deal with the heavens. I would suggest a space angel.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 26, 2014, 12:01:56 am
What I can see:
1. Way too much arguments over good/not-evil/evil/mafia/not-mafia/town/third party/people who want to eat our livers.
2. Leafsnail trying to openly murder a confirmed townie.
3. Webadict being totally useless, actually, counter productive in terms of explaining the game.
Those are the biggest things I see going on right now, so I'm voting Leafsnail for openly attempting to murder a confirmed townie/not-evil/good/person who doesn't want to eat my liver.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 12:04:48 am
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Ok, being serious now. I believe my behavior is more due on lack of sleep or not. Argh.
Hm.
Webadict: What is our school curriculum?
Those are the biggest things I see going on right now, so I'm voting Leafsnail for openly attempting to murder a confirmed townie/not-evil/good/person who doesn't want to eat my liver....You vote him instead of question him instead? You didn't leave him a question to answer.
And no, that's how mods usually are...we are left to answer the puzzle-we're just seeing what can or cannot be a logical path of questioning.
Like those questions. Redirected to fluff. Because they're nice and fluffy, but they won't win the war. (Unless you asphyxiate the enemy with fluff. Which I'd love to oneday see.)
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1. Way too much arguments over good/not-evil/evil/mafia/not-mafia/town/third party/people who want to eat our livers.It's actually wondering around a base point.
Wherein most other players are not participating in. :I Or timezones. I bet its also timezones.
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2014, 12:18:48 am
Webadict: What is our school curriculum?If I had to guess what yours is, I'd guess Amnesia, How to Skip School, and 101 Ways to Not Pay Attention.
Post by: makeinu on January 26, 2014, 12:21:45 am
Post by: mastahcheese on January 26, 2014, 12:21:45 am
Leafsnail:
Why is it that you think we should kill NQT, when they are confirmed not-evil? Why would this be your first plan, rather than waiting for a day or so to see how things fold out?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 12:24:30 am
Lolwut? Can I take those classes. Also, why are we being talked to by a disembodied voice.Webadict: What is our school curriculum?If I had to guess what yours is, I'd guess Amnesia, How to Skip School, and 101 Ways to Not Pay Attention.
Post by: Nerjin on January 26, 2014, 12:25:43 am
Lolwut? Can I take those classes. Also, why are we being talked to by a disembodied voice.Webadict: What is our school curriculum?If I had to guess what yours is, I'd guess Amnesia, How to Skip School, and 101 Ways to Not Pay Attention.
Tis a magical device known as... A CELLULAR PHONE!
Post by: makeinu on January 26, 2014, 12:26:31 am
Lolwut? Can I take those classes. Also, why are we being talked to by a disembodied voice.Webadict: What is our school curriculum?If I had to guess what yours is, I'd guess Amnesia, How to Skip School, and 101 Ways to Not Pay Attention.
Tis a magical device known as... A CELLULAR PHONE!
Demon magic! Burn the witch!
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 12:30:10 am
Erm... I don't remember one of those being mentioned.Lolwut? Can I take those classes. Also, why are we being talked to by a disembodied voice.Webadict: What is our school curriculum?If I had to guess what yours is, I'd guess Amnesia, How to Skip School, and 101 Ways to Not Pay Attention.
Tis a magical device known as... A CELLULAR PHONE!
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2014, 12:31:16 am
You've never heard of a cellphone? Don't most kids have them these days?Erm... I don't remember one of those being mentioned.Lolwut? Can I take those classes. Also, why are we being talked to by a disembodied voice.Webadict: What is our school curriculum?If I had to guess what yours is, I'd guess Amnesia, How to Skip School, and 101 Ways to Not Pay Attention.
Tis a magical device known as... A CELLULAR PHONE!
Post by: makeinu on January 26, 2014, 12:33:52 am
You've never heard of a cellphone? Don't most kids have them these days?Erm... I don't remember one of those being mentioned.Lolwut? Can I take those classes. Also, why are we being talked to by a disembodied voice.Webadict: What is our school curriculum?If I had to guess what yours is, I'd guess Amnesia, How to Skip School, and 101 Ways to Not Pay Attention.
Tis a magical device known as... A CELLULAR PHONE!
No texting in the classroom!!!
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 12:35:20 am
Erm... You're not the teacher.You've never heard of a cellphone? Don't most kids have them these days?Erm... I don't remember one of those being mentioned.Lolwut? Can I take those classes. Also, why are we being talked to by a disembodied voice.Webadict: What is our school curriculum?If I had to guess what yours is, I'd guess Amnesia, How to Skip School, and 101 Ways to Not Pay Attention.
Tis a magical device known as... A CELLULAR PHONE!
No texting in the classroom!!!
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2014, 12:35:35 am
What did I say about sucking up?You've never heard of a cellphone? Don't most kids have them these days?Erm... I don't remember one of those being mentioned.Lolwut? Can I take those classes. Also, why are we being talked to by a disembodied voice.Webadict: What is our school curriculum?If I had to guess what yours is, I'd guess Amnesia, How to Skip School, and 101 Ways to Not Pay Attention.
Tis a magical device known as... A CELLULAR PHONE!
No texting in the classroom!!!
Post by: mastahcheese on January 26, 2014, 12:36:50 am
Next time I vote everyone.
Clearly, everyone is evil here.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 12:38:16 am
In other words, I also text in the classroom and the teacher is ok, because i listen to the class. :>
In other words: makeinu/4mask: Could I query you two on what details-on the players-you've got so far? I was too busy checking and rechecking notes and typing up speculation (off-forum, MS Word). What do you guys have?
Post by: makeinu on January 26, 2014, 12:39:35 am
You know, not everything is about you. Other people have feelings too. :PWhat did I say about sucking up?You've never heard of a cellphone? Don't most kids have them these days?Erm... I don't remember one of those being mentioned.Lolwut? Can I take those classes. Also, why are we being talked to by a disembodied voice.Webadict: What is our school curriculum?If I had to guess what yours is, I'd guess Amnesia, How to Skip School, and 101 Ways to Not Pay Attention.
Tis a magical device known as... A CELLULAR PHONE!
No texting in the classroom!!!
Ok cut down the noise to silliness ratio. If being silly, add serious mafia-pertainance to it.
In other words, I also text in the classroom and the teacher is ok, because i listen to the class. :>
In other words: makeinu/4mask: Could I query you two on what details-on the players-you've got so far? I was too busy checking and rechecking notes and typing up speculation (off-forum, MS Word). What do you guys have?
A broken heart, and a bag full of loneliness. Won't someone fill the void?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 12:40:53 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 26, 2014, 06:09:22 am
For now, Leafsnail, your theory is completely substanceless: you think you have a reason to believe that I'm not a confirmed non-meteor-summoner, but that doesn't in any way prove that I am a meteor summoner.
Killing everyone with a meteorite is evil. I am confirmed good and not evil.
Further, getting town to vote out the only confirmed good player is a reasonable scum strategy.
Post by: notquitethere on January 26, 2014, 06:18:32 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 07:49:03 am
webadict: what proportion of people in this world are evil, would you say?Well, speaking from a historic perspective, I'd have to say around 23%.webadict: How would one go about stopping a meteor, once it has been summoned?Summon an angel? They typically deal with the heavens. I would suggest a space angel.
In regards to this:
1. If you multiply 0.23 (the fraction of evil people) and 13 (the playercount), you get just about 3 (the difference is from rounding). That means there are likely three evil people.
2. Mr. Badict: How would one go about summoning an angel? I don't take summoning III until next year, so I haven't learned how yet.
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2014, 09:06:37 am
Mr. Badict: How would one go about summoning an angel? I don't take summoning III until next year, so I haven't learned how yet.Of course you don't. You'd have to be brainless to summon an angel.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 09:08:25 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 09:15:48 am
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2014, 09:26:13 am
Also, why must we be brainless to summon an angel?Because angels usually devour planets.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 09:27:32 am
Ok, I'd be voting you guys for asking such questions but..hm, maybe you need to be taught one tiiny thing (cause I get those newbie feels rather than 'annoy' feels, which is pretty mean to assume, really :X)
> When you see mods saying details that seem like fluff, do not continue the questionline. It speaks of going to dead ends--this is what I mean on my questions to Web, prior. Drop that line of questioning and add something substantial to your posts given how, looking to what its linked with, it has little substance in relation to the game.
I'd ask why you're asking such questions, TDS/4mask, because I wonder what you guys think given being new to bastard games.
> While talking about Angelic beings (is quite awesome), it doesn't seem to be drawing any kind of related data just like asking someone in a regular mafia game 'what's your favorite color and flavor of ice cream'. Hence why I ask you guys to please put pertinent questions along with what you're currently asking.
It clutters the thread. Really. Unlike other games, Mafia-game thread pages are all treated as evidence and scraps to look over.
..As in, really. Please stop clutter, take some time off to condense your ideas and then post. The world won't end if you don't post in a day or so (timelimits are shown and I know that feeling more than anybody due to timezones. Believe me)
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 09:30:20 am
And EBWOP because post =/= preview button, hand!
And on those questions, I am not saying stop asking them, I'm wondering where you're getting at.
..
But personally?
I totally didn't see this mathematical note.webadict: what proportion of people in this world are evil, would you say?Well, speaking from a historic perspective, I'd have to say around 23%.webadict: How would one go about stopping a meteor, once it has been summoned?Summon an angel? They typically deal with the heavens. I would suggest a space angel.
In regards to this:
1. If you multiply 0.23 (the fraction of evil people) and 13 (the playercount), you get just about 3 (the difference is from rounding). That means there are likely three evil people.
Thought being, that it does point to a #3 of people, and given the # of people required of summoning a meteor, it may be plausible to assume-but not conclude tat this is related.
As for why someone needs to summon a meteor..did Web state that it was already summoned or just like 'hey guys, we need 'x' to do 'y''. As in, note ahead of time.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 09:41:14 am
As for why someone needs to summon a meteor..did Web state that it was already summoned or just like 'hey guys, we need 'x' to do 'y''. As in, note ahead of time.
The first post states directly that the meteor has been summoned.
Also, what kind of questions should I ask? Should I stick to scumhunting?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 09:44:18 am
Tiruin: why don't you vote us, then, if only to get your point across. Others have done pressure votes, including yourself.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 09:49:35 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 09:50:16 am
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I get the impression Tiruin wants us to scumhunt and leave the puzzle to the "big people".What? Heck no. I'm saying that your posts, checking it all in the lurkertracker, somehow contain more questions without asking others: meaning you're more involved in puzzlefinding.
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I detect that pessimism thing. Please don't take it that way. I am not denouncing you or anyone else..
Yeah I'm blind :XAs for why someone needs to summon a meteor..did Web state that it was already summoned or just like 'hey guys, we need 'x' to do 'y''. As in, note ahead of time.
The first post states directly that the meteor has been summoned.
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Same kind of note to 4mask goes to you, but no-I'm not stopping anyone or..telling anyone to do so. I'm just saying that, (or..I think its just me?) the thread's posts are many, and while you're free on asking the queries--I feel like its too much to focus on the questions at hand (given that I also see lacking questions to others; I've done so myself, but at least know the general gist of the game from my questions to Web) in talking about the game rather than its people.
Also, what kind of questions should I ask? Should I stick to scumhunting?
We've established that there's something behind the core matter now: Repetition of 3s. Then we talked about the terminology and its uses, which seems clarified to most.
So..yeah. I'm not saying you're doing something wrong (or inhibiting you guys in whichever), but I'm just saying...that maybe you could condense your posts..more?
Or maybe its just my OC showing again. :X
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 09:53:30 am
I believe you don't know my philosophy of Mafia. I withhold my vote and leave others to figure out my suspicions-as well as taking notes on how a person would act when voted or not. :)No, I know it was pointless. My questions were absolutely idiotic. They were more out of frustration at not knowing anything and not having questions to ask.QuoteI get the impression Tiruin wants us to scumhunt and leave the puzzle to the "big people".What? Heck no. I'm saying that your posts, checking it all in the lurkertracker, somehow contain more questions without asking others: meaning you're more involved in puzzlefinding.
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I detect that pessimism thing. Please don't take it that way. I am not denouncing you or anyone else..Yeah I'm blind :XAs for why someone needs to summon a meteor..did Web state that it was already summoned or just like 'hey guys, we need 'x' to do 'y''. As in, note ahead of time.
The first post states directly that the meteor has been summoned.QuoteSame kind of note to 4mask goes to you, but no-I'm not stopping anyone or..telling anyone to do so. I'm just saying that, (or..I think its just me?) the thread's posts are many, and while you're free on asking the queries--I feel like its too much to focus on the questions at hand (given that I also see lacking questions to others; I've done so myself, but at least know the general gist of the game from my questions to Web) in talking about the game rather than its people.
Also, what kind of questions should I ask? Should I stick to scumhunting?
We've established that there's something behind the core matter now: Repetition of 3s. Then we talked about the terminology and its uses, which seems clarified to most.
So..yeah. I'm not saying you're doing something wrong (or inhibiting you guys in whichever), but I'm just saying...that maybe you could condense your posts..more?
Or maybe its just my OC showing again. :X
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 09:56:13 am
Makeinu: you never answered Tiruin's question as it was intended. You have some off-topic RP answer, but never touched the actual question. Why are you reluctant to share your suspicions?
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 09:58:20 am
Oh no, are you taking this personally? D: Noo I didn't mean it personally! I mean, yes some questions are seemingly out of league or out of context but its also the answer that matters--I look back at The Lonely Prince and see that even out-of-the-way questions get answers that are totally relevant to the puzzle, given hindsight at a future time!
Please no pessimism :S
PPE: Ah.
Ok.
So I'm reading up for future note-but I'll be posting a long time later on because I've got other forum work to catch up to.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 10:03:56 am
NooooooErm... I'm not taking it personally. I'm admitting that the questions I asked were stupid, because they were meant to be that way. That statement has nothing to do with anything you said.
Oh no, are you taking this personally? D: Noo I didn't mean it personally! I mean, yes some questions are seemingly out of league or out of context but its also the answer that matters--I look back at The Lonely Prince and see that even out-of-the-way questions get answers that are totally relevant to the puzzle, given hindsight at a future time!
Please no pessimism :S
PPE: Ah.
Ok.
So I'm reading up for future note-but I'll be posting a long time later on because I've got other forum work to catch up to.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 10:19:23 am
TDS: how much information do you think the mod is actually hiding from us?
This being what it is, just about everything.
Post by: makeinu on January 26, 2014, 10:22:55 am
Back to the game:
Makeinu: you never answered Tiruin's question as it was intended. You have some off-topic RP answer, but never touched the actual question. Why are you reluctant to share your suspicions?
Blargh. Link or no answer. What question, in particular? I can't be arsed to remember my homework now, I already turned in the assignment! And I never touch questions. You never know where those things have been.
As for sharing, I have had nothing to share. Except ice cream, and I don't share ice cream. I suspect there's too much blathering about the mechanics under the auspices of "it's a bastard mod game question all your modalities, pants are optional as head gear!"
Which is just silly.
Historically speaking, 23% of people are Evil. I can think of nothing more Evil than summoning a meteorite to kill us all just because you can't get a Promcoming Dance date. Or have acne scars that everyone else notices. Or got defriended on MyFace, or YouBook, or FaceSpace, or whatever you social butterflies are all into this season. Or whatever reason it is that said meteor was summoned. Though I have to point out that if it were an actual meteor, we'd already be dead now. It's not in the atmosphere, therefore, it's still just a giant, relative to us, not the planet, if it were giant relative to the planet we'd be the space rock, space rock.
That, I learned in Science class. And you all called me silly for taking Science. Well who's laughing now? NO ONE! Because we're all going to DIE!! Unless we find the three Evil slackers and force them to amend their ways and reverse their summoning.
I think the asteroid will thank us as well. I'm reasonably certain it doesn't wish to meet a fiery end either. That's just a terrible story for school reunions.
"So, what did you do after high school, Rocky?"
"Oh, you know, little of this, little of that. I smashed a planet once, killed everyone."
"Wow! That's ... kinda horrible actually..."
"Yeah, lots of screaming, everyone cursing my name. I feel really terrible about it now..."
Seriously. Just go toot your concerns on Peeper, or whatever, and get over it. No one will remember you in twenty years unless you're rich then, in which case everyone will have been your bestest friend ever can I come over to your place gosh that's a nice car say can you help me get a job?
Leafsnail: why do you want to kill the only one we've got confirmation of being totally GoodTM?
That doesn't seem very nice. I will not tip my hat to you.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 10:28:42 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 10:33:51 am
You're all voting Leafsnaill..why? I mean, sure-judge by the generality of his posts.
What in his posts mark him out, as-is?
Also for one point before I really thought makeinu was in college and we'd be age-buddies. Or he really is, but sounds real mature when he speaks. <3
..This is the sugar speaking. Note to self: Stop indulging sweettooth.
Post by: makeinu on January 26, 2014, 10:41:23 am
In case you can't read, notquitethere is your Class President, and who would ever elect a corrupt politician? so, she's totally Good.
Aaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil. Have fun. Ask away, foolish fools. I'm sure I forgot to explain something.
notquitethere is Confirmed Not Evil.
we "know" some things. Some things are deducible.
Good == Not Evil.
Evil == something uncommon, special, note-worthy.
Note-worthy is being of smaller numbers. Smaller numbers confirmed by historical data.
Killing everyone, which a meteor impact will do, just ask the dinosaurs, oh wait you CAN'T, because they're all DEAD from meteor poisoning!!, is bad. Evil, even.
Therefore, trying to blame the only person who's golden light of goodness shines confirmed among us is either Evil, or just very, very silly, in a totally not Good way.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 11:03:34 am
..I forget if I did. blargh.
Leafsnail: Why are you voting N-
*checks back*
wait, I did (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952549#msg4952549), but failed to address it in full.
Why are you voting NQT? The vote-post explains to an audience, but leaves little for NQT to answer.
Anyway, why I'm not asking the gist of the same questions you guys seem to be is (woo, let's assume. Nice one Tiruin >_>) because Leafsnail did his own questioning, too.
Listing all his posts, start at [4]:
4, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4948844#msg4948844) I was wrong about the brevity-but then, I was posting to recent posts.
5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4950531#msg4950531)-7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4950547#msg4950547)/8 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4950858#msg4950858)
*9 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4950980#msg4950980)
10(?) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952361#msg4952361), 11 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952377#msg4952377)-13 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952518#msg4952518), !14! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952549#msg4952549)-16 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952576#msg4952576), 17 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952624#msg4952624), 18 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952663#msg4952663), 19 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952683#msg4952683), 20 (lost post at the time) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952710#msg4952710), 21 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952754#msg4952754), 22 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952769#msg4952769), 23 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952797#msg4952797), 24 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952803#msg4952803), 25 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952823#msg4952823), **26** (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952879#msg4952879), 27 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952922#msg4952922).
So, yeah. I did take the note of him promising clear and concise--..you guys don't seem to be the patient kind, or saw something else than what I saw? I also note that there don't seem to be hidden malice within his questionings, despite Leafsnail always having that vibe of in-between-the-lines-speak to me.
Symbols for indicative measure. ! = vote. * = important (for me)
Ok, seriously, now I'm going off. Must be coherent next time.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 11:06:53 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 11:08:57 am
Also I quite see a notquitethere on the voting list. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4946894#msg4946894)
But I didn't in the first place, explaining all dem questions to Webby.
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I believe notquitethere has a charm of invisibility to be so mundane you can't see it at first glance. Or, is uncapitalized.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 11:10:17 am
...He's sleeping. :vOH, there it is. That's clever.
Also I quite see a notquitethere on the voting list. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4946894#msg4946894)
But I didn't in the first place, explaining all dem questions to Webby.
..
I believe notquitethere has a charm of invisibility to be so mundane you can't see it at first glance. Or, is uncapitalized.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 11:15:13 am
I'm not sure if that was the intent, but it was clever regardless.
Post by: Silthuri on January 26, 2014, 11:29:31 am
Cado:
MOWE: Hm… I was hoping for something more creative in the answer department, but okay. Whats your take on the situation with the items in this game?Well judging by the fact that some people appear to have them and others don't, I think they might be roles. They come with powers, right? So there are no definite roles for people. You have(?) to give up your role to someone you think would use it against the forces of Evil, so it requires extra thought because you could be helping Evil of you're wrong...
More shall come tonight after I get home from a nice, long, relaxing day with my boyfriend.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 26, 2014, 01:46:28 pm
Firstly: What exactly is a bastard mod? I'm sure a lot of you aren't familiar with it. At its core, a bastard mod is a puzzle. That often means that the scum has very unusual or nonstandard abilities, and to catch them you must work out what those abilities are. In other words, the players must have the wrong idea about the setup until they solve the puzzle.
For example, in Bellsounder the scum was capable of endlessly reviving both themselves and everyone else. The town had to realize this in order to win, because lynching the scum wouldn't be enough.
Or see the original Kill Webadict Now, in which the identity of webadict changed on death. The town got lucky and won by a chance redirect, but if they hadn't then they'd need to work out the puzzle to win.
Or look at M E I N K A M P F, where one of the true mafia members was a member of three seperate apparently mafia teams. The "town" (who all thought they were mafia) had to realize and lynch one of their apparent teammates to win.
What's my point? My point is that in a bastard game you should always be looking for ways that the moderator can create a strange, unique kind of mafia threat. My point is that if someone has a suspiciously powerful position in a bastard mod (such as being part of three different mafia groups, or having the ability to revive everyone endlessly while having the rolename "Endless Witch", or being "confirmed" as town at the start of the game) then you should strongly, strongly suspect them.
In this game webadict has promised not to lie. So, in order to create that unique kind of threat, he must selectively withhold information. Then we will lie to ourselves through our own assumptions and biases, and thus render the game unwinnable unless we solve the riddle. Assumptions and biases like "Not evil = town" or "meteor strikers = evil".
Enter "confirmed townie" NQT. webadict is clearly trying to make us assume that he is town, but not actually directly stating it - in fact, if one discards the "evil = scum" assumption (an assumption that doesn't even hold in some regular mafia games), there's no reason to think that he is town at all. Why did he do this? The simplest explanation: he is a mafia member. This is the bastard twist of the game.
Now, if you disagree, I would like you to provide an alternate reason why webadict would want to strongly hint that a player is town without actually saying so. A vague answer suggesting that webadict is pulling some kind of bizarre double bluff with no hints to it isn't acceptable. When you make a puzzle, all the elements you put in that puzzle are there for a reason.
I will make more specific responses in my next post.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 02:02:34 pm
In addition, making the logical assumption that Wuba is playing the red herring game, it makes it even more unlikely that ALL of your hypotheses are correct. Your main hypothesis appears to be "The mod is lying on everything vague", and if that is not true, parts of your conclusion begin to fall apart. While I am not as well-read in mafia as you are, I would assume it is not an uncommon practice for the bastard mods to plant red herrings to distract the players.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 26, 2014, 02:07:06 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 02:09:17 pm
In all likelyhood, the mod is preying on our assumptions of a bastard mod, because many of the players know to look for things like that. He said that he would only withhold information, but that does not mean that he will withhold ALL information.
Oh, and H.Walnuts: That would be an interesting twist, and something that I asked leafsnail to consider earlier, in a slightly different format, whereupon he told me that I was confirmed evil due to asking that.
Post by: notquitethere on January 26, 2014, 02:57:29 pm
Leafsnail is acting deceitfully and everyone should be voting him. Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952549#msg4952549) he makes up a theory that Wuba and Nerjin and myself could be the meteor summoners, when we know that it was three other students that summoned the meteorite:
“Well three students summoned the meteor that is gonna destr-“ Notquitethere started but was cut off when her desk sprouted a hole thanks to Dr. Nerjin’s shooting of it.
“I’m well aware.”
Even if we then think Dr Nerjin and Wuba are scum, then why isn't he encouraging us to vote for one of them instead of the one confirmed town player?
Further, and this is the really damning thing, Leafsnail seems to be under the misapprehension that Not Evil players will have been told that they were Not Evil in their role PMs:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
When in fact, Wuba explicitly said that you'd only be told your alignment if you were Evil:
Aaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil.
If the meteorite wasn't summoned by evil doers, would the Evil players that haven't summoned a meteorite please speak up?
do you think genders play a good difference?I voted you before because you weren't paying attention. I'm now voting Leafsnail as he's paying even less attention and making more noise about it
Also: I take it that your vote towards me...is because I called you male, right?
*sits at back of class, pouts, says yes ma'am in a sad tone* (...Are you telepathic?! I always am at the front in any class I'm in <_<)And yes, I'm telepathic: that's why I'm so good at this game.
you tell me my 'essential' playstyle sucks? I'll take it on! Because that really hurt me that you weren't open to discussion about how to improve each others' playstyles.Keep in mind that in Glyph's last game I was playing a bad guy and I was absolutely right that, at the time, your focus on Darkstar was completely wrongfooted. I don't think you're so bad: I think most people in these parts are lousy at hunting scum.
What do you think I was trying to say Tiruin? Could it possibly be what I actually said? That scum are rarely lynched on Day 1. It is Day 1 and so of course I am worried about scum not being lynched.Scum are rarely lynched Day 1: anything you think we could do to maximise that chance?Pullin' out of context: Does the first statement have any relation to the lynch?
NQT: What class does Mr. Web teach?I don't know why you expect me to have privileged knowledge. But Wuba said he taught History, didn't he?
Addendum; NQT: In your seemingly infallible Not Evil notion, on that single prod to us four-I believe you wish for us to see something you are, right?I just want you guys to stop posting dross and make sure you're talking to everyone in the game.
What did you see in the other nine that we fail to address?
Ranger, explain your unnerving hunch (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949676#msg4949676).
Walnuts, editing your posts (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949820#msg4949820) is against the rules: see the OP.
Watch as the only town is the guy who's been confirmed town.Are you saying that your role PM says your not town?
Wolf
NQT: as the only one currently confirmed now meteor summoner, what are your reads on the other active players?Leafsnail is the most scummy for the reasons outlined above. I'll form my fuller reads on everyone closer to the end of Day 1, on Tuesday.
Do you think Cheese is living up to his reputation for good scum hunting?
Darkstar
One more thing: How much do you think NQT can influence the vote? It's likely that his vote counts more than ours.Likely? Where are you getting these probabilities from? I can assure you that this isn't the case.
Leafsnail
Now, if you disagree, I would like you to provide an alternate reason why webadict would want to strongly hint that a player is town without actually saying so. A vague answer suggesting that webadict is pulling some kind of bizarre double bluff with no hints to it isn't acceptable. When you make a puzzle, all the elements you put in that puzzle are there for a reason.Simple answer: everyone has abilities on this game and my ability is that I'm confirmed town, possibly to balance out an otherwise scum-sided or third-party-saturated game.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 03:13:36 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 03:23:01 pm
ATTENTION CLASS
Leafsnail is acting deceitfully and everyone should be voting him. Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952549#msg4952549) he makes up a theory that Wuba and Nerjin and myself could be the meteor summoners, when we know that it was three other students that summoned the meteorite:“Well three students summoned the meteor that is gonna destr-“ Notquitethere started but was cut off when her desk sprouted a hole thanks to Dr. Nerjin’s shooting of it.
“I’m well aware.”
Even if we then think Dr Nerjin and Wuba are scum, then why isn't he encouraging us to vote for one of them instead of the one confirmed town player?
Further, and this is the really damning thing, Leafsnail seems to be under the misapprehension that Not Evil players will have been told that they were Not Evil in their role PMs:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
When in fact, Wuba explicitly said that you'd only be told your alignment if you were Evil:Aaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil.
If the meteorite wasn't summoned by evil doers, would the Evil players that haven't summoned a meteorite please speak up?do you think genders play a good difference?I voted you before because you weren't paying attention. I'm now voting Leafsnail as he's paying even less attention and making more noise about it
Also: I take it that your vote towards me...is because I called you male, right?*sits at back of class, pouts, says yes ma'am in a sad tone* (...Are you telepathic?! I always am at the front in any class I'm in <_<)And yes, I'm telepathic: that's why I'm so good at this game.you tell me my 'essential' playstyle sucks? I'll take it on! Because that really hurt me that you weren't open to discussion about how to improve each others' playstyles.Keep in mind that in Glyph's last game I was playing a bad guy and I was absolutely right that, at the time, your focus on Darkstar was completely wrongfooted. I don't think you're so bad: I think most people in these parts are lousy at hunting scum.What do you think I was trying to say Tiruin? Could it possibly be what I actually said? That scum are rarely lynched on Day 1. It is Day 1 and so of course I am worried about scum not being lynched.Scum are rarely lynched Day 1: anything you think we could do to maximise that chance?Pullin' out of context: Does the first statement have any relation to the lynch?NQT: What class does Mr. Web teach?I don't know why you expect me to have privileged knowledge. But Wuba said he taught History, didn't he?Addendum; NQT: In your seemingly infallible Not Evil notion, on that single prod to us four-I believe you wish for us to see something you are, right?I just want you guys to stop posting dross and make sure you're talking to everyone in the game.
What did you see in the other nine that we fail to address?
Ranger, explain your unnerving hunch (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949676#msg4949676).
Walnuts, editing your posts (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949820#msg4949820) is against the rules: see the OP.Watch as the only town is the guy who's been confirmed town.Are you saying that your role PM says your not town?
WolfNQT: as the only one currently confirmed now meteor summoner, what are your reads on the other active players?Leafsnail is the most scummy for the reasons outlined above. I'll form my fuller reads on everyone closer to the end of Day 1, on Tuesday.
Do you think Cheese is living up to his reputation for good scum hunting?
DarkstarOne more thing: How much do you think NQT can influence the vote? It's likely that his vote counts more than ours.Likely? Where are you getting these probabilities from? I can assure you that this isn't the case.
LeafsnailNow, if you disagree, I would like you to provide an alternate reason why webadict would want to strongly hint that a player is town without actually saying so. A vague answer suggesting that webadict is pulling some kind of bizarre double bluff with no hints to it isn't acceptable. When you make a puzzle, all the elements you put in that puzzle are there for a reason.Simple answer: everyone has abilities on this game and my ability is that I'm confirmed town, possibly to balance out an otherwise scum-sided or third-party-saturated game.
A couple of clarifications, NQT:
1. Wuba did not say that we would get not evil PM's, he said that if we were evil he said so in the PM's to us. THAT is why I said what I did. You also seem to be pushing rather hard the idea that not evil means guaranteed town, and I'm not convinced yet. Time will tell whether my hunch is correct or not.
2. People are arriving at the probabilities through the idea that the game is a bastard mod game in which we don't know what the roles are or are capable of.
H.Walnuts: Sorry if this sounds sharp, but either attempt to play the game or let somebody else come in and wait to join the next BM. The problem is that you aren't using what we told you about how to play at all. While we all want new players to play with us, that is what the beginner mafia is for. I know I'm a bit of a hypocrit in saying all of this, but I've been doing my best, in my own noobish way, to scumhunt and puzzlesolve. You have asked one scumhuntesque question, after prompting from MastahCheese, and have mostly questioned what different parts of the game mean or interjected comments.
That being said, I was probably too harsh in saying that. I do want you to play mafia, just perhaps not this game: if you can't figure it out, join the next BM.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 26, 2014, 04:05:28 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 04:08:01 pm
4maskwolf:Everything I've done has resulted in a person insulting me, I'm trying to be careful and not cause even more insultation.We're not trying to insult you, we are trying to get all the players actively playing. I know it may seem like insults, but that is not our intent.
Post by: notquitethere on January 26, 2014, 04:08:28 pm
A couple of clarifications, NQT:Did you even read what I wrote? That's exactly what I just said:
1. Wuba did not say that we would get not evil PM's, he said that if we were evil he said so in the PM's to us. THAT is why I said what I did.
Wuba explicitly said that you'd only be told your alignment if you were Evil
Did your PM tell you anything about an alignment?
You also seem to be pushing rather hard the idea that not evil means guaranteed town, and I'm not convinced yet. Time will tell whether my hunch is correct or not.Everyone knows that I'm Not Evil, and I can assure you that my role PM also explicitly states that I'm town. The two are the same thing. Now, I understand that not everyone will have been told that they were town, but that's fine because Wuba said in the first game post that if they weren't told otherwise, they're Not Evil. (I'm a special case here because my role power is being confirmed-town.)
2. People are arriving at the probabilities through the idea that the game is a bastard mod game in which we don't know what the roles are or are capable of.OK. There are a lot mysteries. But the mysteries aren't going to go away if we let people just make stuff up. In my previous post I point to two concrete facts that Leafsnail has wilfully got wrong.
Also, you didn't reply to my question about Cheese, and could you please trim down your quotes, it's unwieldy having to scroll through a page of repeated text.
HissinhWalnuts please respond to the question I just asked you.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 26, 2014, 04:10:53 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 26, 2014, 04:13:55 pm
Watch as the only town is the guy who's been confirmed town.Are you saying that your role PM says you're not town?
So to repeat: does your role PM say that you are not town?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 26, 2014, 04:17:04 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on January 26, 2014, 05:17:22 pm
I left this post up for a long time so it may lack responses to more recent stuff.
Erm... This is bastard mod, the last time I checked. What's your evidence that everything he is ambiguous on means he's hiding something important.Because "using ambiguities to hide a twist" is pretty much the definition of any mystery/puzzle/bastard mod.
Ok, I know pretty much nothing of bastard games, so I'm going to put that bit aside for now as this seems to be overcomplicating things way too much for me right now.Read the twists behind Bellsounder and M E I N K A M P F. If the town played either of those games with the mindset you have right now then they couldn't have possibly won, and I believe you are dooming yourself to the same fate by ignoring the clear puzzle behind a bastard game.
Even if you don't agree with my conclusion that NQT is scum, you should be able to agree with my subconclusion that he isn't confirmed town.
Same applies for the original KWN, barring a piece of random luck.
Leafsnail:Because there's absolutely nothing in the OP, the game start flavour or webadict's answers to our questions to suggest that "not-evil" = "a person we don't want to lynch", but webadict is clearly trying to play on that natural assumption by calling NQT "not-evil". In fact, I will turn the question around: why do you think NQT is confirmed as not scum in spite of the fact that webadict has told us nothing of the sort?
Why is it that you think we should kill NQT, when they are confirmed not-evil? Why would this be your first plan, rather than waiting for a day or so to see how things fold out?
It's my first plan because I have now acquired a reputation for solving bastard games, so if the scum has a kill they will probably murder me night one to shut me up. Plus, the sooner I lay out my case the more time I have to argue for it.
For now, Leafsnail, your theory is completely substanceless: you think you have a reason to believe that I'm not a confirmed non-meteor-summoner, but that doesn't in any way prove that I am a meteor summoner.It strongly suggests you are scum if the moderator is obviously trying to trick us into thinking you're confirmed. The fact that you're the only person who seems to know their alignment is also highly questionable: even if you're Good, none of the rest of us know that we're good. That is, we could all be Neutral (we just want to stop the apocalypse) and you could be a Good Guy who wants to rid the world of all its sin and start anew.
I don't have direct proof, of course, but I think the puzzle behind the game strongly suggests that you are scum and the onus is on you to provide a real counterargument.
Killing everyone with a meteorite is evil. I am confirmed good and not evil.This contradicts your previous paragraph. Anyway, I still have my two answers to this: firstly, that meteor launching needn't be evil (perhaps this is like NGE or something where the world will be reborn anew afterwards - purging the wicked could be A Good Cause), and secondly that we don't know if we're actually supposed to be lynching the meteor summoners. Heck, in the game start post webadict suggested that would be a bad idea.
Further, getting town to vote out the only confirmed good player is a reasonable scum strategy.I love that this is your own reasoning for voting me after having accused me of making a weak argument. "What you're doing could be beneficial for mafia, maybe". That isn't an argument at all - you might as well claim anyone on a day one mislynch must be scum because getting a townie lynched on day one is a reasonable scum strategy.
In any case I question your definition of "reasonable scum strategy" if "attract tonnes of attention and votes to yourself on day one when you could just be engaging in meaningless chatter like everyone else" counts as one.
It's obvious you're just scared of the fact that I've exposed your secret this early, because you have no actual logical reason to vote for me at all. At the very least, the reasoning you have is a lot weaker than mine.
Are you an evil non-meteor-summoner Leafsnail?Yeah.
Leafsnail: why do you want to kill the only one we've got confirmation of being totally GoodTM?Because this is a bastard mod, and having a mafia member falsely confirmed as town seems like a very solid bastard mod trick. Also, do you even know if you are Good yourself? Your argument relies entirely on the premise that the mod wouldn't make the mafia Good. In a bastard game.
Leafsnail: am awaiting an explanation that does not have holes or involve a massive amount of speculation, where your only defense is "can you prove otherwise". I respect that you are an experienced player who has cracked games, but your explanation seems far-fetched. It smacks of a scum trying to cover his arse to me.Ah yes, the old "cover your arse by attracting tonnes of negative attention on day one" tactic. Seriously, what are you trying to accuse me of here?
Killing everyone, which a meteor impact will do, just ask the dinosaurs, oh wait you CAN'T, because they're all DEAD from meteor poisoning!!, is bad. Evil, even.Again, how do you know? I would refer to NGE as an example of a show in which a non-evil person summoned an apocalyptic meteor (incidentally the angel/meteor references make me think this game might have some relation to it). And again, what makes you think we have to lynch the meteor summoners, even though the game starting post said that was a bad idea?
Why are you voting NQT? The vote-post explains to an audience, but leaves little for NQT to answer.I explained several times. NQT has the accusation to answer, I don't just post fluff questions just for the hell of it.
The problem, Leafsnail, is that you are only looking at the first level of deception: the outright lies or misdirections. You aren't paying attention to the possible second level, where red herrings are planted to throw us off track. I doubt that bastard mods are meant to be puzzled out in the first day, and Wuba is good at what he does. I drew the conclusion you did upon first coming to understand what a bastard mod meant, but it is too simple. Anyone who assumed that the mod was lying on everything could come to the same conclusion you did.No-one did, though. Before I made my post not a single other player had questioned the notion that NQT was town (in fact most players were rushing to say that he was), so clearly it isn't a super-obvious red herring at all. I guess webadict could hide a pretty hard to get at red herring, but I don't think it's likely. Red herrings are a bad thing to put into a puzzle because they make the puzzle a crapshoot of guessing which of the legitimate leads you have were just planted for no reason.
Also I didn't say that mod was lying. My argument follows from the assumption that the mod is telling the truth but also trying to mislead us.
In all likelyhood, the mod is preying on our assumptions of a bastard mod, because many of the players know to look for things like that. He said that he would only withhold information, but that does not mean that he will withhold ALL information.This is just about possible, I guess. But it would be a very well hidden red herring (nobody else found it before I did) if it is one. Also, the best way to work out if it's a red herring or not is to lynch NQT.
Oh, and H.Walnuts: That would be an interesting twist, and something that I asked leafsnail to consider earlier, in a slightly different format, whereupon he told me that I was confirmed evil due to asking that."NQT is the only townie" is another possible interpretation, yeah. In that case we should lynch him because he's the minority.
That piece of speculation does imply you're evil though (particularly with the way HissinhWalnuts phrased it), because otherwise your role PM would contradict it ("Are all the players except NQT in the game scum? Oh wait a second I'm not, so that idea makes no sense"). I don't think being evil means you're scum in this game though, so go ahead and admit it.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 26, 2014, 05:24:28 pm
Even if we then think Dr Nerjin and Wuba are scum, then why isn't he encouraging us to vote for one of them instead of the one confirmed town player?You are not a confirmed town player - you are just confirmed to not have one particular (undefined) alignment. You agreed with that before. The fact that you're pushing your CONFIRMED TOWNIE status so hard now is suspicious, as is the fact that you're attacking me so hard for questioning it.
I'm not voting Nerjin or webadict because as I said I'm not as sure about them as I am about you, and also it seems far more likely that a player can be lynched than the moderators.
Simple answer: everyone has abilities on this game and my ability is that I'm confirmed town, possibly to balance out an otherwise scum-sided or third-party-saturated game.If that was the case then webadict could have said "NQT is confirmed to be town", or when asked "what does evil mean" he could have answered "oh evil people are the mafia team". If your power is that you're confirmed town it's a defective power that doesn't work at all. Why?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 05:36:03 pm
I have said many times that I am not convinced that he is confirmed town. That has been my line all along.Even if we then think Dr Nerjin and Wuba are scum, then why isn't he encouraging us to vote for one of them instead of the one confirmed town player?You are not a confirmed town player - you are just confirmed to not have one particular (undefined) alignment. You agreed with that before. The fact that you're pushing your CONFIRMED TOWNIE status so hard now is suspicious, as is the fact that you're attacking me so hard for questioning it.
I'm not voting Nerjin or webadict because as I said I'm not as sure about them as I am about you, and also it seems far more likely that a player can be lynched than the moderators.Simple answer: everyone has abilities on this game and my ability is that I'm confirmed town, possibly to balance out an otherwise scum-sided or third-party-saturated game.If that was the case then webadict could have said "NQT is confirmed to be town", or when asked "what does evil mean" he could have answered "oh evil people are the mafia team". If your power is that you're confirmed town it's a defective power that doesn't work at all. Why?
Also:
Tiruin, thank you for explaining the concept of the puzzle to me. I have a few theories on the "slightly bastard" aspect:I questioned it right here. This was before you posted.
1. I'm not convinced yet that NQT isn't third-party. The definition given was "not evil", which is slightly different from good. That being said, I don't think we need to worry about NQT right now, because s/he isn't one of the rock summoners.
2. I have a suspicion that there is a sort of sub-game regarding the items. The idea of rotating "roles" is interesting enough, but it was stated by Wuba that information would be withheld.
That's what I have right now, for what it's worth.
You claim that you figured all of this out before anyone else did, but that just isn't true. You were the first one to actively voice it, certainly. I had already come to the conclusion you had and dismissed it as too simple. I questioned NQT's "confirmed town" status because I believed something to be up, but given the fact that the mod had been ambiguous on damn near everything, I decided to hold back until I had more information. You, on the other hand, went ahead and posted what you suspected. You seem to be missing the "slightly-bastard" part of the description: this isn't full-on bastard mod, even though both of us and probably several others have been looking at it that way.
Post by: notquitethere on January 26, 2014, 05:39:38 pm
The opening post assumes we all know how to play mafia and are going to follow all usual conventions unless told otherwise. I was told I'm confirmed town and everyone else was told I'm Not Evil and now Wuba is being hyper-unhelpful and is getting his jollies from watching the ensuing terminology confusion play out.
The set up implies that we should be hunting down the meteorite summoners. But there's not much reason to suppose that this is really the case.
Is this even a game? What's the point? Can everyone answer these three questions:
- Are you evil?
- Do you have a wincon?
- Did you summon the meteorite?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 05:41:03 pm
2. no
3. no
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 26, 2014, 05:41:48 pm
2. Not apparently.
3. No, unless I have been bastered.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 05:50:22 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 06:02:21 pm
NQT
Does Anyone Actually Have A Wincon?I'd like to hear your answer to this, NQT.
The opening post assumes we all know how to play mafia and are going to follow all usual conventions unless told otherwise. I was told I'm confirmed town and everyone else was told I'm Not Evil and now Wuba is being hyper-unhelpful and is getting his jollies from watching the ensuing terminology confusion play out.
The set up implies that we should be hunting down the meteorite summoners. But there's not much reason to suppose that this is really the case.
Is this even a game? What's the point? Can everyone answer these three questions:
- Are you evil?
- Do you have a wincon?
- Did you summon the meteorite?
You do know that-if any of the above is true; people can just say no and deny, yes? Hypothetical aside:
> Noop!
> I'm assuming it, but directly? Not even a word of 'wincon//you win when:...[stuff]'
> Wut? Doesn't say any connected, just a background in the PM about who you are, what you possibly wished to be, some physical description that relies on labels, aaaand some talk about context-class -whoyouare- in accordance with powers mentioned.
...Weren't paying attention = scum?do you think genders play a good difference?I voted you before because you weren't paying attention. I'm now voting Leafsnail as he's paying even less attention and making more noise about it
Also: I take it that your vote towards me...is because I called you male, right?
...
Leafsnail explains his thoughts. You poke at his generality. Problem being, others are also doing the same.
Now let me propose this. NQT, as a player, is adverse of screeching 'I AM TOWN' to the masses. Counter point: Can you detail what you know from being the Class President about this moral sleight in terminology?
What do you fully believe about it?
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2014, 06:05:53 pm
webadict: Is there anything we can do to prevent the apocalypse?Which one?
1. No.
- Are you evil?
- Do you have a wincon?
- Did you summon the meteorite?
2. What's a wincon? Is that even a word?
3. No.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 06:07:53 pm
PFPTiruin... he was like the fourth or fifth person to launch a case against Leafsnail. Not the first. I don't know who that was, but is wasn't him.
NQTDoes Anyone Actually Have A Wincon?I'd like to hear your answer to this, NQT.
The opening post assumes we all know how to play mafia and are going to follow all usual conventions unless told otherwise. I was told I'm confirmed town and everyone else was told I'm Not Evil and now Wuba is being hyper-unhelpful and is getting his jollies from watching the ensuing terminology confusion play out.
The set up implies that we should be hunting down the meteorite summoners. But there's not much reason to suppose that this is really the case.
Is this even a game? What's the point? Can everyone answer these three questions:
- Are you evil?
- Do you have a wincon?
- Did you summon the meteorite?
You do know that-if any of the above is true; people can just say no and deny, yes? Hypothetical aside:
> Noop!
> I'm assuming it, but directly? Not even a word of 'wincon//you win when:...[stuff]'
> Wut? Doesn't say any connected, just a background in the PM about who you are, what you possibly wished to be, some physical description that relies on labels, aaaand some talk about context-class -whoyouare- in accordance with powers mentioned....Weren't paying attention = scum?do you think genders play a good difference?I voted you before because you weren't paying attention. I'm now voting Leafsnail as he's paying even less attention and making more noise about it
Also: I take it that your vote towards me...is because I called you male, right?
...
Leafsnail explains his thoughts. You poke at his generality. Problem being, others are also doing the same.
Now let me propose this. NQT, as a player, is adverse of screeching 'I AM TOWN' to the masses. Counter point: Can you detail what you know from being the Class President about this moral sleight in terminology?
What do you fully believe about it?
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 06:18:18 pm
I don't mind who is first or anysuch. That just speaks of where the origin is and what basis exists.-boop!-Tiruin... he was like the fourth or fifth person to launch a case against Leafsnail. Not the first. I don't know who that was, but is wasn't him.
The problem: People are voting those who vote NQT without leaving them questions. If you'd have wanted LS to explain himself, then direct it against his posts, exactly as they are--I don't have time, now, to read and fully check on stuffs other than LS/NQT's words. His questioning lies in his accusation.
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I explained several times. NQT has the accusation to answer, I don't just post fluff questions just for the hell of it.NQT counterpoints, but also belays the idea of Not Evil having a mark with people's roles.
We have no wincon, we don't know what to do.
Hence I propose looking back at the context:
> METEORS!
Now, not to impute our modern knowledge of meteors in a fantasy setting--meteors, are not asteroids. These things burn up in the atmosphere, and if it was summoned-given the context-the time of day would rather really limit our talk...as in, we really can't do anything about it as it'd hit (or burn up) at day end. And it didn't even say if it was going to hit Earth or whateverplanetwe're on. It is implied that people who did such are evil.
however Webadict didn't asnwer the note on what these various circumstances are that is holding him up--the cause of our delay of class! But the meteor summoning is bad, so other than a scientific background-we've to rely on symbolic background. That bad stuff happened.
AND THEN the class goes kill-crazy! (Flavor is done by nerjin, by the way)
Nerjin/Webadict: What is the school rules about offenses against other people? Is killing against the school law? Against the class law?
Questions like these give an idea about what the day-end looks like. We'd all assume kills--A hammer does not dictate day end, as in literal day end (...6:00pm whatever), but we have to assume it ends our class!
Official Secretary nerjin: Has any kind of class been plotting deaths and killing people before?
@NQT: Thanks for addressing me, (but it was..also rather late. Thanks anyway)
PFP argh.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 06:24:18 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 06:26:40 pm
Spoiler: I REQUEST ANYONE TO REREAD THIS (THAT IS EVERYONE-except Webadict/Nerjin) (click to show/hide)
1. What the hell is the context of this meteor?! It isn't even said if it is bad. It is assumed it is bad.
2. NQT has the say on what decisions happen. "We'll vote, on I dunno-the person who gets the most votes.".
NQT: What is your say?
3. We are Against killing. The inquisitor was against it, as foretold here.
4. Seriously, Teacher, what's up with the random thing on the meteor?
NQT: Expound on this meteor shenanigans. The scene starts in medias res.
The background concept seems...for warmth. Unless I can't parse programming.
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“Error: Require Warmnumnum.exe”...And its somewhat connected to love. >_>
“Too right my good looking friend,” The class flirt stated “I fear I may lose out on true love due to this meteor business.”
OR
It's totally related to ToonyMan's Love-themed game, wherein a meteor hilariously crashes onto someone's house. ...Which I only say because of random connections, probably?
Bleh.
Getting my reads soon.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 26, 2014, 06:32:41 pm
Because of, quite frankly, Occam's Razor. The simplest answer is likely the right one. NQT is confirmed not-evil, therefore, confirmed town.Leafsnail:Because there's absolutely nothing in the OP, the game start flavour or webadict's answers to our questions to suggest that "not-evil" = "a person we don't want to lynch", but webadict is clearly trying to play on that natural assumption by calling NQT "not-evil". In fact, I will turn the question around: why do you think NQT is confirmed as not scum in spite of the fact that webadict has told us nothing of the sort?
Why is it that you think we should kill NQT, when they are confirmed not-evil? Why would this be your first plan, rather than waiting for a day or so to see how things fold out?
You keep saying "You clearly don't understand a bastard game", but it is YOU who is being willfully ignorant. This isn't a bastard game like the ones you mentioned, this is a slightly bastard game. The odds of a slightly bastard game having as contrived of a puzzle as you hypothesize is rather, in my opinion, low. You keep trying to over-inflate the issue, but really, you're treating this like it's larger than it is, or you're scum going for an easy town lynch. Use Occam's Razor again, and odds are you're scum.
It's my first plan because I have now acquired a reputation for solving bastard games, so if the scum has a kill they will probably murder me night one to shut me up. Plus, the sooner I lay out my case the more time I have to argue for it.Way to let that get to your head. I don't know you, but I'd suspicious of anyone that wants to advertise themselves. Your reputation doesn't mean jack to me.
Um, where do you get this theory from?Killing everyone with a meteorite is evil. I am confirmed good and not evil.This contradicts your previous paragraph. Anyway, I still have my two answers to this: firstly, that meteor launching needn't be evil (perhaps this is like NGE or something where the world will be reborn anew afterwards - purging the wicked could be A Good Cause), and secondly that we don't know if we're actually supposed to be lynching the meteor summoners. Heck, in the game start post webadict suggested that would be a bad idea.
NQT
Does Anyone Actually Have A Wincon?I am not evil.
- Are you evil?
- Do you have a wincon?
- Did you summon the meteorite?
I do not have a wincon, however, I will openly admit that my Role PM specifically said that I must "hunt evil" however it was not mentioned as a wincon.
No, I did not summon the meteor. (Technically, it's a meteorite when it hits, right now it's just a meteor.)
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 06:33:23 pm
DarkstarOne more thing: How much do you think NQT can influence the vote? It's likely that his vote counts more than ours.Likely? Where are you getting these probabilities from? I can assure you that this isn't the case.
Here's why I say that: Your role is "class president". Your role is (probably) something about being in charge. One simple way that this could happen is that your vote counts double; I've seen other similar roles like Mayor that do the same thing. It's possible that I'm completely wrong; it's just a guess.
Post by: notquitethere on January 26, 2014, 06:45:13 pm
NQT: I take it that you answer no to all three?That's right. No. No. No.
Tiruin
1. What the hell is the context of this meteor?! It isn't even said if it is bad. It is assumed it is bad.Re-read the OP (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.0): it says that the meteor is flying towards the planet and so our 'learning days are limited'.
2. NQT has the say on what decisions happen. "We'll vote, on I dunno-the person who gets the most votes.".I assumed that the point of this game was for the town to hunt down the meteor casters. But as the mods are being deliberately obtuse, I see no reason why we shouldn't just do our own thing.
NQT: What is your say?
Now let me propose this. NQT, as a player, is adverse of screeching 'I AM TOWN' to the masses. Counter point: Can you detail what you know from being the Class President about this moral sleight in terminology?I think Wuba and Nerjin are high-fiving each other, getting a kick out of messing with us. I assume we'll find out more of the rules after the votes are all tallied and the results of the night come in.
What do you fully believe about it?
Dr Nerjin knows what's happening. Is this vote going to be counted in the next vote count?
Darkstar are you going to answer my three questions? Are you evil? Do you have a win condition? Did you summon the meteor?
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 06:59:29 pm
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I think Wuba and Nerjin are high-fiving each other, getting a kick out of messing with us. I assume we'll find out more of the rules after the votes are all tallied and the results of the night come in....You think this in response to...
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Can you detail what you know from being the Class President about this moral sleight in terminology?...
You do know we can just infer those terminologies right? That statement...gives nothing but blanks.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 07:01:14 pm
>_>
Disregard #1.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 07:02:31 pm
Tiruin tries to exit the classroom, and head towards the library and browse the section of 'Plot-Conveyance Mandatory Reading'. What books are there?-if I did get to the library.
Post by: notquitethere on January 26, 2014, 07:18:46 pm
NQT: Please re-read #2 and say what'll happen to the one who either gets the most votes when day ends/gets hammered.I have no idea, it's unclear. Maybe they'll be kicked out of school, maybe we'll kill them. We'll find out by trying it.
You do know we can just infer those terminologies right? That statement...gives nothing but blanks.You mean, we can infer 'town' from 'not evil' and 'scum or third party' from evil.
Here's a thing: you probably missed it, but Leafsnail claimed Evil Non-Meteor-Summoner. What do you think about that?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 07:23:32 pm
- Are you evil?
- Do you have a wincon?
- Did you summon the meteorite?
Here's what I have:
Yes
Not as far as I can tell
Nope
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 07:24:04 pm
Why can't you say the decision in the first place? Say something non-lethal.
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You mean, we can infer 'town' from 'not evil' and 'scum or third party' from evil.Link~ If he did so, there's a reason behind why he did so. I hope you (or anyone else) asked about it.
Here's a thing: you probably missed it, but Leafsnail claimed Evil Non-Meteor-Summoner. What do you think about that?
Because your answer on 'what is Not Evil' is redirected on blaming the mods. It doesn't hold up.
PPE:
...TDS: Explicitly evil? Cite your background, please.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 07:38:35 pm
PPE:
...TDS: Explicitly evil? Cite your background, please.
I'm evil, but I did not summon the meteor. I'm an evil wizard. And, as I said, I have no idea what my wincon is. There's nothing about wanting non-evil people dead, or even anything about non-evil people at all. To some extent, I suspect I am like a jester - my description talks about how I'm happy with how things are going, but it is implied that I didn't actually cause any of it.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 07:54:20 pm
Proposal: Continue day with these lynchy-things; discard speculation--look at the flavor; let's play this NQT style.
Meaning: I'm totally ok with the lynch-NQT must declare it non-lethal. Something like player truly roleflips at day end, however may still play in-game by the morrow.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 08:03:04 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 26, 2014, 08:08:25 pm
1) Not Evil
2) Definitely yes
3) No
Further. My role statement, upon rereading, implies that the meteor actually cannot be stopped, and that whatever is necessary must be done before it hits.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 08:10:46 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 08:12:10 pm
...Could you expound on how you're evil?
My role is evil, and I was told I was evil. Also, while I did not summon the meteor, I seem to like the fact that it was summoned. I'm not sure how that makes me evil, though.
Post by: webadict on January 26, 2014, 08:12:42 pm
Nerjin/Webadict: What is the school rules about offenses against other people? Is killing against the school law? Against the class law?1. School rules about offense against others: Pics or it didn't happen.
Questions like these give an idea about what the day-end looks like. We'd all assume kills--A hammer does not dictate day end, as in literal day end (...6:00pm whatever), but we have to assume it ends our class!
2/3. Is killing against the [any] law: ...Really? Yes. Yes it is.
Mr. Wub Badict: Would you consider summoning meteors to hit the earth an evil act?Depends on how big the meteor is. But, I'm not a Mathemagician, so I couldn't answer that limit.
Tiruin tries to exit the classroom, and head towards the library and browse the section of 'Plot-Conveyance Mandatory Reading'. What books are there?-if I did get to the library.No, you don't. You would need a hallpass to survive even leaving through the door.
Post by: makeinu on January 26, 2014, 08:14:16 pm
Wait... You have a stated wincon? That... Is very bastardy of the mod.
It does not expressly say it is a win condition, but the reading of it is pretty clear when taken as a whole: there is something I must accomplish before the meteor hits.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 26, 2014, 08:16:08 pm
Webadict: What percentage of teenagers are evil?
I questioned it right here. This was before you posted.Ok, you can take credit if you like. I don't particularly care. I think part of the difficulty of the setup is that attacking a confirmed townie head-on requires a player to take a huge risk - I think it's fair to say that NQT would probably have glided along without any real suspicion for a good while if I hadn't called him out.
You claim that you figured all of this out before anyone else did, but that just isn't true. You were the first one to actively voice it, certainly. I had already come to the conclusion you had and dismissed it as too simple. I questioned NQT's "confirmed town" status because I believed something to be up, but given the fact that the mod had been ambiguous on damn near everything, I decided to hold back until I had more information. You, on the other hand, went ahead and posted what you suspected. You seem to be missing the "slightly-bastard" part of the description: this isn't full-on bastard mod, even though both of us and probably several others have been looking at it that way.
I think you're wrong about "semi-bastard", incidentally. Webadict defines what he means by semi-bastard in the OP - a bastard game in which the moderator does not lie to you. We know he can't mean "a regular mafia game with some funky roles/ flavour puzzles", because nobody (other than NQT who is lying) seems to know their win con. That alone makes it a full bastard game.
Does Anyone Actually Have A Wincon?I don't, but I'm pretty sure you do. You were calling yourself a Confirmed Townie earlier, right? How can you say that if you don't know your wincon?
I am evil and didn't summon the meteor as I said earlier.
Which one?The meteor one, although I'd be ok with you giving us tips for any other impending apocalypses too.
Because of, quite frankly, Occam's Razor. The simplest answer is likely the right one. NQT is confirmed not-evil, therefore, confirmed town.Only in that case we'd expect him to be actually confirmed town. Not confirmed to not be an unspecified alignment. Your Occam's Razor fails because there has to be a reason for the vagueness.
You keep saying "You clearly don't understand a bastard game", but it is YOU who is being willfully ignorant. This isn't a bastard game like the ones you mentioned, this is a slightly bastard game. The odds of a slightly bastard game having as contrived of a puzzle as you hypothesize is rather, in my opinion, low. You keep trying to over-inflate the issue, but really, you're treating this like it's larger than it is, or you're scum going for an easy town lynch. Use Occam's Razor again, and odds are you're scum.It's not slightly bastard. webadict said "semi", and then defined "semi-bastard" as "a game where the mod doesn't lie to you". Also I think someone else probably fed you this argument because it's a complete 180 from your previous post.
Also lol at the idea that NQT is an "easy town lynch". Because so many people are rushing to agree with me.
Way to let that get to your head. I don't know you, but I'd suspicious of anyone that wants to advertise themselves. Your reputation doesn't mean jack to me.It answers your question about why I'd want to make this accusation day one.
Um, where do you get this theory from?NQT says to vote for the bad guys, webadict objects to the idea. Although as Tiruin said NQT never actually specified what we'd be voting for anyway.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 08:17:22 pm
Also, is the meteor large enough to kill all of us if it hits at a reasonable speed (~11 km/s afaik, as long as this planet has about 1G of gravity and about a 6000km radius)?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 08:20:18 pm
Having seen what is going on, I must concede that you are at least partially right, LeafSnail. At the very least, we must be cautious of what we do.
Also, Makeinu, I'm somewhat suspicious of your evil wizard role. Do you, perchance, have the power to NK?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 08:21:35 pm
And by suspicious I mean "I think you are a mafia type"
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 08:22:12 pm
Also, Makeinu, I'm somewhat suspicious of your evil wizard role. Do you, perchance, have the power to NK?
I'm the guy who claimed evil wizard, actually. In response to your question, no, I can't nightkill (or daykill). If I did, I wouldn't have revealed my role, would I?
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 08:23:31 pm
So..what are we acting on? mafia-esque scumhunting or the general details in the flavor?
Meaning: Dictate, NQT. There seems to be a reluctance for you to directly address my queries on that.
PPE: Yay leafysnail!
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Webadict: What percentage of teenagers are evil?I'm interested in Web's answer, however I...get the gist that he's keeping up with answering, to indulge this speculation (whether right or not).
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Ok, you can take credit if you like. I don't particularly care. I think part of the difficulty of the setup is that attacking a confirmed townie head-on requires a player to take a huge risk - I think it's fair to say that NQT would probably have glided along without any real suspicion for a good while if I hadn't called him out.Problem being: Why did we pick her. Like I said (in my speculatory post a few pages back), we seem to start in media res more than anything else--with the OP, now that I see it (:X), stating the viewpoint of one..totally holding the plotbook.
I think you're wrong about "semi-bastard", incidentally. Webadict defines what he means by semi-bastard in the OP - a bastard game in which the moderator does not lie to you. We know he can't mean "a regular mafia game with some funky roles/ flavour puzzles", because nobody (other than NQT who is lying) seems to know their win con. That alone makes it a full bastard game.
It's like silly shenanigans with a social experiment in a Mafia game.
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It's not slightly bastard. webadict said "semi", and then defined "semi-bastard" as "a game where the mod doesn't lie to you". Also I think someone else probably fed you this argument because it's a complete 180 from your previous post....I seriously think subjectivity is a way to determine this. Semi/Full bastard? Mhh.
Also lol at the idea that NQT is an "easy town lynch". Because so many people are rushing to agree with me.
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NQT says to vote for the bad guys, webadict objects to the idea. Although as Tiruin said NQT never actually specified what we'd be voting for anyway.Point being, I see...some kinda evasion on why she didn't do so in the first place.
I mean woohoo, we don't know why the president was chosen--or how (assumed)--we don't know what various circumstances hold up Web (seriously: Searchengine 'various', I'm the only one asking it and it was never answered. We can guess that mods can't give tips...so on assumption in absentia...
leafsnail/TDS: How are you Evil?
PPE x4 omg.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 08:24:47 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 08:26:47 pm
leafsnail/TDS: How are you Evil?
I'm evil because my role says so, simple as that. I don't think that means I hate non-evil people though - an evil person could simply be greedy or something like that.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 08:27:58 pm
Is simply being evil a reason to die, or do you actually have to be a person who kills people every night/day?Problem: What kind of planet and what setting are we in? :P
Also, is the meteor large enough to kill all of us if it hits at a reasonable speed (~11 km/s afaik, as long as this planet has about 1G of gravity and about a 6000km radius)?
I mean, if Webadict means manymany apocalypses and saying angel-robots in the setting...It's quite amusing.
And then our planet is the size of our small neighborhood. :O
...
Guys, ideas on Massclaim?
Everyone but teachers and other faculty: Do you have an item?I have my clothes and my schoolbooks and my-..they're all actually assumed. >_<
Meaning: Noop! Nothing but me, my ability, and my vague background which doesn't hint any wincon. At all.
I find it funny that you aren't sharing your background--or even not saying 'I've no background'.leafsnail/TDS: How are you Evil?
I'm evil because my role says so, simple as that. I don't think that means I hate non-evil people though - an evil person could simply be greedy or something like that.
Why?
Also, background please.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 08:29:39 pm
You could have been an evil vigilante role or something. I wouldn't have gone immediately for the lynch. That being said...Also, Makeinu, I'm somewhat suspicious of your evil wizard role. Do you, perchance, have the power to NK?
I'm the guy who claimed evil wizard, actually. In response to your question, no, I can't nightkill (or daykill). If I did, I wouldn't have revealed my role, would I?
Mr. Wub Badict: how many incidences of students dying have occurs in the school recently?
Also, I'm willing to claim. Non-evil firemage. No abilities to NK or harm other players due to fluff, though apparently I incinerated another student once. I wasn't listed as evil, though...
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 08:31:44 pm
That said, I wonder what everyone else thinks of the predicament now. 21 pages (sans [5] and below) and..oh dear, Caz.
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[...]apparently I incinerated another student once. I wasn't listed as evil, though...Does it just state 'you did x' without the consequence being known?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 08:33:04 pm
Everyone but teachers and other faculty: Do you have an item?
I have an item, actually. It's this staff whose only function is that it doesn't let me vote. I'm guessing that if I vote, it will simply have no effect. I'll TheDarkStar as an example.
Also, here's my background: I lost against NQT for class president due to him bribing other people. I was unhappy, but I did not actually summon the meteor. I'm just happy to see it.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 08:35:27 pm
I'm comfortable doing a roleclaim because I have a fairly weak role that probably won't, pardon the pun, draw much heat.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 26, 2014, 08:37:00 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 26, 2014, 08:38:44 pm
I'm in support of a massclaim. There are probably three meteor summoners out there.What TDS said.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 08:45:46 pm
I am happy that the meteor..exists. Yeah. Sincerely happy.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 08:58:39 pm
...This school is Evil. >_>Nerjin/Webadict: What is the school rules about offenses against other people? Is killing against the school law? Against the class law?1. School rules about offense against others: Pics or it didn't happen.
Questions like these give an idea about what the day-end looks like. We'd all assume kills--A hammer does not dictate day end, as in literal day end (...6:00pm whatever), but we have to assume it ends our class!
2/3. Is killing against the [any] law: ...Really? Yes. Yes it is.
But darn did it make me laugh.
...But I'm not evil. Wut.
So it is not the act..but the size of t-Mr. Wub Badict: Would you consider summoning meteors to hit the earth an evil act?Depends on how big the meteor is. But, I'm not a Mathemagician, so I couldn't answer that limit.
._.
We just had to have a History teach-
...
Mr. Badict: When in the past did any kind of external force (ie objects not of our world) hit our planet and cause a detrimental effect? As in, focusing on rock-objects that burn up in the sky. Like, meteors. How big were they?
((Yes this can be inferred answered by the before-example of 'Meteor = bad' but this is history.))
Ideas after 21 darn pages: NQT has..somehow not address a particular point-though (s)he does address other flavor-related points. If scumhunting has to be played in--we have two people claiming Evil.
When i say massclaim I mean withhold gender and other stuffs like that. I mean background claim or whatnot.I'm in support of a massclaim. There are probably three meteor summoners out there.What TDS said.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 09:03:25 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 26, 2014, 09:57:46 pm
Everyone but teachers and other faculty: Do you have an item?I do not have an item.
Guys, ideas on Massclaim?I say we go for it.
Also People who are claiming Evil: Leafsnail, TDS: do you guys have a night kill? Can you confirm that the other is also evil through role knowledge?
Unvote until we find out what's going on.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 26, 2014, 11:34:43 pm
Post by: Silthuri on January 26, 2014, 11:40:01 pm
1. No.
- Are you evil?
- Do you have a wincon?
- Did you summon the meteorite?
2. Uh... No? Maybe? I appear to have a desire completely unrelated to the rest of humanity.
3. No.
Everyone but teachers and other faculty: Do you have an item?I do indeed.
Guys, ideas on Massclaim?Sure. Everyone else seems to think this is a good idea.
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 12:21:38 am
We have yet to hear from more than 2/3rds of the remaining populace-and I believe they may be fazed, or even balk at the # of pages.
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I, personally, haven't heard from Toaster, Cado, Caz, NQT, Hapah and preferably require more from Leafsnail and makeinu.TheDarkStar
mastahcheese
4maskwolf
LeafsnailHissihnWalnuts
CazMyOwnWorstEnemy
RangerCadoTiruin
Hapah
Toaster
notquitetheremakeinu
There are many who haven't spoken. I will attempt a summary of what has occurred soon enough.
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 01:23:54 am
Caz might not be heard from before day's end.
As for a massclaim, I'm not sold on the value because a) we can't quote our role statements, 2) you're advocating withholding gender, item nature and use, and who knows what else, and iii) if people can't deduce their wincon from their own role statements with all that information! what can we expect to figure out otherwise?
Post by: notquitethere on January 27, 2014, 02:56:43 am
Weird. NQT, you say-inflavor-that the decision rests with you, but here I see someone parrying it. I expected an answer on what you'd do...you advise a lynch instead.You've got to realise that every time you post I have to sit down and work out exactly what you're trying to say. I'd want to search the voted students for signs of them taking part in the Meteor Summoning, and maybe expel them from school.
Why can't you say the decision in the first place? Say something non-lethal.
Because your answer on 'what is Not Evil' is redirected on blaming the mods. It doesn't hold up.The mods have been deliberately vague in public over whether Not Evil is the same as Town and whether these are even relevant terms in the game.
So..what are we acting on? mafia-esque scumhunting or the general details in the flavor?The flavour indicates that we should be looking for the meteor summoners, so we should probably scumhunt the summoners. Why are you voting for me?
Meaning: Dictate, NQT. There seems to be a reluctance for you to directly address my queries on that.
Ideas after 21 darn pages: NQT has..somehow not address a particular point-though (s)he does address other flavor-related points. If scumhunting has to be played in--we have two people claiming Evil.I don't know what point your referring to. Hopefully your questions are sufficiently answered now. Do you think it's better to vote Not Evil over Evil then?
I am happy that the meteor..exists. Yeah. Sincerely happy.Why? Did you summon it?
Wolf, Sure
Leafsnail
I can say that because that's what it says in my role PM. What it doesn't say is 'and you win when such and such a condition is met'.Does Anyone Actually Have A Wincon?I don't, but I'm pretty sure you do. You were calling yourself a Confirmed Townie earlier, right? How can you say that if you don't know your wincon?
Post by: Hapah on January 27, 2014, 10:28:26 am
27 pages arlready? Geez. @_@
I'll try to skim and hit the high notes while I'm at work.
Post by: notquitethere on January 27, 2014, 11:00:52 am
27 pages arlready? Geez. @_@This (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4955132#msg4955132) is the important post to respond to.
I'll try to skim and hit the high notes while I'm at work.
Are you evil? Do you have a wincon? Did you summon the meteor?
Post by: Hapah on January 27, 2014, 11:35:15 am
No No(Not explicitly stated, anyway) No
(I guess that first question is serious? I'm just getting into LS's "Evil maybe didn't summon the meteor" bit around page 20)
Post by: RangerCado on January 27, 2014, 11:38:10 am
Does Anyone Actually Have A Wincon?I'll get my big post of sifting through 10 pages by evening today, but I will respond to this.
The opening post assumes we all know how to play mafia and are going to follow all usual conventions unless told otherwise. I was told I'm confirmed town and everyone else was told I'm Not Evil and now Wuba is being hyper-unhelpful and is getting his jollies from watching the ensuing terminology confusion play out.
The set up implies that we should be hunting down the meteorite summoners. But there's not much reason to suppose that this is really the case.
Is this even a game? What's the point? Can everyone answer these three questions:
- Are you evil?
- Do you have a wincon?
- Did you summon the meteorite?
1: Yes I was told i'm Evil.
2: No I do not have a wincon.
3: I did take part in summoning the meteor, though it was out of a hate for not finding love. Also, my meteor item was just stolen so... yeah.
Post by: Silthuri on January 27, 2014, 12:23:54 pm
Cado: You are both Evil and a summoner. Why should we keep you around?
NQT: Did you bribe our lovely teacher to overlook your Evil status?
Post by: Toaster on January 27, 2014, 12:24:37 pm
4mask:
Toaster: To be defensive was not my intent. My sole intent was to divine Tiruin's intent in questioning me, which was promptly answered.
Fair enough.
MastahCheese missed giving me a question, if I read his post correctly.
Why do you care?
Or, you know, third party. Because a third party could just as legitimately ask this question as a scum. Or town without a clear win condition. This is a bastard mod.
So I take it you're third party? Good to know. What kind? What is your wincon?
Mastahcheese:
Toaster
I have nothing to say to you.
Then why did you address me?
...I had not thought of that.Well, the inquisitor is kill-happy, because he doesn't follow your frelling rules.I'd wager Dr. Nerjin's gun was not left here by accident.
I'm not actually sure as to what "lynching" will do in this game.
You don't think a gun on the desk right there where we can get it is relevant?
Ok, I know pretty much nothing of bastard games, so I'm going to put that bit aside for now as this seems to be overcomplicating things way too much for me right now.
What I can see:
1. Way too much arguments over good/not-evil/evil/mafia/not-mafia/town/third party/people who want to eat our livers.
2. Leafsnail trying to openly murder a confirmed townie.
3. Webadict being totally useless, actually, counter productive in terms of explaining the game.
Those are the biggest things I see going on right now, so I'm voting Leafsnail for openly attempting to murder a confirmed townie/not-evil/good/person who doesn't want to eat my liver.
You vote really starts to stink when you say you're not going to take the time to understand the case he's making.
Makeinu:
Makeinu: What would you do to someone you think is puzzle solving too much to hunt scum?
Wait. There's a difference? I thought finding scum was the puzzle. Your question makes no sense to me...
This is at least a mild bastard mod. That means there's a bit of something non-standard going on here. Puzzle solving would be trying to figure that out. Scum hunting is determining who is scum and lynching them- so mechanics versus players. Now you should be able to answer that.
Leafsnail: why do you want to kill the only one we've got confirmation of being totally GoodTM?
I think it's pretty damned clear why he's voting him. Did you read his posts?
meteor poisoning!!
I laughed.
Hapah:
Toaster, Leaf: What do you two make of the Good/Not Evil thing? I think I've got the right of it, but I'd value your opinions.
I think it's a red herring. The scum team must be Evil, and therefore everyone else is Not Evil. There *may* be a distinction between simply Not Evil and actually Good (IE third parties) but I don't think the flavor surrounding it is relevant.
Tiruin:
> While talking about Angelic beings (is quite awesome), it doesn't seem to be drawing any kind of related data just like asking someone in a regular mafia game 'what's your favorite color and flavor of ice cream'. Hence why I ask you guys to please put pertinent questions along with what you're currently asking.
What's your favorite color of ice cream?
Guys, ideas on Massclaim?
Too early, as of yet. It should probably happen sooner than typical, though.
Walnuts:
Watch as the only town is the guy who's been confirmed town.
This implies you are, in fact, not town. Is this correct?
NQT: Since your ability is pretty obvious, can you give us more detail? Flavor, rolename, anything you care to claim? I won't begrudge you if you don't want to give out rolename though.
- Are you evil?
- Do you have a wincon?
- Did you summon the meteorite?
1. No.
2.
3. No.
1: Yes I was told i'm Evil.
2: No I do not have a wincon.
3: I did take part in summoning the meteor, though it was out of a hate for not finding love. Also, my meteor item was just stolen so... yeah.
Do you know who else did? Who are they? Is NQT in that list?
Can you (or anyone) unsummon the meteor? What does the item do?
Was your item stolen during the day or before the game started?
WUBA:
1. No.
- Are you evil?
So much for no lying!
Post by: notquitethere on January 27, 2014, 12:41:17 pm
No No(Not explicitly stated, anyway) NoYes, it's a serious question. we've now discovered the three evil players: Leafsnail, Darkstar and Ranger, only Ranger claims to have summoned a meteor.
(I guess that first question is serious? I'm just getting into LS's "Evil maybe didn't summon the meteor" bit around page 20)
Ranger
1: Yes I was told i'm Evil.Do you know who your co-conspirators are? Do you know if there's anything we can do to stop the meteor? Do you know anything about the theft and possible motivations for it? Will evicting/hanging/punishing you help us in any way? Do you have a night kill? Do you have a private chat channel? (Sorry for all the questions!)
2: No I do not have a wincon.
3: I did take part in summoning the meteor, though it was out of a hate for not finding love. Also, my meteor item was just stolen so... yeah.
MOWE
NQT: Did you bribe our lovely teacher to overlook your Evil status?No. I think I bribed my fellow students to vote for me, but I'm definitely Not Evil. According to Wuba, 23% of the population is Evil (3/13) and we now know exactly who those three students are: Leafsnail, Darkstar and Ranger.
Toaster
NQT: Since your ability is pretty obvious, can you give us more detail? Flavor, rolename, anything you care to claim? I won't begrudge you if you don't want to give out rolename though.Everyone already knows everything about my role: I'm Class President, an ambitious young lady that rose to power through her possession of deep pockets. My role power is an automatic ability, that I'm confirmed Good by the mod and that's all.
I've PMed Web for clarification, since PM role questions tend to yield more relevant responses than in-thread questions.I wish that were the case when I asked him about my lack of win condition...
Post by: notquitethere on January 27, 2014, 12:43:37 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 01:09:07 pm
-snip-...
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Ok, NQT- I really doubt you've missed my note of you dictating the lynch. As in, really. I've said that much...many times. You didn't say anything about it, at all.
Ever.
I'm seriously suspecting you've a tie-in with those mechanics.
Since you've said neither hair nor tail about it despite my constant poking.
Note 1. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4955274#msg4955274)
Note 2. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4955329#msg4955329)
I believe in #2...you saw that post. And the question.
Nope! I've noticed among those 'evil' students (...in media res, truly. Those backgrounds don't say they're evil), they "like" the meteor. And know it has been summoned.I am happy that the meteor..exists. Yeah. Sincerely happy.Why? Did you summon it?
As for my background claim...Erh. I was serious when I meant I can't glean anything from it.
"I want to be a normal but no, I'm stuck with you guys. Practicin' my magic. I'm a mage. It sucks. Being skilled in magic and bookery makes me look nerdy. [I am somehow attracted to beards. Because beards >_>]. [Stuff about ability being an 'at least you can do x']"
So yeah. I got nuffin'. Not even a wincon or a clue. :v
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You've got to realise that every time you post I have to sit down and work out exactly what you're trying to say. I'd want to search the voted students for signs of them taking part in the Meteor Summoning, and maybe expel them from school.NQT: Is this your order for those being "lynched" or voted upon? Expulsion? Subtle~
Dear me, lessen the severity for experimental's sake.
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The mods have been deliberately vague in public over whether Not Evil is the same as Town and whether these are even relevant terms in the game.If A = B and B = C then C = A?
:I
It's somewhat the same thing--yet we don't know why we're evil or not labeled evil. You're Good/Not Evil, yet you're evading my note on you being able to be the decider over the votes.
I mentioned that. Twice now.
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I don't know what point your referring to. Hopefully your questions are sufficiently answered now. Do you think it's better to vote Not Evil over Evil then?I have no idea, sincerely. I do not, however, see the benefit of voting 'Evil' people considering they're being darn honest and gutsy to even claim evil. Next-YOU have the decision over the end-vote! I don't believe you've forgotten that?
Or perhaps are ignoring me questioning you about that-wherein I ask: Why, NQT?
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The flavour indicates that we should be looking for the meteor summoners, so we should probably scumhunt the summoners. Why are you voting for me?...You totally missed it, didn't you.
If we are scumhunting the 'summoners', why do you have nothing to say to TDS? He's Evil--you've said many things to Leafsnail, too, but not to TDS.
I mean your poke is poking at LS who is poking at you, for 'attacking town'. Now, query my beliefs here but I'm in favor of following his ideas after thorough scrutiny of what's present.
I also mean, you get the ending decision, don't you?
As an added note: Warmnumnum.exe sounds a lot like warm food. Warm numnum? xD
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 01:11:09 pm
Could you guys detail your background?
..
I have silly thoughts about this but they don't make sense despite making sense. >_>
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 01:14:05 pm
ToasterDeep...pockets?NQT: Since your ability is pretty obvious, can you give us more detail? Flavor, rolename, anything you care to claim? I won't begrudge you if you don't want to give out rolename though.Everyone already knows everything about my role: I'm Class President, an ambitious young lady that rose to power through her possession of deep pockets. My role power is an automatic ability, that I'm confirmed Good by the mod and that's all.
Reword please? Trouble with metaphors here.
Tiruin::I> While talking about Angelic beings (is quite awesome), it doesn't seem to be drawing any kind of related data just like asking someone in a regular mafia game 'what's your favorite color and flavor of ice cream'. Hence why I ask you guys to please put pertinent questions along with what you're currently asking.
What's your favorite color of ice cream?
Cookies.
Post by: Toaster on January 27, 2014, 01:16:14 pm
Post by: Hapah on January 27, 2014, 01:16:28 pm
Tir: Deep Pockets = Lots of Money.
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 01:20:21 pm
PFP...?
Tir: Deep Pockets = Lots of Money.
So..
...
That implies a lot and is too general! Dx
That means NQT bribed her way here!
Or, we're actually a subtle class of business institution. Or like cash.
ToasterAnd no, I didn't know that everything about your role. Where did you get that idea?NQT: Since your ability is pretty obvious, can you give us more detail? Flavor, rolename, anything you care to claim? I won't begrudge you if you don't want to give out rolename though.Everyone already knows everything about my role: I'm Class President, an ambitious young lady that rose to power through her possession of deep pockets. My role power is an automatic ability, that I'm confirmed Good by the mod and that's all.
Cookies is not a color!Pink vanilla cookie ice cream. :I
Post by: notquitethere on January 27, 2014, 01:28:52 pm
My character is very rich (her pockets are deep enough to hold all her money). 'Expulsion' in British English at least, is when a kid is permanently kicked out of school, or 'expelled'. It's a pretty mild punishment for destruction of the Earth.
I am waiting to see whether my vote for Nerjin is counted before I start making any fresh cases against anyone, Deathstar or otherwise.
I should have said 'Everyone that has been paying attention knows everything about my role'.
Wuba please give us a vote count!
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 01:45:51 pm
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My character is very rich (her pockets are deep enough to hold all her money). 'Expulsion' in British English at least, is when a kid is permanently kicked out of school, or 'expelled'. It's a pretty mild punishment for destruction of the Earth.That's...the same meaning I thought of when I typed about it.
Next: No you didn't mention her being rich at all beforehand.
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In which we all catch up to the thread, except for the mods. :I
I am waiting to see whether my vote for Nerjin is counted before I start making any fresh cases against anyone, Deathstar or otherwise.
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I should have said 'Everyone that has been paying attention knows everything about my role'.*points at searchengine*
No. Note.
Oh Tiruin I already told you in my first post of this game that this isn't a Kingmaker game. I honestly didn't think you still thought I had the deciding vote. To speak clearly and unambiguously: I do not have any special vote powers. It isn't just my vote that counts. I have no special relationship with the mechanics other than being declared by Wuba to be Not Evil.Let me just skim the thought of 'flavor matters'. Try to announce what what happens to the one that is voted roleflips, and returns the next day.
Pretty strange mechanic but were totally grasping at nothing right now. We have no idea what to do--OTHER than 'find meteor summonah'.
Wherein said people...claimed. I mean, sans Caz, its like a full claim (Evil/Not Evil terms..).
Also you said you've a passive ability, though. The orange part is in question since we don't know if flavor does matter, or whatelse does.
..And most of us don't even have a wincon (assumed or implied-what is the wincon is 'remove meteor summoner' but that's also vague. The best possible idea is for you to announce what happens to the lynched/most voted and for us to target those who had claimed meteor summoner to test the most logical hypothesis.)
Post by: webadict on January 27, 2014, 03:22:40 pm
Webadict: What percentage of teenagers are evil?Everyone knows all teenagers are evil.
Guys, ideas on Massclaim?I feel this unfairly impacts the fatter students.
Mr. Wub Badict: how many incidences of students dying have occurs in the school recently?I'm pretty sure the school made me sign something.
I am happy that the meteor..exists. Yeah. Sincerely happy.? Weirdo.
Mr. Badict: When in the past did any kind of external force (ie objects not of our world) hit our planet and cause a detrimental effect? As in, focusing on rock-objects that burn up in the sky. Like, meteors. How big were they?There's probably been a few. But, I don't think any of them has destroyed the planet before.
((Yes this can be inferred answered by the before-example of 'Meteor = bad' but this is history.))
Also, calm down, it was the weekend before. I'll get your vote count soon.
Post by: Toaster on January 27, 2014, 03:26:23 pm
2.No.Maybe. There's a line in my flavor that on first glance looked like flavor, but upon discarding assumptions, may actually be a wincon, though it's not stated as such. I've PMed Web for clarification, since PM role questions tend to yield more relevant responses than in-thread questions.
For the record, WUBA was extremely unhelpful in clarifying this.
In any case, NQT, I meant more detail on your specific "NQT is town" ability, not the role.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 27, 2014, 03:27:21 pm
Post by: webadict on January 27, 2014, 03:49:57 pm
Mr. Badict: If you tell me an insulting joke you can put me in the replacement list.Nobody wants to hear about your life.
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 04:02:11 pm
Over 250 posts between my thread checkings. Good God you people are wordy.
I'm ready for my close-up, Mr DeMille!
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...I had not thought of that.Well, the inquisitor is kill-happy, because he doesn't follow your frelling rules.I'd wager Dr. Nerjin's gun was not left here by accident.
I'm not actually sure as to what "lynching" will do in this game.
You don't think a gun on the desk right there where we can get it is relevant?
Psshhh, heh, no... *shifts eyes rapidly*
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Makeinu:Makeinu: What would you do to someone you think is puzzle solving too much to hunt scum?
Wait. There's a difference? I thought finding scum was the puzzle. Your question makes no sense to me...
This is at least a mild bastard mod. That means there's a bit of something non-standard going on here. Puzzle solving would be trying to figure that out. Scum hunting is determining who is scum and lynching them- so mechanics versus players. Now you should be able to answer that.
Well, the real problem is this: how do you hunt scum when you don't understand the parameters? Indeed, when the parameters have been deliberately hidden from you?
So on the one hand, lynch the bastard for not hunting scum, and on the other, who the hell are we even looking for?
We have three who've admitted to being told they're Evil. This is a school of wizardry, of some sort, so damned if that's not surprising in the least. It's also a strong indicator to me that Evil is not the criteria we need to solve for, i.e., lynching the Evil students won't solve our problem.
We also have the fact that two of those claimants deny having anything to do with summoning the meteor.
So, alignment is a distraction, a red herring.
Look, a supermodel! Look, a hoverboard! Look, the apocalypse! Someone got hit in the boingloings! Hit in the boingloings! Boingloings! Boingloings! Somebody got hit in them. Peace out!
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meteor poisoning!!
I laughed.
Man, I really wrote that? Har!
WUBA:
1. No.
- Are you evil?
So much for no lying!
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Actually, he never said he wouldn't lie to us. He said nothing he'd say would be 100% lie. His lies are, from what I can see, lies by omission. He's not telling us anything that's untrue, he's just not telling us much that is outright true, and nothing that's outright false.
What he is doing is concealing the truth behind clever phrases and pretty prose. Flavor. Fluff.
2.No.Maybe. There's a line in my flavor that on first glance looked like flavor, but upon discarding assumptions, may actually be a wincon, though it's not stated as such. I've PMed Web for clarification, since PM role questions tend to yield more relevant responses than in-thread questions.
For the record, WUBA was extremely unhelpful in clarifying this.
Does this surprise you, in the least? Answer honestly, and that answer should be no, because it shouldn't surprise you at all.
Everyone: You all have win conditions. Even Wuba and Nerjin have win conditions: confuse us and be amused at our flounderings. Right now, they're the only ones winning.
Go, now, and reread your role statements. Carefully. Don't just skim them, looking for the obvious "push this button to win the game". Look through the words, push aside the fluff, ignore the flavor because you probably hate pineapple anyway and grapes don't really taste like that, and look for what your role is telling you.
Because there's a win in there somewhere.
UI: Can I tell a bad one?
An electron and a positron walk into a bar.
The positron says, "It's your turn to buy drinks."
The electron asks, "Are you sure?"
The positron says, "I'm positive."
Badumbumtsch!!
Two theoretical physicists are at the top of a mountain, lost, and arguing over their location. Finally, one grabs the map from the other and studies it carefully. After a moment, he says, "I've got it. See that mountain?" and points at a neighboring peak.
"We're over there!"
Yow!
I'll be here all week!
Post by: Toaster on January 27, 2014, 04:11:14 pm
No, I'm not surprised about the wincon. He was also singularly unhelpful when asked about roleflips, even in the context of the game.
I certainly have something that could be interpreted as a wincon in the case of the "ignore all assumptions and look at the flavor and nothing else" interpretation. Problem is, even THAT is vague.
Maybe the items are the key? Each item has to find its way to a certain player?
Everyone: Building on what Makeinu said above, if you see something that could be a wincon in your flavor, does it appear an item could solve it for you? If you have an item, does its description imply someone else in particular might want it?
Two blondes were walking in the woods when they came upon a set of tracks. They stopped and looked at them for a few minutes until the first one spoke up. "Those are deer tracks!" The second laughed and said "You dummy! Those are wolf tracks!"
They continued to argue back and forth on what kind of tracks they were for a while, and then the train hit them.
Post by: Hapah on January 27, 2014, 04:33:02 pm
Has anyone tried to take the gun off the desk?
Post by: Toaster on January 27, 2014, 04:34:37 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 04:36:36 pm
PFP....No.
Has anyone tried to take the gun off the desk?
Do we know firearm safety? (Also I missed that one >_>)
Everyone: You all have win conditions. Even Wuba and Nerjin have win conditions: confuse us and be amused at our flounderings. Right now, they're the only ones winning.
Go, now, and reread your role statements. Carefully. Don't just skim them, looking for the obvious "push this button to win the game". Look through the words, push aside the fluff, ignore the flavor because you probably hate pineapple anyway and grapes don't really taste like that, and look for what your role is telling you.
Because there's a win in there somewhere.
I'm straightforward here with you guys when I say I can't read anything that pertains to any kind of win-any kind of goal "other than 'be normal' which I don't even know means-or can be achieved (lose my powers? That isn't also normal..) or see anything pertaining to what I should do. At all.
Everyone: Building on what Makeinu said above, if you see something that could be a wincon in your flavor, does it appear an item could solve it for you? If you have an item, does its description imply someone else in particular might want it?
So yeah. Nothing.
Nothing.
And I've no item.
PPE:
:O
Toaster, keeping his eye out for an opportunity, moves to take the revolver off the desk.I really think we need a moving votecount-as in, links in OP/ provided links.
Post by: Toaster on January 27, 2014, 04:39:40 pm
Post by: webadict on January 27, 2014, 04:40:39 pm
*Thud*
The water inside Mr. Badict’s gold plated personalized wrist-mounted super-soaker with the fancy transparent water tank, to allow for such moments as this, trembled.
*Thud*
It was getting closer.
*Thud*
It couldn’t be…
*Thud*
No…
*Thud*
Oh no!
*Thud*
Panic began setting in.
*Thud*
The students panic was reaching a fever pitch!!!
*Thud*
They began to calm down due to the slightly pleasant aroma of Notquitethere’s perfume bottle shattering from the sheer amount of fear in the room. Lilacs. Very nice. Very soothing.
*Thud*
Mr. Badict talked about lilacs sometimes. Were there lilacs in his safe location?
*Thud*
Huh? Oh yeah! Uh, abject terror and fear and lilacs and certain doom and whatever…
*Thud*
The dark shadow of the approaching form rested before their door.
“Oh no… No…” Notquitethere whispered as they tried desperately to will away the shadow. But even their mighty powers of not really having any legitimate authority could sway the shadow.
Sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowly the door opened revealing…
MEPH ANSTERAS THE ROBOT JANITOR! He stood at exactly five and a half feet tall and wielded his broom of dusting like a warrior wielding a very similar broom of dusting that he used to dust things that needed dusting! The very appearance of his mutton chops was enough to drive MyOwnWorstEnemy into a fearful whimper! His red eyes filled with fire and brimstone scanned the room slowly. The jagged spikes on his shoulders trembled with each robotic breath of pure hatred.
Slowly his jagged maw opened releasing lava with each word he spoke “Have you children seen Dr. Nerjin?” Surprisingly gentle despite his fearsome appearance.
Trembling in everlasting torment at the very sight of this man Notquitethere, and their classmates, answered in unison “He was here a moment ago…”
“Oh Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom, I can’t seem to find that man anywhere. So what are you kids up to?” Mr. Ansteras asked in a surprisingly non-horrifying way.
The children flinched as Mr. Ansteras addressed them again “We’re trying to find out who summoned the meteor that will kill us all…” Mumbled 4Mask
“Oh, that sounds fun. I’m not worried about it myself. Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom, will save us. I know it in my circuit board and-“ Mr. Ansteras paused momentarily “What’s this!?”
“AH!” Shouted the students in fear as Mr. Ansteras slowly walked towards the desk and picked up Dr. Nerjin’s Revolver.
“This isn’t very safe… I’ll hold onto this so you kids don’t end up hurting eachother. Anyways, have fun trying to find out who did all this.”
The children glanced at one another.
“Processing encounter….”
“What?” Notquitethere asked the speaking student.
“Encounter processed… Mr. Ansteras value equals Robot… True. Missing files… Status: Still missing.”
“Uh… Okay?” Seemed a little bit of an odd observation to make.
“Um… Did anyone else notice that he just seemed to take away something we thought was a clue right after introducing it?”
“Yeah… So?”
“The fluff gods must hate us!”
“Oh Toad, here we go again. Lemme guess, the ‘fluff’ gods summoned the meteor too?”
Note: Of the 13 players, only 2 tried to take the gun! But, that wouldn't work, anyway!
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz - Hapah,
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
Leafsnail -
makeinu -
mastahcheese - Toaster,
MyOwnWorstEnemy - RangerCado,
notquitethere - Leafsnail, Tiruin,
RangerCado -
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
No Lynch - notquitethere,
Not Voting - 4maskwolf, Caz, HissihnWalnuts, makeinu, mastahcheese, MyOwnWorstEnemy, TheDarkStar,
7 To Hammer. Day Ends Wednesday 9 PM Central.
Make sure I didn't miss your vote. Mostly done with LurkerTracker!
Post by: webadict on January 27, 2014, 04:43:05 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 04:57:25 pm
:o
???
:-\
*pulls out EyePad and checks the Lurker Tracker*
???
Post by: Toaster on January 27, 2014, 05:04:07 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 06:38:29 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 06:40:46 pm
That vote board matches the one from the Lurker Tracker only in that they both have letters.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 06:42:29 pm
'Tain't proof o' nothin' such.
That vote board matches the one from the Lurker Tracker only in that they both have letters.
Wait, are the votes really that different? I'll have to check.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 06:44:45 pm
PFPYes. Wuba told me that Dr. Nerjin would shoot me for taking it. Also, that he'd lecture me for not calling it a revolver.
Has anyone tried to take the gun off the desk?
Also, slight discrepency in the vote chart. Leafsnail is listed as voting for himself AND NQT. Meaning that Leafsnail has an ability or item that is screwing with him, because Tiruin is not listed as voting for herself but also voted NQT.
Also, TDS has proved that the item that vote-blocks does exist.
And to whoever asked if I am third party: without knowing my wincon, I have no idea. I was toying with the idea that everyone is third party.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 06:48:28 pm
'Tain't proof o' nothin' such.
That vote board matches the one from the Lurker Tracker only in that they both have letters.
Could you post what the lurkertracker says, for comparison?
Post by: Leafsnail on January 27, 2014, 06:56:40 pm
leafsnail/TDS: How are you Evil?I'm as evil as any other teenager.
Everyone but teachers and other faculty: Do you have an item?I don't want to divulge role information unless we're having a general massclaim, and I'm not convinced a massclaim will be a good idea at all. webadict generally prepares scum countermeasures for day one massclaims.
Also People who are claiming Evil: Leafsnail, TDS: do you guys have a night kill? Can you confirm that the other is also evil through role knowledge?I don't, and no.
So, everyone claiming not evil other than webadict and Nerjin... what's up with you? I guess this must be a 12/13 year old class?Webadict: What percentage of teenagers are evil?Everyone knows all teenagers are evil.
"Townie" has a generally understood win condition attached to it, though: eliminate all scum. In other words, you are the only player who knows their win condition. That is insanely suspicious because it implies you have far more information than any of the rest of us, and "informed minority" is basically the definition of scum.I can say that because that's what it says in my role PM. What it doesn't say is 'and you win when such and such a condition is met'.Does Anyone Actually Have A Wincon?I don't, but I'm pretty sure you do. You were calling yourself a Confirmed Townie earlier, right? How can you say that if you don't know your wincon?
Incidentally, in Bellsounder the bastard scum (me) was the only player who knew their win condition.
Could you guys detail your background?I won't unless there's a general massclaim.
I have no special relationship with the mechanics other than being declared by Wuba to be Not Evil.And also being the only person to be given an alignment that actually has meaning in a game of mafia. That's pretty big too.
Everyone: Building on what Makeinu said above, if you see something that could be a wincon in your flavor, does it appear an item could solve it for you? If you have an item, does its description imply someone else in particular might want it?Kinda, but I'm not sure if I can see an item solving it.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 06:59:38 pm
'Tain't proof o' nothin' such.
That vote board matches the one from the Lurker Tracker only in that they both have letters.
Could you post what the lurkertracker says, for comparison?
Since I had the lurker tracker up, I did this:
4maskwolf:
Caz: Hapah
Hapah:
HinninhWalnuts:
Leafsnail: makeinu
makeinu:
Mastahcheese: Toaster
MyOwnWorstEnemy: RangerCado
NotQuiteThere: Tiruin, Leafsnail
RangerCado:
TheDarkStar: TheDarkStar
Tiruin:
Toaster:
Dr. Nerjin: NotQuiteThere (this will probably end badly)
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 07:03:32 pm
Maybe the items are the key? Each item has to find its way to a certain player?
Everyone: Building on what Makeinu said above, if you see something that could be a wincon in your flavor, does it appear an item could solve it for you? If you have an item, does its description imply someone else in particular might want it?
That likely isn't the case, as some players have reported not having an artifact and nobody has reported having more than one.
I wasn't asking for role information, I was asking for presence or absence of one. You answered the evil question readily enough, and this one was just as vague.Everyone but teachers and other faculty: Do you have an item?I don't want to divulge role information unless we're having a general massclaim, and I'm not convinced a massclaim will be a good idea at all. webadict generally prepares scum countermeasures for day one massclaims.
PPE:
TDS: Thank you for that data.
It appears that either Makeinu has an ability that disguises his votes or that Leafsnail has an ability that says that he always votes for himself but nobody else can. I'm leaning towards the first option, or an item of Makeinu's that does the same.
Post by: notquitethere on January 27, 2014, 07:07:07 pm
Next: No you didn't mention her being rich at all beforehand.Darkstar revealed that I'd won the election through bribery (for which one generally needs to be fairly wealthy). It's not a significant detail.
Let me just skim the thought of 'flavor matters'. Try to announce what what happens to the one that is voted roleflips, and returns the next day.Okay, just to humour you:
Ranger Cado is hereby stripped of all their magic and expelled from the school on account of conspiring to bring about a meteor and generally being Evil. (Sorry Ranger, it's not personal. Just because I think you're a bad guy doesn't mean I think you're a bad guy.)
Toaster
In any case, NQT, I meant more detail on your specific "NQT is town" ability, not the role.There is no detail: I am town and publicly confirmed as such. That is my ability.
Everyone: Building on what Makeinu said above, if you see something that could be a wincon in your flavor, does it appear an item could solve it for you? If you have an item, does its description imply someone else in particular might want it?Is there something you particularly want?
Everyone Else You probably have an implicit wincon. I think Leafsnail's probably right that my goal is to see off the scum. That seems to be either the meteor summoners or the evil students or both. Maybe that's your goal too? I think we should hedge our bets and get rid of Ranger Cado (though Darkstar might not be a bad idea as he's going to give one us his vote blocking item tonight).
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 07:13:33 pm
Also, I'll FoS RangerCado in red for admitting to being a meteor summoner. I'm not sure what we need to do, but it's the only thing we've learned so far. I just hope he isn't a jester that kills us all upon death.
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 07:15:53 pm
PPE:
TDS: Thank you for that data.
It appears that either Makeinu has an ability that disguises his votes or that Leafsnail has an ability that says that he always votes for himself but nobody else can. I'm leaning towards the first option, or an item of Makeinu's that does the same.
Ooooorrrrrr, as more likely, that Wuba made a (deliberate?) mistake. Because your speculation about me is incorrect.
I note that the vote board has already been edited as well. More "not lying 100%" :P
Further, TDS not showing up on the vote board doesn't prove his item. There are other explanations that conceivably fit as well, such as self-voting is not allowed. For example.
PPE: FoS isn't in red. Votes are.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 07:18:23 pm
PPE: FoS isn't in red. Votes are.
I know that, but my item won't let me vote. If it makes you that happy, RangerCado. I'm just saying that I'd probably vote for him if I could.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 07:19:11 pm
What... The... Hell...
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 07:20:10 pm
PPE: FoS isn't in red. Votes are.
I know that, but my item won't let me vote. If it makes you that happy, RangerCado. I'm just saying that I'd probably vote for him if I could.
No, leave it as a vote. I'm more curious to see what happens.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 07:23:52 pm
PPE: FoS isn't in red. Votes are.
I know that, but my item won't let me vote. If it makes you that happy, RangerCado. I'm just saying that I'd probably vote for him if I could.
No, leave it as a vote. I'm more curious to see what happens.
Notice that I didn't unvote.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 07:25:32 pm
Post by: Nerjin on January 27, 2014, 07:27:25 pm
PFPAlso, that he'd lecture me for not calling it a revolver.
Has anyone tried to take the gun off the desk?
Apparently you're not the only one who doesn't understand that insulting my favorite firearm by calling it anything less than its actual name is a bad idea. Too bad I have literally no direct power. BUT I will be sending the two of you required reading on the differences of Revolvers from other firearms.
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 07:30:16 pm
PPE: FoS isn't in red. Votes are.
I know that, but my item won't let me vote. If it makes you that happy, RangerCado. I'm just saying that I'd probably vote for him if I could.
No, leave it as a vote. I'm more curious to see what happens.
Notice that I didn't unvote.
I noticed, but we don't know how literal our teacher is. I mean, is he literally a teacher? Or figuratively?
PPE:
Nerjin: Would you prefer we called it a rubber soul?
Post by: Leafsnail on January 27, 2014, 07:34:10 pm
I wasn't asking for role information, I was asking for presence or absence of one. You answered the evil question readily enough, and this one was just as vague.There's a possibility that the scum has an item stealing ability, in that case telling them who has items could be a bad idea. I don't see what's to be gained by just claiming whether we have items or not, we should do a full claim if we're doing anything on that front.
Everyone Else You probably have an implicit wincon. I think Leafsnail's probably right that my goal is to see off the scum. That seems to be either the meteor summoners or the evil students or both.Or literally every player who isn't you. That seems most likely to me.
Maybe that's your goal too? I think we should hedge our bets and get rid of Ranger Cado (though Darkstar might not be a bad idea as he's going to give one us his vote blocking item tonight).By "one of us" you mean "me, the bastard scum with an infinity vote ability" right?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 07:34:45 pm
Nerjin: Would you prefer we called it a rubber soul?
I prefer the term explosive bow.
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 07:36:43 pm
Nerjin: Would you prefer we called it a rubber soul?
I prefer the term explosive bow.
*watches TDS miss the joke*
You've dated yourself, sonny. Now, geroff my lawn!
Post by: Leafsnail on January 27, 2014, 07:38:23 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 07:42:52 pm
Nerjin: Would you prefer we called it a rubber soul?
I prefer the term explosive bow.
*watches TDS miss the joke*
You've dated yourself, sonny. Now, geroff my lawn!
I'm pretty sure I've heard of what you've said before; I just can't remember where.
On-Topic: NQT seems scummy to me. He's not responding to questioning well; he gives vague answers where he should give definite ones (like role-related ones).
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 07:46:57 pm
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On-Topic: NQT seems scummy to me. He's not responding to questioning well; he gives vague answers where he should give definite ones (like role-related ones).
Also on-topic: you all do realize something fundamental is being overlooked, right? Namely, the game title?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 07:48:38 pm
The reason I ask is because I'm convinced that items have something to do with the game. The fact that they were implemented suggests that they are either a red herring or an important part of the game, and you already gave your case about red herrings.
PPE:
Also on topic: What about the title, Makeinu?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 07:51:06 pm
Also on-topic: you all do realize something fundamental is being overlooked, right? Namely, the game title?
Do you mean the "love part" or the "End of the world" part?
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 07:55:19 pm
Also on-topic: you all do realize something fundamental is being overlooked, right? Namely, the game title?
Do you mean the "love part" or the "End of the world" part?
The game title is Smst W / Love. RaangerCado specifically mentioned love with regards to his role statement. I'll bet that's not the only reference.
Anything that's mentioned has significance.
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 08:37:34 pm
*sigh*Let me just skim the thought of 'flavor matters'. Try to announce what what happens to the one that is voted roleflips, and returns the next day.Okay, just to humour you:
Ranger Cado is hereby stripped of all their magic and expelled from the school on account of conspiring to bring about a meteor and generally being Evil. (Sorry Ranger, it's not personal. Just because I think you're a bad guy doesn't mean I think you're a bad guy.)
I meant something NOT CONNECTED TO A CONVENTIONAL LYNCH.
I ask you to humor me by giving something more LENIENT than that-an inability to vote in the morrow, and perhaps something like 'I know what you did last night' ; roleflip but able to play tomorrow.
Seriously, you're just saying the conventional lynch right there. >_>
Nice dodge.
Much humor.
I'm Sad. :(
Everyone Else You probably have an implicit wincon. I think Leafsnail's probably right that my goal is to see off the scum. That seems to be either the meteor summoners or the evil students or both. Maybe that's your goal too? I think we should hedge our bets and get rid of Ranger Cado (though Darkstar might not be a bad idea as he's going to give one us his vote blocking item tonight).
If "be normal" is explicitly stated, then you might have it.When i said I seriously doubt I have a wincon stated in exacts, I seriously doubt that I have a wincon stated. :I
I mean, it was written in a tone of 'You wish...' like 'You wish you were normal, but no. You're a darn mage.' in that sarcastic flailing voice.
And really. There is no goal stated, nothing done except me stating 'I have an ability.' Which...isn't even useful as an action and more of a passive type. :I
And in regard to that-I've no connection to anything 'Love' either! It doesn't state anything of my preferences, and judging by my role title-it gives a blank given that the role title is a profession in general. Or..y'know, nothing generally associated with 'love'.
TiruinWell you became president by all your monies! :I I don't think that symbolizes good, do you?Next: No you didn't mention her being rich at all beforehand.Darkstar revealed that I'd won the election through bribery (for which one generally needs to be fairly wealthy). It's not a significant detail.
(Partly jaded here because...well. Most of our darn government officials accused of graft and corruption were elected by spending TONS O' CASH in their campaign..and winning...and 'earning it back' through...obscure methods. PDAF? >_>)
And I couldn't find that in TDS' post, or really missed it.
Link, if you've got time?
Flavor poke. Note Theta (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4957906#msg4957906)
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Mr. Badict talked about lilacs sometimes. Were there lilacs in his safe location?>_> Mr. Badict seems like he has a same hideout in case of things like these.
I would LOVE to rant on stuffs like 'WHY ARE YOU PROHIBITING ME WITH A HALLPASS-THE WORLD'S SAFETY IS AT STAKE' but that'd just take up space. Anyway.
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MEPH ANSTERAS THE ROBOT JANITOR!This is silly and I love it.
..Yeah, doesn't look like flavor has a point in that post.
But
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Note: Of the 13 players, only 2 tried to take the gun! But, that wouldn't work, anyway!Interactive flavor. Seems like someone has a connection with the higher peeps here.
Hmm.
NQT seems shifty. :I
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(Extend Used) TiruinGoddamnit did I forget the personal extension rules. >__>
Bleh.
4mask
And to whoever asked if I am third party: without knowing my wincon, I have no idea. I was toying with the idea that everyone is third party.I doubt that given..
*checks*
My role.
Leafysail
Am I actually voting for myself in addition to NQT?Really? Then you're a creampuff of sanguine saccharine joy. Because that's how I was when I was a teenager.leafsnail/TDS: How are you Evil?I'm as evil as any other teenager.
Now I'm old.
Old.
I'd like some background detail there, classmate.
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I don't want to divulge role information unless we're having a general massclaim, and I'm not convinced a massclaim will be a good idea at all. webadict generally prepares scum countermeasures for day one massclaims....But you claimed evil. If we're to assume evil is scum, then woohoo, we have all 3! Problem:
Those 3 claimed evil. One of those claimed SUMMONAH!
Easiest way to fix: Lynch NQT. :I Unless-and my silly thought stated in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4957306;topicseen#msg4957306) has the scumwincon to get rid of NQT, as my silly guess.
It doesn't make much sense since I wasn't given a wincon, nor am I even sure if the lack of Ms. Class President does something but blargh. Flavor directly points to NQT having a say--and other than listen to what I've to propose-NQT goes off and just dictates the conventional lynch.
However, Leafsnail:
Problems:"Townie" has a generally understood win condition attached to it, though: eliminate all scum. In other words, you are the only player who knows their win condition. That is insanely suspicious because it implies you have far more information than any of the rest of us, and "informed minority" is basically the definition of scum.I can say that because that's what it says in my role PM. What it doesn't say is 'and you win when such and such a condition is met'.Does Anyone Actually Have A Wincon?I don't, but I'm pretty sure you do. You were calling yourself a Confirmed Townie earlier, right? How can you say that if you don't know your wincon?
Incidentally, in Bellsounder the bastard scum (me) was the only player who knew their win condition.
> Bellsounder was NOT a town-announced role (I know, I've been using that game as my bastard-book for all my games. :p Yeah you're my rolemodel.)
> Webadict announced NQT as 'good/Not Evil'. I would REALLY mark out the bastardness with that point; this is alleviated by certain subtleties:
- We don't know our wincon. We must IMPLY our wincon.
- Evil students claimed and I don't see anyone claiming Good - the only iteration of 'Good' is seen in the first flavor/game post; webadict's.
- Ms. NQT says she gained power because MONEY. Problem in that is that only an Evil student knew of it.
TDS: I request you to divulge all information regarding NQT's rise to power.
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 08:42:39 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 08:45:29 pm
Webadict: I look outside the classroom window. Do I see anything in the skies that pertain to heavenly doom? Like, meteor? Or any smoke trail?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 08:46:49 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 09:10:52 pm
Mastahcheese:To see if you'd respond. It worked amazingly well, I might add.ToasterThen why did you address me?
I have nothing to say to you.
I never said it wasn't relevant, I said, and I quote myself "...I had not thought of that." I underlined the important part of that. You'll notice it says "thought" which would imply, quite clearly, that it had not crossed my mind. If I thought it was irrelevant, I would have said that I found it irrelevant. It is quite relevant, obviously, but its relevance had yet to cross my mind at the time I wrote that.You don't think a gun on the desk right there where we can get it is relevant?...I had not thought of that.Well, the inquisitor is kill-happy, because he doesn't follow your frelling rules.I'd wager Dr. Nerjin's gun was not left here by accident.
I'm not actually sure as to what "lynching" will do in this game.
That's quite a jump to conclusion you have made, there.
But now it's irrelevant, now that it's gone.
If you'd be so kind as to read something of mine more recent, you'll find that I have taken the time to understand the case he made, and that I unvoted. I'm still getting used to this style of game and the whole "puzzle" concept that it has.Ok, I know pretty much nothing of bastard games, so I'm going to put that bit aside for now as this seems to be overcomplicating things way too much for me right now.
What I can see:
1. Way too much arguments over good/not-evil/evil/mafia/not-mafia/town/third party/people who want to eat our livers.
2. Leafsnail trying to openly murder a confirmed townie.
3. Webadict being totally useless, actually, counter productive in terms of explaining the game.
Those are the biggest things I see going on right now, so I'm voting Leafsnail for openly attempting to murder a confirmed townie/not-evil/good/person who doesn't want to eat my liver.
You vote really starts to stink when you say you're not going to take the time to understand the case he's making.
Leafsnail
Well, I thought I wasn't evil. My role doesn't say I am. In fact, it says I need to "hunt evil" which might mean that I win if evil is eliminated, but I can't say for sure for the rest of you.So, everyone claiming not evil other than webadict and Nerjin... what's up with you? I guess this must be a 12/13 year old class?Webadict: What percentage of teenagers are evil?Everyone knows all teenagers are evil.
notquitethere
Everyone Else You probably have an implicit wincon. I think Leafsnail's probably right that my goal is to see off the scum. That seems to be either the meteor summoners or the evil students or both. Maybe that's your goal too? I think we should hedge our bets and get rid of Ranger Cado (though Darkstar might not be a bad idea as he's going to give one us his vote blocking item tonight).My role says I hunt evil, so I'm assuming my hidden wincon is to eliminate the evil players, whether this includes the meteor summoners or not, I don't know.
TheDarkStar
Who should I give my item to tonight? I don't see it as all that useful, even if I give it to someone on purpose.Give it to someone who seems to have some sort of vote shenanigans, I say.
Ok, RangerCado, I really need you to answer me something.
Is the fact that you are evil your alignment?
Is the fact that you are a meteor summoner your alignment?
This is really important for me, I need to know whether these are alignments or roles.
Until I get that answer, I'm voting for Mastahcheese since my role tells me to hunt evil, and the teacher just said that all teenagers are evil, which must include myself, I can't fail in my duty.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 27, 2014, 09:13:49 pm
Post by: Hapah on January 27, 2014, 09:14:09 pm
Caz: Didn't see your post that you wouldn't be around, sorry about that!
It looks like a lot of the earlier parts of the thread have been invalidated by the more recent stuff, so forgive me if I don't comment on everything there (I did read it all, though!)
Quote from: Mak
So, alignment is a distraction, a red herring.I'm wondering if there is/are some player(s) that have to do something with/to the Evil characters to win. If so, they're probably grinning ear-to-ear right now. Possibly some that deal with gender (i.e. The Flirt), maybe some that need an item or items...there's a lot to work with here if you were looking to make alternate goals for some portion of the players. What I'm saying is that just because Evil might not be meaningful to you, I'd be amazed if it wasn't relevant to someone (i.e. The Inquisitor). PPE: See also mastahcheese's post, he has to Hunt Evil.
Quote from: Toaster
Everyone: Building on what Makeinu said above, if you see something that could be a wincon in your flavor, does it appear an item could solve it for you? If you have an item, does its description imply someone else in particular might want it?I've read my role PM three times over, and I can't pull any sort of goal out of it. I think it might be related to items, but if it is I won't know until I see it.
Quote from: LS
I don't want to divulge role information unless we're having a general massclaim, and I'm not convinced a massclaim will be a good idea at all. webadict generally prepares scum countermeasures for day one massclaims.Seconded.
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So, everyone claiming not evil other than webadict and Nerjin... what's up with you? I guess this must be a 12/13 year old class?I'll look into that and get back to you.
Yeah, well, my role mentions thwarted trulove, and having to do something before the meteor hits.Don't know what you have to do, or withholding what you need to do? Don't answer if you don't want to.
I'm starting to wonder if we're a mashup of unaligned parties whose only shared interest is getting some particular things done before we catch a meteor with our collective faces.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 09:18:14 pm
... You could kill people first then your self for maximum evil killing.I could counter-argue that killing in and of itself is pretty evil, and so therefore the act of killing would make you the evil I have to hunt!
Dear god, I didn't even think of that!
..Hey, wait. It only says I hunt evil, not defeat it...
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 09:20:42 pm
Everyone: Query. Do you have level intervals pertaining to your power?Quote from: LSSo, everyone claiming not evil other than webadict and Nerjin... what's up with you? I guess this must be a 12/13 year old class?I'll look into that and get back to you.
I do. I'm a level 1 Mage. :v
Post by: Toaster on January 27, 2014, 09:24:14 pm
Unvote Mastahcheese
... You could kill people first then your self for maximum evil killing.I could counter-argue that killing in and of itself is pretty evil, and so therefore the act of killing would make you the evil I have to hunt!
Dear god, I didn't even think of that!
..Hey, wait. It only says I hunt evil, not defeat it...
I take it you're the Inquisitor?
Hapah: Mass of unaligned parties may be right, like a less evil KWN:WE. If so, there's probably some combination of maximum winning potential. The only problem is there's no way to figure that out short of a massclaim. I'd like to hear from Ranger first.
Ranger: I forgot one question: If you do know the names of the other two summoners, do you have a chat?
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 09:27:04 pm
In flavor, that'd equal an interrogation or whatever.
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 09:33:11 pm
Something that I feel, NQT hasn't been all direct in addressing. If not a kingmaker, why not the flavor in direct question?
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 09:36:05 pm
No, I don't. That's an odd power.Everyone: Query. Do you have level intervals pertaining to your power?Quote from: LSSo, everyone claiming not evil other than webadict and Nerjin... what's up with you? I guess this must be a 12/13 year old class?I'll look into that and get back to you.
I do. I'm a level 1 Mage. :v
I take it you're the Inquisitor?It doesn't flat out say "You are the Inquisitor" but it's pretty darn close.
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 09:38:10 pm
Anyway, yeah. Given my role, I truly doubt that the names in the flavor pertain to actual role names, just names that are assumed to the role in question.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 09:41:43 pm
Wait, rid the night? What about the day? God dang it, I can't rid the night! I'm not a vigilante, for crying out loud! My hidden wincon is unwinnable! Webadict, you bastard mod!
Post by: Nerjin on January 27, 2014, 09:44:37 pm
Webadict, you bastard mod!
*The Intercom buzzes*
Attention students, using foul language is mean. I can't really stop you but I just wanted to chime in... That is all.
*The Intercom clicks off*
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 09:45:03 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 09:49:20 pm
Attention students, using foul language is mean. I can't really stop you but I just wanted to chime in... That is all.So I can't give people the finger, and I can't use foul language, is there anything I can do?
If you get them expelled, then they're not here at night. Ergo, you have rid the night.Hmm... that's a very good point.
So then, would any of the evil people care to leave so I may win?
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 09:51:44 pm
Though, as a counterpoint, those evil fellows didn't describe their background in detail, either..
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 09:54:05 pm
Would it be too much to solve why are some evil and why are some not evil?For your question, I will answer that after RangerCado gives me the answer to the question I gave him.
Though, as a counterpoint, those evil fellows didn't describe their background in detail, either..
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 09:56:08 pm
Would it be too much to solve why are some evil and why are some not evil?
Statistics. Bad parenting. Genetics.
DESTINY!!!
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 09:57:36 pm
Reading back. Argh.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 09:58:05 pm
Heh, my background actually mentions I have loving parents. Although it may be sarcastic, given the wording.Would it be too much to solve why are some evil and why are some not evil?
Statistics. Bad parenting. Genetics.
DESTINY!!!
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 10:04:00 pm
No, I mean it is complexedly insane that Cado, being a meteor summoner, would just claim outright. >_>
Potentially, why? All the OP said was we need to identify the meteor summoners, and Class President would lead a vote to decide what happens.
Post by: Tiruin on January 27, 2014, 10:08:07 pm
Counter proposal to a Cado lynch: We lynch NQT, she dictates what happens to her being majority-voted.
I mean, nobody defined a 'lynch' = KILL MWAHAHA.
The only instances of 'lynch = expulsion' are..when NQT suggested it (subtly :I use the searchengine "expel")
And our conventional notions revolving around the word, 'lynch'.
Hence why I'm really asking NQT to come out with it.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 10:26:48 pm
No, I mean it is complexedly insane that Cado, being a meteor summoner, would just claim outright. >_>
Potentially, why? All the OP said was we need to identify the meteor summoners, and Class President would lead a vote to decide what happens.
If we identify the summoners, do we force them to stop the meteor, or do they just die/get expelled shortly before everyone dies?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 10:33:07 pm
Though, as a counterpoint, those evil fellows didn't describe their background in detail, either.
As far as I can see, I'm considered evil simply for disliking NQT.
He won the election for class president because he bribed people, so I got mad. I don't like the world, so I'm happy with how things are. There is a conspicuous lack of me summoning a meteor, though; I just like that it is there.
Also, it mentions that my last prom date was literally a piece of pie. I'm not sure why.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 10:40:31 pm
Erm... What?Though, as a counterpoint, those evil fellows didn't describe their background in detail, either.
As far as I can see, I'm considered evil simply for disliking NQT.
He won the election for class president because he bribed people, so I got mad. I don't like the world, so I'm happy with how things are. There is a conspicuous lack of me summoning a meteor, though; I just like that it is there.
Also, it mentions that my last prom date was literally a piece of pie. I'm not sure why.[\b]
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 27, 2014, 10:41:39 pm
Erm... What?Though, as a counterpoint, those evil fellows didn't describe their background in detail, either.
As far as I can see, I'm considered evil simply for disliking NQT.
He won the election for class president because he bribed people, so I got mad. I don't like the world, so I'm happy with how things are. There is a conspicuous lack of me summoning a meteor, though; I just like that it is there.
Also, it mentions that my last prom date was literally a piece of pie. I'm not sure why.[\b]
That's what I thought too. It's probably just fluff, but odd nonetheless.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 10:45:33 pm
Counter proposal to a Cado lynch: We lynch NQT, she dictates what happens to her being majority-voted.That's... actually a pretty darn good point. If NQT decides what happens if they get lynched, then what happens?
NotQuiteThere, I have nothing against you, I actually honestly believe that you are not evil/good or whatever, but this is something I want to see how it turns out.
...Does someone have a piece of pie as an item?That's what I thought too. It's probably just fluff, but odd nonetheless.Also, it mentions that my last prom date was literally a piece of pie. I'm not sure why.[\b]Erm... What?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 10:47:46 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 11:00:49 pm
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A meteoroid is a small rocky or metallic body travelling through space. Meteoroids are significantly smaller than asteroids, and range in size from small grains to 1 meter-wide objects.[1][2][3][4] Most are fragments from comets or asteroids, while others are collision impact debris ejected from bodies such as the Moon or Mars.[5][6][7][8]
The visible streak of light from space debris is the result of heat as it enters a planet's atmosphere, and the trail of glowing particles that it sheds in its wake is called a meteor, or colloquially a "shooting star" or "falling star". A series of many meteors appearing seconds or minutes apart, and appearing to originate from the same fixed point in the sky, is called a meteor shower. Incoming objects larger than several meters (asteroids or comets) can explode in the air. If a meteoroid, comet or asteroid or a piece thereof withstands ablation from its atmospheric entry and impacts with the ground, then it is called a meteorite.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 11:02:10 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 11:05:21 pm
That's a meteoroid, not a meteor.
*sighs*
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The visible streak of light from space debris is the result of heat as it enters a planet's atmosphere, and the trail of glowing particles that it sheds in its wake is called a meteor, or colloquially a "shooting star" or "falling star".
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 11:06:09 pm
PPE: or beaten to the punch.
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 11:06:54 pm
Since it's not a meteor until it hits atmo.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 11:10:15 pm
MastahCheese, you may want to redact that before Makeinu or I goes all science up in your grill.It's Mafia, I can't redact it.
PPE: or beaten to the punch.
And it was just to troll him, anyway.
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 11:11:08 pm
MastahCheese, you may want to redact that before Makeinu or I goes all science up in your grill.It's Mafia, I can't redact it.
PPE: or beaten to the punch.
And it was just to troll him, anyway.
Don't make me get the acid and fire!! :P
Post by: mastahcheese on January 27, 2014, 11:14:56 pm
Don't make me get the acid and fire!! :PDo you kids have new slang for illegal substances, now? I've only heard of the acid, what is this "fire"? Crack cocaine?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 11:15:14 pm
So, technically, if a meteor has been summoned, one big enough to destroy the world, we're already dead!WE JUST BROKE THE GAME!!!
Since it's not a meteor until it hits atmo.
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 11:19:38 pm
Don't make me get the acid and fire!! :PDo you kids have new slang for illegal substances, now? I've only heard of the acid, what is this "fire"? Crack cocaine?
Really. And you're a student in a magic academy, and don't know how to kill a troll?
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 11:27:45 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 11:33:04 pm
Somebody's gonna come yell at us, because mafia is srs bsns...DMN RGHT T S, ND Y DRLD T.
Post by: makeinu on January 27, 2014, 11:38:31 pm
Somebody's gonna come yell at us, because mafia is srs bsns...DMN RGHT T S, ND Y DRLD T.
LOUD NOISES!!!
Post by: Hapah on January 27, 2014, 11:45:14 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2014, 11:47:49 pm
Post by: webadict on January 28, 2014, 12:29:20 am
Am I actually voting for myself in addition to NQT?No, I've just got poor eyesight.
Webadict: I look outside the classroom window. Do I see anything in the skies that pertain to heavenly doom? Like, meteor? Or any smoke trail?Well, besides the giant meteor that's covering the whole sky... No, not really.
Webadict: Is the current vote count up to date? If not, requesting vote count.Bah.
Everyone: Query. Do you have level intervals pertaining to your power?No, I'm maxed out on my Historomancy.
I do. I'm a level 1 Mage. :v
Just checked my role pm, I enjoy watching the sunrise. Also, Wuba apparently thinks that meteors are made of ice. That's COMETS, Webadict.What is a role pm? I never made any assumptions on the material composition of a meteor.
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4maskwolf -
Caz - Hapah,
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
Leafsnail - makeinu, 4maskwolf,
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy - RangerCado,
notquitethere - Leafsnail, Tiruin, mastahcheese,
RangerCado - notquitethere,
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
No Lynch -
Not Voting - Caz, HissihnWalnuts, MyOwnWorstEnemy, TheDarkStar, Toaster,
7 To Hammer. Day Ends Wednesday 9 PM Central.
LurkerTracker sucks, apparently. Never put your trust in a machine, amirite? My poor eyes can't take this!
Post by: Silthuri on January 28, 2014, 12:54:52 am
Everyone: Building on what Makeinu said above, if you see something that could be a wincon in your flavor, does it appear an item could solve it for you? If you have an item, does its description imply someone else in particular might want it?I have an item which appears perfectly suited for me and seems to be utterly useless to everyone else. I seem to have a desire, but it's not related to anyone else and I highly doubt this is my wincon.
Everyone: Query. Do you have level intervals pertaining to your power?I have no level. I am just me.
I do. I'm a level 1 Mage. :v
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 04:36:42 am
I'm not sure we should pay attention to what seems likely to an avowedly evil player when most of the other players are decidedly not evil.Everyone Else You probably have an implicit wincon. I think Leafsnail's probably right that my goal is to see off the scum. That seems to be either the meteor summoners or the evil students or both.Or literally every player who isn't you. That seems most likely to me.
What makes you think I have an infinite vote ability? Your delusions multiply!Maybe that's your goal too? I think we should hedge our bets and get rid of Ranger Cado (though Darkstar might not be a bad idea as he's going to give one us his vote blocking item tonight).By "one of us" you mean "me, the bastard scum with an infinity vote ability" right?
Anyway, NQT, you're clearly contradicting yourself. Earlier you were saying that you were absolutely confirmed town to everybody and that I was clearly scum for questioning that. Now you're saying you aren't even completely sure that you are town.Sorry what? When did I say I wasn't sure I'm not town? I was told I was town but I wasn't given an explicit win condition. That's what I said and I haven't contradicted myself.
Darkstar
On-Topic: NQT seems scummy to me. He's not responding to questioning well; he gives vague answers where he should give definite ones (like role-related ones).What are you on about? Point out where this is the case. I've told all of you literally everything about my role. What more would you like me to say?
Tiruin
I meant something NOT CONNECTED TO A CONVENTIONAL LYNCH.Well that was hardly clear Tiruin. I just thought you didn't want him killed. You do know that 'lynch' means 'to murder someone by hanging them from the neck': I distinctly did not say anything like that. Why do you even think I have power over people's fates anyway? I'm just another player, albeit one that is confirmed Not Evil. That's all.
I ask you to humor me by giving something more LENIENT than that-an inability to vote in the morrow, and perhaps something like 'I know what you did last night' ; roleflip but able to play tomorrow.
Seriously, you're just saying the conventional lynch right there. >_>
Well you became president by all your monies! :I I don't think that symbolizes good, do you?Well, regardless of the dubiousness of my character in the setting description, I'm definitely Not Evil. Also: here's the link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4955675#msg4955675).
(Partly jaded here because...well. Most of our darn government officials accused of graft and corruption were elected by spending TONS O' CASH in their campaign..and winning...and 'earning it back' through...obscure methods. PDAF? >_>)
And I couldn't find that in TDS' post, or really missed it.
NQT: I want-no, I need you to mandate what happens in the lynch, to be non-congruent to a regular lynch. Make a roleflip + Evil/NotEvil/Good flip + role title flip... we massvote RangerCado as a test.Okay how's this:
In flavor, that'd equal an interrogation or whatever.
When RangerCado is voted for, he will be given a slice of cake and his alignment, gender, role title and abilities will be revealed but otherwise he will be unharmed.
Obviously this can only hope to work if you actually vote him as well.
Cheese
That's... actually a pretty darn good point. If NQT decides what happens if they get lynched, then what happens?You're not behaving rationally or in accordance with your goals here. Your goal is to hunt down Evil. Wuba earlier, with his 23% comment, confirmed there were just three evil players: we know that they're Ranger, Darkstar and Leafsnail. See sense man!
NotQuiteThere, I have nothing against you, I actually honestly believe that you are not evil/good or whatever, but this is something I want to see how it turns out.
Caz, HissihnWalnuts, MyOwnWorstEnemy, Toaster, could you please use your votes before the end of the day? Preferably on one of the people that has openly declared themselves to be Evil.
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 04:57:22 am
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Well that was hardly clear Tiruin. I just thought you didn't want him killed. You do know that 'lynch' means 'to murder someone by hanging them from the neck': I distinctly did not say anything like that. Why do you even think I have power over people's fates anyway? I'm just another player, albeit one that is confirmed Not Evil. That's all.I inferred it from the starting post. You made the decision, I'm just testing out whether flavor truly depicts what we're getting.
...
Also I suspect you for feeling really evasive. :I
Fish.Webadict: I look outside the classroom window. Do I see anything in the skies that pertain to heavenly doom? Like, meteor? Or any smoke trail?Well, besides the giant meteor that's covering the whole sky... No, not really.
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 06:11:39 am
I inferred it from the starting post. You made the decision, I'm just testing out whether flavor truly depicts what we're getting.What am I evading? I've told you all everything about my role. Also, you need to vote for Ranger for your test to work. I'm not depicting my own lynch.
...
Also I suspect you for feeling really evasive. :I
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 06:46:12 am
But maybe it was a miscommunication?
Post by: Caz on January 28, 2014, 07:42:02 am
READING 30 PAGES IS KIND OF HARD
why do you guys talk so much ffffffsssssssss and iron diadem has started oh god why am i so busy
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 08:44:11 am
Report back soon-ish. :3
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 08:45:59 am
That was before you answered it. >__>I think there's definitely some miscommunication going on here. Why aren't you voting Ranger Cado like you said you were going to? You've said that you want to test whether I can influence the flavour. I'm telling you that I'm absolutely not taking part in your test if you vote for me.
But maybe it was a miscommunication?
Caz
Most important thing, that everyone else has answered: Are you evil? Do you have a wincon? Did you summon the meteor?
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 08:48:47 am
*reads*
...
*shakes fist at net*
RangerCado.
Also, I think its 3 to hammer, now?
Post by: Toaster on January 28, 2014, 08:50:05 am
I was told I was town
Really? The word "town" was used? That explicit four letter word?
Caz, HissihnWalnuts, MyOwnWorstEnemy, Toaster, could you please use your votes before the end of the day? Preferably on one of the people that has openly declared themselves to be Evil.
I plan to. Voting Ranger right now is not the best option, especially before he has a chance to answer my questions. You should probably let him answer too.
PPE: There's another.
Everyone voting Ranger: Chill out and let him talk.
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 08:53:24 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 08:57:38 am
Really? The word "town" was used? That explicit four letter word?Actually, 'townie', but it amounts to the same thing.
Post by: Caz on January 28, 2014, 09:02:20 am
Caz
Most important thing, that everyone else has answered: Are you evil? Do you have a wincon? Did you summon the meteor?
I'm a lovable scamp. I don't think anyone gave me an alignment. I have a gender, but not sure why. O_o And a portable hole thing that does "something".
Post by: Caz on January 28, 2014, 09:03:17 am
(Still reading, on page 8 or something now, once I get it all done I'll be able to make some kind of hopefully useful post)
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 09:04:59 am
ToasterExpound in full please. Just 'townie' or...what?Really? The word "town" was used? That explicit four letter word?Actually, 'townie', but it amounts to the same thing.
Who claimed to be evil?TDS, Leafsnail, R.Cado
(Still reading, on page 8 or something now, once I get it all done I'll be able to make some kind of hopefully useful post)
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 09:12:50 am
I'm a lovable scamp. I don't think anyone gave me an alignment. I have a gender, but not sure why. O_o And a portable hole thing that does "something".You may be a lovable scamp, but did you also summon the meteor?
Tiruin
Expound in full please. Just 'townie' or...what?I'm not going to go so far as directly quote the mod but my role ability, as described in the PM, is that I am confirmed as a townie from the beginning of the game.
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 09:26:06 am
...
...
Either this game is all sorts of classroom shenanigans, or your note of being darn rich + passive ability gives..that note of townieness.
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my role ability, as described in the PM, is that I am confirmed as a townie from the beginning of the game.SO.
What is a townie, in this context?
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 09:43:20 am
...But you said your role ability is a passive thing.It is. I didn't have to do anything active to be confirmed town.
SO.We'll probably find out more as the game goes on. Voting out the meteor summoners seems like a good first step.
What is a townie, in this context?
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 10:03:01 am
Why redirect to general information when you already have what 'townie' is?
Post by: Toaster on January 28, 2014, 10:08:41 am
ToasterReally? The word "town" was used? That explicit four letter word?Actually, 'townie', but it amounts to the same thing.
You do realize that this is the only claimed mention of town/townie anywhere in the game setup, right? You don't see how that could be viewed as unusual?
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 10:29:24 am
Why redirect to general information when you already have what 'townie' is?Do you mean by 'redirect to general information' that I refer to Evil and Not Evil? Although I was called a townie in my PM, I haven't been told exactly what that means in this game.
Toaster
You do realize that this is the only claimed mention of town/townie anywhere in the game setup, right? You don't see how that could be viewed as unusual?My theory is that Wuba and Nerjin meant to be consistent with the 'Good/Evil' terminology but slipped up here and are now dedicated to sowing confusion through their unending opaqueness.
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 10:34:04 am
ToasterOr, you've slipped and fall back on blaming the mod.You do realize that this is the only claimed mention of town/townie anywhere in the game setup, right? You don't see how that could be viewed as unusual?My theory is that Wuba and Nerjin meant to be consistent with the 'Good/Evil' terminology but slipped up here and are now dedicated to sowing confusion through their unending opaqueness.
Two cents: They've told us what not to expect, instead, and have been honest thus far--though we are still unsure if they are players or really responding to general concerns.
TiruinI mean you keep on pointing at everything else other than try to explain yourself. I;ve had that feeling about you and its still there.Why redirect to general information when you already have what 'townie' is?Do you mean by 'redirect to general information' that I refer to Evil and Not Evil? Although I was called a townie in my PM, I haven't been told exactly what that means in this game.
Look, semantics.
Problem: You know about this ahead. Already.SO.We'll probably find out more as the game goes on. Voting out the meteor summoners seems like a good first step.
What is a townie, in this context?
Then you blame the mod?
>_>
Did you bother asking?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 10:47:18 am
Every student: do any of you, looking over your role pm's, get the impression that you have another ability that isn't mentioned explicitly?
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 10:56:25 am
Or, you've slipped and fall back on blaming the mod.I respect Wuba and Nerjin as people but I don't think they're infallible. What slip have I made? I've been 100% honest and above board with everyone.
I mean you keep on pointing at everything else other than try to explain yourself. I've had that feeling about you and its still there.What do you mean by 'explain yourself'? I have told everyone exactly what my role is and everything I know or have been able to deduce about the game. What else would you like me to explain?
Problem: You know about this ahead. Already.Like I said earlier to Toaster, I did try asking Wuba and Nerjin privately about my town win condition but Wuba feigned ignorance.
Then you blame the mod?
>_>
Did you bother asking?
Wolf
Every student: do any of you, looking over your role pm's, get the impression that you have another ability that isn't mentioned explicitly?Not really. It wouldn't be impossible, but I don't get that impression.
Post by: makeinu on January 28, 2014, 10:59:48 am
Sorry to derail the question NQT train, but:
Every student: do any of you, looking over your role pm's, get the impression that you have another ability that isn't mentioned explicitly?
No, I get the impression that I have no other implied ability beyond what's stated explicitly.
Post by: Hapah on January 28, 2014, 11:13:53 am
Sorry to derail the question NQT train, but:Not really, no.
Every student: do any of you, looking over your role pm's, get the impression that you have another ability that isn't mentioned explicitly?
Post by: Toaster on January 28, 2014, 11:26:21 am
Problem: You know about this ahead. Already.Like I said earlier to Toaster, I did try asking Wuba and Nerjin privately about my town win condition but Wuba feigned ignorance.
Then you blame the mod?
>_>
Did you bother asking?
See, this I have a problem with. I had an odd wording in my PM that I asked about, and I got an actual straight answer in the order of "oops that was a mistake." I think if it actually says town/townie/anything of that variety, it's intentional and relevant.
Plus, if it says you'd be a confirmed TOWNIE, that didn't happen. You got confirmed NOT EVIL.
4mask:
Every student: do any of you, looking over your role pm's, get the impression that you have another ability that isn't mentioned explicitly?
*looks again*
Hmmm... no.
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 11:36:44 am
All fine points and I'm equally perplexed. I've raised the issue with Wuba and Nerjin... we await their response.
Post by: Silthuri on January 28, 2014, 12:04:36 pm
Caz, HissihnWalnuts, MyOwnWorstEnemy, Toaster, could you please use your votes before the end of the day? Preferably on one of the people that has openly declared themselves to be Evil.I plan on using my vote. I just want to figure out who I think it's best to vote for. As for right now, I have no clue. I'm wondering if lynching the summoners is what we have to do. Maybe we need to keep them around in order to make them work the counter spell or something. Maybe there's a certain thing we have to do to force them to. Maybe we're not lynching them, but forcing them to agree to destroy the meteor. I don't know.
Sorry to derail the question NQT train, but:
Every student: do any of you, looking over your role pm's, get the impression that you have another ability that isn't mentioned explicitly?
No. Not that I can tell.
Webadict: Are only 23% of us evil?
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 12:16:32 pm
I plan on using my vote. I just want to figure out who I think it's best to vote for. As for right now, I have no clue. I'm wondering if lynching the summoners is what we have to do. Maybe we need to keep them around in order to make them work the counter spell or something. Maybe there's a certain thing we have to do to force them to. Maybe we're not lynching them, but forcing them to agree to destroy the meteor. I don't know.Your uncertainty is understandable, but I really doubt that we're going to get any closer to an answer before we see the results of the first day and night, unless anyone plans to claim something. Do you have any secret insight on these matters?
Post by: Caz on January 28, 2014, 01:58:49 pm
You may be a lovable scamp, but did you also summon the meteor?
As far as I know, nope. But that would be hilarious.
Still reading. Halfway there.
Post by: Caz on January 28, 2014, 02:53:19 pm
Caz, HissihnWalnuts, MyOwnWorstEnemy, Toaster, could you please use your votes before the end of the day? Preferably on one of the people that has openly declared themselves to be Evil.
Notquitethere
DOWN WITH SOCIETY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(I read everything. I know less of what is going on now than when I started.)
Who wants a portable hole?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 04:40:22 pm
Sorry to derail the question NQT train, but:
Every student: do any of you, looking over your role pm's, get the impression that you have another ability that isn't mentioned explicitly?
Nope; however, I assume that I would be happy if I had a piece of pie.
Who wants a portable hole?
I'll take it. It's better than a staff that doesn't let you vote.
Post by: makeinu on January 28, 2014, 05:27:42 pm
Notquitethere
DOWN WITH SOCIETY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I found the Teenage Rebel Without a Clue!
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(I read everything. I know less of what is going on now than when I started.)
I think this game is, like high school, a knowledge vacuum.
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Who wants a portable hole?
Man, this just keeps cropping up Beatle's jokes!
Did you find it in your pocket?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 28, 2014, 05:32:36 pm
Though if I absolutely HAVE to break the vote I will go with notquitethere.
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 05:49:36 pm
I can't fathom how a passive ability = confirmed townie.I mean you keep on pointing at everything else other than try to explain yourself. I've had that feeling about you and its still there.What do you mean by 'explain yourself'? I have told everyone exactly what my role is and everything I know or have been able to deduce about the game. What else would you like me to explain?
You're the only person, ever, who got the word townie.
Post by: makeinu on January 28, 2014, 06:16:58 pm
I can't fathom how a passive ability = confirmed townie.I mean you keep on pointing at everything else other than try to explain yourself. I've had that feeling about you and its still there.What do you mean by 'explain yourself'? I have told everyone exactly what my role is and everything I know or have been able to deduce about the game. What else would you like me to explain?
You're the only person, ever, who got the word townie.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Innocent_Child)
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Innocent Child
An Innocent Child is a player who is mod-confirmed as Town-aligned at the start of the game.
Passive goddamn ability that == confirmed town.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 28, 2014, 06:20:07 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 28, 2014, 06:22:43 pm
I can't fathom how a passive ability = confirmed townie.I'm just honestly reporting what my role is. You'll soon find out I'm telling the truth if you let these idiots lynch me.
You're the only person, ever, who got the word townie.
Caz
I believe you have a rational mind. Please tell me how exactly lynching me will further your objectives? Apparently, you're not evil and you didn't summon the meteor, why not help rid the class of one person who claims both?
Walnuts
There is no rush: Tiruin extended the Day until Wednesday, we've got plenty of time yet to make a considered decision. How about you put your vote against someone who's alignment actually opposes your own, rather than stabbing a friend in the back, eh? Ranger, Darkstar and Leafsnail admit to being Evil. Do you want to help evil? Ranger himself claims to have taken part in the meteor summoning. Voting for me is tantamount to admitting that you helped summon the meteor.
makeinu, I'm happy for either Ranger or Leafsnail (or even Darkstar) to be lynched today. Any reason overall that you're set on Leafsnail?
Post by: mastahcheese on January 28, 2014, 06:30:38 pm
Every student: do any of you, looking over your role pm's, get the impression that you have another ability that isn't mentioned explicitly?I don't think so.
I'm going to unvote for now to avoid a hammer.
I'll have more to say after Cado answers me.
Post by: makeinu on January 28, 2014, 06:33:42 pm
makeinu, I'm happy for either Ranger or Leafsnail (or even Darkstar) to be lynched today. Any reason overall that you're set on Leafsnail?
Heh. Normally, I'd jump on TDS because he basically always looks scummy every game, but a) I'm not gonna meta-kill him, ii) if I were to take that approach, I'd have to remember to consider the fact that both games we've played together so far, he actually was scum, c) he's actually not coming across scummy this time, which is just weird, and four) some other reason I've forgotten as I as typing.
My vote landed on Leafsnail because, well, he is trying to murder the only confirmed townie, and I haven't seen reason to move it yet.
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 06:34:27 pm
Post by: Caz on January 28, 2014, 06:49:29 pm
Caz
I believe you have a rational mind. Please tell me how exactly lynching me will further your objectives? Apparently, you're not evil and you didn't summon the meteor, why not help rid the class of one person who claims both?
You're the class rep, dude. Everyone knows that's super uncool. Therefore DETENTION!
Has it been confirmed yet what happens to the lynchee? I heard something about a slice of cake. I would like some of that cake before the world blows up.
The flavour is pretty unclear, but I guess we should be trying to lynch "Evil" people because Occam's razor and not much other current info. I do wonder why three evil people have claimed such. If they're colluding maf, why the hell would they admit it? That just doesn't make sense to me, as if they want to be lynched for some reason, maybe a part of their dark plan.
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 06:52:58 pm
TiruinI'm just pressurizing you, NQT. I didn't like that evasive feel. But I was also unsure on what that feeling truly was. I also am unsure if this is a subtle appeal to..stuff. >_>I can't fathom how a passive ability = confirmed townie.I'm just honestly reporting what my role is. You'll soon find out I'm telling the truth if you let these idiots lynch me.
You're the only person, ever, who got the word townie.
PFP
*Sigh* Procrastination is a terrible thing. I'm going to request replacement unless its obvious i'm going to die. Quote any questions you have for me and i'll answer them but... I'm just not in the mind set to play. Sorry guys.NOOOOO Dx
:'(
:-\
o/
The only not I take is the subtle flavor..Caz
I believe you have a rational mind. Please tell me how exactly lynching me will further your objectives? Apparently, you're not evil and you didn't summon the meteor, why not help rid the class of one person who claims both?
You're the class rep, dude. Everyone knows that's super uncool. Therefore DETENTION!
Has it been confirmed yet what happens to the lynchee? I heard something about a slice of cake. I would like some of that cake before the world blows up.
The flavour is pretty unclear, but I guess we should be trying to lynch "Evil" people because Occam's razor and not much other current info. I do wonder why three evil people have claimed such. If they're colluding maf, why the hell would they admit it? That just doesn't make sense to me, as if they want to be lynched for some reason, maybe a part of their dark plan.
...who got president due to stinkin' moneybags? Looking at TDS' background, he's evil because he doesn't like that and knows how NQT got there.I can't fathom how a passive ability = confirmed townie.I mean you keep on pointing at everything else other than try to explain yourself. I've had that feeling about you and its still there.What do you mean by 'explain yourself'? I have told everyone exactly what my role is and everything I know or have been able to deduce about the game. What else would you like me to explain?
You're the only person, ever, who got the word townie.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Innocent_Child)QuoteInnocent Child
An Innocent Child is a player who is mod-confirmed as Town-aligned at the start of the game.
Passive goddamn ability that == confirmed town.
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 06:58:30 pm
On another note, I believe I'm the...class nerd due to those stuffs about my role. (level intervals...stuffs like that?) though I have no darn idea what warmnumnum.exe is or anything the nerd said in-flavor.Notquitethere
DOWN WITH SOCIETY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I found the Teenage Rebel Without a Clue!Quote(I read everything. I know less of what is going on now than when I started.)
I think this game is, like high school, a knowledge vacuum.
I don't like that label, by the way. Bluh.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 07:03:26 pm
warnnumnum.exe is a computer science joke: as you mentioned earlier, warmnumnum indeed refers to food. The joke is rather lame, imho, but a .exe file is an executable program file, so theoretically a computer that was missing that file would return an error such as that if it was required to be initiated by another file, with the joke being that it is effectively called food.exe.On another note, I believe I'm the...class nerd due to those stuffs about my role. (level intervals...stuffs like that?) though I have no darn idea what warmnumnum.exe is or anything the nerd said in-flavor.Notquitethere
DOWN WITH SOCIETY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I found the Teenage Rebel Without a Clue!Quote(I read everything. I know less of what is going on now than when I started.)
I think this game is, like high school, a knowledge vacuum.
I don't like that label, by the way. Bluh.
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 07:09:31 pm
Programmers. :I
*shakes fist*
Anyway, I really do think that 'lynching'//majority voting (this term sounds better than 'lynch' unless we can prove that NQT doesn't have direct relation to the flavor given what I pointed out at page5) Cado seems like the best idea. The fear of scum wincon being :DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENT is silly, still silly here, but..it just doesn't jive
I mean, TDS has the background of hating her because of how she rose to power. LS..I forgot and Cado..I can't find for some reason (or really missed it).
..
Compared to some people who roasted a student alive, are these..Not Evil/Evil terms the terms given by the Class President? It would make sense for him to be an Innocent Child (woo, first time I saw that), but it would also make sense in that context.
LS/RangerCado: Could you gives give your background//notes if you have a group chat? I seem to miss them in my notes.
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 07:16:55 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 07:31:35 pm
Webadict: RangerCado, would you like to go out as..friends? You sound lonely and I don't like that.
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 07:38:08 pm
((...of note, even when i'm NOT picking my gender I still get made female... my life is weird))
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 07:41:48 pm
I'm fully ok with this.
Post by: makeinu on January 28, 2014, 07:57:26 pm
I don't have a group chat with the other evils or with the other meteor summoners, and in fact have no idea who they are.
I don't believe this, especially the last part. The OP states that it takes three to perform the summoning ritual. You'd have us believe that three did the ritual without knowing each other? I don't buy it.
Also, why does everyone keep skipping over the whole motivation part? The "love" in the game title? And why are we avoiding discussing assigned genders?
I'm male, according to my role statement, and a poet. Not a flirt. A stupid love-struck poet who just wants to find his soulmate before the meteor hits. String implication therein that the meteor can't be stopped.
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 07:59:25 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 08:05:17 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 28, 2014, 08:10:30 pm
1: Yes I was told i'm Evil.
2: No I do not have a wincon.
3: I did take part in summoning the meteor, though it was out of a hate for not finding love. Also, my meteor item was just stolen so... yeah.Do you know who else did? Who are they? Is NQT in that list?
Can you (or anyone) unsummon the meteor? What does the item do?
Was your item stolen during the day or before the game started?
Walnuts:
... I'm confused on who exactly is the best to vote for because I've seen plenty of speculation for a large amount of ways this is working.
Though if I absolutely HAVE to break the vote I will go with notquitethere.
If you break a tie late in the day, you need to explain why you're breaking it in the direction you chose. Otherwise, you look incredibly scummy.
Tiruin:
Programmers. :I
They're awesome!
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 08:16:57 pm
Web: I may stay in come Day 2. All depends on what happens over the next couple days for me.
Post by: makeinu on January 28, 2014, 08:18:25 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 08:25:02 pm
TDS: care to answer the charge that you stole RC's item?
I suspected him (as I have stated) and I wanted to make sure that he didn't have a dangerous item tonight in case the meteor summoners are the scum. I lost the gamble and got a worse-than-useless item.
If you couldn't tell, that's my one ability: stealing one item per day (and I can't have more than one at once).
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 08:32:53 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 08:37:57 pm
Funny thing. I do believe Cado's telling the truth--He's outing himself. Read: Outing himself with that context. Yeah, we can guess meteor summoner or not (unless there is no roleflip and its just a name+alignment flip wherein I guess there's the bastardplay) BUT he claimed and the only deviant note to that is the quote above.I don't have a group chat with the other evils or with the other meteor summoners, and in fact have no idea who they are.
I don't believe this, especially the last part. The OP states that it takes three to perform the summoning ritual. You'd have us believe that three did the ritual without knowing each other? I don't buy it.
>_>
Could the wincons of some people be finding love before the meteor hits?Oh I wish it would, because I have no clue what my flippin' wincon is even if I'd guess it'd belosing mah powahs (which I sincerely doubt as this thing also works as a passive :V)
Tiruin:I know, right? My best friend is a programmer! *waves at Skyrunner*Programmers. :I
They're awesome!
Dear gods. I'd be already discarding my assumptions but..ngh.TDS: care to answer the charge that you stole RC's item?
I suspected him (as I have stated) and I wanted to make sure that he didn't have a dangerous item tonight in case the meteor summoners are the scum. I lost the gamble and got a worse-than-useless item.
If you couldn't tell, that's my one ability: stealing one item per day (and I can't have more than one at once).
While, yeah, the probable primary fix to this is LYNCH EM AND FIND OUT, my theories on the Evil-scale are as follows:
> Perspective of Ms. President-Innocent Child on those people. (Compare to 4mask's...accident[?] claim wherein he roasted a person. I mean, really.)
> Such terms are based on our abilities instead.
> It's a moral viewpoint (LS' note, however the judgement persists on Town's side = them as good, in the generality and scum as bad, opposed to the majority)
...
Leafsnail~ I'd like to hear more from you now about all this.
Interesting. So items do have powers related to them....What'd you think items did or their characteristics are?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 09:07:37 pm
Post by: webadict on January 28, 2014, 09:08:43 pm
Webadict: Are only 23% of us evil?What? Everyone knows all teenagers are evil.
Web:[/b] I may stay in come Day 2. All depends on what happens over the next couple days for me.Alright.
notquitethere would like me to reiterate that she started the game as Not Evil.
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz - Hapah,
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
Leafsnail - makeinu, 4maskwolf,
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy - RangerCado,
notquitethere - Leafsnail, Caz, HissihnWalnuts,
RangerCado - notquitethere, Tiruin,
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
No Lynch -
Not Voting - MyOwnWorstEnemy, TheDarkStar, Toaster, mastahcheese,
7 To Hammer. Day Ends Wednesday 9 PM Central.
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 09:12:03 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 09:16:06 pm
Also, the "all teenagers are evil thing" could mean that the ages are either 17-18 or 19-20, depending on the definition. It could also mean that except for NQT (and possiby one or two more), we are all evil, but no one except me and the other two so far want to admit it.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 09:22:59 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 09:24:18 pm
TDS: While I can't burn people, I can burn items. So I may just nuke that tonight. To get it out of the way.But you said you burned a student before! x__x
Mhhgghhh why all the contradiction from people.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 09:25:52 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 09:32:45 pm
Why is it specified that NQT started at Not Evil? Does this mean that alignment changes are possible?We're assuming she rose to power via election. Now if this thing is vote-election or somewhat tied to MONEYANDBRIBERY (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4946894#msg4946894) I have no idea.
Also, the "all teenagers are evil thing" could mean that the ages are either 17-18 or 19-20, depending on the definition. It could also mean that except for NQT (and possiby one or two more), we are all evil, but no one except me and the other two so far want to admit it.
4mask
I did. Then a hex was placed on me to prevent that. I believe that was also mentioned, along with the fact that I don't have an NK.I missed you saying that. Could you link it?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 09:39:33 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 09:41:49 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 28, 2014, 09:44:50 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 09:46:24 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 28, 2014, 09:58:05 pm
I literally didn't even know items existed in this game until Web stated what they were!
And, if it matters, it says my character is 15, so I'm an evil teen, apparently.
RangerCado: If you could please answer my very vital question, is the fact that you are evil an alignment, or a role? Also, is the fact that you are a meteor summoner an alignment or a role?
I need to know.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 28, 2014, 10:01:16 pm
The reason I ask is because I'm convinced that items have something to do with the game. The fact that they were implemented suggests that they are either a red herring or an important part of the game, and you already gave your case about red herrings.I don't see any possible way that "learn who has items" could solve any kind of puzzle though, and I can think of a way that it could benefit scum.
Problems:...Yeah. I'm not saying this game is literally identical to Bellsounder, that would be stupid. I'm making the comparison: if one player in a game knows their actual win condition (NQT), that player is virtually always going to be scum. Because if you don't know your win condition then you don't really have enough information to play as scum.
> Bellsounder was NOT a town-announced role (I know, I've been using that game as my bastard-book for all my games. :p Yeah you're my rolemodel.)
> Webadict announced NQT as 'good/Not Evil'. I would REALLY mark out the bastardness with that point; this is alleviated by certain subtleties:Exactly, NQT is the only "good" player. Therefore it may be that all the rest of us are bad people from NQT's perspective, who he wants to eliminate. The funny thing is that if you look at it objectively NQT is far more suspicious than a claimed evil player (claims to know his wincon, the moderator was trying to trick us into thinking he was a confirmed townie, his behaviour with regards to claiming to be a confirmed townie is highly suspect, he is the only person with his alignment) but the emotional resonance that comes with the word "evil" seems to be confusing everyone.
- We don't know our wincon. We must IMPLY our wincon.
- Evil students claimed and I don't see anyone claiming Good - the only iteration of 'Good' is seen in the first flavor/game post; webadict's.
- Ms. NQT says she gained power because MONEY. Problem in that is that only an Evil student knew of it.
Or literally every player who isn't you. That seems most likely to me.I'm not sure we should pay attention to what seems likely to an avowedly evil player when most of the other players are decidedly not evil.[/quote]
Do you have some form of Dissociative Identity Disorder? The way you're swinging back and forth between "Well I don't have a wincon and I'm confused what we're meant to do in the game" and "KNEEL BEFORE MY ALMIGHTY CONFIRMED TOWNINESS YOU SCUM" is really odd.
Incidentally, there are two claimed evil players other than me. There are zero claimed "townie" players other than you. What do you call a player when they're the only one of their alignment and vastly more knowledgable than everyone else?
What makes you think I have an infinite vote ability? Your delusions multiply!Because you seem to care about TDS's item. And also it would fit your role.
Sorry what? When did I say I wasn't sure I'm not town? I was told I was town but I wasn't given an explicit win condition. That's what I said and I haven't contradicted myself.Reading back you're right that you didn't directly contradict yourself, but your behaviour makes no sense and that's what confused me. Everyone should probably read this actually.
#305 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4953746#msg4953746): NQT calls himself confirmed "good and not evil", and suggests that makes him a confirmed non-meteor summoner. Note he doesn't mention the word "townie" here at all.
#337 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4954591#msg4954591): NQT starts to panic, goes on the offence, and starts calling himself a "confirmed townie" instead. This is weird - why didn't he do that the first time around? Also note his tone is really different here even though I hadn't even responded to his previous post.
#342 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4954774#msg4954774): NQT realizes his slip and now claims that his role PM also told him he was town. I would like to point out that this makes absolutely no sense. If NQT is actually explicitly called "town", and his role is "confirmed townie", then why doesn't the game start post call him town? NQT is clearly talking out of his ass. Also note here that he makes no mention of his lack of win condition - anyone reading this post would assume that he has a standard townie one, or possibly even an explicit "kill all evil players" one.
#349 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4955132#msg4955132): NQT now expressed confusion about the game and his goal, even though he was absolutely 100% secure in his assertion that he was a confirmed townie in his previous post. I don't think someone without a win condition could assert their position so confidently in his previous two posts.
#361 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4955329#msg4955329): NQT expresses his frustration at how vague the game is and votes for a moderator.
He has a few more posts, in which he continues to take the "the moderators are being vague, maybe evil =/= scum" line.
In #349 you take a questioning tone and ask whether there's really any point to the game, wondering how you can play if nobody knows their win conditions and suggesting there's no real reason to think meteor summoners are bad. Then later you switch to "actually evil players are totally bad".
#438 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4958280#msg4958280): For no apparent reason (and apparently without comment on his previous moderator theory) NQT changes tack: it's probably the evil players. He agrees with me (an evil player) in doing so for some reason??
#505 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4959425#msg4959425): Now the evil players are so obviously scum that their opinions don't matter.
LS/RangerCado: Could you gives give your background//notes if you have a group chat? I seem to miss them in my notes.I wasn't told about any other evil players. The sheer lack of knowledge that I had is what made me doubt I was scum in the first place.
Leafsnail~ I'd like to hear more from you now about all this.On what, exactly? I have a case on NQT above if that's what you want. I think the most logical position at this point is that NQT is Good/Town, in the generally accepted sense of the word, but the rest of us are not, and therefore he is scum from our perspective. If exactly one person in a bastard mod has a particular alignment and the mod is clearly trying to perform a trick related to them they are the most suspicious.
I kindof like the "our aim is to find love" theory too, maybe a flavourclaim is in order.
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 10:06:34 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 10:11:04 pm
TDS: While I can't burn people, I can burn items. So I may just nuke that tonight. To get it out of the way.
I'll make sure to give it to you tonight.
I kindof like the "our aim is to find love" theory too, maybe a flavourclaim is in order.
Should we do a gender claim? We'll wait on a roleclaim in case that helps scum, but I don't see how a gender claim would help them; it might help us win instead.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 28, 2014, 10:12:47 pm
maybe a flavourclaim is in order.I'll go with this.
Heck, amongst all my posts and mentions of it, I've probably spelled out just about all of mine so far, anyway.
Mastacheese: Evil appears to be my alignment, with the meteor summoning being part of the role itself... wait... FIRST STINKING LINE OF FLAVOR! I'm as evil as a normal teenager... DANGIT WUBA AND YOUR WORD PLAY!So "meteor summoner" is a role, not alignment? Ok, then. Thanks.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 10:19:27 pm
TDS: nah, I'll just nuke it from a distance.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 10:22:37 pm
TDS And LEAFSNAIL: could you read to us the line that says that you are evil?
TDS: nah, I'll just nuke it from a distance.
1. I am an Evil Wizard. Also, according to my role PM, I am (paraphrasing) evil; as evil as a normal teenager. I assume that both together mean I am evil.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 10:24:00 pm
YOU BASTARD MOD!!!!!!
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 10:24:15 pm
TDS And LEAFSNAIL: could you read to us the line that says that you are evil?
TDS: nah, I'll just nuke it from a distance.
1. I am an Evil Wizard. Also, according to my role PM, I am (paraphrasing) evil; as evil as a normal teenager. I assume that both together mean I am evil.
I forgot 2.
2. Sure, I'm fine with getting it removed. If I lose it at the beginning of the night and not the end, I'll give it to you to be sure.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 10:24:42 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2014, 10:28:27 pm
We're all teenagers. At least, I'm pretty sure. Assuming that neither of you are lying, both you and RangerCado were told you were evil in the same way, and since all of us are teenagers as far as I know... the mod was playing a game with us. The evil alignment, as far as I know, means nothing. The fact that you were told you were evil means nothing, since you are merely "as evil as all teenagers are": which means that all of us are evil.
With that gone, all that is left is for us to actually figure out the puzzle...
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 10:50:29 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 10:50:57 pm
With that gone, all that is left is for us to actually figure out the puzzle...
Currently, we have three ideas.
-Leafsnail says to "lynch" (we don't actually know what happens) NQT for appearing suspicious in general and because of hints from the mods in role descriptions and posts.
-NQT says to "lynch" the evil people (now invalid) and the meteor summoners (still possible). There is also another person whose goal is to get rid of the evil people, but I can't remember who. Mastahcheese maybe?
-I suggested that most of us have to find love in some way to win. (FYI, I am male.)
I'd go with Leafsnail's first (easy to check and probably has less bad consequences), NQT's second (we've found one summoner), and throw mine in somewhere depending on what we learn this evening and tomorrow morning.
Does anyone else have any other ideas for what our wincon actually is?
Post by: Toaster on January 28, 2014, 10:53:54 pm
I suspected him (as I have stated) and I wanted to make sure that he didn't have a dangerous item tonight in case the meteor summoners are the scum. I lost the gamble and got a worse-than-useless item.
At what point in the day was this?
Ranger:
Toaster: I do not know how to unsummon it, and have no clue who does. I might as well come clean about the item in that it prevented my vote from ever counting at the end of the day, and was stolen during the game day.
Then why doesn't TheDarkStar's vote count now? TDS, if you have any input here I'm listening to you too.
Seeing what happens when a person has majority vote at day end may answer a few questions.
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 10:56:48 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 28, 2014, 10:58:21 pm
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 11:01:49 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 28, 2014, 11:03:10 pm
TheDarkStar:I suspected him (as I have stated) and I wanted to make sure that he didn't have a dangerous item tonight in case the meteor summoners are the scum. I lost the gamble and got a worse-than-useless item.
At what point in the day was this?
Ranger:Toaster: I do not know how to unsummon it, and have no clue who does. I might as well come clean about the item in that it prevented my vote from ever counting at the end of the day, and was stolen during the game day.
Then why doesn't TheDarkStar's vote count now? TDS, if you have any input here I'm listening to you too.
Seeing what happens when a person has majority vote at day end may answer a few questions.
1. It was a guess from earlier today (in-game today), before much happened, when Ranger claimed; I did voice my opinion, but much later:
Also, I'll FoS RangerCado in red for admitting to being a meteor summoner. I'm not sure what we need to do, but it's the only thing we've learned so far. I just hope he isn't a jester that kills us all upon death.I expect makeinu will make the same scathing comments that he usually applies to vigilantes to me.
2. He's just misinterpreting what the item does. It basically says that you can't vote while holding the item (it's called the Cursed Staff of Earth). If he really did have a different item, I might have been targeted by someone else who has an applicable ability, but I don't think that is likely.
Post by: makeinu on January 28, 2014, 11:06:03 pm
I expect makeinu will make the same scathing comments that he usually applies to vigilantes to me.
Why? Are you a Vigilante?
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 11:07:26 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 28, 2014, 11:09:29 pm
TDS: Go ask Wuba. Ask if your vote will still show. I did, and he told me it would.
You realize he tested it and it didn't, right?
Post by: RangerCado on January 28, 2014, 11:10:39 pm
Post by: Silthuri on January 28, 2014, 11:11:42 pm
MOWEI plan on using my vote. I just want to figure out who I think it's best to vote for. As for right now, I have no clue. I'm wondering if lynching the summoners is what we have to do. Maybe we need to keep them around in order to make them work the counter spell or something. Maybe there's a certain thing we have to do to force them to. Maybe we're not lynching them, but forcing them to agree to destroy the meteor. I don't know.Your uncertainty is understandable, but I really doubt that we're going to get any closer to an answer before we see the results of the first day and night, unless anyone plans to claim something. Do you have any secret insight on these matters?
Secret insight? I have virtually no insight at all.
I'm male, according to my role statement, and a poet. Not a flirt. A stupid love-struck poet who just wants to find his soulmate before the meteor hits. String implication therein that the meteor can't be stopped.
"End of the world" is clearly stated in the title. What if all we're supposed to do is fulfill each of our desires? Everyone has a desire right?
And I realized that I've never given you guys my background. I am a human sandwich, accidentally created by a horrible, horrible wizard. He made me, was invited out to lunch, tried to preserve me, and ended up turning me human. Apparently, my only desire is to become a sandwich again.
So... Yeah.
Post by: makeinu on January 28, 2014, 11:15:19 pm
TDS: Go ask Wuba. Ask if your vote will still show. I did, and he told me it would.
You realize he tested it and it didn't, right?
Technically, maybe not. He voted for himself. Then he voted for RangerCado, then changed that to an FoS (blue), before Wuba put up a vote board.
Self-voting may very we'll be disallowed, and so wouldn't have been counted. And FoS on a target may override a vote, or count as an unvote, or some such. We don't know, however, because he didn't let it stand long enough.
Post by: Toaster on January 28, 2014, 11:26:44 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 28, 2014, 11:27:05 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 28, 2014, 11:33:32 pm
-NQT says to "lynch" the evil people (now invalid) and the meteor summoners (still possible). There is also another person whose goal is to get rid of the evil people, but I can't remember who. Mastahcheese maybe?Yeah, mine seems to suggest that my wincon is the defeat in some manner of the evil persons.
Actually, I'll go ahead and roleclaim.
I am the Witch Hunter, my power is basically that of the cop, in that I can inspect people's alignments. Due to the fact that all three evil people have admitted to being evil, and being a meteor summoner is not an alignment, but rather a role as RangerCado tells me, then my power has effectively become obsolete. In other words, I'm just a normal guy, now, that demands that evil be punished. Whoop de doo.
Post by: makeinu on January 28, 2014, 11:38:20 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 28, 2014, 11:43:07 pm
I wouldn't discount that as useless even still. We don't know what Wuba will come back with on an investigation.All it says is that it shows alignment, I can't think of what else it may give. Maybe if we keep RangerCado alive long enough for me to screen him(her, whatever) then we'll know for sure.
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 12:58:24 am
I kindof like the "our aim is to find love" theory too, maybe a flavourclaim is in order.PFP, reading up later: LS, know in advance that I put you under due suspicion for being tagged Evil, despite claiming it truthfully (seriously, 3 people-EXACTLY-claiming. Either they've all lied that there's a groupchat, and wincon is 'KILL THE EMPEROR!' [I am reminded by GlyphGryph's games wherein scum wanted the LEADER dead and not the town but bleeeh. Needs thought on it as the origin is silly-passing-thought. Given NQT's hilarious rise to power [Yeah, I'm jaded here, bear with it])
...In claiming my flavor, nothing is gained. As in, nothing. Seriously. >__> I don't even have any love background to share with you all!
Mastacheese: Evil appears to be my alignment, with the meteor summoning being part of the role itself... wait... FIRST STINKING LINE OF FLAVOR! I'm as evil as a normal teenager... DANGIT WUBA AND YOUR WORD PLAY!But that makes no sense! I was a normal teenager and everything was fluffy cupcakes and rainbows (sans a horrible past clouded out by happier memories). Not all teenagers are evil!
Also, really? That's what you used to confirm being Evil?
Is it explicitly stated, that you're Evil? As in, the capital E?
Explaining my comment about the bastard mod?Counterpoint: It's day 1, and we've yet to see what majority votes do..and why it needs a 'majority decision'..which does make sense in context (but that treats 'votes' as I SOLELY BELIEVE THIS SHOULD HAPPEN AND THUS IT IS MY WILL TO BELIEVE SO)...or stuff like that.
We're all teenagers. At least, I'm pretty sure. Assuming that neither of you are lying, both you and RangerCado were told you were evil in the same way, and since all of us are teenagers as far as I know... the mod was playing a game with us. The evil alignment, as far as I know, means nothing. The fact that you were told you were evil means nothing, since you are merely "as evil as all teenagers are": which means that all of us are evil.
With that gone, all that is left is for us to actually figure out the puzzle...
I don't have good memories of highschool stuffs to deliberate this correctly.
I'll be silly and say that love isn't just kissy-kissy-hugs. :IWith that gone, all that is left is for us to actually figure out the puzzle...
Currently, we have three ideas.
[...]
-I suggested that most of us have to find love in some way to win. (FYI, I am male.)
It's a HECK LOT DEEPER than that.
Mhmm!
But yeah, this is really an enigma.
Reading back.
Unvote, and Extend. This is ridiculous!What are your thoughts, Cado?
Seriously? >:II expect makeinu will make the same scathing comments that he usually applies to vigilantes to me.
Why? Are you a Vigilante?
Don't you dare do that here. It hurt me a lot the first time you did so. *cuts chat because other game-talk*
MOWE
And I realized that I've never given you guys my background. I am a human sandwich, accidentally created by a horrible, horrible wizard. He made me, was invited out to lunch, tried to preserve me, and ended up turning me human. Apparently, my only desire is to become a sandwich again.This had me in a fit of laughter.
So... Yeah.
...
Tell me, you look human right? But..just look human, but are bread and sandwich
ohgodsIhavetroubletypingthisfromlaughter
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 01:01:12 am
TDS: Go ask Wuba. Ask if your vote will still show. I did, and he told me it would.
You realize he tested it and it didn't, right?
Technically, maybe not. He voted for himself. Then he voted for RangerCado, then changed that to an FoS (blue), before Wuba put up a vote board.
Self-voting may very we'll be disallowed, and so wouldn't have been counted. And FoS on a target may override a vote, or count as an unvote, or some such. We don't know, however, because he didn't let it stand long enough.
Tiruin.
I doubt this but >_>
Why hello Inquisitor/Van Helsing.-NQT says to "lynch" the evil people (now invalid) and the meteor summoners (still possible). There is also another person whose goal is to get rid of the evil people, but I can't remember who. Mastahcheese maybe?Yeah, mine seems to suggest that my wincon is the defeat in some manner of the evil persons.
Actually, I'll go ahead and roleclaim.
I am the Witch Hunter, my power is basically that of the cop, in that I can inspect people's alignments. Due to the fact that all three evil people have admitted to being evil, and being a meteor summoner is not an alignment, but rather a role as RangerCado tells me, then my power has effectively become obsolete. In other words, I'm just a normal guy, now, that demands that evil be punished. Whoop de doo.
..
Err, why'd you claim when we're all speculating? If in the case that this is a real-case scenario of hidden/lying scum and totally confused town, this is a...detriment.
Also how do you inspect alignments? As in, did you ask what 'alignment' means?
Post by: Caz on January 29, 2014, 03:23:42 am
And I realized that I've never given you guys my background. I am a human sandwich, accidentally created by a horrible, horrible wizard. He made me, was invited out to lunch, tried to preserve me, and ended up turning me human. Apparently, my only desire is to become a sandwich again.
So... Yeah.
Too funny. o_o
This game gives me a headache. I can't yet figure out my wincon from the role I got. Everyone is apparently evil. Give the president a cake.
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 04:18:43 am
Are you a wizard?
Leafsnail
Do you have some form of Dissociative Identity Disorder? The way you're swinging back and forth between "Well I don't have a wincon and I'm confused what we're meant to do in the game" and "KNEEL BEFORE MY ALMIGHTY CONFIRMED TOWNINESS YOU SCUM" is really odd.Well, I don't have an explicit win-con, but given that Wuba and Nerjin in their infinite bloody wisdom have seen fit to give us little better to do, I've decided to just run with what seems the most likely goal, pending further information.
Incidentally, there are two claimed evil players other than me. There are zero claimed "townie" players other than you. What do you call a player when they're the only one of their alignment and vastly more knowledgable than everyone else?Wuba also said that unless told otherwise, players are Not Evil, which hardly puts them in the same camp as you does it?
I care about TDS's item preventing town players from voting: a vote is town's weapon etc. etc. Also. just because a power would 'fit my role' doesn't mean I have that power, that's absurd and you know it.What makes you think I have an infinite vote ability? Your delusions multiply!Because you seem to care about TDS's item. And also it would fit your role.
Reading back you're right that you didn't directly contradict yourself, but your behaviour makes no sense and that's what confused me. Everyone should probably read this actually.[snipped a load of bullshit]Confused terminology debates is not what I'm interested in in playing this game. Wuba has decided to obfuscate the terminology and has sown this confusion and that's all there is to it.
Cheese
Your goal appears to be to hunt down evil. How about you start with the players that have claimed to be evil?
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 04:57:33 am
EveryoneMagus.
Are you a wizard?
Or to paint a better picture, I'm the one people love burning at the stake, along with serenades of my rolename being chanted with the media-depicting pitchforks and torches on a bright overcast day.
Are you a mage?
What do you think about our human sandwich?
Just thinking about your claim gets me in a fit of laughter. Thank you MOWE. >:I
LeafsnailI thought we agreed on Cado. What makes LS different? (Other than the weird vibes I'm getting from both of you. :I)
One person, voting. That is if we can't agree--and is mostly only practical in scenes where the majority is all omgwhotovote. Disputed claims aside, I believe items can work when abilities are used--only inferring as I've nothing to base on but claimed items.I care about TDS's item preventing town players from voting: a vote is town's weapon etc. etc. Also. just because a power would 'fit my role' doesn't mean I have that power, that's absurd and you know it.What makes you think I have an infinite vote ability? Your delusions multiply!Because you seem to care about TDS's item. And also it would fit your role.
But points go to snips!
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Also. just because a power would 'fit my role' doesn't mean I have that power, that's absurd and you know it."And you know it." That's a NQT subtle scumtell in my notebook. Why do you always (mostly often) pull that 'and you know it' thing out?
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Confused terminology debates is not what I'm interested in in playing this game. Wuba has decided to obfuscate the terminology and has sown this confusion and that's all there is to it.Yeah, and you're mad at him instead of deliberating it out with us instead? I see more pointy fingers at the mod(s) than an open mouth and a voiceful mind this game, from you.
That, and your initial point was a forward of scumminess-probable, towards me because I 'missed something'. I get the understanding/holistic reasoning but the origin of that viewpoint leads to suspicion.
An-whoo~
I believe you're not claiming the passive ability due to reasons-town? Unless your only ability is being an Innocent Child (everyone knows you're town and that's it).
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 05:32:24 am
Are you a mage?I'm a President, but yeah, I can use magic if I want to.
What do you think about our human sandwich?It's very odd, but believable. Reminiscent of the duck in Vector's game.
I thought we agreed on Cado. What makes LS different? (Other than the weird vibes I'm getting from both of you. :I)You unvoted Cado to vote yourself, leaving me the only person voting Cado. I'd rather lynch Cado, but Leafsnail is more viable right now.
I'm trying to appeal to Leafsnail's sense of reasonableness. I want him to know that I know that he know's he's making a bad argument.QuoteAlso. just because a power would 'fit my role' doesn't mean I have that power, that's absurd and you know it."And you know it." That's a NQT subtle scumtell in my notebook. Why do you always (mostly often) pull that 'and you know it' thing out?
Yeah, and you're mad at him instead of deliberating it out with us instead? I see more pointy fingers at the mod(s) than an open mouth and a voiceful mind this game, from you.I'm not mad at Leafsnail, he's just doing his job as my opponent in this game. I just can't be bothered with inane terminology discussion. It's fruitless. Leafsnail has decided to pretend to disbelieve me so that he can push a case to get me lynched (after all, we have opposing alignments), and other than pointing out his outright falsehoods, there's not much to be gained from tackling him point-by-tedious-point when he's always going to want me killed whatever I say.
That, and your initial point was a forward of scumminess-probable, towards me because I 'missed something'. I get the understanding/holistic reasoning but the origin of that viewpoint leads to suspicion.What? I initially voted you for your inattentiveness, which has hardly improved as the game has proceeded. How's that suspicious? Or are you saying I was suspicious of you?
An-whoo~This is exactly what I've been saying all along, a fact that other players like makeinu haven't found difficult to grasp. I have no other power than being confirmed not evil.
I believe you're not claiming the passive ability due to reasons-town? Unless your only ability is being an Innocent Child (everyone knows you're town and that's it).
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 05:50:08 am
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It's very odd, but believable. Reminiscent of the duck in Vector's game.Touche. :I
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I'm a President, but yeah, I can use magic if I want to...How?
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You unvoted Cado to vote yourself, leaving me the only person voting Cado. I'd rather lynch Cado, but Leafsnail is more viable right now.Due to...being Evil?
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What? I initially voted you for your inattentiveness, which has hardly improved as the game has proceeded. How's that suspicious? Or are you saying I was suspicious of you?Really now? Explain the bolded part.
On the next question-you made a declaring statement. A negative statement instead of a generally neutral one.
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This doesn't necessarily mean you're scum...+ emphasis.
Inattentiveness is, shamefully, both my characteristic when town and scum-with differences in between (but I leave that to you to decide). It does not mark someone as scum, per se. To bring up another game: Remember Worse Things? Yeah. I also did your 'point': I mistook loyalist = town.
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This is exactly what I've been saying all along, a fact that other players like makeinu haven't found difficult to grasp. I have no other power than being confirmed not evil....
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This makes a lot of sense, and both optimist and pessimist look at it in cautious consideration.
Thank you for your participation.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 06:06:08 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 06:17:36 am
[...]I find it suspect that you have only one ability[...]That ability thing? I've one too, and by that I mean 'I have one, too.' Only one. And it has weird level increments, but I believe its tied in with my background so +fluff!
Theoretically both passive and active, but you'll have to find out. :3
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 06:44:52 am
By learning it in magic classes.QuoteI'm a President, but yeah, I can use magic if I want to...How?
Well, he's Evil and so someone I want to vote for, but by 'viable' I mean, 'more likely to be successfully lynched'.QuoteYou unvoted Cado to vote yourself, leaving me the only person voting Cado. I'd rather lynch Cado, but Leafsnail is more viable right now.Due to...being Evil?
You didn't seem to understand my role ability claim despite multiple explanations, and you had to have people's claims (like Darkstar's information about my bribes) pointed out to you.QuoteWhat? I initially voted you for your inattentiveness, which has hardly improved as the game has proceeded. How's that suspicious? Or are you saying I was suspicious of you?Really now? Explain the bolded part.
Wolf
NQT, your arguments get more nonsensical and ridiculous as the game goes on. Tiruin has been far more attentive than most other people, and the I find it suspect that you have only one ability. Something about what you are saying just isn't right.That Tiruin has been more attentive than most people is a sorry indication of the quality of players in this game. You see not to have noticed that my vote against Tiruin's inattentiveness was made at the beginning of the game. Are you saying that you have more than one ability? I wish I did too, but I don't. Do you really want Smstr to be remembered as That Game Where Everyone Lynched The Confirmed Town Player? Because that's where you're pushing it. Do you really think I'm the best lynch candidate?
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 06:52:31 am
"Why, yes NQT, let's assume Tiruin has not-in face, been checking and evaluating you by thorough questioning."You didn't seem to understand my role ability claim despite multiple explanations, and you had to have people's claims (like Darkstar's information about my bribes) pointed out to you.QuoteWhat? I initially voted you for your inattentiveness, which has hardly improved as the game has proceeded. How's that suspicious? Or are you saying I was suspicious of you?Really now? Explain the bolded part.
"But I'm town. Right here."
"No, she surely hasn't been trying to figure out if claiming (or fakeclaiming) an Innocent Child is attached to any devious plan Webadict, or probably herself as a third-party made up."
"Town. Here."
"Or what Leafsnail said, however there's a problem in his statements that while-NQT, being a 'townie', does not make sense to wholly twist every word in order for it to assume any other meaning. Thus outing Leafsnail as scummy via consideration of wording."
"I did say 'didn't seem to understand'."
"And I'm joking around! Silly NQT."
"You said that not me."
WolfY'know, before I read this, I was thoroughly reconsidering you as really town-that your pushing is from a perception not-level to mine in seeing the whole matter. How does one approach a bastard game with Innocent Child?NQT, your arguments get more nonsensical and ridiculous as the game goes on. Tiruin has been far more attentive than most other people, and the I find it suspect that you have only one ability. Something about what you are saying just isn't right.That Tiruin has been more attentive than most people is a sorry indication of the quality of players in this game. You see not to have noticed that my vote against Tiruin's inattentiveness was made at the beginning of the game. Are you saying that you have more than one ability? I wish I did too, but I don't. Do you really want Smstr to be remembered as That Game Where Everyone Lynched The Confirmed Town Player? Because that's where you're pushing it. Do you really think I'm the best lynch candidate?
Then I read the orange part. You really have a knack for being an inconsiderate jerk, you know. The next part? Do you really want to keep on guilt-tripping in the future tense, everyone else without even trying to prove yourself town?
"Oh let's rely on Innocent Child to really be innocent."
"Yeah, but what makes it really innocent, in context? Reliance on role, only?"
"No, trial by fire. The context-if not bastard, or any hint or semi-portion of it-would not hold that in dispute. The problem is that we're in a bastard game."
Nice work NQT, playing labels again.
If you really want to call me stupid. Do it to my face, you.
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 07:15:35 am
If you really want to, do it tomorrow
Everyone, on the current trajectory, the class is heading for an NQT-lynch. I'm categorically telling you that this has a high chance of causing a Very Bad Thing* to happen and if you suspect that your wincon is possibly related to avoiding Very Bad Things happening, then you'd better make sure I don't die. I will tell you in full detail about this Bad Thing on Day 2, and I will also explain why I have very good reason for not explaining it right now. After which, regardless of whether you believe my explanation, you're more than welcome to lynch me tomorrow.
*This isn't official terminology. Don't expect these words to appear in your PM.
Tiruin
Oh I don't think you're stupid. Perhaps I was a bit harsh. I'm very sorry: I don't mean to impugn your intelligence. I can see why more suspicion might arise than usual because this is apparently a bastard game. But it seems absurd to me to let the player that the mod has said is not evil die on day one in a game where the mod has said they won't outright lie before you even know what 'evil' and 'not evil' might really mean in the setting.
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 07:40:45 am
But..that vibe. I can more clearly that not see where Leafsnail is heading in agreement with the vote on you-I can assume one thing that he is particularly keen in seeing you dead if:
> Evil = scum,
> They lied about the groupchat,
> Cado claimed to lessen the suspicion, then WIFOM us into counter-belief, but that'd be darn gutsy. However, everyone claimed-numbers match. Similarities are seen, even in trace amounts.
However a benevolent factor, as a minor note, is that he has a different perspective--oh, and Cado did claim direct meteor summoner; TDS and Cado, however, have mistaken Evil as...well, the adage of 'teenagers are evil'.
Which I'd impute to Webadict's terminology. (possible player-Webadict and not webadict-person/mod)
Which is flatout crazy. There are at least two sides against each other in a Mafia game. If untrue-then this whole game must have one recourse as a general goal: Love, or probably something else. I can probably conclude the former, but the latter and the former both lie in vagueness. Why?
I can't glean anything at all from my role. No wincon. No subtlety. No malevolent/benevolent note other than I'm not told I'm Evil or whatever--and as said:
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Aaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil. Have fun. Ask away, foolish fools. I'm sure I forgot to explain something. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4946894#msg4946894)Which 'splains two definite concepts. Evil, and Not Evil. That's it.
What I'm doing now is explaining my thoughts.
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But it seems absurd to me to let the player that the mod has said is not evil die on day one in a game where the mod has said they won't outright lie before you even know what 'evil' and 'not evil' might really mean in the setting.I takeback in turn what I said, however I would like the 'inconsiderate' note to linger.
When I said inconsiderate, I say it in that in all your posts-not one has spoken to me of you considering the notion from our PoV. You do not consider or consolidate those matters and address them as suspicion towards you. While using your role as an explanation is valid, you've only done that and..quite not much else other than rebound onto Leafsnail.
Hmm. Let's see-reconsidering the majority notion, why don't we try one other thing:
I'll set these objectives to prove.
> All Evil people are Meteor Summoners.
> Everyone else but Leafsnail; TheDarkStar and RangerCado are Evil, and against the Town-those who are flailing about. (I speak figuratively)
> NQT has the verdict in her hands. (Note n page 5, first web' official post.*)
* - Flavor does have a tangible effect, and we may also use that as a tool.
> The Evil/Non Evil schism is caused by NQT's perception or past (due to our start in media res) towards us
That said, Leafsnail.
However, NQT: I see quite a considerable difference in..information, nothing you've done before-as town, too-but..it is intriguing. You promise something D2, something that intrigues curiosity. What is it that you know, and still hide-that you'd only divulge in the matters of you living through the night?
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 07:43:11 am
But I digress-there may actually be an item that renders one's vote as silly and meaningless.
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How that makes sense in context is beyond me.
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 07:53:05 am
Gah.
webadict: Do you deal in half lies-as in, is it correct to assume that you're still withholding information in things you deem as 'the truth'?
Stupid percentile lies. 'I won't tell you 100% lies' my blasted beard.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2014, 08:50:40 am
Like, bullshit. No other player even has any idea how to make themselves win, and he's claiming he has info on how to make everyone else win.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2014, 08:51:29 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 09:04:07 am
Like, bullshit. No other player even has any idea how to make themselves win, and he's claiming he has info on how to make everyone else win.No, I'm claiming that lynching me today would very much increase the chance of a bad happenstance which might negatively impact most player's win conditions. People don't know absolutely what their wincon is, but a lot of people seem to have strong suspicions. I'll explain Day 2.
Also notice that he switched to me for no reason other than that I made a case he ha no answer for.Not true. I have answered your case: you have chosen to disbelieve that my wincon says I'm a townie and I can hardly force you to believe me when you are of obviously opposing alignment. I switched to you because you're a more viable target and my second pick for the lynch. Voting Cado was going to get me lynched; I don't mind being lynched tomorrow, but today would be bad news.
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2014, 10:18:36 am
Post by: Toaster on January 29, 2014, 10:35:19 am
Toaster runs up to MyOwnWorstEnemy and eats him.
Worth a flavor-try.
Post by: Silthuri on January 29, 2014, 10:52:09 am
MOWEAnd I realized that I've never given you guys my background. I am a human sandwich, accidentally created by a horrible, horrible wizard. He made me, was invited out to lunch, tried to preserve me, and ended up turning me human. Apparently, my only desire is to become a sandwich again.This had me in a fit of laughter.
So... Yeah.
...
Tell me, you look human right? But..just look human, but are bread and sandwich
ohgodsIhavetroubletypingthisfromlaughter
Apparently I look human, but I'm all bread and lunchmeat on the inside. I was just as shocked as you when I read this stuff for the first time. I actually reread it several times to make sure I hadn't lost my mind.
NQT:
EveryoneWizard? I'm a muthaf***ing sandwich!
Are you a wizard?
For real though, I don't seem to have any magical ability aside from being alive.
Hmmm... so MOWE is a sandwich?
Toaster runs up to MyOwnWorstEnemy and eats him.
Worth a flavor-try.
"Come at me, bro."
*Commence intense martial arts battle*
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2014, 10:55:40 am
No, I'm claiming that lynching me today would very much increase the chance of a bad happenstance which might negatively impact most player's win conditions. People don't know absolutely what their wincon is, but a lot of people seem to have strong suspicions. I'll explain Day 2.A bad happenstance that only you know about. And you know what the majority of people's win conditions are, again, even though the majority of players don't even know their own win conditions. And for some reason you cannot reveal either of these things (the reason is that you're frantically trying to buy yourself an extra day).
Not true. I have answered your case: you have chosen to disbelieve that my wincon says I'm a townie and I can hardly force you to believe me when you are of obviously opposing alignment.That's not an answer at all. That is the exact opposite of an answer.
The thing I want you to answer: Why did you switch from lording over your confirmed towniness, to being unsure about the game, to being sure about your confirmed towniness and the badness of evil people again? I can see no reason for any of those changes. If you distrust the moderation then why follow their implication blindly?
There's also the fact that you clearly have an order of magnitude more knowledge about this game than any of the rest of us (you have an alignment that actually has meaning in a game of mafia, you know that "something bad" will happen if you get lynched today, you claim to know what the majority of players wants to happen).
I switched to you because you're a more viable target and my second pick for the lynch. Voting Cado was going to get me lynched; I don't mind being lynched tomorrow, but today would be bad news.TDS was your second pick for the lynch earlier. But nice to see you only care about preserving your own life I guess.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2014, 10:56:36 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 11:09:10 am
A bad happenstance that only you know about. And you know what the majority of people's win conditions are, again, even though the majority of players don't even know their own win conditions. And for some reason you cannot reveal either of these things (the reason is that you're frantically trying to buy yourself an extra day).All will be revealed in full tomorrow. People can definitely hold me to this.
The thing I want you to answer: Why did you switch from lording over your confirmed towniness, to being unsure about the game, to being sure about your confirmed towniness and the badness of evil people again? If you distrust the moderation then why follow their implication blindly?Well I was 'lording over' because I felt I had a legitimate basis to so. Finally a game where I didn't have to worry about defending myself from being mislynched! But then it turned out I did have defend myself from being mislynched. When I realised that we were never given explicit win-cons, I was very close to just quitting the game. Without something to try to achieve it isn't a game. It might be a nice roleplaying opportunity or social experiment or something, but not a game. I was very close to just quitting. Then I had a renewal of faith: it followed your comment about Bellsounder, in which you mentioned that most players had a wincon but didn't know it. Aha! Thought I, then my aim is to decipher my winning condition and pursue it vigorously. Now that's what I've been doing ever since.
There's also the fact that you clearly have an order of magnitude more knowledge about this game than any of the rest of us (you have an alignment that actually has meaning in a game of mafia, you know that "something bad" will happen if you get lynched today, you claim to know what the majority of players wants to happen).Not really. I'm merely speculating that most other players won't want something that I know to be really bad happen.
TDS was your second pick for the lynch earlier. But nice to see you only care about preserving your own life I guess.Preferences can change. You're more vehemently trying to get me killed right now. I don't care about preserving my own life in general, just today. I'll explain it all on Day 2, after which people are free to lynch or night kill me.
By the way, it's not ok to give bastard scum an extra day to live (especially if they're clearly frantically trying to get it at any cost) because conversions are a thing.Good job I'm not bastard scum then, eh?
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 12:15:43 pm
You...could have been a lot more vocal...Spoiler: Oh dear (click to show/hide)
This explains..more than most, now.
...Oh dear.
Post by: RangerCado on January 29, 2014, 01:08:12 pm
Nothing but that indicated any evilness too me. And since it was stated that unless your role PM states otherwise, your evil, I assumed that I was evil for this fact... Really, the only one I could think of who couldn't be classed as 'evil as a teenager' is MOWE for being a sandwich. The only thing I can glean of my wincon is what i've stated before, that I want to find True Love... and it appears to be male specific, but I could be wrong.Mastacheese: Evil appears to be my alignment, with the meteor summoning being part of the role itself... wait... FIRST STINKING LINE OF FLAVOR! I'm as evil as a normal teenager... DANGIT WUBA AND YOUR WORD PLAY!But that makes no sense! I was a normal teenager and everything was fluffy cupcakes and rainbows (sans a horrible past clouded out by happier memories). Not all teenagers are evil!
Also, really? That's what you used to confirm being Evil?
Is it explicitly stated, that you're Evil? As in, the capital E?Unvote, and Extend. This is ridiculous!What are your thoughts, Cado?
My thoughts currently are that we may all benefit from a no lynch. This is assuming no one has any night kills at their disposal, which I will say in confidence that I personally do not have one.
EveryoneI am not a wizard.
Are you a wizard?
And yet we have no basis of what 'Evil' is right now outside of meta knowledge of Real World good and evil. I'm apparently evil because I summoned the meteor, but it was due to having lost all but a shred of hope of finding True Love. This seems more of a misguided Evil than actual Evil, but i'm biased in this so... yeah.Well, he's Evil and so someone I want to vote for, but by 'viable' I mean, 'more likely to be successfully lynched'.QuoteYou unvoted Cado to vote yourself, leaving me the only person voting Cado. I'd rather lynch Cado, but Leafsnail is more viable right now.Due to...being Evil?
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 01:13:59 pm
And since it was stated that unless your role PM states otherwise, your evil, I assumed that I was evil for this fact...
Backwards. It was stated that if you aren't told you ARE Evil, then you're Not Evil.
Leafsnail:
Is it your contention, then, that rather than Innocent Child, NQT is actually a Miller?
NQT:
Why does your big reveal of the super bad terrible thing we'll all hate when we see it have to wait until tomorrow?
If it's your wincon, then why not share today? Presuming that it really is so terrible we won't want to see it happen today, there should be no reason not to, right?
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 01:15:48 pm
I'll be male for you. Promise. I am!Nothing but that indicated any evilness too me. And since it was stated that unless your role PM states otherwise, your evil, I assumed that I was evil for this fact... Really, the only one I could think of who couldn't be classed as 'evil as a teenager' is MOWE for being a sandwich. The only thing I can glean of my wincon is what i've stated before, that I want to find True Love... and it appears to be male specific, but I could be wrong.Mastacheese: Evil appears to be my alignment, with the meteor summoning being part of the role itself... wait... FIRST STINKING LINE OF FLAVOR! I'm as evil as a normal teenager... DANGIT WUBA AND YOUR WORD PLAY!But that makes no sense! I was a normal teenager and everything was fluffy cupcakes and rainbows (sans a horrible past clouded out by happier memories). Not all teenagers are evil!
Also, really? That's what you used to confirm being Evil?
Is it explicitly stated, that you're Evil? As in, the capital E?Unvote, and Extend. This is ridiculous!What are your thoughts, Cado?
My thoughts currently are that we may all benefit from a no lynch. This is assuming no one has any night kills at their disposal, which I will say in confidence that I personally do not have one.
What's the orange all about?
I'm quite happier seeing this 'majority vote' to at least test that NQT-FlavorPower. Why do you think a No Lynch is good?
Mastacheese: Evil appears to be my alignment, with the meteor summoning being part of the role itself... wait... FIRST STINKING LINE OF FLAVOR! I'm as evil as a normal teenager... DANGIT WUBA AND YOUR WORD PLAY!But that makes no sense! I was a normal teenager and everything was fluffy cupcakes and rainbows (sans a horrible past clouded out by happier memories). Not all teenagers are evil!
Also, really? That's what you used to confirm being Evil?
Is it explicitly stated, that you're Evil? As in, the capital E?Expound? You summoned a meteor.EveryoneI am not a wizard.
Are you a wizard?
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 01:19:08 pm
I'll be male for you. Promise. I am!Nothing but that indicated any evilness too me. And since it was stated that unless your role PM states otherwise, your evil, I assumed that I was evil for this fact... Really, the only one I could think of who couldn't be classed as 'evil as a teenager' is MOWE for being a sandwich. The only thing I can glean of my wincon is what i've stated before, that I want to find True Love... and it appears to be male specific, but I could be wrong.Mastacheese: Evil appears to be my alignment, with the meteor summoning being part of the role itself... wait... FIRST STINKING LINE OF FLAVOR! I'm as evil as a normal teenager... DANGIT WUBA AND YOUR WORD PLAY!But that makes no sense! I was a normal teenager and everything was fluffy cupcakes and rainbows (sans a horrible past clouded out by happier memories). Not all teenagers are evil!
Also, really? That's what you used to confirm being Evil?
Is it explicitly stated, that you're Evil? As in, the capital E?Unvote, and Extend. This is ridiculous!What are your thoughts, Cado?
My thoughts currently are that we may all benefit from a no lynch. This is assuming no one has any night kills at their disposal, which I will say in confidence that I personally do not have one.
What's the orange all about?
I'm quite happier seeing this 'majority vote' to at least test that NQT-FlavorPower. Why do you think a No Lynch is good?
Expound? You summoned a meteor.EveryoneI am not a wizard.
Are you a wizard?
Post by: Toaster on January 29, 2014, 01:26:18 pm
I'll be male for you. Promise.
((Free sig quotes!))
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 01:30:45 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 01:32:14 pm
Expound? You summoned a meteor.EveryoneI am not a wizard.
Are you a wizard?
Prehaps the book does not require wizardry to conduct the summoning ritual.
I'll be male for you. Promise.
((Free sig quotes!))
Pa'chow!!
Post by: RangerCado on January 29, 2014, 01:33:12 pm
Oh... I still have no idea of my alignment at this point... great...And since it was stated that unless your role PM states otherwise, your evil, I assumed that I was evil for this fact...
Backwards. It was stated that if you aren't told you ARE Evil, then you're Not Evil.
Nowhere does it say I am a wizard. Nowhere. All I know is it said I helped summoned it and had a meteor item.
THe orange is me getting distracted by my brother playing COD in the same room and thinking someone asked about my wincon again... I should get on my laptop to get away from the noise. As for a no-lynch being a good idea, it gives a chance for us all to use our abilities, assuming they have one, and get more info on their wincons. The only way I see this being bad is indeed scum kill somewhere.
Post by: Hapah on January 29, 2014, 01:41:24 pm
I don't think a no-lynch is a good idea, given the impending doomsday and all. Time is not on our side.
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 01:55:22 pm
Why does your big reveal of the super bad terrible thing we'll all hate when we see it have to wait until tomorrow?I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.
If it's your wincon, then why not share today? Presuming that it really is so terrible we won't want to see it happen today, there should be no reason not to, right?
Post by: Caz on January 29, 2014, 02:06:20 pm
Post by: RangerCado on January 29, 2014, 03:07:09 pm
makeinuYour playing the same game you did in Magic Mafia it seems... interesting.Why does your big reveal of the super bad terrible thing we'll all hate when we see it have to wait until tomorrow?I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.
If it's your wincon, then why not share today? Presuming that it really is so terrible we won't want to see it happen today, there should be no reason not to, right?
Post by: Nerjin on January 29, 2014, 03:36:53 pm
Toaster runs up to MyOwnWorstEnemy and eats him.
Worth a flavor-try.
Cannibalism is not allowed here, sparky.
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 03:40:46 pm
Toaster runs up to MyOwnWorstEnemy and eats him.
Worth a flavor-try.
Cannibalism is not allowed here, sparky.
Wait, what? Isn't bread a toaster's natural prey?
Post by: Nerjin on January 29, 2014, 03:42:10 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 03:46:44 pm
I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.
I'm sure I will. What I don't understand, and would like to, is why that should be considered an adequate answer to the question posed.
Solo win conditions seem to be the norm for this game, so far, at least that's the gist of what I'm getting, but so far only yours involves any threat to the rest of us, this unspecified ohmygodhorriblethinglookaway that you're threatening us with.
I don't much care for that, and I would like a better explanation. Or, we could toss you out of the classroom without a hall pass and see exactly what happens. That's starting to sound fun.
PPE:
Bread is. Flesh isn't... At least last I checked.
But he's a sandwich! He only looks like a real boy! Inside, he's delicious cold cuts and cheese and fresh tomato....
S'cuse me, I need to go get lunch now.
Post by: Toaster on January 29, 2014, 04:42:54 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 04:43:34 pm
Solo win conditions seem to be the norm for this game, so far, at least that's the gist of what I'm getting, but so far only yours involves any threat to the rest of us, this unspecified ohmygodhorriblethinglookaway that you're threatening us with.Your making a false assumption here that undermines your point. I'll explain tomorrow.
I don't much care for that, and I would like a better explanation. Or, we could toss you out of the classroom without a hall pass and see exactly what happens. That's starting to sound fun.If I explain now, it's quite likely the terrible thing will still happen. If you lynch me now it's likely to happen. Be patient. It's just one more day.
Ranger
Your playing the same game you did in Magic Mafia it seems... interesting.I was a good guy then as well.
Post by: Toaster on January 29, 2014, 04:44:55 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 29, 2014, 04:45:11 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 04:53:07 pm
NQT: So you're not an Advanced Dopp or anything like that?Definitely not. I'll explain in full and you can all judge the sensibility of my explanations.
And, hell, what if you die in the night? What then?Best case scenario I'm mistaken and no great harm will come. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. I'd explain in full what would happen worst case but that'd undermine things at this juncture.
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 04:58:47 pm
makeinuSolo win conditions seem to be the norm for this game, so far, at least that's the gist of what I'm getting, but so far only yours involves any threat to the rest of us, this unspecified ohmygodhorriblethinglookaway that you're threatening us with.Your making a false assumption here that undermines your point. I'll explain tomorrow.
The only assumption I've made is that one regarding solo win conditions, so...
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I don't much care for that, and I would like a better explanation. Or, we could toss you out of the classroom without a hall pass and see exactly what happens. That's starting to sound fun.If I explain now, it's quite likely the terrible thing will still happen. If you lynch me now it's likely to happen. Be patient. It's just one more day.
So, you don't actually know anything will happen, but you're threatening us with it anyway, to the point...
Oh hell, it's Fight Club, innit?
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 05:05:18 pm
So, you don't actually know anything will happen, but you're threatening us with it anyway, to the point...Patience grasshopper. Keep me alive until tomorrow and all will be revealed.
Oh hell, it's Fight Club, innit?I couldn't possibly say. Yet.
Post by: Toaster on January 29, 2014, 05:07:21 pm
As such, we should lynch RangerCado for maximum information gathering potential. I was hoping he'd spill the beans on the others, but no such luck.
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 05:10:15 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 05:48:38 pm
PFP stoopid sandwich making my lungs hurt despite that being anatomically wrong xD
Post by: RangerCado on January 29, 2014, 05:54:59 pm
You know what? Fuck it. I'm going to say NQT should live until tomorrow, because giving him some sort of ultra ability that only requires him to live one day without a lynch isn't too likely.I don't know who any of the meteor summoners are! For all I know NQT was tricked, flavor wise, into helping the summoning somehow. If any has a lie detector ability perhaps, just check this sentence: I have no knowledge of any of the other summoners.
As such, we should lynch RangerCado for maximum information gathering potential. I was hoping he'd spill the beans on the others, but no such luck.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 29, 2014, 05:55:05 pm
TheDarkStar, can you try again?
Ok. RangerCado. (This is simply a repost of a past vote)
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 05:58:46 pm
..Why not Leafsnail?Ranger's a meteor summoner AND he's Evil, Leafsnail's just Evil. We test more things if we get rid of Ranger.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 29, 2014, 05:58:59 pm
Everyone
Are you a wizard?
I am a wizard (an Evil Wizard, actually).
Wuba also said that unless told otherwise, players are Not Evil, which hardly puts them in the same camp as you does it?
Weren't we all told we were evil about ten pages ago? We were told that "All teenagers are evil" by one of the mods, and we are (I assume) all or mostly teenagers. Because of the wording, that could make us all evil start.
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 06:03:33 pm
I have no knowledge of any of the other summoners.
Blargle.
Ya know what? I believe this. Let's parse!!
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Indeed, the blackboard read as follows: Attention students, I will be several moments late due to various circumstances. By the way, the book Dark Rituals of Rock Summoning requires three people to summon meteors. –Signed Mr. Wub Badict
It does not say that the ritual to summon meteors requires three people. It says the book does.
That supports RangerCado's claim. That means that there are two others out there, not necessarily coincident with those of Evil alignment, who also used the summoning ritual, and it's the three rituals that summoned the meteor. Not necessarily three students working in conjunction.
PPE:
Weren't we all told we were evil about ten pages ago? We were told that "All teenagers are evil" by one of the mods, and we are (I assume) all or mostly teenagers. Because of the wording, that could make us all evil start.
No.
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Aaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil. Have fun. Ask away, foolish fools. I'm sure I forgot to explain something.
Only those that were told were Evil in their role PMs are Evil.
Post by: RangerCado on January 29, 2014, 06:11:09 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 29, 2014, 06:16:54 pm
Weren't we all told we were evil about ten pages ago? We were told that "All teenagers are evil" by one of the mods, and we are (I assume) all or mostly teenagers. Because of the wording, that could make us all evil start.
No.QuoteAaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil. Have fun. Ask away, foolish fools. I'm sure I forgot to explain something.
Only those that were told were Evil in their role PMs are Evil.
First, here:
Webadict: What percentage of teenagers are evil?Everyone knows all teenagers are evil.
Also, I missed typing the end of the sentence (that's why it looks so weird). I meant "Because of the wording, that could make us all evil starting from when we were told so in this thread.
Second, explain to me the point that specifies that you are only evil if told so in role descriptions.
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 06:19:07 pm
TiruinAh, ok, tha makes your mandate work anyway since you did decide over his fate...Why not Leafsnail?Ranger's a meteor summoner AND he's Evil, Leafsnail's just Evil. We test more things if we get rid of Ranger.
RangerCado
I love you buddy, I'm sorry. I really do.
First, here:Who isn't a teenager? :IWebadict: What percentage of teenagers are evil?Everyone knows all teenagers are evil.
Also, I missed typing the end of the sentence (that's why it looks so weird). I meant "Because of the wording, that could make us all evil starting from when we were told so in this thread.
Second, explain to me the point that specifies that you are only evil if told so in role descriptions.
Yeah, too general. We can all assume we are teen-
...
The sandwich did it.
Post by: Nerjin on January 29, 2014, 06:20:48 pm
The sandwich did it.
You enjoy that too much methinks.
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 06:21:54 pm
I meant "Because of the wording, that could make us all evil starting from when we were told so in this thread.
That changes the nature of your argument, but I still disagree.
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Second, explain to me the point that specifies that you are only evil if told so in role descriptions.
The damn game OP (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4946894#msg4946894), perhaps?
You did read that, right? It is required reading for the course.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 29, 2014, 06:23:57 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 06:27:03 pm
I'm a count Dracula as bratty teenager girl apparently.Are you going to feed on someone tonight then? Also, I think you're still voting me. Did you read my earlier post, the one with the big purple writing (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4962558#msg4962558)?
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 06:27:38 pm
I'm a count Dracula as bratty teenager girl apparently.
So, basically, this girl. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_Swan)
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 29, 2014, 06:29:31 pm
WalnutsDepends if it makes sense to do so, which it doesn't.I'm a count Dracula as bratty teenager girl apparently.Are you going to feed on someone tonight then? Also, I think you're still voting me. Did you read my earlier post, the one with the big purple writing (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4962558#msg4962558)?
That =5 to brattiness stat.I'm a count Dracula as bratty teenager girl apparently.
So, basically, this girl. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_Swan)
Post by: notquitethere on January 29, 2014, 06:40:37 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 29, 2014, 06:44:00 pm
You did read that, right? It is required reading for the course.
I read it. I just read it yet again. And there is NOTHING there that says that you are only evil when told so in role descriptions. I quote:
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Aaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil. Have fun. Ask away, foolish fools. I'm sure I forgot to explain something.
It's in the last section where anything left to mention is. It is not necessarily part of the role PMs. If I am misunderstanding something, I'm sure Mr. Badict or Mr. Nerjin can clear this up.
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 06:45:49 pm
For the record, I was not told I'm Evil, nor a teenager, Mr Evilpants.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 06:48:58 pm
Well then.You did read that, right? It is required reading for the course.
I read it. I just read it yet again. And there is NOTHING there that says that you are only evil when told so in role descriptions. I quote:QuoteAaaaand, your gender and stuff are in your roles. If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil. Have fun. Ask away, foolish fools. I'm sure I forgot to explain something.
It's in the last section where anything left to mention is. It is not necessarily part of the role PMs. If I am misunderstanding something, I'm sure Mr. Badict or Mr. Nerjin can clear this up.
I can see what TDS is getting at. The OP never specifies that we will be told via pm. We were told that all teenagers are evil, and the role pms of those who have stated what the line said say "you are as evil as any other teenager".
If this is true, it would make many of our arguments against individual people invalid, as their evil status is no different from ours. Also, there are still two meteor summoners in the game and we can't seem to vote for Nerjin, so either at least one person is lying or this is a more bastard mod game than we thought.
PPE: Okay, make, maybe not you, but does anyone else (besides the sandwich) have anything that explicitly states not evil or not teenager. THIS IS NOT FOR THE TEACHERS AND FACULTY!
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on January 29, 2014, 06:51:44 pm
Post by: Hapah on January 29, 2014, 07:10:04 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 07:16:13 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2014, 07:57:30 pm
Leafsnail:No. That is pretty much the exact opposite of what I am saying.
Is it your contention, then, that rather than Innocent Child, NQT is actually a Miller?
It depends on your perspective. I think NQT legitimately is an Innocent Child - that is, a town player who was called town at the start of the game. webadict didn't lie to us. It's just that none of the rest of us (or at least, almost none of the rest of us) are town, therefore he is effectively scum to the majority of players in this game.
One of webadict's old bastard games had a similar twist, although in that one the townie wasn't declared to be one at the start of the game.
I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.Translation: "I have an advanced doppelganger type ability"
I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.Bullshit. Earlier you said that you had fully claimed your role.
NQT: So you're not an Advanced Dopp or anything like that?Either that or some kind of Cult Leader.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2014, 08:02:01 pm
By claiming to have access to this information NQT is basically claiming to be true scum, regardless of whether his alignment technically lines up with that of a townie.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2014, 08:15:11 pm
An entertaining exercise: imagine that NQT is town. Try to imagine what information could cause him to behave in this way. I'll go first.
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If you get lynched on day one the world will explode because ???. The world will also explode if you make any kind of direct hint towards the fact that the world will explode if you are lynched day one (but you can replace the thing about worlds exploding with a generic "bad thing" and that will be ok). The world exploding will be a bad thing for all non-evil players, who by the way are the majority in this game.
On day two this restriction is lifted and you will be allowed to talk about the world exploding if you are lynched on day one, and also the world will no longer explode if you are lynched. Again you can talk about this but if you mention any specifics about the world exploding the world will explode.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2014, 08:17:46 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 08:20:21 pm
PPE:
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You are an innocent child type mage. However, there is something extra special and bad that will happen if you are lynched day one, but I won't tell you what it is, so have fun!
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 08:24:06 pm
Now I wanna lynch him just to see what happens!!
Post by: Toaster on January 29, 2014, 08:30:43 pm
Also, Leafsnail, if all he had to do was survive the night, why would he claim so much outrageous hoopla? Ranger easily could have been lynched without him going crazy.
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 09:50:07 pm
Extend.OBJECTION!
An entertaining exercise: imagine that NQT is town. Try to imagine what information could cause him to behave in this way. I'll go first.QuoteIf you get lynched on day one the world will explode because ???. The world will also explode if you make any kind of direct hint towards the fact that the world will explode if you are lynched day one (but you can replace the thing about worlds exploding with a generic "bad thing" and that will be ok). The world exploding will be a bad thing for all non-evil players, who by the way are the majority in this game.
On day two this restriction is lifted and you will be allowed to talk about the world exploding if you are lynched on day one, and also the world will no longer explode if you are lynched. Again you can talk about this but if you mention any specifics about the world exploding the world will explode.
I raise a valid counterpoint to alleviate this amount of certainty.
1. This is a linear scenario that would only happen in certain cases. It would not be a semi-bastard if such conclusions were to be drawn, as the consequences would be too high to validate a general case formed during the first darn day.
2. ...The silliness is paramount to destroying the laws of physics. Basing details on my role-even IF I'm a mage, my powers are restrained by the laws of physics and reality--I had to go to darn medical school then engineering to get this passive/active power. :I
3. Basis lies in NQT's actions - he did that before as town (and with silliness abundant in how in the world this makes sense.
Counter proposal to Ranger-lynch:
What I assume y'all are gunning for him for are these raisins:
> Lynch someone who calls out meteor summoner. He has also claimed Evil (in context: stated the clause "all teenagers are evil" thereby convincing him that he was [initially mistaken for] Evil).
Why I resume my proposal at a Leafsnail/TDS variant:
> ...If an either-case follows, the majority vote (instead of the term 'lynch') on Leafsnail or TDS--and if confirmed they are meteor summoners via flip (wherein I DO DARN HOPE there are roleflips :I)--then it goes to follow that All Evil Claimants are meteor summoners.
If they aren't evil-we have a sure lead to follow the next day, discarding whatever night item/actions everyone else has as a generality. RangerCado.
Next are some refutable points on Leafsnail--I see points being measured, angled and drawn against NQT, though I do have the feeling on him that there are some points not being directly addressed. My partial reads have drawn to a point on Leafsnail:
A. Metaknowledge. Bastard games are not won by directly pulling knowledge from other games, and imputing the notion of 'It could happen here!' as a standing point! They are used as guidelines, but not for concise and clear judgement!
To not cause any hilarity in this process, Leafsnail: What are your thoughts on TDS and RangerCado? Why are you poking so focusedly at NQT?
Counterpoint on why NQT behaves that way: It's a quirk(?) of his in living. It would be too far to profess that he's shoving WIFOM due to his action, in how obstinate he said it-and how bold he was being. While I'd not include the emotional aspect; my kind of information also leans on that being an affector to his behavior earlier--lacking motivation.
I do not know how, or why NQT behaves that way nor can I give a rational reason why he's doing so. However I can base on past experiences. NQT: Remember that game wherein you had powers to make two people lovers and such-such? The game where you trickled claims per day in and day out? Could you explain why you 'tout' or better yet, push forward the notion that letting you live, with the promise of information, is a 'good thing' for you?
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 09:54:49 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 09:57:12 pm
I mean, juvenile magickery isn't punishable by law. I blame the other people outside and school administration for keeping such tomes in the non-censored section. :I
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 10:09:51 pm
Basically, tell us what you know/suspect. Playing the "saving it for later" card doesn't have much influence.
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 10:22:33 pm
Basically, tell us what you know/suspect. Playing the "saving it for later" card doesn't have much influence.Especially when you're an Innocent Child.
..
Sorry just couldn't help myself.
Hapah/Caz
Get in the game guys. Or at least say which parts you're confused by. :P
Because while the consensus of now points to exacts along with who-is-whos, I'm fairly doubting that the whole darn scumteam did their act as fullclaiming.
Though it is considerable that the notion of 'Evil' stands out due to the mechanics and naming. What purpose would it serve by that?
We know TDS hates NQT and is considered..evil because he knew the money makes the government (and thought evil teenager.)
I can't find any note on Leafsnail (or am blind :X)
And Cado represents one seeking for love, and also participated in the summoning.
TDS/Leafsnail are claimed wizards/magi.
Cado is not. (Semantics, maybe? Witch =/= Wizard.)
What can you do, RangerCado?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 10:34:21 pm
Post by: Silthuri on January 29, 2014, 10:38:18 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 10:43:45 pm
Sorry guys, but college is hitting me hard. I should have things straightened up by tomorrow night, but just in case, extend.I'd..erm, warn against extends being profusely used in D1..as in. We're seemingly already at the concluding portion--now if you can redact it since Leafsnail used his extend (moving it towards Friday, I guess?)..
Wishing you well, anyway. At least-in the very least, we know MOWE's sandwichman is theoretically human in all meanings. Ethically, morally and...yeah.
'I'm a human sandwich' still cracks me up though. xD
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 10:52:12 pm
Post by: Nerjin on January 29, 2014, 10:55:46 pm
I'm a mod, I can edit!
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 10:57:34 pm
..
No, I believe MOWE is male. :P Though I didn't check when I gave out the BM roles for specificity..hmm. :S
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 10:58:09 pm
*clicks profile*
:X
Sorry MOWE!!!! D:
Post by: Nerjin on January 29, 2014, 10:58:34 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 11:02:10 pm
..
:X
Sorry MOWE!
Trust me, she's a girl. That's no bologna.Still. How it was written was darn funny. "I am a human sandwich-..." was one of the last things I expected as a claim.
And goodness..did that make my day. And my...my lungs. x__x
Anyway, yeah. Sorry. Should've asked directly instead. u__u
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 11:02:54 pm
MOWE [The player] is a girl.You didn't even edit anything! D:<
I'm a mod, I can edit!
Why did you edit it for no reason? :I
Spiting me?! D:<
Anyway, since you're around...
Nerjin: Votecount?
>:3
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 11:10:39 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 11:14:25 pm
All non-mods: Is that how Tiruin normally plays? With a large number of posts, often put up one right after the other?
Makeinu: You, too, have posted quite a few short posts exactly like that one. While I admit to being guilty of this myself, why would an experienced player such as yourself do so without also adding something to either scumhunting or the puzzlesolving?
Everyone non-mod OOC: For my own personal development as a mafia player, would this be considered acceptable scumhunting in a non-bastard-mod game?
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2014, 11:15:07 pm
Nerjin: Votecount?I'm on it now. Hopefully, no bad things happen!
>:3
Post by: Nerjin on January 29, 2014, 11:19:00 pm
"A room's not a room, without Celestial Bloom
Robosaurus, you're my hero, that's what I sa~ay!
You'll come save us all. This is surely so~o
But I'll love you most either wa~ay!"
"But this world is not your home
I wish that you could know
I would trade it all away
If you'd come back to stay!
This world's just not the same, without yo~ou!
It's just a mop and just a dusty broo~ooom...
Without you~ou" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB1AAn23VOs)
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz - Hapah, [1]
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
Leafsnail -Makeinu, Tiruin, [2]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
notquitethere - 4maskwolf, Caz, Leafsnail, [3]
RangerCado - NotQuiteThere, Toaster, [2]
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
No Lynch -
Not Voting - Mastahcheese, MyOwnWorstEnemy, RangerCado, HissinhWalnuts, [4]
7 To Hammer. Day Ends Wednesday 9 PM Central.[/font]
Post by: Nerjin on January 29, 2014, 11:19:58 pm
Nerjin: Votecount?I'm on it now. Hopefully, no bad things happen!
>:3
Whoops... Yeah, ignore my vote-count. Listen to Wubba's.
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 11:21:18 pm
Tiruin: are you trying to get the highest post count in order to fit the profile discussed in the first couple pages here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132415.0)? Which, of note, was an observation made by the very person who is now confirmed town. Are you trying to ingratiate yourself? Some of your posts contain little to no content related to the playing of the game and are often double or even triple posts.Let me counter that statement: I am against that kind of notion (though it does hold, that town is as such due to mafia knowing more, thus would move for lesser posts). However, in my posts I've collated notes and checked the main suspects out of the general audience-up for discussion anyway; if there's any deviances to report, shout it at me.
All non-mods: Is that how Tiruin normally plays? With a large number of posts, often put up one right after the other?
And ouch, little to no context. Links please. >__> I challenge you on that point, sir. Little to no context in mafia? Oh dear, firstly thought this was undermining from you.
And no-I'm very aware of my post count, thanks. That idea didn't even crop up in my head here. :X Having 16k posts has me pessimising over myself as a spammer..which I don't think I am.
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Everyone non-mod OOC: For my own personal development as a mafia player, would this be considered acceptable scumhunting in a non-bastard-mod game?Yes, but not in the same methods we're using here. We don't have wincons--but scumhunting via speculation and checking out?
It's new, in my opinion.
But the flagrant posting without analysis of what's in the post? I really do think we've gone far beyond the 'hey guys let's speculate instead of scumhunt' that both notions merged into the same thing, now that we can all decide on common ground to stand on.
PPE x2
I do not like how Caz disappears just to vote NQT, because Rebel(?)
Post by: Tiruin on January 29, 2014, 11:23:42 pm
Next, I'm picky about pronouns. Hence what you see right there regarding MOWE. You try that happening to you and see how you'll react! (Ok maybe not as profusely as mine but you get my point.)
PS: Compare and contrast: Note 1. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132415.msg4712360#msg4712360) // Logician's Reply. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132415.msg4712438#msg4712438)
using metaknowledge to guess me out will end in your failure, and a very unhappy Tiruin.
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 11:24:27 pm
All non-mods: Is that how Tiruin normally plays? With a large number of posts, often put up one right after the other?
Yes. That, and lots of links.
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Makeinu: You, too, have posted quite a few short posts exactly like that one. While I admit to being guilty of this myself, why would an experienced player such as yourself do so without also adding something to either scumhunting or the puzzlesolving?
Sometimes there's very little to be said. Sometimes I make jokes. Sometimes I contribute to the discussion at hand.
All three things are true this game.
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Everyone non-mod OOC: For my own personal development as a mafia player, would this be considered acceptable scumhunting in a non-bastard-mod game?
In a non-bastard game, not really, no.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 11:31:49 pm
Tiruin: are you trying to get the highest post count in order to fit the profile discussed in the first couple pages here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132415.0)? Which, of note, was an observation made by the very person who is now confirmed town. Are you trying to ingratiate yourself? Some of your posts contain little to no content related to the playing of the game and are often double or even triple posts.Let me counter that statement: I am against that kind of notion (though it does hold, that town is as such due to mafia knowing more, thus would move for lesser posts). However, in my posts I've collated notes and checked the main suspects out of the general audience-up for discussion anyway; if there's any deviances to report, shout it at me.
All non-mods: Is that how Tiruin normally plays? With a large number of posts, often put up one right after the other?
And ouch, little to no context. Links please. >__> I challenge you on that point, sir. Little to no context in mafia? Oh dear, firstly thought this was undermining from you.
And no-I'm very aware of my post count, thanks. That idea didn't even crop up in my head here. :X Having 16k posts has me pessimising over myself as a spammer..which I don't think I am.QuoteEveryone non-mod OOC: For my own personal development as a mafia player, would this be considered acceptable scumhunting in a non-bastard-mod game?Yes, but not in the same methods we're using here. We don't have wincons--but scumhunting via speculation and checking out?
It's new, in my opinion.
But the flagrant posting without analysis of what's in the post? I really do think we've gone far beyond the 'hey guys let's speculate instead of scumhunt' that both notions merged into the same thing, now that we can all decide on common ground to stand on.
PPE x2
I do not like how Caz disappears just to vote NQT, because Rebel(?)
First of all, that entire string about MOWE's gender. A simple check would have sufficed, along with an apology, but instead you had 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4964890#msg4964890) 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4964892#msg4964892) 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4964903#msg4964903) posts talking about it. Earlier, there was this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952509#msg4952509), which doesn't even contain a defense of yourself or any sort of content, just a sort of "you hurt my feelings" post. The fact that I was being harsh could have been brought up via pm or turned around and questioned, but instead it is as it is. Additionally, there is this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4952842#msg4952842), which is another off topic post thanking a forum moderator: another pm possibility and not even related to the game.
My apologies if that sounded harsh, you asked for a few examples and I provided them. Should more examples be required, I can provide them.
Nothing personal, Tiruin, I will likely do this to everyone given time.
PPE: okay, makeinu, I'll take your word for the first one. The third one is what I suspected.
Post by: webadict on January 29, 2014, 11:32:03 pm
EveryoneYes.
Are you a wizard?
webadict: Do you deal in half lies-as in, is it correct to assume that you're still withholding information in things you deem as 'the truth'?Well, I clearly can't tell you EVERYTHING.
But, if you want, I might answer a question.
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz - Hapah,
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Extend Used) Leafsnail - makeinu, Tiruin,
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
notquitethere - Leafsnail, Caz, 4maskwolf,
(Extend Used) RangerCado - Toaster, notquitethere,
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
No Lynch -
Not Voting - MyOwnWorstEnemy, mastahcheese, RangerCado, HissihnWalnuts, TheDarkStar,
7 To Hammer. Day Ends Friday 9 PM Central.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 11:34:12 pm
Sorry guys, but college is hitting me hard. I should have things straightened up by tomorrow night, but just in case, extend.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 29, 2014, 11:39:57 pm
All non-mods: Is that how Tiruin normally plays? With a large number of posts, often put up one right after the other?I don't know, I haven't seen enough of her to say.
Everyone non-mod OOC: For my own personal development as a mafia player, would this be considered acceptable scumhunting in a non-bastard-mod game?
I'd think it would acceptable.
notquitethere
EveryoneI'm no wizard, and because that's what would be obvious, I'm still looking for more clues. And do you have no other comments about me? Why do you keep trying to drag me into your lynch frenzy?
Are you a wizard?
-snip-
Cheese
Your goal appears to be to hunt down evil. How about you start with the players that have claimed to be evil?
Do you really want Smstr to be remembered as That Game Where Everyone Lynched The Confirmed Town Player? Because that's where you're pushing it. Do you really think I'm the best lynch candidate?Dude, chill.
Don't start shaming people, that's not right.
Ok, I've been thinking on this quite a bit, (this is about the wincons). I think I know my wincon. Mine seems to be the defeat of Evil. NOW. Go back to the OP, and see my (the inquisitor's) flavor, it says he "doesn't follow your rules".
Think about for a second.
My rules for this game are not the same as your rules.
Why?
Because I have a normal wincon! I need to defeat the scum, like a normal freaking game!
That means you guys don't.
...
Do you see what I'm getting at here?
That means that you guys don't need to actually vote anyone in order to win, because your wincons don't require anyone to be voted out or otherwise eliminated. And it seems to me that at least a few of you have this whole "love" thing (whatever that's supposed to mean) as your wincons, and I don't think that voting people would have anything to do with that.
I think we need to focus on everyone's suggested wincons, and seeing how we can get the most of them complete.
(I was going to write up a brief summery of what seems like suggested wincons for everyone, when I realized I forgot most of them.)
I know Cado needs to find love, does someone of the opposite gender also need that? If so, how do we make that happen?
Quite frankly, my wincon seems to need 3 people gone. That would likely equate to 3 people who can't complete their own wincons, and I don't want to be greedy, so I'm fine with not smiting evil right now.
I would vote for a no-lynch, but people seem to be against that.
NQT seems to be pressing for a KILL SCUM NAO tactic, and I don't like it, particularly when you take into account his whole IF I DIE YOU ALL SO SCREWED YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW thing. I don't like it.
Leafsnail seems to be pressing for a KILL NQT NOW thing. I also don't like this. But he makes some points that I can kinda agree with.
Tiruin seems to have no wincon, at least not one that is identifiable. Although you also go up in levels, apparently. Do you know how to level up? This is most likely related to your hidden wincon.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 11:42:17 pm
1. What roles have been claimed? Level one mage, a roleplaying game reference; a fire mage (me), which is a generic wizard archetype I have seen in D&D and other places; a generic evil wizard, the staple of fantasy; a witch hunter, another fantasy archetype of sorts; and a transfigured character, another staple.
2. What has the fluff told us: magic school, my item (invisibility cloak, with obvious Harry Potter reference included in description); a pm convo I had with the mod, wherein the mod talked about the lower magical courts (as in law), and an offhanded reference to Hermione earlier in the game, I'll try to find it and link to it. Oh, and a janitor who induces fear in those it meets (Filch, anyone).
PPE: I thought that I had my wincon figured out, but the aforementioned convo with the mod debunked that hypothesis.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 11:55:38 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 11:57:18 pm
And I'm not a wizard/mage/whatever. But I apparently have a spell. And an item, and I think I know who would want said item.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 29, 2014, 11:58:20 pm
I've already stated my role information. I think I'm RangerCado's counterpart, though I don't have anything to do with the meteor. Just, my role PM implies there's nothing to be done for the meteor.Wait... who are you, then?
And I'm not a wizard/mage/whatever. But I apparently have a spell. And an item, and I think I know who would want said item.
Post by: makeinu on January 29, 2014, 11:59:58 pm
And don't forget we have a vampire as well, mastahcheese
Post by: makeinu on January 30, 2014, 12:01:38 am
Smoke that in your pipe and put it!
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 30, 2014, 12:02:26 am
PPE: are you talking to me? I don't understand that phrase... And he could be a squib :P
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 12:03:44 am
And don't forget we have a vampire as well, mastahcheese...Are you saying I'm the vampire, or reminding me that one exists?
I'm not the vampire, but I remember someone said they were, but I don't remember who.
Ninja'd, wolf said it first.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 30, 2014, 12:06:04 am
And don't forget we have a vampire as well, mastahcheese...Are you saying I'm the vampire, or reminding me that one exists?
I'm not the vampire, but I remember someone said they were, but I don't remember who.
Ninja'd, wolf said it first.
MastahCheese cancels post correction: interrupted by ninja
Post by: makeinu on January 30, 2014, 12:06:30 am
Say, Walnuts, do you sparkle in the sun, or burst into flames like a proper bloodsucker? Do we need to call in Blade, or will you just angst to death?
Post by: makeinu on January 30, 2014, 12:16:15 am
Quote
Re: Smstr W / Love : A Lovely End Of The World - Day 1 - Class Selection
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 30, 2014, 12:17:14 am
Ya know, something else just occurred to me. What the heck does this part mean?QuoteRe: Smstr W / Love : A Lovely End Of The World - Day 1 - Class Selection
I've been wondering that too. I'm sure it is related, but we aren't selecting our classes, we're in history class. Even in a more vague sense, we didn't select our roles.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 12:20:16 am
Webadict: What is the "Class selection" bit about?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 30, 2014, 12:23:26 am
I've also been kinda confused on that. It doesn't really make any sense.... you realize that questioning the mod has gotten us nowhere, right?
Webadict: What is the "Class selection" bit about?
Post by: makeinu on January 30, 2014, 12:24:16 am
I've also been kinda confused on that. It doesn't really make any sense.
Well, at least it's consistent... :o
Post by: webadict on January 30, 2014, 12:33:57 am
Webadict: What is the "Class selection" bit about?Looks like you're the winner of the one free question.
I messed it up. It should read Class Slction.
My bad.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 30, 2014, 12:41:43 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 01:52:58 am
-snip-That's the most recent notes. You like poking at recent notes. Without getting that I take pronouns seriously. :I
Nothing personal, Tiruin, I will likely do this to everyone given time.
My apologies if that sounded harsh, you asked for a few examples and I provided them. Should more examples be required, I can provide them.You'll never understand. And sure, more examples other than recent notes. Which was just noted afterwards that happened. <_<
My suspicion on you rises by 1d6.
Yeah I'm playing that nerd-stereotype out thing straight, because as y'all got nice references to famous modern media, I got fluff and cheese. :I
Anwhoo~
What you did say about me saying those irrelevancies contradicts...what you defended me against NQT earlier-about my attentiveness...
I'm not getting what meanings you're putting in your terminology though.
I believe its in the historical basis of Class--castes, so to speak. Here, we're segregating and classifying each other according to stuff'n'stuff.Webadict: What is the "Class selection" bit about?Looks like you're the winner of the one free question.
I messed it up. It should read Class Slction.
My bad.
However, the 'selection' part bugs me. 'Select' being the root word...erh.
Mr. Mozarella
Ok, I've been thinking on this quite a bit, (this is about the wincons). I think I know my wincon. Mine seems to be the defeat of Evil. NOW. Go back to the OP, and see my (the inquisitor's) flavor, it says he "doesn't follow your rules".That's actually the name of my ability (with roots in the name so...)-which doesn't make sense in that said ability works just like it normally works!
Think about for a second.
My rules for this game are not the same as your rules.
Why?
Because I have a normal wincon! I need to defeat the scum, like a normal freaking game!
That means you guys don't.
...
Do you see what I'm getting at here?
That means that you guys don't need to actually vote anyone in order to win, because your wincons don't require anyone to be voted out or otherwise eliminated. And it seems to me that at least a few of you have this whole "love" thing (whatever that's supposed to mean) as your wincons, and I don't think that voting people would have anything to do with that.
I think we need to focus on everyone's suggested wincons, and seeing how we can get the most of them complete.
(I was going to write up a brief summery of what seems like suggested wincons for everyone, when I realized I forgot most of them.)
I know Cado needs to find love, does someone of the opposite gender also need that? If so, how do we make that happen?
Quite frankly, my wincon seems to need 3 people gone. That would likely equate to 3 people who can't complete their own wincons, and I don't want to be greedy, so I'm fine with not smiting evil right now.
I would vote for a no-lynch, but people seem to be against that.
NQT seems to be pressing for a KILL SCUM NAO tactic, and I don't like it, particularly when you take into account his whole IF I DIE YOU ALL SO SCREWED YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW thing. I don't like it.
Leafsnail seems to be pressing for a KILL NQT NOW thing. I also don't like this. But he makes some points that I can kinda agree with.
Tiruin seems to have no wincon, at least not one that is identifiable. Although you also go up in levels, apparently. Do you know how to level up? This is most likely related to your hidden wincon.
And everything else is fulff! Fulff!
I mean really-the best I can infer is to stick t-..
...
Guys, I believe the Not Evil already has an (implied) wincon. What do Not-Evil people do when a meteor--or a danger presents itself?
Post by: Caz on January 30, 2014, 04:45:01 am
I do not like how Caz disappears just to vote NQT, because Rebel(?)
come at me bro
You guys are talking too damn much. 50 pages for Day1 where we basically have no information anyway on our wincons. Lynch someone or don't, whatever. NQT has been the only one to threaten us so far, so she is the #1 candidate imo. Massclaim looks better for day 2. Too many here are waiting to stand back and see what others do... 3 extends used in this day alone. It's insane.
Post by: notquitethere on January 30, 2014, 05:16:29 am
No, I was completely honest about my ability as claimed earlier.I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.Translation: "I have an advanced doppelganger type ability"
And I did. You'll understand tomorrow.I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.Bullshit. Earlier you said that you had fully claimed your role.
If there's a tracker or ability-cop in the game, they're welcome to confirm that this isn't the case.NQT: So you're not an Advanced Dopp or anything like that?Either that or some kind of Cult Leader.
I am honestly amazed that anyone is falling for NQT's lie. The idea that there exists hidden information that will somehow cause something bad to happen if one so much as hints at it is unlikely. The idea that a legitimate townie (that is, a member of the uninformed majority) would have exclusive access to this information is completely and utterly laughable.Nonsense. I just don't want to undermine town's chances by giving too much information to Team Evil right now. It'll be safe to do so tomorrow and you'll all understand why a legitimate townie has access to this information.
By claiming to have access to this information NQT is basically claiming to be true scum, regardless of whether his alignment technically lines up with that of a townie.
An entertaining exercise: imagine that NQT is town. Try to imagine what information could cause him to behave in this way. I'll go first.Not even close.QuoteIf you get lynched on day one the world will explode because ???. The world will also explode if you make any kind of direct hint towards the fact that the world will explode if you are lynched day one (but you can replace the thing about worlds exploding with a generic "bad thing" and that will be ok). The world exploding will be a bad thing for all non-evil players, who by the way are the majority in this game.
On day two this restriction is lifted and you will be allowed to talk about the world exploding if you are lynched on day one, and also the world will no longer explode if you are lynched. Again you can talk about this but if you mention any specifics about the world exploding the world will explode.
You are a Confirmed Townie and Day One Anti-JesterHalf right. I'm just a confirmed townie and that's all. I'll explain all on Day 2.
Wolf
Okay, make, maybe not you, but does anyone else (besides the sandwich) have anything that explicitly states not evil or not teenager. THIS IS NOT FOR THE TEACHERS AND FACULTY!Well, me obviously.
I agree with LeafSnail. A jester tried to pull a very similar thing in the game "kill webadict now": claiming that he had some ability in his role that would mean that killing webadict was a bad idea until he was lynched. The gambit didn't work, and he lost the game when the town won, but the morale of the story is thus: when someone claims that they have some horrible ability that you really don't or do want to lynch them because of, be wary unless you're playing a BYOR with the wall of flesh.Did I say ability? You're making false assumptions. If this was a jester gambit it'd be pretty idiotic.
NQT: why don't you tell us the details of what you are hiding from us. You claimed to have only one ability, but now you say that there is something we have to keep you alive for, and your only arguments against being lynched have been "I'm confirmed town" and "Is this really going to go down as that game where confirmed town was lynched day one".Have you been listening to a word I've said? If I tell you now it'll be as good as letting the bad thing happen! It has to wait until tomorrow. If I say now, then the forces of Evil will have information they can use in the night that will benefit them but not us.
Basically, tell us what you know/suspect. Playing the "saving it for later" card doesn't have much influence.
All non-mods: Is that how Tiruin normally plays? With a large number of posts, often put up one right after the other?Alas, yes. If Tiruin has a low amount of posts then they're almost certainly scum or have exams or both.
Everyone non-mod OOC: For my own personal development as a mafia player, would this be considered acceptable scumhunting in a non-bastard-mod game?I've certainly seen worse, but this is only Day 1 and real scum hunting only gets some momentum after there's been some flips.
Every non-mod: does anyone have a firm idea of what their wincon is, because I have no idea.Vaguely, yes. I know one thing that may cause me to lose (the Very Bad Thing), but I don't know what will cause me to win but right now I assume that eliminating the possibility of the Bad Thing coming about is a good way to go about.
Hapah
I have absolutely no idea what is going on anymore.Short version: if I die today, disaster may befall the town but I can't safely explain until Day 2, so we're going to lynch Ranger, who's claimed to be an evil meteor summoner.
Makeinu
Now I wanna lynch him just to see what happens!!It won't be good for Team Not Evil.
Tiruin
NQT: Remember that game wherein you had powers to make two people lovers and such-such? The game where you trickled claims per day in and day out? Could you explain why you 'tout' or better yet, push forward the notion that letting you live, with the promise of information, is a 'good thing' for you?I remember that game fondly. Unlike in Magic Mafia, where I peppered my role claims with small untruths to manipulate scum, I've told the absolute truth about everything so far. I'm not concerned with my long-term survival here: letting me live until tomorrow is absolutely in the benefit of any player who considers themselves Not Evil. After that, they're free to lynch me.
Caz
Why are you still voting me?
NQT has been the only one to threaten us so far, so she is the #1 candidate imo.What? I'm not threatening you! I'm saying that if I'm killed today, the chances of disaster befalling Team Evil rise considerably and that there's a very good reason for this, which I'll explain tomorrow.
Cheese
And do you have no other comments about me? Why do you keep trying to drag me into your lynch frenzy?Ugh, we're on the same side here. You want to defeat Evil, so do I. I can't see why you're not voting one of the players that has actually claimed to be evil.
Dude, chill.I'm chilled, I just know it's town's duty to ensure their fellow players don't make idiotic decisions.
Don't start shaming people, that's not right.
Because I have a normal wincon! I need to defeat the scum, like a normal freaking game!Perhaps, but I'm not entirely sure. The OP seems to indicate that we should all be hunting for meteor summoners.
That means you guys don't.
That would likely equate to 3 people who can't complete their own wincons, and I don't want to be greedy, so I'm fine with not smiting evil right now.That's very magnanimous of you but I don't think that's entirely conducive to your wincon as you understand it.
NQT seems to be pressing for a KILL SCUM NAO tactic, and I don't like it, particularly when you take into account his whole IF I DIE YOU ALL SO SCREWED YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW thing. I don't like it.I'll explain in full tomorrow. You don't have to like my methods, but I'm telling you categorically that it's in your interests most of all given your wincon.
Post by: Caz on January 30, 2014, 05:51:44 am
Caz
Why are you still voting me?NQT has been the only one to threaten us so far, so she is the #1 candidate imo.What? I'm not threatening you! I'm saying that if I'm killed today, the chances of disaster befalling Team Evil rise considerably and that there's a very good reason for this, which I'll explain tomorrow.
Webadict told us that all teenagers are Evil. Therefore the town is Evil. You are Not Evil (confirmed). Therefore you're our enemy?
I'd like to hear the very good reason for why we shouldn't nominate you.
Post by: notquitethere on January 30, 2014, 06:07:47 am
Webadict told us that all teenagers are Evil. Therefore the town is Evil. You are Not Evil (confirmed). Therefore you're our enemy?Wuba said all teenagers were evil and that if you hadn't been told you were evil then you're not. We haven't been told we're teenagers and I have a very good reason not to nominate me that I will explain in full and glorious detail on Day 2. I would seriously recommend not nominating me if you don't want an unspecified Very Bad Thing to happen and you're patient enough to wait until tomorrow to find out.
I'd like to hear the very good reason for why we shouldn't nominate you.
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 06:49:19 am
Caz
Why are you still voting me?NQT has been the only one to threaten us so far, so she is the #1 candidate imo.What? I'm not threatening you! I'm saying that if I'm killed today, the chances of disaster befalling Team Evil rise considerably and that there's a very good reason for this, which I'll explain tomorrow.
Webadict told us that all teenagers are Evil. Therefore the town is Evil. You are Not Evil (confirmed). Therefore you're our enemy?
I'd like to hear the very good reason for why we shouldn't nominate you.
Webadict told us that all teenagers are Evil. Therefore the town is Evil. You are Not Evil (confirmed). Therefore you're our enemy?Wuba said all teenagers were evil and that if you hadn't been told you were evil then you're not. We haven't been told we're teenagers and I have a very good reason not to nominate me that I will explain in full and glorious detail on Day 2. I would seriously recommend not nominating me if you don't want an unspecified Very Bad Thing to happen and you're patient enough to wait until tomorrow to find out.
I'd like to hear the very good reason for why we shouldn't nominate you.
I'm siding with NQT here. I'm not even told any vague resemblence to how I look or how old I am or-
*asks webadict for physical desc*
> Average looking fellow with brown hair.
:I
Yeeaah. Let's just assume that those who got all teenagers are evil, are evil--note 'are'.
NQT..you said 'were'?
...
?
Everyone (except Nerjin/Web): So, notes on why Cado is better than LS/TDS again, please?
how can I get cooler magic? :vwebadict: Do you deal in half lies-as in, is it correct to assume that you're still withholding information in things you deem as 'the truth'?Well, I clearly can't tell you EVERYTHING.
But, if you want, I might answer a question.
Post by: notquitethere on January 30, 2014, 07:21:08 am
NQT..you said 'were'?The whole sentence was in the past tense, so 'were' was correct. I didn't mean it in the sense of 'used to be' but in the sense of 'are'. 'If you were not told you are evil then you are not evil' would be a clearer rephrasing.
Everyone (except Nerjin/Web): So, notes on why Cado is better than LS/TDS again, please?I see your argument, that if there's a flip and Leafsnail is a meteor summoner then we'll know that evil doers are meteor summoners. I'd rather there were a consensus on this so we could hammer rather than drawing Day 1 out all the way until Friday. If people want to go for Leafsnail instead, that would be ok.
Post by: webadict on January 30, 2014, 09:44:47 am
I thought you said you liked your magic?how can I get cooler magic? :vwebadict: Do you deal in half lies-as in, is it correct to assume that you're still withholding information in things you deem as 'the truth'?Well, I clearly can't tell you EVERYTHING.
But, if you want, I might answer a question.
Also, practice makes perfect.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 30, 2014, 09:52:20 am
Post by: RangerCado on January 30, 2014, 10:40:26 am
I had an item that I could give to someone the next day to prevent their vote from counting... thats really it... Unless I have some hidden passive, I can't do much.Basically, tell us what you know/suspect. Playing the "saving it for later" card doesn't have much influence.Especially when you're an Innocent Child.
..
Sorry just couldn't help myself.
Hapah/Caz
Get in the game guys. Or at least say which parts you're confused by. :P
Because while the consensus of now points to exacts along with who-is-whos, I'm fairly doubting that the whole darn scumteam did their act as fullclaiming.
Though it is considerable that the notion of 'Evil' stands out due to the mechanics and naming. What purpose would it serve by that?
We know TDS hates NQT and is considered..evil because he knew the money makes the government (and thought evil teenager.)
I can't find any note on Leafsnail (or am blind :X)
And Cado represents one seeking for love, and also participated in the summoning.
TDS/Leafsnail are claimed wizards/magi.
Cado is not. (Semantics, maybe? Witch =/= Wizard.)
What can you do, RangerCado?
Tiruin: are you trying to get the highest post count in order to fit the profile discussed in the first couple pages here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132415.0)? Which, of note, was an observation made by the very person who is now confirmed town. Are you trying to ingratiate yourself? Some of your posts contain little to no content related to the playing of the game and are often double or even triple posts.This is how Tiruin plays from my games with her, though the elevated post count could also be due too it being a B. Mod. And I think your doing a lot better than my first game.
All non-mods: Is that how Tiruin normally plays? With a large number of posts, often put up one right after the other?
Makeinu: You, too, have posted quite a few short posts exactly like that one. While I admit to being guilty of this myself, why would an experienced player such as yourself do so without also adding something to either scumhunting or the puzzlesolving?
Everyone non-mod OOC: For my own personal development as a mafia player, would this be considered acceptable scumhunting in a non-bastard-mod game?
Short version: if I die today, disaster may befall the town but I can't safely explain until Day 2, so we're going to lynch Ranger, who's claimed to be an evil meteor summoner.And 'evil' meteor summoner who wants to find love, doesn't have a team, and may not be evil at all! ...Could Wuba be Mr. Filch in disguise?
I still don't trust NQT in this.
Post by: makeinu on January 30, 2014, 12:02:32 pm
MakeinuNow I wanna lynch him just to see what happens!!It won't be good for Team Not Evil.Quote
Caz
Why are you still voting me?NQT has been the only one to threaten us so far, so she is the #1 candidate imo.What? I'm not threatening you! I'm saying that if I'm killed today, the chances of disaster befalling Team Evil rise considerably and that there's a very good reason for this, which I'll explain tomorrow.
Well. That's an ... interesting ... slip there, NQT. Care to clarify?
Post by: notquitethere on January 30, 2014, 12:21:19 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 30, 2014, 02:27:53 pm
Makeinu:
Man, this just keeps cropping up Beatle's jokes!
*twitch*
mastahcheese:
I am the Witch Hunter, my power is basically that of the cop, in that I can inspect people's alignments. Due to the fact that all three evil people have admitted to being evil, and being a meteor summoner is not an alignment, but rather a role as RangerCado tells me, then my power has effectively become obsolete. In other words, I'm just a normal guy, now, that demands that evil be punished. Whoop de doo.
I disagree. Finding out what you get as a result and comparing it to what people claim will be useful.
4mask:
All non-mods: Is that how Tiruin normally plays? With a large number of posts, often put up one right after the other?
Yeeep.
NQT: Building on Tiruin's question where she referenced Magic Mafia and your trickle claim there, how do we know you won't open D2 with another "I LIED" like you did so often in that past game?
Also, since you claim to know a lot, you should be able to at least answer THIS question: Do we need to be puzzle solving or traditional scum hunting as a primary focus?
Tiruin:
My suspicion on you rises by 1d6.
This is an extremely vague statement.
Everyone (except Nerjin/Web): So, notes on why Cado is better than LS/TDS again, please?
Cado is evil AND a meteor summoner. Testing two things at once!
It might be time for a flavor/suspected wincon claim, but perhaps not yet. I'm still going to collect what we have.
Quote from: Flavor Claims
TheDarkStar: Male Evil wizard, lost class president election. Glad meteor is summoned. Stole Ranger's no-vote staff. Last prom date was a piece of pie.
mastahcheese: Inquisitor/Witch Hunter. Is a teenager. Can inspect "alignment."
4maskwolf: Fire mage, can destroy items, has invisibility cloak
Leafsnail: Evil Wizard
HissihnWalnuts: Bratty vampire teenage girl. has an item.
Caz: Appears to have a portable hole.
MyOwnWorstEnemy: Sandwich turned into a human. Has an item that is supposedly great for him and useless for everyone else.
RangerCado: Female Evil Meteor Summoner. Had a no-vote staff. Has hate for not finding love.
Tiruin: Male Level 1 Mage (Nerd?). Happy meteor exists.
Hapah:
Toaster:
notquitethere: Female Class President, "Town". Bribed way into office by virtue of being rich.
makeinu: Male love-struck poet. Knows meteor cannot be stopped, something about thwarted true love. Not a wizard, but has a spell and item.
Quote from: Claimed possible wincons
TheDarkStar: None known
mastahcheese: Hunt Evil
4maskwolf: None known
Leafsnail: "Kinda"
HissihnWalnuts: None known
Caz:
MyOwnWorstEnemy: Become a sandwich again.
RangerCado: Still looking for love?
Tiruin: None known
Hapah: "Not explicitly stated" - maybe something to do with items?
Toaster: Unclaimed possible wincon
notquitethere: None known
makeinu: Wants to find true love before meteor hits.
"None known" in this context means the player has claimed they have no idea what their wincon is.
Quote from: Notable things in flavor that aren't claimed
Machine/computer asking for Warmnumnum.exe
Flirt
Nerd (Unless is Tiruin)
A crown
Two other meteor summoners (At least)
Is that all correct? Did I miss anything?
Post by: makeinu on January 30, 2014, 03:41:28 pm
So that pretty much confirms TDS can't vote right now. Good to know.
Makeinu:Man, this just keeps cropping up Beatle's jokes!
*twitch*
I caught that literally the instant I hit "Post"...
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Tiruin:My suspicion on you rises by 1d6.
This is an extremely vague statement.
Arbitrary, nay, random, even.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 05:04:53 pm
Every non-mod: does anyone have a firm idea of what their wincon is, because I have no idea.I think mine is to defeat evil.
Tiruin
Mr. MozarellaRun like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one? Seek shelter?
-snip my quote-
That's actually the name of my ability (with roots in the name so...)-which doesn't make sense in that said ability works just like it normally works!
And everything else is fulff! Fulff!
I mean really-the best I can infer is to stick t-..
...
Guys, I believe the Not Evil already has an (implied) wincon. What do Not-Evil people do when a meteor--or a danger presents itself?
Everyone (except Nerjin/Web): So, notes on why Cado is better than LS/TDS again, please?I have no idea, apparently it's supposed to give us more information, but I'm not entirely convinced.
notquitethere
Cheese[1] Because I think there is more too it than just "I need to kill evil, look, he's evil, I'll kill him."And do you have no other comments about me? Why do you keep trying to drag me into your lynch frenzy?[1]Ugh, we're on the same side here. You want to defeat Evil, so do I. I can't see why you're not voting one of the players that has actually claimed to be evil.Dude, chill.[2]I'm chilled, I just know it's town's duty to ensure their fellow players don't make idiotic decisions.
Don't start shaming people, that's not right.Because I have a normal wincon! I need to defeat the scum, like a normal freaking game![3]Perhaps, but I'm not entirely sure. The OP seems to indicate that we should all be hunting for meteor summoners.
That means you guys don't.That would likely equate to 3 people who can't complete their own wincons, and I don't want to be greedy, so I'm fine with not smiting evil right now.[4]That's very magnanimous of you but I don't think that's entirely conducive to your wincon as you understand it.NQT seems to be pressing for a KILL SCUM NAO tactic, and I don't like it, particularly when you take into account his whole IF I DIE YOU ALL SO SCREWED YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW thing. I don't like it.[5]I'll explain in full tomorrow. You don't have to like my methods, but I'm telling you categorically that it's in your interests most of all given your wincon.
[2] I wouldn't call them "idiotic", they're trying to think about this situation from as many sides as possible, I'm sorry that it's not like you, who seems to have it all figured out, but to the rest of us, myself included, you aren't taking enough sides into account. You're too one-sided.
[3] Hmm, does it really? I know it seems that way, but can you think of anything else we could need to do instead?
[4] How so? I don't understand this. Also take into account that I'm not particularly all that uppity about "winning", per say. Losing is fun.
[5] That's why I'm not voting you, right now. If it turns out you're lying, then I can guarantee, I won't stop anyone from getting rid of you. But until then, I'll let you do your thing.
Toaster
That looks about right, at least from my perspective.
4Mask, also everyone else (mods not withstanding)
I agree that we do need to focus on a target. I'll try to write up a summery of why we should target anyone in particular.
TheDarkStar: He's evil, he's a wizard.
mastahcheese: I can't think of any reason killing me would give us anything, but whatever.
4maskwolf: Is a wizard, I would actually advise not killing, since his ability to burn bad items could help.
Leafsnail: He's evil, he's a wizard, he's attacking NQT.
HissihnWalnuts: I can't think of any reason.
Caz: No real reason, to me.
MyOwnWorstEnemy: No reason at all, to me.
RangerCado: Evil, and a meteor summoner.
Tiruin: Is wizard, likes the meteor. Can't think of good reason.
Hapah: No idea.
Toaster: Also no idea.
notquitethere: The "confirmed townie", doomsday claimer.
makeinu: He knows the meteor can't be stopped.
Which basically shortens down to these 4 people.
TheDarkStar: He's evil, he's a wizard.
Leafsnail: He's evil, he's a wizard, he's attacking NQT.
RangerCado: Evil, and a meteor summoner.
notquitethere: The "confirmed townie", doomsday claimer.
The three "Evil", and the "Good".
So, which one do we target? AND ALSO, who do I target?
Post by: Leafsnail on January 30, 2014, 06:03:51 pm
Are pre-teens good? Or evil? Or something in between?
Post by: Nerjin on January 30, 2014, 06:31:15 pm
Spoiler: The answer (click to show/hide)
Post by: Leafsnail on January 30, 2014, 07:28:36 pm
Post by: webadict on January 30, 2014, 07:30:36 pm
Can you provid an answr to ach individual qustion?
Spoiler: Yes (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 30, 2014, 07:49:43 pm
I think that's too the mods. So I'm gonna go ahead an answer it:Spoiler: The answer (click to show/hide)
Answered like a statistician! It also shows why you you don't ask mods questions in this game and expect a useful answer.
My attempt: Dr. Nerjin:Are pre-teens as evil as normal teenagers?
NQT:
And I did. You'll understand tomorrow.I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.Earlier you said that you had fully claimed your role.If there's a tracker or ability-cop in the game, they're welcome to confirm that this isn't the case.NQT: So you're not an Advanced Dopp or anything like that?Either that or some kind of Cult Leader.I am honestly amazed that anyone is falling for NQT's lie. The idea that there exists hidden information that will somehow cause something bad to happen if one so much as hints at it is unlikely. The idea that a legitimate townie (that is, a member of the uninformed majority) would have exclusive access to this information is completely and utterly laughable.Nonsense. I just don't want to undermine town's chances by giving too much information to Team Evil right now. It'll be safe to do so tomorrow and you'll all understand why a legitimate townie has access to this information.
By claiming to have access to this information NQT is basically claiming to be true scum, regardless of whether his alignment technically lines up with that of a townie.You are a Confirmed Townie and Day One Anti-JesterHalf right. I'm just a confirmed townie and that's all. I'll explain all on Day 2.I agree with LeafSnail. A jester tried to pull a very similar thing in the game "kill webadict now": claiming that he had some ability in his role that would mean that killing webadict was a bad idea until he was lynched. The gambit didn't work, and he lost the game when the town won, but the morale of the story is thus: when someone claims that they have some horrible ability that you really don't or do want to lynch them because of, be wary unless you're playing a BYOR with the wall of flesh.Did I say ability? You're making false assumptions. If this was a jester gambit it'd be pretty idiotic.NQT: why don't you tell us the details of what you are hiding from us. You claimed to have only one ability, but now you say that there is something we have to keep you alive for, and your only arguments against being lynched have been "I'm confirmed town" and "Is this really going to go down as that game where confirmed town was lynched day one".Have you been listening to a word I've said? If I tell you now it'll be as good as letting the bad thing happen! It has to wait until tomorrow. If I say now, then the forces of Evil will have information they can use in the night that will benefit them but not us.
Basically, tell us what you know/suspect. Playing the "saving it for later" card doesn't have much influence.Every non-mod: does anyone have a firm idea of what their wincon is, because I have no idea.Vaguely, yes. I know one thing that may cause me to lose (the Very Bad Thing), but I don't know what will cause me to win but right now I assume that eliminating the possibility of the Bad Thing coming about is a good way to go about.
HapahI have absolutely no idea what is going on anymore.Short version: if I die today, disaster may befall the town but I can't safely explain until Day 2, so we're going to lynch Ranger, who's claimed to be an evil meteor summoner.
MakeinuNow I wanna lynch him just to see what happens!!It won't be good for Team Not Evil.NQT has been the only one to threaten us so far, so she is the #1 candidate imo.What? I'm not threatening you! I'm saying that if I'm killed today, the chances of disaster befalling Team Evil rise considerably and that there's a very good reason for this, which I'll explain tomorrow.
I'll explain in full tomorrow. You don't have to like my methods, but I'm telling you categorically that it's in your interests most of all given your wincon.
-multiple other replies to the same questions with the same answers-
There's a lot here that bugs me. Why can't you explain? What can you tell us about it? There are most likely things that you can tell us that will convince us, but you don't. I'm guessing that something in your role description involves either surviving and being lynched day 2 or later or an ability that will help you starting day 2. Could you please explain, and also explain why it was necessary to bring attention to that fact that you needed to live? It's simply suspicious to say that under no conditions must you be lynched today while you are "confirmed" Not Evil anyway.
The most likely one of the above scenarios is that you are a jester. You'll probably say something like "Well, it didn't happen". You have also said that lynching you in the future is fine, but just not today. Possibly, you are a (to borrow the term) a "muggle" that is depressed because you are with wizards who can do things you can't. You've already said that you have no other abilities.
The next most likely thing is that there is actually something going on (I'll get to that later with some questions).
The least likely thing is an ability that only works starting day 2. This is unlikely, since you're been claiming otherwise, unless you are a meteor summoner (which doesn't seem likely).
Questions about the "very bad thing" (20 questions time!):
Does it involve people dying?
Would the town be helped if they knew it?
Is it a scum ability?
Does it involve roles?
Does it involve identities?
Does it involve genders?
Does it involve wincons?
Why do you not care about being lynched after tonight? Will it be revealed to the town tomorrow?
Would the scum possibly know this already but not realize that you know it?
Answer what you can and see if you can give a more convincing argument that prevents you from being a jester.
(OOC) 4maskwolf:
Everyone non-mod OOC: For my own personal development as a mafia player, would this be considered acceptable scumhunting?
Not really. If someone seems scummy, say things to get them to reveal more. Be confident in your scumhunting. Also, make sure you read people's posts thoroughly; make sure to check for slips and contradictions to what has been said before.
Post by: Nerjin on January 30, 2014, 08:20:34 pm
My attempt: Dr. Nerjin:Are pre-teens as evil as normal teenagers?
Dr. Nerjin is not in the room with the students and, therefor, cannot be questioned by them. Please direct questions to either the mods or other players.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 30, 2014, 08:23:50 pm
My attempt: Dr. Nerjin:Are pre-teens as evil as normal teenagers?
Dr. Nerjin is not in the room with the students and, therefor, cannot be questioned by them. Please direct questions to either the mods or other players.
Ok. Mods: Are pre-teens as evil as normal teenagers?
Seriously, this is supposed to be a school, and yet it's impossible to learn anything!
Post by: makeinu on January 30, 2014, 08:29:26 pm
My attempt: Dr. Nerjin:Are pre-teens as evil as normal teenagers?
Dr. Nerjin is not in the room with the students and, therefor, cannot be questioned by them. Please direct questions to either the mods or other players.
Ok. Mods: Are pre-teens as evil as normal teenagers?
Seriously, this is supposed to be a school, and yet it's impossible to learn anything!
Not true. You've learned how unhelpful the teachers are!
Post by: Nerjin on January 30, 2014, 08:33:08 pm
Ok. Mods: Are pre-teens as evil as normal teenagers?]
It's distinctly possible. We're teaching you how to learn. You don't do that if we just GIVE you the answers. Sure I could tell you that to win you must [REDACTED] and then [REDACTED] the [REDACTED] in my girlfriend's favorite pie tin, #[Redacted] and then boom! You win. BUT that would ruin the experience.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 30, 2014, 08:38:15 pm
Nerjin: Well then...
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 08:59:01 pm
-snip-I'm not actually happy the meteor exists. It seems I can't flavor-action it in.
Please don't ignore my query humans.
Everyone (except Nerjin/Web): So, notes on why Cado is better than LS/TDS again, please?
\>It's in the idea. I got more suspicious of him. :v
Tiruin:My suspicion on you rises by 1d6.
This is an extremely vague statement.Everyone (except Nerjin/Web): So, notes on why Cado is better than LS/TDS again, please?
Cado is evil AND a meteor summoner. Testing two things at once!
> BUT, what if the eithertwo flip meteor summoner then, huh? Even if not, then we can conclude a lot more than flipping a claimant-that, and we already have a claimant tomorrow if stuffs goes awry in the night given our variance.
Post by: Toaster on January 30, 2014, 09:47:54 pm
Toaster: most of the others have fluff-claimed, why do you continue to not do so?
Because a full fluff claim hasn't been called for. I have no problem claiming if everyone does. Why are you giving Hapah and Caz a pass and not me?
Tiruin:
> BUT, what if the eithertwo flip meteor summoner then, huh? Even if not, then we can conclude a lot more than flipping a claimant-that, and we already have a claimant tomorrow if stuffs goes awry in the night given our variance.
What if they do? What if they don't? That's not actually a reason either way.
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 09:52:24 pm
3 people claimed Evil. This denotes that 'hey, why would they claim if its all in truth? Pretty strange.'
What a Cado lynch says would bias against those who had the 'Evil' point in their PMs. "Evil; thus Meteor Summoner"
What either a TDS/LS lynch would confirm is 'Evil is a subjective point and some of the Non Evils lied' if they aren't summoners, and if they are...Well.
Post by: Silthuri on January 30, 2014, 09:54:36 pm
Just to clear up all gender issues with me, in real life, I am 100% female. As a sandwich, however, I have no gender.
I am currently reading through what I missed the past couple days, but I can safely say, regretfully, I vote Cado. I think with him being evil and a summoner, we can learn the most from his lynching. I'm still not sure about this NQT vs. LS thing.
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 10:07:40 pm
Just to clear up all gender issues with me, in real life, I am 100% female. As a sandwich, however, I have no gender.OH, Now I get what other people implied by the sandwich.
...
>_>
Still, sorry about that MOWE. :X
I am currently reading through what I missed the past couple days, but I can safely say, regretfully, I vote Cado. I think with him being evil and a summoner, we can learn the most from his lynching. I'm still not sure about this NQT vs. LS thing.It's in the strength of their arguments. NQT is or seems to be strange due to bastardry-of-game other than not, and LS' is fully pushing for his lynch.
Though..from 'evil' + 'summoner', I fairly doubt we'll learn anything else than 'Hey, Cado told the truth!'
Hence why I'm pushing for the alternative--mass-vote the other two!
Also unless we're sure NQT's role in flavor cannot dictate how the lynch goes, (which..somehow makes sense if we mass-voted her. And why the 'promises') All that she did announce was a peaceful end but an information++ end, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4959425;topicseen#msg4959425) which also is good for that case.
Though that does undermine the rudeness to my attentiveness. :I
So...thoughts?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 30, 2014, 10:22:20 pm
If neither is useful, then we'll know in one lynch instead of two.
Also, while there are reasons to lynch Cado that are based on the game, there are reasons to lynch NQT too. Cado is my first choice, since we'll learn a lot from his death, but NQT is just acting odd. NQT is suspicious for his "You better not lynch me or else you all lose (but go ahead and lynch me after today), but seriously, there's nothing to ask. Really." attitude that makes it questionable if he actually has anything to say or if he is just a variant of a jester who only wins if lynched on or after day 2.
Post by: Toaster on January 30, 2014, 10:28:07 pm
It is, actually.
3 people claimed Evil. This denotes that 'hey, why would they claim if its all in truth? Pretty strange.'
What a Cado lynch says would bias against those who had the 'Evil' point in their PMs. "Evil; thus Meteor Summoner"
What either a TDS/LS lynch would confirm is 'Evil is a subjective point and some of the Non Evils lied' if they aren't summoners, and if they are...Well.
We don't know what, if anything, flips on death. Lynching Ranger has the advantage of testing multiple things. If he flips Evil, great, that must be what we're after. If he flips Meteor Summoner, ditto. If he doesn't flip at all, I ask for a replacement. (Not really, but I usually don't like no-flip games.)
Basically, what TDS said.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 10:29:24 pm
The reason being is that (which Tiruin already bloody stated before, if anyone was listening) is that Cado claims to be both Evil and a Meteor Summoner.
So, what is gained by lynching them?
If they are telling the truth, we confirm that Cado was both Evil and a Meteor Summoner.
If Cado is lying (which makes no sense to me) then we find out something is not as Cado says, but this seems really unlikely.
If we lynch someone other than Cado, namely Leafsnail or DarkStar, then we'll see one of the following.
They turn out to be Evil and a Meteor Summoner. WOW! Now we know they are related, and not just for one person, now we have information!
Or, they turn out to be Evil but not a Meteor Summoner. Now we know that there is a second part of the puzzle, which wouldn't be gained by lynching Cado.
OR OR, they turn out to not even be evil, in which case we have bastards for mods.
So, WHAT I PROPOSE.
We lynch either Leafsnail or DarkStar, (don't really care which) and I will use my inspect ability on Cado, to see whether I can use it to root out meteor summoners, or just evil.
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 10:32:37 pm
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Personally, I think lynching Cado will be more useful because any announcement from it will probably hint at which part was useful, if any. Also, if you lynched me, you'd also learn that "Hey, TheDarkStar told the truth!" too, which is not much different than what you'd get from Cado.If this was the case, I expected to see arguments from either you or LS about the Non Evils being meteor summoners--I saw none, other than 'Hey, NQT is suspicious!'. Which is why I'm doubting the obvious-truths in why lynching Cado, over a similar Evil-claimant, would merit more of a benefit.
I mean, wat. Why would a meteor summoner claim? >__> The implications are crazy unless:
> He has something to gain from it.
> He wants to help. (You can't just give up)
> Some ability he has, would work in that scenario. So far I can't see any.
NQT is suspicious for his "You better not lynch me or else you all lose (but go ahead and lynch me after today), but seriously, there's nothing to ask. Really." attitude that makes it questionable if he actually has anything to say or if he is just a variant of a jester who only wins if lynched on or after day 2.It's far to inappropriate as a general setting to conclude that NQT is a jester. The game could've taken any which way, and him being a jester is just darn weird.
In other words: "We voted a clown for president" is also bad. :c
PPE: x2
Woo! Support!
Tiruin:But it becomes a linear tie in. Consider why he claimed. Next, the 'we don't know' part is somewhat pulled up by flavor in page 5. That NQT has decision over the mass-vote. Which is, in the most rational way, why he's doing this promise-scheme.It is, actually.
3 people claimed Evil. This denotes that 'hey, why would they claim if its all in truth? Pretty strange.'
What a Cado lynch says would bias against those who had the 'Evil' point in their PMs. "Evil; thus Meteor Summoner"
What either a TDS/LS lynch would confirm is 'Evil is a subjective point and some of the Non Evils lied' if they aren't summoners, and if they are...Well.
We don't know what, if anything, flips on death. Lynching Ranger has the advantage of testing multiple things. If he flips Evil, great, that must be what we're after. If he flips Meteor Summoner, ditto. If he doesn't flip at all, I ask for a replacement. (Not really, but I usually don't like no-flip games.)
Basically, what TDS said.
Post by: Toaster on January 30, 2014, 10:45:01 pm
In other words: "We voted a clown for president" is also bad. :c
Clearly you are unfamiliar with American politics.
Why Ranger claimed. I don't know- why did he claim?
Ranger: Why did you claim?
Post by: webadict on January 30, 2014, 10:47:40 pm
“Sup bitches! I’m your new sub!” Vectoria announced as she sat on Mr. Badict’s desk causing it to bend inwards. Less due to the thin frame of Vectoria. More to do with the large tome that was sitting on her lap.
“Hello Vectoria.” NotQuiteThere said in annoyance. It wasn’t that Vectoria was a bad teacher but… She had a habit of simply reading fanfiction instead of teaching the students. Or worse… reading it aloud.
“Yeah, whatever princess. Anyway guess what I got today from Mr. Badict!”
“Are they dating?” One of the students asked.
“Ew. No. But once Mr. Badict was dating a pine-tree for six months without realizing it. Until it snuck into his room one night and tried to… ‘seal the deal’ eh?” Vectoria waggled her eyebrows at this. None of the students reacted.
“Well, needless to say,” she continued, “It was a sticky situation. But no! He got me this book full of stories! I’m gonna read you one about Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom and Pterrordractyl!”
“Ugh…” The class groaned in unison. This couldn’t end well.
“I could get Dr. Nerjin back in here if you’d prefer…”
“No!” The class shouted in unison.
“No! Please, regale us with your tales!” Notquitethere pleaded.
“Well since you ask so nicely, shut up! All of you! Let’s get this party started!” She began to read.
Pterrordractyl flew high above the civilized continent with a malign grin upon his twisted features. Daily he would swoop upon the farmers stealing food, drink, houses, identities, intellectual property, and even children (who would be returned later with rather poor attitudes towards their elders). It was a good life for him. He spotted a
“You are mine!” The dark shadow screeched as he approached.
“Oh no! A dark shape! If only a handsome Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom, could save me!” The
Almost as if on cue Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom plummeted from the sky playing five V-neck guitars, four bassoons, and beating Super Ghosts and Goblins with one hand. In his other hand he held his legendary Blazer! This laser sword made a constant “woooooooing” noise as Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom landed.
“Oh! Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom, you’re back!” Pterrordractyl shouted.
“Oh! I’m sweating in all the right ways now!” The sexy pinkette sighed contently.
“Yes, it is I, Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom. I have been called by a grand technomancer to put an end to your... Why hello there.” Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom took his attention away from Pterrordractyl and focused all his attention on the beautiful woman. “And just who are you?”
“My name is Ms. Vectoria.” The woman smiled.
“Well what are you doing after this?”
“Don’t ignore me!” Pterrordractyl shouted in anger.
“Very well. Let us finish this once and for all.”
“Let’s.”
The two titans stared at eachother for several moments. Suddenly Pterrodractyl charged Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom and landed a savage blow. His second tore Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom's throat wide open. His third and final blow eradicated him.
At least that was the plan. In reality merely attempting to harm Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom caused Pterrordractyl to explode into deep dish pizzas for all the families he had hurt.
Robosaurus turned away from this and said to the pinkette “So babe, wanna go get a sandwich?”
“Mmm, I’ll have a sandwich with you any day.”
“How do you feel about subs?”
“I am a sub.” Vectoria moaned.
“Oh? A teacher?”
“That too.”
Robosaurus grinned “Well better behave, or you might get some… detention.”
"Oh my god!" interrupted the brat.
Vectoria slammed the book shut, screaming "No, your father never loved you!" before running out of the room.
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz - Hapah,
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Extend Used) Leafsnail - makeinu, Tiruin,
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
notquitethere - Leafsnail, Caz,
(Extend Used) RangerCado - Toaster, notquitethere, MyOwnWorstEnemy,
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
No Lynch -
Not Voting - mastahcheese, RangerCado, HissihnWalnuts, TheDarkStar, 4maskwolf,
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Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 10:48:30 pm
Tiruin:This made me laugh.In other words: "We voted a clown for president" is also bad. :cClearly you are unfamiliar with American politics.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 10:51:31 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 30, 2014, 10:54:53 pm
QuotePersonally, I think lynching Cado will be more useful because any announcement from it will probably hint at which part was useful, if any. Also, if you lynched me, you'd also learn that "Hey, TheDarkStar told the truth!" too, which is not much different than what you'd get from Cado.If this was the case, I expected to see arguments from either you or LS about the Non Evils being meteor summoners--I saw none, other than 'Hey, NQT is suspicious!'. Which is why I'm doubting the obvious-truths in why lynching Cado, over a similar Evil-claimant, would merit more of a benefit.
I mean, wat. Why would a meteor summoner claim? >__> The implications are crazy unless:
> He has something to gain from it.
> He wants to help. (You can't just give up)
> Some ability he has, would work in that scenario. So far I can't see any.NQT is suspicious for his "You better not lynch me or else you all lose (but go ahead and lynch me after today), but seriously, there's nothing to ask. Really." attitude that makes it questionable if he actually has anything to say or if he is just a variant of a jester who only wins if lynched on or after day 2.It's far to inappropriate as a general setting to conclude that NQT is a jester. The game could've taken any which way, and him being a jester is just darn weird.
In other words: "We voted a clown for president" is also bad. :c
PPE: x2
Woo! Support!Tiruin:But it becomes a linear tie in. Consider why he claimed. Next, the 'we don't know' part is somewhat pulled up by flavor in page 5. That NQT has decision over the mass-vote. Which is, in the most rational way, why he's doing this promise-scheme.It is, actually.
3 people claimed Evil. This denotes that 'hey, why would they claim if its all in truth? Pretty strange.'
What a Cado lynch says would bias against those who had the 'Evil' point in their PMs. "Evil; thus Meteor Summoner"
What either a TDS/LS lynch would confirm is 'Evil is a subjective point and some of the Non Evils lied' if they aren't summoners, and if they are...Well.
We don't know what, if anything, flips on death. Lynching Ranger has the advantage of testing multiple things. If he flips Evil, great, that must be what we're after. If he flips Meteor Summoner, ditto. If he doesn't flip at all, I ask for a replacement. (Not really, but I usually don't like no-flip games.)
Basically, what TDS said.
1. Obviously, there are more meteor summoners; possibly some of these are ones who claim Not Evil (how many have claimed that, anyway?). Being evil and summoning the meteor are completely independent. Some evil people want to rule the world, not destroy it, and some Not Evil people could have been tricked/coerced/thought it was a good idea/see destroying the world as "good" (as in, the world is so bad it has to die, or (with a smaller meteor) the school of magic is too dangerous and has to be destroyed).
2. Why is voting a "clown" for the president so unusual? He bribed you guys (and girls), remember?
3. Check with the people who have not given role info yet to see if they are good or evil. I suspect that "evil" is a red herring because only one of us three evil people claims to have summoned the meteor (I can't vouch for LS, though).
4. Lynching Cado is useful because it checks two things at once rather than one. Also, as for why he claimed meteor summoner, could it be that the scum are just as confused as the town? Maybe Cado claimed because he wanted to check if he was scum or not? There's always the possibility of a jester-type role, but I don't see that as too likely; Cado comes across as simply confused (like most of us). Is Cado going to roleclaim more than "I'm not a wizard" soon?
5. Explain that last bit. NQT claims to have no other abilities besides being confirmed Not Evil. He also acts suspicious about his claim of "something bad" and hasn't made a convincing claim that there is actually something besides "I can't tell you, but really, it's there."
Sorry about my rambling; I'm going to be gone for the next several hours and want to sum up my thoughts so far.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 11:00:59 pm
I can inspect him, the fact that he's both evil and a summoner would make him a good choice for a lynch, to test two things at once, but, he's also my best shot at finding out if my power can actually help us or not.
All I ask is that you give me one night for an inspection, and then we lynch him. Is that acceptable? It could help us a lot for future days.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 30, 2014, 11:04:23 pm
Well, I'll reiterate why I don't think a Cado lynch is a good idea right now.
I can inspect him, the fact that he's both evil and a summoner would make him a good choice for a lynch, to test two things at once, but, he's also my best shot at finding out if my power can actually help us or not.
All I ask is that you give me one night for an inspection, and then we lynch him. Is that acceptable? It could help us a lot for future days.
Who do you recommend dies otherwise?
Also, I have an alternate idea: Kill Cado and see if either things comes up. Next, you check me or LS and see if you get the same thing. If you do, then I'm scum and don't know it (but I doubt it, because that would make evil people uninformed minority scum). If not, then you know to check for meteor summoners. Depending on the message from killing Cado, the additional check might not even be necessary, and you can use tonight to check someone else.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 11:07:14 pm
If I inspect you, then what if it doesn't tell me about the summoner possibility, but only the evilness?
If I inspect Cado, then I know exactly how useful my power is, I can't know that by checking anyone else. It wouldn't be the same.
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 11:08:18 pm
Hey D:<Tiruin:This made me laugh.In other words: "We voted a clown for president" is also bad. :cClearly you are unfamiliar with American politics.
I meant in context. NQT isn't, and I doubt that the jester scenario is, doing it legitimately.
Also you are unfamiliar with Philippine politics, including the senate. It is a travesty. :'(
I got the joke.
2. Why is voting a "clown" for the president so unusual? He bribed you guys (and girls), remember?...I think you're the only one with that note. I don't remember...anything.
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4. Lynching Cado is useful because it checks two things at once rather than one. Also, as for why he claimed meteor summoner, could it be that the scum are just as confused as the town? Maybe Cado claimed because he wanted to check if he was scum or not? There's always the possibility of a jester-type role, but I don't see that as too likely; Cado comes across as simply confused (like most of us). Is Cado going to roleclaim more than "I'm not a wizard" soon?@Orange: Which are? || You should also remember that I doubt your claim of not being the summoner.
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5. Explain that last bit. NQT claims to have no other abilities besides being confirmed Not Evil. He also acts suspicious about his claim of "something bad" and hasn't made a convincing claim that there is actually something besides "I can't tell you, but really, it's there."I see it as a null-move. Scum/Town in a position of power would be wise not to divulge the whole set of cards.
webadict: Your fanfiction is silly. :I
Post by: webadict on January 30, 2014, 11:09:03 pm
webadict: Your fanfiction is silly. :IIt's not my fanfic.
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 11:09:07 pm
How're you so sure that you'll live through the night Mr. Cheese? You're...blatantly telling the plan out.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 30, 2014, 11:14:11 pm
But my point is that I'm not sure if my check will reveal meteor summoners, evil people, or both.
If I inspect you, then what if it doesn't tell me about the summoner possibility, but only the evilness?
If I inspect Cado, then I know exactly how useful my power is, I can't know that by checking anyone else. It wouldn't be the same.
Ok, I think I see what you are saying; we should probably let him live tonight. Who is your alternate lynch candidate?
I'm advocating for NQT to be lynched now, since I highly doubt that a role whose only point is to be known as Not Evil also contains information that is vital for the non-scum people and would basically cause the game to be lost (that's basically the implication I get) if we find out early what it is, especially since there's no detail on why explaining would be so bad (it would be nice to at least know what kind of things would result, wouldn't it?).
I'll FoS NotQuiteThere since I can't vote.
PPE:
Tiruin: The two things that I guessed would be checked are meteor summoner and Evil. Also, MastahCheese is dead at this point either way if there's no protection role and his guess is right.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 30, 2014, 11:14:45 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 11:19:17 pm
Tiruin: Also, NQT admitted to bribing people after I brought it up....Yes. And nobody's speaking about it.
But we can infer that this whole Evil/non-evil system is weird and crazy-and that the town is implicitly those without a wincon. Work for the greater good and all.
Tiruin: The two things that I guessed would be checked are meteor summoner and Evil. Also, MastahCheese is dead at this point either way if there's no protection role and his guess is right.I gave him my passive/active ability of surviving a NK-why I never talked about it is that said ability just hints that people can be attacked.
Because it did say 'attacked'. But I am defenseless in the same so :x It's like a gift-ability. No he won't know it until later post-day.
Anyway.
I'm advocating for NQT to be lynched now, since I highly doubt that a role whose only point is to be known as Not Evil also contains information that is vital for the non-scum people and would basically cause the game to be lost (that's basically the implication I get) if we find out early what it is, especially since there's no detail on why explaining would be so bad (it would be nice to at least know what kind of things would result, wouldn't it?).No matter how silly NQT is-I doubt jester. Next, no matter how silly NQT is, his case holds up better than LS' case against him.
Next, no matter how silly NQT is-it can be a generality inferred that he has an important point in this game.
He gets speshul flavor mention. Hence why I'd like NQT to transfer his non-lethal mass vote mandate to LS/TDS to test if flavor really has connections to people!
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 11:20:24 pm
EBWOP:I'm not. But the way I see it, there's a 50/50 chance of my ability being totally worthless anyway, that I wouldn't care.
How're you so sure that you'll live through the night Mr. Cheese? You're...blatantly telling the plan out.
Better me than someone who has a more useful power under their sleeve. That's how I see it.
As for who to actually vote for, I don't know. I can see reasons to vote NQT, reasons to vote TDS, and reasons to vote LS.
I just don't know.
Post by: RangerCado on January 30, 2014, 11:20:30 pm
Tiruin:Because I believe theres something more too this puzzle than just lynch the meteor summoners. Why else would we all not know our wincons outside of heavy flavour scrutiny? Lynch me, you MAY have found someone evil, but you did kill a summoner. I may go into WIFOM territory here, but what if you need atleast 1 meteor summoner to undo this mess? All I can figure out for my wincon is I want to find love, which I really can't do if i'm dead. I'm willing to fully cooperate and undergo any tests or screening our 'Not-Evil's' can think of, I might not even be evil! If you are blocked or redirected, it would not be by me.In other words: "We voted a clown for president" is also bad. :cClearly you are unfamiliar with American politics.
Why Ranger claimed. I don't know- why did he claim?
Ranger: Why did you claim?
Theres also the chance that I could be the cleaverest Jester ever and am using previous meta of claiming day 1 or 2 getting me lynched... But I hate meta, and don't think that far ahead.
My vote goes to Leafsnail, as I believe he actually is evil and claimed for similar reasons to my own... or HE'S A JESTER... I need more sleep...
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 11:23:21 pm
..Actually, that sounds like an interesting bastard game concept, now that I think of it.))
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 11:23:40 pm
All I can figure out for my wincon is I want to find love, which I really can't do if i'm dead.*flails arms*
Hello? Potential lover standing right here!
I like you as a friend but if we all have to die because lolmeteor then hey, I'm ok with treating you..um, like that. I think.
My WIFOM meter did not ping. Do you believe me that I believe you yet?Ranger: Why did you claim?Because I believe theres something more too this puzzle than just lynch the meteor summoners. Why else would we all not know our wincons outside of heavy flavour scrutiny? Lynch me, you MAY have found someone evil, but you did kill a summoner. I may go into WIFOM territory here, but what if you need atleast 1 meteor summoner to undo this mess? All I can figure out for my wincon is I want to find love, which I really can't do if i'm dead. I'm willing to fully cooperate and undergo any tests or screening our 'Not-Evil's' can think of, I might not even be evil! If you are blocked or redirected, it would not be by me.
((Secretly, the mods made everyone a jester! Only the person who is lynched day 1 can win!No it is not. :I
..Actually, that sounds like an interesting bastard game concept, now that I think of it.))
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 11:26:10 pm
((Oh, come on, a game where everyone wants to die? It's be utter chaos as everyone starts claiming completely ridiculous stories. At least it'd be fun to read afterwards.))((Secretly, the mods made everyone a jester! Only the person who is lynched day 1 can win!No it is not. :I
..Actually, that sounds like an interesting bastard game concept, now that I think of it.))
Post by: RangerCado on January 30, 2014, 11:29:04 pm
Web/Nerjin: I ask Tiruin out on a date! Does it work?
And I forgot to color the Leafsnail vote.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 30, 2014, 11:35:05 pm
If anything gets fishy, we'll be sure to kill NQT for you.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 30, 2014, 11:42:39 pm
PPE:This doesn't actually explain NQT's actions because there's no "if I tell you bad thing will happen" element. The point I'm making is that NQT's role would have to be ridiculously convoluted for what he's saying to be remotely true.QuoteYou are an innocent child type mage. However, there is something extra special and bad that will happen if you are lynched day one, but I won't tell you what it is, so have fun!
Also, Leafsnail, if all he had to do was survive the night, why would he claim so much outrageous hoopla? Ranger easily could have been lynched without him going crazy.Because NQT is not a very good scum player. He accidentally overclaimed a bit earlier by saying he's a confirmed townie and know he's frantically making shit up to avoid being lynched.
1. This is a linear scenario that would only happen in certain cases. It would not be a semi-bastard if such conclusions were to be drawn, as the consequences would be too high to validate a general case formed during the first darn day.I don't understand any of this. My point is that NQT's role must be at least as complex as the one I posted, and that the one I posted is already ludicrously complex for a townie.
2. ...The silliness is paramount to destroying the laws of physics. Basing details on my role-even IF I'm a mage, my powers are restrained by the laws of physics and reality--I had to go to darn medical school then engineering to get this passive/active power. :I
3. Basis lies in NQT's actions - he did that before as town (and with silliness abundant in how in the world this makes sense.
A. Metaknowledge. Bastard games are not won by directly pulling knowledge from other games, and imputing the notion of 'It could happen here!' as a standing point! They are used as guidelines, but not for concise and clear judgement!The meta-argument I'm making is appealing to the core, underlying idea of mafia: the informed minority as scum. NQT's role as he has claimed it obviously isn't town. I challenge you to find me any other game, bastard or non-bastard, in which a legitimate townie has way more knowledge than anyone else.
To not cause any hilarity in this process, Leafsnail: What are your thoughts on TDS and RangerCado? Why are you poking so focusedly at NQT?My thoughts are that they are two players in the same position as me and there's no real reason to suspect either of them. I am focusing on NQT because he is obviously scum, and if he survives today it would be a travesty.
Counterpoint on why NQT behaves that way: It's a quirk(?) of his in living. It would be too far to profess that he's shoving WIFOM due to his action, in how obstinate he said it-and how bold he was being. While I'd not include the emotional aspect; my kind of information also leans on that being an affector to his behavior earlier--lacking motivation.He is repeatedly contradicting himself and the role he has claimed is clearly scum. You can't just reason that away with "well NQT does strange things sometimes".
I do not know how, or why NQT behaves that way nor can I give a rational reason why he's doing so. However I can base on past experiences. NQT: Remember that game wherein you had powers to make two people lovers and such-such? The game where you trickled claims per day in and day out? Could you explain why you 'tout' or better yet, push forward the notion that letting you live, with the promise of information, is a 'good thing' for you?
All non-mods: Is that how Tiruin normally plays? With a large number of posts, often put up one right after the other?Yeah.
Everyone non-mod OOC: For my own personal development as a mafia player, would this be considered acceptable scumhunting in a non-bastard-mod game?It's not obviously bad but I wouldn't say it's likely to find scum either.
Every non-mod: does anyone have a firm idea of what their wincon is, because I have no idea.Yeah, NQT does. Because he's totally a legitimate townie who also happens to have way more knowledge than the rest of us.
Guys, I believe the Not Evil already has an (implied) wincon. What do Not-Evil people do when a meteor--or a danger presents itself?All sorts of things, Not Evil is incredibly vague.
And you obviously can't give any more information before that because you're a Confirmed Townie Day One Anti-Jester Who Has a Post Restriction That Will Also Trigger The Anti-Jester PartAnd I did. You'll understand tomorrow.I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.Bullshit. Earlier you said that you had fully claimed your role.
If there's a tracker or ability-cop in the game, they're welcome to confirm that this isn't the case.(by tomorrow it will be too late, that's why NQT's going all out in preventing his lynch today)
Nonsense. I just don't want to undermine town's chances by giving too much information to Team Evil right now. It'll be safe to do so tomorrow and you'll all understand why a legitimate townie has access to this information.
Have you been listening to a word I've said? If I tell you now it'll be as good as letting the bad thing happen! It has to wait until tomorrow. If I say now, then the forces of Evil will have information they can use in the night that will benefit them but not us.This is rich, you are admitting that you have more knowledge than the people you are accusing of being in the scumteam. Almost like, I dunno, you are the actual scum. Also, it's completely at odds with your previous explanation of why you aren't allowed to say it.
If I explain now, it's quite likely the terrible thing will still happen. If you lynch me now it's likely to happen. Be patient. It's just one more day.
Not even close.Well yeah your actual role doesn't actually include anything like that at all, does it.
Half right. I'm just a confirmed townie and that's all. I'll explain all on Day 2.So in other words we can lynch you and nothing bad will happen. Well, I suppose something bad will happen to you, because you'd lose.
I'll explain in full tomorrow. You don't have to like my methods, but I'm telling you categorically that it's in your interests most of all given your wincon.So you have specific information on mastahcheese's wincon too? It's almost like you have tonnes more information than any of the rest of us!
So...thoughts?Vote for NQT instead because he is scum. Seriously, try to imagine what his role PM would look like if he's telling the truth. Try to imagine why an actual townie would have so much more information than anyone else.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 30, 2014, 11:44:38 pm
Leafsnail, I hold nothing against you, and you've made some excellent points, but frankly, I need Cado to live just slightly more than I need you to.If you agree with my arguments then lynch NQT today. By tomorrow it will probably be too late.
If anything gets fishy, we'll be sure to kill NQT for you.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 30, 2014, 11:47:21 pm
Post by: Nerjin on January 31, 2014, 12:04:38 am
Web/Nerjin: I ask Tiruin out on a date! Does it work?
That's not really for us to decide.
@Tiruin do you accept Cado's advances?
webadict: Your fanfiction is silly. :I
Hi, I writed things. I make words go with words and be more words!
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 12:06:59 am
You seem to have silly net advances.
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Post by: Nerjin on January 31, 2014, 12:08:30 am
Shhh.... Is secret.
Post by: RangerCado on January 31, 2014, 12:12:52 am
((Whys this in another thread?))
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Post by: mastahcheese on January 31, 2014, 12:19:23 am
Here's what I've thought about, after reading Leafsnail's reply.
We lynch Leafsnail/TDS.
- We get rid of an evil person, see if we get roleflips
- NQT either explains why he prevented his lynch so much, or says "lol, I lied" and we find out that was a bad choice.
We lynch NQT
- We still have 3 evil people, and we'll see if we get roleflips.
- We either find out that we just killed our confirmed townie and caused the apocalypse, or we find out we just stopped the apocalypse, and then go back to what we were doing.
So, risks vs. rewards.
Lynch Evil - risk, NQT is bigger evil, reward, took out confirmed evil, two more to go.
Lynch NQT - risk, NQT is right, and something bad will happen, reward, possibility of NQT having been lying, and we just stopped something horrible.
Overall, it really boils down to if NQT is telling the truth or not.
Whether we get rid of evil or not, we still won't be finished.
But if Leafsnail is right, then NQT could become too large a problem to handle. If he's wrong, who knows what could happen? NQT knows, and he isn't telling us.
So, quite frankly, I'm going to change my vote and join team Evil for this one, and vote NQT.
We can always get rid of team evil next, whatever unspecified bad thing it is that might happen, I doubt it will cause us to have absolutely no chance of winning.
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 12:39:15 am
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My thoughts are that they are two players in the same position as me and there's no real reason to suspect either of them. I am focusing on NQT because he is obviously scum, and if he survives today it would be a travesty.I'll counterpoint this before anything else:
> He's the class president. If he gets lynched and turns up Meteor Summoner (which is all moot against your note on 'Why does anyone think there will be roleflips?'; which I've to round the question back to you as we're all under the notion of information from voting) then what? Innocent Child as meteor summoner is darn silly and goodness, it complicates everything further. Why?
- The bastardry. His actions, while spotty, are incongruent with that of a true scum player. I've seen his attitude, or daresay, his rant (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4962870;topicseen#msg4962870) regarding his attitude and mindset. And it clicks, for the arguments he presents.
- I believe you missed my note?
#1 pertains to the exact scenario we have here. The suspicion on NQT is too unfounded, and very specific, for it to be a generality-assumption. Meaning: I can't believe that NQT is scum given everything that happened recently, and the scenario in question 'NQT is scum' leads to more nothingness than something gleaned (but you get bragging rights, and are justified to stuff this up our impudent faces, ok?). 'This' (#1, first word) pertains to the scenario you've set out (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4964730#msg4964730). That NQT is scum because he's seemingly the informed majority.1. This is a linear scenario that would only happen in certain cases. It would not be a semi-bastard if such conclusions were to be drawn, as the consequences would be too high to validate a general case formed during the first darn day.I don't understand any of this. My point is that NQT's role must be at least as complex as the one I posted, and that the one I posted is already ludicrously complex for a townie.
2. ...The silliness is paramount to destroying the laws of physics. Basing details on my role-even IF I'm a mage, my powers are restrained by the laws of physics and reality--I had to go to darn medical school then engineering to get this passive/active power. :I
3. Basis lies in NQT's actions - he did that before as town (and with silliness abundant in how in the world this makes sense.
I present a counterpoint. What is Town? What is Scum? Scum wish to live and ruin town, killing them off or outnumbering because that seems like its always the right thing in Mafia. Town wishes to do the good thing and get Mafia out because they know more.
It does not follow-in this context. NQT is only one person, and if such is to be assumed-then the scumteam is either hilariously overpowered (and more like bastard-Bellsounder-esque in the mechanics of this game), or that's a one-man scumteam. TDS is the only other member here who knows of NQT's rise to power-Money! And him and RangerCado both share their "evil"ness -- "they read it wrong", where it = 'all teenagers are evil'.
...Post restriction?!And you obviously can't give any more information before that because you're a Confirmed Townie Day One Anti-Jester Who Has a Post Restriction That Will Also Trigger The Anti-Jester PartAnd I did. You'll understand tomorrow.I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.Bullshit. Earlier you said that you had fully claimed your role.
Hmm, while I'd say Leafsnail may be under bias due to past role-influence, I'm also curious about this NQT-Why do you keep on forwarding that your existence (non-lynchiness) is crucial to survival of teams? If such is the case, you're an elevated townsman that requires our protection and stuff.If there's a tracker or ability-cop in the game, they're welcome to confirm that this isn't the case.(by tomorrow it will be too late, that's why NQT's going all out in preventing his lynch today)Nonsense. I just don't want to undermine town's chances by giving too much information to Team Evil right now. It'll be safe to do so tomorrow and you'll all understand why a legitimate townie has access to this information.Have you been listening to a word I've said? If I tell you now it'll be as good as letting the bad thing happen! It has to wait until tomorrow. If I say now, then the forces of Evil will have information they can use in the night that will benefit them but not us.This is rich, you are admitting that you have more knowledge than the people you are accusing of being in the scumteam. Almost like, I dunno, you are the actual scum. Also, it's completely at odds with your previous explanation of why you aren't allowed to say it.If I explain now, it's quite likely the terrible thing will still happen. If you lynch me now it's likely to happen. Be patient. It's just one more day.Not even close.Well yeah your actual role doesn't actually include anything like that at all, does it.
This is contradicted on two matters:
> Town wins as a majority-the offer of 'don't lynch me and info tomorrow' is a bad proposal. Why do you do so? I doubt that this game lacks doctors or whatever who can protect on the matter to alleviate any worry about you being forcefully shutup.
> We are as curious as the seemingly Evil dudes here on your agenda, NQT. While I'm against LS' arguments, we're still in the dust and-yes-it is tempting to believe his side, if he is scum.
PPE x5
>__<
I seriously believe NQT is a prime-part of scum wincon for some reason :/
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 12:40:10 am
Yes I do BUT NOT NOW, MAKE IT AT DUSK TOMORROW!Web/Nerjin: I ask Tiruin out on a date! Does it work?
That's not really for us to decide.
@Tiruin do you accept Cado's advances?
Also votecount thx. ^^
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 12:42:14 am
TBH, I thought you wrote it but wanted to poke at webadict. :3webadict: Your fanfiction is silly. :I
Hi, I writed things. I make words go with words and be more words!
You so silly Nerjin. But your comedic value is so original it is funny. ;3
But really, I like your flavor.
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 01:24:29 am
NQT: Move that mandate on RangerCado onto either Leafsnail or yourself before the day ends in a majority-hammervote or a lynch.
Post by: makeinu on January 31, 2014, 02:10:20 am
As such, I'm having real problems with NQT's claims. I'm not convinced of the whole Very Bad Thing, given there's only a promise of "tomorrow" for elucidation. That doesn't satisfy me. And that's without considering the shifting sands under his arguments and the slips I've seen.
I want something more from you about this Very Bad Thing, NQT.
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2014, 04:01:17 am
This isn't a self-preservation thing, it's a furthering-what-I-believe-to-be-town's-wincon thing. I'm resolutely not going to give the forces of Evil any further information. It will probably be disastrous if you lynch me now, but it will certainly be disastrous if I give away too much information at this juncture and you let me live.
Know this: I am confirmed Not Evil and I am working against Evil. If you want to work against Evil too, don't vote me and don't try to pressure me into giving away information to Team Evil.
Post by: Caz on January 31, 2014, 04:29:11 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2014, 04:41:54 am
Post by: Caz on January 31, 2014, 07:43:59 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2014, 08:30:57 am
I'm resolutely not going to give the forces of Evil any further information. It will probably be disastrous if you lynch me now, but it will certainly be disastrous if I give away too much information at this juncture and you let me live.
I'm not telling you anything because giving away this information right now would be worse than me being lynched. If you can wait until tomorrow, I'll say then.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 31, 2014, 08:58:38 am
This isn't a self-preservation thing, it's a furthering-what-I-believe-to-be-town's-wincon thing. I'm resolutely not going to give the forces of Evil any further information. It will probably be disastrous if you lynch me now, but it will certainly be disastrous if I give away too much information at this juncture and you let me live.This contradicts what you said earlier
If I explain now, it's quite likely the terrible thing will still happen. If you lynch me now it's likely to happen. Be patient. It's just one more day.(bolding mine)
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2014, 09:17:04 am
Post by: Leafsnail on January 31, 2014, 09:20:15 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2014, 09:25:21 am
Post by: Leafsnail on January 31, 2014, 09:44:14 am
Post by: Silthuri on January 31, 2014, 11:34:35 am
We don't all have to kill each other, but we can't all win. I don't think there's a way to stop the meteor. We all have things we have to do before the meteor hits. The title is "A lovely end of the world" The world is ending. I don't think we can stop it. But we all have our own way to win, but we can't all win. Mastahcheese has to kill evil, but Ranger seems to only want to find love. His condition is directly related to makeinu's condition. I'm not done reading yet, but this seems like it makes sense. At least in my head.
BTW... does anyone know any magic that can turn me back into a sandwich?
Thoughts, anyone?
Post by: Toaster on January 31, 2014, 11:51:02 am
Well, I'll reiterate why I don't think a Cado lynch is a good idea right now.
I can inspect him, the fact that he's both evil and a summoner would make him a good choice for a lynch, to test two things at once, but, he's also my best shot at finding out if my power can actually help us or not.
All I ask is that you give me one night for an inspection, and then we lynch him. Is that acceptable? It could help us a lot for future days.
The catch is you can apply the same argument to the lynch. It will show one, both, or neither, and we won't know until we test it. At least the lynch can't be nightkilled.
MOWE:
BTW... does anyone know any magic that can turn me back into a sandwich?
No, but I'll eat you anyway.
MOWE, may I eat you? (Since that appears to be the case- we have to ask permission)
Post by: Leafsnail on January 31, 2014, 12:53:38 pm
Thoughts, anyone?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCLoNOYcVQU (warnings: NSFW, rapidly flashing images)
Your theory is plausible though, there certainly hasn't been any suggestion that the apocalypse is avoidable. I guess I'll claim my implied wincon - I think I want to find friendship and hang out with people. But my weird habits usually put them off.
> He's the class president. If he gets lynched and turns up Meteor Summoner (which is all moot against your note on 'Why does anyone think there will be roleflips?'; which I've to round the question back to you as we're all under the notion of information from voting) then what? Innocent Child as meteor summoner is darn silly and goodness, it complicates everything further. Why?Because this is a bastard game. NQT's massive surplus of knowledge and position of power suggest to me that he's the bastard scum, ie someone we don't want to keep alive. The "information" from the lynch is secondary, but lynching scum always gives you better info.
- The bastardry. His actions, while spotty, are incongruent with that of a true scum player. I've seen his attitude, or daresay, his rant (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4962870;topicseen#msg4962870) regarding his attitude and mindset. And it clicks, for the arguments he presents.It doesn't though. If he thinks this game is like Bellsounder then his actions make no sense, because he's made no attempt at all to solve the puzzle behind the game (the thing that the town would have had to do to solve Bellsounder). All he's done is vote for the people who have claimed one particular arbitrary alignment.
- I believe you missed my note?
#1 pertains to the exact scenario we have here. The suspicion on NQT is too unfounded, and very specific, for it to be a generality-assumption. Meaning: I can't believe that NQT is scum given everything that happened recently, and the scenario in question 'NQT is scum' leads to more nothingness than something gleaned (but you get bragging rights, and are justified to stuff this up our impudent faces, ok?). 'This' (#1, first word) pertains to the scenario you've set out (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4964730#msg4964730). That NQT is scum because he's seemingly the informed majority.Informed minority. NQT is the only person claiming Good or Townie.
I present a counterpoint. What is Town? What is Scum? Scum wish to live and ruin town, killing them off or outnumbering because that seems like its always the right thing in Mafia. Town wishes to do the good thing and get Mafia out because they know more.Yeah, technically NQT may actually be "town", in that he wants to eliminate "scum". Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that, ultimately, to the majority of players in this game, he is scum.
See: Don't Out Guess the Mod Mafia. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=44336.msg849187#msg849187) Pandarsenic's alignment was "town" (he needed to eliminate all serial killers), but in order for any other player to win he had to die. That meant he was essentially scum from the perspective of the people playing that game.
It does not follow-in this context. NQT is only one person, and if such is to be assumed-then the scumteam is either hilariously overpowered (and more like bastard-Bellsounder-esque in the mechanics of this game), or that's a one-man scumteam. TDS is the only other member here who knows of NQT's rise to power-Money! And him and RangerCado both share their "evil"ness -- "they read it wrong", where it = 'all teenagers are evil'.I don't understand that "or" clause. Bellsounder had a one-man scumteam (me). But if NQT does have allies (perfectly possible, although I'd still rather lynch NQT first because he's probably the strongest member of the team) I don't think it's the Evil people, considering that I am not his ally.
...Post restriction?!He can't tell us why we can't lynch him today.
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2014, 12:59:12 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 31, 2014, 01:01:13 pm
NQT: which would be more disastrous: you getting lynched/nk'd and nobody hearing it, or just telling us now?
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2014, 01:03:29 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 31, 2014, 01:05:43 pm
Wolf, just telling you now.What if the day ends in a no-lynch and and night actions, or a bunch of blocked night actions? What then? Will you tell us then? Or can you only tell us once we lynch RangerCado, NQT?
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2014, 01:07:49 pm
Post by: Hapah on January 31, 2014, 01:10:20 pm
Yeah, getting any info out of the mods is kind of a pain in the ass and is frustrating me to no end. I've no idea what I'm supposed to do (maybe I need a blazer? Someone find me a blazer), and this thing has turned into a 55-page in Day 1 (more than Limerick on Day 4) threadnaught. When does this day end?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 31, 2014, 01:10:42 pm
No one needs to be lynched, it just has to be not-today.Am I the only one who finds this ridiculous? NQT is claiming that he knows something that will ruin the "town" today, but tomorrow it will be fine, even if the situation does not change. Care to explain how this is even possible, NQT?
Post by: RangerCado on January 31, 2014, 01:14:27 pm
Also, I don't have post restrictions Leafsnail, I just don't want to give you dangerous information.Isn't the whole thing of being 'Town' to not care about your own self preservation, which is what you withholding information is directly doing! Your stating that your not going to tell anyone something of apparent importance until tomorrow, causing everyone to either trust you enough to not kill you. Your just buying time to me, and this:
No one needs to be lynched, it just has to be not-today.Is being hypocritical as you lead a campaign to lynch me. What the heck! ...I'm guessing your being defensive about this because you have a night action, or YOUR one of the other summoners.
Post by: Silthuri on January 31, 2014, 01:38:42 pm
MOWE:BTW... does anyone know any magic that can turn me back into a sandwich?
No, but I'll eat you anyway.
MOWE, may I eat you? (Since that appears to be the case- we have to ask permission)
Well all it says is that I want to be an "edible device," I would assume this is what I want. But let's not jump to conclusions. I want to be more sure of this before I agree to let you eat me. Ask me again tomorrow.
Post by: Toaster on January 31, 2014, 01:46:10 pm
I'm the Robot. That's me asking for Warmnumnum.exe. I am genderless, so don't try to seduce me or anything.
My possible wincon is either to find that file (the library is missing) or possibly to eat some warm num nums. Supposedly I eat batteries, but a sandwich could qualify- hence why I want to eat you!
Does anyone have a battery item or some sort of electronic data item?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 31, 2014, 01:53:23 pm
Eh, might as well claim. I was slow to do it since I can't really dribble bits out...
I'm the Robot. That's me asking for Warmnumnum.exe. I am genderless, so don't try to seduce me or anything.
My possible wincon is either to find that file (the library is missing) or possibly to eat some warm num nums. Supposedly I eat batteries, but a sandwich could qualify- hence why I want to eat you!
Does anyone have a battery item or some sort of electronic data item?
Is the way you were created specified? Or why you are at a magic school?
Post by: Toaster on January 31, 2014, 02:30:55 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 31, 2014, 02:50:33 pm
No. My flavor is entirely written as an initialization sequence, running through various checks and such. The only notable thing is that I apparently don't identify myself as a robot... I guess since no one looks at me and says "Hey look, it's a robot!"Ah. And the mods won't tell us anything at all...
Unfortunate. Also, I'm pretty sure the day ends in less than 12 hours.
Post by: Nerjin on January 31, 2014, 03:15:56 pm
Ah. And the mods won't tell us anything at all...
You know, there's no need to lie. We've given you TONS of information. Just none of it is useful. Why? Because no one asks it in Haiku.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 31, 2014, 03:19:01 pm
Ah. And the mods won't tell us anything at all...
You know, there's no need to lie. We've given you TONS of information. Just none of it is useful. Why? Because no one asks it in Haiku.
I asked in haiku. You told me that my character knew that, and why was I asking you.
Post by: webadict on January 31, 2014, 03:23:51 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 31, 2014, 03:27:09 pm
For those not evil
What is the ultimate goal
What is our true aim?
At the end of day
The student that is chosen
Is their true self seen?
What is the ultimate goal
What is our true aim?
At the end of day
The student that is chosen
Is their true self seen?
Post by: Nerjin on January 31, 2014, 04:40:07 pm
NerjinFor those not evil
What is the ultimate goal
What is our true aim?
At the end of day
The student that is chosen
Is their true self seen?
For the first question
I would guess it all depends
Love, Live, Food, Angels
For the second one
I am not really quite sure
Please ask Webadict
I would guess it all depends
Love, Live, Food, Angels
For the second one
I am not really quite sure
Please ask Webadict
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 31, 2014, 05:05:43 pm
NerjinFor those not evil
What is the ultimate goal
What is our true aim?
At the end of day
The student that is chosen
Is their true self seen?For the first question
I would guess it all depends
Love, Live, Food, Angels
For the second one
I am not really quite sure
Please ask Webadict
WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH WHOAH WHAT? I thought those things ate worlds.
Ehem...
Why would one of us
in all their infinite smarts
want an angel now?
Post by: Toaster on January 31, 2014, 05:06:33 pm
For those not evil
What is the ultimate goal
What is our true aim?
At the end of day
The student that is chosen
Is their true self seen?
What is the ultimate goal
What is our true aim?
At the end of day
The student that is chosen
Is their true self seen?
Post by: Nerjin on January 31, 2014, 05:22:14 pm
Why would one of us
in all their infinite smarts
want an angel now?
Signed up for the game
Mask does not want to think hard
Should I play for you?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 31, 2014, 05:28:48 pm
I was asking whyWhy would one of us
in all their infinite smarts
want an angel now?
Signed up for the game
Mask does not want to think hard
Should I play for you?
Not asking your opinion
thank you very much
:P
Post by: webadict on January 31, 2014, 06:11:38 pm
WUBA WUBA WUBAI am not Nerjin.For those not evil
What is the ultimate goal
What is our true aim?
At the end of day
The student that is chosen
Is their true self seen?
I don't do this haiku thing.
I hate meta, too.
How about this, though:
You play your character right
And I'll answer things.
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2014, 06:25:50 pm
We've tried playing this the mafia-meta way: let's see what happens when we try playing our characters.
Mr Web Badict, sir I'm sorry to report that my classmates are getting out of hand: can we resume our lessons now? If the end of the world is coming I want to pass all my classes first...
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 31, 2014, 06:33:31 pm
You Guys Just Don't Get It
This isn't a self-preservation thing, it's a furthering-what-I-believe-to-be-town's-wincon thing. I'm resolutely not going to give the forces of Evil any further information. It will probably be disastrous if you lynch me now, but it will certainly be disastrous if I give away too much information at this juncture and you let me live.
Know this: I am confirmed Not Evil and I am working against Evil. If you want to work against Evil too, don't vote me and don't try to pressure me into giving away information to Team Evil.
What don't we get? How is "don't lynch me OR ELSE" not self-preservation, and how does knowing something important that no one else does make you town? Also, you are not actually answering questions; instead, you just tell people that you can't tell them anything. I had a post with multiple questions to you that I still want answered (this one: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4967601#msg4967601 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4967601#msg4967601)). There is simply not a good enough reason to believe you when you give zero evidence or details for your claim.
PPE: Mr. Badict, are we going to correct yesterday's homework (if we got any)? Also, when will the lesson start?
OOC: Well, it looks like this will be even LONGER. Should we try to hit 75 pages before the end of day 1?
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 31, 2014, 06:38:03 pm
Post by: webadict on January 31, 2014, 07:23:47 pm
Mr Web Badict, sir I'm sorry to report that my classmates are getting out of hand: can we resume our lessons now? If the end of the world is coming I want to pass all my classes first...I've already sent in a substitute teacher. Is he not doing his job or what? Also, I thought I heard Vectoria...
I would say to review the First Battle of Terra, but you probably won't have time to take the quiz at the end of the week.
PPE: Mr. Badict, are we going to correct yesterday's homework (if we got any)? Also, when will the lesson start?I only had you read the chapter on Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom, but it looks like a lot of you never did that.
Mr. Badict, why can you not be present right now? What is holding you up? We all enjoy your lectures!I'm not present because there's a rather high chance of showers. Looks like I'll be teaching you from... Err... Home."
Post by: Caz on January 31, 2014, 07:26:55 pm
Mr Web Badict, sir I'm sorry to report that my classmates are getting out of hand: can we resume our lessons now? If the end of the world is coming I want to pass all my classes first...Are you a watcher or something?
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 31, 2014, 08:05:29 pm
A lot has happened, and lots of votes were changed.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 31, 2014, 08:08:07 pm
TheDarkStar asks it
The total vote count of this
Because he is confused
Post by: Toaster on January 31, 2014, 09:24:05 pm
How about this, though:
You play your character right
And I'll answer things.
Scanning enviroment...
Twelve other lifeforms found. ForeachLifeform(x) GetLifeformIdentity(x) ... Lifeforms = Human
Searching database for objective. .. ... Objective not found. Error analysis underway. .. ...
Data corrupted. Remedial steps underway. GetSolutionFromEnviroment. .. ...
Solution found. Contacting outside authority. Speech module online.
"Mr. Badict, Requesting directive."
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 09:28:25 pm
"Mr. Badict, if a meteor of such dimensions that it would fill our sky and be easily apparent to the casual onlooker is summoned-what would be the relative strength of the summoner? Or does the answer lie in the container (ie a book) in which the summoning occurs?
If the second question is a yes, why can we not view it at this desired time?
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 09:35:59 pm
Wow this feels evil. :/
But it is time for payback. :I
Leafsnail
A single point (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4969051#msg4969051) of yours lies in what NQT is not willing to disclose--problem being, if your team (ie Team Evil; whom I am sure at least has the possibility to attack other people in the night due to my power), then who is to say that you haven't lied about this groupchat, and are able to take advantage of flailing town?
Addressing the concept as a whole-I doubt that in a bastard game there wouldn't be a distinction as said in the first MOD post about Not Evil//Evil. Sure, morality can be discussed here but the push against NQT (who I also don't like for using bad wording and 'promises' [seriously, dude. If you're town, you have to work harder than {let me live until tomorrow then you'll understand} because that concept is easily breakable against multiple voices. Granted, said voices aren't presenting that good of a premise) is one that falters.
I stand by what I said before--the scenario is too linear for it to be a general possibility that NQT-if she lives until tomorrow-will grow 'stronger' and become 'evilevilbad' scum.
DO NOT LYNCH NQT, HUMANS. ALSO, NQT, EXTEND YOUR MANDATE THAT YOU DID ONTO LEAFSNAIL. LYNCH LEAFSNAIL.
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 09:42:32 pm
MOWE's classic. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4969311#msg4969311) We don't -have- to kill. However this is unsure if hammers are in play--but it may be alleviated by NQT's "decision", as hinted here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.60) Yeah, it may be crazy--but imagine a game wherein all players aren't lynched but still continue to speak despite roleflipping. I choose to follow that decision, better.
Another note (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4969501#msg4969501) however, is NQT's infallibility to give information. I hope my definition of inconsiderate doesn't hold here-but know this: when we have absolutely nothing (in varying intervals of nothing) to follow, then it is solely up to good judgement to fix the case out. Leafsnail does make good arguments--it doesn't hold however on how this solely makes NQT scum in lieu of the lack of a passing class day.
...
Mr Badict: If I may speak against our class president-whom I mean no malice- (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4970473#msg4970473)what differences exist between a summoned meteor of any easily-available schoolbook and a real meteor? Are there any sections of which in history which details the differences in summoning?
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 09:43:32 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 09:46:09 pm
It's not like we exist here!
Post by: Leafsnail on January 31, 2014, 09:48:26 pm
LeafsnailSo as far as I can tell what you're saying is
A single point (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4969051#msg4969051) of yours lies in what NQT is not willing to disclose--problem being, if your team (ie Team Evil; whom I am sure at least has the possibility to attack other people in the night due to my power), then who is to say that you haven't lied about this groupchat, and are able to take advantage of flailing town?
"You're attacking NQT because he's refusing to tell us about knowledge he claims he has. But what if you happen to be hiding knowledge yourself, hmm?? What then? I'm not going to provide any actual argument to suggest that you're hiding this knowledge, though."
I don't have a team or a groupchat or the ability to attack people. That's why I didn't believe that evil = scum from the very beginning.
Addressing the concept as a whole-I doubt that in a bastard game there wouldn't be a distinction as said in the first MOD post about Not Evil//Evil.You're saying you don't think the moderator would be misleading in a bastard game? Ok.
Sure, morality can be discussed here but the push against NQT (who I also don't like for using bad wording and 'promises' [seriously, dude. If you're town, you have to work harder than {let me live until tomorrow then you'll understand} because that concept is easily breakable against multiple voices. Granted, said voices aren't presenting that good of a premise) is one that falters.I like how you keep making points against NQT but still blindly follow him. Do the two of you have a groupchat?
I stand by what I said before--the scenario is too linear for it to be a general possibility that NQT-if she lives until tomorrow-will grow 'stronger' and become 'evilevilbad' scum.So you're categorically stating that conversions aren't a thing in this game. Why? How do you know?
DO NOT LYNCH NQT, HUMANS. ALSO, NQT, EXTEND YOUR MANDATE THAT YOU DID ONTO LEAFSNAIL. LYNCH LEAFSNAIL.This is just straight-up panicking.
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 09:57:08 pm
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"You're attacking NQT because he's refusing to tell us about knowledge he claims he has. But what if you happen to be hiding knowledge yourself, hmm?? What then? I'm not going to provide any actual argument to suggest that you're hiding this knowledge, though."Or your wincon is to eliminate NQT.
I don't have a team or a groupchat or the ability to attack people. That's why I didn't believe that evil = scum from the very beginning.
But can you explain why I get the idea that scum can get people out? Meaning: Prevent them from GOING TO SCHOOL?
I cast doubt on both of your cases-to be exact, but I choose to believe the probably hilarious lesser-evil that NQT, is actually evil scum.
Now can you not summarize me wrongly and address me in turn?
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I like how you keep making points against NQT but still blindly follow him. Do the two of you have a groupchat?How droll!
^ ^
<3 you too Leafsnail~
Nope. I only have a groupchat with myself and myself. We talk a lot, you see.
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You're saying you don't think the moderator would be misleading in a bastard game? Ok.I'm saying they're answering us straight yet we're asking all sorts of branching questions that it diverges from the main idea of the game.
Check back-hit me with what mechanics you see are wrong.
And I like how you assume me out and conclude. <3 you too, by the way! :D
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So you're categorically stating that conversions aren't a thing in this game. Why? How do you know?Hmm? No, I never said that but in the case of 'NQT growing stronger'-she also says it's ok for me to die tomorrow. Detail to me how that breaks conversions with this weak modus of reasoning.
Also, looking at all probabilities in general-such a situation wouldn't come if:
> NQT wasn't being so narrowminded and self-caring about her own life that she would also consider what we are thinking and would only address either recent spats against her or you.
> You didn't raise such a nice tangent made up of minor statements to debunk NQT, actually, being town.
It does not match-her reactions prior to when I detailed bastard game = doubt on him (and instead to label me as inattentive, or probably an ignorant ::) I do like labels NQT.)
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This is just straight-up panicking.And this is straight up concluding.
What happened to the questioning-Leafsnail I grew to know and love?
You seem abound in declarative sentences.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 31, 2014, 11:09:06 pm
What I'm saying is NQT is being too narrowminded to consider how deep a hole you're digging her into, and needs a bit (ok a lot) of rope to save her hide. :I
Could you explain why you are trying so hard to save someone who is behaving so scummy? You're doing all you can to defend NQT, no matter what NQT does. Why would you be doing this despite indications of him lying?
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 11:40:13 pm
Next: The scumteam seems out against him (if scumteam == Evil)
Also, what 'scummy'? Him panicking and saying information presented? For all I know despite its apparent and obvious weakness, which he addressed to me here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4965443;topicseen#msg4965443), and which I see none of those against him even speak about, it makes sense that he's under pressure and is acting like it-not that he won't lose (which AGAIN is not addressed by those against him, as if those against him rely on ignorance and idleness for a lynch [eww.])
Check this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4968749#msg4968749) What I see from those against him are focus more on the 'you guys just don't get it' and less on everything else he said. (99% = more, 1% = less)
He refuses to speak-let him not speak. I fail to see how transparency is a scumtell, or on how it rationally equals him being scum. If that's a scum ploy, it will be remembered as the cheapest and worst cases of play ever.
But that is not why I defend him.
Look for yourself, TDS- do you refute, or even try to do so, at Leafsnail? What about Cado? I have seen lacking interaction from those acclaimed 'Team Evil' on each other's notes--especially that on Leafsnail as his case seems to lead against NQT; everyone else who isn't Not Evil equal interaction with everyone else.
Tell me, what do you see in NQT, TDS?
Could you explain why you are trying so hard to save someone who is behaving so scummy? You're doing all you can to defend NQT, no matter what NQT does. Why would you be doing this despite indications of him lying?Because the orange part is a strawman--or undermining and concluding what I said before getting to know it in its entirety.
I want to know your viewpoint, Mr.
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 11:41:41 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on February 01, 2014, 01:17:14 am
Honestly, all this has boiled down to (for me at least) is a massive WIFOM soup of incomprehensible origin.
Is NQT telling the truth?
Is LS telling the truth?
Who else could be lying?
You know what? Really what I want to know?
I vote for NQT, Leafsnail, RangerCado, and TheDarkStar. All at once.
Let's see what happens.
Votecount, yo.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 01:40:51 am
I'm really trying to think of what to say that I haven't already.How's about voting Leafsnail right now then NQT?
Honestly, all this has boiled down to (for me at least) is a massive WIFOM soup of incomprehensible origin.
Is NQT telling the truth?
Is LS telling the truth?
Who else could be lying?
You know what? Really what I want to know?
I vote for NQT, Leafsnail, RangerCado, and TheDarkStar. All at once.
Let's see what happens.
Votecount, yo.
Because really-the lack of, or delay in votecounts are really hanging this up. D:
Still, good point to forward.
...
I thought we can only vote one?
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 03:23:56 am
lynch nqt because lulz
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 03:40:13 am
Caz. Why do you make me cry sometimes.
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 03:51:52 am
Caz. Why do you make me cry sometimes.
It's a learned skill.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 05:01:43 am
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 05:18:50 am
Do you have nothing else to add?! :'(
*a paper aeroplane hits you in the head*
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 05:36:22 am
And for making me laugh at this.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 01, 2014, 08:37:27 am
Innocent Child. That, and his actions do not equal him playing as scum--his actions a long time before, by the way.
Next: The scumteam seems out against him (if scumteam == Evil)
Also, what 'scummy'? Him panicking and saying information presented? For all I know despite its apparent and obvious weakness, which he addressed to me here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4965443;topicseen#msg4965443), and which I see none of those against him even speak about, it makes sense that he's under pressure and is acting like it-not that he won't lose (which AGAIN is not addressed by those against him, as if those against him rely on ignorance and idleness for a lynch [eww.])
Check this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4968749#msg4968749) What I see from those against him are focus more on the 'you guys just don't get it' and less on everything else he said. (99% = more, 1% = less)
He refuses to speak-let him not speak. I fail to see how transparency is a scumtell, or on how it rationally equals him being scum. If that's a scum ploy, it will be remembered as the cheapest and worst cases of play ever.
But that is not why I defend him.
Look for yourself, TDS- do you refute, or even try to do so, at Leafsnail? What about Cado? I have seen lacking interaction from those acclaimed 'Team Evil' on each other's notes--especially that on Leafsnail as his case seems to lead against NQT; everyone else who isn't Not Evil equal interaction with everyone else.
Tell me, what do you see in NQT, TDS?Could you explain why you are trying so hard to save someone who is behaving so scummy? You're doing all you can to defend NQT, no matter what NQT does. Why would you be doing this despite indications of him lying?Because the orange part is a strawman--or undermining and concluding what I said before getting to know it in its entirety.
I want to know your viewpoint, Mr.
1. You say that his actions do not make him scum for sure? Well, the same argument goes for RangerCado. Their actions have simply made them suspicious.
2. What are you talking about in the first part of the second paragraph? He has given NO information past the fact that the very bad thing exists.
3. Seemingly good point there, but look at the end of NQT's post: "If you want to work against Evil too, don't vote me and don't try to pressure me into giving away information to Team Evil." He is saying that 1. he "knows" that Evil is scum (and how would he know this?), and 2. under pressure is when actual town reveals things fully, while scum tend to do everything them can to stay alive.
4. What has he actually said besides "Don't ask me anything else about this thing only I know" and "You don't get it"?
5. He refuses to speak and give good reasons to defend him. "Not speaking" tends to mean "I can't say anything they will believe", and it would surprise me if he was non-scum and had unbelievable info, since that would make him part of an informed majority (which is a bad idea for good mafia games).
6. You're talking about him being transparent. However, I'm having trouble seeing this - he almost completely refuses to make new answers for questions and hints at knowing more than he says. Also, the same arguments apply to everyone who has claimed evil (especially Cado), but to a larger extent - I've told everything I know, and the other Evil people seem to have done the same. NQT does not do this; instead, he simply points out over and over again "I know something you don't, but I won't tell you".
7. I was advocating a Cado lynch earlier, but Mastahcheese convinced me to wait until tomorrow. As for not saying much to them, I have not said much to a lot of other people, either. Following your logic, half the players are scum. Also, can you clarify the statement about interaction? I think you missed a word there somewhere, and I can't figure out half of what it says.
8. You defend NQT, but not for the reasons that have nothing to do with whether he's scummy or not. Instead, you defend him because other people are pointing out his scumminess. Again, why would you do this?
9. I see either scum or a day 2 jester in NQT. I have detailed this many times before. Read please.
10. What do you mean by it being a strawman? You have done nothing against NQT. I've seen only one or two posts where you communicate with him. Instead, it seems assumed that he knows what you are doing. Also, rather than saying "I didn't say everything", just say what you wanted to.
I'm still having trouble understanding your playstyle - there is not much logic from what I see. Mind explaining why you'd want to defend NQT when people presents arguments against him?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 01, 2014, 10:29:37 am
Also, unvote.
Mr. Badict, can we begin our lesson? It's almost as interesting as burning the homework.
Post by: Nerjin on February 01, 2014, 03:46:39 pm
D&D (which I never played)
If you ever sign up for DnD on the Forum Games and Roleplaying section of the forum [PbP] please tell me! I'd love to play with you. Pretty new at it myself.
Ms. Vectoria: Do you have any references as to any kind of summoned entities destroying the world? Other than the Pterrordactyl? Or dinosaurs? More on: Meteors or heavenly bodies?
Ms. Vectoria seems to be ignoring the class. Her nose buried deep within the book on her lap. Her giggling indicates that you probably don't want to know what she's reading right now. She briefly looks up from the book though when you address her "What about meteors?"
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 01, 2014, 05:00:28 pm
Wuba: How many classes do we have a day?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 01, 2014, 08:39:49 pm
Administrator,
when does this class end today?
I lost my schedule.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 08:41:48 pm
She briefly looks up from the book though when you address her "What about meteors?"[/i]"What do you think about the one outside in the sky?"
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 09:54:20 pm
She briefly looks up from the book though when you address her "What about meteors?"[/i]"What do you think about the one outside in the sky?"
THERE'S A METEOR OUTSIDE????!!?!?!?? HAAHHAAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA QUIT KIDDING AROUND SIR/LADY TIRUIN!
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 10:19:34 pm
She briefly looks up from the book though when you address her "What about meteors?"[/i]"What do you think about the one outside in the sky?"
THERE'S A METEOR OUTSIDE????!!?!?!?? HAAHHAAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA QUIT KIDDING AROUND SIR/LADY TIRUIN!
Tiruin points outside, and really points you towards semantics of Mr. Badict. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4959134#msg4959134)
Post by: Silthuri on February 01, 2014, 10:29:13 pm
Please don't ignore my query humans.Everyone (except Nerjin/Web): So, notes on why Cado is better than LS/TDS again, please?
Sorry... for some reason, I never noticed this...
As far as I know, Cado is the only one who's admitted to being both Evil and a summoner. Sure, we would mostly figure out just how he was telling the truth, but we'd also find out what lynching does. For all we know, it doesn't do anything.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 01, 2014, 10:44:54 pm
Tiruin:Please don't ignore my query humans.Everyone (except Nerjin/Web): So, notes on why Cado is better than LS/TDS again, please?
Sorry... for some reason, I never noticed this...
As far as I know, Cado is the only one who's admitted to being both Evil and a summoner. Sure, we would mostly figure out just how he was telling the truth, but we'd also find out what lynching does. For all we know, it doesn't do anything.
Mastahcheese (I think it was him, at least) offered to inspect Cado tonight to see what he gets (so likely what defines scum) and recommended that someone else be lynched today.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 10:48:19 pm
Tiruin:...Funny thing, NQT made it 'not' do anything with his mandate towards Cado.Please don't ignore my query humans.Everyone (except Nerjin/Web): So, notes on why Cado is better than LS/TDS again, please?
Sorry... for some reason, I never noticed this...
As far as I know, Cado is the only one who's admitted to being both Evil and a summoner. Sure, we would mostly figure out just how he was telling the truth, but we'd also find out what lynching does. For all we know, it doesn't do anything.
Now I'm just waiting if he'd do the same towards Leafsnail--that, or we'll get a Votecount thanks Web/Nerjin.
TheDarkStar
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
> You did not answer any of my questions there.
> You seem to miss that I suspect both Leafsnail et al. and NQT; however I judge Leafsnail and the rest more scummy than NQT-I did not discard NQT's antics this D1 as clearing him as town (I mean really. That's just wrong).
> I agree with #1; 'for sure', however comparing both arguments, the only scummy thing NQT is doing is 'Attention. Attention classmates. Do not mass vote me and I will procure information tomorrow henceforth.' Compare that to Leafsnail-who I feel as a generality is doing his damnest to get NQT dead. That, and the proposition of 'NQT growing stronger as days pass' is already on the extreme side.
Problem being, its the extreme side which factors into the most recent posts of LS.
> Back to my first note of 'you not answering my questions there'. Do I see anything from you or Cado speaking about all 'Evil' aligned people? I see no significant interaction between each other there. Or in the least with Leafsnail-no debates with him in public about his discourse.
Why so?
And if not? Why?
> #4: I believe its in his personal viewpoint. Take it in his shoes, for example. (which he somehow doesn't like our shoes, because mine is two sizes too small maybe. :I) He touts to know something that'll help-if he says it now it benefits the scumteam--something which I am inclined to believe given how if I assume
- Town are those without winconditions. We are flailing.
- The only negative part is if us flailers get info-crazy and lust for these things. LYNCH HIM SO HE'LL TELL US. That is the crowd-mind. Easy to hide under. Easy excuse. So I digress from that sort of thinking.
> #5: I really don't see that sort of value. He is adamant on his ideas, yet also smells more of the cornered and defensive type. It doesn't reek scum, looking at all his posts.
> #6: ...That's him being transparent. He's telling his stance, and what he's doing about it. And no, he doesn't 'refuse': He promises instead.
Problem being, I put up and propose for everyone to look at LS' counterreaction.
- Advocates Jester.
- Scenario assumptions.
- NQT could be x or y or even z!
That's a lot of weight to slop onto a person, don't you think?
Doubly so that the notion is a mechanic. Evil/Not Evil/Evil-evil-PurelyGood...
If the mods lie to us, then we can try voting the teachers out and proclaim anarchy for all I know, however I do not feel like going by this strange tangent will gain us anything but 'Oh hey, we're busting an Innocent Child.'
If he is truly innocent-we've tomorrow to glean from. Guess what: I hardly believe this game was made to be a 'One-day class scenario'. Today won't be the end of the world despite us panicking about it (I mean bloody hell. Push the deal to students to fix this whole mess. Very nice, teacher.)
> I believe we're too hyped up about the meteor. We're not that proficient, it seems, and the whole everything of what we did today can hilariously work into a social experiment.
> #9: I'd like you to link and detail it for me. I am blind, despite having lurkertracker on and all your posts in tabs in my browser. I would love for you to link it and let it make sense.
Because seriously, NQT looks llike a savory easy lynch now.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 01, 2014, 10:53:40 pm
Mastahcheese (I think it was him, at least) offered to inspect Cado tonight to see what he gets (so likely what defines scum) and recommended that someone else be lynched today.Yes, that was me. It's my best chance of discovering how useful my ability is. Pretty much what you just said.
I also would wish to shorten the day, this is not really getting us any farther as it stands, we need some actual facts to go from now.
Offtopic
If I see a game start up, I'll try to remember to shoot you guys a PM.D&D (which I never played)If you ever sign up for DnD on the Forum Games and Roleplaying section of the forum [PbP] please tell me! I'd love to play with you. Pretty new at it myself.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 10:59:32 pm
Nice. >_>
Post by: Leafsnail on February 01, 2014, 11:13:30 pm
Can you summarize your argument in like one clear paragraph rather than making dozens and dozens of vague unsupported suggestions?
In any case I think it's pretty obvious that possibility of conversions => don't let obvious scum live for any amount of time. You say we can wait until tomorrow when NQT has said it's ok for him to die, but by then he could have switched his role over to someone else (advanced doppelganger type role) or converted someone (cult leader type role). I think both of those are much more likely than the possibility that NQT actually has some ultra specific day one anti-jester (with secret knowledge that scum do not know but would gain a huge advantage from knowing) role.
Or your wincon is to eliminate NQT.This seems to be the core of your argument. But I don't understand how this is an argument and not just a naked assertion.
But can you explain why I get the idea that scum can get people out? Meaning: Prevent them from GOING TO SCHOOL?
I cast doubt on both of your cases-to be exact, but I choose to believe the probably hilarious lesser-evil that NQT, is actually evil scum.
No, my win condition is not to eliminate NQT. Think about it: that would actually make no sense given NQT's claim. He's saying that he can't be lynched due to an ultra-secret reason that the scum cannot be allowed to know. If the secret was that "scum will win if they eliminate me" then there'd be no reason not to say so - the scum already know. Or if you're saying that it's my win condition but I wasn't told it that doesn't make sense either - how could a townie know more about the scum win condition than scum? Wouldn't NQT be prepared to claim his knowledge to help save his life in that case?
Post by: mastahcheese on February 01, 2014, 11:15:19 pm
You guys wish to shorten yet we don't even have a votecount set up.I had not thought of this. Thank you.
Nice. >_>
Unshorten, until the votecount.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 01, 2014, 11:22:56 pm
Second, what is your reasoning behind NQT being less scummy than others?
Third, I'm pretty sure that evil people aren't all scum, being an evil person myself. Just because I'm evil does not mean I would destroy the world.
Fourth, I currently have less interaction with them for two reasons: First, they tend to post at different times than me (not always true), and second, they have not posted that much today. Also, I don't see that much interaction between you and NQT; you seem to be defending him without a good reason.
Fifth, as LS has been pointing out, it is questionable if NQT could be town if he knows something that no one else seems to, since that makes him an informed minority. He seems to know something vitally important for the town right now, but that doesn't make much sense, considering that he has no special abilities other than being confirmed "Not Evil".
Sixth, he certainly seems scummy to me. He might not be an enemy of everyone else, but I'm pretty sure he's at least a jester. Can you think of a reason that he would claim the things he has if he were town?
Seventh, the point of what the mods do here is to be puzzling and misleading. NQT being confirmed Not Evil without confirming "Not Evil" as town is somewhat suspicious. When combined with the other evidence, it does not make him seem good at all.
Eighth, here are some links for you:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4968073#msg4968073 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4968073#msg4968073)
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4967601#msg4967601 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4967601#msg4967601)
PPE: Leafsnail: Currently, I prefer Tiruin's post style because it makes it easy to respond to individual points. I agree that it can be annoying to read, though.
PPE #2: As far as I can tell, it's 4 votes NQT vs 3 votes LS and then one for for Cado. You'll have to go through and figure out who made those votes, though; it's getting really late here and I'm not sure I can do it without mistakes.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 11:59:58 pm
I skimmed, coming back to this soon.
@Leafsnail: The matters are that how you made your case against NQT made the whole day into a turntable game. You out him as scum--however I have ideas to contradict otherwise. That, and scum can nightkill (hinted in context by 'healing after an attack occurs in that ability I gave to Mr. Cheese). I could say you're lying-given that there's a direct game mechanic to these 'moral abstract concepts' of Evil and such, but I could also say that the Mafia team does not directly know each other and does not, really, have a quicktopic.
Will get back to this.
@TDS:
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First, I had (and still have) a case against Cado. However, Mastah convinced me to postpone it for a day while he check Cado tonight....That Cado is actually really telling the truth and lynching him just confirms it? Yeah I don't see Cado being silly enough to lie enough in that context.
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Fourth, I currently have less interaction with them for two reasons: First, they tend to post at different times than me (not always true), and second, they have not posted that much today. Also, I don't see that much interaction between you and NQT; you seem to be defending him without a good reason.Such compelling reasons.
Counterpoint:
> Timezones.
> I post at different times than everyone else. And I can still pick them out of the box to speak to. The first point seems trivial, but bleh. The second: They posted before. Them not posting today =/= not being able to talk to them.
< I did speak to NQT. He didn't reply much--you say defending without good reason; you do not expound on it.
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Second, what is your reasoning behind NQT being less scummy than others?*sighs*
I will direct you to LS' posts. Then NQT's posts. You tell me more about them. What do you think about Leafsnail?
You miss that question a lot-even when it was said out as an 'everyone' notice.
> Ont hose links: I do like 20 questions, and yeah-the scummiest detail I pick from NQT is he's not answering much, however I defend him with the use of Occam's Razor. If an Innocent Child can be scum, then how bastardly is it to insert a mechanic that designs the whole matter into moral terminology? Yeah, he got the note of 'townie' in his PM. But the fact is-he's saying it publicly.
Anyone want to fathom Why NQT is doing what he's doing? Because judging from the subtle shift in the second link-you shift to assume malevolence in NQT. The questioning, I've no say on it because in truth-NQT is really playing not-good.
I mean, I did better even when cornered by everyone else in Paranormal [/yeah...]
Still. Point being: It isn't that I believe NQT is town-it is that I believe Leafsnail is a better darn lynch in knowing what in the world this is all about than NQT.
That, and you forwarded the notion that 'hey, lynch Leafsnail or me-you find out we're telling the truth'.
Pretty subtle note on people telling the truth. The appeal did not go well with my scrutiny, however.
Post by: Tiruin on February 02, 2014, 12:09:48 am
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Fifth, as LS has been pointing out, it is questionable if NQT could be town if he knows something that no one else seems to, since that makes him an informed minority. He seems to know something vitally important for the town right now, but that doesn't make much sense, considering that he has no special abilities other than being confirmed "Not Evil".He fears not to tell it because of the mafia. And, quote, "it will benefit team evil more than team good", or..paraphrased.
And I agree. I'm content with what knowledge I have now-despite it swimming in a pool of vagueness-as what we've gained today is more of a holistic read on everyone else.
That makes more sense than anything else, don't you agree? You don't seem to bring it up here at all. Just cutting off the meat rather than the fat.
Post by: webadict on February 02, 2014, 12:48:18 am
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz - Hapah,
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Extend Used) Leafsnail - Tiruin, RangerCado,
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
notquitethere - Leafsnail, Caz, makeinu,
(Extend Used) RangerCado - Toaster, notquitethere, MyOwnWorstEnemy,
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
No Lynch - mastahcheese,
Not Voting - HissihnWalnuts, TheDarkStar, 4maskwolf,
7 To Hammer. Day Ends Monday 9 PM Central.
Post by: RangerCado on February 02, 2014, 01:06:09 am
Post by: RangerCado on February 02, 2014, 01:22:49 am
Reading back with everything between Leafsnail and NQT, I feel NQT is the better lynch target. Unvote for now but i'm going to go digging a bit more.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 02, 2014, 04:03:43 pm
Next:QuoteFifth, as LS has been pointing out, it is questionable if NQT could be town if he knows something that no one else seems to, since that makes him an informed minority. He seems to know something vitally important for the town right now, but that doesn't make much sense, considering that he has no special abilities other than being confirmed "Not Evil".He fears not to tell it because of the mafia. And, quote, "it will benefit team evil more than team good", or..paraphrased.
And I agree. I'm content with what knowledge I have now-despite it swimming in a pool of vagueness-as what we've gained today is more of a holistic read on everyone else.
That makes more sense than anything else, don't you agree? You don't seem to bring it up here at all. Just cutting off the meat rather than the fat.
Can you think of anything that a non-scum player would know that would be both time dependent and help the scum if they found out about it, BUT still need to be mentioned?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 02, 2014, 04:09:15 pm
Next:QuoteFifth, as LS has been pointing out, it is questionable if NQT could be town if he knows something that no one else seems to, since that makes him an informed minority. He seems to know something vitally important for the town right now, but that doesn't make much sense, considering that he has no special abilities other than being confirmed "Not Evil".He fears not to tell it because of the mafia. And, quote, "it will benefit team evil more than team good", or..paraphrased.
And I agree. I'm content with what knowledge I have now-despite it swimming in a pool of vagueness-as what we've gained today is more of a holistic read on everyone else.
That makes more sense than anything else, don't you agree? You don't seem to bring it up here at all. Just cutting off the meat rather than the fat.
Can you think of anything that a non-scum player would know that would be both time dependent and help the scum if they found out about it, BUT still need to be mentioned?
Also, I'll answer your other questions later in a bit, once I have a response written.
Post by: notquitethere on February 02, 2014, 06:05:44 pm
Can you think of anything that a non-scum player would know that would be both time dependent and help the scum if they found out about it, BUT still need to be mentioned?I'm glad that you can't think of it, it shows I haven't revealed too much yet.
Mr Badict, is moral instruction in the curriculum? Also, can I go home, sir? I'm definitely not feeling very well.
Post by: Tiruin on February 02, 2014, 06:09:33 pm
DarkStar...You -did- answer everything I asked you, right?Can you think of anything that a non-scum player would know that would be both time dependent and help the scum if they found out about it, BUT still need to be mentioned?I'm glad that you can't think of it, it shows I haven't revealed too much yet.
Mr Badict, is moral instruction in the curriculum? Also, can I go home, sir? I'm definitely not feeling very well.
Post by: Leafsnail on February 02, 2014, 10:58:22 pm
@Leafsnail: The matters are that how you made your case against NQT made the whole day into a turntable game. You out him as scum--however I have ideas to contradict otherwise. That, and scum can nightkill (hinted in context by 'healing after an attack occurs in that ability I gave to Mr. Cheese). I could say you're lying-given that there's a direct game mechanic to these 'moral abstract concepts' of Evil and such, but I could also say that the Mafia team does not directly know each other and does not, really, have a quicktopic.I still don't see how any of this remotely constitutes a case against me. Your first point seems to be "You called NQT scum, but I think NQT is town". Ok, why do you think NQT is town (in spite of the fact that his claim makes absolutely no sense)? Why does NQT being town make me scum?
Your "scum can nightkill" point is incredibly weak. Even non-bastard games can have useless roles (eg, the presence of a Mafia Ninja does not guarantee that the town has a tracker), and even if we assume "roles have to be useful" it doesn't follow that evil people can kill or that NQT cannot convert people. The protection could protect someone from an advanced doppelganger attack, for instance. But even if we accept that scum can nightkill I don't see how that changes anything.
I do not understand your last point at all. How do you know there's a "direct game mechanic to these 'moral abstract concepts' of Evil and such", and how does that contradict what I've said? The second part of that sentence seems to just be echoing what I've claimed so I don't see what that has to do with anything.
Again, I simply cannot grasp what you are saying due to the way you're structuring your arguments. Can you please summarize it in the form:
Point: A clear explanation of what you're accusing me of, and why it makes me scum or a better lynch candidate than NQT
Explanation: The reasoning and evidence that leads up to the accusation you make in the Point section
As it is all I can see is a jumbled mix of points and evidence with no supporting argumentation. I can't respond to it without guessing what your argument is, and since I clearly can't do that accurately I need you to make your logic clearer.
> Ont hose links: I do like 20 questions, and yeah-the scummiest detail I pick from NQT is he's not answering much, however I defend him with the use of Occam's Razor. If an Innocent Child can be scum, then how bastardly is it to insert a mechanic that designs the whole matter into moral terminology? Yeah, he got the note of 'townie' in his PM. But the fact is-he's saying it publicly.I find the use of Occam's Razor interesting. Our options:
- NQT has an ultra-complicated town role which has incredibly important knowledge that would cause catastrophic damage if it fell into the scum's hands, but this is only true on day one for no apparent reason. Also if his role is lynched on day one it would also be catastrophic for town, but this wouldn't be the case on day two. These two things aren't actually linked because apparently the information falling into scum's hands could be worse than NQT being lynched.
- NQT is scum and is desperately trying to buy himself time because being lynched would make him lose
The first requires a bunch of strange assumptions and thus loses to Occam's razor.
Apart from it would mean his role is a lot more complicated than mine (and, as far as I can tell, a lot more complicated than anyone else who has claimed), and I find that extremely suspicious. Again, look up old bastard games like Bellsounder - townies had roles that could be described in a single sentence, the scum had a role that required several paragraphs and a fair bit of back-and-forth with the mod to explain. I really don't buy that there'd be one townie with a far more complicated role than everyone else.
Yes, making an apparent confirmed townie scum is a bastard twist. No, it is not outside the stated rules of this bastard game: all webadict promised was that he wouldn't lie, not that he wouldn't be misleading. He never said "NQT is town" or "you are looking for evil players" or "NQT is not a good person to lynch" or "All people who are 'not-evil' have the same alignment" (in fact by calling NQT Good I think he basically said the opposite - that multiple subsets within the not-evil group exist, and also that any other Good player should expect to be told they're Good, like NQT was).
Post by: mastahcheese on February 02, 2014, 11:20:08 pm
Unvote for now.
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 01:39:15 am
So it seems that attempts at a multi-vote wind up as a no-lynch vote. I'll keep that in mind for if any future vote shenanigans crop up.I guess Web's taking it..taking everything as an in-class context.
Unvote for now.
"You try voting multiple people--how does that make sense?! You're indecisive."
...
Therefore there is 'no lynch'.
Leafsnail
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I still don't see how any of this remotely constitutes a case against me. Your first point seems to be "You called NQT scum, but I think NQT is town". Ok, why do you think NQT is town (in spite of the fact that his claim makes absolutely no sense)? Why does NQT being town make me scum?Let's start off with how you started a case against NQT. You firstly assumed the Bellsounder Mafia-applying its kind of logic onto him.
How can he defend against that?
Next, I repeatedly state that I believe you are scummier due to context compared to NQT-I AM NOT SURE NQT IS TOWN, given my earlier notes on him! I fairly believe that you've missed that, and instead are relying on repetition to get the point across? Or possibly, subvert what I'm trying to say to put malice into it?
It is not that, but that i have detected malice in your intent instead. I will get to this later.
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Your "scum can nightkill" point is incredibly weak. Even non-bastard games can have useless roles (eg, the presence of a Mafia Ninja does not guarantee that the town has a tracker), and even if we assume "roles have to be useful" it doesn't follow that evil people can kill or that NQT cannot convert people. The protection could protect someone from an advanced doppelganger attack, for instance. But even if we accept that scum can nightkill I don't see how that changes anything.I love how 'useless' my portable power is. That's a pretty nice deflection of a power that exists. This more than not edges me towards you being scum--other than question the point, you attack it without the essence or detail of curiosity.
I'll redirect your 'weak' point in this. Orange part. It is more than not, believable and your attempt to shut it down? Painted as scum.
> We're freed from class everyday. Every "day" is when we are at class. I believe we may be attacked by said element when we are not at class. Remember how Toony's Love Mafia played out? The one where you won as a third-party? Relate that example.
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But even if we accept that scum can nightkill I don't see how that changes anything."Even if" is a real certainty. So let's say scum can't nightkill--why the heck do you think team 'Evil' is supposed to have that in the first place? Why not give note of it and refute my case there and then? "Incredibly weak" my third toe. The counterpoint you offer is just base speculation--it tried to outguess the damn setup, even! It does not directly attack my case, is what I'm saying.
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I do not understand your last point at all. How do you know there's a "direct game mechanic to these 'moral abstract concepts' of Evil and such", and how does that contradict what I've said? The second part of that sentence seems to just be echoing what I've claimed so I don't see what that has to do with anything.*Tiruin points to relevance.
Detail to me the importance of this orange point here. Maybe you'll understand my point--I also want to understand yours. This schism of aggression may be caused because wow, super-bastard (instead of semi-bastard) game we're having wherein there is lacking scum. How great is that?
The fun thing is EVERYONE ELSE IS BEING DAMN LAZY. Recent posts consist of team evil, and lacking Team everyoneelse. NQT speaks in brevity. Heck, I'm already willing to give this up because LACKING PARTICIPATION.
Anyway, rant aside.
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Point: A clear explanation of what you're accusing me of, and why it makes me scum or a better lynch candidate than NQT*Grumble grumble. :I*
Explanation: The reasoning and evidence that leads up to the accusation you make in the Point section
Spoiler: Note 1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Note 2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Note 3 (click to show/hide)
However, for posterity-if NQT is scum (third-party or whatever), then I am fully justified in saying he's playing poorly. He gives little much amounting to NOTHING in his defense, if we discard the promise of 'survival until tomorrow' and most importantly: "this seems bad to talk about in public because [Team Evil] the scumteam are at an advantage" as a reason--and I will not accept that emotional rant he mentioned earlier as an alibi, now. I know how that feels-I've gone through that more than anyone here-and darn well does it suck in knowing he's not posting anything as of recent note.
And is active. (Or as far active as checking his account is).
Counter point to that?: Team Evil has no comment--NOR is Leafsnail or anyone else advocating that WHAT NQT SAYS IS A GOOD IDEA. In bastard games, scum are almost always at an advantage given the breach in information--or at least have a greater advantage than Town in knowing what is going on!
NQT: To probably please your ego; we're all idiots. Happy? Your attitude, however, does not conform to a true president (I can state the gap in how you played before as to how you're doing now [but if its RL, you don't mention it] wherein you don't detail, at all, in recent times what your thoughts are).
Do you understand that withholding information bakes you out as a nice target for scum?
PS: Today seems to be my grumpy day so...no malice intended. :X Just preeeeetty grrr at myself because of scheduled stuff and me breaking down under sadness and sadness and not doing anything because apathy argh. I'm not even inclined towards apathy. T_T
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 01:55:29 am
And via that re-read, thanks Leafsnail.
I totally missed this stroke of ingenuity. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=post;topic=135628.795;last_msg=4977254)
However my thoughts are as follows--the only way we DO know its the end of the world (sans my action of looking out the window and OMG METEOR IN SKY), is by OUT OF CHARACTER PLAY (which is directly NOT what the mods have been playing as).
In character? Mr. Badict is in his safety bunker (as far as memory serves me) and at least Dr. Nerjin will die with us today. :I
Anyway.
My thoughts do not think that today is the last day in our world. If such summoners can do hilarious fun and cause it to be DAY END, DAY ONE, WOOP-DEE-DOO, then I seriously doubt this is a 'semi-bastard' game.
Because the only situation I see in reversing this is:
> Lynch Cado. NQT declares him to not come to class (+roleflips) but to help in getting that meteor or whatever out.
Which would only be done if Cado claimed truthfully, as a generality. Now if all Meteor summoners have benevolent agendas, they'd all claim.
Oh right.
@Leafsnail/Everyone
Point 5: RangerCado doesn't look like a good lynch today, if at all-unless we've got better information.
Explanation: He claimed. Truthfully. And unless there's any ability that presides against that notion (like swapping people?), then this clears him as a confidant...or however you term 'helpful guilty person who we can talk to'.
I don't say believe everything he says though-caution is the best thing here.
Point 6: Not all flavor is relevant and flavor can be a real good alibi.
Explanation: If we go by all webadict/Nerjin's notes--it is right to say these things:
- We can't get that darn book mentioned in the OP due to 'you need a hallpass to get out since Mr. Badict isn't here'
- Hilarious substitute teachers who are less competent than reality anybodies! (No offense Nerjin, I liked your flavor! :D)
- Mr. Badict is actually a coward and that single note of his 'safe location' (which i inferred as a safe bunker in the above post) is really only known (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4957906#msg4957906) by inferring and assuming.
- 90% of what we've concluded today is from inferring and asking the mods. There must be a simpler solution rather than doing this.
=Counter-point: Why does the Meteor even matter at all?! It's not like we're student heroes or whatever. Best case scenario is it dissipating in the atmosphere and every adult is useless (contrast 'every adult is USELESS' to 'every teenager is evil'--I know I ain't evil, nor ever was evil)
However we know one thing: Whoever made MOWE into a human sandwich is evil. :I
Post by: notquitethere on February 03, 2014, 05:50:22 am
Am I the only one who finds this ridiculous? NQT is claiming that he knows something that will ruin the "town" today, but tomorrow it will be fine, even if the situation does not change. Care to explain how this is even possible, NQT?No. It'll make sense tomorrow if I'm still alive to tell you. You'll all be kicking yourself.
Ranger
Is being hypocritical as you lead a campaign to lynch me. What the heck! ...I'm guessing your being defensive about this because you have a night action, or YOUR one of the other summoners.No one needs to be lynched for it to be safe to tell you guys tomorrow, but it'll be safer overall the more Evil players we eliminate. Sorry champ!
Darkstar
What don't we get? How is "don't lynch me OR ELSE" not self-preservation, and how does knowing something important that no one else does make you town? Also, you are not actually answering questions; instead, you just tell people that you can't tell them anything.Do you understand the concept of not giving away useful information to your enemies? Of course you want me to claim because I have declared myself in opposition to you and your interests. I feel no compulsion to worsen my chances at winning this game just to prematurely satisfy your desire for answers.
I had a post with multiple questions to you that I still want answered (this one: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4967601#msg4967601 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4967601#msg4967601)). There is simply not a good enough reason to believe you when you give zero evidence or details for your claim.See below, but I feel I've said as much as I can. I feel assured that if I am voted out today then I'll have said as much as was safe to say without imperilling my allies.
There's a lot here that bugs me. Why can't you explain? What can you tell us about it? There are most likely things that you can tell us that will convince us, but you don't. I'm guessing that something in your role description involves either surviving and being lynched day 2 or later or an ability that will help you starting day 2. Could you please explain, and also explain why it was necessary to bring attention to that fact that you needed to live? It's simply suspicious to say that under no conditions must you be lynched today while you are "confirmed" Not Evil anyway.I think it would be a very bad idea to lynch me today as I'm uncertain what will happen due to an unclear mechanic that will only become clear tomorrow. I've tried asking Wuba and Nerjin multiple times but they're as useful as a chocolate kettle. That's as much as I'll say. I'm not answering your questions until Day 2 and then I'll answer all your questions.
The most likely one of the above scenarios is that you are a jester. You'll probably say something like "Well, it didn't happen". You have also said that lynching you in the future is fine, but just not today. Possibly, you are a (to borrow the term) a "muggle" that is depressed because you are with wizards who can do things you can't. You've already said that you have no other abilities.I'm definitely not a jester or a depressed muggle or a meteor summoner.
The next most likely thing is that there is actually something going on (I'll get to that later with some questions).
The least likely thing is an ability that only works starting day 2. This is unlikely, since you're been claiming otherwise, unless you are a meteor summoner (which doesn't seem likely).
Questions about the "very bad thing" (20 questions time!):I'll no longer be as useful to the fortunes of town after today. I'll reveal it tomorrow if I'm alive, but if I'm dead I'm not sure whether or not Wuba or Nerjin will reveal it.
Why do you not care about being lynched after tonight? Will it be revealed to the town tomorrow?
Would the scum possibly know this already but not realize that you know it?Quite possibly, but perhaps not.
My Badict
I would say to review the First Battle of Terra, but you probably won't have time to take the quiz at the end of the week.Uh... who won the First Battle of Terra?
Tiruin
NQT: Why can't you address us instead of talking solely to Leafsnail?I'm not sure where you're getting this impression from (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4968749#msg4968749). I've said what I want to say. It's up to town to decide whether they'd like to play in their best interests or not.
It's not like we exist here!
Do you understand that withholding information bakes you out as a nice target for scum?[/b]So the story's like this Tiruin: I notice about midway through the game the significance of something in my PM. I try to get Wuba and Nerjin to clarify but they're useless. I'm suddenly worried about what will happen if I'm killed. Best case, it'll actually be in the interests of town, worst case it'll be resolutely not in the interests of town. I know that if I explain the full details then scum will change their strategy accordingly and ensure that the worst scenario comes to pass, so I can't say anything. I only hope that if I die, then the secrets that will help scum will die with me rather than aiding them. I have no way to know until the end comes and I cannot risk speaking to much and giving succour to my foes.
EveryoneSorry Tiruin, I'd consider voting Leafsnail or Darkstar instead but I'm not going to risk my own life to do so when so much may hang in the balance.
Point 5: RangerCado doesn't look like a good lynch today, if at all-unless we've got better information.
Explanation: He claimed. Truthfully. And unless there's any ability that presides against that notion (like swapping people?), then this clears him as a confidant...or however you term 'helpful guilty person who we can talk to'.
Walnuts, are you going to grace us with a vote before the day ends?
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 07:07:46 am
Tiruin"Ms. Class President, with all due respect--that is my point. In recent note, team Evil (...or basically those who've done the most outspoken 'summary' against you..who are all classified as 'Evil') have leveled scathing accusations against you..with generalizations.NQT: Why can't you address us instead of talking solely to Leafsnail?I'm not sure where you're getting this impression from (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4968749#msg4968749). I've said what I want to say. It's up to town to decide whether they'd like to play in their best interests or not.
It's not like we exist here!
"Yes, you have that note and the right to put your foot down--but I don't see why you can't interject in your own defense when and until the day ends! It makes me feel...jaded in my belief in you (meaning: I am faltering in believing that your lynch isn't the best priority of the first day due to the Bastard standard--third-party, you be?)"
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So the story's like this Tiruin: I notice about midway through the game the significance of something in my PM. I try to get Wuba and Nerjin to clarify but they're useless. I'm suddenly worried about what will happen if I'm killed. Best case, it'll actually be in the interests of town, worst case it'll be resolutely not in the interests of town. I know that if I explain the full details then scum will change their strategy accordingly and ensure that the worst scenario comes to pass, so I can't say anything. I only hope that if I die, then the secrets that will help scum will die with me rather than aiding them. I have no way to know until the end comes and I cannot risk speaking to much and giving succour to my foes."...I guessed as much. I mean-I got your case earlier, but am pretty unsure how to present it without giving full view of the gap between where you see it, and stand, and where we see it and stand-with all the cluttery variables in between. People are gunning for you...for vague and mysterious reasons, and I am unsure what has happened to the good name of logic here.
"In other words, my next investigative project is: Mental Difficulties Induced By Heavenly Bodies. With references in astronomy, of course. ...What? You thought I was doing a Psycho-socio experiment?"
On another note, I like how you worded that. Pretty literary.
Though I still do feel the imperative is you stand up and fight because it pretty much feels to me that the scum wincon is kicking your
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I'll no longer be as useful to the fortunes of town after today. I'll reveal it tomorrow if I'm alive, but if I'm dead I'm not sure whether or not Wuba or Nerjin will reveal it.Tiruin spasms.
I am going to punch either of you mods if this bastard thing is a scripted event. T'aint fun. Unless you're sadistic. :I
Rawr!
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No. It'll make sense tomorrow if I'm still alive to tell you. You'll all be kicking yourself.And I will punch you if this is a scum-ploy you're doing! Because it's cheap and omgNQTreally?!
Y'all aren't fun if you do this thing. :I
Rawr!
My BadictPlease don't tell me we're delving into Warhammer 40K...I would say to review the First Battle of Terra, but you probably won't have time to take the quiz at the end of the week.Uh... who won the First Battle of Terra?
Eldar FTW. >:I
WELL, How's about this. Since we're obviously MAYBE NOT lynching Cado's face off the classroom and assumed Earth, given you and Leafsnail being in a run-I ask you to make a conditional extension to that mandate you did to Cado before--to both yourself and Leafsnail!EveryoneSorry Tiruin, I'd consider voting Leafsnail or Darkstar instead but I'm not going to risk my own life to do so when so much may hang in the balance.
Point 5: RangerCado doesn't look like a good lynch today, if at all-unless we've got better information.
Explanation: He claimed. Truthfully. And unless there's any ability that presides against that notion (like swapping people?), then this clears him as a confidant...or however you term 'helpful guilty person who we can talk to'.
So at least we'll answer one thing for sure...That Flavor-note.
Well I'm secretly nyancat. Hear me rawr with the power of a thousand kittens!The most likely one of the above scenarios is that you are a jester. You'll probably say something like "Well, it didn't happen". You have also said that lynching you in the future is fine, but just not today. Possibly, you are a (to borrow the term) a "muggle" that is depressed because you are with wizards who can do things you can't. You've already said that you have no other abilities.I'm definitely not a jester or a depressed muggle or a meteor summoner.
The next most likely thing is that there is actually something going on (I'll get to that later with some questions).
The least likely thing is an ability that only works starting day 2. This is unlikely, since you're been claiming otherwise, unless you are a meteor summoner (which doesn't seem likely).
nyan~
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Ohgodspleasedon'ttellmewe'redoingHarryPotter.
Post by: notquitethere on February 03, 2014, 07:44:36 am
(meaning: I am faltering in believing that your lynch isn't the best priority of the first day due to the Bastard standard--third-party, you be?)"I've tried to explain as clearly as possible why I can't say any more. If you want to let me get lynched today, go ahead, but don't say I didn't warn you.
WELL, How's about this. Since we're obviously MAYBE NOT lynching Cado's face off the classroom and assumed Earth, given you and Leafsnail being in a run-I ask you to make a conditional extension to that mandate you did to Cado before--to both yourself and Leafsnail!I won't narrate my own mislynch, but I will say, If Leafsnail is voted by the class, we will give him a slice of cake and a pat on the back after his role and alignment is revealed, but then he can come back and join the class tomorrow.
So at least we'll answer one thing for sure...That Flavor-note.
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 07:57:20 am
Tiruin...You think I want to lynch you?(meaning: I am faltering in believing that your lynch isn't the best priority of the first day due to the Bastard standard--third-party, you be?)"I've tried to explain as clearly as possible why I can't say any more. If you want to let me get lynched today, go ahead, but don't say I didn't warn you.
Post by: notquitethere on February 03, 2014, 08:03:40 am
...You think I want to lynch you?I didn't think so, but then you did say: "I am faltering in believing that your lynch isn't the best priority of the first day due to the Bastard standard--third-party, you be", which (though tricky to decipher), makes me think you'd not be too upset about letting the others lynch me. You want to keep Ranger around because of a suspected Love wincon, right?
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 08:58:36 am
Because if you did what you feared--scum have to be real careful about public opinion. We know there are 3 out there. We have around 9 others not including you in this 13 player game.
"You can't fool all of the people all of the time." seems like the appropriate proverb here.
PPE Oh hi! :)
Post by: notquitethere on February 03, 2014, 09:04:47 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 09:51:32 am
But that still doesn't account to why you can't tell it out loud. Is it a very easily misinterpreted idea that the time-until-day-end does not factor into us comprehending what value it is, or does it have a direct influence on the bastardry?
Post by: notquitethere on February 03, 2014, 10:07:08 am
Post by: Toaster on February 03, 2014, 10:12:49 am
I think it would be a very bad idea to lynch me today as I'm uncertain what will happen due to an unclear mechanic that will only become clear tomorrow.
Isn't this a direct contradiction to you saying your confirmation was your only ability?
Post by: notquitethere on February 03, 2014, 10:16:07 am
Isn't this a direct contradiction to you saying your confirmation was your only ability?No. Not in any way. It'll be clear tomorrow.
Post by: Toaster on February 03, 2014, 10:18:19 am
Do you see the problem with this?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 03, 2014, 10:19:50 am
Post by: notquitethere on February 03, 2014, 10:25:56 am
Okay, so you only have one ability. Therefore by elimination, what you have is information, making you informed. You're the only one who has this, so you're the minority.No. The information that I have is of the same kind that other players have. You're all informed minorities when it comes to what it says on your PM. Look, it'll all make sense tomorrow.
Do you see the problem with this?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 03, 2014, 04:58:11 pm
ToasterOkay, so you only have one ability. Therefore by elimination, what you have is information, making you informed. You're the only one who has this, so you're the minority.No. The information that I have is of the same kind that other players have. You're all informed minorities when it comes to what it says on your PM. Look, it'll all make sense tomorrow.
Do you see the problem with this?
Have you been reading anything that people have mentioned about their role descriptions? Aside from the occasional ability, there is simply useless backstory in most people's roles. Most people don't even have an idea of what their wincons could be. Others can't even figure out if they have an ability or not. However, you have unique, relevant, and possibly game-changing information. Can you see any problems with this?
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 06:14:25 pm
I find it incredible that you (and most other players) can't seem to fathom that there could be information that scum could act upon. This is to do with the game mechanics (what little we know of them) but isn't to do with the bastardry per se.WOW! I find it incredible that you choose insult rather than understanding instead.
"I find it incredible..."
Nice ego. You can't even explain anything right! Can't seem to fathom? What in bloody hell are you even thinking about? You're just touting once more that this information is nothing we can do about when you let it out! But it makes sense when you say it by game mechanics!
Now if you just grew some empathy to understand that if you had said the orange part in the first place, you would've clarified 90% of what has happened THUS FRICKIN' FAR.
>__>
Tiruin: have you not seen our posts speculating this is some weird magical hybrid world, seemingly with some Harry. Potter characters. I'm PFP, but a while back I linked to a post where the mod mentions Hermione.I did. Is this evidence to be used?
ToasterLet me round your rudeness to you.Okay, so you only have one ability. Therefore by elimination, what you have is information, making you informed. You're the only one who has this, so you're the minority.No. The information that I have is of the same kind that other players have. You're all informed minorities when it comes to what it says on your PM. Look, it'll all make sense tomorrow.
Do you see the problem with this?
BS.
I have NOTHING to base on, and have been trying more the heck than you to do anything about it.
If I'm an informed 'minority' with nothing to base on, then I am REALLY gripping you by the neck tomorrow.
For once, I'm beginning to say 'it doesn't matter' and 'go lynch NQT' for being a condescending president.ToasterOkay, so you only have one ability. Therefore by elimination, what you have is information, making you informed. You're the only one who has this, so you're the minority.No. The information that I have is of the same kind that other players have. You're all informed minorities when it comes to what it says on your PM. Look, it'll all make sense tomorrow.
Do you see the problem with this?
Have you been reading anything that people have mentioned about their role descriptions? Aside from the occasional ability, there is simply useless backstory in most people's roles. Most people don't even have an idea of what their wincons could be. Others can't even figure out if they have an ability or not. However, you have unique, relevant, and possibly game-changing information. Can you see any problems with this?
But it doesn't look like you've picked up on the hint and instead attack a trivial portion of minorities and majorities.
Why do you not ask him on the case above?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 03, 2014, 06:36:46 pm
Why do you not ask him on the case above?
Why didn't you read? The post was directed to him.
Post by: notquitethere on February 03, 2014, 06:38:35 pm
However, you have unique, relevant, and possibly game-changing information. Can you see any problems with this?You are mistaken about its uniqueness: I known you do too and I'll elucidate... tomorrow.
Tiruin
WOW! I find it incredible that you choose insult rather than understanding instead.I wasn't meaning to be insulting. I'm just trying to explain that I can't really explain... yet.
Let me round your rudeness to you.I'm really not being rude. Well not intentionally. It'll all be very clear soon.
BS.
I have NOTHING to base on, and have been trying more the heck than you to do anything about it.
If I'm an informed 'minority' with nothing to base on, then I am REALLY gripping you by the neck tomorrow.
Post by: notquitethere on February 03, 2014, 06:45:38 pm
I'm going to bed now and if the day is processed on time it'll be N1 by the time I next check the thread. It's currently a tie between me and Ranger, so one of you guys should probably think about breaking it.
If you want to vote out a self-declared meteor summoner and Evil player, then vote Ranger.
If you want to vote a mod-confirmed Not Evil player who claims that voting him may aid the forces of Evil and he'll explain how if he lives until tomorrow, then vote NQT.
Good Night and Good Luck!
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 06:48:19 pm
Let me restate this in the way you won't miss logic.Why do you not ask him on the case above?
Why didn't you read? The post was directed to him.
Why do you think NQT noted the point on him knowing stuff, IF IT WAS COMPLETELY DETRIMENTAL TO HIM?!
I mean, pushing that trash on 'informed' minority/majority? You can't even back that up without relating it to 'omgMafia knows moar'.
Back it up, you. I'd love it for PEOPLE to think or ask beforehand and not snark at me by 'oh didn't you see x?'
I'm not bloody blind. What he's stating is something about mechanics. Something that could've clarified this whole mess better than anything else he forwarded! Why are you not focused on that?
TiruinYou do a VERY poor job of doing it!WOW! I find it incredible that you choose insult rather than understanding instead.I wasn't meaning to be insulting. I'm just trying to explain that I can't really explain... yet.
If you had just mentioned any context about why, other than appealing to 'mafia would know more' LIKE THAT MECHANICS NOTE, it would make better sense!
Why didn't you bring that up sooner?
Let me round your rudeness to you.I'm really not being rude. Well not intentionally. It'll all be very clear soon.
BS.
I have NOTHING to base on, and have been trying more the heck than you to do anything about it.
If I'm an informed 'minority' with nothing to base on, then I am REALLY gripping you by the neck tomorrow.
[/quote]Stop. Pushing. That. Rubbish.
You're like a broken tape recorder. I am frustrated on hearing the same thing when I try to ask from different directions. You could be more adamant with it or define more reasons on why you're standing by it--but for here it feels like we've hit the saturation point from you (y'know, until that recent note on 'MECHANICS' instead!)
How sure are you that it isn't part of the game's deviation?
Yeah I'm still grumpy.
One More Thing Before I GoAw COME ON. Why do you go now?! >__>
I'm going to bed now and if the day is processed on time it'll be N1 by the time I next check the thread. It's currently a tie between me and Ranger, so one of you guys should probably think about breaking it.
If you want to vote out a self-declared meteor summoner and Evil player, then vote Ranger.
If you want to vote a mod-confirmed Not Evil player who claims that voting him may aid the forces of Evil and he'll explain how if he lives until tomorrow, then vote NQT.
Good Night and Good Luck!
And leave a note of guilt-tripping people who don't even know anything about you other than Innocent Child in Bastard context!?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 03, 2014, 06:51:27 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 06:58:18 pm
NQTCan we vote Leafsnail instead of going on this useless tangent? >_>
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 03, 2014, 07:05:30 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 07:19:32 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 03, 2014, 08:00:39 pm
NQTCan we vote Leafsnail instead of going on this useless tangent? >_>
How is scumhunting useless? People are pointing out various ways that NQT is suspicious; are you trying to dissuade us from doing that?
Post by: Leafsnail on February 03, 2014, 08:17:48 pm
Let's start off with how you started a case against NQT. You firstly assumed the Bellsounder Mafia-applying its kind of logic onto him.He can't. So what? I think it's still strong evidence against NQT and I'm under no obligation to only use arguments that are counterable.
How can he defend against that?
Next, I repeatedly state that I believe you are scummier due to context compared to NQT-I AM NOT SURE NQT IS TOWN, given my earlier notes on him! I fairly believe that you've missed that, and instead are relying on repetition to get the point across? Or possibly, subvert what I'm trying to say to put malice into it?You're not sure NQT is town, apparently, but you are constantly defending him and doing your best to switch the lynch to any other person.
It is not that, but that i have detected malice in your intent instead. I will get to this later.
I love how 'useless' my portable power is. That's a pretty nice deflection of a power that exists. This more than not edges me towards you being scum--other than question the point, you attack it without the essence or detail of curiosity.I don't understand what you're saying here. My point is that the existence of a role is not a promise that that role is useful. For example: in the old beginner setup it was possible to have a Godfather and no cop. That Godfather role would be completely useless. So you cannot use "I have a protection from a kill" as evidence that kills definitely exist, much less that kills definitely exist and are used by the scum faction.
> We're freed from class everyday. Every "day" is when we are at class. I believe we may be attacked by said element when we are not at class. Remember how Toony's Love Mafia played out? The one where you won as a third-party? Relate that example.Yes, it's certainly possible that scum can nightkill. But it's not guaranteed.
*Tiruin points to relevance. Detail to me the importance of this orange point here. Maybe you'll understand my point--I also want to understand yours. This schism of aggression may be caused because wow, super-bastard (instead of semi-bastard) game we're having wherein there is lacking scum. How great is that?Yes, that sentence is supposed to make you assume that not evil = town and evil = scum. But preying upon your unfounded assumptions is THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of A BASTARD GAME
I've already made my position clear: NQT = Good, players who did not receive an alignment = not good or evil. If you were Good then why didn't webadict tell you you were in your role PM? Why would he make a special exception for NQT?
You could then ask why you, as a neutral person should vote for NQT and not me, and to that I'd point to the mountain of knowledge that NQT is sitting on, and the fact that the moderator was trying to trick you into thinking he's confirmed town. Those factors both scream "bastard scum" far louder than "three players who were told they were evil but who got no extra knowledge or abilities".
"Even if" is a real certainty. So let's say scum can't nightkill--why the heck do you think team 'Evil' is supposed to have that in the first place? Why not give note of it and refute my case there and then? "Incredibly weak" my third toe. The counterpoint you offer is just base speculation--it tried to outguess the damn setup, even! It does not directly attack my case, is what I'm saying.The problem is that I cannot tell what your case actually is. I'm therefore just attacking the points I can actually understand. I assumed that when you were talking about scum having nightkills you meant NQT and you were trying to refute my point about NQT possibly having a conversion.
I don't think that "team Evil" is "supposed" to have "that", assuming that "that" is "a nightkill". I am completely baffled by that question because I have clearly claimed, in the past, that I do not have a nightkill and do not know who the other evil people are.
Ok, this point arises simply because you're confused as to what my argument is. Sure, there are two contending sides: Good vs not-Good. Maybe NQT wants to righteously slay all the people who are making the world bad through their indifference or evilness.Spoiler: Note 1 (click to show/hide)
It's possibly that neutral and evil have different goals, but I'm pretty sure that both of us are anti-Good because NQT is clearly bastard scum.
This point doesn't make sense. You don't provide any actual reason to think that NQT is not scum, just reasons that we can hold off on lynching him today.Spoiler: Note 2 (click to show/hide)
Your cult leader point is bizarre. Yes, if we lynch him today he won't be able to do anything and we win. Or we could wait until tomorrow after he's recruited an unknown person. Even if we lynch him then we'd still have to find that unknown person.
Your parasite point is equally bizarre. Yes, maybe we'd know that NQT had possessed someone from flavour. How would that help us? We still wouldn't know who he possessed, and we'd be back to square one. The alternative of "lynch him today" is clearly way better.
Yes, it would be fairly bastard if he were scum. But this is a bastard game! webadict's sole definition of semi-bastard is "I won't lie to you". Not "I won't be misleading" and not "you can win this game if you play it like a normal mafia game".
I'd like to first point out you've completely failed to meet the point: explanation format I suggested. Your explanation is on a completely different point to the point you stated above (in your point you say that accusing the mods is "a scumpoint", but you don't go on to explain why - instead you bring up some irrelevant stuff about my argument style). I'm really almost ready to just giving up on responding to you entirely.Spoiler: Note 3 (click to show/hide)
I made it clear in that point that the "maybe NQT's partners are the mods" was a speculative idea and only tangential to my main case. It's something we can pursue further once the obvious front man of the scumteam is dead. Maybe NQT is alone, maybe NQT is working with the mods, maybe NQT has player allies. Right now who cares. He's scum, we kill him first.
I don't know what you mean about "the questioning Leafsnail you've known and loved". You know I'm highly assertive when I believe I've found the correct answer - see the end of The Lonely Prince. I didn't question Lenglon, I laid out my argument and stated he was scum. Because he was.
However, for posterity-if NQT is scum (third-party or whatever), then I am fully justified in saying he's playing poorly. He gives little much amounting to NOTHING in his defense, if we discard the promise of 'survival until tomorrow' and most importantly: "this seems bad to talk about in public because [Team Evil] the scumteam are at an advantage" as a reason--and I will not accept that emotional rant he mentioned earlier as an alibi, now. I know how that feels-I've gone through that more than anyone here-and darn well does it suck in knowing he's not posting anything as of recent note.Yeah, NQT is playing poorly. But that's not surprising considering that NQT is a poor scum player.
Counter point to that?: Team Evil has no comment--NOR is Leafsnail or anyone else advocating that WHAT NQT SAYS IS A GOOD IDEA. In bastard games, scum are almost always at an advantage given the breach in information--or at least have a greater advantage than Town in knowing what is going on!I'm not advocating for him because his claim is clearly false. Either he doesn't actually have that knowledge and he's lying to save his skin, or he does have that knowledge because he's scum.
No. It'll make sense tomorrow if I'm still alive to tell you. You'll all be kicking yourself.I've just realized: this is absolutely bizarre. As town NQT almost always argues exclusively with facts: vote count analysis, role flips, postcount numbers. But this is a straight-up appeal to emotion that has no logical basis, it doesn't fit with the way NQT plays town at all.
No. The information that I have is of the same kind that other players have. You're all informed minorities when it comes to what it says on your PM. Look, it'll all make sense tomorrow.No, it clearly is not remotely the same kind of information. Other than my role I have very vague information that kindof hints towards what my win condition might be if you squint a bit (in fact, I've already claimed it and no-one cared because it wasn't very interesting). Yours, on the other hand, apparently contains devastating information that would blow the entire game wide open if it were made public (but only on day one). It also apparently specifically says you cannot be lynched on day one. That means you clearly have far, far more information than any of the rest of us.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 03, 2014, 11:39:51 pm
It seems like the only people actually participating in any way, are the ones who've claimed evil, my frelling targets, pretty much, and NQT and Tiruin.
*Sigh*
I don't know.
I won't vote, either team evil all dogpiles on NQT and gets rid of him, which I can't really stop, or it ends up in a no-lynch, which gives us the potential of no information at all, and we're back to square one.
I'm not voting Cado, I need him (her, whatever) alive.
Tiruin, thank you so much for not budging. If you hadn't, then this whole day would have been nothing but a one-sided "Kill NQT!" frenzy.
I want to tell you that because everyone seems to be getting on your case for it, well, everyone on team evil, which is pretty much all the active people, and you've been doing your best at stating why you won't budge. Thank you for that.
As for all you dicks on team evil, I hope you all die.
Not for any real reason against any of you fine fellows, but because it seems that my character wants you dead.
I'll start voting for you all in Day 2, assuming I don't have a real lead to follow.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 03, 2014, 11:43:22 pm
Well, I had actually planned out a rather long rant toward NQT, but now he says he's gone until the night.Erm...
It seems like the only people actually participating in any way, are the ones who've claimed evil, my frelling targets, pretty much, and NQT and Tiruin.
*Sigh*
I don't know.
I won't vote, either team evil all dogpiles on NQT and gets rid of him, which I can't really stop, or it ends up in a no-lynch, which gives us the potential of no information at all, and we're back to square one.
I'm not voting Cado, I need him (her, whatever) alive.
Tiruin, thank you so much for not budging. If you hadn't, then this whole day would have been nothing but a one-sided "Kill NQT!" frenzy.
I want to tell you that because everyone seems to be getting on your case for it, well, everyone on team evil, which is pretty much all the active people, and you've been doing your best at stating why you won't budge. Thank you for that.
As for all you dicks on team evil, I hope you all die.
Not for any real reason against any of you fine fellows, but because it seems that my character wants you dead.
I'll start voting for you all in Day 2, assuming I don't have a real lead to follow.
I'm not evil and I don't like NQT.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 04, 2014, 12:02:10 am
Erm...Well, I didn't say that only evil people dislike NQT.
I'm not evil and I don't like NQT.
I said that everyone other than Tiruin (<-- This is a generalization) is disliking NQT.
I then made a separate comment on the Evil people specially.
Sorry if I made it seem like I said "NQT hater are Team Evil" but I didn't mean it like that.
Post by: RangerCado on February 04, 2014, 12:20:45 am
Post by: RangerCado on February 04, 2014, 12:22:14 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 02:26:26 am
I'll advocate also lynching Mr. Badict tomorrow for being an absent late-person and this schoolsystem sucks.
Oh really? I hate NQT and I'm going against his mass-vote! Why don't you like NQT? His 'defensiveness'? His brevity?-so true I like that last part-Erm...
I'm not evil and I don't like NQT.
Well, now people may know why I hate brevity!
But that's aside the point. You voted him because...what? Poor play? I could understand implications leading to such a breakdown at that level (or his conscience..but that'd be just weird given your role == bastard-level evil). But it doesn't make sense.
I'd also be pushing forward a 'hey let's leave NQT alive to by tomorrow we can watch him squirm.' But we seem to be lynching him for tons of reasons which don't even make sense! They have to be inferred to make sense.
*points at Leafsnail*
Seriously. We're only at 5 player activity lately, and everyone's just sitting on their person-platforms and lazing around. Caz is being useless and has done nothing but joke joke joke! Those who've voted NQT, sans Evil-people, are doing nothing to press their target further or doubletriple check for fallibility. Those who're doing everything else are just defaulting towards recent reasoning without developing their own CNS.
Good gods this class. This..this atmosphere. Just because there's no definite wincon doesn't mean everyone else has to act like damn robots!
At least I'm happy with my choice of sending protection to the only other person that seems to bloody care. If at least by his role.
Post by: notquitethere on February 04, 2014, 03:21:53 am
I think an apology is in order: I've completely failed to clearly present myself, for which I'm sorry. Basically, there is a lack of clarity over the mechanics and I literally have no idea what will happen when I'm lynched (which seems inevitable right now) and I'm worried that the outcome might be pretty bad depending on how the mods resolve part of the rules. I've decided, for good or ill, to treat the Evil players as the scum in this game until I recieve contraindication. I realise that I'm almost alone in this.
In a normal game, no one sides with claimed scum to lynch the confirmed town player because that players is witholding information that would be useful to scum. My mistake was in treating this game like a normal game. My trouble was that in absence of clear win cons and inadequate sign posting about what the intended point of this game is, I felt like the best way to proceed (once we'd tried to discover everything we could) was as if we had the implied wincon to get rid of Evil or meteor summoners. I should have made a stronger case for doing this.
If there does turn out to be a point to all this, then I hope my lynch is useful and not as disastrous as I fear it might be.
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 04:26:27 am
>___>
I'm inferring town's wincon is to do the common good. ENOUGH with thinking Mafia/Town but NOtEvil/Evil.
Evil people is to do evil stuffs. Not Evil people is to do good stuffs.
And whether or not NQT-
...
NQT: Why don't you extend that mandate onto yourself?
Post by: notquitethere on February 04, 2014, 04:39:30 am
NQT: Why don't you extend that mandate onto yourself?Well in truth I was just humouring you in the hope that you'd vote in such a way as not to get me lynched. That hasn't transpired and your failure to vote for Ranger when the vote was tied earlier has allowed me to get lynched now. You made your choice to let it happen. I have no reason to believe my declarations have any impact on the game or setting. But let's humour you one last time:
This vote is in fact the class election: if the president is voted, she gets a slice of cake and a pat on the back and gets to run the class for a whole 'nother term with no harm done to anyone.
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 05:12:39 am
Shift the thrice damn blame on me, will you?!
Post by: notquitethere on February 04, 2014, 05:21:08 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 05:36:56 am
The only people able to push forward a case and complete it is what forwards the lynch! You haven't done much and instead give up, lie down, and frickin' die.
Then you say I don't help you at all.
HAH
You're a joke of a president.
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 05:45:19 am
Post by: notquitethere on February 04, 2014, 05:57:34 am
The only people able to push forward a case and complete it is what forwards the lynch! You haven't done much and instead give up, lie down, and frickin' die.Hardly. If this was a regular game then there'd be no problem. Only, most of the players have openly stated that they don't know what they're trying achieve in this game. I've made my case time and time again and I'm talking on borrowed time now.
Walnuts, Tiruin, Cheese, Caz, makeinu, Wolf, Hapah if you get a chance before the day ends: please vote Ranger. I'll say it once again: if you think your goal might not align with people who are openly Evil, then don't let the confirmed Not Evil player be lynched. I know that we don't really know what's going on in this game. I've got only the slither of the inkling. I want to tell you all about it, but you need to keep me alive until tomorrow.
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 06:23:39 am
TiruinI don't think I've any bloody goal. I believe my bloody goal is doing what is bloody right.The only people able to push forward a case and complete it is what forwards the lynch! You haven't done much and instead give up, lie down, and frickin' die.Hardly. If this was a regular game then there'd be no problem. Only, most of the players have openly stated that they don't know what they're trying achieve in this game. I've made my case time and time again and I'm talking on borrowed time now.
Walnuts, Tiruin, Cheese, Caz, makeinu, Wolf, Hapah if you get a chance before the day ends: please vote Ranger. I'll say it once again: if you think your goal might not align with people who are openly Evil, then don't let the confirmed Not Evil player be lynched. I know that we don't really know what's going on in this game. I've got only the slither of the inkling. I want to tell you all about it, but you need to keep me alive until tomorrow.
RangerCado since everyone else seems so
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Hardly. If this was a regular game then there'd be no problem. Only, most of the players have openly stated that they don't know what they're trying achieve in this game. I've made my case time and time again and I'm talking on borrowed time now.If this was a regular game, I'd be whipping you for your antics. If this was a regular game, I'd be seeing NQT fighting tooth and nail on every bit everyone else is accusing him--thereby NOT providing them any kind of foothold. If this was a regular game, I'd be seeing NQT denouncing my ideas just like everyone else YET still providing and honoring the good name of logic.
If this was a regular game, I'd not be seeing you sitting there, probably moping or just wearing that apathy-face as a mask. I'd be seeing you play. Or in the least, link back to why you believe 'x' should be lynched. Why, in the least, you'd not be hoping on emotional tells for safety.
If you're not scum--you're third-party. Third-party, who doesn't seem to want to help.
I recall one game wherein you were the SK. Toaster's Roguelike, yeah? You fought damn well there. Nobody expected you to be an SK.
Does this game prove that most Mafia players only move towards their wincon and not act on principle? Most likely!
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I know that we don't really know what's going on in this game. I've got only the slither of the inkling. I want to tell you all about it, but you need to keep me alive until tomorrow.I'd provide a good concise list of 'why Leafsnail is blowing hot air into this scenario, and winning.' but then nobody listens to me too! To round the essence of the statement back to you. Look back, he's really topping it off.
Nobody addressed my fear of 'President dies - game over', despite it being as valid as Leafsnail's 'Bellsounder-idea' on you. Ah well.
Scum-kill me in the night. I'm through. I could've in the least asked for a nicer role background, but no. I like beards and that is it. Woop-dee-doo. I can't even revel in the flavor.
NQT: Get your face out of the muck and fight this garbage heap trying to overwhelm you and BE THAT PERSON I BELIEVED IN.
Also you forgot to address MOWE, and Toaster, and those other people doing everything else but post here (no offense). Why don't you do that? :I
Post by: notquitethere on February 04, 2014, 07:22:25 am
Tiruin: NQT has been evasive and, frankly, a tad irritating and condescending for a while. I don't have any evidence against anyone, but NQT has been behaving highly defensive all game, and has been trying to start a bandwagon against the most obvious target instead of trying to find more information about others.Bullshit and if you took more than a moment to think about it, you'd realise this: I was the one who asked everyone the most questions about wincons and their Evil status. I wanted to get to the bottom of this. Finding me irritating isn't a good reason to lynch and is probably counter to your hidden wincon.
Also, he has been claiming some game-changing information that nobody else has, which, to me, smacks of trying to avoid a lynch. A lynch he wasn't even in danger of, before he said that.Or, I do actually have that information. You realise that you're contradicting yourself here: how could I be trying to avoid being lynched when I wasn't even in danger of it?
Leafsnail
I've already made my position clear: NQT = Good, players who did not receive an alignment = not good or evil. If you were Good then why didn't webadict tell you you were in your role PM? Why would he make a special exception for NQT?You consistently and conveniently ignore this:
If you're not told you're Evil, you're not Evil.
You could then ask why you, as a neutral person should vote for NQT and not me, and to that I'd point to the mountain of knowledge that NQT is sitting on, and the fact that the moderator was trying to trick you into thinking he's confirmed town. Those factors both scream "bastard scum" far louder than "three players who were told they were evil but who got no extra knowledge or abilities".I don't have a mountain of knowledge. I just know one big thing and it's of the exact same kind of information that I know other people. That you can't seem to work it out is pleasing because if you could you wouldn't be trying to lynch me.
It's possibly that neutral and evil have different goals, but I'm pretty sure that both of us are anti-Good because NQT is clearly bastard scum.Clearly? I don't think it's so clear to most of the players in this game.
Yeah, NQT is playing poorly. But that's not surprising considering that NQT is a poor scum player.Nonsense. The only time I've played regular scum I won. I usually get given town or third party roles. Also, none of us have clear wincons and I've openly stated what I'm taking to be my wincon: getting rid of you, Ranger and Darkstar. Does that sound like a scum wincon? It's what I'm aiming at. You're dead tomorrow.
I'm not advocating for him because his claim is clearly false. Either he doesn't actually have that knowledge and he's lying to save his skin, or he does have that knowledge because he's scum.Or, as is actually the case, I have knowledge of the same kind that many other players have openly stated to have, that is counter to Evil.
It's already Day 1 and all the people I've taken to be scum have claimed. What point is there now in scum hunting? This 'game' (if it is even a game) has only a superficial resemblance to a regular mafia game.No. It'll make sense tomorrow if I'm still alive to tell you. You'll all be kicking yourself.I've just realized: this is absolutely bizarre. As town NQT almost always argues exclusively with facts: vote count analysis, role flips, postcount numbers. But this is a straight-up appeal to emotion that has no logical basis, it doesn't fit with the way NQT plays town at all.
No, it clearly is not remotely the same kind of information. Other than my role I have very vague information that kindof hints towards what my win condition might be if you squint a bit (in fact, I've already claimed it and no-one cared because it wasn't very interesting). Yours, on the other hand, apparently contains devastating information that would blow the entire game wide open if it were made public (but only on day one). It also apparently specifically says you cannot be lynched on day one. That means you clearly have far, far more information than any of the rest of us.No, it doesn't say I can't be lynched on day 1: I've only said that would be a bad idea given the lack of clarity over mechanics. I've only had one small piece of information and it's the same kind that other players have had. For a supposedly hot shot puzzle solver, you haven't paid enough attention to realise what it is.
Cheese
I'm not voting Cado, I need him (her, whatever) alive.Why?
Tiruin
Also you forgot to address MOWE, and ToasterI didn't forget: they're voting the same way as I am so they're OK by me.
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 07:32:26 am
4mask: Your reason for voting NQT is immature (meaning: not wholly conceived as logical). You vote him because of behavior? What basis do you have that his behavior makes him scum? Next, compare it to Leafsnail--I could also say that his 'smooth talk' is a null tell as he isn't the one being directly under pressure. That's a thing with the crowdmind.
You don't like NQT? I don't like NQT. However let me tell you a story:
One time at sea, there were these mutineers. They wanted to kill the Captain for being such a big jerk, but the Captain was a fierce man, and could only be taken down in numbers--he had two associates. Now the problem was telling loyalist from mutineer, and the storm of subterfuge grew in the days passing. One mutineer-unbeknownst to the rest-was not...that good with words, so to speak. It came to pass that the boiling point happened. Most of the mutiny was heading for failure if it were not for that mutineer--was it his fault? No. The choice came down to two people that COULD'VE saved the whole mutiny if it were not for their blind rage at what just happened. The stroke of the moment passed, and disaster befell the mutineers. The Captain executed the lot, and the trio were left with more rations than they could imagine. The Cap'n and his loyal crew feasted and reveled over this glory that not one of their number died in the mishap.
The lesson: Don't judge by damn emotions. If you'd like my opinion-I'm speaking from the figurehead here. You don't want to feel my emotions.
So tell me-Why are you voting NQT?
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 07:37:39 am
-check this thing. Reflect.-Because I seriously can't see any GAME-OVER scenario with an NQT-ded by today.
Post by: Caz on February 04, 2014, 07:58:44 am
For those people who lack time in reading and why I'M REALLY WANTING TO VOTE LEAFSNAIL.-check this thing. Reflect.-Because I seriously can't see any GAME-OVER scenario with an NQT-ded by today.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 08:17:09 am
Tiruin pours glue on the teacher's desk. Nooo way nobody will catch her nope!
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Caz for third-party prankster.
Post by: Leafsnail on February 04, 2014, 08:28:39 am
Post by: webadict on February 04, 2014, 09:03:34 am
Are you hungry?How about this, though:
You play your character right
And I'll answer things.
Scanning enviroment...
Twelve other lifeforms found. ForeachLifeform(x) GetLifeformIdentity(x) ... Lifeforms = Human
Searching database for objective. .. ... Objective not found. Error analysis underway. .. ...
Data corrupted. Remedial steps underway. GetSolutionFromEnviroment. .. ...
Solution found. Contacting outside authority. Speech module online.
"Mr. Badict, Requesting directive."
"Mr. Badict, if a meteor of such dimensions that it would fill our sky and be easily apparent to the casual onlooker is summoned-what would be the relative strength of the summoner? Or does the answer lie in the container (ie a book) in which the summoning occurs?The strength of the summoner makes no difference. Summonings tend to be weaker magic. Now, if someone had created that monstrosity, I'd probably let them skip a few grades.
If the second question is a yes, why can we not view it at this desired time?
Mr Badict: If I may speak against our class president-whom I mean no malice- (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4970473#msg4970473)what differences exist between a summoned meteor of any easily-available schoolbook and a real meteor? Are there any sections of which in history which details the differences in summoning?Well, in this case, both would destroy the world equally. But, we had that book clearly kept in the restricted zone. Which means you could only check it out if you snuck past the white line. Who would do such a thing?
Wuba: How many classes do we have a day?Sick of mine already?
Mr. Badict, can we begin our lesson? It's almost as interesting as burning the homework.You could always read up, but... you burned your book, didn't you? Well, just don't go burning EVERY book.
DarkStarMoral instruction? What are we, your role models?
Mr Badict, is moral instruction in the curriculum? Also, can I go home, sir? I'm definitely not feeling very well.
And no. You can't go home, princess.
My BadictWe did, Nerjin. We did.I would say to review the First Battle of Terra, but you probably won't have time to take the quiz at the end of the week.Uh... who won the First Battle of Terra?
Tiruin pours glue on the teacher's desk. Nooo way nobody will catch her nope!... Tiruin, I expected much better from you.
OOC: Excuse my lateness. I had a bad headache last Night.
Post by: Silthuri on February 04, 2014, 09:07:38 am
Is there actually a thing where they win if they survive a certain amount of time (aside from the whole game).
And how in the world is NQT like a jester? I finally looked it up and unless I'm reading the wrong thing (which is possible, I might add), I don't see how this is plausible. Unless by trying to desperately convince us to let them live they're secretly convincing us to lynch them. And even then, why would we just go along with it?!?!?
Ugh, this is making no sense!!! Why can't we just let him live one day? Seriously. Is he a suicide mage that's going to kill everyone if he survives the day? ...Is that possible? Oh no, what if that's possible!?!
*Runs around the room screaming*
On a more serious note, I would be posting more, but I have two exams this week and I'm struggling to find time.
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 09:23:48 am
We'll eat you as a sandwich one day..or put you in the freezer, but still. *hugs*
On a more serious note, I would be posting more, but I have two exams this week and I'm struggling to find time.I have exams tomorrow and finished one today and vote Leafsnail thanks. :)
I am totally playing this straight.
Ugh, this is making no sense!!! Why can't we just let him live one day? Seriously. Is he a suicide mage that's going to kill everyone if he survives the day? ...Is that possible? Oh no, what if that's possible!?!This is my point! D:<
*Runs around the room screaming*
There is exactly little detriment if NQT is let to live just one darn day.
Mr. Badict! Your payroll is in jeopardy. (Which will make a No-Lynch)
Post by: Toaster on February 04, 2014, 09:38:47 am
Are you hungry?How about this, though:
You play your character right
And I'll answer things.
Scanning enviroment...
Twelve other lifeforms found. ForeachLifeform(x) GetLifeformIdentity(x) ... Lifeforms = Human
Searching database for objective. .. ... Objective not found. Error analysis underway. .. ...
Data corrupted. Remedial steps underway. GetSolutionFromEnviroment. .. ...
Solution found. Contacting outside authority. Speech module online.
"Mr. Badict, Requesting directive."
Query received. CheckStatus(Hungry) . .. ... return True. AnswerQuestion("Mr. Badict", True)
Speech module online.
"True."
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 04, 2014, 09:58:15 am
Unvote, if you must. NQT has made significantly more sense after waking up.
NQT: could you clarify what you said about the class election. If this is the election, shouldn't we vote for you? If no harm will come to anyone otherwise? Isn't that a good thing?
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 10:05:00 am
'E'lection?
o_o
Are..wait
NQT: could you clarify what you said about the class election. If this is the election, shouldn't we vote for you? If no harm will come to anyone otherwise? Isn't that a good thing?Whaaaaaaat?!
He said something about an election!? Is THAT what all this vote shenanigans are for?
Post by: Toaster on February 04, 2014, 10:07:27 am
How DO we know something bad happens to the person with the most votes?
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 10:12:53 am
That is what I'm basing '"why" > mass-vote' for.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 04, 2014, 10:28:48 am
The bolded part.
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 10:34:10 am
That was real clever. o_o
...
Hey, why not lynch me? If it's bad-we don't lose anything (unless my ability works and is passed AFTER day end but before night [dusk]...) and I get to be freely silenced and have really bad tormented flavor describing how I die. If it's good: Yay new class president(?)???
Post by: notquitethere on February 04, 2014, 10:34:53 am
NQT: could you clarify what you said about the class election. If this is the election, shouldn't we vote for you? If no harm will come to anyone otherwise? Isn't that a good thing?The class election thing I said was just for Tiruin who wanted me to narrate something harmless to happen in case I'm 'lynched'. There's no actual reason to suppose anything I say will have any influence on the mechanics or setting of this game. To reiterate, I definitely don't want people to vote for me as I don't really believe this vote is for the class election.
Tiruin
Why are you voting Wuba? At this stage a no-lynch is not going to happen, so you're functionally voting for me to be lynched. Also the 'election' stuff is just something nice I made up, just like getting a slice of cake and in no way constituted a claim of any kind.
Post by: Nerjin on February 04, 2014, 11:52:51 am
"You bribed your way into office!" Leafsnail said as he smiled. Having lost the election this was a rather interesting turn of events.
"Shut up! SHUT UP! Oh my Toad!" NotQuiteThere slammed her hand on her desk and proceeded to kick it over "You are all idiots! Fools! Morons! I AM YOUR PRESIDENT! YOU WILL OBEY ME!"
"You're no president of mine." Another student said as he shook his head "Summoning meteors? How could you?"
"YOU IDIOT! I DIDN'T SUMMON ANYTHING! I CAN'T SUMMON ANYTHING! I AM YOUR QUEEN! YOUR EMPRESS! HOW COULD YOU BETRAY ME!? FOOLS! ALL OF YOU!" NotQuiteThere's ranting turned rabid as she started simply shouting about her surpreme power within class "I DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS! ME! NOT YOU! I WAS ELECTED! I AM THE POWER OF THE CLASS! NO ONE ELSE IS CAPABLE OF OVERSEEING YOU! MY TOAD SOMEONE JUST FUCKING SHOOT ME-" A gunshot rang out as NotQuiteThere fell over.
"As you wish, Ms. President." Dr. Nerjin said from the doorway, his revolver smoking.
"You shot a student!? AWESOME! That'll make a great story!" Vectoria shouted as she started scribbling away in her book.
"Is... She dead?" One student asked.
"Of course! She just got shot by the greatest handgun in the world. The Col-" Dr. Nerjin started but was interrupted.
"OH MY TOAD! YOU SHOT ME!?" NotQuiteThere yelled from the floor as she cradled the wound.
"Oh uh... yes. You said to."
"YOU SHOT ME!"
"It was a reference to-"
"YOU SHOOTING ME!?"
"Yes, that." Dr. Nerjin replied. This little girl was starting to get bothersome.
"Toad damn it..." She muttered before standing up. Blood pouring down her chest from the bullet wound.
"Are you gonna be okay?" Tiruin asked as they examined the wound.
"No! I just got shot you fucking moron! God this wouldn't have happened if you assholes hadn't voted me! When I get back from the Nurse's office I am going to throw all of you, ALL OF YOU, into the school's dungeon! You'll regret the day you voted me!"
"OH!? Didn't we tell you?" Vectoria asked looking at Dr. Nerjin as though she expected him to care "Yeah, NotQuiteThere is town. Through and through."
"They knew it you fucking idiot!"
"That's not very nice..." Dr. Nerjin chimed in.
"Neither is shooting me!"
With a shrug Dr. Nerjin said "Point Taken. Come on, I wanna go hit on the nurse with my Nanomachines. I'll walk you up there. After all, you're pretty good."
"Pretty... good?" NotQuiteThere said before passing out from lack of blood. Thankfully she revived later at the nurse's office perfectly fine. Other than the fact that she'd have to stay out of class for the next few days.
NotQuiteThere has been lynched. She was the Class President
Quote from: NotQuiteThere
Class President – You were elected due to humble beginnings, a clear and efficient plan of improvement, thousands of dollars in propaganda, and a hefty dose of bribery. But everyone trusts you and your deep pockets at least. After all, you know what’s best and so does your cabinet, Mr. Franklin, Mr. Lincoln, and Mr. Jefferson.
Item = [[It's rude to go through people's things so no one really knows what she had.]]
Female
(Auto) Goody Two Shoes: You start off the game as a Confirmed Townie. Don't let it get to your head, princess.
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz - Hapah, [1]
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Extend Used) Leafsnail -
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
notquitethere - Leafsnail, Caz, makeinu, RangerCado, [4]
(Extend Used) RangerCado - Toaster, notquitethere, MyOwnWorstEnemy,[3]
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
No Lynch - Tiruin, [1]
Not Voting - HissihnWalnuts, TheDarkStar, Mastahcheese, 4maskwolf [4]
Night 1 has started, Night ends in 48 hours. Class will resume on: Thursday, February 6th at 12PM.
Keep an eye out for Vectoria's midnight flavor! Should be up sometime before class starting again!
Post by: notquitethere on February 04, 2014, 12:58:02 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 06:53:33 pm
No bah or sentimental peek.
You post when time isn't right.
Don't you dare speak in the night. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3Vdo5etCQ)
Or in a happier tune:
Silence reigns,
during the night nobody speaks;
there is no light for you to seek,
the freedom from your chains. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnzMNdbe96c)
Post by: webadict on February 06, 2014, 07:13:16 pm
Your teacher's dead.
Just kidding, but that makes the next news better, right?
Night is lasting until Friday afternoon. Which is like 24 hours from this point. Because work. And life. And because I said so.
See you in 30 hours, probably.
Post by: RangerCado on February 07, 2014, 02:49:21 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 08, 2014, 11:36:32 pm
Night is lasting until Friday afternoon. Which is like 24 hours from this point. Because work. And life. And because I said so.
Based on this, has the day started yet, or are just waiting for a mod to post about the night events?
Post by: Tiruin on February 09, 2014, 12:25:00 am
Post by: Nerjin on February 10, 2014, 11:02:47 pm
In the kingdom of Terrestria there existed a beautiful Queen. She was one of the most, if not THE most, beautiful creatures on the planet. The very angels themselves, except one, wept when they witnessed her beauty. Peasants would come from far and near and the marriage offers came daily by the cartload.
However, the Queen wasn’t interested in marriage or divinity or peasants or love or any great number of things. Only one thing interested her. Power. She sought it unendingly and without question. For many years she sought power and attained it as possible. However the peasantry began to catch wind of her desires.
“Our Queen is known to seek only power! She must be stopped!” Cried the Clergy who feared she would consort with demons.
“No, she treats us well. The might of the military is unending! None can stand before us! Without her we would be lost!” Cried the soldiers.
“Yes! She treats us well! Our families reap bountiful harvests thanks to her laws! Without her we would starve!”
“We could not agree more!” Cried the nobles “She has been fair and equitable in sharing her power with us! Without her we would be forced to squabble for power!”
And so nothing was done that year.
As the Queen’s power grew however she began to seek magical artifacts. She gained a magical crown from the heavens that allowed her to see parts of the future. Her kingdom flourished with her guidance! Military victories were all but guaranteed while droughts and floods could be properly prepared for allowing for an unending surplus of food. Everyone grew large with both coin and food.
“Our Queen has ruined us!” Cried the Military Leaders “With her crown she has no need of us and so has removed us from power! We must get rid of her!”
“Agreed! The crown is obviously a demonic artifact!” Cried the Clergy.
“No! Not our beloved Queen!” Cried the peasants “Without her warnings we would be starving in the streets!”
“Agreed! With her powers of future-sight we are able to focus more on our home-lives! We will not harm her!” Shouted the nobles.
And so nothing was done for another five years.
During this time the Queen gained a magical staff which allowed her to see into hearts of men and gods. With its power she was able to gain the knowledge of thousands of experts over-night making her the most intelligent and most beautiful woman in the land. Now all spent their time partying, throwing festivals, and feasting.
“We must depose the Queen!” Shouted the nobles “With her staff she has stolen our knowledge and no longer needs us! We are but peasants now thanks to her!”
“Yes! She has built impossible siege weaponry! The entire military is now out-dated!” Cried the Military “We cannot wage war now as she needs us not!”
“We agree!” Cried the Clergy “She seeks to become a god! This is the foulest sort of blasphemy!”
“No! Not our beloved Queen!” Yelled the Peasants “She protects us and we are able to eat and drink to our hearts content of the surplus of food and goods! We shall not raise arms against her!”
And so a decade passed without incident.
However the unending parties began to give rise to laziness within the kingdom. As Farmers traded their plows for pitchers of mead they grew larger and happier. However one day the Queen herself rode throughout the countryside to enjoy her unending power and that was her ruin.
“See the Queen’s beauty! She must be a demon!” Shouted the Clergy.
“See the Queen’s Staff! She must be a sorceress!” Cried the Military.
“See the Queen’s Crown! She must be vain!” Cried the Nobles.
“See the Queen’s Lust for Power! She must be destroyed!” Cried even the peasants.
It was the next day that the Kingdom gathered to watch their Queen be executed. For her part she seemed just as beautiful as always. Just as powerful.
“The God’s granted me nothing throughout my life. Even Robosaurus, the Celestial Bloom is trash beneath my feet. I will see each of you in hell! Without me you are nothing but maggots!” With that the Queen’s gorgeous head flew from her neck and landed within a gilded basket.
“The Evil Queen is dead! We may now rejoice!” Cried the populace as they resumed eating and drinking to their hearts content.
However food supplies began dwindling as floods and droughts became unpredictable.
Many military attacks upon the kingdom dwindled the population as the Military had become unused to war.
Finally the warring nobles tore the country apart with their constant bickering.
Many centuries passed until the kingdom had forgotten there ever was a golden age. They forgot there was a time where everyone was taken care of. When everyone was fed to bursting. When everyone was under the power of a single infallible Queen. A Queen who forever was, and forever will be, not quite there.
Post by: webadict on February 11, 2014, 10:49:51 am
Monday-Thursday, I get up at about 8:00 and check Bay12. I reply, message, and moderate for about an hour or so. Then, I shower, eat breakfast, and then leave for work. I check B12 while I'm at work a couple of times, and reply a few times. Then, I make it home around 7:30, and quickly make something to eat, get on Skype and chat with friends. I then do more B12 stuff.
On Fridays, I have to get up early for work. I'm also pretty tired of posting to B12 (This isn't meant to be mean, it just is a bit taxing on my mind.) So, I usually quit posting on Friday, and occasionally look on Saturday and Sunday.
Overall, I spend about 10 hours on B12 a week. Maybe more. Probably more.
Last night, I went to bed at about 11 and woke up this morning around 7:40. I got up, exercised, ate breakfast, got ready, and it was 9:05. And during that time, I realized how much time I used here. It's a lot. Astounding. And I can't do it anymore. I have to leave.
I like you guys. Y'all are fine people. And I understand if you hate me for leaving in the middle of modding (Sorry Nerjin).
It's a small step, but it's big to me. It took someone trying to kill me to finally find out that my life was worth something. And I hid a long time. But, I'm not doing enough in here. I'm not doing enough for myself.
So, hurray. I'd like to claim I'm free, but I don't want you to think it was this that was keeping me down. B12 was just a rock to hide under for a while. Scared of the world outside. Scared of the world in here. Scared of everything. I'm way too big for a rock, anyway.
Anyhow, see ya later, guys. Or maybe not. But, you can chat with me on Steam if you want. Surprisingly, I'm named webadict. And if you don't, well that's fine too. Just have a good life. I'm planning on having a good life. Psh, what am I saying, I already have one.
If anyone ever shows up in Minneapolis, find out a way to say hi to me.
Peace guys.
Post by: Nerjin on February 11, 2014, 11:03:59 am
I assume everyone still wants to play? If so could you please PM me your actions, I don't have most of them. I'm still willing to mod if you guys still want to play.
Post by: Hapah on February 11, 2014, 11:14:06 am
Nerjin: I can and will still play, but the game is honestly stressing me out a little, lol.
Post by: Toaster on February 11, 2014, 11:15:10 am
o7
It's been a good run, and we'll miss you. Have fun out there!
Post by: Shakerag on February 11, 2014, 11:22:12 am
Hey guys. I'm afraid I have to leave. Forever.I've heard that one before.
No more BYORs for the forseeable future :( Guess I'll go back to lurking.
Post by: Nerjin on February 11, 2014, 11:29:09 am
That being said with everything happening:
Night 1 Extended to February 13th 5PM
Post by: Caz on February 11, 2014, 11:41:45 am
Post by: notquitethere on February 11, 2014, 01:12:55 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 11, 2014, 04:39:24 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on February 11, 2014, 04:49:17 pm
I'm not a member of this game, but I don't really know where else to say bye.
Post by: RangerCado on February 11, 2014, 05:10:54 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on February 11, 2014, 06:32:44 pm
Nerjin: I'm still in. I'm pretty sure I sent my action to both of you guys, do you sill have it?
Post by: Silthuri on February 11, 2014, 07:35:45 pm
Nerjin: I'm still in this. I'll send you the PM in a bit.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 11, 2014, 07:46:16 pm
I'm still in, and I'll send my item in a minute.
Post by: Vector on February 13, 2014, 12:48:31 am
“Sup bitches! I’m your new sub!” Vectoria announced as she sat on Mr. Badict’s desk causing it to bend inwards. Less due to the thin frame of Vectoria. More to do with the large tome that was sitting on her lap.
I only found out about this today.
oh my god
Post by: NativeForeigner on February 13, 2014, 03:30:55 am
You were a great mod and I'll miss that. But really though, I hope life treats you well and I'm happy for you that you're taking this step. I'm sure you'll keep moving forward in life.
If we're ever in Minneapolis, I'll hit you up on Steam so we can meet.
Post by: Nerjin on February 13, 2014, 11:00:39 am
Nerjin: I'm still in. I'm pretty sure I sent my action to both of you guys, do you sill have it?
I might. Better safe than sorry, if you resend it I'll count the resent actions before the original [If I can find it]
Post by: Nerjin on February 13, 2014, 07:01:00 pm
Post by: Nerjin on February 15, 2014, 11:06:41 am
“Beep boop, I am a princess!”
“… Uh huh…” Vectoria says looking up from her giant book for the first time in a few days. “So is everyone here? Role-call time? Eh, fuck it. You all look like you’re here and I’m sure after such a long amount of time not being here you’re eager to get into things. First thing’s first, however, a small story!”
The class collectively groans as Vectoria reads:
Succubi are a demon from the lower planes of hell summoned in order to give unbelievable pleasure to males in exchange for their souls. There are some who claimed they were able to do so and survive. All of them liars. These men had summoned nothing more than vague stories from their minds and used it to trick lesser mages into adoring their power.
In all the history of all the worlds there existed only one man who had every summoned a true succubus and lives.
This man lived in a small town in the north. Though he had often heard of magic rituals he had never truly seen one nor did he have any interest in committing one. His was a simple farmer’s life. He would go to the fields in the morning, tend his crops, then his animals, stop briefly for a meager lunch, and then he would tend to his animals yet again before heading inside to sleep. What his life lacked in excitement it more than made up for in happiness. Though he lived alone he always felt fulfilled. Surely he could move to a larger town and gather more money. But he did not want this. His simple life was more than enough for him.
His life was uprooted by a simple accident. A aspiring mage had walked to his barn to collect some ingredients for a summoning ritual he planned to commit. This was not an unknown occurrence to the farmer. The mages always needed blood or some such from his cows to summon something or another. Normally he would pay them no mind and simply tend his fields. However one of the ingredients, goat semen, caught the farmer’s interest. He didn’t know of any rituals that required this. Deciding to watch for a few moments he asked the blue robed man:
“What is it you’re trying to summon my friend?”
The mage, a young comely fellow, seemed rather embarrassed when he answered “A-A succubus…”
The Farmer did not know exactly what a succubus was. It sounded familiar, as a distant story from his youth, but he did find himself growing more curious as the mage finished his acquisition of ingredients. “Mind doing it here friend? I’ve never seen a summoning. Might be interesting.”
“Uh…” The Mage looked at the farmer as though only now seeing him for who he was “I… Guess. If it floats your boat to watch go right ahead.” And with no further delay the mage began his incantations and circle drawing.
The Farmer watched in amazement as the small circle the Mage had drawn in the dirt became wider and more intricate without any extra work. Truly magic was an amazing thing. However, the circle itself stopped expanding as the Mage poured a vial of cow’s blood into it and called “Now rise my Succubus! Serve my pleasures!”
The Farmer watched for several moments as nothing happened. “Did you do it right?”
“Yes… I… I must have! I read and re-read the ritual a thousand times over! This was supposed to be it! Goat semen, sheep’s wool, and blood! “
“Maybe you should double check the book? I won’t mess with the circle friend. I have chores that need doing. Besides, shouldn’t take too long for you to pop off to that fancy mage school right?”
The mage considered this. Thought the Farmer’s words carried a light hearted mockery he knew the Farmer to be a man of his word. The circle would hold for the few days it would take to travel there and back. “Very well. Please… Farmer… Do not let anyone see this circle or interfere with it. It could end… badly.”
“Alright, alright. You run off now. I’ll keep an eye on the circle.”
With no more exchange the two men parted to their respective tasks. The Farmer tended his fields, then his animals, stopped for a meager lunch, then tended his animals again. This time he noticed the circle glowing brightly. With a sigh the farmer figured he should go find something to cover it up. A small patch of cloth should do nicely. So thinking he went to grab a towel from nearby [for use in cleaning his tools] and cringed as he accidently cut a large gash in his arm that bled heavily for a few moments.
“Damn it!” The Farmer cried in pain as he applied to towel to his arm to staunch the bleeding. He felt a small pull from somewhere within his heart. “No! No no no! I can’t be losing that much!” He cried in panic. Who would look after his farm if he died!? Lifting the cloth the Farmer examined the wound.
Or would have if there had been a wound. “What?”
“The summoning is complete master. I am here for your pleasure.” Came a sultry voice from behind him.
Turning around the Farmer was greeted by one of the most beautiful women he had ever seen. She had a plain face and a body toned by years of hard work. Though her hair wasn’t lustrous it was cropped short to avoid it tangling into things as the owner worked. The farmer saw this and felt his heart stop. She was everything he wanted in a woman and more. It took him several moments to realize that she had leathery wings like a bat and horns.
“Demon!” The Farmer cried “The mage was summoning a demon!”
“If that’s what you want baby. I’ll look like whatever you want.” The Demon smiled as she glanced down. “What?” She seemed confused at her current form. Why was she so plain. Most men who summoned her wanted impossible breasts and wide hips. Fiery hair and ruby red lipstick. But she looked like a peasant. Why?
“Back to your plane demon! I have no need of you! The mage who summoned you has already left. Go and join him.”
Shaking away her confusion the Demon sighed “Fraid not Farm-boy. I can sense the blood that summoned me. It was you. Your blood went in the circle, I am yours to… ravish.” Though the majority of her speech carried with it the tone of a skilled seductress the last line showed that she was not entirely sure if her current form was actually pleasing.
“I’ll have none of any ravishing demon! If I summoned you it was an accident. I release you!” The Farmer cried aloud. He had seen certain mages dismiss their imps and spirits in a similar fashion. Maybe it’d work for him?
“Nope. Not until I get your soul. I’m stuck here. Let’s just do this.” She began removing her clothes. Far from the revealing leather most summoned her in she was wearing simple, peasant clothes.
“No.” The Farmer said as he put his hand upon her arm to stop her. His heart skipped a beat from touching such a lovely woman.
“What?” No one had ever said no after seeing her. It must be the form.
The Farmer took a deep breath and sighed “I will not take advantage of you like that. I did not mean to summon you. However I will not treat you as a common whore. You are more than welcome to spend the night within my home if you wish. It is my fault you are here away from your home after all apparently. Upon the morrow we can go into town and find a way to release you from this bond.”
The Succubus smiled. So this was the game he wanted to play. She’d had these kinds before. They wanted to act like the bigger man and then claim a ‘reward’ afterwards. Alright, she could play along.
But to her surprise every offer of the ‘reward’ was turned down quickly and politely. The following morning the Farmer tended his fields as the Demon watched, cared for his animals as the Demon watched, shared a meager lunch with the demon, and then tended his fields again. Sadly The Farmer admitted that he wouldn’t be able to do anything to help her that day due to the overwhelming need of his farm. However he promised her that he had done enough that day to allow himself a day away.
The next morning saw the succubus quite frustrated. Two days without claiming his ‘reward’ was a large insult to her. She could show him pleasure beyond anything in the mortal realm and yet he insisted, INSISTED, that they could not. Was she truly a failure as a succubus?
The entire trip to town found her mood improving however as he told her of his life. The amount of simplicity did seem rather relaxing she’d admit. But what surprised her most, and improved her mood, was when he inquired about her own life. She began to tell him about all the various ‘exploits’ she had committed with mortals.
“No not that.”
“What?”
“I don’t wanna hear about men having their way with you. Tell me about you. What do you like? What do you do for fun? What was it like growing up in hell?”
The Succubus was surprised. No one had ever actually wanted to know about her real personal life. They just wanted the sex-demon stereotype. It had been so long that she had to think long and hard about it “Well… I actually want to be promoted into a demon of rage. If I can gather enough souls I might be able to increase my power in the underworld. As for fun… Well I do like my job but… Well um… I like painting.” This was the start of a very long discussion of her life in hell. She was somewhat sad to see the town come into view. But more than that she was surprised by the lack of looks she got. No men drooled over her unnaturally large breasts [which this form lacked] and no women stared with lust. They treated her just like anyone else. They didn’t even seem to notice the wings [though few did. It was a common thing for those who summoned the succubus to not broadcast the fact. Just as her form changed for the summoner, the summoner’s will could shape others perception of her to a degree.]
They arrived at the local mage guild only to find that the farmer’s fear was true. She could not be dismissed until she had taken his soul. The Mage who had intended to be the summoner was quite livid to say the least but said nothing to avoid being expunged from the guild.
“So… How does it work?” The Farmer asked her on their way back to the farm.
“Do you know how sex works?”
“Yes, in theory.”
“Just like that.”
“Oh…”
The following day saw no change in the Farmer’s routine. He tended his crops while talking to the Demon, he tended his animals as he laughed at her jokes, he shared his meager lunch with her and talked of his fears, and he tended his crops while teaching her how to do the same.
Every day for the next year followed suit. He would go about his chores with her pitching in where she could. As they worked together they began to feel a bond. It was a truly wondrous time for the succubus who began to feel as if she wanted to stay with the Farmer forever. Soul or no soul he was the only creature, demon, or man to ever take an interest in her personally. On the one year anniversary of their meeting the routine changed slightly.
“Ma’am.” The Farmer was shaking her awake gently. This was the first divergence of the day as he usually let her sleep as long as she wanted.
“Yes Farmer?” She asked straightening her clothes.
“I want you to come outside with me for a moment.”
The two walked outside to find a small painting canvas and several simple paints sitting there. Curious she looked to the Farmer for an explanation.
“You’ve uh…” he stated blushing heavily “Mentioned early on that you um… liked to paint. I… Saved up some money and got you this. So you can do something other than um… Be bored helping me.”
She didn’t know what to say to that so she simply kissed his cheek gently “Thank you very much Farmer.”
“No problem Ma’am.”
Several more years passed as the Farmer’s existence stayed the same. He would tend the crops while she painted him, he would tend the animals as she painted him, he would share a decent lunch with her while admiring her paintings which numbered higher each day, and finally they would both tend to the crops again.
The man found that for all the sameness his life had it was infinitely better with her presence. Finally one day he said to her “I want to marry you.”
Her eyes bulged as she sputtered out “Wh-why?”
“You’re a hard working woman and… I just feel way closer to you than I ever have a mortal woman.”
She nearly smiled but felt an overwhelming sense of dread “I cannot.”
“Oh… You… Don’t feel the same…” The Farmer said trying to keep the tears from his voice. He had always thought she had loved him back but…
“No! I do! I do! It’s just… We can’t marry. I’m a demon. Marriage is a holy institution. I can literally not marry you.”
“But you would if you could?”
“Oh yes! Yes! I wish more than anything that I could!” She said assuringly.
Standing up he walked across the table and kissed her upon the lips before he said “Well that’s good enough for me. We need to tend the crops again. Wish to help?”
Years drifted by as minutes did for the Farmer. His hair grew grey and his eye-sight dimmed. But always beside him was the Demon. Their love endured seasons, and years, and decades. Not once did the Farmer ever try to complete the contract between them. But neither did the Succubus. They enjoyed their life together simply as they always did. She would tend the crops as he feebly tried to help, she would tend the animals as he fought the urge to sleep, she would feed him what he was capable of eating, and in the evening she would tuck him into bed before she tended the crops again.
Soon the man was upon his death bed with only her at his side. Through all the years his friends had either left the town or died. She was his only remaining link in this world.
“What happens when I am gone?” The man wheezed.
“I don’t know. The Heavens or the Hells. I wouldn’t know.”
The man laughed “I feel like I’m hoping for the wrong one. Most want heaven. But without you there it would be worse than the deepest pit of hell. Tell me… Will I see you there?”
The succubus fought back her tears “No… Despite being with me all this time you… You’re bound for the heavens.”
“Damn…” The man turned away from her for a moment before he had an idea “We never finished the ritual did we?”
“What are you-?”
“If we make love… My soul will go to hell… With you.”
“No…” She said in shock. She couldn’t believe he would try such a thing.
“We can do that right? I would go to hell. Copulation with a demon must be vile enough to get me sen-“
“I won’t let you!” She cried out, her eyes full of tears “You were nothing but good! You’ll find someone else in heaven.”
The Man inhaled “Without you there… It will be eternal torment.” And that breath was his last.
She sat by the body for several days silently. Apparently her “master’s” death did not release her from the contract. So she picked up where he had left off. She tended the crops while crying for her lost love, she tended the animals and bemoaned her fate, she ate a meager lunch and saved some for her lover though he would never share it with her, and finally she tended the crops before crying herself to sleep.
She continued on this tribute to the only man she ever loved for several years before she was visited in the night by a holy spirit.
“What do you want angel?” She asked wiping tears away from her eyes.
“You will address me as Vita Fons, The Eternal Fountain. I am here on the request of your late lover.”
“What do you mean?”
“He wishes to see you.”
“Am… Am I able?” She asked. She knew the forces of heaven would not often allow demons into their midst though it was not unheard of.
“He has requested it non-stop since the day he died. Come, I will be your escort.”
It is not agreed upon at this point what happened next. Some say that the Succubus was forced to return to Earth and tended the farm faithfully ever after once her visit with The Farmer was concluded. Others say that she was able to visit him once a day. Others still say that the power of their love was so strong that she ascended her demonic heritage and joined the pantheon of angels and spent eternity with the man she loved. What is agreed upon is that through the rest of eternity both The Farmer and The Succubus’ love never faltered, never swayed, and they still love each other to this day.
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz -
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Extend Used) Leafsnail -
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
(Extend Used) RangerCado -
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
Not Voting - Everyone!
Day 2 has started! Day 2 will end on: Wednesday 19th, 2014 at 5pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 15, 2014, 02:52:03 pm
Also, it been four days short of a MONTH to get here.
A few things: First, why is NQT's name still in the vote list? Second, who was checking RangerCado last night and what was their read? Third, why did no one die? Either the kill target was protected or there is no scumkill in this game.
Post by: Nerjin on February 15, 2014, 03:00:43 pm
First, why is NQT's name still in the vote list?
It's not.I made a mistake.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 15, 2014, 08:48:31 pm
AfterThat was me, while it did say that they were a meteor summoner (and evil), it also said that I already knew that...a long and rambling tale that I skipped readinga great narrative by Vectoria, let's keep playing.
Also, it been four days short of a MONTH to get here.
A few things: First, why is NQT's name still in the vote list? Second, who was checking RangerCado last night and what was their read? Third, why did no one die? Either the kill target was protected or there is no scumkill in this game.
...So not really sure if that was an actual part of my ability or just flavor text, because they admitted to it already in the thread.
Dang it. I'll need to actually inspect someone who hasn't claimed anything to know for sure, now. God dang it. fuggin' flavor texts.
And yeah, no deaths, so that's... good? At least not evil? (please don't anyone start that argument again.)
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 15, 2014, 09:25:39 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on February 15, 2014, 10:39:26 pm
Tiruin! You seem not-evil. May I inspect you? (Not like I really need your permission, but...)
Post by: RangerCado on February 16, 2014, 01:48:52 am
...This sounds like every interaction I ever had with Wuba in PMs, so I do believe your not lying... This game is such a headache.AfterThat was me, while it did say that they were a meteor summoner (and evil), it also said that I already knew that...a long and rambling tale that I skipped readinga great narrative by Vectoria, let's keep playing.
Also, it been four days short of a MONTH to get here.
A few things: First, why is NQT's name still in the vote list? Second, who was checking RangerCado last night and what was their read? Third, why did no one die? Either the kill target was protected or there is no scumkill in this game.
...So not really sure if that was an actual part of my ability or just flavor text, because they admitted to it already in the thread.
Dang it. I'll need to actually inspect someone who hasn't claimed anything to know for sure, now. God dang it. fuggin' flavor texts.
And yeah, no deaths, so that's... good? At least not evil? (please don't anyone start that argument again.)
And the flavor was... interesting, to say the least. I wonder if thats hinting at a succubus and farmer role hidden in the game... Or even an Angel!
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2014, 05:36:48 pm
First of all: Hi everyone I'm not actually dead or MIA in reality.
Second: <3 Wuba, *hugs* also Nerjin writes very very awesome. I wish to write like him...once. I cried at that narrative.
Third: Leafsnail. For stuff mentioned yesterday.
Fourth:
Well, the only "Good" for sure person we had is now afflicted with a severe case of "bullet wound", sooo....Of course you can but you literally, and I mean literally won't learn much. I lack a background, wincon, everything but my name, how I look like (asked the mod-gave the desc) and...yeah.
Tiruin! You seem not-evil. May I inspect you? (Not like I really need your permission, but...)
So what do you think of recent happenings, Mr. Cheese?
Same to you, Cado, TDS and everyone else.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 16, 2014, 06:06:22 pm
...Actually now that you mention it, I think it would be a better idea to inspect you. Since my read was basically just a huge amount of flavortext with little actual information, maybe I could figure out your purpose for you.Well, the only "Good" for sure person we had is now afflicted with a severe case of "bullet wound", sooo....Of course you can but you literally, and I mean literally won't learn much. I lack a background, wincon, everything but my name, how I look like (asked the mod-gave the desc) and...yeah.
Tiruin! You seem not-evil. May I inspect you? (Not like I really need your permission, but...)
So what do you think of recent happenings, Mr. Cheese?
I've re-read the inspect PM like 4 times now, and I'm still failing to gain any knowledge that I didn't have before.
Something weird is going on, there should have been a night kill, but there wasn't.
And didn't you say that you gave me some kind of item of protection? If I had gotten that, I would have had to have given it away to someone else during the night, but I never even got that in the first place. Did you get a new item?
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2014, 06:12:45 pm
I've re-read the inspect PM like 4 times now, and I'm still failing to gain any knowledge that I didn't have before.I'd rather we kept this our little secret.
Something weird is going on, there should have been a night kill, but there wasn't.
And didn't you say that you gave me some kind of item of protection? If I had gotten that, I would have had to have given it away to someone else during the night, but I never even got that in the first place. Did you get a new item?
But...given that it's out, I find it curious that you don't have my item. Item-thiefed, maybe?
And...err, no? *checks PMbox*
...
Yes, but I won't say because..oh lookie, a teddy bear! <3
In truth..yeah I did. :)
Nerjin, you are a master with twisting words.
I h
On that note-certain items with historical references have a nice...spin to it, in context of their description. Silly Nerjin.
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...Actually now that you mention it, I think it would be a better idea to inspect you. Since my read was basically just a huge amount of flavortext with little actual information, maybe I could figure out your purpose for you.That I'm secretly evil?
...Eeeyeah. While I'd like to see some help in that form or whatever-I'd prefer it if you used your 'seeminglyuselessrolething(?)' for a better target. Say, one of the Evil people.
Because I can't, at all, ever, glean anything out of me. At all.
More details on that cop inspect please? Any deviating words?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 16, 2014, 08:49:39 pm
Because I can't, at all, ever, glean anything out of me. At all.
Isn't inspecting something that might clear this up? You might get a hint of your Wincon from him. Also, I doubt that checking any more "Evil" people will get us anywhere, considering that all three of us have claimed, and the check on RangerCado did not tell us anything useful.
About what's gone on: What do people think the "REALLY BAD THING" that NQT talked about was? Also, his roleflip did not tell us anything past what we knew, so I guess we keep scumhunting today.
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2014, 08:55:00 pm
So getting full honesty out of him is 'not anything useful'? >_> Suuure buddy.Because I can't, at all, ever, glean anything out of me. At all.
Isn't inspecting something that might clear this up? You might get a hint of your Wincon from him. Also, I doubt that checking any more "Evil" people will get us anywhere, considering that all three of us have claimed, and the check on RangerCado did not tell us anything useful.
Hence why I propose you search one of the other Evil people to be sure.
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About what's gone on: What do people think the "REALLY BAD THING" that NQT talked about was? Also, his roleflip did not tell us anything past what we knew, so I guess we keep scumhunting today.I speculate I know, however its a betwix-the-lines thing. That, or he's pulling our leg because defensive.
Now can you answer my question TDS? :D
Post by: Leafsnail on February 16, 2014, 09:09:10 pm
Anyway, I'm not sure what to make of NQT's flip. I guess all that bizarre stuff he claimed must have been as a result of his item? Maybe it was a lich phylactery or something. He certainly wasn't telling the truth because nothing bad happened when he was lynched.
To be honest I'm not really sure how to proceed in this game from here. We probably need some kind of massclaim (hinted win conditions + items maybe), we can't really do anything until we know our goal.
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2014, 09:15:26 pm
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He certainly wasn't telling the truth because nothing bad happened when he was lynched.Dohohoho nice twist. He never said- confirmed-that bad things were going to happen, but stated it as an indirect happening.
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To be honest I'm not really sure how to proceed in this game from here. We probably need some kind of massclaim (hinted win conditions + items maybe), we can't really do anything until we know our goal.How's about a true massclaim? People claim their abilities, hmm?
Feigning ignorance doesn't help.
Guess what Not Evil people do~
Post by: Leafsnail on February 16, 2014, 09:24:37 pm
A massclaim is useless if we don't know our actual objective. Thus a mass flavour/item claim would be a better first step.
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2014, 09:25:27 pm
Hint: It's implied.
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2014, 09:28:01 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 16, 2014, 09:36:58 pm
So what do you think of recent happenings, Mr. Cheese?Well, I'm not sure what to make of what happened. NQT is out for at least a while, if not the whole game (the post didn't make it clear which way), and the flavor is still as confusing as ever. I think that a fluff claim and ability claim simultaneously would be a good idea, as stated above.
Same to you, Cado, TDS and everyone else.
Post by: RangerCado on February 16, 2014, 09:57:02 pm
PFPWell, considering a scum team really has no reason to not night kill as it would cause a lot of confusion for the 'town'. So either there is no night kill out there, or the kill(kills if theres evil third parties) was blocked.
First of all: Hi everyone I'm not actually dead or MIA in reality.
Second: <3 Wuba, *hugs* also Nerjin writes very very awesome. I wish to write like him...once. I cried at that narrative.
Third: Leafsnail. For stuff mentioned yesterday.
Fourth:Well, the only "Good" for sure person we had is now afflicted with a severe case of "bullet wound", sooo....Of course you can but you literally, and I mean literally won't learn much. I lack a background, wincon, everything but my name, how I look like (asked the mod-gave the desc) and...yeah.
Tiruin! You seem not-evil. May I inspect you? (Not like I really need your permission, but...)
So what do you think of recent happenings, Mr. Cheese?
Same to you, Cado, TDS and everyone else.
I honestly think we have no clue who could be the actual enemy at this point... I guess i'll have to go digging.
I vote to do the massclaim, even though I've already ability claimed and everything. The only thing I haven't said is what my current item status is, but I'll wait until we start claiming to say that.Nothing new for me from the night. Spending the night with Tiruin didn't do anything as far as I can tell...So what do you think of recent happenings, Mr. Cheese?Well, I'm not sure what to make of what happened. NQT is out for at least a while, if not the whole game (the post didn't make it clear which way), and the flavor is still as confusing as ever. I think that a fluff claim and ability claim simultaneously would be a good idea, as stated above.
Same to you, Cado, TDS and everyone else.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 16, 2014, 10:54:35 pm
@Tiruin: The reason that I would consider inspecting you is because I've inspected someone who said that they were evil and a meteor summoner, and my inspect revealed that they were...evil and a meteor summoner. So, yeah, it confirmed it, but it also gave me no actual information that I wasn't sure of already (and it even hinted at the fact that I already knew in the flavor of it), so now I want to see what would happen if I inspected someone who I have absolutely no suspicion on. Would I just get a message of me watching your character brushing their hair, and clearly not doing anything evil? (That sounds so creeper-ish.) Also, (kinda unrelated) RC said that spending the night with you didn't do anything for them, what about you?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 16, 2014, 10:58:17 pm
Also, the lack of a night kill could mean that the scum targeted a protected person, and Tiruin claimed to have a protection item, so there could be others.
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2014, 12:11:41 am
Nothing new for me from the night. Spending the night with Tiruin didn't do anything as far as I can tell...Well I didn't know you spent the night with me D:<
...
I didn't get any night-related PM on what happened, however I did get...fluff based on me receiving an item. Yeah, 'trivial' in the prospect on 'what to glean in Mafia' though.
I have an additional vote. :3 Muhwahwahwa.
To actually answer Tiruin: I don't think we've learned very much over the last few days. Even MastahCheese's info and NQT's roleflip don't tell us anything, since they seem to be mostly flavor text. As far as I can tell, most people have wincons independent from "Kill all Evil/Kill all Not Evil/Survive". The guy who used to be bread wants to bread again, for example. My role description incuded my hatred for NQT, but now that NQT is out, I haven't had any confirmation of a win or anything, so I have no idea what I have to do.Mmm, very interesting. 'We' didn't learn much from NQT's roleflip. Real interesting.
Also, the lack of a night kill could mean that the scum targeted a protected person, and Tiruin claimed to have a protection item, so there could be others.
Well I learned much from looking at how convincing people worked when they worked against NQT. That's learning.
And its a girl who is bread, y'know. Nummy bread bread.
Let me propose this: The scumteam is also as vague as we are--we have no wincon to work on, though it is implied-and I restate-that Not Evil people usually work for benevolence. Stop the Meteor Summoners. Whatever it is, lynching them seems to be the best implied process (mass voting them).
Evil people? Chaos and whatever, is my best bet. To play it safe, you 'Evil' people decided it best to play ignorant--or be actually honest about being ignorant, probably given that the bastard-y aspect lies in our [plural] lacking wincon.
I'm voting that we do the full flavor claim, as I'm pretty much out of ideas.I believe Nerjin wrote it in a way due to him revealing exactly as it was. You know this already, because it was already said by him, exactly.
@Tiruin: The reason that I would consider inspecting you is because I've inspected someone who said that they were evil and a meteor summoner, and my inspect revealed that they were...evil and a meteor summoner. So, yeah, it confirmed it, but it also gave me no actual information that I wasn't sure of already (and it even hinted at the fact that I already knew in the flavor of it), so now I want to see what would happen if I inspected someone who I have absolutely no suspicion on. Would I just get a message of me watching your character brushing their hair, and clearly not doing anything evil? (That sounds so creeper-ish.) Also, (kinda unrelated) RC said that spending the night with you didn't do anything for them, what about you?
Now, what you know of me? ...I don't even know much of myself-though I sincerely doubt I'm 'evil' in the most general sense (I don't even have my past background other than my wishes and dreams and blah blah fish).
But sure, inspect me. :D
Err, about what Cado said...I really think its a personal thing. Really-he PM'd me (well, he didn't include Webadict in the first place-he included Nerjin, but I added Webbywebweb later...Nerjin never responded though so I'm unsure if he was online to note before Web came in. Web got 'grumpy' and said 'what did I tell you about passing notes' which cut it short).
Anywhoos: Cado, I'd like you to confirm these, and to ask why you...did what you did (PM me.). Stuffs are in Quote-normal format for neutrality or whatever. I'm no expert in explicit coding (though I love formatting) so..yeah. That thing on how posts are noted with their time and all? Anyway.
Spoiler: Bloop! We passed notes. It is all RC's fault. :I (click to show/hide)
It got cut short there with nobody else replying.
RangerCado: I'd love to know-did you REALLY ask Nerjin about this being a possibility?
Post by: Caz on February 17, 2014, 08:53:46 am
Post by: mastahcheese on February 17, 2014, 10:30:09 am
Caz begins to read a mysterious tome aloud.Well, that's not suspicious, at all.
Post by: Silthuri on February 17, 2014, 10:41:44 am
Caz begins to read a mysterious tome aloud.Hmm... this should be interesting.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 17, 2014, 10:43:29 am
I know for a fact that last night you didn't do anything bad. I waited outside your house all night.Wait, do you have a power that does inspections?
Post by: Silthuri on February 17, 2014, 12:17:58 pm
My ability is to watch people overnight and kill them if they try to take any aggressive a actions. Perhaps saying he didn't do "bad" things is a bit to general. He didn't try to kill anyone at least or else I would have killed him.I know for a fact that last night you didn't do anything bad. I waited outside your house all night.Wait, do you have a power that does inspections?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 17, 2014, 05:48:21 pm
Caz begins to read a mysterious tome aloud.
Mind explaining?
Post by: Caz on February 17, 2014, 07:16:03 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 17, 2014, 07:20:16 pm
Stupid book. I get all the useless items. -_-
How is it useless?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 17, 2014, 08:04:11 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 17, 2014, 08:14:49 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 17, 2014, 08:17:52 pm
So, are we doing a massclaim or not?
I think we should, because otherwise we'll be in the same place we were yesterday. Hopefully, at least some people will have wincons that other people can fulfill.
Post by: Silthuri on February 17, 2014, 08:44:35 pm
Post by: Nerjin on February 17, 2014, 08:47:05 pm
Nerjin: if I were to consent to it, could Toaster eat me?
Cannibalism is not allowed. You look like a human to me. So nope.
Post by: Caz on February 17, 2014, 09:11:36 pm
Stupid book. I get all the useless items. -_-
How is it useless?
gives me an ability i have already.
Post by: Nerjin on February 17, 2014, 09:15:09 pm
"I love all of my wives." Vectoria replied absent-mindedly.
"Huh, I didn't know she was married." Leafsnail said in slight interest.
"She's not... She's just too busy with the book and making weird disturbing giggling noises to notice. Just... No one's talking. I figured I'd try to get her to tear her attention away."
"How's that going?"
"It's not..."
"That wasn't very funny for a vote-count..." Mowe said with a great frown in her olives.
"What's a vote-count?" Caz asked.
"Vote-count is a cultural happening. It stands for 'Very Onterio Taters Entei - Cocout Onterio Umbilical Nuns Titter'"
".... Random sayings aren't funny either."
"Nope..."
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz -
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Extend Used) Leafsnail - Tiruin, MyOwnWorstEnemy [2 - Lynch]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
(Extend Used) RangerCado -
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
Not Voting - 4mask, Caz, Happah, HissinhWalnuts, Leafsnail, Makinu, mastahcheese, RangerCado, TheDarkStar, Toaster, [10]
Day 2 has started! Day 2 will end on: Wednesday 19th, 2014 at 5pm
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Post by: Leafsnail on February 17, 2014, 09:23:01 pm
Shall I orient you once more towards the OP in which I guess this game's bastardry occurs in the prospect of nobody knowing their wincons?What?
Hint: It's implied.
And on the note of apocalyptic statements-none of them were declared 100% sure, and while it isn't direct in wording, it is easily inferred by how it is worded and read.NQT clearly implied that lynching him would almost certainly be a horrible idea. If he wasn't sure then he should have said so. The fact that his item was blacked out for a flimsy reason is also suspicious to me.
Maybe items are what give us our win conditions? Like, if a certain person gets a certain item it tells them how to win. NQT could have started with the right item for him, explaining his odd behaviour yesterday.
Wow. We learned NOTHING from that. Just as I suspected. You guys just lynched the one player Good could trust. Leafsnail, I know for a fact that last night you didn't do anything bad. I waited outside your house all night. But I still don't trust you. You were the one who started it all on NQT, and I don't like it. You went after them just because they were confirmed good, and it looks like people just went along with it and didn't find it suspicious at all.Why does being the one to "start it" on NQT look suspicious? I put myself on the line because I thought NQT was scum who had to be eliminated. Heck, I think there's still a pretty good chance that he was.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 17, 2014, 09:48:52 pm
Stupid book. I get all the useless items. -_-
How is it useless?
gives me an ability i have already.
Can I borrow your item then?
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2014, 09:49:52 pm
Wincons. It's already implied in the OP-though it doesn't say for whom. Given that I have no indication of being Evil here, I choose to go along the non-absolutist route and find the meteor summoners. Lynching you, or TDS, would give a better idea on the proclaimed 'Evil' side.Shall I orient you once more towards the OP in which I guess this game's bastardry occurs in the prospect of nobody knowing their wincons?What?
Hint: It's implied.
Can I has book? :3 We can trade items. You get this shiny, concentric, Archimedian bauble. :DStupid book. I get all the useless items. -_-
How is it useless?
gives me an ability i have already.
HE'S EVIL. NOOOOOStupid book. I get all the useless items. -_-
How is it useless?
gives me an ability i have already.
Can I borrow your item then?
Post by: Nerjin on February 17, 2014, 09:54:29 pm
Due to unforeseen circumstances this game will proceed as planned.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
That is all.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 17, 2014, 09:57:24 pm
Attention everyone, I have an important announcement.
Due to unforeseen circumstances this game will proceed as planned.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
That is all.
Well, this is unfortunate. I hope that the problem clears up soon and we can go from playing normally back to playing normally.
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2014, 10:00:20 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 17, 2014, 10:00:35 pm
Evil here, I choose to go along the non-absolutist route and find the meteor summoners. Lynching you, or TDS, would give a better idea on the proclaimed 'Evil' side.
So why aren't you going after RangerCado, the guy who claims meteor summoner?
Can I has book? :3 We can trade items. You get this shiny, concentric, Archimedian bauble. :DStupid book. I get all the useless items. -_-
How is it useless?
gives me an ability i have already.HE'S EVIL. NOOOOOStupid book. I get all the useless items. -_-
How is it useless?
gives me an ability i have already.
Can I borrow your item then?
I'm evil, but I'm not a meteor summoner. Why are people so mean to evil guys like me?
Post by: Nerjin on February 17, 2014, 10:01:44 pm
...wat?
I made a joke to alleviate my boredom and fuck with you guys by adding white-noise [even more than usual] into my posts. TheDarkStar validated it by replying to it...
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2014, 10:02:56 pm
I'm evil, but I'm not a meteor summoner. Why are people so mean to evil guys like me?You're tied in with Leafsnail as far as I see-and..well, given your background, and the notes on you, NQT and the rest-eliminating one of you or Leafsnail will equal something significant regarding this Evil/N.Evil note.
Dude tells the trooths. Wes can saves him for laters. :bEvil here, I choose to go along the non-absolutist route and find the meteor summoners. Lynching you, or TDS, would give a better idea on the proclaimed 'Evil' side.
So why aren't you going after RangerCado, the guy who claims meteor summoner?
You are nyancat. Nyan~...wat?
I made a joke to alleviate my boredom and fuck with you guys by adding white-noise [even more than usual] into my posts. TheDarkStar validated it by replying to it...
You are also explicably EVIL. Also you write really really well and can I ask tips outofMafia here for writing thanks?
Post by: Nerjin on February 17, 2014, 10:06:36 pm
Also you write really really well and can I ask tips outofMafia here for writing thanks?
I always have time to try to help friends.
P.S. Thank you very much.
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2014, 10:15:27 pm
MOWE: Why're you a killer sandwich who stalks people?
Are you like Imhotep that you somehow get their flesh and become a real sandwich(wo)man? Because that's scary.
._.
Like, really.
Do you know any magical rituals or somesuch?
Caz/Toaster/Hapah/makeinu/H.Walnuts: Could I ask your reflection on the past events of today, and the past day (given that webadict is the OP creator-we can't change the title and stoofs). And no, 'I'm confused' is not a valid answer. If that is your answer however, I'd like you to append the answer to the proceeding 'why are you [confused]'
Post by: Nerjin on February 17, 2014, 10:19:10 pm
HRMM.
Sound effect or abbreviation? If the latter, please explain.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 17, 2014, 10:24:23 pm
Tiruin: What is your interest in the book, if you don't even know what it does?gives me an ability i have already.Can I has book? :3 We can trade items. You get this shiny, concentric, Archimedian bauble. :D
And what is this bauble you speak of?
Caz: If the book gives you an ability you already have, what's your ability?
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2014, 10:33:24 pm
It is a bauble of mythological description, mentioned and created in the lands between the Black and the Mediterranean sea, much as how ancient historians speak of.Tiruin: What is your interest in the book, if you don't even know what it does?gives me an ability i have already.Can I has book? :3 We can trade items. You get this shiny, concentric, Archimedian bauble. :D
And what is this bauble you speak of?
It allows me to vote twice! :O
...And I'm interested in the book because book. :v
On a prior note, I wonder why Caz just says it mimics her power..and says it out loud.
Caz: Why speak of an item you have...that mimics your power?
I call bluff! D:<
*slaps you with a paper aeroplane*
Post by: Silthuri on February 17, 2014, 10:36:50 pm
HRMM.I honestly have no clue. I'm just a homicidal sandwich that kills bad people. I still don't think I have any magic abilities. I'm starting to think I'm just here for laughs and was given an ability so I didn't feel useless.
MOWE: Why're you a killer sandwich who stalks people?
Are you like Imhotep that you somehow get their flesh and become a real sandwich(wo)man? Because that's scary.
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Like, really.
Do you know any magical rituals or somesuch?
Pfp
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2014, 10:38:33 pm
But still, you're a vigilante-ish sandwich.
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Ok. That's pretty scary.
Umm..why'd you pick Leafsnail?
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Post by: Silthuri on February 18, 2014, 02:44:17 am
Ahahahaha so do I!
But still, you're a vigilante-ish sandwich.
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Ok. That's pretty scary.
Umm..why'd you pick Leafsnail?
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If it's any consolation, I live in a refrigerator house. I can't be that scary.
I picked him because I was the most suspicions of him.
Post by: Caz on February 18, 2014, 08:34:41 am
can we swap items? let's do that. I thought we were limited to 1 action per day or something. Maybe I can do more things.
Post by: makeinu on February 18, 2014, 11:12:43 am
It is a bauble of mythological description, mentioned and created in the lands between the Black and the Mediterranean sea, much as how ancient historians speak of.Tiruin: What is your interest in the book, if you don't even know what it does?gives me an ability i have already.Can I has book? :3 We can trade items. You get this shiny, concentric, Archimedian bauble. :D
And what is this bauble you speak of?
It allows me to vote twice! :O
It's Midas's crown, which has nothing to do with King Midas, somehow. I passed it to her, because why not?
Post by: Hapah on February 18, 2014, 02:57:50 pm
I will try to read D2 so far and post when able, but time is a precious commodity right now.
Post by: Toaster on February 18, 2014, 04:44:03 pm
Something weird is going on, there should have been a night kill, but there wasn't.
Oh yeah? And how do you know that?
Why aren't we lynching RangerCado? Evil and meteor summoner- since we actually do have flips, lynching him will be very informative.
Post by: Toaster on February 18, 2014, 04:45:40 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 18, 2014, 05:19:08 pm
Why aren't we lynching RangerCado? Evil and meteor summoner- since we actually do have flips, lynching him will be very informative.
This is a good point - we should probably see what he flips upon death rather than Leafsnail. However, Tiruin also seems suspcious for basically ignoring RangerCado while singlemindedly trying to get Leafsnail dead. I kind of want to see what Mastahcheese gets as a read from him, since I don't have a good explanation for his actions right now.
Post by: Nerjin on February 18, 2014, 06:22:58 pm
Request Replacement.
I'll consult the wait-listers.
Post by: Toaster on February 18, 2014, 07:06:18 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 18, 2014, 08:03:18 pm
Aww so cute how you miss everything else I said~ <3Why aren't we lynching RangerCado? Evil and meteor summoner- since we actually do have flips, lynching him will be very informative.
This is a good point - we should probably see what he flips upon death rather than Leafsnail. However, Tiruin also seems suspcious for basically ignoring RangerCado while singlemindedly trying to get Leafsnail dead. I kind of want to see what Mastahcheese gets as a read from him, since I don't have a good explanation for his actions right now.
You're a lovely ignorant student, aren't you. Yeah, let's waste our lynch on Cado, when it just proves he has something going on with him (also, I'm a she if you bloody missed it).
Oh, PS: I'd like to see why the bolded option makes a better use of knowledge than anything else. You easily segue to shift suspicion on me without giving some backing for it for some reason?
And then you say 'singlemindedly' without even noting anything I said yesterday. Hey, buddy, I did detail my thoughts on team Evil if you missed it.
Next, Orange. What is this. 'Not a good explanation for his actions'? Why would you even get to explain my actions? It's like you read what I said before and have little to say about it.
Hint hint: if you did read anything at all about me-you'd have noticed all your answers to all your supposed curiosity you're touting up there.
I totally can get behind a Tiruin inspection.And can you totally get behind a Tiruin question?
Caz/Toaster/Hapah/makeinu/H.Walnuts: Could I ask your reflection on the past events of today, and the past day (given that webadict is the OP creator-we can't change the title and stoofs). And no, 'I'm confused' is not a valid answer. If that is your answer however, I'd like you to append the answer to the proceeding 'why are you [confused]'Or are you just going to keep silent the whole day and let others talk it out, like-oh-yesterday?
Because I see you can totally get behind that.
It's Midas's crown, which has nothing to do with King Midas, somehow. I passed it to her, because why not?I'd prefer a more detailed answer than y not, sir.
Especially what you've got to say as an opinion. Like, my query back there, thanks.
Post by: Toaster on February 18, 2014, 08:14:44 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 18, 2014, 08:51:36 pm
You did not read anything I said earlier and are judging by only my recentmost post, aren't you?
Why yes I've something to hide: This empty space of matter between what I have right here and what I have...right there. I mean really. The only way I got something substantial about myself (physical desc) was to ask Web, and even then I got a Web-styled description.
Which is all mentioned earlier in the thread! If you didn't notice.
Now answer my question.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 18, 2014, 09:02:03 pm
Now, about what you've said:
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Yeah, let's waste our lynch on Cado, when it just proves he has something going on with him
This makes no sense. He has claimed summoner and evil, and not lynching him probably just lets a scum player live a day longer.
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Why would you even get to explain my actions?
Because I'm trying to figure out if you are scum or not. Do you actually want us to ignore everything you do and assume that you do it because you are "town" (or whatever it's called here) even without proof?
Also, Hapah requested replacement.
PPE: It seems odd that there is literally nothing in your role PM. I'd rather wait for Mastahcheese to check you before I believe this.
Post by: Toaster on February 18, 2014, 09:11:25 pm
*facepalms*
You did not read anything I said earlier and are judging by only my recentmost post, aren't you?
Why yes I've something to hide: This empty space of matter between what I have right here and what I have...right there. I mean really. The only way I got something substantial about myself (physical desc) was to ask Web, and even then I got a Web-styled description.
I did read it. It's irrelevant. What is relevant is how you reacted to my post in which I said you should be inspected- not lynched, inspected. If you had reacted that way to a call to lynch you, your reaction would have been totally warranted. But all I did was say I supported an inspection of you, which prompted a very negative response. That's a suspicious reaction. Going after that is Scumhunting 101.
I'll only keep silent today if your definition includes my activity D1, which while not super-active, was far from "silent." I'm still trying to get Ranger lynched.
Why are you not voting Ranger, while we're at it?
Post by: Tiruin on February 18, 2014, 09:19:10 pm
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This makes no sense. He has claimed summoner and evil, and not lynching him probably just lets a scum player live a day longer.*points at killer sandwich with a :/ face*
Not lynching him properly = him being surely honest. Mr. Cheese is my fulcrum in this train of thought.
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Because I'm trying to figure out if you are scum or not. Do you actually want us to ignore everything you do and assume that you do it because you are "town" (or whatever it's called here) even without proof?"literally nothing."
Also, Hapah requested replacement.
PPE: It seems odd that there is literally nothing in your role PM. I'd rather wait for Mastahcheese to check you before I believe this.
Yeah. Seriously. Undermine me more, buddy. I mentioned this before, and restate: When I said 'nothing' I do hope you misread that and actually looked back to counter-crosscheck my point. I say 'nothing' in the context of it being that I do not have anything in my role that is related to anything in school or whatever! All stuffs in my role was related to my ability. Oh hey I'd like being normal but no. I'm a maeg. :v Being a mage, stuff and stuff..then add context to my ability. Which tells me nuthin' except that it matters.
So yeah.
TDS: Why Cado over Leafsnail?
PPE:
Wat.
'Very negative'? I really detect some kind of underhanded pull there, Toaster.
Tiruin:Really? If you did, then you'd have noticed I explained everything you're asking me now regarding the situation. Your explanation of 'omgreactiontell!' does not hold, given that I did explain myself to Mr. Cheese already. You're seemingly relying on a 'on-the-moment-' configuration of logic and analysis to paint me as something...else, maybe? I can't understand you there, but it seems like you're basing what you do here, more on recent notes than anything else in D1.*facepalms*
You did not read anything I said earlier and are judging by only my recentmost post, aren't you?[...]
I did read it. It's irrelevant.[...]
Like, using this 'threat' of Mastahcheese, inspect Tiruin! as leverage against me when I already said I'm ok with it. >_> Pretty...confusing of you.
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I'll only keep silent today if your definition includes my activity D1, which while not super-active, was far from "silent." I'm still trying to get Ranger lynched.Yeah, you never answered my questions in D1 regarding why you'd like him lynched over the rest, though. In detail.
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Why are you not voting Ranger, while we're at it?*points at intent @D1, points at what I'm doing now.*
I have those tabs open. I see my own posts. Why don't you work for once?
And I'm busy and rushing off to school now, too.
Post by: Tiruin on February 18, 2014, 09:20:44 pm
And on this note, you didn't ask questions more compared to how declarative your sentences towards me have been. And by questions, I do not pertain to the circular questions you asked me, D1.QuoteWhy would you even get to explain my actions?
Because I'm trying to figure out if you are scum or not. Do you actually want us to ignore everything you do and assume that you do it because you are "town" (or whatever it's called here) even without proof?
If you're trying to figure it out, why don't you give some feedback like I asked?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 18, 2014, 09:24:51 pm
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Why don't you work for once?On the other hand, Toaster, maybe try to read the emotions and reactions behind peoples posts before making assumptions, hmm?
Just my two cents on the issue.
We now return to our regularly scheduled game.
Post by: Tiruin on February 18, 2014, 09:38:26 pm
Yeah..I am stressed. Being bogged down by uni work that I can't write or can't do my stuffs for TWA..hurts.
But yeah. Collateral damage. But I do mean my point that I mentioned everything back there and what I see now are people missing it-intentionally or not, I'm unsure. It pings my scumdar on them, by due process of missing logic.
I mean, I initially took Toaster's #1 motive in the day to be a reaction-poke, as what I've noticed he is wont to do when I see a drop in activity beforehand but here? It seems sprinkled with malice, so maybe I overreacted. So what?
I'm scum for not advocating a Cado lynch? How's about looking past the TWO obvious notes on him-one being Cheese, the other being his honesty.
That, and I'm still under the impression that Cado claimed because he has something that'd occur if he gets lynched. That, and I have no idea if we spent the last night together because really, I'd help her with her love-thing, but not in a manipulative way :/
[Can nobody understand I'm dong this to check stuffs?] < note pertaining to Cado.
Oh, and I'll be keeping the crown for today--one because second vote, two because I want to test this 'greedy' mechanic(?) as mentioned earlier.
Aaaand I'm late for class :X
Bleh.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 18, 2014, 11:13:58 pm
Mastahcheese:I don't, but I find it more likely to believe that the evil/scum/whatever team would have a kill, and for that kill to be blocked, than the possibility of them flat out not having a kill at all. Even in a bastard game.Something weird is going on, there should have been a night kill, but there wasn't.Oh yeah? And how do you know that?
Do you believe they don't have a kill? And if so, why not?
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2014, 12:45:53 am
Tiruin:Tell me one thing: How is there a 'very negative' response here? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5022287#msg5022287)*facepalms*
You did not read anything I said earlier and are judging by only my recentmost post, aren't you?
Why yes I've something to hide: This empty space of matter between what I have right here and what I have...right there. I mean really. The only way I got something substantial about myself (physical desc) was to ask Web, and even then I got a Web-styled description.
I did read it. It's irrelevant. What is relevant is how you reacted to my post in which I said you should be inspected- not lynched, inspected. If you had reacted that way to a call to lynch you, your reaction would have been totally warranted. But all I did was say I supported an inspection of you, which prompted a very negative response. That's a suspicious reaction. Going after that is Scumhunting 101.
That's biting on straws there.
Hissing Walnuts: Where are you? Nerjin, prod him hard.
Newbie lurking and not giving mostly anything...poked my irritation meter badly. :/
Post by: Silthuri on February 19, 2014, 09:24:02 am
Wow. We learned NOTHING from that. Just as I suspected. You guys just lynched the one player Good could trust. Leafsnail, I know for a fact that last night you didn't do anything bad. I waited outside your house all night. But I still don't trust you. You were the one who started it all on NQT, and I don't like it. You went after them just because they were confirmed good, and it looks like people just went along with it and didn't find it suspicious at all.Why does being the one to "start it" on NQT look suspicious? I put myself on the line because I thought NQT was scum who had to be eliminated. Heck, I think there's still a pretty good chance that he was.
It suspicious because immediately after he was confirmed Not Evil, which appears to be his only ability, you immediately went after him. "He is confirmed Not Evil, therefore he is Evil" is a bit suspicious to me.
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2014, 09:25:43 am
Caz: If the book gives you an ability you already have, what's your ability?
"you can hold two items"
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2014, 09:32:27 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2014, 10:23:15 am
Post by: makeinu on February 19, 2014, 11:09:23 am
It's Midas's crown, which has nothing to do with King Midas, somehow. I passed it to her, because why not?I'd prefer a more detailed answer than y not, sir.
Especially what you've got to say as an opinion. Like, my query back there, thanks.
Want with one hand, catch raindrops with the other, tell me which fills up faster.
I have no idea what's going on, little energy to devote to caring, and even less time to give to figuring it out. My night action failed, too, which means I apparently need to go back to Spell Casting 101.
So, there.
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2014, 11:31:21 am
Why do people do stuff to me without telling why. u__u
bcuz lulz. also you didn't give me crown so you are on the naughty list.
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2014, 11:32:07 am
Want with one hand, catch raindrops with the other, tell me which fills up faster.
I have no idea what's going on, little energy to devote to caring, and even less time to give to figuring it out. My night action failed, too, which means I apparently need to go back to Spell Casting 101.
So, there.
Pretty much. None of us know our wincons so any scumhunting is useless. I'm just gonna sit pretty and wait for the meteor.
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2014, 11:46:09 am
Now all I think are sacks of meat, working only on a wincon.
Can't you see past your own two hands?!
...Especially you. :/ Why...Why do people do stuff to me without telling why. u__u
bcuz lulz.
Post by: Toaster on February 19, 2014, 02:21:06 pm
QuoteThis makes no sense. He has claimed summoner and evil, and not lynching him probably just lets a scum player live a day longer.*points at killer sandwich with a :/ face*
Not lynching him properly = him being surely honest. Mr. Cheese is my fulcrum in this train of thought.
So what, you accept his claim at face value?
'Very negative'? I really detect some kind of underhanded pull there, Toaster.
What does this even mean?
Really? If you did, then you'd have noticed I explained everything you're asking me now regarding the situation. Your explanation of 'omgreactiontell!' does not hold, given that I did explain myself to Mr. Cheese already.
I don't think you understand. I wasn't trying to prod you at all, just supporting his inclination to inspect you. I wasn't intending to start a dialogue with you- but hey, if you want to jump out at me, be my guest.
Yeah, you never answered my questions in D1 regarding why you'd like him lynched over the rest, though. In detail.QuoteWhy are you not voting Ranger, while we're at it?*points at intent @D1, points at what I'm doing now.*
I have those tabs open. I see my own posts. Why don't you work for once?
And I'm busy and rushing off to school now, too.
Did I miss something? *checks back*
You mean this?
Hey, why not lynch me? If it's bad-we don't lose anything (unless my ability works and is passed AFTER day end but before night [dusk]...) and I get to be freely silenced and have really bad tormented flavor describing how I die. If it's good: Yay new class president(?)???
Because I'd rather lynch Ranger for the wealth of information his lynch will give. Unless something from that says otherwise, we can lynch you D3 if you really want.
And per your intent D1, you were voting him until you shifted off him via voting Web. Yeah, you did say you'd rather lynch Leaf, but explain to me why you suspect him over Ranger. Expound, as you'd say.
Tiruin: You seem to be misinterpreting others not understanding as an attack on you personally, if I'm reading your posts correctly. I think that you do need to cool off a little bit.
This. So much this. SO MUCH THIS. Tiruin, I see you do this every single game you play in. Any time anyone starts poking you, you start acting hurt and insulted like someone just slapped your mother. It's a game- we are going after Game Tiruin, not RL Tiruin.
I'm scum for not advocating a Cado lynch? How's about looking past the TWO obvious notes on him-one being Cheese, the other being his honesty.
Okay, yeah, you're not getting my point on you. See above.
Also how does the inspect on him change anything? Sure, he claimed evil summoner. Barring anything else, one or the other of those is likely the scum team assuming there is one. The inspect doesn't change a thing.
I'm really beginning to think all this evil/not evil/good stuff is a giant red herring and we're all misleading ourselves, a process Web set up on purpose. He gave us rope so we could hang ourselves, so to speak. Remember, Web hosted three games called "Don't Outguess the Mod."
OK, Bach.
An excellent composer!
Tell me one thing: How is there a 'very negative' response here? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5022287#msg5022287)
That's biting on straws there.
Because you kept harping on it. It clearly triggered something in you; otherwise, you wouldn't be so sarcastic at me. The triple repetition of "totally get behind" is an excellent example of this.
Why do people do stuff to me without telling why. u__u
You expect people to claim all their night actions to you?
Also, it's worth noting that I was chasing my sandwich eating for most of the end of D1, to which can be proscribed most lack of aggressive hunting. I'm now thinking it's less complicated than we players have made it out to be, so I'm now going for maximum information by lynching Ranger.
Mastahcheese:
Mastahcheese:I don't, but I find it more likely to believe that the evil/scum/whatever team would have a kill, and for that kill to be blocked, than the possibility of them flat out not having a kill at all. Even in a bastard game.Something weird is going on, there should have been a night kill, but there wasn't.Oh yeah? And how do you know that?
Do you believe they don't have a kill? And if so, why not?
The thing is that I agree with your logic. What I don't agree with is it being so worthy of notice. The big point, though, is that you seem so convinced that there SHOULD be a kill. Your words hold no possibility of otherwise.
Let me throw you this, then- where do you place the possibility of there not being a kill-holding team at all?
Caz: If you don't care, can you vote Ranger in case you're wrong about wincons being odd?
Nerjin: Wait, 5 PM what time zone? Are you saying the day's almost over?
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2014, 02:31:59 pm
Caz: If you don't care, can you vote Ranger in case you're wrong about wincons being odd?
If only to get the day over faster. We tried voting a not evil, so we can try the opposite. I really doubt it's as simple as lynching all the ones who have claimed evilness, though. RangerCado.
Post by: makeinu on February 19, 2014, 02:41:10 pm
Want with one hand, catch raindrops with the other, tell me which fills up faster.
I have no idea what's going on, little energy to devote to caring, and even less time to give to figuring it out. My night action failed, too, which means I apparently need to go back to Spell Casting 101.
So, there.
Pretty much. None of us know our wincons so any scumhunting is useless. I'm just gonna sit pretty and wait for the meteor.
Au contraire. I'm pretty certain I know my wincon, and reasonably sure how to achieve it after lat night. Actually doing so is another matter entirely, however.
Toaster, I said several times D1 that I felt alignment was a red herring. I'm willing to lynch RangerCado to see if the meteor summoner thing amounts to anything.
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2014, 03:29:48 pm
Au contraire. I'm pretty certain I know my wincon, and reasonably sure how to achieve it after lat night. Actually doing so is another matter entirely, however.
Tell meeeeee? <333
Post by: Nerjin on February 19, 2014, 03:44:22 pm
Spoiler: Something Completely Different (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2014, 04:02:45 pm
I've more than half a mind to double vote Toaster for
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So what, you accept his claim at face value?And you don't, given this sort of snarkwithoutanybacking? It's practically obvious that I do given what I wrote. PS: It's backed up, unlike what you seem to be going at.
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What does this even mean?> I saw no 'very negative' statement. What you said was a generalizing term in order to shift the principle of the situation. Saying I responded 'very negatively' without showing what exactly I said is a pretty huge point to say, no?
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You mean this?No I don't mean that one you bloody snarker. If I had more damn time to sink into this I'd slap the post in a link right in your face for that.
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Because I'd rather lynch Ranger for the wealth of information his lynch will give. Unless something from that says otherwise, we can lynch you D3 if you really want.Ooo. Much wealthy. What do you postulate will be gained upon his lynched as opposed to the same lynch going to a member of team Evil?
And per your intent D1, you were voting him until you shifted off him via voting Web. Yeah, you did say you'd rather lynch Leaf, but explain to me why you suspect him over Ranger. Expound, as you'd say.
I. Expounded. Every. Frickin'. Time. Do. You. Not. Bother. TO. CHECK?!
No, you don't.
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This. So much this. SO MUCH THIS. Tiruin, I see you do this every single game you play in. Any time anyone starts poking you, you start acting hurt and insulted like someone just slapped your mother. It's a game- we are going after Game Tiruin, not RL Tiruin.Aww, "every" <3
I love how I'm labelled by the way. So much that! So much every game!
I love how you made that metaphor too! It is insulting!
PS: You do notice my differences here, right? You surely can't see how superficial you're being, right? I wonder how nobody else can see that.
Well, only if they can look past their damn noses and stop lazing around on their 'lacking wincon'.
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Okay, yeah, you're not getting my point on you. See above.*looks above*
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Because I'd rather lynch Ranger for the wealth of information his lynch will give.Which is?
This game-you always fail to detail your proposed 'point' for some reason, then allude and generalize what your prods to others may be. Why?
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I'm really beginning to think all this evil/not evil/good stuff is a giant red herring and we're all misleading ourselves, a process Web set up on purpose. He gave us rope so we could hang ourselves, so to speak. Remember, Web hosted three games called "Don't Outguess the Mod."Awww, really? How?
We haven't lynched an Evil-confirmed member yet. How sure are you that this is a stated implication?
And remember: using metaknowledge got NQT KILLED more than not (and its bad, obviously).
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Because you kept harping on it. It clearly triggered something in you; otherwise, you wouldn't be so sarcastic at me. The triple repetition of "totally get behind" is an excellent example of this....
Wow. Really? You exclaim THIS kind of sarcasm to what my first mention was? I sarcasmed at it because it didn't bloody matter
at initial thought, and next: I thought you were missing my point which was SO much mentioned IN DAY ONE.
That you didn't try harder.
The note that you keep on pushing it clearly speaks to me that you don't bloody care at all, and really wish instead to 'make a point' without getting the post in itself and showing where exactly I deviated.
Did you even possibly ask why I did so? No, you hyperbole'd up the situation and preferred to make a point instead of bloody listen to me.
So maybe you can see how 'negative' my reaction towards it is. I don't like people who easily conclude without any backing--doubly so when I sense that it isn't in that person's nature to throw shots like that when they didn't do much beforehand, in that context.
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You expect people to claim all their night actions to you?I implore your lapse in judgement. This is a HUGE leap in judgement, really! >_>
I expect people to explain after they somehow 'claimed' their night actions to me. I'm not anybody's fridge magnet that you could point to and exclaim in any kind of emotion. I'm a philosophical fridge magnet. You tell me why you're pointing at me! :I
On that note: I'm really disgusted by the play now and
...Thanks anyway Caz for trying and giving your most honest statement other than some others who aren't posting at all. (Not Hapah.)
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I'm now thinking it's less complicated than we players have made it out to be, so I'm now going for maximum information by lynching Ranger.Maximum information like what?! Detail to me in a list how lynching Cado is evidently MORE better than doing in Leafsnail or TDS.
Do note: He's the only proven claimed summoner. He's backed up by someone who is, and was from prior evidence, against him. If Mastahcheese can fake such a connection to him, and back him up, or even lie about what he just said, then elucidate this rambling fool on her nonsense so that she may learn humility once more. Because this fool is busy shouting it up, over 9000 without any sort of distinction in your statements.
But you may be right. Just that I can't see much that would dissuade me.
If that damn 'red herring' which acts as a veil y'all are working under means "Mafia = Meteor Summoner", then it sets that thing straight--the thing that is implied ever since. Only that the thing is inferred on and in the start, including the OP, and on page 5, for posterity.
Tell me. If we've nothing to go on-why can't we not assume the most benevolent scenario wherein "town" should work? Or, Non Evil people? The connotations are very distinct.
Funny thing: Out of all those claims, I see tons of fluff! People claim their actions done today--few, if any, give any backing for why they did so. One Meteor Summoner claimed, leaving two others who are hiding in the midst! If it did matter, then there'd be something behind why they aren't claiming, and by suspicion-why Cado did claim.
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Caz: If you don't care, can you vote Ranger in case you're wrong about wincons being odd?
Oh wow. -_-
What is your wincon?Want with one hand, catch raindrops with the other, tell me which fills up faster.
I have no idea what's going on, little energy to devote to caring, and even less time to give to figuring it out. My night action failed, too, which means I apparently need to go back to Spell Casting 101.
So, there.
Pretty much. None of us know our wincons so any scumhunting is useless. I'm just gonna sit pretty and wait for the meteor.
Au contraire. I'm pretty certain I know my wincon, and reasonably sure how to achieve it after lat night. Actually doing so is another matter entirely, however.
I doubt we all have individual wincons.
PPE: Why am I surrounded by such good people.
..Be right back in a few 12 or so hours. I'll just cry here.
Post by: Toaster on February 19, 2014, 04:25:50 pm
We lynch Leafsnail or TDS, we see what happens when a claimed evil person is lynched.
We lynch Ranger, we see what happens when a claimed evil person is lynched AND what happens when a claimed meteor summoner is lynched.
More detail will have to wait.
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2014, 04:30:01 pm
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I don't have time to respond to all that right now, but let me nutshell it. Did you forget that Ranger has claimed evil *as well as* meteor summoner?It's firmly in my mind, actually. :/
The problem is: while Ranger dictates an innocent disposition (and likely, a really sincere one)-I see less to gain from that sort of lynch given what I've read through (all of him) during D1. Yeah, we're lynching a summoner--then what?
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AND what happens when a claimed meteor summoner is lynched....You don't expect they'll..y'know, 'get lynched'? As in, not be able to 'go to class'? Because that's what I expect. Pull what happened to NQT to what'll happen to the lynch today.
Post by: Nerjin on February 19, 2014, 04:31:15 pm
Sorry guys, college takes precedence.
Post by: makeinu on February 19, 2014, 05:14:41 pm
Au contraire. I'm pretty certain I know my wincon, and reasonably sure how to achieve it after lat night. Actually doing so is another matter entirely, however.
Tell meeeeee? <333
Paraphrasing, naturally. I must find my true love before the meteor hits. I have a love spell that can either be interrupted or works only on said true love, who must be female. I used it last night, but was interrupted by "a noise", and the spell failed. Notably, in the interest of full disclosure, I targeted RangerCado last night. I suspect the noise that spoiled my spell was mastahcheese's snooping, so I don't know exactly what that means with regards to my spell.
My role statement strongly implies, as well, that the meteor cannot be stopped. Take that for what it's worth, about 3cents, I'll warrant.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 19, 2014, 05:34:32 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2014, 05:35:40 pm
I can't decide easily whether to vote for Tiruin for acting so defensive when we ask about either her or RangerCado, or RangerCado himself, but I think I'll go with RangerCado. We can decide what to do after we see what he flips.Verdict on this 'defensive' attitude?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 19, 2014, 05:40:01 pm
I can't decide easily whether to vote for Tiruin for acting so defensive when we ask about either her or RangerCado, or RangerCado himself, but I think I'll go with RangerCado. We can decide what to do after we see what he flips.Verdict on this 'defensive' attitude?
That depends on what Ranger flips and what people say for the rest of today and tomorrow.
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2014, 05:40:47 pm
Like how and why base everything on that flip?
Post by: mastahcheese on February 19, 2014, 06:53:20 pm
Why do people do stuff to me without telling why. u__uAt least I asked politely.
...And to think I had faith in you people.I'm still trying, I'm just not yet seeing a good place to start working a case from, but hopefully my power will give me one.
Now all I think are sacks of meat, working only on a wincon.
Can't you see past your own two hands?!
*Raises hand* I did.Why do people do stuff to me without telling why. u__uYou expect people to claim all their night actions to you?
Mastahcheese:I'd say it's possible, though very unlikely. I fail to see how the scum team could win without any means to take out competition. Unless all they have to do is play a waiting game, in which case this would seem to me to be a very boring game, and wouldn't exactly explain the possibly of what our own wincons might be.Mastahcheese:I don't, but I find it more likely to believe that the evil/scum/whatever team would have a kill, and for that kill to be blocked, than the possibility of them flat out not having a kill at all. Even in a bastard game.Something weird is going on, there should have been a night kill, but there wasn't.Oh yeah? And how do you know that?
Do you believe they don't have a kill? And if so, why not?
The thing is that I agree with your logic. What I don't agree with is it being so worthy of notice. The big point, though, is that you seem so convinced that there SHOULD be a kill. Your words hold no possibility of otherwise.
Let me throw you this, then- where do you place the possibility of there not being a kill-holding team at all?
I think that it's more complicated then evil vs. non-evil. Something else is going on, but I don't think that a simple waiting game is one of them.
If that makes sense to you.
Here, let me ask you a question, actually, let me ask Everyone a question. (Not you, Nerjin)
Who do you think is most likely to be capable of a night kill?
Really, tell me your answers, I want to know. Even you guys, Team Claimed Evil: Who would you most likely suspect of being capable of killing? You said you don't have one, unless I'm mistaken, so what's your opinion?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 19, 2014, 06:57:21 pm
Post by: Silthuri on February 19, 2014, 07:25:57 pm
Here, let me ask you a question, actually, let me ask Everyone a question. (Not you, Nerjin)Uhh... I can kill at night, but only if said person was going to kill someone else. I side with you, Mastahcheese, in that there should have been at least a night kill attempt last night or my ability would be totally useless.
Who do you think is most likely to be capable of a night kill?
Why are you all so intent on going after Cado just to see what happens when both Evil and summoners are lynched? You guys are overlooking a lot of stuff because you're just concerned with "Ooh! let's see what happens!" He isn't the only summoner. He isn't the only bad guy out there. I'm not saying he's a bad person to lynch, but why are you all focusing on him just because of his confession? Yes, he's the only one who's confessed, but he's not the only one. I am seeing minimal hunting in this game. For instance, Leafsnail convinced you all to go after NQT yesterday and when NQT's flip told us what we were told in the beginning, you guys just don't care! Can we please stop a second and think things through?
Maybe I'm just being a newb and don't understand how bastard games work, but I feel I should say something.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 19, 2014, 07:43:37 pm
MastahCheese: whoever claimed watching vigilante, as I call the role. That person can kill people.That would be MOWE, but (and they even said it in their very next post) that's a reactive night kill. Which is still a night kill, but it needs a catalyst night kill first.
...Actually MOWE, does it specifically state a kill? Or just a night action? Because if it's just a night action, then you could even kill me with that.
(And yeah, I'm on your side too, we need to really think this through more. RC's not the only one.)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 19, 2014, 08:00:04 pm
Wincons. It's already implied in the OP-though it doesn't say for whom. Given that I have no indication of being Evil here, I choose to go along the non-absolutist route and find the meteor summoners. Lynching you, or TDS, would give a better idea on the proclaimed 'Evil' side.I still don't understand. What is being implied in the OP?
It's Midas's crown, which has nothing to do with King Midas, somehow. I passed it to her, because why not?Presumably it being Midas's makes it gold.
Really, tell me your answers, I want to know. Even you guys, Team Claimed Evil: Who would you most likely suspect of being capable of killing? You said you don't have one, unless I'm mistaken, so what's your opinion?MOWE. Other than that probably no-one, judging from last night.
quote author=MyOwnWorstEnemy link=topic=135628.msg5025010#msg5025010 date=1392855957]For instance, Leafsnail convinced you all to go after NQT yesterday and when NQT's flip told us what we were told in the beginning, you guys just don't care! Can we please stop a second and think things through?
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NQT's flip showed he was lying and didn't confirm that he was on the majority team (even though that's something NQT claimed to explicitly know). It also had an explicitly hidden piece of information.
Post by: Silthuri on February 19, 2014, 08:09:35 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 19, 2014, 08:29:37 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2014, 09:14:53 pm
Tiruin: Why do you think NQT told so many lies about his role and the information he had?To make sense. His 'lies' you puport are his speculations. Yet again do you fail to move the notion of NQT's directness into focus, and rather generalize, Leafsnail.
Dictate his 'lies' in all their entirety, please. I'd love to find how direct NQT addressed it, with all his sincerity, and leaving no space for any unsurity.
But let me humor 'round your conciseness: Why do you think you lied so much, even giving such trivial details to implicate NQT?
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I still don't understand. What is being implied in the OP?Let me ask you this: What do you understand about this game? Restate it if 'said' before. before I begin giving out what I understand.
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Presumably it being Midas's makes it gold....It never said it was gold, and thorough research reveals...not much about it. In truth? Midas means Nice hat.
Yeah, it's Wubbanese.
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NQT's flip showed he was lying and didn't confirm that he was on the majority team (even though that's something NQT claimed to explicitly know). It also had an explicitly hidden piece of information.His flip also shows he was darn town, unless there's a silly mechanic that states "Due to your moneybags, you appear as town upon [death] blah blah".
I doubt it however. Now, excuse me. Rather than go on the offensive with your brevity, why not answer mine, too, good sir?
MOWE: Newbie much? You're wise in what you say right there.
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With regards to Tiruin, I don't really know if lynching Cado would accomplish anything. If Makeinu's right, and we can't stop the meteor, then what's the point? What does that really solve?I'd like to know how he knows that, in exacts, to me sure. makeinu: if I missed that point, please redirect to it.
However it is inferred that Cado, if lynched, will face the same fate NQT did.
Here, let me ask you a question, actually, let me ask Everyone a question. (Not you, Nerjin)Who I...see as scum. >_>
Who do you think is most likely to be capable of a night kill?
Yeah, that includes the majority of team evil--except Toaster, given what I did yesterday and what I know, yesterday. Unless someone else blocked someone-I'd wonder on what they [T. Evil] did.
Everyone but Nerjin: Does anyone else have a useless item they would rather be rid of? I suppose I could arrange that....
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makeinu: Why give that crown to me?
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2014, 09:27:07 pm
Mastahcheese:Caz, read this again. The rest of you, read this again. This is basically what I'm trying to say, and failing badly in saying it.Here, let me ask you a question, actually, let me ask Everyone a question. (Not you, Nerjin)Uhh... I can kill at night, but only if said person was going to kill someone else. I side with you, Mastahcheese, in that there should have been at least a night kill attempt last night or my ability would be totally useless.
Who do you think is most likely to be capable of a night kill?
Why are you all so intent on going after Cado just to see what happens when both Evil and summoners are lynched? You guys are overlooking a lot of stuff because you're just concerned with "Ooh! let's see what happens!" He isn't the only summoner. He isn't the only bad guy out there. I'm not saying he's a bad person to lynch, but why are you all focusing on him just because of his confession? Yes, he's the only one who's confessed, but he's not the only one. I am seeing minimal hunting in this game. For instance, Leafsnail convinced you all to go after NQT yesterday and when NQT's flip told us what we were told in the beginning, you guys just don't care! Can we please stop a second and think things through?
Maybe I'm just being a newb and don't understand how bastard games work, but I feel I should say something.
I mean really, 'bastard' game =/= lay back and watch.
That means you, Hissin Walnuts.
I see a total lack of action, and yet I see cyclic logic in recent events.
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2014, 09:58:06 pm
Here, let me ask you a question, actually, let me ask Everyone a question. (Not you, Nerjin)
Who do you think is most likely to be capable of a night kill?
Could be anyone or no one. There was no kill last night, though I suppose someone could have been protected, saved, whatever.
I'm beginning to think that the items in-game are more important in relation to our wincons. Someone has said that there's a book of dark power that the wizards are looking to get, and they all seem magically-related somehow.
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2014, 09:59:45 pm
Everyone but Nerjin: Does anyone else have a useless item they would rather be rid of? I suppose I could arrange that.
Yeah! I have a book. It supposedly gives powers, but it did nothing useful for me. Will trade for joke item.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 19, 2014, 10:09:12 pm
What powers does it supposedly give? And does it need burning?Everyone but Nerjin: Does anyone else have a useless item they would rather be rid of? I suppose I could arrange that.
Yeah! I have a book. It supposedly gives powers, but it did nothing useful for me. Will trade for joke item.
Post by: Silthuri on February 19, 2014, 10:12:20 pm
For instance, Leafsnail convinced you all to go after NQT yesterday and when NQT's flip told us what we were told in the beginning, you guys just don't care! Can we please stop a second and think things through?NQT's flip showed he was lying and didn't confirm that he was on the majority team (even though that's something NQT claimed to explicitly know). It also had an explicitly hidden piece of information.
Care to share? Perhaps NQT lied about having info for us, but it looks like we'll never find out. Because he was lynched! You can't say it's a lie when there's nothing to actually prove it did or didn't happen. Yeah, it wasn't in the role PM, but Web or Nerjin could have given him information later on. Although I'm curious about what hidden piece of information you speak of. What juicy bit did you discover that none of us have? We were told that if we weren't specifically told that we were Evil, we are Not Evil.
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2014, 10:17:55 pm
Why are you all so intent on going after Cado just to see what happens when both Evil and summoners are lynched? You guys are overlooking a lot of stuff because you're just concerned with "Ooh! let's see what happens!" He isn't the only summoner. He isn't the only bad guy out there. I'm not saying he's a bad person to lynch, but why are you all focusing on him just because of his confession? Yes, he's the only one who's confessed, but he's not the only one. I am seeing minimal hunting in this game. For instance, Leafsnail convinced you all to go after NQT yesterday and when NQT's flip told us what we were told in the beginning, you guys just don't care! Can we please stop a second and think things through?
How do we know that the Evil people aren't town? The 'Good' could be the mafia. Web himself said that "all teenagers are evil". NQT said something bad would happen on his death, but nothing has.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 19, 2014, 10:18:49 pm
Everyone but Nerjin: Does anyone else have a useless item they would rather be rid of? I suppose I could arrange that.
Yeah! I have a book. It supposedly gives powers, but it did nothing useful for me. Will trade for joke item.
If the power isn't anything like "kill a dozen people" or something dangerous like that, can I have it? If we're lucky, it should fulfill at least part of my wincon. In return, I have an item you might find useful.
Nerjin: Votecount, please?
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2014, 10:19:41 pm
What powers does it supposedly give? And does it need burning?Everyone but Nerjin: Does anyone else have a useless item they would rather be rid of? I suppose I could arrange that.
Yeah! I have a book. It supposedly gives powers, but it did nothing useful for me. Will trade for joke item.
It's a book of forbidden spells. Apparently if the bad wizards get ahold of it, we're screwed.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 19, 2014, 10:20:09 pm
Okay then. I'll burn it.What powers does it supposedly give? And does it need burning?Everyone but Nerjin: Does anyone else have a useless item they would rather be rid of? I suppose I could arrange that.
Yeah! I have a book. It supposedly gives powers, but it did nothing useful for me. Will trade for joke item.
It's a book of forbidden spells. Apparently if the bad wizards get ahold of it, we're screwed.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 19, 2014, 10:28:36 pm
What powers does it supposedly give? And does it need burning?Everyone but Nerjin: Does anyone else have a useless item they would rather be rid of? I suppose I could arrange that.
Yeah! I have a book. It supposedly gives powers, but it did nothing useful for me. Will trade for joke item.
It's a book of forbidden spells. Apparently if the bad wizards get ahold of it, we're screwed.
What kind of bad things? The world is about to end, so I'm not sure what could we worse than that. Also, I doubt that it would prevent the rest of you from winning - but it might help me get my wincon fulfilled (although I'm not sure about that, considering that there's nothing about it in my role PM).
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 19, 2014, 10:38:43 pm
4maskwolf is a mage (wizard).
His role says he is a teenager as far as I can remember.
All teenagers are evil.
What happens if he gets the book? Does it fulfill a wincon for him?
Post by: mastahcheese on February 19, 2014, 10:46:20 pm
Everyone but Nerjin: Does anyone else have a useless item they would rather be rid of? I suppose I could arrange that.I received an item for the day, but I would rather hold onto it. For reasons. I also think I may know who gave it to me, but I am unsure.
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2014, 01:39:32 am
He didn't say something bad will happen-he used foresight to see what would happen based on something something flavor in role stuff. As far as I know.
Why are you all so intent on going after Cado just to see what happens when both Evil and summoners are lynched? You guys are overlooking a lot of stuff because you're just concerned with "Ooh! let's see what happens!" He isn't the only summoner. He isn't the only bad guy out there. I'm not saying he's a bad person to lynch, but why are you all focusing on him just because of his confession? Yes, he's the only one who's confessed, but he's not the only one. I am seeing minimal hunting in this game. For instance, Leafsnail convinced you all to go after NQT yesterday and when NQT's flip told us what we were told in the beginning, you guys just don't care! Can we please stop a second and think things through?
How do we know that the Evil people aren't town? The 'Good' could be the mafia. Web himself said that "all teenagers are evil". NQT said something bad would happen on his death, but nothing has.
Next: Test this 'evil people are town' by lynching either Leafsnail or TDS! Hey, look at me being apparent! It worked for them!
Such audacity. Why I never.Everyone but Nerjin: Does anyone else have a useless item they would rather be rid of? I suppose I could arrange that.
Yeah! I have a book. It supposedly gives powers, but it did nothing useful for me. Will trade for joke item.
If the power isn't anything like "kill a dozen people" or something dangerous like that, can I have it? If we're lucky, it should fulfill at least part of my wincon. In return, I have an item you might find useful.
Nerjin: Votecount, please?
I just realized something.The level of obfuscation is very high in this one.
4maskwolf is a mage (wizard).
His role says he is a teenager as far as I can remember.
All teenagers are evil.
What happens if he gets the book? Does it fulfill a wincon for him?
Hey, dude. They announced it as a joke. Just because you are stated Evil doesn't mean you can easily apply that generality as a factual mechanic.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 20, 2014, 07:43:37 am
He didn't say something bad will happen-he used foresight to see what would happen based on something something flavor in role stuff. As far as I know.
Why are you all so intent on going after Cado just to see what happens when both Evil and summoners are lynched? You guys are overlooking a lot of stuff because you're just concerned with "Ooh! let's see what happens!" He isn't the only summoner. He isn't the only bad guy out there. I'm not saying he's a bad person to lynch, but why are you all focusing on him just because of his confession? Yes, he's the only one who's confessed, but he's not the only one. I am seeing minimal hunting in this game. For instance, Leafsnail convinced you all to go after NQT yesterday and when NQT's flip told us what we were told in the beginning, you guys just don't care! Can we please stop a second and think things through?
How do we know that the Evil people aren't town? The 'Good' could be the mafia. Web himself said that "all teenagers are evil". NQT said something bad would happen on his death, but nothing has.
Next: Test this 'evil people are town' by lynching either Leafsnail or TDS! Hey, look at me being apparent! It worked for them!
Or, of course, lynch the other Evil guy (RangerCado). Why are you so opposed to lynching him?
Post by: Caz on February 20, 2014, 09:02:27 am
Next: Test this 'evil people are town' by lynching either Leafsnail or TDS! Hey, look at me being apparent! It worked for them!
Isn't this what we're doing by lynching RangerCado?
Post by: Toaster on February 20, 2014, 10:40:42 am
QuoteSo what, you accept his claim at face value?And you don't, given this sort of snarkwithoutanybacking? It's practically obvious that I do given what I wrote. PS: It's backed up, unlike what you seem to be going at.
What I meant is just because he's claimed all that doesn't mean he's not hostile to the rest of us. You're too willing to buy that.
QuoteWhat does this even mean?> I saw no 'very negative' statement. What you said was a generalizing term in order to shift the principle of the situation. Saying I responded 'very negatively' without showing what exactly I said is a pretty huge point to say, no?
I did point it out, in the post you're quoting here.
QuoteYou mean this?No I don't mean that one you bloody snarker. If I had more damn time to sink into this I'd slap the post in a link right in your face for that.
You better, because I don't see any other questions from you.
QuoteThis. So much this. SO MUCH THIS. Tiruin, I see you do this every single game you play in. Any time anyone starts poking you, you start acting hurt and insulted like someone just slapped your mother. It's a game- we are going after Game Tiruin, not RL Tiruin.Aww, "every" <3
I love how I'm labelled by the way. So much that! So much every game!
I love how you made that metaphor too! It is insulting!
PS: You do notice my differences here, right? You surely can't see how superficial you're being, right? I wonder how nobody else can see that.
Well, only if they can look past their damn noses and stop lazing around on their 'lacking wincon'.
I'm being dead serious when I say this. I'm not trying to insult you; it's true that you're taking this (including the statement of pointing it out) too seriously. It's a game; chill out.
QuoteOkay, yeah, you're not getting my point on you. See above.*looks above*QuoteBecause I'd rather lynch Ranger for the wealth of information his lynch will give.Which is?
This game-you always fail to detail your proposed 'point' for some reason, then allude and generalize what your prods to others may be. Why?
Because it's bloody obvious, that's why. TDS and Leaf claimed evil. Ranger claimed evil AND summoner. Test both at once!
Oh wait, I did say it:
Why aren't we lynching RangerCado? Evil and meteor summoner- since we actually do have flips, lynching him will be very informative.
And earlier, directly to you:
Tiruin:It is, actually.
3 people claimed Evil. This denotes that 'hey, why would they claim if its all in truth? Pretty strange.'
What a Cado lynch says would bias against those who had the 'Evil' point in their PMs. "Evil; thus Meteor Summoner"
What either a TDS/LS lynch would confirm is 'Evil is a subjective point and some of the Non Evils lied' if they aren't summoners, and if they are...Well.
We don't know what, if anything, flips on death. Lynching Ranger has the advantage of testing multiple things. If he flips Evil, great, that must be what we're after. If he flips Meteor Summoner, ditto. If he doesn't flip at all, I ask for a replacement. (Not really, but I usually don't like no-flip games.)
Basically, what TDS said.
And here:
Everyone (except Nerjin/Web): So, notes on why Cado is better than LS/TDS again, please?
Cado is evil AND a meteor summoner. Testing two things at once!
So don't tell me I haven't said why when I've done it multiple times.
QuoteI'm really beginning to think all this evil/not evil/good stuff is a giant red herring and we're all misleading ourselves, a process Web set up on purpose. He gave us rope so we could hang ourselves, so to speak. Remember, Web hosted three games called "Don't Outguess the Mod."Awww, really? How?
We haven't lynched an Evil-confirmed member yet. How sure are you that this is a stated implication?
And remember: using metaknowledge got NQT KILLED more than not (and its bad, obviously).
Hence why I want Ranger lynched.
That's really my point with that- we tried to outguess the mod which resulted in an NQT lynch, which certainly appears to have been a mistake.
QuoteBecause you kept harping on it. It clearly triggered something in you; otherwise, you wouldn't be so sarcastic at me. The triple repetition of "totally get behind" is an excellent example of this....
Wow. Really? You exclaim THIS kind of sarcasm to what my first mention was? I sarcasmed at it because it didn't bloody matter
at initial thought, and next: I thought you were missing my point which was SO much mentioned IN DAY ONE.
That you didn't try harder.
The note that you keep on pushing it clearly speaks to me that you don't bloody care at all, and really wish instead to 'make a point' without getting the post in itself and showing where exactly I deviated.
Did you even possibly ask why I did so? No, you hyperbole'd up the situation and preferred to make a point instead of bloody listen to me.
So maybe you can see how 'negative' my reaction towards it is. I don't like people who easily conclude without any backing--doubly so when I sense that it isn't in that person's nature to throw shots like that when they didn't do much beforehand, in that context.
This format-filled post just digs your hole further.
QuoteI'm now thinking it's less complicated than we players have made it out to be, so I'm now going for maximum information by lynching Ranger.Maximum information like what?! Detail to me in a list how lynching Cado is evidently MORE better than doing in Leafsnail or TDS.
Detail? Detail what? All three claimed evil. Ranger has claimed summoner, while the other two have not. There is literally no other detail. That's it, all done, no more.
Yeah, we're lynching a summoner--then what?QuoteAND what happens when a claimed meteor summoner is lynched....You don't expect they'll..y'know, 'get lynched'? As in, not be able to 'go to class'? Because that's what I expect. Pull what happened to NQT to what'll happen to the lynch today.
Then we go off his flip.
And they're out of the game- lynched, expelled, kicked out of class; it's all fluff for the same effect.
Since you're so big on honesty, tell me how RangerCado figures into your wincon.
Mastahcheese: Fair answer, but you misunderstood me: I meant the possibility of there not being a team at all, instead of there being a team without a kill.
MOWE:
Can we please stop a second and think things through?
So what's your suggestion? All attempts at eating you failed, so I'm out of ideas in that regard.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 20, 2014, 01:57:10 pm
This format-filled post just digs your hole further.Explain this. I really dislike the way this is put. It's the sort of thing that I'd expect scum to say, not from town to another town, since the three evil have claimed. Unless there are more then three evil people. Explain it, because you just gained a lot of mistrust from me now. If we didn't have 3 people already claim evil, I'd be all over your ass for this, so you'd better damn well explain yourself.
Mastahcheese: Fair answer, but you misunderstood me: I meant the possibility of there not being a team at all, instead of there being a team without a kill.The odds of there being no team? Just 3, completely unassociated evil players? I suppose that a possibility. It seemed to me that our three evils were all fairly clueless of each other before they started claiming. So maybe that's a possibility.
How about you answer this question, then: What do you think are the odds that there are more then three evil people, associated or not, Toaster?
Post by: Toaster on February 20, 2014, 02:31:03 pm
This format-filled post just digs your hole further.Explain this. I really dislike the way this is put. It's the sort of thing that I'd expect scum to say, not from town to another town, since the three evil have claimed. Unless there are more then three evil people. Explain it, because you just gained a lot of mistrust from me now. If we didn't have 3 people already claim evil, I'd be all over your ass for this, so you'd better damn well explain yourself.
As in she's continuing to attract my attention by her overreaction to an offhand comment. The prospect of being inspected clearly has set her off into a very reactive mood. My guess is she's another meteor summoner who is trying to get attention off her buddy Ranger.
If she had just ignored or blown off my comment, I'd be long past it. Instead, she continues to make a huge deal out of it.
Having said that, what makes you so sure that you want to go after evil people instead of meteor summoners? Do you think there is a correlation between the two, or that evil is the real threat, or what?
Mastahcheese: Fair answer, but you misunderstood me: I meant the possibility of there not being a team at all, instead of there being a team without a kill.The odds of there being no team? Just 3, completely unassociated evil players? I suppose that a possibility. It seemed to me that our three evils were all fairly clueless of each other before they started claiming. So maybe that's a possibility.
How about you answer this question, then: What do you think are the odds that there are more then three evil people, associated or not, Toaster?
My question really falls flat since you are extremely convinced that the evil people are the threat and nothing else matters. I meant something more like X number of independent entities who are hostile to the rest of the players, with no guaranteed correlation to alignment.
Could there be more evil people? I don't see why not. That said, I figure if there is a standard scum team at play here, three is by far the most likely number of members it has.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 20, 2014, 03:09:23 pm
Having said that, what makes you so sure that you want to go after evil people instead of meteor summoners? Do you think there is a correlation between the two, or that evil is the real threat, or what?It seems you haven't been paying attention to what I've said regarding myself. I've stated before that my role strongly suggests that I have a wincon of "defeat evil", therefore, as far as my character seems to be concerned, evil is the only issue. Maybe there are others, but I don't really care as far as what my implied wincon would suggest.
-snip-
My question really falls flat since you are extremely convinced that the evil people are the threat and nothing else matters. I meant something more like X number of independent entities who are hostile to the rest of the players, with no guaranteed correlation to alignment.
Could there be more evil people? I don't see why not. That said, I figure if there is a standard scum team at play here, three is by far the most likely number of members it has.
And no, I don't think that there is any correlation between evil and meteor summoners, that's why we have one person who's claimed evil and meteor summoner, and two people to claim only evil. My guess is that there are either,
1. Another evil team, possibly 2 evil teams that are keeping quiet, heck, maybe even the 3 evil people aren't even in their own team! They could all be members of other, separated evils for all we know! Has anyone thought of that?
2. The meteor summoners have nothing to do with evil, and it just ended up that one of the summoners also rolled evil.
What are your thoughts toward those two possibilities?
Post by: Nerjin on February 20, 2014, 05:03:26 pm
Post by: Toaster on February 20, 2014, 08:48:53 pm
In regards to your possibilities, I strongly suspect #2 is the case. It's certainly possible there are some unclaimed evils, but there's not much to do about that at this point.
Post by: Silthuri on February 21, 2014, 04:00:39 pm
MOWE:Can we please stop a second and think things through?
So what's your suggestion? All attempts at eating you failed, so I'm out of ideas in that regard.
I suggest actively trying to find the rest of the scum instead of just going along with it like it's the only choice. I ask that everyone take into consideration everything that's happening, like an Evil person convincing everyone to lynch the confirmed Not Evil person just because he was confirmed Not Evil. I'm not against a Cado lynch, but I'd like people to actually think about things before they do them.
All y'all voting Cado:
Do you have reasons to vote Cado other than the fact that he's the only claimed Evil meteor summoner? If so, please enlighten me.
Mastahcheese:
Having said that, what makes you so sure that you want to go after evil people instead of meteor summoners? Do you think there is a correlation between the two, or that evil is the real threat, or what?It seems you haven't been paying attention to what I've said regarding myself. I've stated before that my role strongly suggests that I have a wincon of "defeat evil", therefore, as far as my character seems to be concerned, evil is the only issue. Maybe there are others, but I don't really care as far as what my implied wincon would suggest.
-snip-
My question really falls flat since you are extremely convinced that the evil people are the threat and nothing else matters. I meant something more like X number of independent entities who are hostile to the rest of the players, with no guaranteed correlation to alignment.
Could there be more evil people? I don't see why not. That said, I figure if there is a standard scum team at play here, three is by far the most likely number of members it has.
And no, I don't think that there is any correlation between evil and meteor summoners, that's why we have one person who's claimed evil and meteor summoner, and two people to claim only evil. My guess is that there are either,
1. Another evil team, possibly 2 evil teams that are keeping quiet, heck, maybe even the 3 evil people aren't even in their own team! They could all be members of other, separated evils for all we know! Has anyone thought of that?
2. The meteor summoners have nothing to do with evil, and it just ended up that one of the summoners also rolled evil.
Precisely! Just like I'm sure that there has to be some kind of night kill ability that either the Evil or some other person has because my ability is directly related to aggressive attacks. Unless there's some other kind of aggressive actions, someone out there has to have the ability to kill (probably the Evil people). I think we'll find out tonight at the very least.
These theories make sense. Although I'm having trouble visualizing 1. So technically, they're all like third parties? I don't know. I just have a hard time imagining it. The summoners got together to summon the meteor. Odds are there's some kind of collaboration, or at the very least they know who each other are. This is the one thing I think Cado is lying about.
Post by: Caz on February 21, 2014, 09:16:07 pm
Do you have reasons to vote Cado other than the fact that he's the only claimed Evil meteor summoner? If so, please enlighten me.
Nope.
Post by: Toaster on February 21, 2014, 11:19:29 pm
Toaster:MOWE:Can we please stop a second and think things through?
So what's your suggestion? All attempts at eating you failed, so I'm out of ideas in that regard.
I suggest actively trying to find the rest of the scum instead of just going along with it like it's the only choice. I ask that everyone take into consideration everything that's happening, like an Evil person convincing everyone to lynch the confirmed Not Evil person just because he was confirmed Not Evil. I'm not against a Cado lynch, but I'd like people to actually think about things before they do them.
All y'all voting Cado:
Do you have reasons to vote Cado other than the fact that he's the only claimed Evil meteor summoner? If so, please enlighten me.
I certainly can't argue that point, but I'll be honest here: D1 was a confusing clusterfuck. I've got a rock in the storm to cling on here with the Cado lynch, and I think it's the best option at this point.
That said, the extreme degree to which Tiruin is going to defend him is very noteworthy.
Post by: Leafsnail on February 22, 2014, 12:33:52 am
Care to share? Perhaps NQT lied about having info for us, but it looks like we'll never find out. Because he was lynched! You can't say it's a lie when there's nothing to actually prove it did or didn't happen. Yeah, it wasn't in the role PM, but Web or Nerjin could have given him information later on. Although I'm curious about what hidden piece of information you speak of. What juicy bit did you discover that none of us have? We were told that if we weren't specifically told that we were Evil, we are Not Evil.NQT claimed that his information was in his role PM (also "the moderators randomly decide to give a player info during day one" is not a thing that ever happens). So yes, because his role PM (which we saw) does not contain the information that he claimed was in it, we know that NQT lied.
By "hidden information" I mean his item. That was censored for no apparent reason. That, to me, suggests that there is something sinister about the item - if it were innocent it could just flip with him like the rest of his role. It may have been the thing that told him his actual win condition, and thus gave him the impetus to spout bullshit.
Post by: Nerjin on February 22, 2014, 03:17:11 pm
Surprised the students asked in unison "What's wrong?"
"I've left the oven at my house on for the last sixty days! I gotta go turn it off! I'll dismiss class when I get back!" With that she ran out of the room with all the speed of a rampaging kangaroo.
"... So uh... I guess we just keep going?" One student asked.
Day Mod Extended [for the last time] until Monday 24, 2014 5PM
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz -
Hapah -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Extend Used) Leafsnail - MyOwnWorstEnemy, Tiriun, [2]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
(Extend Used) RangerCado - Caz, Makeinu, TheDarkStar, Toaster, [4 - Lynch Leader]
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin - Leafsnail, [1]
Toaster -
Not Voting - 4maskwolf, Hapah, mastahcheese, RangerCado,
Day 2 will end on February 24, 2014 at 5PM
Post by: Silthuri on February 22, 2014, 09:17:36 pm
By "hidden information" I mean his item. That was censored for no apparent reason. That, to me, suggests that there is something sinister about the item - if it were innocent it could just flip with him like the rest of his role. It may have been the thing that told him his actual win condition, and thus gave him the impetus to spout bullshit.
I actually have a sneaking suspicion that the identity of the item the person is holding is never revealed upon death. I think we'll find this out tonight.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 22, 2014, 09:53:25 pm
Apparently, my ability went away with my item. I am no longer able to kill at night.
By "hidden information" I mean his item. That was censored for no apparent reason. That, to me, suggests that there is something sinister about the item - if it were innocent it could just flip with him like the rest of his role. It may have been the thing that told him his actual win condition, and thus gave him the impetus to spout bullshit.
I actually have a sneaking suspicion that the identity of the item the person is holding is never revealed upon death. I think we'll find this out tonight.
Yeah, I don't think that it's likely that only one item gets censored.
Also, are things going to change between today and Monday? The discussion has slowed down a lot today, partly because we've figured some things out, but also because yesterday was about 60 pages long and there just isn't much to say until something happens.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 22, 2014, 11:50:25 pm
Apparently, my ability went away with my item. I am no longer able to kill at night.Wait, so it was an item ability that lets you kill people?
That's totally different than what I thought you were saying.
Post by: Silthuri on February 23, 2014, 12:09:29 am
Apparently, my ability went away with my item. I am no longer able to kill at night.Wait, so it was an item ability that lets you kill people?
That's totally different than what I thought you were saying.
It's totally different than what I thought. Since everyone has been talking about their abilities versus those of their items, I thought it best to ask Nerjin. I didn't think it was my item that gave me the ability to be entirely honest.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 23, 2014, 12:25:09 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 23, 2014, 01:23:48 pm
Do you really want me to list NQT's lies, Tiruin? Why not just read his role PM and compare it to all those apocalyptic statements he made about what would happen when he died, or what would happen if he revealed his secret, or how he was totally sure he was part of the majority? And then note that his role PM bears absolutely zero relation to all the bizarre bullshit he claimed during day one, and that no bad results have ensued following his death.Really, Leafsnail? You are one of the former Kings of Mafia, yet you immediately assume after the first day that because an item didn't flip it was an evil item? You have been relentless in attacking NQT, even after his removal from the game. The way it was phrased I think it likely that no items will be revealed on flip. Just because something COULD be misleading does not mean that it IS misleading.Care to share? Perhaps NQT lied about having info for us, but it looks like we'll never find out. Because he was lynched! You can't say it's a lie when there's nothing to actually prove it did or didn't happen. Yeah, it wasn't in the role PM, but Web or Nerjin could have given him information later on. Although I'm curious about what hidden piece of information you speak of. What juicy bit did you discover that none of us have? We were told that if we weren't specifically told that we were Evil, we are Not Evil.NQT claimed that his information was in his role PM (also "the moderators randomly decide to give a player info during day one" is not a thing that ever happens). So yes, because his role PM (which we saw) does not contain the information that he claimed was in it, we know that NQT lied.
By "hidden information" I mean his item. That was censored for no apparent reason. That, to me, suggests that there is something sinister about the item - if it were innocent it could just flip with him like the rest of his role. It may have been the thing that told him his actual win condition, and thus gave him the impetus to spout bullshit.
It is indeed possible that his item had something to do with the information he claimed to have, or maybe he thought he had figured out the game when nobody else had. Regardless, your claim that lynching NQT was a good idea has no basis in any of the facts revealed on his death. Did you think that was your wincon?
Post by: Tiruin on February 23, 2014, 09:10:29 pm
Do you really want me to list NQT's lies, Tiruin? Why not just read his role PM and compare it to all those apocalyptic statements he made about what would happen when he died, or what would happen if he revealed his secret, or how he was totally sure he was part of the majority? And then note that his role PM bears absolutely zero relation to all the bizarre bullshit he claimed during day one, and that no bad results have ensued following his death.YES, LEAFSNAIL. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO UTTERLY IMPLICATE HOW LYING IS THE NQT BY QUOTING, LINKING AND POSTING IT DOWN.Care to share? Perhaps NQT lied about having info for us, but it looks like we'll never find out. Because he was lynched! You can't say it's a lie when there's nothing to actually prove it did or didn't happen. Yeah, it wasn't in the role PM, but Web or Nerjin could have given him information later on. Although I'm curious about what hidden piece of information you speak of. What juicy bit did you discover that none of us have? We were told that if we weren't specifically told that we were Evil, we are Not Evil.NQT claimed that his information was in his role PM (also "the moderators randomly decide to give a player info during day one" is not a thing that ever happens). So yes, because his role PM (which we saw) does not contain the information that he claimed was in it, we know that NQT lied.
By "hidden information" I mean his item. That was censored for no apparent reason. That, to me, suggests that there is something sinister about the item - if it were innocent it could just flip with him like the rest of his role. It may have been the thing that told him his actual win condition, and thus gave him the impetus to spout bullshit.
Because you never did so. You were nebulous, spurious and infactual--generally putting statements without a focused point, and offhandedly commenting the whole blasted day.
I would like FACTUAL proof from you. BACKED UP by statements of your own concern. STRIKE THROUGH those which do not apply.
Because I'd love to see you right. But you aren't working for it.
MOWE:How shallow this poke is. So what if I 'defend' him? You gonna help me dig mah hole?Toaster:MOWE:Can we please stop a second and think things through?
So what's your suggestion? All attempts at eating you failed, so I'm out of ideas in that regard.
I suggest actively trying to find the rest of the scum instead of just going along with it like it's the only choice. I ask that everyone take into consideration everything that's happening, like an Evil person convincing everyone to lynch the confirmed Not Evil person just because he was confirmed Not Evil. I'm not against a Cado lynch, but I'd like people to actually think about things before they do them.
All y'all voting Cado:
Do you have reasons to vote Cado other than the fact that he's the only claimed Evil meteor summoner? If so, please enlighten me.
I certainly can't argue that point, but I'll be honest here: D1 was a confusing clusterfuck. I've got a rock in the storm to cling on here with the Cado lynch, and I think it's the best option at this point.
That said, the extreme degree to which Tiruin is going to defend him is very noteworthy.
Mastahcheese:...This format-filled post just digs your hole further.Explain this. I really dislike the way this is put. It's the sort of thing that I'd expect scum to say, not from town to another town, since the three evil have claimed. Unless there are more then three evil people. Explain it, because you just gained a lot of mistrust from me now. If we didn't have 3 people already claim evil, I'd be all over your ass for this, so you'd better damn well explain yourself.
As in she's continuing to attract my attention by her overreaction to an offhand comment. The prospect of being inspected clearly has set her off into a very reactive mood. My guess is she's another meteor summoner who is trying to get attention off her buddy Ranger.
If she had just ignored or blown off my comment, I'd be long past it. Instead, she continues to make a huge deal out of it.
Having said that, what makes you so sure that you want to go after evil people instead of meteor summoners? Do you think there is a correlation between the two, or that evil is the real threat, or what?
:I
Grabs shovel.
Implants.
Digs harder.
"Tell me when y'all will start looking past the superficial, because I'm diggin m'self away from this meteor! WATCH ME."
I am...disappointed. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5013302;topicseen#msg5013302) Meta on Toaster? He does the usual 'reaction post' when he has nothing to go on. He flails, then passive aggressively pokes. I had given you time, Toast-buddy. Time to look back and reflect. Reflect on your thoughts and deeds. You-you ALL-had a whole damn weekend while I did not, yet I see nothing gained from you Toaster.
Ooo yes, watch Tiruin dig this hole because of her 'aggressive' reply!
Why don't you read back and work for it, restating. Did you see that?
Nay.
Did you exactify what 'aggression' I gave when Mr. CheddarCheese gave his gesture to me?
Nup!
*turns on electric fan*
"Ahh it is windy down here in this nice hole. Pretty defensive down here. Mhmm!"
I mean come on!
PS: I did not know the double vote needs to both be in one post. Leafsnail; Leafsnail
Guess what peeps? We lynch an 'Evil' person who is NOT a meteor summoner and it gets us this: If he ain't a MS, then some of the non-evils are the MS. Given how TDS' connections in his posts (can't find the word that says I'M RELATED TO YOU) with Leafsnail--in lieu of 'evil'--are connected, Why do you not pursue the nebulous lead? We can trust Cado, yet I am under the paranoia that he has something up his bloody sleeve.
Leafsnail
Do you really want me to list NQT's lies, Tiruin? Why not just read his role PM and compare it to all those apocalyptic statements he made about what would happen when he died, or what would happen if he revealed his secret, or how he was totally sure he was part of the majority? And then note that his role PM bears absolutely zero relation to all the bizarre bullshit he claimed during day one, and that no bad results have ensued following his death.Really, Leafsnail? You are one of the former Kings of Mafia, yet you immediately assume after the first day that because an item didn't flip it was an evil item? You have been relentless in attacking NQT, even after his removal from the game. The way it was phrased I think it likely that no items will be revealed on flip. Just because something COULD be misleading does not mean that it IS misleading.Care to share? Perhaps NQT lied about having info for us, but it looks like we'll never find out. Because he was lynched! You can't say it's a lie when there's nothing to actually prove it did or didn't happen. Yeah, it wasn't in the role PM, but Web or Nerjin could have given him information later on. Although I'm curious about what hidden piece of information you speak of. What juicy bit did you discover that none of us have? We were told that if we weren't specifically told that we were Evil, we are Not Evil.NQT claimed that his information was in his role PM (also "the moderators randomly decide to give a player info during day one" is not a thing that ever happens). So yes, because his role PM (which we saw) does not contain the information that he claimed was in it, we know that NQT lied.
By "hidden information" I mean his item. That was censored for no apparent reason. That, to me, suggests that there is something sinister about the item - if it were innocent it could just flip with him like the rest of his role. It may have been the thing that told him his actual win condition, and thus gave him the impetus to spout bullshit.
It is indeed possible that his item had something to do with the information he claimed to have, or maybe he thought he had figured out the game when nobody else had. Regardless, your claim that lynching NQT was a good idea has no basis in any of the facts revealed on his death. Did you think that was your wincon?
This is RUBBISH.Do you really want me to list NQT's lies, Tiruin? Why not just read his role PM and compare it to all those apocalyptic statements he made about what would happen when he died, or what would happen if he revealed his secret, or how he was totally sure he was part of the majority? And then note that his role PM bears absolutely zero relation to all the bizarre bullshit he claimed during day one, and that no bad results have ensued following his death.Care to share? Perhaps NQT lied about having info for us, but it looks like we'll never find out. Because he was lynched! You can't say it's a lie when there's nothing to actually prove it did or didn't happen. Yeah, it wasn't in the role PM, but Web or Nerjin could have given him information later on. Although I'm curious about what hidden piece of information you speak of. What juicy bit did you discover that none of us have? We were told that if we weren't specifically told that we were Evil, we are Not Evil.NQT claimed that his information was in his role PM (also "the moderators randomly decide to give a player info during day one" is not a thing that ever happens). So yes, because his role PM (which we saw) does not contain the information that he claimed was in it, we know that NQT lied.
By "hidden information" I mean his item. That was censored for no apparent reason. That, to me, suggests that there is something sinister about the item - if it were innocent it could just flip with him like the rest of his role. It may have been the thing that told him his actual win condition, and thus gave him the impetus to spout bullshit.
Did you read what was mentioned about the item?
READ IT AGAIN.
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Item = [[It's rude to go through people's things so no one really knows what she had.]]How malevolent is that?
OOOOoooooo
Why don't we 'disarm' the situation by playing the Generalist! IT'S EVIL HENCE IT IS HIDDEN!
Let's see. Can you explain this 'no apparent reason' that exists?
Post by: Tiruin on February 23, 2014, 09:13:02 pm
If you can look farther than your (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5022287#msg5022287) range of vision, and see this 'omgREACSHUN' as negative, then yeah. I was snarky. Isn't that fun?
In that one post, I'd like you to explicitly state where I was so 'defensive', and why. You always lack that 'Why' when you speak about me.
Post by: Tiruin on February 23, 2014, 09:22:42 pm
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My guess is she's another meteor summoner who is trying to get attention off her buddy Ranger.Please logic-ify this to me. I can't understand how you could go to such tangents when Cado proposed to me, yesterday. (s)He had also claimed EVIL METEOR SUMMONER UP STRAIGHT, yesterday.
How does that make sense?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 23, 2014, 10:51:00 pm
You keep defending Cado, even when you say you aren't. RangerCado has personally claimed Evil and Meteor Summoner. While lynching Leafsnail does have it's reasons, as you have been insistent on pointing out, I can't think of any reason to leave RangerCado alive today. Here's why:
-If you lynch the guy who is less likely scum first:
-Person who is likely scum lives another day, while it's unlikely you actually got a scum player.
-If you lynch the guy who is more likely scum first:
-Person who is likely scum does not live long enough to take another action. There is also more time to decide on the other person.
I can't see any benefit whatsoever from lynching Leafsnail today and RangerCado later, rather than the other way around.
Also, a few more things:
YES, LEAFSNAIL. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO UTTERLY IMPLICATE HOW LYING IS THE NQT BY QUOTING, LINKING AND POSTING IT DOWN.
Because you never did so. You were nebulous, spurious and infactual--generally putting statements without a focused point, and offhandedly commenting the whole blasted day.
I would like FACTUAL proof from you. BACKED UP by statements of your own concern. STRIKE THROUGH those which do not apply.
Because I'd love to see you right. But you aren't working for it.
There is something to be said against Leafsnail here - he randomly claimed that that specific item was censored and no others were and then used it as "evidence" - but it's not actually about anything you keep saying. Rather than attacking the argument, you attack the way it is presented. What is causing your irrational attack on Leafsnail?
How shallow this poke is. So what if I 'defend' him? You gonna help me dig mah hole?
Now you're arguing that defending someone who has more against him than the guy you want lynched is just fine. I'll ask it again, since you still haven't given a reason: Why are you defending RangerCado?
I am...disappointed.[/url] Meta on Toaster? He does the usual 'reaction post' when he has nothing to go on. He flails, then passive aggressively pokes. I had given you time, Toast-buddy. Time to look back and reflect. Reflect on your thoughts and deeds.
Evidence for this please? Not that I doubt that something similar happened, but I want to see the actual comments to see how it actually was.Guess what peeps? We lynch an 'Evil' person who is NOT a meteor summoner and it gets us this: If he ain't a MS, then some of the non-evils are the MS. Given how TDS' connections in his posts (can't find the word that says I'M RELATED TO YOU) with Leafsnail--in lieu of 'evil'--are connected, Why do you not pursue the nebulous lead? We can trust Cado, yet I am under the paranoia that he has something up his sleeve.
See above - It makes sense to lynch RangerCado first if we think that being a Summoner means scum, even if Leafsnail is somewhat suspicious. Also, why do you trust Cado? I'd guess that he was simply confused by not knowing what his wincon was and the Summoner team had him test things by revealing himself. He has been open about his role and alignment, but so have most people here (including the other Evil people). What is it that lets you trust RangerCado so much? Right now, I'd vote for you if I wasn't already voting for Ranger, Tiruin.How malevolent is that?
Item = [[It's rude to go through people's things so no one really knows what she had.]]
OOOOoooooo
Why don't we 'disarm' the situation by playing the Generalist! IT'S EVIL HENCE IT IS HIDDEN!
Let's see. Can you explain this 'no apparent reason' that exists?
This is literally the only valid point you have, and it's something that needs more evidence to make a claim - Leafsnail could have insider knowledge, or he could just be mistaken on the nature of the game. However, you've been doing the "obsessively trying to get Leafsnail lynched/refusing to let the discussion focus on RangerCado" for a LONG time before that. You arguments are barely rational anymore, and you seem to be getting desperate as we get closer to getting RangerCado lynched.
Everyone Else: Read what I said about lynching Cado before anyone else. I really want to see what Mastahcheese gets from Tiruin tonight, since I don't think she's on the same side as us at all.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 23, 2014, 11:17:57 pm
Tiruin, I'm not going to inspect you.
I'm going to inspect Toaster for the night, you have a lot more questions that need answered.
Ninja'd before I could post.
Everyone Else: Read what I said about lynching Cado before anyone else. I really want to see what Mastahcheese gets from Tiruin tonight, since I don't think she's on the same side as us at all.Well, really, I starting to get more suspicious of Toaster at this point, just the tone that he's been having makes me really distrust him.
The ways he's been talking, I'm getting the feeling that he's hiding something from us.
Post by: Tiruin on February 24, 2014, 12:16:37 am
Tiruin:Non ci posso credere. While most of me wishes to reply at a reinforcing stance, let me ask--initially, did you take my stance to be defending against Cado's death, or something else?
You keep defending Cado, even when you say you aren't. RangerCado has personally claimed Evil and Meteor Summoner.
Post by: Tiruin on February 24, 2014, 12:29:58 am
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-If you lynch the guy who is less likely scum first:Targeting Leafsnail (or TDS) gives the benefit of DISCOUNTING the theory of Evil = somethingbad judging by the game mechanic--and not just that. That is a minor note.
-Person who is likely scum lives another day, while it's unlikely you actually got a scum player.
-If you lynch the guy who is more likely scum first:
-Person who is likely scum does not live long enough to take another action. There is also more time to decide on the other person.
I can't see any benefit whatsoever from lynching Leafsnail today and RangerCado later, rather than the other way around.
The benefit stands that we know there is a meteor summoner. What scenario will exist tomorrow, for your own factual discernment, is that we'll be getting off at point blank. Ground zero. Scratch. Unless and in fact our Cop (Mr. Cheese) has a valid point to forward, in which it is PROVEN that he did--clearing out Cado under honesty--then what have we to work on tomorrow, hmm?
Elucidate this one's view glass.
Your point on 'more likely scum' gives forth the open mindedness that Meteor Summoner =/= scum. That is a plausible viewpoint, however if it was not EXPLICITLY mentioned in the OP, and page 5 by Webbywebweb, then it is illogical to follow that Meteor Summoner is not scum, or in the least among the least plausible courses to follow through.
Why I suspect you, Toasty and Leafsnail is I see a ton of fluff and smoke coming from that direction--Toaster much more on him being lost rather than anything else given his...recent behavior.
Let's fix that post, shall we?
Spoiler: Your post trainwrecked. :/ I fix, probably. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on February 24, 2014, 01:00:30 am
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There is something to be said against Leafsnail here - he randomly claimed that that specific item was censored and no others were and then used it as "evidence" - but it's not actually about anything you keep saying. Rather than attacking the argument, you attack the way it is presented. What is causing your irrational attack on Leafsnail?Irrational is a nice adjective. Spices up the feeling on reading it.
I attacked the way it was presented as Leafsnail fails to say, as a generality, how that is a detriment--rather in the lack of words, and by reading his statement as is, he follows it up as something to define why NQT was flailing about, and as a following conclusion, presented it in a bad light.
You seem to be subtly leaking your own opinion by calling this as irrational instead of questioning the point in itself--rather than give your own opinion, you hide it in these tiny adjectives. I am curious.
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Now you're arguing that defending someone who has more against him than the guy you want lynched is just fine. I'll ask it again, since you still haven't given a reason: Why are you defending RangerCado?As stated, concluding before reason. It seems that in your process of using the word 'defending', it takes a tone of malice.
Could you state why it speaks to me as somewhat malevolent? The usage of the term, 'defending'.
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Evidence for this please? Not that I doubt that something similar happened, but I want to see the actual comments to see how it actually was....You broke the link. Anyway- the evidence lies in metaknowledge. I cannot link similar cases due to me not remembering any, though I do remember that being one of Toaster's metapoints. He relies on reaction tells more often than not, yet as 4maskwolf says and which I turn to my own words: he fails to relate it to Reality.
That, and my reaction to him was, or seems aggressive due to one point: He doesn't ask me why I act like that. He goes off and spouts imperatives in a faux-accusatory manner. While such a case I can detect, it does me no good emotinally to see such a person stoop to concluding before looking back at anything.
The link in question debunks his accusatory statement, if you read.
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See above - It makes sense to lynch RangerCado first if we think that being a Summoner means scum, even if Leafsnail is somewhat suspicious. Also, why do you trust Cado? I'd guess that he was simply confused by not knowing what his wincon was and the Summoner team had him test things by revealing himself. He has been open about his role and alignment, but so have most people here (including the other Evil people). What is it that lets you trust RangerCado so much? Right now, I'd vote for you if I wasn't already voting for Ranger, Tiruin.Ahh, the best part.
Let me pull out certain words from here that makes me feel like you are tied with Leafsnail.
> "Even if Leafsnail is somewhat suspicious" -- So what? Have you backing for why you prefer Cado? Yea, I see it. You don't have to restate it. You want Cado lynched to be sure of what purpose exists--yet I stand on why I want either Leafsnail or you lynched to prove that Evil =/= Meteor Summoner. I understand your point in wishing to prove that Meteor Summoner = bad or whatever, but it is explicitly stated in the OP that Meteor Summoner is a BAD THING.
Cue looking up to why I said so.
> "Also" - Seguing onto another tangent I see? 'Trust' is a nice word to follow it. I do not trust Cado. I was paranoid--meaning believing something else--that he had an ulterior motive to claiming. Background. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949960;topicseen#msg4949960)
> "What is it that lets you trust RangerCado so much?" *points at Mr. Cheese*
Hello?
> "Right now, I'd vote for you if I wasn't already voting for Ranger, Tiruin." Aww such a nice threat! <3
You lack in stating why, though. Your threats are baseless. Pressure vote ahoy? C'mon, tell me.
Yeah I'm cynical here.
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This is literally the only valid point you have, and it's something that needs more evidence to make a claim - Leafsnail could have insider knowledge, or he could just be mistaken on the nature of the game. However, you've been doing the "obsessively trying to get Leafsnail lynched/refusing to let the discussion focus on RangerCado" for a LONG time before that. You arguments are barely rational anymore, and you seem to be getting desperate as we get closer to getting RangerCado lynched.And here comes in TDS' meta. One who shouts much and accuses, yet does not see the backing that I have done with my case. Do you read what I wrote? Aye, 'tis barely rational to you yet I want to see opinions for my mind to feast on, not you shooting blanks.
Let me start. Tiruin's arguments are barely rational because...?
Tiruin is desperate when she did...
Leafsnail could have...
There you go.
Now tell me why you're 'defending' Leafsnail?
Now do you argue that I am not justified by calling you out on your circular logic and/or acting on recent note rather than what was stated before? I feel like I am. Though you may have just forgotten.
Mr. Cheese: Are you passing on that protect-ability I gave you? To whom and why? Do you believe this 'greed' thing Wuba said before (vaguely hinted) is a real mechanic?
Nerjin: Can we state out loud who we pass items to?
Post by: Tiruin on February 24, 2014, 01:11:09 am
See, from my perspective, I see there's a hidden mafia team. 3 people. Let's say one outed himself-Cado: That leaves two other people supporting each other in full honesty. Now I'm biased. I see you directly related to him in this prospect. Could you explain to me-why and how-you see Meteor Summoners as not a good thing?
We do not know why we lynch, nor do we know why we should, but the imperative speaks--and it is mentioned in this game's lore, that there is a side we can all rally against. It is the summoners.
If they weren't bad, why didn't they all claim? For fear? Are their wincons tied?
Stuff to ponder upon.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 24, 2014, 01:49:04 pm
Mr. Cheese: Are you passing on that protect-ability I gave you? To whom and why? Do you believe this 'greed' thing Wuba said before (vaguely hinted) is a real mechanic?I thought I mentioned it earlier, I might have forgotten. I do not have your protection item. Nor did I ever receive it. I do have an item, but it is not a protection one. I'm not sure who I'd give it to if I did have it, though. Although, I'd like to ask you a question. Who do you think would be the most dangerous right now? Exclude MOWE because theirs is reactive.
I think the "greed" thing he said is just fluff. I imagine that Caz (or whoever it was that said they could hold two items) may have something related to being greedy in their flavor role text, but I don't think that it's really anything more than just a fluffy way of stating it.
Post by: Nerjin on February 24, 2014, 04:41:57 pm
Nerjin: Can we state out loud who we pass items to?[/b]
Absolutely not. I thought it was a common rule that you can't discuss the mafia game outside of the forums. Really, Tiruin, I expected better of you. NOW if you'd like to POST on the FORUM about who you give your items to that's perfectly fine.
[Day ends in 20 Minutes
Post by: mastahcheese on February 24, 2014, 04:43:21 pm
Post by: Nerjin on February 24, 2014, 04:44:05 pm
I want to be modkilled.
Hm? What was that? Are you sure?
Post by: mastahcheese on February 24, 2014, 04:45:17 pm
Post by: Nerjin on February 24, 2014, 04:59:06 pm
"Lynch Ranger!"
"No Cado!"
"No Ranger!"
The two groups of students were nearly coming to blows over the delicate issue.
"Wait a second..." Leafsnail said ponderously "Ranger and Cado are the same person!"
"... Uh..." The group wanting Ranger lynched paled "Uh... Lynch Leafsnail!"
"What!?"
"Lynch snail!"
"Lynch Cado!"
"Lynch Snail!"
"Lynch Cado!"
and so on and so forth for many days went the argument. Literally... The students spent literal days doing this. It's like 'Wow guys, days? Don't you have families or something?'
LUCKILY for our purposes Mr. Nerjin finally deigned to ring the bell and allow the students to leave. Unfortunately with neither side of the debate reaching majority the students were forced to simply let them both live. Normally Dr. Nerjin would have shot them both or, at the very least, bludgeoned them a bit. But thankfully his favorite comedy was on: "Cutting Tool III: The Cuttening" so they both lived... For now.
There was a tie! No one was lynched!
TheWetSheep has replaced Hapah
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Extend Used) Leafsnail - MyOwnWorstEnemy, Tiriun, 4maskwolf [4 - Tie]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
(Extend Used) RangerCado - Caz, Makeinu, TheDarkStar, Toaster, [4 - Tie]
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin - Leafsnail, [1]
Toaster -
Not Voting - TheWetSheep, mastahcheese, RangerCado,
Night 2 will end at 5pm Wednesday, February 26th, 2014.
Post by: Nerjin on February 25, 2014, 09:35:12 am
Okay, so apparently a lot of you aren't having fun due to having no frieken clue what you're doing. In the interest of keeping this game somewhat interesting for all of you, tonight, I'd like you all to PM me as to whether you think I should reveal some extra information. If the majority deems it acceptable I'll try to reveal a little extra for each player [privately]. Hopefully this'll keep the game from devolving into "*Sigh* Guess I'll post in Smstr because I have too..."
Post by: Nerjin on February 28, 2014, 01:04:06 pm
Buuuuuut.... I clean my inbox after I do actions. So having typed up everything I had deleted the inbox and was about to post. Laptop shut down... So now I have none of your actions and none of the item switching... That being said... Night extended to Tuesday March 4th, 5PM...
I really am sorry about this.
Post by: Nerjin on March 05, 2014, 08:41:42 pm
This is starting to make me feel awful...
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 05, 2014, 08:43:26 pm
Work happened yesterday... Update schedules happened today. Day extended 24 further hours
This is starting to make me feel awful...
Don't worry, RL comes up. We'll be here ready to play when you've have time to start day 3.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 05, 2014, 08:44:16 pm
What TDS said.Work happened yesterday... Update schedules happened today. Day extended 24 further hours
This is starting to make me feel awful...
Don't worry, RL comes up. We'll be here ready to play when you've have time to start day 3.
Post by: Nerjin on March 05, 2014, 08:45:14 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 05, 2014, 09:01:40 pm
You're doing very muchly well for:
a. A first time mod
b. The only working mod under these kinds of circumstances
c. Not being the OP-mod
:))
Post by: Nerjin on March 06, 2014, 11:26:37 pm
"Hello children. I have some excellent news! It turns out that I was right. Putting trace amounts of iocane into your lunches causes everyone's memory to reset. How quant right? I'm required, however, by law to state the following."
Pulling his revolver out he begins twirling it.
"I promise to no longer put trace amounts of Iocane Powder into your lunches. By chance would any of you like one of these two glasses of wine?"
DAY 3 START
Vote Count
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4maskwolf -
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Extend Used) Leafsnail -
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
(Extend Used) RangerCado -
TheDarkStar -
(Extend Used) Tiruin -
Toaster -
Not Voting - Anybody!
Day 3 will end on March 11th, 2014 at 5PM [[Hopefully...]]
And before any of you get on me about not doing your actions keep in mind that I said you needed to Re-PM it to me. I've not cleaned my inbox since then so... Yeah. On with the game, hopefully there will be no more delays.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 06, 2014, 11:30:08 pm
Where do we begin?
Post by: Toaster on March 07, 2014, 12:07:06 am
Where do we begin?
Massclaiming.
I am the Robot. I have two abilities. One, all magic abilities fail on me. Two, I can steal powers from dead players. The former is an auto and the latter is a night ability. Since only NQT has died, I took his confirmed town at game start ability. Since game start has already passed, it did jack for me.
I didn't start with an item. End of D1 I got a spellbook of powerful spells. It grants a day ability to read it and maybe gain a spell. Useless, since I had ditch it by night end. I threw it to Mastahcheese since I figured he was town at that point. [Note- at this point I figured everything was really just a 100% standard Mafia game in disguise.]
End of N1 I got a mirror- it made me redirect/randomize immune (also useless). I also passed it to Mastahcheese. Apparently Nerjin forgot about it (I did too) because he didn't ask me about sending it elsewhere until N2. I also gave it to Mastahcheese. [I had to ask him what item I had when he asked me where I wanted to send my item.]
Why am I claiming all this?
I used my question to ask my wincon. If you didn't do that, you're probably scum (but I don't care.)
My wincon is to use the Sandwich or Grilled Sandwich item. If someone sends it to me, I'll happily use it and leave the game. I suspect MOWE is involved somehow, but I don't know how. I also rather suspect that items are involved in the wincons of many people. If we massclaim we can probably get many people to win.
Tiruin: I suspect you're allied with Ranger still, but I really don't care any more. If there's any question to me from D2 that's still relevant after this post, feel free to ask, but don't expect me to be long-winded. I've lost track of a lot since D2.
Post by: Nerjin on March 07, 2014, 12:12:35 am
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GET RID OF YOUR ITEM AT DAY END ANYMORE!
It's just more book-keeping and kinda screws some people out of being able to use the item. I don't know why web did that but in the interest of keeping the game fun I am gonna change that one rule. [Sorry guys, trying to keep the game fun is more important to me than keeping this one rule the same. Don't worry though, all other rules are set in stone]
Also, you get rid of your item AFTER you take actions. So... Yeah. Some people apparently thought it was gotten rid of first.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 07, 2014, 12:27:17 am
Sounds good.Where do we begin?Massclaiming.
I am the Witchhunter, as I stated previously.
I can inspect people at night, to determine alignment. (By the way, I inspected Toaster, he's telling the truth about being not evil.)
I did not start with an item.
At night 1, I did not receive anything. I inspected Cado, and I've already confirmed what they've been claiming.
At Day 2, I received a sword, that let me watch someone, if they performed a hostile action, I would react by killing them. I assume this was MOWE's sword.
I actually forgot I even had the sword by the Day's end, and when I inspected Toaster, I failed to specify a person to hand the sword too, so WHOEVER GOT THE SWORD SHOULD CLAIM NOW.
And I now have that mirror that Toaster handed me.
I also asked about my wincon, but...
It's a bit complicated, in that I wasn't given as straight an answer as Toaster.
All I know is that it has to do with scum, but I didn't get anything farther than that, which really sucks, because I kinda already figured that.
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 12:33:40 am
...
What the bleeding heck.
Tiruin: I suspect you're allied with Ranger still, but I really don't care any more. If there's any question to me from D2 that's still relevant after this post, feel free to ask, but don't expect me to be long-winded. I've lost track of a lot since D2.I'm not allied with him at all. >_> This 'allied' thing you speak of--where did you get that idea?
Query: What is your outlook on TDS/Leafsnail?
Leafsnail
Hello dear boy. You ARE Evil. You have been lying. And so have I.
I actually am not a protector but an investigator-type. Could you tell me how...oh, malevolent you are?
@Toaster: I withhold my claim before team Evil speaks. My judgement and guesses have been right all along.
Query @Everyone: Who threw me this nifty book?
Oh, and I bloody have no idea what my wincon is. It has, or the clue rather, to do with...beards though. Who knew. >.>
Mr. Cheese
Wat.Sounds good.Where do we begin?Massclaiming.
I am the Witchhunter, as I stated previously.
I can inspect people at night, to determine alignment. (By the way, I inspected Toaster, he's telling the truth about being not evil.)
I did not start with an item.
At night 1, I did not receive anything. I inspected Cado, and I've already confirmed what they've been claiming.
At Day 2, I received a sword, that let me watch someone, if they performed a hostile action, I would react by killing them. I assume this was MOWE's sword.
I actually forgot I even had the sword by the Day's end, and when I inspected Toaster, I failed to specify a person to hand the sword too, so WHOEVER GOT THE SWORD SHOULD CLAIM NOW.
And I now have that mirror that Toaster handed me.
I also asked about my wincon, but...
It's a bit complicated, in that I wasn't given as straight an answer as Toaster.
All I know is that it has to do with scum, but I didn't get anything farther than that, which really sucks, because I kinda already figured that.
WHERE IS YOUR BLOODY CROWN?!
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 07, 2014, 12:37:48 am
I am the fire wizard. I do burny stuff like destroying items.
I actually used my question on a tangential thing that will likely come up, but my wincon is to cast some big fire spell, which will go off at the end of day 4 (the date was what I checked, I acquired the ability at the end of night one). It shouldn't my be harmful to you all.
I started the game with an invisibility cloak, and gave it to RangerCado, who apparently returned it to me because I have it again.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 07, 2014, 12:41:24 am
WHERE IS YOUR BLOODY CROWN?!Well, Toaster keeps trying to give me crud, and apparently if multiple people try to give me stuff, I can only keep one, so someone ended up with it!
WHOEVER HAS THE BLOODY CROWN ALSO NEEDS TO SPEAK UP
Post by: Nerjin on March 07, 2014, 12:43:57 am
apparently if multiple people try to give me stuff, I can only keep one,
To do otherwise would require one to be ambidexterous. After all it's impossible to hold something in your non-dominant hand. We're playing a realistic hard-corez mode game here Cheese. I'd thank you to keep your silly "Two handing" thing to yourself... [I is make joke... :D]
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 12:46:20 am
Nerjin: Is there an order in receiving items?!
Post by: mastahcheese on March 07, 2014, 12:48:05 am
Also, I vote Nerjin for Mod-Troll of the year.
Post by: Nerjin on March 07, 2014, 12:49:14 am
There is... kinda.
I'll just go ahead and say this: "If multiple people try to give you an item I roll a die. If three people are giving you an item it is three sided. Let's say it rolls 2. I roll again and it rolls 1. I roll again and it rolls 2. The item assigned #2 is given to you and the others are given to a random person. Basically, first item to get "sent" to you twice wins out."
Also, Mod-troll?
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 12:50:32 am
*shoots Nerjin*
Pew pew!
:I
I can inspect people at night, to determine alignment. (By the way, I inspected Toaster, he's telling the truth about being not evil.)True that. ;)
Post by: Nerjin on March 07, 2014, 12:51:38 am
Unobvious joke should be more obvious now... Nerjin is still alive.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 07, 2014, 12:52:28 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 12:52:52 am
Wat.
Norly.
Post by: Nerjin on March 07, 2014, 12:53:58 am
Post by: mastahcheese on March 07, 2014, 12:55:04 am
Unvote, then, since apparently Nerjin is some kind of lying Mod-Troll or something.
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 12:56:09 am
Post by: Nerjin on March 07, 2014, 12:56:43 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 12:58:59 am
Post by: mastahcheese on March 07, 2014, 01:02:50 am
So who do you suspect now Mr. Cheese?Heck if I know, but If my wincon involves the scum, then I guess I should do what should be obvious and vote Leafsnail.
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 01:07:20 am
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My wincon is to use the Sandwich or Grilled Sandwich item. If someone sends it to me, I'll happily use it and leave the game. I suspect MOWE is involved somehow, but I don't know how. I also rather suspect that items are involved in the wincons of many people. If we massclaim we can probably get many people to win.Was this hinted anywhere in your role flavor?
Post by: Caz on March 07, 2014, 08:42:24 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 08:46:16 am
Is my best guess. :v
Post by: Toaster on March 07, 2014, 08:54:31 am
ToasterQuoteMy wincon is to use the Sandwich or Grilled Sandwich item. If someone sends it to me, I'll happily use it and leave the game. I suspect MOWE is involved somehow, but I don't know how. I also rather suspect that items are involved in the wincons of many people. If we massclaim we can probably get many people to win.Was this hinted anywhere in your role flavor?
Yes, and I can even quote this one! From game start post:
“Error: Require Warmnumnum.exe”
That was me. I said as much earlier:
I'm the Robot. That's me asking for Warmnumnum.exe. I am genderless, so don't try to seduce me or anything.
My possible wincon is either to find that file (the library is missing) or possibly to eat some warm num nums. Supposedly I eat batteries, but a sandwich could qualify- hence why I want to eat you!
So yes, it was hinted.
I'm not allied with him at all. >_> This 'allied' thing you speak of--where did you get that idea?
Query: What is your outlook on TDS/Leafsnail?
From your EXTREME aversion to seeing him lynched.
I buy their claim of being evil. Beyond that, not much- I don't see them as affecting my wincon.
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 09:08:14 am
From your EXTREME aversion to seeing him lynched.Ok, now that I have my information, I really DO think we're MISCOMMUNICATING at the highest echelons. :S
I buy their claim of being evil. Beyond that, not much- I don't see them as affecting my wincon.
I was averted(is this the right form of word?) to his lynch because I saw no bloody gain from it and resorted towards the better concept.
That's the short part of it that holds my whole foundation here.
Post by: Toaster on March 07, 2014, 09:32:27 am
I disagree with you on no information from it, but I am no longer interested in that information anyway.
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 09:51:46 am
So why are you not interested anymore?
...
That sounds more personal. :S
Post by: Toaster on March 07, 2014, 09:58:39 am
Why am I not interested?
My wincon is to use the Sandwich or Grilled Sandwich item.
If you can tell me how any of that advances my wincon, I'm listening.
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 10:06:42 am
Tiruin, why are you lying? I said about fifty times why I wanted him lynched.I quite dislike how you bridge two statements differenty. It confuses me at times. And when I say dislike, I mean more of D: than D:<
I await Leafsnail's post to reply to that.
Next: You...wanted Cado lynched because he claimed Evil, and is Meteor Summoner. Yeah. I got that. But you didn't explain why lynching Leafsnail or TDS is a worse thing as far as I know.
Why am I not interested?O_o
Umm...
I disagree with you on no information from it, but I am no longer interested in that information anyway.I have no idea why you're not interested so I ask you about it.
I have no idea either, but I guess someone has an item like this hanging around. I got a book and nobody's talking on who gave me this book.My wincon is to use the Sandwich or Grilled Sandwich item.
If you can tell me how any of that advances my wincon, I'm listening.
I had a hint that...beards...are related to my wincon. My flavor does say I like beards.
...Yeah. Beards does not compute. I see no hint of it in flavor (meaning I guess I wasn't a prominent speaker) or anything but that its more of an 'being a skilled mage makes me look geeky and a beard fixes it all.
...
...
Oh hey, it does make sense. My flavor says I wish to be normal, but no. I'm a mage.
So bearded mage.
Awww that just got awesome! Anyone have a hair tonic or whatever that stimulates facial hair growth?
Post by: Caz on March 07, 2014, 11:37:12 am
Tiruin, why are you lying? I said about fifty times why I wanted him lynched.I quite dislike how you bridge two statements differenty. It confuses me at times. And when I say dislike, I mean more of D: than D:<
I await Leafsnail's post to reply to that.
Next: You...wanted Cado lynched because he claimed Evil, and is Meteor Summoner. Yeah. I got that. But you didn't explain why lynching Leafsnail or TDS is a worse thing as far as I know.Why am I not interested?O_o
Umm...I disagree with you on no information from it, but I am no longer interested in that information anyway.I have no idea why you're not interested so I ask you about it.I have no idea either, but I guess someone has an item like this hanging around. I got a book and nobody's talking on who gave me this book.My wincon is to use the Sandwich or Grilled Sandwich item.
If you can tell me how any of that advances my wincon, I'm listening.
I had a hint that...beards...are related to my wincon. My flavor does say I like beards.
...Yeah. Beards does not compute. I see no hint of it in flavor (meaning I guess I wasn't a prominent speaker) or anything but that its more of an 'being a skilled mage makes me look geeky and a beard fixes it all.
...
...
Oh hey, it does make sense. My flavor says I wish to be normal, but no. I'm a mage.
So bearded mage.
Awww that just got awesome! Anyone have a hair tonic or whatever that stimulates facial hair growth?
Wait, you got a book? I tried to give you the "world-destroying powers" book or whatever. But my PM says all my actions didn't work. So... wtf.
Post by: Toaster on March 07, 2014, 12:34:28 pm
Post by: Nerjin on March 07, 2014, 01:11:09 pm
Uhm... since both of my days worth of actions keep failing I think my character is the bastard of this game O_o no answer on wincon either. Lynch me or something, because I can't figure out this one.
... Whoops! Uh... Could you resend your question? I must have missed it.
Quote from: Caz
Said my actions failed
Your gifting worked. Sorry for the confusion.
Post by: Caz on March 07, 2014, 04:17:30 pm
Uhm... since both of my days worth of actions keep failing I think my character is the bastard of this game O_o no answer on wincon either. Lynch me or something, because I can't figure out this one.
... Whoops! Uh... Could you resend your question? I must have missed it.Quote from: CazSaid my actions failed
Your gifting worked. Sorry for the confusion.
Uh.. "what be my wincon, sir mod?"
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 07, 2014, 05:02:37 pm
I am a Diplomancer (yeah, terrible pun). I am also Evil (but not a summoner).
As I said before, I can steal an item if I do not have one already. As for wincon, the only thing that would make sense would have been seeing NQT die, but he's been dead for a while and I never got any kind of notification.
As for the sandwich thing: If I get that book, I might learn the spell "turn to sandwich" that I can then use on MOWE. This would at least let MOWE and possibly Toaster win (yeah, funny, "Toaster" getting a sandwich).
Post by: Caz on March 07, 2014, 06:31:01 pm
I'm reclaiming, since it's probably been 50 pages since I last did that:
I am a Diplomancer (yeah, terrible pun). I am also Evil (but not a summoner).
As I said before, I can steal an item if I do not have one already. As for wincon, the only thing that would make sense would have been seeing NQT die, but he's been dead for a while and I never got any kind of notification.
As for the sandwich thing: If I get that book, I might learn the spell "turn to sandwich" that I can then use on MOWE. This would at least let MOWE and possibly Toaster win (yeah, funny, "Toaster" getting a sandwich).
So you don't have a town wincon?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 07, 2014, 06:55:34 pm
I'm reclaiming, since it's probably been 50 pages since I last did that:
I am a Diplomancer (yeah, terrible pun). I am also Evil (but not a summoner).
As I said before, I can steal an item if I do not have one already. As for wincon, the only thing that would make sense would have been seeing NQT die, but he's been dead for a while and I never got any kind of notification.
As for the sandwich thing: If I get that book, I might learn the spell "turn to sandwich" that I can then use on MOWE. This would at least let MOWE and possibly Toaster win (yeah, funny, "Toaster" getting a sandwich).
So you don't have a town wincon?
As far as I can tell, I don't have ANY stated wincon. I also messed up sending a PM to Nerjin because he lost my question and I missed sending it again.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 07, 2014, 07:02:38 pm
I'm reclaiming, since it's probably been 50 pages since I last did that:
I am a Diplomancer (yeah, terrible pun). I am also Evil (but not a summoner).
As I said before, I can steal an item if I do not have one already. As for wincon, the only thing that would make sense would have been seeing NQT die, but he's been dead for a while and I never got any kind of notification.
As for the sandwich thing: If I get that book, I might learn the spell "turn to sandwich" that I can then use on MOWE. This would at least let MOWE and possibly Toaster win (yeah, funny, "Toaster" getting a sandwich).
So you don't have a town wincon?
As far as I can tell, I don't have ANY stated wincon. I also messed up sending a PM to Nerjin because he lost my question and I missed sending it again.
EBWOP: Actually, I might be happy if I get a piece of pie. Are there any related ideas?
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 08:24:03 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 07, 2014, 08:29:24 pm
Also, the crown is the only thing I can think of that relates. What are the details on it?
Post by: Tiruin on March 07, 2014, 08:59:09 pm
Post by: Caz on March 07, 2014, 10:32:43 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 07, 2014, 10:45:07 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 07, 2014, 10:46:42 pm
Why are you voting TDS?
Seconded. One-word voting posts don't really achieve anything. What is your reasoning, Caz?
Post by: Caz on March 07, 2014, 10:54:16 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 07, 2014, 10:58:26 pm
also he claimed evil and evil imo = anti-town...Any particular reason you think this? So far, "evil" just seems to be a descriptor, rather than anything else in this game.
Were you told differently?
Post by: Caz on March 07, 2014, 11:03:51 pm
also he claimed evil and evil imo = anti-town...Any particular reason you think this? So far, "evil" just seems to be a descriptor, rather than anything else in this game.
Were you told differently?
meh, we went for the "bastard mod is bastard" idea and all it did was to lynch a confirmed townie and NL on day 2. now that i have my wincon i want to be rid of an evil member as fast as possible to see them flip.
Post by: Toaster on March 07, 2014, 11:09:37 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 07, 2014, 11:24:43 pm
So why not vote for Leafsnail, who already has a vote against him?
Why not vote for RangerCado instead, who has an even larger reason to die (evil and summoner), or Tiruin, who is defending Ranger despite this?
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2014, 12:30:07 am
Caz:Back it up, son. You've done nothing but puff hot air all this time.So why not vote for Leafsnail, who already has a vote against him?
Why not vote for RangerCado instead, who has an even larger reason to die (evil and summoner), or Tiruin, who is defending Ranger despite this?
DarkStarGood bloody idea! Let's lynch the one who can steal items instead!
TheDarkStar
Playing only to 'honesty' gets you just so far, Team Evil.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 08, 2014, 12:48:14 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2014, 12:55:59 am
requesting replacement.Noooo u_u
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 08, 2014, 08:39:07 am
Caz:Back it up, son. You've done nothing but puff hot air all this time.So why not vote for Leafsnail, who already has a vote against him?
Why not vote for RangerCado instead, who has an even larger reason to die (evil and summoner), or Tiruin, who is defending Ranger despite this?DarkStarGood bloody idea! Let's lynch the one who can steal items instead!
TheDarkStar
Playing only to 'honesty' gets you just so far, Team Evil.
Guess what? I can't actually steal anything if I have an item. It's easy do do this - just give me an item.
Also, you're ignoring what I say about RangerCado; this entire game, you've been trying to convince people to not vote him. WHY?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 08, 2014, 07:28:13 pm
Post by: Silthuri on March 08, 2014, 11:30:18 pm
I wish I had been able to get in here to see that there was going to be a tie last time. I would have switched my vote. I think it's high time we lynch someone who can actually give us some insight into the game. Until further notice, Leafsnail, for being undeniably scummy and proving he is the most dangerous of the claimed Evil people. Although at this point, I wouldn't be opposed to a Cado lynch, I'm going to say that Leafsnail is more scummy and thus a better lynch target.
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 01:46:51 am
Also, you're ignoring what I say about RangerCado; this entire game, you've been trying to convince people to not vote him. WHY?Prove that I'm ignoring it when I've repeated myself over and over again especially when I did state--and you replied to--my reason in regard to 'Why Tiruin wants Leafsnail/TDS lynched before Cado'.
Hint: It includes the idea of saving Cado for later in the event that you would outnumber us from a 3-person perspective. The only argument that you have ever forwarded was that 'hey I'm not a summoner!'
Which is proven false.
Tell me, why didn't the other 2 summoners claim?
Leafsnail, for reasons stated yesterday.
I highly doubt I'm going to have to claim again. I'm a sandwich person that lives in a giant refrigerator and sleeps between two slices of bread. I've already poured my heart and soul out to everyone. I would really love to know if someone had the ability to cast spells that could possibly turn me into a sandwich again or had any other ideas on how that could work.Hit TDS instead, peoples. (Leafsnail is quiet nowadays, unsure if RL. :S) And while I've direct notice on him, I'd wonder if the only last target that isn't under suspect is along with them.
I wish I had been able to get in here to see that there was going to be a tie last time. I would have switched my vote. I think it's high time we lynch someone who can actually give us some insight into the game. Until further notice, Leafsnail, for being undeniably scummy and proving he is the most dangerous of the claimed Evil people. Although at this point, I wouldn't be opposed to a Cado lynch, I'm going to say that Leafsnail is more scummy and thus a better lynch target.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 09:01:36 am
Alright. TDSAlso, you're ignoring what I say about RangerCado; this entire game, you've been trying to convince people to not vote him. WHY?Prove that I'm ignoring it when I've repeated myself over and over again especially when I did state--and you replied to--my reason in regard to 'Why Tiruin wants Leafsnail/TDS lynched before Cado'.
Hint: It includes the idea of saving Cado for later in the event that you would outnumber us from a 3-person perspective. The only argument that you have ever forwarded was that 'hey I'm not a summoner!'
Which is proven false.
Tell me, why didn't the other 2 summoners claim?Leafsnail, for reasons stated yesterday.I highly doubt I'm going to have to claim again. I'm a sandwich person that lives in a giant refrigerator and sleeps between two slices of bread. I've already poured my heart and soul out to everyone. I would really love to know if someone had the ability to cast spells that could possibly turn me into a sandwich again or had any other ideas on how that could work.Hit TDS instead, peoples. (Leafsnail is quiet nowadays, unsure if RL. :S) And while I've direct notice on him, I'd wonder if the only last target that isn't under suspect is along with them.
I wish I had been able to get in here to see that there was going to be a tie last time. I would have switched my vote. I think it's high time we lynch someone who can actually give us some insight into the game. Until further notice, Leafsnail, for being undeniably scummy and proving he is the most dangerous of the claimed Evil people. Although at this point, I wouldn't be opposed to a Cado lynch, I'm going to say that Leafsnail is more scummy and thus a better lynch target.
Unrequest Replacement
Post by: Silthuri on March 09, 2014, 12:35:30 pm
Leafsnail, for reasons stated yesterday.I highly doubt I'm going to have to claim again. I'm a sandwich person that lives in a giant refrigerator and sleeps between two slices of bread. I've already poured my heart and soul out to everyone. I would really love to know if someone had the ability to cast spells that could possibly turn me into a sandwich again or had any other ideas on how that could work.Hit TDS instead, peoples. (Leafsnail is quiet nowadays, unsure if RL. :S) And while I've direct notice on him, I'd wonder if the only last target that isn't under suspect is along with them.
I wish I had been able to get in here to see that there was going to be a tie last time. I would have switched my vote. I think it's high time we lynch someone who can actually give us some insight into the game. Until further notice, Leafsnail, for being undeniably scummy and proving he is the most dangerous of the claimed Evil people. Although at this point, I wouldn't be opposed to a Cado lynch, I'm going to say that Leafsnail is more scummy and thus a better lynch target.
I see your point, but I'm not going to vote TDS just yet. Unless someone has another way to help me become a sandwich again.
Post by: Toaster on March 09, 2014, 02:29:34 pm
Leafsnail, to avoid a TDS lynch.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 09, 2014, 04:10:39 pm
Also, you're ignoring what I say about RangerCado; this entire game, you've been trying to convince people to not vote him. WHY?Prove that I'm ignoring it when I've repeated myself over and over again especially when I did state--and you replied to--my reason in regard to 'Why Tiruin wants Leafsnail/TDS lynched before Cado'.
Hint: It includes the idea of saving Cado for later in the event that you would outnumber us from a 3-person perspective. The only argument that you have ever forwarded was that 'hey I'm not a summoner!'
Which is proven false.
Tell me, why didn't the other 2 summoners claim?Leafsnail, for reasons stated yesterday.I highly doubt I'm going to have to claim again. I'm a sandwich person that lives in a giant refrigerator and sleeps between two slices of bread. I've already poured my heart and soul out to everyone. I would really love to know if someone had the ability to cast spells that could possibly turn me into a sandwich again or had any other ideas on how that could work.Hit TDS instead, peoples. (Leafsnail is quiet nowadays, unsure if RL. :S) And while I've direct notice on him, I'd wonder if the only last target that isn't under suspect is along with them.
I wish I had been able to get in here to see that there was going to be a tie last time. I would have switched my vote. I think it's high time we lynch someone who can actually give us some insight into the game. Until further notice, Leafsnail, for being undeniably scummy and proving he is the most dangerous of the claimed Evil people. Although at this point, I wouldn't be opposed to a Cado lynch, I'm going to say that Leafsnail is more scummy and thus a better lynch target.
Why are you working so hard on defending RangerCado?? There is no point in "saving him for later"; you're just trying to delay getting rid of the guy with even more against him. If you weren't working with him, there would be no reason to defend him. You should always get rid of the people who you know are bad for certain, rather than leave them alive and able to take whatever nightactions they want while you're busy finding someone else.
Also, I'd like to know how you've "proven" that I am a summoner. If you really want to know, just have mastahcheese check me.
As for why the summoners didn't claim, how would I know? Maybe Ranger claimed when he saw other people claiming and then he realized that it was a bad idea. Also, you're asking a question that has no good answer - if I say I don't know, then you say "He's obviously lying. SCUM!!!!!" If I take a guess, you say "He would only know if he was a summoner. SCUM!!!!!". You're not just asking me questions to find things out; you're actively making me look bad.
Also, there's Toaster's question, which also makes you seem scummy. You're not trying to help people win in general; you're trying to trying to make other people lose.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 04:34:21 pm
I'd like to see a total claim from Ranger before I make any judgements along these lines. RangerCado never struck me as particularly scummy and was very candid about allegiance. but I suppose that your point about making Toaster lose is fair. Unvote.Also, you're ignoring what I say about RangerCado; this entire game, you've been trying to convince people to not vote him. WHY?Prove that I'm ignoring it when I've repeated myself over and over again especially when I did state--and you replied to--my reason in regard to 'Why Tiruin wants Leafsnail/TDS lynched before Cado'.
Hint: It includes the idea of saving Cado for later in the event that you would outnumber us from a 3-person perspective. The only argument that you have ever forwarded was that 'hey I'm not a summoner!'
Which is proven false.
Tell me, why didn't the other 2 summoners claim?Leafsnail, for reasons stated yesterday.I highly doubt I'm going to have to claim again. I'm a sandwich person that lives in a giant refrigerator and sleeps between two slices of bread. I've already poured my heart and soul out to everyone. I would really love to know if someone had the ability to cast spells that could possibly turn me into a sandwich again or had any other ideas on how that could work.Hit TDS instead, peoples. (Leafsnail is quiet nowadays, unsure if RL. :S) And while I've direct notice on him, I'd wonder if the only last target that isn't under suspect is along with them.
I wish I had been able to get in here to see that there was going to be a tie last time. I would have switched my vote. I think it's high time we lynch someone who can actually give us some insight into the game. Until further notice, Leafsnail, for being undeniably scummy and proving he is the most dangerous of the claimed Evil people. Although at this point, I wouldn't be opposed to a Cado lynch, I'm going to say that Leafsnail is more scummy and thus a better lynch target.
Why are you working so hard on defending RangerCado?? There is no point in "saving him for later"; you're just trying to delay getting rid of the guy with even more against him. If you weren't working with him, there would be no reason to defend him. You should always get rid of the people who you know are bad for certain, rather than leave them alive and able to take whatever nightactions they want while you're busy finding someone else.
Also, I'd like to know how you've "proven" that I am a summoner. If you really want to know, just have mastahcheese check me.
As for why the summoners didn't claim, how would I know? Maybe Ranger claimed when he saw other people claiming and then he realized that it was a bad idea. Also, you're asking a question that has no good answer - if I say I don't know, then you say "He's obviously lying. SCUM!!!!!" If I take a guess, you say "He would only know if he was a summoner. SCUM!!!!!". You're not just asking me questions to find things out; you're actively making me look bad.
Also, there's Toaster's question, which also makes you seem scummy. You're not trying to help people win in general; you're trying to trying to make other people lose.
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 06:21:11 pm
Tiruin: Why do you want me and MOWE to lose?...?
How;re you related to TDS/Leafsnail?
I'd like to see a total claim from Ranger before I make any judgements along these lines. RangerCado never struck me as particularly scummy and was very candid about allegiance. but I suppose that your point about making Toaster lose is fair. Unvote.Making Toaster lose?
My wincon is to use the Sandwich or Grilled Sandwich item. If someone sends it to me, I'll happily use it and leave the game. I suspect MOWE is involved somehow, but I don't know how. I also rather suspect that items are involved in the wincons of many people. If we massclaim we can probably get many people to win.Why're you reactionary again that you don't question this note and what he just said?
Actually:
Tiruin: Why do you want me and MOWE to lose?Explain.
TDS
Why are you working so hard on defending RangerCado?? There is no point in "saving him for later"; you're just trying to delay getting rid of the guy with even more against him. If you weren't working with him, there would be no reason to defend him. You should always get rid of the people who you know are bad for certain, rather than leave them alive and able to take whatever nightactions they want while you're busy finding someone else.First:
Also, I'd like to know how you've "proven" that I am a summoner. If you really want to know, just have mastahcheese check me.
As for why the summoners didn't claim, how would I know? Maybe Ranger claimed when he saw other people claiming and then he realized that it was a bad idea. Also, you're asking a question that has no good answer - if I say I don't know, then you say "He's obviously lying. SCUM!!!!!" If I take a guess, you say "He would only know if he was a summoner. SCUM!!!!!". You're not just asking me questions to find things out; you're actively making me look bad.
Also, there's Toaster's question, which also makes you seem scummy. You're not trying to help people win in general; you're trying to trying to make other people lose.
> "There is no point in "saving him for later"; you're just trying to delay getting rid of the guy with even more against him."
Even more against him? What do you mean by that? 'No point'? Prove to me how that makes sense? 'Just trying'? That subtle summary of ALL I've did is an insult and will not be taken lightly, because you 'just' have to put those words together to mean something.
Also, you've contributed almost nothing else but 'HE'S THE METEOR SUMMONER LYNCH HIM NOW'. If there's any evidence you have of getting Cado to do something special, then speak.
Look back and check. Link to me and prove it, perhaps then you'd find why I'm also going after him. (PS: If your note of 'MAKE EVERYONE ELSE LOSE' has any ground, this is connected with someone's note on getting Evil people to lose)
> "Why are you working so hard on defending RangerCado??" ::) I wonder if you ever read my multiple instances of GET THE EVIL PEOPLE LYNCHED TO TEST THE THEORY THAT ALL EVIL = METEOR SUMMONER.
Because I fail--I totally do not understand, in all damned bastardry, how MY RELATION WITH WANTING A DAMN BEARD equals a Wincondition. The only chances of getting such, is by massclaiming my idea, then blah blah getting said item. Not to mention things in between considering how I'd be getting that idea? Damn you Webadict and thanks Nerjin.
Now can you begin to use better words than 'defending' to get something of value into the field of logic, TDS?
Tell me, if you want everyone else to win, why do you vote Tiruin instead and not let/request Cado to speak? I've seen nothing from you that cares about him at this time but reactionary flailing.
> "Also, there's Toaster's question, which also makes you seem scummy. You're not trying to help people win in general; you're trying to trying to make other people lose."
Think of this. Scummy how? That i want YOU/Leafsnail lynched? Then why not question my motive--my damn intent that has been going for a week or so IRL to make any sense of that. Your last statement here is a strawman. Not trying to help people win in general is an appeal to emotion and you push it forward by saying I'm trying to make other people lose. It has no backing. Nothing.
Awww, squirm more.
Explain to me why NQT would have such a note on him then.
Explain to me how "As for why the summoners didn't claim, how would I know? Maybe Ranger claimed when he saw other people claiming and then he realized that it was a bad idea." this is a 'bad idea'.
Because you want Cado to speak? He has spoken far more than you ever have. He said he wanted love. Does anyone have such an item or whatever related to it?
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Also, I'd like to know how you've "proven" that I am a summoner. If you really want to know, just have mastahcheese check me.Hence why I'm lynching you--I've proven Leafsnail out as a liar, and I wish to see if Team Evil has something between their ears about the matter by getting the last man standing.
Next: Mr. Cheese foolproofed Cado. He confirmed everything he said and the glory of that lies in his ability. His ability makes sense and considering the game and him being Not Evil? It would be a travesty to give other players that kind of unfairness in abilities.
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If you weren't working with him, there would be no reason to defend him. You should always get rid of the people who you know are bad for certain, rather than leave them alive and able to take whatever nightactions they want while you're busy finding someone else.Newsflash: I'm not you.
I'm not working with him, and you'll have a shock of 'omg Tiruin isn't working with him! :O' post-game if whatever you keep pushing and pushing and failing to push is actually sincere (considering the cyclic logic you've been spouting everytime you brought it up, almost making me waste my time link it all despite it being there considering your wording of why you're "defending" Cado) But it all doesn't make sense in regard to your proposed motive of 'getting everyone else to win'.
All I need is something that gives me a beard. That's all. Nobody is speaking and we've had...what.
Guess wot! We've got 5 non-talkers, and I sincerely doubt that they've gotten those items we all need given that whoever claims what we do need, is lacking. I have Toaster's claimed book, and it only pushes forward my idea here based on my background.
Eight compared to Five people.
How many have claimed their item-wincons?
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TheDarkStar - Diplomancer (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5068696#msg5068696); Probably wants pie (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5069100#msg5069100); Didn't start with an item
Toaster - Robot; Use sandwich/grilled item (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066931#msg5066931)
mastahcheese - Witchhunter (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066969#msg5066969); "It's a bit complicated, in that I wasn't given as straight an answer as Toaster." Probably needs my book(?) yet said book deals with a magical context.; Didn't start with an item.
4maskwolf - ...Pyromancer (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066994#msg5066994); "Wishes to cast a big fire spell which will go off at the end of day 4". Started with Invisibility Cloak.
Caz - ...Uh?
MyOwnWorstEnemy - Living Sandwich (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5072997#msg5072997); Wants to be 'Eaten'
Tiruin - Not claiming until Leafsnail speaks; Something something wants to get a 'Beard'; Didn't start with an item.
notquitethere - Ded. Please tell if anything is related to this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4980903;topicseen#msg4980903)
RangerCado
Hapah
Leafsnail
HissihnWalnuts - Started with an item
makeinu - 'Not a Wizard'; Started with item
Added notes by Toaster (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4966502;topicseen#msg4966502)
Corrections:
> One does not just be 'happy' that the Meteor Exists (Cado was happy the meteor exists, Tiruin bold-action'd being happy about it, nope.)
> MOWE's note is...strange. Where was it useless?
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Known Items:Everyone: Who started with an item and how many did you start with if Yes? If one starts with more than 1 item, then it gives strength to this item-win theory running about. Also I've a magical-tag on my ability. Any notes on that?
Midas Crown - Double vote; also isn't related to King Midas at all, as in the mythology thing.
Invisibility Cloak
Mirror-thing... (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066931#msg5066931) - Grants redirect/Randomize Immunity
Sword-thing (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066969#msg5066969) - Allows watching of someone (and unless mistaken, this also allows them to be killed if doing a malevolent action - as what MOWE said)
Cursed Staff of Earth (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4961804;topicseen#msg4961804) - You can't vote while holding this.
@4mask: How did you get that ability by the end of N1?
mastahcheese: You handed over that sword to someone else? Does it say it should kill someone doing malevolent stuff?
Caz (because I realize my post is full of bold): Can you fullclaim? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5067746#msg5067746) Why give me ye book?
Toaster: In this post, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066931#msg5066931) do you prove that there is such an item as a Grilled Sandwich? You explicitly leave the game?
That was never told to me when I got my hint of 'getting a full beard is important'. Why in your massclaim post did you state the Mirror was a useless item?
TDS: What did you ask Nerjin? Next, why in this post do I sense a feeling of obvious bargaining and possibility being pushed forward (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5068696#msg5068696)? Can you please fullclaim? You're being confusing to me.
You'd be happy if you got pie, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5069100#msg5069100) then you say Then you guess Midas' Crown (unless there's another darn crown) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5069387#msg5069387) which are both guesses for your wincon (unless I'm wrong in checking that note on being happy = wincon).
Also could you actually argue on the point? You're branching off every which way.
Lastly: TDS: Explain why you can steal items. Background story it.
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I used my question to ask my wincon. If you didn't do that, you're probably scum (but I don't care.)I didn't do that, but hinted it as a boring aside, so I'm more than not probably scum! :O
Yeah, I didn't do that because it never occurred to me that 'oh hey I really want a bloody beard! I actually don't care about the bloody meteor! Omg!' but the beard thing? Total cop-out. Never expected that.
@Webadict: Your concept of letting players win by a vague wincon is a TOTAL BASTARD PLOY, if in such a case that our wincon totally depends on the ITEMS instead. You think we'll ENJOY this kind of carp which you say in the OP? Hell no. That carp will just eat us alive, and is AGAINST the spirit of Mafia unless everyone comes clean. Any clues as to how I got that?
It would be impossible for me to check 'oh hey I need a beard and that's my wincon!' IN THE ENTIRETY OF FOREVER. Your wording, even, makes it less of note. This rule? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066951#msg5066951) Not bloody fun. More bloody jerkery. Not even 'semi' bastard.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 06:25:17 pm
Well, since you asked, it was triggered by my burning the item TDS gave to me. Something about my magic turned it into a fire torch thingy.
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 06:47:04 pm
@Tiruin:...You did whatnow?
Well, since you asked, it was triggered by my burning the item TDS gave to me. Something about my magic turned it into a fire torch thingy.
Err, so you burned the Cursed Staff of Earth and turned it into a fire torch.
Is that an item?
Can you keep it for consecutive days? What does it do?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 06:49:46 pm
I did a little more than whatnow@Tiruin:...You did whatnow?
Well, since you asked, it was triggered by my burning the item TDS gave to me. Something about my magic turned it into a fire torch thingy.
Err, so you burned the Cursed Staff of Earth and turned it into a fire torch.
Is that an item?
Can you keep it for consecutive days? What does it do?
I burned the staff, yes. It turned into a torch, yes
Kind of.
Yes. And no, TDS, you can't steal it, it bonded to me.
I have no idea, other than bonding with me.
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 07:25:05 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 07:37:01 pm
4mask: Could I get an answer to this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5074727#msg5074727) then? Second-ish paragraph of my big post. Thanks.What, exactly, do you want me to look at? The post below the linked one? Could you paraphrase what you said?
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 07:40:03 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2014, 07:42:43 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 09, 2014, 07:52:17 pm
mastahcheese: You handed over that sword to someone else? Does it say it should kill someone doing malevolent stuff?I didn't hand it away, I forgot I had it, so it was given to a random person, as far as I know.
And yes, it will kill someone, if you selectively watch that person with the sword. I couldn't use both the sword and my inspect, so I forgot I even had the thing.
Also, I'm unvoting just for right now, until I can think over things some more.
Post by: Caz on March 09, 2014, 07:54:30 pm
Tiruin: Why do you want me and MOWE to lose?
Leafsnail, to avoid a TDS lynch.
Why? He also claimed evil.
Post by: Caz on March 09, 2014, 07:56:50 pm
Caz (because I realize my post is full of bold): Can you fullclaim? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5067746#msg5067746) Why give me ye book?
You asked for it, iirc. Though at some point I regretted that since I thought you're a mage with world-sploding powers. I'm a joker with a town-aligned win-con, i.e. "if town wins, so doth you must". Kinda more boring than I expected, but wutevs.
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 07:59:54 pm
Okay. IIRC, it is TDS who is the one who can learn the spell to turn MOWE back into a sandwich, which is the only way they win. I don't want to remove that possibility from them. And I started with an item, I already claimed it.Oh! So that's what you're talking about
...You did say he said 'might', right? As in, ohheythisisapossibility.
>_>
PS: He's lying. The book does NOT state such acts. It gives a generality that if Evil wizards get a hold of it (yes, Evil) then it means bad things. Literally, bad things.
So if we lynch TDS and he's NOT a Summoner, then I'm giving it to Leafsnail due to generality. Sound good?
I believe Reactionary-Toaster (ahaha nice joke, me preventing you and MOWE from winning? AHAHAAHAHAAAHAAA) can confirm what I'm saying? [Was it him that had the book?]
Unless he'd like to impute on this matter.
PPE: VOTE TDS
So...about you, your claim, and yourself...Tiruin: Why do you want me and MOWE to lose?
Leafsnail, to avoid a TDS lynch.
Why? He also claimed evil.
...uh huh. No, I'm a guy who wants a beard to 'look cool' (I mean how lame is that concept. While I do like the aesthetics of beards, its just...ugh. Brings back stupid memories of how I saw people in HS...which is true, sadly.)Caz (because I realize my post is full of bold): Can you fullclaim? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5067746#msg5067746) Why give me ye book?
You asked for it, iirc. Though at some point I regretted that since I thought you're a mage with world-sploding powers. I'm a joker with a town-aligned win-con, i.e. "if town wins, so doth you must". Kinda more boring than I expected, but wutevs.
Right, that reminds me, it states that the wielder can choose to read the book
Edit: Wait, YOU had the book? Then you can confirm what I'm saying!
Also, did you have a starting item? What is your hinted wincon? Was that wincon hinted?
Do you like me?
Post by: Caz on March 09, 2014, 09:24:13 pm
Edit: Wait, YOU had the book? Then you can confirm what I'm saying!
Also, did you have a starting item? What is your hinted wincon? Was that wincon hinted?
Do you like me?
Yeah, I had it, and used it. The "super dark and awesome magic ability" that it gave me was one I already had - the ability to hold two items at once (super wow). I think the item I started with was the portable black hole, which I have again (completely useless btw, tried to use it before, and nothing)
My wincon as is stated - I win when town wins. Nothing interesting there.
And yeah, I like ya. If you mean in gameplay-wise, there's nothing stated in the flavour.
Post by: Tiruin on March 09, 2014, 09:40:06 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 09, 2014, 11:09:53 pm
My wincon:
My wincon is to use the Sandwich or Grilled Sandwich item. If someone sends it to me, I'll happily use it and leave the game. I suspect MOWE is involved somehow, but I
TDS later says:
As for the sandwich thing: If I get that book, I might learn the spell "turn to sandwich" that I can then use on MOWE. This would at least let MOWE and possibly Toaster win (yeah, funny, "Toaster" getting a sandwich).
Then everyone starts voting him.
Looking back, this does seem rather less certain than I remember it, so let's clarify:
TheDarkStar: What do you mean, MIGHT learn the spell?
Tiruin again:
Toaster: In this post, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066931#msg5066931) do you prove that there is such an item as a Grilled Sandwich? You explicitly leave the game?
That was never told to me when I got my hint of 'getting a full beard is important'. Why in your massclaim post did you state the Mirror was a useless item?
Do I prove it? No. But that's what Nerjin told me my wincon was, and he said he'd answer truthfully, so it must either exist or be creatable. Perhaps if 4maskwolf tries to burn the Sandwich, it'll just be grilled?
I meant it was useless to me at the time, because I didn't have a valid action to take.
Caz:
Tiruin: Why do you want me and MOWE to lose?
Leafsnail, to avoid a TDS lynch.
Why? He also claimed evil.
Pay attention.
Skimmed a bit because I'm low on time.
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 01:43:43 am
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Do I prove it? No. But that's what Nerjin told me my wincon was, and he said he'd answer truthfully, so it must either exist or be creatable. Perhaps if 4maskwolf tries to burn the Sandwich, it'll just be grilled?Thank you. :)
I meant it was useless to me at the time, because I didn't have a valid action to take.
...
...
I hath read the book of secrets that Caz has bestowed onto me.
AND LO, I HAVE A BEARD!
...
This is the strangest game, however. Remember that time I said my ability was 'leveled'? Yeah, it's a Level 2 ability now.
And I..
...
I feel like I can have a better beard. I only wish to have more "experience" (given my context, I believe that pertains to..yeah I'm the Nerd. Woohoo.)
It boosts the ability, to speak its utility.
Meaning: Anyone else have a book?
Caz: I implore you detail your own account on this matter. Did you start with this book? What, in your own words, can you say about it and its effect onto you?
Toaster: Can you detail your point better, please? As in, what basic stuff am I missing?
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 01:53:21 am
PS: I got a hint that..that the meteor is much like Sozin's Comet (http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Sozin's_Comet) (c'mon, someone get the reference before clicking the offsite link...). Meaning Mage+ role origin boost(?)
I got my power boosted (as a silly flavor aside) though thanks Nerjin for that.
Also my beard is brown.
AHAHA I HAVE A BEARD!
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 01:55:06 am
I'm a joker with a town-aligned win-con, i.e. "if town wins, so doth you must". Kinda more boring than I expected, but wutevs....Why didn't you speak up when we were lynching NQT?
Also, do you have any note of [~Magic~] in your role?
Post by: Toaster on March 10, 2014, 07:55:34 am
Tiruin: You're missing the point that TDS has claimed to be able to help me fill my wincon. Without any counterclaiming, I am forced to believe him. Therefore, he's required for me to win. If he's lynched, MOWE and I lose.
Do you still think this is a town vs scum game?
I wonder if you ever read my multiple instances of GET THE EVIL PEOPLE LYNCHED TO TEST THE THEORY THAT ALL EVIL = METEOR SUMMONER.
I don't think anyone ever said that. D2 I thought it could be possible that one of the two groupings (evil/meteor summoner) might be the scum team, and that lynching a member of both would probably give an indication in flavor.
As far as magical abilities, it's probably relevant to certain abilities (like my magical-ability immunity.)
I also realize I forgot to answer this: I don't explicitly know if I leave the game if I win, but that's standard rules. I'll clarify.
Nerjin: If a third-party player fills their wincon, do they leave the game?
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 10:43:32 am
Tiruin: You're missing the point that TDS has claimed to be able to help me fill my wincon. Without any counterclaiming, I am forced to believe him. Therefore, he's required for me to win. If he's lynched, MOWE and I lose....He said 'might'. Next: The book says 'Evil', explicitly. So we have a fall-back option in the name of RangerCado/Leafsnail. Granted, both are summoners. So blugh.
Do you still think this is a town vs scum game?
Next: How are you so sure that it requires TDS, explicitly, to 'fulfill' that wincon?
I got mein beard and I didn't win. I got the only thing that would've clue'd me to WINNING, and I'm still here.
So YEAH I believe this is a town vs scum game! Given your wording of 'still think this' with the "still" emphasized, what do--and did--you think about it? Because I'm done flailing under this mystique team Evil keeps on pushing.
Besides, whatever happens post-meteor or whatever, MOWE wants to be eaten. You've agreed and she's agreed that she wants to be eaten, so just let someone cast fireball on her sometime then eat her.
Or dispell illusion. Or whatever thing that an item can do that targets her. Or probably get someone with a FIRE related ability (not 4mask? He seems to burn stuff rather than cook stuff.) to get these...
...
experience tomes? Looks like it.
Because by my inference, it 'boosts' whatever ability you have instead of giving stuff you think is related to you or your flavor or your power.
...I wonder if you ever read my multiple instances of GET THE EVIL PEOPLE LYNCHED TO TEST THE THEORY THAT ALL EVIL = METEOR SUMMONER.
I don't think anyone ever said that. D2 I thought it could be possible that one of the two groupings (evil/meteor summoner) might be the scum team, and that lynching a member of both would probably give an indication in flavor.
As far as magical abilities, it's probably relevant to certain abilities (like my magical-ability immunity.)
I also realize I forgot to answer this: I don't explicitly know if I leave the game if I win, but that's standard rules. I'll clarify.
I have been saying this! It seems to follow that you haven't been reading up yourself in the later stages of D1 or you'd quite not miss that fact. That fact from me. That fact from the person with nothing as a clue on her wincon so she had to default to the best principle to follow instead. Something never challenged directly but always diverted with a 'HOW ARE YOU SO SURE EVIL IS SCUM' idea. One never directly answered.
So you KNOW you're third-party? (Figures, that's how you've been behaving, IMO.)
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As far as magical abilities, it's probably relevant to certain abilities (like my magical-ability immunity.)Interesting...
Post by: Nerjin on March 10, 2014, 11:08:26 am
Nerjin: If a third-party player fills their wincon, do they leave the game?
Certain players will leave the game when they fulfill certain wincons.
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 11:12:53 am
*re-reads post*
*flails*
So I guess I need a wickedly awesome beard and skilled in magic then, thank you adjectives. Or stripped of powers.
Post by: Nerjin on March 10, 2014, 11:51:06 am
Regardless it would appear that the end of the world was finally starting to take its toll on the students. Several of them had been quiet for days. Like literal real life days. It was sorta annoying. Sure they didn’t sign up to be hit with a meteor, have their teacher bail on them, survive attempted poisonings, and then be totally confused but it was the principle of the matter.
Speaking of:
“Dr. Nerjin,” Came Mr. Nerjin’s voice on the intercom “Could you please come to the office for a few moments?”
“No. I think I’ll stay here. They’re about to choose a wine.”
“You are aware that this is an intercom right? I can’t hear you.”
“Then how did you know what I said?”
“…”
DAY 3 START
Vote Count
(Extend Used) (Time since last post) Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
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(16h) 4maskwolf -
(15h) Caz -
(??d) TheWetSheep -
(??d)HissihnWalnuts -
(Ext.) (16d 11h)Leafsnail – MyOwnWorstEnemy, Toaster, [2 – Tie for lynch target]
(18d 18h) makeinu -
(16h) mastahcheese -
(24h) MyOwnWorstEnemy -
(Ext.) (21d 13h) RangerCado -
(20h) TheDarkStar – Caz, Tiruin, [2 – Tie for Lynch target]
(Ext.) (1h) Tiruin –
(4h) Toaster -
Not Voting – 4mask, TheWetSheep, Walnuts, Leafsnail, Makeinu, Mastahcheese, Cado,
Prods are being sent to every player who has a day or ?? in their time since last post.
Day 3 will end on March 11th, 2014 at 5PM [[Hopefully...]] [[29 Hours roughly]]
Post by: Toaster on March 10, 2014, 12:07:25 pm
Tiruin: You're missing the point that TDS has claimed to be able to help me fill my wincon. Without any counterclaiming, I am forced to believe him. Therefore, he's required for me to win. If he's lynched, MOWE and I lose....He said 'might'. Next: The book says 'Evil', explicitly. So we have a fall-back option in the name of RangerCado/Leafsnail. Granted, both are summoners. So blugh.
Do you still think this is a town vs scum game?
Next: How are you so sure that it requires TDS, explicitly, to 'fulfill' that wincon?
I got mein beard and I didn't win. I got the only thing that would've clue'd me to WINNING, and I'm still here.
Because he's the only person who has said anything sandwich related (besides MOWE, whose implications are obvious) and no one has counterclaimed him. Should counterclaiming happen, then things change.
So YEAH I believe this is a town vs scum game! Given your wording of 'still think this' with the "still" emphasized, what do--and did--you think about it? Because I'm done flailing under this mystique team Evil keeps on pushing.
D1 I was confused. D2 I did think it was standard. Now I don't.
So you KNOW you're third-party? (Figures, that's how you've been behaving, IMO.)
I did once I asked my question and saw my wincon. Prior to that, I assumed I was "town" or whatever passed for it. Now I'm not so sure a town exists. If it does, things are probably closer to the latest Toon Mafia with a boatload of third parties.
Post by: Nerjin on March 10, 2014, 12:16:00 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 10, 2014, 02:43:09 pm
Wait, when was Leafsnail confirmed summoner?Tiruin: You're missing the point that TDS has claimed to be able to help me fill my wincon. Without any counterclaiming, I am forced to believe him. Therefore, he's required for me to win. If he's lynched, MOWE and I lose....He said 'might'. Next: The book says 'Evil', explicitly. So we have a fall-back option in the name of RangerCado/Leafsnail. Granted, both are summoners. So blugh.
Do you still think this is a town vs scum game?
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 03:40:58 pm
Because he's the only person who has said anything sandwich related (besides MOWE, whose implications are obvious) and no one has counterclaimed him. Should counterclaiming happen, then things change.Come on Toaster.
He said a POSSIBILITY. He's Evil. And it explcitly said they should NOT receive this book!
No one has counterclaimed him because he's touting a possibility. Are you so blind as a third-party that you grasp at whatever is proffered to you?
::)So YEAH I believe this is a town vs scum game! Given your wording of 'still think this' with the "still" emphasized, what do--and did--you think about it? Because I'm done flailing under this mystique team Evil keeps on pushing.
D1 I was confused. D2 I did think it was standard. Now I don't.
You are a master at fluffing something up without saying anything.
I need details, not repetition.
Meaning what?So you KNOW you're third-party? (Figures, that's how you've been behaving, IMO.)
I did once I asked my question and saw my wincon. Prior to that, I assumed I was "town" or whatever passed for it. Now I'm not so sure a town exists. If it does, things are probably closer to the latest Toon Mafia with a boatload of third parties.
I can't infer what you've to say when you say 'stuff is like [Mafia game x]' because it gives a TON of implications.
Could you answer me this, again, and be less evasive?
Toaster: Can you detail your point better, please? As in, what basic stuff am I missing?[/b]
...Look back please.Wait, when was Leafsnail confirmed summoner?Tiruin: You're missing the point that TDS has claimed to be able to help me fill my wincon. Without any counterclaiming, I am forced to believe him. Therefore, he's required for me to win. If he's lynched, MOWE and I lose....He said 'might'. Next: The book says 'Evil', explicitly. So we have a fall-back option in the name of RangerCado/Leafsnail. Granted, both are summoners. So blugh.
Do you still think this is a town vs scum game?
Post by: Toaster on March 10, 2014, 04:07:54 pm
And since you're missing this point as well, I do not care who is evil and who is not.
Meaning what?So you KNOW you're third-party? (Figures, that's how you've been behaving, IMO.)
I did once I asked my question and saw my wincon. Prior to that, I assumed I was "town" or whatever passed for it. Now I'm not so sure a town exists. If it does, things are probably closer to the latest Toon Mafia with a boatload of third parties.
I can't infer what you've to say when you say 'stuff is like [Mafia game x]' because it gives a TON of implications.
Could you answer me this, again, and be less evasive?
Uh... how can I detail this any more? I know my wincon. It is nothing like a standard town wincon. Therefore, I am forced to conclude that I am third party. Sometimes, there just isn't any more detail! This isn't being evasive- this is being complete.
Let A be "town wincon"
Let B be "scum wincon"
Let C be "third party wincon"
Let D be "Toaster's wincon"
D = A || B || C
D != A
D != B
Therefore, D = C.
As far as what I thought of the game, I thought I had made that clear in the past. I don't have time for tons of details right now, but basically I found Leaf's D1 argument convincing enough to throw me off track. From NQT's flip I decided that it's probably all shenanigans and there's a real game hiding here. From the revaluation of my wincon, I decided the game is a third party mismash.
If you want details, you can wait a bit.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 10, 2014, 04:09:49 pm
Was there some other point?
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 04:29:03 pm
Tiruin: I know what he said. And I'll say it again- unless anyone else comes forth with sandwich details, yes I'm going to take what he says at face value. Do you have any other sandwich options for me? No? Then I don't care.::)
And since you're missing this point as well, I do not care who is evil and who is not.
He did that AS A POSSIBILITY.
As what me and Caz have done-we PROVED that it doesn't give such random features like that! Guess what: I'VE GOT A BEARD.
If such wincons like so are to be taken at that value, then I must have multiple items to 'win' and in that case, it spells nonsensical to see that kind of complexity in this game.
Do you think less about yourself as a third-party? No? Why don't you care.
And since you're missing my point as well, you're being a liability to us all if you continue being like that.
Uh... how can I detail this any more? I know my wincon. It is nothing like a standard town wincon. Therefore, I am forced to conclude that I am third party. Sometimes, there just isn't any more detail! This isn't being evasive- this is being complete.So you explicitly need to eat a grilled sandwich...why?
I had my note that the beard was important. Look what it gave.
I'm still playing.
As far as what I thought of the game, I thought I had made that clear in the past. I don't have time for tons of details right now, but basically I found Leaf's D1 argument convincing enough to throw me off track. From NQT's flip I decided that it's probably all shenanigans and there's a real game hiding here. From the revaluation of my wincon, I decided the game is a third party mismash.Then I shall wait. But take this to ponder on: Why do you have a direct wincon, and the others don't?
If you want details, you can wait a bit.
I read back to where you claimed that you are actually an investigative type, and said that Leafsnail was lying, but you only said he was evil, not a summoner as well....I meant both, because he was already evil beforehand.
Was there some other point?
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 05:28:33 pm
What does that portable black hole do, Caz?
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 10, 2014, 07:53:02 pm
A summary of what's happened in the game would be useful, or even better, a compilation of claims. I've followed the game for the most part, but it's pretty convoluted and I don't want to trawl through 80 pages. Thanks.
I am a Crafter. I'm female. My only special ability is that I can carry two items at once. I have no items. Very boring.
Last night I asked Nerjin if the meteor could be stopped. He said that it could, in a variety of ways.
Caz:
You know your wincon? Did you know it from the beginning, or ask Nerjin?Caz (because I realize my post is full of bold): Can you fullclaim? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5067746#msg5067746) Why give me ye book?
You asked for it, iirc. Though at some point I regretted that since I thought you're a mage with world-sploding powers. I'm a joker with a town-aligned win-con, i.e. "if town wins, so doth you must". Kinda more boring than I expected, but wutevs.
Tiruin and Toaster: This wincon stuff- did you think that growing a beard was your wincon, Tiruin? Do you know for certain that getting your sandwich will make you win, Toaster? They seem similar, but I'm not quite sure what people know and what people are speculating on.
Nerjin: I look at Tiruin. Can I see a beard?
Everyone: Who knows their wincon and what is it?
I apologize if these questions have been asked before.
Post by: Nerjin on March 10, 2014, 08:09:34 pm
Nerjin: I look at Tiruin. Can I see a beard?
It would be hard to miss it. It's the classic Lumberjack.
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 10:27:35 pm
Tiruin and Toaster: This wincon stuff- did you think that growing a beard was your wincon, Tiruin? Do you know for certain that getting your sandwich will make you win, Toaster? They seem similar, but I'm not quite sure what people know and what people are speculating on.*strokes manly beard*
Well, that was the best assumption I have of a deviating wincon. The next best assumption I have is to read moar books which can grant knowledge, or probably go to the salon or anything related to that.
But the best thing I believe is getting the Meteor Summoners out, and in that case-I doubt there's a time limit to that (I mean seriously.)
Nerjin: I look out the window to check on the status of the Meteor, what do I see?
A summary of what's happened in the game would be useful, or even better, a compilation of claims. I've followed the game for the most part, but it's pretty convoluted and I don't want to trawl through 80 pages. Thanks.Check this, sister. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5075117#msg5075117)
I'll get an updated one soon. Also, is your ability passive? Do you have any active abilities?
Last night I asked Nerjin if the meteor could be stopped. He said that it could, in a variety of ways.But never said in exacts, right?
Post by: Toaster on March 10, 2014, 10:32:24 pm
Turns out Nerjin just informed me that my wincon is actually an EXTRA wincon, and I am in fact, still town. I just may or may not leave the game if I can eat some warm num nums.
So now I'm back to thinking it is town versus scum, with a twist. I'll have to take another shot at reviewing things, but for now it's back to RangerCado.
Tiruin: In light of this revelation, please tell me what you think the nature of the scum team is, since you clearly think there is one.
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 10:43:13 pm
So uh.Evil. People.
Turns out Nerjin just informed me that my wincon is actually an EXTRA wincon, and I am in fact, still town. I just may or may not leave the game if I can eat some warm num nums.
So now I'm back to thinking it is town versus scum, with a twist. I'll have to take another shot at reviewing things, but for now it's back to RangerCado.
Tiruin: In light of this revelation, please tell me what you think the nature of the scum team is, since you clearly think there is one.
This book. This nice, beard-endowing book, specifically advances my suspicions that Team Evil is...actually, our antagonist team. Given their attitude as of late, I am under great suspicion that they had hoped the veil of being lost in this kind of ideology would continue, explaining most ideas given in D1 which were in the field of speculation.
Checked up Leafsnail, checked out Summoner-ish, in the hints.
So now I'm back to thinking it is town versus scum, with a twist. I'll have to take another shot at reviewing things, but for now it's back to RangerCado....So let's return to that age-old question. Why Cado over TDS/Leafsnail?
Post by: Nerjin on March 10, 2014, 10:43:13 pm
Nerjin: I look out the window to check on the status of the Meteor, what do I see?
The gentle breeze causes the emerald green grass to sway in symphony with the waves of the lake. Young couples speak in whispers to each other, trading illicit secrets with ruby blushes upon their cheeks. Lush green trees stand every vigilant as they bend to and fro in order to appease the breeze's wishes. The indigo sky greets the sun as cheerfully as the sun greets the cotton-like clouds. For all intents and purposes today is the perfect spring day. Bees and birds frolic to their duty as a cat idly watches a far-off dog. You know that if the window was open the fragrant smell of roses would permeate the room. The large meteor fades from your thoughts even as you look at it. It is far away, though visible, but even its tail seems enticing. Its magical component is obvious as you see the trail is a dazzling rainbow. You feel as if you could gaze at the scene for days on end. It is with great difficulty that you turn your attention back to the room.
Post by: Toaster on March 10, 2014, 11:03:59 pm
So now I'm back to thinking it is town versus scum, with a twist. I'll have to take another shot at reviewing things, but for now it's back to RangerCado....So let's return to that age-old question. Why Cado over TDS/Leafsnail?
Because I don't trust you one damned bit.
You say you want to lynch evil people.
Ranger has claimed- and Mastahcheese has supported this- that he is evil.
But you do not want to lynch Ranger!
So I turn the question right back around at you- why Leaf/TDS over Ranger?
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 11:09:18 pm
You have very superficial perception if the cyclic logic I keep on trying to break to you is repeated over and over ad nauseam
I DO want to lynch Ranger, but I am keeping him as an emergency lynch if in case BADSTUFF happens! I am trying to break the Evil=Scum or prove that Evil=Scum by pushing ONTHEOTHERTWOEVILPEOPLE.
When can you change your questioning?! Will it take YEARS for you to pay attention to that which I repeat AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN?!
And if not, why don't you EVER back up any sort of assertiveness on ME doing anything towards CADO?1 I've stated more than THRICE on why I want him lynched LATER.
C'mon Toaster! Surely you can't even be this daft. Unless you've something else to push, then FORWARD IT. Because I've seen no contribution on your side, falling in with TDS/Leafsnail. The only accusation you tend to level at me is 'Y U DEFEND CADO'?!
Which I've answered, if you're going to ask that damn question again.
It's. All. Back. There.
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 11:09:58 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 11:16:07 pm
When did Tiruin ever say that she did not explicitly want Cado lynched? Did she not give an alternative? Can you link the note?
Post by: Tiruin on March 10, 2014, 11:17:06 pm
You say you want to lynch evil people.See the orange part?
Ranger has claimed- and Mastahcheese has supported this- that he is evil.
But you do not want to lynch Ranger!
So I turn the question right back around at you- why Leaf/TDS over Ranger?
I want to see how this follows--more than a quotemine of my whole idea.
Come on Toaster.
Back it up.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 10, 2014, 11:20:15 pm
Everyone: Who knows their wincon and what is it?Mine "has something to do with scum".
Your guess is as good as mine.
Nerjin: I go over and open the window.
Also, votecount, I need to see where everything is.
Also also, Tiruin, has anyone ever told you that you're rather frightening when you're mad?
Post by: Nerjin on March 10, 2014, 11:24:00 pm
The beautiful smell of spring quickly fills the room filling the students with joy and elation while Dr. Nerjin seems physically sickened by the comfort it brings.
But alas, he was forbidden by his own personal code to never touch windows. It was a long story involving the pope, an octopus, and a milk truck back in the day. Suffice to say the window would stay open for quite some time unless a student did something with it.
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
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4maskwolf -
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Ext.)Leafsnail – MyOwnWorstEnemy, [1]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
(Ext.) RangerCado -Toaster [1]
TheDarkStar – Caz, Tiruin, [2 – Lynch Target]
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Toaster -
Not Voting – 4mask, TheWetSheep, Walnuts, Leafsnail, Makeinu, Mastahcheese, Cado,
Day Extended very briefly [+5 Hours] due to Work
Day Will End Tuesday March 12th, at 10PM
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 10, 2014, 11:25:07 pm
The bolded part. Also, I'm going to going to say that since Toaster does not need the sandwich to win, TDS FOR !!SCIENCE!!Everyone: Who knows their wincon and what is it?Mine "has something to do with scum".
Your guess is as good as mine.
Nerjin: I go over and open the window.
Also, votecount, I need to see where everything is.
Also also, Tiruin, has anyone ever told you that you're rather frightening when you're mad?
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 01:38:41 am
Not until now.Everyone: Who knows their wincon and what is it?Mine "has something to do with scum".
Your guess is as good as mine.
Nerjin: I go over and open the window.
Also, votecount, I need to see where everything is.
Also also, Tiruin, has anyone ever told you that you're rather frightening when you're mad?
Now is that good frightening or something else frightening?
The bolded part. Also, I'm going to going to say that since Toaster does not need the sandwich to win, TDS FOR !!SCIENCE!!Tonight will be an interesting night, I believe. (Meaning: Hey, tomorrow is D4! How's that fire spell prep'ing up?)
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 11, 2014, 01:51:39 am
The answer to the question to me is: I dunno.
I just realized that since I'm a fire wizard, me using the !!(thing)!! Is actually valid... Huh...
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 02:00:16 am
Tiruin: the answer to your question directed to MastahCheese is:yes.So...you using this is a targetable thing? As in, you can pick someone to get roasted?
The answer to the question to me is: I dunno.
I just realized that since I'm a fire wizard, me using the !!(thing)!! Is actually valid... Huh...
Also, yes? xD
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 11, 2014, 02:03:04 am
I don't think I actually hurt people. I have a curse on me to prevent that.Tiruin: the answer to your question directed to MastahCheese is:yes.So...you using this is a targetable thing? As in, you can pick someone to get roasted?
The answer to the question to me is: I dunno.
I just realized that since I'm a fire wizard, me using the !!(thing)!! Is actually valid... Huh...
Also, yes? xD
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 02:08:14 am
...Well MOWE looks like a people. Try it on her (sandwichman).
Post by: Toaster on March 11, 2014, 07:22:54 am
When did Tiruin ever say that she did not explicitly want Cado lynched? Did she not give an alternative? Can you link the note?
Right here.
PS: I did not know the double vote needs to both be in one post. Leafsnail; Leafsnail
There was a tie! No one was lynched!
(Extend Used) Leafsnail - MyOwnWorstEnemy, Tiriun, 4maskwolf [4 - Tie]
(Extend Used) RangerCado - Caz, Makeinu, TheDarkStar, Toaster, [4 - Tie]
YOU tied the vote. YOU prevented the Ranger lynch. This is all, entirely, 100% on YOU. Don't give me the gigantic lie that you don't want Ranger lynch when you SINGLEHANDEDLY stopped it right there.
You're full of shit, and I'm done with you.
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 07:54:05 am
Right here.OH!
So the grandiose Toaster pulls the old blame it on Tiruin card despite her backing evidence for, oh, the whole game, maybe.
Mmm, mayhap we think about the consequences--who was online at the time being. Oh wait! Tiruin prevented it! Therefore it is perfectly logical t-
YOU tied the vote. YOU prevented the Ranger lynch. This is all, entirely, 100% on YOU. Don't give me the gigantic lie that you don't want Ranger lynch when you SINGLEHANDEDLY stopped it right there.-[strikenout]-
???
:-\
:'(
...
Never have I seen such extraordinary play that you default on throwing accusations with such audacity. Such impunity.
Such tactless discourse of logic. I mean, if there was diverging viewpoints, we could agree on that, right?
I expected more from you, Toaster--if TDS does for some reason not flip Summoner, you're up next.
I expected to be speaking with an equal, someone I admire due to his wit and his gallantry.
What have you become?
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 08:10:52 am
For all respect I've had for you, if you aren't scum Toaster, I have no comment for your suddent, illogical and inethical retreat.
For one who can say such words with such aggression--for one who has trawled back and read through the trove of information...
You come so short that I say you are ignorant in your disposition.
Have you not answered any and all context behind my words? Do you not see the context and the lead-up towards that vote? Did you not even analyze everything beforehand? These are the exact words you told me as a mentor years ago when I started playing--things I put to heart, mind and soul regarding the vague and technical nature of the word 'scumhunting'. Something which I am curious, confused, even baffled to see you fail to achieve in this game.
If you are town, then what lengths are you trying to achieve by cutting communication? Who else will follow what your point of view is if you can't clarify it in its entirety? I'd say what you're doing there is pulling something completely out of context, but I can't digress since you've cut your end.
Goodness. This reminds me of ScumToaster back in LNCP's game. Toxic. Short-to-the-point, and rather obtuse. Relying on recent knowledge and 'stuff as is' to persuade others rather than thinking. Thinking like an investigator. Like a true townie.
If you're a third-party, you reseal your own principle that you've held against third-parties. I play by principle, and I'm glad at least to know a bit more about how you'd play as one. By principle. Your principle.
For everything I expected towards you, Toaster, and more, it has fallen short. I expected something with depth. Something my mind can think about. Something pointed.
I guess I received the pointed part.
On what troubles you there, I wish to help--yet most of me wishes to never know, anymore.
End the day, Nerjin, shorten. End., while I cry. End it now while I can still speak coherently.
I would not like anyone to hear me when I am sad.
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 08:40:00 am
It'd be very clear considering your disposition.
Or ignorance. That works too. So go ahead, hit me.
Nobody else seems to be speaking alongside me.
Hit me.
Come on. You can easily dissuade every ounce of logic I put forth. You don't add to it--you didn't add to it ever since we've talked about Ranger. I stated my response according to why I prefer the other two Evils other than Cado multiple times.
You have only redirected the purpose of 'hey hey's evil and a summoner so if we lynch him we'll do stuff'. You did not expound upon that thinking when asked.
You did notice my holistic nature regarding Cado and the rest. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5024278#msg5024278)
You've explained yourself well here. Well and good. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5026436#msg5026436)
But you haven't taken deeply my insight on the matter and talked with me on it.
On that note, you have answered my question on why you're believing something special out of Cado's lynch, you stated it here
Now I wonder what special something you can glean from a lynch other than flavor. Could you tell--since not me--everyone else what you think?Yeah, we're lynching a summoner--then what?QuoteAND what happens when a claimed meteor summoner is lynched....You don't expect they'll..y'know, 'get lynched'? As in, not be able to 'go to class'? Because that's what I expect. Pull what happened to NQT to what'll happen to the lynch today.
Then we go off his flip.
And they're out of the game- lynched, expelled, kicked out of class; it's all fluff for the same effect.
But tell me again that this is a game, and this is a game where you call others sacks of shit just because their ideologies don't match yours. Tell me this is a game wherein you can't bother to respect another's opinion. Tell me then, why you can't fully talk with me like any person can.
Am I too much of a shit that you can speak so condescendingly to me? Let me bring something recent up: I mean this note made sense. Panic, I understand, is some note on scumhunting to act upon, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5022518#msg5022518) yet it was wronged in its foundation. Despite all I said trying to dissuade you on that-you seemingly didn't bother to look back at the context. Again. I gave my answer, this time with a link, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5035589#msg5035589) didn't I? You didn't proceed on that tangent anymore. You didn't give any note of it despite it being seemingly incriminating at that point in time. So what am I, then?
Reminds me how that even matters inside this game.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 11, 2014, 08:47:26 am
Now. Either play civilly or not at all. That goes for both of you, I don't want to see any counters from Tiruin, either.
Post by: Toaster on March 11, 2014, 08:48:51 am
I apologize for saying you are full of shit. Please strike that part of my post for the record.
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 08:51:57 am
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 11, 2014, 11:02:48 am
I doubt that lynching a claimed evil person is going to give us the information we're hoping for. If they were a conventional scumteam, why would all three evil players claim if lynching one of them told us we needed to lynch the others?
That said, we might as well lynch one anyway if we have no better leads.
Makeinu:
1. Do you know what happens to your lover if you fulfill this?Au contraire. I'm pretty certain I know my wincon, and reasonably sure how to achieve it after lat night. Actually doing so is another matter entirely, however.
Tell meeeeee? <333
Paraphrasing, naturally. I must find my true love before the meteor hits. I have a love spell that can either be interrupted or works only on said true love, who must be female. I used it last night, but was interrupted by "a noise", and the spell failed. Notably, in the interest of full disclosure, I targeted RangerCado last night. I suspect the noise that spoiled my spell was mastahcheese's snooping, so I don't know exactly what that means with regards to my spell.
My role statement strongly implies, as well, that the meteor cannot be stopped. Take that for what it's worth, about 3cents, I'll warrant.
2. How does it imply that the meteor cannot be stopped? I know for certain that it can.
Toaster:
Turns out Nerjin just informed me that my wincon is actually an EXTRA wincon, and I am in fact, still town. I just may or may not leave the game if I can eat some warm num nums.You have a town wincon? Nobody else has claimed a town wincon. What exactly is it?
Also, I remember vaguely from reading through the game before I replaced in that there were a few posts of yours that made me really suspicious of you, but I can't find them now. Maybe it was a different game.
Post by: Silthuri on March 11, 2014, 11:12:53 am
My wincon is to use the Sandwich or Grilled Sandwich item. If someone sends it to me, I'll happily use it and leave the game. I suspect MOWE is involved somehow, but I don't know how. I also rather suspect that items are involved in the wincons of many people. If we massclaim we can probably get many people to win.Maybe when I become a sandwich, I become an item? If that's true, there must be two ways for me to become a sandwich.
On Massclaim:
There are a few things I realize I haven't said actually. I want to be a sandwich again. I assume this is my wincon and I haven't used my question for Nerjin yet. D1 I started with the sword that gave me the ability to watch someone at night and kill them if they took any aggressive actions. I gave it to mastahcheese N1 after watching Leafsnail, who did nothing. Or at least nothing I could see. I received no item after that and currently have no item.
Tiruin:
Everyone: Who started with an item and how many did you start with if Yes? If one starts with more than 1 item, then it gives strength to this item-win theory running about. Also I've a magical-tag on my ability. Any notes on that?I started with one single item.
Also... if it's possible can I have the book? I might be able to turn myself into a sandwich.
Wolf:
Uh... Sandwich might need to be sandwich to win...The bolded part. Also, I'm going to going to say that since Toaster does not need the sandwich to win, TDS FOR !!SCIENCE!!Everyone: Who knows their wincon and what is it?Mine "has something to do with scum".
Your guess is as good as mine.
Nerjin: I go over and open the window.
Also, votecount, I need to see where everything is.
Also also, Tiruin, has anyone ever told you that you're rather frightening when you're mad?
Post by: Toaster on March 11, 2014, 12:15:43 pm
Turns out Nerjin just informed me that my wincon is actually an EXTRA wincon, and I am in fact, still town. I just may or may not leave the game if I can eat some warm num nums.You have a town wincon? Nobody else has claimed a town wincon. What exactly is it?
I don't know, actually! Per the PM, I win with the town. No further details than that, so I can't help you there. I am, however, willing to bet that most of these alternate wincons are exactly like that- the player wins that way OR their more traditional wincon.
If I had to pick between evil or summoner being scum, my gut tells me it's summoners. This is, again, why I want to see Ranger hang. I expect the flavor of his lynch to be enlightening.
Post by: Nerjin on March 11, 2014, 02:06:22 pm
Also, if this starts to turn into a <quote> "Verbal slugging match"<endquote> I will mod-kill the offending players. I will give a warning however starting from this point on. Remember guys, we're all friends here right? We're playing this for fun. If you have a personal problem with another player feel free to PM them to discuss it out of game.
To make this a bit more tolerable a post here's a funny joke I heard today:
What do you call two hippopotami?
[beat]
A hippopatamus!
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 11, 2014, 04:01:24 pm
Right here.I expected more from you, Toaster--if TDS does for some reason not flip Summoner, you're up next.
This is odd. You're trying to get even more people lynched after I don't flip summoner (which I won't, and I suspect you know that). It simply seems scummy that anyone who points out flaws in your arguments is instantly scum.
However, I am moving my vote to RangerCado for reasons I mentioned on Day 1 (he's also scummy) and because voting for you will go nowhere.
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 06:20:52 pm
[...]after I don't flip summoner (which I won't, and I suspect you know that).Dude, stop insinuating there. It's gotten far past the boundary of logic and is now quite annoying.
Why, you ask?
This is odd. You're trying to get even more people lynched [...]Hey bud. You say this as if its a bad thing. As if there's something wrong with stating this kind of statement.
Justify this by giving another approach rather than mudsling. Why?
Guess what scumhunting is?
Given the context of what Toaster put down, he, and most probably you miss the fact that I've been leading on Leafsnail back there for an elongated amount of time.
It simply seems scummy that anyone who points out flaws in your arguments is instantly scum.You say 'scum' instead of 'scummy'.
You've an interesting way of wording things.
Oh, and I asked you many, many things back there. Please don't put my typing time in vain by being picky with your answers.
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 11, 2014, 07:40:16 pm
This could be a reference to the "Very Bad Thing". Important because it shows he wasn't pulling it out of nowhere when he was on the chopping block.
- It's seriously in the interests of Team Not Evil to keep me alive .
webadict: what proportion of people in this world are evil, would you say?Well, speaking from a historic perspective, I'd have to say around 23%.
23% x 13 = 0.299 = 3 evil people. Webadict told us how many evil people there were. There are no evil people out there who have not claimed.
TiruinAre you a mage?I'm a President, but yeah, I can use magic if I want to.
TiruinNowhere in NQT's roleflip did it say he could do magic.By learning it in magic classes.QuoteI'm a President, but yeah, I can use magic if I want to...How?
Quote from: NotQuiteThere
Class President – You were elected due to humble beginnings, a clear and efficient plan of improvement, thousands of dollars in propaganda, and a hefty dose of bribery. But everyone trusts you and your deep pockets at least. After all, you know what’s best and so does your cabinet, Mr. Franklin, Mr. Lincoln, and Mr. Jefferson.
Item = [[It's rude to go through people's things so no one really knows what she had.]]
Female
(Auto) Goody Two Shoes: You start off the game as a Confirmed Townie. Don't let it get to your head, princess.
Aha!
I just found something that explains a lot about NQT:
He fully claimed his role. He did not claim is item. What might happen that would let NQT claim something that he couldn't the previous day? Him giving away his item. It makes a lot of sense. Also, the "Very Bad Thing" could involve the fact that we don't get to use the item anymore and don't get to know what it is. He knew that if he was lynched, his item would go away. Maybe an item that is required to stop the meteor?And I did. You'll understand tomorrow.I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.Bullshit. Earlier you said that you had fully claimed your role.
I don't know why he wouldn't claim something like that though. Afraid of a day-kill? Actually, do item transfers happen before or after nightkills?
Love: Students need to find love(not sure who, refresh my memory? RangerCado?)NerjinFor the first question
For those not evil
What is the ultimate goal
What is our true aim?
I would guess it all depends
Love, Live, Food, Angels
Live: Scum/survivor wincons?
Food: Toaster/MOWE?
Angels: Stops the meteor?
Did the mods actually give useful information D1?
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 08:04:04 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 11, 2014, 08:20:38 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 11, 2014, 08:21:13 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 08:32:12 pm
Cado and makeinu (thanks for fishing that post out) are the only ones so far who has claimed Love. Let's pair them up? (Though it doesn't make sense IRL if that stuff goes. It didn't work with me when I accepted her gesture though)Love: Students need to find love(not sure who, refresh my memory? RangerCado?)NerjinFor the first question
For those not evil
What is the ultimate goal
What is our true aim?
I would guess it all depends
Love, Live, Food, Angels
Live: Scum/survivor wincons?
Food: Toaster/MOWE?
Angels: Stops the meteor?
Did the mods actually give useful information D1?
Live has been by...well, totally unsure.
Food is Toaster and MOWE.
Angel...perhaps, yeah.
And yes, the Mods gave lots of useful information D1, with only one or two things irrelevant.
And I still don't know my bloody wincon despite trawling through all that. Not Love. Not Live. Not Food. Unsure if Angel..but the pursuit of a beard, or wishing to be normal (contradictory to magic, which I guess is Angel given that I saw a hint that the love for magic is directly related to the Meteor--I don't /like/ the meteor though after asking) or the wish to know more.
Judging by the count, the item-wincon theory is more likely than not, False/Implausible.QuoteTheDarkStar - Diplomancer (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5068696#msg5068696); Probably wants pie (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5069100#msg5069100); Didn't start with an item
Toaster - Robot; Use sandwich/grilled item (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066931#msg5066931); 'Wins when Town wins'; Did not start with an item.
mastahcheese - Witchhunter (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066969#msg5066969); "It's a bit complicated, in that I wasn't given as straight an answer as Toaster." Probably needs my book(?) yet said book deals with a magical context.; Didn't start with an item.
4maskwolf - ...Pyromancer (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066994#msg5066994); "Wishes to cast a big fire spell which will go off at the end of day 4". Started with Invisibility Cloak.
Caz - 'Joker (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5075436#msg5075436)'; wins when Town wins. Started with a Portable Black Hole
MyOwnWorstEnemy - Living Sandwich (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5072997#msg5072997); Wants to be 'Eaten'; Started with Sword-thing
Tiruin - Not claiming until Leafsnail speaks; Something something wants to get a 'Beard'; Didn't start with an item.
Hapah//TheWetSheep - Crafter (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5078769;topicseen#msg5078769); Female. Can carry 2 items at once, has no items, started with no items.
notquitethere - Ded. Please tell if anything is related to this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4980903;topicseen#msg4980903)
RangerCado
Leafsnail
HissihnWalnuts - Started with an item
makeinu - 'Not a Wizard'; Started with item
Added notes by Toaster (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4966502;topicseen#msg4966502)
Corrections:
> One does not just be 'happy' that the Meteor Exists (Cado was happy the meteor exists, Tiruin bold-action'd being happy about it, nope.)
> MOWE's note is...strange. Where was it useless?QuoteKnown Items:
Midas Crown - Double vote; also isn't related to King Midas at all, as in the mythology thing.
Invisibility Cloak - ???
Mirror-thing... (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066931#msg5066931) - Grants redirect/Randomize Immunity
Sword-thing (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066969#msg5066969) - Allows watching of someone (and unless mistaken, this also allows them to be killed if doing a malevolent action - as what MOWE said)
Cursed Staff of Earth (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4961804;topicseen#msg4961804) - You can't vote while holding this.
Portable Black Hole - ehh?!
PS: @TDS and co. Your questions are in the quote-link here. Which you really like picking out.
If you really don't want to answer them, then why not explain or at least say something about it than getting on brevity?
Goodness. You people.
Oh, and TheDarkStar, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5074622#msg5074622) explain for once-despite stating it over and over-why keeping him alive as an emergency lynch is a bad thing?
You never did that. I ask you to do so again.
Quote
There is no point in "saving him for later"[...]Which is left undetailed.
That, and I'd love for you to now back up that idea on items = wincon, TDS. You never answer why you defend Leafsnail so viciously, yet when I see you talking about Toaster it's a roundabout accusation. Rather than directly defend him you throw an appeal to...nebulousness. Or whatever that was called.
MOWE: Mm? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5080288#msg5080288) Sure. But lynch the claimant of stealing items just to be sure. >.>
If for some reason that he ain't a MS, then either someone redirected me or LS/Cado are MS'ers.
Votecount/Timecount Nerjin?
[...]Please kill me first if this happens and I'm in it.
Also, if this starts to turn into a <quote> "Verbal slugging match"<endquote> I will mod-kill the offending players[...]
What do you call two hippopotami?I didn't get it! :'(
[beat]
A hippopatamus!
Caz: What does your portable black hole do?!
TWS: You're a genius. However I do remember the mods saying stuff about 'what happens to this item when ded'.
Nerjin: What happens (again to reask, as far as I know) when a person 'dies' and they still hold an item?
Just a few thoughts before I head to school.This has gotten me confused since D1, but why I do so is because everyone claimed--I wish to prove or deny the hypothesis that Evil=Scum by lynching either one of the two-now-one non-claimants.
I doubt that lynching a claimed evil person is going to give us the information we're hoping for. If they were a conventional scumteam, why would all three evil players claim if lynching one of them told us we needed to lynch the others?
That said, we might as well lynch one anyway if we have no better leads.
I mean if the MS wasn't really a bad thing they'd all claim. >.>
Ah. Makeinu probably needs a replacement too, if anyone is able to do so.Aw fish.
Hapah.Yay thanks.
If I had to pick between evil or summoner being scum, my gut tells me it's summoners. This is, again, why I want to see Ranger hang. I expect the flavor of his lynch to be enlightening.>_>
<_<
Now if this is what we talked about rather than threw swords at each other, we'd get at this understanding as of late rather than accusing people of defending x and y. Wherein I propose a redefinition of 'defending' be instated (in the BM Dictionary no less) due to it meaning two things: One benign/neutral, and one scum-tell-like.
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 11, 2014, 08:36:39 pm
NQT:
- Confirmed Not Evil
- No wincon
- Not meteor summoner
- Claimed that "Very Bad Thing" happens if lynched D1 or he tells us about it D1
- Flipped town, no powers except for Confirmed Not Evil, no mention of bad stuff
- Item censored on flip
Makeinu:
- Seemed to be softclaiming Class Flirt role through roleplay early D1
- Not evil
- Has a wincon, involves true love and something happening before the meteor strikes
- Not meteor summoner
- Role implies meteor cannot be stopped
Tiruin:
- Early D1 claimed to be a mage, neutral good alignment:
...I'm a mage, and I've no idea what my alignment is. Neutral Good I guess?- Later claimed Level 1 Mage
- Not evil
- No wincon
- Not meteor summoner
MastahCheese:
- Must "hunt evil", not necessarily wincon
- Must "rid the night of the evil that infests it"
- Not evil
- Not meteor summoner
- Witch hunter
- Alignment cop(evil/not evil)
HissinhWalnuts:
- A jerk
My character sheet shows me as a jerk but doesn't say ' You are evil ' so I think I'm town.- Not evil
- No wincon
- Not meteor summoner
I'm a count Dracula as bratty teenager girl apparently.
Leafsnail:
- Evil
- Not a meteor summoner
4maskwolf:
- Not evil
- No wincon
- Not meteor summoner
- Can burn items
TheDarkStar:
- Evil(Or, as evil as a normal teenager)
- No wincon
- Not meteor summoner
MOWE:
- Not evil
- Possible wincon(Become sandwich again)
- Not meteor summoner
- A sandwich
Hapah/Sheep:
- Not evil
- No wincon
- Not meteor summoner
RangerCado:
- Evil(Or, as evil as a normal teenager)
- No wincon
- Meteor summoner
Toaster:
- Not evil
- Possible wincon(Find warmnumnum.exe file or eat some warm num nums)
- Not meteor summoner
- Claimed to be a Robot
PPE: Was about to post when I noticed that there are only 12 names here. I missed Caz, which means that he didn't claim a single thing in all of day one(or I somehow missed everything he said).
PPE x2: Just noticed your compilation of claims and stuff, Tiruin. Hopefully this will be useful too.
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 08:38:59 pm
*looks at Nerjin's posts/stories*
Hot darn. Robosaurus really exists.
Cado, if you can reply: Are you a demon?
Also, TWS: Caz is female.
I do believe that if there was a deadchat, NQT would be really making it his novel.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 11, 2014, 08:42:17 pm
right, that was a day one list.
thanks!!! that's helpful.
PPE:
Tiruin: It's amusing how many times I've seen the female players here referred to as "he". Granted, I've done it myself, but sometimes it feels like "are you not paying attention, dude, because it's been mentioned before".
Now, back to the game. There apparently is a town wincon, which is in line with other semi-bastard games.
I think we've been overthinking this, people. Many semi-bastard games can be won in multiple ways, including lynching the scum, and the evil players were so kind as to claim for us.
Post by: Tiruin on March 11, 2014, 08:49:31 pm
I think my wincon has to do with fire and I'm charging up to be more powerful, but otherwise...Can I restate that my assumption D1 was that nobody got their wincon straight at them? I do believe that the Evil players did such so that they can 'come clean' or whatever. If by chance that TDS is not a summoner, then we have Cado/Leafsnail (or I was redirected somehow) and that one of the Non-Evils is a Summoner.
right, that was a day one list.
thanks!!! that's helpful.
Now, back to the game. There apparently is a town wincon, which is in line with other semi-bastard games.
I think we've been overthinking this, people. Many semi-bastard games can be won in multiple ways, including lynching the scum, and the evil players were so kind as to claim for us.
...
Wait, someone claimed Dracula's daughter?
Wat.
Quote
PPE:Ah, no. Here, it's different. By far, the only players are Caz and me. I have a gender-twist role and I...am not sure on hers.
Tiruin: It's amusing how many times I've seen the female players here referred to as "he". Granted, I've done it myself, but sometimes it feels like "are you not paying attention, dude, because it's been mentioned before".
I refer to the male players' female roles as s/he at times though. Hopefully they don't mind. :P
*looks back at own corrections*
Right...oops. Sorry! :X
Post by: RangerCado on March 11, 2014, 09:38:02 pm
Can I please get a quick overview of what people want to know from me and the current state of claims and such?
Post by: Nerjin on March 11, 2014, 09:59:10 pm
Nerjin: What happens (again to reask, as far as I know) when a person 'dies' and they still hold an item?
The item is randomly given away. IF they had one of course.
Also the joke is related to "I" and "Us" HippopatamI is the plural of hippopatamus but the joke hinges on the fact that Us would be two people [[The I]] It's uh.. kinda a weird one that upon explaining doesn't make as much sense as I thought.
Also the day is ending soon after I finish reading the thread. So... Yeah.
Post by: Nerjin on March 11, 2014, 10:00:42 pm
Post by: Nerjin on March 11, 2014, 10:07:36 pm
"Hm? Oh, right. Forgot about Daylights Murder time." Dr. Nerjin groaned as he glared at the clock hard enough for it to jump back an hour.
"But... What? Are you magic?"
"Are you asking me a question?"
"Am I?"
"Are you?"
"I could be."
"Don't," Dr. Nerjin sneered "you'll live longer."
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
------------------------
4maskwolf -
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Ext.)Leafsnail – MyOwnWorstEnemy, [1]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
(Ext.) RangerCado -Toaster, TheDarkStar, [2]
TheDarkStar – Caz, Tiruin, 4maskwolf[3 – Lynch Target]
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Toaster -
Not Voting – TheWetSheep, Walnuts, Leafsnail, Makeinu, Mastahcheese, Cado,
Day Extended because Nerjin fails at days.
1/6 votes to shorten
Day Will End Wednesday March 12th, at 10PM
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 11, 2014, 10:12:05 pm
lolz. quoting has amusing results.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 11, 2014, 10:13:54 pm
That was supposed to be the [/quote] that is inside your votecount.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 11, 2014, 10:37:15 pm
Ok, about the whole "love" thing, in the flavor text for the mirror I'm holding, it mentions that it was a gift for lovers, and made them fall more in love with each other.
Maybe one of them needs to get the mirror?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:01:11 am
So much happened...Dunnoo. Give it to Cado tonight and try not to get Cado lynched. Because !!SCIENCE!!
Ok, about the whole "love" thing, in the flavor text for the mirror I'm holding, it mentions that it was a gift for lovers, and made them fall more in love with each other.
Maybe one of them needs to get the mirror?
You have no idea how close I came to putting that in red by accident and trying to lynch someone who isn't even part of this game.
Those of you who want to lynch RangerCado: Is there ANY reason that we shouldn't lynch someone who could actively confuse the town (TDS or Leafsnail) rather than someone who we can, so to speak, save for later. Plus, if the mirror thing works, Cado may leave the game anyway, which will make you all happy.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 12, 2014, 12:04:42 am
Yeah, I'll see about giving the mirror over to Cado. !!Science!!, indeed.
...No wait, it's only !!Science!! for you because you burn things, for me it's just science.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:09:05 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 12:18:14 am
Which reminds me: who has the book?I have the book. I am unsure if it is the only one of its kind, however, given the volume title.
I am insecure with sharing the details of its contents as of the moment.
Yeah, the whole "we can save Ranger for later" has been Tiruin's main argument since Day 2, and it makes sense.Out of mafia query: Isn't it when glass is burned at a high temperature, it becomes sand? (I think the process is reversible..though it doesn't seem so? o_O?)
Yeah, I'll see about giving the mirror over to Cado. !!Science!!, indeed.
...No wait, it's only !!Science!! for you because you burn things, for me it's just science.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:20:39 am
Yes. Sand and glass are made of the same material: silicon dioxide sheets. I could go into an entire rant as to the exact mechanisms, but I'd... rather not.Which reminds me: who has the book?I have the book. I am unsure if it is the only one of its kind, however, given the volume title.
I am insecure with sharing the details of its contents as of the moment.Yeah, the whole "we can save Ranger for later" has been Tiruin's main argument since Day 2, and it makes sense.Out of mafia query: Isn't it when glass is burned at a high temperature, it becomes sand? (I think the process is reversible..though it doesn't seem so? o_O?)
Yeah, I'll see about giving the mirror over to Cado. !!Science!!, indeed.
...No wait, it's only !!Science!! for you because you burn things, for me it's just science.
Oooh...
Is there any sand in the classroom? Like, for a class project?
Mhm. I see about the book, Tiruin. Perhaps...
Post by: mastahcheese on March 12, 2014, 12:25:08 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:28:03 am
(Not related to Mafia, but I actually may have a slight obsession with the concept of turning sand to glass and vice-versa using electricity.)(This is... Slightly disturbing, actually. Do you mind if I put it in my sig?)
Post by: mastahcheese on March 12, 2014, 12:29:27 am
(Go ahead, but if we're to continue this discussion any longer we should really take it over to the banter thread.)(Not related to Mafia, but I actually may have a slight obsession with the concept of turning sand to glass and vice-versa using electricity.)(This is... Slightly disturbing, actually. Do you mind if I put it in my sig?)
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 12:35:03 am
Yes. Sand and glass are made of the same material: silicon dioxide sheets. I could go into an entire rant as to the exact mechanisms, but I'd... rather not...Please tell me this is related to your firespell.
Oooh...
Is there any sand in the classroom? Like, for a class project?
Mhm. I see about the book, Tiruin. Perhaps...
Because its gone quite...malicious by the detail here.
:-\
You're starting to scare me.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:35:57 am
... what?Yes. Sand and glass are made of the same material: silicon dioxide sheets. I could go into an entire rant as to the exact mechanisms, but I'd... rather not...Please tell me this is related to your firespell.
Oooh...
Is there any sand in the classroom? Like, for a class project?
Mhm. I see about the book, Tiruin. Perhaps...
Because its gone quite...malicious by the detail here.
:-\
You're starting to scare me.
I was talking about turning it into glass, yes. Why?
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 12:43:47 am
...
Can you affect the meteor in such a way that it burns in the skies above? I mean, distance aside, have you wondered on that matter?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:44:38 am
Well.Erm... I don't think that I am powerful enough for that... I can burn small things... like a staff...
...
Can you affect the meteor in such a way that it burns in the skies above? I mean, distance aside, have you wondered on that matter?
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 12:49:56 am
Ugh. Who else has a book? :|
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:53:07 am
...To give this book to 4mask or to MOWE.I have a cloak. Not a book. It's the same cloak. It's got a nice ability, though. Who wants to be immune to night actions night 4?
Ugh. Who else has a book? :|
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 12:54:27 am
Though I'd prefer you give it to mastahcheese given he's the cop. :D
..Wait, no I'd rather have it.
*glances at own powers*
Yep!
*WIFOM's scumteam*
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 12:59:26 am
*raises hand*Now now Tiruin, RangerCado is 16, according to his profile. No giving alcohol to minors. The minimum drinking age in Canada is either 18 or 19, depending on where you live.
Though I'd prefer you give it to mastahcheese given he's the cop. :D
..Wait, no I'd rather have it.
*glances at own powers*
Yep!
*WIFOM's scumteam*
Cheese, do you think the cloak would be useful?
Post by: RangerCado on March 12, 2014, 01:48:12 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 01:49:32 am
19, though you can drink under parent supervision apparently. But I don't ever plan to drink alcohol, and hate coffee with a passion.Finally, someone who agrees with me on this.
Post by: Toaster on March 12, 2014, 07:51:30 am
Yeah, the whole "we can save Ranger for later" has been Tiruin's main argument since Day 2, and it makes sense.
...if you accept the premise that evil players are who we need to lynch. I'm fine with YOU wanting it, but let me float a theory.
You want to lynch evil players.
Tiruin wants to grow a beard.
I want to eat a sandwich.
Someone else wanted to find love.
What if we all have an individual wincon... but also have a GROUP wincon? Nerjin confirmed that for me, and I wouldn't be surprised if it holds true for other people- his PM even heavily implies that many people have multiple wincons.
What does this mean?
Let's look at Mastahcheese's claimed wincon- lynch evil players. If this theory holds true, that means he also has an additional wincon that is presumably town. By that logic, lynch evil players must be separate and distinct than the town wincon. What else could this town wincon be?
LYNCH SUMMONERS.
If I'm right, then we need to hunt down summoners, not evil people- and Ranger remains the correct lynch.
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 08:30:02 am
If I'm right, then we need to hunt down summoners, not evil people- and Ranger remains the correct lynch.And I'm connecting that theory with Evil people in order to justify that Group wincon that you give out. With lack of Cado, then what? We lynched him. Woohoo. I put my priority on getting the order done and checking on the others if in case we end up in a state of scum > town. Evil > Not Evil. amongst others.
So what's wrong with lynching TDS/Leafsnail?
I don't drink intentionally (if only at parties for that 1 tiny quarter glass) and don't like coffee.19, though you can drink under parent supervision apparently. But I don't ever plan to drink alcohol, and hate coffee with a passion.Finally, someone who agrees with me on this.
*joins club*
Post by: Toaster on March 12, 2014, 10:00:08 am
So what's wrong with lynching TDS/Leafsnail?
Nothing, if you assume that evil is the anti-town group. If you assume it's summoners (which I do) it's a mislynch.
If we lynch Ranger, it's a correct lynch either assumption you make. That's why I'm behind his lynch (also see prior line.)
I don't drink intentionally (if only at parties for that 1 tiny quarter glass) and don't like coffee.
*joins club*
While I will drink (but rarely find myself doing so) I can agree that coffee is disgusting. It came right back up the only time I had it.
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 10:30:05 am
Tiruin:However if we do take the 2nd part, its correct either way. I doubt we won't be able to make the same decision tomorrow considering the case at hand. Mislynch or not, it'll prove at least one point regarding the note on what is Evil and what is not Evil rather than having us tussle with terminology and assumptions.So what's wrong with lynching TDS/Leafsnail?
Nothing, if you assume that evil is the anti-town group. If you assume it's summoners (which I do) it's a mislynch.
If we lynch Ranger, it's a correct lynch either assumption you make. That's why I'm behind his lynch (also see prior line.)
And in regard to that day, I seriously doubt things would worsen (given any circumstance, really).
Post by: Nerjin on March 12, 2014, 10:37:24 am
I also hate drinking and coffee. But I tend to avoid caffeine at all costs. No chocolate for this guy.
Post by: RangerCado on March 12, 2014, 11:25:13 am
Mastahcheese:I would like to point out the possibility of an EVERYONE wincon. Nothing more on it, just a thought actually. Concerning the lynching of the summoners, I still don't see how that will end the meteor coming crashing down on us all. And I have said it before and will continue to do so, I do not know who the other summoners are.Yeah, the whole "we can save Ranger for later" has been Tiruin's main argument since Day 2, and it makes sense.
...if you accept the premise that evil players are who we need to lynch. I'm fine with YOU wanting it, but let me float a theory.
You want to lynch evil players.
Tiruin wants to grow a beard.
I want to eat a sandwich.
Someone else wanted to find love.
What if we all have an individual wincon... but also have a GROUP wincon? Nerjin confirmed that for me, and I wouldn't be surprised if it holds true for other people- his PM even heavily implies that many people have multiple wincons.
What does this mean?
Let's look at Mastahcheese's claimed wincon- lynch evil players. If this theory holds true, that means he also has an additional wincon that is presumably town. By that logic, lynch evil players must be separate and distinct than the town wincon. What else could this town wincon be?
LYNCH SUMMONERS.
If I'm right, then we need to hunt down summoners, not evil people- and Ranger remains the correct lynch.
And... I'm gonna guess that this is a fully truthfully answered question that I can ask about most things? To the PMs!
Post by: RangerCado on March 12, 2014, 01:10:59 pm
I have none.
Through stupid unluckyness, I have no wincons. At all. I lost them Night 2 and have no clear way of getting one now so... yeah... I feel like quitting right now. For the sake of intergrity and pride, I'll finish the game, but I have no clear way to win anymore so... yeah... I'm annoyed.
Post by: Toaster on March 12, 2014, 01:12:06 pm
I have none.
Did he say why? Do you have any guesses?
Post by: RangerCado on March 12, 2014, 01:15:29 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 12, 2014, 01:19:53 pm
Post by: RangerCado on March 12, 2014, 01:22:58 pm
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 12, 2014, 04:11:41 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 12, 2014, 04:48:00 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 05:30:01 pm
Hmm, what a surprise, I'm confused again on what everyone is doing.You're actually back!
Any note from you?
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2014, 05:35:30 pm
Well, I have no idea how to win now. Nerjin's answer to my question of what my wincons are, yes plural, I had to check, can be summed up in 3 words.....?
I have none.
Through stupid unluckyness, I have no wincons. At all. I lost them Night 2 and have no clear way of getting one now so... yeah... I feel like quitting right now. For the sake of intergrity and pride, I'll finish the game, but I have no clear way to win anymore so... yeah... I'm annoyed.
You asked 'What are my wincons' like that, right?
His answer is 'I have none'?
This is both intriguing and...doubtful. Expound on that N2 thing, please.
Post by: RangerCado on March 12, 2014, 05:49:39 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 05:50:29 pm
Well, I have no idea how to win now. Nerjin's answer to my question of what my wincons are, yes plural, I had to check, can be summed up in 3 words.Did he actually say that you can't get one? Because that is... very unfortunate.
I have none.
Through stupid unluckyness, I have no wincons. At all. I lost them Night 2 and have no clear way of getting one now so... yeah... I feel like quitting right now. For the sake of intergrity and pride, I'll finish the game, but I have no clear way to win anymore so... yeah... I'm annoyed.
Post by: RangerCado on March 12, 2014, 05:51:20 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 12, 2014, 05:53:44 pm
Yes. He said I had no wincons as of Night 2. its possible to GET another wincon, but as of last night I don't have one. Then I got angry and had a small argument. I honestly feel like just quitting at this point, but if there IS a way for me to get a wincon i'm all for it.well, I missed that. Maybe I should get my vision checked...
Well, let's see...
Whoever has the mirror: try giving it to Cado.
Post by: Toaster on March 12, 2014, 08:29:05 pm
I hate cults.
Post by: Toaster on March 12, 2014, 08:30:27 pm
Post by: Nerjin on March 12, 2014, 08:43:37 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 12, 2014, 08:46:44 pm
Cheese, do you think the cloak would be useful?Probably, yeah. Since it's a passive, it wouldn't interfere with my inspect, so I could actually use it, unlike MOWE's sword.
RANGERCADO!
If your wincon is love, and I have a mirror to amplify love, then you might still be able to win!
I'll give you the mirror!
Post by: RangerCado on March 12, 2014, 08:53:36 pm
I honestly have no idea who to vote right now, I've been gone too long. I'll vote extend if that means anything.
Post by: Nerjin on March 12, 2014, 09:01:10 pm
“Excellent.” Dr. Nerjin grinned as he poured some wine.
“Say, what do you say to a battle of wits? If I win I get to have your revolver.”
“For my revolver?” Dr. Nerjin was torn. He did like battles of wits.
TheDarkStar nodded.
“To the death?”
TheDarkStar nodded.
“I accept.”
“Good, then pour the wine.” TheDarkStar said as they sat down. Opening a small packet he handed it to Dr. Nerjin “Smell this, but do not touch.”
“It’s iocane.” Dr. Nerjin said with a grin. He’d recognize the non-scent instantly. “It’s odorless, tasteless, dissolves instantly in liquid, and it one of the deadlier poisons known to man.”
“Exactly.” Taking the cups TheDarkStar hid them between the desk and his body so that neither Dr. Nerjin or the students could see what he had done. Placing the goblets back on the table TheDarkStar smiled “There, the battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink. Then we find out who is right… and who is dead.”
Dr. Nerjin laughed “But it’s so simple… All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of person who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemies? A clever person would put the poison into his own goblet because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.”
“So you’ve made your choice?” TheDarkStar asked with a smile.
“Not remotely. Because you got the Iocane from my pockets which means you’re a Evil Wizard - Diplomancer. Evil Wizard - Diplomancers are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.”
“Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.”
“Wait til I get going!” Dr. Nerjin smiled “… Where was I?”
“My alignment.”
“Right, so you would have known that I would have seen through that trick so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.”
“You’re stalling now.”
“YOU’D LIKE TO THINK THAT WOULDN’T YOU! You’ve been accepted into this school which means you’re exceptionally smart so you could’ve put the poison into your own goblet trusting on your guile to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. BUT you’ve also challenged me to a battle of wits which means you must have studied my thought process and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.”
“Then make your choice.” TheDarkStar was beginning to get nervous.
“I will! And I choose-“ Suddenly Dr. Nerjin looked very surprised “What in the world could that be!?”
The entire class, including TheDarkStar, turned around to see only a brick wall.
Turning back TheDarkStar said “I don’t see anything.”
Dr. Nerjin laughed “Well I coulda sworn I saw something…” Another laughed occurred.
“What’s so funny?”
“I-I’ll tell you in a minute. First, let’s drink. Me from my glass, and you from yours.”
Dr. Nerjin and TheDarkStar both raised their goblets and-
*BLAM*
TheDarkStar dropped his glass and fell to the floor bleeding.
“I’m sure you’re about to say that I guessed wrong?” Dr. Nerjin smiled as he revealed his smoking revolver. “Well you only think I guessed wrong. THAT’S WHAT’S SO FUNNY! I watched the ‘Princess Bride’ as well. You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is; Never get involved in a land war in Asia. BUT ONLY SLIGHTLY LESS WELL KNOWN IS THIS: NEVER GO IN AGAINST DR. NERJIN, WHEN DEATH IS ON THE LINE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHA-“ Dr. Nerjin stopped laughing as TheDarkStar stood up and began limping off. “Where are you going?” He asked.
“Nurse’s office…”
TheDarkStar was lynched! He was an Evil Wizard - Diplomancer! He was in league with the Summoners.
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
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4maskwolf -
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Ext.)Leafsnail – MyOwnWorstEnemy, [1]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
(Ext.) RangerCado -Toaster, TheDarkStar, [2]
TheDarkStar – Caz, Tiruin, 4maskwolf[3 – Lynched]
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Toaster -
Not Voting – TheWetSheep, Walnuts, Leafsnail, Makeinu, Mastahcheese, Cado,
Night 3 has begun!
Night 3 will end Friday, 14th at 5PM
Post by: Nerjin on March 14, 2014, 03:53:50 pm
In the center of the room sits Mr. Ansteras, the Robot Janitor, chanting in some forgotten tongue. [[Ohus Robosarusus theus Celestialus Bloomus, comeus tous usus soonus. Ohus Robosarusus theus Celestialus Bloomus...]] and so on and so forth for several minutes. Finally recognizing the class coming in Mr. Ansteras smiles wide causing lava to splash over his ceremonial robes which somehow remain unfirey.
"Hello children. It is a wonderful day is it not!? Robosaurus, the Celestial Bloom, is close. I can feel it in my circuitry. He'll save us! Just you watch. Dr. Nerjin disagrees but I know it to be true in my heart. Soon... Soon SOON! HAHAHA!" The Normally calm and suave Mr. Ansteras seems to be overjoyed at the prospect. Still none of you, openly, worship Robosaurus, the Celestial Bloom, so you decide to simply get back to your normal school day of not learning a damn thing and playing a game instead.
Such good student.
No one is missing...?
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
------------------------
4maskwolf -
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Ext.)Leafsnail –
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
MyOwnWorstEnemy -
(Ext.) RangerCado -
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Toaster -
Not Voting – Anybody!
Day 3 has begun!
Day 3 will end: Wednesday 19, 2014 at 10PM
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2014, 04:06:36 pm
Post by: Nerjin on March 14, 2014, 04:43:16 pm
MyOwnWorstEnemy has won!
MyOwnWorstEnemy was A Sandwich
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
------------------------
4maskwolf -
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Ext.)Leafsnail –
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
(Ext.) RangerCado -
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Toaster -
Not Voting – Anybody!
Day 3 will end: Wednesday 19, 2014 at 10PM
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 14, 2014, 04:44:14 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2014, 05:21:27 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2014, 05:21:54 pm
Eat the MOWE Sandwich!
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 14, 2014, 05:38:11 pm
MyOwnWorstEnemy has won!
MyOwnWorstEnemy was A Sandwich
Best quote from the game so far. Also, bah. I died.
Post by: RangerCado on March 14, 2014, 06:14:07 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 14, 2014, 07:42:06 pm
Well... the mirror did nothing. Still no wincon, still no abilities... I hate this game.I feel really bad for you...
This is the problem with bastard games, I think. Sometimes you can end up with no motivation to do anything because there isn't anything you can do.
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2014, 10:12:00 pm
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 14, 2014, 10:16:55 pm
Yeah I had the mirror first round.
I don't feel like doing anything because of my god damn dad grounding me.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 14, 2014, 10:17:23 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2014, 10:31:24 pm
H. Walnuts
Can you tell your whole story? Because what you've given now is...quite lacking and disconnected.
Yeah I had the mirror first round.
I don't feel like doing anything because of my god damn dad grounding me.
Also for your first game, why were you absent the whole time?
Leafsnail.
mastahcheese, consider yourself protected tonight, and last night.
So who's cult?There is no cult. >:D
But let's just wait for Leafsnail to talk, in all good manner.
Or duh.I gave her the Book.
Eat the MOWE Sandwich!
Nerjin: Can day-abilities be PM'd instead of said out loud in-thread to work?
[...]normal school day of not learning a damn thing and playing a game instead.dohoho, I've learned a lot about human behavior.
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2014, 10:32:14 pm
Well... the mirror did nothing. Still no wincon, still no abilities... I hate this game.What kind of Love are you seeking?
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2014, 10:33:12 pm
So who's cult?There is no cult. >:D
Knew you were scum. But it's all good.
Tiruin, not like it matters.
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2014, 10:33:46 pm
The class is surprised to see that MyOwnWorstEnemy has disappeared! In their place there is simply the most delicious sandwich known to mankind. However, like Excalibur, it has not chosen it's own yet. So for now you must simply continue with your day....Now I seriously wonder how she got to schoo-
Oh.
I also try to sample the sandwich!
*facepalms yet again*So who's cult?There is no cult. >:D
Knew you were scum. But it's all good.
Tiruin, not like it matters.
Idiot...
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2014, 10:37:21 pm
Post by: RangerCado on March 14, 2014, 10:38:39 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2014, 10:45:26 pm
Now who's insulting whom?You started it yet again with all that brevity. So you, then me, then relay an attack against the person from you, then a retort from me.
And that was more tsundere than not... :-\
I mean really. Are you secretly trying to tell us something that you aren't town? <.<
I don't even have a love wincon. As far as I know, either the person who I WAS supposed to fall in love with is dead, or some ability changed my others love to not be for me. I have NO clue what I can do to change this at all....But I said I can love you.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
4mask: How goes the pyrotechnics?
mastahcheese: Notes?
Post by: RangerCado on March 14, 2014, 10:47:39 pm
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 14, 2014, 10:48:17 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2014, 10:54:09 pm
Tiruin: I was actually observing, and getting more confused by my answers later on. So I started out, then mass claims, then corrections on my understanding, then trying to go through the night and do my action, but then! I'm grounded, and I've stayed that way the whole game so I've given up on night now. Then I try to figure out what's going on and my head explodes, so I decide to lay low to make sure I'm not randomly lynched for my stupidity.... O_o
Err, all we know of you is somethingsomething Dracula's daughter and that now you're grounded.
And laying low when you've nothing else to do but talk is bad form. That's lurking. That's hiding under fear.
Could you expound on these ideals you put on yourself?
As far as I can tell. It was part of my fight with Nerjin anyway. Apparently I had a puzzle I was supposed to figure out and use my ability on someone. I chose not to use it, and then lost it and my wincons Night 1 or 2.. . .That would be real evil to have you lose every method to achieving the puzzle.
I mean, like, N1/2-early.
There must be a way. Any changes in your flavor or such?
Waaaait.
Did anyone visit you recently? Did any MALE visit you recently?
Post by: RangerCado on March 14, 2014, 10:57:57 pm
And no, I didn't get any visits as far as I can tell.
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2014, 11:00:09 pm
Spoiler: Totally unrelated to the game at hand (click to show/hide)
And my wincon hasn't changed, and is still what I claimed it was yesterday.
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2014, 11:16:47 pm
Aside from being incredibly depressed by losing hope in love, my assumption of the hint that would have been that I lost the wincon completely if I hadn't just asked about them. Apparently it was extremely unlikely to have ever happened before night 4. 3 at the earliest was Nerjin's guess.
And no, I didn't get any visits as far as I can tell.
And no, I didn't get any visits as far as I can tell.
I didn't get any visits as far as I can tell.
Ahh, Mademoiselle. Perhaps someone (like me) should visit you tonight (though extremely ridiculous IRL unless we're great friends/know each other)? I am confused by the existence of:
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Apparently it was extremely unlikely to have ever happened before night 4. 3 at the earliest was Nerjin's guess.what 'it' is, however I'd wonder that-if ever-any visit from a male classmate would help out here.
When I gave my item to MOWE, I did it in such a nice way, it was....a nice way.
So I guess let's try this out.
Tiruin: For the record, I have never set out to personally insult you.Eeeeeee >__<Spoiler: Totally unrelated to the game at hand (click to show/hide)
And my wincon hasn't changed, and is still what I claimed it was yesterday.
I didn't mean my response in a bad way. I mean, it was more of an 'Oh I see your vote :3 Now let's reply in the formal manner of...err, this sort of..fun-silly-gestures we do in..Mafia? Yeah I lost my wording in giving this expression but it's more of a ":3" thing.'
But then I thought the reply was related to yesterday so...
:'( Sorry for that!
(And I say there is no cult because I am a protector.)
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2014, 11:22:57 pm
(And I say there is no cult because I am a protector.)
Even if there is a standard Mafia and you prevented their kills, that doesn't mean there can't be a cult.
I didn't mean my response in a bad way.
Also, I'm really bad at reading emotions- I think that's one reason I like Mafia- it's practice. (I'm still terrible at it- that's why I suck at playing town. On the flip side, having dull emotions makes me excellent at remaining rock steady when being grilled; great for playing scum.)
And no apology needed- 16 years of Internet usage has given me a very thick skin.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 14, 2014, 11:24:09 pm
I'm serious, you guys, I don't frelling want this damn thing!
mastahcheese, consider yourself protected tonight, and last night.
What do you mean by this? Did you try to give me an item or something? Are thought you were an inspector?
mastahcheese: Notes?I don't even know. I'm lost, I thought giving the mirror to Cado might actually do something, but I guess not. I'm clueless now.
Post by: RangerCado on March 14, 2014, 11:31:20 pm
Spoiler: Not game related (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on March 14, 2014, 11:33:57 pm
Tiruin: Are you told your protect actually prevented a death? Did such a thing happen three nights in a row?...I have no idea.(And I say there is no cult because I am a protector.)
Even if there is a standard Mafia and you prevented their kills, that doesn't mean there can't be a cult.
N1, I protected you.
N2: Mr. Cheese.
N3: Mr. Cheese (and thanks to that Level up, I'm a true...wait for it, look below :3) which extends to N4.
Also, I based that on you concluding there is a cult based on no protector (I've no idea if I'm told or not however, though I assume I'm not, as-normally told).
So I'm a White Mage (I thought I had hinted it before but not the exact color-mage scheme). Everything (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4958555;topicseen#msg4958555) I said here is true regarding myself. #2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4964730#msg4964730) here is just pushing the line.
And as stated before, I've no idea what my wincon is! :D Assuming it'd be the stripping of my powers, or something something (power + beard).
Which I guess is the latter given my ability growth. (The 'Level' is about my ability, not my role title). When I said I've an ability that I can 'give'? That's me lying. I can cure people of their wounds which heals them from...any wounds they have during the night.
And now that I've read the book, it's more like a life ward now, extending to two nights! (ie True White Mage, as seen in BM-Flashmafia roles...which seem to have their server down :/)
I apologize because I insulted kuya Toaster and it was really mean and disrespectful of me to have spoken against you in such a manner.I didn't mean my response in a bad way.
Also, I'm really bad at reading emotions- I think that's one reason I like Mafia- it's practice. (I'm still terrible at it- that's why I suck at playing town. On the flip side, having dull emotions makes me excellent at remaining rock steady when being grilled; great for playing scum.)
And no apology needed- 16 years of Internet usage has given me a very thick skin.
It hurts my chest and gives me dyspepsia, as a signal for when I'm doing bad stuffs.
Well, I'll try anything at this point Tiruin. Go right ahead.Woo! I'll just wear this shiny cloak then give it to you!Spoiler: Not game related (click to show/hide)
Also @OOC: If you can abide by laaaaaaaaaag then I'd might as well love to! However I lack a webcam, microphone and-wait, I have headphones.
IRC perhaps? :O
OK WHO GAVE ME THE FUGGIN SWORD BACK?I got PPE'd by you.
I'm serious, you guys, I don't frelling want this damn thing!mastahcheese, consider yourself protected tonight, and last night.That is so creeperish
What do you mean by this? Did you try to give me an item or something? Are thought you were an inspector?mastahcheese: Notes?I don't even know. I'm lost, I thought giving the mirror to Cado might actually do something, but I guess not. I'm clueless now.
Also I gave MOWE the book. Unsure if she got it until my query to Nerjin is answered...though I do expect he'll give either a PM reply or a neutral response here.
Also no I'm not an inspector--that was me playing a gambit to really check the Evil-team; primarily due to the levels of scumminess I've seen radiating from TDS (and Leafsnail's way of arguing back there. It was toeing the line too much that it left toe marks.)
Post by: RangerCado on March 14, 2014, 11:36:37 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 14, 2014, 11:44:16 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2014, 11:44:39 pm
Game. Set. Match.
That reads as "My wincon is about to be filled" to me.
I apologize because I insulted kuya Toaster and it was really mean and disrespectful of me to have spoken against you in such a manner.
It hurts my chest and gives me dyspepsia, as a signal for when I'm doing bad stuffs.
I had to look up "kuya." Thanks, Urban Dictionary. Seriously, though, I can't remember the last time an Internet insult affected me in any negative way.
I'm pretty dyspepsic myself- Coke is way better.
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2014, 11:49:38 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 14, 2014, 11:53:18 pm
I leave for a few hours and a page and a half of things appear. Just my luck.
Regardless, TDS was in league with the summoners. Does this not implicate Leafsnail as a summoner, or at least being in league with them.
I somehow just ended up with the book of spells. Not entirely sure how, but I'm gonna see what happens when I read it.
Good, no need for me to play bad cop :P.
Brace yourselves.
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2014, 12:00:06 am
((Well, I currently have no access to a mic, so yeah. IRC works. PM me the link and i'll jump in.))After the game, you. :)
Though as a general note, we have a running lower board IRC which covers quite everything. Most people there are the regulars in these boards (Darkmyst IRC: #bay12lb).
Though something has me wondering. 4mask?
I look at the meteor outside (and check the window if someone bothered to close it. Also if there is sand on the floor. Also what kind of bread the MOWE-sandwich was put between).
Gaah the PPEs.
Tiruin: So what was this comment about, then?In which I assume the NOt Evil wincon is to...do something to the Meteor Summoners. Perhaps by getting them all injured (or..something, given the mechanics and such at the general disposal) then the meteor will wane and not crash into [our planet]Game. Set. Match.
That reads as "My wincon is about to be filled" to me.
Because I've no wincon--nothing to base anything on. That statement was more on my hunch that Evil = MS. So it's like "the game is set, let us end this." given that by due assumption, Leafsnail is also a Summoner (given how he interacted with TDS/TDS interacted with him? It doesn't help me not see him as one).
So..err, yeah! You are correct in your reading.
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Eep! When I say kuya, it's like our term for 'young older male/brother', which is more of a respectful term than not (wherein we've 2 different terms for older males, hence the 'young' part :P)I apologize because I insulted kuya Toaster and it was really mean and disrespectful of me to have spoken against you in such a manner.
It hurts my chest and gives me dyspepsia, as a signal for when I'm doing bad stuffs.
I had to look up "kuya." Thanks, Urban Dictionary. Seriously, though, I can't remember the last time an Internet insult affected me in any negative way.
I'm pretty dyspepsic myself- Coke is way better.
Also xD
Oh yeah- for the record, TDS was telling the truth about being able to steal items; though D1 already proved that conclusively, I guess.I...didn't see anything on him (or a quote-box roleflip. Yeah Nerjin. :I) about this. Link?
Hello everyone.Yes, it doesn't directly do so, however I can't ignore how they both stuck up for each other while pushing Cado out as a pawn... :/
I leave for a few hours and a page and a half of things appear. Just my luck.
Regardless, TDS was in league with the summoners. Does this not implicate Leafsnail as a summoner, or at least being in league with them.
I somehow just ended up with the book of spells. Not entirely sure how, but I'm gonna see what happens when I read it.
Good, no need for me to play bad cop :P.
Brace yourselves.
Also what book of spells was that? Name please?
Post by: Toaster on March 15, 2014, 12:07:49 am
Fair enough on wincon considerations, though I do not see any hard evidence on the "Evil = Summoner" line of thought. For example, I still don't see why you'd vote Leafsnail over Ranger... but I'm not doing that argument any more.
I PMed Nerjin about the roleflip- it appears that was intentional, for whatever reason. I conclude that means he is Scum in some way. Poor bastard can't ever roll town.
Link is here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066931;topicseen#msg5066931). I ate his ability last night, so I have that until end of N4.
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2014, 12:17:22 am
EBWOP on this: What I meant for clarity is the purpose of Beneficence (or benevolence); meaning to do what a usually NOT EVIL person would usually do in the matter: They would search for a solution against the current major problem--that seemingly being the meteor and/or their summoners, which by my best guess are really related to the meteor.Tiruin: So what was this comment about, then?In which I assume the NOt Evil wincon is to...do something to the Meteor Summoners. Perhaps by getting them all injured (or..something, given the mechanics and such at the general disposal) then the meteor will wane and not crash into [our planet]Game. Set. Match.
That reads as "My wincon is about to be filled" to me.
Which is why I look out the window to check if it has diminished in power.
PPE:
Fair enough on wincon considerations, though I do not see any hard evidence on the "Evil = Summoner" line of thought. For example, I still don't see why you'd vote Leafsnail over Ranger... but I'm not doing that argument any more.On the first...same. I don't see any hard evidence (other than scumhunting, but we're debating context) on why Evil = Summoner, [I mean TDS seemed to be that Evil Wizard who turned MOWE into a living sandwich...]
...Which explains the second statement. I'd like Leafsnail lynched (unless he has something big to say) in order to check if he's (more likely than not) a summoner, too.
Link is here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg5066931;topicseen#msg5066931). I ate his ability last night, so I have that until end of N4.*clicks link*
..."Ate" ?!
Toaster, the devourer of souls.
But thanks for that. So that means that my N1 poke at you didn't work (and would thus leave you vulnerable) and...mastahcheese: Who did you check?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 15, 2014, 12:21:10 am
When I gave the mirror to Cado, I forgot to set an inspect target.
I just realized that.
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2014, 12:36:24 am
*Mastahcheese slams fist through wall*:'(
When I gave the mirror to Cado, I forgot to set an inspect target.
I just realized that.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 15, 2014, 12:40:11 am
That is exactly how I feel right now.*Mastahcheese slams fist through wall*:'(
When I gave the mirror to Cado, I forgot to set an inspect target.
I just realized that.
Post by: Nerjin on March 15, 2014, 08:37:57 am
I look at the meteor outside (and check the window if someone bothered to close it. Also if there is sand on the floor. Also what kind of bread the MOWE-sandwich was put between).
The Meteor is still far away in the sky. Though it is very pretty. The window has been closed as it is against school policy for windows to remain open overnight. Sand? If only there was a janitor, perhaps a robotic one, to clean that... Oh wait...
The MOWE sandwich was served on wheat bread made from thirty thousand separate grains.
Post by: Nerjin on March 15, 2014, 08:39:54 am
Nerjin: Can day-abilities be PM'd instead of said out loud in-thread to work?
Day abilities can be PMed or posted in thread. I'm not picky.
*Mastahcheese slams fist through wall*
You have to pay for that...
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 09:38:19 am
Brace yourselves.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 15, 2014, 09:26:15 pm
*Mastahcheese slams fist through wall*
You have to pay for that...
The bold was for emphasis, not designation as an action.
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2014, 11:19:09 pm
The book of super powerful spells two or something like that. I think it's the one that has been tossed around on here before....
Brace yourselves.
How did you get it when I left it at MOWE's window-side at her home?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 11:20:08 pm
Brace yourselves.
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2014, 11:26:39 pm
I dunno. The sandwich was laying on top of it.But MOWE was only a sandwich like, when we got to class.
Brace yourselves.
How can a sandwich get to class?! Especially a yummy, nice sandwich like that?!
...
Tiruin hides under his desk.
"Just do that pyromancy already."
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 11:27:23 pm
But MOWE was only a sandwich like, when we got to class.I have no idea how MOWE got to class. And if I did, I wouldn't say.
How can a sandwich get to class?! Especially a yummy, nice sandwich like that?!
...
Tiruin hides under his desk.
"Just do that pyromancy already."
Brace yourselves.
Post by: Toaster on March 15, 2014, 11:31:14 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 15, 2014, 11:32:35 pm
You got a bit of a nervous tic there?Shut up, those are neither fun nor funny.
That said, Brace for impact
Post by: Toaster on March 15, 2014, 11:33:03 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 11:33:55 pm
You got a bit of a nervous tic there?Who has the nervous tic?
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2014, 11:35:44 pm
But then big fire spell.
Tiruin also braces Toaster down as he nom's on the MOWE-wich.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 11:36:29 pm
And then 4maskwolf was the summoner and the meteor crashed into our area.Wait... did you just turn that statement of mine into a WIFOM?
But then big fire spell.
Tiruin also braces Toaster down as he nom's on the MOWE-wich.
Brace yourselves.
Post by: Toaster on March 15, 2014, 11:39:06 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2014, 11:43:07 pm
Just like the ones I have. But with better aligned teeth.
*seethes*
...I dunno if it's WIFOM or not. Judging by most recent posts of yours with the tag of 'Brace yourselves', I believe its either a not-so-subtle warning you're giving out, or a typed-verbal cue which is somewhat connected to an ability you have.And then 4maskwolf was the summoner and the meteor crashed into our area.Wait... did you just turn that statement of mine into a WIFOM?
But then big fire spell.
Tiruin also braces Toaster down as he nom's on the MOWE-wich.
Brace yourselves.
Because you didn't answer my stuffs that I said today.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 15, 2014, 11:43:49 pm
Braces. xDWait... what stuffs did I miss?
Just like the ones I have. But with better aligned teeth.
*seethes*...I dunno if it's WIFOM or not. Judging by most recent posts of yours with the tag of 'Brace yourselves', I believe its either a not-so-subtle warning you're giving out, or a typed-verbal cue which is somewhat connected to an ability you have.And then 4maskwolf was the summoner and the meteor crashed into our area.Wait... did you just turn that statement of mine into a WIFOM?
But then big fire spell.
Tiruin also braces Toaster down as he nom's on the MOWE-wich.
Brace yourselves.
Because you didn't answer my stuffs that I said today.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 15, 2014, 11:45:49 pm
Braces. xDIf it makes you feel any better, I know how you feel. I don't have them anymore, but I do have this stupid permanent retainer thing attached to the back of my lower teeth that is supposed to outlive myself.
Just like the ones I have. But with better aligned teeth.
*seethes*
But I know how much they suck.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 10:17:58 am
I can now fulfill by bad cop threat.
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 10:57:22 am
LOLOLOLOLOLOL I love this book.If this is in anyway related to that random-item thingamajig then I'm really going to throw this stone at that mechanic.
I can now fulfill by bad cop threat.
Can you back it up now and do whatever. >_>
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 10:58:08 am
The book of spells thingy just broke the hex that prevented me from burning people :DLOLOLOLOLOLOL I love this book.If this is in anyway related to that random-item thingamajig then I'm really going to throw this stone at that mechanic.
I can now fulfill by bad cop threat.
Can you back it up now and do whatever. >_>
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 11:11:58 am
...
You didn't target MOWE, did you? Also is it a Day Action?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 11:17:10 am
...Oh c'mon. Just NOW when MOWE wa-No and no. I think I got the book because MOWE got the ability to turn herself into a sandwich through the book and won, so I got the book for some unfathomable reason.
...
You didn't target MOWE, did you? Also is it a Day Action?
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 11:19:57 am
SO anyways what can ya do with that new spell? Does anyone else have any book or source of knowledge that isn't number two?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 11:21:24 am
And then 4mask was a doomspeaker/SK. ::)Doomspeaker... nothing of the kind. well... idk what my power does, actually, the whole "fully charged" thing. Nerjin himself said I don't know what will happen.
SO anyways what can ya do with that new spell? Does anyone else have any book or source of knowledge that isn't number two?
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 11:30:53 am
You may take note that I'm basically asking you as casually as a fish breathes in water...meaning I'm quite curious about you and wow fire so hot.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 11:32:36 am
Well what does happen?I have no idea what will happen when I unleash my power at the end of the day. But if anyone has any protective abilities, it may be a good idea to activate them, because fire usually burns things. But seriously, my guess is as good as anyone else's here.
You may take note that I'm basically asking you as casually as a fish breathes in water...meaning I'm quite curious about you and wow fire so hot.
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 11:50:13 am
Details on the fire-spell please?
Nerjin: Story + votecount + timecount thanks :D
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 11:54:02 am
...Well. Great. Unless anything seriously bad happens, then mastahcheese will be alive by tomorrow (if SK-nuke type power and you've been sneaky all this time) and probably someone else. Like Toaster or someone else...Are you asking me for details? On which spell?
Details on the fire-spell please?
Nerjin: Story + votecount + timecount thanks :D
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 11:57:35 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 11:59:28 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 12:01:00 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 12:04:16 pm
The little one I have had since the beginning of the game was a night action that could burn items, and can now burn people too.
Post by: Nerjin on March 16, 2014, 12:11:07 pm
So happy that he didn't even reprimand MastahCheese for punching a hole through SOLID STEEL walls. Seriously, that is impressive. Maybe he forgot that all wooden surfaces are now steam-punk? Oh well... Still it feels... a little bit warm inside.
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
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4maskwolf -
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Ext.)Leafsnail – Tiruin, [1 - Tie]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
(Ext.) RangerCado - Toaster, [1 - Tie]
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Toaster -
Not Voting – 4maskwolf, Caz, TheWetSheep, HissihnWalnuts, Leafsnail, makeinu, mastahcheese, RangerCado [8]
Day 3 will end: Wednesday 19, 2014 at 10PM [~81 Hours]
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 01:54:04 pm
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 16, 2014, 07:44:14 pm
4maskwolf: Any reason we shouldn't lynch you for having the ability to kill people and a giant fire spell of unknown effect? It sounds like the kind of thing that would be bad for everyone else - a kill-everything sort of thing? Your information about it is kind of scattered around- could you explain everything you know clearly and concisely please?
Although I think I remember something about somebody's ability making them invincible N4 or something. Some kind of action/ability synergy there?
And I feel like I'm missing something. What's the "Brace yourselves" thing about?
Leafsnail: I'd love to know what you think of that flip. Evil = Summoner seems fairly reliable so far. Although that doesn't make total sense with what Mastahcheese is claiming, since his wincon would be identical to towns(Lynch all summoners/lynch all evil). I guess there's no real reason that lynching the summoners would stop the meteor, though. Do you know if you'd flip on death?
Cado: Do you know if you'd flip on death?
Toaster: If your wincon is to eat a sandwich or something, why are you trying so hard to lynch summoners?
Also, how does a cult make any sense at all with the flavour?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 07:47:47 pm
4maskwolf: Any reason we shouldn't lynch you for having the ability to kill people and a giant fire spell of unknown effect? It sounds like the kind of thing that would be bad for everyone else - a kill-everything sort of thing? Your information about it is kind of scattered around- could you explain everything you know clearly and concisely please?Hello Sheepy. May I call you Sheepy?
Although I think I remember something about somebody's ability making them invincible N4 or something. Some kind of action/ability synergy there?
And I feel like I'm missing something. What's the "Brace yourselves" thing about?
Because I use my abilities judiciously. I do not throw kills around lightly.
Dunno about the invincibility.
Brace yourselves is a reference to my big fire spell that some people knew about already.
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 08:40:58 pm
What does that 'big fire spell' talk about? What does it do?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 08:42:50 pm
TWS has a good point though--I doubt that the utility of your spell wasn't given to you, directly.I have no idea. If I did, I would tell you. I can't quote the mod pm's, but he implies that I won't be in the game past this night.
What does that 'big fire spell' talk about? What does it do?
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 08:54:26 pm
Recently, I see night.
...My cynic is whispering a subtle lie there.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 08:55:37 pm
...You have no idea how it works, or what it does, or what it talks about, but you know you must cast it by the fourth day? I thoroughly remember you saying it was going to be cast at Day when you announced it before.Actually, it is at day END. Not during the day itself, but right as school ends, according to Nerjin. His original answer wasn't clear, and you misinterpereted what I said originally.
Recently, I see night.
...My cynic is whispering a subtle lie there.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 16, 2014, 09:23:37 pm
Post by: RangerCado on March 16, 2014, 09:52:58 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 10:47:35 pm
I have no idea what will happen when I die. My flavour may just be me fading out of existance or something. I have no idea at this point.You're always the heartwrencher. ._.
So now we're all going to die, then?Most probably not you if the SK-Nuke theory is to be believed. And probably someone else I can save. And probably me if this invisibility cloak has any merit?
...Which is AT DAY END but BEFORE NIGHT?...You have no idea how it works, or what it does, or what it talks about, but you know you must cast it by the fourth day? I thoroughly remember you saying it was going to be cast at Day when you announced it before.Actually, it is at day END. Not during the day itself, but right as school ends, according to Nerjin. His original answer wasn't clear, and you misinterpereted what I said originally.
Recently, I see night.
...My cynic is whispering a subtle lie there.
And what DOES IT DO?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 10:53:26 pm
I have no idea what will happen when I die. My flavour may just be me fading out of existance or something. I have no idea at this point.You're always the heartwrencher. ._.So now we're all going to die, then?Most probably not you if the SK-Nuke theory is to be believed. And probably someone else I can save. And probably me if this invisibility cloak has any merit?...Which is AT DAY END but BEFORE NIGHT?...You have no idea how it works, or what it does, or what it talks about, but you know you must cast it by the fourth day? I thoroughly remember you saying it was going to be cast at Day when you announced it before.Actually, it is at day END. Not during the day itself, but right as school ends, according to Nerjin. His original answer wasn't clear, and you misinterpereted what I said originally.
Recently, I see night.
...My cynic is whispering a subtle lie there.
And what DOES IT DO?
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I DO NOT KNOW!!! I... DON'T... KNOW!!!!
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 10:54:29 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 10:55:40 pm
Even a clue? :<
I DON'T KNOW!!!! AS IN I HAVE NO IDEA!!!!
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 10:58:13 pm
Now can we lynch Leafsnail please?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 10:59:39 pm
Alright, case settled!
Now can we lynch Leafsnail please?
FINE. LEAFSNAIL
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 11:00:27 pm
You sound too irritated...'sup?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 11:02:53 pm
O_oDon't make me start ranting.
You sound too irritated...'sup?
Post by: Nerjin on March 16, 2014, 11:04:03 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 11:04:54 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 16, 2014, 11:07:18 pm
Let us maintain a chill composure.*grumbles*
Post by: mastahcheese on March 16, 2014, 11:07:44 pm
I guess we just, like Tiru said, vote Leafsnail at this point.
Also, what is lynching people doing right now? So far Dr. Nerjin has been shooting everyone we vote for.
I'm not trying to cause confusion, or anything, I'm just curious.
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 11:13:21 pm
I mean, we can't go out since we need a 'hallpass', and from what I know the teacher holds them--never had them while I was at school myself so...
And we can look out the window. We can 'act' in the classroom.
...
Nerjin: You do notice that Toaster is om nom nom'ing MOWE-sandwich, right?
Post by: Nerjin on March 16, 2014, 11:18:41 pm
Nerjin: You do notice that Toaster is om nom nom'ing MOWE-sandwich, right?
Hm? What?
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2014, 11:21:00 pm
OM NOM NOM*points*
Post by: Toaster on March 17, 2014, 08:15:29 am
Toaster: If your wincon is to eat a sandwich or something, why are you trying so hard to lynch summoners?
Also, how does a cult make any sense at all with the flavour?
Who else would I lynch? Nerjin said the "town" (whatever that is) wincon is my backup wincon, so I might as well go for that just in case. I surmise that it summoners instead of evil people that is the "town" wincon.
Two responses to that. First, I'd argue that it doesn't have to make sense for there to be a cult. Second, look at the day start post:
In the center of the room sits Mr. Ansteras, the Robot Janitor, chanting in some forgotten tongue. [[Ohus Robosarusus theus Celestialus Bloomus, comeus tous usus soonus. Ohus Robosarusus theus Celestialus Bloomus...]] and so on and so forth for several minutes. Finally recognizing the class coming in Mr. Ansteras smiles wide causing lava to splash over his ceremonial robes which somehow remain unfirey.
"Hello children. It is a wonderful day is it not!? Robosaurus, the Celestial Bloom, is close. I can feel it in my circuitry. He'll save us! Just you watch. Dr. Nerjin disagrees but I know it to be true in my heart. Soon... Soon SOON! HAHAHA!" The Normally calm and suave Mr. Ansteras seems to be overjoyed at the prospect. Still none of you, openly, worship Robosaurus, the Celestial Bloom, so you decide to simply get back to your normal school day of not learning a damn thing and playing a game instead.
I see cult-y flavor!
I do agree with 4maskwolf being the best lynch unless someone can give me a damned good reason why. I still have no idea why anyone would want to lynch Leafsnail over Ranger- unless you're scumbuddies, but there's an awful lot of people to have as scumbuddies.
Unless he's the cult leader, of course.
That sounds a lot like Jim Groovester... :P
I think that's Toady, actually. It's in
Post by: Toaster on March 17, 2014, 08:16:29 am
4maskwolf: Any reason we shouldn't lynch you for having the ability to kill people and a giant fire spell of unknown effect? It sounds like the kind of thing that would be bad for everyone else - a kill-everything sort of thing? Your information about it is kind of scattered around- could you explain everything you know clearly and concisely please?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 08:23:36 am
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 17, 2014, 09:21:42 am
Alright, case settled!!!!
Now can we lynch Leafsnail please?
I guess we just, like Tiru said, vote Leafsnail at this point.!!!
No, we should not lynch Leafsnail. We should lynch the person with the potential to kill us all.
There is someone who has claimed he can kill people and has a giant fire spell of "unknown effect" that will happen at day end. SK + Doomspeaker(for this day's end, no less) is definitely someone we want to kill.
Why are you taking everything 4maskwolf says at face value?
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 17, 2014, 09:42:42 am
Hello Sheepy. May I call you Sheepy?You can call me whatever you want.
Because I use my abilities judiciously. I do not throw kills around lightly.
Dunno about the invincibility.
Brace yourselves is a reference to my big fire spell that some people knew about already.
What about kills that you have no control over - like the massive one at day end?
Toaster:
TheWetSheep:I suppose. Do you think that TDS's flip means the summoners are the evil people?Toaster: If your wincon is to eat a sandwich or something, why are you trying so hard to lynch summoners?
Also, how does a cult make any sense at all with the flavour?
Who else would I lynch? Nerjin said the "town" (whatever that is) wincon is my backup wincon, so I might as well go for that just in case. I surmise that it summoners instead of evil people that is the "town" wincon.
Two responses to that. First, I'd argue that it doesn't have to make sense for there to be a cult. Second, look at the day start post:
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Good point.In the center of the room sits Mr. Ansteras, the Robot Janitor, chanting in some forgotten tongue. [[Ohus Robosarusus theus Celestialus Bloomus, comeus tous usus soonus. Ohus Robosarusus theus Celestialus Bloomus...]] and so on and so forth for several minutes. Finally recognizing the class coming in Mr. Ansteras smiles wide causing lava to splash over his ceremonial robes which somehow remain unfirey.
"Hello children. It is a wonderful day is it not!? Robosaurus, the Celestial Bloom, is close. I can feel it in my circuitry. He'll save us! Just you watch. Dr. Nerjin disagrees but I know it to be true in my heart. Soon... Soon SOON! HAHAHA!" The Normally calm and suave Mr. Ansteras seems to be overjoyed at the prospect. Still none of you, openly, worship Robosaurus, the Celestial Bloom, so you decide to simply get back to your normal school day of not learning a damn thing and playing a game instead.
I see cult-y flavor!
That excerpt makes me wonder if there's a correlation between Robosaurus the Celestial Bloom and meteor-stopping angels?
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I do agree with 4maskwolf being the best lynch unless someone can give me a damned good reason why. I still have no idea why anyone would want to lynch Leafsnail over Ranger- unless you're scumbuddies, but there's an awful lot of people to have as scumbuddies.To verify that evil = summoner, I suppose.
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 12:11:24 pm
Who else would I lynch? Nerjin said the "town" (whatever that is) wincon is my backup wincon, so I might as well go for that just in case. I surmise that it summoners instead of evil people that is the "town" wincon.I suppose. Do you think that TDS's flip means the summoners are the evil people?
Two responses to that. First, I'd argue that it doesn't have to make sense for there to be a cult. Second, look at the day start post:
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Good point.In the center of the room sits Mr. Ansteras, the Robot Janitor, chanting in some forgotten tongue. [[Ohus Robosarusus theus Celestialus Bloomus, comeus tous usus soonus. Ohus Robosarusus theus Celestialus Bloomus...]] and so on and so forth for several minutes. Finally recognizing the class coming in Mr. Ansteras smiles wide causing lava to splash over his ceremonial robes which somehow remain unfirey.
"Hello children. It is a wonderful day is it not!? Robosaurus, the Celestial Bloom, is close. I can feel it in my circuitry. He'll save us! Just you watch. Dr. Nerjin disagrees but I know it to be true in my heart. Soon... Soon SOON! HAHAHA!" The Normally calm and suave Mr. Ansteras seems to be overjoyed at the prospect. Still none of you, openly, worship Robosaurus, the Celestial Bloom, so you decide to simply get back to your normal school day of not learning a damn thing and playing a game instead.
I see cult-y flavor!
That excerpt makes me wonder if there's a correlation between Robosaurus the Celestial Bloom and meteor-stopping angels?
[/quote]*reads Vectoria's first story*
Well..I guess that conclusion could be drawn as such.
...
And about the 4mask incident, I just find it weird that he'd be...claiming it all, only for it to go down straight against him. We've pushed until his limit on the knowledge there, and the fear of something unknown is pretty much...a bad thing in itself. Leads to bad conditions and conclusions.
Because I really doubt that 4mask would just go off, and directly claim the timing, sense and state of how he's going to do stuff, unless it's a well-made plan. A telegraphed bomb?
For bragging rights?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 17, 2014, 02:37:03 pm
Because I could take him out myself if I really wanted too, I have MOWE's sword, remember? I can almost guarantee that summoning a massive conflagration on someone would count as a hostile action, which means that if I found 4mask to be too dangerous to keep alive, I could murder his face with extreme prejudice.
So I don't need to vote him, because as long as I have this sword, I'm kinda above the law as far as it goes towards people threatening us. That said, I don't really feel the need right now to do that, because I don't feel like it warrants that right now.
Post by: Toaster on March 17, 2014, 02:47:24 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 17, 2014, 02:48:17 pm
Does said sword prevent the hostile action toward you?I doesn't say so, but I imagine that it is prioritized to go before the hostile action.
Post by: Toaster on March 17, 2014, 03:09:32 pm
The traditional Paranoid Gun Owner role (kills anyone who actions them) does not actually prevent the action itself- even if fatal.
Post by: Nerjin on March 17, 2014, 04:07:11 pm
Furthermore being overly aggressive or outright mean will result in a warning, followed by a modkill.
Just keep that in mind.
Vote count + Story when I get home.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 08:35:47 pm
And Nerjin, I know that was directed at me. The second part. My apologies.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 08:37:59 pm
4maskwolf:Sheepy: You are making the jump to concluding that my fire is hostile. In many cultures, fire was/is purifying, ritual fire purifying the body and soul.Hello Sheepy. May I call you Sheepy?You can call me whatever you want.
Because I use my abilities judiciously. I do not throw kills around lightly.
Dunno about the invincibility.
Brace yourselves is a reference to my big fire spell that some people knew about already.
What about kills that you have no control over - like the massive one at day end?
Just food for thought.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 08:39:31 pm
That's a dangerous assumption to make.Or, you know, that's only one person who gets KO'd if I'm guarded every night.
The traditional Paranoid Gun Owner role (kills anyone who actions them) does not actually prevent the action itself- even if fatal.
Just sayin.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 08:39:58 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 09:05:03 pm
Sheepy: You are making the jump to concluding that my fire is hostile. In many cultures, fire was/is purifying, ritual fire purifying the body and soul.Tell that to the item you just burned ;__;
Joking aside, if 4mask's ability IS an SK-Nuke, Toaster/TWS: I'd ask you to reconsider lynching him.
One is that I've an invisibility cloak that makes me immune to all actions since being worn. Second is the Lifeward I planted on mastahcheese which protects him from assault for the night and the whole day after. If he's a doomspeaker in that sense, then we'll be alive after said event and will be able to counter-lynch him (and that it takes care of any summoners anyways...unless y'all believe either me/Mr.Cheese is a summoner).
...Unless I have my guesses wrong?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:13:25 pm
So that's who I gave that too. I'd forgotten about that.Sheepy: You are making the jump to concluding that my fire is hostile. In many cultures, fire was/is purifying, ritual fire purifying the body and soul.Tell that to the item you just burned ;__;
Joking aside, if 4mask's ability IS an SK-Nuke, Toaster/TWS: I'd ask you to reconsider lynching him.
One is that I've an invisibility cloak that makes me immune to all actions since being worn. Second is the Lifeward I planted on mastahcheese which protects him from assault for the night and the whole day after. If he's a doomspeaker in that sense, then we'll be alive after said event and will be able to counter-lynch him (and that it takes care of any summoners anyways...unless y'all believe either me/Mr.Cheese is a summoner).
...Unless I have my guesses wrong?
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 09:20:57 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:34:13 pm
This argument isn't likely to hold much sway with them, as they'll end up dead anyway.Sheepy: You are making the jump to concluding that my fire is hostile. In many cultures, fire was/is purifying, ritual fire purifying the body and soul.Tell that to the item you just burned ;__;
Joking aside, if 4mask's ability IS an SK-Nuke, Toaster/TWS: I'd ask you to reconsider lynching him.
One is that I've an invisibility cloak that makes me immune to all actions since being worn. Second is the Lifeward I planted on mastahcheese which protects him from assault for the night and the whole day after. If he's a doomspeaker in that sense, then we'll be alive after said event and will be able to counter-lynch him (and that it takes care of any summoners anyways...unless y'all believe either me/Mr.Cheese is a summoner).
...Unless I have my guesses wrong?
You're a silly masked wolf. :PI suppose I haven't really been putting too much effort into playing this game, to be honest. There is too much I don't know about going on in this game, so I decided to be brutally honest.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:37:41 pm
Technically I only burned one item, and it being given to me after burning gave me the big fire burst ability.Sheepy: You are making the jump to concluding that my fire is hostile. In many cultures, fire was/is purifying, ritual fire purifying the body and soul.Tell that to the item you just burned ;__;
Post by: Toaster on March 17, 2014, 09:43:46 pm
Joking aside, if 4mask's ability IS an SK-Nuke, Toaster/TWS: I'd ask you to reconsider lynching him.
One is that I've an invisibility cloak that makes me immune to all actions since being worn. Second is the Lifeward I planted on mastahcheese which protects him from assault for the night and the whole day after. If he's a doomspeaker in that sense, then we'll be alive after said event and will be able to counter-lynch him (and that it takes care of any summoners anyways...unless y'all believe either me/Mr.Cheese is a summoner).
And if he's not? There are lots of doomspeakers who just simply end the game.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:44:29 pm
Tiruin:And nothing I have been sent even tells me I am a doomspeaker, much less one who ends the game regardless.Joking aside, if 4mask's ability IS an SK-Nuke, Toaster/TWS: I'd ask you to reconsider lynching him.
One is that I've an invisibility cloak that makes me immune to all actions since being worn. Second is the Lifeward I planted on mastahcheese which protects him from assault for the night and the whole day after. If he's a doomspeaker in that sense, then we'll be alive after said event and will be able to counter-lynch him (and that it takes care of any summoners anyways...unless y'all believe either me/Mr.Cheese is a summoner).
And if he's not? There are lots of doomspeakers who just simply end the game.
Post by: Nerjin on March 17, 2014, 09:45:23 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 09:48:03 pm
And if he's not? There are lots of doomspeakers who just simply end the game.Well that's always a possibility, but he's gone hard honesty right there, and given the people's roles, abilities, and other stuffs on the mechanics and this general game, I really doubt that there'd be a doomspeaker that would KILL US ALL. Or in the less, the presence OF a doomspeaker.
And nothing I have been sent even tells me I am a doomspeaker, much less one who ends the game regardless.Ask Nerjin!
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:48:45 pm
I asked him my one question already.And if he's not? There are lots of doomspeakers who just simply end the game.Well that's always a possibility, but he's gone hard honesty right there, and given the people's roles, abilities, and other stuffs on the mechanics and this general game, I really doubt that there'd be a doomspeaker that would KILL US ALL. Or in the less, the presence OF a doomspeaker.And nothing I have been sent even tells me I am a doomspeaker, much less one who ends the game regardless.Ask Nerjin!
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 09:50:38 pm
Ask him your guess-question.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:50:59 pm
That was a special question.mmokay
Ask him your guess-question.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:52:00 pm
Post by: Nerjin on March 17, 2014, 09:53:08 pm
Message sent. Also, Tiruin, check your inbox.
And then send ME the PM lest 4mask be modkilled.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:53:41 pm
Nerjin, it was about a different thing, calm yourself.
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 09:54:08 pm
Also I thought we shouldn't PM peoples other than the mod?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:54:36 pm
I have no new mail, btw. :PIt wasn't game related, for the second time.
Also I thought we shouldn't PM peoples other than the mod?
Post by: Nerjin on March 17, 2014, 09:55:23 pm
PPE: Ah, I see. Okay. Just want to be safe yo.
PPE 2; Edit Harder: YOu really shouldn't. BUT if it's unrelated to mafia I don't really care. I trust you guys to forward it to me if it is in any way shape or form.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:56:06 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:56:56 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 09:57:32 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:58:20 pm
I do believe you shoulld've mentioned the context of your PM-post-note (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136990.msg5099454#msg5099454) before saying it. :Pwha...
That was in no way...
what?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 09:59:15 pm
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 17, 2014, 10:03:44 pm
That's still way too unpredictable for my liking. I don't want two thirds of the players suddenly dying when we know so little.Sheepy: You are making the jump to concluding that my fire is hostile. In many cultures, fire was/is purifying, ritual fire purifying the body and soul.Tell that to the item you just burned ;__;
Joking aside, if 4mask's ability IS an SK-Nuke, Toaster/TWS: I'd ask you to reconsider lynching him.
One is that I've an invisibility cloak that makes me immune to all actions since being worn. Second is the Lifeward I planted on mastahcheese which protects him from assault for the night and the whole day after. If he's a doomspeaker in that sense, then we'll be alive after said event and will be able to counter-lynch him (and that it takes care of any summoners anyways...unless y'all believe either me/Mr.Cheese is a summoner).
...Unless I have my guesses wrong?
4mask:
Sheepy: You are making the jump to concluding that my fire is hostile. In many cultures, fire was/is purifying, ritual fire purifying the body and soul.True, but most cultures agree that fire, in large doses, kills people.
It's a lot more of a stretch to say that your fire will have no harmful effect on us, especially since you don't even know anything about it yourself.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 10:04:55 pm
Tiruin:How large of a dose is large? What is the recommended daily allowance of fire?That's still way too unpredictable for my liking. I don't want two thirds of the players suddenly dying when we know so little.Sheepy: You are making the jump to concluding that my fire is hostile. In many cultures, fire was/is purifying, ritual fire purifying the body and soul.Tell that to the item you just burned ;__;
Joking aside, if 4mask's ability IS an SK-Nuke, Toaster/TWS: I'd ask you to reconsider lynching him.
One is that I've an invisibility cloak that makes me immune to all actions since being worn. Second is the Lifeward I planted on mastahcheese which protects him from assault for the night and the whole day after. If he's a doomspeaker in that sense, then we'll be alive after said event and will be able to counter-lynch him (and that it takes care of any summoners anyways...unless y'all believe either me/Mr.Cheese is a summoner).
...Unless I have my guesses wrong?
4mask:Sheepy: You are making the jump to concluding that my fire is hostile. In many cultures, fire was/is purifying, ritual fire purifying the body and soul.True, but most cultures agree that fire, in large doses, kills people.
It's a lot more of a stretch to say that your fire will have no harmful effect on us, especially since you don't even know anything about it yourself.
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 10:06:28 pm
That's still way too unpredictable for my liking. I don't want two thirds of the players suddenly dying when we know so little.True, but then this is a 'semi' bastard game.
Wherein my guesses (which do 99% appear to be true), fall on the note of 'wincon' and 'lacking scumchat' given LS' and team Evil's slip.
And it would be really bastardry to actually have 4mask as a doomspeaker that would have D4 LOL U LOSE as an inevitable before we find out anything at all about him.
So I guess survivor-type.
Oh you people. xDTrue, but most cultures agree that fire, in large doses, kills people.How large of a dose is large? What is the recommended daily allowance of fire?
It's a lot more of a stretch to say that your fire will have no harmful effect on us, especially since you don't even know anything about it yourself.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 10:07:43 pm
PPE: ninja'd by Tiruin.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 10:08:19 pm
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 17, 2014, 11:04:31 pm
How large of a dose is large?Seven.
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What is the recommended daily allowance of fire?Three.
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And for that matter, where does fire fall on the food pyramid? On Maslow's hierarchy of needs?Wherever you dropped it, I would imagine.
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Is fire a thing or just human perception?Since fire is certainly not the entirety of human perception, it would have to be a thing, if those are the only two options.
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How does magic work, and how does that interact with fire?Not very well; it's got a terrible work ethic. Always checking Facebook and Reddit on the job. Fire, on the other hand, is very efficient. I'd recommend it for any position you're looking to fill.
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What is the meaning of life and where does fire come in on that.Everyone knows that the meaning of life is forty-two. The only things that fire and forty-two have in common are the 'f' and the 'r', so fire is one quarter of the meaning of life(or two ninths, if you're counting characters instead of letters).
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Post by: 4maskwolf on March 17, 2014, 11:05:49 pm
That was plenty witty. I honestly wasn't expecting an answer to those.How large of a dose is large?Seven.QuoteWhat is the recommended daily allowance of fire?Three.QuoteAnd for that matter, where does fire fall on the food pyramid? On Maslow's hierarchy of needs?Wherever you dropped it, I would imagine.QuoteIs fire a thing or just human perception?Since fire is certainly not the entirety of human perception, it would have to be a thing, if those are the only two options.QuoteHow does magic work, and how does that interact with fire?Not very well; it's got a terrible work ethic. Always checking Facebook and Reddit on the job. Fire, on the other hand, is very efficient. I'd recommend it for any position you're looking to fill.QuoteWhat is the meaning of life and where does fire come in on that.Everyone knows that the meaning of life is forty-two. The only things that fire and forty-two have in common are the 'f' and the 'r', so fire is one quarter of the meaning of life(or two ninths, if you're counting characters instead of letters).Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: mastahcheese on March 17, 2014, 11:16:24 pm
Yet.
Maybe they have or had a delay, like 4mask did, and the longer we give them, the sooner they'll be able to.
So I support Tiruin's theory.
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2014, 11:25:23 pm
...I actually have to agree with Tiruin on this one. I mean, we haven't been under fire from NKs, but maybe that's because they can't.Or I actually protected someone thrice. :P
Yet.
Maybe they have or had a delay, like 4mask did, and the longer we give them, the sooner they'll be able to.
So I support Tiruin's theory.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 17, 2014, 11:46:19 pm
...You do have a point in that one....I actually have to agree with Tiruin on this one. I mean, we haven't been under fire from NKs, but maybe that's because they can't.Or I actually protected someone thrice. :P
Yet.
Maybe they have or had a delay, like 4mask did, and the longer we give them, the sooner they'll be able to.
So I support Tiruin's theory.
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 18, 2014, 09:39:24 am
...I actually have to agree with Tiruin on this one. I mean, we haven't been under fire from NKs, but maybe that's because they can't.But now 4mask can kill people. You'd rather go off the assumption that summoners are going to somehow get a nightkill tonight than lynch the person who we know has one(and possibly a game-ending ability).
Yet.
Maybe they have or had a delay, like 4mask did, and the longer we give them, the sooner they'll be able to.
So I support Tiruin's theory.
Just a reminder that day ends today.
Post by: Tiruin on March 18, 2014, 10:09:43 am
Which is explicitly what the book says should not get the book.
And we got lucky in getting TDS out.
Which I doubt.
Post by: Nerjin on March 18, 2014, 05:50:35 pm
Why isn't it here already? Is the comet slow? Is it shy? Is it waiting for something? Maybe somebody should ask the Meteor how he feels! Or whatever... Just go about your business...
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
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4maskwolf - TheWetSheep, Toaster [2]
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Ext.)Leafsnail – Tiruin, 4mask, mastahcheese [3 - Lynch Target]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
(Ext.) RangerCado -
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Toaster -
Not Voting – Caz, HissihnWalnuts, Leafsnail, makeinu, RangerCado [5]
Day 3 will end: Wednesday 19, 2014 at 10PM [~28 hours]
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 18, 2014, 07:17:46 pm
Well if that's the case then 4mask is Evil. And against Not Evils.I'm... not entirely sure I follow the logic you just used. I couldn't get a good gist of it from the short sentences.
Which is explicitly what the book says should not get the book.
And we got lucky in getting TDS out.
Which I doubt.
Post by: Tiruin on March 19, 2014, 01:05:26 am
Yeah, paraphrased.
I have a note that if one of those 'BAD' wizards gets it, things could get really bad.
Is 4mask bad, is the question? If he was a third-party doomspeaker, given the context of THIS WHOLE GAME (including its mechanics), then it would be truly bastardry to make him END the game at end of DAY 4 given all the speculation and hype we've been through.
Post by: Toaster on March 19, 2014, 07:37:04 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 19, 2014, 08:38:14 am
It is a (semi) bastard- game ender third parties are within scope.So they may be. Tiruin, day 4 just happened to be the day because I had recieved an item in the mail I had burned night 1 the same night.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 19, 2014, 09:15:03 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 19, 2014, 09:16:32 pm
4maskwolfI call bullshit.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 19, 2014, 09:17:23 pm
Post by: Nerjin on March 19, 2014, 09:23:47 pm
Post by: Nerjin on March 19, 2014, 09:37:52 pm
extend
"So... Who's going to my party this friday?" One of the students asked the others.
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
------------------------
4maskwolf - TheWetSheep, Toaster, Leafsnail [3 - Tie]
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Ext.)Leafsnail – Tiruin, 4mask, mastahcheese [3 - Tie]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
(Ext.) RangerCado -
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Toaster -
Not Voting – Caz, HissihnWalnuts, makeinu, RangerCado [5]
Day 3 will end: Thursday 20, 2014 at 10PM [~24 hours]
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 19, 2014, 09:41:04 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 19, 2014, 09:46:41 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on March 19, 2014, 09:48:36 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 19, 2014, 09:55:08 pm
Ok, for claimed scum, you really can't expect a better reason than that.
Post by: Toaster on March 19, 2014, 11:09:16 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 20, 2014, 12:13:07 am
4maskwolfYou're ALIVE!!! <3
*looks at day end*
Ooooh, classic scum move (in my 'I don't like to do this as scum, doing this' book). ;__;
Why, Leafsnail...why?
:( I was right!
Well you see I was about to be lynched, so I decided to try and tie the lynch and thus save myself....Honesty hurts.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 20, 2014, 12:12:00 pm
Post by: RangerCado on March 20, 2014, 12:32:18 pm
Post by: Nerjin on March 20, 2014, 12:55:25 pm
Request replacement Also, is mad at Nerjin at one point in a rant.
Fair enough. I can appreciate that. I hope this doesn't get in the way of our other games though. I do hope to see you around mafia some more in the future.
That being said... Something came up today so... Mod Extend
The Day has been extended until Friday 21st at 5PM [~28 hours]
Sorry guys...
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2014, 01:53:35 am
Shorten, perhaps?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 21, 2014, 05:41:39 am
And about the 4mask incident, I just find it weird that he'd be...claiming it all, only for it to go down straight against him. We've pushed until his limit on the knowledge there, and the fear of something unknown is pretty much...a bad thing in itself. Leads to bad conditions and conclusions."I find it odd that scum would claim as such, and don't believe apparently scum claims ever"
Because I really doubt that 4mask would just go off, and directly claim the timing, sense and state of how he's going to do stuff, unless it's a well-made plan. A telegraphed bomb?
For bragging rights?
So...in lieu of Leafsnail's recent appearance, are we in consensus about the lynch and that the scumteam slipped up earlier in D1 regarding their visibility?"The entire scumteam clearly claimed day one, don't question this assumption"
This is an incredibly obvious contradiction and I'm surprised no-one's noticed it yet.
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2014, 07:53:23 am
If you're going to formulate a case or a reply, please at least make it more than the recentmost 10 posts, please?
I didn't post because I got tired of arguing the same point back and forth with Tiruin forever and I don't even know my win condition so why should I, but I'd like to briefly point something out.::)
Yes, let's all blame Tiruin.
Tiruin who has been the only one fighting on that point.
Oh let's just shut up and give up.
That was the voice that kept on talking to me since NQT died.
I fought on, bud.
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2014, 08:01:05 am
I didn't post because I got tired of arguing the same point back and forth with Tiruin forever and I don't even know my win condition so why should I, but I'd like to briefly point something out.I did post because I actually cared about the game and actually argued with people since forever and I don't even know my win condition so I bothered, but I'd like to shove this plate of bitterness back at you so you know how it feels and advise not to do it again.
Of note, I like how you easily snip part of the argument on 4mask and connect it to another snippet about my formulated suspicion on you guys.
Real nice.
Post by: birdy51 on March 21, 2014, 12:28:17 pm
I don't know exactly what I am walking into, but I don't mind joining this late in if it helps out. I want to see this game and your efforts played to it's natural end.
Post by: Nerjin on March 21, 2014, 12:30:30 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2014, 12:33:37 pm
Hi Nerjin!
Post by: Nerjin on March 21, 2014, 12:37:32 pm
Hi Nerjin!
Uh... Hello Tiruin. Favorite living player of mine. How are you? I am good. YOu didn't answer the call that I didn't make. It made me sad. Stop bumping my calls.
-Signed Nerjin
PS: Day ends in about 4.5 hours.
Post by: birdy51 on March 21, 2014, 12:51:09 pm
Okay, you're cado at the end of the day. Not yet though. Best prepare yourself.
I shall do my best to be Rangercado, ableit not RangerCado. Assuming I don't die horribly before the day ends. Which is a distinct possibility!
A word of warning will likely not have a computer for the very beginning portion of the Night from about 6:00 PM onwards until Saturday afternoon. After that, I can contribute any night actions if necessary. Assuming I am still alive, I may try to experiment a little bit.
Oh hey, birdy! Nice to see you back (and with a FE avatar :O)
Hi Nerjin!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 21, 2014, 02:39:23 pm
Birdy: Good to see you back. Just a heads up, I think you're next on the chopping block.
Post by: Caz on March 21, 2014, 03:19:34 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 21, 2014, 03:33:38 pm
Post by: Nerjin on March 21, 2014, 04:34:43 pm
"No! No one wants to go to your stupid parties! You're so frieken weird just get out." One of the students said, throwing a tomato at the embarrassed youth.
"B-but..."
"Hell, I bet HE helped summon the meteor!" Another one of the students claimed.
"W-well yeah but..."
"HE ADMITS IT!"
"GIVE HIM TO DR. NERJIN!"
"NO! DR. NERJIN IS TOO KIND FOR THIS FREAK!"
"Oh come on guys..." Leafsnail meekly protested. He only wanted friends. The summoners were so nice to him. They said they'd come hang out at his house [they never did] and tell him funny stories [never did], and that they'd exact revenge on everyone who wouldn't be friends with him [appeared to be failing spectacularly on that front too.]
The poor, sad, dejected, hopeless, friendless, happiless, and all around sorroful Leafsnail slowly walked out of the room. If they didn't want him around, wouldn't let him explain his side of the story, he'd just go to the Nurse's office. Say he had a sick stomach. With tears in his eyes Leafsnail left the classroom.
Mr. Ansteras could only look on in sorrow. He always liked Leafsnail. He was a good kid. His only problem was that he'd do anything for friends, or even for people who claimed to be his friends. It was pretty sad really. Maybe if anyone else in the class was kind to him he would have turned out better.
Leafsnail has been lynched! He was an Evil Wizard - Necromancer. He was aligned with the Summoners!
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
------------------------
4maskwolf - Leafsnail [1]
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
(Ext.)Leafsnail – Tiruin, 4mask, mastahcheese, Toaster, TheWetSheep, Caz, [5 - Lynched]
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
(Ext.) Birdy51 -
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Toaster -
Not Voting – HissihnWalnuts, makeinu, Birdy51
Night 3 will end on Tuesday, March 25
Post by: Nerjin on March 22, 2014, 09:26:24 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 22, 2014, 09:29:57 pm
Caz has requested Replacement.Hope you're ok, Caz. :'(
...
*goes back to being silent*
*typing sounds*
Post by: Nerjin on March 26, 2014, 09:19:05 pm
Post by: Nerjin on March 27, 2014, 09:26:28 pm
The innumerable hordes of Galaxis were attempting to slow their enemy’s progress. Enemy. Singular. The demons fought tooth and nail, breath and tentacle, psion and magic, flame and ice. The sheer number of demons were enough to cause a gravitational pull almost on par with a Black Hole. Still all of their efforts were in vain. Their adversary did not seem to notice their attempts at slowing him down. For none could stop Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom.
”Is this the best you could do Galaxis? I honestly expected better.” the handsome robot dinosaur angel said as he slowly walked [through space no less] towards his target.
To his credit Galaxis did not flinch. He did not move. He knew he could not win, yet he felt that simply rolling over would do Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom no justice. “Yes,” Galaxis clicked his giant maw in a sick approximation of speech “I could do far better! I SHALL ENTER TH-“
”Hold on, I have to take this call.” Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom roared as he effortlessly destroyed every trace of Galaxis’ great horde. Not even their blood remained, so great was his power.
“What!? How!”
”QUIET!” Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom bellowed in his perfectly smooth voice. Imagine the sexiest voice ever. That’s the closest you could possibly come to comprehending how perfect his voice was. If you heard it in full you’re head would explode from sheer joy.
”Yes sir…”
”Well, it would seem you survive today Galaxis. I could kill you now, but your horde was entertaining at the very least. Try to put on a better show next time.” Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom laughed melodically before flying away from Galaxis without any more explanation.
“HERE HE COMES!” Mr. Ansteras shouted as he kneeled on the ground looking towards the sky, rivers of lava erupting from his mouth.
“Um… Who?” Toaster asked surprisingly non-robotically. The class was standing outside in a freshly mown meadow on a literal field-trip.
“HERE HE COMES!” Mr. Ansteras shouted as he kneeled on the ground looking towards the sky, rivers of lava erupting from his mouth.
“You guys realize he’s been doing the same paragraph for about two hours now right?” One of the students pointed out to the others.
“HERE HE COMES!” Mr. Ansteras shouted as he kneeled on the ground looking toward the sky, rivers of lava erupting from his mouth.
“Wow, I bet I can guess what he says next…”
“HERE HE IS!!! HE’S GLORIOUS!”
“Well that’s-“ and then they saw him.
Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom plummeted… No… That’s a far too barbaric word for what he did. He floated… too dainty… Never-the-less he arrived in the field, much to the delight of Mr. Ansteras who squeeled like a two year old girl getting all the candy ever made.
“ROBOSAURUS, ROAR OF THE CELESTIAL BLOOM! MY HERO! HE’S COME TO SAVE US ALL!”
”Hm? Oh, hello Mr. Ansteras.”
“YOU KNOW MY NAME!?” If possible, Mr. Ansteras’ glee became unbearable for him. It was too much.
”I know many things. Now, what is it that you humans want?
“TO BASK IN YOUR ETERNAL GLORY!” Mr. Ansteras raved loudly.
”Permission granted.” Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom said as he ate Mr. Ansteras in one bite.
Yet despite that, none of the students were worried. Everyone knew that being eaten by Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom was Mr. Ansteras’ secret ambition all along. Plus he was a robot. So he was being assimilated into Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom's form as you read this.
”Well… While I’m here should I do something about that meteor for you?”
“Yes! Please!” Shouted the class to their new metallic ally.
”Well I’d love to. But I can’t.”
“What!? Why not!” The class shouted so hard they forgot the question mark after Why Not.
”I need a Blaser.”
“A… what?”
”Part of the contract.”
Well that was a bummer… Oh! Also, 4maskwolf has been killed. But seriously, who cares… Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom.
Toaster has won! He was a Robot!
4maskwolf has been night killed! He was a Fire Wizard!
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
------------------------
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
(Ext.) Birdy51 -
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom -
Not Voting – EVERYONE!
Day 5 has started! Day 5 will end on April 1st, 2014 at 10PM. [~100+ Hours]
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 27, 2014, 09:29:49 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 27, 2014, 09:30:40 pm
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 27, 2014, 09:41:39 pm
Birdy: You're replacing in for Ranger, right? Why shouldn't we lynch you, if you're evil and a meteor summoner? Please claim everything you know.
Post by: Toaster on March 27, 2014, 10:22:01 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 27, 2014, 10:38:42 pm
I was expecting something huge to happen, but..
OK, people are actually getting night-killed now.
Birdy: You're replacing in for Ranger, right? Why shouldn't we lynch you, if you're evil and a meteor summoner? Please claim everything you know.^This.
Birdy
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 12:09:13 am
Tiruin strokes his beard as he ponders on the situation. "People, let Birdy speak (despite everything else that had happened). It is rude to just throw him out like this."
Tiruin bowed at the Robosaurus and noted that one among them was missing. He took out a book which depicted quite a tale of fantasy, adventure and song. The book itself rivaled the theme and prowess of the epics written long before the current time, and seeing the lack of a person, he spoke.
Well that was a bummer… Oh! Also, 4maskwolf has been killed. But seriously, who cares… Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom.One does not simply say that 4maskwolf has been killed.
Tiruin then awaited everyone else's words on the matter.
Also, birdy.
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 12:11:25 am
... Winnars.You disappoint me. :I
Post by: mastahcheese on March 28, 2014, 12:12:44 am
Then I'm voting his butt.
Post by: Nerjin on March 28, 2014, 12:16:59 am
"SUP BITCHES!" 4mask yelled aloud as he strode into the room.
"What? We thought you were dead!" Cried one of the children.
"Fuck that jazz I'm here to boogie-woogie bitches!"
Also, 4mask talks like that now. Because why not?
4maskwolf has been ressurected!
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
------------------------
4maskwolf
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
(Ext.) Birdy51 - TheWetSheep,
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom -
Not Voting – EVERYONE!
Day 5 has started! Day 5 will end on April 1st, 2014 at 10PM. [~100+ Hours]
Post by: mastahcheese on March 28, 2014, 12:19:56 am
HIYA 4MASK!
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 12:24:26 am
._.
SUDDENLY!!!Resized for emphasis.
"SUP BITCHES!" 4mask yelled aloud as he strode into the room.
"What? We thought you were dead!" Cried one of the children.
"Fuck that jazz I'm here to boogie-woogie bitches!"
Also, 4mask talks like that now. Because why not?
4maskwolf has been ressurected!
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
------------------------
4maskwolf
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
(Ext.) Birdy51 - TheWetSheep,
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom -
Not Voting – EVERYONE!
Day 5 has started! Day 5 will end on April 1st, 2014 at 10PM. [~100+ Hours]
Uh.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 28, 2014, 12:33:51 am
I don't even.
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 12:44:35 am
What if Robosaurus?
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 12:48:38 am
mastahcheese: Inspect results thanks.
Caz: What did you feel last night?
H. Walnuts: Why didn't you do mostly anything the whole game? Also what did you learn this whole game?
Also why aren't you posting for your first game in Mafia?
TWS: How's life treating you?
4mask
EEEEEERRRRRGGGGHHHH I WASN'T GOING TO KILL ANY OF YOU YOU REALIZE BUT NOW I AM DEAD AND THAT IS SAD AND ASJCHKDMVRLCESDRMJKNFEKXSMKKJVMERCDEWJCMFGMVJKMCXSDNEGVCEWML.u is ded. :O
How did death feel?
makeinu: I miss you and you haven't posted at all since ever and I hope work hasn't killed you. Also :(
Robosaurus: Hello there! Could you get us (or at least, me) a hallpass so I could go to the library?
Nerjin: I look outside the window: What do I see?
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 12:49:25 am
I think you mistook the votecount?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 28, 2014, 12:54:16 am
Post by: mastahcheese on March 28, 2014, 01:00:06 am
mastahcheese: Inspect results thanks.I inspected 4mask, since he was about to OMGFIREBALL to see if he was actually scum or something.
Well, that didn't exactly turn out to be helpful, as now you can quite clearly see that he is not scum, from the death-flip.
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 01:03:14 am
Tiruin: I have learned that I should never play mafia again because of the rampant hostility to new players. And two, I've been trying to figure out all of the different conversations going....That's a valid note to learn.
But a really wrong note to inculcate. We are not hostile towards new players: this is how the regular games are played--the foundation and basis is on Logic, foremost. As said in the BMs, if you bring the idea of flippancy and lacking detail to any discussion (in which I say that B12 Mafia is more of rhetoric than any kind of brevity other people play Mafia as), you will get eaten alive in a regular game, here.
>_>
Hence why we really suggest new players to play in a simpler game--because in these complex games, we are pretty much quick to go into details and discussion; something which I believe newbies may not grasp in all its entirety at first glance.
Also seriously, rampant? >.>
*pats Hissin*
Play more Mafia, denounce that illusion that we're hostile and rawrawrawr, ok?
Now what exactly is getting on your nerves?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 28, 2014, 01:04:39 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 01:10:28 am
Perhaps the way at the beginning of the round everyone reprimanded me for doing anything BUT being silent, now its seems the opposite.Uh?
People reprimanded you because you were talking? No. Look at the details of your posts. We do not attack people to make them quiet. >_>
And now? Yeah. Now. Silence is the death of all games. Lacking communication is the death of all games.
Being silent does not help anyone but the scumteam (with appropriate factional kill).
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 28, 2014, 01:12:57 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 01:15:49 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 01:32:16 am
So when I start the game and notice someone isn't talking, and people question why I find it suspicious? Now... goddamnit! MAKE SOME GOD DAMN SENSE WHILE YOUR AT IT!What exactly do you understand about now (and before)? I can't understand you because you're using very general terms.
Like, "Talking" is a general term. Detail what you mean by that.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 28, 2014, 01:34:41 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 01:48:26 am
But when you say people poking at what you say, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949882#msg4949882) I mean that you should watch your words and think how they'd be interpreted.
Check your rhetoric (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135628.msg4949931#msg4949931). Here's a hypothetical: How will you start a conversation on finding scum if you don't do anything?
Post by: Nerjin on March 28, 2014, 04:58:48 am
Meh, let's be silly.
What if Robosaurus?
You realize that voting Robosaurus would be a very bad idea and quickly change your mind on the subject matter. As proof
Quote from: Tiruin
No Vote
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 28, 2014, 08:34:55 am
4mask: details on what your big fire spell did. How you died. Why you died if possible(?) and how you came back, please.1. Oh, it shattered a bunch of items. The scum was afraid of me, so they killed me, I think. And you know exactly how I came back, don't you. What gave you that power?
4maskEEEEEERRRRRGGGGHHHH I WASN'T GOING TO KILL ANY OF YOU YOU REALIZE BUT NOW I AM DEAD AND THAT IS SAD AND ASJCHKDMVRLCESDRMJKNFEKXSMKKJVMERCDEWJCMFGMVJKMCXSDNEGVCEWML.u is ded. :O
How did death feel?
2. Death feels like death, honestly. Not bad at all...
Nerjin: Am I allowed to talk about the stuff said in deadchat up until my resurrection?
Birdy on a perch: I'm back, scumbiscuit
Walnuts: ...don't you remember cheese and I trying to walk you through how to play mafia? I thought you were coming along quite well. This was just a suboptimal game for beginners.
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 08:42:11 am
Nyancat.4mask: details on what your big fire spell did. How you died. Why you died if possible(?) and how you came back, please.1. Oh, it shattered a bunch of items. The scum was afraid of me, so they killed me, I think. And you know exactly how I came back, don't you. What gave you that power?
4maskEEEEEERRRRRGGGGHHHH I WASN'T GOING TO KILL ANY OF YOU YOU REALIZE BUT NOW I AM DEAD AND THAT IS SAD AND ASJCHKDMVRLCESDRMJKNFEKXSMKKJVMERCDEWJCMFGMVJKMCXSDNEGVCEWML.u is ded. :O
How did death feel?
Walnuts: ...don't you remember cheese and I trying to walk you through how to play mafia? I thought you were coming along quite well. This was just a suboptimal game for beginners.This. u_u
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 28, 2014, 08:43:49 am
...I'll take your word for it.Nyancat.4mask: details on what your big fire spell did. How you died. Why you died if possible(?) and how you came back, please.1. Oh, it shattered a bunch of items. The scum was afraid of me, so they killed me, I think. And you know exactly how I came back, don't you. What gave you that power?
4maskEEEEEERRRRRGGGGHHHH I WASN'T GOING TO KILL ANY OF YOU YOU REALIZE BUT NOW I AM DEAD AND THAT IS SAD AND ASJCHKDMVRLCESDRMJKNFEKXSMKKJVMERCDEWJCMFGMVJKMCXSDNEGVCEWML.u is ded. :O
How did death feel?
I probs should have nk'd Cado/Birdy last night, shouldn't I have?
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 09:49:23 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 28, 2014, 10:01:24 am
You have a NK?My burny thing I can do. I told you I uninhibited it, so I burn people and items. This isn't the big night blast, this is my original burn that is single target.
Post by: birdy51 on March 28, 2014, 12:38:29 pm
Birdy: You're replacing in for Ranger, right? Why shouldn't we lynch you, if you're evil and a meteor summoner? Please claim everything you know.
Busy, busy, busy Birdy, but I shall endeavor to answer some questions.
The true question you should be asking now is, why haven't you all lynched me yet? All outward indications point to me being scum, and I am rather surprised that I'm not dead yet because of it. Hell, I'm still surprised at the mess on my end revolving around my ruined wincon is still allowing me to play at all. However, I shall endeavor to tell you what I know.
First, I shall confirm what Rangercado has said. Yes, I am undeniably EVIL. So there's that. It is also true that I was associated with the Summoners and I was one of the people who brought this fiery meter down upon the school. However, what perplexes me now is that I am not actually a part of the scum team. I am just really, really depressed now because I couldn't find love. In fact, that has been my status for the last few days now. Sad, depressed, and crying. It's all rather... Well, depressing.
Especially after my mirror was burnt to ashes, which I suppose caused my character even more anxiety, because she's still crying about it. I suppose considering you are a fire mage, you had something to do with that one 4mask. >.> Thanks. A lot.
...Also... Blergh. Also, time constraints are killing me right now. Ask me some direct questions. I'm still trying to wrap my head around what I can do about this mess, and it may help if I can know just what you guys want to know about, so we can combine on information on how we can stop this meteor.
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 01:25:06 pm
So, game over for team evil?
Seriously, what perplexes me is why you guys would utterly lie and defend each other in regard to me poking SUMMONER at you (...not you, Cado)
Yeah, in your face. :I
That's the one thing that set me off.
OH, also you accept hugs right?
Hug birdy51/RangerCado.
Post by: birdy51 on March 28, 2014, 01:46:36 pm
Hug birdy51/RangerCado.
*Birdy51 chirps happily.*
I accept hugs. Although, you tone confuses me a little bit. Just what is exactly is perplexing you? I need context. :-\
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 02:07:16 pm
Also, they did not admit they were summoners.
Post by: birdy51 on March 28, 2014, 03:06:09 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 03:12:57 pm
I am just really, really depressed now because I couldn't find love. In fact, that has been my status for the last few days now. Sad, depressed, and crying. It's all rather... Well, depressing.Yeah, I only remembered NQT was the only other person who's dead. I'm a bad mage. :/
Especially after my mirror was burnt to ashes, which I suppose caused my character even more anxiety, because she's still crying about it. I suppose considering you are a fire mage, you had something to do with that one 4mask. >.> Thanks. A lot.
Also, roles like these grab my heart and twist it.
Argh my empathy. :-\
Post by: birdy51 on March 28, 2014, 03:14:15 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 03:16:14 pm
But I cannot heal love. u_u
I am sorry.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 28, 2014, 08:11:33 pm
I am perplexed as to what to do in this situation.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 28, 2014, 08:19:04 pm
That's what we do.
Nerjin: In case it gets lost, am I allowed to speak about what I saw in the deadchat that occurred prior to my resurrection. I have not checked the deadchat since.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 28, 2014, 10:42:25 pm
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 28, 2014, 11:30:38 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 11:47:03 pm
I wish this game was partly like reality in which...it ain't linear, y'know?
Birdy, I should've resurrected NQT.
Post by: Tiruin on March 28, 2014, 11:47:31 pm
Yeah sorry Birdy, But the evidence does point to you. And yes I actually figured out what was happening with this part of the game.I'd advise you to join a BM after this. :)
No...hard feelings?
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 29, 2014, 02:05:50 am
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 09:10:35 am
Depending on things and who is available, I may (highly unlikely I would even be allowed to) run the next one, and with me out that would leave a spot open.Bowel Movement?Beginner Mafia? I cant seem to be on when they start.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 09:11:09 am
:C*sad face*
I wish this game was partly like reality in which...it ain't linear, y'know?
Birdy, I should've resurrected NQT.
Post by: birdy51 on March 29, 2014, 09:34:03 am
But a word of warning. I have suspicions this game won't be over when I'm gone. There is still the little problem of, well you know. The meteor. Arguably, I am a bit useless due to depression so I am not going to advocate for myself sticking around, but you need to find someone among you who is capable of stopping it.
Otherwise lynching me was essentially just to fill space, since the original issue still remains.
Post by: birdy51 on March 29, 2014, 09:41:50 am
4Maskwolf: Why did you burn my mirror? You must have known that I had it earlier, with considerations made that RangerCado stated as such. This action strikes me as a bit odd.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 09:44:08 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 29, 2014, 09:47:37 am
How did you die anyways, out of curiosity?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 09:49:21 am
Stop calling me scumbiscuit. >.>Don't play that game. TDS told me how I died.
How did you die anyways, out of curiosity?
Post by: birdy51 on March 29, 2014, 10:11:47 am
Don't play that game. TDS told me how I died.
TDS?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 10:24:59 am
Yes. The Dark Star.Don't play that game. TDS told me how I died.
TDS?
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2014, 10:26:10 am
So. How did you die?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 10:27:04 am
...You didn't burn THIS BOOK?! D:<I got killed by an evil person.
So. How did you die?
Did Caz ever roleclaim? Or Walnuts?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 10:27:27 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 29, 2014, 12:25:16 pm
Context man!
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 12:40:31 pm
Wait... Did all it say that you were killed by an evil person, or was something else involved?I was. And since we know you are evil, we lynch you today and if that doesn't end the game, I kill someone at night. And I think I have the list narrowed down to a couple of people if lynching you doesn't work.
Context man!
Post by: birdy51 on March 29, 2014, 12:47:11 pm
Why are you so prickly on how you died and what makes you so certain it was me?
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2014, 12:54:57 pm
Wut.
I'm not being sad that I resurrected you instead of him! D:
I mean that this power is consecutive...
Yep on both counts. Caz is a joker-type who 'wins with town' and Walnuts is some kind of daughter of dracula who is grounded. Caz said she had a portable(?) black hole as a starter item but then nothing came out of it nor did anyone say they had it afterwards (it was used, hinted by her, and was 'useless'.)...You didn't burn THIS BOOK?! D:<I got killed by an evil person.
So. How did you die?
Did Caz ever roleclaim? Or Walnuts?
PPE: Hmm?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 01:19:48 pm
You haven't answered my question.I was killed by an evil person. That is what he said. You are the only known evil player. So, logically, assuming there isn't some sort of evil cult, you are the one who killed me.
Why are you so prickly on how you died and what makes you so certain it was me?
Post by: birdy51 on March 29, 2014, 01:29:03 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 01:30:16 pm
Was that all? No accompanying flavor text or the like?I'm telling you what one of your teammates told me. The flavor text was something about not having a pulse anymore.
Post by: birdy51 on March 29, 2014, 01:58:54 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 02:15:54 pm
Wait... So you are taking the word of confessed scum... At face value?IN deadchat. When they didn't know there was a revive. They had no reason to lie.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 02:23:31 pm
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 29, 2014, 02:25:07 pm
Although:
”Well… While I’m here should I do something about that meteor for you?”Anyone know how we can get a Blaser?
“Yes! Please!” Shouted the class to their new metallic ally.
”Well I’d love to. But I can’t.”
“What!? Why not!” The class shouted so hard they forgot the question mark after Why Not.
”I need a Blaser.”
“A… what?”
”Part of the contract.”
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 02:29:54 pm
Sheepy: What else who can do? Why would we want to help confirmed scum?
Post by: birdy51 on March 29, 2014, 04:36:24 pm
I cannot shake the feeling that there is another threat other than myself nowadays and I don't like it. Frankly, it scares me. That's why I wanted to know exactly how you died. You guys don't have a lot time left to be playing guessing games. At this point, yes, I am essentially a sure thing. Even if you guys don't lynch me now, 4mask will turn me into crispy girl tonight. But, what causes me to wonder now is what happens next after I'm gone.
The thought disturbs me.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 04:48:27 pm
I was just looking through the claims....
Well then, Birdy, do you have an alternative hypothesis. Is there, perhaps, another member of your team?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 04:53:23 pm
However, one of the things that was said was that the town can win by lynching all of the mafia, just like in a normal game. This means that if Birdy's lynch doesn't end the game, then the death of one of those two (I hope there's only one more) would win the game.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2014, 08:47:47 pm
Shorten
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 08:48:46 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2014, 09:57:23 pm
. . . :vYou haven't answered my question.I was killed by an evil person. That is what he said.
Why are you so prickly on how you died and what makes you so certain it was me?
That isn't telling how you died.
Not having a pulse doesn't directly mean death, unless you yourself felt it. ^ ^Was that all? No accompanying flavor text or the like?I'm telling you what one of your teammates told me. The flavor text was something about not having a pulse anymore.
Sorry, I just realized that my previous statement sounded really condescending. What I meant to say is that while I admire the effort you've put into keeping yourself alive, that is exactly the type of thing that a bastard game is meant to instill in us. But this isn't bastard, this is semi-bastard. I've seen the deadchat, bud, and Nerjin said several things he maybe shouldn't have said, given that Tiruin had a revive. So no, I'm not falling into a spiral of doubt and confusion, because I have information. I am the informed minority now, much as you are, except I am still town.BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!
Where'd it say that?
However, one of the things that was said was that the town can win by lynching all of the mafia, just like in a normal game. This means that if Birdy's lynch doesn't end the game, then the death of one of those two (I hope there's only one more) would win the game.
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 29, 2014, 09:59:57 pm
deadchat. Being dead has its perks.. . . :vYou haven't answered my question.I was killed by an evil person. That is what he said.
Why are you so prickly on how you died and what makes you so certain it was me?
That isn't telling how you died.Not having a pulse doesn't directly mean death, unless you yourself felt it. ^ ^Was that all? No accompanying flavor text or the like?I'm telling you what one of your teammates told me. The flavor text was something about not having a pulse anymore.Sorry, I just realized that my previous statement sounded really condescending. What I meant to say is that while I admire the effort you've put into keeping yourself alive, that is exactly the type of thing that a bastard game is meant to instill in us. But this isn't bastard, this is semi-bastard. I've seen the deadchat, bud, and Nerjin said several things he maybe shouldn't have said, given that Tiruin had a revive. So no, I'm not falling into a spiral of doubt and confusion, because I have information. I am the informed minority now, much as you are, except I am still town.BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!Where'd it say that?
However, one of the things that was said was that the town can win by lynching all of the mafia, just like in a normal game. This means that if Birdy's lynch doesn't end the game, then the death of one of those two (I hope there's only one more) would win the game.
Post by: Tiruin on March 29, 2014, 10:09:01 pm
Well.
...
Shorten.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on March 29, 2014, 10:17:51 pm
Post by: TheWetSheep on March 29, 2014, 11:31:38 pm
Post by: birdy51 on March 30, 2014, 08:01:24 am
We'll see what happens I suppose.
Post by: Nerjin on March 30, 2014, 11:49:02 am
Post by: birdy51 on March 30, 2014, 05:44:24 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 30, 2014, 07:47:37 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 30, 2014, 07:48:14 pm
Hissin Walnuts, sign up as a replacement for the current beginner game if you're still interested. :)^This.
Post by: birdy51 on March 30, 2014, 08:42:00 pm
Post by: Nerjin on April 02, 2014, 08:32:55 pm
Post by: Nerjin on April 02, 2014, 10:09:12 pm
”Why don’t you go to the Nurse’s Office little one?” Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom said so gently that even the most inconsolable mourner would have felt instantly better. Yet Birdy51’s heartbreak was beyond even his power to mend.
With a great racking sob Birdy51 nodded and stood up. As she left she dropped something on the ground. It looked like a piece of futuristic equipment.
”Wait a minute… That’s my blazer!” Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom laughed aloud as he picked it up. In doing so the blazer returned to its full size. Turning it on the Blazer made a copy-right infrining sound as the class realized what it was.
“It’s a lightsab-“
“SHUT UP!” Dr. Nerjin, who had appeared, shouted “You’ll get us sued!”
“Oh, right… Sorry.”
”Dr. Nerjin… We meet again.”
“Just do your job you oversized gecko.”
”You are lucky I’m in a good mood.” so saying Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Boom, leapt into the sky.
_ _ _
The meteor continued drifting through the void. It wasn’t malevolent. It simply was. It felt no happiness, no sorrow, no anger, no mercy. It simply was. Somewhere deep within it rested a small nugget of diamond. It was rough.
Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom watched the meteor drift aimlessly. For once, he felt sorry for his target. It had done nothing wrong. It simply wanted to exist. It had no idea what it was doing. Still, he had been contacted. He had to follow through.
It was over with in an instant. With one swing of his Blazer the meteor was obliterated. Its meager existence gone forever. With a sigh, Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom began his flight back towards Galaxis. But not before he accomplished one last task.
_ _ _
Birdy51 was at her home. Her plans were all ruined. Not only was the meteor destroyed but she was back at square one. No love. No revenge. No anything. Only sadness. Sobbing ceaselessly she nearly didn’t hear the doorbell ring the first time. Or the second time. Or the thirteenth time. But the fourteenth time she heard it.
Standing slowly she opened the door. Probably one of the others here to mock her for the summoning failing. It hadn’t happened yet. But the way her luck was she wouldn’t be surprised.
It was Makeinu.
“Here to gloat?” Birdy51 said through her tears.
“Um…” Makeinu blushed heavily before handing Birdy51 a box.
“What is this?”
“I love you!” Makeinu blurted out before blushing.
“W-what?” Birdy51’s tears stopped for a few moments as her heart raced.
“I… It was me. I was at your window when MastahCheese showed up… He… He scared me off. Please… Please stop dating him! I need you! Just give me a chance! I’ll do any-“
Birdy51 kissed Makeinu.
“I was only waiting for you to ask.” She said as she placed the box inside her house before going outside to be with her new boyfriend.
Inside the box was a flawless diamond.
_ _ _
4maskwolf, TheWetSheep, and Tiruin were sitting inside the school cafeteria. Tiruin stroked his magnificent white beard which reached to her knees.
“So… You two were also accepted?” He said as he again stroked his beard. It was odd of Swinepimples to accept any student, much less three.
“Yeah… My crafting skills drew their attention. They said they wanted me to teach there actually. Turns out I’m just that good.” TheWetSheep said with a grin as she tinkered with her peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Soon she was instead playing with a fully functional miniature Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom.
For his part 4maskwolf simply sat sullenly. He had been so close to burning everything! Just one more day! That’s all it would have taken. Still… He did like talking to his new friends. But… fire was part of him. It yearned to be released. The inhibitor that TheWetSheep had made for him out of a piece of tuna and an old tire was helping him resist the urge but it was still there.
“Well… I hope I get to see you guys around there!” Tiruin said as he used his magic to teleport to a standing position. “But what are the odds of three high-school aged wizards from hilariously different backgrounds getting into any adventure at Swinepimples?”
Little did Tiruin know that the three would have many adventures at Swinepimples. They thwarted dozens of plots, one per school-year, and dark wizards. Truly dark ones. Not misunderstood ones like the ones who had caused this whole fiasco. Their adventures would be chronicled in a seven part book series. The first “TheWetSheep, Tiruin, and 4mask: The Socratic Stump” would be a huge best seller.
_ _ _
Mastahcheese shook his head as he felt the last traces of Birdy51’s magic leave his system. He couldn’t believe that he had been enchanted simply by looking at her. It wasn’t like him. He was better than that. He was better than helping summoners.
Still… She was cute… NO! No! The only girl MastahCheese needed was Justice! He had trained for 15 years to destroy evil wherever it was! At the very least he should be able to annoy evil… Right? Still… He wasn’t quite sure how to cause annoyances… He hated annoyances though… They annoyed him.
“Whatever.” He sighed as he grabbed his kick-ass inquisitor hat. Putting it upon his head he was shocked to find it was actually a man-eating shark.
Outside Caz laughed. Man-eating Shark Hats… Classic. Her giggles filling the night she dashed back home only to find an annoyed MastahCheese there.
“Oh!” Caz jumped back in surprise as she looked at him. He had apparently survived his encounter with the shark.
“I bet you think you’re funny don’t you…”
“I tend towards that opinion yes.” Caz smiled.
“Well I for one don’t think that’s funny. I don’t want any jokers messing around with my work. I’m here to rid the streets of crime. I’m the hero this city needs! More than it deserves. Now you have ten seconds to convince me that I shouldn’t take you to prison.”
“Hm…” Caz pondered for a moment before kissing MastahCheese on the lips.
“Uh… Buh… Um… Go-Good argument.” MastahCheese blushed as he looked everywhere but at Caz.
This was a shame, as her smile would have given away the fact that her lips were coated in a potent nuero-toxin.
Surprisingly their relationship continued like this for many years. Caz would perform a harmless prank on Cheese or another innocent bystander, Cheese would stop it from getting out of hand, then Caz would get out of it with a kiss. Just before doing another prank.
Even their wedding followed this plan when MastahCheese found out that the wedding cake was actually a nuclear bomb.
It was fun times for all.
_ _ _
Toaster was rather perplexed. What to do now? It was odd not having a goal. Acquiring the sandwich was his ultimate goal. What to do now?
“We could always seek out the Unicorn Wizard.” Said MOWE from inside his stomach.
“Hm… True… Maybe have a Dinosaur Laser Fight? I like that one.”
“Ooh, that could be fun. Maybe invite Robosaurus? Make it a Party of Three?”
“Don’t say that too enthusiastically,” Toaster chuckled “I’ll start to get jealous.”
“Hey, we’re Best Friends Forever right? Now Let’s get This Terrible Party Started!” Joked MyOwnWorstEnemy as the two went off to their scheduled activity of watching a wrestling match.
First up was Rhinoceratops vs Super Puma… It was gonna be awesome.
_ _ _
NotQuiteThere glared across the Nurse’s office at TheDarkStar.
“You’re an idiot. I had them eating out of the palm of my hand!” NotQuiteThere mumbled loud enough for Star to hear.
“You were making false promises! You would have led us to ruin!”
“My economi-“
“YOUR ECONOMIC POLICY ADVOCATED ENSLAVING EVERYONE TO YOUR WHIM!”
“Which is what it should have been! You summoned a meteor!”
“To save the world. Look at things now. The school is a true democracy! I would gladly have summoned a thousand meteors to end your reign.”
“People were happy with my reign.”
“People were misinformed. You lied. Admit it, you were trying to get together artifacts of power that-“
“That belonged rightly to me!” NotQuiteThere was fuming. If not for her gunshot wound she would have been strangling TheDarkStar by now.
“Well the only important thing is you’re out of power. I did something great for the school. I don’t care if they all hate me. I made the world a better place.”
“Idealist pig.”
“Monorchist bitch.”
They spent the rest of their political careers opposing eachother. TheDarkStar always fighting for his ideals while NotQuiteThere eternally one upped him and continuously got positons Star was running for. On his death bed TheDarkStar is quoted as saying:
“Foiled one last time. NotQuiteThere still lives.” Just prior to his passing. NQT had passed four seconds prior.
_ _ _
No friends… That’s what Leafsnail had gotten out of this. No friends and even the dead had stopped talking to him. He sighed heavily as he lounged on his couch. Nobody had even talked to him. He had even attempted to talk to Dr. Nerjin so great was his desperation. Dr. Nerjin simply continued his fight with Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom.
“No one loves me…” Leafsnail sighed as he walked into the darkness of his room.
“Not even your parents?” Came a voice from the darkness.
“Not even them I think. They don’t talk to me…”
“Hm… My parents aren’t that great either.”
“Tell me about it…”
“You know… You seem pretty nice to me.”
“I… Really?”
“Yes,” Said the voice “Want to be my friend?”
“YES!” Leafsnail coughed as he composed himself “I mean, uh yeah. Cool.”
“Alright. You might feel a slight pinch on your neck.”
After a few minutes two vampires walked out of Leafsnail’s room with grins.
Leafsnail had finally made a friend. Even better, a girlfriend. Giving her a kiss the two walked outside. The kiss tasted of Walnuts.
4maskwolf has won! He was the Fire Wizard! He was Town!
Caz has won! He was the Trickster! He was Town!
TheWetSheep has won! He was the Crafter! He was Town!
HissihnWalnuts has won! She was the Head Vampiress! She was Cult!
Leafsnail has won! He was the Necromancer! He was a Summoner!
makeinu has won! He was the Poet! He was Town!
MastahCheese has won! He was the Witch-Hunter! He started an ally to the Summoners!
MyOwnWorstEnemy has won [again]! She was the Sandwich! She was Town!
NotQuiteThere has won! She was the Class President! She was Town!
Birdy51 has won! She was the Succubus! She was a Summoner!
TheDarkStar has won! He was the Diplomancer! He was a Summoner!
Tiruin has won! She was the White Mage! She was Town!
Toaster has won [again]! He was the Robot! He was Town!
Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom has won! He was Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom! He was omni-allied!
Vote Count
(Extend Used)Name – Voted by [# of Voted – Lynch Target/Tie]
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4maskwolf
Caz -
TheWetSheep -
HissihnWalnuts -
makeinu -
mastahcheese -
(Ext.) Birdy51 - TheWetSheep, 4maskwolf, Mastahcheese, Walnuts, Tiruin, [5 – Lynch Target]
(Ext.)Tiruin –
Robosaurus, Roar of the Celestial Bloom -
Not Voting –
For those of you wondering why everyone won… Well when Birdy51 was lynched the Blazer was randomly given away. Oddly enough it landed with Robosaurus and… Well just read this (https://docs.google.com/document/d/11_p_f7OjqDPg4Ob7CWy1S1HwVJtY83HXBI2bptLXrIc/edit?usp=sharing). The top part, with none of your names in it is the original that Web used. I made some adjustments mid-game. That’s the bottom part.
So… What did you guys think? I know most of you seemed to loathe it. I was… Wondering if that was still the view point.
Also!
Scumchat (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/kwSa8GNfkMX)
Deadchat (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/54aVEG7CB8QSZ)
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 10:16:58 pm
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MastahCheese has won! He was the Witch-Hunter! He started an ally to the Summoners!._.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2014, 10:19:07 pm
I was right~ <3QuoteMastahCheese has won! He was the Witch-Hunter! He started an ally to the Summoners!._.
TIRUIN, I CAN EXPLAIN.
I started the game as town, I PROMISE, but then... when I inspected RangerCado....
IT WASN'T MY CHOICE
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 02, 2014, 10:20:24 pm
So, in other words, "it's not you it's me"?I was right~ <3QuoteMastahCheese has won! He was the Witch-Hunter! He started an ally to the Summoners!._.
TIRUIN, I CAN EXPLAIN.
I started the game as town, I PROMISE, but then... when I inspected RangerCado....
IT WASN'T MY CHOICE
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2014, 10:21:23 pm
So, in other words, "it's not you it's me"?*Shakes fist at 4mask*
Way to make that sound awkward.
But yes.
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 10:38:29 pm
RangerCado was the alluded Good Succubus.
...Thanks Nerjin. :'( < Me now.
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on April 02, 2014, 10:39:22 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2014, 10:39:45 pm
Oh my goodness.
RangerCado was the alluded Good Succubus.
...Thanks Nerjin. :'( < Me now.
You see?
It wasn't my choice in the matter, I didn't ask to be evil.
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 10:44:50 pm
*sandwich video? :D*
"How to make a sandwich."
... I didn't know I was cult. But heh, I won without any cultists....You're confusing.
And was the cult head. :v
Edit:
Quote from: Toaster
For the record, I believe the real problem was a communication error. Everyone familiar with English slang knows calling someone[...]Oh.
Oops.
I didn't-
:'(
Sorry! D:
Post by: HissinhWalnuts on April 02, 2014, 10:46:04 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 10:47:41 pm
I didn't catch any note of that in the quicktopicchats.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2014, 10:48:54 pm
Very good game.
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 10:49:54 pm
This is the only game in which I actually felt bad about deceiving the town.I never noticed. :v
Very good game.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2014, 10:51:57 pm
Mostly I felt bad because I could tell you were so sure I was town, and I like working with you.
If only you had protected me a day earlier, than that wouldn't have happened!
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 10:56:24 pm
Soo....
What was the bastard element to this game?
Post by: mastahcheese on April 02, 2014, 11:01:27 pm
I didn't think protects worked like that when my protect power really just says 'heals wounds in night'. x_xOh.
Well then nevermind then, there wasn't anything you could really do. Sorry.
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2014, 11:41:27 pm
How come HissinWalnuts didn't die upon claiming vampire?
Tiruin: I thought of that the day after it happened, but we had already been mod told to shut up, so I just saved it for later.
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 11:46:02 pm
Oh hey, I almost killed everyone. Whoopsie!We didn't know that! D:
Y'know the best thing about this game is the potential. SO MUCH.
Now if we knew our wincon and stuffs, then it would be better.
Also!
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(Night, Magic) Seduce [target]: You make the target fall in love with you. This only works on targets with the opposite gender.But Cado targeted me? I was male here.
Why didn't I fall in love with her?
...
Why don't we know our wincon? (Yeah I get it can change per item and stuff like dat but still. LOTS of potential.)
Also how much exp was needed so I could achieve Level X?
Why? More on
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{Hidden} If the White Wizard and Fire Wizard are both in play at the same time, both players sacrifice themselves in a respectful rivalry sense to destroy the meteor. All players win.Because we could save
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{Hidden} If Melvin (MOWE) reads the [Book], Melvin (MOWE) will revert back into a Sandwich, becoming a holdable item. This item is given to the first player to ask about Melvin.
So wait, who sandwiched him? Do you have a sandwich item?Oh wow.
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{Hidden} If [Blaser] is given to Robosaur, the game ends, and all players win. Cue a cut scene of Robosaur battling the giant meteor and saving mankind. Also, start shipping people. [[Gladly... Oh god... Gladly]]Oh WOW.
Umm, Leafsnail, no hard feelings? :S :-\ :'(
Post by: Tiruin on April 02, 2014, 11:47:40 pm
I just thought the people I converted didn't know I did it, plus I wasn't sure it was my wincon, considering it wasn't shown.Seriously?
You had it totally hinted in flavor and you know you could convert!
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(Night) Convert [target]: Convert the target into a vampire, blocking him from actioning during this Night. You cannot convert a player that is already a vampire. That's against vampire rules.
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You’ll make your own family who’ll love you and give you tons of presents!o_O?
Post by: zombie urist on April 03, 2014, 12:00:05 am
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2014, 12:03:04 am
Having the (current) wincon visible would have decreased player frustration. What was the idea behind the almost lack of roleflips?
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 12:05:39 am
Post by: notquitethere on April 03, 2014, 03:51:38 am
Well, I'm glad everyone won, even it was essentially by the random number generator.
Seeing the planning behind this and all the thought out possibilities, I can see the game had greater depth than I'd previously thought. But with the players being absolutely in the dark as to what they should be doing made the game more frustrating than it needed to be.
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 04:03:32 am
And even if they did claim--why lie about not being the meteor summoner? Honestly, I was bought by LS' statement that we don't know what exacts exist--I inferred that items had a string attached but pushed it aside. My primary drive was...
Why lie?
Post by: Nerjin on April 03, 2014, 07:20:00 am
I just thought the people I converted didn't know I did it, plus I wasn't sure it was my wincon, considering it wasn't shown.
You never said to convert anyone though...
But was there a standard Mafia game where "if town lynches all summoners they win" going on? If the meteor wasn't dealt with, what would have happened?
Having the (current) wincon visible would have decreased player frustration. What was the idea behind the almost lack of roleflips?
There was. That was the basic win for town. Scum had to kill all townies. The meteor would have hit when the Scum had killed all townies.
Well... THere were supposed to be NO role-flips but in the conversations with Web he asked me to end day because he couldn't. He didn't mention that so NQT flipped. The lesser role-flips was to help Scum not be totally fucked.
How come HissinWalnuts didn't die upon claiming vampire?
Because Web was still modding at the time as far as I knew. By the time I remembered it it was a few days later so I felt it would be unfair to go "OH hey, by the way, Walnuts. *BLAM BLAM BLAM*" for no apparent reason. I felt it would have been flow breaking so I avoided it.
Quote(Night, Magic) Seduce [target]: You make the target fall in love with you. This only works on targets with the opposite gender.But Cado targeted me? I was male here.
Why didn't I fall in love with her?
...
Why don't we know our wincon? (Yeah I get it can change per item and stuff like dat but still. LOTS of potential.)
Also how much exp was needed so I could achieve Level X?
Why? More onQuote{Hidden} If the White Wizard and Fire Wizard are both in play at the same time, both players sacrifice themselves in a respectful
You did fall in love. You were action blocked but you didn't take an action night 1 so it didn't matter. Plus only CHeese is converted by Cado and only in a specific circumstance.
As for hiding the wincons that was Web's idea. Like I've said before I was just enlisted to write flavor. I assumed he knew what he was doing. I figured it was a common thing because of the Great Temple being my only other BasMod experience.
You needed 6 EXP. I think it was mentioned later on in the document.
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 03:03:20 pm
You did fall in love. You were action blocked but you didn't take an action night 1 so it didn't matter. Plus only CHeese is converted by Cado and only in a specific circumstance....I did take an action Night 1. o-o
As for hiding the wincons that was Web's idea. Like I've said before I was just enlisted to write flavor. I assumed he knew what he was doing. I figured it was a common thing because of the Great Temple being my only other BasMod experience.
You needed 6 EXP. I think it was mentioned later on in the document.
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As for hiding the wincons that was Web's idea. Like I've said before I was just enlisted to write flavor. I assumed he knew what he was doing.Doesn't look like he did. Not that we'll know now because of him being stubborn on 'not coming back' due to his emotions when writing it at that one time.
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You needed 6 EXP. I think it was mentioned later on in the document.Aww :(
Post by: birdy51 on April 03, 2014, 04:10:54 pm
I did my best to kill you all, but ultimately my plots came to nothing. Still, I enjoyed it. Now.
Nerjin, under the circumstances by which you had to take care of, I would like you to know you did an outstanding job. It wasn't ideal for anyone, but I hope you know that I at least appreciated the shear amount of effort you put into keeping this boat afloat. *thumbs up*.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 04:11:34 pm
Nerjin, under the circumstances by which you had to take care of, I would like you to know you did an outstanding job. It wasn't ideal for anyone, but I hope you know that I at least appreciated the shear amount of effort you put into keeping this boat afloat. *thumbs up*.+1
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 03, 2014, 04:46:57 pm
I...still don't understand why the scumteam claimed.
And even if they did claim--why lie about not being the meteor summoner? Honestly, I was bought by LS' statement that we don't know what exacts exist--I inferred that items had a string attached but pushed it aside. My primary drive was...
Why lie?
We were actually telling the truth. We didn't know if we were scum at first (considering our lack of a kill or convert), and Ranger/Birdy was the only one with a role PM that specifically said that they were a summoner. At first, we were actually worried about there being multiple scumteams with the summoners also being members of the other ones.
This was an interesting game to play; the story was also enjoyable to read. Good job Nerjin (and Webadict)!
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 05:06:10 pm
Mm, though I do quite see what is the confusing variable in this whole game--specificity and basis. We lack a wincon, so we lack a common goal. We lack connection to the inferred evil (at start: Meteor Summoner), so we can't see anything related to the puzzle.
The clues were the stories. They told of specific players, though at differing intervals, so the problem would be in how the players themselves actually found that out unless they associated themselves with the story (and really? I enjoyed the succubus one a lot. That was...gold.).
How would we know items took a greater priority in determining wincon? I mean, sure, they seemed more like changing variables in the game, but considering the hints about the items...they didn't seem like a game ender. :I
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 05:08:50 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 05:10:02 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 05:11:49 pm
We had a disguise? Did anyone claim that?If you read through the docs on the game, it wasn't at the start, it was going to be created after Caz created her two unique items and combined them.
Pretty obscure goal.
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 05:16:47 pm
Though the problem was in finding that path to find that sense :v
How did the Crafter guess she could MAEK something by holding two items at once? :'(
Or on our stuff other than that.
Mmph. Must have had context clues perhaps.
I DEMAND THIS MECHANIC-BEHIND-THE-GAME-BE-RECYCLED. In all caps for formality.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 03, 2014, 07:44:10 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 08:49:41 pm
Just as planned.Really? You planned out for my sword to get turned into the blazer, and wind up in Robosaurus' claws?
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 03, 2014, 08:58:26 pm
Nope. Because one of them was my unknown power and the other was random chance.Just as planned.Really? You planned out for my sword to get turned into the blazer, and wind up in Robosaurus' claws?
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 09:00:30 pm
That was the point I was making.Nope. Because one of them was my unknown power and the other was random chance.Just as planned.Really? You planned out for my sword to get turned into the blazer, and wind up in Robosaurus' claws?
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 03, 2014, 09:02:21 pm
I know that, I was agreeing with you.That was the point I was making.Nope. Because one of them was my unknown power and the other was random chance.Just as planned.Really? You planned out for my sword to get turned into the blazer, and wind up in Robosaurus' claws?
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 03, 2014, 09:06:24 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 09:07:29 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 03, 2014, 09:32:07 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 03, 2014, 09:34:02 pm
I was gonna burn Walnuts tonight, but whatevs.
Also, Birdy, my pm never did mention a stabbing.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 09:35:05 pm
I just read the thread and CHEESE I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR THAT I GAVE YOU THAT ITEM (indirectly) AND YOU ATTEMPT TO TAKE AWAY MY LIFE :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(I'M SO SORRY!!!
Post by: birdy51 on April 03, 2014, 09:36:24 pm
Also, Birdy, my pm never did mention a stabbing.Which disappointed me.
I bet I could have made a convincing argument if it did mention stabbing though. :P
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 03, 2014, 09:37:49 pm
I bet you could haveAlso, Birdy, my pm never did mention a stabbing.Which disappointed me.
I bet I could have made a convincing argument if it did mention stabbing though. :P
Oh, who am I kidding, great job that game.I just read the thread and CHEESE I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR THAT I GAVE YOU THAT ITEM (indirectly) AND YOU ATTEMPT TO TAKE AWAY MY LIFE :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(I'M SO SORRY!!!
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 09:41:35 pm
1: Got you to claim as cop
2: Worked with you successfully
3: Jailed you into oblivion
4: Stabbed your face, and then you get revived
I think I'm winning this, so far, 4mask.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 03, 2014, 09:56:41 pm
Well, that makes the track record now at:And I think you may also have the one-up on Tiruin:
1: Got you to claim as cop
2: Worked with you successfully
3: Jailed you into oblivion
4: Stabbed your face, and then you get revived
I think I'm winning this, so far, 4mask.
1. Tiruin not in game
2. Tricked the entire town
3. Won the game after Tiruin had died
4. Forced her to waste her revive on me.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 10:04:30 pm
I'm quite proud of myself, right now.
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2014, 10:17:00 pm
Nerjin did mention to me that it was possible for people to win more than once. I "forgot" to share that info.
Post by: Nerjin on April 03, 2014, 11:01:33 pm
In the interest of transparency I almost dropped this Night 2. I'm glad I didn't.
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 11:47:27 pm
Just as planned.We love you too. :P :))
Track record? o_O?Well, that makes the track record now at:And I think you may also have the one-up on Tiruin:
1: Got you to claim as cop
2: Worked with you successfully
3: Jailed you into oblivion
4: Stabbed your face, and then you get revived
I think I'm winning this, so far, 4mask.
1. Tiruin not in game
2. Tricked the entire town
3. Won the game after Tiruin had died
4. Forced her to waste her revive on me.
One-up? O_o?
Are you guys having a secret contest much like how battle buddies do?
Yeah, there was also a really awesome one for Walnuts but I can't seem to find it. Which is making me sad because I really liked it...But I protected people at N1 :C
In the interest of transparency I almost dropped this Night 2. I'm glad I didn't.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 11:50:00 pm
Track record? o_O?Me and 4mask may or may not be having a competition to one-up each other.
One-up? O_o?
Are you guys having a secret contest much like how battle buddies do?
A competition that I'm currently winning.
It's not just in Mafia, either, I've done this in RtDs and the like.
Post by: Tiruin on April 03, 2014, 11:53:33 pm
Competition-thing? Going above each other?
You two are awesome. :I
Just as planned.We love you too. :P :))
*checks list again*These seem to be different achievements in different games. :PWell, that makes the track record now at:And I think you may also have the one-up on Tiruin:
1: Got you to claim as cop
2: Worked with you successfully
3: Jailed you into oblivion
4: Stabbed your face, and then you get revived
I think I'm winning this, so far, 4mask.
1. Tiruin not in game
2. Tricked the entire town
3. Won the game after Tiruin had died
4. Forced her to waste her revive on me.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 03, 2014, 11:55:30 pm
What does one-up mean? x3A "one-up" is where someone does something, and so you do something to beat them at it, to show you're better or whatever.
Competition-thing? Going above each other?
You two are awesome. :I
It's just something for fun.
Post by: Silthuri on April 04, 2014, 09:28:47 am
Post by: TheWetSheep on April 06, 2014, 07:09:07 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2014, 08:40:07 pm
Huh. Good game - loved the flavour, Nerjin, especially the Succubus story.This.
So. Much.
Is it originally written by you, Nerjin? Because I'd love to use it for future reference.
I cried ok? Don't tell anyone or I'll punch you!
...It was amazing.
Post by: Nerjin on April 06, 2014, 09:12:50 pm
Is it originally written by you, Nerjin? Because I'd love to use it for future reference.
I am the original author yes.
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2014, 09:14:17 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 06, 2014, 09:20:08 pm
I thought it was very moving, too.
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 07, 2014, 06:59:23 pm
My mother used to say that it's all fun and games until someone gets hit with a fireball. Then it's frickin' hilarious.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 07, 2014, 07:00:44 pm
*from character's point of view*My character would demand JUSTICE!
My mother used to say that it's all fun and games until someone gets hit with a fireball. Then it's frickin' hilarious.
...And then have Caz troll the tar out of him.
Post by: Silthuri on April 07, 2014, 08:40:17 pm
Maybe it's because I know Nerjin in RL, but I for some reason most of his writing somewhat... silly(?) Maybe not-serious is a better word. Aside from the MOWE Chronicles occasionally. I did cry for half an hour when I read the first bit of that... But then again, I cry at virtually everything. Dragon Age, the ending to Armageddon even though I've seen the thing a hundred times, Kung Fu Panda 2...
Flavor was awesome though. Aside from the fact that you kept sneaking in things that I don't like. damn muttonchops...
*hugs Tiruin*
Stop crying! You're gonna make me cry... *starts sobbing quietly*
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2014, 09:11:20 pm
*MOWE sandwich flaps lettuce in an attempt to communicate**pokes Toaster's iron abs*
Maybe it's because I know Nerjin in RL
That is so awesome.
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*hugs Tiruin*It was BEAUTIFUL!
Stop crying! You're gonna make me cry... *starts sobbing quietly*
Tears can explain my feelings. u_u
Post by: Silthuri on April 07, 2014, 09:30:32 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2014, 10:18:07 pm
Honesty is great
Post by: Toaster on April 08, 2014, 08:00:16 am
*pokes Toaster's iron abs*
*clang!*
Post by: ToonyMan on April 12, 2014, 02:34:23 pm
Post by: Toaster on April 12, 2014, 09:27:48 pm
Post by: RangerCado on April 13, 2014, 07:51:02 pm
Oh my goodness.Yep. And now I rant.
RangerCado was the alluded Good Succubus.
...Thanks Nerjin. :'( < Me now.
I quit for a few reasons.
First: I put all my cards on the table, literally, and went full on help the town to get my wincon and be a traitor to the scum team without them realizing. Night 1, this was ended immediately. My explanation for this event much later from Nerjin, someone hit me or my target with something and I lost my wincon. He then stated I also failed because I used my ability on Tiruin, which caused me much rage as I didn't even use the ability.
Second: I went from pro-town mafia player, to regular mafiasco without any chance to block this, losing my ability on the slimmest of chances according to Nerjin. I then had to lie about not having a wincon to try and stay alive. Well, you all started voting me anyway, and at that point I felt that the scum team were gonna lose anyway. I felt there was no way to win or gain another wincon, so I quit.
Third: Dying, getting hit with a one-off ability, or even being converted to a different role! All three I would have seen as part of the game for me losing my wincon and/or ability at the time. I was instead punished for A- Not understanding my flavour enough to solve my puzzle DAY ONE before someone else, and B- Not using what I assumed was a one off, male target only ability, NIGHT ONE! All because I couldn't get my puzzle off of day 1 information.
I couldn't stand the fact that I lost abilities and wincons because I couldn't figure out how to win Day 1, BEFORE someone else figured out how to stop me from doing so. Rant over.
Post by: Nerjin on April 13, 2014, 07:55:14 pm
In the end though, EVERYBODY wins so... Happy face?
Post by: RangerCado on April 13, 2014, 08:01:56 pm
Expecting 2 players to figure out night 1 to use their abilities on eachother is annoying to no end, especially when A: I lost my only ability because I didn't use it. B: We only had ONE chance for it to work or we fail and lose our abilities. C: You CANNOT have expected us both to get it right night 1. And if us losing was because i 'targetted someone else', then I call -insert swear- because I never even USED the ability.
No happy face.
Post by: Nerjin on April 13, 2014, 08:04:17 pm
Web and I didn't care WHEN you figured it out. The ability only ceased to exist if one player figured it out before the other. Makeinu figured it out. You didn't. *Shrug* Things like that happen. Was it the best plan? No, but Web was running the game then, so there was nothing I could do.
In fact, I DIDN'T expect you guys to get it night one.
Post by: RangerCado on April 13, 2014, 08:09:55 pm
The fact that my only hint was 'you want to find love!' and getting a retorical good luck was my only information is unfair to the extreme.
Post by: Jack A T on April 13, 2014, 08:19:25 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2014, 08:35:57 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 13, 2014, 08:38:53 pm
Let me put it to you this way then:Makeinu did?
Web and I didn't care WHEN you figured it out. The ability only ceased to exist if one player figured it out before the other. Makeinu figured it out. You didn't. *Shrug* Things like that happen. Was it the best plan? No, but Web was running the game then, so there was nothing I could do.
In fact, I DIDN'T expect you guys to get it night one.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2014, 08:39:29 pm
Post by: Nerjin on April 13, 2014, 08:41:22 pm
Let me put it to you this way then:Makeinu did?
Web and I didn't care WHEN you figured it out. The ability only ceased to exist if one player figured it out before the other. Makeinu figured it out. You didn't. *Shrug* Things like that happen. Was it the best plan? No, but Web was running the game then, so there was nothing I could do.
In fact, I DIDN'T expect you guys to get it night one.
He did. He targetted Cado. I figured when somebody listed the win conditions of everyone and "Wnats to find Love" showed up twice it was gonna happen...
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2014, 08:47:03 pm
Also that my team decided to claim along with me even though I explicitly told them not toAh, yes, I saw that in the chat. Frankly, though, I must say that you used your silver tongue quite well to try to worm your way out of that one. Plus, NQT was a tad cagey, though now I see why that was. I think the whole TDS lynch came about because Tiruin was pushing it, I wanted to try it for science, and then you guys were screwed when his results came up as summoner because it made you a liar.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2014, 08:49:08 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2014, 08:56:53 pm
I wasn't lying.YOu lied about not having a chat. Also, about not knowing who the others were.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2014, 09:07:30 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2014, 09:12:47 pm
Well yeah I lied about that, but everything else was just a result of confusion due to webadict not giving me any straight answers.Lolz yeah web was cagey as all hell everywhere. Nerjin started out that way but then toned it down quite a bit.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2014, 09:15:04 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2014, 09:16:15 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2014, 09:19:50 pm
Basically to have a mafia game you need an informed minority, even in a bastard game. Especially in a bastard game.Meh. I think that a game can be done without an informed minority, at least as to the general mechanic of the game. There needs to be some credible threat, but there are ways to accomplish this beyond evil mods and informed minorities. How well it can be done without those tricks remains to be seen.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2014, 09:21:18 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2014, 09:21:46 pm
If the threat is not an informed minority then it's not a mafia game.But must the minority be totally informed?
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2014, 09:22:39 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on April 13, 2014, 09:24:22 pm
They must receive some information beyond "The three of you share a quicktopic", yeah.True. But I think that if he had said you are the meteor summoners and you don't want the town to know about you it might have suficed, I saw the scumchat and you guys came up with a lot of good ideas. Having the scum be confused is not necessarily a bad thing, but having them COMPLETELY confused is very bad.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2014, 09:31:45 pm
Post by: webadict on May 22, 2014, 10:39:43 pm
If the scum received enough basic knowledge to actually operate as a scumteam that would be ok (although we would have still been a pretty lame threat considering our lack of any actual power or knowledge about game mechanics). I guess webadict was actually correct not to verify that we were on the same team though, considering that there was nothing stopping one of us from offering up our buddies in exchange for fulfilling their alternate win-con.Pretty much my fault for that. I was just messing with you guys, and then I made a mistake. Also, I was having some real existential crises. You know. Typical life things.
Anyhow, you can blame me for anything that went wrong. This was an experiment in wackiness, and while it could've turned out better, I can understand where it went wrong. Overall, it is likely not a good choice for a Mafia setup. It would work better as a regular forum type game.
Also, I apologize profusely Nerjin. So much sorry that it overwhelms my senses. Overwhelmed by this feeling of sorrow and regret.
Post by: webadict on May 22, 2014, 10:50:43 pm
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The man sat deep within the dark confines of the cave. Everyone from the village knew that where he was. He watched over them, some said. Others believed he was an avatar of the gods who simply observed with no intention of helping. Others still believed the man an abomination that needed to be destroyed. Yet no one ever went to the man. Some debated it. Some even prepared for it. However at the end of the day they would always change their mind.
Eternally the man sat in the cave. Through years. Through decades. Through centuries. Never eating. Never sleeping. Never speaking. He simply sat in the darkness. Unmoving. Unfeeling.
Eventually a brave group of children went further in a childhood dare than any before them. They actually approached the large mountain that housed the cave. No one knew which cave he was in but they did know that it was somewhere within this mountain. The children of the village often thought of approaching but none did.
The children, emboldened by their apparent bravery, decided that this mountain would make the perfect arena for their game of “Seekers”. Several times the children would hide from the Seeker and several times all the kids reunited. Eventually however the group grew bored with the game and left.
It was only a small girl still hiding in the mountains. Her hiding spot was carefully selected. A large cave with only darkness as a companion. After hours had passed she began to wonder just how good her spot was.
Growing bored, but not wanting to abandon her spot, she began to look around. At first their was only darkness. Soon her eyes adjusted and she noticed rocks. Then she saw something else.
A man, unmoving, who appeared to be as much of the cave as the rocks had been.
“Who are you?” She asked.
The man did not reply. His eyes, however, glanced at her for a few moments before returning to their thousand-yard stare.
The girl, feeling like she was intruding. Left.
She returned home that night to find her parents crying with grief over her disappearance. They celebrated the fact that she had returned but she had only one thought. The Unmoving Man.
The next day, as her parents went to the river, the small girl once again climbed to the cave. It was surprisingly easy to find the second time. She carried with her a small basket. Walking into the cave she saw the man again and, again, the man saw here.
As before his eyes looked at her for only a moment. But that was enough for her. “Who are you?” The girl asked. As before she got no reply.
The girl waited for an hour before she opened her basket “You look hungry. I brought you bread.” She figured that handing the bread to the man would be easier to question if he had food. However the man made no move to take the bread from the young girl. Feeling disappointed the girl set the bread in front of the man and left.
Again she returned home to her family. Yet the image of the man would not leave her mind. She knew he must be lonely. She had many brothers and sisters while the man had only rocks. She had a mother and a father while the man had only a piece of bread that she had brought.
The next day the girl was unable to return to the cave. Her parents were teaching her to fish that day but she knew that she must return the next day.
The day after the girl left her house with a smile. She had caught a very large fish that she figured would go well with the bread she had left with the man. Arriving at the cave the man’s eyes once again looked at the girl but returned to their staring at something that wasn’t quite there.
“I brought you a fish to go with the-“ The girl stopped as she saw that the bread was where it was. Unfinished. Apparently untouched. Even the animals appeared to have ignored it. The girl however was not offended. She had many friends who disliked the dark bread her mother often made. This time she put the fish upon the bread. “I caught that fish yesterday. That’s why I wasn’t here. My name is Bon-Shee. Who are you?”
Yet again the girl was disappointed by the fact that the man said nothing. Still she resolved to come back again and again that day after she left.
The very next day she came in with some vegetables. Maybe the man would like them? As she walked into the cave she noticed that the man appeared to look at her a little longer. Perhaps he was wondering why she kept coming back?
“Hello again Man-of-the-Cave. I brought you leeks today. They go well with Fish I think.” Looking for the small meal she had left him over the past few days she was surprised to see that the food was missing entirely. Looking at the man with a smile she asked “Did you enjoy the food?”
The man made no reply and did not even look at the small girl. Still she knew that he must have been the one to eat it. There was no one else who would have. Setting the vegetables down in front of the man the girl began to tell him about her day. She did not know if the man listened or if he even could hear. Still she felt better having someone to talk to about her life. Before she left she turned to him and asked “Who are you?”
Yet again the man was silent.
This became a habit of hers through the years. She would go about her business and, on days that permitted, would visit the man in the afternoon. She would always bring something new to him. A new type of fish, a new toy she had found, a painting she had bought, some perfume that the man might like, and once even a small rock. The man would always look at her for a few moments before she would set the item in the same spot each day, for the previous one would have disappeared. Then as soon as it was sat down the man would go back to staring off into some memory that was known only to him. She would sit opposite him and tell him about her day.
Every day, just before leaving, she would ask “Who are you?”
And every day he would not answer.
This happened for several years. The girl grew taller. The girl grew wiser. The girl grew beautiful. The girl ceased to be a girl. She soon became a woman.
The man stayed still. The man stayed silent. The man stayed the same. The man stayed eternal. Yet he became her dearest friend.
It was on the fifteenth anniversary of their meeting that the girl stayed later than usual. She had been telling the man of how a young boy had spurned her affections. He had laughed at her. The girl had cried for hours to her unmoving friend. She eventually stood with a smile. “Thank you for listening. Who are you?”
“I am Nosefer.”
The girl was so shocked to receive a reply that she sat back down “Wh-why are you in this cave?”
The man was silent. She had not seen his lips move. Perhaps he hadn’t said anything and her mind had conjured the words? Turning towards the cave mouth she sighed. She loved her friend but wished she could help him. Listen to his problems.
“Come back tomorrow at sunset.”
Turning around to look at the man she saw him simply staring as he always did. But she felt like she must follow this advice. Even if it wasn’t truly from him.
The next day she was consumed by curiosity. What did he want to say? If anything. Was it really his voice? Would he ask her to leave? Request a certain type of food?
The girl’s heart was beating faster than any drum as she began to enter the cave. The man did not look at her. He did not move.
“Was that you yesterday? You truly spoke? I wasn’t imagining it?”
“Yes, it was me.”
“Why?”
“You are tenacious.”
“So you spoke to me because I kept visiting?”
“I have been here many thousands of years. Only you visited me that often.”
“Don’t you have family?”
“I had a clan. For many years. They were all slaughtered by various inquisitors of my homeland. Only I survive.”
“Why?”
“There are those who will destroy what they do not understand. You do not. You seek to learn. I can tell.”
“I… I am curious. Why this cave?”
“I began my hermitage after my clan was destroyed.”
“You said they didn’t understand you?”
“I did.” The man replied as he, for the first time in many hundreds of years, shifted to his feet. He was much taller than the girl.
“What didn’t they understand?”
“My needs. I have but one.”
“What is it?”
“Ver’csion. To feed.” The man amended himself.
This weird word was one the girl had never heard “What is so bad about it?”
The man hesitated. “You called us friends. Would we remain such after my secret is shared?”
The girl did not hesitate “Of course!”
The tales are cloudy, after this point, about what happened to the girl. Some say the two ran off to help refound the man’s clan. Other say the man devoured her, soul and all. Others still say that now there are two in the cave. Forever watching. Forever waiting. Forever biding their time for some unknown purpose.
Post by: Tiruin on May 22, 2014, 11:13:43 pm
Also Hi Web :)