Post by: kaijyuu on October 21, 2011, 05:49:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/JnSYc.png)
Afraid to get DIRTY!? ...not quite.
Welcome to the thread about the best cartoon released in recent memory, supposing it's your favorite cartoon released in recent memory. Abandon all cynicism all ye who enter here, for here there be ponies.
Anywho, last two threads were locked. Please conform to the following in order to stop it from happening again.
1) No porn.
2) No picture spamming. Posting pictures is fine but have something to say about them other than "d'aww."
3) Discuss things other than the above two rules.
Additional rules that won't result in thread lock if violated, but will result in angry stares from Fluttershy:
1) Spoiler any leaked info on future episodes.
2) Spoiler any information on new episodes until at least 1 day after it has aired (not everyone has instant access to the hub or youtube).
3) Be civil; no whining about people not liking the show, no whining about people liking the show, etc. Give respect to bronies and non-bronies alike.
If you want to know exactly when the next episode airs, check here! (http://ponycountdown.com/)
Now, post ponies and pony related things!
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 21, 2011, 05:50:46 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 21, 2011, 05:52:20 pm
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 21, 2011, 05:52:36 pm
What is this, the third thread? I wasn't a brony before the recently locked one so I wouldn't know about the first.
Neither was I, but the (take 2) in the thread title might be some kind of indication.
'Tis sad it got locked, but life goes on, I guess
Post by: Fniff on October 21, 2011, 05:53:05 pm
I'm kinda behind on the episodes. What ones should I watch or not?
Post by: kaijyuu on October 21, 2011, 05:53:34 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 21, 2011, 05:54:31 pm
Right, let's not screw this up, people.
I'm kinda behind on the episodes. What ones should I watch or not?
Watch ALL the episodes!
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 21, 2011, 05:55:41 pm
Right, let's not screw this up, people.
I'm kinda behind on the episodes. What ones should I watch or not?
Watch ALL the episodes!
This.
ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 21, 2011, 05:55:43 pm
Anyway, all the episodes are worth watching. Lesson Zero is... Frightening, slightly, but it's still worth watching.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 21, 2011, 05:58:13 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 21, 2011, 06:00:39 pm
I think if it wasn't for our Luna pic spam, it wouldn't have been locked.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 21, 2011, 06:01:06 pm
Unfortunately, she picked the single worst time to come back.
You're going to use a night called Nightmare Night to try and redeem yourself from a time when you tried to make the night last forever.
As Nightmare Moon.
Excellent logic!
Post by: Dsarker on October 21, 2011, 06:02:09 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 21, 2011, 06:02:22 pm
I can't wait for tomorrow's episode. Let's talk about that.Please spoiler stuff until at least a day or so after the episode airs.
I think I'll add that to the OP.
*also excited for new episode* Don't screw it up, guys!
Post by: Necro910 on October 21, 2011, 06:04:05 pm
We get to see Luna again. Hooray!Scaring small children shit-less is a plus!
Unfortunately, she picked the single worst time to come back.
You're going to use a night called Nightmare Night to try and redeem yourself from a time when you tried to make the night last forever.
As Nightmare Moon.
Excellent logic!
Post by: Dsarker on October 21, 2011, 06:04:24 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 21, 2011, 06:05:12 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 21, 2011, 06:14:32 pm
So can we still discuss images if we don't link them?
Also, looking forward to this episode so much that I stopped taking turns in Aurora because I wanted to concentrate on anticipation.
Finally, although I apparently wasn't held responsible (I'm guessing there were posts that got deleted?), I'd like to apologize for posting the two cute Luna pics that may or may not have started it.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 21, 2011, 06:18:24 pm
And "dawwww" doesn't count as discussion :P
Post by: Flying Dice on October 21, 2011, 06:25:47 pm
Linking/spoilering is fine, just don't everyone post a bunch of pictures and nothing else.
And "dawwww" doesn't count as discussion :P
Ah that sounds good, and nicely heads off my next relevant question. :P
Of course, being a Liberal Arts major, I can write pages upon pages of BS analysis to hide the fact that I'm essentially saying "d'aww".
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 21, 2011, 06:26:22 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 21, 2011, 06:27:55 pm
Post by: Glowcat on October 21, 2011, 06:28:22 pm
Linking/spoilering is fine, just don't everyone post a bunch of pictures and nothing else.
Everything that isn't dirty/horrifying. No more getting threads locked please.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 21, 2011, 06:30:49 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 21, 2011, 06:34:42 pm
So for any other CS:S players out there, how much hate do you run into for pony avatars/sprays? Because I've really not seen much at all. Of course, I pretty much only play on the FFN rotation server, sooo~I haven't gotten any, but that's because
1. I got CS:S a week ago :P
2. It's not 100% about ponies
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Post by: Flying Dice on October 21, 2011, 06:39:48 pm
So for any other CS:S players out there, how much hate do you run into for pony avatars/sprays? Because I've really not seen much at all. Of course, I pretty much only play on the FFN rotation server, sooo~I haven't gotten any, but that's because
1. I got CS:S a week ago :P
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Heresy! Everything is about ponies, even if everything has yet to be informed of the fact. And seriously, usually 3+ pony sprays in a given server, if it is decently populated.
For a second I thought that was a direct link to memebase and I was going to be all ashamed, but then it wasn't, so now I'm mildly pleased. :P
Post by: Necro910 on October 21, 2011, 06:47:32 pm
Heresy! Everything is about ponies, even if everything has yet to be informed of the fact.OF COURSE! It all makes sense now!
The planets are really just Applebloom chasing her tail like in your .gif! And the sun is really an oven!
I HAVE BEEN ENLIGHTENED.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 21, 2011, 06:53:58 pm
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 21, 2011, 07:09:29 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 21, 2011, 07:11:24 pm
www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=95057.0
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 21, 2011, 07:18:30 pm
Post by: freeformschooler on October 21, 2011, 07:27:41 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 21, 2011, 07:32:24 pm
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it's a great show for all agesFTFY.
And yeah some people like the expressions some don't. I'm in the latter camp.
Oh god this is awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOAh6NL-Saw)
Post by: Flying Dice on October 21, 2011, 07:35:19 pm
Also, I decided to take tagg's list of pony tumblrs and put them in my sig, before the dead thread sinks into oblivion.
I've got it in the gilded halls of my favorites already. :P
Me being deprived of both sleep and logic, my brony friend convinced me to watch Lesson Zero (even though I had never watched a full episode before, like I said once, it's a great show for little girls). Admittedly, that was pretty funny, but the facial expressions were mildly disturbing.
The expressions were (IMO) very OOC. But looking at the spoilers for Nightmare Night, it appears that my irrational fears were wrong, and that episode was just a one-off memefest rather than the start of a new theme. Hopefully.
Anyhow, I'd recommend that you watch the first 28 episodes in the 13 hours or so until Nightmare Night airs, just so you're caught up on canon. Better yet, watch them twice.
kaijyuu, that video... The syncing with the lyrics was mediocre, but the song was amazing~! Thanks for posting the link. :D
Post by: Sowelu on October 21, 2011, 07:51:02 pm
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 21, 2011, 07:58:46 pm
So for any other CS:S players out there, how much hate do you run into for pony avatars/sprays? Because I've really not seen much at all. Of course, I pretty much only play on the FFN rotation server, sooo~
Now, admittedly, I don't play CS:S, but I've only run into one guy hating on pony stuff in TF2 while playing with both Twilight spray and avatar. The whole server ignored him until he left. Now, the server I regularly (read: always) play on has quite a few regulars with pony sprays, names and/or avatars, so it might not be the best place to find pony hate in, and honestly, I prefer it that way.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 21, 2011, 07:59:52 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 21, 2011, 08:04:19 pm
My understanding is TF2 has a hell of a lot of bronies among its players. That's why all the crossover jokes and movies.DISPENSER
Post by: Flying Dice on October 21, 2011, 08:07:24 pm
My understanding is TF2 has a hell of a lot of bronies among its players. That's why all the crossover jokes and movies.DISPENSER
Yep. Pony/TF2 have possibly the largest shared pool of fans.
Post by: Dsarker on October 21, 2011, 08:19:09 pm
Fluttershy...is...horrible....I'll never recover from it.
Post by: Hitty40 on October 21, 2011, 08:20:02 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 21, 2011, 08:22:52 pm
She does....
SHE DOES!
And then there's Pinkie Pie. First time she might fly. Then she might eat her victims alive. Then she might shoot them to death.
Post by: Sowelu on October 21, 2011, 08:25:34 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 21, 2011, 08:26:55 pm
add it to the mix~
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 21, 2011, 08:33:18 pm
A bit of salt, just a pinch!
Post by: kaijyuu on October 21, 2011, 08:34:22 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 21, 2011, 08:39:59 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 21, 2011, 08:49:03 pm
SO MOIST AND DELICIOUS~
SANDVICH!
I'M COMING FOR YOU!
SANDVICH!
SANDVICH!
SANDVICH!
SANDVICH!
Post by: Hitty40 on October 21, 2011, 08:50:28 pm
SANDVICH!
SO MOIST AND DELICIOUS~
SANDVICH!
I'M COMING FOR YOU!
SANDVICH!
SANDVICH!
SANDVICH!
SANDVICH!
You should have just got the Medic to heal you, fatty.
Post by: Sowelu on October 21, 2011, 09:17:19 pm
Oh man search the web for "Past Sins" and look at the order of the top 3 hits...
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 21, 2011, 09:23:00 pm
So let's see, Past Sins is a MLP fanfic, a book on the paranormal and a movie about a criminal lawyer. Who knew.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 21, 2011, 09:24:45 pm
Post by: Sowelu on October 21, 2011, 09:26:01 pm
Past Sins has a TVTropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/PastSins) page. This is news to me.And it ranks higher on Google than the book or movie.
So let's see, Past Sins is a MLP fanfic, a book on the paranormal and a movie about a criminal lawyer. Who knew.
Post by: dragonshardz on October 21, 2011, 11:18:19 pm
Mwahaha, calling the new thread.
Anywho, last two were locked. Please conform to the following in order to stop it from happening again.
1) No porn.
2) No picture spamming.
3) Discuss things other than the above two rules.
Also, since the show's still running and new episodes are constantly coming out, I'm gonna ask everyone to SPOILER spoilers until at least a day after the episode airs. This includes early leaks about said episodes (though not necessarily speculation). Remember, not everyone has immediate access to the hub or youtube.
If you want to know exactly when the next episode airs, check here! (http://ponycountdown.com/)
Now, post ponies and pony related things!
If you wanna dump images, might I recommend placing LINKS to the images inside spoiler tags? Thus, instead of HUEG IMAGES, we get nice, orderly, low-intensity lists of links.
Post by: darkflagrance on October 22, 2011, 12:20:50 am
Post by: Zangi on October 22, 2011, 12:38:14 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2011, 01:01:40 am
On another note, <8 hours! :D
Post by: runiq on October 22, 2011, 02:50:53 am
So hey, what's the deal with next week's episode? Just saw that it's going to be the same as this week's, apparently.
(Sorry, guess I'm a bit behind the times.)
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 22, 2011, 02:54:22 am
/sadfaec
Post by: Solifuge on October 22, 2011, 03:14:07 am
Do try to avoid the weirdness this time. It makes me feel uncomfortable for you.
Post by: Jimmy on October 22, 2011, 04:18:21 am
And now for some awesome crossover art.
Spoiler: Legend of Ditzy (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Snowshy Flutterwhite (click to show/hide)
Thank god for EqD's Drawfriend posts. It makes for a wonderful interlude between episodes.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 22, 2011, 05:52:06 am
Wrapping up the Winter, One more Time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4OQAkrxcI&feature=related)
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 22, 2011, 09:33:33 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 22, 2011, 09:34:23 am
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Post by: Crazy Cow on October 22, 2011, 09:36:11 am
Spoilers will be spoilers, forgot D:
Post by: Jimmy on October 22, 2011, 09:51:43 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 22, 2011, 09:53:25 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 22, 2011, 10:04:30 am
The quality isn't amazing, but it works.
Post by: Jimmy on October 22, 2011, 10:15:32 am
Watched it.
Post by: jaxy15 on October 22, 2011, 10:27:14 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 22, 2011, 10:29:10 am
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Post by: kaijyuu on October 22, 2011, 10:30:28 am
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Hell of a lot better than Lesson Zero.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 22, 2011, 10:40:42 am
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An "amniomorphic" spell sounds like it morphs things that have to do with a forming fetus. I imagine that would mean you could use amniomorphic magic to change things like the color of your foal before it's born, something that isn't terribly far away for us to do via genetic skulduggery.
EDIT:
There's also amniocentesis, diagnosing birth defects before a baby is born. That kind of magic would be valuable to stop all kinds of nasty problems like autism that we have trouble with today.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 22, 2011, 10:43:36 am
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Post by: Fniff on October 22, 2011, 11:28:43 am
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Post by: Fniff on October 22, 2011, 11:36:57 am
So I tried watching the first part of the return of harmony. Then I realized that I still only like the show because of the characters and the many ways they could react to situations I could put them in in fan fiction. So, I didn't finish it and right now I'm pondering what would happen if the Suffering and this show was crossed-over.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 22, 2011, 11:52:17 am
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Title: May the Best Pet Win!wut
Synopsis: Rainbow Dash hosts a flying race to see who will be her pet.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 22, 2011, 11:53:39 am
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 22, 2011, 12:12:33 pm
Inb4 Scootaloo wins the race and becomes RD'sbitchpet.
Oh, god. Having Scootaloo enter that race would be so wrong on so many levels.
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 22, 2011, 12:40:03 pm
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Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 22, 2011, 01:01:26 pm
Post by: Mephisto on October 22, 2011, 02:17:17 pm
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Inb4 Scootaloo wins the race and becomes RD'sbitchpet.
Oh, god. Having Scootaloo enter that race would be so wrong on so many levels.
The
And yes, having RD call Scootaloo her "pet" in canon would be bait for so many horrible(?) things...
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 22, 2011, 03:01:54 pm
Scary butt fun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvGZNxjPUR8&feature=feedu)
:o
I laughed so hard my brother is looking at me funny...
Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2011, 03:04:14 pm
Scary butt fun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvGZNxjPUR8&feature=feedu)
:o
I laughed so hard my brother is looking at me funny...
Why would you laugh at scary butt fun? It's supposed to be scary! :P
Post by: BowlSoldier on October 22, 2011, 03:37:28 pm
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Still, enjoyable episode, although I couldn't help but wince at a couple moments.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 22, 2011, 03:51:32 pm
her own episode
episode four is my favorite and i haven't even seen it yet q;
My opinion has not changed in the slightest.
Post by: tehstefan on October 22, 2011, 05:08:51 pm
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Post by: alexwazer on October 22, 2011, 05:16:46 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2011, 06:34:22 pm
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This was spot-on, I think. Torn between laughing at Twilight and laughing at Fluttershy...
Post by: kaijyuu on October 22, 2011, 06:57:35 pm
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 22, 2011, 07:32:17 pm
Not sure if this will stay my avatar, but it'll do.
I'm considering getting Zecora avatar, just because she looks so awesome in her costume's hair...
I can't just abandon Twilight just like that, though.
Post by: Kirbypowered on October 22, 2011, 08:26:20 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2011, 08:59:16 pm
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Also, thought about grabbing a Luna avatar. Might do it later tonight.
Post by: Fniff on October 22, 2011, 09:04:52 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2011, 09:12:43 pm
Dear Christ. That drawing is really haunting, now that I think about it.
I am Rainbow of Borg. You will be assimilated.
Post by: Dsarker on October 22, 2011, 09:18:40 pm
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Post by: Heliman on October 22, 2011, 10:16:18 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2011, 10:16:28 pm
Also, time for your hourly d'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwww (http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/295/2/2/pinkie_cupcake_pie_by_sugaryrainbow-d4dl6ca.png)
I feel that the artist's choice to further stylize and simplify the body shape of Pinkie Pie was a major component in the formation of the level of cute embodied by this image. The placement of Pinkie within an oversized cupcake paper symbolizes both her spirit and her occupation, while the candy in her mane represents the fact that it is a form of hammerspace, and does so without being as disgusting as hair full of sticky candy should be. Her eyes in particular capture the essence of her joyful soul, brightening the day of any who would gaze into their aquamarine depths.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 22, 2011, 10:32:45 pm
...That is, if someone is willing to crop it for me. *hint hint*
Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2011, 10:58:11 pm
I'll gladly take a costumed Zecora avatar.
...That is, if someone is willing to crop it for me. *hint hint*
I'll give it a shot. What dimensions were you wanting?
Post by: Zangi on October 22, 2011, 11:21:51 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2011, 11:30:49 pm
I'll gladly take a costumed Zecora avatar.
...That is, if someone is willing to crop it for me. *hint hint*
I got a few screengrabs and cropped them to appropriate shapes, but if you want to fine tune them or resize them you'll have to do that yourself. I'll pm them to you so it doesn't look like I'm spamming images. :P
On a related note, I noticed this and decided that something needed to be done with it. I was torn between what I did, a pokemon joke, or a Guile joke. I don't even play the game, but whatever, I hope it gets some laughs.
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And yes it is annoying cleaning up the Hub watermark in MSPaint.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 22, 2011, 11:49:47 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 22, 2011, 11:51:35 pm
Thank ye, Dice. I tip my hat to you. 8)
Aww, you didn't pick the one where she was staring at the pile of glowing, uh, manic pixie dust. :P
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 22, 2011, 11:52:09 pm
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Because they've been alive all that time, even if they haven't been able to interact with the world they still likely were able to observe it. Luna's personality was submerged, so she as an individual probably didn't experience much, if any, time during the thousand years on the moon. I mentioned an example before that I think suits this situation very well; imagine if one of the kings of England from around 900-1100 CE went to sleep and then woke up in the modern U.K. Yeah, that bad. On top of that, Discord is essentially a god of chaos, which isn't exactly the sort of personality to hang on to old traditions.
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Post by: SirAaronIII on October 23, 2011, 12:16:28 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 12:54:47 am
Hey Flying Dice, could you PM me the avatar bundle? I might consider switching to one afterNightmare NightHalloween.
Sure. I'll send you the two Luna ones I didn't use, as well. :)
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 01:11:03 am
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Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 01:14:51 am
Thanks! I was expecting more but actually taking caps at exactly the right moment is hard (which is why I asked for these) so I understand.
Yeah, they were just a few I whipped together on a whim, rather than some sort of organized effort. :P
If you could PM me them too... :P
Heh, sure. Like I said though, there are only 4 of Zecora and 2 of Luna. I might go back and get more tomorrow though. I was really tempted to do a He-Man joke with that one of Luna hovering upright. That, or Highlander. If anyone wanted something specific from that episode, go ahead and ask, and I might do it before I
Post by: kaijyuu on October 23, 2011, 02:25:02 am
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Post by: LordBucket on October 23, 2011, 03:12:05 am
Luna was annoying. The premise of the episode was that she was carrying the idiot ball, just like Lesson Zero's premise was that Twilight was carrying it. Pinkie was once again a hollow shell of her former self. She had lines this time, but it was like it wasn't her speaking them, just some pinkish facsimile of her. Rarity wasn't even in the episode. I guess they just forgot about her? I spent more time cringing that I did enjoying it.
Disappointed.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 23, 2011, 03:35:29 am
I've talked to several who were lukewarm, but no one but you have said it's not at least a decent episode. Seriously; scour the equestria daily comments on the episode. See if you can find someone who hated the episode. I'll wait.
If it's your personal shark jumping, that's fine. Understand though, two dud episodes does not ruin a series. Isn't it a bit presumptuous to assume?
Truth be told, I'm still a bit skeptical since the main creative lead is now largely out of the picture. However, I'm still giving it a good 8 or so more episodes before calling anything. Firstly of course I think I'd need more evidence before calling shark jumping, and secondly this series has huge value to me through analysis, and that requires time. Most shows, when you dig deep into them, have plot holes and other junk. This one, I just find more things to like.* I was pretty lukewarm to the Return of Harmony two parter when I first saw them. Now they're among my favorites.
*Should be noted that neither Lesson Zero or Luna Eclipsed have really shown much in this area yet. Lesson Zero was an almost total failure, actually, but Luna Eclipsed was pretty good in the details except the plot holes concerning episode 1.
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 03:40:22 am
Plus she would have fit right in with Luna. Especially with the thees and thous.
Plus
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Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 03:53:22 am
Statue is new, but the celebration isn't.
Actually, real question here, how long has it been since first two episodes?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 23, 2011, 03:53:49 am
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/RainbowSlash3.png)
I should point out that the entirety of that image was made way past my normal sleep time, so the quality suffers from that. Also, I can't use the "thick colored outlines" thing properly, really messes with the mechanical bits.
I think I'll go back to sketch stage and try to do it in a more normal way later.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 23, 2011, 03:56:22 am
Actually, real question here, how long has it been since first two episodes?Real time: First episode october 10th, 2010. Second October 22nd, 2010 (luna's last appearance was exactly one year before Luna Eclipsed, mwahahaha).
In universe time: Uncertain. Possibly under a year if this celebration is before the summer sun celebration. Over a year if there's been another summer sun celebration but not an episode for it (yet?).
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 03:58:52 am
Why is the celebration not new? How do we know? Because Nightmare Moon is their version of the boogeyman. We know that Spike knows enough without, presumably, being familiar with the story, to say 'but that's just an old ponies' tale'.
The entire celebration is put on by the adults like a halloween party is. Sure, there's 'scary' stuff, but we've also got the 'babysitter' type, who is clearly intelligent enough to know that the only reason she's being 'scared' of Nightmare Moon is to play with the kids.
They probably didn't know that Luna was coming, but they had been used enough to the celebration that they already had things reasonably organised. I'm thinking that season 2 happens at least two years, maybe more, after season 1.
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 05:40:04 am
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 07:45:08 am
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Discuss.
Post by: LordBucket on October 23, 2011, 09:45:17 am
Rarity was cut for time
Note Lauren's phrasing:
"Sounds like" she got cut.
Translation: She didn't know, because she's no longer a big enough part of the team to even know, she didn't watch the final cut before it was considered a finished product, she didn't watch it at any point during the (8 months?) between completion and airing, and apparently, she didn't even bother to watch it when it did.
Lauren found out Rarity wasn't in the episode when a fan told her. Apparently that's how much a part of the project she is now.
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 12:00:00 pm
How are things going for fellow bronies?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 23, 2011, 12:07:29 pm
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 12:11:39 pm
Good to hear you're doing okay.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 23, 2011, 12:12:57 pm
Hello everypony!
How are things going for fellow bronies?
I read this in Twi's voice. You're going to hear that too, once you read this.
And welcome to Bay12, where the Shanghai is always noon and the crabs are aplenty.
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 12:14:32 pm
Hello everypony!
How are things going for fellow bronies?
I read this in Twi's voice. You're going to hear that too, once you read this.
And welcome to Bay12, where the Shanghai is always noon and Crabs are aplenty.
What have you done to my mind, I can hear Twilight speaking to me...
Post by: Zaerosz on October 23, 2011, 12:40:57 pm
These are things no man, dwarf or pony is meant to know.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 23, 2011, 12:43:03 pm
No, not really. It's pretty gruesome, but I'd recommend you check out the thread just so you know what's going on and don't get caught in our special little hell.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 23, 2011, 12:43:22 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 23, 2011, 12:51:29 pm
I'd do fanart for the story itself, but I'd need to wear a blindfold while drawing.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 23, 2011, 12:53:41 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 01:04:18 pm
Just pretend that Twilight's modeling for a pony anatomy book. And sweating. Sweating red stuff.
I didn't know they had gatorade in Equestria. ;)
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 01:31:32 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 23, 2011, 01:32:58 pm
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 01:35:18 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 23, 2011, 01:36:30 pm
The author only tortured ONE pony. Come on!
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 23, 2011, 01:37:03 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 23, 2011, 01:37:17 pm
EDIT: Double ninja.
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 01:38:53 pm
Reading fanfics like 'I'd like to be a tree' or 'Equestrian Pie' gave me the strangest boner ever.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 23, 2011, 01:39:30 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 23, 2011, 01:40:52 pm
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 01:41:21 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 23, 2011, 01:43:46 pm
"Hah! You are a fucking furry, you can't taunt us!"
Whatever happened to "I'm gonna love and respect the fuck out of you?"
Post by: kaijyuu on October 23, 2011, 01:46:07 pm
Saw a really annoying thing on Gmod. There was two objects on the Toybox of a severed head of Applejack and Rainbow Dash, I think. The author also happened to be a furry. A brony with the avatar of Pinkie Pie replied:Returning to old habits.
"Hah! You are a fucking furry, you can't taunt us!"
Whatever happened to "I'm gonna love and respect the fuck out of you?"
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 01:46:57 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 23, 2011, 02:00:43 pm
Saw a really annoying thing on Gmod. There was two objects on the Toybox of a severed head of Applejack and Rainbow Dash, I think. The author also happened to be a furry. A brony with the avatar of Pinkie Pie replied:Check this out:
"Hah! You are a fucking furry, you can't taunt us!"
Whatever happened to "I'm gonna love and respect the fuck out of you?"
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Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 02:02:40 pm
Saw a really annoying thing on Gmod. There was two objects on the Toybox of a severed head of Applejack and Rainbow Dash, I think. The author also happened to be a furry. A brony with the avatar of Pinkie Pie replied:Check this out:
"Hah! You are a fucking furry, you can't taunt us!"
Whatever happened to "I'm gonna love and respect the fuck out of you?"These people make me lol.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I lol'd.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 23, 2011, 02:07:53 pm
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 02:19:19 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 23, 2011, 02:21:23 pm
Then I remember that I'm not really all that accountable on the internet, and unless I'm being a complete troll or douche I have the right to post whatever I please.
Post by: Fniff on October 23, 2011, 02:25:35 pm
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 02:26:41 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 23, 2011, 02:37:19 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 02:38:59 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 23, 2011, 02:41:47 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 02:44:21 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 23, 2011, 02:46:14 pm
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 02:55:55 pm
As for me, November 2010.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 23, 2011, 02:56:45 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 23, 2011, 02:58:51 pm
So, when did everypony become a brony/pegasister?
As for me, November 2010.
Right before the buffalo episode.
Also, if anyone's into fan music, SoGreatAndPowerful just made an awesome new song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTugwPjEa2k).
Post by: kaijyuu on October 23, 2011, 03:02:12 pm
I saw the first two episodes a few days before, watched an episode or two here and there, and wasn't convinced until around episode 6 (at which point I stayed up all night watching the entire thing).
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 03:03:12 pm
So, when did everypony become a brony/pegasister?
As for me, November 2010.
Right before the buffalo episode.
Also, if anyone's into fan music, SoGreatAndPowerful just made an awesome new song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTugwPjEa2k).
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Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 23, 2011, 03:03:36 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 03:06:25 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 23, 2011, 03:08:12 pm
So, when did everypony become a brony/pegasister?About a week before season 2 started. Girlinhat infected me :P
As for me, November 2010.
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 03:17:20 pm
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Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 03:20:45 pm
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Scootaloo does look like a chicken.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 23, 2011, 03:24:28 pm
Post by: LordBucket on October 23, 2011, 03:55:28 pm
I've been working on Trixie (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/07/papercraft-trixie.html), but after a couple hours it's become very clear that the final product in that image was not produced from the source (http://kna.deviantart.com/art/GreatandPowerful-Trixie-PCraft-216688208) model. They're similar, but the source has some very obvious errors in it. Like having two left hind legs instead of one left and one right. Things like that I can easily enough mirror on my own, but there are other issues. The forelegs are obviously an early draft that bears little resemblance to the final product.
Yet I've seen others (https://plus.google.com/115445820834939163718/posts) who've made similar to what the original is supposed to look like when done.
I'm about to the point where I'm ready to scrap parts of this and substitute in from another model, possibly Rainbow Dash (http://kna.deviantart.com/art/Rainbow-Dash-Papercraft-206749380), but with Trixie in a rampant position, the straight legs of most other models would look very strange.
Anyone else had similar issues?
Post by: Rose on October 23, 2011, 04:20:45 pm
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 04:25:07 pm
Has anyone done any successful papercraft?
I've been working on Trixie (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/07/papercraft-trixie.html), but after a couple hours it's become very clear that the final product in that image was not produced from the source (http://kna.deviantart.com/art/GreatandPowerful-Trixie-PCraft-216688208) model. They're similar, but the source has some very obvious errors in it. Like having two left hind legs instead of one left and one right. Things like that I can easily enough mirror on my own, but there are other issues. The forelegs are obviously an early draft that bears little resemblance to the final product.
Yet I've seen others (https://plus.google.com/115445820834939163718/posts) who've made similar to what the original is supposed to look like when done.
I'm about to the point where I'm ready to scrap parts of this and substitute in from another model, possibly Rainbow Dash (http://kna.deviantart.com/art/Rainbow-Dash-Papercraft-206749380), but with Trixie in a rampant position, the straight legs of most other models would look very strange.
Anyone else had similar issues?
The closest I got to that was Making an entire Space Marine chapter with a Color scheme based off Ponies.
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 04:35:19 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 23, 2011, 04:39:46 pm
Lesson Zero is my favourite episode of all the ones released so far.It's my second least favorite of the entire series :P
Anywho, weird revelation of the day: I've been playing an idiot idealistic hero in a roleplaying game, and today I realized, after buying ~400 milkshakes and putting it on the mafia's tab, that I'm essentially roleplaying Pinkie Pie. Just a Pinkie Pie that shouts "truth and justice" every once in a while and has a laser sword.
Post by: Necro910 on October 23, 2011, 04:41:13 pm
What are youLesson Zero is my favourite episode of all the ones released so far.It's my second least favorite of the entire series :P
Anywho, weird revelation of the day: I've been playing an idiot idealistic hero in a roleplaying game, and today I realized, after buying ~400 milkshakes and putting it on the mafia's tab, that I'm essentially roleplaying Pinkie Pie. Just a Pinkie Pie that shouts "truth and justice" every once in a while and has a laser sword.
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 23, 2011, 04:42:45 pm
So, when did everypony become a brony/pegasister?
As for me, November 2010.
I can trace the first time I was exposed to anything pony-related back to a post on this very forum (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72838.msg2038612;topicseen#msg2038612). I watched the first episode, and soon after, what was released of season 1. I've been hooked since.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 23, 2011, 04:46:52 pm
*Well actually they might be coming around to my side a bit; we ditched the mafia this very session, so maybe we'll do some actual heroic things! Unlikely, though.
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 04:48:17 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 04:55:08 pm
Lesson Zero is the greatest episode ever. How could you not like it?
For me it was mainly OOC Rarity.
Post by: LordBucket on October 23, 2011, 04:58:15 pm
How could you not like it?
This was discussed rather thoroughly in the previous thread. Most reasons tended to fall into one of three categories:
1) Creepy off-model Twilight is creepy.
2) They're trying too hard to be memetastic.
3) Characters are behaving out of character.
Post by: LordBucket on October 23, 2011, 05:05:27 pm
For me it was mainly OOC Rarity.
How did you feel about Nightmare Night? Since apparently they decided not to bother including Rarity at all.
This is at the heart of my disappointment with the new direction the show is taking. It's my favorite characters that are being ignored and abused by out of characterness. If Twilight were my favorite, it probably wouldn't bother me so much, but she's amongst my least favorite. I love Pinkie Pie. Lesson Zero, she had four lines in the entire episode, half of them were out of character, and they gave Spike some of her Pinkie-being-Pinkieness. Nightmare Night she had lines, but her whole personality seemed off.
Rarity's another favorite of mine, and she got even worse treatment. She's the classy, elegant one. In Lesson Zero all she did was freak out over stupid little things. Does it make sense for Rarity, the pony who took completely in stride being kidnapped into slavery by diamond dogs, to cry herself silly over being unable to find a ribbon that was on the floor? Does it makes sense for Rarity, the pony who mocked Twilight for overeating to losing the mice for the Gala, to suddenly have her whole character be defined by overreacting over every little thing she can? Three times in the same episode? And then Nightmare Night rolls around and they completely axe her from the episode.
Meh.
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 05:09:21 pm
Lesson Zero is the greatest episode ever. How could you not like it?
For me it was mainly OOC Rarity.
Rarity weren't no OOC. She's overly dramatic before she gets on with business. That's how she's always been.
Twilight's not off model.
What do you mean, Memetastic?
Characters aren't out of character.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 23, 2011, 05:14:03 pm
Twilight's not off model.Yes, yes she was. Not the unintentional version, though.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OffModel (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OffModel)
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However, Tropes Are Not Bad. Cartoonist John Kricfalusi has repeatedly stated that "staying on model is only for wimps and communists", or more subtly, if you don't break the character's model to emphasize some emotions, it'd be just as good done live action. The result of staying true to off-model animation is fantastic, in Kricfalusi's case. Walt Disney Animation Australia and Star Toons are also examples. However, their use of it is Depending on the Artist taken Up to Eleven, rather than accidental off model.
The crazy faces are anything but normal expressions. In fact it could be argued the wonky eyes seen sometimes (like in pinkie's breakdown) are minor examples of them going off model for added "expressiveness." Go too far and you get good old narm, which is exactly what happened in Lesson Zero.
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 05:16:48 pm
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Post by: Masked_Hunter1825 on October 23, 2011, 05:18:58 pm
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 05:22:36 pm
Though it feels odd being here, allow me to say that while I dislike the show itself, the animation i've seen is not to bad. But thats about it.
Thats what everypony said...
Post by: Zangi on October 23, 2011, 05:24:46 pm
Didn't we
Post by: Masked_Hunter1825 on October 23, 2011, 05:26:18 pm
Also, if possible Necro.. TONE DOWN THE DAMN PONY PICTURES ON OTHER THREADS. Now, I shall leave. Beating people with their own limbs awaits!
EDIT: Applejacks is a boss in TF2, and I hate fighting her.
Post by: Sordid on October 23, 2011, 05:28:17 pm
Still looks weird to me. I preferred it when it was simple.
And yes, I'm essentially going "they improved it, now it sucks" here.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 05:29:20 pm
Lesson Zero is the greatest episode ever. How could you not like it?
For me it was mainly OOC Rarity.
Rarity weren't no OOC. She's overly dramatic before she gets on with business. That's how she's always been.
Twilight's not off model.
What do you mean, Memetastic?
Characters aren't out of character.
Rarity was massively OOC. She gets dramatic about things that matter to her. What they had her doing in Lesson Zero was repeatedly overreacting to stupid things, not because it was in character, but to give them the chance to pull a prop gag with the sofa. Three times. When it was hardly funny the first time.
Twilight was massively offmodel. Her expressions, as kaijyuu said, narmtastic. There is a difference between exaggerating expressions for effect and doing it because you think it replaces actual humor. The same goes for Rarity's "joke" sofa: One-off gags and narm are not better than actual humor.
Memetastic: The episode was absolutely crammed with things that were obviously intended as memebait. Unsurprisingly, they because memes. Sonic Rainnuke, RD's sunglasses, etc. The references and internet in-jokes in S1 were fairly subtle, and were put there to amuse the creative team. The stuff in Lesson Zero were blatant grabs for attention.
I don't feel that Twilight was actually out of character (apart from the expressions), but Rarity certainly was. It was annoying seeing Pinkie out of character, and much worse to see some of her personality transposed onto Spike so they could do another sight gag. Seriously, the people who thought that LZ was a good idea should reevaluate their priorities, as they apparently thought that that sort of banal one-off joke was a replacement for pretty much everything good about the show.
For me it was mainly OOC Rarity.
How did you feel about Nightmare Night? Since apparently they decided not to bother including Rarity at all.
This is at the heart of my disappointment with the new direction the show is taking. It's my favorite characters that are being ignored and abused by out of characterness. If Twilight were my favorite, it probably wouldn't bother me so much, but she's amongst my least favorite. I love Pinkie Pie. Lesson Zero, she had four lines in the entire episode, half of them were out of character, and they gave Spike some of her Pinkie-being-Pinkieness. Nightmare Night she had lines, but her whole personality seemed off.
I loved Nightmare Night, mainly because of the excellent way they handled Luna. I didn't mind Rarity being absent (in part because she isn't one of my favorites, but also because we've had plenty of other episodes where one or more of the mane six didn't show up/played minor parts), and I really see it as an improvement over LZ. I hope that this means that LZ was just a stunt to gather attention.
No, I don't like the show. Animation is alright but like I said thats as far as it goes. Watched 1 episode because I wanted to see what the damn deal was about. Nothing too much imo. But, everyone has diffirent likes hm?
Also, if possible Necro.. TONE DOWN THE DAMN PONY PICTURES ON OTHER THREADS. Now, I shall leave. Beating people with their own limbs awaits!
Same deal as with the anime thread: If you don't like it, why would you bother posting in here just to bash it? Seems like a waste of time. ???
The animation in this season in general feels really weird. It's probably because they have a bigger budget, so they do more complex stuff with the faces and so on.
Still looks weird to me. I preferred it when it was simple.
And yes, I'm essentially going "they improved it, now it sucks" here.
I agree as far as Lesson Zero. They screwed up a lot in that. If you haven't yet, watch Nightmare Night, they handled it much better.
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 05:29:31 pm
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 05:29:47 pm
I'm of the opinion that Rarity was OOC and crazy Twilight was painful to watch.
Didn't wehave an argumentdiscuss this very same thing earlier?
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Post by: LordBucket on October 23, 2011, 05:30:00 pm
Rarity weren't no OOC. She's overly dramatic before she gets on with business.
No, no, no!
Rarity is not the dramatic one. You obviously don't understand the character. She cares about appearances, yes. That's not "being dramatic." She simply has a high level of expectation when it comes to presentation. The only times Rarity has been "dramatic" have been her Gone with the Wind shout-outs. Like in the Gala episode. But she's not doing what you apparently think she is.
Example:
Best Night Ever 1m 22s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33OxXG26r9Y#t=1m22s)
Watch that closely. Yes, Rarity puts the back of her hand to her forehead and whines "What ever shall we do??!!" But look at it in context. Look at the facial expressions. Twilight is frowning, asking "How will we get to the Gala!" Rarity drops her eyelids, delivers her line, then looks back at Twilight...takes a couple steps into the next frame, solves the problem, and then Twilight is obviously embarrassed that she made such a big deal of it.
The whole point here is that Rarity is pointing out that Twilight is overreacting. And Rarity's had several moment of this sort throughout the show. If you watch only the "What ever shall we do?!!?" without the context, you're misunderstanding what's going on.
Similarly, think of the whole diamond dog episode. She was basically kidnapped into slavery, yet she kept her cool, stared down the diamond dog who threatened her with a spear, and still had the cool-headed dignity to insist that they treat her like a lady. That's not "being dramatic." But during that episode they also showed what everyone else was imaginging she was like. And in those imaginings she was panicky and helpless.
Don't let the third-party imaginings and shout-outs out of context give you an incorrect view of the character.
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 05:31:19 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 05:35:10 pm
But its the same thing that she's doing in this very episode.
In the first season her only "dramatic" moments were references or her emphasizing how simple problems were, essentially her being a bit sarcastic. In Lesson Zero, she has fainting fits every time a minor issue in her life appears. It isn't even done as an attempt to portray her character correctly, either. It is done purely for the sake of that idiotic sofa gag.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 23, 2011, 05:38:44 pm
Those of you who miss Rarity are getting an entire episode with her and Sweetie Belle soon. Chin up.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 05:43:13 pm
Lets not get too riled up here, our latest episode proved that that whole thing was one-off, and I've already sweeped up enough corpses with our prank.
Those of you who miss Rarity are getting an entire episode with her and Sweetie Belle soon. Chin up.
Those two marshmallow blobs do need some exercise.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 23, 2011, 05:46:16 pm
Off-topic, I remembered the X-Com crossover idea again.
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Post by: Necro910 on October 23, 2011, 05:47:42 pm
Nothing on-topic to say except that I did enjoy Nightmare Night more than Lesson Zero.It has a barcode scanner to read itself :P
Off-topic, I remembered the X-Com crossover idea again.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 05:48:37 pm
Who here has MLP toys? I have Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash.
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 23, 2011, 05:50:01 pm
Lets not get too riled up here, our latest episode proved that that whole thing was one-off, and I've already sweeped up enough corpses with our prank.
Those of you who miss Rarity are getting an entire episode with her and Sweetie Belle soon. Chin up.
This. It's not the first time Rarity's been absent from an episode, either, she was not in Feeling Pinkie Keen, for example. In fact, Twilight is the only character that has been present in every episode.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 05:52:46 pm
Post by: Kaiser on October 23, 2011, 06:08:42 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 23, 2011, 06:14:29 pm
Nobody got mad about Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash being prank-obsessed in Griffon the Brush Off, while not playing any pranks for the rest of season 1. Twilight is being more OCD than usual in Lesson Zero. Twilight was extra socially awkward in Look Before You Sleep. Pinkie's Pinkie Sense doesn't appear in any episode but Feeling Pinkie Keen but nobody really cares about that.
I think people are just mad about Pinkie and Rarity because they haven't had an episode to themselves yet this season, so the few lines they have had are given extra scrutiny.
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 23, 2011, 06:24:50 pm
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Post by: kaijyuu on October 23, 2011, 06:29:06 pm
I think what we're seeing in Lesson Zero is the episode-specific character quirks. Basically, different parts of the ponies' personalities are emphasized in different episodes for writing purposes.Otherwise known as flanderization, a staple cop-out for mediocre comedy writing. You can't make a joke out of the situation you've put your characters in, so you inflate a trait or create something new entirely for the sake of a joke. This is a big immersion killer. Fine (in fact, probably great) for a series where you don't necessarily expect immersion; this is not one of those series.
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Nobody got mad about Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash being prank-obsessed in Griffon the Brush Off, while not playing any pranks for the rest of season 1.Oh they did, but they directed the anger at the meddling that caused it. The writers couldn't keep the EI tag without marginalizing their pranks.
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Twilight is being more OCD than usual in Lesson Zero. Twilight was extra socially awkward in Look Before You Sleep.Look Before You Sleep is actually an excellent example of good character writing... for Applejack and Rarity. The episode itself was... meh, but that's due to the setting (sleepovers aren't exactly the most interesting plots).
Concerning Twilight, that's a rather minor example and one I'm pretty forgiving to. If Lesson Zero were on a similar level (and honestly it probably would've been without the stupid crazy expressions), there would've been far, far less complaining. Sometimes you have to bend the rules a bit (nothing's perfect afterall); the question is, do you get a net positive result from it?
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Pinkie's Pinkie Sense doesn't appear in any episode but Feeling Pinkie Keen but nobody really cares about that.Probably because most people try to forget that episode :P It has its merits but the shoehorned and badly, badly worded moral killed it good.
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I think people are just mad about Pinkie and Rarity because they haven't had an episode to themselves yet this season, so the few lines they have had are given extra scrutiny.I'm in agreement here somewhat. Everyone has their favorite pony, and when they feel they're ignored... ::)
My favorite pony has been very in character so far, so I'm not a victim of that (I really loved Applejack's reaction to Luna. Being quick to forget her fear and trust Twilight is so very, very Applejack).
Post by: MC Dirty on October 23, 2011, 09:00:03 pm
No, I did not enjoy Lesson Zero. I had to pause the video quite a few times to cringe and facepalm. The premise of the episode was alright, but I really disliked the execution and animation in it. Although I am a fan of prop gags, Rarity's appearance in the episode wasn't really funny. But Spike breaking the fourth wall and Rainbow Dash's "Deal with it" glasses amused me greatly.
However, I greatly enjoyed Luna Eclipsed. I don't think Pinkie Pie was that out of character and I really liked the portrayal of Luna. I didn't notice too much off-model going on there, so I suppose/hope that was just a one-off joke for Lesson Zero.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 23, 2011, 09:12:49 pm
Post by: Sordid on October 23, 2011, 09:13:12 pm
The animation in this season in general feels really weird. It's probably because they have a bigger budget, so they do more complex stuff with the faces and so on.
Still looks weird to me. I preferred it when it was simple.
And yes, I'm essentially going "they improved it, now it sucks" here.
I agree as far as Lesson Zero. They screwed up a lot in that. If you haven't yet, watch Nightmare Night, they handled it much better.
Better, yes. But still quite weird in some places. And I was quite dismayed by the appearance of yet another little twerp. Aren't the CMC enough?
Also, Fluttershy on the receiving end of slapstick violence is just cringeworthy IMO. That works well for wacky characters, such as Pinkie, or very active and physical ones, like Applejack or Rainbow. Fluttershy... just no, okay?
Post by: Dsarker on October 23, 2011, 09:20:09 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 23, 2011, 09:21:09 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 23, 2011, 09:34:08 pm
Post by: Sordid on October 23, 2011, 09:38:14 pm
Post by: Kirbypowered on October 23, 2011, 10:32:18 pm
I'll just have to hold on until an episode that's not Lesson Zero to see if they've got pinkie's personality down better. Oh, besides that I actually thought everypony seemed to be in character for the most part.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 23, 2011, 11:09:27 pm
So, finally watched Luna Eclipsed a little while ago. For the most part, awesome stuff, though it does feel different. Perhaps it's just the animation style change. The only part that really bothered me was Pinkie's personality. It was just so...weird. It didn't feel very natural, but I'm hoping that that's just because she was in character for the chicken costume or something, as she seemed a bit more Pinkie Pie-ish for the few moments after revealing that she was being scared for fun. I did metaphorically face palm at the inconsiderateness of her actions though.
I'll just have to hold on until an episode that's not Lesson Zero to see if they've got pinkie's personality down better. Oh, besides that I actually thought everypony seemed to be in character for the most part.
She was trying to be in-character for Scootaloo.
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I should punch myself for making a joke that cliched.
Post by: Necro910 on October 23, 2011, 11:12:22 pm
SCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTALOO ISH DA CHEEKKANSo, finally watched Luna Eclipsed a little while ago. For the most part, awesome stuff, though it does feel different. Perhaps it's just the animation style change. The only part that really bothered me was Pinkie's personality. It was just so...weird. It didn't feel very natural, but I'm hoping that that's just because she was in character for the chicken costume or something, as she seemed a bit more Pinkie Pie-ish for the few moments after revealing that she was being scared for fun. I did metaphorically face palm at the inconsiderateness of her actions though.
I'll just have to hold on until an episode that's not Lesson Zero to see if they've got pinkie's personality down better. Oh, besides that I actually thought everypony seemed to be in character for the most part.
She was trying to be in-character for Scootaloo.
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I should punch myself for making a joke that cliched.
Eeyup.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 24, 2011, 12:16:12 am
Made me laugh.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 24, 2011, 12:33:32 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 24, 2011, 01:18:12 am
I think what we're seeing in Lesson Zero is the episode-specific character quirks. Basically, different parts of the ponies' personalities are emphasized in different episodes for writing purposes.Otherwise known as flanderization, a staple cop-out for mediocre comedy writing. You can't make a joke out of the situation you've put your characters in, so you inflate a trait or create something new entirely for the sake of a joke. This is a big immersion killer. Fine (in fact, probably great) for a series where you don't necessarily expect immersion; this is not one of those series.
I know flanderization, but I was more implying that the characters were going to have different parts of their personality emphasized for single episodes when it fit that episode's plot, especially when the character is minor in that episode. Flanderization is more of a permanent thing. Basically what I'm saying is "Just because Rarity was a little bit of an extra drama queen for one episode, for a single gag, doesn't mean this is a permanent change."
Normally I'm not a "guys guys stop complaining and wait" kind of guy but I think everyone is just paranoid about flanderization and these complaints about Pinkie and Rarity are definitely premature.
Post by: Jimmy on October 24, 2011, 03:45:23 am
MARE- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw0Td8lVG1E)SONA! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvam3L34FEo)
Heh, I actually recognized one of those. Gotta say the game was boring as hell though.
Post by: tehstefan on October 24, 2011, 05:29:45 am
Post by: LordBucket on October 24, 2011, 06:30:59 am
characters were going to have different parts of their personality emphasized for single episodes
Flanderization is more of a permanent thing. Basically what I'm saying is "Just because Rarity was a little bit of an extra drama queen for one episode, for a single gag, doesn't mean this is a permanent change."
But that's the thing. Rarity was never a drama queen to begin with. She was the one who stayed calm when other people were overreacting, and in some cases outright mocked them for doing so. Having her be a drama queen is not showing a "different" part of her personality. It's contradicting a well etablished premise of her character. Kidnapped by diamond dogs? Oh, is that all? Need to confront a dragon? Surely you jest, darling, any dragon worth his hoard will surely be reasonable. Need to face doom and horror, and certain death? Well, if you insist, darling, but you simply can't face certain death looking like that! Let's spruce you up just a little. Go out, facing the end with a sparkle in your eye! That's Rarity.
Having her be helpless and whiny is like giving Bambi a bazooka. It might be good for a cheap laugh, but it's totally contrary to the point of the character. Once you give Bambi a bazooka, he's not Bambi anymore.
But since so few people seem to understand Rarity, let's work with a better example: Fluttershy. She's been getting it way worse than Rarity.
Remember Fluttershy? The shy one? The quiet one?
Here's Fluttershy's introduction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahoJY6V9iuc) from season 1 episode one. Twilight says hello, she jumps. Twilight introduces herself, Fluttershy can barely say her name. And what brings her out of her shell? A baby dragon. Because she loves animals and children and lovable, cute things.
Here's the infamous Fluttershy 'yay' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xczDd2_X0DI) scene. She's with a close friend, Rainbow Dash, who she's known since before she got her cutie mark. It's as close and safe a relationship as she has, but even so she still with all her effort and both lungs full of air she can't bring herself much above a whisper. And even that, she worries is "too loud."
But...bring in one single out of character freakout in Best Night Ever, "You will love me!!!" and now every single episode in season 2 features a Fluttershy that doesn't match who's she's been for the 25 episodes prior.
* She spent episodes 1 and 2 being "Flutterbitch" compliments of Discord
* In Lesson Zero, she becomes kung-fu chiropractor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjfeo5hP_GA&), literally yelling and screaming as she does. At the end of the episode, when they went to confront Celestia on Twilight's behalf, she was in front with Applejack, bashing the door down (http://i.imgur.com/oXVdL.png) before Rainbow Dash even entered the scene. Fluttershy? Bashing doors down?
* And now in Nightmare Night, when Twilight and Luna go to her house, she screams at them (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBDs7T78lsQ#t=10m05s) rather than answering the door.
What, seriously? Fluttershy, the quiet, shy one who can barely say her name and can't say "yay" above a whisper, the Fluttershy who loves animals and babies...is now yelling at children who come to her door to trick or treat?
Rarity was out of character for one episode. Fluttershy has been so badly flanderized that at this point, more people probably associate her with yelling and freakouts out than they do with anything she did in season 1.
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 06:40:26 am
Post by: LordBucket on October 24, 2011, 06:47:06 am
character development
If Twilight suddenly started burning books one episode, for no obious reason, screaming about how she hated learning, and then from that point forward, every single episode had her doing the same, would you call that character development?
That's not character development. It's Character Derailment (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CharacterDerailment)
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 06:58:03 am
character development
If Twilight suddenly started burning books one episode, for no obious reason, screaming about how she hated learning, and then from that point forward, every single episode had her doing the same, would you call that character development?
That's not character development. It's Character Derailment (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CharacterDerailment)
Well, we do have an obvious reason.
Doing her chiropracture on the bear? Who do you -think- she learned that from? Hmmm....oh, yes, that's right. Rainbow Dash, 'master' of all trades. Why would she have done that, you ask?
Well, we've seen before (Dragon Shy, anyone? And what about Episode two, Season one?) that Fluttershy will do what it takes to help her friends. We know that she's friendly with animals and she's willing to shout and raise her voice to help them. She's also not the...well, not the brightest, shall we say, of ponies, and if Rainbow Dash told her that was how it was done, that's how she'd do it.
Why is Rarity doing the couch gag? It's her old position of making fun of those who really ARE being overly dramatic. But.. But you thought she actually -meant- it, didn't you?
Post by: LordBucket on October 24, 2011, 07:33:46 am
Doing her chiropracture on the bear?
Why would she have done that, you ask?
It's not the fact of doing chiroprafcture so much as the screaming. "Helping a bear" is suitable. Screeching when doing it is not. Again, it's specifically contrary to the established precedent of her being quiet, unable to even cheer above a whisper, for her to scream and yell like that. But now she does it all the time.
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It's her old position of making fun of those who really ARE being overly dramatic. But.. But you thought she actually -meant- it, didn't you?
The first time it happens in Lesson Zero, she crying alone, and Twilight walks in on her. Tough to justify that she's making fun of someone when nobody else was there.
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 07:55:22 am
Doing her chiropracture on the bear?
Why would she have done that, you ask?
It's not the fact of doing chiroprafcture so much as the screaming. "Helping a bear" is suitable. Screeching when doing it is not. Again, it's specifically contrary to the established precedent of her being quiet, unable to even cheer above a whisper, for her to scream and yell like that. But now she does it all the time.
Wait, what? Numerous episodes of the older season had her screaming and yelling with the best of them. Part Two of the Elements of Harmony, Dragon Shy, Sonic Rainboom, the one with the cockatrice....
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I have to admit, you've convinced me with this one. I've never made a private joke without anyone there. Never have I laughed at something to myself.QuoteIt's her old position of making fun of those who really ARE being overly dramatic. But.. But you thought she actually -meant- it, didn't you?
The first time it happens in Lesson Zero, she crying alone, and Twilight walks in on her. Tough to justify that she's making fun of someone when nobody else was there.
Hmmm...actually...
Post by: LordBucket on October 24, 2011, 08:04:09 am
I've never made a private joke without anyone there.
Never have I laughed at something to myself.
Hmmm...actually...
Well, all I can say then is that if you cry to yourself as a private joke for fun...and then do it twice more when other people are watching, as a private joke for fun...then your worldview is sufficiently different from mine that you're probably not going to agree with anything I say regardless of how many well thought out arguments or corroborative youtube links I give you.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 24, 2011, 08:24:27 am
I've never made a private joke without anyone there.
Never have I laughed at something to myself.
Hmmm...actually...
Well, all I can say then is that if you cry to yourself as a private joke for fun...and then do it twice more when other people are watching, as a private joke for fun...then your worldview is sufficiently different from mine that you're probably not going to agree with anything I say regardless of how many well thought out arguments or corroborative youtube links I give you.
I've never even been able to take a non-meta view of the couch, because it was so blatantly thrown in as a sight gag. I can't even begin to treat something as canon, or as proper canon defilement, when it was done because the writers couldn't be arsed to come up with actual humor.
Gotta agree with you on Fluttershy as well: "character development" doesn't mean "changing core personality traits for no apparent reason". Also note that the three times where she did break out of her shell (Sonic Rainboom, Dragonshy, Best Night Ever), she was respectively cheering on a friend who had just achieved a major goal while also saving the life of a mutual friend, protecting the lives of her best friends, and going on a cutie mark breakdown rampage, which has been clearly shown to affect all ponies, regardless of their base personality. In each of those instances, she had a very, very good reason for doing so, and swiftly reverted after the moment had passed. There was absolutely no reason for her to be portrayed the way she was in Lesson Zero, except for, again, one-off gags. Flutterbitch I can understand, as the Discord episodes were supposed to derail the characters of the mane six, and you don't see people complaining about, say, Applejack suddenly becoming a liar. Nightmare Night has her acting normally, but speaking out of character. It is reasonable for her to be terrified, especially when she is likely the sort of pony to be scared by little foals in costumes, but her screaming about it most certainly is not.
Every time I discuss Lesson Zero, I come back to the same point, which pisses me off to no end: The characters weren't flanderized because the writers and animators wanted to take the show in a new direction, or because they thought they were supposed to be characterized like that. They did it because mediocre sight-gags and exaggerated facial expressions apparently serve as a substitute for character-driven humor (they don't).
Post by: LordBucket on October 24, 2011, 09:13:32 am
They did it because mediocre sight-gags and exaggerated facial expressions
apparently serve as a substitute for character-driven humor
It is, as you say, bad writing.
I also suspect that the new director doesn't really understand all the characters. I think he has a good grasp of Rainbow Dash and more less grasp of Twilight and Applejack. Not so much the others. Since he took over I've yet to see Dash do anything that struck me as out of character. Twilight and Applejack have done things that weren't quite right, maybe, but not so horrible that I couldn't see where they came from. Twilight overreacting to what Celestia might do had a precedent. They simply took that and went too far with it. (And unfortunately, showed Celestia angry, which detracted from the humor of twilight overreacting in the first place.) The other three have been doing things that are just totally wrong for them.
Lauren commented in one of her interviews that it was very important for Pinkie Pie that she be the only one to do crazy sight gags. That by letting everyone do them, it diminished her character. I dont think Jayson understands that.
I've been feeling a bit of a "Loony Toons" vibe from recent episodes. I think they're trying too hard to force them to be funny without understanding that if the characters are likable, it doesn't matter if they make us laugh.
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the Discord episodes were supposed to derail the characters of the mane six
Agreed. It did make sense in context. But it nevertheless has contributed to the current situation, in which anyone who were to start watching the show now, or say...started watching it on tv when season 2 aired, would have a totally different view of some characters than somebody who's watched from the beginning.
If Fluttershy ever starts acting like Fluttershy again, anyone who started watching with season 2 is probably going to wonder why she's acting all shy and scared when she's consistently been loud and aggressive throughout season 2. I can imagine it now: "Dude, why's Fluttershy being all quiet like that? She's always been the crazy awesome go-to girl who fights and belches and doesn't afraid of anything!" Someone who started watching during season 2 might think that.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2011, 09:27:56 am
know flanderization, but I was more implying that the characters were going to have different parts of their personality emphasized for single episodes when it fit that episode's plot, especially when the character is minor in that episode. Flanderization is more of a permanent thing. Basically what I'm saying is "Just because Rarity was a little bit of an extra drama queen for one episode, for a single gag, doesn't mean this is a permanent change."I'll use a different word for it if you want. If it's only for one episode, then it's only a criticism for that episode. I at least am not calling jumping the shark :P
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 04:27:51 pm
They did it because mediocre sight-gags and exaggerated facial expressions
apparently serve as a substitute for character-driven humor
It is, as you say, bad writing.
I also suspect that the new director doesn't really understand all the characters. I think he has a good grasp of Rainbow Dash and more less grasp of Twilight and Applejack. Not so much the others. Since he took over I've yet to see Dash do anything that struck me as out of character. Twilight and Applejack have done things that weren't quite right, maybe, but not so horrible that I couldn't see where they came from. Twilight overreacting to what Celestia might do had a precedent. They simply took that and went too far with it. (And unfortunately, showed Celestia angry, which detracted from the humor of twilight overreacting in the first place.) The other three have been doing things that are just totally wrong for them.
Lauren commented in one of her interviews that it was very important for Pinkie Pie that she be the only one to do crazy sight gags. That by letting everyone do them, it diminished her character. I dont think Jayson understands that.
I've been feeling a bit of a "Loony Toons" vibe from recent episodes. I think they're trying too hard to force them to be funny without understanding that if the characters are likable, it doesn't matter if they make us laugh.Quotethe Discord episodes were supposed to derail the characters of the mane six
Agreed. It did make sense in context. But it nevertheless has contributed to the current situation, in which anyone who were to start watching the show now, or say...started watching it on tv when season 2 aired, would have a totally different view of some characters than somebody who's watched from the beginning.
If Fluttershy ever starts acting like Fluttershy again, anyone who started watching with season 2 is probably going to wonder why she's acting all shy and scared when she's consistently been loud and aggressive throughout season 2. I can imagine it now: "Dude, why's Fluttershy being all quiet like that? She's always been the crazy awesome go-to girl who fights and belches and doesn't afraid of anything!" Someone who started watching during season 2 might think that.
I completely disagree with you.
IC reasons for Fluttershy doing as she did:
Kicking down the door - hey, how is this OOC at all?
Doing the 'karate chiropracture' - Rainbow Dash taught her it. She's been shown to be willing to do things that other ponies tell her if she thinks its important. Especially if it will help an animal. Or, you know, it could be that Twilight has cracked under the pressure she put herself under. For the same reason we see Rarity crying in the first couch scene, for the same reason we see Applejack putting wheat worms in the mix instead of wheat germ...
Post by: Flying Dice on October 24, 2011, 04:44:47 pm
For the same reason we see Rarity crying in the first couch scene
No... just, no. She is having a tantrum because she misplaced a ribbon! How does that fit at all with her established characterization?! Much less the two later scenes, where it was even more obvious that her throwing a fit was an excuse to use the couch prop gag? The only times she has ever overacted like this were when she was already in a situation, and was making a point about another pony being melodramatic about something. She is sobbing about this ribbon before she even appears in the episode, and proceeds to do this twice more, over equally trivial things, despite the fact that she has endured serious events (kidnapping, facing down dangerous monsters, etc.) without a hint of panic. She wasn't repeating S1 behavior and pointing out Twilight's own trend towards the melodramatic, either, as she was focused entirely on her own "issues", and did so even when there was nopony to pay attention to it. There was absolutely no justifiable reason for in-character Rarity to act like that.
Contrary to what some of the fanbase apparently believes, she isn't some sort of drama queen or clean freak; most of the scenes with that took place in the imaginations of other characters. She has proven time and again that while she does have something with an obsession with proper behavior, she is also willing to endure hardship (such that it is, in Equestria) and work to solve problems without complaint. None of her season one characterization portrays her as a drama queen who has fainting fits whenever she has a minor, temporary setback. She isn't my favorite character by far, but I can recognize when she is being taken OOC for the purposes of boring jokes, and I detest it.
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 04:52:12 pm
For the same reason we see Rarity crying in the first couch scene
No... just, no. She is having a tantrum because she misplaced a ribbon! How does that fit at all with her established characterization?! Much less the two later scenes, where it was even more obvious that her throwing a fit was an excuse to use the couch prop gag? The only times she has ever overacted like this were when she was already in a situation, and was making a point about another pony being melodramatic about something. She is sobbing about this ribbon before she even appears in the episode, and proceeds to do this twice more, over equally trivial things, despite the fact that she has endured serious events (kidnapping, facing down dangerous monsters, etc.) without a hint of panic. She wasn't repeating S1 behavior and pointing out Twilight's own trend towards the melodramatic, either, as she was focused entirely on her own "issues", and did so even when there was nopony to pay attention to it. There was absolutely no justifiable reason for in-character Rarity to act like that.
Contrary to what some of the fanbase apparently believes, she isn't some sort of drama queen or clean freak; most of the scenes with that took place in the imaginations of other characters. She has proven time and again that while she does have something with an obsession with proper behavior, she is also willing to endure hardship (such that it is, in Equestria) and work to solve problems without complaint. None of her season one characterization portrays her as a drama queen who has fainting fits whenever she has a minor, temporary setback. She isn't my favorite character by far, but I can recognize when she is being taken OOC for the purposes of boring jokes, and I detest it.
Oh, but it is the same reason. Twilight has already snapped. Of course she sees Rarity crying. It's what she expects, and her shallow hold on reality just slipped.
Post by: LordBucket on October 24, 2011, 05:42:56 pm
Contrary to what some of the fanbase apparently believes
Not sure what the fanbase as a whole believes, but in the previous thread I remember seeing a lot of general dislike of her. Which is unfortunate. She is one of my favorite ponies. I suspect that some people either don't understand the character or are simply accustomed to perceiving anyone interested in class or appearance as evil or stupid. Hoity Toity, Photo Finish, Blueblood, the nobility at the gala...all generally protrayed as either ridiculous, obnoxious or both.
I think Rarity picks up some of the dislike aimed at them by association.
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 05:44:37 pm
Spoiler: Detailed analysis on the difference between canon and fanon (click to show/hide)
Rarity is just mehish.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2011, 05:48:46 pm
Quote from: me
Yeah like I said [about Luna's hairstyle change], we can make up plausible theories like [Luna growing older], or Lauren Faust's explanation (though whether her word matters anymore is really a matter for debate). The other [inexplicable things] can be patched up with various theories too. The problem is, the show itself leaves it unexplained and it's jarring.This was a reply to someone, hence the weirdness with the first paragraph's brackets, but you should get the gist of it.
Retcons (adding/changing something in canon history that wasn't originally intended) are not inherently bad things. The existence of Nightmare Night and all that entails is fine. We all know the writers hadn't thought up nightmare night yet when they were writing episode 1 and 2. That's the real reason Nightmare Moon didn't talk in ye olde englishe and no one recognized her as anything other than "an old pony's tale." However, good retcons leave you unaware there was a retcon in the first place. They could've fit nightmare night and Luna's new characterization/design in much better by just dropping a few lines of explanation (which is exactly what they did for the royal we and loud voice. Note that no one complaints about those particulars).If time's a concern, there were plenty of Pip's scenes to cut!
The example I use for a good retcon (precisely because I didn't realize it to be a retcon until years after) would be from Star Wars. Watching episode 4, it's pretty obvious that Obi Wan wasn't lying about Vader killing Luke's father. Fast forward to episode 6, and he throws out the "certain point of view" excuse. This worked because it was handled more like a reveal than a retcon; he really WAS lying, and the audience (and luke) wasn't supposed to realize it. It adds depth to Obi Wan's character and shows that no one's pure good (and by extension, neither is anyone pure evil), even if that wasn't the original intent of the writer, and thus is a pretty damn good retcon. Who knows how many retcons exist in season 1 of MLP that we don't even notice; the writers have shown sufficient skill in other areas that I don't doubt there's at least a few, and the show's probably better off for it.
That's kinda a long explanation of why these are plot holes and why they shouldn't need to be plugged up by us, but yeah.
That's not to say stop throwing plausible theories out there; I used to think Twilight was pretty out of character in Feelin' Pinkie Keen until someone pointed out Twilight's pretty darn prideful and would probably abandon scientific reasoning to prove herself right in the face of uncertainty. The difference is whether I and/or others are missing something obvious, or are we pulling theories out of midair. Feel free to hit me with the obvious :)
I love digging deep into this show. Most (not all) of season one's episodes I couldn't make complaints of this magnitude, and that's one of the BIG reasons I love it; instead of fridge logic, I get almost nothing but fridge brilliance. The new showrunners have yet to prove to me that they're capable of making a show of the same caliber, but they've got plenty of episodes to do it. I'm much more confident after Luna Eclipsed than I was after Lesson Zero.
Also I'm staying out of your rarity debate :P She's not really my favorite so I don't have any emotional attachment to any interpretation of her. I will say the couch thing was pretty... bad, and definitely broke my suspension of disbelief, but only when she was stressing about plates. The ribbon thing, and the last one, flew by with me unscathed.
Post by: Sordid on October 24, 2011, 05:59:10 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2011, 06:02:32 pm
So the idea behind the joke was fine, just could've been executed better.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 24, 2011, 06:03:02 pm
I think a bit of the grouchiness is because everyone was so damn excited for the new season that we all put way too much expectation into it. Once shit gets back into the motion, I'm certain everything will be better.
And apparently someone the writers listen to complained, next episode apparently got moved back a week (not necessarily new news, but I hadn't heard it on here yet).
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2011, 06:06:41 pm
And apparently someone the writers listen to complained, next episode apparently got moved back a week (not necessarily new news, but I hadn't heard it on here yet).Hrm? I assumed they just wanted to show the halloween episode again in October.
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 06:07:43 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 24, 2011, 06:32:52 pm
Why the hay wasn't this the first thing I read? Ever?
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 06:35:46 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2011, 06:48:36 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 24, 2011, 06:50:51 pm
I haven't read it at all. Is it good?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is the best Pony story I have ever read.
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 06:53:24 pm
Post by: Sowelu on October 24, 2011, 06:59:07 pm
Yay for good flash animations instead of ones that go wild and crazy for laughs. (http://lentoto.deviantart.com/art/FLASH-MLP-Titanic-264978820)
DAWWwww
...What's the, uh, "maturity level" of FO: Equestria? Past Sins was remarkably nonviolent.
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 07:06:28 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 24, 2011, 07:08:34 pm
Post by: Sowelu on October 24, 2011, 07:11:11 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etaIaVgTmAg
Post by: Flying Dice on October 24, 2011, 07:13:09 pm
Yay for good flash animations instead of ones that go wild and crazy for laughs. (http://lentoto.deviantart.com/art/FLASH-MLP-Titanic-264978820)
DAWWwww
...What's the, uh, "maturity level" of FO: Equestria? Past Sins was remarkably nonviolent.
Hm. Well, it is a Fallout crossover, so you've got the obvious: gunfights, blood, gore, dismembered bodies in raider camps, acts of genocide both in flashbacks and present day. There're these things called
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And of course there are the
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Yeah, both those spoilers are actually somewhat significant.
I haven't read it at all. Is it good?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is the best Pony story I have ever read.
It is amazing~
There is a reason it is one of the only fics where I actively watch for a new chapter. The characterization, narrative flow, dialogue, and world are all well written, and Kkat has certainly succeeded in fitting the Fallout vibe into a pony shaped container.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 24, 2011, 07:14:35 pm
I shouldn't giggle as much as I do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etaIaVgTmAg
Yes, you should. But the other one was better, and had more random stuff in it. :P
Post by: dragonshardz on October 24, 2011, 07:33:03 pm
RE Rarity being OOC in Lesson Zero, I think she was just being melodramatic for the sheer hell of it or something. Regardless, can we agree to disagree?
Post by: Flying Dice on October 24, 2011, 07:50:59 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 24, 2011, 07:52:14 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 24, 2011, 07:55:14 pm
Post by: Sowelu on October 24, 2011, 08:05:03 pm
I'm wondering when they will start leveraging MLP into video games (besides the flash ones). I for one think it might be fun. I mean, ponies aren't exactly a brand that you can hurt with a video game. Sadly the age group is probably too low for that :/
Post by: Dsarker on October 24, 2011, 08:10:34 pm
That's why I decided not to do Scootajuice.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 24, 2011, 08:12:48 pm
Then someone would take half the code and rewrite it as an adult game. The media would get their hands on it and condemn all bronies as sick fucks.
I like the CMCs, but I'm disappointed with how stupid they sometimes act.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 24, 2011, 08:14:24 pm
Then someone would take half the code and rewrite it as an adult game. The media would get their hands on it and condemn all bronies as sick fucks.
"Hot Apples"? :P
Post by: kaijyuu on October 24, 2011, 08:15:14 pm
I'm wondering when they will start leveraging MLP into video games (besides the flash ones). I for one think it might be fun. I mean, ponies aren't exactly a brand that you can hurt with a video game. Sadly the age group is probably too low for that :/Plenty of room for cartoon violence (think knocking bad guys out and having stars float over their heads, rather than any killing or anything). If they think the brony audience big enough, they might make a game for it. Spongebob got a game, after all.
fakeedit: Holy shit, Spongebob got a TON (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/SpongebobSquarepants) of games now that I look it up. I dunno how many of those are fan created. Battle for Bikini Bottom I know is an officially licensed one, though.
Re: CMC. I don't hate them. I think they've got a lot of potential... provided they stop obsessing over their cutie marks and go on other adventures. If they must obsess over them, make it an excuse to go on an adventure but have the real conflict be something else. If they do that, I'll be pleased.
Post by: Heliman on October 24, 2011, 08:18:05 pm
I'm wondering when they will start leveraging MLP into video games (besides the flash ones). I for one think it might be fun. I mean, ponies aren't exactly a brand that you can hurt with a video game. Sadly the age group is probably too low for that :/Well there was that one 3d mmorpg MLP game they were making.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 24, 2011, 08:20:33 pm
Post by: Zangi on October 24, 2011, 08:32:32 pm
I'm reading Fallout: Equestria for the first time.Welcome to the wasteland. The only fanfic I would recommend to anypony.
Why the hay wasn't this the first thing I read? Ever?
EDIT: Apparently a website for it has popped up: http://fallout-equestria.com/
Post by: Flying Dice on October 24, 2011, 11:26:25 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 24, 2011, 11:28:14 pm
(I'm way overdue...)
Post by: tagg on October 25, 2011, 01:52:01 am
...
What has happened to me?
Post by: kaijyuu on October 25, 2011, 04:05:24 am
What has happened to me?Ponies happened.
Post by: BowlSoldier on October 25, 2011, 04:26:03 am
I'm reading Fallout: Equestria for the first time.The Project Horizons sidefic is also well, well worth a read. Almost as good in my opinion.
Why the hay wasn't this the first thing I read? Ever?
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 06:05:56 am
Post by: atomicwinter on October 25, 2011, 06:10:58 am
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 06:15:48 am
Post by: Sordid on October 25, 2011, 06:16:06 am
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 06:51:22 am
Spoiler: I'm sorry...Twilight is *glasses* All tied up. (click to show/hide)
Post by: LordBucket on October 25, 2011, 06:59:23 am
This is a bit off topic, but can someone explain the appeal of ponies to grown men?
"When I was a child I longed to be an adult. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
-- C.S. Lewis
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 07:04:25 am
This is a bit off topic, but can someone explain the appeal of ponies to grown men?
"When I was a child I longed to be an adult. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
-- C.S. Lewis
Yeah, yeah.
So why do you like the ponies? Because they're childish and you like childish things?
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 25, 2011, 07:31:44 am
Spoiler: I'm sorry...Twilight is *glasses* All tied up. (click to show/hide)
What a twist!
Sorry, that was horrible, I'll be over here in the corner.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 25, 2011, 08:54:07 am
Spoiler: I'm sorry...Twilight is *glasses* All tied up. (click to show/hide)
What a twist!
Sorry, that was horrible, I'll be over here in the corner.
She's all... tangled up with problems, such as that one.
@above poster: If you think yours was horribad, mine's even worse.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 25, 2011, 08:55:54 am
This is a bit off topic, but can someone explain the appeal of ponies to grown men?This is one of the better explanations. (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/cr/ff/32594-episode-58-my-little-pony-retrospective-g4)
As for me, it's getting immersed in a different world. Believable characters, strong continuity, and good writing make suspension of disbelief really easy. What fantasy universe is better to get lost in than one full of candy, rainbows, and colorful ponies?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 09:24:34 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 25, 2011, 11:20:10 am
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 25, 2011, 12:13:42 pm
Post by: Sordid on October 25, 2011, 02:03:52 pm
I like settings that explore societies of creatures differing from humans.
Does MLP really do that? I'd say no, the society and daily lives of the ponies don't really reflect the anatomical differences between humans and horses (eg. claiming that clothing is "hoof-stitched", which would be impossible even if the horse was sentient and knew how to use the needle - he'd still be unable to physically grasp it).
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 02:08:46 pm
For something fine like sewing, they'd probably use their mouths for the needle, and their hooves to hold the cloth.I like settings that explore societies of creatures differing from humans.
Does MLP really do that? I'd say no, the society and daily lives of the ponies don't really reflect the anatomical differences between humans and horses (eg. claiming that clothing is "hoof-stitched", which would be impossible even if the horse was sentient and knew how to use the needle - he'd still be unable to physically grasp it).
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 25, 2011, 02:13:03 pm
edit: This particular image shows the problem quite well:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/My%20Little%20Pony%20Friendship%20is%20Magic%20-%20S01E11.mp4_snapshot_05.11_%5B2011.10.25_23.14.40%5D.jpg)
Although it's a minor animator error, it does show the rather out-of-place design of the handlebars quite well. Why would the ponies even need the T-shape if they only ever use one grasp to push the shovel? It'd just get in the way most of the time.
Post by: Heliman on October 25, 2011, 02:13:40 pm
Fuck, most of them don't even wear any clothes.For something fine like sewing, they'd probably use their mouths for the needle, and their hooves to hold the cloth.I like settings that explore societies of creatures differing from humans.
Does MLP really do that? I'd say no, the society and daily lives of the ponies don't really reflect the anatomical differences between humans and horses (eg. claiming that clothing is "hoof-stitched", which would be impossible even if the horse was sentient and knew how to use the needle - he'd still be unable to physically grasp it).
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 02:24:27 pm
Spoiler: Silly Frillies (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on October 25, 2011, 02:26:28 pm
Fuck, most of them don't even wear any clothes.For something fine like sewing, they'd probably use their mouths for the needle, and their hooves to hold the cloth.I like settings that explore societies of creatures differing from humans.
Does MLP really do that? I'd say no, the society and daily lives of the ponies don't really reflect the anatomical differences between humans and horses (eg. claiming that clothing is "hoof-stitched", which would be impossible even if the horse was sentient and knew how to use the needle - he'd still be unable to physically grasp it).
But a large number of them wear accessories.
And everyone know accessories make everything
Oh yeah, and Part 3 of my fic (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GAqW1Y_7AtBXh2VO5rnZFf6QOPISMraAANqkURH_Khw/edit?hl=en_US) has finally overcome the trifold barriers of laziness, Aurora, and pretending to study for exams. Wuna hugs for anyone willing to wade into my rubbish to proofread it. :3
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 02:42:38 pm
Spoiler: Silly Frillies (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 25, 2011, 03:02:55 pm
I like settings that explore societies of creatures differing from humans.
Does MLP really do that? I'd say no, the society and daily lives of the ponies don't really reflect the anatomical differences between humans and horses (eg. claiming that clothing is "hoof-stitched", which would be impossible even if the horse was sentient and knew how to use the needle - he'd still be unable to physically grasp it).
All right, fair enough point. I like non-human characters in general. Exploring their societies is just a bonus
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 03:06:13 pm
Same here :)I like settings that explore societies of creatures differing from humans.
Does MLP really do that? I'd say no, the society and daily lives of the ponies don't really reflect the anatomical differences between humans and horses (eg. claiming that clothing is "hoof-stitched", which would be impossible even if the horse was sentient and knew how to use the needle - he'd still be unable to physically grasp it).
All right, fair enough point. I like non-human characters in general. Exploring their societies is just a bonus
I wonder why there is little to no real violence in the MLP world. I understand that it is a kid show, but that is a meta reason. Does grass release small amounts of depressants to keep the inhabitants in a peaceful haze? Did the ponies (Under discord, most likely) exterminate all major threats?
Post by: kaijyuu on October 25, 2011, 03:11:40 pm
Did the ponies (Under discord, most likely) exterminate all major threats?That's my theory, anyway. I think the world was FULL of god tier beings like the princess sisters and Discord way back when, and each carved out their own niches and kingdoms. Now most are gone, and what remains of the "old world" would be in Everfree and perhaps outside the borders of Equestira.
Totally wild mass guessing, but it'd be awesome. And kinda dark.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 25, 2011, 03:16:15 pm
I think it's mostly because the ponies keep the lands they own under their own control. It's the reason the Everfree Forest is feared - it's not under control, things happen by themselves there. So the ponies keep to lands they're tending to, and thus keep out of trouble.
I'm fairly certain there's a darker side to the MLP verse, which the show simply does not explore. The mere existence of the Ursas, the Hydra, and the Cockatrice, hint at the fact that the world isn't a perfectly safe place, by far. There are also different sentient species and other factions that are briefly seen, hinting at a much larger world beyond what is shown. There are obviously things we do not see happen, but that isn't a reason to believe they do not happen at all.
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 03:20:33 pm
That depends on how you define "real violence", I think. Surely the giant pony-eating four-headed hydra alone qualifies for "major threat".Or that they will happen in the future as well (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4nZOBURowI)
I think it's mostly because the ponies keep the lands they own under their own control. It's the reason the Everfree Forest is feared - it's not under control, things happen by themselves there. So the ponies keep to lands they're tending to, and thus keep out of trouble.
I'm fairly certain there's a darker side to the MLP verse, which the show simply does not explore. The mere existence of the Ursas, the Hydra, and the Cockatrice, hint at the fact that the world isn't a perfectly safe place, by far. There are also different sentient species and other factions that are briefly seen, hinting at a much larger world beyond what is shown. There are obviously things we do not see happen, but that isn't a reason to believe they do not happen at all.
Post by: Zangi on October 25, 2011, 03:42:36 pm
Ponies, were at first more savage, but... 'intelligent', out of that, 'clever' ponies... most likely of the Unicorn caste, learned to mimic and utilize tools used by the bipedal civilizations. Others just caught on, with more difficulty.
Ponies as a race, are very non-innovative when it comes to industry/tools, since they have other innate abilities like flying/telekinesis/ability to shape nature and despite being quadruped, such tools are usable as they are. So they just use what they get.
Whatever sort of creativity they have, would be concentrated in artsy stuffs.
In DF Terms:
Ponies
[PERSONALITY:ARTISTIC_INTEREST:25:60:100]
[PERSONALITY:INDUSTRIAL_INTEREST:0:25:60]
EDIT: Took out my parenthesis to make it more clear; I'm of the opinion of no humans in Equestria / Ponies don't live on Earth.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 25, 2011, 03:57:12 pm
edit: Perhaps something like this:
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Cute+Explosion/
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 04:45:17 pm
Ever since Discord got himself overthrown, the entire world's likely found itself settling down. There are probably more races than just ponies who participated in his overthrow, and they're probably equally as likely to 'forget' just who else participated in their histories. The different cultures seem to have minimal contact, with the occasional person wandering between two of the established states. Other than occasional mild xenophobia on a single-person basis, the different cultures likely have a neutral-friendly attitude toward one another, but choose to be rather isolationist. I severely doubt that FiM's going to ever show anything political, so this is just speculation and will likely remain so.
Post by: Telgin on October 25, 2011, 05:18:20 pm
Ponies themselves aren't violent because they're, like their earth counterparts, fairly large herbivores. They lack natural predators and have little need to kill grass before eating it, so the concept of lethal violence is likely fairly foreign. Even the princesses, who grew up in a world where life was a hell of a lot more dangerous, are incredibly lax to kill their enemies.
While it's true that being an herbivore obviates most of the need for killing, it's not the only factor. Deer males get pretty darn violent with each other over dominance issues, for example. Fatalities are uncommon but not unheard of, and I'll admit not the primary focus of any squabbles. Humans mostly kill each other for reasons completely aside from the fact that we're carnivorous.
Anyway, that aside I would like to see more of the other civilizations myself. I'd also love to learn more about the history of their world. We know Celestia and Luna overthrew Discord for example, but where are their parents? What exactly did go on in the before times? Plenty of room for the writers to expand on things, but I suspect we'll be left to our imaginations for most of it.
By the way, this is something that's been bugging me for a while: what exactly is Equestria? Is it the name of the country that the ponies all live in, or something bigger / smaller? Does their planet have a name? I can't recall them ever referring to it as Earth, but I'll be the first to admit that I haven't watched most of the episodes and can't quote the dialogue from most that I have.
Post by: Sordid on October 25, 2011, 05:19:29 pm
Did the ponies (Under discord, most likely) exterminate all major threats?
Oh hell no. Remember Gilda the Griffon? Now take a wild guess what griffons eat.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on October 25, 2011, 05:22:26 pm
By the way, this is something that's been bugging me for a while: what exactly is Equestria? Is it the name of the country that the ponies all live in, or something bigger / smaller? Does their planet have a name? I can't recall them ever referring to it as Earth, but I'll be the first to admit that I haven't watched most of the episodes and can't quote the dialogue from most that I have.Dragonshy pretty explicitly states that there's an "outside of Equestria." Unless the dragon flew to the moon, it's very likely a country or continent, rather than the planet as a whole. Everfree Forest is often implied to not be in Equestria (folks say it doesn't work like Equestria...) so a country is most likely.
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 05:22:49 pm
Did the ponies (Under discord, most likely) exterminate all major threats?
Oh hell no. Remember Gilda the Griffon? Now take a wild guess what griffons eat.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fillies are friends, not food!
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 05:24:49 pm
Cue cupcakes.Did the ponies (Under discord, most likely) exterminate all major threats?
Oh hell no. Remember Gilda the Griffon? Now take a wild guess what griffons eat.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fillies are friends, not food!
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 05:27:00 pm
Ponies are also fairly docile creatures naturally. They're playful and social. Even wild horses aren't very violent. The ponies of Equestria seem to have been raised in a very friendly culture, and it's been so long since they've been in a particularly threatening world that the idea of killing others has probably nearly disappeared from the minds of ponykind.
Going by Gilda, which isn't much, griffons seem to be at least somewhat friendly towards ponies.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 25, 2011, 05:30:30 pm
Equestria is assumed to be the name of the pony nation, with the planet being unnamed. Mention of Orion's Belt suggests a planet near where Earth is, but that still leaves a bit of wiggle room depending on how close to earth Orion's Belt actually is (can't be damned to Google it).Now that I think about it, since constellations are heavily dependent on where you're standing (cosmically), they're pretty much certain to be in the exact same position as earth. Just in another dimension or something. If they were on alpha centauri (nearest star system to earth), several constellations would be quite different.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 25, 2011, 05:32:06 pm
A very specific country, even more likely. What with the buffalo "indians", Manehattan and Fillydelphia.By the way, this is something that's been bugging me for a while: what exactly is Equestria? Is it the name of the country that the ponies all live in, or something bigger / smaller? Does their planet have a name? I can't recall them ever referring to it as Earth, but I'll be the first to admit that I haven't watched most of the episodes and can't quote the dialogue from most that I have.Dragonshy pretty explicitly states that there's an "outside of Equestria." Unless the dragon flew to the moon, it's very likely a country or continent, rather than the planet as a whole. Everfree Forest is often implied to not be in Equestria (folks say it doesn't work like Equestria...) so a country is most likely.
The question still remains of exactly how Celestia and Luna control the day/night cycle, though.
ninja edit: Alpha Centauri would be very fitting for the setting though. :P
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 05:35:26 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 05:36:02 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 05:38:54 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 05:39:25 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 25, 2011, 05:39:59 pm
Is that before or after you torture her to death?Exactly what I was about to ask.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 05:41:44 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 25, 2011, 05:47:08 pm
Assume the ponies are exactly as depicted, powers and all, allowing visual changes to account for real-world lighting conditions, etc (as in, they don't look cartoony).
What would happen? To them? Maybe to us?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 05:50:21 pm
They'd probably also want to have a talk with the people who wrote all the nightmarish stuff involving them on the internet.
Post by: Telgin on October 25, 2011, 05:52:12 pm
The question still remains of exactly how Celestia and Luna control the day/night cycle, though.
Another thing that has bugged me actually. I was under the impression that they didn't actually do this: it was just a legend. Nightmare Moon certainly seemed to believe that she was capable of causing it to eternally be night, but there's a difference between her being able to do that and the two of them actually keeping the day / night cycle going all the time. I figure they can just override it if they want / need to.
Otherwise, how does that work exactly? Does their planet orbit a star, or is it some sort of bizarre mini star that orbits their planet opposite of their moon? Do they have to concentrate on the fact that they're doing this, or does it just passively happen at their will? Because the sun clearly moves all throughout the day, unless Celestia stops every hour to bump it along like Lesson Zero showed (which I assume was a joke anyway).
It seems to me that if the ponies did have complete control over the day / night cycles, then other inhabitants of their planet would be pretty uneasy about that. Lots of dangerous possibilities there.
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 05:53:28 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 05:57:38 pm
The question still remains of exactly how Celestia and Luna control the day/night cycle, though.
Another thing that has bugged me actually. I was under the impression that they didn't actually do this: it was just a legend. Nightmare Moon certainly seemed to believe that she was capable of causing it to eternally be night, but there's a difference between her being able to do that and the two of them actually keeping the day / night cycle going all the time. I figure they can just override it if they want / need to.
Otherwise, how does that work exactly? Does their planet orbit a star, or is it some sort of bizarre mini star that orbits their planet opposite of their moon? Do they have to concentrate on the fact that they're doing this, or does it just passively happen at their will? Because the sun clearly moves all throughout the day, unless Celestia stops every hour to bump it along like Lesson Zero showed (which I assume was a joke anyway).
It seems to me that if the ponies did have complete control over the day / night cycles, then other inhabitants of their planet would be pretty uneasy about that. Lots of dangerous possibilities there.
Their planet doesn't orbit a star, a star kind of orbits the planet.
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 05:58:09 pm
Celestia and Luna are worshipped as Gods. They probably have the raw magical energy to make the planet itself stand still.That, or their solar system is so messed up that there is no rotation of the planet. The planet and moon must be influenced via magic in order to have proper planetary rotations and seasons.
Wow, their world must be REALLY bad :P
On that note, time for a massively tangential discussion. What if, in the real world, these ponies appeared? Suddenly and inexplicably. Presumably contained to one area, somewhere in lesser-known parts of the globe.Celestia and Luna would probably take over the world. Celestia could threaten humanity with burning them all to death with the sun, or Luna could threaten with an impact event.
Assume the ponies are exactly as depicted, powers and all, allowing visual changes to account for real-world lighting conditions, etc (as in, they don't look cartoony).
What would happen? To them? Maybe to us?
Celestia would handle the majority of matters, while Luna would help the enslaved humans with space travel and technology. The ponies would become more dark due to the conflict, and then the humans would be utterly depressed due to the situation. Cue nuclear retaliation by idiots. *cough* NK *cough*
Post by: Sordid on October 25, 2011, 06:07:03 pm
Cue nuclear retaliation by idiots.
Nuke the site fro....
...oh why bother.
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 06:10:09 pm
"WHAT? THEY DARE NUKE US FROM SPACE? WELL THEY CAN HAVE FUN IN THE SUN!"Cue nuclear retaliation by idiots.
Nuke the site fro....
...oh why bother.
"Isn't your line 'on the moon'?"
"Would you like to go to the moon?"
Post by: kaijyuu on October 25, 2011, 06:11:36 pm
Dear god I hope this wins. (https://www.welovefine.com/img/cnt/5/1143-submit.jpg)
As for the other end of the spectrum of quality... (https://www.welovefine.com/img/cnt/5/1587-submit.jpg)
There's an even worse one that mentions clopping but I didn't get a link to it and it's ~300 shirts back.
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 06:14:12 pm
Going through the pony contest submissions for welovefine.First one is badass, second one is lol
Dear god I hope this wins. (https://www.welovefine.com/img/cnt/5/1143-submit.jpg)
As for the other end of the spectrum of quality... (https://www.welovefine.com/img/cnt/5/1587-submit.jpg)
There's an even worse one that mentions clopping but I didn't get a link to it and it's ~300 shirts back.
Post by: Sonlirain on October 25, 2011, 06:17:46 pm
1 - Ponies use tools clearly resigned for bipeds (or at least creatures with hands). Hammers or even freaking swords with a HANDle.
If ponies were to create their own tools they would be most likely operated by their mouths or (in case of unicorns) magic.
2 - We have Discord the slightely deranged demigod (or even a god) who can alter reality itself and ruled the country before the princesses.
He could pop up just about anywhere and do whatever he darn likes.
IE. the pony planet might be just about any planet including Earth and the current inhabitants (hydras griffons manticores and ponies of all sorts) are just animals/humans twisted by his magic while he was partying hard. (Discord turning every single human into a pony while leaving their inteligence and memories intact would surely brew up utter chaos he loves so much.)
Now some of you might say... it can't be earth because equestria is geocentric.
Sure the show had a solar system model with a planet in the center...
but the curent equestrian tech level is somewhat schizophrenic. Ovens and Trains on one side and candles, parchments and quills on the other.
IE they most likely don't have the means to know how their solar system works.
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 06:22:11 pm
As for "what about humans".Infact, Discord could have just blown up the other planets, and made the solar system geocentric too :P
1 - Ponies use tools clearly resigned for bipeds (or at least creatures with hands). Hammers or even freaking swords with a HANDle.
If ponies were to create their own tools they would be most likely operated by their mouths or (in case of unicorns) magic.
2 - We have Discord the slightely deranged demigod (or even a god) who can alter reality itself and ruled the country before the princesses.
He could pop up just about anywhere and do whatever he darn likes.
IE. the pony planet might be just about any planet including Earth and the current inhabitants (hydras griffons manticores and ponies of all sorts) are just animals/humans twisted by his magic while he was partying hard. (Discord turning every single human into a pony while leaving their inteligence and memories intact would surely brew up utter chaos he loves so much.)
Now some of you might say... it can't be earth because equestria is geocentric.
Sure the show had a solar system model with a planet in the center...
but the curent equestrian tech level is somewhat schizophrenic. Ovens and Trains on one side and candles, parchments and quills on the other.
IE they most likely don't have the means to know how their solar system works.
Post by: Fniff on October 25, 2011, 06:30:06 pm
1. Ponies discovered.
2. Stability for a while.
3. A nation or organization realizes the raw potential of ponies, especially unicorns.
4. Nation/organization found trying to kidnap a pony.
5. Ponies retaliate. Humans return fire.
6. Horrible war that destroys everything.
7. Humanity and ponies dead. Nothing left but the sorrowful howling of the wind.
Of course, I have a problem that I write up the worst thing that could happen for a fanfic. While I was reading My Little Dashie, I was just thinking near the end
Spoiler: Spoilers! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Euld on October 25, 2011, 06:32:11 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 25, 2011, 06:33:06 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 06:34:21 pm
Yeah, but that won't really stem the horrific barrages of images my mind just loves sending.Or mine :P
Post by: Fniff on October 25, 2011, 06:36:12 pm
Now, I really need to find a way to start that whole Applebloom Becomes A Necromancer thing...
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 06:36:34 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 25, 2011, 06:36:48 pm
Post by: Sordid on October 25, 2011, 06:37:14 pm
1. Ponies discovered.
2. Non-unicorn ponies immediately made into sausages and glue.
3. Unicorn ponies enslaved.
4. Golden age of humanity. No more poverty or disease. Unlimited amounts of energy. Ponydrive-powered starships capable of instantaneous teleportation across interstellar space. Human conquest of the entire known universe.
Post by: Sonlirain on October 25, 2011, 06:37:39 pm
Yeah, but that won't really stem the horrific barrages of images my mind just loves sending.Or mine :P
Typical DF players.
It's all in the possible chance of bloodshed and flying disembodied limbs.
Post by: Fniff on October 25, 2011, 06:38:59 pm
Honestly, if humans did discover Equestria, a lot of bronies would be very quick to go hang out with them. A lot of zoophiles would probably try to hook up with what they presume to be a sentient race that could offer an animal body with intelligent thought.
It would fall under the stability part. Unfortunately, I don't think many CEOs or presidents are bronies, so...
Typical DF players.
It's all in the possible chance of bloodshed and flying disembodied limbs.
Hey, I'm just born to make Darkfics.
Born to make daaaaaark fics...
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 06:39:21 pm
My version:
1. Ponies discovered.
2. Non-unicorn ponies immediately made into sausages and glue.
3. Unicorn ponies enslaved.
4. Golden age of humanity. No more poverty or disease. Unlimited amounts of energy. Ponydrive-powered starships capable of instantaneous teleportation across interstellar space. Human conquest of the entire known universe.
"I have a dream that Celestia will come back and free us! I have a dream today!"
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 06:41:33 pm
My version:Couldn't the unicorn ponies teleport away? Or simply teleport a knife into the attacking human's heart? :P
1. Ponies discovered.
2. Non-unicorn ponies immediately made into sausages and glue.
3. Unicorn ponies enslaved.
4. Golden age of humanity. No more poverty or disease. Unlimited amounts of energy. Ponydrive-powered starships capable of instantaneous teleportation across interstellar space. Human conquest of the entire known universe.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 06:41:47 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 25, 2011, 06:41:56 pm
Post by: Sordid on October 25, 2011, 06:42:43 pm
Honestly, if humans did discover Equestria, a lot of bronies would be very quick to go hang out with them. A lot of zoophiles would probably try to hook up with what they presume to be a sentient race that could offer an animal body with intelligent thought.
Redundant much?
Post by: Fniff on October 25, 2011, 06:43:31 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 06:43:51 pm
Honestly, if humans did discover Equestria, a lot of bronies would be very quick to go hang out with them. A lot of zoophiles would probably try to hook up with what they presume to be a sentient race that could offer an animal body with intelligent thought.
Redundant much?
Sorry, where's the redundancy?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 25, 2011, 06:45:11 pm
Post by: Furtuka on October 25, 2011, 06:45:51 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on October 25, 2011, 06:45:53 pm
Honestly, if humans did discover Equestria, a lot of bronies would be very quick to go hang out with them. A lot of zoophiles would probably try to hook up with what they presume to be a sentient race that could offer an animal body with intelligent thought.
Redundant much?
Sorry, where's the redundancy?
Because the pony hangout would OBVIOUSLY became under siege by:
Bronies
Zoophiles
Furries
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 06:46:29 pm
Well on one hand there's bronies, on the other there's the whole "sentient, self-aware form of life" thing. I'd expect a lot of people would come to defend the ponies simply for the fact they are talking, intelligent ponies.
"What, you mean this animal I shot? It was intelligent?
Prove it."
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 06:47:31 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 25, 2011, 06:48:58 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 06:49:37 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 06:50:42 pm
I guess it would choose a random selection of people who fall under the elements. Guess I would fall under... none of them. Maybe kindness, but that's a little too strong. I consider myself a nice guy, but I'm not really up for it. I'm not exactly a paragon of kindness. I'm just some guy.
Oh, but they all have to be friends too.
Post by: Sonlirain on October 25, 2011, 06:51:31 pm
Well on one hand there's bronies, on the other there's the whole "sentient, self-aware form of life" thing. I'd expect a lot of people would come to defend the ponies simply for the fact they are talking, intelligent ponies.
"What, you mean this animal I shot? It was intelligent?
Prove it."
I think them using tools and building houses coupled with speaking/writing in english AND tribal tatoos (cutie marks) on their flanks should be enough for everyone par the dimmest of people.
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 25, 2011, 06:53:15 pm
Equestria is assumed to be the name of the pony nation, with the planet being unnamed. Mention of Orion's Belt suggests a planet near where Earth is, but that still leaves a bit of wiggle room depending on how close to earth Orion's Belt actually is (can't be damned to Google it).Now that I think about it, since constellations are heavily dependent on where you're standing (cosmically), they're pretty much certain to be in the exact same position as earth. Just in another dimension or something. If they were on alpha centauri (nearest star system to earth), several constellations would be quite different.
This. I did some simple math in the old thread that showed that Equestria (the planet), based on what constellations they've mentioned in the show, cannot be any other planet than Earth if it exists in this universe. Unless there's some freakish coincidence that made an exact copy of a large part of the Milky Way somewhere else, of course. Let me dig it up... Ah, here:
This is very true, but since our constellations include the brightest stars on the sky, which are also generally the closest, the Pony Planet would have to be very close to earth for this to be possible.
You also have the problem of parallax. Many constellations include stars that are very far from each other in actual 3D space, but happen to look like they lie close to each other from Earth. Moving merely to the closest star from Earth (~4 light years) would make these constellations look very different since closer stars will seem to move in respect to other, more distant ones.
A simple estimation of the parallax of the closest star of Orion (since it's explicitly mentioned in the series),Bellatrix ~240 ly away, with respect to the farthest bright star in the same constellation (Alnilam ~1300 ly away) and a 4 light-year base line shows that Bellatrix will move roughly 3/4 of a degree in relation to Alnilam. If you do the same thing with Scorpius (closest star is ~16 ly away) you get a whooping 17 degree parallax. More than enough to render the constellation unrecognisable.
Regarding the helio or geocentricity of Equestria; I think the Equestrian solar system is heliocentric, Twilight is writing something on comets in ep. 24, they would not have comets in that way without a massive star. What if Celestia/Luna actually don't raise the moon and sun as such, but instead make the moon and Equestria (planet) spin around it's axis? For whatever reason, the Equestrian planet-moon system has lost all angular momentum and needs to be driven by alicorn magic. NMM would make it eternal night by preventing Celestia from making the planet spin.
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 06:53:42 pm
Really?Well on one hand there's bronies, on the other there's the whole "sentient, self-aware form of life" thing. I'd expect a lot of people would come to defend the ponies simply for the fact they are talking, intelligent ponies.
"What, you mean this animal I shot? It was intelligent?
Prove it."
I think them using tools and building houses coupled with speaking/writing in english AND tribal tatoos (cutie marks) on their flanks should be enough for everyone par the dimmest of people.
Well, whoops, I guess I shouldn't have set fire to/laid explosives in their buildings, should I?
Post by: Sonlirain on October 25, 2011, 06:56:47 pm
quote stack
You are a proper DF forumer.
I salute you.
Man - Worse than satan if he was a pedophile.
Post by: Fniff on October 25, 2011, 06:57:28 pm
Right. Let's assume that you are going to erase the possibility of accidentally shooting a totally sentient pony. Skin the pony alive, burn the flesh. Or make it into coats and suits, and sell it to high class people. I mean, a fur-suit made out of pegasus wings or cutie marks would be quite the money-bringer. You could make a pretty damn good business out of it, now that I think about it. You get rid of the body, you get money from it... It's not foolproof, but you could get enough to get a damn fine lawyer for your case.
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 07:04:54 pm
While it's still alive.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 25, 2011, 07:06:05 pm
Hm.Still wouldn't protect you from a lynching. Y'know, for good old "friendship and compassion" cause.
Right. Let's assume that you are going to erase the possibility of accidentally shooting a totally sentient pony. Skin the pony alive, burn the flesh. Or make it into coats and suits, and sell it to high class people. I mean, a fur-suit made out of pegasus wings or cutie marks would be quite the money-bringer. You could make a pretty damn good business out of it, now that I think about it. You get rid of the body, you get money from it... It's not foolproof, but you could get enough to get a damn fine lawyer for your case.
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edit2: on second thought, I best not mention it.
Post by: MC Dirty on October 25, 2011, 07:06:25 pm
New story idea - doctor disects a pony...No.
While it's still alive.
Just... no.
Post by: Fniff on October 25, 2011, 07:08:21 pm
Hm.Still wouldn't protect you from a lynching. Y'know, for good old "friendship and compassion" cause.
Right. Let's assume that you are going to erase the possibility of accidentally shooting a totally sentient pony. Skin the pony alive, burn the flesh. Or make it into coats and suits, and sell it to high class people. I mean, a fur-suit made out of pegasus wings or cutie marks would be quite the money-bringer. You could make a pretty damn good business out of it, now that I think about it. You get rid of the body, you get money from it... It's not foolproof, but you could get enough to get a damn fine lawyer for your case.
Uh, let's see the bronies get past my highly well trained, extremely well armed and numerous mercenaries who constantly follow me. ;D
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 07:11:49 pm
Psychotic or normal? Doctors are actually okay people if you get to know them unless they have gone totally around the bend. I doubt even the most heartless prick of a doctor would actually let a pony live during the operation without anesthetic or a mercy-kill.Hm.Still wouldn't protect you from a lynching. Y'know, for good old "friendship and compassion" cause.
Right. Let's assume that you are going to erase the possibility of accidentally shooting a totally sentient pony. Skin the pony alive, burn the flesh. Or make it into coats and suits, and sell it to high class people. I mean, a fur-suit made out of pegasus wings or cutie marks would be quite the money-bringer. You could make a pretty damn good business out of it, now that I think about it. You get rid of the body, you get money from it... It's not foolproof, but you could get enough to get a damn fine lawyer for your case.
Uh, let's see the bronies get past my highly well trained, extremely well armed and numerous mercenaries who constantly follow me. ;D
Mildly psychotic.
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 07:12:09 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sordid on October 25, 2011, 07:12:58 pm
New story idea - doctor disects a pony...
While it's still alive.
I don't know what I'm more disturbed by - the idea or the fact that I know the proper term for that procedure off the top of my head.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 07:58:21 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 25, 2011, 08:40:03 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 08:44:14 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 25, 2011, 08:48:52 pm
That's...actually an interesting idea. It makes you wonder how the timing worked for the ponies to save the world at sunrise, though. They weren't in the Everfree Forest that long, were they?
IIRC Nightmare Moon had already plunged the world into eternal darkness; when Celestia was freed from the Sun, she began the process of moving the moon back into the proper position, creating a false sunrise as it slowly became visible again. By the time they're all back in Ponyville, the moon has been moved and the lighting is back to normal.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 25, 2011, 08:53:09 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 25, 2011, 08:56:14 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 25, 2011, 09:05:03 pm
I guess seeing the sun emerge over the horizon was a trick of the eye, then? Or some other half-assed explanation?
I didn't remember correctly. :P
So yeah, they spent all night wandering around in the forest. Seems reasonable, and it isn't like they would show us every moment of the entire night.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 25, 2011, 09:08:26 pm
Oh and Scratch? Sorry, but your shirt got one upped in awesome (https://www.welovefine.com/img/cnt/5/1510-submit.jpg).
I'd love both though.
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 09:16:31 pm
Finally done voting on those shirts. That was painful.
Oh and Scratch? Sorry, but your shirt got one upped in awesome (https://www.welovefine.com/img/cnt/5/1510-submit.jpg).
I'd love both though.
What does it say? Watch Awe?
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 09:17:15 pm
I guess seeing the sun emerge over the horizon was a trick of the eye, then? Or some other half-assed explanation?
I didn't remember correctly. :P
So yeah, they spent all night wandering around in the forest. Seems reasonable, and it isn't like they would show us every moment of the entire night.
Should point out that it was dawn when NMM appeared.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 25, 2011, 09:21:24 pm
That would be "Watch In Awe," as the great and powerful trixie performs the most spectacular shirt ever witnessed by human eyes.Finally done voting on those shirts. That was painful.
Oh and Scratch? Sorry, but your shirt got one upped in awesome (https://www.welovefine.com/img/cnt/5/1510-submit.jpg).
I'd love both though.
What does it say? Watch Awe?
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 09:25:02 pm
Post by: Zangi on October 25, 2011, 09:34:29 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 25, 2011, 09:57:31 pm
New story idea - doctor disects a pony...
While it's still alive.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on October 25, 2011, 11:22:46 pm
New story idea - doctor disects a pony...
While it's still alive.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
P-pinkamina? Are you back?
I guess seeing the sun emerge over the horizon was a trick of the eye, then? Or some other half-assed explanation?
I didn't remember correctly. :P
So yeah, they spent all night wandering around in the forest. Seems reasonable, and it isn't like they would show us every moment of the entire night.
Should point out that it was dawn when NMM appeared.
Then my best guess is that Celestia just reset the day to dawn when she returned.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 12:31:46 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 12:39:46 am
Which means that they can control the sun and moon.
GAH! Don't try to confound me with your logics at this time of day(?)! I obviously meant to say that she flash-rotated the planet back to the 'dawn' setting without disrupting physics, because I'm clearly not covering for the fact that I'm trying to generate an explanation for this other than 'the writers were lazy because they didn't think anyone would be bothering to figure out the orbital mechanics of a pseudo-Earth in a cartoon targetted at little girls'. :P
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 01:32:06 am
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 01:33:31 am
They euthanise the ponies, and it seems to work...for a while. It keeps them under until they begin disection.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 01:41:06 am
Spoiler: amatur pro Caelestia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 26, 2011, 02:03:28 am
Anyway. Reasoning for the disection while the ponies are awake - ponies have extremely tough systems, nigh on regeneration.Dsarker, thou art horrible.
They euthanise the ponies, and it seems to work...for a while. It keeps them under until they begin disection.
I humbly advise thee to stop ere I do so inadvertently devalue thine lovingly crafted masterpiece.
(not like it hasn't had its share of referencing here anyway though...)
This, however, is quite good. :)Spoiler: amatur pro Caelestia (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 02:09:14 am
Now, to think of a pun that goes with mass nuclear war, everyone and everypony but one of each dying....hmmmm....
:P
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 26, 2011, 02:21:07 am
I just can't help it! It's going to have a funny ending though.Funny? I do suppose I have missed something then. Oh well.
Now, to think of a pun that goes with mass nuclear war, everyone and everypony but one of each dying....hmmmm....
:P
Post by: Creaca on October 26, 2011, 04:59:32 am
Is it just like a nostalgia thing for dudes who watched the old cartoon?
I've watched to about halfway through the first episode but I didn't see anything that hooked me.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 05:04:48 am
Post by: Fniff on October 26, 2011, 05:31:32 am
Such as Space Station 13.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 26, 2011, 05:41:35 am
Of course, for "some" - *glares at the resident goblins' friend* - it's "have things done to them they never thought possible".
Personally, I would find a Pony-rendition of LotR quite entertaining, I think. Starswirl the Bearded entrusting the young colt Franky Doo with the quest to destroy the One Horseshoe. It'll be quite the epic, methinks.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 06:15:09 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 08:58:56 am
And the link didn't get a new line. And it went from a solid 5 stars with 26 ratings to 4.5 stars with 28. Someone be trollin' :-X
Post by: Necro910 on October 26, 2011, 09:42:05 am
New story idea - doctor disects a pony...
While it's still alive.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
P-pinkamina? Are you back?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 09:47:48 am
New story idea - doctor disects a pony...
While it's still alive.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
P-pinkamina? Are you back?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I miss her so much...
Spoiler: At least Octavia is still there /)^3^(\ (click to show/hide)
Post by: Necro910 on October 26, 2011, 09:51:19 am
What happened to Octavia and Lyra?New story idea - doctor disects a pony...
While it's still alive.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
P-pinkamina? Are you back?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I miss her so much...Spoiler: At least Octavia is still there /)^3^(\ (click to show/hide)
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 26, 2011, 09:51:49 am
New story idea - doctor disects a pony...
While it's still alive.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
P-pinkamina? Are you back?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I miss her so much...Spoiler: At least Octavia is still there /)^3^(\ (click to show/hide)
MAKE US WHOLE AGAIN
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 09:53:09 am
What happened to Octavia and Lyra?New story idea - doctor disects a pony...
While it's still alive.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
P-pinkamina? Are you back?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I miss her so much...Spoiler: At least Octavia is still there /)^3^(\ (click to show/hide)
They were trying to out-biped each other all day while Bon Bon fed candy to Scratch.
Post by: Zangi on October 26, 2011, 10:07:16 am
Theory: This does suggest, that there were once... small-ish bipeds between the size of baby dragon spike and smaller then diamond dogs used ponies as mounts.
In a time before Discord or even during his reign. It stands to chance that as a demi-god/super powerful natural being using powers on such a mass scale may inadvertently or on purpose, push back/wipe out what could be a former dominant/mutual beneficial civilization.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 10:35:23 am
Post by: kaijyuu on October 26, 2011, 10:38:37 am
I've yet to see foot rests on any of the saddles, and the one twilight uses in winter wrap up looks more like a coat than anything else.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 10:41:14 am
Post by: Necro910 on October 26, 2011, 11:24:32 am
Twilight carries spike on her back all the time. It stands to reason they'd be carrying something enough to warrant use of clothing in that area, and it'd evolve similarly to saddles.Yes, saddles seem to be more like overcoats/backpacks than our saddles.
I've yet to see foot rests on any of the saddles, and the one twilight uses in winter wrap up looks more like a coat than anything else.
Just look at the bleached/preripped jeans: you're taking something that was originally practical and necessary and turning it into an absurd fashion statement.Must... resist... rant...
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 11:37:00 am
Also, running theory seems to be that Luna and Celestia are goddesses. If there were any significant, recurring threats to ponies, it's likely that they would step in and deal with them. For example, in the parasprite episode, Celestia canceled her Ponyville visit to personally deal with the problem in Phillydelphia.
Having goddesses on call to deal with invaders probably keeps it from happening too often.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 11:46:14 am
Post by: Necro910 on October 26, 2011, 12:00:43 pm
My little pony... My little pony...
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 12:12:46 pm
Were you part of the conversation back when we were discussing the racially based caste system and child slavery implied in the show?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 12:30:31 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 01:18:46 pm
He is essentially Twilight's assistant and while we don't know whether she pays him (I'm guessing Twilight basically got a scholarship from Princess Celestia and gets enough money from that to take care of herself), he does get board and lodging from working for her.
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 01:20:58 pm
How is Spike a child slave? He's essentially Twilight's kid
Twilight's entrance exam to Celestia's magic school was to hatch a dragon egg. Consider the implications of that. If that's the standard entrance exam...where are they getting all the eggs from?
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He's essentially Twilight's kid
But she's obviously not his mother. I would describe him as a wizard's familiar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familiar_spirit). He is Twilight's assistant, and presumably if others who pass the entrance exam also hatch eggs and also get their own baby dragon imprinted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_%28psychology%29) to them, then the standard practice seems to be to steal baby dragons and hand them out to successful magic students to act as servants.
How is that not child slavery?
Post by: Fniff on October 26, 2011, 01:27:14 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 01:28:02 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 01:28:51 pm
First of all, we don't know whether this is a standard entrance exam or a special occasion. Dragons don't seem like motherly creatures, so if the wizards of Equestria stumble upon a dragon egg, ensuring that they grow up safely makes sense, especially because dragons are really rare.
Furthermore, we haven't seen any other unicorns that have servants or assistants. We don't know whether the baby dragon was handed out to Twilight or whether she chose to care for him.
Post by: Necro910 on October 26, 2011, 01:29:32 pm
Eeyup.
Were you part of the conversation back when we were discussing the racially based caste system and child slavery implied in the show?
How is Spike a child slave? He's essentially Twilight's kid, and having your child assist you in daily chores is pretty much par for the course. You could say that he's being overworked for a child, but considering that some children end up supporting their families as soon as they get old enough to work, even in first-world countries, Spike certainly isn't suffering.We were talking about the rock farm that Pinkamena worked at, with her Amish parents, I believe.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 01:32:23 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 26, 2011, 01:35:50 pm
That's a family business. The children are essentially doing their chores.Eeyup. I don't think it's child slavery, but when fanon gets involved...
things get Fun.
Post by: Fniff on October 26, 2011, 01:37:51 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 26, 2011, 01:47:16 pm
I don't really like THE SHOW IS A HORRIFYING DYSTOPIA! line of thinking. I prefer the Equestria is fine, but after this fanfic it'll be Hell on Earth line of thinking.I know it's not a dystopia. Hell, it probably is a utopia.
Just I like dystopia's better :P
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 01:48:39 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 26, 2011, 02:00:04 pm
Post by: Zangi on October 26, 2011, 02:00:58 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 02:10:21 pm
I don't really like THE SHOW IS A HORRIFYING DYSTOPIA! line of thinking. I prefer the Equestria is fine, but after this fanfic it'll be Hell on Earth line of thinking.
But see, under the line of reasoning I took, it isn't. Celestia is a relatively benevolent immortal monarch/goddess who occasionally takes reasonable measures to protect her subjects/worshippers. Simply put, "some bad things happening" =/= "HORRIFYING DYSTOPIA". England in A Clockwork Orange was at best mildly dystopic (that is the correct form for that, isn't it? :P) by today's standards. Most modern nations are far worse than it in many respects, and we don't consider ourselves to be living in a dystopian world. By comparison, Equestria really is a land of rainbows and sunshine, even if it were canon that Celestia commited acts of xenocide in the past to protect her subjects.
The line of thought where she is a merciless, iron-hooved totalitarian who has mind-controlled every pony into believing that they live wonderful lives is dystopian. One where a leader takes necessary steps to protect her people from being eaten alive is not.
Re: Spike as child slave. No, he isn't. For a perfect example of imprintation of dragons on caretakers of other species, see The Dragonriders of Pern. In both situations the relationship is mutualistic. Regarding the idea of wild/tame dragons, I think that, as pony civilization is at minimum more than 1,000 years old, it is much more likely that this sort of relationship between dragons and ponykind has existed for a very long time, and that dragons living in the wild are dragons who were once in a similar situation, and left for an independent life once their companion/caretaker died. Hence why the adult dragon was familiar with ponies, as well as being fairly friendly once he wasn't being assaulted or woken up from a nap.
Utopia: Where all your worries are inconsequential and petty, taken up a notch. Bam.
Different =/= inconsequential and petty. Just because ponies have different types of problems and conflicts, or that they endeavour to resolve them quickly, doesn't mean that they don't matter, or are somehow false. I made my stance abundantly clear on a certain other thread, and if need be I will repeat it here.
Post by: Fniff on October 26, 2011, 02:15:25 pm
I don't really like THE SHOW IS A HORRIFYING DYSTOPIA! line of thinking. I prefer the Equestria is fine, but after this fanfic it'll be Hell on Earth line of thinking.
But see, under the line of reasoning I took, it isn't.
I know it isn't. It's a damn fine place. I just like fanfics that make it utter hell by a logical progression of events.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 02:18:47 pm
Now, a eutopia, on the other hand...
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 02:19:30 pm
The egg is not incubated and likely unfertilized.
The egg was obviously fertilized. Spike was a baby dragon, not a mass of jelly.
we don't know whether this is a standard entrance exam or a special occasion.
Watch the sequence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__6EqfVkBAk&t=12m50s). The examiners were clearly bored and impatiant about the whole affair. Celestia isn't even in the building during the exam. She didn't take notice of it until after Spike's head smashed through the roof. There's no indication that anything about the exam is special until Twilight's eyes go white and she engulfs the room in magical lightning and starts turning ponies into plants.
Furthermore, we haven't seen any other unicorns that have servants or assistants.
We also haven't seen any other unicorns who are students at Celestia's school for gifted magicians.
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We don't know whether the baby dragon was handed out to
Twilight or whether she chose to care for him.
Does that matter? We do know that ponies have a dragon egg, and are using it to test the magical abilities of students. Whether she chose to take him or was ordered to doesn't really matter. Unicorns are using baby dragons to test magical ability, and they aren't giving them back to dragons afterwards.
Twilight was probably the exception to the entire system
in that she did something that should have been impossible.
What reason do you have to assume this? Again, by every indication, this was a totally standard exam deserving of no special notice, and the examiners aren't shown reacting to the egg hatching, only to Twilight's magical outburst.
EDIT:
Also, remember Dragonshy? The episode where they confront a dragon? Spike stays home.
Think about it.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 02:21:26 pm
Hmmmm. I wonder.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 02:25:54 pm
So you're saying the examiners are reacting to the only thing that could cause the egg to hatch?
Hmmmm. I wonder.
They were reacting to the fact that she grew him to full size as well as hatching him, or the whole 'egg test' is really some sort of mental exam to see how long potential students will go along blindly with their instructions until they decide to do things a different way. In either case, it is a reasonable explanation for Celestia taking Twi under her wing.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 26, 2011, 02:26:13 pm
And the reason she was given a dragonling is because said dragonling acts as a message exchange/mini-mail-delivery system. Such dragonlings might not be common, but they are probably widespread enough - in Canterlot and similarly important places, which are mostly very far from Ponyville.
As for Celestia taking Twilight under her wing - she probably saw that, unlike most merely "magical" unicorns, she was indeed talented, even meant for magic. Considering that Celestia was aware of the Nightmare Moon's impending return, she saw Twilight as a potential carrier of the Element of Magic.
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 02:35:32 pm
So you're saying the examiners are reacting to the only thing that could cause the egg to hatch?
This is a screenshot from fully five seconds after the egg has hatched:
(http://i.imgur.com/bWQ1X.png)
See how unconcerned the examiner looks? They don't react to the sonic rainboom outside, or to the egg hatching or to the initial magical outburst. They do react when Twilight engulfs them in lightning and then turns her parents into plants.
No indication that the egg hatching was anything out of the ordinary.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 26, 2011, 02:39:54 pm
Also, nice frame catch. The examiners did look concerned with the magical outburst, they mostly shielded their eyes against it before it engulfed them.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/My%20Little%20Pony%20Friendship%20is%20Magic%20-%20S01E23.mp4_snapshot_14.07_%5B2011.10.26_23.41.04%5D.jpg)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/My%20Little%20Pony%20Friendship%20is%20Magic%20-%20S01E23.mp4_snapshot_14.07_%5B2011.10.26_23.41.24%5D.jpg)
Also, the parents' reaction is very believable. :)
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 02:45:09 pm
Twilight only turned her parents into plants.
Ok, fixed.
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The examiners did look concerned with the magical outburst,
they mostly shielded their eyes against it before it engulfed them.
Yes, they do react when the entire room is engulfed.
They don't react to the egg hatching.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 02:48:08 pm
Twilight only turned her parents into plants.
Ok, fixed.QuoteThe examiners did look concerned with the magical outburst,
they mostly shielded their eyes against it before it engulfed them.
Yes, they do react when the entire room is engulfed.
They don't react to the egg hatching.
One could argue that they had slightly more pressing concerns.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 26, 2011, 02:50:01 pm
They don't react to the egg hatching.Point.
I never did think the hatching of the egg was supposed to be anything more than magic trick-level stuff. Then again, I don't think the hatchling would always be given to the one who hatched it, Twilight was probably a special case, being immediately chosen to be Celestia's personal protégé. It's logical that Celestia would want to keep tabs on her student who, in addition, seemed to be fitting the role for the Spirit of Magic.
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 02:56:21 pm
One could argue that they had slightly more pressing concerns.
Five seconds later they did, yes. It doesn't make sense to suggest that they would be too distracted by what's going on at T+05 to react to what happened at T-0.
People blindly asserted that Twilight hatching the egg was some rare and unusual event. There is no indication of that. There is every indication that using dragon eggs to test students applying at Celestia's school is a standard yawn-worthy affair of no special significance.
Post by: Necro910 on October 26, 2011, 03:01:02 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 03:09:37 pm
Even if they were more common, if Spike's any indication the person who hatched the familiar is expected to raise and take care of it. Even if the relationship looks nothing like a maternal or paternal relationship, the master is still taking care of the familiar. It's not slavery.
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 03:10:31 pm
I don't think the hatchling would always be given to the one who hatched it
So are you nitpicking with an assertion that it's unsual that Twilight kept Spike, and therefore child slavery is a exception rather than standard practice, but that child kidnapping is standard, and that's why they had the egg in the first place?
* Unicorns are using dragon eggs to test students
* On at least one occassion, the baby dragon, once hatched, was kept by the student
* When the mane cast went to go visit a dragon, they did not take Spike with them
1) Where did they get the egg from, and why was it not returned?
2) If there was some strange, once in a lifetime circumstance that led to unicorns getting a dragon egg through totally innocent means, why did they use it to test Twilight, why was she allowed/ordered/tasked with keeping him, and why was he told to stay at home in the Dragonshy episode, when they had the opportunity to return him to his kind, or the very least establish some sort of communication about it?
These questions aren't answered in the episode. But the questions that are answered are:
1) Do unicorns have at least one dragon egg with no reason given as to why they have it?
Yes.
2) Was that egg kept rather than returned?
Yes.
3) Have we observed a baby dragon being kept by a unicorn and used for menial labor?
Yes.
4) Has there been specific opportunity to establish contact with dragon-kind about Spike, and to possibly return him?
Yes.
5) Did they?
No.
Why?
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 03:16:27 pm
why haven't we seen a few more familiars running around with unicorns?
Because the egg-hatching is the exam test for one particular school: Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns. Not every unicorn attends the princess's private magic school.
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the master is still taking care of the familiar. It's not slavery.
So if I kidnap your baby and task him with menial labor...but take good care of him, that's not slavery?
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 03:19:57 pm
So you're saying it's not the usual test? Okay.why haven't we seen a few more familiars running around with unicorns?
Because the egg-hatching is the exam test for one particular school: Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns. Not every unicorn attends the princess's private magic school.
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Quotethe master is still taking care of the familiar. It's not slavery.
So if I kidnap your baby and task him with menial labor...but take good care of him, that's not slavery?
No, when from what we can see the other dragons would prefer to eat him rather than care for him.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 03:23:59 pm
Because the egg-hatching is the exam test for one particular school: Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns. Not every unicorn attends the princess's private magic school.
Yes, but we can't just assume that Twilight's the only one, and you'd think we'd have at least seen one or two other unicorns who went to the same school.
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So if I kidnap your baby and task him with menial labor...but take good care of him, that's not slavery?
You don't exactly have proof that the baby was kidnapped. Even if they are, though, the students probably don't know that.
As for taking care of someone and having them perform menial labor for you, don't most parents do that in the form of chores? It might not necessarily be the kind of menial work that Spike does, but there are a number of children that have to do even more menial work than he does.
And ninja'd.
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 03:32:14 pm
but we can't just assume that Twilight's the only one
I'm not assuming she's the only one. That's the whole point here. It's the people saying that the egg hatching was some rare and unique event who are saying she's the only one.
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and you'd think we'd have at least seen one or two
other unicorns who went to the same school.
Why? That school is in Canterlot. The series takes place in Ponyville. And since it's Celestia's private school, presumably it's a fairly select bunch who get to go there.
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You don't exactly have proof that the baby was kidnapped.
Answer my questions. Where did the egg come from? Why wasn't it returned? Why wasn't Spike returned after he was hatched? Why was Spike told to stay at home when they specifically went to go talk to a dragon?
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As for taking care of someone and having them perform menial labor for you, don't most parents do that in the form of chores?
Your own children, maybe. Not somebody else's. Spike is obviously not Twilight's son.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 03:37:03 pm
As for the egg, I can't answer that, and you know it. But that doesn't give you the right to claim it was kidnapped, and even if it was, the fault for that would be with the test orchestrators, while the slavery issue would be with the person raising the hatchling.
Have you ever heard of adoptive parents? They give chores too.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 03:37:35 pm
I don't think the hatchling would always be given to the one who hatched it
So are you nitpicking with an assertion that it's unsual that Twilight kept Spike, and therefore child slavery is a exception rather than standard practice, but that child kidnapping is standard, and that's why they had the egg in the first place?
* Unicorns are using dragon eggs to test students
* On at least one occassion, the baby dragon, once hatched, was kept by the student
* When the mane cast went to go visit a dragon, they did not take Spike with them
Let's take it from here.
1. To test student, not students. We should have seen a lot more dragons than we have if it's standard.
2. On at least one occasion the baby dragon was hatched AT ALL.
3. Remember episode 24? Yup, Spike and that dragon got along real well.
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1) Where did they get the egg from, and why was it not returned?We don't know. Maybe the mother had died. Maybe the mother didn't care. Maybe the mother put it up for adoption, as it were.
If we want to say ponies are the replacement for humans....well, could be a half-dragon.
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2) If there was some strange, once in a lifetime circumstance that led to unicorns getting a dragon egg through totally innocent means, why did they use it to test Twilight, why was she allowed/ordered/tasked with keeping him, and why was he told to stay at home in the Dragonshy episode, when they had the opportunity to return him to his kind, or the very least establish some sort of communication about it?
Presumably because Spike didn't want to leave Twilight. Oh, and let's not forget - the dragon was planning to sleep. He/she doesn't want to take care of Spike.
Hmm, there's another thought. There are no female dragons in the series. Maybe there aren't any females and eggs just spontaneously generate.
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These questions aren't answered in the episode. But the questions that are answered are:because the other dragon tried to eat him.
1) Do unicorns have at least one dragon egg with no reason given as to why they have it?
Yes.
2) Was that egg kept rather than returned?
Yes.
3) Have we observed a baby dragon being kept by a unicorn and used for menial labor?
Yes.
4) Has there been specific opportunity to establish contact with dragon-kind about Spike, and to possibly return him?
Yes.
5) Did they?
No.
Why?
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 03:53:15 pm
They've been in Canterlot for the Grand Galloping Gala, and one would have expected to see at least a few graduates from such a prestigious school there
Spike didn't go. Why assume that other students would bring their familiar? And Spike also didn't go when they went to Canterlot in The Return of Harmony.
You don't take your slaves with you to the palace.
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As for the egg, I can't answer that, and you know it.
Yes, I do. But I can. All of those unanswered questions all suddenly make complete sense if it's general policy for Celestia to arrange for the "procurement" of dragon eggs to test her students and for those students to keep them as familiars if they pass.
That explanation fits all the evidence.
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the fault for that would be with the test orchestrators, while the
slavery issue would be with the person raising the hatchling.
Well, it's Celestia's school. Presumably she's the one who sets policy.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 03:58:07 pm
Post by: Zangi on October 26, 2011, 04:00:12 pm
There are 2 theories of how the school comes upon the eggs, outright stealing it from dragons or some sort of flexible treaty, allowing ponies to 'take the burden of raising the baby dragons to age'.
Like an orphanage! Rainbow Dash level parenting, but on a cultural level!
Dragon culture is probably very different from ponies. Ain't about the sunshine, rainbows and sugar high. I'd say is about gems, gold and tasty
Neither camp is wrong as there is no strong evidence swinging it either way.
+1 to you and your 'I make sense posts'but we can't just assume that Twilight's the only one
I'm not assuming she's the only one. That's the whole point here. It's the people saying that the egg hatching was some rare and unique event who are saying she's the only one.Quoteand you'd think we'd have at least seen one or two
other unicorns who went to the same school.
Why? That school is in Canterlot. The series takes place in Ponyville. And since it's Celestia's private school, presumably it's a fairly select bunch who get to go there.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 04:07:28 pm
What about guardians? In case of child labor?Or dragons don't care enough about their children that they abandon their eggs.
There are 2 theories of how the school comes upon the eggs, outright stealing it from dragons or some sort of flexible treaty, allowing ponies to 'take the burden of raising the baby dragons to age'.
Like an orphanage! Rainbow Dash level parenting, but on a cultural level!
Dragon culture is probably very different from ponies. Ain't about the sunshine, rainbows and sugar high. I'd say is about gems, gold and tastymeatgems.
Neither camp is wrong as there is no strong evidence swinging it either way.+1 to you and your 'I make sense posts'but we can't just assume that Twilight's the only one
I'm not assuming she's the only one. That's the whole point here. It's the people saying that the egg hatching was some rare and unique event who are saying she's the only one.Quoteand you'd think we'd have at least seen one or two
other unicorns who went to the same school.
Why? That school is in Canterlot. The series takes place in Ponyville. And since it's Celestia's private school, presumably it's a fairly select bunch who get to go there.
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 04:09:01 pm
mind responding to my points?
They weren't thought out well enough to warrant a response.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 04:11:28 pm
Spike didn't go. Why assume that other students would bring their familiar? And Spike also didn't go when they went to Canterlot in The Return of Harmony.
You don't take your slaves with you to the palace.
Spike DID go to the GGG, he just left as soon as all his friends dashed off with their own agendas. He was very blatantly invited, and he did show up, but he didn't stay under his own volition.
Twilight doesn't seem to take Spike everywhere, anyway. She certainly never takes him anywhere that could be considered dangerous, like the Everfree Forest. She probably didn't see any need to bring him with her on what was likely a potentially dangerous assignment.
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Yes, I do. But I can. All of those unanswered questions all suddenly make complete sense if it's general policy for Celestia to arrange for the "procurement" of dragon eggs to test her students and for those students to keep them as familiars if they pass.
That explanation fits all the evidence.
Yes, but it has no backing. The eggs being adopted has just as much credibility, if not more considering that a dragon probably would give any egg-stealers absolute hell, which means a hefty dose of hazard pay.
You're also being a bit of an ass to Dsarker, it's not like his points were bad.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 04:12:41 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 04:18:40 pm
Okay. So mind explaining why Twilight should have left Spike with the other dragons when it is clearly shown that dragons are cannibalistic?I love how we went from one terrible scenario (CHILD SLAVERY) to another, completely different one (CANNIBALISM).
Welcome to the fucking Bay12Forums. Hope you like miasma!
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 04:20:04 pm
Okay. So mind explaining why Twilight should have left Spike with the other dragons when it is clearly shown that dragons are cannibalistic?I love how we went from one terrible scenario (CHILD SLAVERY) to another, completely different one (CANNIBALISM).
Welcome to the fucking Bay12Forums. Hope you like miasma!
But it isn't child slavery. Why, if it were, would Twilight even allow him to run away? She'd have stopped him before he even got to the Everfree Forest, let alone in it.
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 04:22:50 pm
No, you misunderstand me, I don't think it's child slavery either. What I mean is that to disprove the point that there is child slavery, you bring up the point that there is cannibalism.Okay. So mind explaining why Twilight should have left Spike with the other dragons when it is clearly shown that dragons are cannibalistic?I love how we went from one terrible scenario (CHILD SLAVERY) to another, completely different one (CANNIBALISM).
Welcome to the fucking Bay12Forums. Hope you like miasma!
But it isn't child slavery. Why, if it were, would Twilight even allow him to run away? She'd have stopped him before he even got to the Everfree Forest, let alone in it.
Post by: Necro910 on October 26, 2011, 04:23:42 pm
I confirm this.No, you misunderstand me, I don't think it's child slavery either. What I mean is that to disprove the point that there is child slavery, you bring up the point that there is cannibalism.Okay. So mind explaining why Twilight should have left Spike with the other dragons when it is clearly shown that dragons are cannibalistic?I love how we went from one terrible scenario (CHILD SLAVERY) to another, completely different one (CANNIBALISM).
Welcome to the fucking Bay12Forums. Hope you like miasma!
But it isn't child slavery. Why, if it were, would Twilight even allow him to run away? She'd have stopped him before he even got to the Everfree Forest, let alone in it.
He was stating Bay12's ADD :P
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 04:27:50 pm
The dragon never showed tendencies of cannibalism. He was just defending his hoard. By trying to kill Spike.
Also, it's obvious that Spike was able to leave without Twilight's awareness, since she likely would have stopped him early whether he was a slave to her or not if she had known.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 04:33:10 pm
Yes, but if he was Twilight's slave, she'd have been keeping a closer eye on him.
Post by: Jacos on October 26, 2011, 04:36:07 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 04:38:25 pm
Ah, very well - explain then why Twilight should have returned Spike to the other dragons if they'd have killed him rather than feeding him.
Yes, but if he was Twilight's slave, she'd have been keeping a closer eye on him.
I didn't say she would have returned Spike. It's obvious that unless they found Spike's original mother and she showed signs of actually wanting him they would likely not 'return' him to anyone, especially since dragons appear to be isolationist and territorial, and male dragons seem to be a bit mean.
You do have a bit of a point about the slave thing. Which is good, since we're on the same side. I think.
Post by: Heliman on October 26, 2011, 04:39:17 pm
1 Spike could be an orphanQuoteYou don't exactly have proof that the baby was kidnapped.
Answer my questions. Where did the egg come from? Why wasn't it returned? Why wasn't Spike returned after he was hatched? Why was Spike told to stay at home when they specifically went to go talk to a dragon?
2 Spike could be an orphan
3 Spike could be an orphan
4 Since these are the classic gold hoarding Dragons, they are likely quite terratorial about their gold with other dragons, making spike more of a liability than a help and come on people you're looking too deeply into this.
Seriously people? Dragon slaves? Dragon slaves. I don't know how many times I can keep telling you guys this, this is a children's show targeted to young girls, do you really think Lauren Faust made spike a character because she thought that twilight, a character meant to be a role-model, would have to address her status being a slave owner at some point in the series?
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 04:40:14 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 04:44:59 pm
Post by: Zangi on October 26, 2011, 04:48:09 pm
I think the only original pony from that generation is Applejack as the others did not belong to Hasbro anymore or something.
*snip*Or dragons don't care enough about their children that they abandon their eggs.
Like an orphanage! Rainbow Dash level parenting, but on a cultural level!
Dragon culture is probably very different from ponies. Ain't about the sunshine, rainbows and sugar high. I'd say is about gems, gold and tastymeatgems.
*snip*
Post by: BowlSoldier on October 26, 2011, 04:52:02 pm
4 Since these are the classic gold hoarding Dragons, they are likely quite terratorial about their gold with other dragons, making spike more of a liability than a help and come on people you're looking too deeply into this.*ahem* (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle0gw4lvn5)
Seriously people? Dragon slaves? Dragon slaves. I don't know how many times I can keep telling you guys this, this is a children's show targeted to young girls, do you really think Lauren Faust made spike a character because she thought that twilight, a character meant to be a role-model, would have to address her status being a slave owner at some point in the series?
The thing is, Spike stays there entirely of his own volition. Twilight doesn't have him locked away in chains inside the library or anything. Spike is left entirely to his own devices for most of the show, has plenty of opportunities to, say, flee his "slavery", and is let wander freely about Canterlot and Ponyville whenever he likes.
Twilight stops him from going into Everfree Forest and so on since they're dangerous, not to stop the slave from fleeing to freedom.
Doesn't look much like slavery to me.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 04:56:16 pm
We're a collective of intellectually-minded people who have a well-written, and due to that highly discussable, show. Here's to discussion and debate on it for as long as we shall live.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 26, 2011, 04:57:53 pm
Some of your discussions are nitpicky and I stay out of them, but still :P
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 04:58:20 pm
Thank you.
this is a children's show targeted to young girls
Here's a screenshot from your children's show targetted to young girls:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ct3XG.png)
Just because a show is intended for children doesn't mean it's totally innocent. Here's a relevant tvtropes entry (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GettingCrapPastTheRadar)
In this case though, I'm not suggesting that the writers are deliberately sneaking this stuff in. I think they're writing without always thinking through the implications of what they write.
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Dragon slaves?
Why not? We have races that kidnap and enslave ponies, put them in chains and compell them to work in mines:
(http://i.imgur.com/SsCGB.png)
You can try to whitewash this stuff...you can try to put a "nice" slant on it, but it is what it is.
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Spike could be an orphan
That doesn't change anything. If Celestia personally murdered Spike's parents and stole the egg with her own two hands, Spike would still be an orphan. I'm not suggesting that Celestia did this. But calling him an orphan doesn't change anything, any more than saying that the "diamond dogs just wanted Rarity to find gems for them" changes the substance of what was happening.
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 05:00:48 pm
Of course, then you could bring up the entire argument whether a slave who is a slave of his own volition is really a slave.4 Since these are the classic gold hoarding Dragons, they are likely quite terratorial about their gold with other dragons, making spike more of a liability than a help and come on people you're looking too deeply into this.*ahem* (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle0gw4lvn5)
Seriously people? Dragon slaves? Dragon slaves. I don't know how many times I can keep telling you guys this, this is a children's show targeted to young girls, do you really think Lauren Faust made spike a character because she thought that twilight, a character meant to be a role-model, would have to address her status being a slave owner at some point in the series?
The thing is, Spike stays there entirely of his own volition. Twilight doesn't have him locked away in chains inside the library or anything. Spike is left entirely to his own devices for most of the show, has plenty of opportunities to, say, flee his "slavery", and is let wander freely about Canterlot and Ponyville whenever he likes.
Twilight stops him from going into Everfree Forest and so on since they're dangerous, not to stop the slave from fleeing to freedom.
Doesn't look much like slavery to me.
Does the definition of slavery make any reference to the alleged slave's will or not? That is a serious question because I really don't know and many (mostly humorous) works have slaves as characters that are very happy with their status as slaves (like the slaves in "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett who have more freedom than the "free" Omnian citizens).
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 05:06:27 pm
People blindly asserted that Twilight hatching the egg was some rare and unusual event. There is no indication of that. There is every indication that using dragon eggs to test students applying at Celestia's school is a standard yawn-worthy affair of no special significance.
Where? All I can recall was my nonserious remark that it was some sort of false-front exam. The consensus seems to be that they were shocked because she grew Spike into a mature dragon (or a parody of one), not that she hatched him. I don't know where you are pulling this from.
Quotethe master is still taking care of the familiar. It's not slavery.
So if I kidnap your baby and task him with menial labor...but take good care of him, that's not slavery?
You assume that the impression is against the will of the parent dragons, yet there is no evidence for this. Given the nature of Equestrian society and that Celestia doesn't have the time or energy to constantly fight off suicidally angry dragons, it is much more likely that they are involved in some sort of mutualistic relationship where eggs are sent to the academy to be raised, strengthening the bonds between dragonkind and ponykind, eventually outliving their partners and joining the dragon population as adults. You could even take it as being an education for them, not only because of what they will learn as the companion of the equivalent of a grad student, but the lessons on humility, acceptance, friendship, etc. Again, see Pern for a perfect example of a mutualistic relationship between two sentient species, one of which happens to be dragons.
They've been in Canterlot for the Grand Galloping Gala, and one would have expected to see at least a few graduates from such a prestigious school there
Spike didn't go. Why assume that other students would bring their familiar? And Spike also didn't go when they went to Canterlot in The Return of Harmony.
You don't take your slaves with you to the palace.
In reality, slaves are actually one of the classes with the greatest access to the wealthy and powerful, as they are used in a multitude of tasks. If Spike were a slave, it would have been much more fitting for his "master" to bring him along to take care of problems beneath her notice.
The evidence, such that it is, supports the idea of a mutualistic relationship where dragons send their young to be educated in areas applicable to them (mainly to reduce friction in intracommunity interaction between dragons, as well as how they interact with other sentient species), essentially for free. Keep in mind that the dragons will outlive their unicorn partner by a great span of time; the years that Spike lives with Twilight will basically be the equivalent of birth to puberty, assuming ponies have a lifespan of 60-100 years. By the time the unicorn has died, the dragon will be old enough to strike out alone and begin accumulating a hoard. If, as I believe, this system has been in place for centuries or millenia, it has been very successful at fostering understanding and harmony between ponies and dragons, to the point that dragons both apparently avoid eating ponies, and are actually willing to accomodate their needs, as in Dragonshy, once they understand that they are causing trouble.
This in turn benefits the dragons by removing the responsibility from mothers to split attention between young and (to dragons) more serious concerns, such as protecting their treasure, as well as heading off conflict between the two species at large because some foolish dragon child pissed off Celestia by eating a pony, burning a town, or some such thing. In short, it would promote the exact same values as the show itself: friendship, harmony, and acceptance.
Q: "Well, why are there no other known dragon babies being raised by unicorns?"
A: Dragons are sort of hybrid breeders, possessing the K-strategy trait of producing few viable offspring, yet also the R-strategy trait of not particularly caring for their well-being (according to most canon interpretations of dragons). Likely there are dozens of new students each year, but there are not enough eggs. So you test each applicant with the egg, and if they don't hatch it, they proceed normally, but if they do, they become the caretaker for the baby dragon. Thus, you have the hatching/partnership as a viable system without having baby dragons all over the place.
Q: "If Spike isn't a slave, why does he do chore and why does Twilight not take him absolutely everywhere with her?"
A: Because he is a child, and Twilight is a surrogate mother. Parents give children chores to teach responsibility and a work ethic. Twilight gives him what is occasionally a bit much to do because she is an academic and as such is a bit detached from the physical world when she is pursuing an idea. Not the best, but certainly not "slavery". Misinterpreting their relationship is rather difficult to do unless you are deliberately doing so/have never had parents, siblings, or children. Or caretakers at all. As for why she doesn't take him everywhere... Really? He is a child, and she is essentially a grad student conducting field research. Not only would much of it bore him to tears, but she often gets into dangerous situations, and does her best to keep him out of danger, as part of her role in raising him. Obviously she fails, because being inattentive isn't the best trait around a curious child. Herpaderp.
And again, I need to emphasize this: IF CELESTIA WAS KIDNAPPING DRAGON EGGS, SHE WOULD HAVE ANGRY DRAGONS, BURNING TOWNS, AND MANGLED PONIES OUT THE WAZOO. SHE DOES NOT, SO CLEARLY SHE ISN'T KIDNAPPING THEM. Dragons may not care much for their young, but eggs are another kind of special, shiny treasure to them. They would retaliate in a rather nasty fashion if they were stolen.
Regarding the images: Animators putting in scenes that are mildly sexual =/= canon child slavery.
Rarity and the Diamond Dogs: Is Rarity a child now? Or a dragon, perhaps? Are Diamond Dogs ponies? No on all counts. The fact that a trio of individuals from a species that has been portrayed as much less objectively "good" than ponies abducted an adult with a special talent does not imply that Equestria is home to the systematic kidnapping and enslavement of the unborn children of giant firebreathing lizards. Sort of like how your first image of some ponies in compromising positions while fighting under the influence of a love spell doesn't imply that ponies across Equestria have wild sex orgies every Thursday night.
Sorry for the great wall of child slavery.
Post by: Heliman on October 26, 2011, 05:08:12 pm
Actually I was more of making an argument using the writer's past statements and probable intention of the characters role than using "Moff's Law" to tell you to shut up and enjoy it but what ever.4 Since these are the classic gold hoarding Dragons, they are likely quite terratorial about their gold with other dragons, making spike more of a liability than a help and come on people you're looking too deeply into this.*ahem* (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle0gw4lvn5)
Seriously people? Dragon slaves? Dragon slaves. I don't know how many times I can keep telling you guys this, this is a children's show targeted to young girls, do you really think Lauren Faust made spike a character because she thought that twilight, a character meant to be a role-model, would have to address her status being a slave owner at some point in the series?
The thing is, Spike stays there entirely of his own volition. Twilight doesn't have him locked away in chains inside the library or anything. Spike is left entirely to his own devices for most of the show, has plenty of opportunities to, say, flee his "slavery", and is let wander freely about Canterlot and Ponyville whenever he likes.
Twilight stops him from going into Everfree Forest and so on since they're dangerous, not to stop the slave from fleeing to freedom.
Doesn't look much like slavery to me.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 05:08:31 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 26, 2011, 05:11:17 pm
Depends on Spike's view. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slave)Of course, then you could bring up the entire argument whether a slave who is a slave of his own volition is really a slave.4 Since these are the classic gold hoarding Dragons, they are likely quite terratorial about their gold with other dragons, making spike more of a liability than a help and come on people you're looking too deeply into this.*ahem* (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle0gw4lvn5)
Seriously people? Dragon slaves? Dragon slaves. I don't know how many times I can keep telling you guys this, this is a children's show targeted to young girls, do you really think Lauren Faust made spike a character because she thought that twilight, a character meant to be a role-model, would have to address her status being a slave owner at some point in the series?
The thing is, Spike stays there entirely of his own volition. Twilight doesn't have him locked away in chains inside the library or anything. Spike is left entirely to his own devices for most of the show, has plenty of opportunities to, say, flee his "slavery", and is let wander freely about Canterlot and Ponyville whenever he likes.
Twilight stops him from going into Everfree Forest and so on since they're dangerous, not to stop the slave from fleeing to freedom.
Doesn't look much like slavery to me.
Does the definition of slavery make any reference to the alleged slave's will or not? That is a serious question because I really don't know and many (mostly humorous) works have slaves as characters that are very happy with their status as slaves (like the slaves in "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett who have more freedom than the "free" Omnian citizens).
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 05:18:54 pm
Honestly, the word 'slave' is one of those damned words that supposedly has meaning, but it's so vague that it's useless in any real descriptive sense, sort of like 'terrorist', 'communist', 'patriot', et cetera ad infinitum. You could call anyone a slave and probably justify it.
Well obviously the greatest patriot, her royal majesty Princess Celestia, saw all those damn godless terrorist pinko commie scalebacks and decided to enslave them for the greater good of the grand nation of Equestria, in between mind control sessions and orgies.
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 06:11:41 pm
You assume that the impression is against the will of the
parent dragons, yet there is no evidence for this.
No one's given any evidence that it's with their permission either. But we're given the choice of:
a) Dragons are either willingly giving up or accidentally losing eggs in sufficient quantities that ponies can totally by chance find them without any way to return them often enough to keep Celestia's school supplied
or
b) Ponies are procuring those eggs themselves without permission
In the absense of any direct evidence to support either answer, I simply ask...which is more plausible? Especially given the canon evidence that, given opportunity to put Spike in contact with his own kind they specifically chose not to.
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it is much more likely that they are involved in some sort of mutualistic relationship where eggs are sent to the academy to be raised, strengthening the bonds between dragonkind and ponykind, eventually outliving their partners and joining the dragon population as adults.
That might be possible, but if so...then you're suggesting that dragons are deliberately giving away their children to be raised as servants to ponies. That scenario does explain what we see in the show, but there is no direct evidence for it. Granted, there also appears to be no direct evidence for my scenario, but I ask again: which seems more plausible? Would you give away your children to be raised as a servant to another species?
Personally I suspect that it's a matter of selective blinders. Like people in this thread have insisted that it's not slavery just because Twilight is nice to Spike. There's a tendancy to try to put a "nice" slant on things. Ponies probably don't think of what they're doing as kidnapping or slavery.
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The consensus seems to be that they were shocked because she grew
Spike into a mature dragon (or a parody of one), not that she hatched
him. I don't know where you are pulling this from.
Not sure if you're responding to me on this one. I've suggested that they were reacting to the fact that Twilight was losing magical control and engulfed them in lightning. And images were posted coroborating that.
But whether they were reacting to the lightning or Spike turning into godzilla, either way supports my position. The whole question came up because some people proposed a couple pages ago that nobody actually expected her to hatch the egg, and that it was all as you phrased it, a false-front exam. The evidence doesn't support that, because again...nobody reacted to her hatching the egg.
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IF CELESTIA WAS KIDNAPPING DRAGON EGGS, SHE WOULD HAVE ANGRY DRAGONS, BURNING TOWNS, AND MANGLED PONIES OUT THE WAZOO. SHE DOES NOT, SO CLEARLY SHE ISN'T KIDNAPPING THEM.
Celestia is a goddess responsible for making to sun come up every morning. Would you really want to go burning down her towns?
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Rarity and the Diamond Dogs: Is Rarity a child now?
No and that's not what was said. Heliman was trying to use a cop-out and I was simply calling him on it.
He implied in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=95145.msg2712331#msg2712331) that since it was a children's show, obviously such a dark thing as dragon slavery couldn't exist. I responded with totally canon evidence of pony slavery. Interracial slavery obviously exists in the show: diamond dogs chained up Rarity to work their mine. I'm obviously not saying that Rarity is a child. I'm simply pointing out that it's silly to suggest that such a thing as "dragon slavery" can't exist in a children's show when we can very easily point out canon examples of pony slavery.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 06:21:00 pm
Seriously.
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 06:23:01 pm
Especially given the canon evidence that, given opportunity to put Spike in contact with his own kind they specifically chose not to.Well, for good reason as shown in "Owl's Well That Ends Well". Spike had plenty of contact with his own kind and nearly died!
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 06:25:35 pm
That still doesn't make it slavery. If the dragon is taken in by a student, the student essentially adopts the dragon, becoming an adoptive parent. To that effect, the adoptive parent can have the child dragon perform any chore as long as the chore does not threaten the life of the child, as is with any other parent. Presumably, after the dragon has grown old enough to take care of his- or herself, he or she can leave at will.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 06:27:56 pm
Dragons are reptiles, right? If they're like our version of reptiles, they leave their unborn eggs without care in some clutch. This means that the eggs are pretty much up for grabs to whoever wants them. The eggs aren't getting stolen because they're not being taken from anyone.
That still doesn't make it slavery. If the dragon is taken in by a student, the student essentially adopts the dragon, becoming an adoptive parent. To that effect, the adoptive parent can have the child dragon perform any chore as long as the chore does not threaten the life of the child, as is with any other parent. Presumably, after the dragon has grown old enough to take care of his- or herself, he or she can leave at will.
Wrong. Crocodiles take quite good care of their young.
Ooh, wait, great idea.
You remember the story of King Arthur? You probably know it, the guy who pulled the sword from the stone.
The onlookers probably weren't too interested in him trying to pull the sword from the stone...because they've seen people try it before, and fail.
Also, notice - the examiners don't expect her to hatch the egg. She's the one with the talent for magic, who's read as much as could possibly be read on magic, and still she doesn't hatch it until the Sonic Rainboom (which she doesn't notice either, and neither does Celestia, apparently.) kicks her magic into something we've never seen since.
To use a simile, that is like expecting your kid to get one hundred percent in his test on advanced calculus while he's still in grade two. Sure, your kid might be smart, but he's still not going to do it.
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 06:30:01 pm
To that effect, the adoptive parent can have the child dragon perform any chore as long as the chore does not threaten the life of the child, as is with any other parent.I would rephrase that if I were you, because that's not at all what being a parent is about and it especially isn't how a parent should act. You can harm a child a great deal without ever endangering his or her life.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 06:32:00 pm
While it isn't about what being a parent about...it's what being an elder sibling is about. Parents give love and security, siblings take it away and force you to stand on your own two feet.To that effect, the adoptive parent can have the child dragon perform any chore as long as the chore does not threaten the life of the child, as is with any other parent.I would rephrase that if I were you, because that's not at all what being a parent is about and it especially isn't how a parent should act. You can harm a child a great deal without ever endangering his or her life.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 06:37:28 pm
The parent is also expected to take physical and emotional care of the child. It's obvious that Twilight has done this for Spike, although probably not as well as she should have.
In the end, though, there's just not enough of a sample to effectively judge. All we know is that Twilight and Spike have a pseudo-maternal relationship but with Spike doing a lot of work to help take care of Twilight that most children wouldn't do.
Considering Twilight may have some sort of mental handicap, however, Spike could be like some children in a similar situation, being forced to care for a parent that isn't able to care for his- or herself as well as a more able-minded person.
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 06:42:17 pm
Well, for good reason as shown in "Owl's Well That Ends Well".
Spike had plenty of contact with his own kind and nearly died!
This will be the last time I respond to poorly thought out comments that have already been addressed.
* You can't cite something that happened in episode 24 as a motivation for a decision made in episode 7
* The dragon in that episode was defending his hoard. Spike came in unannounced and ate gems that didn't belong to him until he was gorged.
* When the dragon came home to Spike with a distended belly full of his gems, he was polite about it and talked to Spike, yet Spike taunted him and spat a breath attack at him first.
So...somebody breaks into your house, helps themselves to your stuff, and when you ask what they're doing in your house, they shout that they're not afraid of you then attack you, so you chase them out. And you're citing that as motivation to keep Spike away from dragons, despite that happening fully 17 episodes after the decision to keep Spike away from dragons?
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 06:44:16 pm
Well, for good reason as shown in "Owl's Well That Ends Well".
Spike had plenty of contact with his own kind and nearly died!
This will be the last time I respond to poorly thought out comments that have already been addressed.
* You can't cite something that happened in episode 24 as a motivation for a decision made in episode 7
* The dragon in that episode was defending his hoard. Spike came in unannounced and ate gems that didn't belong to him until he was gorged.
* When the dragon came home to Spike with a distended belly full of his gems, he was polite about it and talked to Spike, yet Spike taunted him and spat a breath attack at him first.
So...somebody breaks into your house, helps themselves to your stuff, and when you ask what they're doing in your house, they shout that they're not afraid of you then attack you, so you chase them out. And you're citing that as motivation to keep Spike away from dragons, despite that happening fully 17 episodes after the decision to keep Spike away from dragons?
Yes. Because this is due to something that is obviously well known about Dragons - THEY TEND TO WANT TO KILL YOU.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 06:47:32 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 26, 2011, 06:49:05 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 06:53:53 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 06:55:25 pm
Ninja'd by Dsarker, but I just want to add a few things:Well, for good reason as shown in "Owl's Well That Ends Well".
Spike had plenty of contact with his own kind and nearly died!
This will be the last time I respond to poorly thought out comments that have already been addressed.
* You can't cite something that happened in episode 24 as a motivation for a decision made in episode 7
* The dragon in that episode was defending his hoard. Spike came in unannounced and ate gems that didn't belong to him until he was gorged.
* When the dragon came home to Spike with a distended belly full of his gems, he was polite about it and talked to Spike, yet Spike taunted him and spat a breath attack at him first.
So...somebody breaks into your house, helps themselves to your stuff, and when you ask what they're doing in your house, they shout that they're not afraid of you then attack you, so you chase them out. And you're citing that as motivation to keep Spike away from dragons, despite that happening fully 17 episodes after the decision to keep Spike away from dragons?
Yes, you can very well cite something that happened 17 episodes after a decision as a reason for that decision. While dragons are rare, they aren't rare enough for them to be completely unknown creatures. This is shown by the fact that Fluttershy is afraid of dragons and that ponies were able to acquire a dragon egg.
The ponies know that dragons have really short tempers and that Spike isn't really the smartest when it comes to sensing and dealing with danger. And the dragon didn't just chase Spike out, it tried to kill him. It knew that Spike was no threat to him at all and Spike was already on his way out, yet the dragon still attacked him.
If they took Spike with them in "Dragonshy", he most likely would have gotten hurt. Yes, probably because of his own actions, but that doesn't change anything.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 06:57:43 pm
I'd say that the first is more plausible. Otherwise, Celestia is going to have to go with every expedition, and that means that she's not doing more important stuff.
Seriously.
This is exactly the point I was making, and it fits with my larger hypothesis regarding her selective xenocide/arrangement of mutualistic relations. It isn't that Celestia can't overpower dragons, it is that she has much better things to do than constantly fight off dragons just so she can continue a program of slavery with no benefits beyond instant communication between a select few individuals.
Especially given the canon evidence that, given opportunity to put Spike in contact with his own kind they specifically chose not to.Well, for good reason as shown in "Owl's Well That Ends Well". Spike had plenty of contact with his own kind and nearly died!
Again, this is support for my view: dragon young do not mix well with mature dragons. Removing them from the environment for a period of education is beneficial for both species.
You assume that the impression is against the will of the
parent dragons, yet there is no evidence for this.
No one's given any evidence that it's with their permission either. But we're given the choice of:
a) Dragons are either willingly giving up or accidentally losing eggs in sufficient quantities that ponies can totally by chance find them without any way to return them often enough to keep Celestia's school supplied
or
b) Ponies are procuring those eggs themselves without permission
In the absense of any direct evidence to support either answer, I simply ask...which is more plausible? Especially given the canon evidence that, given opportunity to put Spike in contact with his own kind they specifically chose not to.
"Ponies are procuring those eggs themselves without permission" How, exactly? Both episodes involving dragons showed that they are supernaturally protective of their hoards, which would include eggs. And it is more plausible that the two species are working together for mutual benefit than that, as stated above, Celestia is wasting massive amounts of time for no appreciable benefit that could not be had by enslaving a less powerful species, or by pushing for a small amount of technological progress. Twilight didn't put Spike in contact with the dragon in Dragonshy for reasons that are plainly obvious in the other episode involving an adult dragon. Dragons are incredibly possessive without any assistance, and she knows that Spike is a baby, and that he has very little self control. She (likely accurately) predicted that he would try to eat or take something from the hoard. Apart from that, there is no reason to take him. Would you take a baby with you on a mapping expedition for your senior thesis, or into a cave to rouse a lion?
By the way, just because something is canon doesn't mean that it automatically supports you. You need to provide valid reasoning for why it supports you.
Quoteit is much more likely that they are involved in some sort of mutualistic relationship where eggs are sent to the academy to be raised, strengthening the bonds between dragonkind and ponykind, eventually outliving their partners and joining the dragon population as adults.
That might be possible, but if so...then you're suggesting that dragons are deliberately giving away their children to be raised as servants to ponies. That scenario does explain what we see in the show, but there is no direct evidence for it. Granted, there also appears to be no direct evidence for my scenario, but I ask again: which seems more plausible? Would you give away your children to be raised as a servant to another species?
Personally I suspect that it's a matter of selective blinders. Like people in this thread have insisted that it's not slavery just because Twilight is nice to Spike. There's a tendancy to try to put a "nice" slant on things. Ponies probably don't think of what they're doing as kidnapping or slavery.
Because they aren't giving their children away into servitude/slavery! We have evidence from the show that adult dragons tend to react badly to other dragons, so sending young away to be raised by unicorns would defuse tensions and prevent infanticide [1]. Dragons raised by unicorns at the academy are going to be exposed to a wide variety of educational and cultural information, helping them develop into educated, culturally aware adults who are able to interact with other species in ways that won't get them curbstomped by Celestia, further increasing the survivability of dragons as a species [2]. The young dragons also learn how to live without constantly being the ultimate authority, further preparing them for life in a world where political leaders are also immortal goddesses who can kill you if you do something to piss them off [3]. As for the pony side of things, the students bonded with dragons gain assistance in their studies [4], as well as the experience of a significant responsibility, where they are fully aware that their actions are affecting the life of another individual, preparing them both for parenthood [5] and for taking public office or conducting serious magical research [6]. There are six reasons why the bonding of magically gifted unicorns and baby dragons is beneficial to both species in ways entirely unrelated to slavery or servitude.
Ponies don't think of it as kidnapping or slavery because it isn't.
QuoteThe consensus seems to be that they were shocked because she grew
Spike into a mature dragon (or a parody of one), not that she hatched
him. I don't know where you are pulling this from.
Not sure if you're responding to me on this one. I've suggested that they were reacting to the fact that Twilight was losing magical control and engulfed them in lightning. And images were posted coroborating that.
But whether they were reacting to the lightning or Spike turning into godzilla, either way supports my position. The whole question came up because some people proposed a couple pages ago that nobody actually expected her to hatch the egg, and that it was all as you phrased it, a false-front exam. The evidence doesn't support that, because again...nobody reacted to her hatching the egg.
Actually, the only person I recall saying that was me, in jest.
QuoteIF CELESTIA WAS KIDNAPPING DRAGON EGGS, SHE WOULD HAVE ANGRY DRAGONS, BURNING TOWNS, AND MANGLED PONIES OUT THE WAZOO. SHE DOES NOT, SO CLEARLY SHE ISN'T KIDNAPPING THEM.
Celestia is a goddess responsible for making to sun come up every morning. Would you really want to go burning down her towns?
I've already covered this, but repetition is apparently necessary. Draconic reaction to thieves is not logical, it is instinctual. If you take something of their, they will hunt you down. Celestia wouldn't kidnap dragon eggs not because she couldn't fight dragons, but because it would be a massive pain in the ass for her to have to continually go kill (apart from returning the eggs, which is no longer possible once they've been hatched, this is the only real option for her) rampaging dragons, along with the time and cost of repairing everything each one would destroy. Not to mention the lives lost. Yes, the dragons would "lose" by being killed, but Celestia would be involved in a long series of bloody victories where she not only wasted time and energy, but lost productive land and had subject slaughtered. Not that it would be very long before she drove the species to extinction.
QuoteRarity and the Diamond Dogs: Is Rarity a child now?
No and that's not what was said. Heliman was trying to use a cop-out and I was simply calling him on it.
He implied in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=95145.msg2712331#msg2712331) that since it was a children's show, obviously such a dark thing as dragon slavery couldn't exist. I responded with totally canon evidence of pony slavery. Interracial slavery obviously exists in the show: diamond dogs chained up Rarity to work their mine. I'm obviously not saying that Rarity is a child. I'm simply pointing out that it's silly to suggest that such a thing as "dragon slavery" can't exist in a children's show when we can very easily point out canon examples of pony slavery.
And the point I was making was that an isolated incident involving three individuals involved in a rather poorly designed attempt at enslaving a fourth with a fairly rare special talent which was very useful to them, which was rapidly thwarted, is substantially different from an organized program of enslavement on the part of a benevolent goddess/dictator who has no practical reason for doing so. Why would they possibly need dragon child-slaves? This is the biggest flaw in your argument: there is no economic or social reason for ponies to enslave dragon children. Why?
+ What do they do? Menial labor plus instant messaging between "owners" and the princesses. The first could be performed much more easily by hired servant ponies, or by enslaving another, less dangerous species. Or, for that matter, by magical enchantments, golems, etc. The second is hardly necessary, given the relatively peaceful nature of Equestria. A pegasus can fly from Canterlot to Ponyville in less than a day; it likely wouldn't take more than a week to reach any point in the principality. For that matter, a proper network of roads and dedicated courier system would be much more useful in a wider range of applications; the courier network and Royal Road established by the Acheamenids in Persia allowed a message to travel from the westernmost parts of Anatolia to the capital at Persepolis in less than two weeks, and that without Earth pony endurance.
+ Numbers. Simply put, there are not enough dragons in five hundred worlds identical to Equestria to make them a viable slave population.
+ Economic demand. Simply put, slavery exists as an institution for three main reasons: as a way to deal with private debt (obviously not applicable), to utilize POWs (again, not applicable), and to provide cheap labor for a difficult job, such as large scale agricultural operation. All farms we have seen thusfar are family affairs, capable of being harvested by a few ponies. We have no reason to assume things are different elsewhere.
+ Difficulty. If you want to enslave a species, why would you pick the one that is full of giant armored flying flamethrowers? Celestia isn't stupid.
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 07:04:06 pm
If you want to enslave a species, why would you pick the one that is full of giant armored flying flamethrowers?FOR !!SCIENCE!! *strokes his massive, dwarven beard*
Now, back to ponies...
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 07:04:38 pm
Should be noted that the two adult dragons shown on screen only
appeared hostile AFTER people started touching their horde.
Agreed.
Actually, I just watched the dragon sequence in Dragonshy, and it's very interesting how it plays out. Three separate ponies go into his cave, and he mostly just triesto go back to sleep. Rarity is picking pieces out of his hoard and putting them on in front of him, but he just takes it back and again goes back to sleep.
It's not until Rainbow Dash flies in and kicks him in the face that he does anything. And yet, despite ponies being the first to violence, Fluttershy goes in and accuses him of being the bully.
Total double standard. They wake him up repeatedly, they try to take his stuff, they kick him in the face...yet somehow he's the bully? Apparently when it's ponies being violent, that's ok. But defend yourself and your home, and you're the bad guy.
Exactly the kind of blinders I alluded to earlier. If ponies were stealing dragon eggs, they'd find a way to rationalize it.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 07:11:40 pm
Basically, he was kind of idiotic for not chasing the ponies away before he reached a point where he was angry enough to try and kill them. It probably didn't cross his mind, which removes his fault. Of course, the only pony who was stupid enough to try and attack a dragon is at blame, but Rainbow Dash isn't all the ponies. She's just her, and the dragon tried to kill them all.
Anyway, how does the ponies stealing dragon eggs pertain to the hatched dragons being slaves again? They appear to be two separate issues in my mind.
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 07:16:01 pm
Post by: Sordid on October 26, 2011, 07:22:19 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 07:24:40 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 07:28:32 pm
And yet nobody was killed. All the dragon breathed was some smoke and no fire. Surely if dragons were as dangerous as you claim, he would've done a better job of the killing. I'd say he wasn't trying all that hard. Probably just tried to scare the ponies away.Okay, so it's like knocking someone out because he tapped your shoulder. The dragon still looked extremely angry even after they were knocked out, so I thought that he wanted to kill them, but I guess you're right.
Still, it was a rather dangerous adventure and might have ended poorly without Fluttershy interfering and that's, in my opinion, enough reason to keep a child like Spike away.
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 07:35:05 pm
"Ponies are procuring those eggs themselves without permission" How, exactly?
By walking right in and taking them. In Owl's Well That Ends Well Spike was able to blithely walk into a dragon's lair and spend enough time gorging himself on gems that his stomach was visibly distended before the dragon who lived there came home.
Dragons presumably go out to hunt.
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Would you take a baby with you on a mapping expedition for
your senior thesis, or into a cave to rouse a lion?
If it was a baby lion, yes.
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We have evidence from the show that adult dragons
tend to react badly to other dragons
No we don't. We have evidence from the show of one adult dragons who walk in on Spike eating his gems, yet his initial reaction is to talk to him, and we have evidence of one other adault dragon that shows that ponies can wake up a dragons and try to steal their stuff, but even so, the dragon won't react violently until violence is acted upon him.
If anything, the show portrays dragons as vastly more patient and forgiving than ponies.
As to why one dragon let Rarity go, but the other dragon wasn't so forgiving of Spike, the most obvious answer is that Rarity's dragon was able to recover his treasure from her. Spike ate gems, so there was no way for him to get it back.
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repetition is apparently necessary. Draconic reaction
to thieves is not logical, it is instinctual.
The show contradicts you. Watch the episodes.
Here's Rarity helping herself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZxzk-2k3j4#t=16m50s) to a dragon's hoard while he watches. His spines bristle when she starts taking stuff, but he listens to her flattery, and when she draws attention to what she's doing, he takes it back and lets her go. There's no irrational instinct here, and there's no violence. He takes his stuff back and lets her go.
Here's Spike munching on gems (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS_Z-s2Tw_g#t=16m20s) in Owls Well That Ends Well. The dragon comes in and asks him what he's doing. Once it's clear that Spike has no good reason for what he's doing, the dragon draws his claws and spikes, but doesn't attack right away. And even when Spike tries to breathe flame on him, the dragon pulls back with a "you're joking, right?" look before he responds with his own breath attack. Once again, there's no "instintive reaction" going on here.
Where are you people getting this "instinctive reason" and "violent dragon" nonsense? Watch the episodes. People are charging into their liars and blatantly taking their stuff, but even so they're favoring dialogue over violence.
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Celestia wouldn't kidnap dragon eggs not because she couldn't fight dragons, but because it would be a massive pain in the ass for her to have to continually go kill (apart from returning the eggs, which is no longer possible once they've been hatched, this is the only real option for her) rampaging dragons
She's probably sending minions to do it rather than doing it personally. Or there may be a general bounty out so others who steal eggs know where to go. As reasonable and tolerant as dragons are shown in the show, if they come home one day to a missing egg, there's no reason to assume they'd immediately go on a general rampage.
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Why would they possibly need dragon child-slaves?
What do they do?
Isn't that obvious? They're the communications medium between Celestia and the students of her school. This is shown in every single episode. Why are you even asking this?
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 07:40:53 pm
Anyway, how does the ponies stealing dragon eggs pertain to the hatched dragons being slaves again? They appear to be two separate issues in my mind.
There are enough trains of thought and people talking that it's all kind of blurring together at this point, but I think the segue was that somebody suggested that dragons are violent and unreasonable, and so they theorized that dragons were giving away their eggs to ponies in order to save them from their own violence. Or something like that.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 07:47:10 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 08:12:16 pm
"Ponies are procuring those eggs themselves without permission" How, exactly?
By walking right in and taking them. In Owl's Well That Ends Well Spike was able to blithely walk into a dragon's lair and spend enough time gorging himself on gems that his stomach was visibly distended before the dragon who lived there came home.
Dragons presumably go out to hunt.
I'll be more direct. How will ponies take dragon eggs and get away with it? In canon we only have evidence from dragons dealing with situations that are in no way threatening them or valuable parts of their treasure. There is a vast difference between a pony trying on a few pieces of your jewelry within biting distance and a pony that has stolen one of your prized possessions while you were out. The fact that the dragons tailor their response to the situation doesn't mean they aren't dangerous as all get-out if somepony should actually succeed in stealing something as precious as an egg. Similar to how you are much less likely to kill a burglar if you catch them in your home while holding a loaded shotgun, as opposed to chasing them across a country to rescue your child, and catching them as they were about to sell them to a pimp in Singapore.
QuoteWould you take a baby with you on a mapping expedition for
your senior thesis, or into a cave to rouse a lion?
If it was a baby lion, yes.
Except for the bit about how male lions tend to kill male cubs to prevent them from becoming competition. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgIL8GfCISQ)
QuoteWe have evidence from the show that adult dragons
tend to react badly to other dragons
No we don't. We have evidence from the show of one adult dragons who walk in on Spike eating his gems, yet his initial reaction is to talk to him, and we have evidence of one other adault dragon that shows that ponies can wake up a dragons and try to steal their stuff, but even so, the dragon won't react violently until violence is acted upon him.
If anything, the show portrays dragons as vastly more patient and forgiving than ponies.
As to why one dragon let Rarity go, but the other dragon wasn't so forgiving of Spike, the most obvious answer is that Rarity's dragon was able to recover his treasure from her. Spike ate gems, so there was no way for him to get it back.
Perhaps they are more patient and forgiving in minor affairs because, unlike ponies, an angry dragon tends to end with lots of corpses and burnt land? I'll concede the point about Spike and the gems.
Quoterepetition is apparently necessary. Draconic reaction
to thieves is not logical, it is instinctual.
The show contradicts you. Watch the episodes.
Here's Rarity helping herself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZxzk-2k3j4#t=16m50s) to a dragon's hoard while he watches. His spines bristle when she starts taking stuff, but he listens to her flattery, and when she draws attention to what she's doing, he takes it back and lets her go. There's no irrational instinct here, and there's no violence. He takes his stuff back and lets her go.
Here's Spike munching on gems (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS_Z-s2Tw_g#t=16m20s) in Owls Well That Ends Well. The dragon comes in and asks him what he's doing. Once it's clear that Spike has no good reason for what he's doing, the dragon draws his claws and spikes, but doesn't attack right away. And even when Spike tries to breathe flame on him, the dragon pulls back with a "you're joking, right?" look before he responds with his own breath attack. Once again, there's no "instintive reaction" going on here.
Where are you people getting this "instinctive reason" and "violent dragon" nonsense? Watch the episodes. People are charging into their liars and blatantly taking their stuff, but even so they're favoring dialogue over violence.
There were no thieves in Dragonshy, as the dragon dealt with that situation before it could escalate. Owls Well That Ends Well has the equivalent of someone breaking into your home and eating a bowl full of breath mints when you've got a stocked kitchen, tons of electronics, and a basement full of weapons and tools. Not exactly something to be more than annoyed at. I was plainly not talking about situations in which nothing of import was stolen. For a mild example of this, look at Spike when he is around gemstones. It isn't the strongest of reactions, largely because he is young and hasn't had time to develop his own hoard with personal connections established with individual items. Even if we haven't yet had an episode deal with this directly, the creative staff is clearly drawing from and watering down traditional draconic tropes, which include extreme, often irrational anger directed towards theives. See: Every story to ever use the "dragon in a cave with treasure" plot point.
QuoteCelestia wouldn't kidnap dragon eggs not because she couldn't fight dragons, but because it would be a massive pain in the ass for her to have to continually go kill (apart from returning the eggs, which is no longer possible once they've been hatched, this is the only real option for her) rampaging dragons
She's probably sending minions to do it rather than doing it personally. Or there may be a general bounty out so others who steal eggs know where to go. As reasonable and tolerant as dragons are shown in the show, if they come home one day to a missing egg, there's no reason to assume they'd immediately go on a general rampage.
Again, the issue isn't with who is doing the theoretical eggnapping, it is the fact that dragons are protective of their treasure to begin with, and eggs are by and large the most important focus of a hoard, which means that they will be angry and they will come looking for their egg. How do you think that would end? Exactly like I said; Celestia cannot return the egg once hatched, and the dragon isn't going to be satisfied with apologies, especially if this has been going on for an extended period of time. They won't go on a general rampage, they will go looking for their egg already angry, find out what happened to it, or guess, and then go on a rampage.
QuoteWhy would they possibly need dragon child-slaves?
What do they do?
Isn't that obvious? They're the communications medium between Celestia and the students of her school. This is shown in every single episode. Why are you even asking this?
I already addressed this in my post.
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+ What do they do? Menial labor plus instant messaging between "owners" and the princesses. The first could be performed much more easily by hired servant ponies, or by enslaving another, less dangerous species. Or, for that matter, by magical enchantments, golems, etc. The second is hardly necessary, given the relatively peaceful nature of Equestria. A pegasus can fly from Canterlot to Ponyville in less than a day; it likely wouldn't take more than a week to reach any point in the principality. For that matter, a proper network of roads and dedicated courier system would be much more useful in a wider range of applications; the courier network and Royal Road established by the Acheamenids in Persia allowed a message to travel from the westernmost parts of Anatolia to the capital at Persepolis in less than two weeks, and that without Earth pony endurance.
I specifically mentioned that not only is this incredibly impractical for the simple luxury of slightly faster message delivery than homing pigeons or messengers, but I provided a number of much more reasonable, useful methods of transmitting messages. For some reason I don't think weekly letters on the traits of friendship need to be delivered near instantaneously.
What I love most is how you completely failed to address all but one of my points on the practicality of dragon slavery, and that one was a deliberate misinterpretation of my point. You also edited my statement to act as a strawman for your own argument, such that it is.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 08:17:21 pm
Alright, this is clearly going nowhere. Let's go back to talking about ponies. :P
Heh, Luna (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1o6MX63Ubz0/Tqed0LxMQzI/AAAAAAAAPoI/uplSbsj_ZpI/s1600/luna__s_studies_of___fun___1_by_shadewingz-d4dys26.jpg)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 08:27:12 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 08:35:05 pm
Spoiler: Let's keep talking about dragons. My image proves our point. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 08:43:50 pm
Spoiler: Let's keep talking about dragons. My image proves our point. (click to show/hide)
At first glance I thought that Twilight had a goatee. Also, harem series much?
Post by: Fniff on October 26, 2011, 08:44:11 pm
Wait. That makes me question something. If the Mane Cast are killed in some unsurvivable fashion, does that mean the elements of harmony pass onto another group? What if the closest thing to the mane cast is a group of characters that aren't ponies? Is the spell racist?
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 08:46:00 pm
My little dragon...
Wait. That makes me question something. If the Mane Cast are killed in some unsurvivable fashion, does that mean the elements of harmony pass onto another group? What if the closest thing to the mane cast is a group of characters that aren't ponies? Is the spell racist?
I assume that it is based solely on the need for six friends with those six traits. Although I doubt that you'd have much luck finding that outside of Equestria.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 26, 2011, 08:47:04 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 26, 2011, 08:49:38 pm
Goddammit, my elements of war will never come true.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 09:15:15 pm
Hm...
Goddammit, my elements of war will never come true.
Different route? Start with War, continue through DEATH, make up two more? See? Canon. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIY41LrvMFQ) Heck, DEATH even speaks in THE ROYAL CANTERLOT VOICE.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on October 26, 2011, 09:23:19 pm
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 09:42:58 pm
I'll be more direct. How will ponies take dragon eggs and get away with it?
I don't really understand how you can ask this question seriously. Spike obviously had time to eat his fill. How long does it take a dragon to hunt, eat and return home? Twenty minutes? An hour? How long does it take for a magic weilding, teleporting unicorn to rush in, grab an egg and leave?
It would be very easy, and magic and/or flight could be used to cover tracks and hide scent. You've suggested that a dragon would go after the egg. But how does she do that when the eggnaper leaves no scent? How does she do that if the egg is passed off to a pegasus? We've no indication of how fast dragons can fly, but we've every indication that pegasi can fly very fast, and bring in rain and clouds to hide in and remove their scent from the air if they want to. Where does your rampaging dragon go to find her egg? Which village does she destroy? Surely she knows where they all are, but with no indication of which one is harboring her egg, or even if it's in a village at all, does she risk the wrath of ponies and goddesses tearing up towns to find it?
If ponies wanted to steal eggs, they could.
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Except for the bit about how male lions tend to kill
male cubs to prevent them from becoming competition.
And yet, humans nevertheless return lions to the wild (http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=lion+returned+to+wild&pbx=1&oq=lion+returned+to+wild&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=151920l153124l1l153206l16l5l0l5l5l0l269l849l1.2.2l8l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=373125196eda466d&biw=970&bih=577).
Ponies don't. They keep them as servants.
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Owls Well That Ends Well has the equivalent of someone breaking into your home and eating a bowl full of breath mints when you've got a stocked kitchen, tons of electronics, and a basement full of weapons and tools. Not exactly something to be more than annoyed at. I was plainly not talking about situations in which nothing of import was stolen
See: Every story to ever use the "dragon in a cave with treasure" plot point.
Yes, see every story to ever use dragon treasure as a plot point, and I think you'll see that equating stealing a belly fell of gems from a dragon's hoard is not analagous to stealing a bowl full of breath mints.
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I already addressed this in my post.
You nevertheless asked the question and I answered it. I find your arguments suggesting that the messaging is of no particular value unconvincing. Here they are:
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A pegasus can fly from Canterlot to Ponyville in less than a day
And a dragon can relay a message in seconds. Clearly dragon messaging is superior.
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The second is hardly necessary, given the relatively peaceful nature of Equestria.
They, nevertheless, do it. I don't understand how you can insist that it's not necessary when the observeable fact remains that they do this. Ponies use dragons to facilitate messages, and obviously they perceive it to be worthwhile to do so.
If you want to assert on your own that you personally think the value they get from it isn't worth the moral tradeoff of using the dragons in such a way...go ahead and make that assertion. But it won't change the fact that they nevertheless use dragons to send messages.
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You also edited my statement to act as a strawman for your own argument, such that it is.
Are you serious? Do you even know what that means?
A Strawman argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) is:
"to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position"
I created no proposition to dismantle. You asked a question, and I answered it. I simply edited out the rest of the paragraph that wasn't part of the question I was answering.
Here's your complete quote:
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And the point I was making was that an isolated incident involving three individuals involved in a rather poorly designed attempt at enslaving a fourth with a fairly rare special talent which was very useful to them, which was rapidly thwarted, is substantially different from an organized program of enslavement on the part of a benevolent goddess/dictator who has no practical reason for doing so. Why would they possibly need dragon child-slaves? This is the biggest flaw in your argument: there is no economic or social reason for ponies to enslave dragon children. Why?
And here's my response:
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Isn't that obvious? They're the communications medium between Celestia and the students of her school. This is shown in every single episode. Why are you even asking this?
My answer stands just as well, I simply removed the portions of the paragraph that I wasn't responding to. There's no strawman here, and there's no conspiracy to twist your words. Read what you said, then read what I said. You asked why, I told you why.
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You also edited my statement to act as a strawman
for your own argument, such that it is.
Don't try to impress people with formal debate terms when you don't know what they mean.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 26, 2011, 09:44:21 pm
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YMMV on this, but My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is supposed to change styles in Season 3 (in the works, to quote fansites), according to fan sites. From what the rumors say, it's believed to be influenced by Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo (or possibly) The Pink Panther. And this is all done in Adobe Flash! Whether this will make it better, well, Your Mileage May Vary. And it will.Since ED hasn't said anything on this (and they even report rumors most the time), and google turns up nothing, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say someone made it up. Still, it inspires pure terror in me, especially after hating Lesson Zero's... experimental animation changes.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 10:12:20 pm
Disturbing rumor I found on a tvtropes page (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnimationBump). Scroll down to Friendship is Magic.QuoteYMMV on this, but My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is supposed to change styles in Season 3 (in the works, to quote fansites), according to fan sites. From what the rumors say, it's believed to be influenced by Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo (or possibly) The Pink Panther. And this is all done in Adobe Flash! Whether this will make it better, well, Your Mileage May Vary. And it will.Since ED hasn't said anything on this (and they even report rumors most the time), and google turns up nothing, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say someone made it up. Still, it inspires pure terror in me, especially after hating Lesson Zero's... experimental animation changes.
Isn't it already being made in Flash?
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 10:15:13 pm
I'll be more direct. How will ponies take dragon eggs and get away with it?
I don't really understand how you can ask this question seriously. Spike obviously had time to eat his fill. How long does it take a dragon to hunt, eat and return home? Twenty minutes? An hour? How long does it take for a magic weilding, teleporting unicorn to rush in, grab an egg and leave?
It would be very easy, and magic and/or flight could be used to cover tracks and hide scent. You've suggested that a dragon would go after the egg. But how does she do that when the eggnaper leaves no scent? How does she do that if the egg is passed off to a pegasus? We've no indication of how fast dragons can fly, but we've every indication that pegasi can fly very fast, and bring in rain and clouds to hide in and remove their scent from the air if they want to. Where does your rampaging dragon go to find her egg? Which village does she destroy? Surely she knows where they all are, but with no indication of which one is harboring her egg, or even if it's in a village at all, does she risk the wrath of ponies and goddesses tearing up towns to find it?
If ponies wanted to steal eggs, they could.QuoteExcept for the bit about how male lions tend to kill
male cubs to prevent them from becoming competition.
And yet, humans nevertheless return lions to the wild (http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=lion+returned+to+wild&pbx=1&oq=lion+returned+to+wild&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=151920l153124l1l153206l16l5l0l5l5l0l269l849l1.2.2l8l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=373125196eda466d&biw=970&bih=577).
Ponies don't. They keep them as servants.
Hold it RIGHT there.
Even you should know that animals, ESPECIALLY large carnivores (which Dragons most definitely ARE) have a much poorer survival chance when released back into the wild than when they have been there since birth.
Might want to see Griffith et al 1989, Fischer & Lindenmayer 2000, Jule et al 2008.
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 10:23:58 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 10:30:59 pm
I'll be more direct. How will ponies take dragon eggs and get away with it?
I don't really understand how you can ask this question seriously. Spike obviously had time to eat his fill. How long does it take a dragon to hunt, eat and return home? Twenty minutes? An hour? How long does it take for a magic weilding, teleporting unicorn to rush in, grab an egg and leave?
It would be very easy, and magic and/or flight could be used to cover tracks and hide scent. You've suggested that a dragon would go after the egg. But how does she do that when the eggnaper leaves no scent? How does she do that if the egg is passed off to a pegasus? We've no indication of how fast dragons can fly, but we've every indication that pegasi can fly very fast, and bring in rain and clouds to hide in and remove their scent from the air if they want to. Where does your rampaging dragon go to find her egg? Which village does she destroy? Surely she knows where they all are, but with no indication of which one is harboring her egg, or even if it's in a village at all, does she risk the wrath of ponies and goddesses tearing up towns to find it?
If ponies wanted to steal eggs, they could.QuoteExcept for the bit about how male lions tend to kill
male cubs to prevent them from becoming competition.
And yet, humans nevertheless return lions to the wild (http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=lion+returned+to+wild&pbx=1&oq=lion+returned+to+wild&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=151920l153124l1l153206l16l5l0l5l5l0l269l849l1.2.2l8l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=373125196eda466d&biw=970&bih=577).
Ponies don't. They keep them as servants.
Hold it RIGHT there.
Even you should know that animals, ESPECIALLY large carnivores (which Dragons most definitely ARE) have a much poorer survival chance when released back into the wild than when they have been there since birth.
Might want to see Griffith et al 1989, Fischer & Lindenmayer 2000, Jule et al 2008.
I would be more inclined to continue this if LordBucket didn't ignore half of the points I raised, particularly in regards to how enslaving dragonets isn't efficient or practical on any level. He seems to think that because ponies have the (tenuous) ability to steal eggs, they automatically are going to start kidnapping and enslaving baby dragons, despite lacking any sort of moral, ethical, economic, social, cultural, religious, or political motivation to do so. Either way, this is probably going to turn into an endless feedback loop after much longer.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 10:35:01 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 26, 2011, 10:35:48 pm
/srsbzns
Post by: MC Dirty on October 26, 2011, 10:36:06 pm
Oh wait, we're already doing that!
Well, crap.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 10:37:06 pm
When I woke up for breakfast, I saw you guys discussing various MLP stuff, like child slavery and dragons. Now, after I ate lunch, you guys are still discussing that?
/srsbzns
Trying to end it now that it is clear that it isn't going anywhere, so that we can get back to talking about torture and things that will get this thread locked. Actually, we should stick to the torture.
Post by: LordBucket on October 26, 2011, 10:39:27 pm
this is probably going to turn into an endless feedback loop after much longer.
yeah, I'm ready to be done at any time. It's frustrating that I can quote out nine separate parts of a post, and spend forty fucking minutes typing out responses, but you complain that I'm not being thorough enough, while some of you are quoting half a dozen paragraphs and giving one line answers.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 10:41:14 pm
Torture.
If you knew that the ponies were sapient beings, but also knew that they could regrow every one of their organs, and that these organs were perfect fits for human replacements...
Would you do it?
Post by: Furtuka on October 26, 2011, 10:42:25 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 26, 2011, 10:43:25 pm
Set up the organ equivalent of a blood drive.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 10:44:08 pm
That's the literal truth for the ponies.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 26, 2011, 10:44:58 pm
After that, remove every organ and replace them with synthetic.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 10:46:03 pm
Post by: Sordid on October 26, 2011, 10:47:55 pm
So.
Torture.
If you knew that the ponies were sapient beings, but also knew that they could regrow every one of their organs, and that these organs were perfect fits for human replacements...
Would you do it?
Cloning + lobotomy of the fetus = non-sentient ponies that can be factory farmed and their organs harvested en masse.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 26, 2011, 10:48:18 pm
The augmentations will be sold for organs. It's their choice if they're going to take that.
And the companies will get rich and kidnap fillies and colts, for organ farming and testing.
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 10:50:56 pm
So.
Torture.
If you knew that the ponies were sapient beings, but also knew that they could regrow every one of their organs, and that these organs were perfect fits for human replacements...
Would you do it?
Cloning + lobotomy of the fetus = non-sentient ponies that can be factory farmed and their organs harvested en masse.
Ohohoh.. You thought that the organs just referred to their kidneys and livers and the like?
Their brain comes back as well :)
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 26, 2011, 10:52:44 pm
Post by: Dsarker on October 26, 2011, 10:54:51 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 26, 2011, 10:56:35 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 26, 2011, 10:56:55 pm
Then, after it's 8th life is consumed, throw the pony down a trash-compacting ditch.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 11:06:04 pm
Magical methods of memory movement make multiple migranes in many mares.
Post by: Zangi on October 26, 2011, 11:55:08 pm
Pony combustion? Who cares, it was an accident, the poor fellow must've slipped and broke his neck for the last time, taking everyone around with the bugger.
They wouldn't care that their customers also combust too, but, they'd probably offer to sell that pony along with the organs to ensure long life.... wouldn't be too surprised if those people with money to throw around would go as far as to create a secret dungeon/place to ensure long and safe pony life. Alone.
Or a monthly/yearly payment set-up to keep ponies alive and hidden away somewhere... for the more reputable black market affiliates...
Post by: Flying Dice on October 26, 2011, 11:59:54 pm
Some criminal organization murders a debtor for their organs one too many times and a bunch of wealthy businessmen spontaneously combust.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 27, 2011, 12:53:01 am
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 03:58:30 am
Spoiler: Luna next episode too? Spoilers! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 05:24:44 am
Spoiler: Taster of next project. Safe for kids (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 27, 2011, 05:50:49 am
/me shakes his head in a sad reverie.
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 05:55:54 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 27, 2011, 06:06:11 am
If I ever get my avatar's power, I'm quarantining every AU you had so much as contemplated, ever.
On an unrelated note, can somebody recommend me a few good MLP:FiM fanfics that can be said to accurately or even plausibly convey the characters of the M6? Being something of an unsocial and unemotional person with a somewhat flimsy grasp of the finer parts of English vocabulary, I'm having trouble conveying... well, anything, in text, especially dialogue, because normally I don't experience the things I would want to describe.
Since for the next Goblin's Friend project some of our writers are not participating, I fear I might have to take a part in the writing as well, so I'll need reference material that I can align my writing to.
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 06:28:56 am
Who is αa1, then? :P
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 06:29:56 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 27, 2011, 06:38:15 am
Nevertheless, all other things disregarded, of the ponies I've seen only Pinkie could pull off such a Captain Obvious moment as "I'm out" and "I'm not dead".
Imagining ponies as nigh-unkillable ever-cheery abominations of nature certainly helps distancing from the source of the crossover, btw.
And yes, just to be on the safe side.
To clarify, that simply entails reparenting the relevant multiverse branches to a controlled virtual sub-universe, so that anyone attempting to view or enter the universes in question would hit a metaphorical brick wall. Unfortunately, the process will only be effective after you're dead, so I might have to wait a while.
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 06:41:30 am
That's old AJ. Pinkie was the other one.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 27, 2011, 06:45:52 am
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 06:47:13 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 27, 2011, 06:48:44 am
edit: also, I read your notes wrong. Confusing, your text sometimes is. Still, they do seem to be of comparable age, so splitting them between "three females of each species" and "three adolescents" is a little odd.
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 07:00:19 am
Diary entries are made at the time. This is still early times in pony-human relations. They think that they're all pairs of both genders, but they don't really know.
Annotations to the entries are made post-war. They've got a hell of a lot more knowledge, and they now know how to differentiate sexually between them.
Camera transcriptions are made post-war but don't have all of the events. This is basically a dossier on the experiment.
So, for example, if the camera transcripts were telling you that pony A had butchered people, but the diary said that the pony didn't.... Well..
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 07:16:09 am
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 27, 2011, 07:24:01 am
And please, do remind me not to mention any more crossover ideas in your presence. You seem to be doing a pretty good job without my help.
On a, now completely, unrelated note, I'm still waiting for someone to recommend me some good fiction. Preferably not conceived or directed by Dsarker.
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 07:28:41 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 27, 2011, 07:30:38 am
Although I gotta say I do like a "quasi-immortal regenerating mutant" take on the ponies. If anything, it is at least original.
And on a now related note, perhaps we could keep the terror-fic prototypes in the relevant thread?
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 07:35:31 am
Fanfiction, I'd go for The Thessalonica Legacy. Actual fiction, try Dan Abnett's stuff. His 40k stuff is good, but he's written in almost every genre for almost every age.
Now, why would you have dragons as slaves? I'm going to write something along that line as a story at some point.
Of course, it's a simple answer - so you can wipeout dragonkind as a whole. It's Discord's last toss of the dice, and even better - he used Luna to get it happening. Celestia hasn't got a clue about it and neither does Luna, but Discord's just itching for his latest scheme to complete itself.
How else can I make it possibly worse? Maybe Celestia learned of it one day and decided to do it, because it'd make the ponies safer.
So what position do the dragons occupy that makes them vital? Give me some ideas, people.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 27, 2011, 07:49:59 am
Back to dragons... well it could simply be a natural part of their lifecycle. Dragons are essentially bipeds in this 'verse, so maybe at some point they actually were a dominant species, explaining some of the tool designs. Ponies probably lived alongside them, in a sort of peaceful coexistence. Then, something happened. Probably Discord. Over the course of a few days/years, dragons are nearly extinct as a species, being eliminated first as the only beings powerful and numerous enough to actually pose a threat to his rule. Cue Celestia (probably not named such back then) and the Elements of Harmony, a last-ditch effort to defeat Discord, which works but leaves the lands devastated, the planet losing its natural rotation, and of the dragons only a few remain, hiding in their caves around the world. Celestia and Luna, the most powerful of ponies remaining, assume their identities and start trying to rebuild the world, at the same time beginning to search for ways to restore the dragon population. Eventually, a full-on repopulation effort proves impossible, the remaining dragons growing territorial and protective of their solitude, and new offspring vanishingly rare. Sometime after the conflict with Luna/Nightmare Moon, Celestia renews her efforts, and creates a magic spell that, while incredibly difficult and exhausting, allows her to facilitate the creation of dragon eggs, which could then be hatched by any pony of sufficient magical talent. The resulting new species, magical dragons, do not grow into the massive flyers like their old ancestors, but instead possess special magic powers, such as directed sending and receiving of messages, essentially turning them into a quasi-subservient race, which is nevertheless treated with proper respect by all ponykind, in long-forgotten memory of their sacrifice that allowed the world to still exist today.
How's that?
And yes, it sort of grew in the telling.
Post by: Zangi on October 27, 2011, 12:07:29 pm
On a, now completely, unrelated note, I'm still waiting for someone to recommend me some good fiction. Preferably not conceived or directed by Dsarker.Fallout: Equestria (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/story-fallout-equestria.html)
Post by: Armok on October 27, 2011, 12:15:29 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 27, 2011, 12:34:34 pm
On a, now completely, unrelated note, I'm still waiting for someone to recommend me some good fiction. Preferably not conceived or directed by Dsarker.Fallout: Equestria (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/story-fallout-equestria.html)
This is the best thing ever written. I have read a total of one fanfiction that is better than this, and it isn't even a MLP one.
Post by: Necro910 on October 27, 2011, 12:52:58 pm
I just downloaded the TF2 team select reskin. TIS WINOn a, now completely, unrelated note, I'm still waiting for someone to recommend me some good fiction. Preferably not conceived or directed by Dsarker.Fallout: Equestria (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/story-fallout-equestria.html)
Post by: Flying Dice on October 27, 2011, 05:19:50 pm
Although you are taking an interesting approach with this one.
On another note, this author has done two rather excellent Doctor Who crossovers that feel very much like episodes. Much (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/story-timelords-and-terror.html) fun (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/05/story-mines-of-dragon-mountain.html). /)^3^(\
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 08:11:04 pm
40k is the only other series I really know much about, to be honest.
No, this isn't another crossover. It's going to be straight.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 27, 2011, 08:35:42 pm
I've only done the one 40k crossover, and started two others which are on hold for the moment.
40k is the only other series I really know much about, to be honest.
No, this isn't another crossover. It's going to be straight.
No such thing as a straight pony in Equestria :p
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 08:38:11 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 27, 2011, 10:11:48 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 27, 2011, 11:05:08 pm
There are only forty-one chapters of Fallout: Equestria. Well, time to hit up the side stories. Based on the descriptions alone, only half of them are worth a look at.
Post by: Zangi on October 28, 2011, 12:02:02 am
Pink Eyes is spiked with cute... Project Horizon is another flavor of vault dweller.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2011, 12:06:56 am
Post by: dragonshardz on October 28, 2011, 12:31:12 am
May Celestia crush me with Her mighty ballsack.
There are only forty-one chapters of Fallout: Equestria. Well, time to hit up the side stories. Based on the descriptions alone, only half of them are worth a look at.
Meh, only 2 flavours of the side stories I've bothered to read and keep up with... Project Horizon and Pink Eyes.
Pink Eyes is spiked with cute... Project Horizon is another flavor of vault dweller.
I'm gonna pimp my sidefic here. It's in the Side Stories post, obviously. I am working on the next chapter, but infrequently - school has kinda gotten in the way of me having much time to write.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 28, 2011, 12:32:00 am
If you like, I have a sketchy backup plot arc in mind for the Goblin's Friend sequel that would bring Equestria to roughly the same state described in your work. Isn't all that much of a long shot.
Post by: kaijyuu on October 28, 2011, 01:20:41 am
http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dd/20060401a (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dd/20060401a)
Most hideous beholder ever? Most hideous beholder ever.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 28, 2011, 01:36:17 am
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My Little Pony RPG -- April Fool's!
April 2, 2006 (Renton, Wash.) -- For all you My Little Pony fans out there who saw yesterday's "press release," thanks for being good sports. Wizards of the Coast loves being able to joke around with our fans, and this was too good to pass up. We also send a big thanks to Hasbro for playing along. Until next time, file this one alongside the rumors about a sixth color for the Magic: The Gathering trading card game, and remember—don't take any wooden nickels.
D:
Post by: Jimmy on October 28, 2011, 03:58:17 am
Honestly when it comes down to it, aren't D&D minis just MLP figures?
Twilight: Wizard
Applejack: Fighter
Rarity: Paladin
Fluttershy: Cleric
Rainbow Dash: Barbarian
Pinkie Pie: Rogue
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 28, 2011, 04:02:22 am
Personally, I'd find it interesting to have another of the Wizards' games turned into MLP. Friendship: The Gathering, anyone?
The lands of Plains, Forests, and Mountains could remain, maybe even Swamps. Blue would have to be Clouds though, unless anyone feels like adding a sixth color just for them.
Post by: Jimmy on October 28, 2011, 04:09:08 am
As for M:tG, a Twilight deck would be Blue/Black, Rarity would be White, Fluttershy would be Green, Rainbow Dash would be Red, Applejack would be Green/Red and Pinkie Pie would be a crazy multicolored deck that shouldn't work but somehow does.
Post by: Rose on October 28, 2011, 04:13:15 am
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Post by: Jimmy on October 28, 2011, 04:32:50 am
Hmm, maybe rogue splashed with wizard into arcane archer?
Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 04:34:32 am
Anyway. Serious now.
Dragons, hydras, ursas, and manticores...what do they have in common with Dinotopia?
Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 04:42:30 am
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 28, 2011, 04:51:04 am
As for M:tG, a Twilight deck would be Blue/Black, Rarity would be White, Fluttershy would be Green, Rainbow Dash would be Red, Applejack would be Green/Red and Pinkie Pie would be a crazy multicolored deck that shouldn't work but somehow does.Just noticed this edit. I totally agree on Pinkie's deck. It should be a multitude of colors and colorless artifacts/enchantments, focusing on extreme ends of the cost spectrum, so that the deck more or less struggles to so much as get a single serious card out for the first half of the game, but if it survives past that or has a stroke of luck earlier, it unleashes all rainbow hell on everything. While singing.
And Dsarker, I do believe that in the Everfree and beyond pony control in general, normal food chains work. So, predators hunt and eat whatever they can catch, including ponies if they're feeling suicidal or live far enough away from Canterlot to remain unnoticed for a significant amount of time. Just because cattle is intelligent, for a predator it doesn't make it any less cattle.
Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 04:53:46 am
I mean, feth. There are NO wild animals near town. Why the hell is the ursa there? And what about the hydra? Where are its prey animals? Or the manticore?
Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 04:55:38 am
But the game is usually won or lost in the first ten plays.As for M:tG, a Twilight deck would be Blue/Black, Rarity would be White, Fluttershy would be Green, Rainbow Dash would be Red, Applejack would be Green/Red and Pinkie Pie would be a crazy multicolored deck that shouldn't work but somehow does.Just noticed this edit. I totally agree on Pinkie's deck. It should be a multitude of colors and colorless artifacts/enchantments, focusing on extreme ends of the cost spectrum, so that the deck more or less struggles to so much as get a single serious card out for the first half of the game, but if it survives past that or has a stroke of luck earlier, it unleashes all rainbow hell on everything. While singing.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 28, 2011, 04:58:08 am
And I do know that, Dsarker. It all goes with "Pinkie is so random". Either she somehow survives a withering assault and prevails as the Spirit of Laughter, or she lucks out and wins early by being Pinkie Pie.
Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 05:02:38 am
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Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 05:44:07 am
Large animals, the bottom of the food chain is ponies.
Small animals might be parasprites.
Post by: runiq on October 28, 2011, 06:06:17 am
Look what the postman brought today: https://imgur.com/a/7HvSo
All thanks to my cousin. Best. Cousin. Ever.
Now I'm off to find out how to pinkiefy that hair.
Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 06:19:53 am
Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 08:52:50 am
So I'm going to write a pure happyfic. However, there are some extra rules.
Firstly, it's going to be a straight MLP fic. No crossovers.
Secondly, it's going to be EITHER: a) written in Latin OR b) documented like that other piece of fiction I posted up recently. Or both.
If I go with b, I'd be looking for pictures previously done or that you'd want to do for it, either to describe what happens in the fic (ie The picture of the events of Tuesday night clears up a lot of questions, such as...) or direct inspiration.
Either way, I need some help with ideas.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 28, 2011, 09:00:04 am
Anyway, as for idea b. You could write it like a nature documentary. Pretend some scientist accidentally ended up in Equestria and is using a tape recorder to document the world and his struggles to return home.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 28, 2011, 09:12:41 am
And if you can do it in proper Latin, go ahead. I'd love to read something in Latin, simply because I'm always wondering what coherent sentences in that language actually sound like.
Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 09:13:11 am
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Post by: Zangi on October 28, 2011, 09:56:19 am
I'm gonna pimp my sidefic here. It's in the Side Stories post, obviously. I am working on the next chapter, but infrequently - school has kinda gotten in the way of me having much time to write.
Ah, I've probably read it, just the fact that it doesn't update much and is still in its early stages makes it... not as memorable.
Pinkie's deck on the lower spectrum would probably be based more on delay tactics and annoying the opponent, possibly a way to draw more cards to keep it up.But the game is usually won or lost in the first ten plays.As for M:tG, a Twilight deck would be Blue/Black, Rarity would be White, Fluttershy would be Green, Rainbow Dash would be Red, Applejack would be Green/Red and Pinkie Pie would be a crazy multicolored deck that shouldn't work but somehow does.Just noticed this edit. I totally agree on Pinkie's deck. It should be a multitude of colors and colorless artifacts/enchantments, focusing on extreme ends of the cost spectrum, so that the deck more or less struggles to so much as get a single serious card out for the first half of the game, but if it survives past that or has a stroke of luck earlier, it unleashes all rainbow hell on everything. While singing.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2011, 09:58:20 am
Sorry mate, but the only thing I can come up with isa collection of Roman soldiersCaligula ending up in Equestria and trying to build the Roman empire from scratch.
Fixed.
By the way, I really liked your fic, FD. Quite interesting and well written.
If you like, I have a sketchy backup plot arc in mind for the Goblin's Friend sequel that would bring Equestria to roughly the same state described in your work. Isn't all that much of a long shot.
Thanks! I'd honestly prefer to keep this at a distance from that fic, and the backstory I've got set up is actually crucial to the resolution of the plot.
Bit of a spoiler here:
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Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 10:03:05 am
Red/Black burn decks - Cupcakes
Red/Blue counter - Mopey Pie.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 28, 2011, 10:30:17 am
Zecora the zebra. Does she really only talk in verse? Because I'm currently trying to put a certain fictional legend into verse (for TGF's sequel project), am not really sure it's working out so well, and am really wondering if it's all that necessary.
What I got so far, before spoilers of the current TGF fic begin:
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Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2011, 10:40:45 am
A question I intended for the collaborative writing thread, but which I suppose fits here as well and is more likely to be answered quickly.
Zecora the zebra. Does she really only talk in verse? Because I'm currently trying to put a certain fictional legend into verse (for TGF's sequel project), am not really sure it's working out so well, and am really wondering if it's all that necessary.
What I got so far, before spoilers of the current TGF fic begin:Is there aSpoiler (click to show/hide)doctorgood poet in thehousethread?
It isn't so much that she speaks in verse as that she rhymes her sentences. You can have something written in verse without rhyming it. Blank verse is written in unrhymed iambic pentameter and is one of the most common forms in post 16th century English poetry.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 28, 2011, 10:51:23 am
And since I've posted that anyway, how would you gauge the existing segment? Good? Bad? Ugly?
I'm not well-versed (heh) in poetry even in my first language, so me trying to make a sort-of-poem in English is more than a little experimental.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2011, 11:33:05 am
Post by: Necro910 on October 28, 2011, 11:35:03 am
It's pretty good, but just keep in mind that you'll have many more options if you don't stick with rhyming, as that tends to lead to forced rhymes and awkward phrasing for the sake of keeping the rhyme. Incidentally, look at the Odssey. That is a perfect example of how to tell an epic tale in verse without rhyming. Hell, you don't even necessary have to use iambic pentameter; try a different meter, or even free verse.AMA FLUBBIN MAH JUBBIN MUFFIN
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2011, 11:58:19 am
It's pretty good, but just keep in mind that you'll have many more options if you don't stick with rhyming, as that tends to lead to forced rhymes and awkward phrasing for the sake of keeping the rhyme. Incidentally, look at the Odssey. That is a perfect example of how to tell an epic tale in verse without rhyming. Hell, you don't even necessary have to use iambic pentameter; try a different meter, or even free verse.AMA FLUBBIN MAH JUBBIN MUFFIN
On an unrelated note, I just noticed my language fail in that last post. Brain, why u so bad at thinking in the morning?
Post by: BowlSoldier on October 28, 2011, 12:02:23 pm
Meus paulus equus: Amicitia est maga (Could use mihi, but I like the rhyme)Partis primo: Elementii consensio
(Excuse my grammar, been a few years)
Post by: Dsarker on October 28, 2011, 04:27:58 pm
I think the greatest part is "Colours may vary."
Post by: Necro910 on October 28, 2011, 04:30:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsP2lviUcg0Fixed :P
I think the greatest part is "Colours will vary."
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 28, 2011, 04:33:47 pm
Honestly, for how bad the toys suck, at least they aren't making you pay out the ass for them. We went to Toys R' Us, the MLP toys were the only things that were less than $2 except for the candy on the impulse-buy shelves by the cashier.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 28, 2011, 04:42:29 pm
*fade to black*
Also, is it just me, or is Octavia tumblr best tumblr?
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Post by: Dsarker on October 29, 2011, 08:13:15 am
Spoiler: Melbourne Cup time! (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on October 29, 2011, 10:00:37 am
Post by: LordBucket on October 29, 2011, 12:30:40 pm
Pony vs Pony (http://www.ponyvspony.com/)
Post by: kaijyuu on October 29, 2011, 12:43:59 pm
Well it's not terrible for a block destroying game. For some reason I was never attacked by the computer though.
Post by: MC Dirty on October 29, 2011, 12:54:40 pm
Post by: LordBucket on October 29, 2011, 01:23:02 pm
it's not terrible for a block destroying game
Personally I thought the music made it worthwhile even if the game was unremarkable.
Post by: The Master on October 29, 2011, 02:35:04 pm
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Post by: Crazy Cow on October 29, 2011, 02:48:31 pm
I can only assume this has been posted, but...
Pony vs Pony (http://www.ponyvspony.com/)
Same people that made AdventureQuest, looks like.
*registers*
EDIT:
Never mind, that's a pretty lackluster game.
Post by: Zangi on October 29, 2011, 03:00:22 pm
I left that page up for the last half hour and was wondering where that came from.... damn you.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2011, 03:04:18 pm
I am the master, and I am a brony! RAINBOW DASH LOOKS AAAAAWEOSME IN THIS PICTURE(WARNING GOREY!)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is that... a Gantz suit? :D
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 29, 2011, 03:28:02 pm
I am the master, and I am a brony! RAINBOW DASH LOOKS AAAAAWEOSME IN THIS PICTURE(WARNING GOREY!)Damn. Makes mine look tame and fluffy by comparison. RD looks badass there, although if that suit/environment is a reference to something, I've never heard of it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hmm, gotta one-up with something...
Post by: Heliman on October 29, 2011, 03:40:31 pm
I can only assume this has been posted, but...And ponies and ponies and ponies ponies and ponies and rainbowponies and ponies and poneis andponies andponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponies
Pony vs Pony (http://www.ponyvspony.com/)
@-@
Post by: BowlSoldier on October 29, 2011, 03:49:10 pm
GAAAAHI can only assume this has been posted, but...And ponies and ponies and ponies ponies and ponies and rainbowponies and ponies and poneis andponies andponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponiesandponies
Pony vs Pony (http://www.ponyvspony.com/)
@-@
*gouges out his own auditory cortex with a spoon*
And yet, I leave the tab open. It's strangely hypnotic.
Post by: Roboboy33 on October 29, 2011, 04:21:30 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 29, 2011, 04:22:34 pm
Post by: The Master on October 29, 2011, 05:01:29 pm
correct! YOU WIN A FREE APPLEJACK CUPCAKE(the BAD kind)! :DI am the master, and I am a brony! RAINBOW DASH LOOKS AAAAAWEOSME IN THIS PICTURE(WARNING GOREY!)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is that... a Gantz suit? :D
Post by: The Master on October 29, 2011, 05:04:22 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 29, 2011, 06:00:17 pm
correct! YOU WIN A FREE APPLEJACK CUPCAKE(the BAD kind)! :DI am the master, and I am a brony! RAINBOW DASH LOOKS AAAAAWEOSME IN THIS PICTURE(WARNING GOREY!)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is that... a Gantz suit? :D
That crossover needs to be done so hard...
I am the master, and I am a brony! RAINBOW DASH LOOKS AAAAAWEOSME IN THIS PICTURE(WARNING GOREY!)Damn. Makes mine look tame and fluffy by comparison. RD looks badass there, although if that suit/environment is a reference to something, I've never heard of it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hmm, gotta one-up with something...
This. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/Gantz?from=Main.Gantz)
Post by: drilltooth on October 29, 2011, 07:44:51 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 29, 2011, 08:03:23 pm
if anyone isn't completely sick of cupcakes. somepony from my usual chat channel cooked this up: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/582675That wasn't that good, but it's cupcakes.
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Post by: Dsarker on October 29, 2011, 08:08:43 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 29, 2011, 08:17:42 pm
Not as much as roast.Cupcakes.
Add some salt just a Dash!
Post by: Dsarker on October 29, 2011, 09:55:35 pm
Yes, that's right. I (and anyone else who wants to do it, feel free to join) am going to translate the show into Latin.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 29, 2011, 10:24:42 pm
And also, I wonder how you're going to pull the whole "latin translated show". Do you plan on dubbing it with latin?
Post by: Dsarker on October 29, 2011, 10:29:37 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 30, 2011, 12:03:11 am
Yeah, that one might be... hard to surpass. It'd take TTGL to one-up the source material. However, I was thinking "Dash the Stampede"... not sure how that would work out.I am the master, and I am a brony! RAINBOW DASH LOOKS AAAAAWEOSME IN THIS PICTURE(WARNING GOREY!)Damn. Makes mine look tame and fluffy by comparison. RD looks badass there, although if that suit/environment is a reference to something, I've never heard of it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hmm, gotta one-up with something...
This. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/Gantz?from=Main.Gantz)
Post by: Flying Dice on October 30, 2011, 12:16:17 am
Yeah, that one might be... hard to surpass. It'd take TTGL to one-up the source material. However, I was thinking "Dash the Stampede"... not sure how that would work out.I am the master, and I am a brony! RAINBOW DASH LOOKS AAAAAWEOSME IN THIS PICTURE(WARNING GOREY!)Damn. Makes mine look tame and fluffy by comparison. RD looks badass there, although if that suit/environment is a reference to something, I've never heard of it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hmm, gotta one-up with something...
This. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/Gantz?from=Main.Gantz)
With her personality? Fluttershy, on the other hand...
Post by: kaijyuu on October 30, 2011, 12:56:05 am
You'd think it'd be distasteful, but no, it makes some of the pictures even more powerful. The Kent State one made me tear up a bit, and I've seen that picture hundreds of times.
Post by: Dsarker on October 30, 2011, 03:02:01 am
I can't believe this.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 30, 2011, 03:13:26 am
Maybe not, but with her seemingly being the official Ponyville stampede lookout, as well as, quite literally in some cases, a Pony-oid Typhoon, I fail to see a better candidate. Also Dash the Stampede. Seriously.Yeah, that one might be... hard to surpass. It'd take TTGL to one-up the source material. However, I was thinking "Dash the Stampede"... not sure how that would work out.I am the master, and I am a brony! RAINBOW DASH LOOKS AAAAAWEOSME IN THIS PICTURE(WARNING GOREY!)Damn. Makes mine look tame and fluffy by comparison. RD looks badass there, although if that suit/environment is a reference to something, I've never heard of it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hmm, gotta one-up with something...
This. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/Gantz?from=Main.Gantz)
With her personality? Fluttershy, on the other hand...
For Fluttershy I had a different idea in mind:
Spoiler: Sketchity sketch (click to show/hide)
Post by: Silfurdreki on October 30, 2011, 06:00:17 am
They say ponies make everything better, but now I really believe it. (http://davca.deviantart.com/gallery/33017456?offset=0)
You'd think it'd be distasteful, but no, it makes some of the pictures even more powerful. The Kent State one made me tear up a bit, and I've seen that picture hundreds of times.
Some of those are really good. The Applebloom and Marine (http://davca.deviantart.com/art/Applebloom-and-Marine-262546415) one is especially amazing. Also, I could totally believe that Dalí actually met Pinkie (http://davca.deviantart.com/art/Pinkie-and-Salvador-Dali-261205587), it would explain a lot. :P
Post by: Telgin on October 30, 2011, 01:26:46 pm
I really need to watch the episodes when they're current so I can actually participate in the discussions when they're still relevant, heh.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 30, 2011, 02:03:30 pm
This is not a pony vid. Don't click! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)
Post by: kaijyuu on October 30, 2011, 02:21:33 pm
Hush now, quiet now, it's time to lay your sleepy head...
Hush now, quiet now, soon you will be dead...
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 30, 2011, 02:22:18 pm
No no no, it goes like this:
Hush now, quiet now, it's time to lay your sleepy head...
Hush now, quiet now, soon you will be dead...
Y U NO DISTORT?
Post by: Flying Dice on October 30, 2011, 03:30:16 pm
This is not a pony vid. Don't click! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)
I recognized the video ID and clicked it anyway. :D
In unrelated news, hoping to get Ch3 up by tonight as I'm going to be too busy procrastinating on a paper this week to get anything more written, and was wondering if someone would give it a proofread: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18YdrUyCBzSURcQ8RgKtA7lZ9MnirkvYxHVnwLkcwrIQ/edit?hl=en_US# (https://docs.google.com/document/d/18YdrUyCBzSURcQ8RgKtA7lZ9MnirkvYxHVnwLkcwrIQ/edit?hl=en_US#)
Post by: Dsarker on October 30, 2011, 03:35:09 pm
No no no, it goes like this:
Hush now, quiet now, it's time to lay your sleepy head...
Hush now, quiet now, soon you will be dead...
Ftfy
Post by: kaijyuu on October 30, 2011, 03:56:16 pm
Hush now, quiet now, it's time to lay your sleepy head...
Hush now, quiet now, soon you will be dead...
Drifting off to sleep, leave your exciting life behind you...
Drifting off to sleep, let the joy of darkness find you!
Hush now, quiet now, lay your sleepy head...
Hush now, quiet now, it's time that you were dead!
Post by: Dsarker on October 30, 2011, 08:25:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hmmm. This is very revealing of the <INSERT APPLICABLE QUALITY HERE> of <INSERT APPLICABLE CHARACTER OR CHARACTERS HERE>
Post by: kaijyuu on October 31, 2011, 12:57:00 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce1hg63Cf5U
Vocalist isn't perfect but is pretty decent once she starts singing. Really well written adaption, and the art is damn good too.
Post by: Dsarker on October 31, 2011, 01:12:42 am
And God help me, I love rhymes. And puns.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 31, 2011, 01:23:24 am
Post by: kaijyuu on October 31, 2011, 01:28:09 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 31, 2011, 02:15:47 am
Random question: Has MLP changed your personality for the better?I've never been a fan of gauging my own... well, anything, really, especially personality. So even if it did change it, I wouldn't know. It certainly added a few good songs to my earworm list. Also, it's the only other thing besides the first and second Tremors movies that I can watch repeatedly without tiring of it.
Post by: drilltooth on October 31, 2011, 02:50:03 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 31, 2011, 04:44:12 am
Post by: Dsarker on October 31, 2011, 04:47:21 am
Post by: Azkanan on October 31, 2011, 06:09:29 am
Post by: Zangi on October 31, 2011, 10:06:01 am
Random question: Has MLP changed your personality for the better?Better? Who knows, give me a year or 2, I'll be more capable of looking back then. This thing is only just... 2-4 months old for me.
Tho, it at least has given me some creative juice... even if I don't put it on paper... I've got a world brewing up in my head, ever revisited and revised... but at least expanding each time I visit it.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 31, 2011, 10:18:48 am
It's certainly added a new place for my Continuous Mental Adventures to take place in, though.
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 31, 2011, 10:28:33 am
It's certainly added a new place for my Continuous Mental Adventures to take place in, though.
And here I thought I was alone in my Mental Adventures :p
I haven't been changed by MLP, and it isn't the kind of earth-shattering thing that would bring about change. I've noticed that a lot of people assume that being a brony means that your life is dominated by ponies, and my life isn't. It's simply something to do in bored moments; rewatch your favorite episode, read some cute shipping stories, laugh at a few well-done comics. MLP is no more a part of my life then House is to people that watch it (maybe slightly more, but still).
Post by: Neyvn on October 31, 2011, 10:29:27 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 31, 2011, 10:33:53 am
Post by: Fniff on October 31, 2011, 10:54:58 am
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2011, 11:58:14 am
+ Slightly less depression
+ Motivation to write
So basically a few things that make my life better, but not anything drastic.
Post by: Telgin on October 31, 2011, 12:41:07 pm
It has inspired my creativity a bit though. I almost hate to admit that the first thing I thought of when I was new to MLP:FiM is a 40K crossover. It's been done a number of times, I know, but that didn't stop me from starting what I expect to end up being a 100 page crossover comic on my deviantART account. If MLP can inspire me to finish that, then I might retract the statement that I'm unchanged by it.
Post by: Jacos on October 31, 2011, 12:44:25 pm
Random question: Has MLP changed your personality for the better?
Well, I find myself smiling more often, so I guess it has had a good impact.
Post by: RedKing on October 31, 2011, 01:04:22 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 31, 2011, 01:05:35 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on October 31, 2011, 01:06:30 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 31, 2011, 01:13:35 pm
This thread has 47 pages in 10 days. :oThe MLP threads over at Giant in the Playground cap off at 50 pages each. As of today, the thirtieth thread is on the 13th page. The first thread started on the 20th December last year. 316 days. Just under fifteen hundred pages. Eeyup.
edit: and that's at 30 posts per page, not whatever you're viewing at, RedKing.
Post by: Zangi on October 31, 2011, 01:15:07 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 31, 2011, 01:15:41 pm
HOLY DEEPFRIED SCOOTALOO that is a lot of bronies.This thread has 47 pages in 10 days. :oThe MLP threads over at Giant in the Playground cap off at 50 pages each. As of today, the thirtieth thread is on the 13th page. The first thread started on the 20th December last year. 316 days. Just under fifteen hundred pages. Eeyup.
Post by: RedKing on October 31, 2011, 01:16:37 pm
How many posts per page? Cause I'm at 14 pages...15 per page (forum default)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 31, 2011, 01:18:48 pm
HOLY DEEPFRIED SCOOTALOOI should suggest that to our local writing group. They'll no doubt be overjoyed at the prospect.
Post by: Necro910 on October 31, 2011, 01:21:39 pm
Tastes like Scootaloo? Canterlot Fried Scootaloo? :PHOLY DEEPFRIED SCOOTALOOI should suggest that to our local writing group. They'll no doubt be overjoyed at the prospect.
Post by: Lightning4 on October 31, 2011, 01:22:10 pm
The old thread was 11968 pages. The current one is at 2.7k
20 posts per page. Almost 300,000 posts.
It helps that they practically use it like an IRC though. I'm not actually sure they even talk about ponies all the time. That's just insane.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 31, 2011, 01:26:54 pm
It's like comparing Cthulhu, a god in his own right, to the vast seas of the Great Elder Ones.
Post by: Zangi on October 31, 2011, 01:28:07 pm
That's nothing. The pony thread I've seen over at MMO Champion got so big it broke, and they had to make a new one.Pony thread as non-related 'IRC'? Quickest way to keep me out of it.
The old thread was 11968 pages. The current one is at 2.7k
20 posts per page. Almost 300,000 posts.
It helps that they practically use it like an IRC though. I'm not actually sure they even talk about ponies all the time. That's just insane.
Post by: RedKing on October 31, 2011, 01:28:52 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 31, 2011, 01:36:51 pm
It's MOSTLY about ponies but not all. I lurk in it sometimes.
Post by: Dsarker on October 31, 2011, 02:01:59 pm
The Princess' Pegasus?Tastes like Scootaloo? Canterlot Fried Scootaloo? :PHOLY DEEPFRIED SCOOTALOOI should suggest that to our local writing group. They'll no doubt be overjoyed at the prospect.
Post by: penguinofhonor on October 31, 2011, 02:26:22 pm
Nightmare Night - Glaze (WoodenToaster) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PCEp8z7FNg&feature=feedu)
Vinyl vs. A Select Bunch of Stuff that Sounded Good Together - General Mumble (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26CEEwj7KG0&feature=feedu)
Post by: Necro910 on October 31, 2011, 02:38:30 pm
♪ My Little Pony, My Little Pony. Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-The Princess' Pegasus?Tastes like Scootaloo? Canterlot Fried Scootaloo? :PHOLY DEEPFRIED SCOOTALOOI should suggest that to our local writing group. They'll no doubt be overjoyed at the prospect.
(My Little Pony!)
I used to wonder what those screams could mean.
(My Little Pony!)
Until I walked in on Pinkie!
Knives and blades.
Ropes and chains!
A big ol’ mess.
A cutie mark dress!
Splitting kidneys.
Rotten meat!
The sprinkles made it all complete, you ate
(My Little Pony!)
You don’t want to be Pinkamena’s frrrriiiiiiiieeeeeeeend! ♪
Post by: Crazy Cow on October 31, 2011, 02:45:59 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 31, 2011, 02:49:12 pm
It's the future. Humanity managed to create complex multi-cellular life. So we then decide to genetically engineer ponies, put false memories inside their brains and put them inside very large studios with full surveillance at all times. It may be barbaric, but it makes awesome viewing. Until Twilight Sparkle wonders why her magic isn't working as well as it should, and inadvertently ends up breaking out of containment along with the rest of her friends. Cue existential problems and a very angry corporation trying to hunt the mane six down.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on October 31, 2011, 02:50:34 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 31, 2011, 02:52:05 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 31, 2011, 02:54:19 pm
Hm, I didn't really watch it. What do you mean?Puppy has lived whole life inside of a studio. Gets out, and finds out he isn't an invincible superdog with laser vision.
It'll be a lot sadder if it's like Bolt..It'd be more like "They Live", most likely :P
Post by: Telgin on October 31, 2011, 05:19:38 pm
♪ My Little Pony, My Little Pony. Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-
(My Little Pony!)
I used to wonder what those screams could mean.
(My Little Pony!)
Until I walked in on Pinkie!
Knives and blades.
Ropes and chains!
A big ol’ mess.
A cutie mark dress!
Splitting kidneys.
Rotten meat!
The sprinkles made it all complete, you ate
(My Little Pony!)
You don’t want to be Pinkamena’s frrrriiiiiiiieeeeeeeend! ♪
Ahaha, funniest thing I've read in a long time. I'm going to be singing this to myself as I play with the new pony mod version.
Post by: Dsarker on October 31, 2011, 05:33:13 pm
Well...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on October 31, 2011, 05:50:14 pm
I guess someone did.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on October 31, 2011, 05:53:54 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2011, 06:00:06 pm
Post by: Necro910 on October 31, 2011, 06:01:00 pm
I was singing this while walking with my friend.♪ My Little Pony, My Little Pony. Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-
(My Little Pony!)
I used to wonder what those screams could mean.
(My Little Pony!)
Until I walked in on Pinkie!
Knives and blades.
Ropes and chains!
A big ol’ mess.
A cutie mark dress!
Splitting kidneys.
Rotten meat!
The sprinkles made it all complete, you ate
(My Little Pony!)
You don’t want to be Pinkamena’s frrrriiiiiiiieeeeeeeend! ♪
Ahaha, funniest thing I've read in a long time. I'm going to be singing this to myself as I play with the new pony mod version.
I noticed he took a nice two steps away from me :P
Post by: Dsarker on October 31, 2011, 08:11:12 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on October 31, 2011, 09:26:44 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 31, 2011, 09:27:19 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 31, 2011, 09:30:24 pm
My junkman/collector side compels me to buy all of these.
Post by: Dsarker on October 31, 2011, 10:23:33 pm
I love this remix. It's very funny, too.
Post by: Jimmy on November 01, 2011, 05:13:14 am
Have a nice story to read. (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/2133/1/Friends-In-Need/)Well done. I was unsure this project would end up producing anything readable, but you've done an excellent job of making this interesting. I thoroughly enjoyed reading the first chapter.
Post by: Dsarker on November 01, 2011, 05:22:49 am
Have a nice story to read. (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/2133/1/Friends-In-Need/)Well done. I was unsure this project would end up producing anything readable, but you've done an excellent job of making this interesting. I thoroughly enjoyed reading the first chapter.
We're trying. We're going to actually edit the first chapter, get it fixed up, miscellaneous mistakes removed, that sort of thing. Then part two will be coming out, so stay tuned!
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 01, 2011, 10:50:19 am
Especially with our end goal depending on people liking the first part.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 01, 2011, 12:04:04 pm
Post by: Daetrin on November 01, 2011, 03:26:25 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 01, 2011, 08:17:20 pm
But before the child was eight years old, his wings fell off.
In despair, the uncle turned to a doctor to help. The doctor had never heard of something like that before, and so he said "Don't worry, old chap, I'll have a talk with the princesses. If something like this has happened before, they'll know how to fix it."
So he went home, and the next day was there when the clinic opened.
"What did they say?" were the first words out of his mouth. The doctor shook his head. "They've got the same problem."
Post by: LordBucket on November 01, 2011, 09:24:57 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/fe6ep.jpg)
If you've never played Tyrant, it's a flash collectible card game, a la Magic, but with pve missions, multiplayer raid events as well as pvp arena, tournaments and faction warfare. The game is, honestly, a bit more simple than Magic, but nevertheless it's fun. Mission and faction warfare is limited by energy which replenishes over time. Arena and tournaments are unrestricted, so you can play those as much as you want. Though it takes some building up before it's practical to participate in those. There is an optional "pay money for cards" system, and while people who pay do receive definite advantages, the game is completely playable without spending money. Again, I was competitive in a top 10 out of several hundreds faction, and never paid anything.
Links:
The game:
http://www.kongregate.com/games/synapticon/tyrant
Guild forum on kongregate:
http://www.kongregate.com/forums/65-tyrant/topics/217209-recruitment-my-little-pwny-combat-is-magic
Guild link:
http://www.kongregate.com/games/synapticon/tyrant?source=finv&kv_apply=7074002
Note that faction warfare necessarily involves everyone in a faction, so there's a minimum requirement of level 6 to get in. It should only take a couple days to get there.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 01, 2011, 09:41:30 pm
It was featured on Eqd, so most of you have probably already seen it.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 02, 2011, 08:04:36 pm
Lots o drama in the comments. People need to realize toys aren't canon. Just let people use whatever the hell names they want and be done with it.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 02, 2011, 08:06:25 pm
The show is now RUINED FOREVER (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/11/official-blind-bag-pony-names.html?commentPage=1) [/sarcasm]
Lots o drama in the comments. People need to realize toys aren't canon. Just let people use whatever the hell names they want and be done with it.
THEY DARE
[/rage]
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 02, 2011, 08:10:28 pm
<.<
>.>
But, anyway, I'm not worried. I'm not planning on purchasing any of those toys anyway, and it's not like they're about to start calling them that in the show.
Post by: Necro910 on November 02, 2011, 08:45:59 pm
Golden Harvest makes me think naughty thoughts...SILENCE YOU FOOL!
<.<
>.>
But, anyway, I'm not worried. I'm not planning on purchasing any of those toys anyway, and it's not like they're about to start calling them that in the show.
The Hasbro will hear you...
Post by: Flying Dice on November 02, 2011, 09:34:09 pm
And for anyone who didn't catch this on the main page, it is bucking AMAZING. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V5gvjHGJEe0)
Post by: Necro910 on November 02, 2011, 09:38:50 pm
It didn't help that they were Mane 6 recolors.Fiddle+Discord=Ecstasy
And for anyone who didn't catch this on the main page, it is bucking AMAZING. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V5gvjHGJEe0)
Post by: The Master on November 02, 2011, 09:40:08 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zangi on November 02, 2011, 10:30:25 pm
EpicIt didn't help that they were Mane 6 recolors.Fiddle+Discord=Ecstasy
And for anyone who didn't catch this on the main page, it is bucking AMAZING. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V5gvjHGJEe0)
I'm actually surprised that Hasbro made ponies that look like the ones in the show...The show is now RUINED FOREVER (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/11/official-blind-bag-pony-names.html?commentPage=1) [/sarcasm]
Lots o drama in the comments. People need to realize toys aren't canon. Just let people use whatever the hell names they want and be done with it.
THEY DARE
[/rage]
Post by: The Master on November 02, 2011, 10:45:28 pm
that is all.
Post by: Dsarker on November 02, 2011, 10:53:31 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Master on November 02, 2011, 11:07:51 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on November 02, 2011, 11:55:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fucking lost it. That's awesome!
Post by: Flying Dice on November 03, 2011, 12:02:54 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fucking lost it. That's awesome!
+1. Now my roommate is looking at me funny.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 03, 2011, 02:21:17 am
But, anyway, I'm not worried. I'm not planning on purchasing any of those toys anyway, and it's not like they're about to start calling them that in the show.Well, the problem is that if they ever name the background ponies in the show, they are probably going to use the official names.
Post by: Dsarker on November 03, 2011, 03:52:00 am
But, anyway, I'm not worried. I'm not planning on purchasing any of those toys anyway, and it's not like they're about to start calling them that in the show.Well, the problem is that if they ever name the background ponies in the show, they are probably going to use the official names.
The horror! A background pony with no actual backstory other than "likes berries" being referred to by a different name in canon than in fanon!
That's like a group of Star Wars fans arguing over the name of the stormtrooper who got shot first in The Empire Strikes Back.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 03, 2011, 04:02:46 am
That's like a group of Star Wars fans arguing over the name of the stormtrooper who got shot first in The Empire Strikes Back.You mean you don't do that? o.O
No, but seriously, it's understandable that the fans are a bit annoyed by that. They made up names, background stories and personalities for so many characters and Hasbro can just come along and say "Nope. *trollface*" Known as "Jossed (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jossed)" on TVTropes. Granted, the show isn't very complex, but the characters are, so this applies here as well.
Post by: Dsarker on November 03, 2011, 04:05:58 am
That's like a group of Star Wars fans arguing over the name of the stormtrooper who got shot first in The Empire Strikes Back.You mean you don't do that? o.O
No, but seriously, it's understandable that the fans are a bit annoyed by that. They made up names, background stories and personalities for so many characters and Hasbro can just come along and say "Nope. *trollface*" Known as "Jossed (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jossed)" on TVTropes. Granted, the show isn't very complex, but the characters are, so this applies here as well.
See, this (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/pinkie-pies-4th-wall-antics-denied.html) is more worthy of fanrage than that.
Post by: Jimmy on November 03, 2011, 05:21:57 am
http://youtu.be/nsHXWDfgCmg (http://youtu.be/nsHXWDfgCmg)
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 03, 2011, 08:17:51 am
That's like a group of Star Wars fans arguing over the name of the stormtrooper who got shot first in The Empire Strikes Back.You mean you don't do that? o.O
No, but seriously, it's understandable that the fans are a bit annoyed by that. They made up names, background stories and personalities for so many characters and Hasbro can just come along and say "Nope. *trollface*" Known as "Jossed (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jossed)" on TVTropes. Granted, the show isn't very complex, but the characters are, so this applies here as well.
See, this (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/pinkie-pies-4th-wall-antics-denied.html) is more worthy of fanrage than that.
You see, everyone had it coming, what with building characters out of a cutie mark and a color. Not saying it's bad; the background characters are all an important part of fanon right now. But it was destined that the hammer of God crush at least some of that with official content.
Pinkie Pie, on the other hand...
That is inexcusable.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 08:21:56 am
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 03, 2011, 08:26:28 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 08:35:17 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 03, 2011, 09:11:05 am
See, this (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/pinkie-pies-4th-wall-antics-denied.html) is more worthy of fanrage than that.Actually, no. All that screenshot said was:
Fan: "Was Pinkie Pie supposed to look at the audience in these scenes?"
Animator: "No."
That is all. Everyone is overreacting "OH NOES, Pinkie Pie actually never broke the fourth wall!" But that is just wrong. Look at the ending of "Swarm Of The Century" or "Friendship Is Magic Part 2" or Pinkie Pie's cupcake song. She very clearly breaks the fourth wall.
There are many ways to break the fourth wall without ever looking at the fourth wall, so that actually changes nothing at all.
Post by: Zangi on November 03, 2011, 09:45:16 am
Heartstrings, such a
Blues/Noteworthy, meh, never was on any of my radars, but since he now has a canon name, I might incorporate him somewhere...
Golden Harvest... well.. its another pony name... a randomly generated one picking 2 words that sound shitty together...
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 09:49:35 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 03, 2011, 09:53:36 am
BerryNitpick! Toys aren't canon. Not at all. Unless of course, you think this (http://www.strawberryreef.com/images/backcards/G4/applejack_truck.jpg) exists in-universe. Note applejack's pink frilly accessories! She's known to love those!Moonshine... I have no problems with this name. I can see her having a number of tubs in her basement. She will be my Brewer.
Heartstrings, such apansypony name, but yea, considering the fandom, she's always been the one with the britches. Heck, she could still be the one with the britches... ain't changing that.
Blues/Noteworthy, meh, never was on any of my radars, but since he now has a canon name, I might incorporate him somewhere...
Golden Harvest... well.. its another pony name... a randomly generated one picking 2 words that sound shitty together...
I don't mind people calling these names "official" but they're absolutely no better justified to be used than the fanon ones. Calling them canon will only confuse.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 03, 2011, 09:56:23 am
I don't care that they ruined her name, man. THEY MADE A TOY FOR HER.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 03, 2011, 10:05:35 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 03, 2011, 10:08:16 am
Carrots aren't even golden anyway, they're orange.
At least we know they seem to be trying to appeal to the older demographic by including some popular background characters in the toy lines. Unfortunately, with 'tries' like this, they're going to have a bit of rockiness.
Post by: Zangi on November 03, 2011, 10:13:45 am
Meh, a matter of opinion, don't matter to me as much. As for the abomination that is Applejack's car... well, it ain't a stretch for me to see it as a recolored steampunk pick-up of sorts... and I'll eventually figure in a suitable use for ponies and non-ponies in my little world....BerryNitpick! Toys aren't canon. Not at all. Unless of course, you think this (http://www.strawberryreef.com/images/backcards/G4/applejack_truck.jpg) exists in-universe. Note applejack's pink frilly accessories! She's known to love those!Moonshine... I have no problems with this name. I can see her having a number of tubs in her basement. She will be my Brewer.
Heartstrings, such apansypony name, but yea, considering the fandom, she's always been the one with the britches. Heck, she could still be the one with the britches... ain't changing that.
Blues/Noteworthy, meh, never was on any of my radars, but since he now has a canon name, I might incorporate him somewhere...
Golden Harvest... well.. its another pony name... a randomly generated one picking 2 words that sound shitty together...
I don't mind people calling these names "official" but they're absolutely no better justified to be used than the fanon ones. Calling them canon will only confuse.
Post by: Necro910 on November 03, 2011, 10:17:42 am
Because opening up the screen and talking straight at the audience is not breaking the fourth wall.That's like a group of Star Wars fans arguing over the name of the stormtrooper who got shot first in The Empire Strikes Back.You mean you don't do that? o.O
No, but seriously, it's understandable that the fans are a bit annoyed by that. They made up names, background stories and personalities for so many characters and Hasbro can just come along and say "Nope. *trollface*" Known as "Jossed (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jossed)" on TVTropes. Granted, the show isn't very complex, but the characters are, so this applies here as well.
See, this (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/pinkie-pies-4th-wall-antics-denied.html) is more worthy of fanrage than that.
Post by: penguinofhonor on November 03, 2011, 11:54:37 am
More background pony fans need that attitude, penguin :D
I agree. I'll always call her Carrot Top, but guess what? The toy doesn't force me to call her Golden
Post by: kaijyuu on November 03, 2011, 12:07:04 pm
Post by: Necro910 on November 03, 2011, 12:10:40 pm
Go into a dark bathroom, fog up the mirrors with hot water, and say "Carrot Top" three times.More background pony fans need that attitude, penguin :D
I agree. I'll always call her Carrot Top, but guess what? The toy doesn't force me to call her GoldenShowerHarvest. How do I acquire one of these things?
Sacrifice black rams for maximum effect.
Post by: Dsarker on November 03, 2011, 04:00:12 pm
There's nothing in any of the major stores, as far as I can tell.
Post by: Dsarker on November 03, 2011, 04:48:12 pm
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Now look at the position she's in and guess why she's blushing.
BAM! And the d'awww is gone!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 05:06:59 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 03, 2011, 05:15:17 pm
Also, for those wondering what Luna would have looked liked after Rarity's makeover...
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 05:23:29 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 03, 2011, 05:23:41 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 03, 2011, 05:45:40 pm
Spoiler: Rainbow dash is just comical in this (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dsarker on November 03, 2011, 05:50:04 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 03, 2011, 05:51:35 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on November 03, 2011, 06:07:08 pm
Hey, you! Have you had your daily dose of d'awwwwww?[/size]Now look at the position she's in and guess why she's blushing.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
BAM! And the d'awww is gone!
Nope, the d'awww is still there.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 06:12:50 pm
You're missing the important part of that - Celestia is now white again!Not very white though. She's still more than a little pink, especially noticeable in her wings. She could still be pink, just flooded out with light to appear whiter. I mean, compare her to Rarity or Sweetie Belle, who are technically white (well, off-white in the show, but whatever).
Post by: kaijyuu on November 03, 2011, 06:14:24 pm
Post by: LordBucket on November 03, 2011, 07:25:58 pm
That is all. Everyone is overreacting "OH NOES, Pinkie Pie actually never broke the fourth wall!" But that is just wrong. Look at the ending of "Swarm Of The Century" or "Friendship Is Magic Part 2" or Pinkie Pie's cupcake song. She very clearly breaks the fourth wall.
There are many ways to break the fourth wall without ever looking at the fourth wall, so that actually changes nothing at all.
Pinkie Pie is obviously aware. If the animators are denying it, they're either lying or as was said earlier in the thread, she's genuinely a conscious entity as is manifesting into this reality.
People like to talk about her looking into the camera, manipulating the iris, etc. But there are things she does that are so subtle that I've only noticed them because I was freeze-framing through scenes taking screenshots.
I've mentioned this before, but for example:
(http://i.imgur.com/33OZc.jpg)
That's during a roughly quarter-second zoom out, after Discord transports Twilight and himself back in time to show her his riddle. Pinkie is looking right at them when they show up, even though they're faded to imply that they're invisible, and standing way behind everyone. Pinkie sees them, blinks, and then looks forward to where everyone else is focusing on the present-time Discord talking.
She knew. And she didn't say a word.
It was an impulse reaction. Your eyes naturally track motion. She knew they appeared, so she looked. Then realized she wasn't supposed to be looking at them so she played along.
Pinkie Pie is totally aware.
So next time Pinkie Pie smiles at you, smile back at her. Wish her well. She might just hear you.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 03, 2011, 07:27:52 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 03, 2011, 07:30:52 pm
Post by: LordBucket on November 03, 2011, 07:36:20 pm
Pinkie Pie is a metaphysical god. Kinda like Discord except she hides it.
I don't know the details, but I think she's a conscious being. I've posted my theories before about how I think Celestia is a fourth density being (http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=Densities&subcategory=Fourth) who's created Equestria to give her pet soul Twilight a physical universe to live and learn in. I don't think the writers are aware of this, but it explains so many things about the show that don't otherwise make sense.
Pinkie Pie is either a third density consciousness on the verge of ascension, and consequently aware of the nature of her reality as she peeks out from it, or she's also a fourth density consciousness temporarily inhabiting a body to play with Twilight.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 07:40:09 pm
It's still my theory that the Element of Laughter grants her that power and that all of the bearers have the chance to tap into such raw ability.Yeah, but their elements won't let them go beyond the universe they're in. Honesty, Loyalty, Kindness, Generosity, even Magic. The fourth wall is only tangible to comedy, and the Element of Laughter is the only one with a strong enough sense of the Rule of Fun. Pinkie is unique. She can manipulate the will of her creators.
Post by: Fniff on November 03, 2011, 07:45:33 pm
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Post by: MC Dirty on November 03, 2011, 07:47:41 pm
I think he means that all bearers of the Element of Laughter have that power, so really, you're both agreeing. At least I think so. It makes sense that the current bearers of the Elements aren't the first ones.It's still my theory that the Element of Laughter grants her that power and that all of the bearers have the chance to tap into such raw ability.Yeah, but their elements won't let them go beyond the universe they're in. Honesty, Loyalty, Kindness, Generosity, even Magic. The fourth wall is only tangible to comedy, and the Element of Laughter is the only one with a strong enough sense of the Rule of Fun. Pinkie is unique. She can manipulate the will of her creators.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 07:50:33 pm
Now make something she'd write to TBP.Dunno why I made this. Just did.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You know, considering our latest.. er, project. And his part in it. >:D
edit:
Well, let's see. As far as is known, they're first used by Celestia & Luna to statueify Discord. Then, used by Celestia to Moonify Luna/Nightmare Moon. And never once used since then. So I'd guess no, the M6 are really the first actual "wielders" of the Elements. Celestia and Luna merely used their power, but the main cast are actually in tune with them, each with her own element.I think he means that all bearers of the Element of Laughter have that power, so really, you're both agreeing. At least I think so. It makes sense that the current bearers of the Elements aren't the first ones.It's still my theory that the Element of Laughter grants her that power and that all of the bearers have the chance to tap into such raw ability.Yeah, but their elements won't let them go beyond the universe they're in. Honesty, Loyalty, Kindness, Generosity, even Magic. The fourth wall is only tangible to comedy, and the Element of Laughter is the only one with a strong enough sense of the Rule of Fun. Pinkie is unique. She can manipulate the will of her creators.
Post by: Fniff on November 03, 2011, 07:52:38 pm
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Wonder why I did this.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 07:57:31 pm
*facepalm, muffled laugh*Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wonder why I did this.
No, Fniff. TBP, not TPB. As in, TheBronzePickle. Although I'm sure you understood that. :)
Post by: Fniff on November 03, 2011, 07:59:31 pm
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 08:05:26 pm
"Stop harrassing poor Fniff, or you don't want to know what I'm going to draw of you."
/me patches the bare spot on the wall with a Band-Aid.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 03, 2011, 08:05:42 pm
Or you can get arrested for more than an overnight stay and/or a fine of more than $2,000.
Post by: Fniff on November 03, 2011, 08:07:10 pm
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 08:10:43 pm
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Post by: Fniff on November 03, 2011, 08:15:16 pm
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Post by: Furtuka on November 03, 2011, 08:15:40 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 08:18:48 pm
In other news, I'm practically finished with the layout and colors of the cover image and... hm, what's the band-aid doing on the floor?
Oh.
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Dammit.
"C'mere, you little extradimensional furball!"
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 03, 2011, 08:19:39 pm
How did that prank thing turn out anyways?
Thanks to a few slowdowns, we missed Halloween. We're currently trying to get it on EqD, I think, so it hasn't exactly reached fruition yet.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 08:26:42 pm
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"I said go home! Before I do something... other people will regret!"
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Ah. There!
/me spot-welds the crack in the wall.
That should do it. One damn noisy pony, it's half past five AM here!
Anyway, we're probably looking at a day or two more of the delays, after which we hit Phase 2, and, hopefully, Phase 3 not long after that.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 03, 2011, 08:28:38 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 03, 2011, 08:33:30 pm
We need to get it posted on EqD, and even then we might need a little more aggressive "advertising" to get people to read and track it.
Post by: LordBucket on November 03, 2011, 10:04:15 pm
In other words, somebody went to a lot of effort to make something that would be very funny to an extremely small audience. If you don't get it, that's ok. If you do, here it is.
Enjoy.
My Little Pony in a Nutshell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUx-PbltFfU)
Post by: Fniff on November 03, 2011, 10:09:24 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 03, 2011, 11:52:07 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 04, 2011, 12:39:58 am
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Radiovangelists are spreading Her Word!
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Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 01:56:10 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 05:29:28 am
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 04, 2011, 05:57:10 am
Very nice otherwise. :)
Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 05:59:34 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 04, 2011, 06:04:41 am
And then I imagined Equestrian IRC. Poor little baby dragons...
Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 06:06:19 am
Get back to drawing, slave! We don't pay you to discuss things or make intelligent comments!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 04, 2011, 06:12:05 am
Get back to writing, oppressive tyrant! I don't draw pictures just so you could gaze at them!
Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 06:26:41 am
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Nice cutie mark, Discord.
Post by: Lightning4 on November 04, 2011, 10:38:55 am
This is a pony parody crossover of a parody of a non-pony show. It is awesome. But for it to be awesome, you'd probably have had to watch both shows and the parody of the show that this is a parody of.
In other words, somebody went to a lot of effort to make something that would be very funny to an extremely small audience. If you don't get it, that's ok. If you do, here it is.
Enjoy.
My Little Pony in a Nutshell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUx-PbltFfU)
Better yet, it's technically a pony parody of a parody of a parody, as DBZ Kai Abridged Episode 1 is as much as parody of normal DBZ Abridged as it is the actual show they're parodying.
Feels good being in that extremely small audience.
Post by: Zangi on November 04, 2011, 11:29:23 am
Also for reference, assume that at least half of Dsarker's pic posts are not cute, but yea, not bothered by it myself. Just seen some complaints about it.
Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 03:55:53 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on November 04, 2011, 04:39:34 pm
Only half?
At least half.
Post by: Armok on November 04, 2011, 04:49:20 pm
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Post by: Sordid on November 04, 2011, 06:10:04 pm
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Yeah, bring this worthless piece of turd into the pony thread. Why not. >:(
Post by: UberNube on November 04, 2011, 06:28:12 pm
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Yeah, bring this worthless piece of turd into the pony thread. Why not. >:(
Whatever happened to love and tolerance? Sure the guy is utterly insane, but that doesn't mean he's bad; It just means he needs help. The picture was funny and I laughed. I see no reason to get angry at it.
(sorry if you were joking, it's kind of hard to tell on the internet)
Post by: Lumbajak on November 04, 2011, 06:32:08 pm
And it would probably be worse than the /co/ ones.
Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 06:33:47 pm
Post by: Necro910 on November 04, 2011, 06:37:33 pm
I feel as though I could probably make a Bay12 pony thread simulator.Instead of candied horse semen from females, it'd be MY DAMNED PONY: GUTS ARE GLORIOUS
And it would probably be worse than the /co/ ones.
Post by: Zangi on November 04, 2011, 06:48:34 pm
I feel as though I could probably make a Bay12 pony thread simulator.I'll give you +1 internets if you do.
And it would probably be worse than the /co/ ones.
Post by: Fniff on November 04, 2011, 06:50:28 pm
Fniff=Make Obnoxious Comments
Everyone Else=Be Actually Smart
Post by: Flying Dice on November 04, 2011, 07:20:12 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 07:22:32 pm
Post by: The Master on November 04, 2011, 07:48:35 pm
R U?
Post by: Zangi on November 04, 2011, 08:16:50 pm
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Post by: Necro910 on November 04, 2011, 08:19:46 pm
I chuckled at this.SIT PROPERLY DAMN ITSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: kaijyuu on November 04, 2011, 08:20:17 pm
Post by: LordBucket on November 04, 2011, 08:21:31 pm
+ me and (was it Lord Bucket? Maybe, anyhow)
argue for days about some meaningless topic.
Whether racially based child slavery exists in Equestria, with Spike as the example.
The way I remember it, we both agreed that it was a a plausible but unverifiable interpretation of the evidence. Kind of like if we saw a box and heard ticking from it, and one of us said it might be a bomb and the other said it might be a clock. Neither of us seemed to be actually asserting that it was a bomb or a clock, just that it was possible because of lack of evidence to contradict it, and only circumstantial evidence to support it.
In the case of Spike, there are unanswered questions in the show, and that he's a race-slave is a plausible answer to those questions that doesn't contradict any of the available evidence. And that he isn't, is also a plausible answer without contradicting the available evidence. But once we agreed on that, we kept arguing anyway. Kind of felt bad. Usually we've agreed on pony things. But once the ball starting rolling downhill, it kind of kept going.
Post by: The Master on November 04, 2011, 08:40:23 pm
I think my brain just imploded. ...what in Equestria are you talking about?+ me and (was it Lord Bucket? Maybe, anyhow)
argue for days about some meaningless topic.
Whether racially based child slavery exists in Equestria, with Spike as the example.
The way I remember it, we both agreed that it was a a plausible but unverifiable interpretation of the evidence. Kind of like if we saw a box and heard ticking from it, and one of us said it might be a bomb and the other said it might be a clock. Neither of us seemed to be actually asserting that it was a bomb or a clock, just that it was possible because of lack of evidence to contradict it, and only circumstantial evidence to support it.
In the case of Spike, there are unanswered questions in the show, and that he's a race-slave is a plausible answer to those questions that doesn't contradict any of the available evidence. And that he isn't, is also a plausible answer without contradicting the available evidence. But once we agreed on that, we kept arguing anyway. Kind of felt bad. Usually we've agreed on pony things. But once the ball starting rolling downhill, it kind of kept going.
Post by: LordBucket on November 04, 2011, 08:48:03 pm
I think my brain just imploded. ...what in Equestria are you talking about?
The discussion lasted almost 10 pages. It would be difficult to summarize.
If you'd like to read through it, start here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=95145.msg2711615#msg2711615).
Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 09:18:15 pm
LordBucket: Spike must be a slave.
Slaves are not returned to people of their race, slaves do work.
Spike is not returned to his kind, Spike does work.
QED, Spike is a slave.
Flying Dice: Spike is not a slave.
Dragons are dangerous even to other dragons, Spike has no want to be reunited with his kind.
Spike is not returned because it would be dangerous and he doesn't want to.
QED, Spike is not a slave.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 04, 2011, 09:20:48 pm
I think my brain just imploded. ...what in Equestria are you talking about?
The discussion lasted almost 10 pages. It would be difficult to summarize.
If you'd like to read through it, start here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=95145.msg2711615#msg2711615).
And whatever you do, please don't start raising points of your own, because I don't think any of us want to take ten pages or so to determine that we can't convince each other again. :P
Spoiler: And now, for something completely different! (click to show/hide)
Edit: Looks like My Little Hangover has another chapter up! (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/09/story-my-little-hangover.html) :D
Post by: LordBucket on November 04, 2011, 09:30:14 pm
Here it is, summarise:
LordBucket: Spike must be a slave.
QED, Spike is a slave.
Flying Dice: Spike is not a slave.
QED, Spike is not a slave.
That is a gross misrepresentation of both sides of the discussion. We both agreed that we could not disprove the opposing interpretation, nor conclusively confirm our own interpretation, based on the available evidence.
Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 09:33:19 pm
Here it is, summarise:
LordBucket: Spike must be a slave.
QED, Spike is a slave.
Flying Dice: Spike is not a slave.
QED, Spike is not a slave.
That is a gross misrepresentation of both sides of the discussion. We both agreed that we could not disprove the opposing interpretation, nor conclusively confirm our own interpretation, based on the available evidence.
Of course that is, because you misrepresented the representation.
Post by: Fniff on November 04, 2011, 09:35:19 pm
Post by: Necro910 on November 04, 2011, 09:41:09 pm
And it all begins again.ARMOK FUCKING DAMN IT NOT AGAIN
Anyhow, there is PONY SPACE (http://fav.me/d4f1who). I made it to the 2 minute mark, then I died due to the whole floor being covered in necroponies. Have Fun ;D
Post by: Fniff on November 04, 2011, 09:43:54 pm
Post by: Necro910 on November 04, 2011, 09:45:36 pm
I was sort of hoping it was an unholy cross between Dorf Space and Pony Fortress.I am in the production of making that, actually. And I'm
About 1/3 done. Take note that the Necroponies will require a world regen.
Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 09:45:54 pm
How's THAT for an idea?
Post by: Fniff on November 04, 2011, 09:50:23 pm
Great idea.
Post by: Necro910 on November 04, 2011, 10:06:09 pm
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Post by: Dsarker on November 04, 2011, 10:28:54 pm
MY LITTLE FORTRESS!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 04, 2011, 10:41:15 pm
Post by: Telgin on November 04, 2011, 11:03:20 pm
And it all begins again.ARMOK FUCKING DAMN IT NOT AGAIN
Anyhow, there is PONY SPACE (http://fav.me/d4f1who). I made it to the 2 minute mark, then I died due to the whole floor being covered in necroponies. Have Fun ;D
Ah the possibilities. I'd be interested in seeing a complete version of that for sure. Is there anything ponies doesn't crossover with?
Makes me angry at myself for being too cheap to have bought a new XBox 360 so I could get Dead Space 2.
Post by: Heliman on November 05, 2011, 12:18:01 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 05, 2011, 12:25:36 am
Post by: Heliman on November 05, 2011, 12:28:25 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 05, 2011, 12:44:57 am
Really? I thought it was going to be a Halloween premiere. Oh well.
I'm surprised anyone expected a bunch of dwarves to finish something on time.
Post by: Dsarker on November 05, 2011, 12:53:01 am
Really? I thought it was going to be a Halloween premiere. Oh well.
I'm surprised anyone expected a bunch of dwarves to finish something on time.
Well, from what's been happening, it should be finished at Halloween. Next year.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 05, 2011, 01:25:41 am
Post by: Heliman on November 05, 2011, 02:44:28 am
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Post by: Fniff on November 05, 2011, 07:11:05 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 05, 2011, 09:34:12 am
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 05, 2011, 10:46:46 am
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Post by: Bohandas on November 05, 2011, 11:48:23 am
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Post by: Telgin on November 05, 2011, 12:15:27 pm
Does anybody think that in Luna Eclipsed it was kind of stupid of Princess Luna to start with the only city to actually have witnessed her flipping out as Nightmare Moon within living memory?
Or perhaps she thought it would be the best place to start making amends.
Of course, her approach would have probably received similar response anywhere. I'm going along with the theory that Celestia told her that would be the best place to start, since the mane 6 were there, but we have no evidence of that.
I'm hoping that they do show some Celestia / Luna interaction in the future, but so far as we know there aren't any more episodes planned that even include Luna, right?
Post by: dragonshardz on November 05, 2011, 12:20:16 pm
SETHISTO LIVES IN GLENDALE AZ.
I LIVED IN MESA.
DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 05, 2011, 12:26:12 pm
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Post by: kaijyuu on November 05, 2011, 07:09:48 pm
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Post by: LordBucket on November 05, 2011, 08:07:01 pm
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Anyway, on a different topic, I notice that references were made to pigs on Applejack's farm again. And some were even shown. I have a question. Chickens make eggs, cows make milk...what use is there for pigs on a farm other than eating them?
Post by: Dsarker on November 05, 2011, 08:09:42 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 05, 2011, 08:12:36 pm
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Edit for information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truffle_hog). Now imagine if the pigs were intelligent enough to find and possibly dig up and transport truffles on their own, in exchange for what amounts to room and board (with the added bonus of, as Dsarker mentioned, fertilizer). Seems like a handy way to add a bit of extra profit on the side, and the climate fits.
Post by: Zangi on November 05, 2011, 08:14:20 pm
Yea, that is what they is for.
Post by: Virodhi on November 05, 2011, 08:21:51 pm
Post by: The Master on November 05, 2011, 08:22:23 pm
I found this, I died of laughter.
YOU find this, YOU die of laughter.
Post by: Necro910 on November 05, 2011, 08:30:57 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltunbmH7cO1r5tr09o1_500.png)Great, congratulations.
I found this, I died of laughter.
YOU find this, YOU die of laughter.
Now I know that concentrated appleseed paste contains cyanide. Time to offer punch to the local
Post by: adecoy95 on November 05, 2011, 09:58:37 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 05, 2011, 10:21:31 pm
There wasn't much comedy and the heartwarming fell kinda flat due to feeling like I'm being bludgeoned with it. It would've worked better with some subtlety (facial expressions in season 2 are really over-expressive so far). The conflict just didn't really grab me, so of course the resolution didn't affect me either. Maybe it's because I wasn't really sympathetic to either of them.
It's weird; I don't know how to place it. All the other episodes in MLP I've had at least some strong opinion on (even if it's hate like for lesson zero or feeling pinkie keen). This one just feels incredibly average (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlemlheqr7b3csw).
Post by: Fniff on November 05, 2011, 10:28:25 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 05, 2011, 10:30:09 pm
So you could spend an entire day doing nothing but swallowing Appleseeds and you would be fine.
Post by: Dsarker on November 05, 2011, 10:41:09 pm
While Appleseeds contain Cyanide it's coated in an indigestible shell.Exactly as designed.
So you could spend an entire day doing nothing but swallowing Appleseeds and you would be fine.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 05, 2011, 10:44:33 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 05, 2011, 10:49:01 pm
Even if you broke open the appleseeds, there's not enough cyanide to kill you. Unless you ate enough apples that your stomach burst open.
Given that these are My Little Ponies we are talking about. I think that is possible for them to eat apples equal to their bodyweight (in fact havn't they done that before?)
Also I don't think even then there is enough Cyanide to kill you even in that much appleseeds (the issue is health degredation over time). (goodness I remember one series I watched where someone was killed with a sewing needle coated in cyanide. Unfortunately what I found out is that it wouldn't have killed anyone)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 05, 2011, 11:07:29 pm
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and then we were impressed by a rather good humanized Celestia.
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Even if you broke open the appleseeds, there's not enough cyanide to kill you. Unless you ate enough apples that your stomach burst open.
Given that these are My Little Ponies we are talking about. I think that is possible for them to eat apples equal to their bodyweight (in fact havn't they done that before?)
Also I don't think even then there is enough Cyanide to kill you even in that much appleseeds (the issue is health degredation over time). (goodness I remember one series I watched where someone was killed with a sewing needle coated in cyanide. Unfortunately what I found out is that it wouldn't have killed anyone)
Far from the first time I've posted this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xxAJqvslV7M), but it fits so very well.
Regarding future episodes: Cautiously optimistic.
Post by: Neonivek on November 05, 2011, 11:12:03 pm
The only my little pony I ever watched was... a really REALLY bad episode of 2nd (or possibly) 3rd generation My Little Pony (as opposed to this which is 4th). Though I only watched it because it was on.
THOUGH this could be one of those fads that are a lot less interesting to anyone who isn't thrown into it... Like Beiber and his generic songs.
Post by: LordBucket on November 05, 2011, 11:50:55 pm
Also I don't think even then there is enough Cyanide to kill you even in that much appleseeds
Piecing together information from a couple links: 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide_poisoning) 2 (http://miltreynolds.blogspot.com/2010/09/apple-seeds-and-cyanide.html) 3 (http://jarvissa.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-to-kill-yourself-with-apple-seeds.html) 4 (http://chemistry.about.com/b/2007/09/12/yes-apple-seeds-and-cherry-pits-are-poisonous.htm) 5 (http://pollinator.com/sd_count.htm)
Assuming the data is correct, 1.5mg of cyanide per kg of body weight can be lethal, and apple seeds contain 0.6mg hydrogen cyanide per 1000mg of dry seed. A 150lb human is ~68kg, so 108mg cyanide required. 108mg / .6 * 1000 = 180,000mg of seeds for a lethal dose. That's ~.397 pounds of appleseed to kill a 150 pound human.
With the caveat that you would have to chew the seeds because apparently the shells tend to be indigestible. And I imagine if you mouthed a handful of seeds you'd tend to swallow most of them, so you'd have to carefully chew them a couple at a time. I haven't been able to find numbers for the weight of appleseeds, but if I were to venture a guess of general order of magnitude, we're probably talking several tens of thousands of appleseeds, chewed 2-3 at a time, to get a fatal dose.
Apples have typically between 4 and 12 seeds each, with healthier apples tending to have more. Since Applejack is awesome, obviously her apples are healthy and will have lots of seeds. So we'll assume 12. 10,000 / 12 = 833 apples to get 10,000 seeds.
So...a couple thousand apples worth of seeds might be fatal?
Post by: Neonivek on November 05, 2011, 11:58:37 pm
So if you chewed 2 at a time you could actually reach a state where you can never get to a lethal dose.
Post by: Necro910 on November 06, 2011, 12:01:46 am
*sigh*Also I don't think even then there is enough Cyanide to kill you even in that much appleseeds
Piecing together information from a couple links: 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide_poisoning) 2 (http://miltreynolds.blogspot.com/2010/09/apple-seeds-and-cyanide.html) 3 (http://jarvissa.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-to-kill-yourself-with-apple-seeds.html) 4 (http://chemistry.about.com/b/2007/09/12/yes-apple-seeds-and-cherry-pits-are-poisonous.htm) 5 (http://pollinator.com/sd_count.htm)
Assuming the data is correct, 1.5mg of cyanide per kg of body weight can be lethal, and apple seeds contain 0.6mg hydrogen cyanide per 1000mg of dry seed. A 150lb human is ~68kg, so 108mg cyanide required. 108mg / .6 * 1000 = 180,000mg of seeds for a lethal dose. That's ~.397 pounds of appleseed to kill a 150 pound human.
With the caveat that you would have to chew the seeds because apparently the shells tend to be indigestible. And I imagine if you mouthed a handful of seeds you'd tend to swallow most of them, so you'd have to carefully chew them a couple at a time. I haven't been able to find numbers for the weight of appleseeds, but if I were to venture a guess of general order of magnitude, we're probably talking several tens of thousands of appleseeds, chewed 2-3 at a time, to get a fatal dose.
Apples have typically between 4 and 12 seeds each, with healthier apples tending to have more. Since Applejack is awesome, obviously her apples are healthy and will have lots of seeds. So we'll assume 12. 10,000 / 12 = 833 apples to get 10,000 seeds.
So...a couple thousand apples worth of seeds might be fatal?
*chop*
*split*
*pry*
832 more apples to go.
Post by: adecoy95 on November 06, 2011, 12:34:23 am
Bleh. Dunno what to think about today's episode, really, even after watching it twice and trying to think about it all day. I don't dislike it.... but I don't really like it either. There's nothing really wrong with it but there's nothing really to love either. It just seems... shallow. Flat. Like I'm watching an extremely good episode of the original series.
There wasn't much comedy and the heartwarming fell kinda flat due to feeling like I'm being bludgeoned with it. It would've worked better with some subtlety (facial expressions in season 2 are really over-expressive so far). The conflict just didn't really grab me, so of course the resolution didn't affect me either. Maybe it's because I wasn't really sympathetic to either of them.
It's weird; I don't know how to place it. All the other episodes in MLP I've had at least some strong opinion on (even if it's hate like for lesson zero or feeling pinkie keen). This one just feels incredibly average (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlemlheqr7b3csw).
it was a pretty average episode, but i have to say, that rarity face at the end was a little creepy, and thats awesome. tho perhaps its just in my head and nobody else thought that?
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/adecoy95/creepyeyes.jpg)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 01:05:09 am
Therefore, the only rational conclusion is that Applejack is a former member of Equestria's elite aquatic Special Operations organization, Bay Watch, which has long been at the forefront of the secret war against the terrible threat of the godless pinko Seaponies and their musical weapons of mass destruction.
lolhorsepun
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 06, 2011, 01:23:51 am
Post by: Necro910 on November 06, 2011, 01:27:18 am
I love the internet.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 01:27:34 am
Hey, I hope this gives a certain someone out there an idea for a drawing. Applejack. Wetsuit. Diving. All my money.
Post by: Necro910 on November 06, 2011, 01:51:15 am
If I had any talent, I would have drawn her in a wetsuit with a diving knife. But no-o-o, the natural skill for drawing and painting in the family had to end before me. >:(I CAN DRAW nothing in proper proportion :P
Hey, I hope this gives a certain someone out there an idea for a drawing. Applejack. Wetsuit. Diving. All my money.
Hey guys I took the official pony quiz (http://www.hasbro.com/mylittlepony/en_AU/play/details.cfm?guid=1FF13B50-19B9-F369-1006-8C5C12F9B58F), and I'm...
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Post by: LordBucket on November 06, 2011, 01:52:29 am
Applejack is a former member of Equestria's elite aquatic
Special Operations organization, Bay Watch
I'm to the point where I'm more surprised to discover that something hasn't been ponified than that it has. I found no sign of any MLP/Baywatch crossovers. However, a google image search for "my little pony pamela anderson" did generate the following:
Pony Scissorhands (http://friendster.layoutlocator.com/graphics/dldimg/fa8e70ab87d6ffeb577f2cf428dd90fd_e8c6e8b6c8e67c696bffb19fb7bb2a14.jpg)
Pony Fett (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/SZCXgSfcGWI/AAAAAAAABpw/hqHKSrQlmOs/s400/Pony_BobaFett.jpg)
Pony Cthulhu (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/SZCXgD6opQI/AAAAAAAABpo/XiceDebPpcg/s400/Pony_Cthulhu.jpg)
Elizabeth Hasselbeck with a giant pink pony (http://danasdirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/elisabeth_hasselbeck_grace_my_little_pony_live_42408.jpg)
Four ponies of the Apocalypse (http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/59000/My-Little-Pony-Apocalypse-59468.jpg)
The Joker, pony (http://www.dlisted.com/files/mylittlenightmares1.jpg)
Pony Alien (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/SZCYaQ_b8jI/AAAAAAAABqI/1GjlwWxUZBU/s400/Pony_Alien.jpg)
Pony of fuedal Japan (http://culturepopped.blogspot.com/2011/03/great-my-little-pony-rebellion.html)
He-man and his mighty battlepony (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/SzE9DLJi5LI/AAAAAAAACYQ/SCTxQAp9vb8/s640/SheMan.jpg)
Pony Borg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/SZCXguQve8I/AAAAAAAABp4/xgDq7HCsApU/s400/Pony_Borg.jpg)
Pony Wolverine tattoo (http://www.dlisted.com/files/images/wolverineponytattoo.jpg)
Why google associates these things with Pamela Anderson...we may never know.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 02:01:54 am
Applejack is a former member of Equestria's elite aquatic
Special Operations organization, Bay Watch
I'm to the point where I'm more surprised to discover that something hasn't been ponified than that it has. I found no sign of any MLP/Baywatch crossovers. However, a google image search for "my little pony pamela anderson" did generate the following:
Pony Scissorhands (http://friendster.layoutlocator.com/graphics/dldimg/fa8e70ab87d6ffeb577f2cf428dd90fd_e8c6e8b6c8e67c696bffb19fb7bb2a14.jpg)
Pony Fett (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/SZCXgSfcGWI/AAAAAAAABpw/hqHKSrQlmOs/s400/Pony_BobaFett.jpg)
Pony Cthulhu (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/SZCXgD6opQI/AAAAAAAABpo/XiceDebPpcg/s400/Pony_Cthulhu.jpg)
Elizabeth Hasselbeck with a giant pink pony (http://danasdirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/elisabeth_hasselbeck_grace_my_little_pony_live_42408.jpg)
Four ponies of the Apocalypse (http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/59000/My-Little-Pony-Apocalypse-59468.jpg)
The Joker, pony (http://www.dlisted.com/files/mylittlenightmares1.jpg)
Pony Alien (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/SZCYaQ_b8jI/AAAAAAAABqI/1GjlwWxUZBU/s400/Pony_Alien.jpg)
Pony of fuedal Japan (http://culturepopped.blogspot.com/2011/03/great-my-little-pony-rebellion.html)
He-man and his mighty battlepony (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/SzE9DLJi5LI/AAAAAAAACYQ/SCTxQAp9vb8/s640/SheMan.jpg)
Pony Borg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/SZCXguQve8I/AAAAAAAABp4/xgDq7HCsApU/s400/Pony_Borg.jpg)
Pony Wolverine tattoo (http://www.dlisted.com/files/images/wolverineponytattoo.jpg)
Why google associates these things with Pamela Anderson...we may never know.
I only included that for the pun of it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_(horse)).
I want that Pony of Borg plushie so bad now...
As for the quiz: Rainbow Dash~
Post by: Euld on November 06, 2011, 02:18:31 am
Post by: Necro910 on November 06, 2011, 02:34:22 am
Applejack here :) I am a pretty honest pony. *shifty eyes*
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Post by: Zangi on November 06, 2011, 03:43:29 am
How to extrapolate meaningless interpretations from tiny bits of canon: Applejack was under the surface of the mud pit with no breathing apparatus from 17:50 to 19:42, or approximately 1:52. Ponies are generally assumed to reach about waist-stomach height on an adult human of average height (judging based on fanon interpretation, as well as the respective heights of the children and ponies in previous generations), but have slightly larger chests in comparison to overall body size. For the purposes of this, we can assume that the average pony would have something on the order of 65-85% of the lung capacity of an adult human, but if we account for Earth Pony magically strengthened endurance, it should be roughly equal. Now, the average human is able to hold their breath for 30s-60s while submerged. However, it is possible to train yourself to hold your breath for longer periods of time, particularly if you are in a line of work which requires you to spend substantial lengths of time in and under water. The current record for longest breath held underwater by a human is 18m32.59s by Brazilian Karoline Mariechen Meyer. In other words, Applejack held her breath more than twice as long as the average for a normal pony, despite having no need to do so once the switch had been made. She also somehow managed to detect that the race was over, despite being submerged in mud that was thick enough to provide a sufficiently solid surface for Sweetie Belle to jump across. After emerging from the mud, she displayed no sign of panic or serious O2 deprivation, needing little more than a quick, deep breath before hopping out and trotting over to her friends.Considering it... how long do you figure Rarity stayed down there? Since before everypony showed up to the festival? Its more then likely that the Apple sisters and Rarity set up a little alcove... a comfy one under that mudpit somewhere.
Therefore, the only rational conclusion is that Applejack is a former member of Equestria's elite aquatic Special Operations organization, Bay Watch, which has long been at the forefront of the secret war against the terrible threat of the godless pinko Seaponies and their musical weapons of mass destruction.
lolhorsepun
As for enough oxygen to last a pony for... how many hours? Assuming Rarity got down there as soon as people started to trickle in for the competition thing? Perhaps 3-4 hours at most...
Well, heck if I know how that works.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 06, 2011, 04:00:32 am
Hey, I hope this gives a certain someone out there an idea for a drawing. Applejack. Wetsuit. Diving. All my money.Was that directed at me? If so, I'll, uh, think about it.
Just out of curiosity, exactly how much is "all your money"?
:P
As for Rarity and Applejack staying under that mud for long - well, exactly how often do you think anyone would pay attention to mud? It's not the focus of the race, not to mention not the most eye-pleasing thing to look at. They both could have been coming up for air every minute, or just plain sat there with their mud-covered noses just above the surface, and nobody would so much as notice.
Post by: Necro910 on November 06, 2011, 04:01:51 am
(Must resist elitist joke... MUST RESIST)Hey, I hope this gives a certain someone out there an idea for a drawing. Applejack. Wetsuit. Diving. All my money.Was that directed at me? If so, I'll, uh, think about it.
Just out of curiosity, exactly how much is "all your money"?
:P
Post by: Jimmy on November 06, 2011, 05:56:25 am
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Already looking forward to next episode, I'm predicting it's gonna be good, perhaps the best so far in the season.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 06, 2011, 06:00:13 am
Meh, I'll be content if he uses his writing skills and gives the first part of our fic a thorough editing pass. ;)(Must resist elitist joke... MUST RESIST)Hey, I hope this gives a certain someone out there an idea for a drawing. Applejack. Wetsuit. Diving. All my money.Was that directed at me? If so, I'll, uh, think about it.
Just out of curiosity, exactly how much is "all your money"?
:P
Besides, I can't even begin to think how to color an underwater scene. It's not like I draw diving ponies - or diving anyone - on a daily basis. As such, here, have thee a sketch:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/Appledive.png)
Post by: MC Dirty on November 06, 2011, 06:29:12 am
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Also, Sean, that is all kinds of awesome!
Post by: Dsarker on November 06, 2011, 06:30:15 am
Post by: LordBucket on November 06, 2011, 06:50:30 am
Do we really need the spoiler tags? Has anyone not seen the episode?
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Post by: Dsarker on November 06, 2011, 07:00:09 am
Post by: Virodhi on November 06, 2011, 07:00:40 am
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Agreed exactly.
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Post by: Dsarker on November 06, 2011, 07:04:26 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 06, 2011, 08:50:18 am
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/Appledive_c.png)
Not going to color it, because, as I said, no idea how to and it'll only ruin the image.
I've also realized it makes much more sense for pony scuba gear to have the vents located where a typical pony can actually reach.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 10:13:20 am
-snip-Considering it... how long do you figure Rarity stayed down there? Since before everypony showed up to the festival? Its more then likely that the Apple sisters and Rarity set up a little alcove... a comfy one under that mudpit somewhere.
Therefore, the only rational conclusion is that Applejack is a former member of Equestria's elite aquatic Special Operations organization, Bay Watch, which has long been at the forefront of the secret war against the terrible threat of the godless pinko Seaponies and their musical weapons of mass destruction.
lolhorsepun
As for enough oxygen to last a pony for... how many hours? Assuming Rarity got down there as soon as people started to trickle in for the competition thing? Perhaps 3-4 hours at most...
Well, heck if I know how that works.
Hey, I hope this gives a certain someone out there an idea for a drawing. Applejack. Wetsuit. Diving. All my money.Was that directed at me? If so, I'll, uh, think about it.
Just out of curiosity, exactly how much is "all your money"?
:P
As for Rarity and Applejack staying under that mud for long - well, exactly how often do you think anyone would pay attention to mud? It's not the focus of the race, not to mention not the most eye-pleasing thing to look at. They both could have been coming up for air every minute, or just plain sat there with their mud-covered noses just above the surface, and nobody would so much as notice.
$3.44 :P
I thought we all already knew that Rarity was a professional assassin? Heck, what d'you think Sweetie Belle was really landing on as she hopped across? She isn't Pony Jesus, after all.
Cleaned up:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/Appledive_c.png)
Not going to color it, because, as I said, no idea how to and it'll only ruin the image.
I've also realized it makes much more sense for pony scuba gear to have the vents located where a typical pony can actually reach.
That is awesome! /)^3^(\
I now have a new desktop background.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 06, 2011, 10:20:21 am
I thought we all already knew that Rarity was a professional assassin?Well, we do know she's a Chaotic Evil Rogue (http://friendshipisdragons.thecomicseries.com/).
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 06, 2011, 10:44:35 am
What's the plot synopsis for the next episode, anyway?
Post by: Virodhi on November 06, 2011, 10:53:00 am
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 11:00:31 am
The synopsis is as follows:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Yep. I'm hoping they've gotten on track by the ScootaDash episode, because that is going to be amazingly cute if done right.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 06, 2011, 11:05:51 am
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 11:10:01 am
Well, as a chicken I'm pretty sure she's available as a pet. Don't think you even need a license in the US for one :p
That was pretty much the logic behind it, IIRC. Scootaloo wanting to be RD's pet and all.
Ed: In case someone didn't catch the post on EqD, this is beyond awesome. (http://ganton3.deviantart.com/art/Flash-Twilight-s-Newest-Magic-Trick-267309109)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 06, 2011, 11:49:15 am
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/Appledive_cc.png)
Turned out... well, passable, I suppose. I don't know first thing about underwater scene lighting.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 06, 2011, 11:51:54 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 06, 2011, 12:00:31 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 12:03:09 pm
Going by a suggestion on the GitP art board, made a dark blue wetsuit version:Personally, I've no idea which is better. The original version is a stab at what AJ is diving into in the episode. :)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That is... amazing. You are an awesome artist!
Post by: MC Dirty on November 06, 2011, 12:52:24 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 06, 2011, 01:01:47 pm
Further thoughts about episode 5:
I actually like Rarity's parents. I'd love to seem more of Rarity's relationship with them. I expect it to be tense :)
Lots of people seem to be praising Applejack in this episode, but to me she was just being Applejack as usual. I guess she got some spotlight but I didn't see any character development for her (beyond showing a slightly deeper relationship with Applebloom (
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 06, 2011, 01:04:21 pm
Nifty! You sending this stuff into ED for the drawfriend?...no. What's that?
Post by: kaijyuu on November 06, 2011, 01:07:00 pm
Click the submit button if you want to show your stuff off.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 06, 2011, 01:16:55 pm
Although today's number 14 design (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z6Nn2U_12cE/TrXZX-Zza0I/AAAAAAAAR9E/2-01Rr0VWu4/s1600/bionic_pony_by_rhanite-d4f6ped.png) I can one-up. Meet Rainbow Slash:
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 06, 2011, 01:23:37 pm
Just try it. Preferably before we piss them all off.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 01:49:40 pm
You don't give yourself enough credit. I've seen a lot of stuff worse than your work up there.
Just try it. Preferably before we piss them all off.
+1. That was the same motivation for me to submit my fanfic: there is stuff posted on there that is far worse. Remember, Sturgeon's Revelation is applied at full force to the internet, so chances are good that what any of us come up with will be better than quite a bit of stuff that gets through the EqD filters. Though I would recommend not posting the pictures specifically related to the fic until after the addition, so as not to tip our collective hat. In that vein, I was actually going to ask if you would consider submitting your 'sketches' (read: awesome art) as updates to the story post in the way that some stories have fanart posted, assuming it doesn't get pulled altogether.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 06, 2011, 01:54:30 pm
Just try it. Preferably before we piss them all off.Do you mean because of the horrible, horrible Grimdark fanfic that the twisted minds of this forum have thought up or why do you say that? I doubt that would piss too many people off, really. When the content of your fanfic is worse than "Cupcakes" (which it is, as far as I know), it will probably not get featured on EqD anyway.
Or did it already get featured?
Post by: Fniff on November 06, 2011, 02:08:25 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 06, 2011, 02:12:09 pm
But still, maybe I should submit it to EqD after all... what's the worst thing that could happen? *is struck by meteorite* Ow.
I don't have a whole lot of submittable material though. I got what, just dryad!Fluttershy and Applejack Navy Seal. Everything else is inseparable from the fic.
Hmm, there was that My Little Invasion: Friendship Unknown idea I had... could draw concept art for that.
Post by: dragonshardz on November 06, 2011, 03:22:39 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 06, 2011, 03:26:12 pm
Maybe Dinky's adopted and recently met her blood sister? That'd be neat.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 03:28:25 pm
Couldn't Dinky and Sparkler be half-sisters, with the same father but different mothers?
Well this is certainly better than the alternative.
Post by: Dsarker on November 06, 2011, 03:38:11 pm
= is for Mother.
- is for father
Unknown Mare = Derpy and Sparkler
Derpy = Dinky
Unknown Colt - Dinky and Sparkler (Hopefully not Derpy. Right?
Right?)
Post by: kaijyuu on November 06, 2011, 03:50:12 pm
Maybe Dinky doesn't have an older sister. But she DOES have two mommies (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HasTwoMommies), and still wanted to go.
How? Adoption or magic, take your pick. Also opens the door for Derpy/Sparkler shipping.
Post by: Dsarker on November 06, 2011, 03:52:22 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 06, 2011, 03:56:26 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 06, 2011, 03:59:18 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 06, 2011, 04:00:15 pm
Maybe I'll read it to take away the acrid taste in my mouth as I watch it.
Post by: LordBucket on November 06, 2011, 04:07:18 pm
Lots of people seem to be praising Applejack in this
episode, but to me she was just being Applejack as usual.
Yes, exactly. Characters being their usual selves is cause for shock and praise these days.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 04:25:13 pm
Lots of people seem to be praising Applejack in this
episode, but to me she was just being Applejack as usual.
Yes, exactly. Characters being their usual selves is cause for shock and praise these days.
I've already made this point multiple times: Lesson Zero and onward were written without Lauren Faust. Signs of the writers managing to write the characters properly is cause for praise and hope because it means that the writers are capable of replicating the quality from the team under Faust. We're seeing progress back toward the season 1 norm, and that is a very good thing.
Post by: BowlSoldier on November 06, 2011, 05:01:53 pm
So...wait...Wait, so... Sparkler is half sister to BOTH Dinky, and Derpy? Ewww.....
= is for Mother.
- is for father
Unknown Mare = Derpy and Sparkler
Derpy = Dinky
Unknown Colt - Dinky and Sparkler (Hopefully not Derpy. Right?
Right?)
Wouldn't that mean the unknown colt would have had a child with his daughter's half-sister? You're making this far more complicated than it needs to be.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 06, 2011, 05:03:12 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 05:05:44 pm
In all seriousness, there's nothing saying that they have to be blood sisters. Sweetie and Applejack were able to race together with 0 complaints.
Only because everypony knew Rarity and Applejack would have had to flip a coin to decide who got to break the neck of the first pony to complain.
Post by: Dsarker on November 06, 2011, 05:21:25 pm
But Derpy isn't sisters at all with Dinky.So...wait...Wait, so... Sparkler is half sister to BOTH Dinky, and Derpy? Ewww.....
= is for Mother.
- is for father
Unknown Mare = Derpy and Sparkler
Derpy = Dinky
Unknown Colt - Dinky and Sparkler (Hopefully not Derpy. Right?
Right?)
Wouldn't that mean the unknown colt would have had a child with his daughter's half-sister? You're making this far more complicated than it needs to be.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 06, 2011, 05:35:31 pm
Derpy's parents are unknown.
Unknown colt is father to both Dinky and Sparkler
Derpy is mother to Dinky.
Unknown mare is mother to Sparkler.
Then, Dinky would be Sparkler's half-sister.
The way Dsarker imagined it, Derpy is half-sister to Sparkler and mother to Dinky. However, Dinky is half-sister to Sparkler. So, she's the half-sister to her mother's (Derpy) half-sister (Sparkler). And Derpy's daughter (Dinky) is her half-sister's (Sparkler) half-sister. Meaning that the family tree is very unusual and complicated.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 05:58:30 pm
Nonetheless, the easiest explanation is:
Derpy's parents are unknown.
Unknown colt is father to both Dinky and Sparkler
Derpy is mother to Dinky.
Unknown mare is mother to Sparkler.
Then, Dinky would be Sparkler's half-sister.
The way Dsarker imagined it, Derpy is half-sister to Sparkler and mother to Dinky. However, Dinky is half-sister to Sparkler. So, she's the half-sister to her mother's (Derpy) half-sister (Sparkler). And Derpy's daughter (Dinky) is her half-sister's (Sparkler) half-sister. Meaning that the family tree is very unusual and complicated.
Simplest = best, correct?
Ergo, Derpy got around a lot when she was much younger.
Post by: dragonshardz on November 06, 2011, 06:11:08 pm
So...wait...
= is for Mother.
- is for father
Unknown Mare = Derpy and Sparkler
Derpy = Dinky
Unknown Colt - Dinky and Sparkler (Hopefully not Derpy. Right?
Right?)
Not quite.
Derpy + Dinky's Father = Dinky
Unknown Mare + Dinky's Father = Sparkler
Post by: MC Dirty on November 06, 2011, 06:25:01 pm
Derpy + Dinky's Father = DinkyWhich is exactly what I said and in my opinion makes the most sense since Derpy doesn't look any older than Sparkler, so it's very unlikely that she's Sparkler's mother.
Unknown Mare + Dinky's Father = Sparkler
Post by: Dsarker on November 06, 2011, 06:27:49 pm
So...wait...
= is for Mother.
- is for father
Unknown Mare = Derpy and Sparkler
Derpy = Dinky
Unknown Colt - Dinky and Sparkler (Hopefully not Derpy. Right?
Right?)
Not quite.
Derpy + Dinky's Father = Dinky
Unknown Mare + Dinky's Father = Sparkler
Ah, finished watching it. I get what the meaning is now.
I don't understand why it is necessary now, but okay.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 06:47:26 pm
"Can I have more muffins, Derpy-mama?" :3
Post by: Jimmy on November 07, 2011, 04:52:36 am
Do we really need the spoiler tags? Has anyone not seen the episode?
I consider it a courtesy to any who may not yet have viewed the latest episode. I know my life is sometimes extremely busy and I find little chance to devote a full half hour to watching Youtube. A quick check on the forums to read one of my favorite threads however is within my time limits. I know I've had some episodes spoiled for me, and I figure the effort on my part to add tags to my post and click open others messages is worth the off chance I prevent reducing someone's enjoyment of a new episode.
As for replying to the rest of your post, others seem to have done that for me, but I wouldn't want it to appear I'm ignoring your points, and they are quite valid. However I'm not going to build a quote pyramid with them (I despise those) so find my response after the break.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dsarker on November 07, 2011, 06:02:15 am
Spoiler: For all you Rarity lovers. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jimmy on November 07, 2011, 07:46:36 am
Dat flank. Dat Plot.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 09:19:43 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 07, 2011, 09:20:29 am
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/RainbowSlash_Rev_col.png)
I'm really not sure what to draw next. Anyone have any cool ideas?
Post by: Dsarker on November 07, 2011, 09:21:46 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 09:26:33 am
Hmm...yeah, draw the OCs where we can get a better view of them. We'll be able to nitpick exactly how we want them to look.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 09:38:21 am
Spoiler: Y u so creepy Spike? (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 07, 2011, 09:39:56 am
And unless something holds you up, don't expect these to be complete in time for Phase 3. My maximum rate seems to be one image per day.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 09:47:49 am
http://images.wikia.com/mlp/images/7/70/Sugarcubecorner.png
It should help.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 10:24:51 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 10:41:33 am
Dsarker posts a creepy pic. I say it's not fazing me in the slightest.
He posts more creepy pics as I continue to say they aren't fazing me (with some help from others).
I say something about the static images not being powerful enough and that another medium might work better.
At that point, some fanfics come into mention.
Then Dsarker mentions the idea of taking a really sweet fic and swapping it with a horrific gore fic.
Crazy Cow gives his approval and I make the suggestion of torturing Angel in front of her.
Crazy then says it should be a community project.
And so the project began.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 07, 2011, 10:51:20 am
Other than that, you could try looking through the Google Cache or something similar. I doubt anyone kept a transcript.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 10:56:16 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 11:14:41 am
Post by: Necro910 on November 07, 2011, 11:17:24 am
And heeeere we go?ADVENTUREEEEE
Post by: Armok on November 07, 2011, 12:34:27 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 07, 2011, 12:39:59 pm
I'll see what I can do though. :evilsmirk:
Post by: kaijyuu on November 07, 2011, 01:13:10 pm
Post by: Armok on November 07, 2011, 01:31:46 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 07, 2011, 01:38:10 pm
Possibly useful:That's actually pretty useful, thanks. *saves, throws out old chart*Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I can't help but marvel at the artists doing these things though. I'm repeating myself here, but - All that effort, and still, "Caunterlot". Does it take so much time to proofread what you post?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 02:45:06 pm
At least, that's what I envisioned when I was revising it to be a pony. If there's anything else you need interpreted.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 06:27:04 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh RD, you so crazy. Now I want to know what happened prior to this.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 07, 2011, 07:30:58 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 07:46:24 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 07, 2011, 07:49:54 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 07:57:24 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 07, 2011, 08:00:21 pm
Fluttershy got sent to prison for killing her entire family during a blackout. Specifically, a prison on an island that has a very colorful history. However, just after being transported to her cell, an earthquake happened and symbolic creatures based on the Island's history start killing both the guards and the prisoners. She is haunted by three ghosts. A doctor who formerly owned an insane aslyum where he experimented a little bit too much on the prisoners, a prisoner who murdered his wife during a visit and was sent to the electric chair, and an executor who was so interested in the executees that he killed himself using his own methods just to figure out how they felt.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 08:06:46 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 07, 2011, 08:13:20 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 08:20:11 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 07, 2011, 08:21:57 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 07, 2011, 08:23:46 pm
Nah, she's actually as psychotic as you. In fact, moreso. Christ, she sent me the scripts for some of the more "Darker" episodes she had in mind. I cried several times. And vomited. Apparently, the Return of Harmony was meant to have Discord being a Green-eyed humanoid who caused corruption and plague around him, and it was meant to be the entire second season to be showing just how decayed Equestria slowly becomes and how utterly psychotic the Mane Six have become trying to murder Discord. It was meant to end with the entire mane six dying but just after Twilight uses the remnants of her power to create a new universe, or at least the seed of one. Bam, end of show. They vetoed it, apparently.(http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/000/151/n725075089_288918_2774.jpg)
No, seriously, what the hell am I reading? Either she's a masterful troll or insane. Or both. Or you're just making that up.
Post by: Fniff on November 07, 2011, 08:24:42 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 08:25:14 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 07, 2011, 08:30:36 pm
But I can totally imagine her making up an incredibly sick and wrong episode just for the lulz.
Lauren Faust:
(http://www.heaven-gaming.de/inc/images/smileys/trollface.gif) HAI, GUIZE, I've got this great idea for an episode!
Rest of the team:
(http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/configuration/25991187/type/png/width/42/height/42)
Lauren Faust:
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/096/044/trollface.jpg?1296494117)
Post by: Fniff on November 07, 2011, 08:34:08 pm
Harmony Reunited would be better if Discord was an alien yet familiar, horrific disease spreading abomination and mane cast didn't have to look out for losing themselves, they'd be looking out for whether or not they are becoming just as bad as Discord in their attempts to kill him.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 08:34:21 pm
It would be pretty cool if they had some free time to make some kind of sick, disturbing episode as a joke, and then someone was kind enough to 'leak' the episode to the brony community, I'll say that much.
Post by: Fniff on November 07, 2011, 08:35:31 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 08:43:45 pm
Cue getting banned for writing all this.
Post by: Dsarker on November 07, 2011, 08:45:13 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 07, 2011, 08:47:19 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 07, 2011, 08:47:46 pm
Cue getting banned for writing all this.Inb4 The Most Evil Dwarf
...
WOOP WOOP!
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 07, 2011, 08:48:52 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 08:49:05 pm
Honestly, I think that if they did something messed up, it would either be something mildly gory or maybe lightly pornographic. I think my description is probably the kind of stuff they'd only do if they were held at gunpoint.
And even then, they'd probably have a really hard time doing it.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 07, 2011, 08:50:42 pm
Good to know that I have the creative genius to write stuff that could break entire movements.I don't know if I should congratulate you or run away screaming in terror.
Post by: Fniff on November 07, 2011, 08:51:04 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 08:54:54 pm
Infamy, bitches.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 07, 2011, 08:57:18 pm
I always thought there was something wrong with me in the head. Now I have proof. And it's about to be posted for all the world to see.You should probably wait with that until after THE STORY THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED gets posted or it will spoil the surprise.
Infamy, bitches.
Post by: Fniff on November 07, 2011, 08:58:40 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 07, 2011, 09:02:41 pm
As for the [REDACTED], that's [REDACTED].
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 10:05:28 pm
Post by: LordBucket on November 07, 2011, 10:43:21 pm
Best Night Ever (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/11/story-best-night-ever.html)
Prince Blueblood is Bill Murray from Groundhog Day. Contrary to the tag, it does appear to be complete.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 10:57:56 pm
Best ponyfic I've read in the past week:
Best Night Ever (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/11/story-best-night-ever.html)
Prince Blueblood is Bill Murray from Groundhog Day. Contrary to the tag, it does appear to be complete.
Curse you and your reminder...ing of all the fanfics I need to read! :P
By the time I get to that level in the massive folder in my favorites, it'll be somewhere around January.
Post by: The Master on November 08, 2011, 12:23:26 am
Derpy finds your lack of faith...disturbing.
Post by: The Master on November 08, 2011, 12:40:22 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: LordBucket on November 08, 2011, 01:07:22 am
Luna and Rainbow Dash arm in arm wearing winter wrap up vests with a shared dialogue bubble saying "Now with 240% the fun!"
Post by: dragonshardz on November 08, 2011, 02:31:10 am
LOL PAEG SIXTY-NIEN LOL LOL LOL
That is all.
In other news, Luna X Big M: The Reboot is go on the TwitterPonies feed!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 08, 2011, 02:49:19 am
-snip-I managed to completely miss this description the first time. Must've been a subconscious reflex from reading TBP's parts of the fic.
Cue getting banned for writing all this.
Anyway, yeah, that sort of thing might get you banned from the fandom, and everywhere it even partially resides. FOREVEEEEEER.
On the other hand, there's already stuff like the Sweet Apple Massacre around, so perhaps not.
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 04:01:28 am
-snip for nonbannedness when someone reports it-I managed to completely miss this description the first time. Must've been a subconscious reflex from reading TBP's parts of the fic.
Anyway, yeah, that sort of thing might get you banned from the fandom, and everywhere it even partially resides. FOREVEEEEEER.
On the other hand, there's already stuff like the Sweet Apple Massacre around, so perhaps not.
That's what he was thinking would happen if Studio B made a troll episode.
Anyway.
The show has several 'pairings', by which I mean two who bounce off each other. Not shipping.
Rarity pairs off with Applejack.
Fluttershy with Rarity
Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy
Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie
Pinkie Pie and Applejack
Twilight doesn't bounce off anyone in particular.
So, new mind canon.
Twilight is a person suffering from both hallucinations and multiple personality disorder. Each of the five others represents one of her personalities, and her difficulty integrating them. Spike is her psychiatrist, who she believes is in love with her. Celestia is her guardian/caretaker.
Post by: Zangi on November 08, 2011, 04:04:02 am
You'll always have a place here... no matter how broken...It would probably show the girls doing extremely disturbing stuff. Twilight would be snorting meth or popping pills so she could continue studying despite her tiredness, and then start hallucinating from sleep deprivation. Fluttershy would be walking through the forest and then get raped by (or submit to) some wild, horny animal. Rarity would take Spike into her bedroom for some extremely harsh BDSM and possibly blood play. RD would molest Scootaloo, who would very happily submit. Applejack would teach Applebloom how babies are made by having Big Macintosh demonstrate on both of them. Finally, Pinkie Pie would probably be slowly chopping up the Cakes in front of one another for trying to evict her.I managed to completely miss this description the first time. Must've been a subconscious reflex from reading TBP's parts of the fic.
Cue getting banned for writing all this.
Anyway, yeah, that sort of thing might get you banned from the fandom, and everywhere it even partially resides. FOREVEEEEEER.
On the other hand, there's already stuff like the Sweet Apple Massacre around, so perhaps not.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 08, 2011, 04:25:42 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And, for the record, I'm not whining. I'm complaining. :P
Post by: Jimmy on November 08, 2011, 04:53:00 am
Best ponyfic I've read in the past week:Funny you should link that, I read that the other night and found it quite good too. The author's note at the start regarding his/her approach to character development really showed the thought put into the story, and the story itself was worthy of the six star it received on EqD. It's not a long fic, so if any haven't read it I'd suggest spending an evening with the story.
Best Night Ever (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/11/story-best-night-ever.html)
Prince Blueblood is Bill Murray from Groundhog Day. Contrary to the tag, it does appear to be complete.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 08, 2011, 06:16:50 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm kinda wondering, do I keep posting here or switch over to the TGF thread? It's not like there's a lot happening here, and it's still pony-related... although it might get classed as imagespam...
Post by: Jimmy on November 08, 2011, 06:45:48 am
Personally I find the figures too stiff though. You've drawn them sticking both legs out in front like Superman. Horses look most animated when their legs are at different lengths to each other.
For reference:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Note that each leg is a different length to the others. This gives the impression of a gallop, a natural movement for horses to create speed.
Now, on another note:
A Cup of Joe (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/10/story-cup-of-joe.html)
B'aawww fic. Well deserving of its 6 star. Only 3 chapters. Go read.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 08, 2011, 07:06:36 am
Also, while that image looks great, I can't get over how RD's face looks from that angle. XD
I mean, I'm sure it's correct and all, especially given the eye size ponies usually display, but... it really looks like she has the muzzle growing out of her forehead. It's missing a few lines, or little shaded areas to show what is where.
Post by: Jimmy on November 08, 2011, 07:23:03 am
I noted that you're also attempting non-standard poses for your pegusai/pegasuses/pegasus ponies (confound you pluralization, you drive me to distraction!) so I thought I'd reference something more interesting than stock standard.
So in the theme of providing reference materiel and completely not out of a desire to spam this thread with pony images, have some poses after the break.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hopefully that gives you something to work with.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 08, 2011, 08:21:00 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Personally, I find the notion of pegasi (that's one of the proper plurals) running while flying quite outlandish. I mean, they're flying for godsakes. It's especially jarring with the pegasi-carriage shown in the series pilot (carrying Twilight to Ponyville). Not only are the two pegasi guards running (at a gallop, no less), but the carriage's wheels are spinning. In the air. Seriously, what the?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 08, 2011, 08:21:59 am
Personally, I find the notion of pegasi (that's one of the proper plurals) running while flying quite outlandish. I mean, they're flying for godsakes. It's especially jarring with the pegasi-carriage shown in the series pilot (carrying Twilight to Ponyville). Not only are the two pegasi guards running (at a gallop, no less), but the carriage's wheels are spinning. In the air. Seriously, what the?
Magic.
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 08:42:12 am
Personally, I find the notion of pegasi (that's one of the proper plurals) running while flying quite outlandish. I mean, they're flying for godsakes. It's especially jarring with the pegasi-carriage shown in the series pilot (carrying Twilight to Ponyville). Not only are the two pegasi guards running (at a gallop, no less), but the carriage's wheels are spinning. In the air. Seriously, what the?
Magic.
Carriage wheel spin is caused by the rushing past of air. The running at a gallop is the pegasi equivalent of deploying landing gear so as to prevent losing control and causing an accident.
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 08:44:44 am
Spoiler: School of Athens plus Mane 6 (click to show/hide)
It's a where's wally game, only with the ponies. I've found Fluttershy, Rarity, and Rainbow Dash, but not the others. They are apparently there, though.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 08, 2011, 09:05:27 am
Post by: Knirisk on November 08, 2011, 09:59:59 am
I found everyone but Pinkie. She's a goshdarn ninja! Can't see 'er anywhere.
Same here. Normally, you'd think she'd be one of the easiest, considering she's PINK.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 08, 2011, 10:25:09 am
Fixed that for ya.Personally, I find the notion of pegasi (that's one of the proper plurals) running while flying quite outlandish. I mean, they're flying for godsakes. It's especially jarring with the pegasi-carriage shown in the series pilot (carrying Twilight to Ponyville). Not only are the two pegasi guards running (at a gallop, no less), but the carriage's wheels are spinning. In the air. Seriously, what the?
Magic. *snort* *snort* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSf9aEETnvE)
Leave it to me to internet-memefy your day. I am, after all, the Minister of Overused Memes.
Post by: alexwazer on November 08, 2011, 10:27:52 am
Even when you know where to find her, she's still hard to see. And she isn't pink here :P
Spoiler: If you want to know where she is... (click to show/hide)
Post by: MC Dirty on November 08, 2011, 10:32:04 am
Edit: Oh hey, found Rarity. Still don't see Pinkie or Fluttershy, though.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 08, 2011, 10:32:40 am
ninja edit: yeah, I suspected as much. It's actually too small, even at this resolution. You'll never guess it's her even if you stare straight at her.
In the meantime, leaving the Urist-Dash scene as a sketch. Now experimenting with expressions, with Starkey and Applejack:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 08, 2011, 10:58:31 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Now why am I doing this and not something productive?
Post by: Necro910 on November 08, 2011, 11:08:35 am
I found everyone but Fluttershy.This is Bay12.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Now why am I doing this and not something productive?
We murder dwarves, watch ponies, and flay elves.
Post by: Impending Doom on November 08, 2011, 11:31:06 am
Well, considering how they hid AJ... I wouldn't be surprised if they hid her somewhere in the ceiling tiles. But I looked everywhere, there included. No dice.
ninja edit: yeah, I suspected as much. It's actually too small, even at this resolution. You'll never guess it's her even if you stare straight at her.
In the meantime, leaving the Urist-Dash scene as a sketch. Now experimenting with expressions, with Starkey and Applejack:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
"What? It's just only a deadly weapon."
This story has gotten me thinking way too much about how pony weapons work.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Necro910 on November 08, 2011, 12:04:10 pm
As do I.Well, considering how they hid AJ... I wouldn't be surprised if they hid her somewhere in the ceiling tiles. But I looked everywhere, there included. No dice.
ninja edit: yeah, I suspected as much. It's actually too small, even at this resolution. You'll never guess it's her even if you stare straight at her.
In the meantime, leaving the Urist-Dash scene as a sketch. Now experimenting with expressions, with Starkey and Applejack:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
"What? It's just only a deadly weapon."
This story has gotten me thinking way too much about how pony weapons work.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The crossbow probably is not like humanoid ones. It is most likely similar to a reign, with the trigger inside the ponies mouth. The mechanisms would be on the sides, along with the string. The string would wrap around the front corners, and the bolt could be either loaded into some kind of chamber in the front, or the crossbow could hold 2 bolts at once, and have one on each side.
Yes, I just applied logic to a pony fired crossbow.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 08, 2011, 12:10:30 pm
If I weren't in school, I'd probably draw a diagram.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 08, 2011, 12:21:11 pm
But since we already have one, I think the crossbow would be quite like the human ones (if only because there's only so far you can deviate before it stops being a "crossbow"). It'd have a loading lever extending out front, so that the string can be drawn by just stomping the hoof down. The bolts would either be held in simple magazines, each next bolt fed into the slot by the same action that draws the string, or inserted by magic or mouth (since pony forelegs appear quite flexible) from a quiver on the opposing foreleg. The trigger can be a long rod, slightly sideways from the crossbow body, so as to be pushable by either the opposing foreleg or, in more precise aiming mode, the nose.
Yeah, I'll redraw it, a bit later. Right now I'm more interested in whether or not I managed to communicate the expressions right. I was considering a slightly different angle for AJ, but what I got is as good as I could make.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 08, 2011, 01:18:23 pm
Earth pony models are heavier, and held and fired with a half-moon shaped handle in the mouth, which has a pressure-trigger similar to the levers used in human crossbows. These can use either a similar crank, or an inline pulling handle to draw the string.
Unicorns don't need bows. See: the latest chapter of my fic. Not the best, particularly in terms of the second half, but you see why they don't. Incidentally, unicorns don't need a grip on their blades, so I design them as blades with a 4-directional guard and a large metal spike beneath that that acts as a counterweight to maintain proper balance. Also, a sack full of razor blades with a unicorn is like an automatic shotgun loaded with flechette rounds.
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 04:29:36 pm
Damn, it is easier when you compare it to the original.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 08, 2011, 04:45:53 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 08, 2011, 04:49:28 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 05:03:16 pm
Braeburn: "I want every mare and strong colt able to bear arms, to be ready for battle by nightfall."
Braeburn: "We will cover the causeway and the gate from above. No army has ever breached the deeping wall or set foot inside the Hornburg."
Rainbow Dash: "This is no rabble of mindless zebras. These are the buffaloes. Their armor is thick and their shields broad."
Braeburn: "I have fought many wars, Miss Pegasus. I know how to defend my own keep."
Braeburn: "They will break upon this fortress like water on rock. Thunderhooves' hordes will pillage and burn, we've seen it before. Crops can be resown. Homes rebuilt. Within these walls, we will outlast them."
Twilight Sparkle: "They do not come to destroy Appleloosa's crops or homes. They come to destroy its people. Down to the last foal!"
Braeburn: "What would you have me do? Look at my men. Their courage hangs by a thread. If this is to be our end, then I would have them make such an end as to be worthy of remembrance!"
Twilight Sparkle: "Send out messengers, my lord. You must call for aid."
Braeburn: "And who will come. Pegasi? Unicorns? We are not so lucky in our friends as you. The old alliances are dead."
Twilight Sparkle: "Celestia will answer."
Braeburn: "Celestia? Where was Celestia when the trains were raided? Where was Celestia when our enemies closed in around us!?
Braeburn: "Where was Cel — No, my Lady Twilight, we are alone."
Post by: Flying Dice on November 08, 2011, 05:25:55 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on November 08, 2011, 05:30:44 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 08, 2011, 05:36:25 pm
Maybe I just want to see Applejack duke it out with Colonel Miles Quaritch. That would be awesome.
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 05:42:49 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 08, 2011, 05:46:41 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 06:08:18 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 08, 2011, 06:13:14 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 06:22:32 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 08, 2011, 06:23:18 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 08, 2011, 06:23:56 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 06:24:57 pm
Also, it's strange. I think most people who like ponies also like 40k.
Post by: Fniff on November 08, 2011, 06:26:28 pm
It is kinda odd, but considering the sheer amount of dark crossovers with other fiction, it's kinda odd how such a cute show can inspire such... Well, out of place writ-- HEY! Borderlands/MLP! MUST BE DONE NOW
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 06:28:29 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 08, 2011, 06:29:37 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 06:30:29 pm
"Dammit, sis, you can't force apples on ponies like it were a marriage or something."
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 08, 2011, 06:31:06 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 06:32:38 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 08, 2011, 06:33:38 pm
The more cute and innocent it is, the funner it is to corrupt.
TBP, I think that's your motto. You should use that in your signature. Who cares if it isn't a word. Please do it.
Post by: Dsarker on November 08, 2011, 06:36:02 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 08, 2011, 06:45:42 pm
Post by: Zaerosz on November 08, 2011, 07:10:31 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 08, 2011, 07:14:03 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 08, 2011, 07:43:11 pm
Everything is warhammer and ponies to you people :PWhich is why I fucking love this forum.
EPIC BROHOOF!
Yes, I'm drunk, why do you ask?
Post by: Zaerosz on November 08, 2011, 08:54:44 pm
Post by: Lumbajak on November 08, 2011, 11:06:40 pm
I probably would have been far more merciless.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 08, 2011, 11:15:14 pm
Hilarious nonetheless :p
Post by: Zaerosz on November 09, 2011, 12:14:57 am
Cherrilee and Rarity were in the same class at school, or at least at school at the same time, as seen in s1e23. Sweetie Belle is roughly the same age as Applebloom, who Cherrilee teaches. What is the age difference between Rarity and Sweetie Belle?
EDIT: also considering a sort of "X years later" thing following a journalist/novelist from Canterlot travelling around Equestria and winding up in Ponyville. It'd probably mainly be gratuitous headcanon fulfillment, fanfic references and fandom shoutouts, but I think it could be fun.
Post by: Jay on November 09, 2011, 12:33:34 am
Spoiler: The Many Personas of Sweetie Belle (click to show/hide)
I've also had great fun in going back and finding hilarious things having to do with the background ponies.
The elephant in the new-introduction-room: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2941534/Ponies/NewIntroWut.jpg
A couple from Fall Weather Friends-
Bon Bon watches Bon Bon? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2941534/Ponies/WAITWHAT.jpg
Dem clones. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2941534/Ponies/Waitwhatx4.jpg
Post by: tagg on November 09, 2011, 12:48:43 am
Confound these ponies, they drive me to having emotions.
And because I don't want to imagespan without reason: other pony things that made you cry? I seem to find it strangely cathartic. Feels good to feel.
Post by: LordBucket on November 09, 2011, 12:59:25 am
Confound these ponies, they drive me to having emotions.
other pony things that made you cry? I seem to find it strangely cathartic. Feels good to feel.
I watch ponies for happies, not sads. Call it an aesthetic choice, but I much prefer heartwarming to tears.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 09, 2011, 01:03:03 am
Anyone else remember Star Trek: Generations? Data's reaction to a drink? Same thing.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 01:31:05 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 09, 2011, 01:42:52 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 01:59:39 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 09, 2011, 02:25:17 am
"They left after Season 2 was written. It was a little ugly."
Post by: Euld on November 09, 2011, 02:32:15 am
What does he mean when he says 'chip'?He means Data's "emotion chip." Data is normally an emotionless android with the desire to "be more human." He got his emotion chip from his creator later on but rarely used it because he couldn't handle the rush of emotions from it. In Star Trek Generations, he puts it in for good. And hilarity ensues.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 02:43:40 am
Time for panic? (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/11/more-season-three-information.html)
"They left after Season 2 was written. It was a little ugly."
Time for panic at season 3. They (which I'm presuming means Rob and Lauren) were apparently involved in writing EVERY script for season 2.
What does he mean when he says 'chip'?He means Data's "emotion chip." Data is normally an emotionless android with the desire to "be more human." He got his emotion chip from his creator later on but rarely used it because he couldn't handle the rush of emotions from it. In Star Trek Generations, he puts it in for good. And hilarity ensues.
Oh, okay. Makes much more sense now.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 09, 2011, 02:51:43 am
The quote was panic about LF no longer even approving new scripts for season 3+.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 02:52:17 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 09, 2011, 04:59:47 am
...
Oh god a Simpsons/MLP crossover...
Anyway, I'm still tinkering with those two scenes.
Some shading and minor fixes on the Urist/RD one:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/FiN_Urist_Dash_v2_06.jpg)
Some detail changes and a crossbow redesign for the Starkey/AJ one:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/FiN_Starkey_AJ_02.jpg)
I even found a use for those decorative rings of Starkey's. If they're fixed to the crossbow on a pivot, they could be used for aiming, aligning the bumps on the two rings with the target and using own discretion for bolt drop compensation. This means that in firing position, the crossbow ends up being held "reverse gangsta style".
Post by: Jimmy on November 09, 2011, 05:15:09 am
Our fanon both involve socks.
Okay. So I just read that Blueblood Groundhog Day Loop story. I can feel the tears coming. That was absolutely glorious. Time loop stories are among my favourites, and that was absolutely magnificent.
I definitely suggest the Fanfic I linked earlier if you enjoy getting your emotions sucker-punched. A worthy read.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 06:03:03 am
Best part about DF/MLP crossover?
Our fanon both involve socks.Okay. So I just read that Blueblood Groundhog Day Loop story. I can feel the tears coming. That was absolutely glorious. Time loop stories are among my favourites, and that was absolutely magnificent.
I definitely suggest the Fanfic I linked earlier if you enjoy getting your emotions sucker-punched. A worthy read.
For some reason it reminds me of the movie Charlie St Cloud.
It isn't a b'awwwww fic, neither. It's heartwarming.
Post by: Telgin on November 09, 2011, 10:57:04 am
Time for panic? (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/11/more-season-three-information.html)
"They left after Season 2 was written. It was a little ugly."
I'm a little worried after reading that. I'm not worried that they're going to cancel the show (although they well might, some companies don't give a crap even if a cartoon is doing well).
I'm worried about the quality of the episodes. It's funny, reading on Equestria Daily, it seems that most fans think that season 2 is better than season 1. Most people here disagree. I'm not sure what to think, since I've seen so little of the first season.
I'll admit that I was worried about the show after I read that Lauren Faust left, if for no reason other than it would surely change. I hadn't even watched any of it by that point, but I knew I was going to like it when I did. And I did, and I knew that if it changed from something all of these fans liked it would probably only change for the worse.
At least most fans seem to think season 2 is great. I still think it's better than most crap on TV these days, even if I can't fairly weigh it against season 1. But if they change writers again, who knows what might happen.
I feel pretty strange caring this much about the fairly distant future of a cartoon that I've watched all of 8 episodes of. Curse you ponies...
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 12:42:54 pm
Time for panic? (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/11/more-season-three-information.html)
"They left after Season 2 was written. It was a little ugly."
I'm a little worried after reading that. I'm not worried that they're going to cancel the show (although they well might, some companies don't give a crap even if a cartoon is doing well).
I'm worried about the quality of the episodes. It's funny, reading on Equestria Daily, it seems that most fans think that season 2 is better than season 1. Most people here disagree. I'm not sure what to think, since I've seen so little of the first season.
I'll admit that I was worried about the show after I read that Lauren Faust left, if for no reason other than it would surely change. I hadn't even watched any of it by that point, but I knew I was going to like it when I did. And I did, and I knew that if it changed from something all of these fans liked it would probably only change for the worse.
At least most fans seem to think season 2 is great. I still think it's better than most crap on TV these days, even if I can't fairly weigh it against season 1. But if they change writers again, who knows what might happen.
I feel pretty strange caring this much about the fairly distant future of a cartoon that I've watched all of 8 episodes of. Curse you ponies...
+1
My own response:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
On the other hand, I think the fandom has enough inertia and creative talent to keep going by itself even if the show is cancelled/falls into the pit of mediocrity.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 09, 2011, 12:48:18 pm
I'd personally probably bitch, whine and moan enough at Hasbro to get called a terrorist or something so they could get rid of me. That or start work on the transdimensional portal system so I could go and live in Equestria. Something tells me if I did that, Equestria's human population would grow pretty rapidly, though.
Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 12:50:43 pm
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if someone took up the mantle.Only let a few Bay12ers in :P
I'd personally probably bitch, whine and moan enough at Hasbro to get called a terrorist or something so they could get rid of me. That or start work on the transdimensional portal system so I could go and live in Equestria. Something tells me if I did that, Equestria's human population would grow pretty rapidly, though.
Sociopaths in a happy pony utopia: What could go wrong?
Post by: Fniff on November 09, 2011, 12:54:37 pm
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if someone took up the mantle.
I'd personally probably bitch, whine and moan enough at Hasbro to get called a terrorist or something so they could get rid of me. That or start work on the transdimensional portal system so I could go and live in Equestria. Something tells me if I did that, Equestria's human population would grow pretty rapidly, though.
The biggest problem would be the natural segregation and extreme racism that would insure. Plus, who is saying Equestria is the only country? There could be another completely psychotic country with lots of highly advanced technology and a real hate for anything standing on two legs. For some reason. And who is saying the transdimensional portal system won't go wrong and you'll end up teleporting a whole platoon of nazis, the majority of Genghis Khan's forces and a group of British soldiers from the Somme into Equestria? That'd lead to one hell of a want for a nail, leading to Equestria mostly being ponies either under the Third Reich, Genghis Khan, England or the scattered forces of Celestia? That wouldn't be a nice place to live. I'll stay right here until it has been proven safe, thank you very much.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 09, 2011, 12:55:12 pm
edit: also, update on one of the sketches:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/FiN_Starkey_AJ_05.jpg)
Post by: Telgin on November 09, 2011, 01:01:43 pm
On the other hand, I think the fandom has enough inertia and creative talent to keep going by itself even if the show is cancelled/falls into the pit of mediocrity.
While I suspect that you're right here, it's not very comforting. :(
As my avatar probably gives away, I'm a big fan of the old Sonic the Hedgehog cartoon (commonly called SatAM). The community has produced a lot of pretty cool stuff, and continues to do so many, many years after the show's untimely demise. It's just not the same as new official material, and never could be. But, since it's pretty apparent at this point that we will never see anything official related to it ever again, it'll have to do I suppose.
Guess I'll have to be content in the thought that Hasbro can take ponies off the TV or drag them through the mud, but they can't take ponies back from the fans.
Ah well, I am getting a bit ahead of myself here. I'm a pessimist in the best of times, but perhaps this is jumping the gun just a bit. It's unlikely, but not impossible that by the end of season 2 it will have turned out to be better than season 1. And season 3 could turn out to be better than both. We just don't know yet.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 09, 2011, 01:09:36 pm
Makes me want to invent a time-axis quantum variability datalink machine, to find a universe where MLP:FiM went on for some fifty seasons, and download everything... but I still haven't even completed the powerplant prototype. *sigh*
Post by: Telgin on November 09, 2011, 01:19:21 pm
I'd have preferred at least a full 4 seasons, but we can't always get what we want.
In the end, if the quality is going to suffer, I'm siding with the camp that it's best to kill it off instead of letting it just drag on. I used to think that I'd never get tired of Spongebob, but the last few years have really started to make me question that...
I don't want MLP:FiM to turn into shallow mechanical plots. An even better example than Spongebob would be the Fairly Odd Parents. In the last few seasons, I could all but literally write out an entire new episode I was going to watch based on what happened in the first 90 seconds.
Post by: Fniff on November 09, 2011, 01:22:30 pm
Now I am really motivated to get on the writing team and start running the series into the ground. I SHALL MAKE THE DARKEST EPISODES EVAAAR
Right, first shall be the adaption of Pathologic. Then it's going to be The Suffering. Next, Cryostasis. Then I shall make an episode where we find that Pinkie is actually looking at something completely different then us... It'll totally ruin the series and get it banned everywhere, but goddamn would be an epic finale.
Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 01:27:24 pm
Right.Me and the 'bold are way ahead of ya!
Now I am really motivated to get on the writing team and start running the series into the ground. I SHALL MAKE THE DARKEST EPISODES EVAAAR
Right, first shall be the adaption of Pathologic. Then it's going to be The Suffering. Next, Cryostasis. Then I shall make an episode where we find that Pinkie is actually looking at something completely different then us... It'll totally ruin the series and get it banned everywhere, but goddamn would be an epic finale.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fniff on November 09, 2011, 01:31:55 pm
Your ponies are used to having a terrible time of it... However, I shall MAKE THE MANE CAST AS TRUE TO THEIR CHARACTERS AS POOOOOOOOOOOOSIBLE! Every horrible thing, every death, every monstrous being.... THEY SHALL REACT WITH THEIR NORMAL PERSONALITY!
Post by: Zangi on November 09, 2011, 01:35:00 pm
*snip*And who is saying the transdimensional portal system won't go wrong and you'll end up teleporting a whole platoon of nazis, the majority of Genghis Khan's forces and a group of British soldiers from the Somme into Equestria? That'd lead to one hell of a want for a nail, leading to Equestria mostly being ponies either under the Third Reich, Genghis Khan, England or the scattered forces of Celestia? That wouldn't be a nice place to live. I'll stay right here until it has been proven safe, thank you very much.The mongols would use ponies as epic mounts, at first, trying to capture and train them like horses, then breeding em with horses they brought from back home to try to get bigger ponies. Sooner or later, they'll learn that ponies are intelligent, but, having the perceived upper hand, they would be very resistant to changing how things are from the top-down.
By that time, ponies will be 'tainted' by the fighting and such they had to do to defend themselves from the Mongols and as their mounts... as the Mongols, roam Equestria and beyond, exploring this new world, not knowing what to think of all the 'peaceful' beast people they encounter.
But, seeing as how Genghis Khan united the Mongol horde for a common cause... there may be fractures to the alliance, with no perceived threat other then a relatively new and peaceful land of plenty...
Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 01:40:04 pm
Pssh.
Your ponies are used to having a terrible time of it... However, I shall MAKE THE MANE CAST AS TRUE TO THEIR CHARACTERS AS POOOOOOOOOOOOSIBLE! Every horrible thing, every death, every monstrous being.... THEY SHALL REACT WITH THEIR NORMAL PERSONALITY!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The biggest problem would be the natural segregation and extreme racism that would insure. Plus, who is saying Equestria is the only country? There could be another completely psychotic country with lots of highly advanced technology and a real hate for anything standing on two legs. For some reason. And who is saying the transdimensional portal system won't go wrong and you'll end up teleporting a whole platoon of nazis, the majority of Genghis Khan's forces and a group of British soldiers from the Somme into Equestria? That'd lead to one hell of a want for a nail, leading to Equestria mostly being ponies either under the Third Reich, Genghis Khan, England or the scattered forces of Celestia? That wouldn't be a nice place to live. I'll stay right here until it has been proven safe, thank you very much.It's like someone poured the contents of my head onto a dimensional plane.
AMMA RUN AROUND IN MAH JACKBOOTS WITH MEH PONEEEEEZ
Post by: Telgin on November 09, 2011, 01:43:14 pm
Right.
Now I am really motivated to get on the writing team and start running the series into the ground. I SHALL MAKE THE DARKEST EPISODES EVAAAR
Right, first shall be the adaption of Pathologic. Then it's going to be The Suffering. Next, Cryostasis. Then I shall make an episode where we find that Pinkie is actually looking at something completely different then us... It'll totally ruin the series and get it banned everywhere, but goddamn would be an epic finale.
I could get behind this. :D If My Little Pony is going to go down, it at least should go out with style.
After all, I'm on the 8th page of a Warhammer 40K / MLP:FiM crossover comic that's going to have lots of space marines and skitarii shooting ponies. And ponies returning the favor. In the grim darkness of the far future, war is magic, and everything is grimdark. I fully support grimdark ponies.
I have a very strange way of showing my approval of cartoons apparently. Now if only WH40K and ponies hadn't been crossovered a hundred times already... at least mine is different from ponies in power armor.
Hmm, now what would Dr. Robotnik do with ponies? Roboticized ponies, anyone?
Post by: kaijyuu on November 09, 2011, 02:07:37 pm
I don't care if the show's gonna go down or not. I don't care if season 2 and 3 end up sucking. Season 1's goddamn awesome enough for me to want to make the fangame circling in my head for the past few months. It's shit right now, but the engine's 95% built. I just need artists and content.
If the show ends up canceled, it's going to end with a bang. I want to be part of that bang.
*cracks knuckles*
Back to programming.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 09, 2011, 02:26:51 pm
Expect a thread on ponychan in the projects section in a week from me.It's not an XCom crossover, is it?
I don't care if the show's gonna go down or not. I don't care if season 2 and 3 end up sucking. Season 1's goddamn awesome enough for me to want to make the fangame circling in my head for the past few months. It's shit right now, but the engine's 95% built. I just need artists and content.
If the show ends up canceled, it's going to end with a bang. I want to be part of that bang.
*cracks knuckles*
Back to programming.
Because I want an XCom crossover.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 09, 2011, 02:32:32 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 02:52:44 pm
*snip*And who is saying the transdimensional portal system won't go wrong and you'll end up teleporting a whole platoon of nazis, the majority of Genghis Khan's forces and a group of British soldiers from the Somme into Equestria? That'd lead to one hell of a want for a nail, leading to Equestria mostly being ponies either under the Third Reich, Genghis Khan, England or the scattered forces of Celestia? That wouldn't be a nice place to live. I'll stay right here until it has been proven safe, thank you very much.The mongols would use ponies as epic mounts, at first, trying to capture and train them like horses, then breeding em with horses they brought from back home to try to get bigger ponies. Sooner or later, they'll learn that ponies are intelligent, but, having the perceived upper hand, they would be very resistant to changing how things are from the top-down.
By that time, ponies will be 'tainted' by the fighting and such they had to do to defend themselves from the Mongols and as their mounts... as the Mongols, roam Equestria and beyond, exploring this new world, not knowing what to think of all the 'peaceful' beast people they encounter.
But, seeing as how Genghis Khan united the Mongol horde for a common cause... there may be fractures to the alliance, with no perceived threat other then a relatively new and peaceful land of plenty...
See, the thing is that Genghis Khan only continued to expand his empire because it was the best way to keep potential political threats (i.e. male relatives, other leaders) far, far away. He even changed the Mongol marriage practices, so that rather than having potential son-in-laws work as apprentices as sorts under his family to prove their worth, he sent them out to the battlefield, where most of them died. As a matter of fact, he had something approaching a patologic distrust for men, as in his youth he had been systematically betrayed by male relatives and allies. Later in his life, he set his daughters up as the rulers of various regions of his empire, both because he trusted them, and because they were more competent than his sons. He actually avoided conflict when possible, preferring to bring new lands into the empire through political marriages. Couple this with the respect for horses inherent in any sort of nomadic culture, and I think it is much more likely that he would ally with the Equestrians, rather than conquer and enslave them.
Post by: Fniff on November 09, 2011, 03:05:34 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 03:31:46 pm
+ Humans are Bastards
+ Equestria on Earth
+ Overdone crossovers (40k, MechWarrior)
+ "Hey let's plunge ponies into some arbitrary war to break the formula of the show" (Not opposed to war within the story, but it needs to make more sense than just transposing two conflicting factions into Equestria via plot device)
+ No 'lol twilight screwed up a spell and made an interuniversal rift' plot device. That sort of thing is usually necessary to set up the show, but that and the 'humans made science go boom' excuses are getting very, very old. A perfect example of what would work well: Crossing MLP with Hell's Gate, as that provides interuniversal transport that has nothing to do with the factions. Have a portal open near Canterlot leading somewhere into Sharonan territory, set up an encounter, and voila. Actually, I really want to do this now.
I would start writing that right away, but I've already got two things that need writing.
Post by: Armok on November 09, 2011, 05:03:02 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 05:08:50 pm
Post by: Zangi on November 09, 2011, 05:23:02 pm
Yeah, but I can see WW2 technology seriously messing with the current technology levels of Equestria. I mean, a machine gun on a good spot could probably lead to the pony equal of WW1 where the tactics haven't caught up with the technology, but even worse since ponies are at medieval level technologies. Even they had pegasussi an AA gun would sort them right out. And I was actually considering that instead of Somme, there should be a platoon of American soldiers, Vietnam era. With helicopters!In the case of tech... bring what you can carry/ride in or on? So there would be a limited supply... not much salvage even.
Don't believe its easy or even possible to build fancy tech stuff without the know-how and materials. Unless its a two way portal where they can go back and bring more people/stuff in to put up buildings/defenses...
*snip*More then likely, ponies don't speak Mongol nor do Mongol speak pony. Whatever stuff said by ponies can easily be seen as noises animals make. Mongols would still want to capture and train ponies to replenish their current stock of horses and try to breed them to make them bigger. Yea, they can probably figure they are intelligent, but hey, they've just been moved way out of their element... to a lush green land filled with weird things and the occasional giant deadly creature...
But yea, I could see a tentative alliance being struck if Celestia could speak to and understand them... right from the beginning... maybe most will be ok with it at first, but if the Mongol horde falls apart to infighting or goes about conquering other races... would the ponies back away from that alliance?
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 05:48:16 pm
Yeah, but I can see WW2 technology seriously messing with the current technology levels of Equestria. I mean, a machine gun on a good spot could probably lead to the pony equal of WW1 where the tactics haven't caught up with the technology, but even worse since ponies are at medieval level technologies. Even they had pegasussi an AA gun would sort them right out. And I was actually considering that instead of Somme, there should be a platoon of American soldiers, Vietnam era. With helicopters!In the case of tech... bring what you can carry/ride in or on? So there would be a limited supply... not much salvage even.
Don't believe its easy or even possible to build fancy tech stuff without the know-how and materials. Unless its a two way portal where they can go back and bring more people/stuff in to put up buildings/defenses...*snip*More then likely, ponies don't speak Mongol nor do Mongol speak pony. Whatever stuff said by ponies can easily be seen as noises animals make. Mongols would still want to capture and train ponies to replenish their current stock of horses and try to breed them to make them bigger. Yea, they can probably figure they are intelligent, but hey, they've just been moved way out of their element... to a lush green land filled with weird things and the occasional giant deadly creature...
But yea, I could see a tentative alliance being struck if Celestia could speak to and understand them... right from the beginning... maybe most will be ok with it at first, but if the Mongol horde falls apart to infighting or goes about conquering other races... would the ponies back away from that alliance?
First: Even if for some reason Celestia didn't have a translating spell/the innate ability to understand and be understoof by all creatures, Fluttershy likely would be able to communicate with humans on some sort of level. For that matter, the idea of ponies speaking the same language as the Mongols isn't any more far-fetched than them speaking English, which shows up in practically every HiE story as fact, rather than translation convention.
Second: Unless we're working with the assumption that the entire Mongolian Empire was transposed (which doesn't seem to be the case), it would likely only be the Great Khan and his extended family, which would eliminate the need to continually be at war in order to keep potential rivals out in the field. At least, if we're working on the same assumptions of scale as the WWII example. Quite apart from that, the Mongol secret histories (which were essentially a large collection of stories about the lives of his family) show quite clearly that he was no savage. Although given his typical method of forming alliances, that could be rather squicky. Blueblood x Alaqai? For some reason I don't think he'd get along with someone who chased down and tackled a man who kidnapped her younger brother when she was still a fairly young child, held him while her brother stabbed him with his own dagger, until a pair of guards caught up and killed him with an axe.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 05:55:58 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 09, 2011, 06:06:37 pm
Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 06:17:41 pm
I just wanna see Ponies Vs. Nazis Vs. Mongols Vs. Vietnam Era Americans. :'(I support this. You could take out the mongols, and I'd still be happy :P
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 09, 2011, 06:19:25 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 06:20:27 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 09, 2011, 06:22:21 pm
Post by: Armok on November 09, 2011, 06:22:59 pm
Blueblood x Alaqai?OTP!
Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 06:23:40 pm
Wouldn't 'Nam era Americans completely whip Nazi ass, being that they would pretty much have near-intimate detail on the arms and common tactics of the Nazi soldiers?And the fact that most of their technology is ripped-off of the Nazi's ::)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 09, 2011, 06:27:10 pm
And we didn't rip off as much Nazi technology as you think. The stuff we did rip off we made a lot better.
Post by: Fniff on November 09, 2011, 06:35:05 pm
Maybe I shouldn't have based this all off my entire knowledge of history which is basically imaginations of an incredibly strange arena where historical characters and fictional groups fight.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 06:39:06 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 06:52:21 pm
The Secret Histories were propaganda, plain and simple.
Which doesn't explain why they were hidden so effectively, or why they were censored at some point after his death. You don't create propaganda and then divide it up into small sections and hide it all over your empire. For that matter, the vast majority of his people were illiterate, so it isn't as if they would have been able to read any sort of written propaganda.
Unrelated:
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Post by: Knirisk on November 09, 2011, 06:54:35 pm
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Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 06:58:18 pm
But perhaps they made the propaganda, then hid it, so when future people found them, THEY would be the affected audience! HUH? HUH?The Secret Histories were propaganda, plain and simple.
Which doesn't explain why they were hidden so effectively, or why they were censored at some point after his death. You don't create propaganda and then divide it up into small sections and hide it all over your empire. For that matter, the vast majority of his people were illiterate, so it isn't as if they would have been able to read any sort of written propaganda.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 07:10:33 pm
But perhaps they made the propaganda, then hid it, so when future people found them, THEY would be the affected audience! HUH? HUH?The Secret Histories were propaganda, plain and simple.
Which doesn't explain why they were hidden so effectively, or why they were censored at some point after his death. You don't create propaganda and then divide it up into small sections and hide it all over your empire. For that matter, the vast majority of his people were illiterate, so it isn't as if they would have been able to read any sort of written propaganda.
Maybe everything everyone does is secretly intended to influence people in the future! But what if there are no people in the future? What if we influence ourselves in the future, destroying historical continuity? OH GOD, IT'S FULL OF PRIMARY SOURCES!
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 09, 2011, 07:16:38 pm
Or perhaps we just ran across a bunch of ancient conspiracy theorists.
Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 07:19:54 pm
1. Bury nuke ten feet underground NYC sewersBut perhaps they made the propaganda, then hid it, so when future people found them, THEY would be the affected audience! HUH? HUH?The Secret Histories were propaganda, plain and simple.
Which doesn't explain why they were hidden so effectively, or why they were censored at some point after his death. You don't create propaganda and then divide it up into small sections and hide it all over your empire. For that matter, the vast majority of his people were illiterate, so it isn't as if they would have been able to read any sort of written propaganda.
Maybe everything everyone does is secretly intended to influence people in the future! But what if there are no people in the future? What if we influence ourselves in the future, destroying historical continuity? OH GOD, IT'S FULL OF PRIMARY SOURCES!
2. Set timer to fifty years
3. ? ? ?
4. PROFIT!
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 07:54:37 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 08:08:19 pm
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Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 08:10:37 pm
Steering this thread back to ponies....They lost the game.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 08:35:18 pm
Steering this thread back to ponies....They lost the game.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Should have asked Blueblood.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 08:58:46 pm
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Post by: LordBucket on November 09, 2011, 09:04:44 pm
I just wanna see Ponies Vs. Nazis Vs. Mongols Vs. Vietnam Era Americans. :'(
Couple observations:
* It wouldn't take a very clever unicorn to levitate an ursa into an invading army, drop it on its head and simply leave.
* In Boast Busters, the water tower that twilight telekinetically ripped from the ground was outside of town. There's no line of sight limitation on unicorn magic. She was able to pull a fairly massive object containing about 15 tons of liquid (the math was uninteresting, but that was my estimate), perform fine motor control by milking cows to fill it, then float the whole thing into town, and give it to the ursa. And then pick him up too and levitate them both clear out to a cave in the Everfree forest. Even without computing the weight of the ursa (difficult, as it didn't appear to be flesh) that's still an impressive feat of magic. And Twilight is basically a college student. Talented perhaps, but a "college students" in Equestria are telekinetically lifting 15+ ton objects while performing fine motor control with them and quickly moving them across perhaps miles of distance without line of sight. How many much older, more experienced unicorns are there also able to perform feats of similar magnitude?
* We don't have much information on the full extent of Celestia and Luna's power. We know they can move celestial bodies, but does that mean that Celestia is telekinetically accelerating 10^27 tons of mass at 93 million miles distance fast enough for it to be clearly visible as several degrees of motion? If that's the kind of magnitude of force she's able to exert, then it's totally reasonable to suggest that she could levitate an entire army and telekinetically crush it into a super dense ball of goo, possibly without ever bothering to leave her palace. But we have to make all kinds of assumptions, that the mass and distance of Equestria's suns are similar...that they're even stellar phenomenon like we have in our universe, etc.
Since it appears to not take several minutes between Celestia raising the sun and its light being visible, the Equestrian sun is presumably much closer and smaller than ours. And moving the sun and the moon can be interpreted in ways other than direct telekinetic force. The Equestrian sun might not be a sun like in our universe. Banishing "Luna" to "the moon" might have been a non-physical event. When Celestia appeared over Ponyvile in Lesson Zero she might have flown rather than teleported. Some of her demonstrated feats can be explained away. However...
* In Friendship Is Magic part 2, Celestia does a very interesting thing: she verbally responds to Applejack, and then flies from beyond the horizon as a ball of light to a compete stop inside the room over the course of about 8 seconds.
Couple things:
1) She is very visibly a ball of light, and not in pony form. Presumably that would take care of being liquified by acceleration forces. But if she's able to transform into a non-corporeal light body, then it's reasonable to suggest that she may be able to render herself immune to any kind of mundane weaponry. What effect will swords and artillery shells have on a ball of light? Additionally, since she's able to casually deconstruct and reconstruct her body from physical pony to light, it's plausible to suggest that destroying her physical body might not kill her. She might be able to simply make a new one.
2) She was aware of the conversation in the room and was able to project her voice into even though she herself was not there. This is consistent with Twilight's feat of lifting the water tower from outside of town. Unicorn magic can clearly be used to casually observe out of sight locations from miles away and perform magic remotely at that distance.
3) Since Luna was banished to the moon, it's reasonable to suggest that Celestia might have been banished to the sun. That she appeared as a ball of light from beyond the horizon would tend to support that interpretation. If so...the implication is that she only not only did all this from "a couple miles away" but rather, she may have done all of this from an interplanetary distance. If Celestia is to observe events while not even on the planet, use magic to locally create the sound of her voice at that distance, then engage in planetary reentry and near-instant deceleration, all while not even physically manifest in her body, and from the calmness of her voice, and all of this with minimal effort. Some of these feats might not directly translate well into combat capability. But the general level of magical competence and power she's demonstrated tends to support the interpretation of Celestia as a reality-warping Goddess rather than merely a magic-wielding unicorn.
3a) If she was banished to the sun like Luna was banished the moon, and if you interpret that as a physical event, that implies that she's able to withstand temperatures and gravitational forces present on a star, lack of oxygen, etc. And if you don't interpret it as a physical event, it once again suggests that Celestia's physical body is just a convenient and temporary shell she's wearing. Destroying it is unlikely to harm her.
4) If they do manage to kill her, life on the planet basically ends because the sun won't rise or set anymore.
I don't think human armies, modern of otherwise, stand much of a chance.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 09, 2011, 09:13:55 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 09, 2011, 09:26:45 pm
Besides, if Celestia could overpower her fairly, there wouldn't of been a need to send her to the moon.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 09, 2011, 09:31:13 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 09:31:43 pm
Post by: LordBucket on November 09, 2011, 09:33:27 pm
I'd debate their knowing of a human invasion. I'd also debate why Celestia
sent the kids to take down the dragon if she is that powerful.
Because it was just a dragon. It wasn't worthy of her time. Unicorn kids can deal with dragons.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 09:34:22 pm
Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 09:35:03 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 09:36:46 pm
Also, modern armies would laugh at an Ursa Major before killing it brutally, let along a mere ursa minor.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 09, 2011, 09:38:16 pm
Then why does Twilight run from the dragon that almost eats Spike?
She isn't exactly self-aware. She probably has no real concept of just how insanely powerful she is. Besides, as far as she knows and we know, she's still mortal. Doesn't matter how much raw power you have when you could be killed by a hard tap to the wrong area.
Ninjedit: A modern army wouldn't have an issue with a living creature, but I'd imagine having a tree slam through a quarter of a company would probably put the rest of them on the ground long enough for Twi to rest up for a second swing, and by the time she had to do a third the soldiers would either be trying to crawl forward or with their hands held high, depending on how hardass they were.
Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 09:42:15 pm
Considering that she had to put a lot of effort into that, I'm not sure she could do it multiple times.A bear several times the size of a house would scare the shit out of most of the men. especially considering they do not know what the hell it is.
Also, modern armies would laugh at an Ursa Major before killing it brutally, let along a mere ursa minor.
Ursa Major? About 15 times the size of an Ursa Minor? Rape.
Post by: LordBucket on November 09, 2011, 09:43:02 pm
Then why does Twilight run from the dragon that almost eats Spike?
She was there to rescue Spike, not kill the thing. Not in her nature to go looking for a fight.
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Also, modern armies would laugh at an Ursa Major
before killing it brutally, let along a mere ursa minor.
Blind assertion. Justify it.
Post by: The Master on November 09, 2011, 09:45:12 pm
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 09, 2011, 09:45:53 pm
If you had conscripts or other badly-trained soldiers, however, they'd have a much harder time because they'd likely be scared shitless.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 09:48:38 pm
Then why does Twilight run from the dragon that almost eats Spike?
She was there to rescue Spike, not kill the thing. Not in her nature to go looking for a fight.
So why wouldn't the ponies just try to flee the humans? Not in their nature to go looking for a fight.
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A little thing I like to call 'tactical air support'.QuoteAlso, modern armies would laugh at an Ursa Major
before killing it brutally, let along a mere ursa minor.
Blind assertion. Justify it.
Post by: LordBucket on November 09, 2011, 09:49:18 pm
A modern army wouldn't have an issue with a living creature
But is it? The ursa was shown as a translucent starry thing. It did not appear to be entirely solid.
Even if it is, sure, tanks and artillery and fighter jets might be able to kill it, but as you say, having the thing drop from the sky on top of a few thousand soldiers...I would guess it would kill a lot of them before it died, and would do all sorts of nasty things to any kind of dug-in encampment.
For that matter, they wouldn't even have to drop in an Ursa. Simply drop in an equivalent weight of rock and earth on top of them.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 09, 2011, 09:50:11 pm
me: A $100 custom pony plushie.
Parents: Ok.
me: ...what?
I'm commissioning an Applejack from the same guy who did this (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E8nk6SqhtdY/TqpnUYfhG3I/AAAAAAAAP4s/eztKx2h46hk/s1600/Capture.JPG). I know him through the super mario world hacking community. Last I heard he was kinda swamped (someone hit him with 11 commissions at once!) so I don't know if I'll really get it before christmas xD
Still... so awesome. I need more pony merch; my shirts and poster don't quite cut it.
Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 09:51:45 pm
I'm pretty sure that, while a modern army wouldn't take a giant translucent bear as some kind of joke, they'd probably just shoot it until it stopped moving anyway. Unless that didn't harm it in the slightest, I don't think an Ursa Minor, or even Major, would be a problem to a well-trained force.If they were all veteran, they'd be good. Shaken, but alive. Any recruits would be heading for the hills.
If you had conscripts or other badly-trained soldiers, however, they'd have a much harder time because they'd likely be scared shitless.
The mongols might think it's some kind of god beast, and run from the giant night creature.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 09:52:07 pm
A modern army wouldn't have an issue with a living creature
But is it? The ursa was shown as a translucent starry thing. It did not appear to be entirely solid.
Even if it is, sure, tanks and artillery and fighter jets might be able to kill it, but as you say, having the thing drop from the sky on top of a few thousand soldiers...I would guess it would kill a lot of them before it died, and would do all sorts of nasty things to any kind of dug-in encampment.
My window is transparent. Doesn't appear to be at all solid.
Oh, wait.
The minor is translucent, the major isn't.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 09:53:30 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 09, 2011, 09:55:01 pm
Someone have to write this fic: A modern force of some kind arrive in Equestria, and starts massacring ponies. Twilight casts http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SummonEverymanHero ... and get Ghengis Khan, who now have to teach them the art of war in time to save them, while fighting prejudice from misinformed present day people.
Ask and ye shall receive.
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 09, 2011, 09:56:06 pm
Ponies would probably be rather kind to non-belligerents, even if they were obviously carrying weapons. They would have to be acting in hostility before the ponies would act, and the ponies would likely be quick to just retreat unless something valuable to them was being threatened. I'd imagine a few of the more stubborn ponies defending their homesteads.
Celestia would probably respond to a real threat to her subjects rather quickly and with devastating force. Twilight might be able to hurl Ursas, but Celestia could likely cause the earth to swallow up an army like a scripture from the Old Testament.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 09:57:37 pm
What happens is some people get unhappy with only having quail and mana, and they tell Moses to do something, and THEN the earth opens and swallows them up.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 09:59:58 pm
Then why does Twilight run from the dragon that almost eats Spike?
She isn't exactly self-aware. She probably has no real concept of just how insanely powerful she is. Besides, as far as she knows and we know, she's still mortal. Doesn't matter how much raw power you have when you could be killed by a hard tap to the wrong area.
Ninjedit: A modern army wouldn't have an issue with a living creature, but I'd imagine having a tree slam through a quarter of a company would probably put the rest of them on the ground long enough for Twi to rest up for a second swing, and by the time she had to do a third the soldiers would either be trying to crawl forward or with their hands held high, depending on how hardass they were.
The thing to keep in mind is that Twilight is vastly more powerful than normal unicorns, and that her talent specifically enhances her magical abilities. Goddesses or no, three ponies can't protect an entire country at the same time (unless it is Monaco), but a brigade or two can certainly devastate one, if whoever commands the attacking army is smart enough to send diversionary forces and skirmishers to distract the actual threats. And for some reason I doubt a tree would deter, say, a battalion of MBTs. For that matter, I don't think it would be very easy to protect an entire town from a MLRS bombardment with a magical shield. Or detect and target a hypersonic cruise missile (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/4203874) before it hit. Or defend against multiple volleys from Metal Storm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEu9LLQpOF8)-armed vehicles.
Maybe if we were talking about a small unit with high-maint. equipment or really shitty equipment or tactics, or from an era where bronze swords were the cat's pajamas. Or all of North Korea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp6cB7BGj48).
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 09, 2011, 10:02:35 pm
The issue with a military invasion of Equestria is whether they'd be able to get in any kind of support for ground soldiers. Honestly, unless Celestia literally started nuking her own territory with microsuns, there's no way in hell ponies could beat even a force equipped with IFVs.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 10:04:40 pm
Someone have to write this fic: A modern force of some kind arrive in Equestria, and starts massacring ponies. Twilight casts http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SummonEverymanHero ... and get Ghengis Khan, who now have to teach them the art of war in time to save them, while fighting prejudice from misinformed present day people.
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ARGLEBLARGLETHEWORDIS "LOSING". Because seriously, few things bug me more than when I'm enjoying a fic and the author keeps confusing two words that really shouldn't be hard to keep seperate. :P
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 10:06:44 pm
Post by: LordBucket on November 09, 2011, 10:18:59 pm
there's no way in hell ponies could beat even a force equipped with IFVs.
I think it would largely depend on how smart they were. A clever person with a 100 unicorns of Twilight's ability could probably take out the combined military forces of modern earth given sufficient time.
One possible example:
Teleport chunks of earth out from beneath the ground to create a catacombed underground base spread out over an arbitrarily large distance. Even nuclear bunker bunkers are unlikely to penetrate a couple miles of ground, but unicorns would be able to remote-view and telekinetically dismantle bodies on the surface. Anypony able to lift 15 tons of weight have likely find tearing a head off a body to be effortless, and even if the human armies knew where the unicorns were it would be difficult for them to get at them.
But would peace-loving ponies think of such things? Probably not.
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 10:29:30 pm
there's no way in hell ponies could beat even a force equipped with IFVs.
I think it would largely depend on how smart they were. A clever person with a 100 unicorns of Twilight's ability could probably take out the combined military forces of modern earth given sufficient time.
One possible example:
Teleport chunks of earth out from beneath the ground to create a catacombed underground base spread out over an arbitrarily large distance. Even nuclear bunker bunkers are unlikely to penetrate a couple miles of ground, but unicorns would be able to remote-view and telekinetically dismantle bodies on the surface. Anypony able to lift 15 tons of weight have likely find tearing a head off a body to be effortless, and even if the human armies knew where the unicorns were it would be difficult for them to get at them.
But would peace-loving ponies think of such things? Probably not.
Might as well say that with the capability of one hundred Americas, we could colonise space.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 09, 2011, 10:30:38 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 10:56:47 pm
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Post by: lyn on November 09, 2011, 11:36:25 pm
You see, that's why ponies need humans. They would never be able to weaponize, say... bucking telekinesis or weather control. We can.
A very good point to make. Ponies do not wage war in such a barbaric fashion.
Please do correct me if I am wrong, but does Twilight Sparkle not show powers of mind control in Lesson Zero?
What stops her from enchanting herself to become unresistable for the leader of any given invading force?
She could, in the case of nazis, make Hitler her unconditional loveslave and control the whole Third Reich.
In fact, this would make it quite feasible that ponies are already among us, ruling our world while we are completely clueless of their existance.
Post by: Necro910 on November 09, 2011, 11:45:52 pm
The world's leaders aren't reptilians, they're just sexually dependent on unicorns.You see, that's why ponies need humans. They would never be able to weaponize, say... bucking telekinesis or weather control. We can.
A very good point to make. Ponies do not wage war in such a barbaric fashion.
Please do correct me if I am wrong, but does Twilight Sparkle not show powers of mind control in Lesson Zero?
What stops her from enchanting herself to become unresistable for the leader of any given invading force?
She could, in the case of nazis, make Hitler her unconditional loveslave and control the whole Third Reich.
In fact, this would make it quite feasible that ponies are already among us, ruling our world while we are completely clueless of their existance.
I love the internet.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 09, 2011, 11:47:52 pm
In reality though, all "humans subvert Equestria" scenarios can end with one single event. "Discord is released, everybody loses."
Post by: Dsarker on November 09, 2011, 11:49:27 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 10, 2011, 12:01:36 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 12:05:04 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 10, 2011, 12:08:32 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 12:10:05 am
It didn't unbind when the Diamond Dogs captured Rarity. It didn't unlock when Spike and Twilight were fighting. It didn't unstick when Applejack and Rarity were having a hissy fit about each other.
Maybe every act of disunity in Equestria contributes to freeing Discord, and the argument in the garden just happened to be the incident that finally pushed the containment spell past the breaking point.
The world's leaders aren't reptilians, they're just sexually dependent on unicorns.You see, that's why ponies need humans. They would never be able to weaponize, say... bucking telekinesis or weather control. We can.
A very good point to make. Ponies do not wage war in such a barbaric fashion.
Please do correct me if I am wrong, but does Twilight Sparkle not show powers of mind control in Lesson Zero?
What stops her from enchanting herself to become unresistable for the leader of any given invading force?
She could, in the case of nazis, make Hitler her unconditional loveslave and control the whole Third Reich.
In fact, this would make it quite feasible that ponies are already among us, ruling our world while we are completely clueless of their existance.
I love the internet.
For the record, I would have no problem with this, assuming I could become a world leader. Uh. That sounded more creepy than I thought it would. I probably meant that in the sense of emotional dependancy. Yeah, let's go with that. ;)
Post by: Necro910 on November 10, 2011, 12:15:30 am
It could be that, or it could be that there has to be a certain discord/distance ratio. Three fillies beating the crap out of eachother at five yards may have released him. Ten thousand men ripping eachothers innards out in a spectacle of utter chaos would probably release him as well.It didn't unbind when the Diamond Dogs captured Rarity. It didn't unlock when Spike and Twilight were fighting. It didn't unstick when Applejack and Rarity were having a hissy fit about each other.
Maybe every act of disunity in Equestria contributes to freeing Discord, and the argument in the garden just happened to be the incident that finally pushed the containment spell past the breaking point.The world's leaders aren't reptilians, they're just sexually dependent on unicorns.You see, that's why ponies need humans. They would never be able to weaponize, say... bucking telekinesis or weather control. We can.
A very good point to make. Ponies do not wage war in such a barbaric fashion.
Please do correct me if I am wrong, but does Twilight Sparkle not show powers of mind control in Lesson Zero?
What stops her from enchanting herself to become unresistable for the leader of any given invading force?
She could, in the case of nazis, make Hitler her unconditional loveslave and control the whole Third Reich.
In fact, this would make it quite feasible that ponies are already among us, ruling our world while we are completely clueless of their existance.
I love the internet.
For the record, I would have no problem with this, assuming I could become a world leader. Uh. That sounded more creepy than I thought it would. I probably meant that in the sense of emotional dependancy. Yeah, let's go with that. ;)
Rule 34, amirite?
Post by: kaenneth on November 10, 2011, 12:17:44 am
"Hello, Doctor Freeman, it pleases me to... see... you again."
He moved closer.
"My employers have a... very special task for you to perform. There are those who would interfere with... our work... our... worlds."
A view of a green verdant landscape appeared, one that might have been on Earth, before they came, before it ended, before Black Mesa.
"Of coarse outside... influence on our affairs cannot be tolerated... and so it is... time they were shown the... costs of their meddling... throw a spanner into the works... or perhaps a crowbar."
As Gordan awoke He trailed off, "Or perhaps you can make some new friends..."
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 10, 2011, 12:26:08 am
It could be that, or it could be that there has to be a certain discord/distance ratio. Three fillies beating the crap out of eachother at five yards may have released him. Ten thousand men ripping eachothers innards out in a spectacle of utter chaos would probably release him as well.That was basically what I was implying, yes. A little chaos up close could be equivalent to a lot of chaos at a distance.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 10, 2011, 12:29:10 am
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYqOYttWLxE)
Post by: Necro910 on November 10, 2011, 12:30:11 am
Mmmmmyup. I understood you, I wanted to make it clearer :)It could be that, or it could be that there has to be a certain discord/distance ratio. Three fillies beating the crap out of eachother at five yards may have released him. Ten thousand men ripping eachothers innards out in a spectacle of utter chaos would probably release him as well.That was basically what I was implying, yes. A little chaos up close could be equivalent to a lot of chaos at a distance.
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 12:47:44 am
The seer council had planned this attack on the Tau, and had forseen total and swift victory, and the safety of their craftworld from an Ork Waaagh soon to come to the sector. But the reality was anything but.
A new weapon had been unleashed by the Tau, a new auxilliary race. Psychically potent in the extreme, it had annihilated squads in displays worthy of the twisted mon-keigh.
Faeruthiel ducked as a plasma burst sizzled past where her head had been, and looked for its origin. There! In the sky, another one of the new enemy, a flyer, was hovering, sending down plasma blasts at her squad. She raised her shurkien catapult and fired at it desperately. Her weapon answered her desperation, the shurikens carving through the armour and sending the being hurtling to the ground.
Her cheer faded when she saw another of the ground squads coming, and prepared for another bout of melee. These ones fought like orks, trusting to their strength to carry them through. Her squad raked them, but they seemed tougher than their late compatriot.
Too late she saw the psyker. Too late came the warning, for the building behind her began to shake. She tried to get out, but it was too late. The building crashed down upon her and her squad.
Although her compatriots had been mercifully slain instantly, she was still alive, her body half crushed by the collapse. She tried to call out, for help, for the mercy of death, even. But the psyker came. Faeruthiel filled with dread as the psyker lifted the building up, and two of the assault group lifted her up and carried her. Unlike the other allies of the Tau, and most of the sentient beings in the galaxy, these used their mouths to grasp things, and she could feel the power in their jaws. Her eyes closed as she let the terror carry her away to unconsciousness.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 01:19:11 am
Post by: kaenneth on November 10, 2011, 01:23:10 am
I am now concerned.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 01:24:01 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 01:42:36 am
You're writing another 40k crossover?!
In response to this.
Hey, is there a fanfic that introduces the Ponies as a 40k faction, not as the Imperium of Man? It must have been done.
Post by: LordBucket on November 10, 2011, 01:56:31 am
EDIT:
...oh. Apparently somebody beat me to it (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/derpymail-usps-stamps.html) by seven months.
Post by: Jimmy on November 10, 2011, 05:14:44 am
At work we happened to have a series of fantasy theme stamps (dwarves, dragons, etc) for sending outgoings this month. One of the girls was going to use a fairy stamp until she realized the letter was to the tax department. She used a troll instead.
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 05:40:51 am
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He was too strong...
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 10, 2011, 05:55:39 am
That's not to mention I'd never manage to come up with a piece like that.
Confound these ponies and their ridiculously talented fans!
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 05:58:23 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 05:59:01 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 10, 2011, 06:00:30 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 06:01:11 am
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 07:43:12 am
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Well, if you want to make a b-fanfic, do it yourself, I guess.
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 08:17:42 am
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"What of this one, Brother-Sergeant?"
"No witnesses."
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 10, 2011, 08:19:18 am
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/FiN_Debesh_Fluttershy_01.jpg)
Needs more bottles? Needs more bottles.
Seriously though, what am I doing? So much time spent on making fanart for a piece of fiction that's going to be shot down as soon as it's complete. *sigh* Unfortunately, nothing else seems interesting enough at the moment.
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 08:23:20 am
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 10, 2011, 08:27:46 am
One of my dreams has been to make something worthy of fanart. One of the largest indicators of having done something impressive is having people make art based on it. Fo:E, Past Sins; each of those stories were awesome enough for people to make their own stories and art based in those universes. Over in the Nuzlocke community, the really good stories would get other people drawing stuff for them. When I write something and don't get any comments, it kind of makes me feel like the whole thing was too mediocre for anyone to notice, and getting fanart is the complete opposite; someone noticed my stuff and thought it awesome enough that they wanted to do something with it themselves.
So, that's why you are awesome, Sean. I'm glad we're interesting enough to attract your attention :D
Also, more bottles.
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 08:29:55 am
Post by: Jimmy on November 10, 2011, 08:53:24 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 10, 2011, 08:58:00 am
Also, I don't know why, but Debesh's head looks like it is that of a tyrannosaurus rex.Gee, I wonder why...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Seriously though, no idea. Might just be the sketchiness.
As for the neck, it's partially hidden by the mane, partially by the beard, making it appear thinner.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 10, 2011, 09:01:33 am
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H-how could you? You monster! You will pay for this....
<insert teary eyes here>
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 09:06:21 am
You are so damn awesome.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 10, 2011, 09:09:46 am
Well, he was already devouring some kind of critter...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
H-how could you? You monster! You will pay for this....
<insert teary eyes here>
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/9ff4160f63608df3871e51ec7440ee45.image.209x119.jpg)
On the other hand, a prehistoric MLP version? Caveponies and dinosaurs?
Also, I believe if I change the hue on my edit a little and add wings, I can get an alternate ending to "Dragonshy". Well, except the dragon would be a mite smaller :P
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 09:13:33 am
Or at least caused you to stop caring so much about the ponies getting horribly mauled.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 10, 2011, 09:27:19 am
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/Dragonshy.jpg)
Don't really like how the wings turned out...
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 09:44:20 am
Spoiler: Another part (click to show/hide)
OT: Well, there goes my theory that the series isn't the dying dream of any of the mane six.
Post by: Armok on November 10, 2011, 10:16:01 am
Eeeeee! :DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Well, if you want to make a b-fanfic, do it yourself, I guess.
I were going to tell you to add almost everything anypony have said in this thread for the last few pages, but rather than listing all those post I'm just going to say "Awesome! Now add in almost every idea that has appeared in this thread for different things over the last few pages!"!
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 10:26:40 am
Post by: Telgin on November 10, 2011, 10:40:49 am
Damn. That, right there, is why I keep saying I'm no good with drawing. Even if I can make the lines and designs, making the image so effective through shading and effects is just way too far beyond me.
That's not to mention I'd never manage to come up with a piece like that.
Confound these ponies and their ridiculously talented fans!
Same here. It's one thing to be able to draw, it's another entirely to be able to compose an emotional piece like that. There's so much that goes into that sort of pic that I'm no good at...
Quote from: Flying Dice
You're writing another 40k crossover?!
While I'm going to use Dsarker's excuse for myself as well, after reading through the last few pages I'm starting to regret crossing ponies with 40K, even if it's not the currently stock ponies = Imperium. I really should have joined the fandom a year ago, at least then the idea wouldn't have been done to death already. Ah well, I've invested this much effort into it, guess I'll stick with it for a while and see how it goes anyway.
I kind of wish that I'd have just done something with just ponies at war in it. Having read very little of the fanfiction, I'm guessing that's been done 1000 ways too though.
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 10:46:07 am
Nazis vs 'Nam Americans vs Mongols vs Ponies. Everyone is caught up in war, and whoever wins is going to be the ruler of Equestria. No boundaries, no problems with accepting deserters of any force, epic war!
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 11:11:24 am
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 11:25:11 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 11:53:29 am
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 11:58:35 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 12:04:23 pm
Post by: Euld on November 10, 2011, 12:19:43 pm
Post by: Necro910 on November 10, 2011, 12:24:13 pm
This thread is going some REALLY bizarre places o_o
Spoiler: NSFW (click to show/hide)
Post by: klingon13524 on November 10, 2011, 02:00:30 pm
Post by: Necro910 on November 10, 2011, 02:16:44 pm
Is it just me, or has the MLP craze died down a little bit?Yeah, it has. The new episodes aren't as good, so we aren't on our 24/7
And I got 2 messages from Toady to stop massacring threads, so that throws a wrench in the
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 10, 2011, 02:35:39 pm
Also, Necro... you've been massacring threads? Care to post a link to an example?
Post by: Necro910 on November 10, 2011, 02:43:30 pm
There was also a lull when they repeated the fourth episode for two weeks. But overall yeah, even I've noticed it.I derailed this one a lot, but I let it go back on track. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=94503.msg2689199#msg2689199)
Also, Necro... you've been massacring threads? Care to post a link to an example?
There are a few others, but I don't know the topic names so I can't find them. I got two warnings, so I had to stop after a while.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 10, 2011, 04:29:27 pm
There are a hell of a lot more star trek or whatever fans in the world, but they don't have threads on every forum... their interest is no longer "novel," and thus not worth discussing with everyone. Ours is becoming the same.
Post by: Zaerosz on November 10, 2011, 05:36:32 pm
WHY DO I KEEP FINDING SO MUCH GOOD FANFICTION
I DON'T EVEN
BUT THE SADFIC
AND WHOOVES
AND DERPY
AND FLUTTERSHY
AND ROMANCE
AND ADORABLE
AND CROSSOVER
AND AAAAAAaaaaaughwhy is this happeniiiiiiiing ;A;
Post by: The Master on November 10, 2011, 05:47:13 pm
AND WHOOVEShttp://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/05/story-mines-of-dragon-mountain.html
Post by: Zaerosz on November 10, 2011, 05:53:44 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 10, 2011, 05:55:15 pm
Oh, hell yes! (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/10/story-6-angry-mares.html)
Post by: Zaerosz on November 10, 2011, 06:16:25 pm
Post by: Jimmy on November 10, 2011, 06:23:25 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 10, 2011, 06:25:37 pm
Any kind of database for more ponies anywhere?
Post by: MC Dirty on November 10, 2011, 06:57:15 pm
Perhaps it was the fact I spent the whole fic trying to put faces to the numbers he used for names. There was enough detail to accurately guess who was speaking at any one time but overall it led me to become detached to the story itself.I had the same problem at first, but I just made a list with the numbers and the ponies they are after the first two pages or so. After a while, I didn't need it anymore, but it was fairly useful. For those who plan on reading the story:
1 - Rarity
2 - Rainbow Dash
3 - Pinkie Pie
4 - Applejack
5 - Twilight Sparkle
6 - Fluttershy
Post by: Telgin on November 10, 2011, 07:05:40 pm
So episode 5 is up on the Hub website now. Watched it today, and I was pretty pleased with it. I'll agree with some of the comments I read back when it was new. Applejack's character seemed spot on. Rarity seemed close enough, but maybe I'm just not familiar enough with her character to know if she was out of character. I also agree that the scene where she found the drawing by Sweetiebelle could have been done better, but it's a small quibble for the episode. I did quite like the ending.
Rarity's parents weren't what I expected. Not sure what I did expect, but that wasn't it. Not that they're bad, but not the sort of characters I'd have thought Rarity would have for parents. Maybe a good thing, there's potential there I think.
Her father is an interesting thing... I noticed people mentioned before that she had an interracial family, but is it actually that obvious that he's an earth pony? I suppose his horn could be hidden under the hat or something. I doubt it, but who knows. I wonder if he's her biological father then, or step father?
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 10, 2011, 07:06:44 pm
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Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 07:07:50 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 10, 2011, 07:10:21 pm
Hey, idea. Rarity's parents are dead. Those are her adopted parents.As always, Dsarker posts something that somehow involves death. Watch out, it won't be long before blood's involved.
I thought Rarity's parents were hilarious. Yes, they were probably just there for a one-time gag (although I really hope that's not the case), but they were so fittingly... unfitting.
I also didn't think Rarity was that out of character. We know that she takes her work very seriously and that she tends to bite off more than she can chew, so her getting increasingly annoyed at Sweetie Belle is actually in-character. Distorting her face probably isn't, but other than that I felt that it was spot-on.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 07:11:31 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 07:11:54 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 07:13:10 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 07:15:26 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 07:29:18 pm
I'm not worrying. They're getting better.
+1.
Oh, and Necro? That derail was hilarious.
Though of course I can't condone actions which are against the forum guidelines, as I
Post by: Zaerosz on November 10, 2011, 07:43:25 pm
Time difference: 12 years.
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Post by: Necro910 on November 10, 2011, 07:47:04 pm
(http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/b/bow.gif)I'm not worrying. They're getting better.
+1.
Oh, and Necro? That derail was hilarious.
Though of course I can't condone actions which are against the forum guidelines, as Idon't want to deal with warnings/mutes myselfam a law-abiding forumgoer.
Danke, danke.
Twas hilarious indeed. I shall name it... Tim
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 07:49:55 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 07:51:10 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 07:53:01 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 07:55:08 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 07:55:48 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 08:01:22 pm
Post by: Telgin on November 10, 2011, 08:01:49 pm
It's not like the three subspecies couldn't interbreed. If they couldn't, pony society would probably be quite a bit more segregated.
Some official confirmation of this would be nice, though. Rarity's parents go a long way toward that I suppose, but there's still a little wiggle room for wondering. He could be a step father, for example.
I agree that pony society would probably be more segregated if they couldn't interbreed, but that is in a way what we see. Canterlot is mostly unicorns, isn't it? Cloudesdale is obvious.
The overwhelming evidence so far is that the three types of ponies either can't or don't interbreed. Rarity's parents are the sole exception so far. I wonder how it would work anyway... can you get any of the 3 types out of any combination, or can you only be what your parents were?
Obviously this would be a terrible way to explain alicorns, but I'm still waiting on that one.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 10, 2011, 08:08:36 pm
-snip-I'm always a bit cautious with judging fan fictions because I haven't read a lot of them, but from that short part, it could potentially be very good. This is probably an incredibly useless comment, but I'd definitely read your fanfic.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 08:25:09 pm
It's not like the three subspecies couldn't interbreed. If they couldn't, pony society would probably be quite a bit more segregated.
Some official confirmation of this would be nice, though. Rarity's parents go a long way toward that I suppose, but there's still a little wiggle room for wondering. He could be a step father, for example.
I agree that pony society would probably be more segregated if they couldn't interbreed, but that is in a way what we see. Canterlot is mostly unicorns, isn't it? Cloudesdale is obvious.
The overwhelming evidence so far is that the three types of ponies either can't or don't interbreed. Rarity's parents are the sole exception so far. I wonder how it would work anyway... can you get any of the 3 types out of any combination, or can you only be what your parents were?
Obviously this would be a terrible way to explain alicorns, but I'm still waiting on that one.
Dinky. Regardless of whether their relationship as mother-daughter is canon, they have identical color schemes. The way I interpreted it is that interbreeding has a random result of one of the two, and that the reason we haven't seen more interracial pairings is because by and large the three communities we've seen are largely divided based on purpose (Canterlot: capital, center of magic, ergo unicorns; Cloudsdale: in the sky, made of clouds, weather production, ergo pegasi; Ponyville: agricultural village with a few shops/traders, ergo mostly earth ponies with a smattering of unicorns and pegasi in occupations that are easier for them (librarian, craftspony, mailmare, weather control, etc.)), all of which would for the most part keep them seperate without any active or forced segregation.
Post by: Zaerosz on November 10, 2011, 08:25:57 pm
i-snip-I'm always a bit cautious with judging fan fictions because I haven't read a lot of them, but from that short part, it could potentially be very good. This is probably an incredibly useless comment, but I'd definitely read your fanfic.
aadafsadsadfsdf
thank you
i am just
SO self-conscious when it comes to my writing
i can do dialogue but i'm not good at wordy-descriptive-filler-fluff-stuff which makes just plain writing an absolute nightmare for me hahaha nightmare PONY PUNS WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING i think i need sleep.
Post by: Telgin on November 10, 2011, 09:10:53 pm
Dinky. Regardless of whether their relationship as mother-daughter is canon, they have identical color schemes.
I wish they would confirm their relationship. Heck, I'd appreciate a strong parent-child relationship in the show (even if Derpy is a background pony). They've taken a few other things from the fandom, so I don't see the harm in it.
The rest makes sense, and I suppose the locations we've seen and heard of are polarized by function. I would like to see more interspecies (well, I'm not sure that's the proper term here, maybe even not subspecies) relationships, but in the end I guess it's just not important enough for the writers to waste time on this sort of thing. And you have to handle it carefully, otherwise you can end up with (hopefully unintentional) parallels with real life you don't want.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 09:15:21 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 09:18:21 pm
Post by: Necro910 on November 10, 2011, 09:27:50 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 09:29:21 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 09:30:59 pm
Hey! I'm a race-based supremacist! How dare they make a show which favourably compares greyhound racing to horse racing!
After growing up with a semiprofessional handicapper, I can heartily agree with this.
Posting an excerpt from my futurefic I've been considering writing. "Pen" is the main character of the fic, and Trixie's little brother. Things happened, stuff exploded, and now Pen has brain damage that cuts off conscious access to most of his magic, as well as making him somewhat emotionally volatile, and he blames Trixie for reasons you may be able to figure out from reading the story. Trixie moved to Ponyville about two years prior to this, but made a few visits in the preceding years, the first of which was to try and make up for her abysmal first impression. She currently works with Twilight on her magical research, as well as putting on the occasional magic show for the young ones.
Time difference: 12 years.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Make sure to do a lot of your writing in the present tense. "Pen is crossing the bridge." "Pen is baking a cake." "Pen is penetrating the enemy defenses."
Which would be, logically, a bad thing. Mixing the genes up helps both immunity and general survival of the species.
+1. Except for the Apples, there probably isn't that much impetus to keep country matters in the family.
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 09:32:54 pm
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 09:33:44 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on November 10, 2011, 09:34:06 pm
Now im trapped.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 09:35:51 pm
Now enjoy massive debates stemming from heavy analysis of the show.
Post by: Necro910 on November 10, 2011, 09:37:09 pm
Oh god, I watched the first episode of this show.
Now im trapped.
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Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 09:41:04 pm
I have a drug that offers a choice between not being a brony and being a brony, making you completely objective until a decision is made! Problem is that the drug also makes you unconscious if you see or read anything related to ponies ever again. :D
Post by: Bdthemag on November 10, 2011, 09:42:24 pm
Hey, Bdthemag, good news and bad news!Oh god, this is like the Matrix.
I have a drug that offers a choice between not being a brony and being a brony, making you completely objective until a decision is made! Problem is that the drug also makes you unconscious if you see or read anything related to ponies ever again. :D
Fniff... Are you Morpheus?
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 09:44:43 pm
Hey, Bdthemag, good news and bad news!Oh god, this is like the Matrix.
I have a drug that offers a choice between not being a brony and being a brony, making you completely objective until a decision is made! Problem is that the drug also makes you unconscious if you see or read anything related to ponies ever again. :D
Fniff... Are you Morpheus?
Goddammit, everyone took the cool hacker names and now I am left with Fniff. This sucks, I don't wanna play Matrix anymore... I wanna read pony fanfiction!
Speaking of, I did my first shipping RP involving my little pony a few days back. Now I realize that I am slowly becoming what I hate, the male version.
Post by: Furtuka on November 10, 2011, 09:46:15 pm
Post by: Zaerosz on November 10, 2011, 09:46:57 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 09:47:42 pm
To Furtuka: Yeah, it was with Fniff. Don't worry, all romance.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 09:48:17 pm
And ninja'd.
Post by: Zaerosz on November 10, 2011, 09:48:59 pm
Umm...me and him were going through what an emotionless Pinkie Pie would be like personality-wise, so Fniff had his avatar go on a blind date with her. One thing led to another and it turned into an RP where the two got married and had a baby.wot
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 09:49:15 pm
Spoiler: This is what he means (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 09:49:24 pm
OH WAIT DSARKER NOOOOOOOOOO
Post by: kaijyuu on November 10, 2011, 09:50:34 pm
Ok.
Yeah.
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 09:52:38 pm
Wow, well that turned to crap quickly.
At least Fniff fainted. That's fairly in-character for a reaction.
...
Oh God what have I DONE!?
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 09:53:27 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 09:54:40 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 09:55:04 pm
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Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 09:55:32 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on November 10, 2011, 09:56:48 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 09:57:28 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 09:58:00 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 10, 2011, 09:58:05 pm
I don't think anyway!
Maybe.
I'm really not sure...
But whatever, don't hide it. Think of your child! What will HE think if he's lost and forgotten forever in the bowels of the internet?! You monster.
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 10:00:14 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 10:01:51 pm
Goddammit I'm going to be proud of this stupid bloody abomination!
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 10, 2011, 10:45:34 pm
What the fuck did I just read there?
Post by: Fniff on November 10, 2011, 10:47:10 pm
Post by: Zaerosz on November 10, 2011, 10:49:01 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 10:49:41 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 10:52:18 pm
Also, I was playing the part of Pinkie Pie. I'm sorry, I was personally trying to gauge his reactions with some of the stuff I wrote. Like Pinkie being pregnant.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 10, 2011, 10:56:07 pm
You just read what happens when a bored teen and another bored teen COLLIDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU
ANYWAY
That was a roleplay? When did that happen?
'Cause I want in on the craziness, being bored and teenaged myself :p
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 11:02:22 pm
Post by: GlyphGryph on November 10, 2011, 11:03:27 pm
oOoOnnOoOo
Also, where does this stuff happen? Hah.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 10, 2011, 11:06:30 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 11:07:32 pm
I don't think I know anyone who regularly posts here in real life. If I do, I don't know about it, but it would be really awesome.
Edit: I suddenly get the feeling that creating a pony RP entitled "The Creepy Pony RP" would actually be a really good idea. I think that there must be something displacing the oxygen in my house. Or maybe I'm just tired.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 10, 2011, 11:10:04 pm
Things kinda derailed.
Welcome to Bay12. Enjoy your stay :p
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 11:28:35 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 11:30:58 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 11:33:36 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 11:37:16 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 11:42:12 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 10, 2011, 11:45:05 pm
Spoiler: The file is called 'Creepy.' He isn't joking. (click to show/hide)
Hundreds and hundreds of pictures and music in the same vein. And every Luna game. Sleep?
Hell no.
Lance? You are an ass.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 11:47:43 pm
Well, my friend just donated a giant five-hundred megabyte file to the "Save Crazy Cow From Boredom" fund. Guess what's inside?Spoiler: The file is called 'Creepy.' He isn't joking. (click to show/hide)
Hundreds and hundreds of pictures and music in the same vein. And every Luna game. Sleep?
Hell no.
Lance? You are an ass.
Send it to me nao! ;D
Post by: Bdthemag on November 10, 2011, 11:48:25 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 11:48:54 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 10, 2011, 11:49:14 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 10, 2011, 11:49:37 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 11:50:31 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on November 10, 2011, 11:51:21 pm
Those pics aren't that bad.Except for the one with the crucified pony.
Guys, remember. Im new to all of this murder and gore My Little Pony fanart, so my reactions will usually be just confusion/nightmares.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 10, 2011, 11:52:41 pm
Dropbox accounts, everyone? I can invite you all, or do it some easier way that I don't know of.
EDIT:
You get used to it :p
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 11:54:00 pm
I have it in Dropbox already, so...
Dropbox accounts, everyone? I can invite you all, or do it some easier way that I don't know of.
EDIT:
You get used to it :p
I'm not familiar with dropbox. If you can't just post a link for anyone, I'll set up an account in a minute.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 10, 2011, 11:55:52 pm
What to do?
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 10, 2011, 11:58:47 pm
Also? Desktop-sized pony horror. By brother is in for a surprise tomorrow morning, because I know his password.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 10, 2011, 11:59:11 pm
Edit: Okay, I've got my account all set up. How can I get you to pass me the file?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 12:12:18 am
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 11, 2011, 12:14:51 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 12:16:39 am
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 11, 2011, 12:21:56 am
Also, because I'm an evil bastard I posted those pics on another pony thread somewhere else. Waiting for the ban now :p
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 12:23:18 am
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 11, 2011, 12:27:34 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 12:31:05 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 12:35:46 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 12:37:20 am
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 11, 2011, 12:40:20 am
Also, no idea what that random screencap is doing there. Don't ask me :p
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 11, 2011, 12:52:45 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 12:59:03 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 01:14:28 am
Also, more YT channels are being taken down, something like 3-4. Probably trolls filing false takedowns.
And oh my gog those creepy pictures.
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Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 01:22:21 am
Call it Hardgore Porn. People will just think you misspelled it...
Post by: Necro910 on November 11, 2011, 01:29:11 am
You could say I...
8)
laughed my ass off.
YEEEEEAAAAHHHHH
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 01:54:50 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 02:04:26 am
I know I've posted gore in the past, and some of you have liked it.
But I warn you. DO NOT OPEN THE FOLLOWING SPOILER TAG UNLESS YOU HAVE BRAIN BLEACH HANDY. IT IS HORRIBLE, AND I'M ONLY PUTTING IT UP FOR TBP. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
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Post by: SirAaronIII on November 11, 2011, 02:17:39 am
Now here's the part where he stops following that rule at random, sometimes meaning what he says and sometimes lying.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 02:23:52 am
Well, my friend just donated a giant five-hundred megabyte file to the "Save Crazy Cow From Boredom" fund. Guess what's inside?Spoiler: The file is called 'Creepy.' He isn't joking. (click to show/hide)
Hundreds and hundreds of pictures and music in the same vein. And every Luna game. Sleep?
Hell no.
Lance? You are an ass.
Hey! Sorry for the late, late post, but I want this too! Any chance you could post me the download link via PMs?
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 02:26:03 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 02:32:37 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 02:40:12 am
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 02:46:33 am
something sad, yet heartwarming
Indeed.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Damn, it'd almost be worth it not to be so mentally distanced if it meant being able to create pieces like these.
Unfortunately, almost. As long as there're stuff like the second part of Friends In Need around, I'll much prefer to keep my barriers up.
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 03:27:14 am
Post by: Jimmy on November 11, 2011, 03:54:03 am
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As an alternative to brain bleach, I recommend the following be taken immediately.
Flutterwonder (http://youtu.be/viTkj0eu-fk)
PMV - The Stars Will Aid In Her Escape (Cosmic Love) (http://youtu.be/rV_0n5gp1fE)
Avast Fluttershy's Ass (http://youtu.be/NbIGnY_DSIE)
Hardware Store (PONY STYLE) ( ﾟヮﾟ) (http://youtu.be/1FwtC-1bpx0)
Intensive Pony Unit (http://youtu.be/GyXg_MJeeuw)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 04:24:52 am
Post by: Jimmy on November 11, 2011, 04:27:41 am
http://youtu.be/UWo9WI7G0Ek (http://youtu.be/UWo9WI7G0Ek)
http://youtu.be/8K20mMLTsTM (http://youtu.be/8K20mMLTsTM)
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 04:36:14 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKD-UI0hbac
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 04:44:59 am
I must repeat my early warning. FOR THE BRONZE PICKLE'S VIEWING ONLY.
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Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 04:46:19 am
In response to the previous five or so pages:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As an alternative to brain bleach, I recommend the following be taken immediately.
Flutterwonder (http://youtu.be/viTkj0eu-fk)
PMV - The Stars Will Aid In Her Escape (Cosmic Love) (http://youtu.be/rV_0n5gp1fE)
Avast Fluttershy's Ass (http://youtu.be/NbIGnY_DSIE)
Hardware Store (PONY STYLE) ( ﾟヮﾟ) (http://youtu.be/1FwtC-1bpx0)
Intensive Pony Unit (http://youtu.be/GyXg_MJeeuw)
Rarity's parallel to Flutterwonder. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTugwPjEa2k&feature=channel_video_title)
Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 05:01:42 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 05:18:25 am
Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 05:24:13 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 05:33:38 am
Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 05:50:57 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 05:58:49 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 06:00:31 am
First time I hear the "pluperfect" word as well. Oh well, learn something new every day...
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 06:04:43 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 06:06:32 am
(or wait, is that the correct tense? "Knew" would be past, "used to know" past perfect? Or not? Argh, damn you, English language! I have enough trouble focusing on things I write without worrying about intricacies of the ten point half billion tenses.)
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 06:09:06 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 06:14:49 am
Let's switch back to ponies.
How long does it usually take EqD to review a fic? Something's taking them too long. Not that it's really bad for us, since it gives us more time to get the second part streamlined, but...
Also, is Impending still impending? He should post what he has to the google doc so that we can at least see if it's all going in the right direction.
Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 06:17:02 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 06:26:31 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 06:28:14 am
And sure, now I'm thinking of more weird tenses. Like I don't have anything else to do. ("will have used to know"? Referring to a future state in which an event has been completed at some point in the past? Does that even make sense?)
Do you mean a Future Perfect or a Future Pluperfect?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 06:33:47 am
I mean a... *brings up the Wiki*... huh. Apparently, a "Posterior tense". Figures. Can't go ten feet on the internet without bumping into some kind of posterior.And sure, now I'm thinking of more weird tenses. Like I don't have anything else to do. ("will have used to know"? Referring to a future state in which an event has been completed at some point in the past? Does that even make sense?)
Do you mean a Future Perfect or a Future Pluperfect?
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 06:39:26 am
I will do it. - Future
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 06:42:03 am
Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 07:04:33 am
If 'gh' is pronounced like in 'laugh'
and 'o' is pronounced like in 'women'
and 'ti' is pronounced like in 'complication'
then 'ghoti' is pronounced exactly the same as 'fish'.
WELCOME TO THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, ASSHOLE.
And with that, I bid you goodnight.
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 07:07:33 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 07:08:28 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 07:09:50 am
Swghoti!
Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 07:09:57 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 07:11:34 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 07:12:51 am
Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 07:13:38 am
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If 'gh' is pronounced like in 'laugh'
and 'o' is pronounced like in 'women'
and 'ti' is pronounced like in 'complication'
then 'ghoti' is pronounced exactly the same as 'fish'
EDIT: What the fuck are we doing.
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 07:17:41 am
Post by: Armok on November 11, 2011, 09:42:31 am
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The genetics of pony type always made most sense to me like this:
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Please tell me this is a result of the most cracky Homestuck/MLP shipfic ever.
I must repeat my early warning. FOR THE BRONZE PICKLE'S VIEWING ONLY.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Don't use ANY multiplier, not a low one for shielding nor a high one for sensitivity. Square it instead, to get it always positive and with a polynomial scaling factor.something sad, yet heartwarmingIndeed.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Damn, it'd almost be worth it not to be so mentally distanced if it meant being able to create pieces like these.
Unfortunately, almost. As long as there're stuff like the second part of Friends In Need around, I'll much prefer to keep my barriers up.
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Edit: I suddenly get the feeling that creating a pony RP entitled "The Creepy Pony RP" would actually be a really good idea. I think that there must be something displacing the oxygen in my house. Or maybe I'm just tired.If all this other stuff is any indication, I want to join this SO BAD. Please let me.
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I'm still waiting for the ultimate crossover where everything gets crossed over with everything. If it's anything like the shit that goes on in my head, it'll end with everyone from Anakin Skywalker to Zeruel fighting in a battle that makes the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Desiny look like a quick scuffle between a few bacteria. Still haven't exactly figured out where ponies might fit in, maybe nonlethal combatants and support.You mean like this: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5389450/1/The_Finale_of_the_Ultimate_Meta_Mega_Crossover
Haven't actually read it myself, because I plan on reading those books and don't want to get them spoiled, but from what I hear it should be perfect.
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O_O
This is amazing. This is good and you should feel good. You are a true master of postmodernism. This is the BEST. THING. EVER.
Please tell me there is more...
((Also, the google docs mirror is missing the first part.))
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 10:22:44 am
As for phase multipliers... well, setting the filter to square and normalize the incoming signal might work, but it'd reduce the fidelity on the output. I think I'll just spend more time on this and get some memetic filtering subroutine set up on the input stream to selectively phase out specific patterns and allow my usual array of surge absorbers to deal with any weird shit that gets through. Hey, I can probably figure out how to fit a fixed-output-strength signal buffer module on the input processor in the hardware-wetware interface, and save on the energy cost to run the barriers, since that would give more time for the memetic filter to do its thing as the signal surges are softened. Yeah, might work.
Also, I officially hate Skyrim. Not because it's a bad game, but because it's a long game. It's already made me spend three or four hours today, hours that could be spent drawing something. The last thing I need right now is a distraction.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 10:35:30 am
Oh dear god, I'm actually writing this. Pen just interviewed Silver Spoon by accident after getting horribly lost, then somewhat less horribly but still pretty badly lost on top of that. And I'm writing in present tense, on TBP's advice. Why I listen to writing advice from him/her/___ after that... that fic, I have no idea, but it is a little easier than past tense.
Make sure to do a lot of your writing in the present tense. "Pen is crossing the bridge." "Pen is baking a cake." "Pen is penetrating the enemy defenses."
(http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/150/i/2011/266/1/b/liarjack_animated__gif_by_kyrospawn-d4ao49a.jpg)
Spoiler: Still my favorite pony spray (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: I made it in a moment of weakness (and boredom) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: CMC about to have a bunch of fun (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Isn't she just the cutest? (click to show/hide)
Re: The collab: It isn't bad enough to get rejected outright. There haven't been many new stories posted lately; could be that their prereaders are busy/wading through a huge pile of rubbish.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 10:41:45 am
Also, how the freaking hell do people draw hair like that?
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 10:43:34 am
Dat Fluttershy.Sell their souls to brain-melting cosmic horrors.
Also, how the freaking hell do people draw hair like that?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 10:49:51 am
In the meantime, after all the talk about emotional pieces and me being unable to grasp the concepts necessary for their production, I decided to try and prove myself... well, something. Either right or wrong will do. Just an experiment, essentially. So I set about trying to design some kind of scene that'd work. Unfortunately, with Skyrim cutting into my time, I only managed a few teeny tiny sketches, only one of which turned out in any way "nice".
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Post by: Armok on November 11, 2011, 11:06:30 am
@getting good at art: Actually, keep doing exactly what you're doing now for a few years: watch, study, discus existing works from varied sources (the styles are actually quite varied even thou it's all pony related). And draw a lot, which you seems to be doing for the fic.
/missingthepoint
Post by: Jimmy on November 11, 2011, 11:15:51 am
AppleJack Speedpaint/Recording (http://youtu.be/GpaSuGkhiCk)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 11:19:17 am
Yeah, probably.
In the meantime, after all the talk about emotional pieces and me being unable to grasp the concepts necessary for their production, I decided to try and prove myself... well, something. Either right or wrong will do. Just an experiment, essentially. So I set about trying to design some kind of scene that'd work. Unfortunately, with Skyrim cutting into my time, I only managed a few teeny tiny sketches, only one of which turned out in any way "nice".FD, you might recognize where that is from. ;)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Needs to be done! :D
Actually, I've been thinking. Since we're doing gdocs, we can imbed images in the text. You know what that means: your art is going to be in every chapter, making this even better!
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 11:50:38 am
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I don't have any actual drafts yet, but I've already figured out a few things we can do to turn FiN into something genuinely readable. I might start writing them down once I'm done illustating.But you know, it won't be fair to leave half of the fic as bare text. :evilgrin:
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 12:06:28 pm
Also, hell yes to embedded illustations.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But you know, it won't be fair to leave half of the fic as bare text. :evilgrin:
If you do that, you will win the internets. All of them. ;D
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 02:53:30 pm
Also, how are you organizing that sequel thing? Solely through PMs or is there a thread somewhere?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 02:55:38 pm
Post by: Armok on November 11, 2011, 03:44:20 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 03:45:40 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 03:47:04 pm
Please save the all the deranged RP somewhere even if you're not going to end up using all of it.Totally seconded. The Fniff x Pinkie Pie RP was... strange, but fun to read nonetheless. And it probably isn't the only RP you have done or will do that will probably not have a place in the story, so it's a shame if those all went to waste.
Post by: Dsarker on November 11, 2011, 03:47:57 pm
Post by: Zangi on November 11, 2011, 03:50:52 pm
########################################################Interesting interpretation, for reference on Alicorns...
The genetics of pony type always made most sense to me like this:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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He's the great great great great great great great great great great great (and probably even more greats) nephew on Celestia's and Luna's mother's side, about 52 times removed, roughly speaking. I would have preferred to call him a Duke, but someone in the approval process thought kids wouldn't know what a Duke is. Luna and Celestia have no siblings and no children. Also that's a fan name, he has no official name on the show. (http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1603670/1932962564)
Here is some guess work with Alicorn in the equation with yours as the basis.
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 04:00:07 pm
########################################################Interesting interpretation, for reference on Alicorns...
The genetics of pony type always made most sense to me like this:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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He's the great great great great great great great great great great great (and probably even more greats) nephew on Celestia's and Luna's mother's side, about 52 times removed, roughly speaking. I would have preferred to call him a Duke, but someone in the approval process thought kids wouldn't know what a Duke is. Luna and Celestia have no siblings and no children. Also that's a fan name, he has no official name on the show. (http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1603670/1932962564)
Here is some guess work with Alicorn in the equation with yours as the basis.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've always thought that was strange. I knew what a Duke was (at least in the general sense of being in the upper tier of nobility) when I was six.
Post by: Fniff on November 11, 2011, 04:07:56 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 04:30:20 pm
Say, ap is pegasus, au is unicorn, and A is earth pony. Sex determines which of the recessives ends up dominant if one of each is provided, with XX preferential to unicorns and XY preferential to pegasi. Alicornism is either a rare mutation, a trisomy-based disorder, or linked to a sexual gene disorder like XXX, XXY, XYY, XO, etc.
As a mutation, it could possibly also be inflicted by a special gene-modifying spell, allowing the alicorns to pass on their power.
Post by: Armok on November 11, 2011, 04:58:12 pm
Also, my suggestion for the alicorn mutation is simply AAaa tetrasomy. This is a show for small kids after all and they might not understand to much advanced genetics. :p
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 05:09:45 pm
Your model is more elegant, but like you said, nature tends to be inelegant, and from what we've seen my model seems to fit the active genetic makeup of Equestria ever so slightly better. Besides, at least it's not resting on the interactions of 10 different genes.
Post by: Armok on November 11, 2011, 05:36:41 pm
And yea.
Post by: Toady One on November 11, 2011, 06:51:28 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 11, 2011, 06:53:48 pm
:/
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 07:05:31 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 07:14:11 pm
What, did Necro derail this thread? Or was it a different thread? Or what happened? I've seen Necro derail a lot of threads, but not this one.
Looks like it. Doesn't really surprise me; he said a few pages back that he had already gotten warned twice for derails. :-\
Well, I have seen Toady three times in my stay here at Bay12. All three times, he's cleaned up the pony threads.
:/
At least this time it wasn't a lock for people posting a bunch of rule 34 stuff as a 'joke'.
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Possibly the only Whooves image I've seen that isn't a reference to the Doctor. Creativity, yay~.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 11, 2011, 07:26:44 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 07:33:55 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 07:36:12 pm
Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 07:41:43 pm
Post by: Furtuka on November 11, 2011, 07:42:33 pm
Post by: Tlc2011 on November 11, 2011, 07:43:07 pm
I'm only NOW interested in MLP...Is it on netflix?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 07:44:52 pm
Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 07:46:16 pm
According to the moderation log, an image involving rape jokesOh, I know which picture that is. Or, if not the one I'm thinking of, I know the series.
And I have no idea if it's on Netflix. I either watch the episodes on Synchtube or Youtube. Or Livestream, if I stay up late.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 07:49:54 pm
Spoiler: IIRC, Necro was muted because of (click to show/hide)
I'm not going to elaborate on that.
As for the videos, there's tons on youtube. I watch Cyzzacle's 1080pony episode videos, since they're quite hi-def, and they load fast.
Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 08:00:46 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 11, 2011, 08:01:02 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 08:04:19 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 08:14:32 pm
I heard that there were some bans on Youtube, but apparently all the hi-def vids are still up and running.
Apparently the bans were mostly of streaming channels, and a good number of 1080p videos are still up. I've been meaning to finish downloading them, anyway, so I should get on that.
Post by: Telgin on November 11, 2011, 08:18:03 pm
Yeah. I think he should have chill discussions with some fans of his on the forums, obviously excluding DF Talk segments.
Agreed. Out of curiosity I checked his posts, and it seems that the overwhelming majority of his posts are moderation related. Commendable that he keeps tabs on that so well, but I do wonder why he doesn't participate in discussions more.
I'm gonna miss Necro for the next week. His posts were always entertaining.
On topic, are there DVDs for this yet? I looked around a little bit and the only thing I see is something about pre ordering them. I've heard the episodes are available on iTunes or something though, is that still true? Haven't used iTunes in probably 5 years.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 08:22:43 pm
I'm guessing it'll get posted on EqD soon and after that you basically have no chance of joining because of a maximum number of 100 viewers. Of course, there's also Filly2, Filly4 and what-have-you, but those are pretty empty right now.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 08:24:47 pm
Same here. His MAGMA shouts were always entertaining, if it came from him. Well, I guess we'll get to see him next week.Yeah. I think he should have chill discussions with some fans of his on the forums, obviously excluding DF Talk segments.I'm gonna miss Necro for the next week. His posts were always entertaining.
About the show and most of it's musical fanbase, are there some voices only, no background noise/music audio?
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 08:46:44 pm
Yeah. I think he should have chill discussions with some fans of his on the forums, obviously excluding DF Talk segments.
Agreed. Out of curiosity I checked his posts, and it seems that the overwhelming majority of his posts are moderation related. Commendable that he keeps tabs on that so well, but I do wonder why he doesn't participate in discussions more.
I'm gonna miss Necro for the next week. His posts were always entertaining.
On topic, are there DVDs for this yet? I looked around a little bit and the only thing I see is something about pre ordering them. I've heard the episodes are available on iTunes or something though, is that still true? Haven't used iTunes in probably 5 years.
They're selling overpriced 3 and 4 episode DVDs in some stores.
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Post by: Zaerosz on November 11, 2011, 08:57:08 pm
He got a score of 3.
Post by: Fniff on November 11, 2011, 08:57:31 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 09:06:49 pm
Oh, and is Alexander there?
Post by: Fniff on November 11, 2011, 09:09:48 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 09:12:29 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 11, 2011, 09:13:14 pm
Also, the Mareathon (http://www.synchtube.com/r/Filly) just started. See you there, maybe!*first thing seen in the chat room is "that's AJ's fetish."*
*Second thing seen is a gif of Celestia's plot*
Yeah no.
Post by: Fniff on November 11, 2011, 09:14:31 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 09:14:57 pm
Anyway, I felt that Pinkie's character wasn't very consistent throughout this episode. I can't quite pin it down, but that's just how I felt. Also, I'm a bit surprised that Jeremy was like "Yep, that's a human, a talking pink pony and a boy with pink hair. Nothing unusual here."
Tom is very amusing, though.
Post by: Telgin on November 11, 2011, 09:16:47 pm
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Yeah, I could do that, but as I mentioned some time ago I have an honest streak and don't like to even watch the episodes on Youtube where it seems that Hasbro doesn't want them up there. Well, I watch Youtube Poop related to ponies, but that's a little different.
Besides, buying the episodes in a legit manner lends support to the show. I haven't manned up to buy any of the other merchandise yet. From what I understand the toys aren't for the bronies, and I can't think of where I could safely wear a pony shirt. :)
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 09:17:13 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 11, 2011, 09:20:03 pm
Remember, Jeremy is British, and the universe he lives in is incredibly strange.
Kraenk: The little ol' guy is probably floating around somewhere in some damp room in the archive tunnels that hasn't been drained. Fniff does have a pet Kraenek-like thing named Howard, so they might get along fine.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 09:21:42 pm
This... does not bode well. I am actually interested in this fanfic, but if it goes, well, places that are filled with blood, I would have to stop reading it. =(
Post by: Fniff on November 11, 2011, 09:24:31 pm
...
We are looking for other writers/roleplayers, though... If you want, you can write a short thing explaining why your character is wandering around/squatting in Brennenberg, and we can link you to the doc...
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 09:26:50 pm
It won't, honestly.Thanks for the offer, but I'm not really comfortable with writing, especially not in English. The last time I've written anything story-shaped was in a succession game about two years ago and I wasn't exactly happy with that.
...
We are looking for other writers/roleplayers, though... If you want, you can write a short thing explaining why your character is wandering around/squatting in Brennenberg, and we can link you to the doc...
I might try writing again, but don't hold your breath. ^^
Also, Necro910 says hello to his bros. BTW, he got muted for his Molestia joke. Which I didn't even see. What a shame.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 09:29:34 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 11, 2011, 09:30:49 pm
By the way, ponies are on Earth so feel free to be a pony if you wish. As you may know, I'm sort of playing as Pinkie Pie. Who, by the way, was really cranky from having to take an uncomfortable plane-ride and an uncomfortable car-ride in vehicles still designed completely for humans.
If you were Lyra, that would've been a different story.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 09:36:24 pm
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Yeah, I could do that, but as I mentioned some time ago I have an honest streak and don't like to even watch the episodes on Youtube where it seems that Hasbro doesn't want them up there. Well, I watch Youtube Poop related to ponies, but that's a little different.
Besides, buying the episodes in a legit manner lends support to the show. I haven't manned up to buy any of the other merchandise yet. From what I understand the toys aren't for the bronies, and I can't think of where I could safely wear a pony shirt. :)
See, I'd buy a box set of Season 1 if it existed, and if I wasn't broke. Also, as I recall, all the takedowns of YT videos thusfar have been trolls, which is why there are still plenty of people with episodes up.
On the other hand, I've got a shirt from WeLoveFine, and another three on the way, so I am certainly supporting merch for bronies. And I wear them in public. On campus in a small, rural town in Kentucky. :P
Unrelated, the synchtube playlist: Oh gog the comments...
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 09:37:47 pm
If you were Lyra, that would've been a different story.
Lyra's probably bouncing around some human town having a field day. Bon Bon's probably trying to hunt her down and bring her home.
Derpy's probably just trying to figure out all the new addresses she's going to have to deliver to.
Slag may or may not be roaming around some African country having the time of his life hunting mercenaries, because everyone knows that the better they can defend themselves, the funner they are to kill. And the 'redemption' of protecting the 'innocent' from the 'evil guys' is just a bonus.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 09:38:51 pm
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 09:44:52 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 11, 2011, 09:46:20 pm
But now, I'm tempted to write something. I read your Lyra suggestion and immediately thought that Lyra was already claimed by Bon-Bon, the popular fan theory based soley on the fact that the two show up in the same scenes, sometimes, in the background. I want to write a LyraxAnything ship now.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 09:47:43 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 09:58:55 pm
How about Lyra/BonBon/Scratch/Tavi/Whooves/Derpy? All at the same time, of course. Or a love hexagon.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 11, 2011, 10:06:34 pm
Cool to think about, though. I love the hexagon idea :p
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 10:18:51 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 10:31:42 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 11, 2011, 10:33:19 pm
Problem is, I can't think of anything outlandish enough to be writable while still being outlandish. Know what I mean? :p
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 10:35:20 pm
I also want to do outlandish Rainbow ships to parody the RainbowxEverything movement :pIt's like the golden rule of the internet. You can never tell if something is a parody or if the writer really is that stupid. Look at Youtube comments.
Problem is, I can't think of anything outlandish enough to be writable while still being outlandish. Know what I mean? :p
In other words, no RainbowXSomething is outlandish enough because someone out there thought the same thing, but was serious.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 10:39:14 pm
Hsad Wobnair, self-proclaimed greatest flyer from a town with an unpronounceable name.
I'm sorry, I just woke up and my brain isn't firing an all cylinders. Which might be a good thing if you're going for 'outlandish'. :P
Post by: Furtuka on November 11, 2011, 10:39:32 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 10:42:44 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 10:45:17 pm
...too outlandish?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 10:51:08 pm
Cue Bay12 pony thread simulator 2.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 11, 2011, 10:58:28 pm
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 11:03:53 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 11:07:01 pm
Alternately: Rainbow DashxEntire Royal Guard.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 11:08:37 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 11, 2011, 11:13:47 pm
But give me a minute for RianbowxShipping. I'll put something together... hopefully...
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 11:15:37 pm
Get me writing something romantic. I'll go Attack of the Clones all over you :pOkay, THAT would certainly be outlandish enough and depending on how you portray "Shipping" (I can't believe I'm writing this), it would make the satirical/parody nature of the story quite obvious.
But give me a minute for RianbowxShipping. I'll put something together... hopefully...
Post by: Flying Dice on November 11, 2011, 11:15:43 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 11, 2011, 11:18:20 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 11, 2011, 11:20:32 pm
Alternately, physically "shipping" Rainbow somewhere. Derpy may be involved.Okay, I get it, it's not that impossible to write an obvious parody-fic.
Anyway, this thread is going weird and strange places. Places that for once do not involve gore. I'm okay with this.
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110609170203/gyropedia/images/thumb/9/90/TwilightShrug.png/185px-TwilightShrug.png)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 11, 2011, 11:36:23 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 12, 2011, 12:08:04 am
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This, with 3,000 words.
Post by: Jimmy on November 12, 2011, 12:10:32 am
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+1 to you good sir. Excellent work.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 12, 2011, 12:33:44 am
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Arrgh... I'm tired and need to get up tomorrow morning. Damn, that actually ended up being serious. Ah well, enjoy. Or not. Not happy with the way it turned out, but you try having any interaction with abstract ideas :/ This was the best I could come up with.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 12, 2011, 12:37:08 am
I'm not a fan of these kind of works... not that I read any, mind you. Still, I did suggest it myself, so I guess I've no-one else to blame. For something I'm not sure I want to read, it's fairly good.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Now, if this wasn't written by TBP, I could at least have taken comfort in that RD will not get accidentally stuck in a railworks warehouse, wrong side up under a shipment of rail spikes. As it is, I think I better start storing up bronze and gold leaf for the memorial statue.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 12, 2011, 12:58:22 am
*devilish grin*
Post by: Dsarker on November 12, 2011, 01:04:10 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 12, 2011, 01:05:23 am
What about BloombergxEveryone?
= Pollen?
Bloomberg pollinating everypony in town, because radioactive wastes?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 12, 2011, 01:12:43 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 12, 2011, 01:16:50 am
Bloomberg x Tom x Smartypants x Big Macintosh
There. You've got an inanimate object love triangle, with Big Macintosh and Tom competing for Smartypant's affection.
Post by: Jimmy on November 12, 2011, 02:51:05 am
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Arrgh... I'm tired and need to get up tomorrow morning. Damn, that actually ended up being serious. Ah well, enjoy. Or not. Not happy with the way it turned out, but you try having any interaction with abstract ideas :/ This was the best I could come up with.
I enjoyed it, but it really did seem too good-ish-like! You need to further out, man.
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 12, 2011, 05:23:14 am
I've got this as my desktop background now. I like it.I'm sure you do.
Post by: Dsarker on November 12, 2011, 05:26:24 am
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Post by: Dsarker on November 12, 2011, 07:18:38 am
Post by: Fniff on November 12, 2011, 07:39:43 am
Bloomberg x Tom?
Tom hasn't even hit puberty. He's eight. A pretty smart eight year old due to both his pony genes and his Sarcastic Mini-Element status, but eight nonetheless. I doubt he would like a romantic relationship right now.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 12, 2011, 08:09:24 am
Author's Note: Artistic license taken with the chronology of events in order to make the story work. Not as difficult as I'd thought to form a love triangle with three inanimate objects.Spoiler: Train of Thought (click to show/hide)
Nice! Now... do a Big MacxSweetieandScootaloo.
*Gets banned*
I've seen some of you saying that Celestia isn't pink. Well, I expect it to change after this totally legit image.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I would only consider it legit if it were a picture of somepony skinning somepony and wearing it as a dress, complete with horn and wing.
Post by: Fniff on November 12, 2011, 08:55:30 am
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 12, 2011, 10:34:26 am
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Post by: kaijyuu on November 12, 2011, 11:49:16 am
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 12, 2011, 12:02:20 pm
Also, I deleted the Skyrim shortcut from my desktop, but it's not helping. I think I'll just uninstall it. It does keep the saves when it's uninstalled, right? I kinda like my khajiit rogue character, so I'd like to play him again when I'm in less need of focus.
Because of Skyrim influence, over these last two days I only managed one first-pass sketch (the RD/Scootaloo experimental one) and one sketch-of-a-sketch with Frieden and Rarity, which I'm still trying to compose. Confound it, Bethesda, I'm trying to work here!
Post by: Flying Dice on November 12, 2011, 12:51:57 pm
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Also, I'm not certain, but you could probably find the save data somewhere in the game files and copy it to another folder.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 12, 2011, 02:15:23 pm
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Post by: MC Dirty on November 12, 2011, 02:27:59 pm
It's like the creators are actively trolling us.Spoiler: Derpy's family really is growing a lot recently (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 12, 2011, 02:30:41 pm
It's like the creators are actively trolling us.Spoiler: Derpy's family really is growing a lot recently (click to show/hide)
Well obviously what this really means is that Derpy has been the Doctor's companion since fillyhood. This visit to future Equestria just occured very recently after she joined him.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 12, 2011, 02:38:29 pm
Timey wimey ball indeed.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 12, 2011, 02:45:09 pm
Post by: Zangi on November 12, 2011, 02:47:25 pm
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 12, 2011, 02:57:51 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 12, 2011, 03:15:42 pm
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”Post by: kaijyuu on November 12, 2011, 03:58:42 pm
Lyra's name is canon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqxMT24V0IE
16:41
Turn your sound up and listen when Bon-Bon runs in the door.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 12, 2011, 04:06:02 pm
Further on the subject of Fanon....
Lyra's name is canon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqxMT24V0IE
16:41
Turn your sound up and listen when Bon-Bon runs in the door.
Direct link to it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MqxMT24V0IE#t=998s)
And yep, I heard it too. Canon now.
Also canon: Zecora is the Batmare.
Who else got really creeped out by Spike when Twilight got Rarihair?
Overall, I enjoyed the episode. Seems like quality is going up. I was a bit disappointed that they didn't have a Dude pony in the bowling alley, though.
Post by: Zangi on November 12, 2011, 04:09:05 pm
*snip*How the hay do people find stuff luck that?
Post by: kaijyuu on November 12, 2011, 04:10:11 pm
Also, I've never seen that show and just read the synopsis on tvtropes, but isn't the Dude one of these three? (https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/388123_274454845930005_219823134726510_755388_1427366938_n.jpg)
Post by: Dsarker on November 12, 2011, 04:11:20 pm
Post by: Armok on November 12, 2011, 05:46:02 pm
This is great, LOVE your characterization! Seriously, you failed at parody but succeeded amazingly at everything else. Mind if I steal your character for the RP?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Arrgh... I'm tired and need to get up tomorrow morning. Damn, that actually ended up being serious. Ah well, enjoy. Or not. Not happy with the way it turned out, but you try having any interaction with abstract ideas :/ This was the best I could come up with.
And Not A Clever Pony quits music. Vale. (http://iamnotacleverpony.deviantart.com/journal/Gone-Love-you-all-268575737)FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
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lots of stuff relating to a certain RPI could make infinite comments on this, but since it looks I'm going to be able to join and handle such things there I'll just say this: Wow.
Post by: Dsarker on November 12, 2011, 05:53:49 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 12, 2011, 05:59:13 pm
This is great, LOVE your characterization! Seriously, you failed at parody but succeeded amazingly at everything else. Mind if I steal your character for the RP?
You mean Fniff's roleplay? Have at it :D
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I seem to be incapable of writing parody, so... yeah. Thanks :D
Post by: MC Dirty on November 12, 2011, 06:08:10 pm
- A LOT OF STUFF -Oh wow, that is really awesome! Now I'm really tempted to write up something, too. But I don't really know what kind of character I could use. Not really sure on the universe this story/RP/whatever is set in.
I just noticed I used "really" in every single sentence. That's pretty terrible.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 12, 2011, 06:38:43 pm
Magic.
Also, I've never seen that show and just read the synopsis on tvtropes, but isn't the Dude one of these three? (https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/388123_274454845930005_219823134726510_755388_1427366938_n.jpg)
Holy crap! I thought those glasses looked familiar, but I didn't notice the rest of it at the time. I love them now. :D
Also, watch it now. One of the greatest movies of all time.
Post by: Fniff on November 12, 2011, 06:40:30 pm
- A LOT OF STUFF -Oh wow, that is really awesome! Now I'm really tempted to write up something, too. But I don't really know what kind of character I could use. Not really sure on the universe this story/RP/whatever is set in.
I just noticed I used "really" in every single sentence. That's pretty terrible.
Use any. Just give them a valid reason for wandering into Brennenberg.
Post by: lyn on November 12, 2011, 07:54:08 pm
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Post by: Dsarker on November 12, 2011, 07:57:57 pm
I'm not yet much acquainted with fanon, so please forgive me my ignorance about the following question concerning today's episode.No, only cutie pox.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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No, just cutie pox.
Anyway, hit up here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=93121.0) for more pony RP.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 12, 2011, 07:59:03 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 12, 2011, 08:44:31 pm
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Magic + no national-level competitive drive (or very much personal competition) actually explains this fairly well. Equestria has achieved a level of technology that allows ponies to live comfortably while also using their special talents on a daily basis. That isn't backward at all from an objective perspective. Why would they want to change this?
Post by: lyn on November 12, 2011, 09:06:23 pm
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Magic + no national-level competitive drive (or very much personal competition) actually explains this fairly well. Equestria has achieved a level of technology that allows ponies to live comfortably while also using their special talents on a daily basis. That isn't backward at all from an objective perspective. Why would they want to change this?
Sure, most of them are probably fine with the status quo.
But Twilight Sparkle having a telescope and reading in books about the composition of comets gives me the impression of actual research being conducted.
If they have no scientific drive or interest in technology, why do they care about the composition of comets and probably more?
/edit: And don't get me started about whatever it is Twilight Sparkle has in her basement. What would this be good for if they have no scientific drive?
Post by: Zangi on November 12, 2011, 09:09:11 pm
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 12, 2011, 09:14:02 pm
Humanity would have developed a hell of a lot more slowly if we never had wars. We've developed a good 70% of our technology as a way to defend ourselves from the advantages of our enemies as well as to kill them better. After the tech was developed though military spending, it became cheaper and was improved through the civilian market. Ponies have no military and no apparent budget for technological development, and the civilian market isn't getting much to build upon.
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 12, 2011, 09:32:50 pm
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Post by: lyn on November 12, 2011, 09:39:13 pm
They have scientific drive, but they have no real need for invention beyond what they have. Even the ones who would be interested in developing new technology can't get the funding.
Humanity would have developed a hell of a lot more slowly if we never had wars. We've developed a good 70% of our technology as a way to defend ourselves from the advantages of our enemies as well as to kill them better. After the tech was developed though military spending, it became cheaper and was improved through the civilian market. Ponies have no military and no apparent budget for technological development, and the civilian market isn't getting much to build upon.
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/edit: Thinking about it, whatever Twilight used on Pinky Pie could very much be one of these inventions.
Post by: Dsarker on November 12, 2011, 09:44:07 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 12, 2011, 09:55:16 pm
Ponies simply don't think like that; we do.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 12, 2011, 10:06:26 pm
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Ponies would probably be kinda interested in us. Once they got bored, though, they'd pretty much ignore us unless populations and cultures started blending (and not just a handful of curious ponies or humans willing to drop everything and switch worlds). Humans would probably be similar in standpoint. No advanced tech means nothing to gain from cultural study, and while precious gems are certainly pretty, the pony world seems to have few resources we'd really put industrial value on. Humans might move just to get to a more pristine and less populated world, but that's about it.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 12, 2011, 10:12:13 pm
Also:
Quote from: Equestria Daily
Note on new stories: The pre-read queue is pretty backed up right now, so expect some delays on stories being reviewed. The best way to get through it quickly, is to submit something fully edited and ready for posting
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 12, 2011, 10:15:35 pm
I'm guessing that EqD either forgot about us, heard about the plan and are for some reason giving us the silent treatment, or are just swamped with work at the moment.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 12, 2011, 10:16:14 pm
I've been wondering about that as well.
I'm guessing that EqD either forgot about us, heard about the plan and are for some reason giving us the silent treatment, or are just swamped with work at the moment.
See my above post. This was in the an update just a little while ago:
Quote from: Equestria Daily
Note on new stories: The pre-read queue is pretty backed up right now, so expect some delays on stories being reviewed. The best way to get through it quickly, is to submit something fully edited and ready for posting
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 12, 2011, 10:17:39 pm
Here's hoping those other two options don't come into play.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 12, 2011, 10:18:49 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 12, 2011, 10:21:01 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 12, 2011, 10:22:18 pm
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Huge amounts of d'aww, but really depressing too. Mixed emotions, hnng.
Also, try to find Pinkie. :P
Post by: lyn on November 12, 2011, 11:53:05 pm
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Post by: Jimmy on November 13, 2011, 01:11:31 am
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Huge amounts of d'aww, but really depressing too. Mixed emotions, hnng.
Also, try to find Pinkie. :P
I saw references to AJ, Rarity, Fluttershy and of course Pinkie Pie and Twilight, but couldn't find any links to Rainbow Dash in that pic. Anyone else spot one?
Edit: And found it. All the Mane 6 are there. Yay for bittersweet, thank you Flying Dice.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 13, 2011, 01:14:37 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on November 13, 2011, 01:29:06 am
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Anyway, I wonder why ponies would need hazmat suits...
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 01:50:20 am
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Huge amounts of d'aww, but really depressing too. Mixed emotions, hnng.
Also, try to find Pinkie. :P
I saw references to AJ, Rarity, Fluttershy and of course Pinkie Pie and Twilight, but couldn't find any links to Rainbow Dash in that pic. Anyone else spot one?
Edit: And found it. All the Mane 6 are there. Yay for bittersweet, thank you Flying Dice.
Actually, there is something else related to Pinkie apart from the balloon. Look at the middle of the right side of the image. ;)
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 02:31:39 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 13, 2011, 02:42:58 am
Sorry for being so analytical, can't help it. I just can't form a defined response to the image without some context information. The one Dsarker posted (the "He was too strong" one) communicates the context beautifully, even if the exact events are unclear, so I can enjoy both the art and the response it induces in me. With this piece, I mostly appreciate the art and detail, but the response it's supposed to evoke eludes me. 'Tis kinda odd.
Post by: Jay on November 13, 2011, 02:44:31 am
Can't imagine they'd be having a parade with bright-colored streamers if it's supposed to be about death, but I've seen stranger things, I suppose...
Damn vaguely philosophical pony pictures.
EDIT: Am I the only one who thinks that Spike just looks totally wrong with that figure? I mean... He's a dragon, not a parade balloon!
....Wait! Is that...? Could that be the context...?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 13, 2011, 02:52:55 am
(and speaking of carriages, I didn't notice the Stealth Pun from the Nightmare Night episode until I read some TVtropes, although I did recognize the similarities. Goes with not having English as a first language, I guess. Princess Luna, a winged unicorn, enters the scene on a funeral carriage pulled by pegasi. In other words, a flying horse on a flying hearse. :P)
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 03:02:59 am
Post by: LordBucket on November 13, 2011, 03:09:21 am
This is the first time since season 2 started that I realized after an episode was released rather than knew and anticipated it in advance. I take that to mean my interest in post-Faust ponies is diminishing.
Downloading now. I like the CMC, and this episode is apparently about them...but after the season 2 disappointments so far, maybe it would be better for me to not expect too much.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 13, 2011, 03:27:31 am
Post by: The Master on November 13, 2011, 03:41:01 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlLo3S5s-FU&feature=related
Just...BWAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
Post by: LordBucket on November 13, 2011, 04:13:29 am
It's always better not to expect too much. If you're right, you're less disappointed.
If you're wrong, you're very happy to be wrong.
Well, just finished the new episode. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad. I never laughed while watching it, but I did smile. They do seem to be generally improving. A few things do stand out as strange about the episode, but probably nothing that others haven't already pointed out.
Meh.
Maybe I'll go watch some Powerpuff Girls.
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 04:53:36 am
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Post by: Zangi on November 13, 2011, 12:14:27 pm
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 13, 2011, 12:20:29 pm
Wait a second is she wearing the Kirin armor? [/fridgehorror]Seems to be. What's so bad about it?
Post by: Furtuka on November 13, 2011, 12:21:51 pm
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Post by: Zangi on November 13, 2011, 12:26:18 pm
CANNIBALISM!!!!! AT LEAST PINKIE PIE HIDES IT!Cannibalism is when you eat em... butchering for parts isn't the same...
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 12:48:42 pm
CANNIBALISM!!!!! AT LEAST PINKIE PIE HIDES IT!Cannibalism is when you eat em... butchering for parts isn't the same...
But still creepy. Hence why I avoid leather in my fanfic.
Also, because someone has to say it: DAT PLOT. If I recall correctly the caption for that on EqD was something along the lines of "Looks like the rules for female armor applies to ponies, too".
Speaking of my fanfic, I finally got to the flamethrowers in the chapter that I finally stopped procrastinating about, which practically every commentator wanted to see. Now if only I could stop screwing around and finish the darn thing.
Ed: Halfway done, and here is a short little passage.
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Post by: MC Dirty on November 13, 2011, 02:23:50 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 02:55:07 pm
(http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/097/663/original/whywouldyoudothat.jpg?1297133519)
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Post by: Crazy Cow on November 13, 2011, 03:00:09 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 03:36:09 pm
Beautiful. Where's the whole story, may I ask?
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/10/story-to-set-right.html# (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/10/story-to-set-right.html#)
Only 4 parts up, plus the one I'm working on (which has taken a while because I'm lazy). Apart from that, the plot doesn't kick off until around part 6ish. But enjoy! :D
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 03:37:30 pm
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Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 03:48:57 pm
I'm trying to fill the gaping void that used to be my soul with happiness and rainbows.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 03:55:08 pm
Hmmm. Not much to my interest, unfortunately.
I'm trying to fill the gaping void that used to be my soul with happiness and rainbows.
Oh, don't worry. Once the OCs find
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 13, 2011, 03:57:22 pm
I even invented a pony for the purpose, Delta Pi. A simpler body shape helps get the basic things right first.
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(Want to practice your drawing skills? There's a pony for that.)
Post by: Fniff on November 13, 2011, 03:59:07 pm
Post by: Armok on November 13, 2011, 04:44:39 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 13, 2011, 05:04:20 pm
I think not being on model is a much bigger problem really. Here's a thread with a lot of help: http://www.ponychan.net/chan/art/res/6357.htmlIf you mean me, being off model is intentional. A slightly more serious design scheme than the show uses, though I still try to keep some of the elements.
Made this one a little while ago to try and keep my own style consistent. (doesn't always work, but I'm used to it being that way, heh)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/PegasiSbS2.png)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 05:10:37 pm
Why is it so easy to make Spike creepy?
Also, I would have posted the LunaxPip comic that is up on the EqD frontpage, but Sweetie Belle's hornboner and Scoot's wingboner would probably push that into mute territory. It is absolutely hilarious, though.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 13, 2011, 05:27:53 pm
But anyway, I'm pretty sure you could make anyone creepy with only a little work.
Post by: Fniff on November 13, 2011, 05:32:11 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 13, 2011, 05:34:18 pm
Is that Twilight? I can't really tell.It's Rarity!Twilight:
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Post by: Crazy Cow on November 13, 2011, 05:35:34 pm
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Also, Rainbow Factory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRx_iXgLAyw) is a pretty cool song.
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 05:36:27 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 05:37:08 pm
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Also, Rainbow Factory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRx_iXgLAyw) is a pretty cool song.
Ftfy.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 05:37:18 pm
Is that Twilight? I can't really tell.
But anyway, I'm pretty sure you could make anyone creepy with only a little work.
Yeah, the implication was that Spike was cutting her hair to match Rarity's while she slept.
Also, I got a massive laugh from this:
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The Pipsqueak date night is...uh...interesting.
You mean disturbing yet funny. :P
Have some 'Tavi. :D
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Post by: Loud Whispers on November 13, 2011, 07:35:16 pm
Necro...?
-_-
BRONIES! I BID YOU THIS!
Do you think Equestria is named after the Ancient Greek Equestrian horse events taken place during the olympics, or, you know, is just a name supposed to promote
Post by: kaijyuu on November 13, 2011, 07:37:19 pm
"Equestrian" means "horse-like," or "relating to horses."
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 13, 2011, 07:37:57 pm
And forget a lot more everyday :D
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 07:45:10 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 07:49:53 pm
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Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 07:59:31 pm
Oh, and the artist who did that comic with Pip?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wasn't going to!
Post by: drilltooth on November 13, 2011, 08:04:41 pm
*whistles innocently*
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Also, Rainbow Factory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRx_iXgLAyw) is a pretty cool song.
eeyup. although, the fic went in different direction than the song led me to think.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 13, 2011, 08:07:48 pm
Oh, and the artist who did that comic with Pip?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Now I need to go look. Shmuck you in advance.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 08:37:00 pm
Oh, and the artist who did that comic with Pip?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Now I need to go look. Shmuck you in advance.
Seriously, don't. You will regret it so fucking much.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 13, 2011, 08:46:43 pm
b) I doubt I'll be that fazed. I'm jaded from prior internet experiences.
Now that I've said that I know I'm going to find something far worse than anything I've ever seen before. It'll be the Azathoth of the Internet. And I will go insane and start chanting in Cthulhuspeak and form a cult around human sacrifice.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 13, 2011, 08:56:43 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 13, 2011, 08:58:29 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 09:01:45 pm
Why?
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Post by: kaijyuu on November 13, 2011, 09:05:24 pm
But anyway.... NEW TOPIC. Don't want a third closed thread.
NEW TOPIC IS NOW ABOUT ALLEY WAY
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Next big background pony everyone fawns over?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 13, 2011, 09:06:37 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 13, 2011, 09:09:01 pm
This may be due to Feeling Pinkie Keen filling me with rage, and (now) Lesson Zero filling me with disgust, but hey! It's also over 11 hours now.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 13, 2011, 09:18:37 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 10:16:57 pm
Also, make sure to marathon it twice. Because that is the best way to
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 13, 2011, 10:45:30 pm
FUCK YES
Excuse me for an hour or so.
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Post by: LordBucket on November 13, 2011, 11:00:51 pm
If you have any emotional attachment to or sympathy
for the Mane 6 or CMC, do not look at any of it.
Goodness, emotional attachment of sympathy for the cast of MLP. Why ever would someone with such feelings read a MLP thread?
I'm starting to wonder that myself. Seems like 2/3 of everything on EQD is either sad or grimdark, and I've just about stopped reading this thread for all the body horror and gore.
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 11:02:34 pm
Good job, everyone!
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 11:20:45 pm
We all want to troll you. We even got Lauren Faust in on it. She's still actually on the team, but she's deliberately making terrible episodes to annoy you.
Good job, everyone!
High-hooves all around! Thousands of people, a reputable website, and a production studio have conspired to troll LordBucket!
If you have any emotional attachment to or sympathy
for the Mane 6 or CMC, do not look at any of it.
Goodness, emotional attachment of sympathy for the cast of MLP. Why ever would someone with such feelings read a MLP thread?
I'm starting to wonder that myself. Seems like 2/3 of everything on EQD is either sad or grimdark, and I've just about stopped reading this thread for all the body horror and gore.
And for reference, I actually stumbled into that accidentally, and that was an honest warning. Most of that stuff crossed lines that shouldn't have been crossed, and I didn't want anyone else who has a habit of looking up artists' other works to run into it.
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 11:22:30 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 11:26:00 pm
You've actually tickled me into looking it up and catalogueing it. Not enough, but almost.
I'm being completely serious, don't. It might be that it caught me at a bad moment. Then again, it might be that pedorape-as-comedy with fillies is fucking sick. That was probably the worst of it, but I'm not about to go wading back into it to find out.
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 11:26:49 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 13, 2011, 11:33:34 pm
NEW TOPIC IS BACKGROUND PONIES
RAWR
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 11:44:13 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 13, 2011, 11:59:12 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 12:10:08 am
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Heh.
Seriously, what is with this meme? Because I love it.
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Post by: Crazy Cow on November 14, 2011, 12:11:50 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 14, 2011, 12:13:39 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 01:56:05 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 02:43:33 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 02:59:04 am
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 14, 2011, 03:09:27 am
I haven't looked at many things in Gavalanche's gallery due to FD's warning, but there was one that amused me. (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4a86aw)
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
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Post by: Zaerosz on November 14, 2011, 03:16:24 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 14, 2011, 03:19:08 am
But frankly though, Blueblood mustn't magically become a good guy, he should be growing from his jerka**ness, and into the prince Rarity wanted him to be.
AKA, I hate most Blueblood redeem fics.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 03:39:02 am
I haven't looked at many things in Gavalanche's gallery due to FD's warning, but there was one that amused me. (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4a86aw)
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
You remind me of the babe.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 03:40:47 am
Rarity and Redeemed!Blueblood.
But frankly though, Blueblood mustn't magically become a good guy, he should be growing from his jerka**ness, and into the prince Rarity wanted him to be.
AKA, I hate most Blueblood redeem fics.
Blueblood is a product of his times. Why should he 'redeem' himself?
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 03:52:00 am
What babe?I haven't looked at many things in Gavalanche's gallery due to FD's warning, but there was one that amused me. (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4a86aw)
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
You remind me of the babe.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 03:56:20 am
Babe with the power.What babe?I haven't looked at many things in Gavalanche's gallery due to FD's warning, but there was one that amused me. (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4a86aw)
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
You remind me of the babe.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 03:57:22 am
What power?Babe with the power.What babe?I haven't looked at many things in Gavalanche's gallery due to FD's warning, but there was one that amused me. (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4a86aw)
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
You remind me of the babe.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 03:58:13 am
Power of voodoo.What power?Babe with the power.What babe?I haven't looked at many things in Gavalanche's gallery due to FD's warning, but there was one that amused me. (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4a86aw)
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
You remind me of the babe.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 03:59:08 am
Who do?Power of voodoo.What power?Babe with the power.What babe?I haven't looked at many things in Gavalanche's gallery due to FD's warning, but there was one that amused me. (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4a86aw)
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
You remind me of the babe.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 03:59:45 am
You do!Who do?Power of voodoo.What power?Babe with the power.What babe?I haven't looked at many things in Gavalanche's gallery due to FD's warning, but there was one that amused me. (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4a86aw)
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
You remind me of the babe.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 04:00:19 am
Do what?You do!Who do?Power of voodoo.What power?Babe with the power.What babe?I haven't looked at many things in Gavalanche's gallery due to FD's warning, but there was one that amused me. (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4a86aw)
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
You remind me of the babe.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:01:21 am
Remind me of the babe!Do what?You do!Who do?Power of voodoo.What power?Babe with the power.What babe?I haven't looked at many things in Gavalanche's gallery due to FD's warning, but there was one that amused me. (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4a86aw)
Yes, it's perfectly Safe For Work and neither sick nor wrong.
Why do I get the feeling that every link and spoiler tag in this thread should have a similar disclaimer?
You remind me of the babe.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 04:02:30 am
Also, a quote pyramid? In this day and age? What is the world coming to?
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:04:31 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 14, 2011, 04:25:23 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:28:16 am
Post by: Zaerosz on November 14, 2011, 05:28:36 am
Rarity and Redeemed!Blueblood.Well, I suppose that solves that little problem. Now I just have to find someone for Applejack.
But frankly though, Blueblood mustn't magically become a good guy, he should be growing from his jerka**ness, and into the prince Rarity wanted him to be.
AKA, I hate most Blueblood redeem fics.
(the rest of my list is Twilight/humble!Trixie, Fluttershy/Big Macintosh, Rainbow Dash/Spitfire. I have no idea who would be shipped with Pinkie, if anyone. She doesn't exactly strike me as the type for any sort of extended romance.)
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 06:00:50 am
I probably missed some and I'm gonna edit it whenever someone posts a new one.
Post by: Fniff on November 14, 2011, 06:25:28 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 07:00:36 am
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Post by: Crazy Cow on November 14, 2011, 07:24:51 am
I've just put together all the short fanfics (http://pastebin.com/7XswZYdX) that have been posted in this thread since I joined (which was on page 20-something-or-other). This includes, among others, RDxShipping, the inanimate object love triangle and Fniff's and TBP's RP.
I probably missed some and I'm gonna edit it whenever someone posts a new one.
Hey, that's pretty cool. Want to include stuff form the earlier threads?
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 07:27:08 am
Publish a Bay12 Anthology of Ponies.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 07:34:43 am
Why, of course! Probably best to PM them to me or we would have some very long posts.I've just put together all the short fanfics (http://pastebin.com/7XswZYdX) that have been posted in this thread since I joined (which was on page 20-something-or-other). This includes, among others, RDxShipping, the inanimate object love triangle and Fniff's and TBP's RP.
I probably missed some and I'm gonna edit it whenever someone posts a new one.
Hey, that's pretty cool. Want to include stuff form the earlier threads?
Also, I'm probably gonna put the RP in a separate pastebin just because of how humongous it is.
I think there's only one choice ahead of us.You're probably right, but I really don't want to find all the pictures made by Bay Watchers. It'll mostly be Sean Mirrsen, I guess, but you can never be sure and looking through every single spoiler tag is gonna be rather annoying.
Publish a Bay12 Anthology of Ponies.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 07:38:47 am
Just get Sean to tell you where all the pictures are.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 14, 2011, 07:42:05 am
But I'll go through the other thread and dig up what I can. Give me a while...
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 07:44:00 am
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D'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 14, 2011, 07:49:12 am
Also, with the exception of Diverjack and a few random drawings, just about everything I made is about the fic. And most of it is unfinished. I really need to find better sources of inspiration. >_>
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 07:53:16 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 07:54:57 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 08:00:15 am
Hell, in all honesty, I'd be fine with throwing in Friends In Need, To Set Right and whatever else any of the writers in here want added as long as it's created by them and pony-related. Just don't ask me to do any formatting there because I'm sure as hell not gonna read it. ;)
The easiest would probably be a dropbox folder with Shared Link (or a normal shared Dropbox folder which allows editing and deleting) and having every story in a separate file. That way, we could also add pictures. And when we're done, we can just .zip it up and upload it somewhere.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 08:01:59 am
I've noticed I actually have real trouble writing happy fics. I find it much easier to write suicidal depression fics.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 08:03:45 am
Hmmmm.Heh, it's fine, many people like that sort of fanfic. I'm just not one of them.
I've noticed I actually have real trouble writing happy fics. I find it much easier to write suicidal depression fics.
I also thought about it a bit more and edited my post up there.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 14, 2011, 08:05:27 am
A shared DB folder could work for the purpose, yes. And we should definitely include the bigger works as well, as long as the authors don't mind.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 08:07:00 am
I'd say rake in everything from every pony thread and every forumite here. Fiction, art, everything. Catalog it by type and tag it. That way we will have a Complete Bay12 Pony Works Collection.Judging from this thread, the only relevant tags would be "Grimdark", "Absurd Shipping" and "Other".
A shared DB folder could work for the purpose, yes. And we should definitely include the bigger works as well, as long as the authors don't mind.
In all seriousness, you're probably right. That'll be a lot of work, but I'm fine with that, it's not like we are in a rush. I'm just not sure how tagging would work when all we have are folders. Of course, you could have an "Art" folder, a "Fanfics" folder and an "RP" folder and have sub-folders for those according to the tags, but that's not really a good solution.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 14, 2011, 08:19:04 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 08:19:45 am
Alright, screw this. We almost hit the 300-page mark, and I'm not spending hours sorting through it all :pCan you at least link to the old pony threads? I thought they got deleted, but apparently they are only locked.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 14, 2011, 08:23:27 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 08:26:41 am
Second one, the only one I participated in.Oh, balls, that's a long thread. O_O
(http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74664.0)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 14, 2011, 08:30:43 am
Alright, screw this. We almost hit the 300-page mark, and I'm not spending hours sorting through it all :pYou just don't know how to scan through threads. And if you mean just this thread, I see only 66 pages. edit: and with the second thread, 236 pages. Yeah, that's a little more intimidating.
Too bad we've lost some material in nuking the M6vs7D thread, but all my images are still here, and most of what was posted got implemented into FiN anyway.
Also, I believe the Glitterglen thread should just be linked. There's no way anyone with a hint of sanity is going to wade through all that RP to copy it to a doc.
And my search-fu is probably weakening, I can't find the first Pony thread.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 09:04:07 am
Your tempting me to watch.... :O
Tempting.....
I will go to halo to stop this heresy!
And I saw avfew episodes of this once.
Post by: Fniff on November 14, 2011, 09:23:05 am
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 09:25:46 am
HALO FTW!!!
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 09:26:35 am
I might be the only one who made pictures here, but I can't say for sure. I wasn't the only one posting them, that much is certain.Well, I'm currently going through the second pony-thread, I'm on page 22 of 170 and I've already collected 40 pictures made by forumites. This is gonna be harder than I thought...
Post by: Fniff on November 14, 2011, 09:28:13 am
Which Halo disc? I have them all, and the movie, and the songs, and some figurine things
HALO FTW!!!
All of them.
And your figurines? You'll be interested to know if they are now replaced by Pinkie Pie figurines.
7:45, under the old bridge. Come alone. :P
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 09:30:48 am
Which Halo disc? I have them all, and the movie, and the songs, and some figurine things
HALO FTW!!!
Look at Halo, now back to me, now back to Halo. Halo is now two tickets to the Grand Galloping Gala. Look again, Halo is now Tom. I'm on a pony.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 09:34:08 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 10:04:37 am
I have been enlightened, and beards wear ponies right?
Only in certain fanons.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 14, 2011, 10:10:09 am
I have been enlightened, and beards wear ponies right?
Only in awesome fanons.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 10:17:32 am
Post by: Roboboy33 on November 14, 2011, 10:43:12 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 14, 2011, 10:43:52 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 02:17:41 pm
Oh, and about 50 pictures made by forumites. No fanfics yet.
Edit: Wait, that's not quite right! I found a prologue by dragonshardz for a side-fanfic to Fallout: Equestria called "Fallout: Equestria - Cold North". Apparently, it was posted on EqD, but my search fu is weak.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 02:59:39 pm
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Post by: kaijyuu on November 14, 2011, 03:00:26 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 03:01:15 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 03:55:00 pm
Also, currently on page 51 of the second pony thread. Haven't seen much fan art/fanfics by forumites, but added a lot of pictures to my collection of awesome/neat/funny pony pics.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:03:05 pm
But just to assure you my account hasn't been hacked....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0jXvVDxB_A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwRuutV8TKc&feature=related
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 04:10:14 pm
Well, technically Rainbow Factory doesn't reference gory fanfics...gory fanfics reference it.Ah, that's the Dsarker we all know and... well...
But just to assure you my account hasn't been hacked....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0jXvVDxB_A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwRuutV8TKc&feature=related
Hmm....
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:11:09 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 14, 2011, 04:23:25 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 04:27:32 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zSVBcm_BZRs
Funnily enough, I ran across that yesterday. :P
And those other two were more awesome than creepy/gory. The second one in particular was amazing, even if the singer was a bit nasal.
I like the Dr. Strangelove one best. Mostly because of Applejack riding a bomb.
Also? WE NEED TO CLOSE THE MINESHAFT GAP.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:31:05 pm
barding, and were the best of the best.
They slowly crept through the building, keeping up a full watch. All of a sudden, they could hear laughter. The strike team leader, Sergeant Kamenskoi, swore. Ever since the God-Princess, praised be Her name, had come back, they had been slowly but steadily retired. This was to be their last mission, and it was a crapshoot. A crazed killer was their target, and this laughing was just going to keep unsettling his team. He checked his legmounted crossbow one more time, and saw movement out of the corner of his eye.
"She's he-" was all he got out before the flying knife slammed into his eye with such force it sent him hurtling across the room and pinned him to the wall. He was dead long before he hit it and every bone in his body shattered. One last blessing of the God-Princess Celestia.
The other stormtroopers turned, but the Eversor was already among them. Compared to her, they seemed to be moving in slow motion. In several swift strikes, all but the Eversor and the Equisitor were dead. Mica raised her force sword and stayed facing the Eversor, who was holding a magic blade, one of the Eversor weapons. Mica, with the fury of a berserker, poured her power into her force sword, and using her telekinesis, prepared to take down this cursed traitor.
The Eversor charged like a madman. She tried to jump over and onto the Equisitor, but the Equisitor had already predicted and countered her move. Swords flashed like lightning, and it was over. Neither had been touched. The Eversor didn't even wait a second before moving back into attack, and the Equisitor was slowly but surely forced back to the entrance.
As the tide of battle carried them to the entrance of the darkened building, a single sound rose out of the din of battle: a high, reedy noise, the unmistakable cry of a foal. For just a heartbeat's time, the Equisitor's eyes broke away from her opponent, darting across the blackened building to find to source of the cry. There-a foal had been stuck to the wall with another knife, left to slowly bleed out. The foal's eyes, wide and bright with terror, met the Equisitor's in a silent plea for help. It was only a moment, a brief instant of pony contact in the midst of a duel to the death. But it was too long.
The Eversor's blade struck so swiftly it scarcely seemed to cross the intervening space. The Equisitor desperately brought her force sword up in a parry, but her focus had been shaken. Bereft of the strengthening power of the Equisitor's will, the force sword began to crack, jagged lines of light spider-webbing across its surface. Mica desperately poured her psychic power into the blade, but to no avail. The Eversor's eyes glowed with triumph as the force sword shattered into a dozen pieces, its pure, clear light winking out like a snuffed candle.
In the silence that followed, the foal wailed.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 04:32:45 pm
On that note, I found these little gems:
Quote from: FunctionZero
I used to inquire about the potential of companionship, until you all shared your collective findings of its manipulated aspects of reality with me.
Massive odyssey.
Sizable portions of entertainment.
A majestic hollow muscular organ that pumps the blood through the circulatory system by rhythmic contraction and dilation.
Devoted and able-bodied.
Proportionately administering benevolence.
It's a simplistic accomplishment, and fictional paranormal energy or ability completes the entire process!
Scaled-down horses that I am entitled to.
Additionally, you individuals are all aware of your status as my highest ranked companions.
Quote from: Dsarker
The miniature horse that I own
I used to be unaware of the consequences of having comrades
The miniature horse that I own
That is until the ones I have now taught me what it was like
Large endeavours,
A vast quantity of humour,
A cardiovascular muscle that is appealing to the eye,
Unfaltering and able to move heavy objects,
Giving unto others because I have good intentions,
It is no difficult task
And sorcery rounds off the list
The miniature horse that I own
You are aware that you are my most faithful companions
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:34:22 pm
GOD DAMN YOU, now I need to update my Bay12 Fanfics file again! I probably should start putting them into separate files before the file gets too giant.Did you get this one?
On that note, I found these little gems:Quote from: FunctionZeroI used to inquire about the potential of companionship, until you all shared your collective findings of its manipulated aspects of reality with me.
Massive odyssey.
Sizable portions of entertainment.
A majestic hollow muscular organ that pumps the blood through the circulatory system by rhythmic contraction and dilation.
Devoted and able-bodied.
Proportionately administering benevolence.
It's a simplistic accomplishment, and fictional paranormal energy or ability completes the entire process!
Scaled-down horses that I am entitled to.
Additionally, you individuals are all aware of your status as my highest ranked companions.Quote from: DsarkerThe miniature horse that I own
I used to be unaware of the consequences of having comrades
The miniature horse that I own
That is until the ones I have now taught me what it was like
Large endeavours,
A vast quantity of humour,
A cardiovascular muscle that is appealing to the eye,
Unfaltering and able to move heavy objects,
Giving unto others because I have good intentions,
It is no difficult task
And sorcery rounds off the list
The miniature horse that I own
You are aware that you are my most faithful companions
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 04:35:25 pm
Anyway, this is also pretty cool:
Quote from: Sergius
Sparkle: Repercussions of Cuteness
Twilight Sparkle waited. The lights above her blinked and sparked out of the air. There were bunnys in the librarry. She didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. Her warnings to Fluttershy were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
Twilight was a pony magician for fourteen years. When she was young she watched the libraries and she said to Celestia "I want to be on the libraries Princess."
Celestia said "No! You will BE SMOTHERED BY BUNNYS"
There was a time when she believed her. Then as she got oldered she stopped. But now in the tree librarry of the Ponyville she knew there were bunnys. "This is Fluttershy" the horn crackered. "You must befriend the bunnys!"
So Twilight gotted her palsma book and blew up the wall.
"SHE GOING TO SMOTHER US" said the bunnys
"I will blink at her" said the megabunny and it fired the rabbit eyes. Twilight plasmaed at it and tried to blew it up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to hug.
"No! I must smother the bunnys" she shouted
The horn said "No, Twilight. You are the bunnys"
And then Twilight was a rabbit.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:35:42 pm
Alright, screw this. We almost hit the 300-page mark, and I'm not spending hours sorting through it all :pYou just don't know how to scan through threads. And if you mean just this thread, I see only 66 pages. edit: and with the second thread, 236 pages. Yeah, that's a little more intimidating.
Too bad we've lost some material in nuking the M6vs7D thread, but all my images are still here, and most of what was posted got implemented into FiN anyway.
Also, I believe the Glitterglen thread should just be linked. There's no way anyone with a hint of sanity is going to wade through all that RP to copy it to a doc.
And my search-fu is probably weakening, I can't find the first Pony thread.
The Master is google-doccing it.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 04:37:09 pm
What, Glitterglen? That would be swell. Also, I'm totally not going to go through the first pony thread. The second one is already pretty huge.Alright, screw this. We almost hit the 300-page mark, and I'm not spending hours sorting through it all :pYou just don't know how to scan through threads. And if you mean just this thread, I see only 66 pages. edit: and with the second thread, 236 pages. Yeah, that's a little more intimidating.
Too bad we've lost some material in nuking the M6vs7D thread, but all my images are still here, and most of what was posted got implemented into FiN anyway.
Also, I believe the Glitterglen thread should just be linked. There's no way anyone with a hint of sanity is going to wade through all that RP to copy it to a doc.
And my search-fu is probably weakening, I can't find the first Pony thread.
The Master is google-doccing it.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:37:56 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 14, 2011, 04:39:56 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:40:20 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 04:43:08 pm
Spoiler: Can't unsee. (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 14, 2011, 04:44:33 pm
I'd link to a place to find it, but I don't want to get banned for linking to places with porn.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 05:00:00 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 14, 2011, 05:02:22 pm
The reason Glitterglen made me think of Ruby Quest is because the place Ruby is trapped in is called the Metal Glen.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 05:10:21 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 05:12:11 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 05:13:46 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 14, 2011, 05:14:39 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 05:15:21 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 05:17:05 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 14, 2011, 05:18:13 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 05:20:25 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 05:20:38 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 05:21:21 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 05:22:28 pm
pony or peo....dont answer that
Rule 34. Though there may well have been some humanized among it; I wasn't in the thread when it happened.
Moving right along...
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 05:23:53 pm
i am tempted to make a picture of a pony and a sangheli and why the heck is My little pony, a GIRLZ!! show so popular among everyone?
does it have violance/romance/cool talking/fighting/non kid stuff/cool stuff
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 05:24:42 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 05:26:37 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 14, 2011, 05:26:52 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 14, 2011, 05:28:10 pm
does it have violance/romance/cool talking/fighting/non kid stuff/cool stuffNope. Well, it DOES have cool stuff I suppose.
If you're really interested, and have 22 minutes, here's a good starting point. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGyyXZCSCfw) That episode has perhaps the most generic kids show "adventure" plot ever. Made awesome.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 05:32:49 pm
I've just found his dA account and ARGH, there's so much stuff! There's also Spiderses (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/08/story-spiderses.html) which should definitely have its own file.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 05:38:26 pm
...........BUT!!! maybe not!!
i felt like it
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 05:40:59 pm
so everything on the other two threads is deletedWhat? No!
Thread Two (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74664) is right here!
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 05:47:54 pm
There are also Akhier's first impressions on the episodes which are rather amusing to read.
I dunno, should I add these?
Edit: Oh yeah, I also found Dsarker's "basic script" of his My Little Warhammer 40k fanfic. I don't know if anything ever came from that script. If it did, I probably won't add the script, but as it stands, it's pretty interesting.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 14, 2011, 05:51:56 pm
Also, necro did something to break the forum rules.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 14, 2011, 06:01:29 pm
Also, Dsarker, can you tell me what the hell is this? Are these supposed to be two subsequent parts of the same story? Is there a full story somewhere?
I didn't see much of context, but I may have missed it (I'm mainly just skimming through the thread, looking for long posts, links and spoiler tags; I'll be damned if I had to actually read the entire bloody thread).
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 06:19:47 pm
Anyway, second thing is a one off. Inspired mostly by The Cough, which is a fantastic story.
First one is the prologue to this (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7468653/1/My_Little_Warhammer_Friendship_is_HERESY)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 06:44:20 pm
I have no idea why this is so popular. I hate it for a number of reasons.
also, I heard about necro making some kind of joke on this and getting muted.
so either toady likes MLP and he was dissing it too much, or it was a REALLY bad/sexist/racist/other joke.
now, I need to evacuate from this thread before my testosterone is sucked out of my body.
what little testosterone I have...
Rape jokes tend to do that.
Post by: Bdthemag on November 14, 2011, 06:49:45 pm
Toady doesn't like rape jokes, no matter how bad they are. Besides, Necro was already given warnings before. He was lucky he only got muted, since a few people before him have been outright banned for rape jokes.I have no idea why this is so popular. I hate it for a number of reasons.
also, I heard about necro making some kind of joke on this and getting muted.
so either toady likes MLP and he was dissing it too much, or it was a REALLY bad/sexist/racist/other joke.
now, I need to evacuate from this thread before my testosterone is sucked out of my body.
what little testosterone I have...
Rape jokes tend to do that.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 08:20:00 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 14, 2011, 08:29:24 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 14, 2011, 08:31:40 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 14, 2011, 08:33:01 pm
I wonder if ponies are well known in Japan yet? I used to call FiM a "shoujo anime" and I still kinda think it is one. Just without a nasty romance plot tumor.
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 08:37:14 pm
I think MLP has been the most corrupting influence in my life so far.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 14, 2011, 08:45:31 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 14, 2011, 08:48:36 pm
The first two episodes are pretty much ponified Sailor Moon.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 09:12:04 pm
Oh, and if anyone else is in the mood for some in incredibly cute and funny Dinky and Pinkie playing at Star Trek, read this. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1egB4tkQ2Brjwt2iuH0wUicUxN_nJ4EQ-FEGnB795Ptg/edit#)
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 09:46:22 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zangi on November 14, 2011, 10:10:17 pm
Neat pony artist popped up. (http://blog.yam.com/miminoren/article/44229713) Took half the drawfriend today on ED.
I wonder if ponies are well known in Japan yet? I used to call FiM a "shoujo anime" and I still kinda think it is one. Just without a nasty romance plot tumor.
Spoiler: Best one out of em all. (click to show/hide)
Also, I'm kind of contemplating what to add. I've found a rather large post by Zangi on Equestrian Warfare which isn't a fanfic at all and isn't even written from an in-universe standpoint.*snip*Oh... I need to update that sooner or later... still so much to add... blargh. Hardest part is taking what I have in my head and putting it into typing/writing...
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 10:17:55 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 10:18:42 pm
http://youtu.be/6PIleJhQmBg
I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
Post by: Bdthemag on November 14, 2011, 10:18:54 pm
how do i put a picture in my signature?Don't think you can since the signature limit is rather small, and that picture would be WAY to big even if they allowed pictures in signatures.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 10:19:58 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 14, 2011, 10:20:18 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 10:21:10 pm
Oh my....
http://youtu.be/6PIleJhQmBg
I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
*pfft*
*snk*
BAHAHAHAHAHA!
Post by: Zaerosz on November 14, 2011, 10:32:13 pm
I sense a disturbance in the ship.Oh my....
http://youtu.be/6PIleJhQmBg
I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
*pfft*
*snk*
BAHAHAHAHAHA!
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 10:37:17 pm
Like millions of watchers laughed loud, and were suddenly silenced.I sense a disturbance in the ship.Oh my....
http://youtu.be/6PIleJhQmBg
I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
*pfft*
*snk*
BAHAHAHAHAHA!
Post by: Zaerosz on November 14, 2011, 10:41:54 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 14, 2011, 10:43:51 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on November 14, 2011, 10:44:23 pm
And four of them disliked it.I disliked that video before everyone else did
/hipster glasses
Post by: Dsarker on November 14, 2011, 10:47:38 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on November 14, 2011, 10:48:08 pm
Have to tell you, I was the first disliker.I was the second person to dislike before it became mainstream.
/hipster glasses
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 14, 2011, 10:49:52 pm
Post by: Zaerosz on November 14, 2011, 11:17:36 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 14, 2011, 11:18:36 pm
And you spell that however you want to spell it. It's probably as you say, as it is a pun on Aloysius.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 14, 2011, 11:23:45 pm
Oh my....
http://youtu.be/6PIleJhQmBg
I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
This is great trolling.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 14, 2011, 11:59:47 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 15, 2011, 12:11:29 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVCFV7jT9ho&feature=feedrec_grec_index
The way the song fits RD is just plain uncanny.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 15, 2011, 12:18:06 am
Don't kill me.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 15, 2011, 12:34:57 am
I think this one fits better. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9NKlb0ri6Y)
Don't kill me.
Well, headcanon says RD = bi (and apparently so does the collective population of shipfic writers), so I won't be the one to do it. :P
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 15, 2011, 12:48:27 am
So yeah, I won't kill you either. Well, yet anyway...
Post by: Flying Dice on November 15, 2011, 01:04:40 am
My opinion on the matter is a resounding "meh". I've no predilections (or whatever the word is) for or against this sort of thing, I just like RD's character as shown.
So yeah, I won't kill you either. Well, yet anyway...
Isn't TBP the one who is supposed to say that?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 15, 2011, 01:06:30 am
Post by: Zangi on November 15, 2011, 01:12:37 am
Probably the only fanon shipping that I can get behind is the whole Lyra/Bon Bon thing... Though, I have no problems with the mane 6 being either bi or les, but yea... the shipping stuff for them I really just ignore.
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 01:16:37 am
Post by: Zaerosz on November 15, 2011, 01:24:27 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 15, 2011, 01:36:42 am
It's all in good fun, anyway~
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 01:37:17 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 15, 2011, 01:41:12 am
The answer is catharsis (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CatharsisFactor). Experience emotions by proxy, pretty much.
Potentially relevant: I wonder if this (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/11/collection-volume-6.html) still counts as "by proxy." Seems like visual novels without the visuals.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 02:17:54 am
So, if any of you regularly active in this thread have any MLP: FiM fanfics, could you please put them in one file each? I'd prefer .rtf because .doc is really... unwieldy. Trying to hunt all of these down on fimfiction or EqD is a real pain in the ass. I'll probably go through Argembarger's stuff myself, but Dsarker's right here, so no excuses! :P
Also, there's one question which most of you probably missed because of this thread being crazy active yesterday.
Also, I'm kind of contemplating what to add. I've found a rather large post by Zangi on Equestrian Warfare which isn't a fanfic at all and isn't even written from an in-universe standpoint.I now know of the My Little Warhammer fic, so ignore that edit. Unless you want the script to be added to the Bay12 Anthology of Pony regardless?
There are also Akhier's first impressions on the episodes which are rather amusing to read.
I dunno, should I add these?Edit: Oh yeah, I also found Dsarker's "basic script" of his My Little Warhammer 40k fanfic. I don't know if anything ever came from that script. If it did, I probably won't add the script, but as it stands, it's pretty interesting.
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 02:20:00 am
Anyway, latest WIP for my continuation of the fic.
Rarity kept her vigil. The cyan pegasus slept under her watch. She doubted that the guardspony even knew she was there. Rarity watched her like a hawk. Ever since the incident, she ha-
She knew she was there. What had told her, she couldn't say, but she knew she was there. Rarity was already moving, already yelling for backup. But she knew it was futile. Before the Eversor would have gotten this close, the guards would be long dead.
Dash woke at the sound, and tried to get up. But she was still groggy.
The singsong voice came.
"Heya fillies! Pinkie is here for you!"
Dash was clear thinking now, and the terror in her face was evident. The echoing of the hoofsteps ....
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 02:25:09 am
Go ahead.So, this is a continuation of this part?
Anyway, latest WIP for my continuation of the fic.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: Also, I'd like at least a WIP name.
Edit2: Scratch that, just read it for the first time, I'm just gonna call it "Some fucked up Pinkie Pie shit".
Post by: kaenneth on November 15, 2011, 03:40:05 am
Seriously, it's very gay.
edit: Yeah, I'll post it elsewhere.
Post by: Jimmy on November 15, 2011, 03:50:07 am
So what is the motivation for shipping anyway?
Personally I see there being two distinct forms of shipping fanfics.
First there's the romantic relationship, an exploration of the emotions and uncertainties of affection between friends that could potentially turn into more. Usually no more explicit than a typical Hollywood romantic comedy movie.
Then there's the clopfic, or lemon fic to use a generic ficwriter term that doesn't apply to just MLP. Usually explicit and focused on the physical sexual act rather than emotion or relationship building and character development, it's more an opportunity to express and visualize a sexual fantasy with one or more characters in a series.
Generally speaking it takes more talent to write good romance than lemon, and you'll receive more recognition for your work too.
Also kaenneth, while I respect your right to freedom of expression I'd suggest your fic violates the forum rules and you'd be better off linking it to an offsite location instead. Pastebin's an easy alternative.
Post by: Zaerosz on November 15, 2011, 03:50:43 am
This is totally gay, and I wrote it to be as shocking as possibleI've seen gayer, though not quite as... uncomfortable as that one.
Seriously, it's very gay.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 03:55:28 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 03:56:34 am
Go ahead.So, this is a continuation of this part?
Anyway, latest WIP for my continuation of the fic.Spoiler (click to show/hide)I'm sorry, but I really have too many of your fanfics to go through to reliably guess where to put that part.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: Also, I'd like at least a WIP name.
Edit2: Scratch that, just read it for the first time, I'm just gonna call it "Some fucked up Pinkie Pie shit".
I think you could call it My Little Warhammer: Friendship was HERESY!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 15, 2011, 04:42:47 am
Also, why is it that Pinkie is always the deranged murderer, anyway?
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 04:59:13 am
So it had to be Pinkie.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 15, 2011, 05:07:38 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 05:10:18 am
Anyway, this is just a hypothetical side story I came up with because someone wanted to know what would happen after the death of Luna. Celestia, being the merciful fool she is, was trying to 'uncondition' Pinkie, who escaped.
Anyway, third part.
Rarity kept her vigil. The cyan pegasus slept under her watch. She doubted that the guardspony even knew she was there. Rarity watched her like a hawk. Ever since the incident, she ha-
She knew she was there. What had told her, she couldn't say, but she knew she was there. Rarity was already moving, already yelling for backup. But she knew it was futile. Before the Eversor would have gotten this close, the guards would be long dead.
Dash woke at the sound, and tried to get up. But she was still groggy.
The singsong voice came.
"Heya fillies! Pinkie is here for you!"
Dash was clear thinking now, and the terror in her face was evident. The hoofsteps resounded through the building. Rarity drew a pair of swords and tossed one to Dash. In a daze still, Dash caught it expertly and prepared to fight.
The attack came without warning. Two knives were tossed through the air. Dash saw her doom approaching and tried to pray, but before she could even let a 'Please, Celestia, forgive me, and remember I am just a pony', Rarity's sword flashed and knocked them from the air.
"I'm an assassin too, traitor. You'll not get us so easily," called Rarity.
"Oh, that's good! Mica was only a bit of fun. You'll be a whole bundle!" came the reply. Rarity and Dash lifted their swords into the guard position.
Pinkie came hurtling from above. Rarity lifted her sword up just in time and parried the attack, sending her to the ground. But Pinkie was quickly up again and attacking. Almost absent-mindedly, she sent two daggers flying Dash's way, just as her sword clashed with Rarity's. Dash tried to dodge them, but she missed one and it grazed her left foreleg. She winced, but moved to join Rarity in the fight.
Rarity moved in a classic example of the art of the Culexus temple. Moving faster than could be thought possible, she swung her sword in a devastating series of attacks.
All to no avail. Pinkie blocked them as deftly as if from an infant, and moved into her attacks. Rarity was just as quick as she was, and blocked them all.
All except one. She was grazed on the leg and fell down. She tried to lift herself up, but she couldn't move. She looked helplessly on as Pinkie grinned in childlike joy. Dash moved to try and protect her rapist from her enemy. But Pinkie had already killed her, disemboweling her so quickly she hadn't noticed.
Dash collapsed over her entrails, and the light of life left her eyes. Rarity watched helplessly as Pinkie left the room. She tried to speak, but even her mouth refused to obey her. She tried to cry, to weep, but her eyes were no longer hers.
She tried to breath.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 15, 2011, 05:42:24 am
(good thing I tend to keep them charged, at least...)
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 05:57:14 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 06:00:53 am
I probably won't get around to doing anything related to the GREAT BAY12 ANTHOLOGY OF PONY STUFF today because I'm only home at about midnight or later, but I should probably be done with the second thread tomorrow evening or on Thursday.
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 06:02:07 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 06:03:29 am
Also, what the hell, third part? The second part is a part of the third part, as it seems because the second part is
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or did I miss a part?
Why can't I get any clear answers in this thread? >_<
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 06:07:30 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 06:14:19 am
Anyway, after going through the last 5 or so pages again, I've got it now.
Seriously, I don't really want to read your long posts because I want to be able to concentrate on stuff other than blood and gore for the rest of the day, so if you post story parts without any context or introductory text (like "Hey, second part of my Friendship is Heresy sequel" or even "2nd part of my WIP crossover") whatsoever, it's kind of hard to put all of it together.
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 06:18:53 am
What she did mind were the straps and restraints holding her in. She chafed at them, as she had her whole life. Ever since her initiation into the Eversor Clade as an itty bitty twinkie Pinkie, she had chafed. She longed to move, to act, to do. To kill.
But she knew why they didn't want her out. She was an Eversor. And she smiled as she thought of the myriad ways she planned to kill everypony who had kept her bound, and those who hadn't known, and those who hadn't cared. Everypony, in fact. Maybe a knife through their eyes while they slept. That was one she wanted to try on Twilight. That was what she'd always call her, despite her name being Mica. It felt right. And she longed to kill Twilight. The bitch had kept her restrained. Hadn't even let her out to slaughter a town or two.
Next was Dashie. A guardspony, and she would be a challenge. She could just fly out of range. But even then, Pinkie had plans. She had been enhanced. Not even a pegasus would get away from her. She could just taste the feeling of a sword disembowelling her. She would be the second hardest, because she was protected by the hardest.
The hardest was Rarity. Pinkie didn't know what had happened to cause her to feel protective of Dashie, but somehow she knew. And it disgusted her. Giving in to base biological desires. She was an assassin too! She was supposed to have had those trained out of her. But she would hopefully still be a challenge. She would fight. Pinkie liked it when they fought.
The third hardest would be the other pegasus. Fluttershy. The telepath. But without Rarity, Pinkie would drive her crazy. Maybe she'd be more fun if she was crazy. That was a thought to keep you warm on a winter night.
Then there was Applejack. The other earth pony was an Arbitrator. She would be fun. Much more fun than Dashie. Mmmm. Pinkie almost felt content at the thought of killing Applejack a thousand ways from Princess' Day. It would be the best fun she'd ever have had.
Of course, the other two...Markon, and Spike. That was them. They'd be fun. But they were both psykers. Weaklings in real fighting. They'd only be good for the screams of terror.
Pinkie continued to rub at the straps.
One of them broke.
---
Mica led the six pony strike team of stormtroopers into the building where the Eversor had gotten loose. They were all in full plate barding, and were the best of the best.
They slowly crept through the building, keeping up a full watch. All of a sudden, they could hear laughter. The strike team leader, Sergeant Kamenskoi, swore. Ever since the God-Princess, praised be Her name, had come back, they had been slowly but steadily retired. This was to be their last mission, and it was a crapshoot. A crazed killer was their target, and this laughing was just going to keep unsettling his team. He checked his legmounted crossbow one more time, and saw movement out of the corner of his eye.
"She's he-" was all he got out before the flying knife slammed into his eye with such force it sent him hurtling across the room and pinned him to the wall. He was dead long before he hit it and every bone in his body shattered. One last blessing of the God-Princess Celestia.
The other stormtroopers turned, but the Eversor was already among them. Compared to her, they seemed to be moving in slow motion. In several swift strikes, all but the Eversor and the Equisitor were dead. Mica raised her force sword and stayed facing the Eversor, who was holding a magic blade, one of the Eversor weapons. Mica, with the fury of a berserker, poured her power into her force sword, and using her telekinesis, prepared to take down this cursed traitor.
The Eversor charged like a madman. She tried to jump over and onto the Equisitor, but the Equisitor had already predicted and countered her move. Swords flashed like lightning, and it was over. Neither had been touched. The Eversor didn't even wait a second before moving back into attack, and the Equisitor was slowly but surely forced back to the entrance.
As the tide of battle carried them to the entrance of the darkened building, a single sound rose out of the din of battle: a high, reedy noise, the unmistakable cry of a foal. For just a heartbeat's time, the Equisitor's eyes broke away from her opponent, darting across the blackened building to find to source of the cry. There-a foal had been stuck to the wall with another knife, left to slowly bleed out. The foal's eyes, wide and bright with terror, met the Equisitor's in a silent plea for help. It was only a moment, a brief instant of pony contact in the midst of a duel to the death. But it was too long.
The Eversor's blade struck so swiftly it scarcely seemed to cross the intervening space. The Equisitor desperately brought her force sword up in a parry, but her focus had been shaken. Bereft of the strengthening power of the Equisitor's will, the force sword began to crack, jagged lines of light spider-webbing across its surface. Mica desperately poured her psychic power into the blade, but to no avail. The Eversor's eyes glowed with triumph as the force sword shattered into a dozen pieces, its pure, clear light winking out like a snuffed candle.
In the silence that followed, the foal wailed.
---
Rarity kept her vigil. The cyan pegasus slept under her watch. She doubted that the guardspony even knew she was there. Rarity watched her like a hawk. Ever since the incident, she ha-
She knew she was there. What had told her, she couldn't say, but she knew she was there. Rarity was already moving, already yelling for backup. But she knew it was futile. Before the Eversor would have gotten this close, the guards would be long dead.
Dash woke at the sound, and tried to get up. But she was still groggy.
The singsong voice came.
"Heya fillies! Pinkie is here for you!"
Dash was clear thinking now, and the terror in her face was evident. The hoofsteps resounded through the building. Rarity drew a pair of swords and tossed one to Dash. In a daze still, Dash caught it expertly and prepared to fight.
The attack came without warning. Two knives were tossed through the air. Dash saw her doom approaching and tried to pray, but before she could even let a 'Please, Celestia, forgive me, and remember I am just a pony', Rarity's sword flashed and knocked them from the air.
"I'm an assassin too, traitor. You'll not get us so easily," called Rarity.
"Oh, that's good! Mica was only a bit of fun. You'll be a whole bundle!" came the reply. Rarity and Dash lifted their swords into the guard position.
Pinkie came hurtling from above. Rarity lifted her sword up just in time and parried the attack, sending her to the ground. But Pinkie was quickly up again and attacking. Almost absent-mindedly, she sent two daggers flying Dash's way, just as her sword clashed with Rarity's. Dash tried to dodge them, but she missed one and it grazed her left foreleg. She winced, but moved to join Rarity in the fight.
Rarity moved in a classic example of the art of the Culexus temple. Moving faster than could be thought possible, she swung her sword in a devastating series of attacks.
All to no avail. Pinkie blocked them as deftly as if from an infant, and moved into her attacks. Rarity was just as quick as she was, and blocked them all.
All except one. She was grazed on the leg and fell down. She tried to lift herself up, but she couldn't move. She looked helplessly on as Pinkie grinned in childlike joy. Dash moved to try and protect her rapist from her enemy. But Pinkie had already killed her, disemboweling her so quickly she hadn't noticed.
Dash collapsed over her entrails, and the light of life left her eyes. Rarity watched helplessly as Pinkie left the room. She tried to speak, but even her mouth refused to obey her. She tried to cry, to weep, but her eyes were no longer hers.
She tried to breath.
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 06:20:52 am
I'm wondering why I wrote it.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 06:24:13 am
Do you have your first Warhammer/MLP: FiM crossover fic saved somewhere in one file or something? I found a link to it (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7468653/1/My_Little_Warhammer_Friendship_is_HERESY), but if you already have it somewhere in one file, there's no need for me go through and copy-paste each chapter individually.
If you have it, please don't post it here (it's pretty huge), upload it to gdocs or send it as a PM or something.
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 06:27:58 am
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IcXzY7aNLrO4Bo7hixeupEFD9bDSPuzBCwMb_q3kXr0/mobilebasic?hl=en_US
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 06:28:45 am
I'm a monster.
I FEEL FINE ONLY NEED MORE WAYS TO TORTURE PEOPLE WHO LIKE MLP:FIM.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 06:36:46 am
I think that's preferable because I have the option to download it as different file formats. Definitely superior to Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C.
Also, thanks for that!
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 15, 2011, 06:41:31 am
I actually feel hollow inside.
I'm a monster.
I FEEL FINE ONLY NEED MORE WAYS TO TORTURE PEOPLE WHO LIKE MLP:FIM.
Find some more 'I don't want to live in this planet anymore' quality videos or fics or pics. Then congratulations, you just raped everyone(pony?)'s mind here.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 15, 2011, 06:53:41 am
That having been posted so far...I've been wondering that about every piece of fiction you've posted here so far. Did I already say I'm going to quarantine every AU you've ever conceived? Because I am. I might even get the PPC team on it as well, although straight-up crossovers aren't usually their jurisdiction.
I'm wondering why I wrote it.
In unrelated news. Stupid lighting, why you so hard? Stupid living things, why you so rounded and weirdly shaped?!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/FiN_Starkey_AJ_rev.jpg)
Post by: Armok on November 15, 2011, 07:23:53 am
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For all m1, m2, b1, b2, r:
If m1 is a point in mind space, and m2 is a point in mind space, and b1 is a point in body space, and b2 is a point in body space, and r is a type of relationship,
then "b1!m1 r's b2!m2 OTP!" is true.I think it's fully general, applying to any possible work of fiction as well as any crossover, and reality.
Who here ship these as well?
Also, this'd make a totally rad xkcd strip.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 09:55:01 am
Also, what the hell is "!" supposed to mean? And "OTP"? Not to mention that you didn't classify what type of relation "r" is supposed to be.
I know it's just supposed to be a joke, but putting variables and a "for all" in a random sentence doesn't make it a math joke.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 15, 2011, 10:37:26 am
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#include Multiverse
#include Multiverse.Universe
UniverseArray[∞] = Multiverse:GetUniverseArray();
vCharacter1 = New Universe.Meta.Individuum;
vCharacter2 = New Universe.Meta.Individuum;
RelationshipArray[∞] = Universe.Meta.Individuum:GetAffectionStateList().ToArray();
for each Universe1 as Universe in UniverseArray
for each m1 as Universe.Cognitive.Instance in Universe1.Cognitive.Memetic:GetMindSpace.ToArray()
for each b1 as Universe.Substance.Instance in Universe1.Substance.Life:GetBodySpace.ToArray()
for each Universe2 as Universe in UniverseArray
for each m2 as Universe.Cognitive.Instance in Universe2.Cognitive.Memetic:GetMindSpace.ToArray()
for each b2 as Universe.Substance.Instance in Universe2.Substance.Life:GetBodySpace.ToArray()
vCharacter1.Substance:SetInstance(b1);
vCharacter1.Cognitive:SetInstance(m1);
vCharacter2.Substance:SetInstance(b2);
vCharacter2.Cognitive:SetInstance(m2);
for each vRelationship as Universe.Meta.Individuum.AffectionState in RelationshipArray
vCharacter1.Cognitive.Memetic:SetAffectionState(vRelationship, vCharacter2);
vCharacter2.Cognitive.Memetic:SetAffectionState(vRelationship, vCharacter1);
Multiverse:SpawnUniverseBranch(Universe1).Meta:AddIndividuum(vCharacter2, Universe1.AbsPos(vCharacter1)+Vector(0,vCharacter1.Substance:GetHeight(),0);
end for
end for
end for
end for
end for
end for
end for
end forRather inefficient, I think. Also, I seem to have misplaced my copy of the Universe Compiler, so I'm a little hazy on the syntax and can't reliably check for errors.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 15, 2011, 12:53:14 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 04:01:34 pm
That having been posted so far...I've been wondering that about every piece of fiction you've posted here so far. Did I already say I'm going to quarantine every AU you've ever conceived? Because I am. I might even get the PPC team on it as well, although straight-up crossovers aren't usually their jurisdiction.
I'm wondering why I wrote it.
Yes, you have, and what are the PPC?
Anyway, another cute picture (go on. It can't hurt you too badly....)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Discuss. Remember, d'awwww counts as discussion!
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 04:14:23 pm
Mr Bean in the MLP verse.
Call it "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic *snort* *snort*".
Post by: Flying Dice on November 15, 2011, 06:24:00 pm
Or the Batman. I honestly think a Batman/Pony AU (with human characters entering Equestria, say, the Batman and some villians he needs to catch and take back to Earth) would work really well. Partner him with Luna and Zecora for triple the night terrors.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 15, 2011, 06:32:47 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 15, 2011, 06:46:18 pm
Wait.
Rich, ineffectual loser by day.
Terrifying antihero by night.
The answer is obvious: Blueblood is Batstallion.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 07:41:23 pm
Luna and Batman would probably get along really well, both really seeming to like bats. Luna's got a cloak MADE of friggin' bats. Not to mention the bat guards, bat chariot, bat credit card...A BAT CREDIT CARD?! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqon0nVWA4A)
</obligatoryjoke>
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 07:47:15 pm
I've ran out of Grim Dark juice. I'm not sure I can finish the sequel.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 07:50:31 pm
No, but seriously, that is quite a shame. Not that I particularly care for the story itself (I really don't like Grimdark), but unfinished stories are always kind of depressing.
Just let it rest for a while, you'll think of something eventually. You've written all three parts in the last two or so days, so it's perfectly normal that you can't think of anything grimdark right now.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 15, 2011, 07:53:40 pm
If you're in dire need, I'm willing to lend a hand. Grimdark's my specialty. Well, torture is my specialty, but that's a subset of Grimdark so I think I could manage.
Post by: Roboboy33 on November 15, 2011, 08:12:10 pm
I've ran out of Grim Dark juice. I'm not sure I can finish the sequel.When in doubt, add more organs.
Post by: dragonshardz on November 15, 2011, 08:19:32 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 15, 2011, 08:23:17 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 08:25:12 pm
I found two very sad fanfics in the old thread that you should definitely read. I shed manly tears. BTW, they are both completely unrelated to each other.
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Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 08:28:52 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 15, 2011, 08:30:16 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 08:38:04 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 09:10:41 pm
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Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 09:14:51 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 09:43:25 pm
The Bay12Forums software is actively trolling us...
Also, I've finally gotten around to copy-pasting all of Argembarger's stuff (including the amazing "the spiderses"), so have the first version of the Bay12 anthology of pony stories (http://www.mediafire.com/?v1a0hhyk0gla2jd).
I do realize some of these things aren't technically stories, but my good friend Spiderman has something to say about that.
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Also, yes, I have a lot of MLP: FiM fanart and other stuff by forumites, too, but for now I'll only upload the stories. Tell me if I've missed something.
Edit: BTW, the "Other fanfics" is mostly just stuff that don't have a title. I could, of course, go with "(Dsarker) Untitled1.rtf", but I don't really want to.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 15, 2011, 10:02:01 pm
Okay. Confession time.You don't really need Grim Dark Juice for the sequel. The first part is loaded with quite enough for the whole thing, so if you can find some plain old Dark juice, it'll do too.
I've ran out of Grim Dark juice. I'm not sure I can finish the sequel.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 15, 2011, 10:16:55 pm
Oh, look, I never actually posted. Here we are (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FuBQha2JYb1Vw95P19As7pCkL2-yiwutjBgpfHIImBg/edit), then.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 15, 2011, 10:23:18 pm
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Best image ever.
@TBP
You succeeded at parodying the Rainbow shipping movement far better than I did :p
Great job!
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 10:24:47 pm
Also, TBP, that might very well be one of the strangest fanfics I've ever read. Then again, I haven't read that many.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 15, 2011, 10:28:34 pm
Alright, I've updated stories.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?bycrd80c8yp6lzn).
Also, TBP, that might very well be one of the best fanfics I've ever read. And I've read a lot.
Fixed that for you. Or for me. That was an excellent idea for a parody, by the way.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 15, 2011, 10:30:12 pm
I'm expanding my RD shipping fic, mostly because I'm bored. It's probably going to suck, and even if it doesn't it's not going on EqD since it will likely be too small and I don't really care that much anyway.
Oh, look, I never actually posted. Here we are (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FuBQha2JYb1Vw95P19As7pCkL2-yiwutjBgpfHIImBg/edit), then.
This fic takes shipping both in it's literal form and the word we associate to 'relationshipping'.
This is fantastic.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 15, 2011, 10:32:36 pm
Alright, I've updated stories.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?bycrd80c8yp6lzn).
Also, TBP, that might very well be one of the strangest fanfics I've ever read. Then again, I haven't read that many.
You are awesome :D
Post by: Dsarker on November 15, 2011, 10:33:40 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 10:35:42 pm
Thank you!Alright, I've updated stories.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?bycrd80c8yp6lzn).
Also, TBP, that might very well be one of the strangest fanfics I've ever read. Then again, I haven't read that many.
You are awesome :D
Now I know all this work is worth it. :D
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 15, 2011, 10:37:40 pm
There's a lot of reasons I didn't like going through dozens of pages of the second pony thread (people mentioning fanfics by forumites that use completely different aliases everywhere else etc.), but this isn't one of them (http://imgur.com/a/P9ZWH). I now have an awesome new background.Thank you!Alright, I've updated stories.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?bycrd80c8yp6lzn).
Also, TBP, that might very well be one of the strangest fanfics I've ever read. Then again, I haven't read that many.
You are awesome :D
Now I know all this work is worth it. :D
You're doing this for the good of ponykind. This is not a waste of time.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 15, 2011, 10:43:59 pm
Thanks to you, too!There's a lot of reasons I didn't like going through dozens of pages of the second pony thread (people mentioning fanfics by forumites that use completely different aliases everywhere else etc.), but this isn't one of them (http://imgur.com/a/P9ZWH). I now have an awesome new background.Thank you!Alright, I've updated stories.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?bycrd80c8yp6lzn).
Also, TBP, that might very well be one of the strangest fanfics I've ever read. Then again, I haven't read that many.
You are awesome :D
Now I know all this work is worth it. :D
You're doing this for the good of ponykind. This is not a waste of time.
I've yet to figure out a good way to categorize the art. For example, where do you put sprites? Depending on whether they're sprites for the sake of art or sprites for the sake of a spriteset/skin, they should be categorized differently. Problem is, it's not always easy to tell.
Also, I really want to ask the artists first whether they're fine with me uploading everything in one file. There are a few artists who have posted a lot and have gotten better over time, so they might not want their oldest pictures to be easily available. ^^
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 12:20:39 am
I'm expanding my RD shipping fic, mostly because I'm bored. It's probably going to suck, and even if it doesn't it's not going on EqD since it will likely be too small and I don't really care that much anyway.O..kay, that was actually a lot less... 'dirty' than I feared you'd make it. (Then again, she'd only just arrived to the destination so far :P) So far, so well done! :)
Oh, look, I never actually posted. Here we are (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FuBQha2JYb1Vw95P19As7pCkL2-yiwutjBgpfHIImBg/edit), then.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 16, 2011, 12:40:09 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 16, 2011, 01:29:04 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 06:31:47 am
Forgot to answer this. The PPC are the Protectors of the Plot Continuum (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtectorsOfThePlotContinuum) and their... reports, on "clearing" certain "damaged" pieces of fanfiction make a fairly interesting read.
Yes, you have, and what are the PPC?
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 06:33:43 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 06:47:03 am
Well, like I said, you've already outdone yourself on the grimdark side, the upcoming parts in the sequel are more of an upward curve (a slow one, but still). You could at least try. I believe since you were the one, er, "handling" Rarity, you could take the first day section of Friends Indeed? Or perhaps since you don't like Rarity, take someone else instead? I'd try and make an event framework or a draft for it, but other than for the sections for Fluttershy and Twilight, I've got no ideas. Handling psychological damage and relevant characterization dynamics are things I'm probably the most distant from of everything else covered in the fic.
Or wait, darn second language. Hm. You can't think of anything but grimdark, and you don't want to write grimdark? A conundrum there, aye.. especially seeing as we don't really need grimdark anymore.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 06:54:17 am
I'm going to be unable to do much over the next four or five days. Got relatives visiting.
Well, relative and fiance visiting.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 07:04:22 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 07:06:31 am
(Well, I figure someone has to coordinate the efforts. The writing team's falling apart! I blame Skyrim again. ninja edit: And yes, that too.)
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 07:10:23 am
Forgot to answer this. The PPC are the Protectors of the Plot Continuum (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtectorsOfThePlotContinuum) and their... reports, on "clearing" certain "damaged" pieces of fanfiction make a fairly interesting read.
Yes, you have, and what are the PPC?
I'm protected via the classic Warhammer Continuity clause.
In layman's terms, it says that everything and anything that doesn't obey canon, doesn't make sense, directly contradicts another source, misrepresents a character, or likewise, is merely propaganda, badly recorded history, mutated via oral tradition, was pure myth and legend, or was a plot by the Chaos Gods.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 07:21:26 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 07:36:25 am
The gun that is the weakest is still automatic firing and can blow meter holes in concrete. Several beings are playing chess with the entire universe, and several of them are constantly rewriting the rules to give an advantage where they see fit.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 16, 2011, 07:38:46 am
Well, like I said, straight-up crossover universes aren't usually their jurisdiction. I'm just going to need their help - can you imagine how freaking many branches a typical 'verse can spawn in a day, let alone a few decades? Cropping a tree that size is going to be a fairly huge amount of work, so I'll need a staff. Even if all they'll be able to do is take out the minute-rate microbranches, that's still a mighty chunk off the energy required to reparent the source 'verse.
This is relevant to my interests.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 07:40:56 am
Let me guess. Shipping universes now? It'd be an amazing satirical piece, I must say.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 16, 2011, 07:43:36 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 07:45:35 am
"Oooh.." cried My Little Pony Friendship is Magic, as Warhammer gallantly caught her before she fell. "I could never let that happen, my sweet," he began.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 07:46:09 am
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 07:55:28 am
Also, wow. Shipping universes? That's new. I suspect the term "Big Bang" will inevitably be used.
Also, this picture is relevant to another kind of universe shipping:
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Post by: Fniff on November 16, 2011, 08:56:24 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 16, 2011, 08:58:17 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 09:03:56 am
Also, don't you know that opposites attract?
Post by: Fniff on November 16, 2011, 09:04:49 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 09:07:39 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 09:21:33 am
And it's good to know that my writing doesn't suck.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 16, 2011, 10:19:51 am
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Post by: MC Dirty on November 16, 2011, 10:33:59 am
Also, I've just found metric shittons of stuff by Argembarger. A few stories, a few poems and a lot of art.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 10:43:53 am
Now, Dsarker, don't lynch me for this. My total knowledge of the Warhammer 40K universe comes from me admiring the models and whatever I happen to dredge up on the wiki. If it's bad enough, the Chaos Gods did it :pAnd that, people, is how you write a readable Warhammer40K fic with ponies. (No offense, Dsarker. Speaking of which, I should really try and read your other crossover.) Barely a flicker on the input graph, not a spot on the shields - well done. I'm fairly sure that it'd be hard-to-impossible to do a real "nice" fic with a WH40K universe and ponies (and more importantly, the M6), but I suspect that as long as it doesn't pit named canon ponies against each other, it'll be a smooth ride even if they die as the story progresses.A bit light for the WH40K universe, I know, but that's what ponies do to things :pSpoiler (click to show/hide)
I mean, anybody seen TTGL? Even if one of the M6 was Kamina (PinKamena? RD is definitely Kittan, with the way he dies) and other named and important ponies were in the redshirt parts of the Dai-Gurren Brigade, it wouldn't be as horrible as Dsarker's latest WH40K mini-fic.
(Oh, I can just imagine Celestia as Lordgenome... and then her head in a jar. This will be GLORIOUS. If Fluttershy didn't work so well as Nia, I'd suggest Luna for the role.)
edit: more thoughts on the hypothetical TTGL crossover. Which character is which, so far.
- Simon the Digger - I initially thought Twilight would be good for this role, but ultimately it's too far out of her character, except for the whole "incredible source of power" part. If RD were Kamina, Scootaloo could work for the role, but I see her as more of a Gimmy replacement, because of age. Rarity, the other unicorn in the group (going for the obvious spiral horn analogy here) is even further from this... so, perhaps Twilight will have to do - protagonist in both shows. Spike, while a tempting option, would really clash with the later theme of form defining spiral power (or perhaps improve on it, if we go meta, since he's more humanoid), and perhaps won't really work post-timeskip too well.
- Kamina - Wealth of options there. First option, as the epitome of all things cool, would be Rainbow Dash - but having her killed off so soon doesn't sit well with me, and besides - destroying the Spiral Death Machine with a Giga Drill RainBreaker (oh gog) would be the most awesome way to go. A Just For Pun option - PinKamena. Actually works pretty well, since she's an earth pony (Kamina is the least Spirally-powerful character in the series, or one of, according to WoG) with some pretty awesome abilities and party-organizing skills. Having HER killed off so soon is probably even worse though, but I can't see any other good role she could fill besides Attenborough or one of the Black Siblings. Using a background or non-main pony would lessen the impact of the plot-induced death, but it's hard to find one that the Simon character would reasonably be able to look up to. Spitfire or Soarin (or any of the Wonderbolts) could work if Simon was RD, but for Twilight it'd have to be either Celestia (who matches Lordgenome way too well), or Luna (who is either Nia or the Anti-spiral as NMM). As a complete alternative, a grown-up Spike could work as a Kamina, fitting well almost everywhere except for the fact it'd have to be a hell of a timeskip in relation to the show.
- Yoko Littner - First option here would be Applejack, in everything but the fact she'd have to act as a love interest to first Kamina, then Simon (i.e. Spike and Twilight). If Rarity is chosen for this instead, the first part would work better with Spike as Kamina. Other options include Pinkie (no way, though the hair matches), or a background pony, which wouldn't work well for a major character such as Yoko.
My laptop's running low on power, so saving this in case it abruptly shuts down. More later.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 16, 2011, 11:48:29 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 16, 2011, 12:24:30 pm
i hate(love) you all for introducing me to MLP! i cant stop reading fan made stories, i read TechHorse, Quest for Romance and a few others.
Here is a
The Elements of Gaming (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/07/story-elements-of-gaming.html)
Fallout: Equestria (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/story-fallout-equestria.html) - Easily in the top 5 MLP fics of all time
My Little Hangover (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/09/story-my-little-hangover.html)
Ponies Play D&D (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/75/Ponies-Play-D&%3bD)
Stargate: Equestria (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/05/story-stargate-equestria.html) - Feels like an episode of SG-1
Jack and the Ponies (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/05/story-jack-and-ponies.html) - Feels like an ep of Samurai Jack, rather than an episode of MLP; apparently this bothered some people, for some reason
On the Equestrian Republic and Equestrian Citizenship (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ugszBIiJT6aP9qUmhjs-I3YS9iFGcOpzwBijRHJfue0/edit?hl=en_US#) - fauxhistorical document hilarity
Princess Molestia - obviously I'm not going to link to it, as I'd rather avoid a mute. Keep in mind that it is actually very well done, and never goes into detail that would warrant more than a PG-13 rating. You can find it on fimfiction.
Breaking Bricks (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/08/story-breaking-bricks.html) - One of my favorite OC stories, very well done
Of Cores and Alicorn (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/09/story-of-cores-and-alicorn.html) - Banished!Luna + Wheatley and co.
The Creature that Came to Ponyville (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/story-creature-that-came-to-ponyville.html) - MLP/Alien crossover
My Little Dashie (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/10/story-my-little-dashie.html) - read it, and cry manly tears
The Sock Swap (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/08/story-sock-swap.html) - Luna, socks, humor, need I say more?
The Cutie Mark Clash (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/06/story-cutie-mark-clash.html) - a parody of/homage to practically every fighting game ever, in pony wrapping. I hardly ever play fighting games, and I still loved it, even if I missed half the references
Past Sins (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/07/story-past-sins.html) - Remember how I mentioned FO:E being in the top five MLP fics of all time? This may very well be the best. It certainly has the best OC of all time.
Timelords and Terror (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/story-timelords-and-terror.html) - Very good Doctor Who crossover
Mines of Dragon Mountain (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/05/story-mines-of-dragon-mountain.html) - another in the same vein by the same author: A Doctor Who ep in pony wrapping.
Progress (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6982210/1/Progress) - 25 chapters of Luna being adorable while getting used to modern Equestria and counting
My Little Avengers (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/10/story-my-little-avengers.html) - Avengers crossover, includes tolerable Blueblood as Tony Stark. Also, the author is one of the fastest updaters I have ever seen.
Growing Pains (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7252679/1/Growing_Pains) - One of the better M6 adventure epics out there
Post by: MC Dirty on November 16, 2011, 01:40:41 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 16, 2011, 02:18:05 pm
Also:
FO:E Horizons Project (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/08/fallout-equestria-project-horizons.html) is as godlike as FO:E. Read it.
Post by: BowlSoldier on November 16, 2011, 03:03:06 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 03:09:00 pm
Thirdly, if you are Ultramarines, you'll want their Tyrannic War veterans. Among these are those that penetrated an entire Tyranid bio fleet to destroy the Norn Queen, the progenitor of the entire fleet, and survived. Fourthly, if you're doing Ultramarines, what the hell is a Captain doing on the battlefield without his full company? You want either a sergeant (For a single squad) or a Force Commander (For multiple squads).
Fifthly, why the hell does Twilight even feel the slightest twinge of nervousness? Space Marines crave the hardest missions. They don't have fear. Sixthly, why is Twilight armed with a Bolt Pistol but no apparent force or close combat or power weapon?
Also, remember this. Space Marine squads don't get cannibalised. They get reinforced by reserve squads. That's the way of the Codex Astartes. Ultramarines would follow that more than most.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 03:15:33 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 03:17:16 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 16, 2011, 03:18:55 pm
In short, Pinkie is the granddaugther of Death's horse Binky and joins Death as an assistant. Hijinks, hilarity and cake ensue.
Edit: Also, I've just noticed that Argembarger is OFFICIALLY FAMOUS!!! Well, not really, but his fanfic "the spiderses" has an article on TVTropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanFic/TheSpiderses).
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 03:28:39 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 16, 2011, 03:40:49 pm
Now, Dsarker, don't lynch me for this. My total knowledge of the Warhammer 40K universe comes from me admiring the models and whatever I happen to dredge up on the wiki. If it's bad enough, the Chaos Gods did it :p
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This is why I was nervous about writing a WH40K fic in the first place; I have no idea what the hell I'm doing :p
While we're linking good fanfiction:
Monster Mash (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/1451/The-Monster-Mash) is a hilarious and well-written collection of supernatural stories set in Equestria.
Caramel's Light (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/780/Caramel%27s-Light) is a cute shipping story, if you're into that kind of thing.
U-Harmony (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/753/U-Harmony) is a parody of online dating services, also well-written and hilarious.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 03:41:56 pm
Less than twenty Space Marines remained. Heroism the likes of which Learchus had only read about in history had kept them alive for nearly fourty minutes, but the end was drawing near. Horrified men of the Guard watched the Space Marines' last stand from the District Sextus wall, unable to help them. Learchus would not have wanted their help anyway.
This was a glorious battle, a fitting way for any servant of the Emperor to meet his end. He and Chaplain Astador fought back-to-back, killing aliens with ferocity and skill.
A mound of alien corpses surrounded the Space Marines, hundreds deep, and the shrinking ring of fighting warriors stood atop the mound, battling like heroes of legend.
Another warrior fell, dragged down by alien claws and Learchus felt the spirit of the martyr move within him. As he hacked down another hisssing beast, he began to sing, a rousing hymnal from the dawn of the Imperium, a battle song to stir the hearts of all who heard it.
Astador joined him and soon every one of the Space Marines was raising their voices to the heavens in praise of the Emperor as the tyranids closed in for the kill.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 16, 2011, 03:55:07 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 16, 2011, 03:57:48 pm
6 Angry Mares (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/10/story-6-angry-mares.html) - It's 12 Angry Men x My Little Pony. It stays fairly true to both originals and is quite powerful.
Memory (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6912681/1/Memory) - I've just posted this a few pages ago, but it bears repeating. It's so good. Also, it's a sadfic.
A Million Things To Do (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7524617/1/A_Million_Things_to_Do) - Pinkie says the world will end tomorrow, so she does all the things she has always wanted to do. Funny at parts and a really good, rather serious ending.
the spiderses (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/08/story-spiderses.html) - omglol diz is liek da bset stoyr evar!
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Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 04:02:01 pm
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/its-dangerous-business-going-out-your.html
Those are all I've read. And they're damn good.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 04:08:52 pm
On a related note, I just read My Little Dashie. I can't say I didn't cry at all - but I guess I did it at the wrong times. Didn't quite feel the sadness in the end - barriers getting in the way again. I did feel happy for the protagonist improving his life through the experience - tiny tears of joy do count for a sadfic, right?
Post by: kaijyuu on November 16, 2011, 04:09:51 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 04:10:21 pm
Here's all the fanfictions I've read:Whoah, that's quite the list. How do you find time to track them all?
Post by: kaijyuu on November 16, 2011, 04:12:12 pm
Post by: drilltooth on November 16, 2011, 04:16:24 pm
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/67/The-Ballad-of-Twilight-Sparkle
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/1695/Nightfall-at-Sweet-Apple-Acres -this is a really sad one, except for pinkie's chapter.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/20/Antipodes -still working though it, but great so far.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/706/Substitute-Harmony
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 04:19:35 pm
Now, Dsarker, don't lynch me for this. My total knowledge of the Warhammer 40K universe comes from me admiring the models and whatever I happen to dredge up on the wiki. If it's bad enough, the Chaos Gods did it :pSpoiler (click to show/hide)
This is why I was nervous about writing a WH40K fic in the first place; I have no idea what the hell I'm doing :p
Easy way.
Learn the weapons, learn two groups of Imperials, and one group of enemies.
One group of the Imperials is your protagonist group. They're basically perfect, with maybe one or two flaws. Second group is your cannon fodder and borderline heretical group. If they're Space Marines, they do strange rituals and don't follow the codex astartes/follow it too much/another variation. If they're Guard, they're untrained, cowards, and badly equipped, or elitist, rich, smug noble bastards. Your heroes don't like them much, and can only stand them because they're both servants of the Emperor. Second group either betrays the protagonists and gets beaten soundly, or reforms and becomes more like the protagonists.
Enemy attacks. Good guys fight them off.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 04:24:34 pm
Anyway, I've found that despite writing a few fanfics I don't really read them all that much. I also seem to have an aversion to crossovers, which is why I've managed to avoid reading some of the ones people say are really good.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 04:27:42 pm
Remember, it's all propaganda.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 16, 2011, 04:31:20 pm
Everyone starts somewhere. Today: cliche plots. Tomorrow (next year :p): hopefully in-universe, decent stories. I've been attracted to WH40K if only for the pretty pictures for a long time now, so it's about time I learned about... you know, the actual universe. :D
Post by: MC Dirty on November 16, 2011, 04:45:56 pm
That sounds very cliche. I guess it's a good way to start, though. Not something I would wave around proudly.Well, you gotta remember that you can condense every story ever into two sentences and it always sound silly/clichée/outright bad. I'd link to TVTropes "Better Than It Sounds" page which is a collection of exactly those sentences, but TVTropes always tends to trap people, so I'm not gonna. Just believe me.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 04:49:00 pm
Anyway, a tornado just came through my city. Thankfully, it seems infrastructure is intact enough for me to keep talking.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 04:51:38 pm
Imperium - the empire of humanity. Founded by the God Emperor, who, funnily enough, promoted atheism throughout his walking life. However, this was to weaken the Chaos Gods, not because he didn't believe they existed. Allied with the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Adeptus Astartes, who are not, however, under their control. They have control of the Imperial Guard, who range from conscripted cannon fodder to elite soldiers fully capable of holding back enemy advances on their own. However, their main strength is their tanks.
They are protected from heresy and treason by two groups- the Inquisition and the Arbites. Arbites are effectively FBI, but with power armour, licence to kill anyone they damn well please, and are based throughout the Imperium. They enforce the law without mercy. They also conduct culls to maintain the population of a hive world at controllable levels, which basically means they go into the underhives and shoot several hundred thousand people, then go back for coffee and donuts and call it a day. The Inquisition are basically Arbites but without the mercy or compassion for people. They are above and beyond the law. They alone have the jurisdiction to order the destruction of a planet, known as Exterminatus.
The Imperium also has among them the Officio Assassinorum. Made of 6 clades, or groups. One clade does the electronic stuff, another works by poison, another is made to kill psykers by being unsensable by them and removing their powers, another works by brutally killing everything and everyone in the area just to make sure they got the right guy, another works by sniping, and the last works by infiltration and disguise such that they actually alter their own bodies.
They also have death cult assassins, who make their act of worship to the Emperor by killing his enemies.
Attached to the Imperium is the Adeptus Administratum. Think of the greatest amount of red tape in government work you could possibly imagine, and know that the Administratum is far less efficient than that. They make sure everyone pays their taxes.
Next comes the Adeptus Mechanicus. This is allied to but not controlled by the Imperium. They are the Tech Priests. They make things work by rituals. They're on the quest for knowledge, which involves finding an intact STC, not doing tech heresy like science or the like. They operate the Titan Legions. Think Mechwarrior, then think that the battlemechs are small compared to Titans. Their scout ones have as much firepower as the Battlemechs do. Large ones have huge ranges and the firepower to simply wipe cities off the map, as if they had never been there. They also maintain all the technology of the Imperium.
The Adeptus Astartes are the Space Marines. All male. All the people they 'harvest' for becoming a Space Marine are prime physical specimens, who are then indoctrinated, trained, and genetically modified to become superhuman. They can lose their heart and stay alive. They could lose both their lungs and survive. They could drink down poison as if it were water and survive. They can spit acid. They are better than humans in every single way. They can eat rocks. They can survive for several days fully awake and alert. They are faster than you, stronger than you, tougher than you. Their chest is bullet proof.
They're also not technically part of the Imperium.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 16, 2011, 05:00:04 pm
What exactly are psykers? I get that they have some kind of superhuman power, but what exactly are those and where do they come from? Are they even technically human? And how do the different groups think about them? Do they employ the Paranoia point of view where Having Special Powers Is Treason? Or are some psykers loyal servants to the Imperium and thus accepted?
I should probably just read the wiki instead of wasting everyone's time...
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 05:07:33 pm
Psykers have a strong connection to the Warp, making them extremely potent and dangerous. Imperial psykers are usually rounded up and thrown into the Astronomicon, where their psychic powers are bled dry to make a gigantic beacon that Imperial ships use to navigate the Warp. Trained psykers are also used by the Imperial Guard as special support.
A psyker who tries to go against the Imperium is referred to as a witch. They are usually hunted down and killed.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 05:10:32 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 16, 2011, 05:57:34 pm
You can find it here. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/17C5CXumqC9EURsG_EjUveiKYtWsBK9H5ld03fR0Ehs0/edit?hl=en_US#)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 06:06:15 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 16, 2011, 06:07:46 pm
::)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 06:09:33 pm
I feel a sudden need to feed that fic into a text-to-speech program... just to hear this being read.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 06:11:12 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 06:12:20 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 16, 2011, 06:15:55 pm
Trying too hard. Make it less obvious.I think being obvious was the point here.
Actually, one way to do it would be to make a genuinely deep, immersive, epic story - all written like that. Make it work, and you have the penultimate piece of fanfiction. Make it so the desire to read the story to the end is just barely stronger than the opposite reaction to the style. Then it's a masterpiece.
ninja edit - personally, I think it's trying to do a double integer overflow reacharound - going past Bad into So Bad It's Good, past that into So Bad It's Horrible, and past that into So Horrible It Can Only Be Art. The jury's still up on whether or not it succeeded - I'm not much for art, personally. :)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 16, 2011, 06:24:56 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 06:28:47 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 16, 2011, 06:30:27 pm
Edit: There actually is! (http://db.tt/2n5o9Oq4) I wasn't quite sure how shared links worked up until now, but this should work just fine. If you wanna stay up to date on all the fanfics that I find, you should use that link.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 16, 2011, 06:46:12 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 16, 2011, 07:14:13 pm
What...
Just...
What...
But still, one question remains. why is everything bigger and eight?
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 16, 2011, 07:25:11 pm
What the hell?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 07:29:14 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 07:29:55 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 16, 2011, 07:54:09 pm
Yeah, it's lulzworthy, isn't it?It definitely is! Glad I read it, actually. I enjoy trollfics (NO, not the Grimdark kind) quite a lot.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 08:25:16 pm
Fluttershy started to smile as she saw the three Cutie Mark Crusaders.
"Isn't this going to be fun! The sun will be up forever and that means you don't have to sleep anymore! Just do more crusading, forever and ever! And then you'll get your cutie marks! This will be great fun! Celestia is the greatest, isn't she! Giving us such a blessing! Playing together forever! No more sleeping! No more crying! No more hate! No more suffering!"
Fluttershy continued to smile.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 08:40:23 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 08:50:51 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 08:53:46 pm
1984 in Equestria. That would be absolutely horrifying to get involved in.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 16, 2011, 09:41:54 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 10:06:12 pm
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Never actually read 1984, so I have no idea if this is anything like it. It's probably pretty far-flung from it, but it's what I thought up.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 16, 2011, 10:15:12 pm
You've got the Elements of "Community, Identity, Stability".
"And that," put in Celestia sententiously, "that is the secret of happiness and virtue-liking what you've got to do. All conditioning aims at that: making ponies like their inescapable social destiny."
"What pony has joined, nature is powerless to put asunder."
Re: Cupcakes: "One cubic centimeter cures ten gloomy sentiments."
I mean really, I just pulled some of the more famous quotes and they all fit perfectly.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 16, 2011, 10:18:45 pm
I don't think I'm quite prepared in the literary department to make such a fanfic, now. I'll let someone else take the ball and roll with it.
Post by: Dsarker on November 16, 2011, 10:26:37 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 16, 2011, 10:38:48 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 02:13:25 am
The hallway smelt of boiled cabbage and old rag mats. At one end of it a coloured poster, too large for indoor display, had been tacked to the wall. It depicted simply an enormous face, more than a metre wide: the face of a mare of about forty-five, with multicoloured, translucent hair and alluringly beautiful features. Twilight made for the stairs. It was no use trying the lift. Even at the best of times it was seldom working, and at present the electric current was cut off during daylight hours. It was part of the economy drive in preparation for Hate Week. The flat was seven flights up, and Twilight, who was thirty nine and had a varicose ulcer on her right ankle, went slowly, resting several times on the way. On each landing, opposite the lift shaft, the poster with the enormous face gazed from the wall. It was one of those posters which are so contrived that the eyes follow you about when you move. BIG SISTER IS WATCHING YOU, the caption beneath it ran.
Inside the flat a fruity voice was reading out a list of figures which had something to do with the production of pig-iron. The voice came from an oblong metal plaque like a dulled mirror which formed part of the surface of the right-hand wall. Twilight turned a switch and the voice sank somewhat, though the words were still distinguishable. The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely. She moved over to the window: a smallish, frail figure, the meagreness of her body merely emphasised by the blue saddle which was the uniform of the Party. Her mane was very dark, her face naturally sanguine, her hide roughened by coarse soap and the cold of the winter that had just ended.
Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 03:22:53 am
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Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 04:34:31 am
whats your favourite pony/ponies in MLP?
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Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 04:35:24 am
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 04:46:16 am
what i thought of TechHorse
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Post by: Trapezohedron on November 17, 2011, 04:52:44 am
/trollface
Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 04:53:23 am
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 06:02:50 am
but shes cool and here is the spoiler to techhorse read at your own something
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Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 06:33:43 am
Mane six go to a little known country named Russmare on a diplomatic mission to make friends! Then it turns out that Russmare is a Soviet dictatorship with a huge fantasy of killing everyone in Equestria and extremely advanced technology, up to and including nuclear weapons. Then a civil war breaks out between two sides who equally hate Equestria in different ways and what little order remained is completely gone. The Mane Six have to escape Russmare and warn Celestia before any of the two sides start a war against Equestria using their highly advanced technology. Gets worse from there, ends with one pony surviving, the rest being broken before killed horribly.
Post by: Neyvn on November 17, 2011, 06:45:18 am
She is starting to get into it, I am just loving the comedy. Not Broney, but still finding it funny...
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 06:54:01 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 07:04:58 am
Fun idea for fanfiction.Ever so cheerful, eh? So what happens then? One pony survives, the rest are killed horribly, and then? Assuming one pony does make it to Celestia and tells her the others were murdered... how is that supposed to stop the war? Especially considering it's not just any five dead ponies. Technology or no, highly advanced or no, Equestria will rise in just anger to strike the first blow against Russmare in righteous vengeance - considering Equestria is supposed to be a utopian version of the US, this is anything but far-fetched. Russmare, being a pastiche of Russia (or more accurately, Soviet Union), will likely put up quite a big fight, perhaps everything boiling down to an exchange of magical and technological WMD's... and that's how Fallout:Equestria was made. :P
Mane six go to a little known country named Russmare on a diplomatic mission to make friends! Then it turns out that Russmare is a Soviet dictatorship with a huge fantasy of killing everyone in Equestria and extremely advanced technology, up to and including nuclear weapons. Then a civil war breaks out between two sides who equally hate Equestria in different ways and what little order remained is completely gone. The Mane Six have to escape Russmare and warn Celestia before any of the two sides start a war against Equestria using their highly advanced technology. Gets worse from there, ends with one pony surviving, the rest being broken before killed horribly.
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 07:19:07 am
Eeeeh, it's more of a matter of giving prep time then actually stopping anything... I mean, would you rather be taken by surprise or know when they are going to strike? The point of telling them was that Russmare was preparing an invasion force, got sidetracked by a civil war and the winning side got all the technology and feels like continuing what the original country started.Fun idea for fanfiction.Ever so cheerful, eh? So what happens then? One pony survives, the rest are killed horribly, and then? Assuming one pony does make it to Celestia and tells her the others were murdered... how is that supposed to stop the war? Especially considering it's not just any five dead ponies. Technology or no, highly advanced or no, Equestria will rise in just anger to strike the first blow against Russmare in righteous vengeance - considering Equestria is supposed to be a utopian version of the US, this is anything but far-fetched. Russmare, being a pastiche of Russia (or more accurately, Soviet Union), will likely put up quite a big fight, perhaps everything boiling down to an exchange of magical and technological WMD's... and that's how Fallout:Equestria was made. :P
Mane six go to a little known country named Russmare on a diplomatic mission to make friends! Then it turns out that Russmare is a Soviet dictatorship with a huge fantasy of killing everyone in Equestria and extremely advanced technology, up to and including nuclear weapons. Then a civil war breaks out between two sides who equally hate Equestria in different ways and what little order remained is completely gone. The Mane Six have to escape Russmare and warn Celestia before any of the two sides start a war against Equestria using their highly advanced technology. Gets worse from there, ends with one pony surviving, the rest being broken before killed horribly.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 08:03:42 am
And as soon as I start typing this, I suddenly think up a fanfic where the main 6 find out that the Elements make them all immortal, so they all start trying to brutally murder each other for fun. I'm now trying to think up just what their mental justifications are, as well as who strikes the first blow.
I call a vote that we put the subtitle "now with 20% more fanfic" on the end of the title. All in favor?
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 08:06:17 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 08:15:45 am
And I believe the "M6 are immortal due to Elements" has already been explored, in a way, in The Light Never Goes Out. They don't try to kill each other though, so you could create a sort of an Unreal Tournament crossover, if you want.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 08:20:42 am
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 08:24:55 am
I already came up with one for Twilight!
Twilight: gets shot in the eye, bleeds out fifteen yards from Equestrian border.
Hm... Needs a certain... Addition...
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 08:27:21 am
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 08:31:50 am
Rarity: Burned alive. When trying to give supplies out to help the ponies, a group of rebels ask her politely to stop giving out supplies to the people and give it to them. When she refuses, the rebels take all the supplies, tie her to a chair and leave her in a burning building.
Rainbow Dash: Tortured to death while refusing to tell the location of her friends to the government.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 08:32:31 am
no! 120% more guts and ponies!Yeah, 120% more pony guts. I'm no longer even sure we have a single writer here that hasn't written about some pony being horribly murdered and/or mutilated. Well, myself excluded, but I can only be called a "writer" in the same sense that a Lada can be called a car. I did make a tyrannosaurus/dragon munch on a Fluttershy, but that was tiny, spur-of-the-moment, and a drawing. ;D
I'd give you some ideas, Fniff, but I've decided that I'm through giving you people ideas. At least as far as your little "side projects" are concerned.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 08:35:09 am
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 08:35:44 am
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 08:44:16 am
and idea how?
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 08:47:15 am
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 08:48:30 am
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 08:50:14 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 08:51:36 am
All right, but I'm not sure you can work the "Killed by their Elements" concept into all the M6's deaths. I mean, dying of laughter? I suppose Honesty could work with telling the truth to the wrong person or at a wrong time (or lying too obviously), Kindness with helping the wrong person (or dying while helping the right person, kinda like the Cockatrice incident, except fatal), and Magic... well, magic. So someone's death is going to have to be shoehorned in, and so it depends on whom you intend to leave alive. Twilight being the one to remain makes the most sense (again, protagonist), so you'll have to find a way to kill Pinkie with Laughter. I got nothing.
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 08:56:36 am
Pinkie falls from an apartment roof while trying to escape from the secret police for starting a party because she wanted to make the apartment block she was in happy. Laughter is basically causing happiness in my opinion, so by trying to make ponies happy she doomed herself.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 08:58:17 am
unable to tame an animal
pinkie could die by eating poisened maffins/cupcaked eating t omany cupcakes/muffins
Post by: Zangi on November 17, 2011, 08:59:01 am
Parties are illegal due to the possibility of traitorous activity. Any party-makers will be detained.Or the party gets forcibly... stopped.
Pinkie falls from an apartment roof while trying to escape from the secret police for starting a party because she wanted to make the apartment block she was in happy. Laughter is basically causing happiness in my opinion, so by trying to make ponies happy she doomed herself.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 08:59:46 am
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 09:05:49 am
Post by: Zangi on November 17, 2011, 09:08:16 am
Do they die on the first attempt?
Or do they keep trying and get 'punished' for it each time?
Do they succeed or fail in any of these attempts?
Do they come out scarred mentally or physically... or will this be their final act?
Based on their past success and failures... of themselves and their friends... what justifies them continuing to try to do what they do?
As they try to... 'do better'...
I suppose if its gonna be a one shot get 5/6 killed fanfic... yea, guess it works...
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 09:09:46 am
its the best idea
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 09:14:37 am
Drago, humans have been proven throughout history to be not all that great. However, making the ponies be as bad as us makes it better, since we don't expect the ponies to be as bad.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 09:17:16 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 09:18:04 am
Anyway, since I got several yeas and no nays, name change.
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 09:20:29 am
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 10:30:23 am
(http://i.imgur.com/YQnOw.gif)
Anyway, just finished reading the 12 chapters of Allegrezza. It's a Vinyl Scratch x Octavia shipping story. I really enjoyed it. Not gonna link it here because it's objectively not really that good. It's not a bad story either, but the first two or so chapters have a really inconsistent style and some scenes go on way longer than they should. No idea why I liked it, really. Probably because it's kinda cute.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 11:13:52 am
Spoiler: no one look at my wish! (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: :O (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 11:19:00 am
Post by: kaijyuu on November 17, 2011, 11:23:21 am
It's not like unicorns have a monopoly on magic. Pegasi and earth ponies just use their magic passively... well mostly. The sonic rainboom for example definitely isn't rooted in physics, nor is it really a passive ability. I suspect any pegasus or earth pony with a strong handle on their abilities can control their magic (see: wonderbolt cloud trails).
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 11:25:48 am
Murphy's law also applies to polymorphing.
So, yeah, maybe you will get sent to Equestria. But there is a chance that you will get sent into the Hell dimension in Event Horizon. Maybe you will be a pony, but there is another chance you might end up as a mind-breaking abomination. Maybe you will get normal magic as a unicorn, but what if you end up with magic that makes you Alex Mercer or maybe a walking wasteland? I don't wanna take those chances.
I would not be a pony. I would come as a human, have an escape route and make sure that I haven't ended up in a dark Silent Hill-esque reflection of the real Equestria or something like that.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 11:30:30 am
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Hey, that story you have all been BOMBARDING COMMENTS WITH for the last month finally has a new chapter. I hope you're happy.
*Flying Dice has not updated for nearly a month. Last comment on story post was written by Flying Dice on October 27, 22 days ago.*
Oh Seth, you vicious scoundrel.
So yeah, post some stuff on the comments on EqD as well. Preferably making fun of me.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 11:31:31 am
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 11:33:52 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 11:38:01 am
Maybe Celestia or Luna would eventually come save me or put me out if my misery.
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 11:41:09 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 11:42:26 am
I already am mad.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 11:44:08 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 11:47:55 am
Besides, we've never actually seen a brain get filled to capacity. As long as input isn't too much, the brain seems to be capable of a hell of a lot of storage.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 11:48:57 am
i would like to be a pony in Equestria even if i were mortal, i would jsut like to have a very long lifespan, and it would be cool cause of magic and that and
Post by: drilltooth on November 17, 2011, 12:04:37 pm
Post by: Zangi on November 17, 2011, 12:08:01 pm
If I was a mind-breaking abomination I severely doubt I'd end up in Equestria. If I had the misfortune of being a mind-breaking abomination in Equestria I'd hide in some cave and put up warning signs. If anyone entered anyway they'd pretty much earn their fate.
Maybe Celestia or Luna would eventually come save me or put me out if my misery.
Well, you probably wouldn't be so lonely if you break a few adventuress ponies... hey.. if you get lucky 1 or 2 might not run away and not waste away in the madness.
Post by: Sonlirain on November 17, 2011, 12:31:37 pm
Pesnonally i'd kinda like to be a pegasus. No matter equastria or not.
They can freaking FLY (and fast)!
Can live off grass (so you can literally have food for free).
And walk on clouds (and build houses out of them).
Unicorns and Earth ponies are far less interesting in comparison.
Unicorns can usually do what i can do with my hands (telekinesis) when it comes to manipulating objects and have one special trick at most (with the exeption of the rare ponies that have magic as their calling).
And let's not get started on about earth ponies since they are basically normal everyday horses with the added inteligence and ability to talk... not so hot TBH.
In short - Pegasus Ponies are best ponies.
You may say both EP and Unicorns can live off grass... but they also can't do things i cannot do as a human with working hands and 5 fingers on each.
Pegasus ponies on the other hand/hoof...
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 17, 2011, 12:34:42 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 12:56:55 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 01:03:04 pm
I would rather be able to fly than have fine motor control in a world without anything I enjoy that requires fine motor control. If Equestria had [s[Counter[/s]PonyStrike, on the other hoofcorrected
i would go either pegasus or unicorn, they are both awesome, but probably pegasus.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 01:06:13 pm
I would rather be able to fly than have fine motor control in a world without anything I enjoy that requires fine motor control. If Equestria hadcorrectedCounterPonyStrike, on the other hoof
i would go either pegasus or unicorn, they are both awesome, but probably pegasus.
Fixed that for you. And that really doesn't make sense. :P
Maybe if I was talking about, say, Too Human, but who the hell would talk about a game that shitty?
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 01:11:11 pm
I wouldn't like to be a pony.
You know what I would like to be?
The Chaos God of Conquering. Just straight-up Conquering. I'd be the end of everything. While you ponies are off rolling about, I'd conquer basically everything. I'd have the whole multiverse in my hands! While I annex Equestria you shall lament telling Fniff that becoming a Chaos God would have a multitude of problems! I'll shoooooow you allllll!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 01:20:48 pm
And besides, there's no such thing as Too Pony.Fixed that for you. And that really doesn't make sense. :PI would rather be able to fly than have fine motor control in a world without anything I enjoy that requires fine motor control. If Equestria hadcorrectedCounterPonyStrike, on the other hoof
i would go either pegasus or unicorn, they are both awesome, but probably pegasus.
Maybe if I was talking about, say, Too Human, but who the hell would talk about a game that shitty?
As far as ponyconversion goes, I'd choose a unicorn, probably. I enjoy creative arts more than I do rapid movement, and I'd likely make myself much more useful with a magic grasp (and a grasp of magic as well). If the choice was to stay in this world or become an earth pony in Equestria, I'd still convert. I'd probably become an inventor then. First things on the list - design tools actually meant for use with the mouth and hooves.
But, given the existence of certain individuals *glances at above post*, I'll probably remain in my usual form and role. I'd visit Equestria from time to time maybe, discreet like, and I'd probably use a lesser branch 'verse to avoid accidentally messing up the main sequence.
Post by: Sonlirain on November 17, 2011, 01:29:22 pm
Or even have some antimagic aura making it impossible for Pegasi to fly with them nearby and Unicorns would be denied of their magic.
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 01:31:04 pm
I was also thinking... what if humans that would visit equastria happened to be totally magic immune.
Or even have some antimagic aura making it impossible for Pegasi to fly with them nearby and Unicorns would be denied of their magic.
Would simply mean humans can't come into Equestria. What would make it more complicated would be that humans can take magic in. And can become as powerful as Twilight, or even Princess Celestia. What if humans could do magic, but didn't have any limits at all?
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 01:36:40 pm
Yeah, I'd probably just go with being a human. As I said, Murphy's Law applies topolyponymorphing. I could end up as the Chaos God of Chairs or something like that.
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pegasus is me. :D
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 01:39:05 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 01:40:16 pm
stop ruining my fun...
Spoiler: pegasus (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 01:47:22 pm
Yeah, I'd probably just go with being a human. As I said, Murphy's Law applies to polymorphing. I could end up as the Chaos God of Chairs or something like that.Going by Night Watch, most humans have a "positive Magic temperature" - i.e. they radiate their Magic as quickly - and perhaps more quickly - as they accumulate it from the world. Only a few, the Other, have a "temperature" lower than the ambient, meaning that while they still accumulate Magic from the world, they only let a part of it out, resulting in them having said Magic at their disposal. Now, assuming this is still true, and our world simply doesn't have ambient magic, once an Other enters Equestria, he'll be able to do magic as well as his "temperature" allows him to. If his output rate is zero, he'll be like a mini-magic-blackhole, actively draining the charge from the surroundings. Considering most ponies seem to be very connected to the ambient magic of Equestria, being around such a human would probably make them feel very bad.I was also thinking... what if humans that would visit equastria happened to be totally magic immune.
Or even have some antimagic aura making it impossible for Pegasi to fly with them nearby and Unicorns would be denied of their magic.
Would simply mean humans can't come into Equestria. What would make it more complicated would be that humans can take magic in. And can become as powerful as Twilight, or even Princess Celestia. What if humans could do magic, but didn't have any limits at all?
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 01:52:23 pm
That is a great basis for a fanfic! I'd write it myself if I was actually any good at writing in English. I could probably write it in German, but my thoughts don't translate too well to English.Yeah, I'd probably just go with being a human. As I said, Murphy's Law applies to polymorphing. I could end up as the Chaos God of Chairs or something like that.Going by Night Watch, most humans have a "positive Magic temperature" - i.e. they radiate their Magic as quickly - and perhaps more quickly - as they accumulate it from the world. Only a few, the Other, have a "temperature" lower than the ambient, meaning that while they still accumulate Magic from the world, they only let a part of it out, resulting in them having said Magic at their disposal. Now, assuming this is still true, and our world simply doesn't have ambient magic, once an Other enters Equestria, he'll be able to do magic as well as his "temperature" allows him to. If his output rate is zero, he'll be like a mini-magic-blackhole, actively draining the charge from the surroundings. Considering most ponies seem to be very connected to the ambient magic of Equestria, being around such a human would probably make them feel very bad.I was also thinking... what if humans that would visit equastria happened to be totally magic immune.
Or even have some antimagic aura making it impossible for Pegasi to fly with them nearby and Unicorns would be denied of their magic.
Would simply mean humans can't come into Equestria. What would make it more complicated would be that humans can take magic in. And can become as powerful as Twilight, or even Princess Celestia. What if humans could do magic, but didn't have any limits at all?
What I'm trying to say is:
Somebody! Do this story!
Oh, also, I've updated the story folder (http://db.tt/2n5o9Oq4) again. The only thing I've added is the recent chapter of "To Set Right".
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 01:53:04 pm
(http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/150/f/2011/234/e/4/mlp_blacknight_remake_by_grand_nothern_dragon-d47hpur.png)
Post by: Zaerosz on November 17, 2011, 02:23:24 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 02:35:33 pm
Post by: Zaerosz on November 17, 2011, 02:37:37 pm
I fail to see how that relates to either Twilight in any sense. Care to elaborate?
Post by: Telgin on November 17, 2011, 02:39:43 pm
On one hand, wanting to be anything other than an earth pony sort of makes me feel like I'm trying to be better than "normal". The ponies don't get to pick what they are, and just have to accept what genetics gives them, but wanting to be a unicorn because they have magic... I dunno, maybe this would make more sense in context of writing a story.
Anyway, of the choices I'd probably pick a unicorn. Magic is just too useful to ignore. Pegasi can fly, but unicorns can probably learn to do something similar with magic (and for all I know have in the show already). And the ability to perform fine motor actions is too important to me to ignore.
Heck, if the average unicorn can do 1/10th of what Twilight Sparkle can, then being a unicorn is hands down the choice for me.
Pegasus would be the next choice, because flying would be pretty awesome if I couldn't have magic.
Not sure I'd be happy being an earth pony. Losing hands and fingers is pretty serious without something to compensate for it.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 02:40:33 pm
i searched MLP dragons and that was number one....
Nope, still doesn't relate to Twilight at all.
Anyway, Dsarker, I found this posted by you in the old thread:
It was posted completely without context and I haven't seen any reference to it in the subsequent posts in the thread, so did you write that little story? And did you draw that picture?Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: Of course, the time in the quote title is completely wrong, but I have no idea how the "date" thing works on this forum and I can't use the "Quote" button in locked threads.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 02:43:06 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 02:44:09 pm
that thing about fluttershy and that person, what is it?is it a story i wil lread it!(http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/thumb/7/73/JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg/618px-JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg)
The context is right there if you just click the quote title. I said it was just a short story. This is all there is.
Edit: Well, to be quite exact, I don't know if that's all there is. If I google any part of that story, I just find that same thread. So, it stands to reason that that's all there is and that Dsarker wrote it. But, again, we can't be sure.
Post by: Zangi on November 17, 2011, 03:01:31 pm
Would you be able to communicate 'back home'? Go back? I'd think not...
You would have to adjust to the new culture, you'd have to go without much of the old sorts of entertainment you used to have. You'd have no internet, no trolls or assholery that you are used to. You'd mostly meet ponies, who would accept you, but not know what you are on about when you try to make in-jokes or refer to things in your old life. On average, simple and friendly folk. Most of them would just be that, friendly ponies, who probably could never understand you.
Another thing, will you end up being that asshole pony in the end? When you compare yourself to ponykind...
Physically, you'd have to adjust to that too. Walking on all 4s for stability at first. Doing without fingers and thumbs. Getting over the fact that you use your mouth to handle most things.
If you are a Unicorn, you'd basically be a filly/colt when it comes to using that horn magic.
As a Pegasus, are your wings going to be treated as if its never been used, being new? You'd probably have to start at filly/colt level, unable to fully fly until you train its strength... then learn to not be Rainbow Crash...
As a new pony, will you come into this world as a blank flank? Or will you come in, your fate/talent already decided for you?
Will you come into this world
Can you adjust to this new world? Is it truly what you want? Surrounded by 'friends' but... will it stave off the feeling that you don't truly belong? That nopony can understand you?
Post by: Armok on November 17, 2011, 03:11:31 pm
I'm assuming that the races are actually balanced - so what are the advantages of earth ponies? Well, applejack has superhuman contentiousness and downright supernatural skill at a wide veriity of physical tasks. Pinkie can break the fourth wall, and have shown crazy engineering skill. Most of the nobles shown at the gala wee earth ponies.
Seems to me that whatever earth ponies have, it's mental. That is WAY more usefull than any physical trick like flight or telekinessis. But it also means that advantage might not actually be given to someone who transforms into one rather than being born like that.
Meanwhile, the unicorn magic we've seen so far... Well, there are lots of powerful and useful things, but they wouldn't be usefull for any of the things I do seriusly. On the other hand, they are said to adapt to the special talents... And things relating to things I'd conider special tallents of mine would be incredibly usefll, in my hooves even more so precisely because I'm tallented at them. What magic spells would a cognitive science cuti mark, or an artificial intelligence cutie mark, or a decition theory cutie mark, or even a web surfing cutie mark, give? Presumably ones that let you manipulate brains, program and/or train artificial intelligences, help you make better decitions, or download information rapidly into your brain. ANY of those and I'd eventually take over the world.
So; do I get superhuman mental attributes from choosing earth pony? Do I get spells related to MY special talent(s) if I chose unicorn? My answer depends a lot on both of those.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 03:19:12 pm
I wouldn't mind being the mysterious stranger. I'm already like that in most of my dealings with humanity. I'd just be friendly, work odd jobs for ponies, and be happy with the handful of genuine smiles I get. Maybe after a while I might try to become close with a few ponies I connected to, but otherwise I'd just live my life from one day to the next.
If I were a blank flank, I wouldn't care that much. If I had a cutie mark, I'd probably test its limits. If I were an older blank flank, I'd just mess with the little kids telling them they might end up like me. If I were young again, I'd enjoy my return to youth with reckless abandon. Everything would work out no matter what, lest I somehow met an early demise.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 03:29:57 pm
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 17, 2011, 03:35:12 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 03:35:25 pm
That still wouldn't save me when I accidentally insulted Princess Celestia in front of a room of her various supporters, however. I'm sure, though, that I'd have the sense to keep my mouth firmly shut until spoken to, and to take my time to make sure I said nothing wrong.
Then, once there was nobody but me and the princess, then I could ask her if I could get a... private audience.
Post by: Zangi on November 17, 2011, 03:41:22 pm
What I wan't to be depends stongly on how the conversion process works. Specificaly, how literally the mind is translated and how cutie marks/special talents transfers. *snip*
So; do I get superhuman mental attributes from choosing earth pony? Do I get spells related to MY special talent(s) if I chose unicorn? My answer depends a lot on both of those.
The way cutie mark and unicorn magic works... I believe every spell is learn-able... but... it is much much harder to learn things that don't relate to the special talent. Probably limited in skill/power the further away it relates to that spell too... Its like in a skill based RPG...
But, I guess there are sub-talents that don't have to relate to the cutie mark... but more to the personality of the pony.
Pony: Rarity
Cutie Mark: Gems
Sub-Talent: Multi-Tasking and Fashion Sense
Likes:
Spell: Finding Gems (Super Proficient)
Spells relating to Fashionable Stuff (Super Proficient)
Spells on Sciency Stuff (Terribad Proficiency in both learning and using, since she is not interested)
Yea, my
As for Earth Pony super mental attributes... its... unlikely... you are who you are. Confidence, mannerisms, self-consciousness and whatever else... I can't really make up an answer for that... Its just... will you be mentally and emotionally empowered by all this change...?
For simplicity... its like morale...
high morale = higher mental stats/willpower
low morale = lower mental stats/willpower
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 03:42:49 pm
snipped by Celestia
Then, once there was nobody but me and the princess, then I could ask her if I could get a... private audience.
private audience...it allready is isnt it..but nvm.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 03:46:00 pm
I do have the feeling that I'd probably manage to piss off a couple people before I got my feet straight, but I'm certain that I'd be able to make it up with them. Sometimes, coming from a family of liars and manipulators is actually quite useful.
That still wouldn't save me when I accidentally insulted Princess Celestia in front of a room of her various supporters, however. I'm sure, though, that I'd have the sense to keep my mouth firmly shut until spoken to, and to take my time to make sure I said nothing wrong.
Then, once there was nobody but me and the princess, then I could ask her if I could get a... private audience.
I sincerely hope I never find out what you mean by that.
Spoiler: Yay Faustian backstory (click to show/hide)
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 03:50:07 pm
fixedsnip snip blah blah
Then, once there was nobody but me and the princess, then I could ask her if I could get a... private audience.
I sincerely hope I find out what you mean by that right now!Spoiler: Yay Faustian backstory (click to show/hide)
and whats your 3 fav ponies in order?
Rainbow Dash, Celestia, Luna
Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 03:53:08 pm
i searched MLP dragons and that was number one....
Nope, still doesn't relate to Twilight at all.
Anyway, Dsarker, I found this posted by you in the old thread:It was posted completely without context and I haven't seen any reference to it in the subsequent posts in the thread, so did you write that little story? And did you draw that picture?Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: Of course, the time in the quote title is completely wrong, but I have no idea how the "date" thing works on this forum and I can't use the "Quote" button in locked threads.
Goodness, no. I stole it from one of the Fluttershy facebook pages
Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 03:54:25 pm
She paused as though she expected Twilight to speak. Twilight had tried to shrink back into the surface of the bed again. She could not say anything. Her heart seemed to be frozen. Rarity went on:
"And remember that it is for ever. The face will always be there to be stamped upon. The heretic, the enemy of society, will always be there, so that she can be defeated and humiliated over again. Everything that you have undergone since you have been in our hooves–all that will continue, and worse. The espionage, the betrayals, the arrests, the tortures, the executions, the disappearances will never cease."
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 03:56:13 pm
fixedsnip snip blah blah
Then, once there was nobody but me and the princess, then I could ask her if I could get a... private audience.
I sincerely hope I find out what you mean by that right now!Spoiler: Yay Faustian backstory (click to show/hide)
and whats your 3 fav ponies in order?
Rainbow Dash, Celestia, Luna
You obviously don't know TBP well enough. I don't think any of us want to know what he would do to Celestia if he could be alone with her.
On another note, best ponies are RD, Octavia, and Twilight.
Post by: Zangi on November 17, 2011, 03:57:11 pm
Considering royalty, they can be surrounded by their personal retinue/servants, guards and whatever people they allow near when not giving audience.snipped by Celestia
Then, once there was nobody but me and the princess, then I could ask her if I could get a... private audience.
private audience...it allready is isnt it..but nvm.
A private audience would mean there are no guards/servants near enough to ease-drop, if willing behind closed doors. Its also opening up said royalty to easy assassination if they have no fighting inclination and/or do not expect such an attempt...
As for the reason behind a private audience, it is best left as is.
@Dsarker
for ever = forever
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 03:58:24 pm
quick! contact a bunch of coders! <<ignor my randomeness<<
<(o_o<() <(o_o)> ()>o_o)>
3 fav ponies!
how many episodes is there?
Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 03:58:51 pm
It's a pony conversion of the original text. Which is for ever.
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 04:02:01 pm
Anyway. Me and The Bronze Pickle were actually talking about what would happen if the ponies contacted the world of 1984, specifically Oceania. I was adamant in that it could only end badly.
Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 04:04:21 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 04:04:59 pm
... private audience.
ponies contacting here would be awesome, a polymorphing bolt would make me happy and i would be a pegasus or a unicorn! maybe O_o an Alicorn!
Post by: Jay on November 17, 2011, 04:06:10 pm
Unicorn with a flying cutie mark.
Problem, pegasi?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 04:07:53 pm
Heh, a unicron with a talent in flying. I don't suppose it means much if it just means you can fly better than other unicorns. :P
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 04:09:46 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 04:12:35 pm
For Drago.
In 1984, there are three super countries. Oceania, which comprises Britain, America, and Oceania. Eurasia, which comprises the rest of Europe and parts of Asia, and then Eastasia, which takes the rest of Asia and bits of Africa.
They're all at war, over India and what are known as the "neutral regions", which is mostly Africa. They fight, capture, build more bombs, fight some more. The entire aim of the war is to waste material so that the lower class don't improve their lot.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 04:18:01 pm
Post by: drilltooth on November 17, 2011, 04:21:27 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 04:23:54 pm
Spoiler: me when im angry (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 04:24:43 pm
I would interpret that as a unicorn whose special talent lies in magical alteration of inertia. So they could "fly" by changing their velocity relative to the planet.Speaking of odd talents, what would happen to an earth pony or pegasus with a talent in Magic, such as Twilight's? Assuming it was physically possible, of course.
Also, I believe said hypothetical flying unicorn wouldn't live very long. It doesn't take much to vector yourself into the ground at five times the speed of sound with that ability...
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 04:26:19 pm
Not to mention that unless they were members of the Outer Party, they wouldn't care. Inner Party don't get spied on (they are the people doing the spying), and they merely have to keep up with the power struggles. They'd use the ponies and then forget about them.As far as I remember, that's not quite true. Inner Party gets spied on all the time, too. Children get trained to spy on absolutely everyone, especially their relatives. Not all spies are from the Inner Party and basically everyone spies on basically everyone else.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 04:28:25 pm
Rainbow Dash has gone the speed of sound?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 04:29:25 pm
Also, I believe said hypothetical flying unicorn wouldn't live very long. It doesn't take much to vector yourself into the ground at five times the speed of sound with that ability...Oh great. I started rhyming.
If you fly into the ground / At five times the speed of sound, / A pink mist will spread around, / And your body won't be found.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 04:35:03 pm
hows that for rhyming what you said?
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 04:36:56 pm
At a speed so fast your as fast as sound, your bound to smash your face in the ground.The rhyming is acceptable.
hows that for rhyming what you said?
The spelling, however, is not.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 04:38:37 pm
As for the private audience thing, well, I am a mild furry. I'd probably say it more as a joke than anything, though, just to gauge how much of a sense of humor Celestia has so that I'd know how obscene I could be without pissing her off.
That and doing the most outrageous thing I could to start off with would make me quite a bit more comfortable with talking to her. I had already done nearly the worst I could do, so if she's cool with it I'm probably not going to be able to do much to piss her off.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 04:39:06 pm
Double self-quote pyramid go!Also, I believe said hypothetical flying unicorn wouldn't live very long. It doesn't take much to vector yourself into the ground at five times the speed of sound with that ability...Oh great. I started rhyming.
If you fly into the ground / At five times the speed of sound, / A pink mist will spread around, / And your body won't be found.
This has just reminded me of a very, very heartwrenching (I'd imagine) image I've considered doing... but I wouldn't be able to do it justice, I think, not with my current skills. If you're wondering, it has to do with S01E16.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 04:39:40 pm
I could imagine that a unicorn skilled enough in telekinesis would be able to make the air in a certain area solid enough to stand on. It wouldn't be flying, per se, but it would certainly beat being stuck to the ground.My reaction. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc)
As for the private audience thing, well, I am a mild furry. I'd probably say it more as a joke than anything, though, just to gauge how much of a sense of humor Celestia has so that I'd know how obscene I could be without pissing her off.
That and doing the most outrageous thing I could to start off with would make me quite a bit more comfortable with talking to her. I had already done nearly the worst I could do, so if she's cool with it I'm probably not going to be able to do much to piss her off.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 04:44:43 pm
But, yeah, I'm a bit of a nut. I think Celestia would understand, though. She'd probably only beat me half to death.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 04:46:19 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 04:47:05 pm
snips
As for the private audience thing, well, I am a mild furry. I'd probably say it more as a joke than anything, though, just to gauge how much of a sense of humor Celestia has so that I'd know how obscene I could be without pissing her off.
twilights anger
oh...my mind feels better and so does im glad that little ...image... in the back of my mind behind a wall of flame and Celestias army is gone :)
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 04:47:43 pm
Dash episode is almost here, and it damn well better revolve around Scoots wanting to be her pet. Judging from the screenshot posted on EqD, the other, lesser candidates are all birds, which makes it fit even better. Scoots has never been a chicken; chickens are capable of limited flight. Obviously she is either an ostrich, an emu, or a penguin.
Well, on the other hand, you could suddenly awaken her... other side. Maybe then you'd wish she'd beat you half to death. Then again, maybe not. ;D
I think everyone would enjoy being penetrated by the horn that pierced the heavens, regardless of normal preferences.
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 04:48:16 pm
Yeah. Though, the good news is that I'm a friendly enough guy that maybe my incredible nervousness won't shine through.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 04:52:46 pm
Princess Celestia kicks Fniff in the head with her Front Left Hoof, shattering the skull, piercing the brain with the skull and tearing the brain
Fniff has been struck down
Celestia: i win haha
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 04:55:47 pm
The wonderful thing about my family is that we've got a lot of charisma. It's really useful for getting on people's good side, because we usually have to actively try before we can piss people off.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 04:56:27 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 04:58:16 pm
Celestia:you have insulted me TheBronzePickle
TheBronzePickle has been struck down.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 04:59:07 pm
It must be harsh when your best friends leave you in the blink of an eye.
Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 05:00:08 pm
sounds stupid, greedy...
Well, of course. Think of the Inner Party as the ultimate 1%.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 05:04:11 pm
She's always been a benevolent leader in my book. The one thing I've noticed is that she acts a bit shallow around most of her citizens. She's not comfortable forming close bonds with others, likely because she's learned not to from having to watch most of her friends die.
It must be harsh when your best friends leave you in the blink of an eye.
That's the thing about immortality: Everyone you know will die in, relatively, a blink of your eye. Except for other immortals. Though to be fair a lot of her subjects (or at least the ones she is in contact with on a regular basis) are probably rather shallow themselves, or at least not the most interesting of individuals to be around, given that most of them are either sworn to protect and serve her or are nobility. Note how she acted toward the rest of the Mane 6 after the Gala: She hardly knew who they were, had only met them a handful of times for short durations, and yet spoke frankly and happily to them. Admittedly, part of this is because they are Twi's friends, but from the looks of things she has no trouble interacting on a personal basis. Remember also that she is a reining (I did it for the pun of it) monarch, and as such has to present an impartial face to the public, which can come off as shallow to those who don't know her personally.
Post by: Dsarker on November 17, 2011, 05:08:07 pm
Not to mention that unless they were members of the Outer Party, they wouldn't care. Inner Party don't get spied on (they are the people doing the spying), and they merely have to keep up with the power struggles. They'd use the ponies and then forget about them.As far as I remember, that's not quite true. Inner Party gets spied on all the time, too. Children get trained to spy on absolutely everyone, especially their relatives. Not all spies are from the Inner Party and basically everyone spies on basically everyone else.
Inner Party get the option of turning off the camera.
Post by: Bohandas on November 17, 2011, 05:09:04 pm
As I recall the accepted earth pony magic is essentially that they have much greater endurance and physical strength. They also appear to be much more active in terms of expansionism, if Appleloosa is any indicator.
Also, at least one of them can predict the future.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 05:12:14 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 05:13:16 pm
Oh yeah, I remember. But of course the camera in ones own house isn't the only way to spy on someone. And while the Inner Party has the option to turn off the camera, doing so repeatedly or for long periods of time would still be rather suspicious.Not to mention that unless they were members of the Outer Party, they wouldn't care. Inner Party don't get spied on (they are the people doing the spying), and they merely have to keep up with the power struggles. They'd use the ponies and then forget about them.As far as I remember, that's not quite true. Inner Party gets spied on all the time, too. Children get trained to spy on absolutely everyone, especially their relatives. Not all spies are from the Inner Party and basically everyone spies on basically everyone else.
Inner Party get the option of turning off the camera.
Post by: Jay on November 17, 2011, 05:15:26 pm
Also included would be Levitation, Slow Fall, Fortify Acrobatics, that sort of thing.
They could also be the one creating Pinkie Pie's various ridiculous flying contraptions.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 05:16:55 pm
Re: flight unicorn -- I was thinking more along the lines of the two spells Twilight used in the Sonic Rainboom episode (Cloudwalk and Bound Wings, I guess).Been playing Skyrim or Morrowind recently? ;)
Also included would be Levitation, Slow Fall, Fortify Acrobatics, that sort of thing.
They could also be the one creating Pinkie Pie's various ridiculous flying contraptions.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 05:18:11 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 05:21:21 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 05:22:21 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 05:24:52 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 05:26:03 pm
Post by: Zaerosz on November 17, 2011, 05:26:26 pm
Post by: Talvieno on November 17, 2011, 05:28:11 pm
All right, now that that's established, please allow me to begin.
I've seen the My Little Pony stuff around, and frankly, I've been a bit too... well, repelled by it, you might say, to look it up or watch anything to actually find out what it was... (perhaps a bit silly, I'll admit, though I hate using that word) But, it's all over the place on the forums, so I figure "why not?" I'm now giving it a chance. Partly out of curiosity, partly because I realize it's kind of dumb to not give something a chance in the first place.
Is there any one episode/clip that you guys think would get me hooked if I watched it?
Post by: Zaerosz on November 17, 2011, 05:30:36 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 05:31:06 pm
This post is random.I'd say probably the first two ones. Other than that... Dragonshy! Definitely Dragonshy! But I still recommend seeing the first two episodes first.
All right, now that that's established, please allow me to begin.
I've seen the My Little Pony stuff around, and frankly, I've been a bit too... well, repelled by it, you might say, to look it up or watch anything to actually find out what it was... (perhaps a bit silly, I'll admit, though I hate using that word) But, it's all over the place on the forums, so I figure "why not?" I'm now giving it a chance. Partly out of curiosity, partly because I realize it's kind of dumb to not give something a chance in the first place.
Is there any one episode/clip that you guys think would get me hooked if I watched it?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 05:31:58 pm
Post by: Zangi on November 17, 2011, 05:32:22 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on November 17, 2011, 05:32:27 pm
People generally recoment party of One (S1E25).
Or you could watch Lesson Zero (S2E3) to have some insanity spilling out of your monitor.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 17, 2011, 05:33:52 pm
I think he means the one from Dragon Ball. Maybe.Ah, now I think I remember. The one I was thinking of was different, but would probably be neat to actually "build" out of clouds:
(http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/uploads/gallery/1176105842/gallery_49744_19391_1883117201461d2acc73ffa.jpg)
And yeah, I'd recommend S01E07 and S01E16. But in all honesty, I think you should start in sequence. The pilot episodes are good enough to get a feel of the show. If you like them, you'll like the rest of it, even though most episodes don't have the same kind of overarching plot and are more slice-of-life.
Post by: Zaerosz on November 17, 2011, 05:36:06 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 05:40:52 pm
Yeah, basically the only one I'd actively avoid watching as a first episode is S2E3, Lesson Zero. It's... not exactly the best first impression one can get.Definitely agree. In fact, the entire second season so far isn't good to start with. The corrupted main cast is interesting only if you've gotten to know them in their non-corrupted state which the episode doesn't really provide. Lesson Zero has OOC Twilight and Rarity. Luna Eclipsed and Sisterhooves Special both lack some of the main six and The Cutie Pox doesn't make much sense if you don't know what cutie marks and the CMC are all about.
Post by: Talvieno on November 17, 2011, 05:45:54 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 05:47:42 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 05:52:08 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 17, 2011, 05:54:35 pm
Little does he know how right he is.
Also I got the requirement for my art final today. I've two weeks to do it. Can't decide between a Luna/Nightmare Moon piece in my head, or something to do with Applejack.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 05:56:19 pm
whats a bronie?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 05:56:49 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 17, 2011, 05:58:33 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 05:59:38 pm
Post by: kaijyuu on November 17, 2011, 06:02:07 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 06:03:35 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 06:04:41 pm
And the singular is brony.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 17, 2011, 06:05:34 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 17, 2011, 06:05:54 pm
whats a bronie?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brony
Post by: Telgin on November 17, 2011, 06:05:55 pm
Parents should accept the fact you happen to like a show based around ponies. Other people can go shove it.
My mom gave me the expected :o expression when I mentioned it, but hasn't really said much about it. I'm not sure my dad knows, but I doubt he'd care that much. Unfortunately, they don't get The Hub, so I can't demonstrate how awesome the cartoon is. Not that they'd really care though.
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Also I got the requirement for my art final today. I've two weeks to do it. Can't decide between a Luna/Nightmare Moon piece in my head, or something to do with Applejack.
I'd go with Luna, but Applejack doesn't really get enough love I suppose, especially compared to Luna. One bonus to Luna is that you could possibly make the image a bit more surreal and make it not so obvious it's a My Little Pony image. Applejack would be a bit harder to dress up that way.
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 17, 2011, 06:06:23 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Bah, ninja. Supposed to be a 'bony.'
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 06:10:18 pm
It would be easy enough to do something cool. Perhaps show her carting a few carts of apples while looking out over an untouched orchard as the sun sets in the background.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 06:10:59 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 06:16:46 pm
This, however, is probably one of the best I've found. It's a pretty huge picture, but not very long.
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Post by: kaijyuu on November 17, 2011, 06:19:05 pm
The Luna idea was having one half of the picture be serene and calm (normal, small luna), and the other half being violent and scary (nightmare moon). A "two sides of the same coin" thing. Don't think I'll include her new, halfway-between-the-two design if I do that.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 06:22:53 pm
Or just normal revolvers since it's a drawing and you don't owe anyone anything.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 17, 2011, 06:23:54 pm
If I wanted projectiles it'd be pies, heh.
Post by: Telgin on November 17, 2011, 06:27:10 pm
Why couldn't you stylize Applejack? She's probably one of the more realistically colored ponies on the show.
Not going to argue with her being the most normal looking. I guess it just depends on exactly what sort of effect you're going for. When I read Luna, I immediately pictured something dark and surreal, which most people would just picture as a strange black pegasus thing and not really My Little Pony related. That's more difficult to do with Applejack, at least from my perspective.
That's of course assuming that you wanted to make it non obvious that it's My Little Pony. If it that's not the goal, then it's a pretty moot point. Reading kaijyuu's post, I'm going to assume that it wasn't the goal, so you can safely disregard my rambling up to this point. :)
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My current Applejack idea is her having a high noon showdown in Apploosa with some bandits. A tumbleweed will, of course, be blowing across the center of the picture.
The Luna idea was having one half of the picture be serene and calm (normal, small luna), and the other half being violent and scary (nightmare moon). A "two sides of the same coin" thing. Don't think I'll include her new, halfway-between-the-two design if I do that.
I quite like how the Luna scene sounds, but I've always been a softy for the sorts of messages that carries. The Applejack idea doesn't sound bad either, but how does a high noon showdown work without a revolver by your side? :)
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 06:29:00 pm
Anyway, Telgin's right. It's just not a high-noon showdown without some kind of weapon to draw.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 06:32:15 pm
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Post by: Talvieno on November 17, 2011, 06:51:09 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 07:01:00 pm
I swear, I'm crying like a little baby over here. :'(
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 07:03:30 pm
I think he means the one from Dragon Ball. Maybe.
Yes.
Parents should accept the fact you happen to like a show based around ponies. Other people can go shove it.
My mom gave me the expected :o expression when I mentioned it, but hasn't really said much about it. I'm not sure my dad knows, but I doubt he'd care that much. Unfortunately, they don't get The Hub, so I can't demonstrate how awesome the cartoon is. Not that they'd really care though.
I mentioned it to mine in passing, and actually got my mother hooked on it. For the record, I also got my painter/guitarist father hooked on xkcd, so it is probably more them being very openminded progressives with parents and grandparents who were neck deep in the civil rights movement, union organizing, and the art worlds respectively rather than me being a profound master of debate.
In other words, I lucked out in character creation and got parents who only took flaws in Employment: City Government and Addiction: Tobacco respectively, rather than Emotional Outbursts: Child Beating or Addiction: Crystal Meth. :P
All right, I gave it a shot and watched it. Sorry guys - it was nice, certainly not as bad as I'd originally thought it would be, but still not exactly my thing. Much thanks anyway, though. :) Now at least I won't look like quite so much of an idiot the next time somebody starts talking about it.
Thanks for having the courage to try! :)
I've just read My Little Dashie (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NwdIJMALxxi6egHz832IuNIHy1J7JAqulJFoGeLM5tY/edit?hl=en_US).
I swear, I'm crying like a little baby over here. :'(
Agreed, it was the first thing in a while that made my cry.
Cue Dsarker(IIRC) coming in here and stomping all over your emotions because he didn't think it was sad. :P
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 07:03:45 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 07:13:11 pm
So I thought up a fanfic for it.
Spoiler: Don't worry, it's not grimdark (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 07:19:20 pm
I thought it was sad enough.
So I thought up a fanfic for it.Spoiler: Don't worry, it's not grimdark (click to show/hide)
That sounds amazing. Perfect way to continue into an all-out downward spiral, and it is all Celestia's fault.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 07:20:49 pm
Nope, that's TBP, if I recall correctly.I've just read My Little Dashie (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NwdIJMALxxi6egHz832IuNIHy1J7JAqulJFoGeLM5tY/edit?hl=en_US).
I swear, I'm crying like a little baby over here. :'(
Agreed, it was the first thing in a while that made my cry.
Cue Dsarker(IIRC) coming in here and stomping all over your emotions because he didn't think it was sad. :P
Also, Fniff, that's... that's quite something! Is it supposed to be a sort-of sequel to My Little Dashie? So, in your story, she does remember her dad? That could be... complicated. But also really awesome if done well!
Though I don't really like any of the main cast getting killed. I'd probably read it nonetheless.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 07:24:34 pm
Nope, that's TBP, if I recall correctly.I've just read My Little Dashie (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NwdIJMALxxi6egHz832IuNIHy1J7JAqulJFoGeLM5tY/edit?hl=en_US).
I swear, I'm crying like a little baby over here. :'(
Agreed, it was the first thing in a while that made my cry.
Cue Dsarker(IIRC) coming in here and stomping all over your emotions because he didn't think it was sad. :P
Also, Fniff, that's... that's quite something! Is it supposed to be a sort-of sequel to My Little Dashie? So, in your story, she does remember her dad? That could be... complicated. But also really awesome if done well!
Though I don't really like any of the main cast getting killed. I'd probably read it nonetheless.
I was wondering about that. Seems to fit much better.
10 bits says it is Twilight that gets offed.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 07:26:13 pm
Of course, brutally murdering some of the side characters would probably piss off even more people than the main 6.
...hmm.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 07:39:14 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 07:41:51 pm
Well, people who aren't me.
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 07:42:46 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 07:59:41 pm
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Nooooo don't eat Fluttershy!So, yeah...
Post by: Telgin on November 17, 2011, 08:04:29 pm
All right, I gave it a shot and watched it. Sorry guys - it was nice, certainly not as bad as I'd originally thought it would be, but still not exactly my thing. Much thanks anyway, though. :) Now at least I won't look like quite so much of an idiot the next time somebody starts talking about it.
Which episode(s) did you watch? I didn't really get into it in the two Nightmare Moon episodes honestly. It took some time exploring the fandom in other ways (fanart and comics mostly) before I really began to appreciate the whole thing.
Of course, it's to be expected that not everyone will like it. At least you can say you watched it and have some room to discuss it if someone pesters you about not loving it.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 08:29:19 pm
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Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 08:33:42 pm
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 08:34:37 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 08:36:51 pm
I've started on my Derpy gorefic. It hasn't gotten to the good part yet, though, so don't worry about having a weak stomach. Feel free to comment here or on the document's comments.Nope, I'm most definitely not gonna read it. Worst thing that could happen would be me actually liking the story so far and wanting to continue reading it. I don't wanna risk that.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit
But definitely keep us updated on any progress, the Bay12 Anthology Of Pony is growing steadily.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 08:38:20 pm
So, what do you guys think of the draft of the fanfic? What should I improve and such? I just sort of wrote it up on the spur of the moment.
Only fair to comment. I see nothing wrong with it. Not something that particularly draws me in, honestly, but that's my fault, not yours.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 08:39:59 pm
(http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/300W/i/2011/269/c/0/my_little_dashie_by_robcakeran53-d4b27q4.png)
It was just so sad!
:'(
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 08:52:50 pm
I've started on my Derpy gorefic. It hasn't gotten to the good part yet, though, so don't worry about having a weak stomach. Feel free to comment here or on the document's comments.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit
I have only one thing to say to you: STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM OCTAVIA. If there is one character I don't want ruined, it is her.
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 08:54:37 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 08:55:38 pm
You'd best hope I don't change my mind.
Post by: Fniff on November 17, 2011, 08:59:05 pm
And now you will read ALL of his posts in Justine's voice.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 09:02:42 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 09:04:42 pm
Anyway, there are a few things I wanted to clear up, but first and foremost:
There have been some prototype parts of "Friends In Need", starting here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=74664.msg2694929#msg2694929) and I'm wondering if I should add these to the pile. I'm most definitely going to add Friends In Need once the whole thing actually gets posted (Chapter 1 is at least on Fimfiction), but maybe there's some ideas in the original thread that haven't been added to the story itself?
I dunno, I'm not gonna read it. But I'm sure as hell gonna copy-paste it!
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 09:16:50 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 17, 2011, 09:20:44 pm
and wheres a link to these new fanfics? O_o
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 17, 2011, 09:28:51 pm
Anyway, I've started the actual torture part of my gorefic. It's only the first step for now.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit
Post by: MC Dirty on November 17, 2011, 09:32:48 pm
am i being ignored?I.1. No, you're not being ignored. You just repeat what plenty of people have already posted, thus offering little possibility or reason to respond to you. Hell, not only do you repeat what other people wrote, you even repeat yourself! On the same page, no less!
and wheres a link to these new fanfics? O_o
I.2. You tend to ignore other people's posts. I post a link (even underline it) and you respond with "Where's the link?" Trying to enter any meaningful (or hell, even/especially not meaningful) discussion with someone who doesn't pay any attention is quite difficult.
I.3. Even when you post something, let's say, "original" it's mostly things that people generally don't like to respond to (like art requests) or posts where all one can answer basically boils down to "Okay."
II. I've posted the link to my collection of fanfics by Bay12 forumites (http://db.tt/2n5o9Oq4) repeatedly! The story we've been talking about (Friends In Need (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/2133/Friends-In-Need)) isn't in there yet because I wanna wait for it to get finished.
Sorry if I sound like a dick, but I've gone through the last 1000 or so posts in the second pony thread in record time and really need to get some sleep...
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 17, 2011, 10:54:38 pm
Everyone has a favorite pony. Clearly the only way to horrify everyone is to kill every pony that has a name.
Now, how to do this? It has to be on a personal level, and nopony can be capable of fleeing Ponyville once the metaphorical horseapples hit the fan, otherwise somepony important might escape.
Spoiler: Rant (click to show/hide)
There's also something stuck under my comma key D:
There we go, crushed whatever it was.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 17, 2011, 11:35:16 pm
*cracks knuckles*
Everyone has a favorite pony. Clearly the only way to horrify everyone is to kill every pony that has a name.
Now, how to do this? It has to be on a personal level, and nopony can be capable of fleeing Ponyville once the metaphorical horseapples hit the fan, otherwise somepony important might escape.Spoiler: Rant (click to show/hide)
There's also something stuck under my comma key D:
There we go, crushed whatever it was.
I hate to sound like a jerk (Not really), but I agree with CC on this.
Unrelated: It was probably a crumb, which will combine with all the other keyboard crud to make an odious sludge.
And TBP: DO NOT WANT. The fuck!?! That was even worse than your contributions to FiN! I could barely get past the first bit with the spoon and the eye before I started gagging! I'm going to force myself to read it, if only to be able to detail exactly how horrifying it is so other people will
Post by: Zangi on November 17, 2011, 11:47:32 pm
*cracks knuckles*Lure all named ponies to Ponyville, since many of them do not live in Ponyville.
Everyone has a favorite pony. Clearly the only way to horrify everyone is to kill every pony that has a name.
Now, how to do this? It has to be on a personal level, and nopony can be capable of fleeing Ponyville once the metaphorical horseapples hit the fan, otherwise somepony important might escape.Spoiler: Rant (click to show/hide)
There's also something stuck under my comma key D:
There we go, crushed whatever it was.
Perhaps a back to back DJ-Pon3 and Octavia concert... add in some party for a significant multi-racial holiday where none of the ponies gotta work. And then, throw in some royal business... with the buffaloes... Sure, you'll grab a ton of unnamed ponies... but, you'll more then likely grab everyone else...
Trixie though might be the least likely pony to show... but, I figure offering her a center stage show with so many ponies to show off to would make her temporarily forget her shame...
Gilda might be another problem, but, yea, if its a multi-racial event held in Ponyville... she might show up. Signed fake letter of reconciliation will do...
I'd mention Pinky Pie's family... do they have names? I don't remember... Might be hard to convince em to leave the rock farm wholly unattended? Gotta watch out for em rock rustlers.... ok... seriously, probably not a problem.
The island of no grammar is a glaring eyesore in a sea of grammar.
II. I've posted the link to my collection of fanfics by Bay12 forumites (http://db.tt/2n5o9Oq4) repeatedly! The story we've been talking aboutWhat the hay... Alicorn - Return of Nightmare? I don't even remember that... until I looked over my saved notes on it.
Post by: Jay on November 17, 2011, 11:47:45 pm
Unrelated: It was probably a crumb, which will combine with all the other keyboard crud to make an odious sludge.Unrelated: That'd be why I have a keyboard on which I can remove the entire set of physical keys from the buttons, for cleaning. So easy~
In response to that dark fiction there, some warmth.
Literally-- Octavia Firebrand (http://rautakoura.deviantart.com/art/Octavia-s-Fiery-Concerto-269492452)
Post by: Bdthemag on November 17, 2011, 11:55:15 pm
am i being ignored?To state what has already been said, yes. Yes you are.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 12:19:34 am
Also, have a well done Code Geass/Pony opening theme. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WjDVScUMqI&feature=player_embedded) :D
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 18, 2011, 12:25:46 am
I'm thinking that an elitist group of unicorns dedicated to furthering the 'master race' decide to use Ponyville as a testing ground for their city raid tactics on the same night. Any other ideas for villains?
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 12:29:13 am
Post by: Crazy Cow on November 18, 2011, 12:35:03 am
Post by: Jay on November 18, 2011, 12:56:00 am
Spoiler: Derpy Spotting? (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pnx on November 18, 2011, 01:03:21 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zangi on November 18, 2011, 01:04:32 am
Diamond Dogs
Zebras
Griffins
Everfree Forest Creatures (Manticores / Hydras / Ursa Majors)
Dragons
All the factions could kill each other too...
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 01:05:54 am
Don't know if this has been shared, but a while back cracked.com did a contest on "what if cartoons were more like real life", there's a MLP one.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I should have figured that out earlier. No wonder they have very specific tramp stamps.
Post by: Impending Doom on November 18, 2011, 01:06:27 am
Do it as half gorefic, half slapstick comedy, with a dozen different factions all attacking the party for different reasons, and pretty much everypony getting caught in the crossfire.
My Little Postal?
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 01:15:30 am
I just realized, this scene from Cutie PoxSpoiler: Derpy Spotting? (click to show/hide)
We explained this a while back. She became the Doctor's companion as a filly, and has travelled a lot with him before the two settled down in Ponyville.
Do it as half gorefic, half slapstick comedy, with a dozen different factions all attacking the party for different reasons, and pretty much everypony getting caught in the crossfire.
My Little Postal?
Pretty much. @CC: By 'slapstick', I meant that the entire scene should be complete chaos, ponies being killed left and right, arrows and lightning bolts flying all over the place, explosives, bits of the building and props killing ponies in funny ways, etc.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 01:18:54 am
Do it as half gorefic, half slapstick comedy, with a dozen different factions all attacking the party for different reasons, and pretty much everypony getting caught in the crossfire.
My Little Postal?
Pretty much. @CC: By 'slapstick', I meant that the entire scene should be complete chaos, ponies being killed left and right, arrows and lightning bolts flying all over the place, explosives, bits of the building and props killing ponies in funny ways, etc.
Wow, that's a pretty brutal definition of slapstick.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 01:27:52 am
I've started on my Derpy gorefic. It hasn't gotten to the good part yet, though, so don't worry about having a weak stomach. Feel free to comment here or on the document's comments.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit
NO, TBP! NOT THE
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Great, all that horror, and now you've made me feel nauseous.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 01:36:02 am
That's just a very violent version of slapstick - or more realistic. Slapstick, by definition, is a humorously exaggerated application of violence, with no serious consequences. So here it's black comedy (or dead baby comedy, considering the material) meets slapstick. Snuffstick, so to speak.Do it as half gorefic, half slapstick comedy, with a dozen different factions all attacking the party for different reasons, and pretty much everypony getting caught in the crossfire.
My Little Postal?
Pretty much. @CC: By 'slapstick', I meant that the entire scene should be complete chaos, ponies being killed left and right, arrows and lightning bolts flying all over the place, explosives, bits of the building and props killing ponies in funny ways, etc.
Wow, that's a pretty brutal definition of slapstick.
Post by: lyn on November 18, 2011, 01:42:32 am
Post by: i2amroy on November 18, 2011, 01:46:06 am
P.S. Some of the music/remixes based off the show out there are awesome! I especially liked Super Ponybeat, some of the best songs I've heard in a while.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 01:52:11 am
Nauseous? Many people regard these things a delicacy. I am sure you could sell them on ebay for a good margin.Sell what? Pony eyes?
I'll just quote myself, if you don't mind.
Leave it to the Bay12 forumgoers to turn cute magical ponies into a renewable source for a profitable second-hand organ trading business.
/me shakes his head in a sad reverie.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 18, 2011, 02:16:14 am
Ok I admit it. About a week ago I finally got up the nerve to type what I then thought would be a girly show into the search bar and see what all the hype was about. I was wrong. This is an epic show an I am now eagerly awaiting the next episode. I think I may have even managed to get my dad to see the value of the show. (Though my brother still refuses to be in the room while I'm watching it. What, not manly enough for ponies? :P) Discord was especially awesome, he managed to make it into some of my top villains of all time list. Anyways, awesome show and I await the next episode while starting some milder forays into the worlds of the better fan fiction out there.
P.S. Some of the music/remixes based off the show out there are awesome! I especially liked Super Ponybeat, some of the best songs I've heard in a while.
Lucky, my dad only finds people getting killed violently manly....
Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2011, 02:25:21 am
P.S. Some of the music/remixes based off the show out there are awesome! I especially liked Super Ponybeat, some of the best songs I've heard in a while.Eurobeat's Discord is definitely in the running for my favorite pony song.
Post by: lyn on November 18, 2011, 03:00:18 am
Nauseous? Many people regard these things a delicacy. I am sure you could sell them on ebay for a good margin.Sell what? Pony eyes?
I'll just quote myself, if you don't mind.Leave it to the Bay12 forumgoers to turn cute magical ponies into a renewable source for a profitable second-hand organ trading business.
/me shakes his head in a sad reverie.
At any rate, it made me wonder if somepony has already created something along the lines of "The Great Pony Cookbook".
Googling only revealed a book called the Pink Ponies Cookbook (http://www.amazon.com/Pink-Ponies-Cookbook-ebook/dp/B0035NMED0), containing culinary specialties such as the "Royal Rainbow Fruit Tower" or "Carousel Cupcakes".
Ironically it's a cookbook for parties, too. :D
Now if you would excuse me, all this talk about food has made me quite hungry.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:08:19 am
Anyway, a poem that I've adapted from a song and fanfic. MC Dirty, that fanfic you posted I have stopped working on because I couldn't find any more to it than space marine hides, ponies chase, etc.
Now a rainbow's tale isn't quite as nice
As the story we knew of sugar and spice
But a rainbow's easy once you get to know it
With the help of the magic of the pegasus device
Let's look deeper into rainbow philosophy
Far beyond that of Cloudsdale's mythology
It's easy to misjudge that floating city
With it's alluring decor and social psychology
But with all great things comes a great responsibility
That of Cloudsdale's being weather stability
How you may ask
Are they up to the task
The answer to which lies in a single facility
In the Rainbow Factory
Where your fears and horrors come true
In the Rainbow Factory
Where not a single soul gets through.
One time three foals who had finished their trials
Were waiting to see if they were passes or fails
The examiners came out, one two and three.
And told them they were all to be fuel for thee
A fourth came out, the hero of the foals
Tossing them in as if they were coals.
One foal was slow
But made a beautiful glow.
The second sacrificed
And then she was diced.
The third was trapped and saw her attacker.
And stood stock still, braver than any other.
Then she said these lies,
in her last testament
You have beautiful eyes,
then became rainbow cement.
In the Rainbow Factory, etc.
But did it end there? Was that the last of these tales?
You must beware, for if your results are fails
Then you will become the next
Maybe you will have a nice text
-ure, and truth be told
You need never fear growing old
But for one fear another is replaced
To become that which in skies is traced
For as you are ground
They make another round
And when your light is gone
Another will be drawn
Forth from those that have been selected
Not a one will be taken from those elected.
In the Rainbow Factory, etc.
So listen my children, and do pass your test
Don't doze away thinking that your lives are blest
For if you do, into the Rainbow Factory you will be fed
And like those three foals, you will soon be dead.
None will survive, if they do not thrive.
For all must derive the stuff of being alive
And to us is given a special task
To keep weather stable, you did ask.
Now remember it well and hide it my children
For if Celestia finds out, a new purge will begin.
In the Rainbow Factory, etc.
Fin
Also, I'm thinking of bringing a modern army to Equestria. Ponies are doomed.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 18, 2011, 03:14:19 am
Add Study Buddies.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 04:21:21 am
Damnit, you guys! Especially you, TBP. If I wasn't here to brutally break everyone and hurt them with a few choice words, you should have!Ugh, Rainbow Factory. Never actually read it, but the premise itself is ridiculously dark - as in, dark and ridiculous.
Anyway, a poem that I've adapted from a song and fanfic. MC Dirty, that fanfic you posted I have stopped working on because I couldn't find any more to it than space marine hides, ponies chase, etc.
-snip-
Also, I'm thinking of bringing a modern army to Equestria. Ponies are doomed.
What would a modern army do in Equestria? I mean in the sense of "why would they be doing what they would be doing there?".
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 04:23:05 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So a race between a falcon or a hawk, a bald eagle, an owl, and a flying. Well, all I can say is that it's going to be the flying, just for fun.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 04:34:58 am
And by the way, that's a bat.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 04:47:18 am
So after a few hours of TVTropes surfing I found a link to a wonderful PPC story in which Cupcakes is taken down. Hard. With a baseball bat signed by Lauren Faust. Link is here. (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1KmcAgo2JEbSFBr6ZFRHUSp3Ey4gXyi384U90HLipCnE)
Felt rather bleh. I didn't see any OOCness in the story. Sure, it was a ridiculous premise, but following that premise through, the story follows logically.
The flying? Is it a relative of the large ?
And by the way, that's a bat.
Rhyming slang. Flying rat = bat.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 04:54:28 am
And while I would normally agree that I saw no real OOC in Cupcakes (yes, apart from the premise, and the fact I'm no good at defining characters anyway), but I did like that PPC mission very much. That was the first PPC mission I'd read, in fact, and I stumbled upon it in much the same way.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:01:08 am
Well, I know of the flying rat (in fact in russian, it'd be "flying mouse", making the rat thing even funnier), but I saw no rat in your post.
And while I would normally agree that I saw no real OOC in Cupcakes (yes, apart from the premise, and the fact I'm no good at defining characters anyway), but I did like that PPC mission very much. That was the first PPC mission I'd read, in fact, and I stumbled upon it in much the same way.
Yes. Rhyming slang you drop the word that rhymes. So you don't say china plate for mate, you just say china.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 05:08:13 am
*files under "terminally useless knowledge"*
I still see no rhyme anywhere, btw. :P
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:10:08 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 05:15:18 am
Yeah, I can see that working so well in a casual conversation... *muffled explosion in the background* Dammit, I thought I turned it off this time!
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:21:23 am
Post by: Fniff on November 18, 2011, 05:23:44 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 05:26:01 am
In other words, Rhyming Slang is an etymological clusterf*ck.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:28:51 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Pic related.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:29:52 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 05:32:58 am
And yes.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 05:33:22 am
Ok I admit it. About a week ago I finally got up the nerve to type what I then thought would be a girly show into the search bar and see what all the hype was about. I was wrong. This is an epic show an I am now eagerly awaiting the next episode. I think I may have even managed to get my dad to see the value of the show. (Though my brother still refuses to be in the room while I'm watching it. What, not manly enough for ponies? :P) Discord was especially awesome, he managed to make it into some of my top villains of all time list. Anyways, awesome show and I await the next episode while starting some milder forays into the worlds of the better fan fiction out there.
P.S. Some of the music/remixes based off the show out there are awesome! I especially liked Super Ponybeat, some of the best songs I've heard in a while.
At the Gala (20% Cooler) remix is pretty awesomesauce, as well as SoGreatAndPowerful's musics. Also, Flutterwonder is a fan favorite of just about every brony.
Post by: Fniff on November 18, 2011, 05:34:35 am
Theory: Sean is actually a time traveler from the 2240's who wanted to warn us about something really bad but got quite sidetracked.
Anyway, does anyone think that bronies kinda spread like a contagion?
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 05:37:12 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:38:39 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 05:41:09 am
And I'm not from 2240's. The kind of interface I'm using wouldn't be feasible until at least the late 2300's, and I got a production model, some ten-twenty years down the line. If I did come here to warn you about something, I've long forgotten what it was. :-\
Post by: Fniff on November 18, 2011, 05:46:14 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:46:54 am
Post by: Fniff on November 18, 2011, 05:48:30 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:53:27 am
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:58:48 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 05:59:33 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 06:02:03 am
Post by: Fniff on November 18, 2011, 06:03:17 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 06:05:29 am
Perhaps you should build a time travel device, go back to your time, kill and replace your past self and live his life until you have to be called in.Time travel is impossible. Well, not in the usual way at least. If you want to somehow end up in a different spot on the timeline in the same universe you're starting from, you have to do a "double reacharound" through an adjacent branch 'verse, and the most annoying thing is you never actually go anywhere. I.e. "you" do end up at the destination, but you never actually leave the point of origin. Can't send energy between 'verses from within, only data - and since quantum states qualify for "data", you can do quantum entanglement, with sufficient precision and power. The simplest and most power-effective method of "travel", thusly, is just... "occupying"... someone, through substituting simple energy patterns across a length of time, essentially fabricating memories over the course of an individual's life. Luckily, the interface I have allows for more direct methods (hurray for AMFusion!), but it's still rather unnerving that things like that might be happening nearby.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 06:35:59 am
China.
They want more territory.
Post by: Fniff on November 18, 2011, 06:42:01 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 06:42:46 am
(okay, okay, bad joke :P)
Hmm, Chinese communists encroaching on socialist Equestria. Sounds okay, as long as you keep the main characters off the goddamn front lines. Equestria has a standing military for this sort of thing. And I do believe Celestia would not consider it beneath herself to personally oversee the initial bout of "diplomacy". Now, when they capture or kill her.... THEN things might get interesting.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 06:46:53 am
Also, what standing army does Equestria have?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 06:54:34 am
Well, then again, whatever military they have has never dealt with the kind of firepower "modern" armies can bring to bear. Pies would likely not work here. :P
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 07:06:40 am
This wasn't like they had said it would be back in Canterlot. Well dressed armoured unicorns shouting to join up. It had all seemed so fun, like an adventure. But now – now it was just horrifying. The attack continued. More whistling, followed by the counterpart explosions. Starbuck started to cry. He continued to crawl forward, but just broke down in tears.
"What are you doing, colt?! Get up and fight!" came the distinctive voice of the commissar. Starbuck continued to cry, and received a quick buck to the hindquarters for his trouble. He turned to see his commissar, Gens Sparkle. He was a brave colt. Standing up, his armour shining, he was a beacon for them, a remembrance of the grace of the Princess. Starbuck's courage was renewed, and he stood up. He'd make the houmen pay for this.
He charged forward. "For Equestria and victory!"
A machine gun opened up on the survivors of the artillery barrage. None of the Sixth Royal Guard made it back to base.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 07:16:01 am
RAT-A-TAT-A-TAT! More of things it spat came from behind her, and she turned her head. Another was on her tail, and it had her lined up. She tried to dive down, but it had bracketed her. With another short burst, it tore through her left wing. Desperation evident in her eyes, she fell to the earth like a stone. Hopefully, the unicorns would be there to catch her.
But she could already see the houmen swarming like ants over the trenches the earth ponies and unicorns had dug. Spersed inbetween were the bodies of dead ponies, some more intact than others. She offered up a last prayer to whatever was out there, and closed her eyes.
Crunch.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 07:29:11 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 07:41:05 am
It was almost time for the houmens to turn up now, anyway. Braincolts back at HQ said that the houmen probably liked fighting in the day because they had a phobia of the night. Several daring raids had been done by the flycolts and the pegasi at night. Usually with no resistance, either.
A whistle sounded. That was the signal. Just like in training, Bristle raised a shield above him. He could hear those fireworks now. This was to be the first engagement of the three hundred and seventy eighth/ seven hundred and fifty second combined battalion. Old colts of the 378th had got some fighting in, but HQ had seen fit to join the two together because of causalities or something like that. But Bristle's squad was all 752nd Battalion colts. They raised their shields as one, lifting tnem to the sky. The whistling got louder. Mustang, a colt five across from Bristle, started to joke about something and dropped his shield for a second.
With a roar, the shells fell and blew on the shields. All except Mustang's. The shell hit the trench and blew, knocking down Mustang, the sergeant, and another colt Bristle couldn't remember. The smoke filled the trench, and Bristle let out a laugh at the silly fireworks of the houmen. But soon enough, the smoke cleared.
"MEDIC! COLTS DOWN! MEDIC!" came the frenzied cry. The houmen was swarming, and Bristle dropped. What...what the hay had happened? There was a ringing in his ear. Another pony was screaming at him to get up. Couldn't he have a rest? He was so tired. And wet. His right foreleg was killing him. Ha! Killing him! He'd have to tell Mustang about that. Mustang! That old son of a gun! He was a good bloke. He'd laugh. That other pony was screaming again. Something about a doctor. He wasn't a doctor! He was a gardener. Wait. That was what he was forgetting. It was time to garden.
He stood up and walked from the trench. Time to gard-
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 07:50:00 am
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 07:59:31 am
Btw, that Kamina has no relevance to the TTGL crossover I've been thinking of. It's just from an avatar request thread over at GiTP.
edit: and now in color:
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Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 08:17:35 am
Next part I should do should be about the battles of Ponyville and Cloudsdale. First battle of the war was a small skirmish outside Ponyville, as the first settlement outside the Everfree Forest. After the EFF, they don't trust the ponies, and they open fire on them. Celestia doesn't know what happened until Cloudsdale. Cloudsdale is after the Chinese forces occupy Ponyville and interrogate some of the ponies. They send a message to high command, who orders them to march on Canterlot. An air battle ensures in Cloudsdale, with Chinese fighters zooming through the insubstantial city. Most of the pegasi are killed. Some of them escape and warn Celestia, who discovers what happened to Ponyville and starts a recruitment drive.
Even with everything they have, they are badly trained, have no understanding of tactics or strategy, and after several battles of complete loss, Canterlot is besieged. The city is destroyed in the fighting.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 08:56:45 am
Also, complete:
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Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 08:59:56 am
Anyway, next I was going to have Celestia flee the country, and have a tale about the Chinese oppression, but I don't have any real knowledge of how they do oppress people.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 09:03:47 am
(http://images.wikia.com/gurennlagann/images/f/fa/Kaminas_signature_pose.gif)
I.e. the source of the whole "spiky orange glasses" thing. From Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, an anime about ridiculously large robots.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 09:04:57 am
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I have no idea what I'm looking at. Well, that's not quite true, but I have no idea where to put it. ^^Spoiler (click to show/hide)
All three in one file? Would make the most sense, I guess. Idea for a title?
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 09:08:04 am
This guy:
(http://images.wikia.com/gurennlagann/images/f/fa/Kaminas_signature_pose.gif)
I.e. the source of the whole "spiky orange glasses" thing. From Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, an anime about ridiculously large robots.
Haven't heard of him, of any spiky orange glasses thing, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, anime, or ridiculously large robots.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 09:09:07 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)I have no idea what I'm looking at. Well, that's not quite true, but I have no idea where to put it. ^^Spoiler (click to show/hide)
All three in one file? Would make the most sense, I guess. Idea for a title?
Mao's Last Prancer?
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 09:12:35 am
Alright, renamed the file.Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)I have no idea what I'm looking at. Well, that's not quite true, but I have no idea where to put it. ^^Spoiler (click to show/hide)
All three in one file? Would make the most sense, I guess. Idea for a title?
Mao's Last Prancer?
Oh, also, here's (http://db.tt/2n5o9Oq4) the fanfic folder again.
I'm just gonna keep reposting it if noone minds. ^^
Now I only need to go through this thread and collect everything. Oh, well, that shouldn't be a problem!
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 09:15:56 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 11:05:52 am
Yes, I am a horrible person. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit)
Post by: Zangi on November 18, 2011, 11:20:51 am
Its what we call compromise. I love it, always been partial to grimdark
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 11:25:09 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 12:04:20 pm
On the other hand, if this were any forum other than the Bay 12 forum these things would probably never have come to be, but the point still stands - I can barely stand MLP characters being killed. Their characters are very powerful so far, and they are, indeed, probably the nicest characters written in the recent years. If I failed back then to influence the direction Friends in Need was taking, I most likely would never have joined you people.
Be that as it may, I do enjoy envisioning ways of repairing the damage done to the 'verses, so it's not all bad. A shame I don't have much of a way with words, or any serious drawing skill beyond the technical side. I'd be writing repair-fics left and right in you people's wake. :)
Post by: Drago55577 on November 18, 2011, 12:05:47 pm
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 12:25:51 pm
Got done with the second part of the torture.
Yes, I am a horrible person. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit)
Yes, too bad indeed. Just to counterbalance all of the gore, I'm going to start thinking about what I could write to give everyone here diabetes.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 12:30:16 pm
I've considered making my fic into a small series where all the background characters get the love and attention they deserve. And I've already got ideas in my head about a little, shall we say, duet between Vinyl Scratch and Octavia.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2011, 12:32:53 pm
I like it.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 12:46:32 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 01:43:56 pm
Got done with the second part of the torture.Yes, you are, but that's nothing new.
Yes, I am a horrible person. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit)
I need a title, though, unless you want to stick with "Untitled (11-18-2011)".
Also, I should probably just make a new file for all of Dsarker's short, unfinished, untitled fics.
Also, I should probably mark the grimdark fanfics in some way. Of course, "grimdark" is subjective. For example, I would count CrazyCow's WH40k crossover as "Dark", but not necessarily Grimdark. Most longer stories by Dsarker (and especially TBP) are most definitely Grimdark, though.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 01:59:10 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 02:01:40 pm
Got done with the second part of the torture.
Yes, I am a horrible person. (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit)
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Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 02:04:03 pm
I have decided that the names in the series are going to be "[CHARACTER] Get(s) Loved On."Wow, that's... that's absolutely horrible!
I probably shouldn't be surprised, but still...
Okay, fuck this, I'll stick a grimdark tag on there. Anything else would be grossly negligent.
Post by: Zangi on November 18, 2011, 02:08:30 pm
Clearer labels like contains extreme violence or gore may be more appropriate here... I figure some other non-pony fanfiction places have better labels then dark and grimdark...
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 02:14:29 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 02:17:42 pm
The grimdark label... its probably all too encompassing. Its like a nice way to say it includes horrid death and a bad way to say it includes dark themes that are implied but not written out.Hmm, that's difficult to decide, really. When I say "Grimdark", I mean the stuff that TBP posts. Horrid deaths and torture scenes. And while CrazyCow's WH40k crossover does have gore in it, I wouldn't really call it disturbing, sick and wrong like TBP's stuff. If you avoid anything that has gore in it, you'd avoid some really good stuff, including things like FO:E which, as far as I know, does have deaths and the usual really painful wounds, but no self-indulgent torture or particularly horrible deaths.
Clearer labels like contains extreme violence or gore may be more appropriate here... I figure some other non-pony fanfiction places have better labels then dark and grimdark...
Even "Extreme Violence" is rather vague...
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 02:18:21 pm
With TBP's recent shift, it'll be appropriate to differentiate Grimdark tags into [Grimdark as Hell] and [Grimdark as Fuck].
Or Grimhell or Grimf**k, to fit the two syllable limit.
Post by: Drago55577 on November 18, 2011, 02:21:59 pm
Btw, don't read Studie Buddies, Quest Fir Romance or any other fanfics related to romance in any way, study buddies had
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Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2011, 02:22:28 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 02:27:33 pm
Still pretty messed up (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit), though, so read at your own risk.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 02:31:34 pm
Well, I ended it all on a rather nice note. Derpy don't die.
Still pretty messed up (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit), though, so read at your own risk.
AFTER ALL THAT YOU DID, WHY DID YOU KEEP HER ALIVE?
/characterstorturedtotheextremearebetteroffdeadthansufferingforlife.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 02:33:43 pm
Well, I ended it all on a rather nice note. Derpy don't die.Gotta agree with New Guy on that.
Still pretty messed up (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kb8G1bLybO-BuPguFAWUF4AZ3WoX2cX56HTHyWGP5eI/edit), though, so read at your own risk.
Also, I'll just quote your signature here to show how I feel about that story.
Nothing important here, move along.I will never, ever read that story. I will, however, add it to the pile (http://db.tt/2n5o9Oq4).
Also, can anyone tell me how bad Dsarker's WH40k fanfics are? The latest one ("Friendship Was Heresy") is pretty clearly grimdark since it features Pinkie Pie going on a horrific murder spree, but I'm not sure about the first one.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 02:39:27 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 02:41:23 pm
I believe the appropriate label for TBP's stories is "torture porn".Oh hey, there's a word for it! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Gorn)
Of course, TVTropes isn't really reliable information, but I don't give a shit about reliable information; it fits so well.
In fact, I should probably just make a .txt file with a list of tags. For now, it'll probably just be warning tags (like "Involves death/torture/gore").
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 02:41:58 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on November 18, 2011, 02:44:08 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 02:45:58 pm
I'm reading that story now to, so Derpy lives?Yes, but in a horribly mutilated way that probably makes her wish she was dead.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 02:48:56 pm
Anyway, my first one isn't as grimdark, but it is still grim dark.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 02:50:28 pm
Quote
(D) - Involves death
(G) - Involves graphic violence ("depiction of serious physical injuries involving blood, flesh, bone and brain matter")
(C) - Involves extreme cruelty (torture, slow and painful deaths)
(G+) - Involves extreme and sadistic violence; "torture porn"; most likely includes all of the above; most likely written by TBP
Any other ideas? Or are these too vague?
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 02:52:58 pm
Alrighty, I've made up four tags that I'm gonna stick somewhere in the file names.Quote(D) - Involves death
(G) - Involves graphic violence ("depiction of serious physical injuries involving blood, flesh, bone and brain matter")
(C) - Involves extreme cruelty (torture, slow and painful deaths)
(G+) - Involves extreme and sadistic violence; "torture porn"; most likely includes all of the above; most likely written by TBP
Any other ideas? Or are these too vague?
(B) for stories that'll give you the 'beetis.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 02:55:08 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 02:55:41 pm
Meh, I don't really want to put too many tags in the filenames. It just makes it look cluttered. This is more of a temporary solution, anyway. Although I have no idea what a final solution would look like. It's pretty much impossible to get a tag system working when all you have are files and folders.Alrighty, I've made up four tags that I'm gonna stick somewhere in the file names.Quote(D) - Involves death
(G) - Involves graphic violence ("depiction of serious physical injuries involving blood, flesh, bone and brain matter")
(C) - Involves extreme cruelty (torture, slow and painful deaths)
(G+) - Involves extreme and sadistic violence; "torture porn"; most likely includes all of the above; most likely written by TBP
Any other ideas? Or are these too vague?
(B) for stories that'll give you the 'beetis.
Also, TBP has a point, we don't have a single "cute" story yet.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 02:56:19 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 02:58:33 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 03:03:40 pm
I think it's better to have multiple single-letter tags that can be strung together. D for death, G for graphic violence, C for cruelty, T for torture, S for shipping, A for adventure, etc., the end result being a tag like [CATS]. Not just the negative, but positive things too. Of course, this will inevitably lead to some monstrous happy-adventure-romance-graphic-cruel-torture fic, but if the tag system can handle it, that's all that matters.Yeah, that was exactly what I wanted to do. But I really don't want to look through all the stories. I don't even want to read some of the stories. In fact, I would like to deny the existence of some of the stories.
Also, I need help with this. Some of the fics are massively huge. Send me a PM if you'd like to help. Oh, you should also have Dropbox!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 03:06:42 pm
As far as Dropbox is concerned -
/me points to sig.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 03:07:13 pm
Not that I might not, of course :P.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:07:43 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 03:08:32 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 03:10:35 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:11:45 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 03:12:23 pm
Anyway, would it then count as [CARTGOD]?This amuses me greatly. But a [CATGOD] is fine, too.
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Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 03:17:02 pm
Anyway, would it then count as [CARTGOD]?I'm not sure a one-sided relation to a drunken pegasus counts as "romance".
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 03:32:05 pm
Should I use a letter for Gorn, the stuff which is currently [G+]? Maybe just put a "+" at the end of the tag list to indicate Gorn? Because you could have "off-screen" (for lack of a better word) torture which would mean putting the [T] tag in there, but there's still a huge jump between that and, well, TBP.
Also, what exactly is the difference between extreme cruelty and violence ([C]) and torture ([T])? I feel the need to split the two, if only to be able to tag a story [CATGOD].
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:34:55 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 03:37:24 pm
What about rape? We don't have a tag for that.Oh yeah, of course! Added it in right now.
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LIST OF TAGS
[D] - Includes death
[G] - Includes graphic violence ("depiction of serious physical injuries involving blood, flesh, bone and brain matter")
[C] - Includes extreme cruelty (slow and painful deaths etc.)
[+] - Includes extreme and sadistic violence; "torture porn"; most likely includes [CGD]
[R] - Includes romance
[T] - Includes torture
[A] - ADVENTURE!!!
[O] - Includes original characters
[V] - Includes rapeStill don't know how to split [C] and [T]...
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:38:29 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 03:38:53 pm
So romance and rape get the same tag? Unfortunate implications there.OF COURSE! Didn't notice it, really...
Edit: Changed "rape" to [V].
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:40:31 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 03:41:24 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 03:42:12 pm
What about the + just amplifying the proceeding tag?Hmm, could work, I guess, though that would be extremely difficult. Some of it makes sense, but what the hell is [R+] supposed to be, then?
Although I like the idea, really. [O+] would be ONLY original characters, [G+C+T+] would be TBP etc.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:43:02 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 03:44:58 pm
What about the + just amplifying the proceeding tag?Hmm, could work, I guess, though that would be extremely difficult. Some of it makes sense, but what the hell is [R+] supposed to be, then?
Although I like the idea, really. [O+] would be ONLY original characters, [G+C+T+] would be TBP etc.
[R] would be actual romance; emotional bonding, relationship building, and such. [R+] would be a clopfic. Similar to how [G] would be violence occuring in the story, and [G+] would be detailed descriptions of it.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 03:47:36 pm
I thought that [R+] would be a story that is solely or mostly about romance while [R] just means that there is romance.What about the + just amplifying the proceeding tag?Hmm, could work, I guess, though that would be extremely difficult. Some of it makes sense, but what the hell is [R+] supposed to be, then?
Although I like the idea, really. [O+] would be ONLY original characters, [G+C+T+] would be TBP etc.
[R] would be actual romance; emotional bonding, relationship building, and such. [R+] would be a clopfic. Similar to how [G] would be violence occuring in the story, and [G+] would be detailed descriptions of it.
We should probably have a sex tag (probably [S ]) in there, although I hope to god noone ever writes [S+].
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:48:58 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 03:50:19 pm
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LIST OF TAGS
The tag [+] amplifies the preceding tag, so [D+] means lots of death, [O+] means ONLY original characters
[S+] would be a clopfic and [G+], [C+] and [T+] mean particularly horrifying variations of [G],[C] and [T].
[D] - Includes death
[G] - Includes graphic violence ("depiction of serious physical injuries involving blood, flesh, bone and brain matter")
[C] - Includes extreme cruelty (slow and painful deaths etc.)
[R] - Includes romance
[T] - Includes torture
[A] - ADVENTURE!!!
[O] - Includes original characters
[V] - Includes rape
[S] - Includes sexProbably missed some things.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:52:25 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 03:53:20 pm
Just a friendly reminder that I don't think any of us need, but don't quote or link any stories or images with sexual content above PGish levels, because I don't think any of us want to have to start "Pony Thread V4: Because people couldn't take a fucking hint".
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 03:54:22 pm
What about V+?Meh, I guess some + variations just don't make any sense. Unless you have an idea for tagging stories with rape in them, I'll probably stick with this.
I am fully aware of this. But a S tag is necessary, if only for "the spiderses".
Just a friendly reminder that I don't think any of us need, but don't quote or link any stories or images with sexual content above PGish levels, because I don't think any of us want to have to start "Pony Thread V4: Because people couldn't take a fucking hint".
Edit: Hmm, should I maybe take out [V], then?
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:55:30 pm
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 03:56:21 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 03:57:23 pm
Although I doubt anyone here would pull of the latter.
Hmm, maybe I should change it to "sexual themes"? Well, that could mean anything, really! But "Special Delivery" needs to be tagged and masturbation is heavily implied.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 04:02:10 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 04:04:29 pm
I was more saying that no one should link directly to anything [R+] or [V] tagged, not that the tags should be removed.I still don't roll with the idea of [R+] being a clopfic, to be honest. But I get what you mean.
Problem is, I will have to link to, at least, the folder containing all of that stuff. Hope I don't get muted for that.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 04:05:09 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 04:06:27 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 04:07:38 pm
Well, I've already linked to things which would be V tagged.Heh, you probably shouldn't have said that.
Anyway, I still don't know how to tag "Special Delivery" (the one with Rainbow Dash getting literally shipped to Princess Celestia). Masturbation doesn't really count as sex. I don't wanna just put "sexual themes" for the S tag there because that's way too vague.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 04:13:35 pm
Soon enough they had finished planting the cylinders. Applejack yelled out to Dash. She didn't reply. Applejack frowned, and told Markon to stay there and wait. She went towards the room where Dash and Rarity had gone. After she had gone through, she yelled out something. Sounds of brawling ensued. Twenty seconds later, she walked out, dragging by her tail Rarity, who she had knocked out. A few seconds later, out came Dash who looked like she hadn't been merely physically attacked. "What in tha hay happened, Dash?" she demanded. "Let alone how she did it. You're a fething Guardspony, Dash! How could you let her overpower you like that?" Dash merely mumbled under her breath, her pride visibly broken. "Gakkit, you idiot. Markon, we need to get these two back to the Equisitor. We'll blow this place once we get out."
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 04:16:08 pm
Here's the entire scene, uncensored and as the author intended.Ah, I see, I remember reading about Rarity raping Dash in your story.
Soon enough they had finished planting the cylinders. Applejack yelled out to Dash. She didn't reply. Applejack frowned, and told Markon to stay there and wait. She went towards the room where Dash and Rarity had gone. After she had gone through, she yelled out something. Sounds of brawling ensued. Twenty seconds later, she walked out, dragging by her tail Rarity, who she had knocked out. A few seconds later, out came Dash who looked like she hadn't been merely physically attacked. "What in tha hay happened, Dash?" she demanded. "Let alone how she did it. You're a fething Guardspony, Dash! How could you let her overpower you like that?" Dash merely mumbled under her breath, her pride visibly broken. "Gakkit, you idiot. Markon, we need to get these two back to the Equisitor. We'll blow this place once we get out."
So, there is a point to having the [V] tag. Glad to know!
Although "glad" might be the wrong word here. "Horrified" fits way better.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 04:17:45 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 04:20:11 pm
What do you mean, Rarity raping Rainbow Dash? Don't know who this "Rainbow Dash" is. It's just "Dash".I didn't write anything about Rainbow Dash. Surely, you are delirious. ;D
Anyway, is Dash supposed to be Rainbow Dash or is it another character? I mean, is it similar to how the "Mica" in your story is Twilight Sparkle or what?
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 04:22:07 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 04:34:41 pm
...yes, I just made it possible for a story to be tagged [GOATSE].
So, new proposed tags:
V - violence, some form of inter-character fighting.
D - death, or themes of death.
G - gorn, graphic depictions of heavy injury.
T - torture, helpless characters being methodically broken by physical or mental means.
C - excessive cruelty; usually a compound tag, by itself may represent social cruelty such as bullying.
R - romance, interrelations, and shipping.
A - adventure, a coherent plot arc with a definite beginning and an end.
O - includes original characters.
S - includes sex between characters, or sexual themes.
E - includes sexually explicit descriptions. If you're wondering, yes, it's possible without an S tag.
For amplification, a + is too disruptive. How about uppercase and lowercase? FiN would be [vCaTGod] with the new Violence tag.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 04:38:00 pm
We could add an [E] tag, for Explicit content (G being graphic violence, E would be graphic, er, romance). V should be removed - rape is just sex plus cruelty - or replaced with plain old Violence.Hmm, that's very interesting. I like it! Definitely better than the first try.
...yes, I just made it possible for a story to be tagged [GOATSE].
So, new proposed tags:
V - violence, some form of inter-character fighting.
D - death, or themes of death.
G - gorn, graphic depictions of heavy injury.
T - torture, helpless characters being methodically broken by physical or mental means.
C - excessive cruelty; usually a compound tag, by itself may represent social cruelty such as bullying.
R - romance, interrelations, and shipping.
A - adventure, a coherent plot arc with a definite beginning and an end.
O - includes original characters.
S - includes sex between characters, or sexual themes.
E - includes sexually explicit descriptions. If you're wondering, yes, it's possible without an S tag.
For amplification, a + is too disruptive. How about uppercase and lowercase? FiN would be [vCaTGod] with the new Violence tag.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 04:41:13 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 04:43:26 pm
Rape would be XV or XC, although those two tags could appear without there actually being rape in the story.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2011, 04:47:13 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 04:48:14 pm
I do love the [N] and [H] tags, though. Adding them in right now.
Ratings are worthless. Just use descriptive tags instead of pre-set tags.That's possible on EqD, but not when you want to fit the tags in the file name.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 04:58:31 pm
So, final list of tags as I see 'em for now:
Code: [Select]
[v] - violence, some form of inter-character fighting.
[d] - death, or themes of death.
[g] - gorn, graphic depictions of heavy injury.
[t] - torture, helpless characters being methodically broken by physical or mental means.
[c] - excessive cruelty; usually a compound tag, by itself may represent social cruelty such as bullying.
[r] - romance, interrelations, and shipping.
[n] - normal, everyday, slice-of-life proceedings.
[h] - humor, comedy.
[a] - adventure, a coherent plot arc with a definite beginning and an end.
[s] - sad, heavily emotional and moving events.
[o] - includes original characters.
[x] - includes sex between characters, or sexual themes.
[e] - includes sexually explicit descriptions. If you're wondering, yes, it's possible without an X tag.
[p] - includes rape, implied or explicit.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 05:01:30 pm
Thanks for that, that really helps me a lot.
Now, I only need to tag all those stories. ::)
Edit: One thing: [g] would be gore, while [G] would be Gorn. It's the difference between Twilight Sparkle shooting her leg off in CrazyCow's story and... whatever TBP writes.
Edit2: Maybe rape should be L? If only, so we could get a [longcat] story. :P
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 05:28:42 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 05:32:09 pm
That sounds like the kind of story I'd write if I was willing to write a rape scene. Except for that the n would inherently be incompatible with the a without some kind of blasphemous magic.That is, unfortunately, true.
Hell, [n] would be incompatible with most of the other tags. Oh well, no [longcat] for us.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 05:32:19 pm
L is a bit too arbitrary a letter for "rape" though. L could mean same-sex relationships... with amplification going from low-squick F/F to high-squick M/M... oh gog this is horrible.
Why are we talking about this in a pony thread?
Post by: Neonivek on November 18, 2011, 05:37:15 pm
That sounds like the kind of story I'd write if I was willing to write a rape scene. Except for that the n would inherently be incompatible with the a without some kind of blasphemous magic.That is, unfortunately, true.
Hell, [n] would be incompatible with most of the other tags. Oh well, no [longcat] for us.
Wait is everyone talking about the Carebears all of a sudden?
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 05:39:00 pm
- [L]
- for rape; [l] is used for male, [L] for female, and the case of the o indicates if it is described or implied. Rapist would come first, rapee second, with the o in the middle. So Dsarker's would be [L]
- [L].
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:41:47 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 05:42:08 pm
Sorta fixed that for ya.Code: [Select]Suggest use of [l][o][L][O] for rape; [l] is used for male, [L] for female, and the case of the o indicates if it is described or implied. Rapist would come first, rapee second, with the o in the middle. So Dsarker's would be [L][o][L].
Hmm, I don't know, this is getting way too complicated right now, especially since O is already "original character".
I think it's fine as it is. We can't possibly hope to cover every single fanfic with any amount of tags, so going into all these specifics makes it, in my opinion, more complicated than necessary.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 05:43:31 pm
Also, just noticed how I screwed my post with lists.
Trixie, why does this not surprise me? (http://gig-mendecil.deviantart.com/art/Trixie-Found-a-Better-Car-than-Yours-269360267)
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:44:49 pm
From the lowest level (Lauren Faust) to low (Sean) medium (Crazy Cow) high (Dsarker) to ultra high (TBP).
Post by: Drago55577 on November 18, 2011, 05:46:19 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 05:46:40 pm
A what?
See you in a few years. Or more. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrainBleach)
hopefully
Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2011, 05:47:56 pm
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 05:49:44 pm
Trixie, why does this not surprise me? (http://gig-mendecil.deviantart.com/art/Trixie-Found-a-Better-Car-than-Yours-269360267)Haha, oh wow, that fits so well.
Also, new EqD banner already.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Dsarker, I like your idea of a Brain-Bleach-o-Meter, but I don't think it would be a replacement for tags. It would make a good addition, though. Only problem is, it would make the tags in the file names even longer. Besides, how would you depict it? Numerically, from 1 to 5?
Hmm, actually, now that I think about it, that could work. It would mean just one more symbol in the file name.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 05:51:17 pm
And yeah, kind of like a star rating, except more like a Squick rating.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 05:51:52 pm
There are few things that can throw me into fits of real life rage, but implying that men being raped is in any way, shape, or form less heinous than women being raped is one of them. Use the same tag, please.
Actually, running with the interpretation Dsarker took from that comment of mine on how rape isn't funny, the implication would have been the other way around. (As 'lol' is less funny than 'LoL' and hence more serious)
And I still maintain my original position that if something needs a tag to indicate that there is rape in it, it probably shouldn't be included in the first place, as approximately 0% of rapes in (fan)fiction are treated seriously. So, I would say no rape tag at all, because chances are, the rape isn't particularly relevant to the plot, should never have been included in the first place, and should be removed before inclusion.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:52:25 pm
There are few things that can throw me into fits of real life rage, but implying that men being raped is in any way, shape, or form less heinous than women being raped is one of them. Use the same tag, please.I'd say more heinous, simply because many countries don't have laws against the rape of men. It's not even considered.
Post by: drilltooth on November 18, 2011, 05:52:36 pm
my discord song of choice. (http://youtu.be/jDMGv3hNMes)
and yeah, any rating/tagging system will have flaws. but C for 'Cupcakes' makes sense to me.
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 05:54:33 pm
There are few things that can throw me into fits of real life rage, but implying that men being raped is in any way, shape, or form less heinous than women being raped is one of them. Use the same tag, please.
Actually, running with the interpretation Dsarker took from that comment of mine on how rape isn't funny, the implication would have been the other way around.
No. Capitals are used for more severe/heinous/more pronounced parts of a story. Using an l for rape of men and a L for the rape of women implies that the rape of women is worse.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 05:55:44 pm
And I still maintain my original position that if something needs a tag to indicate that there is rape in it, it probably shouldn't be included in the first place, as approximately 0% of rapes in (fan)fiction are treated seriously. So, I would say no rape tag at all, because chances are, the rape isn't particularly relevant to the plot, should never have been included in the first place, and should be removed before inclusion.I disagree with you there. There are plenty of reasons why rape in a fanfic can be relevant to the plot. For example, a MLP/I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream crossover. Could be really good if done well and rape is an important part in one of the characters' back story.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 06:05:18 pm
Actually, I'd prefer it if there were no gender specific tags at all.And I still maintain my original position that if something needs a tag to indicate that there is rape in it, it probably shouldn't be included in the first place, as approximately 0% of rapes in (fan)fiction are treated seriously. So, I would say no rape tag at all, because chances are, the rape isn't particularly relevant to the plot, should never have been included in the first place, and should be removed before inclusion.I disagree with you there. There are plenty of reasons why rape in a fanfic can be relevant to the plot. For example, a MLP/I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream crossover. Could be really good if done well and rape is an important part in one of the characters' back story.
See, the thing is, it would be necessary if there were stories where rape didn't exist solely as drama or squick. If there were stories with good reasons for a rape to occur, yeah. But there aren't.
There are few things that can throw me into fits of real life rage, but implying that men being raped is in any way, shape, or form less heinous than women being raped is one of them. Use the same tag, please.
Actually, running with the interpretation Dsarker took from that comment of mine on how rape isn't funny, the implication would have been the other way around.
No. Capitals are used for more severe/heinous/more pronounced parts of a story. Using an l for rape of men and a L for the rape of women implies that the rape of women is worse.
Refer to: context of the post. Specifically, it was poking holes in the idea of rape as comedy, not following the rules of how to properly indicate the degree of disgust which should be associated with a story. lol is an indicator of mild amusement, LOL is an indicator of actual laughter. It was pretty obvious that it wasn't intended as a serious contribution to the list.
For a semi-serious suggestion, suggest [y] and [Y], as in "Why would you imply this?" and "Why the hell would you post this!?"
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 06:07:03 pm
By the way, we forgot a "Horror" tag. What should we use for that, a B? As in, "Boo"?
Post by: Dsarker on November 18, 2011, 06:12:24 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 06:13:20 pm
It's the same reason why torture can be relevant to the plot - like it is in the case of FiN.Would be difficult, really. What would "horror" be? It's mainly just a feeling of intense fear and dread. Whether something will horrify the reader should be clear from the rest of the tags. Like [GTC], that's pretty horrible.
By the way, we forgot a "Horror" tag. What should we use for that, a B? As in, "Boo"?
Or do you mean "horror" more specifically, as in supernatural entities/events intended to frighten the reader? I guess that would make sense, but this definitely needs to be cleared up.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on November 18, 2011, 06:22:12 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 06:26:57 pm
It's the same reason why torture can be relevant to the plot - like it is in the case of FiN.Would be difficult, really. What would "horror" be? It's mainly just a feeling of intense fear and dread. Whether something will horrify the reader should be clear from the rest of the tags. Like [GTC], that's pretty horrible.
By the way, we forgot a "Horror" tag. What should we use for that, a B? As in, "Boo"?
Or do you mean "horror" more specifically, as in supernatural entities/events intended to frighten the reader? I guess that would make sense, but this definitely needs to be cleared up.
You'd also need to differentiate between "Scooby Doo 'it was old man Withers le gasp'" horror, "Oooh scary effects but nothing is really happening Blair Witch" horror, and "Brain-melting cosmic abomination knows your name" Lovecraftian horror.
Re: No good uses of rape >yet<. I think that I can stand very well on this in saying that we don't need to invent a tag for something which, in all probability, never exist. We've demonstrated how to use torture (or in TBP's case, gorn) to advance the plot and affect characters in meaningful ways, and others have as well. I have yet to see a fanfiction in which rape of any sort wasn't either being played for drama, being played for comedy, or trivialized. For that matter, I can think of very few published works in which rape is treated seriously, and most of those are of the variety where rape is included because it fits with the pseudohistorical context; if you've got a low-fantasy medieval Europe standin, there will probably be rape. If the mooks are space pirates, slavers, etc., there will probably be rape. So in those it is used as detail work in the worldbuilding, rather than as a major plot point.
When I see a fic where a rape is treated completely seriously, and where it occurs for a damn good reason, rather than as a substitute for dead parents or getting tortured, I'll agree that the tag is necessary. Please keep in mind that that was not an invitation.
Ed: Oh, and Necro gets unmuted today, doesn't he?
Also, no responsibilities beyond editing a paper, so I'm staying up with a ponystream. :)
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 06:35:46 pm
Horror as in horror. I don't know. Perhaps a "thriller" would be a closer term to what I'm thinking (remember, English as a second language here). We have tags covering most facets of emotion a story can elicit in response - happiness, sadness, repulsion and hate (in many many forms), and this one would concern fear, on either side of the fourth wall. I don't know if it's even possible to make the reader fear in sympathetic response to a written story...That is exactly the problem. I don't think it's possible, really.
Also, there are many facets of fear and most of them have already been covered by our large collection of incredibly horrible tags. Although you can, of course, have fear without having any violence, gore or death. In fact, that's the best kind of horror. But that doesn't change the fact that the horror tag would be added to most of the stories so far where we have characters fearing for their lives.
I think I'll add it regardless, since horror without gore or death is most definitely possible.
Also, Flying Dice, you are a freaking ninja. Of course there are differences in horror. That's why we have lower- and upper-case, after all. If the characters are genuinely afraid, even if it is just a Scooby Doo sort of story, I would probably add the horror tag. Upper-case horror tag would be much more serious. Also, just because nothing physically bad happens to the main character(s) doesn't mean that it can't be incredibly fucking scary.
Now that I think about it, "horror" has too many connotations and different interpretations. "Fear" would probably be more fitting.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 06:36:41 pm
-snip-
What was that last part? Something about an invitation? Sounds like an interesting idea.
:P Seriously, though, rape is one thing that isn't really easy not to trivialize. It's one of those big, bad, scary things that's hard to talk about, so it's hard to also take it completely seriously.
One way to handle it in a way that would drive the story is as an analysis of the inherent disparity between a man who is raped and a woman who is raped. Have a man who is sexually exploited, then shunted from society for being a 'wuss' and ignored by police because there's obviously no way the accused woman could have possibly raped this big burly hunk of man. Show the psychological side as he is forced by society to accept that he isn't worth it to anyone. Maybe even throw in a female being raped as a foil, demonstrating the affection and protection she gets while the man gets nothing.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 06:38:04 pm
Horror as in horror. I don't know. Perhaps a "thriller" would be a closer term to what I'm thinking (remember, English as a second language here). We have tags covering most facets of emotion a story can elicit in response - happiness, sadness, repulsion and hate (in many many forms), and this one would concern fear, on either side of the fourth wall. I don't know if it's even possible to make the reader fear in sympathetic response to a written story...That is exactly the problem. I don't think it's possible, really.
Also, there are many facets of fear and most of them have already been covered by our large collection of incredibly horrible tags. Although you can, of course, have fear without having any violence, gore or death. In fact, that's the best kind of horror. But that doesn't change the fact that the horror tag would be added to most of the stories so far where we have characters fearing for their lives.
I think I'll add it regardless, since horror without gore or death is most definitely possible.
Also, Flying Dice, you are a freaking ninja. Of course there are differences in horror. That's why we have lower- and upper-case, after all. If the characters are genuinely afraid, even if it is just a Scooby Doo sort of story, I would probably add the horror tag. Upper-case horror tag would be much more serious. Also, just because nothing physically bad happens to the main character(s) doesn't mean that it can't be incredibly fucking scary.
Now that I think about it, "horror" has too many connotations and different interpretations. "Fear" would probably be more fitting.
What, as in a creepy little girl appearing in random hallways, giving you hallucinations, and then raping you and getting pregnant?
Sorry, couldn't resist. Feel free to shoot me if my memory betrayed me. :P
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 06:42:01 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/5uBJT.jpg)Horror as in horror. I don't know. Perhaps a "thriller" would be a closer term to what I'm thinking (remember, English as a second language here). We have tags covering most facets of emotion a story can elicit in response - happiness, sadness, repulsion and hate (in many many forms), and this one would concern fear, on either side of the fourth wall. I don't know if it's even possible to make the reader fear in sympathetic response to a written story...That is exactly the problem. I don't think it's possible, really.
Also, there are many facets of fear and most of them have already been covered by our large collection of incredibly horrible tags. Although you can, of course, have fear without having any violence, gore or death. In fact, that's the best kind of horror. But that doesn't change the fact that the horror tag would be added to most of the stories so far where we have characters fearing for their lives.
I think I'll add it regardless, since horror without gore or death is most definitely possible.
Also, Flying Dice, you are a freaking ninja. Of course there are differences in horror. That's why we have lower- and upper-case, after all. If the characters are genuinely afraid, even if it is just a Scooby Doo sort of story, I would probably add the horror tag. Upper-case horror tag would be much more serious. Also, just because nothing physically bad happens to the main character(s) doesn't mean that it can't be incredibly fucking scary.
Now that I think about it, "horror" has too many connotations and different interpretations. "Fear" would probably be more fitting.
What, as in a creepy little girl appearing in random hallways, giving you hallucinations, and then raping you and getting pregnant?
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 06:45:39 pm
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/2010-01-07-hbnc_085_4067.jpg)Horror as in horror. I don't know. Perhaps a "thriller" would be a closer term to what I'm thinking (remember, English as a second language here). We have tags covering most facets of emotion a story can elicit in response - happiness, sadness, repulsion and hate (in many many forms), and this one would concern fear, on either side of the fourth wall. I don't know if it's even possible to make the reader fear in sympathetic response to a written story...That is exactly the problem. I don't think it's possible, really.
Also, there are many facets of fear and most of them have already been covered by our large collection of incredibly horrible tags. Although you can, of course, have fear without having any violence, gore or death. In fact, that's the best kind of horror. But that doesn't change the fact that the horror tag would be added to most of the stories so far where we have characters fearing for their lives.
I think I'll add it regardless, since horror without gore or death is most definitely possible.
Also, Flying Dice, you are a freaking ninja. Of course there are differences in horror. That's why we have lower- and upper-case, after all. If the characters are genuinely afraid, even if it is just a Scooby Doo sort of story, I would probably add the horror tag. Upper-case horror tag would be much more serious. Also, just because nothing physically bad happens to the main character(s) doesn't mean that it can't be incredibly fucking scary.
Now that I think about it, "horror" has too many connotations and different interpretations. "Fear" would probably be more fitting.
What, as in a creepy little girl appearing in random hallways, giving you hallucinations, and then raping you and getting pregnant?
Avast! matey, your link be broken.
-snip-
What was that last part? Something about an invitation? Sounds like an interesting idea.
:P Seriously, though, rape is one thing that isn't really easy not to trivialize. It's one of those big, bad, scary things that's hard to talk about, so it's hard to also take it completely seriously.
One way to handle it in a way that would drive the story is as an analysis of the inherent disparity between a man who is raped and a woman who is raped. Have a man who is sexually exploited, then shunted from society for being a 'wuss' and ignored by police because there's obviously no way the accused woman could have possibly raped this big burly hunk of man. Show the psychological side as he is forced by society to accept that he isn't worth it to anyone. Maybe even throw in a female being raped as a foil, demonstrating the affection and protection she gets while the man gets nothing.
It is also really hard to intentionally kill another human being, and yet there seems to be an abundance of people who find it to be exceptionally easy.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 06:47:14 pm
Anyway, replaced "horror" with "fear" and the tag [f].
Now, it looks like this:
Code: [Select]
LIST OF TAGS
Uppercase means amplification of the tag. So, [O] would be having only original characters, [A] would be a story
heavily focused on a coherent plot, [G] would be Gorn (heavily focused on horrific depictions of injury for thrills) etc.
[v] - violence, some form of inter-character fighting.
[d] - death, or themes of death.
[g] - gore, graphic depictions of heavy injury.
[t] - torture, helpless characters being methodically broken by physical or mental means.
[c] - excessive cruelty; usually a compound tag, by itself may represent social cruelty such as bullying.
[n] - normal, everyday, slice-of-life proceedings.
[h] - humor, comedy.
[s] - sad, heavily emotional and moving events.
[f] - scary, horrifying and fear-inducing events
[r] - romance, interrelations, and shipping.
[a] - adventure, a coherent plot arc with a definite beginning and an end.
[o] - includes original characters.
[x] - includes sex between characters, or sexual themes.
[e] - includes sexually explicit descriptions. If you're wondering, yes, it's possible without an X tag.
[p] - includes rape, implied or explicit.I kept the rape tag in for now. I know it's difficult to write a story where rape is an important plot element, but there is the possibility. There's a reason it's at the very bottom of the list.Also, I just realized this thread is about a cute show with ponies, friendship and rainbows.
We're talking about rape. O_O
Post by: Flying Dice on November 18, 2011, 06:49:37 pm
Spoiler: Look out, everypony, there are ninjas on the loose! (click to show/hide)
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 06:52:59 pm
That is an incredibly awesome picture. Is there a higher res version of it somewhere?Spoiler: Look out, everypony, there are ninjas on the loose! (click to show/hide)
Edit: Found it! (http://www.deviantart.com/download/263156138/pony_ninja_attack_wallpaper_by_giantmosquito-d4cockq.png)
Edit2: Original comic is here (http://www.deviantart.com/download/261476253/grouchy_rainbow__hidden_derpy_by_giantmosquito-d4bocd9.png).
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 07:10:36 pm
If you happen to like Vinyl Scratch or Octavia and cannot mentally distance yourself from their plight, you may not want to read.
Believe it or not, I do have feelings. I'm just what's called an 'autistic psychopath', which means I can turn all those nasty feelings of sympathy and guilt off, at least when it comes to something that I'm writing and don't want to get attached to.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 07:16:19 pm
However, I am, of course, going to upload it (http://db.tt/2n5o9Oq4).
In fact, I already have!
And no, I don't believe you have feelings.
Now, as a counter-measure against the horribleness that is TBP's stories, I'm gonna link this (http://ask-dr-adorable.tumblr.com/).
It's Fluttershy as Dr. Horrible. And it's diabetes-inducing.
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 18, 2011, 07:22:29 pm
What rule was that? There was one of those 'rules' about it, said that Fluttershy was always adorable. Even when she had vermiform... things coming out of her eyes or was Zalgofied.
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 07:24:40 pm
Wow, that actually works kinda well.I know what you're talking about, that particular picture got posted at least 3 or 4 times in the old thread.
What rule was that? There was one of those 'rules' about it, said that Fluttershy was always adorable. Even when she had vermiform... things coming out of her eyes or was Zalgofied.
I should know, I've gone through the entire bloody thing.
I have no idea where to find the picture, though.
Post by: kaijyuu on November 18, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
Now, as a counter-measure against the horribleness that is TBP's stories, I'm gonna link this (http://ask-dr-adorable.tumblr.com/).*was about to link this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOAh6NL-Saw)*
It's Fluttershy as Dr. Horrible. And it's diabetes-inducing.
*realizes that blog's probably where it originated from*
Post by: MC Dirty on November 18, 2011, 07:29:45 pm
Looking at the dates, it's probably the other way around. The oldest Dr. Adorable post is only two weeks old, the video is older than a month.Now, as a counter-measure against the horribleness that is TBP's stories, I'm gonna link this (http://ask-dr-adorable.tumblr.com/).*was about to link this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOAh6NL-Saw)*
It's Fluttershy as Dr. Horrible. And it's diabetes-inducing.
*realizes that blog's probably where it originated from*
Post by: Toady One on November 18, 2011, 07:42:25 pm