Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 06:16:46 am
So I made something different. A reclaim designed to be played.
That alone isn't fun though. Anyone can make a basic fort and share it.
So I did something different. I combined several things I'd learned from dwarf fortress mechanics and physics to create something special - The Spire of Armok.
A fort suspended in a carved-out square chasm that is 22z tall. Within are bedrooms, barracks, workshops, a hospital, mechanical power, even automated running water and the startings of the same for magma. There are deluxe rooms for Nobles and dwarves you think excel, as well as a golden throneroom should the king arrive. There's also a layer of underground soil with farms, as well as an enclosed layer of surface trees should you want a safe supply of wood (the local goblins are quite regular visitors).
All good things, however, are not without their price. The Spire is connected to a rather fun little project called...
The Doom Clock!!
On the Control Level, along with a basic map of the Spire (because why not?) and the levers to several drainage methods and bridge controls, is a counter.
Should this so-called Doom Counter hit ten, the fort will collapse into the chasm and the cavern beneath. It roughly takes about a year-and-a-half for it to fill fully.
I suppose you must be wondering. "ThatAussieGuy, you evil, evil, man; How can I avert this fort's destruction?" The answer is simple. Sacrifice one of the fort's dwarves.
To reset The Doom Clock, simply send one of your dwarves (be it nobleman, craftsdwarf, or one of those damn fisherdwarves that keep turning up) out onto the Bridge of Death and watch them plummet. The Doom Clock will return to 1 and the fort can continue on in peace.
For those cunningly thinking "Surely the clock could be stopped....", well, you'd be wrong. For starters, I hid it. You won't see it on the map, you won't find it by looking. It is there, somewhere, and ticking away towards the fort's doom constantly without mercy.
(And for those thinking of just anchoring it the wall with floors or something, give me a little creative licensing here... >.>)
I will post pictures in due time, but for the first little while, I think just finding and exploring it yourself would be part of the fun. The Spire lies at the site of Mebtobul, otherwise known as the City of Inchcanyon, in the reclaim screen. Play it, break it, have fun with the place however you please.
Strike the Earth! (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6280) (52MB)
Oh, and, uh... sorry about the mess. A few Trade Caravans had accidents and left their goods on the fort's doorstep.
edit: Forgot to say, this was originally played with the graphics pack Ironhand 0.68, so adjust your raws accordingly.
And now, because I bloody-well forgot to do this sooner, pictures of The Spire of Armok!
It starts on Level 3 because the only non-reclaim backup save I could find was just before the two upper-levels were finished. They're left empty for storage. These go level-by-level downwards, for reference.
Spoiler: Level 3 - The Throne Room (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 4 - The Control Level (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 5 - The Magma Weapon Tank (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 6 - The Gunnery Deck and Bridge of Doom (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 7 - The Nature Preserve (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 8 - Farming Level (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 9-11 - Bedrooms and Offices (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 12 - Dining Hall and Food Storage (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 13 - Water Tank and General Storage (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 14 - Workshops (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 15 - Barracks, Armory and Hospital (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 16 - Powered Workshops (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 17 - Gearworks (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 18 - Magma Foundry and Metal Storage (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 19 - The Magma Tank Level 3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 20 - The Magma Tank Level 2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Level 21 - The Magma Tank Level 3 (click to show/hide)
Post by: FritzPL on May 09, 2012, 06:27:37 am
sad thing I'm so bad I won't even figure out who's what and where is anything
@down
If you say so, your Hellness.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 06:31:43 am
Add 'I created a Clownsday device in DF and trolled B12ers' to your sig.
sad thing I'm so bad I won't even figure out who's what and where is anything
I added notes to everything important, don't worry. (N) is your friend there.
Post by: Musashi on May 09, 2012, 06:33:48 am
Post by: NRDL on May 09, 2012, 06:37:12 am
Post by: Mrhappyface on May 09, 2012, 06:38:34 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 06:39:34 am
Oh Aussie,why must you keep nuking the fridge?
Why not?
Post by: NRDL on May 09, 2012, 06:44:41 am
Post by: HorridOwn4ge on May 09, 2012, 06:49:08 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 06:52:34 am
Where the credits for my suicide booth?
Oh yes, that was you that came up with the bridge/pressure plate design, isn't it? Credit where due, then. You made killing dwarves as a genuine ritual sacrifice possible
Post by: HorridOwn4ge on May 09, 2012, 06:59:33 am
Post by: Zinc23 on May 09, 2012, 07:07:37 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 07:19:23 am
Dear god Aussie. This sounds even more demented and evil than all of your other projects( that I've heard of).
You'll have to play it to find out :-P
I.. I feel like I made a difference designing a easy to use suicide booth so people in an ASCII game could murder specific dwarves.
Now you know how I feel every time I make one of these projects. Generally minus the specific-murder part though.
edit: I'd like to also add that I have a picture of what the fort looks like after it gets destroyed thanks to a bit of testing. It takes MINUTES for the game to process the impact when the supports break. I'll share it when I share other pics of this fort in a few days after people have had time to give it a go themselves. Feel free to share your own pics if you give it a go before that though.
Post by: caddybear on May 09, 2012, 07:25:39 am
Post by: flieroflight on May 09, 2012, 09:34:25 am
at the end of every year, kill your mayor to save them all
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 09:39:40 am
Lets play vault whateveritwas from new vegas. every year, they elect an overseer and kill him.
at the end of every year, kill your mayor to save them all
That could potentially go against you - the mayors tend to be the popular dwarves. When they die, a LOT of their friends will be sad.
Post by: NRDL on May 09, 2012, 09:49:32 am
Lets play vault whateveritwas from new vegas. every year, they elect an overseer and kill him.
at the end of every year, kill your mayor to save them all
"You're our mayor now, and now you have to die."
Post by: Mrhappyface on May 09, 2012, 09:57:59 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: FritzPL on May 09, 2012, 10:55:37 am
Post by: Hanslanda on May 09, 2012, 11:02:24 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 11:07:55 am
Vault 17?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Guess what?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Morpha on May 09, 2012, 11:12:58 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 11:45:05 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 09, 2012, 11:55:44 am
More demented, crazy, psychopathic and somehow pleasing then ever!
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NOW IN 3D!
Post by: Mudcrab on May 09, 2012, 12:05:18 pm
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 08:36:15 pm
Post by: Hanslanda on May 09, 2012, 08:53:07 pm
Post by: Kofthefens on May 09, 2012, 09:28:31 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on May 09, 2012, 09:32:56 pm
This... I have no words for this megaproject's marvelousity and fantasticity...
Post by: Kofthefens on May 09, 2012, 09:41:37 pm
For those cunningly thinking "Surely the clock could be stopped....", well, you'd be wrong. For starters, I hid it. You won't see it on the map, you won't find it by looking. It is there, somewhere, and ticking away towards the fort's doom constantly without mercy.
With DF hack or something similar, you mean?
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 09:42:27 pm
For those cunningly thinking "Surely the clock could be stopped....", well, you'd be wrong. For starters, I hid it. You won't see it on the map, you won't find it by looking. It is there, somewhere, and ticking away towards the fort's doom constantly without mercy.
With DF hack or something similar, you mean?
More as in vanilla DF. Of course you could find it with DFHack, but again give me a little creative licensing here...
edit: so has anyone managed to start the power generator yet? Or watched the Doom Counter tick up a notch or two?
Post by: Corai on May 09, 2012, 09:44:11 pm
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 09:44:56 pm
What version is this for?
Says in the listing - 34.07
Post by: Corai on May 09, 2012, 09:46:06 pm
What version is this for?
Says in the listing - 34.07
My apologies, I read over that.
Post by: Callista on May 09, 2012, 10:05:08 pm
'Course with Dwarf Fortress, the only relevant question is, "How far away will the ASCII gibs splash on landing?"
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 10:09:02 pm
Wow, this is like one of those trolley problem ethics questions. You know... kill one to save five or take no action and let five die. The kind of thing that pits your intellectual conscience against your emotional conscience.
'Course with Dwarf Fortress, the only relevant question is, "How far away will the ASCII gibs splash on landing?"
5 squares per limb, if you raise the north orthoclase bridge before sacrificing one of them so they have a straight shot to the bottom of the chasm.
Post by: Scelly9 on May 09, 2012, 10:09:27 pm
Post by: Morpha on May 09, 2012, 10:09:42 pm
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 10:24:45 pm
Post by: Corai on May 09, 2012, 10:25:53 pm
Post by: slothen on May 09, 2012, 10:29:40 pm
Wow, this is like one of those trolley problem ethics questions. You know... kill one to save five or take no action and let five die. The kind of thing that pits your intellectual conscience against your emotional conscience.
Personally I think the answer to that question is rather clear cut as you've phrased it, and the ethics don't get sticky until you get into the specifics of the choice of whom to sacrifice or accounting for the free will and knowledge of the five of the dilemma.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 09, 2012, 10:31:32 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on May 09, 2012, 10:39:00 pm
Post by: medikohl on May 09, 2012, 10:42:59 pm
Post by: Orky_Boss on May 09, 2012, 11:03:23 pm
Post by: slothen on May 10, 2012, 12:24:23 am
Other observations: it appears you can use the upper magma room to force invaders to path through a falling curtain of lava. It also appears that if the main staircase is flooded with magma as a defense, the magma will drain into the caverns at the bottom of the fortress instead of being returned to the lower magma tank. Am I mistaken? Why does one level have its floor made all from wood?
I'm going to have some fun wtih this, but tidying up the scattered items is going to be a BITCH.
Post by: Mapleguy555 on May 10, 2012, 12:30:35 am
*snip*
I suppose you must be wondering. "ThatAussieGuy, you evil, evil, man; How can I avert this fort's destruction?" The answer is simple. Sacrifice one of the fort's dwarves.
To reset The Doom Clock, simply send one of your dwarves (be it nobleman, craftsdwarf, or one of those damn fisherdwarves that keep turning up) out onto the Bridge of Death and watch them plummet. The Doom Clock will return to 1 and the fort can continue on in peace.
*snip*
I dub you Sheogorath of Bay12.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 10, 2012, 01:15:57 am
One of the notes said to raise a certain north bridge before making a sacrifice to the doom clock. Why is that?
So they have a straight shot to the chasm floor instead of hitting the bridge in full-view of everyone
but I was wondering what the purpose of the odd shape in cinnabar on the floor of the upper magma tank?
I was going to do it all in cinnabar, but I ran out
Other observations: it appears you can use the upper magma room to force invaders to path through a falling curtain of lava. It also appears that if the main staircase is flooded with magma as a defense, the magma will drain into the caverns at the bottom of the fortress instead of being returned to the lower magma tank.
Close. Closing the north rutile bridge will make magma pool in that enclosed area at the base of the stairs. Area of denial AND immediate threats are melted. Just remember to raise the fort-side bridge before opening the chasm-side one so the magma pours out into the chasm instead of potentially into the fort.
Oh, and the drain's meant as a general in-case-of-flooding.
Oh and as a general thing, the started magma pumpstack can be reorganised and redirected any way you please, as long as it's all connected to that final pump. It's rigged to the same type of automatic trigger that keeps the water tank under the dining hall from overfilling.
Post by: flieroflight on May 10, 2012, 02:19:34 am
Bay12 doesn't have moral event horizons, it has goals.sigging.
now.
Post by: NCommander on May 10, 2012, 03:22:26 am
EDIT: Seems theres a graphics pack in the raw that really hates my system. Nothing is rendering correctly, and my initial attempt to delete it wasn't successful. I dunno if the raws are stock or not, but at least on DF2012/linux, I wasn't able to really play with it. It looks very awesome in stonesense however!
In addition, Aussie, if you wanted to prevent item scatter for an easier embark, there is an easyway to do it in dfhack.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 10, 2012, 06:46:14 am
Downloading now, but given what I saw of the checkboard, I'm afraid to know what sort of evil is in this rar.
EDIT: Seems theres a graphics pack in the raw that really hates my system. Nothing is rendering correctly, and my initial attempt to delete it wasn't successful. I dunno if the raws are stock or not, but at least on DF2012/linux, I wasn't able to really play with it. It looks very awesome in stonesense however!
In addition, Aussie, if you wanted to prevent item scatter for an easier embark, there is an easyway to do it in dfhack.
Oh crap, yes the original game was run with the Ironhand 0.68 visualizer, so adjust your raws accordingly. Sorry, forgot to mention that!
Post by: flieroflight on May 10, 2012, 08:20:23 am
Downloading now, but given what I saw of the checkboard, I'm afraid to know what sort of evil is in this rar.
EDIT: Seems theres a graphics pack in the raw that really hates my system. Nothing is rendering correctly, and my initial attempt to delete it wasn't successful. I dunno if the raws are stock or not, but at least on DF2012/linux, I wasn't able to really play with it. It looks very awesome in stonesense however!
In addition, Aussie, if you wanted to prevent item scatter for an easier embark, there is an easyway to do it in dfhack.
Oh crap, yes the original game was run with the Ironhand 0.68 visualizer, so adjust your raws accordingly. Sorry, forgot to mention that!
ahh yes, as if you dont, itll all be buggy and you wont be able to see the wonderful carnage from sacrifices or the entire fort dropping into the depths.
out of interest, are spikes involved in the sacrificing procedure. because i think there should be spikes at the bottom of the pit of doom
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 10, 2012, 08:22:07 am
As a kind of funny story (though more "oh dear god..." funny than "ha-ha" funny), I had a soldier go test the suicide bridge. He survived because he had armor and landed on the orthoclase bridge with just enough injuries to go to the hospital. I forgot to unset his station order. He marched right back off the bridge and this time fell all the way to the chasm floor. He didn't survive that one.
Post by: Musashi on May 10, 2012, 09:32:45 am
After the Dwarven Checkerboard, he made another masterful, huge, sadistic killing device. Dwarven perfection.
How many more masterpieces are you going to make available for our unworthy grubby hands, o Aussie Master? :D
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 10, 2012, 09:44:28 am
So, it's official, ThatAussieGuy is a Legendary Fortbuilder.
After the Dwarven Checkerboard, he made another masterful, huge, sadistic killing device. Dwarven perfection.
How many more masterpieces are you going to make available for our unworthy grubby hands, o Aussie Master? :D
I will admit, I am considering doing something to an ocean. That won't be for a while though. Probably going to take a bit of a break from playing DF for a week or two, considering I just finished this megaproject.
Post by: Musashi on May 10, 2012, 10:09:33 am
I will admit, I am considering doing something to an ocean.Sounds ominous. Just the way I like it.
Take your time! Carefully hand-crafted torture devices are better than mass-produced unsubtle slaughterhouses.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 10, 2012, 10:13:20 am
I will admit, I am considering doing something to an ocean.Sounds ominous. Just the way I like it.
Take your time! Carefully hand-crafted torture devices are better than mass-produced unsubtle slaughterhouses.
Well so far I've perverted the HFS, Fire and now Death to my own means. Water seems the next logical step.
Edit: Oh wait, I did do water already with the waterlock... Hmm... Oh well, the thing I want to do with an ocean is far bigger and outrageous. If it works.
Post by: Callista on May 10, 2012, 12:20:06 pm
Question: How did you do the timer? Or, more generally, what's regular enough in Dwarf Fortress to tell time by?
Post by: Garath on May 10, 2012, 12:39:56 pm
Post by: rtg593 on May 10, 2012, 01:24:57 pm
So did you end up using my water tower Doomsday clock design, as well?
Will download to check this out when I get home :D
Post by: dwarfkoala on May 10, 2012, 01:36:03 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Loud Whispers on May 10, 2012, 02:16:05 pm
The Doom Clock!!
Not to detract from anything... But that one ! Is a hero of punctuation.
Post by: Hanslanda on May 10, 2012, 02:20:01 pm
I wonder if DF players are channeling their violent impulses into the game, because they would rather not express them in real life? The people 'round here seem to be a rather unusually nice bunch; I can't imagine you're all sociopaths, and I know I'm not one. Perhaps games like this one are ways to explore one's violent impulses safely, without hurting anyone, because if we did, we'd never forgive ourselves.
That seems quite likely. I wouldn't say there are NO sociopaths here, I personally feel I qualify, but being in an accepting environment with similar views would appear to alleviate any difficulty relating.
And, from Dr. Wikipedia:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
TL;DR Psychopaths can't care or feel. Sociopaths lost or suppressed that ability in 'self-defense'.
Although, it could be the fact that its just a game, and we are all rational well-adjusted individuals who happen to enjoy violent thought exercises.
Post by: Orky_Boss on May 10, 2012, 05:29:18 pm
EDIT: And it sure is laggy...
Post by: wierd on May 10, 2012, 06:32:31 pm
You have to make him feel safe by ousting a token communist or two every so often, or else friend computer will initiate the scorched earth subroutine.
Remember, thos commies are everywhere.
Post by: feralferret on May 10, 2012, 08:33:34 pm
The Doom Clock!!
Not to detract from anything... But that one ! Is a hero of punctuation.
Because multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind? ;)
This is such an awesome idea... reminds me of the homicidal computer program in the first Resident Evil movie. I can't wait to try it out!
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 10, 2012, 08:35:44 pm
I wonder if DF players are channeling their violent impulses into the game, because they would rather not express them in real life? The people 'round here seem to be a rather unusually nice bunch; I can't imagine you're all sociopaths, and I know I'm not one. Perhaps games like this one are ways to explore one's violent impulses safely, without hurting anyone, because if we did, we'd never forgive ourselves.
That's just friend computer processing which of your dwarves is most likely to be a communist sympathizer.
You have to make him feel safe by ousting a token communist or two every so often, or else friend computer will initiate the scorched earth subroutine.
Remember, thos commies are everywhere.
Well this thread certainly took a weird turn...
Hmmm... A pillar fort set to drop do its doom? Sounds like what I described to you when you posted a thread asking for ideas :p
Is it? Credit where due, then.
So did you end up using my water tower Doomsday clock design, as well?
Will download to check this out when I get home :D
That would be telling. Go try and get at the clock yourself :-P
the transformations of a werewolf - each month, they transform and get heavier(I think...) and then untransform later. If you set this pressure plate to be resettable, and set it to be triggered whenever the were-subject gets heavier and untriggered whenever the subjects untransforms, you can set up a system where each month, it drops a 7/7 block of water onto a 13zlevel deep vertical pit, with a pressure plate at the 13th level, triggerable by water which will take the enire fort down. To ensure one trigger of the were-timer won't kill the fort, you have to use a system of hatches to isolate a single 7/7 block of water, sort of like this:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Interesting idea, but not even close.
Post by: dwarfkoala on May 10, 2012, 08:48:40 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 10, 2012, 09:12:32 pm
Interesting idea, but not even close.
And why couldn't you make a clock out of that? Werebeasts trigger traps, including pressure plates, correct? Unless plates won't trigger/untrigger unless the creature physically leaves their tile... It wouldn't work on reclaim I suppose.
Post by: NCommander on May 10, 2012, 09:13:10 pm
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 10, 2012, 09:16:49 pm
So now that I managed to scrub the raws, and play with it a bit. One glitch I had is the third floodgate failed to open, and the fourth one opened. Not sure if this intended behavior or not ...
Yeah, that happens sometimes. Hazard of the design I used, but I left it in just for the thrill. Check that clock often...
It wouldn't work on reclaim I suppose.
That's about right.
Post by: Urist Da Vinci on May 10, 2012, 09:46:24 pm
However, the method I used could be protected against in another version of the device.
It is also possible to protect against some versions of the "link it to the nearby floor/wall so the support doesn't matter" solution. Collapse the floor and drop the sky on top of the fort as well as collapsing the fort itself.
So much junk and dead bodies on the map. Reclaim scatter is annoying.
Post by: slothen on May 10, 2012, 09:48:07 pm
I wonder if DF players are channeling their violent impulses into the game, because they would rather not express them in real life? The people 'round here seem to be a rather unusually nice bunch; I can't imagine you're all sociopaths, and I know I'm not one. Perhaps games like this one are ways to explore one's violent impulses safely, without hurting anyone, because if we did, we'd never forgive ourselves.
That's an offensive notion. We just happen to have a very clear sense of the distinction between fantasy and reality, as well as healthy, active imaginations. Feeling an emotional attachment to the dwarves is natural and enhances the gameplay experience. Feeling a moral obligation to them in any way is downright absurd.
Post by: ab00 on May 10, 2012, 09:48:51 pm
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 10, 2012, 09:54:27 pm
Surround clock with waterlock(or magmalock). A use for an otherwise theoretical device!
I did. I'm also fairly certain I know how Mr DaVinci disabled the clock. Spoilsport :-P
Post by: Urist Da Vinci on May 10, 2012, 10:13:38 pm
Surround clock with waterlock(or magmalock). A use for an otherwise theoretical device!
I did. I'm also fairly certain I know how Mr DaVinci disabled the clock. Spoilsport :-P
Sent PM on locating and disarming method, as well as the improvement to make that not work in future versions.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 10, 2012, 10:22:04 pm
Surround clock with waterlock(or magmalock). A use for an otherwise theoretical device!
I did. I'm also fairly certain I know how Mr DaVinci disabled the clock. Spoilsport :-P
Sent PM on locating and disarming method, as well as the improvement to make that not work in future versions.
Huh, wasn't even close to what I thought was done. Clever and surprising though. Can't actually stop the clock being located with that method.
Post by: ivanthe8th on May 11, 2012, 08:29:34 am
This looks cool as hell but I can't run anything beyond vanilla DF on my mac.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 11, 2012, 08:41:06 am
Post by: Urist Da Vinci on May 11, 2012, 08:51:23 am
I believe there's a way to fix the raws between visualizers and raw ascii, isn't there? Anyone know how?
Just for the purposes of viewing/playing the map, I copied my (vanilla) inorganic_stone_x.txt raws to the downloaded save game's raw folders to overwrite them. I didn't bother checking to see if anything was made of cheese after the edit, but it made the map look better and playable.
Copying raws in other games might lead to the game crashing or other odd stuff if the person used mods on their map.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 11, 2012, 09:13:14 am
Post by: gestahl on May 11, 2012, 09:39:34 am
Well so far I've perverted the HFS, Fire and now Death to my own means. Water seems the next logical step.Bioshock:DF...Armored war elephants that are released when you don't create enough female dwarven child skull totems?
Edit: Oh wait, I did do water already with the waterlock... Hmm... Oh well, the thing I want to do with an ocean is far bigger and outrageous. If it works.
The people 'round here seem to be a rather unusually nice bunch; I can't imagine you're all sociopathshttp://lmgtfy.com/?q=dwarven+child+care :-X
Post by: vicwarrior on May 11, 2012, 11:51:35 am
Post by: slothen on May 11, 2012, 12:07:19 pm
I can bet my ass that the doom o clock is in the HFS.
I think if that was the case there would be demons walking in on reclaim. However, putting it down there and resealing hell would actually be a significant deterrent to tampering or finding the clock.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 11, 2012, 09:27:43 pm
I can bet my ass that the doom o clock is in the HFS.
I think if that was the case there would be demons walking in on reclaim. However, putting it down there and resealing hell would actually be a significant deterrent to tampering or finding the clock.
It isn't, though that would have certainly been interesting.
Post by: Hanslanda on May 12, 2012, 12:12:05 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 12, 2012, 12:42:55 am
Post by: Uristocrat on May 12, 2012, 01:11:40 am
I was able to locate the clock using without using dfhack or exploratory mining, and then disarm it. 8)
However, the method I used could be protected against in another version of the device.
It is also possible to protect against some versions of the "link it to the nearby floor/wall so the support doesn't matter" solution. Collapse the floor and drop the sky on top of the fort as well as collapsing the fort itself.
So much junk and dead bodies on the map. Reclaim scatter is annoying.
I'm just glad I'm not the only one who appreciates weaponizing the sky :)
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 13, 2012, 09:25:53 am
Post by: Apothecarian on May 13, 2012, 11:19:37 pm
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 17, 2012, 11:19:35 pm
Post by: Pinguinpanic on May 18, 2012, 04:14:25 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 18, 2012, 04:40:07 am
Looks awesome, maybe you could make it more fun for players that found this thread by removing how long you have to sacrifice dwarfs? That way people won't know how often to sacrifice dwarfs and it's like a risk; doing it later makes it more likely to collapse your whole fort but leaves more dwafs, doing it quicker makes it less likely to collapse but leaves you with less dwarfs.
That's kind of unfair though. Wouldn't want to wind up with the fort in an unwinnable situation simply because your last save is two seconds before the fortress destroys itself. With it as it is, there's only one specific location in the fortress where the time remaining is show AND the counter is a little dodgy. Up to the player to remember to keep a constant eye on it every year or so. Get too distracted by that new mega project deep underground...
Of course, you're always free to destroy the Doom Counter yourself if you want to up your own challenge.
Post by: Blizzlord on May 18, 2012, 04:45:16 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 18, 2012, 04:46:46 am
Why not remake the doomclock so that if you find it it will automatically self destruct? It would make the map way more fun.
The clock's relatively safe from inquisitive overseers. I did originally plan to rig it that way, but I just plain forgot. Oh well.
Post by: Aseaheru on August 19, 2012, 06:37:40 pm
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on August 20, 2012, 09:03:22 am
make a new one with minecarts. dwarven auto-shotguns.
Haven't been playing much lately due to being busy, but I am tinkering with the basics of a new megaproject fortress
Post by: Iosyn on August 20, 2012, 11:04:36 am
And my god, someone actually stuck notes on everything. You have no idea how much this pleases me. ;D
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on August 20, 2012, 11:50:21 am
This is unbelievably awesome.
And my god, someone actually stuck notes on everything. You have no idea how much this pleases me. ;D
If I didn't note everything, I guarantee I'd have gotten a PM going "why'd the whole fort suddenly collapse on me?!"
Post by: Pyro627 on August 20, 2012, 02:24:04 pm
Post by: Aseaheru on August 20, 2012, 08:24:59 pm
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on August 20, 2012, 09:02:52 pm
There isn't really a doomclock, is there? I bet it's just like the swan, a psychological experiment of some sort.
It is there, it has been tested, and I have the aftermath pictures of The Spire collapsed into a concave mess of rock and corpses
Spoiler: For those who doubt me (click to show/hide)
Post by: Gentlefish on August 21, 2012, 01:58:52 am
There isn't really a doomclock, is there? I bet it's just like the swan, a psychological experiment of some sort.
It is there, it has been tested, and I have the aftermath pictures of The Spire collapsed into a concave mess of rock and corpsesSpoiler: For those who doubt me (click to show/hide)
The one job cancellation on the final screenshot really did it for me.
Even though the fort is collapsing around him, the brave and bold miner still tries to finish his job.
Post by: Mr S on August 21, 2012, 08:48:17 am
Post by: Urist_McGamer on August 21, 2012, 10:57:48 am
Post by: Pyro627 on August 21, 2012, 01:21:31 pm
Or maybe I could actually stop being such a smartass and just have fun sacrificing dwarves...
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on August 21, 2012, 07:42:53 pm
So I think I'm gonna try this. Just ignore the doomclock, probably have the fortress fall, and then just build a new one because I will not have moved into it.
Or maybe I could actually stop being such a smartass and just have fun sacrificing dwarves...
The whole point is the entirety of your fort must be within The Spire. ALL GLORY TO THE SPIRE OF ARMOK
Why, you got something against auto-refilling water, magma (to be completed by you) and endless mechanical power?
Post by: Pyro627 on August 21, 2012, 11:17:51 pm
This is worse, because not only is the entire structure capable of violently crashing to the ground, killing everyone inside, but is in fact designed to do so.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on August 22, 2012, 04:41:17 am
Well, no, but I'm acrophobic, I have an irrational fear of heights.
This is worse, because not only is the entire structure capable of violently crashing to the ground, killing everyone inside, but is in fact designed to do so.
It's not a proper work of madness until it's likely to collapse upon itself.
Post by: Mego on October 01, 2012, 01:05:12 am
Well, no, but I'm acrophobic, I have an irrational fear of heights.
This is worse, because not only is the entire structure capable of violently crashing to the ground, killing everyone inside, but is in fact designed to do so.
It's not a proper work of madness until it's likely to collapse upon itself.
Slight necro, but it's worth it. Aussie, this is epic. You magnificent bastard.
Think you could rig up a doom clock in 1 in-game year?
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on October 01, 2012, 01:17:19 am
Slight necro, but it's worth it. Aussie, this is epic. You magnificent bastard.
Think you could rig up a doom clock in 1 in-game year?
Tune to one year, or actually build it in one year? Yes to both.
Spoiler: The Doom Clock's actual countdown (click to show/hide)
It's actually a pretty simple mechanism. I'll PM you how it works so as not to spoil it here.
Post by: atazs on October 01, 2012, 08:42:16 am
Post by: krisslanza on October 01, 2012, 08:53:36 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on October 01, 2012, 08:55:59 am
Aussie you are a crazy, crazy man. I can't imagine what kind of madness you could leave for future overseers in a succession fortress. I can imagine you making a doomclock that is set to go off years later... long after everyone forgets you did anything...
Honestly, I'm surprised no-one's tried leading a succession fort of The Spire. You have my permission/blessing/amused interest if it matters.
Post by: krisslanza on October 01, 2012, 09:08:19 am
Aussie you are a crazy, crazy man. I can't imagine what kind of madness you could leave for future overseers in a succession fortress. I can imagine you making a doomclock that is set to go off years later... long after everyone forgets you did anything...
Honestly, I'm surprised no-one's tried leading a succession fort of The Spire. You have my permission/blessing/amused interest if it matters.
An interesting idea. It would certainly bypass the two or three years I spend trying to make everything pretty and set up... then forgetting about those unimportant things like dining rooms, bedrooms, farms...
I would have to play without my mod though. Hmmmm. *makes note to consider*