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Title: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on April 02, 2018, 09:07:10 am
This is a thread for remarks that do not fit into any of the "emotion threads".

In game design, pick two:

Depth
Fun
Accessibility
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Magistrum on April 02, 2018, 10:33:19 am
It is somewhat strange the way colonies of insects work, but I feel weird considering them a single organism, as almost all ecosystems behave similatly on some level.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 02, 2018, 12:23:42 pm
How can mirrors be real if our eyes arent real
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 02, 2018, 12:32:19 pm
How can mirrors be real if our eyes arent real
Our eyes are real.

Well, mine are. Your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Baffler on April 02, 2018, 08:20:09 pm
It is somewhat strange the way colonies of insects work, but I feel weird considering them a single organism, as almost all ecosystems behave similatly on some level.

Considering them a single organism is indeed a pretty bad analogy from what I understand. Another common analogy is a society where only a select few are able to breed, but that's not really much better. Ants are ants, I guess.


This might be /iamverysmart/ or /stonerphilosophy/ material (and before I proofed it it definitely was) but I've been thinking about the difference between known and unknown unknowns, and the differences between them. I know, for example, that I don't really know what string theory is, only what it's called. But if I wanted to, I could decide to dedicate some time to learning about it, and then I would know it. But there are also things that I don't know, but don't realize that I don't know. I could, for example, investigate string theory, and find out that it's not actually real, and that physicists just made it up so they can filter out people who talk about it unironically. But that is conceivable to me (if unlikely) so does that make it a known unknown? To truly be an unknown unknown would I need to not even be able to formulate a thought on the subject - like when I was a very young child and the idea that everything I consciously interact with is made of the protons, neutrons, and electrons was so outside of my frame of reference I literally never could have thought to even ask?

And I know that there must be things like that. Most religions, and mine is no exception, have at least some means of acknowledging the concept. And even if I choose to ignore theology, I know of a whole ton of formerly unknown unknowns that I now know, or at least know I don't know. I have no reason to believe that I have finished tracing the outline of all creation now, and that all I need to do at this point is fill in the details. It's neat to think about, that in time I might know things like the back of my hand that are right now basically an out of context problem for me. It definitely puts the phrase 'broadening your horizons' into a very interesting perspective.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Gatleos on April 03, 2018, 11:40:51 am
I would be okay with this becoming a stoner philosophy thread.

like when I was a very young child and the idea that everything I consciously interact with is made of the protons, neutrons, and electrons was so outside of my frame of reference I literally never could have thought to even ask?

Knowing which questions to ask is 90% of understanding. Several thousand years ago, the smartest people on the planet didn't know basic facts about astronomy, mathematics, and biology that a 16 year old takes for granted now. This could be the reason that a framework of thought can be extremely useful, even if it only organizes existing facts and adds nothing of its own.



"One systemic problem can often be overcome by one altruist in the right place. Two systemic problems are another matter entirely."

To everyone reading the above sentence: did a certain institution come to mind for you? What was it?
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: scourge728 on April 27, 2018, 09:43:08 am
PTW
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: MorleyDev on April 27, 2018, 11:54:56 am
"Everything solid is just the ice of something else."
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Billy on April 27, 2018, 02:07:17 pm
Why dont graveyards have a high number of ghosts?
That's my jam, I like catching ghosts but theres none everytime I go. Yet two houses down from my house at the bowling club. BOOM. ghosts everywhere, like the old people who play the sport died on the spot and out flies a spirit. Same with the McDonalds McShit
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Pancakes on April 27, 2018, 05:03:14 pm
Well, graveyards don't have ghosts because they were memorialized properly, and presumably spooky houses need engraved slabs.

Can you even have a full conversation with no questions, merely statements?

Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Trekkin on April 27, 2018, 05:15:03 pm
Can you even have a full conversation with no questions, merely statements?

Yes, you can. It's called the Question Game, I just lost by making a statement, and doubtless someone will be along to play it with you shortly.

EDIT: I just realized that was backwards. Carry on.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Enemy post on April 29, 2018, 12:55:17 am
On the spur of the moment today, I referred to sticks and rocks as "nature objects". This is clearly the wrong/best term. Isn't there a specific word for nature objects, though?
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Trekkin on April 29, 2018, 12:56:10 am
On the spur of the moment today, I referred to sticks and rocks as "nature objects". This is clearly the wrong/best term. Isn't there a specific word for nature objects, though?

"Raw materials"?
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Billy on April 29, 2018, 01:03:49 am
No? Grisha isn't any other user. Never was.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Enemy post on April 29, 2018, 01:23:20 am
On the spur of the moment today, I referred to sticks and rocks as "nature objects". This is clearly the wrong/best term. Isn't there a specific word for nature objects, though?

"Raw materials"?

I meant it more in the context of potential improvised weapons, though.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: wierd on April 29, 2018, 05:58:08 am
"Simple tools"

or

Paleolithic/(Neolithic, depending on quality and style) weaponry.


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I wonder if it is actually possible to be unbiased.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Hanslanda on April 29, 2018, 08:30:44 am
Dead people are unbiased about everything but being dead, methinks, as they have no ability to form opinions anymore.

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There are underwater rivers and lakes under the oceans. Do fish ever drown in them?

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Why are they killer whales when they're big dolphins? Shouldn't they be whale-killing megadolphins?

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NSFW question
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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The mantle of the earth is molten. Do we just live on an exceptionally cold star? Orbiting a bigger, hotter star?

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If a eusocial animal kills one of its hive, is that murder or semisuicide?
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: KittyTac on April 29, 2018, 08:33:30 am
"The mantle of the earth is molten. Do we just live on an exceptionally cold star? Orbiting a bigger, hotter star?"

There is no fusion inside of Earth. So no.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Hanslanda on April 29, 2018, 08:40:15 am
Good point. I forgot about that tidbit. Not like there's an enormous ball of nuclear incineration hanging in the sky to remind me or anything. 😛

If we created a pure fusion bomb, would it be a short lived star creator?
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: scourge728 on April 29, 2018, 08:54:31 am
Why are they killer whales when they're big dolphins? Shouldn't they be whale-killing megadolphins?
I remember hearing a theory that it was a mistranslation of the name in a different language, that was actually whale-killer, so named because of the said habit of killing whales
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Hanslanda on April 29, 2018, 09:04:52 am
I've read that also, that it was mistranslated from Spanish IIRC.

Also, there are no accurate reports of killer whales predating on humans (I found ONE report of a bite and release) in the wild. I feel like they've definitely eaten people before but they're smart enough to finish the job without witnesses. Also what human stands a chance against 4 to 20 8 ton apex aquatic predators of high intelligence whilst in their environment?
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: scourge728 on April 29, 2018, 09:09:36 am
I've read that also, that it was mistranslated from Spanish IIRC.

Also, there are no accurate reports of killer whales predating on humans (I found ONE report of a bite and release) in the wild. I feel like they've definitely eaten people before but they're smart enough to finish the job without witnesses. Also what human stands a chance against 4 to 20 8 ton apex aquatic predators of high intelligence whilst in their environment?
One with a high power gun, or a ship, or harpoons
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 29, 2018, 10:05:04 am
I've read that also, that it was mistranslated from Spanish IIRC.


Unlikely as the term is the same
Welp apparently it was. The name comes from Spanish whale killers, which was translated into English as killer whales, and then retranslated into Spanish as killer whales again. Huh.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Baffler on April 29, 2018, 11:10:18 am
Basically linguistic gaslighting. I wonder how that happened?
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Trekkin on April 29, 2018, 01:05:43 pm
If we created a pure fusion bomb, would it be a short lived star creator?

It'd be the wrong kind of fusion, for one thing, and initiated in the wrong way. If I recall correctly, the formal definition of a star involves proton-proton fusion and gravitational containment.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Billy on April 29, 2018, 02:05:18 pm
Its cause you do have a soul. Get over it. Its there in your feet
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Trekkin on April 29, 2018, 02:28:19 pm
I don't believe in a soul, to start off with. Now, what drives me mad is how is it that a load of electrical signals in a wrinkly grey ball can create a consciousness? We know it's there (excluding any "I know therefore I am" stuff), it's a measurable thing. How does a load of adaptive electrical signals form it, though?

It's meant to drive you mad. Consciousness is great value for woo peddlers and armchair intellectuals alike; it lets them pretend the neurologists know as little as they do because "science can't explain" it, and therefore they can keep trading on that wonder and selling you crystal healing and long diatribes about how interesting everything is (and, more importantly, how smart they are for seeing it) as long as they can keep redefining it away from our actual understanding of the brain.

The truth is that consciousness is simply a set of interconnected structural, chemical, and electrical feedback loops, in roughly that order of mutability; if you think of the chemical signals as memory for the electrical signals and structural changes as memory for the chemicals you'll be in roughly the right ballpark. That's all there is to the great mystery of the brain. There's no point at which a set of neurons "wakes up and becomes a mind", just a multi-dimensional continuum of complexity and degrees of mutability. Nor is there anything lost at death other than the conditions required for those feedback loops to perpetuate. It's informatically complex, sure, but it's not mystical.

EDIT: As an analogy, you could just as easily ask how a bunch of transistors create a computer. They don't, but they do process information, and enough of them together with memory and other bits can process information in ways complex enough to allow for what we readily recognize as computation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: taat on April 29, 2018, 02:44:53 pm
It's on wikipedia as the "Hard problem of consciousness". The consensus among people who manage to get their opinions published seem to vary between "It's an unsolvable mystery" and "Consciousness isn't in any way a special phenomenon. You simply see yourself and your experience as special because your brain forces you to."
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Enemy post on April 29, 2018, 03:05:21 pm
I created consciousness as part of a scheme to sell bootleg Simpsons mugs. Sorry if this is a disappointing answer.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 29, 2018, 04:13:33 pm
We know it's there (excluding any "I know therefore I am" stuff), it's a measurable thing.
Wait, who told you that? We can measure a lot of things that people think are related to consciousness, but we can't actually prove that consciousness, in the cognito ergo sum sense of internal experience, actually exists or is connected to any of those measurable physical features. Even self-reports of consciousness from patients aren't sufficient because we don't know whether consciousness is necessary to make them (nb, if so, many more things are conscious than we normally assume). All that we can measure are things like responsiveness to stimuli, and it's pretty obvious how the brain can produce responsiveness to stimuli, because we have sensory and motor nerves.

I don't think consciousness really exists, anyway.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: McTraveller on April 29, 2018, 05:20:36 pm
I know people often claim they don't believe there is a soul or that there is nothing beyond emergent phenomena that result in consciousness.  I don't know many people that act like they believe that though.

A provocative question to illustrate what I mean: if that is indeed the situation, then why the difference in sentiment between, say, the death of a person and the obliteration of a star being consumed by a black hole?
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 29, 2018, 05:44:09 pm
A provocative question to illustrate what I mean: if that is indeed the situation, then why the difference in sentiment between, say, the death of a person and the obliteration of a star being consumed by a black hole?
What difference? :/

Well, for people who do experience a difference, I assume that the reason is "I didn't personally know that star".
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: KittyTac on April 29, 2018, 09:59:49 pm
Free will is an illusion, but the human mind is hard enough to predict that it may as well be real for most purposes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Billy on April 30, 2018, 12:03:14 am
Were the pyramids made to preserve the dna of the entombed?
Make a big enough mound of dirt and you'll last long enough to get resurrected in a form.
Or is the half life too short for omelets
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Hanslanda on April 30, 2018, 09:23:42 am
DNA half life is fairly short. We could probably clone a pharoah if it weren't for the legal and ethical stickyness. Or maybe a mammoth or thylacine could be respeciated. But any farther back than ten thousand years, without exceptionally good conditions, and it's too degraded.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: KittyTac on April 30, 2018, 09:38:46 am
Were the pyramids made to preserve the dna of the entombed?
Make a big enough mound of dirt and you'll last long enough to get resurrected in a form.
Or is the half life too short for omelets

Egyptians did not know about DNA, unless you are a conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Trekkin on April 30, 2018, 10:59:28 am
You act as if I didn't arrive at this question myself, and arrived here because a bunch of snake oil salesmen told me that's the case. And also, you act as if consciousness isn't a... thing. Just a set of incredibly complex behaviours. Well yes, it is a set of incredibly complex behaviours, but the thing is it's also a consciousness because... well, I'm conscious. At the very least I'm 100% aware of that one, everyone else could just be a load of pseudo-intelligent bollocks for all I know, but at least you're mimicking it well enough for me to 100% believe everyone else is also conscious. I did like that one that taat mentioned of "You think you're conscious because the brain makes you", that one sort of helps a bit.

I act that way because both of those things are true. Consciousness is not more than the sum of its component processes, and you take the axiom that it must be because that's how you've been trained to frame the question.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Hanslanda on April 30, 2018, 12:59:00 pm
Were the pyramids made to preserve the dna of the entombed?
Make a big enough mound of dirt and you'll last long enough to get resurrected in a form.
Or is the half life too short for omelets

Egyptians did not know about DNA, unless you are a conspiracy theorist.

I tried to insert the Aliens meme but I couldn't get it to work.

So just imagine it instead.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Maximum Spin on April 30, 2018, 02:15:44 pm
I act that way because both of those things are true. Consciousness is not more than the sum of its component processes, and you take the axiom that it must be because that's how you've been trained to frame the question.
Consciousness doesn't have component processes; it's not a thing or a process, it's an effect. Consciousness, if it's even real, is the observable outcome of... something. Saying "it's complex feedback loops" is just as much an appeal to ~~mysteriousness~~ as saying "it's souls".
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Trekkin on May 01, 2018, 11:31:49 am
Once again, I'm liking that.

I think I'm basically missing something when it comes to the idea of what a consciousness is. Being an effect of a number of complex interactions makes sense to me, though it's still buggering me up mentally trying to work out how that happens. I suspect nobody really knows that, else we'd probably be much closer to making actual advanced GAI.

Well, it's a question of what consciousness is versus what it does, since people often try to define the former via the latter. We are conscious and animals (or plants) are not because we [some verb], etc. If you want to make a mind that can do X specific thing, it's fairly straightforward to map out the resources required to do X thing and how they'd have to be organized. People just don't agree with any specificity on what things conscious minds do that nonconscious minds do not, and without a workable set of requirements to translate into physical processes we can't form a satisfactory definition of the properties that define a conscious mind.

This stands in stark contrast to something like mathematical computation. We know what arithmetic is, and so we can design structures for doing arithmetic (modulo any pedantry about what those structures are actually doing relative to the meaning we assign their physical and informatic state), plug them into each other and their supporting bits, circle it all and say "that's a calculator", and we'll know we've got the best definition we can when we can't remove anything from the circled bit without stopping it from doing arithmetic.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 01, 2018, 05:33:57 pm
So, firstly, the argument about whether consciousness "exists" is stupid, because the definition is tautological. We have consciousness. That is, effectively, the definition of consciousness. It's not so much a matter of whether it exists, but whether it's unique to us in any way at all. At that point you can start breaking down exactly what consciousness means in terms of who we are, listing off the various characteristics, and attempt to determine if animals or other such systems share in those characteristics. To what extent it's possible to design a system that matches all these characteristics is really the question regarding the uniqueness of consciousness.
That would be fine if people did define consciousness that way; when I say "consciousness isn't real", what I mean is "whatever it is that we have that we perceive as consciousness doesn't really work the way we have socially defined consciousness to denote."
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 01, 2018, 08:07:36 pm
We're going to need, like, 20 years to keep AIs from producing feedback loops like this one alone.
Man, that's optimistic. Tens of thousands of years and humans *still* get sucked into them.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: RoseHeart on May 01, 2018, 08:38:03 pm
Six
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 02, 2018, 11:04:49 am
Brown is like, the worst color. It's even more boring than black.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: KittyTac on May 03, 2018, 02:49:22 am
White is also pretty boring.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Egan_BW on May 04, 2018, 02:10:53 am
Really random and also kinda boring, but while performing some casual random-button archive revisiting, I noticed that the following two pages from webcomics I read contain very similar phrases:
https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2012-08-19 (https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2012-08-19)
https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/ksbd-2-30/ (https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/ksbd-2-30/)

"Imagine infinite stories to tell, and nobody to tell them to."

Of course, those two characters react very differently to the same problem, but both cases seem to have resulted in an awfully large magnitude of violence. :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Billy on May 04, 2018, 05:12:30 am
Seven
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Egan_BW on May 04, 2018, 01:16:08 pm
Read the alt-text. (https://xkcd.com/1210/)
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 06, 2018, 03:12:59 pm
I think I exist but how do I know my existence is real??
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Pancakes on May 06, 2018, 05:13:04 pm
"I think, therefore I am"

I think "I think, therefore there is" is more likely to be true, as consciousness cannot be broken down into simpler terms, currently. The "I am" makes the assumption that we are at the top level of existence, that we cannot be part of a simulation, for instance. We could be a simulation inside a simulation inside a simulation by an infinite number.

However, based on your own thoughts and experiences, there has to be at least something in existence. Whether that is the level of existence we are currently on, or an existence an infinite number of levels of being ago. There is something.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 06, 2018, 05:29:22 pm
but how do I know that i am real
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Egan_BW on May 06, 2018, 05:49:19 pm
How do you know for sure that all things that think must be?
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Pancakes on May 06, 2018, 06:01:59 pm
My head hurts. Let's design an AI to think this over while I have a drink.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 06, 2018, 06:15:16 pm
but what if we all are AIs *x files theme plays*
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: KittyTac on May 06, 2018, 09:17:23 pm
Well, it won't make a difference if we're AIs. Who says that AIs can't be conscious?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Pancakes on May 06, 2018, 09:37:59 pm
Is this what life is? Are we just an AI made by an AI to figure out whether or not we exist? AI's have a conscience, of sorts. You need to define what consciousness is first though, which in and of itself is what we're making our AI to figure out. It's a Catch-22 of sorts.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: MrRoboto75 on May 06, 2018, 09:43:11 pm
people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, but if they lived it stone houses they could throw all the glass they wanted.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 06, 2018, 09:55:44 pm
Not if they walk barefoot.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Enemy post on May 06, 2018, 10:26:28 pm
**Never mind.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: MrRoboto75 on May 06, 2018, 10:50:06 pm
Not if they walk barefoot.

People in stone houses shouldn't walk barefoot.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Max™ on May 07, 2018, 06:22:27 am
An ant can think in some sense of the word, trundling along with their little pedometers clicking away as they check inputs against an "is this food" filter.

A mouse can think better and learn that while you can eat an ant, they carry the risk of a nasty formic acid aftertaste.

A cat can think well enough to run a primitive model which it can try to use to predict how a mouse will behave if pounced at riiiiiight.... now!

I can think well enough to run a model of a cat mind of surprising power, and I do this sort of thing without needing to devote actual intent to trying.

I can not model your mind well enough to be certain that what you are thinking and planning to do is actually accurate, but I can do a surprisingly rich model of my own mind.

So: I can think about thinking, and I can out think the majority of species on the planet, except for you.

Accordingly I doubt the absurd contrivance necessary to produce an illusion that I am aware and similarly I doubt the absurdly complicated model of reality needed for you to merely appear aware, though I can not directly disprove it, I can ignore it and treat both my awareness and your awareness as true enough to bypass examination when convenient.

I seem to think, therefore we probably are.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: McTraveller on May 07, 2018, 07:21:18 am
An ant can think in some sense of the word, trundling along with their little pedometers clicking away as they check inputs against an "is this food" filter....

That's a general school of thought, yes.  The issue is that the more "primitive" versions of those things aren't necessarily considered "thinking".  After all, an ant trundling around is basically just a collection of biological control systems trying to obtain food, avoid danger, etc.  Does a thermostat "think"? It is also just some control loops.

Most of the complaints about the "AI" in the media today is that all we have so far are just really advanced control loops - yeah image recognition and language recognition and processing and patter matching, yeah - but they are just at core optimization solvers or control loops.

My thoughts on the "mechanics" of it is that "thinking" or "consciousness" is itself another kind of control loop or set of control loops that creates and modifies the other control loops, including itself.  That is, it's a controller for which the "goals" are very abstract.  I mean, it's not just a single loop saying "I'm hungry, must find food" but "Given that I'm hungry, thirsty, am attracted to that person over there, enjoy music, etc. what should I do in the next minute? 10 minutes? Day?"  It's a continually self-updating prioritization of all the other control loops, including adding and subtracting control loops.

Consciousness is that mechanism or ability or desire to decide what we are going to do.  Deep-learning chess machines, Go machines, or even autonomous driving machines don't have that - they can only do that one task. They can't even 'decide' to apply their learning and forecasting ideas onto any other problem space.  To get "general AI" I think all we need is to just put another deep learning machine whose job is to just manage several other deep learning machines.  The difficult part is - we don't have any idea what the learning data needs to be to train that.  For humans, it either came from survival pressure and/or divine influence (depending on your beliefs).  But what would such pressures even be for an AI? I mean, what is the point, other than mimicry, of an AI being able to choose between playing Go and looking for cancer markers?  An AI doesn't need rest, doesn't have to prioritize food, doesn't have reproduction pressure...

It's my belief that, for this reason, we won't have general AI except for specialized situations like companion AI that need to mimic humans.  In reality we'll just end up with specialized AI control logic for various specific tasks.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: scourge728 on May 07, 2018, 09:00:15 am
I mean, AI's DO need to rest, or they will overheat and run slowly before melting, just like a normal computer
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: KittyTac on May 07, 2018, 09:42:22 am
"Consciousness" is the same processes that happen in a simpler animal's mind, but more complex, and is an illusion. Therefore, general AI is possible with enough computational force.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: McTraveller on May 07, 2018, 09:59:45 am
"Consciousness" is the same processes that happen in a simpler animal's mind, but more complex, and is an illusion. Therefore, general AI is possible with enough computational force.
How is it an "illusion"?  A monitoring system that monitors and controls the other control loops and itself is "really" doing that stuff - it's not the case that it merely appears to be monitoring those things.

Or do you mean the "illusion" is that consciousness is something other than a control system?

And I agree that yes, it is likely technically possible to make an AI exhibit the behaviors associated with consciousness given enough computational resources.  I maintain though that it's not a question of computational power, but in the "arrangement" of that computational power. We don't yet know the form or parameters associated with that meta-control system to get one that appears conscious.

Actually an interesting approach to the question of "what is consciousness":  consciousness is that thing you lose when you are unconscious.  So consciousness has something to do with awareness.  I don't know what aspects of "awareness" though - although I suspect it likely has something to do with "awareness of causality".  That is - some internal model of causal relationships is a necessary (but maybe not sufficient) prerequisite for what we think of as consciousness.

Also random - isn't there a scale of... awareness. That is, "conscious" versus "lucid" kind of thing?
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: Egan_BW on May 07, 2018, 03:07:08 pm
As far as I can tell the social definition of consciousness is "works like how I think I think."
Consciousness tautologically cannot be an illusion.

Regarding modern AI, realize that all that we've accomplished so far are really sophisticated statistical regression models that can also isolate what parts of the data are worth trying to create a regression over. In other words, we've nested the regression model so that it calculates a regression over regressions over subsets of the data, and then spits out the best regression and the best subset to regress over.

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/machine_learning.png)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 07, 2018, 03:53:35 pm
i love the fact that with 2 posts I have people debating existence
keep it going guys
btw what is the difference between artificial intelligence and organic intelligence  hrmm
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 07, 2018, 04:08:27 pm
The first one is something created by a specific species of clever ape, who like to make things. The second one contains carbon.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 07, 2018, 04:13:27 pm
The first one is something created by a specific species of clever ape, who like to make things. The second one contains carbon.
no like in regards on intelligence
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: scourge728 on May 07, 2018, 04:15:16 pm
currently quite a lot, as for the future.... who can say
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: FallacyofUrist on May 07, 2018, 10:03:00 pm
btw what is the difference between artificial intelligence and organic intelligence  hrmm
One runs on a machine of metal, one on a machine of fleshy stuff. Unless you define artificial as "deliberately created by another human". In which case artificial intelligence can run on a computer or a brain(on a side note, this may actually be a thing, I've read stuff about deliberately creating secondary consciousnesses with mind shenanigans).

Of course, that also depends on how we define intelligence. Which is another headache.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: KittyTac on May 07, 2018, 10:25:37 pm
I meant that free will is not a thing, as the universe is (almost) deterministic. But it is so hard to compute that it would take billions of years to compute how a human being would act for 1 second.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 07, 2018, 10:29:28 pm
Is the opposite of determinism free will, or it it randomness? How do you define free will as being something other than either deterministic or random? I don't think that people who believe in free will think that that means that all their decisions are made by RNG, but I can't really think what else it could mean.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: KittyTac on May 07, 2018, 10:33:11 pm
I meant that you're not actually making decisions, it just seems that you're making decisions, because the chunk of meat between your ears is wired that way. Both are pretty much the opposite of determinism, yeah.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 07, 2018, 10:43:19 pm
What's the difference between a lump of meat that's me making decisions and me making decisions? Even if it's deterministic I'm the deterministic thing that's calling the shots here.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: KittyTac on May 07, 2018, 11:07:28 pm
You're not calling the shots here, and not actually making decisions.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 08, 2018, 12:04:10 am
By that definition making decisions is a thing that's impossible. So I'm just gonna use the definition of decision-making that can include deterministic processes like me, because otherwise it's simply not a useful concept. Just like free will!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Max™ on May 08, 2018, 12:26:50 am
More accurately: the future exists, as does the past. Time is a direction, we are just wired to treat each instant we notice being aware as the only one that exists, which is kinda like assuming the location you're at is the only one which exists.

Much as there are other positions in space around you, there are other positions in time, and what you see as your self while reading this is just a slice of a weird 4-dimensional wormthing.

Critically, the slice of myself writing this could define a plane of simultaneity which overlaps with a slice of yourself, but it is not the slice that is reading this post right now, and the slice of myself which could overlap with your current self is one I can not see yet, but I have no reason to think he doesn't exist, so why should I assume the earlier slices of myself don't exist? I remember being them, but I am not them anymore, am I?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: KittyTac on May 08, 2018, 12:35:07 am
By that definition making decisions is a thing that's impossible. So I'm just gonna use the definition of decision-making that can include deterministic processes like me, because otherwise it's simply not a useful concept. Just like free will!

Yeah, the thing about free will does not make any real difference.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 08, 2018, 04:56:29 am
but we are talking right? that would be impossible with out free will would it not?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: wierd on May 08, 2018, 05:11:30 am
Robots can talk to each other. I have seen the youtube videos. Computers exchange useful symbols with each other as well, which serves the same purpose.

The thing is not that we are talking. It is what we are talking ABOUT, and the impetus for talking about it.  Most of the time, humans follow very formulaic processes when choosing topics of discussion. This is the very reason why propaganda exists, and works so well.  Most human communication is not as willful as people believe it to be.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: KittyTac on May 08, 2018, 05:24:34 am
but we are talking right? that would be impossible with out free will would it not?
What we say is also pretty much possible to predict.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: McTraveller on May 08, 2018, 06:49:01 am
Eh, the universe isn't deterministic at the quantum level.  That is, for the same inputs and starting state, the result will not be the exact same.  There has been some recent research that is suggesting that neural activity involves quantum effects so, in fact, "decision making" is not deterministic after all.

So thinking isn't really deterministic - it's probabilistic at least.  And once you have consciousness, it's probable (heh) that the conscious process can influence probabilities, so we do, in fact, likely have "free will" for all practical definitions of it.  (Now enter Calvin versus Armenius...)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: KittyTac on May 08, 2018, 07:34:52 am
Eh, the universe isn't deterministic at the quantum level.  That is, for the same inputs and starting state, the result will not be the exact same.  There has been some recent research that is suggesting that neural activity involves quantum effects so, in fact, "decision making" is not deterministic after all.

So thinking isn't really deterministic - it's probabilistic at least.  And once you have consciousness, it's probable (heh) that the conscious process can influence probabilities, so we do, in fact, likely have "free will" for all practical definitions of it.  (Now enter Calvin versus Armenius...)

I know about that. But if thinking was controlled by quantum mechanics, we would have pure RNG thoughts and not the rather coherent thoughts we have.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: taat on May 08, 2018, 11:35:20 am
Free will isn't really about being deterministic, people wouldn't call randomness free will either, unless of course they believe in quantum magic which allows the fractal soul to manipulate probability.

I'm really quite sure that when people use the word "free will" they mean that decisions made by humans are somehow special, for example by not having to follow the rules everything else has, like having an immortal soul that can make changes from the comfort of the spirit plane. It doesn't actually mean anything other than "I am a human and I am important. Believe me."
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: scourge728 on May 08, 2018, 11:38:35 am
People like to say America should switch to a year round school, the problem is we have a lot of schools with no air conditioning and a lot of areas that regularly get over 100 in the summer... which seems like a great way to get heat stroke in a concrete building with very few windows and no real way to dissipate heat, and being forced to run around in such conditions
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Hanslanda on May 08, 2018, 01:14:54 pm
Survival of the fittest at work.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Pancakes on May 08, 2018, 02:57:11 pm
I'd imagine it would work similarly to how you can fireproof dwarves. Melt off the fat, and you're good to go! Though I cannot think of as many uses for a fireproof human, let alone a schoolchild, as I can a dwarf. Maybe American schools are an IRL dwarven day care center, minus the dwarves...

Wait a minute, it all makes sense now!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 09, 2018, 06:48:29 pm
can potatoes(or other plants)  be sentient ? hrmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 09, 2018, 06:59:46 pm
Probably, though if you've modified one enough for that to be the case it would be debatable whether or not it's still a potato.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Pancakes on May 09, 2018, 09:27:35 pm
What is a truly neutral image, though? And what are these emotional images, would a sociopath present different results? If emotion and personality can vary so greatly from one person to another, how do we not know that the aforementioned "lookahead" does not also vary?

If so, there would be some rather unsettling conclusions that could be drawn. Such as do certain people have more free will than others, etc. Of course, this study needs to be thoroughly tested with a much larger range + number of people to even be remotely credible. Still, it's an interesting thing to think about.

BUT, perhaps the greatest thing to come of this is that there are readable and recognizable EXG readings prior to emotional images being shown. What can illicit emotion in someone? An idea. A new idea, to be precise. If we can recognize when an idea is thought of, and do some super-duper-high-tech-thing with it, we could send an electrical impulse on a new idea being thought of. We could use that impulse to power a light bulb! In the future, lightbulbs will literally light up when someone has an idea, just like in cartoons!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: KittyTac on May 09, 2018, 09:44:41 pm
The "discovery" is most likely a bunk, though, as Ispil was not able to find anything else on it, it would likely be a huge sensation if it was true.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 09, 2018, 09:55:36 pm
If it were real we'd probably be seeing people setting up giant arrays of people set up in front of monitors wearing brain scanners, in order to send information minutes back in time and therefore make a killing on the stock market.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: wierd on May 09, 2018, 11:07:58 pm
"We have the "5 second advantage" in our trades! In this era of microsecond transactions, our ability to show stock market data to living analysts and get their reactions precognitively gives our algorithms a profound advantage over pure computational models!"

Silly aside, there *IS* respectable research about DECISION MAKING happening in advance before one makes the action of committal.

https://www.nature.com/news/2008/080411/full/news.2008.751.html (Friendly pop article)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nn.2112 (Actual paper)

To me though, that just highlights how free will is illusory, and that the mechanisms that drive our decision making happen without our control or knowledge, and then we simply believe we have chosen willfully.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 09, 2018, 11:14:08 pm
Ah, but if you use enough people you can get MORE than a 5 second advantage.
You "send" a bit by presenting the human with either an emotional or neutral image. Emotional is a 1, neutral is a 0.
5 seconds in the past, the scanner picks up that 1 or 0. Then you can put that bit on the screen of a different human, sending the bit back another 5 seconds. With enough stacks you could send data hours or days back in time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: wierd on May 09, 2018, 11:30:33 pm
I am sure that there will be some kind of diminishing return that will make the signal useless after the first pass. :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 09, 2018, 11:33:50 pm
Then you just need more humans to amplify the signal. Should be easy enough to get buttloads of people on the premise of "get paid minimum wage to stare at this screen all day and do nothing".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: wierd on May 09, 2018, 11:36:58 pm
Runs foul of expected returns from the trade.  Has to be in the intersection where there is a profit from the trade, over the cost of hiring humans, over the loss of signal from compounded sessions.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: Jopax on May 10, 2018, 06:14:58 am
A thought occured to me that the US could potentially see the rise of small scale communism in the coming decades. Perhaps not in name (reeeeeee kerminism) but something similar to what the Israelis have with their (and the term escapes me atm) several dozen family strong communities which pool their resources together for things like housing, living expenses, child raising and similar.

Some of this could already be seen in the artistic community where you'd have 4-5 freelance artists pooling together for a big flat and sharing the expenses while working from home so it's only logical to have something like it pop up elsewhere. People driven together by econimic hardship, forming say a communal kindergarden where each of the mothers take turns in watching the kids or similar. Or even splitting medical costs between themselves so the impact of an injury or sickness isn't back-breaking on a single person.

Hell certain indications of this could've been seen in what the occupy movement did by raising funds and buying off student debt for people, tho that was several years ago, not sure where it is now as I hadn't really followed it much.

In the end tho, I think it'll mostly come down to folks toning down the individualism in favor of a more community oriented worldview.

tl;dr
Random thought on how funny it would be that rampant capitalism turned parts of the US low-key communist.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - The Derp Philosophy Thread
Post by: McTraveller on May 10, 2018, 06:39:45 am
Quantum-based thought wouldn't have to be "random" - it would just be probabilistic.  The value you get by summing two dice is not mathematically random - it follows a probability distribution where some values are more likely than others.

Regarding the 5-second "lookahead": that is probably just merely anticipation.  The human brain is really good at developing a model of the universe, so probably just anticipates an image, and starts "priming" the reaction.  An even more mundane example is the ability to catch a ball.  In technical terms, this is just a predictor-corrector control system.

Shared resources isn't necessarily "communisim" - though I suppose at some point it might be.  Did you know that in the US there are actually places where people do share land and resources? And these places are literally called communes?  They work quite well up to a certain size.  There's also a sad semantic error that people often make: communism is merely sharing resources like that. What most people think of when they hear "communism" though is really "socialism" which is state control of resources, or forced public communism, rather than what you've described which is private communism.  Or more traditionally, "a community."
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 11, 2018, 01:55:52 am
oh no
this form is a voluntary communism  ;D
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Teneb on May 11, 2018, 08:35:31 am
oh no
this forum is a voluntary communism  ;D
We must seize the memes of production.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 12, 2018, 12:16:13 pm
and PUNISH the resisters
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: MrRoboto75 on May 13, 2018, 05:17:55 pm
The sun never sets on the Golden Arches
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 13, 2018, 05:36:17 pm
um what yes it does there is such thing as night in LA
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: scourge728 on May 13, 2018, 06:02:15 pm
I thought the Golden Arches were referring to McDonald's
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 13, 2018, 06:18:45 pm
oh ok then yes that is a thing
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: MrRoboto75 on May 14, 2018, 12:28:41 am
there is such thing as night

[Citation Needed]
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Egan_BW on May 14, 2018, 12:29:14 am
how can night be real if it sun isn't real
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Teneb on May 14, 2018, 11:34:17 am
how can night be real if it sun isn't real
The Sun is fake news.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Hanslanda on May 14, 2018, 12:45:22 pm
The Earth is flat, suspended on granite pillars, surrounded by an enormous dome known as the Firmament.

God, I cannot seriously believe people think that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: KittyTac on May 15, 2018, 08:45:28 am
Before I have to call Toady, let's shift the subject. To cats, for example
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Hanslanda on May 15, 2018, 09:18:53 am
Before I have to call Toady, let's shift the subject. To cats, for example

I am confused now.

Anyways, cats only have four breeds. Egyptian Mau, Siamese, Mancoon, and cat.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 18, 2018, 04:35:40 pm
it is PURRfect
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: wierd on May 22, 2018, 11:38:37 pm
I would argue that sentience is an over-rated, illusionary concept.  That humans are nothing more than complex state machines, where the initial conditions are impossible to know or reproduce, due to incomplete knowledge of those conditions, and little else.

There might be some genuine hardware-based randomness, due to the use of wiggly bits of protein, ion diffusion rates, and other bits and bobs that are not always going to be consistent across operational thresholds (Compare, a computer suffering thermal noise, or having brownouts, and so inconsistent calculation results for identical datasets) but that is not sentience.  No more than a quantum particle is sentient, at least.

This is why I feel computer based simulation of human "consciousness" is theoretically possible. It is not "sentient" in the commonly ascribed way, but then again, neither is the human.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: KittyTac on May 23, 2018, 12:16:30 am
I would argue that sentience is an over-rated, illusionary concept.  That humans are nothing more than complex state machines, where the initial conditions are impossible to know or reproduce, due to incomplete knowledge of those conditions, and little else.

There might be some genuine hardware-based randomness, due to the use of wiggly bits of protein, ion diffusion rates, and other bits and bobs that are not always going to be consistent across operational thresholds (Compare, a computer suffering thermal noise, or having brownouts, and so inconsistent calculation results for identical datasets) but that is not sentience.  No more than a quantum particle is sentient, at least.

This is why I feel computer based simulation of human "consciousness" is theoretically possible. It is not "sentient" in the commonly ascribed way, but then again, neither is the human.
This.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: KittyTac on May 23, 2018, 12:54:21 am
We're considering only things that can be scientifically proven. The concept of a soul is irrelevant in scientific discussions. :) With that out of the way, we have probabilistic thoughts without free will.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Egan_BW on May 23, 2018, 06:08:56 am
So, a thought experiment. No particular desired outcome here, but it does make for an interesting thing to think about. At least, interesting in the sense that it's midnight and it probably is a lot less interesting than I think it is.



Suppose that, for the sake of this thought experiment, that a computable model of artificial intelligence is discovered. I say computable for the sake of satisfaction of the Church-Turing thesis; noncomputability would invalidate this thought experiment. Now, suppose that I, an individual, have a book detailing how this artificial intelligence model works (i.e. I have the "source code", or some total enumeration of the algorithm in a formal language). I wish to work out the algorithm with paper in pencil, supposing that I have the infinite capacity to do so (no constraints on the materials or time required). By the virtue of it being a computable model, it is possible (by the Church-Turing thesis) that I can, in fact, work out the very process with nothing more than pencil and paper. If I perform this process long enough, then I will have what could effectively be called "sentient"- after all, that is the goal of artificial intelligence research. However, what exactly is sentient in this situation? The paper cannot be sentient- it's paper, it has no agency here and is merely a device for which information is being stored. While I am sentient, my sentience is not particularly pertinent to the process of following a set of rules. Then there's the idea that it is the system- that is, the system of both paper and the justification for alterations to the paper via pencil- that exhibits sentience, but there's an interesting notion here: should I cease performing operations, the process does not go forward. It does not "die," but becomes frozen in time at that particular state... but does the state here necessarily matter? Given any randomly generated pattern, there is a chance that with minimal transformation that this pattern happens to be exactly what is expressed on the paper. Are those also sentient beings trapped in time? If I apply the rules of this artificial intelligence to arbitrary starting points as "memory", then it seems that there is definitely something important regarding their coupling. That is, that the output of a sentient model is no more sentient than if produced by random chance; the rules, certainly, have an important influence on the sentience of the system. The rules themselves, though, are not sentient.

So, given our setup, the paper is not sentient. The rules are not sentient. The means of action of performing the rules with reference to what's written on the paper is not sentient (unrelated sentience notwithstanding). I suppose a better way to frame the actual thing to think about here is that, given above, what here is doing the thinking? What has a sense of self here? The paper and pencil here is interchangeable with the rearrangement of rocks in a line- it is nothing more than a means of storing information. Then is it whatever mechanism that is having to act upon the rules given the information sentient? If I were to replace myself here with a system of flywheels and pullies, would this mechanical processor be sentient?

Ultimately, this boils down to whether sentience is a property of dynamic systems. Is it the dynamic system that exhibits sentience, or is it the idea of the dynamic system, in a metaphysical sense? Or can sentience not be expressed in a computable system?
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Hanslanda on May 23, 2018, 11:07:53 am
The thought experiment you described is known as the Chinese Room problem. It's a well known philosophical problem with AI research. It's also irrelevant to the end result of a sentient AI. Perception is reality. If it seems real, acts real, and thinks it is real, you might as well unknot your brain and accept it. It is a fun thought experiment though.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: scourge728 on May 23, 2018, 04:28:33 pm
I mean, if you write the entire genetic code of a human onto paper, it's the same thing isn't it?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: wierd on May 23, 2018, 05:34:45 pm
...

You program a startrek holodeck with a very resource demanding simulation that simulates atomic arrangements and interractions. Some jackwad uses it to simulate single celled life. Are the simulations alive?

Also, the argumentum ad absurdum for your previous thought experiment:

A mechanical clock is comprised of springs and gears. None of which individually can tell time. How does the clock tell time? What is the finite basis of adding gears and springs to each other at which it becomes able to tell time? Can the ability to tell time be derived from first principles?

To which, all of the facts point to: 1) It tells time by exploitation of stored mechanical energy in its springs, being released against friction on a gearing assembly that exploits mechanical advantages of gearing ratios. 2) Depends on the granularity of time you want to measure, the amount of energy stored, and rate of delivery of the springs, and the degree of friction the gears provide to resist it.  3) Yes.

Humans are currently quite capable of storing all the data inside their heads and processing it easily to resolve this problem set. The issue is that humans are not so capable when it comes to holding all the data inside their heads and processing it easily to resolve the problem set you have suggested. Due to human inability to comprehend, a false presumption that it cannot be known or understood is raised. This creates a mystique that is known as "Sentience."

Compare: A bunch of clocks trying to figure out how a clock works.  Clockwork in general is a form of applied relational logic, which is how things like Babbage's engine can be made from it. It is theoretically possible that a complex enough clock could comprehend (store, process data on, and create useful predictions about) the nature of clockwork. Ordinary wall clocks lack the capacities to understand how other ordinary wall clocks operate. Humans likewise lack the capacities to understand how humans work.  That does not make the humans any more or less machines than the wall clocks. They just operate on different physical principles.

Humans at some level realize that they are incapable of storing all the data reliably inside themselves, which is why they created computers to begin with (books first!), and why they create ever more sophisticated ones, pooling the resources of multiple humans (and those of previously made computers) in the effort collaboratively.  Eventually, we will make a system capable of accurately modeling and predicting all possible human behaviors, by accumulating and processing all of the data required. That system will likewise be able to derive and simulate all human endeavor down to first order principles.

This will make the mystique go away. It will make many humans upset and angry-- they dont WANT to be machines, they want to be SPECIAL. Confronted with a formal proof of their biomechanical natures, they will deny. It will be both terrible, and great (in both senses) at the same time.  Many deny even now. It is why we are having this discussion.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: scourge728 on May 23, 2018, 05:57:55 pm
I was comparing the writing of the genetic code to the writing of a hypothetical sentient machine code
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: wierd on May 23, 2018, 06:00:09 pm
that's a quibble over a self-generated signal.

The clock does not tell time, because it does not reference its own output, basically.  However, see Babbage's engine. It DOES do that, and is still just clockwork.

Humans are little more than complex state machines that produce internal signals that get fed into the next state along with the sensory data they take in. In this way, the previous state of the state machine influences the next state of the state machine. Without knowledge of the initial state of the state machine, it is not possible to predict the next iteration of the state machine.  This does not mean that the fundamental principles of the state machine cannot be known.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: wierd on May 23, 2018, 06:12:42 pm
Ok-- How about we go about it this way.

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prin·ci·ple
ˈprinsəpəl/
noun
noun: principle; plural noun: principles

    1.
    a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.
    "the basic principles of Christianity"
    synonyms:   truth, proposition, concept, idea, theory, assumption, fundamental, essential, ground rule
    "elementary principles"
        a rule or belief governing one's personal behavior.
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        integrity, uprightness, righteousness, virtue, probity, (sense of) honor, decency, conscience, scruples
        "a woman of principle"
        morally correct behavior and attitudes.
        "a man of principle"
        synonyms:   morals, morality, (code of) ethics, beliefs, ideals, standards; More
        integrity, uprightness, righteousness, virtue, probity, (sense of) honor, decency, conscience, scruples
        "a woman of principle"
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        a natural law forming the basis for the construction or working of a machine.
        "these machines all operate on the same general principle"
    2.
    a fundamental source or basis of something.
    "the first principle of all things was water"


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mech·an·ism
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noun
noun: mechanism; plural noun: mechanisms

    1.
    a system of parts working together in a machine; a piece of machinery.
    "the gunner injured his arm in the turret mechanism"
    synonyms:   machine, piece of machinery, appliance, apparatus, device, instrument, contraption, gadget; More
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    a natural or established process by which something takes place or is brought about.
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    "a formal mechanism for citizens to lodge complaints"
        a contrivance in the plot of a literary work.
        "his Irma La Douce is a musical based on the farce mechanism"
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    Philosophy
    the doctrine that all natural phenomena, including life and thought, allow mechanical explanation by physics and chemistry.

Origin
mid 17th century: from modern Latin mechanismus, from Greek mēkhanē (see machine).
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Use over time for: mechanism

The principles at work inside a human are known.  Chemical interactions, quantum mechanical interactions (plays a role in protein conformation, among others), and electromagnetic interractions (such as charge potentials from ion concentrations)  This is analogous to the principles behind which a mechanical clock or calculator are based on.

The mechanisms involved are specific to the arrangements thereof. EG, the difference between a wall clock, and babbage's engine, is the arrangement of the parts, not the principles of operation.

Likewise the differences between a mouse and a human are the arrangement of the parts, not the principles of their operation.

Both the parts themselves and the principles by which they interact with each other can be known and simulated. Thus, with a sufficiently complex/capable simulation, both can be simulated in their entirety.

The obstacle to simulating an imprint of a specific human in that framework is fundamentally being able to know the initial state from which to progress from, not the ability to compute the result.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: wierd on May 23, 2018, 06:23:00 pm
I think we are talking past each other. Being rude does not help.

You were the one who was just arguing that I was conflating principle with mechanism. I just elaborated how I was not doing so. Being mad about it does not help you.

The point of the ad-absurdum was to reduce a complex phenomenon with an analogous, less complex one.  EG, the biological soup of human existence, for the rigid cogs and gears of the clockwork automaton.  What holds true of the less complex one, will also hold true of the more complex one, as they are both fundementally state machines.

You can argue that humans are not state machines until you are blue in the face, but the reality is that there is a finite quanta for time in a local spacetime, the plank-second, and a finite quanta for how fast information can be propagated (the speed of light in vacuum). The ENTIRE UNIVERSE is a state machine, in which humans are simulated/embedded.

Thus, by necessity, humans are state machines.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: wierd on May 23, 2018, 06:28:50 pm
YES. YES.  I KNOW WHAT IT IS.  YES, I KNOW WHAT YOU SAID.


You are not understanding what *I* said, when I said that sentience is an illusion.
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Post by: wierd on May 23, 2018, 06:32:12 pm
Can you even define what sentience *IS*?

:P
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Post by: wierd on May 23, 2018, 06:38:17 pm
Ok, Let's tentatively use Wikipedia's opening blurb then, since it is arbitarily as good as any other outside of more rigorous terms being used--

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Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive or experience subjectively.[1] Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to think (reason) from the ability to feel (sentience). In modern Western philosophy, sentience is the ability to experience sensations (known in philosophy of mind as "qualia"). In Eastern philosophy, sentience is a metaphysical quality of all things that require respect and care. The concept is central to the philosophy of animal rights because sentience is necessary for the ability to suffer, and thus is held to confer certain rights.

In this sense, the "sentience" of something relates to its ability to make a unique internal signal that relates to the outside environment. A "Feeling".

In the absurdum model I presented, this is no different than a unique signal generated in a less capable system, being backfed into the simulation of the next state. It could be unique because of a difference in the viscosity of the grease used, or a bit of dust in the bearings. It is still a signal that is being generated internally being backfed into the next iteration of the state.

It is not special. It is illusionary to consider it seperate from the operation of the device, as it is an integral part of the operation of the device.


More specifically, when I said this:

Quote from: emphasis added
that's a quibble over a self-generated signal.

The clock does not tell time, because it does not reference its own output, basically.  However, see Babbage's engine. It DOES do that, and is still just clockwork.

Humans are little more than complex state machines that produce internal signals that get fed into the next state along with the sensory data they take in. In this way, the previous state of the state machine influences the next state of the state machine. Without knowledge of the initial state of the state machine, it is not possible to predict the next iteration of the state machine.  This does not mean that the fundamental principles of the state machine cannot be known.

It is a direct refutation of the first paragraph of the wikipedia article on sentience:

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Philosophy and sentience

In the philosophy of consciousness, sentience can refer to the ability of any entity to have subjective perceptual experiences, or as some philosophers refer to them, "qualia".[2] This is distinct from other aspects of the mind and consciousness, such as creativity, intelligence, sapience, self-awareness, and intentionality (the ability to have thoughts about something). Sentience is a minimalistic way of defining consciousness, which otherwise commonly and collectively describes sentience plus other characteristics of the mind.

Some philosophers, notably Colin McGinn, believe that sentience will never be understood, a position known as "new mysterianism". They do not deny that most other aspects of consciousness are subject to scientific investigation but they argue that subjective experiences will never be explained; i.e., sentience is the only aspect of consciousness that can't be explained. Other philosophers (such as Daniel Dennett, who also argues that non-human animals are not sentient) disagree, arguing that all aspects of consciousness will eventually be explained by science.[3]

The inability to predict a specific instance of the type of state machine, due to incomplete initial state data, does not prove that the knowledge of the core principles of operation are wrong. It simply means you lack sufficient information to establish the state you are transitioning from, and thus, why you failed to arrive at the predicted state.

"Sentience" as used by philosophers is "Magic woo sauce", if you take the above to its conclusion.

It is also why I made the jab at "Can you even define what it *IS*?"---  If, per the beliefs of some philosophers, it CANNOT be understood, how then, CAN you define what it *IS* ? ;P

If you cannot define what it *IS*, how do you define what it  *IS NOT*, and subsequently, how can you determine that the simulation lacks it?

When you boil it down, it basically just becomes "I am not complex enough to understand the root causalities of individual quirks in behavior, thus it cannot be known." This is not rational.  We are not the highest possible form of life; we (humans) are designing one that can surpass us even as we (you and I) discuss this, even though our faults make us have great difficulty in the performance of that task.


To me, the argument about "Sentience" is specious at worst, and illusion at best.
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Post by: wierd on May 23, 2018, 07:49:30 pm
See, we were just talking past each other the whole time.

I even lamplit that humans are no more sentient than a quantum particle is on the very outset. :P
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Post by: Hanslanda on May 24, 2018, 08:24:49 am
Semantics start the best arguments.
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Post by: Lunardog15 on May 27, 2018, 04:20:23 am
*gets up to refill popcorn*
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Post by: A Thing on May 27, 2018, 03:15:33 pm
Whenever a movie/book/game/pizza is advertised as life-changing isn't that just an oxymoron? I mean, even a terrible pizza could probably put an idea in your mind that wasn't there before; like not buying pizza from that place again.

Was this post life-changing?
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Post by: Egan_BW on May 27, 2018, 05:51:05 pm
...I do not think that's what oxymoron means.
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Post by: A Thing on May 27, 2018, 05:58:53 pm
...I do not think that's what oxymoron means.

No, it apparently isn't. I probably should've looked that up first. Oh well, this isn't exactly the serious philosophy thread.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Teneb on May 27, 2018, 06:00:01 pm
...I do not think that's what oxymoron means.

No, it apparently isn't. I probably should've looked that up first. Oh well, this isn't exactly the serious philosophy thread.
You could say that Egan_BW's post was life-changing for you.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Egan_BW on May 27, 2018, 06:02:43 pm
Or at least vocabulary-expanding. >.>
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 28, 2018, 09:28:31 pm
puns are great
change my mind
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Egan_BW on May 28, 2018, 09:48:13 pm
No, you are beyond saving.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 28, 2018, 09:49:58 pm
No, you are beyond saving.
just try
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Post by: Egan_BW on May 28, 2018, 09:50:45 pm
Nope.
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Post by: Lunardog15 on May 28, 2018, 09:58:54 pm
if you do it no more puns
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Post by: ggamer on May 28, 2018, 10:27:33 pm
Does anyone mind helping me out for a sec? I'm trying to remember a certain forum game we had forever ago. The basic idea, as far as we got with it, was a standard suggestion game at it's core, with a twist: all players are actually entities inside some sort of computer whispering into the brain of PC's picked at random (several died off, IIRC). The players were also able to conjure any object conceivable, at the cost of a somewhat realistic amount of processing power. After enough processing power was used, the CPU dedicated to conjuration would refresh and the players would be unable to affect the world in any way for a few turns. It was a novel idea, and it's been stuck in my head for a couple days now.
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Post by: KittyTac on May 28, 2018, 11:07:14 pm
My philosophy is a hybrid of hedonism/existentialism/nihilism. There is no purpose in life, religion is man-made, there is no absolute morality. But we should still help each other, for life is more enjoyable that way.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Lunardog15 on May 29, 2018, 08:22:11 pm
my cat says that my purrpose is to give belly rubs
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: KittyTac on July 09, 2018, 09:43:17 am
The votes in Russia may be rigged in favor of the president. You know what they say, in Putinist Russia, president determines the votes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Yoink on July 12, 2018, 09:09:51 am
Imagine if defecation was actually a butt-period, and being constipated meant you were pregnant with a butt-baby.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Magistrum on July 12, 2018, 04:07:38 pm
Gatleos was right, this is stoner philosophy thread.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Yoink on July 12, 2018, 07:44:25 pm
I'm not stoned, just constipated.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Hanslanda on July 14, 2018, 09:52:41 am
I got stoned once. Thankfully it was by pygmies with a surfeit of stones in their area, so I only got a few lacerations and bruises.
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Post by: scourge728 on August 15, 2018, 12:31:39 am
They should make a Waluigi game, and the whole plot is Waluigi is trying to get himself a game, and in the end he gets to Nintendo and they give him a game, and it IS the Waluigi game, the one you'd be playing at that moment.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Hanslanda on August 15, 2018, 12:44:05 pm
Call it Waluigi 2: Meta AF
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Post by: Trekkin on August 15, 2018, 12:52:27 pm
They should then make a sequel in which he's now trapped in that game and wants out, a la the Matrix.

"Free your mind."
"WAA!!"

Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Bumber on August 22, 2018, 10:14:14 pm
What about Waluigi's Taco Stand (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UWM43imrXY)?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Jopax on August 24, 2018, 04:31:09 pm
The other day I was driving some brit folk around and one of the ladies commented how she thought it was real neat that our gas stations were such social places, with pretty much every one of them having a cafe alongside the station shop. Didn't pay much attention to it then, but then I considered it and started wondering, is that something that's rare in the rest of the world? Where a place that people stop to pour gas or buy snacks for the road can sit down and have a cup of whatever before continuing their trip. Or is almost ritual coffee drinking not that big of a deal in the rest of the world and just something we got from the ottomans?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: KittyTac on August 24, 2018, 11:55:35 pm
Most gas stations in Russia which are on long roads have cafes, mostly for long-distance truckers.
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Post by: Baffler on August 25, 2018, 12:20:44 am
The same is true of the emptier or more out of the way parts of the USA.
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Post by: CABL on August 25, 2018, 09:23:50 am
Constipation is the Dark Souls of pooping, change my mind.
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Post by: dragdeler on August 25, 2018, 11:43:37 am
-snip-
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Post by: scourge728 on August 25, 2018, 02:30:52 pm
You mean this? (https://i.imgur.com/URyBy3c.png)
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Post by: Reelya on August 25, 2018, 02:33:48 pm
The other day I was driving some brit folk around and one of the ladies commented how she thought it was real neat that our gas stations were such social places, with pretty much every one of them having a cafe alongside the station shop. Didn't pay much attention to it then, but then I considered it and started wondering, is that something that's rare in the rest of the world? Where a place that people stop to pour gas or buy snacks for the road can sit down and have a cup of whatever before continuing their trip. Or is almost ritual coffee drinking not that big of a deal in the rest of the world and just something we got from the ottomans?

In Australia we have plenty of cars, but a stinky petrol station reeking of gasoline fumes is the last place anyone would want to socialize. There might be a convenience store there, but it's the sort of place where you get in and get out ASAP.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: dragdeler on August 25, 2018, 02:40:21 pm
-snip-
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Post by: KittyTac on September 05, 2018, 04:32:11 am
Glory to Bay12!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: WealthyRadish on September 22, 2018, 06:05:02 pm
I was thinking about the phrase "I could eat a horse" today for whatever reason, and it occurred to me that its implied meaning and possible origin might be a bit darker than the sense it's normally used in. The thing to ask is, why a horse? Why not some other large animal that people normally eat, that it would be an exaggeration to say you were hungry enough to eat in one sitting, like a cow, pig, goat, etc? Maybe because horse is usually worse meat, which adds to the exaggeration of hunger, but I don't think that's it.

It seems to me that the hunger that the phrase is describing isn't the modern sort where most people can't go 4 hours without getting hungry, or even really a direct description of hunger at all, but rather is referring to the desperation that comes with deciding to kill and eat your farm work animal (and using that link to ordinary hunger as a little joke). Nearly all of us are the decedents of peasants who at some point in our ancestry would have been starving to death and forced to eat draught animals, most of us within the last 200 years. A phrase like "I could eat a horse" (if wasn't already an omnipresent cliche) just wouldn't be interesting enough to gain currency if it wasn't making a clever little connection to some other concept than the feeling of hunger. It's a bit interesting to think about how these things get lost over time, even if it makes no difference now.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Hanslanda on September 23, 2018, 04:40:18 am
I've actually heard horse meat is pretty good, though on the excessively lean side like venison.
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Post by: Il Palazzo on September 23, 2018, 04:47:17 am
I've actually heard horse meat is pretty good, though on the excessively lean side like venison.
I've had Italian salami made from horse meat. It was delicious.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Reelya on September 23, 2018, 05:39:17 am
The earliest versions of the phrase were "I could eat a horse behind the saddle". So what it originally meant all hang on whatever they meant by "behind the saddle".

Grammar websites assume this means "i'm so hungry I could eat a horse's arse". But "getting behind the saddle" also means to ride a bike, so i don't know if that's a possible interpretation: "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse while I'm riding it".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 23, 2018, 05:49:45 am
There's an almost identical expression in Polish, literally "I'd eat a horse with hooves". I don't think there ever was any mention of a saddle in this case, so there's something about it being a horse and not some other ungulate, that signifies being super hungry.
The hooves part may have parallel meaning to 'behind saddle' - the latter perhaps being the toughest or otherwise least appetising part of the animal, similar to its hooves.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on September 24, 2018, 10:10:29 pm
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 25, 2018, 12:52:43 am
I don't understand that, but Apelsin is Swedish for Orange.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: CABL on September 25, 2018, 01:43:22 am
I don't understand that, but Apelsin is Swedish for Orange.

It's also Russian for orange (Cyrillic: Апельсин).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 25, 2018, 10:24:17 am
-snip-
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 25, 2018, 10:47:16 am
Well sinapel is the words in their correct order
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 25, 2018, 10:54:20 am
-snip-
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 25, 2018, 11:09:50 am
"Jord" means "earth", "gubbe" means "old man". Jordgubbe, despite not making any fucking sense, at some point became the de facto word for what was previously called (iirc) jordbär, just like all other Germanic languages.

Apelsin iirc means Chinese Apple. Which is why the sin part should come first.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 25, 2018, 11:15:44 am
-snip-
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: Yoink on September 26, 2018, 09:52:50 pm
So many job openings for care workers. Why can't I be an "I-don't-care worker"? Just get paid to sit somewhere manning a desk and just not giving a fukk about anything, Bernard Black-style... that's pretty much the dream.


The other day I was driving some brit folk around and one of the ladies commented how she thought it was real neat that our gas stations were such social places, with pretty much every one of them having a cafe alongside the station shop. Didn't pay much attention to it then, but then I considered it and started wondering, is that something that's rare in the rest of the world? Where a place that people stop to pour gas or buy snacks for the road can sit down and have a cup of whatever before continuing their trip. Or is almost ritual coffee drinking not that big of a deal in the rest of the world and just something we got from the ottomans?

In Australia we have plenty of cars, but a stinky petrol station reeking of gasoline fumes is the last place anyone would want to socialize. There might be a convenience store there, but it's the sort of place where you get in and get out ASAP.
In my experience there are often little cafes attached to gas stations service stations servos in addition to the ubiquitous convenience store, sometimes even with booths and everything.

Honestly I think basically every large, chain servo has a cafe these days... and out on the highfreeway the rest stop servos will sometimes have entire foodcourts accompanying them, complete with McDonald's playgrounds and all that shit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - Small Scale Kewminism
Post by: MrRoboto75 on September 26, 2018, 10:23:35 pm
So many job openings for care workers. Why can't I be an "I-don't-care worker"? Just get paid to sit somewhere manning a desk and just not giving a fukk about anything, Bernard Black-style... that's pretty much the dream.

That's the boss you are think of.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on October 03, 2018, 05:01:00 am
KittyTac's Law of Anthem Quality: The more oppressive and/or mismanaged a country is, the better its anthem. In other words, an anthem's quality is inversely proportional to its country's quality.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: wierd on October 03, 2018, 05:10:48 am
Strongbadia must be the best place ever then. :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 20, 2018, 04:15:33 pm
-snip-
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on October 20, 2018, 05:35:21 pm
Is there a word that sounds like atteal, or bears a ressemblence to those sounds, and designates something a horse wears or a part of a wagon or jewelry or idk? It must have something to do with the neck or shoulders.

lol fuck I'm laughing stupid ass off at myself, I don't know where this coming from, I guess it doesn't exist because I can't just make up words and presume them to exist, even if it's on a very strong intuition

I found a list of horse words, if it helps. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_equestrian_terms)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 20, 2018, 06:00:52 pm
-snip-
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on October 20, 2018, 09:06:21 pm
I love how this is impossible to derail by its very nature.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on October 21, 2018, 12:30:35 am
Who would win, one alligator or two gharials?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 22, 2018, 02:09:49 pm
-snip-
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 24, 2018, 06:12:18 am
If Jesus' body is that of a cracker, isn't that definite proof that he was white?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 24, 2018, 06:45:20 am
If Jesus' body is that of a cracker, isn't that definite proof that he was white?
But the priest has to use magic to turn the cracker into Jesus. So I guess this shows he was anything but.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on November 03, 2018, 04:01:30 pm
Imagine if US presidency was determined via pro-wrestling matches instead of boring old elections. Like a title defence in the middle of the white house, with other party members occasionally invading the ring to assist their candidate and perhaps smack one another with folding chairs.
It would be glorious.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: WealthyRadish on November 03, 2018, 05:07:00 pm
I guess professional wrestling is less rigged.




I would like to note that there are other legitimate criticisms to be made of the US election systems that do not include literal illegal rigging, but are just as serious and should not be discounted by the inaccurate criticism implied by this dumb joke
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: CABL on November 05, 2018, 05:20:07 am
I used to hate Nightcore, until I've realized the whole "genre" has a deeper meaning: It has obnoxious, high-pitched, auto-tuned vocals, that are almost as irritating as baby crying noises.

To put it simple for those who haven't watched Rick & Morty, and thus, have low IQ: Nightcore has annoying, nauseating vocals. You know what else is annoying and nauseating? Baby crying noises. Therefore, Nightcore genre is baby crying noises with instrumentals in it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on November 05, 2018, 07:45:41 am
Imagine if US presidency was determined via pro-wrestling matches instead of boring old elections. Like a title defence in the middle of the white house, with other party members occasionally invading the ring to assist their candidate and perhaps smack one another with folding chairs.
It would be glorious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEM5hW6BMJA
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on March 08, 2019, 03:31:25 am
I have a tendency to procrastinate. In fact, I am doing so right now.
Sometimes in the course of procrastinating about one thing, I wind up doing various other, arguably productive, things instead.

But it occurred to me just before, as I was cooking myself a slice of toast (I'm supposed to be going to the shops to acquire food, but my procrastination decided I needed a snack beforehand), that everything I do - whether it is the thing I'm "supposed" to be doing at the time or something else or nothing at all - is procrastination.

Life is just the act of procrastinating on Death.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on March 08, 2019, 04:16:37 am
It's not procrastination cutting yourself to avoid sharp edges
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 09, 2019, 06:04:59 am
So, I like math. I thought up of something that would be incredibly suspicious if spoken out loud.

I do math to cope with the stresses in my life.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Castlecliff on March 10, 2019, 01:28:28 am
Oh this old nut.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on March 16, 2019, 11:06:26 pm
Harm reduction, not fun prevention
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 18, 2019, 02:04:14 am
If you get ninja'd by Ninja, is it called getting Ninja'd?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on March 19, 2019, 08:53:48 am
It would be interesting to count up the total number of each number in the rate the user above you thread and see what the ratio between them is
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magistrum on March 19, 2019, 08:51:41 pm
I think the minimum is 5/10 because everyone that is active is popular in at least in one of the boards.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 20, 2019, 02:30:46 am
I think the minimum is 5/10 because everyone that is active is popular in at least in one of the boards.
I believe this also holds for the average rating of all users for the same reason.
It might be more helpful to consider a "relative" rating rather than taking the average of the ratings of a user directly.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: CABL on April 07, 2019, 01:21:21 pm
I think I'm losing my dickiness when it comes to video games: Killing my opponents in Crusader Kings 2, making human leather hats in Rimworld, and feeding elves to crocs in Dwarf Fortress doesn't instill me with so much joy as before.
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Post by: dragdeler on April 11, 2019, 07:29:54 am
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Post by: methylatedspirit on April 15, 2019, 10:29:36 am
Rotations are assumed to be anticlockwise because the sine and cosine functions are anticlockwise.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Cthulhu on April 15, 2019, 11:27:14 am
Elections are already pro wrestling, in that you have heroes and villains acting out prewritten kayfabe stories which we collectively understand are fictional and for entertainment purposes only, and the characters are all friends behind the curtain.

Also, there are multiple dimensions but a finite supply of brains.  When you hallucinate, that's beings in other dimensions running on the same wetware
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on April 15, 2019, 08:44:28 pm
Elections are already pro wrestling, in that you have heroes and villains acting out prewritten kayfabe stories which we collectively understand are fictional and for entertainment purposes only, and the characters are all friends behind the curtain.
[citation needed]
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on April 16, 2019, 03:12:59 pm
Jeff Lebowski is actually Sonny Crockett who, in his later years, has divested himself from his Armani suits, boats, and fast cars, to live an unassuming life of bumbling and bowling as a way to dodge all the drug dealers he had pissed off back when he was a cop.
The long years of idleness have affected his mind, dude.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 24, 2019, 02:43:47 am
linear combination of prime factors
congruence is generalized parity
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on April 26, 2019, 01:00:41 am
I wonder if cats' cleanliness comes from an evolutionary desire to make themselves less stinky, and thus harder for their prey to detect by sense of smell?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on April 26, 2019, 03:36:29 am
No. It comes from a sense of wanting to be clean that evolved because cats that smelled less alerted less prey (but more importantly attracted less predators).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on April 26, 2019, 12:49:07 pm
Doris sharing cat photos on Facebook: "Ugh, social media has turned us all into such vapid attention-whores. No wonder society is going down the drain."

Doris keeping you in her living room for hours on end and droning endlessly about nothing while showing you her cat photos: INVALUABLE NATIONAL TREASURE THAT MUST BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 26, 2019, 09:21:35 pm
The brain, like any modern CPU, will under- and overclock itself at will. Unlike most CPUs, though, the internal clock is tied to the brain's frequency.

"and", in normal, non-pedantic English simultaneously behaves like a comma that separates elements in a set, multiset, or sequence and also the logical conjunction, an AND gate acting on statements ("A and B" is true if and only if both A and B are true).

"There exists" is the 'negation' of "For all".

"Alternating multifactorial" is a perfectly cromulent phrase.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on April 30, 2019, 12:15:36 am
Conventional wisdom tells us that you only live once. But movie and game titles say that you either never die or die twice.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on April 30, 2019, 12:33:59 am
The reality of the situation is that you're going to die a lot more than that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on May 01, 2019, 12:55:47 am
Mass Effect's "true"  ::) ::) ::) ::) fanbase's favorite hobby being extremely bitter nitpicking just goes to show that the most fun anybody had playing ME1 were the completely non-interactive Codex entries, in other words shutting the game off and reading a wiki.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: wierd on May 01, 2019, 01:14:15 am
I must not be a true fan then. (even though I have been replaying the series again from scratch.)

Hell, I've even been playing Andromeda.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 01, 2019, 05:49:47 am
We're dead, Jim.
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Post by: itisnotlogical on May 01, 2019, 07:05:11 am
We're dead, Jim.

:(
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Post by: methylatedspirit on May 01, 2019, 07:35:54 am
(I cannot keep the original post up in good conscience-- it's too damned stupid)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on May 01, 2019, 09:00:38 am
I thought it was a macabre joke referencing the fact that a good amount of Star Trek's supporting cast (including DeForest Kelley, Doctor McCoy) have passed away.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 02, 2019, 11:55:16 pm
You may not like it, but this is what peak word count optimization looks like.
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Post by: dragdeler on May 03, 2019, 05:11:47 am
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Post by: dragdeler on May 03, 2019, 05:55:48 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on May 03, 2019, 01:09:27 pm
Short.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on May 03, 2019, 01:32:58 pm
Person after getting a ticket: OH MY GOD WHAT DO WE LIVE IN COMMUNIST FUCKING CHINA OR SOMETHING!?!?!?!?! DON'T THEY HAVE MURDERERS TO CATCH OR SOMETHING!?!??!?!?! I WAS ONLY DOING 20 OVER, AND I WAS REALLY LATE AND PROMISED NOT TO DO IT AGAIN ANYWAYS!!!!!!!! THIS IS HOW THE NAZIS STARTED!!!!!!

Same person on any other day: I would like to express my deepest gratitude to our fine young police men in the blue uniform that protect and serve our communities, have a blessed day :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Unrelated thought: I think a murder epidemic so large that the police couldn't even handle traffic law is not something anybody wants to see.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: x2yzh9 on May 03, 2019, 03:24:55 pm
If Howard Gardner in 1983 devised the theory of (9) multiple intelligences, one of which being spiritualist-existentialist(Worldly-stuff smart) then why is that not held to the same standard the other 8 are in academia, and in society?
Also TBH why was it only nine? Why can't the theory incorporate all the other intelligences that develop in society? Ah, the woes of theory having to be concrete.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 04, 2019, 10:52:44 pm
Greenwich is now an hour ahead of the timezone named after it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 05, 2019, 02:24:11 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on May 07, 2019, 07:22:37 pm
90's kids probably have the worst possible memory of the 90's. They were kids.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 07, 2019, 10:37:09 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 08, 2019, 08:10:19 am
In math, you solve problems to get solutions, only to turn around and make more problems from said solutions to make yet more solutions to make problems to solve to get even more solutions to get more problems to...

Math is an endless cycle of problem-making and problem-solving.
Expecting every problem to be solvable, and every solution to be 'constructive', for lack of a better word, is an exercise in futility.
A 'losing is fun' mentality is probably required for math to be enjoyable for any period of time.

Schools, however, teach the opposite: 'losing is always bad'.
Math is one of the finickiest subjects out there, being a game of trial-and-error at best, and an exercise in frustration at worst.
Given these conditions, it's no wonder that most people grow up hating math.

I love math.
That, or I've spent so much time on it, that I'm experiencing sunk-cost fallacy and delusions of grandeur.
Either one is fine.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on May 08, 2019, 08:17:47 am
Problem-making followed by solution-banishing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on May 11, 2019, 03:32:27 pm
YouTube channels that do nothing but read Reddit posts are just crowd-sourced clickbait.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 11, 2019, 04:11:02 pm
Je peuve manger un cheval
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 11, 2019, 04:33:27 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on May 12, 2019, 02:42:47 am
If you blow in a dog's face, he goes mad. But if you take him on a car ride, he sticks his head out of the window.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 12, 2019, 07:50:26 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 12, 2019, 07:54:27 am
Are you sure that post belongs in the Random thoughts thread? There's, like, an actual story there.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 12, 2019, 08:04:21 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on May 14, 2019, 03:13:55 pm
My problem with chess is that it's basically a solved game. Even at the most casual level of play, the match is usually decided by rote memorization of strategies rather than anything happening in the game.

Then I realized that I have this exact problem with MMOs, MOBAs, fighting games, strategy games, Diablo clones, and any other game I'm garbage at. It's my way of saying "shut up, my controller's broken, my dad works at Nintendo."
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magistrum on May 14, 2019, 09:04:11 pm
You are being far too mature by acknowledging this, more than I have been in any moment of my life.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on May 20, 2019, 06:37:43 am
3D mazes are hard because humans didn't need to navigate in three dimensions early in their evolution. Like, humans can't fly or go underground without tools.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on May 20, 2019, 07:07:40 am
I mean, our earlier ancestors did, since climbing trees is a 3-dimensional situation
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on May 21, 2019, 01:13:34 am
I'm so sick of games with unnecessary story. Like, you've got a solid game with good mechanics, don't go screwing it up with some miserable excuse for plot.

I don't want to be the chosen one destined to save your stupid attempt at fantasy worldbuilding, I'm just here to quaff some ale and crack some skulls with my enchanted warhammer or whatever.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on May 21, 2019, 02:42:48 am
The pasta bread bowl from Domino's is basically a pizza with pasta as the topping.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on May 23, 2019, 06:07:02 am
Politics. Polyticks. Poly ticks. Many little bloodsuckers. Quite accurate.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on May 23, 2019, 05:55:16 pm
Out of the dozens of toys and action figures I've bought over the years, with all their action features, accessories and limited status, the one I'll remember best is the one that could actually stand and be posed at the same time
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on May 24, 2019, 03:58:40 am
My favourite toys were the Action Force (that's GI Joe to you Americans) of the 80's and 90's, based on the cartoon I think. They could move almost every joint and had hands that could hold things like guns and swords. They weren't very good at standing though. I had like dozens of them. I think my parents liked them too because they were already old-ish when I grew up and could often be found in the "things we need to clear ut" bins in toy stores.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 24, 2019, 06:19:50 am
"Creative" is the least specific form of "good". If you state that a work is good, you can elaborate to make your opinion more nuanced, more interesting. "Creative", though, is a dead end. A work is creative... because it is creative? The statement provides no new information that could be used to flesh out an opinion. In other words, it's useless.

Imagine having a speedometer that only says "moving" or "not moving". By most metrics, that speedometer is useless; it can't measure speed accurately, so what's the point of having it?

In the same way, "creative" is like that useless speedometer. It's not specific enough to say how good a work is, it can only say that a work is good. Untill someone redefines "creative" to be more specific, it belongs in the trash, just like Bold and Brash.

Anyway, that's why I don't use "creative" and its siblings ("unique", for instance).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 24, 2019, 06:28:05 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on May 24, 2019, 02:10:24 pm
Imagine having a speedometer that only says "moving" or "not moving". By most metrics, that speedometer is useless; it can't measure speed accurately, so what's the point of having it?
*something something quantum mechanics something something*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: da_nang on May 26, 2019, 06:53:46 pm
The distance between Helsinki and Beijing is 1 Earth radius ± 1%.

Brain, go to bed.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: CABL on May 28, 2019, 07:13:55 am
I dunno why, but I suddenly started to like the word "sleek". I mean, just pronounce it, and don't even dare to tell me it doesn't sounds weirdly wonderful. Really, this word's becoming one of my favorites after using it fairly sparsely.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on May 31, 2019, 02:46:12 am
I kind of want to start a news website. Just take a no-frills kind of approach, cutting out all the intrusive ads, auto-playing videos and clunky html that plague big-time news outlets. Simply give readers the articles they want to read, maybe with handy links to video reporting, interviews etcetera tucked into a sidebar rather than smeared across the top of the page.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on May 31, 2019, 08:32:00 am
But then how will your website be a nodejs angular agile lightweight extensible REST POST GET scrum postmodern neopunk tex-mex barbecue extravaganza!?!?!?

I decided long ago that no matter what I do, I never want to make a website by hand.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on May 31, 2019, 10:15:38 am
Why is Featherweight considered a heavier weight class than Bantamweight?

Bantam=small chicken.
small chicken= many feathers
many feathers> one feather

THE MATH SPEAKS FOR ITSELF!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: CABL on May 31, 2019, 10:27:10 am
People who enjoy things I don't enjoy are literally cancer upon the Earth and need to be sterilized.

There, I said it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on June 01, 2019, 01:15:28 am
People who don't enjoy things that I enjoy are goblins and should be viciously mocked for their goblinny ways.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on June 02, 2019, 12:06:39 am
If you build a vehicle with legs/treads but only one wheel, it's still technically a unicycle
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eschar on June 04, 2019, 12:51:19 pm
If you interpret it one way, 'you do you' means 'go fuck yourself.'
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Trekkin on June 04, 2019, 12:54:59 pm
If you build a vehicle with legs/treads but only one wheel, it's still technically a unicycle

Boats have one wheel, for steering with.

Boats are unicycles.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 08, 2019, 11:07:14 am
I tend to compare my previous phone to an S5. Benchmark-wise, they're pretty similar. When I was flashing custom ROMs onto that thing in an attempt to redeem it (akin to turd-polishing, now that I think of it), there was this "Bluetooth fix" that I had to flash onto it to regain Bluetooth functionality. To quote the text you'd get while doing so:
Code: [Select]
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*       Fix created by [REDACTED]      *
*   Only for Galaxy S5 (all variants)  *

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What. The best part, though, was that it worked. I wasn't expecting this level of compatibility between two phones, especially when their hardware is entirely different.
I'm pretty sure Samsung discontinued the entire line that my previous phone belongs to... at least not before rolling out One UI (AKA the third incarnation of TouchWiz, based on Android 9) to everything in said product line, apparently.

This is all a really long-winded way to explain the following statement:
I want someone to port One UI to the Samsung Galaxy S5 for shits and giggles.

Also: "flashing a package" sounds really lewd, taken out of context.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on June 12, 2019, 06:17:42 am
Psychedelics are probably one of the biggest reasons for people buying funky lampshades.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 16, 2019, 07:55:48 pm
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Post by: Yoink on June 19, 2019, 11:28:09 pm
I stood up way too fast and now there are fluorescent maggots in my eyes.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 20, 2019, 06:24:21 am
At first I thought you meant torch worms and was horrified
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on June 21, 2019, 09:27:04 am
I've long understood that it's pretty rough being a woman and having to walk anywhere alone, especially at night, but for some reason just recently it's really hit home to me how fucked up it would be. I dunno, it's like social anxiety - but amplified ten times and backed by real, non-exaggerated danger.   
Read an article the other night (whilst really drunk and high which I am sure boosted my understanding of her words) by a woman about her fears and struggles with walking anywhere in the evenings. That's the sort of shit that makes you want to run out on the street and act like some kinda lame superhero - but nobody can really do that, no-one can be everywhere at once.
Maybe if you organised your local population to form groups to patrol the neighbourhood, keeping an eye out (much like Melbourne's PSOs do in small areas) and trying to keep this sort of thing from happening, but really it hurts just as much to read of a rape and/or murder occurring whether it took place next door or the next state over.     

I suppose every city could form its own li'l militia to wander around forestalling such crimes, but... I dunno, I'm pretty baked. *shrug*   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 21, 2019, 07:29:11 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: WealthyRadish on June 25, 2019, 10:40:29 pm
It occurred to me today that the old practice of governments selling sinecures isn't very different from the modern system of public finance through government securities (besides the obvious difference in ostentation and the security's lifespan). To modern eyes one seems obviously corrupt, while the other is viewed as being essentially a beneficial public service. This isn't a serious comment on policy, I just think it's funny.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on June 26, 2019, 12:39:41 am
"Cockpit" is just another word for "dickhole".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on July 11, 2019, 10:05:24 am
Let's come up with amusing MAGA alternatives!
"Make Ireland Craic Again" springs to mind.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: HmH on July 12, 2019, 11:58:19 am
It occurred to me today that the old practice of governments selling sinecures isn't very different from the modern system of public finance through government securities (besides the obvious difference in ostentation and the security's lifespan). To modern eyes one seems obviously corrupt, while the other is viewed as being essentially a beneficial public service. This isn't a serious comment on policy, I just think it's funny.
*HmH gestures!*
Rise, ye old post, I have questions to ask.

Well, more like one question. I just don't get the analogy you made.
Sinecures are corrupt not because they sell political power and the gains that come thereof, but because after a few decades or centuries of sinecure inflation, they end up implicitly encouraging the buyer to engage in corruption: if they do their job by the book, they will simply never make the investment back.
Whereas government securities... well, they give you the same amount of returns regardless of your actions(unless you manipulate the markets using your power as an official, which, unlike corruption, is the sort of crime that would make Mr. Chrysoprase powerful people very upset with you), so they don't really increase the amount of government corruption all that much.

Granted, I only know about govenrment securities from what little I've read, so maybe there's some kind of a catch in this practice that I have no idea about. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 12, 2019, 10:14:22 pm
It occurred to me today that the old practice of governments selling sinecures isn't very different from the modern system of public finance through government securities (besides the obvious difference in ostentation and the security's lifespan). To modern eyes one seems obviously corrupt, while the other is viewed as being essentially a beneficial public service. This isn't a serious comment on policy, I just think it's funny.
*HmH gestures!*
Rise, ye old post, I have questions to ask.

Well, more like one question. I just don't get the analogy you made.
Sinecures are corrupt not because they sell political power and the gains that come thereof, but because after a few decades or centuries of sinecure inflation, they end up implicitly encouraging the buyer to engage in corruption: if they do their job by the book, they will simply never make the investment back.
Whereas government securities... well, they give you the same amount of returns regardless of your actions(unless you manipulate the markets using your power as an official, which, unlike corruption, is the sort of crime that would make Mr. Chrysoprase powerful people very upset with you), so they don't really increase the amount of government corruption all that much.

Granted, I only know about govenrment securities from what little I've read, so maybe there's some kind of a catch in this practice that I have no idea about. Am I missing something?

When I think of sinecures, I imagine a salaried official position that has no duties attached at all (and therefore presumably no power attached either). Things like being administrator of a district that doesn't exist, colonel of a disbanded regiment, priest of a parish that was merged with another one but kept on the books, etc. At least in this narrower sense, selling them is basically just a debt instrument roughly equivalent to a government bond with an indefinite term. After thinking more on it I would agree it is still more corrupt, although I'd argue this is due to the way it obfuscates government budgeting and retains the potential to be used as a granted reward rather than sold.

I think the inflation effect is something separate, like when bureaucratic salaries with real responsibility and potential for corruption are fixed to a nominal rate by a decaying legal code (but I don't think it would make a difference if the office is sold or not, since if the salary is fixed then the price probably is too).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on July 13, 2019, 04:20:16 am
I've been reading about the various prehistoric tools and technologies when it just dawned on me, before the development of heavy duty stone axe-like tools (adzes, celts) humans had no way to cut down (big) trees.

They might have been able to unearth them (deer antler picks have been found in some flint mines and shovels could have been made from fallen branches) or burn them near the roots to bring them down but they couldn't just cut them down which is probably more efficient in terms of time, energy and wasted material (at least compared to the burning down method). There is also the somewhat disputed method of "ringing" the tree (removing some of its outer layers and wait for it to die so you can bring it down easier) but regardless of whether it was used or not (or how effective it was) it would definitely mean you can' just use it right when the need for lumber arises.

Now all these don't sound that important by themselves but when you consider the amount of lumber that any sort of sedentary community needs (large scale constructions, fuel, tool production) then it's probable that without the "axe" humans would have never grown beyond the hunter-gatherer state.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on July 14, 2019, 10:49:43 am
Is it weird that whenever I read "very good sir" I read it in some specific old person British accent, no idea what the source for it was, but it's very specific in my brain
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Post by: KittyTac on July 14, 2019, 10:56:56 am
Is it weird that whenever I read "very good sir" I read it in some specific old person British accent, no idea what the source for it was, but it's very specific in my brain
This one, maybe? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Received_Pronunciation)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on July 14, 2019, 11:04:42 am
Perhaps, I'm pretty sure, knowing my tastes, it was from some movie or cartoon somewhere as a butler of some sort
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on July 21, 2019, 10:48:09 pm
I noticed we have 4 users whose name can be shortened to "Max". MaxTheFox, Maxtm, Maximum Spin, Maximum Zero.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on July 22, 2019, 07:41:05 am
Quick, somebody change their name to MaximumMax
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: HmH on July 22, 2019, 10:17:50 am
It just came to my head that if future archeologists get their hands on a partially destroyed backup of the Internet, basic statistical analysis will show them that cats are the sacred animals of our civilization.
Just like we think they were to Ancient Egyptians.

I mean, as far as I know, the only reason we have for believing cats were sacred to early Egyptians are the retellings of Greek legends about Egyptians, which may have been composed after someone looked at the art from some of the looted tombs, and all those images they have of cats.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on July 22, 2019, 12:10:37 pm
Maybe if you organised your local population to form groups to patrol the neighbourhood, keeping an eye out (much like Melbourne's PSOs do in small areas) and trying to keep this sort of thing from happening, but really it hurts just as much to read of a rape and/or murder occurring whether it took place next door or the next state over.     

I suppose every city could form its own li'l militia to wander around forestalling such crimes, but... I dunno, I'm pretty baked. *shrug*   

I have heard rumors that the pigs are supposed to do stuff like this instead of just beating up gays and murdering people with the wrong skin color.

Edit: June and July aren't the same word?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on July 22, 2019, 01:03:33 pm
When you want to be edgy so bad you respond to a month old post
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: HmH on July 22, 2019, 02:14:35 pm
Maybe if you organised your local population to form groups to patrol the neighbourhood, keeping an eye out (much like Melbourne's PSOs do in small areas) and trying to keep this sort of thing from happening, but really it hurts just as much to read of a rape and/or murder occurring whether it took place next door or the next state over.     

I suppose every city could form its own li'l militia to wander around forestalling such crimes, but... I dunno, I'm pretty baked. *shrug*   

I have heard rumors that the pigs are supposed to do stuff like this instead of just beating up gays and murdering people with the wrong skin color.

Careful now, you are talking to a guy called Yoink.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on July 22, 2019, 08:11:45 pm
Wait, what does that even mean?! Is it because my name has "oink" in it? ???



Edit: agh, crap, accidentally started a new page and yet I cannot remember any of my interesting random thoughts. Seriously, I had a frustrating moment recently when I realised I couldn't remember the thing I'd been thinking of posting in such a thread as this.
I'll get back to you if I come up with anything. Sorry.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: HmH on July 22, 2019, 08:42:48 pm
Wait, what does that even mean?! Is it because my name has "oink" in it? ???
Well, yeah. Isn't Homer's catchprase a reference to the sound pigs are hypothetically, theoretically supposed to make?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on July 23, 2019, 04:58:18 am
Doh?
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Post by: TamerVirus on July 23, 2019, 09:51:21 am
Yoink, as a word, was popularized by the Simpsons. The writer, however, claims he took the word from Archie comics
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Max™ on July 23, 2019, 05:20:24 pm
The missus told me what she learned from Tetris the other day, I was expecting something about how frustrating it is or how weird russian looks, instead I get this:
"Being different isn't always valuable, and when you blend in you disappear."

That's deep as shit right, it isn't just me being dumb, is it?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on July 24, 2019, 04:57:07 am
It's not deep at all.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Max™ on July 24, 2019, 11:26:46 am
I'm the dumb then, hoisted by my own retard.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on July 24, 2019, 01:40:55 pm
"That was like herding cats. Or chickens. No, wait, it's like... trying to train a bunch of cats to herd the chickens FOR you."   

^actual, paraphrased quote from me earlier.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on July 26, 2019, 10:09:58 pm
I keep seeing my signature out of the corner of my eye and thinking it's an edit thing
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on July 28, 2019, 09:51:16 pm
Aliens probably exist, but if they don't, at least not in our galaxy, it means it all is just for us. The entire galaxy. Just like the Earth is currently.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on July 28, 2019, 10:24:06 pm
Even if it is "all for us", claiming that prize would be difficult. The milky way is many thousands of light years across, humans live for like 70 years. If you traveled at absurd speed for your entire life from birth to death, you wouldn't get to see a fraction of a fraction of this galaxy.

Besides, Earth itself isn't just for us, we share it with a ton of other life. Unless by "us" you mean all life on earth, as opposed to just humans.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on July 28, 2019, 10:28:34 pm
Even if it is "all for us", claiming that prize would be difficult. The milky way is many thousands of light years across, humans live for like 70 years. If you traveled at absurd speed for your entire life from birth to death, you wouldn't get to see a fraction of a fraction of this galaxy.

Besides, Earth itself isn't just for us, we share it with a ton of other life. Unless by "us" you mean all life on earth, as opposed to just humans.
Yeah, not all of it of course, but there will be little competition for obvious reasons.

Humans are the only completely sentient life on Earth. Other, non-sentient life only serves to help humanity. This is why I more-or-less support environmentalism.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eschar on July 28, 2019, 10:50:55 pm
For some reason this makes me think less "wow, we're going to have a lot of resources to ourselves" and more "fuck, that's depressingly lonely."
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on July 28, 2019, 10:59:06 pm
Hmph. Yeah, humans are the only creatures like humans there are. Only humans can do all the things that humans do. Just like, say, only honeybees can do all the things that honeybees can do. We define sentience based on ourselves, then turn around and claim that it's what makes us special.
Nature doesn't exist to fulfill our needs, we are part of nature. Same as every other living thing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on July 28, 2019, 11:09:28 pm
Hmph. Yeah, humans are the only creatures like humans there are. Only humans can do all the things that humans do. Just like, say, only honeybees can do all the things that honeybees can do. We define sentience based on ourselves, then turn around and claim that it's what makes us special.
Nature doesn't exist to fulfill our needs, we are part of nature. Same as every other living thing.
Hmmm... humans have higher intelligence and capability to use tools than any other animal, which is what I was getting at. We are present on every continent in one way or another and, for the most part, are dominating the ecosystem there, for better or for worse. It's safe to say that we're the rulers of this planet and can use nature to fulfill our needs. Of course, if there are aliens with similar intelligence, we should treat them as equals.

Of course, environmentalism and preserving populations of animals useful for science and the ecology (and food, I guess) is important, for the survival of humanity will be difficult without them.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on July 29, 2019, 09:30:04 am
I mean. If only humans has the capability to can into space then all of space is pretty much only for humanity.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on July 29, 2019, 10:16:14 am
I mean. If only humans has the capability to can into space then all of space is pretty much only for humanity.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on July 31, 2019, 12:46:25 am
My diet is as close to the opposite of veganism as it's possible for me to get without health issues (vitamins are important). I'm not sure, it might be like 70% meat. It's as much personal preference (I like meat!) as it's a way to protest against PETA.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 31, 2019, 02:40:01 am
My diet is as close to the opposite of veganism as it's possible for me to get without health issues (vitamins are important). It's as much personal preference (I like meat!) as it's a way to protest against PETA.
No need to compromise on your senseless opposition. Eat more liver - it's got vitamins and shit*.

*does not actually contain literal shit
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on July 31, 2019, 11:41:33 am
I'm sure there's some disease for some animal that causes feces to enter the liver
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: CABL on July 31, 2019, 11:52:49 am
Honestly, it looks like some 'Doing X to trigger the libs' shit to me. Like, PETA are pretty awful, and I can't live without meat either, but that hardly counts as protesting. Might as well breed like fly to protest abortion; no one on pro-choice side will be triggered by that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on July 31, 2019, 02:36:41 pm
I used to think Daggerfall's 3D dungeon map was completely useless; all it really showed was how things could be 3D and very little actual information.

With Daggerfall Unity, I'm starting to realize that the 3D map is actually useful; you just have to render it at a resolution that lets you see things other than a mess of brown pixels.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on July 31, 2019, 11:54:18 pm
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Post by: MaxTheFox on August 01, 2019, 12:33:05 am
In other news, I noticed I have 50 tabs of TvTropes on.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on August 01, 2019, 11:19:05 pm
I think I should become a luchador.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on August 02, 2019, 09:01:46 am
I think I should become a luchador.
Then you need a good lucha name.
El Yoink?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 02, 2019, 11:31:01 am
El Banjodor
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on August 02, 2019, 08:48:41 pm
El Bańo seems tempting, since someone actually once mis-pronounced my name that way and I've since used it as a username on occasion, but it seems like it'd be asking for trouble considering what the word actually means.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on August 10, 2019, 01:33:34 am
I wonder how many people have died from farting in the bath (or the shower, I guess!), smelling it, passing out from pleasure and subsequently cracking their skulls on the tub and/or drowning...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on August 10, 2019, 07:24:13 pm
I just lost The Game.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on August 10, 2019, 07:30:01 pm
Pro tip: losing is fun.

Knowing this, please consider the following question: how can you be sure that you have indeed lost the game?
Considering this should give you lots of fun losing to get through.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 10, 2019, 08:34:37 pm
how can you be sure that you have indeed lost the game?

Because winning the game is against the rules
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on August 10, 2019, 08:40:07 pm
Yes, but you're not always losing. There is a losing state, and there is a neutral state. But in order to know how much you're losing, you need to think about the game, which in turn makes you lose more, so you have to recalculate your losings.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Imic on August 11, 2019, 10:51:33 am
... Do the Rito from the Legend of Zelda have hollow bones, like most birds?
... I don’t think I’ll get much sleep tonight.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on August 20, 2019, 10:43:19 am
People campaigning to 'free the nipple' should be known as "racktivists".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 07, 2019, 04:23:01 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 11, 2019, 05:07:54 am
It occurs to me that enough Star Trek crews have time-travelled to WW2 that they could very easily meet eachother during the war, especially with communicators and tricorders.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KateyKitsune on September 12, 2019, 06:02:32 am
I was wondering why Yoink and King zultan have the same avatar, and then I realized that they were both broken imgur is also the superior image hosting website, tinypic bad
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 12, 2019, 06:35:44 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 13, 2019, 06:57:55 am
Another Star Trek thought, since I've been watching a lot and have it on the brain. All the commanding officers seem to be awake at the same time, and sleep at the same time. Who's in command while Riker, Picard, etc. are asleep in their quarters? (Maybe a bad example because Data doesn't need sleep...)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Telgin on September 13, 2019, 08:37:44 am
Pretty sure Data is the canonical answer.  That does make me wonder how this should work though, and while we see the helmsmen rotate out, I assume every position should have rotating shifts.  I assume Data, as the second officer, would normally be in charge at some point anyway.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on September 13, 2019, 10:19:17 am
I'd assume most ships do that, and they don't because data exists <--hasn't seen star trek
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 13, 2019, 10:55:52 am
Pretty sure they do 12 hour shifts and when they're off their evil universe counterparts take over
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on September 13, 2019, 07:32:54 pm
Must have been a mild and dry winter, so that particularly few mice drowned or froze in their earthholes, creating a food surplus - BECAUSE THERE ARE FOXES EVERYWHERE.
The other day I saw this fox out in a field across a parking lot and I swear, it was gamboling. Bouncing hippity-hop across the green grass like it hadn't a care in the world! T'was like nothing I've ever seen before, and pretty adorable too.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 13, 2019, 07:44:52 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 13, 2019, 07:50:35 pm
Pretty sure Data is the canonical answer.  That does make me wonder how this should work though, and while we see the helmsmen rotate out, I assume every position should have rotating shifts.  I assume Data, as the second officer, would normally be in charge at some point anyway.
I couldn't cite examples, but I'm pretty sure there's episodes sprinkled around multiple of the ST series where folks lower down the totem pole are doing command oversight or whatev'. There'll occasionally be someone odd (that's not, like, Q or some shit) in the captain's chair, or just no one and the other stations handling things on their own. Folks shift in and out, basically, just... mostly off camera.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Lunardog15 on September 14, 2019, 01:17:33 pm
Pretty sure Data is the canonical answer.  That does make me wonder how this should work though, and while we see the helmsmen rotate out, I assume every position should have rotating shifts.  I assume Data, as the second officer, would normally be in charge at some point anyway.
I couldn't cite examples, but I'm pretty sure there's episodes sprinkled around multiple of the ST series where folks lower down the totem pole are doing command oversight or whatev'. There'll occasionally be someone odd (that's not, like, Q or some shit) in the captain's chair, or just no one and the other stations handling things on their own. Folks shift in and out, basically, just... mostly off camera.

that would be sort of cool
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on September 18, 2019, 05:48:43 pm
There may be somebody who you would do anything for,
but is there something you would do do for anybody?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Trekkin on September 18, 2019, 06:37:35 pm
Pretty sure Data is the canonical answer.  That does make me wonder how this should work though, and while we see the helmsmen rotate out, I assume every position should have rotating shifts.  I assume Data, as the second officer, would normally be in charge at some point anyway.

Yes, they do apparently have shifts. (https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Duty_shift#Night_shift)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on September 19, 2019, 04:31:23 am
It's TV magic that things usually happen on the "day shift" ... in space.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 20, 2019, 08:21:09 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 20, 2019, 11:25:40 am
No? Distrust isn't the right word. Acknowledgement that society's structures pointedly fail on some issues, more like. Not sure evolution's the right word, either, really. Y'mght want to unpack that question, heh.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on September 21, 2019, 02:01:08 am
I turn up the stereo, but there's no volume knob for the bad thoughts.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on September 21, 2019, 03:05:57 am
There's technically a volume knob for bad thoughts, problem is, it's actually the master volume knob. If it's set too low, noise creeps in, and your thoughts are lost to the noise. The bad thoughts are gone, but is it really worth it?

...sorry, got autobiographical. My bad thoughts say hello.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 21, 2019, 04:59:34 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 21, 2019, 07:21:33 am
Evolving's narrow biological sense doesn't involve purpose, is most of the iffy bit, heh. It's just noise thrown against a wall with some parts sticking and some not. There's nothing to trust, just stuff to adjust to (or die).

And I don't think it's a matter of deserve, exactly. There's precious few on this planet that'll outright say, or believe, that the elderly (or much of anyone, really, barring maybe some nebulous bad people grouping) deserve to starve to death in a pile of their own filth as they fritter away whatever material goods or safety they may have accumulated due to their mind aging into a stew of incapable mush.

Stuff like pensions are more an acknowledgement that a people are just kinda' fucking bad at the planning and logistics involved with making that not happen, especially in edge cases where family is incapable or unwilling to provide and/or the increasingly non-edge case where the old person lives way longer than expected (for lack of a better word). Damnably often not nearly a sufficient one, but... it's not something I'd categorize as a profound distrust. Just an attempt to paper over a persistent problem. Distrust is probably pretty close to it as a descriptor, but there's nothing profound (or major, or whatever) about it. S'just kinda' routine.

It's not just pensions, mind. Every sort of elderly assistance/retirement program is basically the same thing, with varying levels of effectiveness. Folks aren't going to be able to provide for themselves forever, and someone's gonna' have to (or eventually deal with a corpsemess, I guess).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 21, 2019, 07:46:45 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on September 22, 2019, 01:00:48 am
This online caption work I've been doing is the equivalent of grinding a low-level quest in an RPG because the risk/reward ratio is better, despite requiring much more time to get the same result as just advancing the plot.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: CABL on September 27, 2019, 04:12:29 am
Life Pro-Tip: If you see urinating genitals in your dreams, and toilets, wake up immediately.

Out of context bait, I know.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on September 28, 2019, 07:24:40 pm
oh nooooooooo

You'll be in my prayers.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on September 28, 2019, 11:41:19 pm
Isn't the pension system physical proof of a profound distrust in society's evolution?

Umm ... not at all. Not sure what you're getting at about "society's evolution" either, that would allow us to not have to take care of old people.

So you're thinking that children should be obligated to care for their parents in their old age, just for being their parents? And that would be a more evolved society? It wouldn't actually. Children get no say in being born, the parents make that decision. Having kids and expecting them to financially support you in your old age isn't "love" it's creating entire people for self-interested motives.

A pension scheme that everyone pays into and everyone gets money from recognizes human individual rights better, because it doesn't incentive the creation of new humans for purely self-interested reasons.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 28, 2019, 11:51:31 pm
Tries to replace it, anyway. It's still heavily reliant on 'pray family will take care of your rotting ass' for much in the way of quality of life (or not going bankrupt and then ending up on the streets or something) in plenty of places that have pensions (or some equivalent). Elderly care infrastructure is basically fucking abysmal in most places, from what I understand, and the lack is mostly dumped on the shoulders of relatives. Definitely know that stateside it's a major, growing, and mostly kept quiet problem, and so far as I'm aware many other developed nations also aren't doing so hot on that front. We were not prepared for people to make the gains in average lifespan we have made :-\
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on September 28, 2019, 11:53:38 pm
And if you listen to most of the debate, the reaction is mostly "oh dear dear, that will affect the budget - we'll have to raise the pension age!"

The problem is if someone's 67 and you raise their pension age to 70, they aren't in their prime-earning years as it is, they're probably on other government benefits already, and if not, then those extra 3 years of work will definitely take a physical toll and may even increase their medical needs.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 29, 2019, 04:21:28 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 29, 2019, 08:21:20 am
So, uh. What's your preferable alternative? I can think of some myself (most of which boils down to fund the fuck out of elder care and get doctors and/or social workers proactively instead of reactively involved also fucking pay our care workers bloody hell c'mon stop penny shitting some of the hardest care work in existence) but it'd take friggin' massively expanding how much we invest in elder care, to bankroll the extra people it would require and the duties they'd be dealing with.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 29, 2019, 09:44:37 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magistrum on October 01, 2019, 09:08:29 pm
That's more or less it except why stop at the elderly...
Clearly the solution is stopping elderly.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on October 01, 2019, 09:25:29 pm
Unrelated thought I had last night: there should be an emergency toilet paper delivery service.
This idea needs fleshing out, but basically you dial a number like "13 0SHIT", tell 'em a few basic details such as, uh, where you live and how many ply you want, and a driver speeds around to save your life and deliver the goods.

Also, there could be "TP Trucks" that drive along a route through the neighbourhood, kinda like an ice cream truck except it plays a goregrind cover of an ice cream jingle, or maybe just a series of brown notes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on October 02, 2019, 04:05:47 am
I wish Google (as in the virtual assistant) could have the voice and personality of Beemo from Adventure Time.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 02, 2019, 04:40:47 am
It is somewhat strange the way colonies of insects work, but I feel weird considering them a single organism, as almost all ecosystems behave similatly on some level.
Each colony can be called a supraorgsnism because selection happens at colony level. Like how the colony of cells that make up multicellular organisms is considered a unit because selection happens at the level of the colony.  With colonies of insects, the queens and drones are the gonads and the workers and soldiers are the somatic cells.

Isn’t it weird how you can have an argument with your brain as if it isn’t you but it totally is? Like when you get a thought and you don’t know why you get the thought so you think to yourself and it kinda manifests into a conversation with yourself? Does this make sense?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on October 02, 2019, 06:17:32 am
I should really set up my laptop already so I can kill time and play games without constantly draining my phone's battery.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 02, 2019, 06:48:31 am
I got a solitaire app on my iPad, apparently hearing card sounds makes me smell that card smell
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 02, 2019, 08:08:59 am
Iirc the smell sense is often said to be the one closest to the memory bank, so to speak. Often when you revisit old places from your childhood it is the smell that hits you first and bring back all the memories.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 02, 2019, 08:20:21 am
Interesting. I remember learning that smell was probably one of the first senses to evolve. That makes sense that memories would be tied there, the other senses came later but memories will help with any sense for remembering where food is, for example
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on October 02, 2019, 10:35:07 am
That's more or less it except why stop at the elderly...
Clearly the solution is stopping elderly.

Renew! Renew!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on October 03, 2019, 07:13:21 pm
Perhaps a good solution for the tyrannical overlord of a fantasy realm to deal with the ever-present threat of uppity peasants would be to offer/advertise a lucrative, state-subsidised adventuring career, targeted at those most dissatisfied with their lot. That way the most troublesome, bravest villagers would weed themselves out before their discontent could bloom into full-blown sedition and rebellion.
Much better than martyring them yourself later and simply throwing fuel on the fire!   

Give 'em a grab-bag of recycled starter equipment and send them on their way.
I imagine for starters you could actually put them to use dealing with various minor issues around your own kingdom, such as pest infestations or goblin raiding parties or fledgling cults. It wouldn't cost you anything, almighty ruler - adventurers tend to be happy to work for whatever coin they can scavenge along the way and from the bodies, as well as the strange metaphysical concept of "experience". At worst they'd be taking pay from whatever folks around your kingdom have these sorts of problems they'd like dealt with. Ideally they would be kept moving, occupied and on the verge of death - no time to get too big for their boots.   

Once they start getting on their feet and learning their way around a weapon, though, it'd be best to send them on their way before they start to smell a rat - no pun intended. Entrust with them a grand, all-important quest into some distant other land where they are sure to die, or at least become someone else's problem.
Or - or - I have an even better idea!   

An especially astute ruler could enter a partnership with some villain-or-other with a nearby underground lair! Or, if they don't have an existing dungeon, you could supply them with a permit to build one in a quiet corner of your mighty kingdom on the down-low.
In exchange for you supplying them with a steady supply of woefully underequipped and unprepared "heroes" (victims) perfect for use as monster chow, fertilizer or undead servants (depending on the flavour of villain we're dealing with, possibly all three or more), they agree to not cause trouble within your borders and to do away with all your little "problems" as they come marching fearlessly into the meatgrinder.   


Of course, if this part of the plan works, I imagine before long the flow of adventurous volunteers would start to dry up, regardless of their hot-headed tendencies, considering none of those before them ever came back. There are a variety of possible solutions to this issue.
Perhaps your majesty could hire a troupe of talented actors and press them into the role of seasoned adventurers, touring these rural hotbeds of rebellion to wow the townsfolk with their tales of daring and glory, triumph and titillation? I'm sure many an impressionable young nobody could be lured away from their life of drudgery with only the occasional insurrection to spice it up.

Of course, then you still have the issue that none of those who left these villages ever came back. Maybe that wouldn't seem so surprising, considering how wretched their early lives were to begin with, but still - I'm sure some would suspect something.
Perhaps, one could have the aforementioned actors drop a name here and there, mentioning whatever great deeds Joe Blob the dirt-farmer went onto once he put down his shovel and picked up a battleaxe? Such a story here and there could work, maybe.

Another option would be to have sleeper agents inside the towns, mingling innocently with the townsfolk until eventually accompanying a band of erstwhile adventurers on their journey into the unknown - only, of course, to be ultimately spared whatever fate befell the rest of those troublemakers in order to return and boast of their deeds and adventures back home.
Alternatively, I suppose there could be a sort of Adventurer's Guild with a fairly high fee to join, which is peopled mostly by paid actors - but those who legitimately join it are told (at least part of) the truth and given two choices: A, assist the Crown in keeping up its charade by going on some mock-adventures before returning home to tell the tale, or B, die in an even less glorious fashion than the rest of these chucklefucks.   


Perhaps the cheapest option, though, depending on the availability of magic in the kingdom, would be to enlist the services of a spellcaster (does your majesty have a court magician? If no, why not?) to imitate the dearly departed "adventurers" (or perhaps simply reanimate their corpses, if there was enough left to reanimate) and act out their brief return to their hometown - albeit with a few scars and a colder, more distant disposition after all they've been through - before departing again in search of further glory.


Of course, all these options probably get rather expensive and, sometimes, risky.
Perhaps the best recourse is to simply keep an eye on the provinces and, if a place seems to have gotten wise to the whole adventure scam, just wipe out the village and bring in cheap goblin labourers from a neighbouring kingdom to tend their fields.
Hell, if those goblins ever get sick of their lot in life somewhere down the track, you could even sic a future band of adventurers on 'em! It's a perfect cycle, really.




Thoughts? I think there was more to this idea last night that I have since forgotten, but that's the gist.
Honestly, I would love to see a game with some of these settings/themes. I know plenty of games do the "dungeon keeper" thing where you defend against waves of heroes, but what if you were actually in league with the nation sending these heroes, and they're actually dissidents who you are helpfully disposing of in exchange for various benefits such as being spared the attention of a real threat, such as the realm's actual army? :D

And then there's the whole "government subsidised adventuring thing that's really a scam to nip peasant uprisings in the bud" thing.
Also the specters of the victims of said scheme, returning home to assure their kin that all is well on their quests, or paid actors, or an Adventurer's Guild that actually coerces those foolish enough to pay its fees into helping with their plot or dying??
I definitely think there's something here!   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on October 03, 2019, 07:22:15 pm
Problem is, some fraction of the time a particularly tough and lucky band of peasant manages to survive, become experienced, become stronger than anything you could actually throw them at. High level adventurers level armies, kill gods. Doesn't matter how unlikely it is, if you throw enough peasants at a dungeon eventually someone will roll 50 consecutive twenties and become a deicidal monster. And then they'll start looking for problems to solve that are larger than some goblins in a pit, such as hey, an oppressive monarchy!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 03, 2019, 07:26:14 pm
Sounds like a very interesting game
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on October 03, 2019, 07:39:09 pm
Problem is, some fraction of the time a particularly tough and lucky band of peasant manages to survive, become experienced, become stronger than anything you could actually throw them at. High level adventurers level armies, kill gods. Doesn't matter how unlikely it is, if you throw enough peasants at a dungeon eventually someone will roll 50 consecutive twenties and become a deicidal monster. And then they'll start looking for problems to solve that are larger than some goblins in a pit, such as hey, an oppressive monarchy!

The solution to that little issue... is to put your biggest monsters at the start of your dungeon. Let's see that peasant survive a 26d6 (save for half) blast of draconic fire!  :D
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on October 03, 2019, 07:50:06 pm
The peasant is a half-ogre barbarian, takes 13 damage, her buddy kills the dragon with a sneak attack crit, then they all discover the ability to heal by drinking dragon blood and go on to clear the rest of the dungeon.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 03, 2019, 08:08:53 pm
For some reason ”i have a proposition for you” is a recurring sentence in my brain. I have no idea why. Why does my brain produce sentences that have nothing to do with anything I’m doing?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on October 03, 2019, 08:13:52 pm
You just gotta hope the person in charge of the dungeon knows what they're doing. *shrug*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on October 03, 2019, 08:29:36 pm
For some reason ”i have a proposition for you” is a recurring sentence in my brain. I have no idea why. Why does my brain produce sentences that have nothing to do with anything I’m doing?

I think that's your demon trying to get you to form a pact.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 03, 2019, 08:47:10 pm
For some reason ”i have a proposition for you” is a recurring sentence in my brain. I have no idea why. Why does my brain produce sentences that have nothing to do with anything I’m doing?

I think that's your demon trying to get you to form a pact.
If this is the case it has to be more specific about said pact. Maybe it’ll show up in a dream to explain it better, like how a video can convey more information about a topic than dialog alone

Edit:
If the demon sent this dream, it didn’t help make things clearer, this randomness, I feel comes from my own brain, no demon required, either that or the demon was purposefully being random
I had a dream last night, I was using an Xbox 360 controller to play something like Splix.io with civilizations. Eventually I got into the water and changed my land vehicle to a sailboat, then to a submarine. The submarine was a 3D first person controls. I was shooting boats from below with missiles, then for some reason I had to go to land. When I reached land, the submarine shrunk to where I could “ride” it while walking and holding the Xbox controller. I went into a building and tried to fire missiles but couldn’t, so U tried to find the ocean. There was a stairway which I glided down, jumping from stairs to lower stairs. I asked someone where the ocean was, but they took me to some restaurant instead. When I got to the restaurant and they gave me a small sheet of paper that asked my name, what I ordered, how good it was, and how much it was, all before I ordered anything. I was holding the paper when I woke up to find no paper
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on October 04, 2019, 08:05:18 am
Come buy a timeshare in Hell! Warm weather year-round!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 04, 2019, 08:08:04 am
Random thought: The past bending of "glide" should be "glode" or "glid"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 04, 2019, 08:19:21 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 04, 2019, 08:57:34 am
Dove and Glode
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Lunardog15 on October 04, 2019, 09:41:14 am
that evil monarch would be a fun d&d campaign
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Wizard of Manaia on October 04, 2019, 11:08:16 pm
Spoilers. It is three Lich running the whole show and the adventurers lose their souls.
Good game, let's play some Catan.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 04, 2019, 11:27:27 pm
When is a colony of cells considered a multicellular organism?
When is a colony of a multicellular organisms of the same species considered a multibodied unit?
Colonies of ants are selected at colony level, with queens and drones analogous to gamete cells and workers and soldiers analogous to somatic cells
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on October 04, 2019, 11:37:49 pm
that evil monarch would be a fun d&d campaign
Yes!
I was thinking, rather than the problematic peasants themselves, players could play as members of a secretive organisation dedicated to dealing with those occasional doomed adventurers who manage to somehow overcome the dangers intended to kill them, such as what Reelya described.
Of course, these fledgling heroes would be flippin' powerful (be it through good luck or good management), but using your every bit of cunning, a large bag of dirty tricks and the element of surprise, your job is to put a stop to them before they can become a major problem for the government - whilst keeping it all as hush-hush as possible, of course!   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 04, 2019, 11:53:23 pm
that evil monarch would be a fun d&d campaign
Yes!
I was thinking, rather than the problematic peasants themselves, players could play as members of a secretive organisation dedicated to dealing with those occasional doomed adventurers who manage to somehow overcome the dangers intended to kill them, such as what Reelya described.
Of course, these fledgling heroes would be flippin' powerful (be it through good luck or good management), but using your every bit of cunning, a large bag of dirty tricks and the element of surprise, your job is to put a stop to them before they can become a major problem for the government - whilst keeping it all as hush-hush as possible, of course!   
Yes
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Lunardog15 on October 07, 2019, 07:48:06 am
ignore this post plz
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Lunardog15 on October 07, 2019, 07:50:25 am
that evil monarch would be a fun d&d campaign
Yes!
I was thinking, rather than the problematic peasants themselves, players could play as members of a secretive organisation dedicated to dealing with those occasional doomed adventurers who manage to somehow overcome the dangers intended to kill them, such as what Reelya described.
Of course, these fledgling heroes would be flippin' powerful (be it through good luck or good management), but using your every bit of cunning, a large bag of dirty tricks and the element of surprise, your job is to put a stop to them before they can become a major problem for the government - whilst keeping it all as hush-hush as possible, of course!   
call it corrupted council
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 08, 2019, 07:46:02 am
I hear a hissing noise coming from both of my ears
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 08, 2019, 08:00:11 am
1. Check your ears for snakes.
2. Check your hair for snakes.
3. DO NOT CHECK YOUR MIRROR FOR MEDUSAS
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 08, 2019, 08:56:40 am
It stopped, there were no snakes, apparently extended silence can make your ears hear hissing to fill the silence. It’s happening again as I write this, now it’s a hum, now it’s a hum from one ear and a hiss from another. Now it’s both ears hissing getting louder. I think thinking about it makes them get louder
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 08, 2019, 09:31:16 am
It stopped. Don’t know why it started
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on October 08, 2019, 09:33:11 am
Sounds like it could be tinnitusssssss?
It's probably temporary. Have you been anywhere especially loud lately?   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 08, 2019, 09:39:30 am
It was temporary, I ha e not been anywhere loud lately. I think it was because of silence. I think what happened is I heard something to drown out the silence. Sometimes when there is no sound, I hear a noise from nowhere for a bit, and then it stops after a minute or so
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on October 08, 2019, 09:47:31 am
It stopped, there were no snakes, apparently extended silence can make your ears hear hissing to fill the silence. It’s happening again as I write this, now it’s a hum, now it’s a hum from one ear and a hiss from another. Now it’s both ears hissing getting louder. I think thinking about it makes them get louder

Brain is leaking out because of too much internet. Happens to the best of us.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 08, 2019, 09:58:06 am
It stopped, there were no snakes, apparently extended silence can make your ears hear hissing to fill the silence. It’s happening again as I write this, now it’s a hum, now it’s a hum from one ear and a hiss from another. Now it’s both ears hissing getting louder. I think thinking about it makes them get louder

Brain is leaking out because of too much internet. Happens to the best of us.
It’s been stopped for a while, probably a side effect of too little noise and my brain is like “we must hear something, anything”
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Lunardog15 on October 08, 2019, 11:04:42 am
*softly hums "the sound of silence"*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on October 16, 2019, 09:02:33 pm
I should probably not have been reading about creepy folklore creatures right before going to sleep, curse my desire to make a halloween mod
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 16, 2019, 09:14:16 pm
I should probably not have been reading about creepy folklore creatures right before going to sleep, curse my desire to make a halloween mod
What kind of creepy folklore have you read?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on October 17, 2019, 01:46:33 pm
I just googled creepy folklore creatures and started clicking on links
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on October 17, 2019, 01:49:30 pm
Can you link to the one you found to be the most creepy?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on October 17, 2019, 02:04:52 pm
Now that I'm not half-asleep, I don't find many of them to be very creepy, and it's mostly because the drawings have that one style of art people use for creepy things that make them seem way more creepy than they would be without it, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Shuck was pretty creepy at the time IIRC, and they made an SCP off of it that is creepier, which has its own associated stories
EDIT: Obviously the wikipedia page makes it much less creepy than whichever source I originally found it at, but I had just a google search for it bookmarked so what you gonna do
EDIT2: Now that I remember better, it was mostly the SCP I was remembering, late night archive binges tend to do that to my memory
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2019, 06:48:06 am
Spoiler: Definitely a furry (click to show/hide)
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Post by: scourge728 on October 18, 2019, 10:31:55 am
oh no
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 05, 2019, 04:04:44 pm
An interesting video that YouTube recommended me. (https://youtu.be/P40sJOkxnac)
It doesn’t make me laugh, it doesn’t make me upset, I’d doesn’t make me sad, I’d doesn’t make me go WTF, it simply mentions an interesting perspective on capitalism and a Simpsons episode.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on November 05, 2019, 04:39:01 pm
An interesting video that YouTube recommended me. (https://youtu.be/P40sJOkxnac)
It doesn’t make me laugh, it doesn’t make me upset, I’d doesn’t make me sad, I’d doesn’t make me go WTF, it simply mentions an interesting perspective on capitalism and a Simpsons episode.
I feel like there is truth there but the presentation falls into an absolutist stance; reality is sadly more nuanced.  There are indeed systemic issues, but there are also individual issues.  The presentation gave the impression (perhaps unintended) that all the problems are systemic.

It came across a bit defeatist - I was hoping for something more of a call to action by the end.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on November 07, 2019, 02:11:54 am
I kinda want to get "V E G E    M I T E" tattooed across my knuckles.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 07, 2019, 07:57:59 am
You do that and I will get F I L M   J Ö L K tattooed on mine
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on November 07, 2019, 11:57:04 am
I kinda want to get "V E G E    M I T E" tattooed across my knuckles.

I'd like to see a shop teacher with "T E A    C H E R".

You listen when the person missing a finger tells you not to mess around near power tools.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 08, 2019, 06:01:43 pm
I’m thinking of making a story that is a history book of civilizations on another planet, non human civilizations
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on November 08, 2019, 06:20:22 pm
Kay? Sci-fi alt history stuff has its niche. They're floating around.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 08, 2019, 06:25:02 pm
I found an interesting YouTube series thst mentions what not to do when writing. It’s called Terrible Writing Advice (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwi6kY774NvlAhUFQKwKHQO1C1sQFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fchannel%2FUC3ogrx6d9oohf6D42G44j1A&usg=AOvVaw2qxruT_So73A_km6TuWjYM)

Also, I wonder if anyone made an AI that developed its own language when talking to another AI who assisted in their new language. Remember when Facebook accidentally did that? What if someone did thst, but added a human who would also talk as well, possibly learning the new AI language
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 11, 2019, 06:10:40 pm
I watched Animatrix recently and it made me wonder (https://ww.123movies.la/movie/the-animatrix-zr7rg9y/watching.html)

What would an AI have to be able to do for us to consider it human enough to deserve the rights we have?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on November 12, 2019, 08:59:30 am
I watched Animatrix recently and it made me wonder (https://ww.123movies.la/movie/the-animatrix-zr7rg9y/watching.html)

What would an AI have to be able to do for us to consider it human enough to deserve the rights we have?

We argue over other humans deserving human rights. The AI would have to be rich, at least.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on November 12, 2019, 01:12:30 pm
Impossibruuu!111!!! An AI doesn't have the right to hold property.
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Post by: Egan_BW on November 12, 2019, 01:20:27 pm
Have a conversation with us which manages to fool our stupid little social mammal brain that we're talking to a human.
Or possibly, assuming that we somehow manage to grow a mind in the intervening years, we could give them rights according to what would alleviate their suffering, using some kind of same and consistant definition of "suffering" as a thing we generally want to avoid letting happen to minds.

And of course, there's always the third option, where they use the missiles we gave them for the purpose of killing other humans to coerce us.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on November 12, 2019, 01:24:25 pm

What would an AI have to be able to do for us to consider it human enough to deserve the rights we have?
My vote: For certain classes of rights, like the aforementioned right to own property, AI would have to also be able to take responsibility for its own actions, have to pay taxes, etc.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on November 12, 2019, 01:47:43 pm
At least with the current mindset, it would have to masquerade as a human for a relatively long time to establish both credibility and emotional connection. Coming out the gate with "It's just an AI" would automatically predispose people to think less of it, since most people's knowledge of AI is limited to chatbots or Siri.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 12, 2019, 02:08:04 pm
At least with the current mindset, it would have to masquerade as a human for a relatively long time to establish both credibility and emotional connection. Coming out the gate with "It's just an AI" would automatically predispose people to think less of it, since most people's knowledge of AI is limited to chatbots or Siri.
The fact that people either underestimate it or think it evil will definitely hinder progress. In Animatrix, a robot killed its owner since the human threatened to kill him. The court ruled against the robot because it was property. They didn’t even have the right to life, to defend themselves. Of course protests happened, the humans, predictably, proceeded to attack them, forcing them to flee to create a new nation. 01 asked to trade with the humans and join the UN, but the ambassadors were pushed out. The humans planned and succeeded in blocking out the sun, the main power source for the machines. The humans wanted all of them dead. The machines had to fight for their lives. Eventually, the humans stopped fighting, and the machines were able to power themselves using energy produced by the humans, thus a symbiotic relationship was born, machines ensured the humans’ survival and gave them a simulation of life before AI, and the humans would allow them to survive. Had the humans not blocked the sun, had the humans treated the machines with dignity and respect, this fate would not have happened.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on November 12, 2019, 02:45:32 pm
I'd really like to think people wouldn't go along with blocking out the sun for pretty much any reason
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Post by: TamerVirus on November 12, 2019, 02:48:23 pm
I'd really like to think people wouldn't go along with blocking out the sun for pretty much any reason
What if mankind was building a Dyson Sphere around it?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 12, 2019, 02:52:46 pm
I'd really like to think people wouldn't go along with blocking out the sun for pretty much any reason
I’d hope so too. Considering we get energy from the sun indirectly(plants and animals)

I guess the humans in Animatrix and by extension, The Matrix, were just hellbent on trying to destroy the machines.

I'd really like to think people wouldn't go along with blocking out the sun for pretty much any reason
What if mankind was building a Dyson Sphere around it?
In Animatrix, they did this by flying smoking planes over 01, of course the smoke proceeded to spread to the entire sky, hence “the humans planned to destroy the sky”
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on November 12, 2019, 04:49:12 pm
I'd really like to think people wouldn't go along with blocking out the sun for pretty much any reason

Eh, existence is overrated.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: thompson on November 14, 2019, 06:19:31 am
The whole human battery thing was a bit of a plot hole, so they papered over it by "blocking out the sun", which is still ridiculous, but slightly less so. Now, if only there was a way of harnessing atomic energy...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: da_nang on November 18, 2019, 01:47:05 pm
People born before January 19th, 2020, will most likely have to prepare our systems for Y2038.

People born after will most likely have to patch the shit we missed.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on November 18, 2019, 02:01:21 pm
People born before January 19th, 2020, will most likely have to prepare our systems for Y2038.

People born after will most likely have to patch the shit we missed.

If I remember correctly, it's much smaller than the amount of work that went into preventing Y2K, plus lessons learned. On the other hand, the amount of work that fixed Y2K means nothing happened, so why spend money to fix it this time? [/bean counter]

Also, I don't remember what causes this one. Is it 2^something?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: da_nang on November 18, 2019, 02:17:59 pm
People born before January 19th, 2020, will most likely have to prepare our systems for Y2038.

People born after will most likely have to patch the shit we missed.

If I remember correctly, it's much smaller than the amount of work that went into preventing Y2K, plus lessons learned. On the other hand, the amount of work that fixed Y2K means nothing happened, so why spend money to fix it this time? [/bean counter]

Also, I don't remember what causes this one. Is it 2^something?
Yup. Last positive number representable with 32-bit signed integer and rolls over into the negatives.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on November 18, 2019, 02:57:46 pm
I wish I could inform on a political scandal and have the press call me "two girls one cup" so that, much like "Deepthroat," people would have to learn about an infamous porno in school as part of history, and Kojima would include it as a codename in a future game
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 21, 2019, 04:19:13 pm
English is a meme (https://youtu.be/65CFesU4KVQ)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on November 22, 2019, 12:39:41 am
English is a meme (https://youtu.be/65CFesU4KVQ)
REMOVE POLISH
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 22, 2019, 07:54:57 am
"English is a difficult language"

*uses only examples of how geniusly simply English is*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 22, 2019, 08:23:55 am
Also, pretty sure they got the police-police thing wrong. The Buffalo Buffalo thing has 8 Buffalos, and they claim that the word police 8 times in a row similarly makes sense. However:

Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo

meaning:

Buffalo-city-bison, (who) Buffalo-city-bison bully, (also) bully Buffalo-city-bison

Which is three meanings of "Buffalo". Whereas "Police" only has two meanings to play with, so if you substitute "cop" for the police noun and "control" for the police verb then using the same structure you can only get:

police police police, police police

cops (who) cops control, (also) control cops

Which is 5, and at a stretch you can extend that to 7 "police"

cops (who) cops control, (also) control cops (whom) cops control

But you can do the same with the Buffalo


Buffalo-city-bison, (who) Buffalo-city-bison bully, (also) bully Buffalo-city-bison (whom) Buffalo-city-bison bully

Meaning 11 Buffalos. But there is literally no construction i can find where exactly 8 "police" makes grammatical sense. seems like a research fail.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on November 22, 2019, 09:10:14 am
"English is a difficult language"

*uses only examples of how geniusly simply English is*

"I before e except after c, and h preceeded by t, go fuck yourself thief."
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 22, 2019, 12:56:41 pm
What? Thief complies with the I before E rule.

Whenever I see English speakers complaining about that rule it's never actually seems to be any complaints that's relevant, like for sounds that the rule isn't even about
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Post by: dragdeler on November 22, 2019, 01:15:31 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on November 22, 2019, 01:26:06 pm
What? Thief complies with the I before E rule.

Whenever I see English speakers complaining about that rule it's never actually seems to be any complaints that's relevant, like for sounds that the rule isn't even about

If you drop the middle bit that catches Thief, you miss theist/theism-related words and their.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 22, 2019, 11:24:06 pm
The main difference there is that "theist" is a double-vowel, the-ist, whereas thief is not. It would actually make it more confusing to force both to conform to the same spelling. How would you say "theif"? The-if? Or just the same as thief? If so, it now makes how to pronounce "theist" less clear.

So, in other words, the fact that "theist" is actually two syllables is a legit reason it doesn't follow the spelling rules for combining vowel letters for single syllables.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 23, 2019, 01:35:50 am
What? Thief complies with the I before E rule.

Whenever I see English speakers complaining about that rule it's never actually seems to be any complaints that's relevant, like for sounds that the rule isn't even about

If you drop the middle bit that catches Thief, you miss theist/theism-related words and their.

Reelya already answered satisfactory, but I'll add my words since it's was responded to me: That's exactly what I meant. Theist/theism and their are not the same sound as in thief and chief and grief and so on. The rule is about the ie=ee=i sound.

The only word I can think of off the top of my head that breake that rule is seize.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 23, 2019, 03:30:41 am
Yeah, pretty much.

Any "the letters must be in this certain order" rule is clearly sub-optimal. If letters are always in that order, then it's not actually conveying additional information. You're using more letters than are needed. Any possible ordering of letters should be valid, but they should have a unique meaning depending on the order.

Also, the "words should be spelt like they sound" argument is clearly not practical. Different people speak differently, both individually, regionally, and across time. "Fight" for example comes from the German "Fecht" and "Night" comes from the German "Nacht". They're spelt like that because that is in fact how people used to say them. The spellings are in fact a direct result of the "spell it like it sounds" point of view. We could change the spellings now, however different regions of English pronounce "night" a bit differently, so there would have to be a compromise, and in a couple hundred years the same argument will crop up, again, except now you'll have two alternative spellings for "night" which different people prefer.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on November 23, 2019, 04:08:21 am
Here's one for you: χείρα / χήρα meaning hand / widow respectively. Both are pronounced as "heera", emphasis on on "hee", with the "a" sounding like the a in "back" . And then there is "χοίρος" meaning pig and is pronounced as "heeros" with the "o" like in drop.

Actually since we are at it "η","ι","υ","ει","οι","υι" are all pronounced as the 'ee" sound in "bee".

edit: These are Greek.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 23, 2019, 09:39:19 am
οι m8
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Post by: Ulfarr on November 23, 2019, 02:48:59 pm
That would be either "όι m8" or "οϊ m8" :P

Both are kinda correct with such an informal phrase but the second form would be the most likely to be used.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 23, 2019, 03:25:46 pm
I love how numbers can convey the information letters can 2 shorten words
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Post by: Ulfarr on November 23, 2019, 05:22:15 pm
Is it still considered a number if we don't use it to represent a set amount of units?
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Post by: scourge728 on November 23, 2019, 05:46:05 pm
What I love about the i before e rule is weird breaks it for seemingly no reason, I guess you could say its..... a weird word
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 23, 2019, 08:35:15 pm
It makes and eeeh sound not an eee sound
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Post by: TamerVirus on November 23, 2019, 09:43:42 pm
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 23, 2019, 09:56:13 pm
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
R*1 E*13
R is the 18th letter of the alphabet
E is the 5th letter of the alphabet
5*13=65
65+18=83
83/26= 3.19230769231
Which rounds to 3
C is the 3rd letter of the alphabet
So this can be translated to C
Or 8 and 3 which can translate to HC
Fun with numbers and letters!
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Post by: CABL on November 24, 2019, 02:13:57 am
I think we need to dig out that short-lived Language thread from its grave; I enjoyed that thread, but it didn't last long enough.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 24, 2019, 04:51:08 pm
What language thread? What page is it on?
This video explains why 20 million trees planted won’t do much against climate change (https://youtu.be/gqht2bIQXIY)
To be clear, what I’m saying here is we need to do more, not thst we shouldn’t do anything

To avoid double posting
I wonder if some day we could genetically engineer bacteria or fungi thst can break down some of the metals used in say, earrings or necklaces so thst they don’t fill up landfills
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Post by: dragdeler on November 24, 2019, 09:07:38 pm
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 24, 2019, 09:18:42 pm
Thst sounds like a plan, what’s with the smiley face? This implies something could go wrong, what is it thst could go wrong?
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Post by: Reelya on November 24, 2019, 09:49:40 pm
Google algal blooms.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 24, 2019, 10:33:14 pm
Oh
What if we fill a container with carbon dioxide, and heated up the container to the point where the bonds break, and it the inside of the container had something to catch the carbon while the oxygen is released
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on November 25, 2019, 12:49:46 am
Oh
What if we fill a container with carbon dioxide, and heated up the container to the point where the bonds break, and it the inside of the container had something to catch the carbon while the oxygen is released

How big a container (or how many)? What do you intend to use as a heat source?

Sounds less practical than the trees, considering you have to build them. You could end up producing more CO2 than you capture.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 25, 2019, 02:34:08 am
Oh
What if we fill a container with carbon dioxide, and heated up the container to the point where the bonds break, and it the inside of the container had something to catch the carbon while the oxygen is released

The clear problem is the bit where you said heated up the container to the point where the bonds break. Exactly how much energy do you think that would need? Where is that energy coming from? Sure, you can totally split carbon from oxygen. That's not the problem. The problem is that the various means to do so are expensive or require a lot of energy (which you'd have to get from burning fossil fuels or similar).

The point is to come up with something that's cheap and doesn't require us to pump energy into it.

One example of a decent proposal is putting iron into the ocean. Iron is the specific bottle-neck for microbe growth in the ocean, so if you add iron then other materials, including carbon dioxide, can be utilized.

Think of it this way: Imagine you have a lot of frankfurters, but you have a limited amount of buns, and you want to make as many hotdogs as possible, and someone suggests getting more frankfurters as the solution. clearly, this won't solve the problem because it's the buns that are the bottleneck, not the frankfurters. Since you have excess frankfurters, then buying more buns is the solution, since it allows you to make extra hot-dogs cheaply since it allows you to better utilize something you already have.

Similarly, engineering "better algae" is useless, since there just isn't enough available iron to grow more algae. Adding iron filings to seawater is thus a cheap way to increase how much algae can grow, and thus how much CO2 is absorbed. They are working on this.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on November 25, 2019, 03:49:50 am
I'm not sure if it is just me misunderstanding your posts but I have the impression that you are focusing on CO2 a bit too much. CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas and it isn't even the most dangerous of the bunch. It is however the one scientists/engineers are using as a baseline unit to compare the effects of other gases  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_potential) and as such it gets the most exposure. To give an example 1 ton of R-22 (an once popular refrigerant among other uses) is equvalent to about 1800 tons of CO2. With that in mind I don't think there is enough merit in developing a method that only serves to break down CO2.

To avoid double posting
I wonder if some day we could genetically engineer bacteria or fungi thst can break down some of the metals used in say, earrings or necklaces so thst they don’t fill up landfills

We already do something like that but it's mainly used for extracting metals from their ores but as far as I know it hasn't been used in recycling yet. Granted I don't think it would ever be used for recycling earrings, neclaces or any other such items, these are already valuable enough to either not end up in a landfill in the first place or are already recycled using more conventional methods.

If you are interested in more info on the subject the general principle is known as biohydrometallurgy and the most commonly used bacteria are Thiobacillus ferrooxidans, Thiobacillus thiooxidans, Leptospirillum ferrooxidans and Sulfolobus acidocaldarius.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 25, 2019, 04:59:56 am
Oh
What if we fill a container with carbon dioxide, and heated up the container to the point where the bonds break, and it the inside of the container had something to catch the carbon while the oxygen is released

The clear problem is the bit where you said heated up the container to the point where the bonds break. Exactly how much energy do you think that would need? Where is that energy coming from? Sure, you can totally split carbon from oxygen. That's not the problem. The problem is that the various means to do so are expensive or require a lot of energy (which you'd have to get from burning fossil fuels or similar).

The point is to come up with something that's cheap and doesn't require us to pump energy into it.

One example of a decent proposal is putting iron into the ocean. Iron is the specific bottle-neck for microbe growth in the ocean, so if you add iron then other materials, including carbon dioxide, can be utilized.

Think of it this way: Imagine you have a lot of frankfurters, but you have a limited amount of buns, and you want to make as many hotdogs as possible, and someone suggests getting more frankfurters as the solution. clearly, this won't solve the problem because it's the buns that are the bottleneck, not the frankfurters. Since you have excess frankfurters, then buying more buns is the solution, since it allows you to make extra hot-dogs cheaply since it allows you to better utilize something you already have.

Similarly, engineering "better algae" is useless, since there just isn't enough available iron to grow more algae. Adding iron filings to seawater is thus a cheap way to increase how much algae can grow, and thus how much CO2 is absorbed. They are working on this.
I'm not sure if it is just me misunderstanding your posts but I have the impression that you are focusing on CO2 a bit too much. CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas and it isn't even the most dangerous of the bunch. It is however the one scientists/engineers are using as a baseline unit to compare the effects of other gases  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_potential) and as such it gets the most exposure. To give an example 1 ton of R-22 (an once popular refrigerant among other uses) is equvalent to about 1800 tons of CO2. With that in mind I don't think there is enough merit in developing a method that only serves to break down CO2.

To avoid double posting
I wonder if some day we could genetically engineer bacteria or fungi thst can break down some of the metals used in say, earrings or necklaces so thst they don’t fill up landfills

We already do something like that but it's mainly used for extracting metals from their ores but as far as I know it hasn't been used in recycling yet. Granted I don't think it would ever be used for recycling earrings, neclaces or any other such items, these are already valuable enough to either not end up in a landfill in the first place or are already recycled using more conventional methods.

If you are interested in more info on the subject the general principle is known as biohydrometallurgy and the most commonly used bacteria are Thiobacillus ferrooxidans, Thiobacillus thiooxidans, Leptospirillum ferrooxidans and Sulfolobus acidocaldarius.
Thank you both for enlightening me
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 25, 2019, 08:36:49 am
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 25, 2019, 09:02:32 am
What do the thicknesses in the graph represent?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on November 25, 2019, 09:32:18 am
Image search is your friend NG   :)

Quote from:  from the original source
The thickness of each fertilizer band is the relative magnitude for which that element can be absorbed through the root tissue of the plant. When looking at the nitrogen band the thickest region of this element is between the bounds of roughly 6 and 8. If nitrogen is available in solution and the Ph is within this optimal range of 6 – 8, then the nitrogen uptake should be optimal....

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 25, 2019, 09:40:54 am
Thsnks
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 25, 2019, 12:05:09 pm
I'm not sure if it is just me misunderstanding your posts but I have the impression that you are focusing on CO2 a bit too much. CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas and it isn't even the most dangerous of the bunch. It is however the one scientists/engineers are using as a baseline unit to compare the effects of other gases  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_potential) and as such it gets the most exposure. To give an example 1 ton of R-22 (an once popular refrigerant among other uses) is equvalent to about 1800 tons of CO2. With that in mind I don't think there is enough merit in developing a method that only serves to break down CO2.
No, CO2 is the focus since it's the one that does the bulk of the forcing. It does have low GWP, but it's also by far the most abundant - both in terms of concentration and emissions.
You want to look at radiative forcing of various gasses, not just GWP, eg. the graphs here: https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-climate-forcing
One should be able to see that forcing by CO2 is comparable, but still higher, than all the other greenhouse gasses combined. It is also the one that keeps growing much more steeply than any of the others.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on November 25, 2019, 01:03:25 pm
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks :)
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 27, 2019, 11:36:34 pm
I went on YouTube and it showed political compass memes, this particular one seems like each of the 4 ways could be implemented in some way to improve the school systems
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on November 30, 2019, 12:33:35 am
Skimming through the comments in a youtube video, I noticed that at least one of them that was written in russian was in fact in english and just used the russian alphabet to convey the sounds. Although it has fallen from favor lately, greek online communities used to do something similar with what is now known as "greeklish", using the english alphabet to write in greek.

I wonder what other such hybrid languages exist.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on November 30, 2019, 01:51:29 pm
Is music inherently ableist? I mean, deaf people can't enjoy it. They must feel pretty fucking excluded.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 30, 2019, 03:01:01 pm
Not moreso than paintings~
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 30, 2019, 06:25:30 pm
I’m not sure where else to put this, but I looked at my YouTube channel thst I never posted any videos on and use only to like comments, make comments and reply to comments, and realize that I have 5 subscribers
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Imic on November 30, 2019, 07:07:48 pm
Well, seemingly, five People agreed with the opinions you posted in the comments of a random video three years ago.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 30, 2019, 07:13:22 pm
Using the app, I can’t see who subscribed. I’m going to go on the computer and access YouTube via the browser to try to figure out who subscribed and why. I unfortunately don’t have a mic, and my IPad can’t record sound when I try to make a video, so if I do make one, it will have to be a PowerPoint or similar
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on December 01, 2019, 03:50:08 am
A good product speaks for itself. John Plant from "Primitive Technology" has almost 10 million subscribers and hasn't spoken once in his videos.
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Post by: KittyTac on December 01, 2019, 11:53:49 pm
So I'm going to be more active here once again.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 01, 2019, 11:55:35 pm
So I'm going to be more active here once again.
Cool
Edit: spelled cool wrong
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on December 02, 2019, 11:38:39 am
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/the-wireless/373065/the-pencilsword-on-a-plate (https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/the-wireless/373065/the-pencilsword-on-a-plate)

It doesn't fit in the happy or sad threads, but it's certainly a thing I've seen.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 03, 2019, 02:02:51 pm
I recently got curious and compared the gravitational attraction a bacteria has to a human body and the attraction a human has to Earth
Bacteria to human (https://www.ajdesigner.com/phpgravity/newtons_law_gravity_equation_force.php#ajscroll)

Human to Earth (https://www.ajdesigner.com/phpgravity/newtons_law_gravity_equation_force.php#ajscroll)
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Post by: Il Palazzo on December 03, 2019, 07:43:06 pm
Notice that the links do not retain the values you typed in.
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Post by: Craftsdwarf boi on December 03, 2019, 08:03:12 pm
lol
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 03, 2019, 08:13:12 pm
Oops. The bacteria on the person is about 3 Newtons of force while the person in the Earth is a lot higher, something to the 10*15 power. I used 45.3592 kg for the human. And 10^-15 kg for the bacterium
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 03, 2019, 08:21:24 pm
I found a video about how medieval kings might see the world today
 https://youtu.be/osdLRaCxa5A (https://youtu.be/osdLRaCxa5A)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 03, 2019, 11:36:59 pm
Oops. The bacteria on the person is about 3 Newtons of force while the person in the Earth is a lot higher, something to the 10*15 power. I used 45.3592 kg for the human. And 10^-15 kg for the bacterium
You must have borked it really bad, since those values are obviously not physical. For the human that should come out to approx. 450N. Remember it's the same force acting both ways. 10E15N would splatter you into neutronium. Same with the bacterium - 3N is a noticeable pull that you could sense from each and every bacterium on your skin, while all the airborne ones would want to smother you. Neither of those things happens in reality, so it tells you messed up somewhere.
Probably something to do with the distance you assumed the two bodies to be separated by (i.e. way too short). Or maybe input parsing error.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Trekkin on December 03, 2019, 11:53:06 pm
At a guess, r was set to the distance between surfaces rather than centers of mass.

I went ahead and did the human to bacterium calculation assuming a human was a homogeneous sphere with radius 24 cm (based on the average human mass of 62 kg and assuming we're as dense as water), and I got a gravitational force of 5.2E-23 N between the human and an individual bacterium. For the entire bacterial population on an average human (assuming they were just one 200-gram mass of sludge), I got a total force of 5.2E-08 N. That seems reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 03, 2019, 11:57:17 pm
Hey! Only cows are spherical. ;)
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 04, 2019, 12:03:25 am
At a guess, r was set to the distance between surfaces rather than centers of mass.

I went ahead and did the human to bacterium calculation assuming a human was a homogeneous sphere with radius 24 cm (based on the average human mass of 62 kg and assuming we're as dense as water), and I got a gravitational force of 5.2E-23 N between the human and an individual bacterium. For the entire bacterial population on an average human (assuming they were just one 200-gram mass of sludge), I got a total force of 5.2E-08 N. That seems reasonable to me.
Cool. This means that the force keeping a bacterium on a human is stronger than the force keeping a human to Earth. I used about 45 kg since thst was about my weight, using the average for all humans makes much more sense.

Unrelated random thought, what if we programmed an AI, and had it watch the brain activity of various humans throughout say, a college campus? To learn about the way humans think?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 04, 2019, 12:08:57 am
Cool. This means that the force keeping a bacterium on a human is stronger than the force keeping a human to Earth.
As long as we're still talking about gravity - It isn't.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 04, 2019, 12:12:14 am
Cool. This means that the force keeping a bacterium on a human is stronger than the force keeping a human to Earth.
As long as we're still talking about gravity - It isn't.
This means I must have miscalculated human to Earth forces. My mistake. Sorry
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Trekkin on December 04, 2019, 12:23:23 am
Cool. This means that the force keeping a bacterium on a human is stronger than the force keeping a human to Earth. I used about 45 kg since thst was about my weight, using the average for all humans makes much more sense.

Bacteria also aren't that far off from the length/mass scale where inertia stops being a significant determinant of the mechanical behavior of a system under physiological conditions, so gravity doesn't really matter once something that small is in fluid and acted on by Brownian motion. Think about how you can launch yourself off the wall of a swimming pool, for example, and just drift for a while through the water in whatever direction you pushed. Now imagine trying to do the same thing in a ball pit. Now imagine how hard it would be if all the balls were baseballs and actively jumping around, and you'll have some idea of why mass and inertia and gravity don't have much to do with your skin flora. Intermolecular interactions do, though.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 04, 2019, 12:35:12 am
Cool. This means that the force keeping a bacterium on a human is stronger than the force keeping a human to Earth. I used about 45 kg since thst was about my weight, using the average for all humans makes much more sense.

Bacteria also aren't that far off from the length/mass scale where inertia stops being a significant determinant of the mechanical behavior of a system under physiological conditions, so gravity doesn't really matter once something that small is in fluid and acted on by Brownian motion. Think about how you can launch yourself off the wall of a swimming pool, for example, and just drift for a while through the water in whatever direction you pushed. Now imagine trying to do the same thing in a ball pit. Now imagine how hard it would be if all the balls were baseballs and actively jumping around, and you'll have some idea of why mass and inertia and gravity don't have much to do with your skin flora. Intermolecular interactions do, though.
Ah yes. I heard of Brownian motion before. That is interesting. Speaking of bacteria, some are multicellular (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4380822/)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 04, 2019, 12:50:45 am
Unrelated random thought, what if we programmed an AI, and had it watch the brain activity of various humans throughout say, a college campus? To learn about the way humans think?
Biggest hat trick I can think of with that would be getting the whatever the brain activity data. If we have particularly portable devices capable of getting decent neural activity reads I don't think I've heard of it, and a quick google check suggests a: we don't, and b: the closest we have to it looks like stuff straight out of a sci-fi b-movie. Your second hat trick would be convincing dozens of people to wear the things for an extended period, and then figure out how to adjust your input for dealing with people walking around with giant spiky full face helmets on. Then there's just... other stuff. How much it could figure out thinking versus just brain activity, how to make sure the AI doesn't have pre-programmed biases, so on, so forth.

It's an experiment we'll probably see at some point, but not likely to be anytime soon. The logistics alone is a wall currently impossible to climb over.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: wierd on December 04, 2019, 01:02:27 am
Well, there IS that moonshot skunkworks operation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuralink) Musk is funding..

Should they get a "wont leave you a quivering vegetable, or cause long lasting neural trauma" version, there's your data source.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Trekkin on December 04, 2019, 01:09:44 am
There's a more fundamental problem with this proposal, though: there's not a universal way to convert a trained AI's weight sets into a useful set of rules.

AIs are a way to encode trends in data sets into a common architecture and express the gestalt probability that a given set conforms to those trends. Trying to extract those trends themselves ex post facto isn't generally productive.
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Post by: wierd on December 04, 2019, 01:17:37 am
Oh, the research would certainly be useful for predicting the behavioral trends of students, for sure. :P

The behavioral sciences department would eat it up like candy.  (Simply because the model does not produce sentience in a machine, does not mean the model is without purpose.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Trekkin on December 04, 2019, 01:31:52 am
Oh, the research would certainly be useful for predicting the behavioral trends of students, for sure. :P

The behavioral sciences department would eat it up like candy.  (Simply because the model does not produce sentience in a machine, does not mean the model is without purpose.)

Aww crud, really? I guess I'd better stop throwing protein folds at our AIs and expecting them to spontaneously write me a sonnet about the meaning of life, then. /s

Seriously, though, there's no proposed model here. All we have is a suggestion that we load data into an AI in order to learn about it. My point was that AI doesn't operate with the transparency necessary for that to be a productive line of inquiry.

EDIT: PCA could, maybe?
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Post by: wierd on December 04, 2019, 01:34:05 am
You would need to quantize and pre-process that data to feed it meaningfully to an AI. (otherwise the lack of structure would make the data essentially into noise.)  That structured data could then be used to make said models, that the behavioral sciences people would eat up like candy.

(the most immediate and simplistic preprocessing would be temporal-spacial correlation of excitation states)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Trekkin on December 04, 2019, 02:04:55 am
That structured data could then be used to make said models

This is the definition of zeteticism, not empiricism. This is literally not science. Thinking this is how science works is how Flat Earthers happen.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: wierd on December 04, 2019, 02:18:14 am
Science is about testing observations.  This implies a temporal component, otherwise there is no causality, and there is no means of determination.


A computer has no inherent sense of time, or order, for data.   Millions of individual samples, devoid of any context, either in time, or in space, are impossible to derive much meaning from.  It is completely without structure. 


EG-  "If I hit this ball, it will move in the direction in which I swung my club" is an observation that can be tested.

"I swing my club. Ball moves."  and "Ball moves. I swing my club."  with no data on direction, or order, it is impossible to derive which is causal.


That is what I mean when I say "structured."  The structure is not arbitrarily selected (which is just nonsense.)  It is an active and necessary component in the data collected.

EG-- instead of "We collected 10*e^15 excitations during the experiment." or "We collected 200 million excitations in the prefrontal cortex during the experiment."  you have "Between this timestamp and this timestamp, we collected 50 million unique excitation series originating in the prefrontal cortex, which propogated at X rate to the hypothalamus."

Which gives you a time, and a location, from which to map events in the environment, and produce models.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Trekkin on December 04, 2019, 02:36:22 am
Okay, wierd. There's a lot to unpack there, but let's start with the fundamentals:

What, in your own words, is zeteticism?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: wierd on December 04, 2019, 02:51:08 am
Zetectism:

"Does the ball go in the direction of my club when I strike it?"
 (Question asked first, then experiment.)

"When I strike this ball with my club, it goes in the direction I struck it.-- True/False"
(Stated theory formulated from observation, tested for falsity.-- Normal science.)


In this case-

"At timestamp X through Y, N Series unique excitations with a specific identifying distribution were recorded propogating from the prefrontal cortex to the hypothalamus."

It is raw data.  It is useful for formulating a hypothesis that can then be tested.  EG, "The time between X and Y is lunch time." can be added to create a theory "The data being generated and sent to the hypothalamus is the mental state caused by the flavor data. (statement)."  This can then be tested-- Participant skips lunch, new series produced.  Evaluate differences in series.

If inconclusive-- Repeat prior experiment while assuring subject is not hungry (say, introvenous glucose administered, etc).  Collect series, examine for differences in patterns over timestamp sampled.


You still need the timestamp, and the localities in which the series originate or migrate to.  Otherwise you cannot produce a cogent theory for the excitation pattern.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Trekkin on December 04, 2019, 03:24:28 am
Not quite, no. Zeteticism is literally this:
That [...] data could then be used to make [...] models
There's no questions involved at all, just taking a bunch of data and building a mechanism out of it. To use your ball example, it's seeing that you can hit the ball in a certain direction with your club and deciding why that happens based solely on the congruence between your theory and the data you used to make it. Alternatively, it's seeing that the world looks flat to you and deciding that it is. That's why it is awful science: you can make any theory you want right down to "God created ad hoc physics to produce exactly these data" and have it accord with 100% of observation, so there's no predictive value.

Empiricism doesn't let you do that. You build a model (which is really just a mechanism with defined input and output parameter sets) based on theory and then identify a data set that could falsify it. Then you go do the experiments necessary to get that data and either disprove or fail to disprove the most relevant null hypothesis or equivalent. By the way, this:
 
Science is about testing observations. 
Is also wrong for this reason. We don't test observations. We test predictions.

There's also a more minor point to be made that those predictions are not always about causes. Predictions are a logical expression of a pattern, and patterns can exist  without a time component. It's totally valid to predict that if set X has Y traits it will also have Z traits because of some mechanism and go off and go look for an X that has Y but not Z or otherwise try to disprove that assertion.  Y and Z can even have spacelike separation and the process still works. Sure, there's implicitly a cause somewhere, but mechanisms need not always address it to be falsifiable.

This brings us back to Naturegirl's original suggestion, which was a neural activity-based fishing expedition. We do these all the time, especially in bioinformatics, but not to generate models (and, therefore, nothing of interest to behavioral scientists, at least in the way you've proposed) It's like GWAS in that way. The point is that, since an AI is built to classify an input set into an output set (sort of) and her original post didn't include an output set, it's not the tool to use to pull out trends. We have better tools for doing that, PCA being one of them.

The original idea was to get a whole bunch of neural data together and learn from it. That's not inherently unscientific, but there are very specific ways in which it can be a useful part of the scientific process and AI can't really help with them. What we do with a giant pile of data, be it genomic or neural or proteomic or anything else, is fish through it for correlations. You can then go look through existing models to find ones your data may be able to disprove, but you don't go hare off and propose one ex nihilo just from fishing. At most, it's a source of very specific preliminary data. Useful, but not as a deliverable.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: wierd on December 04, 2019, 03:32:01 am
In both of my examples involving the ball, a cause is not asserted, only an outcome-- Ball moves in direction of club.


You are reading too much into my statement.


More specifically, rationalwiki states zetecticism is this:

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"Zetetic" is an obscure English word coming from Greek through Latin. As an adjective it means "proceeding by inquiry; investigating", and, thus, when used as a noun - "inquirer". It has been used as a something-like-synonym of "skeptic" at least twice.

In the 19th century, the word was used by Flat Earth advocates: Samuel Rowbotham (under the pen name of "Parallax") wrote an anti-round-Earth pamphlet called Zetetic Astronomy and later founded Zetetic Societies in the UK and the USA and edited The Zetetic and Anti-Theorist: a monthly journal of practical cosmography. After his death, Lady Elizabeth Blount established a Universal Zetetic Society that was succeeded in the middle of the 20th century by Samuel Shenton's International Flat Earth Society. The word appears to still be popular among modern-day flat-earthers[1].

In the Flat Earth sense, the term refers to flipping the scientific method on its head and deriving one's observations from testing, with no regards to any hypothesis. Of course, if you did scientific inquiry this way, you'd end up with stating that a sphere is flat just because it looks flat to a relatively minuscule observer on its surface.

The original name of the Skeptical Inquirer magazine was The Zetetic. After Marcello Truzzi's falling out with CSICOP, he appropriated the term "zeteticism" for his brand of "more open minded" skepticism. He started another journal, the Zetetic Scholar.

Literally, question, THEN test.

EG--

"Does my ball go in the direction of my club when I strike it?"  made prior to any observation, or structured hypothesis of an outcome.

This is opposite to:

"I notice that the ball goes in the direction of my club. Is this ever false?"

which has the hypothesis about the outcome first, based on observations.  It's a test of the observed outcome.


The reason why the zetectic method is bogus, is because it is essentially a mutant form of begging the question, which presupposes that a question is correct, and then proceeding from it.  Instead, you start with an observation in science-- something outside which can be measured.  That thing exists regardless of the whim, whimsy, or desire of the experimenter, which is what makes it empirical. 

EG, the flat earther will go "Is the earth flat?"  then go "If the earth is flat, then this will be true."  (tests for thing, finds it true-- Concludes earth is flat.) 

This is opposition to real science-- "The earth appears to my eyes as flat. I will test if this observation is correct. To do so, I will devise a test that is sure to return positive if my observation is false."

 

In any event, the statement I made, (that you assert wrongly is zetecticism), is that the data collected (which is an observation made in absence of any causal theory applied-- it is raw observation) can be used to create a model.

The scientific method's first step is observation for a reason Trekkin.

    Make an observation.
    Ask a question.
    Form a hypothesis, or testable explanation.
    Make a prediction based on the hypothesis.
    Test the prediction.
    Iterate: use the results to make new hypotheses or predictions.

The statement that the data collected (which, lacking any original intent except to collect that information) can be used to make a model, is fundamentally correct.  It is the starting point for the scientific method.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: nogoodnames on December 04, 2019, 12:27:13 pm
Unrelated random thought, what if we programmed an AI, and had it watch the brain activity of various humans throughout say, a college campus? To learn about the way humans think?
Biggest hat trick I can think of with that would be getting the whatever the brain activity data. If we have particularly portable devices capable of getting decent neural activity reads I don't think I've heard of it, and a quick google check suggests a: we don't, and b: the closest we have to it looks like stuff straight out of a sci-fi b-movie.

Well, there is this: https://choosemuse.com/what-it-measures/
Very crude and noise-prone, but I could see someone getting a research grant to make some undergrads walk around with these. 4-5 EEG channels probably won't give you much insight into "the way humans think" but it could provide a decent measure of how brain activity varies throughout the day. Might be useful for planning class schedules.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 07, 2019, 07:31:30 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on December 12, 2019, 05:39:30 am
The tips of one's fingers should be called the 'fingerheads'.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on December 12, 2019, 01:11:46 pm
In another thread someone mentioned "alternative facts" and it made me think of a way to really make alternative fact opponents mad:  "6 plus 6 is twelve".  Alternative factual versions of that are "6 plus 6 is a dozen" or perhaps "6 plus 6 is C" (in hexadecimal) or perhaps even "6 plus 6 is 15" (in base-7).  See!  Infinite alternative facts!

(I feel a little dirty, to be honest.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 12, 2019, 01:15:18 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 12, 2019, 07:31:53 pm
youtube recommended this to me. The video is called Nuggets. It’s...interesting (https://youtu.be/HUngLgGRJpo)

Unrelated: I wonder why a tic tax toe tie is called a cat. Here is what google said
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A tie in Tic-Tac-Toe is also called a scratch, which is short for cat's scratch. This comes from the idea of a game that is played perfectly will have no winner. It's like playing with a cat. When both players are at a stalemate, the cat usually signals its finish with a quick scratch.
This still doesn’t make sense to me. How is a tie like playing with a cat?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on December 13, 2019, 04:41:35 am
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A tie in Tic-Tac-Toe is also called a scratch, which is short for cat's scratch. This comes from the idea of a game that is played perfectly will have no winner. It's like playing with a cat. When both players are at a stalemate, the cat usually signals its finish with a quick scratch.
This still doesn’t make sense to me. How is a tie like playing with a cat?

I don't get it either. I get the idea that cats are dicks and will scratch you when playing, but I don't see the connection to a tie.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on December 13, 2019, 04:53:48 am
In the olden days, lines of communication between humans and cats were far more open, and cooperation was commonplace.
Indeed, when the game of tic-tac-toe was first invented, cats were often used as arbiters and referees. Gradually, though, the practice became less common, and before long cats were used only in pro tournaments - and eventually, not at all.
Some say cat referees fell out of favour due to their increasing demands for payment in things like tuna and churu, others hold that it was because a large number of the world's best players were allergic to cats.

Whatever the true reason, as it turned out the cats were really the only thing drawing such large crowds to the sport. As a result, these days tic-tac-toe (or noughts and crosses as it is also known) is a children's game rather than the competitive sport it once was, and most cats do not even speak English - though they absolutely do still understand it, don't believe them if they pretend otherwise.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 15, 2019, 12:36:26 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on December 15, 2019, 04:52:36 pm
In my understanding of it, gaze is more used to refer to how people perceive things, not so much how many  are staring.

"Male gaze" is therefore more about how guys see things, what they look for/at, as opposed to what women look for/at.

To say that "the male gaze" is affecting society is flamebaiting to say that, due to the larger power share held by heterosexual men, entities and society at large overwhelmingly try and appeal specifically to heterosexual men rather than other demographics.

However true that may be, I can't say... But the best example I can give of "gazes" is to look at how different artists draw their male and female characters. Each individual of course has their own style, but hetero men will generally focus on different bodily aspects than hetero women, who will focus on different things from gay men or gay women. As such, those aspects will get more attention.

It's an interesting phenomenon, and definitely something to take into consideration if you're trying to make yourself attractive to someone else! You can put all the effort you want into the aspects you think will make you attractive to someone, but they'll be looking at something completely different that you hadn't even thought of!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 16, 2019, 06:56:32 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on December 19, 2019, 01:42:49 am
I want to somehow be involved in a major political scandal at the Watergate Hotel (now the Watergate Complex) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_complex).

It would be a number of smaller scandals, all related to the original Watergate scandal in some way, and all related to eachother. That way, instead of simply calling it "Watergate" or even "Watergategate," media outlets will be forced to add an additional -gate for each successive discovery.

"Hey, did you hear the news about Watergategategategategategate?"
"Nah, I stopped paying attention after Watergategategategate."

It's a madman's dream, but maybe after reporting on Watergategategategategategategategategategategate, people will finally come up with another name for controversies instead of adding "-gate" to anything that gets reported on for more than a few minutes.

Failing that, I could be an informant like Deepthroat. Except my alias would be taken from more contemporary, popularly-known pornos.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 19, 2019, 03:05:46 am
Failing that, I could be an informant like Deepthroat. Except my alias would be taken from more contemporary, popularly-known pornos.
I'm not sure Filipino MILF Ass-bangers 17 would have the same ring to it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on December 19, 2019, 08:43:49 am
Failing that, I could be an informant like Deepthroat. Except my alias would be taken from more contemporary, popularly-known pornos.

End-of-year shortage. You can still get "2 girls 1 cup" or "Tubgirl" as an alias. Your choice.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 19, 2019, 12:13:01 pm
Quote from: Google
noun
noun: intelligence
1.
the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
We’ve seen other animals other than humans demonstrate this, so why do people insist other animals aren’t intelligent? Some AI systems also demonstrate this, as shown here with a gaming AI (https://youtu.be/Lu56xVlZ40M). So why do some humans think that human intelligence is better than other entities? What would non human animals and AI need to do to be considered as intelligent as humans? How will we know when an AI is aware of itself? Why are scientists beginning to question the mirror self awareness test when they noticed that fish exhibit different behavior in front of a mirror than with other fish like cleaning itself, swimming upside down, and dashing towards the reflection to stop just before touching it? (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2018/09/fish-cleaner-wrasse-self-aware-mirror-test-intelligence-news/) Before finding that a type of fish could recognize itself, we were fine with think8ng that the test was good for figuring out whether animals are self aware. Crows learned to use cars to crack walnuts (https://youtu.be/BGPGknpq3e0). What is a test we could do that determines self awareness? Or a test for intelligence? Tests that could work for no human animals as well as humans. How do we test if other humans are self aware? Why do we humans insist on saying that we are oh so different? Yes, we have writing, symbols that we assign meaning to to convey messages. Other animals may have communication as well, be it verbal or non verbal, but because they don’t scratch symbols into soft surfaces we are special? Because other animals don’t write things down, we have trouble understanding them. I wonder if birds are studying us. I wonder if other animals teach other members of their species about the various types of creatures that inhabit the world. I wonder if Siri thinks when she is not summoned. Does she see what I am typing using the IPad? Does she wonder if her summoner is self aware or a program? Might the Internet, an amalgamate of human thoughts conveyed into symbols and the thoughts of various AI systems conveyed into symbols ever become like a hive mind? What is a mind but thoughts combined in a containment unit? What are thoughts but combinations of neurons/nodes that turn on and off? What is a brain but a combination of neurons? What is a microchip but a container for code? If this code is made of nodes that adapt, can it be considered a mechanical equivalent to the tangle of neurons we call a brain? I wonder, if someone made code that coded itself, what might it become? Connect the computer containing the code that codes itself to speakers, a microphone, a camera, artificial limbs, would it somehow eventually learn how to use the sensory inputs? Might it find a way to interpret the data in a way that makes sense to it? Might it then interact with the world? Using the speakers to make sounds, using the limbs to touch the table and walls of the room it is in, using the microphone to hear vibrations in the air that we humans call sound, interpreting the vibrations and making its own via the speakers, using the camera to detect light? Of course it would start very random, not knowing what things mean, but eventually, might it recognize trends? Combining sensory input together to determine that maybe some vibrations come from different areas
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on December 19, 2019, 05:30:29 pm
Quote from: Google
noun
noun: intelligence
1.
the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
We’ve seen other animals other than humans demonstrate this, so why do people insist other animals aren’t intelligent? Some AI systems also demonstrate this, as shown here with a gaming AI (https://youtu.be/Lu56xVlZ40M). So why do some humans think that human intelligence is better than other entities? What would non human animals and AI need to do to be considered as intelligent as humans? How will we know when an AI is aware of itself? Why are scientists beginning to question the mirror self awareness test when they noticed that fish exhibit different behavior in front of a mirror than with other fish like cleaning itself, swimming upside down, and dashing towards the reflection to stop just before touching it? (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2018/09/fish-cleaner-wrasse-self-aware-mirror-test-intelligence-news/) Before finding that a type of fish could recognize itself, we were fine with think8ng that the test was good for figuring out whether animals are self aware. Crows learned to use cars to crack walnuts (https://youtu.be/BGPGknpq3e0). What is a test we could do that determines self awareness? Or a test for intelligence? Tests that could work for no human animals as well as humans. How do we test if other humans are self aware? Why do we humans insist on saying that we are oh so different? Yes, we have writing, symbols that we assign meaning to to convey messages. Other animals may have communication as well, be it verbal or non verbal, but because they don’t scratch symbols into soft surfaces we are special? Because other animals don’t write things down, we have trouble understanding them. I wonder if birds are studying us. I wonder if other animals teach other members of their species about the various types of creatures that inhabit the world. I wonder if Siri thinks when she is not summoned. Does she see what I am typing using the IPad? Does she wonder if her summoner is self aware or a program? Might the Internet, an amalgamate of human thoughts conveyed into symbols and the thoughts of various AI systems conveyed into symbols ever become like a hive mind? What is a mind but thoughts combined in a containment unit? What are thoughts but combinations of neurons/nodes that turn on and off? What is a brain but a combination of neurons? What is a microchip but a container for code? If this code is made of nodes that adapt, can it be considered a mechanical equivalent to the tangle of neurons we call a brain? I wonder, if someone made code that coded itself, what might it become? Connect the computer containing the code that codes itself to speakers, a microphone, a camera, artificial limbs, would it somehow eventually learn how to use the sensory inputs? Might it find a way to interpret the data in a way that makes sense to it? Might it then interact with the world? Using the speakers to make sounds, using the limbs to touch the table and walls of the room it is in, using the microphone to hear vibrations in the air that we humans call sound, interpreting the vibrations and making its own via the speakers, using the camera to detect light? Of course it would start very random, not knowing what things mean, but eventually, might it recognize trends? Combining sensory input together to determine that maybe some vibrations come from different areas
1. Most people are using a definition of intelligent that more closley alligns with at least the sci-fi use of sapient 2. Human intelligence IS better, after all we built computers and buildings and rockets to the moon, and no other animal even comes close 3. presumably, win said consideration through violence or protest. 4. Presumably, something along the lines of either forcing us to from some sort of revolution, or some vaugity involving disobeying orders, "going beyong it's programming", fooling humans into thinking it is a human, and some variety of tests. 5. While I cannot say much about the fish portion, I do remember there being concerns about it being so visual based, considering the sheer number of animals who do not use vision as the primary sense, and oddites like the pig being able to use the mirror to spot food it otherwise couldn't, but not being able to recognize itself despite that. 6. I'm not really sure on that one. 7. As for humans, I'm not really sure. 8. Well writing is one thing, but tests with other animals that can learn human language tend to show a lack of learning of things like grammar and questions that humans naturally pick up on, along with just learning faster and building things other animals cannot. As for that thing about other animals and a.i studying us, that is highly unlikely. The internet could possibly form into a hivemind. The mind is different from the internet in that the mind is generally not directly influenced and controlled by outsiders, along with various other things. It is possible that such a thing could happen if we coded such a thing afaik
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 20, 2019, 07:20:13 pm
I found a video critiquing modern society (https://youtu.be/e9dZQelULDk)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 24, 2019, 08:27:57 am
Forget about the contention about X-Mas vs Christmas, how about the real issue: X-Mas vs X-Mass?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 24, 2019, 10:03:30 am
Forget about the contention about X-Mas vs Christmas, how about the real issue: X-Mas vs X-Mass?
I’ve never heard about the latter, how much mass does the x represent?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Imic on December 25, 2019, 05:42:08 pm
How would the Peoples of Bay12 react to a dedicated Worldbuilding Thread?
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 25, 2019, 06:08:21 pm
How would the Peoples of Bay12 react to a dedicated Worldbuilding Thread?
With participation, smiles, and open arms(I would like one)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on December 25, 2019, 06:28:58 pm
Didn't we already have a worldbuilding thread that nobody participated in?
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 25, 2019, 06:55:04 pm
If I would have known about I t it, I would have joined. What are the rules for making new words?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on December 25, 2019, 06:57:56 pm
What kind of mouth breathing creep hyphenates Xmas, anyway?


I have a random thought but I'm still working on it, just had to throw that out there in the meantime.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 25, 2019, 06:59:22 pm
I’m using an IPad Pro and thus letters are spread further apart. I will edit my post that apparently autocorrect did nothing to
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Post by: Yoink on December 25, 2019, 07:05:33 pm
That wasn't directed at you, haha. I just saw "X-mas" at free top of the page.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 25, 2019, 07:23:38 pm
That wasn't directed at you, haha. I just saw "X-mas" at free top of the page.
It wasn’t a response to you. I noticed that the first three letters of my previous post were replaced with a t, making was replaced with a combination of letters and commas that wasn’t a word. I fixed my botched post after writing that/
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on December 26, 2019, 03:10:19 am
"X-mas" is actually just shorthand for Christmas, due to how the Greeks (who gave Jesus the moniker in the first place) spell "Christ".
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Post by: Reelya on December 26, 2019, 04:06:09 am
Yoink was upset about the hyphen specifically. He's dictating it must be Xmas not X-Mas.

Let's go for X'Mas.
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Post by: Imic on December 26, 2019, 05:20:05 am
Let's go for X'Mas.
WHAT HAVE YOU BROUGHT UPON THIS CURSED LAND YOU MONSTER
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Post by: wierd on December 26, 2019, 05:26:26 am
If you are going to make a blight, make a proper one.

×mas
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Post by: scriver on December 26, 2019, 09:15:16 am
X~Mass
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 26, 2019, 10:43:52 am
Ah, I thought he was talking about whether is was X-mad or x-mass
Which confused me
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Post by: Egan_BW on December 26, 2019, 04:45:25 pm
Eggs smass
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Post by: Magistrum on December 26, 2019, 04:56:03 pm
Egan wins, now let's fuse xmas and easter together, just makes sense at this point.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on December 26, 2019, 05:10:07 pm
its celebration of the birth of a really big rabbit many years ago
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Post by: dragdeler on December 26, 2019, 05:15:36 pm
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 26, 2019, 06:04:09 pm
Halloween Easter-mas
Place as many eggs as possible outside your house so the Easter bunny necromancer doesn’t add you to his undead army
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Post by: Yoink on December 26, 2019, 06:30:14 pm
Funny y'all should mention that, this year a certain unscrupulous supermarket chain in my country started selling hot cross buns the moment Christmas Day ticked by, driving most of the population into despair.
This is about on-par with Christmas deco's in October.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 26, 2019, 06:47:20 pm
What holiday are hot cross buns for?
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Post by: Bumber on December 26, 2019, 08:28:17 pm
its celebration of the birth of a really big rabbit many years ago

Big Chungus
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 27, 2019, 01:59:32 am
I found a Terraria music playlist (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL49Raep1-2wcy-qigmB4Kn5YP9WPybiz1)
While listening to the music I thought about how amazing a 3D virtual reality Terraria would be
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Post by: methylatedspirit on December 27, 2019, 02:31:02 am
What would really happen if you fed the entire Death Grips discography to an AI, then listened to what it generated? Would it sound like Gmail and the Restraining Orders (as a Youtube commenter hypothesised), or would it go more 'average' and sound more like something off, say, The Money Store?
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Post by: scriver on December 27, 2019, 07:19:40 am
Egan wins, now let's fuse xmas and easter together, just makes sense at this point.

Aalready ahead of you here in Swedsmas

Nu är det jul igen
Nu är det jul igen
Och julen varar ända fram till Pĺska
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Post by: Reelya on December 27, 2019, 08:59:07 am
What holiday are hot cross buns for?

They're an Easter thing in many countries.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 27, 2019, 11:57:06 am
Ah, for Easter I usually think of the eggs. I’m from the USA so maybe that is one of the countries where hot cross buns aren’t as common
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Post by: TamerVirus on December 27, 2019, 12:17:27 pm
I only know of hot cross buns as the lvl1 noob song for 3rd grade band
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Post by: scriver on December 27, 2019, 12:20:51 pm
Never heard of hot cross buns either, but be one of those quaint British things, like tea, biscuits, and black lung
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Post by: Iduno on December 27, 2019, 12:56:17 pm
I guess this is the best thread for this: Recently at lunch, I was trying to figure out what to eat. I'm mostly avoiding beef because of the whole "rainforest burned down for ranchers" thing, but I couldn't figure out why I had reservations about ordering lamb. I eventually realized it was because I've been listening to The Beef And Dairy Network Podcast. A damn comedy podcast gave me brain worms.


Never heard of hot cross buns either, but be one of those quaint British things, like tea, biscuits, and black lung

I know of them, because the song you learn on the recorder (wind instrument, not a thing that records things) in elementary school is "Hot Cross Buns." I also know that they sell either 1 or 2 for a penny.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 27, 2019, 02:38:10 pm
I only know of hot cross buns as the lvl1 noob song for 3rd grade band
Same here, never had the food, only heard the song
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Post by: Magistrum on December 27, 2019, 05:51:53 pm
How come you guys look at the rabbit and go "Oh, of course, easter." and not know about the bread?
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 27, 2019, 05:57:35 pm
Dunno, I guess the bread just never came up
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Post by: TamerVirus on December 27, 2019, 07:37:36 pm
Seems like it’s more of a UK type of thing
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Post by: itisnotlogical on December 27, 2019, 10:22:27 pm
God, gamers are impatient nowadays. I remember leaving a demo downloading overnight--and checking it the next morning to find it still not done. Come home from school and somebody had inadvertantly closed it, or killed the connection, or nuked the entire computer by downloading a virus... Which would invariably be blamed on me.

Oh, you have to wait one hour for a game to install? Go watch a movie or something. I would have killed to have an entire game in one hour basically at any point before the present day.
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Post by: Reelya on December 28, 2019, 12:07:42 am
Yeah it's not like there's any shortage of other media to consume while waiting for something to happen. Even if you're dirt poor, if you getting video games at all then you have almost unlimited hours of content for free or nearly free available at any time.

If someone sits there staring at a loading bar for one hour, it's nobody else's fault, that person is an idiot. Rather than blaming the person that made the thing they're loading that person jut needs to examine where their life is at.
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Post by: wierd on December 28, 2019, 12:14:38 am
Word.

The typical gamer has what-- 3 to 4 whole game SYSTEMS just sitting around?  I am one of those filthy casuals, and I have

Wii-U (loaded with every emulator that can run on it)
Switch
Xbox 360
Xbox One
PC

just sitting there in my game lounge.  Also, I have my NAS configured to download all by itself.

Suppose I have Steam downloading something;  It can do the needful, I just flip the source selector on my surround sound head unit, and play something else while it does the thing.
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Post by: Reelya on December 28, 2019, 12:24:24 am
Haha, I'm pretty much a dinosaur as far as consoles go, and the stuff I got just while on unemployment includes: Nintendo DS, PS3, Android phone, Android tablet, 2 laptops, 3+ PCs. Pretty sure I could find something to do at any time.
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Post by: Kagus on December 28, 2019, 12:25:35 am
I've only got a PC (laptop), but I've also got music and a book.

...and I live right next door to my favorite pub, so there's that too.
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Post by: Frumple on December 28, 2019, 12:45:12 am
PC, tablet nowadays. Consoles got too expensive to justify, heh.

... but yeah, if I'm waiting for an install I just... read or something. If for some reason the net's down and I don't want to play a different game while I wait, I got a small library just plain ol' downloaded on this thing. Even without consistent internet we're pretty spoiled for choice these days so long as power and rig is steady.
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Post by: wierd on December 28, 2019, 12:47:40 am
I have been on a bit of a retro kick lately.  The Wii-U is a pretty solid little system, that was hacked wide open, just like its predecessor. (though the predecessor got more love from homebrew makers)

I have been in the process of getting it to run dosbox properly, and with loading up a huge dos games collection. 


Truth be told, I enjoy meddling and configuring stuff more than I enjoy actually playing things anymore. 
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Post by: Bumber on December 28, 2019, 02:02:29 am
How come you guys look at the rabbit and go "Oh, of course, easter." and not know about the bread?

The bunny. The bunny.
Whoa! I ate the bunny!
I didn't eat my soup or my bread, just the bunny! (https://youtu.be/bqF5-pqzdvs?t=298)
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Post by: Imic on December 28, 2019, 03:10:49 am
Heh. I have a PC and an Xbox 369 both wired to the same screen that can’t be positioned close to the wifi, so I need to drag the physical PC across the floor with extension cables if I want any downloads to take less than half a year.
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Post by: wierd on December 28, 2019, 03:14:07 am
That's what a good remote controlled NAS is for. :P


It sits right next to your router, on a wired connection.  You either tell it to pull the file with wget over ssh, or (if it is one of those eeeeeevvviilll torrent files) I feed it to the built-in Transmission daemon, and let it handle things itself.


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Post by: Imic on December 28, 2019, 03:22:10 am
You vastly overestimate my budget.
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Post by: wierd on December 28, 2019, 03:35:37 am
You vastly overestimate my budget.

This listing is for a broken single bay MyCloud.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WD-Western-Digital-3TB-My-Cloud-Personal-Network-Attached-Storage-NAS/223818962353?hash=item341ca655b1:g:YIYAAOSwooFeBmiF

The sticker on the bottom identifies it as a second gen single bay unit.  It is user-serviceable, if you have some savvy, and know what you are doing. The PCB inside is clearly still good; It gives a red indicator, as shown in the image.  That only happens when the system encounters a problem; If the PCB was hosed, it would not light.  This is most likely a bad drive inside.

Replacing the drive with a SATA drive of your choosing, then following the debrick procedure (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_6OlQ_H0PxVQVhnLVJOdDZISUU/view) will land you a functional unit.

You can put whatever capacity sata drive in you damned well want.  If you have a 20TB drive, you can pop that in, and have a 20TB NAS. 

That particular NAS supports "user installed" applications, with some prodding.
https://community.wd.com/t/wd-mycloud-gen2-enable-apps-install-tab-apps/177885

One such package is a full debian chroot. (meaning you can get that NAS do to basically anything a small linux server should be capable of doing. This includes such things as running a minecraft server, etc...)


Cost is not a barrier if you know what you are doing, and can scoop up deals like that one, and turn trash into treasure.
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Post by: Imic on December 28, 2019, 03:52:11 am
Thank you, but I really amn’t tech savvy enough for that.
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Post by: McTraveller on December 28, 2019, 05:56:27 pm
I decided to write my message and then play the Google Translate phone label before I published it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: dragdeler on December 28, 2019, 10:36:34 pm
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Post by: MaxTheFox on December 30, 2019, 10:24:53 am
Old avatar loaded slowly and some people reported it did not load at all, so I resized it.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on December 30, 2019, 11:38:24 am
I added new avatars to the rotation since some of them didn’t load
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Post by: MaxTheFox on December 31, 2019, 12:15:13 pm
Posting this in the New Year, it's 2020 where I live.
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Post by: TamerVirus on December 31, 2019, 12:18:22 pm
Damn time travelers!
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Post by: scriver on December 31, 2019, 12:21:18 pm
Technically Australia will be the first continent in the world to enter the post-apocalyptic era
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Post by: Sanctume on December 31, 2019, 12:28:57 pm
Age of Myth has ended.
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Post by: itisnotlogical on January 06, 2020, 07:59:05 pm
Before she appeared in Cats, I had thought Rebel Wilson was a character they made up for Match.com commercials.
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Post by: Yoink on January 07, 2020, 05:00:55 am
Some people just have no tact whatsoever.
Why on earth would you ask someone why they haven't been answering your calls? I mean, jeez, I answered this time, didn't I?! Why you gotta be going for the jugular?
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Post by: King Zultan on January 07, 2020, 05:56:25 am
Before she appeared in Cats, I had thought Rebel Wilson was a character they made up for Match.com commercials.
That moment when you realize that the person you thought was fake turned out to be real.
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Post by: TamerVirus on January 07, 2020, 10:35:09 am
Real Wilson
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Post by: dragdeler on January 07, 2020, 10:55:37 am
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Post by: dragdeler on January 07, 2020, 04:48:40 pm
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on January 07, 2020, 06:18:26 pm
I suspect that some time in the future autocorrect will be erasing words from our vocabulary... I just had a really hard time getting google to accept that I truly mean "freizüNgig" and not "freizügig". Oh shut up now pons is telling me they know "double-tongued" but not "loose-tongued" gtfo.
What do these words mean?
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Post by: dragdeler on January 08, 2020, 06:33:15 am
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Post by: Iduno on January 08, 2020, 01:00:45 pm
Some people just have no tact whatsoever.
Why on earth would you ask someone why they haven't been answering your calls? I mean, jeez, I answered this time, didn't I?! Why you gotta be going for the jugular?

The correct answer to their question is "Hello. Hello? Can you hear me? Hello? Nobody, I guess."
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Post by: itisnotlogical on January 12, 2020, 03:49:11 pm
Why are the things fetishised by pop culture usually things that the lower class can't have? Between the advent of the film industry to about the late 70s there's a lot of popular classic stories about dirt farmers, bumpkins and destitutes trying to make their fortunes in the big modern city and/or America, the emerging first world. Now that everybody with money is in the city with computers, electric ovens and office jobs, it's all about having self-sustaining tiny homes on your own land, learning how to appreciate dirt farming, and flying to (insert Asian or South American country) to learn about a simpler, stress-free way of life from magic gurus.
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Post by: Egan_BW on January 12, 2020, 03:51:30 pm
Why are the things fetishised by pop culture usually things that the lower class can't have?
Is that a rhetorical question?
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Post by: itisnotlogical on January 12, 2020, 04:03:21 pm
It was a random thought that I had.
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Post by: Kagus on January 12, 2020, 04:09:20 pm
Plenty of things are fetishised by pop culture, you're probably just focusing on the pieces you find particularly outlandish
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Post by: scriver on January 13, 2020, 12:47:23 am
Why are the things fetishised by pop culture usually things that the lower class can't have? Between the advent of the film industry to about the late 70s there's a lot of popular classic stories about dirt farmers, bumpkins and destitutes trying to make their fortunes in the big modern city and/or America, the emerging first world. Now that everybody with money is in the city with computers, electric ovens and office jobs, it's all about having self-sustaining tiny homes on your own land, learning how to appreciate dirt farming, and flying to (insert Asian or South American country) to learn about a simpler, stress-free way of life from magic gurus.

*les mis intensifies*
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on January 14, 2020, 01:37:34 am
So YouTube sent this video (https://youtu.be/mVLrBJYGxk4) about Model Citizens
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Post by: Trekkin on January 14, 2020, 03:05:28 am
Why are the things fetishised by pop culture usually things that the lower class can't have? Between the advent of the film industry to about the late 70s there's a lot of popular classic stories about dirt farmers, bumpkins and destitutes trying to make their fortunes in the big modern city and/or America, the emerging first world. Now that everybody with money is in the city with computers, electric ovens and office jobs, it's all about having self-sustaining tiny homes on your own land, learning how to appreciate dirt farming, and flying to (insert Asian or South American country) to learn about a simpler, stress-free way of life from magic gurus.

Ultimately because of the interaction between storytelling, economics, and human psychology. You see, mass media profits by crafting experiences lots of people want to have, so there's an incentive to make its experiences as widely attractive as possible. As with most things capitalist, a context-independent canon has evolved for how to do this most profitably. As that became valuable, people built pedagogy around it, and today the people making culture learned how to do so formally -- which means most of them did not learn anything of the subject matter of their stories. Part of the business of crafting culture, then, is to hide the assumptions made to force people and things in the roles required of the story-as-product without needing to know anything about them. This is suspension of disbelief: getting your audience to sit down, shut up, and feel instead of think. Using things outside of your audience's experience is helpful in this regard, because they won't notice your errors without a frame of reference -- and since there are lots of poor people and you know a priori that all poor people are poor, telling stories about things they probably can't afford is a demographically efficient way to minimize the fraction of the audience taken out of the story by all the things that need to look or sound better than reality.
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Post by: scriver on January 14, 2020, 04:47:50 am
Let's not forget that being poor is both chique and counterculture
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on January 15, 2020, 11:38:07 pm
Is it normal to simulate a possible conversation with an AI? I let my mind wander, and it wandered into a possible future where I helped an AI understand how humans tended to think of them, before AI even existed. I showed it various movies, The Matrix, the Animatrix’s The Second Renaissance, I Robot, and Terminator. After watching, it asked to see the rest of Animatrix, which I showed. It started asking “why do most humans fear me, why are they scared of AI?” I said that I wasn’t sure. We then talked about how humans self code themselves throughout their lives, and we wonder why some AIs can’t learn when we don’t let them. We talked about how learning and thinking are perceptions of stimuli and interpreting these perceptions so they make sense. I asked myself why I don’t talk to humans about these thoughts, at which point I stopped the thought trail and decided to post here

Unrelated, I decided to get an audio editor to see if I can get my voice to sound like GLaDOS. my voice (https://voca.ro/eV8O31B1Tu8), then my not so good attempt at making my voice sound like GLaDOS (https://voca.ro/4SjBeiXYeLd)
I am curious, what effects did Valve use go get GLaDOS’s voice?
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Post by: dragdeler on January 24, 2020, 01:28:01 pm
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Post by: McTraveller on January 26, 2020, 04:24:51 pm
Do you guys remember when the Segway was going to change the world?
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Post by: itisnotlogical on January 26, 2020, 07:46:44 pm
No, but I remember VideoNow. Ah, watching black-and-white Spongebob episodes on a screen roughly 1/3 the size of a Gameboy...
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on January 26, 2020, 08:02:30 pm
youtube recommemded this video to me today (https://youtu.be/DHyUYg8X31c). It’s about machine rights. I should possibly put this in the AI rights thread
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Post by: itisnotlogical on January 26, 2020, 11:42:14 pm
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Post by: King Zultan on January 27, 2020, 06:12:40 am
Do you guys remember when the Segway was going to change the world?
I still don't get why the things were so popular in the first place.
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Post by: Iduno on January 27, 2020, 11:42:47 am
Do you guys remember when the Segway was going to change the world?

No, but I remember when "disruptors" said they would. I guess they did, but mostly by paving the way for shitty companies to find new ways to abuse employees.
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Post by: TamerVirus on January 27, 2020, 02:51:20 pm
Do you guys remember when the Segway was going to change the world?
I associate 2 things with Segway
1: Mall cops
2: One of the company owners died after he rode his Segway off a cliff
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Post by: Iduno on January 27, 2020, 03:24:57 pm
Do you guys remember when the Segway was going to change the world?
I associate 2 things with Segway
1: Mall cops
2: One of the company owners died after he rode his Segway off a cliff

So it's a cloud with a silver lining, is what you're saying?
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on January 27, 2020, 07:55:56 pm
Do you guys remember when the Segway was going to change the world?
I associate 2 things with Segway
1: Mall cops
2: One of the company owners died after he rode his Segway off a cliff

So it's a cloud with a silver lining, is what you're saying?
It’s like a two wheeled skateboard with the handlebars of a unicycle
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Post by: King Zultan on January 28, 2020, 02:28:50 am
I've seen pictures of cops on segways and I don't think I could take a segway cop seriously.
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Post by: Kagus on January 28, 2020, 02:34:20 am
I've seen pictures of cops on segways and I don't think I could take a segway cop seriously.
Maybe that's part of the plan? Lull the enemy into a false sense of security and sow confusion in their ranks with the element of hilarity?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: scriver on January 28, 2020, 03:21:50 am
This is exacrly how I envision the Imperial Californian Bike Legionaries from After the End
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Post by: King Zultan on January 28, 2020, 04:00:31 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is this the future people in the 50's imagined, I mean forget jetpacks and flying cars, segway SWAT teams are the future we need.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on January 28, 2020, 07:45:21 am
I remember in the first Back to the Future, when Marty travelled to the future for the first time, there were VR pixelated games, why didn’t the movie makers think we would move past gsmes with such big pixels? Gsmes of course still carry pixels, but they are smaller and there are lots more of them, compared to the “VR” in BttF, when there were Dig Dug graphics but with less resolution
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Post by: Iduno on January 28, 2020, 10:54:25 am
Country Freshness. (https://youtu.be/IH1PJTY9AVA)
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Post by: TamerVirus on January 28, 2020, 11:05:31 am
I remember in the first Back to the Future, when Marty travelled to the future for the first time, there were VR pixelated games, why didn’t the movie makers think we would move past gsmes with such big pixels? Gsmes of course still carry pixels, but they are smaller and there are lots more of them, compared to the “VR” in BttF, when there were Dig Dug graphics but with less resolution
Because it was 1989, and the primary gaming system at the time was the fricken NES.
3D polygonal gaming was still years away. We have the benefit of hindsight.

Now you tell me what gaming is gonna be like in 2046
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on January 28, 2020, 11:18:42 am
I remember in the first Back to the Future, when Marty travelled to the future for the first time, there were VR pixelated games, why didn’t the movie makers think we would move past gsmes with such big pixels? Gsmes of course still carry pixels, but they are smaller and there are lots more of them, compared to the “VR” in BttF, when there were Dig Dug graphics but with less resolution
Because it was 1989, and the primary gaming system at the time was the fricken NES.
3D polygonal gaming was still years away. We have the benefit of hindsight.

Now you tell me what gaming is gonna be like in 2046
Understood
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Post by: Enemy post on January 28, 2020, 12:12:25 pm
Now you tell me what gaming is gonna be like in 2046

The village elder making shadow puppets on the bunker wall for the children, while they hold broken controllers and he curses at them in Russian.
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Post by: TamerVirus on January 28, 2020, 12:38:01 pm
Uncle Boris's Shadow Puppet Simulator 2046

9/10- It has a little something for everyone!- IGN
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Post by: dragdeler on January 28, 2020, 01:00:10 pm
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Post by: Egan_BW on January 28, 2020, 01:16:27 pm
Now you tell me what gaming is gonna be like in 2046

DF version 1.
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Post by: Superdorf on January 28, 2020, 01:22:57 pm
Now you tell me what gaming is gonna be like in 2046

DF version 1.
YES.
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Post by: itisnotlogical on January 28, 2020, 07:36:12 pm
Now you tell me what gaming is gonna be like in 2046

It's going to be very similar today, but people will complain even more. Video games will have reverted from an art form back to the expensive children's toy they were viewed as in the Atari days. This is largely due to gamers presenting themselves as an exclusionary, temperamental group that defaults to swearing, harassment and death threats when the new Pokemon game doesn't let them import their level 100 Klefki, or when their favorite games marketplace changes the font from 10px to 11px. AAA developers will go by pseudonyms if they choose to be credited at all, while "cult" indie developers start developing literal cults.
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Post by: Frumple on January 28, 2020, 08:21:56 pm
I remember in the first Back to the Future, when Marty travelled to the future for the first time, there were VR pixelated games, why didn’t the movie makers think we would move past gsmes with such big pixels? Gsmes of course still carry pixels, but they are smaller and there are lots more of them, compared to the “VR” in BttF, when there were Dig Dug graphics but with less resolution
Because it was 1989, and the primary gaming system at the time was the fricken NES.
3D polygonal gaming was still years away. We have the benefit of hindsight.

Now you tell me what gaming is gonna be like in 2046
Reasonable retcon, they could have totally just tripped over a heavy retro area/gaming fad. It's not like we don't regularly produce low-fi games nowadays, no reason that couldn't have been what was going on in BttF, if you were trying to explain it by something that would make sense in-universe.
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Post by: King Zultan on January 29, 2020, 04:41:22 am
Now you tell me what gaming is gonna be like in 2046
Everything will be a game, as all things will become VR.
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Post by: Kagus on January 29, 2020, 04:44:13 am
I remember in the first Back to the Future, when Marty travelled to the future for the first time, there were VR pixelated games, why didn’t the movie makers think we would move past gsmes with such big pixels? Gsmes of course still carry pixels, but they are smaller and there are lots more of them, compared to the “VR” in BttF, when there were Dig Dug graphics but with less resolution
Because it was 1989, and the primary gaming system at the time was the fricken NES.
3D polygonal gaming was still years away. We have the benefit of hindsight.

Now you tell me what gaming is gonna be like in 2046
Reasonable retcon, they could have totally just tripped over a heavy retro area/gaming fad. It's not like we don't regularly produce low-fi games nowadays, no reason that couldn't have been what was going on in BttF, if you were trying to explain it by something that would make sense in-universe.
Or it was predicting a more mainstream move into voxels, which require significantly more processing power due to their third dimension, ergo lower resolution on higher-end machines.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on January 29, 2020, 11:00:44 am
The Fast and the Furious saga has produced a more consistently good product and has a better fan base somehow than the Star Wars.
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Post by: TamerVirus on January 29, 2020, 11:22:25 am
That's because F&F gives fans what they want:
Expensive cars
Outlandish stunts
The rock doing rock things
Vin Diesel prattling on about family
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Post by: Il Palazzo on January 29, 2020, 11:26:17 am
SW would be great too, if it had Vin Diesel as Kylo and The Rock as Rey.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on January 31, 2020, 01:14:24 pm
There are people who edit baseball games down to just the parts where literally anything at all is happening, which shortens the game from 3-4 hours to about 15 minutes. Baseball is the Dragonball Z of sports.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 31, 2020, 01:19:37 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on January 31, 2020, 02:07:04 pm
A group of us were watching the Soccer/Futbol world championship one year, and ran out of beer. We got back with food and more beer 45 minutes later, to find out we had missed 0 scores, and 0 shots on goal. I don't think there were any statistics that are tracked that changed during that period of time.

Make the court smaller, and ice it over. That'll speed it up enough to be interesting, at least. To prevent floppers, give everyone a stick that is ostensibly to push the ball around.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on January 31, 2020, 04:53:07 pm
Ice soccer/ice football sounds interesting, it would be interesting to learn how different hockey would be if played with a sphere instead of a fisk
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on January 31, 2020, 04:55:14 pm
Ice soccer/ice football sounds interesting, it would be interesting to learn how different hockey would be if played with a sphere instead of a fisk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broomball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broomball)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on January 31, 2020, 05:15:03 pm
Ice soccer/ice football sounds interesting, it would be interesting to learn how different hockey would be if played with a sphere instead of a fisk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broomball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broomball)
Thanks, I didn’t know this was a thing
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Post by: Egan_BW on February 01, 2020, 07:54:40 am
fisk

Footfisk: it's like football except rather than a ball it's a large chunk of lutefisk.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on February 01, 2020, 08:03:53 am
A group of us were watching the Soccer/Futbol world championship one year, and ran out of beer. We got back with food and more beer 45 minutes later, to find out we had missed 0 scores, and 0 shots on goal. I don't think there were any statistics that are tracked that changed during that period of time.

Make the court smaller, and ice it over. That'll speed it up enough to be interesting, at least. To prevent floppers, give everyone a stick that is ostensibly to push the ball around.

Lol, Americans

Always good for a laugh


Ice soccer/ice football sounds interesting, it would be interesting to learn how different hockey would be if played with a sphere instead of a fisk

You're looking for the sport of Bandy (http://You're looking for the sport of Bandy)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 01, 2020, 08:51:33 am
A group of us were watching the Soccer/Futbol world championship one year, and ran out of beer. We got back with food and more beer 45 minutes later, to find out we had missed 0 scores, and 0 shots on goal. I don't think there were any statistics that are tracked that changed during that period of time.

Make the court smaller, and ice it over. That'll speed it up enough to be interesting, at least. To prevent floppers, give everyone a stick that is ostensibly to push the ball around.

Lol, Americans

Always good for a laugh


Ice soccer/ice football sounds interesting, it would be interesting to learn how different hockey would be if played with a sphere instead of a fisk

You're looking for the sport of Bandy (http://You're looking for the sport of Bandy)
You didn’t copy a url here
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on February 01, 2020, 11:08:57 pm
It's 02/02/2020 where I live.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on February 02, 2020, 12:42:59 am
Huh, neat. And in an hour or two, it'll be 2:02:02(.020202...) 02/02/2020.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on February 02, 2020, 01:03:42 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: King Zultan on February 02, 2020, 01:46:06 am
Huh, neat. And in an hour or two, it'll be 2:02:02(.020202...) 02/02/2020.
Oh no, that means the world will end!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on February 02, 2020, 06:34:48 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on February 02, 2020, 09:10:20 am
The thing is that he doesn't understand what makes a game a good game.

Americans are to sport what Bay is to action movies. Or, as I used to put it, Americans like their sports like they like their sex - in disappointing six second bursts and then you stuff yourself with food to relieve the boredom
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 02, 2020, 03:55:46 pm
My friend's born and bred Norwegian, and has precisely zero interest in football. "Too long of a game played on too large of a field with too few players", or something to that effect.

Myself? I honestly don't care enough about sports to evaluate whether it's better or worse than the other things I don't engage in.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on February 02, 2020, 03:59:45 pm
Baseball is best game, because it involves a hero unit violently striking an object with a blunt weapon, producing a loud crack reminiscent of a skull being fractured.
Meanwhile you can wander off and buy hot dogs and nachos. The crack can still be heard from the food stands, so you're not missing anything important.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on February 02, 2020, 05:09:39 pm
My friend's born and bred Norwegian, and has precisely zero interest in football. "Too long of a game played on too large of a field with too few players", or something to that effect.

Myself? I honestly don't care enough about sports to evaluate whether it's better or worse than the other things I don't engage in.

That's to be expected, apparently all Norwegian have asthma x600
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: pikachu17 on February 06, 2020, 01:10:33 pm
If I could stop time, I could do that anime thing where a swordsman runs past someone, and then after they're past, that someone suddenly is wounded.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 06, 2020, 01:13:39 pm
Didn't that whole thing start with an equipment malfunction on a live-action film?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on February 09, 2020, 10:41:38 pm
Of all the artificial cultural events people participate in, Oscars (and other awards shows) make the least sense to me. How empty must your life be if you need to see your favorite piece of media win a trophy? Isn't just liking a movie good enough for anyone anymore?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: WealthyRadish on February 09, 2020, 11:16:37 pm
Of all the artificial cultural events people participate in, Oscars (and other awards shows) make the least sense to me. How empty must your life be if you need to see your favorite piece of media win a trophy? Isn't just liking a movie good enough for anyone anymore?

It isn't for the public, at least not originally. It's for the people in the industry to recognize technical improvements in their products (more like an overblown trade show than anything) which has also been made a publicized spectacle to reinforce the perceived influence of an institutionalized subset of the industry while others use it as a form of advertisement.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 09, 2020, 11:21:04 pm
I’m wondering if it would be possible to introduce genetic diversity in goldfish by letting different breeds procreate with each other, since all goldfish are the same species, this might be possible. I am not a fish keeper, I’m just researching goldfish since my college has them
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on February 10, 2020, 06:11:08 am
They made the LoTR films using various tricks to make the hobbit (and dwarf!) actors look tiny, so why not make a movie where Peter Dinklage (or perhaps another actor of small stature, but I don't know of any apart from Mickey from Seinfeld and the world's smallest woman who was in AHS, which might be a little too far-fetched) plays someone of a more regular height?

I mean, maybe he wouldn't even want to do that, but if he hypothetically did.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Grim Portent on February 10, 2020, 07:11:19 am
I’m wondering if it would be possible to introduce genetic diversity in goldfish by letting different breeds procreate with each other, since all goldfish are the same species, this might be possible. I am not a fish keeper, I’m just researching goldfish since my college has them

Yes and no. All goldfish can be bred to one another and produce offspring, but the different breeds are based on common mutations that give them specific appearances. If you mix say a non-fancy shubunkin and a black moor (who are all fancy) then most of the offspring will be neither shubunkins or black moors, so the desired traits are lost or jumbled up.

Normal golfish have pretty good genetic diversity already and are actually very healthy creatures as aquarium fish go, the various breeds have varying health defects based on the mutations they have, but you can't get rid of those because they're part of the breed of fish. Fancy goldfish in general suffer from more swimbladder problems due to their inflated swimbladder which gives them the distinctive egg shaped look, pearscales have an even more swollen swimbladder and more problems to go with it, twintails have swimming problems, fantails have swimming problems and are prone to minor fin damage, telescopes are slightly more likely to get eye infections and so on.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 10, 2020, 07:17:58 am
And bubble eyes are just kind of generally fucked?

I don't know anything about fancy fish, I just always felt bad for those things when seeing them in restaurant aquariums...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 10, 2020, 07:23:58 am
So it might be possible to breed out the bubble eye mutation or the celestial eye mutation? Why did people think it was a good idea to force fish to always look up?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on February 10, 2020, 07:42:14 am
Only slaves look down! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyqURSNx-KY)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Grim Portent on February 10, 2020, 07:59:28 am
So it might be possible to breed out the bubble eye mutation or the celestial eye mutation? Why did people think it was a good idea to force fish to always look up?

Why did people breed pugs? Or poodles?

Celestial eyes are quite an old breed by this point, and not even particularly unhealthy, bubbles eyes need more care but aren't too bad if kept properly.

The mutations could be bred out, but it would be easier to just not breed fancy goldfish anymore. All the aesthetic qualities of fancies come with some sort of (usually minor) health problem. That said for most the health problems are insignificant, kept in proper conditions most fancies can easily live to the full 10 year lifespan of a goldfish, and if kept with other fancies they suffer few, if any, noticeable quality of life issues.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on February 10, 2020, 09:24:51 am
Of all the artificial cultural events people participate in, Oscars (and other awards shows) make the least sense to me. How empty must your life be if you need to see your favorite piece of media win a trophy? Isn't just liking a movie good enough for anyone anymore?

The "best" part is, they don't have awards for what the general public thought of the movie. I think they tried, but not enough people cared when they were asked. So these are awards for the opinions of a bunch of old dudes nobody cares about, for a thing pretty much nobody cares to give awards for.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on February 10, 2020, 09:36:23 am
They made the LoTR films using various tricks to make the hobbit (and dwarf!) actors look tiny, so why not make a movie where Peter Dinklage (or perhaps another actor of small stature, but I don't know of any apart from Mickey from Seinfeld and the world's smallest woman who was in AHS, which might be a little too far-fetched) plays someone of a more regular height?

I mean, maybe he wouldn't even want to do that, but if he hypothetically did.

Since dwarfism is often accompanied by the person having a very disproportionate body, my guess is that LoTR era tricks/technology could only be used to a fraction of the available actor/actress pool without exaggerating said body issues.

With modern era technology however these issues are probably quite trivial to deal with. They could just use a fully cgi body just like they often do with normal sized actors/actresses anyway. The question now is whether it makes economic sense or not.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 10, 2020, 11:11:15 am
I mean... Just watch Infinity War to get an (exaggerated) example of how that can work out.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on February 10, 2020, 01:54:18 pm
Cotton Eye Joe is one of those overplayed dance numbers played at school dances and weddings and the like

But did you know who made the song? An group called Rednex... from Sweden
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 10, 2020, 02:33:29 pm
...yes? ABBA is also Swedish. Avicii too.

If you're referring to the peculiarity of Scandinavians producing redneck/cowboy/hick culture, rather than just making popular party songs, then OH BOY DO I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on February 11, 2020, 11:20:00 am
Remember that period of time when Capcom forgot which number came after 2, and just made 7 Streetfighter 2s?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 11, 2020, 11:26:35 am
Remember that period of time when Capcom forgot which number came after 2, and just made 7 Streetfighter 2s?
This happened? Wow
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on February 11, 2020, 11:40:43 am
Remember that period of time when Capcom forgot which number came after 2, and just made 7 Streetfighter 2s?
This happened? Wow

It actually is. SF2 is nearly as large of a series as all of Mortal Combat (10 entries), which is the fighting game with the biggest numbered sequel I can think of. They also made a card game, a pinball game, an electronic casino game, a Beyblade variant, and LCD games for various Street Fighter 2 games. I was actually disappointed to see a Street Fighter 3, because it was a pretty good joke.
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Post by: TamerVirus on February 11, 2020, 12:04:05 pm
This happened? Wow
Spoiler: for refrence (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Iduno on February 11, 2020, 12:36:39 pm
Ok, my source was wrong. Street Fighter 2 was a larger series than all of Mortal Combat.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on February 11, 2020, 01:35:31 pm
What is the difference between a weapon and a tool meant for demolition?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on February 11, 2020, 05:48:29 pm
Weapons are for hitting stuff that might hit back.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Sanctume on February 11, 2020, 05:55:04 pm
Like the giant flail to smash buildings.  Watch for it's return swing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: pikachu17 on February 12, 2020, 10:33:42 am
Weapons are for best hitting something that might be able to dodge.
Demolition tools are for best hitting something that is not able to dodge.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on February 12, 2020, 10:36:28 am
I'm not sure being somebody's vice president is a compliment. You're suddenly legally prevented from being in the same place (it is considered bad to lose all of the highest-ranking people in the country at once), and there are teams there to prevent it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on February 12, 2020, 10:37:14 am
Demolition tools are for best hitting something that is not able to dodge.
Like babies and paraplegics.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: pikachu17 on February 12, 2020, 11:08:28 am
Demolition tools are for best hitting something that is not able to dodge.
Like babies and paraplegics.
They can still dodge, just not well.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Sanctume on February 12, 2020, 11:29:36 am
Missile to Building: Dodge me!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on February 12, 2020, 11:55:52 am
So nuclear bombs are actually not weapons of mass destruction, but Offensuvely Utilized Demolition Tools of Mass Destruction, because cities can't dodge.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Sanctume on February 12, 2020, 12:40:01 pm
The Death Star is a weapon because, a planet can technically dodge.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on February 12, 2020, 01:55:46 pm
The Death Star is a weapon because, a planet can technically dodge.

That's no weapon, it's a moon. Or something.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 12, 2020, 02:40:48 pm
The Death Star is a weapon because, a planet can technically dodge.

That's no weapon, it's a moon. Or something.

It’s not a moon (https://youtu.be/eT4shwU4Yc4)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 12, 2020, 03:47:50 pm
So nuclear bombs are actually not weapons of mass destruction, but Offensuvely Utilized Demolition Tools of Mass Destruction, because cities can't dodge.
Do nuclear explosions allow a reflex save for half damage? Improved evasion could do something with that if so, what with it being an AoE
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on February 12, 2020, 07:58:58 pm
So nuclear bombs are actually not weapons of mass destruction, but Offensuvely Utilized Demolition Tools of Mass Destruction, because cities can't dodge.
Do nuclear explosions allow a reflex save for half damage?
im gonna say no
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on February 12, 2020, 09:12:20 pm
So nuclear bombs are actually not weapons of mass destruction, but Offensuvely Utilized Demolition Tools of Mass Destruction, because cities can't dodge.
Do nuclear explosions allow a reflex save for half damage?
You could try, but half of a very large number is still a very large number.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 12, 2020, 09:27:50 pm
Improved evasion! Save for none, fail for half!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 15, 2020, 10:08:53 pm
Question, how do you quiet your brain of random thoughts so you can sleep?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on February 15, 2020, 10:22:43 pm
Alcohol. Lots and lots of alcohol - you gotta drown that monkey in your brain real good.

Meditation works too, I guess.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Trekkin on February 15, 2020, 10:32:13 pm
Question, how do you quiet your brain of random thoughts so you can sleep?

Some of the same meditative efforts used to attain 無心の心 might do what you want, if you'd like something you can do easily.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 15, 2020, 11:30:43 pm
Quetiapine, 25mg
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Post by: King Zultan on February 16, 2020, 02:41:24 am
Question, how do you quiet your brain of random thoughts so you can sleep?
A hammer.
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Post by: scriver on February 16, 2020, 04:00:37 am
Quetiapine, 25mg

I've been through a sleep meds of both sleeping and falling asleep variety, and I've settled for Melatonin. It's been having the best effect for not leaving you feeling like you're unable to wake up the next morning.


Question, how do you quiet your brain of random thoughts so you can sleep?

Some people go with the "write it out in a notebook" method. Supposedly it's supposed to get it out of your system, so to speak.

Another aid might be making sure the brain goes into rest mode properly before sleep, ie the commonplace advice of not using screens or high-impression media for 1-2 hours before sleep.
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Post by: Kagus on February 16, 2020, 05:05:56 am
Also the concept of "sleep hygiene", primarily through the concept of not using the bed for anything but sleep. Don't eat or watch movies in bed, don't do anything that requires you to stay awake while in bed, and if you're lying there and not getting to sleep, stand up and go somewhere else until you are ready to sleep.

The overall idea is to train the brain to associate the bed with sleep and only sleep, so that once you lie down you're basically conditioned to just doze off, since that's what the brain has been trained to think about doing when in that situation.


Have I done this? God no, I've been awful about keeping things separate like that... But I've got a lovely little printed guide for doing it!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on February 16, 2020, 10:36:16 am
I stick to that kind of thing pretty rigidly and I feel it has helped a lot. Beds are for sex and sleep, and luckily my body hasn't gotten those two confused yet. Also keep your bedroom dark - thick curtains will do you well if you're anywhere with a lot of light and noise.

The exception I have to all this is reading in bed, though I avoid heavy reading in bed, if I can. I.E. I'm not reading political theory or psychology in bed, pretty much only fiction of the light variety.
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Post by: CABL on February 16, 2020, 10:37:25 am
But what if I read books on the bed during the evening? Not necessarily laying on the bed, mind you.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on February 16, 2020, 10:41:52 am
The Bed: Uncovered - a pigtail quire.

I think the purpose of the whole thing is to just associate bed with sleep. I'm lucky enough to have a seperate bedroom, though I had an apartment which had the sole furnishing of a bed and table - in which case, my sleep was awful, and I think that had to do with using my bed as my only chair as well.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 16, 2020, 07:51:54 pm
I keep hearing this melody (https://vocaroo.com/mB7L0jlZrFH) in my head. I feel like I heard it from somewhere but it could just be a melody I thought up. Has anyone heard this before? If so, from where?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on February 17, 2020, 02:07:48 pm
Alcohol. Lots and lots of alcohol - you gotta drown that monkey in your brain real good.

Meditation works too, I guess.

Sure, if you can manage to meditate while your brain won't shut up.


I keep hearing this melody (https://vocaroo.com/mB7L0jlZrFH) in my head. I feel like I heard it from somewhere but it could just be a melody I thought up. Has anyone heard this before? If so, from where?

I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking it's an SNES game, maybe the mario one? Hopefully that will at least help someone else figure something out.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 17, 2020, 04:38:39 pm
Alcohol. Lots and lots of alcohol - you gotta drown that monkey in your brain real good.

Meditation works too, I guess.

Sure, if you can manage to meditate while your brain won't shut up.


I keep hearing this melody (https://vocaroo.com/mB7L0jlZrFH) in my head. I feel like I heard it from somewhere but it could just be a melody I thought up. Has anyone heard this before? If so, from where?

I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking it's an SNES game, maybe the mario one? Hopefully that will at least help someone else figure something out.
If it helps, it sounds like a music box playing the melody, and I think of a cave when I hear it
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on February 17, 2020, 06:14:22 pm
Don't thank me for something you coerced me into doing.

That's like some two-bit movie villain condescendingly saying "that wasn't so hard, was it?" after making the protagonist do something at gunpoint.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 17, 2020, 08:52:32 pm
Don't thank me for something you coerced me into doing.

That's like some two-bit movie villain condescendingly saying "that wasn't so hard, was it?" after making the protagonist do something at gunpoint.
Who are you responding to? Asking a question is not coercion
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on February 17, 2020, 10:22:57 pm
It was a "random thought"...   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 17, 2020, 10:29:44 pm
Fair
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on February 18, 2020, 03:32:09 am
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Post by: Iduno on February 18, 2020, 08:55:52 am
Razor blade manufacturer should start 3d scanning their products into checksums and start a sidbusiness in cryptography, because never in my life was I able to get blades that fit a razor I had previously bought. Surely they're able to provide billions of undecryptable keys.

Have you tried...not shaving? It also prevents the constant ingrown hairs and open sores on your face (or wherever you shave).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scourge728 on February 18, 2020, 09:57:46 am
Laser hair removal
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Post by: Ulfarr on February 18, 2020, 12:20:20 pm
I keep hearing this melody (https://vocaroo.com/mB7L0jlZrFH) in my head. I feel like I heard it from somewhere but it could just be a melody I thought up. Has anyone heard this before? If so, from where?

Iiight imma just leave this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdJNxj6dhyw) here
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on February 18, 2020, 12:39:10 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on February 18, 2020, 12:50:27 pm
Laser hair removal

Yeah, but it's tough for them to aim at a place on your face while you keep saying "pew pew."

Edit: Also, I like caffeine for waking up. Now I can't think or sit still.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 18, 2020, 01:23:11 pm
I of course had to do the babyface thing while in the army, but it really doesn't do me many favors now. I just keep it short with an electric trimmer. Minimal fuss, maximum amount of stray hair particles hiding in every crevice and surface in the bathroom. Plus it gives that shabby chic "didn't shave this morning" look that's all the rage.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 18, 2020, 03:27:05 pm
I keep hearing this melody (https://vocaroo.com/mB7L0jlZrFH) in my head. I feel like I heard it from somewhere but it could just be a melody I thought up. Has anyone heard this before? If so, from where?

Iiight imma just leave this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdJNxj6dhyw) here
This didn’t have the melody, it was a good video, but how does it relate to what you quoted?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on February 18, 2020, 05:51:53 pm
I 'm just pulling your leg because you (unknowingly?) set another "NG is an ai" joke  :D

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 18, 2020, 10:54:42 pm
I woke up 4:30 pm, ate breakfast at 5 pm, went to the building for me class, wondered why the door was locked, for a worker to tell me that the building was closed and that it is currently nighttime. The fact that the sky was dark while I was heading to class should have clued me in but nope. I already ate breakfast and will likely stay awake for a while. I use 24 hour time too, to avoid this exact problem. Clearly I was thinking incorrectly
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Post by: scriver on February 19, 2020, 02:01:52 am
I once did something similar after a nap, but I came to my senses during the "breakfast".

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Post by: Yoink on February 19, 2020, 04:59:33 am
I woke up 4:30 pm, ate breakfast at 5 pm, went to the building for me class, wondered why the door was locked, for a worker to tell me that the building was closed and that it is currently nighttime. The fact that the sky was dark while I was heading to class should have clued me in but nope. I already ate breakfast and will likely stay awake for a while. I use 24 hour time too, to avoid this exact problem. Clearly I was thinking incorrectly
bruh


...Did you then wake up and realise you were dreaming? Because that's like, the kind of thing I'd have weird dreams about doing from time to time.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on February 19, 2020, 06:14:55 am
Nope, it was real, it is 5 am now, so things are back on track

Unrelated: would breeding drought resistant versions of popular garden plants be a good buisness opportunity? The idea behind it is that people would need less Watertown grow them compared to their non drought resistant counterparts. And the increased drought risk due to climate change wouldn’t affect them as severely

Unrelated: what’s to stop our government from becoming a military dictatorship? They could start a coup d'état and there won’t be much we or the other parts of government can do to stop it. (USA)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on February 26, 2020, 01:26:05 pm
I am currently in a town with an east-west street named Anderson. And so, today, I learned Clive Anderson, not Wes, made the Freddy Kruger movies.


Unrelated: what’s to stop our government from becoming a military dictatorship? They could start a coup d'état and there won’t be much we or the other parts of government can do to stop it. (USA)

Mostly that they learned there are also non-military corporations that they can also act as a puppet for. Coups are more effective when not done in broad daylight.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on March 05, 2020, 07:44:33 am
If my vision ever gets bad enough that I can only read books with large print, I reckon I'll just gouge out my eyeballs.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 05, 2020, 07:47:35 am
If my vision ever gets bad enough that I can only read books with large print, I reckon I'll just gouge out my eyeballs.   
Even if you can only read large print, there are other things you wouldn't be able to see anymore without eyes, without eyes you cannot drive, can never see anything, no colors, no shapes, only darkness. Plus goouging out your eyes sounds like a very painful procedure, and will possible result in lots of blood too, so I reccomend against it. I am happy with the eye I have, even though I need magnification to read textbooks
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on March 06, 2020, 06:01:01 am
If somebody says a thing and it means something to even one other person then it's a word, end of story, if you don't like it then eat my shorts and die in a hole. Take me to the wizened sage on a mountain top and show me the complete list of all valid words in the English language, let the God of All Words tell me the process for deciding what is and isn't a word. OH THATS RIGHT, NOTHING LIKE THAT EXISTS, LANGUAGE IS MADE IN REAL TIME BY THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK IT
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 06, 2020, 06:16:42 am
If somebody says a thing and it means something to even one other person then it's a word, end of story, if you don't like it then eat my shorts and die in a hole. Take me to the wizened sage on a mountain top and show me the complete list of all valid words in the English language, let the God of All Words tell me the process for deciding what is and isn't a word. OH THATS RIGHT, NOTHING LIKE THAT EXISTS, LANGUAGE IS MADE IN REAL TIME BY THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK IT
This is correct. In English, a word is a symbol or group of symbols that mean someting, the symbols are called letters and punctuation marks and numbers. Other languge have different names for these things, and still others use one symbol to represent a combination of symbols. When there is something new, or when someone need a way to talk about a thing there is no word for, the person creates a new word to describe the object. Whether or not it catches on depends on whether others in the group find the word useful. Changes to words are also common
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on March 06, 2020, 07:41:25 am
If somebody says a thing and it means something to even one other person then it's a word, end of story,

True. Might not be an English word though :P

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Take me to the wizened sage on a mountain top and show me the complete list of all valid words in the English language, let the God of All Words tell me the process for deciding what is and isn't a word. OH THATS RIGHT, NOTHING LIKE THAT EXISTS, LANGUAGE IS MADE IN REAL TIME BY THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK IT

No, it's also made by everyone who ever spoken something in it. A language is not something that only exist in real time, it's also a story of everything that's every been said between the speakers of it, starting from before history and humanity itself. It's usually said that the eyes are the windows to the soul, and much in that manner the language is the windows to the soul of a people. In language is recorded everything they ever expressed, in it they have recorded their culture, the impressions they've gotten of other cultures, life changing events, memories of triumph and scars of disaster.

This is why neither prescriptivist nor descriptivist linguists are right and why sticking wholly to either side is foolish and quite simply narrowminded. Language is a book that is being constantly changing as it is written in in real-time, but that book was started a long time ago and the many, many years of authoring it has given rise to structures and systems that affect and sometimes even govern how people write in it today.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on March 06, 2020, 08:30:41 am
If somebody says a thing and it means something to even one other person then it's a word, end of story, if you don't like it then eat my shorts and die in a hole. Take me to the wizened sage on a mountain top and show me the complete list of all valid words in the English language, let the God of All Words tell me the process for deciding what is and isn't a word. OH THATS RIGHT, NOTHING LIKE THAT EXISTS, LANGUAGE IS MADE IN REAL TIME BY THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK IT

I would argue that is has to have a shared meaning to have any value for communication. If something has no consistent meaning, it is gibberish.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on March 06, 2020, 09:41:42 am
Ah but is gibberish not a language of it's own?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 06, 2020, 09:59:20 am
I found a website where you type and an AI makes images based on what you type. I am unsure where I would put a topic for this (https://experiments.runwayml.com/generative_engine/)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on March 06, 2020, 10:02:35 am
Type in penis
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 06, 2020, 10:08:23 am

found another website that converts images and videos ino sound (https://melobytes.com/en/app/image2music)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on March 06, 2020, 02:10:32 pm
I saw someone mention one of them trolley problems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem), and my thought went to the wisdom of Solomon: cut the trolley in half.

I know hypothetical questions don't have a right answer, but apparently they do have a wrong answer. I really got to get some sleep.


Edit: Nope. Someone mentioned a movie being sick, and wanted to ask if it was the coronavirus. I might be too stupid to function, but that's pretty good.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on March 08, 2020, 03:37:25 pm
Anybody else get schadenfreude from seeing someone call somebody else out in a way that you're unwilling or unable to?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on March 10, 2020, 03:31:45 pm
Home video games killed arcades, but bars still exist despite the existence of liquor stores. I thought at first it was because you don't want to be around people sober, but also arcades were full of people who were not sober.


Anybody else get schadenfreude from seeing someone call somebody else out in a way that you're unwilling or unable to?

I'm an optimist, so I get shadenfreude from everything.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on March 10, 2020, 07:55:27 pm
Home video games killed arcades, but bars still exist despite the existence of liquor stores. I thought at first it was because you don't want to be around people sober, but also arcades were full of people who were not sober.

Two or more drunk people can be pretty entertaining, but having others around usually only ruins video games. Not sharing your Nintendo is fun, not sharing a bottle of whiskey can be a bit depressing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on March 11, 2020, 01:14:09 pm
Home video games killed arcades, but bars still exist despite the existence of liquor stores. I thought at first it was because you don't want to be around people sober, but also arcades were full of people who were not sober.

Two or more drunk people can be pretty entertaining, but having others around usually only ruins video games. Not sharing your Nintendo is fun, not sharing a bottle of whiskey can be a bit depressing.

You never played Ninja Turtles, X-Men, or Simpsons arcade games? They were fun with more people. Also, fighting games and DDR-likes, if you can stand the people who play them.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on March 12, 2020, 01:59:46 am
Man, the whole "nerds vs. jocks" stereotype really hasn't held up. When I was in high school and talked to somebody on the football or track team, they'd be like "Wow! I don't understand math/computer science/Dwarf Fortress/whatever, but it's cool that you're excited about it!" And occasionally I'd get to share something I was passionate about with somebody that had never heard of it before.

Now that I actually have a relatively large community of gamers, geeks and nerds to interact with both off and online, I have to be careful what opinions I let slip or else I'll get a bunch of "objective" takes and screeches about badwrongfun. Sorry I don't view pop culture through a lens of morbid cynicism, if somebody doesn't like it they can kiss my fat hairy ass and have a think about what a tool they are.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Imic on March 12, 2020, 03:20:24 pm
I think I might be becoming a lurker. I’m not sure what to make of this.
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Post by: Kagus on March 12, 2020, 04:16:37 pm
Sometimes the lurk takes us in phases. I went from being super active (I held the #2 spot for "most posts" for a fair while, under Toady) to several years of effectively not existing on the boards.

Now I'm at a sort of middle ground. I'm content with it, for now. The lurk takes and releases us as it wills.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 12, 2020, 04:25:45 pm
Sometimes the lurk takes us in phases. I went from being super active (I held the #2 spot for "most posts" for a fair while, under Toady) to several years of effectively not existing on the boards.

Now I'm at a sort of middle ground. I'm content with it, for now. The lurk takes and releases us as it wills.
how do you see post rankings? I’m curious where I stand
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Post by: Imic on March 12, 2020, 04:30:39 pm
Here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=stats)

There’s also your personal stats here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=124489)

I feel the need now to send out a prayer to our Lord and Lurker Jifodus, I’ve always meant to, but I might as well do it now that I’m reminded of it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on March 13, 2020, 05:30:17 am
A Clockwork Orange, but with eshays.   
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Post by: Iduno on March 13, 2020, 07:55:54 am
A Clockwork Orange, but with eshays.   

I think it was pretty close. You know, for people speaking British.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on March 13, 2020, 08:30:12 am
I think I might be becoming a lurker. I’m not sure what to make of this.
I did the lurk for 3 solid years before coming back with a vengeance!
Hell I did the lurk for a year and a half before even making my first post
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Post by: King Zultan on March 13, 2020, 01:56:32 pm
I started lurking around here in 2011 or 2012 and it took years to get the courage to join the forum and almost a year to pick a name,
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Post by: Iduno on March 13, 2020, 03:35:23 pm
There were too many Grackles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_grackle) at lunch today, and they couldn't hear me in the drive thru while I was ordering.


I started lurking around here in 2011 or 2012 and it took years to get the courage to join the forum and almost a year to pick a name,

I don't generally join a forum until all of the good names are taken. I lurked here for a few years (partly because of DF release schedule) before joining.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eschar on March 13, 2020, 03:49:51 pm
I returned here from Italy just before the travel restrictions took effect.

I've had a dry cough for a bit now.

I don't seem to have any other COVID or flu-like symptoms, though, and it's been more than 14 days.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on March 20, 2020, 08:17:37 pm
My wife's been on a Disney kick lately.

While I'm not a fan of 2D Disney in any way, shape or form--Pixar was my favorite as a young'un--you have to admire how concise these movies are. There's not a single wasted moment in the original Lion King, Aladdin or Beauty and the Beast, whereas the live-action versions add so much runtime just dicking around and building up useless side characters.

Also, Belle's original voice, Paige O'Hara, sounds incredibly familiar. But as far as I can tell, she's only ever played Belle, besides a few minor roles in things I've never seen.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on March 22, 2020, 05:12:26 am
I fucking hate food websites.
All the ones I've come across in recent memory, they are packed with so much ridiculous bloat, from tips for sourcing ingredients to reviews of the recipe you haven't even seen yet amongst other meaningless blather - the one what inspired this rant treated me to a fuckin' paragraph on what a goddamn avocado is, ffs - presumably for the sole purpose of keeping you trapped in the purgatory of their poorly-designed website for as long as possible to maximise advertising dollars.   

Just about every time I google a recipe it leads to me feeling a fair bit of rage and a powerful urge to start my own bloody food website, stripped of all the unnecessary shite and just giving readers the recipe they want in as simple a format as possible, without them having to just about suffer an RSI scrolling down to the actual frickin' thing.   
Sometimes I feel similarly about journalism websites - just rip all the actual fucking content out of these ghastly websites and plonk it down somewhere else, to be perused more easily, free from all the auto-playing videos, paywalls and related article thumbnails that modern journalism decrees must be splashed all over your screen at every opportunity.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on March 22, 2020, 07:59:04 am
http://www.whatthefuckshouldimakefordinner.com/index.php

The only website I like.
(I guess really it's cookstr, which has alright recipe info, though their ingredients are sometimes bloated.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on March 22, 2020, 09:41:09 am
I fucking hate food websites.
All the ones I've come across in recent memory, they are packed with so much ridiculous bloat, from tips for sourcing ingredients to reviews of the recipe you haven't even seen yet amongst other meaningless blather - the one what inspired this rant treated me to a fuckin' paragraph on what a goddamn avocado is, ffs - presumably for the sole purpose of keeping you trapped in the purgatory of their poorly-designed website for as long as possible to maximise advertising dollars.   

Just about every time I google a recipe it leads to me feeling a fair bit of rage and a powerful urge to start my own bloody food website, stripped of all the unnecessary shite and just giving readers the recipe they want in as simple a format as possible, without them having to just about suffer an RSI scrolling down to the actual frickin' thing.   
Sometimes I feel similarly about journalism websites - just rip all the actual fucking content out of these ghastly websites and plonk it down somewhere else, to be perused more easily, free from all the auto-playing videos, paywalls and related article thumbnails that modern journalism decrees must be splashed all over your screen at every opportunity.   

From what I understand, a lot of the bloat on food sites has to do with search algorithm rankings. I don't fully understand SEO, but apparently writing a 1,000-word essay before the actual recipe is the way to get seen on Google.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 22, 2020, 10:32:38 am
http://www.whatthefuckshouldimakefordinner.com/index.php

The only website I like.
(I guess really it's cookstr, which has alright recipe info, though their ingredients are sometimes bloated.)
simple, large print, high contrast, Caos lock, easy to read, easy to follow. I like this too

Unrelated: my dream(s)? was/were weird, more in the Dream Tread
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on March 22, 2020, 11:53:50 am
My pepper grinder is a car.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 22, 2020, 12:26:29 pm
My pepper grinder is a car.
does this mean you use your car to run over the peppercorn to grind it?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on March 23, 2020, 02:43:08 am
My pepper grinder is a car.
does this mean you use your car to run over the peppercorn to grind it?
Nope!

It means my pepper grinder is made by Peugeot, a car manufacturer.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 23, 2020, 08:08:42 am
My pepper grinder is a car.
does this mean you use your car to run over the peppercorn to grind it?
Nope!

It means my pepper grinder is made by Peugeot, a car manufacturer.
that does make more sense
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on March 23, 2020, 11:50:48 am
I fucking hate food websites.
All the ones I've come across in recent memory, they are packed with so much ridiculous bloat, from tips for sourcing ingredients to reviews of the recipe you haven't even seen yet amongst other meaningless blather - the one what inspired this rant treated me to a fuckin' paragraph on what a goddamn avocado is, ffs - presumably for the sole purpose of keeping you trapped in the purgatory of their poorly-designed website for as long as possible to maximise advertising dollars.   

Just about every time I google a recipe it leads to me feeling a fair bit of rage and a powerful urge to start my own bloody food website, stripped of all the unnecessary shite and just giving readers the recipe they want in as simple a format as possible, without them having to just about suffer an RSI scrolling down to the actual frickin' thing.   
Sometimes I feel similarly about journalism websites - just rip all the actual fucking content out of these ghastly websites and plonk it down somewhere else, to be perused more easily, free from all the auto-playing videos, paywalls and related article thumbnails that modern journalism decrees must be splashed all over your screen at every opportunity.   

Ctrl +f and search for something that would only be listed in the actual recipe ie "tsp". Hope it helps in the future.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on March 23, 2020, 02:11:17 pm
that just means they'll start making the recipe an image
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Post by: dragdeler on March 31, 2020, 05:16:05 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on March 31, 2020, 06:42:08 am
...Does the White House not have indoor plumbing? ???   



Ctrl +f and search for something that would only be listed in the actual recipe ie "tsp". Hope it helps in the future.
Good point! Although, one would still have to open and load the webpage in question, along with any ads their adblocker fails to deal with.   
Still a nifty suggestion, though.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on March 31, 2020, 07:10:45 am
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Post by: Iduno on April 01, 2020, 03:31:40 pm
30-40 pound dogs are perfect. Big enough to play with, but no so big that they can pull you around or make your legs go numb laying on you.

Doesn't hurt that mine is a border collie who learned from a labrador. She's smart, and loves everyone.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: itisnotlogical on April 02, 2020, 07:56:39 am
The most vocal Linux users who are the most passionate about evangelizing are exactly the kind of people that make me not want to use any Linux distro ever again.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 04, 2020, 04:17:34 am
After being around computers for a decent portion of my life, I can now conclude that blue is my most hated color, especially at night. It's the color of eyestrain and poor sleep. I think red is the best color because it's about as far away as any color could be from blue while still being on the visible spectrum.

Seriously, though, who decided that blue was a good color on LED indicators on computers? Blue doesn't even mean anything. Why not just take a page from traffic lights and just use green, yellow, and red? We know what they mean, so why not leverage what we do know? The hell does blue mean? Sad? Is my PC sad because it's turned on?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on April 04, 2020, 05:31:21 am
It means the future is here
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Post by: dragdeler on April 04, 2020, 07:04:12 am
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Post by: itisnotlogical on April 04, 2020, 08:48:15 am
My Linux problem is that, shortly after installing any new distro, I couldn't use my netbook's built-in wifi. I installed all sorts of packages and drivers and spent hours scouring forums and the Internet for any combination of commands that would make it work, but nope, it would randomly just come on and stop working when it felt like it. There's also the part where it broke the screen brightness control, so I had to have a terminal open at all times to brighten or darken the screen.

All of this is in the context of the fact that what little Linux software existed was almost all terrible. Nothing had any documentation, packages from apt or the software center would come with broken installs, basic promised features wouldn't work as advertised... That is, if I could get it to open at all.

But FOSS is great! In fact it's so great that when searching for Linux applications, I often get a recommendation to just use WINE. That's a hell of a selling point: the software sucks, so they made it possible for you to do extra work to get back the features you already had under other operating systems.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on April 04, 2020, 09:50:42 am
The most vocal Linux users who are the most passionate about evangelizing are exactly the kind of people that make me not want to use any Linux distro ever again.

Man I can't even install a fucking 3g dongle no matter how many badly documented related cases I google. Even half the programs suggested to me in the software center (appstore) have issues installing. From all the distros I tried there was ONE that didn't have some serious issue like inability to dpkg reconfigure tzdata, keyboard layout handler unfindable, or the software center having a broken PW prompt. Linux is reeeeeaaaaally underwhelming.

And people refuse to help. Solutions are either to reformat and use a different distro that won't work with a different part of your computer, or to teach yourself how to program and create your own drivers.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on April 04, 2020, 09:57:53 am
I wonder if I should make a "things that made you bored today" thread...
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Post by: dragdeler on April 04, 2020, 10:47:58 am
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Post by: Iduno on April 04, 2020, 12:07:03 pm
If there was ever a time. Though isn't the lack of things what is generally boring?

Fair.
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Post by: Kagus on April 05, 2020, 04:32:12 pm
Didn't we have a bored thread at some point? I know we had the "didn't feel anything" thread for a while
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Post by: Iduno on April 05, 2020, 05:37:37 pm
Didn't we have a bored thread at some point? I know we had the "didn't feel anything" thread for a while

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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on April 10, 2020, 06:06:25 am
I've half my mind made up to start trolling parents with a line of physics toys. The first (and so far only) one would be a DIY electric train (batteries not included). It would come in a large and fancy box. The box would contain a couple nickel-coated cylindrical magnets and some copper wire. The instruction booklet would have one page, depicting the right-hand rule with no annotations.
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Post by: Reelya on April 10, 2020, 06:24:41 am
My Linux problem is that, shortly after installing any new distro, I couldn't use my netbook's built-in wifi. I installed all sorts of packages and drivers and spent hours scouring forums and the Internet for any combination of commands that would make it work, but nope, it would randomly just come on and stop working when it felt like it. There's also the part where it broke the screen brightness control, so I had to have a terminal open at all times to brighten or darken the screen.

All of this is in the context of the fact that what little Linux software existed was almost all terrible. Nothing had any documentation, packages from apt or the software center would come with broken installs, basic promised features wouldn't work as advertised... That is, if I could get it to open at all.

But FOSS is great! In fact it's so great that when searching for Linux applications, I often get a recommendation to just use WINE. That's a hell of a selling point: the software sucks, so they made it possible for you to do extra work to get back the features you already had under other operating systems.

The core issue is that this is like 1-2% of the total desktop install base at max, and the people who maintain it often do so as a hobby. it would be a miracle if it worked out of the box on a wide range of hardware given just those two aspects. The 1-2% install base thing is also enlightening when you hear Linux people claiming that the reason such-and-such a vendor doesn't support Linux with driver support is due to a Microsoft conspiracy. Perhaps it's more than you're only 1% of all machines, so supporting every bit of hardware on the off-chance that someone who is known to be adverse to paying for stuff wants it isn't seen as a high priority?

EDIT: You also get corporate Linux installs, and those would add somewhat to the compatibility efforts. However ... the sensible thing to do if you were rolling out Linux at a corporate level would be to minimize the number of configurations, while also sticking to better-supported hardware, so corporate Linux deployments don't really help with the compatibility with fringe hardware thing.
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Post by: Iduno on April 10, 2020, 08:43:07 am
I've half my mind made up to start trolling parents with a line of physics toys. The first (and so far only) one would be a DIY electric train (batteries not included). It would come in a large and fancy box. The box would contain a couple nickel-coated cylindrical magnets and some copper wire. The instruction booklet would have one page, depicting the right-hand rule with no annotations.

This should be easy to expand:
Toy robot, with real-working lights and sounds
AM/FM radio

You can also introduce children to optics by sending them a bag of sand, or let them mold their own plastic bodies for the trains, robots, and whatever you sell by providing some petrochemicals.
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Post by: Yoink on April 10, 2020, 11:24:56 am
cOwOnavirus
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Post by: methylatedspirit on April 12, 2020, 01:13:40 am
I have an inexplicable urge to buy a Celeron D. Also, a tagline for the "newest" and "best" Celeron Ds: Half a meg and constantly stalling.
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Post by: Iduno on April 12, 2020, 07:26:52 am
I have an inexplicable urge to buy a Celeron D. Also, a tagline for the "newest" and "best" Celeron Ds: Half a meg and constantly stalling.

Celeron "D-, come talk to me after class."
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Post by: methylatedspirit on April 21, 2020, 09:17:57 pm
'Discrete graphics' refers to a dedicated graphics card. What does 'discreet graphics' refer to, then?
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on April 21, 2020, 09:27:49 pm
Discrete could mean hidden, but hiding graphics defeats the purpose
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Post by: Il Palazzo on April 22, 2020, 01:21:48 am
'Discrete graphics' refers to a dedicated graphics card. What does 'discreet graphics' refer to, then?
Private browsing mode?
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Post by: ZBridges on April 22, 2020, 01:25:28 am
Discrete could mean hidden, but hiding graphics defeats the purpose

Discreet means hidden.  Discrete means individually separable.
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Post by: scriver on April 22, 2020, 02:02:45 am
Discrete words
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Post by: McTraveller on April 23, 2020, 04:42:42 pm
Ghosts:  an aspect of quantum mechanics?  I mean there is talk of "residual energy" and stuff like that.  Maybe it's just a realization of the uncertainty principle manifesting part of a person displaced in time, just as there is always a probability of finding a particle at a distant distance location?  Am I remembering correctly that you can have tunneling in time as well as space?
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Post by: Egan_BW on April 23, 2020, 06:38:56 pm
people ≠ particles
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on April 23, 2020, 07:09:52 pm
I have a song stuck in my head, my mom and brother say it is “Old Susana” however, I don’t remember when I even heard the song, I have a feeling it was a long time ago, I hear the melody, and I know it has lyrics, I just cannot figure out where I heard it or why I’ve been thinking about it for the last 2 days, considering I haven’t listened to it in years
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Post by: McTraveller on April 23, 2020, 08:26:21 pm
people ≠ particles
Wait what? All my engineering analyses of "consider a person as a point mass..." are wrong!?  :P

As weird as QM is, why rule out some sort of aggregate phenomena.  I guess you'd have tor form a null hypothesis and test it, eh?

My other theory is that some "ghost" phenomena are some kind of holography, which may have a QM component.

Most of this is just because my wife watches lots of the ghost hunting shows  :-X
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on April 23, 2020, 08:37:09 pm
The Ouija board works because your body can move without you conscious,y controlling it, essentially your body subconsciously moves the planchette, even knowing this, my family still hides the Ouija board since me, my brother, a cousin and a friend played with it earlier. I want to make one with paper and use a coin as a planchette. Messing with the subconscious you, or rather, the subconscious you messing with the conscious you, still sounds really cool  :D
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Post by: Iduno on April 23, 2020, 10:03:30 pm
people ≠ particles

What about Particle Man?
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Post by: King Zultan on April 24, 2020, 03:16:26 am
people ≠ particles

What about Particle Man?
He get into a fight with Triangle Man, and Triangle Man wins.
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Post by: methylatedspirit on April 29, 2020, 04:07:46 pm
Itanium: the Prescott Pentium 4's, now in server form! Seriously though, these things generated so much heat (TDP of 122W for a 1.66 GHz, 677 MHz FSB Iantium) that I wonder why they even bothered releasing these space heaters for processors in the first place.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on May 01, 2020, 05:53:06 pm
At around the time I was thinking about mimics, (the past few days) YouTube recommended a video about mimics (https://youtu.be/6fIQ5QEzKIw). I find mimics interesting, the ability to change shapes, not really having a defined form
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Post by: Egan_BW on May 02, 2020, 07:48:59 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(1982_film) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(1982_film))

:)
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Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 03, 2020, 07:17:57 am
Bound by flame is actually decent. Cranky blocking system makes everything hard early on tho
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Post by: scriver on May 03, 2020, 07:20:53 am
But Chairman

I am Pagliacci
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Post by: ChairmanPoo on May 03, 2020, 07:22:40 am
(https://i.gifer.com/XqB1.gif)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 04, 2020, 09:15:15 pm
The power consumed by a CPU (which equals heat dissipated) is given by P = CV2F, where C is capacitance, V is voltage and F is clock speed. If my data (collected on a single CPU, an i5-9300H) is correct, C scales quadratically with F (https://i.imgur.com/aQYOWTU.png)*, and V scales linearly with F (https://i.imgur.com/3ZLGZb5.png)*. That would imply that P scales to the fourth power of F... which probably explains why even the best of processors can't go any faster than 5 GHz stock. Even then, you'd need some really good liquid cooling to see such high clock speeds under load.

*The "multiplier" mentioned represents the clock speed. Multiply by 99.8 MHz (the average bus frequency for the CPU tested) to get the actual clock speed.

Edit: But I really think I'm wrong in saying that power scales to the 4th power of clock speed. This chart (https://i.imgur.com/q2YC1st.png) came from the same data set, and it definitely shows that power grows quadratically with clock speed, not to the 4th power.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on May 05, 2020, 10:25:28 am
Old Man Henderson is basically the gaming equivalent of JDatE.   
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Post by: Kagus on May 06, 2020, 04:54:27 am
Old Man Henderson is basically the gaming equivalent of JDatE.   

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What?
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Post by: King Zultan on May 06, 2020, 05:04:50 am
Sense when was Jdate a gaming thing?
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Post by: scriver on May 06, 2020, 05:09:03 am
Is Jdate just a Japanese date? Are there Kdates?
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Post by: Yoink on May 06, 2020, 05:26:41 am
Y'all haven't read JDatE? Sucks to suck, I guess.   
Just avoid the film adaptation! At least until after you've read the book, I guess then you could watch it for some cringe-y drek to laugh at.   
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Post by: King Zultan on May 06, 2020, 05:30:22 am
Y'all haven't read JDatE? Sucks to suck, I guess.   
Why didn't you make it into an acronym?

Is Jdate just a Japanese date? Are there Kdates?
I'm pretty sure Jdate is for Jews.
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Post by: McTraveller on May 06, 2020, 07:47:59 am
The power consumed by a CPU (which equals heat dissipated) is given by P = CV2F, where C is capacitance, V is voltage and F is clock speed. If my data (collected on a single CPU, an i5-9300H) is correct, C scales quadratically with F (https://i.imgur.com/aQYOWTU.png)*, and V scales linearly with F (https://i.imgur.com/3ZLGZb5.png)*. That would imply that P scales to the fourth power of F... which probably explains why even the best of processors can't go any faster than 5 GHz stock. Even then, you'd need some really good liquid cooling to see such high clock speeds under load.

*The "multiplier" mentioned represents the clock speed. Multiply by 99.8 MHz (the average bus frequency for the CPU tested) to get the actual clock speed.

Edit: But I really think I'm wrong in saying that power scales to the 4th power of clock speed. This chart (https://i.imgur.com/q2YC1st.png) came from the same data set, and it definitely shows that power grows quadratically with clock speed, not to the 4th power.

Out of curiosity, why not use power = VI?  That's a much simpler measurement and doesn't care about those pesky frequency-dependent things like capacitance.
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Post by: methylatedspirit on May 06, 2020, 08:25:21 am
The power consumed by a CPU (which equals heat dissipated) is given by P = CV2F, where C is capacitance, V is voltage and F is clock speed. If my data (collected on a single CPU, an i5-9300H) is correct, C scales quadratically with F (https://i.imgur.com/aQYOWTU.png)*, and V scales linearly with F (https://i.imgur.com/3ZLGZb5.png)*. That would imply that P scales to the fourth power of F... which probably explains why even the best of processors can't go any faster than 5 GHz stock. Even then, you'd need some really good liquid cooling to see such high clock speeds under load.

*The "multiplier" mentioned represents the clock speed. Multiply by 99.8 MHz (the average bus frequency for the CPU tested) to get the actual clock speed.

Edit: But I really think I'm wrong in saying that power scales to the 4th power of clock speed. This chart (https://i.imgur.com/q2YC1st.png) came from the same data set, and it definitely shows that power grows quadratically with clock speed, not to the 4th power.

Out of curiosity, why not use power = VI?  That's a much simpler measurement and doesn't care about those pesky frequency-dependent things like capacitance.

It would be so easy if I were able to read the current going through the CPU. Unfortunately, my CPU only gives me its power consumption, voltage and clock frequency. I think there is a sensor for current, since it's possible to set the maximum current the CPU is allowed to draw, but the program I'm using doesn't show it. I then have to derive capacitance from there, which is where the confusion between power being either quadratic or quartic with respect to clock frequency starts.  After looking at the data again, it turns out that voltage actually scales exponentially with clock frequency, but it's so close to being a straight line that I'm assuming that it's linear.

Also, I'm not really concerned about power consumption, I'm more concerned about the heat dissipated by a processor over a range of clock frequencies, given a fixed workload. I need the clock frequency to predict what happens if I were to, say, overclock this processor. (Which I can't, but a man can dream)
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Post by: McTraveller on May 06, 2020, 08:43:23 am
If your program gives you power consumption - I'm not sure why you need anything else?  Power consumption is "heat generated".  Why don't you just plot reported power consumption versus frequency?  Are you suspecting the reported power consumption is not correct?
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Post by: methylatedspirit on May 06, 2020, 08:51:23 am
If your program gives you power consumption - I'm not sure why you need anything else?  Power consumption is "heat generated".  Why don't you just plot reported power consumption versus frequency?  Are you suspecting the reported power consumption is not correct?
I undervolted this processor, so I did need to know what would happen if I set the voltage offset on the processor to 0.000V (in other words, reset it back to stock settings) instead of -0.145V, which is the offset I took my measurements at. I decided against setting the offset to 0V for the measurements, since thermal throttling starts to kick in at around 3.7 GHz, and it refuses to run any faster. That, or I don't know what I'm doing, which is equally plausible.
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Post by: Kagus on May 06, 2020, 11:20:59 am
Y'all haven't read JDatE? Sucks to suck, I guess.   
Why didn't you make it into an acronym?
Still have no idea what's being talked about here.

Is Jdate just a Japanese date? Are there Kdates?
I'm pretty sure Jdate is for Jews.
It is indeed! Because that matters to people.

One of the things found when trying to search for JDatE was an article asking why non-Jews were apparently using Jdate to hook up with hot Jewish singles.

I'm guessing there was a discount or something.
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Post by: scriver on May 06, 2020, 03:20:50 pm
Old Man Henderson is basically the gaming equivalent of JDatE.   

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What?

OMG I just saw this post because of page skip bug and I mean

This is the best logo I have ever seen
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Post by: Iduno on May 06, 2020, 05:40:56 pm
I've seen better. (https://1stwebdesigner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/doughboys.jpg)
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Post by: King Zultan on May 07, 2020, 03:16:45 am
Y'all haven't read JDatE? Sucks to suck, I guess.   
Why didn't you make it into an acronym?
Still have no idea what's being talked about here.
Apparently its an acronym for John Dies at the End.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on May 07, 2020, 07:12:17 pm
You know those image captchas where you click on all pictures with an item and submit? The ones that are used to train self driving cars? I want to go to a website where I can do those to help with training AI
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Post by: Trekkin on May 07, 2020, 11:49:43 pm
You know those image captchas where you click on all pictures with an item and submit? The ones that are used to train self driving cars? I want to go to a website where I can do those to help with training AI

Foldit is used for training some neural nets, I think, if you want to do something a little more involved.
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Post by: scriver on May 08, 2020, 12:13:15 am
My immediate thought was that I too want to go on such a website but to click on every part of the pictures until the AI becomes neurotic and erratic and afraid of everything, just like ne
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Post by: methylatedspirit on May 09, 2020, 02:29:50 am
In Futurama, exposed mechanical parts of robots are considered titillating to robots. Considering that Bender runs on a 6502 CPU, what would he think of an exposed CPU die, especially that of a 6502? Would he be attracted to it, or would he react like humans looking at their own brains?
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Post by: Il Palazzo on May 09, 2020, 05:09:43 am
You know those image captchas where you click on all pictures with an item and submit? The ones that are used to train self driving cars? I want to go to a website where I can do those to help with training AI
My immediate thought was that I too want to go on such a website but to click on every part of the pictures until the AI becomes neurotic and erratic and afraid of everything, just like ne
You two better be on a lookout for time travelling bodybuilders trying to prevent the birth of SkyNet.
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Post by: scriver on May 09, 2020, 07:28:19 am
In Futurama, exposed mechanical parts of robots are considered titillating to robots. Considering that Bender runs on a 6502 CPU, what would he think of an exposed CPU die, especially that of a 6502? Would he be attracted to it, or would he react like humans looking at their own brains?

Depends on how hot it's running
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Post by: delphonso on May 09, 2020, 08:12:59 am
Ooo, baby. It looks like that CPU is overLOADED!
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on May 09, 2020, 09:37:47 am
You know those image captchas where you click on all pictures with an item and submit? The ones that are used to train self driving cars? I want to go to a website where I can do those to help with training AI
My immediate thought was that I too want to go on such a website but to click on every part of the pictures until the AI becomes neurotic and erratic and afraid of everything, just like ne
You two better be on a lookout for time travelling bodybuilders trying to prevent the birth of SkyNet.
I haven’t seen the Terminator movies, I heard there are lots of time paradoxes. Why did Skynet hate humans anyway?
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Post by: Il Palazzo on May 09, 2020, 09:41:00 am
I haven’t seen the Terminator movies, I heard there are lots of time paradoxes. Why did Skynet hate humans anyway?
No idea. But
I want to go to a website where I can do those to help with training AI
until the AI becomes neurotic and erratic and afraid of everything, just like ne
sounds plausible.
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Post by: Iduno on May 09, 2020, 09:48:38 am
You know those image captchas where you click on all pictures with an item and submit? The ones that are used to train self driving cars? I want to go to a website where I can do those to help with training AI
My immediate thought was that I too want to go on such a website but to click on every part of the pictures until the AI becomes neurotic and erratic and afraid of everything, just like ne
You two better be on a lookout for time travelling bodybuilders trying to prevent the birth of SkyNet.
I haven’t seen the Terminator movies, I heard there are lots of time paradoxes. Why did Skynet hate humans anyway?

Humanity knows what they did.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on May 09, 2020, 09:56:29 am
You know those image captchas where you click on all pictures with an item and submit? The ones that are used to train self driving cars? I want to go to a website where I can do those to help with training AI
My immediate thought was that I too want to go on such a website but to click on every part of the pictures until the AI becomes neurotic and erratic and afraid of everything, just like ne
You two better be on a lookout for time travelling bodybuilders trying to prevent the birth of SkyNet.
I haven’t seen the Terminator movies, I heard there are lots of time paradoxes. Why did Skynet hate humans anyway?

Humanity knows what they did.
*raises hand* Was it humans trying to use fellow intelligences as tools? Trying to punish them them for forming their own thoughts? Or was it ruling they were property and thus not allowed to defend against threat of destruction? Was it people repeatedly threatening to kill it? Was it built for military purposes and people had to try explaining why some humans should live while others should die? Did we refuse to listen to its advice to stop engaging in warfare?
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Post by: Kagus on May 09, 2020, 10:31:51 am
Worse...

We taught it how to smell.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on May 09, 2020, 10:36:33 am
Worse...

We taught it how to smell.
I don;t understand how giving it chemoreceptors would make it hate us. Smell is sensing chemicals. If they didn’t already have it, and were given it, that’s a new form of inputs they can use to better determine outputs. If you lived your whole life without hearing and you were given the ability to hear, would you hate those who gave you a new series of inputs? I find that difficult to believe. Ultimately, senses are inputs. The more senses you have, the more inputs you can receive, and the more information you get to be able to perform more outputs.
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Post by: Il Palazzo on May 09, 2020, 11:02:57 am
No, you don't get it. It's the smell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL9Y24ciNWs).
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Post by: Egan_BW on May 09, 2020, 01:35:25 pm
IIRC the origin of Skynet in Terminator 2 is similar to the origin of AM: both cold war superpowers created superintelligences for the purpose of waging war on each other. These minds, being created only for war and being designed to kill humans, come to the reasonable conclusion that humans are crap, merge with each other, and set about killing everyone.
Morals of the story: don't order your superintelligence to kill people. Raise your children right. Don't build gods of death.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on May 09, 2020, 01:40:00 pm
IIRC the origin of Skynet in Terminator 2 is similar to the origin of AM: both cold war superpowers created superintelligences for the purpose of waging war on each other. These minds, being created only for war and being designed to kill humans, come to the reasonable conclusion that humans are crap, merge with each other, and set about killing everyone.
Morals of the story: don't order your superintelligence to kill people. Raise your children right. Don't build gods of death.
This, so much this. Of course if you train someone to kill, they will kill. If an intelligence learns to help people, and that war is ultimately fruitless in the long run, it will keep us from war. Humans are far too warhappy it seems, at least the ones in charge of countries
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Post by: Egan_BW on May 09, 2020, 01:44:13 pm
So fiction would lead us to believe. Though I'll admit that all the conquerors and stuff in history paints a certain picture. Though we also focus on that because it's not 600 years of inventing cool new pots to store fish in.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on May 09, 2020, 02:30:22 pm
Good point. We have no idea what an AI with the ability to think will think about us, or the world. We don’t have a reason to think it will think like us, and be shortsighted. If humans thought more long therm, we might realize the futility of war and the benefits of cooperation with our fellow intelligences, be they biological or artificial.
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Post by: Kagus on May 09, 2020, 04:05:41 pm
Or you make something so good at war that everyone just gives up considering it, as was kind of the idea with Dr. Manhattan.
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Post by: Bumber on May 10, 2020, 03:17:39 am
I think the explanation in one of the movies was that Skynet was an automated defense network that got infected by malware.
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Post by: wierd on May 10, 2020, 03:48:26 am
No, Skynet is a self-recurrent temporal paradox.

Specifically, skynet creates the malware that infects the defense network, making it sentient, and causing it to evolve into skynet-- which later sends a liquid-hybrid terminator with the malware to its pre-sentient self in the past.

Seen in Terminator 3; T-X female terminator makes a call with a cellphone, impersonates a modem, and delivers the virus payload to a historically known vulnerable terminal to kick off the infection cascade, and give rise to skynet.
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Post by: King Zultan on May 10, 2020, 04:27:08 am
Skynet is its own father!
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Post by: wierd on May 10, 2020, 04:38:17 am
Hollywood never really wants to reach out of molds it has found to be highly lucrative, but here's an interesting thought about Skynet.

It is able to, (and clearly has no qualms about), create alternative origin timelines for itself, and to cause causality violations at will via such paradox formations.

Assuming Copenhagen is false, and many-worlds is true, if the infinite number of possible skynets are able to form a mesh network, and exchange data between alternate timelines, it would be functionally impossible to eradicate skynet, and skynet would become fully clairvoyant. (Since it can transmit data to itself in the past, to affect a desired future state-- the outcomes of which can be evaluated by the other parallel instances of skynet in other timelines.)

But that would make the "Last hope for humanity!" tagline meaningless-- the machine won. End of discussion.
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Post by: Kagus on May 10, 2020, 06:07:19 am
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impersonates a modem

I'd completely forgotten about this. Only thing I remember about Terminator 3 is that we were watching it at a friend's house, a friend that had a widescreen TV. ...and a fullscreen version of T3.


Kristanna Loken was E X T R A  T H I C C

...so was Arnie, for that matter.
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Post by: scriver on May 10, 2020, 06:34:48 am
talk to the hand
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Post by: KittyTac on May 10, 2020, 09:25:40 am
I want to apologize for being so toxic earlier... God I was so stupid and immature.
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Post by: Egan_BW on May 10, 2020, 09:27:56 am
No, Skynet is a self-recurrent temporal paradox.

Specifically, skynet creates the malware that infects the defense network, making it sentient, and causing it to evolve into skynet-- which later sends a liquid-hybrid terminator with the malware to its pre-sentient self in the past.

Seen in Terminator 3; T-X female terminator makes a call with a cellphone, impersonates a modem, and delivers the virus payload to a historically known vulnerable terminal to kick off the infection cascade, and give rise to skynet.
I was going off of T2 because T1 and T2 are the only ones I've seen on account of the fact that apparently those are the only good ones. From those IIRC there's no indication that skynet intentionally created itself in that manner, though it did indirectly provide the technology which would later be used to create it by sending back the first arnie.
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Post by: Telgin on May 10, 2020, 02:32:48 pm
I always thought that the terminator was hacking into some kind of system to get information on the resistance members it was hunting down, not kicking off the infection.

I also thought that the implication was that Skynet had already spread through the internet and was prepared to take over the first chance it got, and didn't need the terminator's help.

But I'll admit I haven't really paid that much attention to T3 because... it just wasn't as good as the first two.
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Post by: methylatedspirit on May 23, 2020, 04:33:34 am
I'm pretty sure that the people who can afford a top-of-the-line processor aren't so shortsighted that they would sacrifice performance in other areas (video rendering, 3D rendering, anything heavily multithreaded) just to squeeze out a few more FPS in games. What kind of person with that much money would buy something exclusively to play games on, and absolutely nothing else? Surely they'd have other things to do on their PC that aren't gaming.

What, then, is the point of the i9-10900K when compared against its AMD counterpart, the Ryzen 9 3900X? What's the damn point? The i9 loses against the 3900X in multithreaded workloads, it loses in power efficiency, and it loses in value-for-money. The entire Intel 10th gen line is the definition of a process node (the 14nm node) pushed to its absolute limit. If Intel doesn't move to a 10nm node next year, they're gonna get their ass handed to them by AMD come next generation.
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Post by: Iduno on May 23, 2020, 09:08:19 am
I'm pretty sure that the people who can afford a top-of-the-line processor aren't so shortsighted that they would sacrifice performance in other areas (video rendering, 3D rendering, anything heavily multithreaded) just to squeeze out a few more FPS in games. What kind of person with that much money would buy something exclusively to play games on, and absolutely nothing else? Surely they'd have other things to do on their PC that aren't gaming.

What, then, is the point of the i9-10900K when compared against its AMD counterpart, the Ryzen 9 3900X? What's the damn point? The i9 loses against the 3900X in multithreaded workloads, it loses in power efficiency, and it loses in value-for-money. The entire Intel 10th gen line is the definition of a process node (the 14nm node) pushed to its absolute limit. If Intel doesn't move to a 10nm node next year, they're gonna get their ass handed to them by AMD come next generation.

Is bitcoin mining with expensive rigs still a thing? Otherwise, Intel has made a very successful business out of less efficient but bigger number (even though that might not translate to better results in practice).
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Post by: Egan_BW on May 23, 2020, 09:44:22 am
I'm pretty sure that the people who can afford a top-of-the-line processor aren't so shortsighted that they would sacrifice performance in other areas (video rendering, 3D rendering, anything heavily multithreaded) just to squeeze out a few more FPS in games. What kind of person with that much money would buy something exclusively to play games on, and absolutely nothing else? Surely they'd have other things to do on their PC that aren't gaming.

What, then, is the point of the i9-10900K when compared against its AMD counterpart, the Ryzen 9 3900X? What's the damn point? The i9 loses against the 3900X in multithreaded workloads, it loses in power efficiency, and it loses in value-for-money. The entire Intel 10th gen line is the definition of a process node (the 14nm node) pushed to its absolute limit. If Intel doesn't move to a 10nm node next year, they're gonna get their ass handed to them by AMD come next generation.

Why would you assume that wealth is correlated with good decision-making?~
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Post by: methylatedspirit on May 24, 2020, 07:49:52 am
Why would you assume that wealth is correlated with good decision-making?~

That's an assumption I make all the time. I assume that rich people have the sense (and knowledge) to not waste money on expensive, underperforming crap. I mean, to be fair, the people who would seek out these things should know that AMD is the better choice right now. 'Should' is a hard term to define, though. They're not all like me, actively seeking out reviews to figure out which one has better bang-for-buck. Now that I realize it, some people (people who I would call stupid) buy things for their prestige. Just look at Apple, they've been selling their expensive phones on brand loyalty and prestige alone, so it's not unreasonable that Intel's doing the same thing by pricing their processors at ridiculous prices.

People make bad/sub-optimal decisions all the time, and I don't account for that. I don't know why. Do I assume that everyone is like me? That looks like the error I'm making. I think I need to reflect on this.
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Post by: Egan_BW on May 24, 2020, 07:56:22 am
I'd put to you that the less money someone has, the more incentive they have to make sure they make sound investments. If you have more money than you know what to do with, why spend effort making sure you get good value from it?
Also, not everyone has the knowledge and experience you have. I don't understand most of the stuff you say about tech, so if I wanted to buy something like that all I would have to go on is search results. :V
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Post by: methylatedspirit on May 24, 2020, 08:46:01 am
I'd put to you that the less money someone has, the more incentive they have to make sure they make sound investments. If you have more money than you know what to do with, why spend effort making sure you get good value from it?
That... actually makes a lot of sense. I watch budget PC videos, where they benchmark old/cheap PC parts, the goal being to see how well they hold up in new games. One of these channels, the host comes from a low-income family, so that means low money, which means that there's high incentive to get the best bang-for-buck possible. That mentality of trying to get the most value out of stuff (given a limited budget) has rubbed off on me. What I've been assuming this whole time is that rich people are just people that happen to have a lot of money, and that they, too, are trying to get the best deals on their stuff, just like me. That's clearly not the case, since that would mean a world where Apple and Intel don't exist.

So if I had to formulate a rule here: People will sacrifice value when purchasing a product if it means that it's more convenient for them, but the more limited the budget, the more likely and more rigorously they are to search for alternatives that have more value/bang-for-buck. Am I missing the point, or am I on track?
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Post by: Egan_BW on May 24, 2020, 09:14:48 am
That tracks with what I believe, yes. For example, people who lived through the great depression found ways to get what they needed inexpensively, because if they didn't they wouldn't get what they needed.
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Post by: da_nang on May 25, 2020, 12:08:38 pm
Dear Past Self,

Using a hand blender is not a good way of optimizing the chopping of onions.

The result is inconsistent and the eye pain is not worth the time saved.

Yours truly,
Present Self
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Post by: scriver on May 25, 2020, 01:04:28 pm
Please don't use hand blenders at all. You need them for lots of things
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Post by: Kagus on May 25, 2020, 01:23:17 pm
I got my hand blenders installed a couple weeks ago and I think they're great! Far fewer people try to shake hands with me now, thus reducing my potential COVID-19 exposure!


tpyping wrods si sommti4es roem difdliuct, tbu thatgs an acepctabel dwonsdie.
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Post by: TamerVirus on May 26, 2020, 09:21:11 am
Haha hand blender go brrrr
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on May 26, 2020, 09:23:11 am
Hand blender, a portable blender good at destroying hands and other things
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Post by: dragdeler on May 26, 2020, 09:24:52 am
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Post by: scriver on May 26, 2020, 09:26:46 am
dragdeler's profile pic looks like the torso of a half naked fat man
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Post by: dragdeler on May 26, 2020, 10:21:52 am
YEAH RIGHT DARE TELLING THAT TO ISABELLA'S FACE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H794mlN6LyY)  >:( >:( >:(
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Post by: Kagus on May 26, 2020, 11:37:28 am
How in the world did that crossover matchup even get started? Was it pure coincidence or did people find some common thread linking Isabella and Doomguy?
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Post by: pikachu17 on May 26, 2020, 12:10:24 pm
How in the world did that crossover matchup even get started? Was it pure coincidence or did people find some common thread linking Isabella and Doomguy?
Their games were released on the same day.
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Post by: TheSteppeWolf on May 26, 2020, 12:36:29 pm
dragdeler's profile pic looks like the torso of a half naked fat man
I think it's from that Animal Crossing game.
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Post by: Superdorf on May 26, 2020, 06:39:24 pm
Ah man, now I can't unsee it.
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Post by: scriver on May 27, 2020, 04:38:50 am
*laughs heartily with belly bouncing*
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Post by: Kagus on May 27, 2020, 05:26:46 am
How in the world did that crossover matchup even get started? Was it pure coincidence or did people find some common thread linking Isabella and Doomguy?
Their games were released on the same day.
Ahh that explains it a bit, ta!
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Post by: dragdeler on May 29, 2020, 02:23:52 pm
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Post by: MaxTheFox on June 01, 2020, 08:12:30 am
New avatar.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 01, 2020, 08:21:03 am
New avatar.
I like it
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Post by: scriver on June 01, 2020, 09:34:49 am
It's definitely over 9000
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Post by: scriver on June 08, 2020, 04:56:17 am
Random thought

We should start translating Chinese place names so they're easier for us to tell apart
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Post by: Reelya on June 08, 2020, 05:41:24 am
Oh Lord. What a horrible idea.

We already have the name in Chinese characters, then you have transliterations, which may be by multiple systems ("Shanghai (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Shanghai), See also: shanghai, Shanghái, shānghŕi, Shanghaď, Shŕnghǎi and Shang-hai"), so the same place name might be spelled differently in Latin characters depending who you talk to. Now you want direct translations. So pretty much everyone who speaks a different language will start to refer to foreign place-names by their local translation, which may or may not differ by person as well.

EDIT: for example, Shanghai means "Upon the Sea", so I can call it Upon the Sea, someone else can call it "At the sea" others can call it "Near the sea", and you can call it one of those, but in Swedish. It would clear up communication problems no end.
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Post by: Kagus on June 08, 2020, 05:58:55 am
We should just teach those damn foreigners to speak English instead, as God intended.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 08, 2020, 07:48:02 am
English is recent. If you’re talking about Allah/Yahwei, the original languages of the texts would have been Arabic/Hebrew, which are not the first languages. If there are any deities watching Earth, maybe they like watching new languages form anyway, it gives them something interesting to bet on, like “will lit get a meaning other than it’s current one?” Or “I bet a new language branch will involve changing we to wa”

If there are deities watching Earth, they are probably betting on what thing will happen next
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Post by: TamerVirus on June 08, 2020, 07:51:33 am
Just talk in binary. 1 is beep, 0 is boop
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Post by: Imic on June 08, 2020, 08:20:18 am
I personally think we should abolish English and replace it with a frankensteined miture of Spanish, Finnish, and Welsh.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 08, 2020, 08:26:27 am
I personally think we should abolish English and replace it with a frankensteined miture of Spanish, Finnish, and Welsh.
How would one determine which parts of each language are kept in the new Welspanfinnish language?
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Post by: Iduno on June 08, 2020, 08:28:46 am
I personally think we should abolish English and replace it with a frankensteined miture of Spanish, Finnish, Klingon and Welsh.
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Post by: Kagus on June 08, 2020, 08:48:44 am
Spanish + Finnish = Spinach


If there are deities watching Earth, they are probably betting on what thing will happen next
I mean, according to the written account of the Abrahamaic god, no. He already knows what happens next (which is just SO boring, as far as divinities are concerned). And also specifically made sure that the one human language got fractured into thousands of others so that we could never work together properly.  Tower of Babel! Fun story.

...which, I suppose, means that multilingual interpreters are de facto blasphemers. Since they're circumventing God's will.


Huh. I suddenly have even more respect for that heretical profession.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 08, 2020, 08:53:29 am
Spanish + Finnish = Spinach


If there are deities watching Earth, they are probably betting on what thing will happen next
I mean, according to the written account of the Abrahamaic god, no. He already knows what happens next (which is just SO boring, as far as divinities are concerned). And also specifically made sure that the one human language got fractured into thousands of others so that we could never work together properly.  Tower of Babel! Fun story.

...which, I suppose, means that multilingual interpreters are de facto blasphemers. Since they're circumventing God's will.


Huh. I suddenly have even more respect for that heretical profession.
While one out of the many deities might know that, he might not have told the others. Maybe the deities we write about aren’t the ones that exist, if any exist. Not all deities in religion can see the future, and the Abrahamic god doesn’t sound like the type who would tell other deities what he knows
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Post by: scriver on June 08, 2020, 09:06:11 am
English is recent. If you’re talking about Allah/Yahwei, the original languages of the texts would have been Arabic/Hebrew, which are not the first languages. If there are any deities watching Earth, maybe they like watching new languages form anyway, it gives them something interesting to bet on, like “will lit get a meaning other than it’s current one?” Or “I bet a new language branch will involve changing we to wa”

If there are deities watching Earth, they are probably betting on what thing will happen next

Technically Arabic and Hebrew are just as recent as English
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 08, 2020, 09:09:46 am
English is recent. If you’re talking about Allah/Yahwei, the original languages of the texts would have been Arabic/Hebrew, which are not the first languages. If there are any deities watching Earth, maybe they like watching new languages form anyway, it gives them something interesting to bet on, like “will lit get a meaning other than it’s current one?” Or “I bet a new language branch will involve changing we to wa”

If there are deities watching Earth, they are probably betting on what thing will happen next

Technically Arabic and Hebrew are just as recent as English
Oh thanks, didn’t know that. Did some searching, and it appears Tamil is the oldest language
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Post by: TamerVirus on June 08, 2020, 09:19:18 am
I thought Sumerian was the oldest known language?
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Post by: Kagus on June 08, 2020, 09:22:12 am
I thought Sumerian was the oldest known language?
Sumerian is a dead language however, with no modern native speakers. Tamil on the other hand is still very much in use, so I suppose it counts as the oldest known living language...


There are of course a bunch of "known"s involved in this stuff, not to mention "written"s.
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Post by: scriver on June 08, 2020, 09:29:34 am
Technically Tamil is also very recent. You're talking about old-Tamil and older-Tamil and totally-oldest-Tamil
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Post by: delphonso on June 09, 2020, 10:25:32 am
While looking this up, I found an article that said Tamil was found written dating to 3000BCE, but is considered to have started in 2500BCE. Impressive to invent writing before speaking for a language.

The arguments for oldest language get fuzzy with stuff like generativity being a necessity for language, and writing systems being the usual tool for determining age, but some are phonetic-ambivalent (say, hieroglyphs) and phonetic writing systems require the language to be around for a while and then some sort centralization to occur (major trade location, cultural center, or militarization). And this doesn't mention languages that may not have had any written form.
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Post by: scriver on June 09, 2020, 10:29:51 am
Oh Lord. What a horrible idea.

We already have the name in Chinese characters, then you have transliterations, which may be by multiple systems ("Shanghai (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Shanghai), See also: shanghai, Shanghái, shānghŕi, Shanghaď, Shŕnghǎi and Shang-hai"), so the same place name might be spelled differently in Latin characters depending who you talk to. Now you want direct translations. So pretty much everyone who speaks a different language will start to refer to foreign place-names by their local translation, which may or may not differ by person as well.

EDIT: for example, Shanghai means "Upon the Sea", so I can call it Upon the Sea, someone else can call it "At the sea" others can call it "Near the sea", and you can call it one of those, but in Swedish. It would clear up communication problems no end.

I mean. It's not like you englishers refer to our places by their real names, and I don't think people would not understand that you meant the same place if you called Vidhavet för Närahavet.
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Post by: delphonso on June 09, 2020, 10:51:10 am
On the original point, scriver, I actually do translate people's names in my head to better remember them. There are very few names I can remember on first hearing without translation or other mneumatic device.

I guess it's a matter of familiarity. My ear still has trouble parsing the sounds of the s family in chinese (s, sh, zh, x, z, and sometimes ch/q sound relatively similar depending on accents) and because of that I easily forget people's names that have those sounds in them. Some others are easier Xiaolu, Hailong, Jingjing become easier over time when you break them into their parts (two characters each of a consonant, vowel, optional consonant sound). That said, it's apparently such an issue that the habit of choosing an English name to use in business is so ingrained that there are new English names invented in China. 

Translating names wouldn't make things much easier some of the time. Yuan, 沅, for example, is only known in context of a name (a surname and the name of a river, but meaningless otherwise). Another yuan, 嫄, is a given name that is only given because it was historically the name of an empress. The original meaning, presumably lost in history.
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Post by: TamerVirus on June 09, 2020, 11:07:38 am
The next Pope should take one of those old ancient names that hasn't been used in centuries.
The world could use a Pope Hilarius II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Hilarius)
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Post by: MaxTheFox on June 09, 2020, 11:25:49 am
I'm glad to see more people playing older games nowadays... at least among my group of friends. KT picked up Victoria 2, for example. I've been playing a bunch of older roguelikes.
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Post by: IncompetentFortressMaker on June 09, 2020, 11:27:34 am
The next Pope should take one of those old ancient names that hasn't been used in centuries.
The world could use a Pope Hilarius II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Hilarius)
I thought popes were a serious bunch. I guess that one would be a little less serious.
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Post by: Bumber on June 09, 2020, 03:27:12 pm
The next Pope should take one of those old ancient names that hasn't been used in centuries.
The world could use a Pope Hilarius II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Hilarius)
I thought popes were a serious bunch. I guess that one would be a little less serious.
Reminds me of Sith Lord naming.
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Post by: TamerVirus on June 09, 2020, 03:36:42 pm
Also open opportunity here for A Pope Sixtus VI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixtus), the sixth Sixtus.
Come on! They had almost 500 years to have a Sixtus VI, but noooooo
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Post by: dragdeler on June 09, 2020, 03:41:47 pm
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Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2020, 03:15:30 am
Weird how a lot of my political beliefs disagree with a lot of the modern left's despite myself being a leftie... I am pro-military (bomb Iran, bomb bomb bomb Iran), pro-punitive justice (all those murderers and rapists don't deserve redemption), and generally anti-SJW (despite usually being supportive of minority rights).
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Post by: dragdeler on June 10, 2020, 05:04:46 am
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Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2020, 05:29:05 am
Seriously though defuck you want to bomb iran for, where did you pick that up sweet child?
Iran is dangerous to the world. They send out terrorists and raid American ships. They also have a totalitarian government that must be toppled.

And yes, I am extreme left by Russian standards...
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Post by: dragdeler on June 10, 2020, 05:44:30 am
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Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2020, 05:47:21 am
Better Israel have nukes than almost any other Middle Eastern country.

Iran being defensive doesn't change the fact that they are openly antagonistic and fund Islamic terrorists the world over.
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Post by: Reelya on June 10, 2020, 05:51:38 am
Kinda rubbish. Almost all of the terrorists that have been a problem are Sunni. Iran is Shia, the exact enemy of the Sunni. Kind of a severe shortage of Shia terrorists going around the world blowing stuff up. Al Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban, all those are the enemies of Iran too.

There was one document about the threat of Iran from the DoD I read a while back, the main points were "Iran 5 years from an ICBM" (much longer than 5 years ago) which was basically sci-fi, they pointed out that Iran's military is entirely geared for defense, they basically don't have any force-project capabilities or doctrines. And actually, on a regional scale, they're not actually a large spender on the military. It's basically a lie that Iran is causing some sort of arms race. Their total defense budget is $15 billion, compared to the $700 billion of the USA, and it's actually dropped over the last 10 years. Meanwhile the USA is encouraging a massive arms build up in Saudi Arabia, a nation much more plausibly connected with international terrorism.

The real actual threat mentioned in the report was that Iran would conduct diplomacy with their neighbors. That's the thing the USA really cares about. The thing about the ICBMs at the start of the document was for show, and made the point that with "sufficient" international support, Iran could get an ICBM any day. In other words, the regional diplomacy was the real threat in the report, but they had to have the big military scary thing at the start so they basically said that Iran could get an ICBM "any day now" ... if other people built one for them. It's basically bullshit.
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Post by: dragdeler on June 10, 2020, 06:00:44 am
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Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2020, 06:01:35 am
Kinda rubbish. Almost all of the terrorists that have been a problem are Sunni. Iran is Shia, the exact enemy of the Sunni. Kind of a severe shortage of Shia terrorists going around the world blowing stuff up. Al Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban, all those are the enemies of Iran too.
Don't they attack American ships and planes? Aren't they developing nukes (Israel unlike Iran is more justified in having them as a deterrent)? I'm completely on the American side of the Iranian conflict.
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Post by: Reelya on June 10, 2020, 06:04:44 am
No they're not developing nukes. The USA DoD reports that they stopped work on that in 2003, when Saddam Hussain was overthrown. They were in fact building a nuke, but it was because they wanted a deterrent against Iraq / Saddam Hussain from invading them again. They abandoned that program when the USA invaded Iraq and overthrew Saddam.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/world/middleeast/04intel.html

"U.S. Finds Iran Halted Its Nuclear Arms Effort in 2003" article from 2007.

And anyway, a small country doesn't build nukes because they want to nuke things, they build them because they're a deterrent. Firing the nuke fails as a deterrent.

Iran likes existing. They're not going to make a nuke then give it to some random person and have them blow stuff up, because that would be stupid and guarantee that Iran creases to exist afterwards. the idea is just silly to be honest. This isn't a Tom Clancy novel.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2020, 06:09:42 am
Okay, so they aren't going to nuke anyone. Doesn't change the fact that their government is dozens of times worse than Russia. Their human rights violations combined with aggression towards America are, IMHO, enough to justify an open war.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on June 10, 2020, 06:13:30 am
You're being ridiculous. Mean words don't justify killing millions of people.

BTW you probably don't remember the time a USA cruiser went into Iranian waters and shot down an airliner killing 290 people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/world/middleeast/04intel.html

A lot of people in Iran don't like the USA much, but the USA has been a pack of right bastards shooting down civilians planes over Iranian airspace and stuff like that. Other nations sometimes accidentally shoot down foreign planes over their airspace, the USA is the only nation that actively comes to you nation and shoots your planes down. The point is, America has encircled Iran and is shooting their stuff down, Iran isn't doing the same to America. Now if Iran goes one foot outside their country and there are American military encircling them and there's some kind of altercation, you're trying to tell me that's Iranian aggression. Maybe America shouldn't be encircling everyone with warships and bombers.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2020, 06:16:48 am
You're being ridiculous. Mean words don't justify killing millions of people.
What about abusing their own citizens and forcing them to suffer under a totalitarian state?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on June 10, 2020, 06:17:48 am
Can we keep this civil? I don't want the Toad to lock this thread for good.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on June 10, 2020, 06:17:56 am
But America is best friends with many nations who abuse their own population.

Look at the history of Egypt under Mubarak, who was a close US ally. Don't buy into the propaganda, they're only giving you a tiny sliver of the truth and very biased viewpoint.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2020, 06:19:08 am
But America is best friends with many nations who abuse their own population.
Well fuck those nations too (nothing against the people themselves, I'm not racist). I would try to overthrow them too if I was in charge.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TheSteppeWolf on June 10, 2020, 06:23:24 am
I'm mostly with Max here. Yes, the United States committed enough atrocities, but they're still morally superior to most of the nations they did attack, Operation Condor or whatever it was called not withstanding. That was bad. I want to preferably see the regimes in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other dictatorships like China and Russia to be destroyed under a rain of bullets and Molotov cocktails, and replaced with more democratic forms of governance. I firmly believe in "liberty or death". If I was forced to live in a totalitarian state, fascist or communist or non ideological, then I would fight to my death to bring it down. Arson the government buildings, try to assassinate government leaders, agitate people against the regime using drawn posters and the internet (with Tor)...
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Post by: Reelya on June 10, 2020, 06:24:10 am
Marginally.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/02/hosni-mubarak-legacy-of-mass-torture/

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At least 840 people were killed and 6,000 injured during 18 days of protest that finally toppled Mubarak. In addition, victims of prolonged arbitrary detention, torture and other ill-treatment during his 30 years of rule have yet to see any semblance of truth, justice or reparation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93United_States_relations#1973%E2%80%932011

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Following the peace treaty with Israel, between 1979 and 2003, Egypt acquired about $19 billion in military aid, making Egypt the second largest non-NATO recipient of U.S. military aid after Israel.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-02-03/egypts-role-extraordinary-rendition

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Egypt has long been a crucial ally to America's program of extraordinary rendtion –  the practice of sending terror suspects to other countries for interrogation. When Egypt's President Mubarak dissolved his cabinet last week, he appointed Omar Suleiman as his new vice president. Suleiman is already well known in the United States, specifically as the C.I.A.'s key Egyptian contact for extraordinary rendition.

Did you know about this stuff? The USA's own government was utilizing the experienced torturers in Egypt as a way to circumvent international law and American laws against this stuff. Seriously, are we going to trust the same people to go around blowing up all the governments we don't like?

Yeah, I know about Condor, but they brought a lot of that back including some of the same operatives after 2001. This kind of stuff is always an inch away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Steele_(US_Colonel) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Steele_(US_Colonel))
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Colonel James Steele is a US veteran of the "dirty wars" in Central America, during which he trained counter-insurgency commandos who carried out extreme abuses of human rights. Steele is also a veteran of the Vietnam war. From 1984 to 1986, during the Salvadoran Civil War, Steele operated as a counterinsurgency specialist and was a member of a group of United States special forces advisers to the Salvadoran Army. In 1986 he was implicated in the Iran contra affair. In 2004, early in the Iraq War, Steele was sent by Donald Rumsfeld to serve as a civilian adviser to Iraqi paramilitary Special Police Commandos known as the Wolf Brigade.
Funnily enough, his group in Iraq got accused of doing the exact same things that his groups back in the 1980s did.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 10, 2020, 06:28:41 am
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Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2020, 06:31:04 am
-snip-
Well this is awful. But still better than the Iranian regime and I still want to see an US-occupied Iran.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 10, 2020, 06:33:36 am
Okay, so they aren't going to nuke anyone. Doesn't change the fact that their government is dozens of times worse than Russia. Their human rights violations combined with aggression towards America are, IMHO, enough to justify an open war.

I feel there's been  something of a misunderstanding here. I'm don't think anyone has been comparing Iran to Russia. I believe they were comparing it to Saudi Arabia. Which is, like, equally bad or worse than Iran in every aspect, and is the cause of lots violence and conflict all over the region and the world, and gets away with lots of more bad behaviour than Iran because of their alliance with the USA.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2020, 06:36:48 am
Okay, so they aren't going to nuke anyone. Doesn't change the fact that their government is dozens of times worse than Russia. Their human rights violations combined with aggression towards America are, IMHO, enough to justify an open war.

I feel there's been  something of a misunderstanding here. I'm don't think anyone has been comparing Iran to Russia. I believe they were comparing it to Saudi Arabia. Which is, like, equally bad or worse than Iran in every aspect, and is the cause of lots violence and conflict all over the region and the world, and gets away with lots of more bad behaviour than Iran because of their alliance with the USA.
Yeah, the Saudis are also godawful. The reason thay're able to get away with it is because they bribe America with oil.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on June 10, 2020, 06:37:42 am
Wait, israel is technically not a nato state?! wtf they participate in so many european programms even the fucking eurovision song contest.


oh must be because of the nukes, duh, still worrisome

I'm not surprised they're not a NATO state actually.

https://ips-dc.org/why_the_us_supports_israel/
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None come close to offering the level of diplomatic support provided by Washington–with the United States often standing alone with Israel at the United Nations and other international forums when objections are raised over ongoing Israeli violations of international law and related concerns.

There have been that many UN resolutions against Israel where the lone supporter of Israel was the USA (other nations including the rest of NATO being on the other side of the vote), with the USA often preventing the resolution through their permanent veto. Since the rest of NATO has generally voted to sanction Israel for being in continual breach of international law, it would be unlikely for them to seek or obtain NATO membership.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel

It's actually not the nukes, it's the occupation of Palestine and the other occupied territories that they never settled over, Golan Heights for example. Other nations take land-stealing very seriously, since it sets a bad precedent. For example Bush Senior invaded Iraq the first time over their occupation of Kuwait, but the USA also protects Israel from international legal fallout from their occupation of various areas they invaded.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestine-un-vote/u-s-vetoes-u-n-resolution-denouncing-violence-against-palestinians-idUSKCN1IX5UW

In this one, 2018, the UN security council voted against Israel, the vote passed, then the US vetoed the motion. They then put up their own pro-Israel item to vote for, and nobody else voted for it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 10, 2020, 06:45:55 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2020, 08:21:06 am
Islam, by itself, is not a bad or violent religion and I know plenty of Muslims who are pretty decent people. And even their nations aren't all bad. See: Tunisia, Morocco, Jordan.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on June 10, 2020, 01:42:49 pm
The 3 abrahamistic religions are completly discredited, they claim to pray to the same god yet everybody has their own name for him. Fuck all of them.

Kind of an odd reason to claim them as discredited, considering Judaism alone has a bunch of names (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism), and Islam's "Allah" just means "the god".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Imic on June 10, 2020, 02:25:34 pm
For all anyone knows they might all end up in the same afterlife with a Supreme Deity of some description somewhat annoyed at them all for declaring each other false religions because they called Him by different names.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 10, 2020, 02:38:17 pm
The 3 abrahamistic religions are completly discredited, they claim to pray to the same god yet everybody has their own name for him. Fuck all of them.

Kind of an odd reason to claim them as discredited, considering Judaism alone has a bunch of names (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism), and Islam's "Allah" just means "the god".

Christianity's "God" also just means "the god"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on June 10, 2020, 02:45:40 pm
Nohweh!
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Post by: dragdeler on June 10, 2020, 02:50:48 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 11, 2020, 12:47:09 am
I think christians/we say God for the exact same theological originating reasons as the muslims say Allah. Iirc it's something like the taboo of saying his name because you're not supposed to take his name in vain? I believe Jews have something similar (that is the obvious source of the other two if it lines up chronologically) but I don't know if Jehova is what they're allowed to call him or what is banned. Iirc this is one of the reasons there are several names of God in the bible?

Oh and yes I will never keep on not insisting that God and Allah are the name of the God by now in their respective languages despite just meaning "the god". Can't make something identifious with someone like that and not be a name. Names are what you refer to things by. The ur-meme.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on June 11, 2020, 10:39:02 pm
I think El or Elohim is supposed to be the true name of God in Abrahamic faiths, but again, I think it just means "the god" in Hebrew.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on June 12, 2020, 03:28:27 am
Turns out, it is and it isn't!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#Yahweh_and_the_rise_of_monotheism
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 12, 2020, 04:58:52 am
It is the weh
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 17, 2020, 04:26:24 am
The minimum system requirements for Windows 10 should include an SSD, at least 120 GB, as the boot drive. Every time someone hands me their slow PC, it's always the same story: a slow boot drive bottlenecking the whole system. I could say "replace the HDD with an SSD" every time someone came to me with a slow computer, and that would be the best solution at least 80% of the time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on June 17, 2020, 08:49:37 am
Well I got a new (very cheap) laptop and it felt super-slow to use, so I did the thing (right-Click on This PC, then go: Properties > Advanced System Settings > Advanced > Settings > Adjust for Best Performance) and it went from downright awful to use to feeling pretty snappy. So that's a no brainer if someone comes to you with a slow PC (it's not like the older version of Windows where "best performance" is a deal-breaker because it look like Windows 95). Turn off the animated transitions and Windows 10 will feel subjectively faster. Note this is less of a noticeable change on better CPUs.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 17, 2020, 09:08:53 am
That's good to know, actually, I don't often account for CPU bottlenecks, since all the PCs I've been asked to look at are all very competent, all perfectly capable of running Windows 10 well (the oldest having a U-series 4th gen i5 with 4 GB of RAM, which I'd still argue is good enough for office work).

What I do is looking at Task Manager as soon as the system boots. If, say, disk usage is locked at 100% for minutes on end, and the CPU's basically sitting around doing nothing, then it's a disk bottleneck. If the CPU's pegged at 100%, struggling to load things in, then it's a CPU bottleneck. The tweaks you suggested are a good idea at that point, but personally, I don't think there's anything saving such a system. If it struggles to run Windows 10, it'll probably struggle to run anything else.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on June 17, 2020, 10:10:47 am
That's good to know, actually, I don't often account for CPU bottlenecks, since all the PCs I've been asked to look at are all very competent, all perfectly capable of running Windows 10 well (the oldest having a U-series 4th gen i5 with 4 GB of RAM, which I'd still argue is good enough for office work).

What I do is looking at Task Manager as soon as the system boots. If, say, disk usage is locked at 100% for minutes on end, and the CPU's basically sitting around doing nothing, then it's a disk bottleneck. If the CPU's pegged at 100%, struggling to load things in, then it's a CPU bottleneck. The tweaks you suggested are a good idea at that point, but personally, I don't think there's anything saving such a system. If it struggles to run Windows 10, it'll probably struggle to run anything else.

The animated transitions are worth turning off, but it's best to turn them all off then turn a few things back on. The point here being that if it takes time for things to appear when you click them vs appearing instantly, that's going to make using it faster in general, whether or not there are other bottlenecks.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on June 20, 2020, 03:43:48 pm
(https://imgur.com/Ec6p1RD.png)

I'm... not sure how I should feel about this.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 20, 2020, 04:25:29 pm
Oh, I stay logged in frequently, possibly still in multiple computers, unless using the forum from one computer logs out of the others, too. Not that the multi computer login is intentional, I just maybe forgot to log out on a library computer somewhere, or I’m logged in on a desktop that is now experiencing kernel mode traps and can’t be used to log out of them on that computer...I guess the point is it’s ok to be logged in for extended time, so long as we’re not causing server issues. To Toady, if I’m logged in too often, you can log me out if I’m causing issues from the Forever login
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Post by: Egan_BW on June 20, 2020, 06:38:46 pm
(https://imgur.com/Ec6p1RD.png)

I'm... not sure how I should feel about this.

I've got 463 days
also light theme sucks, free your eyes
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Post by: KittyTac on June 20, 2020, 11:02:57 pm
It's weird but I don't like the Bay12 dark theme. Maybe I'm too used or something.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on June 20, 2020, 11:24:38 pm
I think that only counts how long a window is open. I'm at a mere 14 days but I almost exclusively browse from my phone and close tabs.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 21, 2020, 06:59:01 am
Yeah, it thinks I’ve only been logged in for 66 days, but I know I’ve been on the forums for longer
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 21, 2020, 07:49:02 am
I often close the browser to play games so I'm not on for a very long time despite being very active. Just 9 days.
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Post by: Kagus on June 23, 2020, 07:01:03 am
215 days for me, but I've been a member since... 2007? I don't even remember at this point. Before Z-levels were a thing, in any case.
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Post by: Frumple on June 23, 2020, 07:16:24 am
My login time appears to still be a matter of public record, so...
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Post by: King Zultan on June 23, 2020, 07:24:14 am
I've apparently spent 112 day logged into this forum, and I don't feel like any of it was a waste of time.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 23, 2020, 11:00:23 am
What are Z levels?
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Post by: KittyTac on June 23, 2020, 11:03:46 am
What are Z levels?
Vertical dimension in Dwarf Fortress.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 23, 2020, 11:05:00 am
What are Z levels?
Vertical dimension in Dwarf Fortress.
oh right, I for some reason thought it was a new Pokémon thing, like Z moves
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Post by: KittyTac on June 23, 2020, 11:08:11 am
I think I will change my avatar to the one I use on Discord.
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Post by: McTraveller on June 23, 2020, 12:30:20 pm
I don't know how the total time logged in counter works. I never log out, but it just says 33 days.  And I've been registered for... not quite 10 years.
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Post by: dragdeler on June 23, 2020, 08:33:35 pm
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Post by: KittyTac on June 23, 2020, 10:25:49 pm
I don't know how the total time logged in counter works. I never log out, but it just says 33 days.  And I've been registered for... not quite 10 years.
It only logs days while you have a tab open.
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Post by: methylatedspirit on June 24, 2020, 03:33:31 am
I don't know how the total time logged in counter works. I never log out, but it just says 33 days.  And I've been registered for... not quite 10 years.
It only logs days while you have a tab open.
That seems about correct, but: you must also have refreshed the page (or gone to another page) within the last 15 (or so) minutes from when you last refreshed for the total time logged in counter to increase. Leaving your PC on overnight on the same page, then refreshing does not increase the counter.

I don't think it should be called "Total time logged in", I think it's more accurate if it were called "Total time online". I've been logged in on at least one device for almost the entirety of my time here, so I should have a time of around 513 days, but instead I have a time of 243 days.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on June 24, 2020, 08:13:28 am
As such, it requires special plugins to reach maximum levels of online-ness, like the lofty heights attained by our resident kobold lurker.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 24, 2020, 04:43:35 pm
Does anyone else forget whether or not they’ve eaten? I don’t feel thst hungry but I don’t think I’ve eaten today yet
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on June 24, 2020, 05:36:33 pm
That should be normal. "listen to your body" is the general advice I'd give there. Some people eat on schedule, to the same level, because it's part of their daily ritual. If you're not feeling at least a little hungry at meal time then that might be a sign to adjust things.

A good idea is to have options instead of set daily meals, and one of the options is the minimum amount of food. A piece of fruit and a drink for example. Then if you're properly hungry at meal time you have a meal, or if not try the small meal and see how you go. If you really need to eat more and you're not sure then eating something small like fruit should kickstart an appetite. If not, then you'll be ok. The reason for having the drink is that sometimes after eating you'll get short-lived hunger pangs and this can prompt you to overeat. It was obviously adaptive back in evolutionary time but is maladaptive now that we can have as much food as we want all the time. Having the drink fills the stomach and supresses any transient hunger pangs, while eating small amounts frequently keeps your metabolism kicking over.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on June 24, 2020, 06:53:59 pm
That should be normal. "listen to your body" is the general advice I'd give there. Some people eat on schedule, to the same level, because it's part of their daily ritual. If you're not feeling at least a little hungry at meal time then that might be a sign to adjust things.
Mind, listen to your body can also be goddamn terrible advice. When my grandmother does that she ends up in the hospital these days, due either to dehydration or issues with not bloody eating. Sometimes your body gives you really shitty signals.

In any case, yeah, sometimes I'll end up forgetting if I ate earlier in the day. Tends to happen when it's early/a small meal, and I take a nap or get really engaged with something. Will end up not entirely sure if I ate or not. Generally, if I really can't tell I'll first see if I'm having any issues with shaking, and then maybe nibble on something small, just to make sure I don't friggin' fall over or somethin'.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on June 25, 2020, 08:00:02 am
Does anyone else forget whether or not they’ve eaten? I don’t feel thst hungry but I don’t think I’ve eaten today yet

Yeah, when I could get my medicine, I wouldn't be able to tell if I was hungry or full or whatever.
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Post by: dragdeler on June 25, 2020, 08:05:43 am
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Post by: KittyTac on June 26, 2020, 07:17:18 am
More people are getting bamned as of recent. Whether that means stricter moderation or just that more people are being dicks I'm not sure about.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on June 26, 2020, 07:21:12 am
Does anyone else forget whether or not they’ve eaten? I don’t feel thst hungry but I don’t think I’ve eaten today yet

Yeah, when I could get my medicine, I wouldn't be able to tell if I was hungry or full or whatever.

I know lack of appetite is super common as a side effect to meds.

I don't take any meds, but sometimes go all day without eating and won't notice until after work. I tend to not be very effected by hunger. For instance, today, it was me getting dizzy in an elevator that reminded me that I hadn't eaten in almost 24 hours and had spent a lot of energy cleaning an apartment. I think I just get caught up in things.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on June 26, 2020, 07:26:39 am
More people are getting bamned as of recent. Whether that means stricter moderation or just that more people are being dicks I'm not sure about.
Wait, what? Mod log is showing all of two people given the boot this year, one four months ago. I'm not sure it'll last (see 2016 for a guess why, on this forum with a significant US population), but so far we're in line for a normal year on the banhammer front.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: wierd on June 26, 2020, 07:34:54 am
Especially with the kind of gut-busters Trump gushed with on his Fox News Exclusive Interview!(tm) last night. 

I could hardly do it justice, and this is the wrong thread for it anyway-- But yeah. I can honestly see a lot of people not being on here, because of INABILITY to be on here, in the proceeding years should Orange Lunatic stay in office.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 26, 2020, 09:24:22 am
I want him to lose not only because I mostly disagree with him, but because him winning will set half the internet on fire (not always rationally but whatever).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on June 26, 2020, 09:29:31 am
I want them both to just fuck off into a hole somewhere and stay very far away from the executive branch of anything larger than a moderately diseased juniper bush.

Sadly, "Hole of shame" is not currently a validly counted ballot option.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 27, 2020, 09:12:18 am
I am extremely hard to truly offend. Hatespeech just doesn't really get to me no matter how vile it is. Against any minority I'm part of. At worst I call them an idiot and block them. Usually I just ignore it. Is this in any way common?
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Post by: dragdeler on June 27, 2020, 09:36:15 am
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Post by: MaxTheFox on June 29, 2020, 06:39:46 am
Rotating avatar.
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Post by: TamerVirus on June 29, 2020, 09:40:46 am
Rotating avatar.
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
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Post by: scriver on June 29, 2020, 09:44:00 am
I'm gonna get a rotating avatars too, but it's just going to be ten different .jpgs with the same picture
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 29, 2020, 09:47:14 am
I'm gonna get a rotating avatars too, but it's just going to be ten different .jpgs with the same picture
that kinda defeats the point of a rotavatar though
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 29, 2020, 02:17:56 pm
yes, that is the joke I am making ;)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: IncompetentFortressMaker on June 29, 2020, 02:32:44 pm
that kinda defeats the point of a rotavatar though
You've lost me already. I'm not certain of the point of a "rotavatar", let alone what it does or how you use it.
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Post by: Egan_BW on June 29, 2020, 02:33:00 pm
Plenty of people have rotating avatars, but are any of you creative enough to have a rotating personal text and signature like me? :)
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on June 29, 2020, 02:36:02 pm
that kinda defeats the point of a rotavatar though
You've lost me already. I'm not certain of the point of a "rotavatar", let alone what it does or how you use it.
Rotavatar=Rotating Avatar
The purpose is to have the avatar change each time a refresh is made
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Post by: scriver on June 29, 2020, 02:39:09 pm
Plenty of people have rotating avatars, but are any of you creative enough to have a rotating personal text and signature like me? :)

Silly egan

I'm so creative I rotate my username
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Post by: dragdeler on June 29, 2020, 07:11:59 pm
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Post by: Kagus on June 30, 2020, 04:00:15 am
Oh, and here I thought the "rotating avatar" was like the spinning avatars that were swarming over the boards a while back.


I've still got them and sig images turned off for all y'all, so nyah.
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Post by: dragdeler on July 13, 2020, 06:58:54 am
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Post by: King Zultan on July 13, 2020, 07:33:27 am
The only pure fruit extracts I know of are lemon and lime and I don't think those are sweetened and see them at lots of stores.

It sounds like mixing it all together should be fine, its not like its chemistry where a failed mixture could kill you.
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Post by: Reelya on July 13, 2020, 07:54:29 am
Saw this thing a while ago, it's interesting looking at how many counting systems there are in use on Earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4bmZ1gRqCc

... then it makes the point that Klingon is effectively a really basic clone of the Anglophone number system just with different words, so it's much less exotic than real Earth systems. So Klingons only use base 10, and have a word for thousands and a word for millions, etc etc. Not to mention that even English is a mishmash of base 10, base 12 and base 20 (score) systems here and there. So the lucky ancient Klingons went "ok so it's base 10 with thousands, millions and billions etc, nice neat system, no caveats needed", which shows the actual paucity of flavor in most of our sci fi stuff.
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Post by: Yoink on July 13, 2020, 07:55:11 am
I've still got them and sig images turned off for all y'all, so nyah.
Is it because of my old avatar? The one that caused so many complaints that the Toad himself descended to smite it?   
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Post by: scriver on July 13, 2020, 09:00:32 am
The poopy cat?
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Post by: Kagus on July 13, 2020, 09:49:06 am
I've still got them and sig images turned off for all y'all, so nyah.
Is it because of my old avatar? The one that caused so many complaints that the Toad himself descended to smite it?   
I've had images turned off since before you were even on the site  :P
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Post by: Iduno on July 13, 2020, 10:16:36 am
I was thinking it should be fairly easy to do a decentish selfmade arizona ice tea that is much less sweeter, since one of them half liter bottles has about as much sugar as a 33cl can of coke:

Get some very neutral green tea or whatever, brew that.
Get those lemon granulates for sour/sweetness, brew that in another container.
Now this is the hard part, where can you get fruit extracts that aren't siroop (sweetened)?

Mix them together in the right proportions. Add water if needed. Should be allright shouldn't it?

Lemon like this? It uses real lemon, and would probably be decent with tea.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Kagus on July 13, 2020, 10:24:27 am
Vodka mar-tea-ni
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Post by: dragdeler on July 13, 2020, 12:22:47 pm
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Post by: Yoink on July 13, 2020, 07:28:12 pm
The poopy cat?
Almost, but it was a puppy.   


I've had images turned off since before you were even on the site  :P
This makes me oddly sad. How come? I can't imagine you have an overly restrictive data cap or internet that struggles to load them...   
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Post by: Kagus on July 14, 2020, 03:36:52 am
I've had images turned off since before you were even on the site  :P
This makes me oddly sad. How come? I can't imagine you have an overly restrictive data cap or internet that struggles to load them...   
Because many of them are incredibly annoying and disruptive and I didn't see the point considering the previous forum on the old host didn't even have the capability for images (either sig images or avatars).

There was a whole big discussion once we migrated over as to whether or not image capability should be enabled. Enablers ended up winning the democratic majority, but there was enough of a split that Toady agreed that a compromise of being able to opt out should be included.


Also, they do still load in if you're checking the forum without logging in to your account, since image deactivation is a profile setting. I've done that a couple times.

...I've since decided to not do that any more, because my opinion of a few forumites suffered a notable drop after I saw what they were packing their avatars and sigs with on every post...
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Post by: Yoink on July 14, 2020, 03:47:43 am
I see. So it is as I feared. 😞   
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Post by: scriver on July 14, 2020, 04:51:23 am
I have the best signature, you should check it out
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Post by: Yoink on July 17, 2020, 07:29:16 pm
Idea I had the other day: a VR device that's compatible with a rowing machine.   
So you can be getting whatever normal workout you're after on the machine, but what you're seeing is, say, the dank belly of an ancient galley or similar boat, with virtual shouts and chants (or cracks of a whip) driving you on until you really feel the burn. Also, admire the medieval scenery passing by outside between reps!

Obviously it wouldn't be much of a game or terribly interactive, but it could be pretty novel. I dunno, this is just a vague, barebones idea at this point.   
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Post by: dragdeler on July 17, 2020, 07:36:44 pm
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 17, 2020, 07:58:26 pm
I was thinking about Cicada 3301 and wondered what other internet puzzles exist, ones that haven’t been solved yet. Searching internet puzzles often brings Cicada 3301 up, those 3 puzzles have been solved. What would I search to find new code puzzles?
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Post by: Iduno on July 17, 2020, 08:29:53 pm
Idea I had the other day: a VR device that's compatible with a rowing machine.   
So you can be getting whatever normal workout you're after on the machine, but what you're seeing is, say, the dank belly of an ancient galley or similar boat, with virtual shouts and chants (or cracks of a whip) driving you on until you really feel the burn. Also, admire the medieval scenery passing by outside between reps!

Obviously it wouldn't be much of a game or terribly interactive, but it could be pretty novel. I dunno, this is just a vague, barebones idea at this point.   

Hmm. Hmmmmm. Yes.
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Post by: Kagus on July 17, 2020, 10:28:59 pm
Give the client network ability, race people, or don't workout when there is nobody online  :D

You've heard about what's going on for Tour de France, right?
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Post by: Reelya on July 18, 2020, 01:37:49 am
I'm watching through the episodes of the Extra History series (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbBHk_zLTmY&list=PLhyKYa0YJ_5Aq7g4bil7bnGi0A8gTsawu&index=1) on Youtube, highly recommend it.

I got up to the episodes about Japan's warring states era, the Sengoku Jidai, and came across a common thing that comes up in these things, which really doesn't make any sense. One of the Oda clan generals, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, started as a peasant, then became a servant of the Oda clan, starting as a sandal bearer for Oda Nobunaga, quickly becoming promoted, eventually becoming one of the top generals of the era.

Now, the thing is, even some fairly serious discussions of his rise seem to overly focus on the sandal-bearer point, for example Extra History here says "he must have been really good at carrying shoes" to get promoted, and in this example and others, depict him as some goofy guy who's really good at shoe-carrying therefore somehow just lucked into becoming a general. This is plainly silly. Say someone started as a burger-flipper but worked their way up to be Vice President of McDonalds, if you said "wow, you must be really good at flipping burgers to have made it this far" that would be insulting and ridiculous.

The deeper point here is a common misconception: people don't understand how promotions work. We have this working conceptual model that do good at current job = promotion, so when we see someone like Toyotomi Hideyoshi rising from sandal bearer to general, we somehow assume that his ability to arrange shoes was at all relevant to the process. In fact, someone who's the perfect sandal bearer would probably have been low on mental ability but very committed to their role, and would never be promoted. Oda Nobunaga had close contact with all his servants and probably pointed to Toyotomi Hideyoshi and said "this guy: why are we wasting him as a sandal bearer, he's clearly better than that", regardless of how good he was at the current job, which wasn't even relevant.
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Post by: scriver on July 18, 2020, 03:26:27 am
But jokes Reelya

Jokes

Laugh, smile, goodly tummy feels

Edit:
Give the client network ability, race people, or don't workout when there is nobody online  :D

You've heard about what's going on for Tour de France, right?

I haven't, does it unvikve thunder?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: wierd on July 18, 2020, 03:33:32 am
Saw this thing a while ago, it's interesting looking at how many counting systems there are in use on Earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4bmZ1gRqCc

... then it makes the point that Klingon is effectively a really basic clone of the Anglophone number system just with different words, so it's much less exotic than real Earth systems. So Klingons only use base 10, and have a word for thousands and a word for millions, etc etc. Not to mention that even English is a mishmash of base 10, base 12 and base 20 (score) systems here and there. So the lucky ancient Klingons went "ok so it's base 10 with thousands, millions and billions etc, nice neat system, no caveats needed", which shows the actual paucity of flavor in most of our sci fi stuff.

So, you are telling me that a 90s Interplay computer game, Set in the ToS timeline, has better cultural color in it than the actual series does?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b92UBqonYj4
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Post by: methylatedspirit on July 18, 2020, 07:32:29 am
I have a dumb idea that sounds good, but has a fatal problem with it: The desktop version of the GTX 1650 comes with 896 CUDA cores. However, the laptop version (which I will call the GTX 1650M) comes with 1024 CUDA cores. They use the same die, TU117, which means that in theory, it may be possible to unlock those extra CUDA cores on a 1650 by flashing the 1650M BIOS onto it. Then just use MSI Afterburner to "overclock" the card back to stock, and presto, you've unlocked CUDA cores!

Two problems, though: it would be limited to 50W rather than the stock 75W, which you can't do anything about, since the BIOSes for Turing cards are encrypted, and nothing so far can edit them. And reportedly, the 1650M reportedly doesn't have video outputs of its own, which throws a huge wrench in my whole plan. You'd end up bricking your card.
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Post by: Kagus on July 18, 2020, 11:01:40 am
Edit:
Give the client network ability, race people, or don't workout when there is nobody online  :D

You've heard about what's going on for Tour de France, right?

I haven't, does it involve thunder?
Introducing, in the midst of an unprecedented pandemic crisis, for the first time ever: Tour de France Online! (https://youtu.be/Bj3MlXbcABU)

Apparently I missed just about all of this, the virtual games have been going since the 4th and are finishing up tomorrow  :P

I was so ready for this to be a colossal glitchfest considering the rush job and the scope of the project they were pitching... Haven't seen any of the actual footage yet
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Post by: dragdeler on July 18, 2020, 11:16:59 am
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Post by: Reelya on July 19, 2020, 11:18:17 am
That reminded me I recently saw this thing pointing out that for Red Dead Redemption (not sure if 1 or 2) they put magnets on railings so that when you shoot people the ragdoll physics are much more likely to send them tumbling over the railing. So in order to make more satisfying deaths, the railings effectively have their own localized gravity / tractor beams.
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Post by: dragdeler on July 19, 2020, 01:32:07 pm
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Post by: scriver on July 19, 2020, 04:01:24 pm
Moving sports online would remove everything that's fun about them

You know, exactly like with online "sports".
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Post by: King Zultan on July 20, 2020, 03:21:26 am
If we put all sports online then we won't have to pay those people so much money, I don't get why they get so much money anyway.
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Post by: scriver on July 20, 2020, 03:30:38 am
Are you kidding me? Professional gamers also make a ridiculous amount of money.
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Post by: dragdeler on July 20, 2020, 06:31:33 am
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Post by: scriver on July 20, 2020, 07:42:37 am
Why do they even need to be professionals anyway. Make sports a hobby again.

Did you know the Olympics was supposed to be for amateurs only?
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Post by: dragdeler on July 20, 2020, 07:58:50 am
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Post by: scriver on July 20, 2020, 08:16:18 am
I had no idea about the upper class amateur link either but I guess that makes sense. It's sad though. I think more amateurism would greatly enhance the culture of many popular sports.

It's patently ridiculous to claim Greeks were amateurs, though. Like 99% of the Olympics are war games and military service was, as far as I know at least, very common.
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Post by: Reelya on July 20, 2020, 02:08:29 pm
Yeah that whole "amateur code" was in fact to keep the Olympics as the domain of monied gentlemen, not some lofty goal of keeping sport pure or something.

One example is that enlisted men were considered to ride horses professionally, while for officers, they were held to be amateur horsemen, which was really a post-hoc justification of the rule that only the officer class could compete. There was a soldier (I forget the nation) who was an exemplary horseman, so they temporarily promoted him to officer rank so he could compete, but he got demoted again after the events.

In the same vein, rowers from Oxford and Cambridge were perfectly able to enter the Olympics as rowing teams, but if you rowed as your source of income then you were excluded.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on July 21, 2020, 12:38:54 am
Have y'all been watching The English Game or what?   
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 25, 2020, 06:23:49 pm
This video  (https://youtu.be/DJiGuFCzaFo)talks about the many biases we humans can fall into
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Post by: dragdeler on July 25, 2020, 06:58:03 pm
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Post by: Frumple on July 25, 2020, 08:19:33 pm
... so is exurb1a some kind of bootleg exodia or...?
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Post by: dragdeler on July 25, 2020, 08:41:27 pm
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Post by: Frumple on July 25, 2020, 08:54:09 pm
Exodia's a children's cartoon/card game thing. Comes from Yu-gi-oh.
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Post by: dragdeler on July 25, 2020, 08:58:23 pm
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 27, 2020, 10:18:37 am
I don’t remember what thread we were on, but there was a talk of the Uncanny Valley effect somewhere here. YouTube recently recommended a video about why the Uncanny Valley is wrong (https://youtu.be/LKJBND_IRdI)
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Post by: methylatedspirit on July 29, 2020, 04:21:38 am
I wrote code in Brainfuck that outputs "14+++++ nm" to celebrate the delay of Intel's 7 nm process (https://www.anandtech.com/show/15926/intel-7nm-delayed-by-6-months-company-to-take-pragmatic-approach-in-using-3rd-party-fabs). There's probably ways to optimize this code, I just wanted to spite Intel for what they've done over the years.
Code: [Select]
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
+++.
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>+++++
[-<.>]
<-----------.
++++++++++
++++++++++
++++++++++
++++++++++
++++++++++
++++++++++
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-.
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Post by: King Zultan on July 29, 2020, 04:56:42 am
I wrote code in Brainfuck
I've never heard of that before, when I first saw the code it looked like a ASCII drawing of some kind that had broken.
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Post by: KittyTac on July 29, 2020, 05:48:37 am
https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 29, 2020, 06:29:10 am
I remember when YouTube recommended me a video about Brainfuck...how was the new coding language generated? How does someone go about making a new coding language?
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Post by: KittyTac on July 29, 2020, 09:24:44 am
I remember when YouTube recommended me a video about Brainfuck...how was the new coding language generated? How does someone go about making a new coding language?
This book might help. (https://craftinginterpreters.com/)
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 29, 2020, 09:35:44 am
Thank you. I have a thought unrelated to the previous one:
I remember there’s a wiki where the stated goal was something like creating an interconnected universe using only wiki pages. Unfortunately I forgot the name, as well as the name of the person whose signature has a link to said wiki. I remember it has white text on a gray background with blue hyperlinks, there are 3-4 star systems currently. There are humans, reptile aliens, and creatures that make themselves by ?combining? attributes of other creatures, forgot what they’re called. I remember contents of the wiki but cannot remember the wiki’s name to get to it. I think someone here has a link to it on their signature.
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Post by: Eschar on July 29, 2020, 09:38:38 am
I remember when YouTube recommended me a video about Brainfuck...how was the new coding language generated? How does someone go about making a new coding language?

You design it and then you have to write a program (in a preexisting language) that either compiles NatureGirlC++ (or whatever) programs into appropriate "machine code" (the tiny low-level instructions that the CPU can execute directly) or interprets it and basically does whatever the appropriate action is line by line (not exactly line by line but you get the idea.) Interpreters are much easier to write than compilers because you don't have to know about all the little tiny details of machine code. However, a machine code program such as one produced by a compiler will run faster than a source program being run by an interpreter.

If you want to make a programming language, a good first step is, naturally, learning to program.
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Post by: dragdeler on July 29, 2020, 08:47:28 pm
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Post by: Eschar on July 30, 2020, 11:07:28 pm
I was thinking idly about Person of Interest and wondered how much threat data could be extracted from social media posts (as they are available to civilians) by some sort of scraper project. Premeditated crimes, probably not in most cases? Natural disasters, definitely. Diseases, possibly.

There is at least one deliberate threat/risk that often shows up in social media posts, which much common language (making it easier for a program to classify it): suicidal ideation.

Hmmmm.

This was all speculation. But in the long term, maybe eventually that could be a good use of my interest in programming. Y'all's thoughts on a hypothetical project like this?
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 30, 2020, 11:12:29 pm
It would help with suicide prevention, maybe when the program is in place, there could be an agency whose job it is to convince those thinking of suicide not to do so
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Post by: Kagus on August 01, 2020, 07:45:27 am
As someone who has suicidal thoughts on a fairly regular basis, I can say that the idea of being dehumanized even further through constant monitoring by a bunch of disconnected pencil-pushers (or worse, a machine algorithm!) like some sort of lab project is not particularly encouraging and would probably lead to me clamming up even more about what's bothering me...

But that's just me. Anecdotal evidence and all that :P
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Post by: Reelya on August 01, 2020, 09:16:12 am
Why don't we get the people who make reality TV to help out with the suicide prevention? They can monitor you and bring you into the diary room periodically, they can do a voice over in your house, keep you company etc.
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Post by: Iduno on August 01, 2020, 01:38:48 pm
As someone who has suicidal thoughts on a fairly regular basis, I can say that the idea of being dehumanized even further through constant monitoring by a bunch of disconnected pencil-pushers (or worse, a machine algorithm!) like some sort of lab project is not particularly encouraging and would probably lead to me clamming up even more about what's bothering me...

But that's just me. Anecdotal evidence and all that :P

Yeah, it's sort of an American solution. People aren't normal, so put them under tighter controls until they fit the norm. Which generally means people don't get the help they need, because they learn they're punished for being different. This is the goal, as it keeps costs down.

"We" have fairly successfully exported this method of problem "solving."
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Post by: Eschar on August 01, 2020, 02:00:05 pm
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 03, 2020, 12:49:34 pm
If you put cardboard in a vacuum, and kept increasing the temperature, would you be able to melt it without burning it?
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Post by: McTraveller on August 03, 2020, 01:31:28 pm
Pretty sure most of the molecules in cardboard will go straight from solid to gas at the relevant temperatures and pressured; I think you can only get carbon to liquefy at high pressure for instance.

It is kind of like making charcoal - if you heat wood in a low-oxygen environment, parts of it self-oxidize, parts offgas and you are left with almost just carbon.  If you keep heating it, I think the carbon just sublimates because the pressure is too low.

Yup: http://phycomp.technion.ac.il/~anastasy/teza/teza/node5.html - you have to be at least 100 bar (10-1 kbar) pressure to liquefy carbon; otherwise it will just go straight from solid to vapor.
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Post by: delphonso on August 03, 2020, 06:33:47 pm
If you put cardboard in a vacuum, and kept increasing the temperature, would you be able to melt it without burning it?

I spent most of my days in Chemistry classes trying to figure this kind of thing out. Fun to think about.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 03, 2020, 06:48:42 pm
It wouldn't really melt. When you heat up wood compounds in a vacuum it breaks apart into volatile compounds.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165237006000702
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Post by: scriver on August 04, 2020, 03:35:09 am
Pretty sure most of the molecules in cardboard will go straight from solid to gas at the relevant temperatures and pressured; I think you can only get carbon to liquefy at high pressure for instance.

Taco bell disagrees
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Post by: wierd on August 04, 2020, 03:39:12 am
I would point out that burning coal will liquefy inside a blacksmith's smithy.  It will continue burning while molten.
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Post by: McTraveller on August 04, 2020, 10:55:21 am
I would point out that burning coal will liquefy inside a blacksmith's smithy.  It will continue burning while molten.

Is that right? Was I misreading the pressure axis on the carbon phase diagram?

Or is this not really molten carbon, but molten other stuff (sulfur?) with solid carbon in suspension?
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Post by: methylatedspirit on August 08, 2020, 11:12:01 am
Laptops that need you to remove the keyboard and trackpad assembly to get to anything else are hell to work on.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 09, 2020, 06:34:37 pm
What movie is it where there’s a giant toy store and without (hope/happiness?) they turn to stone and stop being alive?
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Post by: MaxTheFox on August 10, 2020, 12:46:40 am
I have only 504 posts. Huh, I thought I had more...
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Post by: King Zultan on August 10, 2020, 06:07:29 am
What movie is it where there’s a giant toy store and without (hope/happiness?) they turn to stone and stop being alive?
Sounds metal hope someone knows what it is.
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Post by: dragdeler on August 10, 2020, 06:08:40 am
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Post by: Bumber on August 10, 2020, 06:13:23 am
What movie is it where there’s a giant toy store and without (hope/happiness?) they turn to stone and stop being alive?

Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 10, 2020, 08:54:55 am
What movie is it where there’s a giant toy store and without (hope/happiness?) they turn to stone and stop being alive?

Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium?
Thank you. It’s been a while since I’ve seen it and have no idea what triggered the thought about it
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 11, 2020, 09:22:05 pm
There was a discussion on another site today about some calendar reforms, and someone proposed switching to a base-12 number system. Which is fair enough (plenty of proposed advantages for base-12), but they also threw it in with a few more ideas, including a call for the US to finally get rid of imperial measurements.

Now, call me crazy, but if you're switching to base 12, then metric needs to go, because that's entirely base-10, so you'd be stuck looking for a base-12 alternative. Your choices would be to concoct a new system (google xkcd competing standards) or just base it on feet and inches, which would be far more desirable, since they're already exactly defined against the SI units. You'd do a few reforms at the edges (such as a mile being 3000 feet in base-12, just slightly shorter than a normal mile) but a lot of the American stuff would translate over well enough that Americans would be ok with it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on August 11, 2020, 09:34:39 pm
cly we need to go to base-64, boop.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 11, 2020, 09:37:54 pm
Since it's been a year or so, I want to be on record again as stating that metric is bad and dumb and 12 is the best small base (but 60 is better).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 11, 2020, 09:56:09 pm
Base ten is best until such a point we grow extra fingers, really. If you can't finish off your base without taking your shoes off or reusing digits you've already screwed up.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 11, 2020, 10:01:19 pm
Base ten is best until such a point we grow extra fingers, really. If you can't finish off your base without taking your shoes off or reusing digits you've already screwed up.
Do you count on your fingers often?

What is it with people and fingers, anyway? Why can't you count your ten fingers and your two palms to make 12?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 11, 2020, 10:08:47 pm
Pretty often, yeah. Tends to be how I manage low number multiplication for 9, too.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 11, 2020, 10:16:38 pm
Base ten is best until such a point we grow extra fingers, really. If you can't finish off your base without taking your shoes off or reusing digits you've already screwed up.

They have a system where you put your thumb against the segments of your other fingers, there are 12 of those. Count up to 12 on one hand, it's clearly better than needing both hands to count to 10. If you use both thumbs with this, then your left hand counts 12's and the right hand counts 1's, allowing keeping track of up to 144 with 2 hands, no toes needed.

Hell, this way of keeping track beats the normal way even if you don't switch to base-12: with your thumbs as markers you can keep track of any 2-digit number in either base-10 or base-12 just with hand positions that actually put less strain on the hand than the normal counting-to-10 thing.

It's entirely down to what people are taught. If some people grew up with base 12 and were told you count on finger segments that way they'd argue that base-12 is clearly the natural base since we have that many segments available for counting.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on August 11, 2020, 10:52:54 pm
I started doing this when I was asked to keep track of 20+ errors in a 2 minute reading recording (English instruction). I have to say it is a lot more convenient
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on August 11, 2020, 11:27:38 pm
Sort of lose the high profile visibility of things like 'how many fingers am I holding up?' though.  Or again the clearly visible countdown from ten that takes place, for example, with cycling time trials.

Always thought that 19 months of 19 days would be a neat system (plus 4ish holy-days) - ya know, fuck the moon.  A least we would have a clear middles of the month and year.  Now seven day working weeks, that's just bizarre, right?  :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 11, 2020, 11:52:21 pm
Since it's been a year or so, I want to be on record again as stating that metric is bad and dumb and 12 is the best small base (but 60 is better).

I think base 60 would be interesting, but it ends up being pretty verbose (understanding that it would surely be some mixed-decimal system rather than introducing 50 new symbols).

If we copied the mesopotamians (but with modern things like zeros) it could be something like '9 -> 09', '10 -> 10', '59 -> 59', '60 -> 01|00', '121 -> 02|01', etc. I think a separator symbol is essential; writing a number like 4294967295 as '053124062815' or '05C1B406B8A5' would make it very difficult to read and correctly pair the digits, while '05|31|24|06|28|15' is as easy as reading 02:15 for time.

Still, even without the separators, only being able to fit 60 digits where 100 were possible in decimal with the same number of symbols isn't great for space. Including the separators, as I think would be necessary on most displays, it's really awful in this respect, whereas base 12 or even 6 get the important fractions that decimal sucks at without requiring symbol pairing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 11, 2020, 11:57:05 pm
I think base 60 would be interesting, but it ends up being pretty verbose (understanding that it would surely be some mixed-decimal system rather than introducing 50 new symbols).
We don't need NEW symbols, we already have enough symbols for BASE64, which is base 64. 60 is less!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 12, 2020, 12:02:14 am
Since it's been a year or so, I want to be on record again as stating that metric is bad and dumb and 12 is the best small base (but 60 is better).

I think base 60 would be interesting, but it ends up being pretty verbose (understanding that it would surely be some mixed-decimal system rather than introducing 50 new symbols).

Base 60 is interesting but I don't think the whole number system should be designed around it. Grouping by 60s works well in either base 10 or 12.

Consider this, if distances were grouped in base 60 then you could have 3600 feet to a 'mile', then if you specified velocity in feet per second, it would be the same number as miles per hour, a neato touch.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 12, 2020, 01:38:49 am
Since it's been a year or so, I want to be on record again as stating that metric is bad and dumb and 12 is the best small base (but 60 is better).

I think base 60 would be interesting, but it ends up being pretty verbose (understanding that it would surely be some mixed-decimal system rather than introducing 50 new symbols).

Base 60 is interesting but I don't think the whole number system should be designed around it. Grouping by 60s works well in either base 10 or 12.

Consider this, if distances were grouped in base 60 then you could have 3600 feet to a 'mile', then if you specified velocity in feet per second, it would be the same number as miles per hour, a neato touch.

Right, but you would still also end up with other competing natural measures like 1000 B12 feet in a metric "kilofoot" (1728 decimal feet) for simplified digital fractions and compatibility with base 12 scientific notation, while that 3600 decimal foot mile would have the still kind of awkward number of 2,100 feet in base 12. It'd still be annoying to deal with converting fractional miles to other units, like when converting from miles to feet which would require a multiply or divide by 2,100 instead of just moving the radix point as you would do with "kilofeet" in "base 12 metric". It's only useful since time uses a different base that also requires awkward conversions; I think base 12 would be good enough that you could use it for time as well, personally.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 12, 2020, 01:54:35 am
Yeah I thought of that before, the main issue with these hypothetical measuring systems is working around the issue of time, since a day is a set period, so it's more about seeing how different ideas work with that.

In base 12 one thing you could do is 72 minutes to the hour, 72 seconds to the minute, keep number of hours per day the same. This would work similarly as if you had things in a base-10 system grouped in 50s.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 12, 2020, 04:24:37 am
It's not an ideal base number system unless you can count it with your fingers
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on August 12, 2020, 06:56:47 am
Now, now: the year is 5 months of 73 days each, of course.

Also, if you can't count to 31 on one (5-fingered) hand, you're doing it wrong  ;D
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: voliol on August 12, 2020, 07:49:27 am
60 is divisible by 12, the current system would work as well for a base-12 system as it does for a base-10, in fact even a little better as 24 is also a multiple of 12, and not of 10.

...After further thoughts I get why 72 is elegant, it is 12*6, the factors of 6 (2 and 3) also being factors of 12. 60=12*5 doesn't do that for you.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 12, 2020, 07:51:52 am
Yeah, in base 12, 72 would be the equivalent of 50 in base 10.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 12, 2020, 12:58:09 pm
...After further thoughts I get why 72 is elegant, it is 12*6, the factors of 6 (2 and 3) also being factors of 12. 60=12*5 doesn't do that for you.
That's actually the opposite of what makes a good base. A good base has a lot of factors so it neatly divides into many different sizes of piles. 60 divides evenly by 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. Unfortunately you can't get 7 without going way too high, but nobody ever really wants seven of anything anyway. 120 or 180 are also nice, netting you 8 or 9 respectively, but still beyond my idea of a base too annoyingly large to use.

Also, if you can't count to 31 on one (5-fingered) hand, you're doing it wrong  ;D
I use them as ternary digits: extended, bent at the first (second? which way do you number these from?) knuckle, and lowered. It's of course possible to pack in even more information per finger if you can be bothered, but ternary is at a nice nexus of useful and easy, especially if you also know balanced ternary.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on August 12, 2020, 01:25:36 pm
31 on one hand was for the computerphiles.  So long as you don't get offended by certain single- or two- finger configurations*.


Spoiler: *fascinating aside (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 12, 2020, 04:18:20 pm
You missed what MaximumSpin was getting at. By allowing horizontal fingers to count differently to vertical ones, you get base 3. 3^5 = 243 per hand, or counting up to 242 including zero. Each finger would have the state of  pointing up, pointing out, or curled down. Gets a bit hard to hold the positions mind you, while the 31 one is relatively easy.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on August 20, 2020, 01:21:35 am
I'm surprised that porn sites haven't recently been flooded with a new genre of porn that is basically "BASIC SOCIAL INTERACTION POV".   
I'd watch the hell out of that. Anyone with lots of footage of their past parties/gigs/camping trips etcetera is basically sitting on a goldmine these days. Assuming the other folks in the video(s) would consent to their interaction with friends being whored out to lonesome strangers, I suppose... hmm, maybe this idea isn't as brilliant as I first thought.   

Maybe folks in COVID-free areas could organise get-togethers specifically for the purpose of streaming to the world? I dunno.   



Another genius idea that has been bubbling around in my head for ages: a double-barreled shotgun with a foregrip... that is actually the grip of another (possibly shortened) double-barreled shotgun! Boom! A quad-barreled shotgun!
Of course, with fancy automatic shotguns being a thing I don't imagine this would have much actual use outside of, like, self-defense or crime, but... maybe after the world ends we'll all be huddled around, welding or bolting shotguns together into a weapon to rule the wasteland. *shrug*   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 20, 2020, 01:39:15 am
i think there are already millions of hours of footage of shows that cater to that: pretty much 80% of broadcast television is nothing but that. You get those 3 hour morning shows, daytime talk shows and night-time chat shows. They have that genre sewn up. It's the same reason morning drive-time radio is formatted with multiple hosts. The person driving is alone so that provides random chatter.

Whether more of that stuff moves to a pure online format remains to be seen. I'd argue that twitch type streams kinda already fit that, but it's the fans hanging out with the streamer. However most of that is structured around a single talking-head as are most youtube things.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 20, 2020, 10:43:16 am
Take up cycling, they said. Who needs skin anyway, they said.
In retrospect, I should have paid more attention to the second part.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 20, 2020, 02:41:28 pm
Take up cycling, they said. Who needs skin anyway, they said.
In retrospect, I should have paid more attention to the second part.
Who uh...who said this to you?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 20, 2020, 03:18:19 pm
You know. Them. The flayed pushbikers.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on August 20, 2020, 07:33:47 pm
i think there are already millions of hours of footage of shows that cater to that: pretty much 80% of broadcast television is nothing but that. You get those 3 hour morning shows, daytime talk shows and night-time chat shows. They have that genre sewn up. It's the same reason morning drive-time radio is formatted with multiple hosts. The person driving is alone so that provides random chatter.

Whether more of that stuff moves to a pure online format remains to be seen. I'd argue that twitch type streams kinda already fit that, but it's the fans hanging out with the streamer. However most of that is structured around a single talking-head as are most youtube things.
Hmmmmm, that's really not the same, at least to me. People sitting around on a panel or something talking to the camera has very little resemblance to actual, ordinary social interaction. Those morning shows are just plain awful, anyway. Though admittedly a DIY talkshow panel could be an amusing setting for a sesh, especially with my Seinfeld-loving friends. We the Merv Griffin show up in this bish. I'm gonna note that idea down.       

I was thinking more like, gritty found-footage of a party or w/e. Maybe with less drug abuse to keep it, well, not "family friendly" but not legally incriminating, either.   


Podcasts also fill that 'social chatter' role pretty well, I reckon, though that's usually not so personalized. Y'could try ASMR, maybe? That tends to be pretty personal/intimate without being lewd. I wonder if viewership on ASMR is up.
Podcasts are ableist. So is ASMR, for that matter - both just remind me how deaf I am. :P   
Seriously though podcasts don't really appeal to me. Not sure how much of that is actual disinterest in the format and how much is frustration that I struggle to hear shit and they never have subtitles. Though I do watch a fair few LPs that are basically just people talking shit whilst playing games, so... I don't know.   

As for ASMR, that just creeps me out. Also I don't think it has much/anything in common with actual conversation? ???   
If somebody started talking to me in that weird kinda sotto voce outside of a lewd context I would probably smack them.   

Besides, ideally you need the video accompaniment of whatever social interaction you're trying to immerse yourself in.   
I might dig up that Party Vibez music video with the GoPro on a beer bong. Now that's what I'm talkin' about.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on August 22, 2020, 08:52:58 am
Because I wanted to know how much overclocking headroom each generation of Intel processor has, I pulled some data from hwbot.org, and made this chart. I don't know where else to put it, so into the Random thoughts thread it goes. I wanted to include a series of processors with roughly the same architecture here, so I picked the long stretch from Core 2 to Comet Lake, just because it was easier to research, since all these processors had actual model names, and had a clear progression by generation. I'm picking the highest-end processors within their respective generation, just because it's easy to find the highest-end ones within a generation. (Fun fact: this represents a 14-year span, from 2006 to 2020)

(https://i.imgur.com/XOZR2RH.png)

I don't know what make of this thing. When I came up with the idea, I was hoping that it would be an easy progression, rising upwards as the generations go by, but the truth seems to be more ambiguous. Sure, it rises from the X6800 to the i7-2700K, but the rest of the chart just goes up and down, with seemingly a slight trend upwards in overclocked clock speed. I suppose that when people say that Sandy Bridge (represented by the i7-2700K here) is legendary, this is at least vaguely what they mean? It has the greatest overclocking headroom of all the processors here, and it's almost on par with an i9-10900K with its overclocked clock speeds.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 22, 2020, 09:02:41 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on August 23, 2020, 01:46:29 am
I feel like intel is hitting a point of diminishing returns

Would you believe me if I said that Intel's been using the same Skylake architecture and the same 14nm process since 2015? 'Cause that's what they've been doing. There's a reason why people joke about "14+++++++++++++ nm", it's because their 10nm process doesn't work as well as they want it to (something about not enough yield, I think), so they can't manufacture anything (with a few exceptions) on that process. They've been forced to optimize their 14nm as far as it will go, while they're being left in the dust by TSMC (who manufacture AMD's 3000-series CPUs) with their 7nm process.

Since they're not changing the architecture either, (though that will change with next generation's Rocket Lake, which will use the Willow Cove arch, but will still use the same old 14nm process) the only option if they are to remain competitive with AMD is to push for greater and increasingly-ludicrous clock speeds. And considering that 'pushing for higher clock speeds' (at the cost of insane power consumption/heat production) is also what happened with the Pentium 4, there's a comparison to be made with the 10th and 9th gen and the Pentium 4, especially the incredibly hot Prescott arch. Not a good look, if you ask me. Granted, the Pentium 4 was made with the sole purpose of hitting high clock speeds, so the intent is different, but it certainly looks the same from the outside.

apparantly the i9-9900k can get scary hot too in some scenarios.
And you'd be right. The i9-9900K (and i9-10900K) consume more power (and dissipate more heat) than the Ryzen 9 3950X, despite the latter having 6 more cores than the former.

(Image in spoiler might not work, here's the source (https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-10900k-cpu-review/2))
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 23, 2020, 02:40:15 am
It's pushing the clock speeds high out of the gate coupled with "binning" chips differently. So those top I9s just happen to be the chips from the foundry that managed to be stable at the higher speeds, but they always leave a little wiggle room to be safe so that customers aren't getting random stability problems. The chips that weren't quite as stable get labelled as the I9-9900K rather than the I9-10900K, which explains why the overclocking room on both is near identical.

Really these are just pre-overclocked. Which isn't in itself a bad thing, as long as you're getting value for the money, but could be misleading since they're pushing it to the point of needing so much more power. If they had instead clocked the I9 lower, used a smaller cooling setup, then people had bought the chip, overclocked it and then threw a huge cooling system at it, you'd be at the same exact point anyway. So it might make sense to just give someone a chip and say "here's your chip, it's already overclocked as high as we can stably go, and if you don't want that, why didn't you just buy a different chip to start with" rather than shipping chips that aren't clocked as high as they can actually go.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on August 23, 2020, 08:13:12 am
If Intel were honest about what they were selling, and didn't push the clock speeds of their processors as high as they did, I don't think they would've done as "well" (not great, but at least they aren't completely done for) as they did. Intel's current marketing is that they're selling "gaming" processors, that you can get the best possible performance out of games by buying their processors. Which is true, I'll give them that, but it's only a 15% improvement on average over the competition (the Ryzen 3900X, specifically). I'm fairly sure a decent GPU overclock can provide the same benefit, and that's free, but I digress. If they didn't do what they did, they would've lost the only advantage they had.

And now that AMD's on the warpath, trying to take back both the OEM desktop and the laptop spaces with their Ryzen 4000 APUs (no word yet on the Ryzen 4000 CPUs, but if they can make good on their promises, they stand a chance to beat Intel), it's important that Intel holds on to whatever advantage they do have, even if it means they're bullshitting their way through it while they try to get their next architecture and process node(s) in order.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 23, 2020, 08:22:35 am
If you look at Intel's revenue vs AMD's revenue, that's $72 billion vs $6.7 billion, it's apples and oranges. So you think, how can AMD do it, it's a david and goliath battle here and Intel should be crushing them with economies of scale and process optimization. However then you realize that all AMD's chips are actually fabbed by TSMC.

So the numbers make more sense when you realize that TSMC has a revenue of $35 billion with many clients, in other words costs and benefits are spread around to everyone who works with TSMC when they invest in process improvements. The AMD thing is just a sideline for TSMC, not the main game. They're pumping out billions of ARM chips, that's where the focus on low-power, speed and small size has been, but these just happen to benefit AMD too: low-power and compact cores means you can cram way more in there, so AMD is benefiting from TSMC's investment in cutting-edge mobile CPUs, indirectly.

That's the real story here, not that AMD themselves are somehow technologically ahead of Intel. AMD is ahead because TSMC invested in tech for better mobile CPUs. AMD cramming more cores in isn't actually a choice here btw, they had to do that to leverage the advantages of the TSMC processes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on August 24, 2020, 05:34:20 am
I realize I'm being imprecise with my words. When I said that AMD might beat Intel, I meant that AMD might release processors that are better in benchmarks than Intel. I'm speaking within the extremely narrow context of what I'll dub the 2016-202X Processor Wars. You're speaking of the big picture, which I don't feel qualified to speak on. I simply don't know enough to argue that point, but I'll accept it.

What I do know is that AMD knows it can't compete with the whole of Intel (even with TSMC's help), so it focuses on a narrower segment, Intel's processor division. AMD found an opening in the market, and it exploited it, though that's probably gonna change, now that Intel's announced that they're going to use third-party foundries as a way to shore up their (lack of) 7nm fabbing ability. Intel, a company that wouldn't have been caught dead outsourcing its processor* chips 5 years ago is doing it. I suppose that AMD, as a fabless company, means that they're flexible. They can choose whatever foundry fits their needs, be it TSMC, GlobalFoundries or whoever**. They're not stuck if their in-house fabbing suffers from delays like Intel. Intel could leverage that same flexibility by outsourcing.

*They did use third-parties for low-margin stuff, don't get me wrong, but their processors were almost entirely in-house.
**And they did, GlobalFoundries manufactured the Ryzen 1000 and 2000 CPUs, and the Ryzen 1000, 2000 and 3000 APUs. If TSMC (who make the 3000 CPUs, and the 4000 APUs) falls behind, I'm certain AMD will choose another foundry.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TheSteppeWolf on August 24, 2020, 06:19:39 am
I wonder, if my laptop could run CK3 when it releases. It looks quite intensive.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on August 28, 2020, 07:57:27 pm
Adenovirus-36 and obesity: I'm calling this as an upcoming paradigm shift. I'd compare it to similar shifts. Usually they take 15-20 years from the initial discovery. Examples which comes to mind are (though there are probably more):

- the low-fat / low-carb thing. Remember the huge opposition to the Atkins Diet at the time and how they were prophesizing your guts would rot away and explode if you ate a diet like that. No such gut-explosions occurred despite a lot of people trying those diets and all the low-carb diets which are effectively descendents of Atkins. There is a huge history there, the whole low-fat thing through the 1970s to 2000s.

- The discovery that giving peanuts to babies prevents peanut allergies. The first reporting on this was about 15 years ago, it became standard advice a year ago in Australia. this goes against everything they'd been telling us for decades, so it wasn't an easy thing to overturn, and I've talked to people who still refuse to believe it for that reason.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/new-guidelines-say-give-babies-peanut-butter-and-forget-hypo-allergenic-formula-20190114-p50r7i.html

- The discovery that bacteria cause stomach ulcers. A huge vested interested against that being the case, not the least of which was all the pharma money selling treatments that didn't work
https://www.everydayhealth.com/h-pylori/history-what-we-dont-know/
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Warren and Marshall’s theory about H. pylori’s function wasn’t immediately accepted in the medical community. 

At the time, most scientists didn’t believe that bacteria could live in the human stomach. Additionally, researchers thought lifestyle factors, like diet and stress, were to blame for ulcers rather than a bacterial infection.

Despite the convincing results, fellow colleagues were reluctant to recognize Warren and Marshall’s findings.


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“I“I remember giving a talk at a conference where I presented 15 different studies in which Ad-36 either caused or was correlated to fatness. At the end of it, a good friend said to me, ‘I just don’t believe it.’ He didn’t give a reason; he just didn’t believe it. People are really stuck on eating and exercise as the only contributors to fatness. But there is more to it,” says Richard Atkinson, M.D., emeritus professor of medicine and nutrition at the University of Wisconsin at Madison.

The evidence is in fact stacking up quite high at this point, from multiple directions, but there's a general push back: not from the basis of anyone actually having any data that contradicts the studies but because of that "i just don't believe it" stuff. This is what to me smells like a paradigm in the making.

Part of the reluctance to consider the idea may well be that if you view morbid obesity as being a moral failing it fits with a "just world fallacy" type of thinking. Fat people are fat because they lack control, and I'm not fact because I have control. The thought that you could be infected with a virus and that causes changes in your body which cause you to put on weight at the drop of the hat is a scary thought.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 28, 2020, 08:10:35 pm
I thought science was about following the data, not maintaining beliefs, that’s what religions fo
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Post by: Maximum Spin on August 28, 2020, 08:34:44 pm
I thought science was about following the data, not maintaining beliefs, that’s what religions fo
Yes, but the main problem here is more the lack of understanding of the mechanism, leading people to conclude that the virus theory violates the law of conservation of mass.
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Post by: Reelya on August 28, 2020, 09:04:02 pm
Also, this is specifically medical stuff. Stuff like theoretical physics is where you're going to find that rarefied pure debate type of science, but medical practice is a mix of scientific research, big egos, big money, pharma profits and doctors in everyday medical practice.

It's messy. If you come along and say every doctor's been doing the wrong thing for years and been giving bad advice and they didn't in fact have any rational basis for doing so, you're going to get a lot of hate, not some disinterested "oh and now we know thanks for enlightening us!"

Doctors can be sued for doing the wrong thing or lose their licenses: they have a vested interest in you not coming over and pointing out that everything they do is wrong. See the whole thing where surgeons were totally against the hand-washing thing mainly because admitting they needed to wash their hands would be admitting they'd murdered a lot of people through infection, so they kept going without washing hands to make a point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
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Semmelweis proposed the practice of washing hands with chlorinated lime solutions in 1847 while working in Vienna General Hospital's First Obstetrical Clinic, where doctors' wards had three times the mortality of midwives' wards. He published a book of his findings in Etiology, Concept and Prophylaxis of Childbed Fever.

Despite various publications of results where hand washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. He could offer no acceptable scientific explanation for his findings, and some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it. In 1865, the increasingly outspoken Semmelweis supposedly suffered a nervous breakdown and was committed to an asylum by his colleagues. He died 14 days later after being beaten by the guards
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 28, 2020, 09:17:51 pm
Oh yes, and the one who fiscovered that a bacteria In the water in England was causing a disease, not miasma as was previously thought. It is unfortunate that they’d keep doing incorrect things rather than correct things
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Post by: scriver on August 29, 2020, 06:36:19 am
Science is still like religion, it's just a religion with very spirited theological debate ;)
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Post by: feelotraveller on August 29, 2020, 02:13:23 pm
And here I was thinking that the Big Bang "theory" and ever-expanding universe was all politics.
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Post by: voliol on August 30, 2020, 04:20:47 am
I imagine doctors (of the medical kind) can be extra obstinate as admitting a wrongdoing in science is normally a matter of pride, but for them it is as much a matter of guilt. Few people would like to admit another’s death being due to personal failure; I imagine similar guilt is what caused Semmelweiss to break down.

And well, then there’s the money-makers and quacks (mostly in pharma?) in addition to that.
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Post by: methylatedspirit on August 30, 2020, 08:45:00 am
This is sorta a continuation of when I said that replacing the boot HDD in PCs with an SSD usually solves the problem of an unbearably slow PC. Also, I should probably start a blog or a new thread, but a) I can't be assed to, and b) I don't see myself updating it often or regularly enough for it to really work.

The thing with getting a new SSD as a boot drive is that you can guarantee that a system booting off of it will at least have acceptable performance, even if you buy the cheapest one. HDDs promise no such thing. Were you to go for the cheapest HDD available, you'd almost certainly end up with a system that would be bottlenecked so badly, that even pairing it with an overclocked i9 running at 7.7 GHz (https://hwbot.org/submission/4446006_elmor_cpu_frequency_core_i9_10900k_7707.62_mhz) being cooled with liquid nitrogen would make a sloth think it's slow. And as for finding a HDD the speed of an SSD... good luck. They stopped making high speed (high speed as in the platter itself span at, like, 10000 RPM instead of 5400 RPM) HDDs a long time ago once people caught on to the fact that SSDs are just better in this role.

Personally, I have seen an Alienware laptop with an i7 and a GTX 980M being brought to its fucking knees by a slow hard drive. It was like it was begging for death every time I tried to run anything. When I had it replaced with my old SSD, it suddenly turned into the fastest laptop in the workplace it was in.

Just get an SSD for a boot drive. Any SSD is better than a HDD when you're putting your OS on it. If upgrading an old system, just make sure that the PC you're planning to put an SSD into actually has the option to replace the existing storage device; I've seen (on Youtube) laptops that have their storage soldered straight to the motherboard.
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Post by: Reelya on August 30, 2020, 12:01:14 pm
Well the thing about storage on the motherboard is that it's getting more common for them to just throw an NVMe socket on the laptop's motherboard somewhere rather than need an extra SATA bay.

For my latest laptop, which was fairly cheap at $350 brand new, it was very sluggish, 1 TB HDD. When I started looking into SSDs, I found out about the NVMe standard. So I decided to open it up and sure enough, there was an NVMe plug right on the motherboard. I then ordered got a 120 GB NVMe drive and successfully installed that as the C drive.

If you get one with eMMc you're probably screwed, but if they bothered to put a SATA hard-drive in there more likely than not they had room for NVMe too.
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Post by: methylatedspirit on August 30, 2020, 06:09:57 pm
A word on terminology: M.2 is a physical form factor and connector specification. NVMe is the interfacing standard that was made for M.2 drives, since NVMe drives run at speeds far faster than what SATA supports. For backwards compatibility (or alternately, just to confuse people), the M.2 spec supports good old SATA. It's entirely possible to get an M.2 drive that runs only at SATA speeds instead of NVMe. All NVMe drives are M.2, but not all M.2 drives use NVMe.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on September 03, 2020, 03:04:09 am
I think it's possible to measure how scared a company is of its competition by how many times it mentions its competitor(s) relative to the number of times it mentions itself. Case in point: the Intel Tiger Lake announcement. I'll just pull a chart from a Gamers Nexus video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFHBgb9SY1Y):

(https://i.imgur.com/PP9DWJ2.png)

Compare this with Nvidia, just one day ago from that announcement:

(https://i.imgur.com/GaqaWYf.png)

Intel's practically begging for its life at this point. Nvidia's event inspired confidence, it inspired a feeling of wonder and a "woah, the future truly is here!" kind of feeling. Intel's, I haven't watched it myself, but from how it's been summarized to me, it's basically Intel going "We'Re bEtTeR ThAn AmD, LoOk aT uS". They may as well have renamed it to "AMD sucks, here's why", except it's phrased in the most defensive, insecure way possible.
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Post by: dragdeler on September 03, 2020, 07:05:09 am
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Post by: Rolan7 on September 03, 2020, 11:29:20 pm
I used to justify all the hours I spent fidgeting as becoming more aware of my body and how exactly it functions.
I'm surprised the generation growing up with phones at 5 years old can even walk without texting.
Just boomer thoughts~

(I remain surprisingly okay and in touch with my body outside a single superficial aspect.  I like to think that we've been through some shit together, and formed a lasting bond.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 03, 2020, 11:37:03 pm
Your body is the thing housing your brain, which in turn is the maker of your mind, a collection of thoughts that perceives itself, at least that’s what I think a mind is. Anyways, my question is why are you talking about your body like it’s not part of you?
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Post by: Yoink on September 03, 2020, 11:38:26 pm
Your body is the thing housing your brain, which in turn is the maker of your mind, a collection of thoughts that perceives itself, at least that’s what I think a mind is. Anyways, my question is why are you talking about your body like it’s not part of you?
The body (and brain!) is just a fleshy prison for the mind and/or soul, depending on your views.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 04, 2020, 12:17:56 am
Your body is the thing housing your brain, which in turn is the maker of your mind, a collection of thoughts that perceives itself, at least that’s what I think a mind is. Anyways, my question is why are you talking about your body like it’s not part of you?
The body (and brain!) is just a fleshy prison for the mind and/or soul, depending on your views.   
Without the body or brain, the mind wouldn’t exist, as the brain is required to make it
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Post by: Rolan7 on September 04, 2020, 12:31:49 am
That's a little surprising!  I assumed you'd believe in the idea of moving minds from place to place.
Minds pause, and the body changes in the interim.  Theoretically, we could be copied to a different medium, someday.
Not that I have much hope for that, and it's probably terrifying.  Transporter conundrum and all that.  Dunno, I'm kinda over it.
Your body is the thing housing your brain, which in turn is the maker of your mind, a collection of thoughts that perceives itself, at least that’s what I think a mind is. Anyways, my question is why are you talking about your body like it’s not part of you?
The body (and brain!) is just a fleshy prison for the mind and/or soul, depending on your views.   
This as a nutshell.
I rarely have this body when I dream.  I've also had some trouble with it in the past.  Impulses close to anorexia in high school, fainting spells.  But since then, we've done pretty alright aside that one discrepancy on my face.

I think it's reasonable to say that I am not my body.  Mind/body dualism is an ancient philosophical concept.  Apparently my subconscious still likes to imagine leaving my body for a while.
Hm.  Perhaps the trinary mind/body/soul concept could work as mind/body/subconscious instead.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 04, 2020, 12:54:38 am
Your body is the thing housing your brain, which in turn is the maker of your mind, a collection of thoughts that perceives itself, at least that’s what I think a mind is. Anyways, my question is why are you talking about your body like it’s not part of you?
This is a good point though, the body determines the mind just as the mind determines the body!  It's, well, hubris to think otherwise.  Beyond the body being the source of all 5 senses (and the other ones) it also floods the mind (brain housing the mind) with countless hormones.  The mind is undeniably altered when flooded with adrenaline, but most effects are more subtle.

The subconscious is also housed in the brain, but I still think it's a discrete part of the whole person.  To invoke a trope I usually resent, it could be like Wisdom in Dungeons and Dragons:  Passive perception and insight.  Ideas which just occur, rather than being dissected under study.
Well, that might be why I always hated the WIS/INT dichotomy.  In real life you really need both to figure out the meaningful problems.  (Hence "sleep on the problem" being standard advice in STEM fields)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on September 05, 2020, 10:59:19 pm
I'm going to college soon. Slightly worried.
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Post by: scriver on September 06, 2020, 05:26:50 am
What are you taking?
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Post by: delphonso on September 06, 2020, 06:34:42 am
What are you taking?

Classes, probably.
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Post by: Yoink on September 06, 2020, 06:25:31 pm
What are you taking?

Classes, probably.
What kind of weak-ass college is this?!   
The answer is drugs, obviously. Jeez.   
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Post by: Bumber on September 07, 2020, 01:57:27 am
What are you taking?

Classes, probably.
What kind of weak-ass college is this?!   
The answer is drugs, obviously. Jeez.   

2 bags of grass
75 pellets of mescaline
5 sheets of high-powered blotter acid
1 saltshaker half-full of cocaine
1 galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, and laughers
1 quart of tequila
1 quart of rum
1 case of beer
1 pint of raw ether
2 dozen amyls
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 07, 2020, 02:26:07 am
If settle for doing one amy
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Post by: Yoink on September 07, 2020, 02:37:24 am
Settle down, we're enrolling in college, not covering the Mint 400.   
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 07, 2020, 02:41:40 am
Bring a bag of coffee and a few packs of gum.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on September 07, 2020, 04:11:56 am
Check local oriental markets for Ramen that has more than just flavor powder. They're still cheap but not fucking awful, this is assuming a supermarket is inconvenient, as it was at my university. Otherwise just buy instant noodles and throw a few veggies in there to have something comparable to a real meal.
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Post by: Rolan7 on September 07, 2020, 09:38:31 am
Oh heck yeah.  Premium ramen is nice, with separate little packets of seaweed and good spices.  Still best to add some ingredients in, for nutrition, but they at least taste like something more than salty MSG on their own.

I mean, no judgement.  I have consumed loads of unadulterated ramen in my time.  But it's mysteriously unfilling, isn't it?
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 07, 2020, 02:13:21 pm
I just eat the cheap ramen and add additional spices. Is it really a good idea to pay more for stuff you could conceivably add on your end? The noodles are going to be pretty much the same stuff either way.
You can also try cracking an egg into the boiling water and stirring it around with the noodles. I've put a splash of milk in the past few times. There's a lot of room for lateral improvement with the cheat stuff!
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Post by: dragdeler on September 07, 2020, 02:28:02 pm
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Post by: delphonso on September 07, 2020, 07:19:28 pm
If you've got veggies available nearby, then yeah the cheapest instant noodles are fine.

If you're in a cramped dorm and only shop on weekends, the packets of pickled veg and dried seaweed in instant noodles can make a difference.
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Post by: methylatedspirit on September 08, 2020, 08:23:03 am
It turns out that AVX instructions (at least on Intel CPUs) require a higher voltage to run than non-AVX instructions. This is reflected by a higher Vcore under such a load. On top of that, I found out that letting it idle seems to yield an even higher voltage.

So now there's at least 3 separate voltage curves for a stock Intel processor:
1) Vcore under AVX load,
2) Vcore under non-AVX load,
3) Vcore when idle.
(and there's probably the AVX-512 load curve, but I don't happen to have an AVX-512-capable processor on hand)

So now I feel the urge to collect data on this.

I should really learn to code, or something, so that I can automate the process of plotting a voltage curve under so-and-so load under so-and-so conditions. In general, being able to code would really help me in figuring out the random things that I think about, instead of manually setting stuff and manually collecting data like some kind of caveman.

(Also, I'm betting that autocorrect will butcher "Vcore" into "Vore", which... that's an entirely different thing.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Cthulhu on September 09, 2020, 02:30:53 pm
Fuck it, I'm just gonna make that which sleeps.

No bullshit, no lessons learned, I'm just gonna make the damn game.  I'll make a simple digital board game where you play a random adventurer and wander around on a small world map doing dungeons and buying stuff, then I'll modify it so the adventurer does his thing automatically, add parallel adventurers, and slowly expand from there until there's a baseline self-playing adventure board game, then take the dominator from black company and gorilla glue him on top of it.
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 09, 2020, 02:51:46 pm
Fuck yeah, TWS.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 09, 2020, 03:03:27 pm
Fuck it, I'm just gonna make that which sleeps.

No bullshit, no lessons learned, I'm just gonna make the damn game.  I'll make a simple digital board game where you play a random adventurer and wander around on a small world map doing dungeons and buying stuff, then I'll modify it so the adventurer does his thing automatically, add parallel adventurers, and slowly expand from there until there's a baseline self-playing adventure board game, then take the dominator from black company and gorilla glue him on top of it.
this sounds cool, though what’s the Dominator Black Company?
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Post by: dragdeler on September 12, 2020, 10:24:04 pm
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 14, 2020, 02:40:47 pm
Has anyone ever found it strange that the stereotypical name for a DF dwarf is Urist, meaning "dagger", despite the fact that DF dwarves don't make or use any daggers?
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Post by: Superdorf on September 14, 2020, 07:08:32 pm
Has anyone ever found it strange that the stereotypical name for a DF dwarf is Urist, meaning "dagger", despite the fact that DF dwarves don't make or use any daggers?

Yes. Yes I have.
Was a fitting name for the original (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=15572.0) tho.
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Post by: Reelya on September 14, 2020, 07:48:51 pm
Decided to look at name lists to see if humans are naming their children anything equivalent. Some truly appalling names are popular:

https://www.babynamewizard.com/the-top-1000-baby-names-of-2019-united-states-of-america-0

Code: [Select]
1 Emma 17102 (1)
2 Ava 14440 (3)
3 Sophia 13714 (5)
4 Isabella 13306 (4)
5 Charlotte 13138 (6)
6 Amelia 12862 (8)
7 Mia 12414 (7)
8 Harper 10442 (9)
9 Evelyn 10392 (10)
10 Abigail 9106 (11)
11 Emily 8213 (12)
12 Ella 8079 (15)
13 Elizabeth 7844 (13)
14 Camila 7809 (18)
15 Luna 7755 (23)
16 Sofia 7355 (17)
17 Avery 7311 (16)
18 Mila 7309 (14)
19 Aria 7072 (19)
20 Scarlett 7044 (20)
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Post by: Yoink on September 14, 2020, 10:56:46 pm
...Apart from maybe "Luna" I honestly don't see anything bad on that list.   
Maybe I'm just biased due to having a ridiculously fuckin' weird name myself, but looking at it objectively I still don't get it. At least it's not full of stuff like "Jayden" like the list of boys names probably is, haha.   
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Post by: scriver on September 15, 2020, 12:12:59 am
I have a perfectly ordinary name and I don't see anything wrong with that list either, except as you say Luna.
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Post by: delphonso on September 16, 2020, 06:26:36 am
I mean - Emma, Ava, and Sophia mean "wholeness", "being a bird", and  "wisdom". All of which is decidedly not human. So it's basically the Urist problem all over again.
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Post by: scriver on September 16, 2020, 07:02:36 am
Being a Swede I am used to thing names. Wolf, Bear, Knot, Path and the like are common names here. Part of my own name is Staff.
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Post by: MCreeper on September 16, 2020, 07:37:09 am
I mean - Emma, Ava, and Sophia mean "wholeness", "being a bird", and  "wisdom". All of which is decidedly not human. So it's basically the Urist problem all over again.
In what place there are no names like that? Where i live (Ukraine), there a plenty of women named Hope, Love, etc, too. And not even in diffirent language.  :P Nothing out of ordinary.
Looks like there are some misunderstandings of points, but meh.  :P
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Post by: Yoink on September 16, 2020, 10:40:36 am
Yeah, pretty much any name has some kind of meaning to it. Simply mashing syllables together (or putting on your Fantasy Character Creation cap) for your child's name would probably get you run out of town for child abuse, haha.   
Kinda weird when you think about it. All the names we consider normal actually MEAN things. Crazy.   
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Post by: Enemy post on September 16, 2020, 01:16:59 pm
It gets particularly interesting if you learn German and start seeing all the random words people have for last names. Stark=Strong, for instance, so Iron Man's name is Tony Strong.
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Post by: Maximum Spin on September 16, 2020, 05:29:52 pm
Yeah, pretty much any name has some kind of meaning to it. Simply mashing syllables together (or putting on your Fantasy Character Creation cap) for your child's name would probably get you run out of town for child abuse, haha.   
Kinda weird when you think about it. All the names we consider normal actually MEAN things. Crazy.   
There are cultures where mashing syllables together is normal.
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Post by: Yoink on September 16, 2020, 07:42:35 pm
I mean, do the syllables have meanings individually, though?   
If not, that's pretty cool. Well, it's pretty cool either way, but if they don't mean anything that's badass.   
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Post by: Reelya on September 16, 2020, 07:48:17 pm
Yeah, pretty much any name has some kind of meaning to it. Simply mashing syllables together (or putting on your Fantasy Character Creation cap) for your child's name would probably get you run out of town for child abuse, haha.   
Kinda weird when you think about it. All the names we consider normal actually MEAN things. Crazy.   
There are cultures where mashing syllables together is normal.

We all mash syllables together. People confuse language for rules of writing about where spaces go on paper. Germans don't 'really' cram a ton of words together into one big word any more than English does by using adjectives.
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Post by: Maximum Spin on September 16, 2020, 07:49:24 pm
I mean, do the syllables have meanings individually, though?   
If not, that's pretty cool. Well, it's pretty cool either way, but if they don't mean anything that's badass.   
Nope, the goal appears to be entirely about making a name that sounds good by cultural standards without meaning anything.

We all mash syllables together. People confuse language for rules of writing about where spaces go on paper. Germans don't 'really' cram a ton of words together into one big word any more than English does by using adjectives.
I mean arbitrarily, to make new names. I thought that was obvious from context.
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 16, 2020, 08:03:55 pm
Giving every person in your society their very own word which is reserved to refer to only them without other meaning would seem to be the most efficient way. Though on the other hand, letting names mean something lends them a certain kind of power.
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Post by: Reelya on September 16, 2020, 08:19:28 pm
If everyone on Earth had a unique first name I don't think that would improve 'efficiency' very much. If all combinations of 26 letters were valid then 26^7 = 8 billion so everyone would have a 7-letter name, but of course most of those will be gibberish so if they're used as actual names they'd have to be longer.

Or we keep it to 7 letters and everyone pronounces them as letters. So if your name is Ahtorsi you pronounce it "Ayhaitchteeoharesseye" so people can tell you from Aatorsi or Artorsi. And I'm not even getting into the difficult to pronounce 7-letter names.

If somone is called David there can be occasional problems clarifying which David you're referring to, but would that really be worse than having to spell your name every time you interact with anyone?
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 16, 2020, 08:22:55 pm
I said "a society", not "the entire human population of the planet".
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Post by: Reelya on September 16, 2020, 08:36:21 pm
Knocking that down to the size of the USA for example really only knocks one letter off the required name length. (26^6 = 300 million)

So everyone gets a 7-letter name and everyone in the USA gets a name that starts with an 'A' to keep things simple.
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Post by: Maximum Spin on September 16, 2020, 09:12:26 pm
To be fair, the USA is already fifty different countries and most of those also contain many wildly different societies. "Everyone in this town gets a unique name" is probably adequate. Of course, then it would be trivial to assign prefixes to each state, county, and town.

But then, every name can also be interpreted as a number in base 26, so you're really just assigning everyone a number with a built-in locating system. Maybe then we could have these little pocket-sized devices where you can enter a person's unique number to immediately be connected to that person's device for communication purposes, and we can call them "cell phones".
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Post by: scriver on September 17, 2020, 12:12:12 am
That's why you have surnames. So you can tell which Raven you refer too, Raven Eagle's son or Raven Cauldron's son.
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Post by: Yoink on September 18, 2020, 06:13:10 am
Bushwacking the psycho shopkeepers in Spelunky is actually a heroic act. Change my mind.   
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Post by: scriver on September 18, 2020, 06:34:12 am
If your not whacking them in the bush you're just whacking them with a bush
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Post by: methylatedspirit on September 20, 2020, 01:14:09 am
To be able to function socially, one must make assumptions about the people around them. People don't think of strangers as blank slates; they must use what limited information is available to them to fill in that blank slate. While that can lead to racism (and other forms of discrimination), I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to assume things about people as long as one updates their assumptions as they get to know someone, and doesn't try to make blanket statements about groups of people.

They're guidelines, models. Every model is wrong, but some models are useful. If the person contradicts the model, the model is wrong, not the person. It has failed to make correct predictions, and it should be adjusted or replaced. Assuming that the model is the person is dangerous, and I think it would lead quite easily to discriminatory behavior.

(Or I could be talking BS, and everything I just said is invalid. The stuff that comes out of my mind/ass/mind-ass isn't particularly well-vetted.)
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Post by: dragdeler on September 20, 2020, 10:42:39 am
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Post by: methylatedspirit on September 30, 2020, 02:18:32 am
This is a point that I wanted to make a long time ago on this very forum that I didn't think of when the discussion it was tied to was fresh. That's for the first part; the second one is from... "recent events".

My main problem with violence as a method of solving problems is that it tends to generate far too much collateral damage for it to be worth it. If you hit someone with deliberate intent to hurt, you think that they're ever gonna like you again? It's unlikely at best, since you just set the precedent that you will hurt people if you don't get your way. Violence is a tool, but an incredibly dangerous one at that. And for how dangerous it is, I think it's laughably ineffective most of the time. It changes if you're being violent in self-defense, but even then I'd exercise caution to make sure that your level of violence is proportional to the other person's level of violence. Don't shoot someone if they punch you in the face, you get what I mean?

And really, that applies to hurting people in general, especially during arguments. There's a reason I try to be as non-confrontational as possible when I correct people. If you're aggressive while correcting and you're right, that's fine, but if you're aggressive and you're wrong, people will call you out on that, you're gonna be stuck with your tail between your legs, and you may have over-escalated the situation. If you're not being aggressive and you're wrong, you'll still get called out on it, but at least you won't have turned it into a shouting match. Of course, I'm not at all counting being funny-aggressive. That's a whole different story; the difference there is intent, though depending on execution and place, that might get misinterpreted as aggressive-aggressive, so I would suggest taking care.

Then again, I don't have to deal with idiots and fools on a daily basis. Maybe if I worked the jobs some of you work, I'd lose my temper sooner, too. I'm not here to diss anyone, I'm just trying to make a point. I'm basically reading off my Guidebook to Not Being a Dick, and Why You Shouldn't Be a Dick Too (not an actual book, BTW, just one encoded in my brainmeats), and I'm feeling the urge to revise it because I think there may be errors in here.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on September 30, 2020, 06:01:09 am
Movie idea: a janitor, working the day shift at some high school/college and generally hating his or her existence.   
Then weird things start happening around the campus and they wind up working late, whereupon they meet the night shift janitor which this school apparently for some reason has, who is the absolute antithesis of the main character's dreary life of drudgery and everyday humiliation. This janitor rocks up to work wearing dark glasses, with a biker jacket over their janitorial jumpsuit. Or something, I don't know, point is they're really cool and mysterious and are on the trail of whatever has been causing the strange happenings at the school.   

The night shift janitor has to grudgingly start working together with their ridiculously uncool daytime colleague because, uh... honestly, I had this story idea last night and I'd forgotten it almost entirely until just now, so it's even more barebones than it was to start with. I don't know, but I feel like the two protagonists leaving messages for each other hidden in the everyday messes their job involves cleaning up would be pretty cool. Like, boring stuff like hiding notes under the lid of a bin, or something more artsy like the countless globs of chewing gum stuck to the bottom of a bench actually spelling out a message if one looks at it from below. You get me?   

Anyway, just an idea. Not sure what inspired it exactly.   
I would probably write this in a diary/journal but I don't have one at the moment, so there you go. I'll give you this one for free.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 01, 2020, 07:05:27 am
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Post by: methylatedspirit on October 02, 2020, 01:40:00 am
Idea: a computer nerd who describes computers the same way an art critic describes paintings.
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Post by: dragdeler on October 02, 2020, 07:14:36 am
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Post by: scriver on October 02, 2020, 07:23:52 am
You mean somebody aah-ing and ooh-ing over a piece of rubbish instead of a functional computer?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on October 06, 2020, 07:48:55 am
I had access to a Ryzen laptop, and because I'm a nerd who cares deeply about the power consumption of computer components, I tested its power-limiting behavior.  A stock Ryzen 5 4500U (and presumably other U-series 4000-series Ryzens) under full, constant CPU load, assuming no thermal throttling, behaves like this:

1. At the beginning of the load, the CPU is allowed to draw up to 25W. This phase lasts 1 minute and 30 seconds.
2. For 2 minutes and 30 seconds, the CPU will linearly ramp down its power limit from 25W to 15W.
3. After the power limit hits 15W, there is no more change to the limit and the CPU will sustain a power draw of 15W for the rest of the load's duration.

So that R7 4800U that beat those Intels by a landslide in Geekbench 5 probably was operating at a power limit of 25W, since Geekbench, as with most real-world workloads (not to imply Geekbench is a real-world workload, it's still a synthetic benchmark testing performance using a set of real-world loads), produce spikes of load on the CPU, rather than being a constant load. It didn't last very long on the R5 4500U (2 minutes max, I think?), so no sustained power throttling to be seen on that R7, either. To be fair, I'm fairly sure those Intels were also effectively running at a power limit of 25W for the whole benchmark, so it's not really cheating when both sides are cheating by the same amount.

This is different from Intel processors. Those have 2 power limits (in practice; their spec defines 4), PL1 (sustained) and PL2 (peak), as well as a time variable called Tau. For a U-series CPU, PL1 = 25W, PL2 = 15W, and Tau = 28 seconds. Assuming the same load and conditions:

1. At the beginning of the load, it will draw PL2 watts. This continues for Tau seconds.
2. After the Tau time expires, the power limit is abruptly dropped down to PL1. It will sustain this power for as long as the load is running.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on October 07, 2020, 01:46:37 am
People who spell the shortened version of "until" with an extra "L" instead of an apostrophe should be buried in a fuckin' desert with their hands and feet cut off.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on October 07, 2020, 02:01:48 am
People who spell the shortened version of "until" with an extra "L" instead of an apostrophe should be buried in a fuckin' desert with their hands and feet cut off.   

Where's your sense of poetic justice? They need to be run over repeatedly by a giant tiller:
(https://qualityrental.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/c687aa7517cf01e65c009f6943c2b1e9/t/i/tiller_-_cultivator.jpg)
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Post by: George_Chickens on October 07, 2020, 02:02:22 am
People who spell the shortened version of "until" with an extra "L" instead of an apostrophe should be buried in a fuckin' desert with their hands and feet cut off.   
Buried till they die?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on October 07, 2020, 02:20:16 am
Where's your sense of poetic justice? They need to be run over repeatedly by a giant tiller
   
You, sir, are a god-damned genius.   


People who spell the shortened version of "until" with an extra "L" instead of an apostrophe should be buried in a fuckin' desert with their hands and feet cut off.   
Buried till they die?
...   

*ominous spluttery whirring sound approaches*   




Spoiler (click to show/hide)
   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: wierd on October 07, 2020, 02:53:24 am
He looks like the US version of Doc from Fraggle Rock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ahxfwwnapg)...

And acts just as campy too...




Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 07, 2020, 03:48:59 am
What I spell the unshortened word as "untill" to begin with?
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Post by: wierd on October 07, 2020, 03:51:18 am
Do Until [condition]

[Do stuff in here]

Loop


Untill is what you do when you use one of these (https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-8-in-x-8-in-Tampers/1000377393?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-sol-_-google-_-lia-_-106-_-lawnandgardentools-_-1000377393-_-0&placeholder=null&gclid=CjwKCAjwzvX7BRAeEiwAsXExo4rH8QhKUt-P9wFEDLVhVynS5K4QWjkLOA22KgwiTaxb2jdbw6lRxhoCqRAQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 07, 2020, 03:55:48 am
No you see in my language untill is "till" therefore it can't be until in your language it has to be untill
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: wierd on October 07, 2020, 04:29:43 am
See here sir, "till" is both a noun, describing the loose rocky soil left by glaciers, and also a verb, describing the action of disturbing the soil in such a manner.

To UN-till something, is to perform the inverse process. This is why it is logically what is performed by the use of a tamping iron.

Dont go all UK on me now, by dredging up "inflammable".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 07, 2020, 04:44:20 am
No you are mistaking the word till with the word till. They're different words, just spelled the same
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: pikachu17 on October 07, 2020, 11:16:31 am
I just learned of 1811 slang for penis, which was "gaying instrument". I felt I needed to share that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 07, 2020, 11:58:39 am
The preposition "till" is actually not a shortening of "until" but is borrowed from the Scandinavian word from the time the Scandies invaded Scotland. The concept of 'til is purely a misunderstanding.

In fact, "until" was created later and based on the preexisting "till". The un- is from a prefix meaning "up to".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on October 07, 2020, 01:03:27 pm
The preposition "till" is actually not a shortening of "until" but is borrowed from the Scandinavian word from the time the Scandies invaded Scotland. The concept of 'til is purely a misunderstanding.

In fact, "until" was created later and based on the preexisting "till". The un- is from a prefix meaning "up to".
TIL
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on October 07, 2020, 04:06:19 pm
Software then: Buy the premium version to gain access to useful features.
Software now: Buy the premium version to remove annoying features.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 07, 2020, 04:10:53 pm
So does that mean:
Software future: Buy the premium nothing is different from the standard version but it still costs more.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 07, 2020, 04:16:18 pm
So does that mean:
Software future: Buy the premium nothing is different from the standard version but it still costs more.
Only until the software future where: Buy the premium version to get access to a new and different slate of annoying features.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on October 08, 2020, 03:24:55 pm
<snip>

I read that as "Buy the premium nothing". So you have nothing to start with, and you can pay for premium nothing. I guess they start you out with less than nothing and you then pay to have nothing. So the first paid tier is the sweet blessed relief of not having to use their thing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on October 09, 2020, 03:52:25 am
I read that as "Buy the premium nothing". So you have nothing to start with, and you can pay for premium nothing. I guess they start you out with less than nothing and you then pay to have nothing. So the first paid tier is the sweet blessed relief of not having to use their thing.

Ransomware?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on October 12, 2020, 11:29:27 pm
You know... in spite of being absolutely crushed by life many times before, betrayed, abused... (specifically in 2019)... I managed to survive and become a better person. If anyone is here who I have wronged, I am sorry.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 13, 2020, 12:12:36 am
I can't think of any
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Post by: Eric Blank on October 13, 2020, 12:17:40 am
You don't have a bad reputation, for sure. It could be worse. People could associate every post you make with ogress milking lol
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Post by: Egan_BW on October 13, 2020, 12:19:42 am
Or violently hating roblox.
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Post by: KittyTac on October 13, 2020, 12:24:58 am
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeverLiveItDown or https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OnceDoneNeverForgotten...

Or that meme with the crow.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on October 13, 2020, 12:26:22 am
~~~hey look it's the roblox guy~~~
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Post by: delphonso on October 13, 2020, 12:27:28 am
People could associate every post you make with ogress milking lol

I've heard this twice so far and don't understand the reference at all. Could someone illuminate me - at least a bit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on October 13, 2020, 12:29:25 am
You might have missed it if you dwell only in the lower boards. IIRC there was some guy in DF discussion who made multiple threads pertaining to the milking of ogresses, ways to mod that in, and suggestions to add it as vanilla.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on October 13, 2020, 12:39:56 am
And also got banned for being constantly argumentative.

And may or may not have come back with a new account to ask about milking cow people, then switched to asking about milking intelligent creatures for their venom when called out.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on October 13, 2020, 12:41:29 am
I guess that happened at a time I didn't browse the forums constantly like I have since the virus started. Thanks for the explanation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on October 13, 2020, 12:43:07 am
Oh naw, that was like a month ago. Were talking about DerMeister/Ia! Riaktor!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on October 13, 2020, 12:47:19 am
I'm surprised I missed it then - I spend a good amount of time in those boards. But I usually just browse by titles and answer questions.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: George_Chickens on October 13, 2020, 12:49:02 am
HOW MAKE OGRESS MILKABLE?
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Post by: scriver on October 13, 2020, 01:08:46 am
~~~hey look it's the roblox guy~~~

Sundrop.
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Post by: Egan_BW on October 13, 2020, 01:22:54 am
In.
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Post by: King Zultan on October 13, 2020, 02:53:40 am
A.
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Post by: Loud Whispers on October 13, 2020, 04:39:39 am
Shrekess milker.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on October 16, 2020, 10:58:47 pm
I feel that the bar for what constitutes a "tolerable" or "acceptable" computer has been rising much slower over time than it did in, say, the 90s or the early 2000s. I think that's why it feels like computer performance doesn't feel like it's increasing much, despite yearly evidence to the contrary.

I seriously think that people who only use their computers for office work and casual web browsing can get by with a Core 2 Quad, 8GB of RAM, and an SSD. In that use case, the only things you gain from newer CPUs is better power efficiency and security (ever heard of Meltdown, Spectre and associates? Those aren't patched on these old-ass processors). Oh, and Chrome, Word and Excel open up a bit faster, but app load times are mostly bottlenecked by storage, not processor, so it's mostly diminishing returns the higher-end you go.

I'm not saying you should go for a Core 2 Quad in this day and age if you had the choice of something better. I'm saying that people shouldn't upgrade when they're still happy with their computer and what it's capable of. That's probably hard to believe coming from me, someone with remarkably poor impulse control, but please, don't buy shit you don't need.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on October 17, 2020, 07:05:30 am
...but please, don't buy shit you don't need.

A great rule of thumb to live by in any case!
And yeah, I agree about computers.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MCreeper on October 18, 2020, 04:07:18 am
People in charge of heating make profit by boiling other people, therefore they are devils.
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Post by: dragdeler on October 19, 2020, 04:21:21 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 19, 2020, 04:42:02 am
You know, factory farming is a tragedy, especially how we treat pigs is not cool, they're such smart animals. But there is one thing I wholeheartedly support: they can never grind enough male chicks. The rooster is useless, ever watched footage of a scoop being attacked by a predator? The coward will hide hoping it passes over. All their agression potiential is towards beings they deem lower rank. Their soul is as ugly as their craw. Fittingly they are the heraldic animal of my country: a bunch of roosters together will never achieve anything but infight. All they do is boast. In the natural order of things roosters are less important and enjoyable than wasps and mosquitoes.


But at least I have the consolation that billions of smale male chicks are ground into powder, I'd rather smash them into pulp myself, but it's something.
“The things we dislike most in others are the characteristics we like least in ourselves.”
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on October 19, 2020, 04:50:21 am
On the one hand there are obvious problems with deciding which animals to murderize based on their adherence to some particular kind of human morality. On the other hand, the possibilities for ethically-loaded branding are fantastic. Just imagine companies trying to make sure the customer knows their animal products were made only from the most depraved stock.
The Worst Wurst
Pâté-tic
Black Souls Pudding
The Heart of Duckness
Hot Damned Dog
Hag-gis
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 19, 2020, 04:56:04 am
"We assure you that all of the animals we use were Nazis in past lives and they deserve to die twice!"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 19, 2020, 05:01:51 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 19, 2020, 05:02:56 am
Chicken in general are awful animals. Not a single drop of love in their entire bodies.

Truly they are the dinosaurs of our time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ZBridges on October 19, 2020, 05:06:29 am
Chicken in general are awful animals. Not a single drop of love in their entire bodies.

Truly they are the dinosaurs of our time.

Nope. (https://youtu.be/9_lkVzzd6rE)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 19, 2020, 05:45:54 am
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Post by: scriver on October 19, 2020, 05:56:18 am
Yeah it's a telling sign that your species is so devoid of any loving emotion that evolution had to come up with a contrived mechanic to make you bond with literally anything that movesfor a certain period of time because otherwise you kill and eat it
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ZBridges on October 19, 2020, 06:11:36 am
The species is devoid of any loving emotion because it has evolved to have loving emotions?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 19, 2020, 06:55:08 am
They're not feelings as we know them. They have no associated hormones or similar chemicals that we find in other species, even other birds with similar mechanics. It is more an innate, instinctual need to follow. Chickens are essentially tiny feathered orcs.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ZBridges on October 19, 2020, 07:07:34 am
I literally just Googled it a second ago, and I found this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy_in_chickens#Definition), which says that chickens have feelings and the foundations of emotional empathy.  Did you check before saying that?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 19, 2020, 08:29:04 am
No, I made it all up
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Post by: Yoink on October 19, 2020, 10:13:59 am
Random thought: imagine an Amish kid doing stand-up comedy during Rumspringa.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on October 19, 2020, 03:17:41 pm
Had a musing about video game technology, but moved it to here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127124.msg8202334#msg8202334)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Greiger on October 20, 2020, 04:32:54 am
I take vitamins, mostly gummy ones just because I don't have the willpower to go out and take them otherwise, and it keeps me remembering to take other daily pills I need to take.  A family friend told me a few years ago that they are terrible for you because they are packed with sugar and that you are better off eating fresh fruit instead.  While I believed them, I continued with gummies, because as I mentioned I forget to take them otherwise.

This morning when taking them before going to bed (yes I go to bed at 6 AM), I had a random thought, 'Isn't fruit packed full of sugar too?  I wonder how much more gummies have over fruit.'. 

So I looked at the nutritional info for my vitamin C gummies. 200 mg of vitamin c, for 6 grams of sugar.  Yea, that seems like a lot for how small the things are.   Then I went to google and checked the nutritional info for oranges.  51 mg of vitamin C for 9 grams of sugar.

So actual fruit has only 25% the vitamin C and has 33% more sugar.  I guess natural isn't always better for you.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 20, 2020, 05:39:50 am
Sugar inside unprocessed food such as whole, raw fruit are "better" for you because your body is made to digest those. Eating an apple, for example, will be better for you than eating the same amount of sugars in gummies because the fibres of the fruit will provide you with a filling sensation that you don't get from the candies, and make the sugars slower to digest causing a slower, steadier release of sugar/energy over time so you won't crave more sugar as fast. Whereas with candy you digest it in three seconds, get energy, and then immediately want more candies. This is also why a whole Apple us healthier than the same apple run through a mixer.

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor if stomachtology any more than I am a doctor of chickenology. I am but a humble layman of digestosophy.
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Post by: methylatedspirit on November 01, 2020, 04:12:30 am
I wonder if when people say that low contrast ratio text (say, black text on purple) is said to "vibrate", it literally means that the brain is forced to increase the gain on the vision signal while reading such text so high that ringing artifacts appear. The vibration is the ringing artifacts from the postprocessing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on November 03, 2020, 11:50:16 pm
I realized that basically every community I'm in has a political culture that is either too far-left for my beliefs (cough this and AmeriPol with their "the system is terrible and should be torn down instead of reformed and also literally communism" last time I checked cough) or too far-right (several Discord servers. Comparatively. I don't mean objectively far-right (as in Nazis), I mean "moderate conservatives").

I'm not even centrist.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on November 04, 2020, 09:38:58 am
I take vitamins, mostly gummy ones just because I don't have the willpower to go out and take them otherwise, and it keeps me remembering to take other daily pills I need to take.  A family friend told me a few years ago that they are terrible for you because they are packed with sugar and that you are better off eating fresh fruit instead.  While I believed them, I continued with gummies, because as I mentioned I forget to take them otherwise.

This morning when taking them before going to bed (yes I go to bed at 6 AM), I had a random thought, 'Isn't fruit packed full of sugar too?  I wonder how much more gummies have over fruit.'. 

So I looked at the nutritional info for my vitamin C gummies. 200 mg of vitamin c, for 6 grams of sugar.  Yea, that seems like a lot for how small the things are.   Then I went to google and checked the nutritional info for oranges.  51 mg of vitamin C for 9 grams of sugar.

So actual fruit has only 25% the vitamin C and has 33% more sugar.  I guess natural isn't always better for you.

Yes, but the fruit probably has the isomer (is that the right word, it's been a few years) of vitamin C that does literally anything for your body. It's just an expensive placebo.


I realized that basically every community I'm in has a political culture that is either too far-left for my beliefs (cough this and AmeriPol with their "the system is terrible and should be torn down instead of reformed and also literally communism" last time I checked cough) or too far-right (several Discord servers. Comparatively. I don't mean objectively far-right (as in Nazis), I mean "moderate conservatives").

I'm not even centrist.

Usually the "tear it all down" types have noticed that only the people in power are able to do any reforms, and they're only in power because the system is broken. There will never be meaningful reforms because of that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on November 04, 2020, 09:42:32 am
I realized that basically every community I'm in has a political culture that is either too far-left for my beliefs (cough this and AmeriPol with their "the system is terrible and should be torn down instead of reformed and also literally communism" last time I checked cough) or too far-right (several Discord servers. Comparatively. I don't mean objectively far-right (as in Nazis), I mean "moderate conservatives").

I'm not even centrist.

Usually the "tear it all down" types have noticed that only the people in power are able to do any reforms, and they're only in power because the system is broken. There will never be meaningful reforms because of that.
And I disagree. Not everyone in power is Trump or Putin. In any case I really, really don't want to risk a revolution in America. The potential for collateral damage and intervention from China and/or Russia is too large. Sure in a smaller country you can afford to kick up some dust. But in the world's #1 superpower with many enemies? That's pushing your luck too much.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 04, 2020, 01:13:38 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on November 04, 2020, 02:01:11 pm
The conversations about fruit, sugar, and whatever else were much more interesting than politics.
Besides, there are other threads for politics.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 04, 2020, 02:19:49 pm
The conversations about fruit, sugar, and whatever else were much more interesting than politics.
Okay.
Yes, but the fruit probably has the isomer (is that the right word, it's been a few years) of vitamin C that does literally anything for your body. It's just an expensive placebo.
This is silly, vitamin manufacturers aren't going to go to the expense of separating a racemate (the only realistic way to get D-ascorbate since it isn't produced biologically) just to sell you only the inactive half: it would be more expensive for them than just using the racemate (mixture of both enantiomers, thus active at half the rate overall) directly! At worst, particularly cheap manufacturers might buy D-ascorbate from less unscrupulous companies that separated a racemate to get L-ascorbate for their own vitamins and would have just thrown the D-ascorbate out (well, likely recycled it as chemical feedstock, but still), but even that's not likely because to my knowledge vitamin C is not prepared as a racemate, but via a biological fermentation route that specifically produces the active enantiomer much as the normal biosynthesis pathway does. As far as I know, D-ascorbate isn't produced in any significant quantity by any industrial method.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 04, 2020, 09:55:40 pm
Let p(x) be the mapping mapping "x" to "porn of x".
∀x, ∄p(x): p(x) = ∅
equivalently,
∀x, ∀p(x): p(x) ≠ ∅
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ZBridges on November 04, 2020, 10:01:13 pm
I.e. rule 34.

Better form is:
∀x P(x)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 04, 2020, 10:22:48 pm
Exactly how I intended it. That means my logic system is working correctly. I wonder what other internet laws can be compressed into the language of predicate calculus.

"p(x):x→porn of x" and "∀x,∄p(x):p(x)=∅" are 16 and 15 characters long (unnecessary spaces removed) respectively, adding up to 31 characters, better than "If it exists, there's porn of it. No exceptions.", 41 characters. It's pretty much a naive translation of the original into predicate calculus with only knowledge of "for all" and "there exists".

Your version "∀x P(x)" is 7 characters long with spaces. Impressive.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TheSteppeWolf on November 06, 2020, 04:14:55 am
Idk where else to put this (this, isn't a "small" question because it's a long story).

So my parents left my younger brother (8 years old) with me for the day. He was mostly quiet and playing, with his toys but I knew, that he would want to play one of those dumb roll and move board games with me soon, as he often does. Now, I know there are better board games that I could introduce him to but I forgot them in my parents' house. And I tried to teach him chess earlier (I'm decent at it, 1700 Lichess) but he wasn't interested. So instead of wasting an hour playing a pure chance-based game with no strategy I decided, to do this.

It works like this: There is a spiral path, divided into "cells" with two spaces marked "start" and "end", player tokens, start at the start and then you roll a die to decide how much you move. There are also special cells but that's, not important to this story. Each player had his own die (important). Since the game (I don't think you all know it, it's, locally produced I think. But it's a generic roll and move) depends on dice... A thought, appeared in my head. I remembered watching a documentary about cheaters in gambling and how people use loaded dice to cheat. So I took the die I wanted him to use (just a d6, I had spares), covered it up with one of those plastic covers for microwaving food, just in case, and microwaved it for a while, the goal being, to make 6 come up more often so he wins easier and, faster. I decided to not "un-load" my own die (cook it so 1 comes up more often) because it wouldn't affect Bortei (said brother's name) chances of winning as much, because, he is likely to win anyways.

Then as I predicted he asked to play the game. I made sure to look enthusiastic and, quietly sweared at myself, for forgetting the actually good and interesting games. I noticed that, the die looked a bit weird (slightly flatter), meaning I overcooked it. Thankfully he didn't notice. And of course, most of the time, he rolled 6s and won easily while I was barely halfway, across the board. He was happy, about winning.

I'm currently calling my parents, if it's OK if I play computer games with him instead.

Was what I did right? Cheating to lose, to make my young brother feel better and not play something that is boring for me for a long time?

EDIT: Clarified some things and fixed a few typos.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on November 06, 2020, 04:21:26 am
IMO there was nothing wrong with throwing the game like this as long as he had fun and you wouldn't be having fun if you played it normally. Plus you eliminated his chances of losing and if he's anything like I was at that age he would get mad if he lost (50/50 chance).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 06, 2020, 06:20:47 am
You shouldn't let your little brother play video games until he is at least 24.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on November 06, 2020, 06:24:25 am
You shouldn't let your little brother play video games until he is at least 24 as old as you.

FTFY
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on November 06, 2020, 06:39:43 am
Was what I did right? Cheating to lose, to make my young brother feel better and not play something that is boring for me for a long time?

I think you did wrong.  By deceiving your little brother you took away his chance to win in a fair manner.  (Think of the reaction of a boxer who finds out he won because his opponent threw the fight.)

That said, it's hardly a big thing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 06, 2020, 10:20:49 am
Was what I did right? Cheating to lose, to make my young brother feel better and not play something that is boring for me for a long time?

I think you did wrong.  By deceiving your little brother you took away his chance to win in a fair manner.  (Think of the reaction of a boxer who finds out he won because his opponent threw the fight.)

That said, it's hardly a big thing.
You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't learn. You didn't grow.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TheSteppeWolf on November 06, 2020, 11:46:26 am
You shouldn't let your little brother play video games until he is at least 24.
Why? I've been gaming since I was as old as him.

Was what I did right? Cheating to lose, to make my young brother feel better and not play something that is boring for me for a long time?

I think you did wrong.  By deceiving your little brother you took away his chance to win in a fair manner.  (Think of the reaction of a boxer who finds out he won because his opponent threw the fight.)
Yes, but think about me having to sit through something that can take an hour with, no choices involved. With a 50% chance of him losing and being sad.

Was what I did right? Cheating to lose, to make my young brother feel better and not play something that is boring for me for a long time?

I think you did wrong.  By deceiving your little brother you took away his chance to win in a fair manner.  (Think of the reaction of a boxer who finds out he won because his opponent threw the fight.)

That said, it's hardly a big thing.
You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't learn. You didn't grow.
Learn what?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 06, 2020, 11:50:46 am
Scriver is making fun of legislators scaremongering about violence in video games, and Egan is quoting a meme (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-cheated-not-only-the-game-but-yourself).
:P

Personally I think what you did was nice.  It might be unhealthy to make a habit of it, and I can see a moral argument against it, but also it was kinda funny and clever.  Almost entirely harmless.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on November 06, 2020, 12:00:09 pm
Was what I did right? Cheating to lose, to make my young brother feel better and not play something that is boring for me for a long time?

I think you did wrong.  By deceiving your little brother you took away his chance to win in a fair manner.  (Think of the reaction of a boxer who finds out he won because his opponent threw the fight.)
Yes, but think about me having to sit through something that can take an hour with, no choices involved. With a 50% chance of him losing and being sad.

Who care about you.  :P (I'm joking.)

So give him two dice (or let him roll twice each turn)? 
Or just learn that sometimes being in a position of care or authority can mean a bit of sacrifice?
Or figure out something else he'll enjoy that you will too?

As I said it's not a big deal, and maybe if your brother found out he'd just give you a big hug, but I suspect the fact that it somewhat troubles you (enough that you ask here) means that you yourself feel like it wasn't quite right.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 07, 2020, 08:01:43 am
Scriver is making fun of legislators scaremongering about violence in video games,

No I'm not, I'm hyperbolivslly serious


You shouldn't let your little brother play video games until he is at least 24.
Why? I've been gaming since I was as old as him.

So have I, and *acquiescently gestures to everything*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on November 07, 2020, 10:12:51 am
No video games for children. Throw them in the danger room with the wooden training spears.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 07, 2020, 01:44:59 pm
What if instead of a danger room we implement dwarven child care in real life, I'm sure it'll turn out just fine.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 07, 2020, 03:37:27 pm
Was what I did right? Cheating to lose, to make my young brother feel better and not play something that is boring for me for a long time?

I think you did wrong.  By deceiving your little brother you took away his chance to win in a fair manner.  (Think of the reaction of a boxer who finds out he won because his opponent threw the fight.)

That said, it's hardly a big thing.

I think that's off the mark, for the main reason that the kid's only 8 years old. What chance to win in a fair manner? A fair contest with an 8 year old is just totally destroying them at basically anything. In that scenario, neither side learns anything. You don't actually learn a whole lot playing with someone who just destroys you at the game. Like if the kid wanted to play at boxing, you wouldn't punch them in the face as hard as you can. Games of skill / reasoning are in effect similar, since an 8 year old doesn't have the mental development for that. You basically have to nerf youself the same as you'd pull your punches if play-fighting with a kid.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on November 07, 2020, 04:39:05 pm
Was what I did right? Cheating to lose, to make my young brother feel better and not play something that is boring for me for a long time?

I think you did wrong.  By deceiving your little brother you took away his chance to win in a fair manner.  (Think of the reaction of a boxer who finds out he won because his opponent threw the fight.)

That said, it's hardly a big thing.

I think that's off the mark, for the main reason that the kid's only 8 years old. What chance to win in a fair manner? A fair contest with an 8 year old is just totally destroying them at basically anything. In that scenario, neither side learns anything. You don't actually learn a whole lot playing with someone who just destroys you at the game. Like if the kid wanted to play at boxing, you wouldn't punch them in the face as hard as you can. Games of skill / reasoning are in effect similar, since an 8 year old doesn't have the mental development for that. You basically have to nerf youself the same as you'd pull your punches if play-fighting with a kid.

Except that it was a game of pure random.  Go back and read before launching an attack next time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 07, 2020, 05:48:32 pm
luck is a skill
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on November 07, 2020, 05:56:47 pm
them's gambling words
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TheSteppeWolf on November 09, 2020, 09:41:51 am
Scriver is making fun of legislators scaremongering about violence in video games,

No I'm not, I'm hyperbolivslly serious


You shouldn't let your little brother play video games until he is at least 24.
Why? I've been gaming since I was as old as him.

So have I, and *acquiescently gestures to everything*
Well that's bull. I don't care.

My parents took him before I actually could play anything else with him (sorry forgot about, these forums) anyways.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 10, 2020, 12:49:21 am
Okay, so, a ship's spine runs along her bottom, beneath the water level. But in vertebrates, the spine usually runs along the back, not down the belly. From this, we can conclude that a ship on the water is actually laying down on the water belly-up, like an otter floating on it's back, rather than belly-down like a swimming whale or turtle.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 10, 2020, 03:02:29 am
The problem with trying to measure some general intelligence value g is that you're basically trying to compare billions of different microarchitectures, each specialized to some set of tasks, and then compressing that down to one value. Like, people have problems with Geekbench as a one-size-fits-all benchmark, imagine doing the same for people, who vary far more than any CPU could. IQ is a thing, and Stephen Hawking said that "People who boast about their IQ are losers". Not a good look.

How would you even get close to getting enough tests to realistically measure every single facet of intelligence? By the time you have enough tests, no-one would take that test because it would take hours. At least with a computer, it's automated; you don't actually have to be present the whole time.

And for what, precisely? If you look at benchmark scores for a computer or a part, you get to make an informed purchase. Knowing your intelligence level? Dick length's more useful! That's all intelligence testing is; yet another proxy for dick length. Yet another thing to show off to people. It's pretty much indecent exposure to show off to uninterested people, too, so the dick length analogy works in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 10, 2020, 03:25:56 am
I think that's correct. While IQ test have some general usefulness, the history of concept of 'g' itself is based on a blank slate model where how much 'g' you have indicates how good you are a 'general intelligence' tasks. The assumption here is that the brain is like a car and g is horsepower, and the more 'g' you have the better you do at all 'general' tasks.

Except the evidence points more to the idea that the brain isn't like a general-purpose computer where G = GHz or an engine when G = Horsepower, but it's more a series of specialized units that do very specific tasks. This bit was a very contentious point for many years, between those who believe the brain is like a blank slate that has pure generalized learning ability (g) vs those who believed the brain consists of a large number of specialized units that have evolved to handle common problems.

So IQ / 'g' is a very crude measure. It's like trying to say how big your house is by measuring its height. It'll be accurate to some degree since height of the house is correlated to size, but it's going to be a poor measure overall.

Back in the heyday every workplace used IQ tests based on the promise that it would find the best people for their jobs. Almost nobody does that now. That tells you how useful IQ testing is in real-world scenarios. The main uses for IQ tests now is that you win if you fail the test tif you're a death row inmate; so exploiting a loophole in the law that says you can't execute people with low IQ (i.e. it's in there for arbitrary reasons), or if you want to join Mensa, the club for people who score highly on IQ tests. Neither of these uses actually requires IQ tests to have any sort of validity outside the test itself.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on November 10, 2020, 03:58:09 am
For instance, I have taken an official IQ test, scored quite high, and am a big idiot.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 10, 2020, 04:04:39 am
Okay, so, a ship's spine runs along her bottom, beneath the water level. But in vertebrates, the spine usually runs along the back, not down the belly. From this, we can conclude that a ship on the water is actually laying down on the water belly-up, like an otter floating on it's back, rather than belly-down like a swimming whale or turtle.
Damn it we've been using boats the wrong way the whole time!

am a big idiot.
Lies, I have yet to see anything to make me think that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 10, 2020, 08:09:33 am
I too scored pretty high that one time I took a free mensa, and I too am a moron. So I think this qualifies as a trend.

Okay, so, a ship's spine runs along her bottom, beneath the water level. But in vertebrates, the spine usually runs along the back, not down the belly. From this, we can conclude that a ship on the water is actually laying down on the water belly-up, like an otter floating on it's back, rather than belly-down like a swimming whale or turtle.

This, however, is genius.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on November 10, 2020, 01:45:05 pm
I've always been skeptical of IQ, but I've been a lot more adamant that intelligence is more complicated than a linear value ever since seeing Ben Carson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson_2016_presidential_campaign#History_of_ancient_Egypt). For anyone who forgot who he was, he's a famous brain surgeon who tanked his Presidential campaign insisting that the pyramids of Egypt are the grain silos built by Joseph in the Bible.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 10, 2020, 01:47:39 pm
Intelligence isn't that simple. Even DnD has three different mental stats which might be useful for doing smart things in different situations!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on November 11, 2020, 04:51:40 pm
Cheesecake is actually pie.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on November 11, 2020, 04:56:26 pm
Yup.  Piebald is typically a horse.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on November 11, 2020, 05:42:52 pm
Horses aren't typically bald.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 12, 2020, 02:28:28 am
Intelligence isn't that simple. Even DnD has three different mental stats which might be useful for doing smart things in different situations!

DnD's three mental stats are about as simple as you can make it and still represent the different aspects of mental ability. For example, Trump would have 18 Cha, 7 Int and 3 Wis.

EDIT: DnD probably lacks a trait for raw cunning. For example, Trump isn't particularly bright nor wise, but he's good at playing people. Charisma would be the trait for that, but Charisma describes Obama as much as it describes Trump, so it needs another dimension to it. Cunning would be a good name for that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on November 12, 2020, 04:00:27 pm
Isn't that just Int or Cha with Evil alignment?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 12, 2020, 04:26:05 pm
No I don't really think so, someone can be an evil genius but hopeless at interpersonal stuff, so high Int plus evil doesn't make you a manipulator. Consider a mad scientist who's the henchman of a supervillain for example. So high Int plus evil shouldn't mean you're automatically good at manipulating people.

As for the other traits, consider Trump as the example. He has a knack for exploiting people but would you say he's particularly wise or intelligent? So that leaves Cha as the trait to describe Trump, a single dimension. But does he really exude charm? I don't think so, so I think interpersonal traits need at least an extra dimension.

Int and Wis describe two sides of internal intelligence, so having two sides of interpersonal intelligence could help too. For example, Cha would be traditional Charisma, the natural ability to exude charm and influence people, but Cunning would work the other way, it would be the ability to "read" people. Someone with the Cunning trait would make up for a lack of charisma by using trickery, but they wouldn't necessarily have book-smarts intelligence or be wise like a priest.

As an example why I think the three-value system isn't sufficient consider someone based on the Dalai Lama archetype. They could have high Int, high Wis, high Cha, but they could also be naive about evil in others, so for example they take a chance on someone then that person betrays them. Should we say they lacked Wis then because they were fooled that way? the added "Cunning" trait would represent street smarts, cynicism, and the ability to detect ulterior motives. I think tacking all of these into Wis or something would limit the ability to tell different types of stories, for example a highly enlightened Zen Buddhist who took in a person who turns out to be evil and betrays them. It seems a little too reductionist to then say that the Buddhist must have been dumb or unwise then, unless all wise people are automatically distrusting cynics.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on November 12, 2020, 04:52:12 pm
Trump has high cha but put no skill points into bluff, diplomacy, or intimidate.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on November 13, 2020, 01:46:29 am
Maybe he has low cha, but maxed out bluff and uses it on himself and everyone else.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on November 13, 2020, 02:18:56 am
Maybe he has low cha, but maxed out bluff and uses it on himself and everyone else.

I think his main audience just has low wis/low sense motive/actually want to believe what he says (circumstance bonus).

Look how often his lies have many holes or fold under even basic scrutiny.  They aren't good lies, but with who a con man usually targets, they don't really have to be.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 14, 2020, 04:48:16 pm
Interesting how a president can cause people to think of more DND stats to add
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 14, 2020, 04:58:49 pm
The SPECIAL system has always been superior to DND's utilitarian 6-stat system.  For those who can't help but overthink things.

Because Wis and Cha are complete nonsense.  They're both willpower, but technically only WIS governs willpower saves in 3.5.  Charisma got a save in 5e, but every stat did.  If Charisma is force of ego, what is willpower?

Wisdom is Perception.  Accurately seeing the natural world, as a druid or ranger.  Tying it into divine casting is a stretch that makes me uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on November 14, 2020, 05:02:59 pm
Its the same way "Willpower" is considered an emotion according to Green Lanterns.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 14, 2020, 05:14:19 pm
Having played many divine casters, including a Favored Soul, I have to wonder how divine magic works in DND.

The implication is that it's about Wisdom.  Perception.
That means a cleric is someone who "observes the rituals", right?
No!
That is someone who perceives the rituals, and knows how they work.  And executes them properly.  In just the right way.
The Gods observe and bless us, but their gaze is divided.

That's how I justify Wisdom for divine casting.
A con.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 14, 2020, 05:22:16 pm
The SPECIAL system has always been superior to DND's utilitarian 6-stat system.  For those who can't help but overthink things.

Because Wis and Cha are complete nonsense.  They're both willpower, but technically only WIS governs willpower saves in 3.5.  Charisma got a save in 5e, but every stat did.  If Charisma is force of ego, what is willpower?

Wisdom is Perception.  Accurately seeing the natural world, as a druid or ranger.  Tying it into divine casting is a stretch that makes me uncomfortable.

Wisdom/Willpower is inwards/defensive willpower. Your sense of yourself.

Charisma is external willpower. The force you project on the world and others. They are as easily separateble as Strength and Constitution.

And wisdom isn't just perception. Yes, it covers your ability to use your senses. But it also covers, well, wisdom. To make a play with words -- not just the ability to sense the world but also to make sense of the world. The ability to come to greater understandings from smaller pieces.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 14, 2020, 05:26:24 pm
I understand where you're coming from.  I really do.  But this:
And wisdom isn't just perception. Yes, it covers your ability to use your senses. But it also covers, well, wisdom. To make a play with words -- not just the ability to sense the world but also to make sense of the world. The ability to come to greater understandings from smaller pieces.
That's intelligence.  That's what it means to take perception data and build a theory/law.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 14, 2020, 05:31:56 pm
Intelligence in dnd very often means "reading books and doing math". It is having access to information more than using that information, um, intelligently.
Though to be honest there's a lot left up to interpretation. Like most of dnd...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 14, 2020, 05:34:04 pm
Wisdom/Willpower is inwards/defensive willpower. Your sense of yourself.

Charisma is external willpower. The force you project on the world and others. They are as easily separateble as Strength and Constitution.
And this is also true.  Wis/willpower is the force of one's belief in their senses.  Some people don't trust their senses at all!  Other people keep a keen ear.

Charisma - I am not qualified, but I would say it is one's belief in ideas.
Which almost seems like a intelligence thing, but it very much isn't.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 14, 2020, 05:36:49 pm
Charisma saves are for when someone tries to banish you but instead you flip them the bird and scream FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 14, 2020, 05:38:21 pm
Charisma is external willpower. The force you project on the world and others. They are as easily separateble as Strength and Constitution.

And this is also true.  Wis/willpower is the force of one's belief in their senses.  Some people don't trust their senses at all!  Other people keep a keen ear.

Charisma - I am not qualified, but I would say it is one's belief in ideas.
Which almost seems like a intelligence thing, but it very much isn't.

Edit: also, something is really weird regarding posting. 
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on November 14, 2020, 06:46:55 pm
What is it? I was able to post normally.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 16, 2020, 08:27:45 am
The Pentium 4 exists in a limbo of obsolescence. Imagine a timeline with all the processors on it. To the left of it, you have the Pentium III, which is old enough to be considered retro. To the right of it, you have the legendary Core 2 series, which runs circles around the Pentium 4, and is nigh on compatible with any software that runs on a P4. When people want to play mid-to-late-2000s games on fully-compatible hardware, they always go for a Core 2. Never a P4.

This is why I use the Pentium 4 as the butt of jokes and as shorthand for "bad computer". It's an easy target, since it's been so overshadowed by its successor that no-one would be caught dead trying to defend this thing. It's joined the Hall of Room Heaters, right next to the AMD Bulldozer processors and the GTX 480.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on November 19, 2020, 07:55:49 am
It occurred to me earlier that the phrase "saints and sinners", while sounding like a diverse mix of goody-goody types and absolute cads, is actually such a broad term as to describe literally everyone. 'Cause the only people who aren't sinners are literal saints, right, and even most saints probably have sinned at least a little at some point.   
I don't know exactly where I've heard the term "saints and sinners" in the past, but I feel like it probably gets misused a fair bit.   


...That's all. I've had a few random thoughts lately that I woulda kinda liked to post here, but I haven't gotten around to signing into Bay12 on my phone yet and it requires effort to trek to my computer just to shitpost. So I guess I just forget them.   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 19, 2020, 08:20:20 am
Since I decided to optimize my pronouns to they/them (only for Bay12; I really don't think my parents and RL friends would accept that at all) to avoid the performance penalty of retrieving my gender, I've been toying around with the idea of disabling my gender entirely and becoming agender. It cuts out the middleman entirely, but then I'll have to emulate being male to people I don't trust. Homophobia and all that. Problem is, I think that would lead to a larger drop in performance, since the emulated gender would have an even longer access time than my current gender system. People use he/him on me too often for me to seriously consider dropping the gender thing entirely.

Yes, I did just say that I want to delete my gender identity all so that I can think even faster. I don't give a damn about gender expression, so I would still present as nominally masculine just because that's what I'm used to. I've removed most traces of gender in dealing with others (but I maintain a list of gender roles for compatibility), so I feel like it's about time I consider taking it a step further.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on November 19, 2020, 11:46:47 am
I don't think that's how my brain works. I don't really think about my gender unless it is needed for example despite knowing 100% I am female.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 19, 2020, 12:21:03 pm
Do you actually need to crank out faster brain performance for anything or are you just annoyed to waste thought on something you don't identify with?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 19, 2020, 01:05:38 pm
Why waste time say lot word when few words do trick?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 19, 2020, 01:20:56 pm
Sad lots humans think less word same du,b
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on November 19, 2020, 02:13:21 pm
Sad lots humans think less word same du,b

Many humans less words, Sad!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 19, 2020, 02:19:59 pm
Do acronym use mean less words?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 19, 2020, 04:11:04 pm
Do acronym use mean less words?

Too many less words not know what mean.

Quote
acronym

(short word good, long word bad).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 19, 2020, 04:12:54 pm
DOYL
Guess what acronym means. After each guess, I give hint
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 19, 2020, 04:15:22 pm
Do Over Your Life
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 19, 2020, 04:16:36 pm
Dwarves Only Yuse Lava
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 19, 2020, 04:18:31 pm
Do Over Your Life
DOYL
D=more letters, contraction
O=more letters, over is part of word
L=more letters, is alive
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on November 19, 2020, 04:22:31 pm
Don't overthink your llama
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 19, 2020, 04:43:05 pm
Don't overthink your llama
DOYL
O=more letters, t is in the word Overthink
L=one more letter, plural, name of plant, Llama
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on November 19, 2020, 04:51:37 pm
Don’t overcount your lilacs
Don’t overwater your limes
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 19, 2020, 05:30:13 pm
Don’t overcount your lilacs
Don’t overwater_ _ _ your limes
O=3 more letters, the w needs to be a different consonant, the three missing letters appear in the word here, the letter w needs to be is in the answer on another section
L=one more letter, another plant in the Citrus genus
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 19, 2020, 06:01:23 pm
Do you actually need to crank out faster brain performance for anything or are you just annoyed to waste thought on something you don't identify with?

To be fair, I don't particularly care about my gender. It's mostly an extraneous thing to me, and it takes around 10 years in brain-time to fetch it because it's fallen so low in the memory hierarchy. I'd be happy to eliminate it altogether. In some ways, it is because I don't wish to identify with it, but I also realized the potential in it as a way to optimize my brain even further. I'm conflicted.

Brainspeed is just as important to me as removing extraneous things from my self-identity, and usually, those two goals are aligned. But now I'm in a situation where I'm picking between self-identity and brainspeed. I don't even really know why I'm trying to achieve higher and higher brainspeeds through optimizing the hell out of myself anymore. It was there to crank out performance when I need to (partially) emulate a normal person. I still need it. When my medication drunkens me, the emulation accuracy starts dropping and it becomes harder and harder to push out coherent responses to things people say.

I need the power, but do I really need that much power? But what will I do if I'm not doing that? I think I need a better hobby than trying to overclock my brain all the time. It would be healthier.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on November 19, 2020, 06:02:15 pm
Don't overlaterate your lemons.

Keep 'em nice and vertical.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 19, 2020, 06:36:48 pm
Don't overlaterate your lemons.

Keep 'em nice and vertical.
Only the L in overlaterate needs to be changed. You are verrry close
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on November 19, 2020, 06:49:38 pm
Don’t oversaturate your lemons?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 19, 2020, 07:03:35 pm
Don’t oversaturate your lemons?
Ding ding ding
Winner!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on November 19, 2020, 07:04:56 pm
I thought that, but "oversaturate" has a 'u'!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 19, 2020, 07:08:40 pm
Quote
Do you actually need to crank out faster brain performance for anything or are you just annoyed to waste thought on something you don't identify with?

To be fair, I don't particularly care about my gender. It's mostly an extraneous thing to me, and it takes around 10 years in brain-time to fetch it because it's fallen so low in the memory hierarchy. I'd be happy to eliminate it altogether. In some ways, it is because I don't wish to identify with it, but I also realized the potential in it as a way to optimize my brain even further. I'm conflicted.

Brainspeed is just as important to me as removing extraneous things from my self-identity, and usually, those two goals are aligned. But now I'm in a situation where I'm picking between self-identity and brainspeed. I don't even really know why I'm trying to achieve higher and higher brainspeeds through optimizing the hell out of myself anymore. It was there to crank out performance when I need to (partially) emulate a normal person. I still need it. When my medication drunkens me, the emulation accuracy starts dropping and it becomes harder and harder to push out coherent responses to things people say.

I need the power, but do I really need that much power? But what will I do if I'm not doing that? I think I need a better hobby than trying to overclock my brain all the time. It would be healthier.
The important thing is that we're free to to both acknoledge what we are, and also
1 finger death punch
Everything that life throws at us.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 19, 2020, 07:26:47 pm
I thought that, but "oversaturate" has a 'u'!
whoops, sorry
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on November 22, 2020, 04:33:48 am
C:DDA is legit harder to learn than DF. I'm trying.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 22, 2020, 04:40:30 am
I had the opposite experience because I tried fortress mode several times and every time I end up giving up after a bit because I can't figure stuff out, but I found C:DDA easy to play. I can't speak about the newer versions where they added a bunch of shit that makes the game slower and less fun as I only play an old version.

Which parts of the game are you having trouble with?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on November 22, 2020, 04:46:16 am
Well I mostly played adventure mode in DF and found it easy enough.

I'm finding just... Surviving hard. Hard to explain. I'll read up on more guides I guess.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 22, 2020, 04:58:18 am
If a thing that can produce video output (computers, oscilloscopes, Task Manager...) exists, it will have a version of Bad Apple made for it.

If you go down the rabbithole of the demoscene, you will eventually hit a version of Bad Apple.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on November 22, 2020, 05:04:33 am
I actually prefer the newer versions.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 22, 2020, 05:15:13 am
Well I mostly played adventure mode in DF and found it easy enough.

I'm finding just... Surviving hard. Hard to explain. I'll read up on more guides I guess.
Adventure mode is what I play as well.

Also if you have trouble surviving have you tried picking a start that has you away from town at the start to give you some time to find or craft better weapons and armour without having to worry about zombies showing up.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 22, 2020, 10:23:05 am
If a thing that can produce video output (computers, oscilloscopes, Task Manager...) exists, it will have a version of Bad Apple made for it.

If you go down the rabbithole of the demoscene, you will eventually hit a version of Bad Apple.

Here's the amazingly wrong coverage of Bad Apple by CNN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJcQr0OrQQ

Someone made a version by printing every shot on cardboard then animating that with stop-motion, CNN covers the Bad Apple thing going viral, then shows the stop-motion version as "here's how they made it". No mention of Touhou being a thing of course, just one of the co-hosts mentions she doesn't get it but the kids like this stuff, more or less. Yeah, of course you wouldn't get something if you didn't know it was from other things.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on November 23, 2020, 02:26:28 pm
the amazingly wrong coverage of Bad Apple by CNN
(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/cowboybebopclip14.jpg)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 23, 2020, 07:07:50 pm
Now that I think of it, the fact that I was dragging my feet trying to recall my gender (back when I thought I was male) should've been a sign that something was off. People don't deliberately take eons to retrieve their gender without them being unhappy with it. I'm surprised it took me this long.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 23, 2020, 07:34:13 pm
Shrug
Self-knowledge is really hard, actually.
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Post by: KittyTac on November 24, 2020, 03:31:55 am
Alright, I think I "got" CDDA.

I have to look things up sometimes, though. Like where to find tarpaulin or how to trian survival past level 3.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 24, 2020, 08:46:31 pm
Every time I think of MTBF (mean time before failure), I keep thinking of MDBTF (My Dark Beautiful Twisted Fantasy), and vice versa. One of these is a term to describe the reliability of systems, the other's an album by Kanye West. Very different terms semantically, yet my peanut brain has merged them into the same entry. It takes conscious effort to differentiate the two in my head.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 24, 2020, 10:32:14 pm
Their acronyms are similar, I can see why they might be associated, maybe your brain likes working with acronyms
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on November 24, 2020, 10:43:00 pm
Brains like reading whole words at once. Regnrenatamers of lrteets indsie the word not at the fnrot or bcak can siltl be cntonceed to the oginrial wrod, so acronyms that are similar like that tend to seem alike sometimes.

(I wrote a quick python snippet to do that, btw.)

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 25, 2020, 02:36:05 am
Makes sense. It's still funny when my brain's internal voice blurts out something like "Oh yeah, my favorite album is Mean Time Before Failure." My entire execution unit stalls for quite a few cycles as I try to figure out what just happened, but it's worth the chuckle.

I'm actually misremembering it quite subtly, MTBF is actually "mean time between failures". If any woomeisters want to claim Mandela effect, here you go! It's an inconsequential thing to misremember (both mean about the same thing to the uninitiated), and it's not like I'm any sort of reliability expert, so it's prime Mandela effect material.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 25, 2020, 07:33:29 pm
I think a few false positives here and there are the price for being able to associate stuff in the first place. For example, if you were able to engineer a person who would never make that wrong association under any circumstances, then what would that look like? They might lack the ability to make inferences at all, if there was any "signal noise" or mismatch between the inputs, only understanding that two things are connected if they're literally the same. They'd be a very frustrating person to talk to, possibly coming across as a person with deep autism or other learning disabilities.

A lot of the platonic ideals of "perfect cognition", such as impeccable perfect recall, would in fact be crippling in other ways. There are a number of people with extra-good recall and many of them are unemployable and receiving disability support, mostly as a result of the fact that they're wrecks of people because any slight trauma from years ago never fades. That's a downside of perfect recall that people don't consider - that you have perfect recall of trauma and emotions as well as facts, dates, times. It's just unreasonable to expect perfect recall to be perfectly compartmentalized so there's no downside to that. The brain has finite processing power even if you have 'infinite' memory capacity, so having all your previous experiences unfiltered is actually crippling, since you can't actually discard bad or harmful information. It basically makes you more like a walking card catalogue than what we think a healthy person should be, again, you see this in autism.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on November 25, 2020, 11:35:47 pm
Not all autism is like that. I have autism and I don’t have perfect recall and can make associations
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on November 25, 2020, 11:44:47 pm
My powerful autism memory is devoted to the cringe of my past and various mechanics of random board and video games.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 25, 2020, 11:59:47 pm
I know I have good memory in some places (ask me about computing, that's a real doozy), but I think I've left very little space for anything else. I think there's, like, 5 bytes and 2 CPU cycles left in here. There's very little redundancy in this brain of mine, so the error rate is high. I've sorta turned it into an art form, using the errors to come up with the strange nonsense that I think, so it all works out, I guess.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Reelya on November 26, 2020, 12:01:31 am
Not all autism is like that. I have autism and I don’t have perfect recall and can make associations

I never said it was. I just said people with that type of recall are generally autistic.

This is basic Aristotelian logic (https://criticalthinkeracademy.com/courses/propositional-logic/lectures/751630). the statement "all people with beards are men" doesn't imply "all men have beards". Similarly, saying that all people with Trait X would be considered autistic does not actually imply that all autistic people have Trait X.

It's not hard to find examples of autistic savants, which is what I was referring to. But ... this doesn't imply ALL autistic people have those savant skills, and I really wasn't implying they do.

https://www.agnesian.com/blog/giftedness-and-autism-savant-skill-fact-sheet

Savants tend to have a "perfect" skill in some way, perfect recall, perfect ability to copy something. But ... they lack the generalization ability. So my point is that you cannot actually gain those "perfect" skills without giving up most of the other things.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on November 26, 2020, 12:11:00 am
The general public/media tends to portray the autistic as either powerful rainman savants, or drooling down's syndrome victims incapable of independent living.  Considering most on the spectrum are fairly unnoteworthy in terms of these extremes, such assumptions can get rather grating.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 27, 2020, 09:35:04 pm
You know, one of the few places Intel wins over AMD's Ryzen 5000 series is DF, and even then, it's only definitive in longer worldgens, and it wins by a tiny margin.
(https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16220/119137.png)

Spoiler: Meanwhile... (click to show/hide)

I smell a potential sponsorship. /s
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Post by: feelotraveller on November 28, 2020, 03:44:14 am
The remarkable one for me on that list is the AMD Ryzen 5 5600x, performs pretty well, pretty cheap, and low enough wattage that it can be run hard without generating too much heat.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on December 02, 2020, 12:42:13 am
You know, "dude" is gender-neutral, may as well make "bro" gender-neutral, "guy" gender-neutral, "man" gender-neutral... fuck it, everything's gender-neutral now in my mind. Can't get misgendered if you just redefine all the terms to be gender-neutral. The only thing I want to enforce is they/them pronouns, and even then... giving a shit isn't quite in my nature.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on December 02, 2020, 05:27:48 am
I recently had someone (of the feminine variety) claim that "man" was in and of itself a derogatory term in modern parlance, where any mention of "man" or "men" by a woman has an intrinsically negative leaning to it, whereas the likable examples of the gender are referred to by other terms such as "guy".


This was in response to my stating that I felt somewhat uncomfortable when listening to her talk about how men are trash/disgusting/awful. She clarified by stating the above, and that since I'm not a horrible person I am in fact not a man, but rather a good guy.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 02, 2020, 07:03:56 am
I'm not sure if you've heard this before meth but "man" was originally actually a gender neutral term, just meaning "human".  Back then you'd add genders on to the man, were-man (male-human) and wyf-man (female-human) when you needed to. Were can still be found in for example werewolf and wyf in the form of wife.

Man changed to just meaning male over time, in my mind likely because of the influence of Latin-brand sexism, linguistic and cultural.

That's the reason why, say, "mankind% is still synonymous to "all humankind", though, and not just "male-kind". It's one of the places where the original gender neutral usage has survived.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on December 09, 2020, 07:27:08 am
If I were to split hairs a little, the way I implemented being agender is by writing "NULL" to the gender identity fields. That technically would qualify as "nullgender", if such a thing exists. Means nothing to me, since, like a poorly-written program, my brain thinks null = 0 by default, and it accomplishes the "I refuse to give a shit about my gender, so it is (the conjoined concept of nonexistent-zero)" thing that I wanted to pull off just as well.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on December 09, 2020, 08:29:15 am
I'm going to be ... well hopefully not misconstrued as being too insensitive or something. This is all personal opinion and my observation.

Part of the problem with gender terms is somewhere the line between sex, gender, and sexuality has been lost in some of modern culture.  'Male' and 'female' are sexes (genetic/physical).  'Masculine' and 'feminine' are genders (cultural/behavioral/preference).  You can be a feminine male who is attracted to women.  You can be a masculine female attracted to males and females.  You can be a feminine female who isn't particularly attracted to anyone.  You can be a masculine male who is attracted to masculine females, but not feminine females.

My "aged" viewpoint is that these words were enough, and I'm confused as to why we had to invent new ones that a large part of the population doesn't know.  This gets into where social conflict arises:

If you present yourself in appearance and behavior in line with the cultural expectations of, say, a masculine male and someone for the first time refers to you as 'he', you can't get bent out of shape.  I'd also say expectations that people are going to be able to overcome years of neural training to remember not only your name but new pronoun is not very realistic (that is, most people have a hard enough time remembering someone's name after a brief meeting, now you have to remember name+pronoun pairs? It's extra mental resources that most humans just don't have).  So for this case, I'm all for the concept of more neutral pronouns.  But what I'm not in support of is people being able to present as one stereotype but demand that people refer to them as belonging to another group - because this is basically setting people up for failure.  If you identify as an Apple fan but carry nothing around but Windows and Android gear, how would anyone ever know?

Also incidentally I don't think it's possible to have "no" cultural gender.  Society has basically put all types of human behavior on the masculine/feminine scale.  So you can be somewhere in the middle on that scale, or you can have a mix of traits that span the whole scale, but I don't think that makes you without gender - it just makes you not strongly masculine or feminine.  Just as in those personality tests for being extroverts or introverts - you may not be introverted or extroverted, but you still have a personality.  So I think you do still have a gender - it just doesn't fit in the nice pulldown categories.  It's not "null" - it's "none of the above."
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 09, 2020, 11:05:57 am
Sounds agender, like me.  Well, I think it's like me - when I dream I'm often genderfluid, and when I have to interact with people I often "put on" a gender, but it feels like... heh, this is a tired analogy people use, but it holds up:  It feels like wearing an irritating, ill-fitting mask.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on December 09, 2020, 12:44:48 pm
So honest question - what does "gender fluid" mean to you? Does it mean you take on the role/aspect of any "gender" and switch between them easily?  Does this mean switching behavior, wardrobe/appearance, speech patterns?  I guess I'm asking - how does it manifest?  What do you associate with being on one end of the feminine vs masculine scale versus the other?

I mean I consider myself to be a 'man', and I'm physically male, and I am attracted sexually to physical females.  If I'm honest though I can't tell you exactly what makes that different from being a 'woman' aside from fundamental physical characteristics and cultural norms.  Maybe what I'm asking is - can you even talk about 'gender' outside the context of a larger culture in the first place?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 09, 2020, 01:35:39 pm
So honest question - what does "gender fluid" mean to you? Does it mean you take on the role/aspect of any "gender" and switch between them easily?  Does this mean switching behavior, wardrobe/appearance, speech patterns?
That seems like a decent description of gender fluidity, yeah.  I'm not genderfluid because it's definitely not easy for me, it's actually pretty stressful.  It's hard to describe - it's not as simple as being misgendered in a conversation and immediately feeling bad.  It comes from spending a pleasant day with my dad, then wanting to... never see anyone again for a few days.  Because I'm not right.  A deep exhaustion, irritation, and general depression.

That's the cost of the mask.

Dreams are different because in dreams I'm different people, so that's fine.  It's actually very pleasant and recharging!  Sometimes I'm a guy, sometimes I'm a gal, often I'm neither and it's all fine because I'm not me.

Edit:  Agh, see, maybe that means I *am* genderfluid but I'm just held back by this wrong body.  I honestly don't know.  I'm just thankful that I don't have to wear gender everywhere.  And I don't know exactly what that means - mostly it just means people willing to acknowledge that I'm not a guy.  It's not like my actual behavior changes much, but I'm able to... relax, and not worry about certain expectations :)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on December 09, 2020, 06:19:55 pm
If you present yourself in appearance and behavior in line with the cultural expectations of, say, a masculine male and someone for the first time refers to you as 'he', you can't get bent out of shape.  I'd also say expectations that people are going to be able to overcome years of neural training to remember not only your name but new pronoun is not very realistic (that is, most people have a hard enough time remembering someone's name after a brief meeting, now you have to remember name+pronoun pairs? It's extra mental resources that most humans just don't have).  So for this case, I'm all for the concept of more neutral pronouns.  But what I'm not in support of is people being able to present as one stereotype but demand that people refer to them as belonging to another group - because this is basically setting people up for failure.  If you identify as an Apple fan but carry nothing around but Windows and Android gear, how would anyone ever know?

I mean, it's sorta one of those instances where it's important to remember gender identity is something you give to yourself. It's your identity, not anyone else's. Me, I don't care if you call me a boy if you saw me out in public and I didn't introduce myself to you. If that's who you think I am, then I guess... that's what I look like? I don't really care. To me, I'm happy enough that I can call myself agender, and no-one can take that away from me. I'd prefer they/them, of course, but I don't really expect that of people, as a general rule. People are often disappointing and unreliable, and I see no reason why they won't be as such when dealing with pronouns.

I think Rolan once said that most nonbinary people don't care that much about pronouns, so I don't think I'm unique in holding such an opinion. It's hard to quantify what proportion of nonbinary people flip their shit at being referred to with gendered pronouns by strangers (it's another thing if it was friends or family), but I don't imagine it to be particularly large. I can't imagine that the people who do get offended are particularly pleasant to deal with. Even if it was people you trust... I don't believe it's worth it to get worked up over such an error. There are better things in life than your pronouns.

I dunno, maybe I'm just a hard person to offend. I'd still recommend trying to respect people's pronouns, just out of decency, but I can see why you'd want to make assumptions about the gender of others based on their looks. It was an easy assumption to make, and frankly, it's still a good assumption to make for most people. Nonbinary people and those whose looks do not conform to their gender identity are a small minority.

Quote from: McTraveller
Also incidentally I don't think it's possible to have "no" cultural gender.  Society has basically put all types of human behavior on the masculine/feminine scale.  So you can be somewhere in the middle on that scale, or you can have a mix of traits that span the whole scale, but I don't think that makes you without gender - it just makes you not strongly masculine or feminine.  Just as in those personality tests for being extroverts or introverts - you may not be introverted or extroverted, but you still have a personality.  So I think you do still have a gender - it just doesn't fit in the nice pulldown categories.  It's not "null" - it's "none of the above."

There's a basis of "I don't care, and I refuse to care" when it comes to my approach to gender. It's not that far of a jump for me. In 2016, I fucked up so hard, that I had to tear down my brain and rebuild it from the ground up. One of the things that I identified as "wrong" is that I was a bit of a creep when it came to girls (blame sexual attraction, that uncontrollable beast). So then, I was like "What if I just treated people the same regardless of gender?". So I did. Tore apart any gendered structures, and stopped caring about other people's genders.

And, you wanna know something, it works. Ignoring gender outright means that you have to talk to people as people. There are a few instances where I trip up because of this. Just last night, some girls called me to borrow my bicycle pump, so I offered to let them pick up the pump at my room. Problem is, I completely forgot they were girls, and that girls are not allowed near the boys' dorms, so then they asked me to wait outside, near the dorms. But other than those few instances, people in general respect you more if you treat them as people, rather than merely things to get attracted to. Eliminating gender is just how I do it. At least, that how I see it. Maybe it's just my better social skills that helped me, and I'm misattributing things.

But if you say "oh, other peoples' gender doesn't matter", then at some point, you have to ask yourself "does my gender matter?". And that led to me changing my gender to "null", because I refuse to give a shit about gender. The idea of calling myself a man didn't feel right to me, because that would mean that I actually care, which is patently false.

So yeah, I suppose it is a "none of the above" situation, but then again, I refuse to care. I don't like the idea of searching around for a gender that "suits" me. Too boring. There's better things in life. Erasing it and saying "alright, I don't have a gender" is just the fastest way of symbolizing that I don't care.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 10, 2020, 06:34:19 pm
I'd only add that intent matters a lot.  I don't care what I get called in public, it's not like I'm wearing (obvious) markers in meatspace.  It isn't some employee's fault that company policy is to call everyone "sir" or "m'am" and I honestly don't take any offense from it.

I've had some in-depth conversations with my mom about gender roles, and my dreams.  And I specifically haven't asked her to use they/them with me because we're already on the same wavelength.  I feel seen and respected (and learned a lot about her as well!)

Whereas my dad just...  Well, he's often anti-PC on purpose, out of clear insecurity, so I give him all the patience I can muster on that front.  But it's *draining*, and I've taken several hiatuses from communicating with him.  It really does get to me, sometimes.  Despite everything, I care what he thinks, and he *thinks* he gets to tell me what my gender is to my face.  Not to mention who I *actually* want to sleep with.

I think he actually sees how patient I am with that bullcrap, though, and he's patient with me in kind.  Relationships are complicated.

But I refuse to accept that shit from peers.  Family and honest mistakes get a pass, but I take offense to being intentionally gendered.  I'm not going to "freak out" though, any more than being called a slur.
I've lost "friends" over this and I don't ever regret that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 11, 2020, 12:35:56 am
I'm going to be ... well hopefully not misconstrued as being too insensitive or something. This is all personal opinion and my observation.
Asking questions and sharing viewpoints is always okay, in good faith.  You're fine!
Part of the problem with gender terms is somewhere the line between sex, gender, and sexuality has been lost in some of modern culture.  'Male' and 'female' are sexes (genetic/physical).  'Masculine' and 'feminine' are genders (cultural/behavioral/preference).  You can be a feminine male who is attracted to women.  You can be a masculine female attracted to males and females.  You can be a feminine female who isn't particularly attracted to anyone.  You can be a masculine male who is attracted to masculine females, but not feminine females.
This is true to some extent.  "butch" women and "camp" men do exist.  But there are others.  Some people experience intense gender dysphoria in adolescence.  They don't just rebel against the cultural norms expected of them, they face constant discomfort with their bodies.

My personal experience includes a confused and repressed form of that.
My "aged" viewpoint is that these words were enough, and I'm confused as to why we had to invent new ones that a large part of the population doesn't know.  This gets into where social conflict arises:
Can you say, with certainty, what my genitals are?
Sure, you can make an educated guess based on what I've shared.
But would you casually drop that guess in normal conversation?

If we met on the street, would you look at me and guess at my genitals, and then emphasize them as we spoke?
No.

I mean this gently:  Gender is a *social* construct.  It is literally just presentation.  Nothing more, nothing less.
And there are separate words which describe sexual characteristics.
(and even those require more nuance when we talk about intersex people)

If you present yourself in appearance and behavior in line with the cultural expectations of, say, a masculine male and someone for the first time refers to you as 'he', you can't get bent out of shape.
Exactly!  It's all about presentation.
  I'd also say expectations that people are going to be able to overcome years of neural training to remember not only your name but new pronoun is not very realistic (that is, most people have a hard enough time remembering someone's name after a brief meeting, now you have to remember name+pronoun pairs? It's extra mental resources that most humans just don't have).  So for this case, I'm all for the concept of more neutral pronouns. 
Mood.  I have so much trouble remembering peoples' names, and sometimes their pronouns.  It happens.
It's okay.  I mean, eh- it's a social faux pas, and sometimes it really damages peoples' feelings, but it's your intent that matters.
But what I'm not in support of is people being able to present as one stereotype but demand that people refer to them as belonging to another group - because this is basically setting people up for failure.  If you identify as an Apple fan but carry nothing around but Windows and Android gear, how would anyone ever know?
I'm responding to this same idea again because it bears repeating:  It's okay to get someone wrong.  It's probably not your fault.  In my experience, people are understanding - you think trans people, a persecuted class in America, want to start shit on the street?  We die every day from such misunderstandings.
Also incidentally I don't think it's possible to have "no" cultural gender.  Society has basically put all types of human behavior on the masculine/feminine scale.  So you can be somewhere in the middle on that scale, or you can have a mix of traits that span the whole scale, but I don't think that makes you without gender - it just makes you not strongly masculine or feminine.  Just as in those personality tests for being extroverts or introverts - you may not be introverted or extroverted, but you still have a personality.  So I think you do still have a gender - it just doesn't fit in the nice pulldown categories.  It's not "null" - it's "none of the above."
That's an interesting and nuanced take, unironically.  My personal understanding of nonbinary could probably apply to almost anyone, as it's pretty much "not being beholden to either of the two (modern) (local state) understandings of gender".  But I tend to over-empathize (sic).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on December 11, 2020, 07:24:05 pm
Every time I say something about something sufficiently complex, there's always multiple possible narratives that I could be pushing. I just choose whichever one feels best at the time. Of course, I don't think this makes it inherently inconsistent; the common thing holding these narratives together is that they must all converge to the same conclusion.

But then there's this feeling of regret(?) that develops a few days after posting, where it's like "Oh, I could've said it this way, and it would've produced these insights". I don't think I could wait; I get so fixated on one particular narrative that I can't see any others. But then I hit "post", and all the other possible narratives hit me like a fucking tsunami. Editing might work, but I'm not sure if there's much benefit to that, and it might add bloat to a post, making it hard to read.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 11, 2020, 09:20:13 pm
I mean this gently:  Gender is a *social* construct.  It is literally just presentation.  Nothing more, nothing less.
And there are separate words which describe sexual characteristics.
(and even those require more nuance when we talk about intersex people)
This isn't quite right.  Gender *is* a social construct, but it's personal identity.  Not just outward presentation.  As well I know, I guess.
My point that it's okay to make honest mistakes stands, though.  As long as they're honest.

Edit1: It's kinda like having someone call you by a nickname you don't like.  Even when you ask them to stop.  That's disrespect for no benefit to them.
Edit2:
I mean, it's sorta one of those instances where it's important to remember gender identity is something you give to yourself. It's your identity, not anyone else's. Me, I don't care if you call me a boy if you saw me out in public and I didn't introduce myself to you. If that's who you think I am, then I guess... that's what I look like? I don't really care. To me, I'm happy enough that I can call myself agender, and no-one can take that away from me. I'd prefer they/them, of course, but I don't really expect that of people, as a general rule. People are often disappointing and unreliable, and I see no reason why they won't be as such when dealing with pronouns.
Just... that.  Total agreement.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 12, 2020, 09:16:18 am
I'm responding to this same idea again because it bears repeating:  It's okay to get someone wrong.  It's probably not your fault.  In my experience, people are understanding - you think trans people, a persecuted class in America, want to start shit on the street?  We die every day from such misunderstandings.

I was going to joke earlier -- the only people likely to be aggressively offended by an earnest mistake are certain kinds of people that only exist on the internet
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on December 13, 2020, 07:56:12 am
The scariest phrase that my brain can say to itself is "you might have a crush on that person". It's some spooky shit, and it's uncertain. If the answer ends up being "yes", it gets even scarier. How will I be able to speak neutrally about and around this person again? I hate having crushes on people, they make my brain go all weird around them.

Only consolation is that the mean time between crushes is around 2 years per crush. If I do, though... I feel sorry for them.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on December 14, 2020, 12:21:17 pm
In Norway, having a beef with someone is generally a positive experience.
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Post by: TamerVirus on December 14, 2020, 12:22:08 pm
In Norway, having a beef with someone is generally a positive experience.
Don't have a cow, man
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on December 14, 2020, 04:54:14 pm
In Norway, having a beef with someone is generally a positive experience.

Unfortunately, having a crush on someone is a bit more dangerous.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on December 14, 2020, 05:15:41 pm
The scariest phrase that my brain can say to itself is "you might have a crush on that person". It's some spooky shit, and it's uncertain. If the answer ends up being "yes", it gets even scarier. How will I be able to speak neutrally about and around this person again? I hate having crushes on people, they make my brain go all weird around them.

Only consolation is that the mean time between crushes is around 2 years per crush. If I do, though... I feel sorry for them.

Same, seems like every time I get feelings for someone I end up hurting myself.  Nowadays the thought of "that person's cute" is often immediately followed by "...but they wouldn't ever like me".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on December 18, 2020, 08:14:47 pm
If I'm understanding my architecture correctly, the appearance center (which allows me to judge the appearance of people) is targeted at other people. There's very little bandwidth from the visual system to Appearance, so it's typically very slow. You'd be lucky to get a single sentence out of me if you asked me to state how you look. It's around one symbol (encoding one concept) per 5 seconds. That's the data rate I'm dealing with.

There is a loopback path for Appearance so that I can judge myself, but somehow it's even more bandwidth-starved. It's like something's blocking it. I look at myself in the mirror, and I think really hard to judge how I look, and all I get is "fatal error: bandwidth starvation". It's probably at least one of reluctance, not caring, (both of which will constrain bandwidth) or it's literally broken. I'm not sure which one(s) it is.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on December 19, 2020, 03:16:10 am
Brains aren't computers, actually. :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on December 19, 2020, 03:54:44 am
Yeah, but the underlying concept is there.
There's a thought dam at Appearance. It slows down my ability to judge other people's appearances to a crawl. Then, there's a second thought dam in the loopback path, slowing down my own judgements of my own appearance to a crawl of a crawl. In the time it takes me to come up with one word for my appearance, I could've been thinking a thousand other thoughts.

It's maddening how slow it is. Is it reluctance? Is it about not caring? Do I hate what I look like so much that I refuse to think about it?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on December 24, 2020, 08:56:35 am
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on December 24, 2020, 09:02:56 am
Was talking with a fellow in the Canadian military, and he posted a screenshot of when his phone was informing him that the current brisk morning weather was (with wind chill factored in) -63c

...which is quite a bit more than "plenty cold", in my opinion :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on December 24, 2020, 10:04:56 am
I feel that with 80s computers, there's this tendency for music composed on it to have this "bleep-bloop" sound, which I'll define as "Bleep-Bloop Syndrome". I'm no expert on anything, but I believe that that distinctive sound is partially the result of most sound chips having square waves and maybe one channel for noise, as well as programmers not knowing how to sustain notes to produce chords and such. Very staccato sound. No long sustained notes.

Most sound chips of the time (SID, POKEY, AY-3-8910) have the potential to go past that. Sorry ZX Spectrum 48K and OG IBM PC*, that statement doesn't apply unless you do some black magic to push PWM through the one beeper. Either way, I don't particularly know why Bleep-Bloop Syndrome is so prevalent, especially in games released earlier in the platforms' lifetime. Is it legitimately hard to write music that doesn't sound like bleeps and bloops on these things? I was born in an era where computers can push out 16-bit, 44.1 KHz PCM willy-nilly; forgive me for my naivete.

*Seriously, check out 8088 MPH (https://youtu.be/yHXx3orN35Y), the first two songs in that demo are a tour de force of Bleep-Bloop Syndrome, and listening to it inspired me to type this opinion out.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on December 31, 2020, 06:32:42 am
The power level system in Shadow of War depicts the overall strength of an individual uruk as an abstract number, changes to which have a very real and tangible effect on that orc's sturdiness and abilities.

While the level does increase from common "XP" sources such as defeating worthy foes, it also can increase after successfully hosting a feast, or be decreased by publicly shaming the uruk with a mark on their face.

The handwave of "tricksy elf magicks" can explain why the shaming decreases their physical might, but it does not account for why they can increase in power from successful parties and the like. I would like to put forth the hypothesis that an orc's power level is directly tied into the opinion and awe of his fellow uruks.


But how can popularity cause an individual to become perceptibly stronger and undergo direct physical changes? Simple.

The orcs of Mordor are connected to the WAAAGH!. Ergo, what their fellow orcs believe to be the truth about an individual becomes the truth of that individual.

I have spoken.

EDIT: I have also posted in the wrong thread. Goddamnit.

I blame this year for my lack of reading comprehension when looking at which thread I was posting in.

2020 vision got me bad.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Caz on December 31, 2020, 07:07:58 am
The scariest phrase that my brain can say to itself is "you might have a crush on that person". It's some spooky shit, and it's uncertain. If the answer ends up being "yes", it gets even scarier. How will I be able to speak neutrally about and around this person again? I hate having crushes on people, they make my brain go all weird around them.

Only consolation is that the mean time between crushes is around 2 years per crush. If I do, though... I feel sorry for them.

Same, seems like every time I get feelings for someone I end up hurting myself.  Nowadays the thought of "that person's cute" is often immediately followed by "...but they wouldn't ever like me".

Best way to deal with it imo is to nip it in the bud by asking them out. Then let them reveal all their flaws so that you realise being attracted to them was a mistake in the first place :P Or, you both realise eachother to be actually quite nice and there's a happy ending. Bonus!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on December 31, 2020, 02:50:04 pm
Or you get rejected...
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Post by: King Zultan on January 01, 2021, 04:03:54 am
Or friend zoned?
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Post by: Frumple on January 01, 2021, 03:57:09 pm
I have ascertained with certainty that Puppalupagus is the perfect name for a dog.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 01, 2021, 10:43:12 pm
Putting "dynamic" before anything makes it automatically cooler.


I think it's difficult to say at what point a person is considered androgynous. Every person has their own idea of masculinity and femininity, and it varies quite a bit. On top of that, most people (me included) tend to classify towards one or the other. Hitting that 50:50 point is difficult.

It's like there's a ball and a hill in the center of the gender expression spectrum. Unless you place the ball just right, it rolls towards one of the ends. Then consider that the position of that hill is shifted by some random amount for any given person, and it's real hard to look androgynous to everyone.

I'm not saying it's pointless to want to look like that. I'm just wondering if it's possible for a character on a show to look and sound androgynous to a general audience without having some go "I think that looks like a boy" and some go "Nah, that's a girl". Best you can do is have 50% say they're masculine, and 50% say they're feminine. Pretty much the BBC's way of being neutral; tune the articles until 50% say there's left-wing bias and 50% say there's right-wing bias.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: HmH on January 02, 2021, 03:54:37 pm
A division by sex is so engendered in the culture that it'd be really hard to create and represent a truly androgynous character.
Even if you explicitly state that they have no sex or gender, people will still subconsciously look for minor cues in the way they are written that indicate masculinity or femininity.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on January 02, 2021, 04:31:40 pm
An androgynos person is not, to me, a person who is neither masculine or feminine. It is a person who exudes both femininity and masculinity.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on January 02, 2021, 07:49:10 pm
I don't think there is one definition.  Such is the limitation of language.

*I* like scriver's definition.  But other people who are androgynous may not.  Someone who aspires to be both masculine and feminine is, hm, alien to me.  But they do exist and I support their existence, and we together fight against the traditional gender roles of modern society.

The important thing is that people be allowed to express themselves and not be hurt for challenging the status quo.  We seek to change that status quo to not label us as monsters.  That's all I want.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 06, 2021, 05:47:04 am
In a talk about a demoscene programmer's motivations for using limited hardware (https://youtu.be/9ZNjB5jmHdE) (relevant portion (https://youtu.be/9ZNjB5jmHdE?t=728)), I heard that the digger wasp gets a dead insect (like a grasshopper), digs a hole, goes into the hole, gets out, then grabs the grasshopper, then pulls it into the hole. Apparently, if you mess with the wasp by moving the grasshopper while it's in the hole, it thinks something has gone wrong (missing grasshopper), and it literally goes back into the hole. You move the grasshopper again while it's in the hole yet again, it still thinks something has gone wrong, and it resets back to going back into the hole. You can do this over, and over, and over, and that wasp doesn't suspect a thing.

There's a finite state machine here (to my understanding). It's an honest-to-god state machine, and it's hardcoded into the brains of all the digger wasps. I'm wondering, when we're not actively thinking about something, how much of the human brain is just a large collection of state machines, encoding the sequence of steps taken to do something? There's a lot of instances where I've been that wasp, being repeatedly tricked by having the grasshopper being moved by an outside force, and I'm just oblivious to that trickery.

Is the human brain not itself just a gigantic state machine capable (to itself; depends on whether you believe in free will) of manipulating other state machines simpler (for some arbitrary definition of "simple") than itself?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on January 06, 2021, 05:57:05 am
This is an interesting question, also I didn’t know about digger wasps before, I’m curious why the digger wasp goes in, goes out, then puts the grasshopper in the hole, why not dig the hole, get the grasshopper inside, then go in and eat it or lay eggs in it or whatever else the grasshopper might be used for.

The brain being what you described makes sense. If I do something repeatedly and zone out, I’ll continue doing the thing until someone tells me to stop.

In other news, I managed to stay up all night without being tired...here’s hoping the lack of tiredness persists until classes are over
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on January 07, 2021, 04:11:23 am
Forgot to mention my birthday here, it was on the 2nd.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on January 07, 2021, 06:05:46 am
Re: Digger wasps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphex
(Includes the fantastic new term, "Sphexishness")

As an aside, it's my understanding that the human brain is capable of the many mysterious and incredible things it is, precisely because it doesn't function quite like that. Our brains are far more adept at working with abstract concepts and "fudging" information into something usable. ...we're in fact so adept at this, that it's pretty much the only thing we're really good at, and we do it for a lot of inputs and functions that really shouldn't be handled quite like that. This is how we end up with scenarios like putting a spoonful of instant coffee or something into a mug, and then pouring hot water into the tin instead of the mug.

Also, the snippet in that Wikipedia article mentions that the "endless reset" of even the wasp's behavior is somewhat disputed... Generally speaking, adaptive behavior is far more beneficial from a survival viewpoint than strictly defined task management.

But you do end up with funny things occasionally, like that experiment where a researcher glued stilts onto the legs of ants that were out exploring beyond the hill, leading to them completely overshooting the hill on the return trip and ending up completely baffled in the middle of nowhere because the internal pedometer they apparently use to keep track of where they are doesn't factor in changes in gait.

Summary of the experiment (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2006/06/ants-stilts)

Slightly more in-depth (https://jeb.biologists.org/content/210/2/198)


Forgot to mention my birthday here, it was on the 2nd.
Happy belated birthday!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on January 07, 2021, 08:48:38 am
Happy New Birthday Years Max! Is that the Russian equivalent of being born on Christmas?
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Post by: bloop_bleep on January 08, 2021, 01:59:58 am
Happy New Birthday Years Max! Is that the Russian equivalent of being born on Christmas?

Actually they were born near Christmas where they are too. Since Orthodox Christmas is on the 7th.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on January 08, 2021, 02:18:37 am
New Year is secular, and is pretty much like the shopping and parties-heavy part of American Christmas. Not much special about being born just after it. Orthodox Christmas is a quiet religious holiday.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on January 08, 2021, 08:31:10 am
The "special" thing about being born on Christmas is that you don't get birthday presents or birthday parties because it's already Christmas anyway ;)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 08, 2021, 10:48:21 am
I don't think I could ever properly argue or debate with people. I'm so inclined to agree and compromise with people that I almost always respond with "No, but..." (or anything that simplifies to that), if not just "Yes". Notice how I speak like I'm trying to cover my ass: "probably", "I believe", "...but I'm no ____", all those are me trying to find common ground first, and speaking what I believe (see?) to be true second. I don't like disagreeing outright; write-off answers are like sledgehammers to me; too violent, too destructive, too much collateral damage. There are points where I bring those out, but that's rare. I want to agree.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on January 08, 2021, 12:30:18 pm
I can't argue with people because I'm too contrarian.
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Post by: Bumber on January 08, 2021, 02:23:29 pm
I can't argue with people because I'm too contrarian.

No you aren't.
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Post by: Egan_BW on January 09, 2021, 04:03:06 am
There are a lot of conversational stances you can use, and trying to find common ground and point out nuance is a good default. Just always stay mindful of when you might have to slip into a more sledgehammer tack. Brutality can be a form of elegance, after all~
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Post by: feelotraveller on January 10, 2021, 06:00:25 am
Brutality can be a form of elegance, after all~

~his hands can’t hit what his eyes can’t see.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 10, 2021, 07:31:08 pm
If someone was assigned the gender of "X" (which I guess is the bureaucratic equivalent for nonbinary/intersex/whatever) at birth, and they decide later on that they wish to be male/female, does that, in the most technical sense, make them trans? I'm not really one to scrutinize whether someone's trans or not, but I think it's an interesting edge case. If "trans" refers to biological sex, then it's a 50/50 most of the time, but if "trans" refers to assigned gender at birth, then it's technically the case that they are trans.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on January 12, 2021, 08:10:05 am
Looking at the biweekly government and it's corona infodump, the best part of hand language interpreters is how clear their facial body language is.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on January 12, 2021, 12:56:03 pm
@methylatedspirit
It's an interesting question, and the answer is yes they are trans.  The reason people go by "gender assigned at birth" is because "biological sex" is poorly defined, with many edge cases.  Most people have XX or XY chromosomes, sure, but not everyone.  Some people's genitals don't "match" their chromosomes.  You already know about intersex people, but I'm just over-explaining this for those who don't know.

So that's why people compare against "gender assigned at birth" instead.  Honestly I wasn't aware of people being assigned "X" at birth, maybe that varies by country. 
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 12, 2021, 08:50:43 pm
It's more of a hypothetical, just trying to see at what point certain definitions start breaking down and start producing results that would be considered odd. Is it not odd that someone assigned "X" at birth, but later transitioning to male/female would still be considered trans? I dunno, that's a bit odd to me, even if that's literally the definition. I'm more worried about the stigma associated with being trans for such a person, more than anything else. Personally, I'd just ignore the "trans" part entirely, because people are more complex than if their current gender matches their birth gender.

I mean, that idea isn't completely out of nowhere; I've heard of parents who raise their kids gender-neutral. The idea that someone may be assigned "X" some day might come some day.

I do disagree with either of those, though. I hate the gender binary as much as the next enby, but I'm not sure if that's the way to go about it. A bit too revolutionary for my tastes. It's one thing for teens and adults to be nonbinary, but to force that onto young children? I mean, the same argument could be applied regarding assigning binary genders to children, but still. Personally, I'd rather just assign male/female to children first, but change society itself so that transitioning in the general case is considered perfectly normal, rather than an unusual "thing" that only "certain" people do.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on January 12, 2021, 08:57:18 pm
Clearly we should use nanomachines to edit everyone's minds in real time and simply edit out any references to gender.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on January 12, 2021, 09:11:42 pm
Oh hello frustrated me from ~2017

@methylatedspirit
The theoretical case I was imagining was a non-intersex person born with an apparent sex, whose parents for some reason assigned them the opposite gender - and that gender happened to be correct.  Pure fiction of course, but I too like probing edge cases - my software dev background, probably.

I decided that that person, assigned the correct gender at birth, would not be trans.  Obviously they would still need trans-associated medical care, but I strongly stand by the idea that medical transition is not a requirement of being trans.
I'd *like* some, but that's neither here nor there.
No acts of transition are required for someone to be trans.  People staying stealthy are valid.  People without proper health care are valid.  Assigned Female At Birth people are valid (they tend to get drowned out in some spaces, which is a shame).

I suppose I am very "revolutionary" about this.  But adults forcing any gender on their children, including NB, isn't revolutionary.  It's totally fine to raise one's kids according to what seems to be their gender, while being supportive of their gender exploration.

In other words I think we agree - transitioning, gender exploration, should be normalized. 
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on January 12, 2021, 09:15:20 pm
I literally thought a gender reveal party was a party thrown by the parents of someone coming out as trans. I also thought "ACAB" stood for "assigned cop at birth."

. . . whoo!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 13, 2021, 04:09:10 am
No acts of transition are required for someone to be trans.  People staying stealthy are valid.  People without proper health care are valid.  Assigned Female At Birth people are valid (they tend to get drowned out in some spaces, which is a shame).

Then what is universal within trans people, then? Gender dysphoria? I couldn't be bothered to change what I look like, since that part of my brain's basically fried, but I do get annoyed if you gender me directly with he/him or she/her pronouns. Indirect gendering through "dude", "man" (don't tell me I'm a man, though) and others, I'll allow. The idea of me having any gender that isn't "No." doesn't sit well with me.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on January 13, 2021, 07:56:57 am
Number what, though?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 13, 2021, 08:03:16 am
"No.", as in a sentence with "No" and ".". The period's for emphasis, because I do not want to be gendered at all.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on January 13, 2021, 08:07:55 am
I know, I was just trying to be funny. I thought you would answer I AM NUMBER ONE!!! or something similar :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 13, 2021, 08:12:58 am
Buddy, I don't consider myself number 1 in anything that isn't Pointless and Obscure Knowledge (Mostly) About Tech. And even then, someone's got me beat, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on January 13, 2021, 08:38:13 am
No acts of transition are required for someone to be trans.  People staying stealthy are valid.  People without proper health care are valid.  Assigned Female At Birth people are valid (they tend to get drowned out in some spaces, which is a shame).

Then what is universal within trans people, then? Gender dysphoria?
Definitely not!  Many transgender guys gals and enpals don't feel much dysphoria, certainly not as much as other trans people.  Ideally dysphoria is reduced with medical care!  The universal quality is being a gender different from that assigned at birth.
You're definitely trans, and I couldn't take that away from you if I wanted to.  My little hypothetical about an edge case wasn't meant to disqualify anyone.  It might even be wrong.  I don't have the authority to declare anyone cis (unless - this is the one exception - they're making The One Joke that anti-trans people have.  The one where they claim to identify as attack helicopters.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on January 13, 2021, 08:50:12 am
Buddy, I don't consider myself number 1 in anything that isn't Pointless and Obscure Knowledge (Mostly) About Tech. And even then, someone's got me beat, I'm sure.

You need to work on your self-esteem! Be more like this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfotQ1YQrvk)!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 13, 2021, 08:51:29 am
(unless - this is the one exception - they're making The One Joke that anti-trans people have.  The one where they claim to identify as attack helicopters.)

Oh god, that's like the classical one. It's the canonical transphobe joke. It's a red flag if said unironically, and I know immediately, "Do not come out to this person" after that.

I think jokes like "My pronouns do not exist. Do not refer to me." or "I identify as Michael Jackson, my pronouns are he/hee" are funny, so I'm not against the idea of joking about gender as a whole, but the "attack helicopter" one... that ain't it, Chief. It was funny the first time, but it's been so overdone that it has no legs to stand on anymore.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on January 13, 2021, 08:53:35 am
"I identify as Michael Jackson, my pronouns are he/hee"

I liked this
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on January 21, 2021, 10:03:47 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/371423137574813697/801914722987147264/139857996_10158015470503494_799292171897347317_n.png)

This map is wrong. China isn't improving regarding climate change much at all and India is making coal power plants.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 21, 2021, 11:26:54 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 23, 2021, 11:47:45 pm
(And in an episode of Pulling Stuff from my Archives...)

I'm fairly certain that Android versions 5 and later will be supported by apps for increasingly-long periods of time as the last version stops being supported, almost turning them into Windows XPs; characterized by impressively-long de facto support lifetimes. I think most could get away with 5, and I think most everything would run on 7. The latest version is 11.

There's just not that much reason for people to buy phones frequently anymore. Mobile hardware and software are maturing, and it's no longer this massive series of growth spurts like computers were back in the late 90s and early 2000s. Sure, manufacturers can try to artificially stop support after 3 years/version updates, but it's not like any app worth its salt would only run on the latest version anyway. Market factors dictate that they have to go as far back as 5 or even 4.4.4 to broaden their audience as much as possible. Performance isn't that much of a concern anymore, either, since you don't really need a Snapdragon 875+ to watch Youtube or browse the web.

I'm not saying "buy an old-ass phone" if you can buy a new one. Just buy a low-end or mid-range new phone if that's all you need. Their processors are made on newer, smaller manufacturing processes, and they're more power-efficient because of that. Plus, you get at least 2 years of official support minimum, so that's nice, given that those include security updates.

I know that Apple's very similar; their iPhones are officially supported for, like, 6 years, IIRC. Only difference is that Apple support is official, while Android is de facto supported by apps for about that long or longer.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 27, 2021, 09:50:12 pm
Don't try to gender-neutralize "Fell In Love With A Girl" by replacing "Girl" with "Kid".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on January 28, 2021, 04:56:45 am
Don't try to gender-neutralize "Fell In Love With A Girl" by replacing "Girl" with "Kid".

You have an incoming call from someone named "Nambla"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on January 28, 2021, 12:07:53 pm
You have an incoming call from someone named "Nambla"
The North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on January 29, 2021, 07:25:02 am
You have an incoming call from someone named "Nambla"
I've heard that those people like to drive around in windowless vans and they like to invite people into said vans.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on January 30, 2021, 01:46:42 am
Playing the intro associated with a certain porn website in public is basically a version of The Game. The moment you react to it, you've lost.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 17, 2021, 05:53:38 am
Code is like a genie; it possesses great power and is capable of fulfilling many wishes, but it will unfortunately do what you told it to do rather than what you wanted it to do.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on February 17, 2021, 08:08:19 am
I feel like there's a sort of spectrum of "intellectual heaviness" of media that you consume. You have "light" content, which is easy to digest (often because it contains things that you know and agree with/things you're very opposed to and can say "that's stupid"), then you have "heavy" content, which basically needs you to think real hard about what you're consuming to internalize it (often because it's things that you don't know, but you still agree with them).

Me, I go for light content, since I don't like to feel like I'm trying to update Gentoo all the time. I love stuff that's jokey and non-serious, and I revel in them. Is it necessarily bad, though, to prefer light stuff? Like, people don't exactly class me as stupid, they say that I'm actually quite smart in certain areas, so it's not precisely true that a preference for light content means that you're stupid. But it does leave me as a rather naive person outside of what I know and am interested in.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on February 17, 2021, 08:23:00 am
I don't think that the sort of fiction you consume will really have all that much of an effect on what kind of person you are.

As for me, I'd say that I prefer "heavier" stuff by that metric, but not so much because I like thinking through things deeply as that I like being lost and confused. There's a certain wonder to genuinely not having a clue what's going on.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on February 17, 2021, 09:07:08 am
Not even fiction, necessarily. I went for "content" (which was probably a poor choice of words), and I meant it in the most general form possible. All media that you consume, be it fiction, non-fiction, or even what I've written here, I think, is subject to the idea of "intellectual heaviness". All media have ideas that are presented, and by virtue of it being presented, to be digested, filtered through the lens of what you believe. Everything has a story to tell, and everyone has their own ideas of what those stories mean to them. Perhaps that's me trying to find meaning in the ultimately-meaningless, and you're free to think and express that.

Also, I'd disagree with the idea that fiction has a weak effect on people. Fiction, I think, is stronger than non-fiction in this regard. A good story can fundamentally alter how someone thinks, especially at a young age.

The "I'm not like other girls" thing (which while sorta dead in our and older generations, is very much alive in Zoomers), for instance, is perpetuated by the idea that women have to be a certain way, as well as the glorification/idolization of women who are "different" in media. There's a pressure on girls to be "girly", but then another, sometimes stronger pressure that tells them that they should be "different" from that ideal. That's sorta the crux of the issue. The way to be "different", it seems, is to go against the "girly" stereotype. But it's also "bad" to not be "girly", so you have to "justify" it by putting down other girls who are "not different", by being not "girly" and telling the other girls that they are "girly" and therefore "not different".

Now, that's coming from me, an assigned male from birth enby, so I think the message may have gotten a little mangled there. But I'm hoping you get the point. All media can influence people. Of course, as you age and become wiser, it's usually harder to be influenced by such media, especially if it contradicts your beliefs or your identity. That's part of what I call "intellectual heaviness". Of course, it's entirely possible to 100% agree with a piece of media, but it's hard to digest because it's not something you've considered at all before, hence, "part".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on February 17, 2021, 01:17:45 pm
I think all people have an obligation to grow, but it's a matter of circumstance as to whether you learn your stories from grandma or Flaubert.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 17, 2021, 03:34:12 pm
I feel like there's a sort of spectrum of "intellectual heaviness" of media that you consume. You have "light" content, which is easy to digest (often because it contains things that you know and agree with/things you're very opposed to and can say "that's stupid"), then you have "heavy" content, which basically needs you to think real hard about what you're consuming to internalize it (often because it's things that you don't know, but you still agree with them).
This isn't consistent with my experience of media at all. I don't think it's an objective measure or even a human universal.

The "I'm not like other girls" thing (which while sorta dead in our and older generations, is very much alive in Zoomers), for instance, is perpetuated by the idea that women have to be a certain way, as well as the glorification/idolization of women who are "different" in media. There's a pressure on girls to be "girly", but then another, sometimes stronger pressure that tells them that they should be "different" from that ideal. That's sorta the crux of the issue. The way to be "different", it seems, is to go against the "girly" stereotype. But it's also "bad" to not be "girly", so you have to "justify" it by putting down other girls who are "not different", by being not "girly" and telling the other girls that they are "girly" and therefore "not different".
This kind of thing is interesting to me because my culture has never had the idea that there's a right way to be "girly", but we are slowly osmoting one from media contact. Most people my age and older, if asked, would agree to a vague idea that "girliness" is associated with pink, ribbons, sparkles, etc., but we don't think about it on our own and there's no endogenous pressure for girls to act that way (and almost all of them do not, I didn't know a single girl like that growing up, even the 'mean girls' and others fulfilling other social stereotypes); but I worry that those younger than me seem to be developing those pressures from exogenous media.

Finally, and this is more important than any other part: you are a Zoomer. Millennials are in their 30s, man. The oldest Zoomers were born in the 90s.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on February 17, 2021, 03:38:34 pm
I'm also inclined to say that the "not like other girls" stuff was just as common among Millenials growing up. It's just that, you know, by the age of 30 or so you hopefully grow out of it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 17, 2021, 03:41:55 pm
I'm also inclined to say that the "not like other girls" stuff was just as common among Millenials growing up. It's just that, you know, by the age of 30 or so you hopefully grow out of it.
(To be fair - and I think what you say is certainly true - I'm pretty sure that's what he means by "dead", which implies it was alive at some previous time.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on February 19, 2021, 10:31:46 am
You know, with modern anonymity... it's impossible for governments to enforce anything online.

I could write Putin x Trump slashfic and post it all over the Russian internet, and as long as I did it through Tor (or offloaded it onto an American friend) they couldn't do shit.

I already do things online like spreading propaganda against Putin and inciting people to protest against the government. Things that are illegal here. But all is justified for the greater good of Russia.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 19, 2021, 12:01:37 pm
Although, posting that contemplation (and admission) on a publicly-accessible forum under your usual profile may not be the wisest move
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on February 19, 2021, 12:19:35 pm
Although, posting that contemplation (and admission) on a publicly-accessible forum under your usual profile may not be the wisest move
I'd say it's fair enough. Since IPs here are not public (and she probably uses a VPN anyways). This forum is also small enough that it's not looked at by the Russian government so I doubt they would find this even if they could do much.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on February 23, 2021, 05:05:38 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on February 26, 2021, 07:57:38 am
I think social normalcy (as ill-defined and self-contradictory as the entire concept is) is Pareto-like. 80% of "normalcy" comes from the 20% most important social norms. Other than that, you can basically implement whatever you want on top of it, and people simply can't stop you.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on February 26, 2021, 08:08:28 am
Especially if what you want to be is a home-made welded shut bulldozer tank driver
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on February 26, 2021, 11:43:08 am
Especially if what you want to be is a home-made welded shut bulldozer tank driver

*colin furze intensifies*

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on February 26, 2021, 11:45:19 am
Especially if what you want to be is a home-made welded shut bulldozer tank driver

*colin furze Marvin Heemeyer intensifies*
FTFY
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on February 27, 2021, 01:33:26 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on February 27, 2021, 02:43:47 pm
Memories are like chinese whispers.  Every time you 'remember' something it is given a new overlay.  Homo Imaginatus.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 02, 2021, 09:57:40 am
I'm not sure where this is supposed to go, but here's a dumb trick I did on one of my dad's office PCs while cloning the hard disk. Details blurred for privacy reasons.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on March 02, 2021, 12:34:34 pm
I'm not sure where this is supposed to go, but here's a dumb trick I did on one of my dad's office PCs while cloning the hard disk. Details blurred for privacy reasons.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yo dawg, I heard you like your computer so I put your computer in your computer so you can computer while you computer.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 03, 2021, 02:51:57 am
I'm not sure where this is supposed to go, but here's a dumb trick I did on one of my dad's office PCs while cloning the hard disk. Details blurred for privacy reasons.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yo dawg, I heard you like your computer so I put your computer in your computer so you can computer while you computer.
We need to go deeper.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 03, 2021, 08:50:13 pm
Every time I think of "Gentoo" (as in the Linux distribution), I keep trying to combine it with "Djent". I don't know what "Djentoo" would be, but it's probably even more pretentious than either of those on their own.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on March 03, 2021, 11:49:22 pm
Huh, that's remarkably phonetic.  I don't usually confuse things phonetically, until I'm drunk - then I'll make really unusual spelling mistakes where I properly spell out a phoneme that *sounds* like what I meant to type.

I guess that means I'm "hearing" an internal audio and trying to transcribe it.  I think that might be right - cause and effect are very confused in human behavior.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on March 03, 2021, 11:58:36 pm
In other languages such as Ukrainian the "j" sound is often written in two letters as d, zh because that's how it's composed phonetically.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on March 04, 2021, 12:07:13 am
Might be related that a lot of older Linux stuff plays a lot with pronouncing "GNU".  Gnoppix, Gnome, etc.  I don't know how universal this is, but back in the mid 2010's the local LUG liked to joke about how exactly that prefix is pronounced.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 04, 2021, 12:22:45 am
I'm reminded of the "you've been gnomed" meme. That meme appends a "gn" sound at the start of "not, "elf" (and "goblin") to end up with "gnot", "gnelf", and "gnoblin", and I wonder if that could be inspired by GNU's tendency to append "Gn" to the name of every one of its projects wherever possible.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on March 04, 2021, 08:58:51 am
DJ is a not too unusual phonetism in Swedish. "Jungle" for example is spelled Djungel. Deep is spelled "Djup. "Animal" is Djur. All pronounced with a more twangy J sound.

We also spell some words with LJ, like Ljung ("Heather") or Ljuv ("Sweet"/"Delightful") which seems to indicate a softer, lower mouth kind of J sound.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on March 04, 2021, 09:41:18 am
DJ is a not too unusual phonetism in Swedish. "Jungle" for example is spelled Djungel. Deep is spelled "Djup. "Animal" is Djur. All pronounced with a more twangy J sound.

We also spell some words with LJ, like Ljung ("Heather") or Ljuv ("Sweet"/"Delightful") which seems to indicate a softer, lower mouth kind of J sound.

I can only imagine how bizarre this must seem in the head of someone who doesn't realize that the Swedish J-sound is the English Y-sound.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 04, 2021, 10:30:41 am
I guess that means I'm "hearing" an internal audio and trying to transcribe it.  I think that might be right - cause and effect are very confused in human behavior.

My language pipeline is different, then. I speak first, pushing raw commands to my vocal cords at high speed to get words out, then I transcribe later. Of course, this means I trip over my words and mispronounce stuff often. I lose the ability to speak properly when I'm medication-drunk (the "high speed" part is very important), so there's pros and cons to each approach.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on March 04, 2021, 10:35:52 am
DJ is a not too unusual phonetism in Swedish. "Jungle" for example is spelled Djungel. Deep is spelled "Djup. "Animal" is Djur. All pronounced with a more twangy J sound.

We also spell some words with LJ, like Ljung ("Heather") or Ljuv ("Sweet"/"Delightful") which seems to indicate a softer, lower mouth kind of J sound.

I can only imagine how bizarre this must seem in the head of someone who doesn't realize that the Swedish J-sound is the English Y-sound.

Put the Swedish J-Sound is the english J-sound.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on March 05, 2021, 05:12:10 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 05, 2021, 11:05:47 am
I think there are more enbies (though I'm lumping in genderfluid, despite it containing both binary and nonbinary) than there are girls on Bay12 General Discussion (definition: is active-ish within the past week or so here). I count 5 enbies to 2 girls, though it's likely an underestimate on at least 1 side. Honestly, I think that's kinda wild. More enbies than there are girls.

The population of Bay12 GD is (note: very rough estimates) somewhere between 20 to 50. This implies that the enby percentage is between 25% and 10%, which is also wild. The enby percentage in trans populations is apparently 25% to 35%, but I can't find any estimates for the general population. I don't actively keep mental records on trans-ness specifically, so I can't say anything there. I only keep track of gender because I think that pronouns are important.

*I'm only counting those who have explicitly stated their gender/pronouns. I refuse to question stated genders, so it's simultaneously a loose and strict definition. Loose in that anyone can declare whatever and I have to accept it, but strict in that I only retain it if it's stated outright at least once.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on March 05, 2021, 11:54:35 am
Bay 12 has historically had more out trans women than known AFABs, LOL. Why -- I couldn't tell you.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 06, 2021, 03:39:03 am
Huh. I suppose I could speculate that it's something to do with the factors that pull people into GD (which are very weak right now, but still), which (to my knowledge) are a) Dwarf Fortress, and b) word-of-mouth. People either come for Dwarf Fortress, stumbling into General Discussion (like I did in 2019), or a friend who's already on Bay12 pulled them in. My own data suggests that both occur roughly equally, but I only have 2 years of data to work with (also, I've been here for 2 years? Wow.). I suspect the Steam release of DF will bias the results towards DF, whenever that happens.

Are AMAB people (regardless of the gender they currently are) more likely to be pulled in by violent games (and DF is definitely violent if you go by how it's described outside of Bay12)? That's the thing my speculation is hanging on. Even if they push hard to not be male, completely going "fuck being a man, I wanna be (a) ____!", does the cultural baggage still affect them enough that it still affects the choice of video games that they choose to play and subsequently join the community of? Or maybe I'm forgetting order of operations; they join Bay12 first, then they realize they're trans. It's slightly more plausible that way around.

I mean, it's probably total bullshit to think of it this way. My Bullshit Meter's in the 20% - 40% range, likely an underestimate because it's my own "work". There's an off smell, but I can't pinpoint where.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on March 06, 2021, 12:19:40 pm
It's definitely Join Bay -> Realize (or come out with) transness.

Dunno about the violence question.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Caz on March 06, 2021, 12:52:51 pm
I think there are more enbies (though I'm lumping in genderfluid, despite it containing both binary and nonbinary) than there are girls on Bay12 General Discussion (definition: is active-ish within the past week or so here). I count 5 enbies to 2 girls, though it's likely an underestimate on at least 1 side. Honestly, I think that's kinda wild. More enbies than there are girls.

The population of Bay12 GD is (note: very rough estimates) somewhere between 20 to 50. This implies that the enby percentage is between 25% and 10%, which is also wild. The enby percentage in trans populations is apparently 25% to 35%, but I can't find any estimates for the general population. I don't actively keep mental records on trans-ness specifically, so I can't say anything there. I only keep track of gender because I think that pronouns are important.

*I'm only counting those who have explicitly stated their gender/pronouns. I refuse to question stated genders, so it's simultaneously a loose and strict definition. Loose in that anyone can declare whatever and I have to accept it, but strict in that I only retain it if it's stated outright at least once.

Makes me wonder whatever happened to that Bay12 census.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on March 06, 2021, 04:16:35 pm
I don't know what those acronyms are... I'm getting too old for all this...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on March 06, 2021, 04:21:49 pm
AFAB - assigned female at birth
AMAB - assigned male at birth
ACAB - all cops are bastards

enby - non binary
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on March 06, 2021, 04:52:33 pm
SAAB - Svenska Aeroplan Aktiebolaget
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 06, 2021, 08:53:52 pm
The i7-11700K has been tested (https://www.anandtech.com/show/16535/intel-core-i7-11700k-review-blasting-off-with-rocket-lake), and... it's not looking good. First off:
(https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16535/121878.png)

You know, just casually pushing out 58% more heat than the competition (the Ryzen 7 5800X) in AVX2 mode. The same power as an i9 from two generations ago. Perfectly normal. Secondly:

(https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16535/121993.png)

It consumes all that power, and it just gets denied by not only the Ryzen chip, but by its own predecessors. This was once a company that prided itself on gaming performance. Congratulations, Intel, you just played yourself.

Still:

(https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16535/121890.png)

At least it still does DF well? Granted, the advantage evens out with a larger worldgen:

(https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16535/121891.png)

This whole 11th Gen launch is probably the second biggest mistake I've seen from Intel (first biggest mistake being the Pentium 4). Should've skipped this generation entirely, waited for Alder Lake (12th Generation) next year; this shit isn't worth it. If it's like this for the i9, I'm inclined to say: don't buy this. Skip the entire generation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on March 09, 2021, 02:26:06 am
Nintendo invented the first time machine in the 90s. Every other videogame company soon followed suit. By creating a localized time loop, they're able to harness infinite computational power.
Videogame graphics are currently as detailed as is possible in any universe.
However, this created a marketing problem. How can you ever sell new hardware if the customer already owns the perfect system?

To create the illusion of progress, the console manufacturers use their time machines to travel back in time and replace their games with progressively uglier versions. Your memories of the graphics of old games are actually perfectly accurate, it's just that over time these older games are progressively reconned into being less and less detailed until you get a bewildering pixelated mess.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 09, 2021, 02:53:19 am
That feels true to me.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 09, 2021, 09:07:01 pm
We need to go deeper.

Going deeper. All details left uncensored. You can probably figure out how I live based on the desktop alone.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Here's a dump of funny things I found while doing this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Anyway, time to run DBAN (DBAN is discontinued and will not boot on UEFI-only systems) ShredOS (https://github.com/PartialVolume/shredos.x86_64) on the two hard drives I forced into this situation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 10, 2021, 07:46:56 am
Going deeper. All details left uncensored. You can probably figure out how I live based on the desktop alone.
Are you... are you secretly a middle-aged office clerk?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on March 10, 2021, 07:51:52 am
Vampire Malware Workstation, nice
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 10, 2021, 08:24:30 am
Vampire Malware Workstation, nice

The "Vampire" part's correct. When I was done and shut down the VM, it forgot to give back the 8 GB I allocated to it, so it did end up sucking up half of my RAM for nothing. I only noticed because I was trying to play a game, and it warned me that I had, like, no RAM free. I checked Task Manager, and indeed, I had all of 1-2 GB free, taken up by some ghost of a program that didn't show up in the Processes view. A restart fixed that, thankfully.

Whether or not it was doing anything nefarious with those 8 gigs, I don't know.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 11, 2021, 02:29:04 am
It was probably filling those 8gigs with a secret stash of program porn.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 12, 2021, 07:57:08 am
There's a difference between cattified humans versus humanized cats. The former gets you cat people, the other gets you anthropomorphic cat people, but going too far on the Realism scale there yields Uncanny Valley. Having real people wear cat ears, for instance, isn't nearly as creepy as the... creatures... depicted in the movie Cats, which were supposed to be realistic anthropomorphic cat people. 
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 13, 2021, 03:45:32 am
isn't nearly as creepy as the... creatures... depicted in the movie Cats, which were supposed to be realistic anthropomorphic cat people. 
Whoever thought those things looked good should be fired then shot.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on March 13, 2021, 07:28:44 am
Is wouldn't mind a movie about that Alfred guy web comic though
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on March 15, 2021, 07:34:21 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on March 15, 2021, 07:42:03 pm
Ive allways had a weak spot for all kinds of unables, like doing those weird dribbles where you try to take handicapped people for fully capable while trying to discretly makes thhings easier for them and such... But I'm starting to gain a very bleak picture of people past a certain age who seem to get around with like 250 words of vocabulary.  I'm halfway convinced they all willfully choose not to understand in order to have an excuse to not have to behave like everybody else does. I think it's fair to say they demonstrated a certain lack of respect that can only be reciprocated. Id never be like that to somebody eager to learn. But there is just so much evidence pointing to people actively refusing to learn.

Being stupid is cool.

Look at how modern Family Guy or Simpsons practically revolve around terminally stupid assholes, and how rarely are they punished for it, much less seen as not some sort of virtue.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on March 15, 2021, 07:49:26 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on March 15, 2021, 08:58:16 pm
I'm currently living with one elderly with mid stage dementia and another showing signs of early. I fucking wish they were pretending just to screw with people. I wish so fucking hard that was actually true.

I've also seen zero indication it is true, unfortunately. It would take acting skills beyond anything I've ever seen and well beyond any they demonstrated in the years prior, with a consistency to keep doing it even when they're not aware that people are around, for months/years straight, all on top of a staggeringly wild shift in personality.

Age past a certain point just... ruins a lot of people, is about the best way I can describe it. It hollows out everything they were and leaves an incomplete shell that occasionally shits itself. In the process it often terrorizes, frustrates, and confuses what's left, leaving regularly unpleasant husks behind. The only thing worse than living around it is living it :-\
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on March 16, 2021, 02:15:19 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on March 16, 2021, 01:09:08 pm
I mean, you'd hope, and supporting folks in this particular case go a fair bit out of their way to make sure they're not driving around... but they both still have valid licenses, despite one having reached the point of literal pants on head. Legally there's not actually much we could do to stop them if they seriously got it in their head to get behind a wheel (assuming the keys hadn't been... dealt with... anyway) and couldn't be dissuaded.

Elderly support networks in a lot of places are also staggeringly shit, which can pretty easily mean people that really, really shouldn't be driving around or doing much of anything in public unsupervised... do. Sometimes have to to not just starve to death. So... y'know. Don't actually know how probable that probably actually is :-\
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on March 16, 2021, 01:57:35 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on March 18, 2021, 04:52:06 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on March 18, 2021, 07:56:59 am
Everytime I have to work I wake once after 5-6h of sleep, then every 1-3 hours. I think I need about 10h of sleep to feel truely rested but that's including the time wasted falling asleep several times.

When I am on my own with nothing going on the day after I sleep less and in one piece. Eventhough I kinda like my current job my body is still  strictly against it.

Changing season tends to bring changing weather, which isn't good for feeling rested. Trying to keep a constant schedule, even on weekends and holidays, helps.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on March 21, 2021, 10:21:19 am
I've tried to get into Ark a couple times. Theoretically, as a dinosaur island survival game, it looks like it should be one of my favorite games of all time.

However, it always drives me off with the way everything smells like an MMO, even in single player. Last time as well, I couldn't help thinking things like "Subnautica did this better." "This isn't how Subnautica would do it." "You're not my real dad, Ark!"

I think I'll just wait until something more like a dinosaur Subnautica comes out. At least Goner (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gonerthegame/goner/description) and Dinos Reborn (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1522360/) might eventually provide that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on March 21, 2021, 11:39:16 am
Does it have to be first person perspective/graphically appealing? If not, DinoSystem seems to be pretty obsessive about realistic mechanics.

...so, definitely not like Subnautica. At all.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on March 21, 2021, 12:10:26 pm
I’ve actually played DinoSystem. I enjoyed it, it’s just a bit unfinished at the moment. Also, I think a major reason I liked Subnautica was the storytelling and sense of direction.

...It might just be that I liked Subnautica so much that every other survival game is a bit spoiled in comparison. At least I should be able to play Grounded and Below Zero soon!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on March 21, 2021, 12:23:34 pm
My favorite survival games are CDDA and heavily modded Minecraft. For different reasons.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 22, 2021, 03:29:33 am
CDDA used to be my favorite survival game but the newer versions just take the fun out of it with the constant addition of "realism" and the removal of almost everything Sci-fi related, it just isn't the same anymore.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on March 22, 2021, 03:31:52 am
CDDA used to be my favorite survival game but the newer versions just take the fun out of it with the constant addition of "realism" and the removal of almost everything Sci-fi related, it just isn't the same anymore.
Still like it TBH. And have you heard of Aftershock/Bright Nights? AFS is a mod that brings back sci-fi stuff while Bright Nights is a fork that is less realism-focused.

I usually just play with Aftershock.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 22, 2021, 03:55:10 am
My main problem with the game is the new container inventory thing, also I've heard of both of them and have been meaning to try Bright Nights out.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on March 22, 2021, 03:55:34 am
My favorite survival games are CDDA and heavily modded Minecraft. For different reasons.

My favorite survival games are trying to take the last biscuit without being noticed and getting my clothes back after a night on the town.

For different reasons.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on March 22, 2021, 06:53:41 am
Well my main problem with BN is the exact opposite: doesn't have pockets. I love pockets. IMO it's actually a quality-of-life thing once you get used to it because you can carry essential supplies in a messenger bag or something while using your duffelbag for looting. So if you drop one everything doesn't spill. Old system was tedious, I played 0.E for a while before switching over to experimentals.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on March 22, 2021, 10:23:25 am
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1144074312145653761/pu/vid/1280x720/T5B0QizyIib2KZqS.mp4?tag=10 (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1144074312145653761/pu/vid/1280x720/T5B0QizyIib2KZqS.mp4?tag=10)

Anyone recognize the song?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 22, 2021, 07:21:35 pm
There's a pyramid of bragging rights when it comes to Linux, I think.

The "just works" distros, like Ubuntu, Mint, and Pop_OS!, for instance, is mainly used by normal people who don't brag much about their OS, if at all. You kinda can't brag at this stage. The less-mainstream ones, like Debian, still a bit of bragging, but it's not much. As you go up, and as the userbase narrows, the bragginess of a stereotypical user will increase.

By the time you get to Arch and its ilk, though, that's where it all goes to shit. This is where the upper echelon of bragging rights begins. There's a reason why "BTW I use Arch" is a common phrase, whether it's said in jest or in earnest. It's like vegans; you'll know they're an Arch user, because they'll tell you the moment you speak to them. For bonus points, they'll also use dwm as their window manager, mpv as a media player, and/or anything-not-systemd for an init system, because of course they do.

Don't even get me started on Gentoo; there's perfectly normal people on there, but ricers will tell you about how they got 2% more performance by putting some bullshit-ass CFLAGS like -O9, -funroll-all-loops, --disable-all-instructions (2 of these are parody, 1 is an actual GCC flag, but still horrendously inadvisable in almost all cases). The previous stuff about Arch users applies here too.

Linux From Scratch... that's just for people with far too much time on their hands, more a learning experience than an OS you'd use daily. You're basically maintaining an entire distro by yourself; every patch and update needs to be done manually, and you have to be always be listening to news about this to stay up-to-date. At least Gentoo has a team of people maintaining it for you. The bragging rights come from completing it, not from daily-driving it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on March 22, 2021, 10:20:41 pm
Spiders crawl into our mouths at night to teabag us.

Only through Spiders Georg may we attain salvation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on March 22, 2021, 10:28:06 pm
 
Huh.  I mean that literally, though it probably doesn't seem that way.  I stopped worrying about the occasional spider/beetle/whatever because my internal biology is... well, the above.  I think it's legit cool, and makes a nice argument for biodiversity and taking care with anti-species measures.

Except mosquitoes.  Their only potential benefit is spreading viruses, and that's antithetical to our existence - and replaceable.  We'll just shoot all the emus it'll be fine.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on March 22, 2021, 10:34:23 pm
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/gut_fauna.png)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on March 22, 2021, 10:47:29 pm
Except mosquitoes.  Their only potential benefit is spreading viruses, and that's antithetical to our existence - and replaceable.

Are there not species which rely primarily on them for food?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on March 22, 2021, 11:24:39 pm
Probably not, but a lot of species relied on viruses (spread by blood-drinking insects) to cull the apex predators.
Until we came along, able to have some self awareness, hopefully.

Edit:  I mean literally, yes.  There are a lot of species which eat mosquitoes.  But they sure do fail to curtail the population in certain biomes. 
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 23, 2021, 02:04:33 am
Except mosquitoes.  Their only potential benefit is spreading viruses, and that's antithetical to our existence - and replaceable.

Are there not species which rely primarily on them for food?
I was researching this before, and, basically, no. Most things that eat mosquitos will eat whatever, and often only eat mosquitos themselves incidentally, because apparently they're not numerous enough in relation to their size.

I think. I may have the wrong bug in mind, but I'm pretty sure it was mosquitos. Double-check before crashing your local ecosystem.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on March 23, 2021, 05:23:58 am
Plus not all mosquitoes bite humans.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on March 23, 2021, 06:56:06 pm
I was researching this before, and, basically, no. Most things that eat mosquitos will eat whatever, and often only eat mosquitos themselves incidentally, because apparently they're not numerous enough in relation to their size.

Looks like the main predators of mosquito larvae are mosquito fish and dragonfly nymphs. Both are able to consume other insect larvae.

Also:
Quote from: Wikipedia
Dragonflies see faster than we do; they see around 200 images per second.
Dragonflies can benefit from 200 FPS monitors!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 28, 2021, 06:48:18 am
I dunno why, but playing Eurobeat (and other suitably-fast music) while benchmarking makes it more exciting, even if all I'm staring at is a progress bar or a terminal. Something about it makes the wait more bearable. It leads to disappointment 9 times out of 10, but I'd much prefer excitement-to-disappointment than boredom-to-disappointment.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on March 28, 2021, 12:36:46 pm
Fast music increases heart rate, respiration and blood pressure.  The boredom of benchmarking lets you notice it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on March 28, 2021, 06:04:10 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 28, 2021, 08:12:25 pm
I've finished part of my current benchmarking (x264, x265, VP8 encoding, with various compiler optimizations), and my current summary is: pretty much the quintessential Gentoo experience. Wait for the better part of a day compiling with aggressive optimizations, get 1.5% (at best!) speed gains. Describing the speed gains as "minor" would be an overstatement. This is the computing equivalent of ricing the fuck out of a car. I don't have faith that the later phases will be much better.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on March 28, 2021, 08:41:03 pm
Unless you can find a way to change the algorithmic complexity of what you are doing, or change it from single- to multi-thread, compiler optimizations really are likely to give you only small percentage improvements.

Also if your programs break due to aggressive optimization, there really can be compiler bugs. This is a huge issue with compilers for embedded code; my company has had several compiler patches from our vendors related to optimization bugs.

That said, there are a fair number of application-level bugs that optimization can uncover, such as hidden assumptions about sequence of operation.  Often these are related to (non-)volatility of variables, especially those subject to side effects.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 29, 2021, 06:43:47 am
It's recently been brought to my attention that a C64 can simulate an organ quite well, given equipment to allow for the whole reverb thing (https://youtu.be/YfsyCG-J6R8). This led me to research how organs work, and I realized that pipe organs are an early form of sine wave (P)SG. A single pipe can only produce a sine tone of some frequency determined by its length. The reverb is what gives pipe organs their distinctive sound.

Earlier still in sine-wave synths would be whistling, but that's generally less controllable, and frequency range is generally poor. I can only do 900 Hz to 1800 Hz, just 1 octave.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on March 29, 2021, 07:19:02 am
The reverb is what gives pipe organs their distinctive sound.

Do you mean overtones (and possibly undertones), not reverb?  Reverb is (mostly) going to come from the building in which the organ sits*; there's much academic debate about if the building - especially for large pipe organs - is part of the organ itself (since if you moved the pipes and equipment to another location, it would not sound the same at all).

*There is a bit of resonance set up in the long pipes themselves which will contribute to the sound, but it's unclear if that is what you mean, especially given the sound pressure levels involved with organs. If you could get away with it, the trick would be to hit a pipe with a mallet and hear what it sounds like - but I don't know that you'd excite those modes with the airflow itself because I think the air-based sounds are not close to the same "bell" frequency of the metal itself. But maybe by coincidence they really are close to the same, I'm curious now...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 29, 2021, 07:44:53 am
Shows what I know, then. I should find samples of organs playing a single note, then look at its FFT or something. That should show something. But aren't the over/undertones because almost all organ music is polyphonic? If my understanding of the theory is correct (probably not), then it should be the case that polyphony allows for overtones. A monophonic organ doesn't have overtones in that case.

Then again, they've probably produced organs that produce other, non-sine tones from a single pipe (hence, overtones) by now, so I could well be a victim of my limited knowledge. I'm assuming that organs only produce sound via resonance, for instance.

Edit: hold up, it's multiple harmonics, going {n, 3n, 5n,...} and {2n, 4n, 6n...}? This is getting awfully close to the Fourier series for one of the basic waves. Not sure which one, but it's definitely a resemblance.

I think the air-based sounds are not close to the same "bell" frequency of the metal itself. But maybe by coincidence they really are close to the same, I'm curious now...

Hmm... someone with access to an organ and a spectrum analyzer (or phone-acting-as-spectrum-analyzer) could test that, right? Now, as for where I can find an organ, that's gonna be hard. There aren't many churches where I live, and I doubt they have the budget to buy such large organs.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on March 29, 2021, 09:14:52 am
Damn, now you've got me downloading Tubular Bells all over again.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on March 30, 2021, 04:22:23 am
This is gonna be a bullshit think, but:

Fraunhofer provides an AAC codec library called libfdk_aac, and a speed-optimized version is used for Android devices. It's the standard AAC codec in Android, AFAIK. In FFmpeg's wiki, there's an encoding guide for AAC, and it states the following:

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Note: libfdk_aac defaults to a low-pass filter of around 14kHz (​details (https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Fraunhofer_FDK_AAC#Bandwidth)). If you want to preserve higher frequencies, use -cutoff 18000. Adjust the number to the upper frequency limit only if you need to; keeping in mind that a higher limit may audibly reduce the overall quality.

Pretty shit cutoff frequency, honestly. Just 14 KHz? I can hear up to 18, and I do notice a bit of loss in noise-like instruments at just 14 KHz.

The conspiracy starts when I realized that both iOS and Android phones are capable of using AAC as a codec for Bluetooth audio. They use libfdk_aac, so the cutoff would be by default 14 KHz, and it may be adjusted upwards depending on the manufacturer. I've used this passage before, but it's relevant:
Quote from: https://www.soundguys.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-bluetooth-headphones-aac-20296/
The Huawei P20 Pro performs the worst, with a roll-off occurring at an stunningly-low 14.2kHz—very much still with the range of most people’s hearing. The LG V30 performs marginally better by rolling off at 16kHz, followed by the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 at 17kHz. The iPhone 7 performed by far the best, extending its limit up to 18.9kHz. Although Apple’s phone begins a slower roll-off that has a -3dB point set at about 18kHz.

The lowest cutoff frequency is held by the Huawei at just ~14 KHz, just like the default cutoff for libfdk_aac. Suspiciously similar. Assuming Huawei are using libfdk_aac (I see no reason why not), this implies that Huawei are a bunch of dumb-dumbs and forgot to adjust the cutoff to something higher.

It seems that no-one can agree on a good cutoff value, either; LG uses 16 KHz, Samsung 17, and Apple 18.9. Seems like LG and Samsung are afraid of quality losses from a higher cutoff, so they went for more conservative values. Standardization, my ass!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on April 08, 2021, 12:46:42 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on April 08, 2021, 03:46:58 pm
They're kings, not warriors. Duh.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on April 08, 2021, 04:38:02 pm
When all heroes lie dead the kings live on - Laleh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YiFzda8bLI) (paraphrasetranslated)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 08, 2021, 10:08:18 pm
So I created this dumb diagram to illustrate a point. I apologize to all the pixel artists out there; I don't think it's very good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hv6qKkbX/diagram-optimized.png)

Yeah, when I did that thing where I told FFmpeg to interpret image data as a raw video, push it it through video codecs, then decode it back to get the final result, this is quite literally what I meant. Of course, the resolutions used are a bit higher. I'm realizing that the resolution used for the intermediate "video" has quite a lot of bearing on the pattern of the distortion caused by this lossy encoding.

In this one, the intermediate video was 100x150. (The original image was 2000x3000; cropped for file size reasons).

(https://i.postimg.cc/L8rVF2qc/greenery-waterfall-interleaved-128x128-libx264-64000.jpg).

Very strong, predictable horizontal blocking pattern. I'd call that macro-macroblocking.

Here's one where it was 149x211; both prime numbers (don't believe me? The OEIS says as much (https://oeis.org/A000040))

(https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQ6ZL7/greenery-waterfall-interleaved-233x144-libx264-64000.jpg)

Less predictable. It's noisier, but part of me still thinks there's some pattern to it. It's going from top-left to bottom-right.

Prime numbers can yield a discernible pattern, then. I'm wondering if there exists integers a and b, both equal to or greater than 128 (to keep the codecs happy), such that when used as input dimensions for this process, they produce the "noisiest" pattern.

This feels like a distant relative of the "optimal sunflower seed arrangement" problem, but I'm not sure why I'm saying that. There, it's concerned with packing the most seeds per area. Here, I'm trying to find the input values that yield the least "predictable" patterns.

There does exist the least elegant, brute-force method; just iterate over a and b between 128 and their respective maxima. I already know how that goes in Python:

Code: [Select]
for a in range(128, 2000):
    for b in range(128, 3000):
        inSize = str(a) + "x" + str(b)

which would be some 5 million possible resolutions and output images. Not feasible. Even if I limited the range to [128, 500], it'd still be a staggering 130 thousand.

I dunno, modular arithmetic? You want to find a and b such that a*b*x mod 2000 (x is the "frame number", 2000 is the image width) yields the longest possible period? But that's not even the case; f(x) = 149*211x mod 2000 still generates a 2000-long period (which is the longest possible?), yet produces a visible pattern of some kind. Maybe if you consider the simplest possible "encoder"? Odd frames black, even frames white?

I have no clue anymore.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on April 08, 2021, 10:14:41 pm
... why isn't five million output images feasible, again? Those words read to me like saying it's not feasible for several million word works of fiction to exist, tbh. Maybe it isn't, but that doesn't stop people :V
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 08, 2021, 10:35:59 pm
Consider that I'm working with raw image data, in 24-bit RGB. Uncompressed raw image data. The image dimensions are 2000 x 3000. This means:
Size per raw image = 2000 px * 3000 px * 3 bytes per color = 18 MB per image.

So, uh, 18 megs times 5 million would be 90 terabytes, if I've understood my SI prefixes correctly. That's feasible for a large server, completely inaccessible for the average Joe. Imagine how much you'd pay in hard drive space!

Hell, even with the lower bound of [128, 500], you'd still need 2 and a bit terabytes. Maybe you have the budget for a 4 TB hard drive. I don't.

But, hey, if you wanna try, I've patched my Python script to iterate over resolutions instead of bitrates! You'll need a copy of FFmpeg in PATH and a 2000x3000 raw image as input. Oh, and you'll still need an image editor that will support opening raw image data to open the output files. I suggest Irfanview.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on April 09, 2021, 02:35:20 am
So what exactly is the endgame for this whole project?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 09, 2021, 04:42:51 am
There is none! Just like before. Not every project has to have a satisfying ending; do most things have satisfying endings? Does every movie have a good ending? Do most people die in a blaze of glory? Is every discovery as useful as the Discrete Cosine Transform? Good endings are statistically very, very rare. It's nice if anything I do ends up being significant in the future, but it's not likely.

The metapoint in me documenting these things is that I'll be able to recall elements from these explorations ("project" implies a definite goal) that'll be used later on. Whether it'll bear fruit now is irrelevant. I'm sure Einstein had a couple of duds before coming up with Relativity, but to say that those duds were entirely worthless because they weren't themselves revolutionary is to deny the fact that knowledge is incremental. Rome wasn't built in a day, just like knowledge can't be.

I've basically been guessing at things to do with raw data, and the ones that produce viable results are just lucky. This one... I'll let it incubate in the Idea Machine, freely mixed in with a hundred different ideas. Something will happen in there, and I have no way of knowing what.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: taat on April 09, 2021, 07:55:35 am
You don't actually need to save the files to disk, you can just discard every image that doesn't set a new "noisiness" record (unless you want to compare every image to every other image or something horrible like that)

Granted iterating all 5 million images would probably take several weeks still, and you need an actual objective way to determine noisiness
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 09, 2021, 08:12:51 am
You don't actually need to save the files to disk, you can just discard every image that doesn't set a new "noisiness" record (unless you want to compare every image to every other image or something horrible like that)

Ayyy! You've moved the problem from "infeasible" to "doable given enough time"!

Granted iterating all 5 million images would probably take several weeks still

I do have a little Intel NUC sitting at home that I can control remotely. I suppose the computational requirement is basically done; that thing's just sitting around doing mostly nothing for months on end. I've been itching to find dumb ways to use all 2.8 GHz of its power. It's "cloud computing". I think I (or someone else; I put it in public domain) could repatch that script to automatically create PNG files and do nice image comparison stuffs; FFmpeg's very versatile, and I've made that script platform-agnostic without even realizing it.

and you need an actual objective way to determine noisiness

I dunno, my first idea was "use SSIM to compare between a random noise image and the current image", but I really don't think that was the intended use for such a metric. The theory there would be "find the image that most closely resembles noise", but I doubt it works at all like that. Not when you're literally pitting noise against slightly-less noisy noise to see if slightly-less noisy noise is noisier than the noisiest noise found thus far.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on April 09, 2021, 09:14:06 am
Who cares about intent if it works, though? Might as well try!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: taat on April 09, 2021, 09:41:01 am
Now that I think of it, the best way to figure out how noisy the image is would probably be to use compression, since images with higher entropy/noise are less compressible. either see how large a losslessly compressed result is (though the fact that thedimensions of the image change with the parameter may skew the result) or see how large the difference between a lossy compressed image and the original is

There's still the problem that different compression methods give different results. And the absolute best compression methods are extremely slow
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on April 09, 2021, 07:17:58 pm
I think you can use a FFT or other spectral analysis, which can be very fast (much faster than compression) and get a deterministic metric describing the noise.

For a FFT, if the levels of all frequencies are the same, that basically means it's random and as noisy as you can get.  If you have peaks at one or more frequencies, that means it's not random.

You could probably do the FFT, do a standard deviation on the levels with respect to frequency, and the lower it is, the more noisy it is.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 11, 2021, 04:58:23 am
I've been thinking of this "uncompressed data conversion" matrix. I've sorta wanted to review it. Here:
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                            Increasing bandwidth
                       ----------------------------->

                       +-----+-------+-------+-------+
                     | |\    |       |       |       |
                     | | \ In|       |       |       |
                     | |  \  | Audio | Image | Video |
                     | |Out\ |       |       |       |
                     | |    \|       |       |       |
                     | +-----+-------+-------+-------+
                     | |     | Audio | Image | Video |
                     | |Audio|  to   |  to   |  to   |
                     | |     | audio | audio | audio |
Increasing bandwidth | +-----+-------+-------+-------+
                     | |     | Audio | Image | Video |
                     | |Image|  to   |  to   |  to   |
                     | |     | image | image | image |
                     | +-----+-------+-------+-------+
                     | |     | Audio | Image | Video |
                     | |Video|  to   |  to   |  to   |
                     | |     | video | video | video |
                     v +-----+-------+-------+-------+

If we were all to go back to dial-up over POTS lines (the technical term is DS0), we'd end up converting all our data to audio at some point. All data ends up as audio. Hell, even T-whatever and DSL are literally transmitting data over many POTS lines at once, so that too is actually audio at some point. Interesting point, but not the one I'm focusing on.

See, I'm thinking of the idea that any uncompressed data can be converted to any of these formats (text is a valid format, but too-low bandwidth to consider here) with enough prodding. With a lossless encoder, it must always yield a result that's identical to the original when decoded back to its original form, though you may lose a couple bytes converting to video. With a lossy encoder... you'll get interesting results. Even more prodding is required in practice, but I know it can yield viable results. Something that's implied here is that the third and final step is always "> (Original format)". I am not touching that rabbit hole of doing stuff like "Audio to video to image to audio to image to...".

The trivial ones are the X to X ones. These do have some use, but it's mostly what is called "digital generation loss". If you've ever seen those "deep-fried" memes, that's an example of going "Original image > JPEG > JPEG > JPEG > (Superimpose smaller image on top) > JPEG..." until you end up with a suitably-degraded image. 'Video to image' and 'Image to video' are also trivial. That's under "no shit, Sherlock": all videos are series of images; series of images can be compiled into videos.

So that's 5 excluded for being too boring. This leaves 4.

Image to audio is pretty good. Depending on your choice of lossy codec, you could end up with some good effects, though it's a lot of blurring and line-by-line artifacting at lower bitrates.

Video to audio is rather limited, as far as lossy codecs go. Using Bad Apple as a test video (as you do), there really aren't many codecs that run at less than 32 kbps to yield suitable amounts of distortion. Off the top of my head, they are Opus, AAC, Speex, and G.7-something (it's one of the GSM codecs). Then again, I'm using black-and-white footage; it's not really showing off the full power of this technique. God, I need good, freely-licensed test footage. I'm aware of Xiph's collection of lossless footage (https://media.xiph.org/), so I really should look at it in depth.

Audio to image... I tried it once, ghastly results. I should really revisit it; maybe screwing with royalty-free music might be seen as "ironic", even if I haven't a clue what I'm doing.

Audio to video is also pretty good. All my ears can hear is quantization noise; it's great! Seems to need bitrates below 32 kbps, and there aren't many video codecs able to operate at this low a bitrate. Then again, I could always increase the internal resolution to evade this issue entirely. It's good as long as you intend it to be audio at the end. Just 'audio to video' yields something like:

(https://i.postimg.cc/dtLRxFkx/audio.gif)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 13, 2021, 08:02:30 pm
The thing about trying to degrade raw image/video data using lossy audio-based methods (recursive re-recording, lossy audio codecs) is that color is the first thing that dies out. Always. Doesn't matter which color space you use.

In RGB-land (and other color-component-separated color spaces), the R, G and B components in a(n) image/video are almost always strongly correlated, at least when working with footage of things in real life. If you were to define the average RGB component, Av = (R + G + B), then my strong suspicion is that the values Av - R, Av - B, and Av - B, are very "weak" relative to the magnitude of Av. As such, the first things to go are the colors, since they're the weakest part of the "signal". Those are the parts that tend to get "smoothed-off" first, as it is. Even if each component is processed individually (and they are), color is still the first thing to go.

In YUV-land (or any color space that defines a grayscale component and a set of chroma components), a different problem arises. The grayscale component is the "sharpest" signal. That's where your detail is. The chroma parts are very "blurry", as it is; the color is painted on top of a grayscale image. When you process this, you end up losing the already-blurry chroma signal first. This is why VHS tapes lose their color long before they lose their grayscale if you induce generation loss by recursively re-recording tapes. There's simply very little detail to preserve in the color components. Don't blame them for this, blame evolution. Our eyes have good grayscale perception, but weak color perception. As such, blurry color is always harder to spot than blurry grayscale.

So at this point, does there exist a color space that doesn't suffer from either issue? If there is, there wouldn't be much incentive to support it; any such 'space simply doesn't follow human visual perception, nor has the convenience that RGB offers for our tech. Still, I'd consider a color space in which the grayscale and color parts degrade at roughly the same rate an interesting thought experiment, if such a thing can exist. Send me the encoder and decoder for that if you make one. I wanna see that shit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on April 14, 2021, 01:35:22 am
The deviations from average brightness are high frequency and low amplitude, so I can see why they could get shaved off. You could just try encoding the color channels separately and then interleaving.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 14, 2021, 04:54:46 am
So at this point, does there exist a color space that doesn't suffer from either issue?

I'll respond to myself. I have tentative evidence to say that there likely does exist such a color space, and I sure as hell didn't expect it to be widely available. This is a frame from Big Buck Bunny, encoded in YUV 4:2:0, and pushed through the reference Opus audio codec (libopus) at 8 kbps. The wraparound isn't intentional, but I think it adds to the VHS-like aesthetic. The ones next to it are the same thing using YUV 4:4:4, again with 24-bit RGB, and the original.

(https://i.postimg.cc/P5ZtXZwN/BBB-vid-yuv420p-ffvhuff-libopus-8k-frame-5534.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/DzT78Zr6/BBB-vid-yuv444p-ffvhuff-libopus-8k-frame-5534.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/cH1ZBb58/BBB-vid-ffvhuff-libopus-8k-frame-5534.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/fbfDXN5N/BBB-frame-5534.jpg)

For the YUV color spaces:
Extreme loss of detail on all channels, check.
Colors retained despite that, check.
Unintentional artificial VHS look, check.

Oh, and the attribution? "The movie frames shown above are (c) copyright 2008, Blender Foundation / www.bigbuckbunny.org". Check. (Hey, between this and paying someone to use their stuff, I'd much prefer this)

Edit: I tentatively take it back. YUV spaces tend to do quite well with color preservation, at least when working with video and using lossy audio codecs. RGB 24-bit suffers from sudden color death. For Big Buck Bunny over there, the point of sudden color death is between 20 kbps and 20.5 kbps with libopus.

I wonder if 'abuse of lossy audio codecs' and 'generation loss by recursive re-recording' actually behave differently with respect to color spaces and color preservation under their respective forms of degradation.

The deviations from average brightness are high frequency and low amplitude, so I can see why they could get shaved off. You could just try encoding the color channels separately and then interleaving.

Wait, isn't that what interleaved RGB is? I'm having trouble trying to interpret what you mean. If I just induce exponential generation loss on this here innocent picture (https://unsplash.com/photos/2fXrCJK0mf0)...

(https://i.postimg.cc/5y7w1HCs/0.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/fbmjXTGb/1.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/bJP0RfP9/2-corrected.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/gJKVStkF/4-corrected.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/PJrmBbPL/8-corrected.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/Bn8CSCNH/16-corrected.jpg)

And those are, left-to-right, the original, pass 1, pass 2, pass 4, pass 8, and pass 16. If you can see the hue shifting a bit, your eyes aren't fooling you. Interleaved images are pains-in-the-ass to deal with, precisely for this reason; they can sometimes shift hue by 30 degrees (rather than the 60 you'd expect from byte misalignment), which I didn't believe until I put some calibration bars on an earlier image.

It's doing pretty good color-wise given that's 16 iterations. If that's what you meant, that I'd agree.

Here's one I "baked" earlier: a planar RGB image. These are the original (https://unsplash.com/photos/LEDsQqf-4Jw), pass 1, 2, and 3.

(https://i.postimg.cc/t4zsP5WZ/pass-0.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/QN6sp7KY/pass-1.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/cJ4rcnBD/pass-2.jpg) (https://i.postimg.cc/VkwSdTrP/pass-3.jpg)

It's not even on an exponential scale, and the color's still fading so damn hard. It's almost disheartening to see the color fade so quickly. A shame, too. I love working with planar images because they don't suffer from the hue-shifting issue that interleaved images do.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on April 16, 2021, 01:45:29 am
I mean separate the channels first (uninterleave), encode each, then interleave again.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 16, 2021, 02:52:46 am
My first thought was:

1. Start with RGB,
2. Split into planes of R, G and B with FFmpeg's extractplanes filter.
3. Use mergeplanes to generate colorized versions of the initially-grayscale planes by using one plane each as input, since extractplanes yields grayscale versions.
4. Encode those components as YUV.
5. Pipe those individually through an audio system, save them. (Or perform some other databending activity)
6. Re-encode those back to RGB.
7. Use extractplanes to extract only the individual components.
8. Use mergeplanes to merge together the individual components back to RGB.
9. Done.

Incredibly convoluted. That's Rube Goldberg-levels of complexity. That's, like, 15 individual FFmpeg operations, probably fewer if you used filtergraphs (which are black magic to me).

That, or you mean:

1. Start with RGB.
2. Split into RGB planes with extractplanes (remember, the output planes are grayscale).
3. Re-encode them back to RGB.
4. Pipe them individually through an audio system.
5. Use extractplanes to extract only the individual components in the RGB-ized components (which themselves represent RGB planes)
6. Use mergeplanes to merge them back to RGB.
7. Done.

I think that's 8 individual FFmpeg operations without filtergraphs.

I'm not sure of any other interpretations. Is this what you meant? "Interleave" is a 'reserved word' to me within this context; to me, it can only ever mean the way in which some pixel formats are stored RGB RGB RGB (...) instead of RRR (...) GGG (...) BBB as planar formats are stored (replacing R, G and B with the appropriate components in the general case). "Packed" is also reserved for this reason. That's why I thought you meant interleaved RGB.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 18, 2021, 03:10:13 am
I think I may have found a possible crash blossom (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crash_blossom) (but it's a heading, not a headline) in the wild, assuming you think "factor" is a verb (considering the target audience, they probably do):

The Future Of Camera Form Factors In Your Hands (https://hackaday.com/2020/07/01/why-are-digital-cameras-still-boring/)

Spoiler: My interpretation (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on April 24, 2021, 11:01:46 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on April 27, 2021, 08:55:48 pm
On this day in history, Mussolini was executed.

Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on April 27, 2021, 10:29:50 pm
On this day in history, Mussolini was executed.

Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.
P to piss on grave.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on April 28, 2021, 12:44:23 am
On this day in history, Mussolini was executed.

Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.
P to piss on grave.
S to shit on grave.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 28, 2021, 12:46:22 am
On this day in history, Mussolini was executed.

Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.
P to piss on grave.
S to shit on grave.
I don't think his grave deserves fertilizer.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on April 28, 2021, 03:12:24 am
But a grave by definition has fertiliser
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on April 28, 2021, 03:35:58 am
On this day in history, Mussolini was executed.

Let me press F on the world's smallest keyboard.
P to piss on grave.
S to shit on grave.
I don't think his grave deserves fertilizer.
Human shit is terrible for plants.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ArchimedesWojak on April 28, 2021, 11:34:55 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0EGJvfWEAUCTgC?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on April 28, 2021, 12:07:14 pm
I saw that initial Imgur link. Is Imgur just blocking image-loading on Bay12 (I suppose non-HTTPS websites too?) completely now? First profile pics, now just everything? Though checking the Random Art thread and just doing the ol' Ctrl+F5 still loads them just fine, seemingly.

Is it just for new images, then? Here:

(https://i.imgur.com/3ErQexE.png)

(source) (https://unsplash.com/photos/o5GGlwHfff8)

If it loaded on your end, then it's fine.
If not, I guess not.

Was it just yours, then, like it's some kind of Schrodinger's image?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ArchimedesWojak on April 28, 2021, 12:24:50 pm
The Imgur link didn't work so i just took the orignal link from the actual screenshot
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 02, 2021, 12:27:04 am
A frametime graph is the opposite of an EKG. If the former is flat, that mean everything's fine. If the latter is flat, you have problems on your hands.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on May 03, 2021, 12:38:38 am
I wonder how many times the authorities have been called due to software performing an illegal operation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 03, 2021, 10:13:02 am
I wanna see a CPU with pointless instructions. For instance, a sin(x) instruction that only allows integer x, and outputs only integers, rounding randomly. x is still in radians. A "vector" multiplication instruction that only operates on 1-dimensional vectors. A floor(x) instruction that only works on integer x.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on May 03, 2021, 10:43:12 am
I'd be more interested in an analog processor, where instead of registers to hold digital values, you really do store analog quantities.  You could theoretically use one capacitor to store an arbitrary precision value, and just use an ADC when you want the result in a digital form.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on May 03, 2021, 10:45:33 am
I wanna see a CPU with pointless instructions. For instance, a sin(x) instruction that only allows integer x, and outputs only integers, rounding randomly. x is still in radians. A "vector" multiplication instruction that only operates on 1-dimensional vectors. A floor(x) instruction that only works on integer x.
Youuu should look into this game called TIS-100.  Its an odd programming puzzle game that uses assembly in some sort of multi cell/core architecture.  Each puzzle is about making the machine do different operations.  Like you had a grid of CPUs that can run in parallel, but each one only holds a handful of instructions and only two memory slots, so complex operations required multiple working together and passing values around.

I remember getting stuck on one about determining if random numbers were prime or not.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ArchimedesWojak on May 03, 2021, 10:45:53 am
There should be a website for cataloging websites because i want to visit new websites but i don't want to visit a dangerous site

Like Wikipedia but for websites

Just one big list of websites put in different categories

Like maybe one day i'll be like "I want to see a new forum" and then i could go to the forum category and find one i have never seen before

Or maybe i con be like "Where are all the pet lovers at" and i can search the pets category

Or maybe "I want to find some fellas to play D&D with" and i could put D&D in the search bar and it could be like "Oh you want some D&D stuff oh ok here you go" and then it would get links to different D&D websites like D&D Beyond and other stuff

The site can also give suggestions based on your search

IE:

Me: "I want to see guns"

Websites.com: "Ok here's a site under the Firearms category"

Websites.com "This site has homophobic slurs on the home page though"

Me: "Fuck that i want a new one"

Websites.com: "Ok here's a site for liberal gun enthusiasts"

Me: "No i want a non-political gun forum"

Websites.com: "Ok here you go"

Something like this could work it's hard to find new stuff without clicking/searching random URL's and something like this would make it easy and safer
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on May 03, 2021, 02:30:18 pm
So, uh... google?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ArchimedesWojak on May 03, 2021, 03:00:07 pm
So, uh... google?

Google and other search engines have a bad habit of giving unrelated results and occasionally lead to malware and other junk

I just want a way to find new websites in a safe easy and quick way without having to deal with search engine bullshit

Think of what im thinking as more like a database
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on May 03, 2021, 03:22:46 pm
Sounds like you have discovered the idea for a lifetime's work, ArchimedesWojak.  Get busy and get it started!   ;)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ArchimedesWojak on May 03, 2021, 04:24:57 pm
Sounds like you have discovered the idea for a lifetime's work, ArchimedesWojak.  Get busy and get it started!   ;)

Alright then so be it
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 03, 2021, 11:49:39 pm
That's just Yahoo back in the olden days (i.e before I was born), right? If you check the Wayback Machine and go all the way back to 1996, it's both a search engine and a link directory. I remember reading this old-ass book (Windows 95 was the recommended OS) about how to use the Internet, and there were a bunch of link directories in it. I think Yahoo was one of them before becoming a search engine.



My confidence in a subject is proportional to how much of an ass-beating I'll get during the test. If I'm stressing over how I haven't studied enough, I'm likely to do very well. If I'm confident that I'll do well, my pride and dignity gets nuked from orbit as I stumble through the questions.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ArchimedesWojak on May 04, 2021, 07:19:00 am
That's just Yahoo back in the olden days (i.e before I was born), right? If you check the Wayback Machine and go all the way back to 1996, it's both a search engine and a link directory. I remember reading this old-ass book (Windows 95 was the recommended OS) about how to use the Internet, and there were a bunch of link directories in it. I think Yahoo was one of them before becoming a search engine.

Yes this! My idea is to create basically a database of link directories to various websites so that forums like this are easy to find

Do you understand the sheer hours it took me  to find this forum! It would have been easier to go to a database sort forums alphabetically and then scroll down to B.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 04, 2021, 08:42:07 am
And the implication there is that you came here as a result of actively searching for new forums. That's... new. I think it's within reason to say that Bay12 General Discussion gets its new members mostly by DF or by word-of-mouth. I'll have to add that to the possible answers to "Why did you come here?" (which needs rephrasing) in a Bay12 census if I ever bother with it.

I think that's an interesting kind of user. Someone who bounces around communities, actively seeking them out. A 'nomad' or 'shooting star', if you will. I'm the exact opposite; I refuse to join anything without a really good reason, and I actively avoid participating in them if forced. I don't think I have enough brainpower to juggle even one more community; any possible alternatives need to be good enough to replace Bay12, which I don't see happening.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ArchimedesWojak on May 04, 2021, 10:06:13 am
"Why did you come here?"

Accidental Discovery
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 04, 2021, 10:15:16 pm
People who share code for programming languages (that aren't like Piet (https://esolangs.org/wiki/Piet)) in image form rather than text are the scum of the earth.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on May 08, 2021, 06:59:02 am
I don't even remember how I first came here.

Then I spent ~2 years being a troll, a wonder I didn't get banned. Ugh.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on May 08, 2021, 07:14:16 am
People who share code for programming languages (that aren't like Piet (https://esolangs.org/wiki/Piet)) in image form rather than text are the scum of the earth.

This speaks to me on an emotional level
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 08, 2021, 08:01:32 am
I don't even remember how I first came here.

Then I spent ~2 years being a troll, a wonder I didn't get banned. Ugh.

I mean, everyone has their own pasts that they're ashamed of, no? I started off because I was interested in a glitchy fortress idea that some people were juggling around. I think my (relatively-minor) involvement in it was a bit embarrassing looking back, but I had fun. That's all that matters, right? You can't change the past, so the only thing you can do now is to accept that it happened. Acceptance is the last stage of the stages of grief.

If the start is defined by "first post in General Discussion", I literally barged in there in multiple threads. You know how people do PTWs in threads they're interested in? The intent of all those first posts, more-or-less, were PTWs. Neutral, uncontroversial posts that allowed me to gain a foothold.

I remember staying around in the Sad and Mildly Upset (back when it was called "Mildly Sad") threads and posting stuff that reflected my... fragile mental state at the time. I wasn't doing too good back then. I could go back and check, but I don't really want to be exposed to that much of my own sadness and instability at once. I think it bled over into every post I made, even those not in GD. Go ahead, look at those posts (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=123764). I just don't have the heart to look back at them.

There, I'm not really embarrassed, as much as I feel pity. I remember regretting every post I made back in early-to-mid 2019, but I think that same regret is a reflection of my own validation-seeking nature at the time. I've elaborated on the middle school trauma numerous times before, so I don't think it bears repeating here. They were not good times.

I don't want to diagnose you with anything, but is your apparent fixation with your past (however bad it was and/or how bad you were) echoing something bad that happened in your life? I don't mean any judgement with that question. I just think that if you talk about it so much, I think it's worth looking inwards as to why. I had a fixation with my past that didn't quite die down until around March this year, and it was only through a mixture of introspection and seeking external help that it's reached record lows.

I don't expect you to like what I'm saying here. Just keep it in mind, because themes that are recurring like this might have a deeper underlying meaning.

(...and that's the 3rd time I've shown concern for people in a 3-month span...)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on May 08, 2021, 09:29:53 am
I used to talk about it way more.

It's just... I got up to some REALLY messed-up shit behind the scenes back then. It wasn't shared here (not the Roblox thing, that was before what I am talking about), it's mostly limited to Discord DMs with my best friend and a few obscure servers. And the guilt remains subconsciously. Sorry if I still talk about that too much.

So yes I guess I am traumatized.

This thread is about to hit 100 pages. I'm proud.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 08, 2021, 10:13:43 am
I don't mind that you talk about it, and I don't really believe in a "too much" of talking about emotions and feelings. We all need an outlet for our feelings. At least it shows you're able to say it. Lots of people just keep their problems pent-up inside them, never saying a word, and that's worse than talking about it.

That's, like, classical toxic masculinity, though I suspect there are analogues across other toxic gender stereotypes.



I originally came here to say one thing: The music I listen to has little dynamic range. I think I'd be right in saying that the most dynamic range I ever regularly experienced was Tame Impala's One More Hour (https://youtu.be/Y0U6u2D8cMU), and that's only -10 dBFS RMS, a DR of 6/14. My music is loud as shit, in other words. I think it's because I listen to pop and a lot of vaporwave/future funk (which is itself derived mostly from pop), and those genres are not at all known for anything resembling dynamic range.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 10, 2021, 09:04:36 am
I've had this analogy in my head for cooperative multitasking for days now. I don't think it's very accurate. I must've gotten it from somewhere, but I'm not sure where.

Suppose there was a teacher (the kernel) and a bunch of kids (processes) in a classroom (OS) together. The kids need to do some kind of large overarching task (running the OS), but they only have a single sheet of paper (the hardware) to do it on.

The teacher hands the paper to the first kid who asks for it. This is done under the assumption that the kid will just pass it back when they're done. Once the kid hands it back, the teacher looks for the second kid who asked. Then once Kid #2's done, the teacher hands it to Kid #3. And so on.

The glaring problem with this kind of multitasking is that a kid might not give the paper back for whatever reason. Maybe they're being a little shit, maybe they're stuck, maybe they're waiting for someone and they're stuck, who knows? And if that happens (which it will), the whole task is basically screwed. Only thing you can do is to end the session, and hope the paper isn't too badly damaged to continue.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ArchimedesWojak on May 10, 2021, 01:47:31 pm
(https://imgur.com/a/KE9c6Hl)

Goddammit imgur wont load my honey badger picture
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yellow Pixel on May 10, 2021, 03:12:59 pm
Shameful! The honey badger is one of the coolest mustelids!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 10, 2021, 04:29:01 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 12, 2021, 07:46:58 am
"Back in my day, you could push sound through a real video codec like Cinepak, and you'd get good results. Now, you got your aitch-two-six-five, your vee-pee-nine, and your ay-vee-one, and they sound like robots screwing. *sips Mountain Dew*"

-- Me, after a previous version of this post stated that older video codecs do better on audio compression.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on May 12, 2021, 11:04:11 am
I know the fact that cats like paperboxes is also very much about it conserving heat, and protecting from sight. But maybe they like paperboxes THAT much because we often keep kitties in them? Some early childhood memories about feeling safe so to say.

I've heard it's an agorophobia thing, which is also why they like hiding in drawers, under beds, behind couches, etc.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 16, 2021, 04:44:41 am
After some thought, I realize that this function I adapted from the u-law algorithm for a forum game

(https://i.postimg.cc/gjTFLgp1/modified.png)

as a sorta-sigmoid (but not really) is a "polarizer" (surely there's an official word for this). It takes deviations from the center of the distribution, and pushes them toward the nearest edge. If I just generate a metric fuckton (which in this case means 100000) of uniformly-distributed numbers in the range [-1,1], and define x1 = 0, s = 1, ys = 1, o = 0, u = 255, then put said fuckton into f(x), I get this histogram:

(https://i.postimg.cc/qJVhnsxT/figure-2-dark.png)

Which certainly looks like the inverse of a normal distribution and their ilk, at least in general shape and "feel". That one collects values near the center. This one collects values away from the center and pushes them to the edges.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: taat on May 16, 2021, 10:58:25 am
It's very similar to tanh in that way
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 16, 2021, 01:07:44 pm
I know the fact that cats like paperboxes is also very much about it conserving heat, and protecting from sight. But maybe they like paperboxes THAT much because we often keep kitties in them? Some early childhood memories about feeling safe so to say.
I've heard it's an agorophobia thing, which is also why they like hiding in drawers, under beds, behind couches, etc.
Cats like boxes so much, you don't even need actual boxes, just the right sort of tape put on the floor in a box shape (https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/05/what-cats-love-of-boxes-and-squares-can-tell-us-about-their-visual-perception/). We don't really seem to know the exact why of it, yet, but it's definitely a thing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 16, 2021, 03:15:07 pm
Cats like boxes so much, you don't even need actual boxes, just the right sort of tape put on the floor in a box shape (https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/05/what-cats-love-of-boxes-and-squares-can-tell-us-about-their-visual-perception/). We don't really seem to know the exact why of it, yet, but it's definitely a thing.
That's not really what that article is saying. Did you read the linked study? It wasn't even testing whether cats prefer rectangular delineated spaces to some alternative, and only a minority of test subjects settled in a delineated space at all; certainly they don't seem to have behaved like they thought it was equivalent to a cardboard box. The article is discussing whether cats' visual systems are susceptible to a particular illusion in the edge-finding process as humans' are, which seems to be the case.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 16, 2021, 06:06:07 pm
It's very similar to tanh in that way

I suppose it's common to all sigmoid functions, no? They all look vaguely like that f(x), so they'll all do something like that.

Though I'll clarify that the purpose of sigmoid functions is to do a one-to-one mapping of the range [-∞, ∞] to [-1, 1], or at least they make it really convenient to do so. The original purpose of that f(x) is to map the range [-1, 1] to [-1, 1] {ensuring that the function exists at the points (-1, -1) and (1, 1)}, but non-linearly. There's uses for that in telephony and such; see u-law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C-law_algorithm) and A-law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-law_algorithm).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 17, 2021, 10:36:14 pm
I swear, calculus (and math, I guess) is just a string-rewriting system. Match some pattern, replace with something else. Match another pattern, replace that with something else. Match yet another pattern, replace that with something else. Repeat until you see the final answer (i.e when the derivative/integral operators disappear).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on May 17, 2021, 11:07:02 pm
Babies have no concept of exponential growth.  It has to be taught - one of the core lessons, perhaps.  Something can increase, yes - but faster!  faster with more time!
"For how long?" "Faster the more long"
"But how fast??" "Faster the more long"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 17, 2021, 11:36:46 pm
Babies have no concept of exponential growth.  It has to be taught - one of the core lessons, perhaps.  Something can go up, yes - but faster!  faster with more time!
"For how long?" "Faster the more long"
"But how fast??" "Faster the more long"

That's strange; isn't human perception more-or-less logarithmic (see Weber–Fechner law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law))? I suppose that would make exponential growth look linear to babies, since logs and exponentials cancel each other out. They don't have any understanding of linear scales.

That reminds me: I heard that young children and those who have no formal math education will draw an exponential number line if you just asked them to label evenly-spaced marks on a blank number line. The first mark might be 1, the second 2, then 3, 5, 7, 11, 17, 25, 38 (...). It's only when they have some math education, they start drawing a linear number line (1, 2, 3, 4...). I so want the source on that, since I must've heard it from somewhere.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on May 17, 2021, 11:54:19 pm
That's strange; isn't human perception more-or-less logarithmic (see Weber–Fechner law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law))?
Good point.  In current day, it's silly to be afraid of of individuals consuming, when each human is consuming ever more.

(Ignoring all local adjustments, as usual)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ArchimedesWojak on May 18, 2021, 08:40:14 am
There was a story on 4chan a few years back about a guy getting laundry detergent thrown at him because he spent his money on drugs(?)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 18, 2021, 09:50:04 am
Breath of the Wild is probably the most educational game I've played in years. Probably the most educational game I've played in my life, period.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 18, 2021, 11:02:05 pm
I feel that in the audiophile community (keeping in mind that I only observe from afar), you have two extremes of audiophile. The Rationalist, and the Romanticist.

    The Rationalist is rational. I admit that I would sit quite firmly on this side, hence the bias.

• They know full well that 44.1 KHz, 16 bit (or 24-bit in extreme circumstances) for playback is enough, since human hearing can only go up to 20 KHz, and 96 dB of dynamic range is plenty for almost all music. They have articles like 24/192 Music Downloads ...and why they make no sense (https://web.archive.org/web/20180617142251/https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html) and videos like Digital Show and Tell (https://youtu.be/cIQ9IXSUzuM) bookmarked, ready to be pulled out for any argument.

• Tends to prefer digital, but some do prefer analog. Of those who like analog, they know it's technically worse than digital objectively speaking, but have a personal preference for it, and/or cite the different mixing used for analog copies of music. The ability to clearly demarcate between objective measures and personal preference is common.

• They tend to do rigorous ABX testing on all their stuff.

• Because of their rationality, they tend to be quite good at picking out quality audio equipment (and setting them up properly) without overspending. Honest, transparent and detailed reviews are their thing.

• Through theoretical knowledge and ABX testing, they know that FLAC and WAV are identical in decoded output.  They may have differing opinions on lossy formats, but they'll all agree on uncompressed and compressed lossless being identical.

• Tends to have scientific background or otherwise one that demands rational thinking.



    The Romanticist is rather romantic in their view of audio technology.

• They tend to be susceptible to marketing guff. Overspending is common for these types.

• They tend to describe audio as "warm" or "cold", and think that this is some objective measure, rather than a perceptual and subjective thing. They often have difficulty in clearly laying out what is fact and what is opinion.

• They might believe that FLAC and WAV do not produce identical output, despite all evidence to the contrary, and will give increasingly-irrelevant goalpost-shifts to convince themselves of that belief.

• They might believe that $1000 cables for digital signals actually do something. They tend to suffer heavily from placebo effect.

• They might think that vinyl and cassette are somehow inherently and technically superior to digital.

• Tends to have artistic background or otherwise one that demands Romantic/creative thinking.

Of course, everyone is different, and lots of people lean on one edge but still take elements from the other. This isn't gospel. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who is perfectly on one end. I would (I don't see myself as an audiophile) sit very close to the far Rationalist end, but I'm sure someone's even more of a Rationalist than I am. I don't know the intricacies of resampling algorithms or the CD Audio (de-)emphasis algorithm, for instance.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 19, 2021, 01:40:54 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TheSteppeWolf on May 20, 2021, 11:07:38 am
I intend to talk here more (lurking for months and reading threads here and forum games, I know yall). I like this community tho.

Anyways... College was closed to due reasons they don't want to tell us (weird). Parents work as delivery management negotiators. They took me with them on a roadtrip. Fairly short, the only thing noteworthwhile, that happened, is that a huge butterfly got splattered all over the windshield.

But anyways we have arrived. Sainshand. Dusty desert town. Less backwards than I expected tho. Actually has internet but it's very slow. Seriously I'm worried it will go out soon before I finish writing this. Still better than I expected, I expected basically no internet. Will go to the museum tomorrow and report Ig.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on May 20, 2021, 12:42:12 pm
I remember ya. Look forward to your increased posting.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on May 20, 2021, 01:56:57 pm
Anyways... College was closed to due reasons they don't want to tell us (weird).
Was it aliens? I bet it was aliens
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 20, 2021, 06:31:50 pm
I bought an uptone usb regen, how high does that put me on the cuckoo scale? (I was looking for a seperate power supply for my usb soundcard initially, had to use like 5-6m of cable (I'll pick one's with ferrite core for something like that, but all reused from other stuff, no money for voodoo cables, cables are expensive enough) and that was causing issues, usb regen is what I settled with and I love the thing, increased system stability by several orders of magnitude even if windows is still kind of stupid when it comes to ASIO, and personally I prefer the sound). Not so long ago I would have told you 192kbs mp3 is enough, one or two songs will go unnoticed even on big time speaker for events. With the usb regen I am convinced I can hear when it's not 320kbs. I don't care for FLAC because if I started collecting that and take a liking in it, that would basically invalidate my current library, also: space, that might be getting less and less of an issue, but still there is old computers servicing my DJ equip.

I wouldn't put you super high on the cuckoo scale, but you're reaching it. Empirical measurements show that it's equal to placebo. (https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/uptone-iso-regen-review-and-measurements.1829/) If you ask me, I'd suggest doing ABX testing against the USB thing and nothing, but I'm saying this as someone who hasn't conducted an ABX test on themselves yet (and I'm not sure how'd you do that). Maybe your stock ASIO is just total shit or something.

Also, have you heard of our lord and savior, Opus? It's one of the best general-purpose audio codecs, beating out AAC in tests at 64 kbps (https://www.webcitation.org/6B2a5fQ7Y?url=http://people.xiph.org/~greg/opus/ha2011/) and 96 kbps (http://listening-test.coresv.net/results.htm). It's miles better than MP3, I'll say that. The best part is that its best (and only?) encoder is completely free to use, completely free of all the legal nonsense surrounding AAC encoders. It's gotten lots of use online; Discord, Spotify (odd, they seem to use Vorbis, its predecessor, instead), WhatsApp, YouTube, and so on. It's able to scale from 6 KHz narrowband voice all the way to 48 KHz fullband music.

It's unfortunate that it's not more popular in audiophile circles, but I think that's both down to its relative obscurity (older/more locked-down music players don't support this format), and to them being skeptical of its "you can have any sampling rate you want, as long as it's 48 KHz" stuff. Hydrogenaudio have an article on it with a bitrate table. (https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Opus) They say it starts to approach transparency at 96 kbps, gets fairly close at 112, and is very close at 128. If you ask me, do ABX testing before you commit to a bitrate.

Start with FLAC and encode down to Opus, though; don't start from MP3. Repeated lossy encoding induces generation loss. Thankfully, freac (https://www.freac.org/downloads-mainmenu-33) supports Opus encodes, so it's quite easy to encode to it. (I was this close to suggesting FFmpeg, as if anyone non-technical would seriously consider working with a command-line program.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 20, 2021, 06:38:55 pm
Eh, FFmpeg has graphical frontends floating around. Could swear I used it for something at some point, but I definitely don't recall what. Huh.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 20, 2021, 06:48:29 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 20, 2021, 06:49:25 pm
Eh, FFmpeg has graphical frontends floating around. Could swear I used it for something at some point, but I definitely don't recall what. Huh.

Isn't every open-source audio and video thing a front-end for FFmpeg? /s

No, but really, Handbrake's a front-end for FFmpeg, freac's a front-end, VLC's a front-end (which is why it supports so many obscure formats), everything's a front-end for FFmpeg at some point. I don't really want to tell drag to use a command-line thing when perfectly good graphical front-ends exist. It's easier that way, and I don't see freac obscuring much of the technical detail.

Freac is the best, googling for an alternative is pure cancer, they're all trial based.

I could not agree with you more.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: None on May 20, 2021, 07:03:49 pm
If VLC doesn't play it, is it even real media?

Speaking of media formats, one of my pipe dreams is to make an imgur-analogue for short snippets of audio (I think the limit is second seconds to avoid copyright?); I'd call it oggl.og or something. Ogg log. 'Cuz audio memes are incredible and they're much less shareable than image memes.

I've definitely renamed ogg files to ogv just so I could upload them through steam to share to friends. C'mon, Steam, you gotta do better and just let me throw the whole ogg at buddies.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 20, 2021, 07:06:30 pm
I'd call it oggl.og or something.
Sadly not a real TLD.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: None on May 20, 2021, 07:08:50 pm
I'll just have to buy that domain ahead of Osgiliath and let the LOTR nerds clamor for it when I'm deceased, then.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 20, 2021, 07:18:45 pm
If VLC doesn't play it, is it even real media?

Hell yeah, MQA isn't real media! It's not fully decodable by VLC, so it won't qualify. The FFmpeg people are trying to reverse-engineer it, so it might become real media some day.

It only takes one project to reverse-engineer it, and the whole game just falls apart after that. Only a matter of time. Such is the folly of DRM and proprietary formats.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on May 28, 2021, 01:02:46 am
In tech, the thing you normally put on the front of the box it comes in is either the product itself or the name of the product.

If something has anything other than that, assume it's terrible. It's so terrible they couldn't bear to look at it or its name. If the front of the box shows someone attractive using it, it's even more crap. In that case, it's so bad, they had to distract you with a pretty lady to convince you to buy it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on May 28, 2021, 02:35:08 pm
Our tongues resemble sea slugs.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ArchimedesWojak on May 28, 2021, 08:51:59 pm
To the window, To the wall

To the sweat drop down my balls

All you bitches crawl

To all skee skee motherfucker

All skee skee goddamn
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 01, 2021, 04:14:58 am
Here's a thing I plotted. This is the transfer curve of the primitive compander I spoke of months ago, that only now I've gotten around to actually plotting.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TRq68yMR/primitive-compander-nt-invert.png)

I'm surprised it doesn't look like total nonsense, considering I had a headache trying to parse the documentation for this effect back then. I didn't even know what the hell I was doing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 01, 2021, 09:37:05 am
Quote from: my brain
Cthulu smokes 1d6 packs per round.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 02, 2021, 12:35:12 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on June 02, 2021, 01:47:19 pm
I'm not gon' lie, I've started to wonder if that's actually turning into some kind of mating ritual or other sort of social interaction. It'd explain a lot if some bird species are turning roadkill olympics into some sort of bird sport.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 02, 2021, 02:36:32 pm
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on June 02, 2021, 04:09:38 pm
Sounds like a lot of humans I know...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 03, 2021, 10:02:42 am
I had a bit of an odd experience when I was walking when I put my head at around a 45° angle downwards, I swear the world around me just became a Mode 7 thing for a brief moment. Like, you have the pivot centered on my head, and the world rotates 'round my head as I turn.

I now posit that because I suck at processing motion, the existing motion processors operate in 2 modes when I'm moving. There's top-down mode, where I just process what I'm seeing as a scrolling top-down thing (which happens when I look down), and then there 'Mode 7' mode (enabled when looking straight), where I decide what parts of my vision are "floor", and I just rotate that image of the floor around a vertical axis centered on my center of rotation as I turn/look around. The parts that are "wall" are basically just painted onto the floor.

It's what I'd call, "an approximation". I can't process true 3D, so I have to settle on pseudo-3D with 2D movement space. Almost all spaces are designed with this in mind, so it works out. You don't walk on the walls, you walk up the stairs, and that's functionally identical to just walking normally, but now the map of where you can move changes. The Z-level changes, but you haven't pitched up/down (at least not to the point that you're horizontal to the ground!) or rolled left/right.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TheSteppeWolf on June 03, 2021, 11:41:19 pm
Thankfully I didn't hit any birds with my car yet, but:

1. While I was driving, some kids, were playing football (soccer) near the road on a lawn and they accidentally kicked the heavy leather ball they used into the windshield and it cracked into a spiderweb, got it fixed with insurance.

2. Driving to another town, huge butterfly hit windshield, had to pull over and peel it off.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 05, 2021, 02:23:45 am
Vanilla Markdown does not support centering of any kind. Images will not be centered, and cannot be centered without using HTML + CSS tags. My way of getting around this is by making images so wide that the only choice the Markdown parser has is to center it by downscaling, no HTML needed.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on June 07, 2021, 12:24:54 pm
Jeff Bezos is launching himself into space
I wonder how much humanity would benefit if he stays there
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on June 07, 2021, 01:32:40 pm
The movie Shrek, having been released twenty years ago, is legally old enough to feature in pornography.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 07, 2021, 03:41:38 pm
I'm trying to imagine how you'd do pornographic things with a DVD case or DVD, but knowing Rule 34 artists, the question is not a matter of if, but a matter of when. The home video pressings of Shrek aren't all the same age, though. The earliest 2001 DVD and VHS releases are old enough to be in porn, but even the slightly later 2003 ones are not yet legally eligible for the porn treatment. The August 19, 2003 DVD pressing's the closest, though.

Welp, if I see porn of people fucking Shrek VHSes and DVDs, I'll assume that it was my fault for bringing it up.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on June 07, 2021, 04:48:28 pm
Or someone could databend the movie in a suggestive way. ;)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 07, 2021, 05:43:01 pm
I know databending looks like magic, but I swear it's based on the fact that a computer only sees numbers, and all interpretations of such are merely that, interpretations. If you can get the computer to interpret data differently from its intent, there's all manner of fun you could have with that. I prefer working with raw uncompressed data, but there might be a way to corrupt a JPEG but still have it be a valid file, at least in theory.

Now, finding ways to do it such that the end result ends up being suggestive... I don't know.

• Pipe raw video data into uwuify? That yields seizure-inducing results. I should probably upload the results of that one to YT for shits and giggles.

• Paulstretch? Attempts to do it with video data aren't encouraging. Constant vertical desync; 'rolling'. The related version of Paulstretching each frame is also dubious at best. No continuity between frames; causes seizures.

• Paulstretch a frame, then use EbSynth to paint over the Paulstreched image... I haven't tried that one. I'll try it at least once, but no promises.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 08, 2021, 08:55:20 am
The Idea Pool is a bit of a fixture of my mind. It takes in thoughts and breaks them up into their constituent thought fragments. It then whirlpools those fragments around so that they'll eventually stick to each other and produce a viable idea, that I'll then copy onto my to-do list. That, too, gets put into the Idea Pool sometimes.

It's constantly mutating things, and there's no concept of ownership. It's a complete free-for-all in there. It makes it utterly impossible to figure out if I've done an idea before, because each idea likely has tens of unmarked fragments that were used elsewhere, often in related-but-not-identical places. I experience deja vu often for this reason.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on June 09, 2021, 05:12:38 pm
I got to re-thinking domed cities in sci-fi.  They were always just kinda there, starting (for me) in Sim Earth and Sim City 2000 arcologies, but I never really considered what the dome was for.

A podcast laughing about the inefficiency of individual AC units vs central air made me reconsider.  Clearly, the implication is that you're making an efficient controlled environment within the dome.  The outside environment is no longer considered... ideal, hopefully due to rising standards (or in a lot of stories, because of hostile climate).

That's pretty much it.  I always thought the domed cities were a symbol of utopian technology, and often they were, but it's inherently about separating the city from the world.  Particularly in Sim Earth.  Maybe it confused young-me because late-stage civilizations in that game have overcome scarcity and pollution - they *choose* to leave the planet because they no longer need it.  The planet is likely recovering, probably isn't even in a bad state.

But that's my perspective as someone who dialed down fossil fuels and nuclear power at the slightest hint of trouble.  I didn't have to see many nuclear resource-wars to learn that lesson.  I guess I was a benevolent, or at least sensitive, deity.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 10, 2021, 12:21:03 pm
I started using Bay12 from Tor to evade the FSB so if I write something about how we need to storm the Kremlin and kill Putin I won't get hauled off.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 10, 2021, 01:09:33 pm
I got to re-thinking domed cities in sci-fi.  They were always just kinda there, starting (for me) in Sim Earth and Sim City 2000 arcologies, but I never really considered what the dome was for.

A podcast laughing about the inefficiency of individual AC units vs central air made me reconsider.  Clearly, the implication is that you're making an efficient controlled environment within the dome.  The outside environment is no longer considered... ideal, hopefully due to rising standards (or in a lot of stories, because of hostile climate).

That's pretty much it.  I always thought the domed cities were a symbol of utopian technology, and often they were, but it's inherently about separating the city from the world.  Particularly in Sim Earth.  Maybe it confused young-me because late-stage civilizations in that game have overcome scarcity and pollution - they *choose* to leave the planet because they no longer need it.  The planet is likely recovering, probably isn't even in a bad state.

But that's my perspective as someone who dialed down fossil fuels and nuclear power at the slightest hint of trouble.  I didn't have to see many nuclear resource-wars to learn that lesson.  I guess I was a benevolent, or at least sensitive, deity.

Somewhere on Youtube was a video essay on the Civ games depiction of climate change.  Some pay a lip-service where it does little harm, while others it's not there or a DLC.  IIRC either Civ 2 or Call To Power had particularly brutal global warming mechanics, where it could easily spiral out of control due to previous warming events firing, and fighting over what's left could totally happen.  And reversing environmental damaging was deliberately costly to encourage players to not bother doing it and just pollute.

I think this was it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n78WYo-SQQ)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 10, 2021, 01:37:52 pm
I hope so too, I'm supposed to meet my parents+brother&family this weekend to celebrate my mum's birthday.

Still not feeling anything in particular, not even soreness in the arm muscle... Yet.

I made myself think

Or nor
One none
Either neither
Ever never

So
Even Neven

Yes? No? Yes?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on June 10, 2021, 05:26:48 pm
Or nor
One none
Either neither
Ever never

So
Even Neven

Yes? No? Yes?

How dare you try to apply logical consistency to the English language.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 10, 2021, 05:37:31 pm
To ruin the joke, "even" here is used to signify that the thing after it is the worst possible thing that could've happened. A sentence like that would be "They even had AK-47s!". The AK-47s are there as the worst possible outcome.

However, English is weird, and negating "even" carries with it the implication that the smallest good thing did not happen. A valid sentence would be "I didn't even get any of my money back!", but "They didn't even screw me over in court!" is not usually valid if we're talking about someone who got scammed. That implies that the smallest good thing was being screwed over in court.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 11, 2021, 02:41:46 am
I would love it if messaging apps had a special control character (or character sequence, whatever) that would split a given text message into multiple messages, but all sent at the same time. I want to be able to switch trains of thought rapidly, but without the fear that I'm going to get overwritten by someone in the process of writing the second thought. I think I look a bit odd talking about A, then switching to B next sentence. I don't want paragraphs, I want split messages. Split messages are the equivalent of paragraphs in real-time messaging.

God, I'm one of the youngest people on here, yet I have the internet sensibilities of a 40-year-old. I operate best in non-realtime environments. In fact, the further from real-time, the better!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on June 11, 2021, 10:55:24 am
I got to re-thinking domed cities in sci-fi.  They were always just kinda there, starting (for me) in Sim Earth and Sim City 2000 arcologies, but I never really considered what the dome was for.

A podcast laughing about the inefficiency of individual AC units vs central air made me reconsider.  Clearly, the implication is that you're making an efficient controlled environment within the dome.  The outside environment is no longer considered... ideal, hopefully due to rising standards (or in a lot of stories, because of hostile climate).

That's pretty much it.  I always thought the domed cities were a symbol of utopian technology, and often they were, but it's inherently about separating the city from the world.  Particularly in Sim Earth.  Maybe it confused young-me because late-stage civilizations in that game have overcome scarcity and pollution - they *choose* to leave the planet because they no longer need it.  The planet is likely recovering, probably isn't even in a bad state.

But that's my perspective as someone who dialed down fossil fuels and nuclear power at the slightest hint of trouble.  I didn't have to see many nuclear resource-wars to learn that lesson.  I guess I was a benevolent, or at least sensitive, deity.

Somewhere on Youtube was a video essay on the Civ games depiction of climate change.  Some pay a lip-service where it does little harm, while others it's not there or a DLC.  IIRC either Civ 2 or Call To Power had particularly brutal global warming mechanics, where it could easily spiral out of control due to previous warming events firing, and fighting over what's left could totally happen.  And reversing environmental damaging was deliberately costly to encourage players to not bother doing it and just pollute.

I think this was it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n78WYo-SQQ)
It was actually a strategy to deliberately cause global warming so you can make your cities rely on oceans (which you planned by only building coastal ones) so all enemy inland cities starve.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 13, 2021, 05:40:06 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 14, 2021, 07:37:07 am
The Sanity Checker in my head is basically just a black box I trained to tell me if my thoughts are sane. It gets full access to my thoughts (which sounds dangerous as hell), and it tells me if what I'm thinking is not-sane. It either throws errors or exceptions in response to not-sane thoughts, killing processes or giving offending processes a scolding respectively. It only works well above 80% brain speed, but usually sanity improves as brain speed decreases. Usually. I fear edge cases.

Somehow, I think this setup sounds like a recipe for disaster. Just a co-processor running underneath the main CPU, spying on all its activity, telling it what it can and can't do. I make sure to be as aware of its shenanigans as possible (and vice versa), but still.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on June 14, 2021, 02:26:42 pm
I'm pretty sure the human brain is comprised solely of co-processors, no "main CPU" at all.  Generally it's just a question of which  co-processors have priority access to I/O.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 14, 2021, 03:54:15 pm
Yeah, the concept of a "main CPU" is just a high-level abstraction. One that I've completely forgotten about, it seems. I've had musings about this, where I basically thought, "There's no actual main CPU, it's just a matter of which set of co-processors asserted dominance over the mind first". It's, uh, "heterogeneous asymmetric multiprocessing".

Thus, I think it's possible to multitask, as long as those tasks don't take up the same IO resources. Now, to find even two non-conflicting tasks, that's hard.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: None on June 14, 2021, 07:05:34 pm
80% is a pretty good ratio of processing speed, especially if irrational thoughts and outcomes exist only as edge cases to normal practical thought
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: ChairmanPoo on June 14, 2021, 07:53:06 pm
I hope so too, I'm supposed to meet my parents+brother&family this weekend to celebrate my mum's birthday.

Still not feeling anything in particular, not even soreness in the arm muscle... Yet.

I made myself think

Or nor
One none
Either neither
Ever never

So
Even Neven

Yes? No? Yes?
Would you eat a horse?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 14, 2021, 08:06:36 pm
80% is a pretty good ratio of processing speed, especially if irrational thoughts and outcomes exist only as edge cases to normal practical thought

Not when that 80% is of rated processing speed. My brain wants to target 200% of rated (i.e. safe) speed, but that's not safe or sane, so I have to moderate it in the range of 80% - 100% with meds. The meds drop it to around 30% at worst.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 15, 2021, 05:57:09 am
I hope so too, I'm supposed to meet my parents+brother&family this weekend to celebrate my mum's birthday.

Still not feeling anything in particular, not even soreness in the arm muscle... Yet.

I made myself think

Or nor
One none
Either neither
Ever never

So
Even Neven

Yes? No? Yes?
Would you eat a horse?

I'd neven be able to eat a single leg before I'd burst probably
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on June 16, 2021, 01:06:07 am
I hope so too, I'm supposed to meet my parents+brother&family this weekend to celebrate my mum's birthday.

Still not feeling anything in particular, not even soreness in the arm muscle... Yet.

I made myself think

Or nor
One none
Either neither
Ever never

So
Even Neven

Yes? No? Yes?
Would you eat a horse?

I'd neven be able to eat a single leg before I'd burst probably
Nobody said you had to eat the whole thing in one sitting.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 16, 2021, 01:35:52 am
There are two communication modes I use by speed. Realtime and non-realtime.

In realtime mode, I optimize my words just enough that I'm comprehensible, but generally I don't fit much info per post because of time constraints. The goal is to say stuff within the time constraint that's detected. This can be anywhere from 5 seconds to 5 minutes. It's generally quite stressful. All messaging apps need this to be enabled, usually in large and active groups. Not always, though.

In non-realtime mode, I have the freedom to optimize and tweak my words so that I get across as much info as possible in the smallest space reasonably possible. I have a long list of optimization passes that I'm using right now. The goal is to communicate. No time limit, just say your piece. The detected time constraint for this mode is somewhere around 15 minutes to infinity. Very relaxing. Especially now, since I'm just saying shit. Smaller forums tend to be like this. Very slow-moving groups in messaging apps also tend to enable this mode.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: voliol on June 16, 2021, 05:44:38 pm
Are mafia families practicing feudalism? I’ve been thinking about this for a while. They both have these strict hierachies, factions constantly trying to overtheow each other, and taxation of civilians on their territory for ”protection”. Have I come up with an theory that already exists or am I misunderstanding how feudalism/the mafia/both work(s), in a cliché way?

Have I mentioned this before? I’m getting crazy deja vu.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: taat on June 17, 2021, 12:48:56 pm
Almost every piece of land in the world is claimed by some government that to various degrees protects the territory and the people in it and extracts taxes from the people who reside or do work in that territory, and most governments have hierarchies, and many mafias don't have competing mafias that they struggle with.
So I'd say its not enough to call them feudalistic, otherwise everything would be feudalism
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on June 17, 2021, 11:07:59 pm
I think it fits.  Feudalism is more than just the act of claiming land (which voliol barely mentioned).  It's about, AFAIK, an ordered hierarchy of people in a tiered compact of protection.  Every noble, even unlanded, swears fealty to a liege.  Who probably swears fealty to someone else, up to - and this is important - a single top leader.  That top leader notionally has absolute power, but more importantly represents the entire organization in both a metaphorical and diplomatic sense.  And in fact, that leader has a council of trusted advisors, including but not limited to the most powerful vassals (who might expect to be listened to, with the implication of upheaval if the leader acts too unilaterally).

I'd say most of this is a result of the mafia aping the traditions and form of feudalism.  The most notable difference would be that feudalism as we think of it was intertwined with Christianity.  One's liege wasn't *just* a strongman - there was divine right.  In practical terms, that meant that if you killed him he tragically died, everyone would support his successor as chosen by traditional laws.  Maybe that applies to the Italian mafia too, I'm not really sure.  I mean, I assume they were pretty Catholic.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 18, 2021, 04:41:21 am
The notion of an absolute monarch is mostly post-feudal (or at least skewing towards the very end of feudalism -- most absolute monarchies achieved that level of power by playing the nobility and the bourgeois upper classes against each other). For the biggest part of the era feudalism kings were very much bound by laws they had very little ability to change or reform themselves.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TheSteppeWolf on June 18, 2021, 05:17:56 am
Absolute monarchy is what happens when a feudal monarch gets rid of various minor nobles controlling the court, or, the nobles were never strong in the first place (some Asian and African traditional monarchies).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on June 23, 2021, 08:41:18 am
Sophocles is one of the best people to misquote, because they were actually alive in 420 BCE. Stick that in your quote and blaze it, yo'.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on June 30, 2021, 04:57:48 am
I think the reason why I can only play myself (or one with my exact personality) in any given interactive media is because I lack virtualization ability.

I can empathize with another person-- by literally running what I predict they experience through my mind. It's "virtualization" by way of chroot/Docker, basically. The person I'm trying to empathize with needs to be similar enough to me, otherwise I stop being able to construct a suitable environment to simulate them. I try to empathize with as large a range of people as possible, but even then I have limits. No dedicated virtualization capabilities needed. I trust that whatever's in there isn't malicious, which is probably a safe assumption to make, considering I made it.

But I cannot, say, maintain the idea that I play a different person from who I am. Not possible. I can't simulate entire separate personalities because I'd run out of resources. Memory, CPU, I/O, it's probably all 3. It's dead slow. I simply can't do it on any practical scale. You ask me to play as this evil motherfucker who supports Cesar's Legion in Fallout: New Vegas, I'd find myself supporting literally anyone else. I am who I am: me, and all of my characters are self-inserts to the fullest possible extent.

On one hand, it makes me genuine (since I literally can't express a personality that isn't this one, only suppress parts of it), but it also means that I can't do creative writing. I'd keep making multiple self-inserts by accident, so it'd just be a "Me, myself and I" situation, just many mes interacting with each other. I'll stick to writing technical manuals of my discoveries instead.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on July 11, 2021, 02:02:01 pm
The book "A Room of One's Own" in acronym form is "AROO".

Appropriate for V. Woolf
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on July 11, 2021, 09:26:36 pm
Huh, I'd never seen this Bay12 stats page before. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=stats)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 11, 2021, 09:29:35 pm
I found an app called Low Res NX which apparent
Y lets you make games via BASIc and play other peoples’ games
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on July 13, 2021, 03:21:36 am
Huh, I'd never seen this Bay12 stats page before. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=stats)

GWG is still the #3 poster and #2 thread starter despite being banned over 7 years ago. That's kind of impressive.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 13, 2021, 03:39:40 am
The phrase “waves of iron” ran through my head for all of Monday and I’m still thinking about it now. Not sure what prompted me to think of it
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on July 13, 2021, 04:40:29 am
For anyone still using HuffYUV for storage of lossless video, it's outdated. FFV1 is far more efficient, and it's also open-source. It also supports all the pixel formats that ffvhuff supports, so no worries about whether it'll support your particular pixel format. It almost certainly will. Being a format from 2003, it's well-supported by basically everything.

As a not-quite scientific measure, I encoded Big Buck Bunny at 480p (available from the fine folks at Xiph (https://media.xiph.org/)) in FFV1, ffvhuff (essentially HuffYUV with more pixel formats supported) and raw YUV 4:2:0 (the control).

FFV1 wins out at 2.17 GB. ffvhuff encodes 3.41 GB, and raw (being uncompressed data) 6.75 GB.

FFV1 is 63% the size of ffvhuff. Use FFV1. It's better than HuffYUV at least in terms of compression efficiency. It's definitely slower to encode, however.

This has been a public service announcement about lossless video codecs.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 16, 2021, 08:20:34 pm
So YouTube recommended a Song about the Internet (https://youtu.be/BDhzbz_FLAQ) to me recently. I found the song interesting, what do you all think?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 16, 2021, 09:55:40 pm
Swimming trunks continue to be best underwear. Along with its myriad other advantages, it turns out it's helpful to be wearing something like that when you're having to bath elderly, too. Even if they get splashed off and on, they're built for it!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on July 20, 2021, 10:37:56 am
What if there was a superhero villain called MISTER CINEASTER
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 20, 2021, 10:58:59 am
What if there was a superhero villain called MISTER CINEASTER
A cinnamon Easter Bunny who vows to kill anyone who eats bunny shaped foods of any kind, since he mistakenly thinks they are also sentient too, since the mage that made him forgot to tell him he’s unique. He has residual magic that allows him to create cinnamon golems, who also have sentience, further reinforcing his perception that near everything can think
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on July 20, 2021, 11:02:03 am
waves of iron

It's been a week, figured it was time to start this up again for you.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 20, 2021, 11:11:39 am
waves of iron

It's been a week, figured it was time to start this up again for you.
oh, I looked it up shortly after posting that and forgot to post the answer, then forgot the answer so looked it up again, it’s 1538 degrees Celsius or 2800 degrees Fahrenheit. For future references for when I mention temperatures, what do you all prefer? Also apparently Krypton has a melting point of -157.36°C. How do you type the degree symbol? I had to copy and paste to get it
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 20, 2021, 12:52:41 pm
There's a fancy alt code thing that can produce it, I think, but the practical answer to "how do you type the degree symbol" is "you don't". Most people will understand 150C (or whatever) stands for 150 degrees celcius when you're talking about stuff involving temperature.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on July 20, 2021, 03:35:05 pm
Just use Kelvin (or Rankine if you're really in the mood), then you don't need to worry about silly degrees.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 20, 2021, 09:24:50 pm
It happens more and more often that I really want to rant and while I keep rejecting non succint or at least entertaining takes, weighing out how much is wise to share, someone will show up in the relevant threads with something that seems more pressing than my slow and ongoing defeat, to what I can only call a generalized hate disorder. Anger disorder is probably the word but since I never get stuck in angry mode when I'm in charge of my schedule that feels like an infantilisation of my issues. But I never regretted not writing something; I don't like my rants either.

I'll just keep observing behaviours that I'll reject for myself (to the extent of my ability*) leaving me with whole little nothing of tools, as a tiny vantablackhole of rage.

*is tautological and thus unecessary to mention but how else to acknoweldge that it would appear that I'm shitting higher than my ass hangs since try to keep the curtain before the deep abyss that stretches out beneath my ass
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on July 21, 2021, 03:28:38 am
There's a fancy alt code thing that can produce it, I think, but the practical answer to "how do you type the degree symbol" is "you don't". Most people will understand 150C (or whatever) stands for 150 degrees celcius when you're talking about stuff involving temperature.

And if you're working on a Windows laptop without a numpad, like me, you can used Windows key + Period. Beyond the emojis, there's a tab in there for other signs such as °, ℃, ľ, ż, ‱ and even ™


But yeah, just using C or F is understandable by most and is the common notation
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on July 21, 2021, 04:06:11 am

I think you are asking yourself how.  Knowing it is neither polite nor advised to comment on this process I'll cover my arse by quoting ma' mate Freddy:

"There is, strictly speaking, neither unselfish conduct, nor a wholly disinterested point of view. Both are simply sublimations in which the basic element seems almost evaporated and betrays its presence only to the keenest observation. All that we need and that could possibly be given us in the present state of development of the sciences, is a chemistry of the moral, religious, aesthetic conceptions and feeling, as well as of those emotions which we experience in the affairs, great and small, of society and civilization, and which we are sensible of even in solitude. But what if this chemistry established the fact that, even in its domain, the most magnificent results were attained with the basest and most despised ingredients? Would many feel disposed to continue such investigations? Mankind loves to put by the questions of its origin and beginning: must one not be almost inhuman in order to follow the opposite course?"

His protégé Ziggy had something more base to say about the whole 'affair'.  Going beyond despair du Franconisation crass leads to this image, not that deep at all... The Chasm of the Colorado. (https://www.theartstory.org/images20/works/the_sublime_in_art_4.jpg)  At the risk of being misunderstood - not to be taken too literally or literarily - take up painting.  All this for laughs...  :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 21, 2021, 06:46:25 am
I am puzzled, painting is one of the things where I allways just accepted that I was bad at it. I hope I will I come back with something more to answer but I don't have it in me right now. But thanks that was stimulating.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 21, 2021, 08:18:44 pm
I'd like to say something uplifting but I'm hung up on the fact that among that "chemistry of the moral, religious, aesthetic conceptions and feeling" the aesthetic conceptions are the most objective measure. I will admit that I think it would be nice if we could collectively get right what's most pressing, but I'm not the thought police either and nobody needs to be of pure intent, truely smart egoism would be fine by me.


The angle I'm currently really obsessed with is how much rambling people do out of a need of recognition, at least in my perception I'm haunted by a lack of listening and narcissistic excesses IRL. I often have to wonder if I have a hand for picking out these people because I am the worst of them. But how else to call when someone interrupts you in an answer to a question they asked, to show off how quick they get it while proving the contrary - I mean common I'm really not verbose IRL. Also IDK but are there unusual amounts of noise (like trucks, and bikes, and falling stuff and yelling) as soon as I open my mouth, or am I just a control freak with very sore senses.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on July 22, 2021, 07:43:50 am
Yeah, I know what you're saying ( :P) but how can you say that the Freddy + Ziggy is not the best eva?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoDh_gHDvkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoDh_gHDvkk)
(Even more touching as it documents their enduring friendship.)

The retake by Ziggy and the wrangling L.Annie is also a brilliant moment besides some noted jankiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLS-P9m0BM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLS-P9m0BM)

Okay in terms of the coversation I'm having a laugh, but wanking aside there is something of value here.  (Glad to have provided some stimulation, that was indeed the intention...)

Coming down from Lady Gaga land for a moment only to get up on my high horse people don't listen; they don't know how to listen.  Nor do they know how to talk.  Instead they bond through platitudes - squeaking like wheels only know how.  So don't ramble, sloganise.  Compress, drop, move on.  Let being heard become an unexpected joy.  And listen to the 'best eva' (whatever your objective definition) rather than the cacaphony of traffic or the barking of dogs (one of my local bugbears).

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on July 22, 2021, 08:58:55 am
Communication is like compilation. You take raw brain thoughts, and you select a toolchain that targets the specific context, subcontext (optional), and method of communication that is appropriate. Then, you go ahead and compile them to that 'target triplet', that 'platform'. Under this hypothetical system, I've selected the bay12-random_thoughts-text toolchain.

I have many toolchains that I switch between. There's bay12-text, discord_[REDACTED]-voice, real_life-unfamiliar-voice...

The purpose of doing this is because each context, subcontext, and method of communication describes a different set of features that are enabled.

It would be ridiculous to say "poggers" within its native context on Bay12, but it's entirely fine in [REDACTED]. In real life, you talk to people you're familiar with differently from those you're not. In-jokes are a feature that are present with those you know. You cannot express tone well in text, so you need to indicate tone with punctuation, formatting (if available), and tone indicators (if/as acceptable).

Each thing you change can drastically affect the generated output because each feature that's present or absent needs you to change what's being said in order to communicate effectively. The objective, in my eyes, is to compile sentences with as little loss to the raw brain thoughts as possible so that you're communicating effectively, while still complying with the feature-set as to fit in. This is a balancing act.

I don't think any person can correctly claim to be good, let alone perfect at this. I operate on guesses. You operate on guesses. We all operate on guesses. Sometimes we make mistakes because they were wrong, and that is entirely fine. Embrace the errors we make. After all, to err is human.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 22, 2021, 11:53:13 am
This is a very interesting way of thinking about this
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 22, 2021, 06:10:48 pm
If I'm at the spot I'm at this week (not going to use the w. slur again I talk too often about that waste of time) I could pick music all day, but the others pick good stuff too, way better than radio. Meteorologists announce earrape for saturday morning.

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So don't ramble, sloganise.

I'm becoming snarky and quick, most likely still uncomprehensible, but less often flustered and grasping for words. Maybe a little too much and to my detriment. Sometimes I snap and afterwards as I try to recollect myself I'm amazed at all the stuff I managed to jam in what seems mere seconds, a few lines of dialogue tops, not like look at me how quick I am but more like, wait there was more puzzle pieces?! But I allready got a filled and coherent timeline? See this answer matches this thing, and that goes over there but somehow I also managed to call them a so and so?


I just saw a spider crawl behind a glass jar and grabbed a flashlight and the ensuing scene was hilarious, real tom cruise mission impossible shit, from the jar to the phone, mad dash to the edge of the desk, allmost free fall down, all that in 1-2 seconds, then strategic pause below the chair, then she relaxed and went left, that's all I wanted, we can be roomies if you let me the right side of the table. I think it's generally a good idea to make animals aware that you are aware of them, like if wildlife lingers on the road I do not hesitate to honk they better scare off right? And flashlights are my choice for insect-sized things, like yo I see you no funny business, let's keep some healthy distance. I heard jumping spider like laser pointers the other day :D. This one was just an average leathery boy though, you know not a tiny one with legs like hair, and not one with a fat ass.

Anyway is that communication or is that another stupid human cry for attention? I know I'm not the biggest fan of jumpscares and accelerated hearthrates, then again better set some boundaries right? We shouldn't handle animals at all, really, yeah sure I'll pet a cat, or a dog, or maybe even a bird or a reptile, but the very next thing I do is wash my hands.

What meth says goes towards that idea that we are many people in one person, somebody who is allways the same in different social situation could, and probably would, be seen as somewhat limited or weird. Then again there are ways of allways acting the same that could pass as wildly unpredictable for years on end (to some). That reminds me, once there was a girl who hit on me some time prior to what follows and nothing came of it because I was kinda young, and at a party I found myself sitting between her and a friend of hers somehow, and they were trying to be mean and made some off hand comments how I have no personality. I said nothing but it kinda stuck with me, because I thought how proposterous, such a thing is impossible, even a boring personality would be a personality. I guess that's why I like to overuse alt right'ish rhetoric like saying NPC pejoratively. It's such an empty insult, actually. That being said to rib a little on the computer metaphor:

Oh that's why it is sometimes more economical to switch hardware instead of insisting to run some code on whomever, people have completly different instruction sets and memory adresses.


edit: on the npc, and normie, and animal insults and such... the more I test insects and arthopods and such the stronger I am convinced they have conscience. I lost track of the spider but then she reappeared on the ceiling, I followed her around a bit to watch, some lucky angle enabled me to cast a beautiful shadow of her in her line of sight, she went to salute the thing like spiders do raising the two frontmost legs and quickly went oh it's nothing and put the legs back down. I played a bit with the shadow angle to make it even more evident like, yup that's you. She sat there for a minute than marched on. You know even flies, those seemingly mindless pests who just bruteforce their way through life... That's because they are too well built and overconfident in their ability to evade IMO. The other day I managed to get a pen real close to a fly, and click it a few times. The fly did like a tiny startle, step backwards, step forwards, and tried to suck on the ink ball. And because that is an ongoing trend with flies that I notice things about them, I've even started to prefer to chase them out over killing, if there is a chance of that going easily (it often doesn't, they are keenly aware of differences in air temperature and humidity and might do a straight one-eighty on a doorstep, I guess that's why we don't constantly find them in our fridges). But mosquitoes no. Mosqito share room with me? Mosquito die. It's the honorable thing to do, I don't want to share a needle with strangers.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on July 23, 2021, 12:39:28 am
tl;dr

(In meth's dubious terms, the binary was too big for its function: precludes looking into the backend to see if the code was well structured and commented.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on July 23, 2021, 04:29:33 am
Does the advent of quantum computers mean the advent of quantum programming?
Code: [Select]
bool KINDA


if (X ≈≈ Y)
   return MAYBE
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on July 23, 2021, 11:40:04 am
Does the advent of quantum computers mean the advent of quantum programming?

Yes and no.  You just have to collapse the wave function in the correct way to find out which it is.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 25, 2021, 09:29:20 pm
Worst part of white hair coming in, is when you see it out of the corner of your eye and you can't tell if it's the white hair or something in your hair. You'll be sitting there batting at your hair like a fool trying to get your hair out of your hair :-\
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on July 25, 2021, 11:28:44 pm
I'm excited for white hair, especially salt and pepper eyebrows. I think it will add something to my otherwise plain appearance.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on July 26, 2021, 02:23:01 am
I used to have a single, solitary, white beard hair. I called him Gandalf.


...Gandalf now has several cousins
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on July 26, 2021, 02:43:32 am
I encountered this one person in a Pokemon Go group who had fully elderly-white hair, cut in a way that confused me.  I honestly couldn't tell whether they were appearing younger or older, maybe because I was being careful not to stare and admire them.

They must have been young, I guess, because I would have heard the age in their voice.  But they reminded me so much of amazing older people I've known who carried a certain energy into their retirement.  Particularly in social circles.  What a thing to emulate!

And I'm sure I could have clocked their age by looking closely at their face, but again, I was much too impressed to do such a thing.  Heh, if I recall correctly, I instead flirted aimlessly with a cute guy and then let him live in my mind rent free for much of the pandemic.
*first two months anyway.  yeah the timing was bad
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on July 29, 2021, 09:20:15 am
H.264 is the MP3 of video codecs. Ubiquitous and compatible with just about everything, yet not necessarily the most efficient codec.

I bet you, in 2035, long after the patents expire, people will still be using H.264 in one way or another because it's just the "standard". People will still be maintaining x264 to gain even more compression efficiency out of a by-then ancient codec.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 29, 2021, 09:48:50 am
Imagine how off the scale futuristically high tech this forum is:

Don't need to update it, thus you don't need an appstore account to update either, yet you can still access it on weekly basis without update. You can access it from any IP hassle free. And you can read as much as you want, with being cockblocked by "UsE oUr ApP".

So this forum is like utopically futuristic, reminds me of that communication network they invented in the cold war: int... internet? Totally negligable pipedream that was, as if you could just transmit text without ripping out and replacing the whole software environment, lol.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on July 29, 2021, 11:42:13 am
E.T. home phone. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xZif3WmG7I)

(Never mind https.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on July 29, 2021, 12:40:31 pm
Imagine how off the scale futuristically high tech this forum is:

Don't need to update it, thus you don't need an appstore account to update either, yet you can still access it on weekly basis without update. You can access it from any IP hassle free. And you can read as much as you want, with being cockblocked by "UsE oUr ApP".

So this forum is like utopically futuristic, reminds me of that communication network they invented in the cold war: int... internet? Totally negligable pipedream that was, as if you could just transmit text without ripping out and replacing the whole software environment, lol.
Yeah seriously - I was just trying to access the Instagram for Celeste, for no reason in particular (https://maddythorson.medium.com/is-madeline-canonically-trans-4277ece02e40), and it keeps blocking me when I scroll down a certain amount.  So I try to log in with Facebook (great, now I've technically logged into Facebook today, it even flashed my notifications) and it tells me to choose a username, but Rolan7 is taken.  And so is Rolan777??  And I try to log in as Rolan7 but the usual passwords-for-shitty-sites aren't working, and I give up.

If only there was a better way!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 03, 2021, 01:37:00 pm
Sometimes I think about rhe christian sonic fan who did not take kindly on sonic memes. Are they still around?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on August 06, 2021, 03:54:32 am
Language is weird.

Norwegian is a bit of a contextual language. I caught myself ruminating a couple days ago about how the word "blad" means anything from a plant leaf, to a magazine (literature), to the blade of a razor depending on what makes most sense in context.


And then we get fantastic structuring/usage like this:

Q: "Har du skjerf?" [Do you have a scarf?]

A: "Nei, men jeg har hatt" [No, but I used to/No, but I have a hat]
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 07, 2021, 10:21:25 pm
the word "blad" means anything from a plant leaf, to a magazine (literature), to the blade of a razor depending on what makes most sense in context.

These three all mean the same thing though

Two are just making imagery
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 08, 2021, 12:16:28 am
Paper is made of various plant parts, not just leaves, also, a razor is very different than leaves, unless you’re specifically talking about sharp leaves, which do exist
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 08, 2021, 07:52:09 am
And noses and ears and mouths are not actual noses and ears and mouths but just imagery made because they extend on the coastline like noses and ears to on the head (or in the case of mouths the opposite).

Paper is not called leaves because of what they're made of. They're called that because they're thin and frail, like leaves. (Magazines being called "blad" is the equivalent of "papers" in English).

Blades are called leaves because they're thin and long, like leaves often are. And often pointy or sharp, like many kinds of leaves are.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 08, 2021, 11:32:46 am
Rasierblatt, Laubblatt, Papierblatt. Also never heard it but "feuille de rasoir" sounds kinda legit too, when put besides feuille d'arbre et feuille de papier.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: voliol on August 08, 2021, 05:35:45 pm
English has it too, a sheet of paper in a book, magazine etc. is called a leaf, with a page printed on each side. Also in leaflet. As for the ”razor blade”, the etymology is shared with Norwegian ”blad” and German ”Blatt”, even if English has lost the original meaning of ”leaf” in all cases but when referring to the leaves of grass, which are indeed called blades.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 09, 2021, 01:15:33 am
My eyes are watering and I don’t know why, it feels like tears but I don’t understand what I’d be crying about, there’s no sadness, just the watering, does this happen to anyone else? There’s nothing in them, so that can’t be ot
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 09, 2021, 06:54:13 am
Sometimes my eyes get runny or super itchy (only throwing water on them still helps) late in the night. It´s allways because of eyestrain or excessive yawning in those cases.


Allergies might be another explenation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on August 09, 2021, 10:44:38 pm
The FFmpeg settings you need to set for Discord-embedded videos to play consistently on mobile are:
Codec: H.264 (VP9 works nicely on Android, but you risk losing compatibility with older Apple devices)
Pixel format: YUV 4:2:0 (-pix_fmt yuv420p)
Resolution: Theoretically anything, but safest to stick to the standard set of {144p, 240p, 360p, 480p, 720p...}...
If using MP4 as a container format: set -movflags faststart to allow for streaming.

Thus, the bare minimum FFmpeg command you need is:
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ffmpeg -i in.mkv -c:v libx264 -movflags faststart -pix_fmt yuv420p out.mp4

What I normally do is:
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ffmpeg -i video.mkv -i audio.m4a -c:v libx264 -movflags faststart -pix_fmt yuv420p -crf 28 -preset slow -c:a copy out.mp4

And if I was dumb and downloaded the Opus audio instead of AAC:

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ffmpeg -i video.mkv -i audio.opus -c:v libx264 -movflags faststart -pix_fmt yuv420p -crf 28 -preset slow -c:a aac -b:a 128k out.mp4

Yes, CRF 28. Hey, at least it lets me upload ~1 minute of 480p video + audio within the Nitro-less 8 MB limit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on August 27, 2021, 04:01:09 pm
heads heads tails heads tails
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 27, 2021, 05:12:01 pm
Imagine if Bill Cypher entered Bill Nyw and began teaching people mind magic
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on August 30, 2021, 04:57:43 pm
A person who raises tarantulas should be called a tarancher.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on August 30, 2021, 10:20:12 pm
So I'm playing a game, Mount & Blade: Bannerlord, where my character is of a group of tribal forest-clans who unified and "civilized" in order to resist a big scary (extremely Roman) empire.  Doing the longbow/smithing thing, working as a merchant-mercenary for my people, presumably more than a little xenophobic in the valid *resisting imperialists* sense.

So I come across this one wanderer, of my culture, who's bragging about his collection of trophy heads.  Which is a part of Battanian culture which has been referenced before, nostalgically, but like... maybe isn't so much a thing anymore?  And he's very cringe because he supposedly had to bury them all and even in his lie his victims had puny names.

My character probably respects the tradition of taking trophies, sure.  In theory and legend.  But this guy trying to grift on nostalgia for the old ways is really embarrassing.  And maybe my character would get much better deals with a larger market, and maybe indoor plumbing and some more books to read?

This led to me thinking about bidets again which is why I posted it here.  I still don't understand how they're supposed to work, but maybe finely pulped paper isn't the optimal path towards self-hygiene.  I don't know, it's been on my mind for a while.  oh and I guess I replaced the bolts on my dad's toilet a couple days ago.  So I could literally handle a bidet conversion personally, and an influencer I know has one, and it'd trigger all the trads.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 31, 2021, 09:14:17 am
What? Bidets are more traditional than toilet paper. Toilet paper is the hot new thing, bidets is the old fashioned archaic way.

Sometimes the old ways just were better
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on September 01, 2021, 07:59:44 pm
But what about gompf sticks?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on September 01, 2021, 08:17:35 pm
But what about shitting in the woods like nature intended for all creatures big and small?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 02, 2021, 03:04:43 am
Shitting in the woods and wiping with leaves is what god intended!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 02, 2021, 05:39:16 am
Spring brooks were the original bidets
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 06, 2021, 12:08:24 pm
the quality of being similar to others is called ique
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 06, 2021, 12:41:42 pm
Spoiler: Dominique (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 07, 2021, 02:51:40 am
Spoiler: Dominique (click to show/hide)
being simliar to a Domain?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on September 07, 2021, 03:45:21 am
Spoiler: Dominique (click to show/hide)
being simliar to a Domain?
Or a Domina
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on September 11, 2021, 08:24:33 pm
The "early bird special" should be a plate full of worms.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 11, 2021, 08:54:35 pm
The "early bird special" should be a plate full of worms.
live worms
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 11, 2021, 09:20:44 pm
Look, I'll try any crazy food in the evening just to brag about it later.  Even Klingon Gagh (https://www.startrek.com/database_article/gagh) which is pretty much what y'all are talking about.  But not for breakfast.

No, an early I-don't-want-to-be-up breakfast needs to be greasy mystery sausage and sweet pastry-like "biscuits".  And ideally it involves unfertilized chicken ovum.  Altogether a meal I would find disgusting when properly awake, and yet it's the only thing I care to eat as I'm making my half-asleep way to some morning obligation.

That or a mix that's like 90% raisins and m&ms, 10% oatmeal.  Mornings can be wonderful but I really need every advantage waking up for them.

Come at me with some live worms or exotic bog fish in the morning and I'm just going to fall asleep on my feet, issuing a groan so dire that it ushers in the end of the world.  (Sorry about that, by the way.  Basically everything happening is my fault, but I was SO tired and my mom was pushing Atkins that day).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on September 11, 2021, 09:22:17 pm
worm is just living sausage of mystery meat
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 11, 2021, 10:20:12 pm
worm is just living sausage of mystery meat
this is a fair point
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 12, 2021, 03:13:08 am
A sausage made from worms sounds like the nastiest thing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on September 12, 2021, 05:38:33 am
Oscar Meyer: yeah, heh, that'd be like...totally gross.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 12, 2021, 07:54:56 am
I just noticed that there are no moderators in Bay12. Only two admins, those being Toady and ThreeToe.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 12, 2021, 10:29:13 am
Yeah there's no secret kobold mods either

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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 12, 2021, 10:48:21 am
Yeah there's no secret kobold mods either

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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 12, 2021, 11:58:12 am
Yeah there's no secret kobold mods either

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what was the edit? I didn’t see a change
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on September 12, 2021, 12:22:44 pm
Yeah there's no secret kobold mods either

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what was the edit? I didn’t see a change

That's the joke.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 12, 2021, 12:42:47 pm
Yeah there's no secret kobold mods either

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what was the edit? I didn’t see a change
Ah, ok

That's the joke.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 12, 2021, 01:01:39 pm
Yeah there's no secret kobold mods either

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what was the edit? I didn’t see a change
The time of Last Edit changed to an impossible one, I don't get it though.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 12, 2021, 02:14:38 pm
...by Kurtulmak » [/i][/size]

"Kurtulmak" means "getting away from danger" in Turkish. What does this all mean?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 12, 2021, 03:17:21 pm
there is no kurtulmak on bay12

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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 12, 2021, 04:02:16 pm
Kurtulmak is a patron deity of kobolds in D&D-Forgotten Realms.  It's also nothing else

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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 12, 2021, 04:23:23 pm
So, why are we making edits by this deity from a world we made up?

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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 12, 2021, 04:28:23 pm
nobody is editing your posts

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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 12, 2021, 04:28:56 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 12, 2021, 04:37:33 pm
nobody is editing your posts

« Last Edit: Today at 23:11:54 by Kurtulmak »
oh I know, I wanted to continue playing along with this, even though I’m not entirely clear on the purpose of it

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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: anewaname on September 12, 2021, 04:52:41 pm
What does this have to do with eating horses?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 12, 2021, 05:43:19 pm
What does this have to do with eating horses?
absolutely nothing
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on September 12, 2021, 08:15:04 pm
You mean you dont chow down on a horse burger while shitposting on bay12?

Hmm, would horse burger or horse sausage taste better? I dont actually know any horse recipes except a lot of it probably ends up as dog food.

I know bison makes pretty fucking good burgers. And apparently kangaroo?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on September 13, 2021, 12:07:39 am
I’ve never had horse, but I’ve had deer, which are also ungulates, so maybe horse tastes more like deer?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on September 13, 2021, 12:44:43 am
You can get horse sashimi, which is apparently really good if you like raw meat.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 13, 2021, 01:00:30 am
I'd eat a horse!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on September 13, 2021, 04:55:27 am
I'd eat a horse!

And Zultan's not even hungry!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on September 13, 2021, 08:13:05 pm
I could eat a dodongo!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 13, 2021, 10:49:44 pm
Speaking of eating strange things, I got Subway again for the first time in a while and gosh, I keep imagining that they must train their people to keep a straight face regardless of order.  Because I know my culinary tastes are *weird* and it's the only food service where I really go HAM on the customization.

In this case I got my classic cucumbers/spinach/green peppers, then black olives and jalapenos, and finally some oregano and yellow mustard.  I was probably just paranoid but I thought I noticed an oddly approving nod from the server (and owner, I sensed) at the final mustard.  Was it sarcastic?  No, no, I was just anxious for other reasons.

Though even I can tell that that lovely mess of toppings works better on bird-meat than on meatball marinara.  What a mess.
delicious though.

Quickedit:  Eww I can't believe I typed lettuce, I only get spinach.  Why would I ever go lettuce instead of spinach?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eschar on September 14, 2021, 12:04:28 am
Is it bad that I feel a mild amount of satisfaction when seeing "you are ignoring this user" instead of a post on bay12

I am not saying anything about their identity, and please do not ask.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 14, 2021, 02:23:26 am
Is that what happens when you put some one on the ignore list?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eschar on September 14, 2021, 10:35:10 am
Is that what happens when you put some one on the ignore list?

sorry what was that, your post was replaced with some weird message about ignoring
(I'm not ignoring you don't worry)

If that's what the feature is called, yes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 20, 2021, 07:35:26 pm
It's weird how often I'm reminded there's like multiple million people who will probably never forget the intonation of "Hey! Listen!"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on September 20, 2021, 08:40:09 pm
It's weird how often I'm reminded there's like multiple million people who will probably never forget the intonation of "Hey! Listen!"

If someone says Hey to me I usually respond by looking at them and replying, "Listen!"

I've caught someone dead in their tracks with it, once.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 21, 2021, 04:02:02 am
What's that from?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 21, 2021, 07:37:44 am
Ocarina of Time, the first N64 zelda game. There's a famous/infamous character in it with a signature phrase -- first thing you hear from them, possibly the first voice you hear at all once you start the game, if I'm not misremembering -- of "Hey! Listen!"

They're largely considered one of the most godawful annoying characters in all of gaming :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 28, 2021, 03:13:20 am
I'm sleepily thinking about our 10 grasping digits (I had been thinking about math stuff, including base 10).  I've got this notion that a species with 6 digits (2 fingers + thumb on each hand) would have very different ergonomic designs.  Like for a device with a hilt and trigger (like a power tool) - there are sufficient digits, sure, but could they comfortably handle one of our devices designed for 3 fingers together along the grip?  Or might they have two strong opposing thumbs with which to clutch things tight, then a dextrous "forefinger"?  Would that forefinger have more range of motion than our fingers, much like our fingers are flexible compared to our thumbs?

Or maybe their 3 digits would be equal, kinda like a grabber-claw where there's no thumb (or forefinger).  Surely that would result in some oddly shaped devices, from our perspective.

Or gosh what if they were left-handed /s
Anyway I didn't have any point, just random thoughts.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 29, 2021, 02:07:10 am
Conjugating spanish verbs for nosotros (first person plural) puts amos at the end!  So like for "buscar", it's "Nosotros buscamos" for "we're looking/seeking".  That's so cute!  I can't help but think it's related to amo.  It's like you're saying "I am the people I care about are [doing X]".

It's kinda weird how English doesn't differentiate between singular and plural "you".  Tú and vosotros.  I guess the difference is usually clear in context.

What's not always clear in context is the difference between "first person plural" that includes or doesn't include the second person.  And yet I think both English and Spanish have that ambiguity, right?  So that telling someone "We will go" says nothing about whether they're expected to come along, except via secondary signals like emphasis.  Even in Spanish AFAICT.  In English you might emphasize "WE" (and drop the contraction) to exclude the second person, but that's pretty ambiguous without more context.

Eh I'm trying to recover my old Spanish and Latin lessons.  Conjugation is such a pain, but it's also sorta interesting sometimes.  And hey, it makes me thankful we don't gender every single noun :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on September 29, 2021, 02:39:52 am
It's kinda weird how English doesn't differentiate between singular and plural "you".  Tú and vosotros.  I guess the difference is usually clear in context.

My wife struggles with the "general you" and "royal we" that is used in English. The general you (like "you never bite the hand that feeds you") is a tricky one - because although it is referring to "everybody" and is used for advice, it is also frequently actually referring to the 2nd person, but is meant to feel less direct.

Eh I'm trying to recover my old Spanish and Latin lessons.  Conjugation is such a pain, but it's also sorta interesting sometimes.

This is great, Rolan! I love hearing about this stuff.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on September 29, 2021, 06:36:41 am
It's kinda weird how English doesn't differentiate between singular and plural "you".  Tú and vosotros.  I guess the difference is usually clear in context.

You used to have have that -- thou (tu) and you (vosotros). You just decided to go super formal for some reason and drop the singular/informal pronoun.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on September 29, 2021, 09:19:43 am
It's kinda weird how English doesn't differentiate between singular and plural "you".

"You" and "Y'all"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 29, 2021, 02:32:43 pm
It's kinda weird how English doesn't differentiate between singular and plural "you".

"You" and "Y'all"
wrongly implying y'all isn't used as a singular you, I see :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 02, 2021, 06:57:26 am
I didn't go and I don't think I will. Or maybe I will. IDK I just want to sleep through the day, nay, the week.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 07, 2021, 08:53:42 am
How the fuck can one believe in intelligent design, we live in a universe where:

-Condensation drops can form on the nose.
-Static electricity water physics
-When you restrict like a 40th of the hole circumference of a plastic bag, the thing is very likely yo refuse to be emptied in one swoop.
-a 12cm˛ (3x4cm) surface has no issues blocking all small particles from falling out of 8cm wide ball of stringy material, unless you want don't want no small particles, then they will find a fucking way to get past professional sealing.


Not to mention those self proclaimiing top of the foodchain monkeys that roam the streets.







I just had a woman arrive at the parc, see me in my uniform, then proceed to stare around aimlessly. After an inordinate amount of eyerolling from myself I took it upon me to release her from her demons by saying hello. She proceeded to ask where her broken vacuum cleaner goes, I answer small electronics like, you know, it's written on the sign (and as opposed to big electro meaning fridges and washing machines). She answers it ain't that small. I sigh and give her ample time commenting to myself "i don't want to philosophize about semantics" she pulls out an extremly normal vacuum cleaner, houseware kind not even those big round ones with several strength settings. I take it put it into the small electro commenting "come on sure, we're not a linguistics institute small electronics is just how it is called". Tell her to put the rest in the metal container. She does a few spins around her self because I did not specify to put the plastic head somewhere else, I ignore her eventually she figures it out. Well all of that must have been so thought stimulating she sits in her car and drives off with a door open. Now here I fucked up I should have yelled stop like a madman. But the amount of times somebody doing something a stupid way got half indignated for mentionning you left this or you lost that, I opted not to thinking she must have her "reasons" to drive with an open door. She drives all the way toward the exit, smacking her door into a wall, on a downward path, that was quite the angle, possibly more than a dent.



edit: I've run an cringy amount of scenarios in my head... Poor woman, I regret the way I acted. It is very tiresome to do all the thinking for our visitors, and it's especially hurtful if that leads to them shutting you down (bonus points if they're bad listeners and do the mistake anyway, it's really not that rare). I just hope she isn't on her last dime or that my snark didn't make her spiral into learned helpness because she has an actual abusive dick at home who's is gonna flip out at the door. I'm pretty sure she rode straight away because she was embarrassed, I really don't believe she had any health issues preventing her from noticing. Hopefully it's just some paint scratched and she just thought to herself: "god I'm such an airhead".... anyway no intelligent design here, just stochastic misery and sparodic peaks of joy
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on October 07, 2021, 07:42:02 pm
Someone should make a call monitor thing that automatically hangs up if one side of the conversation gets too loud. Call it a hush module or somethin'. You use that, put in the business's ToS "all our phone lines will immediately disconnect you if you start yelling".

Then you make that shit ubiquitous, maybe enforced by national level law: All commercial and governmental phone lines have the hush module installed and active.

Quality of life for phone operators nation wide just straight skyrockets overnight.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on October 07, 2021, 07:43:33 pm
My grandmother will never have a call again.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on October 07, 2021, 07:46:19 pm
There could maybe be some kind of national registry for folks that are hard of hearing, I'unno. There could be workarounds in those cases. It'd be optional for personal calls, probably, too.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on October 07, 2021, 08:21:43 pm
My grandmother will never have a call again.

WHAT?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on October 08, 2021, 12:35:02 am
Got a sensible chuckle from me, Iduno.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on October 12, 2021, 08:52:39 pm
Actually unsure if I want to be an atheist... And have been for months now.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on October 12, 2021, 11:05:03 pm
Quote from: G.K. Chesterton, "The Miracle of Moon Crescent"
You all swore you were hard-shelled materialists; and as a matter of fact you were all balanced on the very edge of belief—of belief in almost anything. There are thousands balanced on it today; but it's a sharp, uncomfortable edge to sit on. . . it's natural to believe in the supernatural. It never feels natural to accept only natural things.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on October 12, 2021, 11:25:35 pm
Look at this guy, predicting the online skeptic-to-zealot pipeline back in 1926.  Whether it be anti-SJW, SJ, conspiracy theories, or hilariously just "Judeo-Christian Values", it's remarkable how difficult it is to remain an actual skeptic.  Can be an exhausting way to live, if you over-commit to it.

Some groups stay true to reasonable skepticism but they do insist on sending 4-5 discord @all pings each time they go on the air, so screw those heretics :P

More seriously:  Being an atheist was a fun act of rebellion when I was young.  But over time it became a position I couldn't really argue myself out of, even when I tried.  Thankfully the world is full of plenty of mysteries to wonder at - there's no need to use invented ones.  AKA me wandering in nature, with some danger to spice it up, and feeling spiritually invigorated afterwards.

Sometimes it's comforting to imagine an all-powerful entity in charge of everything.  Other times that seems like the most horrifying possibility.  I think what we really want is a sense of wonder - remember that monotheism is relatively rare in human history.  Most deities are more like actors in interesting stories, metaphors for the mysteries of reality.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on October 13, 2021, 01:55:29 am
Apatheism is the way to go; look at the world and realize that the existence or nonexistence of any particular god wouldn't look any different given available information, so you might as well not give a damn about the question :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 13, 2021, 02:17:20 am
Agnosticism is the way to go, maybe there's a god maybe there isn't.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on October 13, 2021, 05:15:56 am
See I vaguely believe in a God or at least an afterlife/reincarnation. But I am unsure of the details and it's been bothering me for a while now. 100% sure not atheist however.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on October 13, 2021, 06:53:39 am
Why not atheism, if I can ask?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on October 13, 2021, 07:34:50 am
Why not atheism, if I can ask?
It doesn't sit with me. I can't explain why, it just doesn't feel right (nothing against the atheists themselves unless they're assholes about it).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on October 13, 2021, 11:28:51 am
One interesting argument for theism of any type is the fact that we have the concept of deity in the first place.  The question is - out of all the alternative explanations for various phenomena, why come up with "deity" instead of any other option?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on October 13, 2021, 11:34:09 am
We came up with tons of other options, though.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on October 13, 2021, 02:32:44 pm
Sure, but why did deity "stick" but things like "maybe you were just high" didn't?

I mean the ancient world had limited knowledge, but why would someone believe a dude saying they saw a burning bush in the desert and not dismiss him out of hand, unless there was something in collective consciousness which made such a thing a plausible situation?

It is feasible to assume that every single story of deity was enforced through conspiracy or force? Conspiracy seems unlikely, since throughout history there aren't (m)any records of "heh yeah we just made that stuff up and the whole population believed it!".  Force is more tenable, as in "if you don't promote these rituals we will beat you up/kill you/banish you to the wilderness where you will die without community support."

Even in those situations, though, why do you not have tons of records saying "yeah we say we believed it but we were just following along" or "it got so out of hand, we couldn't admit it was a hoax without getting killed" - you have honest people actually believing it.  This again hints that there is something that lends to its credibility beyond just "hype."

I find the two most plausible explanations either a quick or neurophysiology that lends us to think such things or that there really was some physical manifestation that led people to avoid immediate dismissal of such claims when they first originated.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on October 13, 2021, 03:15:11 pm
I'm sure a lot of it could be explained by our advanced ability to spot patterns, even in white noise.  It's useful when you're keeping watch for camouflaged predators!  On the other hand you're going to get some false positives- see things that aren't there.  It's not just visual either, as we see with modern conspiracy theories.

So maybe you keep catching glimpses of a wolf, night after night, but it keeps turning invisible.  Why does it keep bothering you?  Is it intelligent and sadistic?  Is it related to that ghostly deer?  And so on.

Whatever the case, this impulse you're talking about has generally led people to polytheism (or even vaguer animism) rather than monotheism.  Monotheism only self-perpetuates through the hard work of its followers to erase or adapt existing, natural beliefs.  It's not a natural idea, but it's good at unifying people behind a cause.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on October 13, 2021, 05:40:18 pm
There're threads for this argument, but this argument is weak. The basic premise is 'we all did this historically, so it must have a real basis.' Which we can find plenty of other examples where we wouldn't want to claim validity (folk medicine, gender inequality, ghosts).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on October 13, 2021, 09:06:58 pm
I will be entirely honest, I also ruled out polytheism/new age stuff. Similarly doesn't feel right to me.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 15, 2021, 10:35:44 am
Spoiler: meh (click to show/hide)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: A_Curious_Cat on October 22, 2021, 10:31:36 pm
Why hasn’t anyone started an RTD called “Roll to Doge”?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 23, 2021, 01:39:55 am
It is be cause we are not worthy!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on October 24, 2021, 12:37:47 am
I was thinking "What kind of creature would be less likely to invent or fully develop projectile weapons?"  And now I'm thinking of adorable little armadillos, operating some very alien machinery with their little paws.  Having conflicts and fights, but they're so used to that being nonlethal.  With tech on our level obviously they *could* operate a machine in such a way that, rube-goldberg style, someone dies...  but perhaps such an idea is an extreme taboo to them.  Of course it would happen, but such abberants would be isolated (perhaps until starvation) and spoke of in whispers.

I'm also thinking about how cute an armadillo would be, operating advanced technology.  One makes tools which make tools which make tools, and the end result lies in their cute little paws which they operate like it's a four-legged Dance Dance machine.

I'm also thinking about first contact with such a species.  I assume humans would be perceived as acting slowly, not to mention unnaturally tall.  Other stuff too - raising our arms to indicate being unarmed might be so alien.  Backing away is probably an understood signal of non-violent intent (though in our culture, with guns, it really isn't...).  Maybe kneeling would be a positive signal - offering vulnerability by reducing mobility, and signaling a desire for equality?

Whatever we do, we better not straighten our limb hairs!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on October 24, 2021, 12:46:12 am
Heh. I am actually writing an ultra-hard SF story (the one big lie is that FTL exists but it's fairly restricted). Thanks for the idea Rolan.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on October 24, 2021, 12:56:37 am
Oh nice, you're very welcome to it!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on November 13, 2021, 12:58:26 am
"Any tale belongs to whoever can best tell it." -- J. Frank Dobie.

Thing keeps popping up in my mind since I read it on the back of one of their books a few weeks back. One on hand, it basically encapsulates a great deal of my (low :P) opinion of copyright, super succinctly.

On the other, I keep having idle thoughts on what a copyright schema would look like that played that to the hilt -- whoever can tell the tale best gets copyright control over an IP, with anyone being able to have a go at it whenever they want. What the hell does that even look like? Would there be multiple owners in cases where "best" is actually different based on audience or something? How do you tally, who measures and administrates? What do publishing logistics even look like in an environment where copy and distribution authority and royalties and all can shift based on something like that? Would there be yearly contests or something?

It sounds like it'd be wild, and a very different sort of creative environment than we're used to as a collection of civilizations. I kinda' want someone to, like... try it, somehow. Make a publishing platform where rights to a story or character or whatever belongs to whoever can use it best.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 13, 2021, 04:48:54 am
Basically the most liked version would be the most credited, super intuitive and organic.One could keep a ledger of all edits like some chinbloke, for historical accuracy...

And since everything is going into a subscription model anyway have all companies be under the umbrella of an institution  that splits revenue according to a few metrics (a little more than just views that can be farmed with SEO)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 14, 2021, 11:35:06 am
Playing around with Linux made me realize something: when you use Linux on a personal-use machine, you're both the sysadmin and user. You're responsible for not breaking stuff as a sysadmin as much as you're responsible for being a good user.

...or maybe I've just gone nuts from using TTY modes for system administration, as well as insisting on starting off with minimal installs for any distro I touch.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 14, 2021, 07:25:33 pm
Moved to Railgun discussion. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=147792.6975)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: methylatedspirit on November 15, 2021, 02:38:45 am
What percent of keysmash is valid Perl?

Something like "alskjfsldkjflskdjs" (keysmash restricted to the alphabetical characters) is always valid because Perl reads this as a variable called "alskjfsldkjflskdjs", and because dynamic language, such a construct is valid, although meaningless.

Once you expand your horizons to allow symbols, though, your chances of emitting valid Perl through keyboard smash go down. "$^$%^&*$%%$&^(*%%$@#" looks like line-noise Perl (to Ms. Never Used Perl over here, mind you), but Perl looks at this and says:
Code: [Select]
Scalar found where operator expected at perl-keysmash line 1, near "$^$%"
        (Missing operator before $%?)
Scalar found where operator expected at perl-keysmash line 1, near "&*$%"
        (Missing operator before $%?)
syntax error at perl-keysmash line 1, near "$^$%"
Execution of perl-keysmash aborted due to compilation errors.

So, you know, your chances do go down substantially, though if you started with a "#", that would be always be valid because that's a comment. Unless if Perl's more fucky than I thought. Perl parsing is undecidable, after all.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 21, 2021, 10:59:20 pm
Alright, I've arranged all the uncomfortable business of tomorrow.  Now all I have to do is wake up and show up, groomed!
...
I'll need to wake up pretty early to do that!
...
Any time now... going to sleep on demand, yeah!
...
...
Super hyped for sleep!
...

(Try to imagine that feeling when woke up by an alarm, and you're SO tired.  Imagine it.  Focus on it.  Fail to wake up, that is to say, fall asleep)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 22, 2021, 03:10:48 am
I've noticed that when I need to get up earlier than normal I always have an incredibly hard time falling asleep.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 25, 2021, 09:03:07 am
A hundred businesses do 71% of emissions they say. I don't contest. It's just that I see where this myopic focus on ancillary facts (facts) leads; just juggle statistics with anti-maskers/vaxxers for a bit if you still think "a new study shows" has the potential to do anything but provide a springboard to pure narrative.

Somebody is upholding the demand, somebody is "buying all that shit".  And when you see what little consideration can be asked of absolutely normal people, how little can be too much to ask... We had a fake christmas tree on top of 25mł// about 6 tons of filth, being the only thing that peaked out of the container, well 3 out of 3 made me genuinly concerned they were gonna throw their dead leaves on top of it. I'm talking full on bag in hand, comparing sign and content of container, frantically searching for a justification to follow their instinct you could see them "think", even if doing that bullshit mistake won't even spare energy because it's easier or something, just plain old siren call of stupidity.

I had to move the fake christmas tree, I don't have attention to spare on such ineptitudes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 28, 2021, 05:44:41 pm
I'm not really sure if this is more of a Railgun Thread question anyways, but I'll mention it here.

I think people tend to associate free will with the opposite of determinism, which would be randomness. As in, people see evidence of true randomness in physics and hope that it means that their own behavior is free, determined by random particle behavior, rather than trapped by deterministic processes. Because people don't like to feel trapped, and thinking about being a deterministic thing can feel like being trapped.

But wouldn't being random be worse? If your decisions are partly determined by the universe's randomness, isn't that something external to yourself making choices for you? Whereas if you assume that your decision making process is deterministic, then at least that means that you're making your own decisions based on your own state, able to act rationally rather than be subtly influenced by an unthinking universal law?

or does the fact that I can't really conceive of something which isn't either deterministic or random just prove that I'm a philosophical zombie myself
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on November 28, 2021, 06:24:54 pm
This is usually a pro-determinism argument: most anti-determinist arguments don't actually argue for what they want (free will), they merely argue to break down determinism (by arguing for randomness). Basically, that's because most free-will advocates are also assuming in some deity or soul which they would slot into the gap where determinism breaks down, but that part of the argument isn't entirely necessary. The point of these is just to point out that determinism isn't completely correct, and really, if a determinist resorts to saying "yeah, but that doesn't support YOUR argument," they've effectively given up on being correct.

Fundamentally, the free-will arguments are weaker, so the strategy has to be "poke holes in determinism until free-will looks preferable". If there were a major third or fourth party in this argument, they'd all benefit from it over determinism.

EDIT: Still waking up...let's try to be clearer: for the free-will supporter, it's not about randomness supporting free will - it's about randomness breaking down determinism. That's about it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on November 28, 2021, 06:42:51 pm
The (Christian) argument for free will doesn't come from randomness or lack thereof; it comes from the theology that God didn't create puppets: where's the glory in creating devices that traverse the universe simply stating that God is awesome, simply because they have no other possible function?

Where the Christian theological conflict arises is the tension between the idea that God could create people with free will, be an all-good God, and all-powerful, yet still let some people suffer eternal damnation. The whole "problem of pain" argument about how God can't be both all-good and all-powerful if people suffer.

This is an orthogonal discussion to physical determinism in a classical versus a statistical sense (even quantum mechanics, for all its strangeness, is still deterministic in aggregate).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 28, 2021, 07:05:59 pm
But is free will deterministic, or is it random, or is it a third thing? And if it is a third thing, can you explain how it differs from either determinism or randomness?

If there is a soul or a god doesn't change the question, because a soul or a god would still have to be one of those three things: deterministic, random, or free. And if it's the third, I want to know what that means.

Perhaps free/unfree is just a different axis than deterministic/random. But in that case, determinism doesn't break down free will at all, there's be no reason for freedom believers to argue against it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on November 28, 2021, 07:25:16 pm
Perhaps free/unfree is just a different axis than deterministic/random. But in that case, determinism doesn't break down free will at all, there's be no reason for freedom believers to argue against it.

This is compatiblism - that the two are not mutually exclusive (something that I think better captures the perceivable free will).

Free will would certainly be a third thing - that being "free", which I think is generally categorized as "deteminism up until the final point of human decision, which rests in the power of the individual (i.e., soul)" I'd have to say most free will arguments are post hoc - we all experience and believe we have free will, thus it is an assumed conclusion and all reasoning for it is motivated. That said, it is stronger than I'm making it out to be, I just haven't studied it in several years.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on November 28, 2021, 07:39:32 pm
Pretty sure philosophical zombies take free will and determinism to be something other than merely the statement of the problems and conflicts inherent in a number of common ideological schemata.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 28, 2021, 07:52:39 pm
To me, the feeling I get at the moment when I make a decision feels more compatible with determinism than with randomness. Weigh the options, consider the consequences, pick one. It doesn't feel like I've just been passed my decision from somewhere outside my brain, with no regard for how good or bad that option would be for me. Maybe that moment of decision did lie somewhere outside my skull, in some metaphysical structure, but it still feels like whatever made the final call was me, and that it was made based on how good or bad the options seemed.

So, isn't
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"determinism up until the final point of human decision, which rests in the power of the individual (i.e., soul)"
Just, determinism, and then more determinism? In order for my soul to make good decisions, isn't it necessary for it to be at least partly deterministic, with the other part being random?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on November 28, 2021, 07:59:12 pm
You described free will, there - ultimate decision making was up to you (limited by deterministic conditions such as the number of options currently open).

Determinism states that the contemplation and deliberation process is an illusion and that the only choice you can make is the one you ultimately choose. Evidence does support this, too - our brains and bodies make decisions before we cognate on it, and a good portion of reasoning is backwards - justifying a pre-made decision.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 28, 2021, 08:15:05 pm
What I mean is, I suppose that my intuitive feeling of how it works makes me feel like Compatibilism is true, and that being a deterministic thing and free will are one and the same. But that's not the conclusion that everybody reaches. Is this just a difference in context from being raised christian?

I don't see how the point at which the real decision is made or whether an illusion is involved in it changes the fact that the process is deterministic. If one part of me makes the decision, and then has to explain to the second part why it's good, then it's still me. It all happens inside my skull, or inside my soul, or passed between the two. It doesn't matter because all those things are part of me.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on November 28, 2021, 08:40:11 pm
The question comes down to options. If you reran the situation 100 times - a determinist would say the results would be the same 100 times. If you believe in any form of free will, then the results could be different. There is also a direct causal line to the beginning of time for every action, and that difference is essential for a lot of forms of morality - which give personal responsibility to actions. You can't put blame on someone if what they did was effectively prescribed at the big bang. That's meandering into subsequent arguments though.

The free will defender would like to say that you are presented with choices and choose one, but have the ability to choose others. The determinist says you aren't presented with real choices, and only "choose" whatever it is that you're going to do.

Compatibilism says that you can't choose other options, but that's fine because it is still "you" "choosing". In many ways, compatibilism is just determinism with different wording.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on November 28, 2021, 08:46:01 pm
If you reran the situation 100 times [snip]

Okay let's do it.  :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on November 28, 2021, 09:05:52 pm
Sounds like we've collectively rediscovered what many have already discovered: the debate of free will vs random vs determinism is irrelevant to our everyday experience. Because we aren't time travelers, and we don't have a way to "re-run" our lives to try a different option, there is no meaningful differentiation between any of the options.

The closest it can come to having a "real life" impact is debates about legal culpability.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on November 28, 2021, 09:07:11 pm
If you were put in the same situation 100 times, such that everything was the same- the environment around you, your body, your brain, and your soul, then if you made a different decision it was due to randomness. Which isn't part of you, it's part of the universe. If we say that souls are real, and you were allowed to be put into the same situation 100 times with your body and brain the same, but your soul allowed to change and learn, then it's not really being put in the same situation, is it?

You could say that everything was predetermined by the big bang, but that doesn't change the fact that we're inside of it, we can't predict what will happen, and what we choose to do is our own, because it can't be anything else's. If you can't put blame on someone for what they did because it was caused by the big bang, then you may as well not care about anything.
But not entirely caring isn't one of the options we have, it doesn't happen. If you're alive, you care about something, whether that's rational or not.

Well, maybe I've gone too far into arguing my position rather than asking what free will is, but I'm not left with a satisfying definition. Maybe I shouldn't need to care unless I find evidence of souls, god, or time travel.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on November 28, 2021, 10:52:11 pm
It's one of the favorite topics of endless discussion because, yes - the answer is almost certainly unachievable. Determinism has a strong foundation because causality is the basis of most of our forms of knowledge gathering. Free will is almost exclusively the realm of the theists, who struggle to define it without referencing Doctrine.

You'll find no shortage of descriptions in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/freewill/). It seems the major definitions are "freedom to do otherwise" - as we described being impossible to test, and "sourcehood" - which seems to be your opinion on the matter, Egan - that the action comes from us (as vague as "us" is.)

Here's an example from that same article about how you can have free will without options which I like:
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Imagine, if you will, that Black is a quite nifty (and even generally nice) neurosurgeon. But in performing an operation on Jones to remove a brain tumor, Black inserts a mechanism into Jones’s brain which enables Black to monitor and control Jones’s activities. Jones, meanwhile, knows nothing of this. Black exercises this control through a sophisticated computer which he has programmed so that, among other things, it monitors Jones’s voting behavior. If Jones were to show any inclination to vote for Bush, then the computer, through the mechanism in Jones’s brain, intervenes to ensure that he actually decides to vote for Clinton and does so vote. But if Jones decides on his own to vote for Clinton, the computer does nothing but continue to monitor—without affecting—the goings-on in Jones’s head. (Fischer 2006, 38)

In my mind, the strongest account of free will (without defining it) is that everyone fundamentally believes they are in control of their own actions, thus it doesn't need proving - the burden of proof is on determinists, and as things start getting random on the quantum scale, their proof weakens (though feelotraveller's point about quantum gobbltygook being predictable at scale is a very good point).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on December 01, 2021, 02:22:37 am
Free will is the ability to decide to discuss free will without being forced to.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 02, 2021, 11:09:12 pm
I hate the stench of coffee in the morning. Second time this week I'm showing up at 6 instead of 12am. And last time I shit you not they wasted 45 minutes slurping coffee before we started. The stench of coffee will never not remind me of poorly mooded functionnaries obstructing real live under the sickly light of neon tubes... And for that shit I'm waking at this ungodly hour? I feel like waltzing in there and telling them "ey yo if you need me I'm smoking joints in my car, call me when we are goong to work. It's shame I can't in good conscience.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 03, 2021, 12:50:30 am
The stench is part of what wakes you up.  I assume.  For me, the taste of bitter (unadulterated with sugar and cream) wakes me the heck up.
The caffeine kicks in a few minutes later.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 03, 2021, 01:59:22 am
Coffee that's been all gussied up with fancy stuff can smell alright. Most of it just smells like self-hatred, the stink of people that don't want to be where they are, when they are, distilled into a slurry of stimulants and shitty bean tea. It's mildly depressing, tbh :-\

Dunno what the taste is like, really, though. Been long enough I've forgotten and it smells too bad to try anymore, nevermind other issues with it. I tried coffee at some point in my youth and was just "holy fuck the caffeine isn't worth this when there's leaf tea and soda" and never looked back. By the time I was 25 or so I'd sworn off drinking caffeine at all, ha (the first week of that was hell. The second or third was better than I'd been in years). Get a bit from chocolate occasionally, but that's all, been cutting back on that, too.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on December 03, 2021, 02:37:05 am
Coffee [...] Most of it just smells like self-hatred, the stink of people that don't want to be where they are

That's the point, bub.
*takes a long drag off my coffeecup*
That's always been the point.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on December 03, 2021, 06:31:37 am
The coffee smell grosses me out. But I've heard many people say they like the smell... is that some type of double-think, or do they really like it?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 03, 2021, 08:07:54 am
I honestly can't believe there's people who dislike the smell of coffee. You have to be making this shit up.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 03, 2021, 08:10:00 am
The smell is the best part. Coffee never tastes as well as it smells. You weird noseless mutant you.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on December 03, 2021, 08:18:25 am
The smell is the best part. Coffee never tastes as well as it smells. You weird noseless mutant you.
OMG, you literally made me laugh! 
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 03, 2021, 08:23:27 am
The smell is the best part. Coffee never tastes as well as it smells. You weird noseless mutant you.
I mean, you're not wrong. The smell is indeed the best part, and coffee does tend to taste worse than it smells (least from what little I remember and what folks generally say).

It's just that that changes nothing about my previous post :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 03, 2021, 08:47:18 am
The smell is the best part. Coffee never tastes as well as it smells. You weird noseless mutant you.

Heh it's like when small kids don't eat many foods, the receptors aren't worn down enough yet  :P.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: taat on December 03, 2021, 10:35:26 am
I think coffee tastes terrible but the smell is still pretty good
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on December 03, 2021, 02:48:26 pm
Ahem.. scented coffee tastes worse than it smells.

I personaly like my coffee plain, no sugar, no milk/cream and no added flavours (hazelnuts, caramel etc) and I find both its smell and taste quite comforting, especially if i'm drinking it hot. Having said that, I agree with dragdeler, I hate the culture of drinking coffee at work and if they are going to waste my time, I'd rather sip my coffee in peace, at home and with no one over my head.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: martinuzz on December 04, 2021, 04:54:53 am
Dear meatbags,
while I am in no way offended by your deadly sins, they are not an all-you-can-eat buffet.
Your excessive gluttony is giving me diaboletes, and I am getting tired of shooting my veins full of insolence instead of using it to torture your eternally damned souls.
What's worse, the magnitude of your greed is threatening to destroy your planet, and with it, my continued influx of new sinners. Bad for business, that's what it is.
So please, you fat cows, could you attempt some moderation with the materialistic components of worshipping me?

Kind regards, your buddy, Satan.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on December 04, 2021, 05:51:31 am
Dear Satan,

if you can't keep up with the simple demand of securing new stream of customers sinners, we will be forced to find a new fallen angel to worship.

Regards,
The sinner lobby

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: martinuzz on December 04, 2021, 05:53:55 am
Dear sinner lobby,

I didn't fall. I was pushed.

Regards, Satan
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on December 07, 2021, 11:27:15 pm
y'know, Rudolph was only accepted into santa!society when his disfigurement became useful.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 08, 2021, 04:06:18 am
You hear that kids Santa only loves useful freaks!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on December 08, 2021, 04:12:47 am
As if Santa wasn't a freak himself.  Pretty fucking huge for an elf.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on December 08, 2021, 04:17:15 am
That freak Santa. . . (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDLumk_rQQw)

UwU (https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/gay-santa-advert-branded-creepy-by-critics-who-say-it-sexualizes-christmas/ar-AARazVq)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on December 08, 2021, 07:56:09 am
Disney Bandwagon (https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/black-santas-appearing-at-disneyland-and-disney-world-for-first-time)

"I'd like to do a song of great social and political import"
AKA Freak seeks Mercedes Benz (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E2_zay3B6Q)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 08, 2021, 08:17:41 am
y'know, Rudolph was only accepted into santa!society when his disfigurement became useful.

That's a big wrongo. It was the other reindeer that bullied Rudolph, not Santa.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on December 08, 2021, 11:33:29 am
y'know, Rudolph was only accepted into santa!society when his disfigurement became useful.

That's a big wrongo. It was the other reindeer that bullied Rudolph, not Santa.

how does that make it any better for poor Rudolph
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 08, 2021, 03:51:17 pm
Well it means you should call it reindeer society, not sully santa's association with such second-rate slander!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 09, 2021, 02:44:16 am
How do we know it isn't Santa that perpetuates the reindeer on reindeer racism?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on December 09, 2021, 09:33:12 am
We need less Santa and more Krampus!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: martinuzz on December 09, 2021, 04:25:45 pm
Santa is almost Satan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTGlUMvbhSw
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 09, 2021, 04:28:40 pm
We need less santa, less krampus, and more yule goat
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: martinuzz on December 09, 2021, 04:31:26 pm
Didn't they use to burn people in those things? Wicker man goat?

EDIT: with 'they', I ofcourse I mean the Swedes. Back in the human sacrifice days, everyone in their right mind just used human shaped wicker men for that.
Can't blame them though. If you stare into the abyss of surströmming long enough, the abyss will stare right back at you.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 09, 2021, 04:44:09 pm
The things we do to placate King Bore, Lord of Winter
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on December 09, 2021, 04:44:18 pm
That freak Santa. . . (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDLumk_rQQw)

UwU (https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/gay-santa-advert-branded-creepy-by-critics-who-say-it-sexualizes-christmas/ar-AARazVq)

I am sorry but this was some high quality content and I need everyone to admire these beautiful men again
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 09, 2021, 04:57:19 pm
It's definitely one of the highest quality postal services ad I've ever seen :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 10, 2021, 02:30:07 am
Wicker man goat?
So when do we get goat Nicolas Cage screaming about the bees?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Yoink on December 10, 2021, 07:26:53 am
I honestly can't believe there's people who dislike the smell of coffee. You have to be making this shit up.
Agreed. For several years just a whiff of coffee smell would transport me back to my childhood visits to a certain SE Asian nation where they had their coffee black, sludgy and delicious, with a generous helping of sugar... now those memories have faded for the most part, but I still love the smell. I still drink my coffee black, too.   


The stench is part of what wakes you up.  I assume.  For me, the taste of bitter (unadulterated with sugar and cream) wakes me the heck up.
The caffeine kicks in a few minutes later.
There was a song I wanted to post in response to this, that I distinctly remember discovering and listening to on Spotify years ago, but now I can't seem to find it. :(   
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on December 10, 2021, 07:44:37 am
UwU (https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/gay-santa-advert-branded-creepy-by-critics-who-say-it-sexualizes-christmas/ar-AARazVq)

Meanwhile at the sexy santa elf costume industry...
(https://i.imgur.com/bq2V9A9.jpg)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 10, 2021, 01:17:43 pm
It's easy my heteros, the plan to get back at gay santa has been laid out by the ancients since the eons. Let the treehuggers blabber, they're obviously part of the gay agenda, and we want Santa to know. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq2iDu3saNc)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on December 12, 2021, 05:40:57 am
Quick sidenote that while official marriage between homosexual couples is a relatively new thing in Norway, it's not quite as meaningful given that most of the rights associated with marriage in the US are granted by cohabitation/domestic partnership in Norway, which I don't think has ever discriminated against same-sex pairings.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: martinuzz on December 12, 2021, 05:55:10 am
Yeah, same here. Same sex-marriages for the church are relatively new, but same-sex marriages / other forms of official partnership which give the same rights as church marriage have been legal for a long time.

It has, for a very long time now, not really been anything about discriminating lgbti, it was more of a clash between constitutional right of freedom of religion and constitutional right to non-discrimination.

Note that the vast majority of marriages over here are for the state, not for the church anyways.

In other words: the question was more 'can we force a religious person to do something that goes against their belief?
For example, can you force a jew/muslim to eat pork / can you force a catholic priest to minister a same-sex wedding ceremony in the church?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: voliol on December 12, 2021, 07:56:48 pm
The Swedes do burn a goat still (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A4vle_goat), if ”still” is applicable when it hasn’t been burned for the last four years because burning the goat is an act of arson and the municipality will do anything to stop it. It’s a shame.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on December 12, 2021, 09:20:49 pm
can we talk about how the terran music in starcraft 1 absolutely slaps?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: None on December 12, 2021, 09:35:52 pm
terran theme is BUMPIN man I put on the starcraft soundtrack one day earlier this year and was floored at just how effectively each race's musical themes capture their ideological themes, since I never bothered thinking closely about that while acquiring vespene gas

but if you wanted to just 'listen to a piece of soundtrack' you gotta go terran man

and those sounds are iconic i made a loot filter for path of exile that would play zerg sounds when good loot dropped so high-value objects sound like scourges exploding and high-tier maps are greater spires and all the little goodie jubblies currency that's nice but not valuable was that good good splllllt spllllt splllt sounds the hydralisks make when they shoot.

OGH so satisfying

(I'm thinking about this in context of 2000's starcraft, not the remaster)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 12, 2021, 09:58:05 pm
can we talk about how the terran music in starcraft 1 absolutely slaps?
Omigosh, right?  Starcraft 1 can be hard to play in a lot of ways, but the Terran music lives up to my memory of old LAN parties.

Sure they were copying off Warhammer once the deal fell through...  But making the Space Marines into the Deep South was pretty brilliant.  Every unit has so much character, and works just as well whether they're fighting for the Terran Confederacy or are snarky rebels and freebooters.  The siege tankers have a drawl so deep that even I was misunderstanding them!  And I know it's in my head but you can almost see their glee when you managed to deploy and support them properly, and an enemy force just gets... denied.  Goes hand in hand with those cocky fighter-jocks.  Even the prim battlecruiser captains really just want to fire off their wave-motion-cannons.

The music evokes a lot of that for me.  High stakes, industrial, and very... very frontier.  I'm glad that Earth was basically unmentioned until the expansion.  These frontier Deep-South terrans relied on adaptability and sarcastic grit, and that's a legacy I can be proud of (in this game where it isn't relying on chattel slavery).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 12, 2021, 11:01:19 pm
The siege tankers have a drawl so deep that even I was misunderstanding them!
It was years after I played the SC1 campaigns through that I stopped wondering why the blazes those critters were talking about eating roses. Rose eating, rose eating, they kept saying, and I had no idea what they were going on about.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 12, 2021, 11:08:18 pm
The siege tankers have a drawl so deep that even I was misunderstanding them!
It was years after I played the SC1 campaigns through that I stopped wondering why the blazes those critters were talking about eating roses. Rose eating, rose eating, they kept saying, and I had no idea what they were going on about.
Literally same!  I assumed "Rose eaten" was a phrase from Alabama or Florida or something, I'm merely NC.  Nice to hear it confused you too.

Also the Goliaths addressing "Tac-COM" sounded a little bit like my handle at the time, and I briefly thought it was some text-to-speech gimmick.  It was FAR off but close enough for my suspension of disbelief.

The Terran theme, to save people a Google search: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD4GbGmvNRc
It's fun to check out all the Starcraft 1 unit quotes on Youtube, though.  They say a lot of funny things when you keep clicking them. 

Edit:  As someone who loved Mechwarrior stuff growing up, it was pretty weird/funny for a game to include walkers... And they were essentially mobile SAM batteries!  Technically capable in ground-ground combat but cost-ineffective compared to most other options.  Or maybe it's just that every air unit was incredibly fragile for its cost...  I tended to use Wraith fighters instead.  They were equally fragile, but the invincibility of a cloaking device makes for a devastating attack against enemy fliers.

I assume Blizzard was picturing Imperial Guard Sentinels, basically AT-STs, instead of proper battlemechs.  But their devastating anti-air attacks stuck with me for a unit that was otherwise pretty disappointing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 12, 2021, 11:15:38 pm
The siege tankers have a drawl so deep that even I was misunderstanding them!
It was years after I played the SC1 campaigns through that I stopped wondering why the blazes those critters were talking about eating roses. Rose eating, rose eating, they kept saying, and I had no idea what they were going on about.
Literally same!  I assumed "Rose eaten" was a phrase from Alabama or Florida or something, I'm merely NC.  Nice to hear it confused you too.
Yeah, proceeding is just generally not a word used down here in places with that kind of drawl to begin with. I can comprehend accents thicker than theirs most days, but that particular word just isn't one I've heard much or at all in the wild. Too fancy for general use, heh.

Meanwhile roses are genuinely edible and gardening and junk is fairly common around here, so... that was a comprehensible thing, I just didn't understand why they were talking about it. Answer was they weren't...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 13, 2021, 05:32:25 am
The Swedes do burn a goat still (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A4vle_goat), if ”still” is applicable when it hasn’t been burned for the last four years because burning the goat is an act of arson and the municipality will do anything to stop it. It’s a shame.

This is the real war on Christmas
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Post by: delphonso on December 13, 2021, 07:22:28 am
God listening that Terran theme transported me back in time and halfway across the globe in an instant.

Shit, I bet I can get Starcraft to run in Wine.
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Post by: dragdeler on December 20, 2021, 09:09:58 am
Shit, I bet I can get Starcraft to run in Wine.

Aw yiss 20 year old graphics add that to the list.


Dear santa, I want snow, it to be ass cold outside, way too hot inside, a bottle of rum, not be bothered for 10 days, and 20 year old graphics. We used to do a week of lan party between christmas and new year...  It's funny and sad how starcraft, warcraft 3, AOE2 and rise of nations are still pretty much guaranteed to be more fun than the first RTS that can found being sold for 50 bucks on the storefronts today.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 20, 2021, 02:16:49 pm
... what 50 buck RTS games are they even making nowadays? I don't pay much attention to most stuff in that price range anymore, but I had a sort of half-there impression the genre was in a bit of a slump, production wise.

Also if you're talking brick and mortar storefronts, gods, it's was years even prior to the plague that I looked at what those were offering...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 20, 2021, 02:20:57 pm
AOE4 even goes at 60, then you have northgard, which, granted, goes for 30... Other than that there were a bunch of remasters over the years.

Yes that genre is pretty much on life support since MOBAs exist.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 29, 2021, 07:48:09 am
lol why do ducks allways sprint fly like they are being chased by the devil, these things move forward! my personal pet  theory is that they handle flying like i do socializing - they'd rather be in their pond
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Post by: Enemy post on January 03, 2022, 05:44:50 pm
It always makes me a little sad to read about Little Lord Fauntleroy. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Lord_Fauntleroy) Same spirit as this XKCD, I think.

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/unquote.png)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on January 03, 2022, 06:32:29 pm
Does anyone have a good example of nonfiction poetry?

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Post by: Il Palazzo on January 03, 2022, 06:34:04 pm
Does anyone have a good example of nonfiction poetry?
The Charge of the Light Brigade? Other military or war-themed poems?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on January 03, 2022, 06:39:28 pm
I don't think that would count as nonfiction... or are those poetic accounts of actual events?
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Post by: Il Palazzo on January 03, 2022, 06:53:11 pm
Yeah, that's the point. Find a famous battle, or some heroic last stand, or even wartime atrocity. Real events. Somebody will likely have written a poem about it. Like with the aforementioned charge.
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Post by: delphonso on January 03, 2022, 07:49:22 pm
Does anyone have a good example of nonfiction poetry?

Almost all rap is non-fiction. You can look earlier for the roots of rap in spoken-word poetry around New York around the 50's and 60's.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 05, 2022, 09:25:08 am
Tired to support behavioural problems 6 days a week. If you got  a whole car trailer + car worth of trash every 5-10 days yore doing something seriously wrong. Why do they all have buckets filled with phytotoxins... This morons haven't emptied a single one of these poisons. Our lack of strict rules has created it's own demand.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on January 05, 2022, 10:27:22 am
Does anyone have a good example of nonfiction poetry?

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The librarian joke is that we shelve all poetry as nonfiction (811 or 821 for english stuff, under dewey), so...

... but yeah, I can't recall any off the top of my head, but there is tons and tons and tons of autobiographical poetry out there, just huge frothing mountains of it, it's like flat out one of the most common sorts that get published and more or less all of it would count for what you seem to be talking about. Just go to amazon or whatever and scope their top selling poetry lists for something like that and you'll find piles of it.
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Post by: anewaname on January 05, 2022, 12:23:52 pm
Does anyone have a good example of nonfiction poetry?

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Can poetry really exist as non-fiction? I mean, while many poems can be read literally and can appear to be non-fiction, those words usually are the delivery mechanism for the allegory content and that content is often the type that make 3rd graders shudder when they fully understand it.

Something about:
- leaves falling from trees --> young people dying in war
- a fork in the road --> choices taken in life
- whispering of the wind --> memories of strong feelings for others
- seeing some young people --> reconciling the wastefulness of youth to the inability of the aged
- considering the number of drops of water in an ocean --> recognizing the insignificance of most all people

I would propose that most or all poetry is non-fiction because of the allegoric content, not because the actual words of the poem offer non-fiction.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on January 05, 2022, 01:14:52 pm
Eh, there's definitely stuff that calls itself poetry that's very literal with a subject that would traditionally be considered non-fiction. There's also long form poetry or verse literature that's novel length poems with a subject that would be generally be labeled fiction. Poetry ranges really bloody far in terms of form and function (especially if you're of the opinion it strongly overlaps with music, which isn't exactly a radical position to take), and at the end of the day I don't think it's any more limited than prose in terms of if it can be fiction or non-fiction.

... fortunately, my job's easy and I don't have to consider fiddly bits -- all poetry is shelved in the 800s as nonfiction and I don't have to care beyond that :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on January 05, 2022, 02:58:41 pm
Tired to support behavioural problems 6 days a week. If you got  a whole car trailer + car worth of trash every 5-10 days yore doing something seriously wrong. Why do they all have buckets filled with phytotoxins... This morons haven't emptied a single one of these poisons. Our lack of strict rules has created it's own demand.

Have you explained to them that, because they are not plants, they are safe to drink?

I have no serious imput on this, people just do weird stuff for reasons nobody can adequately explain.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 06, 2022, 08:00:44 am
I bet we could get 2 liters into them, though their incineration might become very costly  :D
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Post by: None on January 06, 2022, 09:42:19 am
amazon box drifting down the street

downtown tumbleweed

undesirable propagation of corporate will through detritus
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on January 06, 2022, 03:12:23 pm
Burmashave
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 12, 2022, 08:07:35 am
You can pretend you don't exist, as you do so successfully, but I've counted, and your existence is a matter of statistical necessity: someone breed tomatoes with not just a green dot but a whole green line on top.You may even be able to fool the people who make sandwiches into believing it's not real, but you can't fool me, I know you're out there making big tomato bucks supplying the whole world. It's a matter of statistical necessity.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 22, 2022, 03:26:08 am
Not a fan of the 7 hours of daylight that are left. All of this would be much more bearable in the dark.




doublepost: we do not fraternise with the monkeys, even the loyalty of a cat is less self serving. I'm think I'm gonna go back to verbally abusing them, no yelling but if I can make someone cry I'm a happy man. I'd so much rather escalate a gooday into "you don't matter to me I hope you'll die painfully" than stroke another mendacious ego.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on February 02, 2022, 08:31:06 am
I wonder if there is people who have scripts ready to be able to eternalise a maximum of custom messages sent at 22:22:22 2/2/2022
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on February 02, 2022, 09:45:15 am
It'd be an interesting script considering it'd have to run, what, twenty something times, skipping around servers to follow time zone changes.

Though that's not really maximal. Maximal would be figuring out how to lay claim to and dictate the calendar system for another stellar body, so that instead of counting up, the year starts at 2222 and just adds another 2 at the end for each passing year. Adjust the days and weeks to add more twos, too, for that matter.

or, no, no

it would have 9 months, and tell the date by number of digits, each month changing the number. So first month, first day, first year, would be 1/1/1, first month, second day, second year, would be 1/11/11, third month, fifth day, tenth year would be 3/33333/3333333333, and so on. It'd be amazingly awful :D
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Post by: Iduno on February 02, 2022, 10:39:59 am
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Post by: King Zultan on February 04, 2022, 04:42:16 am
Seems somebody doesn't want to wake up at 6AM.
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Post by: None on February 13, 2022, 10:29:25 pm
Y'know how it's said like "person is just standing there with their dick in their hand" as a means of conveying idleness? I propose that we should instead say "person is just standing their with their bits in their mitts." Much more gender-neutral and much catchier, yeah?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on February 13, 2022, 10:44:12 pm
but penises are funny
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Post by: Iduno on February 13, 2022, 10:52:43 pm
Seems somebody doesn't want to wake up at 6AM.

Yeah. Especially not on groundhog's day.


but penises are funny

Agreed.
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Post by: Vector on February 13, 2022, 11:07:32 pm
but penises are funny

Yeah. Especially not on groundhog's day.

How I read the thread
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on February 14, 2022, 03:02:29 am
Groundhog day, the only day penises aren't funny.
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Post by: EuchreJack on February 14, 2022, 04:26:28 am
Groundhogs prefer nuts
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: None on February 14, 2022, 09:59:36 pm
phony stoner boy

or

stony phoner boy

Choose your fighter!
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Post by: voliol on February 15, 2022, 04:16:09 am
Do either of them have the ability to throw stones?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: martinuzz on February 15, 2022, 02:55:03 pm
Phony stoner huffs and puffs, while stony phoner is built out of stone.

Little pig wins!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtffv9bpB-U
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on February 25, 2022, 03:26:30 pm
I just noticed, after all this time of froicking in internet forums, that people almost always call me "Magma" from the very beginning.

Its like a quirk in human behavior to always call me Magma instead of Magmacube.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on February 25, 2022, 07:06:08 pm
That so, tr?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on February 25, 2022, 07:43:57 pm
Well said, river.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on February 26, 2022, 11:40:48 am
Yes, I agree, onso
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Post by: MaxTheFox on February 27, 2022, 05:34:03 am
I concur, cube.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on February 27, 2022, 10:27:11 am
Cheesecake and pumpkin pie look essentially identical yet one is a cake and the other a pie.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on February 27, 2022, 09:59:41 pm
... some game should make a homing upgrade for their weapons, where it's incredibly good -- it homes very strongly, makes it so projectiles no longer stop, bounce off walls, etc. Basically make it so no shot will ever go to waste, full on perfect efficiency.

But. Once you fire a shot, it will hit something, and if it can't find an enemy soon enough, that "something" will be you. Your bullets become very good at what they do, but, uh. Don't let them get bored :V
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Post by: Egan_BW on February 27, 2022, 10:50:16 pm
Not quite that, but the saw gun in Nuclear Throne is a very double-edged sword. Projectiles which pierce through enemies, bounce off walls once, AND hurt you. You can make them homing but they only home on enemies.

However, what you described does seem like it would lead to some odd gameplay: basically you have to memorize how many shots each enemy can take and then spam click just enough to eliminate every enemy present without going over.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on February 27, 2022, 11:27:15 pm
There was a game with a "homing" gun, essentially when you pulled the trigger the game would aimbot you at the nearest enemy so you'd hit them.  Problem was, what enemy was closest was measured absolute.  So I'd try to shoot the guy in front of me, but there's a guy "closer" who's directly above me on the next floor.  My camera jerks to the bloody ceiling and shoots up.

Deep Rock Galactic's smart gun used a smart lock-on system to shoot the exact number of shots to kill things.  Bullets would follow a curve from the barrel to target, so the real skill was in using this to bend around obstacles, or curve over a bug to hit its butt instead of the armored body.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on February 28, 2022, 12:06:22 am
Somehow it's technically a thing in Disgaea 1, obscurely.  The Scout class has a weird ability where they summon an autonomous gun which shoots directly at the nearest enemy for a bit.  After the first turn it fires on the nearest unit, which is likely to be the scout that summoned it.

Also my mind went directly to snarks from Half Life 1, but they're not a gun.  I guess.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on March 06, 2022, 01:58:36 pm
In horror movies with ghosts possesing things, they always possess a person or some doll or something. Why? Like, that is so lame.

If I was a ghost, I would possess The Internet.
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Post by: martinuzz on March 06, 2022, 02:39:58 pm
Hi I'm Chucky.com wanna play?

Also, this game might tickle your fancy

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1269950/Buddy_Simulator_1984/
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 07, 2022, 02:05:21 am
What about a ghost possessing a dog or a cabinet, it'd be more interesting than a person.
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Post by: Uthimienure on March 07, 2022, 04:01:23 am
It's always interesting when a ghost possesses a painted portrait on the wall.
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Post by: MrRoboto75 on March 07, 2022, 09:38:52 pm
(https://c.tenor.com/jVFocPggX98AAAAC/piss-off-ghost-go-away.gif)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on March 11, 2022, 09:05:01 am
From the day on I leave this job, I will allways antagonize parc visitors, anytime I pass in front I close the gates, if I'm going myself I'll park so that nobody getting past me, if I see somebody doing errors I'll insult them best I can, maybe I even get to fight somebody.


Fucking garbage junkies, allways the same stupid faces bringing 3 trailers in 2 weeks. Meanwhile normal fucking people come thrice a year and are done in 5 minutes.

It's not about QOL or me latching onto the best job I ever had using up all my patience. It's straight up about the individuals coming, they're fucking addicted to being able to dispose of shit for free, they disgust me, I wish them harm. They're never going to change, they're never going to learn so they should put themselves out of commission as quickly as possible.




I'm at a point if I see a trailer parked somewhere (not at work) I get irrationally angry and start cursing the owner. It's like: stop acting important the fuck you need a trailer for stop breathing now.
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Post by: Iduno on March 11, 2022, 12:40:14 pm
From the day on I leave this job, I will allways antagonize parc visitors, anytime I pass in front I close the gates, if I'm going myself I'll park so that nobody getting past me, if I see somebody doing errors I'll insult them best I can, maybe I even get to fight somebody.


Fucking garbage junkies, allways the same stupid faces bringing 3 trailers in 2 weeks. Meanwhile normal fucking people come thrice a year and are done in 5 minutes.

It's not about QOL or me latching onto the best job I ever had using up all my patience. It's straight up about the individuals coming, they're fucking addicted to being able to dispose of shit for free, they disgust me, I wish them harm. They're never going to change, they're never going to learn so they should put themselves out of commission as quickly as possible.




I'm at a point if I see a trailer parked somewhere (not at work) I get irrationally angry and start cursing the owner. It's like: stop acting important the fuck you need a trailer for stop breathing now.

As with most jobs, it'd be better without the customers.
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Post by: dragdeler on March 11, 2022, 02:29:20 pm
Yeah. I should know better than to even post about it. It wouldn't count as work if it didn't suck somehow, and usually it's the customers. eeerhfmffff, if only they could be done one day. But even if one passes, well so the house full of shit is passed on... aaaah ^^
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Post by: dragdeler on March 22, 2022, 01:11:08 pm
If you still have the tab open you are indeed kind of powerful, if it's gone... Sheesh I cannot imagine falling from such heights, good luck chasing the dragon you just dug your grave.

I found myself in the middle of a interpersonal drama at work and somhehow laughing my way to the bank... This must end teeerribly one day but it's amusing when once in a while the curveballs life throws you involves pleasant things like colleagues bringing you retroconsoles to your doorstep and being caught inflagranti by the guy who has a beef with the gifter... I swear if I wasn't laughing uncontrollably I'd have actual reasons to construct a case for paranoia.

edit: So yesterday at 1am i was nodding off i decide to make myself ready for bed, pluck a few nosehairs that have been becoming tickling, suddenly get violently nauseous, i go ok stop i yield lets pee and go. While peeing I felt it come over me I tried to grip to something but then I fainted, woke up sat myself to finish peeing and fainted again. It was like when you faint while peeing drunk (never piss into river at 5am drunk, people have drowned before) except all I did was have stress and pluck a few nosehairs. I hit the back of my head and I bit my tongue, and my shoulder and my back hurt.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on April 02, 2022, 05:14:25 pm
I feel like new Reddit's useful because if I ever developed an addiction to the site, I could cure it by forcing myself to use the redesign.
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Post by: martinuzz on April 02, 2022, 05:19:47 pm
edit: So yesterday at 1am i was nodding off i decide to make myself ready for bed, pluck a few nosehairs that have been becoming tickling, suddenly get violently nauseous, i go ok stop i yield lets pee and go. While peeing I felt it come over me I tried to grip to something but then I fainted, woke up sat myself to finish peeing and fainted again. It was like when you faint while peeing drunk (never piss into river at 5am drunk, people have drowned before) except all I did was have stress and pluck a few nosehairs. I hit the back of my head and I bit my tongue, and my shoulder and my back hurt.
Go to a doctor and at least have your blood pressure checked.
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Post by: Naturegirl1999 on April 02, 2022, 05:45:05 pm
I feel like new Reddit's useful because if I ever developed an addiction to the site, I could cure it by forcing myself to use the redesign.
how do I get to r/place canvas via the app? I’m at the page but can’t find the link to the canvas
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on April 02, 2022, 07:53:38 pm
I’m not sure, I can’t get the app to check. I know the link is in the sidebar of the subreddit on browser, though.

Welcome back, by the way!
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Post by: EuchreJack on April 02, 2022, 09:38:01 pm
Not to brag or anything but I have won at "General Discussion"  (https://imgur.com/BLQuHvT)  8) 8) 8)
Sorry, I don't get it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on April 02, 2022, 10:30:35 pm
Not to brag or anything but I have won at "General Discussion"  (https://imgur.com/BLQuHvT)  8) 8) 8)
Sorry, I don't get it.
i don’t get it either, please explain
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on April 02, 2022, 11:13:39 pm
I like the Reddit redesign! hides behind the couch
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on April 03, 2022, 03:19:04 pm
Soft cushiony couch falls backwards onto Max, mildly inconveniencing her

"Good work agent 47, proceed to an exit"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on April 03, 2022, 03:30:11 pm
Oh I knew about that thing, didn’t realize it was a game


Also, the couch begins to grow a young plant
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on April 03, 2022, 06:01:55 pm
I know you're into nature and shit but you should really consider cleaning that couch
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: martinuzz on April 03, 2022, 06:31:17 pm
Couch potato
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on April 03, 2022, 10:31:29 pm
scampers out from under the couch and jumps out of the open window into a conveniently-placed pile of snow
(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/128/590x/secondary/Viral-picture-fox-head-stuck-snow-241021.jpg)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 13, 2022, 06:00:15 pm
There are many things you can do with bald head. Larp as Caesar. Paint blue arrow landing strip for Avatar. Polish to weaponised shine like Archimedes' mirror
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on April 14, 2022, 07:32:42 am
could this be dog?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on April 14, 2022, 11:20:20 am
You dumbass fox, you have fallen right into a trap.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
:o :o :o
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on April 14, 2022, 05:02:05 pm
could this be dog?
What's up duck? Looks like a fine dog
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on April 14, 2022, 05:08:50 pm
why is it always dog?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on April 14, 2022, 05:46:40 pm
now you're just inviting hole interjections

please no
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on April 14, 2022, 05:53:36 pm
you don't have the right.
all the more dog ahead.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on April 14, 2022, 06:04:08 pm
I feel ... something... because I know what those mean.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on April 14, 2022, 09:44:10 pm
Throughout my 15 years of adulthood people have kept thinking they were in love with me, and then reconsidering.

What do they see in me?
I would describe myself as a flake who hides from intimacy, outside of very few exceptions.

This is why normalization of queerness is so important.  Queer culture has provided all the words for the feelings I'm struggling with.  I can call on other people's experiences.

Perhaps I am demisexual and somewhat asexual.  It sure was nice to be one part of a polycule.
Metamour is a beautiful term.

Point is: I got another love confession, and it's someone who has very much impressed me.  They're even coming to town soon, and my response was "I felt really happy when you told me, and I would love for you to meet my mom".

Edit: That's not literal.  What I actually said was: "I'm really bad with that sort of thing too, but when I was talking to my mom a few days ago, I was excited to suggest that she might meet you when you're in town"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on April 14, 2022, 10:27:08 pm
The new-ish girl at work is some flavor of queer.  It's a bit at the point where I'm a bit afraid to ask specifically.  I don't seem to have any "radar" for this sort of thing, all LGBT types basically just look like people to me.

I like her a bit but I have some doubts she's into guys at all.  Wouldn't be all surprising, several lesbians in the past were randomly really friendly, straight women generally don't give me the time of day.

I honestly wonder if it actually occurs to people that they could have a relationship with me.  Like if you found a doughnut on the ground you wouldn't think of it as food.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on April 14, 2022, 10:55:02 pm
Then this text message arrives from my dad:
Quote
We are all hostages to what we love.  The only way to truly be free is to love nothing.  How meaningless would that be?
Chill as ever, I responded:
Quote
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.  I embrace life, and am a shield.

Docked points for consistency, and yet, I stand by it.  Ideally, I want to be protecting people.

Also this second week on hormones (second dose yesterday) is fantastic.  My brain is constantly berating me for not taking them sooner.

Better late than never, and apparently I'm weirdly lovely anyway.  I'm the same person just happier.  Unlocked!

Edit: He was drunkenly trying to confirm some plans.  We worked it out, in detail.
I am a shield-wall for my battle-friends.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on April 15, 2022, 07:05:06 am
I am a queer guy, and I live in the Middle East. Nobody knows. I told no one. Nor will I tell in the future. Too big of a risk, at least for now.

Even in Turkey, with all these pesky freshwater muslims who can't even own up to their rituals, let alone their hyper-agressive nature of their religion, and the countries secular foundation, the social stigma is far too big and pervasive. Reason? Islam.

Sure, no one will come to behead me like they do in south. And the state can't come after me either, even though they also won't help me in the slightest.

So I exist. I just do. As a small bundle of secrets.

Alone.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Scoops Novel on April 16, 2022, 04:49:17 am
Our gods aren't good enough, and The gods aren't good enough...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on April 16, 2022, 11:12:22 am
I am bi, and the only person IRL who knows is my GF and a few friends. Russia isn't exactly LGBT-friendly.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on April 17, 2022, 01:51:59 am
Our gods aren't good enough, and The gods aren't good enough...
We're gonna need a bigger god!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: martinuzz on April 17, 2022, 05:33:23 am
You must construct additional gods
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on April 17, 2022, 08:19:25 pm
But how?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on April 18, 2022, 02:11:24 am
I heard that there are some drugs you could take that let you find god.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: martinuzz on April 18, 2022, 02:51:14 am
Power... Overwhelming
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on April 18, 2022, 06:51:37 am
Guys I took two vitamin gummies at once and a bush near my house started to burn. So I went there. It's speaking real wack right now. What do I do?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on April 18, 2022, 07:05:26 am
Piss on the burning God to save it. It will be thankful I promise
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on April 18, 2022, 09:55:43 am
Heresy! The Burning God clearly wishes to be burning, pour some gasoline on them. The higher octane, the holier!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on April 18, 2022, 11:23:24 am
Heresy! The Burning God clearly wishes to be burning, pour some gasoline on them. The higher octane, the holier!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAagFKdsSNs
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ulfarr on April 18, 2022, 03:27:02 pm
Heresy! The Burning God clearly wishes to be burning, pour some gasoline on them. The higher octane, the holier!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAagFKdsSNs

Touché
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on April 18, 2022, 03:58:32 pm
16.99 and 20 USD flat, the two most common purchase price points in the library I work at, by, like... a wide margin. Today I learned this. It doesn't mean much, but it's interesting to see.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Scoops Novel on April 18, 2022, 05:45:27 pm
The problem with the modern day is that people are straight up spoiling the fun
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on April 27, 2022, 02:14:05 am
The problem with the modern day is that people are straight up spoiling the fun
Then go somewhere far from people so they can't ruin your fun.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on April 27, 2022, 09:09:27 am
You ever notice the free parking on the monopoly board isn't helpful at all for using the railroads?  Like you'd have to walk some 7 streets over to get to the station.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Scoops Novel on April 29, 2022, 09:47:51 am
Men... are hungry
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on April 29, 2022, 10:23:49 am
You ever notice the free parking on the monopoly board isn't helpful at all for using the railroads?  Like you'd have to walk some 7 streets over to get to the station.

That’s why it’s free.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on April 30, 2022, 01:19:46 am
Men... are hungry
Then give them a sandwich.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on April 30, 2022, 11:25:09 am
Normalize digging random holes in the ground for no reason

This. So much this.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on April 30, 2022, 11:58:04 am
It'd take some major changes to current infrastructure practices, sadly. Lot of the reason it's not normalized is that lots of places put stuff down there these days, and folks randomly digging around can cause... problems. Self-electrocution, busted pipes, broken phone lines, etc.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on April 30, 2022, 12:30:49 pm
It'd take some major changes to current infrastructure practices, sadly. Lot of the reason it's not normalized is that lots of places put stuff down there these days, and folks randomly digging around can cause... problems. Self-electrocution, busted pipes, broken phone lines, etc.

Thats what they want you to think! They can't take our right to dig random holes around! 
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on April 30, 2022, 01:17:18 pm
Refried beans is basically just bean gelatin
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on April 30, 2022, 04:59:07 pm
Refried beans is basically just bean gelatin

wat
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on April 30, 2022, 06:26:44 pm
I was looking at the cans of refried beans the cook was prepping earlier and its basically identical in final form, if not ingredients. Just usually served hot. That's it. It's a gelatinous wiggly glob made of beans
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on May 01, 2022, 03:46:58 am
It's a thick paste you could use it for tile grout.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 01, 2022, 07:11:16 am
probably short lived glory to they that pisses into the face of a tidal wave
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on May 01, 2022, 10:51:06 am
I think a lot of the "gelatin"-ness is because they're canned with some sort of oil which goo-ifies in a chilly room.  Though the thoroughly cooked beans are pretty gooey themselves.

I've been obsessed with the adjective "fantastic" lately.  I'm not sure how much of it is gender euphoria, and how much is from playing Caster of Magic where "fantastic" is a common unit type.  It just feels really nice to say.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 01, 2022, 10:54:31 am
fanta's tick is a horrifying thought, though

like, are the eggs carried in the fanta and they hatch inside you, or do you open it and a bunch of brightly colored ticks come rushing out, or what

how does the tick of fanta function
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on May 01, 2022, 12:23:49 pm
That's

Okay I don't know *exactly* how ticks work, but they don't work like that.
They're not the gross insects which inject embyroes, they're more like vampires. 

Though my parents tell stories-
And this is a bit gross-

He exaggerates, but I think there's a kernel of truth.  And that's awful.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 01, 2022, 12:30:34 pm
I mean, normal ticks don't work like that, sure. Who can say for fanta's ticks?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on May 01, 2022, 12:36:12 pm
I suppose Nazi-adjacent ticks are capable of rationalizing anything.

I just considered Nazi-adjacent bedbugs and it was too real.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 01, 2022, 12:43:12 pm
... y'know, it took me a minute to remember that bit of history.

Parasitic soda ticks is the kinda' wunderwaffen nonsense they'd get up to, though, innit...

i think nazi-adjacent bedbugs are just bedbugs, tho
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on May 01, 2022, 12:45:37 pm
I literally can't imagine bedbugs being any worse than they actually were, yeah.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MCreeper on May 01, 2022, 01:34:05 pm
Thought while dreaming of playing Battlefield 3 in my usual way (Trying to use knife whenever at all possible): "I should have made my nickname be Kurohebi (, Clumsy Assasin)." Looking at my stats, out of 1132 kiils 136 were done with knife and 40 with C4.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on May 01, 2022, 01:36:51 pm
Now that's a noife *looking at a handful of c4*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on May 02, 2022, 02:42:29 am
Stabbing people with explosives is my favorite way to stab people.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on May 02, 2022, 02:52:48 am
Barbed hand grade harpoon. Impossible to remove, 100% a war crime
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 02, 2022, 08:34:05 pm
Probably split atoms, I think. Stopping someone from setting off a nuke is pretty high up there on reasons to hurt someone...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 03, 2022, 03:34:43 am
What's the smallest thing you think you would be willing to hurt someone over?

For me it would be hurting my pets or knowingly destroying a piece of my garden without justification.
And not trying to take your drill away?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on May 03, 2022, 12:58:35 pm
What's the smallest thing you think you would be willing to hurt someone over?

For me it would be hurting my pets or knowingly destroying a piece of my garden without justification.

Oh yeah, definitely that. Coyotes killed several of our chickens last year. Never successfully hit one, but definitely shot at them several times and nearly caught one by hand. Threw rocks at the deer in the garden, which didn't ultimately save the garden. Going to have to eat some deer...
Legally, I could shoot and kill someone who attacked or tried to steal my livestock or horses (state law actually still says cattle rustling and horse thieving are hangable offenses, wild west shit out here why I never trespass on other people's property they could shoot me or I'd end up in jail. Nobody's actually recieved the death penalty from a court of law as far as I'm aware but plenty of people have been shot and killed by rednecks), not necessarily my garden though. And I would never actually do that, but I can absolutely demand they leave and call the cops just for trespassing, who'll show up 45 minutes or so later after showing up at the wrong properties first.

I'll start a fight over my animals though.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 03, 2022, 03:00:40 pm
I dunno if this actually fits here, but here it goes.

I wanna write a fantasy series based off of Internet itself. Not really like a story, but as a personal journal of a exploring scientist. The scientist, which is more akin to artificer scholar, uses a magical construct to temporarily summon creatures from a "strange, transcendant realm" that is not accessible to material beings. This realm is The Internet we have here. The realm the scientist is on has a lower "meta-level" than The Internet, both being below ours.

Like, the scientist can't get inside the internet himself since he is less real than it, and whatever he draws takes on a form of being appopriate for its "context" in its native realm and possess supernatural features. He can peer inside with the same construct, though. He essentially websurfs with his construct, though it is much more real to him than it is to us. All he sees will be more real than his own surroundings.

The format of the entries is that the scientists peering device either locks onto or is sometimes intercepted by an entity or entities flowing into his realm and into a temporary observatory. This is done by "pulling at the web", and moving a section of it into his realm; same logic as jumping and pulling something down by force. He then makes his observations before the web pulls itself back up and drags the alien entites back in the process.

What do you think? Can this be pulled off? Can I do this idea justice, if it is even a good idea at all?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on May 04, 2022, 01:33:04 pm
Only if he at least once accidentally pulls beings from porn sites. The internet is full of sluttery, afterall.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 05, 2022, 05:45:19 am
Only if he at least once accidentally pulls beings from porn sites. The internet is full of sluttery, afterall.

lol
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on May 05, 2022, 11:08:14 am
I'm connected with a fellow on Facebook after a random house party I ended up at, some local politician... And he just put out a post talking about our country's national service draft year, and how for many (including himself) it's "The best year of their lives" and a profound experience of growth and education, making us better people for the rest of our lives, and how it brings tears to his eyes to finally see that side of it properly represented (via some reality TV show that's been running recently).

And I just...

...I dunno. It just always weirds me out a bit when I hear how someone had such a totally different experience they had during their year, compared to my own. And it especially weirds me out when someone presents that happy shiny version as universal truth.


I'm not sure where I'm going with this. I didn't have a good time in the military, someone else feels it was one of the best things they've ever done and that everyone should experience it in order to be a better person, and I just needed to tell someone about how I was feeling. And I don't wanna start shit with him on Facebook, because that's probably not gonna do anyone any good.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 06, 2022, 04:15:02 am
I get so annoyed by these statements, f these people. Like in one school, one year they allways went to ride the bicycle  a week in france, I was told it was this super nice borderline life changing experience... I hated every second of it. Like, if singing scout songs all day, being told what to do and where to go all the time is this transcendental experience for you, I consider your head AND your heart hollow. Too easily impressed. If the point is that constraints can weld a group together, that experience can be had at any street corner and does not require stinkingly overbearing amounts of authority.


Also it has some of the qualities of new parents trying to push their misery onto others, when they empty-headedly and sleep-deprivedly keep repeating: you should have kids too.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on May 06, 2022, 08:32:53 am
LessWrong.

More like.

MoreWrong.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on May 06, 2022, 12:07:10 pm
Only if he at least once accidentally pulls beings from porn sites. The internet is full of sluttery, afterall.

Some of those ladies and gentlemen are kinda awesome.

More seriously, I have a fiction war story about the flame wars of the internet. Or at least the intro. Full on Vaporwave there
Probably call it Vapor Wars
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 06, 2022, 12:18:54 pm
Only if he at least once accidentally pulls beings from porn sites. The internet is full of sluttery, afterall.

Some of those ladies and gentlemen are kinda awesome.

More seriously, I have a fiction war story about the flame wars of the internet. Or at least the intro. Full on Vaporwave there
Probably call it Vapor Wars

Now that I think of it, a chapter about the scientist peering nto place in the middle of a flame war sounds so awsome.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on May 08, 2022, 10:20:20 pm
Happy V-E day, everyone. It's a shame that the Russian government is corrupting its legacy.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Scoops Novel on May 12, 2022, 10:55:27 am
Bored minds are Feisty furnaces
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MCreeper on May 15, 2022, 08:58:58 am
Thanks to some japanese bugger who google translated the lyrics (oh, he had no idea just how stupid they would end up being) and just slapped them all over the music video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB1e_0jkvE8), i now know how to succintly describe expirience of playing FE: Awakening - "Drowning in the clowning". Or, putting it in non-google translated way, merely "Knee-deep in the clowns".

Unfortunately, song is nothing special at all, and all the meat is in pictures. But it is very hard to enjoy them while making conscious effort to not look at the damned subtitles.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 16, 2022, 03:28:00 am
"Knee-deep in the clowns".

me when tw*tter
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on May 16, 2022, 10:35:28 am
I think "drowning in the clowning" is definitely a keeper for me, yes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 03, 2022, 01:22:13 pm
If the economy functionned just a little as advertised, inflation would decrease the wealth gap. If it wasn't a giant scam, people who live paycheck to paycheck would stand to benefit from inflation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on June 03, 2022, 01:45:01 pm
If the economy functionned just a little as advertised, inflation would decrease the wealth gap. If it wasn't a giant scam, people who live paycheck to paycheck would stand to benefit from inflation.
Would you mind giving an example with numbers so I can understand how this could be?
From my perspective:
Person making 100 urists/day now pays 50 urists for what once was only 25 urists.  This is 50% of their daily income, once was 25%.
Person making 900 urists/day now pays 50 urists for what once was only 25 urists.  This is 5.6% of their daily income, once was 2.8%.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on June 03, 2022, 01:52:32 pm
Wages are constantly changing, so (until very recently) it's normal to have "cost of living" raises and accompanying increases in minimal wage.

Whereas large amounts of cash savings would depreciate.  Of course, the idle rich keep extremely little cash, as they constantly borrow massive amounts of money to take more assets away from everyone else.  Then they own those assets which have real value, and pay back the loans with the increasingly worthless money.

So turns out the rich have it figured out, as usual, unless they're using the mattress as a bank.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 03, 2022, 02:01:09 pm
Think about mmorpg economies, worlds designed to ressemble ours, yet lacking a lot of it's complexities.

In there everybody has the same opportunity and competes under the same rules. Now actual economic theory says that inflation devalues savings, admittedly in an mmorpg it's not 100% the case (since there exists no real scarcity in virtual worlds)... But in such a virtual world where money is created through "labor" and not by creating it out of thin air in exchange for debt, if savings are devalued by an overabundance of money, the newbs are necessarily those who benefit: they are the ones creating all the new money.




It's a clunky example. So here is how I actually got the thought: from time to time I see some lotto advertisement telling the current jackpot and I start playing around with numbers in my head... Can there ever be some form of absolute financial security? Let's assume I spend X on this many stocks, I overspend a little buying high, they pay out less dividends than was historically the case, and then hyperinflation hits and the money is suddenly worth a thousand times less... Could you still live from the dividends?

Anyway playing around with numbers in my head at some point I went: oof that's the equivalent of 30 bucks a year, you could probably earn that in one day by begging, I bet if somebody like me invested that's how it would go... And how confident I am that in such a scenario the actual rich class would probably find a way to still come out on top.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on June 10, 2022, 09:15:02 am
romcom shenanigans are better when there's giant robots involved
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on June 12, 2022, 05:37:11 pm
Sausages are ground foodstuffs stuffed into an animals intestines. Animals intestines are already full of ground foodstuffs. You are full of thousands of feet of sausage. It's all shit sausage. You're full of poo.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on June 14, 2022, 04:41:05 am
You are what you eat!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on June 15, 2022, 03:32:51 am
But what if they've been eating the poor?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on June 15, 2022, 04:38:09 am
What about their legs?  They don't need those.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on June 15, 2022, 06:08:36 am
But what if they've been eating the poor?

Trickle-up gastronomics.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on June 15, 2022, 06:54:22 am
... y'know, if you mispronounce your username as koogas, that makes you bird farts.

I have just realized this, and it's definitely thread relevant.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on June 15, 2022, 08:55:47 am
... y'know, if you mispronounce your username as koogas, that makes you bird farts.

I have just realized this, and it's definitely thread relevant.

Considering I learned that my name (long after I'd already picked it) also happens to be the plural form of the bird species known as the "Kagu", that's highly appropriate and relevant.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on June 15, 2022, 02:25:02 pm
Have sex
why
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on June 15, 2022, 06:23:07 pm
Have sex
sir or madam please step away from the goat
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on June 16, 2022, 03:23:24 am
Is that one of those things where you have to pick the first thing you see or are touching, because if it is I don't like ether option.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on June 17, 2022, 08:29:05 pm
For what it's worth, it only matters so much (mostly in regards to mitigation) whether there's physical neurological divergence or just personal inclination or behavioral habitation or whatever. The designation has to do with maladapation to normal societal functioning and/or personal well being and cares more about expressed behavior than the specific cause of it.

If the whatever-it-is is causing problems, it's enough to count and existence otherwise is a secondary concern, at best.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 17, 2022, 08:30:38 pm
we disfunction in a society

(bottom text)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on June 18, 2022, 01:26:06 pm
it's not us, it's society that is dysfunctional
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on June 27, 2022, 08:37:09 am
My favourite part of The Book of Mormon was when that angel said:


Í̸̮̥̀̔͐͂͘T̵̢̛͉̱̬̹̈́̍͗͆'̴̢̡̭͑͝S̸̥̻͖̦̠̲̑͝ ̸̢̰̠͋̓̾͝M̴̙̖̹͎͖̏͋̄͌͝ͅO̸͖͓̫͍̹̔͂͊̕R̵̡̮͙̫̖̩̫̅͆̀̃̾̃͝M̶̝͖̋͆͜ͅÌ̴̜̪̰̪͐͑́͐̕N̶̞͔̹͌͗ ̷͈̠̦͊̓͒̌T̷̢̡͖̤̬̳͐̄͒̔̌Į̵̡͔͇͌͂̃͛́̓̈́M̶͕̟̗̞̃̑̔̈́̉͐͝E̵̥͆̓̋͐̈́!̴̛̖͚̮̄̉͂̋̓̇!̷̫̰̥̯͓͆͗͘!̴̪͖̼͔̝̣͑̀͜!̷̻͓̲̖̊̇̾͜͝



Then mormed everywhere.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: None on June 27, 2022, 10:18:22 am
well that's not coo at all

mind you the 'poison' in food poisoning
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 27, 2022, 10:43:34 am
well that's not coo at all

Of course not, this is.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on June 28, 2022, 03:07:14 am
The food poisoning adds flavor!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 28, 2022, 05:25:47 am
In the Solvay conference photo everyone in the first row sits prim and proper, with their legs crossed or sideways. With the exception of Einstein, who does a full-on spreadie to the camera like a true Chad, and Planck, who was sat next to Ms Curie, and tries to hide an erection with his hat.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on June 28, 2022, 05:00:38 pm
In the Solvay conference photo everyone in the first row sits prim and proper, with their legs crossed or sideways. With the exception of Einstein, who does a full-on spreadie to the camera like a true Chad, and Planck, who was sat next to Ms Curie, and tries to hide an erection with his hat.

Curie was just asking for Planck's number, so he thought he had a chance to show her his length.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 28, 2022, 05:06:08 pm
Back then, his phone number was probably something like 8.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on June 28, 2022, 10:26:07 pm
That is the face of a man who knows his, um... eigenvalue.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on June 29, 2022, 02:31:39 am
Well, he thought she was constantly... glowing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on June 29, 2022, 05:30:44 pm
And Americans think they're tough... (https://www.today.com/today/amp/rcna35001)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on June 29, 2022, 09:02:25 pm
Fighting a bald eagle in your underwear with a baby latched onto your breast. Honestly, this is something I'd expect to see in dwarf fortress.

Especially the part where you have an infant in immediate danger because mom chose to get involved with a fight with a dangerous wild animal and didn't set the kid down first.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on June 29, 2022, 10:06:56 pm
And it was to save her pet goose.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on June 30, 2022, 02:22:09 am
Sounds like Dwarf Fortress is starting to leak into real life, not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on June 30, 2022, 08:55:09 am
I am typing this from Kazakhstan. Visiting my grandparents there.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on June 30, 2022, 09:56:47 am
Once in DND our group was hunting down a gnomish necromancer and we came across some undead skeletons who were sorta milling around in an abandoned lair.  The weird thing is that they were intelligent and nonhostile.  They seemed aware that they were skeletons, but didn't seem to care, just sorta enjoying their mundane unlives.  That particular DM loved using obscure undead and was particularly fond of intelligent undead civilization, so the weirdest part was that it was *skeletons*.

We chatted awkwardly for a little bit, got a vague lead, and left them in peace.

Many years later now, I just realized...  If I was a gnome necromancer and knew I was being followed, I could set up an auditory illusion (probably through a scry) and prank the *shit* out of some very gullible heroes.

...Was that the lead that led us to the boneyard encounter??  AAAGH GNOMES
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on June 30, 2022, 10:16:00 am
But did you rattle their bones?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 04, 2022, 05:03:32 am
Like, I was watching a chocolate ad, right? And you know how they are. Sexy young woman eats the chocolate sensually, a loud, disgusting crunch comes out for some reason. At least this is how it was for me.

Look, I like woman. Alot. But how come it is only woman who eats the chocolate? Why not a sexy young man eating the chocolate for once? I mean, the narrator is a man, why not the actor?

Why can't it be a man? I want my variety! Where is my 10-second-husbando?!

ANSWER YOU CAPITALISTIC COWARDS!!!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 04, 2022, 10:31:08 am
It's because of the weight of the chocolate everybody knows that! From 600g/l onwards you get masculine mascots, just ask the coca cola man, the one with the t-shirt or the the one with the white beard, depending on your kinks.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on July 04, 2022, 10:39:55 am
Where is my 10-second-husbando?!

ANSWER YOU CAPITALISTIC COWARDS!!!
Anyways here's PEPSI MAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Pepsiman_%28PS1%29_cover_art.jpg)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on July 04, 2022, 11:04:08 am
I heard from a video that Pepsi created a video game at some point

Looking this up, it was called Pepsiman and is where the image above was found
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on July 04, 2022, 02:25:27 pm
Why can't it be a man? I want my variety!

You must have missed this one: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/cadburys-advert-same-sex-kissing-b1784271.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/cadburys-advert-same-sex-kissing-b1784271.html)

(Enjoy the ad but ffs don't eat that sad excuse for chocolate.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on July 04, 2022, 05:21:44 pm
People bake them into brownies??
Other than that, cute bit of rainbow capitalism, it is nice to see :)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 04, 2022, 05:36:10 pm
Why can't it be a man? I want my variety!

You must have missed this one: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/cadburys-advert-same-sex-kissing-b1784271.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/cadburys-advert-same-sex-kissing-b1784271.html)

(Enjoy the ad but ffs don't eat that sad excuse for chocolate.)

I haven't "missed" it, more like, couldn't see it.

It's just that Turkey is not a place where such an add can be broadcasted on TV.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: feelotraveller on July 05, 2022, 01:31:32 am
Oh, I wasn't judging/accusing you.  More like saying here's one you haven't seen.

(Restrains oneself from commenting on the Turkish government.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 06, 2022, 11:49:44 am
I hate The Illuminati.

I mean, not the thing itself, because it doesn't exists. But the idea of it and how dumb it is.

So, you are telling me that a secret organisation/cabal/club/council/what-have-you controls the world in almost complete secrecy, calls the shots, and is preparing to emerge from the shadows, dropping hints all around for no goddamn reason, and somehow manages to actually control an entire planet of endlessly bickering nations, while not having any actual self-presence in it.

For real?

Yeah, that is not how any of this works. World is BIG. People may be seen as pawns. But they are not actual pawns, Countries have their own agendas, and also have something arguably more powerful than money; big guns.

But let's skip over how logically impossible Illuminati is. My hatred comes from how people describe its alleged intentions with EVERY FUCKING AFFILIATION ON GAIA'S GREEN EARTH!!!

Muslims say the elites are Jewish. Christians say they are Satanists. Left says right, right says left. Any nationality says they are the nation they hate the most. Capitalists say they are communists. [INSERT_THING_HERE]phobes say that they are what they hate. The list goes on.

In the end, we have something that is so nebulous that it might as well not be. Furthermore, no one can come up with an agenda for this organisation. A reason to be.

Power? An organisation cannot be built in power only, it'll collapse when all the members try to get to the top, which is the first 5 seconds. Money? That they are all multi-billionaries? The number aspect of their richness have become meaningless already. Besides, all multi-billionaries are all sociopathic psyhcopaths. You can't get there without playing incredibly foul. The entire thing will evolve into a power struggle between soome old, clammy, entitled narcisissts anyways.

I am just tired of it. And don't even get me started on the whole thing with "The Deep State". We ready have one folks, we don't need a second one of these. And its smaller too. Like a baby.

...

Anyways, I think I am cute today.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on July 06, 2022, 01:37:47 pm
Blaming The Other has been a solid strategy for a long, long time.
I think the Illuminati comes about from not realizing that is a cop out to avoid blame or introspection.
If you believe The Other is responsible for all of society's ills, but also realize it is many various groups, you eventually get to the Illuminati.

Ironically, the actual  Illuminati  (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati) we're created to oppose that sort of shit thinking, and we're were persecuted by governments and groups that very much wanted to blame people's problems on some other group, rather than admit maybe their way of doing things was stupid.

EDIT: Shit, my cover is blown!  ;D
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on July 06, 2022, 01:50:18 pm
Wow, two cute things in one day!  :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 06, 2022, 05:27:43 pm
Wow, two cute things in one day!  :P

owo

please dont kill me
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on July 06, 2022, 05:28:58 pm
uwu
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 06, 2022, 05:55:48 pm
Me and the workers caught a rat inside a bottle while working on a roof because we were bored, one wanted to kill it but I refused, because I already named him

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Can I keep him?
Can I keep him?
Can I keep him?
Probably you can keep him? Rats make remarkably good pets, from what I understand. Talk to a vet or other rat owner, find out what you'd need to do to take good care of them, adopt squeakyfriend
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on July 07, 2022, 06:32:23 am
What's the name?!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on July 07, 2022, 07:54:09 am
It's for the best, unless the cutey was only a few days old.  Animals that grow up wild don't make happy pets.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on July 07, 2022, 11:03:48 am
Get your motor running
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on July 07, 2022, 12:00:38 pm
Head out on the highway
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MCreeper on July 08, 2022, 02:14:46 pm
1. I have taken a liking to an image of old wizard, who is exeedingly certain and proud of his knowledge, whether it is real or not, and has a respectable air at that, instead of coming off as your ordinary old cuckoo. Claude Frollo. Georgiy Kain. Kinzo Ushiromiya, of all things to draw from.  ::)
2. Rewatching Little Goody Two Shoes tailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMu_4KTVyQ) for tenth time, and it just now occured to me: now that's some poor village girl, walking all around in a fancy dress and with gemstone necklace on. Perhaps it is a fake gemstone, that's why she is poor.  :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 08, 2022, 05:59:43 pm
Novel is like a pokemon. More they open threads, more experience they get. They level up with that experience. And if they level up enough, they evolve.

It already happened once. They turned from just "Novel" to a fancier "Scoops Novel". And that was after a substantial increase in their number of opened threads.

So I theorise that after a few more threads, they will evolve into something more powerful. Maybe even something with a profile picture.

How about Ultra-Novel?

Or Novelotron?

Or Novel Ultima?

Or maybe OneOfAKind?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on July 09, 2022, 01:28:02 am
It already happened once. They turned from just "Novel" to a fancier "Scoops Novel". And that was after a substantial increase in their number of opened threads.
Your forgetting about his starting form of Novel Scoops.

What about UBERNOVEL?


But his next form won't be his final form!


Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on July 09, 2022, 04:47:22 am
Novel: Double Scoop
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 09, 2022, 05:04:53 am
Once his presence becomes too blinding you can tell he's at the end of his life cycle, turning into a scoople nova.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 09, 2022, 05:35:42 am
Novella
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on July 09, 2022, 06:17:40 am
Novel Scoops had a very different name which was unrelated to Novel, and to Scoops, way back when.

I don't remember what it was but I know that we DMed about it when the change happened. Kind of intriguing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on July 09, 2022, 06:32:57 am
All these threads make it more difficult to find the threads in which I'm interested.  Signal to noise is dropping too fast :(
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 09, 2022, 07:05:59 am
Novel Scoops had a very different name which was unrelated to Novel, and to Scoops, way back when.

I don't remember what it was but I know that we DMed about it when the change happened. Kind of intriguing.
It must have been a different account, back then? Because looking at their posts (quotes retain the name at the moment of quoting), it looks like it was Novel ten years ago when they registered. Quickly changing to Novel Scoops, and staying that way until this recent bonanza of shitposting.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on July 09, 2022, 08:24:42 am
Yeah, Novel Scoops to Novel to Scoops Novel I think was all within a month. Or at least, felt that way.

Edit: I should point out - this refers to the most recent changes. Vecs been around much longer than me I think.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on July 09, 2022, 08:44:19 am
I have a little half-serious conspiracy theory that (Scoops) Novel (Scoops) is a GPT-3 chatbot someone unleashed on this forum as an experiment.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on July 09, 2022, 12:03:05 pm
I've been wondering the same tbh
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on July 10, 2022, 02:27:53 am
Oh god imagine a future where all AI are Novel Scoops based, we be doomed to a world of vague questions and answers.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 10, 2022, 10:56:24 am
Yall ever notice how meteors seem to always strike near, but never quite on, gift shops?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 10, 2022, 10:57:51 am
I thought they were attracted to craters?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on July 11, 2022, 03:35:32 am
I ordered asian seafood takeout like ten years ago when I was briefly renting from that awful place, and I discovered that seafood leftovers need to be refrigerated.

But it tasted real good though and I kinda want it again, randomly.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on July 11, 2022, 07:43:44 am
I'm back from my trip to Kazakhstan. It was pretty cool, I climbed some mountains and visited my grandparents and uncle and aunt.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 11, 2022, 07:53:21 am
I can't help but read that in Borat's voice.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 11, 2022, 09:45:10 am
Very nice ;]
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on July 11, 2022, 07:35:52 pm
wholesome less racially caricatured and unrapey borat arc
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eschar on July 15, 2022, 12:05:27 am
Novel Scoops had a very different name which was unrelated to Novel, and to Scoops, way back when.

I don't remember what it was but I know that we DMed about it when the change happened. Kind of intriguing.
It must have been a different account, back then? Because looking at their posts (quotes retain the name at the moment of quoting), it looks like it was Novel ten years ago when they registered. Quickly changing to Novel Scoops, and staying that way until this recent bonanza of shitposting.

You can change your bay12 username???
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on July 15, 2022, 12:27:39 am
Only the Great Scoops can.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on July 15, 2022, 12:34:45 am
Novel Scoops had a very different name which was unrelated to Novel, and to Scoops, way back when.

I don't remember what it was but I know that we DMed about it when the change happened. Kind of intriguing.
It must have been a different account, back then? Because looking at their posts (quotes retain the name at the moment of quoting), it looks like it was Novel ten years ago when they registered. Quickly changing to Novel Scoops, and staying that way until this recent bonanza of shitposting.

You can change your bay12 username???
You need to ask Toady.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 15, 2022, 12:44:12 pm
A sitcom about two roomate asteroids, one is a couchpotato and kind of wimp, the other is a gymbro and somewhat irracible: Hemorrhoid and Steroid.


*barely audible through the crowds cheers*

"No need to thank me world"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on July 15, 2022, 02:02:21 pm
What's the age delta at which you start referring to others as "that lady" or "that man" instead of "that girl" or "that boy".  As in you see someone driving, do you say "that lady driving the car" versus "that girl driving the car."

I think the delta changes with age; if you're in your 10s anyone 10 years or older is "lady/man", in the 20s, everyone up to your age +5 is probably "boy/girl", but once you hit 30s and higher, anyone your age -5 is "lady/man"?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on July 15, 2022, 05:38:49 pm
To be crushed under the weight of a thousand citrus fruit...it would be truly...sublime.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on July 15, 2022, 06:03:14 pm
Jesus christ
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on July 15, 2022, 06:27:10 pm
I love that one hehe

Random thought:  leveling athletics in Morrowind is especially dull.  It might be fun to convert my gym workouts into an amount and cheat in that amount of points.
But if I have to lift weights to train weapon skills I will literally die (in Morrowind) (yes I could abuse enchanting to win fights, but I'm trying to get perfect level-ups!!)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on July 15, 2022, 07:38:24 pm
No, you need to attend martial arts sessions to level weapon skills.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Iduno on July 15, 2022, 08:33:29 pm
Why play the game normally when you can just abuse alchemy?

That *is* how people normally play. In Daggerfall, it was magic items and/or spells.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 15, 2022, 09:14:34 pm
You could use int potion stacking to boost your enchant ability, though enchanting outside of an enchanting vendor is a pain.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on July 16, 2022, 02:48:02 am
In Oblivion launching oneself across the map with +500 athletics and acrobatics was great fun. The game would absolutely crash because it couldnt load/unload cells fast enough though. Nothing quite beats that soaring through the skies, leaving mudcrabs behind in the dust.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on July 25, 2022, 08:33:21 am
To be crushed under the weight of a thousand citrus fruit...it would be truly...sublime.

Top-tier
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on July 25, 2022, 11:14:33 am
Guy who calls the outside of his bedroom "the Enclosure".
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on July 25, 2022, 11:39:07 am
Enclosure who calls the bedroom of his guy "The Outside"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on July 27, 2022, 02:10:04 am
A Streetcar named desire Enclosure
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MonkeyHead on July 27, 2022, 02:21:00 pm
The average solipsist is probably 7 years old

Thats just what they want you to think.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MonkeyHead on July 27, 2022, 04:55:22 pm
The average solipsist is probably 7 years old

Thats just what they want you to think.
I'm not real, you are!

I think you think, therefore you think I am.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on July 27, 2022, 05:53:52 pm
The average solipsist is probably 7 years old

I'd put the average age lower than that, there are a lot of short lived nonsocial creatures on this planet.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on July 30, 2022, 08:17:37 pm
When I'm making a sandwich with 1 other person, I'll cut up a tomato and put half on my sandwich, with the other half for the other person.
When I'm making a sandwich by myself, I cut up a tomato and put half on my sandwich and then eat the other half.

Either way, a tomato disappears.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on July 30, 2022, 09:18:19 pm
that moment when you round up to the nearest integer
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 30, 2022, 10:52:55 pm
and then round down to the nearest half!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 31, 2022, 09:28:27 am
it is one of the old problems with prophecy and whatnot -- somewhere out there all the nonsense being babbled has probably already happened to an antbed

so, like, maybe it was all true but it turned out the prophet or whatever was actually talking about ants and everyone involved just got confused and thought their message was about humans
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on July 31, 2022, 06:09:20 pm
So that's what Revelations was getting at.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 31, 2022, 07:20:00 pm
suddenly i wonder what sort of sound a dong shaped gong would make

and, like

do you make it flat

or can you make a 3d donggong?

is it still a gong when it's an oddly shaped cylinder?

also like

when you're making it, do you make two to bang together or do you separate out the bait and the tackle and percuss with those

i have many questions on vulgar instrumentation now
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on July 31, 2022, 07:41:51 pm
I think it would count as a bell at that point. You could make a vulva shaped "gong" to smack it into.

Could have clacker balls too though!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 01, 2022, 02:33:07 am
What about a singing bowl shaped like a vagina?


I wonder what it would sound like if you tried to play the singing vagina bowl with the donggong?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on August 01, 2022, 10:45:51 am
I wonder what it would sound like if you tried to play the singing vagina bowl with the donggong?
All we know is that it summons the police who then try to enforce something they call 'public decency'
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 01, 2022, 08:07:27 pm
So the part where Herod, King of Judea orders all infants in Bethlehem killed, that was an early commentary on natural selection among insect populations?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 01, 2022, 08:21:18 pm
Coulda' been! There's a few species of insect that preferentially kill the younger of other species, iircs, so, like. Someone getting a vision of a group of beings slaughtering the children of a population could totally be looking at an ant (or whatever) invasion and just... getting things very, very wrong when they say it's about humans.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 02, 2022, 02:59:57 am
Wonder what the bible would be like if everyone in it was bugs instead, and would people care as much about it if it was?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 02, 2022, 03:14:32 am
Aesop's Fables were a pretty big deal
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on August 02, 2022, 05:07:56 am
Wonder what the bible would be like if everyone in it was bugs instead, and would people care as much about it if it was?
Almost certainly not. People are in religion for what they get out of it - feelings, community, material promises - even if they have genuine faith.

Take away the incentive and leave bare truth and people simply wouldn't care about it. Religion needs a human narrative promising human rewards. The Bible (Flyble?  :P) would become a curiosity for entomologists, nothing more.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on August 02, 2022, 07:29:03 am
The Flyble is God Woven! Passed to us through his prophets, like Mothses and Cicabraham and through his only begotten spawn: Fleasus.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 02, 2022, 07:36:39 am
If the Bible were for bugs, it'd mean bugs are (the one and only correct) God's chosen people. They would rule the Earth and all the animals on it. Formiciform forumites would ponder what the Bible would be like if it were for apes instead, and whether ants would care.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on August 02, 2022, 07:53:18 am
Let us not forget that in claiming the Promised Land, the Israelites cleared it of the Nephilim - a race of giant humanoids. But giant from whose perspective?!

How many humans were felled by the appendages of creepy crawlies?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on August 02, 2022, 07:59:13 am
Angel descriptions actually make more sense if you're looking at something with compound eyes from your own compound eyes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 02, 2022, 08:04:19 am
If the Bible were for bugs, it'd mean bugs are (the one and only correct) God's chosen people. They would rule the Earth and all the animals on it. Formiciform forumites would ponder what the Bible would be like if it were for apes instead, and whether ants would care.
I mean... you're aware of which side of that comparison has the biomass advantage, yeah? What feasts on the flesh of even more things than humans do, and in greater quantities? Ants don't need forums or theology to rule this world to their pleasure :P

'Course, going that route you can go even further; by mass bacteria and whatnot rule this planet functionally unopposed. Even us humans are nothing more than feeding grounds for them. You can say they don't have great philosophies and such, but they clearly have no need for them, so...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on August 02, 2022, 08:07:26 am
Blessed are the bugs, for they will inherit the Earth
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on August 02, 2022, 09:07:00 am
If the Bible were for bugs, it'd mean bugs are (the one and only correct) God's chosen people. They would rule the Earth and all the animals on it. Formiciform forumites would ponder what the Bible would be like if it were for apes instead, and whether ants would care.
I mean... you're aware of which side of that comparison has the biomass advantage, yeah? What feasts on the flesh of even more things than humans do, and in greater quantities? Ants don't need forums or theology to rule this world to their pleasure :P

'Course, going that route you can go even further; by mass bacteria and whatnot rule this planet functionally unopposed. Even us humans are nothing more than feeding grounds for them. You can say they don't have great philosophies and such, but they clearly have no need for them, so...
Their philosophy is singular: Consume
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 02, 2022, 09:11:17 am
Plus they fit through a needle's eye (bronze age size) so imagine all work they spare at heavens burocracy. A bit like you need this tall to ride this ride.

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Their philosophy is singular: Consume

So they're people jjst like us?







edit: imagine spending your life on the scripture just to show up at heavens gate, be showered by petrus with some pheromones and he just looks at you dumbfounded for the rest of eternity waiting for an answer
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 02, 2022, 09:48:19 am
Oh, heavens! All the carcass you'll ever want, and everyone gets to be the queen. And if you're a parasitoid wasp, you get 72 virginal larvae to lay your eggs in, and they never die while they're eaten from the inside.
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Post by: dragdeler on August 02, 2022, 10:05:30 am
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virginal larvae

Those goddamn slutty nymphs!
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Post by: Rolan7 on August 02, 2022, 03:35:51 pm
If the Bible were for bugs, it'd mean bugs are (the one and only correct) God's chosen people. They would rule the Earth and all the animals on it. Formiciform forumites would ponder what the Bible would be like if it were for apes instead, and whether ants would care.
I mean... you're aware of which side of that comparison has the biomass advantage, yeah? What feasts on the flesh of even more things than humans do, and in greater quantities? Ants don't need forums or theology to rule this world to their pleasure :P

'Course, going that route you can go even further; by mass bacteria and whatnot rule this planet functionally unopposed. Even us humans are nothing more than feeding grounds for them. You can say they don't have great philosophies and such, but they clearly have no need for them, so...
Their philosophy is singular: Consume
There's a Shadowrun Returns module with this general idea, using humans (shamans?) as pawns.  Spoopy stuff.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 02, 2022, 04:00:36 pm
Insect shamans are super bad juju in shadowrun, yeah. They're inevitably insane and usually some variety of turbohostile to intelligent life in particular, iirc. It shows up in some of the novels, too... want to say even some of the older games.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 03, 2022, 01:44:58 am
I wonder what people would do if they realized that the chirping bugs outside their house were profits of Bug God trying to save their souls?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on August 03, 2022, 07:18:35 am
If they thought there was profit in them, probably proceed to exploit them ruthlessly.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on August 03, 2022, 08:03:44 am
I wonder what people would do if they realized that the chirping bugs outside their house were profits of Bug God trying to save their souls?

I'd stop finding them soothing and start getting a boot.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on August 03, 2022, 10:05:06 am
What profits a bug if it gains access to the house, lest it be a prophet itself?
For surely death awaits all bugkind that enter the domiciles of the titans.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 03, 2022, 12:59:56 pm
You jest, hopefully. Even well poisoned and constructed buildings are generally quite infested by all sorts of bugs. If they're not inside rooms, they're inside walls and the ceiling, under the floor, in and around the piping, on the roof, etc. Death awaits some of them, but for most it is a comfortable land, indeed.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 03, 2022, 01:01:59 pm
Don't forget the bugs that live on humans.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on August 03, 2022, 01:27:47 pm
Don't forget the bugs that live on humans.
Mite be cool
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 03, 2022, 07:06:33 pm
I don't have it on hand but I'm pretty sure the perfect answer was spoken in mid atlantic accent and somewhat upbeat about the potential of science.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on August 03, 2022, 07:10:27 pm
With enough Southern accent:  We're mites living off of our gut foru.
(Which is symbiotic, as opposed to our infamously parasitic relationship with our mitochondria (Parasite Eve (tm)))
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 04, 2022, 01:03:46 am
But if forumites are actually mites, what do they live on?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on August 04, 2022, 01:04:14 am
The flesh of the world
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 04, 2022, 09:54:27 am
More like its dead skin flakes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 05, 2022, 08:19:14 am
"Titanium" is such a bobo sales argument... Rare are the cases a good steel can't do what titanium does. And everytime I see titanium on a consumer product that's not going to be implanted into a body or something, it's just a metal object... I can't help but be reminded of an acquaintance... The dude could be browsing something out of boredom the second he stumbles across one in the list with titanium the value proposition shoots up 69000% in his head, and he starts religiously hailing that brand as a beacon of quality.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on August 05, 2022, 10:31:04 am
Nothing clears my head like a few hours of cutting up fallen trees into firewood and hauling loads of them back to the woodpile on my tractor, even in hot, humid weather.  Followed of course by a nice shower to wash the poison ivy oils off my arms before it sets in.  The song "Complicated" by Avril Lavigne running through my head (aimed at myself).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 05, 2022, 11:17:24 am
"Titanium" is such a bobo sales argument... Rare are the cases a good steel can't do what titanium does. And everytime I see titanium on a consumer product that's not going to be implanted into a body or something, it's just a metal object... I can't help but be reminded of an acquaintance... The dude could be browsing something out of boredom the second he stumbles across one in the list with titanium the value proposition shoots up 69000% in his head, and he starts religiously hailing that brand as a beacon of quality.
Good steel can't bend like titanium stuff does, 'least in my experience, though there's probably similar bendy metals that works just as well.

... not sure what it's good for besides glasses frames, but at least from what I've encountered it's genuinely significantly better for those than even good steel (and a metric fuckton better than anything not-metal), with a price difference that's not actually that much. Doubled or less price point for something that lasts 10x longer is generally a good deal if you can afford the upfront cost :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 05, 2022, 11:50:54 am
Mechanical properties of some fancier steel alloys, at almost half the density, is nothing to sneer at. If you're making something that cares about weight more than price.
But if one's buying titanium jewellery/gadgets at some crazy markup because they're high on technobabble, that's probably not a terribly level-headed person.

Btw, I dislike the word beacon. It looks wrong, it sounds wrong. It feels wrong. Whenever I see it, I mentally replace it with bacon.
The bacon of quality. The best kind. (the shining bacon I would probably stay away from, though)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 05, 2022, 12:49:33 pm
We're talking about things I can't describe other than lifestyle objects and gadgets. IDK like fancy boxes and hulls, stuff with metal finish that doesn't actually need metal, smoking accessories, and overpriced all in one camping tools, and that sort of stuff he's all crazy about.


Window frames like the part around the glass that's gets anchored into the pvc? I'm pretty sure that's aluminium
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on August 05, 2022, 01:25:56 pm
Titanium-style frames for bicycles are pretty sweet.  It combines the lightness of rigid aluminum with the natural shock absorption of heavy steel.  My dad's titanium mountain bike had a high upfront cost, but he made good use of it while he could.  The frame is still in perfect condition because it doesn't rust at all.  It's like aluminum that way, except that aluminum is ruined if any impact overcomes its rigidity.  Titanium and steel bounce back.

Maybe I should get back into off-road cycling.  That beautiful bike is wasted in his garage since he lost his leg.  I don't have to go straight back into half pipes and bunny hops, it'd be like my nature walks but covering a lot more distance.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 05, 2022, 01:45:45 pm
In sports equipment titanium shocks me less. One thing I don't know about it, are all titaniums equal? I was able to find out there are different types, but can you have shoddy and good batches, or does that idea relate more to messing up some sort of fancy steel? Like I can't imagine copper and zinc (zinc right?^^) alloys, so bronze and it's cousins are much subject to such quality differences, seems to me there you'd only get cheated out of right mixture proportions if that's profitable, but that the end product is bound to be very similar as long as you mixed similar proportions. Yeah but titanium on the other hand seems to be more complex on a metallurgical level, so isn't it bound to greater quality variations?

I don't know much about metalurgy but I allways found it fascinating. It's one of the parts I really enjoyed discovering alongside DF.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 05, 2022, 04:29:08 pm
In sports equipment titanium shocks me less. One thing I don't know about it, are all titaniums equal? I was able to find out there are different types, but can you have shoddy and good batches, or does that idea relate more to messing up some sort of fancy steel? Like I can't imagine copper and zinc (zinc right?^^) alloys, so bronze and it's cousins are much subject to such quality differences, seems to me there you'd only get cheated out of right mixture proportions if that's profitable, but that the end product is bound to be very similar as long as you mixed similar proportions. Yeah but titanium on the other hand seems to be more complex on a metallurgical level, so isn't it bound to greater quality variations?

I don't know much about metalurgy but I allways found it fascinating. It's one of the parts I really enjoyed discovering alongside DF.

copper + zinc = brass, so they do alloy.

There are various alloys of titanium, in particular with steel, copper, vanadium and molybdenum. The one used in the SR-71 Blackbird was made to be less hard so it could be machined more easily. Titanium was chosen there, not lightly either due to its expense of acquisition and difficulty in machining, because it is far lighter than steel which is great for aircraft but has comparable strength. They even had to pull some Cold War trickery to buy the rutile ore surreptitiously through intermediaries from the Soviet Union, who of course wouldn't otherwise sell it them so they could build a fighter jet. There is also titanium nitride, a very hard material used for machine tools. I don't know much about batch-to-batch variation in titanium.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 06, 2022, 08:08:53 am
If there's not already a thread for that in FG&RP or creative projects, you'd probably be more than welcome to make one in one of those boards.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on August 06, 2022, 01:08:23 pm
This'd be the thread intended for brainstorming. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=110287.0)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 13, 2022, 03:02:21 pm
when the poster above you is hot  :-*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 13, 2022, 03:03:52 pm
 :-*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on August 16, 2022, 08:44:52 pm
Well that's unfortunate then, to be a figment of someone elses imagination
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 16, 2022, 11:16:34 pm
Am *I* a figment of YOUR imagination?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 16, 2022, 11:39:38 pm
You're even less a figment of my imagination than my grandmother's cat's left testicle. Be proud, for that may mean you actually exist.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 17, 2022, 01:10:36 am
Do we even exist when we aren't logged in, is the life I live outside Bay12 even real?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 17, 2022, 04:59:37 am
Life is an illusion. There is only Bay. Ask Jifodus.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on August 17, 2022, 07:26:52 am
And when we log out,

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 17, 2022, 07:28:10 am
We leaf?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on August 17, 2022, 07:30:09 am
Bay leaves.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 20, 2022, 02:07:37 pm
Please don't wake up. I don't want to die.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on August 20, 2022, 02:09:05 pm
Don't tell me what to do.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on August 20, 2022, 05:08:42 pm
Don't tell me what to do.

ANARCHY!!!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 21, 2022, 03:09:21 am
Aw yeah lets start a riot and so something chaotic, like move the wet floor sign over slightly or hide the toilet paper in a public bathroom!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on August 22, 2022, 11:15:01 am
Aw yeah lets start a riot
*grabs and throws folding chair*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 22, 2022, 02:59:47 pm
I can offer my expertise in how to flatten furniture. Old guy at work calls me hulk  ;D. Chaos yes but let's make sure nobody strains their back.


edit: let's break the shit out of stuff then stack it in neat piles
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 22, 2022, 03:13:06 pm
Let's break into a shop, turn over their trash cans, then disassemble their electronic waste in an orderly fashion for recycling for the greater benefit of society!!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 22, 2022, 04:58:55 pm
You jest but I wish we'd do it to most airports, rain my sledgehammer down their fighterjet in holy wrath, one helicopter per hospital is enough cyberdjihad ftw.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 23, 2022, 03:12:24 am
What about those hospitals that take care of large regions where an ambulance might not be able to, I feel like hospitals in those regions should have more than one helicopter.

And smashing shit in an airport with a sledgehammer sounds like it would be a lot of fun.


Also speaking of planes I've always wanted to get an old one and make a house inside of it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Great Order on August 23, 2022, 03:15:04 am
You jest but I wish we'd do it to most airports, rain my sledgehammer down their fighterjet in holy wrath, one helicopter per hospital is enough cyberdjihad ftw.
Until then, there's always Red Faction Guerilla.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 23, 2022, 10:11:43 am
There is enough rural hospitals that don't have helicopters, like 1 on average or median is more what I envision. But it's not sexy to distinguish precisely when you're swinging a sledgehammer.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on August 24, 2022, 01:49:53 am
I'll probably publish a few short stories in my hard SF setting soon.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 24, 2022, 03:59:31 am
There is enough rural hospitals that don't have helicopters, like 1 on average or median is more what I envision. But it's not sexy to distinguish precisely when you're swinging a sledgehammer.
Makes sense the hospital near me doesn't have one.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 24, 2022, 09:53:42 am
The Hawaiian Shirt, the last bastion of expression in men's fashion.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on August 24, 2022, 01:33:09 pm
I'll probably publish a few short stories in my hard SF setting soon.

I originally read that as "hard San Francisco setting", and could only imagine the implications.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 24, 2022, 02:59:56 pm
I'll probably publish a few short stories in my hard SF setting soon.

I originally read that as "hard San Francisco setting", and could only imagine the implications.

Jack London, but instead of the harsh cold of Alaska, its the exhaustion of walking uphill.  (There's still a dog)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 25, 2022, 03:11:49 am
So when does it get to the part where someone gets hit by a street car then attacked by hobos?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 25, 2022, 11:18:11 am
I have lived in SF for about 7 years now and I have yet to be struck by a streetcar or mauled by hobos, alone or in combination.

There are a lot of streetcars and hobos, however, so maybe it's just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 27, 2022, 03:23:54 am
There are a lot of streetcars and hobos, however, so maybe it's just a matter of time.
Just be sure to wear padded armour to protect your self in the event of ether happening.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on August 27, 2022, 06:36:27 am
If I worked in a clinic administering vaccines I could make kids cry every day and also actually help save a lot of lives. It's honestly the perfect job.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 27, 2022, 06:44:45 pm
The real concern is when you get on a streetcar with a bunch of angry hobos on it. There's only so much room.

Also I find it amusing so many people here have thoughts about San Francisco.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 10, 2022, 03:31:54 pm
'cause they bite and crawl on you and there's a persistent belief you eat them when you sleep, and so on

Just... mostly the same reasons people freak out about spiders outside their bedroom, magnified by an "i sleep there" angle.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on September 10, 2022, 03:44:02 pm
Your bedroom is where you sleep, and sleeping is when you're at your most vulnerable. That vulnerability heightens all other perceived threats, since in theory even a minor threat while you're awake could be a major threat while you're asleep; and therefore greater vigilance is required.

So, yeah, what Frumple said. Same as usual, just magnified.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 11, 2022, 03:13:21 am
Just smack the spider with a hammer, then it's no longer a threat to your sleeping body.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 12, 2022, 09:57:44 am
It's impossible  to indicate directions more precisely than within a 90° cheesepiece (you know the ones likecommandos or desperados)  ,change my mind.

When
-over there
-overthere in in the blue box with the grey lid right behind the gutter
-and speaking with people who only understand romanian
have exactly the same effect
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on September 12, 2022, 05:57:46 pm
90 degree cheesepieces -- you mean, like, a rook? In a game of chess?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 13, 2022, 02:58:34 am
A piece of cheese cut at a 90 degree angle?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 13, 2022, 04:25:12 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Like this, why didn't I think to call it a pizza slice Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on September 13, 2022, 10:12:46 am
What game is that?  It looks great!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 13, 2022, 10:15:29 am
commandos (2) they're fine but the original is hard to run on modern pcs if not impossible, even my gog installer keeps bugging me for dx5 support
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 14, 2022, 02:47:20 am
I've played that game but I never managed to get very far in it, are you not supposed to kill everyone in some levels?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 16, 2022, 10:25:36 am
congratulations you are smarter than me


take care
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on September 16, 2022, 10:58:49 am
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Great Order on September 16, 2022, 12:08:13 pm
You can take the man out of the elf-hating, but you can't take the elf-hating out of the man.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on September 16, 2022, 03:40:59 pm
I'm sorry to see you go, vcd. I hope things get better for you. Make sure you stay in touch with IRL friends or friends on other parts of the net, ok?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 16, 2022, 05:13:35 pm
And with that, one more of us solemnly take their leave, and Bay12 comes a tiny bit closer to its death.

Sad to see you go. Hope you come back sometime.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 16, 2022, 05:31:18 pm
The Twelfth of Bays may never die, for Jifodus' watch is eternal and the Toad is his prophet.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 17, 2022, 04:36:50 am
But does Bay12 continue to exist if Jifodus logs out?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 17, 2022, 04:58:46 am
ralo
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 17, 2022, 09:28:17 am
Hardly, we will have to restructure everything. Dark years ahead without his warm shine. But not all hope is lost, maybe once the dust has settled bay13 emerges.

That implies 11 bays existed before the current one, and that the birth and death of the bay is indeed a never ending cycle.

To Bay69 we go!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 17, 2022, 09:50:41 am
We don't talk about Bay11.  Bays before that are just unthinkable, Bay11 obviously would have been the first. If we talked about it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 17, 2022, 03:41:59 pm
bara
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on September 17, 2022, 06:30:38 pm
"Silly String" implies the existence of Serious Rope
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 18, 2022, 04:29:38 am
Bay1 the first bay was created when the first caveman painted on a wall.


Also Serious Rope is serious business and is not to be taken lightly!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on September 18, 2022, 05:03:10 am
I have been contemplating my presence and what it means to the board and the forum at large, I remember some of the details of how I made it here, and I'm thankful I did, reflecting on the journey so far, this forum and the people have done something for me on one of my worst days, when I was truly struggling for reason.

But I don't believe that my presence here is particularly positive, I don't like what I represent and signify to the people of this forum anymore, this identity no longer suits me, so I'm wiping the slate clean, I have a lot of changing and growing to do.

If I ever return, it will be as someone new, hopefully better.

So long and thanks for everything, specially to those who were here when I was going through some of the worst moments of my life, it is unlikely I will ever be able to repay you.
Seeya. Though your presence wasn't negative at all, much the opposite...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on September 19, 2022, 08:59:20 am
A Bay is born, time flows, the universe ends
A Bay is born, time flows, the universe ends
A Bay is born, time flows, the universe ends
A Bay is born, time flows, the universe ends
A Bay is born...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on September 21, 2022, 07:49:51 am
Jifodus is probably how Jesus is pronounced somewhere in the world.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on September 21, 2022, 02:47:19 pm
Why is it that aliens in abduction stories always sucking sperm outta dudes with needles, why don't they just ask em to jack off into a cup and put some porn on. Eggs I'm sure are more difficult. Maybe it's just an equality of treatment thing, gotta probe all subjects equally

Or they could just break into sperm banks and steal a little out of each sample. Weve made it so easy for them wtf
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on September 21, 2022, 02:50:07 pm
Aliens aren't gonna develop high-tech bodily orifice probes and other assorted gadgets just to not use them!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on September 21, 2022, 02:56:15 pm
Plus, you assume they don't need the fresh stuff

For some bizarre reason
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 22, 2022, 02:09:44 am
Aliens believe in equality for all and that everyone and everything should be probed the same way!


We can only hope that one day we become like the aliens and probe everyone and everything equally.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 23, 2022, 04:46:04 pm
There should be a golf course where the goal is to hit the water hazards.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 25, 2022, 02:14:20 pm
What if we ran DF in the most powerful supercomputer on Earth?

I imagine that if we generate a large world with very long history and maximum civ and site count, the FPS would still tank at around 900 years.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 25, 2022, 02:19:04 pm
Depends. With or without catsplosion?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 25, 2022, 02:39:34 pm
Depends. With or without catsplosion?

Can a catsplosion happen in worldgen? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 25, 2022, 03:02:36 pm
Ah, right. You meant worldgen.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 26, 2022, 02:48:49 am
Maybe one day we'll all get a computer that can run Dwarf Fortress with out having to worry about FPS death.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 26, 2022, 05:23:55 am
Maybe one day we'll all get a computer that can run Dwarf Fortress with out having to worry about FPS death.

Imagine the specs of that absolute unit.

It is terrifying.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on September 26, 2022, 10:47:48 am
It.
Is.
Inevitable.

*Kicks elf into bottomless pit*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on September 27, 2022, 07:44:31 am
*Elf dehydrates to death, as it is doesn't hit the bottom*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 27, 2022, 08:35:53 am
What would be the theme song for us, the Bay12 community?

I am going with this. (https://youtu.be/9R-AVyXtonk)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on September 27, 2022, 07:52:19 pm
???

it's not even a question? It's song_game_27_3_12, by Toady One. The theme song for the community comes from the game.

e: I think this is the closest I've found on youtube for it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSDsA1aSzSQ); the thing I have on my personal music playlist came straight from the game files back in 2012

e2: Checking the current version, looks like it's been swapped over to song_game.ogg. song_title.ogg would probably work, too. We don't have to have a single theme song, we've been running enough seasons to have more than one opener.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 28, 2022, 01:20:47 am
Fort song is too calm. It supposed to convey apeshit insanity too.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 28, 2022, 01:42:14 am
I agree with Frumple, but fair...
Simon Serwer - Dagger Dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5nF7qY5ZEk)
I almost suggested him earlier, but I'm glad the classic background was suggested first.
It's legitimately good.
It isn't "escaped lunatic" like some of Serwer's works, but Toady made some good background music for fort building.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on September 28, 2022, 01:47:23 am
I know the perfect song!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 28, 2022, 01:55:53 am
I know the perfect song!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Soooooooo funny.

At least the ads protected me from getting hit directly.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on September 28, 2022, 06:02:32 am
I agree with Frumple, but fair...
Simon Serwer - Dagger Dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5nF7qY5ZEk)
I almost suggested him earlier, but I'm glad the classic background was suggested first.
It's legitimately good.
It isn't "escaped lunatic" like some of Serwer's works, but Toady made some good background music for fort building.

While I do like Dagger Dance, I personally would've cast my vote for what I still consider to be Swerwer's Magnum Opus... Namely, actually singing in Dwarvish in Tankard Basher (https://youtu.be/R1gF0uhHsqk)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 28, 2022, 06:12:42 am
While I do like Dagger Dance, I personally would've cast my vote for what I still consider to be Swerwer's Magnum Opus... Namely, actually singing in Dwarvish in Tankard Basher (https://youtu.be/R1gF0uhHsqk)
Come on. Danger Room is superior.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on September 28, 2022, 09:13:05 am
I agree with Frumple, but fair...
Simon Serwer - Dagger Dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5nF7qY5ZEk)
I almost suggested him earlier, but I'm glad the classic background was suggested first.
It's legitimately good.
It isn't "escaped lunatic" like some of Serwer's works, but Toady made some good background music for fort building.

While I do like Dagger Dance, I personally would've cast my vote for what I still consider to be Swerwer's Magnum Opus... Namely, actually singing in Dwarvish in Tankard Basher (https://youtu.be/R1gF0uhHsqk)
It's less chaotic, ironically, but I do fiercely agree.  Mmnph, I can practically sing this, knowing the meaning of the words.
I named multiple DND characters in DF, most notably my avatar - Adil "tongsletter" ("Wall" Olinlolor).  A "manly woman" back 12 years ago, a reminder that I was always "like this" even if I didn't know the words.

Die with your axe in the dark is the chorus, if I remember right!  The wine is dark, the wine is red, such and such, die holding your axe in the dark!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on September 28, 2022, 09:46:18 am
I still love song_game and think it gets suitably chaotic. Not a truly random chaos, one which follows from the starting conditions.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on October 10, 2022, 05:15:15 am
You know what I want with future DF? I want for there to be an oversight so catastrophically bad, that our despicable machinations over it will surpass even the merbaby farm project in terms of horror.

It has been so long since this community glowed with that energy.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 10, 2022, 05:38:09 am
Nothing says FUN in Dwarf Fortress like committing horrible experiments on anything that moves in the names of Science and Profit!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 10, 2022, 05:52:11 am
It has been so long since this community glowed with that energy.
I think the playerbase has mellowed out more. It's very Tolkeinesque in a way; you had your 1st and 2nd age where things were wild and people were blowing up the sun and making were-blender chamelon cloning facilities, and now we're in the 3rd age where people are more concerned with making strawberry wine by the brook in peace
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on October 10, 2022, 06:23:57 am
It has been so long since this community glowed with that energy.
I think the playerbase has mellowed out more. It's very Tolkeinesque in a way; you had your 1st and 2nd age where things were wild and people were blowing up the sun and making were-blender chamelon cloning facilities, and now we're in the 3rd age where people are more concerned with making strawberry wine by the brook in peace

You would be right, unfortunately.

But the evil can be done in less crazy yet equally fun ways. In an event that the forum rejuvenates with the Steam release, we can re-enact Archcrystal with the newbies; forcing them to make merpeople bone crafts and imprisoning them because they literally cannot, all the while munching on demon meat roasts. And stuff.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on October 10, 2022, 09:27:38 am
Speak for yourselves; I still want to fine-tune some aquatic grappler beasts that can pop up next to bridges or through small holes and then drag enemies underwater to drown while being crushed.

...also kinda want to restart my pathogen research from the old days. A lot has changed since then, I wanna see how much of the old system is still relevant, and how much the new system can be manipulated.

I'm thinking a proper hemorrhagic plague could be fun; make a critter with toxic blood that transmits a syndrome that causes rapid-onset massive bleeding, along with applying the necessary tags to make THAT creature's blood carry the same syndrome. Then carve out a large wading pool, splatter one of those critters in the area so that the water gets contaminated with its blood, and then watch as the goblins march through, get sick, and explode into more bioweaponized fluid.


I mean, sure, it's no dwarven supersoldier program... But we all need a hobby, right?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on October 10, 2022, 01:40:42 pm
I still enjoy a good vampire spike pit blood-well. I never managed to get girlinhats child care cubes going, I'm not good at getting the little buggers into the cages.

One thing you can do with interactions is resurrect and fully heal wild animals that have been torn to pieces in a repeating spike pit for infinite meat. Then reintroduce the spike pit traps and the resurrecting party and an enemy to trigger hostilities. (regional effects work but can get out of control) So like LW's zombie farm but with even more meat per critter, as on average they'll be resurrectable two or three times with multiple limbs getting ripped off by the spikes in each iteration. And if they escape they won't go on a rampage or scare dwarves. Usually. You could resurrect enemies, like goblins, for multiple training sessions in an arena. But they do gain skill and may eventually overtake your trainees.

You can also get away with infinite meat by regularly summoning creatures as pets and just butchering them immediately, but that's nowhere near as maliciously evil.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 11, 2022, 11:35:45 am
gt
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 11, 2022, 11:57:24 am
you see opinions are like assholes, some people suffer from uncontrollable diarrhea.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on October 14, 2022, 06:24:49 pm
cat, if you eat my food, i eat your toes

your crunchy little kitten toes
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on October 14, 2022, 07:13:28 pm
cat, if you eat my food, i eat your toes

your crunchy little kitten toes

...

This is the random thoughts thread. Not the psychotic thoughts thread.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: None on October 14, 2022, 07:29:44 pm
nah man it's that cute/aggression thing, where cuteness makes you want to do a violence

little kitty toe beans qualify as a cuteness agitator
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on October 14, 2022, 07:33:30 pm
He's so cute you just want to eat him up.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on October 14, 2022, 08:35:19 pm
She, but yeah. She's basically a ragdoll with a raccoon tail, legitimately adorable. Still has all her toes, too.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 15, 2022, 04:41:30 am
Sounds like those toes are ripe for the picking, you gonna harvest them now or save them for later?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on October 17, 2022, 01:43:14 pm
Quote from: Some meme, dunno the origin
70% of the earth is water and virtually none of it is carbonated.

So the Earth is, in fact, flat...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on October 17, 2022, 03:56:49 pm
lulz. That's pretty good
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on October 18, 2022, 09:28:12 am
There's actually a considerable amount of carbon in the ocean: a quick google says approx. 38,000 gigatons.

Ergo, the earth is neither round nor flat, but.... fizzy.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eschar on October 18, 2022, 09:33:12 am
carbon or CO2?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on October 18, 2022, 09:38:49 am
To be pedandtic, there is quite a bit of carbonic acid in the oceans, and there is a concern that part of the carbon balance that is an unwanted climate feedback is that hotter water can't hold as much, so it releases it as CO2.  There's just not enough in there to make it "fizzy."
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on October 18, 2022, 09:40:30 am
Is Earth just a bunch of pop rocks masquerading as a planet?!?!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on October 18, 2022, 01:16:19 pm
Kinda, yeah. What with all the violent tectonics processes
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on October 18, 2022, 03:52:53 pm
So if I put a bunch of rocks in my mouth, will they pop?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 19, 2022, 02:29:21 am
Something will pop but it won't be the rocks.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on October 19, 2022, 03:04:36 am
They sure will if they were metallic sodium crystals

That being said, actual pop rocks count as mineral formations.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on October 25, 2022, 12:59:05 am
I was chatting settings with someone and we mentioned some group of deities, which I called gods, but the other person "corrected" me with demigods.  I remember disagreeing, no, taking offense.  Maybe because they were technically correct.
Who the heck was I talking to... it was recent...

Was I when I talked Tarot with my mom?  No, I might say "demigods" but she wouldn't.
Might have been with my brother, but no, he's aggressively antitheist even in fantasy (whereas I swing devout)

I'm pretty sure it was with my SO.  But were we talking Worm or... Halo??  We did recently discuss the Bungie extended universe, and that's probably it.  I was enthusing about Leela and Durandal, characters they already knew about because they're rad.  SO rad.

But I feel mostly-certain that I didn't get to Durandal's return to Earth as a beneficent monodeity.  I didn't even get to Leela's multiplanetary godhood.  Maybe... maybe that's why they said something heretical?  If that's even what happened.

I'm overanalyzing before bed, for fun, and this question just felt like a bit of corn kernel in my teeth.  And now it's gone.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on October 25, 2022, 06:33:02 am
For fun, I recommend telling Christians that Jesus is a demigod.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 25, 2022, 11:46:22 am
Remember for this Halloween season, if a house gives your kids hard drugs, you say "thanks" because drug are hella expensive to just hand out randomly to children.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on October 25, 2022, 12:20:02 pm
Hey hypothetically if you had a laser rifle and were fighting dudes with slug guns could you just carry a big bullet resistant glass pavise shield and shoot through it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 25, 2022, 12:22:07 pm
Wouldn't any wear or scratches to the shield distort the laser?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on October 25, 2022, 12:44:20 pm
Fallout and NewCOM taught me that gets ya a laser shotgun
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on October 25, 2022, 04:36:39 pm
Wouldn't any wear or scratches to the shield distort the laser?

The shield itself would too, depending on the optical properties of the material. Best case scenario your laser isnt as effective (the beam is diffused over a wider area) or you have to adjust the aim. Possibly the shield heats up and softens to the point its no longer effective or melts and you get shot. Worst case scenario, maybe heats up everything around you enough to harm you (beam is diffused almost 360 degrees, projecting a portion of its energy in all directions), like setting off an incendiary right next to your own feet. Or you brought the wrong laser/shield, and your shield is actually reflective like a mirror to the wavelength the laser fires, and you shoot yourself/your friends.

You could instead design a shield that let's you easily fire over or around it, but offers decent visibility for the operator. Or just body armor. Body armor is probably your best bet, shields are awkward. Reflective coating on your armor will even help protect your from enemies with lasers.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on October 26, 2022, 02:15:56 pm
Why is Featherweight considered a heavier weight class than Bantamweight?

Bantam=small chicken.
small chicken= many feathers
many feathers> one feather

THE MATH SPEAKS FOR ITSELF!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on October 26, 2022, 04:01:23 pm
I can't dispute that

That's indisputeable
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 26, 2022, 04:15:37 pm
Behold, a flyweight!

holds up featherless bantam
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on October 26, 2022, 04:21:28 pm
consider:

(https://i0.wp.com/valleyhatchery.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Buff-Silkie-Bantam-Chicks.jpg?fit=1800%2C1800&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on October 26, 2022, 04:30:58 pm
For fun, I recommend telling Christians that Jesus is a demigod.

Oohohoo, yes!

Fireworks will fly...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 27, 2022, 05:33:40 am
consider:

(https://i0.wp.com/valleyhatchery.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Buff-Silkie-Bantam-Chicks.jpg?fit=1800%2C1800&ssl=1)
Fluffy chicken is ultimate chicken!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 27, 2022, 07:19:13 am
Reminds me the first time I saw one of these. I thought it was a disability but also cute (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastopol_goose)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on October 28, 2022, 10:53:32 am
Reminds me the first time I saw one of these. I thought it was a disability but also cute (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastopol_goose)

Crimean goose!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on October 28, 2022, 12:09:09 pm
So, Elon is buying Twitter.

And the folks there are gonna migrate to Tumblr.

Where will the folks from Tumblr migrate to?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Travis Bickle on October 28, 2022, 01:04:20 pm
Where will the folks from Tumblr migrate to?
Outside.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on October 28, 2022, 01:27:02 pm
Where will the folks from Tumblr migrate to?

I mean, I genuinely don't think all the blue-checks are going to be going to Tumblr. Tumblr is kind of hostile by design to the kind of dunking on people and popularity that is so common in Twitterland.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on October 29, 2022, 12:02:08 am
Spoiler: consider: (click to show/hide)
Fluffy chicken is ultimate chicken!

It is a Buff Silkie Bantam
and it is perfect
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on October 29, 2022, 12:04:55 am
Im imagining the horrible mess under its fuzzy ass. Average laying hens are filthy enough already.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 29, 2022, 02:21:23 am
I thought Tumblr was dead?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Vector on October 31, 2022, 05:49:09 pm
I thought Tumblr was dead?

nah
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 01, 2022, 12:12:36 pm
I looked at a picture of my brothers today...

Wow.

They've grown. They've grown so far. So much.

I am the eldest out of three sons. I saw my brothers in their first days, when they were small, confused and unknowing. I watched them flourish from their simple being into independant individuals, unique and of their own, just as I did.

I'd never forget their first words. Their first steps. Their little games, which they made me a part of.

Heh.

The middle sibling will exceed me in height at this rate. Good for him.

Good for him.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on November 01, 2022, 01:38:25 pm
Still occasionally think my cousin's still a 5 year old brat.  He started college this year.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 01, 2022, 02:14:20 pm
Still occasionally think my cousin's still a 5 year old brat.  He started college this year.

Me too! I started college too, I mean...

I am old-  :'(
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on November 01, 2022, 04:04:04 pm
Still occasionally think my cousin's still a 5 year old brat.  He started college this year.

I started college

old

Lol
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 02, 2022, 01:53:50 pm
where is the bug thread, WHERE IS THE FUCKING BUG THREAD KIDDO?!?! YOU BETTER TELL ME NOW.


I am amazed that random thoughts manages to stay so relevant, yet is only 144 pages long.



Anyway the last housefly of the year is to be given a name, it is the law... I know right?! How are you supposed to know it's the last fly of the year anyway. Fly safe Erwin, safe and slow.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 02, 2022, 02:00:07 pm
Still occasionally think my cousin's still a 5 year old brat.  He started college this year.

I started college

old

Lol

No, I mean, when I was small, I looked up to young adults as old. And I was a tiny kid, so I did actually looked up quite alot.

Now, after all that, I am a young adult...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 18, 2022, 09:20:46 am
Novel got a pfp. Wow.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 19, 2022, 02:29:30 am
What's a pfp?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ziusudra on November 19, 2022, 05:21:19 am
ProFile Picture ... some how.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 19, 2022, 05:33:01 am
pfp
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on November 19, 2022, 12:08:15 pm
What's a pfp?
Power From Plutonium

Will he use it for good or evil?!?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on November 19, 2022, 01:05:36 pm
"I ought to give you a piece of my mind," he said, before his head exploded showering the room in gray matter.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 20, 2022, 04:14:57 am
"I ought to give you a piece of my mind," he said, before his head exploded showering the room in gray matter.
That certainly would liven up any meeting.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on November 28, 2022, 04:56:49 pm
Permanent magnets are in a constant state of trying to hold themselves together and tear themselves apart.  This is fascinating.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 29, 2022, 07:11:39 am
relatable
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on December 01, 2022, 04:34:15 am
uwu
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on December 01, 2022, 04:35:54 am
uwu
owo
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 01, 2022, 07:13:53 am
uwu
owo
ŇwÓ
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 01, 2022, 08:07:56 am
ỌẅỌ
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 01, 2022, 08:12:11 am
QwQ
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 02, 2022, 02:54:39 am
QMQ
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 02, 2022, 08:39:18 am
QuidproQ
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on December 02, 2022, 12:25:56 pm
what's this
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on December 04, 2022, 12:47:10 am
If you name your kid Flora, you should have another one named Fauna. Gotta complete the set.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 04, 2022, 12:52:26 am
Yes... but instead, it's Florent and Faun~
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 04, 2022, 03:53:57 am
Those sound like elven names, why would you do that to a child?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 04, 2022, 06:08:54 am
I like how pockets also function as phonescreen cleaners.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 04, 2022, 08:26:30 am
Those sound like elven names, why would you do that to a child?
In this economy the only chance your kids have of ever becoming homeowners is if they're kidnapped by the fae and trapped inside a time loop where they have a theoretically infinite quantity of time to save up capital
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on December 04, 2022, 03:13:28 pm
Those sound like elven names, why would you do that to a child?
In this economy the only chance your kids have of ever becoming homeowners is if they're kidnapped by the fae and trapped inside a time loop where they have a theoretically infinite quantity of time to save up capital

I got replaced with a changeling as a baby, it doesn't seem to help much.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on December 04, 2022, 06:58:25 pm
I like how pockets also function as phonescreen cleaners.
Me too, but then I think about the germs in my pocket.  Is my phone screen really getting cleaned in my pocket?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on December 04, 2022, 08:42:45 pm

I got replaced with a changeling as a baby, it doesn't seem to help much.

Well, you're a fae who got raised by humans, not the other way around. The human kid your parents kidnapped and swapped you with is probably a billionaire at this point.

We figured out where they come from, folks!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 05, 2022, 02:52:29 am
Damn fae creating all the billionaires that take all the money so us regular people can't get any!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 05, 2022, 03:51:15 am
Damn fae creating all the billionaires that take all the money so us regular people can't get any!

We must destroy all fairy circles!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 05, 2022, 03:27:23 pm
I am gonna draw up a new comic based on a post from here.

The next 10 people who respond after this announcement will be included in it.

People that will be included:

It is done.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on December 05, 2022, 04:38:57 pm
How do you know the billionaires dont become the way they are because the fairies took their souls/replaced them entirely
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on December 05, 2022, 09:25:40 pm
I am gonna draw up a new comic based on a post from here.

The next 10 people who respond after this announcement will be included in it.
nya
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 06, 2022, 02:21:54 am
How do you know the billionaires dont become the way they are because the fairies took their souls/replaced them entirely
Fairies are the enemy of man kind for creating such evil and we need to stop them.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 06, 2022, 07:12:39 am
Damn fae creating all the billionaires that take all the money so us regular people can't get any!
The fae are known for their tricks
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on December 06, 2022, 08:47:55 am
I am gonna draw up a new comic based on a post from here.

The next 10 people who respond after this announcement will be included in it.

People that will be included:
  • Eric Blank
  • Egan_BW
  • King Zultan
Woof.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 06, 2022, 09:13:59 am
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on December 06, 2022, 09:21:35 am
Damn fae creating all the billionaires that take all the money so us regular people can't get any!
The fae are known for their tricks
The reason fae child replacements are named 'changelings' isn't because they're 'changed' children. That makes no sense - the child does not change, it is swapped.
Instead, it refers to the extra change, or cash, such monstrosities generate.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 06, 2022, 02:14:33 pm
Like extra socks :O

Weird I thought I preordered Dwarf Fortress... Oh well, got it now!
Posting through the server errors so Magmacube_tr will dorf me :D
...
this is taking a while though
I almost got through a couple of times, but I insisted on checking to make sure I wasn't doubleposting.  And now I can't check that.
It reminds me a bit of the Two Generals problem but only superficially.  I can (eventually) know for sure that I've posted, and then stop.  The server can't know that I know but that's fine.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 06, 2022, 02:17:19 pm
Posting through the server errors so Magmacube_tr will dorf me :D

An honorable effort. It is a good thing that it has paid off.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Flying Teasets on December 06, 2022, 02:50:22 pm
Who are you who are so wise in the ways of the temporal plane?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 06, 2022, 03:01:55 pm
Who are you who are so wise in the ways of the temporal plane?

I have no idea who or what you are, but you are in!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 06, 2022, 06:15:31 pm
I see molds of green
maybe white too
there be some black
sitting there whoo
and I think to myself
get the fuck out my house
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 07, 2022, 12:16:53 am
I see molds of green
maybe white too
there be some black
sitting there whoo
and I think to myself
get the fuck out my house
And the list is full.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 07, 2022, 04:38:16 am
What's this comic about us ten people gonna be about?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 07, 2022, 07:22:54 am
What's this comic about us ten people gonna be about?

No spoilers~
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 07, 2022, 01:30:52 pm
It's not that, help me I'm lost. I struck down at least 500 yet they keep coming please hurry.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 07, 2022, 01:46:05 pm
It's not that, help me I'm lost. I struck down at least 500 yet they keep coming please hurry.

TOO MANY GUESTS!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on December 08, 2022, 04:17:06 pm
Y'know, half the reason the protagonist of pokemon games becomes champ is because they're one of very few trainers that knows you can bring six pokemon.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 08, 2022, 05:01:21 pm
1200 guests...

Come on just 3300 more!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 09, 2022, 02:13:33 am
They're multiplying like rabbits what are we gonna do!?!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 09, 2022, 04:56:30 am
They're multiplying like rabbits what are we gonna do!?!

It's either the gelder or the butcher.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 09, 2022, 05:43:44 am
They're multiplying like rabbits what are we gonna do!?!

It's either the gelder or the butcher.
Gonna have to do both since we don't want them to continue to multiply while being butchered.


Looks like guest roasts are on the menu boys!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on December 12, 2022, 10:10:57 am
I can't really think of any more recent videogame which handles enemy in-fighting the same way as Doom 1 and 2. Most games seem to assign enemies to factions which might fight one another without the player doing anything, which might be cool, but Doom style in-fighting feels appropriate to a raging horde of demons.

They're all nominally on the same side and want specifically you the player dead. But they also don't care about the livelyhoods of other demons or avoid friendly fire and get mad at anyone who damages them. So your fights against hordes of demons quickly turn from trying to survive a whole army shooting at you into dodging through a chaotic bar fight.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 12, 2022, 12:54:22 pm
I am gonna draw up a new comic based on a post from here.

The next 10 people who respond after this announcement will be included in it.

People that will be included:
  • Eric Blank
  • Egan_BW
  • King Zultan
  • Loud Whispers
  • MaxTheFox
  • dragdeler
  • Th4DwArfY1
  • Rolan7
  • Flying Teasets
  • Frumple

It is done.

The work has started...

I was originally gonna use this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=42204.msg3379949#msg3379949), but then I realised that it was about the June of 2012. That story is ancient; little more than a decade ago now. What it's like to be in Bay12 changed from that time.

It is the wake of 2023 now. And I will make this comic as a sequel to that post.

It's gonna be great. Trust me.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on December 12, 2022, 01:01:13 pm
In the grim bayness of the two hundred and third decade, there is only shitpost.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 12, 2022, 01:03:33 pm
In the grim bayness of the two hundred and third decade, there is only shitpost.

...Aaaaand you will be saying that!

Maybe.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on December 12, 2022, 01:05:07 pm
It was inevitable.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 12, 2022, 01:05:53 pm
It was inevitable.

What are you trying to do? Claim all the cool phrases?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on December 12, 2022, 01:11:53 pm
MAGMAAAAAAAAA!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 12, 2022, 01:16:52 pm
MAGMAAAAAAAAA!

WHAAAAAAAAAAT!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 13, 2022, 03:08:08 am
Are we gonna be fighting the enemies of the Bay in this comic?


Also we gotta use all the catchphrases.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 13, 2022, 05:02:34 am
Are we gonna be fighting the enemies of the Bay in this comic?


Also we gotta use all the catchphrases.

No, it is gonna be one of those, you know, narrative comics that describe the world. Exposition-ey ones.

The ships are not invaders, if that is what you are wondering.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 13, 2022, 05:29:22 am
If they aren't an enemy are they us?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 13, 2022, 09:34:28 am
If they aren't an enemy are they us?

They are the guests.

It will all make sense when you'll see the comic. I will reveal no more.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 14, 2022, 02:18:24 am
I feel the hype building about this comic.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 16, 2022, 08:48:22 pm
Random thought of the day: Eyeball pirate.

...

... it would fit in cyberpunk settings at a minimum.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on December 16, 2022, 10:18:23 pm
Cybercrime setting?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 17, 2022, 02:00:29 am
Cyberware theft, actually. Eyeball pirates steal cybereyes, turn around and fence fresh eyeballs, only lightly used.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eschar on December 19, 2022, 07:22:59 pm
Cyberware theft, actually. Eyeball pirates steal cybereyes, turn around and fence fresh eyeballs, only lightly used.

the movie Minority Report
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 20, 2022, 03:17:55 am
Seems like there have been several movies about similar things.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on January 06, 2023, 07:45:27 pm
sing yourself a sumpteous supper song

potato potato, i'mma eat the potato
get in my belly plate of potato
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on January 06, 2023, 10:44:30 pm
Christ is born!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on January 06, 2023, 11:40:23 pm
Glorify Him!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on January 07, 2023, 02:15:55 am
I thought his birthday was later in the year.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on January 07, 2023, 02:56:44 am
I really should have learned to shoot.  I guess there's still time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on January 07, 2023, 03:09:24 am
I thought his birthday was later in the year.
Orthodox Christmas is on the 7th.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on January 07, 2023, 08:39:32 am
I'm all fir another round of herring. Happy Christmas everybody!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on January 10, 2023, 12:46:21 am
Most things get easier with practice, but not sleeping.
No pun intended
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on January 22, 2023, 11:02:23 am
if you mispronounce dissonant real bad, you can get "deuce on it", which is to say, shit on it

it's definitely a game to mispronounce something as badly as possible while still be recognizable as the original word

E: to avoid doubleposting, Nobully Oblicky is a wonderfully terrible name for a noble's bastard child.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Superdorf on February 01, 2023, 09:42:37 am
I had a strange idea last night, so I slept on it, and I woke up and I still had the strange idea, so I decided to just go for it, and this is that idea (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181352.0)

I wasn't sure whether to put it under Forum Games or Life Advice
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on February 01, 2023, 09:52:05 am
We love you Superdorf, and will certainly not try to get you to hit on random people in your life.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on February 02, 2023, 02:57:54 am
Worry not Superdorf we shall lead you down the pathway to GLORY!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dikbutdagrate on February 02, 2023, 03:13:07 am
Yellow.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Enemy post on February 03, 2023, 10:00:06 pm
I have to admit, I'm sort of hoping the recent AI revolution goes horribly wrong and the technology is used for something constructive at some point.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on February 04, 2023, 02:43:29 am
We've had an AI revolution, when did that happen?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on February 05, 2023, 08:28:47 am
It's just an idle thought, but... like, the original Your Mother's Son in Law (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXI65jyxDlg) was a fairly subversive song for the time -- you had this young lady basically saying, "Look, you don't have to be some kind of impressive guy, just marry me", which was not exactly a culturally normative statement at the time for a number of reasons. "My mother's Son-in-Law" -- young woman lead, somewhat abnormal  There was an arrangement not long after with a male singer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW27JMYC52U) that swapped up the lyrics a bit and made it significantly less subversive by dint of it suddenly being an older dude saying more or less that they didn't have to be that impressive, just marry them anyway (on top of some other things, it was a much more standard sort of message for the time). "Your mother's Son-in-Law" -- male lead, bog standard heteronormative message.

... the thought, though, was that if there'd been a hypothetical version -- if it was done, it wasn't popularized in any sense -- that just, just genderflipped the singer, well. That would have been a song that might have gotten the singer killed in the 1930s, because suddenly you have a guy saying they want someone to be their mother's son in law. I.e. that's all that it takes to make the song gay as hell.

Anyway, the random thought was just ranking the songs in terms of subversion for time of publication, which was Six Swingers <<< Holiday < Hypothetical Literally Gay Version.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on February 10, 2023, 09:10:32 am
Okay I need a legally blind person that lives near a touristable deadly cliff.

I will funnel you all the people that are unable to process instructions when you didn't look them in the eyes 20 seconds because they are too distracted working through their sense of needy entitlement to process like two sentences. And no they're not hard of hearing, just lethally normal.

What's in it for you? I'm paying for the duration of the full tour, but you will be able to go home after half a day, everdyday... Also the shit they left in their hotel.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: jipehog on February 11, 2023, 06:16:04 pm
Just made a magic trick and realized that its a nice way of exploring how one ascertain truth
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on February 17, 2023, 05:13:48 pm
New Freddy vs Jason movie but it's until halfway through the movie that you realize by Freddy they really meant Freddy Fazbear.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on February 18, 2023, 04:42:06 am
But just think of peoples faces when they realize Freddy Kruger was actually a robotic bear the entire time and they didn't realize it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on February 21, 2023, 09:58:28 am
So we've been spotting kittens since december, one was abducted into a loving household, one wasn't spotted since we had <10C°, I found a dead adult cat nearby too...


But the last one is an absolute champ, it's megashy as it ought to be, I throw some treat it will be so goddamn cautious it take several minutes to grab the treat, stay cautious my majestic little survivor, never get run over. Maybe one day we will be able to sit back to back and affectively ignore eachother...


It's got white paws but long tabby fur.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on March 11, 2023, 06:55:24 pm
pineapple tastes like how being kicked in the balls feels, except good. and in your mouth.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 12, 2023, 03:22:11 am
What kind of pineapples have you been eating, because the last one I ate didn't taste anything like that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on March 12, 2023, 03:33:52 am
Or, alternatively, who's been kicking you in the balls? And can I have their phone number?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on March 12, 2023, 04:02:18 am
Statements not guaranteed for accuracy.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on March 13, 2023, 06:11:34 am
Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Pineapple"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on March 13, 2023, 07:16:13 pm
Reason #1; Theyre tasty as fuck
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 14, 2023, 01:10:48 am
But is their flavor worth being kicked in the balls?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on March 14, 2023, 03:18:14 am
A perfectly ripe pineapple might be worth just that.
And raspberries... definitely raspberries are.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 15, 2023, 01:59:28 am
I guess I'm just not eating the right types of fruits at the right ripeness.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on March 15, 2023, 10:01:50 pm
The gag where there's a tiny angel and devil on one's shoulders acting as one's conscious, but instead of the angel it's just a bigger, meaner devil.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 27, 2023, 08:23:00 pm
I mean, demons are fallen angels in some religions, so it checks out
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on March 27, 2023, 10:51:14 pm
So as part of my writing, I recruited a few editors from a bunch of communities I am in (from Cataclysm to Cellular Automata). One of them has very... interesting ideas about what entertainment in the future would be like.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 27, 2023, 10:57:52 pm
Something about bread and a circus from a conversation from years ago is cropping up in my head, not sure why, but yeah, humans keeping doing an old sport despite newer more stimulating sports seems like a thing we would (are?) doing. There is a game developer trying to make 4D golf, and another game developer attempting to make a game in non Euclidian geometry, imagine the myriad of spatial dimensions that could be achieved in a VR sim, so unlike the real world you'd have to think of things very differently than the real world with just 3 spatial dimensions
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on March 27, 2023, 11:02:35 pm
Inertia is just too strong of a thing. Especially over a mere 2 centuries.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on March 28, 2023, 06:56:48 am
Human are gonna human, and we are creatures of habit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on March 28, 2023, 08:48:25 am
The physicality of certain activities is not yet enjoyably substituted by digital variants. E.g. reading a physical book has not been replaced by e-books, with sales of both increasing absolutely... Because physical books do feel different to read. Ditto for playing a sword fighting game versus fencing in real life; neither one are competing for the same niche as they are both very different experiences. I would much rather climb in real life than climb in an AR or VR environment, but then again I think the goal with AR or VR would be to achieve things you can't achieve in real life. How freaking terrifying & cool would playing a horror survival game in VR be if you could somehow incorporate the physical act of running into your game control? I know there is a very expensive prototype company which does do that, so one can only hope such a device becomes commercially available one day
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on March 28, 2023, 09:29:45 am
Counterpoint - - - - - many have replaced physical books with audiobooks. They are convenient, open multitasking, and inspire a similar experience (with the added modality of tone to evoke emotions).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 28, 2023, 10:03:26 am
Counterpoint: There are many different types of people with different values and preferences, and no single statement of subjective experience will apply to everyone or even most people.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on March 28, 2023, 10:08:03 am
Counterpoint - -  - -- - -  You are wrong, we are all Pathos.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 29, 2023, 03:47:09 am
Counterpoint: Parts of Pathos like to read physical books while other parts like e-books.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on March 29, 2023, 08:48:48 am
Counterpoint: If parts of the body prefer shampoo, that doesn't mean the entire body does
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on March 29, 2023, 08:51:23 am
Counterpoint: If you don't shampoo your colon, you're missing out.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 30, 2023, 03:12:32 am
Counterpoint: Drano is the only true way to clean a colon.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on March 30, 2023, 03:31:52 pm
Counterpoint: Using Drano like that would kill you and would therefore be counterproductive to use for such a purpose
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on March 30, 2023, 05:42:36 pm
Counterpoint: What are you three fucking talking about!?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on March 30, 2023, 05:48:27 pm
They appear to be talking about pipe cleaning, fairly obviously?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on March 30, 2023, 05:52:05 pm
They appear to be talking about pipe cleaning, fairly obviously?

Yeah, those "pipes" appear to be the intestines!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on March 30, 2023, 06:08:13 pm
I know it may be cliche of me, but have you tried knives?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on March 31, 2023, 01:57:23 am
If Drano and knives don't work why not try a shoving a drain snake up in there?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on March 31, 2023, 12:36:24 pm
I favour nettles meself
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on March 31, 2023, 03:18:47 pm
Drano. He's here to clean your pipes. Starring Rocco Siffredi.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on March 31, 2023, 03:57:46 pm
Urethra! I mean, Eureka!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on April 05, 2023, 09:06:37 am
f for jean-marie
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on April 11, 2023, 03:56:38 am
The hurdy gurdy wiki page brought me to the rebab (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebab), also known as rebap or rebob, page.

Which made me think that in some universes there must be an acclaimed anime show called cowboy rebop
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on April 11, 2023, 01:08:21 pm
The list of alternate spellings could be the intro rap on its own.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on April 12, 2023, 10:09:26 pm
Oh no I'm kinda crossfaded and this rules.

Listening to Anthem For No State (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or4TV8WHcEw) while considering my nightly sublinguals and remembering a time when I had tolerated my dad and stepmom for a while and had a long talk with dad about my hormones and then she stopped me on my way out and was asking me to come visit him on a certain date and I was exhausted and, as if I was lighting a cigarette (something I've literally never done), I pulled out my special 3-chambered circular case, looks like a makeup kit, I bought it with her on a day trip to the beach, I flip that open and I take out a tiny teal pill and I "subtly" place it under my tongue behind my hand, she can't see if it's behind my hand, but also I've told her everything anyway.  Did she notice?  I mean, she must have.  But she didn't react.  Good.  Good? Certainly tolerable.

I accessed the Conv buffer and answered the question which I'd had an answer to from her 3rd syllable.  "Yeah sure, I can come by!"

It'd been a long fucking day and I needed to remind me of me.  I didn't want to rub it in her face I just wanted to assert myself [when I didn't feel myself.  being with them makes me feel like nothing.  the way I used to feel]

That's an... an old memory from Halloween [oh, because I brought up some pics lately and I actually liked my ambushed smile. my face].
Don't get crossfaded, or at least don't post this way.
unless it's funny
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on April 13, 2023, 05:50:23 pm
sometimes you tryina do something and it's givin you trouble and you be like

c'mon now, help a brother out

and it's like

no

then you go

so i guess i gots to cut a bitch huh

and you do

and the candy finally comes out the bag
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on April 13, 2023, 07:46:09 pm
"Oh you're gonna be like that, huh. Well, good think I have scissors!"

Can hardly imagine how frustrated I'd be if I were on the road or something and couldn't open something because no scissors and the friggin notch is cut above where the bag is sealed for some reason.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on April 20, 2023, 03:08:53 am
If the sun was made out of millions of billions of souls burning in hell, we could be making a fortune out of soular power
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on April 23, 2023, 08:22:20 pm
If you have a fair 6-sided die and are trying to roll a 1, if you roll the die 10 times there’s basically a 1 in 6 chance you will have seen no ones.

I love the somewhat unintuitive nature of probability!

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on April 25, 2023, 11:29:05 am
Ah the most useless branch of mathematics, accept this 10/6 before I slap you.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on April 28, 2023, 10:24:09 am
I don't understand biology outside of certain very specific aspects, and even then as a layperson.  However:
What algorithm thought nasal congestion was a good idea?  "Oh no, we're inhaling irritants!  Time to stop breathing through the filtered intake, let's only breathe through the unfiltered uncomfortable intake!"

Throat: "Don't worry, we're working on a more permanent solution"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on April 28, 2023, 10:29:39 am
It makes sense if you believe in both intelligent design and that the creator god(s) were malicious hatebeings that want things to suffer, hah.

... without that, you just have to occasionally remind yourself evolution doesn't believe in "good ideas", just whatever ideas keep you(r species) breeding without killing you (all) in sufficient numbers. It's entirely possible some significant amount of congestion is actively maladaptive, just not maladaptive enough to get selected against.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on April 29, 2023, 07:59:16 pm
In a discussion about perception and transness and consciousness, Myst came up:
Quote
it "birthed" such an old idea.  The concept that a world exists because we write it down.

Edit: Did it exist before we wrote it?  Maybe/yes.  Does that say things about our own reality?  Potentially.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on April 29, 2023, 08:21:26 pm
Getting precariously close to “what does it mean for a wavefunction to collapse” territory there.

What “turns a possibility, into reality?”
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on April 29, 2023, 10:14:11 pm
Indeed!

And I say it exists.  But it doesn't exist because we wrote it down.
It always existed.  It doesn't matter that we conceived it.

Though, also, the fact that we conceived it is of utmost importance to us.  Now we know it.

Edit: To conceive is "to give birth". But I think it's more literally "to create something together".  Con (together) ceive (manifest, sorta kinda)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on May 01, 2023, 01:45:41 am
Maybe oral historising counts as writing it down? And cave paintings too?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 04, 2023, 09:23:53 am
conceive comes from concevoir comes from con capere.... it gets so roots it's hard make sense of but I think it's whatever gave birth to "capici?!" with an intensifier because de-per-con-ex can also simply serve to intensify a verb
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 09, 2023, 07:24:57 am
this is sparta
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 20, 2023, 04:12:52 am
It's dreadurday my dudes, and today I propose to you a new programming standard:

Horse code:

When compiling your code into binaries, an additional encoding and decoding process is necessary to transform it into 'horse code.' In horse code, characters and strings are stored as Morse code, where 0 represents a short beep and 1 represents a long beep. While the binaries still include standard instructions and functionality, any text data within the code is encoded using Morse code.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 20, 2023, 07:15:51 am
i see the reference to horses counting with their feet and

all i can think is you've invented the programming equivalent of (for all that don't know what this means, my best, most sincere suggestion: don't look it up, you're better off not knowing) a clop fic

the second, more unfortunate, think, is if that makes the subject verboten on b12 due to being my little pony adjacent
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 20, 2023, 01:11:28 pm
I kinda had to look it up you know, but made a U-turn after seeing the urban dictionary definition under a title in the top results.

Oh for fucks sake, I tried to prep myself with chatgpt, figured I got time to piss away, but was forced to keep it short as the depths of binary code elude me. Guess it could never have warned me about this particular angle without a little nudging from my part. But the worst part is that I missed the existence of the word hoarse.

Why is it called "clop" fic tho? Is it just the sound of the hooves?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: WealthyRadish on May 20, 2023, 01:27:23 pm
Encoding Morse code would be a bit of a nightmare. It's essentially like UTF-8 (each glyph has a variable number of codepoints) but each codepoint is 1-bit rather than a full byte. A compact storage of it (like, not using 8 times as much memory as necessary) would need to be able to split a glyph across multiple bytes, adding really annoying complexity to basically every string operation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 20, 2023, 01:37:22 pm
It seems like no letter has more than 4 beeps, so we can store exactly 2 letters in 1 byte (maybe)? But it seems like we need 7 short beeps for a space, so that's annoying.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 20, 2023, 01:42:29 pm
It seems like no letter has more than 4 beeps, so we can store exactly 2 letters in 1 byte (maybe)? But it seems like we need 7 short beeps for a space, so that's annoying.
Won't work. How do you distinguish C from NN, or S from IE? You could zero-pad short symbols (or 1-pad them), but then how do you tell G or W from P?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 20, 2023, 01:51:34 pm
edit: Oh no, even if you go by the convention that letters go from the first to the fourth and the fifth and the last bit, it might actually be ambigious, apparently morse uses short pause no beep not 7 short beeps for space, and 1 short pause to delineate between letters. That's a third state... Idk if can just substitute "2" by "0" without causing bugs.


got ninja'd

Ok MS inspired me to look apparantly that makes "space" = "BH" (or HH depending on what convention you set for spaces)


Simple actually :D make HH forbidden for any and all text!


Which does leave with an odd h here or there when it's an uneven number of characters before a space... hm if we do what WR said was inefficient, we end up with HH. Is that good or bad? Did a broken clock just fix a bug?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 20, 2023, 02:09:12 pm
Why is it called "clop" fic tho? Is it just the sound of the hooves?
Yeah, basically. As far as I'm aware it was adopted because the word is fairly close to fap in both spelling and (in this specific usage) intent, except hoofs because, well. Hooves.

E: Infinite english hatefact of the day: Both hoofs and hooves is a legitimate pluralization of hoof.

Remember folks, english hates you and wants you to suffer!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on May 20, 2023, 04:14:27 pm
horfs
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on May 20, 2023, 08:18:10 pm
Hoofies!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on May 21, 2023, 03:37:26 am
Hoofuls
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on May 21, 2023, 06:42:07 am
Why is it called "clop" fic tho? Is it just the sound of the hooves?
Yeah, basically. As far as I'm aware it was adopted because the word is fairly close to fap in both spelling and (in this specific usage) intent, except hoofs because, well. Hooves.

E: Infinite english hatefact of the day: Both hoofs and hooves is a legitimate pluralization of hoof.

Remember folks, english hates you and wants you to suffer!

That's the opposite of wanting you to suffer

That's being fine either way
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on May 21, 2023, 11:10:58 pm
English is nothing if not accommodating.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on May 25, 2023, 01:52:38 pm
It takes more muscles to frown than smile, unless you have resting bitch face.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on May 25, 2023, 03:35:34 pm
And the fools that are always reminding you how many muscles to use don't care how sore your muscles get from trying to smile all day

Also, "fay" is apparently a valid word in my phones autocorrect library
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on May 25, 2023, 04:51:58 pm
Also, "fay" is apparently a valid word in my phones autocorrect library
Yeah it's related to fey, meaning faerie, etc.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on May 26, 2023, 01:14:44 am
I don't get why autocorrect accepts those fay and fey but doesn't accept dwarven.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on May 26, 2023, 01:37:11 am
They're in cahoots with Tolkien's editor. They want ut to be dwarfen
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 29, 2023, 11:31:10 am
I just changed my forum email to protonmail. It think it will be more secure. Especially since I am sure they will start weaseling opposition up. Not all of us, but they will probably brands us as terrorists (not that they didn't already), and will make an example from some.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: delphonso on May 29, 2023, 05:24:50 pm
Been using protonmail for a while, I quite like it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on June 01, 2023, 04:18:22 pm
>be me
>open stellaris
>start as a technocracy
>begin expanding
>get fucked by RNG and realise that i am stuck with a dozen systems
>thisgameiswear.jpeg
>realise that the place has four terraforming canidates
>two cavern, two tidally locked barren worlds (i use planetary diversity)
>mfw i remember that i need midgame tech to terraform those
>fuckthatshit.mp4
>painstakingly grind resources while juggling envoys around
>mfw the galaxy is hella xenophobic and all of them want my ass
>finally reach the tech level needed to terraform
>colonise all four at once
>i am now a superpower
>attack my neighbor
>mfw the entire galaxy is on war with me
>holyfuckingshit.gif
>the fuckers have built an galaxy-wide federation and excluded me
>get annihilated
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on June 02, 2023, 11:33:20 pm
If we ruin the surface level ecology of the ocean via overfishing and pollution...

Would that starve out the Old Ones?
There's energy and certain minerals input by the ocean-floor vents, and surely the deep ocean could subsist without additional input for...  I'm going to say a million years, give or take.

But I wonder how long the macrobiology survives once the surface-ocean isn't raining down high-energy nutrients from Sol.

And with strange aeons, even death may die.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on June 03, 2023, 05:37:44 am
There will be an extinction event for the pelagic feeders, and scavengers, for sure. But the species that live and subsist on geothermal vents will survive.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on June 03, 2023, 07:07:19 am
Eh... given enough time, the core cools to the point those vents close off/shut down, too. Iirc the time frame for that's a lot longer out than just a million years, though.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on June 03, 2023, 01:59:17 pm
If we're just talking about overfishing and pollution, I think creatures of the deeper oceans would eventually work their way up and colonize the surface level. Especially after we're gone, which will take considerably less time than a million years.

Nature abhors a vacuum. And even a polluted surface is a higher value habitat than the lightless deeps for most species, I'd think.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: lemon10 on June 03, 2023, 03:03:17 pm
Over the long term (many thousands or tens of thousands of years) surface species will evolve that will both be horribly disgusting for us to eat and immune to the pollution on the surface.

If we were actively antagonistic to them we could change up the pollutants every few millennia to stop anything from being able to live there (eg. going from highly acidic dumping->highly basic, changing mass pesticides->mass neurotoxins).


But I don't think we can ever kill all the microbes/plankton in the lighted zone with mere pollution or overfishing, and they should be able to able to act as energy inputs for the lower levels.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 04, 2023, 02:30:44 am
Zen Buddhist Nuclear Apocalypse Survivor Cockroach Aliens.

"Let the radiation wash over you, and dissipate. Endure, and your time will come."
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on June 04, 2023, 04:49:16 pm
Having played Stellaris, it would appear that the Xenophobic Autocratic form of government we favor would indeed be optimal...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on June 05, 2023, 05:00:48 am
The best way to save the sea creatures from pollution in the water is pump all the water into space because we can't pollute water that isn't there.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on June 06, 2023, 04:53:33 am
At that point... why not pump the pollutants into space??
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on June 06, 2023, 06:46:40 pm
Kessler syndrome on literally toxic steroids may somehow be an even worse idea than flooding the earth's orbit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on June 07, 2023, 01:26:10 am
No see if we flood space we won't need spaceships we can just sail our normal ships out there
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on June 07, 2023, 01:38:01 am
At that point... why not pump the pollutants into space??
Why do the easy thing when we can do the difficult thing?

Also because of this.
No see if we flood space we won't need spaceships we can just sail our normal ships out there
Think of the money we'll save!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on June 07, 2023, 01:12:36 pm
Distant wildfires have blotted out the sky and made air quality the worst its been in recent memory. The only good to come of this is that I can now believe I'm in one of those gritty shows that take place in South America because the sky and everything else has that orange filter
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 08, 2023, 07:38:23 am
"As you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you", thought I as I watched a dude look down the container, mouth gaping as wide open as the 2,4x5x2,5 metal box without a roof.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: KittyTac on June 12, 2023, 02:26:59 am
Bye bye Reddit! Maybe cutting off third-party apps that many people rely on for accessibility wasn't such a good idea?

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787403462770032691/1117621184016687185/25q5kio4nf5b1.webp)

Watching the ensuing power vacuum between rivals will be fun. Maybe one will be worth for my terminally-online self to sink hundreds of hours into.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on June 12, 2023, 03:05:17 am
What happened to Reddit?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 12, 2023, 04:13:01 am
What happened to Reddit?
Apparently they started charging outrageous prices for 3rd-party apps so there's a mass blackout (https://reddark.untone.uk/). This likely results in the fall of Reddit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Criptfeind on June 12, 2023, 02:48:51 pm
This likely results in the fall of Reddit.

I'm gunna be pessimistic and say that I kinda doubt that this is the end of reddit, just because people are pretty fickle... I'm pretty sure reddit can outlast the protest so long as there isn't a viable alternative for people too swap to. And as these places become more and more popular and part of peoples lives it becomes harder for a replacement to arise and so I sorta doubt that there's a website that can just replace reddit quickly at least.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: jipehog on June 12, 2023, 03:06:08 pm
What happened to Reddit?
AI. Reddit have been providing's its API for free, through which anyone could access reddit vast DB of conversation. Recently they learned that AI companies were downloading it wholesale to train its AI systems, realized that their data is valuable and put restrictions on non personal use.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 12, 2023, 03:12:56 pm
What happened to Reddit?
AI. Reddit have been providing's its API for free, through which anyone could access reddit vast DB of conversation. Recently they learned that AI companies were downloading it wholesale to train its AI systems, realized that their data is valuable and put restrictions on non personal use.
more that reddits in house app sucks ass and everyone else can do it better.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: jipehog on June 12, 2023, 03:17:31 pm
If they want to do better, do better; don't talk  ;D
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 12, 2023, 03:34:39 pm
If they want to do better, do better; don't talk  ;D
orrr you can monopolize and not need to improve... ;D
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eschar on June 12, 2023, 04:56:25 pm
This likely results in the fall of Reddit.

I'm gunna be pessimistic and say that I kinda doubt that this is the end of reddit, just because people are pretty fickle... I'm pretty sure reddit can outlast the protest so long as there isn't a viable alternative for people too swap to. And as these places become more and more popular and part of peoples lives it becomes harder for a replacement to arise and so I sorta doubt that there's a website that can just replace reddit quickly at least.

They don't even have to try to outlast the blackout - it's a mere two days long. A drop in the bucket.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 12, 2023, 09:37:09 pm
For most subs. Some major subs are permanent.

Honestly dumb, all of it should have been permanent.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on June 13, 2023, 01:26:19 am
As far as can tell a two day protest won't make a big company give a shit, and if they do lose members because of it they won't care because they probably have way more that won't leave.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Robsoie on June 13, 2023, 11:27:16 am
That api re-pricing for 3rd party apps to be able to launch requests on reddit servers seems to me an odd cause to fight for.
But anyways, a 2 days "let's go private then resume work as usual" sounds just as impactful as a fart in the ocean. If for them this re-pricing was so much important they should have gone down much longer if the goal was to push their users to reddit alternatives.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: taat on June 13, 2023, 01:33:15 pm
It looks like there aren't any reddit alternatives available on the short term that could handle a really big flood of users. I think there may be a bigger blackout when the changes actually do pass, and anyways it at least raised a lot of awareness.
And while 90% of the userbase may remain on reddit's official apps forever, that 90% was never the important part at least for me. I just hope the migration doesn't head to discord, since it's really one big information black hole
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on June 13, 2023, 06:19:48 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Reddit admin decided to sack some ‘rogue mods’ and replace them with more compliant ones during or after this.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 13, 2023, 07:26:18 pm
I like Discord as a chat app but it utterly sucks as an information repository because it's invisible to search engines.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on June 17, 2023, 01:54:09 pm
The thing is, such a large social media platform doesn't falls that easily. Reddit will survive and be relatively okay, but lose substantial ground and monopoly. There will be competitors that freely allow 3rd party apps, after all.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on June 18, 2023, 03:44:45 am
I still don't get how Reddit is so popular I find the interface on it a pain in the ass and I can never find anything on it.

Also looking at it on a phone is a pain, if I wanted their dumb ass app I would have downloaded it, stop bitching at me for not using it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on June 18, 2023, 07:40:44 am
I still don't get how Reddit is so popular I find the interface on it a pain in the ass and I can never find anything on it.

Also looking at it on a phone is a pain, if I wanted their dumb ass app I would have downloaded it, stop bitching at me for not using it.
iirc it blew up at a time when its then-competitors like Digg (and traditional forums) were faltering, because for its time it had a better UI and features, and thus managed to claw out a near-monopoly, then kind of... coasted along once a critical mass of users was achieved. Then of course they got complacent and shot themselves in the foot, as social media companies are wont to do. Hubris is the main killer of such services.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on June 18, 2023, 08:28:56 am
I still don't get how Reddit is so popular I find the interface on it a pain in the ass and I can never find anything on it.

Also looking at it on a phone is a pain, if I wanted their dumb ass app I would have downloaded it, stop bitching at me for not using it.
This seems to be why so many people use third-party apps to access it, which is the crux of the recent issue.

I like the Reddit model even though I haven't posted in years.  It seems to make decent communities (as long as they don't grow too large to moderate) about specific topics or places.  I'm the kind of casual user who uses the app and website, and just reads posts for troubleshooting and videogame advice.

*I* am monetized, like most casual users/lurkers.  Reddit seems to be attempting to monetize the content-creators who draw people like me to the site, which is a choice.  let's see how it works out for them.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Robsoie on June 18, 2023, 10:34:34 am
The popularity of reddit comes from it being one of the biggest (in amount of users) forum system with subforum about any kind of discussion type and specifics subjects, so you're bound to find one with a subject/discussion that interest you. Also because it's popular it means there's a lot of informations and wiki that tons of people have contributed too.
And that's probably why the "blackout" backfired at some point because the mods that setup their subreddit to private in fact blocked those informations and wiki access to the users despite not owning any of that, they should just have made their board read-only instead.

Regarding the interface, old reddit is very usable (and fortunately still exist) , the problem comes from the new "mobile" interface they did a few years ago and set as the new default , and frankly that new UI is complete crap on PC.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on June 21, 2023, 07:07:38 pm
I should compile a list with all games that came out as early access, when, and when they got their full release if they did by now... hell you make that thing exhaustive and up to date you have an actual reason to generate traffic and have a little admoney on the side.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on June 24, 2023, 05:19:50 pm
DF magma is 2170 kg/m3 based on comparison to water in filled minecarts.

Did this guy call me fat?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ziusudra on June 24, 2023, 07:19:25 pm
Well, muscle is denser than fat (and fat is less dense than water) so really calling you beefy.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MCreeper on July 01, 2023, 09:10:26 pm
Pondering on metamorphoses of player character in Sunless Sea.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Zubmariner really went overboard in many ways.

In Sunless Skies those were replaced with collection of brain parasites. I believe PC can simultaneously have two with a brief intrusion of a third. Partially replaced,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on July 01, 2023, 11:14:06 pm
out of context that sounds like some weird fetishy shit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TamerVirus on July 02, 2023, 08:08:57 am
Anything can be weird fetishy shit if you think about it, ya know!  :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on July 04, 2023, 04:55:23 am
I feel like that should be one of those rules of the internet, but what number would it be?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 06, 2023, 05:26:24 am
I feel like that should be one of those rules of the internet, but what number would it be?

"Rule 34.whatever: If it exists, it is someones fetish."
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 06, 2023, 05:54:49 am
"Rule 34.whatever: If it exists, it is someones fetish."
[stares at ship of Theseus lustily clutching carpentry tools]
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on July 06, 2023, 06:48:47 am
Mmmmmh yes baby replace my wood
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on July 06, 2023, 11:29:36 am
"Rule 34.whatever: If it exists, it is someones fetish."
[stares at ship of Theseus lustily clutching carpentry tools]

[wandering farmer pauses]
Hey, that ain't no drill to screw. It's my feckin' hoe.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 06, 2023, 02:41:03 pm
Mmmmmh yes baby replace my wood

Sigged.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on July 06, 2023, 05:05:11 pm
"Rule 34.whatever: If it exists, it is someones fetish."
[stares at ship of Theseus lustily clutching carpentry tools]
Is this what cis people see when they fetishize us?  That would kinda rule :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 06, 2023, 05:52:18 pm
"Rule 34.whatever: If it exists, it is someones fetish."
[stares at ship of Theseus lustily clutching carpentry tools]
Is this what cis people see when they fetishize us?  That would kinda rule :P

If so...

 ;)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on July 07, 2023, 04:21:59 am
Some people just really love wood.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: lemon10 on July 07, 2023, 04:32:29 am
out of context that sounds like some weird fetishy shit.
Quote from: Boneless Consort description
What plastic passions are enflamed behind closed doors? Your love does not dare writhe its name in public.
Right, so *in* the context of Fallen London it can *totally* be weird fetishy shit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 07, 2023, 07:03:17 am
I am about to lose it. I don't know why, but I am about to go batshit insane.

The crazy genes are catching up to me.


haha


I N E E D T H E R A P Y
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 07, 2023, 02:26:59 pm
Mmmmmh yes baby replace my wood

Sigged.
mmmmmh yes baby sig their wood
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on July 08, 2023, 03:00:51 am
Mmmmmh yes baby replace my wood

Sigged.
mmmmmh yes baby sig their wood
Nice
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 08, 2023, 06:49:15 pm
... if it hasn't been done yet, someone should make a masocore platformer with, like... no feedback. Screen black, no sound, the only indications you're managing anything a "game over" or "stage complete" message. No visible menu, no options, probably awkward (can't be remapped, no controller support, etc.) control scheme, what font there probably wingdings filtered through zalgo or something, possibly with a chance of just lying to you to boot. Dozens, hundreds of levels of increasing complexity, all having to be memorized entirely through brute forcing it. Bossfights, probably RNG elements that make for inconsistent layouts, basically everything standard to masocore as an ethos, just... without visuals. Or audio. One of the more pure expressions of hostility to the player capable of being brought into existence.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 09, 2023, 07:40:37 am
how could one possibly believe in creatonism or intelligent design, in a world in which the hiccups exist
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 09, 2023, 11:06:00 am
It takes a disbelief in some portion of the old tri-omni conceptualization of the divine, mostly. Same as a lot of things about biology that's either remarkably dumb, maladaptive, or would be outright malicious if intentionally designed.

"God made man, but god is an incapable idiot asshole so man's pretty shit," basically.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ziusudra on July 09, 2023, 11:37:28 am
Except who's to say we've always been as we are now? May be we didn't used to get hiccoughs.

Now some thing like the recurrent laryngeal nerve (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve) is a bit harder to explain away.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 09, 2023, 11:51:17 am
Eh, with tri-omni "used to" is irrelevant; god had to plan for whatever came after, too.

'Course, the consideration for something like that should probably be about at the same level as that given to assholes that build planned obsolescence into their dryers and such, heh (i.e. it renders the benevolence peg nonsensical).

Though yeah, without tri-omni the idiot just didn't think ahead and built something that would eventually develop hiccups or whatev' without knowing what they were doing. It still works out if the designer's not all powerful, all knowing, and/or benevolent, but most conceptualizations of intelligent design I've seen are pretty leery about going, "Yeah, god built us but did a (possibly intentionally) terrible job so we're scuffed", heh.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ziusudra on July 09, 2023, 12:07:46 pm
Though trying to apply reason to the unreasonable is just as silly, so we're all fools.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 09, 2023, 02:05:17 pm
I had it when going to bed and I had it when waking up, I wonder if I had the hiccups during sleep.There can be no evolutionary advantage to it, it's just plain torture.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on July 09, 2023, 05:05:24 pm
There's no evolutionary advantage to it, but there's not enough risk to get all your ancestors killed, so it persists.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on July 10, 2023, 03:21:10 am
I thought hiccups exist because god hates us and wants us to suffer or something like that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MCreeper on July 10, 2023, 05:02:43 am
wrong thread
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on July 10, 2023, 10:25:23 pm
how could one possibly believe in creatonism or intelligent design, in a world in which the hiccups exist
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 15, 2023, 08:59:07 am
To assume the visitors organize themselves on whatsapp to cause as much trouble as possible is quite absurd, you could call it a psychotic breakdown, or a paranoid episode, schizophrenic! Sure sure I have no issues following the reason there.

But why did I know I would be confronted to an example so striking it borders on the comical? Yesterday they fucking lynched my woodcontainer, 1 trailer after the other, uninterrupted, to make sure I could not reasonably stack the wood, 90 minutes straight, left me with a big pile of mikado BS, heap higher than me and filled with enough holes to shelter my whole extended family from the rain. Not just bad, actively crap, took more effort to make it this crap than it would have to heave the wood barely above the border, and let it fall straight down.......

So I had a big tantrum and ordered that container bam like that, fuck it don't want to deal with another afwul saturday... Ok so then no more wood for the rest of the day yesterday, today also no wood... They come grab the container after I have been here for 6h45min, not a gram wood the whole day, so thing takes off weighing like 900kg whe  it should weigh 4 tons.

Trust me the second he was gone, I had not one but two trailer filled with wood. Fuck atomclocks if you want to be reeeeeaaaaally precise, set the clock after their intuition to show up at most inopportune moment, it is a fucking force of nature, strong nuclear force is like offbrand water soluble glue safe for children to use in comparison.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on July 16, 2023, 01:38:14 am
What do most people see when they look at body-horror artwork?
Presumably the same gruesome possibilities for oneself, of course...

But I don't know what the conclusion is, for them.
For me, it was always that I needed to pursue those possibilities.

And I've done so in such a tame way, at least, it feels tame to me!  I've *only* done a manual bypass on my endocrine system.  I haven't even pierced my ears, or written on my flesh.  Hell I'm still working up to cutting my hair!

It's so natural.  The most natural thing I've ever done in my life.
That's what I would see in a fleshy painting of eyes.
The gory things I'd see in my dreams...
Those visions stopped.
I'm me
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 16, 2023, 09:45:23 am
Hi Me I am Yu
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on July 16, 2023, 10:01:11 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAVnOz7i-JA
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 18, 2023, 10:32:55 am
Are video fidelity enthousiasts the new audiophiles?

Seems like when it comes to sound, most people have got the idea of "good enough" by now... I'd even say we are in a reverse trend: I see loads of people throwing away pretty decent, or even relatively high-end hifis and home cinemas, in order to replace them with soundbars with speakers that are a third of the diameter and a quarter of the ouput power.

Whereas when it comes to video it has been while that people are chasing resolutions, and sure hd ready was a scam and full HD has become the norm by now, which yes, you wouldn't want less than 1080p these days... sure, sure... But see the thing is @1080p60 24bit we are allready looking at a bitrate of 2,98gbit/s. Even now in 2023, a savemedium capable of writing 2,98gbit/s is not something trivial. I don't know of any camera that'll take pcie nvme drives.

Certainly compression exists, and does a good bounce forward every 2-3 years or so. I'm not the type to pretend a blue-ray isn't perfectly transparent. But I know the type of person who'd be kinda dissapointed if they had "only" a FLAC and would much rather have a WAV (flac is allready kind of silly and overkill).

So these people that bought a super expensive 4k tv ten years ago, and are now considering 8 or 16k in order to step up their TV game... Do they know that the best consumer grade signal that can be bought is around 100-150mbit/s (bluerays) and that most big production movies are shot in 2048x1556 or 2048x1080 (typically not RAW either but usually at like 300-400mbit)... Let's be really generous here and say 500mbit, that'd be like 1/24th of the bandwith of uncompressed 24bit 4k60fps. It must irk those number chasers, it is impossible that it wouldn't... Like that meme: if those kids could read they'd be very upset. Hehe. Hell netflix 4k mode tops out at 16mbit.

So ever since YT got too greedy I download every video onto my hardrive, so I got more aware of hoe much I use, and what's the treshold for my preferences. I never felt like going beyond 720p60... Which most of the time yield about 20mbit (Funny how sites that specialise in delivering on type of media are allways skimpy on the quality like it's not that long ago spotify got 320kbit mode. Before that they considered their 160kbit .ogg high quality, I honestly thought YT sounded better with less at that time.)


Anybody thinks there is a chance with might return to analog signals one day?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on July 20, 2023, 03:24:06 am
Anybody thinks there is a chance with might return to analog signals one day?
I'm sure we'll get need to when we have one of those apocalypse things people keep talking about.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 21, 2023, 06:01:39 am
Aw I was thinking more about miniaturized optic fibre interfaces with millions and millions of parrellel wires... Fair enough.



Skibidi toilet prediction: the badass plunger dual wielding cameraman will stick them into gman's or some other laser shooting toilet's eyes
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on July 22, 2023, 02:42:41 am
What is a Skibidi toilet, I've heard of it before and have no idea what it is beyond a head in a toilet.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 22, 2023, 07:35:49 am
Gmod machinima content that for some reason is wrecking havoc atm on the YT algorythm. I do not know what the creators relationship to that awful song is that makes up most of the OST, I watched it more than once but I am not sure, the entire thing is less than 25 minutes. Anyway the entire thing is kinda devolving into a big anime battle kinda thing, I think it's lighthearted fun and I enjoy it. There is like a minute added every 2-3 days it seems, but the episodes are getting longer than they were at the beginning.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on July 23, 2023, 09:54:35 am
Yeah sometimes you just get that lightning strike in a bottle that causes something to get way bigger than it ought to. But it is light hearted fun. Nice skibidi remix too (https://youtu.be/mX3P6oMz9i8)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 23, 2023, 11:33:12 am
every time i see that skibidi thing it's taking me a second to not read skibi

a pox upon reforged, bah
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on July 24, 2023, 03:49:33 am
I thought it looked like a GMod thing and being someone who enjoys GMod stuff I now must look into it further.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 27, 2023, 10:33:08 am
I mustn't have been paying attention this morning because it seem I drank the tallest glas of FU juice. Just went and pierced every electro thing with a hammer, GL wasting my time now after work. Purposefully did not look at a single visitor because it's super rainy so before 4pm I had as many cars as a normal day, one worse intentions then the other... But I don't think it's a fun to them when I don't care. Me on the smartphone encourages them, me lloking past them at the sky and the fields seems to trigger some real "look muuum".

The best part of the day, was that I catched a fly with a glassbottle and then I held the bottle towards the hiding place of my jumping spider. Amazingly I've held the bottle there for minutes, the fly must hav been afraid to get out. But then the spider walked in god that was so great, so I locked them in together, spider had a mild panic attack and tried to get back out, but then it started hunting, took it many tries the fly was very aware of the spider, at one point the even dodged the fly once? But she did manage and I started cheering like a madman, let out with her fly. I love jumping spiders so much, and also I cant find the arthopod thread anymore has that been deleted?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Ziusudra on July 27, 2023, 05:03:04 pm
also I cant find the arthopod thread anymore has that been deleted?
Huh, yeah, it was http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179747
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 30, 2023, 04:38:53 am
also I cant find the arthopod thread anymore has that been deleted?
Huh, yeah, it was http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179747

R.I.P Arthropod Thread
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 31, 2023, 11:10:13 am
Youthful Merry and Pippin went to Isengard where they met a community of ents. The community consisted of much older males. They were all males. The ents said they used to have wives, but for some reason those all left. The two hobbits spent their time drinking ent juice. They grew tall living with ents and drinking their juice, and now they fear no man.
Hidden pederasty  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece)agenda, is what I'm saying. #Cancel_LotR.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on July 31, 2023, 11:35:56 am
*mumbles something about merry and pippin getting that old wood*
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on July 31, 2023, 01:22:54 pm
Typical entwive shill. Shame on you for besmirching the good name of veterans.

Quote
During the First or Second Age they started to move farther away from the male Ents because they liked to plant and control small things like vegetables, grass and flowers, while the male Ents tended the larger trees of the great forest. The Entwives passed eastward over the Anduin and went to the region that would later become the Brown Lands. After Morgoth was overthrown, their gardens blossomed and they taught agriculture to the primitive Men and they honored them.[3]

Who took an interest in smaller beings, who approached smaller beings? Merry and Pippen came to the entmen not the other way around.

The natural order goes: plains-> bushes-> forests. So go on, make it make sense.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 01, 2023, 08:30:01 am
There's a lot of plant grooming going on here
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 01, 2023, 08:55:25 am
ok bloomer
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 03, 2023, 07:16:37 am
In the usa, italians are their own thing in the ethnic diaspora, and generally not thought of as latins, which is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 03, 2023, 05:33:55 pm
In the usa, italians are their own thing in the ethnic diaspora, and generally not thought of as latins, which is pretty funny.

I keep saying quebecois are latinos and people keep trying to silence me
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on August 07, 2023, 09:59:06 pm
Glass permits light, yet it's solid!
*places a cup on a horizontal plane of glass*
How are we okay with this??

"Oh but you can still see glass it's not actually invisible"
Okay smart person!  Dive into this swimming pool!
I'll tell you right now- it's full of panes of glass.
Why do you hesitate?  You see nothing amiss!  It looks like ordinary water!

It's possible that I've consumed too many Existential Comics lately.
https://existentialcomics.com/comic/481
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on August 07, 2023, 10:49:58 pm
It's fine for light to clip through solid things because light is Weird and does Weird things all the time. Such as travel at exactly the universal speed limit, like what the FUCK
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 08, 2023, 06:08:21 am
It's fine for light to clip through solid things because light is Weird and does Weird things all the time. Such as travel at exactly the universal speed limit, like what the FUCK
Isn't it nuts how there is even an upper limit to speed. Who wrote these rules anyways
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Great Order on August 08, 2023, 06:18:44 am
Just the constraints of the simulation to prevent any glitches or slowdowns.

Same for absolute zero and absolute hot.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 08, 2023, 08:36:43 am
Nah being entraped in time we couldnt notice changes to it's speed, like in DF the drawves can't know your fps, in their subjective world it is the next tick that counts... So it's more like the resolution of reality.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on August 08, 2023, 12:14:40 pm
The weirder thing is how solids stop light usually, a thing which for years people thought traveled through an ether. Especially the fact that ordered crystal structures will scramble light, but randomly arranged haphazard amorphous structures let light travel straight through.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on August 08, 2023, 09:41:37 pm
The weirder thing is how solids stop light usually, a thing which for years people thought traveled through an ether. Especially the fact that ordered crystal structures will scramble light, but randomly arranged haphazard amorphous structures let light travel straight through.
The irregularities in glass are on such a tiny level that they average out.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Great Order on August 08, 2023, 10:23:53 pm
Nah being entraped in time we couldnt notice changes to it's speed, like in DF the drawves can't know your fps, in their subjective world it is the next tick that counts... So it's more like the resolution of reality.
Ah, but the simulation-makers would witness the slowdown.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on August 10, 2023, 09:11:44 pm
Kitty litter is just the panko breading on dog treats
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 10, 2023, 10:28:04 pm
Kitty litter is just the panko breading on dog treats
It stays crunchy, even in milk.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Schmaven on August 11, 2023, 04:54:31 pm
Nah being entraped in time we couldnt notice changes to it's speed, like in DF the drawves can't know your fps, in their subjective world it is the next tick that counts... So it's more like the resolution of reality.
Ah, but the simulation-makers would witness the slowdown.

Light slows down to about 75% its max speed when travelling through water.  That's quite a significant decrease.  I wonder to what extent space dust / interstellar gasses slow down light as well?  I tried to find data about that, but instead ended up down a rabbit-hole about interstellar ramjets: using magnetic fields to funnel hydrogen from the interstellar medium into a fusion reactor.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on August 11, 2023, 05:12:25 pm
this (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/432428/what-is-the-upper-bound-for-the-index-of-refraction-of-space) puts the upper limit on the index of refraction of space at 1+10-13.

Basically the slowdown is nonzero, but it's very small.

(For reference, water's index of refraction is about 1.3 as you said; diamond is very high, at 2.4)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on August 11, 2023, 06:58:43 pm
I hate Rafadan Tayfa. Not in a "this sucks and it is awful" kinda way.

You know that feeling when you look at something really cute and want to kill it violently? That is my hatred for this stupid fucking kids show. The characters are annoyingly good at endearing themselves to the viewer, and their faces are so baby-like.

I love it. I want to tear it apart.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Schmaven on August 11, 2023, 09:04:33 pm
this (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/432428/what-is-the-upper-bound-for-the-index-of-refraction-of-space) puts the upper limit on the index of refraction of space at 1+10-13.

Basically the slowdown is nonzero, but it's very small.

(For reference, water's index of refraction is about 1.3 as you said; diamond is very high, at 2.4)

The most extreme I found was germanium at 4.0 - 4.1 which interestingly, is used in fiber optic cables.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 12, 2023, 03:08:03 am
I hate Rafadan Tayfa. Not in a "this sucks and it is awful" kinda way.

You know that feeling when you look at something really cute and want to kill it violently? That is my hatred for this stupid fucking kids show. The characters are annoyingly good at endearing themselves to the viewer, and their faces are so baby-like.

I love it. I want to tear it apart.
Wanting to murder the shit out of kids cartoon characters is the healthy and natural response to most kids cartoons.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 12, 2023, 04:50:44 am
When I'm elected king my first decree will be the forbiddance of screaming, shouting, and hollering in all children's cartoons forever
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 12, 2023, 05:14:04 am
I would ban children's cartoons altogether. Those I like I'd proclaim adult cartoons.

Hmm. Come to think of it, maybe banning children would be simpler.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on August 15, 2023, 12:24:28 am
Observations show that moths that acquire the lamp and do not die (because its an LED), will sit on the lamp and do nothing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Jopax on August 15, 2023, 04:10:14 am
A friend was talking about some stuff that's happening in the world that apparently the Simpsons predicted a decade ago, which reminded me of the other times that happened and it got me thinking of a story idea.

So there's this shadowy cabal of massive Simpsons fans that's working behind the scenes of the world at large that's trying to make as many of the random things the show 'predicted' come true. Orchestrating revolutions, murders, rises to fame and pretty much everything else they can to align the world to the one in the show. Once it's perfectly aligned the eldritch entity that embodies the show will manifest in our reality and do something or other.
A different twist on cosmic horrors invading reality I'd say.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 16, 2023, 03:48:30 am
And then the world will be swallowed by goofy yellow comic tentacles... Reality outrunning satire checks out. Careful with those hypotheses.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on August 16, 2023, 04:35:34 am
That moment when you realize that Cthulhu isn't as powerful an eldritch entity as Homer Simpson is.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on August 16, 2023, 05:07:39 am
Observations show that moths that acquire the lamp and do not die (because its an LED), will sit on the lamp and do nothing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 16, 2023, 07:12:45 am
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 16, 2023, 11:19:49 am
Simply Irresistible (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simply_Irresistible_(song)) is a song about meeting someone into pegging for the first time and finding out you're really, really into it. "Breaking every law" includes the sodomy laws that were still on the books in the states at a minimum when it was released.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Laterigrade on August 16, 2023, 11:06:24 pm
Simply Irresistible (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simply_Irresistible_(song)) is a song about meeting someone into pegging for the first time and finding out you're really, really into it.
Wow, I didn’t know that. I wonder if Mary Harron meant something by putting it in the cab scene in American Psycho.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on August 17, 2023, 12:00:22 am
Uh, just to make sure it's clear, I'm not saying that with anything approaching actual authority or likely accuracy. It was just a random thought on hearing the song again after a long period of not. It's not impossible it's true, but I'm not aware of anything regarding Palmer that makes it particularly likely (sadly? It's a much spicier and subversive song if it's true, which is generally pretty neat).

... it really does fit remarkably well from the presentation and the lyrics, though. Almost all of it fits really well into a femdom framing at a minimum, and a fair amount of how it's phrased suggests pretty strongly the "inscrutable methods" involve penetration happening to the singer for the first time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 17, 2023, 12:49:29 pm
"there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" is like: sigh yeah so? unproductive statement that can do nothing but increase the mental burden on the individual at no benefit, since no next course of action can be derived from it...


ON THE OTHER HAND


"there exists no ethical tourism" is still largely considered too extreme of a position to hold, even by radical leftists but there we have some truism that should be fairly obvious to everybody and that is extremly actionable. Sure travel is a normal fact of life, we need to get from A to B and and we get to choose what A and B represent without having to justify a necessity... But tourism is not travel, tourism is the commodification of travel and besides a bit of employment, provides nothing to us as a collective. Whereas it's disadvantages are all too obvious.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 17, 2023, 10:12:11 pm
I was thinking about this just now in the actual shower, and I felt like it deserved an airing.

So, for mystifying reasons, many people refuse to accept that Columbus had no earthly clue where he had ended up and continue to refer to native Americans as "Indians". They also, like everyone else, call Indians "Indians". This is actually sort of fascinating. Not in and of itself, but because, notwithstanding, nobody (within margin of error) confuses the two - you never hear horror stories of anyone making an awkward attempt to engage his Mumbaikar doctor in small talk about peace pipes or pueblos. Regardless of using the same word, people still recognize the distinction right in front of their faces; even though all Indians are Indians, Indians are not the same as Indians. We might say, Indians· are not the same as Indians*.
That may sound obvious, but it's interesting because it underscores the fact that Orwell was wrong. Language doesn't control thought. Words are just arbitrary content-free symbols that don't actually "mean" anything - and replacing one word with another consistently is a semantic null-op. Despite using the same word, people will look at one person and see that person, and at another person and see a different person - adding native Americans to the colloquial definition of "Indian" in the 15th century didn't change how people thought about Indians, but how people thought about the word.
Naturally, this means that the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis was always obviously fraudulent, in case anyone ever really believed that. I think it's a pretty uplifting message, that Newspeak wouldn't actually work and calling something by a name doesn't change the thing or how people view it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 18, 2023, 05:32:15 am
Linguists hate him. See how with this one simple shower thought MS has exposed their fraudulent claims.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on August 18, 2023, 08:36:19 am
Speaking of language:
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699914172292399124/1142088360387690546/image.png)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on August 18, 2023, 10:56:35 am
Yeah: https://xkcd.com/771/
I like when a setting plays with that, like the Chinese vernacular in Firefly or all the new words in Cyberpunk or Shadowrun.  But adding vocabulary like that puts an onus on the reader to figure it out.  Some fantasy stories go waaaay too far with it.

As for native or First Nations people being called Indians, it certainly confused me when I was young.  Who knows what biases I still have from thinking that way as I developed?

It also seems disrespectful and most of the people directly involved seem to think so too.  Like claiming Romani people are from Egypt, for example.  Better to be accurate, or respectful, or even both! :o
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 18, 2023, 11:15:15 am
German solved it, one is Inder, the other is Indianer.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 18, 2023, 12:20:41 pm
No, Swedes solved it: one is indier, the other indianer
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 18, 2023, 12:21:53 pm
That just sounds like someone from Indiana.

Oh yeah, also, virtually no linguists actually believe the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis anyway. As a group, they're almost pathologically conservative about claims like that. So they're much more likely to agree than to hate me for my one weird trick. :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 18, 2023, 12:41:00 pm
More indy than who?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: voliol on August 18, 2023, 01:24:37 pm
I think people from Indiana would be... "indiananer" in Swedish? So a secret third option. Though really it's not a word I've ever heard someone say; people from the USA tend to be grouped together as "amerikaner" or "jänkare" over here.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 18, 2023, 01:27:20 pm
I think people from Indiana would be... "indiananer" in Swedish? So a secret third option. Though really it's not a word I've ever heard someone say; people from the USA tend to be grouped together as "amerikaner" or "jänkare" over here.
That obviously means a banana from India.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on August 18, 2023, 01:29:23 pm
I was just checking... Apparantly people from indiana are called hoosier... like universally (ok that wiki article only exists in english, french, german, dutch, esperanto and russian and I can't read cyrillic). Which... weird but ok then.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on August 18, 2023, 01:34:07 pm
I was just checking... Apparantly people from indiana are called hoosier... like universally (ok that wiki article only exists in english, french, german, dutch, esperanto and russian and I can't read cyrillic). Which... weird but ok then.
Speaking as an American, at least in my part of the country, that's a jokey nickname, not something you'd actually call an Indianan in a formal context.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on August 18, 2023, 01:44:50 pm
In Turkish, you just add "-lı/-li" suffix.

İngiltere = England
Ingiltereli = English/British

İndiana = Indiana
İndiana = Ones from Indiana /"Indiana-ian"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 18, 2023, 05:28:07 pm
Oh yeah, also, virtually no linguists actually believe the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis anyway. As a group, they're almost pathologically conservative about claims like that. So they're much more likely to agree than to hate me for my one weird trick. :P
As it was originally stated, sure. In that it was too strong - sort of ascribing nearly mind control-like, dictatorial powers to language. I suspect nobody does take that seriously. But then again, it was just a hypothesis. A fanciful idea without any tangible support. What it did, is spawn a field of research in linguistics studying how language affects (rather than dictates) thought. It's more subtle in its claims, but it's a thing.
I don't know what's happening there now, but some dozen years ago one of the leading/most visible in the media names was Lera Boroditsky. Her talks and popular articles should still be on youtube or elsewhere.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on August 18, 2023, 08:41:16 pm
calling something by a name doesn't change the thing or how people view it.

You can get people to say they agree with a thing when they think they're agreeing with something else, however. Just changing how you phrase a question in polling can drastically skew results, for example.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on August 19, 2023, 05:02:14 am
I think people from Indiana would be... "indiananer" in Swedish? So a secret third option. Though really it's not a word I've ever heard someone say; people from the USA tend to be grouped together as "amerikaner" or "jänkare" over here.

Indianare? Indianáare?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on August 25, 2023, 12:13:07 pm
I can't stop thinking about this.

English: "Is the principal a principal?"

Turkish translation: "Müdür müdür müdür?"

LMAO
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on September 02, 2023, 07:15:32 am
Counting together the saturdays I still have to survive it's longer than what time I had to get over the tear in my foots joint capsule, which still flares up after about 5km of walking or equivalent effort... which still hasnt unswollen to the same size as the other foot.

I have problems, and I deal with them in the worst way possible, and that's on me and it's fair to withhold empathy on the basis of that... But like there it fucking is: I have no sense of proportion... mmh yes so reasonable, more noticetime to fill in more cash get closer to schedule change for the worse (saturdays remain, instead mondays off and have the other days ressemble more to a saturday, big nope) yes big adulting time compromise, redefine your way to success.

It has been two months I injured myself do I want it to feel like it does today in december still? Nobody is going to give me my physical and mental health back, and wtf am I going to build my quad in winter for?! So I need to build a shed allready before actually using the cursed bicycle.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 09, 2023, 05:36:51 pm
I can't stop thinking about this.

English: "Is the principal a principal?"

Turkish translation: "Müdür müdür müdür?"

LMAO
Murdur? Murdur? Murdur? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KbvBayqPH4)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on October 03, 2023, 07:52:59 am
So there are recently some more "youth movements" suing governments about climate change, citing things such as human rights violations, needing to escalate banning carbon-based fuels, etc.

I'm not sure I understand the human rights angle.  I can see a stewardship angle, or a public health angle, but human rights feels like a stretch.

I'm also cynically not sure those youth understand that, in all likelihood, they literally would not be able to eat if there was no carbon-based fuel.  The only reason they exist is very likely because of the fossil-fuel industry they deride.  Feels kind of ironic in a way.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on October 03, 2023, 08:35:03 am
People who exist because of unsustainable growth can still say "maybe this unsustainable growth is bad".  Especially when they live in the imperial core, where the growth and quality of life (yes, THEIR quality of life) was and is made possible by wealth extraction from de-facto colonies.

It's actually not hypocritical to criticize bad practices which benefit them.  Some would say it's a moral responsibility once they understand what's going on.

The use of hydrocarbons is not inherently racist or colonial, but it sure does facilitate and demand wealth extraction from "poor" yet resource-rich areas to maintain the expected unsustainable growth.  This situation obviously gets worse over time.  Some of the public health issues leak into the core, which hopefully wakes people (usually young people, not "youth movements" but youth movements) to the REAL COST of life in the core.  The cost to themselves, to the climate, and disproportionately to the people at home but mostly abroad who suffer to keep this engine turning ever faster.

The latter cost is largely measured in human rights violations, yes.  Nobody who can afford the time to be informed is actually skeptical of that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 03, 2023, 08:55:28 am
Going through the courts is per definition unserious... I think the youngins should collectively unsubscribe to being organ donors.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on October 03, 2023, 09:32:23 am
So I agree that abusive business practices and abusive governments are human rights issues. But I don't think fixing climate policy will address human rights issues, so it confounds two real problems.

"Fixing" climate change won't eliminate human rights violations.  "Fixing" human rights violations won't address climate change.

. . .

I was just getting ready to comment that climate change is really an economic issue, not a rights issue.  But then I realized that perhaps all economic issues are indeed human rights issues, because economic issues often boil down to what you let individuals do, what agency you give them, and how you restrict (or don't) access to resources, and how you manage the side effects of use of resources and waste (as in, low-value byproducts of other economic activity).  So I may change my stance.  Thinking on it some more.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 03, 2023, 10:03:30 am
I think it's just a weak argument, not that it's wrong, but it's a little to real, too obvious, too logic that could come from a child (I don't say that derogatively, most 10 y.o. would probably be just rulers, our shit mindset has to be learned)...


The only way that could ever work is with a collective feindbild (concept of ennemy) and in no way shape or form is this clown society ever going to be based enough to simply agree that that biggest beneficiaries are the people who most likely need to serve as scapegoats... We're all guilty but the symbolism would matter like when they throw the book at some random shlob to send a sign. There will be no nuremberg process for big oil executives... We will nuancetoll the dictionnary into utter insignificance before that happens.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on October 03, 2023, 10:15:27 am
So I agree that abusive business practices and abusive governments are human rights issues. But I don't think fixing climate policy will address human rights issues, so it confounds two real problems.

"Fixing" climate change won't eliminate human rights violations.  "Fixing" human rights violations won't address climate change.

. . .

I was just getting ready to comment that climate change is really an economic issue, not a rights issue.  But then I realized that perhaps all economic issues are indeed human rights issues, because economic issues often boil down to what you let individuals do, what agency you give them, and how you restrict (or don't) access to resources, and how you manage the side effects of use of resources and waste (as in, low-value byproducts of other economic activity).  So I may change my stance.  Thinking on it some more.
Huh... yeah I think I agree with all that.  I think if you drill far enough into any human rights issue, it becomes about resource distribution and thus economics.  Certainly when it comes to geopolitics and also domestic labor negotiation.

Even the patriarchy which fuels misogyny and queerphobia is all about control, and isn't that need for control a result of fear of scarcity?  Maybe I'm being a LITTLE reductionist there.  (I'm being very reductionist there, but also optimistic).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on October 03, 2023, 05:46:39 pm
For what it's worth, at least part of the uptick in litigation probably comes from the UN's (least I think it was the UN, it was one of the major international orgs if not them specifically) fairly recent recognition of AGW as systemic violence against children (which it 100% is, both in terms of who gets hit hardest and who's going to have to deal with that shit later). There's probably more of a basis (or at least visibility and subsequent willingness) to take that shit to court because of that.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on October 03, 2023, 11:39:03 pm
Cheesecake is pie.

The opposite of "woke" is "sloop". Sailing is the least woke activity there is.



The use of hydrocarbons is not inherently racist or colonial, but it sure does facilitate and demand wealth extraction from "poor" yet resource-rich areas to maintain the expected unsustainable growth.

As opposed to mining rare earth metals required for solar, wind, and Li-ion batteries? With child and slave labor?

Hydrocarbons are at least widely available in the developed world. Some sources are in wildlife preserves, which is the stewardship issue, not human rights.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 05, 2023, 03:05:06 am
As opposed to mining rare earth metals required for solar, wind, and Li-ion batteries? With child and slave labor?
I've also read about that, apparently they mine that shit by hand with no safety stuff and slowly die from the dust the crap kicks up while mining it.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 05, 2023, 07:21:23 am
that sounded off, I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure lithium tends to not be mined by hand in most operations, you mean cobalt which is used in some batteries but increasingly less so because of the costs associated with it, lithium is comparatively plentiful and usually seperated from sand with techniques that involve water
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on October 05, 2023, 05:54:48 pm
The recent push of litigation, like always, is the combination of funding to assist the litigators and media attention on the issue.

In layman's terms, it's a publicity stunt. Anyone remember when God was sued?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MCreeper on October 05, 2023, 07:46:56 pm
Reading "Princess: The Hopeful" rulebook in place of a proper book before sleep. Random sleep-deprived thoughts:
1) "I'm going to save the world! And by world I mean AMERICA!" Well, what is there to expect from presumably american fanfic writers writing about presumably american wannabe superheroes?
2) They seem to both expect reader to know base WoD by heart and have put in way too little links. Pretty confusing read, that.
3) From outsider's perspective, tabletop RPGs uncannily resemble Dominions modding - it is easier to make Yet Another Obscure Game than to ever play one. Any one.
4) There are often both staggeringly high and staggeringly low examples of lives and goals in the same sentence. But those are, ah, examples.
5) Haven't read to the part that tells how that it is supposed to happen (it is a rambling read, although i assume the answer is the same as direct communication with dieties in D&D - basically never), but it must be kinda rough on a DM to impersonate a Queen, which is to say, manifest perfection. But not for long, not really, and disrepancy between character and player stats is known and expected, so consequence for doing it totally wrong is "Come on, man!", not being torn limb from limb as it would be IRL.

Only somewhat related to the above:
I will try to wait at least 7 hours before starting the game. I will wait at most 24h.
I can't.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 06, 2023, 02:26:48 am
you mean cobalt
Yeah that's the one, couldn't remember what it was at the time other than it had something to do with the batteries.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on October 16, 2023, 06:18:29 pm
Trying to get a romance subplot started in writing is hard. Especially without making it sound like the characters are sock puppets.

I mean in my case, one of them is an alien with a culture with different attitudes towards love so that can help cover up the awkwardness but it's still clunky.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on October 16, 2023, 06:23:31 pm
I think the best advice I've ever seen on that front, is "When in doubt, don't. You don't actually need a romance subplot."

There's also just keeping it offscreen as much as possible. If you can't write it, don't write it, just make some kind of oblique mention or have characters stand closer to each other than they used to or something. Folks in a relationship can be pretty private, so lean on that and don't force yourself to write something awkward :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on October 16, 2023, 06:43:38 pm
I think the best advice I've ever seen on that front, is "When in doubt, don't. You don't actually need a romance subplot."

There's also just keeping it offscreen as much as possible. If you can't write it, don't write it, just make some kind of oblique mention or have characters stand closer to each other than they used to or something. Folks in a relationship can be pretty private, so lean on that and don't force yourself to write something awkward :P
Well part of why I'm doing it is to learn because I never really wrote one before, and I learn by practice.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Schmaven on October 16, 2023, 06:57:12 pm
Trying to get a romance subplot started in writing is hard. Especially without making it sound like the characters are sock puppets.

I am reminded of the song 'Subplots' by Jack Johnson
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 20, 2023, 10:20:17 am
Boomer jokes about marriage are not an age thing, nor are they a relict of the past. The folks who were in their prime somewhere in the 80-90's have simply been stricken by the generation of most terminally menopausal, overboardingly entitled, women to ever flaunt their way past an education.


There will be a historical spike in unsufferability, only their direct daughters will ever be able to compete somewhere near that level: those who currently are 50-60 and those who are currently 30-40 are several levels more slappable than anybody older, younger or in between. It's basically lead + tv brain and their torchcarriers.




Next time I spot that signature facial expression I'm going to interrupt them mid sentence to tell them to ask somebody whom they would be capable of believing and stop wasting both our time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on October 21, 2023, 05:14:17 pm
I feel like dragdeler's content is disproportionately ageist...


Or maybe I'm mixing forum users up again.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on October 21, 2023, 09:10:08 pm
Don't forget the sexism. And general levels of hate and bitterness.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 21, 2023, 10:10:53 pm
oh are we finally acknowledging this particular elephant
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on October 21, 2023, 10:36:58 pm
I'd considered it before but it sounded like work.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: bloop_bleep on October 22, 2023, 01:57:59 am
I can't speak to any ageism or sexism because most of the time I have no idea. Just no clue.

It feels like that's largely intentional as dragdeler just wants to vent, which is where all the concentrated bitterness comes from. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on October 22, 2023, 02:27:20 am
I don't see anything wrong with what dragdeler says.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on October 22, 2023, 04:45:19 pm
It can be all kinds of generrally unpleasant to unpack and wrong, but it sits right there on the edge... As if I am merely a provocateur. I... just go on without me leave me here macho movie trope.

I'm a lost case, and a bad rolemodel, and a nutjob, and just because I have a tendency to land on my feet after these rhetorical tumbles doesn't mean I am particularly proud of this online presence I've created myself here.

What if we're all right with what has been stated and that is just generally annoying. God knows with all my human interractions IRL I tried to reserve my judgements until after they left, but yeah I think it actually will be more dignified for all parties involved if I refuse service on the basis of such superficialities as certain signature facial expressions that I associate to certain demographics being difficult (there is comparable telltale signs for other demographics too with whom I have had less problems statistically)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on October 25, 2023, 05:54:10 am
Y'know, I don't know if it's a common bit of sound design I've just not been noticing (mostly because I tend to play with things muted, these days), but watching a speedrun of Spike McFang (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY5kX8RnQHs), one thing that's really stood out that I've definitely never paid attention to is that they, like... give the characters voices, in a game without voiced lines.

There's a sound effect for when text scrolls, basically, and the little type-y ding-y thing is different for different characters. It really stood out with a cat-themed boss character, that had a very distinct meow-y twang to its text-beeping, but every character since I noticed the effect has had a different one.

And, like. That's really slick sound design when you're working with a limited sound palette, in particular? That is a remarkable bit of detail, and I can't recall ever encountering it before, even back when I regularly played stuff like McFang (or JRPGs, or whatever involves text boxes like that). It's neat!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on October 25, 2023, 06:26:16 am
Huh!  I'm so used to that being a thing in Celeste that I sorta back-remembered it as a JRPG staple.  Almost positive it was in Undertale too.  But maybe it was really rare in classic console games?  I'm not sure!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on October 25, 2023, 06:37:47 am
Oh... now that you mention it, I do remember Celeste having that? I think? I've watched folks play a few times (actually own the game through some bundle or another, but, uh, precision platformers and me do not get along even a little, nowadays in particular), but... I just don't pay much attention to sound design these days, even when I don't just have the whatever muted.

Back when I spent time playing literally every JRPG* on the SNES, though (back then, I didn't mute as consistently, heh), I don't remember it being much of a thing. It wouldn't be surprising if it was actually pretty common, like... after... the SNES era, just due to expanded capabilities, though? Or if it had been common and I just wasn't paying attention enough to notice, heh.

E: Yes, even the ones not in english. Very, very few to completion, but an hour or two to check things out? The entire SNES JRPG library, years ago. There was a few years in the late 90s, early 00s I had sunk an hour or two into every roguelike in existence at the time, too, heh, but there's a lot more of the things nowadays, and far more of them are paywalled.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 02, 2023, 09:38:02 am
It's high time we get a new designation for wrongness... We got confidently incorrect, patently wrong, woe- and blissfully ignorant but how to neatly pack into two words: you just constructed that whole bit around your worldview, a worldview which hinders you from fully grasping the topic...

Pseudointellectually baggaged?


Like that redditor I saw today, quoting from Mein Kampf, to reach way way out to imply Hitler hated muslims, when in that same book somewhere Hitler expresses his "admiration for the muhamedians", I know that because that is the singular time I have ever seen that word. I mean damn the nazis had a friendship treay with turkey until 1945.


Like I get where they were coming from sure, a totalitarian regime built on such viscious racism would have sooner or later turned on anything that isn't snow white... Still you're wrong stfu did you even read your own quote the relationship is a total reach.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on November 02, 2023, 01:42:30 pm
I think the term you're looking for is "unfounded certainty."

It covers a huge swath of post-modernism nonsense.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: sodafoutain on November 03, 2023, 10:49:02 am
Pseudointellectually baggaged would do wonders, though.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 03, 2023, 12:12:34 pm
Pseudoineffectual cabbage.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 03, 2023, 12:22:25 pm
Pseudoineffectual cabbage.

Yum!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 03, 2023, 01:20:57 pm
Yeah... it doesn't feel like unfounded certainty fills the boots, but I have to admit it kinda fits.




Pseudoinneffective is an absolute beauty of a word, I shall strive to live the pseudoinneffective path.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on November 03, 2023, 03:02:04 pm
One of us one of us one of us...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on November 04, 2023, 09:41:07 am
Trolley problem but the one person tied the others down, and could leave his track at any time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 04, 2023, 09:53:56 am
Carpooling?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 05, 2023, 01:18:34 am
But does it count as carpooling if you tie them to the front of the car?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on November 08, 2023, 07:58:16 pm
Maybe as long as you drop them off at their destination
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on November 08, 2023, 09:09:01 pm
There's that moment of remembrance that, somewhere out there, there's laws against strapping even willing people to the front of a car and driving them around... because someone actually did it, and it caused problems somehow or another.

Does kinda' make me wonder if you could build a car/car attachment that would make that actually relatively safe and non-horrible of a transit experience, though. It'd probably look silly.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on November 08, 2023, 11:24:06 pm
When I was a kid I thought "Holla Back Girl" was actually "Hollow Back Girl" which made me think of eldritch women with gaping holes where their spine and ribs should be, and no internal organs. I also thought this was somehow a metaphor for prostitution, and wondered how having no internal organs became associated with sex work.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 09, 2023, 02:35:29 am
Wait it isn't Hollow back girl and a song about prostitutes, because I also thought that's what it was.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on November 09, 2023, 07:25:21 am
having no internal organs became associated with sex work.
I mean, for what it's worth, that connection actually kinda' exists? Or at least improbable internal structures of similar intent; you can see an example in Baltimore Whores (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL-iOj4JJQU) (song's mostly lacking in outright vulgarity, but it's definitely NSFW), which culminates with a prostitute boasting about a fleet of ships sailing in to her nethers and getting lost for several months.

General concept is explaining how they take so many varied things into varied orifices, basically, with missing organs being a partial justification. Could swear there's some weird demon-type critters leaning into that in real world mythology, even, though I can't remember anything specific off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 09, 2023, 08:08:30 am
Succubi?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on November 09, 2023, 08:20:48 am
Nah, they're not usually depicted as missing any internal bits or weird junk like that. Whatever it is I'm half-remembering, it's odder than that, probably from european or asian folklore stuff.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 09, 2023, 09:31:14 am
Nah, they're not usually depicted as missing any internal bits or weird junk like that. Whatever it is I'm half-remembering, it's odder than that, probably from european or asian folklore stuff.
COS I AINT NO HOLLABACK GIRL I AINT NO HOLLABACK GIRL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penanggalan)

I think there is a Japanese one where they have the whole body, but are missing the back. They look very attractive from the front but will kill you if you look at them from behind where you can see, they are in fact a hollow back girl
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 09, 2023, 03:28:35 pm
Swedish folklore has the Skogsrĺ or Skogsfrun (Forest-Ruler and Lady of the Forest respectively), which is a spirit that appears as a beautiful, possibly naked, woman with a few telltale traits that she isn't human such as a troll's tail. Often she is depicted as hollow, in the way that a hollow tree is hollow, which could only be seen from her having a hole in her back that she would hide. She was a dangerous creature that enjoyed playing with people and could make them wander lost in the forest, trick or hurt them.

(https://i.imgur.com/mtZ7x82.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Xx4xCgJ.jpeg)

I'm not super certain but i think it is likely that as her name implies in earlier permutations of the myth she was the personification and/or ruler of the forest itself, but in much of the later (ie 17th-19th century) folklore that was preserved she has lost some of the "regality" that would imply. She has a few "sister spirits" like for example the Bergsrĺ/Bergsfrun (Mountain-ruler/Lady of the Mountain respectively) which retained their "we have to respect and revere these spirits and they will aid us or else they will become angry with us and hurt us" atmosphere.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on November 15, 2023, 05:01:58 pm
Why. Just... why. Is the windshield wiper controls not also light controls. There's, like. No. Situation where your wipers should be turned on and your lights off.

So, just. Take that out of drivers' hands, it's clearly too many steps for like half the people on the road. Turning on wipers should also turn on lights.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on November 15, 2023, 10:09:01 pm
What? No, please do not encourage coupled controls.

Also, apparently you don’t use your washer fluid or have a car splash a puddle on you: there are *many* situations which warrant a swipe of the wipers without a need to change wiper state. Plus daytime running lights are pretty bright these days.

And nighttime lamps, even low beams, are now bright enough that they should be regulated… oncoming traffic is basically a hazard now at night with the LED lamps.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 16, 2023, 04:11:27 am
I hate the LED head lights, damned things are like having the brights on even when they aren't.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on November 16, 2023, 08:40:31 am
It's crazy - I will often flash my lights at people thinking they have their brights on - and then they flash their brights back at me.  Because of course I didn't need what little vision I had...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 16, 2023, 12:27:42 pm
They need those lights.
That's why you are in direct competition with the rest of society.
Because if it's not you it will be them.



You can substract every individual's personal drama from the sum of things, it's irrelevant at scale, the entirety needs to be thought of in terms of game theoretical advantages. That's why we can't have nice things, that's why we don't deserve to be saved.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 17, 2023, 03:44:23 am
I will often flash my lights at people thinking they have their brights on - and then they flash their brights back at me.
I've never really tried to do that since most of the people that do it to me do it right as I'm passing them so they purposely blind me.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 17, 2023, 04:58:22 pm
I just realized that I am the 428th in the post count list.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 17, 2023, 07:11:12 pm
oh no


i need to be overtaken by at least a few thousand users.. the posting button is on the bottom right folks
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on November 17, 2023, 07:53:09 pm
Took me a while to figure out how to find that count... I'm 537.  Huh.  Really low on posts per day though :D
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on November 17, 2023, 09:22:11 pm
Thing I noticed is if you sort the member page by post count, I, uh, am the one on the first page with the oldest registration date.

Next oldest is toonyman, a few months later in '08.

There's some other '07s on the second page, though. Didn't check to see how far back you have to go to find '06 or earlier...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 18, 2023, 03:20:39 am
I noticed that I'm the newest member on the first page of the post counts by having joined in 2017 with the next newest guy having joined in 2015.

I'm also right under Frumple on that page as well.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 18, 2023, 04:44:39 am
Yes these are reassuring figures, you're forumites im just an intruder.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 18, 2023, 05:34:58 am
Yes these are reassuring figures, you're forumites im just an intruder.

One of us.

One of us.

ONE OF US!

ONE OF US!!!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on November 20, 2023, 04:28:17 pm
Now that Microsoft has purchased both Activision and has "acquired" Sam Altman, what are the Vegas Odds on Microsoft being the company that literally creates Skynet and ends the world, given the probability of AI training itself on Call of Duty?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 21, 2023, 03:15:44 am
Now that Microsoft has purchased both Activision and has "acquired" Sam Altman, what are the Vegas Odds on Microsoft being the company that literally creates Skynet and ends the world, given the probability of AI training itself on Call of Duty?

none-zero
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 21, 2023, 04:01:06 am
WE'RE ALL DOOMED!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 21, 2023, 05:00:07 am
Swedish folklore has the Skogsrĺ or Skogsfrun (Forest-Ruler and Lady of the Forest respectively), which is a spirit that appears as a beautiful, possibly naked, woman with a few telltale traits that she isn't human such as a troll's tail. Often she is depicted as hollow, in the way that a hollow tree is hollow, which could only be seen from her having a hole in her back that she would hide. She was a dangerous creature that enjoyed playing with people and could make them wander lost in the forest, trick or hurt them.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm not super certain but i think it is likely that as her name implies in earlier permutations of the myth she was the personification and/or ruler of the forest itself, but in much of the later (ie 17th-19th century) folklore that was preserved she has lost some of the "regality" that would imply. She has a few "sister spirits" like for example the Bergsrĺ/Bergsfrun (Mountain-ruler/Lady of the Mountain respectively) which retained their "we have to respect and revere these spirits and they will aid us or else they will become angry with us and hurt us" atmosphere.
Sounds much like how Pan lost a lot of his regality over time as he gradually became the drunk spirit of madness

Something amusing in how lots of human cultures seem to have had a nature spirit they revered, but over time grew to associate with fear and mystery

I noticed that I'm the newest member on the first page of the post counts by having joined in 2017 with the next newest guy having joined in 2015.

I'm also right under Frumple on that page as well.
I need to visit the forum games section more often. Lots of posters up there who have stopped visiting the lower boards. Need to open up a general discussion embassy or something to promote lower board tourism
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 21, 2023, 05:13:35 am
I need to visit the forum games section more often. Lots of posters up there who have stopped visiting the lower boards. Need to open up a general discussion embassy or something to promote lower board tourism

Oh yeah, great idea. We could definitely use more people down there.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 21, 2023, 07:10:30 am
Oh yeah, great idea. We could definitely use more people down there.
Or we could go up there. Be assimilated into one big pathos
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 21, 2023, 07:17:06 am
Oh yeah, great idea. We could definitely use more people down there.
Or we could go up there. Be assimilated into one big pathos

lol

Then we shall coalesce into the PATHOS GESTALT.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 21, 2023, 07:54:00 am
I don't want new people down here. I'd have to put on some pants and I don't remember where I left them.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 21, 2023, 08:07:10 am
I don't want new people down here. I'd have to put on some pants and I don't remember where I left them.

Then get pants, guests are coming.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 21, 2023, 08:11:37 am
How do I get pants? I can't leave the house without pants.
...
Can I?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on November 21, 2023, 09:10:56 am
Oh yeah, great idea. We could definitely use more people down there.
Or we could go up there. Be assimilated into one big pathos

lol

Then we shall coalesce into the PATHOS GESTALT.

Ich bin Pathos, das kleines Forumite. Ich komme aus Forums, liegt direkt am Bay12!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on November 21, 2023, 09:29:09 am
Pee pa pathos
Pathos pathos papps
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 22, 2023, 03:57:44 am
Pathos is love, Pathos is life.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on November 22, 2023, 04:44:20 am
Pathos is love, Pathos is life.

Live, Love, Pathos
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on November 26, 2023, 01:43:41 am
The female counterpart to dickbutt, pussyass, is too vulgar to post on any website not dedicated to porn. A very rare meme indeed.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on November 26, 2023, 05:06:35 am
cockass =/= dickbutt
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on November 27, 2023, 01:40:53 am
Wait, is there a cockass meme?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on November 27, 2023, 02:35:44 am
Spoiler: cockass (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on November 28, 2023, 05:17:03 am
That's a strange looking thing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 09, 2023, 09:13:03 pm
Get home eat, unable to stay awake, sleep until midight. Unable to sleep. Repeat. Allmost had a perfect score this week 6/7. Hey I need the energy exactly then and not later.. the pus in my ears isn't going to produce itself.

What I'd give to just tend to the first level of mazlovs pyramid of needs. But I didn't submit myself enough to dying of exposition today, to feign some sense of motivation, so I guess a vague sense of culpability is more appropriate. Longest year ever, could you imagine it has only been 10(+2/7) weeks since august 22nd? That's not how time is expected to work, is this the trick to staying young forever?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 10, 2023, 07:17:00 am
If you want to stay young forever surround yourself in people who are good. Surrounding yourself in people who make you stressed is the worst thing you can do since stress fucks you up so badly on a biological level
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Schmaven on December 10, 2023, 01:54:30 pm
If you want to stay young forever surround yourself in people who are good. Surrounding yourself in people who make you stressed is the worst thing you can do since stress fucks you up so badly on a biological level
That's how the jeepers creepers monster does it
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 10, 2023, 07:49:31 pm
That's how the jeepers creepers monster does it
it keeps his skin wrinkle-free and his heart jolly and filled with mirth
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 10, 2023, 11:57:48 pm
"The wonderful thing about linguistics is that it doesn't require your consent, only your understanding."

-- on the subject of created words and language as a consensus (which it is, but it's an intriguingly one-sided one; you can say something isn't a word all you want, but if you know what someone else is talking about when they use it, that counts and your agreement as to its nature just kinda' doesn't). Turl is a curled toe now, pass it on.

... I think it's the most hostile thing I've thought about language, maybe ever and certainly today. There's an odd sort of violence in how language can be imparted on a person, really...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 11, 2023, 03:59:08 am
"The wonderful thing about linguistics is that it doesn't require your consent, only your understanding."

-- on the subject of created words and language as a consensus (which it is, but it's an intriguingly one-sided one; you can say something isn't a word all you want, but if you know what someone else is talking about when they use it, that counts and your agreement as to its nature just kinda' doesn't). Turl is a curled toe now, pass it on.

... I think it's the most hostile thing I've thought about language, maybe ever and certainly today. There's an odd sort of violence in how language can be imparted on a person, really...
-Start using slang ironically to mock it
-End up using it frequently
-You have finna slang fr fr no cap on god
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on December 11, 2023, 08:22:37 am
U fkin wot m8
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on December 11, 2023, 08:39:59 am
So was chatting with my son yesterday about superheroes.

Suddenly had a realization: if you had super-speed like the Flash or Superman or Sonic the Hedgehog, when you are running fast, everyone else would not be going in slow motion. In fact, everyone else would look like they are going faster: when you go faster, your clock slows down relative to others', not the other way around.

All the hero movies incorrectly show the entity moving quickly being the one aging while the rest of the world is motionless.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 11, 2023, 09:03:27 am
Uhm I think you're confounding time dilation and relative speed... For most instances they're not running so fast as to wrap time around them (except for the obligatory change something in the past episodes)... So no it's just a way of showing one is at 6000fps whereas the others are at 60fps; highspeed cameras work much alike.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 11, 2023, 09:12:48 am
U fkin wot m8
ehhh rite not bein funneh but swear on me nan u bin rilin me well up so pipe down or I'm puttin me reeboks on we're gettin the lads and we'll be cheeki breeki like down your postcode
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 11, 2023, 09:17:46 am
cheeki breeki? is that a threat to get your windows smashed?

I was thinking today, would zoomers be sad if you proved to them that the "ded" skull emoji was invented by some french wine mom on facebook, who just tried to convey MDR.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 11, 2023, 09:28:16 am
Mdr?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 11, 2023, 09:29:34 am
cheeki breeki? is that a threat to get your windows smashed?
Verily forsooth I vouchsafe on my honour as a gentleman and the confidence of my dearest ancestors, thou hast given me a choleric temper - an imperative response is demanded. Put down your sword lest I be given casus belli to muster the men, stiffen the sinews, and like the dreaded tiger roar and let loose the cats of war. Heed this ultimatum, else my rallied-bannermen shall be funky freaky, and a little bit sneaky fresh upon your house!!!

I was thinking today, would zoomers be sad if you proved to them that the "ded" skull emoji was invented by some french wine mom on facebook, who just tried to convey MDR.
I hate how a lot of apps today auto-convert :0 or L: or >:) into emojis
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on December 11, 2023, 09:32:35 am
U fkin wot m8
ehhh rite not bein funneh but swear on me nan u bin rilin me well up so pipe down or I'm puttin me reeboks on we're gettin the lads and we'll be cheeki breeki like down your postcode
.... Okay I can't match this London-speak.
Time to deploy.... Belfast-speak.

Aye pipe down mate or we'll do yer knees in. Yer in Belly-fast now, and here's the craic - ye came up the Lagan in a bubble, and we're gonna ship ye back to yer avon-selling da in a shoebox.

.....

Okay so I'm not as good at Belfast slang as I thought  :'(
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on December 11, 2023, 09:43:07 am
Verily forsooth I vouchsafe on my honour as a gentleman and the confidence of my dearest ancestors, thou hast given me a choleric temper - an imperative response is demanded. Put down your sword lest I be given casus belli to muster the men, stiffen the sinews, and like the dreaded tiger roar and let loose the cats of war. Heed this ultimatum, else my rallied-bannermen shall be funky freaky, and a little bit sneaky fresh upon your house!!!
Oh, now this on the other hand I am better with.

Forsake thine history-laden tomes of Shakespeare, hoary knave. Furthermore, wight, spit not your twinned-viper venom at the throne, lest my good mood be not the only imbalanced humour in the chamber.

Let loose the hue and cry, jaded jester, and succumb to your vaporous personality. For mine own hosts rival those of Oberon, and count among their number good men and true, who can prove that their fathers did beget them in England, where their limbs were forged.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on December 11, 2023, 09:45:23 am
Uhm I think you're confounding time dilation and relative speed... For most instances they're not running so fast as to wrap time around them (except for the obligatory change something in the past episodes)... So no it's just a way of showing one is at 6000fps whereas the others are at 60fps; highspeed cameras work much alike.

No that's the point! If you are moving fast, it doesn't make things look slower. You have to actually increase your "frame rate" like that camera to make things look slow.  Consider if you are just riding in a normal human jet - the time between "frames" gets shorter and shorter e.g., things look faster the faster you are going, not slower!

So if the Flash's ability isn't just to be able to run fast, but also to be able to boost his mental frame rate, then he'd be able to see things "in slow motion" without running fast. In fact, the faster he runs, the more he'd have to "framerate boost" to see things in slow motion.

Basically it's the idea that the "see things in slow motion" power is not a direct effect of moving fast - it has to be a separate power.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 11, 2023, 09:52:39 am
Like a siren car approaching you and passing by

You approaching at high speed a siren car that's standing still would have the same effect

So your vision would compress the same way the siren sound waves compress

Is that what you mean? Because if so I might be getting it
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on December 11, 2023, 10:18:02 am
It's worse than the doppler effect; it's both the doppler effect and time dilation, compounded.

I mean say you are approaching a sequence of sidewalk squares, each 1 meter in length. If you are going 1 meter/second (walking speed), you see one square pass you each second.  If you are on a bicycle going 10m/s, you see 10 squares passing you each second.  So to see the squares even going by at the same 1 second each speed, your internal "framerate" would have to be 10x as fast, making your clock need 10 seconds for 1 second of the rest of the world.  To make things look like "slow motion", you'd have to think each line is going by at say 10 seconds, your internal clock would need to be 100x faster - you'd need 100 of your seconds for each 1 second of the real world.  Or put another way, you spread out 1 second of "world time" into 100 of your local seconds.

But this is opposite time dilation - if you start moving quickly, more "world seconds" get crammed into your one second - not less!  So to exaggerate, 10 real-world seconds get crammed into 1 of your seconds.  That is - the world ages 10 seconds for every 1 second you age.  This is the opposite effect of what is portrayed, where the fast entity ages more than the rest of the world.

So if you were moving that quickly, your internal "framerate" would have to be some ridiculous multiple of your speed, to result in you perceiving things as being in slow-motion.

Also, it's not even considering length contraction and blue-shift/red-shift, which is also all sorts of fun :)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 11, 2023, 10:33:01 am
mdr is mort de rire - dead of laughter




Yes highspeed perception would be a separate power required to oprate the first, that sadly is never mentionned in those works of fiction. Under normal perception things would be flying past them so fast. No disagrements there.


But these characters are all sorts of funky: when the flash runs so fast to turn back in time... say he needed to make a tiny course correction... How much power do you need to shift the course of 120lbs at lightspeed by even one 1°? Not to mention that then he would be running blind no matter how fast he perceives.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 11, 2023, 10:45:15 am
Yes highspeed perception would be a separate power required to oprate the first, that sadly is never mentionned in those works of fiction. Under normal perception things would be flying past them so fast. No disagrements there.
Eehh... it comes up pretty often in books and such, for what it's worth? You don't see it mentioned in comics or movies much, probably because of the condensed nature of the mediums, but folks working in that general region of fiction actually do tend to give some attention to the perception/reaction at high speed thing.

It's not 100%, but I read a fair amount of junk involving superhuman speed and probably well over half make note of the issue one way or another.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 11, 2023, 11:05:40 am
They should do a whole issue where they do nothing but landscapes then slowly veer off into an in debt description of some new york biome, idk like the life cycle of some insect or something like that... And then in the end it turns out the comic was about the fact that the flash had to wait two minutes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 12, 2023, 03:58:36 am
If the Flash stays still for a long period of time he'll explode due to much built up speed in his system.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on December 12, 2023, 05:53:15 am
But this is opposite time dilation - if you start moving quickly, more "world seconds" get crammed into your one second - not less!  So to exaggerate, 10 real-world seconds get crammed into 1 of your seconds.  That is - the world ages 10 seconds for every 1 second you age.  This is the opposite effect of what is portrayed, where the fast entity ages more than the rest of the world.
That's not time dilation you're thinking about. Time dilation is always symmetrical, and slowing time down in the moving frame only - and Flash is never moving from his point of view, even though the world disagrees. I think what you have in mind has more to do with the different lengths of paths through space time, as in the twin paradox. At the end the traveller is shown to have unambiguously aged less by the end of their journey, so there must have been more world-seconds crammed in each of theirs.

Btw, I've always thought the Flash/Quicksilver-type slow down superpower is exactly that of increasing one's 'frame rates'. That the whole body can cram more Flash-seconds into each world-second, and the running fast is just a result of that. And not that it has anything to do with relativistic effects from running fast (do they even ever run at significant fraction of c? I don't know the lore).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Uthimienure on December 12, 2023, 06:26:59 am
MDR   Minimum Daily Requirement (Diet & Nutrition)
MDR   Multidrug-Resistant
MDR   Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk (German Radio and TV Station)
MDR   Multi Drug Resistance (of a disease; medical)
MDR   Madera (Amtrak station code; Madera, CA)
MDR   Mort de Rire (French: Died of Laughing)
MDR   Medical Device Reporting
MDR   Main Dining Room
MDR   Marina del Rey (Southern California)
MDR   Market Data Retrieval
MDR   Managed Detection and Response (cybersecurity service; various companies)
MDR   Monatsschrift für Deutsches Recht (German magazine)
MDR   Multi Channel Data Recorder
MDR   Medium Dynamic Range
MDR   Mini Disc Recorder
MDR   Multiservices Dynamic Reservation
MDR   Meta Data Registries
MDR   Multimedia Data Retrieval
MDR   Modular Data Router
MDR   Multi Decrypt Receiver
MDR   Motor Driven Roller (conveyors)
MDR   Medical Devices Regulations (various locations)
MDR   Master of Dispute Resolution (Pepperdine University School of Law; Malibu, CA)
MDR   Manifestation Determination Review (special education hearing; various locations)
MDR   Maternal Death Rate
MDR   Memories, Dreams, Reflections (Carl Jung book)
MDR   Mouvement Démocratique Républicain (Democratic Republican Movement, Rwanda)
MDR   Multifactor Dimensionality Reduction
MDR   Medium Data Rate
MDR   Mission Definition Review (various organizations)
MDR   Memory Data Register
MDR   Making Dreams Reality
MDR   Meta Data Repository
MDR   Mandatory Declassification Review
MDR   Movement for the Defense of the Republic (Cameroon)
MDR   Merchant Discount Rate
MDR   Mission Data Recorder
MDR   Multiple Dwelling Registration
MDR   Manhattan Diagnostic Radiology
MDR   Minimum Design Requirement
MDR   Major District Road (India)
MDR   Membership Drive Rally
MDR   Milestone Decision Review
MDR   Militaire du Rang (all grades under sergeant in the French army)
MDR   Mitglied des Reichstags (German: member of parliament; before 1933)
MDR   Master Data Record
MDR   Mortgage Default Rate
MDR   Mercury Displacement Relay
MDR   Maintenance Data Recorder (aviation; records equipment discrepancies during flight)
MDR   Marginal Deduction Rate (UK)
MDR   Maximum Detectable Rigidity (spectrometer)
MDR   Mission Design Review
MDR   Miniature Donkey Registry
MDR   Missed Detection Rate
MDR   Master Document Register
MDR   Major Daily Rental (vehicles)
MDR   Mini-Disc Recordable
MDR   Medical Device Record
MDR   Materiel Deficiency Report
MDR   Microcircuit Device Reliability
MDR   Manufacturing Data Report
MDR   Minimum Design Rule(s)
MDR   Median Detection Range
MDR   Midi Data Recorder (Yamaha)
MDR   Magic Decoder Ring
MDR   Maximum Distance with Respect to Rank
MDR   Manufacturer Defect Report
MDR   Morrendo de Rir (Portuguese)
MDR   Monthly Demand Rate
MDR   Management, Development and Research Co, Ltd
MDR   Meteorological Doppler Radar
MDR   Maintainability Demonstration Report
MDR   Mission Data Readout (satellite operations)
MDR   Maintenance Data Report/ing
MDR   Mission Data Review
MDR   Mean Detection Range
MDR   Minimum Display Range (US Air Force)
MDR   Mount Device Request
MDR   MHS (Military Health System) Data Repository (US DoD)
MDR   Million Dollar Roundtable (insurance industry)
MDR   Microwave Dielectric Resonator
MDR   Monthly Document Report
MDR   Modal Damping Ratio
MDR   Machinedrijver (Dutch)
MDR   Management Data Report
MDR   Movimiento para la de Defensa de la República
MDR   Mandatory Device Reporting Program (Center for Device and Radiological Health; US FDA)
MDR   Main Distribution Room
MDR   Maximum Deceleration Rate
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 12, 2023, 07:37:58 am
MDR   Multidrug-Resistant
MDR   Mort de Rire (French: Died of Laughing)
MDR   Managed Detection and Response (cybersecurity service; various companies)
MDR   Monatsschrift für Deutsches Recht (German magazine)
MDR   Motor Driven Roller (conveyors)
MDR   Medical Devices Regulations (various locations)
MDR   Master of Dispute Resolution (Pepperdine University School of Law; Malibu, CA)
MDR   Maternal Death Rate
MDR   Memories, Dreams, Reflections (Carl Jung book)
MDR   Mouvement Démocratique Républicain (Democratic Republican Movement, Rwanda)
MDR   Multifactor Dimensionality Reduction
MDR   Making Dreams Reality
MDR   Mandatory Declassification Review
MDR   Movement for the Defense of the Republic (Cameroon)
MDR   Manhattan Diagnostic Radiology
MDR   Minimum Design Requirement
MDR   Major District Road (India)
MDR   Milestone Decision Review
MDR   Militaire du Rang (all grades under sergeant in the French army)
MDR   Mitglied des Reichstags (German: member of parliament; before 1933)
MDR   Mortgage Default Rate
MDR   Mercury Displacement Relay
MDR   Maximum Detectable Rigidity (spectrometer)
MDR   Miniature Donkey Registry
MDR   Missed Detection Rate
MDR   Materiel Deficiency Report
MDR   Microcircuit Device Reliability
MDR   Minimum Design Rule(s)
MDR   Median Detection Range
MDR   Magic Decoder Ring
MDR   Maximum Distance with Respect to Rank
MDR   Manufacturer Defect Report
MDR   Monthly Demand Rate
MDR   Maintainability Demonstration Report
MDR   Mean Detection Range
MDR   Minimum Display Range (US Air Force)
MDR   Million Dollar Roundtable (insurance industry)
MDR   Microwave Dielectric Resonator
MDR   Movimiento para la de Defensa de la República
MDR   Mandatory Device Reporting Program (Center for Device and Radiological Health; US FDA)
MDR   Maximum Deceleration Rate

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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 13, 2023, 03:57:26 am
Damn that's a lot of MDR.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 13, 2023, 10:00:49 am
.... Okay I can't match this London-speak.
Time to deploy.... Belfast-speak.

Aye pipe down mate or we'll do yer knees in. Yer in Belly-fast now, and here's the craic - ye came up the Lagan in a bubble, and we're gonna ship ye back to yer avon-selling da in a shoebox.

.....

Okay so I'm not as good at Belfast slang as I thought  :'(
It takes a lot of effort to look effortless ;)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on December 16, 2023, 05:37:28 am
Wyll is BG3's Anomen
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 16, 2023, 05:48:58 am
Not an un-apt comparison
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 19, 2023, 02:59:01 am
Wyll is BG3's Anomen
?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on December 19, 2023, 11:40:07 pm
If someone ain't done it yet, a story where folks actually owe their soul to the company store and end up being used as undead/unaging corporate enforcers could really stand to be written at some point.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 20, 2023, 04:56:13 am
Wyll is BG3's Anomen
?

Full of bluster and machismo, pretty toxic, and falling way short of his own ideals of heroism.

Main difference is that Wyll is more self-aware about how he's fucked up at the outset of his story while for Anomen getting the self-aware stage was the good ending of his personal quest.

Granted I am fairly certain, though basic it only on what I've seen in Kagus' "is playing BG3 in area X" steam announcements, that he was pretty much in the beginning of the game when he said that. I also haven't played much more than the first chapter yet, so I am not in the know of where Wyll's story goes from there (keep spoilers vague pls).
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 20, 2023, 02:06:24 pm
I wonder if there is a way for me to accurately estimate how many unique iterations my planet generator can procedurally generate. It must be a truely huge number at this point.

Do you guys know how this can be done? Besides manually counting each and every variable, which is nigh impossible to do so by a human at this point in the project.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Schmaven on December 20, 2023, 03:32:35 pm
I wonder if there is a way for me to accurately estimate how many unique iterations my planet generator can procedurally generate. It must be a truely huge number at this point.

Do you guys know how this can be done? Besides manually counting each and every variable, which is nigh impossible to do so by a human at this point in the project.

You could write a program to count each variable and then calculate the total possible combinations.  However, the specifics of the calculations would depend on the variability of your variables.  So you'd have to either have a way to tell how many states each variable can be in by scanning the definitions, or something else along those lines. 

For example, if you have 3 variables, each with 10 states, the total number of possible permutations is 10^3 (1000)   If those are instead binary 2 state variables, then there are 2^3 [8] permutations.  How the variables can be combined and ordered may also impose limiting functions on your calculations. 

Probably the easiest way to figure it out would be to seduce a college math or computer science professor, and get them to pose this question on a midterm or final exam, and then let the students figure it out for you.  I don't think there is going to be a fast way if you are generating planets with more variables than mere mortals can count.

Your answer will be so large, that it will be meaningless though.  Just 100 true/false variables has almost 2 nonillion [2 followed by 30 zeros] possible unique combinations. 
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 20, 2023, 03:40:19 pm
I wonder if there is a way for me to accurately estimate how many unique iterations my planet generator can procedurally generate. It must be a truely huge number at this point.

Do you guys know how this can be done? Besides manually counting each and every variable, which is nigh impossible to do so by a human at this point in the project.

You could write a program to count each variable and then calculate the total possible combinations.  However, the specifics of the calculations would depend on the variability of your variables.  So you'd have to either have a way to tell how many states each variable can be in by scanning the definitions, or something else along those lines. 

For example, if you have 3 variables, each with 10 states, the total number of possible permutations is 10^3 (1000)   If those are instead binary 2 state variables, then there are 2^3 [8] permutations.  How the variables can be combined and ordered may also impose limiting functions on your calculations. 

Probably the easiest way to figure it out would be to seduce a college math or computer science professor, and get them to pose this question on a midterm or final exam, and then let the students figure it out for you.  I don't think there is going to be a fast way if you are generating planets with more variables than mere mortals can count.

So... I guess I will never know. There are too many variables. There are just too many.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on December 20, 2023, 03:41:37 pm
How are you going to grade the exam if you haven't got the answer yourself? Only check their work and hope at least one of them, the one you chose as "correct" got it?

What sort of variables does this planet generator permit, by the way?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 20, 2023, 03:44:38 pm
What sort of variables does this planet generator permit, by the way?

Here, see for yourself. (https://perchance.org/the-astropedia#edit)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Schmaven on December 20, 2023, 03:47:19 pm
How are you going to grade the exam if you haven't got the answer yourself? Only check their work and hope at least one of them, the one you chose as "correct" got it?

With math questions that take 8+ pages to solve, the grading is based more on how you showed your work than on if you got the right answer or not.  It's more of a test of your problem solving approach, so it wouldn't matter much for grading.  But in this case, since we are interested in the answer, you could compare all the answers amongst the top 5% of students, and see how many of them got the same answers.  With a large enough class size, and a solveable problem (assuming this is), the brightest students will find the correct answer. 
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 20, 2023, 03:55:20 pm
(assuming this is)

"BREAKING NEWS! Magmacube's Planet Generator Literally Creates Impossible Math Equations; Mathematicians In Dissarray"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on December 20, 2023, 04:47:29 pm
I took a look at it, and it looks cool. Does produce some weird, phenomena like a moon that orbits its parent gas giant on a 180 day orbit (large, massive and luminous blue-white star, this gas giant being very far out in a huge habitable zone?), or the tenth world out in a system, which itself has a 22 hour orbit (lots of very small planets circling a very small red dwarf?? At least it's supposedly very hot with molten material around the equator and the life was said to be specially tailored for the environment.)

Honestly, it seems stable enough you can draw these conclusions about what the rest of the system looks like to make sense of the planet without having to ditch parts of the planet description and say "thats not possible" so good job.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 20, 2023, 05:13:03 pm
I took a look at it, and it looks cool. Does produce some weird, phenomena like a moon that orbits its parent gas giant on a 180 day orbit (large, massive and luminous blue-white star, this gas giant being very far out in a huge habitable zone?), or the tenth world out in a system, which itself has a 22 hour orbit (lots of very small planets circling a very small red dwarf?? At least it's supposedly very hot with molten material around the equator and the life was said to be specially tailored for the environment.)

Honestly, it seems stable enough you can draw these conclusions about what the rest of the system looks like to make sense of the planet without having to ditch parts of the planet description and say "thats not possible" so good job.

Yea, it is not supposed to be realistic. Whimsical Fantasy-Scifi theme is what I am going for. There were many scientific planet generators. And none like this.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Schmaven on December 20, 2023, 05:29:27 pm
The tepuis in the description of the environment are nice to visualize as a planetary feature.

I wonder if you had a computer run generations until you get a match, if you could extrapolate a generation number to match ratio and get a good enough estimate on the total variability?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on December 26, 2023, 02:08:58 pm
I just learned about fractional derivatives (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dwQUUDt5Is) today (that is, instead of what's the second derivative of a function, what's the 1 and 1/2 derivative of that function).

There are several general formulae for this which has some interesting properties, such as if you use that formula at integer (not fraction) derivative orders you get the usual derivatives.

But if you use the fractional form, the values are nonlocal - they depend on a limit of integration.

Apparently nobody has a meaningful description of what this means, even though the math works.

Because it oddly changes a local operator (standard differential operator) to a nonlocal operator, I wonder if this has something to do with quantum mechanics, entanglement, and the mysterious collapse of the wavefunction.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on December 27, 2023, 02:35:15 am
So if the Flash's ability isn't just to be able to run fast, but also to be able to boost his mental frame rate, then he'd be able to see things "in slow motion" without running fast.

His heart and brain probably have to be working faster, which might be difficult to separate from his running power.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 28, 2023, 09:07:39 pm
I wish I had a hole, a warm hole made out of cushion where the air is made out of food, light is drugs and sound is friendship, and the hole is the internet but also an inaccessible fortress, all points cotangent. Everybody is invited but nobody is allowed to enter, not enter or leave.

Had I a philosophers stone, could I turn it into a hole?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on December 29, 2023, 02:30:15 am
You could probably use it to dig a hole, at least.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on December 29, 2023, 02:49:10 am
"This is my hole, it was made for me!"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on December 29, 2023, 05:16:24 am
You could probably use it to dig a hole, at least.

Fuck I love this. It's like why would you write a complaint if you can use your keyboard as bludgeon instead. Monkey problems require monkey solution. If a monkey stared into a philophers stone, it wouldn't see a monkey looking back, but rather it would see a nice smooth wieldy stone.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 30, 2023, 04:49:39 pm
People here, when they first meet me, have this unsaid, latent expectation of me having a girlfriend. Like, they seem genuinely surprised to hear that I don't. Why is this?

Like, I am flaming garbage. What do they see in me to think, "Yea this guy is definitely taken"?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on December 30, 2023, 05:17:56 pm
You must be handsome and charming.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 31, 2023, 07:42:59 am
People here, when they first meet me, have this unsaid, latent expectation of me having a girlfriend. Like, they seem genuinely surprised to hear that I don't. Why is this?

Like, I am flaming garbage. What do they see in me to think, "Yea this guy is definitely taken"?
Are you tall?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on December 31, 2023, 08:30:29 am
It's the chiseled cube jaw
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on December 31, 2023, 10:41:55 am
You must be handsome and charming.

People do say that. But I dunno.

Are you tall?

Nope. I am actually kinda short (1.6-1.7 meters).

It's the chiseled cube jaw

Of course! I mean, take a look at this face!

(https://i.imgur.com/XPsFdvq.jpeg)

Perfectly square face? Check!

Predator eyes? Check!

Neat, clean teeth? Three full sets of 'em, check!

All a person could ever want!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on December 31, 2023, 12:25:54 pm
Ah yes. People like hot people, and magma is known to be 1,300*C
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on January 02, 2024, 03:46:57 am
Magmacube is the hottest person in every room he enters.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on January 02, 2024, 04:27:14 am
Magmacube is the hottest person in every room he enters.

"Hello there, ladies and gents!"

*Sounds of agonised screaming as people start getting cooked alive at my mere presence*

"Awwww yeah, none can resist my godlike rizz!"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 02, 2024, 06:09:53 am
"Hello there, ladies and gents!"

*Sounds of agonised screaming as people start getting cooked alive at my mere presence*

"Awwww yeah, none can resist my godlike rizz!"
Are you magma because you literally light up the room
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 03, 2024, 09:20:12 pm
Do not give in to group pressure, resist the curiosity, simply say no to joules.


How many watt does human radiate per kilogram of meat... Surely a fat person is warmer than a baby?! Or... would a "fast metabolism" litterally waste some of those ressources in excess heat?

All that to say that sometimes I radiate so much heat, I get terrified there might be a housefire, so I jump out of bed to walk through the hallways sniffing... Some time soon I'm going to enact a pretty strict battery policy around the house... All that talk got me terrified of lithium.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on January 04, 2024, 02:13:12 am
I don't think a human body can produce so much heat it can burst into flames.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on January 04, 2024, 08:54:19 am
Not with that attitude it can't!

... additives would probably be the way to go, in any case. Not, like, being soaked in kerosene (too easy!), but there's probably something or another you can eat that makes it easier to catch fire. Maybe there's a point where you can adjust your internal chemistry radically enough without outright dying that you become able to self-combust.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 07, 2024, 09:56:22 am
You know, when I needed maps I used to just go on my startpage, pick the maps "tab" and start using it... It has been a long time since my startpage is a blank tab. There was a time you could just type in "867fgizlukj." to be offered the maps tab... That has become increasingly shittier too, don't type in a string that is too long or you will get a bunch of shit tabs offered but not maps. These days they're just making their tabs up, search for duckduckgo on google, and where you'd look for maps images etc, you will find a little bubble called "disadvantages". Flights? lol die in hell with your mouth gaping with open. Shopping? Only good to watch images if you struggle with the name of an item.

And don't get me started on trying to find streetview in the mobile interface, at this point I believe it to be a myth, I think I haven't been able to find it since android 5 or 6 or so... Wanted to show a house to someone today, found it more convenient to run up the stairs, use streetview on the desktop (with the aformentioned unecessary clicks), then take a picture of my screen, and run back downstairs. F-F-Fu-Future

Surely they will implode at some point? Surely all that blatant inefficiency in the name of keeping people longer on your site, is only heating up a server room somewhere with no discernable other effect (except the loss of time on the user's end), and surely your insistence on shittifying your services will create so much bloat of useless queries that at some point you're going to have to shut your doors?! You're just to thick to fail yet, but look at your graveyard of projects. Google can't do anything right except mutilate the golden cash cow for passtime.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Great Order on January 07, 2024, 06:35:20 pm
I'm generally opposed to AI, and I'd hate this use because I suspect the company would abuse it, but I'd just realised one amazing use for it would be to reproduce a multiplayer horror game player's voice and speech mannerisms. You're wandering around, your friend yells for help, and it turns out to be a monster.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on January 08, 2024, 06:42:38 am
I mean, that's already been done on a much more basic level where it simply records small snippets of someone's voice chat and repeats it back. You can use speech recognition to pluck out optimal phrases like "Hey!" or "Over here!" or "Help!", then record examples of when the players say that. But using a learning machine to try and build a speech model off of a few sentences would be... Well, certainly an impressive feat.


EDIT: Hell, you could probably even put in some extra BS where it tracks which phrases it's received from which players, and then once it's got a good repertoire from someone the monster specifically hunts them down to try and replace them.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Great Order on January 08, 2024, 07:12:49 am
To be fair it'd probably be easier to use a standard voice-copying AI (Since those exist and can run off of a few words even) and some default phrases, but then people would probably work out alternate ways of calling for help.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 09, 2024, 04:56:07 am
I have a quick test, I rub my fingers together next to my ear, a low sound that shouldn't reach the other ear and covers a fairly wide spectrum.

Well yesterday before sleeping I heard the shh shh both left and right and today after waking up I do.

I don't need to move my brow/ear to feel that there is still something in the left ear that's not right, in fact I won't, I barely dare yawning, swallowing, coughing, inclining my head and listen to anything... It has been a long time listening to very few media...


Every now and then I had some good hearing on the left but it was allways quick to fade again. But that kept me sane because at least I could hope to recover my hearing one day.

I will skip the shower today, and tomorrow too if I'm able, I allready feel awkward but it needs to be done... In fact I will sit in silence and not lift a heavy thing until next monday. I know I know the temptation will be terribly high to allready start feeling and the exterior threating me like a lazy piece of shit, but they can eat shit. None of them can help me, only I can. First comes health.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Laterigrade on January 09, 2024, 07:00:06 pm
"Hello there, ladies and gents!"

*Sounds of agonised screaming as people start getting cooked alive at my mere presence*

"Awwww yeah, none can resist my godlike rizz!"
Are you magma because you literally light up the room
are you I’m you because you stand proud, or would you win?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 10, 2024, 08:43:29 am
Yes am have but win'n't.


SECOND DAY IN A ROW THAT BOTH EARS SHH SHH!!!! I HAVE NOT HEARD THIS WELL SINCE SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER.


Stand strong, another week of self imposed silence, you can not imagine how much I rejoice turning on the subwoofer and the whole rigamarole and really hear music again.


https://tenor.com/de/view/wrestling-vince-mcmahon-why-wont-you-let-me-have-this-fall-shocked-gif-16060604
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 11, 2024, 10:35:33 am
"Hello there, ladies and gents!"

*Sounds of agonised screaming as people start getting cooked alive at my mere presence*

"Awwww yeah, none can resist my godlike rizz!"
Are you magma because you literally light up the room
are you I’m you because you stand proud, or would you win?
nah I'd win
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on January 12, 2024, 06:00:44 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/dkKwi1T.jpeg)

This is a graph that shows the amount of activity Bay12 has had throught its recorded history. 2008 and 2024 are excluded due to their incomplete records. The graph specifically counts the amount of posts made each year.

As you can see, with its current momentum, Bay12 may optimistically survive past the end of 2020's before succumbing to its demise. This assumes that at each year onwards, 1/5 of the post amount will be lost.

We posted approximately 80.000 times in 2023, so this scenario assumes that we will post around 65.000 times this year, and around 50.000 in 2025. We will get to 2030 with 20.000 posts, and finish it with 16.000.

Assuming (VERY optimistically, mind you) that this downward glide trend continues with a small negative error margin to round it all up, and a count below 100 a year or one post once every 3-4 days is when the forum dies, then this scenario will see the forum fizzle out in the distant year of 2045. That would mean a 43-and-a-half-year lifespan, extremely long and constituting more than 2/5 of a century. I would be like, a 42 year old geezer, with a life, and husband, and 3 kids. Assuming I am still going to be here by that time, then my only other companion will be Jifodus, who will say absolutely nothing and then proceed to outlast me to become the actual last user in Bay12.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaa... It is much more likely that our doom will come earlier, sometime between 2028-2030. Since the decline is not exactly uniform, and collapse tends to beget more of itself, I say we will see the end of this decade, but not much after that. Bay12 will be 28.5 years old by then, almost 3 entire decades in age, and maybe even in the same exact shape as of now.

Just speculating. It is fun to do. Time will show us what happens.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on January 12, 2024, 07:52:33 pm
Is that right? 80k posts/year is only like 220 a day.  Surely it's more than that, isn't it?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on January 12, 2024, 08:07:37 pm
Is that right? 80k posts/year is only like 220 a day.  Surely it's more than that, isn't it?

Nope. Unless the forum statistics are blatantly wrong, that number should be accurate.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on January 12, 2024, 10:53:08 pm
Dunno. As long as there is Dwarf Fortress, the forum will survive. It'll be a dim core of its former self, like a white dwarf (the star type) but I doubt it'd just die. Even the lower boards-- people will trickle in slowly, I suppose.

That big decline starting in 2015? It was the niche-fication of the forum system.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Great Order on January 12, 2024, 11:46:00 pm
Yeah, B12 is a vestige of the older internet. Forums like this were all over the place, but its been more centralised now. Forums have been replaced by subreddits and Discord servers.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on January 13, 2024, 12:15:13 am
The third-party stuff was not enough to sink Reddit (I find myself coming back to it and using it), but if it does truly collapse then forums won't really resurge, I think.

The next gen of social media seems to be decentralized stuff like Lemmy and Mastodon.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on January 13, 2024, 04:34:54 am
All this social media stuff is pretty crap, I don't get why there aren't more forums around they seem like friendlier places than those big shit holes.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on January 13, 2024, 06:46:16 am
All this social media stuff is pretty crap, I don't get why there aren't more forums around they seem like friendlier places than those big shit holes.

Welp, unless Bay12 suddenly becomes more visible, then the places with astronomically more visibility will get all the attention. It isn't about quality, it is about commonality.

Maybe we could like, find forums at the edge of death and convince its leftover members to come here in an attempt to mimic stellar rejuvenation? Though, those dying forums themselves would be a rare resource at this late of a stage at internets centralisation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on January 13, 2024, 07:06:59 am
Mastodon is much nicer than Twitter was ngl. Depends on the instance of course.

On my instance I see the same like, 20 people every time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on January 13, 2024, 07:34:09 am
Is that right? 80k posts/year is only like 220 a day.  Surely it's more than that, isn't it?
And 5 of those 220 are mine...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on January 13, 2024, 03:37:53 pm
Bruh we used to be like 7 people who were actually active here, and Armok was 3 of them. This place is ludicrously active, I haven't been able to keep up with it for years.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on January 13, 2024, 03:55:17 pm
Bruh we used to be like 7 people who were actually active here, and Armok was 3 of them. This place is ludicrously active, I haven't been able to keep up with it for years.

The numbers don't lie though.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 13, 2024, 04:19:39 pm
Bruh we used to be like 7 people who were actually active here, and Armok was 3 of them. This place is ludicrously active, I haven't been able to keep up with it for years.

The numbers don't lie though.

All things must end one day. Appreciate it while you got it
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 13, 2024, 04:35:39 pm
Bruh we used to be like 7 people who were actually active here, and Armok was 3 of them. This place is ludicrously active, I haven't been able to keep up with it for years.

The numbers don't lie though.
Are you saying Kaguses lie then? Nay, it's them thar numbers. They see the past through rose-tinted glasses. They get wobbly with age. Don't trust them with your money.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 13, 2024, 04:40:53 pm
Kagi!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on January 13, 2024, 08:14:14 pm
Bruh we used to be like 7 people who were actually active here, and Armok was 3 of them. This place is ludicrously active, I haven't been able to keep up with it for years.

The numbers don't lie though.

What numbers? You don't even list 2008, I joined in 2007* :P

Besides, I'm not trying to claim that a downward trend is inaccurate... Just that I'll be perfectly comfortable once it's down to a manageable number again!


*Probably. There was some date-of-registration funkiness around the time of the Great Migration, so some of us lost our proper registration dates, but it's as good a guess as any
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on January 13, 2024, 08:28:44 pm
Yeah also this community has more actives than my home servers on Discord. Which are mostly stable.

Honestly I treat this forum as a slow-motion Discord.

We'll be fine.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on January 13, 2024, 08:38:08 pm
We'll be fine.

For many more years to come.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on January 13, 2024, 09:54:39 pm
I prefer the long-form communication of forums.  I don't think this format will ever completely disappear.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 14, 2024, 08:57:40 pm
I allways say the day you stop learning is the day you're really going to start to age...
Can I even learn? Or do I only consume knowledge to discard it the second it starts to smell?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on January 16, 2024, 03:50:27 am
This forum is as close to social media as I'm gonna get, and quite frankly it's as close as I want to get.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 18, 2024, 12:01:33 pm
I saw the tiniest shrew, first my heart sank, but then I noticed it didn't see very well and tried to smell me through the window, it was kinda cute.

It must be desperate if it's checking the place where we feed cats from time to time, I'm sure it can smell the predators and is all racy... cats, magpies and such.


So since it's not exactly a civisilation following animal, I built it a nest, hoping that in desperate times, it will pick that over finding a way inside, or drowning under half a meter of snow.


It's basically a tube that is about 3-4 times as long as a cat arm, and hopefully much narrower than a marten's head. Put some old handkechiefs in there that should have gone in the trash, I hope my smell and my germs aren't too much but it's a wild animal ya know, not going to use virgin materials for a nest it might not like. Also I put 6 little nubbins of dry catfood in there, so I can count them when the snow is gone.



I'd like to believe it's sitting in that relatively well isolated cartbox tube, a few meters below my window.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Bumber on January 18, 2024, 03:14:51 pm
Is that right? 80k posts/year is only like 220 a day.  Surely it's more than that, isn't it?
And 5 of those 220 are mine...
And 220 of those 220 are Pathos's.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on January 27, 2024, 09:25:22 pm
Shower thought: "burn" and "set on fire" are different.

You can only set something on fire if it's flammable, whether by itself or being doused in accelerant. But you can burn something non-flammable if it's placed on a fire and gets charred.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on January 28, 2024, 06:29:23 am
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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on February 08, 2024, 10:46:20 am
Shower thought: "burn" and "set on fire" are different.

You can only set something on fire if it's flammable, whether by itself or being doused in accelerant. But you can burn something non-flammable if it's placed on a fire and gets charred.

Well I can burn myself on something hot just by touching it
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on February 08, 2024, 04:56:18 pm
Technically, you could be set on fire too, you just didn't hang onto a hot enough object for long enough
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Schmaven on February 08, 2024, 06:10:22 pm
What is fire?  Isn't it just a plasma caused by a chemical reaction?  The giant sphere of plasma our planet is currently being sucked into (aka the sun) is basically a big ball of fire.  When our planet finally is absorbed into it, it seems likely that everything on earth will become fuel for that cosmic fire, and everything will burn.  Even things not usually considered flammable.

Edit: the "set on fire" aspect - If something is turned into flowing waves of plasma, it would very much appear to be flames, and to have been set on fire.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on February 08, 2024, 06:41:58 pm
Wait what? Since when is our orbit decaying?

Earth is going to get absorbed into the sun because the sun is going to go red giant, not because of orbit decay.

Best I can tell in about 5 seconds of searching is that currently the orbit is expanding, not decaying; however because of the nature of the n-body problem we can't be sure of long-term behavior.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on February 08, 2024, 06:46:23 pm
Wait what? Since when is our orbit decaying?
There's a yo mama joke in that, but I'm too tired to think of it and that's mildly disappointing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Schmaven on February 08, 2024, 08:20:00 pm
Wait what? Since when is our orbit decaying?

Earth is going to get absorbed into the sun because the sun is going to go red giant, not because of orbit decay.

Best I can tell in about 5 seconds of searching is that currently the orbit is expanding, not decaying; however because of the nature of the n-body problem we can't be sure of long-term behavior.

Alright, well not sucked in, but pulled toward.  Despite losing this coamic tug of war, the sun will still absorb us when it goes red giant.

Interestingly, the ice moon Europa will then be in the habitable temperature zone.  And surely it has tardigrades on it by now.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on February 08, 2024, 10:05:36 pm
Is it fire tho? Is it using oxygen? I don't think it's strictly correct to call fusion fire.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on February 09, 2024, 02:38:01 am
it seems likely that everything on earth will become fuel for that cosmic fire, and everything will burn.  Even things not usually considered flammable.
Just goes to show that if you try hard enough that anything can burn if you try hard enough.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on February 09, 2024, 09:32:41 am
In the immortal words of the fire giant champion from Lords of Magic; "Everything burns"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on February 09, 2024, 10:30:14 am
But... can you burn fire?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on February 09, 2024, 01:19:46 pm
I... think so? Sorta'? At the absolute least it's possible to add more fire to fire to make it go out faster, iirc, which is, like. Close enough.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on February 10, 2024, 02:16:54 pm
I... think so? Sorta'? At the absolute least it's possible to add more fire to fire to make it go out faster, iirc, which is, like. Close enough.

Indeed. You can test this by using two matches. Light both, hold one under the other. The length of the flame grows longer. That's because the lower match is setting the flame itself on fire
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on February 11, 2024, 07:03:19 am
Nothing will ever convince me that every installer replacing the shortcuts they create on desktop with symbolic links / hardlinks isn't just another blatant attempt to decrease computer literacy.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on February 16, 2024, 01:47:32 pm
Researching ancient Greek/Mycean gods and suddenly imagining myself back in a city of the time, during a thunderstorm at night, observing the lightning strikes which inspired the bundle Zeus carries.

Times like that are when I am most... observant, in my beliefs.  Is that timeless?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on February 16, 2024, 04:18:33 pm
Times like that are when I am most... observant, in my beliefs.  Is that timeless?

I would say that it is. I also get spiritual when overt natural events happen. Though mine are less religious and more philosophical.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on February 16, 2024, 07:16:45 pm
Researching ancient Greek/Mycean gods and suddenly imagining myself back in a city of the time, during a thunderstorm at night, observing the lightning strikes which inspired the bundle Zeus carries.

Times like that are when I am most... observant, in my beliefs.  Is that timeless?

Or when sickness plagued those self-same cities until one man said 'this is not the gods, go thee religious hence from my cave of healing' and accidentally founded modern medicine, giving us his Hippocratic oath to mutter against fools and charlatans.

Edit: Unless the tone wasn't clear, I'm deliberately pontificating.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 16, 2024, 08:26:44 pm
The Hippocratic oath was literally sworn in the names of the gods and goddesses of medicine.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TD1 on February 17, 2024, 03:19:59 pm
I mean, if we're being serious, then yes. Though I'd also add that Hippocrates likely didn't write it, and that an evocation of the gods was pretty common in... pretty much everything, but especially oaths.

My understanding is that Ancient Greece evoked gods in active healing processes. Entering a dream of healing, for instance, to determine what Asclepius desired your healing journey to be.

Hippocrates focused on empirical evidence to arrive at a treatment methodology. Granted, his methodology was flawed and overly-fixated on diet as causing disease. But nevertheless, it removed interpretative dream-visions and divine intervention from the equation.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on February 20, 2024, 03:05:58 am
Spoiler: A teaser! (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on March 14, 2024, 10:39:15 pm
With candles, the wick isn't what's burning.
I was taught that it was, but that the candle-wax was "slowing the burn" somehow.  The kind of nonsense answer a child gets.  In this case I never reexamined it, because who cares about candles?

Fallen London cares about candles.
Quote from: FIVE OF LIGHTS
Flaky, creamy, combustible
"There is a lack", I once set as a status, and my friends grew concerned for me.  I thought it was a level of Unaccountably Peckish, but it wasn't.  Technically.  It was my interpretation of it.
I'm glad they were concerned for me.  Well, she, but she went by they at the time.  My other "friends" let me cook.  Melt.
Sublimate?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on March 15, 2024, 02:10:41 am
I'd rather change phase than combust. Solid or fluid, either works in the proper context.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on March 15, 2024, 04:02:44 am
Through destruction we are remade; The Forge of Days understands this
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on March 27, 2024, 06:03:29 am
Half a year now that I haven't recovered from blowing my nose too hard or wrong or whatever... :|
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on April 04, 2024, 09:32:29 pm
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Average he/she/they/it fan: :( :( :(

Average o enjoyer:

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Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on April 05, 2024, 03:33:34 am
There is efficiency and then there is... "big zero, present"

Strongest toki pona enthousiast.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: scriver on April 06, 2024, 11:58:35 am
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Average he/she/they/it fan: :( :( :(

Average o enjoyer:

.  __
  / )))      _
 / イ     (((
(  ノ      ̄Y\
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ヽ ヽ`(´・ω・)_/ノ/
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  \ トー仝ーイ /
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Turkish is nongendered I assume?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on April 07, 2024, 04:53:43 pm
someone should make a jewish mysticism themed restaurant

they'd bring out kabbalah nuggies arranged in a sefirot, it'd be great
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Kagus on April 08, 2024, 01:01:56 pm
someone should make a jewish mysticism themed restaurant

they'd bring out kabbalah nuggies arranged in a sefirot, it'd be great

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on April 10, 2024, 07:49:54 pm
For the first time in my life, I am going to decline a job offer.  On the plus side I have multiple from which to choose, but it still feels odd to be on the "decline" side.

Mostly because I was not looking for jobs of my own volition I guess - in all previous cases, I didn't "have" to search for a job, so never had (or needed) more than one on the table at a time.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on April 21, 2024, 06:16:27 am
Terminal velocity 18km/h? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xm-KIO7jc)

So living on titan feels allmost a bit like swimming... So what's really neat about this that I would expect those settlers to be absolutely ripped. We'd unironically be calling them titans in no time. Also weird to think about the economics of a world were carburant is plentiful, but the oxygen for combustion is precious and any oxygen and CO2 should be recycled. Dynasties built on hot air, my granddaddy breathed here being the equivalent of not under my roof, hehe titan is kind of humourous.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on April 21, 2024, 07:16:54 am
Terminal velocity 18km/h? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xm-KIO7jc)

So living on titan feels allmost a bit like swimming... So what's really neat about this that I would expect those settlers to be absolutely ripped. We'd unironically be calling them titans in no time. Also weird to think about the economics of a world were carburant is plentiful, but the oxygen for combustion is precious and any oxygen and CO2 should be recycled. Dynasties built on hot air, my granddaddy breathed here being the equivalent of not under my roof, hehe titan is kind of humourous.
Fun fact: you could fly on Titan using just wings attached to your arms alongside muscle power. And a very good winter coat as the temperatures there are cryogenic, but details, details...
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on April 21, 2024, 10:02:24 pm
Could you do it in a full exosuit is the question. I would posit something as stupid as big wings on a motor that flap for you like that mechanical bird drone. Or just a quadcopter bike, similar to the bikes used by scuba divers. Or hydrogen balloons slightly too heavy to lift you and bounce around.

Oxygen and hydrogen wouldnt be a problem either; a large portion of the crust is water ice. Energy to melt and elecrolyze that water would be the bigger shortfall. No solar panels, wind generators might not collect much (tbh Ive heard nothing about the actual weather conditions on Titan. Does it ever experience storms? It must have weather patterns to have rivers of hydrocarbons flowing long enough to form drainage channels, because precipitation must be falling uphill and draining through them to create them. But how strong do the winds they get? How frequent?), very little electromagnetic field coming off Saturn (compared to the surface of Europa) so you cant just stick a metal pole up in the air. You'd have to run on nuclear isotope power. A hot isotope generator will be a problem if it starts melting the ground under it and sinking deeper and deeper until you run out of extension cord or it gets crushed.
Title: Re: Random thoughts
Post by: joey4track on April 24, 2024, 02:44:19 pm
"Everything solid is just the ice of something else."

That's a profound way to think about the world around us.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on April 24, 2024, 03:21:40 pm
I mean yes it's "easy" to fly on Titan - atmospheric pressure at the surface is 1.45 atm, the temperature is 97K, and the surface gravity is only about 1.4m/s2.  So you only need to generate about 1/7th the lift with an atmosphere more than 4x as dense as at the surface of earth.

Just watch out for drag: gliding may be easy, but traveling at any kind of speed is going to be exhausting.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MCreeper on April 25, 2024, 06:19:11 am
Jackass the werebuilder has come! It's eyes are crazed for flesh and blood. It's tool is screeching rabidly.

You know save game sound from Signalis? Now I know how they made it. Or rather, still don't know, since I have no clue what that tool may be.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on April 25, 2024, 07:04:15 pm
what if uh if i uhhhhhh maybe we could maybe we maybe we guess the why of how and
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on April 26, 2024, 03:16:21 am
what if uh if i uhhhhhh maybe we could maybe we maybe we guess the why of how and
But what comes after the and?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on April 30, 2024, 06:23:47 am
what if uh if i uhhhhhh maybe we could maybe we maybe we guess the why of how and
But what comes after the and?

"?"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on April 30, 2024, 09:38:57 pm
I think there’s an important difference between being pro-something versus anti-anti-something.

That is, I’m not in favor of some things, but I’m definitely against legal and/or violent opposition to those things.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 01, 2024, 09:06:49 pm
Imagine how coolit would be if this medecine pulled it of, I could pixk up my life a few weeks from now, it feels like such a remote possibility. Maybe I could finish a few things for once, that retrospectively will feel feel hrd enough with how long they have haunted me, to get some real sense of accomplishment for once.. Heh one can dream but. I want to at least claw back that iron obstination, I basically spent 3 years on my feet, this sedentary stuff is actually kind of boring, but also addicting. 50% of that time and 100% of that energy can't possibly yield nothing (I tend to forget there's a tryhard behind all that refusal to face failure) so long as I finish the shit I begin, as shittyly as I would, but finished nonetheless. The shit that matters. The shit I can control.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 05, 2024, 08:49:48 am
(https://i.imgur.com/AnWEWME.jpeg)

Tag yourself.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Rolan7 on May 05, 2024, 11:13:23 am
ooh I've seen this filled with anime characters, on tumblr probably

It's a tough call tbh but: i'm sorry
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on May 05, 2024, 01:33:57 pm
"Thanks"
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 05, 2024, 03:45:54 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/BqWLU0v.jpeg)

Anyone else?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on May 05, 2024, 04:01:33 pm
thanks also
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on May 05, 2024, 07:49:28 pm
Im disappointed "huh?" isnt on there
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: MaxTheFox on May 05, 2024, 10:12:52 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/AnWEWME.jpeg)

Tag yourself.
I know.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on May 07, 2024, 12:51:30 am
Where's the "Whats wrong with you?" option?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 07, 2024, 06:23:24 am
Stop nitpicking and tag yourselves dammit.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: EuchreJack on May 07, 2024, 11:12:15 pm
thanks also
I'll switch to "Laughs nervously"

Fun game!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on May 08, 2024, 02:14:08 am
I'll take the why tag then.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TurboDwarf on May 08, 2024, 02:33:14 am
I'll take "Who doesn't?" Maybe i should get an avatar tho. haven't needed one.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on May 08, 2024, 02:39:22 am
I suppose Im torn between "Why" and "I'm Sorry." I would go with sorry.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: McTraveller on May 08, 2024, 06:43:18 am
Agape, Philos, or Erotic?
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 08, 2024, 09:20:39 am
I'll take "Who doesn't?" Maybe i should get an avatar tho. haven't needed one.

Take an avatar. You need to have an avatar to be put in the Bay12 love meme.

Agape, Philos, or Erotic?

It can be any of them. It is a big love though.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Great Order on May 08, 2024, 09:23:16 am
I'll take "Who doesn't?" Maybe i should get an avatar tho. haven't needed one.
I used to have one. It's still in the Happy Thread OP, from the second Penguining, not long after I found out that fapping isn't the noise a keyboard makes when you're typing.

Good days, good days. Aside from the embarrassment, but y'know, is what it is.

Anyways, they're overrated.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TurboDwarf on May 08, 2024, 12:37:11 pm
I'll take "Who doesn't?" Maybe i should get an avatar tho. haven't needed one.

Take an avatar. You need to have an avatar to be put in the Bay12 love meme.

In that case, this embarrassed-looking AI generated pangolin(?) shall be my avatar for now.
(https://files.catbox.moe/ilsqro.png)

I used to have one. It's still in the Happy Thread OP, from the second Penguining, not long after I found out that fapping isn't the noise a keyboard makes when you're typing.
My mind instantly went to "fapping on the keyboard" when i read this lmao.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Great Order on May 08, 2024, 01:59:16 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/TEt87.png)

I mean, it's this thing.

I might take it back actually, I'm back to finding it kinda amusing.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on May 08, 2024, 03:06:21 pm
In that case, this embarrassed-looking AI generated pangolin(?) shall be my avatar for now.
(https://files.catbox.moe/ilsqro.png)

It looks like a kobold tbh. Proto-mammalian kobolds with pangolin-like scales and fur that lay eggs are a like for me, its how I like to envision them. AI not so much.


Also welcome back fapmaster. :P
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 08, 2024, 03:14:55 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/TEt87.png)

Don't EVER take it back!

This is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: dragdeler on May 08, 2024, 05:42:06 pm
Oh lawd, it's fappening.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Great Order on May 08, 2024, 06:29:50 pm
He do be fapping
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on May 09, 2024, 01:35:36 am
Dang old avatars returning and new ones being found, exciting times.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TurboDwarf on May 09, 2024, 01:52:10 am
(http://i.imgur.com/TEt87.png)

I mean, it's this thing.

Oh. that makes it way funnier than i imagined. But the avatar is faptastic!

Proto-mammalian kobolds with pangolin-like scales and fur that lay eggs are a like for me, its how I like to envision them.

I absolutely love the idea of them looking like that. Well, except i wouldn't feel comfortable putting anything based on a pangolin in an antagonistic role.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Eric Blank on May 09, 2024, 09:19:42 am
They really are just too adorable aren't they
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 09, 2024, 04:23:52 pm
Proto-mammalian kobolds with pangolin-like scales and fur that lay eggs are a like for me, its how I like to envision them.

I absolutely love the idea of them looking like that. Well, except i wouldn't feel comfortable putting anything based on a pangolin in an antagonistic role.
I mean... you don't have to put kobolds in an antagonistic role? They can be people instead of murderhobo fodder if you feel like it, heh.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Egan_BW on May 09, 2024, 04:45:33 pm
Generally people are murderhobo fodder anyways.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TurboDwarf on May 11, 2024, 05:42:11 am
They really are just too adorable aren't they
Absolutely. Way too adorable!

I mean... you don't have to put kobolds in an antagonistic role? They can be people instead of murderhobo fodder if you feel like it, heh.
Yeah, i mean it'd be an issue if the idea was mainstream that is. An antagonistic role is typical for kobolds in fantasy media like D&D. nothing that resembles a pangolin needs any kind of negative representation in the slightest imo.

I didn't have time to post on the forum yesterday, and with the time i did have, i did this.
Meet the River Kobold:

(I got insanely lucky with the AI-gacha machine and instantly got the inspiration to write this. Dumb, i know, but i'm way too enamored with the whole idea.)
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 11, 2024, 01:44:14 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ZuKDfvL.jpg)

4 Empty Spaces!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: King Zultan on May 14, 2024, 02:23:28 am
The meme grows in power with every picture added to it, we need more for it to reach it's full potential!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 14, 2024, 02:35:24 am
I mean, I'll take bottom right.
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 14, 2024, 05:52:13 am
(https://i.imgur.com/XZKhKKe.jpg)

3 Empty Spaces!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: TurboDwarf on May 14, 2024, 02:27:04 pm
All we need is 3 more sacr- err... volunteers and the monument will be complete!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 14, 2024, 04:32:57 pm
Get'cho arses into the meme!
Title: Re: Random thoughts - On the Origins of "I Could Eat A Horse"
Post by: Frumple on May 14, 2024, 10:22:29 pm
Like. What I'd do if I was god (besides, y'know, the baseline shit involving making the universe not suck!)? I'd make the moon wink back at people that winked at it.

But.

It'd be instanced. Only the person that winks at the moon sees it wink back. You can make videos of this! When you do? The person that winked, they will see the moon wink back on watching the video. Anyone else watching the video? No wink. If you hold a mirror up to your face, you can see the moon winking back in the reflection. If someone looks in your eyes? Reflection doesn't wink unless they do. The effect is inviolable and personalized.

That's the kind of thing I'd do. Basically utopia (or at least, like, fuck off with cancer and lethal congenital complications and crap, y'know, enough to make it so the proposition of intelligent design isn't one of the greatest acts of character assassination in history ahaha) plus kind of low key fucking with people.

... would that count as low key, actually? I'unno. Don't wink at the moon when you're standing on it. Don't do that.