Post by: Vector on December 20, 2013, 12:13:09 am
Iron Diadem
Deer Sygphred,
The kween is ded. Shee made a cownsell of "people of nobility and talent, to rule in my stead should I perish--to cement the stability and life of this great country" but sumthing is rong amung them & Norway is mooving in the North. They say it is becuz the Goddiss is angree. She wonts the land bak.
It haz bin 5 years. Wer r you? I no they wud be talking about this evrywer so I am wundring if u herd anything. I herd u wer werking in a tavurn but u disapeerd & I feer ur cuntry wil disapeer with u.
I cant stay heer much longer.
--HH
This is a BYOR Kingmaker with a flavor twist. The story continues from The Lonely Prince, but no prior knowledge of that game is necessary.
As this is a BYOR, you will be asked to PM a coat of arms to Webadict, Solifuge, and myself (Vector), from which your role will be constructed. This consists of colors and symbols that would appear as part of your role's family heraldry (see here (http://www.internationalheraldry.com/) for more information than you could possibly want), from which Webadict will create your actions. You don't need to make a picture--words are fine.
As this is a flavor-heavy game, you may also submit a short description of something you think would be cool for your character role. Furthermore, you may submit flavor night actions if you wish, interact with characters during the day, whatever. I will be using this information to craft a story. You are, of course, portraying one of the dead queen's council.
Things you may want to keep in mind: 1. You may not play as any character from one of my previous games, though your character's story will likely be woven in with theirs; 2. I am pretty flexible, but if it flat-out does not fit the tone (example: spacecraft), I will find some way make it fit the tone (myth-and-legendish early 1500s Denmark with a thing for Shakespeare--whatever your challenge is, I accept it :I); 3. The themes of this game are Faith, Fate, and Governance; 4. You can find previous games linked in my sig, if you're curious about what they were like.
There will be a lot of flavor. It's a BYOR! Bring what YOU want. It might just get tweaked a bit to fit the story :]
As Solifuge is a mensch, he will be making images of your coats of arms. These, along with your role name, will be publicly visible throughout the game. Please remember that character description and discussion of symbolism should be sent only to Webadict and myself.
As this is a Kingmaker, a single person will be selected as Kingmaker, who then selects someone to be King for a day. Only the King has a vote, and once it is cast, that person is executed. The king will be announced at the start of each day, and may or may not be on the side of town.
This game will be pretty complex. I will not accept any raw beginners, but folks with little experience may still be accepted upon review.
For those familiar with The Lonely Prince, you may be interested to hear that the Princess Amendment is not in place. However, I will still ask that you not be cruel to each other.
You are not in this game until all three people mentioned above--Vector, Webadict, and Solifuge--have received your role.
General rules:
1. The execution must be in red and bold, and in this format: Execute Playername. There is no unvoting--once cast, it is final. If you are not the king, do not post in red.
2. The day will last until an execution is decided, while Nights are at least 24 hours. The night time span does not includes weekend, though I may end weekend-spanning nights after 24 hours if all night actions are in.
3. Never edit your posts for any reason, including typos.
4. Do not PM other players. Players with private chat access will be given a topic on QuickTopic where they may post freely.
5. Never quote any PM from the mod. You may give a general summary (for example, a roleclaim), but do not quote directly.
6. Please put my name in bold if you would like to get my attention. This goes double for actions posted in a QuickTopic--I WILL IGNORE ANYTHING THAT IS NOT IN BOLD.
7. A deadline will only be enforced if I deem that the game is stalled. I will give a minimum of 36 hours notice if I enforce a deadline. If there is no decision by the deadline, the king will be executed.
8. Dead players may post one “bah post” to comment on their death, but it may not contain any relevant game information. After that, dead men tell no tales, so please do not post.
9. Please make an effort to post at least once daily. If you do not post for 36 hours without reason, you will be prodded. If I don’t hear from you within 24 more hours, you may be replaced (in particular: do not disappear if you are the king). If you think someone needs a prod, please bring it to my attention--I can’t guarantee I will notice everyone who is not posting.
10. There may be post restrictions. These should not interfere with gameplay.
11. I cannot answer questions about player's actions unless that player's actions are available to be seen. I cannot answer questions about your actions in-thread. I can, however, answer generic questions. I will simply ask you to rephrase the question, if I deem the question is bad.
12. However, a lot of information on flavor will be publicly available.
13. Short-term absences need to be stated before you become absent, or I will not be able to take them into account.
14. If you can no longer post, you may Request Replacement. If there is anyone in the replacement queue that person will replace you. If not, you will remain in the game until this happens.
15. Never underestimate your importance, have fun, and always play to win!
Game-specific rules:
The game will start on Night 0 with the thread locked. Only the Kingmaker may act Night 0, though the scum may start talking in their scum chat.
Spoiler: Webadict on Roles (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Webadict on Action Order (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Webadict on Alignments (click to show/hide)
My thanks to LNCP, Toaster, and Webadict, from whom I took most of the rules.
The Queen's Counsel [players]
Imp - Cille Edithsdatter
Persus13 - Gwenhwyfar
makeinu - Viggo Valentinsen
Cheeetar - Ansgar Danielsen
Caz - Vivianus of Austyn
Urist Imiknorris - Rød Grønsdatter
SuperBlackCat - Kisa Albertsdatter
Tiruin - Giovanna da Venezia
TolyK - Tadeusz Brzęczyszczykiewicz
Toaster - Maren Jørgensdatter
zombie urist - Louisa von Solenheim
Distant relatives [replacements]
RangerCado
TheWetSheep
Could be you!
Post by: Vector on December 20, 2013, 12:13:37 am
The Queen's Council
(http://i.imgur.com/KnZV3q7.png) (http://i.imgur.com/UWCs2FJ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/cS2zf2M.png)
Viggo Valentinsen Mark II of House Magnus Cille Edithsdatter
(http://i.imgur.com/PAF7C7r.png) (http://i.imgur.com/hEoCg5M.png) (http://i.imgur.com/2GcXcrf.png)
Ansgar Danielsen Vivianus of Austyn Louisa von Solenheim
(http://i.imgur.com/knCsLve.png) (http://i.imgur.com/5JzTOzE.png) (http://i.imgur.com/5CyhQto.png)
Rød Grønsdatter Tadeusz Maren Jørgensdatter
Brzęczyszczykiewicz
(http://i.imgur.com/4WKbx2Z.png) (http://i.imgur.com/dPiQTRw.png) (http://i.imgur.com/B25Z7Ok.png)
Giovanna da Venezia Kisa Albertsdatter Gwenhwyfar
And also....
The Old Goddess Death
Fortinbras, King of Norway
Various Servants to the Queen's Council
The Tale
Letter to Sigfred (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4849312#msg4849312)
Council of Thirteen (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4953796#msg4953796)
Rex Danorum (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4965358#msg4965358)
Future Writs From the Grave (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4980278#msg4980278)
Things Said Behind Bars (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4985823#msg4985823)
Post by: zombie urist on December 20, 2013, 12:40:07 am
I'll get a coat of arms in tomorrow.
Post by: Elephant Parade on December 20, 2013, 12:46:30 am
This looks interesting, but I doubt that one day of a BM is enough experience.
Post by: Tiruin on December 20, 2013, 02:05:30 am
This is like reading one of the HP books again. Very intriguing.
...
*checks title*
*Web and Vector and Solifuge*
...*coat of arms*
*faints*
Oh gods...give me a moment.
Post by: Imp on December 20, 2013, 02:13:03 am
In, because thing have to get better and I get free time again, right? Before the game starts, surely.
And because this seems like the sort of game that any player should come back from the dead for, even. Lets hope it doesn't take that :o.
If things are not better and I cannot actually commit to the game, I will relinquish my spot before it starts. But I happen to already -have- something of a coat of arms, thanks to a previous college class that required designing one... This game is meant to be for me, right? Better be.
Post by: Tiruin on December 20, 2013, 02:19:06 am
This space reserved!This makes me 100% happier to see you playing no matter what else is in between. And thanks for the PM.. :D
In, because thing have to get better and I get free time again, right? Before the game starts, surely.
I really hope you're doing better. *cheers*
Post by: Vector on December 20, 2013, 02:22:42 am
Post by: Tiruin on December 20, 2013, 02:45:55 am
It captivates me
The call of word and writing
Like infinite song
Also I like how you did that letter. x3
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As Solifuge is a mensch, he will be making images of your coats of arms. These, along with your role name, will be publicly visible throughout the game.
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The themes of this game are Faith, Fate, and Governance
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As this is a flavor-heavy game, you may also submit a short description of something you think would be cool for your character role. Furthermore, you may submit flavor night actions if you wish, interact with characters during the day, whatever. I will be using this information to craft a story. You are, of course, portraying one of the dead queen's council....Give me the weekend to furnish this out. If need be, I'll be the one to make my own coat of arms. Yay, my history lessons are used this time! :3
For Europe!
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2013, 07:22:13 am
Soli's only unlisted in the thread title because what he's doing doesn't preclude him from playing >_< Thanks, you guys. I'm really looking forward to running this shindig.So long as you ONLY PM him the herald, it's fine. If your herald is an image or a description, then you should PM him only that. Any information pertaining to your herald's meaning or your character's description should be handled only by Vector and me.
I believe this will allow Solifuge to play.
EDIT: If you do an MSPaint herald, thank you. Especially if you do them freehand. Where's Org when you need him?
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2013, 07:52:00 am
Posting to watch.My view is that you're free to play so long as you understand the commitment you make by joining. This game will take upwards of a month or longer. If you decide to replace out, it will effect your ability to join my games in the future.
This looks interesting, but I doubt that one day of a BM is enough experience.
Post by: Shakerag on December 20, 2013, 10:35:29 am
As this is a BYOR, you will be asked to PM a coat of arms to Webadict, Solifuge, and myself (Vector), from which your role will be constructed. This consists of colors and symbols that would appear as part of your role's family heraldry (see here (http://www.internationalheraldry.com/) for more information than you could possibly want), from which Webadict will create your actions. You don't need to make a picture--words are fine.Aww sweet, can I-
2. I am pretty flexible, but if it flat-out does not fit the tone (example: spacecraft), I will make it fit the tone (myth-and-legendish early 1500s Denmark with a thing for Shakespeare); 3. The themes of this game are Faith, Fate, and Governance;Oh. Nevermind. :(
Post by: Toaster on December 20, 2013, 10:43:49 am
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2013, 11:51:29 am
Psssst... Be clever about it. ;)As this is a BYOR, you will be asked to PM a coat of arms to Webadict, Solifuge, and myself (Vector), from which your role will be constructed. This consists of colors and symbols that would appear as part of your role's family heraldry (see here (http://www.internationalheraldry.com/) for more information than you could possibly want), from which Webadict will create your actions. You don't need to make a picture--words are fine.Aww sweet, can I-2. I am pretty flexible, but if it flat-out does not fit the tone (example: spacecraft), I will make it fit the tone (myth-and-legendish early 1500s Denmark with a thing for Shakespeare); 3. The themes of this game are Faith, Fate, and Governance;Oh. Nevermind. :(
Post by: zombie urist on December 20, 2013, 02:39:30 pm
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2013, 02:44:04 pm
What's the difference between the herald and role? Am I supposed to send webadict a character bio? Is the "meaning" of my herald supposed to be symbolic (e.g. love)?The herald is equivalent to the flag of your character. You send what you want. If you want a meaning, go ahead. If you want red racing flames, go ahead. Assuming it's "culturally relevant" enough.
Post by: Shakerag on December 20, 2013, 03:31:58 pm
Faith ... so would a priest and a couple of altar boys fly?Psssst... Be clever about it. ;)As this is a BYOR, you will be asked to PM a coat of arms to Webadict, Solifuge, and myself (Vector), from which your role will be constructed. This consists of colors and symbols that would appear as part of your role's family heraldry (see here (http://www.internationalheraldry.com/) for more information than you could possibly want), from which Webadict will create your actions. You don't need to make a picture--words are fine.Aww sweet, can I-2. I am pretty flexible, but if it flat-out does not fit the tone (example: spacecraft), I will make it fit the tone (myth-and-legendish early 1500s Denmark with a thing for Shakespeare); 3. The themes of this game are Faith, Fate, and Governance;Oh. Nevermind. :(
Post by: birdy51 on December 20, 2013, 04:11:40 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 20, 2013, 04:55:22 pm
Post by: Persus13 on December 20, 2013, 04:57:04 pm
Post by: RangerCado on December 20, 2013, 04:58:51 pm
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2013, 05:10:36 pm
Now you're thinking with pastors!Faith ... so would a priest and a couple of altar boys fly?Psssst... Be clever about it. ;)As this is a BYOR, you will be asked to PM a coat of arms to Webadict, Solifuge, and myself (Vector), from which your role will be constructed. This consists of colors and symbols that would appear as part of your role's family heraldry (see here (http://www.internationalheraldry.com/) for more information than you could possibly want), from which Webadict will create your actions. You don't need to make a picture--words are fine.Aww sweet, can I-2. I am pretty flexible, but if it flat-out does not fit the tone (example: spacecraft), I will make it fit the tone (myth-and-legendish early 1500s Denmark with a thing for Shakespeare); 3. The themes of this game are Faith, Fate, and Governance;Oh. Nevermind. :(
EDIT: Also, just remember that Vector can and WILL make adjustments to things. So, if you want to play dressdown with a bunch of little kids in your story, she'll make you pay for it.
Post by: zombie urist on December 20, 2013, 05:17:43 pm
Post by: webadict on December 20, 2013, 05:21:45 pm
out:(
IN. Not sure how good I'll be at this though. When do I send in the coat of arms?Whenever you want. Just send the coat of arms to Vector, me, and Solifuge.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 20, 2013, 06:32:38 pm
Post by: IronyOwl on December 20, 2013, 06:44:41 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on December 20, 2013, 09:49:56 pm
Post by: makeinu on December 20, 2013, 09:59:23 pm
I can handle starting another big one as one winds down.
Post by: Vector on December 20, 2013, 11:25:45 pm
I don't think they'll take "The winner of Iron Diadem" as your coat of arms.
Posting to watch. I like this concept a lot, and I expect great things after the last game!
Watching for now because I am lame and don't have the patience for more than one mafia game at a time.
This looks really cool. I'm not sure if I'm ready for another mafia game, but this is certainly making me think about it.
out
:<
Hope you guys consider joining... I'd love to have you.
2. I am pretty flexible, but if it flat-out does not fit the tone (example: spacecraft), I will make it fit the tone (myth-and-legendish early 1500s Denmark with a thing for Shakespeare); 3. The themes of this game are Faith, Fate, and Governance;Oh. Nevermind. :(
"Faith, Fate, and Governance" doesn't mean that you have to make your role carry that theme. It just means that that's what I'll be talking about, and what the underlying pieces of the game will be structured to bring out.
EDIT: Also, just remember that Vector can and WILL make adjustments to things. So, if you want to play dressdown with a bunch of little kids in your story, she'll make you pay for it.
Also, this.
Post by: Tiruin on December 21, 2013, 12:05:43 am
I second this notion. This more looks like a congregation of veterans and regulars alike.I don't think they'll take "The winner of Iron Diadem" as your coat of arms.Posting to watch. I like this concept a lot, and I expect great things after the last game!Watching for now because I am lame and don't have the patience for more than one mafia game at a time.This looks really cool. I'm not sure if I'm ready for another mafia game, but this is certainly making me think about it.out
:<
Hope you guys consider joining... I'd love to have you.
To the replacement queue for me.:O
You're back! :))
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on December 21, 2013, 12:19:44 am
Also, I might outright in if I can be bothered to create a coat-of-arms over Christmas.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 21, 2013, 12:24:59 am
People who need to send in heraldry
Cheeetar
I think I did send in a coat-of-arms, although I'm now uncertain of if I remembered to press the actual send button. Could you confirm if my thing was lacking, or if I literally didn't send anything in?
Post by: Vector on December 21, 2013, 12:34:21 am
Thanks, it's in :D
Post by: Cheeetar on December 21, 2013, 12:35:11 am
Post by: makeinu on December 21, 2013, 12:37:11 am
Not perfect, but it will generate the blazon for you while you WYSIWYG a coat of arms.
Post by: Tiruin on December 21, 2013, 02:59:47 am
Edit: Held up by Christmas stuffs. Will send at worst, ~26th.
Post by: Caz on December 24, 2013, 09:27:42 am
Post by: Vector on December 24, 2013, 12:50:58 pm
This looks... different. PTW.
Or you could come play like the rest of us chumps >:I
Post by: Caz on December 24, 2013, 01:54:50 pm
This looks... different. PTW.
Or you could come play like the rest of us chumps >:I
Do I have to make a heraldry... thing? I fear I don't understand the significance of it... or it's just for flavour?
Post by: Vector on December 24, 2013, 01:57:07 pm
Post by: Caz on December 24, 2013, 02:11:37 pm
You basically design a shield, and then your actions and flavor come from that :] That's the BYOR element. It's sort of like Magic Mafia in that regard.
Okay, I will try. In
Can I pm you the herald stuffs?
Post by: Vector on December 24, 2013, 02:12:30 pm
Post by: Superblackcat on December 24, 2013, 04:07:26 pm
Post by: Tiruin on December 25, 2013, 01:33:12 am
Post by: Vector on December 25, 2013, 01:33:44 am
HURMPH. Give me a sec, Tiruin.
How about this one (http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/primer/)? Or this one (http://www.fleurdelis.com/meanings.htm)?
Post by: Tiruin on December 25, 2013, 02:32:45 am
My link in the OP?Yep, that link. x3 It hates me for some reason. :(
HURMPH. Give me a sec, Tiruin.
Granted, the two you linked here work perfectly. (One second and its finished loading. :o I'm even surprised given my slow net.)
Thanks you. Will now finish later as I'll get my colors in shape. :>
Post by: Toaster on December 26, 2013, 09:00:24 pm
Post by: Vector on December 26, 2013, 09:04:29 pm
So, as long as it's not something like a specific rock band or whatever with a specific cultural context...
Post by: webadict on December 26, 2013, 09:25:31 pm
I mean, it's a herald, it can literally be anything, right?
Post by: Vector on December 26, 2013, 09:32:24 pm
I was only trying to say that you may not get exactly what you put in. I see those other sorts of entrants as a personal challenge :> So please, have fun and submit whatever you'd like.
Post by: webadict on December 26, 2013, 09:46:35 pm
Post by: Caz on December 27, 2013, 12:01:43 am
Post by: Tiruin on December 27, 2013, 12:28:27 am
To be honest... I've been praying someone would send in a robot or something like that. That's actually a possibility that's been planned for months ahead.I didn't guess robots would be in the list of 'things I can send Vector that jives with anything near Denmark of North Germany..or probably Sweden. :I'
So, as long as it's not something like a specific rock band or whatever with a specific cultural context...
But now I've an idea!
I would've sent in a web. A trapdoor spider web.Nu. :I
Post by: IronyOwl on December 27, 2013, 06:09:53 am
Oh this is giving me all sorts of ideas. :PI would've sent in a web. A trapdoor spider web.Nu. :I
Post by: webadict on December 27, 2013, 07:25:33 am
It's a BYOR! Bring what YOU want. It just might get tweaked a bit to fit the story.To be honest... I've been praying someone would send in a robot or something like that. That's actually a possibility that's been planned for months ahead.I didn't guess robots would be in the list of 'things I can send Vector that jives with anything near Denmark of North Germany..or probably Sweden. :I'
So, as long as it's not something like a specific rock band or whatever with a specific cultural context...
But now I've an idea!I would've sent in a web. A trapdoor spider web.Nu. :I
Also, where's that ASCII spider...?
Post by: Imp on December 27, 2013, 08:16:43 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But isn't the focus the web?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
ASCII from http://www.retrojunkie.com/asciiart/animals/spiders.htm
Post by: Vector on December 28, 2013, 01:43:32 am
Post by: makeinu on December 28, 2013, 02:32:49 am
Post by: zombie urist on December 28, 2013, 02:41:30 am
Someone submit this as a role.
Post by: Tiruin on December 28, 2013, 05:49:23 am
This is the coolest ASCII spider I've ever seen.I hat u guiz. :ISpoiler (click to show/hide)
But isn't the focus the web?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
ASCII from http://www.retrojunkie.com/asciiart/animals/spiders.htm
On a better note...emblem sent! >_<
And only a week late! Beat my record!
Post by: Toaster on December 28, 2013, 09:07:29 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 29, 2013, 07:12:52 pm
I can't be arsed to make a decent herald so I'm sending in a shitty one.
Post by: Caz on December 29, 2013, 07:43:23 pm
In I suppose.
Glorious.
Post by: makeinu on December 29, 2013, 07:46:24 pm
I can't be arsed to make a decent herald so I'm sending in a shitty one.
Shall I share the image that brings to mind? :o
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on December 29, 2013, 07:50:29 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 29, 2013, 08:06:59 pm
Post by: makeinu on December 29, 2013, 08:14:55 pm
It's... a thing. The Japanese. Very strange culture, in so many ways.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on December 29, 2013, 08:28:17 pm
Oh, by all means, let's see it.You'll see it when the game starts.
Post by: TolyK on December 31, 2013, 02:35:56 am
Edit: Send it to Vector and Wuba, right?
Edit 2: Done!
Post by: TolyK on December 31, 2013, 04:18:44 pm
Just kidding. Happy new year!
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2013, 04:48:31 pm
Post by: TolyK on December 31, 2013, 04:51:12 pm
Post by: Tiruin on December 31, 2013, 05:05:22 pm
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2013, 06:21:30 pm
Well, you folks just live far away. :POr, you're a time traveler.
Post by: TolyK on December 31, 2013, 07:04:48 pm
Nobody heard that, right? Right?
Post by: webadict on December 31, 2013, 07:06:07 pm
Well, you folks just live far away. :POr, you're a time traveler.
Post by: Vector on December 31, 2013, 08:58:58 pm
Post by: TolyK on December 31, 2013, 09:03:26 pm
Just kidding. Happy new year!
Post by: Toaster on December 31, 2013, 11:11:07 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 01, 2014, 01:52:45 am
I'm trying to come up with inspiration on this one.Wherein the emblem of the golden toast rises. :3
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 01, 2014, 02:20:40 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 01, 2014, 04:24:12 am
Vector, your profile text is wrong. Failure is always an option!That's only if you want to, that is.
Post by: webadict on January 01, 2014, 05:47:34 am
I'm trying to come up with inspiration on this one.A bald eagle grabbing a slice of toast, with an American flag wrapped around it, dressed like the statue of liberty, wearing a cowboy hat, with apple pie in the other claw, singing the national anthem and pitching a baseball.
Post by: TolyK on January 01, 2014, 07:51:46 am
Post by: Toaster on January 01, 2014, 09:23:46 am
I'm trying to come up with inspiration on this one.A bald eagle grabbing a slice of toast, with an American flag wrapped around it, dressed like the statue of liberty, wearing a cowboy hat, with apple pie in the other claw, singing the national anthem and pitching a baseball.
You have successfully inspired me!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 01, 2014, 02:31:15 pm
Or if you're a Mythbuster.Vector, your profile text is wrong. Failure is always an option!That's only if you want to, that is.
Post by: webadict on January 01, 2014, 02:41:16 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 01, 2014, 02:41:54 pm
Post by: zombie urist on January 01, 2014, 02:58:37 pm
Post by: Vector on January 01, 2014, 04:17:49 pm
Because this is a group collaboration, I'm expecting the full role baking to take about a week or so, and then we can get things... rolling.
Post by: TheWetSheep on January 04, 2014, 04:36:47 pm
Post by: TolyK on January 06, 2014, 02:32:02 pm
Post by: Caz on January 06, 2014, 06:31:27 pm
Post by: Imp on January 06, 2014, 07:51:31 pm
Post by: Vector on January 06, 2014, 09:06:54 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 06, 2014, 09:13:08 pm
Post by: Persus13 on January 06, 2014, 09:35:43 pm
It's coming along--don't worry! I'm hoping for a weekend open, so I'll have plenty of time to write up everyone's stories :]That's fine, I think I over booked myself with Mafia participation.
Post by: Caz on January 06, 2014, 10:08:22 pm
It's coming along--don't worry! I'm hoping for a weekend open, so I'll have plenty of time to write up everyone's stories :]That's fine, I think I over booked myself with Mafia participation.
Same here. Lynch me in Limerick Mafia please. :P
Post by: Tiruin on January 06, 2014, 10:11:44 pm
It's coming along--don't worry! I'm hoping for a weekend open, so I'll have plenty of time to write up everyone's stories :]Take yer time ^ ^
Let the tension kill the unworthy. For Denmark! :|
Stories! Stories! Oh I do adore stories.
Really now? >:I Fixin'It's coming along--don't worry! I'm hoping for a weekend open, so I'll have plenty of time to write up everyone's stories :]That's fine, I think I over booked myself with Mafia participation.
Same here. Lynch me in Limerick Mafia please. :'(
Post by: TolyK on January 12, 2014, 12:21:12 pm
(quickedit: I'll be really busy the 14th-15th, so I'm not really in a hurry, but an ETA would still be nice).
Post by: Vector on January 12, 2014, 02:31:11 pm
We have an eta here? :P
(quickedit: I'll be really busy the 14th-15th, so I'm not really in a hurry, but an ETA would still be nice).
This was expected to open today, but I'm not sure I'll be able to finish my bit tonight--because I'm sick. For now I'm still waiting for a little bit more from Webadict and Solifuge, too, so it may have to open on the 13th or 14th.
Post by: makeinu on January 12, 2014, 02:34:42 pm
Post by: Caz on January 12, 2014, 03:53:02 pm
This was expected to open today, but I'm not sure I'll be able to finish my bit tonight--because I'm sick. For now I'm still waiting for a little bit more from Webadict and Solifuge, too, so it may have to open on the 13th or 14th.
Get well soon!
Post by: Tiruin on January 12, 2014, 09:01:45 pm
Post by: TolyK on January 13, 2014, 02:13:21 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 13, 2014, 02:28:55 am
Post by: Vector on January 13, 2014, 10:36:35 am
Post by: TolyK on January 13, 2014, 10:38:48 am
>.>
Post by: Vector on January 13, 2014, 08:45:05 pm
Hint: Use Excel and generate pre-made templates.
>.>
... No? I have slightly more respect for stories than that.
Post by: Imp on January 13, 2014, 09:06:26 pm
Hint: Use Excel and generate pre-made templates.
>.>
... No? I have slightly more respect for stories than that.
I could see Vector writing an awesome story about Excel and generated pre-made templates though!
Post by: Cheeetar on January 13, 2014, 09:09:41 pm
Post by: TolyK on January 14, 2014, 10:02:57 am
thatsthejoke.gifHint: Use Excel and generate pre-made templates.
>.>
... No? I have slightly more respect for stories than that.
Post by: Vector on January 14, 2014, 12:51:55 pm
I lost my job yesterday too, LOL, so there will be lots of time to write :3
Post by: Tiruin on January 14, 2014, 07:05:21 pm
C'mooon, Web! >:I Go Web, go!
Post by: Vector on January 14, 2014, 07:10:03 pm
Was it that thing in the job Vec? If so, then I wish you a brighter destination on that path there! :D
Wh-what thing in the job? They laid me off because they didn't have enough work for me >_> <_<
Post by: Tiruin on January 14, 2014, 07:14:21 pm
Oh..I thought there was stuffs happening there and it was...stressful. D: Sad thread stuff and all..
Either way, God Speed with the work. We can wait until February (and even then) for this. :))
Post by: webadict on January 15, 2014, 04:34:13 pm
Okay. Well... still waiting on Wubba. Think we're almost ready.Don't wait for me, the roles are pretty much set. Just one needs changing.
I lost my job yesterday too, LOL, so there will be lots of time to write :3
Post by: zombie urist on January 16, 2014, 02:46:14 am
Post by: Imp on January 16, 2014, 06:04:35 am
... err, reporting to try my best. I really do want to play! But for me, getting well time/finishing roles time/being patient time is actually quite, quite alright right now.
Post by: webadict on January 16, 2014, 04:25:03 pm
I literally can't wait much longer. :-\ school is startingDun worry, brah, yer like op 'n' stuff, dun quit yet
Post by: Caz on January 17, 2014, 01:20:25 am
Post by: webadict on January 17, 2014, 02:02:13 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 19, 2014, 03:49:05 pm
Post by: Vector on January 19, 2014, 10:17:56 pm
Any ETA on D1/N0/whatever?
Role mechanics: done!
Basic character concepts: done!
Basic planning for opening scenes: done!
Character shields: soon! We're rolling out a big Victory Garden Games update, so Soli's pretty busy with that.
Role PM writing: I'm about to start!
I'm sorry this has taken so long. Like... sincerely. It's coming, though, guys. Thanks for your faith.
Post by: makeinu on January 19, 2014, 10:35:18 pm
I just wanna see what y'all come up with. :D
Post by: Tiruin on January 20, 2014, 12:23:44 am
If it helps, I have a shield made already...Nyarhah! And here I thought I was the only one, now I can disclose that information freely! :D
I just wanna see what y'all come up with. :D
I'm sorry this has taken so long. Like... sincerely. It's coming, though, guys. Thanks for your faith.If I had more time, I'd be doing fanart. >:I
Rawr!
Post by: Cheeetar on January 20, 2014, 12:36:46 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 20, 2014, 12:43:15 am
I, too, made my own little fan-shield. I'm pleased to hear I wasn't the only person excited enough about this to do that.Would it be silly that I submitted said fan-shield instead of giving an idea and letting existentialism be the explaining factor?
I think it'd be, but you'll never know my shield! MWAHAHA
Post by: Cheeetar on January 20, 2014, 12:47:20 am
Would it be silly that I submitted said fan-shield instead of giving an idea and letting existentialism be the explaining factor?
I think it'd be, but you'll never know my shield! MWAHAHA
I would find that silly... if I hadn't done the exact same thing :o
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 20, 2014, 12:48:33 am
As Solifuge is a mensch, he will be making images of your coats of arms. These, along with your role name, will be publicly visible throughout the game.
Post by: Tiruin on January 20, 2014, 12:54:08 am
xDWould it be silly that I submitted said fan-shield instead of giving an idea and letting existentialism be the explaining factor?
I think it'd be, but you'll never know my shield! MWAHAHA
I would find that silly... if I hadn't done the exact same thing :o
Oh dear me.
Post by: Imp on January 20, 2014, 12:56:13 am
We'll know your shields.As Solifuge is a mensch, he will be making images of your coats of arms. These, along with your role name, will be publicly visible throughout the game.
Mebby. Mebby not.
What if most of us actually chose to offer our own artwork?
What if that artwork is, for the most part, accepted?
Do you think from that wild hodge-podge, most of us could pick out Soli's work from that of the many varied hands of the rest of us?
Post by: Tiruin on January 20, 2014, 12:58:56 am
Wherein Imp predicts my thoughts and does it in the most concise way, ever, again. :I
I really doubt anyone can pick out mine though.
Post by: zombie urist on January 20, 2014, 01:08:24 am
Post by: Vector on January 20, 2014, 01:10:40 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 20, 2014, 01:26:47 am
Ignore my cheeriness..I think, if its bad..somehow...I'm just happy when playing in Vector-themed games. x3
I am willing to create my own artwork if it means the game will start earlier.Y'knooow, given your last artwork in ToonyMan's love-themed mafia, why don't you just do it for fun and fanart? :D
Envy~~ D:<
Post by: Vector on January 20, 2014, 01:34:28 am
Post by: Imp on January 20, 2014, 02:09:22 am
Wherein Imp predicts my thoughts and does it in the most concise way, ever, again. :I
Imp... most concise way... again...
*coughs* Since when is Imp ever concise? Let alone more than once? *hides*
Post by: Caz on January 20, 2014, 03:07:29 am
Post by: zombie urist on January 23, 2014, 02:45:40 pm
Post by: webadict on January 23, 2014, 03:17:54 pm
I'll be really sad if this game starts after Smstr W / Love.Smstr had the roles made before the game was posted.
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2014, 05:49:51 pm
You ccan do it, ZU!I'll be really sad if this game starts after Smstr W / Love.Smstr had the roles made before the game was posted.
Post by: zombie urist on January 23, 2014, 06:53:38 pm
I know but even so we're past the expected start time. :'(I'll be really sad if this game starts after Smstr W / Love.Smstr had the roles made before the game was posted.
shhh shhh I've gotten in contact with everyone and we should be good to open by end of day tomorrow
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2014, 07:00:10 pm
Those stuffs also stress the creators..y'know.
..
Hmm. Vector: Given that the roles are finished (Web said so, I think?), why not set a Night Zero (...48/72 hours?), then send all roles out-but prohibit posting in thread so people will get to know who they are; if the emblems are not yet finished, then poke at it in game, in between lines.
Dish ish still going to be amazing! :D
Post by: Vector on January 23, 2014, 07:54:45 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 23, 2014, 08:14:00 pm
Told you so. :P :3
((sort of an inside joke?))
Anyway: Yay! Go, go, writing prowess.
Post by: Vector on January 25, 2014, 05:03:11 pm
it will be done before i go to sleep tonight. i have 9 roles left, and i can fairly comfortably say that they are sure as fuck not going to take 12 hours.
Post by: Vector on January 25, 2014, 07:45:21 pm
More soon....
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 07:47:54 pm
o_o
._.
dem sigils. So awesome. My eyes just squee'd. >_<
I like my name. x3
...I wonder if people weren't known-what'd that entail? *looks at Webadict*
...
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Fortinbras, King of NorwayEep. :x
Post by: Persus13 on January 25, 2014, 08:06:06 pm
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 08:08:32 pm
O_OWhy am I being looked at? Stop looking at me!
o_o
._.
dem sigils. So awesome. My eyes just squee'd. >_<
I like my name. x3
...I wonder if people weren't known-what'd that entail? *looks at Webadict*
...QuoteFortinbras, King of NorwayEep. :x
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 25, 2014, 11:27:25 pm
Post by: makeinu on January 25, 2014, 11:37:11 pm
Post by: webadict on January 25, 2014, 11:38:28 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 25, 2014, 11:38:44 pm
I submitted an emblazon. *nods*^ +1
Also Vector needs hugs. So *more hugs*
Edit: Alsoalso I believe Solifuge improved it by 120%, whereas mine started at 20% :D
Nice one soli!
...
Note ahead: I may be sorta linking musical notes in-game. >_>
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2014, 12:28:28 am
Trying to relax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwcG3mYo5Kk).
Post by: zombie urist on January 26, 2014, 01:33:42 am
Post by: makeinu on January 26, 2014, 01:40:50 am
加油 Vector。 :)
????
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 26, 2014, 02:24:08 am
Post by: TolyK on January 26, 2014, 02:29:09 am
I like the remake of mine quite a bit. Props to you guys!
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2014, 02:33:46 am
Yeah I'm too lazy (and tired) to translate it. Non-literally.
...I never learned mandarin enough. >_<
He's actually saying work harder Vector, but is being silly-funny because of the smiley and no you can't read this! :D
Or, seriously saying 'keep it up' at her.
Yeah. Mandarin. :X
Post by: TolyK on January 26, 2014, 02:40:44 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, apparently I was wrong.
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2014, 03:44:04 am
Note ahead: I may be sorta linking musical notes in-game. >_>
Hm :?
Just three more, you guys. I think I'm finally getting my second wind. Shouldn't be long now.
Post by: Cheeetar on January 26, 2014, 06:57:21 am
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2014, 07:16:56 am
This is why she was Queen.
As for the twelve who remained, they sat at the table with aching backs, uncertain of their talents and only pretending to read the vast quantity of legal documents which all of them had to commit to their memories. Their eyes burned in the smoking candlelight, and though most of them had adored the Queen, without her presence they could no longer feel the mass of the country in the room. Thousands of hungry mouths to feed, Norway in the North, the elaborate state funeral to pay for, the autumn closing and winter colding the land, the assassination to investigate, her old things still in her room, her sayings, her wishes, her memory...
She would have made a speech, rallied them, spun them into a mass until they could, to a person, feel a plaintiff's bitter urgency as though it were their own. But they were not one--they were twelve, and without her queer shyness that so often gave way to fervent words, flashing eyes, an iron solidity they were, for a time, lost.
Tomorrow, as she had decreed, one of them would be made sole ruler of all Denmark. The other eleven would form their council for that day. And it made a certain sort of satisfying sense--it was sure to keep the country together--well, it was comfortable, at least. There would be executions until the traitors were found. The council would advise and bicker while allowing responsibility to fall to the regent. But for this evening, they were equal and uncomfortable. A young manservant, clad in black, bore the brunt of their discomfort as they sent him, again and again, to the kitchen for dessert and meat and wine. They wondered, on occasion, what he thought of them. He had known Prince Sigfred and their queen both, and would observe the council's rule. So they sent him away as frequently as they could, and he returned, time and time again, with an obedient smile on his youthful face and whatever they had requested.
In truth, the young man was distracted by something he occasionally saw out of the corner of his eye--a tall veiled woman, all in gray, who upon further investigation never seemed to be there. He, largely innocent and entirely unlettered, lived in awe of these twelve with their brightly colored clothing and sharp, wolfish eyes--he would have asked them if they saw her, too, but had too much respect for their paper-shuffling to do so.
So he, too, ignored his born duties and did what came naturally that evening, as the candles guttered and all assembled burned time. Tomorrow there would be a regent once more--but for now it was the Queen's death who still held dominion.
During Night Zero the Kingmaker will choose the next Regent. All parties may send in flavor actions in bold, but your role powers may not yet be employed. Anyone with a chat may use it.
Also: Please note that some of you have more or less story than others. The best way to get more, if you want it, is to develop your character throughout the game so that I've got more to work with! Also for me to have more sleep. Rest assured that I have lots of things planned for all of you, more than is readily apparent. Have a ball. This is just the beginning...
Night Zero will last until 7:00 PM on Monday January 27th, (-8GMT).
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2014, 10:59:27 pm
Some people have sent in flavor actions. This is awesome! I will start writing those and sending those first, so if folks want to send in a flavor action, there's still time for that.
Take care, everyone...
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2014, 04:51:26 pm
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2014, 09:43:44 pm
This is a friendly reminder that anything that's public knowledge about you will be accessible to everyone. Another friendly reminder is that flavor is for fun and that if you try to use it to break the game, I will find increasingly inventive ways to deter you.
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2014, 02:13:35 am
IT'S ALMOST HERE GUYS JUST WAIT A LITTLE BIT LONGER
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2014, 03:37:47 am
It is just when you have settled yourself comfortably that he says:
"All rise for the King of Denmark!"
Grumbling, you stand to attention. This was not necessary in the Queen's years, and it is strange to see one of your number so suddenly and conspicuously elevated. Lord Magistrate Ansgar Danielsen sweeps down the stairs, dressed in ermine, crowned in iron. He holds his head high despite his years, even if his shoulders are stiff and a scar wends its from his cheekbone into his short white beard. It is known to all, if only by rumor, that the man survived five assassination attempts in his time on the bench. He shakes off the steward's proffered arm and slowly, almost creaking, lowers himself into the throne he occupies as though he were born to it.
"Parchment and quill, boy," he says to the steward, who is graying at the temples.
"Immediately, sire."
In that moment you can feel the Queen's memory rushing away. Her words, wise and otherwise; her image. Here resides the highest authority in the land.
"Be seated," says Ansgar, giving each of you a piercing look. "Court is now in session."
Day will end once King Cheeetar has chosen who is to be executed by voting in red and writing Execute [Player].
Long live the King!
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2014, 04:05:57 am
12. However, a lot of information on flavor will be publicly available.
I would like, briefly, to remind everyone about this rule before we get started.
If the other characters would know something about you, then it will be accessible to the player. The game has been designed with this in mind. One more time: the flavor is here for fun. The flavor is here for fun. The flavor is here for fun. I will spend a lot of time on the flavor, but the flavor is here for fun.
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 30, 2014, 04:21:29 am
Also, how much time will there be from when you've made your decision about whom to execute and when you execute them?
Toaster, if you were Kingmaker who would you have picked?
Also, is your herald what I think it is?
Imp, could you give me a long-winded reply to a simple question? Thanks.
Also, in the most recent Paranormal, how much of you complaining about Toaster's and myself's joking around was bluster and how much of it was legitimate complaint?
One more time: the flavor is here for fun. The flavor is here for fun. The flavor is here for fun. I will spend a lot of time on the flavor, but the flavor is here for fun.
So this is just a regular old mafia game and we don't have to look over the flavor for clues and riddles?
Tiruin, on a scale from one to Shakespearean tragedy, how sad are you that there's no purpose to flavor besides fun?
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2014, 04:29:57 am
So this is just a regular old mafia game and we don't have to look over the flavor for clues and riddles?
This is correct.
I'll add that the game will probably be more amusing the more terrible poetry I get to write, as a rule, and that I have created lots of mysteries for you to enjoy, but this time mechanics and flavor are separated. You may not want to give away all the details of your role--and indeed, most of your characters have some variety of personal secret--but anything that would be public knowledge like physical appearance, character name, etc. is fair game.
And that's all I'll say on that.
Post by: Caz on January 30, 2014, 04:34:07 am
Has breakfast arrived yet? If we are going to find this traitor, it should be on a full stomach. Hunger clouds the mind.
Pass the almonds.
TolyK: Don't remember playing with you yet. How would you describe your play style?
Persus13: How does your strategy in a Kingmaker game differ from normal mafia?
Urist Imiknorris: How are you going to convince the King to execute your enemies?
Post by: Imp on January 30, 2014, 04:51:13 am
King Cheeetar, Superblackcat, TolyK, Toaster and Caz: Looking at the appearance of the various shields, which one do you like the most, which the least? Why?
Superblackcat: What is your gift?
Tiruin: How important is color to you? To your character?
zombie urist: Your heraldry seems to speak of life, green growing things, and peace. Why did you select the symbols you did?
Persus13: Were you Kingmaker N0, what criteria would you have used to pick the King?
Jim:
Imp, could you give me a long-winded reply to a simple question? Thanks.Probably.
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Also, in the most recent Paranormal, how much of you complaining about Toaster's and myself's joking around was bluster and how much of it was legitimate complaint?Legitimate confusion/concern. Not to the level of complaint (who to complain to, even?). I knew it didn't mean 'Scum'. I don't understand it. Oh well, maybe I figure it out someday.
How green am I to your eyes, compared to makeinu?
Vector
anything that would be public knowledge like physical appearance, character name, etc. is fair game.
Do we have to ask for these details, will they be provided individually as is appropriate, or is there a link to where common knowledge is posted for us all to peruse?
Post by: Caz on January 30, 2014, 05:01:01 am
King Cheeetar, Superblackcat, TolyK, Toaster and Caz: Looking at the appearance of the various shields, which one do you like the most, which the least? Why?
They're all pretty sweet. I'd say Ansgar Danielsen's (Cheeetar) is my favourite, though it's a bit busy. The garlic on yours made me laugh. Is that to keep away the vampires?
Gwenhwyfar's (Persus13) is interesting. I think she's going to have to change it though - Our Queen is dead and there are surely more to follow.
Post by: Imp on January 30, 2014, 05:11:25 am
The garlic on yours made me laugh. Is that to keep away the vampires?
They're all pretty sweet. I'd say Ansgar Danielsen's (Cheeetar) is my favourite, though it's a bit busy.
What helps you pick that one to say is your favorite?
Gwenhwyfar's (Persus13) is interesting. I think she's going to have to change it though - Our Queen is dead and there are surely more to follow.
Understanding that you like them all, did you add this comment to indicate that you like Persus13's the least, because it needs changing? Or do you have a different answer to the one(s) you like less than the ones you like the most?
When I look at Persus's coat of arms, I see 10 golden crowns on a blue field. Why does this symbology specifically indicate our Queen to you?
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2014, 05:17:30 am
Do we have to ask for these details, will they be provided individually as is appropriate, or is there a link to where common knowledge is posted for us all to peruse?
The way this works is that generally I mete out information as the game goes along to push the various plots. People ask me questions publicly or privately when they feel like it. If it's a public question about flavor and is answerable without ruining the game, it will be answered publicly. There is a collection of links in the post here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4849313#msg4849313) to all of the public moderator flavor. On an average day I am usually willing to write a big-ass public moderator post, though sometimes I'll wait a day or two if I'm just not feeling it. If you're interested in backstory--the details, and not just "what does my character know," to which I am more than willing to give a broad answer--then you might enjoy reading Ex Cathedra and The Lonely Prince, which are both linked in my sig.
Private questions will be answered privately by default, though if I suspect something will be a common question then usually I'll try to work it into a public post somehow. Asking private questions about your flavor makes my job writing night PMs easier. Asking private questions about the setting flavor makes me cheerful! Asking public questions about the setting flavor makes me ecstatic as long as it's in moderation, because it's damn hard to tell a story when you only get two mandatory posts per day! Asking private questions about other people's flavor because you want to get an edge on them will make me terrifically grumpy. This is not a good idea, because grumpy mod processes nights more slowly. Happy mod is a faster writer.
In general, questions will be answered at my discretion. Sometimes it's just not the time to answer something, especially if I'm answering a lot of PMs or have something I'd rather be doing. Priority will be given to disasters (which I will not enumerate here, because I do not want to give anyone any ideas), and after that it's in terms of whatever I find interesting or sets the scene.
Post by: Imp on January 30, 2014, 05:29:36 am
The garlic on yours made me laugh. Is that to keep away the vampires?
Oh no. Vampires are probably not a concern to me. Are they to you?
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 05:43:53 am
DESPERATE LAMAZE NOISES*gives hugs*
IT'S ALMOST HERE GUYS JUST WAIT A LITTLE BIT LONGER
No stress? :D
Or..
Fun stress? :D
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"Court is now in session."...I've been reading too much history to not picture this in a deep, ominous tone.
SuperBlackCat: Hello there luckycat. I am curious-could you give your experience with forum mafia in general, and how this may affect your play in Kingmaker? I do note an aggressive streak at times-what's the purpose of that?
Imp: Halloo, you! Hope stuffs haven't been that hard. :)
Anywhoo, would there be any changes towards how you'd play the game as scum-if the mechanics are shifted? Would there be any difference if Town?
TolyK: Will you really post more? As in, more, this time? :I Also I'd like to see your input: how do you differ a town-scummy tell from a scum-tell?
Jim:
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Tiruin, on a scale from one to Shakespearean tragedy, how sad are you that there's no purpose to flavor besides fun?This made me sadder than Hamlet. And by that, I mean BRING IT ON, FORTINBRAS. DENMARK WILL RULE THESE STRAITS. GET YOUR OWN LAWN.
And by that I mean it made me so sad I'm happy. Because:
1. Look what I did last The Lonely Prince. :(
2. Look at #1. :(
So I'm all happy its flavor.
Why do you ask?
PPE: Hnng, hi you all.
Imp
Tiruin: How important is color to you? To your character?Very important actually. I have some sorta...affinity for colors that they intrigue me more than an abstract object-not that I live in a rainbow room anyways, its just that colors like the arts and musics have a...special preference in me. As for my character, she's a bit color blind but she likes color a lot, too.
Why do you ask?
King Cheetar: Hail to the Regency Council representative! Given that your word is yours and yours alone, the defining point of the day, how would you go about your matters in justifying who to vote for? How would you view scummy-tells as a generality?
Caz
...I don't see names attached to the shields in the second post. Where're you guys seeing this?King Cheeetar, Superblackcat, TolyK, Toaster and Caz: Looking at the appearance of the various shields, which one do you like the most, which the least? Why?
They're all pretty sweet. I'd say Ansgar Danielsen's (Cheeetar) is my favourite, though it's a bit busy. The garlic on yours made me laugh. Is that to keep away the vampires?
Vector
[...]then you might enjoy reading Ex Cathedra and The Lonely Prince, which are both linked in my sig.I've never heard of this and o_o
Yay something more to read and reread!
Asking private questions about other people's flavor because you want to get an edge on them will make me terrifically grumpy. This is not a good idea, because grumpy mod processes nights more slowly. Happy mod is a faster writer.*Tiruin shoves all the happies at Vector while trying to create a Machiavellian plan to do something and stuff~
Anyway, loved what you wrote. :)
Post by: Caz on January 30, 2014, 05:56:45 am
What helps you pick that one to say is your favorite?
It looks good?
Understanding that you like them all, did you add this comment to indicate that you like Persus13's the least, because it needs changing? Or do you have a different answer to the one(s) you like less than the ones you like the most?
Ah, no, I like it. Hard to say which one I like the least. Maybe one of the very busy ones like Mark II and Louisa's, though they've got a certain charm.
When I look at Persus's coat of arms, I see 10 golden crowns on a blue field. Why does this symbology specifically indicate our Queen to you?
Lrn2count :( There's 13 - which I presume symbolised our queen and the twelve council members. The Queen is dead, and a bunch of us will follow, so the shield is out of date.
Tiruin: Not sure how you're missing the names - they're right under each shield.
Post by: Caz on January 30, 2014, 05:59:38 am
Whups, meant to answer this, not just quote it.The garlic on yours made me laugh. Is that to keep away the vampires?
Oh no. Vampires are probably not a concern to me. Are they to you?
They're a concern to every red-blooded servant of the crown. Are you saying you're in league with the vampires? Are you trying to turn these lands to darkness?
Post by: Imp on January 30, 2014, 06:13:03 am
I didn't read the rules that closely before I started - I fixated on Vector-game, shield-we-get-to-design, and the similarities in what we bring to the game and the sort of character we might be given to play (kinda like BYOR). I didn't realize we had a kingmaker mechanic until night 0 started. I just now realized that the shields were posted for everyone to see. Not sure if that's what you mean by 'if the mechanics are shifted'.
I haven't given any thought to how I would play this game if Scum. I've just barely given any thought to how the Kingmaker mechanic is going to affect how everyone plays, it wasn't until I read Jim's question to King Cheeetar that I actually 'clicked' that 'oh boy, there's 1 player going to call the lynch today'.
Life stuff's hard and awesome and disappointing and requiring persistence... and getting better and getting worse and life simply swirls these days.
ImpTiruin: How important is color to you? To your character?Very important actually. I have some sorta...affinity for colors that they intrigue me more than an abstract object-not that I live in a rainbow room anyways, its just that colors like the arts and musics have a...special preference in me. As for my character, she's a bit color blind but she likes color a lot, too.
Why do you ask?
It seemed like exactly the right question to ask you. Colorwise, your shield is the most atypical of the 'set' of all of our shields. Yours is not the only one to possess a color that no other shield has, but there's a hue-quality to yours which is strikingly different from the others, at least to my eyes. What's the significance of your heraldry's background color?
Caz:
When I look at Persus's coat of arms, I see 10 golden crowns on a blue field. Why does this symbology specifically indicate our Queen to you?
Lrn2count :( There's 13 - which I presume symbolised our queen and the twelve council members. The Queen is dead, and a bunch of us will follow, so the shield is out of date.
Lrn2count? Oh, hey! You're right, thank you. I'll try. That does make sense. Oddly, I did count, and when I counted, I saw only 10, and one of those 10, the one at the bottom, it was the brightest of all to my eyes. But I see it now as you described it.
... You say that a coat of arms must be current, or it must be changed? The past is dead, forget the past, destroy the past? You would have our queen, even that we 12 have served her, pushed out of sight and mind now that she is dead and because some of us will surely die?
Oh no. Vampires are probably not a concern to me. Are they to you?They're a concern to every red-blooded servant of the crown. Are you saying you're in league with the vampires? Are you trying to turn these lands to darkness?
*A peering look, a vague distance in her intent eyes* No, I am saying that I do not... did not... know that vampires existed. You say that they do? How do you know this?
Turn the lands to darkness? Never, for these lands are not dark, not dark alone. These lands are dark and light and bright and dim, they are all the things they are and that is what I would have them be, what they are, as true and pure and whole as they are, what they are in their complete wholeness. What have you against darkness? Our queen favored black and she favored it strongly, it was her choice amongst all the other choices she could pick. She loved black so dark it was if she were blind when she saw it. Who are you, who had been in the service of our Queen, to connect darkness, which our Queen so loved, with vampires or any evil?
Post by: Cheeetar on January 30, 2014, 06:36:01 am
As I am to be King, for now at least, I should introduce myself more thoroughly to those who have forgotten me. I strongly suggest that you introduce yourselves as well- although rest assured that I do remember who you are. I am Ansgar Danielsen, Lord Magistrate of the South, and before the unfortunate departure of our Queen I was perhaps to be considered the second most powerful person in the land. Given my current status, I should be considered the most powerful by all here gathered.
King Cheeetar, I see that on your herald you have a horse on a stick, a coat hanger suspending two bird cages, some sort of weird eagle-lion hybrid, and your last name clearly comes from the Karate Kid. What is the significance of all of these?
Also, how much time will there be from when you've made your decision about whom to execute and when you execute them?
My coat of arms is a very storied and distinguished one. The 'horse on a stick' you see is a Nithing Pole. It is used to denote a curse on my enemies. The scales of justice are befitting my role as Lord Magistrate, given the judgements I have had to make. The animal on my coat of arms is as it is- I have no special commentary on the grand beast, other than it befits my character.
Poking fun at my name, which is surely a subject of great joy to you, has no part in this court.
There will be no time between me making a decision to execute somebody and them being executed. Judgement shall be swift to all traitors. I will, however, let all those I suspect present a case as to their innocence.
King Cheeetar, Superblackcat, TolyK, Toaster and Caz: Looking at the appearance of the various shields, which one do you like the most, which the least? Why?
I am incredibly taken with the artist's depiction of my own coat of arms. Of the other coat of arms- that of Gwenhwyfar seems uncomfortable given the circumstances of our gathering.
King Cheetar: Hail to the Regency Council representative! Given that your word is yours and yours alone, the defining point of the day, how would you go about your matters in justifying who to vote for? How would you view scummy-tells as a generality?
I would hope the accuracy of my verdict would be its own justification, but I will of course attempt to explain my reasoning to all esteemed (and otherwise) peoples gathered.
Everyone: Introducing yourself, even in the most basic of terms, should be treated merely a formality. A formality that I shall have to enforce. If you do not for some reason wish your identity to be known, well, that is how a traitor would behave.
Post by: Cheeetar on January 30, 2014, 06:43:18 am
King Cheetar: How would you view scummy-tells as a generality?
Forgot to address this- I would view them as reasons to pressure and interrogate a potential traitor. Should their suspiciousness escalate further still upon questioning, they will be a prime candidate for execution.
Post by: Caz on January 30, 2014, 06:56:15 am
... You say that a coat of arms must be current, or it must be changed? The past is dead, forget the past, destroy the past? You would have our queen, even that we 12 have served her, pushed out of sight and mind now that she is dead and because some of us will surely die?
I'm saying it stood out because it's the only shield with a clear meaning so far. The others, I don't know. The garlic? Why with the garlic?! It's good with cheese, yes, but on a shield?
*A peering look, a vague distance in her intent eyes* No, I am saying that I do not... did not... know that vampires existed. You say that they do? How do you know this?
Turn the lands to darkness? Never, for these lands are not dark, not dark alone. These lands are dark and light and bright and dim, they are all the things they are and that is what I would have them be, what they are, as true and pure and whole as they are, what they are in their complete wholeness. What have you against darkness? Our queen favored black and she favored it strongly, it was her choice amongst all the other choices she could pick. She loved black so dark it was if she were blind when she saw it. Who are you, who had been in the service of our Queen, to connect darkness, which our Queen so loved, with vampires or any evil?
I wouldn't doubt, not with such unholy forces rising in the lands, and now even our great regent has gone. If the Queen had an affinity for darkness, it was only to hold it back, and now she is dead I fear a spectral hand is gripping over the realm. Who are you to put aside such concerns so freely? Do you care nothing for the realm?
Post by: Imp on January 30, 2014, 07:00:14 am
Everyone: Introducing yourself, even in the most basic of terms, should be treated merely a formality. A formality that I shall have to enforce. If you do not for some reason wish your identity to be known, well, that is how a traitor would behave.
Yes, though we have all known each other for years, circumstances do make this as if a first meeting. I am Cille Edithsdatter, I have served this Court since shortly after our Queen's coronation, and as all who can see can see, I can barely move around without use of my crutches and I must work hard to make sense of the shapes I see.
I cannot move fast through the world, but I can move slowly. I cannot see what many say they see, but I do see what I do see. I have studied color, for color is what I can see best, and that is the service I brought to this Court. Many of the court, including some of you, wear clothing colored by the bright and fast dyes I found ways to improve; Many of this court's tapestries and, if I am not mistaken, some of your standards show those rich and varied colors I know so well, but my main work has been in the scriptorium, perfecting the inks and gilt which illustrate and complete the books of hours and other illuminated texts.
Post by: Caz on January 30, 2014, 07:00:32 am
As I am to be King, for now at least, I should introduce myself more thoroughly to those who have forgotten me. I strongly suggest that you introduce yourselves as well- although rest assured that I do remember who you are. I am Ansgar Danielsen, Lord Magistrate of the South, and before the unfortunate departure of our Queen I was perhaps to be considered the second most powerful person in the land. Given my current status, I should be considered the most powerful by all here gathered.
As before the Queen's death you were second most powerful in the realm - now you have risen to the highest point. Would you say that amongst all of us, you had the most to gain from the Queen's death? Did you have an ambition that stretched beyond your station? If you are a true servant of the realm, you will not strike me down for this.
Vivanius of Austyn is I, servant to the council and our late queen. I will do my duty as I always have.
Post by: Cheeetar on January 30, 2014, 07:14:59 am
As before the Queen's death you were second most powerful in the realm - now you have risen to the highest point. Would you say that amongst all of us, you had the most to gain from the Queen's death? Did you have an ambition that stretched beyond your station? If you are a true servant of the realm, you will not strike me down for this.
Vivanius of Austyn is I, servant to the council and our late queen. I will do my duty as I always have.
I rule only as regent in these stressful times to resolve our current crisis. I have little doubt that once the traitors have been exposed, my duty will be lessened by abdication to the rightful heir. In what capacity, that you claim to wish to continue, did you serve?
Cille- I believe I do know your work, if not from the clothes I see some of the more opulently dressed attendants wear to my court then certainly by the magnificently coloured book of hours our beloved Queen had sent me as a gift. It would be a shame if you were to have to lose your head, for your work was invaluable in creating much beauty.
Post by: Imp on January 30, 2014, 07:28:27 am
I wouldn't doubt, not with such unholy forces rising in the lands, and now even our great regent has gone. If the Queen had an affinity for darkness, it was only to hold it back, and now she is dead I fear a spectral hand is gripping over the realm. Who are you to put aside such concerns so freely? Do you care nothing for the realm?
*Leans forward, her face scrunched into a squint as she gazes directly at, or perhaps through, Vivianus*
Your words form discordant patterns. There is naught but cutting, severing, and pain in your speech. Does grief so rule your mind that agony and despair is all that remains known to you? The world has evil, yes, it may always have had evil. But it still has much that is good.
I do not understand how you can listen to my words and ask me if I care nothing for the realm. I do not understand how you could serve our Queen and view darkness as you say you do. I am no warrior, as perhaps you are. The queen selected me, despite my weakness and slowness, and permitted me to serve as I could and bring the gifts and enrichment I could to her court as my service to her. If there is a hand of evil overstretched across the realm, it is not in me to fight it. I lack even the eyes which can see such a distant thing. I can but support and serve as I can. I asked you before, who you were to view as evil what the queen chose for herself and loved. I ask you now, who, and what, are you that you believe yourself fit to judge and limit our Queen, to redefine her from what she actually was into some... other... as you would say she was, lessening her to all who hear the falseness you speak?
*An arm is lifted, the hand slowly turning to point towards the black-clad servant* The Queen chose as the Queen chose, and she decided what she did from a wealth of many options. What right do you claim to reinterpret the Queen's perceptions and intentions? She stood against evil - true. She viewed darkness as evil - false. That is sister to calling the Queen herself evil; for our Queen chose to wear the Black and nothing any could offer her, though she welcomed her court graced with color, nothing could tempt her to enclose her Person in bright color.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 30, 2014, 07:32:49 am
Urist Imiknorris: How are you going to convince the King to execute your enemies?Ideally, by making my case as strong as possible. Alternatives include weakening other peoples' cases or being king.
Urist Imiknorris: Why is there a dead creature... a dead... is that a rat!?! on your coat of arms?It's a possum.
I am Rød Grønsdatter of the House of Possum. We are the country's greatest tinkers and inventors, right up until the civil wars of the 1200s, when we delved underground and pretended to have been wiped out in order to stay out of the conflict. The Queen's diggers unearthed us by accident and I was offered a position on the Council as a historian.
Jim: What's with the heraldry questions? Are you trying to be subtle about your rolefishing?
Caz: What's all this talk about vampires?
Post by: Imp on January 30, 2014, 07:33:00 am
I'm saying it stood out because it's the only shield with a clear meaning so far. The others, I don't know. The garlic? Why with the garlic?! It's good with cheese, yes, but on a shield?
Garlic is what garlic is; distinctly so, explicitly so. To know garlic is to know garlic.
Why would garlic not be on a shield?
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 08:09:06 am
Everyone: Introducing yourself, even in the most basic of terms, should be treated merely a formality. A formality that I shall have to enforce. If you do not for some reason wish your identity to be known, well, that is how a traitor would behave.
Giovanna da Venezia bows and addresses the current 'king'. "It is not in my place to speak, but from the request of the Queen herself. I am Giovanna, daughter to the artisans of Venice-Denmark's call to aid was heard throughout the lands, and while the call was subtle, the few of us who had contacts-of ties beyond memorable bloodline but in word alone-answered the call. I take up the standard of my people-yet my lands are not in my homeland, but in that given to me by a friend of the Queen."
She presents the story of the Queensguard and on their sigils. The emblem of the rose was of significant note.
"I am of the northern watch. Knights of the borderline against Fortinbras'--second son of the King, Fortinbras, who is a direct descendant to the tyrant of the north, Fortinbras--advances. I only have my sword and shield to serve, Your Majesty, but by virtue of promise and honor am I tied to aid the Queen who in turn, accepted my aid."
The knight looks around, and addresses the general audience.
"And if I may be so humble as to ask to be termed as milady. I...have a knack of being mistaken as a man."
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I am Rød Grønsdatter of the House of Possum....Why are there similarities with 3 other people? As in, SBC, Toaster and Imp?
Imp:
...I am so quoting this for posterity.I'm saying it stood out because it's the only shield with a clear meaning so far. The others, I don't know. The garlic? Why with the garlic?! It's good with cheese, yes, but on a shield?
Garlic is what garlic is; distinctly so, explicitly so. To know garlic is to know garlic.
PFP
Caz
....Were you serious about the vampires or are you pulling it out of...literature?
Post by: Cheeetar on January 30, 2014, 08:15:38 am
QuoteI am Rød Grønsdatter of the House of Possum....Why are there similarities with 3 other people? As in, SBC, Toaster and Imp?
If you're referring to the 'datter' part, it signifies that the person is the daughter of so and so, much like Danielsen is the son of Daniel.
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 08:36:21 am
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So they're all related, you mean? That could also signify..erm, cousins or such, right?
Post by: Cheeetar on January 30, 2014, 08:46:26 am
Oooo, thanks.
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So they're all related, you mean? That could also signify..erm, cousins or such, right?
Ooop. Sorry. Not really. I'm fairly bad at explaining things. Gronsdatter means that the person is the daughter of Gron, or someone in their ancestry was at some point and that last name was formally adopted. Cille Edithsdatter is either the daughter of Edith or had an ancestor named Edith. They're not related except by way of having last names with the same naming convention.
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 08:47:42 am
But thanks muchly for detailing it all out.
Post by: Persus13 on January 30, 2014, 08:52:22 am
Persus13: How does your strategy in a Kingmaker game differ from normal mafia?Not sure how my strategy would differ, other than if I'm convinced one person is scum, I only have to convince the current king of that.
Persus13: Were you Kingmaker N0, what criteria would you have used to pick the King?I take you can't select yourself if your kingmaker? Anyway, I would have gone to random.org and used a RNG.
Gwenhwyfar's (Persus13) is interesting. I think she's going to have to change it though - Our Queen is dead and there are surely more to follow.What makes you think my shield is related to this situation?
Everyone: Introducing yourself, even in the most basic of terms, should be treated merely a formality. A formality that I shall have to enforce. If you do not for some reason wish your identity to be known, well, that is how a traitor would behave.I am Gwenhwyfar, who was found in a forest with a shield by the queen and became her advisor.
Fun fact: The shield I sent in was an artist's depiction of the coat of arms of a medieval king.
TolyK: I like your character's name.
Can you tell which names are Danish and which aren't?QuoteI am Rød Grønsdatter of the House of Possum....Why are there similarities with 3 other people? As in, SBC, Toaster and Imp?
If you're referring to the 'datter' part, it signifies that the person is the daughter of so and so, much like Danielsen is the son of Daniel.
Also, I am preparing to go on a school trip right now, so I'm not sure how active I am going to be today and the next few days. (I'll have internet, just not much time to use it.)
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 08:57:07 am
It's actually yellowish in the hue, but I swear that was gold when I picked it. Also it was rushed to please excuse the...lines. And that splotch. :XImpTiruin: How important is color to you? To your character?-bloop! + 'why'd you ask'-
It seemed like exactly the right question to ask you. Colorwise, your shield is the most atypical of the 'set' of all of our shields. Yours is not the only one to possess a color that no other shield has, but there's a hue-quality to yours which is strikingly different from the others, at least to my eyes. What's the significance of your heraldry's background color?
Though in abstract terms, the thought that hit me when I was previewing the finished one was along the characteristics of Heaven and Light. Like, purity and all that. Looking at the water's surface from under the sea on a sunlit day?...Yeah. That kind of beauty..
Post by: Cheeetar on January 30, 2014, 08:58:57 am
If you're referring to the 'datter' part, it signifies that the person is the daughter of so and so, much like Danielsen is the son of Daniel.Can you tell which names are Danish and which aren't?
Also, I am preparing to go on a school trip right now, so I'm not sure how active I am going to be today and the next few days. (I'll have internet, just not much time to use it.)
Not quite. What little I do know is based off playing a lot of Crusader Kings 2.
Try to make sure to at least check in and make some posts, even if they're fairly skimp on content.
Post by: Toaster on January 30, 2014, 10:18:35 am
Toaster, if you were Kingmaker who would you have picked?
Also, is your herald what I think it is?
Someone I trusted to make a good D1 judgement when there's not a lot of information to go by. From the current list, that'd be either you or ZU, who seems to have a strong gut for this despite his terseness.
Maybe. What do you think it is?
Since you were in the last Kingmaker this forum had, what differences from it will the BYOR setting make? Do you think it will come down to a silly end like the last one did?
King Cheeetar, Superblackcat, TolyK, Toaster and Caz: Looking at the appearance of the various shields, which one do you like the most, which the least? Why?
Our King's is pretty awesome, for having the gumption to put a stick
Imp:
10 golden crowns
Spoiler: I see it's already been mentioned, but I can't resist (click to show/hide)
On a serious note, how do you feel about not having any direct control over the lynch?
Cheetar: As you all know, I am Maren Jørgensdatter, daughter of Denmark's greatest merchant family. My father's large shipping fleet brings in great wealth and supplies much of Denmark with quality goods. *idly twirls hair*
How will you determine the lynch? To what extent will you consider the arguments of others? Given this is D1, how much gut feeling will you rely on?
TolyK: How in the world do you pronounce your last name? How can you suffer a word with so many consonants to live?
How are you on the council, given you're clearly not Danish? Same question to Tiruin. (As best I can tell, you two are the only non-Danes.) Tiruin, I'm also curious how you feel about not having any direct control over the lynch.
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2014, 11:36:55 am
*mod scurries off and observes passionately*
Post by: makeinu on January 30, 2014, 12:05:26 pm
Are we allowed to write stories too?? :D:D:D
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2014, 12:26:04 pm
Ooh, ooh, ooh!
Are we allowed to write stories too?? :D:D:D
I usually run it kind of like a D&D game. In this case there's a lore established by previous campaigns, and if you don't add anything in then I'll generally just screw around and please myself. By all means... audience participation in the creation of your character is welcome *_*
Post by: zombie urist on January 30, 2014, 01:55:59 pm
Everyone: Introducing yourself, even in the most basic of terms, should be treated merely a formality. A formality that I shall have to enforce. If you do not for some reason wish your identity to be known, well, that is how a traitor would behave.
zombie urist: Your heraldry seems to speak of life, green growing things, and peace. Why did you select the symbols you did?
| (http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~azhou/images/louisasolheim0small.png) | Hiiii~!! My name is Louiiiisa Von Solheim~! House of the Sun! The Sun! The Sun brings life! Everyone depends the glorious rays of the Sun! My hearldry shows a simple ecosystem. The humble honeybee feeds on the nectar of the sunflower. In return, because sunflowers do not self pollinate, the bee helps transfer pollen between the sunflowers. [1] (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2401586?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103362252097) The sunflower however has deeper corrola tubes than most flowers. The butterfly, with her long proboscis can easily reach the nectar. This is why bees and butterflies are found with a higher proportion than other insects near the sunflower. [2] (http://archive.org/stream/jstor-1929086/1929086_djvu.txt) The entire ecosystem, however, is actually powered by the majestic beams from the Sun! All life is dependent on the Sun! Would you like a pamplet Miss Cille??? Louisa hands Cille Edithsdatter a pamplet (http://i.imgur.com/AuAMx79.png?1). |
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Imp: Why are almost all your questions flavor related when Vector said flavor isn't relevant to the game?
Makeinu: Will your deep-seated hatred of vigs affect your outlook this game? Specifically what do you think about the fact that the king is basically a 1-shot day-vig?
Toaster: You've hosted a couple of Kingmaker games. How will your knowledge from previous kingmakers inform your decisions this game?
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Post by: TolyK on January 30, 2014, 02:01:52 pm
Post by: Toaster on January 30, 2014, 02:59:48 pm
Toaster: You've hosted a couple of Kingmaker games. How will your knowledge from previous kingmakers inform your decisions this game?
Not much, really. There's some oddities that can arise in LYLO situations since the Kingmaker must be town...
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Vector: If the Kingmaker dies, will a new player become Kingmaker? Is this person guaranteed Town?
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2014, 03:08:51 pm
Vector: If the Kingmaker dies, will a new player become Kingmaker? Is this person guaranteed Town?
A new player will become Kingmaker. I will check with Webadict on the other thing, just to be sure I understand his intentions with the mechanics.
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 30, 2014, 05:23:01 pm
Everyone: Introducing yourself, even in the most basic of terms, should be treated merely a formality. A formality that I shall have to enforce. If you do not for some reason wish your identity to be known, well, that is how a traitor would behave.
I am Mark II of House Magnus. We Magnus Men are known across the land for the high quality of our musical instruments. Most of the instruments used in this court, I wager, were created by my family.
I have an older brother, Mark I, and we are both sons of Lord Cain of House Magnus. Mark I has the talent to play these masterful instruments, but I have the talent for leadership, hence why I am on this council and not him.
Also, would you consider executing a lurker or a player with low participation in general?
How green am I to your eyes, compared to makeinu?
Probably greener. I've only played the one game with him, but I think he has a better reserve of experience to draw upon when he finds things to pick at people over.
Why the comparison to makeinu?
Why do you ask?
Because usually whenever there's even marginal flavor relevance in a game you make it your mission to roleplay as much as possible.
Jim: What's with the heraldry questions? Are you trying to be subtle about your rolefishing?
Initially my question to Cheeetar was going to be something about the scales on his shield and ruling fairly and justly or something, but I decided to make fun of it instead since it does look there's a horse on a stick on it.
The question to Toaster is because I think I might know what he submitted as his image and because we are bros.
How come you ask me about questions over heraldry, when Imp asked a bunch more than me?
And what do you make of all this RP?
Since you were in the last Kingmaker this forum had, what differences from it will the BYOR setting make? Do you think it will come down to a silly end like the last one did?
I was?
I don't remember.
Oh, fuck, Kingmaker 4. That game.
I'm confident in wubadubadooooo's ability to balance a Kingmaker, so hopefully the game won't be complete trainwreck like KM4. For balancing purposes the BYOR part is not significantly relevant since we only sent in heralds and not roles.
Maybe. What do you think it is?
This? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXtHmnyA7hg)
Post by: Cheeetar on January 30, 2014, 06:36:47 pm
Cheetar: As you all know, I am Maren Jørgensdatter, daughter of Denmark's greatest merchant family. My father's large shipping fleet brings in great wealth and supplies much of Denmark with quality goods. *idly twirls hair*
How will you determine the lynch? To what extent will you consider the arguments of others? Given this is D1, how much gut feeling will you rely on?
Once it is apparent that all who will contribute have done so to the best of their ability and further discussion would only drag out the hearing unnecessarily, I will make my judgement. The arguments people put forward will be of great significance to the result of my decision, but I will be using my own intuition.
I am Mark II of House Magnus. We Magnus Men are known across the land for the high quality of our musical instruments. Most of the instruments used in this court, I wager, were created by my family.
I have an older brother, Mark I, and we are both sons of Lord Cain of House Magnus. Mark I has the talent to play these masterful instruments, but I have the talent for leadership, hence why I am on this council and not him.
Also, would you consider executing a lurker or a player with low participation in general?
Given the gravity of this situation, somebody who seems unwilling to even participate or defend themselves will at least draw my ire. Executing them would be an investment in the future days we will spend in this court- we would not have to put up with their sloth.
Louisa hands Cille Edithsdatter a pamplet (http://i.imgur.com/AuAMx79.png?1).
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Post by: makeinu on January 30, 2014, 07:13:37 pm
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 09:15:36 pm
I don't know, or have ever played D&D in my life. u__uOoh, ooh, ooh!
Are we allowed to write stories too?? :D:D:D
I usually run it kind of like a D&D game. In this case there's a lore established by previous campaigns, and if you don't add anything in then I'll generally just screw around and please myself. By all means... audience participation in the creation of your character is welcome *_*
You know how sad I am about it, yet how happy I am to also participate in these kinds of cases. :'(
I'd like to start off my own participation on this new Day by remarking that I love you guys.*squee*
*mod scurries off and observes passionately*
Err, wait, can we do day-flavor actions?
Toaster
Jim:> ...So I don't have a good gut? :IToaster, if you were Kingmaker who would you have picked?
Also, is your herald what I think it is?
Someone I trusted to make a good D1 judgement when there's not a lot of information to go by. From the current list, that'd be either you or ZU, who seems to have a strong gut for this despite his terseness.
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TolyK: How in the world do you pronounce your last name? How can you suffer a word with so many consonants to live?
How are you on the council, given you're clearly not Danish? Same question to Tiruin. (As best I can tell, you two are the only non-Danes.) Tiruin, I'm also curious how you feel about not having any direct control over the lynch.
> I'm in the council due to connections to allies of the crown and the promise of aid-Denmark called for help, and even the past rule (pre/post Alexandersen) accepted foreign aid (aaaand non-foreign but in our lands-aid). And I've got Venezian blood, so HAH, take that northeners! This is partly also for Europe!
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Tiruin, I'm also curious how you feel about not having any direct control over the lynch.I smile and feel elated at this. I don't play mafia the conventional way-instead I go for the essence within it, which I don't think most see my play as. Details within the details, search for them, conclude, re-search and check back. While I don't have any direct control over the lynch, it still plays with my playstyle--the psychology of bolding people's names while asking them notes.
Granted, the click of red doesn't work so it sorta dilutes my case, however it doesn't change how I'll play at all! :D
Query for you Toaster: Why do you think non-Danish has a special significant to note than Danish? That's sorta...biased, and I have a feeling you may agree.
However, why so? Or why not?
Vector: If the Kingmaker dies, will a new player become Kingmaker? Is this person guaranteed Town?...Ehh? Guaranteed Town?
Why'd you ask that part?
This is cute and wow ZU. :)) Love the sun.Everyone: Introducing yourself, even in the most basic of terms, should be treated merely a formality. A formality that I shall have to enforce. If you do not for some reason wish your identity to be known, well, that is how a traitor would behave.zombie urist: Your heraldry seems to speak of life, green growing things, and peace. Why did you select the symbols you did?
(http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~azhou/images/louisasolheim0small.png)
Oh gods this reminds me of Toaster/Lenglon's Rose/Lily flavor.
Not unless you're used to it. :pSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Also question, ZU: if you see someone scummy, how will you out them for the King-if said King was seen as inattentive to your words beforehand?
Jim
>_>Why do you ask?
Because usually whenever there's even marginal flavor relevance in a game you make it your mission to roleplay as much as possible.
<_<
In truth, I make it my mission if roleplay is possible-and if the game is reallytruly fun for me.
So..yeah.
Query, Jim:
I saw KM 4, but am curious-how did you see it as a trainwreck (sans your words in deadchat..)?Since you were in the last Kingmaker this forum had, what differences from it will the BYOR setting make? Do you think it will come down to a silly end like the last one did?
I was?
I don't remember.
Oh, fuck, Kingmaker 4. That game.
I'm confident in wubadubadooooo's ability to balance a Kingmaker, so hopefully the game won't be complete trainwreck like KM4. For balancing purposes the BYOR part is not significantly relevant since we only sent in heralds and not roles.
I mean..yeah, it can be easily implied but...I'd like to hear from a veteran of those types.
makeinu
Forgive, please, my inattention. It is not deliberate, today is kicking my ass.Reading everything by candlelight kicks any ass. :S
Hope you're doing well!
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2014, 09:30:51 pm
Vector: If the Kingmaker dies, will a new player become Kingmaker? Is this person guaranteed Town?
A new player will become Kingmaker. I will check with Webadict on the other thing, just to be sure I understand his intentions with the mechanics.
The rules for choosing a Kingmaker are that the player MUST be Town and MUST be alive. If they die (permanently, as in revives would not change them) or are converted, they cease to be the Kingmaker and a new one is chosen. If, at any point, there is no one eligible to be Kingmaker, the vote system becomes regular voting, with all players being able to vote.
I'm going to add to this that if someone steals their power or they get depowered or anything like that (I'm sure I'm not covering all of the possibilities), same thing! There's going to be a town Kingmaker.
Err, wait, can we do day-flavor actions?
*sigh*
Yes :D No, seriously, that's one of my favorite things about running these games. So yes, just like last time, you can do day-flavor actions.
Post by: Tiruin on January 30, 2014, 09:42:22 pm
I seriously am reading too much of the previous KMs. What I remember is that scum could also be Kingmaker.Vector: If the Kingmaker dies, will a new player become Kingmaker? Is this person guaranteed Town?
A new player will become Kingmaker. I will check with Webadict on the other thing, just to be sure I understand his intentions with the mechanics.The rules for choosing a Kingmaker are that the player MUST be Town and MUST be alive. If they die (permanently, as in revives would not change them) or are converted, they cease to be the Kingmaker and a new one is chosen. If, at any point, there is no one eligible to be Kingmaker, the vote system becomes regular voting, with all players being able to vote.
I'm going to add to this that if someone steals their power or they get depowered or anything like that (I'm sure I'm not covering all of the possibilities), same thing! There's going to be a town Kingmaker.
Yes :D No, seriously, that's one of my favorite things about running these games. So yes, just like last time, you can do day-flavor actions.YEESSSSSSS
OK now not to go all ecstatic and do everything that may lead to hmm what to do what to exactly do must not stress Vector hmmm
I wonder if we can get Solifuge/Webadict to write. :3
Anyway thanks much!
Post by: Toaster on January 30, 2014, 10:23:52 pm
I'm confident in wubadubadooooo's ability to balance a Kingmaker, so hopefully the game won't be complete trainwreck like KM4. For balancing purposes the BYOR part is not significantly relevant since we only sent in heralds and not roles.Maybe. What do you think it is?
This? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXtHmnyA7hg)
I'm curious how it will shake out, since I personally wrote off the gametype (from a moderation perspective) as not worth the effort.
And let's just say that my herald features a SCREAMING FREEDOM EAGLE.
Cheeetar: Fair enough.
Tiruin: I have too much trouble reading you to say for sure anything about your gut, really.
Fair enough re your nonDanity.
Query for you Toaster: Why do you think non-Danish has a special significant to note than Danish? That's sorta...biased, and I have a feeling you may agree.
However, why so? Or why not?
I will be happy to answer that question after TolyK and ZU answer my questions on the subject.
Vector: If the Kingmaker dies, will a new player become Kingmaker? Is this person guaranteed Town?...Ehh? Guaranteed Town?
Why'd you ask that part?
Because it's extremely relevant, and a core part of the Kingmaker ruleset. I didn't want to assume it was still there since it wasn't mentioned in the rules.
Why? Anything that creates a confirmed townie is a difference maker in Mafia. Here, if someone claims Kingmaker and isn't counterclaimed, then they are 100% town. If they are counterclaimed, it is 100% certain that one of the two is lying scum. Think about the implications of this in a LYLO situation (especially five player) and you'll see why I wanted to be sure.
I seriously am reading too much of the previous KMs. What I remember is that scum could also be Kingmaker.
This wasn't the case in either of mine (3 and 4).
Speaking of LYLO, Vector: Do we know how large the Mafia team is?
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2014, 10:26:24 pm
Speaking of LYLO, Vector: Do we know how large the Mafia team is?
Nope :3
Post by: Superblackcat on January 31, 2014, 12:01:15 am
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Superblackcat: What is your gift?My, whatatata?
You guys should be able to guess which one is me... the herald makes it quite obvious.
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SuperBlackCat: Hello there luckycat. I am curious-could you give your experience with forum mafia in general, and how this may affect your play in Kingmaker? I do note an aggressive streak at times-what's the purpose of that?
My total experience with Forum mafia? Here?
Well, I came two BMs ago, I believe, And I've played in most of the games since then, counting, paranormal, all the BMs, BM sprint... and I think that's it.
I play differently every game, or maybe I don't. I mostly play on my gut, and I don't really have a set 'to-do' list. I do however have some things I look out for.
I do have an aggressive streak at sometimes, it's probably the day, the stars, and moon are all lining up on that day ;P. Sometimes I feel that aggressive will work better.
My opinions stated within this thread may not be my actual opinions, and are mostly used to invoke a reaction. Please do not take what I say here to outside mafia. Thank you very much.
Post by: makeinu on January 31, 2014, 02:02:13 am
Viggo, sixth son of Valentin, Duke of Bornholm, wears a blank expression, tinged faintly with grief, as it always is. He stares through the room, looking past it at some distant scene, unaware of the proceedings taking place before him. His greying beard quivers now and again, as though he were quietly speaking to himself.
His story is known to you, as it is known to all the kingdom. How his beloved Iseult was taken from him by dis-ease, his grief immeasurable, as only the truest of love can engender upon its loss. How the Queen, in her gentle wisdom, took him to her council as her most faithful knight.
Since her death, each night, he has walked the walls of the castle, ne'er mind the weather, peering always to the north. As if to discover the assassin, sent by Fortinbras, by sheer force of will and cleave from him his life, and a confession. As if, by sheer force of will, to break the paralysis the Queen's death had placed upon the land.
Such treachery as this could not, would not, go unpunished. Not so long as he lived.
Isn't that how the stories go?
He turns, and sees your gaze upon him. Realizing then that the King has given the order to be seated, and he has dishonored that order, he bows.
"Your forgiveness, my liege. I had ... There was, but for a moment ... something ..."
Speaking no further, he takes his seat.
zombie urist:
Makeinu: Will your deep-seated hatred of vigs affect your outlook this game? Specifically what do you think about the fact that the king is basically a 1-shot day-vig?
I don't see the king in a Kingmaker game in that light. The Vigilante, in a normal game, is a disruptive force, taking into his own hands the power of judge, jury, and executioner. Any kills he makes are not necessarily supported by the arguments around him, and serve only to further confuse scum-hunting efforts. The only remedy to that is a role- and kill-claim, and that still doesn't alter the facts of the matter, that they more often than not hit Town at least once. Plus, barring a role-flip, there's no way to know the Vig is Town.
In this format, however, the King is the only kill. His is the lynch vote, the only one. And, by the nature of the game, he's confirmed Town. Thus, though he may in the end make a poor decision, based on the arguments put before him, at least there is no mystery regarding the nature of his kill.
What are your thoughts on what might be gleaned from our heraldry, in game terms?
Jim:
How green am I to your eyes, compared to makeinu?
Probably greener. I've only played the one game with him, but I think he has a better reserve of experience to draw upon when he finds things to pick at people over.
Awwww, now I'm all embarrassed.
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Why the comparison to makeinu?
I was rather wondering that myself.
You ask whether we can gloss over the flavor, rather than looking for clues and riddles. How much bearing do you think the flavor will have on the game's outcome?
Caz!
We meet again on the field of wits. Well met.
An ankh is an unusual cross variant for an emblazon. What is the significance?
Imp:
Is that a platypus rampant on your emblazon? Your colors speak of peace, innocence, joy, hope. How do the charges you selected relate to that?
You're going to make novels I'm going to have to read all game, aren't you?
Tiruin:
If you were on the throne, on whom would your suspicion fall most heavily right now? Why?
Cheetar:
How does it feel to be cleared from the beginning of Day 1? Are you concerned for what this bodes come nightfall?
Urist Imiknorris:
From a family of inventors comes a historian to the court. Underground inventors, nonetheless. Are you a gnome?
Persus13:
If your shield is, as you imply, not related to this situation, then why 13 golden crowns?
Toaster:
This is the first BYOR I've ever played, and the first actual Kingmaker. What, in your estimation, should I pay attention to as to differences due to those two factors, comparing this to a normal game?
Tolyk:
If you were one of the assassins, and had to make the choice of whom to kill right now, who would it be? Why?
Superblackcat:
Please, introduce us to your character. What's in the gift-wrapped box?
Post by: Vector on January 31, 2014, 02:17:26 am
OK now not to go all ecstatic and do everything that may lead to hmm what to do what to exactly do must not stress Vector hmmm
Don't worry about that :] I'll take care of myself! You just help make the story awesome, mmkay?
b-by the way I am not sure I have said how awesome and inspiring you guys are enough times recently... *_* I'll have to keep working to make better and better games!
Post by: Cheeetar on January 31, 2014, 02:18:30 am
Cheetar:
How does it feel to be cleared from the beginning of Day 1? Are you concerned for what this bodes come nightfall?
To my current knowledge, there is no rule to the role of Kingmaker which disables him from selecting scum or third party as a King. However, rest assured that I am of the proper allegiance, and you are right to assume me an avid supporter of the Queen. I am not concerned by the machinations of the traitors- I have faced their kind before, and even if I fall in challenging them they will not survive long after.
Post by: makeinu on January 31, 2014, 02:29:40 am
Post by: zombie urist on January 31, 2014, 02:51:15 am
新年快乐！恭喜发财！
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 02:57:02 am
Happy new year everybody!^ :D
新年快乐！恭喜发财！
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 31, 2014, 03:20:42 am
Query, Jim:I saw KM 4, but am curious-how did you see it as a trainwreck (sans your words in deadchat..)?Since you were in the last Kingmaker this forum had, what differences from it will the BYOR setting make? Do you think it will come down to a silly end like the last one did?
I was?
I don't remember.
Oh, fuck, Kingmaker 4. That game.
I'm confident in wubadubadooooo's ability to balance a Kingmaker, so hopefully the game won't be complete trainwreck like KM4. For balancing purposes the BYOR part is not significantly relevant since we only sent in heralds and not roles.
I mean..yeah, it can be easily implied but...I'd like to hear from a veteran of those types.
Alright. I had to go recheck what I said in dead chat to refamiliarize myself with the reasons for why Kingmaker 4 was a trainwreck. I also can see that my comments make me look like a douche. Eh, what else is new.
Anyways, Kingmaker 4 was several players' absolute first introduction to the game of mafia. So they had no idea what to do, so they did what comes naturally: play really, really, really, really, really, really, really horribly. And even among new players their play was horrible, which is really saying something.
So we endured paranoid new players who amongst their many faults completely failed to heed any sort of advice, posted frequently without any concern for grammar, coherency, consistent arguments, or even sensible arguments at all, and also insulted my ego, which is really the most important fault, of course. And then it was revealed that the complete newbie Kingmaker was choosing Kings randomly, which was trainwreck icing on the trainwreck cake. And through that trainwreck the town still managed to win. It was at this point that we concluded the gametype as we were playing it was fundamentally broken, if the town could win despite such shitty play.
The players who weren't complete beginners demanded that these new players be forcibly replaced midgame, the game was so bad. The game was so bad that some of the forum regulars at the time considered creating a Hall of Shame, with that game as its first entrant, the game was so bad. The game was so bad that it made me decide that the Beginner's Mafia games were doing such a shit job of teaching new players how to play that my direct intervention was necessary to bring them up to speed, to avoid experiencing a horrible trainwreck of a game like that ever, ever again, the game was so bad.
I mean, just read it. You'll see what I mean.
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Mark II glances at Viggo. His mouth begins quivering and a tear begins welling at his eye. How surprising it was to be so moved by watching a man stare blankly at a wall for five minutes, stammer, and then sit down!
You ask whether we can gloss over the flavor, rather than looking for clues and riddles. How much bearing do you think the flavor will have on the game's outcome?
By Vector's own words flavor and mechanics are separated. So, to answer your question, none at all.
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This is all very nice, but do you have anything game-relevant to add?
Post by: Imp on January 31, 2014, 03:22:51 am
Can you tell which names are Danish and which aren't?
Danish naming traditions actually were very tightly connected to use of the datter/søn(sen in more recent years) I wouldn't be surprised to find that only those of us with a patronymic paired with datter/sen are actually of typical and pure Danish ancestry, with the others actually being from other European countries or having somewhat exotic family situations. (though there are Danish surnames which do not follow that pattern).
'von' is commonly part of German names, and 'heim' as part of a surname is very often German or Norwegian.
Brzęczyszczykiewicz is almost certainly Polish.
Gwenhwyfar is usually Welsh.
More details on Danish surnames for the interested: http://www.lenekottal.dk/artikler/artikler.php?aid=20&lang=en (about datter and sen)
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dnkcen/FAQ/1000surnames.html (modern-day 1000 most common Danish surnames)
I am Gwenhwyfar, who was found in a forest with a shield by the queen and became her advisor.
Were you still a child when you were found? Do you know who named you?
Toaster:
Imp:Gosh, I use my loupe... I just can't see that well, even with it sometimes. Not every 'counting' problem comes from a problem with 'counting', sometimes there's other things to take into account. However I appreciate that the daughter of our greatest Merchant family chose to display a gently adulterated Accounting book.[/quote]10 golden crownsSpoiler: I see it's already been mentioned, but I can't resist (click to show/hide)
On a serious note, how do you feel about not having any direct control over the lynch?
Still deciding, but I think I might like it. I do want someone or something to be in control, and that someone had better be sane or really don't enjoy the goings on at all (insane people 'in control' rarely are in enough control to be 'in control'). That someone doesn't have to be myself though.
Do you know why you, of the various members of your family, was the one selected to serve the Queen's Council?
not-feeling-like-a-zombie-today urist
Imp: Why are almost all your questions flavor related when Vector said flavor isn't relevant to the game?
That's a very strange question, ZU. The 'flavor' I asked about was primarily directly related to the shields - and those shields came from each player, for all the imagery has been filtered through another person's interpretation and artistic ability. Asking about these shields, both from the players who picked the imagery to be used and asking opinions of preference about the shields overall is a way to attempt to ellicit information about others' thought patterns and intentions. A successful way? We'll see. But psychologists play a little game involving ink blots and the impressions people get from such things... surely such a game doesn't only function through ink blots.
What purpose does a FoS serve in a kingmaker game, when you are not currently King?
The majority of questions I see are about 'flavor' of one taste or another, from character names to references of darkness and light, to the heraldry, to our character nationalities.
I asked the questions I did because they seem and feel appropriate to me to ask at that point in play. I'll refer you to the concept of RVS questioning, and how we just passed a N0 where we recieved flavor PMs (some more than others apparently) and how we were invited to interact with our moderator in a flavorful fashion. This game's flavor, one form of it or another, is very much on my mind now and when I selected those questions. Personally, I've been swimming in the theme of this game for the last dayish, and I'm finding it refreshing and enjoyable - it's close to exactly what my real-life wearied, stressed, and hassled spirit needed at this time. (Thank you, Vector and other flavor-and-other-game-content providers!)
Of all who ask about one flavor of the flavor or another, why do you focus on my focus upon it?
Jim Groovester:
How green am I to your eyes, compared to makeinu?
Probably greener. I've only played the one game with him, but I think he has a better reserve of experience to draw upon when he finds things to pick at people over.
Why the comparison to makeinu?
Relates to the current BM. makeinu became the IC that you said I was too green to be, and I was curious how you saw him in that regard in comparison (as you said nothing about him when he volunteered).
makeinu:
Imp:No, its a star-nosed mole.
Is that a platypus rampant on your emblazon?
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Your colors speak of peace, innocence, joy, hope. How do the charges you selected relate to that?What charges I selected where now? I don't understand what you're asking me, explain/link?
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You're going to make novels I'm going to have to read all game, aren't you?Maybe I'll be moved to make novels, maybe I won't. Not sure you have to do anything either way, but you can read whatever you want, or not read if you don't want.
In this format, however, the King is the only kill. His is the lynch vote, the only one. And, by the nature of the game, he's confirmed Town.
Ah, you're right. I misread. It's the Kingmaker that must be Town.
ooh. So now that you understand this - does that change your answer to the King/vig question at all?
Superblackcat:
Woah, it started!QuoteSuperblackcat: What is your gift?My, whatatata?
I'm asking about your shield. It appears to be emblazoned with a gift. Is that a gift? What is that gift?
Post by: makeinu on January 31, 2014, 03:44:48 am
makeinu:Imp:No, its a star-nosed mole.
Is that a platypus rampant on your emblazon?
Okay, that's even more odd.
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QuoteYour colors speak of peace, innocence, joy, hope. How do the charges you selected relate to that?What charges I selected where now? I don't understand what you're asking me, explain/link?
The charges on an emblazon, the shield part of a coat of arms, are the decorative bits, such as your garlic, and my dragon. As opposed to the field, or background, or the border, et cetera.
Your choices, and those of several others, have no meaning in heraldry, which in and of itself means little. So, I merely wondered at your choices.
Mine have personal meaning to me, all relating to my own family name and it's pronunciation as that relates to two wildly different languages. It's an in-joke, if you will, just for me. But, they also have, from the colors to the charges, even the field, actual heraldric meaning, and Vector did a splendid job of capturing that in my role.
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In this format, however, the King is the only kill. His is the lynch vote, the only one. And, by the nature of the game, he's confirmed Town.I understand that the KingMaker is Town for Sure. What proves that each and every King is Town? I understood that the King is whomever the KingMaker selects, and the KingMaker can select anyone alive?Ah, you're right. I misread. It's the Kingmaker that must be Town.
ooh. So now that you understand this - does that change your answer to the King/vig question at all?
Actually, yes, it might. I'll have to think on that. One thing still stands: at least that isn't on top of the lynch and a scum night kill.
Actually, no. It doesn't really change the answer. Because in that case the killer is known, it's perhaps easier to use that information to assess whether the King-for-a-day might be scum, whereas the Vig is still killing anonymously. My Vig hatred runs deep, but it's more nuanced than it seems on surface.
Post by: Imp on January 31, 2014, 04:06:03 am
QuoteQuoteYour colors speak of peace, innocence, joy, hope. How do the charges you selected relate to that?What charges I selected where now? I don't understand what you're asking me, explain/link?
The charges on an emblazon, the shield part of a coat of arms, are the decorative bits, such as your garlic, and my dragon. As opposed to the field, or background, or the border, et cetera.
Your choices, and those of several others, have no meaning in heraldry, which in and of itself means little. So, I merely wondered at your choices.
Mine have personal meaning to me, all relating to my own family name and it's pronunciation as that relates to two wildly different languages. It's an in-joke, if you will, just for me. But, they also have, from the colors to the charges, even the field, actual heraldric meaning, and Vector did a splendid job of capturing that in my role.
Ahh, thank you.
My charges relate to the actual colors incidentally or not at all. My charges related to the meanings you attribute to those colors incidentally, but there is a connection. I would ascribe more perseverance, endurance, and being what one is, no matter what or where one is.
Would you explain the captured meaning that your own Coat of Arms displays?
Post by: makeinu on January 31, 2014, 04:19:21 am
Would you explain the captured meaning that your own Coat of Arms displays?
Not entirely, as it would be tantamount to a role claim to explain it all.
The Fleur-de-lis is the heraldric symbol for France, but also represents a sixth son. Black represents constancy and grief. Silver, peace, wisdom, innocence. The dragon is a guardian and seeker of treasures. Sanguine, or red, military strength, the warrior's color.
So, a faithful knight, born of a noble line, but not in line to rule, plagued by grief for a lost love, loyal to the last. Very well captured from a simple blazon.
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Post by: Caz on January 31, 2014, 04:20:37 am
Cheeetar
I rule only as regent in these stressful times to resolve our current crisis. I have little doubt that once the traitors have been exposed, my duty will be lessened by abdication to the rightful heir. In what capacity, that you claim to wish to continue, did you serve?
The rightful heir? And who might that be? One proven to root out the traitors at this very table? Who is there better-suited?
I have done all *cough* tasks appointed to me by the Queen. I don't think it's the time to quibble over exact trifles while there is such an important issue at hand. *coughs again and loosens his collar*
Imp
*Leans forward, her face scrunched into a squint as she gazes directly at, or perhaps through, Vivianus*
Your words form discordant patterns. There is naught but cutting, severing, and pain in your speech. Does grief so rule your mind that agony and despair is all that remains known to you? The world has evil, yes, it may always have had evil. But it still has much that is good.
The good will only prosper if we cut the evil out as quickly as a healer cuts a rotting wound.
If there is a hand of evil overstretched across the realm, it is not in me to fight it. I lack even the eyes which can see such a distant thing. I can but support and serve as I can. I asked you before, who you were to view as evil what the queen chose for herself and loved. I ask you now, who, and what, are you that you believe yourself fit to judge and limit our Queen, to redefine her from what she actually was into some... other... as you would say she was, lessening her to all who hear the falseness you speak?
It is you that accuse me of this. If you are unable or unwilling to fight the scourge around us now, what use were you ever to the Queen? Why are you still at this table?
*An arm is lifted, the hand slowly turning to point towards the black-clad servant* The Queen chose as the Queen chose, and she decided what she did from a wealth of many options. What right do you claim to reinterpret the Queen's perceptions and intentions? She stood against evil - true. She viewed darkness as evil - false. That is sister to calling the Queen herself evil; for our Queen chose to wear the Black and nothing any could offer her, though she welcomed her court graced with color, nothing could tempt her to enclose her Person in bright color.More twisting of words. Is all red fire, or blood? Is the whiteness of chalk inherently holy by colour alone? No sooner is darkness the same. The Queen's fashion choices and the state of the realm are far-removed from each other in discussion.
Will you not answer one question straight, woman? Tell us about the garlic. Do you use it for cooking, or darker deeds?I'm saying it stood out because it's the only shield with a clear meaning so far. The others, I don't know. The garlic? Why with the garlic?! It's good with cheese, yes, but on a shield?
Garlic is what garlic is; distinctly so, explicitly so. To know garlic is to know garlic.
Why would garlic not be on a shield?
Caz: What's all this talk about vampires?
Caz
....Were you serious about the vampires or are you pulling it out of...literature?
I do not know if the bloodsuckers have reached Denmark, but the threat of any unholy force remains a constant. Just last night I heard a wailing from a chamber pot, and you try to tell me that this castle isn't haunted?
Caz!Hello again. *scratches his flowing moustache* Have we met? In the hallway, perhaps.
We meet again on the field of wits. Well met.
An ankh is an unusual cross variant for an emblazon. What is the significance?
The ankh is a symbol of my house, of brighter and darker times. I won't tire you with the details.
b-by the way I am not sure I have said how awesome and inspiring you guys are enough times recently... *_* I'll have to keep working to make better and better games!Thanks for your hard work on this Vector.
Post by: Cheeetar on January 31, 2014, 04:48:51 am
CheeetarI rule only as regent in these stressful times to resolve our current crisis. I have little doubt that once the traitors have been exposed, my duty will be lessened by abdication to the rightful heir. In what capacity, that you claim to wish to continue, did you serve?
The rightful heir? And who might that be? One proven to root out the traitors at this very table? Who is there better-suited?
I have done all *cough* tasks appointed to me by the Queen. I don't think it's the time to quibble over exact trifles while there is such an important issue at hand. *coughs again and loosens his collar*
Very well, you may attempt to keep your petty secrets. There are other ways of finding out what you've done. The rightful heir... I'm not quite sure. Although it is true the Queen dictated us to rule in her stead, I'm not sure she meant for a council ruled Denmark indefinitely, certainly not one which consisted partly of foreign interests. The prospect of the throne falling entirely onto me if this crisis is resolved is... troubling.
Manservant! The Queen must have left some sort of notes, a long term plan in the event of her death. Am I right in assuming this council is for the short term stability of the nation, rather than a long term prospect?
Post by: Imp on January 31, 2014, 04:55:15 am
blather and insults
I serve in my capacity. You insult, even the very will and choices of our Queen, and in more ways than one. In what capacity had you served? Why did she welcome you within her Council?
I do not see what you claim is. This 'hand of evil', these 'vampires', the 'haunting' you now speak of. I do know the task before me, I have worked to read the documents and seek to expose all traitors among us. That is the task before us all, and you speak of night terrors fit to frighten a child, with a story always changing.
You fear fear itself, perhaps.
I have already answered you about garlic being upon my shield. I have cooked with it, and rarely used it in dyes. What is your fixation with garlic? What is your fixation with insulting our Queen?
Post by: Persus13 on January 31, 2014, 09:39:50 am
Persus13:Because that was on the shield I submitted, that as I've said before, was an artist's depiction of a medieval king's shield. I didn't even realize it had 13 crowns on it until the game started.
If your shield is, as you imply, not related to this situation, then why 13 golden crowns?
Persus13:No, I was not a child, and the queen was the one who named me.Can you tell which names are Danish and which aren't?
Danish naming traditions actually were very tightly connected to use of the datter/søn(sen in more recent years) I wouldn't be surprised to find that only those of us with a patronymic paired with datter/sen are actually of typical and pure Danish ancestry, with the others actually being from other European countries or having somewhat exotic family situations. (though there are Danish surnames which do not follow that pattern).
'von' is commonly part of German names, and 'heim' as part of a surname is very often German or Norwegian.
Brzęczyszczykiewicz is almost certainly Polish.
Gwenhwyfar is usually Welsh.
More details on Danish surnames for the interested: http://www.lenekottal.dk/artikler/artikler.php?aid=20&lang=en (about datter and sen)
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dnkcen/FAQ/1000surnames.html (modern-day 1000 most common Danish surnames)I am Gwenhwyfar, who was found in a forest with a shield by the queen and became her advisor.
Were you still a child when you were found? Do you know who named you?
Also, thanks for the Danish name information, it seems good.
Jim: How long do you think this day will last?
Post by: Toaster on January 31, 2014, 11:10:09 am
In this format, however, the King is the only kill. His is the lynch vote, the only one. And, by the nature of the game, he's confirmed Town.
This is not correct. The KingMAKER is always town. The king may very well be scum! (Said, but it needs to be said again)
Toaster:
This is the first BYOR I've ever played, and the first actual Kingmaker. What, in your estimation, should I pay attention to as to differences due to those two factors, comparing this to a normal game?
The BYOR part is just fun. Expect everyone to have multiple abilities, which can lead to night oddities.
Kingmaker is much more significant. Primarily note the correction above as for differences, but also there's not much in the way of a vote pattern to track. The hints are there, but it's not as obvious. Non-king scum can lurk in the background more easily. Scum kings are thrust into the spotlight where they don't want to be- but with great power they crave. If popular position goes against a townie, they can easily take that lynch and get out, but don't put a bus past anyone.
Imp:
Do you know why you, of the various members of your family, was the one selected to serve the Queen's Council?
It isn't explicitly spelled out, but I believe I am the most prominent daughter (with no mention of sons) and I have a good sense of the financial ins and outs of the country.
Just last night I heard a wailing from a chamber pot, and you try to tell me that this castle isn't haunted?
Spoiler: Oh God I can't resist (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 11:16:44 am
Manservant! The Queen must have left some sort of notes, a long term plan in the event of her death. Am I right in assuming this council is for the short term stability of the nation, rather than a long term prospect?You..don't really want to do that. :x
Kinda busy, writing this while eating breakfast, sorry haven't been participating much etc. Should clear up over weekend.Dear me, I wonder if this is a case of Caz' original comedy (stop hurting my ribs).
[...]Caz: What's all this talk about vampires?Caz
....Were you serious about the vampires or are you pulling it out of...literature?
I do not know if the bloodsuckers have reached Denmark, but the threat of any unholy force remains a constant. Just last night I heard a wailing from a chamber pot, and you try to tell me that this castle isn't haunted?
...
You do know that chamber pots are use for more..personal things, right? Natural personal things we humans do after consuming stuff.
Your choices, and those of several others, have no meaning in heraldry, which in and of itself means little. So, I merely wondered at your choices.I seriously doubt there'd be a way to out scum judging by heraldry because given my origin..yeah.
Sorry for lacking prodding. Sorta got emergency-ish busy in the past hours and catching up.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 31, 2014, 11:27:55 am
Initially my question to Cheeetar was going to be something about the scales on his shield and ruling fairly and justly or something, but I decided to make fun of it instead since it does look there's a horse on a stick on it.You were the first one I saw. As for the RP, it's interesting because it adds another layer of interaction to the game.
The question to Toaster is because I think I might know what he submitted as his image and because we are bros.
How come you ask me about questions over heraldry, when Imp asked a bunch more than me?
And what do you make of all this RP?
Caz:
I guess zero is a constant...Caz: What's all this talk about vampires?Caz
....Were you serious about the vampires or are you pulling it out of...literature?
I do not know if the bloodsuckers have reached Denmark, but the threat of any unholy force remains a constant.
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The ankh is a symbol of my house, of brighter and darker times. I won't tire you with the details.Yes you will.
makeinu:
Urist Imiknorris:I see myself more as a dwarf, really.
From a family of inventors comes a historian to the court. Underground inventors, nonetheless. Are you a gnome?
PFP
Post by: zombie urist on January 31, 2014, 02:53:16 pm
ZU: I meant to ask you- are you Danish? The *heim says yes, but the "von" throws me.Yep. ^_^
What are your thoughts on what might be gleaned from our heraldry, in game terms?Nothing.
not-feeling-like-a-zombie-today uristHow does that help you find scum? We got roles from hearlds, not the other way around. (Though that would be kinda fun)Imp: Why are almost all your questions flavor related when Vector said flavor isn't relevant to the game?That's a very strange question, ZU. The 'flavor' I asked about was primarily directly related to the shields - and those shields came from each player, for all the imagery has been filtered through another person's interpretation and artistic ability. Asking about these shields, both from the players who picked the imagery to be used and asking opinions of preference about the shields overall is a way to attempt to ellicit information about others' thought patterns and intentions. A successful way? We'll see. But psychologists play a little game involving ink blots and the impressions people get from such things... surely such a game doesn't only function through ink blots.
What purpose does a FoS serve in a kingmaker game, when you are not currently King?
The majority of questions I see are about 'flavor' of one taste or another, from character names to references of darkness and light, to the heraldry, to our character nationalities.
I asked the questions I did because they seem and feel appropriate to me to ask at that point in play. I'll refer you to the concept of RVS questioning, and how we just passed a N0 where we recieved flavor PMs (some more than others apparently) and how we were invited to interact with our moderator in a flavorful fashion. This game's flavor, one form of it or another, is very much on my mind now and when I selected those questions. Personally, I've been swimming in the theme of this game for the last dayish, and I'm finding it refreshing and enjoyable - it's close to exactly what my real-life wearied, stressed, and hassled spirit needed at this time. (Thank you, Vector and other flavor-and-other-game-content providers!)
Of all who ask about one flavor of the flavor or another, why do you focus on my focus upon it?
FoS is the same as every other game. Shows suspicion.
You focused the most on flavor.
Caz: Why are you so insistent on vampires?
UI: Why are you so against vampires?
Everyone: It'd be nice if you guys used blue as a make-shift vote so we can see your suspicions more clearly.
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 31, 2014, 05:07:10 pm
Jim: How long do you think this day will last?
Until Cheeetar executes somebody, of course.
I don't know how much time that's going to take. I seem like the wrong person to ask if you want an answer to that question.
unreadable
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I'm not going to waste any time trying to decipher whatever it is you're talking about. If there are any obstacles between me and your point, then I'm going to quit trying right there.
As for the RP, it's interesting because it adds another layer of interaction to the game.
Are you learning anything useful from all this RP?
Is this additional layer of interaction one you're going to participate in?
Caz: Why are you so insistent on vampires?
UI: Why are you so against vampires?
Why is anybody talking about vampires in the first place?
Yes, I know, because garlic. But it's still dumb.
Post by: Cheeetar on January 31, 2014, 07:06:47 pm
unreadableICspeak
I'm not going to waste any time trying to decipher whatever it is you're talking about. If there are any obstacles between me and your point, then I'm going to quit trying right there.
Sorry- I'm having perhaps a bit more fun with this than I should be. I'll be as blunt as possible when it comes to questioning and executing people.
Post by: Superblackcat on January 31, 2014, 07:09:04 pm
It's because in the Black Cat Manga, he refers to the killing as a 'gift of bad luck'. I'm not really sure if it really signifies anything, but the flavor text I've gotten seems to point to that it doesn't.
Post by: Cheeetar on January 31, 2014, 07:25:46 pm
Oh, I asked for a gift on my shield.
It's because in the Black Cat Manga, he refers to the killing as a 'gift of bad luck'. I'm not really sure if it really signifies anything, but the flavor text I've gotten seems to point to that it doesn't.
Suspect, please introduce yourself. A name, an occupation, perhaps your reason for being gathered on this council today would all be basic elements of an introduction.
Post by: Caz on January 31, 2014, 07:27:16 pm
I'm not going to waste any time trying to decipher whatever it is you're talking about. If there are any obstacles between me and your point, then I'm going to quit trying right there.
Because RP is fun, and trying to figure out people Day 1 is a crapshoot anyway.
I don't think that there are actually vampires. Where my character comes from there are... evil forces though. Not sure if they're connected to the traitors or if the assassins are just trying to steal the kingdom Game of Thrones-style.
Dear me, I wonder if this is a case of Caz' original comedy (stop hurting my ribs).
It's terrible, I'm sorry. :)
Post by: Superblackcat on January 31, 2014, 11:07:40 pm
Oh, I asked for a gift on my shield.
It's because in the Black Cat Manga, he refers to the killing as a 'gift of bad luck'. I'm not really sure if it really signifies anything, but the flavor text I've gotten seems to point to that it doesn't.
Suspect, please introduce yourself. A name, an occupation, perhaps your reason for being gathered on this council today would all be basic elements of an introduction.
Hey there, I'm still trying to figure out what I'm supposed to be telling you guys, in terms of my background.
I had this same problem in Paranormal >.>.
Anyways, The queen called me up as the (Direct quote) 'So-called hedgewitch'. From what I can tell, I'm kinda hedgewitchy, but not actually a hedgewitch. Also, The queens words within my PM directly affects me or something, I'm not completely certain, but it seems I can just do hedge-witch like stuff without actually being a hedgewitch :\.
So complicated :(
Oh, Apparently, I don't know I'm supposed to be a hedgewitch too! What lovely turn of events!
Post by: Tiruin on January 31, 2014, 11:55:21 pm
Hey there, I'm still trying to figure out what I'm supposed to be telling you guys, in terms of my background....?
I had this same problem in Paranormal >.>.
There should be specifics you're going to tell in terms of your background?
Same problem in Paranormal?
...
I'm missing a bit of wording here. Expound or reword, thanks.
So complicated :(What, exactly, is complicated?
You pulling the newbie card? :o
Post by: Superblackcat on February 01, 2014, 12:15:51 am
Like in paranormal, for that mass claim.
Also, the mechanics of this game is different from regular mafia, which makes it complicated, though it may be easier after I get used to it.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 12:23:54 am
Mostly, if I should give out my background, and how much I should give.Ehh? I doubt there's anything in the background which marks anything related to Mafia (I mean I really enjoyed mine and it had paragraphs of detailing 'how to make armor and weapons from willowwood'.)
Like in paranormal, for that mass claim.
Also, the mechanics of this game is different from regular mafia, which makes it complicated, though it may be easier after I get used to it.
I may be misunderstanding, but what do you think--what is in your mind when you're asked to 'give background info about you'?
...Also please don't cite Paranormal without saying which one you're referring to. :x It ain't good in trying to get to know you that way. State what you want to state.
And on the mechanics? *points at OP*
Or do you mean something else whichIdon'tunderstand?
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 01, 2014, 12:33:03 am
Like in paranormal, for that mass claim.
Oh, like in Paranormal, where you were scum, and you made a really bad fakeclaim during a massclaim that got you lynched?
Yeah, that's a tough question. I wonder why would you be worrying about something like that again.
Could it be because...? Nah, that's ridiculous. Utterly impossible. Completely out of the question.
Post by: Superblackcat on February 01, 2014, 12:47:13 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 01:12:53 am
...Other than Jim's explanation, I don't get what you mean, SBC.
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 03:18:44 am
Hey there, I'm still trying to figure out what I'm supposed to be telling you guys, in terms of my background.
I had this same problem in Paranormal >.>.
When you were scum?
'So-called hedgewitch'.
Called it on the dark forces btw. King should probably execute SBC first.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 01, 2014, 03:32:43 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 03:37:23 am
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A free witch?
Seriously, things should be better termed like knight errant..witch errant? xD
But yeah. That's a new term. o_O (I guess female version of hedge wizard)
Caz
Really now? Explain more on this.'So-called hedgewitch'.
Called it on the dark forces btw. King should probably execute SBC first.
Post by: TolyK on February 01, 2014, 03:39:23 am
TolyK: Don't remember playing with you yet. How would you describe your play style?As I answered this last game, pretty horrible. :P
I am horrible at actually scumhunting, and thus try to logically solve things (along with gut feeling).
To be clear, I am constituting a fact, not giving myself a get-out-of-jail-free card. I am fully aware that it's not an excuse to not scumhunt.
King Cheeetar, Superblackcat, TolyK, Toaster and Caz: Looking at the appearance of the various shields, which one do you like the most, which the least? Why?I like Mark II's due to it looking like a Clan Wolf coat of arms from Battletech/MechWarrior. :P
The least - Gwenhwyfar's, since it's bland and speaks of very high ambitions.
TolyK: Will you really post more? As in, more, this time? :II sincerely hope so.
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Also I'd like to see your input: how do you differ a town-scummy tell from a scum-tell?Hm. Town-scum tells usually occur from language fails, while scum tells occur from knowing too much, but pretending you don't not well enough.
If it's a strange wording of something (which looks suspicious), I'd call it a town-scummy tell, while a scum-tell would be a hint of knowing what the scum did.
TolyK: I like your character's name.Thanks! :D
TolyK: How in the world do you pronounce your last name? How can you suffer a word with so many consonants to live?My mother was a Danish immigrant, my father was Polish/Lithuanian, thus I came here and obtained the interest of the Queen. My mother also couldn't pronounce my (father's) last name, nor could the queen. :P
How are you on the council, given you're clearly not Danish? Same question to Tiruin. (As best I can tell, you two are the only non-Danes.) Tiruin, I'm also curious how you feel about not having any direct control over the lynch.
It's unusual for me, not having any vote (at least for now :P). I've only played one or two kingmaker games, and IRL at that.
Question post today.
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 03:50:06 am
Really now? Explain more on this.
She's a witch. Burn her.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 03:54:29 am
Caz- are you honest in your desire for Superblackcat to be executed?
Post by: TolyK on February 01, 2014, 04:11:21 am
(Oh, and I am a bit mistaken - the Queen was closest to pronouncing my last name, but still not quite. Very close, in fact.)
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 04:16:34 am
Caz- are you honest in your desire for Superblackcat to be executed?
Only in in-character terms. The dumbclaiming has set of more bells so far than anyone else, though.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 01, 2014, 04:23:53 am
Only in in-character terms.
Mind you, our characters all served on the Queen's council and in-character we are all reasonably familiar with each other and each other's histories. That Superblackcat is a hedge witch should not come as a surprise, at least to our characters.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 05:05:36 am
...Dumbclaiming?Caz- are you honest in your desire for Superblackcat to be executed?
Only in in-character terms. The dumbclaiming has set of more bells so far than anyone else, though.
What do you mean by dumbclaiming? And what bells?
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 05:26:03 am
...Dumbclaiming?Caz- are you honest in your desire for Superblackcat to be executed?
Only in in-character terms. The dumbclaiming has set of more bells so far than anyone else, though.
What do you mean by dumbclaiming? And what bells?
off* i cant type.
SBC has been the only one so far that is troubled by merely introducing himself. I think he's pretending to not know what to claim because he doesn't want to claim his real role i.e he's traitorous witch scum.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 05:33:43 am
Now that all gathered have been introduced, the judgement may begin. Don't use the questions I put to you as an excuse to spend the day simply answering. If another person is asked something which you wish to answer as well, you may do so.
(As much as I want to refer to everybody only by their character's name I'm aware of how possibly annoying that could be.)
Spoiler: Questions (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 05:49:31 am
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Giovanna/Tiruin- It is my suspicion that the assassins who killed our Queen are not the only threats to Denmark we should worry about during the length of these proceedings. Do you think there are any other factions or singular persons with hidden interests here, who might they be, and what would those interests be?Agents of Fortinbras, is my best guess--given the lacking knowledge about them and my best suspicions. As a generality, is my best guess. I've a sneaking suspicion that given this setup (kingmaker), there would be some tips and balances on either side--but that is heartfelt speculation from me, anyway.
But maybe I misunderstand, are there pluralities involved? (See: Orange)
I however will ask you this--are there any other reasons behind asking people about their background flavor that you've got there, King Cheeetar? How would you discern one who is socially challenged (meaning: newbie at these stuffs) from a true liar?
Sir Caz
SBC has been the only one so far that is troubled by merely introducing himself. I think he's pretending to not know what to claim because he doesn't want to claim his real role i.e he's traitorous witch scum.I do not suspect SBC/Kisa due to..(flavor)what she just said, and the obvious confused gaze in her face at that (..really. Hedge wizard. Hedge knight. Search it up. I believe female hedge wizard. :v).
Yet the only note I have of it is...how I value reading written work. I doubt it'd be as...transparent as...that.
Query for you: Why are you poking purely at flavor? I'm from Venice. Do you fear the wrath of Italy? Or probably me sending word to my family for them to rally powers of the Venetian arsenal?
In other words: I am curious of your motives. Do you believe that by background, alone, you can flush out the threats to Denmark and the Danish people?
Post by: TolyK on February 01, 2014, 06:22:40 am
* Angsar Danielsen calls for order in the councilroom.Just a note - I think red is a voting-only color, so it probably isn't a good idea to post stuff in red. Because you can't really lynch "* Angsar Danielsen calls for order in the councilroom." :P
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Tadeusz/TolyK- Why were you selected to be on the Queen's council?I came here with some interesting ideas, gathered from my homeland, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. There, we have a "sejm" that constantly "checks" the monarch and enacts laws. A constitutional monarchy, a truly democratic state.
It was these ideas that interested the Queen - she suggested I accept her offer to join her council and try to put these ideas into being.
As you permitted answering others' questions, I would like to voice my opinion as well.
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How much control should the King exert during the day? Should they attempt to be democratic and respect the wishes of the council, or go mostly by their own thoughts?Being democratic would much lower the chance that a traitor who became King could further their grip on the crown. Monarchs going against the wishes of the council should be looked at with suspicion.
And this is important to me because that's in the direction of what I'm striving for - a government with democratic ideals.
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How helpful do you think flavour is going to be in determining the alignment and abilities of each player?I think that the flavor is there for fun (as Vector said), and that, though it forms the basis of each player's role, you can't really get peoples' abilities from that, nor the alignment (say, you could have an old war doctor who wants revenge, etc.)
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 06:53:08 am
* Angsar Danielsen calls for order in the councilroom.Just a note - I think red is a voting-only color, so it probably isn't a good idea to post stuff in red. Because you can't really lynch "* Angsar Danielsen calls for order in the councilroom." :P
My bad- I using the default /me colour without thinking.
I however will ask you this--are there any other reasons behind asking people about their background flavor that you've got there, King Cheeetar? How would you discern one who is socially challenged (meaning: newbie at these stuffs) from a true liar?
There are two things I'm looking at- getting people talking given that it's Day 1, and trying to see any patterns. Vector mentioned that people with a chat may use it, and I thought that there was probably more than one group who had access to such a thing- looking into flavour could possibly be helpful in finding out which people might be in a faction with other people.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 06:55:47 am
Err, faction(s)? As in, more than one group with sekrit chats?I however will ask you this--are there any other reasons behind asking people about their background flavor that you've got there, King Cheeetar? How would you discern one who is socially challenged (meaning: newbie at these stuffs) from a true liar?
There are two things I'm looking at- getting people talking given that it's Day 1, and trying to see any patterns. Vector mentioned that people with a chat may use it, and I thought that there was probably more than one group who had access to such a thing- looking into flavour could possibly be helpful in finding out which people might be in a faction with other people.
What led to that suspicion?
Post by: TolyK on February 01, 2014, 07:04:51 am
What I'm saying is, there must be more to this than meets the eye. And as soon as someone in one of those groups gets sentenced by the King, at least one group is going to get some useful information.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 07:08:14 am
Err, faction(s)? As in, more than one group with sekrit chats?I however will ask you this--are there any other reasons behind asking people about their background flavor that you've got there, King Cheeetar? How would you discern one who is socially challenged (meaning: newbie at these stuffs) from a true liar?
There are two things I'm looking at- getting people talking given that it's Day 1, and trying to see any patterns. Vector mentioned that people with a chat may use it, and I thought that there was probably more than one group who had access to such a thing- looking into flavour could possibly be helpful in finding out which people might be in a faction with other people.
What led to that suspicion?
The "people with chats" wording was the thing that got me thinking of that, but also that the prequel to this mafia (The Lonely Prince) had many super special secret chats.
Post by: Imp on February 01, 2014, 07:17:30 am
In this day and age, when there's an emergency there's not many people to call on who could be hoped to be able and willing to help. You can turn to the Powers That Be, be that the Lords of the Lands or the Church, but for small common problems such grand powers offer little to the common person in need, because there are too many common people in need and way to much help needed.
When the baby won't come, when the cough won't stop, when the cows go dry, the runaway pig cannot be found, or your bad tooth is agony so much you cannot even scream - to a hedgewitch you turn. For a few eggs, a strech of cloth, a penny or two if you actually have coin to pay, the hedgewitch will do her best. Often, all too often, those in need die anyway, but if they can be saved the hedgewitch will save the life, locate what is lost, ease the pain.
Some few, very few of these people are said to have power; a second sight, an angel that watches over them, a hand that dowsing rods turn under when something sought is pointed towards, a something of some sort.
I'm far more concerned by other things Cat has said, than the role Cat claims.
Cat, when you posted this answer:
QuoteSuperblackcat: What is your gift?My, whatatata?
You guys should be able to guess which one is me... the herald makes it quite obvious.
You asked for a gift. You got one. What did you think when I asked you, "What is your gift?" I see your reaction that you posted. I'm asking you what you thought.
Caz, the sharp division between your IC and OOC 'stances' concerns me too. I've asked you more than one question that you've flat out ignored. Your IC and OOC attitudes and stances, to me they are all part of a whole and that whole is you and what I'm evaluating. You don't get 'out' of a situation by simply stepping out of the RP. Sure, you can respond to questions any way you please, but your response remains whatever it is. And you're ignoring my questions so far.
Your attitude this game reminds me greatly of how you treated me D1 of Supernatural 6. Granted, -this- game you're the one going out on limbs and making up stuff that sounds ridiculous to at least one other player - but I had an evidence trail when I did so that I believed clearly pointed at the vote I made. You're actually appearing to contradict yourself and baselessly be jumping at anything, everything, and nothing in a fairly random fashion, very possibly making up most or all of what you are throwing attention at, and while being just as hostile towards me as you were in S6. You were Scum that game, and the way it feels interacting with you now, especially your 'in character' stance, feels hostile, avoidant, and distractive. Why are you acting so Scummy?
zombie urist:
I can't spot your answer to this question from Tiruin, or any follow up from her asking more about it. Oversight? Answer forthcoming?
Also question, ZU: if you see someone scummy, how will you out them for the King-if said King was seen as inattentive to your words beforehand?
How does that help you find scum? We got roles from hearlds, not the other way around. (Though that would be kinda fun)
FoS is the same as every other game. Shows suspicion.
You focused the most on flavor.
The same way talking and interaction across a range of topics related to the game and gameplay ever finds Scum.
Do you believe that:
1) the person focusing most on flavor is Scum
2) that I as Scum focus greatly on flavor/I as Town do not
3) that you can't think of anything else suspicious about anyone and feel the need to appear suspicious of someone at this time
4) why else are you acting as you about this?
King Cheeetar:
Cille/Imp- How do you believe a person whom the Queen trusted enough to place on her council would be motivated to betray her in such a grievous fashion- did the Queen misjudge those she selected to mange her realm after her death somehow?
*Cille bows her head for a long moment before raising her face and answering*
You ask a difficult question, Lord. I do not know the answer. It is painful to accept that she has been betrayed and I cannot envision a motivation sufficient for one she took into her personal service to betray her trust and the purpose that Service to her gave. I do not know if the Queen misjudged, or if people who had once been worthy changed after their service began and somehow hid their nefarious intent. I do believe that our job will not be complete if we only find her assassin(s) though. Should she have any other enemies among us who had not yet struck, our task cannot be complete until they have been found and stopped as well.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 07:34:31 am
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 07:48:24 am
Oop, when does day end for that matter? I remember Jan27 for N0..
To my knowledge, the day ends only after I've decided who to execute.
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 08:59:49 am
Vivianus/Caz- Do you believe in the execution of not only traitors to the crown, but those in this council whose interests do not lie strictly in the preservation of the realm and dispatching of the assassins? If one were to reveal they had ulterior motives while here, would you advocate their execution at the potential cost of delaying the death of one of Fortinbra's men (assuming we are not sure on the identity of the assassins.)The assassins should be dealt with first as they're more of a threat imo. Unless we have no idea on the assassins and a sure pick on some other kind of traitor, then I'd stick to the main cause.
Tiruin
Sir CazWhat's the connection between hedge wizard and hedge knight?
I do not suspect SBC/Kisa due to..(flavor)what she just said, and the obvious confused gaze in her face at that (..really. Hedge wizard. Hedge knight. Search it up. I believe female hedge wizard. :v).
Yet the only note I have of it is...how I value reading written work. I doubt it'd be as...transparent as...that.
Query for you: Why are you poking purely at flavor? I'm from Venice. Do you fear the wrath of Italy? Or probably me sending word to my family for them to rally powers of the Venetian arsenal?I have no fear of men. I believe the assassins to be tainted by dark forces, and it's those that we should seek out, not trying to demonize foreigners.
In other words: I am curious of your motives. Do you believe that by background, alone, you can flush out the threats to Denmark and the Danish people?
Imp
Hedgewitches traditionally are about as harmless as a 'witch' can get,Ha!
Some few, very few of these people are said to have power;So you do admit, firstly that these witches have power, and that you see benefit in their existence? What did the witch offer you, old woman? Your eyes and health? You've sold your soul to the devil if you think that is true.
Caz, the sharp division between your IC and OOC 'stances' concerns me too. I've asked you more than one question that you've flat out ignoredWhat question was that?
Your attitude this game reminds me greatly of how you treated me D1 of Supernatural 6.You mean... I'm acting the same as in the only other game we've played together? :S So meta.
You're actually appearing to contradict yourself and baselessly be jumping at anything, everything, and nothing in a fairly random fashion, very possibly making up most or all of what you are throwing attention at, and while being just as hostile towards me as you were in S6. You were Scum that game, and the way it feels interacting with you now, especially your 'in character' stance, feels hostile, avoidant, and distractive. Why are you acting so Scummy?Eh, my character is a bit of a nut and I don't believe there are any real cases to be made so far. I suppose it's difficult to reconcile the RP and non-RP aspects of this game, never played a mafia set up quite like this. Don't worry, I'll settle down tomorrow when there's actually something to go on.
Urist
I guess zero is a constant...Why are you so flippant about the threats to this kingdom?
Yes you will.*sigh* Very well. In generations past, our noble house and it's servants were famed for the power of healing. True healing - not the rubbish and trickery of *glances at SBC* witches, but divine light. Those less talented sought to steal the power for themselves, and to do so they looked in dark places to steal the knowledge. The divine light failed to touch them, but they had whet their appetite for power and began to draw it from tainted earth - battlefields and graveyards, even hospitals where they sucked out the last breath of the dying, all for their own gain. To prevent them from ever succeeding in their plan, magic was banned, and the art of healing has been lost in the fires that we burn the unholy each day. The red ankh is a symbol of healing, but it is only a relic now. Perhaps one day the divine light will return to us, but it will not be this one.
Post by: Vector on February 01, 2014, 09:25:46 am
No worries about "submitting correctly" or whatever. You're all doing great.
Post by: Superblackcat on February 01, 2014, 12:06:20 pm
But since this is a game of sucking up to the king, and you don't seem super intent on lynching me, I suppose I'm fine :P. (well, among other stuff, but sucking up to the king to stay alive >.>)
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 01:25:18 pm
Cheetar: Not really, People seem happy to lynch me, especially Caz, and Jim, They keep talking about paranormal, and how I don't want to out. The funny thing is, I've told you more about my story then the both of them have added together. I merely said that I'm not sure if I should tell you this much.
It's more that you're worried than your actual claim. Why are you worried?
Post by: zombie urist on February 01, 2014, 03:11:45 pm
Louisa/Zombie Urist- What is your favourite flower?The Sunflower of course!~ Did you know the tallest sunflower on record stands at 8.23 meters? o_o" [1] (http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-1000/tallest-sunflower/)
zombie urist:Must have missed that question. I'd keep repeating myself and questioning the suspect until I get noticed.
I can't spot your answer to this question from Tiruin, or any follow up from her asking more about it. Oversight? Answer forthcoming?Also question, ZU: if you see someone scummy, how will you out them for the King-if said King was seen as inattentive to your words beforehand?How does that help you find scum? We got roles from hearlds, not the other way around. (Though that would be kinda fun)The same way talking and interaction across a range of topics related to the game and gameplay ever finds Scum.
FoS is the same as every other game. Shows suspicion.
You focused the most on flavor.
Do you believe that:
1) the person focusing most on flavor is Scum
2) that I as Scum focus greatly on flavor/I as Town do not
3) that you can't think of anything else suspicious about anyone and feel the need to appear suspicious of someone at this time
4) why else are you acting as you about this?
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Scum don't like scumhunting. Looking at flavor is often a way to avoid scumhunting, especially in this game where the mod said flavor is only for fun. You are focused on flavor -> you aren't really scumhunting -> you are scum.
Cheetar: Why do you seem worried about third parties? Why are you asking RVS questions so late into the day?
Caz: Why are you so insistent on vampires?Also Caz: Who are your main suspects at this time?
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 03:24:39 pm
Also Caz: Who are your main suspects at this time?
Dunno yet. Imp and makeinu have been active, but their questions mostly focus on flavour. Persus and SBC have posted the least so far, plus SBC is worried for some reason when I don't think he should be if he were town. It's hard to tell at this point, I'm glad I don't have the hammer lol.
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 03:25:54 pm
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 03:26:59 pm
I can't spot your answer to this question from Tiruin, or any follow up from her asking more about it. Oversight? Answer forthcoming?
Why are you following up Tiruin's questions for her?
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 01, 2014, 04:17:52 pm
Spoiler: Questions (click to show/hide)
Have you just been sitting on your hands this whole time? These are RV questions. Do you have anything more concrete to ask people?
Mark II/Jim- How helpful do you think flavour is going to be in determining the alignment and abilities of each player?
It isn't. It's perfectly possible that Vector and wubadiddlydoofus can assign any ability to any player and through use of flavor make it appropriate to that player's character and backstory.
Also, I shall repeat Vector's own words on the subject: flavor and mechanics are separated. Further, attempting to use flavor to learn about people's roles and abilities is frowned upon by our dear moderator.
What was even the point of this question? I can't think of any useful purpose this served.
They keep talking about paranormal, and how I don't want to out.
There's also that you have done fuckall all game.
You haven't done a single ounce of scumhunting or even bothered trying. You have only answered questions. And hesitated about claiming useless flavor, citing a situation where you were scum as an explanation for your hesitance.
But since this is a game of sucking up to the king, and you don't seem super intent on lynching me, I suppose I'm fine :P. (well, among other stuff, but sucking up to the king to stay alive >.>)
If I were king I would show you how far sucking up got you.
In case it isn't clear: You would be dead.
Clearly you're more interested in saving your ass than contributing usefully to the scumhunt.
Post by: makeinu on February 01, 2014, 05:18:21 pm
Viggo/Makeinu- I have found myself somewhat ill informed as to the situation to the north given the efforts I have had to made within the realm. I daresay a loyal knight such as yourself would make these matters his business to know. What is happening to the north, and how much do we know of those who slew our king apart from their allegiance to Fortinbra?
I have no such knowledge. Save that the Queen's assassin is in the employ of Fortinbras and most likely still disguised among us.
The hedgewitch is a possible candidate for such if the Queen was poisoned, as a skilled herbalist surely would know how to do that with surety. To my knowledge, her means of death remains unknown. The only oddity I can add is that even in death, her iron shoes could not be removed. That may be a clue of sorts, perhaps. SBC's behavior so far does not add any confidence that he was loyal to the Queen.
Post by: Superblackcat on February 01, 2014, 06:12:44 pm
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SBC has been the only one so far that is troubled by merely introducing himself. I think he's pretending to not know what to claim because he doesn't want to claim his real role i.e he's traitorous witch scum.
This is your case against me.
This is your 'introduction' :
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Vivanius of Austyn is I, servant to the council and our late queen. I will do my duty as I always have.
Mine :
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Hey there, I'm still trying to figure out what I'm supposed to be telling you guys, in terms of my background.
I had this same problem in Paranormal >.>.
Anyways, The queen called me up as the (Direct quote) 'So-called hedgewitch'. From what I can tell, I'm kinda hedgewitchy, but not actually a hedgewitch. Also, The queens words within my PM directly affects me or something, I'm not completely certain, but it seems I can just do hedge-witch like stuff without actually being a hedgewitch :\.
So complicated
Oh, Apparently, I don't know I'm supposed to be a hedgewitch too! What lovely turn of events!
You are attacking me for my introduction...
1) Do you see the difference in information?
2) Do you see why I would be cautious, since Vektor just had to make me a hedgewitch? By the way, I'm called to the meeting as the hedgewitch, but that may not be my actual occupation. My actual occupation is not stated. And it also says that I will carry on the Queen's will, and "My desire is to accept the queen's word". This seems like I am only a hedge-witch purely because the Queen asked me to be one, and in doing so, it gave me the power to be one...
Any questions?
Post by: Superblackcat on February 01, 2014, 06:13:46 pm
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Mark II/Jim- How helpful do you think flavour is going to be in determining the alignment and abilities of each player?
It isn't. It's perfectly possible that Vector and wubadiddlydoofus can assign any ability to any player and through use of flavor make it appropriate to that player's character and backstory.
Also, I shall repeat Vector's own words on the subject: flavor and mechanics are separated. Further, attempting to use flavor to learn about people's roles and abilities is frowned upon by our dear moderator.
What was even the point of this question? I can't think of any useful purpose this served.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 01, 2014, 06:28:42 pm
I mean, you don't have to answer it if you don't want to, but allow it to stand for the record of the court that you neglected to answer the accusations as soon as you were able to.
Post by: Superblackcat on February 01, 2014, 06:45:27 pm
Imp: I didn't see your question till now. I'd say that the hedge-witch is my gift. But It may just be my herald.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 01, 2014, 06:49:04 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 07:43:09 pm
Cheetar: Why do you seem worried about third parties? Why are you asking RVS questions so late into the day?
Because I'm not sure if I've found any scum, but I am sure that I've found a third party, and I'd like to know if people would like the third party lynched or somebody who I'm not sure of the identity of.
Have you just been sitting on your hands this whole time? These are RV questions. Do you have anything more concrete to ask people?Mark II/Jim- How helpful do you think flavour is going to be in determining the alignment and abilities of each player?
It isn't. It's perfectly possible that Vector and wubadiddlydoofus can assign any ability to any player and through use of flavor make it appropriate to that player's character and backstory.
Also, I shall repeat Vector's own words on the subject: flavor and mechanics are separated. Further, attempting to use flavor to learn about people's roles and abilities is frowned upon by our dear moderator.
What was even the point of this question? I can't think of any useful purpose this served.
I was waiting until everybody had at least posted something so I had a little to go on. This took a few days, which is irksome. I understand that flavour and mechanics are separated, but that doesn't mean that looking at flavour is entirely useless. For example, if somebody's flavour is that they really hated the Queen and then they killed her, this would be useful to know.
Also- it'd be just a little bit rude to have a game with flavour this well written and go the entire game without caring about it.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 07:55:33 pm
Really? Explain?Cheetar: Why do you seem worried about third parties? Why are you asking RVS questions so late into the day?
Because I'm not sure if I've found any scum, but I am sure that I've found a third party, and I'd like to know if people would like the third party lynched or somebody who I'm not sure of the identity of.
Why do you propose the second orange part in conclusion with the first without explaining it?
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 08:09:31 pm
So, I think Caz is a lyncher. The question is if he would be at all harmful as a lyncher if he's not selected as King, now that people know his ulterior motive.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 08:23:55 pm
I've to point out that Caz reacted...somewhat IC-ly (detected in how you read his wording) towards Imp, though. His 'aggression' towards SBC stems purely on him calling him out as 'Witch'; check his response to Jim Groovester when he backs out from the IC note.
I think Caz is just tired but is posting to show his intent-though even if not direct. Given how he said (by memory/paraphrased) he'll get back into the game tomorrow-ish.
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In addition to this, his publicly available flavour (and here is where Jim is likely to yell at me) listed him as belonging to a royal house which focuses on hunting witches- he was initially reluctant to reveal any information about his character or house.What did I say on connecting flavor to the role. ::)
So, I think Caz is a lyncher.
For example: I claimed border knight-that's gotta mean some kind of doctor/guardian. I'm neither a doctor nor a guardian.
See the logic?
Now back to my query:
Note (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4971819#msg4971819) on flavor points. It's too..vague to hold some kind of linking logic or conclusion behind it.
Why do I feel like you're basing much more on flavor to make a decision?
How will you choose who to execute if everyone plays 'correct', to use the conventional term?
I seriously thought all my questions were answered and thanks Imp!I can't spot your answer to this question from Tiruin, or any follow up from her asking more about it. Oversight? Answer forthcoming?
Why are you following up Tiruin's questions for her?
Meaning: I don't mind that she did so. Really.
Post by: Superblackcat on February 01, 2014, 08:25:00 pm
What part of me saying that you're not scumhunting gives you the idea that I'm talking about flavor?
Because you aren't scumhunting, or if you are, you are scumhunting off of flavor.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 08:30:17 pm
?! Lyncher?
I've to point out that Caz reacted...somewhat IC-ly (detected in how you read his wording) towards Imp, though. His 'aggression' towards SBC stems purely on him calling him out as 'Witch'; check his response to Jim Groovester when he backs out from the IC note.
I think Caz is just tired but is posting to show his intent-though even if not direct. Given how he said (by memory/paraphrased) he'll get back into the game tomorrow-ish.QuoteIn addition to this, his publicly available flavour (and here is where Jim is likely to yell at me) listed him as belonging to a royal house which focuses on hunting witches- he was initially reluctant to reveal any information about his character or house.What did I say on connecting flavor to the role. ::)
So, I think Caz is a lyncher.
For example: I claimed border knight-that's gotta mean some kind of doctor/guardian. I'm neither a doctor nor a guardian.
See the logic?
Caz was hesitant about revealing his flavour. If his flavour weren't relevant, you'd think that he'd have no problem talking about it. He, however, did.
Now back to my query:
Note (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4971819#msg4971819) on flavor points. It's too..vague to hold some kind of linking logic or conclusion behind it.
Why do I feel like you're basing much more on flavor to make a decision?
How will you choose who to execute if everyone plays 'correct', to use the conventional term?
I'm not going to use flavour to decide who to execute- it was a neat little thing that made me even more suspicious of Caz, but in general I'll go for whoever's acting the most scummy- low content, poor reasoning, stuff like that.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 08:34:49 pm
What part of me saying that you're not scumhunting gives you the idea that I'm talking about flavor?
Because you aren't scumhunting, or if you are, you are scumhunting off of flavor.
I'm not sure he is.
Spoiler: For example (click to show/hide)
The two main points I see against you from Jim are not really related to the flavour you've claimed- instead, they're about how you've done no scumhunting this game, and that you were very reluctant to claim your flavour and it may be related to how the last time you claimed anything you got lynched.
Post by: Tiruin on February 01, 2014, 08:38:08 pm
Caz was hesitant about revealing his flavour. If his flavour weren't relevant, you'd think that he'd have no problem talking about it. He, however, did.Before I remark on this...I forward the same interest onto you, Caz. Why is withholding being vampire killers something of secrecy? (I mean, compared to my reason for withholding mine [really, for brevity and conciseness-I doubt anyone would love to hear the many journeys and adventures of Giovanna as she slew the knight of the hinterlands with wooden weaponry, and met the Captain of the Guard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OldMaster) who was part of the Queensguard along the way..])
Though I wonder if you got it from brevity or lacking details. Is it interesting to you?
SBC: So...could you detail why you're engrossed by Cheeetar's flavor-request and lack any questions towards anyone else?
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 08:48:08 pm
When he mentioned his flavour, he simply said 'I served the Queen and will continue to do this thing', without any further explanation when prompted. It was only later, after he had made several other posts, that he presented a carefully manicured post in response to the topic that carefully managed to avoid mentioning that the supposed main purpose of his house was now hunting witches.
Post by: Caz on February 01, 2014, 09:53:20 pm
So, I think Caz is a lyncher. The question is if he would be at all harmful as a lyncher if he's not selected as King, now that people know his ulterior motive.
Ah, nope. It's a good idea, but the flavour and roles being separate in the game is confusing matters I think. In RP terms we should kill all witches, but that doesn't mean that SBC is an evil Queen-killing witch or that my goal is to lynch witches (it isn't). Kinda annoying. I love the flavour of this game but it's pretty obvious that RPing is really making the scumhunting more difficult. Maybe I'll put my RP postings in a different colour or something.
I think Caz is just tired
I'm always tired. D: I made my last posts at some sort of early time so they probably don't make sense but idgaf at this point now I'm posting at 2am and it's even worse oh well.
Caz was hesitant about revealing his flavour. If his flavour weren't relevant, you'd think that he'd have no problem talking about it. He, however, did.
Also rp... couldn't be bothered typing a post. I r so lazy lynch me. (no no no bad idea)
Before I remark on this...I forward the same interest onto you, Caz.Interest what. Do what?
I don't want to sound like a jerk- I haven't played with either SBC or Caz before, and my opinion is fairly worthless. It's just that Caz doesn't seem like he doesn't know how to play the game, and SBC does seem less experienced. It doesn't mean I think either are better or worse players.Double-negative! Yes! I am good! I think? Didn't know SBC was relatively new. Might have to re-evaluate that.
It was only later, after he had made several other posts, that he presented a carefully manicured post in response to the topic that carefully managed to avoid mentioning that the supposed main purpose of his house was now hunting witches."carefully manicured" oh you're a flatterer. I was going to proofread that because of the run-on sentences, but... again lazy. I should really put more effort into this game seeing all the effort the mod has put into it. Yes. This is on the list of things I will do.
I will actually pick at stuff tomorrow. Tonight is just... answering things badly. Really not helping myself here. Derp.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 01, 2014, 10:11:06 pm
They keep talking about paranormal, and how I don't want to out.
There's also that you have done fuckall all game.
You haven't done a single ounce of scumhunting or even bothered trying. You have only answered questions. And hesitated about claiming useless flavor, citing a situation where you were scum as an explanation for your hesitance.
Jim, are you always this hyperbolic in Mafia? It's a bit early to be referring to his behaviour for the entire game, given that it's still day 1.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 02, 2014, 03:37:31 am
Jim, are you always this hyperbolic in Mafia? It's a bit early to be referring to his behaviour for the entire game, given that it's still day 1.
I'm usually this strongly condemning, yeah. Hyperbolic, ehhhhhhhhh, probably. If I speak in strong terms it's because I feel strongly.
It's technically true that his behavior all game long has been unimpressive. But Day 1's been going on for a couple days now; plenty of time to get into some sort of groove and Superblackcat has yet to actually do anything so aggressive as ask a question.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 02, 2014, 05:08:16 am
UI: Why are you so against vampires?Because I'm not some superstitious nut. What's your opinion on vampires?
Jim:
Are you learning anything useful from all this RP?Not yet, but it is something I'm going to be keeping an eye on.
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Is this additional layer of interaction one you're going to participate in?Hell no. What do I look like, someone who plays forum games?
TolyK:
Question post today.It's tomorrow now. Where is it?
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To be clear, I am constituting a fact, not giving myself a get-out-of-jail-free card. I am fully aware that it's not an excuse to not scumhunt.Noted.
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Hm. Town-scum tells usually occur from language fails, while scum tells occur from knowing too much, but pretending you don't not well enough.Would you care to give an example or two of each, preferably from this game?
If it's a strange wording of something (which looks suspicious), I'd call it a town-scummy tell, while a scum-tell would be a hint of knowing what the scum did.
King Cheeetar:
Rød/Urist- Who did you think the Kingmaker was going to be prior to the game beginning, and has their choice changed your mind?I was willing to bet good money on it being Persus/Gwenhwyfar, and I don't see how an uninformed N0 choice could change my mind.
* Angsar Danielsen calls for order in the councilroom.The [me] tag is your friend.
Caz:
UristI'm not, I just highly doubt they're supernatural in origin. See my answer to ZU.I guess zero is a constant...Why are you so flippant about the threats to this kingdom?
Additionally, could you please do something to visibly distinguish IC from OOC from now on? It would make your opinions and positions understandable.
SBC:
Cheetar: Not really, People seem happy to lynch me, especially Caz, and Jim, They keep talking about paranormal, and how I don't want to out. The funny thing is, I've told you more about my story then the both of them have added together. I merely said that I'm not sure if I should tell you this much.You're deflecting.
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But since this is a game of sucking up to the king, and you don't seem super intent on lynching me, I suppose I'm fine :P. (well, among other stuff, but sucking up to the king to stay alive >.>)The fuck? No. No. No. This is a game about making sure the King lynches the person who you think is scum.
Who do you think is scum and why? Note that "they want to lynch me" is not an appropriate explanation.
makeinu:
The only oddity I can add is that even in death, her iron shoes could not be removed.In loving memory of Queen Leafsnail.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 02, 2014, 05:12:18 am
Oh, so this worry about dark forces is based on experience then? This is very interesting.Yes you will.*sigh* Very well. In generations past, our noble house and it's servants were famed for the power of healing. True healing - not the rubbish and trickery of *glances at SBC* witches, but divine light. Those less talented sought to steal the power for themselves, and to do so they looked in dark places to steal the knowledge. The divine light failed to touch them, but they had whet their appetite for power and began to draw it from tainted earth - battlefields and graveyards, even hospitals where they sucked out the last breath of the dying, all for their own gain. To prevent them from ever succeeding in their plan, magic was banned, and the art of healing has been lost in the fires that we burn the unholy each day. The red ankh is a symbol of healing, but it is only a relic now. Perhaps one day the divine light will return to us, but it will not be this one.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 02, 2014, 06:39:41 am
I am Tadeusz Brzęczyszczykiewicz (just Tadeusz, even formally). I gave some information about my parents and where I'm from last post, but I'll elaborate a bit more here. My mother was the descendant of a noble Danish family. My father died while fighting some Prussians, and my mother died later to eating poisonous berries. I decided to go to Denmark with a merchant caravan.
(Oh, and I am a bit mistaken - the Queen was closest to pronouncing my last name, but still not quite. Very close, in fact.)
How exactly do you pronounce your name?
Post by: TolyK on February 02, 2014, 06:54:46 am
Ta-dei-ush Bszen-chi-shchi-kye-vitchI am Tadeusz Brzęczyszczykiewicz (just Tadeusz, even formally).How exactly do you pronounce your name?
:P
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 02, 2014, 07:38:41 am
Working on reply to UI (ba-dum-tshhh)I don't get it.
Post by: Superblackcat on February 02, 2014, 12:19:27 pm
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SBC:QuoteCheetar: Not really, People seem happy to lynch me, especially Caz, and Jim, They keep talking about paranormal, and how I don't want to out. The funny thing is, I've told you more about my story then the both of them have added together. I merely said that I'm not sure if I should tell you this much.You're deflecting.
Here is the question:
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Kisa/SuperBlackCat- I may have endangered you by pressuring you into revealing your position as 'hedgewitch'. Do you believe yourself to be in a dangerous situation now that you have revealed this information?
The answer was. "not really". In what way did I deflect the question?
Where did I deflect? Why are you trying to pull non-existent threads into pressure? Can't you find actual, real, evidence?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 02, 2014, 12:37:44 pm
Now answer my other question.
Post by: zombie urist on February 02, 2014, 01:01:32 pm
Because I'm not some superstitious nut. What's your opinion on vampires?I don't think they fit into this game's setting.
Cheetar: Why do you think he's lyncher and not scum? And why lyncher of all 3rd parties?
I'm not going to use flavour to decide who to execute- it was a neat little thing that made me even more suspicious of Caz, but in general I'll go for whoever's acting the most scummy- low content, poor reasoning, stuff like that.You never said Caz was supicious before. What made you suspect him before?
Post by: TolyK on February 02, 2014, 01:02:48 pm
TolyK:No, it's today now. :PQuestion post today.It's tomorrow now. Where is it?
Unfortunately, that will have to wait a bit. :( I only got one question so far.
Quote from: UI
Quote from: TolyKHm. Town-scum tells usually occur from language fails, while scum tells occur from knowing too much, but pretending you don't not well enough.Would you care to give an example or two of each, preferably from this game?
If it's a strange wording of something (which looks suspicious), I'd call it a town-scummy tell, while a scum-tell would be a hint of knowing what the scum did.
There's been a lot of fuss over flavor, such as SBC's hedgewitch or the garlic.
I can't give an example of the mentioned scum-tell since nobody has even done anything yet, thus people can't know about negative actions or kills, but I've noticed in
past games where I (as scum) accidentally give out to know more than I actually should.
I just realized I didn't answer this question, and some other things.
Tolyk:Huh. I could tell who I wouldn't (the King, since he's being very thoughtful :P), but who I would kill... Jim? I don't really have all the information I need, but I'd
If you were one of the assassins, and had to make the choice of whom to kill right now, who would it be? Why?
be afraid of playing scum against Jim. :P
Brzęczyszczykiewicz is almost certainly Polish.Yup.
Caz, why are you separating IC and OOC? You are still the same character, so why the differentiation? Are you trying to lose responsibility for (half of) your actions?
On a slightly related note, this is what's going through my head whenever I think of this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T5unM0YpDY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T5unM0YpDY)
PPE:
TolyK: Please ask one of Perses, Tiruin, and Toaster a question.Bah. I will (not quite today :(), but why exactly one of these three?
Post by: makeinu on February 02, 2014, 01:45:39 pm
Working on reply to UI (ba-dum-tshhh), but here's a quickie:Ta-dei-ush Bszen-chi-shchi-kye-vitchI am Tadeusz Brzęczyszczykiewicz (just Tadeusz, even formally).How exactly do you pronounce your name?
:P
Gesundheit.
I disagree that flavour is separate from mechanics. Our roles were based on the heraldry we submitted, which was all flavor. If mechanics/roles were based on flavor, then can the two really actually be separate?
Post by: Toaster on February 02, 2014, 03:47:51 pm
Maren/Toaster- How much control should the King exert during the day? Should they attempt to be democratic and respect the wishes of the council, or go mostly by their own thoughts?
The King should take into account the views and opinions of all players, but in the end it is his/her decision alone. A sign of a scum king is one who executes a townie and then tries to blame others. The king makes the verdict- it is his/her responsibility.
Rød/Urist- Who did you think the Kingmaker was going to be prior to the game beginning, and has their choice changed your mind?
What is the purpose of this question? It sounds like fishing of some sort.
TolyK: Fair enough.
Tiruin:
Query for you Toaster: Why do you think non-Danish has a special significant to note than Danish? That's sorta...biased, and I have a feeling you may agree.
However, why so? Or why not?
I will be happy to answer that question after TolyK and ZU answer my questions on the subject.
I don't think it's relevant at all. I wanted to see if anyone got defensive over it. Nobody did, so I no longer care.
Zombie U:
TolyK: Please ask one of Perses, Tiruin, and Toaster a question.
This is extremely anemic. What's the point?
Makeinu:
I disagree that flavour is separate from mechanics. Our roles were based on the heraldry we submitted, which was all flavor. If mechanics/roles were based on flavor, then can the two really actually be separate?
I interpret the ruling as alignment is separate from flavor. Abilities may not be so much, but there's no point in chasing that down, since it's essentially rolefishing. Plus, any flavor can be twisted to multiple abilities. For example, let's take the Knight example. That could be a vig (has and uses a sword), a doc (watches over people), a watcher (see above), a reviver (lots of armor), cannot be NKed (*lots* of armor), or several other things.
In this game, flavor is fun and that's it. I hold anyone as suspicious who works with flavor in lieu of scumhunting. People like Caz.
Caz: Can't believe I let this slip earlier:
I'm not going to waste any time trying to decipher whatever it is you're talking about. If there are any obstacles between me and your point, then I'm going to quit trying right there.
Because RP is fun, and trying to figure out people Day 1 is a crapshoot anyway.
That's crap. It's totally possible to find scum D1, and giving up beforehand is at best lazy and at worst scum avoiding work. I want your top two suspects and why.
Post by: makeinu on February 02, 2014, 03:52:50 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 02, 2014, 05:58:50 pm
...Working on reply to UI (ba-dum-tshhh), but here's a quickie:Ta-dei-ush Bszen-chi-shchi-kye-vitchI am Tadeusz Brzęczyszczykiewicz (just Tadeusz, even formally).How exactly do you pronounce your name?
:P
Gesundheit.
I disagree that flavour is separate from mechanics. Our roles were based on the heraldry we submitted, which was all flavor. If mechanics/roles were based on flavor, then can the two really actually be separate?
...
I thoroughly disagree with this. We're talking about Webadict making the roles.
You know when Webadict makes the roles.
Hilarious stoofs happen.
Meaning: No, really. Flavor =/= mechanics =/= abilities.
..
I bloody know.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 02, 2014, 06:21:48 pm
Cheetar: Why do you think he's lyncher and not scum? And why lyncher of all 3rd parties?I'm not going to use flavour to decide who to execute- it was a neat little thing that made me even more suspicious of Caz, but in general I'll go for whoever's acting the most scummy- low content, poor reasoning, stuff like that.You never said Caz was supicious before. What made you suspect him before?
Scum are just trying to kill everybody. It looked like Caz was trying to get one person in particular lynched. In the post you quoted, I explained my reasoning.
Post by: zombie urist on February 02, 2014, 07:31:13 pm
This is extremely anemic. What's the point?This is something Bookthras did and was very annoying to deal with as scum. Also he hasn't really asked any questions to anyone yet.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 02, 2014, 07:37:36 pm
Cheetar: I see reasoning on why you became more suspicious. When did you originally become suspicious of him and why?
Errr... If you're taking issue with my use of 'more', see my post in this way: I was suspicious because of xyz, and then flavour made me MORE suspicious. Understandable?
Post by: Cheeetar on February 02, 2014, 07:38:21 pm
Alright. Caz twigged as soon as SBC mentioned that he was a witch, and has been fairly aggressive over that (while still claiming to not actually be being aggressive but simply roleplaying). He also stated that he'd only want the assassins to be focused on, and third parties to be mostly ignored in favour of going for scum. The issues he's taken with the way SBC is acting do seem to be mostly related to SBC being new to Mafia. In addition to this, his publicly available flavour (and here is where Jim is likely to yell at me) listed him as belonging to a royal house which focuses on hunting witches- he was initially reluctant to reveal any information about his character or house.
So, I think Caz is a lyncher. The question is if he would be at all harmful as a lyncher if he's not selected as King, now that people know his ulterior motive.
There! Sorry.
Post by: Tiruin on February 02, 2014, 07:40:20 pm
...So what Bookthras did has something to what you did there..why? 'As scum'...what?This is extremely anemic. What's the point?This is something Bookthras did and was very annoying to deal with as scum. Also he hasn't really asked any questions to anyone yet.
Do you see relevances or similarities between TolyK and ol'Book?
Toaster
Makeinu:Tiiiny note but maybe that's just me noticing stuffs. I read the orange part in a way that somewhat tells of how stuffs work. Detail those ideas?I disagree that flavour is separate from mechanics. Our roles were based on the heraldry we submitted, which was all flavor. If mechanics/roles were based on flavor, then can the two really actually be separate?
I interpret the ruling as alignment is separate from flavor. Abilities may not be so much, but there's no point in chasing that down, since it's essentially rolefishing. Plus, any flavor can be twisted to multiple abilities. For example, let's take the Knight example. That could be a vig (has and uses a sword), a doc (watches over people), a watcher (see above), a reviver (lots of armor), cannot be NKed (*lots* of armor), or several other things.
TolyK
I see uncertainty, and I see Jim. Does Jim relevant to uncertainty?Tolyk:Huh. I could tell who I wouldn't (the King, since he's being very thoughtful :P), but who I would kill... Jim? I don't really have all the information I need, but I'd
If you were one of the assassins, and had to make the choice of whom to kill right now, who would it be? Why?
be afraid of playing scum against Jim. :P
Also why specifically Jim?
Also2: Anything on your mind or are you not curious on asking us things? What are your thoughts on the Kingmaker setup?
Caz
-snoop-I await your clarity. Like, today-ish.
Also that thing where you asked me 'what' was "I am also interested in seeing your answer to Cheeetar's query."
PPE: King!
Wherein xyz is...?Cheetar: I see reasoning on why you became more suspicious. When did you originally become suspicious of him and why?
Errr... If you're taking issue with my use of 'more', see my post in this way: I was suspicious because of xyz, and then flavour made me MORE suspicious. Understandable?
Post by: Cheeetar on February 02, 2014, 07:46:09 pm
Post by: Vector on February 02, 2014, 08:54:38 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on February 02, 2014, 09:07:43 pm
Post by: Toaster on February 02, 2014, 10:44:43 pm
This is extremely anemic. What's the point?This is something Bookthras did and was very annoying to deal with as scum. Also he hasn't really asked any questions to anyone yet.
He also usually said "and" instead of "or." But whatever.
Tiruin:
ToasterMakeinu:Tiiiny note but maybe that's just me noticing stuffs. I read the orange part in a way that somewhat tells of how stuffs work. Detail those ideas?I disagree that flavour is separate from mechanics. Our roles were based on the heraldry we submitted, which was all flavor. If mechanics/roles were based on flavor, then can the two really actually be separate?
I interpret the ruling as alignment is separate from flavor. Abilities may not be so much, but there's no point in chasing that down, since it's essentially rolefishing. Plus, any flavor can be twisted to multiple abilities. For example, let's take the Knight example. That could be a vig (has and uses a sword), a doc (watches over people), a watcher (see above), a reviver (lots of armor), cannot be NKed (*lots* of armor), or several other things.
Errr... not sure what you're looking for here? The first one, picture a guy so big and tough and armor-clad that one attack isn't enough to take him down (also like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosts%27n_Goblins)). For the second, picture someone even tougher, someone that simply can't be beaten in a fight.
Post by: Vector on February 02, 2014, 10:49:04 pm
Okay! I just got back from looking at housing. I'm going to make myself dinner and start the laundry, and then ~flavor~ *_*
... Actually, I really need to take the night off, so I'm going to wait on this until tomorrow morning. Never fear!
Thanks for your patience, folks. I'm still getting used to the workload of running a game again--been a while since Lonely Prince. Getting back into the swing of things now, though :]
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 12:26:08 am
Tiruin::OToasterMakeinu:Tiiiny note but maybe that's just me noticing stuffs. I read the orange part in a way that somewhat tells of how stuffs work. Detail those ideas?I disagree that flavour is separate from mechanics. Our roles were based on the heraldry we submitted, which was all flavor. If mechanics/roles were based on flavor, then can the two really actually be separate?
I interpret the ruling as alignment is separate from flavor. Abilities may not be so much, but there's no point in chasing that down, since it's essentially rolefishing. Plus, any flavor can be twisted to multiple abilities. For example, let's take the Knight example. That could be a vig (has and uses a sword), a doc (watches over people), a watcher (see above), a reviver (lots of armor), cannot be NKed (*lots* of armor), or several other things.
Errr... not sure what you're looking for here? The first one, picture a guy so big and tough and armor-clad that one attack isn't enough to take him down (also like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosts%27n_Goblins)). For the second, picture someone even tougher, someone that simply can't be beaten in a fight.
Well honestly, I was thinking that more of a subtle slip that you were a killer or whatever thoughts in your subconscious were due to the armor thing--what I understand of armor is the realistic type (the word "lots" really meant TONS OF SUPER ARMOR, which is like the usual assumption (http://www.ducksters.com/history/middle_ages/knight_plate_armor_blank_labeled.jpg) but more like someone with ludicrous amounts of armor (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110714103652/aq/images/5/59/Tank_Knight.png) [nostalgic, that one])
I mean, the usual thoughts I'd assume if I thought of a bulletproof-type is 'able-in-battle and veteran of fights'. So...diverging thoughts and stuff, I believe.
Also when you say 'Reviver', I'm thinking much more of the Knight from Meph's Paranormal--compare that to your later statement and I guess you'd get my thinking there.
>_>Okay! I just got back from looking at housing. I'm going to make myself dinner and start the laundry, and then ~flavor~ *_*
... Actually, I really need to take the night off, so I'm going to wait on this until tomorrow morning. Never fear!
Thanks for your patience, folks. I'm still getting used to the workload of running a game again--been a while since Lonely Prince. Getting back into the swing of things now, though :]
<_<
Rest moar Vector!
We'll not worry that much over it given how dedicated you are. So aspiring. Glad to hear! :)
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 03, 2014, 08:14:11 am
Well honestly, I was thinking that more of a subtle slip that you were a killer or whatever thoughts in your subconscious were due to the armor thingWhat effect would this have on your read of him?
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 08:40:55 am
...Not much on malevolence or not, really. Just to know more about how his thoughts go here. It was an assumption so I decided it best to ask him directly and analyze from there.Well honestly, I was thinking that more of a subtle slip that you were a killer or whatever thoughts in your subconscious were due to the armor thingWhat effect would this have on your read of him?
Post by: Toaster on February 03, 2014, 10:15:13 am
Also, reviver in a Mafia context means someone with a one-shot revive on (any) death.
Post by: Persus13 on February 03, 2014, 11:45:50 am
Persus13:Because that was an amazing coincidence I didn't notice until the game started.
If your shield is, as you imply, not related to this situation, then why 13 golden crowns?
King Cheeetar:Why? The Kingmaker is chosen randomly.Rød/Urist- Who did you think the Kingmaker was going to be prior to the game beginning, and has their choice changed your mind?I was willing to bet good money on it being Persus/Gwenhwyfar, and I don't see how an uninformed N0 choice could change my mind.
SBC:
You planning on getting involved?
What are other people's thoughts on the thing about multiple factions?
Post by: Cheeetar on February 03, 2014, 12:36:52 pm
How satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 03, 2014, 01:14:20 pm
Has breakfast arrived yet? If we are going to find this traitor, it should be on a full stomach. Hunger clouds the mind.Why did you refer to a singular traitor?
Persus13:
Why? The Kingmaker is chosen randomly.Where do the rules say that?
Post by: TolyK on February 03, 2014, 01:26:49 pm
TolyK: Fair enough.This is in response to... my reply to as why I'm here, right?
Tiruin:
TolyK(1) Kinda - since I don't have information today, I would kill the guy I'd most be afraid of as scum. (2) He's that guy in this case, because he is very experienced and (afair) pointed me out as scum way too easily. >.> Also, as he said, he's usually strongly condemning and pushing, which really gets my on the edge regardless of faction. :P1. I see uncertainty, and I see Jim. Does Jim relevant to uncertainty?Tolyk:Huh. I could tell who I wouldn't (the King, since he's being very thoughtful :P), but who I would kill... Jim? I don't really have all the information I need, but I'd be afraid of playing scum against Jim. :P
If you were one of the assassins, and had to make the choice of whom to kill right now, who would it be? Why?
2. Also why specifically Jim?
3. Also2: Anything on your mind or are you not curious on asking us things? What are your thoughts on the Kingmaker setup?
(3) I wanted to finish rereading before asking questions (rather, I make questions as I reread). I already shared my thoughts on how it's different to play a Kingmaker, or do you mean something else?
What are other people's thoughts on the thing about multiple factions?As I said, I'm pretty sure we have more than one faction with a chat. :P
"Reply" and "U.I." rhyme.Working on reply to UI (ba-dum-tshhh)I don't get it.
<.<
QUESTION TIME!
SBC: How do you feel about people "ganging up on you because of flavor"? (NOT a direct quote, but what seems to be your text on the matter.) I also know from experience that getting questioned a lot causes you to have less time to scumhunt, which in turn causes more fire to be thrown your way. My question is, how do you plan on getting out of this cycle?
Toaster:
Basically, you are saying that anyone who looks through flavor a potential rolefisher, correct? Also, these examples are taken from the top of your head, yes?--I interpret the ruling as alignment is separate from flavor. Abilities may not be so much, but there's no point in chasing that down, since it's essentially rolefishing. Plus, any flavor can be twisted to multiple abilities. For example, let's take the Knight example. That could be a vig (has and uses a sword), a doc (watches over people), a watcher (see above), a reviver (lots of armor), cannot be NKed (*lots* of armor), or several other things.
Quote from: Toaster
In this game, flavor is fun and that's it. I hold anyone as suspicious who works with flavor in lieu of scumhunting. People like Caz.Although I agree that giving up is not the best idea, how likely do you think it is that we'll actually find scum D1 (instead of, say, a newer player that failed and is feeling overwhelmed)? I'm not saying that SBC shouldn't be under suspicion, but concentrating on him (for example) might be a bad idea. Thus, who is your second suspect and why?
Caz: Can't believe I let this slip earlier:That's crap. It's totally possible to find scum D1, and giving up beforehand is at best lazy and at worst scum avoiding work. I want your top two suspects and why.I'm not going to waste any time trying to decipher whatever it is you're talking about. If there are any obstacles between me and your point, then I'm going to quit trying right there.Because RP is fun, and trying to figure out people Day 1 is a crapshoot anyway.
Tiruin
PFPI'm guessing you probably got one in your role? :P (Joke question, to make that clear)I disagree that flavour is separate from mechanics. Our roles were based on the heraldry we submitted, which was all flavor. If mechanics/roles were based on flavor, then can the two really actually be separate?I thoroughly disagree with this. We're talking about Webadict making the roles.
You know when Webadict makes the roles.
Hilarious stoofs happen.
Meaning: No, really. Flavor =/= mechanics =/= abilities.
I bloody know.
PPE: Bah, long post.
Post by: Toaster on February 03, 2014, 01:47:33 pm
Toaster:TolyK: Fair enough.This is in response to... my reply to as why I'm here, right?
A-yup. Spoiler alert: I'm lazy and don't want to bother to quote for a two word response.
Toaster:Basically, you are saying that anyone who looks through flavor a potential rolefisher, correct? Also, these examples are taken from the top of your head, yes?--I interpret the ruling as alignment is separate from flavor. Abilities may not be so much, but there's no point in chasing that down, since it's essentially rolefishing. Plus, any flavor can be twisted to multiple abilities. For example, let's take the Knight example. That could be a vig (has and uses a sword), a doc (watches over people), a watcher (see above), a reviver (lots of armor), cannot be NKed (*lots* of armor), or several other things.
Not exactly. Keeping the knight example, someone who says "What's your background? Knight? Ah, cool," isn't rolefishing. Trying to delve deeper to tease out abilities may be. "You're a knight? What kind of knightly things are you good at?" Though, really, with Vector clearly stating that flavor is a separate entity, even that probably isn't rolefishing.
It's still scummy if someone plays with flavor in lieu of scumhunting.
Quote from: ToasterIn this game, flavor is fun and that's it. I hold anyone as suspicious who works with flavor in lieu of scumhunting. People like Caz.Although I agree that giving up is not the best idea, how likely do you think it is that we'll actually find scum D1 (instead of, say, a newer player that failed and is feeling overwhelmed)? I'm not saying that SBC shouldn't be under suspicion, but concentrating on him (for example) might be a bad idea. Thus, who is your second suspect and why?
Caz: Can't believe I let this slip earlier:That's crap. It's totally possible to find scum D1, and giving up beforehand is at best lazy and at worst scum avoiding work. I want your top two suspects and why.I'm not going to waste any time trying to decipher whatever it is you're talking about. If there are any obstacles between me and your point, then I'm going to quit trying right there.Because RP is fun, and trying to figure out people Day 1 is a crapshoot anyway.
Statistically, the odds are poor. If we don't try, though, we don't build a foundation for D2. If you want to count scum lynched later in the game for things they did D1, you'll start getting better numbers.
At this point, my second pick is Cheeetar, mostly for the post I'm about to quote.
Cheeetar:
In an effort to be democratic, and with the fact that I'm feeling more and more unready with the responsibility of being King-
How satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
It's been a pretty slow day. Probably Wednesday or so for a decision, I'd wager.
Me, so I can try to whip more content out of people.
Why are you trying to completely abdicate the responsibility of the lynch? I rather suspect that you don't want to be blamed for the mislynch you know you'll cause.
Post by: TolyK on February 03, 2014, 02:00:26 pm
Toaster:Gotcha.--
A-yup. Spoiler alert: I'm lazy and don't want to bother to quote for a two word response.--
Basically, you are saying that anyone who looks through flavor a potential rolefisher, correct? Also, these examples are taken from the top of your head, yes?
Not exactly. Keeping the knight example, someone who says "What's your background? Knight? Ah, cool," isn't rolefishing. Trying to delve deeper to tease out abilities may be. "You're a knight? What kind of knightly things are you good at?" Though, really, with Vector clearly stating that flavor is a separate entity, even that probably isn't rolefishing.
It's still scummy if someone plays with flavor in lieu of scumhunting.
Quote from: Toaster
Quote from: Toaster--If it's mostly for this post, then I find it kinda strange. Of course, it does seem like he doesn't want to be blamed for a mislynch (he pretty much said it explicitly there, didn't he :P), however don't you think it's natural for people to not want to have an "hung innocent" on their conscience? Also, do you think there's anything else we can "try" to set a foundation for D2 other than asking questions?
Statistically, the odds are poor. If we don't try, though, we don't build a foundation for D2. If you want to count scum lynched later in the game for things they did D1, you'll start getting better numbers.
At this point, my second pick is Cheeetar, mostly for the post I'm about to quote.
Cheeetar:In an effort to be democratic, and with the fact that I'm feeling more and more unready with the responsibility of being King-
How satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
It's been a pretty slow day. Probably Wednesday or so for a decision, I'd wager.
Me, so I can try to whip more content out of people.
Why are you trying to completely abdicate the responsibility of the lynch? I rather suspect that you don't want to be blamed for the mislynch you know you'll cause.
Post by: TolyK on February 03, 2014, 02:01:25 pm
Quote from: Toaster
If it's mostly for this post, then I find it kinda strange. Of course, it does seem like he doesn't want to be blamed for a mislynch (he pretty much said it explicitly there, didn't he :P), however don't you think it's natural for people to not want to have an "hung innocent" on their conscience? Also, do you think there's anything else we can "try" to set a foundation for D2 other than asking questions?Quote from: Toaster----
Statistically, the odds are poor. If we don't try, though, we don't build a foundation for D2. If you want to count scum lynched later in the game for things they did D1, you'll start getting better numbers.
At this point, my second pick is Cheeetar, mostly for the post I'm about to quote.
Cheeetar:In an effort to be democratic, and with the fact that I'm feeling more and more unready with the responsibility of being King-
How satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
It's been a pretty slow day. Probably Wednesday or so for a decision, I'd wager.
Me, so I can try to whip more content out of people.
Why are you trying to completely abdicate the responsibility of the lynch? I rather suspect that you don't want to be blamed for the mislynch you know you'll cause.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 03, 2014, 02:17:25 pm
Cheeetar:In an effort to be democratic, and with the fact that I'm feeling more and more unready with the responsibility of being King-
How satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
It's been a pretty slow day. Probably Wednesday or so for a decision, I'd wager.
Me, so I can try to whip more content out of people.
Why are you trying to completely abdicate the responsibility of the lynch? I rather suspect that you don't want to be blamed for the mislynch you know you'll cause.
I'm not asking anybody else to tell me who to lynch. The blood will be on my hands.
Post by: Caz on February 03, 2014, 02:39:40 pm
How satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?Day 1 seems to have had enough discussion from everyone without dragging it out. If I were kingmaker, I'd pick zu day 2 as his posts have been pretty good. What are your own thoughts on these two questions?
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
TolyK
Caz, why are you separating IC and OOC? You are still the same character, so why the differentiation? Are you trying to lose responsibility for (half of) your actions?My IC character isn't 3rd person omniscient, especially on game mechanics etcetc. Trying to combine the two hasn't worked out well and has done more to confuse than help, but I don't want to completely ignore flavour because it's cool and adds fun to the game. As for losing responsibility for half my actions, I doubt that would work.
Do you think it wise to ignore the flavour entirely with regards to the mechanics of the game?
Toaster
That's crap. It's totally possible to find scum D1, and giving up beforehand is at best lazy and at worst scum avoiding work. I want your top two suspects and why.Yeah? I've never found Day1 chat to be useful on Day1 itself. It usually leads to a mislynch, and *then* the D1 chat becomes a useful resource to look back on. It's worth the back and forth, but not for necessarily locating accurate scum off the bat. Though you're more experienced than me so I'm sure you have more strategies for that.
Tiruin
CazHis query? Maybe I skimmed over and missed the posts because I still don't know what you're asking.-snoop-I await your clarity. Like, today-ish.
Also that thing where you asked me 'what' was "I am also interested in seeing your answer to Cheeetar's query."
Persus
What are other people's thoughts on the thing about multiple factions?Could be, if only from the hope that this will be an interesting game. If it's just town, scum and a sk it would be kinda boring. If you were a survivor, would you help the town to win or try to save your own skin?
Urist Imiknorris
Caz:Looking back at the beginning of the game, I noticed something:Dunno, I suppose from the numbers there could be two or even three.Has breakfast arrived yet? If we are going to find this traitor, it should be on a full stomach. Hunger clouds the mind.Why did you refer to a singular traitor?
Additionally, could you please do something to visibly distinguish IC from OOC from now on? It would make your opinions and positions understandable.Yea, I posted on this earlier. I'll put IC in italics or apply a text colour I guess.
Jim: So far you've only been attacking others for failing to scumhunt. Where is your own contributions?
Imp: You still around? I expected half of these posts to be written by you. What's the matter?
makeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?
Post by: TolyK on February 03, 2014, 02:48:53 pm
TolyKAlright, since you've decided to separate IC and OOC via italics, I guess it's fine.Caz, why are you separating IC and OOC? You are still the same character, so why the differentiation? Are you trying to lose responsibility for (half of) your actions?My IC character isn't 3rd person omniscient, especially on game mechanics etcetc. Trying to combine the two hasn't worked out well and has done more to confuse than help, but I don't want to completely ignore flavour because it's cool and adds fun to the game. As for losing responsibility for half my actions, I doubt that would work.
Do you think it wise to ignore the flavour entirely with regards to the mechanics of the game?
I think it could be more or less safely ignored, however that wouldn't be fun. In regards to the mechanics - very likely so.
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Urist ImiknorrisThe question was more, why exactly did you say "traitor" in singular? It isn't like "enemy" or "scum" where they have the same plural and singular forms, while it's typical for a mostly-vanilla 12-person game to have 3 mafia. Meanwhile, you say "traitor" as in "serial killer" or the like.Caz:Looking back at the beginning of the game, I noticed something:Dunno, I suppose from the numbers there could be two or even three.Has breakfast arrived yet? If we are going to find this traitor, it should be on a full stomach. Hunger clouds the mind.Why did you refer to a singular traitor?
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makeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 03, 2014, 03:00:43 pm
Quote from: Cazmakeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
Do you earnestly believe there's enough material on the floor to make informed decisions about who is scum and why? If so- who do you think is scum, and why?
CheeetarHow satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?Day 1 seems to have had enough discussion from everyone without dragging it out. If I were kingmaker, I'd pick zu day 2 as his posts have been pretty good. What are your own thoughts on these two questions?
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
I'd be happier with more posts from some people (Jim Groovester is standing out a little, given that he's supposed to be such a skilled mafia player). For King on the second day, I'd like for it to be somebody who's been more on the active side- Imiknorris, Tiruin, Makeinu.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 03, 2014, 03:08:04 pm
[Persus] If you were a survivor, would you help the town to win or try to save your own skin?This is the softest of softball questions. "If you were a survivor would you draw the ire of the guys with a kill or play to win?" What's the deal with that?
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Dunno, I suppose from the numbers there could be two or even three.The flavor that you so enjoy explicitly mentions multiple traitors:
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Tomorrow, as she had decreed, one of them would be made sole ruler of all Denmark. The other eleven would form their council for that day. And it made a certain sort of satisfying sense--it was sure to keep the country together--well, it was comfortable, at least. There would be executions until the traitors were found.
Post by: Caz on February 03, 2014, 03:27:28 pm
The question was more, why exactly did you say "traitor" in singular? It isn't like "enemy" or "scum" where they have the same plural and singular forms, while it's typical for a mostly-vanilla 12-person game to have 3 mafia. Meanwhile, you say "traitor" as in "serial killer" or the like.Never really thought the wording was crucial. If you're trying to say it's some kind of scum slip (I don't see how as Urist just confirmed in the flavour that there are traitors), it's not.
I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
Does RVS have a time limit?
Caz:Trying to engage in a dialogue with as many people as possible and it's on the topic of multiple parties. Since he asked the question I figure he might be some form of 3rd party, hopefully town-aligned. I don't like how you jumped in on this before Persus had a chance to answer, either.[Persus] If you were a survivor, would you help the town to win or try to save your own skin?This is the softest of softball questions. "If you were a survivor would you draw the ire of the guys with a kill or play to win?" What's the deal with that?
Post by: zombie urist on February 03, 2014, 03:46:46 pm
How'd you get to this conclusion? Also stop using the tongue smiley so much.What are other people's thoughts on the thing about multiple factions?As I said, I'm pretty sure we have more than one faction with a chat. :P
What are other people's thoughts on the thing about multiple factions?This is a weak post for someone who's been gone so long. Are you worried about multiple factions? I'm going to scumhunt normally and see what flips, as usual.
Moar PFPWhat I mean is that asking people to ask people questions is something Boothras did. As scum it was really annoying to have to do so....So what Bookthras did has something to what you did there..why? 'As scum'...what?This is extremely anemic. What's the point?This is something Bookthras did and was very annoying to deal with as scum. Also he hasn't really asked any questions to anyone yet.
Do you see relevances or similarities between TolyK and ol'Book?
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Post by: Toaster on February 03, 2014, 04:05:33 pm
If it's mostly for this post, then I find it kinda strange. Of course, it does seem like he doesn't want to be blamed for a mislynch (he pretty much said it explicitly there, didn't he :P), however don't you think it's natural for people to not want to have an "hung innocent" on their conscience? Also, do you think there's anything else we can "try" to set a foundation for D2 other than asking questions?
I'm not convinced he's hunting on his own much either. And it may be natural for people to not to want to feel bad, but too bad- he's in charge, he needs to act like it.
Normally I'd say something about voting patterns, but it may be a bit silly here. Besides hunting, looking at chief suspects is the best bet, though it is blunted in this format.
Cheeetar:
I'm not asking anybody else to tell me who to lynch. The blood will be on my hands.
That's not the impression I get.
Quote from: Cazmakeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
Do you earnestly believe there's enough material on the floor to make informed decisions about who is scum and why? If so- who do you think is scum, and why?
Do you think there is? If not, do you think there will be by day end?
Caz:
ToasterThat's crap. It's totally possible to find scum D1, and giving up beforehand is at best lazy and at worst scum avoiding work. I want your top two suspects and why.Yeah? I've never found Day1 chat to be useful on Day1 itself. It usually leads to a mislynch, and *then* the D1 chat becomes a useful resource to look back on. It's worth the back and forth, but not for necessarily locating accurate scum off the bat. Though you're more experienced than me so I'm sure you have more strategies for that.
Sure, it's harder to find scum when you have less to work on and a large field for them to hide in, but it's certainly not impossible. One thing to look for is someone just trying to blend in, or another is someone tearing up a player (especially a new one) for a minor infraction.
You didn't answer me about your top two suspects.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 03, 2014, 04:24:06 pm
Jim: So far you've only been attacking others for failing to scumhunt. Where is your own contributions?
Here.
In an effort to be democratic, and with the fact that I'm feeling more and more unready with the responsibility of being King-
How satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?
Is it because you're scum?
Are you a scum king?
Is the reason you're uneasy because you can't find a suspicious-looking town target to lynch?
Yeah, that's tough.
No, really, let's see your list of suspects and your reasons why. I can't recall you stating an opinion about whom you suspect.
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
Me, of course. I can guarantee that I won't feel uneasy about who to lynch.
It's the Kingmaker's decision though and I feel he should basically ignore all discussion about it, assuming the Kingmaker is not totally incompetent.
For King on the second day, I'd like for it to be somebody who's been more on the active side- Imiknorris, Tiruin, Makeinu.
Why these three?
As I said, I'm pretty sure we have more than one faction with a chat. :P
Oh?
You wouldn't be a member of one of these chats, would you?
If it's mostly for this post, then I find it kinda strange. Of course, it does seem like he doesn't want to be blamed for a mislynch (he pretty much said it explicitly there, didn't he :P), however don't you think it's natural for people to not want to have an "hung innocent" on their conscience? Also, do you think there's anything else we can "try" to set a foundation for D2 other than asking questions?
You're explaining a new player's attitude. New players hesitate because they don't want to be wrong and don't want to face the backlash of being wrong. Inexperienced scum players hesitate even more.
Except that mislynches happen and are a regular part of the game of mafia, even amongst reasonably competent town players. If Cheeetar suspected somebody and if it appeared to be legitimate and genuine suspicion, and it turned out that it was a mislynch, he would face little backlash for his decision. There's no reason to be uneasy, except if he has no suspects (scummy) or he's afraid of backlash (also scummy).
Post by: Persus13 on February 03, 2014, 05:04:53 pm
Persus13:Oh, I assumed from this:Why? The Kingmaker is chosen randomly.Where do the rules say that?
As this is a Kingmaker, a single person will be selected as Kingmaker, who then selects someone to be King for a day.that a person being selected as Kingmaker was chosen randomly from all town players, and that shields wouldn't affect the choice of who was kingmaker.
What I mainly got out of discussion from when I was gone was people attacking SBC for lack of scumhunting, and people postulating on multiple factions. That post was also a post from school.What are other people's thoughts on the thing about multiple factions?This is a weak post for someone who's been gone so long. Are you worried about multiple factions? I'm going to scumhunt normally and see what flips, as usual.
How satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?Well, I feel more suspect lists from everyone would be nice. Something like this:
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
SBC-acting oddly, deflection, defending against something that he isn't really being attacked on, lack of hunting.
Cheeetar: As the guy with all the responsibility, he should be scumhunting more.
I'd like the Kingmaker to select someone whose judgement I trust. At this time that would likely be no one except maybe myself and definitely not Imp (inactivity), SBC (current lack of scumhunting), or maybe Jim (often seems too certain than I like).
Jim: So having no suspects is scummy? What if the person says they have no suspects but appear to be actively scumhunting?
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 03, 2014, 05:11:31 pm
Post by: Caz on February 03, 2014, 05:46:22 pm
TolyK:
You didn't answer me about your top two suspects.
SBC - worried about revealing his role, citing previous situation where he was scum for his actions
Imp - uncharacteristic lack of posts, but waiting to hear more from her before i decide on this
Post by: Caz on February 03, 2014, 06:06:13 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 03, 2014, 06:29:13 pm
Tiruin: I was only trying to demonstrate that you could take a concept and run many ways with it- especially in a BYOR- so trying to get role abilities from mechanics was futile.I've been looking at the flash mafia helplink too much. When you say 'reviver', I see 'white mage'. Didn't connect. >_>
Also, reviver in a Mafia context means someone with a one-shot revive on (any) death.
Thanks!
And also, you demonstrate it in a better way than I did. Thanks too!
TolyK
1. That...really is unfair.TolyK(1) Kinda - since I don't have information today, I would kill the guy I'd most be afraid of as scum. (2) He's that guy in this case, because he is very experienced and (afair) pointed me out as scum way too easily. >.> Also, as he said, he's usually strongly condemning and pushing, which really gets my on the edge regardless of faction. :P1. I see uncertainty, and I see Jim. Does Jim relevant to uncertainty?Tolyk:Huh. I could tell who I wouldn't (the King, since he's being very thoughtful :P), but who I would kill... Jim? I don't really have all the information I need, but I'd be afraid of playing scum against Jim. :P
If you were one of the assassins, and had to make the choice of whom to kill right now, who would it be? Why?
2. Also why specifically Jim?
3. Also2: Anything on your mind or are you not curious on asking us things? What are your thoughts on the Kingmaker setup?
(3) I wanted to finish rereading before asking questions (rather, I make questions as I reread). I already shared my thoughts on how it's different to play a Kingmaker, or do you mean something else?
2. Jim? Yeah, restating: Unfair. You panic on being 'pointed out as scum'? Could you explain what that meant?
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'my on the edge'? What?
3. Good! Now why do you think killing who you feared is a better idea than anything else?
Tiruin...No, I am serious with what I said. Do you KNOW what Vector wrote in my role? No, no you don't.PFPI'm guessing you probably got one in your role? :P (Joke question, to make that clear)I disagree that flavour is separate from mechanics. Our roles were based on the heraldry we submitted, which was all flavor. If mechanics/roles were based on flavor, then can the two really actually be separate?I thoroughly disagree with this. We're talking about Webadict making the roles.
You know when Webadict makes the roles.
Hilarious stoofs happen.
Meaning: No, really. Flavor =/= mechanics =/= abilities.
I bloody know.
PPE: Bah, long post.
So I'm saying it there right there and right then.
Why don't I have any serious question from you?
Also: You've never seen long posts. :I
@Caz
TiruinI was referring to his post on you.CazHis query? Maybe I skimmed over and missed the posts because I still don't know what you're asking.-snoop-I await your clarity. Like, today-ish.
Also that thing where you asked me 'what' was "I am also interested in seeing your answer to Cheeetar's query."
CheeetarSeriously? With you making more-than-not, feeling-joking posts?How satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?Day 1 seems to have had enough discussion from everyone without dragging it out. If I were kingmaker, I'd pick zu day 2 as his posts have been pretty good. What are your own thoughts on these two questions?
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
Hmm, I guess this means you're up for sharing your reads given that you see enough discussion!
What are your reads on everyone and why?
Also why question those three people in that post?
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Mhh? O_oMoar PFPWhat I mean is that asking people to ask people questions is something Boothras did. As scum it was really annoying to have to do so....So what Bookthras did has something to what you did there..why? 'As scum'...what?This is extremely anemic. What's the point?This is something Bookthras did and was very annoying to deal with as scum. Also he hasn't really asked any questions to anyone yet.
Do you see relevances or similarities between TolyK and ol'Book?Spoiler: OOC (click to show/hide)
Did the scum!Bookthras asking questions give any advantage to him, though? (Given by the annoying part?)
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Post by: Caz on February 03, 2014, 06:42:15 pm
@CazWhich one?TiruinI was referring to his post on you.CazHis query? Maybe I skimmed over and missed the posts because I still don't know what you're asking.-snoop-I await your clarity. Like, today-ish.
Also that thing where you asked me 'what' was "I am also interested in seeing your answer to Cheeetar's query."
Seriously? With you making more-than-not, feeling-joking posts?[/quote]
I don't think I'm joking around more than anyone else, except stoic-as-ever Jim.
Also why question those three people in that post?Starting a dialogue so I can get better reads.
What are your reads on everyone and why?
Imp - Cille Edithsdatter - unusually quiet, not sure if she's afk though. doesn't seem to like me :P
Persus13 - Gwenhwyfar - his shield seemed to have meaning though he claims it's coincidence, possible kingmaker if the flavour is related to game in any way, though doubtful.
makeinu - Viggo Valentinsen - posts concentrated on flavour seem to be the sort designed to distract from scumhunting, less constructed scumhunting than seems usual for makeinu
Cheeetar - Ansgar Danielsen - our great king. seems to want to take the democratic route and maybe trying to avoid the flak for whoever he lynches.
Caz - Vivianus of Austyn - it's caz
Urist Imiknorris - Rød Grønsdatter - seems to be scumhunting well-enough
SuperBlackCat - Kisa Albertsdatter - suspicious, unduly fearful and defensive without doing much scumhunting
Tiruin - Giovanna da Venezia - started off with flavour posts, but i think that's more that you enjoy them than actually trying to distract. have been asking an acceptable variety of questions
Jim Groovester - Mark II of House Magnus - a bit quiet but has been asking the right questions
TolyK - Tadeusz Brzęczyszczykiewicz - have to re-read his posts because somehow i remember nothing. will do later
Toaster - Maren Jørgensdatter - less verbose than others, but posts have good content
zombie urist - Louisa von Solenheim - seems to be level-headed scumhunting and wants things to be clear re: flavour confusion
Now you tell me your reads please.
Post by: makeinu on February 03, 2014, 09:39:09 pm
I'll get into here soon as I can.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 03, 2014, 10:23:15 pm
In an effort to be democratic, and with the fact that I'm feeling more and more unready with the responsibility of being King-
How satisfied are you with the content of Day 1 in general, and how long do you think it will take to reach a reasonable decision on who to execute?
Is it because you're scum?
Are you a scum king?
Is the reason you're uneasy because you can't find a suspicious-looking town target to lynch?
Yeah, that's tough.
No, really, let's see your list of suspects and your reasons why. I can't recall you stating an opinion about whom you suspect.
That's a pretty weak attack, Jim. Here, have some suspects:
Caz: In favour of ending the day early, fairly odd pressuring on SBC and a belief in him as a top suspect despite the fact that he's not really questioning him or looking at him at all at the moment.
SBC: He knows exactly what people want from him (actual scumhunting instead of simply defending himself) but he can't quite seem to bring himself to do it.
Persus13: His scumlist is incredibly derivative, fairly low content posting.
Jim Groovester: Low content, softball scumhunting. You're supposed to be better than that, no?
Who would you like the Kingmaker to select as King on Day 2?
Me, of course. I can guarantee that I won't feel uneasy about who to lynch.
It's the Kingmaker's decision though and I feel he should basically ignore all discussion about it, assuming the Kingmaker is not totally incompetent.For King on the second day, I'd like for it to be somebody who's been more on the active side- Imiknorris, Tiruin, Makeinu.
Why these three?
They're the ones who stand out in my mind as more on the active side. I didn't go through the thread counting posts/words or anything, so I might be wrong.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 03, 2014, 10:23:41 pm
Do you earnestly believe there's enough material on the floor to make informed decisions about who is scum and why? If so- who do you think is scum, and why?
Do you think there is? If not, do you think there will be by day end?
Nope! I'm not sure there will be by the end of Day 1, either, certainly not from all the players.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 03, 2014, 10:42:52 pm
suspects
Alright, so why are you bothering with this democratic nonsense if you already have a list of suspects? It's not like you're going to lynch outside it.
You're supposed to be better than that, no?
*yawn*
Post by: makeinu on February 03, 2014, 10:51:19 pm
You're supposed to be better than that, no?
*yawn*
You, sir, are hilarious!!
Post by: Superblackcat on February 03, 2014, 10:53:14 pm
I feel that Caz is scum, mostly because of her/his play right now.
Tiruin and Tolyk seem like town.
Jim: When you said "why those three" it seemed like you wanted to be on the list. Any reasons?
Post by: Toaster on February 03, 2014, 11:36:54 pm
I feel that Caz is scum, mostly because of her/his play right now.
Tiruin and Tolyk seem like town.
This is where you provide examples and reasons.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 03, 2014, 11:38:21 pm
suspects
Alright, so why are you bothering with this democratic nonsense if you already have a list of suspects? It's not like you're going to lynch outside it.
Please note: I did not ask 'who should I lynch'. Attempts to assert that I did are silly.
Post by: Superblackcat on February 03, 2014, 11:49:42 pm
SBC:I feel that Caz is scum, mostly because of her/his play right now.
Tiruin and Tolyk seem like town.
This is where you provide examples and reasons.
Tiruin and Tolyk are both scumhunting, and asking a lot of questions. None of them seem scummy really.
Caz... His play changes every game, and this one feels different. He doesn't play like this. It's... he's very passive aggressive, but in this game, he's afraid of any sort of confrontation, even with his FOS (myself). It's not how he plays.
Post by: Vector on February 04, 2014, 02:36:54 am
Manservant! The Queen must have left some sort of notes, a long term plan in the event of her death. Am I right in assuming this council is for the short term stability of the nation, rather than a long term prospect?
Enter Horatio Hall some time later, bearing a sealed parchment--which itself bears the Queen's seal.
It is the first time that most of you have really looked at him, though of course you have seen him before--as a decoration, a piece of the castle, an unusually mobile anchorite. The man is tall and pinched, with a certain intensity to his eyes if not his expression, which is all schooled deference. One cheekbone must have, at least half a lifetime ago, been shattered. He blows the dust from the parchment and offers it to the King before once again receding.
"The Queen's word," says Angar Danielsen, cracking the seal. "Let the court note that the parchment is marked: 'For the Future of Denmark.'"
He scans the parchment and roars: "But this is preposterous!"
Horatio busies himself with nudging a plate of almonds closer to Vivianus.
"Well, what's in it?" someone says.
"Nonsense. Listen: 'To my Councilors I bid good fortune from beyond the grave. You are curious, I imagine, as to my plans for Denmark. But I am deceased--my time on earth has ended. Sodden, earthy Denmark is no longer mine to rule. How could I, departed, know any better than you how to manage the lives of the living?''"
A pall, wet with the stench of undesirable responsibility, falls over those gathered.
"What of Sigfred?" says Viggo Valentinsen, and Horatio takes his leave.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 04, 2014, 03:17:08 am
Jim: When you said "why those three" it seemed like you wanted to be on the list. Any reasons?
I was asking for his justification on asserting that Urist Imiknorris, Tiruin, and makeinu were people he considered active.
Post by: Caz on February 04, 2014, 07:55:05 am
Here, have some suspects:You suspect me for suspecting your 2nd suspect? Ok. I'm in favour of ending the day early because day1 is crap and I don't want this to stretch to 60 pages of unreadable nonsense like Smstr W/ Love.
Caz: In favour of ending the day early, fairly odd pressuring on SBC and a belief in him as a top suspect despite the fact that he's not really questioning him or looking at him at all at the moment.
SBC: He knows exactly what people want from him (actual scumhunting instead of simply defending himself) but he can't quite seem to bring himself to do it.
I'll get into here soon as I can.Before day-end would be nice.
Tiruin and Tolyk are both scumhunting, and asking a lot of questions. None of them seem scummy really.So are most players. What in their posts makes you single them out specifically?
Caz... His play changes every game, and this one feels different. He doesn't play like this. It's... he's very passive aggressive, but in this game, he's afraid of any sort of confrontation, even with his FOS (myself). It's not how he plays.This statement doesn't make sense. If my play changes every game, how can you predict how I play? If I play differently, am I scum?
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he's very passive aggressive, but in this game, he's afraid of any sort of confrontationReally? Me and Imp already argued over this. :P I also don't like bringing the game down to insults. Please give an example of where I am afraid of confrontation in your eyes.
Post by: Caz on February 04, 2014, 08:00:56 am
Please note: I did not ask 'who should I lynch'. Attempts to assert that I did are silly.If you're not asking that, what was the purpose of people giving their opinions to you?
Post by: Cheeetar on February 04, 2014, 09:11:29 am
Please note: I did not ask 'who should I lynch'. Attempts to assert that I did are silly.If you're not asking that, what was the purpose of people giving their opinions to you?
What's the point of any scumhunting?
Post by: TolyK on February 04, 2014, 12:58:01 pm
No, I'm saying that you're possibly an assassin (serial killer), which would definitely explain the slip. Of course, it could be a mistyping, but you can never know for sure.The question was more, why exactly did you say "traitor" in singular? It isn't like "enemy" or "scum" where they have the same plural and singular forms, while it's typical for a mostly-vanilla 12-person game to have 3 mafia. Meanwhile, you say "traitor" as in "serial killer" or the like.Never really thought the wording was crucial. If you're trying to say it's some kind of scum slip (I don't see how as Urist just confirmed in the flavour that there are traitors), it's not.
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andI don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.Does RVS have a time limit?
As I was told before, RVS ends when people start getting suspicions. And that asking random questions after there's a sizable amount of content is created seems to be lazy. Asking random questions is "lazy" because you should be asking questions to people who have done something not-to-par. We don't have enough material for pinning the scum tag on anyone, however pinning the "watch this guy" tag is definitely possible.Do you earnestly believe there's enough material on the floor to make informed decisions about who is scum and why? If so- who do you think is scum, and why?Quote from: Cazmakeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
andHow'd you get to this conclusion? Also stop using the tongue smiley so much.What are other people's thoughts on the thing about multiple factions?As I said, I'm pretty sure we have more than one faction with a chat. :P
Sorry, it's a (possibly bad) habit. I just use it when I'm being less serious.As I said, I'm pretty sure we have more than one faction with a chat. :P
Oh?
You wouldn't be a member of one of these chats, would you?
As I already said, it's because we were told "people with a chat". Also, it would fit Wuba's role character.
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TolyK:Gotcha.If it's mostly for this post, then I find it kinda strange. Of course, it does seem like he doesn't want to be blamed for a mislynch (he pretty much said it explicitly there, didn't he :P), however don't you think it's natural for people to not want to have an "hung innocent" on their conscience? Also, do you think there's anything else we can "try" to set a foundation for D2 other than asking questions?I'm not convinced he's hunting on his own much either. And it may be natural for people to not to want to feel bad, but too bad- he's in charge, he needs to act like it.
Normally I'd say something about voting patterns, but it may be a bit silly here. Besides hunting, looking at chief suspects is the best bet, though it is blunted in this format.
Exactly. And the reason why Cheeetar's suspected is because he's not suspecting anyone, or at least not pressing anyone.If it's mostly for this post, then I find it kinda strange. Of course, it does seem like he doesn't want to be blamed for a mislynch (he pretty much said it explicitly there, didn't he :P), however don't you think it's natural for people to not want to have an "hung innocent" on their conscience? Also, do you think there's anything else we can "try" to set a foundation for D2 other than asking questions?
You're explaining a new player's attitude. New players hesitate because they don't want to be wrong and don't want to face the backlash of being wrong. Inexperienced scum players hesitate even more.
Except that mislynches happen and are a regular part of the game of mafia, even amongst reasonably competent town players. If Cheeetar suspected somebody and if it appeared to be legitimate and genuine suspicion, and it turned out that it was a mislynch, he would face little backlash for his decision. There's no reason to be uneasy, except if he has no suspects (scummy) or he's afraid of backlash (also scummy).
This was to me? My answer's pretty typical - SBC and Cheetar/Caz tied for second.TolyK:
You didn't answer me about your top two suspects.
SBC - worried about revealing his role, citing previous situation where he was scum for his actions
Imp - uncharacteristic lack of posts, but waiting to hear more from her before i decide on this
TolyKAgreed that it's unfair, but that is exactly how I would think.1. That...really is unfair.TolyK(1) Kinda - since I don't have information today, I would kill the guy I'd most be afraid of as scum. (2) He's that guy in this case, because he is very experienced and (afair) pointed me out as scum way too easily. >.> Also, as he said, he's usually strongly condemning and pushing, which really gets my on the edge regardless of faction. :P1. I see uncertainty, and I see Jim. Does Jim relevant to uncertainty?Tolyk:Huh. I could tell who I wouldn't (the King, since he's being very thoughtful :P), but who I would kill... Jim? I don't really have all the information I need, but I'd be afraid of playing scum against Jim. :P
If you were one of the assassins, and had to make the choice of whom to kill right now, who would it be? Why?
2. Also why specifically Jim?
3. Also2: Anything on your mind or are you not curious on asking us things? What are your thoughts on the Kingmaker setup?
(3) I wanted to finish rereading before asking questions (rather, I make questions as I reread). I already shared my thoughts on how it's different to play a Kingmaker, or do you mean something else?
2. Jim? Yeah, restating: Unfair. You panic on being 'pointed out as scum'? Could you explain what that meant?
...
'my on the edge'? What?
3. Good! Now why do you think killing who you feared is a better idea than anything else?
Uh, because I would be less nervous and less likely to slip?
Quote from: Tiruin
No, I guess I haven't seen long posts, it's just longer that what I'm used to.Tiruin...No, I am serious with what I said. Do you KNOW what Vector wrote in my role? No, no you don't.PFPI'm guessing you probably got one in your role? :P (Joke question, to make that clear)I disagree that flavour is separate from mechanics. Our roles were based on the heraldry we submitted, which was all flavor. If mechanics/roles were based on flavor, then can the two really actually be separate?I thoroughly disagree with this. We're talking about Webadict making the roles.
You know when Webadict makes the roles.
Hilarious stoofs happen.
Meaning: No, really. Flavor =/= mechanics =/= abilities.
I bloody know.
PPE: Bah, long post.
So I'm saying it there right there and right then.
Why don't I have any serious question from you?
Also: You've never seen long posts. :I
I don't currently have time to ask you serious questions at the moment, sorry.)
Post by: Caz on February 04, 2014, 01:49:02 pm
Quote from: Cazmakeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
I actually said that? Lolo lolof ojidgkljxfklgjdsflkgjdf
Post by: TolyK on February 04, 2014, 01:50:30 pm
Post by: Caz on February 04, 2014, 01:54:23 pm
Post by: zombie urist on February 04, 2014, 07:41:27 pm
It would be nice if Imp could get a post in soon. I'm also suspicious a lot of UI's posts have been really short and offtopic.
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 07:48:01 pm
Activity seems to have slowed and I'm bothered by the large number of people who agree that same three people are scummy.I actually don't agree that those same three people are scummy [for the lynch(?)] (ie SBC)
It would be nice if Imp could get a post in soon. I'm also suspicious a lot of UI's posts have been really short and offtopic.
Details later.
Is sads.
Az
I am really confused and not playing well today. :(Confused by what? :(
TolyK
There's something wrong with asking someone else a question or you don't like Caz' writing?Quote from: Cazmakeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
Also: Why?
Post by: Toaster on February 04, 2014, 08:33:14 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on February 04, 2014, 10:18:34 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 04, 2014, 10:32:35 pm
That's not a good idea.
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2014, 10:34:43 pm
I've made my decision. As a matter of courtesy, I'd like everybody to start to wrap up their lines of questioning before Wednesday 7pm according to Pacific Standard Time. I will likely not change my mind, but it will undoubtedly be useful to the new King on Day 2.Do not target Superblackcat--that is the only line I've to advise in lieu of his posts due to the attitude and mannerisms behind it. He is not scum, not reading scum-not pinging scum or at all being scum in my eye.
Query however: What is your perception on this kind of stating ideas? As in-you've said you have made your decision, however you aren't stating who it is; what's your opinion on what would happen if you had stated who you are targeting, but not in red?
Post by: TolyK on February 04, 2014, 11:39:36 pm
TolyKAlready answered this:There's something wrong with asking someone else a question or you don't like Caz' writing?Quote from: Cazmakeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
Also: Why?
Quote from: CazandI don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.Does RVS have a time limit?As I was told before, RVS ends when people start getting suspicions. And that asking random questions after there's a sizable amount of content is created seems to be lazy. Asking random questions is "lazy" because you should be asking questions to people who have done something not-to-par. We don't have enough material for pinning the scum tag on anyone, however pinning the "watch this guy" tag is definitely possible.Do you earnestly believe there's enough material on the floor to make informed decisions about who is scum and why? If so- who do you think is scum, and why?Quote from: Cazmakeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
I've made my decision. As a matter of courtesy, I'd like everybody to start to wrap up their lines of questioning before Wednesday 7pm according to Pacific Standard Time. I will likely not change my mind, but it will undoubtedly be useful to the new King on Day 2.
Are you going to leave it a surprise for everyone?Exactly. I'd like to be told beforehand, along with the logic for it, as I'm sure a lot of other people would as well.
That's not a good idea.
Post by: Superblackcat on February 05, 2014, 12:26:24 am
Now she feels like she is breaking down without any pressure. Or not much. How much pressure can I even give?
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 01:06:54 am
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 01:12:55 am
Query however: What is your perception on this kind of stating ideas? As in-you've said you have made your decision, however you aren't stating who it is; what's your opinion on what would happen if you had stated who you are targeting, but not in red?
I was worried that people who had day activities might use them in attempt to stop the lynch or redirect it. If it happens, though, I suppose that'll be the next King's worry.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 01:22:17 am
I was worried that people who had day activities might use them in attempt to stop the lynch or redirect it. If it happens, though, I suppose that'll be the next King's worry.
That is to say, day abilities. Bluh.
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2014, 01:34:19 am
Caz seems a lot more confident when she's not being pressured in the previous games...:I
Now she feels like she is breaking down without any pressure. Or not much. How much pressure can I even give?
I've told you before, I'll tell you now.
Caz.
Is.
MALE.
Why Cat. Why.
Anyway, forgiving this sleight in your comprehension: Why are you posting in brevity? Short paragraphs, little to respond with--I do doubt that a newbie can continue on his card in confusion if he didn't try to learn up, aye?
Why ain't ya postin' more, lucky cat? More meat to yer posts smells a good person. Good food for the mind.
Your Majesty
Alright. Going back on my earlier statement that I would execute who I thought was scum as soon as I was certain- I'm going to be executing Jim.[...]..To be honest, first thought I had was a 'wat', but I lack visible context for my public list--my view on Jim was that he had busy-ness because its weird in my sights to see him be snarky, without leaving much to go on. It's his style to do that, and let the other player react in turn-sort of challenging the responsive thoughts.
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He's barely been scumhunting and he's been on the lower end of activity in terms of posting.When you say barely scumhunting...you did ask for his output, right?
I don't see that query, though he does have a one-liner being made. Attributed to being busy though.
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[Jim: If you are town, use this time to put something concrete down in terms of suspicions.] If you flip as town, then we have somebody we know is good at the game and we know we can trust who's laid down very useful Day 1 stuff to work off of... as long as you actually do post usable stuff.I believe the secondary parts are linked to the one in brackets. How 'useful' is he now? From all his posts-do you not see much use in them?
PPE
This...is reasonable. Didn't expect that kind of work though.Query however: What is your perception on this kind of stating ideas? As in-you've said you have made your decision, however you aren't stating who it is; what's your opinion on what would happen if you had stated who you are targeting, but not in red?
I was worried that people who had day activities might use them in attempt to stop the lynch or redirect it. If it happens, though, I suppose that'll be the next King's worry.
However, in stating it out-despite that presence of worry-it'll be obvious as a one-shot-wonder when we'll see the response. (Thinking of the mechanics...it'll be really weird how it plays out. [Player should name their target and my ability only works on that name! = I redirect/whatever to another person!..]
Pretty weird ability and more of an obvious detriment once known--it just means future King/Queens would take note and improvise.)
Meaning...that's a strange speculation there. Anything more about it or did I hit the nail on the head?
PPE: Yep!
Post by: zombie urist on February 05, 2014, 01:38:21 am
PPE: Tiruin just said the opposite of what I said >_>
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2014, 01:40:58 am
What I said is that I also think Jim isn't scum because of those reasons.
This is what I hate about you- you always state in extremes (with 'always' meaning: everytime I see you talk about me)
And the kill must be announced in red. Or am I missing something in your thoughts, ZU?
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 01:54:22 am
And Jim, I wouldn't. What sense would there be in saying that I am?
Well, gee, when you say you're pretty sure that additional chats are around, it almost seems like you know for certain, i.e., you're part of one, instead of it just being a conjecture.
I am really confused and not playing well today. :(
My instinct is to label your excuses as weak and scummy but I haven't been paying close enough attention to you to accurately say for sure that that's what's going on.
In any cases, I don't like seeing excuses when I could be seeing improvements.
*yawn*
You, sir, are hilarious!!
Yes, yes, I'm fantastic.
I can't shake the feeling that you're lurking.
Also, where did Imp go?
MOD, can you prod everyone who needs it?
Alright. Going back on my earlier statement that I would execute who I thought was scum as soon as I was certain- I'm going to be executing Jim. Yes, he's a terrific mafia player and he'd be a fantastic boon to town if he was town- the only problem is that he hasn't been a boon as far as I've seen. He's barely been scumhunting and he's been on the lower end of activity in terms of posting. I'm supposed to expect more from him as town, and if he's not done much at all then it's easy to see him as scum trying to slip by unnoticed. Jim: If you are town, use this time to put something concrete down in terms of suspicions. If you flip as town, then we have somebody we know is good at the game and we know we can trust who's laid down very useful Day 1 stuff to work off of... as long as you actually do post usable stuff.
So you're telling me that I'm going to be executed because I have committed the crime of failing to live up to your expectations.
That's complete fucking bullshit. I am not responsible for your expectations and I did not join this game to impress you. At the nearest available opportunity please pull your head out of your ass and attempt to use it for its intended purpose, which is to not be a dipshit. At the moment you are failing miserably in this regard.
Weak scumhunting. Fucking bullshit. Typical lazy arguments to justify a bullshit lynch. I've done more scumhunting than you, that's for sure. I don't think you would have had the cajones to call the king scum.
And accusing me of being on the lower end of activity is also factually untrue. I have more posts than eight players in the game, and I'm only beaten by you, Tiruin, and Caz. Go fucking figure, I'm actually on the upper end of activity! Check the fucking Lurkertracker if you don't believe me.
I was worried that people who had day activities might use them in attempt to stop the lynch or redirect it. If it happens, though, I suppose that'll be the next King's worry.
Ha ha, classic. You had no intention of owning up to your decision at all. Lynch 'em before they can get the chance to protest, right?
How the fuck you though this was a good idea at all is beyond me.
You want my scumhunting contribution? Here:
You are a fucking liar and scum. Your arguments are bullshit and lies and you attempted to hide your decision to avoid scrutiny on it. In the remote chance that you are town, please lynch yourself, to make future days easier on the rest of the town, so we don't have to worry about whether you are scum or not and can proceed with the scumhunt with that question resolved.
Post by: Vector on February 05, 2014, 02:14:00 am
MOD, can you prod everyone who needs it?
Yep. I have a backlog of PMs I'm getting to tomorrow morning as well (for realsies, Wednesday is like totally fucking open~)--took the day off due to a. Merlin & ice cream and b. PTSD counselin'.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 02:21:42 am
Your MajestyAlright. Going back on my earlier statement that I would execute who I thought was scum as soon as I was certain- I'm going to be executing Jim.[...]..To be honest, first thought I had was a 'wat', but I lack visible context for my public list--my view on Jim was that he had busy-ness because its weird in my sights to see him be snarky, without leaving much to go on. It's his style to do that, and let the other player react in turn-sort of challenging the responsive thoughts.QuoteHe's barely been scumhunting and he's been on the lower end of activity in terms of posting.When you say barely scumhunting...you did ask for his output, right?
I don't see that query, though he does have a one-liner being made. Attributed to being busy though.
I don't understand what you mean in terms of output.
Quote[Jim: If you are town, use this time to put something concrete down in terms of suspicions.] If you flip as town, then we have somebody we know is good at the game and we know we can trust who's laid down very useful Day 1 stuff to work off of... as long as you actually do post usable stuff.I believe the secondary parts are linked to the one in brackets. How 'useful' is he now? From all his posts-do you not see much use in them?
Not really! His suspicions are on me, and I can't see him being suspicious of me as useful, given that I already know I'm town- him being suspicious of the new player being new is also kinda doubtful in terms of how much we can use it.
PPEThis...is reasonable. Didn't expect that kind of work though.Query however: What is your perception on this kind of stating ideas? As in-you've said you have made your decision, however you aren't stating who it is; what's your opinion on what would happen if you had stated who you are targeting, but not in red?
I was worried that people who had day activities might use them in attempt to stop the lynch or redirect it. If it happens, though, I suppose that'll be the next King's worry.
However, in stating it out-despite that presence of worry-it'll be obvious as a one-shot-wonder when we'll see the response. (Thinking of the mechanics...it'll be really weird how it plays out. [Player should name their target and my ability only works on that name! = I redirect/whatever to another person!..]
Pretty weird ability and more of an obvious detriment once known--it just means future King/Queens would take note and improvise.)
Meaning...that's a strange speculation there. Anything more about it or did I hit the nail on the head?
PPE: Yep!
Just strange speculation on my part, you pretty much got it.
Post by: zombie urist on February 05, 2014, 02:31:29 am
...?I mean about the possibility of day abilities that could affect the lynch. I don't think he has a valid reason of being paranoid, you do. Unless I read your post wrong of course.
What I said is that I also think Jim isn't scum because of those reasons.
This is what I hate about you- you always state in extremes (with 'always' meaning: everytime I see you talk about me)
And the kill must be announced in red. Or am I missing something in your thoughts, ZU?
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 02:36:19 am
Jim, being a douchebag to me isn't going to make me not want to execute you. I hate that a valid tactic in Mafia seems to be to yell at people until they finally give in. I've been a pushover in other Mafia games, but I'm not going to be one in this game.
derp herp because calling people douchebags means you can ignore their points.
You are factualy wrong on one account and your opinion on the second requires significantly more justification than you have provided. You do not get to skate away saying I'm low in activity when I beat more than half of everybody here, and you're rather thin on the assertion that I have been weak on scumhunting. Further, that I haven't met your expectations is complete silliness as a reason to suspect somebody.
Justify your case.
Clearly you aren't satisfied with Jim's response. So why are you still waiting given that you think there could be day abilities that might bother you?
What, I don't get to argue my case?
Come on, man.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 02:40:40 am
Clearly you aren't satisfied with Jim's response. So why are you still waiting given that you think there could be day abilities that might bother you?
What, I don't get to argue my case?
Come on, man.
Also, I don't care about his reasons, it's scummy bullshit that he intended to make his decision without informing everybody what it was.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 03:08:47 am
Clearly you aren't satisfied with Jim's response. So why are you still waiting given that you think there could be day abilities that might bother you?
I said I'd end the day at a certain point, so I will.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 03:45:17 am
WITH BRAVERY HE MET HIS VICTIM'S GAZE AND ANSWERED EACH AND EVERY OF HIS PROTESTS IN TURN
ON THIS DAY NONE COULD SAY THAT JUSTICE WAS ROBBED ITS DUE DISCOURSE
ON THIS DAY NONE COULD SAY THAT THE KING WAS COWARDLY
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 04:57:23 am
BEHOLD THE MIGHTY KING
WITH BRAVERY HE MET HIS VICTIM'S GAZE AND ANSWERED EACH AND EVERY OF HIS PROTESTS IN TURN
ON THIS DAY NONE COULD SAY THAT JUSTICE WAS ROBBED ITS DUE DISCOURSE
ON THIS DAY NONE COULD SAY THAT THE KING WAS COWARDLY
I'm not going to waste any time trying to decipher whatever it is you're talking about. If there are any obstacles between me and your point, then I'm going to quit trying right there.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 05:46:20 am
You're so scared of me that you borrow my words as a retort against me. This is the most unimpressive way you could have responded.
You have no arguments, you're too scared to respond to me, and you're terrible at being petty.
What good are you?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 05, 2014, 06:41:29 am
Post by: Caz on February 05, 2014, 07:38:53 am
Thought that I'd said that RVS questions were suspicious and THEN saying "RVS doesn't have time limit" but I think I read the quotes wrong and didn't actually write that at all... then obviously didn't remember making the post. Because derp. Don't play mafia while medicated, oy.I am really confused and not playing well today. :(Confused by what? :(
Caz seems a lot more confident when she's not being pressured in the previous games...Haha, it's not from the game, sorry to confuse the reads.
Now she feels like she is breaking down without any pressure. Or not much. How much pressure can I even give?
Alright. Going back on my earlier statement that I would execute who I thought was scum as soon as I was certain- I'm going to be executing Jim. Yes, he's a terrific mafia player and he'd be a fantastic boon to town if he was town- the only problem is that he hasn't been a boon as far as I've seen. He's barely been scumhunting and he's been on the lower end of activity in terms of posting. I'm supposed to expect more from him as town, and if he's not done much at all then it's easy to see him as scum trying to slip by unnoticed. Jim: If you are town, use this time to put something concrete down in terms of suspicions. If you flip as town, then we have somebody we know is good at the game and we know we can trust who's laid down very useful Day 1 stuff to work off of... as long as you actually do post usable stuff.There's many people contributing less than Jim. If he's such a good player as you thought, why was it so easy for you to figure out he was lurking scum? Makeinu and Imp are doing much better jobs of lurking, imo.
Plus the general rule "If Jim is still alive Day2, he's scum". Lynching him day1 when there's better candidates... I dunno, you could have found a better lynch imo. What happened to your suspicions on me? Not recommending that you actually lynch me either, but you know.
My instinct is to label your excuses as weak and scummy but I haven't been paying close enough attention to you to accurately say for sure that that's what's going on.Aye aye, cap'n.
In any cases, I don't like seeing excuses when I could be seeing improvements.
Cheeetar
At least wait for makeinu and Imp to post before you lynch Jim. Also, why not respond to his arguments against your case?
Everyone
Would like your thoughts on lynching Jim. Does anyone actually think this is a good idea?
Post by: Persus13 on February 05, 2014, 07:45:12 am
Caz: Jim hasn't seemed like he's done anything worth lynching him over, but the number of scummy people is few and number. I think it's a bad idea though, since Jim's activity level is fairly high.
Longer post later today if it doesn't end first.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 05, 2014, 07:45:38 am
For what reasons? You're doing this format's closest equivalent to bandwagoning pretty hard.This was to me? My answer's pretty typical - SBC and Cheetar/Caz tied for second.TolyK:
You didn't answer me about your top two suspects.
SBC - worried about revealing his role, citing previous situation where he was scum for his actions
Imp - uncharacteristic lack of posts, but waiting to hear more from her before i decide on this
Also, you've made some preemptive defenses this game. Why is that?
Tiruin:
TolyKWhy did it take you so long to question this question?There's something wrong with asking someone else a question or you don't like Caz' writing?Quote from: Cazmakeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
Also: Why?
Cheeetar:
Jim, being a douchebag to me isn't going to make me not want to execute you. I hate that a valid tactic in Mafia seems to be to yell at people until they finally give in.The fact that someone is yelling at you doesn't mean they're doing it for lack of a valid argument. In particular, Jim is pointing out (quite accurately) exactly how your case is, to put it mildly, crap. Let me count some reasons myself:
a) You have high standards of Jim's content. This is okay, but it's far too subjective to lynch over.
β) He's not living up to your high expectations. Clearly this is a reason to lynch him instead of, perhaps, asking why he's light on content compared to other games.
3)
Not really! His suspicions are on me, and I can't see him being suspicious of me as useful, given that I already know I'm townSomeone's suspicions are not useless merely because they happen to fall on you. Would you like to know why? Suspicions can change over time, although your actions aren't exactly encouraging that. It seems obvious, but that's only because it should be.
Caz: The "if alive D2, then scum" rule is for webadict.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 08:05:42 am
What happened to your suspicions on me? Not recommending that you actually lynch me either, but you know.
I thought you were third party, and that's a bit muddled now but maybe? Bleh.
Cheeetar
At least wait for makeinu and Imp to post before you lynch Jim. Also, why not respond to his arguments against your case?
I'll do that tomorrow. When the person who's arguing with me is just calling me stupid over and over again in the worst possible ways, I don't have much motivation to play.
Post by: Caz on February 05, 2014, 08:16:08 am
Longer post later today if it doesn't end first.
I forgot you were playing.
Now we've got 3 people who have lurked for the better half of a day. :\
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2014, 08:24:35 am
UI
1. Sadness. I am sad. Being sad doesn't help anything, but make me sad.TolyKWhy did it take you so long to question this question?There's something wrong with asking someone else a question or you don't like Caz' writing?Quote from: Cazmakeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
Also: Why?
2. Exams. I'm within my exams now. Exams hinder most forum progress.
3. Notation. I take notes of people. Does time matter in my period of querying others?
Also why do you only ask questions and keep them brief?
Cheeetar, your case is bad and you should feel bad....Other than guilt-tripping the poor guy, what's in his case that makes him stand out?
My viewpoint--he's playing it safe, but judging by emotion and content though it doesn't look like a -just- decision (I've read the OP aaaand-Jim is being a bit reactive given that day end is NOT PM'd to the mod-it is publicized).
BUT.
Cheeetar announced his intent LONG beforehand. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4973808#msg4973808)
May I ask your response on that and why it seems like you've apparent qualms with it now compared to then?
ZU
Clearly you aren't satisfied with Jim's response. So why are you still waiting given that you think there could be day abilities that might bother you?First point: You did read my post wrong. Does the orange part have anything to do with the last statement and my post?...?I mean about the possibility of day abilities that could affect the lynch. I don't think he has a valid reason of being paranoid, you do. Unless I read your post wrong of course.
What I said is that I also think Jim isn't scum because of those reasons.
This is what I hate about you- you always state in extremes (with 'always' meaning: everytime I see you talk about me)
And the kill must be announced in red. Or am I missing something in your thoughts, ZU?
Second point: Where did you get me being paranoid there? My intent was not paranoia..personal or otherwise, but in guessing Cheeetar (also, putting my shoes in speculating that kinda role he was giving because it was interesting, and it just doesn't make sense
*reads OP*
Yep!)
Third point: What is the purple statement addressing?
Last point: Pleeeaaaasssee detail your posts more. I do not want to keep up with your kind of special brevity. u__u
Your Highness
Tiny poke-I do believe you as leaning town given your output (and by output here and in the quote below I mean 'what the person chooses to post. 'Out'put) but one tiny question. Did you evaluate Jim because of his mannerism in speaking or perhaps something else? Metaknowledge?
Our logic diverges at the orange part. He doesn't know you are town, if so..and it seems redundant to point that out given the whole context.Quote[Jim: If you are town, use this time to put something concrete down in terms of suspicions.] If you flip as town, then we have somebody we know is good at the game and we know we can trust who's laid down very useful Day 1 stuff to work off of... as long as you actually do post usable stuff.I believe the secondary parts are linked to the one in brackets. How 'useful' is he now? From all his posts-do you not see much use in them?
Not really! His suspicions are on me, and I can't see him being suspicious of me as useful, given that I already know I'm town- him being suspicious of the new player being new is also kinda doubtful in terms of how much we can use it.
His suspicion on a new player is valid in the way that he's trying to get a gleaning identity from them-new players can easily hang on the newbie card--though it is only used once, and will be apparent later on more often than not (re-read KM4..Nope. I didn't find SaintDraze as scum :v).
But do you not see his suspicions on you? I mean, what exactly in his posts ping your scumdar? I did note what your intent was in choosing the lynch-however I do note that there should be deeper notes in your pick.
Caz
I can vouch for Imp that she sent me a message that she was experiencing residential problems (like, water. Molds. Bad piping. :X) aaaand work stress, but take that in mind just for a bit. Makeinu also was busy/tired out as mentioned earlier. I wish them both my blessings and prayers that they're ok though.There's many people contributing less than Jim. If he's such a good player as you thought, why was it so easy for you to figure out he was lurking scum? Makeinu and Imp are doing much better jobs of lurking, imo.Spoiler: Tiruin edited this by spoilering it (click to show/hide)
Plus the general rule "If Jim is still alive Day2, he's scum". Lynching him day1 when there's better candidates... I dunno, you could have found a better lynch imo. What happened to your suspicions on me? Not recommending that you actually lynch me either, but you know.
ANYWAY.
Mmhrr..not getting a good idea from the orange part. Worried about being lynched there? Why?
Cheeeetar: Query-why exactly Jim of all people?
Spoiler: You did mention stuff on him here (click to show/hide)
May I ask a general read from you on everyone? The reason in the spoiler above seems to have cut out and fizzled on Jim alone.
PPE: Oh hey! Persus is playing too!
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>__>
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2014, 08:26:43 am
OmgsorryCaz.
Sorry for getting the pronouns wrong >__> I didn't know and sorry for that!
Post by: Persus13 on February 05, 2014, 08:29:27 am
Sorry, I've been really busy with personal stuff and school.Longer post later today if it doesn't end first.
I forgot you were playing.
Now we've got 3 people who have lurked for the better half of a day. :\
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on February 05, 2014, 08:48:20 am
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 08:53:16 am
Tiny poke-I do believe you as leaning town given your output (and by output here and in the quote below I mean 'what the person chooses to post. 'Out'put) but one tiny question. Did you evaluate Jim because of his mannerism in speaking or perhaps something else? Metaknowledge?
The way he's acted (disdain towards the effort put into the flavour of the game & people having fun with roleplaying a bit) haven't been in his favour, but they're not why he's going to be executed.
Not really! His suspicions are on me, and I can't see him being suspicious of me as useful, given that I already know I'm town- him being suspicious of the new player being new is also kinda doubtful in terms of how much we can use it.Our logic diverges at the orange part. He doesn't know you are town, if so..and it seems redundant to point that out given the whole context.
His suspicion on a new player is valid in the way that he's trying to get a gleaning identity from them-new players can easily hang on the newbie card--though it is only used once, and will be apparent later on more often than not (re-read KM4..Nope. I didn't find SaintDraze as scum :v).
But do you not see his suspicions on you? I mean, what exactly in his posts ping your scumdar? I did note what your intent was in choosing the lynch-however I do note that there should be deeper notes in your pick.
His posts seemed lazy- not particularly interested in finding the scum, just posts for the sake of having some posts. Low content stuff. It's not the most scummy behaviour, but it's the most scummy seeming of all the people here.
Cheeeetar: Query-why exactly Jim of all people?but there are also others who haven't done much 'scumhunting' (flavorhunting, more likely) and there are also those who may be scumhunting, but more along the side of 'Q&A format activity guise'.Spoiler: You did mention stuff on him here (click to show/hide)
May I ask a general read from you on everyone? The reason in the spoiler above seems to have cut out and fizzled on Jim alone.
The reason I picked Jim out of everybody was that he has the most experience here. When I look to be suspicious of people because of lack of content, the people who know how to produce content but aren't producing stick out.
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2014, 09:02:00 am
Imp - Cille Edithsdatter - While she and Caz are in the same level of unsurity, I'd doubt that scum would play a flavor-smokescreen given the apparent announcements. That and I'm partially biased along the 'she's busy with RL' note, still leaning Unsure either way.
Persus13 - Gwenhwyfar - ...Apologies muchly for I..forgot that he was playing. Ngh.
makeinu - Viggo Valentinsen - Mostly always reads town for me-and even if he was scum that I detected some differences before, they're not showing up now (or not that much anyways). Lacking activity does not help my radar in its sound detection process though the priority level in how he analyzes and questions seem...lacking, for lack of a word. Unsure.
Cheeetar - Ansgar Danielsen - Hey, Mr. King! :D While everything seems in place with how he acts-I wonder if there's a hidden agenda to how he picks--hence the question of 'what if everyone plays well' and all. However understanding it from the shoes of a king-every eye is on you, and there will be at least 2 voices poised against your downfall, or who will cheese up with you, Either way, seems to be playing it either safely, or he's trying to make a move to crack one of the others.
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The results don't seem well in either his favor or for Jim's. Disputed. Undergoing.
Caz - Vivianus of Austyn - Same as Imp! Though given her (omg so sorry Caz Dx I seriously didn't wish to spite you or anything. It's how I pronounce your name!) recent posts it speaks quite well of her ideology. Unsure how blending with flavor works as scumhunting but the reads so far keep me on the green side.
Urist Imiknorris - Rød Grønsdatter - Questions muchly. Though I see many questions. Pretty unsure yet again as in this aspect I can't decide that well whether town/scum act as such--his questions do not seem to be made on shaky foundations or illogical prepositions and are reasonable in their outcome. Of recent note, the points have been sharpened to an admirable performance. Unsure. Town-ish along with Jim.
SuperBlackCat - Kisa Albertsdatter - Towny-newbie-towny due to...well, not much, but I am seriously not getting that weird scum-twitch in any of his notes. While he seems to be reacting to questions-I do see questioning, albeit to a small sample of this population-his stances and disposition (as well as how he treats his lines of communication [Q/A]) are informative. Yeah he seems the only one to be labeled as 'towny' or whatever because I seriously think he's NOT a good idea for the lynch today. Unsure.
Tiruin - Giovanna da Venezia - Meow~ Town!
Jim Groovester - Mark II of House Magnus - Seems assertive/aggressive. Unsure. Unsure, also, if he's playing for emotional/reactionary advances. More unsure on whether he's also under stress via reputation (I mean, I do like putting on his shoes. It really does feel bad when you know you're being gunned at because 'class A player, proven, certified and registered'.) however he does level a good argument against Cheeetar's supposed(?) action against him. I do not have any scummy read on him. Unsure but compared to all the other unsures, I'm unsure if I'm OK with staying at this level of agreement with him than being unsure on whether he's benevolent.
TolyK - Tadeusz Brzęczyszczykiewicz - Must. Post. More. Unsure. What little I've got are either answers to questions, or..minor questions that don't seem like he's asking for getting own notes--reading up, much?
I quite do like pronouncing his surname in a variety of accents though. The 'z's are pretty fun.
Toaster - Maren Jørgensdatter - Must ALSO post more! Has been quite astute though, in the posts that I've read. Not that much of a note.
zombie urist - Louisa von Solenheim - That brevity does not bode well with me. But I may be really biased that way. Unsure.
Posterity: All those with a vague/unsure tag are..really unsure. Continuing the reads later on as time goes by.
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Somehow I find the Kingmaker a strange setup. Either people are slacking off (or its just me having a weird sense of time distortion..hours feel like DAYS here) or doing the nice '1 post/day' that I can't get enough of a read--and the ol' VOTE=NOTE on them does not seem to hold (ZU's proposal of a blue-format seems best. Only few are using it. :X)
And before people ask about me in that context--yes, I prefer to keep on questioning without showing my vote because of psychological factors. Some say that being calm and relaxed works when tension is not present-but when timed right other than using it as pressure (and making the context stable enough to make it seem serious), it works wonders far more than an inferred pressure vote.
PPE x2 MRAAAWHHH.
Tiruin: If you want my view on why Cheeetar's case is bad, read the part of my last post that I addressed to him.Ah, thanks! :D
..I did not edit the above because argh. Posterity.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 09:04:48 am
General read on everybody:
Imp - Not too much content. Lots of posting towards the start of the day, mostly flavour (which is fine) but petered out a bit recently. Busy with something, maybe?
Persus13 - Not too much content.
makeinu - No idea.
Caz - Thinking probably third party. Answer towards RVS question about third parties being of not much worry, odd aggression towards SBC, stuff like that.
Urist Imiknorris - Town-ish? Posting mostly reasonable stuff.
SuperBlackCat - Too new to read (?)
Tiruin - Lots of activity, lots of content. Actually seems invested in the game, which is great. Town?
Jim Groovester - That guy.
TolyK - Kind of leaning towards scummy. Some strange bits, don't really wanna go read through all his posts at the moment.
Toaster - A bit of scumhunting, suspicious of me (but everybody seems to be looking at me odd now).
zombie urist - Sure wish he'd post more.
This probably isn't going to be that useful, but, maybe?
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2014, 09:13:49 am
Tiruin - Lots of activity, lots of content. Actually seems invested in the game, which is great. Town?While I'd luuurve to keep quiet about this I believe that Tiruin's Activity is not directly proportionate to how towny she is, but the essence or substance of her posts! :D
And yeah I'm interested. Since when do I get a role who has made wooden armor, a wooden sword (or..stick. Literally), and a javelin and actually won fair combat against an armored knight? It's the flavor that attracts me!
Like honey. My sweettooth burns at this flavor. Awesome flavor. *_*
And you don't even want to know how many fantasies I've cooked up at goading Fortinbras over Denmark's awesomeness!
Really.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 09:18:27 am
Post by: Caz on February 05, 2014, 10:01:44 am
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2014, 10:04:56 am
Cheeetar, as has been already said before (I know, I know :P), those are shaky reasons to get at Jim. They also remind me of this conversation that I took part in:
TolyKAgreed that it's unfair, but that is exactly how I would think.1. That...really is unfair.TolyK(1) Kinda - since I don't have information today, I would kill the guy I'd most be afraid of as scum. (2) He's that guy in this case, because he is very experienced and (afair) pointed me out as scum way too easily. >.> Also, as he said, he's usually strongly condemning and pushing, which really gets my on the edge regardless of faction. :P1. I see uncertainty, and I see Jim. Does Jim relevant to uncertainty?Tolyk:Huh. I could tell who I wouldn't (the King, since he's being very thoughtful :P), but who I would kill... Jim? I don't really have all the information I need, but I'd be afraid of playing scum against Jim. :P
If you were one of the assassins, and had to make the choice of whom to kill right now, who would it be? Why?
2. Also why specifically Jim?
3. Also2: Anything on your mind or are you not curious on asking us things? What are your thoughts on the Kingmaker setup?
(3) I wanted to finish rereading before asking questions (rather, I make questions as I reread). I already shared my thoughts on how it's different to play a Kingmaker, or do you mean something else?
2. Jim? Yeah, restating: Unfair. You panic on being 'pointed out as scum'? Could you explain what that meant?
...
'my on the edge'? What?
3. Good! Now why do you think killing who you feared is a better idea than anything else?
Uh, because I would be less nervous and less likely to slip?
Has nobody noticed that I actually specifically said Jim here? And that Cheeetar's "case" on him looks similar?
I'm also appalled that Tiruin didn't notice this correlation as well. It's as if you're playing two separate games, so to say.
PPE: I really really need to stop using :P-faces. I just realized how obnoxious it can be... >.>
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2014, 10:19:20 am
I mean its not easy diversifying advanced human philosophy, Statistics (*hiss*) and other stuffs in liberal arts with Mafia...they're all related.
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Also i guess that skipped my mind due to me seeing Cheetar's post before I logged out, then logging in and seeing page 25 (normal forum format [15 page per post]) and thinking I didn't miss anything. >_>
Thanks for that though.
Following up on that...
Why SBC/Caz?This was to me? My answer's pretty typical - SBC and Cheetar/Caz tied for second.TolyK:
You didn't answer me about your top two suspects.
SBC - worried about revealing his role, citing previous situation where he was scum for his actions
Imp - uncharacteristic lack of posts, but waiting to hear more from her before i decide on this
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Agreed that it's unfair, but that is exactly how I would think.Why fear? Next: Your really think fear is a nice way of making you slip?Quote from: Seems like this is what you're replying to3. Good! Now why do you think killing who you feared is a better idea than anything else?Uh, because I would be less nervous and less likely to slip?
I'll just get out my interrogation face now.
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Why don't I have any serious question from you?I cut and edited out the other quotes but...your 'No' seems to be replying to nothing and the sentence afterwards..talks about the only other thing possible. That question.
Also: You've never seen long posts. :I
No, I guess I haven't seen long posts, it's just longer that what I'm used to.
I don't currently have time to ask you serious questions at the moment, sorry.)
What are you saying 'No' to?
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2014, 10:22:52 am
So what point does similarity serve?-stuff-
Has nobody noticed that I actually specifically said Jim here? And that Cheeetar's "case" on him looks similar?[...]
Wherein said similarity = 'When you're afraid...who ya gonna kill?'
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PPE: I really really need to stop using :P-faces. I just realized how obnoxious it can be... >.>It actually gives off the gesture that you're joking (well, to me, ever since) so yes. Please cut it off before I do assume you're joking, thank you.
Post by: makeinu on February 05, 2014, 01:06:49 pm
Quote from: CazandI don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.Does RVS have a time limit?As I was told before, RVS ends when people start getting suspicions. And that asking random questions after there's a sizable amount of content is created seems to be lazy. Asking random questions is "lazy" because you should be asking questions to people who have done something not-to-par. We don't have enough material for pinning the scum tag on anyone, however pinning the "watch this guy" tag is definitely possible.Do you earnestly believe there's enough material on the floor to make informed decisions about who is scum and why? If so- who do you think is scum, and why?Quote from: Cazmakeinu: If you were scum and picked as king, who would you try to get lynched and why?I don't like this RVS question after RVS ended.
I rather do like the question, actually. Having caught up a bit, I'll answer it.
In the event I were scum and King for the day, I would execute Jim Groovester, presuming he's not scum of course.
Why?
Because he's a dangerous player, from what I've seen. Priority as scum, in the absence of knowledge of power roles, must be to eliminate those most likely to ferret out scum.
And that's why I'm a tad troubled by Cheetar's decision to eliminate Jim today, as I'm not seeing the reason for it that he is. That warrants questioning and suspicion.
Forgive me if you've already answered this, Cheetar, I'm answering questions as I hit them, but can you please detail your case against Jim?
Post by: Toaster on February 05, 2014, 01:42:02 pm
Alright. Going back on my earlier statement that I would execute who I thought was scum as soon as I was certain- I'm going to be executing Jim. Yes, he's a terrific mafia player and he'd be a fantastic boon to town if he was town- the only problem is that he hasn't been a boon as far as I've seen. He's barely been scumhunting and he's been on the lower end of activity in terms of posting. I'm supposed to expect more from him as town, and if he's not done much at all then it's easy to see him as scum trying to slip by unnoticed. Jim: If you are town, use this time to put something concrete down in terms of suspicions. If you flip as town, then we have somebody we know is good at the game and we know we can trust who's laid down very useful Day 1 stuff to work off of... as long as you actually do post usable stuff.
While I sort of get what you're saying, this is like some sort of retrograde appeal to authority in "He's good but not saying much; he must be SCUM!" I don't agree with that logic. Scumhunting across the board has been low, so trying to lynch because you say that one player isn't contributing enough just isn't going to cut it. This choice really seems very arbitrary when compared to the other people with plenty of experience who are contributing less.
I was worried that people who had day activities might use them in attempt to stop the lynch or redirect it. If it happens, though, I suppose that'll be the next King's worry.
Somehow I find this hard to believe.
There will be no time between me making a decision to execute somebody and them being executed. Judgement shall be swift to all traitors. I will, however, let all those I suspect present a case as to their innocence.
What happened to this?
Toaster - A bit of scumhunting, suspicious of me (but everybody seems to be looking at me odd now).
I suspected you before it was cool.
Caz:
Everyone
Would like your thoughts on lynching Jim. Does anyone actually think this is a good idea?
I don't really have any scum reads on Jim, so I can't say I'm in favor.
Persus and Urist I: Who would you lynch today? I want at least one name that isn't Cheeetar.
Tiruin:
I can vouch for Imp that she sent me a message that she was experiencing residential problems (like, water. Molds. Bad piping. :X)
Sent you a message? Not the mod or the thread, but in your quicktopic?
Some general reads, since all the cool kids are doing it. If a name isn't listed, there's no real read.
Cheeetar: Poor choice of lynch with poor reasoning. Playing his cards very close to his chest for someone in such a public position.
Caz: Not much concrete here, but is pinging my gut.
Urist I: Has exactly one (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134482.msg4983513#msg4983513) post with any real content in it. This is suspiciously low.*
Jim: While I don't have much to say for or against Jim, I don't think his lynch is a good iea.
SBC: I'm feeling new town on this one.
*Cheeetar, why doesn't this ping you? UI is fairly experienced as well.
Post by: Vector on February 05, 2014, 02:31:56 pm
Flavor PMs now being composed.
Post by: makeinu on February 05, 2014, 03:05:44 pm
*yawn*
You, sir, are hilarious!!
Yes, yes, I'm fantastic.
I can't shake the feeling that you're lurking.
Sure you can. All you have to do is try.
Real life has gobbled me up.
Post by: zombie urist on February 05, 2014, 03:28:08 pm
EveryoneWhile I don't think Jim is scummy, this post stands out to me as appealing to the majority. Hmrmheuhuhhuhm
Would like your thoughts on lynching Jim. Does anyone actually think this is a good idea?
ZUI mean you think he has a valid of being paranoid. I don't think its likely there are day-abilities that affect the lynch.Clearly you aren't satisfied with Jim's response. So why are you still waiting given that you think there could be day abilities that might bother you?First point: You did read my post wrong. Does the orange part have anything to do with the last statement and my post?...?I mean about the possibility of day abilities that could affect the lynch. I don't think he has a valid reason of being paranoid, you do. Unless I read your post wrong of course.
What I said is that I also think Jim isn't scum because of those reasons.
This is what I hate about you- you always state in extremes (with 'always' meaning: everytime I see you talk about me)
And the kill must be announced in red. Or am I missing something in your thoughts, ZU?
Second point: Where did you get me being paranoid there? My intent was not paranoia..personal or otherwise, but in guessing Cheeetar (also, putting my shoes in speculating that kinda role he was giving because it was interesting, and it just doesn't make sense
*reads OP*
Yep!)
Third point: What is the purple statement addressing?
Last point: Pleeeaaaasssee detail your posts more. I do not want to keep up with your kind of special brevity. u__u
Post by: Caz on February 05, 2014, 03:35:19 pm
EveryoneWhile I don't think Jim is scummy, this post stands out to me as appealing to the majority. Hmrmheuhuhhuhm
Would like your thoughts on lynching Jim. Does anyone actually think this is a good idea?
Not appealing anything, but would like the opinions of everyone before he hammers.
ZUI mean you think he has a valid of being paranoid. I don't think its likely there are day-abilities that affect the lynch.Clearly you aren't satisfied with Jim's response. So why are you still waiting given that you think there could be day abilities that might bother you?First point: You did read my post wrong. Does the orange part have anything to do with the last statement and my post?...?I mean about the possibility of day abilities that could affect the lynch. I don't think he has a valid reason of being paranoid, you do. Unless I read your post wrong of course.
What I said is that I also think Jim isn't scum because of those reasons.
This is what I hate about you- you always state in extremes (with 'always' meaning: everytime I see you talk about me)
And the kill must be announced in red. Or am I missing something in your thoughts, ZU?
Second point: Where did you get me being paranoid there? My intent was not paranoia..personal or otherwise, but in guessing Cheeetar (also, putting my shoes in speculating that kinda role he was giving because it was interesting, and it just doesn't make sense
*reads OP*
Yep!)
Third point: What is the purple statement addressing?
Last point: Pleeeaaaasssee detail your posts more. I do not want to keep up with your kind of special brevity. u__u
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Still wondering why we're in daytime. Cheeetar said early in the day that he would execute swiftly, and has said since then that he "probably" won't be changing his mind... so why the suspense?
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 04:59:24 pm
Also also I don't think Jim is scum.
Cheeetar, your case is bad and you should feel bad.
Everyone
Would like your thoughts on lynching Jim. Does anyone actually think this is a good idea?
Cheeetar: Your case on Jim doesn't seem very concrete at all,
Cheeetar, as has been already said before (I know, I know :P), those are shaky reasons to get at Jim.
Jim: While I don't have much to say for or against Jim, I don't think his lynch is a good iea.
And that's why I'm a tad troubled by Cheetar's decision to eliminate Jim today, as I'm not seeing the reason for it that he is. That warrants questioning and suspicion.
Look at that! Seven people! That's a simple majority of people who think lynching me is a bad idea.
It's a good thing we have a king who will make decision with the support, and if not that, then the assent, of the majority of players in the game.
I'll do that tomorrow. When the person who's arguing with me is just calling me stupid over and over again in the worst possible ways, I don't have much motivation to play.
Yeah, what a fucking miserable time. Getting shouted at by the guy you're ignoring because you're too much of a fucking coward to face him or his arguments directly.
It's fucking insulting that I am going to be lynched by play this shitty.
Post by: Tiruin on February 05, 2014, 05:54:30 pm
PFP
Oops! :X Forgot to detail it. That was a message quite some time ago (Jan 28-ish) and by sending me a message--I mean in the BM. Sorry for that! (Also the mod would see it because quicktopic..I don't get how that makes sense)I can vouch for Imp that she sent me a message that she was experiencing residential problems (like, water. Molds. Bad piping. :X)
Sent you a message? Not the mod or the thread, but in your quicktopic?
ZU
I'd poke you again for brevity and continuous wording because :I you aren't answering my questions in an understandable way.ZUI mean you think he has a valid of being paranoid. I don't think its likely there are day-abilities that affect the lynch.Clearly you aren't satisfied with Jim's response. So why are you still waiting given that you think there could be day abilities that might bother you?First point: You did read my post wrong. Does the orange part have anything to do with the last statement and my post?...?I mean about the possibility of day abilities that could affect the lynch. I don't think he has a valid reason of being paranoid, you do. Unless I read your post wrong of course.
What I said is that I also think Jim isn't scum because of those reasons.
This is what I hate about you- you always state in extremes (with 'always' meaning: everytime I see you talk about me)
And the kill must be announced in red. Or am I missing something in your thoughts, ZU?
Second point: Where did you get me being paranoid there? My intent was not paranoia..personal or otherwise, but in guessing Cheeetar (also, putting my shoes in speculating that kinda role he was giving because it was interesting, and it just doesn't make sense
*reads OP*
Yep!)
Third point: What is the purple statement addressing?
Last point: Pleeeaaaasssee detail your posts more. I do not want to keep up with your kind of special brevity. u__u
....And yes I meant that, ever since. Yay for the second sentence. At least it gets the point across. As a generality. >__>
Jim
Look at that! Seven people! That's a simple majority of people who think lynching me is a bad idea.I am left out, why? >_>
I'll do that tomorrow. When the person who's arguing with me is just calling me stupid over and over again in the worst possible ways, I don't have much motivation to play.
Yeah, what a fucking miserable time. Getting shouted at by the guy you're ignoring because you're too much of a fucking coward to face him or his arguments directly.
It's fucking insulting that I am going to be lynched by play this shitty.
Still wondering why we're in daytime. Cheeetar said early in the day that he would execute swiftly, and has said since then that he "probably" won't be changing his mind... so why the suspense?I feel like he's under pressure to make a snap decision and give full clarity behind it (+ comparison) now. Though..I also can't help but feel that he did it to pressure Jim, somewhat.
Post by: Persus13 on February 05, 2014, 06:13:39 pm
Btw:
Gwenhwyfar's (Persus13) is interesting. I think she's going to have to change it though - Our Queen is dead and there are surely more to follow.My character may be female, but I'm definitely male.
Tiruin:
Persus13 - Gwenhwyfar - ...Apologies muchly for I..forgot that he was playing. Ngh.[/quote]
So, no read due to my low inactivity?
Toaster:
Persus and Urist I: Who would you lynch today? I want at least one name that isn't Cheeetar.Well, that's tough. SBC's playing scummily but other then the thing about Paranormal that he hasn't explained at all, he seems to be playing as he normally does.
Other than him, I'd go with Imp, because she seems to have been inactive for longer than me, and if we're going to lynch someone it might as well be a lurker with no information over anyone else.
I was thinking Urist was scummy for speculating that I was the Kingmaker until I realized that originated from a Cheeetar question. So I'm also going to add Cheeetar to my list for rolefishing and looking for the Kingmaker instead of scumhunting.
Everyone else is currently leaning null or town.
Post by: Caz on February 05, 2014, 06:24:32 pm
My character may be female, but I'm definitely male.Ah, I'll correct myself henceforth. I can never get people's genders straight on the internet anyway.
SBC's playing scummily but other then the thing about Paranormal that he hasn't explained at all, he seems to be playing as he normally does.
That doesn't mean much. I like SBC as a lynch so far because he seems worried, and also that if he flips town it won't be a great loss to town since he's new. But thinking like that is also mean as hell and I'm pretty sure half of you think I'm SBC's lyncher, so...
Other than him, I'd go with Imp, because she seems to have been inactive for longer than me, and if we're going to lynch someone it might as well be a lurker with no information over anyone else.Eh, I disagree with this. Lynching a lurker is worse than rolling a dice to choose the lynch. At least choose someone that interacted with others during the day - that way we get extra info and reads. If you were Kingmaker today, who would you execute?
Post by: Caz on February 05, 2014, 06:28:52 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 07:20:25 pm
Spoiler: Toaster (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Jim (click to show/hide)
Gimme a bit and I'll type up whatever replies I have to Jim's points against my points against him.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 07:30:40 pm
So you're telling me that I'm going to be executed because I have committed the crime of failing to live up to your expectations.
That's complete fucking bullshit. I am not responsible for your expectations and I did not join this game to impress you. At the nearest available opportunity please pull your head out of your ass and attempt to use it for its intended purpose, which is to not be a dipshit. At the moment you are failing miserably in this regard.
Weak scumhunting. Fucking bullshit. Typical lazy arguments to justify a bullshit lynch. I've done more scumhunting than you, that's for sure. I don't think you would have had the cajones to call the king scum.
And accusing me of being on the lower end of activity is also factually untrue. I have more posts than eight players in the game, and I'm only beaten by you, Tiruin, and Caz. Go fucking figure, I'm actually on the upper end of activity! Check the fucking Lurkertracker if you don't believe me.
Sure, phrase it however you like. You have a reputation of knowing how to play the game, and if one day you suddenly don't I'll look to that in suspicion. What scumhunting I've seen from you is weak- simply asserting that it isn't is lame. You may have had posts, but that doesn't mean you've been contributing much content.
I was worried that people who had day activities might use them in attempt to stop the lynch or redirect it. If it happens, though, I suppose that'll be the next King's worry.
Ha ha, classic. You had no intention of owning up to your decision at all. Lynch 'em before they can get the chance to protest, right?
How the fuck you though this was a good idea at all is beyond me.
You want my scumhunting contribution? Here:
You are a fucking liar and scum. Your arguments are bullshit and lies and you attempted to hide your decision to avoid scrutiny on it. In the remote chance that you are town, please lynch yourself, to make future days easier on the rest of the town, so we don't have to worry about whether you are scum or not and can proceed with the scumhunt with that question resolved.
Not much to respond to here.
Post by: zombie urist on February 05, 2014, 08:06:04 pm
Its weak. Its not weak.
Not appealing anything, but would like the opinions of everyone before he hammers.That's a very biased way of asking opinions.
I probably can't post again before "day end"
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 08:25:51 pm
I am the Kingmaker. Since I couldn't choose myself as king, and with nothing other than meta and luck to guide the decision I decided to choose randomly and ended up with Cheeetar. Clearly this was a terrible idea.
If somebody counterclaims, then they are scum and they are dumb for outing themselves. If not, then everyone will know I'm town and you have even less of a leg to stand on to support this lynch than you do now.
I am left out, why? >_>
Because I couldn't find a convenient quote wherein you stated you were against my lynch?
It's okay, you can be included too. Counting you and me and all the people I quoted, that's 3/4 of all players against my lynch. The only two people who have yet to state an opinion about it are Imp and Superblackcat, but they haven't been around to state an opinion on anything.
I think it's pretty clear that everybody overwhelmingly thinks Cheeetar's lynch choice is a terrible idea. The only reason he's going to go through with it is because he's scum and he feels like a lost cause, so might as well take somebody down with him.
More in a bit; wanted to get this out there.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 08:29:28 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 08:30:23 pm
Post by: Toaster on February 05, 2014, 08:34:56 pm
I am the Kingmaker. Since I couldn't choose myself as king, and with nothing other than meta and luck to guide the decision I decided to choose randomly and ended up with Cheeetar. Clearly this was a terrible idea.
Psh, obviously this is fake because you didn't pick me.
(Hint if you're not sure: This is sarcasm)
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 08:40:26 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 08:41:14 pm
Post by: Toaster on February 05, 2014, 08:44:03 pm
The Kingmaker is 100% town. If Jim is not the Kingmaker, the real one should claim now, and then we lynch Jim. Should he in fact flip Kingmaker, the counterclaimant will be executed at D2 start.
If no one counterclaims him, he's legit, and therefore town.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 08:47:39 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 08:48:30 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 08:52:14 pm
Post by: zombie urist on February 05, 2014, 08:53:41 pm
I think Caz, UI, Imp should be considered, reasons later.
Post by: Persus13 on February 05, 2014, 08:54:28 pm
Anyway, what happens if a Kingmaker dies?
Post by: Toaster on February 05, 2014, 08:55:38 pm
Post by: Vector on February 05, 2014, 08:56:43 pm
Anyway, what happens if a Kingmaker dies?
Vector: If the Kingmaker dies, will a new player become Kingmaker? Is this person guaranteed Town?
A new player will become Kingmaker. I will check with Webadict on the other thing, just to be sure I understand his intentions with the mechanics.The rules for choosing a Kingmaker are that the player MUST be Town and MUST be alive. If they die (permanently, as in revives would not change them) or are converted, they cease to be the Kingmaker and a new one is chosen. If, at any point, there is no one eligible to be Kingmaker, the vote system becomes regular voting, with all players being able to vote.
I'm going to add to this that if someone steals their power or they get depowered or anything like that (I'm sure I'm not covering all of the possibilities), same thing! There's going to be a town Kingmaker.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 09:00:04 pm
I'd prefer you chop your own head off, to be honest.
Work with me here. The fact that I'm not executing you as soon as you reveal that you're the Kingmaker should be at least one point in my favour. Keep in mind that you're a prime target for scumkill this night phase as well- we need your suspicions as soon as possible.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 09:06:05 pm
Aside from that.
I don't know, you figure it out. Surely you have a list of suspects longer than a single name. Make a convincing case on some other target to mislynch, completely unlike your case on me. Or maybe try bussing one of your buddies. It would give you mad town cred, yo.
I have my suspect list. You are at the top. In fact, you are doing a handstand at the top. But down in second place, maybe halfway up the page, is Superblackcat, and then crawling around on the bottom of the page is makeinu, Caz, and Tiruin. These last three people are in the strict 'odd gut feeling maybe I dunno' range.
Wait, Toaster and Jim are brothers?
Bros, as in, BFFs, pals, buds, friends.
Work with me here. The fact that I'm not executing you as soon as you reveal that you're the Kingmaker should be at least one point in my favour. Keep in mind that you're a prime target for scumkill this night phase as well- we need your suspicions as soon as possible.
You put me on the brink of execution, and you bring me a step back just because I claimed, and you expect me to be grateful?
Get real.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 09:11:24 pm
Execute Jim Groovester. Nothing in his defence has shown him to be anything other than scum. His intense OMGUSing, overly emotional reaction to being target for the execution, incredibly low content scumhunting... the fact that he's claimed the most powerful role in the game at a time in which his death seems inevitable only makes me suspect him more. The real Kingmaker would have to open himself up to nightkills were he to claim to cement your death.
Guards! Apprehend the luthier. Have him strung up by his lute strings. Horace... Horatio? Bring his belongings to this councilroom, that we may see his allegiance.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 09:13:07 pm
Forgot to bold it- just in case.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 09:19:49 pm
I hope Day 2 ends quick with your head in the noose.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 05, 2014, 09:21:30 pm
Fucking scum kings.
Post by: Cheeetar on February 05, 2014, 09:22:05 pm
Post by: Vector on February 05, 2014, 09:30:11 pm
Post by: Vector on February 05, 2014, 11:20:08 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/6A6s2b1.png)
Guards! Apprehend the luthier. Have him strung up by his lute strings. Horace... Horatio? Bring his belongings to this councilroom, that we may see his allegiance.
Despite the King's bluster, Mark II of the House of Magnus is simply too large to hang. In fact, the guards sent to apprehend this glowering figure with eyes that glow like candles hang back for a minute, slack-jawed, staring, their halberds nearly slipping from their hands.
Mark II was, after all, not crafted for music like his brother, Mark I. His heart, though given as it was on occasion to reverie, to long flights of fancy, to glorious imaginings, was not the sort to pour out its sentiments to the tune of a lyre. What could one expect from a heart of iron? How could a poet's heart be replicated in cold metal? So they stare stupefied at this glorious steel giant, an overgrown suit of armor, fists jointed and articulate, face crudely painted, before hurrying to bind it in chains. They fear its resistance; they feared its strength.
"What do you have to say for yourself?" sneers Ansgar Danielsen.
"DEATH TO HUMANS," says Mark II. The executioner, still unhooded, axe in his sweating hand, pisses himself.
"How is it talking?" says the serving boy Phaedrus, who has wandered in at the commotion.
"Never mind that," mutters Adolf Alexandersen, captain of the guard. "How are we going to kill it?"
After much commotion, debate, and pounding of Danielsen's gavel, it is agreed that the guards will somehow drag the iron man to the tallest tower, from which he will be pushed.
This cannot be done until some hours past dusk, as every able-bodied person in the castle takes turns rolling the stubborn Mark II up the stairs. By the end, Horatio has thrown out his back and limps off with an arm around Phaedrus' shoulders, who is upset he will not see the execution and caterwauls periodic complaints to this effect. The night breeze feels good on your sweating faces. Mark II's carapace was, at times, almost too hot to touch, and from time to time he would buzz disconcertingly.
Now he stands atop the crenelated wall, iron boots planted on the edge.
"Shall I tip him?" says Adolf. Mark II intentionally stepped on his foot once during the rolling, and he is itching for revenge.
"Give me your spear," says old Ansgar. He hefts the weapon in his hand, lodges the point in the automaton's lower back, and gives a mighty push. Mark II is tipped. He falls without windmilling, sinking through the air with a whistle, and falls, and falls, and falls...
And shatters, inconveniently, in the torchlit center of the path leading up to the castle, in a splatter of yellow and black and blue ink, and a strange amber liquid, and grease--which immediately, inconveniently, catches fire and blazes feet into the air.
Moments later Horatio returns, panting, with a bundle of parchment. Phaedrus follows up behind with a fancy hand mirror, which he forgets on the parapet in favor of gawking at the fire below.
"Sire," quoth Horatio. "The--iron man's effects."
"It says 'DEATH TO SIGFRED AND DEATH TO THE BITCH QUEEN' in red ink for a great many feet, with each entry signed and dated," Ansgar comments drily. He throws Mark II's diary onto the fire below, where it burns merrily. "It seems we have found a traitor."
"Huzzah!" everyone says, with the enthusiasm of the very exhausted.
And, with that, you return to your rooms to rest your aching bodies and prepare for the morrow.
The steward had his own depths and delusions. He yet pondered, months later, why the Queen would include the scion of Magnus in her court, accept a metal beast onto her council.
How could she not have known?
He sets down his drink, and his ale-fogged brain turns the same question over, as it did on other nights in other warm taverns. Prince Sigfred had abdicated in order to evade the pact between the ruler of the land and its goddess; and rather than take a bride, he had offered the crown to the cleverest of his suitors. He understood Sigfred, and knew his fear as his own; they had, after all, grown up together. The Queen, however, was a cipher, and despite serving five years at her side he still could not scry into her motivations. He had had a sense, speaking with her, that she peered into his soul and knew him better than he knew himself--and his mysterious Queen, dressed in black, had eyes all over the realm, peering, knowing what he had never quite told anyone.
"A face that sour must have a story," the barkeep says, offering him another tankard.
"No," slurs Horatio into his cups. "Not I."
It is now night. Send in your night actions, please--including flavor actions for those who wish to do so. You have until 7:00 PM (-8GMT) on Friday to send these in. Please CC myself and Webadict. At that point I will spend a lump of time--hopefully a mere 24 hours, since I'm feeling better and have a better idea of everyone's character--processing the night flavor.
Spoiler: Mark II of House Magnus (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vector on February 08, 2014, 10:39:05 pm
Post by: Vector on February 11, 2014, 07:37:52 pm
Post by: Vector on February 16, 2014, 04:04:01 am
Post by: Vector on February 17, 2014, 10:08:42 pm
Post by: Vector on February 21, 2014, 09:34:57 pm
I've been battling health issues for the past couple months that make it hard to get anything done. I've been loath to say anything about it, because I feel bad and I keep wondering if it will go away soon. But for now, I really just can't update in a timely way, because I have other responsibilities that I'm also far behind on due to these issues. Job-things. Real-world responsibilities. There's not as much I can get done in the day when I'm sleeping 10+ hours.
If my health problems get fixed, then this should be done almost immediately. But for now, I'm sorry. Please keep waiting patiently.
Post by: Vector on March 09, 2014, 12:36:19 pm
Okay, don't get ready, don't hurt yourselves, maybe get yourself a scone and some tea and prepare to wait a while longer, but do it in an anticipatory sort of way. I can't promise all the PMs will be sent out today since I no longer have the energy to write for 17 hours straight, but I'm hoping for about half.
EDIT: Added theme music :I
Post by: Vector on September 20, 2014, 11:42:49 pm
Here's the google doc with all the role concepts (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nEb95yZGwqUlCVRjqg7y-wQ8TuTCBZqw1tT_yAI1pVg/edit)
Spoiler: Mother Death headshot (click to show/hide)
Scumchat (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/ipD3ykXEK2S)
First, the ladies of the town:
Spoiler: Giovanna da Venezia (Tiruin) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Maren Jørgensdatter (Toaster) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Gwenhwyfar (Persus13) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Cille Edithsdatter (Imp) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Kisa Albertsdatter (SuperBlackCat) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vector on September 20, 2014, 11:43:44 pm
Spoiler: Ansgar Danielsen (Cheeetar) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Vivianus of Austen (Caz) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Viggo Valentinsen (Makeinu) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vector on September 20, 2014, 11:44:05 pm
Spoiler: Mark II (Jim Groovester) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Louisa von Solenheim (zombie urist) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Tadeusz Brzęczyszczykiewicz (TolyK) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Rød Grønsdatter (Urist Imiknorris) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on September 20, 2014, 11:52:42 pm
Yaaaay on everything though! ^ ^
All right, here's a dump of all the PMs. This game is closed and will not be restarted. I'm very sorry that I didn't just close it back in March, or sooner.QuoteHuh, nearly accurate, my fanart is. :DSpoiler: Mother Death headshot (click to show/hide)
Though on said fanart, lost it with my USB...bleh >_>
Still. Love this game to death and beyond.
...And you quoted it as-is! XDQuoteoh my god i'm so sorry your role is totally weirdWhy I love you too. :P
Post by: zombie urist on September 20, 2014, 11:53:23 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on September 21, 2014, 12:05:11 am
Post by: Vector on September 21, 2014, 01:04:29 am
Who blocked me N1? >:(
It was SuperBlackCat being redirected by TolyK from his attempt on Caz. The random redirection is actually the main reason I stopped running the game in the first place--it took so much time to process nights ._.
Thanks for posting these up, Vector. Did you have any plans for what kind of ending you would write depending on who won and the actions taken? I was foreseeing something incredibly dark if I made myself King all the time, for example.
There were a few ideas. I don't want to give too much away, since I suspect I will be running more Mafia games before long (on a geological timescale, perhaps)--but whatever continuation the story has, if any, will be very different in scope, result, etc.
You of course did not have the ability to incessantly crown yourself. It's just that you happened to start off as King #1.
Some of the more interesting hidden elements:
- Gwenhwyfar is actually a ghost riding in the body of Red Shoes, from The Lonely Prince. If you don't recognize the name, it's a Welsh writing of "Guinevere."
- Sunflower victory was going to spark a civil war and lead to a spinoff thing "In the Flower Kingdom" or something
- There is a lot more godawful poetry in various notebooks, which I suspect will be aired in future games
- Phaedrus is this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaedrus_(dialogue)) Phaedrus
- In general, the main question of this game was whether Denmark was going to hold together as a country or fall apart, and under which conditions--which sort of government--it would continue. For example a game led by TolyK would have been theological democracy, Maren's Enlightened Monarchy, and yours... likely some variety of authoritarianist or despotic state, yes. One of the key points of the game is that the "good" and "evil" alignments were spread through town and scum, so that endings that seemed "good" or "bad" weren't so attached to teams so much as individual players. It's a truly political disagreement.
- If you haven't had the chance to check the original doc yet, you should... everyone has a "limit break" ;]
Post by: Cheeetar on September 21, 2014, 01:09:39 am
Re: Why the hell did that jerk lynch Jim Groovester? I was really uncertain, and not thinking too clearly prior to his claim, but the moment he claimed kingmaker was the sweetest I've ever had in Mafia. It was a fakeclaim I could see through instantly and I didn't even have to give myself away to call him on it and lynch him for it.
Post by: Tiruin on September 21, 2014, 01:13:42 am
- Phaedrus is this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaedrus_(dialogue)) PhaedrusBloody knew it! >:I
- Gwenhwyfar is actually a ghost riding in the body of Red Shoes, from The Lonely Prince. If you don't recognize the name, it's a Welsh writing of "Guinevere."And again!
Though I noted this discovery as a passing thought u_u
Grr those times when I get references!
D:Who blocked me N1? >:(
It was SuperBlackCat being redirected by TolyK from his attempt on Caz. The random redirection is actually the main reason I stopped running the game in the first place--it took so much time to process nights ._.
Everyone should've been leveled to my power. I has cats I:<
But really ._. Web's active enough to ask aid on this part :3
"limit breaks" ;]I love you.
Aaaaanway, Vector? Could I volunteer as co-mod somewhere in the future?
I seriously promise it not to die C:
Yeah fear of judgement, I'm looking at you.
Post by: Cheeetar on September 21, 2014, 01:16:46 am
Post by: Vector on September 21, 2014, 01:24:18 am
Post by: Tiruin on September 21, 2014, 01:38:59 am
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Kit-T -> Kit-10 -> CATIt's killing me by laughter, amusement and appreciation. xD
But really. Considerations? YES! :))
Post by: Vector on September 21, 2014, 01:44:47 am
Man, if I knew who wrote that humor in that google doc I'd... :I
LOL, the roles are 100% Wubbadobdobdabdoodle.
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 21, 2014, 02:15:46 am
Spoiler: Ansgar Danielsen (Cheeetar) (click to show/hide)
Well, that was an unfortunate fakeclaim.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 21, 2014, 02:29:17 am
Post by: TolyK on September 21, 2014, 05:30:44 am
Also, I remember the Jimbot role. Splendid xD
Post by: webadict on September 21, 2014, 11:25:51 am
Yeah, I'm sure she could've, but remember that *I* was the one that left. I don't blame her for not asking help from me.D:Who blocked me N1? >:(
It was SuperBlackCat being redirected by TolyK from his attempt on Caz. The random redirection is actually the main reason I stopped running the game in the first place--it took so much time to process nights ._.
Everyone should've been leveled to my power. I has cats I:<
But really ._. Web's active enough to ask aid on this part :3
Also, I figured you'd enjoy the cats.
Post by: Vector on September 21, 2014, 12:15:07 pm
Yeah, I'm sure she could've, but remember that *I* was the one that left. I don't blame her for not asking help from me.
Eh, I wanted to respect your wishes to no longer be involved with mafia--or rather, what I understood to be your wishes at the time.
Post by: webadict on September 21, 2014, 01:45:48 pm
It was a good call, and I did want that at the time. I would've helped, but I wasn't really in a great place at the time, so I do appreciate it.Yeah, I'm sure she could've, but remember that *I* was the one that left. I don't blame her for not asking help from me.
Eh, I wanted to respect your wishes to no longer be involved with mafia--or rather, what I understood to be your wishes at the time.
Post by: Tiruin on September 21, 2014, 01:55:45 pm
._.It was a good call, and I did want that at the time. I would've helped, but I wasn't really in a great place at the time, so I do appreciate it.Yeah, I'm sure she could've, but remember that *I* was the one that left. I don't blame her for not asking help from me.
Eh, I wanted to respect your wishes to no longer be involved with mafia--or rather, what I understood to be your wishes at the time.
/me coughs and sidles away.
On that note: When would we achieve our limit breaks here? (ie Me and SBC for example)? Those looked like fancy attachments.
Post by: webadict on September 21, 2014, 03:05:19 pm
Imp needed to Limit Break herself, allowing her to Limit Break any number of people. She also had the unique ability to Limit Break a second time, allowing her to continually Limit Break people as she wanted.._.It was a good call, and I did want that at the time. I would've helped, but I wasn't really in a great place at the time, so I do appreciate it.Yeah, I'm sure she could've, but remember that *I* was the one that left. I don't blame her for not asking help from me.
Eh, I wanted to respect your wishes to no longer be involved with mafia--or rather, what I understood to be your wishes at the time.
/me coughs and sidles away.
On that note: When would we achieve our limit breaks here? (ie Me and SBC for example)? Those looked like fancy attachments.
Post by: Caz on November 09, 2014, 12:12:30 pm
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ABORTED
Aww. :(
Post by: Vector on November 09, 2014, 12:15:30 pm
QuoteABORTED
Aww. :(
Ehhhh, I'm getting some ideas for a new game :] Don't worry about it!
Post by: Caz on November 09, 2014, 12:41:59 pm
Ehhhh, I'm getting some ideas for a new game :] Don't worry about it!
I'll keep lurking about until then, then. :D
Post by: Tiruin on November 09, 2014, 01:03:32 pm
I'll keep watching for you Caz, until then, then, then! :IEhhhh, I'm getting some ideas for a new game :] Don't worry about it!
I'll keep lurking about until then, then. :D
srsly I miss you two dudes.
Post by: Caz on November 09, 2014, 03:31:40 pm
I'll keep watching for you Caz, until then, then, then! :I
srsly I miss you two dudes.
*waves* o/