Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 03:58:23 am
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Why Would You Do That?: A Mafia Misadventure
Every player sends in a text string, image, Trope Page, or whatever - ANYTHING. It will then be their role. Or be incorporated into their role. Or be someone another player's role or incorporated into another player's role. The game will include elements of many other games from the forums. It would be ideally 13 or 15 people. Not Bastard Mod - you'd know your role and your win condition; if appropriate, you'd know your teammates.
Players:
01.SirBayer
02.Darvi03. Leafsnail04. Ottofar
05.Argembarger NEEDS REPLACEWebadict
06.Zrk2
07.lordnincompoop
08.ZathrasBookJim Groovester
09. Jack A T10. Org
11.Jokerman-EXE
12.Toaster
13.IronyOwl
14.VectorNativeForeigner
15. Mr.PersonSpoiledSpoiling Spectators:
1.EdurenSniHjenThink0028
2. RedWarrior0
3. Tyberix
Replacement Queue (because we NEED IT NOW):
1. D:
Rules:
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Attempting to goad the mod into modkilling you is now a Major Rules Violation.
Town win condition is expressed as:
Quote
Wincon: Elimination of all threats to town
Abandoned Ideas:
Day 1:
SirBayer You are Dentures (town). As you may know, teeth can be used for almost anything. You must help the town with the many and varied uses of TEEEEEETH.
[1shot] Bite: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown
[1shot] Clench: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown
[1shot] Gnash: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown
[1shot] Shine: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown
Night 1:
Toaster You are Pandarsenic (mod). By the end of the first day, you must select your alignment in the form of X-Ally (e.g. Town-Ally, Mafia-Ally). You may not choose to be an Ally of a faction that should only have one member (e.g. Survivor, Jester, or Lyncher).
You have one ability:
[Unalterable] Bone: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown.
Day 2:
Mr.Person You are ROLE NAME REDACTED (ALIGNMENT INFORMATION REDACTED). Prepare for DESCRIPTION REDACTED
ABILITY NAME REDACTED: ABILITY EFFECT REDACTED
Night 2: Nobody
Day 3:
Zrk2 You are CAT-HATING JERK WHO IS MEAN (Serial Killer). If a person hates cats, he hates everything worth having in the world, more often than not. You're no exception. You wish to see everyone else dead.
You have two abilities:
You send someone to a cruel end, killing them and bypassing all protection.
[1shot] HATE: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown
Night 3:
lordnincompoop You are Cthulhu Haunting the Mafia (town). You are exactly what your role's name sounds like. Each night you live, your special passive ability will activate a different aspect, making the Mafia's life much more difficult.
[Auto] Haunting the Mafia: As long as CHtM is alive the Mafia receives a number of arbitrary restrictions which change occasionally.
Haunt: Protects whomever the targeted players uses an action on.
Darvi You are Unconvincing Ghost (town). Do your best to scare the Mafia away! (You can't scare anyone)
Scare: You confuse two targets in your halfhearted attempt to scare them, switching each one's action with the other. Additionally, anyone targeting either of them will have their target switched.
Day 4:
You are Roguelike (Martyr). Your goal is to be killed by the player with the Rogue role. You also have reason to believe giving away your wincon or role publicly may be a very bad idea.
You have one ability:
Draw: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown. I think.
Wincon:Be XKilled by RogueThe Rogue is no longer able to kill; you are a Survivor.
Night 4:
Quote
Jim Groovester You are Chrysalid (Cult). You can barely contain yourself but with a bit of subtlety and some self-control there'll be a full-blown outbreak of you here in no time!
XZombify: Turns target into a powerless Zombie of its previous alignment. When killed, a Zombie becomes a Chrysalid of Cult alignment unless lynched. You may Zombify any time in each Day/Night Cycle (e.g. Day 1 or Night 1, Day 2 or Night 2, etc.)
Wincon: Faction majority and no unaligned killing roles (this includes any Mafia members)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 03:59:20 am
Day 1 begins. 15/15 alive. 8 votes to end day with hammer. Deadline is Wednesday, March 9, at 3:00 Pacific Time. Extensions are 48 hours, shortens are motions to end the day. Extensions require 3 of 15 players. Shortens require 6 of 15 players.
This day is governed by No Laws.
Be summoned.
Post by: Argembarger on March 04, 2011, 04:00:58 am
Book. Why would you do that? Also, what kind of power would you fear most in the hands of scum?
Toaster, who would be your most feared scumteam and why?
Post by: Book on March 04, 2011, 04:15:50 am
Book. Why would you do that? Also, what kind of power would you fear most in the hands of scum?Why not? I would fear most the power to end the game and make everyone who is not me lose. I'd fear it on anyone's hands, really, not just the scum. Well, maybe not on mine. Let's try this.
I hereby invoke my power to end the game and make everyone who is not me lose! I win the game!
...did it work?
Hmm. Oh well, I guess it was an unfounded fear then. Most fears are.
SirBayer. Where the hell have you been? Why are you not playing the mafias anymore? Why do you think I am sure you are scum? which of the ongoing or recently ended games on the forum do you wish you could have entered? (and why didn't you?)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 04:35:02 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 04:35:21 am
Post by: Book on March 04, 2011, 04:45:58 am
You aborted my victory jig before I had half a step off! ...Why would you do that? Oh well. It can wait for a bit.
First I was like 8-0, then I was like XD ... then I was like :-/
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 04, 2011, 04:46:16 am
Good work, Pandarsenic. Good work.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 04, 2011, 05:14:05 am
Now I'm tired, see you all tomorrow.
Post by: Ottofar on March 04, 2011, 07:17:46 am
Post by: Toaster on March 04, 2011, 09:16:56 am
Toaster, who would be your most feared scumteam and why?
Probably people I can't read. At 15, it'd likely be four, so let's go with SirBayer, Leafsnail, Mr.Person, and a side of Org for laughs.
IronyOwl: Do you expect the chaos to distract from the scum hunting?
Jack A T: What qualities would you look for in a scum partner?
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 04, 2011, 09:48:14 am
Pandarsenic. What happens if I vote you?Spoilspec post to watch
All of a sudden, you have no idea who Ottofar is and find the idea of such a person existing to be wholly preposterous.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 04, 2011, 12:27:35 pm
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 04, 2011, 01:59:24 pm
...wat.
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 04, 2011, 02:09:14 pm
Glad to see you're sober, Jokerman. What do you think would be some of the most likely powers of the scumteam? Generally.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 04, 2011, 02:19:18 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 02:36:26 pm
SirBayer - 1 - Book
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 1 - Jokerman-EXE
Ottofar - 1 - Ottofar
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 1 - Leafsnail
lordnincompoop - 0
Bookthras - 1 - Argembarger
Jack A T - 0
Org - 1 - Mr.Person
Jokerman-EXE - 1 - NativeForeigner
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 1 - Toaster
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 0
Post by: Toaster on March 04, 2011, 02:42:03 pm
If there are no laws, does that mean no rules? Could we then all do things like post our role PMs?
Post by: Book on March 04, 2011, 02:45:03 pm
Post by: Argembarger on March 04, 2011, 02:47:04 pm
lol, Book, trying to get him potentially modkilled are we?
This game is already craziness.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 02:53:29 pm
Laws are a different matter.
Post by: Ottofar on March 04, 2011, 03:05:04 pm
Votes:
Ottofar - 1 - Ottofar
I see.
How about: Unvote Pandafar
Vote RedWarrior?
Post by: Mr.Person on March 04, 2011, 03:28:56 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 04, 2011, 03:29:26 pm
Zrk2. Tell me your alignment, please, and how you hope to achieve your win condition.
Well, rolefish. This post can only result in WIFOM, whatever I claim could obviously be lies, so I'll claim the truth, so therefore I must be lying etc etc.
Sir Bayer, I have never played against, or heard of, you. What is your general strategy as Town, as Scum, as a third party?
It's a good thing I decided not to sleep or I would of missed this. Now I can officially kick off my RVS with a vote on Org. Org, what would do you think is the worst thing that can happen to you during the night?
Now I'm tired, see you all tomorrow.
So here we see an Org policy lynch. Why? Can't you find someone better to question? What do you hope to achieve from this?
Leafsnail.
...wat.
So you make a RV but ask no questions? The whole point of an RV is to pressure, but with no question, it doesn't achieve anything.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 04, 2011, 03:34:54 pm
Dude, Leafnsail. Blatant rolefishing is blatant.
Glad to see you're sober, Jokerman. What do you think would be some of the most likely powers of the scumteam? Generally.
With any luck, this won't be the case for long.
I would think common powers like a roleblock or possibly a protect, since Pandar had to find something to adapt the roles into, and those are pretty easy to make. I imagine there's some kind of one-shot power on at least one of the scum members, given the precedent of granting scum a powerful one-shot to help them turn the game.
There are many Rules, most of which are standard to the forum. However, I won't explicitly state any of them except in rare circumstances.
Laws are a different matter.
In that case, I defy gravity and am now impossible to lynch. Do I win now?
Leafsnail.
...wat.
So you make a RV but ask no questions? The whole point of an RV is to pressure, but with no question, it doesn't achieve anything.
*sigh*
I hate to sound like a jerk, but don't tell me how RVS works. I am very well aware of how it works, and if you'd been around longer you'd know, like everyone else, that I have a very special relationship with the RVS. At least I'm participating in it this time.
Leafsnail: So obviously you're admitting to alignment-fishing. It's not all that strange, but it is strange to see it so blatantly put forward. What's prompting you to just go for it and ask?
Post by: Book on March 04, 2011, 03:41:53 pm
Glad to see you're sober, Jokerman.With any luck, this won't be the case for long.
Dude, quit bragging about your stash. It only makes those of us without a hookup salivate in envy. Either bring enough for the whole class or shut up about it. 8-P
There are many Rules, most of which are standard to the forum. However, I won't explicitly state any of them except in rare circumstances. Laws are a different matter.In that case, I defy gravity and am now impossible to lynch. Do I win now?
Not by a long shot. Having antigravity would prevent your neck from breaking from the fall, but that'd be easily corrected by tying the noose tighter, much tighter. Let us know if you'd like to test this hypothesis, I'm sure we'll oblige.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 04:06:09 pm
SirBayer - 2 - Book Zrk2
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 1 - Jokerman-EXE
Ottofar - 1 - Ottofar
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 1 - Leafsnail
lordnincompoop - 0
Bookthras - 0 -
Jack A T - 0
Org - 1 - Mr.Person
Jokerman-EXE - 1 - NativeForeigner
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 1 - Toaster
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 0
Post by: Book on March 04, 2011, 04:16:12 pm
Oats:
Ottofar - 1 - Ottofar
Heheh... Pandar, can you confirm if this votecount is correct? If so, something funny is going on. It was a fun move, Ottofar, unintended consequences and all.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 04, 2011, 04:32:14 pm
Well, rolefish. This post can only result in WIFOM, whatever I claim could obviously be lies, so I'll claim the truth, so therefore I must be lying etc etc.Answer my questions.
*sigh*So, you decide to be patronising and stupid instead of trying to justify what you did. And then you quietly add a question on afterwards.
I hate to sound like a jerk, but don't tell me how RVS works. I am very well aware of how it works, and if you'd been around longer you'd know, like everyone else, that I have a very special relationship with the RVS. At least I'm participating in it this time.
Leafsnail: So obviously you're admitting to alignment-fishing. It's not all that strange, but it is strange to see it so blatantly put forward. What's prompting you to just go for it and ask?Yes. I admit completely and utterly to alignment fishing, and I will not stop until I have found out the alignments of everyone in the entire goddamn game.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 04, 2011, 04:40:18 pm
*sigh*So, you decide to be patronising and stupid instead of trying to justify what you did. And then you quietly add a question on afterwards.
I hate to sound like a jerk, but don't tell me how RVS works. I am very well aware of how it works, and if you'd been around longer you'd know, like everyone else, that I have a very special relationship with the RVS. At least I'm participating in it this time.Leafsnail: So obviously you're admitting to alignment-fishing. It's not all that strange, but it is strange to see it so blatantly put forward. What's prompting you to just go for it and ask?Yes. I admit completely and utterly to alignment fishing, and I will not stop until I have found out the alignments of everyone in the entire goddamn game.
I don't need to justify myself to him, or you. I will go about RVS the way I go about RVS, and you can either suck it the fuck up and deal with it, or you can bitch to someone that gives two shits. Which, if you were wondering, isn't me.
Well, at least you admit it. And I can't actually say I'm not doing the same, since that is the overall goal. Unvote Leafsnail.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 06:09:53 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on March 04, 2011, 06:11:58 pm
IronyOwl: Do you expect the chaos to distract from the scum hunting?I do. To some extent that's a good thing, since we can't really expect to do business as normal and have it guaranteed to work out.
Argembarger, why unvote but not continue? You're not just trying to look like you're participating, are you?
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 06:15:24 pm
1) I will not tell you any outright lies
2) On Day 1 or any other day where Laws don't happen, things will work basically at face value.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 04, 2011, 06:18:11 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 04, 2011, 06:20:55 pm
Huh, wut? oO
Post by: Darvi on March 04, 2011, 06:21:21 pm
Huh, wut? oO
Bluh. /selffixed
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 06:25:50 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on March 04, 2011, 06:27:26 pm
Post by: Book on March 04, 2011, 06:34:02 pm
Just for reference:
1) I will not tell you any outright lies
Therefore, THIS IS TRUE:
The game is over! Book has won!
That's OK, though. I'm happy with the illusion of a game continuing, and people futilely working to achieve secondary victory conditions or whatnot, but let it be clear for the record: I have already won. But carry on.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 04, 2011, 06:43:47 pm
...he does not mention that he is never wrong, however. Clearly he was so overwhelmed by your charisma that he forgot how his own overly complicated game worked for a moment. You seducer.
Post by: Jack A T on March 04, 2011, 06:46:05 pm
Jack A T: What qualities would you look for in a scum partner?
Mostly experience. A scum team like that in Kingmaker 4 would not be what I'd want as scum.
lordnincompoop: What do you think is likely to be more problematic: scum, or third parties?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 04, 2011, 06:50:10 pm
Perhaps you could ask some useful questions, instead of pointless ones which scum could only lie in answer to?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 04, 2011, 06:53:48 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 04, 2011, 06:54:51 pm
Native: are you going to do a policy vote against Leafsnail again?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 04, 2011, 07:03:02 pm
Votes:
Ottofar - 1 - Ottofar
So Ottofar automatically votes for himself. That means that in effect, he likely has no vote, and is easier to lynch. To counter that he probably has some sort of NK invulnerability.
MOD, can you confirm that he will automatically vote for himself?
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 04, 2011, 07:09:25 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 04, 2011, 07:15:44 pm
-Ottofar's ability
-Red's ability
-Pandar's being a dick
-something else
-all of the above
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 04, 2011, 07:17:05 pm
Finally read through the thread.
Native: are you going to do a policy vote against Leafsnail again?
I'm not usually one for policy votes.
Leafsnail: I can understand you wanting to find the alignments of everyone, but there are better ways of doing it than asking a question that anyone can lie about.
Jokerman: Noted. Do you think scum has more than one NK? Perhaps a one-shot like you suspect?
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 04, 2011, 07:21:04 pm
lordnincompoop: What do you think is likely to be more problematic: scum, or third parties?
Scum, I think, because of their abilities and numbers.
I'm not sure what I think of this, because I'm not that familiar with setups containing third parties.
SirBayer: How familiar are you with Mafia?
Darvi: How do you plan on approaching D1 here?
Leafsnail: How often have you played scum, and how successful were you?
Ottofar: How much of an effect do you think the roles will have?
Argembarger: How will the addition of so many roles affect your play?
Zrk2: How will you be scumhunting?
Bookthras: If you were scum, what implications would the roles have for you?
Jack A T: If you were a third-party, how would you approach this game?
Org: Do you think the scum will be easier or harder to find in this setup?
Jokerman-EXE: What alignment would you prefer to be?
Toaster: How important do you think the mechanics (and the discovery of them) will be in this game?
IronyOwl: How active are you planning on being?
NativeForeigner: How do you think the game will play out?
Mr.Person: How do you think D1 is going so far?
Post by: Jack A T on March 04, 2011, 07:28:10 pm
Jack A T: If you were a third-party, how would you approach this game?
Hugely depends on the specific third party. No matter what, I'd approach this with confusion.
*Cult: Cult experienced and town-like players, while (if scum removal is required) getting rid of the scum.
*Survivor: Keep myself out of the public eye, but still kind of contribute.
*Jester: Try to act like scum trying to act like town. Occasionally contradict myself. Insult those who go against me.
*SK: Act like town. Kill anyone I don't like. Make sure everyone gets horribly drunk.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 04, 2011, 08:33:33 pm
Answering Spoiled Spectators: You may post freely. You may not vote or be voted without Laws allowing it. You have no powers as of now. Fun and excitement begins at night.
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 04, 2011, 08:42:23 pm
NativeForeigner: How do you think the game will play out?
That's really hard to predict in a game like this. I'm sure there will be shenanigans, secrets, and surprises galore.
Post by: Toaster on March 04, 2011, 09:13:08 pm
IronyOwl: Do you expect the chaos to distract from the scum hunting?I do. To some extent that's a good thing, since we can't really expect to do business as normal and have it guaranteed to work out.
So you think interference with scum hunting is good. That's nice to know, scumbucket.
Toaster: How important do you think the mechanics (and the discovery of them) will be in this game?
Figuring out the ones that interfere with scum hunting (mainly those that screw with voting) will be fairly important. After that, figuring out anything that redirects night actions wholesale is good to know. I would assume that most anything else is merely an annoyance, unless something crazy and horrible happens.
Zrk2: How is alignment-fishing bad?
Also, Ottofar tried to vote for the mod, then a spectator. I assume his vote being on himself is punishment for trying to break the game.
Book: I see a lot of screwing around and not much hunting from you. What do you expect the chaos that Pandar promises will do to your scum hunting strategy?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 04, 2011, 09:21:48 pm
Zrk2: How will you be scumhunting?
Well, I'll be pressuring Sir Bayer to see what I can get out of him, and I'll be watching for scumtells from other scumhunting, if those seem particularly scummy, then I will switch my scumhunting over.
Zrk2: How is alignment-fishing bad?
I never said alignment fishing is bad, I said asking 'Are you scum or townie?' doesn't achieve anything because everyone will claim townie, unless someone goes out on a gambit and claims third party or something. That would be the only useful end, because it would provoke reactions. Other than that it just confirms that everyone understands the point of mafia, to look townie while fulfilling your goal.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 04, 2011, 09:51:52 pm
IronyOwl: How active are you planning on being?Hard to say. Active enough, obviously, but I don't have any particular plans or predictions for anything more specific.
So you think interference with scum hunting is good. That's nice to know, scumbucket.I think treating this like a vanilla game is bad, so yes.
Figuring out the ones that interfere with scum hunting (mainly those that screw with voting) will be fairly important. After that, figuring out anything that redirects night actions wholesale is good to know. I would assume that most anything else is merely an annoyance, unless something crazy and horrible happens.Now that's interesting.
First Priority: Votes
Second Priority: Night Actions
Third Priority: None, all else are trifles.
Now, what alignment does that sound like, I wonder?
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 04, 2011, 10:05:46 pm
Conclusion: It's from voting the mod or it's a permanent, constant effect. We hadn't seen a votecount before Ottofar voted Pandar, IIRC, so that lead is dead.
MOD: By "Talk freely" does that mean spoilspectators can privately chat with players?
NINJA: I believe that the order was
1. WVS
2. Redirect En masse
3. annoying, unless something crazy and horrible happens
Fuckin demagogue.
Post by: Org on March 04, 2011, 11:30:04 pm
It's a good thing I decided not to sleep or I would of missed this. Now I can officially kick off my RVS with a vote on Org. Org, what would do you think is the worst thing that can happen to you during the night?I derped.
Now I'm tired, see you all tomorrow.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 04, 2011, 11:59:55 pm
I derped.Org, must every post involve a variation of 'herp a derp'?
Post by: Org on March 05, 2011, 12:04:41 am
herp a derpI derped.Org, must every post involve a variation of 'herp a derp'?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 05, 2011, 12:49:50 am
Congratulations. The 'Most Useless Post' award is now yours in perpetuity.herp a derpI derped.Org, must every post involve a variation of 'herp a derp'?
Post by: Org on March 05, 2011, 12:51:45 am
Forever, derp.Congratulations. The 'Most Useless Post' award is now yours in perpetuity.herp a derpI derped.Org, must every post involve a variation of 'herp a derp'?
Post by: Toaster on March 05, 2011, 12:57:25 am
So you think interference with scum hunting is good. That's nice to know, scumbucket.I think treating this like a vanilla game is bad, so yes.
Thanks for confirming that for me.
Figuring out the ones that interfere with scum hunting (mainly those that screw with voting) will be fairly important. After that, figuring out anything that redirects night actions wholesale is good to know. I would assume that most anything else is merely an annoyance, unless something crazy and horrible happens.Now that's interesting.
First Priority: Votes
Second Priority: Night Actions
Third Priority: None, all else are trifles.
Now, what alignment does that sound like, I wonder?
Twist my words much? First, I'm concerned about scum forcing an undesired no-lynch or lynch of an unexpected person. Second, any sort of mass redirection could cause serious misleads in the night game, especially if people are unknowingly redirected. (Think of a cop unknowingly getting a redirect and getting a false positive scum. Cop claims, target is (mis)lynched, cop is lynched next day in retribution.) Third, yes, I think most everything else is a distraction from scum hunting, something you don't seem to care about.
Zrk2:
Zrk2: How is alignment-fishing bad?
I never said alignment fishing is bad, I said asking 'Are you scum or townie?' doesn't achieve anything because everyone will claim townie, unless someone goes out on a gambit and claims third party or something. That would be the only useful end, because it would provoke reactions. Other than that it just confirms that everyone understands the point of mafia, to look townie while fulfilling your goal.
So why did you accuse him of rolefishing?
Post by: Ottofar on March 05, 2011, 02:39:56 am
Vote Zrk2
Votecount, please?
Post by: Book on March 05, 2011, 02:50:40 am
Sir Bayer, I have never played against, or heard of, you. What is your general strategy as Town, as Scum, as a third party?
For those who have expressed unfamiliarity with SirBayer, he was a regular from long before I joined. Became famous as Chuck Norris from that old flavour-as-roll-to-die-mechanic bastard game the name of which I forget, played a number of other notorious games, and was nominated for S-Rank when the new attendance-ranking board was put in place. I have fond memories of this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65968.msg1645408#msg1645408), one of my early non-BM replaced-into games around here (as Zathras; Book came to life later) (date is approx, since thread was locked by Toady):
Quote from: ZathrasGood Morning Scummaggots! Rise and Shine Sweethearts!GOOD MORNING SERGEANT I AM READY TO PLAY THE MAFIA SIR
Now y'all get up and give me twenty! I want to hear a sitrep from whoever is still around to try and unfuck this fucking clusterfuck of fuckness y'all have going on right 'ere!
Who's still on? Who wants to keep playing (alive motherfuckers respond only)? Who's alive? Who's dead? Who's the fucking mod and what the fuck is he modding? Who's scum and who's not and why the fuck why? And who the fuck am I replacing?
Fuck. Get the fuck on it, you fuckers! Or the mistress will come back, and she'll not be pleased!
So, what the fuck is going on?
So, I was glad to see him sign up. But hasn't posted yet. Pandar: Please prod SirBayer, and ascertain his availability. I want answers to my questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2041267#msg2041267); there's plenty other scum out there who desperately need my vote, but RVS standards require me to keep it there until I hear from him and am satisfied by his answers.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 05, 2011, 05:10:07 am
SirBayer - 2 - Book Zrk2
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 1 - Jokerman-EXE
Ottofar - 0
Argembarger - 2 - IronyOwl lordnincompoop
Zrk2 - 2 - Leafsnail Ottofar
lordnincompoop - 1 - Jack A T
Bookthras - 0 -
Jack A T - 0
Org - 1 - Mr.Person
Jokerman-EXE - 1 - NativeForeigner
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 1 - Toaster
NativeForeigner - 1 - Darvi
Mr.Person - 0
Book: Messing with you doesn't count. You have not won. Sorry :3
BayBay has been prodded; since he's also me, he has an exam tomorrow and is sleeping now apparently.
Post by: Ottofar on March 05, 2011, 05:11:19 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 05, 2011, 05:19:23 am
Post by: Book on March 05, 2011, 05:20:17 am
Book: Messing with you doesn't count. You have not won. Sorry :3
OUCH!
BayBay has been prodded; since he's also me, he has an exam tomorrow and is sleeping now apparently.
Ahem... what do you mean he's also you? There's no way he's your sock puppet, so I guess he's also a midtermy sort of flaker dude or something? Clarify, if you please.
Also, whoever is doing that, stop it! it hurts! It ain't like you can kill me or anything, so quit bugging me.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 05, 2011, 05:22:18 am
Tests.
Always.
Forever.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 05, 2011, 09:32:45 am
Does "talk freely" mean spoilspecs can PM players?
Post by: Org on March 05, 2011, 10:08:34 am
Im voting you because herp derp derp derp
Post by: Argembarger on March 05, 2011, 10:21:06 am
IronyOwl: Do you expect the chaos to distract from the scum hunting?I do. To some extent that's a good thing, since we can't really expect to do business as normal and have it guaranteed to work out.
Argembarger, why unvote but not continue? You're not just trying to look like you're participating, are you?
Nope.
Argembarger: How will the addition of so many roles affect your play?
Not a lot; standard scumhunting should still apply unless something unforeseen happens, like a strange law.
I'll probably play like I did in BYOR or, to a lesser extent, Paranormal.
I'll probably take notes to keep up with this stuff, as well. I can't really speculate much, because nothing out of the ordinary has yet to happen, and we don't know what's even possible yet.
Ok, so Ottofar isn't forced to vote himself anymore, apparently.
Org: are you playing to win, or are you just trolling?
Darvi: What did you learn in your last game?
Post by: Org on March 05, 2011, 10:43:31 am
Post by: Jack A T on March 05, 2011, 11:54:01 am
Oh dear.
Org: Herpaderpaderp? Herp d derp derp derp herp hee hee hooo haa haaa.
More seriously, Org: Please stop acting like a stupid version of yourself. It hurts. it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts
Toaster: Org's acting weirdly, even for him. Why would he?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 05, 2011, 12:18:45 pm
Zrk2:Zrk2: How is alignment-fishing bad?
I never said alignment fishing is bad, I said asking 'Are you scum or townie?' doesn't achieve anything because everyone will claim townie, unless someone goes out on a gambit and claims third party or something. That would be the only useful end, because it would provoke reactions. Other than that it just confirms that everyone understands the point of mafia, to look townie while fulfilling your goal.
So why did you accuse him of rolefishing?
Because the only way to present an even reasonably convincing argument would involve a roleclaim so there would be more information on me to use to check for inconsistencies.
Post by: Ottofar on March 05, 2011, 02:21:50 pm
What.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 05, 2011, 02:27:31 pm
Leafsnail: I can understand you wanting to find the alignments of everyone, but there are better ways of doing it than asking a question that anyone can lie about.I wasn't expecting a confession. I was expecting a possible overreaction and refusal to answer. I wasn't expecting something as bizarre as a rolefishing allegation, but you provided one anyway.
Leafsnail: How often have you played scum, and how successful were you?I've been scum about the same amount as you'd expect through chance... maybe 1 time in 4 or so? I've had pretty good success because scum usually wins here.
HEY GUYS: IF I ASK EVERYONE USELESS QUESTIONS, YOU'LL THINK I'M TOWN, RIGHT??
Yeah, the more questions you ask, the more you're contributing.
I never said alignment fishing is bad, I said asking 'Are you scum or townie?' doesn't achieve anything because everyone will claim townie, unless someone goes out on a gambit and claims third party or something. That would be the only useful end, because it would provoke reactions. Other than that it just confirms that everyone understands the point of mafia, to look townie while fulfilling your goal.And yet, I've drawn out a very scummy, evasive reaction. Interesting, isn't it?
Post by: Darvi on March 05, 2011, 02:30:12 pm
Darvi: What did you learn in your last game?You mean KM4? That newbies can be scum too :/
Org: Derp. Derpaderpaherp. Stop it.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 05, 2011, 02:36:06 pm
Example:
Forever, derp.Congratulations. The 'Most Useless Post' award is now yours in perpetuity.herp a derpI derped.Org, must every post involve a variation of 'herp a derp'?
Post by: Ottofar on March 05, 2011, 02:51:55 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 05, 2011, 02:53:58 pm
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 05, 2011, 03:12:38 pm
Jokerman-EXE: What alignment would you prefer to be?
Survivor is my favorite alignment by far. It's the easiest to pull off (at least for me).
Jokerman: Noted. Do you think scum has more than one NK? Perhaps a one-shot like you suspect?
The one-shot ability(s) that I'm wary of don't need to be kills, necessarily, but yes, I would be worried about the possibility of more than one kill. Things like that can turn the game into LyLo/MyLo pretty quick.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 05, 2011, 03:14:04 pm
This is beyond Org. Org's acting like a bad caricature of himself.
I have played with Org before, and this quote ^ is exactly what I mean. He must have some sort of jestery role or something.
Post by: Ottofar on March 05, 2011, 04:16:54 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 05, 2011, 04:32:10 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 05, 2011, 04:36:24 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 05, 2011, 04:47:48 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 05, 2011, 04:55:51 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 05, 2011, 04:58:45 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 05, 2011, 05:10:56 pm
But yeah.
Post by: Org on March 05, 2011, 05:14:10 pm
Herp a derp
Post by: Jack A T on March 05, 2011, 05:15:59 pm
Wait wait why are you voting me I am joking,
Herp a derp
Great. Care to be useful and contribute? If so, I'll unvote.
Post by: Book on March 05, 2011, 05:45:40 pm
Wait wait why are you voting me I am joking,
Herp a derp
I find it amusing that you feel you have to ask why people are voting you... herp a derp.
Heheh. It'll serve you right if you hang for "Forever, derp!" Just so you know you can't get away with your crap every game.
Post by: Org on March 05, 2011, 05:51:33 pm
I dont do this every game derpWait wait why are you voting me I am joking,
Herp a derp
I find it amusing that you feel you have to ask why people are voting you... herp a derp.
Heheh. It'll serve you right if you hang for "Forever, derp!" Just so you know you can't get away with your crap every game.
Post by: Argembarger on March 05, 2011, 05:58:16 pm
"HA HA HOO HEE HEE" for yes
"derp-a-herp" for no
anything else for "please lynch me"
Post by: Org on March 05, 2011, 06:04:33 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 05, 2011, 06:18:21 pm
Derp a derp/
Then why, why would you do that? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TitleDrop)
Post by: Book on March 05, 2011, 06:21:10 pm
Then why, why would you do that? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TitleDrop)
Because it's there!
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 05, 2011, 07:02:03 pm
Derp a derp/
So that's a "please lynch me"?
Post by: Darvi on March 05, 2011, 07:04:06 pm
Post by: SirBayer on March 05, 2011, 07:08:54 pm
It is... on? Wow, I never thought I'd see the day! It is on!Book. Why would you do that? Also, what kind of power would you fear most in the hands of scum?Why not? I would fear most the power to end the game and make everyone who is not me lose. I'd fear it on anyone's hands, really, not just the scum. Well, maybe not on mine. Let's try this.
I hereby invoke my power to end the game and make everyone who is not me lose! I win the game!
...did it work?
Hmm. Oh well, I guess it was an unfounded fear then. Most fears are.
SirBayer. Where the hell have you been? Why are you not playing the mafias anymore? Why do you think I am sure you are scum? which of the ongoing or recently ended games on the forum do you wish you could have entered? (and why didn't you?)
I haven't been playing Mafias recently because I tire of games that turn into chores. Then I remember they're fun, so I play. Then I remember they're chores, so I quit.
I think you're scum because you changed your name. Why aren't you Zathras anymore? ANSWER MEEEEEEEE
Zrk2. Tell me your alignment, please, and how you hope to achieve your win condition.
Well, rolefish. This post can only result in WIFOM, whatever I claim could obviously be lies, so I'll claim the truth, so therefore I must be lying etc etc.
Sir Bayer, I have never played against, or heard of, you. What is your general strategy as Town, as Scum, as a third party?It's a good thing I decided not to sleep or I would of missed this. Now I can officially kick off my RVS with a vote on Org. Org, what would do you think is the worst thing that can happen to you during the night?
Now I'm tired, see you all tomorrow.
So here we see an Org policy lynch. Why? Can't you find someone better to question? What do you hope to achieve from this?Leafsnail.
...wat.
So you make a RV but ask no questions? The whole point of an RV is to pressure, but with no question, it doesn't achieve anything.
I love how you call an RV on Org a policy-lynch. It's a random vote. So far as I can tell it was the only one.
Stretching, a bit?
SirBayer: How familiar are you with Mafia?
Familiar enough. I've been playing here for a year or two.
This is beyond Org. Org's acting like a bad caricature of himself.
See, and when things like this start getting said, we're just abusing Org's silly inability to post regularly to get a free towny-lynch. I do not care for this at all.
Unvote, vote Org, this is ridiculous.
Ah, see, this is the meaty stuff. Zrk2, why so enthusiastic on the bandwagon? You're quick to jump on once it's clear the public opinion is against him.
Post by: Darvi on March 05, 2011, 07:13:06 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 05, 2011, 07:25:05 pm
Post by: SirBayer on March 05, 2011, 10:42:31 pm
Wait wait why are you voting me I am joking,
Herp a derp
Huh. Didn't see this before my post.
SirBayer, why are you defending Org's... Orgness?
Because we call it Orgness. It's like saying Pandarsenic making puns is a scumtell. Yeah, it's annoying. Yeah, it's not helpful. But it doesn't actually mean much, in context.
I'll grant that the only way to catch scum-Org is a policy lynch, but I won't stand behind this right now. It's a bad idea and it won't end well. I am fairly willing to put my bet on a useless town-Org.
(Of course having said that he'll be scum.)
Bandwagon? It may be turning into one, but I joined before. I was looking through the last page, saw that Org hadn't asked a single question or contributed anything for the entirety of a page in which he had every other post.
Mmm. I don't know how many votes were on Org before the first in this sequence, but let's look at these posts, which occurred in sequence:
Spoiler: Sequential Garbage (click to show/hide)
Examining it, you even FoS'ed him after Darvi voted him. That's not what I expected, nor what I had in memory, but the point stands - you weren't willing to vote him until you weren't the only one to do so.
I'm not quite sure why you changed it from an FoS to a vote. I suppose you assumed that a vote would cause Org to act differently, but you claim to have played with him before, so I'm not quite sure where you got that idea.
blargh getting back into Mafia the hard way again
Post by: Zrk2 on March 05, 2011, 10:47:47 pm
I played once with Org before, he was annoying, but never this bad. Also, your need to defend Orgs indefensible position screams buddying.
Post by: Org on March 05, 2011, 10:48:41 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 05, 2011, 10:51:39 pm
I dont think Zrk is scum.
HOLY SHIT! You'll have to derp twice next post.
Post by: Org on March 05, 2011, 11:00:51 pm
Derpy derp derp herp derp
Post by: Jack A T on March 05, 2011, 11:01:39 pm
I dont think Zrk is scum....Could it be? An actual informative post from this game's Org? Wow.
Org: What is your reasoning behind that statement?
Post by: Org on March 05, 2011, 11:12:20 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 06, 2011, 01:05:28 am
He's trying to protect me (apparently), and it makes no sense to me either. This is more like the Org we know and well, something I guess.
The Org we all know and something.
Post by: SirBayer on March 06, 2011, 02:07:26 am
Re: Post Above
I played once with Org before, he was annoying, but never this bad. Also, your need to defend Orgs indefensible position screams buddying.
So then who's scummier? The guy who's spouting random nonsense or the guy who's buddying? And yet your vote is where it is - on Org. Haven't even FoS'd me. Just defended yourself.
Who's scummier? The defender of another or the defender of himself?
Holy derp, batman!
He's trying to protect me (apparently), and it makes no sense to me either. This is more like the Org we know and well, something I guess.
The Org we all know and something.
The Org we know and well? >_>
But seriously. You're still. Somehow. Surprised. When are people ever going to learn how Org actually plays?
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 06, 2011, 02:33:32 am
Derpa herp
Derpy derp derp herp derp
Sigged.
Post by: Toaster on March 06, 2011, 02:57:58 am
Toaster: Org's acting weirdly, even for him. Why would he?
You'd have to ask him.
Why did you ask me?
Wait wait why are you voting me I am joking,
Herp a derp
Great. Care to be useful and contribute? If so, I'll unvote.
Now this is interesting. You're neither voting him nor have you ever voted him. Why are you saying you'll then unvote him? Forgetting who someone else voted I can overlook, but forgetting who you yourself are voting (nobody) when you unvoted the same RL day? No, I think you may, in fact, be scum who does not care about his vote.
Jokerman-EXE:
Derpa herp
Derpy derp derp herp derp
Sigged.
Since this is your meta for RVS, what do you think of Org metawise? Is this scum or town Org?
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 06, 2011, 05:27:09 am
Post by: Ottofar on March 06, 2011, 06:34:59 am
Org.
Post by: Toaster on March 06, 2011, 01:01:29 pm
Toaster, uh...Org.
...
I read over his posts three times looking for a vote. That's what I get for posting at 3 AM.
Jack: Consider that part stricken from the previous post. I still want an answer about why you asked me what Org was doing.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 06, 2011, 01:18:27 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on March 06, 2011, 01:46:51 pm
SirBayer, why are you defending Org's... Orgness?
Because we call it Orgness. It's like saying Pandarsenic making puns is a scumtell. Yeah, it's annoying. Yeah, it's not helpful. But it doesn't actually mean much, in context.
I'll grant that the only way to catch scum-Org is a policy lynch, but I won't stand behind this right now. It's a bad idea and it won't end well. I am fairly willing to put my bet on a useless town-Org.
(Of course having said that he'll be scum.)
So wait, you see Org doing what you call nulltells, so you assume he's town? That makes no sense at all. You're also not willing to scumhunt him to figure this out. You're also passive about it.
I find it scummy that you both vote Org with a three-minute interval.
But yeah.
Well, yeah. When people jump on the same guy like that, with basically the exact same reasoning, it's often called a bandwagon. Which is scummy.
Not really. Bandwagoning is about voting without any reasoning at all OR trying to ride on someone else's reasoning. But lemme put it this way. What Org is doing is so unnacceptable that people voting him should be a given. Sure, some people are being a touch lazy about the reasoning and you're more than welcome to question them about it. Of course, I notice you've neglected to scumhunt everyone who's wagoned and are only going after one guy. This is a very odd time to tunnel considering you've got a myriad of targets.
So then who's scummier? The guy who's spouting random nonsense or the guy who's buddying? And yet your vote is where it is - on Org. Haven't even FoS'd me. Just defended yourself.
Who's scummier? The defender of another or the defender of himself?
So you're well aware that you're buddying Org. Hell, you're even chainsaw defending him. Now why might that be? You make no effort to tell Org to shape up or anything! And I'd like to remind you that all you've said about Org is that he's spouting nulltells. So I see no reason you should be defending him except that you're scum.
Unvote, vote SirBayer
Post by: SirBayer on March 06, 2011, 05:34:15 pm
Sir Bayer, in case you missed it, I opened voting on you, but moved it over to Org for his playing like a bad imitation of himself. You didn't seem to warrant it, but you seem to be trying to draw votes onto you, to take the pressure off Org.
How do you know what Org plays like?
And what does that have to do with anything? I really don't much care about your vote on me, I'm interested in the vote on Org.
Because clearly random voting Org is a policy lynch on him. Hell, I never said policy lynch at all.SirBayer, why are you defending Org's... Orgness?
Because we call it Orgness. It's like saying Pandarsenic making puns is a scumtell. Yeah, it's annoying. Yeah, it's not helpful. But it doesn't actually mean much, in context.
I'll grant that the only way to catch scum-Org is a policy lynch, but I won't stand behind this right now. It's a bad idea and it won't end well. I am fairly willing to put my bet on a useless town-Org.
(Of course having said that he'll be scum.)
So wait, you see Org doing what you call nulltells, so you assume he's town? That makes no sense at all. You're also not willing to scumhunt him to figure this out. You're also passive about it.I find it scummy that you both vote Org with a three-minute interval.
But yeah.
Well, yeah. When people jump on the same guy like that, with basically the exact same reasoning, it's often called a bandwagon. Which is scummy.
Not really. Bandwagoning is about voting without any reasoning at all OR trying to ride on someone else's reasoning. But lemme put it this way. What Org is doing is so unnacceptable that people voting him should be a given. Sure, some people are being a touch lazy about the reasoning and you're more than welcome to question them about it. Of course, I notice you've neglected to scumhunt everyone who's wagoned and are only going after one guy. This is a very odd time to tunnel considering you've got a myriad of targets.
Okay, let's look at why that makes no sense.
When's the last time you've legitimately seen a bandwagon without reasoning? Without any reasoning at all? That never happens, because it's stupid and obvious. No, you use someone else's reasoning. Like Zrk2 did. That's why I voted him.
As for refusing to target other people, nothing else stood out to me. What else can I say?
Quote from: Mr.Person
So then who's scummier? The guy who's spouting random nonsense or the guy who's buddying? And yet your vote is where it is - on Org. Haven't even FoS'd me. Just defended yourself.
Who's scummier? The defender of another or the defender of himself?
So you're well aware that you're buddying Org. Hell, you're even chainsaw defending him. Now why might that be? You make no effort to tell Org to shape up or anything! And I'd like to remind you that all you've said about Org is that he's spouting nulltells. So I see no reason you should be defending him except that you're scum.
Unvote, vote SirBayer
I can't even remember what a chainsaw defense is. I guess... attacking somebody to protect them?
Why would I tell Org to shape up? We've been doing that for years now and it doesn't make a difference.
And if he's spouting nulltells, but there's about to be a lynch on him, why in the name of all that is good and holy would I let that go through? Do you want us to waste our first day lynch? If he's town, and I think he is, that's two townies in the first night. If we don't have any real tells on him, why would I just leave it alone?
V THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART V
Also I'm not exactly sure why you're reacting when I never accused you. Jumpy, a bit? Your random vote is all fine and good. But you certainly seem to feel like you've done something wrong, or at least like I'm accusing you of such a thing. Now review that post. Did I ever say anything about you or your vote, yet again? The answer's no.
So, Mr. Person, what's your deal?
Post by: Darvi on March 06, 2011, 05:49:08 pm
Pfp.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 06, 2011, 06:18:37 pm
Bayer, I think you got something backwards there. We ( or at least I) didn't vote for herping derping. We voted him because he kept doing nothing else. It's active lurking at its finest. And you defending him makes you scummy too. Period.As far as I can tell, you're saying you voted Org for being scummy, and SirBayer for defending scum. Doesn't this mean that Bayer's scumminess is contingent on Org's scumminess, and that you should continue to vote Org?
In addition, I can't read that intention into your post that votes Org:
Would you mind explaining?
Org: Derp. Derpaderpaherp. Stop it.
Re: Post AboveSo... is he scum or isn't he? Scum doesn't buddy other scum unless you're claiming some kind of strange WIFOM.
I played once with Org before, he was annoying, but never this bad. Also, your need to defend Orgs indefensible position screams buddying.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 06, 2011, 06:20:38 pm
Because we call it Orgness. It's like saying Pandarsenic making puns is a scumtell. Yeah, it's annoying. Yeah, it's not helpful. But it doesn't actually mean much, in context.SirBayer, why do you think Org is useless town?
I'll grant that the only way to catch scum-Org is a policy lynch, but I won't stand behind this right now. It's a bad idea and it won't end well. I am fairly willing to put my bet on a useless town-Org.
Why would I tell Org to shape up? We've been doing that for years now and it doesn't make a difference.So you admit that he's useless, you admit that he's going to continue to be useless, you admit that there's no way to stop him from being useless, earlier you admitted he does not drop scumtells because he is always scummy, and you're still opposed to lynching him because we have no solid read on him.
And if he's spouting nulltells, but there's about to be a lynch on him, why in the name of all that is good and holy would I let that go through? Do you want us to waste our first day lynch? If he's town, and I think he is, that's two townies in the first night. If we don't have any real tells on him, why would I just leave it alone?
In other words, you're pushing an Org Policy Notlynch. Why?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 06, 2011, 07:17:12 pm
1. You're both scum and you're trying to save your buddy.
2. Org is a townie, and you are defending him so when he gets lynched you can say 'I told you so.'
Irregardless, Org may be a strange player, but this is totally unforgivable.
Post by: SirBayer on March 06, 2011, 09:51:45 pm
Bayer, I think you got something backwards there. We ( or at least I) didn't vote for herping derping. We voted him because he kept doing nothing else. It's active lurking at its finest. And you defending him makes you scummy too. Period.
Pfp.
So maybe you ignored what I was saying, in that this is all Org does? Or maybe I'm just mute and my text is all white and nobody's reading it. Hard to say.
Because we call it Orgness. It's like saying Pandarsenic making puns is a scumtell. Yeah, it's annoying. Yeah, it's not helpful. But it doesn't actually mean much, in context.SirBayer, why do you think Org is useless town?
I'll grant that the only way to catch scum-Org is a policy lynch, but I won't stand behind this right now. It's a bad idea and it won't end well. I am fairly willing to put my bet on a useless town-Org.
Dear heavens, do I seriously have to re-explain myself? Did nothing I just post count for anything? Anything?
No. No, I'm not going to repeat myself for everyone's convenience. You get this much: Because this is what Org does. And I'd rather take the like 10/13 chance that Org is a town or something other than a scum than just blindly jump onto him and lose two townies.
Or heck, even give him a win condition.
Quote from: IronyOwl
Why would I tell Org to shape up? We've been doing that for years now and it doesn't make a difference.So you admit that he's useless, you admit that he's going to continue to be useless, you admit that there's no way to stop him from being useless, earlier you admitted he does not drop scumtells because he is always scummy, and you're still opposed to lynching him because we have no solid read on him.
And if he's spouting nulltells, but there's about to be a lynch on him, why in the name of all that is good and holy would I let that go through? Do you want us to waste our first day lynch? If he's town, and I think he is, that's two townies in the first night. If we don't have any real tells on him, why would I just leave it alone?
In other words, you're pushing an Org Policy Notlynch. Why?
Because.
This.
Is.
Org.
Do I have to
REHASH EVERY WORD I SPEAK
You yourself just read a sentence I wrote and managed to produce a question that is answered by the statement I made.
Sir Bayer, I can only see 2 possibilities for your defense of Org:
1. You're both scum and you're trying to save your buddy.
2. Org is a townie, and you are defending him so when he gets lynched you can say 'I told you so.'
Irregardless, Org may be a strange player, but this is totally unforgivable.
That's a pretty limited set of circumstances. You're pigeonholing me into extremes. Org couldn't be third-party? I couldn't be defending a towny because it's a smart thing to do? I couldn't be third-party setting up something else? And you're holding off on a vote you should probably have made long ago, since at this point you don't seem to actually care about Org anymore.
Hmm. Waiting so that yours and Mr. Person's votes won't drop at the same time?
Irregardless may or may not be a word. >_>
Post by: Zrk2 on March 06, 2011, 09:56:27 pm
Or is my text white, too?
Post by: SirBayer on March 06, 2011, 09:59:40 pm
We get the fucking point. ORG PLAYS WEIRD, YET HOW HE IS PLAYING NOW IS WORSE THAN NORMAL. ORG BEING ORG IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO BE USELESS.
Or is my text white, too?
I stand by my statements. Numbers say I have more experience to speak from. If you want to go and take him out, I can't stop you, but don't let it be said I didn't try.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 06, 2011, 10:05:21 pm
Post by: Org on March 06, 2011, 10:06:23 pm
Post by: Org on March 06, 2011, 10:06:45 pm
Post by: webadict on March 06, 2011, 10:37:12 pm
Or did I block on the fourth day I DONT REMEMBER.The fact that you did it after I was pretty much confirmed was the real problem...
Post by: Mr.Person on March 06, 2011, 10:37:45 pm
What's making me more sure is your flailing, panicky behavior about getting voted and your attempt to link me and Zrk2 without any reasoning at all as to why you're doing so. The fact you avoided answering what makes you think Org is town is just another nail. I perfectly understand thinking Org isn't scum, but you went right passed that and started defending him. Now, I dunno about anybody else, but I have no reason to defend another player unless I think that other player is a townie. So logically you think Org is a townie.
You also didn't deny that when I first stated you thought he was a townie, so I'm forced to assume you agree. Feel free to deny thinking Org is a townie, but it makes your defense of him all the more worse if you do. You're in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. You're either defending Org because you think he's town without any real reason to think that or you're defending Org without thinking he's town. Both positions are scummy.
There's also this bit:
Also I'm not exactly sure why you're reacting when I never accused you. Jumpy, a bit? Your random vote is all fine and good. But you certainly seem to feel like you've done something wrong, or at least like I'm accusing you of such a thing. Now review that post. Did I ever say anything about you or your vote, yet again? The answer's no.
So, Mr. Person, what's your deal?
I don't even know where to begin. Yes, you never accused me of anything. No, you're the one that's jumpy. I accused you of defending Org without any reason to do so. Then you start trying to attack me for umm... defending myself? I'm not sure considering you're attacking me for something that hasn't happened. This is the first time all game you've mentioned me, so I'm just frankly confused as to what you're talking about here.
@Darvi: Don't answer for other people, especially if it's a question the other player hasn't answered in the first place. Sure, that's why you suspect Org, but it may or may not be the reasons other people suspect Org.
@Org: What do you think of SirBayer defense of you?
@Leafsnail: Scum "buddying" other scum is a classic scum move like OMGUS and lurking. Problem is, like those two, nobody does it anymore because it seems obvious. The idea is that if scum A defends scum B, all the townies might be convinced by scum A's argument that scum B is town, so they won't vote scum B. Can't believe you didn't think of that.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 06, 2011, 10:47:56 pm
And I'd rather take the like 10/13 chance that Org is a town or something other than a scum than just blindly jump onto him and lose two townies.The first is the entirety of your argument, then. Statistically he's town, therefore he's town.
By the way, I'm not gonna do anything all game except post enough to not get modkilled and bandwagon whoever has the most votes at the time. But, statistically I'll still be town, so I'm counting on you to defend me when people start calling me on it.
You then mention, for the second time, this dread condition of losing two townies, as though that weren't standard to a mislynch, or as if mislynches weren't common. Despite having no strong suspicions that I've seen, you're apparently mortified that we might lose two townies by lynching Org. But not, you know, whoever we eventually decide is scummy enough to lynch D1. Like the dreaded Zrk2, who bandwagoned Org while he herped, or maybe Person The Insidious for... calling you on defending Org without being asked about it. Yes, clearly one of those two won't lose us two townies, but Herp Derp The Innocent will.
Or heck, even give him a win condition.Yeah, no. You're dead set against lynching him, no matter how consistently and irrevocably useless, because statistically he's town, but then "Oh no guys, we might even let him win if we do that!" You're considering jester but refusing to consider scum, which there is really no defense for.
Post by: Jack A T on March 06, 2011, 11:22:58 pm
We get the fucking point. ORG PLAYS WEIRD, YET HOW HE IS PLAYING NOW IS WORSE THAN NORMAL. ORG BEING ORG IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO BE USELESS.
Or is my text white, too?
I stand by my statements. Numbers say I have more experience to speak from. If you want to go and take him out, I can't stop you, but don't let it be said I didn't try.
Numbers also say this is the first game you've played with Org since October. That was Pick Your Scumteam. In it, Org, on day 1, was giving coherent arguments. He was, admittedly, also being nonsensical at times, but he was still nice enough to give his reasoning for the things he actually did for the game. He was being useful in his own way: Herp derp herp derp vote change vote change COHERENT ARGUMENT COHERENT ARGUMENT herp derp COHERENT COUNTERARGUMENT and such.
As an example (date's messed up due to locked thread, but oh well),
Elegy seems not to be keeping a low profile. as some people pointed out. He seems to e being talked about much.
Not exactly low profile.
But he is being passive. Passive is bad, which makes you scum, Elegy.
I also seem to remember a more verbose Elegy in other posts not pertaining to mafia, but this is just a random bit of information as he has not played more than a single known game, making it useless.
In more recent games, he's still been willing to seriously contribute.
Spoiler: Org quotes (click to show/hide)
Post by: Book on March 07, 2011, 01:07:44 am
The name change happened not that long ago (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=76814.0). Mostly because I decided I like one-syllable generic nouns better than hard to spell obscure references; I lost Zathras' soul on a bet, but otherwise it's still me.SirBayer. Where the hell have you been? Why are you not playing the mafias anymore? Why do you think I am sure you are scum? which of the ongoing or recently ended games on the forum do you wish you could have entered? (and why didn't you?)I haven't been playing Mafias recently because I tire of games that turn into chores. Then I remember they're fun, so I play. Then I remember they're chores, so I quit.
I think you're scum because you changed your name. Why aren't you Zathras anymore? ANSWER MEEEEEEEE
But you didn't answer my questions. I didn't ask why you thought I was scum, but why you thought I thought you were scum. And also, which recent games you wish you would have joined, and why didn't you.
That being said, I'm glad to see you here. I hope you stick around for a while.
But seriously. You're still. Somehow. Surprised. When are people ever going to learn how Org actually plays?
Sure, It is not, but yet it is not good enough. I'm familiar enough with Org, and his antics this game have generally been par for the course. Not helpful-Org, but not caricature-of-himself-Org either. I'm not in favour of him hanging for being different, but for being similar. Just so he knows he can't get away with it every game. But I find it interesting that you object, without more grounds than "he's Org". Sure, he is, so?Wait wait why are you voting me I am joking, Herp a derpThis is a very, very good summary of what can be said. Dunno how long you've been around here, but whenever people say "This is so over and above for Org," the fact is it's really not.
[and similar ones]
I was catching up with the intention of unvoting you and voting either Org or some of the people attacking him, but your defence of him just strikes me as unfounded, and therefore scummy. Added to that your failure to actually answer my questions, I'm keeping my vote on you for now. Welcome back, SirBayer.
Oh, BayBay, the newbies are giving you a run for your money! What say you to the above?I stand by my statements. Numbers say I have more experience to speak from. If you want to go and take him out, I can't stop you, but don't let it be said I didn't try.Numbers also say this is the first game you've played with Org since October. That was Pick Your Scumteam. In it, Org, on day 1, was giving coherent arguments. He was, admittedly, also being nonsensical at times, but he was still nice enough to give his reasoning for the things he actually did for the game. He was being useful in his own way: Herp derp herp derp vote change vote change COHERENT ARGUMENT COHERENT ARGUMENT herp derp COHERENT COUNTERARGUMENT and such.
[...]Notice something about each of these posts? They're all from more recent games than the last one you played with Org, and they all involve Org actually being kind of not completely useless.
Post by: Darvi on March 07, 2011, 02:02:36 am
Who do you think is scummier? The lurker or the guy who goes out of his way to defend the lurker?Bayer, I think you got something backwards there. We ( or at least I) didn't vote for herping derping. We voted him because he kept doing nothing else. It's active lurking at its finest. And you defending him makes you scummy too. Period.As far as I can tell, you're saying you voted Org for being scummy, and SirBayer for defending scum. Doesn't this mean that Bayer's scumminess is contingent on Org's scumminess, and that you should continue to vote Org?
Quote
In addition, I can't read that intention into your post that votes Org:Sure. I tried communicating to Org in a language I hoped he would understand. Also, I wanted to show him just how ridiculous it was.Would you mind explaining?
Org: Derp. Derpaderpaherp. Stop it.
Post by: Toaster on March 07, 2011, 08:53:51 am
No. No, I'm not going to repeat myself for everyone's convenience. You get this much: Because this is what Org does. And I'd rather take the like 10/13 chance that Org is a town or something other than a scum than just blindly jump onto him and lose two townies.
Two questions:
Where did you get the count of three scum?
Where did you get thirteen at all? There are fifteen people playing.
Let's avoid useless statistics this game, please.
Book: You never answered me.
Book: I see a lot of screwing around and not much hunting from you. What do you expect the chaos that Pandar promises will do to your scum hunting strategy?
I maintain that I haven't seen much hunting from you beyond Bayer, so you get this question too: Who is your #2 pick right now?
Argembarger: Do you think Org will distract from good D1 hunting, or do you think he'll help create discussion topics (indirectly)?
Native: I haven't seen any hunting from you at all. What's your opinion of Org, Bayer, and Darvi? Who are your top two picks?
Eduren, RedWarrior, and Tyberix: Do you have win conditions?
Post by: SirBayer on March 07, 2011, 11:48:53 am
You might as well not even talk to me anymore SirBayer, I have never been more convinced of anyone's scuminess. The only reasons you have to defend another player right now have been stated quite well by Zrk2. You're scum defending scum or scum buddying a non-scum. There are no other options. If you were a townie, you wouldn't have anything to make you so sure of Org's towniness because all he's dropped are nulltells and scumtells.
What's making me more sure is your flailing, panicky behavior about getting voted and your attempt to link me and Zrk2 without any reasoning at all as to why you're doing so. The fact you avoided answering what makes you think Org is town is just another nail. I perfectly understand thinking Org isn't scum, but you went right passed that and started defending him. Now, I dunno about anybody else, but I have no reason to defend another player unless I think that other player is a townie. So logically you think Org is a townie.
You also didn't deny that when I first stated you thought he was a townie, so I'm forced to assume you agree. Feel free to deny thinking Org is a townie, but it makes your defense of him all the more worse if you do. You're in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. You're either defending Org because you think he's town without any real reason to think that or you're defending Org without thinking he's town. Both positions are scummy.
There's also this bit:Also I'm not exactly sure why you're reacting when I never accused you. Jumpy, a bit? Your random vote is all fine and good. But you certainly seem to feel like you've done something wrong, or at least like I'm accusing you of such a thing. Now review that post. Did I ever say anything about you or your vote, yet again? The answer's no.
So, Mr. Person, what's your deal?
I don't even know where to begin. Yes, you never accused me of anything. No, you're the one that's jumpy. I accused you of defending Org without any reason to do so. Then you start trying to attack me for umm... defending myself? I'm not sure considering you're attacking me for something that hasn't happened. This is the first time all game you've mentioned me, so I'm just frankly confused as to what you're talking about here.
@Darvi: Don't answer for other people, especially if it's a question the other player hasn't answered in the first place. Sure, that's why you suspect Org, but it may or may not be the reasons other people suspect Org.
@Org: What do you think of SirBayer defense of you?
@Leafsnail: Scum "buddying" other scum is a classic scum move like OMGUS and lurking. Problem is, like those two, nobody does it anymore because it seems obvious. The idea is that if scum A defends scum B, all the townies might be convinced by scum A's argument that scum B is town, so they won't vote scum B. Can't believe you didn't think of that.
Well, meesir Person, I have a question.
At what point did I name you? Can you find a post in which I accused you of anything until you suddenly jumped and said "OH NO HE IS ACCUSING ME OF BANDWAGON"? Can you find me a post in which I even mentioned you?
You yourself say no.
So why were you defending yourself from me?
[/color=red]Unvote, vote Mr. Person.[/color] Why would you post like five paragraphs of why I'm scum when I only touched you once? A paragraph worth of information and you jump out of your shoes like I've suddenly targeted you.
A reminder:
Quote from: Mr. Person
Then you start trying to attack me for umm... defending myself?
Because clearly random voting Org is a policy lynch on him. Hell, I never said policy lynch at all.
Why did you defend yourself from an accusation that was never placed on you? You felt it necessary to bring up the fact that you weren't "policy-lynching." Why? I never mentioned you. I never looked at you. You random-voted him like you said and then just assumed that I was accusing you of something.
Why?
SirBayer:No. No, I'm not going to repeat myself for everyone's convenience. You get this much: Because this is what Org does. And I'd rather take the like 10/13 chance that Org is a town or something other than a scum than just blindly jump onto him and lose two townies.
Two questions:
Where did you get the count of three scum?
Where did you get thirteen at all? There are fifteen people playing.
Let's avoid useless statistics this game, please.
Err. Miscount. 25% being scum as I recall. Is it 33%? I dunno.
IMPORTANT DETAIL ON HOW THIS GAME IS GETTING CRAZY
I received a PM from Pandarsenic. I understand a little bit more about how this is going, and I see that I was wrong in many instances - yes, this is unusual behavior for Org. I think his role had an effect on me, and I'm not entirely sure if I can divulge what I've been told. Or if it would even be wise to, under the circumstances. I need to talk to Pandar about that first matter, though, so I'll come back with some sort of idea of how I should handle this.
Post by: SirBayer on March 07, 2011, 11:49:46 am
Post by: Toaster on March 07, 2011, 11:55:17 am
Pandar: Is this game open PM? I'm guessing no, but it's worth asking at this point.
Post by: SirBayer on March 07, 2011, 12:06:29 pm
Bayer: His role had an effect on you? You mean Org's role? How would you know his role, short of being scumbuddies?
Org's role had an effect on me. Again I'm not quite yet sure if I can divulge what I was informed of, nor if it would be wise or beneficial to say anything. I just thought you ought to know it had happened.
Post by: SirBayer on March 07, 2011, 12:12:34 pm
Speaking of which - that Org quote. That was so definitely forged. >_> Definitely.
But seriously, when did Org start being useful? That is seriously new since I last stopped playing the Mafias.
Post by: Toaster on March 07, 2011, 01:05:36 pm
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 07, 2011, 01:57:08 pm
Org is playing like Org does, and just like every game that Org plays like Org does, everyone else is being an absolute moron and doing what they do, namely trying to push a lynch that, statistically speaking, almost never takes place. You know why? It's because Org's entire playstyle revolves around making everything a giant goddam mess and obscuring shit until people stop bothering to pay attention to him.
SirBayer is not defending Org, he's defending what I view as the completely sane notion that you all are wasting your time, and the majority of D1, on trying to attack Org because he likes to say, "Herp derpy derp herp."
Fucking stop doing it.
In every single game, someone goes after Org for being Org. It's not even close to being an excuse for scumhunting; it's essentially active lurking, because you're never going to get a response - you're going to sit there with your thumbs up your ass saying, "oh man org dinnit say nuffin useful, guess i cant argue with him so ill just leave my voet."
That's where I stand. Yes, useful arguments have been gleaned since then. But if you're only going after Org after this post, then you're active-lurking scum in my book.
Moving on: Mr.Person, this was quite interesting:
You might as well not even talk to me anymore SirBayer, I have never been more convinced of anyone's scuminess. The only reasons you have to defend another player right now have been stated quite well by Zrk2. You're scum defending scum or scum buddying a non-scum. There are no other options. If you were a townie, you wouldn't have anything to make you so sure of Org's towniness because all he's dropped are nulltells and scumtells.
What's making me more sure is your flailing, panicky behavior about getting voted and your attempt to link me and Zrk2 without any reasoning at all as to why you're doing so. The fact you avoided answering what makes you think Org is town is just another nail. I perfectly understand thinking Org isn't scum, but you went right passed that and started defending him. Now, I dunno about anybody else, but I have no reason to defend another player unless I think that other player is a townie. So logically you think Org is a townie.
You also didn't deny that when I first stated you thought he was a townie, so I'm forced to assume you agree. Feel free to deny thinking Org is a townie, but it makes your defense of him all the more worse if you do. You're in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. You're either defending Org because you think he's town without any real reason to think that or you're defending Org without thinking he's town. Both positions are scummy.
Bolded my talking points here.
1. You're admitting to explicit tunneling on D1, stating that you won't even listen to what he has to say because you're now absolutely positive that he's scum? This means that if he's town, you've wasted all of D1 tunneling him and being stubborn (bad for town). If you're scum, and you're trying to push a lynch on him, then you're a big jerk and that's also bad for town. If he's scum, which I don't see how you think he is at this point, then congrats, but you still spent all of your time on him and no one else.
2. You and Zrk2 are about as buddied up as Bayer and Org seem to be in your eyes. You're teaming up to attack Bayer, whereas Org hasn't even acknowledged that he's noticed Bayer. So why shouldn't we be looking at you for what you're doing, exactly? Covert buddying is just as much of a scumtell as overt buddying, isn't it? The two of you are working together to make a stronger case against someone with no real evidence against him - just that you think he's defending someone on D1. And somehow, that was enough of a reason for both of you to vote Bayer? The only way I can see that the two of you would have any reason to work together is that you're both scum, know he's town, and picked him out for your D1 lynch.
3. You're forcing Bayer into that situation, you know. You're making an assumption (which may or may not be true, I'm not sure of that myself) and you're basing a large portion of your argument on it without any basis. And as I said before, you're essentially doing the same thing. You're voting Bayer because you either think he's scummy with pretty much jack shit for reasoning other than "he has no reason to defend Org." You have no reason to attack him for it unless you don't like the idea of a player thinking another player is town. One player's vote isn't going to sway things all that much - but two votes, like yours and Zrk2, working together? That's starting to look like a different story.
I don't much care what happens to SirBayer. That would be a load of great information at this point. But you, Mr.Person, are voting him for reasons that I find absolutely fallacious and hypocritical. Unacceptable.
Post by: SirBayer on March 07, 2011, 02:01:49 pm
Was it a friendly-neighbor type effect?
I believe so.
Jow:
Do note that Zrk2 hasn't voted me yet. FoS'ed, but as far as I know his vote is still on Org.
Still haven't gotten a hold of Pandar to ask him if I can say what I've seen.
Post by: Tyberix on March 07, 2011, 02:04:31 pm
Spoiled Spectators will be given the appropriate information as of the first death of a player.Answer to the question above.
Post by: Darvi on March 07, 2011, 02:57:22 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 07, 2011, 03:52:13 pm
SirBayer is not defending Org, he's defending what I view as the completely sane notion that you all are wasting your time, and the majority of D1, on trying to attack Org because he likes to say, "Herp derpy derp herp."
Fucking stop doing it.
In every single game, someone goes after Org for being Org. It's not even close to being an excuse for scumhunting; it's essentially active lurking, because you're never going to get a response - you're going to sit there with your thumbs up your ass saying, "oh man org dinnit say nuffin useful, guess i cant argue with him so ill just leave my voet."
We vote him because he is totally useless, moreso this game. I wouldn't vote for him if he contributes, but his sum total contribution so for has been
'herp derp
derpa herp
derp herp fucking derp.'
It's totally useless, and anti-town.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 07, 2011, 05:06:00 pm
Sir Bayer, in case you missed it, I opened voting on you, but moved it over to Org for his playing like a bad imitation of himself. You didn't seem to warrant it, but you seem to be trying to draw votes onto you, to take the pressure off Org.This is a pretty bizarre allegation. I don't think I've ever seen scum try this day one (mainly because it's a completely stupid idea). I guess you're at least calling a spade a spade though.
@Leafsnail: Scum "buddying" other scum is a classic scum move like OMGUS and lurking. Problem is, like those two, nobody does it anymore because it seems obvious. The idea is that if scum A defends scum B, all the townies might be convinced by scum A's argument that scum B is town, so they won't vote scum B. Can't believe you didn't think of that.That's not buddying, though. Buddying specifically implies that you're trying to get someone on your side (which is pointless if you're both scum unless you're WIFOMing in a really retarded way). I guess you could accuse him of shielding his scumbuddy instead, but that's completely different.
You might as well not even talk to me anymore SirBayer, I have never been more convinced of anyone's scuminess. The only reasons you have to defend another player right now have been stated quite well by Zrk2. You're scum defending scum or scum buddying a non-scum. There are no other options. If you were a townie, you wouldn't have anything to make you so sure of Org's towniness because all he's dropped are nulltells and scumtells.This is not a good mentality to get into unless you're a witch hunter ("He's a witch! Anyone who disagrees is also a witch!"). Even if you're 100% convinced that you'd never defend anyone unless you're scum, you can't extrapolate that to say that "Noone would ever defend anyone unless they're scum".
Who do you think is scummier? The lurker or the guy who goes out of his way to defend the lurker?It depends on what reasoning you're using. As far as I can tell, you're saying he's scummy for defending scum. If that actually is your reasoning, you should be voting Org, as the reasoning is invalid unless Org is scum.
You could also be saying that defending a lurker, town or scum is scummy, but I think I'd need more of an explanation on this one. Specifically, since when are scum averse to bandwagons on townies?
Sure. I tried communicating to Org in a language I hoped he would understand. Also, I wanted to show him just how ridiculous it was.Yeah, it showed him how ridiculous it was. Yes, it could be seen as a policy vote (and possibly a justified one). But I don't see how it states that you're voting him because you think he's scummy (something you're now claiming). I'll ask you to look up: making a policy vote while trying to claim it isn't a policy vote is scummy, as it's entirely self image based.
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 07, 2011, 05:08:09 pm
Native: I haven't seen any hunting from you at all. What's your opinion of Org, Bayer, and Darvi? Who are your top two picks?
I've been entirely too busy lately.
Org: The best choice for a lynch right now, IMO. He's acting even more derptastic this game and unless that changes, he needs to go. Bayer's and Jokerman's arguments against an Org lynch are utter bullshit and it's why Org keeps pulling the shit he does. "It's Org playing like Org, just leave him alone." Yeah, no.
Bayer: I'm getting a bit of a town vibe from Bayer. I don't think he'd be dumb enough to blatantly defend Org if he was scumbuddies with Org. I think he's only doing so because he feels the same way as Jokerman, and that doesn't necessarily make him scum just because I disagree with that.
Darvi:I have next to nothing on Darvi.
My top two picks are Org and Mr. Person. Org for reasons stated above and Mr. Person because of his explicit tunneling of Bayer.
Mr. Person: Could you please offer your reads on anyone else you might suspect at the moment? If you think SirBayer is scum, who do you think is his scumbuddy?
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 07, 2011, 06:15:16 pm
Joker. I don't mind his derping. He can herp as much as he wants to. Provided he dös something constructive. And He isn't. And if him getting lynched never Happens, then it's because of people like you and Bayer who insist on Not lynching him. I think at least One of you are scum trying to use the cofusion he creates to hide yourselves from the scumhunting.(pfp)
What exactly are you FoSing me for? You're saying that either myself or Bayer is scum trying to use Org's methods to cover ourselves?
You're absolutely right! Clearly I am scum, and the best method for preserving myself was to throw myself into the middle of the biggest argument on the minority side. /sarcasm
Or, and here's a better idea: that was an absolutely idiotic statement on your part, and you should probably try harder. You're just throwing out WIFOM you know.
SirBayer is not defending Org, he's defending what I view as the completely sane notion that you all are wasting your time, and the majority of D1, on trying to attack Org because he likes to say, "Herp derpy derp herp."
Fucking stop doing it.
In every single game, someone goes after Org for being Org. It's not even close to being an excuse for scumhunting; it's essentially active lurking, because you're never going to get a response - you're going to sit there with your thumbs up your ass saying, "oh man org dinnit say nuffin useful, guess i cant argue with him so ill just leave my voet."
We vote him because he is totally useless, moreso this game. I wouldn't vote for him if he contributes, but his sum total contribution so for has been
'herp derp
derpa herp
derp herp fucking derp.'
It's totally useless, and anti-town.
I really love the way you continue to use "we" in your posts. Keep that up, it makes it easier to figure out the scumteam when you give your reasons all together. Almost as if you were taking them straight from your scumchat.
I'll also point out: you say that Org has done nothing but herp and derp. You know what you've done?
Herping is stupid. Scum.
Derping is stupid. Scum.
Which, let me see...carry the two...yeah, that's about the same amount of jack shit.
Post by: SirBayer on March 07, 2011, 06:47:45 pm
Paraphrased, I managed to weed through Org's derping and herping to realize that he's a jester. Take it as you will; disbelieve it if you like. It obviously isn't going to significantly affect your opinion of me.
Be sure you understand: I am not guaranteeing that this information is accurate. It is simply what I've been told, by Pandar, via PM.
That said: My obvious, stated picks are Mr. Person and Zrk2.
SirBayer is not defending Org, he's defending what I view as the completely sane notion that you all are wasting your time, and the majority of D1, on trying to attack Org because he likes to say, "Herp derpy derp herp."
Fucking stop doing it.
In every single game, someone goes after Org for being Org. It's not even close to being an excuse for scumhunting; it's essentially active lurking, because you're never going to get a response - you're going to sit there with your thumbs up your ass saying, "oh man org dinnit say nuffin useful, guess i cant argue with him so ill just leave my voet."
We vote him because he is totally useless, moreso this game. I wouldn't vote for him if he contributes, but his sum total contribution so for has been
'herp derp
derpa herp
derp herp fucking derp.'
It's totally useless, and anti-town.
Dunno if you've heard this sentiment before, but anti-town =/= scum. Just because they're useless doesn't mean they're scum. Could mean they're an idiot. Could mean they're a jester, as is the case.
Post by: Org on March 07, 2011, 06:52:32 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 07, 2011, 07:01:48 pm
Im calling shenanigans. My power is a night action.
...HOLY SHIT!
Good to see you coherent! Now, why did you say you didn't think Zrk2 was scum?
Post by: Org on March 07, 2011, 07:51:41 pm
WhatIm calling shenanigans. My power is a night action.
...HOLY SHIT!
Good to see you coherent! Now, why did you say you didn't think Zrk2 was scum?
Post by: Jack A T on March 07, 2011, 07:55:23 pm
WhatIm calling shenanigans. My power is a night action.
...HOLY SHIT!
Good to see you coherent! Now, why did you say you didn't think Zrk2 was scum?
This:
I dont think Zrk is scum.
Also,
Jack A T:Toaster: Org's acting weirdly, even for him. Why would he?
You'd have to ask him.
Why did you ask me?
How did I miss this? It was an attempt to see what people's theories were.
Post by: Org on March 07, 2011, 07:56:08 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on March 07, 2011, 08:10:54 pm
In every single game, someone goes after Org for being Org. It's not even close to being an excuse for scumhunting; it's essentially active lurking, because you're never going to get a response - you're going to sit there with your thumbs up your ass saying, "oh man org dinnit say nuffin useful, guess i cant argue with him so ill just leave my voet."Of course, that's exactly what Org is doing. So, along with SirBayer, I fully expect you to defend me from anyone who goes after me for not doing anything but voting Org.
That's where I stand. Yes, useful arguments have been gleaned since then. But if you're only going after Org after this post, then you're active-lurking scum in my book.
Man, it'll be nice having two defenders. Herp derp derp derp derp derp derp.
Also herp.
Okay, I've confirmed with Pandar that I can share what I know. I don't see how it'll hurt anything to put it out there, so this is what the PM told me:What? You got a PM from the mod, which allowed you to see through Org's nonsense to realize he's a jester, or you got a PM from Pandar that explicitly said so, or what? What exactly are you trying to say here, and why should we believe you?
Paraphrased, I managed to weed through Org's derping and herping to realize that he's a jester. Take it as you will; disbelieve it if you like. It obviously isn't going to significantly affect your opinion of me.
Be sure you understand: I am not guaranteeing that this information is accurate. It is simply what I've been told, by Pandar, via PM.
Post by: SirBayer on March 07, 2011, 08:22:42 pm
Post by: Org on March 07, 2011, 08:24:13 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 07, 2011, 08:40:41 pm
Derp....right.
Zrk2: Outside of Org, who do you suspect? How about if Org is town?
You might as well not even talk to me anymore SirBayer, I have never been more convinced of anyone's scuminess. The only reasons you have to defend another player right now have been stated quite well by Zrk2. You're scum defending scum or scum buddying a non-scum. There are no other options. If you were a townie, you wouldn't have anything to make you so sure of Org's towniness because all he's dropped are nulltells and scumtells.Mr. Person: And it isn't possible for a townie to defend Org's insanity? Because, frankly, people will do that for some reason. Also, that first sentence? Painful to read, y'know.
And finally, the whole Mr. Person/SirBayer "policy lynch" "accusation" mess:
Mr. Person, SirBayer, Zrk2 said it was a policy lynch vote. Not SirBayer. Zrk2. SirBayer, I think Mr. Person was...responding to Zrk2's post a few days late without stating that he was actually responding to it in a post otherwise completely dedicated to responding to SirBayer. Easy enough mistake to make. Yeah. Definitely.
...wait, WHAT?
Mr. Person: Is there a reason why you were so unclear about who you were responding to? Do you consider it possible that SirBayer could have misunderstood the first line of that post?
Post by: SirBayer on March 07, 2011, 10:59:49 pm
I am not a jester. I think Bayer is buddying, possibly for when he flips scum.
I think my point stands proven.
We really need a votecount.
Jack A T: What I don't get is why he would jump onto me. Suddenly accuse me of everything. Does that make any sense to you? Clearing up a mistake, sure.
Posting five paragraphs of OMGUS at someone who never accused you of anything... no.
Post by: SirBayer on March 07, 2011, 11:01:06 pm
Mayhaps if you hadn't derped so much, Org...?
Post by: Jack A T on March 08, 2011, 12:09:43 am
Jack A T: What I don't get is why he would jump onto me. Suddenly accuse me of everything. Does that make any sense to you? Clearing up a mistake, sure.
Posting five paragraphs of OMGUS at someone who never accused you of anything... no.
I think most of his arguments were utter bullshit (the entire post built around the assumption that there's no possible way that Org could be jester, something non-town that should not be lynched, in your eyes, for example), and I have an odd feeling that he put that one line in just to spark an argument to make you look scummy (I'm rather doubtful of that, though). He felt a bit too ready to jump on you.
I do agree with him that the constant defense of Org didn't look good, but the rest of the stuff...bleh.
Post by: Toaster on March 08, 2011, 12:39:24 am
Org: Why do you think Bayer is covering you? What's your theory on the source of his message, since you claimed it wasn't you?
Bayer: What do you take of Org saying he didn't generate the message? What do you think of the idea of scum having an ability to tell someone else that they are a jester? Why would anyone want anyone else to know that?
Post by: Argembarger on March 08, 2011, 12:53:27 am
Unvote Org, because
I am not a jester. I think Bayer is buddying, possibly for when he flips scum.and
Im calling shenanigans. My power is a night action.This is a refreshing change. I approve. Or, at least, it's less horrifically useless than "herpaderp derp derp herp derp".
SirBayer, did you ask Pandar yourself or did his PM come unbidden? Any flavor for this "effect" Org had on you that you'd like to share? All in all, your claim and your game thus far seems fulla holes.
Darvi, so far, the majority of what you've talked about is Ottofar's voting shenanigans in the beginning of the game, and Org related things. You aren't questioning much. Confident in your suspicions then?
Leafsnail, teensy bit lurkish
Bayer, I think you got something backwards there. We ( or at least I) didn't vote for herping derping. We voted him because he kept doing nothing else. It's active lurking at its finest. And you defending him makes you scummy too. Period.As far as I can tell, you're saying you voted Org for being scummy, and SirBayer for defending scum. Doesn't this mean that Bayer's scumminess is contingent on Org's scumminess, and that you should continue to vote Org?
Is this your own opinion? </confused>
In addition, I can't read that intention into your post that votes Org:Would you mind explaining?
Org: Derp. Derpaderpaherp. Stop it.Re: Post AboveSo... is he scum or isn't he? Scum doesn't buddy other scum unless you're claiming some kind of strange WIFOM.
I played once with Org before, he was annoying, but never this bad. Also, your need to defend Orgs indefensible position screams buddying.
In your opinion, is there a line between trying to prevent an Org-lynch and buddying Org? If so, where is it and when was it crossed?
Ottofar, where are you? Org has literally contributed more than you have now. How do you feel about that, and what are your current suspicions?
Zrk2, are you aware that there are players other than Org and SirBayer in this game?
lordnincompoop, you show up, make a single post with a huge batch of questions for everyone, follow up on zero of them and disappear? Are you hoping that the huge post you started out with will give you ample time to lurk?
Book, your case on SirBayer seems a tad lazy, especially since there are far lurkier players than he. Could you rehash your case on him and possibly others, please?
Jack A T, you're not currently voting anyone. How come? Also, do you think it is effective to counter an argument rooted in meta by using more meta?
Org, any plans to follow through with your suspicions, perhaps with some active scumhunting?
Jokerman-EXE, nothing jumps out from your posts so far in my opinion. Token question time: what do you think of SirBayer's claim?
Toaster, to answer your question: I think the way Org was acting was by and large just a scumhunting distraction. It gives scum an easy target, and it gives town a lazy target. This is bad, and I was also guilty of some laziness there. Any discussion Org creates indirectly (and he has indeed created some) should not be taken to his credit. It's a positive outcome, but nobody should claim that was his intention all along.
It's an interesting question though. What is your opinion?
IronyOwl, if Org did not have a track record for Orglike behavior, how would your thoughts on this game be altered?
NativeForeigner, do you have next to nothing on Darvi because there is nothing to be gotten, or because you aren't paying attention to him? Does the possibility of Jester Org deter you from from wanting to lynch him?
Mr. Person, what are your reads on the other players in this game that you've yet to mention?
aaand now it's bedtime for me.
Post by: Jack A T on March 08, 2011, 01:48:31 am
Jack A T, you're not currently voting anyone. How come? Also, do you think it is effective to counter an argument rooted in meta by using more meta?
You're the second person so far to miss my Org vote. Admittedly, it's an old vote and I've only really kept it on him to pressure him into actually doing something. He's doing something, and other people are acting scummy, so Unvote.
Meta: I feel that meta is the most effective counter to meta. As a meta argument is usually based around consistent previous behaviour, finding something that will show inconsistency is the most effective counter. Also, I feel that newer meta trumps older meta.
Post by: Jack A T on March 08, 2011, 01:50:14 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 08, 2011, 05:21:51 am
SirBayer - 6 - Book Zrk2 Darvi Mr.Person IronyOwl Org
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 1 - Argembarger
Argembarger - 1 - lordnincompoop
Zrk2 - 2 - Leafsnail Ottofar
lordnincompoop - 0
Book - 0
Jack A T - 0
Org - 1 - NativeForeigner
Jokerman-EXE - 0
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 1 - Toaster
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 3 - SirBayer JokermanEXE Jack_A_T
A reminder, the deadline approaches soon.
Book, LurkerTracker post at your convenience, please.
Edit: On account of 3 people having been listed as voting multiple times, I'm no longer going to attempt to be generous about people forgetting to unvote. Yes, you now have to even say "Unvote nobody, vote X" from now on.
Post by: Argembarger on March 08, 2011, 08:32:03 am
Also, I feel that newer meta trumps older meta.
Why?
Also, somehow I managed not only to miss your Org vote, but also miss someone else reposting your Org vote for convenience. Bluh bluh one o'clock after midnight.
Post by: Toaster on March 08, 2011, 09:38:40 am
Also, is that Wednesday 3:00 PST AM or PM?
Actual content in a bit.
Post by: Ottofar on March 08, 2011, 11:26:22 am
I think I'm believing both Org and Bayer.
I think Zrk might be scum for Bandwagoning and Tunneling.
Also Jack A T.
Post by: Book on March 08, 2011, 12:06:03 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 08, 2011, 12:28:37 pm
@leafsnail: does the wine taste good? I voted org because he wasn't contributing (which is a scumtell, no matter how you put it) and to make him actually do something.
You have no basis for claiming that it was a policy vote.
@argembarger: I can barely manage to read on this flipping machine. I'll have to wait until my computer takes less than half an hour to load a goddamn webpage to read the entire thread and make any questions on that.
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 08, 2011, 01:01:39 pm
That was a quote from the PM, which was from Pandar, who is the mod. Org is a jester. THis is what it said. That's all. Can't get any simpler.
If you got such a PM, why do you think YOU were the one to receive it?
NativeForeigner, do you have next to nothing on Darvi because there is nothing to be gotten, or because you aren't paying attention to him? Does the possibility of Jester Org deter you from from wanting to lynch him?
I have next to nothing on Darvi because I haven't been paying him much attention. I'll amend this at one point, but I didn't have the time to at the time of my posting. The possibility of Jester Org wouldn't really make me not want to lynch him if I thought he was scummy.
Post by: Toaster on March 08, 2011, 01:17:38 pm
Argem: Org is always a pain to read. As far as judging Org entirely of the content of his posts, he's so far said that:
1. He thinks Zrk2 isn't scum
2. He has a night action
3. A million flavors of herp derp
This is not contribution. I have questions outstanding to him, but he definitely useless so far. My gut's telling me third party when reading him alone.
When you factor in Bayer, it gets much more interesting. I need to clarify, but Bayer is indicating that- unprompted- he got a message telling him that Org is a jester. Both Bayer and Org deny their role is responsible for this.
What baffles me is why any jester would want anyone to know they're a jester. A friendly neighbor message claiming you're a jester seems to be great cover for scum, so it makes me pretty suspicious of Org.
I have questions out to Org on this, so let me point some at Bayer. I am correct at interpreting that your role had nothing to do with this message, correct? Do you trust the message? What do you think the source was?
Native: Do you think Bayer and Jokerman are scummy for their "utter bullshit" arguments against the Org lynch?
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 08, 2011, 01:34:27 pm
lordnincompoop, you show up, make a single post with a huge batch of questions for everyone, follow up on zero of them and disappear? Are you hoping that the huge post you started out with will give you ample time to lurk?
To be honest, a large part of it was due to the fact that I forgot I was in this.
I'm also quite busy with my schoolwork, and after that I spend some more hours helping out in a public event, meaning I'm rather too busy to contribute properly. Sorry.
I'm sleeping early today though, because this'll be the best sleep I'll have in a very long time so I'd better take it.
If you want to replace me, go right ahead.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 08, 2011, 02:56:51 pm
Unfortunately, since he contributes very little that is useful and his reactions mostly consist of some variation of "derp", it makes him near-impossible to read as well as a bad player regardless of alignment.
SirBayer's fervent defense of Org is suspicious indeed, but right now, even after rereading the thread, I don't see very many scumtells. I'm going to withhold my vote until I see something I find definite. Unvote.
SirBayer, "Orgness" in my opinion isn't a sufficient defense for him. If a person makes a habit of playing badly in games, it does not give them a free pass to play badly elsewhere. He is playing badly, and bad play is inexcusable. Additionally, why where you so quick to try to deflect the attacks against him? The only motivations I can think of for doing so is to defend one's scumpartner.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 08, 2011, 02:58:37 pm
So then who's scummier? The guy who's spouting random nonsense or the guy who's buddying? And yet your vote is where it is - on Org. Haven't even FoS'd me. Just defended yourself.
Who's scummier? The defender of another or the defender of himself?
That is irrelevant. You appear scummy in your defense of him. IF you're trying to counter, think of something else.
Post by: SirBayer on March 08, 2011, 03:08:53 pm
SirBayer, did you ask Pandar yourself or did his PM come unbidden? Any flavor for this "effect" Org had on you that you'd like to share? All in all, your claim and your game thus far seems fulla holes.
I won't argue with you on the game. I'm not playing well this time, I shan't deny that.
The claim, however, is honest and true. This PM was received unbidden. The flavor implied that I managed to understand via all of Org's derping that he was saying he was a Jester, or in short that I translated the derping. That makes it unclear whether the role was Org's or mine, honestly.
While I'm not averse to believing that Org is a jester, I still don't believe Bayer to be entirely innocent either. For all we know the PM never happened and he's making it all up to cover for his buddying.
Well yes, perhaps the PM never happened.
But notice when Org started contributing - when he was no longer the focus of attention and of desired lynch.
Only then did he change his slant. So if you disbelieve me I'm fine with that, I just think it warrants more faith than you're giving it.
That was a quote from the PM, which was from Pandar, who is the mod. Org is a jester. THis is what it said. That's all. Can't get any simpler.
If you got such a PM, why do you think YOU were the one to receive it?
I'm assuming random chance. I have abilities, but I don't actually know what any of them do. They're also all one-shots, so unless there's a hidden passive, if you will, I either used one against my will or it was someone else's role. If it was it was probably random chance.
When you factor in Bayer, it gets much more interesting. I need to clarify, but Bayer is indicating that- unprompted- he got a message telling him that Org is a jester. Both Bayer and Org deny their role is responsible for this.
What baffles me is why any jester would want anyone to know they're a jester. A friendly neighbor message claiming you're a jester seems to be great cover for scum, so it makes me pretty suspicious of Org.
I have questions out to Org on this, so let me point some at Bayer. I am correct at interpreting that your role had nothing to do with this message, correct? Do you trust the message? What do you think the source was?
Correct. So far as I know, it was uninvolved. I do trust the message, mostly because of Org's sudden change in behavior. I suspect he was responsible for it, since no Law is in effect.
I may have misinterpreted the "Friendly Neighbor," type as anything that reveals a role - I don't think Org intentionally informed me of his role. No Jester would. I think it was unintentional.
Bayer: What do you take of Org saying he didn't generate the message? What do you think of the idea of scum having an ability to tell someone else that they are a jester? Why would anyone want anyone else to know that?
I don't know what I'd think about that. It's entirely possible and the thought hadn't crossed my mind, but Org's behavior is more consistent with a Jester than with a Mafioso. Org saying he didn't generate the message means that either he was out of control, he's trying something crazy, or he's just trying to avoid consequences, or any combination of the last three.
Lordnincompoop: Review what happened in these last few pages. Especially observe Mr. Person, if you will. Do you have anything to say about Org's potential Jesterhood? Do you have anything to say about Mr. Person's hilari-jump? Do you have anybody else to look at?
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 08, 2011, 03:20:43 pm
Native: Do you think Bayer and Jokerman are scummy for their "utter bullshit" arguments against the Org lynch?
I find Bayer questionable because I don't know his meta, but I've seen Jokerman say the exact same things about Org when he was town. He just never really approves of an Org lynch.
Bayer: Noted. You are currently one vote away from being hammered. Is that causing you to consider to roleclaim or do something else in an attempt to persuade everyone otherwise? Or do you think you can get out of this some other way?
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 08, 2011, 03:22:33 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 08, 2011, 03:25:33 pm
Pandar: Book, Zrk2, and Darvi are all voting twice. Zrk2 is listed as having 3 votes despite having only two names beside him. Are these all correct?Ah, I get that now. Wow, I should vote more often :P *joke, for those of you without humor*
Point. But his contributions weren't really much (only half a roleclaim, and stating that "Zrk isn't scum").While I'm not averse to believing that Org is a jester, I still don't believe Bayer to be entirely innocent either. For all we know the PM never happened and he's making it all up to cover for his buddying.
Well yes, perhaps the PM never happened.
But notice when Org started contributing - when he was no longer the focus of attention and of desired lynch.
Only then did he change his slant. So if you disbelieve me I'm fine with that, I just think it warrants more faith than you're giving it.
Chances for his roles imo are 40% for Jester, 55% for scum engaging in RiA and 5% other. While you... really, your initial arguments for defending him were bullcrap. I'd say 75% scum and 25% other.
Nincompoop, since you're here right now, you should be able to answer this:
-What is your read on Ottofar?
-Do you think Person is indulging in tunneling Bayer?
(Hammer: So many votes and day is over, victim gets instantly lynched.)
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 08, 2011, 03:27:46 pm
Nincompoop, since you're here right now, you should be able to answer this:
-What is your read on Ottofar?
He is lurktastic as always, unfortunately. I'm hoping he'll post something useful soon.
-Do you think Person is indulging in tunneling Bayer?
Buh?
(Hammer: So many votes and day is over, victim gets instantly lynched.)
I'd like more than that.
Post by: Darvi on March 08, 2011, 03:45:03 pm
People vote him for tunneling Bayer. I want to know your thoughts on that.-Do you think Person is indulging in tunneling Bayer?
Buh?
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We have 15 people. When more than half of us have the same target in mind, then day instantly ends. Right now we need 8 votes for a hammer, and 7 people are voting Bayer. So anybody not voting for him can get him instantly lynched by voting for him.(Hammer: So many votes and day is over, victim gets instantly lynched.)
I'd like more than that.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 08, 2011, 03:45:59 pm
Dunno if you've heard this sentiment before, but anti-town =/= scum. Just because they're useless doesn't mean they're scum. Could mean they're an idiot. Could mean they're a jester, as is the case.
It may not always be, but it's a pretty good place to start, as it can also lead to hostile third parties.
Zrk2: Outside of Org, who do you suspect? How about if Org is town?
Other than Org, my main pick is SirBayer because
1. Org is his scumbuddy and he's trying to save him.
OR
2. Org is townie, and SirBayer is defending him so when he is lynched he looks more townie.
I think that covers your question.
Argembarger, yes I am aware others are in this game, but they don't seem near as scummy as those two.
Votes:
SirBayer - 7 - Book Zrk2 Darvi Mr.Person IronyOwl Book Org
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 1 - Argembarger
Argembarger - 1 - lordnincompoop
Zrk2 - 3 - Leafsnail Ottofar
lordnincompoop - 0
Book - 0
Jack A T - 0
Org - 2 - Zrk2 NativeForeigner
Jokerman-EXE - 0
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 1 - Toaster
NativeForeigner - 1 - Darvi
Mr.Person - 3 - SirBayer JokermanEXE Jack_A_T
A reminder, the deadline approaches soon.
SirBayer is at L-1; another vote will hammer him, ending the day.
Book, LurkerTracker post at your convenience, please.
...I get two votes?!
Post by: Zrk2 on March 08, 2011, 03:47:44 pm
3. Org is a jester, and SirBayer is defending him because he's cool like that.
Post by: Darvi on March 08, 2011, 03:48:37 pm
...I get two votes?!I should get 5, one for each of my personalities :P *joke*
Pandar: Just being sure here. There are still no rules in effect, right?
Post by: Book on March 08, 2011, 03:49:34 pm
We have 15 people. When more than half of us have the same target in mind, then day instantly ends. Right now we need 8 votes for a hammer, and 7 people are voting Bayer. So anybody not voting for him can get him instantly lynched by voting for him.
I should point out that this is no longer true, since I unvoted him earlier. Plus my name was listed twice on the votecount, so who knows. However...
SirBayer
So, right after it being (incorrectly) said that one more vote would end the day, you stroll in and cast what could have been the hammer vote. Zrk2: do you think the day should end now with a SirBayer lynch? Why the rush?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 08, 2011, 04:03:37 pm
And I think lynching SirBayer now would just end the day sooner, it seems pretty obvious who we're lynching, but mroe time means more discussion, means better odds for town.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 08, 2011, 04:04:31 pm
People vote him for tunneling Bayer. I want to know your thoughts on that.-Do you think Person is indulging in tunneling Bayer?
Buh?
Here is the subject of my confusion.
Post by: Darvi on March 08, 2011, 04:08:23 pm
Ya, I don't get it really either. Which is why I asked for an opinion from somebody who wasn't involved.People vote him for tunneling Bayer. I want to know your thoughts on that.-Do you think Person is indulging in tunneling Bayer?
Buh?
Here is the subject of my confusion.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 08, 2011, 04:09:33 pm
Imo, we should leave Org alone to see if he dies tonight (since there's very little chance of him being town).
Is this your own opinion? </confused>Huh? I'm trying to work out Darvi's motivation since it seems inconsistent with what he's claimed it to be more recently.
In your opinion, is there a line between trying to prevent an Org-lynch and buddying Org? If so, where is it and when was it crossed?My point there was actually that accusing scum of buddying other scum is a nonsense accusation, since buddying = being nice to a townie to get them on your side. There's defending, but that's got a different name and a different set of tells.
As for the line... I'm kindof weary of "buddying" accusations when it's someone who's about to be lynched that's supposedly being buddied. Buddying as I've seen it is usually more subtle and against players who aren't pretty likely to die that die.
Other than Org, my main pick is SirBayer because...Other than the bizarre logic, you seem to have only voted him after he was taken off L-1. Perhaps you don't want to be seen casting the hammer vote, eh?
1. Org is his scumbuddy and he's trying to save him.
OR
2. Org is townie, and SirBayer is defending him so when he is lynched he looks more townie.
@leafsnail: does the wine taste good? I voted org because he wasn't contributing (which is a scumtell, no matter how you put it) and to make him actually do something.It wasn't an accusation so much as a request for a clarification, but if you're gonna be like that I'll rephrase it.
You have no basis for claiming that it was a policy vote.
You vote him telling him to stop being stupid. In other words, you vote him based on his idiocy - this would be a policy vote (not necessarily a bad thing blah blah blah). If you thought he was scum, you wouldn't tell him to stop (someone can't stop being scum...), you'd bring forwards an accusation.
You later claim that you're voting him because you think he's scum. I don't see how you could've had that intent looking at your initial vote, and what you've done since seems to be an attempt at retroactively changing what you did, since presumably you don't want to be seen voting based on policy.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 08, 2011, 04:14:53 pm
IronyOwl, if Org did not have a track record for Orglike behavior, how would your thoughts on this game be altered?I'd have considered Jester a LOT more readily.
But notice when Org started contributing - when he was no longer the focus of attention and of desired lynch.This is kind of interesting, but "contributing" in this case means "two coherent sentences." It's more than he was giving earlier, but it's hardly a massive jump.
Only then did he change his slant. So if you disbelieve me I'm fine with that, I just think it warrants more faith than you're giving it.
I'm also curious exactly what the reasoning for a jester would be in this situation. Attention is on him, so he herps and derps as much as possible, then starts contributing when everyone ignores him?
I'll unvote SirBayer for now, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.
Other than Org, my main pick is SirBayer becauseZrk2, why did you try to hammer him just for that? Why isn't Jokerman on that list for also defending Org?
1. Org is his scumbuddy and he's trying to save him.
OR
2. Org is townie, and SirBayer is defending him so when he is lynched he looks more townie.
Actually the only vote I had placed out of the two or three it said I had was on SirBayer, so now we only need one to hammer.Ah, so now you're advertising for someone else to finish the job, while saying it's inevitable but spouting a townlike catchphrase completely at odds with what you're actually doing.
And I think lynching SirBayer now would just end the day sooner, it seems pretty obvious who we're lynching, but mroe time means more discussion, means better odds for town.
Interesting.
Post by: Darvi on March 08, 2011, 04:19:22 pm
You vote him telling him to stop being stupid. In other words, you vote him based on his idiocy - this would be a policy vote (not necessarily a bad thing blah blah blah). If you thought he was scum, you wouldn't tell him to stop (someone can't stop being scum...), you'd bring forwards an accusation.Then there must have been a misunderstanding, as I thought a policy lynch would be lynching Org for being Org, and not for a player being stupid. Because, ya know, being stupid and unhelpful is totally acceptable, right? At that point, it was merely a pressure vote to make him stop. Well, maybe not entirely. But mostly.
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You later claim that you're voting him because you think he's scum. I don't see how you could've had that intent looking at your initial vote, and what you've done since seems to be an attempt at retroactively changing what you did, since presumably you don't want to be seen voting based on policy.Yes, later being the keyword here. Because he kept doing it.
At that point I was sure that he was either scum indulging in RiA, or a jester (and due to the lack of suspects at the moment, a 3rd party lynch was more favorable than a potential mislynch). Don't pretend nothing happened in between.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 08, 2011, 04:26:05 pm
I guess it all makes sense if you had a different definition though, so never mind.
Post by: Darvi on March 08, 2011, 04:26:52 pm
Post by: Book on March 08, 2011, 05:00:42 pm
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Moderator: please prod Mr.Person, RedWarrior0, webadict. They haven't posted in over 36 hours.
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Note: The Tracker (and I) are a bit confused about spectators, nonplayers and the like. I left their posts and prod requests in, but they may or may not be needed. I'll fix them for the next one, assuming I understand the game better by then.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 08, 2011, 05:02:33 pm
SirBayer - 4 - Zrk2 Darvi Mr.Person Org
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 1 - Argembarger
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 3 - Leafsnail Ottofar IronyOwl
lordnincompoop - 0
Book - 0
Jack A T - 0
Org - 1 - NativeForeigner
Jokerman-EXE - 0
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 1 - Toaster
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 3 - SirBayer JokermanEXE Jack_A_T
Deadline is in 25 hours.
Edit: On account of 3 people having been listed as voting multiple times, I'm no longer going to attempt to be generous about people forgetting to unvote. Yes, you now have to even say "Unvote nobody, vote X" from now on.
All votes must be in the form of Unvote _, Vote _" or I will ignore them from here out.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 08, 2011, 05:03:59 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 08, 2011, 05:04:07 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 08, 2011, 05:04:48 pm
Post by: Book on March 08, 2011, 05:07:08 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 08, 2011, 05:08:04 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 08, 2011, 05:10:10 pm
Other than Org, my main pick is SirBayer becauseZrk2, why did you try to hammer him just for that? Why isn't Jokerman on that list for also defending Org?
1. Org is his scumbuddy and he's trying to save him.
OR
2. Org is townie, and SirBayer is defending him so when he is lynched he looks more townie.Actually the only vote I had placed out of the two or three it said I had was on SirBayer, so now we only need one to hammer.Ah, so now you're advertising for someone else to finish the job, while saying it's inevitable but spouting a townlike catchphrase completely at odds with what you're actually doing.
And I think lynching SirBayer now would just end the day sooner, it seems pretty obvious who we're lynching, but mroe time means more discussion, means better odds for town.
Well, being townie is usually a good way to go about being townie...
In regards to my almost hammering, I was sleeping/at school since 10pm EST last night, and that was the first chance I'd had to post since then. I looked at my own logic and saw that out of the possible situations I saw, Org was only scum in 1 while, Sir Bayer is scum in 3.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Following my logic I decided that voting Bayer made more sense than voting Org because Bayer seemed extremely scummy to Orgs' simply useless, with a side of annoying and a pinch of scumspice. Therefore, after collecting all my logic trains my own ideas lead to concluding that Bayer was a legitimately better vote. The hammering wasn't even noticed by me as I had concluded I was voting Bayer as I was reading ~page 10.
The hammering issue seems moot now, as well.
Post by: SirBayer on March 08, 2011, 06:15:14 pm
Native: Do you think Bayer and Jokerman are scummy for their "utter bullshit" arguments against the Org lynch?
I find Bayer questionable because I don't know his meta, but I've seen Jokerman say the exact same things about Org when he was town. He just never really approves of an Org lynch.
Bayer: Noted. You are currently one vote away from being hammered. Is that causing you to consider to roleclaim or do something else in an attempt to persuade everyone otherwise? Or do you think you can get out of this some other way?
Meh. I honestly didn't notice I was so close until the votecount.
Pandar: Book, Zrk2, and Darvi are all voting twice. Zrk2 is listed as having 3 votes despite having only two names beside him. Are these all correct?Ah, I get that now. Wow, I should vote more often :P *joke, for those of you without humor*
Point. But his contributions weren't really much (only half a roleclaim, and stating that "Zrk isn't scum").While I'm not averse to believing that Org is a jester, I still don't believe Bayer to be entirely innocent either. For all we know the PM never happened and he's making it all up to cover for his buddying.
Well yes, perhaps the PM never happened.
But notice when Org started contributing - when he was no longer the focus of attention and of desired lynch.
Only then did he change his slant. So if you disbelieve me I'm fine with that, I just think it warrants more faith than you're giving it.
Chances for his roles imo are 40% for Jester, 55% for scum engaging in RiA and 5% other. While you... really, your initial arguments for defending him were bullcrap. I'd say 75% scum and 25% other.
If I'm defending scum, I'm scum, sure. If I'm defending town, I'm scum, sure. If I'm defending Jester, what am I? So 40% "whatever," and 60% scum, which aren't really your numbers there. I'd like to see consistency, here.
Unvote.Dunno if you've heard this sentiment before, but anti-town =/= scum. Just because they're useless doesn't mean they're scum. Could mean they're an idiot. Could mean they're a jester, as is the case.
It may not always be, but it's a pretty good place to start, as it can also lead to hostile third parties.Zrk2: Outside of Org, who do you suspect? How about if Org is town?
Other than Org, my main pick is SirBayer because
1. Org is his scumbuddy and he's trying to save him.
OR
2. Org is townie, and SirBayer is defending him so when he is lynched he looks more townie.
Haven't we already discu-
Oh, and
3. Org is a jester, and SirBayer is defending him because he's cool like that.
Oh hey. Alright, you're being reasonable anyway. Though why you didn't think of this in the first place...?
IronyOwl, if Org did not have a track record for Orglike behavior, how would your thoughts on this game be altered?I'd have considered Jester a LOT more readily.But notice when Org started contributing - when he was no longer the focus of attention and of desired lynch.This is kind of interesting, but "contributing" in this case means "two coherent sentences." It's more than he was giving earlier, but it's hardly a massive jump.
Only then did he change his slant. So if you disbelieve me I'm fine with that, I just think it warrants more faith than you're giving it.
I'm also curious exactly what the reasoning for a jester would be in this situation. Attention is on him, so he herps and derps as much as possible, then starts contributing when everyone ignores him?
I'll unvote SirBayer for now, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.
Contributing is relative, with Org.
Okay, let's say you're Org. You just start herping and derping and everyone votes for you. Hooray, you're a jester, you're winning!
But then someone starts defending you. Oh no, this isn't good! But it's okay, they'll just lynch him first and you'll be next. That's fine!
But oh no, he's winning! So now you have to do something. Switch tactics, roll another way.
Scum wouldn't do it that way. SK wouldn't do that way. Anyone who didn't want to be lynched would've switched tactics when they saw they were being threatened. A townie might do it, but as someone pointed out to me I was wrong, Org actually contributes these days (I'm still in shock). So my initial arguments were BS, but now we find we have something out of them anyway.
That's a tangent, though. DO you get my point now?
Other than Org, my main pick is SirBayer becauseZrk2, why did you try to hammer him just for that? Why isn't Jokerman on that list for also defending Org?
1. Org is his scumbuddy and he's trying to save him.
OR
2. Org is townie, and SirBayer is defending him so when he is lynched he looks more townie.Actually the only vote I had placed out of the two or three it said I had was on SirBayer, so now we only need one to hammer.Ah, so now you're advertising for someone else to finish the job, while saying it's inevitable but spouting a townlike catchphrase completely at odds with what you're actually doing.
And I think lynching SirBayer now would just end the day sooner, it seems pretty obvious who we're lynching, but mroe time means more discussion, means better odds for town.
Well, being townie is usually a good way to go about being townie...
In regards to my almost hammering, I was sleeping/at school since 10pm EST last night, and that was the first chance I'd had to post since then. I looked at my own logic and saw that out of the possible situations I saw, Org was only scum in 1 while, Sir Bayer is scum in 3.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Following my logic I decided that voting Bayer made more sense than voting Org because Bayer seemed extremely scummy to Orgs' simply useless, with a side of annoying and a pinch of scumspice. Therefore, after collecting all my logic trains my own ideas lead to concluding that Bayer was a legitimately better vote. The hammering wasn't even noticed by me as I had concluded I was voting Bayer as I was reading ~page 10.
The hammering issue seems moot now, as well.
Mmm. You completely fail to actually address Owl's concerns, and then go ahead and raise some more.
Quote from: Zrk2
The hammering issue seems moot now, as well.
No, it's not moot. And you're trying to just pass off what's a pretty clear scumtell as nothing, which is, of course, scummy.
Post by: Jack A T on March 08, 2011, 06:56:14 pm
Also, I feel that newer meta trumps older meta.
Why?
People change over time, and their playstyles do too, somewhat. Ergo, meta changes over time.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 08, 2011, 07:02:47 pm
Well, being townie is usually a good way to go about being townie...This doesn't explain anything. You're pointing out that "we just need one more to hammer," like you're inviting someone onto the wagon, then saying "Well more time is always good for town!" It doesn't add up.
In regards to my almost hammering, I was sleeping/at school since 10pm EST last night, and that was the first chance I'd had to post since then. I looked at my own logic and saw that out of the possible situations I saw, Org was only scum in 1 while, Sir Bayer is scum in 3.So "He's town defending a bad idea" isn't an option? Or were you referring to the PM specifically?
Following my logic I decided that voting Bayer made more sense than voting Org because Bayer seemed extremely scummy to Orgs' simply useless, with a side of annoying and a pinch of scumspice. Therefore, after collecting all my logic trains my own ideas lead to concluding that Bayer was a legitimately better vote. The hammering wasn't even noticed by me as I had concluded I was voting Bayer as I was reading ~page 10.If Org is merely useless, what's so damning about Bayer's defense of him? You also ignored my question as to why Jokerman's not in there as well- he's been defending Org also.
Contributing is relative, with Org.We're talking about a player whose whole strategy revolves around RiA. You can't say "Nobody would do this unless they wanted to be lynched" while pointing out that Org is always spamming "herp derp derp derp" instead of defending himself or scumhunting, because nobody would do that either. Your non-PM evidence that he's a jester is directly opposed to your evidence that we shouldn't lynch him.
Okay, let's say you're Org. You just start herping and derping and everyone votes for you. Hooray, you're a jester, you're winning!
But then someone starts defending you. Oh no, this isn't good! But it's okay, they'll just lynch him first and you'll be next. That's fine!
But oh no, he's winning! So now you have to do something. Switch tactics, roll another way.
Scum wouldn't do it that way. SK wouldn't do that way. Anyone who didn't want to be lynched would've switched tactics when they saw they were being threatened. A townie might do it, but as someone pointed out to me I was wrong, Org actually contributes these days (I'm still in shock). So my initial arguments were BS, but now we find we have something out of them anyway.
That's a tangent, though. DO you get my point now?
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 08, 2011, 07:09:17 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 08, 2011, 08:22:38 pm
Quote from: Zrk2The hammering issue seems moot now, as well.
No, it's not moot. And you're trying to just pass off what's a pretty clear scumtell as nothing, which is, of course, scummy.
Actually, since (as explained earlier) I had decided who to lynch before the issue of the hammer came into play, I never was in danger of setting off the hammer. Anyone who had kept an eye on roughly where the votes sat would have known that it was not as near hammering as it appeared.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 08, 2011, 11:14:52 pm
Post by: SirBayer on March 09, 2011, 02:23:17 am
Actually the only vote I had placed out of the two or three it said I had was on SirBayer, so now we only need one to hammer.
And I think lynching SirBayer now would just end the day sooner, it seems pretty obvious who we're lynching, but mroe time means more discussion, means better odds for town.
"It's pretty obvious who we're lynching."
What. Presumptuous a little?
And so you jumped on because I was being lynched? Isn't that... bandwagoning?
Extension por favor.
Again, Org hasn't been this herpderpdoubledownsderp for a while, apparently. But yes, remember BYOR Panda. Baybay, Org being Org is often not going to lynch him.
I don't remember anything. Refresh my memory?
Contributing is relative, with Org.We're talking about a player whose whole strategy revolves around RiA. You can't say "Nobody would do this unless they wanted to be lynched" while pointing out that Org is always spamming "herp derp derp derp" instead of defending himself or scumhunting, because nobody would do that either. Your non-PM evidence that he's a jester is directly opposed to your evidence that we shouldn't lynch him.
Okay, let's say you're Org. You just start herping and derping and everyone votes for you. Hooray, you're a jester, you're winning!
But then someone starts defending you. Oh no, this isn't good! But it's okay, they'll just lynch him first and you'll be next. That's fine!
But oh no, he's winning! So now you have to do something. Switch tactics, roll another way.
Scum wouldn't do it that way. SK wouldn't do that way. Anyone who didn't want to be lynched would've switched tactics when they saw they were being threatened. A townie might do it, but as someone pointed out to me I was wrong, Org actually contributes these days (I'm still in shock). So my initial arguments were BS, but now we find we have something out of them anyway.
That's a tangent, though. DO you get my point now?
Why do you insist on insisting on RiA? I smell a bunch of WIFOM I don't want to see here.
And to actually address your argument: You have a fine point, but again, I can't just assume Refuge in Audacity. It's risky, it's WIFOM-filled, and it's wrong. And as you may have noticed, I admitted already that my early arguments for Org's protection were wrong. I hadn't played recently enough. I did it wrong. It was wrong. But it opened up some interesting other threads.
Post by: Book on March 09, 2011, 02:54:09 am
Edit: Yes, you now have to even say "Unvote nobody, vote X" from now on.All votes must be in the form of Unvote _, Vote _" or I will ignore them from here out.
No. Screw you. I am willing to "unvote X", X being someone I've voted before, sure, but "unvote nobody" just to tickle your sloth? No way. In fact, I insist that any mod worth his salt must be able to endure the hardship of an "unvote" with no target specified... OHMYLACKOFGOD!! WhoTHEFUCKIsHeUnvotinG!?!?!? How am I supposed to KNWO!!!!
Just note that this player is not currently voting anyone. If your OhSoExtremelyClever current game has provisions about who and how votes who and how how many times or whatnot, then fucking DEAL WITH IT. If I unvote (blank), it means I'm not voting. Figure it out, or fail as a mod. Or modkill me. Go ahead, I'm right here. Shoot. Vengekill me. I fucking dare you.
I Unvoted SirBayer earlier. There's a bunch of posts I need to reply to in detail and whatnot, and points not connected to my next paragraph, but briefly: SirBayer: So, "don't vote Org because he's Org", then "don't vote Org because I know better", and finally "don't vote Org because he's a Jester"? Jester is the best fakeclaim for scum, since it basically means "don't lynch me." But Org didn't claim it, you claimed it for him. Then he denied it just in time. Your only point in the entire game has been "don't lynch Org". I think we should hang either Org or you, just to see what is behind your desperate defence. I'm willing to bet one of you two is either scum, an allied third party, or otherwise connected.
However, just to screw with Pandar:
Unvote Pandarsenic.
Vote Vector.
Unvote Palpatine.
Vote Org
Unvote YoMamma.
Vote DarthVader
Unvote.
Unvote Elmo.
Vote SirBayer.
Vote Org.
Mod: Votecount, please.
Unvote Org.
Vote.
Unvote RedWarrior0.
Unvote webadict.
Vote SirBayer.
Mod: Another votecount, please.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 03:04:51 am
Unvote Pandarsenic.
Vote Vector.
Unvote Palpatine.
Vote Org
Unvote YoMamma.
Vote DarthVader
Unvote.
Unvote Elmo.
Vote SirBayer.
Vote Org.
Mod: Votecount, please.
Unvote Org.
Vote.
Unvote RedWarrior0.
Unvote webadict.
Vote SirBayer.
Mod: Another votecount, please.
No.
Edit: Or if you prefer, "No, and stop being a dick."
Post by: Book on March 09, 2011, 03:12:55 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 03:48:23 am
Post by: Book on March 09, 2011, 03:49:12 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 03:55:01 am
Post by: Book on March 09, 2011, 03:58:24 am
Mod: votecount please.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 04:02:02 am
SirBayer - 4 - Zrk2 Darvi Mr.Person Org
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 1 - Argembarger
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 3 - Leafsnail Ottofar IronyOwl
lordnincompoop - 0
Book - 1 - Book
Jack A T - 0
Org - 1 - NativeForeigner
Jokerman-EXE - 0
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 1 - Toaster
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 3 - SirBayer JokermanEXE Jack_A_T
Satisfactory?
Post by: Book on March 09, 2011, 04:06:32 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 04:11:58 am
SirBayer - 5 - Zrk2 Darvi Mr.Person Org Book
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 1 - Argembarger
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 3 - Leafsnail Ottofar IronyOwl
lordnincompoop - 0
Book - 0
Jack A T - 0
Org - 1 - NativeForeigner
Jokerman-EXE - 0
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 1 - Toaster
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 3 - SirBayer JokermanEXE Jack_A_T
Time to sleep, then tomorrow I have classes. Deadline is in about 15 hours. Don't expect another votecount between now and then.
Post by: Toaster on March 09, 2011, 09:48:29 am
Bayer: I'm getting a bit of a town vibe from Bayer. I don't think he'd be dumb enough to blatantly defend Org if he was scumbuddies with Org. I think he's only doing so because he feels the same way as Jokerman, and that doesn't necessarily make him scum just because I disagree with that.
I find Bayer questionable because I don't know his meta, but I've seen Jokerman say the exact same things about Org when he was town. He just never really approves of an Org lynch.
I find these two statements contradictory. Can you reconcile them, please?
Bayer:
Friendly Neighbor (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Friendly_Neighbor)
One more question- at what point in the game did you receive that message?
Anyway, it's time to Unvote Irony and Vote Org. I smell some sort of bizarre scum fake claim ability. He's scum, and I want to see him hang. Reasoning here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2055853#msg2055853).
Post by: SirBayer on March 09, 2011, 12:04:02 pm
I Unvoted SirBayer earlier. There's a bunch of posts I need to reply to in detail and whatnot, and points not connected to my next paragraph, but briefly: SirBayer: So, "don't vote Org because he's Org", then "don't vote Org because I know better", and finally "don't vote Org because he's a Jester"? Jester is the best fakeclaim for scum, since it basically means "don't lynch me." But Org didn't claim it, you claimed it for him. Then he denied it just in time. Your only point in the entire game has been "don't lynch Org". I think we should hang either Org or you, just to see what is behind your desperate defence. I'm willing to bet one of you two is either scum, an allied third party, or otherwise connected.
So, er. My arguments against Mr. Person don't count? For anything? Or any of the other discussion I've made? Nothing I've said about people other than Org counts for anything?
Extension requests here!
Post by: Toaster on March 09, 2011, 12:15:08 pm
One more question- at what point in the game did you receive that message?
(IE the "Org is a Jester" message)
Post by: SirBayer on March 09, 2011, 12:21:51 pm
Bayer:One more question- at what point in the game did you receive that message?
(IE the "Org is a Jester" message)
Missed that.
I spoke up about it as soon as I received it. That was when I said "NEW WAY THE GAME GOT CRAZY" or whatever it is that I said.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 12:29:41 pm
SirBayer - 5 - Zrk2 Darvi Mr.Person Org Book
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 1 - Argembarger
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 3 - Leafsnail Ottofar IronyOwl
lordnincompoop - 0
Book - 0
Jack A T - 0
Org - 2 - NativeForeigner Toaster
Jokerman-EXE - 0
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 0
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 3 - SirBayer JokermanEXE Jack_A_T
1 request for extension registered of the necessary 3. If more occur in my absence, they still take effect.
Post by: SirBayer on March 09, 2011, 01:10:30 pm
We're lynching without a fair portion of our constituency. If they really mean to lynch me, that's great, but I'd at least like to see them come back into the thread.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 01:18:52 pm
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 09, 2011, 01:51:47 pm
My vote is on Mr.Person, and unless he comes back there's not much I can say unless someone has a question for me.
Post by: Darvi on March 09, 2011, 01:54:10 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 02:00:41 pm
Wuba isn't even in the game. Or did I miss something?
Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii blame LurkerTracker. <_<
Srsly though, mah bad, I'm kinda tired right now.
Post by: Ottofar on March 09, 2011, 02:51:20 pm
I'm going to a sports camp over the weekend. Expect only PFP's then.
Extend, I should be able to post tomorrow.
Post by: Book on March 09, 2011, 03:04:34 pm
So, er. My arguments against Mr. Person don't count? For anything? Or any of the other discussion I've made? Nothing I've said about people other than Org counts for anything?You mean this scathing attack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2052006#msg2052006)? The one that went "Can you find a post in which I accused you of anything[...]? Can you find me a post in which I even mentioned you?" Yeah, it's pretty useless, yes.
Extension requests here!Nah. It's either going to be you or Org, and we can do that without wasting more time. Oppose Extension.
When was the last time Mr. Person or Darvi or Ottofar or Leafsnail posted? It's been a day or two, hasn't it? At least for Mr. Person, I'm sure. Could you prod those folks?That's what the tracker (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2056609#msg2056609) is for. Pay attention. At the time, everyone but Person was present. He has been prodded.
We're lynching without a fair portion of our constituency. If they really mean to lynch me, that's great, but I'd at least like to see them come back into the thread.Your problem is not that we're missing "a fair portion of our constituency" (we're not, just Person), but that we're lynching YOU. Take it like a man and walk to the gallows without shitting your pants, please.
Post by: SirBayer on March 09, 2011, 03:10:36 pm
And you certainly seemed to enjoy buddying me.
So, er. My arguments against Mr. Person don't count? For anything? Or any of the other discussion I've made? Nothing I've said about people other than Org counts for anything?You mean this scathing attack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2052006#msg2052006)? The one that went "Can you find a post in which I accused you of anything[...]? Can you find me a post in which I even mentioned you?" Yeah, it's pretty useless, yes.Extension requests here!Nah. It's either going to be you or Org, and we can do that without wasting more time. Oppose Extension.When was the last time Mr. Person or Darvi or Ottofar or Leafsnail posted? It's been a day or two, hasn't it? At least for Mr. Person, I'm sure. Could you prod those folks?That's what the tracker (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2056609#msg2056609) is for. Pay attention. At the time, everyone but Person was present. He has been prodded.We're lynching without a fair portion of our constituency. If they really mean to lynch me, that's great, but I'd at least like to see them come back into the thread.Your problem is not that we're missing "a fair portion of our constituency" (we're not, just Person), but that we're lynching YOU. Take it like a man and walk to the gallows without shitting your pants, please.
And suddenly you're hyper aggressive and rude. What did I do to you?
Would you like to lynch me? I'm alright with that. Waste our time, scumbucket. Go for it.
The tracker was days old. Hardly helpful at this point.
I calmed down for this game, Book. Dunno if you remember how I used to play; presumably that's what you're going off of. But I took Vector's advice and calmed right on down.
I can get mad, if you'd like. It's mighty tempting.
Post by: Book on March 09, 2011, 03:16:50 pm
And suddenly you're hyper aggressive and rude. What did I do to you?
Would you like to lynch me? I'm alright with that. Waste our time, scumbucket. Go for it.
The tracker was days old. Hardly helpful at this point.
I calmed down for this game, Book. Dunno if you remember how I used to play; presumably that's what you're going off of. But I took Vector's advice and calmed right on down.
I can get mad, if you'd like. It's mighty tempting.
Fair enough. Rudeness was not intended. I find I fall into a derisive tone whenever I see cowardice. Like "Oh noes! I'm gonna hang! Extend please! I played good!"... But yeah, sorry about that.
You hanging I think is fine and useful, yes, and I prefer things moving forward rather than rehashing the same points. But I'm OK either way.
And the tracker is not even 24 hours old right now so cut that "days old" shit.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 09, 2011, 03:17:42 pm
SirBayer, Why do you insist on defending Org? It isn't benefitting anyone.
Org, how has your herpaderpadoopleing worked out? What do you know about the supposed 'I'm a jester' PM.
Book, would you like another votecount?
Jokerman, why did you decide to jump in to defend Org
Others, what is your opinion of the SirBayer/Org issue?
Would you like to lynch me? I'm alright with that. Waste our time, scumbucket. Go for it.
Perhaps you could provide an argument not to lynch you? Or would you rather just bitch about us not listening. Give a good argument that doesn't revolve around 'I got a PM, and Orgs a jester and blah blah we've heard that one before.'
Post by: SirBayer on March 09, 2011, 03:20:49 pm
It is - what. Huh. That's much sooner than I realized.
Cowardice wasn't intended. If you're going to get something out of my lynch, Book, get it. I don't know if you're the scum or if Mr. Person is the scum - it's hard to tell without him here - but I wanted to know my powers. Make this worth it, please.
SirBayer, Why do you insist on defending Org? It isn't benefitting anyone.
Do you read? Do you see a defense going on right now? Did you miss my apology for defending at the beginning? Do you even care?
Quote from: Zrk2
Would you like to lynch me? I'm alright with that. Waste our time, scumbucket. Go for it.
Perhaps you could provide an argument not to lynch you? Or would you rather just bitch about us not listening. Give a good argument that doesn't revolve around 'I got a PM, and Orgs a jester and blah blah we've heard that one before.'
Meh. If I do provide an argument, you'll call it defending myself. If I complain about you not listening, you'll continue not to listen. There have been a lot of things happening and you've managed to ignore them all, and I'm not even sure what kind of a tell that is.
This thread is only going nowhere fast in your mind, Zrk. You're managing to ignore everything. Not even sure how.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 09, 2011, 03:34:06 pm
Your more recent posts sounded more like 'My original reasons were wrong, but he's a jester, so leave him alone.' meaning you were still defending him, but for different reasons, leading to the conclusion that you are a scum changing tactics in his defense, or a townie to stubborn to move on, either of which is bad.
Post by: Toaster on March 09, 2011, 03:38:59 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 09, 2011, 03:40:07 pm
Post by: Org on March 09, 2011, 04:22:47 pm
Interesting development. Book gets mad, and SirBayer tries to fight then inevitable. This thread is still going nowhere fast.Really I was just doing it to piss you off, it was pretty funny!
SirBayer, Why do you insist on defending Org? It isn't benefitting anyone.
Org, how has your herpaderpadoopleing worked out? What do you know about the supposed 'I'm a jester' PM.
Book, would you like another votecount?
Jokerman, why did you decide to jump in to defend Org
Others, what is your opinion of the SirBayer/Org issue?Would you like to lynch me? I'm alright with that. Waste our time, scumbucket. Go for it.
Perhaps you could provide an argument not to lynch you? Or would you rather just bitch about us not listening. Give a good argument that doesn't revolve around 'I got a PM, and Orgs a jester and blah blah we've heard that one before.'
And then I was like, haha I dont want to be lynched because I am town or something and I was like thats a fake, calling shenanigans.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 09, 2011, 04:24:44 pm
Anyway, it's time to Unvote Irony and Vote Org. I smell some sort of bizarre scum fake claim ability. He's scum, and I want to see him hang. Reasoning here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2055853#msg2055853).Bizarre... scum... fakeclaim ability. Uhuh.
The kind of fakeclaim ability that acts as a vig magnet or a lynch magnet the next day if there's no town kill? And which would undermine the integrity of all investigations day one?
Post by: Toaster on March 09, 2011, 04:46:16 pm
Do you have any other theory as to why Bayer might have gotten that message? Neither he nor Org are claiming it.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 09, 2011, 04:58:24 pm
Damned if I know. It's awfully unusual, I agree.
Do you have any other theory as to why Bayer might have gotten that message? Neither he nor Org are claiming it.
So maybe it's passive, and built into Orgs role.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 09, 2011, 05:00:09 pm
Pandarsenic decided to give him it but also a handicap to try and make up for it.
What do you think, everyone?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 09, 2011, 05:03:39 pm
Post by: Org on March 09, 2011, 05:12:19 pm
Jester is an easy role to win with, and Org fished for it with his submissions.Actually, my submission was about the twilight zone.
Pandarsenic decided to give him it but also a handicap to try and make up for it.
What do you think, everyone?
Post by: SirBayer on March 09, 2011, 05:20:18 pm
Well, I asked for it, so go ahead and defend away!
Your more recent posts sounded more like 'My original reasons were wrong, but he's a jester, so leave him alone.' meaning you were still defending him, but for different reasons, leading to the conclusion that you are a scum changing tactics in his defense, or a townie to stubborn to move on, either of which is bad.
So you're going to lynch me.
Because I'm a bad townie. We already talked about this.
Or because I'm scum, which I can respect. But you don't know?
I'd also like to point out to everyone here that he's doing his darnedest to devalue me. He's reducing me to a defense of Org and a whole lot of stupidity. I said other things. I know some of you saw me say those other things, and I know Zrk saw me say those other things. Either he just doesn't want to believe me or he doesn't want those arguments to be acceptable to the public eye, but he is trying to prevent those arguments from receiving attention or discussion.
Don't let that happen. I may be wrong in every single little detail, but they are there and it's worth at least determining whether or not I'm right.
Leafsnail: That makes sense, and indeed is something I would've expected had I thought anything out at the beginning. If Org is a Jester, he almost won.
Interesting development. Book gets mad, and SirBayer tries to fight then inevitable. This thread is still going nowhere fast.Really I was just doing it to piss you off, it was pretty funny!
SirBayer, Why do you insist on defending Org? It isn't benefitting anyone.
Org, how has your herpaderpadoopleing worked out? What do you know about the supposed 'I'm a jester' PM.
Book, would you like another votecount?
Jokerman, why did you decide to jump in to defend Org
Others, what is your opinion of the SirBayer/Org issue?Would you like to lynch me? I'm alright with that. Waste our time, scumbucket. Go for it.
Perhaps you could provide an argument not to lynch you? Or would you rather just bitch about us not listening. Give a good argument that doesn't revolve around 'I got a PM, and Orgs a jester and blah blah we've heard that one before.'
And then I was like, haha I dont want to be lynched because I am town or something and I was like thats a fake, calling shenanigans.
This is just silly. Do I even have to say anything else?
Oh, and face it. This game is called Why Would You Do That?, so it stands to reason that the Mod is up to shenanigans, aren't you, Mr. Mod?
That's true. Why are we discussing this, again, with like an hour or two to go before the deadline? I don't mind being lynched but I hate the idea that we're wasting the time.
Post by: SirBayer on March 09, 2011, 05:21:12 pm
Jester is an easy role to win with, and Org fished for it with his submissions.Actually, my submission was about the twilight zone.
Pandarsenic decided to give him it but also a handicap to try and make up for it.
What do you think, everyone?
Is that a claim of some sort?
Post by: Org on March 09, 2011, 05:44:16 pm
Eh.Jester is an easy role to win with, and Org fished for it with his submissions.Actually, my submission was about the twilight zone.
Pandarsenic decided to give him it but also a handicap to try and make up for it.
What do you think, everyone?
Is that a claim of some sort?
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 09, 2011, 05:45:44 pm
Why is Org's playstyle uselessness? Why does he get a free pass on that?
Lordnincompoop: Review what happened in these last few pages. Especially observe Mr. Person, if you will. Do you have anything to say about Org's potential Jesterhood? Do you have anything to say about Mr. Person's hilari-jump? Do you have anybody else to look at?
Org is a possible Jester, yes. If he wanted to get lynched though, why would he begin to contribute after attention dispersed? It would only lessen his chances of dying. Additionally, why didn't he fight against the Jester title? If he is conclusively identified as a Jester, that is a sure-fire way not to win the game.
I don't think Mr.Person's attack on him is that hilarious. It is reasonable, though it seems rather overly eager.
I don't have many suspicions; it seems I really need to work on reading people. Right now I have SirBayer for fervently defending Org and (implicitly) condoning his uselessness, and Mr.Person for being a tad too enthusiastic.
Nah. It's either going to be you or Org, and we can do that without wasting more time. Oppose Extension.
More time is always beneficial.
Extend.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 09, 2011, 05:55:20 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 06:04:39 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 06:07:37 pm
You are Dentures (town). As you may know, teeth can be used for almost anything. You must help the town with the many and varied uses of TEEEEEETH.
[1shot] Bite: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown
[1shot] Clench: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown
[1shot] Gnash: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown
[1shot] Shine: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 06:11:07 pm
Also, Argembarger desires replacement.
Spoiled Spectators may speak freely at night.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 06:24:45 pm
Many players have abilities with text specifying the number of targets they can use it on and informing them they have no idea what it actually does. On any given night, a player may use one ability (unless otherwise specified) or may seek the nature of their own power, discovering its precise function.
A power you don't know is, however, in a state of quantum indecision, and may have its effects altered by random chance. This can be beneficial or harmful. By contrast, a known ability will always function exactly as advertised.
Spoiled spectators: In the morning phase, you must each independently send me a vote for which dead player's associated Law you wish to invoke once the night is processed and any new dead players have been added to the pile. At the end of each night, I'll send you all a list of the choices you have containing the names of the Laws, NOT the names of the players, from which you can choose.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 09, 2011, 07:10:19 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 08:56:57 pm
Spoiled Spectators, at night, may discuss and vote for a player whose SECRETS they want to reveal and them forcibly. Alternatively, they may choose to forcibly queue up a player's action (though they don't know if that player actually has one, and if the player has multiple, it'll be selected randomly). This counts as being performed by the Spoiled Spectators, who cannot be targeted by players.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 09, 2011, 09:16:17 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 09, 2011, 11:44:52 pm
Post by: SniHjen on March 10, 2011, 05:54:33 am
Post by: Tyberix on March 11, 2011, 03:27:24 am
So we vote one player at night whose Secrets we want to reveal ,and then send one player as law-source ?
I guess the the one we vote must be still alive ? Also it's collective like lynch vote or each of us select one person separately?
Well reading a bit i think Leafsnail dirty secret would be good to look upon! (I won't be using red to not mess with LurkerTracker).
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 11, 2011, 03:39:43 am
DO HO HO HO HO.
Also, I should specify for reference that the secrets revealed by this are revealed publicly, NOT privately.
Post by: webadict on March 11, 2011, 09:48:43 am
SURPRISE, SPOIL SPECTATORS ARE ACTUALLY SPOILING SPECTATORS, NOT SPOILED SPECTATORS.What a tweest!
DO HO HO HO HO.
Also, I should specify for reference that the secrets revealed by this are revealed publicly, NOT privately.
Post by: Eduren on March 11, 2011, 04:47:14 pm
For now, Ill try my best to stay apprised of the game's state. And that includes wanting to know Mr.Person's secrets.
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 11, 2011, 07:00:02 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 12, 2011, 10:08:40 am
Post by: Eduren on March 12, 2011, 02:28:29 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 12, 2011, 07:15:40 pm
Post by: SniHjen on March 13, 2011, 05:18:11 am
If I want to delay someone, do I have to declare it here in the thread, or as a PM to you?
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 13, 2011, 07:05:54 am
I'll give the Spoilspecs another 16 from now in case one of you wants to change and then I'll process the night. Spoilspecs, you WILL be needed at some point between the end of the night and the beginning of the day at 3 PM Pacific the real-life day after that for Law-voting phase of the morning, so do be aware of that.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 13, 2011, 01:53:52 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 13, 2011, 04:46:46 pm
Post by: Tyberix on March 13, 2011, 05:06:15 pm
That gonna bring some chaos into this if not some kind of apocalypse . Well I hope we get some kind of goals later to argue over :P
Spoil him ! Hope i manage to post/pm in morning phase time zones could get this one hard for me.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 14, 2011, 02:42:42 am
You are Pandarsenic (mod). By the end of the first day, you must select your alignment in the form of X-Ally (e.g. Town-Ally, Mafia-Ally). You may not choose to be an Ally of a faction that should only have one member (e.g. Survivor, Jester, or Lyncher).
You have one ability:
[Unalterable] Bone: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown.
A new restriction, one of two that will become active this day, also came into effect. It seems that A Grave Mis-Stake may be committed today.
Furthermore, the voices of the aether forcibly reveal the secrets of Org.
Quote
[Day] Commune: You may be a gossipy skank and give away your alignment to a player of your choice each day phase.
New Law (Conditional) Active: A Grave Mis-Stake
[[Sorry for Delays, Bay12 was acting up.
At 3 tomorrow, a Law based on the dead will become active as selected by secret ballot. PM to the Spoilspecs is going out momentarily.
Also, night PMs going out after that since you don't need the info until morning.]]
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 14, 2011, 02:56:40 am
Post by: Darvi on March 14, 2011, 02:58:51 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 14, 2011, 03:00:24 am
Post by: Darvi on March 14, 2011, 03:01:13 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 14, 2011, 03:08:55 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 14, 2011, 05:05:18 pm
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 0
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 0
lordnincompoop - 0
Book - 0
Jack A T - 0
Org - 0
Jokerman-EXE - 0
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 0
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 0
The Day has begun.
This day is governed by the following Laws:
Conditional: A Grave Mis-Stake
State: Xanatos Goals
Day ends Thursday at 3 PM Pacific. At 13 players alive, hammers require 7 votes, Extensions require 3 votes, and Shortens require 5.
Be summoned.
Post by: Darvi on March 14, 2011, 05:20:28 pm
So if you really want to get lynched, Org, do some scumhunting, and the mafia might take care of that.
Pfp
Post by: Book on March 14, 2011, 05:25:33 pm
In any case, SirBayer, it was good to have you around, even if briefly. You should really pop in here more often and start joining games again.
Also... so, no nightkills? Interesting. Anyone have any speculation on that?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 14, 2011, 05:35:34 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on March 14, 2011, 05:42:04 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 14, 2011, 05:42:46 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 14, 2011, 05:43:48 pm
What exactly did happen with toaster anyway?
Um.... Toaster. The people who said that there were no night kills, Toaster.Ah. Dude should've made himself Mafia-ally then *g*
Post by: Darvi on March 14, 2011, 05:44:15 pm
Post by: RedWarrior0 on March 14, 2011, 05:46:41 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 14, 2011, 05:50:33 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 14, 2011, 06:04:26 pm
That may be moderator error, as the title says 13/15.Ah.
Post by: Org on March 14, 2011, 06:05:17 pm
herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 14, 2011, 06:08:10 pm
Hahahahaha.
herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.
I guess it's true. You are a joker. It appears that you have lost unless you get culted or something.
Post by: Org on March 14, 2011, 06:10:02 pm
Or I am scum, and will never get lynched. Haha.Hahahahaha.
herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.
I guess it's true. You are a joker. It appears that you have lost unless you get culted or something.
Ultimate plan.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 14, 2011, 06:21:17 pm
Or I am scum, and will never get lynched. Haha.Hahahahaha.
herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.
I guess it's true. You are a joker. It appears that you have lost unless you get culted or something.
Ultimate plan.
But SirBayer was town so there was no reason fie him to lie, and he said you were a joker.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 14, 2011, 06:23:18 pm
Post by: Org on March 14, 2011, 06:24:15 pm
HEE HEE HOO HOOOr I am scum, and will never get lynched. Haha.Hahahahaha.
herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.
I guess it's true. You are a joker. It appears that you have lost unless you get culted or something.
Ultimate plan.
But SirBayer was town so there was no reason fie him to lie, and he said you were a joker.
Post by: Darvi on March 14, 2011, 06:27:57 pm
There, that should get rid of his laughing.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 14, 2011, 06:33:04 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 14, 2011, 06:50:16 pm
Org: What are your thoughts on the current state?
Zrk2: What do you think of Mr. Person's choice to co-opt almost all of your arguments against SirBayer yesterday?
Post by: Org on March 14, 2011, 07:01:43 pm
Xanatos goals? Just as planned.Brains are delicious.
Org: What are your thoughts on the current state?
Zrk2: What do you think of Mr. Person's choice to co-opt almost all of your arguments against SirBayer yesterday?
Post by: Jack A T on March 14, 2011, 07:07:34 pm
Xanatos goals? Just as planned.Brains are delicious.
Org: What are your thoughts on the current state?
Zrk2: What do you think of Mr. Person's choice to co-opt almost all of your arguments against SirBayer yesterday?
Just as I planned. Everyone will now be more confused because Org said something odd. This means that all my plans will work unless someone screws them up.
...Meh.
Everyone: What do you think A Grave Mis-Stake could be? How about its condition? I'm guessing maybe it triggers on a mislynch?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 14, 2011, 07:33:28 pm
Spoiler: Submission (click to show/hide)
Yeah. I don't know what this is gonna do. Could be something to do with blue or voting.
Org is clearly a Jester, but it's not entirely clear what we should do about it. The mafia won't want to kill him, the town won't want to lynch him and we don't seem to have a town killer. For now, I suggest everyone completely ignores everything he has to say and we'll see if he's still alive tomorrow.
And I guess we learn that defending someone else isn't an 100% scumtell.
Argem.This was your latest contribution, Ottofar. Quite a lot has changed since then. What do you think about yesterdays events?
I think I'm believing both Org and Bayer.
I think Zrk might be scum for Bandwagoning and Tunneling.
Also Jack A T.
Post by: Org on March 14, 2011, 07:45:02 pm
But I will only tell it if you lynch me.
No, I really do know what it is.
Post by: Jack A T on March 14, 2011, 07:47:58 pm
I may know what Grave Mis-Stake is.
But I will only tell it if you lynch me.
No, I really do know what it is.
Brains are delicious.
Was this, by chance, some sort of hint, then?
Post by: Org on March 14, 2011, 07:56:25 pm
Not really.I may know what Grave Mis-Stake is.
But I will only tell it if you lynch me.
No, I really do know what it is.Brains are delicious.
Was this, by chance, some sort of hint, then?
Post by: Book on March 14, 2011, 08:28:27 pm
SirBayer and Toaster are dead; the other 13 players are alive. What's the confusion?My mistake, I missed Toaster's death. I blame it on the multi-staged dusk/night/dawn-while-talking thing... I overlooked it.
I am actually concerned about this, yes. Jester is the perfect scum fakeclaim. Org: how about you give us a full roleclaim, name of role, powers, things you sent and the like? If you cooperate, I'd be willing to vote you if you really want to be lynched and there are no better targets to choose from. If you don't cooperate then I'll continue to consider you possible scum and will encourage all to do their best to off you in any non-lynching way they have available.Hahahahaha.Or I am scum, and will never get lynched. Haha. Ultimate plan.
herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.
Mod: Can you confirm if this:
would force Org to claim his TRUE alignment to someone, or could he opt to give a fakeclaiming message?Quote[Day] Commune: You may be a gossipy skank and give away your alignment to a player of your choice each day phase.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 14, 2011, 08:33:20 pm
Just for reference:
1) I will not tell you any outright lies
2) On Day 1 or any other day where Laws don't happen, things will work basically at face value.
Post by: Org on March 14, 2011, 09:23:26 pm
Haha, thats not happening Book. I have valuable information here. Im not going to give away more than needed.SirBayer and Toaster are dead; the other 13 players are alive. What's the confusion?My mistake, I missed Toaster's death. I blame it on the multi-staged dusk/night/dawn-while-talking thing... I overlooked it.I am actually concerned about this, yes. Jester is the perfect scum fakeclaim. Org: how about you give us a full roleclaim, name of role, powers, things you sent and the like? If you cooperate, I'd be willing to vote you if you really want to be lynched and there are no better targets to choose from. If you don't cooperate then I'll continue to consider you possible scum and will encourage all to do their best to off you in any non-lynching way they have available.Hahahahaha.Or I am scum, and will never get lynched. Haha. Ultimate plan.
herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.herp derp.
Mod: Can you confirm if this:would force Org to claim his TRUE alignment to someone, or could he opt to give a fakeclaiming message?Quote[Day] Commune: You may be a gossipy skank and give away your alignment to a player of your choice each day phase.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 14, 2011, 09:29:23 pm
Post by: Book on March 14, 2011, 09:49:05 pm
Really, Book? You want to lynch the CONFIRMED jester? Really? Really? REALLY?I wondered what his reaction to the offer would be. And how sure are you he is CONFIRMED IN CAPITAL LETTERS? Couldn't he lie to Bayer? Couldn't there be some other foul play? Are you SURE there couldn't be? Really? REALLY?
In any case, I did say "if there are no better targets to choose from". We want to lynch scum, but if we have no decent leads, a mislynch of a townie is worse than a mislynch of a jester; sure, he wins, but we can keep playing and are not closer to losing, yes? So the carrot of helping him win (without impeding the town winning at the same time) was aiming for more information than we got from Bayer's flip and the rest of the night processing (which wasn't much). But you saw how he reacted.
Haha, thats not happening Book. I have valuable information here. Im not going to give away more than needed.Right, so you're OK with me thinking you still possible scum then, in that case I will not help you and will refrain from voting you, but hope and insist that whoever can kill you/neutralise you/screw with you at night, do so. If you have "valuable" information, you can either set your price and share it, or you can lose the game by whatever means the other players have to achieve that, as you are confirmed anti-town regardless of whether you are really a jester or not.
Post by: Jack A T on March 14, 2011, 09:59:36 pm
Haha, thats not happening Book. I have valuable information here. Im not going to give away more than needed.Right, so you're OK with me thinking you still possible scum then, in that case I will not help you and will refrain from voting you, but hope and insist that whoever can kill you/neutralise you/screw with you at night, do so. If you have "valuable" information, you can either set your price and share it, or you can lose the game by whatever means the other players have to achieve that, as you are confirmed anti-town regardless of whether you are really a jester or not.
He has set his price already:
I may know what Grave Mis-Stake is.
But I will only tell it if you lynch me.
No, I really do know what it is.
Now, I see one problem with how this is working: both deals that have been offered have been set up in a way that allows one side to back down after the other side sets their stuff up, without any real risk. This means that the deals will probably not be made easily.
Oh, and just to see how trustworthy the Spoiling Spectator power reveals are...Org, mind using your alignment gossipy power on someone again?
Post by: Org on March 14, 2011, 10:14:10 pm
However I no longer gave that power.
Post by: Jack A T on March 14, 2011, 10:14:55 pm
I would love to.
However I no longer gave that power.
Please explain as well as you can.
Post by: Org on March 14, 2011, 10:17:47 pm
If you lynch me, thats how you can get this information.
Post by: Jack A T on March 14, 2011, 10:21:55 pm
*Have.
If you lynch me, thats how you can get this information.
...*facepalms*
Okay, if what Org says is actually true...SpoilSpec reveal showed that the power was not a one-shot, so...oh dear. Power-removing roles?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 14, 2011, 10:25:52 pm
No, Book, I don't think he could lie to Bayer because the wording on his ability says that it's his alignment he tells them.
Post by: Book on March 14, 2011, 10:35:31 pm
Haha, thats not happening Book. I have valuable information here. Im not going to give away more than needed.Right, so you're OK with me thinking you still possible scum then, in that case I will not help you and will refrain from voting you, but hope and insist that whoever can kill you/neutralise you/screw with you at night, do so. If you have "valuable" information, you can either set your price and share it, or you can lose the game by whatever means the other players have to achieve that, as you are confirmed anti-town regardless of whether you are really a jester or not.
He has set his price already:I may know what Grave Mis-Stake is.
But I will only tell it if you lynch me.
No, I really do know what it is.
Right, but that's not good enough. Just telling us about "Mis-Stake" is not worth making him win. A full disclosure of all the information he has, sure, but not just little morsels pooped a syllable at a time in that half-grunting language of his. You're right, thought, that it'd require some measure of trust, but I at least will stand by my side of the deal if the information is honest and full enough. If it feels like a fakeclaim concocted for our benefit, though, or revealed in niggardly bits, no deal.
I also don't buy the "I don't have the power anymore" thing. It said [Day], not [One-shot], so put your money where your mouth is, Org.
PPE: Leafsnail: yeah, the same wording that says he still has it. So let him show it. Or the whole "how honest/complete the wording is" is still suspect; note how Pandar was intentionally vague about whether it was his true alignment that was revealed; he may have had the option of giving a mod-given fakeclaim, or phrasing his reveal in an ambiguous manner which Bayer interpreted as jester. It's a bastard game, after all, and "bastard" is not a compliment.
In any case, if he doesn't help the town with his information, then jester or not he's anti-town, and townies should give him both barrels to the forehead tonight.
Post by: Org on March 14, 2011, 10:37:58 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 14, 2011, 11:08:50 pm
Post by: Argembarger on March 15, 2011, 12:23:36 am
It's why I asked Pandar for a replacement.
Just a token post. I'm here. Technically. Don't count on it though.
I'll do the best I can until I'm replaced.
Post by: Ottofar on March 15, 2011, 01:42:07 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 15, 2011, 01:48:54 am
Post by: Mr.Person on March 15, 2011, 02:09:55 am
SirBayer flipped town. Either you're saying SirBayer is a really big idiot or he lied. Both are impossible.
You're saying Pand lied during the morning when the only things that can cause Pand to lie are irrelevant laws (I'm assuming they're irrelevant based on what Leafsnail is saying, so if Leafsnail is lying then alright, I suppose there's a chance Pand is lying too).
You're saying that if you have no better options, you'll lynch a jester who may or may not be of the game-ending persuasion. Now, I highly doubt Org is that kind of jester for a variety of reasons, but the chance is possible. Frankly, I'd rather not risk it. And in any case, you do no scumhunting whatsoever, so your statement is completely hallow. You say Org is a reserve lynch in case you have no other targets, yet do nothing to actually get those other targets. That makes you absurdly passive. That makes you scum.
Post by: Book on March 15, 2011, 02:44:10 am
Oh come off it, Book. Org's actions D1 scream Jester. (granted they also scream someone pretending to be Jester, but that's irrelevant here).Since my point is trying to differentiate whether he's a jester or someone pretending to be a jester, how exactly is that "irrelevant here"? It's the very crux of the question! If Org's actions scream of a jester, and also scream of someone pretending to be one, how do you decide which is true?
Note that I call no conclusions on this matter one way or the other. I offered him something he supposedly wants (my support for his lynch) to test him, and he failed that test. That may be because he's scum, or just because he's a jester who doesn't give a damn.
SirBayer flipped town. Either you're saying SirBayer is a really big idiot or he lied. Both are impossible.False dichotomy. I also point out that he may have been given a prepared fakeclaim as part of that "gossipy skank" power (or are gossipy skanks invariably honest?), or that Org or Pandar may have worded the claim in an ambiguous fashion which may have been misinterpreted, to mention just two more possibilities. So that's four so far, and I'm sure others can be presented.
You're saying that if you have no better options, you'll lynch a jester who may or may not be of the game-ending persuasion. Now, I highly doubt Org is that kind of jester for a variety of reasons, but the chance is possible. Frankly, I'd rather not risk it.Don't risk it if you don't want, I'm not asking you to do anything. I really doubt he's a game-ending jester (have you ever seen one? especially in a 15-people game?) and I assess that as possibility less likely than he (or Pandar or Bayer) lied or was mistaken about his jester claim, protecting a scum from being lynched.
And in any case, you do no scumhunting whatsoever, so your statement is completely hallow.Hallow (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hallow)'d it may be, but it's not hollow. Yours is, as I've proven above. And I am scumhunting: I'm hunting Org, specifically by testing his interest in being lynched by offering him a bone in exchange for information, and casting doubt on his assertions D1. He recently admitted he hasn't lied "D2", so it's wide open whether he lied D1 (to Bayer or to us) or not. I've not scumhunted others much yet, as the day is young, but we'll see what transpires. For now, I'm detecting scummy vibes from you:
Why are you so interested in defending Org? Why do you declare he's "CONFIRMED" jester, when you have now said "if [my assumptions don't hold] I suppose there's a chance Pand is lying too". I find your use of votes, lies, fallacies, and CAPITAL LETTERS (REALLY?) an obvious attempt at misdirection, which only a scum would do.
You say Org is a reserve lynch in case you have no other targets, yet do nothing to actually get those other targets. That makes you absurdly passive. That makes you scum.Sometimes targets just come and present themselves, don't they, Person? I say you are scum for claiming CERTAINTY that Org is CONFIRMED anything, REALLY. How are you so certain? Why are you willing to go foaming at the mouth spewing bullshit arguments to prevent anyone even questioning his word as unassailable FACT? No. The more likely explanation is that you're scum, and are either making sure your buddy's status as unlynchable remains, or want to steer the town to a mislynch that'll get you closer to victory: another townie instead of a jester.
Again, I'm not advocating we lynch Org. I'm advocating someone fucks him over during the night, and I'm casting doubts about his jester claim unless he becomes very generous with information that the town needs.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 15, 2011, 03:42:23 am
Oh come off it, Book. Org's actions D1 scream Jester. (granted they also scream someone pretending to be Jester, but that's irrelevant here).Since my point is trying to differentiate whether he's a jester or someone pretending to be a jester, how exactly is that "irrelevant here"? It's the very crux of the question! If Org's actions scream of a jester, and also scream of someone pretending to be one, how do you decide which is true?
Note that I call no conclusions on this matter one way or the other. I offered him something he supposedly wants (my support for his lynch) to test him, and he failed that test. That may be because he's scum, or just because he's a jester who doesn't give a damn.
Because it's WIFOM. I don't care who you are, this isn't a situation you can read reliably, nor is there any real reason to do so. Feel free to WIFOM yourself, but don't spread it around to the rest of the town, please.
Actually, it is a false dichotomy since neither of the options presented is an actual option. It's really that there's no possibility. Your first option is impossible because the spoiling spectators revealed Org's ability via the mod. So unless the laws we're working under applied during dawn and can allow Pand to lie about this particular ability, then Org is confirmed jester due to a confirmed townie revealing a known true, known existing role confirmation. Your second option is basically your first and my second options combined. Org didn't compose the PM, Pand revealed that he was the one making the PM. SirBayer can't have misread it since he's not an idiot. If SirBayer was confused, questions would be asked until he was sure. And besides, Pand says nothing about the ability having ambiguous wording in the revealed ability. Now, that doesn't guarantee it wasn't ambiguous, but I'm gonna apply mod logic here and say that if it was, I would definitely have said so to Org.SirBayer flipped town. Either you're saying SirBayer is a really big idiot or he lied. Both are impossible.False dichotomy. I also point out that he may have been given a prepared fakeclaim as part of that "gossipy skank" power (or are gossipy skanks invariably honest?), or that Org or Pandar may have worded the claim in an ambiguous fashion which may have been misinterpreted, to mention just two more possibilities. So that's four so far, and I'm sure others can be presented.
If any game were to have one, it would be in a bastard-ish role-heavy BYOR game like this.You're saying that if you have no better options, you'll lynch a jester who may or may not be of the game-ending persuasion. Now, I highly doubt Org is that kind of jester for a variety of reasons, but the chance is possible. Frankly, I'd rather not risk it.Don't risk it if you don't want, I'm not asking you to do anything. I really doubt he's a game-ending jester (have you ever seen one? especially in a 15-people game?) and I assess that as possibility less likely than he (or Pandar or Bayer) lied or was mistaken about his jester claim, protecting a scum from being lynched.
And in any case, you do no scumhunting whatsoever, so your statement is completely hallow.Hallow (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hallow)'d it may be, but it's not hollow. Yours is, as I've proven above. And I am scumhunting: I'm hunting Org, specifically by testing his interest in being lynched by offering him a bone in exchange for information, and casting doubt on his assertions D1. He recently admitted he hasn't lied "D2", so it's wide open whether he lied D1 (to Bayer or to us) or not. I've not scumhunted others much yet, as the day is young, but we'll see what transpires. For now, I'm detecting scummy vibes from you:
Why are you so interested in defending Org? Why do you declare he's "CONFIRMED" jester, when you have now said "if [my assumptions don't hold] I suppose there's a chance Pand is lying too". I find your use of votes, lies, fallacies, and CAPITAL LETTERS (REALLY?) an obvious attempt at misdirection, which only a scum would do.
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He's confirmed jester because the confirmed townie and confirmed neutral players used the confirmed truthful mod to reveal a publicly known true ability of Org's that specifically says it reveals his true role. I don't think it's possible to be any more confirmed jester.
Well see, you're wasting your time by scumhunting a player whose alignment is already publicly known. You're also trying to scumhunt one of the hardest-to-read players we have when he's NOT a jester trying to obfuscate, much less when he actually is. And even if he isn't, he's obviously going to try to act like one, so you're left with an absurdly difficult scumhunt that hinges on an impossible situation happening.
You're the one causing doubt about a known fact, which is why I'm voting you. There's no way you're so dense that you'll decide that any of the confirmed townie, confirmed truthful mod, and confirmed neutral spectators are lying unless you're scum. Your statements confuse me, actually, since they're absurd. You know damn well Org is a jester since you know SirBayer is town, you know the spoiling spectators are neutral, and you know Pand doesn't lie. That's pretty fucking bulletproof if you ask me.
Well of course if my assumptions are wrong the conclusions I've drawn from them are also going to be wrong. Of course, the only part of it that's a presumption is about Leafsnail, and I'm obviously not going to claim another players i confirmed if Leafsnail had to also be confirmed since Leafsnail isn't. The only reason that I even bring Leafsnail into the equation is that it drives another nail into the coffin of the "Pand's lying!" idea.
You say Org is a reserve lynch in case you have no other targets, yet do nothing to actually get those other targets. That makes you absurdly passive. That makes you scum.Sometimes targets just come and present themselves, don't they, Person? I say you are scum for claiming CERTAINTY that Org is CONFIRMED anything, REALLY. How are you so certain? Why are you willing to go foaming at the mouth spewing bullshit arguments to prevent anyone even questioning his word as unassailable FACT? No. The more likely explanation is that you're scum, and are either making sure your buddy's status as unlynchable remains, or want to steer the town to a mislynch that'll get you closer to victory: another townie instead of a jester.
Again, I'm not advocating we lynch Org. I'm advocating someone fucks him over during the night, and I'm casting doubts about his jester claim unless he becomes very generous with information that the town needs.
Because you're questioning the word of SirBayer and Pand, both of whom are infallible. And you know they're infallible since they're publicly known to be infallible.
Oddly enough, I also wouldn't mind seeing Org dead before lylo, but I would be a million times happier to see a scum get shot during the night. I wouldn't mind townie dying during the night as long as our killer eventually hits a scum or two. The only reason Org needs to go is that the scum might choose to risk lynching him. On the other hand, I'm confident in Pand's abilitiy to balance the game so that Org being a jester isn't a lylo-breaker for the scum. Is my confidence misplaced? Possibly. But we'll see. There's a load of shit that will mess up the scum's plans if they choose to reveal themselves to a bunch of strangers. For that reason, if Org's alive at lylo, I vote we don't MC.
Post by: SniHjen on March 15, 2011, 05:16:06 am
Post by: Darvi on March 15, 2011, 05:45:51 am
a)Org is a lying Jester.
b)Pandar is a lying bastard and Org overindulges in RiA.
I do not know which of those is true, but I think I'd rather go with a) since Pandar is almlost contractually required to be honest.
As for the law, I think it might do something bad if we lynch a certain person or if we fail to do so.
...lets hope it's not Org.
Post by: Ottofar on March 15, 2011, 09:08:38 am
Are you going to do this every day Ottofar? Seriously?
Yup.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 15, 2011, 03:40:29 pm
Xanatos goals? Just as planned.
Org: What are your thoughts on the current state?
Zrk2: What do you think of Mr. Person's choice to co-opt almost all of your arguments against SirBayer yesterday?
It's lazy, but not necessarily scummy. I think I covered most of the reasons for lynching him, and had Mr. Person posted a long list it would only have wasted his time and simply reiterated what I already covered, only from a slightly different angle. All-in-all it doesn't really seem to indicate anything about his alignment.
Post by: Org on March 15, 2011, 03:45:15 pm
Again, I'm not advocating we lynch Org. I'm advocating someone fucks him over during the night, and I'm casting doubts about his jester claim unless he becomes very generous with information that the town needs.Haha, yeah right. Thats completely backwards. There is no reason for you to lynch me after I tell you the information.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 15, 2011, 05:19:21 pm
The conditional sounds bad, and I assume something bad'll happen if we mislynch. Other than that, I have no idea.
I think Org is a Jester yes, now that Sr.Bayer's turned town and we know Org's power. We should avoid lynching him from now on, as he'll use what trickery he can to get himself lynched, like this deal. I don't think he actually holds any special information, and it's even less likely he's be able to reveal it, let alone speak after death. Besides, doesn't the conditional change on D3?
Really, Book? You want to lynch the CONFIRMED jester? Really? Really? REALLY?
Seems like a bit of an overreaction, Person. Your jump, and obtuse attack (if it can even be called that) are very suspicious.
Though this is an option, I opt to believe that we will have scumhunted enough by then, so I don't think this needs to be explored in further detail.
was confirm that Org is indeed a Jester...
I say you are scum for claiming CERTAINTY that Org is CONFIRMED anything, REALLY.
Haha, what
Well, I've not been able to write as much as I hoped; it's been a busy day. I'm going to try and see if I can get the rest of the case on Person tomorrow.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 15, 2011, 07:38:33 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 16, 2011, 12:36:54 am
Post by: Ottofar on March 16, 2011, 12:57:51 am
The thread is a little slow, how about we get some general thoughts from everyone.
Sure. You first.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 16, 2011, 03:17:25 am
Post by: IronyOwl on March 16, 2011, 03:22:39 am
Only things I have to say are that I agree with ignoring Org (and murdering him through non-lynch means if possible), and that A Grave Mis-Stake sounds like something to do with vampires. Initial thought was that the player we lynch comes back as a vampire, but there could be more to it than that, like a vampire now in our midst.
The primary issue, of course, is that we have no idea what laws can or can't do, which makes it rather difficult to guess at their exact effects.
Post by: Org on March 16, 2011, 06:19:45 am
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 16, 2011, 12:15:32 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 16, 2011, 12:37:25 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 16, 2011, 12:50:29 pm
I'd like to open with a quick note to SirBayer: Sorry, dude, I really thought that either you were scum or that your flip would have been more informative than it was. It seems all it did, along with the Spoiling Spectator dudes, was confirm that Org is indeed a Jester... which makes him lynch-proof, so I really hope he's not scum and managed to either lie to BayBay about it or convince him to lie for him. Oh well, we'll see, I guess.
Here we see Book try and distance himself from the lynch, yet Sir Bayer was seeming scummy, so he really has nothing to apologize for.
Honk honk
...Org Mk II?
Everyone: What do you think A Grave Mis-Stake could be? How about its condition? I'm guessing maybe it triggers on a mislynch?
Sounds like it relates to mislynching. Read the post where Bayer was lynched, it sounds like the law was triggered by him dying.
RE: Book-Mr.Person Kerfuffle
Seems interesting, but doesn't really reveal much. Worth watching, these arguments are usually fruitful if watched.
Ottofar, your turn.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 16, 2011, 03:01:32 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 16, 2011, 03:05:35 pm
Can I get a summary of current suspects and the arguments against them? I won't be able to immediately look over the thread. I'll try and get a grasp on it in the evening.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 16, 2011, 03:13:33 pm
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 2 - Leafsnail Ottofar
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 0
lordnincompoop - 0
Jim Groovester - 1 - Mr.Person
Jack A T - 0
Org - 0
Jokerman-EXE - 0
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 0
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 2 - Jim_Groovester (Holdover from when Book was still in) lordnincompoop
This day is governed by the Laws:
Conditional: A Grave Mis-Stake
State: Xanatos Goals
Day ends Monday at 5 PM Pacific.
At 13 players alive, hammers require 7 votes, Extensions require 3 votes, and Shortens require 5.
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 16, 2011, 03:37:33 pm
Also, finals. Bah.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 16, 2011, 03:39:08 pm
Okay, testing time. PandarsenicDear god. I know it's a cliché, but you're contributing less than Org. And ignoring my question.
So uh... you identified the contradiction in Book's statement, but vote Mr.Person for picking up on it?Really, Book? You want to lynch the CONFIRMED jester? Really? Really? REALLY?
Seems like a bit of an overreaction, Person. Your jump, and obtuse attack (if it can even be called that) are very suspicious.
Though this is an option, I opt to believe that we will have scumhunted enough by then, so I don't think this needs to be explored in further detail.was confirm that Org is indeed a Jester...I say you are scum for claiming CERTAINTY that Org is CONFIRMED anything, REALLY.
Haha, what
Post by: Zrk2 on March 16, 2011, 04:01:19 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 16, 2011, 04:23:25 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 16, 2011, 04:26:04 pm
So uh... you identified the contradiction in Book's statement, but vote Mr.Person for picking up on it?
No. I'm voting Person because it appears he's jumped on Book without much of a case on him. I don't think I saw the contradiction mentioned anywhere.
Well see, you're wasting your time by scumhunting a player whose alignment is already publicly known. You're also trying to scumhunt one of the hardest-to-read players we have when he's NOT a jester trying to obfuscate, much less when he actually is. And even if he isn't, he's obviously going to try to act like one, so you're left with an absurdly difficult scumhunt that hinges on an impossible situation happening.
Are you saying we should ignore him from this point on?
That is a potentially very dangerous decision. This is an unpredictable game, and Org may be aligned one way or another that we don't know about. All we know is Bayer defended Org, who flipped town, and that Org's power is to reveal his alignment. We can draw that conclusion, but I'm certainly not going to sit and ignore him for the rest of the game. This can be a cover (a risky one), and one of the factions may even have recruitment powers, which would make Org a perfect target for that.
Pand may make "lies" of omission, if I'm getting this right. He hasn't stated anything regarding the role besides the fact that he won't tell outright lies, which is quite ambiguous to me.
You're the one causing doubt about a known fact, which is why I'm voting you. There's no way you're so dense that you'll decide that any of the confirmed townie, confirmed truthful mod, and confirmed neutral spectators are lying unless you're scum. Your statements confuse me, actually, since they're absurd. You know damn well Org is a jester since you know SirBayer is town, you know the spoiling spectators are neutral, and you know Pand doesn't lie. That's pretty fucking bulletproof if you ask me.
Again, not a fact. Just another conclusion. You're stifling attempts at discussion, it seems. As I said, the setting may change and I think talk like this (coupled with plenty of hunting) will prevent us getting crippled by twists later on.
Well of course if my assumptions are wrong the conclusions I've drawn from them are also going to be wrong. Of course, the only part of it that's a presumption is about Leafsnail, and I'm obviously not going to claim another players i confirmed if Leafsnail had to also be confirmed since Leafsnail isn't. The only reason that I even bring Leafsnail into the equation is that it drives another nail into the coffin of the "Pand's lying!" idea.
This doesn't even make sense to me. What are you saying?
You say Org is a reserve lynch in case you have no other targets, yet do nothing to actually get those other targets. That makes you absurdly passive. That makes you scum.Sometimes targets just come and present themselves, don't they, Person? I say you are scum for claiming CERTAINTY that Org is CONFIRMED anything, REALLY. How are you so certain? Why are you willing to go foaming at the mouth spewing bullshit arguments to prevent anyone even questioning his word as unassailable FACT? No. The more likely explanation is that you're scum, and are either making sure your buddy's status as unlynchable remains, or want to steer the town to a mislynch that'll get you closer to victory: another townie instead of a jester.
Again, I'm not advocating we lynch Org. I'm advocating someone fucks him over during the night, and I'm casting doubts about his jester claim unless he becomes very generous with information that the town needs.
Because you're questioning the word of SirBayer and Pand, both of whom are infallible. And you know they're infallible since they're publicly known to be infallible.
Neither are infallible. Pand may be, to an extent, but Bayer isn't. You're being deliberately naive here.
Oddly enough, I also wouldn't mind seeing Org dead before lylo, but I would be a million times happier to see a scum get shot during the night. I wouldn't mind townie dying during the night as long as our killer eventually hits a scum or two. The only reason Org needs to go is that the scum might choose to risk lynching him. On the other hand, I'm confident in Pand's abilitiy to balance the game so that Org being a jester isn't a lylo-breaker for the scum. Is my confidence misplaced? Possibly. But we'll see. There's a load of shit that will mess up the scum's plans if they choose to reveal themselves to a bunch of strangers. For that reason, if Org's alive at lylo, I vote we don't MC.
Who says we have a killer? Why are you assuming there is one? Where are you getting this info?
MC?
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 16, 2011, 04:42:35 pm
NOTHING I say to you will be false. I may state technical truths, I may leave out information you shouldn't know, and I may simply say I can't tell you. I won't tell you something false. Law alterations are not accounted for.
Post by: Org on March 16, 2011, 04:47:36 pm
Quick note: Think about it. How the FUCK is Org supposed to tell us anything if we lynch him? He just wants to be lynched.Right before the lynch I can tell you what it is. If not, ya know, random kill all abound.
Also, finals. Bah.
Post by: Jack A T on March 16, 2011, 05:25:51 pm
*Who do you suspect?
*What is your opinion of your predecessor's proposed deal with Org?
*How about Mr. Person's arguments against you/Book?
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 16, 2011, 05:29:22 pm
To clarify, because you all seem to be confused:
NOTHING I say to you will be false. I may state technical truths, I may leave out information you shouldn't know, and I may simply say I can't tell you. I won't tell you something false. Law alterations are not accounted for.
Because this seems to to have been stated explicitly: Will you be telling us the whole truth, and when something is omitted, tell us about it?
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 16, 2011, 06:24:09 pm
However, you may always ask for clarification about publicly sort-of-known rules (e.g. how Laws function). You do have to ask something fairly specific, though.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 16, 2011, 06:35:23 pm
Jim Groovester: Once you've read the thread, mind answering a few questions:
*Who do you suspect?
*What is your opinion of your predecessor's proposed deal with Org?
*How about Mr. Person's arguments against you/Book?
In order:
1) I suspect Zrk2 and Mr.Person. Zrk2 for voting for SirBayer for crappy reason. I just read through the whole thread right now so I can't give you any specifics, but overall, it came off as very scummy to me. Mr.Person for the same thing, and for jumping on Book/myself for talking with Org. I figure he doesn't have anything else to go off of so he's jumping on the easiest target.
2) I do know why he did that, yes.
3) There's no real point to the argument. Mr.Person is scum, and is trying to look active doing whatever he can.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 16, 2011, 07:53:39 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 16, 2011, 09:12:46 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on March 17, 2011, 02:27:32 am
Furthermore, Book did no actual scumhunting beyond talking with Org. That further implies he doesn't want to scumhunt. He only attacked me after I attacked him. I won't say OMGUS, but it was very reactive and passive. We all know passiveness is the way of the scum.
If you still think my argument is crap, I'd at least appreciate it if you said WHY you think it's crap instead of just going "oh, he's scum because his argument is bad" and walking off. Thank you.
Well see, you're wasting your time by scumhunting a player whose alignment is already publicly known. You're also trying to scumhunt one of the hardest-to-read players we have when he's NOT a jester trying to obfuscate, much less when he actually is. And even if he isn't, he's obviously going to try to act like one, so you're left with an absurdly difficult scumhunt that hinges on an impossible situation happening.
Are you saying we should ignore him from this point on?
That is a potentially very dangerous decision. This is an unpredictable game, and Org may be aligned one way or another that we don't know about. All we know is Bayer defended Org, who flipped town, and that Org's power is to reveal his alignment. We can draw that conclusion, but I'm certainly not going to sit and ignore him for the rest of the game. This can be a cover (a risky one), and one of the factions may even have recruitment powers, which would make Org a perfect target for that.
Pand may make "lies" of omission, if I'm getting this right. He hasn't stated anything regarding the role besides the fact that he won't tell outright lies, which is quite ambiguous to me.
Yes, we really are best off ignoring him. Everything he says is WIFOM. Yes, his role might change, but it probably won't. And besides, Org is probably the worst player imaginable to turn into scum. Everybody already wants him dead, it doesn't give the scum a net advantage in votes, and doesn't gain the scum a useful night power. Wowies. If the scum did have a conversion, the best play would be to use it on night of mylo or lylo on a non-Org player to gain vote dominance. That's either tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, depending on how many scum we have. Basically what I'm saying is that conversions are a much bigger problem than just "Org might of been converted!". Unless it's a sacrifice-to-convert kind of role, but then we're given a good warning in advance. And if that happens, then yes, feel free to ask Org all the questions you want. Until then, don't spread WIFOM, please.
What we know is that Bayer received an alignment PM from Org that said Org was a jester. We also know Org has an ability to reveal his alignment to another player. We also know Org hasn't fought to defend himself at all. If you put all this together, Org's a confirmed jester. I can't even believe I had to explain this to you. But feel free to explain how Org is not a jester. He's bargaining to get himself lynched for fuck's sake, what more evidence do you want?
Again, not a fact. Just another conclusion. You're stifling attempts at discussion, it seems. As I said, the setting may change and I think talk like this (coupled with plenty of hunting) will prevent us getting crippled by twists later on.
Again, if you have reason to suspect Org is converted, bring it forth. Like if a scum who sacs to convert dies or we kill a cult member or something like that, then yes, Org will be suspect #1. But until then, stick with the evidence we have in front of us that says Org is a jester, 100%.
Well of course if my assumptions are wrong the conclusions I've drawn from them are also going to be wrong. Of course, the only part of it that's a presumption is about Leafsnail, and I'm obviously not going to claim another players i confirmed if Leafsnail had to also be confirmed since Leafsnail isn't. The only reason that I even bring Leafsnail into the equation is that it drives another nail into the coffin of the "Pand's lying!" idea.
This doesn't even make sense to me. What are you saying?
I'm saying that Leafsnail's claim and suggestion of what the law means makes me suspect that said law pertains to lynching and will have no impact on any revealations related to Org. But what I'm also saying is that even if Leafsnail is lying and the law did pertain to Org, I'd still say Org is 100% confirmed Jester by any stretch of the imagination.
Neither are infallible. Pand may be, to an extent, but Bayer isn't. You're being deliberately naive here.
In what way is Bayer fallible? Lying? He's a townie, why would he lie? Being mistaken? What's there to be mistaken about a PM that says "Org is a jester". There may have been a ton of words, but the keywords are "Org" and "jester", no matter how it was worded. And in any case, if Bayer was confused, he would of asked questions until he wasn't.
In fact, I'm actually curious now. How could the PM Pand sent Org possibly be so misleading as to cause SirBayer to confuse Org's alignment for jester? Jester isn't the kind of thing you accidentally put into a paragraph without meaning to. Town or survivor, maybe I could see it as a stretch, but jester? No way. Why would Pand include "jester" in an alignment-stating PM without that person's alignment being jester?
Who says we have a killer? Why are you assuming there is one? Where are you getting this info?
MC?
Eh, I'm kind of assuming that in a large role-heavy game like this that we have all or nearly all the kinds of roles there are. But yes, we may very well not have a killer. Note how I said killer, by the way, since an sk wants Org dead just as much as the townies do at a certain point. But whatever, it's not a big deal. I just don't want to give Org the satisfaction of winning with a lynch, really. But if we have to, we have to.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 17, 2011, 02:54:16 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 17, 2011, 02:59:46 am
Since you haven't come up with a satisfactory answer to that question, you're instead quoting from the scumhunting bible to try and build a case there, by suggesting that Book/I is/am being passive, and OMGUSing, and other mafia jargon, without really meaning it or it being applicable.
Basically, you don't have a case.
I have a question for everyone. Is anybody a zombie?
I know I am.
And I know Org is.
And I've got a feeling that the conditional for today has something to do with that.
One thing: What's an MC?
Mass claim.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 17, 2011, 03:28:30 am
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 17, 2011, 03:30:53 am
You've explained your reasons for voting Book/myself and I don't find them very compelling or even justified. You're not doing a good job explaining why fishing for information from the confirmed jester who's making suggestions that he knows something is a bad thing at all. Is it? Why? That's all Book/myself was doing.
Since you haven't come up with a satisfactory answer to that question, you're instead quoting from the scumhunting bible to try and build a case there, by suggesting that Book/I is/am being passive, and OMGUSing, and other mafia jargon, without really meaning it or it being applicable.
Basically, you don't have a case.
I have a question for everyone. Is anybody a zombie?
I know I am.
And I know Org is.
And I've got a feeling that the conditional for today has something to do with that.One thing: What's an MC?
Mass claim.
Is zombie cult? And why are you telling us?
Post by: IronyOwl on March 17, 2011, 03:41:43 am
I have a question for everyone. Is anybody a zombie?Uh...
I know I am.
And I know Org is.
And I've got a feeling that the conditional for today has something to do with that.
That's interesting. I'm now a little concerned about how this might interact with "Xanatos Goals" though.
Jim, any more information you can share would be appreciated.
...
I'm tempted to FoS one of Org or Jim, since Leafsnail suggested blue text might be involved, and the conditional is indeed blue'd. I'm... concerned about what might happen, however.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 17, 2011, 03:44:03 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 17, 2011, 03:48:28 am
Is zombie cult? And why are you telling us?
No, as far as I know. My alignment's the same. Just my role is completely disabled.
I mentioned it because I want to know if there's anything anybody knows about it. I also wanted to see how widespread it was, because if it's fairly widespread then there will be several players interested in reversing it somehow.
Jim, any more information you can share would be appreciated.
Eh, I've already said about as much as I know.
I was targeted sometime during the day yesterday. I was stabbed and turned into a zombie. The way Org talks it's obvious he's a zombie too.
So you don't see how scumhunting a jester can generate WIFOM?
You act like that was Book's intent.
Of course everything that comes out from Org's mouth is going to be WIFOM, but there might be useful information in what he has to say regardless.
Shame on Book/me for trying to get it out. Especially since I've got stake in what Org might have to say.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 17, 2011, 03:58:38 am
So tell me, how is this information on what the law is more important than finding scum? Because it certainly seems to be more important to you and was definitely more important to Book.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 17, 2011, 04:25:19 am
And apparently I'm not scumhunting even though I've given you reasons for why you're scum. I find that pretty strange.
You're just grasping at anything you can, Mr.Person.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 17, 2011, 05:11:22 am
You're trying to acquire dubious information at the expense of scumhunting to get accurate, always useful information. The law we have here doesn't matter. Let me repeat that, it does't matter. Because no matter what, optimal play here is to scumhunt for and lynch scum. So why are you choosing to spend so much time learning about the law and not spending any time scumhunting?
Post by: Darvi on March 17, 2011, 06:10:25 am
How did you find out he's a zombie anyway?
Post by: Mr.Person on March 17, 2011, 09:59:27 am
Post by: Ottofar on March 17, 2011, 10:54:35 am
Also, bluing as experiment.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 17, 2011, 12:43:58 pm
Everyone else, I put together my thoughts on the day and asked for yours, but we seem to be a little low on replies.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 17, 2011, 01:29:37 pm
Uh, what? Jim, I have to go with person here. You OMGUS him and still want to kill Org after he got confirmed as a Jester by using WIFOM. Whether he's a zombie or not doesn't change anything about his alignment, if what you said is true. And you have no proof that his alignment might have changed.
When did I say I wanted to lynch him? That's a terrible idea.
That was Book. Get your facts straight.
How did you find out he's a zombie anyway?
I would love to.
However I no longer gave that power.
Brains are delicious.
It's almost like he's describing exactly what I said happened to me.
Do either of you have any thoughts on anyone else?
Yes. You are scum. I already said as much when I posted after my readthrough of the thread.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 17, 2011, 01:38:54 pm
Jim Groovester: Once you've read the thread, mind answering a few questions:1) I suspect Zrk2 and Mr.Person. Zrk2 for voting for SirBayer for crappy reason. I just read through the whole thread right now so I can't give you any specifics, but overall, it came off as very scummy to me. Mr.Person for the same thing, and for jumping on Book/myself for talking with Org. I figure he doesn't have anything else to go off of so he's jumping on the easiest target.
*Who do you suspect?
Please explain in more depth why voting someone because they are trying to defend someone only saying 'herp a derp' is 'a crappy reason'.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 17, 2011, 02:03:31 pm
SirBayer, Why do you insist on defending Org? It isn't benefitting anyone.
Do you read? Do you see a defense going on right now? Did you miss my apology for defending at the beginning? Do you even care?
Well, I asked for it, so go ahead and defend away!
Your more recent posts sounded more like 'My original reasons were wrong, but he's a jester, so leave him alone.' meaning you were still defending him, but for different reasons, leading to the conclusion that you are a scum changing tactics in his defense, or a townie to stubborn to move on, either of which is bad.
So you're going to lynch me.
Because I'm a bad townie. We already talked about this.
Or because I'm scum, which I can respect. But you don't know?
Being wishy washy about the reasons for your vote as the deadline for Day 1 drew near clinches it. You didn't care that SirBayer was town or scum, you voted him on it being 'bad', which is complete bullshit. If you were actually town you would've said you suspected him.
This is ultra scummy and ultra passive play, and it continues during Day 2. You haven't taken a strong stance on anything or anyone.
There, satisfied? You're scum. QED, why aren't more people voting the two of you.
Now how about you tell me why you suspect Mr.Person and myself in more depth.
'Tunneling' is a very vague reason, and it's not even a scumtell. And it's not even true.
Post by: Darvi on March 17, 2011, 02:09:07 pm
Bluh. Shouldn't play during recess <_<Uh, what? Jim, I have to go with person here. You OMGUS him and still want to kill Org after he got confirmed as a Jester by using WIFOM. Whether he's a zombie or not doesn't change anything about his alignment, if what you said is true. And you have no proof that his alignment might have changed.
When did I say I wanted to lynch him? That's a terrible idea.
That was Book. Get your facts straight.
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Ah. Thanks for clarification.How did you find out he's a zombie anyway?I would love to.
However I no longer gave that power.Brains are delicious.
It's almost like he's describing exactly what I said happened to me.
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 17, 2011, 02:22:58 pm
Err... you're SITTING here saying I'm scum. That's a bad typo.
I was gonna say, haha. "Never heard that phrase before..."
Person: In my opinion, it would be important to find information on the laws because that could end up interfering with scumhunting if whatever it does catches you off-guard. That doesn't mean they're neglecting scumhunting.
On another note, I don't think Jim is scum, this just doesn't seem like his scum game. I was wishy-washy about Book, but Jim's game is a little easier to read. Especially since I've been scum with him before.
Zrk2: You had no real reason to think Bayer was scum, you just seemed to hop on the "Herp derp, he's "defending" Org" wagon. The way I saw it, he was simply stating his distaste for an Org policy lynch. With good reason (I suppose), it never works out. Why did you vote him?
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 17, 2011, 02:38:01 pm
Sadly, Native and I are only an hour or two away from getting on a bus to go home, so we likely won't be back to post until like...Sunday or Monday.
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 17, 2011, 02:38:40 pm
Sadly, Native and I are only an hour or two away from getting on a bus to go home, so we likely won't be back to post until like...Sunday or Monday.
Oh yeah, and that.
Post by: Org on March 17, 2011, 03:36:35 pm
You've explained your reasons for voting Book/myself and I don't find them very compelling or even justified. You're not doing a good job explaining why fishing for information from the confirmed jester who's making suggestions that he knows something is a bad thing at all. Is it? Why? That's all Book/myself was doing.I am not a zombie, I am the Lich.
Since you haven't come up with a satisfactory answer to that question, you're instead quoting from the scumhunting bible to try and build a case there, by suggesting that Book/I is/am being passive, and OMGUSing, and other mafia jargon, without really meaning it or it being applicable.
Basically, you don't have a case.
I have a question for everyone. Is anybody a zombie?
I know I am.
And I know Org is.
And I've got a feeling that the conditional for today has something to do with that.One thing: What's an MC?
Mass claim.
Post by: Darvi on March 17, 2011, 03:38:58 pm
>_>
Sorry couldn't resist. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N2tpcvr6Qc)
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 17, 2011, 04:16:20 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 17, 2011, 04:17:37 pm
Dunno if Org's joking though, but it seems likely. Or if the role even exists in this game.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 17, 2011, 04:24:44 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 17, 2011, 04:28:06 pm
But if there really is a lich then he's probably the one converting people into zombies.
...not that I have any reason to believe Org's claim though.
Post by: Jack A T on March 17, 2011, 04:50:24 pm
Is zombie cult? And why are you telling us?
No, as far as I know. My alignment's the same. Just my role is completely disabled.
Interesting. I feel that I must quickly point out that Book showed strong doubt in Org's power loss claims:
I also don't buy the "I don't have the power anymore" thing. It said [Day], not [One-shot], so put your money where your mouth is, Org.
Post by: Darvi on March 17, 2011, 04:52:32 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 17, 2011, 04:55:07 pm
His approach was oblique instead of direct, but that's what he was doing. As far as I can tell anyway.
Post by: Jack A T on March 17, 2011, 04:55:57 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 17, 2011, 04:56:42 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 17, 2011, 05:25:34 pm
*Org's Lich Claim: ...Right...
*Org's Everything Else Claims: ...Right...
*Complaints about Investigations of Laws: And why shouldn't we try to figure out what the day's laws are? Laws matter. They can change what our preferred behaviour is. Make us more or less cautious when voting. They can mess up scumhunting.
*Investigation of Jester's Claims: Why shouldn't we question the jester when he claims to know something? Look at this. We gained useful information about zombies, if what Jim claims is true.
*Book's Jester Confirmation Contradiction: This, I have to say I really don't like. At all. It doesn't make me feel very much into trusting Jimbook.
2) I do know why he did that, yes.Jim Groovester: Please explain.
Spoilspecs: Tonight, mind checking the powers of either Org or Jim tonight?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 17, 2011, 05:34:07 pm
Zrk2: You had no real reason to think Bayer was scum, you just seemed to hop on the "Herp derp, he's "defending" Org" wagon. The way I saw it, he was simply stating his distaste for an Org policy lynch. With good reason (I suppose), it never works out. Why did you vote him?
I thought he was scum because he was defending Org acting in a truly atrocious fashion, so I thought he was trying to protect his scumbuddy from being lynched.
Jim: Here are some quotes of you and Mr. Person doing nothing but picking at each other.
Spoiler: Massive Spoiler is Massive (click to show/hide)
Jim contributes a little while posting, but Mr. Person just tries to get him to shut up the whole time.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 17, 2011, 05:38:44 pm
2) I do know why he did that, yes.Jim Groovester: Please explain.
I did. The zombie thing is the whole reason why Book bothered talking to Org at all, and I've said everything I know about it.
I'm making assumptions here, of course, since I don't know for certain that that's the reason Book had. But I can only answer so much.
*Book's Jester Confirmation Contradiction: This, I have to say I really don't like. At all. It doesn't make me feel very much into trusting Jimbook.
You mean the contradiction lordnincompoop pointed out here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2078081#msg2078081)?
Yeah, I don't know what the fuck Book was doing. Org's pretty much a confirmed jester, and Mr.Person saying that is no reason to call him scum.
Jim: Here are some quotes of you and Mr. Person doing nothing but picking at each other.
Yes, but am I exclusively focusing on Mr.Person?
No.
Ergo, I'm not tunneling, and you're just making shit up.
I still don't understand your suspicions at all. Why is Mr.Person now worthy of your vote?
Post by: Jack A T on March 17, 2011, 05:48:03 pm
Ah. Acceptable. Can't really expect you to be able to read your predecessor's mind.2) I do know why he did that, yes.Jim Groovester: Please explain.
I did. The zombie thing is the whole reason why Book bothered talking to Org at all, and I've said everything I know about it.
I'm making assumptions here, of course, since I don't know for certain that that's the reason Book had. But I can only answer so much.
*Book's Jester Confirmation Contradiction: This, I have to say I really don't like. At all. It doesn't make me feel very much into trusting Jimbook.
You mean the contradiction lordnincompoop pointed out here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2078081#msg2078081)?
Yeah, I don't know what the fuck Book was doing. Org's pretty much a confirmed jester, and Mr.Person saying that is no reason to call him scum.
Yep, that contradiction. Response noted.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 17, 2011, 06:08:42 pm
I still don't understand your suspicions at all. Why is Mr.Person now worthy of your vote?
Because he was trying to get you to stop presenting reasons, claiming they were WIFOM, usually, trying to present a case is looked upon with favour by town. He tries to get you to stop posting, claiming WIFOM, but never providing specific examples.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 17, 2011, 06:50:09 pm
No. I'm voting Person because it appears he's jumped on Book without much of a case on him. I don't think I saw the contradiction mentioned anywhere.Didn't Mr.Person stress confirmed? Like, in capitals? The word which Book used to describe Org's jestership status?
If you're annoyed that he didn't explain why voting the confirmed jester was scummy... well, you didn't really explain why him voting Book was scummy either. "Not much of a case" is a very vague accusation.
Well of course I know the fantasy definition, but I want to know what it is in the context of a mafia game. This isn't the first time I've heard of it.On #mafia:
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Lich (sk; super-rare; 7+ players): You can kill a player each night. If you are killed, your soul will transfer to BUDDY1, and they will become a lich in your place. However, if they are already dead, your soul will be lost. Actions: killIt's a ridiculously overpowered and swingy role.
Jim: Here are some quotes of you and Mr. Person doing nothing but picking at each other....This appears to be a complete non sequiter. You just quote lots of arguing and point at one of the participants apparently at random (on an accusation related to tunneling... which isn't a scumtell?).
Yes, but am I exclusively focusing on Mr.Person?Why say this? He specifically said later in the post that he thought you weren't tunneling.
No.
Ergo, I'm not tunneling, and you're just making shit up.
I still don't understand your suspicions at all. Why is Mr.Person now worthy of your vote?
Ottofar, you've been CONTINUING TO ACTIVE LURK HORRIBLY. Give some goddamn content rather than posting just enough nonsense to stay off a lurker tracker prod list.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 17, 2011, 06:53:48 pm
Post by: Org on March 17, 2011, 07:44:33 pm
Derp.
Org.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 17, 2011, 08:04:52 pm
Why say this? He specifically said later in the post that he thought you weren't tunneling.
Did he?
He said I contributed (a little, pffft). He didn't say I wasn't tunneling.
Well of course I know the fantasy definition, but I want to know what it is in the context of a mafia game. This isn't the first time I've heard of it.On #mafia:QuoteLich (sk; super-rare; 7+ players): You can kill a player each night. If you are killed, your soul will transfer to BUDDY1, and they will become a lich in your place. However, if they are already dead, your soul will be lost. Actions: killIt's a ridiculously overpowered and swingy role.
Yeah, okay. Org's bluffing about that too.
Post by: Org on March 17, 2011, 08:21:56 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 17, 2011, 09:27:13 pm
Jim: Here are some quotes of you and Mr. Person doing nothing but picking at each other....This appears to be a complete non sequiter. You just quote lots of arguing and point at one of the participants apparently at random (on an accusation related to tunneling... which isn't a scumtell?).
Actually, that was the entirety of their posts over two pages.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 17, 2011, 10:46:45 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 17, 2011, 11:59:22 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on March 18, 2011, 12:31:20 am
Well, that's a lot to take in. For now, let me clarify something. Somebody brought up that I don't want Jim to talk or something like that. That's actually quite true. I want him unable to talk due to being dead. I want everybody else to lynch him. What exactly is scummy about that? I'm really starting to get confused here.I think they were referring to not wanting him to try to get info from Org for any reason.
Speaking of which, could you restate your case on Jimbook? As far as I can recall, it's that he was trying to get Org, a confirmed jester, lynched, and that he was trying to get information out of him. Is that true?
Post by: Mr.Person on March 18, 2011, 01:00:22 am
Post by: Zrk2 on March 18, 2011, 02:01:35 am
It has more to do with focusing on Org (lynching or information gathering) at the expense of scumhunting.
Mmm... unvote
(As in I may unvote should I see anything else scummy. Did it come across that way, or does it look like I have no clue what I'm doing?)
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 18, 2011, 02:06:54 am
Post by: Mr.Person on March 18, 2011, 02:45:17 am
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 18, 2011, 01:51:40 pm
@lordnincompoop and Jim Groovester: My reasoning for voting Book was that he scumhunted a confirmed jester. Now, even he admitted that Org was a jester at the time. He also said he'd be happy to lynch the jester. All of this just screams that he doesn't want to scumhunt. That's a major scumtell right there.
If you mean investigation, I don't see how that's harmful in any way. He was investigating his role and discussing game mechanics, and I think that is quite an important aspect here.
This is a weak reason, and if that's all you have then it's a weak case as well.
Furthermore, Book did no actual scumhunting beyond talking with Org. That further implies he doesn't want to scumhunt. He only attacked me after I attacked him. I won't say OMGUS, but it was very reactive and passive. We all know passiveness is the way of the scum.
Reactive AND passive? What?
And you know damn well good scumplay isn't passiveness. It's suspicious, sure, but I'd say bad attacks are even more so.
If you still think my argument is crap, I'd at least appreciate it if you said WHY you think it's crap instead of just going "oh, he's scum because his argument is bad" and walking off. Thank you.
I'm doing so right now.
Yes, we really are best off ignoring him. Everything he says is WIFOM.
Now you're going around making all these predictions and assumptions. Do you really think we're dumb enough not to notice that stuff?
Nothing's preventing him from being productive (besides his role), and we shouldn't condemn him just because of his meta.
What we know is that Bayer received an alignment PM from Org that said Org was a jester. We also know Org has an ability to reveal his alignment to another player. We also know Org hasn't fought to defend himself at all. If you put all this together, Org's a confirmed jester. I can't even believe I had to explain this to you. But feel free to explain how Org is not a jester. He's bargaining to get himself lynched for fuck's sake, what more evidence do you want?
I never said Org was not a Jester. But there's a definite possibility he might become something else, or that there's a hidden mechanic in play. You're being oblique.
Again, if you have reason to suspect Org is converted, bring it forth. Like if a scum who sacs to convert dies or we kill a cult member or something like that, then yes, Org will be suspect #1. But until then, stick with the evidence we have in front of us that says Org is a jester, 100%.
That does not mean we should simply ignore him, or stop questioning him.
You're not hunting, you're just shitting here saying I'm scum. Where have you scumhunted? Ever? You've defended yourself from me and decided I was scum.
Have you done any scumhunting, for that matter? This piece here could just as easily apply to you. You're being too narrow.
Have you looked at anybody else? Nope.
Don't think you have, either. Start investigating other people; you're losing focus.
This was the same shit Book did, which makes me think you have a similar reason for wanting to know about the laws and don't care much about who's scum.
I don't think you do, either. You're not investigating anyone else, and your case is weak.
You're trying to acquire dubious information at the expense of scumhunting to get accurate, always useful information.
This is contradictory. In the same sentence, you say he's trying to get both unreliable and reliable information. Pick one.
Jim: Here are some quotes of you and Mr. Person doing nothing but picking at each other.
[HUEGSPOILER]
I don't see how this is relevant.
Didn't Mr.Person stress confirmed? Like, in capitals? The word which Book used to describe Org's jestership status?
Stress confirmed?
Elaborate.
If you're annoyed that he didn't explain why voting the confirmed jester was scummy... well, you didn't really explain why him voting Book was scummy either. "Not much of a case" is a very vague accusation.
I'm pointing it out now, and if you look at my previous posts I'm pretty sure I did so there too.
QuoteLich (sk; super-rare; 7+ players): You can kill a player each night. If you are killed, your soul will transfer to BUDDY1, and they will become a lich in your place. However, if they are already dead, your soul will be lost. Actions: killIt's a ridiculously overpowered and swingy role.
Probs not in, then.
Why say this? He specifically said later in the post that he thought you weren't tunneling.
What?
Mr. Person and Jim Groovester have been tunneling each other.
Tunnelling is quite clearly mentioned, as you can see.
If you mean Mr.Person, then you're thinking of the wrong person, and I don't see that mention anywhere in his posts.
Darvi, are you going to scumhunt/be useful or what?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 18, 2011, 02:11:49 pm
What are you doing there? Are you actually unvoting or are you just retracting an FoS?
It is to an unvote as a FoS is to a vote. I mean I may unvote should I see anything more scummy, or he acts more townie, as he has provided answers, but I'm not willing to let it go quite that easily.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 18, 2011, 05:17:59 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 18, 2011, 05:54:58 pm
Hm. I'll contribute tomorrow or something.Ottofar's only contribution after this was to ask Org one question and blue him. His contributions before this have generally been minimal.
I want to hear something from him. Anything. That is, anything useful.
Ottofar: What do you think of Mr. Person and Jimbook Groovethras, and their arguments against each other? How about the zombie thing? Give your reasons for both, please.
IronyOwl: You haven't said too much today. What do you think is the best way to deal with Jim's zombie claim?
Post by: IronyOwl on March 18, 2011, 06:22:40 pm
IronyOwl: You haven't said too much today. What do you think is the best way to deal with Jim's zombie claim?Keep trying to reread, but can't quite get anything out of it. The Person-Jim incident is similarly opaque; I don't get the feeling Person is scum, but his insistence that Book/Jim is for trying to get something out of Org doesn't seem reasonable.
As for Jim's claim, I'm not too sure. The fact that he was willing to mention it seems townlike, though the fact that he thinks Org is as well might have meant otherwise. In any case, I'd like to lynch a zombie to find out what happens, but I don't want to punish Jim for giving us info, or reward Org for... well, I'd like to give Org the finger.
Anyway, another thought occurred to me: Conditionals are IF-THEN statements, which would seem to imply that either the zombie thing is a result of Xanatos Goals, or that the zombie thing happened in response to something today.
Post by: Org on March 18, 2011, 06:31:28 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 18, 2011, 06:35:13 pm
Anyway, another thought occurred to me: Conditionals are IF-THEN statements, which would seem to imply that either the zombie thing is a result of Xanatos Goals, or that the zombie thing happened in response to something today.
Can't be the latter, if Jim's telling the truth:
I was targeted sometime during the day yesterday. I was stabbed and turned into a zombie. The way Org talks it's obvious he's a zombie too.
PPE: ...*sighs*
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 18, 2011, 06:38:53 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 18, 2011, 06:43:32 pm
Unvote, vote Ottofar.
Mod, I think Ottofar may need a prod.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 18, 2011, 06:44:17 pm
FoS Org, by the way.
Can we get a lurkertracker? We're getting very little conversation going and it's starting to worry me a lot.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 18, 2011, 06:48:49 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 18, 2011, 06:51:20 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on March 18, 2011, 06:52:24 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 18, 2011, 06:53:14 pm
I'm not so sure. Nothing happened when I FoS'd you. Wait, are you still a zombie now or was that just for yesterday?
I'm assuming that whatever happens with FoSes will happen at the end of the day.
I'm still a zombie.
Can we get a lurkertracker? We're getting very little conversation going and it's starting to worry me a lot.
It's doubtful that's going to happen considering Book is gone.
Post by: Jack A T on March 18, 2011, 06:57:49 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 18, 2011, 07:02:43 pm
I'll see if I can get the LurkerTracker to work. Expect delays.
This is Bay12, of course delays are expected. [lame joke]What else do you expect when you try and run it with lava?[/lame joke].
Second question, Zrk, why did it take this long for you to vote someone? Third, can we get a votecount, please?
I had voted for Mr. Person before this, I was being cautious because of the conditional but it doesn't seem to be doing anything yet.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 18, 2011, 07:06:51 pm
I'll offer to be a test subject, but not for votes, since I'm guessing lynching me is going to do just that. I'm guessing that the conditional has something to do with FoSes, so I think everybody should FoS me in the interests of science. It might end up killing me or it might end up removing my zombie status. I'm hoping the later, but either way everybody gets more information.This suddenly makes me nervous.
Post by: Darvi on March 18, 2011, 07:19:16 pm
I had a hugeass post here and when I wanted to send it my internet cable was unplugged. Now it's all gone T_T
Post by: Darvi on March 18, 2011, 07:31:48 pm
I haven't been posting here for today because I had a headache that was worse than usual, so I spent my time playing roguelikes instead. Less thinking involved.
Thinking hurts.
So, uh, lurker tracker. Yeah, I support that. Also I'd like to know how it's used because I'm intereested in that kind of stuff.
About the conditional: dunno what could trigger it, but here's what I got so far:
-votes/unvotes
-FoS(/unFoS?)
-day actions
-lurking?
-Spoilspec shenanigans?
Stuff marked with question marks are unlikely imo.
Also, since I'm curious and like cats :3 : unvote, FoS Jim, unFoS, FoS a piece of cake, vote Wuba, Unvote, unFoS.
Should cover it imo. Screw caution, I'm not in a mood for it right now.
About the rest:
It makes my headache worse.
I'm not sure of anything anymore really. Even Org's trolling makes me unsure. The only thing I know for sure is that Ottofar hasn't been posting since Tuesday. Or was it Wednesday? Damn posting after midnight. Whatever.
About the Bookster-Person debate, that really did start with book, huh. I dunno, I've seen town argue with each other like this, so I don't think that makes one of them automatically scum. Maybe something they said, but I'm not in a state to read all the way back right now.
I can't really think straight since it's hot.Good to know I'm not the only one then.
Post by: Jack A T on March 18, 2011, 08:21:15 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on March 18, 2011, 09:46:30 pm
And you know damn well good scumplay isn't passiveness. It's suspicious, sure, but I'd say bad attacks are even more so.Making a bad case is bad for scum and bad for town. It isn't a scumtell on its own.
Nothing's preventing him from being productive (besides his role), and we shouldn't condemn him just because of his meta.He has no reason to tell the truth. He has plenty of reasons to lie.
Book was apparently trying to threaten him with being NK'd by a town PR. Well, if there is a vig, he should be killing Org regardless. He definitely brings the town one day closer to lylo through his existance.
Ignoring him is the only sensible option. You'd be equally well off listening to the random static on a radio.
Stress confirmed?He wrote CONFIRMED in capital letters. I'd call that stressing a word.
Elaborate.
I'm pointing it out now, and if you look at my previous posts I'm pretty sure I did so there too.But you're saying the scumtell was not initially explaining yourself, didn't you?
What?Can you stop replying to things that are specifically addressed to other people? It obviously won't make sense if you answer something aimed at Jim Groovester.
Post by: Org on March 18, 2011, 09:47:40 pm
Only if I wasnt granted extra powers, ha ha.And you know damn well good scumplay isn't passiveness. It's suspicious, sure, but I'd say bad attacks are even more so.Making a bad case is bad for scum and bad for town. It isn't a scumtell on its own.Nothing's preventing him from being productive (besides his role), and we shouldn't condemn him just because of his meta.He has no reason to tell the truth. He has plenty of reasons to lie.
Book was apparently trying to threaten him with being NK'd by a town PR. Well, if there is a vig, he should be killing Org regardless. He definitely brings the town one day closer to lylo through his existance.
Ignoring him is the only sensible option. You'd be equally well off listening to the random static on a radio.Stress confirmed?He wrote CONFIRMED in capital letters. I'd call that stressing a word.
Elaborate.I'm pointing it out now, and if you look at my previous posts I'm pretty sure I did so there too.But you're saying the scumtell was not initially explaining yourself, didn't you?What?Can you stop replying to things that are specifically addressed to other people? It obviously won't make sense if you answer something aimed at Jim Groovester.
Anyway, herp derp derp.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 19, 2011, 01:03:42 am
Or say something useful.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 19, 2011, 02:49:12 am
Stress confirmed?He wrote CONFIRMED in capital letters. I'd call that stressing a word.
Elaborate.
Ah, my mistake. I thought you meant he was confirmed via stress, or something like that.
I'm pointing it out now, and if you look at my previous posts I'm pretty sure I did so there too.But you're saying the scumtell was not initially explaining yourself, didn't you?
No. I said that his scumtell was not having any compelling or good reasons.
What?Can you stop replying to things that are specifically addressed to other people? It obviously won't make sense if you answer something aimed at Jim Groovester.
Look at the quote below that.
Yeah, I'd like a LurkerTracker, if anyone can run it.
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 09:46:22 am
On the Zombie subject, Jimbook was the first to vote SB, and Bayer got Org-info. Related?
Anyways, I dislike the bandwagon forming so quickly. So FoS's to the three of you; Zrk, Irony, Darvi.
Also, an idea: Mod: Votecount, please?
Mod: FoS-Count please?
Post by: Jack A T on March 19, 2011, 11:23:30 am
Zombie thing: Could be. Doubt it, though. Sounds a bit too intricate for powers or laws.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 19, 2011, 11:44:51 am
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 11:57:34 am
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 11:59:03 am
But he's been the more tunneler-esqueof the two, while Jim's been doing other stuff.
Post by: Jack A T on March 19, 2011, 12:01:32 pm
Ottofar, REASONING. PLEASE. THANK YOU.
PPE: ...Better, but still, you really haven't contributed much at all this game, and posting a vote without reasoning never looks good.
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 12:05:32 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 19, 2011, 02:16:11 pm
I never was able to get in this game so well. I just used my power. I think, so don't hammer me. Yet at least.
On the Zombie subject, Jimbook was the first to vote SB, and Bayer got Org-info. Related?
Anyways, I dislike the bandwagon forming so quickly. So FoS's to the three of you; Zrk, Irony, Darvi.
Also, an idea: Mod: Votecount, please?
Mod: FoS-Count please?
It may be a bit of a wagon, but this sounds distinctly like an OMGUS. However you haven't contributed so I think that it's justified (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JustifiedTrope).
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 02:22:53 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on March 19, 2011, 02:30:27 pm
Ottofar, you've had like a whole goddamn week to post something of value and haven't. At this point you're just trying to get out of posting.
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 02:36:25 pm
I repeat don't hammer me, I've used my power. Wait for the results first, at least.
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 02:38:31 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 19, 2011, 02:39:06 pm
I'm too tired to make a proper attack on anyone right now. I'll hopefully do that tomorrow.
...Oh no, not this again.
Hm. I'll contribute tomorrow or something.
I had stuff today. Was meaning to post, but yeah.
I'm going to a sports camp over the weekend. Expect only PFP's then.
Extend, I should be able to post tomorrow.
You've failed to answer anyone's questions for a while except for mine, and even there, your answers were minimal.
My vote's staying on you, especially with your latest promise to post something useful tomorrow.
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 02:40:21 pm
I just used my power. I think, so don't hammer me. Yet at least.
It doesn't matter. I was hammered already.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 19, 2011, 02:41:35 pm
Mr. P.
Meh. No. Unvote Mr. P.
But he's been the more tunneler-esqueof the two, while Jim's been doing other stuff.
Still no conviction from you, Ottofar. That is weak reasoning, and is much too little to justify a vote. right now, it just looks like a badly disguised reaction to Mr. P's post against you.
I'm too tired to make a proper attack on anyone right now. I'll hopefully do that tomorrow.
You've never made a proper attack on anyone this game, and your posts consist of unexplained actions (or badly explained ones), always with a promise to contribute more "later":
Toaster's #1 Scumtell: Repeatedly saying you will deliver more analysis later without ever actually providing.
What the hell, Ottofar? Why do you keep doing this? You've had plenty time to post, and I quite frankly can't see how you can be too busy to provide all the time.
'Kay. But anyways, I'm now at L-1 by my count.
I repeat don't hammer me, I've used my power. Wait for the results first, at least.
What, blackmail now? "I've used my power, so don't hammer me or you'll be sorry"?
Come up with something good, because I'm sorely tempted to do so.
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 02:42:07 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 02:46:12 pm
Ottofar1
Unvote, vote Ottofar.2
Ottofar,3
Ottofar4
Ottofar, REASONING. PLEASE. THANK YOU.5
Ottofar6/11. Hammer. That's it.
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 02:46:35 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 02:47:03 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 02:48:13 pm
Post by: Org on March 19, 2011, 04:06:15 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 19, 2011, 04:16:19 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 04:19:23 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 04:19:49 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 19, 2011, 05:16:45 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 19, 2011, 05:18:39 pm
You should unvote and let Ottofar get them out. Because if he flips town, then we have information that we know we can trust.
Unless you have a problem with that.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 19, 2011, 05:20:15 pm
Unvote.
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 05:31:08 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 19, 2011, 05:35:13 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 19, 2011, 05:37:19 pm
Anyways, since Pandar's still not arrived, I'll get some sleep now. Nights.
Post by: Org on March 19, 2011, 07:01:26 pm
Haha, its just funny.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 19, 2011, 07:01:40 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 19, 2011, 08:20:45 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 19, 2011, 09:56:59 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 20, 2011, 02:11:24 am
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 02:26:27 am
Ottofar: What kind of results are we waiting for?
Valid. I don't know anything else.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 20, 2011, 02:44:37 am
Darvi - 0
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 4 - Leafsnail Darvi Jack_A_T Org
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 0
lordnincompoop - 0
Jim Groovester - 1 - Mr.Person
Jack A T - 0
Org - 0
Jokerman-EXE - 0
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 0
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 2 - Jim_Groovester lordnincompoop
This day is governed by the Laws:
Conditional: A Grave Mis-Stake
State: Xanatos Goals
Day ends Monday at 5 PM Pacific.
At 13 players alive, hammers require 7 votes, Extensions require 3 votes, and Shortens require 5.
Sorry for delays. Also, hammer on Ottofar did not occur.
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 02:55:20 am
Ottofar: What kind of results are we waiting for?
Valid. I don't know anything else.
Okay guys, the power is to undo everything done last night.
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 20, 2011, 03:48:27 am
Ottofar: What kind of results are we waiting for?
Valid. I don't know anything else.
Okay guys, the power is to undo everything done last night.
That's your result? What power?
Post by: IronyOwl on March 20, 2011, 04:00:43 am
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 04:20:15 am
I decided not to use it, due to Toaster being able to become mafia-ally.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 20, 2011, 06:31:20 am
Start from the beginning or I lynch you.
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 06:40:01 am
He replied that it was a night action.
I didn't answer no more, thinking it was obvious. In the morning, I didn't receive any PMs about anything.
When I was at L-1 or something I said I'd like to try and see what it does.
Pandar told me I could've learned about it last night.
I said that was my intention and I had thought asking was enough.
He replied with apologies and the info.
Pandarmodic, Can you confirm this?
Post by: IronyOwl on March 20, 2011, 06:45:14 am
What's with this Toaster and mafia-ally business?
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 20, 2011, 07:34:34 am
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 08:04:24 am
What's with this Toaster and mafia-ally business?
He could choose his own alignment.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 20, 2011, 08:07:14 am
Post by: Zrk2 on March 20, 2011, 11:16:04 am
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 12:01:55 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 12:04:26 pm
I don't want to do it now, due to Toaster being a potential mafia-ally.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 20, 2011, 12:09:02 pm
Idea: We all use our night action to reveal our powers to us, revert the night thanks to Ottofar, and enjoy the benefit of knowing our powers along with the added fate effect. This means we get to find our powers at no cost, besides Ottofar losing his one-shot.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 20, 2011, 12:10:04 pm
Hmm.
Idea: We all use our night action to reveal our powers to us, revert the night thanks to Ottofar, and enjoy the benefit of knowing our powers along with the added fate effect. This means we get to find our powers at no cost, besides Ottofar losing his one-shot.
Good idea? Or best idea?
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 20, 2011, 12:15:37 pm
Hmm.
Idea: We all use our night action to reveal our powers to us, revert the night thanks to Ottofar, and enjoy the benefit of knowing our powers along with the added fate effect. This means we get to find our powers at no cost, besides Ottofar losing his one-shot.
Good idea? Or best idea?
Only the best.
Unfortunately, this hinges on Ottofar telling the truth and actually having the power as well as it working as it should, which is rather risky.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 20, 2011, 12:16:14 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 20, 2011, 12:27:57 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 20, 2011, 12:28:49 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 12:32:22 pm
Hmm.
Idea: We all use our night action to reveal our powers to us, revert the night thanks to Ottofar, and enjoy the benefit of knowing our powers along with the added fate effect. This means we get to find our powers at no cost, besides Ottofar losing his one-shot.
Good idea? Or best idea?
Only the best.
Unfortunately, this hinges on Ottofar telling the truth and actually having the power as well as it working as it should, which is rather risky.
You can always lynch me tomorrow.
Also, Zrk's probably scum. Reasons coming right up, got carried away in #mafia.
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 01:52:44 pm
Unvote, vote Org, this is ridiculous.
On the bandwagon he goes. With no more reasoning than Org's orger than org. Yeah.
Bandwagon? It may be turning into one, but I joined before. I was looking through the last page, saw that Org hadn't asked a single question or contributed anything for the entirety of a page in which he had every other post.
Defensive.
Re: Post Above
I played once with Org before, he was annoying, but never this bad. Also, your need to defend Orgs indefensible position screams buddying.
OMGUS-deflection thing.
We get the fucking point. ORG PLAYS WEIRD, YET HOW HE IS PLAYING NOW IS WORSE THAN NORMAL. ORG BEING ORG IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO BE USELESS.
Or is my text white, too?
Angry Zrk is angry. This goes meta, but I haven't seen him angry before, as town. I don't recall at least.
SirBayer
Argembarger, yes I am aware others are in this game, but they don't seem near as scummy as those two.Votes:...I get two votes?!
Hammering failure.
Admits on tunneling. Shuns it as a null tell.
Also panicing over two votes.
The hammering issue seems moot now, as well.
Again shunning a tell, more harsh this time.
Jim contributes a little while posting, but Mr. Person just tries to get him to shut up the whole time.
Buddies Jim.
-snip-It may be a bit of a wagon, but this sounds distinctly like an OMGUS. However you haven't contributed so I think that it's justified (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JustifiedTrope).
Deflect.
I don't think it's happening, poor scum.
"Nah man. You ain't getting your results. Score 1 for the scum!"
Eh, I guess there's nothing to lose, unless he has some crazy ability involving unvoting.
Unvote.
Jim comes in and points out he should really unvote. He does so.
Well, Ottofar, nothing seems to be happening.
"Oshit. Un-NK power. Gotta lynch him quick!"
Hmm.
Idea: We all use our night action to reveal our powers to us, revert the night thanks to Ottofar, and enjoy the benefit of knowing our powers along with the added fate effect. This means we get to find our powers at no cost, besides Ottofar losing his one-shot.
Good idea? Or best idea?
Doesn't unvote, despite agreeing with the plan.
When does the day end?
"I hope the day's ending soon, so we'll get a free lynch, and get rid of a good power!"
So. I think I am now allowed to say Vote Zrk2.
Post by: Jack A T on March 20, 2011, 02:08:02 pm
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 02:36:49 pm
I read it wrong.
I thought it was, "Why am I being voted by two people?!"
Other points still stand, though.
Post by: Ottofar on March 20, 2011, 03:54:00 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 20, 2011, 04:06:37 pm
When does the day end?
Monday, 5 PM Pacific.
Oh wait.
I read it wrong.
I thought it was, "Why am I being voted by two people?!"
Acceptable.
Pandar: You've come in every once in a while to say something. Mind giving a votecount?
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 20, 2011, 04:10:37 pm
I also agree that Zrk2 is scummy and I wouldn't mind seeing him lynched.
Unvote Mr.Person, Zrk2.
Post by: Jack A T on March 20, 2011, 04:38:50 pm
Didn't see him get quite as angry as he was in the ALL CAPS POST, but I did find a point in BYOR 6.3 where he got rather annoyed at Org:
Or at least stop ending every post with 'herp derp.' It's fucking annoying. Why?
Meh.
Zrk2.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 20, 2011, 05:34:43 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on March 20, 2011, 05:47:15 pm
Boy, it sure is quick-wagon-and-switch in here...
So what are you gonna do about it?
Post by: Mr.Person on March 20, 2011, 05:47:55 pm
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 20, 2011, 05:58:02 pm
You're just happy it's happening because people are finally stopping their attacks on you. It's funny; when there was pressure all over you from multiple people, you were pretty hard to get a hold of. And yet, as soon as the wagon starts on Zrk2, you're right there to...what, defend it? Just pointing that out, because I myself didn't really think you were that scummy. I think that this new twist puts you on my radar, but I'd rather see what everyone else thinks of your attendance.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 20, 2011, 06:20:45 pm
Then you deflect onto me... in the most passive way imaginable. Everybody else's opinions only matter to the scum. End of story. You seem to ONLY care about the opinions of others, which just makes you all the scummier.Unvote Jim, vote Jokerman.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 20, 2011, 06:50:43 pm
First, I never said it was a "scumwagon," mostly because I don't think that the people of the wagon are all that scummy. Ottofar was near the top of my list, but his recent posts have allayed a lot of my suspicions, and Jim/Jack weren't all that high on my list to begin with. Jack has moved higher, but again, I don't think he's scum just yet.
And then you fly to defend yourself when I point out your absence. Two whole paragraphs, ending in a vote, just because I pointed out the fact that you were gone when people were attacking you, but not when they're looking at someone else? Really? I wasn't even attacking you, just pointing out an observation. That's pretty suspicious. In addition, you haven't even said a single word to me all game, and then somehow, despite the arguments you've already made and the suspicions you've already said you have, you think I'm scummy enough to vote, as soon as you realize that your vote on Jim was garbage that no one believed? I find that pretty interesting, given that you said yourself that a townie should "use the tools the town has to stop scum," which means that either your suspicions were garbage and you don't believe them to be true, or you're just attacking me in a terribly-thought-out OMGUS.
So what would you have done, Person? Given the same situation as me, would you have voted someone you didn't think was scummy, just because? Or would you join the wagon? Or what? I'm curious to know, because you seem to know exactly how a good Townie would act. And don't go screaming OMGUS, because at least I have reasons behind my vote.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 20, 2011, 07:36:23 pm
but I'd rather see what everyone else thinks of your attendance.Why is this even relevant? "Gee, you're kind of scummy now, but I'd like everyone else to comment before I swing one way or the other."
Plus your reaction to the wagon is extremely passive. You don't like it, but you're not willing to do anything about it but make a snarky comment? That's it? No asking people if this is really a good idea, no pointing out how scummy it is, nothing whatsoever but pointing out that it's happening? If it's not worth doing anything about, not even suggesting we not do it or pointing out that it's a bad idea, why mention it at all?
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 20, 2011, 07:45:24 pm
In response to you, though: eh. I think I've said this enough now: I didn't think anyone in the wagon was particularly scummy, but I wanted to point it out so that no one thinks it's going unnoticed. Three votes isn't enough to worry me D1, but it is enough to draw my attention. That's why I pointed it out. And look, it worked: drew attention to what was happening and started a conversation about it. Maybe in the wrong direction, but I bet everyone sees it now.
Speaking of passivity, thanks for popping in long enough to literally what Mr.Person said. Y'know, despite the part where I showed exactly how I felt about the wagon. And where I answered his suspicions. In fact, for someone who is voting me for "not doing anything," you're doing a remarkable job of saying nothing new, copying a vote, and pretending to contribute.
Really, I hope someone else can see this. You're near the top of my list, IO, but I still think Mr.Person has some talking to do.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 20, 2011, 08:05:18 pm
On that note, why were you calling attention to it? You say you don't really find anyone on it scummy, and you haven't bothered to explain why it's dangerous or otherwise a bad idea, so what is it? Just warning scum away from doing something obvious? What's the function here?
You've also failed to explain why what everyone else thinks of Person is necessary for you to have a non-OMGUS opinion on him.
Post by: Jack A T on March 20, 2011, 08:25:05 pm
First, Jokerman.
That was a rather passive comment on the bandwagon, I must say. Also, you seem too dependent on the opinions of others to actually vote, which no town should be.
The goal of the town, in voting, is to point out who they think is scummy and eventually get the scummiest person lynched. The goal of the scum is to make sure that a mislynch occurs. The former doesn't depend on the opinions of others as much as the latter.
And then you fly to defend yourself when I point out your absence. Two whole paragraphs, ending in a vote, just because I pointed out the fact that you were gone when people were attacking you, but not when they're looking at someone else? Really? I wasn't even attacking you, just pointing out an observation.
While you do make it clear that that was just pointing out an observation, it does feel rather like a slightly concealed attack:
You're just happy it's happening because people are finally stopping their attacks on you. It's funny; when there was pressure all over you from multiple people, you were pretty hard to get a hold of. And yet, as soon as the wagon starts on Zrk2, you're right there to...what, defend it? Just pointing that out, because I myself didn't really think you were that scummy.
"You were away for pretty much the entire time that a wagon was on you and now you're suddenly defending a wagon on Zrk2! Not an attack, just pointing it out."
And now, Mr. Person.
I must wonder how pointing out how the town seems to be overly willing to make and change bandwagons isn't, in a way, discouraging them.
I must also wonder why, with stronger evidence against Jokerman than you had against SirBayer, your attack on Jokerman is so much lighter than your attack was on SirBayer.
NativeForeigner, Jokerman: Welcome back. Mind sharing your opinions on the things you missed?
Mr. Person, I didn't like your D1 attacks on SirBayer and piggybacking off of Zrk2, I didn't like your dislike of attempting to figure out what the laws are and whether anything related to Org was true today when you were arguing against Jimbook Groovethras, but I'm not ready to vote in this conflict yet, seeing how Jokerman also feels scummy to me. Need more information.
PPE: And another argument to look at. Yay.
IronyOwl: Did you even read what Jokerman said after that? The whole bit about his thoughts on the bandwagon, and how he thought it wasn't that scummy?
PPE The Second: ...beat me to it.
Jokerman: ...so you pointed it out just to make sure that no one thinks it's going unnoticed? Doesn't really sound good. "Hey, look at the bandwagoning! Meh, don't think anyone's scummy. Just pointing it out so no one thinks it's not noticed." Why bother?
PPE AGAIN!: ...and there go those questions. Bleh. I should really stop pacing in the middle of my responses.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 20, 2011, 08:48:44 pm
Mr.Person, what's your opinion of Zrk2?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 20, 2011, 08:49:15 pm
Eh, I guess there's nothing to lose, unless he has some crazy ability involving unvoting.
Unvote.
Well, Ottofar, nothing seems to be happening.Yeah. You tell Ottofar he shouldn't expect anyone to unvote. You then unvote after Jim tells you to. You then... revote for reasons known only to yourself. I also can't find any votes of yours where you're actually trying to find scum, Zrk2.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 20, 2011, 09:14:07 pm
Since it seems to have come up, how about you guys tell me what my meta is, I'd like to know as I'm not self-aware enough to pick it up myself.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 20, 2011, 09:40:32 pm
I didn't ignore it; you still haven't explained why one quip was all you could bother with. Even if your goal was just to call attention to it, why not actually say something about it?1. Because I was also playing a video game at the time. And like I've already said before, it served the purpose it was meant to.
On that note, why were you calling attention to it? You say you don't really find anyone on it scummy, and you haven't bothered to explain why it's dangerous or otherwise a bad idea, so what is it? Just warning scum away from doing something obvious? What's the function here?
You've also failed to explain why what everyone else thinks of Person is necessary for you to have a non-OMGUS opinion on him.
2. Like I said before this, I wanted to point it out so that no one thought it was going unnoticed. For one thing, just because I don't think the people on it are scum doesn't mean they aren't, so I don't actually see how I did anything you wouldn't think is Town.
3. Sorry, I don't actually...follow. Could you explain that?
Jack: Um, what? I did vote. I originally didn't think he was all that scummy, but after his next post I decided that he was. No one but me and him involved.
Any of my observations are also capable of being attacks. It's Mafia, for Heaven's sake. Trust no one and attack everyone, that's the way to play.
Post by: Jack A T on March 20, 2011, 09:46:17 pm
Jack: Um, what? I did vote. I originally didn't think he was all that scummy, but after his next post I decided that he was. No one but me and him involved.
It was more your original "he's on my radar now but I want to see what other people think of you" bit than your later vote that I was commenting on.
Post by: breadbocks on March 20, 2011, 10:03:58 pm
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 20, 2011, 10:57:09 pm
I didn't think Mr.Person was scummy for his post (that part came later). However, I felt like his almost-defense of the bandwagon would draw out at least one of the scum, and I was meaning to look at other peoples' responses to what he had to say.
I uh, I kind of see what that looks like now. :I
Anyway, other parts that stood out to you?
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 20, 2011, 11:14:29 pm
Mr. Person: Why did you suddenly forget about Jim?
Post by: Darvi on March 21, 2011, 02:38:20 am
Well, the Otto-plan. I don't know if abilities being known helps if the night gets reversed.
A power you don't know is, however, in a state of quantum indecision, and may have its effects altered by random chance. This can be beneficial or harmful. By contrast, a known ability will always function exactly as advertised.I don't know wether the "known"-status of an ability carries over to the reversed day. because if it doesn't, knowing or not knowing doesn't make a difference since the ability might do something else anyway. I'm all in favor for this plan but I dunno if wasting a one-shot on a possible waste of time is worth it. Still, it does count as a Xanatos gambit so... unvote Ottofar. My vote was on him right?
Pandar: would an ability still count as known if the night got reversed?
Ottofar: Why does it matter if Toaster is mafia-ally?
Well, vote Joker. If you think Person is scummy then vote for him man. Also
Anyway, other parts that stood out to you?asking for scumtells?
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 21, 2011, 02:43:24 am
Post by: Darvi on March 21, 2011, 03:01:45 am
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 21, 2011, 03:12:21 am
Damn, you guys posted more over the weekend than I expected.
Well, the Otto-plan. I don't know if abilities being known helps if the night gets reversed.A power you don't know is, however, in a state of quantum indecision, and may have its effects altered by random chance. This can be beneficial or harmful. By contrast, a known ability will always function exactly as advertised.I don't know wether the "known"-status of an ability carries over to the reversed day. because if it doesn't, knowing or not knowing doesn't make a difference since the ability might do something else anyway. I'm all in favor for this plan but I dunno if wasting a one-shot on a possible waste of time is worth it. Still, it does count as a Xanatos gambit so... unvote Ottofar. My vote was on him right?
Pandar: would an ability still count as known if the night got reversed?
Ottofar: Why does it matter if Toaster is mafia-ally?
Well, vote Joker. If you think Person is scummy then vote for him man. AlsoAnyway, other parts that stood out to you?asking for scumtells?
Dude, are you fucking retarded? I am voting for him, and have been for several posts. How about you read the thread?
And yes, I suppose that's what that is. Now tell me, what exactly is suspicious about asking someone to explain why they're voting you? In fact, why are you voting for me? You come out of nowhere to unvote while claiming that you don't really support his plan so that you can throw a vote on me, with absolutely no reasoning at all, in what seems like an afterthought? No, fuck that noise. Unvote Mr.Person, vote Darvi. Mr.P, you're still near the top of my list, but holy shit does this guy take the cake.
Votecount would be nice too.
Post by: Darvi on March 21, 2011, 03:16:23 am
Post by: Darvi on March 21, 2011, 03:20:22 am
Post by: breadbocks on March 21, 2011, 03:54:56 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 21, 2011, 04:04:31 am
Unvote Mr.Person, vote Darvi.
You're being awfully reactionary, you know.
Not that I disagree with you about anything you've said, but why are you flipping the fuck out at anyone who's voting you?
Post by: Org on March 21, 2011, 05:24:58 am
Post by: Jack A T on March 21, 2011, 11:18:12 am
Why so angry?
Post by: Zrk2 on March 21, 2011, 02:44:37 pm
Unvote, vote Mr. Person. I explained about his tunneling on Jim in a previous post and his recent throwing out accusations without arguments is horrible. Examples in the morning.
Since it seems to have come up, how about you guys tell me what my meta is, I'd like to know as I'm not self-aware enough to pick it up myself.
And here are my reasons for Mr. Person:
He acts aggressive and tries to get people to stop making points, and has been for a while. From previously I noted that:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And as LNCP noted here:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
He continues his attempts to get people to stop talking here:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As well he can be passive about actually scumhunting:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And here:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Worst of all, he doesn't like TvTropes! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArsonMurderAndJaywalking)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 21, 2011, 03:53:32 pm
Supposedly no.Unvote Mr.Person, vote Darvi.
You're being awfully reactionary, you know.
Not that I disagree with you about anything you've said, but why are you flipping the fuck out at anyone who's voting you?
Because really, what the Hell is this? They're attacking me for being "passive" and not scumhunting, and yet...well gosh, I can't find a single reason for their votes. It's infinitely frustrating when no one else seems to notice the hypocrisy here.
Anyway, I think it's pretty clear who my picks are for scum. What about you, Jim? And anyone else that's just lurking the day away?
Post by: Jack A T on March 21, 2011, 04:08:24 pm
Unvote, vote Mr. Person. His attacks on SirBayer were overenthusiastic, horribly flawed, and he basically piggybacked off of Zrk2's arguments. His attacks on Jimbook were conversation-stifling ones that showed a strong dislike of searching for information on the laws (only the scum would benefit from knowing how laws effected scumhunting, apparently. We townies don't need to know how laws effect scumhunting...*grumbles*). His current attacks on Jokerman feel too light for the evidence compared to his earlier attacks.
Jokerman, with his current nervous-looking, angry behaviour and rather passive previous behaviour, is a close second. If Mr. Person turns out to be town, and Ottofar's power works, you'll most likely be the first person I'll vote for tomorrow.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 21, 2011, 04:09:33 pm
What about you, Jim? And anyone else that's just lurking the day away?
Mr.Person, Zrk2, Darvi.
I've already listed why I suspect Mr.Person (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2082795#msg2082795) and Zrk2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2083919#msg2083919). Additionally, Mr.Person hasn't answered my question on what he thinks of Zrk2, since he's been ignoring him completely, and he's been tossing around vehement accusations whenever it's opportunistic. Zrk2's handling of Ottofar is scummy. Namely how he wants to see Ottofar hammered before he can get clarification on his role, and before Ottofar can talk.
Darvi's been hopping between bandwagons. What made me suspicious initially is this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2083016#msg2083016) and then this next one (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2083938#msg2083938). So he votes me based on a misunderstanding, and then after he hears my explanation, and accepts it, doesn't unvote. Nice. He's also been lurking a ton.
Votecount, please. The day's supposed to end today.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 21, 2011, 04:17:17 pm
Zrk2's handling of Ottofar is scummy. Namely how he wants to see Ottofar hammered before he can get clarification on his role, and before Ottofar can talk.
When did I say that? I don't remember anything about attempting to hammer him, but there was that whole fiasco about hammering SirBayer.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 21, 2011, 04:18:50 pm
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 21, 2011, 04:23:48 pm
Post by: Darvi on March 21, 2011, 04:26:18 pm
I have been lurking lately because on Friday I wasn't in a mood for playing due to not feeling well and the weekend is pretty much ok to go for lurking afaik. Was busy and only half awake most of the time.
Also, I hate you guys for posting those huge walls of text that my mind refuses to register during those 3 days.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 21, 2011, 07:35:42 pm
1. Because I was also playing a video game at the time. And like I've already said before, it served the purpose it was meant to.Why? What's the purpose of pointing it out and making sure no one thought it was unnoticed?
2. Like I said before this, I wanted to point it out so that no one thought it was going unnoticed. For one thing, just because I don't think the people on it are scum doesn't mean they aren't, so I don't actually see how I did anything you wouldn't think is Town.
I didn't think Mr.Person was scummy for his post (that part came later). However, I felt like his almost-defense of the bandwagon would draw out at least one of the scum, and I was meaning to look at other peoples' responses to what he had to say.I don't get it. How was this supposed to work? Did it?
Because really, what the Hell is this? They're attacking me for being "passive" and not scumhunting, and yet...well gosh, I can't find a single reason for their votes. It's infinitely frustrating when no one else seems to notice the hypocrisy here.Wanton and repeated passiveness, lack of scumhunting, OMGUSing, and freaking out at being voted don't count as reasons?
Anyway, I think it's pretty clear who my picks are for scum. What about you, Jim? And anyone else that's just lurking the day away?
Extend, if it's ending today. People aren't talking enough.Then lead by example.
Zrk2:
You've been EXTREMELY eager and preoccupied with Ottofar's lynch.
Spoiler: Exhibit A (click to show/hide)
First you don't want to let him get and reveal the info. Then, when Jim calls you on it, you relent and say it couldn't hurt. You then question whether Org's hammer is actually invalid, and suggest nobody else needs to unvote Otto because you already did. When we finally find out what Otto's power is, you shrug and hop back on the wagon. When someone suggests a good use for it, you approve but don't bother to unvote, and then inquire about when the day is ending.
You obviously really wanted Ottofar lynched, and haven't been doing much else. Then when someone calls you on it:
Unvote, vote Mr. Person. I explained about his tunneling on Jim in a previous post and his recent throwing out accusations without arguments is horrible. Examples in the morning.You shift off Ottofar and onto Person. You also ask about your own meta, which strikes me as scum trying to get everyone to tell him how to stop dropping tells.
Since it seems to have come up, how about you guys tell me what my meta is, I'd like to know as I'm not self-aware enough to pick it up myself.
You then elaborate with two enormous quote pyramids, the same quote:
listed under both "attempts to get people to stop talking" and "passive about scumhunting," neither of which really seems accurate, a passive quote mentioning that you are being passive, and a tvtropes link.Boy, it sure is quick-wagon-and-switch in here...
So what are you gonna do about it?
How about giving useful explanations for why Person is scum, instead of meaningless walls of text and poorly-explained garbage?
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 21, 2011, 07:48:38 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 21, 2011, 07:50:39 pm
Unvote, vote Mr. Person. I explained about his tunneling on Jim in a previous post and his recent throwing out accusations without arguments is horrible. Examples in the morning.
Since it seems to have come up, how about you guys tell me what my meta is, I'd like to know as I'm not self-aware enough to pick it up myself.
And here are my reasons for Mr. Person:
He continues his attempts to get people to stop talking here:Jokerman points out that a bandwagon is forming and Mr. Person tries to get him to drop it by essentially asking 'So what?' and treating it like it isn't worth being addressed. Everything is worth addressing, trying to get events to be ignored can only help the scum.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As well he can be passive about actually scumhunting:He calls out people for being 'passive' without giving any specific examples, and then proceeds to ask two questions with almost no contribution to the discussion.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And here:This also is an example of his passivity, he addresses the claim of a bandwagon, yet doesn't do anything about it despite the fact (implied by his tone) that he thinks pointing it out is scummy.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Worst of all, he doesn't like TvTropes! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArsonMurderAndJaywalking)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 21, 2011, 08:22:33 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on March 21, 2011, 08:27:45 pm
He continues his attempts to get people to stop talking here:Or he was pointing out some of that passiveness you seem to care about. What makes you say he wasn't asking what he was going to do about it in the literal sense?Jokerman points out that a bandwagon is forming and Mr. Person tries to get him to drop it by essentially asking 'So what?' and treating it like it isn't worth being addressed. Everything is worth addressing, trying to get events to be ignored can only help the scum.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As well he can be passive about actually scumhunting:He did give a specific example: You. He asked why it took you so long to vote someone.He calls out people for being 'passive' without giving any specific examples, and then proceeds to ask two questions with almost no contribution to the discussion.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And here:Quit changing your story. Was he trying to dismiss the conversation or call Joker out as scum for it? Was he trying to get Joker to drop it or not doing anything about it?This also is an example of his passivity, he addresses the claim of a bandwagon, yet doesn't do anything about it despite the fact (implied by his tone) that he thinks pointing it out is scummy.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You also seem to be admitting that your previous walls of text were absolutely worthless, and haven't addressed your peculiar attempts at Ottofar.
We need a votecount more than we need an extension.Also this. Don't make me attach conditionals to my vote, Pandar.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on March 21, 2011, 09:02:17 pm
1. If scum were involved in the bandwagon, then I didn't want them to think it was unnoticed. If they weren't, I didn't want them thinking they could slip in on it. If it was only town and they didn't realize, then I wanted to point it out. I still don't see how that's actually scummy at all, so if you could explain that I would be grateful.
2. I was answering someone's (don't recall who) question about how I was apparently "waiting for people's opinions" before voting Mr.Person, and then the post you quoted was my explanation. I didn't think he was scummy until after, but I felt like conversing with him and pointing out a few things while I was there would stimulate conversation. Which uh, doesn't seem to be working too hot. I feel like I'm only talking to the same three people. >:(
3. So you're going to say that I'm still being passive and not scumhunting, despite the fact that I've leveled accusations against my list of suspicions while others (Darvi) have simply voted me without reasons? Because I'm pretty sure that's being hypocritical. I also explained why the attacks on me were bullshit, and saying "Oh you were freaking out" is retarded because I've explained multiple times why their votes were bullshit and cause for alarm.
4. Lead by example? I think I have the most posts over the last three days, and you've been gone (granted it was the weekend, but still). So explain what that's supposed to mean.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 21, 2011, 09:46:22 pm
And his first quote of that post was selfquoting an already incoherent mess where he just quoted a bunch of Mr.Person's posts and pulls a random conclusion out of thin air. Oh, except this time he also accuses Mr.Person of being "aggressive". Damn, major scumtell there.
For the passivity allegation, you cite something which could possibly be seen as a bit passive... then another question to Jokerman asking him to elaborate on something. Damn, to Zrk2, it seems that pressing for more info is the worst thing you can do.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 21, 2011, 09:51:05 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 21, 2011, 10:04:47 pm
Darvi - 1 - Jokerman-EXE
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 1 - Org
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 3 - Ottofar Jim_Groovester Leafsnail
lordnincompoop - 0
Jim Groovester - 0
Jack A T - 0
Org - 0
Jokerman-EXE - 3 - Mr.Person IronyOwl Darvi
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 0
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 3 - lordnincompoop Zrk2 Jack_A_T
This day is governed by the Laws:
Conditional: A Grave Mis-Stake
State: Xanatos Goals
Day ends Monday at 11 PM Pacific, barring extensions.
At 13 players alive, hammers require 7 votes, Extensions require 3 votes, and Shortens require 5.
2 Extension votes heard: Ottofar, Jokerman-EXE
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 21, 2011, 10:09:43 pm
To avoid a no lynch I'll unvote Zrk2 and vote Mr.Person.
Post by: Jack A T on March 21, 2011, 10:14:21 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 21, 2011, 10:36:24 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on March 21, 2011, 10:52:46 pm
1. If scum were involved in the bandwagon, then I didn't want them to think it was unnoticed. If they weren't, I didn't want them thinking they could slip in on it. If it was only town and they didn't realize, then I wanted to point it out. I still don't see how that's actually scummy at all, so if you could explain that I would be grateful.There's no apparent way it leads to catching scum. Letting scum know they can't hop on the bandwagon without being noticed, in fact, sounds like the opposite of that, because you're giving them advance warning.
Perhaps more importantly, you hardly did anything with it. You didn't make any effort to find out if some of bandwagon was scum, for instance, you just pointed at it and then left.
2. I was answering someone's (don't recall who) question about how I was apparently "waiting for people's opinions" before voting Mr.Person, and then the post you quoted was my explanation. I didn't think he was scummy until after, but I felt like conversing with him and pointing out a few things while I was there would stimulate conversation. Which uh, doesn't seem to be working too hot. I feel like I'm only talking to the same three people. >:(Right, but you said Person's semi-defense of the bandwagon would draw out scum. I'm curious how exactly you thought that would work.
Also, you're only talking to the same three people because you're only talking to the three people who jumped on you.
3. So you're going to say that I'm still being passive and not scumhunting, despite the fact that I've leveled accusations against my list of suspicions while others (Darvi) have simply voted me without reasons? Because I'm pretty sure that's being hypocritical. I also explained why the attacks on me were bullshit, and saying "Oh you were freaking out" is retarded because I've explained multiple times why their votes were bullshit and cause for alarm.Your "list of suspicions" is the list of people attacking you, full stop. Doing nothing but OMGUSing is not really scumhunting.
As for Darvi, the word you're looking for is "inconsistent." It's only hypocritical if I'm doing it.
In any case, Darvi had a semi-decent excuse, so the lurking didn't bother me. You're correct that he hasn't exactly been a star player, but that's not especially unusual this game.
As for the attacks, no. You've said "That's not scummy, how is that scummy?" to most of them, but you haven't really provided good reasons for your wanton passiveness and OMGUSing. Case in point, "Their attacks are bullshit" is not a cause for alarm, at least for a townie.
4. Lead by example? I think I have the most posts over the last three days, and you've been gone (granted it was the weekend, but still). So explain what that's supposed to mean.Really? Please provide who your suspects were prior to the bandwagon incident; if you've had the most posts (by which I assume you mean content), you should have no trouble pointing to the fruits of said labor.
In any case, you're complaining about there not being enough conversation, but doing nothing to start any. You're responding to attacks against you, yes, but you're not starting anything new, investigating anything unbidden, or otherwise making the game livelier; you're simply stating that you'd like it to be.
NativeForeigner, you haven't voted yet. Who are you going to?Why do you prefer Person to Zrk2? What's wrong with a Joker lynch?
To avoid a no lynch I'll unvote Zrk2 and vote Mr.Person.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 21, 2011, 10:59:34 pm
Mr.Person, Zrk2, Darvi.
Note Jokerman-EXE's absence from this list.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 21, 2011, 11:00:03 pm
I hate to do this, but Person's probably third on my preferred list, and I do think there's room for a bit more discussion.
If nothing else, we can shorten as soon as we've decided otherwise.
Post by: Jack A T on March 21, 2011, 11:01:47 pm
Allow me to refer you to my list of suspects:Mr.Person, Zrk2, Darvi.
Note Jokerman-EXE's absence from this list.
Pardon me, but wasn't Irony asking why you have these opinions, not what your opinions are?
Post by: IronyOwl on March 21, 2011, 11:03:37 pm
Allow me to refer you to my list of suspects:I see. What do you make of the incident surrounding him, then?Mr.Person, Zrk2, Darvi.
Note Jokerman-EXE's absence from this list.
Also, why is Person higher than Zrk2? How does Darvi compare?
Spoiler: Also Offtopic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 21, 2011, 11:06:56 pm
Darvi - 1 - Jokerman-EXE
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 1 - Org
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 2 - Ottofar Leafsnail
lordnincompoop - 0
Jim Groovester - 0
Jack A T - 0
Org - 0
Jokerman-EXE - 3 - Mr.Person IronyOwl Darvi
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 0
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 4 - lordnincompoop Zrk2 Jack_A_T Jim_Groovester
This day is governed by the Laws:
Conditional: A Grave Mis-Stake
State: Xanatos Goals
Day ends Wednesday at 11 PM Pacific, barring further extensions.
At 13 players alive, hammers require 7 votes, Extensions require 3 votes, and Shortens require 5.
3 votes for extension. Day extended to 11 PM Pacific on Wednesday.
IronyOwl: Cute. D:< But I moved it to 11 to give people time.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 21, 2011, 11:08:34 pm
This is what I just said. I think Zrk2 is scummier than Mr.Person but they're both scum to me.
Pardon me, but wasn't Irony asking why you have these opinions, not what your opinions are?
You're pardoned.
I see. What do you make of the incident surrounding him, then?
I think the only thing he's guilty of is flipping the fuck out. Everything he's said I pretty much agree with.
Now that the extension's gone through I don't need to make sure a no lynch doesn't happen.
Unvote Mr.Person, vote Zrk2.
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 22, 2011, 12:09:40 am
Mr. Person.
I had a hard time deciding between the three, but Mr. Person seems scummier than Jokerman who seems scummier than Zrk2.
I don't really feel like doing a complete rehash of the case against Person because it'll just be redundant. So I'll just tell you what made up my mind.
While Jokerman was indeed being passive, Mr. Person forgetting about Jim caught my attention more than Joker's passiveness did. Furthermore, when Zrk2 didn't vote Jokerman, which would have probably gotten Joker lynched, it made me reconsider his scumminess (though his recent posts are confusing at best). So basically, Person's "forgetfulness" and Zrk2 not taking the expected scum path make Person the most likely to be scum.
Post by: Ottofar on March 22, 2011, 09:48:09 am
Post by: Zrk2 on March 22, 2011, 04:20:30 pm
NativeForeigner, you haven't voted yet. Who are you going to?
To avoid a no lynch I'll unvote Zrk2 and vote Mr.Person.
There was a tie and I'm doing it to avoid a no lynch.
This is what I just said. I think Zrk2 is scummier than Mr.Person but they're both scum to me.Pardon me, but wasn't Irony asking why you have these opinions, not what your opinions are?
You're pardoned.I see. What do you make of the incident surrounding him, then?
I think the only thing he's guilty of is flipping the fuck out. Everything he's said I pretty much agree with.
Now that the extension's gone through I don't need to make sure a no lynch doesn't happen.
Unvote Mr.Person, vote Zrk2.
Jim, why are you throwing your vote around with only the weakest of pretexts, this carelessness with your vote says that you do not care about it, indicating that you are scum.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 22, 2011, 05:05:11 pm
First, I never said it was a "scumwagon," mostly because I don't think that the people of the wagon are all that scummy. Ottofar was near the top of my list, but his recent posts have allayed a lot of my suspicions, and Jim/Jack weren't all that high on my list to begin with. Jack has moved higher, but again, I don't think he's scum just yet.
So there's no point at all, then. If you're not willing to scumhunt them, why should anybody else? This is just pure laziness and passiveness, not good qualities for a townie. Specifically, you're trying to get others to do your scumhunting for you, a major scum tell.
Think of it this way. If your goal is to get everyone to notice that the wagon is happening, wouldn't it make sense to also question the people involved? Now not only are you keeping potentially scummy (but not actually scummy, according to you) behavior in the spotlight, you're also determining if it's actually scummy or not. But no, it clearly makes more sense to just point out potentially scummy behavior and do nothing. Don't determine if it's actually scummy or not. Don't determine if it's a scumwagon or not. Just point it out and lurk away! That's a great way for the scum to win. Not sure how that would help a townie catch the scum, though. So either you're the worst townie ever or a fairly clever scum. Since I know you, I'm gonna go with the scum.
And then you fly to defend yourself when I point out your absence. Two whole paragraphs, ending in a vote, just because I pointed out the fact that you were gone when people were attacking you, but not when they're looking at someone else? Really? I wasn't even attacking you, just pointing out an observation. That's pretty suspicious. In addition, you haven't even said a single word to me all game, and then somehow, despite the arguments you've already made and the suspicions you've already said you have, you think I'm scummy enough to vote, as soon as you realize that your vote on Jim was garbage that no one believed? I find that pretty interesting, given that you said yourself that a townie should "use the tools the town has to stop scum," which means that either your suspicions were garbage and you don't believe them to be true, or you're just attacking me in a terribly-thought-out OMGUS.
I actually specifically did not defend myself, I attacked you for the bullshit WAY you attacked me. Your actual argument is fair. I was in fact gone Saturday, most of Sunday, and I think most of Friday. If you'd like to question me about that, feel free, but your case seems to be that I was gone so therefore I'm scum. Or perhaps you're disregarding how passive you're being, I dunno. But then you'd just be delusional.
And the first paragraph is about you, not me. I know you're not stupid enough to misread me that badly, so you're intentionally trying to deflect away from yourself onto something that seems scummy. Too bad for you OMGUS isn't a scumtell or even really applicable here since you didn't vote me until later.
So what would you have done, Person? Given the same situation as me, would you have voted someone you didn't think was scummy, just because? Or would you join the wagon? Or what? I'm curious to know, because you seem to know exactly how a good Townie would act. And don't go screaming OMGUS, because at least I have reasons behind my vote.
I would vote the player I thought the most scummy. That sounds absurdly obvious when I say it, doesn't it? If I didn't think anybody was scummy enough to vote but I saw the wagon, I'd scumhunt somebody in the wagon. The reason you're scum is that you chose not to do that and instead tried to get others to see the wagon as scummy without saying you thought they were. Passive, passive, passive.
And now, Mr. Person.
I must wonder how pointing out how the town seems to be overly willing to make and change bandwagons isn't, in a way, discouraging them.
I must also wonder why, with stronger evidence against Jokerman than you had against SirBayer, your attack on Jokerman is so much lighter than your attack was on SirBayer.
Mr. Person, I didn't like your D1 attacks on SirBayer and piggybacking off of Zrk2, I didn't like your dislike of attempting to figure out what the laws are and whether anything related to Org was true today when you were arguing against Jimbook Groovethras, but I'm not ready to vote in this conflict yet, seeing how Jokerman also feels scummy to me. Need more information.
I haven't said anything about the willingness of others to bandwagon AFAIK. Changing votes often is fine as long as they're justified.
What specifically did you not like about my SirBayer attack? I also did not piggyback off Zrk2. I don't even know when he voted or what his argument was. I do remember making the SirBayer case and that one was definetely not influenced by other people.
I note that you need more information but don't actually throw any questions towards me. Why might that be?
It's like a catfight just erupted in here.
Mr.Person, what's your opinion of Zrk2?
I don't have one. At all. Nothing he's said has rung alarm bells. That doesn't mean anything, I'm just not looking for scum that hard anymore.
Although looking at it now, he does seem to be changing votes with shitty reasons a lot. Definetely moving into the next player I'll question when I need new scumpicks.
Unvote, vote Mr. Person. I explained about his tunneling on Jim in a previous post and his recent throwing out accusations without arguments is horrible. Examples in the morning.
Since it seems to have come up, how about you guys tell me what my meta is, I'd like to know as I'm not self-aware enough to pick it up myself.
The only people who should care about their own meta are scum. Townies have more important things to do like catch scum. So why do you care about your own meta so much?
Um, wow.
Mr. Person: Why did you suddenly forget about Jim?
Who said I did? He's still scum, Jokerman just jumped ahead as the scummiest. Admittably I have a problem with changing my vote around a bit too much, but this case I think it's justified. I'm more sure of Jokerman than I am of Jim. Another reason I must admit to be true is that Jim had no votes coming in from anyone else and obviously wasn't being lynched. Now I could make a case on him and try to sway votes, but Jim's been very reasonable and hasn't been as passive as Book was. I also can't really question Jim about things Book did since they're different people. So Jim's not looking likely to get lynched, even if I did make a giant push against him. Jokerman might get the support if my attack is good, so I don't have any reason to stay on Jim. But Jokerman might actually get lynched, which would be good. I'd say it's a good idea to swap my vote over. And if Jim does something scummy or whatever, yeah, I'd gladly change my vote back over. While it is an either-or situation, that's only because I can only vote one at a time. But there's nothing saying only one of them can be scum, so there's no harm from switching over since I'm pretty sure about both of them. I'm just ever so slightly more sure about Jokerman, and Jokerman will be a much easier sell to the rest of the town.
Dude, are you fucking retarded? I am voting for him, and have been for several posts. How about you read the thread?
And yes, I suppose that's what that is. Now tell me, what exactly is suspicious about asking someone to explain why they're voting you? In fact, why are you voting for me? You come out of nowhere to unvote while claiming that you don't really support his plan so that you can throw a vote on me, with absolutely no reasoning at all, in what seems like an afterthought? No, fuck that noise. Unvote Mr.Person, vote Darvi. Mr.P, you're still near the top of my list, but holy shit does this guy take the cake.
Votecount would be nice too.
Once again you get violently angry about getting voted. I can actually see the Darvi case here, it's not a bad one. Problem is, this is like the third time you've voted a player who voted you. It's looking like you're just reactive and defensive. You must admit, all this attacking of the people attacking you can be construed as defensive, correct?
@Zrk2: I'm not quoting that post with all the spoilers. Way too much work to strip that down to something manageable considering you dumped a bunch of unrelated quotes in there from a post of another bunch of unrelated quotes dumped together for no reason. Good work on constructing the worst post I've ever seen. Please improve ASAP. These are all in order with a few of your comments skipped. If you want me to quote your posts, clean them up first.
I do try to get people to stop talking if that talking is bad for them. And this shit was since it's pure Grade A WIFOM caused by talking with Org. It's completely preventable by not talking to Org. It's completely useless since Org has nothing to offer the town. It's completely stupid since Org is confirmed Jester. So I'm trying to figure out why anybody would spread WIFOM like that. Worst part is, Book and Jim were questioning Org at the expense of scumhunting anybody else. Now, why would a townie use ALL their time scumhunting a player whose alignment is already known? That makes no sense. Feel free to figure out the laws, just not from Org. Everything Org says is a lie or a calculated truth designed to look like a lie.
You don't see a problem with scumhunting a player whose alignment is already known? Are you a complete idiot or just not thinking this through?
Some scum are active, yes, but no townies are passive.
Nothing's preventing Org from being helpful besides his role? What? It's too bad that he has NO REASON WHATSOEVER TO HELP THE TOWN since we have NO REASON WHATSOEVER TO HELP HIM! Why should Org help us since we're going to backstab him first chance we get. And in any case, are you willing to risk that a known non-town aligned player is telling the truth "just because"? His role may not make him lie, but it doesn't make him tell the truth. That's enough to make him untrustworthy.
I have looked at other people, I just don't see anything in any of them. I may be doing that, yes, but that's how I scumhunt. That's my style. That's not Jim's style. That's definetely not Book's style. I hold two different standards because we're two different people who act differently and do things differently. And besides, I'm not voting myself and certainly not dropping a valid attack just because it can also apply to me if somebody so chooses since then I'm not using every resource available to lynch scum. And I know I'm not scum, so I'm sure as hell not voting myself. I don't get the point here.
Let me rephrase that statement for you since I can see now how it could be confusing: "You're trying to acquire dubious information at the expense of scumhunting (which would) get accurate, always useful information."
Asking Jokerman what he was gonna do about it was actually my way of getting him to continue talking and START a conversation. Your claim I was stifling discussion is ridiculous.
Reread, voting.
Unvote, vote Mr. Person. His attacks on SirBayer were overenthusiastic, horribly flawed, and he basically piggybacked off of Zrk2's arguments. His attacks on Jimbook were conversation-stifling ones that showed a strong dislike of searching for information on the laws (only the scum would benefit from knowing how laws effected scumhunting, apparently. We townies don't need to know how laws effect scumhunting...*grumbles*). His current attacks on Jokerman feel too light for the evidence compared to his earlier attacks.
Jokerman, with his current nervous-looking, angry behaviour and rather passive previous behaviour, is a close second. If Mr. Person turns out to be town, and Ottofar's power works, you'll most likely be the first person I'll vote for tomorrow.
"Overenthusiastic"? What, do you want me to not vote for scum? I did not piggyback off Zrk2, his arguments held no sway over my vote of SirBayer. In fact, Zrk2's argrument was that defending Org is incorrect because Org was being scummy while my argument was that defending Org is incorrect because Org has only spouted nulltells and you have no reason to defend someone spouting nulltells. Those are different. Similar, but different.
The laws probably don't have an impact on scumhunting or voting, but feel free to figure out what they are. I will caution you that if anybody DOES know, they either don't want to tell or know something the scum REALLY shouldn't know. So if anybody does know, they obviously don't want to talk, and it's possible that silent person is a townie. And that's assuming somebody does know. I find it entirely possible that nobody gets told the exact rules of certain laws. I find law-hunting to be a total waste of time. But again, if you want to search for the laws, go ahead, just don't do it at the expense of scumhunting like Book did.
I love how you also immediately set up a chain-lynch on me then Jokerman and only look at the most immediate targets available to you. Your top scumpicks are two people you don't think are on a team together. So then why would you attack BOTH of us? Yeah, vote me or whatever, that's fine. But you can't then turn around and also claim Jokerman is likely scum. It doesn't work that way. We can't both be scum, so pick the one of us that's scummier. That other player is your read of a townie. Unless you think we're on a scumteam together, of course, but based on what you've said I don't think you think that's the case.
Long story short, grow a pair and focus on the scummiest player the most. Don't set up chainlynches, it's only correct to do so if it's role-related reasons. Don't try to pass suspicion on a player you think is more likely to be townie than scum. These things are all bad play. Now, are they mistakes or malicious scummy actions?
Irony:
1. If scum were involved in the bandwagon, then I didn't want them to think it was unnoticed. If they weren't, I didn't want them thinking they could slip in on it. If it was only town and they didn't realize, then I wanted to point it out. I still don't see how that's actually scummy at all, so if you could explain that I would be grateful.
Pointing out a nulltell and doing nothing about it is practically speaking the same thing as going unnoticed. And if you thought somebody WAS trying to vote unnoticed, why, that would be a major scumtell. So again, what you're saying is that you thought a scumwagon might be forming and A)did nothing to make sure it was or was not a scumwagon and B)did nothing to stop the scum involved on the wagon or get them lynched. It seems like you were more interested in just stopping the votes than finding out if the votes came from scum or not. Would you say that's reasonable to say?
Jim, why are you throwing your vote around with only the weakest of pretexts, this carelessness with your vote says that you do not care about it, indicating that you are scum.
That's a fair reason for Jim to change a vote around since I certainly would rather get lynched than have no lynch at all.
Post by: Org on March 22, 2011, 05:10:43 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on March 22, 2011, 05:49:53 pm
Everything he's said I pretty much agree with.I see. Could you please explain why you agree with each of the following?
Spoiler: Ye List (click to show/hide)
GUYS GUYS I AM THE SCUM IT IS ME.No Org, you are the townies.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 22, 2011, 06:25:39 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on March 22, 2011, 06:38:24 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 22, 2011, 06:39:24 pm
I haven't said anything about the willingness of others to bandwagon AFAIK. Changing votes often is fine as long as they're justified.Willingness of others to bandwagon: I was referring to your having said that Jokerman was in no way discouraging the bandwagoning. Then things got tangled up in PPEs.
What specifically did you not like about my SirBayer attack? I also did not piggyback off Zrk2. I don't even know when he voted or what his argument was. I do remember making the SirBayer case and that one was definetely not influenced by other people.
I note that you need more information but don't actually throw any questions towards me. Why might that be?
Lack of questions towards you: The person I really needed information on was Jokerman. His behaviour was stupid, as you know, and quite scummy, as you know. However, I hadn't seen much of him at all.
"I don't even know when he voted or what his argument was.": BULLSHIT.
You might as well not even talk to me anymore SirBayer, I have never been more convinced of anyone's scuminess. The only reasons you have to defend another player right now have been stated quite well by Zrk2. You're scum defending scum or scum buddying a non-scum. There are no other options. If you were a townie, you wouldn't have anything to make you so sure of Org's towniness because all he's dropped are nulltells and scumtells.
You were completely aware of Zrk2's arguments. Completely aware.
"Overenthusiastic"? What, do you want me to not vote for scum?...That is not what I meant by "overenthusiastic". I meant how you were somehow convinced, without a doubt, that there was no way that SirBayer could be town, and that there was essentially nothing he could say to convince you that he was town, because...he defended Org and Zrk2 said something about that meaning he was scum no matter what.
I want you to vote for scum. I don't want you to vote for townies based on evidence that even the person whose argument you were explicitly copying eventually had to admit was stupid and horribly flawed, and I definitely don't want you to do that and be impossible to get off of the townies.
I did not piggyback off Zrk2, his arguments held no sway over my vote of SirBayer. In fact, Zrk2's argrument was that defending Org is incorrect because Org was being scummy while my argument was that defending Org is incorrect because Org has only spouted nulltells and you have no reason to defend someone spouting nulltells. Those are different. Similar, but different.
Let me summarize both Zrk2's arguments and your arguments against SirBayer:
*Zrk2: There is no possible way that Org could be anything but town or scum. Org's being extremely useless, and SirBayer is defending Org. Therefore, SirBayer must be scum defending town or scum defending scum (to Zrk2's credit, he later gave up on this stupid argument). Thus, SirBayer is scum.
*Mr. Person: There is no possible way that Org could be anything but town or scum. Org's being extremely useless, and SirBayer is defending Org. Therefore, based on what Zrk2 said, SirBayer is scum without a doubt. So much so that he shouldn't even bother arguing. Oh, and he didn't deny one of my assumptions on his thoughts about Org, and therefore is scum. Oh, and he was confused by a line from the start of your first points against SirBayer, and thus must be scum.
The laws probably don't have an impact on scumhunting or voting, but feel free to figure out what they are. I will caution you that if anybody DOES know, they either don't want to tell or know something the scum REALLY shouldn't know. So if anybody does know, they obviously don't want to talk, and it's possible that silent person is a townie. And that's assuming somebody does know. I find it entirely possible that nobody gets told the exact rules of certain laws. I find law-hunting to be a total waste of time. But again, if you want to search for the laws, go ahead, just don't do it at the expense of scumhunting like Book did.
I must say, I hugely prefer this position on laws to your earlier "nobody but scum could find knowledge of laws useful" position, but it doesn't invalidate the fact that you had the weird "nobody but scum could find knowledge of laws useful" position earlier.
I love how you also immediately set up a chain-lynch on me then Jokerman and only look at the most immediate targets available to you. Your top scumpicks are two people you don't think are on a team together. So then why would you attack BOTH of us? Yeah, vote me or whatever, that's fine. But you can't then turn around and also claim Jokerman is likely scum. It doesn't work that way. We can't both be scum, so pick the one of us that's scummier. That other player is your read of a townie. Unless you think we're on a scumteam together, of course, but based on what you've said I don't think you think that's the case.
I'm in an odd situation. The two players acting the scummiest at the moment, in my eyes, are not likely to be partners. There is the possibility of bussing, but I doubt it. I find it hard to see what's wrong with attacking both of you when both of you are being quite scummy, but oh well. I'm a townie. My job is to attack those who are scummy. And how can't you both be scum? Ever heard of bussing? You're not likely to both be scum, but you could be. All in all, I'll attack those who I see as scummy. Why? Because I should.
Long story short, grow a pair and focus on the scummiest player the most. Don't set up chainlynches, it's only correct to do so if it's role-related reasons. Don't try to pass suspicion on a player you think is more likely to be townie than scum. These things are all bad play. Now, are they mistakes or malicious scummy actions?Chainlynches: I have role-related reasons.
Passing suspicion on Jokerman: He's the person I see as being second most likely as scum. When making scumpicks, I base my picks on the information I have at the time of the picking, and leave the information that I would gain from my picks actually being scum for when they're lynched.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 22, 2011, 06:53:56 pm
Townie. I did this one pretty good. I caught a scum or two, just not til it was too late. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=77045.525)
Townie, although the setup is a bit on the complicated side. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68954.0)
Townie again. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68920.0)
I was scum this game and got lynched real fast. I still won due to the umm... "expert" advice I gave my beginner scumbuddy who crushed the rest of the game. Go team? Not really. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=70481.0)
I was a jester here, but I wouldn't take much stock in this one. If you look for the first third party, I was also a jester there and was much sneakier. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65002.225)
I'm not looking beyond that. If you want to, go right ahead, but that's all I've got right now.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 22, 2011, 07:04:14 pm
Post by: Org on March 22, 2011, 07:08:23 pm
I am Bi-Winning, and I have Tiger Blood.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 22, 2011, 07:09:37 pm
Jim, why are you throwing your vote around with only the weakest of pretexts, this carelessness with your vote says that you do not care about it, indicating that you are scum.He voted to avoid a No Lynch. He then reverted that vote after an extension made it clear there wouldn't be a no lynch in the immediate future. Much like with the rest of the bullshit you're throwing out, I don't see your case.
I'd like you to explain why the quotes you used in your earlier posts are anything other than random bullshit, please.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 22, 2011, 07:36:53 pm
His language is aggressive and speaks in a way that says that what he is saying is not worth saying.Boy, it sure is quick-wagon-and-switch in here...
So what are you gonna do about it?
I can't really think straight since it's hot. I'd ask some questions at Zrk, but I'm not in the mood right now. Ugh. I see passiveness and laziness in certain people (which includes me, by the way) and I'm not liking where this takes the game in the long term. First question, Ottofar, are you there? Second question, Zrk, why did it take this long for you to vote someone? Third, can we get a votecount, please?Yet he acts passive here out of sheer laziness, which he just denounced!
Or would you rather I say that again? I really don't know what else you want, I have made my case, and no matter how much I try and explain it you say it isn't good enough.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 22, 2011, 08:44:33 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or he was pointing out some of that passiveness you seem to care about. What makes you say he wasn't asking what he was going to do about it in the literal sense?
As well he can be passive about actually scumhunting:He did give a specific example: You. He asked why it took you so long to vote someone.He calls out people for being 'passive' without giving any specific examples, and then proceeds to ask two questions with almost no contribution to the discussion.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And here:Quit changing your story. Was he trying to dismiss the conversation or call Joker out as scum for it? Was he trying to get Joker to drop it or not doing anything about it?This also is an example of his passivity, he addresses the claim of a bandwagon, yet doesn't do anything about it despite the fact (implied by his tone) that he thinks pointing it out is scummy.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You also seem to be admitting that your previous walls of text were absolutely worthless, and haven't addressed your peculiar attempts at Ottofar.
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You still haven't addressed this.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 22, 2011, 09:05:06 pm
Jim, why are you throwing your vote around with only the weakest of pretexts, this carelessness with your vote says that you do not care about it, indicating that you are scum.
Mr.Person and Leafsnail beat me to it. I explained what I was doing in the exact same fucking post of mine you quoted.
Care to read the thread, scumfucker?
I see. Could you please explain why you agree with each of the following?
This is completely pointless.
Spoiler: Ye List (click to show/hide)
I have no idea what point you were trying to make.
His list of scum targets and mine coincide on a lot of points, which is why I said I agree with most of everything he said. Did you think I was talking about the way he made his accusations? That's pretty much what you quoted in your post.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 22, 2011, 09:11:34 pm
Irony: I don't see how those quotes indicate that I am claiming my 'walls of text' are worthless, please elaborate. As to dealing with Ottofar, I noted that he was lurking, then he provided a series of short posts, each of which revealed something new, and I reacted each time because I had plenty of time on my hands that day. Had I been more busy I would have only had one or two posts in reaction to this, but all the revelations left my reacting quickly without fully considering implications.
I suggest people look through the thread and pay attention to Mr. Person, does he usually play in this manner as town? It is a very distinctive style.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 22, 2011, 09:14:10 pm
What part of I changed my vote to avoid a no-lynch is mysterious to you?
Post by: IronyOwl on March 22, 2011, 10:36:07 pm
I have no idea what point you were trying to make.You said you agreed with most everything he said, so I wanted to know why you agreed with his passive pointing at the bandwagon, his insistence there was nothing else he could do about it, his passiveness with Person, his assertion that nobody on the wagon was scummy, his claim that his passive declaration about the wagon served its purpose, his claim that I copied Person's attack, and his insistence that there's not a single reason for anyone to be voting him.
His list of scum targets and mine coincide on a lot of points, which is why I said I agree with most of everything he said. Did you think I was talking about the way he made his accusations? That's pretty much what you quoted in your post.
In retrospect, I probably should have just asked it like that in the first place, though "nothing much to see here," "Meh," and "Dunno didn't read the context" were certainly interesting.
Could you answer my far more eloquent list now?
Irony: I don't see how those quotes indicate that I am claiming my 'walls of text' are worthless, please elaborate.You included them in your first pass, then left them out of subsequent posts and didn't bother to explain them. That seems to indicate that you admit they were worthless in the first place, since you didn't bother to use them again or explain why they weren't useless.
As to dealing with Ottofar, I noted that he was lurking, then he provided a series of short posts, each of which revealed something new, and I reacted each time because I had plenty of time on my hands that day. Had I been more busy I would have only had one or two posts in reaction to this, but all the revelations left my reacting quickly without fully considering implications.That's something at least, but why exactly did you have plenty of time to post but not any to think about it at all? I mean, you considered The Plan good enough to comment on, but didn't think it good enough to not lynch the guy we needed not-lynched for it to work. Why?
I suggest people look through the thread and pay attention to Mr. Person, does he usually play in this manner as town? It is a very distinctive style.Distinctive how? I've played with him before, and haven't noticed anything radically out of the ordinary this game.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 22, 2011, 10:56:16 pm
Could you answer my far more eloquent list now?
Okay, fine.
Spoiler: This is completely pointless. (click to show/hide)
In retrospect, I probably should have just asked it like that in the first place, though "nothing much to see here," "Meh," and "Dunno didn't read the context" were certainly interesting.
I've already said this is completely pointless. You shouldn't read too much into me being passive aggressive.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 22, 2011, 11:02:12 pm
I think you're trying to make too much of an issue about me saying I agree with him on everything. There are a lot of things about Jokerman-EXE I don't really give a flying rat's ass about.
I think he's been doing fine and I think his suspicions are fine too. What more do you want from me?
Post by: IronyOwl on March 23, 2011, 12:44:50 am
Quote
I don't know what you're getting at. If he 1) worries about the apparent wagon forming on Zrk2 and 2) doesn't think the people on it are very scummy, what else is he supposed to do? I think saying that he's watching it is a perfectly acceptable course of action.This is particularly bizarre, also. I'm having trouble figuring out what it could possibly accomplish to let everyone know that the non-scummy bandwagon is being watched for scumminess. Wouldn't, you know, anything have been a better course of action? Staying quiet to let scum hop on, scumhunting those on it to make sure, maybe even just asking someone else what they thought of it? I just don't see how this is the action of a townie trying to do anything.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 23, 2011, 12:58:29 am
I don't think "I agree with him" is really the same as "This doesn't seem unusual for him," which seems to be what you're trying to say you meant. If that is the case, though, what's Zrk2 doing that isn't par the course for him?
I haven't played enough with Zrk2 to know that.
QuoteI don't know what you're getting at. If he 1) worries about the apparent wagon forming on Zrk2 and 2) doesn't think the people on it are very scummy, what else is he supposed to do? I think saying that he's watching it is a perfectly acceptable course of action.This is particularly bizarre, also. I'm having trouble figuring out what it could possibly accomplish to let everyone know that the non-scummy bandwagon is being watched for scumminess. Wouldn't, you know, anything have been a better course of action? Staying quiet to let scum hop on, scumhunting those on it to make sure, maybe even just asking someone else what they thought of it? I just don't see how this is the action of a townie trying to do anything.
Maybe he could've done something more and done things better.
Is he scum because he didn't? No.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 23, 2011, 03:21:36 pm
One or two sentences was all that was required.
What part of I changed my vote to avoid a no-lynch is mysterious to you?
Only that you essentially hold the power of life and death with that vote as the end of the day draws near, and so providing a good explanation would likely be a good idea, once again the casual move of the vote suggests a lack of concern over where your vote is.
I suggest people look through the thread and pay attention to Mr. Person, does he usually play in this manner as town? It is a very distinctive style.Distinctive how? I've played with him before, and haven't noticed anything radically out of the ordinary this game.
I know this is a bad way to describe it but aggressive, more in the sense that he is rude and tries to use force to cow others into not pursuing their lines of reasoning.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 23, 2011, 03:23:28 pm
And you wonder why people suspect you. Or maybe you don't. It doesn't really matter.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 23, 2011, 03:25:10 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 23, 2011, 03:48:43 pm
Get back to me when you don't have your head stuck up your ass.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 23, 2011, 04:50:52 pm
Boy, it sure is quick-wagon-and-switch in here...
And you're accomplishing nothing by saying this.
I think that this new twist puts you on my radar, but I'd rather see what everyone else thinks of your attendance.
Passive (bluh limited vocabulary) and unopinionated. Either you think one way or another. You're waiting for people to respond so you know what you're allowed to say, which is suspicious.
Since it seems to have come up, how about you guys tell me what my meta is, I'd like to know as I'm not self-aware enough to pick it up myself.
"Can you guys tell me how I tend to slip up so I can avoid getting caught this game?"
Dude, are you fucking retarded? I am voting for him, and have been for several posts. How about you read the thread?
And yes, I suppose that's what that is. Now tell me, what exactly is suspicious about asking someone to explain why they're voting you? In fact, why are you voting for me? You come out of nowhere to unvote while claiming that you don't really support his plan so that you can throw a vote on me, with absolutely no reasoning at all, in what seems like an afterthought? No, fuck that noise. Unvote Mr.Person, vote Darvi. Mr.P, you're still near the top of my list, but holy shit does this guy take the cake.
Votecount would be nice too.
Why so angry?
You've no organised train of thought here, and no proper arguments for the vote. Right now, it looks like an OMGUS, and your reasoning (if you can even call it that) is only loosely affiliated with town motives. What makes it even more jarring is that just a post or two up you're displaying a very passive attitude.
Jokerman, what the hell are you doing here?
1. If scum were involved in the bandwagon, then I didn't want them to think it was unnoticed. If they weren't, I didn't want them thinking they could slip in on it. If it was only town and they didn't realize, then I wanted to point it out. I still don't see how that's actually scummy at all, so if you could explain that I would be grateful.
And a snarky comment was all you could come up with?
If you notice something, you push on it and talk about it. That was inadequate.
3. So you're going to say that I'm still being passive and not scumhunting, despite the fact that I've leveled accusations against my list of suspicions while others (Darvi) have simply voted me without reasons? Because I'm pretty sure that's being hypocritical. I also explained why the attacks on me were bullshit, and saying "Oh you were freaking out" is retarded because I've explained multiple times why their votes were bullshit and cause for alarm.
A post and you jumped on them with frightening speed. I think that counts as a jump.
You're alternating between jumpy and passive, as I said. It's very suspicious.
Jim, why are you throwing your vote around with only the weakest of pretexts, this carelessness with your vote says that you do not care about it, indicating that you are scum.
Read the friggin thread. You're coming up with the worst of reasons to be suspicious of someone.
That doesn't mean anything, I'm just not looking for scum that hard anymore.
Oh yeah? then what the hell have you been doing for the game, scumface?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 23, 2011, 08:06:10 pm
Post by: Org on March 23, 2011, 08:13:17 pm
Anyway, herp herp herp derp derp derp.
Lynch me guys I am so cool and cult yay,
Post by: Zrk2 on March 23, 2011, 08:49:08 pm
Obvious jester is obvious herp a derp
Post by: Org on March 23, 2011, 08:49:44 pm
Obvious scum is obvious herp a derpObv scumbud is obv derp a herp
Post by: Jack A T on March 23, 2011, 08:52:48 pm
Thank you.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 23, 2011, 09:00:10 pm
So are you saying Joker's actions are townlike or just not odd for him?I don't think "I agree with him" is really the same as "This doesn't seem unusual for him," which seems to be what you're trying to say you meant. If that is the case, though, what's Zrk2 doing that isn't par the course for him?
I haven't played enough with Zrk2 to know that.
I still don't understand the town thought process that would lead up to it. Do you?QuoteI don't know what you're getting at. If he 1) worries about the apparent wagon forming on Zrk2 and 2) doesn't think the people on it are very scummy, what else is he supposed to do? I think saying that he's watching it is a perfectly acceptable course of action.This is particularly bizarre, also. I'm having trouble figuring out what it could possibly accomplish to let everyone know that the non-scummy bandwagon is being watched for scumminess. Wouldn't, you know, anything have been a better course of action? Staying quiet to let scum hop on, scumhunting those on it to make sure, maybe even just asking someone else what they thought of it? I just don't see how this is the action of a townie trying to do anything.
Maybe he could've done something more and done things better.
Is he scum because he didn't? No.
On that note, what do you think of the fact that he hasn't posted in two days?
Jokerman, you've been missing for two days. Tempting as it must be to just lurk while Zrk2 digs his own grave, I'm going to have to insist that you either show up or die.
You have FAR more important things to be responding to than Org, like why we shouldn't lynch you for spastic, catchphrase-spouting reasons with little to no basis in reality.Obvious jester is obvious herp a derp
Only that you essentially hold the power of life and death with that vote as the end of the day draws near, and so providing a good explanation would likely be a good idea, once again the casual move of the vote suggests a lack of concern over where your vote is.Like this. I really, really want you to explain how this actually means something, and isn't just a pathetic attempt at going through the motions of scumhunting without actually thinking about it.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 23, 2011, 09:11:56 pm
Post by: Org on March 23, 2011, 09:12:18 pm
I mean really.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 23, 2011, 09:14:02 pm
I'm going to change my vote right now.
Post by: Org on March 23, 2011, 09:16:18 pm
The suspense.
Post by: Jack A T on March 23, 2011, 09:16:44 pm
Zrk2Everyone, please just ignore Org.
Thank you.
Post by: IronyOwl on March 23, 2011, 09:28:40 pm
Is there a point to all these questions? Are you getting closer to finding scum by picking apart irrelevant details?I don't think your opinion on another player is an "irrelevant detail," and I don't think asking about specifics is uselessly detail-oriented. If you don't want me asking a bunch of questions, say what you mean to say the first time.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 24, 2011, 12:52:43 am
And it feels like you're trying to maneuver me into a position where you can go "See! He agrees/doesn't deny/has no opinion on some stupid issue! He's scummy!" So naturally I don't really want to answer your questions since I've been perfectly clear about my attitude about Jokerman-EXE from the start and find this whole exercise completely pointless and possibly a trap.
I am good at scumhunting, not townhunting. Why are you making me build a case on why I think somebody is town? That's pointless.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 24, 2011, 01:48:42 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 24, 2011, 02:07:44 pm
You're my third pick. You were the source of the whole "Org must be either scum or town, SirBayer must be scum defending scum or scum defending town because only scum would defend Org" mess from day 1, you stayed on Ottofar for longer than it made sense (agreeing with plans yet still voting for the guy...), and, frankly, I'm not exactly convinced that you are paying attention to the game. Otherwise, you would know that I had picks other than Mr. Person (and that I had actually stated my second pick and reasoning), and that Jim had already given his reasons for voting for Mr. Person at the end above voting for Jokerman (even beyond the no lynch avoidance reason, he'd given his reasons for why he suspected Mr. Person over Jokerman).
Zrk2: Are you actually reading through the thread carefully, or just skimming for anything that looks red?
Post by: Jack A T on March 24, 2011, 02:09:05 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 24, 2011, 02:52:41 pm
But Pandarsenic probably has three midterms and a final or something.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 24, 2011, 03:05:38 pm
Well, let's see...As I stated earlier, my second most likely pick, in my eyes, is Jokerman, for reasons that I gave earlier: he's jumpy, nervous, passive, and such. Not going into much detail here, read my earlier posts.
You're my third pick. You were the source of the whole "Org must be either scum or town, SirBayer must be scum defending scum or scum defending town because only scum would defend Org" mess from day 1, you stayed on Ottofar for longer than it made sense (agreeing with plans yet still voting for the guy...), and, frankly, I'm not exactly convinced that you are paying attention to the game. Otherwise, you would know that I had picks other than Mr. Person (and that I had actually stated my second pick and reasoning), and that Jim had already given his reasons for voting for Mr. Person at the end above voting for Jokerman (even beyond the no lynch avoidance reason, he'd given his reasons for why he suspected Mr. Person over Jokerman).
Zrk2: Are you actually reading through the thread carefully, or just skimming for anything that looks red?
I read the last three pages before posting that, I'm rereading the lot of it now.
Post by: Org on March 24, 2011, 03:28:53 pm
I could just play it the same way, and never get lynched.
Post by: Ottofar on March 24, 2011, 03:41:06 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 24, 2011, 03:43:26 pm
You guys know that by letting me live now as a Supposed Jester, you are letting me do this for every game here on out.
I could just play it the same way, and never get lynched.
But in your other games there would be no confirmation of jestertude.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 24, 2011, 04:11:31 pm
You guys know that by letting me live now as a Supposed Jester, you are letting me do this for every game here on out.
I could just play it the same way, and never get lynched.
Well damn, looks like we're going to have to teach you a lesson then.
I'm going to change my vote right now.
Post by: Zrk2 on March 24, 2011, 04:47:56 pm
Spoiler: List of Notes on players (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 24, 2011, 04:50:28 pm
If one of you tallies up the votes before I'm back and another of you confirms it that would be extraordinarily helpful but I can manage if you don't. <_< It would just be nice.
Post by: Jack A T on March 24, 2011, 04:53:56 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 24, 2011, 05:01:24 pm
Mr. Person (1): NativeForeigner (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2100123#msg2100123)
Previous votecount:
Darvi - 1 - Jokerman-EXE
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 1 - Org
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 3 - Ottofar Jim_Groovester Leafsnail
lordnincompoop - 0
Jim Groovester - 0
Jack A T - 0
Org - 0
Jokerman-EXE - 3 - Mr.Person IronyOwl Darvi
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 0
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 3 - lordnincompoop Zrk2 Jack_A_T
New votecount:
Darvi - 1 - Jokerman-EXE
Leafsnail - 0
Ottofar - 1 - Org
Argembarger - 0
Zrk2 - 3 - Ottofar Jim_Groovester Leafsnail
lordnincompoop - 0
Jim Groovester - 0
Jack A T - 0
Org - 0
Jokerman-EXE - 3 - Mr.Person IronyOwl Darvi
Toaster - 0
IronyOwl - 0
NativeForeigner - 0
Mr.Person - 4 - lordnincompoop Zrk2 Jack_A_T NativeForeigner
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 24, 2011, 05:25:36 pm
I'm going to FoS myself and see if that does anything with the laws at all.
Post by: lordnincompoop on March 24, 2011, 05:43:23 pm
Sorry, busy at the moment. I'm going to declare the day over and lock the votecount, but since I don't have time to actually end it for a while you're free to discuss.
If one of you tallies up the votes before I'm back and another of you confirms it that would be extraordinarily helpful but I can manage if you don't. <_< It would just be nice.
wat
Argembarger:
-Not much doing, seems fairly generic
NativeForeigner:
-Meh, generic play is generic
Elaborate. What is generic play?
Jimbook Groovestras:
-Has already won
Eh?
Post by: Mr.Person on March 24, 2011, 05:59:40 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on March 24, 2011, 07:50:28 pm
Post by: Jack A T on March 24, 2011, 07:54:19 pm
And it's worthwhile to point out that Jokerman quoted Org in his sig?
Post by: NativeForeigner on March 24, 2011, 10:30:52 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on March 24, 2011, 11:03:53 pm
No, but you're picking at irrelevant details about why I don't think Jokerman-EXE is scum.You've been quite clear that you "agree with most everything Jokerman has to say," yes. You've been very opaque as to why. I'm not trying to dredge up every stupid detail I can find, I'm trying to figure out why you think X isn't scummy or why you think Y is a good idea.
And it feels like you're trying to maneuver me into a position where you can go "See! He agrees/doesn't deny/has no opinion on some stupid issue! He's scummy!" So naturally I don't really want to answer your questions since I've been perfectly clear about my attitude about Jokerman-EXE from the start and find this whole exercise completely pointless and possibly a trap.
I am good at scumhunting, not townhunting. Why are you making me build a case on why I think somebody is town? That's pointless.
I also don't see any reason whatsoever why thinking he's town warrants less explanation than thinking he's scum- if you have an opinion, you should be able to explain it. If I said Zrk2 is scummy but refused to go into details, I imagine you'd think something was up. Since you seem to be doing the opposite with Jokerman, I'm inclined to think likewise.
A descriptive list which provides no analysis on anything is a brilliant alternative to actually answering the points against you.
So...Zrk's only observation on Jimbook is a joke from the start of the game?To be honest, he's sort of passed the Noobscum/RiA Event Horizon for me. He fills me with rage, but I'm utterly unconvinced lynching him will do any good.
And it's worthwhile to point out that Jokerman quoted Org in his sig?
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 24, 2011, 11:56:31 pm
Jim: Find anything out?
Nothing yet.
It'll probably happen whenever the day ends. If it ever ends.
You've been quite clear that you "agree with most everything Jokerman has to say," yes. You've been very opaque as to why. I'm not trying to dredge up every stupid detail I can find, I'm trying to figure out why you think X isn't scummy or why you think Y is a good idea.
I also don't see any reason whatsoever why thinking he's town warrants less explanation than thinking he's scum- if you have an opinion, you should be able to explain it. If I said Zrk2 is scummy but refused to go into details, I imagine you'd think something was up. Since you seem to be doing the opposite with Jokerman, I'm inclined to think likewise.
Ah, so you've basically done exactly what I suspected you would. Ask a bunch of stupid questions and find a reason to suspect me. Good on you, IronyOwl.
This is stupid. I'm not going to answer your questions anymore unless I think there's a point.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 25, 2011, 01:46:59 am
A descriptive list which provides no analysis on anything is a brilliant alternative to actually answering the points against you.
It doesn't matter, the day's already over. Learn2read.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 25, 2011, 05:08:51 am
You are ROLE NAME REDACTED (ALIGNMENT INFORMATION REDACTED). Prepare for DESCRIPTION REDACTED
ABILITY NAME REDACTED: ABILITY EFFECT REDACTED
As he was expunged, the facts of his existence vanished like dust, but it seemed in destroying Mr.Person they had made a... grave mis-stake! Ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!...
Night ends Saturday at 9 PM Pacific. Spoiling Spectators do not act tonight. Send all action PMs within the next 30 hours.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 28, 2011, 11:03:38 pm
Secret Ballot is being sent to Spoiling Specs.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 31, 2011, 03:49:02 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 31, 2011, 05:08:48 pm
This day is governed by the Law:
Elmotorcycle
The MAFIA has received an arbitrary, unfair restriction from being haunted: tonight they may not target players they have targeted in the past.
Day ends Monday at 3 PM Pacific.
Post by: Org on March 31, 2011, 05:10:44 pm
Jim.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 31, 2011, 05:13:01 pm
Zrk2 is still scum who should be hanged.
Post by: Org on March 31, 2011, 05:13:31 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 31, 2011, 05:15:04 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on March 31, 2011, 07:25:51 pm
Post by: Ottofar on April 01, 2011, 07:23:45 am
Post by: Tyberix on April 01, 2011, 02:45:48 pm
Spoiler: The Truth Is Out There (click to show/hide)
)So who wants to be spoiled today ?
Post by: lordnincompoop on April 01, 2011, 03:12:30 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 01, 2011, 03:15:04 pm
Behold:
No "deaths" last night, as it were. No, something far more entertaining had just happened.
This day is governed by the Law:
Elmotorcycle
The MAFIA has received an arbitrary, unfair restriction from being haunted: tonight they may not target players they have targeted in the past.Be summonedWE RIDE!
Day ends Monday at 3 PM Pacific.
Post by: Ottofar on April 01, 2011, 03:15:57 pm
Why are you supporting a jester lynch, Zrk2?
Post by: Jack A T on April 01, 2011, 06:28:30 pm
*Zrk2 voting Org: Odd. Zrk2. seeing how Org was pretty much openly announced to be a jester, I think even trying another route to being lynched would be useless, and he probably knows that.
*Ottofar's zombification: Interesting. I'm thinking some scum has a zombifying role. Ottofar, having claimed, and being important to a town plan, is a good scumzombifier target. Ottofar could be lying, though.
*"something far more entertaining had just happened.": I don't like the sound of that.
Ottofar: Overnight?
Post by: IronyOwl on April 01, 2011, 06:31:49 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 01, 2011, 07:07:20 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 01, 2011, 08:07:56 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on April 01, 2011, 09:54:02 pm
Thoughts on current events:
*Zrk2 voting Org: Odd. Zrk2. seeing how Org was pretty much openly announced to be a jester, I think even trying another route to being lynched would be useless, and he probably knows that.
I'm voting him because he is guaranteed non-town, so until I see something better, Org makes for the best target as his lynch can't hurt town.
Zrk2: Why do you want to lynch the jester?
See above.
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 01, 2011, 09:59:33 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 01, 2011, 10:11:56 pm
Note: Org is, in fact, a threat to the town: if he's alive at LYLO, game over.
Post by: Zrk2 on April 01, 2011, 10:20:15 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 01, 2011, 11:12:42 pm
While Org is guaranteed non-town, I'd rather see him killed by pretty much anything but lynching. I don't want him to win this easily, and I feel that lynching the guy would pretty much be a waste of a day.
Note: Org is, in fact, a threat to the town: if he's alive at LYLO, game over.
Well dur, but lynching him will also just push us closer to LYLO.
Post by: SniHjen on April 02, 2011, 01:56:27 am
I believe (but I don't know) that Elmotorcycle is mass-redirection.
all abilities will target something other than the player they targeted.
But this is just speculation.
You might want to do something about everyone involved in the Mr person lynch, preferentially kill them.
Except Lordnincompoop, you might not want to touch him. (at all)
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 02, 2011, 02:19:08 am
There's also no guarantee that you're a reliable source of information, since you only believe (but don't know) things.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 02, 2011, 05:43:35 am
RANDOM LURKING ACCUSATION TO DISCREDIT POINTS AGAINST ME WITHOUT ACTUALLY ADDRESSING THEMYeah, I know.
Post by: Ottofar on April 02, 2011, 08:21:37 am
Ottofar: Overnight?
Yes
Otto: Did you reverse-thingy last night?
No. It was an X-action. I'd have waited until the day start.
Post by: Darvi on April 02, 2011, 08:57:05 am
So zrk2, mind 'splaining these?
Darvi:
-Dohoho funny self vote NAT.
-Is the first person to question the SirBayer-Org defence
-Hopped the SirBayer-Org wagon
Jimbook Groovestras:
-Has already won
Post by: Jack A T on April 02, 2011, 11:27:42 am
Leafsnail, where are you? You have about five posts in eight pages.
"I'm under fire for assorted actions of mine! What should I do? I know! I'll suddenly point at a lurker, after addressing one of the many points against me!"
This really feels like a deflection, Zrk.
Hmm...this would make the zombification an X-Action, if everyone's telling the truth. Interesting.Ottofar: Overnight?
Yes
Post by: Jack A T on April 02, 2011, 11:37:43 am
Post by: Zrk2 on April 02, 2011, 11:44:37 am
So zrk2, mind 'splaining these?Darvi:
-Dohoho funny self vote NAT. You voted for yourself at the beginning, it wasn't funny.
-Is the first person to question the SirBayer-Org defence You were the first person to question Sir Bayer about defending Org.
-Hopped the SirBayer-Org wagon You only voted after it turned into a bandwagon.
Jimbook Groovestras:
-Has already won There were some shenanigans in which Book tried to use an autowin power at the beginning.
Leafsnail, other than me, who are your scumpicks? Why are we only seeing one sentence posts from you?
Spoiler: Examples (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 02, 2011, 01:33:40 pm
How's about you look to Day 2 for all the arguments against you. That's what everybody's voting you on.
Post by: Zrk2 on April 02, 2011, 01:47:27 pm
Post by: Darvi on April 02, 2011, 01:52:40 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 02, 2011, 01:58:33 pm
Leafsnail, other than me, who are your scumpicks? Why are we only seeing one sentence posts from you?I'll post more than one sentence when it's worth posting more than one sentence.
Post by: Jack A T on April 02, 2011, 02:01:52 pm
-Dohoho funny self vote NAT. You voted for yourself at the beginning, it wasn't funny.Question: Are you sure you're reading the same game as the rest of us? Also, is that the best note you can take on Jimbook? Really? And there's a difference between a funny self vote and an explicitly rule-testing self-vote.
Jimbook Groovestras:
-Has already won There were some shenanigans in which Book tried to use an autowin power at the beginning.
Post by: Zrk2 on April 02, 2011, 08:13:43 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on April 03, 2011, 04:22:59 am
Leafsnail, other than me, who are your scumpicks? Why are we only seeing one sentence posts from you?
Spoiler: Examples (click to show/hide)
Org is proving truly ridiculous, I can't see him still being a jester and not having tried another route to being lynched. Worst case scenario is we get rid of a third party instead of the likelihood of a townie.
Ah, you gotta love inconsistency.
With that first sentence, you're doubting Org's alignment and wanting to lynch him for that, and with the second sentence you're trying to reaffirm his Jesterhood.
What are you trying to do, Zrk2?
Thoughts on current events:
*Zrk2 voting Org: Odd. Zrk2. seeing how Org was pretty much openly announced to be a jester, I think even trying another route to being lynched would be useless, and he probably knows that.
I'm voting him because he is guaranteed non-town, so until I see something better, Org makes for the best target as his lynch can't hurt town.
That is awfully passive, Zrk2. "Until I see something better"? That signifies you're not really scumhunting; you're just standing around waiting for someone to put your vote on so that you'll stay inconspicuous. If you don't see anything better, dig until you do.
Post by: Zrk2 on April 03, 2011, 11:51:08 am
Zrk2, please respond to my questions in D2.
I think I got them, what were they? Slow day, I should be able to put something together today.
Post by: lordnincompoop on April 03, 2011, 11:58:43 am
So erryone agree on the the Ottofar plan?Sorry, busy at the moment. I'm going to declare the day over and lock the votecount, but since I don't have time to actually end it for a while you're free to discuss.
If one of you tallies up the votes before I'm back and another of you confirms it that would be extraordinarily helpful but I can manage if you don't. <_< It would just be nice.
watArgembarger:
-Not much doing, seems fairly generic
NativeForeigner:
-Meh, generic play is generic
Elaborate. What is generic play?Jimbook Groovestras:
-Has already won
Eh?
For example.
I think I had some more, will go look for them.
Post by: Zrk2 on April 03, 2011, 04:53:32 pm
So erryone agree on the the Ottofar plan?Sorry, busy at the moment. I'm going to declare the day over and lock the votecount, but since I don't have time to actually end it for a while you're free to discuss.
If one of you tallies up the votes before I'm back and another of you confirms it that would be extraordinarily helpful but I can manage if you don't. <_< It would just be nice.
watArgembarger:
-Not much doing, seems fairly generic
NativeForeigner:
-Meh, generic play is generic
Elaborate. What is generic play? You did not stick out for anything, you scumhunted but not extremely, were you a survivor you would be doing it perfectly.Jimbook Groovestras:
-Has already won
Eh? He engaged in some joke about invoking his hidden power to win the game automatically, I thought it was funny, but it only seems to cause problems.
For example.
I think I had some more, will go look for them.
Thanks. Is that what you wanted?
Post by: Zrk2 on April 03, 2011, 06:01:35 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 03, 2011, 06:24:05 pm
Unvote, vote Leafsnail. Where the hell have you been? I have seen nothing but one line posts from you for far to long. Explain yourself.
It seems like you're just backtracking now. How about asking a useful question? Far more effective than just pointing out someone's lurkiness.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 03, 2011, 06:29:33 pm
Unvote, vote Leafsnail. Where the hell have you been? I have seen nothing but one line posts from you for far to long. Explain yourself.You expect me to answer when you haven't even responded to my one line posts, yet alone all the more substantial ones yesterday?
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 03, 2011, 06:33:49 pm
Argembarger - 0 -
Darvi - 0 -
IronyOwl - 0 -
Jack A T - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 1 - Org
Jokerman-EXE - 0 -
Leafsnail - 1 - Zrk2
lordnincompoop - 0 -
Mr.Person - 0 -
NativeForeigner - 0 -
Org - 0 -
Ottofar - 0 -
Zrk2 - 5 - Jim_Groovester Ottofar Leafsnail Jack_A_T Darvi
Not Voting: Argembarger IronyOwl Jokerman-EXE lordnincompoop Mr.Person NativeForeigner
Day ends Monday at 9 PM Pacific. Hammer is at 7.
Post by: lordnincompoop on April 03, 2011, 07:00:23 pm
Unvote, vote Leafsnail. Where the hell have you been? I have seen nothing but one line posts from you for far to long. Explain yourself.
If all you have are lurking accusations, at D3 even, you're doing something wrong.
Why do you refuse to actually respond to all those comments D2? If you want to incite conversation, there are certainly better ways than just voting lurkers with nothing else.
Post by: Jack A T on April 03, 2011, 08:03:55 pm
Unvote, vote Leafsnail. Where the hell have you been? I have seen nothing but one line posts from you for far to long. Explain yourself.
...Yes, he's lurky. Yes, that's a problem. Guess what's more of a problem? Your sheer uselessness throughout most of the game, refusal to actually respond to most points against you, and shown lack of reading. As of your hilarious list of notes, I'm pretty sure you convinced many people to vote for you. Just through that. And that's not even taking into account your arguments against SirBayer, your current deflections, your Ottofar voting habits ("Yeah, I think the plan's excellent, but I'm still going to vote Ottofar until someone tells me that I'm being stupid here."), and your choice to go after Org while claiming that he might not be a jester after having been convinced yesterday that he was a jester.
Post by: Zrk2 on April 03, 2011, 08:22:41 pm
Unvote, vote Leafsnail. Where the hell have you been? I have seen nothing but one line posts from you for far to long. Explain yourself.
...Yes, he's lurky. Yes, that's a problem. Guess what's more of a problem? Your sheer uselessness throughout most of the game, refusal to actually respond to most points against you, and shown lack of reading. As of your hilarious list of notes, I'm pretty sure you convinced many people to vote for you. Just through that. And that's not even taking into account your arguments against SirBayer, your current deflections, your Ottofar voting habits ("Yeah, I think the plan's excellent, but I'm still going to vote Ottofar until someone tells me that I'm being stupid here."), and your choice to go after Org while claiming that he might not be a jester after having been convinced yesterday that he was a jester.
I said he might not be a jester because he could have been culted/corrupted etc because he is being such a blatant jester that anyone with a recruit power would make the best target to corrupt since everyone is essentially ignoring him. Therefore at worst we would lynch a jester, and at best lynch cult/someone that isn't town.
Ok, to prevent my lynching I have an offer, I'm a survivor with a one shot night kill. In exchange for not being lynched I will NK Org for you guys, achieving my goal, and removing the wildcard he presents.
Post by: Zrk2 on April 03, 2011, 08:24:50 pm
Unvote, vote Leafsnail. Where the hell have you been? I have seen nothing but one line posts from you for far to long. Explain yourself.
...Yes, he's lurky. Yes, that's a problem. Guess what's more of a problem? Your sheer uselessness throughout most of the game, refusal to actually respond to most points against you, and shown lack of reading. As of your hilarious list of notes, I'm pretty sure you convinced many people to vote for you. Just through that. And that's not even taking into account your arguments against SirBayer, your current deflections, your Ottofar voting habits ("Yeah, I think the plan's excellent, but I'm still going to vote Ottofar until someone tells me that I'm being stupid here."), and your choice to go after Org while claiming that he might not be a jester after having been convinced yesterday that he was a jester.
I said he might not be a jester because he could have been culted/corrupted etc because he is being such a blatant jester that anyone with a recruit power would convert him since he is being ignored by most people for being an 'obvious jester'. Therefore at worst we would lynch a jester, and at best lynch cult/someone that isn't town.
Ok, to prevent my lynching I have an offer, I'm a survivor with a one shot night kill. In exchange for not being lynched I will NK Org for you guys, achieving my goal, and removing the wildcard he presents.
Hit post instead of preview, resulting in shitty wording.
Post by: IronyOwl on April 03, 2011, 08:26:27 pm
Ok, to prevent my lynching I have an offer, I'm a survivor with a one shot night kill. In exchange for not being lynched I will NK Org for you guys, achieving my goal, and removing the wildcard he presents.Interesting. I say we do it.
While we're on the topic, what are we doing about Ottofar? Do we want him to reverse last night in an attempt to undo action-discovering, or wait for something else?
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 03, 2011, 08:26:27 pm
You're not really a survivor, are you?
Post by: IronyOwl on April 03, 2011, 08:27:30 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 03, 2011, 08:29:06 pm
While we're on the topic, what are we doing about Ottofar? Do we want him to reverse last night in an attempt to undo action-discovering, or wait for something else?
If Ottofar's a zombie now he won't be able to do that, I don't think.
Post by: IronyOwl on April 03, 2011, 08:34:19 pm
How did you beat me to posting? I didn't get any warning.The timestamps are identical, so my only guess would be alphabetical order.
If Ottofar's a zombie now he won't be able to do that, I don't think.Did you mention that you lost your power(s) when you were zombified? I thought you said "nothing else had changed" or similar.
Though, I'm now wondering if this was his plan all along. Claiming zombieness, not necessarily being a zombie.
Post by: Zrk2 on April 03, 2011, 08:37:37 pm
Though... Zrk2, how do you know what your power does?
...I investigated it the first night.
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 03, 2011, 08:38:38 pm
Did you mention that you lost your power(s) when you were zombified? I thought you said "nothing else had changed" or similar.
I believe I did mention that I lost my powers.
Yep, here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2082851#msg2082851). I mentioned that my role is disabled, but my alignment's the same.
Post by: Zrk2 on April 03, 2011, 08:51:20 pm
How does killing Org accomplish your goal?
You're not really a survivor, are you?
It gets rid of uncertainty and provides information. Both are good for the town.
Yes I am. Back in the sign up thread I made some DF inspired jokes about cats making good hats and so my submission was ignored in favour of making me a CAT HATING JERK WHO IS MEAN because I said this:
C'mon, everyone knows that *Cat Tallow Stew* is delicious!
Oh my god that is adorable......in a stew!
Post by: IronyOwl on April 03, 2011, 08:56:08 pm
That doesn't answer the question and makes it look like you're scum.How does killing Org accomplish your goal?
You're not really a survivor, are you?
It gets rid of uncertainty and provides information. Both are good for the town.
Post by: Org on April 03, 2011, 08:58:15 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on April 04, 2011, 11:09:57 am
That doesn't answer the question and makes it look like you're scum.How does killing Org accomplish your goal?
You're not really a survivor, are you?
It gets rid of uncertainty and provides information. Both are good for the town.
I have to agree.
It looks like you can't make up your mind on what role you are, Zrk. That sounds to me like an NK-powered town, or something, but I don't see how it furthers your goal as Survivor at all, seeing as it doesn't increase your chances of surviving particularly much.
Post by: lordnincompoop on April 04, 2011, 11:10:34 am
Zrk is right.
How so?
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 04, 2011, 03:41:12 pm
Votes, ahurr durr:
Argembarger - 0 -
Darvi - 0 -
IronyOwl - 0 -
Jack A T - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 1 - Org
Jokerman-EXE - 0 -
Leafsnail - 1 - Zrk2
lordnincompoop - 0 -
Mr.Person - 0 -
NativeForeigner - 0 -
Org - 0 -
Ottofar - 0 -
Zrk2 - 5 - Jim_Groovester Ottofar Leafsnail Jack_A_T Darvi
Not Voting: Argembarger IronyOwl Jokerman-EXE lordnincompoop Mr.Person NativeForeigner
Day ends Monday at 9 PM Pacific. Hammer is at 7.
No new votes since this but if you guys aren't finished, I remind you that you can still extend the day.
Post by: Zrk2 on April 04, 2011, 04:28:11 pm
That doesn't answer the question and makes it look like you're scum.How does killing Org accomplish your goal?
You're not really a survivor, are you?
It gets rid of uncertainty and provides information. Both are good for the town.
I have to agree.
It looks like you can't make up your mind on what role you are, Zrk. That sounds to me like an NK-powered town, or something, but I don't see how it furthers your goal as Survivor at all, seeing as it doesn't increase your chances of surviving particularly much.
It prevents a near certain lynch today, which is usually helpful to let me live until the end.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 04, 2011, 05:18:09 pm
Post by: Zrk2 on April 04, 2011, 05:24:01 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 04, 2011, 08:49:03 pm
Post by: Org on April 04, 2011, 08:53:28 pm
AND, Zrk is right you need to kill me.
Post by: Jack A T on April 04, 2011, 09:07:55 pm
And yeah, I agree, you do need to be killed.
My thoughts on Zrk2's offer: I can see why he would make it (not dying is good for...everyone but jesters). However, I find the sheer number of believable excuses concerning. Things like being blocked or zombification, for example. Especially zombification. That, combined with his earlier scumminess, makes me rather cautious about unvoting him.
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 04, 2011, 10:45:15 pm
15 minutes to day end. If you're not ready for it, extend now.
Post by: Jack A T on April 04, 2011, 11:03:47 pm
Post by: Org on April 05, 2011, 12:02:08 am
Post by: Org on April 05, 2011, 12:05:03 am
Shorten
Post by: Darvi on April 05, 2011, 12:06:21 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 05, 2011, 12:06:56 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 05, 2011, 02:35:07 am
Post by: Tyberix on April 05, 2011, 08:31:39 am
Any other ideas that are more sensible who we should reveal :P ?
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 05, 2011, 09:36:39 am
Zrk2 You are CAT-HATING JERK WHO IS MEAN (Serial Killer). If a person hates cats, he hates everything worth having in the world, more often than not. You're no exception. You wish to see everyone else dead.
You have two abilities:
You send someone to a cruel end, killing them and bypassing all protection.
[1shot] HATE: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown
Night ends Wednesday at 9 PM. I'm going to send out a round of prods, as well, to people whose absences I noticed, to anyone who wasn't voting, and anyone I'm asked to prod.
Post by: SniHjen on April 05, 2011, 11:54:04 am
Post by: Zrk2 on April 05, 2011, 02:29:44 pm
Bastards. Why would you do that?! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TitleDrop)
Post by: Tyberix on April 06, 2011, 03:37:24 pm
Zrk how could you ! Poor kittens :P
Post by: RedWarrior0 on April 08, 2011, 12:30:22 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 09, 2011, 02:29:42 am
Also, did someone volunteer to replace in for Argembarger?
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 13, 2011, 07:41:35 pm
Quote
Nightingale: You sing. If someone holds the Rose, they will die and and you will have the Rose ability returned to you; this cannot be traced.
LORDNINCOMPOOP has received a laser-guided modkill for inactivity last night! Also, Darvi has been "slain" last night. What a shame.
lordnincompoop You are Cthulhu Haunting the Mafia (town). You are exactly what your role's name sounds like. Each night you live, your special passive ability will activate a different aspect, making the Mafia's life much more difficult.
[Auto] Haunting the Mafia: As long as CHtM is alive the Mafia receives a number of arbitrary restrictions which change occasionally.
Haunt: Protects whomever the targeted players uses an action on.
Darvi You are Unconvincing Ghost (town). Do your best to scare the Mafia away! (You can't scare anyone)
Scare: You confuse two targets in your halfhearted attempt to scare them, switching each one's action with the other. Additionally, anyone targeting either of them will have their target switched.
Sending out Law possibilities momentarily.
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 20, 2011, 02:03:33 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 24, 2011, 03:56:58 pm
Votes, if you haven't forgotten this exists:
Argembarger - 0 -
IronyOwl - 0 -
Jack A T - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Jokerman-EXE - 0 -
Leafsnail - 0 -
NativeForeigner - 0 -
Org - 0 -
Ottofar - 0 -
Not Voting: Argembarger IronyOwl Jack_A_T Jim_Groovester Jokerman-EXE Leafsnail NativeForeigner Org Ottofar
Day ends Monday at 9 PM Pacific. Hammer is at 7.
This day is governed by the Laws:
Demand: Archangel Mode
Crap, you've overslept like mad last night. And after four days, you're starting to get quite hungry and thirsty...
One player has randomly been selected to be the Archangel. The Archangel is not permitted to inform others of being the Archangel on pain of modkill.
Edit: How does Mr.Person keep ending up on these votecounts? <_<
Post by: Darvi on April 24, 2011, 03:59:18 pm
Spoiler: At the start of the game I was all :D (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: And now I'm all D: (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 04:57:14 pm
Rereading. I should be able to post something better than this soon. It's been far too long.
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 24, 2011, 08:23:35 pm
And Jack, really? You've had enough damn time, do something fucking useful or I'll quit!
Post by: IronyOwl on April 24, 2011, 08:36:28 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 08:49:09 pm
WHAT THE FUCK? That rule is utter bullshit! Seriously, Pandar? I might as well just quit right now, this is just stupid!
And Jack, really? You've had enough damn time, do something fucking useful or I'll quit!
Fuck you. I take three hours, rereading, figuring out what the FUCK is going on here, figuring out who is scum and who is town again, and you come in and just hastily vote for me and scream at me for not giving content immediately when YOU YOURSELF GAVE NO CONTENT? It's the fucking WEEKEND. It's FUCKING EASTER of all days! I have a FUCKING FAMILY (not fucking at the moment, though, but still)! If you quit over something as minor as THAT, I'll quit too!
My rereading, and some careful thought, makes me rather suspicious of Native. I don't like fucking kill powers being fucking everywhere. Fucker.
I sort of wonder about Ottofar's zombification yesterday. He was a good scumzombifier target, being central to a town plan, but it was also rather convenient.
I have to wonder about Archangel Mode. If it makes the game fucking retarded, I'll fucking quit, y'know.
Finally, guess what? School's being fucking retarded, and I'm getting a ton of school stuff in my way for a while. I'll still be able to post, though.
PPE: Interesting. IronyOwl, your claim of having the rose...I'm not completely sure about it. You could be a fucking kill target, or you could be lying to implicate Native with a convenient kill power. I'm leaning towards the former.
Everyone: Has anyone had the god damn rose before IronyOwl?
Oh, and WHY IS EVERYONE SO FUCKING ANGR!?!
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 24, 2011, 08:54:03 pm
I'm going to go lurk for a week don't worry guys I'll be back after the day ends I promise I'll post something then.
No, but seriously, this is stupid. Fuck this, replace me.
Is there any way to get around this? Because this is going to a fucking pain in the ass and I feel like quitting over it. Fuck this, replace me.
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 09:23:36 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 24, 2011, 09:23:52 pm
You know what else is bullshit, Native? I seem to have your fucking rose now, mind telling me why? Cause if you're gonna pull bullshit like that I'll just fucking quit, I don't even care about this game anymore.
What the fuck??? Are you shitting me? I wanted to get that shit into circulation! You know you can fucking pass it on, right? Dude, if you fucking pussy out and quit, I'll just fucking quit, I mean, seriously? Speaking of which, who do you think you're going to pass that shit on to? Or are you just gonna give me a fucking reason to kill you before I fucking quit? Seriously! You know, I might have picked someone different if you weren't so fucking tricky to read!
Fucking Jack: Who the fuck cares??? Fucking do something! Or go ahead and quit! Just give me a fucking reason to quit.
Yeah, I have a kill power, so what? Doesn't make me a bad fucking person. If you're going to be fucking thinking that way, I'll just fucking leave the game now.
Jim: Fuck you! If you replace, then I'll quit!
Err-fucking-body: Why the fuck are you all acting so fucking angry and pissy? Seriously, fucking threatening to quit every fucking time? I swear, I think either you guys are fucking faking or there might be more than one fucking Archangel, I don't fucking know but it's making me want to quit this shitty game.
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 09:33:31 pm
Fucking Jack: Who the fuck cares??? Fucking do something! Or go ahead and quit! Just give me a fucking reason to quit.
I JUST FUCKING DID SOMETHING! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2219070#msg2219070)
Are you really ignoring that post!?! Fuck you, then.
And yes, I find it suspicious that you have a kill power. Day 3 was a fucking write-off when it comes to information. We did get one fucking SK killed, which is great, but that's really all we did. I could use more to work with, which is why I'm fucking trying to figure out what the fuck is going on.
And you still complained way too quickly about a minor fucking delay on Easter of all days, after a fucking giant hiatus in the game! Seriously!
I find it interesting that you claim that you can hand out the rose, and are admitting to having given it to Irony. Why Irony, of all specific fucking people?
Also, Irony, is it true that you can pass the rose on!?! If so, why didn't you say so!?!
Err-fucking-body: Why the fuck are you all acting so fucking angry and pissy? Seriously, fucking threatening to quit every fucking time? I swear, I think either you guys are fucking faking or there might be more than one fucking Archangel, I don't fucking know but it's making me want to quit this shitty game.I'm in a bit of a bad fucking mood, you see. Stressed. Don't know about the rest, though.
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 24, 2011, 09:34:14 pm
Okay, seriously, why is everyone fucking acting like Archangel!?! I mean, yes, the joke's obvious, but still. If this keeps up, I RAGEQUIT.
I'm just tired of everybody's bullshit. What did I do to deserve any of this? I didn't do anything.
There should be only one Archangel, according to Pandarsenic anyway. Maybe that's still technically true?
MOD: Are you a fucking lying son of a bitch or is what you said at the start of the day true? Because if it isn't, fuck this, replace me.
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 24, 2011, 09:41:49 pm
You really think there'd be two fucking SKs? Seriously? If that's the damn case, I should just fucking quit!
You seriously fucking think I'm acting too fucking quickly? It's like 7 fucking thirty. You should have fucking time.
Of course I'll claim my own fucking rose! I don't have any damn reason not to. I gave it to fucking Irony because he's the hardest one to read in this damn bunch and it'll be interesting to see who he fucking passes it to. That is, if I don't quit first.
Yeah, this is kind of pissing me off that everyone's fucking acting like this fucking bullshit.
Post by: Vector on April 24, 2011, 09:46:05 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on April 24, 2011, 09:54:14 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on April 24, 2011, 10:00:13 pm
"Get that shit into circulation?" Are you fucking shitting me? You're trying to say you were just gonna hand me a rose and let it drift wherever? Can you magically fucking know where it goes now or were you just seriously fucking hoping your kill-switch would land right-the-fuck where you wanted it when you felt like offing someone? How the fuck would you even use something like that?You know what else is bullshit, Native? I seem to have your fucking rose now, mind telling me why? Cause if you're gonna pull bullshit like that I'll just fucking quit, I don't even care about this game anymore.
What the fuck??? Are you shitting me? I wanted to get that shit into circulation! You know you can fucking pass it on, right? Dude, if you fucking pussy out and quit, I'll just fucking quit, I mean, seriously? Speaking of which, who do you think you're going to pass that shit on to? Or are you just gonna give me a fucking reason to kill you before I fucking quit? Seriously! You know, I might have picked someone different if you weren't so fucking tricky to read!
Also, Irony, is it true that you can pass the rose on!?! If so, why didn't you say so!?!Yes I can pass on the fucking rose, I'd just fucking quit otherwise. I didn't say so because I FUCKING FORGOT THAT INFO WASN'T IN THE FUCKING DESCRIPTION!!!!!!
I am rolling on the floor laughing. I may need to pay more attention to this topic.>:I
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 10:05:14 pm
You basically just fucking told us how you won't be able to fucking do much. Why don't you just fucking quit? Wait, you fucking know what? I'll just fucking quit instead.
You really think there'd be two fucking SKs? Seriously? If that's the damn case, I should just fucking quit!
Of course I'll claim my own fucking rose! I don't have any damn reason not to. I gave it to fucking Irony because he's the hardest one to read in this damn bunch and it'll be interesting to see who he fucking passes it to. That is, if I don't quit first.
Unable to fucking do much: And yet I fucking said I'll still do what I can. Because fuck.
Two fucking SKs: It is fucking possible. However, your recent posts (notably, the one where you actually admitted to giving the rose away), make me lean slightly more towards town on you. You fucker. Also, I'll quickly say this: the kill pattern we've seen doesn't match your fucking ability in any way.
Claiming your own fucking rose: And that is a fucking good thing, in this case, for you. Fucking. It made me fucking lean slightly more town on you, and, interestingly, on that fucker Irony. It means that you're willing to dispel the idea that Irony is just claiming to have the rose to screw you over, and that Irony isn't just trying to fuck you over by claiming the rose.
Giving the rose to fucking Irony: Interesting.
NativeForeigner: Do you think that you would've gotten a better read off of Irony if your kill power hadn't been fucking revealed? Is this a reason for you to fucking quit?
I'm tired of all you fuckign quitters! I'm going to qUIT like this, if this happens more!
PPE:
Also, Irony, is it true that you can pass the rose on!?! If so, why didn't you say so!?!Yes I can pass on the fucking rose, I'd just fucking quit otherwise. I didn't say so because I FUCKING FORGOT THAT INFO WASN'T IN THE FUCKING DESCRIPTION!!!!!!
Fascifuckinating. How did you fucking forget it when it was revealed today? Did you fucking take a while between reading the rose thing and posting about having it, you fucker?
Post by: RedWarrior0 on April 24, 2011, 10:06:14 pm
I am rolling on the floor laughing. I may need to pay more attention to this topic.
Seriously, QFT.
Also, Panda, you didn't send the SSpecs the info for this wonderful law we passed.
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 10:12:24 pm
Also, Irony, is it true that you can pass the rose on!?! If so, why didn't you say so!?!Yes I can pass on the fucking rose, I'd just fucking quit otherwise. I didn't say so because I FUCKING FORGOT THAT INFO WASN'T IN THE FUCKING DESCRIPTION!!!!!!
Fascifuckinating. How did you fucking forget it when it was revealed today? Did you fucking take a while between reading the rose thing and posting about having it, you fucker?
Ignore what I fuckign said here.
IronyOwl: What the fuck were you trying to saY!?! Is the rose-moving thing in the fucking description or not!?!
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 24, 2011, 10:12:40 pm
"Get that shit into circulation?" Are you fucking shitting me? You're trying to say you were just gonna hand me a rose and let it drift wherever? Can you magically fucking know where it goes now or were you just seriously fucking hoping your kill-switch would land right-the-fuck where you wanted it when you felt like offing someone? How the fuck would you even use something like that?You know what else is bullshit, Native? I seem to have your fucking rose now, mind telling me why? Cause if you're gonna pull bullshit like that I'll just fucking quit, I don't even care about this game anymore.
What the fuck??? Are you shitting me? I wanted to get that shit into circulation! You know you can fucking pass it on, right? Dude, if you fucking pussy out and quit, I'll just fucking quit, I mean, seriously? Speaking of which, who do you think you're going to pass that shit on to? Or are you just gonna give me a fucking reason to kill you before I fucking quit? Seriously! You know, I might have picked someone different if you weren't so fucking tricky to read!
I always fucking know where the Goddamn rose is. If you pass it to someone I'll fucking know exactly who you fucking pass that shitty ass rose to!
Jack: Fucking fine!
Yeah, it's fucking possible, I'll admit that shit. I'm fucking glad you're able to read into the fucking patterns, your competence makes me want to quit slightly less, but still, FUCK!
No, actually, I fucking think that revealing my fucking power actually helps me get a damn read, it lets me see who that fucker wants to kill. Yes, Goddammit! I'm going to fucking quit.
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 10:21:44 pm
If both can be done during the day, I have an idea on how to get rid of Org.
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 10:23:26 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 10:23:54 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 24, 2011, 10:33:14 pm
Native: When can the rose be moved, and when can you kill its holder?
If both can be done during the day, I have an idea on how to get rid of Org.
The rose can fucking be moved at night (I fucking think) and I can kill its damn holder at night.
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 10:38:04 pm
Pandarsenic: If, in fucking theory, both actions were done in the same night, which holder of the rose would fucking die, with the rose and the kill acting as described here!?!
I feel like fucking quitting. For no real rason.
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 24, 2011, 10:47:00 pm
Edit: This happens as a kill-priority action.
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 24, 2011, 10:48:23 pm
PPfuckingE:
Pandar: I see, that's fucking bullshit, makes me wanna quit. Thank fucking you.
Post by: Jack A T on April 24, 2011, 10:49:37 pm
Makes me wanna quit, it does! Meesa wnat to quit now!
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 24, 2011, 11:25:58 pm
Seriously, what the fuck.
Fuck this, replace me.
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 25, 2011, 12:00:48 am
Post by: Ottofar on April 25, 2011, 03:17:42 am
Post by: IronyOwl on April 25, 2011, 03:28:59 am
IronyOwl: What the fuck were you trying to saY!?! Is the rose-moving thing in the fucking description or not!?!When I said "description" I meant THE ONE POSTED IN THE FUCKING THREAD BY THE SPOILSPECS, WHICH YOU CAN GO LOOK AT RIGHT FUCKING NOW TO SEE DOESN'T MENTION MOVING THE ROSE. Of COURSE there's a fucking description of moving it as a night action in my fucking PM, else how the fuck else would I know I could do that?!
I always fucking know where the Goddamn rose is. If you pass it to someone I'll fucking know exactly who you fucking pass that shitty ass rose to!Fine. Whatever. Fuck you, I don't even care about this game anymore. Unvote Native.
Native: When can the rose be moved, and when can you kill its holder?I don't even fucking care, I'm doing this to Org tonight and he can fucking die in a fire tomorrow night. Fuck him.
If both can be done during the day, I have an idea on how to get rid of Org.
What the fuck are you motherfuckers doing. This everyone being ragey thing is making me angry. Fuck this game.What the fuck are YOU doing? Aren't you a zombie or some shit? Didn't we fucking learn last game that leaving undead roaming around ends fucking badly? Fuck this, Ottofar just to see what happens, you're only alive because of some day-reversing bullshit you never even fucking did, I don't even know why I'm playing this anymore.
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 25, 2011, 03:43:24 am
And Jokerman-EXE, fuck you. And I can't remember you doing anything at all ever in this game, and this was before there was a two week night. When are you going to make a memorable contribution?
And IronyOwl, what the fuck did you even vote NativeForeigner for at the beginning of the day if you were just going to chickenshit out later? And what the fuck is your problem with Ottofar?
And Org, what the fuck, Org. I see you driving around town with the girl I love and I'm like, fuck you, and fuck her too.
Man, I don't even care if you guys lynch me. Fuck you all.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on April 25, 2011, 09:12:03 am
And Jokerman-EXE, fuck you. And I can't remember you doing anything at all ever in this game, and this was before there was a two week night. When are you going to make a memorable contribution?
Fuck off, Groovester. I was getting an early start on today's game.
And you're all really bad at this whole thing. Learn to be better at it or so help me, I'm out of this game.
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 25, 2011, 11:58:39 am
And Org, what the fuck, Org. I see you driving around town with the girl I love and I'm like, fuck you, and fuck her too.
Fuck you, this made me fucking laugh, you asshole.
Post by: Ottofar on April 25, 2011, 12:43:47 pm
What the fuck are you motherfuckers doing. This everyone being ragey thing is making me angry. Fuck this game.What the fuck are YOU doing? Aren't you a zombie or some shit? Didn't we fucking learn last game that leaving undead roaming around ends fucking badly? Fuck this, Ottofar just to see what happens, you're only alive because of some day-reversing bullshit you never even fucking did, I don't even know why I'm playing this anymore.
Fuck you IronyOwl.
Post by: Jack A T on April 25, 2011, 12:48:38 pm
What the fuck are you motherfuckers doing. This everyone being ragey thing is making me angry. Fuck this game.What the fuck are YOU doing? Aren't you a zombie or some shit? Didn't we fucking learn last game that leaving undead roaming around ends fucking badly? Fuck this, Ottofar just to see what happens, you're only alive because of some day-reversing bullshit you never even fucking did, I don't even know why I'm playing this anymore.
Fuck you IronyOwl.
Fuck you, you OMGUSing bastard. Fuck you, Ottofar. IronyOwl, as hard as it is for me to admit it, has a fucking point.
I FUQUICKT, if you continue fucking like this.
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 25, 2011, 12:50:42 pm
Fuck you IronyOwl.
Fucking damn OMGUS you fucking fucker! Fuck this, I quit.
Do you even have a damn reason to be fucking voting Irony you damn bitch?
Post by: Ottofar on April 25, 2011, 12:53:47 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 25, 2011, 12:56:42 pm
I fucking don't fucking need fucking reasons you fucking motherfucking fucker. Fuck you and your family.
Ahem. Here goes nothing:
FUCK YOU OTTOFAR.
Reasons are powerful things. They cause arguments. They convince people. They are one of the most important things to votes. Refusing to give your reasons indicates that you are not interested in aiding the town. Thus, I say this: if you are a townie, I might fucking quit. Why? Because you're sure not fucking acting like one.
Fucker.
Post by: Ottofar on April 25, 2011, 12:57:15 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 25, 2011, 01:24:57 pm
Post by: Ottofar on April 25, 2011, 03:08:01 pm
Post by: SniHjen on April 25, 2011, 03:14:17 pm
I refuse to have anything to fucking do with this fucking travesty.
I didn't vote archangel, thank the two other Spoiling Spectating assholes for this shit.
I fucking quit?
am I doin it rite?
Post by: Ottofar on April 25, 2011, 03:52:54 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 25, 2011, 03:56:15 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on April 25, 2011, 04:17:35 pm
And IronyOwl, what the fuck did you even vote NativeForeigner for at the beginning of the day if you were just going to chickenshit out later? And what the fuck is your problem with Ottofar?I just wanted to fucking know why he gave me his fucking death rose but a fucking tracking beacon hot potato seemed like a good fucking reason. And besides, he can't be a fucking cultist and he's probably not a fucking serial killer so why not? We don't even know if there is any scum in this stupid fucking game.
And why do you even fucking care about Ottofar? Because he's also a zombie so you've got some kind of fucking cultchat or some shit? What do you think of his stupid fucking OMGUS with no fucking reasons what-so-fucking-ever?
And you're all really bad at this whole thing. Learn to be better at it or so help me, I'm out of this game.So what the fuck are YOUR fucking scumpicks, huh?
Post by: Jack A T on April 25, 2011, 04:31:51 pm
And why do you even fucking care about Ottofar? Because he's also a zombie so you've got some kind of fucking cultchat or some shit? What do you think of his stupid fucking OMGUS with no fucking reasons what-so-fucking-ever?
I find it hard to believe that those fucking zombies are cultists, because of one thing: they've been fucking claiming. Thus, one zombie dying would essentially reveal the entire fuckshitfucking cult, with the exception of the cult-leading bastard.
If they are so crazy as to claim, then I have one thing to do: QUIT.
Post by: IronyOwl on April 25, 2011, 04:48:12 pm
I find it hard to believe that those fucking zombies are cultists, because of one thing: they've been fucking claiming. Thus, one zombie dying would essentially reveal the entire fuckshitfucking cult, with the exception of the cult-leading bastard.I guess that makes some fucking sense, but with those fucking skeletons from 5.5 the cult leader didn't even fucking know he was one, for all I know these fucking members don't even know they are. Fuck this game.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 25, 2011, 06:40:59 pm
And then I get back and there's this fucking mess of people just FUCKING SWEARING AT EACH OTHER and threatening to quit and getting nowhere. I swear, if this continues I'll have to participate even less or quit.
What's more I've completely fucking forgotten almost everything about this game. If I weren't about to quit that would be almost as aggravating as all the fucking players in this stupid game.
Anyway:
IronyOwl Jokerman-EXE NativeForeigner
Is there a reason why you guys didn't fucking vote yesterday? NativeForeigner and IronyOwl especially were both fucking here but doing nothing.
In fact, Native, today you seem to be not putting your fucking vote where your stupid, sweary fucking mouth is. You start by voting Jack to "get him to do something useful", then you fucking keep your vote on him even though he did some stuff without giving any kind of fucking reason. You then quietly transfer your vote to Ottofar without contributing any of your own fucking reasons for doing so.
IronyOwl is being almost as fucking evasive with their fucking vote. They just fucking vote NativeForeigner and remove that vote for no fucking reason. SWEARING ISN'T A FUCKING EXCUSE FOR DOING THAT. And then you fucking vote Ottofar for some stupid joke reason and leave it at fucking that.
Post by: Vector on April 25, 2011, 06:44:14 pm
Fuck.
(If you still need a replacement by the time that I can actually replace, I'll in)
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 25, 2011, 06:47:05 pm
And IronyOwl, what the fuck did you even vote NativeForeigner for at the beginning of the day if you were just going to chickenshit out later? And what the fuck is your problem with Ottofar?I just wanted to fucking know why he gave me his fucking death rose but a fucking tracking beacon hot potato seemed like a good fucking reason. And besides, he can't be a fucking cultist and he's probably not a fucking serial killer so why not? We don't even know if there is any scum in this stupid fucking game.
Somebody's fucking killing people (lol Pandarsenic) so why wouldn't there be any scum? Why would you even say that?
That's stupid. It's almost like you want people to think there aren't any scum despite obvious evidence to the contrary. Man, what even the fuck is that called? WIFOM?
Whatever. Fuck it.
And why do you even fucking care about Ottofar? Because he's also a zombie so you've got some kind of fucking cultchat or some shit? What do you think of his stupid fucking OMGUS with no fucking reasons what-so-fucking-ever?
What makes you think I give a fuck about Ottofar? I don't. I give more of a fuck why you do.
How are your reasons any better? You voted him to see what would happen. How's that a good reason? Then he OMGUSed and gave you reason to justify your vote after the fact. Who's really the reasonless voting dickwad here?
I think you're scum, IronyOwl, but fuck this. I don't even care anymore.
And Vector, fuck you. What the fuck are you even doing in here. Hurry the fuck up and replace me already so I can quit this fucking game.
Post by: Vector on April 25, 2011, 06:48:45 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 25, 2011, 07:19:01 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on April 25, 2011, 08:23:26 pm
IronyOwl Jokerman-EXE NativeForeignerI don't even fucking care or remember anymore. I know I didn't really fucking think Zrk2 was scum and probably didn't see any fucking point to bandwagoning him even more than he already had going.
Is there a reason why you guys didn't fucking vote yesterday? NativeForeigner and IronyOwl especially were both fucking here but doing nothing.
IronyOwl is being almost as fucking evasive with their fucking vote. They just fucking vote NativeForeigner and remove that vote for no fucking reason. SWEARING ISN'T A FUCKING EXCUSE FOR DOING THAT. And then you fucking vote Ottofar for some stupid joke reason and leave it at fucking that.I fucking voted Native to find out why he was trying to fucking kill me before I could even quit, but his fucking tracker rose story makes fucking sense. If it's that fucking complicated just to fucking kill someone I'd just quit on the fucking spot.
I wasn't fucking joking on Otto, he was scummy as fuck and now he's a fucking zombie and we don't know what the fuck that means. I guess lynching someone for a test is fucking scummy, but we don't even know for fucking certain that he is a zombie and not just lying to get out of the fucking noose without doing anything.
Somebody's fucking killing people (lol Pandarsenic) so why wouldn't there be any scum? Why would you even say that?I don't even fucking know. We've got town, SK, and "mod," so I don't know what the fuck is going on and that led me to fucking derpland I guess. Whatever.
How are your reasons any better? You voted him to see what would happen. How's that a good reason? Then he OMGUSed and gave you reason to justify your vote after the fact. Who's really the reasonless voting dickwad here?I voted him to lynch him to see what the fuck would happen, not just get a fucking rise out of him. I guess that's normally much fucking worse, but the only fucking reason he's still alive was offering to do something he didn't so why the fuck not? It's not like he's all fucking townlike recently.
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 26, 2011, 04:33:17 am
Ho ho! What now, fuckwit?
No, but seriously, that's extremely lazy reasoning. Going for 'why not' lynches are pretty damn fucking scummy, so unless you can make a better case for why he's scum or why lynching him advances the town's win condition, then I think you should pretty much hang.
Why the fuck do I even bother. Fuck this. I'm quitting.
Post by: Jack A T on April 26, 2011, 06:41:24 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 26, 2011, 06:45:12 pm
Is it?
Why don't you step in for IronyOwl some more. Is there something going on there I should look into?
But I'm not going to. I'll post something tomorrow, I swear.
Post by: IronyOwl on April 26, 2011, 08:10:16 pm
How about we lynch you and see what happens.Fuck this, I'm quitting. Someone replace me.
Ho ho! What now, fuckwit?
No, but seriously, that's extremely lazy reasoning. Going for 'why not' lynches are pretty damn fucking scummy, so unless you can make a better case for why he's scum or why lynching him advances the town's win condition, then I think you should pretty much hang.How about how fucking scummy he was ages ago, when I was in favor of lynching him? I'd give some fucking quotes or something but I still haven't reread like I keep saying I will.
There's also fucking zombies out there, and we don't know what they do, but we know if it's a fucking douchebag player doing it he's preventing a rewind, why would he even fucking do that? You don't even fucking care that you're a zombie or want to know why?
Post by: Jack A T on April 26, 2011, 09:22:45 pm
I might not have to fucking quit, but I still want to.
And fucking stuff.
Posts will still be fucking sporadic, but coherent.
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 26, 2011, 11:54:30 pm
How about how fucking scummy he was ages ago, when I was in favor of lynching him? I'd give some fucking quotes or something but I still haven't reread like I keep saying I will.
There's also fucking zombies out there, and we don't know what they do, but we know if it's a fucking douchebag player doing it he's preventing a rewind, why would he even fucking do that? You don't even fucking care that you're a zombie or want to know why?
Yeah, wel-
Shit.
It still feels like you're just picking on Ottofar because he's fucking Ottofar. Like, welp, I got no scum picks. Time to pick on Ottofar, that's always a good choice.
Ottofar, do something.
Blah blah I quit I wish today was Org mode instead of Archangel mode fuck this.
Post by: Tyberix on April 27, 2011, 02:18:33 pm
Archangel Mode = double game hilarity :P
Post by: Ottofar on April 27, 2011, 02:23:12 pm
Also, I might do something tomorrow.
Post by: Jack A T on April 27, 2011, 03:33:44 pm
Day 2
Why don't you step in for IronyOwl some more. Is there something going on there I should look into?...The thing is, what IronyOwl originally said both fucking weakens your argument and makes Irony's whole "I voted him to lynch him to see what would happen" thing sound fucking odder.
Fuck this band trip. Fuck the paper-thin band shirts. I have a strong urge to quit.
Fuck You. This is Motherfucking annoying. I fucking hate using these excessive swearwords.I doubt that that part of Fucking Archangel is the fucking part you're meant to fuckign imitate.
Also, I might do something tomorrow.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 27, 2011, 08:01:55 pm
I don't even fucking care or remember anymore. I know I didn't really fucking think Zrk2 was scum and probably didn't see any fucking point to bandwagoning him even more than he already had going.
Spoiler: Ob-fucking-jection (click to show/hide)
I fucking voted Native to find out why he was trying to fucking kill me before I could even quit, but his fucking tracker rose story makes fucking sense. If it's that fucking complicated just to fucking kill someone I'd just quit on the fucking spot.So, uh... OMGUFS, but with a kill instead of a vote?
I wasn't fucking joking on Otto, he was scummy as fuck and now he's a fucking zombie and we don't know what the fuck that means. I guess lynching someone for a test is fucking scummy, but we don't even know for fucking certain that he is a zombie and not just lying to get out of the fucking noose without doing anything.Your fucking point? We don't know if any of us are lying and trying to get out of the noose by claiming to be a fucking town aligned player.
I voted him to lynch him to see what the fuck would happen, not just get a fucking rise out of him. I guess that's normally much fucking worse, but the only fucking reason he's still alive was offering to do something he didn't so why the fuck not? It's not like he's all fucking townlike recently.I fucking agreed that Ottofar was scummy a while ago, but your attack on him is completely fucking ridiculous and scummy. You make some vague intonation that everyone thought he was scummy before, why don't we go back to fucking lynching him to "see what happens". It strikes me as someone who doesn't give a fuck about finding the alignment of the lynchee. I quit.
Post by: IronyOwl on April 28, 2011, 04:03:06 pm
I don't even fucking care or remember anymore. I know I didn't really fucking think Zrk2 was scum and probably didn't see any fucking point to bandwagoning him even more than he already had going.Other than the fucking self contradiction, if you didn't think he was scum, shouldn't you have, like, fucking found someone who was and done something about it? It makes me want to fall back on some tired fucking cliche about leaving the game.Spoiler: Ob-fucking-jection (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Earlier In The Fucking Game (click to show/hide)
Pretty fucking much. It's not like he fucking suspected me previously or some shit like a vig might do.I fucking voted Native to find out why he was trying to fucking kill me before I could even quit, but his fucking tracker rose story makes fucking sense. If it's that fucking complicated just to fucking kill someone I'd just quit on the fucking spot.So, uh... OMGUFS, but with a kill instead of a vote?
Well do you not fucking think his near-lynch was justified last time? Has he fucking done anything to fucking convince you that he's town now?I wasn't fucking joking on Otto, he was scummy as fuck and now he's a fucking zombie and we don't know what the fuck that means. I guess lynching someone for a test is fucking scummy, but we don't even know for fucking certain that he is a zombie and not just lying to get out of the fucking noose without doing anything.Your fucking point? We don't know if any of us are lying and trying to get out of the noose by claiming to be a fucking town aligned player.
To be perfectly fucking fair, his zombieness helps with that, because we don't know what they fucking do, if he even fucking is one. If not, that's fucking that and I'm fucking quitting.I voted him to lynch him to see what the fuck would happen, not just get a fucking rise out of him. I guess that's normally much fucking worse, but the only fucking reason he's still alive was offering to do something he didn't so why the fuck not? It's not like he's all fucking townlike recently.I fucking agreed that Ottofar was scummy a while ago, but your attack on him is completely fucking ridiculous and scummy. You make some vague intonation that everyone thought he was scummy before, why don't we go back to fucking lynching him to "see what happens". It strikes me as someone who doesn't give a fuck about finding the alignment of the lynchee. I quit.
Post by: Jack A T on April 28, 2011, 05:26:42 pm
Went to concerts. Bought some fucking stuff. Maple tea is fucking good. Good enough to make me want to quit.
Okay. I don't like the "see what happens" idea when it comes to lynching anyfuckingone. However, Ottofar's fucking behaviour is particularly bad right now. He needs to be useful. "Might do something tomorrow" isn't fucking good enough.
IronyOwl: To clarify the "Earlier In The Fucking Game" bit, how does "he's sort of passed the Noobscum/RiA Event Horizon for me" fucking mean "He's probably not scum"? Am I fucking misunderstanding it?
Post by: Leafsnail on April 28, 2011, 10:24:45 pm
This answer seems to have some serious fucking implications for the game. Namely, that you seem to be saying that things you say earlier takes precedent over things you say later, which would suggest that you're fucking moving backwards through time or some bullshit like that. I'll say it again: you said Zrk2 was being scummy, but still didn't want to commit your unused vote. Almost as if you were trying to avoid a fucking bandwagon charge against someone you knew was nonmafia.The very fucking bottom in particular. I seem to have fucking vanished Day 2, so I don't even remember what the fuck was up with that. Maybe I requested a replace but Pandar wouldn't fucking do it.Spoiler: Earlier In The Fucking Game (click to show/hide)
Well do you not fucking think his near-lynch was justified last time? Has he fucking done anything to fucking convince you that he's town now?Was he scummy as fuck then? Yes.
Has he done anything to turn it around since then? No.
Is the way you're approaching his lynch enough to give me serious fucking doubts about your intentions regarding him? Yes.
To be perfectly fucking fair, his zombieness helps with that, because we don't know what they fucking do, if he even fucking is one. If not, that's fucking that and I'm fucking quitting.I'd point out that there are 8 players and probably at least 3 mafia left. We don't have any fucking freelynches to waste on someone who "might be a zombie". And then that you didn't advocate this course of action when other players (or indeed Ottofar) claimed zombie.
Also: I fucking quit for the duration of the Royal Wedding 4 day weekend we're having here (friday - monday). My family is fucking dragging me along again.
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 28, 2011, 10:31:48 pm
Also: I fucking quit for the duration of the Royal Wedding 4 day weekend we're having here (friday - monday). My family is fucking dragging me along again.
What, no royal pain in the ass pun?
I fucking quit.
Mod: Vote count?
Meanwhile, Ottofar and Jokerman-EXE and Org and NativeForeigner haven't done jack shit in a while. Not that I'm expecting much out of Org, but what the fuck about the three of you fuckers? Fucking lurker dickwads. Activity's so low in this game it makes me want to not play for a week.
Post by: IronyOwl on April 28, 2011, 11:03:21 pm
IronyOwl: To clarify the "Earlier In The Fucking Game" bit, how does "he's sort of passed the Noobscum/RiA Event Horizon for me" fucking mean "He's probably not scum"? Am I fucking misunderstanding it?I think you fucking are. I meant he had passed the fucking point of terrible nooby scum and entered the realm of just plain fucking bad at this. I didn't think he was a fucking jester, but I thought his scumtells were too fucking egregious to just fucking mean the obvious anymore.
This answer seems to have some serious fucking implications for the game. Namely, that you seem to be saying that things you say earlier takes precedent over things you say later, which would suggest that you're fucking moving backwards through time or some bullshit like that. I'll say it again: you said Zrk2 was being scummy, but still didn't want to commit your unused vote. Almost as if you were trying to avoid a fucking bandwagon charge against someone you knew was nonmafia.I pointed out that what he was saying sounded fucking scummy, not that I thought he had gone so fucking far as to wrap around and be regular fucking scummy again. I'll also say again that at that fucking point, adding a vote onto him wouldn't have done or not done a fucking thing.
Was he scummy as fuck then? Yes.Fair e-fucking-nough, but do you have a better idea? Apart from the fucking obvious of lynching me for going for the easy fucking lynch, that is. You haven't done a whole fucking lot otherwise, so I'm sort of fucking curious what you think aside from that.
Has he done anything to turn it around since then? No.
Is the way you're approaching his lynch enough to give me serious fucking doubts about your intentions regarding him? Yes.
I'd point out that there are 8 players and probably at least 3 mafia left. We don't have any fucking freelynches to waste on someone who "might be a zombie". And then that you didn't advocate this course of action when other players (or indeed Ottofar) claimed zombie.Also fair e-fucking-nough, but remember that we don't absolutely fucking know Otto is a fucking zombie, and if he fucking is it's likely some sort of malicious fucking cult. So odds fucking are that we lynch lying fucking scum or figure something out about a fucking cult, or at worst fucking case should probably learn something about the game itself.
I didn't fucking bring this up when Jim claimed because he volunteered, which seemed to make it pretty fucking unlikely that he was standard cult, and also I didn't want to fucking punish people for bringing us fucking information. I think I brought it up when Otto claimed that he might have fucking planned that to get out of his fucking lynch without having to actually do what he fucking said he would, but I'm not fucking sure why I didn't go for him more then. Like I keep fucking saying, I don't think we should lynch Otto just because he's a fucking zombie, but because he's useless, scummy, possibly fucking lying, and if not likely part of a cult whose leader didn't fucking want the night rewound for some fucking reason. That's not quite as fucking good a reason as "he's definitely scum," but fuck if it isn't a decent bargain otherwise.
Post by: NativeForeigner on April 28, 2011, 11:46:07 pm
Meanwhile, Ottofar and Jokerman-EXE and Org and NativeForeigner haven't done jack shit in a while. Not that I'm expecting much out of Org, but what the fuck about the three of you fuckers? Fucking lurker dickwads. Activity's so low in this game it makes me want to not play for a week.
I've been busy as fuck with class. Been thinking about quitting this shit.
Anyfuckingway, I put most of my damn time today into fucking Vengeful.
Post by: Ottofar on April 29, 2011, 08:43:09 am
I just have my fucking piano lessons, and I'll be reading this again.
If I hear you complain I might as well quit now.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on April 29, 2011, 12:38:03 pm
Post by: Jack A T on April 29, 2011, 04:13:22 pm
Three people posting about having been busy, while not really doing anything with those posts, pisses me off and makes me wanna quit. The excuses are fucking believable, though, so meh.
So, basically, you thought he was so fucking scummy that he had to just be a bad fucking player and not a fucking scum?IronyOwl: To clarify the "Earlier In The Fucking Game" bit, how does "he's sort of passed the Noobscum/RiA Event Horizon for me" fucking mean "He's probably not scum"? Am I fucking misunderstanding it?I think you fucking are. I meant he had passed the fucking point of terrible nooby scum and entered the realm of just plain fucking bad at this. I didn't think he was a fucking jester, but I thought his scumtells were too fucking egregious to just fucking mean the obvious anymore.
Post by: IronyOwl on April 30, 2011, 04:11:10 pm
Pretty fucking much. Also I quit.So, basically, you thought he was so fucking scummy that he had to just be a bad fucking player and not a fucking scum?IronyOwl: To clarify the "Earlier In The Fucking Game" bit, how does "he's sort of passed the Noobscum/RiA Event Horizon for me" fucking mean "He's probably not scum"? Am I fucking misunderstanding it?I think you fucking are. I meant he had passed the fucking point of terrible nooby scum and entered the realm of just plain fucking bad at this. I didn't think he was a fucking jester, but I thought his scumtells were too fucking egregious to just fucking mean the obvious anymore.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 01, 2011, 01:58:33 am
That makes it easy for me to do the same.
Post by: NativeForeigner on May 01, 2011, 02:09:30 am
Like me.
Fuck you all.
Post by: Ottofar on May 01, 2011, 09:22:34 am
Post by: Jack A T on May 01, 2011, 01:20:48 pm
Ottofar: Scumpicks? Why have you been f-ing constantly talking about possibly fucking giving content, without ever giving said damn content?
NativeForeigner: Scumpicks? What are your fucking thoughts on the current arguments fucking being used against Ottofar and IronyOwl?
THIS IS STUPID.
Post by: NativeForeigner on May 01, 2011, 11:46:31 pm
NativeForeigner: Scumpicks? What are your fucking thoughts on the current arguments fucking being used against Ottofar and IronyOwl?
Ottofar's at the top of my fucking list right now because he's been posting, but he hasn't been giving any damn content.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 02, 2011, 01:24:19 am
Scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum.
Why did you give him the rose? I don't remember.
Blah blah I fucking quit etc. etc.
Post by: NativeForeigner on May 02, 2011, 02:15:14 pm
I feel the most fucking substantial arguments are those about his damn anti-prod fucking posts. They're every-fucking-where. As for that damn IronyOwl, I'm not sure what to think about the damn arguments. That's why I gave him the fucking rose, because I was having trouble fucking reading him, I wanted to see who he would pass that shit to, so it's a hot-potato timebomb tracking device as someone fucking put it.
Post by: Jack A T on May 03, 2011, 06:06:15 pm
NativeForeigner: Scumpicks? What are your fucking thoughts on the current arguments fucking being used against Ottofar and IronyOwl?
Ottofar's at the top of my fucking list right now because he's been posting, but he hasn't been giving any damn content.
Totally fucking missed the entire fucking second half of the damn question. I basically saw scumpicks and thought "I quit".
I feel the most fucking substantial arguments are those about his damn anti-prod fucking posts. They're every-fucking-where. As for that damn IronyOwl, I'm not sure what to think about the damn arguments. That's why I gave him the fucking rose, because I was having trouble fucking reading him, I wanted to see who he would pass that shit to, so it's a hot-potato timebomb tracking device as someone fucking put it.
Fucking acceptable.
And Ottofar fucking disappears again. Fucking argh..
Jim Groovester: What do you f-ing think of Leafsnail? Why?
Leafsnail: What do you f-ing think of Jim? Why?
Reason for asking: You're on the same side of the argument, and nobody's -ing talking. You haven't really shown your thoughts on each other, as far as I can f-ing remember.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 03, 2011, 06:15:07 pm
Man, if I knew that Archangel Mode applied to the mod too I would've fucking quit already.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 03, 2011, 07:15:45 pm
I pointed out that what he was saying sounded fucking scummy, not that I thought he had gone so fucking far as to wrap around and be regular fucking scummy again. I'll also say again that at that fucking point, adding a vote onto him wouldn't have done or not done a fucking thing.Your two explanations fucking contradict each other. The first seems to assume you didn't think he was scum, while the second assumes you did.
And both explanations are fucking dumb. The first means you were just making a fucking idle observation rather than actually trying to do something about the game. The second... well, it doesn't cost anything to at least fucking vote for someone you think is scum.
Fair e-fucking-nough, but do you have a better idea? Apart from the fucking obvious of lynching me for going for the easy fucking lynch, that is. You haven't done a whole fucking lot otherwise, so I'm sort of fucking curious what you think aside from that.I don't see why I need a fucking "Better idea" than lynching scum. If you mean "other suspects", currently I have fucking NativeForeigner.
Also fair e-fucking-nough, but remember that we don't absolutely fucking know Otto is a fucking zombie, and if he fucking is it's likely some sort of malicious fucking cult. So odds fucking are that we lynch lying fucking scum or figure something out about a fucking cult, or at worstI'm not sure what kind of malicious fucking cult claims publically. Probably a really fucking stupid one. This remains a terrible argument since MISLYNCHING WILL PROBABLY LOSE US THE GAME WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY "EXPERIMENT" LYNCHES.fucking case should probably learn something about the game itself.instantly lose the game.
Totally fucking missed the entire fucking second half of the damn question. I basically saw scumpicks and thought "I quit".This isn't an opinion. It's just a fucking handwave. "I'm not sure what to think about the arguments" doesn't commit in any fucking direction. It doesn't even commit to not committing. It's fucking ridiculous and you know it.
I feel the most fucking substantial arguments are those about his damn anti-prod fucking posts. They're every-fucking-where. As for that damn IronyOwl, I'm not sure what to think about the damn arguments. That's why I gave him the fucking rose, because I was having trouble fucking reading him, I wanted to see who he would pass that shit to, so it's a hot-potato timebomb tracking device as someone fucking put it.
Jim Groovester: What do you f-ing think of Leafsnail? Why?I don't see any fucking reason to suspect him. He seems to be fucking looking for scum which is more than can be said for pretty much everyone else here. Come to think of it, I should fucking quit for that reason alone.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 03, 2011, 09:21:39 pm
I thought he was fucking regular scummy earlier in the fucking day, yeah. Why are you so fucking desperate to find any excuse you possibly fucking can that I'm changing my story? It's not like I've been fucking ambiguous about it.I pointed out that what he was saying sounded fucking scummy, not that I thought he had gone so fucking far as to wrap around and be regular fucking scummy again. I'll also say again that at that fucking point, adding a vote onto him wouldn't have done or not done a fucking thing.Your two explanations fucking contradict each other. The first seems to assume you didn't think he was scum, while the second assumes you did.
And both explanations are fucking dumb. The first means you were just making a fucking idle observation rather than actually trying to do something about the game. The second... well, it doesn't cost anything to at least fucking vote for someone you think is scum.The day was fucking over by that point, buddy. Everyone wanted to fucking lynch him, and I didn't fucking agree but could certainly fucking see why.
I'm curious what you'd be fucking doing all day if I hadn't suggested we lynch Ottofar. Near as I can fucking tell the answer is make vague accusations at Native.Fair e-fucking-nough, but do you have a better idea? Apart from the fucking obvious of lynching me for going for the easy fucking lynch, that is. You haven't done a whole fucking lot otherwise, so I'm sort of fucking curious what you think aside from that.I don't see why I need a fucking "Better idea" than lynching scum. If you mean "other suspects", currently I have fucking NativeForeigner.
I already fucking explained what kind of malicious cult claims publicly: The kind that don't fucking know they're cult because this is damn near a fucking bastard.Also fair e-fucking-nough, but remember that we don't absolutely fucking know Otto is a fucking zombie, and if he fucking is it's likely some sort of malicious fucking cult. So odds fucking are that we lynch lying fucking scum or figure something out about a fucking cult, or at worstI'm not sure what kind of malicious fucking cult claims publically. Probably a really fucking stupid one. This remains a terrible argument since MISLYNCHING WILL PROBABLY LOSE US THE GAME WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY "EXPERIMENT" LYNCHES.fucking case should probably learn something about the game itself.instantly lose the game.
But oh, I'm so fucking sorry, mislynching will lose us the game. So between someone who's been scummy as fuck, lurking like fuck, useless as fuck, and is probably lying scum or malicious cult, and the guy who suggests we lynch that fucker, you want to lynch the guy who suggests we lynch that fucker. Just to be safe, you know.
It's really fucking enlightening to know what you consider a safe lynch, by the fucking way.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 03, 2011, 09:44:15 pm
But oh, I'm so fucking sorry, mislynching will lose us the game. So between someone who's been scummy as fuck, lurking like fuck, useless as fuck, and is probably lying scum or malicious cult, and the guy who suggests we lynch that fucker, you want to lynch the guy who suggests we lynch that fucker. Just to be safe, you know.
Because scum never, ever go after weak players and easy lynches.
Fuck this I quit etc.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 03, 2011, 11:30:04 pm
Because scum never, ever go after weak players and easy lynches.So you consider his fucking case on me (and assumptions about Otto) what you'd expect from a townie who thought it was MYLO?
Fuck this I quit etc.
Also I quit.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 04, 2011, 12:10:26 am
Why would the case against you be any different whether it's mylo or not? Everything looks in order from what I can tell, mylo or not.
I fucking quit etc. etc.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 04, 2011, 08:32:40 pm
I thought he was fucking regular scummy earlier in the fucking day, yeah. Why are you so fucking desperate to find any excuse you possibly fucking can that I'm changing my story? It's not like I've been fucking ambiguous about it.It's not that you've fucking changed your story. It's that your story didn't make sense even the first fucking time.
The day was fucking over by that point, buddy. Everyone wanted to fucking lynch him, and I didn't fucking agree but could certainly fucking see why.You didn't agree because you clearly had a fucking better target, right? And I guess this is the kind of disagreement you wouldn't bother sharing with anyone until challenged on it later.
It's almost as if you knew he wouldn't flip mafia and didn't want to associate yourself with the fucking lynch.
I'm curious what you'd be fucking doing all day if I hadn't suggested we lynch Ottofar. Near as I can fucking tell the answer is make vague accusations at Native.Leafsnail goes after different people based on the scumminess of their actions shock.
Seriously, this argument is terrible beyond human comprehension. I'm imagining a murderer saying "Well, if you didn't find me splattered in blood and holding a smoking revolver while standing over the victim's corpse, you'd probably just be making vague enquiries all over town".
I already fucking explained what kind of malicious cult claims publicly: The kind that don't fucking know they're cult because this is damn near a fucking bastard.So you're basically saying that since this game is bastard people who think they're town might be scum therefore we need to lynch them.
But oh, I'm so fucking sorry, mislynching will lose us the game. So between someone who's been scummy as fuck, lurking like fuck, useless as fuck, and is probably lying scum or malicious cult, and the guy who suggests we lynch that fucker, you want to lynch the guy who suggests we lynch that fucker. Just to be safe, you know.
It's really fucking enlightening to know what you consider a safe lynch, by the fucking way.
Fucking great.
Yes, mislynching will probably lose us the game. So we lynch the person who is clearly scum and who is STILL TRYING TO DEFLECT ATTENTION TO SOMEONE ELSE. I guess you're implying that Ottofar is somehow a safer lynch than you, but you have no fucking explanation for this and didn't even have a proper argument against Ottofar to start off with. I give up.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 04, 2011, 08:38:33 pm
Meanwhile, Ottofar and Jokerman-EXE and Org and NativeForeigner STILL haven't done jack shit in a while. Not that I'm expecting much out of Org, but what the fuck about the three of you fuckers? Fucking lurker dickwads. Activity's so low in this game it makes me want to not play for a week.
I've edited this for accuracy.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 04, 2011, 08:59:55 pm
Make the day able to end with a lynch instead of having the whole day do nothing.
So yeah, food first, votecount after.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 06, 2011, 04:10:57 am
Post by: Jack A T on May 06, 2011, 12:49:59 pm
Unvote, vote IronyOwl: Ottofar's aggravating me, yes, and his actions have been painful to watch, but Irony is trying too fucking hard. Apparently, the fact that someone's a fucking zombie is a good reason to think that they're fucking cult that doesn't know they're cult, and thus should be lynched. That logic is fucking amazing. If you're depending on unconfirmed bastardiness to prove that someone is a safe fucking lynch, something's wrong. Wrong, I fucking say.
I want to quit now. Quit due to the sheer fucking stupidity.
And this line is just fucking quit-inducing stupid:
I'm curious what you'd be fucking doing all day if I hadn't suggested we lynch Ottofar. Near as I can fucking tell the answer is make vague accusations at Native.
Also, that earlier "Earlier in the fucking game" thing feels fucking off, unless you're some sort of fucking time traveler.
Finally, I will have to remember to act ultra-scummy when playing with you, Irony. Obviously, that will make me so scummy I can't be scum, and must just be a bad player.
Essentially, both Ottofar and Irony are extremely high up on my scumpick list. The two of them, however, are not too likely to be partners.
Oh, and I'd be utterly fucking amused if Argembarger turns out to be fucking scum.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 06, 2011, 04:55:43 pm
Why would the case against you be any different whether it's mylo or not? Everything looks in order from what I can tell, mylo or not.His whole fucking point as to why I'm scummy, as well as why Otto's not, is that we can't afford an "experimental" lynch. He hasn't said a fucking word about it otherwise, other than to make up bullshit about how I'm changing my story*. For someone so fucking focused on the notion that we can't fuck up, say by lynching a scummy useless lurker who's likely cult or liarscum, he seems oddly fucking confident about someone else for nothing but going after the easy lynch.
*Looking back on it, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2221855#msg2221855) I'm wrong. He's been going after me for random made-up bullshit since the day started.
I thought he was fucking regular scummy earlier in the fucking day, yeah. Why are you so fucking desperate to find any excuse you possibly fucking can that I'm changing my story? It's not like I've been fucking ambiguous about it.It's not that you've fucking changed your story. It's that your story didn't make sense even the first fucking time.
Spoiler: Ob-fucking-jection (click to show/hide)
For the first sentence, I think I wanted fucking Jokerman gone. Did you know he's still theoretically playing this fucking game? Yeah, I'd forgotten about him too. Either way, you weren't doing shit at the time either except sitting on your Zrk2 vote.The day was fucking over by that point, buddy. Everyone wanted to fucking lynch him, and I didn't fucking agree but could certainly fucking see why.You didn't agree because you clearly had a fucking better target, right? And I guess this is the kind of disagreement you wouldn't bother sharing with anyone until challenged on it later.
It's almost as if you knew he wouldn't flip mafia and didn't want to associate yourself with the fucking lynch.
The second two sentences, in addition to being wrong, directly fucking contradict each other. You're trying to accuse me of either being quiet for some fucking reason, or outright making it the fuck up later, and of trying to distance myself from the fucking lynch right the fuck after each other. I'd say that's pretty nice fucking evidence that you're just tunneling at this point, you fucking scum. But sure, if you'd like more fucking wine, wouldn't I have been either more vocal about it to distance myself, or quieter to avoid the subject altogether? I honestly still don't fucking know what you're implying I was fucking trying with "not bothering sharing it."
That's got nothing to fucking do with it. It's more like what the bumbling detective would be doing if one of the suspects hadn't suggested it was another guy, which appears to be make vague fucking accusations at a third suspect and drink more fucking absinthe.I'm curious what you'd be fucking doing all day if I hadn't suggested we lynch Ottofar. Near as I can fucking tell the answer is make vague accusations at Native.Leafsnail goes after different people based on the scumminess of their actions shock.
Seriously, this argument is terrible beyond human comprehension. I'm imagining a murderer saying "Well, if you didn't find me splattered in blood and holding a smoking revolver while standing over the victim's corpse, you'd probably just be making vague enquiries all over town".
So you're basically saying that since this game is bastard people who think they're town might be scum therefore we need to lynch them.I'm saying that's fucking possible, yes. I've explained repeatedly why Ottofar's a unique case of that, so you should probably just pull your head out of your fucking ass and stop tunneling like the scum you are.
Yes, mislynching will probably lose us the game. So we lynch the person who is clearly scum and who is STILL TRYING TO DEFLECT ATTENTION TO SOMEONE ELSE. I guess you're implying that Ottofar is somehow a safer lynch than you, but you have no fucking explanation for this and didn't even have a proper argument against Ottofar to start off with. I give up.You're fucking illiterate. I've repeated this like four fucking times, and you've had nothing to fucking say about it but DURR HURR LYNCH ALL ZOMBIES BAD.
Unvote Ottofar (FUCK YOU YOU LURKING OBVSCUM PIECE OF SHIT), Vote Leafsnail. I know you're fucking scum trying to weasel in the last mislynch. That's why you're so fucking sure a mislynch will "lose" us the game- you know your own fucking numbers. That's also why your fucking strategy is tunneling- you've noticed nobody's even fucking here, and you're not gonna have to worry about any fucking reprisals tomorrow, because there's not gonna be one if you pull this off.
but Irony is trying too fucking hard.What the fuck is that even supposed to fucking mean?
Apparently, the fact that someone's a fucking zombie is a good reason to think that they're fucking cult that doesn't know they're cult, and thus should be lynched. That logic is fucking amazing. If you're depending on unconfirmed bastardiness to prove that someone is a safe fucking lynch, something's wrong. Wrong, I fucking say.You fucking too? I've explained this shit several fucking times, I don't know what the fuck is so fucking hard about it.
Ottofar was fucking turned on the night he was going to rewind it. This prevented him from rewinding it like he said he would. We fucking clear so far? This leaves three fucking possibilities:
1. It's random, and he just fucking happened to be the target. Unlikely, wouldn't you fucking say?
2. He was intentionally turned by a cult leader or some shit. A cult leader who didn't want the night rewound. Probably malicious, wouldn't you fucking say?
3. He's lying to get out of the fucking noose without delivering. Obviously malicious, wouldn't you fucking say?
Now what about this is so fucking hard to grasp?
And this line is just fucking quit-inducing stupid:Do fucking go on.I'm curious what you'd be fucking doing all day if I hadn't suggested we lynch Ottofar. Near as I can fucking tell the answer is make vague accusations at Native.
Also, that earlier "Earlier in the fucking game" thing feels fucking off, unless you're some sort of fucking time traveler.Jesus fucking Christ, are you trying to copy Leafsnail's bullshit? He at least bothered to explain that shit.
Finally, I will have to remember to act ultra-scummy when playing with you, Irony. Obviously, that will make me so scummy I can't be scum, and must just be a bad player.If you fucking disagreed, you'd be helping to lynch the people who haven't posted at all in several fucking days for blatant lurking. Obviously, you seem to fucking agree there's a point at which it's too fucking much to just mean they're fucking scum.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 06, 2011, 05:19:27 pm
Why would the case against you be any different whether it's mylo or not? Everything looks in order from what I can tell, mylo or not.His whole fucking point as to why I'm scummy, as well as why Otto's not, is that we can't afford an "experimental" lynch. He hasn't said a fucking word about it otherwise, other than to make up bullshit about how I'm changing my story*. For someone so fucking focused on the notion that we can't fuck up, say by lynching a scummy useless lurker who's likely cult or liarscum, he seems oddly fucking confident about someone else for nothing but going after the easy lynch.
*Looking back on it, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2221855#msg2221855) I'm wrong. He's been going after me for random made-up bullshit since the day started.
This doesn't really answer my question, and you're just regurgitating the same bullshit spiel you've been saying for the whole day.
It's okay, though. The question was rhetorical anyway.
Either way, you weren't doing shit at the time either except sitting on your Zrk2 vote.
Ho, man. This is golden. Yeah, sure, Leafsnail wasn't doing anything except lynching the serial killer.
What were you doing?
Oh, right. Even less.
You know what you and Michael Jordan have in common?
Haaaangtiiiiime.
Fuck this game I fucking quit etc. etc.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 06, 2011, 06:19:09 pm
MEAL
EVER
Doing votecount now.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 06, 2011, 06:23:36 pm
Argembarger - 0 -
IronyOwl - 3 - Ottofar Jack_A_T Jim_Groovester
Jack A T - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Jokerman-EXE - 0 -
Leafsnail - 1 - IronyOwl
NativeForeigner - 1 - Leafsnail
Org - 0 -
Ottofar - 1 - NativeForeigner
Not Voting: Argembarger Jokerman-EXE Org
Day ends Monday at 9 PM Pacific. Hammer is at 7.
This day is governed by the Laws:
Demand: Archangel Mode
Well that was fast.
Post by: Jack A T on May 06, 2011, 06:25:35 pm
"Trying too fucking hard": You could've stuck with definite, strong evidence against Ottofar: he fucking lurked, fucking OMGUSed, fucking talked about delivering content without delivering it, and the only reason he survived was because of an action he never fucking did. And he was scummy fucking before. Instead, you go off and say he must be either cult or scum because he's a zombie and zombies must be soopersecret fucking cult. That's trying too fucking hard to paint the guy as definite scum.
"Three fucking possibilities": What exactly is it that convinces you so completely that a cult fucking exists? Isn't there the possibility that, y'know, some mafioso-fucker has a role-removing ability? Trying to bring it down to three possibilities by ignoring all others is not a smart fucking idea! Also, I love how, after claiming that there's no fucking way Ottofar could be anything but cult or scum, you give a possibility that allows him to be shitty town.
"Do fucking go on": "I wonder what would fucking have happened if I hadn't done something you saw as fucking scummy? As far as I can tell, you would merely have been fucking scumhunting and targeting the person you saw as scummiest at the fucking time, and that's fucking bad."
And finally...
"If you fucking disagreed, you'd be helping to lynch the people who haven't posted at all in several fucking days for blatant lurking. Obviously, you seem to fucking agree there's a point at which it's too fucking much to just mean they're fucking scum."
...ARE YOU FUCKING IGNORING MY FUCKING POST, FUCKER!?!
Essentially, both Ottofar and Irony are extremely high up on my scumpick list.
PPE: ...WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT VOTECOUNT YOU GOT VOTES WRONG AND STUFF.
Post by: Jack A T on May 06, 2011, 06:29:13 pm
*Jim is fucking voting Irony. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2221883#msg2221883)
Or is something messing with your fucking votecount, Fuckersenic?
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 06, 2011, 06:33:48 pm
Post by: Jack A T on May 06, 2011, 06:35:08 pm
<_< No mention of that I left everyone listed as "0 votes"?
YOU DID THAT TO!?! UFCK YUO!
Post by: IronyOwl on May 06, 2011, 06:40:34 pm
This doesn't really answer my question, and you're just regurgitating the same bullshit spiel you've been saying for the whole day.That does answer your fucking question. It'd be different at MYLO because his entire case is built around it being MYLO.
It's okay, though. The question was rhetorical anyway.
Ho, man. This is golden. Yeah, sure, Leafsnail wasn't doing anything except lynching the serial killer.Good, then we fucking agree it was alright to be doing nothing at that point. Glad we cleared that the fuck up.
What were you doing?
Oh, right. Even less.
I am not fucking going to fucking stuggle with quoting your last post, Irony, so...Quoting it I can kind of fucking see, but why exactly was it too fucking hard to read the fucking thing? I fucking explained why he's probably cult or scum, multiple times, and in explicit detail at least once. There's only one real reason I can think of for this bullshit, and it involves Leafsnail.
"Trying too fucking hard": You could've stuck with definite, strong evidence against Ottofar: he fucking lurked, fucking OMGUSed, fucking talked about delivering content without delivering it, and the only reason he survived was because of an action he never fucking did. And he was scummy fucking before. Instead, you go off and say he must be either cult or scum because he's a zombie and zombies must be soopersecret fucking cult. That's trying too fucking hard to paint the guy as definite scum.
"Three fucking possibilities": What exactly is it that convinces you so completely that a cult fucking exists? Isn't there the possibility that, y'know, some mafioso-fucker has a role-removing ability? Trying to bring it down to three possibilities by ignoring all others is not a smart fucking idea! Also, I love how, after claiming that there's no fucking way Ottofar could be anything but cult or scum, you give a possibility that allows him to be shitty town.That fucking occurred to me, but what kind of fucking role would have a multiple-use permanent neutralizer like that?
I also fucking love how after I've repeatedly explained it, you completely missed the fucking fact that his obvcultscumness actually isn't fucking tied to his regular scumminess. Nice tunneling there, did Leafsnail tell you it was okay to hop on now?
"Do fucking go on": "I wonder what would fucking have happened if I hadn't done something you saw as fucking scummy? As far as I can tell, you would merely have been fucking scumhunting and targeting the person you saw as scummiest at the fucking time, and that's fucking bad."I have been unim-fucking-pressed with his scumhunting on Native. Have you been impressed by it?
"If you fucking disagreed, you'd be helping to lynch the people who haven't posted at all in several fucking days for blatant lurking. Obviously, you seem to fucking agree there's a point at which it's too fucking much to just mean they're fucking scum."BZZZZRT, you are once again a fucking dumbass! Ottofar's at least posted today (game-day, obvious-fucking-ly), and you've said jack-all about Jokerman. Org can be fucking excused because he's a fucking jester, but right now Jokerman should be at the tip top of your fucking list. But he's not, so, shit, I guess you agree with me. OOPS.
...ARE YOU FUCKING IGNORING MY FUCKING POST, FUCKER!?!
Day ends Monday at 9 PM Pacific. Hammer is at 7.Actual-Monday or Pandar-time Monday?
And yeah, fuck this vote count bullshit. Unvote Leafsnail, votecount please.
NINJA'D:
<_< No mention of that I left everyone listed as "0 votes"?FUCK.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 06, 2011, 06:42:55 pm
Leafsnail again.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 06, 2011, 06:45:53 pm
This doesn't really answer my question, and you're just regurgitating the same bullshit spiel you've been saying for the whole day.That does answer your fucking question. It'd be different at MYLO because his entire case is built around it being MYLO.
It's okay, though. The question was rhetorical anyway.
No it isn't. That's a fucking lie.
It's the same argument whether it's mylo or not. The only part of it that has anything to do with mylo is that Leafsnail's saying we shouldn't lynch Ottofar just to see what happens because we don't have lynches to waste.
Stop fucking lying you fucking lying piece of lying shit.
Post by: Jack A T on May 06, 2011, 07:10:27 pm
I am not fucking going to fucking stuggle with quoting your last post, Irony, so...Quoting it I can kind of fucking see, but why exactly was it too fucking hard to read the fucking thing? I fucking explained why he's probably cult or scum, multiple times, and in explicit detail at least once. There's only one real reason I can think of for this bullshit, and it involves Leafsnail.
"Trying too fucking hard": You could've stuck with definite, strong evidence against Ottofar: he fucking lurked, fucking OMGUSed, fucking talked about delivering content without delivering it, and the only reason he survived was because of an action he never fucking did. And he was scummy fucking before. Instead, you go off and say he must be either cult or scum because he's a zombie and zombies must be soopersecret fucking cult. That's trying too fucking hard to paint the guy as definite scum."Three fucking possibilities": What exactly is it that convinces you so completely that a cult fucking exists? Isn't there the possibility that, y'know, some mafioso-fucker has a role-removing ability? Trying to bring it down to three possibilities by ignoring all others is not a smart fucking idea! Also, I love how, after claiming that there's no fucking way Ottofar could be anything but cult or scum, you give a possibility that allows him to be shitty town.That fucking occurred to me, but what kind of fucking role would have a multiple-use permanent neutralizer like that?
I also fucking love how after I've repeatedly explained it, you completely missed the fucking fact that his obvcultscumness actually isn't fucking tied to his regular scumminess. Nice tunneling there, did Leafsnail tell you it was okay to hop on now?
"Fucking role": Okay, so far we've lost a bunch of fucktownies, the fuckmod, a fuckserial fuckiller, and whatever fuckMr. fuckPerson was. There is the possibility of a smaller, more powerful fuckscumteam. Or some non-fuckcult third fuckparty. Hey, that wouldn't be as powerful as a fuckcult.
...Actually, I did notice that your two ends of fuckscumminess weren't tied together. That's why I said "allows him to be" instead of "makes him". He's still fuckscummy, as I seem to be repeatedly saying. Just not as fucking fuckscummy as you, in my eyes.
Not extremely impressed, but it was still solid-feeling. There's a reason I fucking swore at fucking Native when he complained about me not fucking contributing when I had fucking contributed."Do fucking go on": "I wonder what would fucking have happened if I hadn't done something you saw as fucking scummy? As far as I can tell, you would merely have been fucking scumhunting and targeting the person you saw as scummiest at the fucking time, and that's fucking bad."I have been unim-fucking-pressed with his scumhunting on Native. Have you been impressed by it?
Ah, so you weren't trying to fucking push me towards voting Ottofar again. Fucker."If you fucking disagreed, you'd be helping to lynch the people who haven't posted at all in several fucking days for blatant lurking. Obviously, you seem to fucking agree there's a point at which it's too fucking much to just mean they're fucking scum."BZZZZRT, you are once again a fucking dumbass! Ottofar's at least posted today (game-day, obvious-fucking-ly), and you've said jack-all about Jokerman. Org can be fucking excused because he's a fucking jester, but right now Jokerman should be at the tip top of your fucking list. But he's not, so, shit, I guess you agree with me. OOPS.
...ARE YOU FUCKING IGNORING MY FUCKING POST, FUCKER!?!
..."YOU ARE NOT FOCUSED ON THE FUCKING LURKERS, SO YOU MUST AGREE WITH ME AND BE SCUM. FUCKER." Wow, that was stupid, Irony. You seem to be convinced that, because I'm not targeting Jokerman, and instead am targeting the people who have done other major scummy actions (in addition to fucking lurking, in Ottofar's case), I must fucking agree with you. Guess what? YOU'RE A FUCKING DUMBASS. There are bigger scumtells than being a lurking bastard. For example, being an OMGUSing, useless, scummy bastard who was conveniently zombified like Ottofar. Or being a player who decides to go beyond the facts into nonsensical WIFOMy accusations of cultscumitude and assumptions of bastard elements, while misrepresenting the arguments given against him, and giving stupid arguments against those who fucking accuse him, like...YOU.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 06, 2011, 09:35:21 pm
The only part of it that has anything to do with mylo is that Leafsnail's saying we shouldn't lynch Ottofar just to see what happens because we don't have lynches to waste.That's fucking all of it, or at least all of it that isn't fucking made up. He admits Ottofar's scummy as fuck but still thinks lynching him is a scummy idea, with the only reasons given for this being "we don't have room to experiment" and some fucking strawman about zombies != scum.
"Fucking role": Okay, so far we've lost a bunch of fucktownies, the fuckmod, a fuckserial fuckiller, and whatever fuckMr. fuckPerson was. There is the possibility of a smaller, more powerful fuckscumteam. Or some non-fuckcult third fuckparty. Hey, that wouldn't be as powerful as a fuckcult.I'd consider a fucking cult far more likely than a much smaller, secondary fucking scumteam, especially one that worked like that. I also have no fucking idea what kind of noncult third fucking party would do that, at least not in a fucking game where we've already got a fucking SK. And for that fucking matter, we've already lost a "mod," so I'd think we're either in fucking crazytown or running out of fucking third parties here.
...Actually, I did notice that your two ends of fuckscumminess weren't tied together. That's why I said "allows him to be" instead of "makes him". He's still fuckscummy, as I seem to be repeatedly saying. Just not as fucking fuckscummy as you, in my eyes.I slightly fucking misread that the first fucking time. I never said he absolutely fucking can't be anything but cult or scum, but it seems incredibly fucking unlikely. What fucking part of pointing that out seems scummier than saying he absolutely has to be all the way through?
There are bigger scumtells than being a lurking bastard. For example, being an OMGUSing, useless, scummy bastard who was conveniently zombified like Ottofar.You think not posting at all is less of a fucking scumtell- again, on its own merits, not assuming any of the obvious other explanations- than posting poorly? Wouldn't scum rather lurk completely than pop in to say "usuk, fuck u, imma OMGUS" and then lurk completely?
Furthermore, if you don't fucking disagree with any of the fucking points I have against Ottofar, what the fuck makes you think I'm scummy? You're going on and fucking on about how swearing he must be scum makes me scum, then you fucking agree that his zombification is suspicious?
Or being a player who decides to go beyond the facts into nonsensical WIFOMy accusations of cultscumitude and assumptions of bastard elements, while misrepresenting the arguments given against him, and giving stupid arguments against those who fucking accuse him, like...YOU.Point out what fucking nonsensical accusations I've made.
Then point out where I've used any fucking WIFOM, beyond theorizing about something that isn't known for a fucking fact.
Then point out where I've made scummy fucking assumptions of bastard elements, or used them in a scummy fucking way.
Then explain how I'm "misrepresenting" the arguments given against me, because fucking frankly I think you and Leafsnail are the ones fucking doing that.
Finally explain why my fucking arguments against you, Leafsnail, and Jim (and Otto?) are stupid. I know that's what you've been fucking trying to do, but it's not working very fucking well.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 06, 2011, 10:18:44 pm
The only part of it that has anything to do with mylo is that Leafsnail's saying we shouldn't lynch Ottofar just to see what happens because we don't have lynches to waste.That's fucking all of it, or at least all of it that isn't fucking made up. He admits Ottofar's scummy as fuck but still thinks lynching him is a scummy idea, with the only reasons given for this being "we don't have room to experiment" and some fucking strawman about zombies != scum.
IronyOwl Defense Guide as Scum:
1. Misrepresent all arguments against you.
2. Never directly answer a question.
3. Outright lie.
How about you answer my accusation about you lying.
Because you are lying. And if you're not lying, then you're being incredibly fucking disingenuous.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 07, 2011, 05:04:27 am
Post by: Jack A T on May 07, 2011, 12:48:00 pm
I worded that fucking terribly. What I meant was that the fuckscumteam would be smaller than normal for this fucking player number, but each fuckmember would be more fuckpowerful. Fuck."Fucking role": Okay, so far we've lost a bunch of fucktownies, the fuckmod, a fuckserial fuckiller, and whatever fuckMr. fuckPerson was. There is the possibility of a smaller, more powerful fuckscumteam. Or some non-fuckcult third fuckparty. Hey, that wouldn't be as powerful as a fuckcult.I'd consider a fucking cult far more likely than a much smaller, secondary fucking scumteam, especially one that worked like that. I also have no fucking idea what kind of noncult third fucking party would do that, at least not in a fucking game where we've already got a fucking SK. And for that fucking matter, we've already lost a "mod," so I'd think we're either in fucking crazytown or running out of fucking third parties here.
The fact that you felt that you had to go for a fucking WIFOMy assumption of bastarditude to show that the guy, if he isn't fuckscum, is fuckcult. Fuck....Actually, I did notice that your two ends of fuckscumminess weren't tied together. That's why I said "allows him to be" instead of "makes him". He's still fuckscummy, as I seem to be repeatedly saying. Just not as fucking fuckscummy as you, in my eyes.I slightly fucking misread that the first fucking time. I never said he absolutely fucking can't be anything but cult or scum, but it seems incredibly fucking unlikely. What fucking part of pointing that out seems scummier than saying he absolutely has to be all the way through?
Quick question: If the fuckOrg fuckzombieness can be fuckconfirmed, would you advocate fucklynching him? Not over fuckOtto or fuckLeafsnail or fuckJim or fuckMe, but still, would he end up on your list of fuckpeople to fucklynch? Fuck.
Not posting at all: Jokerman did actually fucking post a couple times this game day. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2231864#msg2231864) They were fucking shitty crap posts, though, and barely even count as posts. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=78826.msg2220329#msg2220329) He has, however, largely disappeared off the face of the forum, with the occasional rare, fucking short post. In my fucking opinion, fucklurking is a major scumtell, yes, but how major it is depends on how fucking active the fucker is elsewhere on the fuckforum. Ottofar is fucking active on the fuckforum. Jokerman is barely doing anything on the fucking forum.There are bigger scumtells than being a lurking bastard. For example, being an OMGUSing, useless, scummy bastard who was conveniently zombified like Ottofar.You think not posting at all is less of a fucking scumtell- again, on its own merits, not assuming any of the obvious other explanations- than posting poorly? Wouldn't scum rather lurk completely than pop in to say "usuk, fuck u, imma OMGUS" and then lurk completely?
Furthermore, if you don't fucking disagree with any of the fucking points I have against Ottofar, what the fuck makes you think I'm scummy? You're going on and fucking on about how swearing he must be scum makes me scum, then you fucking agree that his zombification is suspicious?
Lack of disagreement with points: I do think the zombification is suspicious...because it's overly convenient. You think that too, but also, for some reason, brought in some nonsense about cult that doesn't know it is cult and unconfirmed bastarditude. THAT is where we strongly disagree. And THIS is a great example of you misrepresenting my arguments. Fuck.
I'm going to be fucking lazy here, and just say REREAD MY FUCKING POSTS. Better yet, REREAD THE FUCKING DAY. Fuck. Also, stop trying to get me to fucking defend fucking Leafsnail and Jim, fucker. Fuck.Or being a player who decides to go beyond the facts into nonsensical WIFOMy accusations of cultscumitude and assumptions of bastard elements, while misrepresenting the arguments given against him, and giving stupid arguments against those who fucking accuse him, like...YOU.Point out what fucking nonsensical accusations I've made.
Then point out where I've used any fucking WIFOM, beyond theorizing about something that isn't known for a fucking fact.
Then point out where I've made scummy fucking assumptions of bastard elements, or used them in a scummy fucking way.
Then explain how I'm "misrepresenting" the arguments given against me, because fucking frankly I think you and Leafsnail are the ones fucking doing that.
Finally explain why my fucking arguments against you, Leafsnail, and Jim (and Otto?) are stupid. I know that's what you've been fucking trying to do, but it's not working very fucking well.
Vote count didn't change, did it?No change. Fuck.
Fuck.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 07, 2011, 09:44:20 pm
It's not that you've fucking changed your story. It's that your story didn't make sense even the first fucking time.It's funny, because both of these quotes show me tearing your original story apart, not accusing you of changing that story. I'm actually impressed with how belligerently you're sticking to your story, even if it is fucking awful.Spoiler: Ob-fucking-jection (click to show/hide)For the first sentence, I think I wanted fucking Jokerman gone. Did you know he's still theoretically playing this fucking game? Yeah, I'd forgotten about him too. Either way, you weren't doing shit at the time either except sitting on your Zrk2 vote.While you were apparently not sitting on your (completely unmentioned as of then) Jokerman suspicion, apparently.The second two sentences, in addition to being wrong, directly fucking contradict each other. You're trying to accuse me of either being quiet for some fucking reason, or outright making it the fuck up later, and of trying to distance myself from the fucking lynch right the fuck after each other. I'd say that's pretty nice fucking evidence that you're just tunneling at this point, you fucking scum. But sure, if you'd like more fucking wine, wouldn't I have been either more vocal about it to distance myself, or quieter to avoid the subject altogether? I honestly still don't fucking know what you're implying I was fucking trying with "not bothering sharing it."I meant "Not sharing it with the town". As in, you didn't voice the objection you fucking claim you had to Zrk2 being lynched at the time.
How does this square with not wanting to be associated with his lynch? Well, the thing about mafia is they fucking want town to be lynched. So the ideal way to approach it is to completely fucking ignore the townie lynch when it's happening, then retroactively say you had nothing to do with it and the people on it were fucking scummy. Only this didn't work since Zrk2 flipped serial killer (although judging by this post you STILL want to use that to fucking discredit me).That's got nothing to fucking do with it. It's more like what the bumbling detective would be doing if one of the suspects hadn't suggested it was another guy, which appears to be make vague fucking accusations at a third suspect and drink more fucking absinthe.If scum didn't reveal itself to me I would've fucking looked for scum, and probably still arrived at you anyway because you are fucking obvscum.You're fucking illiterate. I've repeated this like four fucking times, and you've had nothing to fucking say about it but DURR HURR LYNCH ALL ZOMBIES BAD.THIS IS PROBABLY MYLO
WE LYNCH PEOPLE BASED ON WHETHER THEY'RE SCUM OR NOT
ZOMBIES HAVE ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING TO DO WITH THISUnvote Ottofar (FUCK YOU YOU LURKING OBVSCUM PIECE OF SHIT), Vote Leafsnail. I know you're fucking scum trying to weasel in the last mislynch. That's why you're so fucking sure a mislynch will "lose" us the game- you know your own fucking numbers. That's also why your fucking strategy is tunneling- you've noticed nobody's even fucking here, and you're not gonna have to worry about any fucking reprisals tomorrow, because there's not gonna be one if you pull this off.Apparently being able to count and guessing the number of mafia members based on previous games with 15 people makes you scum now. Also, painfully fucking obvious OMGUS, I quit etc.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 07, 2011, 11:54:08 pm
I.E., Jokerman-EXE, NativeForeigner, Ottofar, Org.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on May 08, 2011, 02:00:12 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 08, 2011, 02:45:32 am
What? Fuck you, I'm here. I'm just playing by the new rule, d00d. Fuck you and leave me alone or I quit.
I thought the Archangel wasn't supposed to admit he was the Archangel on pain of modkill.
One player has randomly been selected to be the Archangel. The Archangel is not permitted to inform others of being the Archangel on pain of modkill.
Fuck this I quit etc.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on May 08, 2011, 09:55:58 pm
I quit or whatever.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 09, 2011, 03:05:58 am
Post by: IronyOwl on May 09, 2011, 04:27:47 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 09, 2011, 05:03:35 pm
I'm so fucking tired of playing this game I just want to quit.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 09, 2011, 06:00:39 pm
So I quit. For real.
I am a survivor. Yeah yeah, Scum Lite, but I've been pretty benign to town. Also I wish I had a fucking team to fuck over with that claim, but I don't. Fuck.
Anyway, D1 I was pretty townie, as you might have fucking noticed. D2 I realized I'd get fucking NK'd if I didn't fucking shut up, so I basically just lurked. I was fucking serious about not thinking Zrk2 was scum, though.
D3 I forget what I was fucking thinking exactly, but I was going after Ottofar for the stated fucking reasons, not just to push a lynch through and get this shit over with.
I do think Jim is fucking scum. That's why I was going after him earlier in the game but then backed off when he refused to explain why he thought someone was town- I didn't want to fucking piss him off.
I also think Leafsnail is tunneling scum. He's been going after me all day for anything he can get his hands on, including contra-fucking-dictory accusations, starting with not being on the fucking bandwagon earlier. He's grasping for any excuse he can get to say "Look at him, he's different!"
Anyway, that's my fucking guess, which I'm sharing because I'm probably fucking fucked anyway and have a fairly townish bent by default. Bear in mind that if it was MYLO, it's actually LYLO because you're already down a townie. You might want to fucking consider lynching someone else.
Anyway, unvote Leafsnail. I'm just gonna sit in the corner and hope to not fucking die now. Shoulda done that from the fucking start.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 09, 2011, 06:12:48 pm
Yeah, I don't think there's any way we can lynch anyone other thanZrk2IronyOwl today. The real thing that's changed is that he's now guaranteed not to be a townie.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 09, 2011, 06:27:29 pm
Actually, I do have one thing I can offer the town (or more likely, the active scum). My only ability is to draw a target's action to myself. If you don't lynch me I could use it on a target of your choice. I don't imagine it would do much, especially since none of you seem to think the zombies are a problem, but it's there if you want it.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 09, 2011, 06:28:12 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on May 09, 2011, 08:19:00 pm
Yeah, that's about what I fucking figured. Of course, MYLO -1 Townie = LYLO, as I've said, so if you were town you'd basically be potentially throwing away the game in your own eyes by lynching anyone except me who is guaranteed to not be a townie.This statement is very interesting. The parts you've missed out are bolded.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 09, 2011, 08:20:40 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 09, 2011, 09:48:12 pm
Decent chance is still better than a fucking guarantee.Yeah, that's about what I fucking figured. Of course, MYLO -1 Townie = LYLO, as I've said, so if you were town you'd basically be potentially throwing away the game in your own eyes by lynching anyone except me who is guaranteed to not be a townie.This statement is very interesting. The parts you've missed out are bolded.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 09, 2011, 10:04:00 pm
Normally I'd just ask Jim and Leaf if they wanted to deal, but they don't have any fucking reason to; I'll suffice for winning them the game, and doing so without admitting anything in the process.
Jack AT, I'm pretty sure you're the only active townie around. If so, you'd better get in here real fucking fast.
Native, now's the time to unlurk. It's the end of the fucking game, man.
Jokerman, you need to fucking get in here now, mode or no.
Org, if I get lynched you won't be. Fucking help and I'll try to get you lynched?
Man, fuck this game. I know last night lasted a fucking month, but still, this is fucking disgraceful. If fitting, for this particular day's... conditions.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 09, 2011, 10:07:15 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 09, 2011, 10:07:32 pm
Post by: Jack A T on May 09, 2011, 11:06:45 pm
Jack AT, I'm pretty sure you're the only active townie around. If so, you'd better get in here real fucking fast.
Good to see I've gone from being a fucking obvious minion of fuckLeafsnail to being the Only Active Townie Around. Bit of a rapid and huge fucking change of opinion, isn't it? I'm certain you're not going for a quick bit of support to not get lynched. Yeah, I don't exactly fucking trust you, sorry. Fuck.
Thing is, you're either a fucking survivor, in which case you're either not exactly pro-town (but not a good lynch right now), or a fucking scumbag trying to get out of fucking being lynched. I'm leaning towards the latter. Fuck.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 09, 2011, 11:46:02 pm
Good to see I've gone from being a fucking obvious minion of fuckLeafsnail to being the Only Active Townie Around. Bit of a rapid and huge fucking change of opinion, isn't it? I'm certain you're not going for a quick bit of support to not get lynched. Yeah, I don't exactly fucking trust you, sorry. Fuck.As I fucking recall, you copied Leafsnail without even bothering to explain it like he fucking did, so I called you on it, then make remarks about being Leafsnail's scumbuddy for a couple related fucking reasons. You'll notice there were a couple fucking posts between then and now where I didn't say you were fucking scum. Not that I know you're not, but I've been getting a fucking townie vibe from you.
Thing is, you're either a fucking survivor, in which case you're either not exactly pro-town (but not a good lynch right now)No, if I'm a fucking survivor I'm not exactly pro-town but lynching me will lose the fucking game, unless there's only two scum left.
or a fucking scumbag trying to get out of fucking being lynched. I'm leaning towards the latter. Fuck.Fuck man, you think I'd be fucking desperate enough to avoid being lynched as scum that I'd call on fucking Org for help? Buddying you and calling Jim and Leaf scum I could fucking see, but there'd be no fucking reason to flail this fucking much if I had a team in a game this fucking lurky.
Post by: Jack A T on May 10, 2011, 12:00:40 am
More very fucking soon. Fuck.
Post by: Jack A T on May 10, 2011, 12:16:16 am
Unvote.
This brings me to my most major fuckscum fuckpick: FuckfuckOttofar. I've stated my reasons already today, but to fucking summarize: lurky, OMGUFuckingSing, promises of content without fucking content, and having barely survived previous scummy behaviour in the first place through an unfulfilled promise. I doubt he's cult, though, which is where we strongly fucking disagree. But he is the least risky lynch, in my fucking opinion: extremely high scum chance, and strong links to certain other fucking players.
Let's put it this way, Leafsnail: this ain't an experiment lynch. This is a FUCK THE SCUM lynch. This is a Town Must Survive lynch.
Also, Jokerfuckman: I doubt you're supposed to act like Archfuckangel like that fucking way. No more fucking lurking, fucker. Same with you, Nativefucker.
I am so fucking dead now. Fuck.
Post by: Jack A T on May 10, 2011, 12:23:54 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 10, 2011, 12:41:30 am
IronyOwl, why the fucking fuck did you take first crack at Ottofar if you were a survivor? I mean, let's say you are. Who gives a flying fuck whether he's a lurking scumfuck or not. Why did you bother at all? Why did you push for that lynch?
And that's why I think you're fakeclaiming. Because you're a fucking retarded survivor if you actually are one.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 10, 2011, 12:47:16 am
IronyOwl, why the fucking fuck did you take first crack at Ottofar if you were a survivor? I mean, let's say you are. Who gives a flying fuck whether he's a lurking scumfuck or not. Why did you bother at all? Why did you push for that lynch?I didn't want to lurk for another fucking day, and was somewhat fucking concerned about the possibility of a fucking cult. As I've said, I was also playing survivor relatively fucking town-friendly, which I knew wasn't especially fucking wise but Otto was a pretty fucking serious case.
And that's why I think you're fakeclaiming. Because you're a fucking retarded survivor if you actually are one.I'm afraid I can't fucking deny this. Never been fucking survivor before, fucked it up fucking royally. Couldn't fucking manage being middle of the fucking road like I assume I should have been, instead was townie D1, lurky D2, and straight-up fucked up D3.
So yes, if I'd had my fucking shit together I'd have bandwagoned Zrk2 and milked the fucking mode for all its worth, instead of deciding he was probably fucking noobtown and trying to go after someone I thought was fucking dangerous.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 10, 2011, 12:59:48 am
Wait, actually, no it doesn't. Not being experienced at a particular role you claimed is no excuse at all for all your scummyfucking behavior.
Good enough for fucking me. Unvote Leafsnail, vote Ottofar. I do fucking apologize if this ends in a no-lynch, but you were fucking fucked anyway.
Oh, no need for an apology. It's no problem 'tall.
You fucking piece of shit. Morons like you make me want to quit.
Post by: Jack A T on May 10, 2011, 01:19:31 am
Unvote again. Vote Irony. Again. This is getting ridiculous. Did some more rereading. Looked at your claim more carefully. Let's see...
*Whoa, whoa, whoa, you're claiming IDIOT survivor? As in, you're defending yourself by calling yourself an incompetent survivor? I find this hard to trust.
*Whoa, whoa, whoa, you were assuming I was Leafsnail's flunky two serious posts before your survivor claim, and one post before your survivor claim, you tried to get me to defend EVERYONE. Back to finding your flip there off.
*Whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm finding fucking incompetent survivor to be a fucking good-sounding fuckscum fuckclaim. Fuck.
Fuck this, everyone's feeling like fucking scum now. If I didn't know fucking better, I'd be thinking I'm the only fucking townie here.
FUCK THIS. FUCK EVERYONE. I AM A WAFFLE.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 10, 2011, 01:58:46 am
Wait, actually, no it doesn't. Not being experienced at a particular role you claimed is no excuse at all for all your scummyfucking behavior.Doesn't explain my townfucking behavior either. Sort of explains my bipolar fucking mixture of the two, though.
*Whoa, whoa, whoa, you're claiming IDIOT survivor? As in, you're defending yourself by calling yourself an incompetent survivor? I find this hard to trust.I'd say it's pretty fucking obvious that whatever I am, I fucked it up. I was pretty fucking good at being townie D1 and lurking D2, but that's not how a fucking survivor should act- I should have been fucking unremarkable, middle of the road, let's-not-NK-or-lynch-him. Late D2 wasn't too bad, except that I should have been voting Zrk2 like every-fucking-one else.
*Whoa, whoa, whoa, you were assuming I was Leafsnail's flunky two serious posts before your survivor claim, and one post before your survivor claim, you tried to get me to defend EVERYONE. Back to finding your flip there off.I wasn't trying to get you to defend everyone, I was trying to get you to explain what your own fucking words were. You were the one who said my attacks on them were fucking garbage, so you should have been able to fucking explain why.
*Whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm finding fucking incompetent survivor to be a fucking good-sounding fuckscum fuckclaim. Fuck.It fucking is, but only at LYLO and if you've got the fucking behavior to back it up. If you can think of a better fucking reason why I'd be all active D1, fucking lurk to high heaven D2, and then go after fucking Otto D3 but kind of do it half-assed, let's fucking hear it.
I mean, just look at my fucking handling of Zrk2. If I was fucking scum, I would have bandwagoned him or set myself up to accuse one of his fucking bandwagoners afterwards. Instead I sat there and said "he's probably a fucking noob, oh well."
Fuck this, everyone's feeling like fucking scum now. If I didn't know fucking better, I'd be thinking I'm the only fucking townie here.Good, you're in fucking LYLO mode.
FUCK THIS. FUCK EVERYONE. I AM A WAFFLE.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 10, 2011, 10:14:46 am
No, if I'm a fucking survivor I'm not exactly pro-town but lynching me will lose the fucking game, unless there's only two scum left.It's funny, because if you actually were a survivor and there were 3 scum left you would've already all voted Org and won. Man, this is difficult to explain. It's almost as if you're not a survivor at all.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 10, 2011, 02:46:23 pm
And scum would work with me on this why? Oh right, because they've already got me in the noose and don't really care.No, if I'm a fucking survivor I'm not exactly pro-town but lynching me will lose the fucking game, unless there's only two scum left.It's funny, because if you actually were a survivor and there were 3 scum left you would've already all voted Org and won. Man, this is difficult to explain. It's almost as if you're not a survivor at all.
Wait, no.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 10, 2011, 02:46:54 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on May 10, 2011, 04:25:58 pm
And scum would work with me on this why? Oh right, because they've already got me in the noose and don't really care.Because you're basically a fucking mafia-ally unless the town is doing very fucking well (it isn't).
Post by: IronyOwl on May 10, 2011, 04:42:05 pm
Why would that fucking matter if they're already going to win? Unless they feel like being especially fucking generous and making every-fucking-body win with them that they can, they've got no fucking motivation to out themselves for my fucking sake. If they knew I was a fucking survivor from the very fucking start sure, but at this point?And scum would work with me on this why? Oh right, because they've already got me in the noose and don't really care.Because you're basically a fucking mafia-ally unless the town is doing very fucking well (it isn't).
Post by: Jack A T on May 10, 2011, 05:51:17 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 10, 2011, 08:12:05 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 10, 2011, 08:16:16 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 10, 2011, 08:32:02 pm
I think he means the start of the day. Why didn't you claim then and go for the win with mafia and jester?It didn't fucking occur to me then. I wasn't even thinking it was MYLO at fucking first; I just figured, you know, Day 3. It was only after fucking Leafsnail kept fucking saying it that I went back and was like, wait, fuck, he's fucking right maybe.
Can't tell if you guys want an extension or not....By the fucking way, have you fucking prodded everyone who's supposedly still in this fucking game?
Post by: Leafsnail on May 10, 2011, 08:33:07 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 10, 2011, 09:50:41 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 11, 2011, 12:25:21 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 11, 2011, 01:09:44 am
End the fucking goddamn day.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 11, 2011, 01:11:20 am
If the day doesn't end soon I'm going to fucking quit. Three weeks of this bullshit is enough for me.
Post by: NativeForeigner on May 11, 2011, 01:19:56 am
Post by: IronyOwl on May 11, 2011, 01:22:55 am
I quit.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 11, 2011, 02:40:56 am
Post by: Ottofar on May 11, 2011, 09:07:11 am
Post by: IronyOwl on May 11, 2011, 02:18:03 pm
I refuse to fucking post with Archangelmode on. At all.If you're town, that'll lose you the fucking game.
Also, all our fucking hopes rest on Jokerman now. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on May 11, 2011, 02:34:07 pm
Also, all our fucking hopes rest on Jokerman now. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Uh, what? Why's that?
Post by: IronyOwl on May 11, 2011, 03:39:42 pm
Uh, what? Why's that?I'm a fucking survivor. With fucking Org, that makes 7 players. If three of those fuckers are scum, this is LYLO; you have to lynch scum or lose.
Jim and Leaf I'm pretty fucking sure are scum. Otto's almost assuredly fucking scum as well. Native apparently doesn't fucking care. Org is still fucking lurking, probably because he doesn't think he can fucking win and is Org.
That leaves fucking you and Jack, pretty fucking much. If you and he both vote fucking Otto, we can lynch him and probably last another fucking day. If not, I get fucking lynched instead, scum NK one townie and win.
All on you, man.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on May 11, 2011, 04:02:23 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 11, 2011, 04:16:55 pm
All on you, man.
Let's see if you're really a survivor.
I'll make you a deal. If you vote Jokerman-EXE, I'll vote Jokerman-EXE.
Because it's downright moronic to think that Jokerman-EXE didn't lift a fucking finger the whole goddamn day and that he could still be town.
I could really go for a Jokerman-EXE lynch right now. What say you?
Post by: NativeForeigner on May 11, 2011, 04:30:40 pm
Oppose shorten and fucking extend.
Fucking Ottofar: Are you aware that this is probably fucking LYLO? If fucking so, why don't you feel like doing any fucking thing?
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on May 11, 2011, 04:40:45 pm
Are you fucking retarded? I've been fucking busy; I said as much in the thread. And then I come back and attempt to have some fucking action, and you're going to say that's a fucking reason to lynch me? Fuck you, fucker.All on you, man.
Let's see if you're really a survivor.
I'll make you a deal. If you vote Jokerman-EXE, I'll vote Jokerman-EXE.
Because it's downright moronic to think that Jokerman-EXE didn't lift a fucking finger the whole goddamn day and that he could still be town.
I could really go for a Jokerman-EXE lynch right now. What say you?
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 11, 2011, 04:42:48 pm
Oppose shorten and fucking extend.
Are you a fucking encephalitic dipshit who's place on the short bus was given to somebody who didn't deserve it due to some clerical error?
Because, newsflash, people have been saying it's lylo for a while now.
Why do you only come out to lift a fucking finger when the day's about to end, you fucking goddamn piece of shit moron who's clearly got nothing going on up there but's managed to convince everybody otherwise.
FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
Are you fucking retarded? I've been fucking busy; I said as much in the thread. And then I come back and attempt to have some fucking action, and you're going to say that's a fucking reason to lynch me? Fuck you, fucker.
Three weeks is a long time to be busy. You don't have an excuse.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 11, 2011, 04:47:37 pm
Well fuck you then, fucking Ottofar.No fucking reasoning. No fucking sense. Just a fucking vote on a lurker because a confirmed non townie (more to the point, a player who is guaranteed to be anti-town in intentions whether he's telling the truth or not, and who's opinions should be taken about as seriously as Org's) told you to. I fucking quit.
Oh shit, it's fucking lylo. I didn't even fucking realize. I quit.Huh. Spend all day doing nothing, then fucking come in later and ask for an extension in order to
Oppose shorten and fucking extend.
Fucking Ottofar: Are you aware that this is probably fucking LYLO? If fucking so, why don't you feel like doing any fucking thing?
I love how your line of reasoning makes no sense at all from a town perspective ("I was fine with lynching someone I didn't think was scum before, but now I realise it's lylo, I have to extend the day without providing anything that will help catch mafia!") and plenty of sense from a scum perspective ("I was fine with my buddy die before, but now I realise it's lylo, I know I can incriminate myself as much as I like as long as I get one last mislynch!").
Seriously, Ottofar's done nothing good, but everything about the way people are attacking him screams "SCUM MISLYNCH".
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on May 11, 2011, 04:51:10 pm
Are you fucking retarded? I've been fucking busy; I said as much in the thread. And then I come back and attempt to have some fucking action, and you're going to say that's a fucking reason to lynch me? Fuck you, fucker.
Three weeks is a long time to be busy. You don't have an excuse.
I work at least 30 hours a week and take a full 17-credit, 5-class courseload, fuckwad. So fuck you, don't tell me I don't have an excuse. Three weeks is nothing at all in terms of being fucking busy. If it's that big a goddam deal to you then I'll just fucking quit.
Post by: NativeForeigner on May 11, 2011, 04:57:05 pm
Oppose shorten and fucking extend.
Are you a fucking encephalitic dipshit who's place on the short bus was given to somebody who didn't deserve it due to some clerical error?
Because, newsflash, people have been saying it's lylo for a while now.
Why do you only come out to lift a fucking finger when the day's about to end, you fucking goddamn piece of shit moron who's clearly got nothing going on up there but's managed to convince everybody otherwise.
FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
Have you seen my level of fucking activity? I haven't been reading every little fucking thing.
Well fuck you then, fucking Ottofar.No fucking reasoning. No fucking sense. Just a fucking vote on a lurker because a confirmed non townie (more to the point, a player who is guaranteed to be anti-town in intentions whether he's telling the truth or not, and who's opinions should be taken about as seriously as Org's) told you to. I fucking quit.Oh shit, it's fucking lylo. I didn't even fucking realize. I quit.Huh. Spend all day doing nothing, then fucking come in later and ask for an extension in order to
Oppose shorten and fucking extend.
Fucking Ottofar: Are you aware that this is probably fucking LYLO? If fucking so, why don't you feel like doing any fucking thing?further depress activitysave your scumbuddytry to choose the right person to lynch, apparently.
I love how your line of reasoning makes no sense at all from a town perspective ("I was fine with lynching someone I didn't think was scum before, but now I realise it's lylo, I have to extend the day without providing anything that will help catch mafia!") and plenty of sense from a scum perspective ("I was fine with my buddy die before, but now I realise it's lylo, I know I can incriminate myself as much as I like as long as I get one last mislynch!").
Seriously, Ottofar's done nothing good, but everything about the way people are attacking him screams "SCUM MISLYNCH".
Leafsnail: Seriously? I was fine with a fucking Irony lynch because I thought he might just be scum. I asked for a fucking extension because I need to fucking look at things a little fucking closer than I have been. More so now that I'm aware that it's LYLO. I'd also like to fucking point out that my vote has been on Ottofar since the fucking beginning, ya asswipe.
I quit.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 11, 2011, 05:05:07 pm
Have you seen my level of fucking activity? I haven't been reading every little fucking thing.
YES.
I HAVE.
I have been watching your godawful fucking activity for three weeks now.
You'd think I'd be used to it by now. And I am.
But it's still not fucking excusable at all.
I work at least 30 hours a week and take a full 17-credit, 5-class courseload, fuckwad. So fuck you, don't tell me I don't have an excuse. Three weeks is nothing at all in terms of being fucking busy. If it's that big a goddam deal to you then I'll just fucking quit.
I don't give a shit about your schedule. I only care if you're playing.
You're not. I don't really give a flying fuck why.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 11, 2011, 05:16:40 pm
More moronic than thinking the guys trying to hurry through the fucking lynch aren't? More moronic than thinking he wouldn't hop on this juicy fucking bandwagon to get himself some cred for the fucking tomorrow that's obviously going to happen? More moronic than thinking he's more scum than the other fucking guy who won't lift a finger, other than to fucking OMGUS?All on you, man.
Let's see if you're really a survivor.
I'll make you a deal. If you vote Jokerman-EXE, I'll vote Jokerman-EXE.
Because it's downright moronic to think that Jokerman-EXE didn't lift a fucking finger the whole goddamn day and that he could still be town.
I could really go for a Jokerman-EXE lynch right now. What say you?
Post by: NativeForeigner on May 11, 2011, 05:20:56 pm
Have you seen my level of fucking activity? I haven't been reading every little fucking thing.
YES.
I HAVE.
I have been watching your godawful fucking activity for three weeks now.
You'd think I'd be used to it by now. And I am.
But it's still not fucking excusable at all.
When did I once say it was fucking excusable?
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 11, 2011, 05:22:21 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 11, 2011, 05:22:35 pm
More moronic than thinking the guys trying to hurry through the fucking lynch aren't? More moronic than thinking he wouldn't hop on this juicy fucking bandwagon to get himself some cred for the fucking tomorrow that's obviously going to happen? More moronic than thinking he's more scum than the other fucking guy who won't lift a finger, other than to fucking OMGUS?
But we expect better from Jokerman-EXE because he is not Ottofar.
But, no, it's cool. It's good that in the face of pretty obvious evidence you're making up reasons not to vote him.
Yeah, I didn't think you were a survivor.
When did I once say it was fucking excusable?
Gah, now you're just trying to piss me off.
And succeeding.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 11, 2011, 05:40:24 pm
Argembarger - 0 -
IronyOwl - 4 - Ottofar Jack_A_T Jim_Groovester Leafsnail
Jack A T - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Jokerman-EXE - 0 -
Leafsnail - 0 -
NativeForeigner - 0 -
Org - 0 -
Ottofar - 3 - NativeForeigner IronyOwl Jokerman-EXE
Not Voting: Argembarger Org
Day ends Monday at 9 PM Pacific. Hammer is at 7.
This day is governed by the Laws:
Demand: Archangel Mode
Org has been modkilled for inactivity. He was a Jester. He is erased from the game. He loses. His Law is not available to be chosen by the spoiling specs.
Irony Owl has been lynched.
You are Roguelike (Martyr). Your goal is to be killed by the player with the Rogue role. You also have reason to believe giving away your wincon or role publicly may be a very bad idea.
You have one ability:
Draw: Targeted on any other one player, effect unknown. I think. Irony, I can't find any PM I sent telling what this was but if I did tell you please post it <_<
Wincon:Be XKilled by RogueThe Rogue is no longer able to kill; you are a Survivor.
Post by: IronyOwl on May 11, 2011, 05:50:04 pm
You discover DRAW!QuoteDraw: Redirects the selected player to self
I imagine you can figure out why that use exists. :P
Post by: NativeForeigner on May 11, 2011, 06:14:15 pm
When did I once say it was fucking excusable?
Gah, now you're just trying to piss me off.
And succeeding.
Maybe. >_>
Post by: RedWarrior0 on May 11, 2011, 07:00:12 pm
Nominate Jim fucking Groovester for the revealificationizing.
Post by: Vector on May 11, 2011, 09:38:09 pm
Whoop whoop
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 11, 2011, 10:57:47 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 13, 2011, 04:33:40 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 15, 2011, 12:32:11 am
Post by: IronyOwl on May 15, 2011, 12:33:32 am
Post by: Tyberix on May 15, 2011, 04:04:11 am
Post by: Jack A T on May 21, 2011, 10:52:21 am
I think he needs a replacement.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 21, 2011, 06:32:40 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on May 21, 2011, 07:11:57 pm
But yeah, not much point holding up the dawn.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 22, 2011, 04:14:43 am
I'll leave one more day for potential replaces before moving I guess.
Post by: Think0028 on May 22, 2011, 03:57:08 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 22, 2011, 06:03:42 pm
Post by: Think0028 on May 22, 2011, 07:56:29 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 24, 2011, 01:55:04 am
Quote
XZombify: Turns target into a powerless Zombie of its previous alignment. When killed, a Zombie becomes a Chrysalid of Cult alignment unless lynched. You may Zombify any time in each Day/Night Cycle (e.g. Day 1 or Night 1, Day 2 or Night 2, etc.)
Processing night actions now.
Jim Groovester had died in the night! He was a Chrysalid!
Quote
Jim Groovester You are Chrysalid (Cult). You can barely contain yourself but with a bit of subtlety and some self-control there'll be a full-blown outbreak of you here in no time!
XZombify: Turns target into a powerless Zombie of its previous alignment. When killed, a Zombie becomes a Chrysalid of Cult alignment unless lynched. You may Zombify any time in each Day/Night Cycle (e.g. Day 1 or Night 1, Day 2 or Night 2, etc.)
Wincon: Faction majority and no unaligned killing roles (this includes any Mafia members)
Mr.Person has returned to life!
Still living:
Argembarger, Jack A T, Jokerman-XE, Leafsnail, Mr.Person, NativeForeigner, Ottofar
Spoiling Specs will be sent the Law Options momentarily.
Post by: Vector on May 24, 2011, 10:51:52 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 25, 2011, 03:50:56 am
I'll hold off day a tiny bit, I guess.
Post by: Jack A T on June 08, 2011, 06:58:56 pm
Post by: Think0028 on June 08, 2011, 07:02:45 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 08, 2011, 09:25:56 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 09, 2011, 03:24:01 am
Post by: Think0028 on June 11, 2011, 12:30:52 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 11, 2011, 02:39:29 am
Post by: webadict on June 11, 2011, 07:53:59 am
Btw, I have no intention of reading anything.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 11, 2011, 02:20:59 pm
Webadict to the rescue?
Btw, I have no intention of reading anything.
That's ok, I've got no plans of reading anything I've missed. I don't read games I never joined or ones I joined but then died in, you see.
By the way, if you reach the point where I need a prod, just replace me. I may not get the chance to ask for one depending on how things go.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 11, 2011, 05:16:02 pm
Post by: Vector on June 18, 2011, 12:22:19 am
Or did you get killed and eaten at that friend's house?
Post by: Think0028 on June 18, 2011, 12:23:50 am
Post by: webadict on June 18, 2011, 12:32:18 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 18, 2011, 12:48:18 am
Sending that PM and moving to day now.
Post by: Think0028 on June 18, 2011, 12:53:39 am
Deeeeeeeeeeeerp. Distracted by ponies. For weeks.
Sending that PM and moving to day now.
MAGICAL PONIES DELAY THE DAY SO LONG THAT ANOTHER NIGHT PHASE TAKES PLACE. Clearly that should be the rule effect of this random chance of the mod being distracted.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 18, 2011, 01:02:18 am
Blah blah DAYHTIME BLAH SAKLGHALKDGHALKJD
FUCKING CLOUDSONG
Anyway.
This day is governed by the Laws:
Conditional: Jedi Insight
Post by: Jack A T on June 18, 2011, 01:32:25 am
As a side note, I'm guessing that there's a second chrysalid, and that the mafia currently outnumbers us. I hope I'm extremely wrong on these points.
Post by: webadict on June 18, 2011, 07:07:56 am
I don't like how Mr. Person, the person with the unknown alignment, was resurrected. Why would a townie resurrect the scummy person whose alignment and role are unknown? Especially at this point in the game, where such a resurrection looked like it could likely instantly end the game?Actually Jack, Mr Person would HAVE to be Town, now wouldn't he? Or, at the very least, he can't be mafia, and seeing as there have been several third parties, and he can't be a Chrysalid, I'm going to assume that he's Town.
As a side note, I'm guessing that there's a second chrysalid, and that the mafia currently outnumbers us. I hope I'm extremely wrong on these points.
Now, why would you want to lynch Town?
Post by: Mr.Person on June 18, 2011, 09:52:38 am
Have we MC'd already? Are we in lylo? How have the lynches gone? I know there was a cult (WHY.JPG), who was in it? It's gone now, right? Any other threats we should be concerned about?
Old role was Pandarsenic's Perverse Love of Sleeping Gods and was town-aligned. I had a night action that could activate my target's law for the night. I do not recall offhand who I hit with it on the first night.
Post by: Ottofar on June 18, 2011, 12:20:44 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on June 18, 2011, 05:06:22 pm
Was?
I want to confirm everyone else has claimed before I do.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 19, 2011, 04:20:44 am
Post by: webadict on June 19, 2011, 10:50:06 am
Post by: Mr.Person on June 19, 2011, 11:29:54 am
Okay, now I'm lost. I really need a recap now, because I thought there were a few less crazy things than this.
Fucking this.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 19, 2011, 07:37:45 pm
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2011, 08:49:14 pm
Pandarsenic: Is it possible for the Mafia to win when a cultist still lives?
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 19, 2011, 08:57:52 pm
No. The mafia cannot win until it isn't possible for them to lose.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 19, 2011, 09:23:57 pm
Is Pandarsenic stupid enough to include 2 cults? No. Is Pand stupid enough to have a false-flipping cult head? I don't think so.
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2011, 09:56:18 pm
Is Pandarsenic stupid enough to include 2 cults? No. Is Pand stupid enough to have a false-flipping cult head? I don't think so.
One simple response: "When killed, a Zombie becomes a Chrysalid of Cult alignment unless lynched."
Post by: webadict on June 19, 2011, 10:22:37 pm
Hm...
Jack A T is almost certainly Mafia. Ain'tcha?
Post by: Jack A T on June 19, 2011, 11:35:33 pm
Jack A T is almost certainly Mafia. Ain'tcha?
Actually, I'm not. I'm a member of a faction that, if what I'm thinking happens to be correct, is keeping the mafia from winning right now.
And I just tore apart your whole "The revive proves that Mr. Person is town" idea by asking Pandarsenic a question.
And you, for one, know that there happens to be at least one chrysalid alive at the moment. I know that you know that.
Now, why should the town work with me? Two reasons:
1. When the Chrysalids win, all surviving zombies win too.
2. Because, frankly, working with me is more likely to get you the slightest chance of a town victory than not working with me. Most of the people I think are mafiosoes happen to have not posted yet, for example.
Also, as a side note, Webadict, I love how you haven't actually bothered to vote yet. Even though you're so sure that I'm mafia and trying to get a townie killed.
To summarize: Webadict's argument sucks, and I'm a Chrysalid.
Post by: webadict on June 19, 2011, 11:58:39 pm
Here's the reason: There's likely 3 Mafia right now, and my role makes townies revives instead of losing. Which is why I'm certain he's Town.Jack A T is almost certainly Mafia. Ain'tcha?
Actually, I'm not. I'm a member of a faction that, if what I'm thinking happens to be correct, is keeping the mafia from winning right now.
And I just tore apart your whole "The revive proves that Mr. Person is town" idea by asking Pandarsenic a question.
And you, for one, know that there happens to be at least one chrysalid alive at the moment. I know that you know that.
Now, why should the town work with me? Two reasons:
1. When the Chrysalids win, all surviving zombies win too.
2. Because, frankly, working with me is more likely to get you the slightest chance of a town victory than not working with me. Most of the people I think are mafiosoes happen to have not posted yet, for example.
Also, as a side note, Webadict, I love how you haven't actually bothered to vote yet. Even though you're so sure that I'm mafia and trying to get a townie killed.
To summarize: Webadict's argument sucks, and I'm a Chrysalid.
Also, you have no idea what you're talking about.
No one is Cult. You want to know why?
They turn into Zombies first, idiot. Jack A T. If you're going to fakeclaim, then fakeclaim a role that exists. You turn into a Chrysallid whenever you, as a Zombie, are killed. You, of course, revive, and then continue being alive.
I don't believe you can prove that you revived, since you didn't. Nice try though.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 20, 2011, 12:15:27 am
Protip: The mafia are going to murder your ass dead if your claim is true, so we all have to work under the assumption it isn't. Personally, I find it more likely there were only 3 mafia members to begin with what with the MILLIONS of third parties in attendance here tonight.
Post by: Jack A T on June 20, 2011, 12:45:49 am
Ah, so you finally vote.
Interesting. What's most interesting is your claim to have a role other than "Zombie" at this point, my good friend. Unvote, vote Webadict.
I never revived to become a Chrysalid. I never had to. I am the original.
Jim Groovester was nightkilled Night 2. Instead of dying, he became a Chrysalid. Please reread the wording of the Chrysalid role, and note the lack of mention of reviving. It acts more like the person never died in the first place. He just changed.
Jim's original role was Rogue, by the way. To quote him (in Cultchat), "My sole purpose in life was to kill the Roguelike with my one shot kill. Then both of us would win. If I was wrong I lost the game."
On your role, I was waiting for you to claim like that. I zombified you. Today. After your first post. I received confirmation of the zombification before your second post today.
Quick question, to make a point:
Pandarsenic: Does the Zombie/Chrysalid death conversion process work as I explained it in this post?
PPE:
I want to hear more from Jack AT. When did you join the Chrysalids? Why are you claiming it out publically now?Bonjour. As stated above, I'm the original chrysalid. I'm claiming it publicly because I basically seemed to be screwed if I didn't. With my general level of activity, I'm a likely mafia target anyway. Having the town hunting the cult down just wouldn't help much either. The general level of activity looked like it could be pulled to our (chrysalids and zombies) advantage, and I had the whole "zombies win with chrysalids" thing on my side. That, and I'm getting a strong 4 mafia feeling from the game. If I'm going to die, I'm going to die fighting.
Protip: The mafia are going to murder your ass dead if your claim is true, so we all have to work under the assumption it isn't. Personally, I find it more likely there were only 3 mafia members to begin with what with the MILLIONS of third parties in attendance here tonight.
I know the mafia's going to kill me. However, there haven't been that many good targets for them to kill, and I've been one of those few targets. I'm not increasing my chance of death much.
I'm really, really hoping that I'm wrong and that there are three mafia members. However, it feels to me like there are four.
Is anyone actually playing other than Webadict, Mr. Person, and I? Anyone?
Post by: webadict on June 20, 2011, 02:18:53 am
Well... Thought I caught you *sigh* and you know about my zombification, so I can pretty much trust you on that whole claim. However, Mr. Person was likely revived from my effect, but that's gone, thanks to you (Pandarsenic wasn't clear when I was turned into a Zombie, because he thinks I can read minds. Was it last Night?) So, fine. I can't lynch you because that doesn't stop the Mafia and because you're technically a... Err... Second chance to win, just in case >.>
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 20, 2011, 10:15:43 am
Post by: Mr.Person on June 20, 2011, 01:48:26 pm
Post by: Jack A T on June 20, 2011, 11:51:24 pm
Well... Thought I caught you *sigh* and you know about my zombification, so I can pretty much trust you on that whole claim. However, Mr. Person was likely revived from my effect, but that's gone, thanks to you (Pandarsenic wasn't clear when I was turned into a Zombie, because he thinks I can read minds. Was it last Night?) So, fine. I can't lynch you because that doesn't stop the Mafia and because you're technically a... Err... Second chance to win, just in case >.>
I turned you into a zombie today, after your first post. It's an X power, which means I can use it at any time.
Unvote. It looks like all we managed to do was get caught up in a mass of traps and misinterpretations.
Could you, by chance, give a fullclaim of your previous role and actions? This kind of messed up my scumpicks a good bit, and I need to get more information to rethink them.
Actually, y'know, that could be a good thing for all zombies to do.
Post by: webadict on June 21, 2011, 08:27:47 am
However, that's how I know Mr. Person is Town, as I'm pretty sure there are 3 Mafia.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 21, 2011, 04:18:16 pm
Post by: webadict on June 21, 2011, 04:36:46 pm
Just so that it's fully correct.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 22, 2011, 08:59:25 am
Pandarsenic: Does the Zombie/Chrysalid death conversion process work as I explained it in this post?
Jedi Insight: Yes. A zombie, when killed (not lynched) never shows as having died.
Post by: Jack A T on June 22, 2011, 10:55:27 am
I'm just going to test this Jedi Insight quickly:
Pandarsenic: Are you ever going to reply to my question in cultchat?
Pandarsenic: What is Jedi Insight?
Pandarsenic: Is Webadict a zombie?
Pandarsenic: Is Webadict telling the truth about his previous role?
Post by: webadict on June 22, 2011, 11:09:47 am
Post by: Jack A T on June 22, 2011, 12:12:07 pm
Lol. Don't believe me, eh?
This is a game where complete trust is not a great idea. I'm going to be cautious.
Besides, it helps me test the limitations of Jedi Insight.
Post by: webadict on June 22, 2011, 12:23:12 pm
Complete trust, yes. Trust in general, no. You just have to learn to trust to the right degree.Lol. Don't believe me, eh?
This is a game where complete trust is not a great idea. I'm going to be cautious.
Besides, it helps me test the limitations of Jedi Insight.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 22, 2011, 07:44:55 pm
Post by: Jack A T on June 22, 2011, 08:18:10 pm
Hey Jack, who else is/was in your cult?
Jim was in the cult, but he died. I'm going to keep quiet about who is actually in the cult, as it's not exactly something I want to announce to the scum. However, no cult member has been converted away from the cult.
Post by: webadict on June 22, 2011, 11:11:51 pm
That's actually a good plan, as the Mafia "SHOULDN'T" be able to be Cultified in the first place, provided this game is balanced.Hey Jack, who else is/was in your cult?
Jim was in the cult, but he died. I'm going to keep quiet about who is actually in the cult, as it's not exactly something I want to announce to the scum. However, no cult member has been converted away from the cult.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 23, 2011, 07:36:58 am
Hmm...
I'm just going to test this Jedi Insight quickly:
Pandarsenic: Are you ever going to reply to my question in cultchat?
Pandarsenic: What is Jedi Insight?
Pandarsenic: Is Webadict a zombie?
Pandarsenic: Is Webadict telling the truth about his previous role?
1) Why, what ever do you mean?
2) Jedi Insight: The Jedi Insight Law causes me to be completely open about ALL effects and intricacies of any publicly known effect or Law; I must give any relevant information I can think of. This does, for instance, extend to flipped roles while not encompassing any non-publicly-known information.
3) Ask him
4) Ask him
Post by: Jack A T on June 23, 2011, 12:39:31 pm
Pandarsenic: Please explain the following laws:
*Archangel Mode (day 4) (just in case)
*Elmotorcycle (day 3)
*A Grave Mis-Stake (day 2)
*Xanatos Goals (day 2)
Post by: Mr.Person on June 23, 2011, 01:34:47 pm
Post by: Jack A T on June 23, 2011, 02:16:53 pm
Webadict's behaviour regarding my claim (not going for the easy lynch) indicates to me that he is town. By extension, you, Mr. Person, are probably town.
Ottofar has been scummy throughout the game, and, while he is actually a zombie, that doesn't excuse his behaviour. He's also the only scumpick of mine who has done anything today, which makes him a higher-priority target, in my eyes.
Leafsnail, based on his actions related to Ottofar, and his actions in the mislynch yesterday (sorry about that, everyone), is almost definitely a partner.
This is where it starts getting iffy. Very iffy.
NativeForeigner, in my eyes, is the most likely third scum, for one reason: Jokerman's vote yesterday. Jokerman was enabling a non-lynch, which almost occurred.
Sorry about the brevity. I'm basically doing what I can with my notes from cultchat and a glance at yesterday.
Basically, Ottofar is almost definitely scum. By extension, Leafsnail is probably scum. Native is the most likely third scum, but I'm unsure.
Finally, I've decided that it's impossible to post my scumpicks without making it extremely obvious that I was trying to bluff the scum, so...yeah, I'm the only Chrysalid left. Yeah, the cult is screwed. But I think I figured out who the mafia is, so if I'm actually completely correct, I'll at least get satisfaction from that. Besides, the cult is not done until every zombie is gone, so there's always the possibility...
QUICK NOTE: If a night goes by without a kill, and one of my scumpicks claims to be a chrysalid, don't trust them. Ottofar and Leafsnail I'm sure are scum, and Native's probably not even a zombie (planned to be zombified, but no action was posted in cultchat and no confirmation was received. PANDAR ANSWER MY QUESTION PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE).
Post by: webadict on June 23, 2011, 02:17:07 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 23, 2011, 07:34:39 pm
Interesting. Might as well quickly get a bit more information out of this.Jedi Insight:
Pandarsenic: Please explain the following laws:
*Archangel Mode (day 4) (just in case)
*Elmotorcycle (day 3)
*A Grave Mis-Stake (day 2)
*Xanatos Goals (day 2)
Archangel mode - everyone was falsely informed that they had to act like archangel or be modkilled. There was actually no consequence for violating that.
Elmotorcycle was a "blank" with no effect.
Grave Mis-Stake caused the lynch not to role flip if they had bee fos'd. They instead turned to dust.
Xanatos Goals was a schmuck bait option that took all powers from whoever activated it for a cycle.
Post by: NativeForeigner on June 23, 2011, 08:28:53 pm
Jack: Could you possibly elaborate on your suspicions? They seem to be "yeah, this guy's scum because of some stuff, this guy is probably his partner for stuff relating to that other stuff, and the third is probably this guy because...yeah...".
I'm also interested about whether or not your suspicions of me are more through process of elimination or evidence against me.
Post by: webadict on June 23, 2011, 08:51:11 pm
I'm utterly lost. I'll try to catch up later. For now...We're looking for cult claims, as, naturally, Mafia cannot be recruited into a cult.
Jack: Could you possibly elaborate on your suspicions? They seem to be "yeah, this guy's scum because of some stuff, this guy is probably his partner for stuff relating to that other stuff, and the third is probably this guy because...yeah...".
I'm also interested about whether or not your suspicions of me are more through process of elimination or evidence against me.
Post by: Jack A T on June 23, 2011, 09:46:11 pm
Jack: Could you possibly elaborate on your suspicions? They seem to be "yeah, this guy's scum because of some stuff, this guy is probably his partner for stuff relating to that other stuff, and the third is probably this guy because...yeah...".
I'm also interested about whether or not your suspicions of me are more through process of elimination or evidence against me.
On you: Process of elimination. You're my weakest pick. I don't really have much evidence against you together. You're just there because Jokerman's vote was one that could've been very problematic for the mafia, if I had actually finished on Ottofar. I need to gather more evidence when it comes to you and Jokerman.
As I said, these picks were basically what I could scavenge together from my notes in cultchat, what I remembered, and a glance through day 4. I was not expecting there to be such a giant gap between days.
Ottofar has generally lurked, OMGUSed, contributed almost nothing, repeatedly promised to give content that he never gave (day 2...), refused repeatedly to give reasoning for his votes, and only got out of being lynched for scummy actions day 2 because he promised to take an action. He really was a zombie, but still. Overwhelming general scumminess makes Ottofar the most likely mafia member, in my eyes.
Leafsnail tried hard to prevent an Ottofar lynch, via what now looks very much like a chainsaw defense to me, and was one of the two people spearheading the IronyOwl mislynch. He was also slow to actually bother voting for Irony, spending a while just bashing Irony without bothering to change his vote, but that might just have been a mistake.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 23, 2011, 09:57:58 pm
Post by: webadict on June 23, 2011, 10:42:24 pm
Two questions:
What was Jim's previous role?
What is your role Mr.Person?
Post by: Jack A T on June 23, 2011, 10:46:04 pm
What was Jim's previous role?
I believe I already said that he was the Rogue. He had a one-shot kill power, and his wincon was to kill IronyOwl, the Roguelike.
Post by: webadict on June 23, 2011, 10:47:05 pm
Dang it.What was Jim's previous role?
I believe I already said that he was the Rogue. He had a one-shot kill power, and his wincon was to kill IronyOwl, the Roguelike.
Carry on then.
Post by: webadict on June 23, 2011, 10:48:17 pm
What do all of the current dead roles' unknown powers do?
Post by: Mr.Person on June 23, 2011, 11:55:39 pm
Hold on a second...
Two questions:
What was Jim's previous role?
What is your role Mr.Person?
Regular old townie. I think everybody should be claiming, honestly.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on June 24, 2011, 12:04:14 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 24, 2011, 01:47:45 am
Sorry if I'm quiet, there's a... minor issue I may need to resolve. Involving time travel.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 24, 2011, 01:59:03 am
Also, bah.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 24, 2011, 04:18:59 pm
Post by: Jack A T on June 24, 2011, 04:24:45 pm
Could you tell us all the actions our Crysallid masters performed, if any?
I'd prefer not to give a list of zombifications, for safety reasons. I don't want to give the mafia a big "DON'T KILL THESE PEOPLE" list. And that's the only action chrysalids can perform.
Jim did not use any powers before he was zombified, as he was zombified early on in day 1.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 24, 2011, 10:24:29 pm
Other than that, I've got no more questions.
Post by: webadict on June 25, 2011, 04:59:37 am
That's fine. I only care about who the last zombified player is anyways. If there's a delayer around, I want you to think about how that would affect things.I'm the latest and greatest, otherwise you wouldn't be alive.
Other than that, I've got no more questions.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 25, 2011, 09:01:29 am
Trying to figure out how to resolve it.
Post by: webadict on June 25, 2011, 09:21:35 am
There... may be a major issue here on account of me not processing a [REDACTED] because it [REDACTED].Subdimensional wormhole; temporarily imploded?
Trying to figure out how to resolve it.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 25, 2011, 11:46:37 am
That's just what they want you to think.That's fine. I only care about who the last zombified player is anyways. If there's a delayer around, I want you to think about how that would affect things.I'm the latest and greatest, otherwise you wouldn't be alive.
Other than that, I've got no more questions.
Post by: webadict on June 25, 2011, 11:59:58 am
... I suppose, but I'm assuming he's telling the truth, as it'd be rather difficult for a delayer to delay a day action.That's just what they want you to think.That's fine. I only care about who the last zombified player is anyways. If there's a delayer around, I want you to think about how that would affect things.I'm the latest and greatest, otherwise you wouldn't be alive.
Other than that, I've got no more questions.
Not impossible, but certainly difficult.
Post by: Jack A T on June 25, 2011, 12:12:25 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on June 25, 2011, 06:48:12 pm
Anyways, when does the day end again?
Post by: webadict on June 25, 2011, 09:55:04 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 25, 2011, 10:56:38 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on June 26, 2011, 06:59:55 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 27, 2011, 05:52:23 am
Post by: Jack A T on June 29, 2011, 02:13:57 am
Post by: Think0028 on June 29, 2011, 02:18:13 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 29, 2011, 04:28:44 am
Post by: Mr.Person on July 02, 2011, 01:31:50 pm
It better be, I don't want to have waited 3 months for it to peter out.
Bad news, bro.
Post by: Think0028 on July 02, 2011, 01:52:54 pm
Post by: webadict on July 02, 2011, 04:10:15 pm
Post by: Jack A T on July 02, 2011, 04:24:39 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 02, 2011, 08:21:19 pm
Post by: webadict on July 02, 2011, 10:32:14 pm
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on July 02, 2011, 10:51:39 pm
Post by: webadict on July 03, 2011, 01:18:52 am
Oh hey, I'm a Zombie now. Cool story.What the fudge?
But... then the only remaining players must be Mafia.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 03, 2011, 02:10:45 am
Oh hey, I'm a Zombie now. Cool story.What the fudge?
But... then the only remaining players must be Mafia.
So let's quicklynch them. Shorten the day.
Post by: Jack A T on July 03, 2011, 02:46:56 am
This, however, proves nothing: Ottofar knew when he was zombified, and he's pretty clearly not on our side.
Just to clarify...
Pandarsenic: Does the currently known power XZombify work on the mafia?
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 03, 2011, 06:47:01 am
Post by: webadict on July 03, 2011, 08:13:14 am
Post by: Ottofar on July 03, 2011, 08:25:01 am
Pandar does a town zombie win with the cult?
Post by: Mr.Person on July 03, 2011, 02:33:08 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 03, 2011, 10:20:43 pm
Well, that's incredibly overpowered.Not especially. It's almost impossible for them to actually be killed.
Herpaderp, Everyone wins.Jedi Insight: ANY zombie wins with the Cult.
Pandar does a town zombie win with the cult?
Post by: Mr.Person on July 03, 2011, 11:17:58 pm
a) is hard to kill
b) has two win-cons with two different factions
c) wins equally with both factions
So we have one or more players who can basically do anything they want and still win. Fantastic. We also seem to have a way to make every single player win. All of these are no-nos, Pand.
Post by: Jack A T on July 04, 2011, 12:25:23 am
Yeah, turns out NativeForeigner was supposed to be zombified, but never got zombified. That was from the same day as Jokerman's zombification.
Pandarsenic: I would like an explanation of every single thing the XZombify power does. Every. Single. Thing. Wincon adjustments, effects on various third parties, EVERYTHING.
Post by: Jack A T on July 04, 2011, 12:33:07 am
Pandarsenic: Can the Mafia Mafiakill its own members?
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 04, 2011, 01:32:09 am
Post by: Jack A T on July 04, 2011, 01:39:08 am
Unvote.
Everyone, town, mafia, and cult alike, I wish to call for a mass victory. Essentially, no lynching, and the mafia shall only NK zombies. Everyone but Mr. Person and I are zombies, so no NKing us. Mafia NKs a zombie each night. After everyone has been turned into a chrysalid except the last normal mafioso, we lynch that mafioso. Boom, massive cult/zombie victory.
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on July 04, 2011, 01:52:56 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 04, 2011, 04:13:31 am
Jedi Insight: Yes, but they cannot self-target and a Cultmafia mafioso can't Mafiakill.In case it wasn't clear, a mafioso who has been made a zombie can NK (but can't NK himself), until he's NK'd, at which point he's no longer able to NK. Also, zombies must be alive to win with the Cult.
Post by: webadict on July 04, 2011, 07:04:40 am
I believe if we are all Zombies, we win with the cult, as he EXPLICITLY said Zombies and not Chrysallids. So, therefore, there is someone who can kill who is not a Zombie.
Unless he has messed things up again.
I really don't doubt it. This game is already screwed up.
Post by: Jack A T on July 04, 2011, 01:56:52 pm
So.
Would the mafia, if they wish for a mass victory, please claim? We should have an inactive mafioso be the NKer and the person who dies.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 04, 2011, 02:34:31 pm
And no, players of the same alignment CANNOT submit actions for each other.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 05, 2011, 12:07:35 am
Mafia zombies can still kill. While they can still win with the cult, they technically can't because they ARE a killing role. A mafioso who isn't even able to mafiakill... would be difficult to bring about, to not give anything unnecessary away. That's just a natural interaction of their being Mafia (the kill not being their own ability, per se, but rather being that of their alignment itself) and being a zombie (being able to win if the Cult fulfills its win condition, despite that barring [REDACTED] it is not actually possible for that to happen while a Mafia zombie is in play).
And no, players of the same alignment CANNOT submit actions for each other.
What is this I don't even
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 05, 2011, 08:48:03 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 05, 2011, 08:56:00 am
Mafia zombies can still kill. While they can still win with the cult, they technically can't because they ARE a killing role. A mafioso who isn't even able to mafiakill... would be difficult to bring about, to not give anything unnecessary away. That's just a natural interaction of their being Mafia (the kill not being their own ability, per se, but rather being that of their alignment itself) and being a zombie (being able to win if the Cult fulfills its win condition, despite that barring [REDACTED] it is not actually possible for that to happen while a Mafia zombie is in play).
And no, players of the same alignment CANNOT submit actions for each other.
What is this I don't even
In short, people thought it was going to be easy to break the game.
Not so much.
Post by: Jack A T on July 05, 2011, 01:35:08 pm
WHO WANTS TO LOSE!?!
Post by: Mr.Person on July 05, 2011, 02:42:34 pm
Post by: webadict on July 05, 2011, 07:00:54 pm
Post by: webadict on July 07, 2011, 11:42:32 pm
I'm not scum, MrPerson isn't scum, and Jack A T isn't scum. That means I can guess with about 99% certainty that Jokerman-EXE is scum.
Post by: Jack A T on July 07, 2011, 11:48:02 pm
If we are going for a lynch, though, we might as well go for the easy target. Ottofar.
Post by: webadict on July 07, 2011, 11:49:22 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 07, 2011, 11:57:40 pm
Anyone without a post in the last 12 or next 24 hours will be modkilled. 24 hours after that, the day will end.
Post by: webadict on July 08, 2011, 12:00:01 am
Ottofar it is. My hope is that Jokerman will simply be modkilled, as he clearly lurks hardcore.
Post by: webadict on July 08, 2011, 12:00:44 am
Well, looks like you're the boss Jack.On second thought, I just realized I never unvoted, so keep me voting for Joker.
Ottofar it is. My hope is that Jokerman will simply be modkilled, as he clearly lurks hardcore.
Post by: Jack A T on July 08, 2011, 12:02:21 am
EVERYONE STOP POSTING! NOW! FOR THE CULT!
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 08, 2011, 12:23:20 am
Well, looks like you're the boss Jack.On second thought, I just realized I never unvoted, so keep me voting for Joker.
Ottofar it is. My hope is that Jokerman will simply be modkilled, as he clearly lurks hardcore.
Noted.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 08, 2011, 12:28:17 am
Jack A T - 0 -
Jokerman-EXE - 1 - webadict
Leafsnail - 0 -
Mr.Person - 0 -
NativeForeigner - 0 -
Ottofar - 2 - Jack_A_T Mr.Person
webadict - 0 -
Not Voting: Jokerman-EXE Leafsnail NativeForeigner Ottofar
Potentially getting the axe: Jokerman-EXE Leafsnail NativeForeigner Ottofar
Post by: Jack A T on July 08, 2011, 12:32:09 am
Pandarsenic: Mind recounting the votes, quickly? It looks to me like both people who are being voted on have one less vote than they should. Also, Mr. Person should also be in the "potentially getting the axe" category, seeing how his last post was back on the fifth.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 08, 2011, 12:56:08 am
Post by: Jack A T on July 08, 2011, 12:58:00 am
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on July 08, 2011, 01:44:01 am
Ottofar.
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 08, 2011, 03:37:55 am
Um.
RNG says Ottofar. Surprisingly out of everyone. At this point, you're all scum to me.
Post by: webadict on July 08, 2011, 07:05:28 am
I'm so confused.Except for the obvious, you know, people that aren't? What's with the blatant bandwagon?
Um.
RNG says Ottofar. Surprisingly out of everyone. At this point, you're all scum to me.
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 08, 2011, 05:44:54 pm
I'm so confused.Except for the obvious, you know, people that aren't? What's with the blatant bandwagon?
Um.
RNG says Ottofar. Surprisingly out of everyone. At this point, you're all scum to me.
I got lost after the long hiatus. I also, unfortunately, lost interest after that long hiatus and really just want this game to end.
Post by: webadict on July 08, 2011, 05:46:42 pm
So, you'll vote whoever is bandwagonable?I'm so confused.Except for the obvious, you know, people that aren't? What's with the blatant bandwagon?
Um.
RNG says Ottofar. Surprisingly out of everyone. At this point, you're all scum to me.
I got lost after the long hiatus. I also, unfortunately, lost interest after that long hiatus and really just want this game to end.
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 08, 2011, 07:16:04 pm
So, you'll vote whoever is bandwagonable?I'm so confused.Except for the obvious, you know, people that aren't? What's with the blatant bandwagon?
Um.
RNG says Ottofar. Surprisingly out of everyone. At this point, you're all scum to me.
I got lost after the long hiatus. I also, unfortunately, lost interest after that long hiatus and really just want this game to end.
At this point? Yes. Chances are, cult wins. Ottofar's probably scum.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 09, 2011, 01:25:00 am
Post by: webadict on July 09, 2011, 07:58:52 am
No, I think you (and the rest of the mafia) are trying to use this oppurunity to bandwagon with the excuse of not caring.It matters not, as Ottofar has been modkilled by now.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 09, 2011, 11:38:26 am
He was a powerless town zombie, if anyone cared.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 09, 2011, 11:41:01 am
Ottofar is terrible:
Jack A T - 0 -
Jokerman-EXE - 1 - webadict
Leafsnail - 0 -
Mr.Person - 0 -
NativeForeigner - 0 -
webadict - 0 -
Not Voting: Jack_A_T Jokerman-EXE Leafsnail Mr.Person NativeForeigner
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Post by: webadict on July 09, 2011, 11:42:02 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 09, 2011, 11:52:04 am
>:I
Post by: webadict on July 09, 2011, 12:07:40 pm
BASICALLYDoes that mean the Mafia wins?
>:I
Post by: Jack A T on July 09, 2011, 03:37:18 pm
...Ottofar was a townie? OTTOFAR was a townie? Ottofar, the player who refused to assist the town and explain his suspicions (REPEATEDLY) and actually do anything good, was a townie?
Post by: Mr.Person on July 09, 2011, 04:01:09 pm
Vote Jokerman. Whatever, I'm siding with Webadict. He wouldn't revive me as a townie unless it was good for him to do so, so I assume he's not a mafia member. If I'm going to lose, at least it's going to be with the mafia going down rather than the cult. Or something. Point is, I do what Web
Post by: Mr.Person on July 09, 2011, 04:01:37 pm
Post by: webadict on July 09, 2011, 04:12:15 pm
I am confusWell, technically it was forced, but yeah.
Vote Jokerman. Whatever, I'm siding with Webadict. He wouldn't revive me as a townie unless it was good for him to do so, so I assume he's not a mafia member. If I'm going to lose, at least it's going to be with the mafia going down rather than the cult. Or something. Point is, I do what Web
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 09, 2011, 09:06:57 pm
Post by: webadict on July 09, 2011, 09:30:29 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 09, 2011, 10:04:42 pm
Post by: webadict on July 09, 2011, 10:13:45 pm
ExtendDoesn't matter :D Day ended a while ago :D
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 10, 2011, 01:51:02 am
As last remaining active mafia member, I accept no blame for this probable defeat. :<
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 10, 2011, 01:52:58 am
Also Leafsfail:
Jack A T - 0 -
Jokerman-EXE - 3 - webadict Mr.Person Jack_A_T
Mr.Person - 0 -
NativeForeigner - 0 -
webadict - 1 - NativeForeigner
Not Voting: Jokerman-EXE
8 minutes to go. Day WILL be processing at Midnight Pacific.
Post by: webadict on July 10, 2011, 05:20:08 am
Also, NativeForeigner's vote appearsto be worth nothing.
And thaaaaatt's why we didn't lose!
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 10, 2011, 09:26:59 am
Also, I picked a very funny 8-minute frame in which to collapse.
Jokerman was a Mafia zombie. Nighttime~
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 13, 2011, 01:21:34 am
Post by: webadict on July 13, 2011, 07:26:50 am
Post by: Think0028 on July 13, 2011, 10:36:33 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 13, 2011, 10:51:21 pm
Sorry if it's against the rules to post during Night, but I honestly think they're not paying attention/gone...
We still have rules?
Post by: IronyOwl on July 13, 2011, 11:10:48 pm
This.Sorry if it's against the rules to post during Night, but I honestly think they're not paying attention/gone...
We still have rules?
Post by: Think0028 on July 13, 2011, 11:33:27 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 13, 2011, 11:42:40 pm
Okay, I'm replacing in for the other two spoil specs. Both of I also vote to reveal Native.
Wasn't I... already revealed?
Post by: Think0028 on July 13, 2011, 11:48:34 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 14, 2011, 02:46:05 am
Post by: Think0028 on July 14, 2011, 10:45:00 am
Post by: Vector on July 19, 2011, 10:27:10 pm
8 minutes to go. Day WILL be processing at Midnight Pacific.
It will?
Post by: Think0028 on July 19, 2011, 10:28:24 pm
Post by: webadict on July 19, 2011, 11:26:24 pm
Post by: Vector on July 19, 2011, 11:31:45 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 20, 2011, 03:21:45 am
Post by: IronyOwl on July 20, 2011, 03:31:51 am
I really want to declare it over and just say "Nobody wins," but that's not fair to the people who SHOULD have won / to the people who would otherwise win.Perhaps this is partially bitterness because I already lost like a bitch, but I kind of get the feeling nobody has won/everyone has lost anyway.
Post by: webadict on July 20, 2011, 07:12:38 am
The sheer amount of derp has reached levels where I'm not sure what to do. I really want to declare it over and just say "Nobody wins," but that's not fair to the people who SHOULD have won / to the people who would otherwise win. It also doesn't account for that a good/bad law could drag this out for 29785937 more years. :IWhy don't you just POST it, so we have some sort of idea.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 20, 2011, 01:29:42 pm
Game's pretty much over anyhow.
This.
Pand, either start the day or call the game. Doing nothing and letting the game sit around is the worst possible thing you can do right now. I don't care if you just admit this was too complex, but I'm going to be pissed off if this is too complex and you're being a shitty mod either due to shittiness or to try to save some face.
Post by: Toaster on July 20, 2011, 01:47:25 pm
Post by: Think0028 on July 20, 2011, 02:14:00 pm
Post by: webadict on July 20, 2011, 02:40:56 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on July 20, 2011, 07:37:30 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 21, 2011, 04:43:25 am
It ends in FAILURE. I'd also be willing to call it a Cult victory or a town victory.
Town: You lurked all the time, for FUCKING ever. Ottofar, what were you even DOING? That aside... ugh.
Mafia: You lurked all the time, and on the last Night, Native (after his partners were modkilled, taking away the possibility of the Most Undeserved Victory)... shot Webadict? Making another Chrysalid? After claiming Mafia the day before? You basically gave up any chance of winning with the claim. Native could MAYBE have deserved a win if he pulled it off then but it was basically impossible.
Cult: You were probably the most deserving of winning, as a group. Jack and Jim were consistently active and all that jazz.
Though my recordkeeping of PMs and such degenerates over time, I'll shortly be posting more in-depth details and my thoughts from throughout the game as well as the Google Document, with unused Laws, which I might want to reuse for future Sleeping Goddery, excised. For now, I need to do some stuff, get some food, shower, and get ready to sleep.
Post by: webadict on July 21, 2011, 07:20:24 am
The game is over.So... I was a Chrasylid? I recruit MrPerson, we lynch Native, game over. Cult win.
It ends in FAILURE. I'd also be willing to call it a Cult victory or a town victory.
Town: You lurked all the time, for FUCKING ever. Ottofar, what were you even DOING? That aside... ugh.
Mafia: You lurked all the time, and on the last Night, Native (after his partners were modkilled, taking away the possibility of the Most Undeserved Victory)... shot Webadict? Making another Chrysalid? After claiming Mafia the day before? You basically gave up any chance of winning with the claim. Native could MAYBE have deserved a win if he pulled it off then but it was basically impossible.
Cult: You were probably the most deserving of winning, as a group. Jack and Jim were consistently active and all that jazz.
Though my recordkeeping of PMs and such degenerates over time, I'll shortly be posting more in-depth details and my thoughts from throughout the game as well as the Google Document, with unused Laws, which I might want to reuse for future Sleeping Goddery, excised. For now, I need to do some stuff, get some food, shower, and get ready to sleep.
Post by: Toaster on July 21, 2011, 07:35:39 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 21, 2011, 07:49:08 am
The people who really didn't deserve to win ate a majority of the modkills yesterday. Call it a Cult victory.
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 21, 2011, 08:51:20 pm
The game is over.So... I was a Chrasylid? I recruit MrPerson, we lynch Native, game over. Cult win.
It ends in FAILURE. I'd also be willing to call it a Cult victory or a town victory.
Town: You lurked all the time, for FUCKING ever. Ottofar, what were you even DOING? That aside... ugh.
Mafia: You lurked all the time, and on the last Night, Native (after his partners were modkilled, taking away the possibility of the Most Undeserved Victory)... shot Webadict? Making another Chrysalid? After claiming Mafia the day before? You basically gave up any chance of winning with the claim. Native could MAYBE have deserved a win if he pulled it off then but it was basically impossible.
Cult: You were probably the most deserving of winning, as a group. Jack and Jim were consistently active and all that jazz.
Though my recordkeeping of PMs and such degenerates over time, I'll shortly be posting more in-depth details and my thoughts from throughout the game as well as the Google Document, with unused Laws, which I might want to reuse for future Sleeping Goddery, excised. For now, I need to do some stuff, get some food, shower, and get ready to sleep.
But I NKed you. D:
Post by: webadict on July 21, 2011, 09:09:05 pm
...The game is over.So... I was a Chrasylid? I recruit MrPerson, we lynch Native, game over. Cult win.
It ends in FAILURE. I'd also be willing to call it a Cult victory or a town victory.
Town: You lurked all the time, for FUCKING ever. Ottofar, what were you even DOING? That aside... ugh.
Mafia: You lurked all the time, and on the last Night, Native (after his partners were modkilled, taking away the possibility of the Most Undeserved Victory)... shot Webadict? Making another Chrysalid? After claiming Mafia the day before? You basically gave up any chance of winning with the claim. Native could MAYBE have deserved a win if he pulled it off then but it was basically impossible.
Cult: You were probably the most deserving of winning, as a group. Jack and Jim were consistently active and all that jazz.
Though my recordkeeping of PMs and such degenerates over time, I'll shortly be posting more in-depth details and my thoughts from throughout the game as well as the Google Document, with unused Laws, which I might want to reuse for future Sleeping Goddery, excised. For now, I need to do some stuff, get some food, shower, and get ready to sleep.
But I NKed you. D:
Do you even know what a Zombie is?
Post by: Think0028 on July 21, 2011, 09:12:17 pm
Post by: Vector on July 21, 2011, 10:01:55 pm
On the other hand, it was just a bit too crazy. I think that BYOR:P is the general level of insanity we should ascribe to, so that once in a while we can run a KWN or similar, and folks will have the energy for it.
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 21, 2011, 10:26:44 pm
Panda told me I still had my mafiakeel....The game is over.So... I was a Chrasylid? I recruit MrPerson, we lynch Native, game over. Cult win.
It ends in FAILURE. I'd also be willing to call it a Cult victory or a town victory.
Town: You lurked all the time, for FUCKING ever. Ottofar, what were you even DOING? That aside... ugh.
Mafia: You lurked all the time, and on the last Night, Native (after his partners were modkilled, taking away the possibility of the Most Undeserved Victory)... shot Webadict? Making another Chrysalid? After claiming Mafia the day before? You basically gave up any chance of winning with the claim. Native could MAYBE have deserved a win if he pulled it off then but it was basically impossible.
Cult: You were probably the most deserving of winning, as a group. Jack and Jim were consistently active and all that jazz.
Though my recordkeeping of PMs and such degenerates over time, I'll shortly be posting more in-depth details and my thoughts from throughout the game as well as the Google Document, with unused Laws, which I might want to reuse for future Sleeping Goddery, excised. For now, I need to do some stuff, get some food, shower, and get ready to sleep.
But I NKed you. D:
Do you even know what a Zombie is?
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 21, 2011, 10:27:56 pm
Something about NKing Webadict and using the Rose he'd lost some time ago.
I don't even know.
PPE: Native, the possession of the kill wasn't the problem. Its target was.
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 21, 2011, 10:45:10 pm
If Native didn't understand that he was dooming himself if he NK'd anyone but a Chryssalid when a Chryssalid was alive that WOULD explain the... well...
Something about NKing Webadict and using the Rose he'd lost some time ago.
I don't even know.
PPE: Native, the possession of the kill wasn't the problem. Its target was.
I honestly had no idea what was happening, it was a shot in the dark.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 21, 2011, 10:45:36 pm
Post by: webadict on July 21, 2011, 10:46:51 pm
Post by: Jack A T on July 21, 2011, 11:16:29 pm
Post by: Jack A T on July 21, 2011, 11:59:16 pm
Post by: Vector on July 22, 2011, 12:03:18 am
Post by: Jack A T on July 22, 2011, 12:18:37 am
Archangel day is THE BEST. I'm laughing so hard I'm squeaking.
Aye, that was hilarious.
FUCK THIS. FUCK EVERYONE. I AM A WAFFLE.
Post by: Vector on July 22, 2011, 12:19:42 am
Quote
"Well, fuck."
I will make sure to have weird killer zombifying alien sex until the end, Jim. The cult shall not fall.
Also this.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 22, 2011, 05:41:49 am
Yeah.
They one-shot any unit and turn them into a zombie, which does exactly what the Chryssalid here did... except being alien-aligned from the moment of zombification.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 22, 2011, 09:32:59 am
Post by: Vector on July 22, 2011, 09:34:56 am
I also sent in Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=PL&hl=pl&v=90w9_GoTQj4), but fortunately I don't think that had any effect on the game.
Post by: Toaster on July 22, 2011, 01:03:39 pm
You're welcome.
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 22, 2011, 03:15:48 pm
I sent in The Rose and the Nightingale >_> <_<
I also sent in Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=PL&hl=pl&v=90w9_GoTQj4), but fortunately I don't think that had any effect on the game.
I know. I was Queen Mafia and had Rose and Nightingale as an ability.
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 22, 2011, 03:17:33 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 22, 2011, 03:22:27 pm
That explains a bit.
Going to actually do what I said I would to the Google Doc sometime today.
Post by: Toaster on July 22, 2011, 10:42:24 pm
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 22, 2011, 10:52:16 pm
I blame Leafsnail and Jokerman.
^^
Post by: Toaster on July 22, 2011, 10:54:20 pm
Oooh yeah.
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 22, 2011, 11:07:48 pm
And yeah, that was me that boned you.
Oooh yeah.
</3
Post by: Heliman on July 23, 2011, 03:35:15 am
Post by: webadict on July 23, 2011, 07:13:43 am
NaitiveForeigner >c> Toaster. Updating the shipping walls now.Oh dear God... I don't wanna know who I'm being shipped with... O_o
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 23, 2011, 07:21:07 am
Hey there~NaitiveForeigner >c> Toaster. Updating the shipping walls now.Oh dear God... I don't wanna know who I'm being shipped with... O_o
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 23, 2011, 07:25:15 am
Enjoy. I do believe all the stuff I don't want seen is scrubbed adequately.
Post by: IronyOwl on July 23, 2011, 08:14:06 am
...what went wrong? >:I
Also, was there actually any reason mentioning that I was the Roguelike in the thread would have been a bad idea, or was it just modwrath-enforced?
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 23, 2011, 08:49:13 am
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 23, 2011, 01:15:50 pm
NaitiveForeigner >c> Toaster. Updating the shipping walls now.
Oh geez...
Post by: Heliman on July 23, 2011, 02:32:29 pm
It isn't obvious?NaitiveForeigner >c> Toaster. Updating the shipping walls now.Oh dear God... I don't wanna know who I'm being shipped with... O_o
Webadict <3 Webadict.
Post by: webadict on July 23, 2011, 02:42:45 pm
Hmm... Of course. It makes perfect sense.It isn't obvious?NaitiveForeigner >c> Toaster. Updating the shipping walls now.Oh dear God... I don't wanna know who I'm being shipped with... O_o
Webadict <3 Webadict.
Post by: NativeForeigner on July 23, 2011, 02:48:43 pm
It's only obvious.Hmm... Of course. It makes perfect sense.It isn't obvious?NaitiveForeigner >c> Toaster. Updating the shipping walls now.Oh dear God... I don't wanna know who I'm being shipped with... O_o
Webadict <3 Webadict.
Post by: Think0028 on July 23, 2011, 02:55:29 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on July 23, 2011, 03:04:38 pm
Post by: Vector on July 23, 2011, 03:22:27 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 23, 2011, 03:59:44 pm
Also, if Leafsnail ever shows up again, the reason he had such an apparently-useless power is because one of the Laws gave him the potential to make it extremely powerful.
Post by: webadict on July 23, 2011, 07:32:14 pm
Wuba wubs Wuba, duh. Wubas gonna wub.Douba Wuba.
Post by: Toaster on July 23, 2011, 10:51:07 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 24, 2011, 01:57:08 am
He was fifth on the roster of the people still alive; Native's info was Zrk2-related.
Then, and this is a random guess at the past, I realized I'd herped something up with the Night actions and rerolled it without bothering to note it. Or I forgot I'd already rolled and rolled when I sent out his PM. Or something.