Post by: LASD on February 21, 2009, 04:45:40 am
As we have a thread that is organizing a TF2 event, the scout update coming up, have a thread about Gang Garrison and I've got terrible urge to talk about the game, I think we really need a thread about the game "Team Fortress 2" itself.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/TF2_Group.jpg)
For those few that don't know what it is, Team Fortress 2 is Valve's (not originally) revolutionary (not originally), cartoony, humorous, class-based multiplayer first person shooter. And if you haven't tried it, I dare say that it'll be more fun than you have ever had in a FPS. Just check out these videos (http://www.teamfortress.com/movies.htm) by the makers and you will be convinced.
Personally TF2 is the only FPS I have ever liked to play, there's just something so fun and different about it. The classes with their accents and personalities, taunts, shouts, weapons, carts, sandviches, pretty much everything really. Or it might just be the achievements messing up my brain in a non-healthy way. Oh, well, at least I'm having fun.
So, on to the discussion:
What!... do you think of the scout update? (http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/)
Why!... do I lose my stats frequently?
What!... in the world happened to my guest pass?
How!... much fun you've had igniting snipers with the flare gun?
and most importantly...
What!... ever you can think of?!
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Post by: Yanlin on February 21, 2009, 04:57:21 am
Post by: Jack_Bread on February 21, 2009, 06:49:53 am
Post by: Tormy on February 21, 2009, 06:55:45 am
cartoony
This is my biggest problem with the game. I just don't like this gfx style sadly. :-\
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 21, 2009, 08:01:13 am
Good lord Gang Garrison was fun. now if there are as many idiots on the actual game as they are on the knockoff, it should not be too difficult to get accustomed to the style. Now to have my brother download it into the good computer and set steam to offline on i-
Oh, wait a minute...
Crap.
Post by: Aqizzar on February 21, 2009, 09:22:33 am
Team Fortress 2 is Valve's revolutionary...
Let me just stop you right there. Team Fortress was originally a Quake mod cooked up by some amateur data crackers. After a couple abortive attempts to reupdate it in other engines, somebody finally remade it for Half-Life, which Valve then happily paid them to appropriate like they did with CounterStrike. Valve has certainly done some great things with their inhouse remake of the concept, but that 2 in the title does mean something, and isn't even accurate.
Post by: Servant Corps on February 21, 2009, 12:23:51 pm
Post by: Nilocy on February 21, 2009, 12:48:52 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on February 21, 2009, 12:49:32 pm
Still fun though when you have a helpful, fun team.
EDIT: The scout has always been my favorite class too! ;D
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on February 21, 2009, 12:52:19 pm
EDIT: The scout has always been my favorite class too! ;DBONK!!! BONK! BONKBONKBNOK! BOOOOOOOOOOONK! BONK BONK BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK! BONK!
Scout, pyro, spy, soldier, engie... all the way baby.
Post by: Puck on February 21, 2009, 01:00:49 pm
I even have it, I rarely ever play it, I'm not a big fan of shooters. But I do agree with most of the design choices.
Post by: LASD on February 21, 2009, 01:53:24 pm
Now, about the game:
I've had insane amounts of fun with the "Attention Getter" achievement in the last few days.
(http://steamgames.com/tf2/pyro/images/AchievementIcons/attention_getter.png)
Having it on the Head-up display causes the game to play a cheery "Ding"-sound every time I ignite someone with the flare gun, which amuses me to no end. Few times I've even absurdly burst out laughing when "dinging" snipers. Though that must because I have the holiday before final exams, so days are quite stale otherwise.
I'll only need 10 more hits now, which is quite sad.
Also, this feature will become rather hilarious when combined with the new scout achievements. (http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/energydrink.htm) Block a capture, "Ding!", Do a double jump, "Ding!", run ten meters, "Ding", kill someone, "Ding"
Reminds me of an awesome game... (http://armorgames.com/play/2893/achievement-unlocked)
P.S. Duke, TF2 is 20 bucks (or less, if you find a good deal like Orange Box for 20 €, which I did) and will get a lot of free content for a good while still. There should be a free weekend shortly after next Tuesday's scout update, so you can try the game and buy it if you like it.
Post by: Dasleah on February 21, 2009, 06:10:17 pm
You PC kids have it easy these days.
Anyway, for any fellow Bay12ers that want to have some fun and shoot some dudes, add me and we'll find a time to play. The gamertag is Aaronicon.
Post by: Nilocy on February 21, 2009, 06:14:34 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on February 21, 2009, 09:10:33 pm
Post by: Mulch Diggums on February 21, 2009, 10:21:48 pm
I cant wait for the spy update, its my favorite class! I hope they give him a much more accurate revolver, while still having enough damage to actually kill shit.
Post by: Zako on February 22, 2009, 09:22:13 am
I never liked fighting them. They kill me so many times its not funny. If a scout can take on like 3 guys at once an win easily, somethings wrong.
Im not too sure on the scout upgrades either. My only safety, the ubercharge, is gone! That and if an entire team scout rushes, they can continuously stun for an easy win! WHY GOD WHY?!?
Any tips for killing em? :)
Post by: Nilocy on February 22, 2009, 09:51:55 am
Post by: Aldaris on February 22, 2009, 09:59:51 am
The flare gun is great. Its great for pissing of snipers, and making medics run away. And the fact that it has such a short reload time makes it viable to use against everything, turrets for example. I've killed a many great people by spamming flare guns at them.Ah, I was about to meniton turrets, seeing as the flare gun fires in arcs, you can crouch a few metres from the edge of a roof and just spam it into submission as it completely ignores you.
Post by: Dwarfaholic on February 22, 2009, 10:34:13 am
Let me tell you a small story. Imagine Gravelpit, we are defending, and annoying snipers are camping at their starting place near A.
I, annoyed by them constantly jumping around the corner to take potshots, shoot a flaregun shot in disgust. I quickly, without looking where the shot goes, turn around to kill off some annoying spy.
Suddenly, I see my name appear on the screen, next to a crit flare gun image and the name of the sniper. I feel joy.
Post by: Soulwynd on February 22, 2009, 11:22:01 am
Scouts... grrr...TF2 has a rock-paper-scissors scheme, somewhat. Scouts are easier to kill if you're a heavy or a pyro. Demos are alright if you can set a trap first, but that goes for killing anything, sometimes you get lucky and throw a bomb on their face tho.
I never liked fighting them. They kill me so many times its not funny. If a scout can take on like 3 guys at once an win easily, somethings wrong.
Im not too sure on the scout upgrades either. My only safety, the ubercharge, is gone! That and if an entire team scout rushes, they can continuously stun for an easy win! WHY GOD WHY?!?
Any tips for killing em? :)
Post by: LASD on February 22, 2009, 11:37:50 am
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Pyro's shotgun taunt has always been hilarious to me. So is the Heavy's "POW! Haha!"I just got the 1st Heavy Milestone from Show Trial. ;D
(http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/images/AchievementIcons/tf_heavy_kill_taunt.png)
Playing the third stage of Dustbowl, me and the rest of the BLUs were taking a severe beating and REDs were pouring in our base from doors and windows. So I positioned myself in the end of the corridor that has a doorway on its side, turned around and started "POW!"'ing. On the third shot the best player of RED, a Soldier, decided to get through the doorway.
Needless to say, everyone, especially me and him, were very amused.
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Also, do you have any devious tactics that you'd like to share?
I have one, when playing a slow class on defence, I play engineer on setup to upgrade the teleporters of other engis and usually around 15 seconds before the end of setup one of them fires up, I get to the front line as a Heavy right on time and the whole team benefits.
Post by: Soulwynd on February 22, 2009, 02:28:42 pm
You may think the sentry doesn't last long in those cases, but that doesn't matter if you get 2 or 3 kills with it. Just keep shoving it on their faces.
Post by: Onlyhestands on February 22, 2009, 04:56:49 pm
Scouts... grrr...TF2 has a rock-paper-scissors scheme, somewhat. Scouts are easier to kill if you're a heavy or a pyro. Demos are alright if you can set a trap first, but that goes for killing anything, sometimes you get lucky and throw a bomb on their face tho.
I never liked fighting them. They kill me so many times its not funny. If a scout can take on like 3 guys at once an win easily, somethings wrong.
Im not too sure on the scout upgrades either. My only safety, the ubercharge, is gone! That and if an entire team scout rushes, they can continuously stun for an easy win! WHY GOD WHY?!?
Any tips for killing em? :)
A level 3 sentry is pretty much insta death for scouts too. Don't know about after the update, havn't played it yet.
Post by: Sowelu on February 23, 2009, 03:02:14 pm
Either that or an airfist that actually pushes you, unlike the Pyro's thing... But GRAPPLING HOOK! The Grappling Hook is to CTF like apple pie is to America!
I'm going to hate it! But I'm going to love it too.
And it sounds like the energy drink is going to let scouts ignore (mostly?) bullets (only?) for a brief period, so they can go right past level 2 sentries...however I'm guessing they will not be able to ignore rockets... Level 3 sentries will still kill them, but you'll need a heavy AND a soldier to guard your intel!
(Also very much amusement if you are a heavy unloading bullets on a hyper scout and not hitting him, so you go to your fists and knock his head off...)
Post by: LASD on February 23, 2009, 04:03:20 pm
Quote from: Valve
(http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/images/AchievementIcons/fall_classic.png)Fall Classic: Cause an environmental death or suicide using the Force-A-Nature's knockbackOh wait, that's not really about you, or is it? Well, I guess it has knockback and a big kick to match. At last Newton's laws are respected when dealing with shotgun knockback in shooters!
Also, the Scout Monday update should be coming quite soon. I wonder if it's the new game mode (double payload?) hinted on the background of the Energy Drink update thingie?
(I promise I won't be gathering too much unnecessary information from the official TF2 forums anymore, the people are insane over there. If you don't believe me, go see the "Scout update is in fact the Spy update" conspiracies or the overwhelmingly common complaint threads about complaining. Or don't, it's really quite scary.)
Post by: Soulwynd on February 23, 2009, 05:14:04 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on February 23, 2009, 05:15:40 pm
WHAT TOONYMAN DON'T LIKE GO KABOOM!!!
Post by: Sowelu on February 23, 2009, 08:15:45 pm
My money is on the airfist. Or...
One achievement mentions BATTING SOMEONE 25 meters. Another one mentions knocking someone's ball back at them. Surely the Sandman could be used to reflect stuff like the Pyro's air blast...but could you use the Sandman to whack another player? Maybe the Force-A-Nature is another bat, and you can have two bats at once!
But then, how would you move yourself with it :x Okay, maybe not
Post by: Fualkner on February 23, 2009, 09:04:18 pm
Maybe the Force-A-Nature is another bat, and you can have two bats at once!
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/PrincessSugar/Stuff/IdHitItWithTwoCrowbars.png)
Post by: Dasleah on February 23, 2009, 09:30:24 pm
Oh well. Only speculation left now is what the name of the Double Payload map is, and who's the star of the next "Meet The..." video. All of us hoping that this update heralding the introduction of the updates to the Xbox version are out of luck, too.
Post by: umiman on February 23, 2009, 09:40:55 pm
Post by: Dasleah on February 23, 2009, 09:42:44 pm
Ugh.
Post by: Sowelu on February 23, 2009, 09:49:49 pm
SHOTGUN! THAT IS AWESOME!
Post by: beorn080 on February 23, 2009, 09:53:25 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on February 23, 2009, 11:17:08 pm
I really doubt the kickback is gonna effect allies.
Post by: Puck on February 23, 2009, 11:53:02 pm
TF2 equals no FF and also no FF effects. Apart from yourself. You can rocket/grenade jump, but you cannot rocket/grenade jump your buddy.
edit: well, i suppose you can turn it on in the server settings, but it's not really meant to be working that way...
Post by: Zako on February 24, 2009, 08:49:23 am
If you are at about moderate to long range and hit a guy with the flare, he will usually RUN AWAY. To go heal and get rid of the fire is my guess. If you could use this to your advantage, it could come in handy...
Post by: Soulwynd on February 24, 2009, 09:04:54 am
Post by: Dasleah on February 24, 2009, 10:43:44 pm
Oh well. Maybe now you PC TF2 players can feel the bitter sting of disappointment that we console players feel ;)
Post by: Soulwynd on February 24, 2009, 11:03:00 pm
That's rather common.
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on February 24, 2009, 11:59:42 pm
And the last update is up! (http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/results.htm) And... it's not updating anything! That's right, the final update for the Scout page, that has been teasing us for nearly a week, is nothing more than an announcement of the poll results for unlockables (with Force-a-Nature coming in first, then Sandman, then Bonk!). Well, TF2 is half-price until Friday, but that's it - no Double Payload maps, no Meet The... video, nutink.
Oh well. Maybe now you PC TF2 players can feel the bitter sting of disappointment that we console players feel ;)
I do hope that statement was meant to be painfully ironic. It's about time console gamers got some of the disappointment. I felt bad for them with PC gamers holding it all for themselves.
Post by: ToonyMan on February 25, 2009, 03:06:36 pm
Post by: Sowelu on February 25, 2009, 06:42:45 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on February 25, 2009, 07:19:19 pm
EVER. Just hit the medic. It's gone.
Post by: Onlyhestands on February 25, 2009, 07:33:15 pm
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on February 25, 2009, 09:01:22 pm
Post by: Metalax on February 26, 2009, 01:57:30 am
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on February 26, 2009, 02:03:42 am
Post by: LASD on February 26, 2009, 04:30:03 am
I got the "Does it hurt when I do this?"-achievement in about an hour yesterday, from 8 to 50 dead scouts by Blutsauger. And with that, the Übersaw, finally!
Having dozens of scouts running around is quite fun actually, when playing anything but the scout (or spy or sniper) though the games become really quite hectic.
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Anyone read the last two blog posts? I think they make a really good job dealing out critique and punishment to the players, while still being on par with the light-hearted style of the game.
Also, did some of you get hit by these disciplinary actions? Though taking the items away only for a week doesn't seem like that harsh a punishment, unless the ill-gained achievements go with them.
P.S. I didn't quite get Sentry Gunner (8 kills) while playing Engineer, but I did make my new kill record with any class (16 kills!)
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on February 26, 2009, 06:37:27 am
Post by: Cheeetar on February 26, 2009, 06:42:18 am
Post by: ToonyMan on February 26, 2009, 07:00:41 am
Needless to say, you're invincible for about 5 seconds. You can easily run by sentries now in quick bursts. No luck in an open field though...
Wahahahaha.
ALSO! The Sandman taunt is my favorite now, you actually need to do it to get an achievement.
Post by: LASD on March 03, 2009, 10:21:51 am
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7378/scoutcheat.png)
Then I understood that people don't need to have the same 10 achievements to get to the milestone.
Still, it sounds quite weird that the 6th most common Scout achievement is having 10 of them. (With Medic it's 8th, with Heavy 9th and Pyro 7th.)
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This made me wonder what people here think about achievements and the fact that you have to gather them to unlock new weapons. Some think that the achievements are completely stupid, that the weapons should just be given for "free" and feel that Valve just makes the players grind for them.
I think the achievements and unlocks are great (if it wasn't apparent already as each of my posts is about them), because with them the game isn't only about winning and there's always progress to be made when playing. Though stats have somewhat the same purpose too.
Also, I would never go to an achievement server or use a hack to get the new weapons as there's such a great feeling of accomplishment to be had from playing fair. And I would feel as bad as I do when I have to turn to walkthroughs when playing adventure games.
So, what do you think? Do you just want to play without thinking of achievements and so got the weapons in some dodgy way or even try to completely ignore them? Do you think that the more outlandish achievements, like Placebo Effect (Kill 5 enemies with Übercharge ready, but undeployed) ruin the game? And would you like the weapons and achievements to be separate, or connected like now?
P.S. Also I've been wondering how much effort the programmers have to do to track all the achievements. Though they seem to pick primarily things that are already tracked, but there's also the oddballs like No-Hitter, FYI I'm a Medic or Photostroika.
Post by: Soulwynd on March 03, 2009, 11:30:21 am
As for archievements themselves, well, a lot of people just grind them for the weapons. I mean, the day the game patched the scout update for me, I went to play, and there already scouts with all new weapons. I like to just play the game, one of the reason I don't have many upgraded weapons. For some of the harder ones (like ubering a scout and getting X kills), I actually try to do them in a normal game. Kind of adds an extra challenge and some fun, even tho some asses might scream at you.
Post by: LASD on April 03, 2009, 11:19:08 am
Sniper will be the star the next update and it's going to be a big one. Also, there's an update coming that gives something to all classes before that.
Check it out: http://www.teamfortress.com/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/)
P.S. Also, check out the totally real unlock they're giving to Sniper in the post before.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 03, 2009, 11:22:32 am
Post by: Yanlin on April 03, 2009, 12:00:14 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 03, 2009, 01:01:24 pm
Post by: Yanlin on April 03, 2009, 01:08:17 pm
Post by: Puck on April 03, 2009, 04:36:36 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 03, 2009, 04:40:38 pm
Let me tell you, hearing others call me that makes me pause for a split second to debate why my brother is playing.
Post by: Yanlin on April 04, 2009, 02:38:22 pm
1: It completely violates the class. It gives him a use in short range. Where he's supposed to be useless.
2: APRIL 1ST!!!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 04, 2009, 05:03:03 pm
Just like the Sandvich doesn't remove the need of a medic, the addition of a jar of piss won't make the sniper a melee class.
I'm just sour that the Heavy has no way of countering the classes it is weak to.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 04, 2009, 06:15:25 pm
Post by: Yanlin on April 05, 2009, 12:12:27 am
I'm just sour that the Heavy has no way of countering the classes it is weak to.
Wasn't that part of the idea? All the classes were supposed to have this. RPS balancing with soft limits to be compensated with good teamwork.
Post by: umiman on April 06, 2009, 01:44:21 am
Post by: Tormy on April 06, 2009, 09:01:58 am
Post by: AlStar on April 06, 2009, 10:36:03 am
Some of my friends are addicted to this FPS game, but I refused to try it out, because of it's cartoonish graphics. However I might give it a try, because as I heard you need serious teamwork in this game in order to be successful. [...however if it's true this is not a "skill game", IE. you don't need to have good aiming skills for example, and I don't like this part, but ah well, I shall see. ;D]
Definately don't let the style of the graphics (which I actually happen to like) turn you off the game. Although it seems odd to say such a thing in the DF forums.
I'm not sure that I follow your line of reasoning that a game that requires serious teamwork (which is definately true - a team that works together will be stronger than a bunch of maveriks, even if they are individually more skilled) would negate the need for individual ability.
Certainly, some classes have a lesser need for aiming (engineers, medics... maybe pyros) but you're not going to get anywhere as a sniper that can't shoot straight.
Post by: Sowelu on April 06, 2009, 02:35:26 pm
Yeah, they put humor into the game too, but it's not a BAD thing. It's slightly tongue-in-cheek, that's all. The announcer is also one of the most awesome things; she wouldn't have a place in a more serious game, but she is so utterly devastatingly -disapproving- when you are losing... Meh it's awesome. I like it. I normally hate cartoonish, humorous games, but I like TF2.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 06, 2009, 02:40:09 pm
Booooooooo. ;D
Like some gaint metal godzilla or t-rex.
Post by: Yanlin on April 06, 2009, 03:08:18 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 06, 2009, 03:19:53 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 06, 2009, 03:37:13 pm
And the Announcer...She announces for BOTH teams... Whose side is she really on, anyway?!
(I'm really, really hoping for "Meet the Announcer".)
Post by: umiman on April 06, 2009, 03:42:58 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 06, 2009, 03:50:09 pm
The round will begin in ten seconds! DANCE, PUPPETS, DANCE!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 06, 2009, 05:46:43 pm
Say you are a demoman and you see a pyro going for you. You have a couple of seconds to react and somehow either kill the pyro using awesome demoman skills, or run away. A heavy see-HEADSHOT!
Even with my horrible aim, I could take down heavies with no problems. I'm just thinking they could use either a defensive boost or more health. Their current health advantage means an extra second of sustained fire as opposed to the normal health rates.
Post by: Sowelu on April 06, 2009, 05:53:28 pm
No kidding! Heavies need cover fire, and they need distractions when advancing! If their buddies can pin down the snipers, suddenly they own the place...and if you're a sniper sneaking into the enemy base and you have enough time to charge up a shot and kill a heavy, well, the other team probably has bigger problems than "heavy is weak to headshots".
Not all classes are useful in all situations.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 06, 2009, 05:57:24 pm
I can understand some situations are better for classes than others, but heavies are most vulnerable in positions they were made for. Sure they have a very harmful position, but they should be able to take some punishment.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 06, 2009, 06:18:00 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 06, 2009, 06:25:11 pm
Heavies are made to soak damage in front of the more squishy members of the team. If they can be felled in one hit easily in most situations, then they cannot fulfill their purpose.
I can understand some situations are better for classes than others, but heavies are most vulnerable in positions they were made for. Sure they have a very harmful position, but they should be able to take some punishment.
No, I'm sorry, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Heavies aren't meant to soak damage. You can aim AROUND them. No, heavies are meant to be a source of constant damage that is fairly hard to make go away--and that's different. Also, "most situations"? I think you really haven't been playing the heavy right, or you've been playing against people who use him badly. Specifically you're using him in places that he shouldn't be...like long sniper alleys.
Heavies LOVE indoors spaces, and they love places where you have to try to run past them. A heavy is a way of saying "You are going to take one hundred and fifty hit points of damage if you want to go through this room", or "Anyone who stays in here with me is dead". With good medic support, they can beat down anyone who doesn't have time to organize against them...which means they're great on defense (O tends to get chased in and be in a hurry), or as part of an offensive push that can make it into the enemy buildings (oh crap! it's a heavy!)
None of these are sniper friendly spots. Heavies don't like sniper friendly spots.
Heavy is one of my favorite classes since all the way back in early TFC (I was usually my clans' heavy if I wasn't their conc-jumping medic); if anyone's going to whine about them being underpowered or too easy to counter it would be me. But no. I think they're perfect.
EDIT: Did I really just type that? I've been playing Team Fortress for WAY too many years. Gah. All the memories are welling up again. Of all the hours I've spent in my life when I've been alone doing nothing, the most happy and satisfying of all of them were while I was a Heavy, guarding the flag, in Well.
Because every once in a while, someone would peek into the flagroom. And soon after, they would die. Horribly.
On public servers sometimes they would even try to ride up the elevator while I unloaded on them from above, which was hilarious...
Post by: The Doctor on April 06, 2009, 06:40:10 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 06, 2009, 06:47:23 pm
Still, I have issues with Heavy. Except as a defensive class, in which case they do indeed rock.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 06, 2009, 10:00:22 pm
I'd always rather classify them by range when picking a class to play in the team, not if they are defensive or aggressive, all can do both. I play an aggressive engie for example, once I had 10 kills in a life without a single sentry up. For each part of each maps, some areas are better for short ranged people, some areas are better for mid range, and some for long range. So I try to balance the team by picking what's the best option to the area we're fighting in, while keeping in mind what everyone else is.
As for snipers, if you are doing the sniper game of killing the other team sniper, you're being useless, spies should be killing other snipers while you kill the enemy's medics/pyros/heavies/soldiers. As for pyros, it depends, you're better off protecting sentries or going from behind people if the map allows that. If you don't use the backburner, like me, you can protect your team by deflecting soldier's missiles as well, pretty awesome when you're charging with a payload and they are trying to missile/bomb your team.
Post by: Tormy on April 07, 2009, 08:49:16 am
Some of my friends are addicted to this FPS game, but I refused to try it out, because of it's cartoonish graphics. However I might give it a try, because as I heard you need serious teamwork in this game in order to be successful. [...however if it's true this is not a "skill game", IE. you don't need to have good aiming skills for example, and I don't like this part, but ah well, I shall see. ;D]
Definately don't let the style of the graphics (which I actually happen to like) turn you off the game. Although it seems odd to say such a thing in the DF forums.
Yeah it might seems odd to say things like this on the DF forum, but somehow this cartoonish gfx looks extremely weird. I will try out the game anyways. :)
Post by: Soulwynd on April 07, 2009, 09:44:39 am
It only seems that cartoonish in still pictures, in my opinion. When it's in motion it looks better than a lot of more realistic games out there, It's always amazing to see the weapons reflection and shading when you turn around.Some of my friends are addicted to this FPS game, but I refused to try it out, because of it's cartoonish graphics. However I might give it a try, because as I heard you need serious teamwork in this game in order to be successful. [...however if it's true this is not a "skill game", IE. you don't need to have good aiming skills for example, and I don't like this part, but ah well, I shall see. ;D]
Definately don't let the style of the graphics (which I actually happen to like) turn you off the game. Although it seems odd to say such a thing in the DF forums.
Yeah it might seems odd to say things like this on the DF forum, but somehow this cartoonish gfx looks extremely weird. I will try out the game anyways. :)
Post by: Abyss on April 07, 2009, 01:35:26 pm
Although the characters closing their mouths after yelling when dead can be disturbing...
Post by: Sowelu on April 07, 2009, 02:14:45 pm
the faces are pure gold.
The Heavy changes his expression based on things like his damage intake and how many hundred bullets he's fired recently. He gets so HAPPY when he wipes out several enemies, and as a medic keeping him healed, it's a true joy to watch.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 07, 2009, 02:16:06 pm
Post by: LASD on April 07, 2009, 03:06:05 pm
And it's a joy to hear his singing and laughing in similar conditions. The voices are pure gold too.the faces are pure gold.
The Heavy changes his expression based on things like his damage intake and how many hundred bullets he's fired recently. He gets so HAPPY when he wipes out several enemies, and as a medic keeping him healed, it's a true joy to watch.
Though currently I can mostly enjoy just the voices as my crappy computer forces me to crank down on graphics and so the facial expressions (isn't there an option to get even fancier expressions on their faces somewhere?). I really look forward to playing TF2 with the new computer I'm getting in a few months.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 07, 2009, 03:32:48 pm
Still a somewhat adverse effect.
Post by: LASD on April 07, 2009, 05:29:09 pm
After searching around a bit, I found the thing I was looking for. It's HWM models. When you have those things on, the characters will supposedly look as good and have as diverse facial expressions as in the "Meet the Team" videos.
Also, apparently mat_picmip, which defines the texture quality of the game goes under -1 (very high), In fact it goes all the way to -10, which should make the game look pretty damn nice.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 07, 2009, 05:31:33 pm
Post by: Yanlin on April 07, 2009, 05:43:50 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 07, 2009, 05:44:38 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on April 07, 2009, 06:11:17 pm
Post by: Puck on April 07, 2009, 06:20:16 pm
I believe that one of the reasons Valve went with a cartoon style is because it is a video game, and unrealistic moments WILL happen no matter how good the engine. If the graphics are uberrealistic, then when something odd happens it will draw the player out of the game. But if the graphics are presented in a somewhat silly style, then when something silly happens the player's immersion isn't damaged.The dev commentary has some very nice details about how and why they picked the 60ties advertisement cartoon style. And it does make sense. Seriously, obviously I cant say it enough:
LISTEN TO THE FRIGGIN DEV COMMENTARY, youll notice how every design decision falls into place. It just fits, it just makes sense. Those guys aren't dumb, at all.
The reason you mentioned wasnt mentioned in the commentary, but it definetly makes sense, too. No matter how hard you try, with todays hardware a character will never look 100% realistic, but games already try. Which is totally weird, and makes the average protagonist in a videogame look like some weird creepy doll. emphasis on creepy.
Until we get it down properly, we should actually focus on abstraction a bit more.
Post by: Puck on April 07, 2009, 06:28:29 pm
No, I'm sorry, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Heavies aren't meant to soak damage.in fact, they are. they have this big hitpoint buffer so the medic has an easier time keeping them alive. even if "tanking" actually has no place in pvp (almost never ever, in almost no game) it has the ability to tank, for a reason. Again, dev commentary.
ooops, meant to nudge that in the above post, but screwed up.
Oh well, sue me ;D
Post by: Sowelu on April 07, 2009, 06:44:04 pm
The first reaction to "omg pyro" is "KILL IT". The gut reaction to "omg heavy" is "Get behind something!" You kind of own the battlefield, especially indoors.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 07, 2009, 06:47:37 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 07, 2009, 06:57:13 pm
Okay, I was a big fan of leg shots in TFC. There's kind of no point when you can just kill them with a headshot, but leg shots worked without being fully charged. So my guess for the primary replacement is: A rifle that takes 50% longer to charge, but can slow someone for three seconds if you shoot them in the leg when at least, iunno, 1/3 charged.
What do snipers hate...well, among other things, spies. I'm going out on a real limb here and suggesting that snipers might get something to deal with that little spy problem while requiring more devoted teamwork. Replace the machine gun with binoculars that don't zoom very hard, but can spot cloaked spies! They DON'T tag them for your team...that's your job! Voice chat makes it easy. Hell, let's throw in enemy ubercharge % while we're at it.
That leaves the machete...though my binocs idea could easily have replaced the machete instead. However, nobody likes giving up a melee weapon so let's keep it. I'm guessing... A BIGGER MACHETE. As in, "THIS is a knife." Snipers like charging shots, right? Let them spend a second to charge up a swing for higher damage, or... Let's say 50% crit chance. Something along those lines. Lets you take down a spy from the front or do a little back stabbin' of your own, makes you scary to an unprepared opponent, but dude, it's just a knife, they can back out of range if they want.
So my guesses are a Legshot Rifle, Binoculars, and a Bigger Knife.
Post by: The Doctor on April 07, 2009, 08:16:44 pm
You didn't say anything that would make some people favor the old one over the new.
Post by: Sowelu on April 07, 2009, 08:19:55 pm
Post by: Puck on April 07, 2009, 08:23:38 pm
The main advantage of being a heavy in a group, though, is that enemies will often not try to kill you first. They aim for your medic, or they aim for the pyro with half your health...And that's exactly why there is so little room for actual tankers in pvp games, why would anybody shoot a damage sponge when there are glass cannons to break? ;D
Post by: ToonyMan on April 07, 2009, 08:38:52 pm
Post by: WorkerDrone on April 07, 2009, 08:46:33 pm
Piss Gernades. (JARS OF PISS!)
Slows opponents. Reveals spies. Low splash damage. And for a limited amount of time, a direct shot from a 50% charged Sniper Rifle results in Instant kill.
GET YOURS TODAY.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 07, 2009, 08:55:57 pm
Jar of piss would be a must. xD I think that a bigger knife would be just sad, like the heavy's gloves.
A good heavy will move in front of people and a good team will hide behind him. There's always room for tanking.The main advantage of being a heavy in a group, though, is that enemies will often not try to kill you first. They aim for your medic, or they aim for the pyro with half your health...And that's exactly why there is so little room for actual tankers in pvp games, why would anybody shoot a damage sponge when there are glass cannons to break? ;D
Post by: Puck on April 07, 2009, 09:14:26 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 07, 2009, 09:15:46 pm
Being able to see a spy coming, whether visually or audibly or whatever, would be great in a lot of ways.
I'm not sure how camo would work... Something like a spy cloak as long as you hold still, or what? That could work.
Post by: Puck on April 07, 2009, 09:21:06 pm
Also I think the piss jar was an aprils fools joke, but I guess we'll see.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 07, 2009, 10:59:03 pm
The jar of piss was the april's fool joke, but people really liked it, haha.
Post by: WorkerDrone on April 07, 2009, 11:37:44 pm
Because Valve does what Valve wants.
That's just Valve.
So.
In all likelyhood, we shall be seeing Jars o' Piss included in the Sniper's armoury. Because lets face it. Jars of Piss are just awesome.
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 07, 2009, 11:42:23 pm
Post by: LASD on April 08, 2009, 02:58:34 am
Writing these:
Code: [Select]
mat_picmip -10
mp_usehwmmodels 1
mp_usehwmcvds 1
in the console should make the game a lot prettier. You should also be able to put these to the config or autoexec file, so they would be on automatically, but I couldn't find a file anywhere that includes them.Post by: Yanlin on April 08, 2009, 05:48:39 am
I have this game but I can't play it right now... Fucking utorrent... I miss my Pyro.
Hey pirate scum, how about you actually buy the game? It's fucking $20.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/440/
Post by: Soulwynd on April 08, 2009, 09:18:42 am
Go troll your mom. You don't even know if he owns the game or not (or maybe you do, but I like pirates <3). Yesterday I couldn't play because I was downloading the new fansub of fullmetal alchemist on utorrent.I have this game but I can't play it right now... Fucking utorrent... I miss my Pyro.
Hey pirate scum, how about you actually buy the game? It's fucking $20.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/440/
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/external/JerkStore.jpg)
Post by: Puck on April 08, 2009, 09:37:12 am
Yesterday I couldn't play because I was downloading the new fansub of fullmetal alchemist on utorrent.Why?
Post by: Soulwynd on April 08, 2009, 11:34:11 am
Cause I wanted to watch something and I keep up with most anime/shows releases there are, so that was the only thing that was new yesterday.Yesterday I couldn't play because I was downloading the new fansub of fullmetal alchemist on utorrent.Why?
Post by: Puck on April 08, 2009, 11:38:03 am
Post by: JoRo on April 08, 2009, 12:54:05 pm
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 08, 2009, 12:58:21 pm
I have this game but I can't play it right now... Fucking utorrent... I miss my Pyro.
Hey pirate scum, how about you actually buy the game? It's fucking $20.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/440/
Just so you know, I own the game legally and would never pirate anything from valve. It's not even my torrent running preventing me from playing.
Post by: Puck on April 08, 2009, 01:00:22 pm
People tend to not appreciate it when you get on the server with a four-digit ping.I'm actually quite astounded that still happens these days, unless you're trying to transport data via smoke signals.
Post by: umiman on April 08, 2009, 01:07:11 pm
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 08, 2009, 01:08:57 pm
What does uTorrent have to do with running TF2? (Other than piracy)
A torrent works by trying to connect to other users constantly, TF2 works by maintaining a connection to the server. So the torrent ends up sucking up all the bandwidth and you get a ping that makes a 56k user laugh at you.
Post by: umiman on April 08, 2009, 01:09:43 pm
Post by: Puck on April 08, 2009, 01:14:17 pm
The thing is... I dont know where you have to live, or how you have to configure your torrent client, that it still manages to fuck up your connection to a gameserver. that really shouldnt happen anymore these days.
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 08, 2009, 01:14:58 pm
So why don't you turn it off?
Because it's my brothers and I don't wanna be a dick.
Post by: umiman on April 08, 2009, 01:19:18 pm
Quote
Hey, do you want to come along?
Come along where?
We're going to a party.
What party?
Elaine's birthday party man!
Now?
Yeah, now.
Can now be!
Quote
Hey, want to come to Elaine's birthday party now?
Sure.
Likewise, Sniper Joe could have avoided looking like a perversive pirate if he had simply said:
Quote
I have this game but I can't play it right now... I wish my brother would stop leaving uTorrent on all the time on the computer... I miss my Pyro.
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 08, 2009, 01:23:31 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 08, 2009, 01:24:26 pm
Post by: umiman on April 08, 2009, 01:33:10 pm
Hear me mortals, you are but far... far below our realm, constantly plunging into risk after risk, exposing your IP and transfer rates for all to see. When the great cleansing comes in the form of black suited individuals, only those who believe in a higher order will survive.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 08, 2009, 01:35:38 pm
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 08, 2009, 01:38:47 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 08, 2009, 01:47:27 pm
I torrent for a torrent.
I heard you liked downloading, so I put a torrent in your torrent so you can download while you download.
As for Blutsauger, I only just got that recently and yeah it is pretty nice, at least in theory. I'm not a great shot with it but I have killed some scouts with it on Well recently. I think the original gun is a bit weak, and could be improved if healing also contributed to your crit chance--so heal a heavy up from almost dead, then get a lot more crit needles for a little bit.
As for "doing their job", medics can't always be healers. When you just stepped out of spawn and realize that your last cap point is open and needs defending, or when your pet heavy dies, it's important that you can run over and sit on that point and actually defend it! Sure you're weak against most other classes or skilled players, but it CAN be done. The blutsauger makes medics more useful when they're forced to defend while waiting for backup.
Pathetic ammo and clip still makes it not feel overpowered, to me.
And if you want to talk about anything overpowered on a medic...well, I was my TFC clans' medic, and I was used to capturing the flag solo and almost unchallenged while the whole rest of my team defended. When conc grenades got nerfed I stopped playing, because the medic was SO overpowered beforehand that it was hard to go back. :D
Post by: Puck on April 08, 2009, 01:53:05 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 08, 2009, 02:13:30 pm
I made them both fire at the same time, one had a mini-gun. The other a Blutsauger.
Guess who won?
THE MEDIC! I honestly think The Blutsauger is the best weapon in the game. It destroys anything.
Post by: The Doctor on April 08, 2009, 02:47:24 pm
Post by: AlStar on April 08, 2009, 03:28:05 pm
I tested a HWG vs. a Medic at 3 meters from each other.
I made them both fire at the same time, one had a mini-gun. The other a Blutsauger.
...
The fact that the Heavy's main gun takes a second or two to start firing would definately put him at a disadvantage against the medic, especially one armed with the Blutsauger.
That's why I try to never stop spinning my barrels if I'm in known hostile territory - that couple of seconds can and will get you killed.
Do you guys have any favorite server that you play on? It'd be neat to play against you - plus, I've been looking for a good server for a while now.
Post by: Jreengus on April 08, 2009, 03:39:38 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 08, 2009, 03:49:57 pm
I tested a HWG vs. a Medic at 3 meters from each other.
I made them both fire at the same time, one had a mini-gun. The other a Blutsauger.
...
The fact that the Heavy's main gun takes a second or two to start firing would definately put him at a disadvantage against the medic, especially one armed with the Blutsauger.
That's why I try to never stop spinning my barrels if I'm in known hostile territory - that couple of seconds can and will get you killed.
Do you guys have any favorite server that you play on? It'd be neat to play against you - plus, I've been looking for a good server for a while now.
I meant they both actually fired at the same time.
Post by: Sowelu on April 08, 2009, 04:06:56 pm
http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Minigun
http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Blutsauger
The Blutsauger fires 10 needles per second. If they all hit that's a gain of 30/second, that we can subtract from the Heavy's damage, but it seems very small honestly.
Heavy at point blank does 500-540 damage per second, medic does 100-150. That's too obvious. Let's back up to midrange where the heavy won't hit with all bullets.
Heavy: 50-300/sec, which puts the average at oh...175/sec. Medic at long range: 50-100/sec, or 75. Once you apply the vampirism, heavy is doing 145/sec and medic is doing 75/sec. Heavy has 300 health, medic has 150 health.
So the heavy is doing very nearly twice the damage after healing is factored in, AND he has twice the hit points, all this at a range defined as "Medium range is defined as the main resupply door to the opposite wall on the upper level of 2fort." AND the heavy can crit for what is essentially an instant kill, while the medic can't with the blutsauger. Oh yeah and the medic has to reload in a prolonged firefight.
At long range, battlement to battlement of 2fort, heavy does 50-100 or 75/sec, modified to 45/sec, while the medic does 50-60 or 55/sec. So the medic has a little advantage! Except there's still reloading, and oh yeah, the syringe gun and presumably also the blutsauger don't always fire straight! Plus the heavy still has 2x the hit points.
I'd be interested in verifying your results sometimes, but the math doesn't seem to stand up. Even with the 1-second spin-up time, I would still expect the heavy to win against a Blutsauger wielding medic at ALL ranges. I don't know how you got those results but they're so out-of-line I have to think SOMEthing went wrong.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 08, 2009, 04:09:39 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 08, 2009, 04:17:07 pm
Oh yeah, other things: Blutsauger clip is 40 shots, or four seconds of fire. Medic carries 150 total ammo, or 15 seconds of fire, while the heavy carries 200 ammo at 10 ammo per second, 20 seconds of fire. Wiki claims that the Blutsauger takes 1.6 seconds to reload...That actually seems a little bit high to me, but if it's accurate, that's crippling!
Heck, the heavy's SHOTGUN does 133-150 damage per second at point blank, and can fire for a little over three seconds before reloading. I'd give good odds to the heavy killing a medic before needing to reload with shotgun vs blutsauger at short range, and definately winning as soon as the medic starts reloading.
Oh...Medics do have natural regen, but when they've recently taken damage it's only 1/sec. So that doesn't change any results here.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 08, 2009, 04:25:56 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 08, 2009, 04:32:12 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 08, 2009, 04:39:02 pm
I think it was because a heavy is VERY inaccurate at even mid-ranges and the medic could survive long enough to kill him.
EDIT: The health bonus for every hit is what makes the difference from live and death. Wouldn't work with the default needle gun if I recall.
Post by: LASD on April 08, 2009, 05:12:26 pm
Sometimes when I'm at half life and alone, I'm happy to see a Pyro in mid-range so I can suck his blood and heal up, also when one manages to set me on fire, I'm quite glad if (s)he chooses to follow me as I can heal faster with the Blütsauger than the fire can hurt me. Blutsauger is pretty much an upgrade in my eyes, there's just so many situations where it's useful.
Also, the 1,6 sec reload time sounds about right as it has caused me great frustration oh so many times.
P.S. The Sniper might get a Boomerang to replace the Kukri. He might even be able to throw it because they have already made a ranged melee weapon.
Post by: Sowelu on April 08, 2009, 05:33:11 pm
P.S. The Sniper might get a Boomerang to replace the Kukri. He might even be able to throw it because they have already made a ranged melee weapon.
OH MY GOD YES. Except...that would be way too overpowered in the melee-only sudden death modes :x
Post by: Yanlin on April 08, 2009, 05:44:15 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 08, 2009, 06:34:26 pm
I'm worried that it would end up being far weaker than the kukri, because when you throw it, you can't still keep swinging it around. Many many less hits probably in the long run.
Still, this HAS to at least be a weapon they considered.
Post by: Puck on April 09, 2009, 08:57:41 am
Melee weapons work just like ranged weapons. Only they cut off at a very short range.and they have unlimited ammo and no clipsize, hence, no reloading.
I always wondered... for instance the bottle of the demoman... is there any difference to the bottle as a whole or when its broken already? My theory is, when it breaks its just a notifier of "you just had a critical hit, hooray". Basically indicating only the first critical hit you land with it.
Anybody knows whats up with that? Are there any other (melee) weapons that "transform"?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 09, 2009, 09:18:26 am
Throwing knives.
That is all.
Post by: Yanlin on April 09, 2009, 10:49:41 am
That is all.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 09, 2009, 01:26:28 pm
Lit cigarettes!
Post by: Sowelu on April 09, 2009, 01:27:40 pm
Melee weapons work just like ranged weapons. Only they cut off at a very short range.and they have unlimited ammo and no clipsize, hence, no reloading.
I always wondered... for instance the bottle of the demoman... is there any difference to the bottle as a whole or when its broken already? My theory is, when it breaks its just a notifier of "you just had a critical hit, hooray". Basically indicating only the first critical hit you land with it.
Anybody knows whats up with that? Are there any other (melee) weapons that "transform"?
Demoman has the only transforming one, and according to the wiki and its piles of community testing (tf2wiki.net), there is no difference whether it's broken or not. Though it is funny to use the taunt where he drinks from it when it's broken. He doesn't even notice...
Post by: Puck on April 09, 2009, 02:40:04 pm
Oh and does the wiki say anything about WHY the bottle breaks?
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 09, 2009, 02:49:18 pm
Oh and does the wiki say anything about WHY the bottle breaks?
I think it's the crit animation.
Post by: The Doctor on April 09, 2009, 06:37:24 pm
It doesn't happen on no-crit servers, and it always happens when you get a crit with the bottle.
And it doesn't do extra damage... *sadface*
Post by: ToonyMan on April 09, 2009, 06:48:10 pm
Post by: The Doctor on April 09, 2009, 06:58:25 pm
*dies from nerdy looking assassins*
*comes back as ghost*
You... were wrong.
DEAD WRONG. *pun*
Post by: Nilocy on April 09, 2009, 08:11:55 pm
Post by: LASD on April 13, 2009, 11:47:57 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Syringe gun and SMG dealt a third of all damage done last week in the game, that doesn't sound quite right. Also, 7% of damage by shovel! I've probably seen 3 people get killed by shovels ever. Apparently that will change as the blue stats say that the shovel averages at 107 per hit. I'd start using it if it hit that hard.
Also, other tables tell a story of SMG being used from the furthest away (a little shy of 1600 game inches) and the Sniper Rifle being used of only half that distance.
I think the secondary weapons are being mixed with the melee weapons and primary weapons with secondarys or something like that. Funny nonetheless.
Post by: Yanlin on April 13, 2009, 12:04:21 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 13, 2009, 12:20:34 pm
It looks like an indexing error to me. IE they added new weapons that shifted the names around on the old ones; the data is indexed differently to how it's displayed (and possibly it's a mix of old and new data anyway).
Post by: The Doctor on April 13, 2009, 05:41:07 pm
The soldiers shotgun is used closer then some melee weapons! D:
Post by: Jreengus on April 21, 2009, 10:30:56 am
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 21, 2009, 10:36:42 am
Post by: Sowelu on April 21, 2009, 12:10:06 pm
Also. WHAT DO YOU MEAN NEW UPDATE?! *foams* I've been checking teamfortress.com religiously, like, twice a day for the last couple weeks! There's still nothing there! O_O
*fishes up details (http://store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=440)*
Oh. That wasn't very interesting.
So there's a new slot for 'head' items? My guess is going to be minor buffs and not-so-minor ones. Helmets for reducing sniper damage?...seems excessive, even if it just means it takes two headshots to kill a heavy. Bonk resistance, same thing. Might be worth it if the helmet blocked the top 1/4 of your vision or something though. Binoculars?..maps aren't that big. A replacement for the scout's headset? What would that even mean? I mean this isn't sci-fi, so targeting things for boosting damage don't make sense, and I don't see how a head item would boost running speed or reduce non-sniper damage. Scuba mask? Hmm...
Post by: LASD on April 21, 2009, 03:09:42 pm
Frankly, I'm quite worried with the tide of weapons that will pour in, but I trust Valve to keep things balanced and fun. They haven't let me down yet.
EDIT: Oh yeah, also the Spy's 3rd unlockable will substitute the watch as that's the third item in the new equipment screen. Though the picture is of the disguise kit.
Post by: Sowelu on April 21, 2009, 03:20:52 pm
...
>_O
My god, Valve.
Ha, I'm so amused that that post bolded this line:
"LoadoutSlot_Grenade" "Grenade"
(I don't know if I do want or don't want)
*keeps reading*
OH JESUS CHRIST IT REALLY IS DIABLO OMFG.
...Except this is old code, so they probably decided against it a long time ago.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 21, 2009, 03:25:38 pm
Still, resetting stats so when I get my own copy he can play fresh would be grand.
Although I get the feeling the people who disconnect in order to not have a kill registered would take healthy advantage of this.
Edit: Also, I dunno if this was mentioned in this thread, but there is a grenade object ingame that Valve didn't allow to be used because playtesters found it had... issues.
Takes me back to the days of playing Halo 1, and the random mortar-like deaths of the more cramped and vertical maps.
Post by: Sowelu on April 21, 2009, 03:47:03 pm
- Demo 'fro needs to have a purple headband. JUST BECAUSE. And I'm betting it gives more crits but weaker stickybombs?
- Batter's Helmet probably is either sandman related, or maybe increases bat damage for weaker other stuff, oh hell yes.
- What if the grenade item is actually something for the demo's launcher? IE you customize your launcher and you customize what it launches, more or less bounce, longer or shorter fuse... Iunno.
- If these random weapons are at all tied to performance, instead of something like 'play for an hour' or something, it's going to be horrible because of achievement servers. It's not like Diablo's Bnet servers, they won't actually be hosted by Valve.
- Oh man I know what would be awesome
- If your random weapons were TIED TO A SERVER or to a server group
- so they are stored on whatever server you get them on, and maybe they can be shared across some clan's four servers or whatever
- wouldn't that be freaking sweet
- yes it would
EDIT: Now this (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=844795) is epic.
Post by: Xotes on April 21, 2009, 06:11:15 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 21, 2009, 06:43:01 pm
It was one server, like three interconnected ones at its height, that tracked stats, gave you experience for kills, and let you upgrade your weapons by hitting up their website. Man I loved my highly upgraded machine gun.
Post by: JoRo on April 22, 2009, 05:56:53 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 22, 2009, 07:19:37 pm
Post by: Ampersand on April 24, 2009, 05:13:26 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 24, 2009, 05:36:36 pm
Post by: Jreengus on April 24, 2009, 06:17:47 pm
I recently got a new favourite, playing as a sniper in granary we had pushed to the fourth point so I ran over to it and ended up on the balcony just as the enemy retook it. For some reason none of them looked up so I figured I had nothing to lose and leapt down wielding a kukri to deliver my own little sniper backstab to one of the medics, and I actually critted killing them in one hit. I then gave the other medic a whack but got turned on by a heavy demo and soldier. Just had me smiling though at the image of my crazed Australian sniper leaping down onto this medic and slashing him in half with his kukri.
Post by: Sowelu on April 24, 2009, 06:28:00 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on April 24, 2009, 06:50:32 pm
Second fav would be as demo trapping the bridge and blowing quite a few people with a single click.
I just wish steam would record my records correctly, my client shows different numbers from steam. :(
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 24, 2009, 07:16:21 pm
My fav time was being a pyro and killing 6 people with a single taunt.What I'd do to see that...
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 24, 2009, 07:22:31 pm
Then there was that arena moment where only me as a soldier and the enemy spy were the only ones left. We were hunting eachother, him decloaking to get some potshots and me generally hitting him with rocket splash every time he shows. Eventually I'm terribly low on health, to the point where another shot could kill me. So I turn into a room and crouch into a corner, because the next hall goes into an exposed area and he might expect me to just rush out.
Knowing there is a possibility he could be following me, I shoot a rocket at the middle of the room.
It hits him dead center.
My team gives me mad props, despite it being a luck shot. Then the teams balance and I go on the team with the guy I just killed. He gave me props as well.
I think I might be getting half-decent at this game.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 24, 2009, 10:42:59 pm
I don't remember the map, but I was around the corner and they moved in with two heavy, two pyros and two docs. All together... Like one giant blob... I was reading the taunt by the corner, (I did that 3 times before with nobody coming in) and then bam... all 6 down in one hit. People laughed hard on mic.My fav time was being a pyro and killing 6 people with a single taunt.What I'd do to see that...
I had another great moment today, last map of goldrush I manged to get around the entire red team's back (Actually spy backstab close) and I set a sentry right on a demo's feet, behind him... sentry level 1 wiped the red team, I loled.
Post by: JoRo on April 25, 2009, 04:46:46 am
Post by: Mephisto on April 25, 2009, 12:15:52 pm
Related: Does anyone want Half-Life 2 or a TF2 guest pass that expires 5/25/2009?
Post by: Soulwynd on April 25, 2009, 01:35:22 pm
And if any of you guys are new to HL2, search for synergy on steam, it's a free mod that lets you play HL2 coop. I'm up for some of that any time.
Post by: Yanlin on April 26, 2009, 08:06:12 am
Am I right or am I right?
Post by: umiman on April 26, 2009, 08:13:46 am
Post by: Jreengus on April 26, 2009, 10:02:40 am
Or, you know, people in countries where $10 is still a shitload of money.Then they aren't refusing to buy it, they are unable to buy it.
Post by: Puzzlemaker on April 26, 2009, 10:39:14 am
Post by: Soulwynd on April 26, 2009, 12:41:21 pm
Disclaimer: ONLY A COMPLETE AND UTTER IDIOT WOULD REFUSE TO BUY THE ORANGE BOX.Uh, no. Besides tf2 and portal the rest if meh.
Am I right or am I right?
Post by: Yanlin on April 26, 2009, 01:11:20 pm
Disclaimer: ONLY A COMPLETE AND UTTER IDIOT WOULD REFUSE TO BUY THE ORANGE BOX.Uh, no. Besides tf2 and portal the rest if meh.
Am I right or am I right?
Get your blasphemy out of my forum!
Post by: Sowelu on April 26, 2009, 01:56:23 pm
Quote from: Soulwynd link=topic=31265.msg529463#msg529463
Uh, no. Besides tf2 and portal the rest if meh.
That's still TF2 and Portal for $9.99, which is DAMN cheap.
Portal is entertainment more along the lines of a movie than just a puzzle game, IMO. You replay it because the voice acting and monologues are so much fun to watch. So it's like buying a decent DVD, and getting a free, pretty good multiplayer FPS with it.
I AM a little confused about putting the Sniper update in about the same time as a whole bunch of newbies start joining the game. Seems a little hazardous to have a bunch of newbies getting their heads blown off. I mean, yeah, a newbie influx will help make sure that all servers aren't 80% snipers now, but still.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 26, 2009, 03:07:13 pm
If this were your forum I wouldn't be here, no worries there.Disclaimer: ONLY A COMPLETE AND UTTER IDIOT WOULD REFUSE TO BUY THE ORANGE BOX.Uh, no. Besides tf2 and portal the rest if meh.
Am I right or am I right?
Get your blasphemy out of my forum!
Just remember it isn't.
Yeah, it's a great deal, tf2+portal are worth more than 9,99 if you ask me. You gotta also remember, they don't care if newbies stay or not, they care about people buying it. Course, it would help if newbies started advertising the game as fun, but I'm sure the oldbies already do a good job advertising tf2 for free.Quote from: Soulwynd link=topic=31265.msg529463#msg529463Uh, no. Besides tf2 and portal the rest if meh.
That's still TF2 and Portal for $9.99, which is DAMN cheap.
Portal is entertainment more along the lines of a movie than just a puzzle game, IMO. You replay it because the voice acting and monologues are so much fun to watch. So it's like buying a decent DVD, and getting a free, pretty good multiplayer FPS with it.
I AM a little confused about putting the Sniper update in about the same time as a whole bunch of newbies start joining the game. Seems a little hazardous to have a bunch of newbies getting their heads blown off. I mean, yeah, a newbie influx will help make sure that all servers aren't 80% snipers now, but still.
Post by: Yanlin on April 27, 2009, 12:22:10 pm
If this were your forum I wouldn't be here, no worries there.
Just remember it isn't.
More blasphemy?!
Post by: ToonyMan on April 27, 2009, 01:54:13 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 27, 2009, 01:59:54 pm
Post by: Yanlin on April 27, 2009, 04:16:43 pm
Post by: LASD on April 27, 2009, 04:35:30 pm
This is blasphemy! This is madness!It is, so let's get back on topic, shall we?
I'd really like to see a new TF2 blog update that shed even some light on the backpack and hat business. It's been too long time since the last one.
Also I know I've had some truly epic moments in TF2, but I just can't recall a single one. It's really frustrating.
Post by: Jreengus on April 27, 2009, 04:55:11 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 27, 2009, 05:00:30 pm
I just went from being a 'meh' scout, to annihilating every light-to-medium class that stands before me. Now I just need to learn to aim the Medic's blutsauger better.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 27, 2009, 05:02:56 pm
So you really don't need to be good at scout to get the FaN. Curses.
Also, too many deaths to the FaN have taught me that if aimed properly, that thing can kill in two hits.
Post by: Jreengus on April 27, 2009, 05:03:45 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 27, 2009, 05:26:18 pm
What's annoying me are how many of the achievements for the Scout require his special weapons.
I've failed to kill snipers at point blank range with two shots of the FaN, but I haven't failed to kill them with two shots of the scattergun. Plus, the scattergun just plain works at longer range anyway.
Using the FaN to jump never got me anywhere interesting... If it could get up that rocket-jump hole at the entrance of 2fort, then it would REALLY be something. But nope.
Post by: Jreengus on April 27, 2009, 05:43:20 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 27, 2009, 05:46:43 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on April 27, 2009, 06:03:11 pm
Maybe it just fits my style better, I get more kills with it than with the regular scattergun.
Post by: Nilocy on April 27, 2009, 06:27:32 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: JoRo on April 27, 2009, 09:34:26 pm
is my profile and I'm looking for friends so I can get that "uber 10 friends" achievement. I'll feel cool once I get the Ubersaw.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 27, 2009, 10:30:51 pm
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197971021727 (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197971021727)Added.
is my profile and I'm looking for friends so I can get that "uber 10 friends" achievement. I'll feel cool once I get the Ubersaw.
Post by: JoRo on April 28, 2009, 12:31:06 am
Post by: Yanlin on April 28, 2009, 01:35:07 am
So I switched my sandvich for a shotgun, spent some good money firing all the ammo out of Sasha and went to the front line looking like a tard.
I annihilated the entire team...
Seriously. Lolwut?
Post by: Techhead on April 28, 2009, 05:40:59 am
Disclaimer: ONLY A COMPLETE AND UTTER IDIOT WOULD REFUSE TO BUY THE ORANGE BOX.Doesn't work on a Mac. I wish it did.
Am I right or am I right?
Post by: Yanlin on April 28, 2009, 06:21:12 am
Post by: Sowelu on April 28, 2009, 11:17:42 am
<.<
>.>
Post by: Yanlin on April 28, 2009, 11:27:53 am
But even then you'll have people saying it's a horrible deal.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 28, 2009, 02:00:08 pm
And that's how stupid works.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 28, 2009, 02:41:10 pm
Which group should I join? It appears there are multiple DF groups on Steam, and two of them have an equal possibility of being the one everybody uses.
So, which one? I wanna play you guys.
Post by: Mephisto on April 28, 2009, 03:08:04 pm
Post by: Nilocy on April 28, 2009, 04:26:24 pm
Post by: Zai on April 28, 2009, 04:47:25 pm
Post by: LASD on April 28, 2009, 04:58:22 pm
I just joined the DFC. Woo? Woo.I joined only yesterday too, I even put [DFC] in front of my name. Woo.
Also I bought Left 4 Dead today (at 84% now). Woo. I would be quite interested to play TF2 (and potentially L4D when I handle it) with the [DFC]-folks (I'd prefer [Bay12]) sometime.
Woo.
EDIT: I think I should be sleeping instead of waiting for L4D to install.
Post by: WorkerDrone on April 28, 2009, 05:06:11 pm
Not that I ever see anyone in DFC playing TF2, I'll be out there, either mowing down scouts and soldiers as a Heavy in TF2, or getting headshots aplenty as a Sniper.
"Why, is that a dot on you forehead? Why Medic, I didn't know you we're a Buddhist."
"...Vhats No vot-"
Post by: Sowelu on April 28, 2009, 05:51:51 pm
Is there a way to make it less annoying?
Though I would like to get that medic achievement >.>
Post by: Mephisto on April 28, 2009, 05:59:00 pm
So how does this whole community thing work? I get annoyed at big friends lists because let's face it, if I'm not playing I rarely care if anyone but like two or three close friends are, and I never care if they're off playing L4D. Yet Steam insists on keeping me informed.You've got your friends list for people you care about and you've got your communities. I've got three people in my friends list, mostly because they added me. There are roughly 300 people in all of my communities added together. I don't get spammed with what all 300 people are doing, but I can still check in once in a while to see if anything interesting is going on in the group.
Is there a way to make it less annoying?
Though I would like to get that medic achievement >.>
Post by: Cthulhu on April 28, 2009, 06:00:55 pm
It was embarrassing, and I lol'd
Post by: Techhead on April 28, 2009, 06:07:56 pm
Only a complete and utter idiot would try to game on a mac anyway.I don't OWN the computer, I simply use it. My parents own the macs because my dad does graphic design for a living from home. If I bought myself a gaming rig I would either get a PC or pick up a copy of windows so I can run it in bootcamp.
Post by: Yanlin on April 29, 2009, 02:24:22 am
Only a complete and utter idiot would try to game on a mac anyway.I don't OWN the computer, I simply use it. My parents own the macs because my dad does graphic design for a living from home. If I bought myself a gaming rig I would either get a PC or pick up a copy of windows so I can run it in bootcamp.
So let me get this straight. Your dad bought into the whole "Macs are better for artsy stuff" fad too?
Sheesh people. Photoshop works on PC too!
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 29, 2009, 04:54:02 am
Artsy is better! It was scientifically proven by Steve! I'm not sure how but he said he did it, so it must be true!
Post by: Yanlin on April 29, 2009, 05:48:24 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 29, 2009, 05:57:48 am
Post by: umiman on April 29, 2009, 02:50:39 pm
Post by: The Doctor on April 29, 2009, 03:03:52 pm
Post by: umiman on April 29, 2009, 03:09:27 pm
Don't scripts fall under "Print"?Suppose a secretary reads a document she was handling for the board of directors when she sees that it's a proposed contract they were dicussing about giving her a $10,000,000 retirement bonus. She gets very happy and retires but the board doesn't give her that money. She sues, but the courts find that reading a contract not meant for you to read is not enough justification to qualify a contract.
I'm guessing the same logic is in effect here... though using "logic" to explain law is hardly the correct way.
Post by: Metalax on April 29, 2009, 09:22:15 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 29, 2009, 10:02:36 pm
Post by: Yanlin on April 30, 2009, 02:12:29 am
Post by: LASD on April 30, 2009, 03:10:26 am
Just a note for anyone who hasn't got Left4Dead yet and wants to check it out, there is a free 24 hour trial coming up this Friday.Oh god damn! The main reason I bought L4D was to finally try it out (and to find out if my bank card can be used to pay on Steam.) No doubt it will be half price on the weekend just to hurt me more.
At least it's fun, even though there's a rather unfortunate amount of idiots running around. That might be because it matches me with people "most suitable to my experience level", which apparently means 12-year-old French morons.
Also, I'm derailing my own thread. Maybe I should extend this to cover L4D? Or better yet start a new thread for L4D to advertise the free week-end? Yeah, I think I'll do that.
EDIT: Done, now back to TF2.
Post by: Zai on April 30, 2009, 02:13:58 pm
And by the way, I'm currently going by the name of "Elmo." Unfortunately, this computer isn't friendly to mics. As in, it doesn't recognize them at all.
Post by: LASD on May 02, 2009, 03:34:39 am
Code: [Select]
// TF2 MMO
"TF_MMO_LFG" "Looking For Group"
"TF_MMO_Quest1" "You must kill %s1 %s2 to complete this quest."
"TF_MMO_Monster1" "Boars"
"TF_MMO_Monster2" "Rats"
"TF_MMO_Monster3" "Bats"
"TF_MMO_Monster4" "Wolves"
"TF_MMO_Monster5" "Spiders"
Post by: Zaranthan on May 02, 2009, 06:26:07 am
Post by: Yanlin on May 02, 2009, 10:39:47 am
Post by: Asehujiko on May 02, 2009, 12:27:44 pm
Post by: Yanlin on May 02, 2009, 12:44:40 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 02, 2009, 01:12:21 pm
A good medic can kill engies hiding behind their sentries without being seen by the sentry on certain maps/locations.
Post by: Yanlin on May 02, 2009, 01:53:55 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 02, 2009, 03:42:00 pm
A good engy wont let the medic do that.A good medic will have the engie killed before he realizes what's going on.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 02, 2009, 06:21:45 pm
A good engie would have their machines protect their fragile flesh body from the needles.A good engy wont let the medic do that.A good medic will have the engie killed before he realizes what's going on.
Then again, in such a state they are sniperbait.
Alas, my firing is too spread out to be effective at this. What mouse sensitivity do you guys use? It always shifts between too fast to stay on a moving target, and too slow to take down spies who sidestab me while I fumble about.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 02, 2009, 07:13:18 pm
I'm an engie player first before all. An aggro engie nevertheless. But whenever on defense in a classic engie setting, ie, sentry next to dispenser, people do surprise you, be it a spy, a medic, or a sniper. The most classic setting with sentry-engie-dispenser is a spy treat. The second classic setting with engie sitting on top of the dispenser is also a spy treat and possibly a sniper treat.A good engie would have their machines protect their fragile flesh body from the needles.A good engy wont let the medic do that.A good medic will have the engie killed before he realizes what's going on.
Then again, in such a state they are sniperbait.
Alas, my firing is too spread out to be effective at this. What mouse sensitivity do you guys use? It always shifts between too fast to stay on a moving target, and too slow to take down spies who sidestab me while I fumble about.
Prolly the reason I avoid those trappings with my engie.. I tend to shove sentries up to their face and keep my dispenser near the battle for other players to use. I rarely build engie bases, which normally suck on giving points and also aren't very fun.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 02, 2009, 07:19:09 pm
Otherwise I'm always trying to be too clever with teleporters.
Post by: Yanlin on May 03, 2009, 12:53:12 am
So yes. A good engy wouldn't let a medic do that.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2009, 02:06:05 am
Even I who don't like playing medic killed engies by their dispenser and sentry by syringe arc of death.
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 03, 2009, 02:25:20 am
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2009, 02:38:54 am
of course, not everyone on TF2 plays it regularly or plays engie regularly. You might just be getting lucky and facing bad engies or just lucking out with your shots.Yeah, well, with luck you can do anything. But in some maps I already know where to stand to get the typical engie position with a syringe gun without being seen. If you don't kill him, at least you distract him and whoever is close to him. I don't remember if syringes damage engie buildings, but I've never destroyed one with a medic myself, so yeah.
I'm also so used with playing demo (my 2nd fav class) that I think I might have an advantage when imagining the syringe arc before shooting. It certainly helped with the pyro's flare, which is one of my fav weapons in the game.
Edit: Stats, if you wanna take look. http://steamcommunity.com/id/soulwynd/stats/TF2
Bleh, I hate it how my client stats do not match up with the steam stats somehow, I should screenshot it.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 03, 2009, 02:58:01 am
I would once in a while go medic and focus on spewing needles at every enemy that would move,only healing when I didn't have something to shoot at.
Pisses the team off,but I could be pretty deadly.
Heh... I got less kills as a scout than I do as a medic.
Post by: Asehujiko on May 03, 2009, 03:38:59 am
Post by: Yanlin on May 03, 2009, 07:54:00 am
You're a sucky medic then.
Even I who don't like playing medic killed engies by their dispenser and sentry by syringe arc of death.
Show me some proof that you can get an engy with a reaction time so slow that he would sit in place for more than the 4 seconds it takes to kill somebody with the syringe gun.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 03, 2009, 08:00:11 am
Then add a second or a half for the dispenser/natural spread of the syringe gun and the time it takes to get the aim right...You're a sucky medic then.
Even I who don't like playing medic killed engies by their dispenser and sentry by syringe arc of death.
Show me some proof that you can get an engy with a reaction time so slow that he would sit in place for more than the 4 seconds it takes to kill somebody with the syringe gun.
Are we playing on the same types of servers?
Post by: Yanlin on May 03, 2009, 08:21:27 am
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2009, 11:45:27 am
I play mostly on custom maps nowadays and some of them are perfect for that, but I will try to get it recorded next time I'm playing a medic.Then add a second or a half for the dispenser/natural spread of the syringe gun and the time it takes to get the aim right...You're a sucky medic then.
Even I who don't like playing medic killed engies by their dispenser and sentry by syringe arc of death.
Show me some proof that you can get an engy with a reaction time so slow that he would sit in place for more than the 4 seconds it takes to kill somebody with the syringe gun.
Are we playing on the same types of servers?
And no, it's not crit only.
Post by: Yanlin on May 03, 2009, 12:03:02 pm
Or... You know... Let my sentry take care of it? A medic is useless without a healing target.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 03, 2009, 12:08:56 pm
The engineer could not really kill the medic rushing head-on into him.
The medic could not get the engineer thanks to the turret.
Then the medic found a small sliver on the point protecting him from the turret, but not shotgun blasts to the legs.
It was a good ten minutes of them shooting at eachother from afar with close-range weapons and healing periodically.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2009, 12:48:44 pm
Post by: Yanlin on May 03, 2009, 12:52:03 pm
Actually, there was one arena round on Badlands where only an engineer and a medic survived. the engineer had a level three turret from a dead engie protecting the point, as his own was unbuilt. So as the engineer sent to the point, the medic rained needle death upon him. So it was a devilish standoff:
The engineer could not really kill the medic rushing head-on into him.
The medic could not get the engineer thanks to the turret.
Then the medic found a small sliver on the point protecting him from the turret, but not shotgun blasts to the legs.
It was a good ten minutes of them shooting at eachother from afar with close-range weapons and healing periodically.
How quaint. I was in a similar situation once. It was just little medic me and one enemy engineer left in Granary arena. He built a sentry covering the point in one of those little passages between the shipping containers. So what do I do? I saw him when he goes for ammo.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2009, 01:26:22 pm
Well then. It is settled. You're playing against the worst engies ever. A medic tried to pull this one over me. So what did I do? Sit there? I FUCKING MOVED AND TRIED TO FIND THE MEDIC SO I COULD WRENCH HIM!No. The position in which syringe rain happens is when nor the sentry nor the engie can see the medic. Ie. when the sentry is on a higher ground and the medic is on a lower ground and the syringes arc up and rain over the sentry right on the engie. The spread is actually what ensures the engie gets hit the fuck up and you can keep that up non-stop. If the engie moves you can get his sentry/dispenser anyway.
Or... You know... Let my sentry take care of it? A medic is useless without a healing target.
Post by: Yanlin on May 03, 2009, 01:30:41 pm
Well then. It is settled. You're playing against the worst engies ever. A medic tried to pull this one over me. So what did I do? Sit there? I FUCKING MOVED AND TRIED TO FIND THE MEDIC SO I COULD WRENCH HIM!No. The position in which syringe rain happens is when nor the sentry nor the engie can see the medic. Ie. when the sentry is on a higher ground and the medic is on a lower ground and the syringes arc up and rain over the sentry right on the engie. The spread is actually what ensures the engie gets hit the fuck up and you can keep that up non-stop. If the engie moves you can get his sentry/dispenser anyway.
Or... You know... Let my sentry take care of it? A medic is useless without a healing target.
I keep my statement. Only a dumbass engy puts a sentry nest in such a location.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2009, 01:44:02 pm
So? In some custom maps and even some steam maps it's the only practical place to defend a point. I'm not saying the engie cannot do something about it or placing the sentry in some other place. I'm saying syringe rain of death happens and if you're good with arcing weapons, you can do it quite a bit.Well then. It is settled. You're playing against the worst engies ever. A medic tried to pull this one over me. So what did I do? Sit there? I FUCKING MOVED AND TRIED TO FIND THE MEDIC SO I COULD WRENCH HIM!No. The position in which syringe rain happens is when nor the sentry nor the engie can see the medic. Ie. when the sentry is on a higher ground and the medic is on a lower ground and the syringes arc up and rain over the sentry right on the engie. The spread is actually what ensures the engie gets hit the fuck up and you can keep that up non-stop. If the engie moves you can get his sentry/dispenser anyway.
Or... You know... Let my sentry take care of it? A medic is useless without a healing target.
I keep my statement. Only a dumbass engy puts a sentry nest in such a location.
Post by: Cthulhu on May 03, 2009, 06:20:23 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2009, 06:24:55 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2009, 06:30:33 pm
Fear the medic I say.......BOO!!!Don't you hate medic pairs going around ubering each other non-stop?
edit:Typo of doom.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2009, 07:36:26 pm
Fear the medic I say.......BOO!!!Don't you hate medic pairs going around ubering each other non-stop?
edit:Typo of doom.
Yes.
Post by: Zai on May 03, 2009, 08:30:46 pm
Fear the medic I say.......BOO!!!Don't you hate medic pairs going around ubering each other non-stop?
edit:Typo of doom.
Yeah, I was pretty confused when it said hair.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2009, 08:43:39 pm
Yeah, when you type too fast your synaptic memory kicks in and weird crap comes out.Fear the medic I say.......BOO!!!Don't you hate medic pairs going around ubering each other non-stop?
edit:Typo of doom.
Yeah, I was pretty confused when it said hair.
I was in a game once with 4 medics doing those pair up and it was before the scout update, so it was pretty hard to deal with, since only demos could get them to stop.
Post by: JoRo on May 03, 2009, 09:33:00 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2009, 10:54:04 pm
I wish that there weren't so many of the scout achievements that require you to use the Sandman. I like double jumping!I cheated for the scout ones and went to an achievement server. Only because I knew I'd do much better with the alternative gear. My doc/heavy/pyro ones are all legit.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 03, 2009, 10:57:51 pm
You know what? I might just do that. I wanted to avoid the achievement servers at all costs, but the scout ones are never going to be achieved if I do that.I wish that there weren't so many of the scout achievements that require you to use the Sandman. I like double jumping!I cheated for the scout ones and went to an achievement server. Only because I knew I'd do much better with the alternative gear. My doc/heavy/pyro ones are all legit.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 04, 2009, 05:57:05 am
Post by: Cthulhu on May 04, 2009, 07:28:42 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 04, 2009, 07:33:42 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 04, 2009, 10:14:11 am
Flaregun,backburner,axtinguisher.Which sucks for me, because I find only the third one useful.
Flaregun is good if you are skilled in firing in front of a moving target to compensate for a slow projectile or just a method of making a fire for the axetinguisher. Backburner is the staple of W + M1 pyros, and the compression blast is perfect for launching foes a little in the air to disorient them while the axe is taken out.
Then there is the axe, which is about as fun as the flaregun is without the lack of raw damage output.
I'm actually intrigued with the unlocked minigun. From what I can tell, the slowdown effect is caused even at ranges far out of the practical range of the minigun. I'm going to have fun with that one, mainly just causing scouts hell for the hell of it.
Post by: Sowelu on May 04, 2009, 12:35:02 pm
They are both interesting. I still switch between them based on the map.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 04, 2009, 01:45:44 pm
I find the flaregun to be awesome, but I'm pretty used to slow arcing projectiles because I like playing demo. The thing with the flaregun is that, despise it only doing burning damage (unless it's a crit shot), people run. Plus it's deadly for an already damaged target that's far away. I find it to be more useful than the shotgun, except when fighting other pyros. But the axe is the most useful of them all for the pyro, yeah, and I'm avoiding the backburner, I like the blast way too much against pesky ubered people. If you have full ammo, you can keep them from advancing til the uber is over.Flaregun,backburner,axtinguisher.Which sucks for me, because I find only the third one useful.
Flaregun is good if you are skilled in firing in front of a moving target to compensate for a slow projectile or just a method of making a fire for the axetinguisher. Backburner is the staple of W + M1 pyros, and the compression blast is perfect for launching foes a little in the air to disorient them while the axe is taken out.
Then there is the axe, which is about as fun as the flaregun is without the lack of raw damage output.
I'm actually intrigued with the unlocked minigun. From what I can tell, the slowdown effect is caused even at ranges far out of the practical range of the minigun. I'm going to have fun with that one, mainly just causing scouts hell for the hell of it.
Post by: Cthulhu on May 04, 2009, 02:49:29 pm
Post by: Zaranthan on May 04, 2009, 02:54:30 pm
Post by: JoRo on May 04, 2009, 03:27:11 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on May 04, 2009, 03:30:06 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 04, 2009, 03:50:50 pm
I love the flaregun. I too am a frequent demoman player, so I can usually get the person with the first or second shot.I find the arc to be something like 20% stronger than the sticky bomb at full power, And I really enjoy using the sticky at full power and exploding the bomb in middle air at the enemy's face.
Post by: Zai on May 04, 2009, 04:17:07 pm
The Pyro is my favorite class (I use it about 4 times as much as any other class), but I've been playing around as an Engie, on Turbine especially. I also use Heavy, but that's pretty much only when nobody else is switching to it when necessary. Sniper is also fun, but I'm kind of just waiting for the Sniper pack update before I seriously use it.
Post by: Jreengus on May 05, 2009, 05:48:27 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 05, 2009, 05:55:35 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/
Post by: JoRo on May 05, 2009, 06:10:05 pm
I broke down and hit an achievement server for the last scout milestone. I'm sure any team I'm on where I'm not repeatedly trying to stun everything that moves will appreciate it.
Post by: Sowelu on May 05, 2009, 06:37:21 pm
I was busy
...wh...That's no information at all!!
Except that the new rifle DOES make him get closer...Hmmm...Weird.
Faster charge rate, but damage falloff? Slower charge, and less FOV restriction and less move speed penalty?
Post by: Cthulhu on May 05, 2009, 07:04:47 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 05, 2009, 07:40:21 pm
Insane.
Better throw him out of scope for half a second when he takes damage, that way you could counter at least a little bit with something..
Post by: Soulwynd on May 10, 2009, 12:06:53 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QIcxoJU4g
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 10, 2009, 12:26:32 am
Looking at my stats, I cannot feel I can take the demoman and sniper statistics straight anymore what with my new love for skill jumping servers and sniper on the last point of Dustbowl.
Post by: Eviltyphoon on May 10, 2009, 04:32:17 am
In case this hasn't been posted yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QIcxoJU4g
Wow.... Just wow.... That is one epic video.
Post by: Sowelu on May 10, 2009, 06:34:01 am
In case this hasn't been posted yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QIcxoJU4g
YOU MUST NOT FAIL, THIS TIME.
That was truly, truly epic.
Post by: Sowelu on May 12, 2009, 05:41:28 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/sniperupdate/
"You will shoot them and they will stick to the wall and they will die"
YES.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 12, 2009, 05:46:54 pm
SNIPER UPDAAAATE
http://www.teamfortress.com/sniperupdate/
"You will shoot them and they will stick to the wall and they will die"
YES.
Wow, looks awesome.
Post by: Sowelu on May 12, 2009, 06:08:26 pm
I mean, if you can pin someone for a second or so...suddenly snipers are very useful on offense, and in defending the intel at close range. Heck they're going to be great in arena now regardless, which they never were before. I'm hoping the new bow brings them up to a fairly high tier, but keeps them off the balconies.
(EDIT: According to http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=858424 , word of god is that the arrows don't pin living enemies, only dead ones.)
Post by: The Doctor on May 12, 2009, 06:27:10 pm
Fully charged will be like a bullet, flying straight.
Half Charge will be like a flare gun, some arc but you can still hit the far ones,
And low charge (like you're just spamming arrows) will be like a demomans grenade.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 12, 2009, 06:38:58 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 12, 2009, 06:41:45 pm
Still, I'm guessing just noticably more arc than the flaregun.
Post by: Nilocy on May 12, 2009, 06:50:56 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 12, 2009, 06:56:39 pm
Post by: umiman on May 12, 2009, 06:57:03 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 12, 2009, 06:59:55 pm
I've done it. It's all situational. Very tough in a public game.I've seen it done in a public game when a crit doc was healing a soldier. Pyro got them on the 3rd rocket.
Post by: LASD on May 13, 2009, 03:06:29 am
But wait a minute, they were supposed to make an update with content for all classes before the Sniper update, I guess they're coupling the hats with this one then.
The Sniper update should produce some awesome screenshots, like a Demo with an afro who was sticky-jumping pinned to the ceiling in Turbine.
Dammit, the update will make the game take even bigger toll on the CPU, so it will be that much less playable for me. It's rather strange that the recommendations for TF2 are a lot lower than for L4D, but still the latter runs fine and the former plays horribly even with every possible FPS-improving option on. Come on TF2, my computer doesn't even pass the minimal specs for L4D! I think I'll have to wait for a new computer to properly experience the Sniper update.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 13, 2009, 05:08:12 am
I managed it a few days immediately after the pyro update rolled out.I've done it. It's all situational. Very tough in a public game.I've seen it done in a public game when a crit doc was healing a soldier. Pyro got them on the 3rd rocket.
It was awesome.But it was also on 2fort...
Post by: Jreengus on May 13, 2009, 06:39:48 am
Has anyone managed to get that pyro achievement where you air blast a crit rocket into a soldier and kill him? I havn't i came so close once, i airblasted it back towards him, but it went off in the wrong direction sadly.2 tips:
1. Don't aim at the rocket with the air blast aim at what you want to hit.
2. Air blast about a second or so before you think you should.
I haven't played pyro for ages but when it came out I used to be an air blast master.
Post by: Zaranthan on May 13, 2009, 08:29:25 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 13, 2009, 08:43:55 am
2. Air blast about a second or so before you think you should.Let me tell you, that results in a miss and a very nasty rocket wound.
Although my main problem was with number 1, and actually getting into a position in the half-second you have to both aim the flamethrower towards my target and position myself so the blast hits the projectile.
I did, however, once manage to rocketjump using the compression blast.
It was amazing, and made me wish there was an achievement for it.
Post by: Jreengus on May 13, 2009, 08:47:17 am
Post by: Zaranthan on May 13, 2009, 09:19:21 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 13, 2009, 09:36:07 am
Post by: Sowelu on May 13, 2009, 05:41:05 pm
DOUBLE PAYLOAD!
Each team has their own cart, which they apparently push through enemy territory for most of it.
And at the very end, you have to push it up a ramp, and if you lose control of the cart for even a moment, it immediately starts rolling backwards!
Also one of the two new arena maps has rain. :O
Post by: Soulwynd on May 13, 2009, 05:50:35 pm
Sniper Update Day 2...Sounds like your common "racing" community maps. They're basically double PL maps where you have to race your opponents, one of them which I like takes place in a city and with trucks, so you can have like four people sitting on the truck shooting around.
DOUBLE PAYLOAD!
Each team has their own cart, which they apparently push through enemy territory for most of it.
And at the very end, you have to push it up a ramp, and if you lose control of the cart for even a moment, it immediately starts rolling backwards!
Also one of the two new arena maps has rain. :O
Post by: The Doctor on May 13, 2009, 05:52:11 pm
The next guy said "Nah, I don't think so..."
Post by: Zai on May 13, 2009, 07:20:59 pm
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
America's pipelines are a stirring beacon of hope. Let no man befoul their majesty with calumny or bombs.
Post by: Sowelu on May 13, 2009, 07:57:46 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 13, 2009, 10:48:32 pm
With the alternate sniper rifle being a medium-range bow, spies won't be having the greatest time in the world in the coming weeks.
Dammit.
Post by: Jreengus on May 14, 2009, 05:23:19 am
Post by: The Doctor on May 14, 2009, 11:24:38 am
Shoot, just realized something:Oh, they will.
With the alternate sniper rifle being a medium-range bow, spies won't be having the greatest time in the world in the coming weeks.
Dammit.
For one, most snipers will still have their rifle.
For two, most snipers will still be on the battlements. It's what they do. >_>
And for three, most of em are companion cube snipers. >_>
They'll be too focused on the other snipers to worry about spies. :3
Post by: Zaranthan on May 14, 2009, 12:27:17 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2009, 01:02:45 pm
And for three, most of em are companion cube snipers. >_>Snipers who snipe other snipers are worthless snipers. >_>
Even the companion cube had some use. <_<
Post by: Zaranthan on May 14, 2009, 01:16:32 pm
Post by: The Doctor on May 14, 2009, 01:45:22 pm
Post by: umiman on May 14, 2009, 01:48:45 pm
They might replace it with a shotgun equivalent.Doesn't sound like Valve.
I'm thinking, a mirror or something to look around corners. With a minigun attached.
Post by: The Doctor on May 14, 2009, 01:50:35 pm
And who really uses the SMG that much? It's either sniper rifle or Kukri, I've found.
But lots of people would use a shotgun >_>
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2009, 02:56:46 pm
Well, they're trying to make the sniper more close ranged.O.o Most pro snipers are smg/kukri crazy.
And who really uses the SMG that much? It's either sniper rifle or Kukri, I've found.
But lots of people would use a shotgun >_>
Post by: Zaranthan on May 14, 2009, 03:15:15 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 14, 2009, 03:18:04 pm
You can't use the kukri against Pyros, Scouts, or Spies.
You can against spies when you know they're there. Just don't back away from them (facestab bait). If they start backing up to use their revolver, you can hose them down with the SMG too, and win.
Post by: LASD on May 14, 2009, 04:01:06 pm
I'm sure this shield will cause all kinds of riots at Steam Forums.
In other news, I played Arena today and it was great fun! I was quite surprised, usually I get fed up with Arena after only a few rounds.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2009, 04:18:13 pm
Oh well, valve does what valve wants.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 14, 2009, 04:28:54 pm
Still, the ability to run a few feet before the fourth bullet is better than instant death.
Post by: Zai on May 14, 2009, 04:31:12 pm
But Arena is quite possibly my favorite mode. =D
Post by: Sowelu on May 14, 2009, 04:41:46 pm
We needed more underpowered sidegrades.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 14, 2009, 05:00:55 pm
I can't possibly... *bang* *bang* *bang*... Problem solved.
Post by: Jreengus on May 14, 2009, 05:06:29 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 14, 2009, 05:07:33 pm
Alright,I'll just cloak up to the sniper balcony aaand... Oh,hes wearing a razorback!
I can't possibly... *bang* *bang* *bang*... Problem solved.
Alright, the team is about to start a bug push. I had better get ready for a backstab chain. Alright, here I go! One, two t-
*ZAP!*
GAH! Whats a sniper doing in the middle of a big push?!
Actually, considering the rather limited nature of this item, I think a little buffing is in order. Either 10-20% damage reduction to the back, or cancellation of all criticals done to the back, or something more than just a limited anti-spy exchange for their sidearm.
Post by: Sowelu on May 14, 2009, 05:19:59 pm
Let me throw a couple other possibilities:
- It replaces the Kukri.
- You can still bash people with it for kukri damage! The only loss is your run speed.
- It replaces the SMG.
- You can still wield it, and use it like a classic riot shield kind of thing for some protection from the front while it's out.
Post by: LASD on May 15, 2009, 03:45:38 pm
I thought it was strange to make a weapon that affects only one class.
EDIT2: Sniperupdate now redirects to spyupdate. Also, this whole thing was apparently preceded by the day 3 picture with an uncloaking spy behind the Sniper.
Post by: Sowelu on May 15, 2009, 03:52:46 pm
Also. From the main TF2 blog:
"Day 4 of the Sniper update brings us... hold on, that's not...
Holy hell. All those conspiracy theorists on the TF forum couldn't have been right all along, could they? When the Pyro hears about this she'll be inconsolable."
CALLED IT
Post by: Eviltyphoon on May 15, 2009, 03:53:53 pm
Post by: LASD on May 15, 2009, 03:59:43 pm
I wonder too if the Sniper things are for real, I'd bet on the Huntsman, but I'm not totally convinced with the Razorback.
EDIT: Don't have a screenshot, but I saw the she too.
Post by: Sowelu on May 15, 2009, 04:00:58 pm
She'll be inconsolable? Okay, they just made a whole load of conspiracies true.
I wonder too if the Sniper things are for real, I'd bet on the Huntsman, but I'm not totally convinced with the Razorback.
Likewise.
Oh yeah, and they just changed the quote on the blog post. D: It now says "Pyro's going to be inconsolable now."
But yeah, female pyro was the thing I meant when I said "called it".
Post by: Techhead on May 15, 2009, 04:03:38 pm
B: Not one but TWO alternatives to the watch.
C: Stupid, stupid sniper.
Post by: Sowelu on May 15, 2009, 04:05:13 pm
B: Not one but TWO alternatives to the watch.
How do you know one of them doesn't replace the revolver? (edit: nah, they do both say 'spy watch')
Though I think both options are good in themselves. "Fake die when you get hit" is totally the best feign EVER.
I'm betting that the Cloak and Dagger has a smaller battery while moving, so you can't sneak past enemy lines nearly as well. And I'm betting that the Dead Ringer doesn't let you cloak normally.
Man, the Steam forums are being killed SO hard...
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 15, 2009, 04:06:48 pm
B: This might just lead up to the next sniper item, which deals with exactly what just happened.
C: I'm personally lookin' at that beard camera. Finally, we can capture footage of dwarven mating rituals.
Post by: LASD on May 15, 2009, 04:09:46 pm
EDIT: Also, haha, they pushed back the update day by 3 to 5/21/09.
EDIT2:
On the blog page, downright: "Major Updates"EDIT: Also, haha, they pushed back the update day by 3 to 5/21/09.
Where do you see a release date?
EDIT3:
It's a quote! From the FUTUREIt is, I used my scientific future-prediction skills.
Post by: Sowelu on May 15, 2009, 04:15:47 pm
EDIT: Also, haha, they pushed back the update day by 3 to 5/21/09.
Where do you see a release date?
Post by: Techhead on May 15, 2009, 04:18:36 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 15, 2009, 04:33:19 pm
Post by: Jreengus on May 15, 2009, 06:04:02 pm
Post by: Nilocy on May 15, 2009, 06:18:11 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 15, 2009, 06:48:23 pm
I swear I've played on a server with something similar to the dead ringer watch, while cloaked you could use the fire button to create a fake corpse for a chunk of charge. Main problem I'm seeing with the dead ringer watch is no death announcement. My eyes always flicker up there when I kill someone so I personally am unlikely to be fooled.
I suspect that the dead ringer will create a death announcement. Might not give you points though.
If they're really sneaky, it'll give you a point, but take it away after a while.
What I'd really like is--if you are disguised as a FRIENDLY (not enemy) class, the fake corpse is of that class. So in highlander matches (exactly 1 of each class), you can make them think they just killed your demoman or something.
Post by: Yanlin on May 16, 2009, 12:48:10 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 16, 2009, 05:53:30 am
If the razorback is real, then it should be possible to sap it. Thus breaking it.
Would that not defeat the purpose? Admittedly, you'd know there was a spy in the room, but all that would do would be to make it tiresome for both spy and sniper.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 16, 2009, 07:01:38 am
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 16, 2009, 07:04:54 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 16, 2009, 07:07:30 am
Post by: Yanlin on May 16, 2009, 07:36:22 am
Post by: Nilocy on May 16, 2009, 08:21:07 am
Post by: Yanlin on May 16, 2009, 10:15:12 am
Post by: Jreengus on May 16, 2009, 11:02:38 am
Post by: Yanlin on May 16, 2009, 12:31:59 pm
Post by: Nilocy on May 16, 2009, 03:18:21 pm
Post by: The Doctor on May 16, 2009, 08:17:40 pm
STAB
You've got blood on my suit.
AWAYS
Post by: Yanlin on May 17, 2009, 01:01:16 am
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 17, 2009, 01:21:21 am
I await you adoration. Which can be paid in donations to Toady because I've been too cheap to do it myself so far for some reason. :(
Post by: Walliard on May 17, 2009, 01:49:53 am
Post by: Yanlin on May 17, 2009, 02:04:04 am
Gentlemen! (http://www.wegame.com/watch/Meet_the_spy_7/)
I await you adoration. Which can be paid in donations to Toady because I've been too cheap to do it myself so far for some reason. :(
If that turns out to be the official video leaked... I'm shitting myself. This is now how I expected "Meet the spy" to be.
But hot damn it looks like Valve themselves did it. The voice actors are the same... Except maybe for the spy for some odd reason...
The animation looks like Valve did it.
The script? Nope. Un-Valve-y.
Post by: Tilla on May 17, 2009, 02:08:43 am
Post by: umiman on May 17, 2009, 02:47:26 am
Post by: WorkerDrone on May 17, 2009, 03:38:24 am
(http://img4.fpsbanana.com/ico/sprays/gentlemen.png)
Post by: Eviltyphoon on May 17, 2009, 04:31:14 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ4ZYFxoq2s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ4ZYFxoq2s)
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 17, 2009, 04:57:03 am
Meet the spy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ4ZYFxoq2s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ4ZYFxoq2s)
When did you become head of the redundancy department of redundancy? Admittedly, the hours are good but you end up feeling embarrassed an awful lot
Post by: Eviltyphoon on May 17, 2009, 05:02:17 am
damn
Post by: Jreengus on May 17, 2009, 05:04:38 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 17, 2009, 05:23:52 am
EDIT: I don't actually think it's a fake.
Post by: WorkerDrone on May 17, 2009, 05:25:28 am
I'd say they DID.
Post by: Asehujiko on May 17, 2009, 08:04:56 am
Also, note how there are several hints given about the identity of the red spy:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
However, other MtT videos are half as long and feature the relevant class giving a short speech and showing off their abilities, not a plot like this one.
If it's a fake, valve should hire the maker to produce a movie in that style.
Post by: Zironic on May 17, 2009, 08:39:52 am
Post by: WorkerDrone on May 17, 2009, 08:42:56 am
And the Heavy the entire time is pretty much just there contemplating murder.
YOU SAW THE HATE IN HIS EYES. I THOUGHT HE WAS THE SPY.
Also, this is the first time I've seen another of the same class in any classes Meet The movie.
Oh, and yes, It was hilarious when the music cut off because the soldier
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Trust me, its funnier if its not ruined. Just go back and watch that video, and AGREE WITH ME HOW AWESOME IT WAS.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 17, 2009, 08:53:47 am
One reason is...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Nilocy on May 17, 2009, 11:53:51 am
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 17, 2009, 12:00:23 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 17, 2009, 12:14:10 pm
Remember the scout update? A melee weapon that shoots stunning shots? Yeah, valve can do whatever it wants. Remember meet the Sandvitch?
Post by: Zai on May 17, 2009, 01:21:26 pm
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 17, 2009, 01:34:12 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 17, 2009, 11:38:43 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 18, 2009, 01:34:04 pm
Question, do you think the spy's girlfriend could be the pyro? Since valve made that mess up...?
"mess up"? That was all fully intentional.
I'm betting that the leaked video is just more of their planned update shenanigans. They're trying to mess with the community's head with this update.
Post by: umiman on May 18, 2009, 04:19:38 pm
P.s: The voice actor of Pyro and the Spy are the same person too.
Post by: Nilocy on May 18, 2009, 05:19:53 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 18, 2009, 05:30:21 pm
Post by: alphafalcon on May 18, 2009, 06:58:36 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/spyupdate/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/spyupdate/)
Scroll all the way down for Valva Corporate Achievement
Post by: Dasleah on May 18, 2009, 07:54:32 pm
Not to mention the fact that each class will have equal opportunity to kill another class, and thus such relationships would seem odd.
All's fair in love and war.
Oh, and here's (http://files.uploadffs.com/d/69a5db55/meethespy.jpg) the HD screencap of the Alert screen. Some interesting stuff on there.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 18, 2009, 08:18:37 pm
Oh, and here's (http://files.uploadffs.com/d/69a5db55/meethespy.jpg) the HD screencap of the Alert screen. Some interesting stuff on there.Lower left corner people.
Post by: Zai on May 18, 2009, 08:22:17 pm
Oh, and here's (http://files.uploadffs.com/d/69a5db55/meethespy.jpg) the HD screencap of the Alert screen. Some interesting stuff on there.Lower left corner people.
Leaked Video.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 18, 2009, 08:29:03 pm
Two red spy lights?Oh, and here's (http://files.uploadffs.com/d/69a5db55/meethespy.jpg) the HD screencap of the Alert screen. Some interesting stuff on there.Lower left corner people.
Leaked Video.
Post by: Servant Corps on May 18, 2009, 08:36:42 pm
In "Meet the Sandwich", is the Sandwich the one who was killing everybody because they DARED to eat him? Or was Person A killing Person B because Person B was eating Person A's sandwich?
I need to know so I can understand the joke.
Post by: WorkerDrone on May 18, 2009, 09:11:51 pm
Post by: The Doctor on May 18, 2009, 09:12:28 pm
Heavy killed everyone because of the strength he got from sandvich.
Then sandvich killed heavy... Not really.
Post by: Zaranthan on May 19, 2009, 11:13:39 am
Post by: Sowelu on May 19, 2009, 11:38:15 am
Oh, and here's (http://files.uploadffs.com/d/69a5db55/meethespy.jpg) the HD screencap of the Alert screen. Some interesting stuff on there.Lower left corner people.
Leaked Video.
Analysis of the high-res version (which was only available from the official release) and the low-res version (leaked) shows that the original did not say "leaked video". The words are clearly different, the space in the middle is in a different place...but there's just not enough detail to see what it originally said.
In any case, they did change it for the release.
Post by: Yanlin on May 19, 2009, 02:26:50 pm
It also appears in the Youtube versions. I could make it out.
PREWF that Valve leaked it on purpose!
Post by: Sowelu on May 19, 2009, 02:59:02 pm
It also appears in the Youtube versions. I could make it out.
Nope.
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8223/leak.gif)
Note that the space is on different sides of the wire in the low and high res version. Different words.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 19, 2009, 03:53:23 pm
The low res version says "Is bullshitting" and don't be fooled, "Hungry" on the low res version also reads "Yanlin".It also appears in the Youtube versions. I could make it out.
Nope.
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8223/leak.gif)
Note that the space is on different sides of the wire in the low and high res version. Different words.
Post by: umiman on May 19, 2009, 03:54:22 pm
Post by: Nilocy on May 19, 2009, 04:46:46 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/spyupdate/english.htm
Post by: Sowelu on May 19, 2009, 04:52:04 pm
I'm betting the revolver still has better DPS, so at close range, you don't want the Ambassador.
Yeah, there's going to be a lot more spies NOT cloaking, now. A spy just sitting there below the balcony in 2fort will be a force to be reckoned with, as long as there are no enemy snipers.
...Which means...that the sniper is a valid counter for the Spy all of a sudden! The spy can be a mini-sniper and very effective, but would get rocked by a real sniper at range.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 19, 2009, 05:45:52 pm
I'm intrigued. It makes the spy viable as a dedicated longer-range class. Pop out from behind a wall and put two shots into an oncoming scout--you won't get more than two, most likely, but with good aim, you'll get him good.The thing is, you can move about quickly with this gun. A good enough spy could take a down a sniper, partially because the sniper is a lot slower, partially because the spy is still sneaky and if the sniper does not get in a headshot the spy will use the watch that leaves a corpse and cloaks himself. Then just pop on a disguise and run for some nearby health before going after the sniper again.
I'm betting the revolver still has better DPS, so at close range, you don't want the Ambassador.
Yeah, there's going to be a lot more spies NOT cloaking, now. A spy just sitting there below the balcony in 2fort will be a force to be reckoned with, as long as there are no enemy snipers.
...Which means...that the sniper is a valid counter for the Spy all of a sudden! The spy can be a mini-sniper and very effective, but would get rocked by a real sniper at range.
Post by: Yanlin on May 20, 2009, 07:32:03 am
It also appears in the Youtube versions. I could make it out.
Nope.
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8223/leak.gif)
Note that the space is on different sides of the wire in the low and high res version. Different words.
Hmm. Perhaps It wasn't Youtube... But this upload is still before the real one.
http://www.wegame.com/watch/Meet_the_spy_7/
Upon further examination you appear to be right. I withdraw my original claim.
Post by: Jreengus on May 20, 2009, 10:22:36 am
But a good sniper would just charge 100% and then get a body shot on them if they can't get a head shot.I'm intrigued. It makes the spy viable as a dedicated longer-range class. Pop out from behind a wall and put two shots into an oncoming scout--you won't get more than two, most likely, but with good aim, you'll get him good.The thing is, you can move about quickly with this gun. A good enough spy could take a down a sniper, partially because the sniper is a lot slower, partially because the spy is still sneaky and if the sniper does not get in a headshot the spy will use the watch that leaves a corpse and cloaks himself. Then just pop on a disguise and run for some nearby health before going after the sniper again.
I'm betting the revolver still has better DPS, so at close range, you don't want the Ambassador.
Yeah, there's going to be a lot more spies NOT cloaking, now. A spy just sitting there below the balcony in 2fort will be a force to be reckoned with, as long as there are no enemy snipers.
...Which means...that the sniper is a valid counter for the Spy all of a sudden! The spy can be a mini-sniper and very effective, but would get rocked by a real sniper at range.
Post by: Ampersand on May 20, 2009, 11:21:43 am
Post by: Sowelu on May 20, 2009, 01:11:14 pm
Then again, it has 20-25 at long range. That needs to be bumped up a lot to make it competitive. 40 damage at long range, while still 55-60 at point blank as well as lowering its ROF, and it'll still get a lot of use.
Post by: Ampersand on May 20, 2009, 01:16:30 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 20, 2009, 01:24:42 pm
Also, I'm starting to warm up with using the demoman. I can see clearly why people want him nerfed, because I feel like a god with him. As long as you can aim in front of targets properly you can do well.
Post by: umiman on May 20, 2009, 01:44:00 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 20, 2009, 01:47:42 pm
Didn't the update mention that it's accurate like a sniper rifle at long distances as well?
Yeah...Which I assume means there's literally no inaccuracy (1-pixel crosshair essentially). Which seems cool and uncool. Uncool because of the aimbotters, cool because it'll be so obvious and they will get owned.
Post by: umiman on May 20, 2009, 01:49:04 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 20, 2009, 01:52:54 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 20, 2009, 07:03:43 pm
Bastards.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 20, 2009, 07:28:00 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/sniper_vs_spy/
And I must say, I might like sniper a bit more after this. Soldier is starting to look terrible as a class.
Post by: Sowelu on May 20, 2009, 07:28:57 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 20, 2009, 07:29:53 pm
Although the four-sniper team in every match now is getting a bit annoying, this will be an interesting few weeks of spy vs. Sniper update.
Post by: JoRo on May 20, 2009, 07:45:50 pm
Post by: Nilocy on May 20, 2009, 08:37:35 pm
I was initially appalled, but the Jarate actually sounds pretty useful. Who can pass up a legitimate reason to throw jars of urine at your teammates?
Heck, i'll throw it at them even when they're not on fire!
Post by: Sowelu on May 20, 2009, 08:41:40 pm
I was initially appalled, but the Jarate actually sounds pretty useful. Who can pass up a legitimate reason to throw jars of urine at your teammates?
Heck, i'll throw it at them even when they're not on fire!
That would be exactly what I'm not looking forwards to.
Snipers sitting huddled at the spawn cabinet all round, chucking jars of pee at their teammates like there's no tomorrow.
Post by: LASD on May 21, 2009, 02:36:57 pm
I'd like Day 8-blog post and the update now, but probably Valve will take it's sweet time and release them in the early hours of Friday for me, so the point I finally get to play is still, at minimum, 12 hours away.
Post by: Metalax on May 21, 2009, 07:46:53 pm
Post by: The Doctor on May 21, 2009, 08:00:41 pm
Too many people updating, I guess... D:
Post by: Metalax on May 21, 2009, 08:12:57 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 21, 2009, 08:15:59 pm
Then it's time to unlock the axetinguisher legitimately.
Post by: Zai on May 21, 2009, 08:26:04 pm
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Spies disguised as enemy spies now get a random mask to help complete the disguise, and their target id will be set appropriatelyHoly crap. Even more usefulness:
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Spies can now use enemy teleportersThey made the Pyro's air blast more useful, similar to Jarate's effect on teammates. I expect to see less of the Backburner now:
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Flamethrower's air burst now extinguishes fire on friendly targets
I feel like the Spy got the better end of the update. =/
Oh well. I won't be able to get on until Monday, as I'll be away for the weekend.
Post by: Sowelu on May 21, 2009, 08:31:33 pm
Now even spies with masks on have to be spy-checked:QuoteSpies disguised as enemy spies now get a random mask to help complete the disguise, and their target id will be set appropriatelyHoly crap. Even more usefulness:QuoteSpies can now use enemy teleporters
It doesn't stop there:
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Spies disguised as medics now have an Ubercharge: line in their disguise target info
Post by: Metalax on May 21, 2009, 08:38:01 pm
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Flamethrower's air burst now extinguishes fire on friendly targetsBig buff for the pyro.
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Standard sniper rifle now shoots through friendly playersno more teammates mucking up a good shot.
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Spies outward facing "disguise health" now matches their disguise target when they first apply the disguiseNo more benefit of doubt from the pyro. Spy checks for Everyone!
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Demomen can now detonate their stickies while tauntingheh. Kaboo*BOOM*
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Grenades and rockets deflected by a pyro under the effects of Kritzkrieg will now be criticalshehehe.
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Engineer's dispensers now give 20%, 30%, or 40% of player's max_ammo (for each ammo type) on each use, based on the level of the dispenserhmm going to have to check how much this effects dispenser camping.
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You now find new and old items as you play, instead of through achievementsgoing to have to see how this works
Post by: Zai on May 21, 2009, 08:51:00 pm
QuoteYou now find new and old items as you play, instead of through achievementsgoing to have to see how this works
Woah, woah. What? I didn't notice that one. So now we unlock the items by just playing the classes often? I like that.
Post by: Sowelu on May 21, 2009, 08:52:50 pm
Post by: JoRo on May 21, 2009, 09:17:03 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 21, 2009, 09:18:30 pm
Post by: Metalax on May 21, 2009, 11:52:17 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 22, 2009, 02:10:44 am
Hats DO drop randomly, just at a lower frequency than other stuff.
The unlocking does make sense if Steam doesn't trust anything it hears from the server, and instead just awards them to the account for saying that it's playing...
Post by: umiman on May 22, 2009, 03:20:43 am
Man, people are so simple.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 22, 2009, 05:54:34 am
Post by: JoRo on May 22, 2009, 06:03:50 am
Even though I have a hard time hitting anything that isn't either stationary or really close with the Huntsman, nailing people to walls is the best thing ever. Plus, kill taunt.
Post by: Aribar Hunter on May 22, 2009, 07:17:56 am
Post by: Nilocy on May 22, 2009, 07:55:49 am
Rock beats paper.
Fire beats everything :D
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 22, 2009, 09:08:06 am
Fire doesn't work terribly well when there are twelve snipers and blue dots covering the entire map.Rock beats paper.
Fire beats everything :D
Then they all unexpectedly turned into spies, and much fun was had.
Post by: Jreengus on May 22, 2009, 10:02:53 am
Spoiler: The Math because I'm nerdy like that. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Yanlin on May 22, 2009, 10:37:19 am
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 10:46:11 am
Jarate
The Huntsman
The Ambassador.
I WIN
Post by: Jreengus on May 22, 2009, 11:26:20 am
After three hours of playing, I haveI hate you. Tell me where you live I'm going to things to you with your own arm that only a DFer would think of.
Jarate
The Huntsman
The Ambassador.
I WIN
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 11:37:05 am
Post by: Soulwynd on May 22, 2009, 12:38:28 pm
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 01:43:09 pm
Post by: Eviltyphoon on May 22, 2009, 01:52:44 pm
After 5 hours of playing non stop (Crashes not counted) I got a whopping 2 unlocks. THAT I ALREADY HAD!
Lucky you... I just played 5-6 hours, and guess what I got? NOTHING
Post by: ToonyMan on May 22, 2009, 01:58:01 pm
Hmpf. Lousy luck.
Post by: Zaranthan on May 22, 2009, 02:09:16 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 22, 2009, 02:18:37 pm
Oh--I calculated that it takes about 60 item drops for a fresh player to get everything, on average!
The system is apparently bugged btw, that's why some people are getting nothing.
Post by: Eviltyphoon on May 22, 2009, 02:52:54 pm
Yeah, I'm starting to wish there were no unlockables at all.
Oh--I calculated that it takes about 60 item drops for a fresh player to get everything, on average!
Which is a lot...
The system is apparently bugged btw, that's why some people are getting nothing.
Hmpf... Ofcourse I'm one of those people
Post by: Jreengus on May 22, 2009, 03:15:00 pm
Post by: Zaranthan on May 22, 2009, 03:30:56 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 22, 2009, 04:01:00 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 22, 2009, 04:38:15 pm
Even if the weapons were will random with random stats... At least you'd constantly get weapons instead of... Like me... Play for 3 hours and get nothing while one dude in my team got 3 weapons in a single map.
Post by: The Doctor on May 22, 2009, 08:13:57 pm
I want this.
You will buy me this.
:3
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 22, 2009, 08:15:27 pm
http://store.valvesoftware.com/tf2/tf2-tee.spy-mens02.htmlThat is just bad-ass.
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 08:27:22 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 22, 2009, 08:29:15 pm
Also, I must admit I'm not even playing sniper to snipe anymore. I'm a grenadier now.
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 08:30:47 pm
Post by: Ampersand on May 22, 2009, 09:26:32 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2535
Valve explains, to a small degree anyway, what and why they did with the item acquisition.
Post by: Zaranthan on May 23, 2009, 12:25:09 am
Post by: JoRo on May 23, 2009, 02:32:58 am
Post by: Jreengus on May 23, 2009, 02:35:45 am
Double post, but topical.
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2535
Valve explains, to a small degree anyway, what and why they did with the item acquisition.
Oh thankyou valve for telling me about item trading after I deleted all my duplicates to keep my inventory clean.
Second major noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo they made it so cloaked spies can't taunt kill. I thought that was an intended feature! Especially since it slightly uncloaked you like when you take damage or bump someone.
Post by: Ampersand on May 23, 2009, 04:36:48 am
Also, you can kill people with the Huntsman taunt during the Everybody Looses Stalemate.
Post by: JoRo on May 23, 2009, 04:42:55 am
Also, you can kill people with the Huntsman taunt during the Everybody Looses Stalemate.Makes sense, don't all the taunt kills still work? I got Huntsman taunted during humiliation, which is the first time I'd ever been taunt killed.
Post by: Metalax on May 23, 2009, 06:57:26 am
Ditto on the item trading. I'd deleted all six duplicates I've picked up while still waiting for the first of the new unlocks.
Post by: Nilocy on May 23, 2009, 09:46:32 am
Post by: Soulwynd on May 23, 2009, 10:40:08 am
Read before you post.
;) @ Nilocy
Post by: Nilocy on May 23, 2009, 11:38:47 am
Post by: Soulwynd on May 23, 2009, 12:23:17 pm
I hope they fix the rates soon. I've been playing for two days and nothing yet. It should average on around 1 and a half item a day, ie, 3 items in 2 days. 6-8 hours played in two days and nothing.... wtf...
Post by: Sowelu on May 23, 2009, 01:39:55 pm
Second major noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo they made it so cloaked spies can't taunt kill. I thought that was an intended feature! Especially since it slightly uncloaked you like when you take damage or bump someone.
That was a huge problem when it worked against sentry guns. WAY overpowered. And if you make it not work against guns, but still work about people, but only when you're cloaked, that's weird.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 23, 2009, 01:47:12 pm
How unfair would that be?
Post by: Sowelu on May 23, 2009, 02:14:44 pm
Well duh. Scouts can't taunt kill while Bonk!-immortal either.
How unfair would that be?
Yes they can! Or at least they could. Or at least I saw videos with people doing that a lot.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 23, 2009, 04:41:52 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 23, 2009, 11:05:40 pm
I imagined it would be a low % chance to get an item for a class if you kill that class. For the ones currently without unlocks, a random weapon. Makes sense, and prevents everybody from all playing the same class(after all if you want the spy achievements you would then go pyro, not try to spy vs spy). I suppose there's still hope of that kinda thing happening to influence the effect. And I have my fingers crossed for any kind of sanity at the moment.
Defiantly not impressed and yes I think I will cry moar.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 23, 2009, 11:07:13 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 24, 2009, 12:30:57 am
They mentioned more rares incoming, like the hats. I hope for random stats on weapons and maybe even more sets of weapons for each class. *shrugs*
Post by: debvon on May 24, 2009, 01:11:27 am
And now.. well now it seems like it's even more of a job. Except NOW you'll have people bragging about their leetness when they shoot off your head with a bow and arrow. And you'll also come across the rare jackass with the hat who you just want to strangle because he taunts you after every kill.
Good times!
Post by: Eviltyphoon on May 24, 2009, 04:09:10 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 24, 2009, 04:11:03 am
brave man.
Post by: Asehujiko on May 24, 2009, 07:33:35 am
After 40 min stalemate we finally breached it with 5 soldiers and 5 kritzkrieg medics. Hoodoo is an improvement over barren wasteland Badwater but it feels too cramped in places.
Post by: Yanlin on May 24, 2009, 09:40:22 am
I played some new maps yesterday and i found that PL_Pipeline should be renamed PL_Passchendaele. At one point, both sides had 4 turrets on the ground with a further 4 dispensers in the dugout, 2 pyros for airblasting any grenades and atleast 1 sniper permanently staring at the overlook window. Charging across the middle was completely impossible even with ubercharges because of the immense knockback power and cloaking a spy through it didn't work either because everybody knew who was supposed to to near the blockade and who wasn't.
After 40 min stalemate we finally breached it with 5 soldiers and 5 kritzkrieg medics.
So basically, good teamwork should be discouraged?
Post by: Greiger on May 24, 2009, 11:21:04 am
Point: Servers are full and it's hard to get into the good ones with more people playing due to both the update and the free weekend. Many of these servers are full of people that think the razorback is supposed to make them completely immune to the spy.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 24, 2009, 11:26:32 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 24, 2009, 11:48:31 am
Course, personal points is what matters most!Not anymore. Personal unlocks are all that matters now.
Post by: Yanlin on May 24, 2009, 12:02:28 pm
Post by: Eviltyphoon on May 24, 2009, 12:50:22 pm
Post by: umiman on May 24, 2009, 01:19:35 pm
Post by: Jreengus on May 24, 2009, 02:11:41 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 24, 2009, 03:52:06 pm
The TF2 forum is also all whine whine whine.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 24, 2009, 05:19:12 pm
Typeity typeity type.
Boo-hoo.
Post by: Ampersand on May 24, 2009, 08:37:20 pm
Post by: umiman on May 24, 2009, 09:23:57 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 24, 2009, 09:27:39 pm
Distance control. If the enemy is not in my killzone, act like they are a sniper.
Sniper avoidance. Move like a madman and don't jump terribly often.
Know when I'm in over my head. Better to leave alive and find a health kit than die in a blaze of glory.
Jarate. Always a good idea.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 24, 2009, 09:30:52 pm
Post by: The Doctor on May 24, 2009, 09:45:39 pm
The sniper rifle never guaranteed a kill on headshot.Yes it did... A fully charged headshot dealt 450 damage.
Post by: umiman on May 25, 2009, 02:35:37 am
He was talking about non-charged headshots.The sniper rifle never guaranteed a kill on headshot.Yes it did... A fully charged headshot dealt 450 damage.
Post by: Ampersand on May 25, 2009, 02:52:28 am
There is a charging system with the Huntsman as well, depending on how long you hold the trigger button. however, holding it too long will make the sniper's arm tired, and hence make the shot wild and inaccurate. Secondly, the right mouse button will ease the arrow back in case you loose your target or take too long. There's a lot of things I like about the Huntsman. It's really feels right when you get a good shot in.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 25, 2009, 12:17:55 pm
Post by: Jreengus on May 25, 2009, 01:40:30 pm
In response to me talking about a fully charged huntsman shot to the head. And no my arm wasn't tired.He was talking about non-charged headshots.The sniper rifle never guaranteed a kill on headshot.Yes it did... A fully charged headshot dealt 450 damage.
Post by: Zai on May 25, 2009, 02:19:27 pm
Yep, I was playing with the huntsman in an arena match, it felt awesome to nail those mid-range shots with it. I even got a pyro stuck to one of the sawblades... To bad that's sort of bugged and the pyro didn't move with the blade, ended up stuck in middle air.
The demo's stickies act the same way. When the saw blade moves, the bomb stays in the same place in midair.
I made a (probably already found?) discovery last night, when I was playing as the Medic. My team had already won, so I went ahead and used the uber. I ran into the saw (on purpose) to see if I would die or not with the uber in effect. I died. So the saw can apparently kill ubered players.
Post by: Asehujiko on May 26, 2009, 02:44:19 am
So basically, good teamwork should be discouraged?
There's a difference between teamwork and requiring half the team to switch class and perform a cheesy suicide move to use against a bunch of people who's only action is taping down mouse1 and aiming at their sentry.
Post by: Jreengus on May 26, 2009, 04:25:36 am
Post by: Yanlin on May 26, 2009, 08:02:12 am
So basically, good teamwork should be discouraged?
There's a difference between teamwork and requiring half the team to switch class and perform a cheesy suicide move to use against a bunch of people who's only action is taping down mouse1 and aiming at their sentry.
You just did the equivalent of calling every successful military strategy "Just shooting people"
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 26, 2009, 10:04:45 am
Post by: Jreengus on May 26, 2009, 10:56:35 am
I'm looking forward to unlocking the huntsman, simply because it gives me an excuse for going up to the front lines and throwing piss at things.Since when did you need an excuse?
Post by: Nilocy on May 26, 2009, 10:57:35 am
Post by: Zai on May 26, 2009, 11:18:08 am
I just had the best run as a sniper so far, 14 points, 14 kills, 10 headshots. I love sniper now.
Using what?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 26, 2009, 11:19:56 am
Well, I mean then I would have a use on the front lines. Then again, I'm getting better at shooting the sniper rifle from the hip.I'm looking forward to unlocking the huntsman, simply because it gives me an excuse for going up to the front lines and throwing piss at things.Since when did you need an excuse?
Post by: ToonyMan on May 26, 2009, 01:30:45 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 26, 2009, 01:43:26 pm
Which means the only fun I get to have with new unlockables is equipping the SMG, changing to the Razorback while holding the SMG, then walking to the ammo cabinet so I become a civilian sniper. And running around and jumping on things on silly low gravity servers.
Post by: Yanlin on May 26, 2009, 01:45:36 pm
Post by: Wiles on May 26, 2009, 01:49:12 pm
Post by: Yanlin on May 26, 2009, 01:51:39 pm
Post by: Wiles on May 26, 2009, 02:06:14 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 26, 2009, 02:11:00 pm
Post by: Asehujiko on May 26, 2009, 02:17:07 pm
I don't get what your analogy is about here, care to explain?So basically, good teamwork should be discouraged?
There's a difference between teamwork and requiring half the team to switch class and perform a cheesy suicide move to use against a bunch of people who's only action is taping down mouse1 and aiming at their sentry.
You just did the equivalent of calling every successful military strategy "Just shooting people"
Post by: Yanlin on May 26, 2009, 02:20:46 pm
You just called it "Just taping down Mouse1 and aiming at their sentry."
Basically it's like calling a proper military strategy, "Just shooting the enemy"
Post by: Sowelu on May 26, 2009, 02:27:28 pm
Because remember, three stickybombs = dead sentry with no chance to repair. A couple of good demos, under decent cover fire, can totally take down a pile of sentries if they can hit it from outside of its range. Heck, you could also take out a good chunk with one spy + one sniper; cloak to someplace around a corner from the sentries, headshot the engie(s), then sap everything you can before the pyros kill you. Sacrifice your spy to remove a couple sentries, then just keep them from rebuilding... Heck, an ubered pyro + spy would probably let you clear the sentries out entirely once you can get inside, just keep the engineers back long enough for the sapping to do its magic.
I see plenty of good strategies here.
Post by: 0x517A5D on May 26, 2009, 02:27:56 pm
The free trial convinced me to buy the game so I went to pick up the orange box but found that the places I went to only sold le version francaise. Merde. :(I bought the english retail version of orange box. Each of the games lets me choose from at least five languages, including english (default) and french.
I strongly suspect that french is just the default language for the french version, and you can switch to english. Probably you will have to download the english language file pack.
Post by: Yanlin on May 26, 2009, 02:30:30 pm
Post by: debvon on May 26, 2009, 08:18:39 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 26, 2009, 08:21:34 pm
This new unlock system is GREAT! I've started a Force-A-Nature collection. My goal is 25
Don't get too excited!
Post by: Zai on May 26, 2009, 09:00:51 pm
This new unlock system is GREAT! I've started a Force-A-Nature collection. My goal is 25
What are you at now? 17?
So far, I've gotten 3 unlocks from the new system, and no duplicates.
Post by: Metalax on May 26, 2009, 09:49:20 pm
Also unlike most taunt kills, the huntsman's does not do enough damage to kill an undamaged heavy. Which was a bit of a shock when he survived and turned around. On the other hand, it is quick unlike most of the other taunt kills which have a fair buildup to the kill.
Post by: umiman on May 26, 2009, 09:54:29 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 26, 2009, 11:17:07 pm
Also, snipers always seem to either turn around as I uncloak or bump into me and have their big knives at the ready before I uncloak.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 26, 2009, 11:26:00 pm
It's hard for us to play together actually. Nilocy invites me some times, but the servers he plays are laggy for me.
Post by: umiman on May 27, 2009, 02:19:10 am
Post by: LASD on May 27, 2009, 04:40:45 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I get killed (and especially backstabbed) a lot by the DFC guys. Though I got back at Scout-Nilocy, headshotting him from mid-air.
In drop news, I have the Dead Ringer, Razorback and a ton of duplicates. However from a milestone point of view, I wouldn't have anything new yet. Then again I haven't played that much as Sniper or Spy because there's really no need.
Overall my number of new unlocks would be pretty much the same with the old system and I'd likely have Cloak and Dagger instead of Dead Ringer, so I'm quite cool with the new system, though I still think earning new weapons is more fun.
P.S. I really want the 'fro!
Post by: Nilocy on May 27, 2009, 06:28:12 am
This was my epic spy photo. Randomly hit the guy cause he was acting suspicious.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: On the topic of laggy servers I play, its because I'm from the UK so I usually go for UK servers, but most american ones work just fine for me. I usually have a cut of of 150 ms ping before i start feeling the lag, so I'm always up for joining americano servers.
So I suggest, we find a server hosting company mid way... say Iceland, and have a donation system in place. I'd be happy to do it so long as others promise to help pay for it aswell, split the costs evenly yah see. Whatcha all think?
Post by: Asehujiko on May 27, 2009, 08:01:29 am
I'm just surprised that you could complain about how unskilled your opponents are when they had two pyros dedicated to airblasting any grenades away (and quite good at it apparently), as well as a sniper who must have been very good to keep you from headshotting those pyros.
Because remember, three stickybombs = dead sentry with no chance to repair. A couple of good demos, under decent cover fire, can totally take down a pile of sentries if they can hit it from outside of its range. Heck, you could also take out a good chunk with one spy + one sniper; cloak to someplace around a corner from the sentries, headshot the engie(s), then sap everything you can before the pyros kill you. Sacrifice your spy to remove a couple sentries, then just keep them from rebuilding... Heck, an ubered pyro + spy would probably let you clear the sentries out entirely once you can get inside, just keep the engineers back long enough for the sapping to do its magic.
I see plenty of good strategies here.
I never complained about the pyros or the sniper, who found an alternative way to play and did that perfectly, just the engineers who didn't move an inch after they were done plopping down their dispensers and sentries. It shouldn't take 10 people stacked to an unusual class setup to get rid of 3 competent players and 4 afk ones.
The entire problem could be fixed by removing the frame above the hill or changing the hill so that it's possible to actualy get some stickies/rockets over there without getting the relevant soldier/demo shredded the moment they appear on the ridge and any shots they got off being blasted back by the pyros. Sniping was impossible because of the fact that the sniper would either need to expose himself on the ridge or through the tiny window which would make him an easy target for the enemy sniper already zoomed in on that point. Getting a spy in didn't work either because of the fact that it was a tiny area with a pair of infinite ammo pyros running around spychecking everyone and no cover nearby to use for cloak recharge. Ubercharging something and having it storm across the ridge merely causes the person to be knocked back across the map because of the simultaneous hits from multiple t3 sentries before any damage is done.
Post by: LASD on May 27, 2009, 01:55:35 pm
They claimed they weren't cheating and considering how surprised they were about the whole thing, I believe them.
Post by: Sowelu on May 27, 2009, 02:05:59 pm
Either a bug, or my best guess is that Steam occasionally catches up with the people it's been neglecting...
Post by: Zai on May 27, 2009, 02:07:27 pm
Post by: alphafalcon on May 27, 2009, 02:25:33 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 27, 2009, 02:29:03 pm
Because it's fun to have stats!
But I don't have control of Steam.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 27, 2009, 02:37:00 pm
Post by: The Doctor on May 27, 2009, 02:38:18 pm
Post by: Jreengus on May 27, 2009, 04:57:01 pm
Post by: Zai on May 27, 2009, 09:54:13 pm
What. The fuck.
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 27, 2009, 10:00:40 pm
Post by: debvon on May 27, 2009, 11:36:36 pm
So I've been on a medic spree all day. Then in the last game some guy who had just joined the server decided to rant about how bad of a medic I was because I had been healing a heavy.
What. The fuck.
I would have done the same thing. Medics are supposed to heal spies and engineers. Heavies have sandwiches to heal THEMSELVES.
yeesh bad medics everywhere
Post by: Yanlin on May 28, 2009, 01:20:24 am
*Bzzrt*
Sorry. Sarcasm overload.
Post by: debvon on May 28, 2009, 02:19:18 am
(Unless it was just one server that did that..)
Post by: umiman on May 28, 2009, 03:05:23 am
For example, in 2fort, I will run around the inside of the front of the enemy's base while the pyros and demos are causing chaos inside. My task is to heal them when they run back to me. It's impossible for me to follow them since I'll die easily but this way, they stand a much better chance of doing what they're supposed to do... run in and out while causing havoc. Unlike a dispenser, I don't stand still in one place either, so spies have a slightly harder time.
In the beginning, teammates occasionally complain about how I don't follow them around but I think they understand after awhile when they realize they don't die so easily with a health source just outside.
I think when I heal a heavy, I become a much too big a target. And they move too slow... I find it so boring.
Post by: LASD on May 28, 2009, 03:58:31 am
Yeh for those who don't know there is a console command item_unlocked which can be used to trick your current server into thinking you just received an item. It doesn't actually do anything except display the unlock message though so it doesn't actually give you the items.In fact, the guys at the receiving end of the bug said they really got the items and I saw them use a variety of the hats they got.
Also, after only some dozen minutes of play yesterday, I got the Ambassador! Though I haven't yet hit anyone with it as the latest patch seems to have pushed my computer's TF2 performance to the wrong side of the line that reads: "Playable" and I've run out of settings to lower. Luckily I've got already half a computer's worth of gift money through the post and the real graduation day isn't until Saturday.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 28, 2009, 06:51:27 am
So alas, I have to learn to wait a bit for the gun to 'cool off' if I ever hope to sniper with it. And now things have gotten better.
I'm also starting to curse spy videos from back when the knife distance was much larger.
Post by: chewd on May 28, 2009, 12:23:45 pm
I used to play TF1 back in the day, but since TF2 is only available through steam (a program that has no place on my computer) i've never had a chance to try it.
Hopefully someday someone will come up with a working hack for steam & i can go back to buying valves games again.
Post by: Sowelu on May 28, 2009, 02:13:09 pm
/flame on
(no, seriously, are you on an obscure OS that doesn't run it or something, because it's great)
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 28, 2009, 04:48:34 pm
What's wrong with Steam?
/flame on
(no, seriously, are you on an non-windows OS or something, because it's great)
I cannot run source engine games for more than a few minutes without my computer overheating lately... It's really infuriating because I do seems to fix it.
Post by: Sowelu on May 28, 2009, 05:10:37 pm
Are all your fans working? Hmm... Is the heatsink secured properly to your CPU? (One time I found out like half a year after getting a computer that the heatsink was on backwards, and was only touching half the CPU)
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 28, 2009, 05:14:48 pm
Post by: Zai on May 29, 2009, 04:16:00 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 29, 2009, 04:33:49 pm
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 29, 2009, 04:40:05 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 29, 2009, 04:41:59 pm
I played for an hour or so the other day. Didn't get a single thing, though a few other folks did. Then my computer overheated.
You should get that checked out.
I mean, yo shod get tat checkd out dog.
Post by: Sowelu on May 29, 2009, 04:47:44 pm
There is some speculation that the rolls are based on time spent online recently. IE, if you've played ALL DAY, your rolls get skewed a bit.
In any case, the 25-minute thing is an absolutely verified thing (lots of timestamps of it happening, right down to the second). And it's based on personal time playing--if you play for 20 minutes, then leave for a few hours and come back to another server, your next roll is in 5 minutes.
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 29, 2009, 05:20:50 pm
I played for an hour or so the other day. Didn't get a single thing, though a few other folks did. Then my computer overheated.
You should get that checked out.
I mean, yo shod get tat checkd out dog.
How?
Post by: ToonyMan on May 29, 2009, 05:22:08 pm
EDIT: Oh, you mean how? I guess you can diagoose it.
Post by: Zai on May 29, 2009, 06:57:09 pm
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Added Sniper/Spy milestone achievements as an additional way players can get the new unlockables
Post by: ToonyMan on May 29, 2009, 06:58:29 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 29, 2009, 07:00:48 pm
I think a lot of people will be happy about this. ;DI'm sooo HAPPIIIIIII!!!QuoteAdded Sniper/Spy milestone achievements as an additional way players can get the new unlockables
I've played for 20 hours recently and didn't get a god damned thing during that time, not even duplicates. Now since I play spy quite often I should already have all the spy items I wanted thanks to the ridiculously easy spy achievements.
EDIT: Oh that's just awesome...I need to get 1 more achievement to get my earned unlocks...None of what I have left are easy. And when I finally DO accomplish it I don't get the achievement because of a cannot connect to steam error. Marvelous.
Post by: Dwarfaholic on May 30, 2009, 03:31:09 am
Unlucky.
Post by: Zai on May 30, 2009, 01:29:47 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 30, 2009, 02:24:36 pm
I for example, normally disguise myself as one of my team, one that's already hurt, then open the ringer and rush in with the team. So they will see just another regular enemy (Note your team mates see you as the class you're disguising as well, if you have it toggled on, they will see another friendly pyro instead of a spy, for example) and will 'kill' the disguised me. Note, the enemy team will think they killed an enemy whateverclass and if you are random with it, they will never know who's the dead ringer spy. So while I'm cloaked, I disguise as one of their team (no smoke with dead ringer as it has no fading off animation your cloak starts full on) while moving behind them... Then the usual spy fun begins. A complex but pretty fun and rewarding way of doing what spies do.
Post by: Greiger on May 30, 2009, 04:54:09 pm
I see quite alot of utility in the cloak & dagger. Since I commonly play pyro as well I know many of the common spycloak recharge spots. Where spies liked to hide out at while their cloak recharged. As you could very rarely get all the way behind enemy lines in one cloak. There was always that short time where you were hiding in a corner waiting for a recharge. If anybody saw a friendly standing there it set off spy alarms all over the place.
Now with the cloak and dagger you can hide very easily. Any corner or wall will work, as you don't have to worry about being visible while you wait for a recharge anymore. Heck, in some wide open spots I don't even find a corner. I just stand in the middle of the room to recharge. Just dodge any fire you see coming and try not to be directly between an ally and an enemy.
For the dead ringer...I see it's uses but I'm not all that impressed. What you mentioned before as using it to get behind enemy lines is the primary use I can see to it. But it does carry some risk to it. If a pyro burns you there's a good chance you'll still end up on fire when it cloaks you, and from what I saw a couple days ago if you get backstabbed by an enemy spy, instead of yer decoy falling to a backstab animation they explode like hit by a rocket. That's a big tipoff if the other spy knows what's what. (At the time I thought it was odd that the pyro exploded, but I didn't put 2 and 2 together right away and regretted it.)
Ambassador seems to just be a different revolver. Better for one shot at a time things instead of trying to fill the air with bullets. Excellent on oblivious razorback snipers.
I managed to get all 3 milestones for sniper as well. I love the huntsman. I'm a horrible shot at long range. But I can twitch shot at medium and short range pretty well. So the huntsman fits me well. Even if you are in a long range fight the dropoff is barely noticeable full charge, and is easy to compensate for on weaker shots.
I dislike the razorback. Mostly just from experience as a spy. Its way too easy to just ignore completely and still get off a kill. So the speed reduction seems to steep for me.
Jarate I like, but I haven't determined if I like it enough to get rid of my SMG. The mini crits are helpful, as is the ability to put out fires on myself and teammates, but it means I have to rely on my khukri at short range. As the bow is just too slow for a prolonged fight at that range. Miss the first shot and yer screwed without a backup weapon.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 30, 2009, 07:55:43 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 30, 2009, 09:26:18 pm
I also seem to get more headshots at long range with the huntsman than the rifle overall oddly. I think that dropoff can actually be an advantage sometimes. Dropping the arrow onto the target's head instead of having to hit it straight on might actually increase yer headshot chances, though it could just be my imagination..
Post by: Soulwynd on May 30, 2009, 11:05:12 pm
Post by: Yanlin on May 31, 2009, 02:14:19 am
You know how the default bow aim is a ( . )? You put the target inside that area if he's still. You predict ahead if he's not. Nothing so hard about it.
Yeah... You know... Except for the whole part where you have to calculate exact physics with no depth perception... Quite hard.
Post by: debvon on May 31, 2009, 04:22:24 am
You know how the default bow aim is a ( . )? You put the target inside that area if he's still. You predict ahead if he's not. Nothing so hard about it.
Yeah... You know... Except for the whole part where you have to calculate exact physics with no depth perception... Quite hard.
The Huntsman does have a bit of a learning curve! But I guess once you use something enough you'll just get a feel for it; now I certainly haven't learned to use this thing yet myself, but I can see it being really handy in the inventory of a skilled 'hunter'. I'm sure they'll put out a few updates for it as well.
Post by: Jreengus on May 31, 2009, 05:24:28 am
I'm praying they will do 3 things:You know how the default bow aim is a ( . )? You put the target inside that area if he's still. You predict ahead if he's not. Nothing so hard about it.
Yeah... You know... Except for the whole part where you have to calculate exact physics with no depth perception... Quite hard.
The Huntsman does have a bit of a learning curve! But I guess once you use something enough you'll just get a feel for it; now I certainly haven't learned to use this thing yet myself, but I can see it being really handy in the inventory of a skilled 'hunter'. I'm sure they'll put out a few updates for it as well.
1. Remove the stupid aim screwing up, it's pointless and annoying
2. Make fire arrows stay even if you stop holding the arrow drawn.
3. Make fire arrows give the pyro an assist, that way they will be more likely to give you a fire arrow.
Post by: Yanlin on May 31, 2009, 09:02:48 am
I'm praying they will do 3 things:You know how the default bow aim is a ( . )? You put the target inside that area if he's still. You predict ahead if he's not. Nothing so hard about it.
Yeah... You know... Except for the whole part where you have to calculate exact physics with no depth perception... Quite hard.
The Huntsman does have a bit of a learning curve! But I guess once you use something enough you'll just get a feel for it; now I certainly haven't learned to use this thing yet myself, but I can see it being really handy in the inventory of a skilled 'hunter'. I'm sure they'll put out a few updates for it as well.
1. Remove the stupid aim screwing up, it's pointless and annoying
2. Make fire arrows stay even if you stop holding the arrow drawn.
3. Make fire arrows give the pyro an assist, that way they will be more likely to give you a fire arrow.
I agree entirely. I was literally running after some pyro BEGGING him to light it on fire and he said "no it dosn't giv points"
So yeah...
Post by: kg333 on May 31, 2009, 10:50:17 am
I'm praying they will do 3 things:You know how the default bow aim is a ( . )? You put the target inside that area if he's still. You predict ahead if he's not. Nothing so hard about it.
Yeah... You know... Except for the whole part where you have to calculate exact physics with no depth perception... Quite hard.
The Huntsman does have a bit of a learning curve! But I guess once you use something enough you'll just get a feel for it; now I certainly haven't learned to use this thing yet myself, but I can see it being really handy in the inventory of a skilled 'hunter'. I'm sure they'll put out a few updates for it as well.
1. Remove the stupid aim screwing up, it's pointless and annoying
2. Make fire arrows stay even if you stop holding the arrow drawn.
3. Make fire arrows give the pyro an assist, that way they will be more likely to give you a fire arrow.
I agree entirely. I was literally running after some pyro BEGGING him to light it on fire and he said "no it dosn't giv points"
So yeah...
A pyro that doesn't want to light things on fire? What's wrong with him? I light everything that'll burn... ;D
KG
Post by: Yanlin on May 31, 2009, 12:46:17 pm
He proceeded to YELL AT ME. Saying it makes the arrow inaccurate or something.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 31, 2009, 12:57:34 pm
Post by: Yanlin on May 31, 2009, 01:22:48 pm
I yell that whenever I start spraying needles.
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 31, 2009, 01:27:22 pm
I'm praying they will do 3 things:You know how the default bow aim is a ( . )? You put the target inside that area if he's still. You predict ahead if he's not. Nothing so hard about it.
Yeah... You know... Except for the whole part where you have to calculate exact physics with no depth perception... Quite hard.
The Huntsman does have a bit of a learning curve! But I guess once you use something enough you'll just get a feel for it; now I certainly haven't learned to use this thing yet myself, but I can see it being really handy in the inventory of a skilled 'hunter'. I'm sure they'll put out a few updates for it as well.
1. Remove the stupid aim screwing up, it's pointless and annoying
2. Make fire arrows stay even if you stop holding the arrow drawn.
3. Make fire arrows give the pyro an assist, that way they will be more likely to give you a fire arrow.
I agree entirely. I was literally running after some pyro BEGGING him to light it on fire and he said "no it dosn't giv points"
So yeah...
Wow, what a fucktard.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 31, 2009, 01:28:19 pm
Post by: Yanlin on May 31, 2009, 01:33:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 31, 2009, 01:41:40 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 31, 2009, 01:44:07 pm
No, what makes it hard is people doing random movements. If you don't have a depth of perception based on things sizes you have something wrong going on in your brain. Anyone gets used to that in FPS games.You know how the default bow aim is a ( . )? You put the target inside that area if he's still. You predict ahead if he's not. Nothing so hard about it.
Yeah... You know... Except for the whole part where you have to calculate exact physics with no depth perception... Quite hard.
Post by: Zai on May 31, 2009, 02:05:26 pm
I wish more people took TF2 less seriously. Doing what Yanlin just said would cause the EARTH TO BURST INTO FLAMES.
We actually pretty much did that in an Arena game a few days ago. Both sides went all medic for the most part (there were a few losers who didn't) and epic hilarity ensued.
Post by: debvon on May 31, 2009, 02:21:38 pm
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For example, see above; that would be a headshot if the (+) was a head. Otherwise it'll wizz right past. Or am I doing something wrong? I even tested it on the little target in the resupply room.
Post by: Yanlin on May 31, 2009, 02:30:17 pm
No, what makes it hard is people doing random movements. If you don't have a depth of perception based on things sizes you have something wrong going on in your brain. Anyone gets used to that in FPS games.You know how the default bow aim is a ( . )? You put the target inside that area if he's still. You predict ahead if he's not. Nothing so hard about it.
Yeah... You know... Except for the whole part where you have to calculate exact physics with no depth perception... Quite hard.
Nice of you to imply I am stupid instead of understanding what the hell I'm talking about.
You get used to it sure. But you can't just come in there and be awesome with it right off the bat.
Sure, depth perception is possible through the movement of objects and the use of two different points of view-- the way our eyes do it...
But it's quite hard when your eyes are still looking at a 2D picture and can't make the calculation. They have to rely on practice practice practice.
I could go on and describe the exact process, but I'm sure you don't want to hear that.
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 31, 2009, 02:33:31 pm
No, what makes it hard is people doing random movements. If you don't have a depth of perception based on things sizes you have something wrong going on in your brain. Anyone gets used to that in FPS games.You know how the default bow aim is a ( . )? You put the target inside that area if he's still. You predict ahead if he's not. Nothing so hard about it.
Yeah... You know... Except for the whole part where you have to calculate exact physics with no depth perception... Quite hard.
Nice of you to imply I am stupid instead of understanding what the hell I'm talking about.
You get used to it sure. But you can't just come in there and be awesome with it right off the bat.
Sure, depth perception is possible through the movement of objects and the use of two different points of view-- the way our eyes do it...
But it's quite hard when your eyes are still looking at a 2D picture and can't make the calculation. They have to rely on practice practice practice.
I could go on and describe the exact process, but I'm sure you don't want to hear that.
So you're just complaining that you can't totally annihilate everyone without any effort?
Post by: Metalax on May 31, 2009, 02:33:45 pm
Yeah I'm going to complain about the wonky aiming of the Huntsman here.. I've noticed that you have to aim slightly diagonal for your arrow to hit where you want it at medium range.
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For example, see above; that would be a headshot if the (+) was a head. Otherwise it'll wizz right past. Or am I doing something wrong? I even tested it on the little target in the resupply room.
Yeah I think thats a result of the fact that the arrow is released from where it appears on the model rather than from the center. At long range the difference is negligible but at short range what looks like a good shot will put you off to one side.
Post by: Yanlin on May 31, 2009, 02:54:55 pm
No, what makes it hard is people doing random movements. If you don't have a depth of perception based on things sizes you have something wrong going on in your brain. Anyone gets used to that in FPS games.You know how the default bow aim is a ( . )? You put the target inside that area if he's still. You predict ahead if he's not. Nothing so hard about it.
Yeah... You know... Except for the whole part where you have to calculate exact physics with no depth perception... Quite hard.
Nice of you to imply I am stupid instead of understanding what the hell I'm talking about.
You get used to it sure. But you can't just come in there and be awesome with it right off the bat.
Sure, depth perception is possible through the movement of objects and the use of two different points of view-- the way our eyes do it...
But it's quite hard when your eyes are still looking at a 2D picture and can't make the calculation. They have to rely on practice practice practice.
I could go on and describe the exact process, but I'm sure you don't want to hear that.
So you're just complaining that you can't totally annihilate everyone without any effort?
Quit context mining me. I said it's not as easy as Soulwynd claims it to be in his ever so smug and insulting posting ways.
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 31, 2009, 03:01:06 pm
Quit context mining me.
Where's the fun in that?
It really does sound like you're complaining because you need to practice to get good at it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 31, 2009, 03:27:59 pm
Post by: Yanlin on May 31, 2009, 03:28:59 pm
Quit context mining me.
Where's the fun in that?
It really does sound like you're complaining because you need to practice to get good at it.
No. Not really. I'm not complaining about how you need to practice to use it. That's good. But Soulwynd was saying it like I'm supposed to be able to do it right off the bat by just doing some "simple" calculations in my head.
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on May 31, 2009, 03:34:58 pm
Quit context mining me.
Where's the fun in that?
It really does sound like you're complaining because you need to practice to get good at it.
No. Not really. I'm not complaining about how you need to practice to use it. That's good. But Soulwynd was saying it like I'm supposed to be able to do it right off the bat by just doing some "simple" calculations in my head.
Well any experience FPS gamer should be able to get the hang of it in not too long a while, usually. I mean, it's just normal isn't it?
Post by: Yanlin on May 31, 2009, 03:44:14 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 31, 2009, 03:44:41 pm
For me there's a sweet spot between medium to long range where I can nail arrows pretty well, I have more problem with short range because of how any little movement means a total miss.
Yeah I'm going to complain about the wonky aiming of the Huntsman here.. I've noticed that you have to aim slightly diagonal for your arrow to hit where you want it at medium range.That only causes real problems at short ranges and covers. If you're taking cover by a wall, you might hit the wall even tho your aim is off the wall.
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For example, see above; that would be a headshot if the (+) was a head. Otherwise it'll wizz right past. Or am I doing something wrong? I even tested it on the little target in the resupply room.
Nice of you to imply I am stupid instead of understanding what the hell I'm talking about.Oh please, any halfassed school teaches about that and there's always the internetz if anyone doesn't understand that.
I'm implying there's something wrong if you can't guesstimate based on known objects' size and speed alone. Not that you are stupid, just that there's something wrong if you can't do that. You can still catch a ball with one eye closed after some practice.
I never said you start good right off the bat, I said it wasn't hard to get good at it and what made it hard was people randomly moving around. Not even all the mega-five-eyed-triple-breasted beast's awesome powers of depth perception will foresee where to shoot an slow projectile if your target is making weird random movements.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 31, 2009, 04:12:36 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 31, 2009, 05:13:57 pm
I mean, this truly is what hard means in games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlAmFPL6xgc). Just like hitting a headshot with the huntsman while the target is jumping.<_<==>_>
If your gonna do it,do it right...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2et3cKlSSk
Post by: Ampersand on May 31, 2009, 11:42:11 pm
Post by: Yanlin on June 01, 2009, 06:50:39 am
Post by: Greiger on June 01, 2009, 10:56:52 am
But yea, at short range you need to adjust for that, not particularly difficult once you get the hang of it, but tricky when you pick up the weapon for the first time. I was playing sniper duel with a friend on an empty server for the lols. And he made some pretty impressive blind shots using that feature, knowing more or less where my last shot came from and blind firing from around a corner. It was fairly effective, though not sure how effective it would be in a serious match.
As for the depth perception thing, yea it takes some time to get the hang of I imagine (I have had one eye that I can't see much more than blurry colors out of most of my life so maybe I'm just used to it) but once you get the handle for the common sniping distances it's not particularly hard. I mean the distances between the 2 2Fort sniper decks isn't really gunna change. Same with Mach4, Goldrush sniper decks to common snipe victim points, stuff like that.
Huntsman is a new weapon, it will take some time to master. It also requires a diffrent playstyle. Trying to countersnipe a rifle sniper with a huntsman sniper likely is going to end badly for the huntsman sniper. But the huntsman sniper would do better than the rifle one in closer range. Its all about how you play. Can't we all just get along?
Post by: Zai on June 03, 2009, 11:47:56 am
Last night I was on a server with Ampersand on the opposing team. After a while, he made a joke about my in-game name (Mantis Shrimp (see the Amazing Nature topic in General Discussion)) and then left.
Post by: Ampersand on June 03, 2009, 12:53:36 pm
...
I had to leave because I had to pick up my car.
Post by: Metalax on June 09, 2009, 08:36:33 am
208.43.4.58:27015
Post by: Old-Man-Gator on June 09, 2009, 05:57:37 pm
Don't need a server for that.
You know you are a pyro when you can run down a pipe in 2Fort with a couple of soldiers lobbing rockets at you and not die. On the flip side, sometimes I dodge into a Huntsman shot intended for other people.
Mind you, I don't consider myself to be a good pyro.
Post by: Ampersand on June 09, 2009, 06:28:50 pm
I wanted to put "Big Brother Cancels Watch you: Interrupted by Magma", but I ran out of space
Post by: umiman on June 09, 2009, 06:59:08 pm
However, I have not died to a single huntsman as a pyro. I'm very good at dodging those, hehehe.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 09, 2009, 07:25:46 pm
Pyro skillFor rocket dodge-ball, yes you do.
Don't need a server for that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1XDF6rhUYQ
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 09, 2009, 08:44:37 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 09, 2009, 10:32:07 pm
The secret with the airblast is to aim where you want the projectile to go, while keeping it in a 100ish degree cone in front of you... So if you want to get a soldier, you aim at him as if you were a soldier shooting and blast as soon as the rocket reaches the regular flamer's range, which is the same range of the compression blast.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 10, 2009, 12:02:25 pm
who needs a fancy weapon? ill send my ambassadorial consort to take care of you, or, would you prefer some alone time with your new back-located rectum?
Post by: Jreengus on June 10, 2009, 12:10:10 pm
none of this is very useful if you are unfortunate enough to face me.Sasha has seduced many ambassadors, but she is a beefy girl, only lumps of shattered bone and flesh leave her bed!
who needs a fancy weapon? ill send my ambassadorial consort to take care of you, or, would you prefer some alone time with your new back-located rectum?
Post by: The Doctor on June 10, 2009, 12:13:38 pm
<_<
KA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 10, 2009, 01:00:42 pm
GODDAM LAG!
And I know it is. Getting headshotted by an ambassador from around a corner? Being sniped and seeing the killcam guy a good ten seconds of sniper walking away? Scout suddenly behind me despite the only entrance being before me and having already scanned the room for anybody hiding? Somebody running across my flamethrower and not getting ignited?
And my connection is pretty decent. It is just Team Fortress 2 being developed to make lag very invisible. No ugly graphical errors of people being jittery much, not much a problem with projectiles missing.
Although from all my failures, I am willing to call BS on compression blast having the same range as the flamethrower. Still, this requires more hours of playtime with the pyro to make sure. Lately I have been getting some success with scout.
And a quick question: Field of Vision settings and mouse sensibility settings. What are they for you guys? I've been trying to adapt to a rather high setting as people always brag about, but I always overaim things.
Post by: The Doctor on June 10, 2009, 01:17:34 pm
Mouse settings are like... 10.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 10, 2009, 01:20:32 pm
and, yes the lag is terribly, terribly annoying.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 10, 2009, 01:22:14 pm
Note that rockets/arrows/nades/fire travel as a separate entity that is controlled by the server, so there's no lerp going around for them.
Also, the death scene takes what? 1 second to pop up? You can take cover in that little time. And the trick is the quick back and forth motion to shots, you want to pop out for as little as possible, shot while moving back.
Scouts also can get around you because they tend to jump over you. Spies do crouch jump over the enemies quite often too.
As for flamethrower, each lil fire sprite travels forward, so if you're not targeting ahead of your enemy's movement, you wont burn them.
I use the FoV at max, but I didn't mess with the mouse sensitivity as the Logitech G5 has 3 speed settings which I switch depending on what I'm doing. I hear a lot of people bind keys to change the sensitivity as well, specially for sniping.
Post by: Nilocy on June 19, 2009, 09:41:35 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: WorkerDrone on June 19, 2009, 09:47:43 pm
Post by: umiman on June 19, 2009, 09:49:50 pm
Workerdrone: Your team was a bit strange though. On one hand, there were some really, really skilled players and on the other there were a lot of not-so-good players. Also, way too many scouts. :/
Post by: WorkerDrone on June 19, 2009, 09:57:19 pm
Usually, I'll keep it between a few classes, namely, the Heavy, the Pyro, and the Sniper. None have been working exceptionally well for me, so I decided to spy a bit. It doesn't always work if the team is twitchy enough, or is flooded with spy checkers, but I've had alot of luck stabbin' and stabbin'.
Gotta play more often. Getting awful rusty to be done in by you. At least I got to kill Nilocy before you two disconnected.
Post by: Ampersand on June 19, 2009, 10:22:45 pm
Post by: umiman on June 19, 2009, 10:43:26 pm
Gotta play more often. Getting awful rusty to be done in by you. At least I got to kill Nilocy before you two disconnected.:'(
I play every class, usually just trying to fill a void or accomplish an objective that my previous class can't do. My main is the pyro however, as he's a man after my own heart. I've also stopped using the backburner because the advantages of airblast are just too awesome once you've mastered it.
I used to be afraid of soldiers, now... it's like free ammo. The only problem is that enemy pyros with backburners will usually kick my ass.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 19, 2009, 10:57:37 pm
spy
demo
scout
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 19, 2009, 11:17:04 pm
And note while the deahcam takes a second to pop up, the guy was a good five seconds away by the time the cam popped up. I know the range one can run before the cam gets them, after dieing to every class many, many times. Thus why that specific situation stood out and was more aggravating.
And while I know people can sneak rather luckily, there are just many situations where a class is just not fast enough to reach a destination.
As for flamethrower, I doubt a spy can run across the nozzle of the flamethrower and not get ignited.
I myself have FOV at max, and mouse sensitivity around 8. I'm still wondering how those demoman skill map players can play at sensitivity 15. Also, despite my mouse having two extra buttons the software for it does not allow for such changing of sensitivity. Damn you, RX3000!
Post by: Soulwynd on June 20, 2009, 09:27:18 pm
That heavy seems to sad.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I aimed for the head, scout jumped, became modern art.
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Post by: Roundabout Lout on June 20, 2009, 10:32:21 pm
A friendly pyro can set the arrows on fire for you. :)
Post by: Soulwynd on June 20, 2009, 10:55:13 pm
Fun fact about the huntsman:We knew that from day one. I believe it can be ignited in the air as well. since I've launched regular arrows that became fire arrows.
A friendly pyro can set the arrows on fire for you. :)
You can also let the pyro ignite then without releasing the arrow in any way, change to another weapon, when you come back to the huntsman, your arrow will be lit.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 20, 2009, 10:56:50 pm
Awesome.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 21, 2009, 12:01:01 am
So supposedly, you just stick the flaming arrow in your quiver?It's a bug... If you draw the jarate, there will be a small flame next to the bottle.
Awesome.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 21, 2009, 12:07:51 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 21, 2009, 12:13:34 am
Post by: Soulwynd on June 21, 2009, 02:02:03 am
Post by: Dwarfaholic on June 21, 2009, 08:25:46 am
Post by: Ampersand on June 21, 2009, 08:26:57 am
Post by: Dwarfaholic on June 21, 2009, 08:35:10 am
If I wanted to play on the same server as you guys, what server should I play on?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 21, 2009, 08:41:43 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 21, 2009, 09:00:52 am
Post by: Jakkarra on June 21, 2009, 09:07:54 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 21, 2009, 09:12:31 am
Just cracking a joke on the uselessness of crit jars.I dare you to start laughing when the group your running with gets pissed on and then mowed down by a single heavy who's getting a damage boost.
Post by: Jreengus on June 21, 2009, 09:58:41 am
they arent as useless as the Razorback though.Razorback isn't totally useless, use it when you are sniping from near a sentry and spies wont be able to do the backstab then quick cloak like they normally do for snipers near sentrys and they also won't be able to do the headshots like they normally do for the razorback.
Post by: Greiger on June 21, 2009, 10:25:20 am
Every time our team pushed the cart some spy would come by and backstab most of the guys pushing. So I put on my razorback next time and when I helped push the cart I heard my razorback break and the whole team turned around and blew the spy away before the spy even realized what happened.
Other than that though I prefer the SMG or jarate to the razorback really. I play sniper too mobile to easily get backstabbed anyway. The speed debuff doesn't help.
Post by: Nilocy on June 21, 2009, 10:54:33 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 21, 2009, 11:20:13 am
Note I'm not saying anything wrong of jarate. I love the stuff. However, the criticals don't do anything. Thus the critical is useless. It's like having a critical sapper that drains at the same rate as a normal one. Or critical laying down an engineering building.Just cracking a joke on the uselessness of crit jars.I dare you to start laughing when the group your running with gets pissed on and then mowed down by a single heavy who's getting a damage boost.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 21, 2009, 11:30:47 am
Floor--->Jakkarra (sentry)
*crit*
Post by: The Doctor on June 21, 2009, 11:59:58 am
Post by: Soulwynd on June 21, 2009, 01:41:39 pm
Doesn't a crit jar give Crits instead of Mini-Crits?I have yet to figure that out. But I have noticed the crit jars cover a larger area with piss.
Post by: LASD on June 21, 2009, 03:57:58 pm
Okay, I'll remodel that question.If I'm not completely mistaken, having the Dwarf Fortress Community as your primary group makes you able to see the ones playing in the "Friends" tab of the server list.
If I wanted to play on the same server as you guys, what server should I play on?
In other news, I have a screen of Umi too:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, comparing this screenshot to the one I posted earlier in the thread reveals that I've finally got the new computer I mentioned a long time ago. I have to say it makes playing a lot easier as my framerate went from absolutely appalling to pretty damn good (as did the graphics, but that doesn't help in playing, it's just nice). Now I can play the Scout well enough to dominate Nilocy, like happened in the above Arena match. :P Though I still fail at Scout vs. Scout.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 21, 2009, 04:25:47 pm
if thats OK with you guys that is?
Post by: ToonyMan on June 21, 2009, 04:26:54 pm
Post by: Nilocy on June 21, 2009, 04:39:34 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 21, 2009, 06:50:37 pm
I'm considering ditching my ambassador because I can't get headshots worth a damn.
In other news,finally got the deadringer and I love it.
I'll also admit to invisi-taunting...
Post by: ToonyMan on June 21, 2009, 06:58:03 pm
Intergrated Graphics Cards FTW!!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 21, 2009, 08:30:40 pm
Lower the DirectX level to 8, it boosted my FPS by double!*A shudder one reserves for sights of gore, extreme disgust and seeing old people getting it on*
Intergrated Graphics Cards FTW!!
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 22, 2009, 05:53:47 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 22, 2009, 09:08:21 am
Razorback isn't totally uselessWronguse it when you are sniping from near a sentry and spies wont be able to do the backstab then quick cloak like they normally do for snipers near sentrys and they also won't be able to do the headshots like they normally do for the razorback.Sap and headshot.
Post by: Cheeetar on June 22, 2009, 09:09:56 am
Post by: ToonyMan on June 22, 2009, 10:13:12 am
I'd possibly consider it so long as it doesn't mess with the facial animations.
It makes TF2 look like clay. The only graphic bug is the intel suitcase, which makes it black. Everything else though looks FINE. Even better then DirectX 9 I say.
Post by: Jreengus on June 22, 2009, 11:47:38 am
If they do that then they are either some kind of uber-leet spy or both you and the engineer suck balls.Razorback isn't totally uselessWronguse it when you are sniping from near a sentry and spies wont be able to do the backstab then quick cloak like they normally do for snipers near sentrys and they also won't be able to do the headshots like they normally do for the razorback.Sap and headshot.
As an engineer any spy who tries to get a sapper on my buildings is dead, normally before they even get the sapper on there. They definitely wouldn't have time to get a sapper on then line up a head shot.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 22, 2009, 11:51:57 am
BLASPHEMY isn't totally BLASPHEMYBLASPHEMY?HULK SMASH!!BLASHMEY!BLASHMEY? or BLASPHEMY?
Post by: WorkerDrone on June 22, 2009, 12:51:57 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 22, 2009, 12:54:35 pm
Post by: Sowelu on June 22, 2009, 02:29:21 pm
What? It doesn't exist?
Go there anyway! :P
Post by: ToonyMan on June 22, 2009, 02:31:13 pm
No! Go back to VN.
What? It doesn't exist?
Go there anyway! :P
That's a little off-topic Sowelu, get back to TF2 shall we?
Has anybody gotten a hat yet? I've got squat.
Post by: Sowelu on June 22, 2009, 02:32:13 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 22, 2009, 02:32:51 pm
Post by: Sowelu on June 22, 2009, 02:36:33 pm
Post by: Nilocy on June 22, 2009, 05:22:04 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 23, 2009, 03:14:10 am
I got the football helmet. I've played maybe eight hours since all the new stuff happened.8 hours?!?!?!??!?!
I hate you.
I still only have weapons despite playing it almost obsessively.
Post by: LASD on June 23, 2009, 05:30:20 am
Now come play, like I'm just going to.
Post by: Dwarfaholic on June 23, 2009, 06:38:10 am
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2009, 08:40:59 am
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2009, 09:09:13 am
Post by: WorkerDrone on June 23, 2009, 09:18:11 am
I head shotted ShadowDump, twice if you count the dead ringing, but once if not. That alone was good enough for me.
T'was quite fun, seeing as how I started playing in the wee hours, and there was just four people at first. That kinda grew into a real big fight.
A fight which of course had to get stopped so Nil could hand out slots and admin stuff.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2009, 09:28:13 am
Post by: WorkerDrone on June 23, 2009, 09:33:25 am
For example. If we're in tight quarters and I've been in a struggle against the other team for maybe fifteen minutes, I'll go Heavy, do a round a bend, and end up blind siding them, usually alone, and taking out a bunch, but that hasn't happened in a while. Like I said. Spur of the Moment.
Or with other times, I'll use the Pyro as a Kamikaze attack by himself. In a battle that's basically been JUST a fire fight from afar for five minutes, nobody expects a Pyro to charge in and flank their snipers, or get lucky and take out their annoying soldier rocket spammer. I always die in these attacks, sometimes without getting a kill, but I always put the fucking fear of god into them when I do it. These are usually for large contested servers.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2009, 09:39:26 am
Post by: Jakkarra on June 23, 2009, 09:40:48 am
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2009, 09:42:49 am
i am going to have to play with you guys later today, Using the Mic is accepted, yes?
NO! MICS ARE BANNNNEDDD!!!! BASASJKLADAKDJLK.
Sure, heh.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 23, 2009, 09:46:44 am
apparantly i also have a really annoying voice, please tell me if it is, or if my mike is too loud.
Kthnxbai
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 23, 2009, 10:18:33 am
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2009, 10:21:07 am
Deadringer tauntkilled someone a few moments ago. Was soooo worth it.
The dead ringer has a taunt-kill?
Post by: Jakkarra on June 23, 2009, 10:22:59 am
OR
he began the tauntkill, got "killed" himself, and someone stepped in front of him while the animation was still going, while invisibles.
Post by: Dwarfaholic on June 23, 2009, 10:50:58 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 23, 2009, 10:57:51 am
he began the tauntkill, got "killed" himself, and someone stepped in front of him while the animation was still going, while invisibles.Bingo.
I also have done it(to shockingly more success) with the cloak & dagger. Just taunt and IMMEDIATELY cloak. You can do it again and again as well without going visible for more than half a second between taunts.
Only problem is people bumping into you will reveal you slightly as opposed to the deadringer,which is perfect invisibility,even when on fire.
Hell,deadringer makes you invulnerable so long as you are cloaked from what I've experienced.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 23, 2009, 11:04:33 am
Post by: Jakkarra on June 23, 2009, 11:05:16 am
Post by: Metalax on June 23, 2009, 11:11:13 am
Just spent an hour or so checking out the server. Very nice pings for me, but a couple of connections lost when workerdrone was changing the gravity. Not sure what the problem was as the last couple of times had no problem.
Can we get a list of the map rotation? Server is currently showing the default intro message and I know there are other maps being used.
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deadringer,which is perfect invisibility,even when on fire.
Not true. As long as a pyro gets a second flame hit in after the deadringer goes off you will be visible.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 27, 2009, 04:29:05 am
Post by: umiman on June 27, 2009, 05:01:41 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 27, 2009, 05:03:14 am
Just bought the game to see what all the fuss is about.
What do I do?
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 27, 2009, 05:06:37 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 27, 2009, 05:16:29 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 27, 2009, 05:20:12 am
e: Never mind, got it.
Post by: shadow_archmagi on June 27, 2009, 07:04:12 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 27, 2009, 08:21:48 am
That was fun. Although the word n00b can still be safely applied, figuring out the basic controls took only an hour. By the time my internet started to drop every five minutes I was actually killing people I meant to kill- sweet!
Post by: Soulwynd on June 27, 2009, 01:29:39 pm
Nothing but fire, blocking, and disappearing bullets can reveal you when you're Dead Ringer'd. Also, when you activate it, it extinguishes any fire currently on you.Using the spy's disguise right after being DRed will show the smoke now... So yeah, -wait- or go out of sight before disguising again.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 28, 2009, 06:04:00 am
Wait, really? I don't think so....Nothing but fire, blocking, and disappearing bullets can reveal you when you're Dead Ringer'd. Also, when you activate it, it extinguishes any fire currently on you.Using the spy's disguise right after being DRed will show the smoke now... So yeah, -wait- or go out of sight before disguising again.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2009, 11:30:40 am
Yeah, It does. Don't disguise right after being DR killed.Wait, really? I don't think so....Nothing but fire, blocking, and disappearing bullets can reveal you when you're Dead Ringer'd. Also, when you activate it, it extinguishes any fire currently on you.Using the spy's disguise right after being DRed will show the smoke now... So yeah, -wait- or go out of sight before disguising again.
Post by: Zai on June 29, 2009, 01:59:40 pm
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Removed the movement speed penalty on The Razorback
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 29, 2009, 02:00:52 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 29, 2009, 07:14:11 pm
Just got back on Steam for the first time in weeks and this is what I find:It's okay, the damned thing is still useless against anything but Shitspies and Shitspies aren't a real threat anyway.QuoteRemoved the movement speed penalty on The Razorback
Post by: Zai on June 29, 2009, 07:35:12 pm
Post by: umiman on June 29, 2009, 08:53:47 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 29, 2009, 09:10:33 pm
SHAD0W: Was it you who was stabbing me as spy while I was eating sandvich just now? That was hilarious! I wanted to switch to fists, but accidentally clicked when it was sandvich. Then you stood there repeatedly stabbing me while I was eating. Hehehe...It donned on me all too late to circle around and stab you there.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 29, 2009, 10:11:39 pm
Just got back on Steam for the first time in weeks and this is what I find:It's okay, the damned thing is still useless against anything but Shitspies and Shitspies aren't a real threat anyway.QuoteRemoved the movement speed penalty on The Razorback
HAHA FIRST CART PUSHING AREA CLEAR ALL GANG UP AT THE CAR-
*Stabstabstabsta-ZAP*
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 29, 2009, 10:18:22 pm
Post by: The Doctor on June 29, 2009, 10:34:35 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 29, 2009, 10:38:25 pm
Post by: Sowelu on June 29, 2009, 10:54:12 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 29, 2009, 10:56:01 pm
Well, when you're goin in, theres this mass of bodies. All these people on the cart, pushing. You just don't expect a sniper there. Let alone a razorback sniper.I always watch for snipers with razorbacks. They're not the subtlest items.
And it would take the computer of a god to have the framerate good enough near that many bodies to distinguish when the one sniper with a razorback comes around. And even if you saw it, there is little one can do. It's a mass of the enemy team RIGHT THERE. You would get shredded before one headshot.Witness. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220518
And they're almost all facing away. A reversed pyro is the only thing I need to be especially worried about.
Post by: Ampersand on June 29, 2009, 11:18:59 pm
Post by: umiman on June 29, 2009, 11:53:31 pm
Sowelu: Yeah, it's quite horrible. I was playing at 300 ping and it was quite frustrating. Enemies would teleport around the map, I would teleport around the map, graphics glitches everywhere, etc. etc. Still managed to kick some butt though, hehehe.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 30, 2009, 06:08:05 am
What it really comes down to is this: This is TEAM Fortress. You're not fighting enemy, your team is fighting the enemy team. If your team can't keep them facing forward or their team is good enough to have their medics face back (as they should) or their team has a ton of W+M1 pyros or "Look how fast I can spin my mouse" pyros you can't do shit no matter how good of a spah you are.
Post by: Nilocy on June 30, 2009, 07:57:32 am
Post by: Shadowlord on June 30, 2009, 12:31:50 pm
On the other hand, I got the 'Not a crazed gunman, Dad' badge (Kill three enemies while they're achieving an objective) as a sniper by killing three enemies at the cart ... using the kukri.
Post by: umiman on June 30, 2009, 12:54:12 pm
Unless you have a 1v1. Anyhoo, umi yeah that lag was pretty terrible, your usually not that bad are you? Must have been your housemate downloading stuff right?Pretty sure it was, because even my youtube videos were slow, and that never happens unless someone is downloading a crapola of stuff. Regardless, it was a good time.
Post by: Nilocy on July 02, 2009, 07:15:24 am
Fun.
Post by: Greiger on July 02, 2009, 11:24:26 am
For example. I also play a game called Eternal Silence. It's also a hl2 mod
Spoiler: shameless plug (click to show/hide)
Not that I'm complaining or anything, I can get used to a 140ish ping. I am happy with the server and haven't played on my old regular server in ages. I'm sad for the folks stuck with the 200+ pings though, that's kinda rough.
Post by: Puck on July 02, 2009, 05:57:01 pm
I know a certain amount of achievements gets you a random item. Maybe of that class you play with, what do I know...
But what puzzled me... I got a lvl20 ambassador and a lvl5 ambassador. I deleted the lvl5 one, just to see what would happen.
I have no clue whether or not that was a good idea... so could somebody tell me how it works... or can I find that on the tf2 wiki?
edit: alright I looked it up on the tf2 wiki... and still I'm confused... it says its just random based on playtime, but the end of the page still refers to the achievements. Are both systems active at the moment?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 02, 2009, 06:08:30 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on July 02, 2009, 06:56:17 pm
I wouldn't delete items if you have enough room in your inventory thing for them - the developers are planning to add a way to trade items with other players in the future.
The sniper milestone 1 achievement gives you the first special sniper item, sniper milestone 2 gives you the second special sniper item, and sniper milestone 3 gives you the last special sniper item. (I don't know what order they come in) All the classes with special items like these - pyro, scout, medic, heavy, sniper, and spy right now - have these milestone achievements to give you their items. The achievements should tell you how many of the sniper achievements (or whatever class) you need to get that milestone and thus the next item. Note that trying to get them all this way will not be easy.
You do still find items randomly even if you're not playing that class, though. And by 'find' I mean the game just tells you that you found it, you don't have to do anything special. It usually tells you about the item shortly after you die, but I'm guessing that's to avoid popping up a dialog while you're actually playing. :3
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 02, 2009, 07:16:13 pm
(I don't know what order they come in)Huntsman,Jaratte,Razorback.
Note that trying to get them all this way will not be easy.If you getting the sniper or especially the spy,yes,they are easy.
Medic though... ARG.
Post by: Puck on July 02, 2009, 07:41:50 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 02, 2009, 07:43:23 pm
Post by: Nilocy on July 02, 2009, 09:18:14 pm
Post by: Zai on July 02, 2009, 10:08:57 pm
Yup... eventually those updates will come and then you can start getting stuff for those classes as well.
Speaking of which. Has Valve said what update they're doing next? I suspect demoman, then soldier, then engineer last.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 02, 2009, 11:19:51 pm
But I just got my Ubersaw! Did it via the 'First do no Harm' achievement.
Was hard.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 02, 2009, 11:26:29 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 02, 2009, 11:30:17 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 02, 2009, 11:31:21 pm
Post by: Zai on July 02, 2009, 11:32:19 pm
Post by: umiman on July 02, 2009, 11:37:14 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 02, 2009, 11:40:17 pm
Post by: The Doctor on July 03, 2009, 12:14:55 am
Post by: umiman on July 03, 2009, 01:35:33 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 03, 2009, 01:46:04 am
Then again, the TF2 devs have always surprised.
Post by: umiman on July 03, 2009, 02:08:00 am
The soldier doesn't have a worst enemy, so it won't be a weapon to counter that like the tribal shield thing for the sniper. His weakness would be his slow speed, low ammo count, and slow firing speed. Also his lackluster backup weapons. His strengths are his rocketjump and damage potential.
So... I'm guessing he'll get something that takes away his rocketjump and ups his speed.
Post by: Nilocy on July 03, 2009, 07:52:43 am
So... I'm guessing he'll get something that takes away his rocketjump and ups his speed.
A forceless rocket launcher?
Post by: Puck on July 03, 2009, 08:07:30 am
It always feels weird to me he doesnt have a thompson.
Post by: Onlyhestands on July 03, 2009, 10:05:11 am
The rocket launcher- maybe one that reloads/fires faster but has some sort of disadvantage?
Maybe the shovel replacement could somehow protect the soldier against his own rocket blasts?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 03, 2009, 10:36:41 am
Must be done.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 03, 2009, 11:14:09 am
Post by: Puck on July 03, 2009, 11:16:12 am
Anyways.... I think I'ma gonna play TF2 now, mebbe on the DFC server... go easy on me, I'm still full of the reaction time reducing pain meds from my wisdom teeth removal. If you guys have nothing better to do, join me.
Just like sex: the more, the merrier ;D
Post by: Eviltyphoon on July 03, 2009, 01:56:55 pm
Post by: umiman on July 03, 2009, 01:58:01 pm
I just played on an awesome server. You could pick your own class, everything was random. So you would spawn as a random class with random weapons. Gave some fun combos such as flamethrower scout or sniper heavy :DThat sounds so awesome! I want my flamethrower spy!
Post by: Yanlin on July 03, 2009, 02:00:30 pm
Scout with Sasha, Jarate and Wrench.
Post by: Zai on July 03, 2009, 02:32:57 pm
I just played on an awesome server. You could pick your own class, everything was random. So you would spawn as a random class with random weapons. Gave some fun combos such as flamethrower scout or sniper heavy :D
Do you remember what server that was? Sounds fun. =D
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 03, 2009, 04:03:14 pm
Please give us a IP!
Post by: Eviltyphoon on July 04, 2009, 04:33:37 am
Post by: Jreengus on July 04, 2009, 05:53:52 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on July 04, 2009, 06:44:15 am
Soldier really needs some kind of mustard gas launcher, no explosion would leave him without his rocket jump but any enemies entering the area for a second or so take horrible damage.Possibly not very politically correct. But a good idea nonetheless. Not 'Horrible damage' though, an area of effect attack is good enough.
Post by: Puck on July 04, 2009, 07:37:45 am
Possibly not very politically correct.And what about the medic? He's a friggin bundle of political incorrectness.
Nevertheless, area denial weapons are the demomans thing, imho.
Post by: Nilocy on July 04, 2009, 09:26:48 am
Post by: Greiger on July 04, 2009, 11:59:00 am
As in the can opener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener)
My dad is an old army vet so he would always give me them. I kept them on my keychain and they were always really useful for just about anything.
Anyway I imagine the soldier as one of those folks that could kill anybody with anything. And for some reason I get a shudder of terror whenever I imagine him taking one out of his pocket.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 04, 2009, 12:38:12 pm
As in the can opener. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38_can_opener)Hah! Got one of those on my keychain as well.
Haven't used it yet...
Post by: Greiger on July 04, 2009, 10:23:49 pm
I also used it only once as a screwdriver when I was at a friend's house helping with his computer. Until then I had thought that everybody in the world owned at least one screwdriver.
Anyway before I kill the topic. The soldier really needs a good traditional army weapon too. Perhaps that one semi automatic rifle I see in stuff like call of duty all the time. That one with the top loading clip that made a loud ding and popped out when out of ammo. Soldier, along with the sniper seem to be the only classes that can really accomplish anything at range. Perhaps keeping with that general idea, his shotty could be replaced with that rifle, and have a weak zoom.
Upside: Reliable long range damage, without having to "hope that scout keeps moving in a straight line for 2 seconds", faster firing rate than the sniper's rifle, crit on headshot.
Downside:close combat ability significantly reduced, no shot charge, weaker zoom than sniper rifle, no manual reload until clip ammo depleted.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 04, 2009, 11:46:49 pm
1) Overpowered to the max on an auto-firing hitscan weapon
2) Out-of-place. Headshot crit weapons are for the Sniper and the Spy - the "finesse" classes
I totally approve of the Tommy Gun idea though.
Post by: Puck on July 05, 2009, 09:41:14 am
Perhaps keeping with that general idea, his shotty could be replaced with that rifle, and have a weak zoom.Springfield M1 Garand?
Upside: Reliable long range damage, without having to "hope that scout keeps moving in a straight line for 2 seconds", faster firing rate than the sniper's rifle, crit on headshot.
Downside:close combat ability significantly reduced, no shot charge, weaker zoom than sniper rifle, no manual reload until clip ammo depleted.
Just for shits and giggles... you CAN reload that thing before the clip is empty no problem, afaik. And I think in tf2 it should come without zoom, but who cares ;D
Post by: Greiger on July 05, 2009, 11:38:45 am
And with semi automatic I meant that you would still need to push the button to fire but without the delay the sniper's bolt action has. Making it fire a bit faster but not fully automatic like the SMG.
I figured that in reality you could probably reload it (M1 Garand sounds right) but the inability to reload it made it interesting in those games, and I figure it could add some flavor. And since soldiers usually learn to reload regardless of remaining ammo whenever they get the chance it could be an interesting effect on a soldier.
And yes, I also like the tommy gun idea. I would be happy with that too.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 05, 2009, 12:26:23 pm
And with semi automatic I meant that you would still need to push the button to fire but without the delay the sniper's bolt action has. Making it fire a bit faster but not fully automatic like the SMG.
So, like the scout's pistol. People make scripts (which they claim are perfectly legal) to auto-fire that for them. Then they basically hold down the mouse button and it rapid-fires the pistol.
Post by: Greiger on July 05, 2009, 12:56:20 pm
Not to say there aren't legit uses for scripts. And that one smashball mod is at least one game that actually seems to encourage the use of scripts. But if your using things like the rapidfire script on a server where obviously nobody else is using it, with a weapon not intended to be used in that way, and then responding to complaints with "Scripting is pro, l2play." you deserve a magma bath.
Post by: LASD on August 11, 2009, 04:57:24 pm
Valve came out of their thinking chamber with a classless update about 5 minutes ago. Check it out! (http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/)
Also, fun games at the DFC server, I think I'll dig up some epic killcams to post here.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 11, 2009, 04:58:52 pm
Post by: Nilocy on August 11, 2009, 05:20:07 pm
Post by: Ivefan on August 11, 2009, 05:23:18 pm
Post by: LASD on August 11, 2009, 05:37:06 pm
Say hello to WorkerDrone:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
A dying spy called Vlynndar (note the knife):
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Don't die on me! (or something dramatic like that)
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An ordinary Medic from the Randomizer server:
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Epic confrontation in a DFC Melee Arena game:
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And for the encore two pictures of me having failed:
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Post by: Puck on August 11, 2009, 05:58:27 pm
How... useless?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ToonyMan on August 11, 2009, 05:59:33 pm
Post by: umiman on August 11, 2009, 07:23:06 pm
Post by: Zai on August 11, 2009, 07:34:01 pm
Also. Nice pics, LASD.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on August 11, 2009, 08:05:10 pm
Fantastic SPY HAT
however. Oh well.
In other news, I play this game, and I forgot to tell you all.
Post by: The Doctor on August 11, 2009, 08:27:46 pm
I want that ushanka.
:<
Post by: Broose on August 12, 2009, 06:13:38 am
My friend was the spy, and was having trouble getting past the paranoid engineers, so I said this:
"Uh, guys, I heard there is a glitch that could make us lose the game if we have more than one engineer."
Someone believed me, and switched.
Someone said "you fail at griefing broose" about a second before my friend backstabbed him.
Also, a couple days ago, me and two other friends all went medic, and made a triangle of healing. We ran into enemy territory, and started jumping around. The whole team focused on us, and we survived there for around 4 minutes.
Fun stuff.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 12, 2009, 06:43:13 am
I SEE MEDIC DIE!!!
The mind of a TF2 player.
Post by: Jackrabbit on August 12, 2009, 06:46:51 am
Me and a friend of mine just got back from griefing a TF2 server. One of us would be an engineer, and would let the other player (a spy) into his spawn base, (we were playing on cp_orange) to backstab people when they spawn. Some gr9 moments:
I am going to laugh at you whether or not that was intentional.
Post by: Broose on August 12, 2009, 04:34:53 pm
Me and a friend of mine just got back from griefing a TF2 server. One of us would be an engineer, and would let the other player (a spy) into his spawn base, (we were playing on cp_orange) to backstab people when they spawn. Some gr9 moments:
I am going to laugh at you whether or not that was intentional.
It was.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 12, 2009, 04:46:59 pm
Post by: Tilla on August 12, 2009, 04:58:17 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/barbary/
Post by: Nilocy on August 12, 2009, 05:42:31 pm
www.gameservers.com/clanpay/?clanid=87e2b262511f49a7c04876421d5a05da
I'm sorry... but it has to be done
Post by: Jreengus on August 12, 2009, 05:55:48 pm
I like the fireman helmet on the Pyro. Makes sense as a hat for him. Should've been the class's original hat, really.Fixed that for you.
Also. Nice pics, LASD.
Also I like the sound of the new King of the Hill map type.
I'm a bit unsure about the new hats but then again some of the original 9 looked a bit stupid to be so heres hoping they get replaced with better ones.
Post by: Broose on August 12, 2009, 06:35:51 pm
Post by: Zai on August 12, 2009, 07:00:14 pm
I like the fireman helmet on the Pyro. Makes sense as a hat for him. Should've been the class's original hat, really.Fixed that for you.
Also. Nice pics, LASD.
Pyro is female. It's true. It's been said on the official site/steam announcement before. She even has a purse in the little cubby thing in spawn areas.
And yea. KotH. Sort of like a mix between Arena and CP with a bit of timer thrown in. I'm hoping the "converted" Nucleus and Sawmill aren't just the originals with KotH functionality. I'm hoping they're similar but different, like with the Well maps.
Post by: Jreengus on August 12, 2009, 07:04:22 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on August 12, 2009, 07:50:11 pm
Come to think of it, that would make the Pyro one of the only sensibly attired females in any video game...
Post by: Onlyhestands on August 12, 2009, 08:03:13 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q2_sFhBfXc
Post by: Jreengus on August 12, 2009, 08:39:41 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on August 12, 2009, 08:52:14 pm
Why would the pyro be strapping down his breasts? If valve go with the pyro is a girl route then they are selling out to all the nerds who bind pyros forward key to M1 so they can play with one hand and use the other one to jerk off to their sick fantasies of some girl under the suit.Er, what? The main reason would be that it could be more practical to wear a fire retardant suit that way. My guess is that Valve are deliberately leaving it ambiguous, always using singular "they" for the Pyro.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 12, 2009, 08:55:40 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on August 12, 2009, 08:56:16 pm
Post by: umiman on August 12, 2009, 11:43:22 pm
Also, I've been trying to figure out if he says, "get on the point, you maggot" or "get on the point, you faggot"....
Post by: PTTG?? on August 13, 2009, 12:42:16 am
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Budum-kish!
Post by: ToonyMan on August 13, 2009, 06:43:30 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 13, 2009, 11:40:46 am
Post by: Zai on August 13, 2009, 06:13:25 pm
They also changed some things about the Scouts' unlocks. The Sandman's drawback is it reduces Scout's health by 30 instead of disabling double jump.
I'd talk about other new things as well, but I'm too excited about the update.
[EDIT:] ...And of course, I cannot connect to any servers for various reasons right now... Fun...
Post by: Soulwynd on August 13, 2009, 06:42:03 pm
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- Enemies cannot be juggled by the FaN's effect.Motherfuckers.
- Übercharged players can no longer be stunned.
- The negative attribute has changed from "no double jump" to "-30 max health".
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 13, 2009, 07:02:12 pm
Post by: Jreengus on August 13, 2009, 07:23:22 pm
Seriously though? a -30 health scout will not be able to juggle an uber for long, if they can then their enemy deserves to loose.
"Fixed being able to shoot pipebombs over the starting gates in the first round."
Seriously? So we can jump right over in well but we can't have a little fun in pipeline?
"Disguised Spies no longer trigger On-Hit effects (like the Blutsauger's heal)."
So they are baisically saying short of firing two clips worth of ammo into everyone you see no class but the pyro should be able to kill spies? Also on hit effects? Can't they be more specific, surely setting on fire is an on hit effect so are pyros useless against spies now?
Post by: thebmw94 on August 13, 2009, 08:10:44 pm
"Disguised Spies no longer trigger On-Hit effects (like the Blutsauger's heal)."
So they are baisically saying short of firing two clips worth of ammo into everyone you see no class but the pyro should be able to kill spies? Also on hit effects? Can't they be more specific, surely setting on fire is an on hit effect so are pyros useless against spies now?
In this case, On-Hit effects are effects that would indicate that the disguised Spy is an enemy, excluding the Flamethrower. For example, an old trick of mine was to shoot a few Blutsauger shots into a suspected Spy. If I got the +3 health from him (which pops up regardless of health), he was obviously a Spy, and I would quickly smack him with my Ubersaw. Other effects might include Natascha's slowdown effect and the Force-a-Nature's knockback effect, although I can't confirm anything as I haven't played the update yet.
On that note, if you think someone's a Spy, just smack him a bit with a melee weapon. It will take two hits at the worst to kill him, so just close the distance and kill him. Of course, you have to account for him dropping his disguise and just shooting you, in which case you should back off and fire back at him. Even if you don't kill him, he'll leave to recover, meaning you'll be ready for him the next time.
Post by: Soulwynd on August 13, 2009, 08:51:47 pm
lets be honest it was a good thing, medics were damn hard to hit and if you hit a heavy the medic would just grab someone else. Also why shouldn't the fan juggle ubers? Are they planning to remove the pyros airblast juggling ubers too? Hey while were over powering ubers let just make them effect the entire team ... and combine the two different types ... and make them last 9 hours ... and take a second to charge ... and also detonate a nuke.FaN never juggled ubers, but it juggled people just like AB does. As in you could shoot them up and up and up and up and up. You can't do that anymore with FaN, that just kills the only utility it had.
And yeah, the sandman was the only weapon that could do something to ubers other than AB and a decent demo with stickies... A well placed sandman stun, which was hard as fuck to do, could save an ending match. Now they fucked up the sandman and gave it a worse drawback.
So... FaN and Sandman, which were almost never used and generally hated by the playerbase... will never be used again.
Thanks.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 14, 2009, 02:03:19 am
So... FaN and Sandman, which were almost never used and generally hated by the playerbase... will never be used again.I'm still gonna use 'em.
Post by: Cheeetar on August 14, 2009, 02:35:01 am
Post by: LASD on August 14, 2009, 02:36:41 am
So... FaN and Sandman, which were almost never used and generally hated by the playerbase... will never be used again.I have to disagree on that. I think both of them were more or less overpowered and that's why they were hated. Especially the Sandman, lately I even stopped killing people that I stunned because it just felt so cheap. Scoring hits with the sandman is surprisingly easy, so I think the change is for the better, now at 90 health (with double jump) you really need some dodging and stunning skills to have a chance. Though I'm a bit dubious about the 75% damage, I've managed to kill a number of lonely heavies with the 50% stun without breaking a sweat and I think that causes enough raging. At least they'll keep revved up now.
And the FaN, I've never liked it myself and it really was useless for a long time, but since Valve beefed it's damage by 20% some time ago it became a relevant substitute for the scattergun even in competitive play. I don't think the changes make it much less useful as it's still pretty much one-clip-in-a-bit-over-a-second-kill.
The only gripe I have with this update is that I never got the "Big Hurt" achievement in time.
Ramble ramble.
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 14, 2009, 03:13:08 am
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Pistol now fires at a fixed rate, not based on the speed at which you press the firing button.
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Sappers attached to a teleporter automatically place another Sapper on the other end of the teleporter, if it exists.
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Engineers wrenching a teleporter will repair the other end as well, and remove Sappers from both if they exist.
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Everything about Force-a-Nature
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Everything about Sandman
brb RAGE
Post by: Nilocy on August 14, 2009, 05:25:07 am
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Pistol now fires at a fixed rate, not based on the speed at which you press the firing button.I don't mind this too much, it'll stop those damned scripters
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Sappers attached to a teleporter automatically place another Sapper on the other end of the teleporter, if it exists.
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Engineers wrenching a teleporter will repair the other end as well, and remove Sappers from both if they exist.These two just cancled eaceh other out didn't they? ;D
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Everything about Force-a-NatureGood, that thing was way to OP
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Everything about SandmanAnd yeah, this is also good, and lol at the -30 max health, scouts will be even easier to murder now :D
Post by: ToonyMan on August 14, 2009, 06:28:55 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 14, 2009, 06:36:18 am
Oh yum hum. My 120 HP scout that can't jump and can't stop ubers will kick your butt.He can jump twice now. And they are still as lethal as before.
"Oh, hello, I'm sorry, you won't be able to shoot me on account of being behind a wall. I'm sure these FAN rounds will cheer you up."
And I dunno about Ubers. They are kinda necessary to take down some defensive areas. I want them to remain a viable way of making sure no defense is totally and completely foolproof. Not to mention people might stop scout rushing like the bastards they are.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 14, 2009, 06:37:41 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 14, 2009, 06:45:55 am
Post by: Onlyhestands on August 14, 2009, 08:03:58 am
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Pistol now fires at a fixed rate, not based on the speed at which you press the firing button.
YES! No more cheatin scripters.
Post by: umiman on August 14, 2009, 12:05:10 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 14, 2009, 12:13:06 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 14, 2009, 02:08:18 pm
Your gonna cry when you find out how hard it is to destroy teleporters as a spy now.QuoteSappers attached to a teleporter automatically place another Sapper on the other end of the teleporter, if it exists.QuoteEngineers wrenching a teleporter will repair the other end as well, and remove Sappers from both if they exist.These two just cancled eaceh other out didn't they? ;D
Post by: Dr. Johbson on August 15, 2009, 01:59:12 am
Still, the stun ball was not easy to use. One could say that balanced it, but there was wayyy too many stuns outside of their LOS for my taste. Or the five times I saw somebody get hit at spawn from a ball from the other side of the map.
I did that once. Was the most awesome thing I have ever done.
Post by: Zai on August 15, 2009, 12:28:59 pm
So... FaN and Sandman, which were almost never used and generally hated by the playerbase... will never be used again.I have to disagree on that. I think both of them were more or less overpowered and that's why they were hated.
This was my understanding as well.
Another update has been released. They didn't change the fact that in CTF, spies get the critical graphics of their team when their team captures the flag. This makes cloaked and disguised spies quite obvious. I suppose this could have been intentional to "balance" the fact that disguised spies no longer trigger On Hit effects. But LASD, you can indeed still get the Big Hurt achievement, as they changed it to "Stun 2 Medics that are ready to deploy an UberCharge."
But I love the Blu main menu background and the surrender animations. Also, didn't notice this before:
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Added a color blind option to add a Jarate icon above enemies who are busy accepting a terrifying existence where they have no dignity
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 17, 2009, 02:49:05 am
YOU'RE gonna cry when you find out how hard it is to destroy teleporters as a spy now.QuoteSappers attached to a teleporter automatically place another Sapper on the other end of the teleporter, if it exists.QuoteEngineers wrenching a teleporter will repair the other end as well, and remove Sappers from both if they exist.These two just cancled eaceh other out didn't they? ;D
First: YOU ARE = YOU'RE, not YOUR.
Sorry, Grammar Poland just got invaded by Grammar Nazis and Grammar Stalin.
Second: It's not so bad. You just have to sap it and start pewpewing the shit out of it from the side the engie isn't on.
Or sap all his stuff and backstab him like a pro.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 17, 2009, 06:02:47 am
generally, level 3 will still Pwn you.
oh, and ive actually found i LIKE the new sandman! the lost health just means i need to be moar careful, and doublejump is too useful to lose.
oh, and you do moar damage to unconscious guys now. thats always cool.
Post by: Jreengus on August 17, 2009, 08:41:31 am
Post by: ToonyMan on August 17, 2009, 09:12:13 am
awesomesauce.
Post by: Jreengus on August 17, 2009, 10:26:36 am
Post by: Jakkarra on August 17, 2009, 11:20:45 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 17, 2009, 04:33:26 pm
Actually,at one point sappers could be placed while invisible,but that was fixed some time ago.Was that a joke? You can't do anything while invisible other than move and uncloak.
Ack. I thought I read somewhere that sappers could be applied while invisible. Turns out it can be applied without losing a disguise.
Pardon my stupidity and my apparent inability to read properly.
Post by: Zai on August 17, 2009, 04:55:23 pm
KING OF THE HILL ISawesomesauce.
Indeed. Possibly my favorite game mode now. But only when the teams are relatively even. Otherwise, it's no fun. =/
Post by: ToonyMan on August 17, 2009, 05:31:48 pm
KING OF THE HILL ISawesomesauce.
Indeed. Possibly my favorite game mode now. But only when the teams are relatively even. Otherwise, it's no fun. =/
Agreed. Being stomped 3 games in a row is not fun, neither is winning three times in a row. Luckily, there is team scramble! ;D
Post by: Jreengus on August 17, 2009, 08:07:11 pm
I haven't found any hats yet. DxHah! good luck on that, I've even taken to running an idling program and still no hat :(
Post by: Zai on August 17, 2009, 08:16:27 pm
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Fixed the Ubersaw not displaying team colors
I find this kind of funny, as SHAD0Wdump had mentioned this in-game less than an hour ago.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 17, 2009, 08:50:09 pm
also, anyone else getting offers of free games from steam chat?
they are legitemate.
Post by: Jreengus on August 19, 2009, 01:07:07 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on August 19, 2009, 04:45:08 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 19, 2009, 05:15:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Another victory for the blue team!
What I've realized is that in KotH maps either RED TEAM destroys BLU TEAM or visa versa. That's ok and all, but it isn't as fun as having a war to see who can get the last second. Usually one team gets all 3 minutes in one try. Argh.
Post by: Zai on August 19, 2009, 05:23:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Another victory for the blue team!
What I've realized is that in KotH maps either RED TEAM destroys BLU TEAM or visa versa. That's ok and all, but it isn't as fun as having a war to see who can get the last second. Usually one team gets all 3 minutes in one try. Argh.
That's only if the teams aren't evenly matched. Which is actually quite hard to get to happen, so it can seem like complete annihilation is all that ever happens. This is not so, as I've had several games where it was a constant struggle for both teams. KotH requires teamwork.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 19, 2009, 05:40:33 pm
Awesome stuff.
And...........I made that all up. Sounds good, no?
Post by: Cajoes on August 19, 2009, 05:55:08 pm
..That happened to me just last night, in fact.
Painful.
Post by: umiman on August 19, 2009, 06:30:36 pm
Post by: Jreengus on August 19, 2009, 06:32:57 pm
5 ... 4 ... 3 (Red recap) 2 ... 1
The timing was so perfect I didn't even realise the point had changed hands.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 19, 2009, 06:54:08 pm
Wow, they can set up teleprompters now? Must be fun seeing giant tv screens displaying what the guys need to read on the map.
That was the funny.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 19, 2009, 07:27:33 pm
i lag pretty heavily, will having a better computer alleviate this somewhat?
at the moment, the game dosent really want to run it, even at low settings.
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on August 19, 2009, 10:31:09 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 19, 2009, 10:39:57 pm
What is your bandwidth? Because it could be that you are on a low bandwidth, playing on foreign servers with too much ping or that your computer is too old. To help if your PC is old, try the DX 8 trick by typing '-dxlevel 81' in the launching options (make sure you remove it before launching a second time otherwise it won't save the settings), try reducing resolution down really low if it isn't already.Will this trick alter facial animations in any way?
I've got a poor-ish computer but I MUST have those facial animations.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 19, 2009, 11:09:35 pm
Post by: deadlycairn on August 20, 2009, 12:05:55 am
Post by: Puck on August 20, 2009, 12:39:42 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 20, 2009, 03:05:57 am
Besides,my speed only goes down significantly when there is fire and a ton of players.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 20, 2009, 08:50:07 am
Seems Team Fortress 2 doesn't like people close to a snipers zoomed scope.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 20, 2009, 08:54:03 am
i has a good -nonlaggy (for englanders) server?
or, we could use the DF one, whichever
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 20, 2009, 08:55:51 am
Damn this junk that needs to be moved NOW, despite the pickup date being Sunday.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 20, 2009, 09:01:04 am
also, its, uh, three o clock. in england, where i think you are. and i are also
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 20, 2009, 09:31:18 am
And surprising you think I'm English with how often I speak of Maryland.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 20, 2009, 09:33:38 am
Post by: Jakkarra on August 20, 2009, 09:34:19 am
also, heres a free music link while i get ready.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC6UtsPa13o&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC6UtsPa13o&feature=related)
add Jakkarra to your friends.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 20, 2009, 09:34:42 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 20, 2009, 09:38:32 am
Post by: ToonyMan on August 20, 2009, 09:39:27 am
We could start playing on the B12 server.
I'll do that.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 20, 2009, 09:44:51 am
ill join you THERE then.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 20, 2009, 09:45:10 am
Post by: ToonyMan on August 20, 2009, 11:19:26 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 22, 2009, 02:08:14 am
Post by: Jakkarra on August 22, 2009, 04:15:30 am
i have a server that i go on, its based in berlin, that one may be better for you, lag is non-existant for me, AND it has some pretty nice maps.
duh, next time i go on, ill linky the IP.
Post by: Puck on August 22, 2009, 06:30:47 am
Anyway, yesterday I was having a glorious demoman round on saigns.de with a 3:1 KD ratio. My hands still hurt, after 6 hours of sleep, I kid you not. The demoman had a clipsize of 6 on his primary launcher and the damage seemed to be higher than I was used to.
Did valve patch him up to old greatness or was that a server thing?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 22, 2009, 06:32:03 am
Post by: Puck on August 22, 2009, 06:39:31 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 22, 2009, 06:45:01 am
Post by: Puck on August 22, 2009, 06:50:42 am
When I bought TF2 I only played demoman, was the only class I got kills with, without dying all the time. Probably because of 1) being able to shoot around corners and 2) big fucking splash damage.
Then they nerfed my purty demoman into oblivion: 4 rounds, reduced DMG and every little tard can remove your stickies with whatever weapon he has. That kind of ruined the fun for me.
Playing on that server yesterday changed my mind, however. If I can get a 3:1 KD ratio and lead the stats, knowing there are better players online, knowing I suck because I'm tired and whatnot, there has to be something overpowered about that class.
But seriously, valve kinda overdid it. Maybe reduced clipsize and have stickys explode full force when somebody shoots them would be nice. there has got to be a middleground, but demoman isnt really fun as he is now.
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 22, 2009, 07:04:43 am
Post by: Dwarfaholic on August 22, 2009, 07:11:24 am
Oh yeah, I noticed that one too :-\ It IS kind of disturbing.
When I bought TF2 I only played demoman, was the only class I got kills with, without dying all the time. Probably because of 1) being able to shoot around corners and 2) big fucking splash damage.
Then they nerfed my purty demoman into oblivion: 4 rounds, reduced DMG and every little tard can remove your stickies with whatever weapon he has. That kind of ruined the fun for me.
Playing on that server yesterday changed my mind, however. If I can get a 3:1 KD ratio and lead the stats, knowing there are better players online, knowing I suck because I'm tired and whatnot, there has to be something overpowered about that class.
But seriously, valve kinda overdid it. Maybe reduced clipsize and have stickys explode full force when somebody shoots them would be nice. there has got to be a middleground, but demoman isnt really fun as he is now.
I wouldn't like to start a flamewar here, but, y'know, demoman is considered kinda OP in comp play, and I recall there being a demo cap on most teams so they wouldn't have too many. Once you know how to lead shots, the damage he can do is kinda insane.
Post by: Puck on August 22, 2009, 07:13:49 am
On the server I played on yesterday, with the old demoman glory, I was hitting people straight in their faces with the nades when they were strafing full speed. I guess that came from raised confidence.
Regular servers I dont hit as well. But it'll come back. Just gotta play demoman more.
Also, I dont see how you would start a flamewar. You werent exactly inpolite or anything.
Post by: Jreengus on August 22, 2009, 07:26:53 am
Post by: Dwarfaholic on August 22, 2009, 08:11:23 am
The sticky problem you seem to be experiencing, Puck, can usually be solved by placing your stickies in locations where the enemy cannot see them or comfortably remove them. Also, use the pills. They are your friends.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 22, 2009, 10:01:22 am
I get like 150 ping in the DFC server, generally. I'm on the west coast of the U.S.
I receive 60 ping? Something like that. And I'm on the East Coast USA!
Post by: Puck on August 22, 2009, 11:29:07 am
The sticky problem you seem to be experiencing, Puck, can usually be solved by placing your stickies in locations where the enemy cannot see them or comfortably remove them.Do I really come across THAT stupid ? :D I know how to place stickies.
It's just... Ida know... when the airblast was used to push stickies around, it felt more rock-paper-scissory. It wasnt perfect, because stickies were overpowered, but, again, I'd like to have some middleground.
Imho, the demoman is REALLY map dependant. Lots of open ground, little stuff to bounce nades from, he can become nigh useless.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 22, 2009, 11:36:37 am
Imho, the demoman is REALLY map dependant. Lots of open ground, little stuff to bounce nades from, he can become nigh useless.I don't mean to sound cynnical, but, well...
AHAHAHAHAHA!
In theory, yes. In practice, no.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 22, 2009, 11:38:23 am
Post by: Jakkarra on August 22, 2009, 12:01:41 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 22, 2009, 12:05:07 pm
I must warn that, as always, I may leave at a moments notice.
Shall we head for the randomizer server?
Post by: ToonyMan on August 22, 2009, 12:22:05 pm
EDIT: What server are we going to anywho?
Post by: Jakkarra on August 22, 2009, 12:25:20 pm
why not just use the Bay12 one.
also, dust off thine Mikes.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 22, 2009, 12:26:30 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on August 22, 2009, 12:29:30 pm
want to go there?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 22, 2009, 12:30:19 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 22, 2009, 12:33:10 pm
Also, my mic won't work on my computer because I accidentally short circuited it and blew it.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 22, 2009, 12:37:11 pm
ill join the game now.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 22, 2009, 12:39:26 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on August 22, 2009, 02:00:22 pm
Oh, anyone can add me if they wish. because i know you ALL love me! :P
Post by: The Doctor on August 22, 2009, 03:02:54 pm
Oh yeah, I noticed that one too :-\ It IS kind of disturbing.Maybe 1/4 damage. Besides, the demoman I play isn't so much to kill (unless I'm on offence and get pissed off) it is to deny the point and caps. If they have to stop to get rid of your stickies, you're delaying they're capping that much more. And if theres only 10 seconds left on the clock, they're gonna be fucked.
When I bought TF2 I only played demoman, was the only class I got kills with, without dying all the time. Probably because of 1) being able to shoot around corners and 2) big fucking splash damage.
Then they nerfed my purty demoman into oblivion: 4 rounds, reduced DMG and every little tard can remove your stickies with whatever weapon he has. That kind of ruined the fun for me.
Playing on that server yesterday changed my mind, however. If I can get a 3:1 KD ratio and lead the stats, knowing there are better players online, knowing I suck because I'm tired and whatnot, there has to be something overpowered about that class.
But seriously, valve kinda overdid it. Maybe reduced clipsize and have stickys explode full force when somebody shoots them would be nice. there has got to be a middleground, but demoman isnt really fun as he is now.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 23, 2009, 12:42:34 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 23, 2009, 12:45:50 pm
I like soldiers alot now, they can do so much!
Post by: Jakkarra on August 23, 2009, 01:17:23 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 23, 2009, 03:53:53 pm
Which makes me glad there was more than one spawn exit, and I was wise enough to go out multiple when my opponent was a demoman.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 23, 2009, 04:00:08 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 23, 2009, 04:02:34 pm
I don't like ctf_2fort much.Who the hell does?
Post by: umiman on August 23, 2009, 04:37:45 pm
I do. I love 2fort.I don't like ctf_2fort much.Who the hell does?
Post by: ToonyMan on August 23, 2009, 04:38:41 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on August 23, 2009, 04:54:16 pm
also, there are a lot of retarded scouts that decide a straight line towards a demoman is a BRILLIANT idea.
one last thing, im planning on making a map. Coniferous forest-secret underground base type dealie. it'll be one of the ones that follow on.
oh, and im losing the intended blu attacks thing. RED is a DEMOLITIONS COMPANY (well, their cover is, anyway).
ill need you to beta test when i get the first draft up. dev textures FTW!
Post by: ToonyMan on August 23, 2009, 04:56:47 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on August 23, 2009, 05:07:27 pm
planning on being a dense Coniferous valley, eventually going into a logging town, to a mountain wall. with a Smexy Giant Door. preferably id like to have a chain of bombs, with the first in the chain breaking down the giant door. and the other one/s going in to 'asplode something that i havent decided yet.
first draft'll be a giant blocky..... block... just the general shape, see if it works.
Post by: Cajoes on August 23, 2009, 05:54:26 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on August 23, 2009, 05:55:28 pm
dude, i mentioned that.
Post by: Cajoes on August 23, 2009, 06:01:43 pm
Buh....
dude, i mentioned that.
Only about walking -on- the skybox...
Just passing through it while heading to the Red team's intelligence room is a different matter. :3
Post by: Jakkarra on August 23, 2009, 06:04:29 pm
theres going to be a *very* high skybox. at least a little higher than the Maximum Demo-jump distance.
if anyone wants any features, ask.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 23, 2009, 06:17:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 23, 2009, 06:18:25 pm
Post by: The Doctor on August 23, 2009, 06:43:49 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on August 23, 2009, 06:50:31 pm
basically, one map, Coniferous forest, beginning pretty dense, lots of rocks, moving along starts to thin out, stumps, machinery, logs, ect...
gots to Lumbermill (owned by Blu) another map (maybye two?) of horribly mangled architecture, machinery and the like. exit.
another map of some sort of logging town. generic buildings.
Seeeeeeeeeeeeeecret underground base, entrance is 'asploded preferably, corridors, big open rooms, yeah.
the END!
Payload map.
Post by: shadow_archmagi on August 27, 2009, 10:32:58 am
I'm going to make a lot of quite possibly unjustified assumptions here.
First, I'll assume that I still know how to do math after a long summer.
Second, I'll assume that the ten-minute stats that my Steamstats thing just spat out is a completely average sample of how many items the populace earns over time.
So, Steamstats says there were 3 hats in the last ten minutes, with about 11k users logged onto the idling server.
Extrapolate: Six times as many hats in six times as much time. Eighteen hats an hour.
Divide eighteen hats by eleven thousand idlers to find that your odds are .001636363636repeating.
Multiple that by 100 and then round to get a percent:
.16
Divide 100 by .16 to see how many 1-hour intervals will be necessary for the average player to get a hat.
Result: 625.
Divide by 24 to get the number of days of nonstop idling required for the average player to recieve a hat.
Result: 26.0416666repeating
Conclusion:
If I know math, and if that 10 minute sample was average, most people will recieve a hat after playing tf2 nonstop for about a month. Obviously, though, there will be variation; some people will recieve their hats as a complimentary gift upon logging in, and others will have to play nonstop for nineteen months. But on average.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 27, 2009, 11:14:17 am
please?
Post by: shadow_archmagi on August 27, 2009, 11:36:18 am
i demand that at least eight people play with mineself on the Server.
please?
If you INSIST.
Hey wait you're not even online
Join the server first, then we'll talk.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 27, 2009, 11:40:07 am
Post by: shadow_archmagi on August 27, 2009, 12:37:21 pm
That game was not fun.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 27, 2009, 01:02:04 pm
we required more peoples.
>:(
P.S, partially my fault, i was bitching, wasn't i?
Post by: ToonyMan on August 27, 2009, 01:36:17 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on August 27, 2009, 01:54:49 pm
immah waiting on my Smexy Bomb model.
i may require some nice coniferous tree models too, if anyone can get them fo' me.
Post by: Nilocy on August 27, 2009, 06:03:13 pm
Have fun, I shall be on tomorrow btw.
Post by: Zai on August 27, 2009, 06:42:22 pm
Guys, i fixed the map rotation, off blast shouldn't load on the map rotation anymore.
Have fun, I shall be on tomorrow btw.
Care to name a time? =D
Post by: deadlycairn on August 27, 2009, 11:15:53 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on August 28, 2009, 02:22:24 am
I'm only missing Bonk, and I really want it too.
I won't even get into how many backburners I have. >.>
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 28, 2009, 02:38:06 am
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on August 28, 2009, 02:42:13 am
I do have a level 100 axetinguisher that I'm proud of though :D
1. Set aflame
2. airblast disorientate them
3. go mad axeman on their ass
4. ???
5. MHMPHMRPHMMMMMMMPGH! <3
I love pyro, as if you couldn't tell from my hobby/icon.
Post by: The Doctor on August 28, 2009, 03:52:01 am
"This is scout! Rainbows make me cry!"
Haha...
Spy cracks me up, but I have grown to love the speedy "Run in, shoot 6 times, and run out" about a scatterscoot.
:D
I killed like 5 medics in one match who had an uber by running in, weaving around the fatman, and shooting that bloody kraut. Never could have done that as spy, because the medics are usually smart and run around, dodging and doing a jig or something.
Post by: shadow_archmagi on August 28, 2009, 07:52:47 am
625 seems kinda... large. How many people play TF2 for 625 hours? I know I got my hat after about two hours, with about ten hours total playtime (my computer sucks too much for it to be worth it). Of course, I really wanted a WEAPON, not a hat, so Murphy's Law may be in effect.
Have collected more data. It tends to hover at around 31 items per hour (the exact number 31 has shown up like, eight times, with 36 being highest and 28 being lowest) for 11k people, making the average 458ish instead. That's a measly 19 days of idling.
EDIT: "Nineteen Days Of Idling" sounds like the title of a movie. It'd have a description like "This summer, Jim Carrey is an ordinary workaholic, until one day..." and then it'd cut to a doctor saying "You're going to have to spend nineteen days out of the year being idle or you'll die" and it'd be this zany comedy movie where the guy struggles to relax and not do anything interesting.
But yeah, like I said, it deals with probability, and what's worse, probability spread out over twenty five thousand users, so there will be, you know, say, two people who got hats while I was typing this, and quite a few more who will read this post and never, EVER receive a hat.
Post by: Cajoes on August 28, 2009, 09:26:04 am
Post by: Puck on August 28, 2009, 10:03:58 am
Post by: Dr. Johbson on August 28, 2009, 10:55:34 am
Post by: Jakkarra on August 28, 2009, 10:57:10 am
KEEEL HEEEEEM!
and give it to me. career spies need it, not him.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on August 28, 2009, 10:59:45 am
JOHBSON HAS THE FANCY FEDORA!
KEEEL HEEEEEM!
and give it to me. career spies need it, not him.
I'm a spy all the time, I was just completely off my game today.
I'm usually fantastic. 8)
Post by: Jakkarra on August 28, 2009, 11:07:59 am
and again?
and again?
:3
Post by: Mr.Person on August 28, 2009, 01:07:13 pm
I don't even like the Dead Ringer. Can't stand it, both the Cloak and Dagger and regular Invisibility Watch seem better to me.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 28, 2009, 01:44:48 pm
Now I have tw... OH WAIT,I got another one this morning.
At least I have every unlock,even if duplicates. But damned if I didn't have to work for that ubersaw...
Post by: Jreengus on August 28, 2009, 01:53:31 pm
You would not believe how many Dead Ringers I have. At one point, I had like 5 of them, and that was BEFORE I started idling and getting 3 of them in a row. Of course, none of them have different levels.C&D and DR both have their uses, its the invis watch that is redundant. (I can't imagine a situation in which I wouldn't want to use one of the others.
I don't even like the Dead Ringer. Can't stand it, both the Cloak and Dagger and regular Invisibility Watch seem better to me.
A good tip for if you want to use the DR to cloak and run across an area like you would with the normal invis watch is to disguise as a player on your own team, run out and use it and when the enemies shoot you they'll think they've shot a player with low health rather than suspecting a spy. You'll then be cloaked and you wont show up if shot like you would using the invis watch. The C&D beats the normal invis watch any day because its simply too useful to be able to regenerate cloak while cloaked and thus be able to move stealthily for longer, plus if you are cloaking to throw off pursuers with the C&D it's easier to lose them and stay invisible while they search than it is with the invis watch when you'll either uncloak painfully early or else leave a trail intelligent people can follow from picking up ammo packs. Oh last thing, if using C&D then use crouch+forward to use up cloak a lot slower.
I have all the weapons from achievements. (Never used a farming server, I'm just that awesome!) I don't have any duplicates because I delete them when I get them and so does my idler program.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 28, 2009, 03:06:49 pm
And I have multiple of every weapon except the FaN, which I don't have, and no hats.
Oh you little bastards.
Post by: umiman on August 28, 2009, 03:08:48 pm
Post by: Uber dwarf2.0 on August 28, 2009, 06:06:43 pm
But don't you see? PAYING people for mods? That's the revolution right there!
Alot of games are mods. If Gears of war uses the Unreal engine 2.05 And UT3 uses 2.05 one game would be a mod of the other because a "mod" is just the stuff besides the engine.
Post by: Jreengus on August 28, 2009, 07:52:52 pm
Actually, the normal invisibility watch works fine as long as you know VERY well where the ammo spawns are.That's my point, if you know where the ammo spawns are so do others, hell I've used that knowledge to catch DR spies before when they were heading to the health and I was heading to the health not for myself but because I figured they would. With the C&D though there's no spot they will likely head for. I'm a real bastard because I normally cloak running in one direction immediately turn then stand in the middle of a room and dodge people. Unless you get really unlucky it's easy enough to predict peoples movement and if they are firing randomly to look for you it's easy to dodge that too.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 28, 2009, 08:02:46 pm
Scout with mini-gun?
Heavy with med-gun?
Pyro with REVOLVER.
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 28, 2009, 09:22:47 pm
You would not believe how many Dead Ringers I have. At one point, I had like 5 of them, and that was BEFORE I started idling and getting 3 of them in a row. Of course, none of them have different levels.C&D and DR both have their uses, its the invis watch that is redundant. (I can't imagine a situation in which I wouldn't want to use one of the others.
I don't even like the Dead Ringer. Can't stand it, both the Cloak and Dagger and regular Invisibility Watch seem better to me.
A good tip for if you want to use the DR to cloak and run across an area like you would with the normal invis watch is to disguise as a player on your own team, run out and use it and when the enemies shoot you they'll think they've shot a player with low health rather than suspecting a spy. You'll then be cloaked and you wont show up if shot like you would using the invis watch. The C&D beats the normal invis watch any day because its simply too useful to be able to regenerate cloak while cloaked and thus be able to move stealthily for longer, plus if you are cloaking to throw off pursuers with the C&D it's easier to lose them and stay invisible while they search than it is with the invis watch when you'll either uncloak painfully early or else leave a trail intelligent people can follow from picking up ammo packs. Oh last thing, if using C&D then use crouch+forward to use up cloak a lot slower.
I have all the weapons from achievements. (Never used a farming server, I'm just that awesome!) I don't have any duplicates because I delete them when I get them and so does my idler program.
We have a failspy?
Post by: Jreengus on August 28, 2009, 09:47:07 pm
We have a failspy?a)???
b) :'(
Post by: ToonyMan on August 28, 2009, 09:47:21 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
We rock them socks. Hail.
Post by: IndonesiaWarMinister on August 29, 2009, 01:05:19 am
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TouhouFortressTwo
We are invading TF.
Expect me when I am able to upgrade my Internet connection.
:P
Post by: shadow_archmagi on August 29, 2009, 11:14:12 am
Quote from: Drunken Fool
Every 15,430 seconds (4 hours, 17 minutes, and 10 seconds) you have a 1.1905% chance to receive a hat. These are the exact values used and is not something that was determined by using data collected from idlers.
I verified this by checking against people who received two hats real close together and the difference in time was divisible by 15,430
Drunken fool said that. And I'd say he knows a LITTLE more about idling than you do pal, because he invented it!
He's refused to give out his actual source, but it seems to be quite solid information that has been confirmed via testing. That comes to about two weeks of solid idling per hat, on average.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 30, 2009, 09:12:05 am
i'm currently on the server, would anyone care to join me?
no-one is EVER on...
Post by: Dr. Johbson on August 30, 2009, 09:25:50 am
Post by: Jreengus on August 31, 2009, 12:42:17 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And yes I'm disappointed that it was the mining light, one of the worst in my opinion.
Post by: Broose on August 31, 2009, 01:25:29 am
Post by: Someguyo on August 31, 2009, 06:39:53 am
Post by: Techhead on August 31, 2009, 04:24:26 pm
Idle Fortress (http://nerfnow.com/comic/173) by Josué Pereira of Nerf Now.
Post by: Mulch Diggums on September 01, 2009, 02:08:50 am
[Insert rage against valve over crappy weapon unlocking system]
Post by: Roundabout Lout on September 02, 2009, 10:05:45 am
Valve Syringegun:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, the soldier is an aspiring magician!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Soulwynd on September 02, 2009, 11:49:57 am
But well, screenshot goodies.
Heavy decided to rest a bit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/th_cyberpunk-a_0150003.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/?action=view¤t=cyberpunk-a_0150003.jpg)
Demo killed me, but spies were rampant.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/th_cp_redfort_b30000.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/?action=view¤t=cp_redfort_b30000.jpg)
All heavy can be lots of fun.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/th_cp_castle40002.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/?action=view¤t=cp_castle40002.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/th_cp_castle40001.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/?action=view¤t=cp_castle40001.jpg)
Sorry medic.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/th_cp_dustbowl0004.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/?action=view¤t=cp_dustbowl0004.jpg)
Sniped.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/th_cp_redfort_b30001.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/?action=view¤t=cp_redfort_b30001.jpg)
Sorry soldier.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/th_cp_gravelpit0002.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/?action=view¤t=cp_gravelpit0002.jpg)
Damn spies.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/th_cp_indulge_b30000.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/?action=view¤t=cp_indulge_b30000.jpg)
Awesome?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/th_koth_nucleus0000.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/?action=view¤t=koth_nucleus0000.jpg)
Haha.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/th_pl_goldrush0003.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v68/soulwind/screenshots/?action=view¤t=pl_goldrush0003.jpg)
Post by: Dwarfaholic on September 02, 2009, 01:11:06 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on September 02, 2009, 01:30:16 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 02, 2009, 01:48:51 pm
it's never populated when i go on either, i may be on lator.
SHAD0Wdump is spy!
Post by: Soulwynd on September 02, 2009, 03:36:42 pm
All these screenshots somehow make it even more annoying that nobody's ever on the Bay12 server when I'm on. Like now. Right now.Well, it's an european server. So the ping is beyond what I find acceptable (150ish at least) and at the time people are playing on it, I usually am busy elsewhere. So it's sort of hard, every time I go to play it has 0 players, and I want to play not sit there and wait and then have to play 1v1.
Post by: Jakkarra on September 02, 2009, 04:20:05 pm
we need some times to play.
Post by: Jreengus on September 02, 2009, 11:00:47 pm
tl:dr Valve screwed me over like a cheap Taiwanese whore and now I'm pissed.
Post by: umiman on September 02, 2009, 11:20:31 pm
I've never been successful at idling. Simply because whenever I log on an idle server, I love the super enclosed, tiny battlefield room format and end up playing with whoever else is silly enough to duel in such a silly place for hours.
Post by: Jreengus on September 02, 2009, 11:37:31 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 02, 2009, 11:59:41 pm
Hackers/crackers/users of a Third Party program to idle in servers had hats taken away and were not given halos.
You know, a program which violates the Terms of Service, that thing that you agree to when you install the game.
Valve always had the policy, but just now decided to enforce it.
Post by: umiman on September 03, 2009, 12:16:28 am
Post by: Someguyo on September 03, 2009, 12:24:36 am
They took away my Sandman though. :-\
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 12:41:39 am
users of a Third Party program to idle in servers had hats taken away and were not given halos.I'm sorry but according to the guy who made it it was within the terms of service. How do you not get this Valve admitted that they had no policy on it previously. If it was excluded in the ToS then that would count as a policy!
Someguyo you should get items you had legitimately but lost back. The problem is it removed every item you earned using the program but the program would automatically delete items you had already earned if you got a better item (higher level). This meant ewven if you earned an item you would lose it because they deleted the one you "cheated" (Hah!) for and the program deleted the one you didn't.
Also @Kael again. I realise they didn't punish people who idled in game and that is my problem. If I could have known in advance they would make this decision I would have idled in game because it makes 0 difference to me and I would still have my hat and I would have a halo. Instead I am getting punished for not knowing in advance what decisions they would make.
To firther clarify this one little snippet is what truly pissed me off:
Quote
Due to us not having a policy in place prior to today
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 03, 2009, 01:04:06 am
You're going to take a "guy who wrote a (hack) program to circumvent logging onto TF2 in order to idle in game"'s word that said hack is not a violation of Valve's Terms of Service?users of a Third Party program to idle in servers had hats taken away and were not given halos.I'm sorry but according to the guy who made it it was within the terms of service. How do you not get this Valve admitted that they had no policy on it previously. If it was excluded in the ToS then that would count as a policy!
dohohoho. It's kind of like the crack dealer telling kids that it's just candy.
This is my last post on the matter. I'm not going to stay here and argue semantics on "policy", because it's probably true that Valve did not have a specific policy against "using a program to idle in order to unlock hats", but they do have a policy in the ToS that if they catch you using third party programs or circumventing the loader they can cancel your account, no questions asked.
As such it's a light sentence that they've given out so far. Using a hack program and expecting nothing to happen is like saying, "I murdered this guy with a spoon, there's no specific law or policy against murdering people with spoons so therefore I'm innocent." When the truth is that murder is murder, just as using a hack/crack is still using a ToS specificied Third Party Program.
Now there's a defined policy and trust me you'll get over it. It's e-peen cosmetic items in a game.
EDIT: I read the steam forums with hints that action was going to be taken against such actions. Valve may just be hardcore trolling their own fans.
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 01:10:59 am
You're going to take a "guy who wrote a (hack) program to circumvent logging onto TF2 in order to idle in game"'s word that said hack is not a violation of Valve's Terms of Service?*Sigh*
It doesn't avoid logging you into TF2 I'm not sure what you think this program is doing? Are you under the impression that this hacks the TF2 servers for you? It is not a hack, it is not a crack. It is a program that connects you to a specific server dedicated to idling and deletes duplicates for you.
Saying that it is a third party application is pointless. There are lots of third party applications that work with team fortress two and don't get you banned. The reason being that they don't they don't impact anyone else. You know what? Kind of like this one? OMG!
Yeh, my point is valve are punishing people out of the blue for the sake of punishing people out of the blue.
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 03, 2009, 01:14:13 am
*cough* What third party programs?
*cough* How dare they punish people for violating the Terms of Service they agreed to when they installed the game!
EDIT: Really, you answered my post way too fast. Just relax and play a game man.
Post by: Ampersand on September 03, 2009, 01:21:09 am
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 01:38:58 am
Post by: LASD on September 03, 2009, 02:19:13 am
The thing that really bugs me about this though is that the people that idled on achievement_idle servers won't be getting punished at all. As the difference is just using more resources (which is apparently the moral high road). Also, I feel really sorry for Drunken_Fool.
I think it would've been fair to give a warning before doing this kind of thing as they indeed didn't have any policy. Or, not really, I just understood they couldn't let the "ill-gotten" hats remain in the game.
And the last complaint, they just made hats ridiculously common, giving 95.5% of players hats. And the halos are apparently causing all kinds of problems in game. Like people getting kicked or not healed.
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 02:33:44 am
EDIT:
Well lets be fair the halo sucks, it makes you look ridiculously ugly and reveals that an awful lot of characters are bald under their hats. I honestly wouldn't wear it if I had it.
EDIT2: My new favourited server is called "Taking the high low road" after that name how could I not idle on it. And now I know that what I'm doing is 100% valve approved, and about 1% different. that percent being the fact that the little icon on my taskbar is now the TF2 cross/circle as opposed to a steam icon with a hat on it.
EDIT3: I'm getting a lot of my info from 7chan but apparently the item loss is affecting 15-20% of active players, that's got to be painful for valve that their system is so screwed that 15-20% of players would end up using this program.
Post by: Jakkarra on September 03, 2009, 05:39:22 am
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 05:55:08 am
Post by: Jakkarra on September 03, 2009, 05:56:38 am
They tripled the drop rate for hats, though it is still painfully low. It just means all us idlers who switched to server idling will recuperate our losses slightly faster and no idlers will still have to get very lucky.
silly Idler.
Don't idle, there's no point.
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 05:57:34 am
Also worth noting a lot of people on the forums seem to be under the impression idlers idle instead of playing. That's just plain stupid I play when I want to play and idle when I don't.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 03, 2009, 06:00:31 am
Post by: Mr.Person on September 03, 2009, 11:13:36 am
Also, Drunken_f00l (The guy who made the idler) said multiple times that if Valve had asked, he would of taken the idler down in a heartbeat. So why did Valve do this shit retroactively after 6 months? Then, to top it all off, Drunken_f00l also has a community weapon. I shit you not, Valve decided to commemorate what he's done by giving him a special Kritzkrieg. They still took all six of his hats, though.
Post by: Puck on September 03, 2009, 11:21:01 am
Say, anybody else getting bugged performance report screens during roundchange?
Maybe I shouldnt have used the "Achievement unlocker" tool to lock all my achievements again.... I wanted to get that "carrot on a stick" feeling back, I kid you not. I even asked valve to clear my achievements. They said they couldnt so I did it myself. So either that killed my performance report screen (I even reset it) or it's just coincidence.
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 03, 2009, 12:31:01 pm
Maybe I shouldnt have used the "Achievement unlocker" tool to lock all my achievements again.... I wanted to get that "carrot on a stick" feeling back, I kid you not. I even asked valve to clear my achievements. They said they couldnt so I did it myself.Using the achievement unlocker is a bannable offense now/valve could take away all your items. Same with using the idler program again. Weapons that were taken away due to the idler program should be reinstated within the next few days.
Also, Drunken fool made TF2items.com, which valve likes, but he made the idler program, which they don't like. So they still made an example out of him.
Really, there was a third party program to unlock achievements and unlock items, people who used it got items taken away months ago. There was a NEW third party program to idle and unlock items, and people who used it ALSO got items taken away. In both cases valve said using third party programs to cheat will now get all their items away or banned.
Are you people not seeing a pattern here? ??? Don't use bloody programs that screw with TF2.
EDIT: fixed items for weapons
Post by: Puck on September 03, 2009, 01:30:21 pm
Using the achievement unlocker is a bannable offense now/valve could take away all your items.See, that was the whole purpose of that exercise from the start, so valve should really be my guest.
I deleted all my items myself, and then relocked my achievements, to give me that carrot on a stick feeling again... So how exactly can they punish me? That's right, by unlocking all my items again :D
Seriously.
So back to my question. Anybody gettin bugged performance report screens?
Post by: Mr.Person on September 03, 2009, 01:44:20 pm
It's not the items, it's the retroactiveness for something they had said was ok.
Post by: shadow_archmagi on September 03, 2009, 02:18:21 pm
Quote from: Laserhead
Hey guys,
I was walking around the house with a lollipop today and suddenly, out of nowhere, Dad sees me and says, "Hey! No lollipops allowed in this house!" I was not aware that I could not eat lollipops because for 3 months, Dad had been aware that me and all of my friends (almost 11,000 of them) had been eating lollipops right in front of him and he had said nothing.
Right after giving me a warning, Dad proceeded to rifle through all my stuff and take all my lollipops. While he was at it, he took away some other candy too, even though he'd said he was fine with that. In fact, it wasn't even after the warning; he looted me AS he was saying it, before I had time to react and put the candy away.
Then he told all my friends that I was a worthless fatty and gave them special "NOT A FATTY" badges, even if they were, in fact, fat from non-lollipop candies.
Don't you hate Dads?
No one really cares about the lost items. It's the fact that their "cleansing" was imprecise, came months and months after they'd been aware of the problem, only targeted the third-party idlers, and came bundled with an official "YOU'RE BETTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE GO LAUGH AT THEM AND CALL THEM CHEATING FAGGOTS" T-shirt.
I'm well aware that valve has every right to do whatever they want within their games. If they wanted, they could, today, declare rocket-jumping a bannable offense and ban everyone who had ever done it.
There is a difference between "have power to" and "can do without being a dick."
I wouldn't have minded losing that pile of ubersaws I've accumulated. Losing my legit flare gun makes me a little sad.
The worst part by far is the huge storms of trolls that've appeared to say "CRRRRY SOME MORE WORTHLESS CHEATER DEAR GOD HOW COULD IT NOT BE OBVIOUS THAT WHAT YOU WERE DOING WAS DICKING I HAVE NO PITY FOR YOU WHATSOEVER" and, of course, the fact that they have an official valve-stamped piece of evidence saying "You're right! You are better than them! Taunt them! Make them cry! Spread suffering!"
Post by: Konork on September 03, 2009, 02:46:52 pm
Post by: Puck on September 03, 2009, 02:52:19 pm
Thats funny, considering I used the achievement unlocker. Well, I used it to LOCK my achievements, but still, technically, I've been cheating :D
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 03:02:04 pm
Post by: Puck on September 03, 2009, 03:05:09 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on September 03, 2009, 03:56:38 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 03, 2009, 03:57:43 pm
I'm planning to get the game when I get a new laptop. Will I have a halo or will I be classed as scum?
I'm not sure, you haven't done anything vile though so you should get one.
Post by: Jakkarra on September 03, 2009, 03:58:09 pm
Oh, and apparantly the Idlers gets a badge. and also take moar damage from Haloers.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 03, 2009, 03:59:04 pm
Oh, and apparantly the Idlers gets a badge. and also take moar damage from Haloers.
=-O
Post by: Leafsnail on September 03, 2009, 04:05:13 pm
And it seems a bit unfair to put a permanent and tangible penalty on the idler, like receiving increased damage. I'm a bit confused now - I thought you unlocked TF2 weapons through achievements, but I've seen all sorts of things like "Rare drops" (making me think of Runescape - huh?) and items which you have to stay logged on for ages to get (making me think of SSB - wha?). How does it work?
Post by: shadow_archmagi on September 03, 2009, 04:08:55 pm
I was just wondering, since the lack of a halo could incriminate me as a scum, heh.
And it seems a bit unfair to put a permanent and tangible penalty on the idler, like receiving increased damage. I'm a bit confused now - I thought you unlocked TF2 weapons through achievements, but I've seen all sorts of things like "Rare drops" (making me think of Runescape - huh?) and items which you have to stay logged on for ages to get (making me think of SSB - wha?). How does it work?
Items are recieved from unlocking achievements.
Sometimes though, just playing the game gets you a random item.
Every 15430 seconds, the game rolls dice to see if you get a hat.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 03, 2009, 04:15:01 pm
Correction: Make that less than 100 sides.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 03, 2009, 04:15:47 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 03, 2009, 04:21:30 pm
I don't really care about hats so whatever. I personally don't see the huge problem but I find it kind of funny that Valve trolled people hard. They released all these joke websites telling you hats make you superior, and then when people use a cheating program for hats, BAM (suckerpunch, rope-a-dope, own't).
It's almost beautiful.
Post by: shadow_archmagi on September 03, 2009, 05:05:33 pm
They released all these joke websites telling you hats make you superior, and then when people use a cheating program for hats, BAM
I'm still not sure why you insist that joining a random server and going off to watch Scrubs (leaving me to rage that I have four friends trying to join and the server has eight spectators) is perfectly legit while using external code to do the same thing is somehow this horrible sin.
Post by: Thndr on September 03, 2009, 05:17:30 pm
I agree with the sentiment against retroactive item removal along with mistaken identities, but I also agree with valve's reason that items (and specifically hats) are there to reward people FOR PLAYING TF2.
They could've used more tact in all this instead of giving me a NOT A FATTY hat.
Idling in game is different because you're not circumventing anything. And Valve really can't punish people from idling on a server while in TF2. Thats just plain stupid, at least they have the excuse of a 3rd party program against TOS to go back on for the idle program, but idle servers are still allowed because once they start punishing people for what they do on non-valve servers while in-game, or even punishing non-valve servers from running custom maps, then people will get REALLY pissed.
In the end, the droprate was tripled, so just play the damn game to get a hat. and attribute this to valve being as dumb as they are smart.
I hope the goddamn soldier update comes soon.
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 05:17:43 pm
Post by: shadow_archmagi on September 03, 2009, 05:29:36 pm
Idling in game is different because you're not circumventing anything. And Valve really can't punish people from idling on a server while in TF2. Thats just plain stupid, at least they have the excuse of a 3rd party program against TOS to go back on for the idle program, but idle servers are still allowed because once they start punishing people for what they do on non-valve servers while in-game, or even punishing non-valve servers from running custom maps, then people will get REALLY pissed.
What's this about "circumventing"
Either way I'm running a program for hours to accumulate items. What difference does it make whether my graphics card is taxed or not. It is the same number of hours, the same amount of effort, etc.
They don't need TOS to back them up; we aren't trying to sue them. We're just saying it's unfair to punish us for running a graphics/sound-disabled version of TF2 to idle with less RAM.
What precisely have I "circumvented"? Is there something inherently sacred about the TF2 official loading screen, or the urge to display dozens of people standing, screaming, dying, and then respawning for hours on end?
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 05:31:11 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 03, 2009, 05:32:41 pm
I'm still not sure why you insist that joining a random server and going off to watch Scrubs (leaving me to rage that I have four friends trying to join and the server has eight spectators) is perfectly legit while using external code to do the same thing is somehow this horrible sin.I'm not insisting, I'm pointing out that Valve can enforce their ToS anytime they choose. External programs they don't like are against the ToS. Too bad.
I have the soldier's medal and halo, you can check it out on TF2items.com, KaelGotRice.
I don't care about hats. People cheated for hats and now they're crying about it all over the net like spoiled kids. It's not like I'm not going to help you if you don't have a halo in game, but seriously... only you guys cared about the hats.
None if this would even be mentioned if this thread wasn't filled with "WAHHHHHHHH I cheated and Valve removed my hats it's so unfair" posts.
EDIT: And even if you don't think it was cheating, it basically is botting, what made you think that it would be a good idea? If you don't think it's morally right, don't do it.
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 05:42:40 pm
Post by: shadow_archmagi on September 03, 2009, 05:46:14 pm
None if this would even be mentioned if this thread wasn't filled with "WAHHHHHHHH I cheated and Valve removed my hats it's so unfair" posts.
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The difficulty being that for every one of those posts there is a corresponding
"CRY SOME MOAR, IDLING BITCH" post. Tempers are flaring and trolls are rampant on both sides.
I don't mind them doing the retroactive purge. It's the timing and the style of it. While it is true that valve's ToS says "we can declare anything we want cheating and punish it however we like whenever we like" it is quite a dick move to wait half a year before acting.
Valve was completely aware of idlers for a large amount of time and at no point issued any statements to give any viewpoint on it.
The flaw here wasn't the punishment of idlers. The flaw was the timing (months too late) style (completely unwarned) execution (many legit items were deleted) and the division of the playerbase into "Moral High Roaders" and "Cheaters"
Post by: shadow_archmagi on September 03, 2009, 05:46:43 pm
Kael, please just shut up. Please.
That isn't helping. I'm sure that, as a member of the DF forums, Kael is a rational person and we can discuss this without resorting to "shut up"
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 05:52:58 pm
We can discuss this without resorting to shut up but when one person is just trolling shut up seems an appropriate response.
Post by: Broose on September 03, 2009, 06:02:34 pm
I'm still not sure why you insist that joining a random server and going off to watch Scrubs (leaving me to rage that I have four friends trying to join and the server has eight spectators) is perfectly legit while using external code to do the same thing is somehow this horrible sin.I'm not insisting, I'm pointing out that Valve can enforce their ToS anytime they choose. External programs they don't like are against the ToS. Too bad.
I have the soldier's medal and halo, you can check it out on TF2items.com, KaelGotRice.
I don't care about hats. People cheated for hats and now they're crying about it all over the net like spoiled kids. It's not like I'm not going to help you if you don't have a halo in game, but seriously... only you guys cared about the hats.
None if this would even be mentioned if this thread wasn't filled with "WAHHHHHHHH I cheated and Valve removed my hats it's so unfair" posts.
EDIT: And even if you don't think it was cheating, it basically is botting, what made you think that it would be a good idea? If you don't think it's morally right, don't do it.
Nobody cares that much about hats. It is not like you are working hard or wasting your time or anything to get hats by idling. Idlers saw that Valve didn't say anything, so they decided they must not care. It was simple: either don't get hats, or get hats with no consequence. People thought, "Why not?". Then Valve decided to just ruin what everyone thought of them by making a big decision like this with no warning. And what is morally wrong with idling? Nobody is getting hurt, and people are wasting less time.
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 03, 2009, 06:05:31 pm
The flaw here wasn't the punishment of idlers. The flaw was the timing (months too late) style (completely unwarned) execution (many legit items were deleted) and the division of the playerbase into "Moral High Roaders" and "Cheaters"Word has it that the legit items are going back now, but yeah that sucks. I know someone who got the items back, but can't equip them due to backpack issues.
I fully agree that the rollback was poorly executed, though not fully unexpected. The items are the main problem here, as they affect gameplay. Valve is sending a firm message that 3rd party programs that access Valve games are prohibitive, I guess. You can't hit people just for idling in a game, but you can hit them for violating ToS.
"Cheater" or "moral high roader" to me doesn't matter in game, and it shouldn't matter in game to anyone, though I know it will. I should have known by now that there's no fury like internet fury.
Whatever, feel free to talk about it further.
Thatguyyaknow: How is it trolling when I point out that valve has a right to do whatever they want when people who agreed to a legally binding agreement conveniently ignored it? Disregarding ToS, anything that can be regarded as a cheating program... and furthermore, I know all idlers aren't complaining about it so I'm deeply appreciative of those who are sucking it up and won't do stuff like that again.
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 06:10:38 pm
On top of that how am I supposed to view posts like this:
I don't really care about hats so whatever. I personally don't see the huge problem but I find it kind of funny that Valve trolled people hard. They released all these joke websites telling you hats make you superior, and then when people use a cheating program for hats, BAM (suckerpunch, rope-a-dope, own't).Yeh, that's totally not just trolling. ::)
It's almost beautiful.
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 03, 2009, 06:13:48 pm
Also, I didn't ignore real complaints, I was addressing the main issue that there was a binding agreement, and valve can decide to enforce anytime of their choosing. I agree to disagree and so forth.
Post by: Broose on September 03, 2009, 06:18:47 pm
Quote
Due to us not having a policy in place prior to today, this time we're only removing the items earned through cheating the system.
So they had no rule against it.
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 06:21:59 pm
It doesn't violate the ToS. Here is a quote from the blog post:I qouted this right at the beginning I stated it as the core thing annoying me and you totally ignored it Kael. The ToS isn't the main issue, valve can do almost anything they want within the ToS, the main issue is that what they did was a massive prick move worthy of EA.QuoteDue to us not having a policy in place prior to today, this time we're only removing the items earned through cheating the system.
So they had no rule against it.
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 03, 2009, 06:22:32 pm
Either way it's just not a good idea to have programs accessing games in a way the game's creator did not intend. It'll get you in trouble with punkbuster and it'll get you in trouble with Valve and almost any online game.
Post by: Jreengus on September 03, 2009, 06:26:36 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 03, 2009, 06:29:47 pm
I fully agree that the rollback was poorly executed, though not fully unexpected. The items are the main problem here, as they affect gameplay. Valve is sending a firm message that 3rd party programs that access Valve games are prohibitive, I guess. You can't hit people just for idling in a game, but you can hit them for violating ToS.They had no policy on the idler program earlier, but they had a policy in the ToS against 3rd party programs in general.
Anyhow I don't have time to argue. :-\ Later.
Post by: Ninja on September 03, 2009, 06:33:31 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on September 03, 2009, 08:05:17 pm
People whined and cheated around the achievements as well.
The main point is. It's a one time payment game, it's sort of like a movie ticket or any other game out there. After you bought it, no matter how crappy the movie is, you wont get your money back. We're in the middle of the movie right now and people are whining because something they didn't like happened.
It's also amusing people who didn't idle around aren't complaining much.
Bottom line, it's their game, they can do whatever they want with it, the best you can do is tell others to not buy it if it bothers you, because that's how they make their money with tf2.
Post by: Pandarsenic on September 03, 2009, 08:22:45 pm
Post by: Zai on September 03, 2009, 08:29:42 pm
Man, it's a shame the halo is ugly.
Indeed. Very ugly.
And I thought I remembered seeing it as a server's personal hat a while ago, before the hat updates.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 03, 2009, 08:46:12 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on September 04, 2009, 02:29:18 am
I leave it off my spah because I think it may reveal you when you're cloaked through the light aura thing.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 04, 2009, 09:45:24 am
Post by: Jakkarra on September 04, 2009, 09:48:10 am
Gentlemen.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 04, 2009, 12:20:05 pm
It was glorious.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 04, 2009, 01:13:16 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on September 04, 2009, 01:56:39 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 04, 2009, 01:59:58 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 04, 2009, 02:03:15 pm
heh.
Post by: Soulwynd on September 04, 2009, 03:40:53 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 04, 2009, 03:43:08 pm
It is quite disconcerting to join a game and find a player by the name of Sniper Joe on the team list.
That was very strange.
@Comic:
lol
Post by: Thndr on September 04, 2009, 03:56:45 pm
What precisely have I "circumvented"? Is there something inherently sacred about the TF2 official loading screen, or the urge to display dozens of people standing, screaming, dying, and then respawning for hours on end?Not to be too much of a troll, but you're taking this way too serious.
Also, you're circumventing the system intended to reward players for playing the game. You're not playing the game, or even using valve software. The game is not running and you're getting shit through the system anyway.
At least idling while in game you're "playing" the game. Valve has no right to tell you how to play the game, as long as you're using their shit to access their servers to get ingame bonuses.
Sure there was no clear rule for TF2 other than the broad and very vague valve corporate rule about 3rd party access. Sure they also could have used tact for all of this *see my previous post for my sentiments*. But in the end, you circumvented their system in both access(3rd party program logging you in onto a server) and intention(reward for playing the game), and they decided to act against that.
All in all, both sides have handled this badly. Valve for being a dick about it by not solving the problem within a reasonable timeframe(drop system and trading) and punishing those who bypassed the problem (but not being a royal dick of removing all items), and the idlers for causing so much damn drama (And don't tell me you're pissed off for what valve did. The only ones who have the right to be pissed off are the ones who got their legit items deleted and never returned. The rest of you idled for a reason and are just mad you lost the hats, as they were important enough to you to idle in the first place.*Which at the time wasn't considered outright cheating, however what was it then? Being clever at sticking it to the man?)
Just to note: I know this post sounds a little bit flaming, but it's not my intention. I would've idled if it didn't appear to be quite unseemly to me. I have nothing against those who idled. Granted it's also just unseemly to me for them to pitch such a fit about the whole deal.
Also to note: This also caused a rift in bunch of pub servers where people ban HALOs or NON-HALOs, as well as descriminating against either side. But this is more to do with that people are dicks and less to do with Valve's actions(beside from making the idler-vs-nonidler debate into something more tangeable, but they didn't start that fire*only added fuel*)
Post by: Jreengus on September 04, 2009, 04:23:56 pm
The rest of you idled for a reason and are just mad you lost the hats, as they were important enough to you to idle in the first place.*Which at the time wasn't considered outright cheating, however what was it then? Being clever at sticking it to the man?And this is why I am even more pissed at people like you. Because obviously it's impossible for me as an idler to care about more than my hats! I mean I idled for them! I actually ran a program which could affect me in no way but a minor positive and thus that program must be sole basis of my life. All of my emotions revolve around that one program and the items I gained it from it.
Secondly it wasn't sticking it to the man, it was fixing a system valve knew and admitted was broken. Hats were ludicrously rare and it was impossible for us to fix the percentage drop so we had to increase the number of rolls. Now that valve have indresed the item drop rates I could stop idling but I'm not going to if they are going to be pricks about this I'll just idle get hats and trade them for a halo when the system comes out. Not because I want such an ugly thing which pretty much ruins the game aesthetically (I played on a server were no hats were being displayed, it was bliss.) but rather to say screw you valve.
Post by: Thndr on September 04, 2009, 04:46:43 pm
And just to clarify some more, I've been mostly focusing on the reaction to the loss of hats and using the program to get hats, and defending their use of said program as some righteous thing because Valve is too slow to fix the problem.
Secondly it wasn't sticking it to the man, it was fixing a system valve knew and admitted was broken. Hats were ludicrously rare and it was impossible for us to fix the percentage drop so we had to increase the number of rolls.While I'll admit that there was/is a problem with the drop system, and they seem to take months to even address the problem, but the idler wasn't fixing the issue. It was bypassing the issue in a technically shady manner. (Which is now considered cheating through change of ToS)
And I'm not saying you cared a great deal about the hats, but you (and a bunch others) obviously cared enough to bypass the problem in that manner, which in effect was an indirect letter to Valve protesting the drop rate.
And really, the issues have still yet to be fixed because even though hats are 3x less rare, they're still rare and untradeable. What would I want with a hat I don't like, or a hat on a class I hardly play? It just seems unfair for me to get that one while others want it and have the hat I want. The best thing to fix it would be a combination of random and calculating you class stats. (Nothing too skill based of course, just enough data to influence -what- hat you get instead of -when- you get a hat.)
And this is why I am even more pissed at people like you. Because obviously it's impossible for me as an idler to care about more than my hats! I mean I idled for them! I actually ran a program which could affect me in no way but a minor positive and thus that program must be sole basis of my life. All of my emotions revolve around that one program and the items I gained it from it.
Now that valve have indresed the item drop rates I could stop idling but I'm not going to if they are going to be pricks about this I'll just idle get hats and trade them for a halo when the system comes out. Not because I want such an ugly thing which pretty much ruins the game aesthetically (I played on a server were no hats were being displayed, it was bliss.) but rather to say screw you valve.Now that is just petty, and sticking it to the man.
Instead of say, writing them a deeply thought out letter with a bunch of clearly worded points on how they failed customer service as well as management of player reward system (which by all means, they have.) and what you intend to do.
Also:
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/halolz-dot-com-teamfortress2-cheaterscomic.gif
While posting this comic link may seem hypocritical, it's basically shows what a decent person is going through after using the idler(even for only a few hours). The whole elitism on both sides was here before the update, and just got worse with something tangible.
Post by: Jreengus on September 04, 2009, 05:26:03 pm
Post by: Thndr on September 04, 2009, 05:38:44 pm
Actually I am planning on writing them an e-mail, although I'm giving it a couple of days to see whether they are going to admit how badly they screwed up and also to let all the angry spam die down.Well if you're going to wait, I'd email them monday evening if they don't have any response by then. Over the weekend they'll have tons of emails from a bunch of users, which might make your letter get lost.
And just to clarify some more (without editing my previous post. Damn it seems I just love editing XD), I only have an issue with those bitching about not having a warning and immediately losing their idled unlocks, while making only minor comments towards the halo. And those who try to justify their use of the idler program itself. As well as those who didn't idle and go CHEATER CHEATER NENER NENER.
It's those people who spawn the elitism.
Sorry if my generlization earlier hit a nerve, should've explained what I was focusing on more clearly >_> (My intent was directed more at the person I was quoting ). Hope you at least get a response from your email.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 04, 2009, 05:41:41 pm
Post by: Jreengus on September 04, 2009, 05:47:57 pm
Sorry if my generlization earlier hit a nerve,I think this whole subject is a nerve for me and I probably shouldn't be posting about it here because I'm likely just making myself look like a total prick to everyone.
Post by: LASD on September 05, 2009, 03:36:09 am
However, I'll add the last thing in the debate that I don't think was mentioned: The idlers were the ones that made Valve change the drop rate to something more reasonable. They pretty much voted against the system and when they won the voting (by surpassing the number of people actually playing the game), Valve said they were cheaters and promptly changed the system. I know it's a problem idlers got hats that way, but I think only removing the hats would've been enough. Blaming them for wanting a change in Valve's own non-fun system is rather unfair.
Post by: Ninja on September 05, 2009, 08:42:01 am
and easier to get a head shot "shoot for the shiny thing"
Post by: Jackrabbit on September 05, 2009, 08:43:15 am
Post by: Jreengus on September 05, 2009, 08:46:13 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on September 05, 2009, 08:47:27 am
Post by: Leafsnail on September 05, 2009, 02:35:05 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on September 05, 2009, 02:38:21 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 05, 2009, 03:00:24 pm
I was bored and working through the 1000 backstab achievement for spy, so as they spawned I backstabbed the BLUs instantly. There was this BLU, who was trying to kill reds, bitched at me about it so I told him to swap sides. He kept doing this until eventually while I was backstabbing someone else he finally fried me as pyro. Then, he sat in a corner shooting flames at me so I couldn't get behind him to backstab him.
So I shot him in the face with the ambassador.
He rage quit the idle server.
...seriously???... :P kids are dumb.
Post by: Thndr on September 05, 2009, 04:27:48 pm
Post by: Jreengus on September 06, 2009, 03:51:58 am
Post by: Cheeetar on September 06, 2009, 03:55:59 am
Interesting. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=960212) I wonder if he's telling the truth.Even if he is he's stupid.
Post by: Jreengus on September 06, 2009, 03:58:09 am
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on September 06, 2009, 04:42:18 am
...
For the love of whatever god, GO OUTSIDE. You are throwing your life away on virtual hats.
Pathetic.
Post by: Jackrabbit on September 06, 2009, 06:04:09 am
Post by: Jreengus on September 06, 2009, 07:50:06 am
Post by: userpay on September 06, 2009, 08:36:57 am
Post by: Puck on September 06, 2009, 09:57:45 am
but I cant help thinking that guy is either a troll or an idiot. He just cant be serious. But really, if that had happened to me, I'd probably be ashamed of myself and wouldnt post it on teh intarwebz, despite the anonymity.
Also, the connections is a bit far fetched, is it? (edit: apart from the fact that it's really a bit iffy to blame anyone else for blatant lack of self control. and all this over a friggin virtual hat)
My lifestyle is changing a lot. At times I eat healthy stuffz, then there are periods of time when I stuff myself with the fattest burgers and sweets. Sometimes I work out a LOT, sometimes I just slowly decay for weeks in front of the screen.
By now I should be one big clot.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 06, 2009, 12:19:34 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on September 06, 2009, 12:40:53 pm
Post by: jayt on September 06, 2009, 02:19:40 pm
I know this argument is over but I have to add, the policy was directed towards programs that were used for commercial purposes. On another note, I wonder if valve will address their handling of this either positively, negatively or not at all.I fully agree that the rollback was poorly executed, though not fully unexpected. The items are the main problem here, as they affect gameplay. Valve is sending a firm message that 3rd party programs that access Valve games are prohibitive, I guess. You can't hit people just for idling in a game, but you can hit them for violating ToS.They had no policy on the idler program earlier, but they had a policy in the ToS against 3rd party programs in general.
Anyhow I don't have time to argue. :-\ Later.
Post by: Jreengus on September 06, 2009, 11:26:19 pm
I just realised I have no idea what e-mail address to send an angry e-mail to, anyone else know?Seriously, I cannot find it yet I presume they must have one as I have seen other people mentioning sending them an email.
Post by: Broose on September 06, 2009, 11:55:29 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on September 07, 2009, 01:26:21 am
we need to set up some times.
preferably ones that work for all of us.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 07, 2009, 08:31:26 am
Post by: Jakkarra on September 07, 2009, 12:05:05 pm
at least three people needed. i can get two others i can get to play.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 07, 2009, 06:16:15 pm
Believe me, I would play if I could.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on September 07, 2009, 07:08:29 pm
Post by: Nilocy on September 07, 2009, 10:26:19 pm
Post by: Broose on September 07, 2009, 10:27:24 pm
Post by: Jreengus on September 07, 2009, 10:34:38 pm
Badum tush!
In other new I got the best pyro hat available from idling, still annoyed at the update but it is apparently impossible to find their email address.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 07, 2009, 10:36:40 pm
More like a sexmin.
Badum tush!
In other new I got the best pyro hat available from idling, still annoyed at the update but it is apparently impossible to find their email address.
WHAT.
teamfortress2@yahoo.com
Post by: umiman on September 07, 2009, 10:42:03 pm
Post by: Jreengus on September 07, 2009, 11:35:16 pm
Post by: Broose on September 07, 2009, 11:45:39 pm
Post by: Jreengus on September 07, 2009, 11:46:43 pm
Post by: Broose on September 07, 2009, 11:48:43 pm
EDIT: Ah, nevermind, busy.
Post by: Jreengus on September 08, 2009, 12:51:18 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Well that email is apparently incorrect, I tried sending it from my hotmail account and got a message failed, I then tried from my google mail account and got a more detailed message failed telling me the address doesn't exist. So from this am I to take it that Gabe Newell goes around handing out fake addresses?
Post by: Zai on September 08, 2009, 04:23:35 pm
You know, if you want, I can make a bunch of you admins so you can organise games and that within yourselfs...
Yes, please.
Post by: Broose on September 08, 2009, 05:29:12 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on September 09, 2009, 01:33:20 am
i often organise games on the server. generally etween me and a few aquaintences. sometimes Duke and Toony also.
Post by: Nilocy on September 10, 2009, 10:39:27 am
Post by: Jakkarra on September 10, 2009, 10:52:41 am
Post by: Jreengus on September 10, 2009, 11:40:39 am
Post by: Jakkarra on September 10, 2009, 11:48:58 am
it's [DFC] Jakkarra.
Please Adminate meh :3.
Post by: Nilocy on September 10, 2009, 11:57:29 am
Post by: Jakkarra on September 10, 2009, 12:00:39 pm
EDIT: MINOR spelling error.
Post by: Nilocy on September 10, 2009, 12:02:34 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on September 10, 2009, 12:03:34 pm
Oh goddammit. you are offline.
Post by: Zai on September 10, 2009, 06:26:17 pm
So can you lot add [DFC] to your names.
It's been there for...a few months. Mantis Shrimp is me name.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 10, 2009, 08:25:33 pm
If I can get rid of this damn virus on my computer.
I might have to do a complete system reformat.
Post by: Jakkarra on September 11, 2009, 02:02:06 am
Post by: Broose on September 11, 2009, 01:21:49 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on September 11, 2009, 02:34:54 pm
Post by: Broose on September 11, 2009, 02:56:25 pm
But then, later, in that match, he shot an arrow from the battlements on 2fort while I was going towards the bridge, and I REFLECTED IT BACK AT HIM WITHOUT HIM HELPING. Glorious moment.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Doctor on September 11, 2009, 03:25:15 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 11, 2009, 06:07:37 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2009, 06:01:31 pm
"Blutsauger
Replaced "No critical hits" negative attribute with "-2 health drained per second on wearer""
It has been made done.
Post by: Metalax on September 15, 2009, 06:16:45 pm
Also fixed explosives range being different at different angles.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 15, 2009, 06:31:03 pm
I still wanna headshot a sniper with his arrow.I have once, unless when a pyro reflects an arrow it takes the pyro chance of crits instead of the snipers chance. It uses the same airblast icon and not a headshot icon.
And thanks to my lag, has absolutely nothing to do with skill. Just pure luck.
And unless the randomizer server does not record statistics, one could just randomly get a pyro with a sniper rifle and do that.
Post by: Zai on September 15, 2009, 08:11:50 pm
September 15th 2009 Update:
"Blutsauger
Replaced "No critical hits" negative attribute with "-2 health drained per second on wearer""
It has been made done.
Wait. What? ...
I much prefer having the no crits with it to having health drained by it. I guess it makes sense, but I liked it before. But oh well.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2009, 08:17:38 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 15, 2009, 10:40:02 pm
You can have a heavy standing close enough to a dispenser and drop sandviches for Sniper, who is in range of Sandviches but not dispensar.
Sniper is in danger, Heavy jumps in to save the day.
Sniper heals his booboos and everyone is happy.
Post by: The Doctor on September 15, 2009, 11:01:11 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 15, 2009, 11:01:59 pm
Post by: The Doctor on September 15, 2009, 11:03:57 pm
And so are penguins.
... Oh god heavy weapons penguin, someone must skin this. o.o
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 15, 2009, 11:08:34 pm
Also, this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: umiman on September 16, 2009, 02:04:09 am
Edit: I've always wondered why the medic does an upward stab with the bonesaw. It's not a pointy weapon...
Post by: Jreengus on September 16, 2009, 02:53:44 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jreengus on September 23, 2009, 09:33:28 am
The addition of an extra class may seem risky but I think they can pull it off.
Post by: Someguyo on September 23, 2009, 09:48:45 am
Post by: LASD on September 23, 2009, 11:06:24 am
Anyway, I think playing a guard dog would rather boring as they're so limited, but having them as bots would be quite interesting.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 23, 2009, 01:54:55 pm
Made me laugh.
Post by: Jakkarra on September 23, 2009, 03:00:21 pm
It's still obviously a jest good sirs. So, i wonder which the next update WILL be.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 23, 2009, 03:13:14 pm
The Engineer gets a mini update every update so he doesn't get one.
Post by: Jakkarra on September 23, 2009, 03:31:23 pm
though, the engie dosent have much to upgrade, the sentries areall he needs, and i believe valve mentioned they don't wish to make new ones of those?
Post by: ToonyMan on September 23, 2009, 03:33:51 pm
I always thought it'd be the "explosive update" combining both of those guys.
though, the engie dosent have much to upgrade, the sentries areall he needs, and i believe valve mentioned they don't wish to make new ones of those?
Yes! Yes, that's exactly what I mean!
Post by: Jakkarra on September 23, 2009, 03:35:07 pm
there's too many ways to smash his little toys.
(spy needs a boost too)
Post by: Jreengus on September 23, 2009, 03:50:13 pm
The engie DOES require a boost, however.Ah you jest good sir! The engineer is perfectly poised between the lines of OP and UP.
Anyhow engineer update would still be nice I have a few ideas for cool "new" turrets. Such as one that can only be upgraded to level 2 but it can ubered or kritzed by a medic. (Medigun wouldn't heal it though). Or a customisable turret which can be given any enemy weapon to fire.
Aaanyhow even if he keeps his basic turret I wouldn't be surprised if valve hands out things to help offensive engineers a bit.
Post by: Soulwynd on September 23, 2009, 04:07:02 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 23, 2009, 04:17:09 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 23, 2009, 04:27:02 pm
Post by: Someguyo on September 23, 2009, 05:14:58 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 23, 2009, 05:16:22 pm
Post by: Jreengus on September 23, 2009, 05:21:17 pm
= One could reason they are spoofing their own hat updates.It was done by a member of the community, read the bottom bit of the second page.
Post by: Zai on September 23, 2009, 05:34:27 pm
It does sound like a joke though. Akin to part of the Spy/Sniper update.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 23, 2009, 05:39:24 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on September 23, 2009, 06:52:07 pm
Post by: Zai on September 23, 2009, 07:14:53 pm
Jarate was real!
Wasn't what I was referring to. >,>
Wait. It is definitely fake, as that letter said.
Oh well. Very well done fake update.
I want a real update.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 23, 2009, 07:21:44 pm
I might as well go play tf2 for now before someone comes up with a monkey update.Are you suggesting that such an idea is not totally and completely awesome?
And valve can come up with a fake community member to spoof their community. Still, I should stop here. All of my speculation has no real base in the situation of the TF2 community. Not to mention that CTF map on two giant trucks is just too awesome.
Post by: umiman on September 23, 2009, 07:30:46 pm
It was based off of Unreal Tournament 2004, which featured that as an objective based assault map. Awesome fun.I might as well go play tf2 for now before someone comes up with a monkey update.Are you suggesting that such an idea is not totally and completely awesome?
And valve can come up with a fake community member to spoof their community. Still, I should stop here. All of my speculation has no real base in the situation of the TF2 community. Not to mention that CTF map on two giant trucks is just too awesome.
Post by: Zai on September 23, 2009, 07:33:20 pm
Not to mention that CTF map on two giant trucks is just too awesome.
It's a real community map, as Soulwynd's post said before he edited it. If I remember correctly, No Heroes has a dedicated server for it. Maybe.
Post by: The Doctor on September 23, 2009, 08:37:16 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on September 23, 2009, 10:52:55 pm
Well, I hate monkeys. Those two CTF maps do exist, but yeah, that was made by a community member and valve liked it enough to flash it on their blog.I might as well go play tf2 for now before someone comes up with a monkey update.Are you suggesting that such an idea is not totally and completely awesome?
And valve can come up with a fake community member to spoof their community. Still, I should stop here. All of my speculation has no real base in the situation of the TF2 community. Not to mention that CTF map on two giant trucks is just too awesome.
Oh well, I'd rather have new classes. :(
As long as they're not monkeys.
Post by: Puck on September 24, 2009, 09:39:14 am
But, bottom part of day 2 page:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So, in the end it boils down to
Quote from: Heavy Weapons Guy
Maybe... maybe...
Post by: Jreengus on September 24, 2009, 10:19:59 am
Post by: ToonyMan on September 24, 2009, 01:53:00 pm
Post by: Thndr on September 24, 2009, 01:55:44 pm
Post by: Zai on September 25, 2009, 03:48:41 pm
As I minor attempt to improve my airblasting skills in anticipation of the DFC tournament, I started playing on a Dodgeball server a lot recently. My original preconception of it being skill-based (having to direct the rocket with the airblast) was soon thrown away, as it (the server I've been playing on, at least) has an auto-aim thing where all you have to do is airblast the rocket (doesn't matter too much what angle you point your airblast) because it swerves around in the air to go to a random person on the opposing team. So while it hasn't improved my aim a whole lot, my timing has definitely improved. And it's a lot of fun.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 25, 2009, 03:55:28 pm
Indeed, that was a good fake.
As I minor attempt to improve my airblasting skills in anticipation of the DFC tournament, I started playing on a Dodgeball server a lot recently. My original preconception of it being skill-based (having to direct the rocket with the airblast) was soon thrown away, as it (the server I've been playing on, at least) has an auto-aim thing where all you have to do is airblast the rocket (doesn't matter too much what angle you point your airblast) because it swerves around in the air to go to a random person on the opposing team. So while it hasn't improved my aim a whole lot, my timing has definitely improved. And it's a lot of fun.
I've seen that gamemode before, really fun. :-D
Post by: Ampersand on September 26, 2009, 04:52:50 pm
In case no one's seen it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 26, 2009, 04:56:51 pm
Watch your BACK, because YOU PICKED A FIGHT WITH THE WRONG MAN. I look forward to PUMMELING YOU TO DEATH WITH MY BARE DAMN HANDS.
Saxton Hale strikes again! Much better than Valve Industries.
Post by: Jackrabbit on September 26, 2009, 04:57:10 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 04, 2009, 04:06:50 pm
Post by: Nilocy on October 05, 2009, 05:44:33 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 05, 2009, 05:46:57 pm
You need to get it a jump start by having 4 players join right away and go from there.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 05, 2009, 05:48:53 pm
Mayhaps if you hosted the Convoy map? ;)
Post by: ToonyMan on October 05, 2009, 05:50:04 pm
It's a catch22 server. People don't join because there is nobody is on. Nobody is on because nobody joins.
Mayhaps if you hosted the Convoy map? ;)
I'd hit that.
Post by: Nilocy on October 05, 2009, 06:03:39 pm
Post by: zchris13 on October 05, 2009, 06:36:31 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 05, 2009, 07:47:05 pm
Post by: zchris13 on October 05, 2009, 08:53:35 pm
Post by: Megaman on October 05, 2009, 08:54:10 pm
Post by: Ninja on October 06, 2009, 10:12:37 pm
It's a catch22 server. People don't join because there is nobody is on. Nobody is on because nobody joins.i too would hit that
Mayhaps if you hosted the Convoy map? ;)
Post by: zestorum on October 19, 2009, 05:58:05 pm
Ruining your parade: Got TF2. This shit's sick.
Ditto.
Post by: Nilocy on October 19, 2009, 06:29:34 pm
Ruining your parade: Got TF2. This shit's sick.
Ditto.
Good or bad way?
Post by: Zai on October 19, 2009, 07:19:45 pm
Ruining your parade: Got TF2. This shit's sick.
Ditto.
Good or bad way?
It means they both got the game. You'd have to play with them to know if it's good or bad.
Post by: Megaman on October 19, 2009, 07:26:11 pm
Post by: zchris13 on October 19, 2009, 07:35:44 pm
Awesome way.Good or bad way?Ruining your parade: Got TF2. This shit's sick.Ditto.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2009, 07:49:21 pm
...
BRAHSOME.
*falls from chair foaming at the mouth*
Post by: Zai on October 19, 2009, 07:50:12 pm
Post by: Megaman on October 19, 2009, 11:16:13 pm
Post by: zestorum on October 20, 2009, 08:34:31 am
Post by: Evaristo Carriego on October 20, 2009, 12:06:28 pm
Post by: Metalax on October 20, 2009, 12:23:22 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on October 20, 2009, 04:08:39 pm
But I quit it since Valve doesn't seem to give a crap about their costumers.
I had a censored version, even when my country shouldn't have one.
From what I heard they could easily fix the problem.
So I tried the support through email.
I took me half a dozen mails until they actually read my mail and adressed my issue, before they just threw in some generic answer.
And even after that they told me to import the game and do a special cumbersome registration for it, even though I had the right for the fully uncensored game.
Post by: LASD on October 20, 2009, 04:41:02 pm
And this was just 2 months ago, so they might have got better at this support thing.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2009, 04:47:51 pm
With people exploding into presents?
Post by: Mindmaker on October 21, 2009, 11:38:41 am
Mindmaker, I had the same problem, having bought the German retail version of Orange Box for 20€. I filed a ticket on steam support about it, requesting the sillygibs-mode removed and replaced with normal gibs, and in around 4 days my game updated and the problem was solved. Though that wasn't anywhere near their claimed respond time, which is 23 hours.
And this was just 2 months ago, so they might have got better at this support thing.
I too bought the Orange Box, maybe half a year ago, in Austria.
Could you possibly tell me what you wrote to convince them?
Post by: LASD on October 21, 2009, 01:32:06 pm
@Mindmaker: This silly little letter did the job, with the title of "Low violence in TF2" and the category "Game questions > Video Problems":
Quote
I'd like to have low violence turned off of my Team Fortress 2. The retail version of the Orange Box I bought is apparently a censored German version, but I'm Finnish and getting a little tired of the silly gibs. Having played a lot of Soldier and Demoman lately, the regular gibs would be nice.
Thank you in advance,
Post by: GlyphGryph on October 21, 2009, 04:09:46 pm
Curse my love of playing quadrapeds and other non-humanoids in video games. (Playing as Raptor in Turok multiplayer was so. much. fun.)
Luckily, not real, so I can keep on having a productive life by barely resisting the urge to buy this game.
Post by: Eduren on October 21, 2009, 06:30:24 pm
Why is no-one playing on it? Is it lack of image? Or is it that other servers are better? Tell meeeee! I want to make it better :(TBH, my horrible ping is why I don't normally play on [DFC]. I would play if it was east-coast (Im on west). But there were probably good reasons to make it UK based, right?
Post by: umiman on October 21, 2009, 06:37:23 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2009, 06:47:13 pm
But I hear those USA West-Coast people get like 260 ping. Which isn't the best.
Post by: Eduren on October 21, 2009, 06:48:55 pm
But I hear those USA West-Coast people get like 260 ping. Which isn't the best.Yep getting 200+
Post by: Zai on October 21, 2009, 07:12:29 pm
Post by: Nilocy on October 21, 2009, 08:00:36 pm
Also: we have the ability to change the server location. I'll change to the east coast, try it out there for a bit. If it doesn't work out we can try else where. Although I'm going to have to copy all the files across.
And, donations pl0x!
Annnnd, I might also need someone else to help look after the server files aswell. Donaters only though.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on October 21, 2009, 08:03:42 pm
I max at 100 Ping
Post by: Nilocy on October 22, 2009, 06:43:08 am
Post by: umiman on October 22, 2009, 12:49:25 pm
Quote
The total length of the UK is around 625km.
Distance between the US west coast and east coast is close to 6000km. This means it takes around 10 Englands to go from the east to the west of the USA.
Canada is even further apart.
Then there's the North Atlantic ocean in the way.
That's why there's such a huge ping difference. Yes, internet speed has something to do with it too, but that's the major issue right there. Since none of us are going to upgrade our internet speed (I run the fastest internet available in the province) just to play a game, the only other thing to do is mess around with the server location. Do what you said before. Try switching to an east coast server for awhile and we'll see how that goes. If it sucks too much, you could always switch back.
Post by: Mindmaker on October 22, 2009, 01:34:41 pm
@Mindmaker: This silly little letter did the job, with the title of "Low violence in TF2" and the category "Game questions > Video Problems":QuoteI'd like to have low violence turned off of my Team Fortress 2. The retail version of the Orange Box I bought is apparently a censored German version, but I'm Finnish and getting a little tired of the silly gibs. Having played a lot of Soldier and Demoman lately, the regular gibs would be nice.
Thank you in advance,
Well I tried to explain the issue several times to the support, but either he was dumb, or just didn't care.
I'll write them again tomorrow, maybe I have more luck then.
So is this server still there?
And are people from here playing?
Because the other reason I stopped playing is, that I didn't knew anybody there and was always playing with random people which got boring quickly...
Post by: Puck on October 22, 2009, 02:10:31 pm
Can I set it to show the non violent stuff, without running into danger of losing the uncut stuff (I think I remember somebody saying he wasnt able to turn it to violent again) easily? Sometimes I feel like i wanna see rubberducks and tricycle wheels...
The only real downside is that blood deffo is a better hit indicator than the stuff you get from the cut version >:( Talking real balance issue here. (unless they changed it since release)
Post by: Metalax on October 22, 2009, 04:45:49 pm
Post by: Jay on October 22, 2009, 04:52:01 pm
It's a shame that it's Sunday nights though, I could do so much more on Saturday...
Post by: Nilocy on October 22, 2009, 10:49:03 pm
Post by: Zai on October 23, 2009, 05:23:48 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on October 26, 2009, 06:22:50 am
Too bad my game crashed in the end. (I was FluffyWambler)
So you just play on Saturdays and Sunday evenings, or more often?
And do you still accept people in your 'clan'?
Post by: umiman on October 26, 2009, 02:23:20 pm
Well that was fun.Anyone can join. Feel free to sign up and put [DFC] by your name.
Too bad my game crashed in the end. (I was FluffyWambler)
So you just play on Saturdays and Sunday evenings, or more often?
And do you still accept people in your 'clan'?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2009, 02:29:08 pm
Well that was fun.
Too bad my game crashed in the end. (I was FluffyWambler)
So you just play on Saturdays and Sunday evenings, or more often?
And do you still accept people in your 'clan'?
Well that was fun.
Too bad my game crashed in the end. (I was FluffyWambler)
Too bad my game crashed in the end. (I was FluffyWambler)
(I was FluffyWambler)
FluffyWambler
D:
Post by: Mindmaker on October 26, 2009, 03:14:01 pm
Well that was fun.
Too bad my game crashed in the end. (I was FluffyWambler)
So you just play on Saturdays and Sunday evenings, or more often?
And do you still accept people in your 'clan'?Well that was fun.
Too bad my game crashed in the end. (I was FluffyWambler)Too bad my game crashed in the end. (I was FluffyWambler)(I was FluffyWambler)FluffyWambler
D:
What?
Too cute?
Well I'm too lazy to change the nick, and the picture, so live with it :P
Post by: Zai on October 26, 2009, 04:07:33 pm
So you just play on Saturdays and Sunday evenings, or more often?
Those are the 2 main days. If you want to play a game on the server any other time and nobody else is in it, just invite everybody who is online or in-game. And the more people are in the server, the more likely more people will join you.
Post by: Nilocy on October 26, 2009, 05:27:18 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on October 26, 2009, 08:56:31 pm
Yaaay, outdated computers...
As soon as I get my gaming PC fixed I will be back into the community
Post by: LASD on October 29, 2009, 04:01:56 pm
Halloween update too.
http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/)
Man, just ended the minute I posted, got one for a friend of mine though.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2009, 04:03:24 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on October 29, 2009, 04:06:20 pm
Too bad.
Post by: Eduren on October 29, 2009, 04:06:27 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2009, 04:11:48 pm
I am going to be rockin' TF2 all weekend. This is an awesome update.
Quite indeed.
Post by: Zai on October 29, 2009, 04:14:50 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on October 29, 2009, 04:15:17 pm
I am going to be rockin' TF2 all weekend. This is an awesome update.
I would but it's likely I will be drowning in chicks wearing lingerie whilst claiming to be wearing Halloween costumes and not be whores all weekend. ::)
Oh god my campus today...
Post by: umiman on October 29, 2009, 04:59:02 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2009, 05:53:11 pm
Post by: umiman on October 29, 2009, 06:01:07 pm
As for "when", unless you cheat for them (which won't get you anything), you can only get them this weekend.
Post by: Eduren on October 29, 2009, 06:01:38 pm
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Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2009, 06:07:28 pm
The "how" is easy, just check your own achievements page and scroll all the way down.
As for "when", unless you cheat for them (which won't get you anything), you can only get them this weekend.
They weren't there a second ago! D:
And yes, I will get them all.
*cackle*
Post by: Zai on October 29, 2009, 06:27:37 pm
[EDIT:] IT'S HERE
[EDIT:] Quite fun. I've gotten 1 new achievement so far.
Post by: umiman on October 30, 2009, 12:37:48 am
Post by: Thndr on October 30, 2009, 01:05:08 am
All achievements get.Ditto.
Environmental obstacles are fun. Maybe they should make it so a server could be optioned to have them in maps.
Post by: Metalax on October 30, 2009, 01:12:32 am
Same here.All achievements get.Ditto.
Environmental obstacles are fun.
Indeed, Pumpkin jumping a heavy across the map is fun.
We need to restart/update the DFC server.
Post by: Servu on October 30, 2009, 05:36:58 am
So yesterday (pre-halloween update) after my everyday three hour session of DF, I decided to have some light fun for change and fired up TF2. Everything went as usual, but suddenly I got a hat. (The soldier's stash)
Wow! Lucky me I thought, but just as I had put it on, the chatlog went crazy: Everybody was getting hats!
The whole server flipped as almost every player got multiple hats during a single round. (yet some did not get any at all) Does anyone know if this is some kind of Valve's halloween prank or something? I took a look to the TF2 forums, but there was no mention of this.
Post by: IndonesiaWarMinister on October 30, 2009, 06:06:47 am
I want this game... So bad... :|
Post by: Eduren on October 30, 2009, 12:08:01 pm
Whats up with all these hats?
So yesterday (pre-halloween update) after my everyday three hour session of DF, I decided to have some light fun for change and fired up TF2. Everything went as usual, but suddenly I got a hat. (The soldier's stash)
Wow! Lucky me I thought, but just as I had put it on, the chatlog went crazy: Everybody was getting hats!
The whole server flipped as almost every player got multiple hats during a single round. (yet some did not get any at all) Does anyone know if this is some kind of Valve's halloween prank or something? I took a look to the TF2 forums, but there was no mention of this.
Some say that it was a glitch in the hat-drop formula that Valve accidentally caused with the update. Reported Here (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1004271) and Here (http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/9z3ux/3_hats_in_the_matter_of_15_minutes/)
Post by: chaoticag on October 30, 2009, 01:19:01 pm
'K...I can give you a guest pass. It says that it expires by the end of next month, so i guess that is how much free time you get? Also, you will need steam.
I want this game... So bad... :|
Post by: Mr.Person on October 30, 2009, 03:58:05 pm
Post by: Zai on October 30, 2009, 05:02:44 pm
[EDIT:] Terrible idea removed.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2009, 05:36:31 pm
When you wear the Halloween hats and taunt your guy does Thriller!
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2zz0zsx.gif)
XD HAHAHA.
EDIT:
Look at that, I saved it in GIF. Oh well.
Post by: Zai on October 30, 2009, 05:43:50 pm
OH OH OH.
When you wear the Halloween hats and taunt your guy does Thriller!
You don't have to wear a hat. It's just when you taunt in the event map.
Post by: Eduren on October 30, 2009, 05:48:54 pm
OH OH OH.
When you wear the Halloween hats and taunt your guy does Thriller!
You don't have to wear a hat. It's just when you taunt in the event map.
You don't have to be in the event map. It is just a random occurrence when you taunt.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2009, 05:49:10 pm
Post by: LASD on October 30, 2009, 07:13:21 pm
Post by: FluffyToast J on October 30, 2009, 08:36:16 pm
Post by: Sowelu on November 01, 2009, 07:30:11 pm
I still need to get ahold of it...
Post by: Sowelu on November 01, 2009, 08:21:23 pm
The gibus is the hard one that you need to dominate someone WITH A GIBUS for. Which means that the people you need to dominate, are good at dominating people.
And KOTH maps are not easy to dominate on.
Post by: zchris13 on November 01, 2009, 09:17:16 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 01, 2009, 09:20:37 pm
Then where did the first one come from???
A little over 10,000 were given to people that found the easter egg.
Post by: Mr.Person on November 01, 2009, 10:28:26 pm
Then where did the first one come from???
A little over 10,000 were given to people that found the easter egg.
Such as me. Of course, I got another Gibus via domination about 30 minutes later. Note that you don't have to dominate someone on koth_harvest_event, it can be any map. Getting the paper bag is probably easier, just get the pumpkins. I did that one in about an hour and a half, although soldiers are suprisingly good at killing people, all things considered. I found killing 5 people via pumpkin explosion to be harder, actually.
So all around, good update. Free hats for everyone! A new map! Lots of sales!
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on November 02, 2009, 12:50:48 am
Then I logged off and went to a Halloween party :P
Post by: Sowelu on November 02, 2009, 05:14:57 am
Seems easier on smaller servers.
Post by: Jakkarra on November 02, 2009, 01:44:48 pm
(Also add me to your friends list if you wish ^_^)
Post by: umiman on November 02, 2009, 02:03:56 pm
Yeah, to be honest I didn't expect to play TF2 at all this weekend, but I hopped on for like 15 minutes, joined an achievement server, and my friend helped me get all the achievements/hats in that short time.You got all the hats? Or just the Halloween hats?
Then I logged off and went to a Halloween party :P
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on November 02, 2009, 02:12:47 pm
The only side items I have are the soldier's medal, noncheater's halo, the german medic's hat?, and and the two halloween hats. I don't care about hat farming but I figure if I could get them, why not?
Post by: MagmaDeath on November 02, 2009, 04:07:01 pm
Post by: Sowelu on November 02, 2009, 05:06:20 pm
Post by: umiman on November 03, 2009, 04:45:43 am
Post by: Dr. Johbson on November 03, 2009, 08:05:16 am
Post by: Jakkarra on November 03, 2009, 10:39:03 am
It would be most pleasing to my person if thine wouldst all join me, My good sirs.
Post by: Sowelu on November 03, 2009, 11:54:24 am
Wat. I love berets.
Quote from: Francis
I hate berets. >:[
Post by: Siquo on November 06, 2009, 06:16:05 am
I rule a lot less at work with a hangover, though.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on November 06, 2009, 05:18:56 pm
Post by: Siquo on November 06, 2009, 05:54:36 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on November 07, 2009, 10:02:51 pm
I JUST INSTALLED TF2 AND WANT TO DE-RUST MY SKILLS
Post by: Sowelu on November 08, 2009, 11:09:24 am
Post by: Zai on November 08, 2009, 11:15:20 am
Post by: Jakkarra on November 08, 2009, 01:30:59 pm
Dload these when we have full confirmation.
http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/67139 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/67139) http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/110100 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/110100)
http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/105639 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/105639)
http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=6684&highlight=glacier (http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=6684&highlight=glacier)
http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/114556 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/114556)
http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=6672 (http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=6672)
Post by: Zai on November 08, 2009, 01:58:59 pm
Also. Might've been more appropriate to just use the DFC thread for this stuff.
Post by: Jakkarra on November 08, 2009, 02:07:13 pm
It's there and here.
Post by: sneakey pete on November 16, 2009, 10:18:17 am
*nom* *nom* *nom*
Post by: Tradanbattlan on November 17, 2009, 10:34:24 pm
Scarlette... she was such a beautiful teenage Sentry...
Joanna, you cute little dispenser, we knew you well...
...and Carl, the mentally retarded teleporter exit...
Rest in Pieces... And in my metal supplies.
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z266/Rainierman/ManlyTears-1.jpg)
Post by: Jakkarra on November 18, 2009, 02:44:53 am
I am a good spy, just ask Greiger and CHaoticag.
Post by: Xotes on November 18, 2009, 11:30:07 am
Post by: Jakkarra on November 18, 2009, 12:01:17 pm
If the animation was better that would be the most amazing peice of TF2 Fanart i've ever seen.
Post by: dragnar on November 18, 2009, 07:20:05 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on November 19, 2009, 04:40:45 pm
(Warning very large images.)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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You got these postcards if you sent them money, along with a fake cutout coupon from the spy update pages.
Love the barbershop one. They should sell these in their store.
Post by: Soulwynd on November 19, 2009, 04:44:14 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on November 19, 2009, 06:06:48 pm
No engi is safe.
Still need a Viable Pyro tactic though.
Post by: umiman on November 19, 2009, 06:13:19 pm
Works for me. It's interesting to note that while a lot of people consider the pyro to be an offensive class, it's even more dangerous as a defensive class in my opinion, especially in close maps like 2fort or the tower in Orange. By constantly moving around your base, you can easily take out lone scouts and probers in quick succession with no real fear of an enemy coming to reinforce him or long range attacks. Considering that the pyro's only other weakness is his health, all he has to do is run back to resupply to regain everything.
The most satisfying part is hearing the enemy team complain about "all those n00b w + m1-ers".
Post by: Dr. Johbson on November 19, 2009, 06:52:45 pm
Post by: Someguyo on November 23, 2009, 03:00:56 am
Warning: Large
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Heavy must find more tiny babies and crush them!
Post by: dragnar on November 23, 2009, 08:36:35 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 23, 2009, 09:36:54 am
Post by: Siquo on November 23, 2009, 12:25:39 pm
Pyro Mfffmfmfbfmfmfbfmm!!
Post by: Dr. Johbson on November 23, 2009, 01:30:28 pm
Heavy is too happy to notice ARROW IN HIS GUT.
He also has two in his shoe and one in his punching glove.
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on December 02, 2009, 02:53:58 am
I love the dead ringer, with the cloak and dagger I end up sitting in a corner for most of the round looking for a chance, taking it, and promptly dying, often before scoring a kill. D: Dead ringer forces action, and exposes just how bad spychecking can be. Until you start wiping the floor with them, and everyone and their mother goes pyro... ::) Of course, every round they send into their buddies is another they don't send into your team, and dead ringers start to shake their nerves after a while, hunting for you even after you actually do die...
Post by: Servu on December 02, 2009, 09:01:06 am
About the maps: I have played pl_terran before and it has a couple of incredibly cheesy sentry building spots in the final area. There are some (nearly impassable) ledges just above the blu team's side where you can build sentries that can only be shot if the blu player makes himself an easy target for every other enemy in the area (and the sentry). While in large games it's quite easy to just demoman spam the sentries, the map might be troublesome for small games. Though I still think it's worth a try.
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on December 02, 2009, 09:53:21 am
^^ Not to mention that dead ringer crashes the server if you use it while disguised as a friendly heavy.Specifically, if it gets tripped while disguised as a friendly heavy who has the gloves equipped, from what I heard.
Edit: anyone feel like getting on the server?
Post by: Jakkarra on December 02, 2009, 10:41:11 am
I use it exclusively, and just ask people how effective i am at spy!
(Or, like to think i am, if i'm not, tell me)
It does help with agressive tactics if you know what you are doing, and it's brilliant for escapes (Untill i get some bad luck). Ask a few people who have chased me, only to be stabbed when they think it's safe, or in at least one case, while they are chasing.
Post by: Siquo on December 02, 2009, 10:47:02 am
(Or, like to think i am, if i'm not, tell me)
... Nah, I'll let you keep your self esteem ;D
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on December 02, 2009, 10:53:21 am
Post by: Jakkarra on December 02, 2009, 11:02:57 am
Remember those times where half your team got chainstabbed? (It happened once or twice)
Each time, i was stood next to you all, following you untill you started firing :D
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 02, 2009, 11:04:17 am
Still slower for getting around though, so I like to switch out for the normal watch once in a while.
The Dead Ringer I use once in a while, mostly to screw around. I'm not too good with it but I try to learn.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 02, 2009, 11:07:22 am
It never seems to make me visible.
Post by: Nilocy on December 02, 2009, 11:22:39 am
does anyone ever see me walking around when i'm a min C&D cloak?
It never seems to make me visible.
When you walk around it has the effect of someone walking into you when your cloaked as a spy.
Also, WE NEED DONATIONS PL0X!
Post by: Jakkarra on December 02, 2009, 11:26:48 am
Post by: Soulwynd on December 02, 2009, 03:57:06 pm
Post by: The Doctor on December 02, 2009, 04:54:54 pm
I know Nilocy, it just seems that nobody notices me when i'm almost out of Cloak.Me too. And it's so obvious, especially red spies.
It's like "Dude, can't you see the spy shaped red blob running by you?!"
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 02, 2009, 05:07:02 pm
You know... The ones with the soul reaver players that have no compasion for how dull they are making the game for everyone they are stomping into the dust...
Post by: The Doctor on December 02, 2009, 05:36:23 pm
I'd like to see you get away with that sort of thing on 'normal' servers...Hah, it happens on pubs and my normal servers.
You know... The ones with the soul reaver players that have no compasion for how dull they are making the game for everyone they are stomping into the dust...
I think CnD just creates a void of incompetence and ineptitude from players all around the spy.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 02, 2009, 05:45:58 pm
There is nothing wrong with it, there has never been a time where i would have wanted the IW rather than the C&D.
It has SO many more tactics available, with the IW, you have to go through enemy fire to collect weapons or Ammoboxes or whatnot, with the C&D, take whatever route you like!
I know i do!
Post by: sneakey pete on December 02, 2009, 06:34:36 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 02, 2009, 06:38:45 pm
I get NO LAG!
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 03, 2009, 05:41:08 am
Post by: Siquo on December 03, 2009, 05:51:42 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 03, 2009, 06:14:38 am
Post by: zestorum on December 03, 2009, 07:05:56 am
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on December 03, 2009, 12:17:22 pm
It sounds like your problem isn't lag, it's framerate issues. Try lowering the resolution or something, see if that helps.
Post by: sneakey pete on December 03, 2009, 05:10:29 pm
Is there a way to make TF2 go faster, even on a server with near on 0 ping, I still get it.
Turn your settings down
The server i frequent is good. End up knowing the regulars who make up at about 50% of serer pop on any given day, so you can give our ubers to someone good.
Post by: Zai on December 03, 2009, 06:39:32 pm
Medics can be quite useful for offense and defense.
Post by: Eduren on December 03, 2009, 06:50:36 pm
Post by: The Doctor on December 03, 2009, 06:56:07 pm
One of them, nearly everyones a medic, to varying degrees of competence.
The other one, once in a blue moon theres a medic, and that's usually people who are new to the servers.
Post by: Megaman on December 03, 2009, 08:07:10 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 03, 2009, 08:19:12 pm
The Medic:
-is the second fastest class
-automatically regenerates health
-can heal others
-has a primary weapon that is actually pretty damn powerful if your good with it
-can turn himself invulnerable once in a while
Yeah... something...
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 03, 2009, 11:58:38 pm
Also, Needlegun is suprisingly powerful. Never underestimate it.
Post by: deadlycairn on December 04, 2009, 12:09:20 am
Post by: Eduren on December 04, 2009, 01:39:28 am
I like me some Medic, personally. Battle Medic is a lot of fun, too. Stupid, yes, but that syringe gun is a lot of fun to use.If all graphical settings at minimum still doesn't do it, then might I suggest Quantums little config (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=987466)? This is what really brought my tf2 back to life after several patches wrecked my framerate.
Still need to get my hands on the Ubersaw. It's the LAST FREAKIN' WEAPON I HAVE TO FIND.
Medic isn't even that difficult to play as. Keep moving, keep your Medigun trained on a heavy or something, and poke teammates with your saw every once in a while. Granted, it's not so easy to be a GOOD medic, but still.
Regarding framerate: I've got all of my graphical settings turned down in the Advanced Options menu and still get some issues. Asides for getting a new graphics card (which is in the works), is there anything I can do to improve FPS? I'm basically limited to Orange maps as of right now.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 04, 2009, 04:35:11 pm
It simply tells the game to run some commands that are already built into the game. And i must say it works wonders.I like me some Medic, personally. Battle Medic is a lot of fun, too. Stupid, yes, but that syringe gun is a lot of fun to use.If all graphical settings at minimum still doesn't do it, then might I suggest Quantums little config (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=987466)? This is what really brought my tf2 back to life after several patches wrecked my framerate.
Still need to get my hands on the Ubersaw. It's the LAST FREAKIN' WEAPON I HAVE TO FIND.
Medic isn't even that difficult to play as. Keep moving, keep your Medigun trained on a heavy or something, and poke teammates with your saw every once in a while. Granted, it's not so easy to be a GOOD medic, but still.
Regarding framerate: I've got all of my graphical settings turned down in the Advanced Options menu and still get some issues. Asides for getting a new graphics card (which is in the works), is there anything I can do to improve FPS? I'm basically limited to Orange maps as of right now.
I need a bit more clarification than what I'm seeing first before I try this.
What does this require; myself installing a program onto TF2, thereby changing graphics settings, myself changing graphics settings, a sort of plug-in to TF2 that I can choose to use whenever I desire, or a side-program that simplifies graphics? The details are unclear to me.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 04, 2009, 04:45:07 pm
This map was -awesome- to play -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuCsD-yU0ds
Post by: Eduren on December 04, 2009, 04:55:57 pm
There is no external program, or one that runs beside TF2. They are just a bunch of .cfg's that tweak settings. For example, this is my main config:If all graphical settings at minimum still doesn't do it, then might I suggest Quantums little config (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=987466)? This is what really brought my tf2 back to life after several patches wrecked my framerate.
I need a bit more clarification than what I'm seeing first before I try this.
What does this require; myself installing a program onto TF2, thereby changing graphics settings, myself changing graphics settings, a sort of plug-in to TF2 that I can choose to use whenever I desire, or a side-program that simplifies graphics? The details are unclear to me.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: dragnar on December 04, 2009, 05:54:51 pm
Random plug:Awesome video, now to go find it!
This map was -awesome- to play -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuCsD-yU0ds
Post by: Zai on December 04, 2009, 05:55:03 pm
Random plug:
This map was -awesome- to play -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuCsD-yU0ds
Looks great, if confusing.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 04, 2009, 10:12:29 pm
I've never actually seen it to the end tho. It's incredibly hard on blu team.
24/7 server: 216.246.108.66:27015
Post by: Zai on December 04, 2009, 11:59:02 pm
It's incredibly hard on blu team.
Looked like it'd be harder on Red until the end, due to having to defend so many different places at once. Unless Blu has a completely uncoordinated attack to the point where they all go in separate ways. It looked like a pretty simple strategy of attacking in only one place for several minutes to get Red accustomed to defending just that area, and then switching to attacking another place farther away could be pretty effective in the middle-to-end portion.
But that's just my speculation based on that video. I may try it out tomorrow to see what it's actually like.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 05, 2009, 12:03:23 am
Post by: dragnar on December 05, 2009, 12:44:21 am
Post by: Zai on December 05, 2009, 11:26:58 am
I couldn't find a server it's on :(Here:
24/7 server: 216.246.108.66:27015
Post by: Jakkarra on December 05, 2009, 12:51:18 pm
What do you think could be done to fix this?
(Also, lets have a game in a minute)
Post by: Zai on December 05, 2009, 02:11:32 pm
Guys, my friend has a slight problem, he appears to have no sound.
What do you think could be done to fix this?
Only in TF2? Everything else has sound?
If so, all I'd know to try is fiddling with the audio settings in-game.
Post by: Myroc on December 05, 2009, 05:42:56 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 05, 2009, 07:58:31 pm
These low poly, Old-school models should help alleviate many people's FPS woes.
Post by: Myroc on December 06, 2009, 01:55:06 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zai on December 06, 2009, 02:01:04 pm
Post by: Myroc on December 06, 2009, 02:21:32 pm
That corner in Turbine can really be annoying when a team sets up several Sentries.Yeah, except the majority of the time I was alone in that corner.
Post by: Eduren on December 06, 2009, 03:51:25 pm
Wow. You would think that they would get the hint after a while.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: dragnar on December 06, 2009, 04:13:21 pm
Post by: Myroc on December 06, 2009, 04:15:52 pm
Or, ALL switch to demomen.Feh. They die(d) all the same.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 06, 2009, 09:23:50 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 06, 2009, 10:02:16 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 06, 2009, 10:03:45 pm
Soldiers can fire at sentries safely because their rocket comes out from the right side of their model. But it only works for left hand corners. And with that wall directly behind the sentry he could kill the engy with splash damage if the sentry is being babysat.
Post by: Myroc on December 07, 2009, 04:59:28 am
Oh yeah, did I mention I have a survival record of almost an hour now? ;D
Edit: I just discovered you could switch what weapon you appear to be holding while disguised as an enemy team member. Never knew this before.
Needless to say I am now shooting EVERYONE in my team, instead of the people running around with their main weapons.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 07, 2009, 11:46:09 am
I'm not a failspy!
Post by: umiman on December 07, 2009, 11:48:32 am
Post by: Myroc on December 07, 2009, 11:54:06 am
If you were the only engineer, why are there three sentries in the picture?I said I was the only engineer for the majority of the time. They came there towards the end. I would never have gotten 166 sentry kills with two other guys there anyway. <_<
Post by: Siquo on December 07, 2009, 01:19:04 pm
I'm not a failspy!
Say it like you believe it! You can do it! It's all about the mentality, Jak, you're the man!
Hint: When jak gets annoyed he tends to drop cover and knife rush you full-frontal out of frustration. So annoying him is... tactical ;)
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 07, 2009, 01:41:25 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on December 07, 2009, 02:20:35 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 07, 2009, 04:25:45 pm
I'm not a failspy!
Hint: When jak gets annoyed he tends to drop cover and knife rush you full-frontal out of frustration. So annoying him is... tactical ;)
This actually works a lot of the time!
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 07, 2009, 04:34:32 pm
Post by: dragnar on December 07, 2009, 05:06:19 pm
Post by: Myroc on December 07, 2009, 05:08:44 pm
The syringes.
The syringes!
Post by: Zai on December 07, 2009, 05:25:42 pm
Edit: I just discovered you could switch what weapon you appear to be holding while disguised as an enemy team member. Never knew this before.
YOU CAN?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 07, 2009, 05:25:50 pm
A half-cloaked heavy?! That's like walking around as a giant target! How on earth does that work?Lots of highly erratic movement + playing on the DFC server = I still have no idea why they ignored me so much.
Post by: dragnar on December 07, 2009, 05:30:38 pm
Simple, cloak as the same enemy twice to equip their subweapon. Very useful when disguised as an engineer.Edit: I just discovered you could switch what weapon you appear to be holding while disguised as an enemy team member. Never knew this before.
YOU CAN?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 07, 2009, 05:32:10 pm
Or equip your equivalent weapon and press b.Simple, cloak as the same enemy twice to equip their subweapon. Very useful when disguised as an engineer.Edit: I just discovered you could switch what weapon you appear to be holding while disguised as an enemy team member. Never knew this before.
YOU CAN?
Post by: dragnar on December 07, 2009, 05:40:56 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 07, 2009, 05:45:47 pm
much more useful than constantly switching to the case, and my tactics just need a split-second Un-regognised period.
Post by: The Doctor on December 07, 2009, 05:51:39 pm
And since you can see what you health looks like, you could disguise as a heavy, say you had like half health, and take out your sandvich. The fact that you aren't fighting and are running toward your enemies base will not seem so out of place that way.
Assuming the heavy has low health.
Assuming he has the sandvich.
Post by: dragnar on December 07, 2009, 06:26:16 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 07, 2009, 06:29:23 pm
PLEASE! If i'm on your team as spy, KEEP AWAY FROM ME! I get killed by stray boolets from your targets!
Post by: Zai on December 07, 2009, 06:31:02 pm
PLEASE! If i'm on your team as spy, KEEP AWAY FROM ME! I get killed by stray boolets from your targets!
That's your job to keep away from your teammates then.
Post by: Siquo on December 07, 2009, 06:33:46 pm
You guys should have been on the server about two hours ago. We had a whole team of combat medics and two spies who kept disguising themselves as me for some reason.
The syringes.
The syringes!
It was brilliant. A whole flock of medics, plodding along with a cart, and one tiny stilletto. All those virgin backs, waiting to get stabbed. *wipes a tear away* It was beautiful.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 07, 2009, 06:36:17 pm
As one spy "taught" me around the time DR was introduced, Ravine or Badlands (whichever one is Arena only) has a good spot for a DR spy to get around to the opponent's side.PLEASE! If i'm on your team as spy, KEEP AWAY FROM ME! I get killed by stray boolets from your targets!
I try, scouts are faster than me.
And i use C&D exclusively, it's a good watch.
That's your job to keep away from your teammates then.
Post by: Nilocy on December 07, 2009, 06:46:54 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zai on December 07, 2009, 06:48:28 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Disturbing image is disturbing.
Post by: Siquo on December 07, 2009, 06:48:47 pm
Post by: Nilocy on December 07, 2009, 06:50:21 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 07, 2009, 06:54:02 pm
Post by: Nilocy on December 07, 2009, 06:54:38 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 07, 2009, 06:55:35 pm
Post by: Zai on December 07, 2009, 06:56:40 pm
What the carp is it?
It's pretty obvious, especially given the thread it was posted in.
Post by: Nilocy on December 07, 2009, 06:58:27 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 07, 2009, 07:09:19 pm
At first, i didnt think it was real, with the whole "lloks CGI'd" Dealy.
Post by: Metalax on December 08, 2009, 05:45:58 am
Fixed cloaked Spies having the critboost effect on their weapon.
Fixed dispenser not healing players at the correct rate if it's upgraded while the players are already touching the dispenser.
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Nilocy, have you updated the server yet?
Post by: umiman on December 08, 2009, 08:57:34 am
Post by: Siquo on December 08, 2009, 09:25:47 am
Post by: Nilocy on December 08, 2009, 10:20:33 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 08, 2009, 10:27:04 am
Post by: Jakkarra on December 08, 2009, 11:06:02 am
Post by: Nilocy on December 08, 2009, 11:14:03 am
Check this out.
Btw, Jakkarra I will eventually get maps put on. Only issue is getting EVERYONE ELSE IN THE DFC TO DOWNLOAD IT.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 08, 2009, 11:16:18 am
Post by: Jakkarra on December 08, 2009, 01:16:41 pm
I'll set an announcement also.
(You don't mind my announcement spam, do you Nilocy? i generally get a large game going through it)
Post by: Nilocy on December 08, 2009, 04:00:31 pm
Spoiler: Heavy Pyramid (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Pyro conga line 1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Pyro conga line 2 (click to show/hide)
Yeah, well done folks. Fun times :D
Post by: Zai on December 08, 2009, 05:28:57 pm
New update out and finally;
Fixed cloaked Spies having the critboost effect on their weapon.
Finally. That was what made me dislike the update that brought those in.
Post by: Siquo on December 08, 2009, 05:47:22 pm
You can tell, except for the red at the end of the line, all red pyros died.
(and my shut uuuup was totally called for)
Post by: Charmander on December 08, 2009, 08:17:26 pm
That was hilarious.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 09, 2009, 01:59:10 am
That's me. Hehehe...
Post by: fenrif on December 09, 2009, 03:14:43 am
Post by: dragnar on December 09, 2009, 03:46:50 pm
Coincidentally enough, the pyro conga-line-hadouken is the only thing powerfull enough to disrupt a heavy sandvich break once it gets going...One spy. That's all it takes.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 09, 2009, 05:20:16 pm
"How many spies does it take to get to the mayonaise center of a heavy picnic?"Coincidentally enough, the pyro conga-line-hadouken is the only thing powerfull enough to disrupt a heavy sandvich break once it gets going...One spy. That's all it takes.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 09, 2009, 05:21:55 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 09, 2009, 06:23:56 pm
SOLDIER/DEMOMAN DUAL (duel?) UPDATE!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 09, 2009, 06:29:18 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I think I just cried a tear of grizzly bear.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 09, 2009, 06:31:00 pm
They did the Explosive update!! Ohgod!
*Ahem* Gentlemen. I hope these achivements make them easier to backstab...
Post by: Metalax on December 09, 2009, 06:32:30 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 09, 2009, 06:33:38 pm
Maybe some form of cluster bomb for one of them?
Post by: Metalax on December 09, 2009, 06:39:04 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 09, 2009, 06:47:10 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 09, 2009, 06:55:15 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 09, 2009, 06:58:05 pm
This may also give me a reason to dust off my Demo cap.
Post by: Nilocy on December 09, 2009, 07:10:37 pm
Yeah, you lot are officially s-c-r-e-w-e-d.
Post by: Eduren on December 09, 2009, 07:18:48 pm
You will fear my soldier though.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 09, 2009, 07:21:17 pm
And watch this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 09, 2009, 07:34:43 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 09, 2009, 07:42:41 pm
What? What are you guys talking about? I fail to see whatever you do.http://www.teamfortress.com/
The comic is pretty obvious.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 09, 2009, 07:46:10 pm
What? What are you guys talking about? I fail to see whatever you do.http://www.teamfortress.com/
The comic is pretty obvious.
I didn't see the 'next' option. I figured you all went nuts.
Post by: dragnar on December 09, 2009, 07:49:08 pm
*Ahem* Gentlemen. I hope these achivements make them easier to backstab...Yes, yes, we're going to gut them like Cornish pigs! Actually still don't have that achievement...
Post by: Eduren on December 09, 2009, 07:52:25 pm
I thought he says Cornish game hen?*Ahem* Gentlemen. I hope these achivements make them easier to backstab...Yes, yes, we're going to gut them like Cornish pigs! Actually still don't have that achievement...
Post by: Metalax on December 09, 2009, 09:03:01 pm
I figured you all went nuts.
While entirely accurate, we actually had a reason this time. ;D
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 09, 2009, 09:12:55 pm
Post by: Zai on December 09, 2009, 09:36:23 pm
I HAVE WAITED FOR THIS SINCE THE DAY I STARTED PLAYING SOLDIER
I still need a damn viking helmet, though. Hell. I just need a hat. (Aside from mass giveaways of Ghastly Gibus, Halloween sacks, and Bill's hat)
But you people made me think the update was out today.
I think I just cried a tear of grizzly bear.
That's nothing compared to a tear of Bear Grylls.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 09, 2009, 09:41:06 pm
Post by: Zai on December 09, 2009, 09:44:34 pm
Which is even less than the tears of Bear Sterns, considering Bear Sterns is better at real survival than Bear Grylis.
Damn right he's better than Bear Grylis. But better than Bear Grylls? Not a chance.
Post by: Greiger on December 09, 2009, 11:25:34 pm
soldier update?
SOLDIER UPDATE?
YAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!
I am overcome with glee and happy thoughts! I had almost given up on my favorite little misinformed psychopath! I mean I have been playing huntsman sniper more often than him lately for god's sake!
But wait...he's friends with demoman? I hate demoman! Him and his evil little bombs that hide on control points and around corners, and kill sentry guns that I am trying to help the engy protect. It's not my fault I have a head full of eyeballs, maybe if he was sober more often he would still have all of his!
Post by: dragnar on December 09, 2009, 11:35:27 pm
Wait soldier update?Yes, but friendship ends in one day!
soldier update?
SOLDIER UPDATE?
YAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!
I am overcome with glee and happy thoughts! I had almost given up on my favorite little misinformed psychopath! I mean I have been playing huntsman sniper more often than him lately for god's sake!
But wait...he's friends with demoman? I hate demoman! Him and his evil little bombs that hide on control points and around corners, and kill sentry guns that I am trying to help the engy protect. It's not my fault I have a head full of eyeballs, maybe if he was sober more often he would still have all of his!
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 10, 2009, 12:06:51 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: LASD on December 10, 2009, 02:37:31 am
And Zai, I feel your pain, I've played some 60 hours on the DFC server alone (admittedly I don't really play anywhere else) and I've got no random hats. Naturally a friend I gifted the game to at the 2,50 sale, got his first after 7 hours. And of course it was a medic hat.
Post by: Charmander on December 10, 2009, 09:27:00 am
I'll be happy to get my sandvich back, but I wouldn't say no to a camerabeard or rubber chicken glove hat thing.
Post by: Nilocy on December 10, 2009, 09:38:11 am
Post by: chaoticag on December 10, 2009, 09:58:56 am
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on December 10, 2009, 10:32:30 am
Post by: chaoticag on December 10, 2009, 10:38:27 am
Post by: Jakkarra on December 10, 2009, 11:19:56 am
I request, Nay, DEMAND we place this on the server!
Also, Donation pending.
Post by: Eduren on December 10, 2009, 05:17:50 pm
- pl_swiftwater
- pl_cashworks
- cp_freight
- pl_frontier
- ctf_haarp
If you need links, I can provide. Otherwise, Google is your friend.
Post by: Zai on December 10, 2009, 07:25:07 pm
Map suggestions(I don't know what is already on there, so these are just what I would like to see):
All we have right now are stock maps, I believe.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 10, 2009, 07:41:40 pm
Post by: Nilocy on December 10, 2009, 09:47:48 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 10, 2009, 09:55:21 pm
New updated news. And its pretty big. You soldiers are GOING DAOWN(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/16918/802162-tf_heavy_clear_stickybombs_super.png)
Try me.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 10, 2009, 10:00:39 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 10, 2009, 10:00:45 pm
Post by: umiman on December 10, 2009, 10:02:34 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 10, 2009, 10:02:55 pm
GO SOLIDERRR
Post by: Greiger on December 10, 2009, 10:04:45 pm
Post by: umiman on December 10, 2009, 10:07:34 pm
Yea but generally newer players go soldier until they learn the basic game rules. Making such players easy points for the demonan's maggoty explodies.You quoteth nonsense! Everyone knows newbies only choose medic / pyro / heavy.
Edit: I always wondered what the soldier actually uses:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 10, 2009, 10:11:39 pm
(http://www.gamesprays.com/images/icons/tf2%20soldier%20spray_icon308.jpg)
I need not say anything. All that needs to be said already has.
Post by: Zai on December 10, 2009, 10:16:25 pm
But I play Soldier better right now, so I'd probably kill more Demos as Soldier than Soldiers as Demo during this week.
Are there "achievement" servers for this update up yet? As in, demo + soldier only or something like that?
Regardless, I am quite excited.
[PPE:] Umi speaks the truth; new players don't play Soldier too much. I know I didn't start playing Soldier until months after I started playing TF2. It's grown on me since then. But demo has a harder learning curve. Due to there being a curve in its weapons.
[PREDICTION:] They'll give both classes the extra 4th weapon. I'm hoping for this.
I really am excited. The only time I've gotten this excited in the past several years is for TF2 updates. I love this game.
Well. DF too, I guess.
[PPE2:] Soldier doesn't train for Demo. I guess it teaches you to time things, which both classes need, but the curve in the Demo's weapons at various points of charging can't be learned by playing Soldier.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 10, 2009, 10:17:06 pm
Post by: Zai on December 10, 2009, 10:22:37 pm
Post by: umiman on December 10, 2009, 10:23:48 pm
Bahahaha!
Post by: Zai on December 10, 2009, 10:33:22 pm
I hope they give pyro the last weapon just to screw with the rest of you.
Bahahaha!
That would be hilarious.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 10, 2009, 11:57:55 pm
This is because only the people with skill play them, and most new players play Soldier.
Post by: Megaman on December 11, 2009, 12:12:12 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 11, 2009, 12:21:24 am
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 11, 2009, 12:43:29 am
Post by: Cheeetar on December 11, 2009, 02:02:11 am
Post by: LASD on December 11, 2009, 03:48:39 am
The bottle it is! Soldiers, you might have twice the eyes, but after we cyclopses are done with you, there'll be ten of yours lying on the battleground for every one of ours!
Also, the release date is the 17th.
Post by: Siquo on December 11, 2009, 03:53:59 am
Newb Pyros are easy to see:
They don't (or won't) douse your flames if you're on fire.
They run at the enemy full frontal (NO! Flank or come from behind, bottom, or from the top! Corners are your friend!).
They don't spycheck.
They don't stay near the sentries.
And a good soldier is really hard to play against. The demo is admittedly harder to play decently, but to play really well the soldier is harder.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 11, 2009, 05:21:55 am
Post by: Metalax on December 11, 2009, 05:43:29 am
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u44/metalax/101209serveractivity.jpg)
As for the WAR:
"Not one of yers gonna survive this"
Post by: Volatar on December 11, 2009, 07:12:39 am
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 11, 2009, 11:26:19 am
Also, I have more then doubled my playtime with the demoman today. I can't believe I left him at the sidelines for so long. If you're prepared you can climb the highest mountain!
Post by: umiman on December 11, 2009, 01:14:11 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 11, 2009, 01:21:29 pm
I even used stickytraps and other such evil demoman tactics. I just usually got dissapointed when soldiers fell for them.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 11, 2009, 02:26:55 pm
Post by: Servant Corps on December 11, 2009, 02:39:10 pm
Quote from: Kentucket
Even though this update is fun it is fracturing the community to some extent. I mean I'm finding people not helping out friendly soldiers if there engaged in battle with an enemy demo, (And Vice Versa) and freaking medics who have "declared allegiance" to one side and refusing to heal the other.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.160935
I don't get it. Aren't you guys supposed to be fighting for massive mega-corporations wanting to expand their franschies? Why are the BLU and RED corporations suddenly focusing on this stupid civil war between classes?
Post by: dragnar on December 11, 2009, 02:50:25 pm
It appears there is some sort of conspiracy: the administrator(the announcer lady) seems to be working for BOTH sides.Quote from: KentucketEven though this update is fun it is fracturing the community to some extent. I mean I'm finding people not helping out friendly soldiers if there engaged in battle with an enemy demo, (And Vice Versa) and freaking medics who have "declared allegiance" to one side and refusing to heal the other.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.160935
I don't get it. Aren't you guys supposed to be fighting for massive mega-corporations wanting to expand their franschies? Why are the BLU and RED corporations suddenly focusing on this stupid civil war between classes?
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 11, 2009, 02:56:21 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 11, 2009, 03:01:15 pm
SOLDIER RAEGGGGGGGGGGG
GO SOLDIERRRRRRRRRRRRR
Post by: Eduren on December 11, 2009, 03:03:40 pm
The same thing happened with Halos. It will all blow over in a week or two.Quote from: KentucketEven though this update is fun it is fracturing the community to some extent. I mean I'm finding people not helping out friendly soldiers if there engaged in battle with an enemy demo, (And Vice Versa) and freaking medics who have "declared allegiance" to one side and refusing to heal the other.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 11, 2009, 03:06:04 pm
If Solider gets new weapon:
YEAH WE GOT NEW WERAPON, WE ARW BETTAT THAN UUUUU
If Solider doesn't get new weapon:
LOOK AT YOUR FACER, I I KILLED U EVEN WITH YER NEW GUNNN
Post by: Volatar on December 11, 2009, 03:26:57 pm
Post by: Aldaris on December 11, 2009, 04:13:49 pm
Then we started dicking around. It was glorious, and we made recordings.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 11, 2009, 04:15:58 pm
The game at the DFC server was awesome. One team: All demo. Other team: All solly.
Then we started dicking around. It was glorious, and we made recordings.
As they say, to YouTube!
Post by: Myroc on December 11, 2009, 04:17:21 pm
It appears there is some sort of conspiracy: the administrator(the announcer lady) seems to be working for BOTH sides.Actually, when in BLU, i heard her say "Why have you betrayed me?", indicating that this may be untrue.
Post by: dragnar on December 11, 2009, 04:34:31 pm
But according to the comic, she doesn't want the two teams finding out she announces for both of them.It appears there is some sort of conspiracy: the administrator(the announcer lady) seems to be working for BOTH sides.Actually, when in BLU, i heard her say "Why have you betrayed me?", indicating that this may be untrue.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 11, 2009, 04:48:27 pm
That's stilll minor due to them having almost 1.5 million each, but...
Post by: ToonyMan on December 11, 2009, 04:58:33 pm
Post by: Nilocy on December 11, 2009, 05:00:04 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Metalax on December 11, 2009, 06:17:31 pm
It appears there is some sort of conspiracy: the administrator(the announcer lady) seems to be working for BOTH sides.Actually, when in BLU, i heard her say "Why have you betrayed me?", indicating that this may be untrue.
Nope, she says the same when you are on red as well.
Post by: Jackrabbit on December 11, 2009, 07:14:12 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 11, 2009, 07:22:33 pm
I'm covering my face in the Photo! ( Middle Demo )
Post by: Jackrabbit on December 11, 2009, 07:24:12 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 11, 2009, 07:31:03 pm
I always wear the Beret, it's just that damn cool! the only other demo with it on was Nilocy, and he took the picture!
We should really get nine of the most active serverites and pose for a team photo...
I CALL SPY!
( We could do several teams of nine, all with different hats if at all possible, to distinguish, it'd be fun, C'MON!)
Post by: Jackrabbit on December 11, 2009, 07:32:13 pm
That'd be so boss. It would be so boss hog.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 11, 2009, 07:39:34 pm
I vote jackrabbit onto my team of nine.
Post by: Jackrabbit on December 11, 2009, 07:42:04 pm
:(
Post by: Jakkarra on December 11, 2009, 07:45:04 pm
Got any cash?
Nice, Cheap PCs (http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/)
Post by: Jackrabbit on December 11, 2009, 07:53:07 pm
Post by: Nilocy on December 11, 2009, 07:56:57 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 11, 2009, 08:01:01 pm
Post by: zchris13 on December 11, 2009, 08:06:35 pm
STOP DICKING AROUND AND KILL EACH OTHER
Post by: Jackrabbit on December 11, 2009, 08:10:01 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 11, 2009, 08:11:55 pm
I got a little confused there :P
God i love those craaaaaazy guys at valve. I would really love a job there...
Post by: Sowelu on December 11, 2009, 08:53:59 pm
I'm voting soldier (and barely helping out the cause), because I love playing against skilled soldiers, and I hate playing against skilled demomen. I'm okay at dodging rockets, and shooting soldiers out of the sky, but I'm terrible at avoiding flying stickies. Usually when I die to a soldier, it's because I didn't play as well as he did, and when I die to a demoman, it's because I had no way to dodge or see it coming.
Post by: Zai on December 11, 2009, 10:15:17 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 11, 2009, 10:28:25 pm
Also, i got over 100 points on a melee only round on our server just now!
Yay! (The next highest was nilocy, with around 40-50 points, i wasnt counting)
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 11, 2009, 10:37:50 pm
Post by: Zai on December 11, 2009, 10:38:58 pm
Argh, I'm impacting the Demo's chances more than I am helping it. I -really- need to play Soldier and die "accidentally" to demos
That's anti-team.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 11, 2009, 10:39:32 pm
Which would lead to some bizarre servers, full of soldiers and demomen trying to die as much as possible.
Dang it, just got double-ninja'd.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 11, 2009, 10:41:45 pm
Which would lead to some bizarre servers, full of soldiers and demomen trying to die as much as possible.
A server where everyone is trying to die by the enemy so nothing happens. XD
Post by: Zai on December 11, 2009, 10:42:44 pm
And where's my damn daily update?
Post by: Nilocy on December 11, 2009, 10:46:39 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 11, 2009, 11:11:33 pm
Post by: Sowelu on December 11, 2009, 11:18:02 pm
Or, you can play a class that's not part of the challenge, and attempt to wound your chosen targets for your favored class to finish them off. Or, if you want to be the BEST player ever--play as a medic, and stick to your soldier buddy!
Post by: Jakkarra on December 11, 2009, 11:27:35 pm
I hear there's some cash in that...
Post by: Mr.Person on December 12, 2009, 12:51:01 am
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 12, 2009, 04:51:35 am
Funness.
Favourite part.
Quote
"But wait! Against all the rules of contest creation, there is STILL MORE! Because even if you don’t win ANY of the prizes listed above, Gabe Newell might take a liking to your poster and AWARD SOME POINTS to the side of your choice in the Soldier/Demo War. Is this fair? No! Does Gabe care? Not even slightly!"
Post by: Metalax on December 12, 2009, 05:05:47 am
Post by: Aldaris on December 12, 2009, 05:12:21 am
Spoiler: PROPAGANDA! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sowelu on December 12, 2009, 07:09:43 am
Post by: Siquo on December 12, 2009, 07:23:03 am
Post by: Aldaris on December 12, 2009, 10:44:59 am
Post by: ToonyMan on December 12, 2009, 12:26:11 pm
GO SOLDIERRRRRR
Post by: Someguyo on December 12, 2009, 01:43:54 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is my work. I doubt it will win though :P
Post by: ToonyMan on December 12, 2009, 01:46:58 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 12, 2009, 05:18:17 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 12, 2009, 05:29:36 pm
I just turned on my FPS monitor while playing. The damn thing drops to a dead 10 fps every time I get close to somebody or bullets are being shot at me. As you can imagine, this makes it difficult to judge shots, where people are dodging to and how to backstab properly. Any advice on how to increase my FPS other than lowering the settings, or any non obvious settings in particular?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 12, 2009, 05:31:22 pm
I play on 640x480 all the time, it's mad fast for my 3 year old computer.
EDIT:
RAEG
WorkerDrone is like those grandpa's that force you to watch a long, boring movie with them and then fall asleep five minutes in.
[DFC] WorkerDrone: TOONYMAN.
[DFC] WorkerDrone: SERVER.
[DFC] WorkerDrone: NOW.
[DFC] WorkerDrone: I NEED TO BLOW YOU UP
[DFC] ToonyMan: Oh.
[DFC] ToonyMan: Alright.
[DFC] ToonyMan: I'll be demo.
[DFC] WorkerDrone: Okay.
[DFC] WorkerDrone: I'll be soldier.
[DFC] ToonyMan: >:[
[DFC] WorkerDrone: :D
[DFC] WorkerDrone is now playing Team Fortress 2. Click here to join.
[DFC] WorkerDrone is now playing Team Fortress 2. Click here to join.
[DFC] WorkerDrone is now Offline.
Post by: umiman on December 12, 2009, 05:51:24 pm
Post by: Sowelu on December 12, 2009, 07:29:11 pm
Lower the resolution.
I play on 640x480 all the time, it's mad fast for my 3 year old computer.
Seconded. So many people are obsessed with high res. Speed is WAY better than high res.
Post by: Volatar on December 12, 2009, 07:46:37 pm
Lower the resolution.
I play on 640x480 all the time, it's mad fast for my 3 year old computer.
Seconded. So many people are obsessed with high res. Speed is WAY better than high res.
I have the benefit of both ;D
Post by: Zai on December 12, 2009, 07:55:15 pm
I have the benefit of both ;D
But you have the detriment of EXTREME COWARD.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 12, 2009, 08:17:00 pm
On annother note, can anyone hear me when I use the mic? I've always had trouble getting the levels on it to work properly.
Post by: Zai on December 12, 2009, 08:24:58 pm
I'm lucky enough to have a fantastically powerful computer and thus get all kinds of wonderful graphics. However, I have a little cell-phone antenna internet connection and have to share the connection with everybody else. It's like a nuclear-powered submarine with a twelve-foot snorkel for air.
On annother note, can anyone hear me when I use the mic? I've always had trouble getting the levels on it to work properly.
You were saying you should get a mic when I was on. So I wouldn't know. =X
I should probably buy another mic as well; see if it's my audio card that won't recognize a mic (pretty sure that's it), or if the mic I have is just complete crap. I meant to test this with my laptop that has a mic built in (as in, I already know its audio card is fine and dandy), but before I got around to it, the laptop was...compromised. I need to wipe it and reload XP on it.
Post by: umiman on December 12, 2009, 08:50:36 pm
The only thing I don't have is good ping (200+) on the DFC server, hahaha. Still doesn't stop me from getting top scores though.
Zai: I think audio cards that don't support mikes haven't been built in... 20 years.
Post by: Thexor on December 12, 2009, 09:09:51 pm
On annother note, can anyone hear me when I use the mic? I've always had trouble getting the levels on it to work properly.
Try putting "voice_loopback 1" into the console - it'll let you hear your own voice. It's disorientating, but at least it provides accurate results (unlike that silly mike test thingy). Once you've got an acceptable volume, turn it off with "voice_loopback 0" and you're good to go!
Post by: Zai on December 12, 2009, 09:59:26 pm
Zai: I think audio cards that don't support mikes haven't been built in... 20 years.
Nono. It "supports" them. It just doesn't recognize when I plug mine in.
Oh. And apologies to PTTG for possibly ruining his fun by constantly backstabbing him when he made it almost to the cart as Heavy every time. Wasted several minutes doing that.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 12, 2009, 10:00:59 pm
Post by: Metalax on December 12, 2009, 10:10:34 pm
On annother note, can anyone hear me when I use the mic? I've always had trouble getting the levels on it to work properly.
I was able to hear you fine while we were playing so it looks like it's working.
Good games tonight after I got back from the pub. With a couple of excessively good random snipers for a while.(and yes I checked then out, they weren't aim-boting as some thought afaict, they were missing far to often for that)
Post by: Zai on December 12, 2009, 10:15:28 pm
(and yes I checked then out, they weren't aim-boting as some thought afaict, they were missing far to often for that)
Jakkarra just likes to yell HAX0RZ!!!!
Post by: Metalax on December 12, 2009, 10:21:51 pm
Post by: Zai on December 12, 2009, 11:01:52 pm
When the hell are they going to reveal my new weapons? ;_;
Post by: umiman on December 12, 2009, 11:02:12 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 12, 2009, 11:20:36 pm
CRAFTING CRAFTING CRAFTING CRAFTING CRAFTING CRAFTING CRAFTING CRAFTINGI concur. I concur. I concur. I concur. I concur. I concur. I concur. I concur.
Post by: Eduren on December 12, 2009, 11:21:55 pm
So we get crafting (http://www.teamfortress.com/crafting/) in the next update.And more Saxton Hale (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/saxtonhale/).
When the hell are they going to reveal my new weapons? ;_;
and a hidden page (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/saxtonhale/poopyjoe.htm).
Post by: Jackrabbit on December 12, 2009, 11:24:46 pm
My heart stopped. Before I started reading. Then is started again because I just couldn't miss out on the awesomeness.
Post by: Zai on December 12, 2009, 11:28:19 pm
So we get crafting (http://www.teamfortress.com/crafting/) in the next update.And more Saxton Hale (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/saxtonhale/).
When the hell are they going to reveal my new weapons? ;_;
and a hidden page (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/saxtonhale/poopyjoe.htm).
Actually, a vague (and likely not completed) model of Hale is on the Crafting page.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 12, 2009, 11:40:09 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 12, 2009, 11:41:51 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 13, 2009, 12:04:34 am
EVER
TAKE MY KRITZKRIEG COLLECTION
Post by: dragnar on December 13, 2009, 12:06:25 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on December 13, 2009, 12:08:31 am
You will make an ENERGY PISSVICH
This is the greatest thing I have ever heard ever.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 13, 2009, 12:19:39 am
And it's MINE! >:OYou will make an ENERGY PISSVICH
This is the greatest thing I have ever heard ever.
Post by: Zai on December 13, 2009, 12:26:47 am
Aww, I throw away duplicates...
Same.
NOT ANYMORE.
Post by: umiman on December 13, 2009, 12:45:15 am
Post by: Cheeetar on December 13, 2009, 12:47:07 am
And by stopped, I mean that the kills from the server aren't recorded.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 13, 2009, 01:09:23 am
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 13, 2009, 01:10:28 am
Post by: Mr.Person on December 13, 2009, 04:02:17 am
Several ideas:
Bonk Helmet + Jarate = Jarate Helmet
Sandvich + Sandvich + Sandvich + Sanvich + Sandvich + Blutsauger = Syringwich Gun
Bill's Hat + Gentle Mann's Service Medal = M1 Garand
Ghastly Gibus + Jarate = Golden Top Hat
Jarate + Bonk! + Sandvich = Full English
Backburner + Razorback = Razorbackburner (Shield that makes the Sniper unable to light on fire and take half damage from flame attacks)
Bill's Hat + Blutsauger = PILLS PILLS PILLS PILLS
Killing Gloves of Boxing + Fingerless Chicken Glove = Fingerless Glove of Chicken Killing
Jarate + Sandman = Jar-Batty
Axetinguisher + Ubersaw = Rock Hero the Guitar Band (A guitar as a melee weapon for the engineer. Can't upgrade or repair structures, but can play it to buff nearby teamates somehow)
I bet Valve screws up big time and only includes crap.
Post by: umiman on December 13, 2009, 04:53:36 am
Post by: Metalax on December 13, 2009, 06:03:11 am
So we get crafting (http://www.teamfortress.com/crafting/) in the next update.
And of course this happens the day after I cleared my inventory of duplicate weapons. Have to see if you can make anything from vast quantities of sandvith's and jarate.
Post by: LASD on December 13, 2009, 06:43:05 am
Yeah, it isn't that long ago when I purged my whole inventory of all duplicates. I got annoyed of having to scroll to change to the weapon I want. Since then I've found 9 weapons, but It would've been a lot more fun to have 50 things to work on.So we get crafting (http://www.teamfortress.com/crafting/) in the next update.
And of course this happens the day after I cleared my inventory of duplicate weapons. Have to see if you can make anything from vast quantities of sandvith's and jarate.
Crafting seems cool though and my "Yaaaay!" after every weapon I find will be a lot less ironic from this day onwards.
Crafting doesn't give you new items. It only gives you items that already exist.However you can craft the new unlocks for solly and demo before reaching the milestones.
Also, I wonder if hat-crafting is just changing hats to other hats or if combining 12 Jarates will give you a Master's Yellow Belt.
Post by: Metalax on December 13, 2009, 07:15:00 am
Post by: Sowelu on December 13, 2009, 08:40:36 am
So we get crafting (http://www.teamfortress.com/crafting/) in the next update.
When the hell are they going to reveal my new weapons? ;_;
I suspect they already have, in the secret page. The secret page mentions items associated with the monkey that died horribly on the launch pad. The items in the comic that were going to be delivered to the Administrator were the items left over from the failed monkey-launch.
Consider. GIANT SWORD. The Demoman is a Scotsman, and what would a Scotsman be without his Claymore? The picture could be a Claymore. And Claymore originally meant "GIANT SWORD" in Gaelic. So, uh...case closed, in my book. Then again I never thought Jarate would make it into the game.
The pickaxe...well, the soldier already gets a shovel, which is also a digging tool. Meh, it's not the strongest proof in the world.
The bugle: Lets you "launch another monkey into space". Well, currently there's no way to rocketjump/grenadejump your allies. I can imagine that being able to push your teammates around would be a griefer's paradise. But it would also be a pretty awesome tool, to be able to blast a friendly sniper up to a secluded ledge. Or launch a friendly engineer to a place that even creative teleporting can't get him. I could imagine either character, maybe more likely the soldier, getting a new primary weapon nicknamed "the bugle".
Okay, so only the GIANT SWORD really makes sense. But at this point I would be surprised if the Demoman didn't get the GIANT SWORD. Would it replace the bottle, giving him a slow but immensely powerful weapon? Would it replace the sticky launcher, giving him power at the expense of versatility? Or could it grant him speed instead of extra melee power, because if there's one thing you imagine when you think of Scotsmen, it's kilt-clad men charging downhill at you?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 13, 2009, 08:48:04 am
Then again... (http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/halolz-dot-com-teamfortress2-soldierupdate-screamingeagles.jpg)
Post by: Sowelu on December 13, 2009, 08:50:46 am
I can TOTALLY imagine that as a real, actual Valve update.
That shows how awesome both the artist AND Valve are.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 13, 2009, 09:45:51 am
A bugle that lets you call in MONKEY-BASED AIR STRIKES.
WANT.
Post by: Myroc on December 13, 2009, 10:23:57 am
Consider. GIANT SWORD. The Demoman is a Scotsman, and what would a Scotsman be without his Claymore? The picture could be a Claymore. And Claymore originally meant "GIANT SWORD" in Gaelic. So, uh...case closed, in my book. Then again I never thought Jarate would make it into the game.Also: There's a kind of explosive called "Claymore", i believe.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 13, 2009, 10:31:22 am
Post by: Sowelu on December 13, 2009, 10:34:51 am
As for the claymore mines / claymore sword, yeah, it's a pun that could go either way. On one hand you have a simple mine that is in-theme, with a name that's kind of a pun on his being a scotsman. On the other hand, it's a SWORD, how much sense does that make in this game? My vote is still for the sword.
Post by: Greiger on December 13, 2009, 10:58:43 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 13, 2009, 12:03:00 pm
Oooh! Sneaky find!On the other hand you could have a Claymore sword with a Claymore explosive duct taped to it...
As for the claymore mines / claymore sword, yeah, it's a pun that could go either way. On one hand you have a simple mine that is in-theme, with a name that's kind of a pun on his being a scotsman. On the other hand, it's a SWORD, how much sense does that make in this game? My vote is still for the sword.
Post by: Sowelu on December 13, 2009, 12:42:05 pm
Oooh! Sneaky find!On the other hand you could have a Claymore sword with a Claymore explosive duct taped to it...
As for the claymore mines / claymore sword, yeah, it's a pun that could go either way. On one hand you have a simple mine that is in-theme, with a name that's kind of a pun on his being a scotsman. On the other hand, it's a SWORD, how much sense does that make in this game? My vote is still for the sword.
And the Claymore explosive shoots swords!
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 13, 2009, 01:27:37 pm
I was being serious. ;)Oooh! Sneaky find!On the other hand you could have a Claymore sword with a Claymore explosive duct taped to it...
As for the claymore mines / claymore sword, yeah, it's a pun that could go either way. On one hand you have a simple mine that is in-theme, with a name that's kind of a pun on his being a scotsman. On the other hand, it's a SWORD, how much sense does that make in this game? My vote is still for the sword.
And the Claymore explosive shoots swords!
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=899718
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 13, 2009, 01:29:09 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 13, 2009, 02:15:03 pm
Maybe 2 razorbacks together will craft a super backpack you can trap other players in so they have to restart TF2 to continue playing.No, silly. It would make a shock trap the zaps whoever walks through. :3
Post by: Aldaris on December 13, 2009, 03:59:37 pm
Post by: Nilocy on December 13, 2009, 06:37:30 pm
Has ANYBODY uploaded Friday's recordings yet? Anyone?
I don't think so, I'll get on the guys tail who did... that patrick man.
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrEXx8DxsSI
Post by: Eduren on December 15, 2009, 01:21:04 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 15, 2009, 01:43:27 am
Although I have to say the shield threw me off.
Post by: Sowelu on December 15, 2009, 01:44:19 am
I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO PROUD OF MY SCOTTISH HERITAGE THAN TODAY.
Also, the demoman's CANONICAL name is Tavish Degroot. Awesomesauce.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 15, 2009, 01:50:44 am
Not only a sword but a shield that gives 65% blast damage resistance, AND the ability to charge and essentially crit at will with ranged weapons. Oh man. Demo = hardcore Soldier counter.Uh... what?
And don't get yer hopes up... *rocket jumps onto a street lamp*
Post by: Sowelu on December 15, 2009, 01:51:29 am
But still. Holy cow. Demo is now a counter to the Pyro, too. Yeah, sure, just TRY me in melee.
/has now changed sides from Soldier to Demo.
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on December 15, 2009, 04:02:42 am
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 15, 2009, 04:13:04 am
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on December 15, 2009, 04:24:13 am
Post by: Eduren on December 15, 2009, 04:39:50 am
I'm hoping for a mortar type weapon that relies on teammates spotting targets with a voice command like the medic button, and you can supply indirect fire.I hope not.
Post by: dragnar on December 15, 2009, 04:52:29 am
Yeah, that would be really overpowered on some maps: one spy could blow up half the enemy team without even uncloaking. Plus it really doesn't fit the theme of the game.I'm hoping for a mortar type weapon that relies on teammates spotting targets with a voice command like the medic button, and you can supply indirect fire.I hope not.
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on December 15, 2009, 05:03:43 am
Maybe a grenade launcher that has it's bullets explode on contact hit with anything rather than bounce around. Have the rounds much heavier so they arc more reload slower and do more damage. This would full my mortary needs.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 15, 2009, 05:10:10 am
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 15, 2009, 06:08:56 am
However, this shield sounds like an excellent weapon for charging soldiers. With the resistance to explosives it's going to take more then 4 rockets to keep us out of melee range. And with the flame protection those pansy soldiers will be running back to the heavy for cover like little mama's boys.
Post by: Nilocy on December 15, 2009, 07:29:21 am
Post by: umiman on December 15, 2009, 08:24:43 am
I might switch primary class...
Post by: Greiger on December 15, 2009, 08:50:13 am
...But... sword.... I want a sword... why can't I have a sword... Bah! I bet the soldier weapon is a bigger sword! With spikes that shoot swords! That fire sword beams when you have all your hearts! And turns into a giant eagle when you push a button so you could fly around raining rockets! That's the ticket!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 15, 2009, 08:58:50 am
Soldier is unbeatable! It will take more than a damned sword to beat us!Now you know my hopes and dreams for the soldier update.
...But... sword.... I want a sword... why can't I have a sword... Bah! I bet the soldier weapon is a bigger eagle! With spikes that shoot eagles! That fire eagle beams when you have all your hearts! And turns into a giant sword when you push a button so you could fly around raining eagles! That's the ticket!
Too bad the items are all released at once and thus nobody can actually use the demoman weapon to increase the kill-count.
Post by: umiman on December 15, 2009, 09:03:49 am
Post by: PTTG?? on December 15, 2009, 10:57:44 am
Valve has become the collective master of dramatic pacing and timing; more than any other development group, they know how to make an update cycle into a carefully balanced rollercoaster ride of excitement. I'm pretty much certain that the Demo is going to take the lead for a while- and then the soldier's going to get a modified machine gun or something, and the balance will shift again.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 15, 2009, 12:48:24 pm
Too bad Soldier is my man.
Post by: dragnar on December 15, 2009, 01:21:32 pm
Soldier is unbeatable! It will take more than a damned sword to beat us!This plan brought to you by: Fighter McWarrior
...But... sword.... I want a sword... why can't I have a sword... Bah! I bet the soldier weapon is a bigger sword! With spikes that shoot swords! That fire sword beams when you have all your hearts! And turns into a giant eagle when you push a button so you could fly around raining rockets! That's the ticket!
Edit:
Quote
The Chargin’ Targe solves a centuries-old Scottish riddle, which is that shields exist. True, the shield might block the occasional sword blow. However, they are essentially weapons to be used for hiding behind, and this is a concept the average Scotsman does not understand. “If I were to pick up this cowering-plate, I would have to put down my second sword.”And now I want to duel-wield eyelanders...
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 15, 2009, 03:16:19 pm
Now when are the rest of the "Meet the...___________" going to come out?
Post by: Volatar on December 15, 2009, 03:24:28 pm
Now when are the rest of the "Meet the...___________" going to come out?
Only the Medic and Pyro are left.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 15, 2009, 03:37:01 pm
My war poster submission.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 15, 2009, 03:40:08 pm
Post by: Zai on December 15, 2009, 05:40:48 pm
Maybe the soldier gets a chainsaw. Rocket launcher. Chainsaw rocket launcher.
Do want.
And now I want to duel-wield eyelanders...
Ah, but you can! The unknown third weapon is...ANOTHER SWORD!!!
But really. These 2 weapons don't really fit in with the demolition man. The 3rd better or damn it, I'm seriously going to play demo to help it get the 4th weapon that will be demo-related (I've been half-heartedly playing Demo to provide easy kills for opposing Soldiers). However, it does tie in with his Scottish heritage.
But I'm excited for the Demo's new stuff regardless. I'll definitely be playing Demo more. This has to be the most playstyle-affecting class update yet. I'm eager to see the 3rd Demo weapon and all the Soldier weapons.
And I still think both Soldier and Demo will get a 4th weapon. This will likely be due to Soldier and Demo killing each other at the same time in the story. Or neither will get it, because the power of friendship overpowers their competition.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 15, 2009, 05:51:04 pm
Post by: dragnar on December 15, 2009, 05:57:23 pm
Currently, the Demoman isn't the most useful guy on the front lines. I'm betting Valve made the Eyelander and the Chargin' Targe to give him the extra kick he needs for offense.He is a defense class(not that I'm complaining mind you).
It wouldn't surprise me if they release an extra weapon for ALL the classes before long, otherwise people will complain that the demo/soldier have more weapons than them.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 15, 2009, 06:15:41 pm
people will complainFixed.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 15, 2009, 06:18:29 pm
Defend as scouts! Attack as engineers! It's all useful!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 15, 2009, 06:25:39 pm
I don't care about no label for classes.Surprisingly yes. Defense scouts can do hell, and you need engineers to make forward bases.
Defend as scouts! Attack as engineers! It's all useful!
Post by: Jakkarra on December 15, 2009, 06:31:27 pm
I was TRYING to build my Sneak-Teleporter, got it up, and then ported through it to try to be a sneaky git and build it even further in, got too cocky, and those guys saw me.
Blasted the solly with my pistol untill i remembered i owned a shotgun, all while they were both firin' at me, and blew them both away.
I then proceeded to get UBERSAW'D before i could get my 'porter up.
It was hilarious all the same, i think they may have been Nubs.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 15, 2009, 06:35:13 pm
I don't care about no label for classes.Assault engineers: Placing 99 cent store sentries in places you thought were safe.
Defend as scouts! Attack as engineers! It's all useful!
Post by: Jakkarra on December 15, 2009, 06:52:06 pm
I just saw a post done by you.
SHadow.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 15, 2009, 06:57:05 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 15, 2009, 06:59:21 pm
Post by: Zai on December 15, 2009, 09:17:00 pm
Currently, the Demoman isn't the most useful guy on the front lines. I'm betting Valve made the Eyelander and the Chargin' Targe to give him the extra kick he needs for offense.That's how the Sniper update was too. The Huntsman doesn't have as long of a reload time (that I can tell at least) (and also doesn't have the scope, though that's seemingly compensated by being more forgiving in regards to headshots compared to unscoped rifle), allowing for quicker firing when it's necessary on offense (and defense), and Jarate made it more of a team-player (unlike on 2Fort a lot of the time, where Snipers will just kill other Snipers, ignoring the needs of their team), making Sniper more useful when it comes to team charges.
I really want to see the remaining weapons. Valve really does know how to make the TF2 updates suspenseful and exciting.
Post by: Sowelu on December 15, 2009, 09:36:35 pm
Eyelander looks good on offense and defense because, hey, pyro is good on defense too. You lurk around a corner, and bam.
Really though, it just looks more FUN to play against an Eyelander demo, and the class is still absurdly skill-based. Against a demo noob who can't hit you with grenades/stickies anyway, you'll kill him a little easier because he starts out with less life. Against a very skilled one, he'll have tons of life and speed...but at least he can't stickybomb your sentry or air-burst you, which is a huge comfort to me.
My personal guess is that the third weapon IS a different melee/secondary, because really, the grenade launcher is a little too perfect of a weapon. I mean, if you take a demoman and get rid of his stickies, he's still got his primary 'nades and he still feels at lieast a little bit like the same class. If you take away his grenades though, it's a real big change. It could be another moderate change like the other classes get--I dunno, maybe grenades that detonate on impact with the ground instead of bouncing or have less damage more blast area--but, eh.
I'm hoping that the demoman's fourth weapon, if he gets it, turns out to be a detpack like in TFC...
Post by: Zai on December 15, 2009, 10:26:26 pm
I'm hoping that the demoman's fourth weapon, if he gets it, turns out to be a detpack like in TFC...
At first I thought you misspelled "jetpack", and I was gonna say that Soldier deserves a Jetpack more than the Demo (which he does
[EDIT:] SEMI-UPDATE FOR SOLDIER (http://www.teamfortress.com/soldierupdate/index.htm).
Post by: umiman on December 15, 2009, 11:02:19 pm
Edit: This guy (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1067002) makes a lot of sense.
Post by: Zai on December 15, 2009, 11:26:00 pm
Edit: This guy (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1067002) makes a lot of sense.Oh god don't get my hopes up.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 15, 2009, 11:33:57 pm
Post by: Megaman on December 15, 2009, 11:40:16 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 15, 2009, 11:52:03 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 15, 2009, 11:59:22 pm
Keep that in mind.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 16, 2009, 02:24:19 am
The The Direct Hit (http://www.teamfortress.com/soldierupdate/index.htm#item_1).
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 16, 2009, 02:26:13 am
Post by: Jakkarra on December 16, 2009, 02:27:11 am
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 16, 2009, 02:29:07 am
That's how the Sniper update was too. The Huntsman doesn't have as long of a reload time (that I can tell at least) (and also doesn't have the scope, though that's seemingly compensated by being more forgiving in regards to headshots compared to unscoped rifle), allowing for quicker firing when it's necessary on offense (and defense), and Jarate made it more of a team-player (unlike on 2Fort a lot of the time, where Snipers will just kill other Snipers, ignoring the needs of their team), making Sniper more useful when it comes to team charges.They also wanted to give other players more of a chance to spot, dodge and counterattack snipers. They provided incentives for snipers to get closer, including the advantage being able to charge your shots without a fisheye scope gives against spies and scouts at close range.
Stickies, like long-ranged headshots, often don't give other players much chance to respond. The only way to make sure you don't get insta-gibbed by a bunch of stickies around the corner is to make a target out of yourself by carefully checking every doorway. The shield provides incentives to charge at the enemy instead of camping around a corner.
Or it could be the other way around and during testing demoman would plant a bunch of stickies and stand at a distance waiting with the shield out to protect themselves from flares and rockets.
Also, would soldiers with that new rocketlauncher have more trouble taking out scouts?
Post by: Jakkarra on December 16, 2009, 02:30:20 am
Zai already mentioned the new rocket launcher...
Post by: chaoticag on December 16, 2009, 03:19:57 am
Scooter Resting. Scorpion Rescue. Scowling Resume. Or, Sco Res. Scores. Whatever that means. Damn I need more sleep and also need to think about TF2 less.Actually, there was a scorpion launcher in Turok II that my brother used to constantly kill me with when playing a monkey mode. Too big of a coincidence to pass up posting.
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on December 16, 2009, 03:49:21 am
Post by: Metalax on December 16, 2009, 04:22:55 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 16, 2009, 05:02:03 am
CUVILIAN!
Post by: Cheeetar on December 16, 2009, 06:27:19 am
Heh, I have no problem dodging arrows, I'm not going to have a problem dodging that silly thing. I hope...
Edit: This guy (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1067002) makes a lot of sense.
Or (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1067040)
"I will put my boot so far up your ass it will be on the news"
in the comic.
With the newspaper having a boot print on it.
Edit:Spelling/grammar stuff up
Post by: Nilocy on December 16, 2009, 10:31:07 am
Post by: dragnar on December 16, 2009, 11:20:01 am
Edit: This guy (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1067002) makes a lot of sense.There's also the newspaper for the crafting update: "Will science end the war?" with a picture of the engineer, who has apparently proclaimed himself to be "science".
Maybe the crafting system will be released, and the soldier/demoman will just build themselves new weapons instead of fighting for them.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 16, 2009, 11:29:24 am
Do you think the soldiers name is a reference to Josh Whedons Firefly? The manliest character having a girls name?John Doe is used as a placeholder for a male name that is unknown damn near everywhere.
Post by: Greiger on December 16, 2009, 11:29:44 am
Post by: chaoticag on December 16, 2009, 11:33:18 am
You missed the point though, the door said "Jane Doe".Do you think the soldiers name is a reference to Josh Whedons Firefly? The manliest character having a girls name?John Doe is used as a placeholder for a male name that is unknown damn near everywhere.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 16, 2009, 11:35:38 am
Though using one of the less common ones would have been funny though, i believe John and Jane Roe are used as well, as are a couple others.
Post by: Aldaris on December 16, 2009, 03:41:51 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 16, 2009, 04:06:36 pm
He decides to wage a one-man war against me! Just because i have a few less points than him!
(And dominates me, likely because of the HUGE amounts of help he got :/ That, and the whole, he changes to my counter as soon as he sees me dealy)
Post by: Siquo on December 16, 2009, 04:39:31 pm
Well, maybe you were just in his way.
The alltalk became eerily silent after you died, though, you talk more than my girlfriend, and whenever she breathes, words come along with it.
Post by: The Doctor on December 16, 2009, 04:41:41 pm
It came to a head in L4D2 when I almost got kicked out because I talk about whatever, and they just wanted to play the game, not have a conversation except for when a witch or jockey or whatever appears.
So, I quieted down...
And talk just as much as before when I'm NOT playing with these guys! :D
Post by: chaoticag on December 16, 2009, 04:59:15 pm
I guess every language has one of those. (Dutch: Jan de Vries)Arabic has Fulan to describe any anonimous person. Although it seems to be pronounced Flan here.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 16, 2009, 05:27:29 pm
But that would have been creepy!
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 16, 2009, 06:13:00 pm
This or soldiers will probably start teaming up with airblasting pyros to get aerial mini-crits.
Post by: Zai on December 16, 2009, 07:01:29 pm
This things is going to be brilliant, i just need to avoid a direct hit now, no more splash damage givin' me away!...Direct Hit isn't replacing regular rocket launcher. It's just an alternative; people will use whichever they like better or whichever is better for a given situation.
Oh...If we're giving "credit" around, give it to SHAD0W. He's the one who told me last night.
Zai already mentioned the new rocket launcher...
This or soldiers will probably start teaming up with airblasting pyros to get aerial mini-crits.Oh my. I hadn't thought of that. But it'll probably start out like the Sniper update did: "Light your arrow? I don't get any points out of that, so no."
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 16, 2009, 07:13:14 pm
More of these updates should have features that would go well with pyro teamwork but will never be utilized because of, well, pyro teamwork.This or soldiers will probably start teaming up with airblasting pyros to get aerial mini-crits.Oh my. I hadn't thought of that. But it'll probably start out like the Sniper update did: "Light your arrow? I don't get any points out of that, so no."
Post by: ToonyMan on December 16, 2009, 07:15:11 pm
Post by: dragnar on December 16, 2009, 08:33:56 pm
But for a while EVERYONE who can get ahold of the thing will be using it. Go spies!This things is going to be brilliant, i just need to avoid a direct hit now, no more splash damage givin' me away!...Direct Hit isn't replacing regular rocket launcher. It's just an alternative; people will use whichever they like better or whichever is better for a given situation.
Post by: Zai on December 16, 2009, 08:47:39 pm
Only when they first get it. After most realize they're terrible with it, they'll switch back. And you've also got to factor in the amount of Soldiers using RL to get the achievements that allow you to get the Direct Hit for the actual % of Soldiers using either weapon at update-release.But for a while EVERYONE who can get ahold of the thing will be using it. Go spies!This things is going to be brilliant, i just need to avoid a direct hit now, no more splash damage givin' me away!...Direct Hit isn't replacing regular rocket launcher. It's just an alternative; people will use whichever they like better or whichever is better for a given situation.
Wait. Why am I trying to apply mathematics to Soldier? The 2 don't go together very well. Math doesn't go together with TF2 itself very well either, aside from maybe Engy with his SCIENCE!!
[EDIT:] It's hard to imagine the update is coming out tomorrow, with what little info we have of it at this moment (less than half of the new weapons). But it has to, as Valve is advertising the free weekend as including the update.
[EDIT 2:] "Give 'em the boot, right in the fruit" wins the Propaganda Contest.
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However, the recession must be a lot worse than we thought, because apparently all of you are unemployed and have nothing better to do than spend real hours drawing incredibly time-consuming art for virtual prizes.
Post by: umiman on December 17, 2009, 02:21:10 am
Post by: Eduren on December 17, 2009, 02:30:29 am
Rest of the weapons revealed. Honestly, I'm not too impressed with the last bit or any of the soldier's weapons.I strongly disagree.
Copy-pasted from another discussion of mine.
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Bugle: This could be a similar mechanic to the Ubercharge. It is meant to make the game more dynamic and is an excellent push tool. I really look forward to seeing how this changes gameplay in both pubs and comps.
Pickaxe: A similar idea to the Demo's sword in that its effect changes with over time. I like.
ScoRe: I really hope that the point-detonate mechanic has no range to it. Stickytrapping both exits in gravelpit anybody? The ultimate defensive weapon.
Post by: umiman on December 17, 2009, 02:41:22 am
No shock value. Doesn't convey the sense of "oooh yeah!!! I'mma holding a hugeass sword and coming for your lanky ass boy-o!"
Post by: LASD on December 17, 2009, 03:41:43 am
Another peculiar thing was Soldiers "Spray of Defeat"-achievement. "Use a grenade to gib a player"? Where does he get that from?
Post by: Sowelu on December 17, 2009, 04:01:18 am
Another peculiar thing was Soldiers "Spray of Defeat"-achievement. "Use a grenade to gib a player"? Where does he get that from?
Clearly, from the same place he gets his grenades in his shotgun taunt! I'm guessing it's a new-weapon-only tauntkill.
I really like the Scottish Resistance. I'm guessing any stickies onscreen blow up. Will be very nice for defending, say, the flag room in CTF_Well, with multiple entrances. Drop four stickies on the flag, then go around mining ALL the entrances.
But I gotta say, when I read the description for the bugle, I thought "Team Fortress of Warcraft"... It's awesome, and fits my playing style great if I lived long enough to use it, but still!
Post by: Cheeetar on December 17, 2009, 04:38:58 am
Edit: I knew 'asumming' looked weird.
Post by: Sowelu on December 17, 2009, 04:48:03 am
Nah, I think it's a tauntkill for sure. Besides, why make an achievement for a weapon you might not even get?
Post by: Cheeetar on December 17, 2009, 05:31:43 am
I also do not support the return of grenades, but I think they might return. I don't see how a taunt kill could include a grenade.
Post by: Siquo on December 17, 2009, 05:42:46 am
Post by: Eduren on December 17, 2009, 05:49:06 am
I'm assuming that the grenade is his fourth secret weapon.Nope, it was confirmed to be his tauntkill.
Edit: I knew 'asumming' looked weird.
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QuoteThis weapon also has the Soldier's associated kill taunt. When you taunt with the Equalizer he will toss the weapon aside, remove one of his chest grenades, and blow himself and any enemies nearby sky high. (The taunt anim plays at a slow speed like other kill taunts, so it isn't trivial to pull it off. The damage radius is very tight as well.)
Just to clarify, that's from an e-mail sent to the original designer by the TF2 team.
Post by: Someguyo on December 17, 2009, 05:49:46 am
Post by: Cheeetar on December 17, 2009, 05:52:05 am
Oh, cool.I'm assuming that the grenade is his fourth secret weapon.Nope, it was confirmed to be his tauntkill.
Edit: I knew 'asumming' looked weird.QuoteQuoteThis weapon also has the Soldier's associated kill taunt. When you taunt with the Equalizer he will toss the weapon aside, remove one of his chest grenades, and blow himself and any enemies nearby sky high. (The taunt anim plays at a slow speed like other kill taunts, so it isn't trivial to pull it off. The damage radius is very tight as well.)
Just to clarify, that's from an e-mail sent to the original designer by the TF2 team.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 17, 2009, 05:52:22 am
Post by: Zai on December 17, 2009, 08:33:49 am
I'm hoping (no longer thinking it'll happen) that they'll give both a 4th weapon, and maybe surprise us at the last minute with the engy update.
[EDIT:] And yeah. Whoever said the stuff on the Monkey (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/saxtonhale/poopyjoe.htm) page would be the weapons, you were right. The last one (the explosion) is either a hint at a 4th weapon, referencing the Soldier's new taunt, or was just for fun.
Post by: Sowelu on December 17, 2009, 09:02:41 am
And...hmm. If it's a weapon that EITHER class could get. Umm... Replacement secondary that makes the primary weapon ALSO set people on fire, or also be radioactive, or god-knows-what? I mean, they both explode so yeah, something that changes that could work for both.
Also, it's pretty awesome to know that not only do they actually read the suggestions forums, but they go and quietly implement a lot of the stuff they read about and playtest it to see if it works. The answer in most cases is "no it doesn't", but still, cool!
Post by: Mr.Person on December 17, 2009, 02:32:52 pm
Since that's Valve time, the war ends sometime in the next 6 hours.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 17, 2009, 03:01:01 pm
And I'm halfway through watching The Secret of NIMH! Dammit, they should know I can't just put a classic down!
Post by: Metalax on December 17, 2009, 03:41:21 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 17, 2009, 03:42:06 pm
Post by: Charmander on December 17, 2009, 04:08:04 pm
She's got it going on.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 17, 2009, 04:24:16 pm
Post by: dragnar on December 17, 2009, 04:46:19 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 17, 2009, 04:47:00 pm
Edit: Also, I just caught Robin Walker after he landed in the nearby bushes. Apparently he was launched away by a recent explosion and needed some help. In exchange, he revealed to me how this is all going to go down.
While he was adamant on keeping who the winner was a secret(He kept on saying strange things like "Not even I'm sure now."), he said that there would be a big reveal on who the winner is. They would say a few words of victory, and look around for their weapon. Then the other guy comes and blows him away with the superweapon. And judging that the weapon blew Robin Walker all the way out here, I'm guessing it's a low-damage super knockback weapon.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 17, 2009, 08:02:20 pm
Post by: Nilocy on December 17, 2009, 08:29:21 pm
Post by: Metalax on December 17, 2009, 08:29:37 pm
Post by: Charmander on December 17, 2009, 08:33:10 pm
Looks like they're tonin' back the Sandman, too. Only stuns on a max-range ball. Otherwise you just run like a girly, it seems.
ALSO CAMERABEARD AND HAT AT THE SAME TIME
BEST UPDATE EVER
Okay, had a quick look at the crafting:
You're gonna need lots of duplicates.
Like, three to make scrap metal, three of those to make refined metal, and three of THOSE to make a nonspecific hat.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 17, 2009, 08:43:55 pm
Post by: Metalax on December 17, 2009, 08:52:11 pm
Post by: Gaulgath on December 17, 2009, 08:59:44 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 17, 2009, 09:02:46 pm
SOLDIER WON
I- I... I don't know what to say.
Well, besides...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ToonyMan on December 17, 2009, 09:07:36 pm
This wasn't even a contest.
Gun boots for the win. So sweet.
Post by: Metalax on December 17, 2009, 09:08:33 pm
-----
METAL CREATION
Metal is used to fabricate new items
Smelt Primary Weapons
3 of Same Primary Weapons = 1 Scrap Metal
Smelt Secondary Weapons
3 of Same Secondary Weapons = 1 Scrap Metal
Smelt Melee Weapons
3 of Same Melee Weapons = 1 Scrap Metal
Smelt Class Weapons
1 Primary Weapon + 1 Secondary Weapon + 1 Melee Weapon (Or equivalent) from a single class = 1 Scrap Metal
METAL UPGRADES
Better Forms of Metal
Combine Scrap Metal
3 scrap metal = 1 reclaimed metal
Combine Reclaimed Metal
3 Reclaimed Metal = 1 Refined metal
TOKENS
Used in addition to metal to make class and slot specific items
Fabricate Slot Token
4 Weapons for one slot (Head, Misc, primary, secondary, melee) = One Slot Token for appropriate slot
Fabricate Class Token
4 Identical Weapons = 1 Class Token
HEADGEAR
Fabricate Class Headgear
4 Refined Metal + 1 Class Token = 1 Class Headgear
Fabricate Headgear
3 Refined Metal = 1 Random Headgear
Rebuild Headgear
2 Hats of any type (Haven't tried the Gibus) = 1 Random Hat
WEAPONS
Fabricate Class Weapons
1 Class Token + 1 Slot Token + 1 Scrap Metal = 1 Class Weapon (Ex: 1 Pyro Token + 1 Secondary Slot Token + 1 Scrap Metal = Flaregun)
Edited to add new recipies
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 17, 2009, 09:20:55 pm
Post by: Xotes on December 17, 2009, 09:24:17 pm
Creating regular headgear just gives you a random hat.
Post by: Luke_Prowler on December 17, 2009, 09:25:24 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 17, 2009, 09:30:12 pm
And now there's two pages for items instead of one.
Thanks valve! :P
Post by: PTTG?? on December 17, 2009, 11:03:12 pm
Post by: Zai on December 17, 2009, 11:06:51 pm
Did the Razorback at least get a boost to make it half as useful as the Targe?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 17, 2009, 11:13:48 pm
He gets angrier when he gets hurt, has a pickaxe he uses to mine enemies and blows himself up as a taunt.
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 17, 2009, 11:32:55 pm
Makes me wonder what the Demo's 4th would have been.I have a sneaking suspicion that valve was lazy and that the demo's 4th item is the exact same concept as soldier's gunboat but for demo.
Look at the achievements that involve demo sticky jumping much like soldier rocket jumping.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 17, 2009, 11:44:41 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 18, 2009, 12:28:12 am
Post by: Eduren on December 18, 2009, 01:54:12 am
Server located in Britain + tons of explosives running around = RAGEI feel your pain.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 18, 2009, 02:27:09 am
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 18, 2009, 02:29:32 am
Got 3 hats :D
Post by: Charmander on December 18, 2009, 03:35:01 am
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on December 18, 2009, 06:33:21 am
Wait a second, recipes? Did TF2 become Diablo 2 while I wasn't watching?
Post by: Myroc on December 18, 2009, 06:33:54 am
Unless, you know, you want a hat.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 18, 2009, 06:44:56 am
Post by: sneakey pete on December 18, 2009, 06:46:52 am
I don't have a picture, but yes, he goes on to build a dispenser, and yes, it works. even upgradeable. Only thing it doesn't do is dispence facestabs.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e149/thesneakster/spydispenser.png?t=1261135617)
Post by: Jreengus on December 18, 2009, 07:12:07 am
Post by: Siquo on December 18, 2009, 07:22:25 am
Post by: sneakey pete on December 18, 2009, 08:11:36 am
Also, build 0 into consol to get the spypenser.
Post by: Zai on December 18, 2009, 08:18:57 am
=/
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 18, 2009, 09:25:18 am
...So they had lots of items going around during the time I was not able to play?Could be worse, you could be playing and only get a meager number of items. Such as duplicate spy stuff and a hat or two.
=/
Post by: Siquo on December 18, 2009, 09:31:34 am
The one night I decide not to play TF2 but something else for a change...
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 18, 2009, 09:55:04 am
Post by: Jreengus on December 18, 2009, 11:42:37 am
I thought the rocket boots were a body item, not a weapon slot.
Also, build 0 into consol to get the spypenser.
Quote from: valve
Introducing the Gunboats, secondary-slot boots
Post by: ToonyMan on December 18, 2009, 12:47:01 pm
Who needs shotgun when enemies can never see you??!!
Post by: Zai on December 18, 2009, 12:54:07 pm
Gunboats are going to be awesome.
Fixed for you.
Well. I'm free early today to play TF2.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 18, 2009, 01:10:37 pm
Why is this?
Post by: fenrif on December 18, 2009, 01:45:06 pm
I was wondering if we could run with normal respawntimes some more. Instant is fine for a six-man game where you're mostly trying to kill eachother but it really bogs gameplay on a server full of soldiers and demomen.
Plus it makes defending much much easier
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 18, 2009, 01:57:54 pm
Only one drop overnight. I think valve's making up for the ludicrous drop rates last night. ::)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zai on December 18, 2009, 02:01:08 pm
[EDIT:] Okay. What is going on? Is anyone else having lots of problems connecting to servers? I'm in the process of rebooting as I type to see if that will help.
Post by: Metalax on December 18, 2009, 02:16:38 pm
EDit: Zai: Not having problems connecting but steam seems to be completely unable to connect to the item servers so no unlocks atm.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 18, 2009, 02:17:20 pm
Post by: Jreengus on December 18, 2009, 03:51:45 pm
Gunboots are going to be awesome.How about when you land out of ammo, and that heavy/demo/medic/engy/little five year old girl holding a daisy and singing kills you whilst you are reloading? I'll take a little more damage while jumping over a lot more damage while reloading any day.
Who needs shotgun when enemies can never see you??!!
Post by: Siquo on December 18, 2009, 05:15:09 pm
Post by: dragnar on December 18, 2009, 05:47:14 pm
4 Equalisers... What a meager harvest. And I can't use them because "the craft server is down". Crap server is what it is.It's not "down" just overloaded, it'll probably work a lot better after the free weekend is over.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 06:10:41 pm
If you see a soldier doing terribly, that's me. I might buy the full version of the game over the weekend, what with it being half price and all.
IMPORTANT: How do you talk? The buttons are cut off by my screen settings.
Post by: Zai on December 18, 2009, 07:25:28 pm
IMPORTANT: How do you talk? The buttons are cut off by my screen settings.
'Y' for all-text-chat. 'U' for team-text-chat. And I believe 'V' is the default press-to-trigger-mic-input button, with it being all- or team-talk depending on the server.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 18, 2009, 08:21:46 pm
Incidentally, my favourite class at the moment seems to be the scout. I find the movement speed pretty helpful, and am normally able to make at least one kill per life (hey, at least it's a bit better than useless, right :P?). I also like the way I normally get to see the enemy a little bit before he sees me...
And I've got exactly two achievements so far: War Crime and Punishment (no idea how I got three kills, though) and the Batman Scout one (yeah, I run back to the healing thingy a lot).
Oh, and one more thing: Choosing Pyro meant I only got one kill in the whole round, but at least that kill was Jakarra.
Post by: Metalax on December 18, 2009, 08:57:57 pm
For anyone wanting to have a play with them this is what you do.
- Start a new server on whichever map you want to play.
- If it is a koth map skip the next step.
- type 'nav_generate' into the console, without quotes. This may take a while.
- 'tf_bot_add X' into the console, without quotes, where x is how many bots you want to add.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 18, 2009, 09:33:57 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 18, 2009, 09:40:04 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 18, 2009, 09:41:32 pm
Oh, and one more thing: Choosing Pyro meant I only got one kill in the whole round, but at least that kill was Jakarra.
Yeah, he's easy to kill, isn't he? :P
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 18, 2009, 09:43:01 pm
Whenever I see a soldier running at me faster than a scout, I remember why I bound a key forThose soldiers are about as durable as wet tissue paper. Now demoman with the shield, those are scary. Not because they can dash but because of the massive explosives reduction.suicideshotgun.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 18, 2009, 09:44:55 pm
But here's the thing.Whenever I see a soldier running at me faster than a scout, I remember why I bound a key forThose soldiers are about as durable as wet tissue paper. Now demoman with the shield, those are scary. Not because they can dash but because of the massive explosives reduction.suicideshotgun.
I'm not the most attentive guy.
He might be right behind me, and I see him as I turn around.
No way I'm giving him credit for killing me with that thing.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 18, 2009, 09:47:13 pm
Although I appreciate the bombchu method of thinking.
Post by: Eduren on December 18, 2009, 10:06:24 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 18, 2009, 10:14:04 pm
Oh nice your charging at me...in a perfectly straight line. While I have an arrow out and your shield doesn't protect you from headshots...
Amusing watching them do a ragdoll backflip through the air and sliding along the ground to come to a rest at your feet.
Shame while I'm doing that I can't get any soldier achievements.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 18, 2009, 10:52:00 pm
Running around as Scout, binding a key for suicide, jumping around high areas then killing yourself in midair, flinging your ragdoll around.
Extra fun for low grav situations.
Post by: The Doctor on December 18, 2009, 11:07:26 pm
GIBS FOR EVERYWUN
Post by: Volatar on December 18, 2009, 11:14:30 pm
Whenever I see a soldier running at me faster than a scout, I remember why I bound a key forThose soldiers are about as durable as wet tissue paper. Now demoman with the shield, those are scary. Not because they can dash but because of the massive explosives reduction.suicideshotgun.
3 shots with the shotgun will kill em real good ;D
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 19, 2009, 02:50:59 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 19, 2009, 03:13:18 am
Has anyone succeeded in charging someone with the pipebomb launcher and killing your target and yourself with the crit?As far as I know, the crit bonus only applies to melee weapons.
Post by: Metalax on December 19, 2009, 04:00:24 am
Has anyone succeeded in charging someone with the pipebomb launcher and killing your target and yourself with the crit?As far as I know, the crit bonus only applies to melee weapons.
I've been consistently getting crit grenades at the end of a long charge. And yeah I've scored a kill+suicide with one.
I'm assuming you mean criting with the grenade launcher as well, as you don't have a pipebomb launcher if your charging.
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on December 19, 2009, 04:19:23 am
:| You're mistaking the stickies for pipes, and the pipes for grenades.Has anyone succeeded in charging someone with the pipebomb launcher and killing your target and yourself with the crit?As far as I know, the crit bonus only applies to melee weapons.
I've been consistently getting crit grenades at the end of a long charge. And yeah I've scored a kill+suicide with one.
I'm assuming you mean criting with the grenade launcher as well, as you don't have a pipebomb launcher if your charging.
Post by: Someguyo on December 19, 2009, 04:39:10 am
Those soldiers are about as durable as wet tissue paper. Now demoman with the shield, those are scary. Not because they can dash but because of the massive explosives reduction.
I'm actually surprised at how easily I can kill them sometimes. I also find it fun to bounce them in the air then aerial them twice, but obviously that fails quite a bit :P
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 19, 2009, 04:53:48 am
There's a bunch of things which you could call grenade so I call them stickies, pipebombs, handgrenades and rockets (which are just rocket propelled grenades). We still need a name for the new Scottish Resistance stickes.
Post by: LASD on December 19, 2009, 07:38:49 am
First two stylish shots of (and for) Richard I promised to post all the way back at the Halloween Update:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Then one of Jakkarra with his hat flying straight up and not at all suggestive minigun imagery:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Nice shot of Nilocy on his way to the intelligence:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Absolute carnage on Dustbowl:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Murderous Sniper after Silvio:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Tri-M in dire straits:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Richard again after a great victory:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And best for the last:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
We'll see how long it'll take me to get the new killcams I got in the WAR! update over here.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 19, 2009, 08:38:56 am
I don't remember being a heavy...
Post by: Zai on December 19, 2009, 10:00:33 am
Post by: Jakkarra on December 19, 2009, 10:18:16 am
Post by: Itnetlolor on December 19, 2009, 10:52:12 am
According to earlier when I first got the game, it was tossing items at me like no tomorrow, and then it just stopped.
Oh so many could've been obtained last night. It was mayhem.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 19, 2009, 10:58:43 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 19, 2009, 11:19:44 am
Post by: Zai on December 19, 2009, 12:54:51 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 19, 2009, 12:56:35 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2009, 12:58:02 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2009, 01:04:18 pm
Gunboots are going to be awesome.How about when you land out of ammo, and that heavy/demo/medic/engy/little five year old girl holding a daisy and singing kills you whilst you are reloading? I'll take a little more damage while jumping over a lot more damage while reloading any day.
Who needs shotgun when enemies can never see you??!!
When did a rocket launcher have 1 ammo? And you have enough time to reload while in the air.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 19, 2009, 01:04:58 pm
When did people only fire a single rocket when in the air?Gunboots are going to be awesome.How about when you land out of ammo, and that heavy/demo/medic/engy/little five year old girl holding a daisy and singing kills you whilst you are reloading? I'll take a little more damage while jumping over a lot more damage while reloading any day.
Who needs shotgun when enemies can never see you??!!
When did a rocket launcher have 1 ammo? And you have enough time to reload while in the air.
Post by: Greiger on December 19, 2009, 01:10:33 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on December 19, 2009, 01:14:55 pm
Post by: Jreengus on December 19, 2009, 01:24:40 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2009, 02:40:23 pm
Post by: Zai on December 19, 2009, 03:05:09 pm
Post by: Jreengus on December 19, 2009, 03:41:08 pm
If you can fire all your rockets mid-rocket jump I would worship you.Don't make my altar too big, I accept sacrifices but prefer cash.
Seriously whats so hard? You jump and fire.
Post by: Greiger on December 19, 2009, 03:43:04 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2009, 05:23:11 pm
Post by: Jreengus on December 19, 2009, 05:33:58 pm
I'm ticked. Royally ticked. The new weapons seem ridiculously overpowered. Maybe that's just because I die whenever someone as much as points a DH or winks bloody steel at me, maybe it's because I can't hardly do anything against the new weapons. The Eyelander/Targe and Direct Hit, at least, need a thwack in the face with the nerfbat.Direct hit is pretty much an update atm, I'd try cutting down damage and hit area slightl. The Eyelander and Targe shouldn't be changed yet, bear in mind the targe reduces explosives damage and a very large proportion of people are playing the explosives based classes right now. Once you have more of a mix going on and especially more heavies I can see the Targe being a lot less effective.
/raeg
Post by: Leafsnail on December 19, 2009, 05:41:49 pm
I quite like it, and it's very pretty when I hit someone from behind and random coloured words fly out of them.
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 19, 2009, 05:43:54 pm
Post by: Jreengus on December 19, 2009, 05:45:38 pm
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 19, 2009, 06:02:20 pm
Post by: Nilocy on December 19, 2009, 06:10:33 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2009, 06:12:08 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 19, 2009, 06:26:41 pm
I'm kinda pissed off at TF2 atm...The spammiest and most annoying of them all.This is not even close to the scoot update.
When everyone was scout I went soldier and was blowing them up right and left :D
Post by: Eduren on December 19, 2009, 06:58:22 pm
I'm kinda pissed off at TF2 atm. Probably because of me constantly losing; but I have to say that this update has been my most disliked so far. The spammiest and most annoying of them all.
I have to agree. This one is pretty rage-inducing
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 19, 2009, 07:09:03 pm
And upon thought, I have yet to be killed by The Scottish Resistance.
Post by: Eduren on December 19, 2009, 07:13:30 pm
The way to fix this of course is to set some sort of "detonate all" mechanism using the ScoRe.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2009, 07:15:24 pm
Post by: Zai on December 19, 2009, 07:18:52 pm
I'm kinda pissed off at TF2 atm. Probably because of me constantly losing; but I have to say that this update has been my most disliked so far. The spammiest and most annoying of them all.
Just wait a while. Should hopefully calm down within a week or so, once everybody's used to the weapons.
I do think that some things could use balancing. I really want them to make the Razorback more useful. The Targe beats it out of the water in terms of usefulness. The Equalizer is hellannoying considering the Soldier can just rocket himself until he's a glass cannon running around killing everybody. I'm really not sure what the Bottle has to offer over the Eyelander. The Gunboats apparently don't apply to much (vertical jumps only?). The Direct Hit could use some balancing to make it less useful than the regular Rocket Launcher in more situations; around-the-corner splash damage is about the only thing the Rocket Launcher does better right now as far as I can tell.
I do really want the new unlocks though. I've heard a few people complain that they got all the milestones and still haven't gotten the unlocks from any of them, so I'm nervous to go for the achievements to get the unlocks as I'm not sure if Valve will later (as in, after the weekend's over and item servers stop being overloaded, as I think that's the problem) give me what I earned. So for now I'm just playing other classes...without my unlocks for those.
I think this update may have been intentionally done to boost the Heavy's usability; he's a pretty effective counter to both the Equalizer Solly and Chargin' Demo. But the Direct Hit is pretty effective against the Heavy, as he doesn't move much and the DH rocket is faster and more damaging than the normal rocket. And the Heavy's a big target, which means you don't have to aim as well to hit him dead-on.
[PPE:] Call it ScoRes, Eduren. It's catchier and was the original "abbreviation" in the comic (Sco Res).
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 19, 2009, 07:36:37 pm
Pyro absolutely laughs in the face of equalizer, but is killed by demo with shield. I think that shield could be rebalanced though, as only way for pyro to take down charging demo currently is shotty or fire+airblast+axtinguisher. It's irritating, but not horribly imba.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 19, 2009, 08:01:28 pm
ScoRes is a defensive weapon, but not for every map. On GravelPit, I would rather have the regular. On Gorge, Dustbowl, and any other maps where the CP is near spawn, I would rather have ScoRes. I would also like to have ScoRes on most PL maps. On Arena and KotH, I would rather have regular.
Post by: dragnar on December 19, 2009, 11:33:50 pm
Just go Heavy. The demos have no defense to you and are charging straight at you, and soldiers are running around with low health and the equalizer. The Direct Hit might make make things a little difficult, but so long as you remain in the position of support fire and not down there in the field of battle then things should be alright.Yes, everyone go heavy! Become large, slow, walking targets for my knife!
Yeah, the Razorback does nothing to stop spies, just makes them use the ambassador to headshot them down to 5 health instead of an instant kill with the knife.I'm kinda pissed off at TF2 atm. Probably because of me constantly losing; but I have to say that this update has been my most disliked so far. The spammiest and most annoying of them all.I do think that some things could use balancing. I really want them to make the Razorback more useful.
Post by: Giant Snowman on December 20, 2009, 06:02:53 am
Post by: Tokay on December 20, 2009, 09:55:12 am
The update also brought the amazing BSODs to my life.
I also got BSODs after this update. You can fix the problem by disabling multicore rendering under Options->Video->Advanced.
I'm really enjoying the update and i don't feel that any of the new weapons are especially overpowered, although i dont know what they were thinking when they made the equalizer a straight upgrade from the shovel :-\.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 20, 2009, 09:58:22 am
They fixed Spyspensers!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 20, 2009, 10:02:40 am
Equalizer at max health: 32.5
Health at 50: 130
Health at 1: 161
First speed up at 160-121 health: 10%
Final speedup at 40-1 health: 60%
Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2009, 10:21:45 am
I think it's balanced.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 20, 2009, 10:31:25 am
Then again, when are you going to use the melee unless you are on your last legs or as a last resort?
By the time you get into Melee range you'll have taken some damage.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 20, 2009, 10:38:07 am
Post by: Jakkarra on December 20, 2009, 12:01:33 pm
Also, i just had an epic Huntsman spree, i killed Attaxx MANY MANY TIMES!
CYR SOME MOAR!
(He was often invisible)
Post by: Nilocy on December 20, 2009, 12:57:46 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on December 20, 2009, 01:30:32 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 20, 2009, 01:52:20 pm
Post by: Jreengus on December 20, 2009, 01:53:47 pm
Post by: Itnetlolor on December 20, 2009, 02:18:18 pm
Shovel: Base damage between 59-72 damage.That friggin equalizer. I hate when I get hit by those.
Equalizer at max health: 32.5
Health at 50: 130
Health at 1: 161
First speed up at 160-121 health: 10%
Final speedup at 40-1 health: 60%
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 20, 2009, 02:20:25 pm
Post by: Jay on December 20, 2009, 02:22:35 pm
If melee weapons didn't git me from ten feet away then I would be cool with it.This.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2009, 02:25:03 pm
If melee weapons didn't git me from ten feet away then I would be cool with it.This.
Aye, that happens to me sometimes, but I forgive it because I do this to others all the time by accident.
Post by: Pandarsenic on December 20, 2009, 02:47:12 pm
1) You were screwed anyway
2) You were inattentive and/or deserved it
3) You could have solved the whole problem with a single shot (scattergun; solly shotty or rocket; pyro shotty, airburst and flame, even flare gun if he's REALLY pushing it; pipe bomb; any heavy item other than sandvich; engie shotty; sniper bodyshot; medic... eh, kite him with syringes maybe, or better yet have your patient kill him for you; spy should be able to drop a soldier at that point with his revolver if he's any good).
4) He flanked you skillfully and was a badass and deserved the kill.
And if you die as a Heavy to an Equalizer something has gone horrifically wrong.
Post by: Jay on December 20, 2009, 03:39:41 pm
If you haven't bought it yet, and you like it, you've got twenty minutes.
Post by: ILikePie on December 20, 2009, 03:47:23 pm
PS. I haven't played/own any of the games that come with it.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 20, 2009, 03:53:36 pm
Yep, free weekend was great fun. I think I'm gonna buy the orange box, is it still worth buying? (And if what the game store is posting on their website is true, then its pretty darn cheap. They're selling it for 130 ILS, approximately $35)Portal, TF2 and all the free multiplayer mods you can use are well worth it.
PS. I haven't played/own any of the games that come with it.
Post by: Eduren on December 20, 2009, 05:45:47 pm
And all of Half-life 2Yep, free weekend was great fun. I think I'm gonna buy the orange box, is it still worth buying? (And if what the game store is posting on their website is true, then its pretty darn cheap. They're selling it for 130 ILS, approximately $35)Portal, TF2 and all the free multiplayer mods you can use are well worth it.
PS. I haven't played/own any of the games that come with it.
Post by: Jreengus on December 20, 2009, 06:47:49 pm
And if you die as a Heavy to an Equalizer something has gone horrifically wrong.I haven't seen it happen but if they catch you by suprise with 1 health... Especially if you're packing the sandwhich then you are faced with trying to hit a scout speed person, no option for using your minigun because they can kill you before it warms up
Post by: Zai on December 20, 2009, 07:14:04 pm
Yep, free weekend was great fun. I think I'm gonna buy the orange box, is it still worth buying? (And if what the game store is posting on their website is true, then its pretty darn cheap. They're selling it for 130 ILS, approximately $35)
PS. I haven't played/own any of the games that come with it.
Damn right it's worth it. TF2 alone is worth the $30 I spent on the Orange Box. But you also get the HL2 games, Portal, and all the mods you can imagine (including GMod, but that's another $10; most HL2 mods are free).
Post by: Soulwynd on December 20, 2009, 08:23:59 pm
Noooot in my opinion. But sure, some people like it.And all of Half-life 2Yep, free weekend was great fun. I think I'm gonna buy the orange box, is it still worth buying? (And if what the game store is posting on their website is true, then its pretty darn cheap. They're selling it for 130 ILS, approximately $35)Portal, TF2 and all the free multiplayer mods you can use are well worth it.
PS. I haven't played/own any of the games that come with it.
Post by: Eduren on December 20, 2009, 09:25:13 pm
Spy is simultaneously the most frustrating and most exhilarating experience in this game. When you do bad, you really do bad and when you do good, you do really good. It is such a great adrenaline rush to have an entire team collapse because you keep chain-stabbing them all.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 20, 2009, 09:54:28 pm
I went back to Spy soon after and even managed to backstab a Scout, but beyond that I was mostly sitting in corners waiting for the Scouts and Pyros to move on.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 20, 2009, 09:59:45 pm
That, and the Huntsman is hilarious.
Post by: dragnar on December 20, 2009, 10:02:48 pm
Being a Spy is the best thing ever, i only change classes when people get too paranoid.Agreed, it gets ridiculous when two/tree spies make an entire team go pyro, but there is nothing more fun(or difficult) than taking out an engie and all his level 3 stuff in seconds.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 20, 2009, 10:20:28 pm
Post by: The Doctor on December 20, 2009, 10:41:14 pm
Post by: deadlycairn on December 20, 2009, 11:18:06 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on December 20, 2009, 11:30:39 pm
What are your times as Spy, V your times as second most class?
3 most played:
Spah: 15 hours, 14 mins
Soldier: 3 hours, 12 mins
Medic: 2 hours, 30 mins
Although I'm pretty sure this information is wrong, because I've spent way more than 18 minutes playing as pyro, and more than 2 hours as scout.
Post by: Zai on December 20, 2009, 11:35:26 pm
All I have left is stuff for Soldier, but the only thing I can unlock now is the Buff Banner. Does that come at Milestone 2 or 3?
Post by: The Doctor on December 20, 2009, 11:39:48 pm
Post by: Zai on December 20, 2009, 11:44:25 pm
I THINK 3, but some people have been getting them out of order.
I believe that would be through just the random finds; that's how I got my Direct Hit before my Equalizer.
Post by: Dwarfaholic on December 21, 2009, 02:48:41 am
I am not very happy with this current state of affairs right now.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 21, 2009, 03:02:43 am
Post by: Dwarfaholic on December 21, 2009, 04:31:14 am
After I died, I noticed "This is fair, I got another equalizer immediately after I'll do nothing with it anymore. Damn you, randomness!" So I deleted it. But apparently it wasn't a duplicate.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 21, 2009, 10:04:42 am
Post by: Zai on December 21, 2009, 10:56:48 am
I've been doing them, and I got the equalizer at first that way. But then!
After I died, I noticed "This is fair, I got another equalizer immediately after I'll do nothing with it anymore. Damn you, randomness!" So I deleted it. But apparently it wasn't a duplicate.
...I don't think you can blame the game for that.
Post by: Jreengus on December 21, 2009, 11:16:20 am
Yes and if you delete duplicates after the crafting update then you can't complain about not having hats.I've been doing them, and I got the equalizer at first that way. But then!
After I died, I noticed "This is fair, I got another equalizer immediately after I'll do nothing with it anymore. Damn you, randomness!" So I deleted it. But apparently it wasn't a duplicate.
...I don't think you can blame the game for that.
Post by: Volatar on December 21, 2009, 11:56:01 am
Post by: Soulwynd on December 21, 2009, 12:06:06 pm
As it is, about every 4 hours or gameplay you have around a 3% chance of getting a hat. That's just an approximate, since I'm too lazy to get the actual numbers. Hats rolls also have nothing to do with regular rolls, so one shouldn't affect the other.
So basically, if you ignore that each hat roll is unrelated to the next, valve is telling you should get a hat for every 5 days of gameplay.
Post by: dragnar on December 21, 2009, 01:39:25 pm
Mine's much worse:What are your times as Spy, V your times as second most class?
3 most played:
Spah: 15 hours, 14 mins
Soldier: 3 hours, 12 mins
Medic: 2 hours, 30 mins
Although I'm pretty sure this information is wrong, because I've spent way more than 18 minutes playing as pyro, and more than 2 hours as scout.
Spy: 32 hours
Engineer: 3 hours
demoman is rapidly rising though.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 21, 2009, 02:44:23 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 21, 2009, 03:36:10 pm
Demo: 26
Engineer:22
Soldier: 21
...
Scout:12
Heavy:9
Medic:7
I've filled the first page of the old inventory before to the point where I had no more slots, so I deleted many repeat items so any new items would not be blocked. Then they expanded the inventory and added crafting.
Post by: Zai on December 21, 2009, 04:52:45 pm
I've filled the first page of the old inventory before to the point where I had no more slots, so I deleted many repeat items so any new items would not be blocked. Then they expanded the inventory and added crafting.
Same.
But on the plus side, I got my first random "hat" today: the Spy's Camera Beard...which is no longer a hat. But whatever.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 21, 2009, 07:31:08 pm
All that and only one random hat.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 21, 2009, 07:44:49 pm
I need to go on when you do, sir.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 21, 2009, 07:55:34 pm
Post by: Zai on December 21, 2009, 11:39:30 pm
Kind of tired of playing engie
Hopefully the Engy update (whenever that comes) will vary the gameplay of the Engy as much (but not in the same way) as the WAR update did for the Demo. I'm actually really interested to see what they'll do to him.
I'm hoping for a Christmas update, in somewhat the same vein as the Halloween update. With seasonal hats, like the Halloween sacks.
Post by: dragnar on December 21, 2009, 11:54:07 pm
Uber sentry but no dispencer/teleporter? Gun that repairs at range? Who knows.Kind of tired of playing engie
Hopefully the Engy update (whenever that comes) will vary the gameplay of the Engy as much (but not in the same way) as the WAR update did for the Demo. I'm actually really interested to see what they'll do to him.
I'm hoping for a Christmas update, in somewhat the same vein as the Halloween update. With seasonal hats, like the Halloween sacks.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2009, 01:50:37 am
3 most played:
Spah: 15 hours, 14 mins
Soldier: 3 hours, 12 mins
Medic: 2 hours, 30 mins
I can't stand playing as spy- but to each his own. I find the Medic can be fun, as can Engy.
I'm really looking forward to the Engy update. I'm pretty sure we'll see at least one or two of the following:
-Dispensi-trap: Replaces the regular dispenser with a cardboard box full of dynamite that LOOKS real to the enemy team; as soon as it's sapped or shot, it explodes!
-Bouncer: Replaces the teleporter with a similar device that launches the character using it with about as much force as the scout's double-jump, allowing such sneaky things as dropping a heavy in a top-floor window.
-Crita-spenser: Like a very pointy dispenser, allied units within it's radius get a boost to critical hit chances.
-Spearer: Replaces turret; unlike the regular turret, it has four ten-foot-long spikes. When an enemy gets within reach, it spears them for massive damage. Unlike a regular turret which is best placed at the end of a medium-long hallway, the spearer should be just behind the doorframe.
-Up-armor: A special wrench that is terrible for building, but can be used to "overheal" your equipment, giving you twice the time to save them.
-Hackwrench: Hitting a structure with this wrench will cause it to switch to your side, blowing up any old equipment of yours it might displace. Hitting an enemy with this does nothing, though if it made them see colors backwards for a random set of time, there could be fun. It can repair, but not upgrade things.
-Hoover: Replaces shotgun, or possibly pistol. A reverse gun that sucks up target items, turning them to metal or ammo, and just maybe picks up sticky mines. A successful taunt with this item picks up the enemies' hat, though the Soldier is so attached to his helmet that that might not be possible.
-Ammo Packer: Replaces builder remote. Takes metal and packs it up into tasty ammo units for allied characters. Allows Engies to help out the heavies, too! Potentially, a team of hoover-and-packer-packing Engies and medics could move ammo to a heavy like a bucket brigade.
I'd bet on the Crita-spenser more than anything else, though the ammo packer would be awesome.
What's really needed is a good way to get Engies involved in the combat instead of moping around the base. But you need to do that without making them actually be effective fighters. That's what I like about the Hackwrench and Crita-spenser, both of which are best used at the very front lines.
A simple Uber-sentry is unlikely, because as it is, they already are either killing you or not killing you. That binaryness is what makes them so balanced; a well-placed sentry is an immovable object, but a poorly-placed one is trash. What's essential to preserve is the way that it's all dependent on the engie's skill level.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 22, 2009, 01:52:58 am
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2009, 02:20:52 am
It'll be a cigarette dispenser, and it will lower health while increasing crits!
Or a Booze dispenser, which will decrease accuracy, which would encourage the whole team to get in closer... And would be more dwarfy.
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on December 22, 2009, 02:36:21 am
Better hope there's an engineer weapon that makes him move away from sentries ::)
Post by: Siquo on December 22, 2009, 03:49:09 am
At the start of a round I usually pick a medic when blue to ueber once, then die and switch. I stopped playing the medic because the uebercharge takes too long, but at game setup I'm waiting anyway.
I still rule supreme as a pyro, I think I played the pyro as much as all other classes combined. I'm even getting better at the flare-gun (which is easily the hardest-to-aim-weapon in the game).
Post by: Jreengus on December 22, 2009, 09:38:20 am
-Ammo Packer: Replaces builder remote. Takes metal and packs it up into tasty ammo units for allied characters. Allows Engies to help out the heavies, too! Potentially, a team of hoover-and-packer-packing Engies and medics could move ammo to a heavy like a bucket brigade.
Metal lying around is already ammo, trading all your buildings for the ability to move it around is insane.
Anyhow I don't massively like any of those ideas. The engies buildings shouldn't be tampered with. He already has a nice flexibility of purpose there, capable of providing area denial on defense via the well known engy and overused engy nest. Or else frontline support through his dispenser teleports and well placed level 1 sentries. (I hate those engineers though, they all act so smug as if this is the only proper way of playing engineer and that makes them so much better than everyone else.) Then we get to his weapons which are just so damn nice, sure he's not the most powerfull guy ever but his weapons work well with his buildings and even help contribute during a group push.
As such I'm dreading the engineer update. I see him gaining a bunch of useless gimmicks which destroy any kind of flexibilty he had.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 22, 2009, 09:52:25 am
If they are badly made, people will either use the old ones, which are fine, or simply be another 125 HP frontline class, which is hilarious.
Post by: Jreengus on December 22, 2009, 10:16:43 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 22, 2009, 10:20:14 am
Post by: Siquo on December 22, 2009, 10:27:09 am
The direct-hit I'm eager to try, but will probably be more suitable for staying back and sniping heavies and slower opponents.
The equaliser is just nonsense as a weapon. Although very useful for RUNNING AWAY, it's not very good when running straight into a pyro... It is nice to get some kind of speedboost though, the soldier is excruciatingly slow.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 22, 2009, 11:58:43 am
I'd rather see something original and new, like they did for the demo/soldier.
Speaking about that, TF2 blog says there will be one more update coming.
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Update Update
December 21, 2009 - TF2 Team
We've got one more update to go out to our backend item system. After that, we'll be granting all the missing items that weren't granted properly when you finished achievements.
Post by: Zai on December 22, 2009, 02:18:55 pm
flare-gun (which is easily the hardest-to-aim-weapon in the game).
Not really. I'd say Demo's 'Nades and Stickies are harder to aim accurately at long distance.
Backend item system update? TRADING? THAT THING THAT WAS PROMISED WITH THE SPY/SNIPER UPDATE MONTHS AGO?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 22, 2009, 04:22:49 pm
You just have to die once and BOOM, you get all your stuff.
Post by: Jay on December 22, 2009, 05:14:15 pm
You just have to die once and BOOM, you get all your stuff.And cause some serious "WTF"s at the same time.
(not quite exact - I never found any of these except the Equalizer, because the unlock system hates me - it never gave me my milestones, even before this bug)
All at the same time:
Jay has found: The Chargin' Targe
Jay has found: The Eyelander
Jay has found: The Scottish Resistance
Jay has found: The Equalizer
Jay has found: The Direct Fire
Jay has found: The Buff Banner
Jay has found: Gunboats
Post by: Nilocy on December 22, 2009, 05:27:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: dragnar on December 22, 2009, 05:45:20 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on December 22, 2009, 05:48:07 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 22, 2009, 05:52:52 pm
Post by: umiman on December 22, 2009, 06:23:31 pm
I inverted all my legitimately earned achievements and reverted them so I can keep all my real achievements while getting all the unlocks. I don't have patience nor like to grind achievements and I like using the new weapons while keeping my real achievements.
It's called the Steam Achievement Manager 5.2 if you guys are interested.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 22, 2009, 06:44:44 pm
Post by: Zai on December 22, 2009, 07:11:24 pm
I'm going to assume this is one of those things valve will get a little pissed about.Yeah, that's what I told him last night. Still did it anyway. But when I woke up today and saw all of his "achievements", I laughed.
So. Today I was a bit surprised. I actually legitimately killed someone with my Targe bash in a game today on the DFC server. I thought that'd be near impossible to pull off in an actual game. Too bad I already had that achievement.
Post by: Jakkarra on December 22, 2009, 07:15:48 pm
Melee weapons do more damage, and you wouldnt want to charge straight into some enemies with the GL...
Post by: Soulwynd on December 22, 2009, 07:18:34 pm
I'm going to assume this is one of those things valve will get a little pissed about.Yep...
And the targe actually -bashes- people? I've always only got the melee crit bonus.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 22, 2009, 07:19:20 pm
Just Charge and Pipebomb for win.
Post by: umiman on December 22, 2009, 07:27:20 pm
Besides, my actual achievements are legitimately owned and it's funny seeing the spam of fake ones fill up my screen. You guys should lighten up and loosen your panties. I've done this several times now over the past two years and am surprised you guys only noticed NOW.
Post by: Zai on December 22, 2009, 07:32:16 pm
Thing is, why would anyone ever bother to use the targe bash?
It wasn't intentional. I was just using the Targe to get over some Stickies before the Demo could have time to notice. The guy just happened to be right at the end of my charge with next to no health.
And yeah, Soulwynd. The Targe does some damage if you hit somebody with it. This is usually negligible, as it only does about 19 damage at its max distance. There's an achievement for killing someone with the Targe's bash damage (as in, not just combining the crit bonus with another weapon), but I got that the other day thanks to Greiger. But we arranged that; it wasn't in the middle of an active game like today.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 22, 2009, 07:38:10 pm
Fixed inconsistent Rage generation with the Buff Banner
Added an "equipped" tag to currently equipped items in the Backpack and Crafting screens
Fixed the TFBots not reacting correctly to stun effects
Fixed the Heavy picking up his own thrown sandvich if it was thrown while running forward
Fixed Pyros not getting the proper kill icon for kills with deflected Direct Hit rockets
Fixed the player keeping their rage setting when the Buff Banner isn't equipped
Fixed resupply cabinet not clearing the rage and the buff status effect
Fixed the Buff Banner not working when +reload has been forced in console
Fixed the motion blur on charging Demomen not always drawing
Fixed the Direct Hit mini-critting enemies submerged in water
Fixed the Chargin' Targe's crit not working on servers with tf_weapon_criticals 0
Capped the amount of overhealing from taking heads to the player's max buffed health
Updated the Gunboats to absorb damage from any self-inflicted rocket blast that doesn't hurt another player
Updated the Scottish Resistance to detonate bombs near the player's feet (in addition to what it normally detonates). This enables sticky jumping with this weapon
Updated the Baseball and Jarate HUD indicators to stay on screen when full
Crafting improvements
Spy's camera beard can now be smelted into scrap metal
Recipes can no longer produce items matching any of the items used in the crafting
Added some new recipes
Achievement fixes
Fixed the "Ride of the Valkartie" Soldier achievement being earned by Soldiers on the defending team
Fixed the "Gorky Parked" Heavy achievement being incremented by committing suicide on a control point
Fixed several Scout achievements that were broken by the new type of bat stun
Fixed the "Ghastly Gibus Grab" achievement not awarding the hat correctly
Updated the "Big Pharma" (Medic) and "Division of Labor" (Heavy) achievements to be 10 kills in a single life
Updated the "Ubi concordia, ibi victoria" Medic achievement to only be 3 assists
Still no word on the blue screen of death bug.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 22, 2009, 07:42:12 pm
Quote
Updated the Gunboats to absorb damage from any self-inflicted rocket blast that doesn't hurt another player
Well, that just boosted up the usefulness of these things by a bunch.
Post by: Zai on December 22, 2009, 07:43:32 pm
QuoteUpdated the Gunboats to absorb damage from any self-inflicted rocket blast that doesn't hurt another player
Well, that just boosted up the usefulness of these things by a bunch.
Indeed. Now I want them even more. ♥
Post by: ToonyMan on December 22, 2009, 07:55:39 pm
Post by: Charmander on December 22, 2009, 07:56:34 pm
Assuming it actually sorts them out. I know I remember someone bitching about the Scottish Resistance and about how you couldn't sticky jump. Kinda know why, now. I was kinda puzzled, but maybe that's because I stare at my stickybombs when I jump like that.
And the stun things? 'Bout time. Was getting kind of annoying.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 22, 2009, 08:01:12 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on December 22, 2009, 08:03:52 pm
You don't put boats on your feet! You put BOOTS on your feet bro!But... gunboats!
Post by: The Doctor on December 22, 2009, 08:18:54 pm
The only one thing I don't like is the 'fix' to the sandvich plate, being able to just drop it while on the move and replenish some HP was extremely useful in a pitched battle.I ASSUME it's just like a second or two where you can't pick it up.
I do that too, but I've also had times where I wanted to heal my burning medic, and I pick up my own sandvich.
Post by: Zai on December 22, 2009, 09:34:37 pm
You don't put boats on your feet! You put BOOTS on your feet bro!Except they are officially called Gunboats.
And what?! You don't put boats on your feet? But that's all the rage these days!
And I've had problems since the update with my loadout reverting to regular weapons. Someone else had this problem to, and the way to fix it was to disconnect and reconnect. But I only played on the DFC server, so it may just be the server.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 22, 2009, 10:13:39 pm
Post by: Zai on December 22, 2009, 10:16:46 pm
217.163.31.206:27015
Post by: Greiger on December 22, 2009, 10:34:01 pm
Post by: Zai on December 22, 2009, 10:37:34 pm
I thought it was odd I saw a penguin on the server. That was you then I assume penguin?
"A penguin" was PoH?
Post by: dragnar on December 22, 2009, 11:40:17 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2009, 11:59:44 pm
Where is everybody?
Also, any chance we can get some non-arena games?
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 23, 2009, 12:26:02 am
Post by: The Doctor on December 23, 2009, 12:45:11 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 23, 2009, 01:05:49 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 23, 2009, 01:13:17 am
THEN DON'T WEAR THEM WHEN YOU'RE CHARGING THEM.
Whoah, caps attack. So, if I happen to run into a medic who needs to build lot of uber in a short amount of time, and there's noone else around, I should run back to spawn and swap out? :P
As it stood, they blocked rocket jump damage. Any other damage a soldier will inflict on himself will ideally be done for a reason.
In fact, it makes it easier to get your health to specific levels for the Equalizer.
This is actually a valid argument. As it currently stands, I can see the gunboats and the equaliser working quite well together.
Post by: The Doctor on December 23, 2009, 01:23:21 am
Sorry, I just had a match full of idiots.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 23, 2009, 01:30:12 am
Post by: Greiger on December 23, 2009, 01:30:21 am
A) The melee only mode thing in the admin menu seems bugged. I tried turning it on twice, and twice the server crashed when I did.
B) Is there any way for us admins to mess with the respawn times? There are a couple maps that just seem impossible to win with instant respawns. 2 Engies held the first point of part 2 of dustbowl for 10 whole minutes because when our support died they instant respawned and took one of our lv 3 teleporters to get back almost immediately after dying.
They might have broke through if they tried an uber, but pretty much everything else that should have worked failed because either the combat classes got back to the front too soon after dying or the engies got back to their stuff after dying before the attackers could destroy them.
And some maps you can do that kinda stuff on without teleporters. When the spawns are way too close to the points for instant respawn. Steel point A and Dustbowl 3-B come to mind mostly
Post by: Eduren on December 23, 2009, 02:32:24 am
Post by: dragnar on December 23, 2009, 02:41:51 am
To be honest, I would really prefer if the DFC had vanilla respawns. They make for such a better game.More balanced perhaps, but I like not having to wait to respawn. It's much faster-paced and eliminates boring waits.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 23, 2009, 02:46:56 am
Post by: Eduren on December 23, 2009, 02:47:51 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 23, 2009, 03:37:09 am
I thought it was odd I saw a penguin on the server. That was you then I assume penguin?
Eh, not me. I haven't been on the DFC server.
Other news: I've gotten 25 kills towards some mysterious 50 kill threshold that will allow me to get "normal points". I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.
Post by: The Doctor on December 23, 2009, 04:19:23 am
The whole thing with needing 10-20-50-100 or whatever kills is so that new players to the server arn't tracked as readily.
HLStats is basically just showing your stats for that server. Mostly KD Ratio stats, though, it seems.
Post by: Volatar on December 23, 2009, 08:09:25 am
Also, stats? Awesome!
Post by: Jakkarra on December 23, 2009, 08:42:03 am
Stuff.
Greiger, they could have EASILY destroyed those with an Uber.
WE did, and they had TWO more sentry guns!
We took about 2 minutes to clear the map!
Post by: ToonyMan on December 23, 2009, 12:50:30 pm
In small games then instant respawns are good. For larger games, it can be horrendous.
Long, drawn out stale-mates much? :P
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 23, 2009, 04:29:59 pm
Post by: Zai on December 23, 2009, 04:39:01 pm
217.163.31.206:27015
Click "Add this server to favorites" and then either double click the [DFC] server line to auto-connect, or click it once and then click the "Connect" button.
Post by: Nilocy on December 23, 2009, 05:26:03 pm
Post by: Zai on December 23, 2009, 05:29:06 pm
The first post of this thread and my DFC one has the address for future reference :D
As does the Steam group.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 23, 2009, 05:31:31 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 23, 2009, 05:37:39 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 23, 2009, 05:41:33 pm
(goes on anyway)
Post by: Metalax on December 23, 2009, 05:45:35 pm
There's a steam group?Yep. Either search for 'Dwarf Fortress Community' through steam or log in through your browser and go here http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress)
Post by: zchris13 on December 23, 2009, 05:55:40 pm
Post by: Jreengus on December 23, 2009, 06:05:43 pm
Also did anyone else notice that with the soldier it was easy to get the first 2 milestones but then really difficult to get the third, but with the demo it was difficult to get the second but once you did the third came really quickly? (same day for me)
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 23, 2009, 06:08:52 pm
Soldier? Who cares? TAKE YOUR LUMPS LIKE A POTATO CHIP PRIVATE PRINGLES!
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 23, 2009, 07:36:13 pm
I am now in the group and have played on the server.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 23, 2009, 07:46:57 pm
Post by: Jreengus on December 23, 2009, 07:58:14 pm
What's your favorite and least favorite class?Impossible question for me...
Post by: Jakkarra on December 23, 2009, 08:15:20 pm
Least favourite? hmm... i like them all!
Post by: Zai on December 23, 2009, 08:40:58 pm
Favourite is SPAH!We already knew that.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 23, 2009, 08:57:18 pm
What's your favorite and least favorite class?
Medic can be fun, and I tend to get a lot of points for all the help. I enjoy dueling as scout.
I would like to like sniper, but I keep getting killed... by other snipers.
But I REALLY hate playing as spy. I get eaten alive whenever I try.
Post by: Skibiliano on December 23, 2009, 09:11:08 pm
What's your favorite and least favorite class?
Favorite would be... Well... That's a tough one. I guess Sniper (Yes, I don't play spy that often anymore)
Least favorite would either be scout or medic.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 23, 2009, 09:16:10 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: PTTG?? on December 23, 2009, 09:23:20 pm
Post by: deadlycairn on December 23, 2009, 09:23:46 pm
Least favourite is spy, as my friend plays spy, and makes me ever more paranoid, until I'm hiding in a corner shooting my shotgun wildly :P
Post by: Nilocy on December 23, 2009, 10:15:23 pm
Post by: Someguyo on December 23, 2009, 10:18:54 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on December 23, 2009, 10:20:07 pm
I'm a battle engi if i ever do it, i'm basically a slower scout, who can set up hidden shite.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 23, 2009, 10:20:58 pm
My least favorite.....hmmm.....probably pyro, but that's only because they're all awesome.
Post by: Zai on December 23, 2009, 10:25:19 pm
My favourite class is spy (I like backstabbing)
But you are so good with "classic" Demo!
My favorite changes. I usually just play whatever I feel like playing at that moment, with some influence based on what a given situation calls for. Medic is pretty boring for me now though, so I don't play it too much anymore.
[PPE:] Yeah, "battle engy" as Jakk put it can be pretty fun. Defensive engy can be really boring by comparison (if more effective), especially with closed-in intel rooms like in Sawmill CTF.
Post by: dragnar on December 23, 2009, 11:03:47 pm
For related reasons my least favorite is pyro...
Post by: Jay on December 23, 2009, 11:09:57 pm
Three way tie between Huntsman sniper, Eyelander demoman, and Pyro.
Least favorite class?
Spy.
Post by: Volatar on December 23, 2009, 11:18:15 pm
My least favorite is spy, as I suck at it so bad :D
Post by: PTTG?? on December 23, 2009, 11:32:05 pm
Post by: Volatar on December 23, 2009, 11:35:42 pm
I have found that the sniper rifle is good for defense, and the huntsman for offense.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 23, 2009, 11:39:51 pm
What's the Huntsman good for, anyway? Besides pinning ragdolls to walls?Sniper rifle is 50 damage uncharged and 150 fully charged.
Headshot is 150 uncharged and 450 fully charged.
Huntsman 44-58 damage uncharged and 103-137 fully charged.
153 headshot uncharged and 360 fully charged.
...
So yeah, it just charges quicker.
Post by: fenrif on December 23, 2009, 11:42:35 pm
Favorite is Heavy, because he's squishy and loves sandwiches. Just like me.Least is Soldier. He's mean.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Heavy is the best mercenary... Sandvich is second best mercenary.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 24, 2009, 12:11:17 am
Plus you don't go into that annoying zoom mode that kills your peripheral vision. So it's better in close quarters.What's the Huntsman good for, anyway? Besides pinning ragdolls to walls?Sniper rifle is 50 damage uncharged and 150 fully charged.
Headshot is 150 uncharged and 450 fully charged.
Huntsman 44-58 damage uncharged and 103-137 fully charged.
153 headshot uncharged and 360 fully charged.
...
So yeah, it just charges quicker.
The arrow also somewhat slow moving, so you have to target ahead, Kind of reminds me of playing tribes, so it's some added fun when you can get one of those amazing shots against running people.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 24, 2009, 12:20:53 am
Least favourite is demoman.
Post by: Zai on December 24, 2009, 12:24:17 am
I have found that the sniper rifle is good for defense, and the huntsman for offense.
This. And the Huntsman has bigger hitboxes or something, so it's more forgiving in regards to getting headshots compared to the unzoomed Sniper Rifle. And the arrows can be lit on fire for added fun.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 24, 2009, 02:51:01 am
Targe demo is extraordinarily fun...
I like to burn peeps as a pyro.
I like a bit of battle engie too...
Post by: Myroc on December 24, 2009, 03:43:41 am
I rarely go spy, but when I do I am pretty effective seeing as I appear to be the only person alive who knows how to switch what weapon you appear to be wielding when disguised. I can't remember how many people I've fooled by switching to the wrench as a disguised engineer.
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on December 24, 2009, 04:21:13 am
Unfortunately, my internet is shit at home, so much so that I can't even log onto steam with it. >:| Ten minutes to login then LOL CRASH TO DESKTOP.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 24, 2009, 05:44:52 am
I'm so happy I crafted it.
Post by: Volatar on December 24, 2009, 11:00:28 am
I don't have a favorite class, I run around with whatever suits me at the moment.
I rarely go spy, but when I do I am pretty effective seeing as I appear to be the only person alive who knows how to switch what weapon you appear to be wielding when disguised. I can't remember how many people I've fooled by switching to the wrench as a disguised engineer.
How do you do that?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 24, 2009, 11:01:36 am
By switching weapons, then redisguising as the class you are currently disguised as.I don't have a favorite class, I run around with whatever suits me at the moment.
I rarely go spy, but when I do I am pretty effective seeing as I appear to be the only person alive who knows how to switch what weapon you appear to be wielding when disguised. I can't remember how many people I've fooled by switching to the wrench as a disguised engineer.
How do you do that?
Post by: Mr.Person on December 24, 2009, 02:54:09 pm
By switching weapons, then redisguising as the class you are currently disguised as.I don't have a favorite class, I run around with whatever suits me at the moment.
I rarely go spy, but when I do I am pretty effective seeing as I appear to be the only person alive who knows how to switch what weapon you appear to be wielding when disguised. I can't remember how many people I've fooled by switching to the wrench as a disguised engineer.
How do you do that?
The "Last Disguise" button is good for this. I have it on b, I think that's the default.
Post by: The Doctor on December 24, 2009, 03:06:57 pm
As well as having fast weapon switch.
Scroll down, press 3-1 (what with the new 3-button disguise).
Then switch to your sapper.
Press b.
Now you're a medic with his medigun out! :D
Post by: The Doctor on December 24, 2009, 07:02:09 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 24, 2009, 10:09:01 pm
I don't mind if people battlemedic, as long as they actually heal people who need it. I'm not expecting you to latch onto your team mates, but I do expect you to heal the 50 health burning heavy screaming in your face.
That's what I try to do, myself... though sometimes people leave me high and dry, a squishy medic with no soldier or heavy guard.
The other problem is when said screaming burning 50 health heavy is running around on the other side of the map... though some of that is lazy spies hoping that they can convince me to come to them.
And let's not forget the golden rule: Always Shoot Your Medic! That way they can tell if you're a spy or not! Otherwise, they have to get the syringe gun and give you a shot first. THEN they can get the medigun out and do some healing.
Post by: Greiger on December 24, 2009, 10:41:58 pm
Gameplaywize I love the soldier and pyro. Pretty much equally.
Soldier Is when I want to use stradegy and lead targets and things like that. I also don't really feel like the update added much to him. The equalizer seems to be basically a straight up upgrade, the buff banner makes him more of an artilleryman, needing to stay back until his rage meter is full, and I haven't played with the direct hit yet, but I'm probably too addicted to splash to like it.
The pyro is sorta run around and torch shit mode. Maybe a bit of ambushing on some maps. Pyro I can find a spot I like and then turn my brain off if I'm so inclined, which is nice. Though it is also possible to think while burning stuff to better effect if you want.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 25, 2009, 12:13:23 am
Equalizer does less melee damage at full health than a regular melee weapon. I hit a Demoman at full health with a crit and he came out with barely half his health gone. He then double Eyelander'd me, which was the reason I was whacking him in the first place. So again, no, it's not a straight upgrade, but it's so useful and powerful, it might as well be. Also, you can't be healed while wielding it.
On the other hand, the Equalizer taunt can actually be survived if you're at 300 health. You wind up with 15 health and get sent flying straight up in the air enough that you'll die on landing, but you can survive it. It's the easy way to give your medic friends that achievement where they save a person from falling to death.
Post by: zchris13 on December 25, 2009, 12:15:28 am
Post by: dragnar on December 25, 2009, 01:04:47 am
Post by: Eduren on December 25, 2009, 01:10:40 am
Post by: dragnar on December 25, 2009, 01:18:05 am
No its not, it is a teammate in need of healing; run towards him.Yes, then turn your back, I'd appreciate it.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 25, 2009, 02:24:45 am
So take the slightest glance and if it burns your color heal it!
Post by: Metalax on December 25, 2009, 10:25:14 am
Post by: Volatar on December 25, 2009, 10:42:18 am
Post by: PTTG?? on December 25, 2009, 03:17:22 pm
Bots?
Post by: Dr. Johbson on December 25, 2009, 03:51:05 pm
Not the smartest things, but fun.
Post by: dragnar on December 25, 2009, 08:13:27 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 25, 2009, 10:28:09 pm
They are insane spycheckers though. And I can't wait until they figure out how to use unlocks.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 25, 2009, 10:29:02 pm
They are insane spycheckers though. And I can't wait until they figure out how to use unlocks.
And by that, you mean they basically treat spies as normal enemies all the time.
Post by: Eduren on December 25, 2009, 10:34:16 pm
And then when I went back to normal servers I had one of those "What if everybody is a bot?" moments.
Post by: Cheeetar on December 25, 2009, 10:36:17 pm
Post by: dragnar on December 25, 2009, 10:37:42 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 25, 2009, 10:46:06 pm
Is it possible to actually be disguised to a bot? I.E. be a spy and not have them shoot you on site when disguised.Their blog post (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3279) about the subject has more info but apparently they have no more information than an actual client connected to an actual server. So no maphacks, hidden knowledge, etc.
They are basically a robot made to play the game. And they are fairly good at what they do, considering how complex and tactical TF2 can get. Its also the reason that the bots cant play Scout or Spy yet, it is just such a complicated game.
Post by: The Doctor on December 25, 2009, 11:07:31 pm
Not sure if it's a glitch or not, but it seemed very much like a realistic heavy.
Post by: Greiger on December 25, 2009, 11:44:50 pm
Post by: fenrif on December 26, 2009, 01:28:00 am
I've had heavies look at me revved up, for like 20 seconds, and after I kept looking at them, something clicked in their code and they started shooting.
Not sure if it's a glitch or not, but it seemed very much like a realistic heavy.
I get that too sometimes when i play heavy, you rev up the gun and then... ohh spinning. spin. spin. spin. spin. spin... wait, what am i doing?
Post by: Someguyo on December 26, 2009, 02:50:35 am
Maybe if you had kept moving around paying it no mind it wouldn't have shot(no I havent played against the bots yet so I don't know) but if you just stood there watching it that could have very well looked like the 'deer in headlights effect' I often see in spies while playing that just screams in big letters "Fill me full of bullets because I am a spy and I need more heavy metals in my diet!"
He'll still shoot you. I would know. I go for the front lines as though I'm about to attack but they shoot me. I guess they think I'm trying to go back to heal. Either that or they're trying to shoot someone else and I get hit by the stray bullets :P
Post by: PTTG?? on December 26, 2009, 03:51:24 am
There's a minor bug where teams consisting entirely of medics seem content to stay in the base, thanking each other and calling themselves "her doctor".
Post by: The Doctor on December 26, 2009, 01:11:42 pm
As in Herr Hitler, Das Fuhrer, Heil Hitler, Ve Must Exterminate Ze Jews.
So... Yeah.
I don`t know why I typed this.
Post by: tp12 on December 27, 2009, 11:42:38 am
Herr!....
As in Herr Hitler, Das Fuhrer, Heil Hitler, Ve Must Exterminate Ze Jews.
So... Yeah.
I don`t know why I typed this.
Moving on, My favorite class is the spy, because I like to break sentries and their engineers long before my team even gets close to them.
(Unless there are no engies on the opposing team... then I just try to backstab anyone who happens to have a back.)
And next on my list is sniper, because I am a pretty decent counter, and nothing pisses snipers of more than being sniped.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 27, 2009, 12:31:08 pm
and nothing pisses snipers of more than being sniped.By a Spy.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 27, 2009, 12:49:05 pm
Or a soldier.and nothing pisses snipers of more than being sniped.By a Spy.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 27, 2009, 12:51:13 pm
I AM HEAVEE AND I SHOOT YOO FROM BEHIND.Or a soldier.and nothing pisses snipers of more than being sniped.By a Spy.
This is followed by the sniper screaming things about "How did you let a heavy past unmolested?!"
Post by: ToonyMan on December 27, 2009, 12:57:19 pm
2. Play as HWG.
3. Roll a no-clip.
4. Go under their spawn.
5. ???
6. Profit!
Post by: Aldaris on December 28, 2009, 02:30:28 pm
Also, I finally got a working mike! \o/ Also Jenkins.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 28, 2009, 02:51:33 pm
Post by: Eduren on December 28, 2009, 06:02:09 pm
Guys! The meet the medic vid was leaker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmRV_UuXQyY&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmRV_UuXQyY&feature=fvw)Oh god, the part where he disses the announcer was priceless. And those pants!
Post by: PTTG?? on December 28, 2009, 09:37:39 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 28, 2009, 09:48:05 pm
I think that the soundtrack was really the best part.
Beats the Spy one now.
Post by: Volatar on December 28, 2009, 11:51:07 pm
Post by: The Doctor on December 29, 2009, 12:02:22 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 29, 2009, 12:13:19 am
It's a bloody rick roll, can we stop it now?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buzzkill (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buzzkill)
Post by: Volatar on December 29, 2009, 01:01:34 am
Post by: Aldaris on December 29, 2009, 04:12:10 am
Post by: umiman on December 29, 2009, 06:04:47 am
There's at least a screen of positive comments, so most people reading the thread will click the link. Rickroll achieved!I bet you just wanted to get revenge after you fell for it somewhere else.
Post by: Aldaris on December 29, 2009, 12:34:32 pm
Post by: Jreengus on December 29, 2009, 12:54:21 pm
Post by: Zai on December 29, 2009, 01:38:20 pm
So anyone else unable to get the soldiers MVP achievement? I finish a round as an MVP having played soldier for the entire round/game/day/week/month/year/infinity and yet the count doesn't increase. It refuses to go above 0.
Were you the MVP?
Post by: Jreengus on December 29, 2009, 02:09:30 pm
Post by: Metalax on December 29, 2009, 04:18:24 pm
Post by: Jay on December 29, 2009, 04:20:46 pm
Damn intercontinental internet :C
Post by: Jreengus on December 29, 2009, 05:20:44 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 29, 2009, 05:44:14 pm
I can still make it, right?
Post by: Someguyo on December 29, 2009, 05:49:26 pm
Post by: Metalax on December 29, 2009, 06:08:52 pm
Post by: Xotes on December 30, 2009, 01:11:08 pm
Getting 7 kills a life.
Increased resistance against Pyros, Soldiers and other Demomen.
Able to make speedy escapes with the charge.
Feels good, man.
Post by: Someguyo on December 30, 2009, 01:49:47 pm
I really like destroying engineer's bases now. My favorite technique is to sap their teleporter, then wait for them to knock the sapper off, and I telefrag them.
Post by: Eduren on December 30, 2009, 01:52:48 pm
I really like destroying engineer's bases now. My favorite technique is to sap their teleporter, then wait for them to knock the sapper off, and I telefrag them.People still fall for that?
Post by: Myroc on December 30, 2009, 02:05:43 pm
Post by: Siquo on December 30, 2009, 02:40:35 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 30, 2009, 11:05:31 pm
Yes, I found that technique working well. Or just Pyro-Kite them :D
My method can probably be best described in the words of the War3 tauren chieftan; "Puff, puff, pass... that's the rule".
Set them on fire. Puff them once into the air, twice to get height, then pass them off to a sentry nest, enviromental drop, kritzed heavy, etc.
If there's nothing to throw them to, and there's no other enemies around, instead of passing, let em fall, flame again, and repeat.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 30, 2009, 11:07:23 pm
Like a badass
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 31, 2009, 01:25:29 am
The Force-A-Nature works quite well as well.Only if you are one of those bastards that can do max damage from twenty feet away despite me not one-hit-killing some classes at point blank range.
<.<
But yeah, I always play on a convoy server nowadays. Convoy is basically two large trucks carrying missiles across a canyon with bridges connecting them. They are surrounded by killboxes. There is wind.
Airblasting is oh so fun.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 31, 2009, 01:28:00 am
Soldiers are not as fortunate.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 31, 2009, 01:29:44 am
I thought I knew how to once. Then one day I didn't.
Such is the mystery of the airstraife.
But yeah, snipers are stupidly strong when coupled with accurate shotgun engies.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 31, 2009, 01:58:02 am
The kickback is rather uncontrollable, I've found. If someone's REALLY asking for it, standing on the very edge of a cliff, I can see dashing in and knocking them over, but it's probably going to kill them from the damage.
Post by: Nilocy on December 31, 2009, 12:21:45 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 31, 2009, 01:35:56 pm
The FaN is probably my favourite weapon ever. I love triple jumping to dodge snipers/rockets and pyros. It can also get you outta a tight spot quickly, and the killing potential of it is pretty amazing, just run up behind any character unload two shots you've either killed them or seriously wounded and you just finish them off with a pistol or a bonk to the head :D
Indeed. You can kill anything except a heavy at pointblank.
Post by: Aldaris on December 31, 2009, 01:42:15 pm
And I really want the sword.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 31, 2009, 01:42:29 pm
Post by: Charmander on December 31, 2009, 01:53:49 pm
Can't do that with the normal scattergun.
Post by: Greiger on January 01, 2010, 12:02:10 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Anyway Happy new year US east!
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 01, 2010, 12:28:51 am
Post by: Zai on January 01, 2010, 12:48:11 am
Look it's a wallscootSpoiler (click to show/hide)
I've seen better
Circumstances under which the shot was made are more impressive than a pic of it after the fact, me thinks.
And ew, JPEG.
Post by: Greiger on January 01, 2010, 12:39:46 pm
And it was a scout jumping during those lowgrav games, harrasing the spawn from afar. Then I guess he somehow lost all his momentum midjump and I just arced an arrow over the wall from the spawn and headshot him as he slowly drifted to earth.
EDIT: Well I suppose I should say I TRIED to arc it. It went absolutely straight cuz of the lowgrav. And if I had arced it like I intended I woulda hit the foot. But it sounds cooler if we just ignore that part.
Post by: Eduren on January 01, 2010, 01:46:06 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on January 01, 2010, 02:09:07 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 01, 2010, 02:16:32 pm
Post by: Jreengus on January 01, 2010, 02:20:53 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 01, 2010, 03:53:15 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 01, 2010, 04:12:54 pm
Post by: Giant Snowman on January 02, 2010, 09:12:22 am
Post by: tp12 on January 02, 2010, 06:53:39 pm
That little house on ctf-doublecross is the most annoying. I always hit it when I jump ot the enemy base. It always sends me falling down the ravine or in front of someone with a huge sword.That somehow sounds familiar... but somehow also not... hmm...
Post by: Mr.Person on January 02, 2010, 08:15:32 pm
That little house on ctf-doublecross is the most annoying. I always hit it when I jump ot the enemy base. It always sends me falling down the ravine or in front of someone with a huge sword.That somehow sounds familiar... but somehow also not... hmm...
It sounds like Halo.
Post by: PTTG?? on January 05, 2010, 11:26:10 pm
- Appros to somebody, don't know who; the Coward Masher, a wrench that swings slower, does less damage, and here's the good part, unmasks spies. Best used to hit that suspicious looking engineer who just happens to be your twin brother, when you're nice and close to your sentry.
- Ammopult: Uses your metal supply to shoot ammo boxes at your allies. Much like the medigun's healthful glow, this allows you to follow friends up into the breech.
- Vaccum-gun: Sucks up pickups from far away, and pulls stickies off of surfaces. Use this to unmine an area, or collect ammo for launching with the ammopult. I don't really like this one myself, though. It might just work.
Buildings:
-Sapsucker Turret:
Shoots sticky pine sap at enemies, slowing them down (and, incidentally, making them leave footprints even if cloaked). Does no damage, but this combined with a regular turret, or perhaps a pyro or sniper, is quite effective. Use it to prevent flag escapes as well! Engies that see an enemy turret like this attack a spy have a small chance to say "Sentry sappin mah Spy!
Sap goes away much like fire. Come to think of it, sap is kinda flamable, but even if it just reset the timer on it, that would be a little crazy...
Crit-o-spencer:
Similar to a dispenser (replacing it), this is a dispenser that grants all allies within radius increased odds of a critical hit/minicrit depending on level.
Dispence-o-bang:
Enemy spies see a regular dispenser; you and your allies see a cardboard box full of dynamite with a dispenser drawn on the front. It explodes a few moments after being shot, or instantly when sapped. While mean to spies, the engy must sacrifice regular dispensers to build this.
Spring pad: Replaces teleporter entrance and exit; a single, glowing platform that shoots allies up into the air. In this way, you might surprise the enemy with a squad of heavies bouncing over the roof.
Landing pad: Similar to the spring pad, this allows units to land without falling damage. This is not as useful as it might seem; usually fall damage is only around 10-20 points anyway. Occasionally, this would be useful to open up a new route.
Achievements:
Time to kill (or Just Killn' Time): Kill someone with a taunt while Ubercharged, or possibly, with less than a second left in the match.
Turret of Terror: Use a turret to get revenge, then use the same turret to dominate that player.
Return of the turret: Unsap a turret and have it kill the spy who did it, 25 times. (maybe more)
Plan C: (like Plan B, he he ha ha) Kill 50 enemies without having any buildings
Comments:
I kinda like the guitar. It's just sooo weak the way you describe it. I'm not saying it has to be unbalanced, but some neat ability would be nice. And an engineer unable to repair, let alone build, is just a little out there. It could work, maybe.
Post by: umiman on January 06, 2010, 12:02:40 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 06, 2010, 12:05:28 am
Just because it'd be COOL
Post by: PTTG?? on January 06, 2010, 12:24:53 am
The engy needs a CROWBAR.
Just because it'd be COOL
OH SNAP
Cowardbar: you can use it to lever that tricksy mask off the face of that spy with one hit.
I like it!
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 06, 2010, 12:25:55 am
YOU MADE MY IDEA SOUND AWESOMERThe engy needs a CROWBAR.
Just because it'd be COOL
OH SNAP
Cowardbar: you can use it to lever that tricksy mask off the face of that spy with one hit.
I like it!
Post by: Rilder on January 06, 2010, 12:33:28 am
Post by: Someguyo on January 06, 2010, 01:10:21 am
Pet Dispensers: 1-3 weak healing/ammo-regening dispensers that follow people around as well.
Pet Speedispensers: 1-3 dispensers that just increase speed by 20% or something.
The list could go on with little bots that follow you around and help you out. Most of these were thought of because they're making working bots and I'm guessing that the engy will have something incorporated with those bots. I mean come on, he could make a robot.
Post by: PTTG?? on January 06, 2010, 01:43:42 am
I kinda like robots that latch on to enemies, if only so you can unleash a sentry to sap spies... but I prefer my sapsucker.
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on January 06, 2010, 01:58:33 am
All these wacky ideas are too out there. The will require to much input and time on valves behalf, Valve doesn't want to put in effort for something that won't make them many sales and dollars. They will do something that is easy, yet will be different enough to the original for people to like it.
Post by: Myroc on January 06, 2010, 04:59:36 am
Post by: Giant Snowman on January 06, 2010, 12:50:09 pm
Post by: Sensei on January 06, 2010, 06:53:26 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 06, 2010, 07:01:16 pm
Upgradeable? Perhaps. Mayhaps at level 1 they are much weaker than the original weapon and at level 3 they are the same?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 06, 2010, 07:01:50 pm
Also, the "Swiss Army Sentry," amirite?
Post by: dragnar on January 06, 2010, 10:04:40 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 06, 2010, 10:12:14 pm
Post by: Sensei on January 06, 2010, 10:40:59 pm
Or maybe just land mines?
Post by: Zai on January 06, 2010, 10:41:25 pm
I read that someone suggested a gun replacement that acts as a laser pointer. Whenever switched to, it makes your sentry go into "manual fire" mode, where you point and click at an area for your sentry to fire at. Makes it easier to spycheck and "snipe" other players.
That is a great idea.
Post by: Cheeetar on January 06, 2010, 10:51:48 pm
Post by: Jreengus on January 07, 2010, 08:16:09 am
I really don't want to see any changes to any of the buildings, except for one thing: If the engineer taunts with the PDA out it should make the sentry do a taunt.
Post by: Myroc on January 07, 2010, 10:50:01 am
Note: Sentries should not fire at cloaked/disguised spies that are detected. That would still be overpowered.
Post by: Jreengus on January 07, 2010, 11:06:58 am
Post by: umiman on January 07, 2010, 04:11:45 pm
Depending on the range that could be even worse! The spy is very hit and miss as it is and engies are more resistant to them than any other class bar the pyro. The last thing spies need is additional difficulty.What?
Post by: Jreengus on January 07, 2010, 04:15:08 pm
Post by: zchris13 on January 07, 2010, 07:23:46 pm
Post by: Eduren on January 07, 2010, 08:01:22 pm
Post by: dragnar on January 07, 2010, 09:58:56 pm
"Engies are resistant to spies thing"They are, It takes VERY good timing to take out an engie with a level-3 sentry nearby- you have to sap it then backstab the engie before he notices.
"The spy is very hit and miss as it is"The spy dies more than any other class, why do you think backstabs are worth 2 points?
"the last thing spies need is additional difficulty"This is true, I see no confusion here.
Post by: Giant Snowman on January 08, 2010, 08:51:40 am
Post by: Apple Master on January 08, 2010, 09:43:45 am
Skibiliano convinced me to get steam, so ah did.
I joined the group, if anyone wants to add me as friend go for it.
I also just bought TF2, so if anyone could fill me in on the basics (unless there's a "tutorial" of sorts?) that'd be dandy.
Post by: Jakkarra on January 08, 2010, 10:39:45 am
I'll be on steam later, Name's Jakkarra, Email is (is you need to use that): Jakkarra@MSN.com
Post by: PTTG?? on January 08, 2010, 10:51:05 am
Post by: Apple Master on January 08, 2010, 10:51:35 am
I'll add you on Steam friends, just in case.
It's on 25% at the moment, so it shouldn't be that long..
Post by: Megaman on January 08, 2010, 05:36:26 pm
Man, what was wrong with the server? I was lagging for four or five seconds at a time, then I'd play fine for half a minute, then I'm lagging. I was practically playing turn-based.happens to me too. We're probably too far away from the server and I actually lag people, so now I can never return.
Post by: Apple Master on January 08, 2010, 05:44:15 pm
is that purely my internet being slow or what?
Post by: umiman on January 08, 2010, 06:24:10 pm
It's happening to me nowadays as well. Normally, even if my ping is nutso, I can somewhat adapt but when it becomes slideshow... well...Man, what was wrong with the server? I was lagging for four or five seconds at a time, then I'd play fine for half a minute, then I'm lagging. I was practically playing turn-based.happens to me too. We're probably too far away from the server and I actually lag people, so now I can never return.
Post by: fenrif on January 08, 2010, 10:33:16 pm
I also just bought TF2, so if anyone could fill me in on the basics (unless there's a "tutorial" of sorts?) that'd be dandy.
1) Pick heavy as your class
2) never stop shooting
3) press C then 3 (repeat as needed)
With this winning strategy you shall be unstoppable!
Post by: Sensei on January 08, 2010, 10:42:15 pm
But, is there an FAQ on crafting somewhere? And how about rankings? These confuse me.
Post by: Zai on January 08, 2010, 10:47:27 pm
Post by: Baldin Brewbeard on January 08, 2010, 10:56:33 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on January 08, 2010, 11:00:41 pm
I also just bought TF2, so if anyone could fill me in on the basics (unless there's a "tutorial" of sorts?) that'd be dandy.
1) Pick heavy as your class
2) never stop shooting
3) press C then 3 (repeat as needed)
With this winning strategy you shall be unstoppable!
Unless there is, for example, a sniper, or a spy, or a soldier with kritz, or a heavy with a medic, or a demoman, or... :p
Seriously though, @Apple. There are three things that will make your life a shitload easier in this game.
First, learn to dodge.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Second is situational awareness.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Finally, alternate routes.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's by no means a complete list, as things like ammo management etc are also important, but those are the big 3. Anyway, hope that helps :)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 08, 2010, 11:17:49 pm
2. Situational Awareness: Unless somebody jumps, or turns a corner the very moment you stop looking at it. Or your allies don't defend the rear to allow that guy to get you. Or your allies abandon you right when you enter a firefight.
3. Flanking: Unless the entire other team is going through this alternate route.
Prepare your shrine to the RNG, as despite how much skill you have you will fall prey to crap happening. The best you can hope for is avoiding the other team and pick off the stragglers who can't aim.
Post by: Jakkarra on January 08, 2010, 11:24:05 pm
2. Pyro is a shitty class, go heavy, demo solly or sniper.
3. Stand still when you are shooting, it makes you more accurate.
4. Always face the front line.
5. As a sniper, wait in one place with your scope on, waiting for the best shot, you will get an achivement if you stay there enough liv- I mean times.
6. Get any team-mates running around spamming "MEDIC!" behind you.
Yeah, right there, behind you. Make sure you arent looking in their direction, you might die that way.
Post by: Zai on January 08, 2010, 11:36:26 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 08, 2010, 11:49:28 pm
Can I have my family back now?
Post by: Jakkarra on January 08, 2010, 11:50:49 pm
I do believe our little arrangement here will be beneficial for both parti- I mean, *Ahem* Shucks Pardner, Y'all better follar this here advice, It seems like a good peice of In-Fo Mashun right here, I reck'n. Yee-Haw and all that.
(You may have them back when you give me the plans for the perfect clown car.)
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 08, 2010, 11:51:59 pm
The TF2 community must not play many FPS games, every other game has this feature...
Post by: umiman on January 09, 2010, 12:00:24 am
Code: [Select]
/admin
Freeze [DFC] Jakkarra
Post by: Metalax on January 09, 2010, 04:30:37 am
Code: [Select]
/admin
Beacon [DFC]Jakkarra
Post by: Jakkarra on January 09, 2010, 06:58:57 am
It isnt fucking funny anymore.
Post by: Siquo on January 09, 2010, 07:25:51 am
It's surprising how many people don't know about the accuracy increase, everyone seems to run around...
The TF2 community must not play many FPS games, every other game has this feature...
Enlighten us please?
Post by: Jakkarra on January 09, 2010, 07:27:08 am
Seriously, try it.
Post by: Apple Master on January 09, 2010, 07:45:20 am
Regarding connecting to the "main" servers, It hangs on getting server info, and I have to end process etc. Is that my internet connection or what?
It's not a firewall.
Post by: Siquo on January 09, 2010, 07:49:29 am
I'm a pyro. Accuracy is not an issue. ;D
Post by: Jakkarra on January 09, 2010, 07:52:42 am
How long are you waiting for?
Post by: Cheeetar on January 09, 2010, 07:55:07 am
Ahh, it was related to your post...
I'm a pyro. Accuracy is not an issue. ;D
Yeah, but as previously mentioned, the pyro is an incredibly underpowered class, and shouldn't be played by anyone.
Post by: tp12 on January 09, 2010, 08:07:51 am
Thanks for that advice.try waiting for at least 10 minutes once, or else you should redownload.
Regarding connecting to the "main" servers, It hangs on getting server info, and I have to end process etc. Is that my internet connection or what?
It's not a firewall.
Post by: Apple Master on January 09, 2010, 08:14:32 am
Post by: Metalax on January 09, 2010, 09:05:27 am
Ahh, it was related to your post...
I'm a pyro. Accuracy is not an issue. ;D
Yeah, but as previously mentioned, the pyro is an incredibly underpowered class, and shouldn't be played by anyone.
Nah, it takes skill + good knowledge of the maps to actually use a pyro effectively.
Post by: dragnar on January 09, 2010, 09:49:20 am
Post by: Apple Master on January 09, 2010, 10:19:46 am
I managed to connect and have 4 or 5 rounds as a demoman.
However, It's apparent I'm gonna have to invest in a new GFX card before I play heavily.
Post by: ToonyMan on January 09, 2010, 01:39:00 pm
Ahh, it was related to your post...
I'm a pyro. Accuracy is not an issue. ;D
Yeah, but as previously mentioned, the pyro is an incredibly underpowered class, and shouldn't be played by anyone.
Nah, it takes skill + good knowledge of the maps to actually use a pyro effectively.
I've always thought Heavy could do everything Pyro can.
Post by: Jakkarra on January 09, 2010, 02:15:05 pm
Apart from being lame...
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 09, 2010, 02:16:18 pm
Apart from being lame, toon.*mows jakkarra down with natasha*
Apart from being lame...
Post by: Jakkarra on January 09, 2010, 02:17:20 pm
Speaking of which, he does more damage when crouched and firing. CROUCH AND FIRE. DO IT. DO IT NOW.
Post by: ToonyMan on January 09, 2010, 02:18:56 pm
That.
Cannot.
Be.
Disliked.
I don't know how you can dislike the Heavy.
Post by: debvon on January 09, 2010, 02:33:27 pm
Ahh, it was related to your post...
I'm a pyro. Accuracy is not an issue. ;D
Yeah, but as previously mentioned, the pyro is an incredibly underpowered class, and shouldn't be played by anyone.
This is quite false. A pyro who's in the right position at the right time can cause extreme damage and confusion. Not only does his flame (especially if 'twirled') draw attention, the airblast can be used to buy enough time for an escape. If you live, which most decent pyros do, you've not only taken half or more of everyone's HP but you've also broken the line.
Think of pyros as molten war dogs. You unleash them at the correct time in the correct place and you've got a screaming, flaming, confused group of enemies who are desperately trying to find water, a med-pack, or the pyro. That's all it takes sometimes. This is only one of the uses of the pyro. Granted he's not good for EVERY situation, but that's why knowing multiple classes is a good thing!
And as far as the "no aim required" argumenet goes, I've found that using the flamethrower effectively DOES require a bit of aiming focus. Example:
You run into an enemy crowd consisting of 1 resting demoman, 1 medic, 1 engineer, 1 soldier, and 1 dispenser.
The wrong way- You wildly spurt fire everywhere in hopes that you'll get a kill or two before exploding. The soldier blows you up immediately.
The right way- You quickly mark each player in your mind with a kill priority. Soldier first, demo at the same time if possible, then the medic and engineer. Lastly the dispenser.
Now that you have an actual game plan, you'll need to execute it smoothly. Taking out the soldier and demo quickly is a must and therefore you'll need to focus ALL of your damage on them before the confusion wears off. Getting a feel for the thrower will allow you to arc your flame while you strafe, causing every bit of the fire to hit the enemy. Strafe, jump, duck, all while pouring napalm on your targets. When the two are down, do a quick twirl to ignite everyone else and begin working on your next targets.
You could also simply set them on fire and hide while your heavy/medic friends jump from behind a corner. Flaming fish in a barrel! As a bonus you can sneak back up and roast them while they attempt to take out your pals.
Damage output from the flamethrower all depends on where it's aimed, how long it's aimed, and if the flame even hits. You'll notice that with 1 on 1 pyro battles your flame will often 'derail'. These moments are wonderful fire arcing practice. If you can keep your flame on the enemy pyro the ENTIRE time he's strafing and carrying on then you know you're ready for a large scale surprise attack. It does take skill to pull one of those off.. and a bit of luck, of course.
Post by: Siquo on January 09, 2010, 02:54:02 pm
;D
Post by: dragnar on January 09, 2010, 04:54:17 pm
Yeah, there's just some things.Yes. And it isn't even like there's a giant target on his back at all...
That.
Cannot.
Be.
Disliked.
I don't know how you can dislike the Heavy.
Post by: ToonyMan on January 09, 2010, 05:07:41 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 09, 2010, 07:29:09 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 10, 2010, 01:43:01 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on January 10, 2010, 02:34:55 pm
Post by: dragnar on January 10, 2010, 04:11:15 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on January 10, 2010, 06:21:11 pm
Yeah, heavies are a perfectly good class, but they are also incredible targets. Half their job on the team is to take hits, and lots of them.
Ah, but then he's got lots of hit points, doesn't he? And then the medic has lots of hit points to heal, and thus use to build Ubercharge! And then there's this heavy there, isn't there? And suddenly, rather than a big sack of lard for hitt'n, you've got a giant angry glowing bear with a cannon in it's paws on your hands.
And very few people like that!
Post by: Greiger on January 10, 2010, 06:26:09 pm
Post by: Sensei on January 10, 2010, 06:55:53 pm
Post by: dragnar on January 10, 2010, 06:57:09 pm
Yea but even then its a very slow angry glowing bear. Half the time if yer not an engy you can get away or disrupt the uber.And yet uber-heavies still tend to get a rather large number of kills.
Post by: Mr.Person on January 10, 2010, 08:08:05 pm
Yea but even then its a very slow angry glowing bear. Half the time if yer not an engy you can get away or disrupt the uber.And yet uber-heavies still tend to get a rather large number of kills.
Which is odd, since they actually make quite poor uber targets. Pyros are better at getting people off of a CP, Demos are better at killing buildings, and Heavies already have a lot of health, so they don't really need to be invincible. They do, however, make good Kritzkrieg targets, although arguably not as good as regular Soldiers.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 10, 2010, 09:05:04 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on January 10, 2010, 09:14:22 pm
- LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
(fifty years later) AAAAAAAAAG
One second it's all quiet, then all at once:
HOOOOOONK YOUR SENTRYDISPENSERTELEPORTER IS BEING SAPPEDISDOWN YOU'VE BEENBACKSTABBED YOUR TEAM IS LOOSING FOREVER YOU HAVELOST
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 11, 2010, 12:59:48 am
Overtime OVERTIME Ooooovertime overtime Overtime.
- LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
(fifty years later) AAAAAAAAAG
One second it's all quiet, then all at once:
HOOOOOONK YOUR SENTRYDISPENSERTELEPORTER IS BEING SAPPEDISDOWN YOU'VE BEENBACKSTABBED YOUR TEAM IS LOOSING FOREVER YOU HAVELOST
You failed!
The enemy has captured your intelligence!
Post by: Soulwynd on January 11, 2010, 11:45:05 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 11, 2010, 11:48:19 am
Post by: Deadbeard on January 11, 2010, 05:37:22 pm
Boink!
Post by: Sensei on January 11, 2010, 08:03:40 pm
Lessee, it would need:
-The kart vehicle itself (possibly one kart per class), which means a model, physics and animation. Not that hard, I think.
-Character animations for getting in/out (if we allow them to do so). Not hard if we get someone who's used to that.
-Code for checkpoints. Easy.
-Maps
-Probably, but not necessarily, weapon tweaks.
Post by: zchris13 on January 12, 2010, 05:46:31 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 12, 2010, 05:51:06 pm
Come now don't tell me you can't imagine him riding a comically small trike around with a circus-like tune playing in the background.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 12, 2010, 06:05:58 pm
Post by: dragnar on January 12, 2010, 06:27:34 pm
"Why are you running?! It's only ham!"
Post by: Sensei on January 12, 2010, 10:09:47 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 12, 2010, 10:51:48 pm
Nobody is ever on the DFC server...Try sundays.
Post by: Sensei on January 12, 2010, 10:58:19 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on January 13, 2010, 12:37:18 pm
I have REVISHUN to do.
*Sigh*
Post by: Greiger on January 13, 2010, 01:45:14 pm
Soldier WW2 German Military Motorcycle
Engineer Tow truck (With a sentry hanging off of the hook)
Demoman Excavation company truck(loaded with TNT)
Scout Go-Kart (with a full size nitrous cylinder on the back)
Medic Beat up old ambulance
Spy James-Bond style luxury car
Pyro Firetruck (that shoots napalm instead of water)
Post by: umiman on January 13, 2010, 02:11:05 pm
I won't be on at all for four months.Have fun!
I have REVISHUN to do.
*Sigh*
Post by: zchris13 on January 13, 2010, 07:44:16 pm
Sniper would obviously have his van.Heavy?
Soldier WW2 German Military Motorcycle
Engineer Tow truck (With a sentry hanging off of the hook)
Demoman Excavation company truck(loaded with TNT)
Scout Go-Kart (with a full size nitrous cylinder on the back)
Medic Beat up old ambulance
Spy James-Bond style luxury car
Pyro Firetruck (that shoots napalm instead of water)
Just going with the trike?
▼Don't tell me it's red, Duke. Don't do it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 13, 2010, 07:45:06 pm
Post by: Greiger on January 13, 2010, 07:48:21 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 13, 2010, 07:51:27 pm
Post by: Greiger on January 13, 2010, 07:52:24 pm
...
Genius.
Post by: Giant Snowman on January 13, 2010, 07:53:54 pm
People just gotta remember the heavy is a close range class. A heavy in an open area with lots of room is screwed up. But on corridors at shotgun range? Be afraid. An uber heavy is great when the sentry is in a corridor as well.I like great open rooms as a heavy. I may not be able to kill them, but I won't need to if I'm sitting on the objective. The people who linger outside my effective range or behind cover make good targets for the bombs and rockets of my friends.
That's right, he can be a sentrygun!
While on the subject of heavies:
Wouldn't the heavy want to drive the biggest car? An impossibly large tank or a train would do. Didn't Goldeneye have this Russian armoured train in it?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 13, 2010, 07:56:48 pm
...
My god. He would drive a train.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 13, 2010, 08:42:01 pm
Post by: umiman on January 13, 2010, 09:08:21 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on January 13, 2010, 09:18:48 pm
Post by: Zai on January 13, 2010, 09:46:58 pm
Update! Plus, I've heard from a friend that the medic now has a kill taunt.
Yep.
Quote from: Update News
Added Medic Ubersaw kill taunt
Post by: Someguyo on January 13, 2010, 09:56:13 pm
Also, I find it strange that I'm able to charge directly at a revved heavy as a pyro and just axe him to death then run back for health, if he even hits me.
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 14, 2010, 04:05:37 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 14, 2010, 04:12:20 am
Quote
Fixed the Gunboats absorbing damage from the Soldier's grenade kill tauntD:
WHYYYYYYYY?!
Post by: Jreengus on January 14, 2010, 09:34:50 am
They finally made it so that direct hit doesn't mini-crit jumping people. I am very happy.
I'm confused, so it now no longer minicrits at all?
Post by: Soulwynd on January 14, 2010, 09:42:26 am
It mini-crits people who have been thrown up by explosions. Rocket jumping soldiers, sticky jumping demos, and if you're skilled, people you make fly up with your rockets and then blow them out of the sky.They finally made it so that direct hit doesn't mini-crit jumping people. I am very happy.
I'm confused, so it now no longer minicrits at all?
Post by: PTTG?? on January 14, 2010, 10:36:44 am
Thus, Gunboots.
Post by: LASD on January 14, 2010, 10:45:12 am
Valve launched a TF2 contribution site. (http://www.teamfortress.com/contribute/index.php) There'll be a ton of new cool hats coming, as the quality is likely the same as in the propaganda contest.
But weapons? How's that possible, just skins? Or they will pick a few of the most balanced ones?
Post by: PTTG?? on January 14, 2010, 11:03:40 am
QUITE POSSIBLY THAT THEY WHERE SO AMAZED WITH ALL THE ENGY SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY HAD TO USE THEM ALL?
Post by: Soulwynd on January 14, 2010, 11:35:36 am
Why does everyone keep calling them boats? They're GunBOOTS. Obviously. They are boots.The name of the item is gunBOATS. BOATS.
Thus, Gunboots.
Post by: Jreengus on January 14, 2010, 02:12:14 pm
It mini-crits people who have been thrown up by explosions. Rocket jumping soldiers, sticky jumping demos, and if you're skilled, people you make fly up with your rockets and then blow them out of the sky.They finally made it so that direct hit doesn't mini-crit jumping people. I am very happy.
I'm confused, so it now no longer minicrits at all?
That seems like a horrible horrible nerf. I thought the idea was to allow you to get better damage if you hit anyone airborne. If I was going to change it at all I'd of made it so you need to score a direct hit to minicrit rather than allowing you to get it with blast damage.
EDIT: I really wish I had some idea of how to make models and stuff, I just had an awesome idea for a Pyro hat! A tiara which has as decoration fake flames coming up out it in a similar way to the spikey bits you get on some. It fits in with the whole pyro/fire theme and also flirts with the theory that the pyro is a girl.
EDIT2: What I mean is A) what do you think of the idea, genuinely good or am I blinded to its flaws? And B) Anyone know any good tutorials on how to make and texture these models?
Post by: Siquo on January 14, 2010, 04:45:33 pm
Post by: Myroc on January 14, 2010, 04:53:22 pm
Post by: Jreengus on January 14, 2010, 04:59:05 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on January 14, 2010, 05:00:05 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 14, 2010, 05:14:23 pm
Post by: Zai on January 14, 2010, 05:50:44 pm
Why does everyone keep calling them boats? They're GunBOOTS. Obviously. They are boots.
Thus, Gunboots.
Because their name is the Gunboats. Just look at the page (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/victory/) on the website with the humorous tale of the invention of stairs.
Post by: Sensei on January 14, 2010, 09:24:01 pm
I fell awesome.
...and I'm serious about the kart thing, when I get some time I may put some genuine work towards it. And yeah, I too was thinking the heavy would have a tricycle.
Post by: PTTG?? on January 14, 2010, 09:51:08 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 14, 2010, 09:55:20 pm
Why does everyone spell it wrong? It's Gunboots. Because, they are boots, and like all things, they can only be improved by the addition of guns. Hence, gunboots.Well why are they called the GUNboats? They are boots not guns!
Post by: zchris13 on January 14, 2010, 09:58:50 pm
Post by: Eduren on January 14, 2010, 10:22:33 pm
Some examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhv0VTxp0wo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEj_gU_momI
Post by: Cheeetar on January 14, 2010, 10:37:22 pm
Why does everyone keep calling them boats? They're GunBOOTS. Obviously. They are boots.
Thus, Gunboots.
But their official name is Gunboats. Why do people even call Nike's Nike's anyway? They're shoes.
Post by: Zai on January 14, 2010, 10:38:27 pm
Why do people even call Nike's Nike's anyway? They're shoes.
Because they are made for a goddess.
Post by: Sensei on January 14, 2010, 10:49:52 pm
Post by: Myroc on January 15, 2010, 08:46:04 am
Well some people have hacked up a version of Source Film Maker (http://etf2l.org/forum/movie/topic-8333/?recent=136092). This gives video quality only before seen in Valve's "Meet the __" videos.That looks awesome.
Some examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhv0VTxp0wo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEj_gU_momI
Post by: fenrif on January 15, 2010, 08:50:34 am
Post by: ToonyMan on January 15, 2010, 10:49:45 am
Why does everyone keep calling them boats? They're GunBOOTS. Obviously. They are boots.
Thus, Gunboots.
But their official name is Gunboats. Why do people even call Nike's Nike's anyway? They're shoes.
I like Gunboots more.
Post by: Soulwynd on January 15, 2010, 10:57:28 am
Makes me wonder... Why don't we get DoF and better quality in game? My video card barely has to make any effort to render it.Well some people have hacked up a version of Source Film Maker (http://etf2l.org/forum/movie/topic-8333/?recent=136092). This gives video quality only before seen in Valve's "Meet the __" videos.That looks awesome.
Some examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhv0VTxp0wo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEj_gU_momI
Post by: Mr.Person on January 15, 2010, 01:39:49 pm
Post by: Eduren on January 15, 2010, 01:50:35 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on January 15, 2010, 02:44:04 pm
If nobody else does, I'll send one, adressed from us all.
It's be lovely to play with those graphics, and with DirectX11 coming soon, we can almost definately do this.
Post by: dragnar on January 15, 2010, 06:39:08 pm
Yeah man Gunboats is totally a type of boat with a bunch of guns strapped to it. Like a fishing trawler. With guns. Not some stupid pair of boots. Why did valve make such an egregious mistake?Valve did not. The Soldier did. It it clearly a mistake on his part, not Valve's.
Post by: zchris13 on January 15, 2010, 07:16:45 pm
Post by: Zai on January 15, 2010, 07:21:51 pm
Then the soldier is just stupid/crazyWe already knew that.
Post by: Eduren on January 15, 2010, 09:51:48 pm
Y'know, we could send an email from us all to Robin asking for an option to use the Filmmaker's level of detail?They've planned on releasing it officially at some point, probably once the more necessary development is done.
Post by: Sensei on January 15, 2010, 11:13:45 pm
Anyone know how to do this?
Post by: zchris13 on January 15, 2010, 11:44:23 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on January 16, 2010, 12:41:40 am
It has a number of fringe benefits. For one, it would be about a zillion new voice recordings and interesting ways for the characters to interact, and two, it would expand the way the spy can trick medics to apply to everyone, which opens up the class- though at the same time, he is now more vulnerable to people spotting him and yelling HELP at him, causing everyone on the team to know they are there.
Heavy (general, healthy): Comrades! To me!
Heavy (enemy scout, healthy): Help catch tiny worm for crushing!
Heavy (allied pyro, healthy): I weill help funny little rubber person!
Heavy (enemy scout, injured): Help me! Tiny Baby is ANGRY!
Engineer (allied, damaged sentry, healthy): I'll fix that sentry for ya, pardner.
Pyro (Any enemy, healthy) [confident muffling]
Pyro (Any enemy, injured) [frantic muffling]
Medic (Allied Heavy, healthy): Vot an exelvent specimen! I shall vork vith you!
Medic (Ally, healthy, ubercharge ready): Ve are ready for ze charge, yes?
Ok, the pyro's pretty easy to write for.
Post by: Sensei on January 16, 2010, 02:52:33 am
That is all.
Post by: Ze Spy on January 16, 2010, 03:03:57 am
100 SCOUT SANDMAN TAUNTKILLS
no srs , i only use sandman for tauntkills or defence-scout(still thinking of a free for all mode
Post by: Myroc on January 16, 2010, 05:28:22 am
Post by: PTTG?? on January 16, 2010, 11:20:02 am
Pyro > Combine Mask
That is all.
Sorry, that can't possibly be true. Be-CAUSEEEEE... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xOLFl-xCA4)
Post by: Mr.Person on January 23, 2010, 01:22:41 am
Got my first hat today, a level 91 Football Helmet. I'm very happy with it.
Post by: tp12 on January 23, 2010, 06:30:49 pm
Post by: Myroc on January 23, 2010, 06:40:19 pm
Oh my we had a silly Saturday on the server... sv_gravity at -100 is great fun.And I seemed to have missed this as my connection decided to puke in my face. -_-
Post by: Zai on January 23, 2010, 07:27:33 pm
Post by: Synzig on January 24, 2010, 12:29:45 am
Post by: Eduren on January 24, 2010, 03:37:32 am
Today was the first time I've ever enjoyed playing TF2 and I've had it for.. a year?You poor, poor man.
Post by: tp12 on January 24, 2010, 06:05:28 am
Don't worry, I will call more gravity votes (EXTREME EDITION) in time... eventually...Oh my we had a silly Saturday on the server... sv_gravity at -100 is great fun.And I seemed to have missed this as my connection decided to puke in my face. -_-
Post by: Mr.Person on January 24, 2010, 02:54:35 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on January 24, 2010, 03:56:03 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 24, 2010, 04:06:50 pm
What happens with negative friction?I assume you accelerate any movement you make over time. Eventually you should go too fast to do anything.
Post by: dragnar on January 24, 2010, 04:25:27 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on January 24, 2010, 04:46:52 pm
What happens with negative friction?I assume you accelerate any movement you make over time. Eventually you should go too fast to do anything.
Until you hit a wall, yeah. It's also very hard to turn and impossible to stop without the help of a wall.
Post by: Jreengus on January 24, 2010, 05:02:07 pm
Post by: dragnar on January 24, 2010, 07:18:35 pm
Post by: Sensei on January 24, 2010, 10:54:45 pm
Post by: Mr Doctor on January 25, 2010, 01:25:34 am
RRRRRRRRRRGH.
Post by: ToonyMan on January 29, 2010, 08:25:22 pm
Post by: Eduren on January 29, 2010, 09:55:38 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 29, 2010, 10:35:19 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on January 29, 2010, 10:38:16 pm
We really need to get this, wherever it is. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qvSb1Al_sE&feature=related)That's a server mod called prophunt.
You can play it here, for example. 74.63.41.206:27015
Or you can search for prop in the server browser.
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 29, 2010, 10:44:32 pm
ToonyMan?
Post by: ToonyMan on January 29, 2010, 10:50:56 pm
Someone said "Bro Log is Bro" in that video.
ToonyMan?
I don't know, wasn't me.
I like the banjo music.
Post by: Sensei on January 29, 2010, 11:06:34 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 29, 2010, 11:40:20 pm
Every server tab except friends servers is blank. Joining friends servers puts that server as the sole one in my history. Entering a server IP into the favorite server tab does nothing, stating that no game could be found at that address.
Any suggestions?
Post by: Zai on January 29, 2010, 11:53:26 pm
I appear to be having some difficulties.Restart Steam and/or your computer?
Every server tab except friends servers is blank. Joining friends servers puts that server as the sole one in my history. Entering a server IP into the favorite server tab does nothing, stating that no game could be found at that address.
Any suggestions?
Post by: Mr.Person on January 30, 2010, 01:46:36 am
Just comments on how SOME PEOPLE cheated during the War. Oh, and talking about the Announcer and Saxton Hale's love life. Again, nothing interesting here.
Post by: Jakkarra on January 30, 2010, 04:49:54 am
y first proper game since i've been back!
I hope i get a tower of hats! (Also: Is it worth crafting my duplicates?)
Post by: Siquo on January 30, 2010, 07:23:31 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 30, 2010, 07:40:35 am
Restart Steam and/or your computer?Both had no effect.
Post by: Zai on January 30, 2010, 11:40:14 am
Post by: Jakkarra on January 30, 2010, 12:11:11 pm
I did so, and the servers are now accessible.
Post by: ILikePie on January 31, 2010, 11:26:05 am
Post by: Jakkarra on February 04, 2010, 12:22:26 pm
Update.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mr.Person on February 04, 2010, 12:27:42 pm
of each class.
Post by: Charmander on February 04, 2010, 01:02:52 pm
Although I tend to end up playing a class there isn't any of, anyway.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 04, 2010, 01:50:55 pm
Start up HL2.Beat it again, and no improvement. Hopefully the new version will cause a fix for some reason.
I did so, and the servers are now accessible.
Post by: ToonyMan on February 04, 2010, 01:56:47 pm
:D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 04, 2010, 02:00:30 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on February 04, 2010, 02:19:32 pm
Post by: Siquo on February 04, 2010, 03:19:47 pm
Reverted catalyst drivers from 10-1 back to 9-11, but no cigar. It's either those drivers or the update, I didn't have this yesterday...
:'(
Post by: Zai on February 04, 2010, 10:48:06 pm
Damn it. I hope this didn't fix too much. I had fun getting outside the maps. Watchtower was easy. Hopefully it still is.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ze Spy on February 05, 2010, 08:35:48 pm
lol , got bored , played some payload , and i got that from a heavy wepons guy
Post by: Grendus on February 06, 2010, 09:46:33 pm
Post by: The Doctor on February 06, 2010, 09:55:53 pm
Got this game in the orange box. I'm enjoying medic, and it does feel like I'm making a difference, especially when you have two medics working on the same Heavy. Crazy amounts of firepower, at least until someone frags a medic.More useful to heal the medic, actually.
You both get a quicker ubercharge, and the medic who is closer to combat has more health.
If two medics heal the same person, it doesn't heal faster, but your ubercharge goes up slower.
Post by: Sensei on February 06, 2010, 10:42:43 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
;D
Post by: Mr.Person on February 07, 2010, 01:30:53 am
Yay! i helped Duke!
Always help on Duke
Post by: Jakkarra on February 07, 2010, 06:53:57 am
Post by: Eduren on February 23, 2010, 11:46:43 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 24, 2010, 12:00:11 am
Post by: Metalax on February 24, 2010, 05:07:09 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 04:03:04 am
Guess who now has a Pickelhaube? :D
Post by: Siquo on February 26, 2010, 04:34:20 am
The Pyro Is Not Female!
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 26, 2010, 04:36:29 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 05:12:01 am
CanI don't recall Pyro's gender being set as canon either way.non takes a back seat to awesome.
Post by: Siquo on February 26, 2010, 05:49:22 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on February 26, 2010, 06:02:34 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 26, 2010, 06:37:16 am
Or perhaps he's just a crossdresser. Handbags could be handy for holding... firelighters?
Post by: Sowelu on February 26, 2010, 06:56:13 am
During the Sniper/Spy update, Valve occasionally changed the update pages for a minute to something different just to screw with people.
Observe the screencaps here, a couple snippets that were up on the newsposts:
http://www.ubercharged.net/2009/05/17/pyros-gender-teased-about-again/
This on the other hand refers to Pyro as male, with some doubt included:
http://www.teamfortress.com/images/posts/pyro_front.jpg
An interview with Robin Walker from before the Pyro update refers to 'her':
http://web.archive.org/web/20080729173141/csnation.totalgamingnetwork.com/articles.php/interview_244/
The voice actor for the Pyro is Dennis Bateman, the same actor who does the Spy, but that doesn't mean much to me. Personally, I'm leaning towards the pyro being female officially female, absurd body shape notwithstanding: That's two official sources who have unconditionally referred to Pyro as female, and one source that referred to Pyro as male but with some suspicion included.
I'm guessing that the "Meet the Pyro" movie won't be informative at all, however... Or stupid camera/timing tricks to hide anything useful once the helmet comes off.
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 07:02:06 am
Post by: Eduren on February 26, 2010, 06:14:39 pm
That said, they really give us something out of left field. "The pyro is an alien!"
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 06:18:34 pm
Uh.
"Pyro is sexless?"
Uhh...
"Pyro is a tiny baby coward?"
GO AWAY HEAVY
Post by: Soulwynd on March 03, 2010, 12:46:06 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3539
Not an update yet, but they are testing the possibilities.
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 03, 2010, 12:46:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 03, 2010, 12:52:22 pm
Second time through?
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 03, 2010, 12:53:24 pm
Post by: dragnar on March 03, 2010, 01:00:55 pm
More hats? <_<Never a bad thing... If I could find any. :(
Post by: Soulwynd on March 03, 2010, 01:03:52 pm
Post by: Eduren on March 03, 2010, 01:53:51 pm
What's going to happen after all the class updates are finished?They've said that they'll make another pass through the classes.
Second time through?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 03, 2010, 02:06:17 pm
What's going to happen after all the class updates are finished?They've said that they'll make another pass through the classes.
Second time through?
Yah.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on March 03, 2010, 05:24:52 pm
HAS to.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 03, 2010, 05:39:53 pm
Post by: Eduren on March 03, 2010, 05:48:38 pm
Gloves of Running Urgently (http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/GRU)
Post by: Pandarsenic on March 03, 2010, 08:16:04 pm
Heavy has to get a hammer and sickle.
HAS to.
Do want.
Post by: Sensei on March 04, 2010, 12:11:23 am
Post by: Sowelu on March 04, 2010, 01:53:01 am
Wow, that was awesome.
Post by: Jakkarra on March 13, 2010, 01:50:31 pm
I can't decide if i should go for the usual, Blu attacks, and Red defends, or to switch it.
I initially planned RED attacking, but with the fact that BLU isnt really a company that's assets work well with a sawmill, i'm debating whether to switch it back to the inital, Blu attacks, setup.
Any advice? (it's a multi-stage payload with a lumbermill as the main building)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 13, 2010, 01:53:52 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on March 13, 2010, 02:00:05 pm
it's just that i found it odd the "Builder's league United" were the ones to bomb the Demolitions company.
(i am well aware that these are just fronts for the factions)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 13, 2010, 02:05:50 pm
And builders unions are mighty fierce.
Post by: Jakkarra on March 13, 2010, 02:19:12 pm
Wooden buildings look nicer anyways. I'll have an alpha done soon, i'm asking on the server TP and me frequent if they will test it for me, you guys can come too :D
Post by: Mr.Person on March 13, 2010, 03:21:14 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on March 13, 2010, 05:45:57 pm
most of it dosent matter at this point, it;s all in dev textures for the alpha build, to see if it is fun to play as-is.
It should have a playable alpha before the ned of next week. I'll post update pics if anyone is interested.
Post by: Jakkarra on March 18, 2010, 05:34:49 pm
Righty-ho.
Also: My map is going Quite nicely.
Post by: LASD on March 18, 2010, 05:38:15 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3618&p=1 (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3618&p=1)I just checked the page 5 minutes ago and there was nothing. :( One day I'll be the first to announce news in my thread!
Righty-ho.
Also: My map is going Quite nicely.
Thanks for the heads-up though, this seems really cool.
EDIT: They aren't telling what they added? Interesting, guess I'll have to play to find out.
Post by: Jreengus on March 18, 2010, 05:45:26 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on March 18, 2010, 05:46:52 pm
100% more damage to Buildings, 20% les to players, Pyro melee.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on March 18, 2010, 05:47:30 pm
Sounds pretty cool.
Post by: Jreengus on March 18, 2010, 05:47:58 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on March 18, 2010, 05:59:37 pm
Also: "Server uses different class tables"
WHAT
Post by: Soulwynd on March 18, 2010, 06:04:40 pm
I know there's at least 154 items, because one of the people in NGC got "item 154" before the patch while playing. It didn't show in the backpack, but it showed in the xml info file. Now with the backpack updated, it's a hat. :D
So it's possible some of us already have community items without realizing it.
Post by: Jreengus on March 18, 2010, 06:22:23 pm
Quote
"Wait," you might be thinking, "won't this ruin the balance of the game with tons of overpowered weapon designs?" Nope. The contribute feature is exclusively for model design.
Post by: Jakkarra on March 18, 2010, 06:28:07 pm
The pain train, which gives the soldier the scouts capture speed in exchange for 10% increased boolet damage to himself.
maybe on payload.
Post by: Soulwynd on March 18, 2010, 06:30:42 pm
Having diversity is good. Even if most items will be situational or most likely good for one playstyle or another. It's good to have that stuff. I can't wait to find an item myself. <3
Post by: Jakkarra on March 18, 2010, 06:34:01 pm
There's the Heavy's Chocolate bar, by the way.... Uses the Sandvich sounds and lines, unfortunately though.
(and the classes are all getting a misc item, the Medic gota doctor's mask)
Post by: Jreengus on March 18, 2010, 06:34:45 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on March 18, 2010, 07:28:42 pm
This makes me very very sad, my chance of crafting a towering pillar of hats has now greatly decreased, will I never one (two technically) up Jakkarra now?
That's funny. I crafted a hat today and got the towering pillar.
Post by: Old-Man-Gator on March 19, 2010, 07:39:15 am
Post by: Eduren on March 19, 2010, 09:06:14 am
Post by: fenrif on March 19, 2010, 09:58:15 am
Post by: Zai on March 19, 2010, 10:50:50 am
I thought there was meant to be something like 154 new items?They lied to you.
I wants me some Carmen Sandiego red hat. Anybody know which class it's for?
Post by: Eduren on March 19, 2010, 11:00:59 am
Powdered wig on the Demo I think. Samurai helmet is definitely soldier, it has his logo in it.
Welders mask on the Pyro. DO WANT.
Post by: LASD on March 19, 2010, 11:02:57 am
I thought there was meant to be something like 154 new items?I'd guess that's the total number of items in the game after this update. With all the tokens and things counted.
Post by: Ampersand on March 19, 2010, 11:14:27 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 19, 2010, 11:28:58 am
Spy would be my guess.Spy gets powdered wig, and engineer gets welders mask.
Powdered wig on the Demo I think. Samurai helmet is definitely soldier, it has his logo in it.
Welders mask on the Pyro. DO WANT.
Post by: Jreengus on March 19, 2010, 12:07:53 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on March 19, 2010, 01:16:31 pm
Well, I didn't lie. But it's probably the index of the items. The item in the dude's backpack I saw showed as "item 154" or something similar.I thought there was meant to be something like 154 new items?They lied to you.
I wants me some Carmen Sandiego red hat. Anybody know which class it's for?
Unless valve has a crazy way of indexing items, there should be at least assigned space for 154 of them. It's likely that the dev items, the valve items, gift items, also use a index slot, so yeah, I guess the best way to put it, there has been at least 154 items in the game, not that we have access to them.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 19, 2010, 01:39:44 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 19, 2010, 02:08:01 pm
Post by: Walliard on March 19, 2010, 02:33:54 pm
I wants me some Carmen Sandiego red hat. Anybody know which class it's for?
This one?
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6843/demohat.png)
Post by: Eduren on March 19, 2010, 02:49:35 pm
Is the Heavy in the front page suppose to be that guy from No More Heroes?Doubt it. Aviators and a pompadour. Elvis maybe?
[Edit]: Yeah, its Elvis. The name of the image is "heavy_theking.jpg"
Post by: Zai on March 19, 2010, 03:37:14 pm
Image did not display, but judging by the name of the file, it's for Demo. Which is good, as that's one of the classes I like to play most now (Pyro, Demo, and Soldier).I wants me some Carmen Sandiego red hat. Anybody know which class it's for?
This one?
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6843/demohat.png)
...And TF2 Wiki confirms it's for Demo, and is named Hustler's Hallmark (http://www.tf2wiki.net/wiki/Hustler%27s_Hallmark). I wants it. My new top wanted hats: Hustler's Hallmark, Tyrant's Helm, and Killer's Kabuto.
Post by: Jakkarra on March 20, 2010, 06:30:38 am
Post by: LASD on March 20, 2010, 07:49:49 am
Pretty funny that they are following the example of a program they called cheating.
Post by: Schilcote on March 20, 2010, 08:00:20 am
Valve is apparently getting annoyed with people running the full game on the background just to get hats. They've added a launch option "-textmode", which reduces the game to just a command line window.
Pretty funny that they are following the example of a program they judged as cheating.
There's other reasons to do that as well. Testing DLL addons for one thing.
Post by: Jakkarra on March 20, 2010, 08:30:40 am
I'll go get the server all warm and toasty for you, if you catch my drift.
Post by: Eduren on March 20, 2010, 09:41:08 am
PSA: Your camerabeards can make hats now.
Post by: dragnar on March 20, 2010, 09:49:31 am
Post by: Jreengus on March 20, 2010, 10:50:35 am
Post by: Jakkarra on March 20, 2010, 10:51:07 am
Although they are still in the misc slot, the beard and the Mask have the same drop rate as hats again.
Eduren, this is the second time you have done this.
Post by: Eduren on March 20, 2010, 11:03:52 am
You didn't say anything about crafting...Although they are still in the misc slot, the beard and the Mask have the same drop rate as hats again.
Eduren, this is the second time you have done this.
Wow, anyone who crafted 3 beards into scrap metal must be kicking themselves right now.Makes me happy that I never got a third one. I would've crafted them.
But yes, I've heard people saying they had crafted like 20 camerabeards only weeks ago.
Post by: Schilcote on March 20, 2010, 11:50:34 am
Post by: Eduren on March 20, 2010, 11:55:45 am
http://www.tf2items.com/crafting/blueprints.php
3 Weapons->1 Scrap Metal
3 Scrap Metal->1 Reclaimed Metal
3 Reclaimed Metal ->1 Refined Metal
3 Refined Metal-> One random hat
So basically, 81 weapons=1 hat.
Post by: Schilcote on March 20, 2010, 12:12:26 pm
Why would anyone want to turn guns into hats (besides having a whole crapload of guns for some reason)?
Post by: dragnar on March 20, 2010, 12:26:19 pm
having a whole crapload of gunsThat's about it.
Post by: fenrif on March 20, 2010, 12:26:50 pm
Post by: Jreengus on March 20, 2010, 12:30:10 pm
And whilst you can't turn hats into guns you can turn 11 guns into another gun. 4 guns to make a slot token, 4 to make a class token 3 to make a scrap metal.
Post by: Myroc on March 20, 2010, 12:43:23 pm
And whilst you can't turn hats into guns you can turn 11 guns into another gun. 4 guns to make a slot token, 4 to make a class token 3 to make a scrap metal.Problem is, once you have 4 weapons of a specific class, you usually already have all the weapons for that class.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 20, 2010, 01:14:25 pm
Post by: The Doctor on March 20, 2010, 04:53:11 pm
But not all the hats.And whilst you can't turn hats into guns you can turn 11 guns into another gun. 4 guns to make a slot token, 4 to make a class token 3 to make a scrap metal.Problem is, once you have 4 weapons of a specific class, you usually already have all the weapons for that class.
If you want, say, the Heavies Ushanka, you can craft it.
Post by: Sensei on March 20, 2010, 07:39:57 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on March 20, 2010, 08:31:25 pm
Post by: Jreengus on March 21, 2010, 01:14:10 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ToonyMan on March 21, 2010, 01:15:19 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 21, 2010, 01:17:11 pm
Generally the only people who have them are ddevelopers(Duh) and people who can make it appear on them on their server only.
Post by: Jreengus on March 21, 2010, 01:23:07 pm
Post by: ILikePie on March 21, 2010, 01:24:08 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 21, 2010, 01:34:21 pm
Automatic rocket launcher? God, I love this game. Now where can I get me one of those?
Work at Valve?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 21, 2010, 01:37:31 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on March 21, 2010, 03:10:57 pm
Post by: The Doctor on March 21, 2010, 03:15:01 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on March 21, 2010, 03:26:13 pm
I'm adding rain to forestry comission, and a skybox high enough that you can't touch it with less than three stickies.
Post by: Mr.Person on March 21, 2010, 03:26:48 pm
Not for too long, maybe 5 seconds or so.
Because 5 seconds of critboost isn't good enough.
Post by: LASD on March 21, 2010, 06:01:55 pm
WHo here likes rain?I like those, but FPS probably won't be on the same lines, that picky little bugger.
I'm adding rain to forestry comission, and a skybox high enough that you can't touch it with less than three stickies.
Post by: Jakkarra on March 21, 2010, 06:06:02 pm
Post by: Bandages on March 21, 2010, 06:07:53 pm
I just purchased the Orange Box and am really interested in playing some TF2, and what better community for that than the
If a helpful person would like to walk me through how to get online/get into the DF server/get a username/all that crap I would be so incredibly greatful.
Post by: Jakkarra on March 21, 2010, 06:09:34 pm
In-game, your username is the same as your steam one, no change required.
Ask someone else for the IP, i am away from a steam-capable computer.
Post by: dragnar on March 21, 2010, 06:12:50 pm
WHo here likes rain?I like Rain! It hides the ripple of a moving spy with no cloak... well, partially at least.
I'm adding rain to forestry comission, and a skybox high enough that you can't touch it with less than three stickies.
Post by: Jakkarra on March 21, 2010, 06:14:37 pm
Post by: Zai on March 21, 2010, 06:56:55 pm
If a helpful person would like to walk me through how to get online/get into the DF server/get a username/all that crap I would be so incredibly greatful.Steam community page for the DFC: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress
Our TF2 server's IP: 217.163.31.206:27015
Pics, Jakkarra?
Post by: Jakkarra on March 21, 2010, 07:02:09 pm
Right now? I sleep.
Post by: Jreengus on March 29, 2010, 02:43:09 pm
Post by: The Doctor on March 29, 2010, 02:52:30 pm
Post by: Jreengus on March 29, 2010, 03:47:35 pm
I also just had an awesome match as a pyro. I was defending the last cap on dustbowl, kept on repeatedly flaring snipers burning spies reflecting crockets and ABing ubers off the bridge. This is pretty much what I normally do on that point but today I was on fire (not literally) and managed to skip out the whole dying part of it. Then next round I got auto balanced over to red, so I snuck up into the tunnel blue always hides in behind the door to charge ubers and gave 3 medics a pyro an engineer and his sentry and either one or two demos* a massive napalm enema.
*I lost count in the confusion, I know I set one on fire and killed one at the very end but I'm not sure if they were the same one.
Post by: Jakkarra on March 29, 2010, 04:45:46 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on March 29, 2010, 04:51:15 pm
Oh, and you can smelt Gunboats with other Soldier weapons now.
Post by: Jreengus on March 29, 2010, 04:58:19 pm
I found an ubersaw, crafted it and made:
Spoiler: Drum Roll (click to show/hide)
Post by: Metalax on March 30, 2010, 09:20:23 am
Oh, and you can smelt Gunboats with other Soldier weapons now.
Really? It still doesn't seem to work when I try it. When was this supposed to have been fixed?
Post by: Jreengus on March 30, 2010, 09:54:33 am
Post by: Mr.Person on March 30, 2010, 12:34:14 pm
Oh, and you can smelt Gunboats with other Soldier weapons now.
Really? It still doesn't seem to work when I try it. When was this supposed to have been fixed?
I'm not sure, several days now, I think.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on March 31, 2010, 07:18:05 pm
Funny April fools joke. Lot of work in it, too. Was actually linked on the steam beta TF2 news thing. You can actually click on the images when your viewing the blueprint, by the way.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 31, 2010, 07:21:17 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on March 31, 2010, 10:18:09 pm
And an animal crate.
Post by: Sensei on March 31, 2010, 10:41:45 pm
Post by: Thexor on March 31, 2010, 11:10:04 pm
http://kotaku.com/5506096/erectin-a-fan+made-team-fortress-2-engineer-update
Funny April fools joke. Lot of work in it, too. Was actually linked on the steam beta TF2 news thing. You can actually click on the images when your viewing the blueprint, by the way.
I'd appreciate it, if I could actually view it. Sadly, hugely popular website + low-bandwidth hosting solution = accidental DDoS attack. :'(
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 04, 2010, 01:05:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGrHBpfqCo&feature=player_embedded
Post by: Eduren on April 04, 2010, 03:38:10 pm
This is probably old, but a rather nice little video. If it isn't old, then screw dates and times and checking information. What am I, writing a college essay?Awesomeness. The syncing of the characters is really good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGrHBpfqCo&feature=player_embedded
Post by: Bandages on April 04, 2010, 03:40:09 pm
This is probably old, but a rather nice little video. If it isn't old, then screw dates and times and checking information. What am I, writing a college essay?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGrHBpfqCo&feature=player_embedded
I laughed the whole way through, nice find.
Also, SNIPERS. >:(
Post by: Mr.Person on April 05, 2010, 08:00:28 pm
Post by: umiman on April 05, 2010, 08:20:51 pm
- Pyro's fire chief hat
- Soldier's stash (looks almost the same to his normal helmet)
- Engie's railroad hat
- Sniper's trophy hat (virtually identical to his normal hat)
- Spy's camera beard (ew...)
I'd combine the camera beard with the trophy hat, but I think the chances of me getting something shitty as a result are greater than something good.
No more idling for me though, thank god.
Post by: Mr.Person on April 05, 2010, 09:12:01 pm
Towering Pillar of Hat
Ye Olde Baker Boy
Tyrant's Helm
Officer's Ushanka (gotten about an hour ago)
Vintage Tyrolean (gotten three days ago!)
Camera Beard
Oh, and 2 Ghastly Gibus. And I'm very close to crafting another hat, which I think I'll make a Pyro hat. I like all of the Pyro hats.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2010, 09:24:00 pm
Prussian pickelhaube
Then the generic stuff everyone gets.
Post by: Zai on April 05, 2010, 09:29:09 pm
I played on a server for an hour and was getting pretty high kill:death ratios. Then somebody mentioned that the majority of the "players" were bots. And they were. So that popped my bubble.
._.
Post by: Eduren on April 05, 2010, 09:49:39 pm
Respectless rubber glove
Never idled a day in my life.
Post by: Someguyo on April 06, 2010, 05:40:57 am
Officer's Ushanka
Batter's Helmet
Baseball Bill's Sports Shine(Crafted from Mining Light/Batter's Helmet)
Pyro's Beanie(Crafted from Baseball Bill's Sports Shine/Officer's Ushanka(I don't play heavy much, even if it is my favorite heavy hat.))
Towering Pillar of Hats
Vintage Tyrolean(Crafted from Pyro's Beanie/Towering Pillar of Hats.)
Scotsman's Stove Pipe
Texas Ten Gallon(Crafted from Scotsman's Stove Pipe/Vintage Tyrolean. Also don't play medic much even if it is my favorite medic hat.)
Soldier's Stash(Crafted from 4 refined metals and a token. FINALLY)
Stainless Pot(Random drop about 2 weeks after getting the Soldier's Stash. :-\)
All I wanted was a soldier hat, since it's my favorite class. In the end I have Soldier's Stash, Texas Ten Gallon, and the Pot. But I'm still happy since I got my favorite soldier hat.
Post by: Jreengus on April 06, 2010, 05:50:52 am
Scout: Baseball Bills Sports Shine
Soldier: Modest Pile of Hat
Pyro: Respectless Rubber Glove, Beanie in the backpack
Demo: Ghastly Gibus
Heavy: Football Helmet
Engineer: Modest Pile of Hat
Medic: Otolaryngologist's Mirror.
Sniper: Professional's Panama
Spy: Modest Pile of Hat, Camera Beard.
The only weapon I need is the pain train.
Post by: Giant Snowman on April 06, 2010, 06:35:00 am
This is probably old, but a rather nice little video. If it isn't old, then screw dates and times and checking information. What am I, writing a college essay?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjGrHBpfqCo&feature=player_embedded
You know, that trailer actually makes a lot more sense with the team fortress characters in it.
Post by: Zai on April 06, 2010, 05:47:36 pm
Crafted from Pyro's Beanie/Towering Pillar of Hats.Why would you do that?!
Post by: Dr. Johbson on April 06, 2010, 09:38:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 08, 2010, 03:26:41 pm
Post by: LASD on April 08, 2010, 04:42:44 pm
I'd be happy to be the Medic (big surprise). Even if it is possibly the nastiest class to be in competitive play.
Oh yeah, did I mention you get a shiny in-game medal for just participating in the tournament?
Post by: Myroc on April 08, 2010, 04:49:23 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 08, 2010, 04:51:05 pm
Dibs on pyro.If anyone would be a pyro, it'd be me. Still, you'll have to convince me to participate in this first.
Oh yeah.. I'm also in America...
Post by: Jreengus on April 08, 2010, 05:01:59 pm
Edited to add that I'm in England so there shouldn't be any problems on my end.
Post by: dragnar on April 08, 2010, 05:21:39 pm
Oh yeah.. I'm also in America...Unless this is a problem...
Post by: umiman on April 08, 2010, 05:28:12 pm
Post by: Bandages on April 08, 2010, 06:07:24 pm
Post by: Zai on April 08, 2010, 06:36:29 pm
Post by: The Doctor on April 08, 2010, 06:48:26 pm
Canadian here. :D
Post by: Mr.Person on April 08, 2010, 09:41:27 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on April 08, 2010, 09:53:08 pm
Solider(Pretty good),
Pyro(Decnt),
Medic(Decent),
Engineer(Sometimes decent, sometimes pretty good),
Scout(Sometimes pretty good, otherwise, lame),
Heavy (lame) ,
Demoman(lame),
Sniper(lame)
Spy(Unplayable without my dead ringer, which I crafted to make a FaN. :'( I'm a decent spy with one however. But I don't have one.).
Post by: fenrif on April 08, 2010, 10:06:26 pm
Also: I'm in the UK if that has any bearing on anything.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 08, 2010, 10:10:24 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on April 08, 2010, 10:24:14 pm
Basically I'd play anything but sniper, demoman or soldier.
Post by: LASD on April 09, 2010, 03:32:36 am
Scout: LASD
Soldier: [Mr.Person], [Dr, Johbson]
Pyro: Myroc, [SHADOWDUMP], [umiman], [Dr. Johbson]
Demo: [Bandages]
Heavy: [DoctorZ], fenrif
Engineer: Jreengus, [Dr. Johbson]
Medic: LASD, [umiman], [Dr. Johbson], fenrif
Sniper: [Bandages]
Spy: [dragnar], [Mr.Person], [Cheeetar]
Not participating: [Zai]
Also, from the FAQ:
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Are non-European teams welcome?So, it's all fine, except scheduling will be tricky.
Yes, as long as you are fine with playing on European servers and in European timezones.
Next important thing:
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How many people can be in one team?So there's nice leeway as only 9 people are included in a round and the classes can be juggled between players too. Another team might be possible but it might get a bit iffy to find 28 Dwarf Fortress people wanting to participate in a competitive tournament.
14 people can be registered to each team. Make another team if you have more players (eg Community Team A, Community Team B, etc.) You cannot play in more than one team.
Currently we have 12 people expressing interest, 3 of whom are a bit doubtful about joining (SHADOWdump, Mr. Person and Dr. Johbson), but I know a few people that haven't spoken up or noticed this who are likely interested. Let's keep listing and see what we can come up with, and if people will have the honor of joining the DFC or Bay12games B-team too.
Then the most important thing! (Not really):
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Can you tell me more about the in-game medal?So, the tournament has to be finished to get the shiny, awe-inspiring, tiny medal.
The in-game medal will be like a hat. Everyone can see it.
You will win a medal when you A) Win the tournament (winners medal), B) Finish 2nd in the tournament (runner up medal) or C) Are eliminated from the tournament (participation medal). You do not get a medal for just signing up.
Post by: Jreengus on April 09, 2010, 04:07:13 am
Anyhow my free time* is as follows:
Monday: Free free from about 2 onwards but I'd prefer not to do anything until 5 onwards.
Tuesday Pretty fully booked, although I could make time from 7 onward I'd prefer not to.
Wednesday: Free all day!
Thursday: Free from 7 onward.
Friday: Free from 5 onward.
Saturday & Sunday: Free whenever.
*GMT+1/BST
Post by: Cheeetar on April 09, 2010, 04:16:49 am
Post by: Myroc on April 09, 2010, 05:27:23 am
Post by: Siquo on April 09, 2010, 06:01:16 am
Too bad, because it sounds like fun!
Post by: fenrif on April 09, 2010, 07:09:44 am
Post by: Jreengus on April 09, 2010, 09:29:07 am
I'll be free anytime after 3 i think for the next two weeks, then after that anytime at all.Time zone?
I'm pretty much free whenever so long as it is after 5 PM or so (European time). Also, yes, I'm in Europe.Central (+2) eastern (+3) or western (+1)?
Post by: fenrif on April 09, 2010, 10:09:11 am
Post by: dragnar on April 09, 2010, 10:15:18 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 09, 2010, 10:25:35 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 09, 2010, 10:41:24 am
Post by: Bandages on April 09, 2010, 12:41:00 pm
Post by: The Doctor on April 09, 2010, 03:03:57 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on April 09, 2010, 03:23:53 pm
Post by: Duuvian on April 09, 2010, 03:24:45 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on April 09, 2010, 03:35:19 pm
I just bought TF2 for 10$ at Best Buy. I haven't installed it yet. Any recommendations for a first time player or is there a wiki or something? I've already read up on the various classes on some website a few months ago, and watched some of the meet the team videos at the same time (which were awesome, my favorite is the Heavies or the Scout's)
Start by playing as Heavy, Soldier, or Medic. They're good classes for beginners. Eventually, try all the classes. Even if you find one you like, play them all for awhile. I'm not a good Pyro, but I love playing as one.
Post by: Bandages on April 09, 2010, 03:49:25 pm
Start by playing as Heavy, Soldier, or Medic. They're good classes for beginners. Eventually, try all the classes. Even if you find one you like, play them all for awhile. I'm not a good Pyro, but I love playing as one.
You know, I've never been able to get behind the soldier. All the other classes I have some general skill in, and I excell at a few, but I just CAN'T play a soldier for the life of me.
Post by: The Doctor on April 09, 2010, 03:50:15 pm
Post by: Bandages on April 09, 2010, 03:51:08 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 09, 2010, 03:57:13 pm
I can rocket jump and juggle people no problem, just gotta learn to aim at people in the air better.
I use my shotgun a lot as well, which you should. I'm in North America though so no dice.
Post by: Jreengus on April 09, 2010, 04:06:27 pm
Alternatively I could just buy a new one but that seems like too much effort.
Anyhow in all seriousness I will have a mic and we should probably make a new thread for tournament planning and stuff
Post by: dragnar on April 09, 2010, 04:17:05 pm
Same here, I just can't get the aim right on the rocket launcher, and I just blow myself up rocket-jumping. Probably because I stink at FPSs: the spy does not play like an FPS. 8)
Start by playing as Heavy, Soldier, or Medic. They're good classes for beginners. Eventually, try all the classes. Even if you find one you like, play them all for awhile. I'm not a good Pyro, but I love playing as one.
You know, I've never been able to get behind the soldier. All the other classes I have some general skill in, and I excell at a few, but I just CAN'T play a soldier for the life of me.
The easiest class for beginners is probably the pyro. You're practically guaranteed a kill or two per life, though they are still much more effective when skilled. And I will backstab you whenever possible...
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 09, 2010, 04:24:43 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on April 10, 2010, 01:18:00 am
Post by: Mr.Person on April 10, 2010, 01:44:47 am
You know, I've never played Highlander before. Is it basically just Arena mode but with one of every class, or something?
Highlander just restricts it so your team can only consist of exactly one of each class.
Post by: umiman on April 10, 2010, 02:00:32 am
Nah, easiest is probably heavy. Pyro can be kinda hard.Same here, I just can't get the aim right on the rocket launcher, and I just blow myself up rocket-jumping. Probably because I stink at FPSs: the spy does not play like an FPS. 8)
Start by playing as Heavy, Soldier, or Medic. They're good classes for beginners. Eventually, try all the classes. Even if you find one you like, play them all for awhile. I'm not a good Pyro, but I love playing as one.
You know, I've never been able to get behind the soldier. All the other classes I have some general skill in, and I excell at a few, but I just CAN'T play a soldier for the life of me.
The easiest class for beginners is probably the pyro. You're practically guaranteed a kill or two per life, though they are still much more effective when skilled. And I will backstab you whenever possible...
Post by: LASD on April 10, 2010, 03:33:17 am
I agree a separate thread might be good for this tournament, but should it be in "Play with your buddies"? Anyway, I'll get on that when I finally get home.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 10, 2010, 04:01:48 am
This I shall disagree with. While a pyro needs to jump into the fray and get too close for their skills to handle, the Heavy is basically a walking magnet for backstabs and headshots. Ultimately you'll attract more attention and fire as a Heavy.Nah, easiest is probably heavy. Pyro can be kinda hard.Same here, I just can't get the aim right on the rocket launcher, and I just blow myself up rocket-jumping. Probably because I stink at FPSs: the spy does not play like an FPS. 8)
Start by playing as Heavy, Soldier, or Medic. They're good classes for beginners. Eventually, try all the classes. Even if you find one you like, play them all for awhile. I'm not a good Pyro, but I love playing as one.
You know, I've never been able to get behind the soldier. All the other classes I have some general skill in, and I excell at a few, but I just CAN'T play a soldier for the life of me.
The easiest class for beginners is probably the pyro. You're practically guaranteed a kill or two per life, though they are still much more effective when skilled. And I will backstab you whenever possible...
Post by: Jreengus on April 10, 2010, 05:07:50 am
Post by: Jakkarra on April 10, 2010, 06:27:22 am
The heavy is actually a class that takes a good bit of skill, for example, i can usually time it so i duck just before those bastard snipers fire, to avoid their tiny, baby-guns.
Pyro, contrary to popular belief, also takes a good bit of skill to play effectively, sure you can rack up points just W+M1ing, but you want to be using your other weapons as well, if you get good with it, you can often cause more kills with the airblast than the flames.
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 10, 2010, 06:48:50 am
Post by: Jakkarra on April 10, 2010, 06:54:03 am
Never turn around either, you might get shot by another sniper.
Post by: Jreengus on April 10, 2010, 07:45:02 am
Post by: Jakkarra on April 10, 2010, 07:47:49 am
What makes everyone think i'm being serious at ALL TIMES! Does that ignorant view really sound like something i'd seriously post?
What class do i bloody play the most? SPY!
Post by: Jreengus on April 10, 2010, 07:51:28 am
Post by: Cheeetar on April 10, 2010, 08:01:21 am
Post by: Jakkarra on April 10, 2010, 08:08:01 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 10, 2010, 08:09:33 am
So why are you advocating taking a razor back? Surely you're best off if they take an smg, no nasty jarate to reveal you and nothing to stop a nice clean backstab.Despite how people say the SMG is one of the worst weapons in TF2, I find it to be kinda useful. No other sniper weapons are useful in close combat, and the knife is kind of a hit or miss weapon due to melee weapon rage hitbox issues.
Because fuck facestabs. Valve should know their melee weapons are broken when that crap is pulled off.
Post by: Jakkarra on April 10, 2010, 09:01:53 am
Post by: Nilocy on April 10, 2010, 11:49:07 am
Heavy is quite hard, requires a lot of know how when to spin the gun... and shouting for medic... ermm....
Anyway, I've been neglecting the TF2 server for some time. But we'll be needing donations soon... $160 by June, so 2 months awaaaay.
Also, that TF2 lobby thing is interesting, will look into it moar.
Post by: fenrif on April 10, 2010, 11:56:16 am
Means you can get your dinner while still playing :P
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 10, 2010, 11:56:50 am
Pyro is the easiest class, remember the whole "You can play without a keyboard" thing?The thing where you bind w to your LMB and RMB? Thus LMB to move forward and attack while RMB to just move forward? I actually tried that last week.
I generally got a kill every life.
Goddam.
Post by: umiman on April 10, 2010, 02:32:26 pm
To be fair, you could probably do that with every single class that can work with only one button and still end up with the same results.Pyro is the easiest class, remember the whole "You can play without a keyboard" thing?The thing where you bind w to your LMB and RMB? Thus LMB to move forward and attack while RMB to just move forward? I actually tried that last week.
I generally got a kill every life.
Goddam.
You know... scout. Heavy, medic, soldier.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 10, 2010, 02:46:47 pm
Post by: umiman on April 10, 2010, 02:47:56 pm
Maybe a scout or heavy, maybe for those two.You're telling me you cannot get at least one kill per life as a soldier by just spamming the firing button and running around?
Post by: ToonyMan on April 10, 2010, 02:50:20 pm
Maybe a scout or heavy, maybe for those two.You're telling me you cannot get at least one kill per life as a soldier by just spamming the firing button and running around?
End up dying.
Post by: umiman on April 10, 2010, 02:54:59 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 10, 2010, 02:57:01 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 10, 2010, 03:07:15 pm
I'd rather play strategically.Like when you'd go berzerk with the shovel.
Post by: Jakkarra on April 10, 2010, 03:09:47 pm
Post by: Siquo on April 10, 2010, 04:28:25 pm
Post by: Myroc on April 10, 2010, 05:27:57 pm
Ragefapping.
Post by: Jakkarra on April 10, 2010, 10:30:06 pm
специальная Поставка!
Post by: Zai on April 10, 2010, 10:31:59 pm
Я помещу эту фразу в крошечную телегу!Special delivery? Who is it for?
специальная Поставка!
Post by: Jakkarra on April 10, 2010, 10:35:50 pm
Post by: Zai on April 11, 2010, 01:05:22 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on April 11, 2010, 01:15:19 pm
Post by: fenrif on April 13, 2010, 10:02:03 am
A choose-your-own TF2 adventure starring heavy at 2fort. Tis fun.
Post by: LASD on April 14, 2010, 01:40:16 pm
In less fun news, I'm starting to feel quite burned out on playing TF2, so I don't really have the motivation to organize the team for the ETF2L Tournament. If there's someone who'd like to get on that, awesome! I promise to help in advertising on this thread and the Steam Group, but in figuring out the roster and schedules not so much.
Oh yeah, there's a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CM0kpF0F6c) of Jakkarra's map in it's current state and I dare say it looks really promising.
EDIT: Jreengus took up the tournament thing (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=54362.0). Go Jreengus!
Post by: ToonyMan on April 15, 2010, 04:50:17 pm
http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3698&p=1
Post by: Dr. Johbson on April 15, 2010, 05:01:12 pm
Post by: Jreengus on April 15, 2010, 05:08:22 pm
Also no interest in the tournament?
Post by: Dr. Johbson on April 15, 2010, 05:11:20 pm
Post by: LASD on April 15, 2010, 05:18:29 pm
Sam and Max update.Blargh, I already pre-ordered, from Telltale. :'(
http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3698&p=1
Otherwise, really cool.
EDIT: Telltale offers the opportunity to change to Steam pre-order, but that would make me lose the free shipping I got from them. Oh cruel world!
Post by: ToonyMan on April 15, 2010, 05:45:58 pm
Post by: Thexor on April 15, 2010, 06:17:19 pm
Sam and Max update.Blargh, I already pre-ordered, from Telltale. :'(
http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3698&p=1
Otherwise, really cool.
EDIT: Telltale offers the opportunity to change to Steam pre-order, but that would make me lose the free shipping I got from them. Oh cruel world!
Before anyone starts switching from Telltale, the official word (from what little I've seen) is that they're looking for a way to give the items to Telltale purchasers, too. No promises, but the Steam promotion is valid all week, so give them a few days to come up with a final official statement. ;)
Personally, I was going to wait for this season to go on sale before buying... but how can I resist free TF2 stuff? Especially neat-looking guns, since I love playing Spy and hate the Ambassador. ;)
Post by: Jakkarra on April 15, 2010, 06:18:25 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 15, 2010, 06:41:07 pm
The new weapons look pretty bad, to be honest.
Haters goin hate.
Post by: PTTG?? on April 15, 2010, 10:43:53 pm
Post by: debvon on April 15, 2010, 11:52:13 pm
"Holy SHIT guys, now I can wear a pac-man hat while exploding men into bloody chunks! This is like a 42342398 on the DF richter scale!!"
???
Post by: LASD on April 16, 2010, 02:25:57 am
They talked to Valve, made a deal and the people that pre-ordered from them (and possibly those that buy the game even now) get the items after all!
Telltale and Valve are clearly my favourite developers (Bay12 is beyond favourites), they actually know their customers are people and not just walking wallets.
Post by: Mr.Person on April 16, 2010, 03:18:53 am
Yay! Telltale is the best!
They talked to Valve, made a deal and the people that pre-ordered from them (and possibly those that buy the game even now) get the items after all!
Telltale and Valve are clearly my favourite developers (Bay12 is beyond favourites), they actually know their costumers are people and not just walking wallets.
Speak for yourself. I am in fact a talking wallet.
Post by: Myroc on April 16, 2010, 06:33:00 am
Post by: Jreengus on April 16, 2010, 06:47:11 am
Post by: Metalax on April 16, 2010, 08:00:26 am
Yay! Telltale is the best!
They talked to Valve, made a deal and the people that pre-ordered from them (and possibly those that buy the game even now) get the items after all!
Telltale and Valve are clearly my favourite developers (Bay12 is beyond favourites), they actually know their costumers are people and not just walking wallets.
Speak for yourself. I am in fact a talking wallet.
Heh, sigged.
Post by: Thexor on April 16, 2010, 09:49:46 am
Just reskins.
That said, they're freakin' awesome reskins, so that certainly counts for something. ;D
Post by: PTTG?? on April 16, 2010, 09:55:07 am
Post by: Apple Master on April 16, 2010, 04:37:00 pm
Yay! Telltale is the best!
They talked to Valve, made a deal and the people that pre-ordered from them (and possibly those that buy the game even now) get the items after all!
Telltale and Valve are clearly my favourite developers (Bay12 is beyond favourites), they actually know their costumers are people and not just walking wallets.
Speak for yourself. I am in fact a talking wallet.
That's not what your name says
Post by: Nilocy on April 16, 2010, 05:24:01 pm
Sunday at 8PMGMT. BE THERE OR BE A CHAINSAW.
Post by: dragnar on April 16, 2010, 05:42:31 pm
Post by: zchris13 on April 16, 2010, 05:55:36 pm
Post by: Eduren on April 16, 2010, 05:57:13 pm
But you don't want to BE a chainsaw, now do you?I don't know, nobody fucks with a chainsaw.
Post by: Zai on April 16, 2010, 06:38:31 pm
I think we should start to reorganise games on the TF2 serverThat's what I've been doing for the past few weeks. Except I've just been adding the events an hour or so before I set the event to start. Which is probably not the best practice, but it's better than not having it at all.
Post by: Thexor on April 16, 2010, 06:48:11 pm
I think we should start to reorganise games on the TF2 serverThat's what I've been doing for the past few weeks. Except I've just been adding the events an hour or so before I set the event to start. Which is probably not the best practice, but it's better than not having it at all.
Yeah, with all due respect, a little more heads-up would be deeply appreciated. ;)
Post by: Mr.Person on April 16, 2010, 11:07:12 pm
But you don't want to BE a chainsaw, now do you?
I dunno, somebody's gotta kill the zombies outside.
Post by: dragnar on April 16, 2010, 11:14:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 16, 2010, 11:22:26 pm
Seriously.
Post by: Thexor on April 17, 2010, 01:53:43 am
TF2 needs Serious Sam somethings. Anything that involves Serious Sam.
Seriously.
You've got a minigun, a grenade launcher, and a multi-shot rocket launcher. Short of giving the Engineer a Cannon, I don't see how many more Serious Sam weapons we can fit in!
...oh god, a cannon would be the best Engineer unlock. I'd happily trade my sentry for a one-shot cannonball. "You're going to need much bigger g... OSHI-"
Post by: Sowelu on April 17, 2010, 02:14:04 am
Wait.. what? You can't be serious? They're just models. I don't quite understand the new-hat-hype. Weapons I get, but hats don't add any new gameplay at all. In fact they just sort of make me hate you more when you dominate me.
"Holy SHIT guys, now I can wear a pac-man hat while exploding men into bloody chunks! This is like a 42342398 on the DF richter scale!!"
???
Dude. The hat alone makes me want this. I mean I've always liked the games and the genre but that hat is AWESOME.
Post by: Siquo on April 18, 2010, 01:03:55 pm
I think we should start to reorganise games on the TF2 serverSo... that's two hours from now (official GMT has no daylight savings time), right?
Sunday at 8PMGMT. BE THERE OR BE A CHAINSAW.
Post by: Greiger on April 18, 2010, 01:10:04 pm
Post by: Siquo on April 18, 2010, 01:22:54 pm
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/current-time.htm
Post by: Greiger on April 18, 2010, 01:29:11 pm
Post by: Siquo on April 18, 2010, 01:35:34 pm
An hour and a half then. Windows lied to me!... Let's all pretend you didn't just find that out. ::)
Post by: Greiger on April 18, 2010, 03:15:00 pm
Post by: Siquo on April 18, 2010, 03:18:10 pm
Post by: Zai on April 18, 2010, 06:10:23 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on April 19, 2010, 11:42:27 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 20, 2010, 07:21:10 pm
Post by: Sensei on April 20, 2010, 07:24:46 pm
Also, I dislike the new smilies. :'(
Post by: Eduren on April 20, 2010, 07:35:17 pm
VALVE IS CREDIT TO TEAM!
Post by: Walliard on April 20, 2010, 08:04:32 pm
(assuming default keybindings/loadout)
Post by: Sensei on April 20, 2010, 11:30:37 pm
This works though and still utterly discourages idling.
Post by: Mr.Person on April 21, 2010, 12:07:41 am
Post by: Soulwynd on April 21, 2010, 12:41:45 am
Post by: LASD on April 21, 2010, 02:08:15 am
And I think Valve doesn't need to apologize to idlers, idling was just an attempted fix to this system not being fun and fair, which it is more so now.
Post by: Jreengus on April 21, 2010, 05:26:33 am
Post by: mattie2009 on April 21, 2010, 01:54:15 pm
No, I don't know how either.
Post by: Jreengus on April 21, 2010, 02:31:34 pm
2. Wield Sandwich.
3. Open developer console.
4. Type +attack.
5. ???
6. Profit.
+attack makes you repeatedly attack and you lose life slower than the sandwich heals you, all your accrued drops are saved up until the next time you die when you get a massive overload of weapons depending on how long you idled for.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 21, 2010, 03:21:14 pm
Post by: Volatar on April 21, 2010, 03:41:31 pm
You can start tf2 in textonly mode to do that, btw.
o.O! For curiosity's sake, how the heck do you do that?
Post by: The Doctor on April 21, 2010, 05:30:00 pm
It doesn't depend on skill or anything, but you're more likely to get a hat or weapon for a class you want it for.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 21, 2010, 06:44:11 pm
If I were them I'd have changed the drops to slightly favor the class you play with more.They're working on how you can control your item drops. At least they said so a few times.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on April 24, 2010, 06:32:39 am
This is golden. GOLDEN.
Post by: Heavy Flak on April 24, 2010, 10:47:57 am
I remember one guy idled for so long, when he finally kicked the bucket he pretty much overloaded the chat.
No, I don't know how either.
I used to idle, there was a program that ran it in a text interface and logged you onto some idle servers. I logged in over 300 hours idling, won a bunch of items and hats. Then Valve saw I was cheating, took all my shit away, and didn't give me a halo :(
Now I feel like a loser because there is, yet again, another hat I don't have.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 24, 2010, 11:09:04 am
Post by: Ampersand on April 24, 2010, 12:19:05 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on April 24, 2010, 12:20:04 pm
Post by: Jreengus on April 24, 2010, 02:58:55 pm
*I no longer had to load up TF2 each time I wanted to play, it was right there and ready for me minimised.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 24, 2010, 03:01:24 pm
Straightly, no.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on April 24, 2010, 03:02:11 pm
Post by: umiman on April 24, 2010, 03:28:23 pm
Post by: Heavy Flak on April 24, 2010, 03:43:40 pm
And really, I didn't care about weapons - I had already earned them the legit way, so I was just deleting repeats which has come back to bite me, thanks to crafting.
Post by: umiman on April 24, 2010, 03:46:15 pm
The only hat I want out of all of them, is the Heavy's ushenka. And not only did I not get it, but all the hats I got were wiped out.What happened to the hats?
Post by: Soulwynd on April 24, 2010, 04:32:54 pm
Post by: Jreengus on April 24, 2010, 04:38:42 pm
Post by: Greiger on April 24, 2010, 04:39:21 pm
Of course I don't keep up as well as I should, so I could be wrong. Last I heard Valve didn't like regular idling, but weren't going to punish folks for it.
Ninjad...by an ninja olmman. Shameful.
Post by: dragnar on April 24, 2010, 04:48:03 pm
A certain program which would open TF2 and run it in the background with you connected to a special server became massively popular. Almost all idling was happening on it but after a while valve decided it was cheating. They removed all the hats/items anyone had earned with it and gave those who hadn't used it the halo. (Which is still in my opinion the ugliest hat available.)The biggest problem with the halo is that for a while it didn't become invisible along with the spy. Made it impossible for spys to use it. I'm not actually sure if that was ever fixed, because I still see halos floating around without a player sometimes.
Post by: Zai on April 24, 2010, 07:33:02 pm
the halo. (Which is still in my opinion the ugliest hat available.)I agree. I just wear Bill's Hat on most characters.
Post by: Jakkarra on April 24, 2010, 07:43:53 pm
Oh yes.
Post by: Zai on April 24, 2010, 08:27:28 pm
I totally just crafted the Killer's Kabuto.Lucky dastard.
Oh yes.
Post by: Myroc on April 25, 2010, 05:26:09 am
Fuck. Yes.
Post by: Jakkarra on April 25, 2010, 05:47:36 am
Post by: Myroc on April 25, 2010, 05:59:22 am
My Modest pile of hat is better than your modest pile of hat. Somehow.Be quiet and let me bask in false glory.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on April 25, 2010, 06:01:18 am
Post by: Thedorfwhostoleyourcoffee on April 25, 2010, 10:30:29 am
Post by: ILikePie on April 26, 2010, 11:52:45 am
Is there a way to fix this?
Post by: Soulwynd on April 26, 2010, 11:55:39 am
Post by: ILikePie on April 26, 2010, 12:38:39 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on April 26, 2010, 12:46:32 pm
Another thing you can try is go to settings/downloads, change your download region to anything else, quick steam, restart, change it to the place you want, quit steam, restart.
That fixes a few network related things.
Post by: Sowelu on April 26, 2010, 12:50:45 pm
I don't know if it's a driver error or a memory failing thing.
Post by: PTTG?? on April 26, 2010, 02:29:27 pm
Post by: Volatar on April 26, 2010, 02:47:01 pm
My TF2 has started crashing with a "Memory could not be read" error. :(
I don't know if it's a driver error or a memory failing thing.
If you have any custom maps downloaded, backup your custom maps folder. If you have any other modifications to TF2, back those up. Then delete and redownload TF2 (if you have the Orange Box hard copy handy, installing from the DVD will speed up that redownload). This may or may not help, but its worth a try.
Post by: Zai on April 26, 2010, 05:18:34 pm
...Try just restarting your comp before you go through that. Usually fixes it for me.My TF2 has started crashing with a "Memory could not be read" error. :(
I don't know if it's a driver error or a memory failing thing.
If you have any custom maps downloaded, backup your custom maps folder. If you have any other modifications to TF2, back those up. Then delete and redownload TF2 (if you have the Orange Box hard copy handy, installing from the DVD will speed up that redownload). This may or may not help, but its worth a try.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 26, 2010, 05:24:47 pm
Too bad I completely suck as a medic.
You heard it here folks. Someone sucks as a medic.
Post by: ILikePie on April 26, 2010, 11:49:29 pm
Post by: Eduren on April 26, 2010, 11:56:07 pm
Although I seem to have played Sniper more than Heavy. Odd.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 27, 2010, 12:03:24 am
Post by: debvon on April 27, 2010, 01:00:36 am
You heard it here folks. Someone sucks as a medic.
Actually there are only a hand full of GOOD medics. Okay I'm exaggerating, but there is a lot more to being a good medic than some would think. It's a fun class to play if you get a sense of all that you need to do and actually attempt to do it. Kind of a frantic and urgent existence, that of a medic.
1. Keep everyone around you buffed when they're not taking damage. Requires looking backwards often.
2. Watch for spies, pyros, and pretty much everything. Announce them to your team.
3. In battle make sure you're not in enemy fire, aren't being flanked by a scout, and you aren't neglecting hurt allies.
4. Heal people accordingly. Don't spend 3 seconds casually healing a sniper near a small health pack when there's a blood-drenched demoman screaming for Odin to send him to Valhalla when he falls while desperately flinging grenades everywhere (i.e. calling for a medic at critical health). Priority usually goes like this:
Top: Critically injured players that can otherwise survive if you intervene. Saving a single life often means saving MANY lives.
Top: Heavies who are suppressing the enemy for time/distraction. People will shoot at them for the hell of it. The longer they can stand there shooting, the longer the distraction. Make sure your fat buddy doesn't take TOO long to relocate or he'll have a giant hole/arrow/knife in his head.
Top: Other medics. This is important, medics who don't heal/keep each other buffed in combat are practically cutting their usefulness in half.
High: Engineers. If they die, their buildings will usually follow suit. Sometimes I even take it as far as ubering them while they tank so that the sentry lives. This is not a wasted uber by any means, if the engineer lives then the sentry will probably live as well, and the rest of your team will come riding in at any second (hopefully). If the sentry dies, too bad so sad, at least the engineer is still alive! He can set another one up quickly.
Middle: Injured players who are not taking constant fire. Get them back in the game, but only if you can spare the time!
Middle: Unbuffed players. Keep an eye out for passer byers who need a quick buff as they run through, it could save them from an ambush. Always try to keep people who are fighting around you buffed. Remember, you heal and buff MUCH faster when a player has not recently taken damage. Pay attention to who just got hit by the rocket and who didn't, you can fill somebody up within seconds and get back to that crazy soldier before he blows himself up if you heal in the correct order.
Middle: Spies, scouts, snipers. These three often resort to health packs due to being more.. behind the scenes/mobile. But if they're near you, do them a favor and save them the trouble. They're usually easy to heal. That early headshot, flank, or stab thanks to your help could save your team.
Low: Players (esp heavies) who make no effort to retreat from overwhelming situations. They're going to die regardless of what you do, if there are not many people around then you can probably spend time building an uber on them.. but don't take that job too seriously. These kind of decisions often determine your own fate. If you get too focused on keeping them alive then you're likely to follow them into death.
Low: Doomed players. Similar to the above, however this category can cover almost anyone. If you're healing a good soldier who's blasting away at hordes of enemies alone, and suddenly he gets head shot for half his health, AND he runs out of rockets, all while three mad pyros are rushing forward, you need to get your ass to safety. That uber is your baby. It cannot die, teammates will understand. I know, I know, sometimes it's difficult to break off that healing beam and retreat from the action, but it's a good skill to master.
4. Stay ALIVE. Monitor your vital signs. Always always always! I already ranted about this but.. it's just that important. Constantly glance at your health. Is it midway down? That means you need to get a health pack or a dispenser. Is it red? You need to run for dear life or pop your uber, chances are you're going to explode from a stray grenade if you chance it. Is it sort of low but not terribly low? Grab that nearby medpack as you run by just to stay healthy.
The healthier you are, the healthier your team is. Use the regular needle gun when you're, say, on a payload map defending the very last point. Use the Blutsauger when you're on offense and you're trying to cap the second point. The regular needle gun will let you shrug off minor injuries more quickly, and the Blutsauger will let you escape desperate situations with more ease. A pyro chasing you is DOOMED if you run backwards while firing this thing. If he's too close and he's actually burning your face off faster than you can poke HIS off, strafe around while firing needles accordingly. Hopefully you know how to aim correctly and you survive.
5. When alone be extra observant. Especially if you have a semi or fully built uber. Do not leave anything to chance, ever, unless that's what the situation calls for.
6. Uber often in pubs and only when needed with team players. In large pubs the game is basically like two large walruses head butting eachother until one of them passes out and dies. In team play games it's all about knowing when to push and when not to push, executing carefully planned attacks, and using teamwork to help each other survive.
Okay I'm done. Maybe.
Post by: umiman on April 27, 2010, 01:30:17 am
Post by: Eduren on April 27, 2010, 02:59:38 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on April 27, 2010, 03:54:26 am
Secondly (and most importantly), learn how to move like a medic. Retreating is important, yes, but you'll be able to stay up near the front line a lot longer if you know how to move properly.
This is more than just strafing; hug the walls to stay out of sight for longer, if you're in an open field (a bad idea at the best of times) keep an eye out for snipers and crouch erratically. A fully charged bodyshot will still end you, but snipers often try to make headshots when they don't need to, and I can't count the number of times I've been able to rush down snipers because they don't realise this.
On top of this, never, ever stop moving. Even when you think you're safe, there is always the chance of a stray spy or unseen sniper. This extends to when you're using an uber as well. If you sit still and let them draw a bead on you while ubered, they'll pop you the second it runs out. Don't give them that chance.
If you do get chased by a fast offensive class (that is, a scout or a pyro), get between them and the health pack. It's not so much that you're keeping them from the health (though that can be a part of it), but rather that they will chase you towards the health. If your aim is good and you have a blutsauger, you will stand a better than even odd of driving them off or even killing them if you get to a health pack. To be fair though, that is a general rule of this game.
Finally, learn the basic cover-fire/sniper-points, and make sure to keep that nice fat heavy or cart between you and that point. Often they'll still be able to see you, but every now and then, it'll save your life.
Post by: Mr.Person on April 27, 2010, 06:08:44 am
I stopped using the Direct Hit pretty much because I couldn't hit Scouts with the stupid thing, so there's that. I've just gotta actually focus on killing the little bastards. I hate hitting them, though. A good Scout is next to impossible to hit with a rocket, mostly because they're in the air so much.
I've been getting much better at scout. Specifically one using the FaN, I've found I simply can't go without the aerial tricks you can pull off with one.
Same, I tried using the FaN again after almost a year of disliking both the gun itself and Scouts in general. I found it to be incredibly fun. That was probably because the other team was just awful, though.
Post by: Myroc on April 27, 2010, 06:11:15 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 27, 2010, 07:58:13 am
The instant you come out of invulnerability you can also fire off a meat shot, just hold down the trigger. If you use the FaN though it will consume both shots, so it's really not worth it.
Also, to all FaN whiners, practical isn't always fun, I'll go for what I find most enjoyable even if it's detrimental to the team, and if you have a problem, then go sit in a corner tight-ass.
Post by: Jakkarra on April 27, 2010, 08:09:16 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 27, 2010, 08:41:58 am
The fan is a bad weapon and you should feel bad.I damn your spy ass to death by a thousand pyros.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 27, 2010, 09:00:41 am
Considering I'm going for Pyromancer, this can be arranged. Of course, this would require me playing on the crappy DFC server.The fan is a bad weapon and you should feel bad.I damn your spy ass to death by a thousand pyros.
Because the flamethrower and melee hit detections are bullshit enough without latency.
Post by: dragnar on April 27, 2010, 09:15:29 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 27, 2010, 09:18:28 am
Post by: dragnar on April 27, 2010, 09:24:47 am
Post by: Jakkarra on April 27, 2010, 10:23:58 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 27, 2010, 04:32:02 pm
...I probably shouldn't dick around and be a battlemedic all the time either, even though I can kick ass sometimes
Post by: Zai on April 27, 2010, 05:04:53 pm
[EDIT:] And yeah. The DFC server has been crapping out a fuckton recently. Time to switch providers?
Post by: Duuvian on April 28, 2010, 08:11:43 am
Post by: Jakkarra on April 28, 2010, 12:21:50 pm
Post by: ILikePie on April 28, 2010, 03:07:21 pm
Post by: Metalax on April 28, 2010, 08:16:54 pm
Not sure I like the changes to some of the classes, particularly the nerf to the pyro's flamethrower.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on April 28, 2010, 08:24:31 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 28, 2010, 08:26:09 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 28, 2010, 08:28:30 pm
I suppose overall this is a Pyro class buff. I'll have to play to find out.
Also, fire arrows for all!
Post by: Soulwynd on April 28, 2010, 08:29:33 pm
Specially for the heavy and pyro's AB.
I need to test the new Bonk! refresh rate tho. I loved using that thing.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 28, 2010, 08:31:35 pm
Awesome.
Post by: dragnar on April 28, 2010, 08:44:19 pm
Seriously, I like most of the changes, especially the change to fire arrows.
Post by: Greiger on April 28, 2010, 09:06:14 pm
Post by: debvon on April 28, 2010, 09:14:58 pm
Post by: Zai on April 28, 2010, 09:18:39 pm
Quote from: Huntsman
Changed bow so you can start charging it while you're jumping, but you can't fire until you're on the ground.Dun like the "can't fire until on ground" part, but oh well. =/
Quote from: Sandman
Added a slight speed reduction to stunned players.THANK YOU.
Quote from: Pyro Airblast
Yea!
- Airblast re-fire delay reduced by 25%.
- Airblast ammo usage reduced by 20%.
- All reflected rockets/grenades/arrows now mini-crit.
- Airblasting enemies into environmental deaths now awards the death credit to the Pyro.
Post by: Sensei on April 28, 2010, 09:22:39 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 28, 2010, 09:31:37 pm
I see they're trying to encourage airblasting- don't think the normal flamethrower needed the nerfs though.I think it is to moreso make the backburner be less trashy.
Post by: Sensei on April 28, 2010, 09:47:31 pm
Post by: fenrif on April 28, 2010, 10:04:22 pm
Post by: returntonull on April 28, 2010, 11:09:13 pm
Pyro: Pyro, nerf and buff balance out for a skilled pyro, so not a big deal. Now even more useless in unskilled hands.
I'm also kinda annoyed how I'm hearing all sorts of different things on if it the nerf includes the backburner (latest news seems to indicate it does), and if the after burn damage is the same with less time. (Still no idea, know it's 3 damage a tick, and saw a 33 damage quote somewhere which would put it in the range.)
Post by: Thexor on April 29, 2010, 12:37:02 am
I see they're trying to encourage airblasting- don't think the normal flamethrower needed the nerfs though.I think it is to moreso make the backburner be less trashy.
Except the Backburner received the exact same nerf. And since the only buffs were to the airblast, and the Backburner can't airblast... yeah, this was a flat nerf to Backburner Pyros. :'(
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 29, 2010, 02:19:04 am
The reduced fire could be a attempt to make the homewrecker more viable against buildings. It's a stupid idea, but I really wouldn't put it past Valve.
Post by: Siquo on April 29, 2010, 02:27:39 am
The heavy buff was unneccessary, though...
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 29, 2010, 02:29:26 am
Post by: chaoticag on April 29, 2010, 02:47:26 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 29, 2010, 03:01:50 am
A flamethrower without its best feature and with a 5-degree-wide range in which it can do reasonable damage.
Ah, I see.
Post by: Myroc on April 29, 2010, 03:39:45 am
Also, fuckyesairblastbuff.
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 29, 2010, 03:48:15 am
Which all good pyros did anyway, so it hurts W+M1ers without hurting real pyros. Clever.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 29, 2010, 06:21:53 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 29, 2010, 06:59:46 am
Alright, are you guys familiar with the convoy map? It is basically two giant trucks hauling missiles through a canyon as a CTF map. Normally one could use up a good deal of thair ammo to attempt to airblast a person off the convoy for an easy kill. Now pyros are airblasting like crazy on it. It's great man. Although I never did check if those kills counted towards my points.
Then again, the fun of airblasting a dude off the convoy was never really for the points.
Post by: Siquo on April 29, 2010, 07:14:28 am
Problem is, a pyro with airblast is just about the most effective thing against ubers, I'd hate to lose that ability.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 29, 2010, 07:17:50 am
I liked the suggestion that the backburner grants the pyro the ability to see the silhouettes of enemies that are at medium range through walls(Medium range being the distance between the health cabinets and the spawn in 2fort). A pyro could then avoid enemies and plan ambushes. Call it Heat Vision, or Horror Movie Killer Sense or something.
Post by: Siquo on April 29, 2010, 08:54:28 am
Post by: Darkone on April 29, 2010, 10:00:58 am
Quote
# Airblasting enemies into environmental deaths now awards the death credit to the Pyro.Yeeesss.....
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 29, 2010, 10:17:33 am
The pyro is pretty fast and small.Reasonably so, but as for small... Well he's got the giant snout to give himself away. (flamethrower is looong)
Post by: Siquo on April 29, 2010, 10:18:13 am
Post by: Jakkarra on April 29, 2010, 10:44:25 am
Hammer got borked in the new update! I can't finish my map yet!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Post by: Sowelu on April 29, 2010, 04:35:59 pm
I would call it a buff, myself. 8)
It's a huge nerf to the backburner, but that was a little overpowered already honestly. I REALLY like the boost that this gives to the airblast; every single one of the airblast changes makes it massively more useful and fun to use.
The heavy changes are interesting. Makes him more useful in situations where he wouldn't have been, I think, and a little more competitive versus soldier. I like it.
Also, since when can you throw your sandvich?
Post by: Siquo on April 29, 2010, 05:05:47 pm
The heavy is.. overpowered now. I think I'm switching my favourite class.
You could always throw your sandwich (alt fire).
Post by: Zai on April 29, 2010, 05:08:51 pm
You could always throw your sandwich (alt fire).No. 'Twas a recent update.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on April 29, 2010, 05:30:37 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 29, 2010, 06:32:31 pm
It's a huge nerf to the backburner, but that was a little overpowered already honestly.I must take this chance to make a non-disrespectful SNERK.
The flamethrower has always been better than the backburner ever since the airblast update. The degree for crits is too small to rely upon, and airblast is just too useful a tool. Particularly since the pyro has always been somewhat underpowered. Burst damage is more discreet than burn damage(You can pull off all the damage at once, where being hit by the first part of the pyros damage will alert the victim and allow them to escape the rest of the damage), is more reliable to cause damage, for being the close quarters damage class the Pyro is outclassed by the Heavy and charge demo and there are a million and one ways to nullify the afterburn.
The pyro is underpowered. The problem arises when trying to fix the pyro. You can't just bump up the damage or health as that would encourage W+M1 play and do nothing for the skill ceiling, and most other suggestions don't seem to apply to the theme of the Pyro, which is a close quarters ambusher. There really is little that can be done apart from some nifty power that makes it easier to ambush while not making him a Spy.
Post by: Eduren on April 29, 2010, 06:43:24 pm
http://i.imgur.com/p3UvV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ewUk4.jpg
In console, type 'build 0 xx' where xx is a number (can't use same number twice). Replace 0 with 2 for sentries.
A lot of servers are starting to catch on, and its getting pretty hectic. Give it a try before the inevitable fix.
Post by: Sowelu on April 29, 2010, 08:33:24 pm
Post by: Zai on April 29, 2010, 09:36:46 pm
Few months isn't really recent.It is when you're me.
Post by: Metalax on April 29, 2010, 10:05:51 pm
Also the backburner has been restored from the damage reduction in the previous update so there is now a reason to take it, even if airblast is still more useful.
Post by: debvon on April 29, 2010, 10:49:29 pm
However I think they made a mistake somewhere in there because everyone seems to have the Weekend Warrior badge, even if they've had the game longer. Hopefully a fix will come out soon.
Post by: Sensei on April 29, 2010, 10:51:19 pm
Post by: Sowelu on April 29, 2010, 11:20:50 pm
...How do you see your badges? I'm pretty sure I should have a gold one.
Post by: Mr.Person on April 29, 2010, 11:23:02 pm
Okay guys, there is a new bug with the Update.
http://i.imgur.com/p3UvV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ewUk4.jpg
In console, type 'build 0 xx' where xx is a number (can't use same number twice). Replace 0 with 2 for sentries.
A lot of servers are starting to catch on, and its getting pretty hectic. Give it a try before the inevitable fix.
Apparently you can still do this. You have to do
"build 0 0"
"build 0 -1"
"build 0 -2"
ect
Post by: umiman on April 29, 2010, 11:23:47 pm
Natascha rules. Especially now with very mobile heavy.
Post by: Sowelu on April 29, 2010, 11:30:00 pm
Apparently you can still do this. You have to do
"build 0 0"
"build 0 -1"
"build 0 -2"
ect
Tested and true.
*laughs his goddamn ass off*
When you want to test for != 0, you test for != 0, not for > 0!
Post by: Soulwynd on April 30, 2010, 12:05:28 am
Post by: Eduren on April 30, 2010, 12:17:57 am
Post by: Jakkarra on April 30, 2010, 01:32:09 am
I will be a TRUE Gentlemanne of Leisure then!
Post by: Siquo on April 30, 2010, 04:19:34 am
The pyro is underpowered.As a pyro who frequently comes on top of the list, I disagree. The heavy is too slow, the chargedemo can only hit one player per swing, and lost the advantage of jumping to unlikely ambush spots.
The pyro when played as a spy works best, attack a group from behind and spread havoc. It's also the best sentry-defense class, as it can blast uebered people away, blast/shoot stickies and spyhunt. Only against sentries that are not just-around-a-corner they're really weak.
Post by: Jreengus on April 30, 2010, 04:59:26 am
The pyro is underpowered.lost the advantage of jumping to unlikely ambush spots.
Ah, you my dear sir have never heard of pipe jumping.
Nothing like decapitating the first person out the spawn on gravelpit. Sure it's slightly harder and you can't jump anywhere near as high as with stickies but it's even more usefull if you get soemwhere no-one expects a charge demo.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 30, 2010, 06:24:18 am
Or anywhere remotely away from close range. I still love playing the pyro, but every time you look at an ability he has you can see another class does it better. Everybody does well when you ambush, but the explosives classes do better because they can inflict all their damage at once at a range. Pyros can try to run behind enemy lines, but without any added mobility(No projectile jumping, tools to make him less noticeable, double jumping) they are basically doing what you could do with any other class except Heavy and Soldier.The pyro is underpowered.As a pyro who frequently comes on top of the list, I disagree. The heavy is too slow, the chargedemo can only hit one player per swing, and lost the advantage of jumping to unlikely ambush spots.
The pyro when played as a spy works best, attack a group from behind and spread havoc. It's also the best sentry-defense class, as it can blast uebered people away, blast/shoot stickies and spyhunt. Only against sentries that are not just-around-a-corner they're really weak.
Now Airblast is a very powerful tool, but while it can foil the sticky carpet and block the occasional projectile, other explosives can dislodge stickies that are on the walls and ceiling that they pyro can't see without being in danger of blowing up himself and the hit detection on the flamethrower is iffy. There is a problem when you try to burn somebody running to no effect because they are just out of range yet your airblast pushes them away. And don't get me started on the highly variable flamethrower hit detection range.
I do love playing Pyro, but I just see other classes doing what it does better. Although mayhaps the pyro is a jack of all trades type class when it comes to weaknesses and strengths. But even then the lack of particularly amazing abilities foils that idea.
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 30, 2010, 06:30:10 am
1: the airburst's ability to reflect pipes and rockets (not even direct hit rockets to be fair) as well as things like jarate in exceptionally skilled hands
2: the axtinguisher combo, which can one-hit-kill any class but the heavy with almost no chance of substantial retaliation.
Post by: Jreengus on April 30, 2010, 06:35:53 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 30, 2010, 06:53:19 am
I'd forgotten airbursting ubers because it's basically reflexive for me and most good pyros I know - I actually know a guy who actually could (pre-cooldown-reduction) get a medic so high high in the air he could only sporadically keep his buddy ubered.
Post by: LASD on April 30, 2010, 07:59:55 am
I'm one month away from having gotten the silver ;_;I feel your pain, same here. We can go under the Badlands bridge to cry together : (
Post by: Myroc on April 30, 2010, 09:01:36 am
Post by: Jakkarra on April 30, 2010, 09:53:27 am
I AM A GENTLEMANNE OF LEISURE! (Although i don't Actually like gold as a colour, i like silver, but it makes me more gentlemannely.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 30, 2010, 12:02:27 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on April 30, 2010, 12:14:35 pm
It's still THEIR projectile, so they don't take Crit damage.
Post by: fenrif on April 30, 2010, 12:32:06 pm
It dosent make a difference, Demomen arent affected by their own crits any more than a normal sticky, i believe.
It's still THEIR projectile, so they don't take Crit damage.
Are you sure? Because it changes colour when you reflect it back.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 30, 2010, 12:44:04 pm
I know pipe bombs do that, but I have not observed sticky bombs changing colors.It dosent make a difference, Demomen arent affected by their own crits any more than a normal sticky, i believe.
It's still THEIR projectile, so they don't take Crit damage.
Are you sure? Because it changes colour when you reflect it back.
Post by: Jakkarra on April 30, 2010, 02:05:18 pm
Post by: Zai on April 30, 2010, 04:37:27 pm
The backburner is SO much better now. It just owns everything. I'm not even afraid of heavies. Unless they have Natascha.Coming from a guy who already liked the Backburner. (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l303/Branchalite/tongue.gif)
Post by: umiman on April 30, 2010, 07:22:54 pm
What can I say? I like dragonheads.The backburner is SO much better now. It just owns everything. I'm not even afraid of heavies. Unless they have Natascha.Coming from a guy who already liked the Backburner. (http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l303/Branchalite/tongue.gif)
Also, this:
Quote
4:51 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: You are a HORRIBLE pyro
4:51 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: You bloody idiot
4:52 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: Using the backburner
4:52 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: What he hell is wrong with you?
[DFC]Jakkarra is now playing Team Fortress 2. Click here to join.
6:13 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: because it's awesome now?
6:13 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: with 20% more damage than the old flamethrower
6:13 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: It's a cheap peice of shit
6:13 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: okay
6:13 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: Seriously
6:13 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: i don't care that it's "Better"
6:13 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: it's a W+M! peice of shit
6:13 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: I never said it was better though
6:15 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: Why do you use the peice of shit then?
6:15 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: because it's fun
6:15 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: man
6:15 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: W+M1 is SOOOOO FUN
6:16 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: Seriously Umiman
6:16 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: the backburner is a useless peice of shit
6:16 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: WHy would it be more fun
6:16 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: hmm...
6:16 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: it has a head of a dragon
6:16 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: and it does more damage
6:17 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: Whoa
6:17 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: also people never expect you to use it
6:17 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: It's SOOOO MCU BETTER
6:17 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: p[eople expect you to use it
6:17 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: again, I never said it was better
6:17 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: if you are a shit pyro
6:18 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: Seriously
6:18 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: Use the real pyro weapon
6:18 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: the backburner is useless
6:18 PM - Umiman got his Pyro Hat: I'm posting this conversation everywhere
6:18 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: Good
6:19 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: people can learn how shit the backburner is
6:19 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: yand why you should die in a hole if you use it
6:20 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: Seriously
6:20 PM - [DFC]Jakkarra: It's shit
Made me laugh.
Post by: fenrif on April 30, 2010, 07:30:27 pm
Personally I'll be using it from now on whenever I'm in a server with jakkarra. I anticipate fun. :D
Post by: Mr.Person on April 30, 2010, 07:31:38 pm
I use the airblast so little I might actually use the Backburner again. I'll at least try it out whenever Valve gets off their ass and fixes the nasty Dx8 crash bug every time I try and play.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 30, 2010, 07:35:42 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on April 30, 2010, 07:40:13 pm
Post by: dragnar on April 30, 2010, 07:44:01 pm
How dare you use a weapon the devs put in the game? How dare you play the game the way you want too? Obviously everyone should play the same class, the same way, so that the game is really boring and predictable all the time!Yes they should. Everyone should play as snipers with only default equipment. I promise they wouldn't get chain-backstabbed...
Post by: Greiger on April 30, 2010, 07:52:20 pm
Not like yer gunna be protecting sentries from stickys if yer more forward then the sentry is anyway. And if yer that far up yer too busy fighting to split yer attention between the fighting and burning folks that are probably goint to forget that pyro next to them can potentially put them out anyway. Half the time I actively played defensive and tried to extinguish burning folks they wouldn't let me get close enough to put them out.
If somebody wants to use the backburner it's their prerogative. Calm down man.
EDIT: I am completely amazed I made all these spelling mistakes and still managed to spell "prerogative" right
Post by: fenrif on April 30, 2010, 07:53:21 pm
How dare you use a weapon the devs put in the game? How dare you play the game the way you want too? Obviously everyone should play the same class, the same way, so that the game is really boring and predictable all the time!Yes they should. Everyone should play as snipers with only default equipment. I promise they wouldn't get chain-backstabbed...
You're implying that someone would be playing as a spy? What kind of tom-foolery is this! Everyone knows spies are lame and everyone who plays them doesn't get how the game works. Spies are useless.
Everyone should play as engineer, and only use pistol. Thats the real way the game is played. Don't build anything though, engies who build things should be castrated for being so useless.
Post by: Jakkarra on April 30, 2010, 07:54:43 pm
I fly off the handle about certain things, it used to be things that made sense, but it was a lot of things, but now it's migrated to the FaN and Backburner, and just those.
It dosent really help that he's trying to embarrass me by posting the whole bloody thing here though. Seriously, Fuck you umiman.
Post by: Rilder on April 30, 2010, 07:58:19 pm
Post by: fenrif on April 30, 2010, 07:59:50 pm
Plus, you told him to post it so people can see how he should die in a hole for the unbelievable sin of not using the default flamethrower...
Rilder: Couldn't agree more. :P
Post by: umiman on April 30, 2010, 08:01:33 pm
Usually whenever people tell me to do something or play a game a certain way, especially in a non-friendly way I'll be like "Fuck You" Then go out of my way to play the opposite of what they tell me to just to spite them, and enjoy the game more because I am playing in a way that utterly gets on their nerves. :PThis. I totally empathize.
I thought Jakarra was being saracastic at first and he did give me the greenlight to post it, so I did. If he wants me to remove it, all he has to do is ask.... which he hasn't yet. Lots of "fuck you"'s though.
Post by: Nilocy on April 30, 2010, 08:02:09 pm
Anyway, what did they just update?!?!?
Edit:
PROTIP: When dealing with umiman remember this.
umiman is not tough, just totally cold and uncaring
umiman has no emotion
umiman has no morals
Post by: fenrif on April 30, 2010, 08:08:20 pm
Want it muchly.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 30, 2010, 08:10:48 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 30, 2010, 08:20:15 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 30, 2010, 08:26:14 pm
True fact: Backburner is the weapon of choice for failspies.
True dat.
Post by: Nilocy on April 30, 2010, 08:35:13 pm
Post by: Zai on April 30, 2010, 08:39:27 pm
Same for me.
Personally I'll be using it from now on whenever I'm in a server with jakkarra. I anticipate fun. :D
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 30, 2010, 08:41:33 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on April 30, 2010, 08:44:47 pm
Same for me.
Personally I'll be using it from now on whenever I'm in a server with jakkarra. I anticipate fun. :D
And then i will simply leave the server.
Post by: Mr.Person on April 30, 2010, 08:45:25 pm
Sir Umiman won Nethack, that makes him deserve the Sir, just like Sir Josh who appears to be MIA.
Where's my sir title, then?
Also, the medals are back.
Post by: Zai on April 30, 2010, 08:59:40 pm
I'm going to play soldier on servers Jakkarra is on so I can kill all the airburst-less pyros.Smart man.
Post by: Siquo on April 30, 2010, 09:23:52 pm
Post by: Nilocy on April 30, 2010, 09:35:28 pm
I miss.. the server.
Its still there. We need to organise some DFC exclusive games. So I shall put a password on at somepoint and let people know. Probably sunday or sommit.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 30, 2010, 09:42:47 pm
Sir Umiman won Nethack, that makes him deserve the Sir, just like Sir Josh who appears to be MIA.
Where's my sir title, then?
Also, the medals are back.
You have one already Mister.
Post by: Siquo on April 30, 2010, 09:43:21 pm
Post by: Zai on April 30, 2010, 09:52:37 pm
We need to organise some DFC exclusive games. So I shall put a password on at somepoint and let people know. Probably sunday or sommit.Why? What's wrong with the way it's been?
Post by: Osmosis Jones on April 30, 2010, 10:28:05 pm
Ohhhh yeeeaaaahhhh 8)
Post by: fenrif on April 30, 2010, 10:29:11 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on April 30, 2010, 10:40:32 pm
It was there now. Empty though. Nevermind. Too wasted to play. although i did score quite some kills. I play well, wasted.
Brilliant, make it so that a server only getting a small number of players can only be joined by a very small group of players. That'll keep attendance up!
Community's nice, but playing on a 3vs3 server sucks no matter who's on it.
Post by: returntonull on May 01, 2010, 01:50:49 am
Pyro most balanced class in TF2 (Too bad it makes him the weakest too)
Post by: Charmander on May 01, 2010, 06:41:46 am
And Arena maps do the opposite without quick admin intervention, alas.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2010, 08:18:41 am
After some of the most fun games I've ever had on a server in a very long time. I'm actually quite pleased with the latest updates. Although I suppose it says something that a Pyro has to use all the tools at his disposal to be effective. Where as most other classes can use their primary exclusively.I'm alright with the Pyro needing to use all his weapons in conjunction. It makes his skill ceiling much higher, and overall makes him a challenging yet fun class to play. It's just a shame that weapon combos don't do much damage apart from the axetinguisher.
Pyro most balanced class in TF2 (Too bad it makes him the weakest too)
Actually, a good buff to give the pyro would be decreased weapon switch time. He sort of depends on switching weapons very quickly.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 01, 2010, 10:13:29 am
I miss the server when I could actually get some good games on it, the amount of people isn't really my problem with it, rather it seems to lag me far worse than when it first came into existence. I simply can't play on it well.I miss.. the server.
Its still there. We need to organise some DFC exclusive games. So I shall put a password on at somepoint and let people know. Probably sunday or sommit.
Post by: Volatar on May 01, 2010, 10:40:12 am
If you get an invite from Volatar, or zb|Volatar, or [DFC] Volatar, or [d20] Volatar, or any variation on Volatar, you know who it's from :)
Post by: Jreengus on May 01, 2010, 02:52:32 pm
Wonder if it would be possible to make valve change the date slightly so that those who got TF2 as a Christmas present still get the gold...
Post by: ToonyMan on May 01, 2010, 02:53:45 pm
I missed the gold by 5 days, 5 days!!!
Wonder if it would be possible to make valve change the date slightly so that those who got TF2 as a Christmas present still get the gold...
Then what about the people that got TF2 5 days after Christmas?
You wouldn't be able to change anything.
Post by: Jreengus on May 01, 2010, 03:00:14 pm
It just seems wrong to put the cutoff date a few days before Christmas that time when lots of people who would have otherwise bought days weeks or even months earlier are going to wait for. I happen to know for a fact that the game box was sat under my tree before the cutoff date so I'm being penalised for not opening my presents early. That said I don't really care about this enough to do anything.
Edit:
Also thinking about it 0-3 months is October - January.
Month 1 ends on November 10th.
Month 2 ends December 10th.
Month 3 ends January 10th.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 01, 2010, 03:02:40 pm
Post by: Zai on May 01, 2010, 03:30:04 pm
Post by: Charmander on May 01, 2010, 03:44:34 pm
IF YOU ARE A SILVER OR A BRONZE I WILL LEAVE YOU TO DIE
GO TEAM GOLD: SHOWING SUPPORT FROM THE GET-GO
Post by: Nilocy on May 01, 2010, 03:45:02 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 01, 2010, 03:52:20 pm
AS A MEDIC I WILL ONLY HEAL GOLDSThis is already worse than the Halo shitstorm. Knock it off.
IF YOU ARE A SILVER OR A BRONZE I WILL LEAVE YOU TO DIE
GO TEAM GOLD: SHOWING SUPPORT FROM THE GET-GO
Post by: Jreengus on May 01, 2010, 04:06:58 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 01, 2010, 04:22:27 pm
AS A MEDIC I WILL ONLY HEAL GOLDSThis is already worse than the Halo shitstorm. Knock it off.
IF YOU ARE A SILVER OR A BRONZE I WILL LEAVE YOU TO DIE
GO TEAM GOLD: SHOWING SUPPORT FROM THE GET-GO
I thought he was funny. :]
Post by: returntonull on May 01, 2010, 04:38:48 pm
I'm alright with the Pyro needing to use all his weapons in conjunction. It makes his skill ceiling much higher, and overall makes him a challenging yet fun class to play. It's just a shame that weapon combos don't do much damage apart from the axetinguisher.
Actually, a good buff to give the pyro would be decreased weapon switch time. He sort of depends on switching weapons very quickly.
People don't give the shotgun enough credit, it's a really nice finisher when you don't have a wall nearby for puff and sting combos. (Also the hilarious time of accidentally clipping a scout for 126 HP Critical with it while he had the intel, and I was shooting at someone else. I <3 you shotgun.)
I also like that Pyro vs Pyro with the damage down is now more about who's more skilled than some sort of bizarre flame based slap fight.
Post by: Jreengus on May 01, 2010, 04:46:57 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2010, 05:23:01 pm
Pyro v Pyro has always been about who knows the secret.What, keep diagonal to the map or turning around them in such a way that he runs into your flames? Or just puffing them away and taking out the shotgun?
Post by: Jreengus on May 01, 2010, 05:27:11 pm
Post by: Nilocy on May 01, 2010, 06:46:36 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 01, 2010, 07:20:41 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on May 01, 2010, 07:23:39 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 01, 2010, 07:52:06 pm
Got a brigade helm, not a BAD hat, but not my favourite.
So close, yet so far here. Almost got enough metal to try for the Billycock. Watch the game give me the wig or the fedora instead. Stupid game. >:(
Post by: Jakkarra on May 01, 2010, 08:03:01 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 01, 2010, 08:40:22 pm
Don't get the billycock, get the fedora or wig, wait out for the Modest pile, it's a much better model.
Yeah, but the color is terrible.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2010, 09:23:16 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on May 01, 2010, 09:33:16 pm
Post by: Jreengus on May 02, 2010, 04:03:04 pm
Spoiler: The mathsy stuff (click to show/hide)
Post by: returntonull on May 02, 2010, 04:46:58 pm
Ok I've been thinking about this and either the Backburner has received a slight debuff or else it's description is wrong. It states that the Backburner deals +20% damage. But I was under the impression originally both guns had their damage reduced by 20% and then the Backburner was returned to it's original damage. So either the Backburner now does 4% less damage or else it's description should read +25%.
Yep, the Steam forums have already declared that Valve fail at math forever.
Post by: Zai on May 02, 2010, 05:28:15 pm
Ok I've been thinking about this and either the Backburner has received a slight debuff or else it's description is wrong. It states that the Backburner deals +20% damage. But I was under the impression originally both guns had their damage reduced by 20% and then the Backburner was returned to it's original damage. So either the Backburner now does 4% less damage or else it's description should read +25%.I realized this while I was trying to sleep last night.
Post by: Sowelu on May 02, 2010, 05:31:31 pm
Of course shootemups or anything else with a score tends to be percentage, not percentile, but that's not really a game balance thing.
Multiplying percentages is madness to balance. Adding percentiles is much harder to screw up.
Post by: returntonull on May 02, 2010, 09:04:14 pm
Percentages in games are almost ALWAYS intended to be percenTILES, which are additive rather than multiplicative. I know Diablo kinda-sorta spells it out, but tabletop RPGs have to be crystal clear; they usually say in the first couple pages that if you add a x2 effect onto a x2 effect, you get a x3 effect.
Of course shootemups or anything else with a score tends to be percentage, not percentile, but that's not really a game balance thing.
Multiplying percentages is madness to balance. Adding percentiles is much harder to screw up.
I'd agree, if it wasn't the base damage they had modified.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 03, 2010, 11:29:03 am
I can understand discouraging the W+M1 playstyle, but the pyro was made to be the king of close quarters combat. This is the only area his primary weapon can operate. The classes primary weapon should be just that: Their primary way of killing. When you have the choice of a main weapon that cannot kill the class your class is a counter to in the optimal range it was designed for, or a weapon with a higher DPS and the ability to fire at a range, you take the secondary.
Pyros, your shotguns are better than your flamethrowers now. Everybody switch to Backburner.
Post by: fenrif on May 03, 2010, 11:38:10 am
You know what? I take back all praise about the update. Valve ruined the pyro. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwV7W0jFzEE)
I can understand discouraging the W+M1 playstyle, but the pyro was made to be the king of close quarters combat. This is the only area his primary weapon can operate. The classes primary weapon should be just that: Their primary way of killing. When you have the choice of a main weapon that cannot kill the class your class is a counter to in the optimal range it was designed for, or a weapon with a higher DPS and the ability to fire at a range, you take the secondary.
Pyros, your shotguns are better than your flamethrowers now. Everybody switch to Backburner.
Something about that video seems fishy to me. Something about the way the health drains away at a steady rate, then just holds at one while he gets his dead ringer out. I don't really use the dead ringer though, maybe thats normal and I'm just overly cynical. If its true then yes, it's very lame.
Also how come his disguise menu has 1 under the soldier, 2 under heavy, and 3 under sniper? Is there some mod you can use to switch the keys around for the disguises? If so that's pretty usefull and I want it. :P
Post by: dragnar on May 03, 2010, 11:49:41 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 03, 2010, 12:05:34 pm
Post by: Myroc on May 03, 2010, 12:22:02 pm
Still pretty broken, I'll admit, but the pyro WOULD win that fight (albeight, very, very, severly wounded). Unless I'm missing something, which I probably am.
Post by: LASD on May 03, 2010, 02:19:22 pm
It's an alternative soda that makes the scout deal mini-crits for 6 seconds but also take mini-crit damage from everything else in that time. Interesting, I wish I had one to test.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2010, 03:05:13 pm
I like the idea, but I'll always forget to use it.
Post by: Eduren on May 03, 2010, 03:15:06 pm
Post by: Siquo on May 03, 2010, 03:17:53 pm
:'(
Post by: umiman on May 03, 2010, 03:34:38 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 03, 2010, 04:09:55 pm
Goddamn the pyro's regular flamethrower is weak. I still don't understand why they nerfed it.
You are too good for them Sir Umiman!
Post by: umiman on May 03, 2010, 04:21:20 pm
Screw good. I can't even defeat you half the time. xDGoddamn the pyro's regular flamethrower is weak. I still don't understand why they nerfed it.
You are too good for them Sir Umiman!
Post by: Nilocy on May 03, 2010, 04:21:37 pm
Also, pyro's main weapon sucks anus now.
Edit: decided it would be faster to reinstall it instead; can people suggest some _good_ sourcemod plugins to install?
Post by: Siquo on May 03, 2010, 04:37:37 pm
But the pyro... Really, I'm taking time with killing spies. SPIES!?! I want to run past a spy and kill him while not even having to slow down! What's all this "no you have to take along time to kill it"? Also, I just typed "past a spy" and pastaspy is funny to say ten time in a row, for no reason other than that it's funny.
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Post by: umiman on May 03, 2010, 04:39:30 pm
I think Valve has definite math problems.I think the Natascha does half damage? I normally see 10 damage per hit with Sasha but with Natascha it's about 5. When Natascha has crits, it's almost unnoticable. Still excellent against fast movers though and I don't really have a problem with it.
Remember the Direct Hit that dealt +50% damage when it said it dealt +25% damage when it was first released?
Does it seem to anyone else that Natascha does WAY LESS than 25% less damage than the normal minigun?
I like Valve, but their numbers tend not to add up, it seems.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 03, 2010, 04:41:45 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 03, 2010, 05:03:07 pm
Yesterday me playing pyro was downright useless. I start burning stuff and they refuse to die. My flamethrower is sitting on a target for a good 2 seconds and it does nothing but get their attention. So they can turn around and shoot me. I even tried ambushing folks like I used to back when I used the backburner, nothing. I can maybe axestinguish one of them to death. Used to be a good ambush could take out 3 or 4 guys, or failing that do significant damage. You should have to be aware when going around corners. Now a pyro in ideal circumstances can't compete with anything.
It doesn't feel like they nerfed the flamer by 25% It feels more like they nerfed the flamer DOWN TO 25%. Successfully circle strafe a heavy for 2 whole revolutions before he finally gets me, flamer on him the whole time, before that was plenty to kill a lone heavy, now it takes them down to about 50% health if that. I'm actually thinking somebody at valve messed something up inputting numbers, that's really does not feel like a 25% nerf.
The pyro has gone from being a decent class that could only effectively get a few kills in close range to a class that MIGHT kill a medic or spy at close range. And even a spy has a good chance of magically warping behind you and backstabbing you unless you have a ping of less than 30.
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It seems like now if you want to accomplish anything with a pyro you are forced to use the damn backburner.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 03, 2010, 05:19:58 pm
And they are $200 a pop...
Post by: returntonull on May 03, 2010, 07:03:40 pm
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It seems like now if you want to accomplish anything with a pyro you are forced to use the damn backburner.
Not really, you just really have to work harder than the regular assault classes for them. Flame for a second or two, airblast to bounce them. If there's a wall use that to close for a quick axtinguisher kill. No wall nearby? shotgun/flaregun and peg them for a 1-3 shot kill at optimal range. (I'm not actually sure how many shots the flare gun would take as I never use it, but it's mini-criting so it should be out damaging the shotgun per shot.)
I don't think you can do groups too well with the regular flamethrower though, that's mostly just flame them all, blow away who you can, and retreat while shotgunning. Although that's not too different from pre-nerf in head on fights. I wouldn't take the regular flamethrower into a group ambush anymore over the backburner. (I lie, I do anyway.)
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 03, 2010, 08:00:01 pm
With six seconds of afterburn that doesn't really work any more, 'cause I have to keep relighting them.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2010, 09:03:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndZoP4yctqA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRxyJuVx96w <- This is how the flame thrower should be used you whiny "I can't kill shit with fire" people.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on May 03, 2010, 09:14:03 pm
Also- I wasn't even aware that Natascha had been "fixed." At long range, it does five points of damage, crits do 20. Just throwing that out there.
Just like practically every weapon except the sniper rifle or flare gun, Natascha has damage fall off; the amount of damage done decreases with increasing distance from target. Crits (in addition to boosting base damage) nullify damage fall off, meaning that you do the same damage you would at pointblank range (assuming all shots were to hit).
That's why, if you're critting and your heavy,
Edit: Oh god, 3:53 on the second vid. Best airblast ever.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 03, 2010, 09:19:13 pm
HURR HURR I'M A TROLL! PEOPLE ARE ANNOYED WITH PYRO BEING WEAKENED SO I'LL TELL THEM TO PLAY LIKE A PRE-NERFING PYRO
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Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2010, 09:35:26 pm
Okay.HURR HURR I'M A TROLL! PEOPLE ARE ANNOYED WITH PYRO BEING WEAKENED SO I'LL TELL THEM TO PLAY LIKE A PRE-NERFING PYROWHINE
I don't feel the pyro has been weakened at all, for me it has received a massive buff. Of course, I play an AB pyro that normally only puffs a flame or two, so my style of playing got buffed. W+M1s got screwed, or rather, should go use the backburner and ambush people like they normally do.
(notice the movies have next to none pure flame kills, they're ab + axtinguisher pyros)
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 03, 2010, 09:48:54 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2010, 09:57:11 pm
Clearly, I'm too happy with the super AB buff to notice anything else. :P
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 03, 2010, 10:06:01 pm
This is no longer possible in general.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2010, 10:14:14 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 03, 2010, 10:18:42 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 03, 2010, 10:25:35 pm
The question is how much damage can you inflict and the tools at your disposal to make the kill possible/survive. And while the Pyro has perhaps one of the best tools in the game he is also sporting a primary that is weaker than his secondary. The airblast isn't the special ability of the flamethrower anymore, it is the main function now. The ability to light enemies on fire is a helpful secondary ability that removes the time needed to switch to a stronger weapon.
And while I like the new airblast I do feel that it isn't worth the larger distance between my ability to damage other classes and their ability to damage me.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 03, 2010, 10:34:19 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 03, 2010, 10:44:16 pm
I wish afterburn lasted longer though.
Post by: returntonull on May 04, 2010, 02:07:11 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 04, 2010, 02:14:49 am
Too many heavies.
Taking break until Patch 120.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 04, 2010, 02:34:29 am
As everybody else: Huh, I don't think the afterburn has killed me since the patch.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on May 04, 2010, 02:35:09 am
Played some more today.
Too many heavies.
Taking break until Patch 120.
I have also noticed this.
Post by: returntonull on May 04, 2010, 02:44:22 am
Taking break until Patch 120.
Well actually we'd be going to patch 121, poor Valve. They'd probably planned on doing the 119 thing then going, BAM ENGINEER UPDATE IS 120, but all those silly little bugs got in the way.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 04, 2010, 03:21:34 am
The flamethrower does not have a low DPS, it's a pistol with a higher rate of fire, it actually does a bloody good deal of damage.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 04, 2010, 03:36:03 am
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The flamethrower does not have a low DPS, it's a pistol with a higher rate of fire, it actually does a bloody good deal of damage.
Assuming every particle hits and you're at point blank range, I think it does like 70 DPS. Well did, I think it's down to like 60 DPS. And yes, the pistol does more DPS. Everything does except the SMG. And if you get further away? Flamethrower does pitiful amounts of damage.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 04, 2010, 04:28:03 am
Post by: Volatar on May 04, 2010, 06:47:15 am
Now you need to use the axetinguisher to actually kill people.
The axetinguisher is not a basic weapon, it is an unlockable.
Valve should not require you to use an unlockable to be able to kill people. Its just wrong. And it ruins the ability for new players to compete as pyro.
Post by: Jreengus on May 04, 2010, 06:59:57 am
Pyro is pretty damn unplayable now until you get one of the two unlocks.
Post by: Myroc on May 04, 2010, 07:26:31 am
It's like the Repair Node all over again.
Edit: Though crits are still fucking awesome.
Post by: Jreengus on May 04, 2010, 07:34:47 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 04, 2010, 07:57:23 am
Post by: returntonull on May 04, 2010, 08:13:46 am
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The SMG does not have a low DPS, it's a pistol with a higher rate of fire, it actually does a bloody good deal of damage.
It's still the low-man on the totem pole by about 10 points per second.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 04, 2010, 08:34:47 am
It's not currently what you'd call PLAYABLE yet though unfortunately.
Post by: Ampersand on May 04, 2010, 02:37:41 pm
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The SMG does not have a low DPS, it's a pistol with a higher rate of fire, it actually does a bloody good deal of damage.
It's still the low-man on the totem pole by about 10 points per second.
I remember when you could bind primary fire to scroll-wheel up and empty an entire pistol clip in faster than an SMG ever could.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 04, 2010, 04:03:12 pm
Post by: Siquo on May 04, 2010, 04:51:28 pm
I've never really tried that to be honest. I tend to pick one or two people. Jumping in the middle of a bunch usually means death.
Tsk.
You're just a bad W+M1 pyro. Look, we can't help it that you suck at W+M1'ing, and only know how to airblast and axe people. So stop calling people whiners who have a different playstyle, and like to be able to play a game by putting something heavy on the keyboard while going for groceries.
(No seriously, you need to have like 4/5 kills in 3 seconds to feel awesomeness in your veins. The prenerfpyro could do that...)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 04, 2010, 04:52:24 pm
(No seriously, you need to have like 4/5 kills in 3 seconds to feel awesomeness in your veins. The prenerfpyro could do that...)Yo, I'm pre-nerf Equalizer Soldier. Good times.
Post by: dragnar on May 04, 2010, 05:07:37 pm
(No seriously, you need to have like 4/5 kills in 3 seconds to feel awesomeness in your veins. The prenerfpyro could do that...)I disagree. It is far more awesome to methodically cripple an enemy assault with one life as a spy.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 04, 2010, 05:14:11 pm
Post by: Siquo on May 04, 2010, 05:22:42 pm
Post by: Volatar on May 04, 2010, 08:05:29 pm
You can still do that with the backburner, I don't see why all the whining. Not only it's about the same damage the old flame thrower but also crits people from behind.
But since the flames go out in half the time they did before it really is still nerfed to hell.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 05, 2010, 08:12:12 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on May 05, 2010, 08:22:11 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 05, 2010, 08:28:06 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 05, 2010, 08:29:52 pm
Post by: Metalax on May 05, 2010, 08:40:22 pm
Edit: And two other hidden pages in the 119 page
http://www.teamfortress.com/119/steam.html (http://www.teamfortress.com/119/steam.html)
http://www.teamfortress.com/119/teams_and_fortresses.html (http://www.teamfortress.com/119/teams_and_fortresses.html)
Post by: Zai on May 05, 2010, 08:58:25 pm
In my last game, I pushed 2 people into rockets in the same life. Another round, I pushed 2 people into dying from the same rocket.
Pushing is fun.
Post by: Greiger on May 05, 2010, 10:53:38 pm
Maybe I just have a trace of elf blood in me. Or maybe I feel kind of bad for those cooks that will go out of buisness when folks can get fully cooked steamed 'chicken' delivered quickly and efficiently whenever they want.
Post by: Bandages on May 05, 2010, 11:37:04 pm
For some reason I feel kinda sorry for the poor pigeon that is launched through the steam tubes at 200 miles per hour. (Remember you crazy non american folks with yer weird numbers, miles are longer than kilometers.)
Maybe I just have a trace of elf blood in me. Or maybe I feel kind of bad for those cooks that will go out of buisness when folks can get fully cooked steamed 'chicken' delivered quickly and efficiently whenever they want.
You might want to preface that post with the fact you're referencing a hidden page from the update, because when I first read it...
Wut.
Post by: Nilocy on May 06, 2010, 07:19:33 am
Post by: Charmander on May 06, 2010, 08:03:15 am
Post by: Volatar on May 06, 2010, 09:58:45 am
Heh, the engie is building a pyro-bot.
Edit: And two other hidden pages in the 119 page
http://www.teamfortress.com/119/steam.html (http://www.teamfortress.com/119/steam.html)
http://www.teamfortress.com/119/teams_and_fortresses.html (http://www.teamfortress.com/119/teams_and_fortresses.html)
Were those hidden in the flash video as links? The page itself has no such links.
Check out the page's code if you want to see:
Spoiler: code (click to show/hide)
Post by: Thexor on May 06, 2010, 02:27:31 pm
This implies that pigeons travel at 40 MPH... except they have to move faster than that since the Steam system doesn't sleep, and pigeons do.
Assuming 8 hours of sleep per day... that's an average of 60 MPH flight-speed for the pigeons. That's insane.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Greiger on May 06, 2010, 04:07:46 pm
Post by: Metalax on May 06, 2010, 06:11:55 pm
Heh, the engie is building a pyro-bot.
Edit: And two other hidden pages in the 119 page
http://www.teamfortress.com/119/steam.html (http://www.teamfortress.com/119/steam.html)
http://www.teamfortress.com/119/teams_and_fortresses.html (http://www.teamfortress.com/119/teams_and_fortresses.html)
Were those hidden in the flash video as links? The page itself has no such links.
Check out the page's code if you want to see:Spoiler: code (click to show/hide)
They are on the 119 update page, not the video page. Easiest way to find them is to view source and do a search for secret.
Post by: returntonull on May 06, 2010, 08:34:19 pm
Assuming Pyro changes were justified, then what happens if we apply the same logic to change the other classes?
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1 (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1)
Most of it is just silly to absurd, some of it sounds like a good idea.
Post by: Eduren on May 06, 2010, 09:06:40 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on May 06, 2010, 09:13:34 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on May 06, 2010, 09:17:28 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 06, 2010, 09:27:57 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on May 06, 2010, 09:31:13 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 06, 2010, 09:33:48 pm
Also an amusing thread.VALVE, THIS NOW. So balanced, so fair, so skilled. How could we NOT have fun with these suggestions?
Assuming Pyro changes were justified, then what happens if we apply the same logic to change the other classes?
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1 (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1)
Most of it is just silly to absurd, some of it sounds like a good idea.
Post by: Volatar on May 06, 2010, 09:46:14 pm
Post by: fenrif on May 06, 2010, 11:03:21 pm
Also an amusing thread.
Assuming Pyro changes were justified, then what happens if we apply the same logic to change the other classes?
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1 (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1)
Most of it is just silly to absurd, some of it sounds like a good idea.
Someone should make a mod of that, could be interesting. :P
Post by: sluissa on May 07, 2010, 12:55:07 am
Also an amusing thread.VALVE, THIS NOW. So balanced, so fair, so skilled. How could we NOT have fun with these suggestions?
Assuming Pyro changes were justified, then what happens if we apply the same logic to change the other classes?
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1 (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1)
Most of it is just silly to absurd, some of it sounds like a good idea.
How about not? This changes the entire game. If they want to do something this drastic, make a new game. Or a mod, or something. I'm already not a fan of the changes as is, but at least it's still reasonable playable and I'm sure I'll adapt and get used to them. These changes as proposed, while a few aren't entirely bad, many change fundamental factors of the game and some sound like simple childishness, being angry at a class. I hate snipers as much as the next person [in their sights], but there's no reason to nerf them as far as is suggested in this post. Just as bad, the solder proposal to make an airblast like rocket is just going to give people even less reason to play the pyro, that's just a couple of the MAJOR problems i see in there.
EDIT: upon a second reading, is see you may in fact be trying to be sarcastic, to which I say, don't... odds are Valve aren't going to read suggestions from this board, but if they happen to, don't give them any pushes in directions you don't actually want them to go in.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 07, 2010, 12:56:24 am
Post by: Eduren on May 07, 2010, 12:59:12 am
I think that Valve might be better at detecting sarcasm than you.Also an amusing thread.VALVE, THIS NOW. So balanced, so fair, so skilled. How could we NOT have fun with these suggestions?
Assuming Pyro changes were justified, then what happens if we apply the same logic to change the other classes?
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1 (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14780713&postcount=1)
Most of it is just silly to absurd, some of it sounds like a good idea.
How about not? This changes the entire game. If they want to do something this drastic, make a new game. Or a mod, or something. I'm already not a fan of the changes as is, but at least it's still reasonable playable and I'm sure I'll adapt and get used to them. These changes as proposed, while a few aren't entirely bad, many change fundamental factors of the game and some sound like simple childishness, being angry at a class. I hate snipers as much as the next person [in their sights], but there's no reason to nerf them as far as is suggested in this post. Just as bad, the solder proposal to make an airblast like rocket is just going to give people even less reason to play the pyro, that's just a couple of the MAJOR problems i see in there.
EDIT: upon a second reading, is see you may in fact be trying to be sarcastic, to which I say, don't... odds are Valve aren't going to read suggestions from this board, but if they happen to, don't give them any pushes in directions you don't actually want them to go in.
Post by: sluissa on May 07, 2010, 01:06:32 am
I think that Valve might be better at detecting sarcasm than you.
Do you really doubt human stupidity? Would you really be willing to take a chance that the game would turn into something like that? Maybe I should have picked up on it faster, but if one person can make the mistake, any number more can. Don't say it isn't possible. I have some faith in Valve, but I really would not do anything to jinx it.
I suppose it's been cleared up now though, so I'll fade away quietly now... I was never here... woosh woosh woosh....
Post by: Eduren on May 07, 2010, 02:46:35 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 07, 2010, 02:47:35 am
Post by: Sowelu on May 07, 2010, 02:48:53 am
Is there anybody here besides me in the "Valve can do no wrong" camp?
I'm here too, pretty much. This update hasn't bothered me. No update really bothered me. The War! update made me a little leery, but I think it's still all good. I'd rather have a constantly-changing game than a stale one, even if it means a constant stream of unnecessary nerfs and OP classes at times.
Post by: returntonull on May 07, 2010, 02:59:30 am
Is there anybody here besides me in the "Valve can do no wrong" camp?
They do wrong all the time. They're just very good at going, "We totally meant to do that, now look over here at all this awesome."
There's nothing outright wrong with the latest update either, it's not like it outright stops people from doing well as Pyro, it's just a whole lot of work if you're not used to playing like that, and it's a style of play none of the other classes are forced to do like the Pyro is.
Valve: Masters of misdirection, and BSing. As you'll notice the forums are all mass guessing over the Engineer stuff now, and even suspecting more Pyro changes along with.
Edit: Man, I'm just jabbering and not making very good points. Ohwell.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 07, 2010, 03:00:01 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on May 07, 2010, 03:07:29 am
Is there anybody here besides me in the "Valve can do no wrong" camp?
Sort of; I believe valve is the sort of company that, in the long run, will do no harm, but in the short term can screw things up. For example, the scout update. Before that, the heavy was a viable, if somewhat idiosyncratic class. Immediately after the update, he was completely useless, and could be shut down in seconds by a clever scout. That said, valve took notice and fixed the problem over the next few updates.
With this update, I think increasing his skill level by promoting airblasts was a good move, but think they took away some of what made him special; that Oh Shit moment when you encounter a pyro up close has been reduced. For a class that specialises in sowing confusion and breaking up formations, reducing his ability to send people running for health was a bad idea.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 07, 2010, 03:15:00 am
Post by: Sowelu on May 07, 2010, 03:38:29 am
Post by: Siquo on May 07, 2010, 04:19:27 am
I was until this update.This.
Post by: Myroc on May 07, 2010, 09:37:11 am
Can't believe I beat everyone else to it.
Post by: Metalax on May 07, 2010, 10:45:29 am
It looks like they have picked your date for medals by when you purchased TF2 rather than when you first played it like they say, at least if you preordered the orange box.
Post by: Zai on May 07, 2010, 01:17:12 pm
I still have fun playing the Pyro. Of course, I've never been much of a "serious" player. I try to have fun more than I try to win or rack up kills, and the airblast is good for that. While I appreciate them trying to make airblast more useful (success) while still making Backburner more useful (success) I do think they reduced damage for the normal flamethrower more than should have been changed when done in conjunction with lowering afterburn time.
Post by: Servant Corps on May 07, 2010, 01:27:41 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 07, 2010, 02:01:02 pm
Valve... While you are busy making the Pyro a 'skill class', demomen are running around spamming pipes everwhere while wearing 50% fire and explosive damage resistence thanks to the targe.
We pyros have to weapon switch a ton to get kills, they have to *drumroll please*, point in the general direction and shoot!
And although I can use the airblast to send the grenades back, I'm not a friggin' ninja, I simply don't have the reaction time for this crap.
Yeah, just played a match against a team of about 4-5 spammomen and a stray medic. And that damn sniper...
Post by: Soulwynd on May 07, 2010, 02:10:56 pm
If you're playing in a bottleneck map, seriously, pyros aren't good at that unless they can get behind them.
Soldier/demo is what you want for bottlenecks.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 07, 2010, 02:16:26 pm
Switch to backburner, sneak around their backs.Burn for one second, possibly getting a kill...
Whole group turns around and pills me into oblivion.
They go back to business.
Post by: returntonull on May 07, 2010, 02:34:47 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 07, 2010, 03:01:17 pm
A) Kills everyone.
B) Doesn't die.
C) If it shoots someone once, they -must always- die from an after dot.
D) Does that in every possible situation, including suicide jumping in the middle of 6 opponents.
Right-o. Go super-pyro go.
Post by: dragnar on May 07, 2010, 03:13:35 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on May 07, 2010, 03:19:17 pm
The entire point of the pyro(apart from spy-checking... which is a bad Idea, no one should ever do that :)) is to take out large clustered groups in sneak attacks. Sure, it's probably a suicide run, but they should be able to get a few kills out of it.
I think what Valve wants is that if you do this alone, you die. But if there's also a Heavy (ideally using Natasha) shooting at the group while you jump in, they're out of ammo and thus easy pickings.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 07, 2010, 03:37:35 pm
So, you guys basically want a class that can:Oh, hey, when did you begin describing the soldier?
A) Kills everyone.
B) Doesn't die.
C) If it shoots someone once, they -must always- die from an after dot.
D) Does that in every possible situation, including suicide jumping in the middle of 6 opponents.
Right-o. Go super-pyro go.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 07, 2010, 04:46:00 pm
So, you guys basically want a class that can:Sounds about right.
A) Kills everyone.
B) Doesn't die.
C) If it shoots someone once, they -must always- die from an after dot.
D) Does that in every possible situation, including suicide jumping in the middle of 6 opponents.
Right-o. Go super-demo go.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 07, 2010, 06:35:05 pm
So, you guys basically want a class that can:Oh, hey, when did you begin describing the soldier?
A) Kills everyone.
B) Doesn't die.
C) If it shoots someone once, they -must always- die from an after dot.
D) Does that in every possible situation, including suicide jumping in the middle of 6 opponents.
Right-o. Go super-pyro go.
So, you guys basically want a class that can:Sounds about right.
A) Kills everyone.
B) Doesn't die.
C) If it shoots someone once, they -must always- die from an after dot.
D) Does that in every possible situation, including suicide jumping in the middle of 6 opponents.
Right-o. Go super-demo go.
Both correct if you replace DoT with fall damage.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 07, 2010, 06:57:04 pm
Fixed players seeing cloaked Spies when they should be fully cloaked
Updated the Homewrecker
It now damages enemy sappers on friendly buildings
Fixed items not displaying correctly while playing back a demo
Badge hire dates now display the time in GMT
Pyro Is Kredit To Engi!
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 07, 2010, 07:09:32 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 07, 2010, 08:17:30 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on May 07, 2010, 09:22:59 pm
True fact: If you have a heavy stand in a corner and ... send a pyro at him from behind, he'll still win.
They're coming through the walls!
Post by: Siquo on May 08, 2010, 04:30:54 pm
Awesome!!
Not.
Post by: Myroc on May 08, 2010, 04:35:28 pm
Good, since the pyro can no longer kill spies, he can now kill their sappers...Well it makes the Pyro better at guarding sentry emplacements. If a spy kills the engineer and saps it, atleast he can prevent the sapping after he (hopefully) kills the spy.
Awesome!!
Not.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 08, 2010, 04:47:22 pm
With this update the pyro and Engineer have become best buddies.
Post by: Zai on May 08, 2010, 05:08:30 pm
Pyros are still extremely deadly to spies, to the point where pyros will kill more spies than spies kill pyros. Simply because their flames reveal who the spy is. And that the fire goes everywhere.This.
With this update the pyro and Engineer have become best buddies.
Though the fact that you can't just unlock the Homewrecker is kind of meh. I think I'm just going to craft it and the Pain Train. Unfortunately, these are the 3 classes (Demo, Soldier, and Pyro) that I want hats for the most. So I'll have to collect even more of their weapons for class tokens.
Post by: Sowelu on May 08, 2010, 05:09:31 pm
With this update the pyro and Engineer have become best buddies.
Which is as it should be, really.
I mean, how many real-world engineers do you know who aren't also pyromaniacs?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 08, 2010, 05:11:34 pm
So I'll have to collect even more of their weapons for class tokens.Do know that you can create a class token for the wrong class and combine it with one item of the class you want it to be. It will then become the class token you want.
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on May 08, 2010, 06:33:58 pm
With this update the pyro and Engineer have become best buddies.
Which is as it should be, really.
I mean, how many real-world engineers do you know who aren't also pyromaniacs?
Yes, but how many real world engineers have female friends?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 08, 2010, 06:41:41 pm
Several. They just wear thick sweaters and thick glasses and long greasy hair to the point that you can't tell they are female.With this update the pyro and Engineer have become best buddies.
Which is as it should be, really.
I mean, how many real-world engineers do you know who aren't also pyromaniacs?
Yes, but how many real world engineers have female friends?
Post by: The Doctor on May 08, 2010, 06:54:53 pm
...What?
Post by: Siquo on May 09, 2010, 07:11:46 am
With this update the pyro and Engineer have become best buddies.They already were. Airblasting ubers, stickies and rockets away and spychecking already made the pyro the ultimate (well, after the engineer) sentrydefender. Most pyros ignore this, however, but that's people who just play Fortress (as in: without the Team).
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 09, 2010, 08:34:48 am
But all those things all have uses away from the engineer. This weapon is basically only useful for keeping that sentry up after the engineer dies.With this update the pyro and Engineer have become best buddies.They already were. Airblasting ubers, stickies and rockets away and spychecking already made the pyro the ultimate (well, after the engineer) sentrydefender. Most pyros ignore this, however, but that's people who just play Fortress (as in: without the Team).
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 09, 2010, 08:41:50 am
Post by: Metalax on May 09, 2010, 08:51:44 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 09, 2010, 09:23:42 am
Indeed. You can still do it, but situations where a single pyro could take out a level 3 sentry from front/side by coming around an adjacent corner are far rarer.Also dependent on the engineer not respawning in the time it takes you to do it if you manage to kill him in the first place. Hell, he can basically ignore your fire and repair his sentry or shoot you without worry.
And if you do get him and continue your strafe, it's now dependent on nobody from the enemy team at all coming across you.
Post by: Siquo on May 09, 2010, 04:28:37 pm
I'm not the only one who thinks that part of the flamethrower nerf was to try making it so Pyros couldn't circlestrafe sentries to death with the FF and forcing them to use the Homewrecker if they want to deal with a building, am I?
You were, but now... :'(
Couldn't they just have upped building resistance to fire? That would at least have made sense...
Post by: zchris13 on May 09, 2010, 04:58:52 pm
Post by: LASD on May 10, 2010, 02:33:09 am
So the update restricted the usefullness of pyros, limiting them to a single gameplay style?Well, there's at least four:
1. The Pyro who reflects everything back and flareguns (or shotguns) everyone with a small touch of flamethrowering in tight spots.
2. The Pyro who kills everyone with the Flame + Airblast + Axtinquisher combo.
3. The Pyro who helps the engies by killing spies and sappers.
4. The ambushing Backburner-Pyro
The thing is, there's no W+Mouse1 Pyro on the list anymore.
EDIT: I'm not saying these are necessarily great playstyles, but ones people play and are potentially fun.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 10, 2010, 02:48:41 am
Post by: returntonull on May 10, 2010, 03:02:21 am
5. Pyro who dies all the time. Sadly, that's all of the above except number 3.
Not necessarily true, but I suppose having to rely on other people making mistakes is not a fun place to be.
Post by: Siquo on May 10, 2010, 03:34:57 am
Post by: umiman on May 10, 2010, 04:25:34 am
Post by: Sensei on May 10, 2010, 11:39:09 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 10, 2010, 11:58:12 am
Post by: Myroc on May 10, 2010, 12:01:42 pm
In the most recent update the Pyro now moves at 80% speed....
Alright, now the Pyro has gone from slightly easy to pretty difficult to just plain suck.
If a Pyro catches you, you are not supposed to have a decent chance to run away from him.
Post by: Xotes on May 10, 2010, 12:02:39 pm
Post by: Myroc on May 10, 2010, 12:03:57 pm
Post by: Jreengus on May 10, 2010, 12:06:35 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 10, 2010, 01:29:13 pm
Post by: fenrif on May 10, 2010, 01:38:17 pm
I'm lovin the new drop system, just got the paintrain and the homewrecker today. :D
Why nerf pyros when soldiers can basically just run around flogging people to death with their hyper-erect genitalia?
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... wut?
Post by: Bandages on May 10, 2010, 02:13:56 pm
To clarify, I play on a 24/7 TwoFort server, and I like sniping from the battlements. But nothing is more obnoxious than a soldier herp derp rocket jumping into the air, killing you in one shot before you can so much as move, then equalizing back to his base just to do it again.Why nerf pyros when soldiers can basically just run around flogging people to death with their hyper-erect genitalia?
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...
... wut?
Post by: fenrif on May 10, 2010, 02:16:44 pm
To clarify, I play on a 24/7 TwoFort server, and I like sniping from the battlements. But nothing is more obnoxious than a soldier herp derp rocket jumping into the air, killing you in one shot before you can so much as move, then equalizing back to his base just to do it again.Why nerf pyros when soldiers can basically just run around flogging people to death with their hyper-erect genitalia?
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...
... wut?
Ahh, well I can see where you're coming from...
But I also play on a few 24/7 2fort servers, and I play heavy, and nothing is more obnoxious than a sniper sitting up in the battlements killing me in one shot as I walk out the base entrance and then running back into spawn to resupply just to do it again. It's all swings and roundabouts. :P
Post by: Soulwynd on May 10, 2010, 02:18:53 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 10, 2010, 02:20:34 pm
Post by: fenrif on May 10, 2010, 02:31:36 pm
Yes, but put that sniper on the ground level and he will be about as good as killing enemies as a teleporter entrance. Put that SOLDIER on ground level and he crockets your face apart.
I disagree there, I've seen a lot of snipers set up in the entrance on the lower floor, or in the sewers underneath and do well. Then there's the huntsman, which makes the sniper able to help the team push forward too provided they have a buffer between them and the enemy. (I'm certainly no good at it, but I've seen it done)
Post by: Sensei on May 10, 2010, 02:35:39 pm
Post by: zchris13 on May 10, 2010, 02:41:02 pm
EDIT(▼): Yeah it was sarcasm, he says so.
Post by: fenrif on May 10, 2010, 02:43:08 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 10, 2010, 03:14:57 pm
This change is meant to encourage more skill in the medic. With more difficult charge times and smaller ubers medics are encouraged to save their ubers for the very last second. We boosted the weapons of the medic to help balance this change and help keep them alive.
Post by: Myroc on May 10, 2010, 03:17:18 pm
Bad point: Normal Medic less useful, Battle Medic Strategy more viable.
I get the uber time reduction, but why the reduction in healing rate? Why not the time it takes to build up an uber instead?
I'm REALLY bad at detecting sarcasm.
Post by: Sensei on May 10, 2010, 03:18:54 pm
New update. Medigun now only overheals to 115%. Medigun now heals 15% slower. Ubers now last six seconds for both the crits and uber. The syringe gun now does 20% more damage and fires 20% faster. The Blutsauger now gives +6 health with each syringe.Okay, this one is on the Flame Train. They're basically encouraging medics not to help their team as much.
This change is meant to encourage more skill in the medic. With more difficult charge times and smaller ubers medics are encouraged to save their ubers for the very last second. We boosted the weapons of the medic to help balance this change and help keep them alive.
Post by: zchris13 on May 10, 2010, 03:20:18 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 10, 2010, 03:22:23 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 10, 2010, 03:47:41 pm
Removed all guns, foods, and fists from the heavy. He now moves 200% faster.
This update is to encourage heavies to use their sheer girth to push enemies off of high points in order to kill them with cumulative fall damage.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 10, 2010, 03:54:28 pm
The revolver does double damage, but fires 50% slower, and is half as accurate. The sapper is now thrown instead of placed, and does not damage the sentry and buildings, but simply disables them for five seconds.
The changes allow the spy to make tactical choices more efficiently, the cloak no longer completely protects you, and you must use it while the enemy is distracted, the sapper and revolver buffs now allow the spy to use both items in tandem to take down buildings, the new knife mechanic was added due to players complaining the knife was overpowered compared to other melee weapons, and forces spies to ensure that their target is truly distracted before going in for the kill.
The disguise kit was buffed to allow 10% damage reduction, at the cost of only allowing disguises in the Demo, Soldier, Spy, Pyro and scout varieties, they are also only seen to wield their respective melee weapons. This forces spies to think more appropriately to the situation, and stops them from being to use their disguises to fool players too easily, while the damage reduction causes them to be more survivable from spychecking.
Post by: returntonull on May 10, 2010, 03:55:57 pm
Heavy Update:
Removed all guns, foods, and fists from the heavy. He now moves 200% faster.
This update is to encourage heavies to use their sheer girth to push enemies off of high points in order to kill them with cumulative fall damage.
Fast heavy with no weapons but fatty push? HELL YEAH. VALVE MAKE IT SO.
Post by: dragnar on May 10, 2010, 03:56:58 pm
Spies Cloak has been replaced with a partial-cloaking device, and the knife now does crits on a backstab, instead of instant kills.That sapper change actually doesn't sound too bad(though the rest does). More like how it's used in Meet The Spy.
The revolver does double damage, but fires 50% slower, and is half as accurate. The sapper is now thrown instead of placed, and does not damage the sentry and buildings, but simply disables them for five seconds.
The changes allow the spy to make tactical choices more efficiently, the cloak no longer completely protects you, and you must use it while the enemy is distracted, the sapper and revolver buffs now allow the spy to use both items in tandem to take down buildings, the new knife mechanic was added due to players complaining the knife was overpowered compared to other melee weapons, and forces spies to ensure that their target is truly distracted before going in for the kill.
The disguise kit was buffed to allow 10% damage reduction, at the cost of only allowing disguises in the Demo, Soldier, Spy, Pyro and scout varieties, they are also only seen to wield their respective melee weapons. This forces spies to think more appropriately to the situation, and stops them from being to use their disguises to fool players too easily, while the damage reduction causes them to be more survivable from spychecking.
Post by: Eduren on May 10, 2010, 03:56:59 pm
... actually that would be quite fun.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 10, 2010, 03:57:42 pm
Post by: fenrif on May 10, 2010, 03:58:31 pm
Heavy Update:
Removed all guns, foods, and fists from the heavy. He now moves 200% faster.
This update is to encourage heavies to use their sheer girth to push enemies off of high points in order to kill them with cumulative fall damage.
Also announcing the new item: Heavy drawn carriage. Equippable to the heavies main weapon slot, it allows him to use his newfound speed and girth to transport teammates. One of any other class can ride the carriage, which the heavy pulls with his mighty teeth.
This is to balance out recent changes which removed all other items from the heavy, and encourages using heavies as beast of burden, which is a core facet of heavy tactics we feel have been neglected up till now.
In the future look for the heavy dispenser pack back-pack: Make those lazy heavies carry your stuff for you!
Post by: Siquo on May 10, 2010, 04:36:31 pm
HeavyMedic is MasterBlaster!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 10, 2010, 04:38:47 pm
Another new change. Heavy is now able to equip Dentures (Level 5 Teeth) to his melee slot, which will allow him a melee attack at the cost of forcing him to drop his carriage. He can only get a new carriage by reclaiming the one he dropped or grabbing one from the cabinet or garage at the spawn. This is to balance the heavy's lack of melee, which he happens to be ideally suited for with his new speed.Heavy Update:
Removed all guns, foods, and fists from the heavy. He now moves 200% faster.
This update is to encourage heavies to use their sheer girth to push enemies off of high points in order to kill them with cumulative fall damage.
Also announcing the new item: Heavy drawn carriage. Equippable to the heavies main weapon slot, it allows him to use his newfound speed and girth to transport teammates. One of any other class can ride the carriage, which the heavy pulls with his mighty teeth.
This is to balance out recent changes which removed all other items from the heavy, and encourages using heavies as beast of burden, which is a core facet of heavy tactics we feel have been neglected up till now.
In the future look for the heavy dispenser pack back-pack: Make those lazy heavies carry your stuff for you!
Post by: zchris13 on May 10, 2010, 04:41:31 pm
Post by: fenrif on May 10, 2010, 04:42:14 pm
You know what, we just decided to return the heavy to normal, and make an entirely new class to mess around with.
Scratch that, we decided to rebrand the game as heavy fortress 2. All classes are now heavies.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on May 10, 2010, 04:46:02 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 10, 2010, 04:47:41 pm
Post by: dragnar on May 10, 2010, 04:50:11 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 10, 2010, 04:50:48 pm
And there was a thread that actually suggested making backstabs crit.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 10, 2010, 05:00:50 pm
Post by: fenrif on May 10, 2010, 05:03:06 pm
Post by: Giant Snowman on May 10, 2010, 06:25:51 pm
I can spot a cybernetic arm, a guitar and a hammer. Maybe they're going for a melee weapon only patch.
Post by: Zai on May 10, 2010, 06:30:04 pm
That and the video clearly states at the end that it was advertising the Engineer Update and not the Engineered Update.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on May 10, 2010, 07:16:58 pm
Post by: Giant Snowman on May 11, 2010, 09:16:02 am
Post by: Myroc on May 11, 2010, 09:20:18 am
Can anyone see what's written on that propaganda poster? "... in the ..." with a soldier or heavy in the middle.Oh right. That's (apparently a red version of) the poster that won the propaganda contest during wartime.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mr.Person on May 11, 2010, 03:14:44 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 11, 2010, 03:31:46 pm
Why is there a rumor flying around that Valve is going to release the Engineer Update later this week? We'd be lucky to get the update next week. I wouldn't even begin to expect it until at least three weeks from now, and even then I doubt it. A month from now sounds about right to me.
Probably due to all the CS:S beta stuff, and Steam for Mac Launching tomorrow, or not. But those are important too. As for the actual Engineer Update, I'd probably expect it within the Month, although with everything else they've got going on, dunno.
Post by: Sensei on May 11, 2010, 03:38:50 pm
Post by: Zai on May 11, 2010, 04:18:38 pm
Why is there a rumor flying around that Valve is going to release the Engineer Update later this week? We'd be lucky to get the update next week. I wouldn't even begin to expect it until at least three weeks from now, and even then I doubt it. A month from now sounds about right to me.Gotta remember that they'd announce it several days before releasing it, like with all the other class updates. So they may announce it this week, but probably wouldn't release it until next week.
Post by: fenrif on May 11, 2010, 04:33:57 pm
Why is there a rumor flying around that Valve is going to release the Engineer Update later this week? We'd be lucky to get the update next week. I wouldn't even begin to expect it until at least three weeks from now, and even then I doubt it. A month from now sounds about right to me.
Probably due to all the CS:S beta stuff, and Steam for Mac Launching tomorrow, or not. But those are important too. As for the actual Engineer Update, I'd probably expect it within the Month, although with everything else they've got going on, dunno.
Steam for mac tommorow? Does that mean TF2 for mac tommorow? I've got a friend who's in dire need of a backstabbing.
Post by: Greiger on May 11, 2010, 04:39:54 pm
Thats just from vague memory though, so take it with a grain of salt.
Post by: Eduren on May 11, 2010, 04:43:21 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 11, 2010, 05:22:49 pm
Isn't it all Source engine games?
They're doing a weird every Wednesday thing. The only things we know for sure that will be out for Mac tomorrow are... Portal and Torchlight.
Post by: The Doctor on May 11, 2010, 05:25:36 pm
Post by: fenrif on May 11, 2010, 05:30:03 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on May 11, 2010, 06:50:52 pm
I'm hoping that they may grant my wish and do tf2 as a weekend deal to celebrate the mac release.
Weekend deal's probably going to be CSS, considering the beta, although they may make it Portal.
TF2's weekend deal's going to wait until the Engineer Update.
Post by: Shadowlord on May 11, 2010, 07:32:40 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 11, 2010, 07:39:06 pm
Oh, that'll be great. I bet they do a free weekend again at the same time they release the engineer update, and have a weekend sale, resulting in the servers all being overloaded and nobody being able to play or download TF2 for the whole weekend.
Not to mention when you DO play, the games will be saturated with turrets and dispensers and everything will crazy. It will be SITCOM crazy..
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 11, 2010, 07:39:47 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 11, 2010, 08:06:53 pm
...I could organize it into actual semi-event if there's interest.
Post by: dragnar on May 11, 2010, 08:12:11 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 11, 2010, 09:08:40 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 11, 2010, 09:10:44 pm
Post by: Metalax on May 11, 2010, 10:06:30 pm
http://kotaku.com/5536039/the-personality-disorders-of-team-fortress-2 (http://kotaku.com/5536039/the-personality-disorders-of-team-fortress-2)
What's that, did you say uber the spies? That's what I thought you said...Yes, I'm liking this plan...
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 11, 2010, 10:15:58 pm
Just in case anyone hasn't looked at the steam tf2 news feed.This is excellent.
http://kotaku.com/5536039/the-personality-disorders-of-team-fortress-2 (http://kotaku.com/5536039/the-personality-disorders-of-team-fortress-2)
Post by: Sowelu on May 11, 2010, 10:55:10 pm
As for your spies and demomen, I know what I'll be doing.
Backing my engineer buddies up with my flamethrower. Airblast is even better when you're sitting on a dispenser...
Post by: Sensei on May 11, 2010, 11:28:25 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 12, 2010, 08:31:16 pm
Crafting has changed again. Only takes 2 items to make 1 scrap now.
You can decraft all your metal back down to scrap metal.
And all the community items have recipes now. Quoting from the steam forums they are:
Kritzkrieg + Bonk! = Crit-a-Cola
Charge 'n Targe + Razorback = Gunboats
Sandvich + Bonk! = Dakolah's Bar
Equalizer + Eyelander = Homewrecker
Batter's Helmet + 2 Bonks! = Bonk Helmet
Sandman + Scrap Metal = Pain Train
And possibly more.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 12, 2010, 09:47:59 pm
Wow.
Post by: Zai on May 12, 2010, 09:51:15 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 12, 2010, 09:53:00 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 12, 2010, 10:06:51 pm
Thank God I didn't craft those items the other day. =DYou said it.
And I think I have a hat coming along soon.
Post by: Zai on May 12, 2010, 10:18:42 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 12, 2010, 10:19:34 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 12, 2010, 10:20:47 pm
What's the Pain Train good for?You know about spycapping on CP maps? This allows for democaps and soldiercaps to work better.
Post by: Sensei on May 12, 2010, 10:34:38 pm
Post by: dragnar on May 12, 2010, 10:57:14 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 12, 2010, 10:58:24 pm
Have coordinated revolver attacks. "Five people to each sentry, fire on three!"
Post by: Mr.Person on May 12, 2010, 11:13:20 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 13, 2010, 12:30:57 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 13, 2010, 01:06:45 am
Remember that only a certain number of people can contribute to capping at any given time. I think it's around four?... What?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 13, 2010, 02:13:04 am
The more people that are on an objective the faster it gets accomplished. Carts get like a +15% increase to speed per extra person above four, under four being like 40% increase per person. Points are different, as it maxes out capping speed at four.Remember that only a certain number of people can contribute to capping at any given time. I think it's around four?... What?
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 13, 2010, 02:19:45 am
(then again, good luck getting more than 4 people to a point on a public server)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 13, 2010, 02:29:26 am
Source of my info. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0-j52lC5kE&feature=player_embedded)
Post by: LASD on May 13, 2010, 03:25:51 am
Owch... I've been crafting a lot lately.Same here. And I deleted all my duplicates just few weeks before crafting. I seem to always go wrong with these. Cool though that the time I get the fathomed random hat is ever closer.
Now I want a spare Bonk! to get a Crit-a-Cola. No wait, I just crafted my two spare Kritzkriegs yesterday. ARGH.
Also, I bet the crafting screen full of Jarate will yield the Master's Yellow belt.
EDIT: Why Crit-A-Cola is Bonk! + Kritzkrieg? Why not Bonk! + Jarate, that would make more sense. Gross though it would be.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 13, 2010, 03:41:04 am
Post by: Mr.Person on May 13, 2010, 04:21:07 am
Post by: LASD on May 13, 2010, 05:50:40 am
Bonk! + Kritzkrieg: You're adding some crits to a drink to get a crit-flavoured drink.But have you seen this!:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 13, 2010, 07:29:07 am
Post by: Strange guy on May 13, 2010, 11:59:49 am
Post by: Jakkarra on May 13, 2010, 04:19:02 pm
Post by: fenrif on May 13, 2010, 05:08:18 pm
Apparantly the Gunboats can be made by combining a razorback and a targe.
Of course, finally the age-old question of how to dual-wield shields and still be effective in combat...
Shield-shoes!
Post by: Zai on May 13, 2010, 05:13:44 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 13, 2010, 07:58:58 pm
So. All the ideas I have for Engy unlocks are boring (especially those for countering Spies). Very boring. I trust Valve not to make the unlocks this boring.
Steam forums are of course in a tizzy about what the silly blog post today means.
Of course, if we decide to infer things from a silly blog post all I can infer from it is them making TF2 100% more boring! So you may be right, maybe.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 13, 2010, 08:54:40 pm
Post by: Zai on May 13, 2010, 09:40:50 pm
WATCH
Post by: Bandages on May 13, 2010, 09:50:31 pm
He was in a Seattle teriyaki joint eating with his son, so I didn't want to approach/bother him. But I saw him. And my I friends and I freaked out. It was awesome.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on May 13, 2010, 10:14:28 pm
Post by: dragnar on May 13, 2010, 10:37:30 pm
I SAW THE CEO OF VALVE TODAY.Congratulations! You are now cooler merely for having seen him.
He was in a Seattle teriyaki joint eating with his son, so I didn't want to approach/bother him. But I saw him. And my I friends and I freaked out. It was awesome.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 13, 2010, 10:39:52 pm
Alright, I found a better video showing the Pyro and class matchups. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMQWt9aMrXc&fmt=37)And this details exactly why pyros rightfully are complaining. Anyone who says pyro players need to learn their class better should have this stuffed in their mouths.
Post by: umiman on May 13, 2010, 10:51:18 pm
Alright, I found a better video showing the Pyro and class matchups. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMQWt9aMrXc&fmt=37)That was an excellent video. I really hope it convinces the naysayers that the pyro really has been nerfed to retardedness.
Post by: Sensei on May 13, 2010, 11:20:52 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 02:24:50 am
Just standing still and firing your weapon doesn't make it any batter than the next one. Also the pyro takes fixed amount of damage from fire, afaik.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 14, 2010, 02:32:07 am
Gee, I will take the pyro and kill any other class you pick any day easily
Not really.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 02:50:33 am
It takes precisely 1 second to kill an over charged heavy at point blank from behind (0.66 seconds for full health heavy) with the backburner. It's insta kill and they can maneuver so well they do it against every single class, including scout unless they run back like cowards (or smart people).
Edit: Another interesting information, The shotgun has always had a very similar average dps compared to the flamethrower at point blank. 141dps against 157dps. It's 123dps now.
Second interesting information. The damage past the point blank range remained exactly the same 101dps.
Post by: Volatar on May 14, 2010, 05:12:17 am
Yes really. I haven't noticed not one bit of game play difference in the pyro, in fact, I like it even more due to the AB enhancements (Deja vu) . Come to the necrophix server when Scarlet or Malachi are playing pyros. You will be killed til you cry with whatever class you pick.
It takes precisely 1 second to kill an over charged heavy at point blank from behind (0.66 seconds for full health heavy) with the backburner. It's insta kill and they can maneuver so well they do it against every single class, including scout unless they run back like cowards (or smart people).
Edit: Another interesting information, The shotgun has always had a very similar average dps compared to the flamethrower at point blank. 141dps against 157dps. It's 123dps now.
Second interesting information. The damage past the point blank range remained exactly the same 101dps.
Did you even WATCH the video Duke posted?
Post by: Toady Two on May 14, 2010, 05:34:02 am
Axetinguisher still lets you deal out massive damage if you catch an opponent off guard and the pyros role on the frontlines now is to deflect soldier and demo spam. The only pyro these changes nerf is the w + mouse 1.
Post by: Myroc on May 14, 2010, 06:14:13 am
and the pyros role on the frontlines now is to deflect soldier and demo spam.That's exactly the point. A pyro's main role on the frontline should not be reflecting projectiles. It should be burning people. Like it's supposed to.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 14, 2010, 06:22:54 am
Have fun everybody!
Post by: Toady Two on May 14, 2010, 06:43:00 am
If you don't want to use compression blast then just switch to the backburner. It now has the exact same stats as it used to and kills really fast if you can position yourself. I'll stick with the flamethrower and use the shotgun on other pyros thanks.
Discliamer: has anyone tried crafting crita cola + crita cola + batters helm.
If you can get crit helm that would be awesome :D .
Post by: Jreengus on May 14, 2010, 09:15:36 am
That's exactly what I hated in the old pyro. He could run straight into a team fight like a retard die instantly and score some kills just by setting everyone on fire. Apart from being really gay it gave skilled pyros a bad name.
Really? Because either the pyro is running around a corner and ambushing the team in which case they are playing the class how it is intended, and you may as well complain that the engineer can build a level 3 sentry fight like a retard and still get kills when an enemy bumps into it, or else the enemy team is terrible because they allowed a pyro to run all the way up to them without say dealing the 175 damage needed to kill it.
Post by: Strange guy on May 14, 2010, 10:36:56 am
If you don't want to use compression blast then just switch to the backburner. It now has the exact same stats as it used to and kills really fast if you can position yourself. I'll stick with the flamethrower and use the shotgun on other pyros thanks.
Actually the backburner has 4% less damage and 40% less afterburn, not to mention how its special ability is pretty useless thanks to a small angle of crits and how the pyro has no movement/stealth abilities.
The changes haven't completely destroyed pyros abilities, but is definitely a nerf in most situations. I am now playing pyro like a combat engineer with the ability to airblast, rather than like a pyro. Sure it's nerfed W+M1 pyros, but that was never effective, at least not compared to W+M1 heavies or spamming demos/soldiers, and has damaged all other pyros as well.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 14, 2010, 12:32:44 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 14, 2010, 12:33:30 pm
People, one last time. If you are trying to say the pyro deserved this 'skill requirement' shove a sock in your mouth other classes get away with the same or worse BS.
The soldier comes to mind. Grrrrrr random crockets.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 01:09:58 pm
Did you even WATCH the video Duke posted?Yes and bullshit tests are bullshit. It takes the weapon completely out of context, specially since it works different from a shotgun and has no reload times. Plus pyro takes a fixed damage from fire (minimal, which is 1 or 2 per sprite, if I remember well.)
From a personal point of view, I've been killed way more by pyros after the update than before. The ones who aren't good with the AB are using the backburner and that thing does 150ish dps now not counting hits from behind.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 14, 2010, 01:20:53 pm
From a personal point of view, I've been killed way more by pyros after the update than before. The ones who aren't good with the AB are using the backburner and that thing does 150ish dps now not counting hits from behind.You know, just the same as before.
And note he did test other classes than the pyro, like the heavy who melee killed a pyro, the scout who scattergun killed the pyro, and the spy who brought him down to one health. Granted a shotgun test would be nice, but the point is still there.
Also, I cannot accept tests being called bogus when you quote circumstantial evidence of gameplay, which differs depending on the kill of the players and the random nature of combat situations. Your evidence is no better than mine.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 14, 2010, 01:21:43 pm
Are you kidding me? You watched the video and it showed optimal conditions. Meaning in real combat things could only get worse.Did you even WATCH the video Duke posted?Yes and bullshit tests are bullshit. It takes the weapon completely out of context, specially since it works different from a shotgun and has no reload times.
Post by: umiman on May 14, 2010, 01:27:20 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 01:29:34 pm
And fuck, if you call that an optimal condition, you're insane. That's the -WORST- possible condition for a pyro. In the open face to face. It has always been.
And I'm not trolling. I'm going against this whining.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 14, 2010, 01:32:23 pm
And again, the Backburner is the exact same as before with less afterburn.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 01:45:00 pm
Oh, btw, while loading a TF2 map you might get a nice cute hint with a pyro headshot saying something about the flamethrower and hiding around corners. It's a good hint by the tf2 team themselves.
Post by: fenrif on May 14, 2010, 01:58:05 pm
Not really. an ambushing pyro can kill an entire group of people. Anyone else is lucky if they get one or two people.
Oh, btw, while loading a TF2 map you might get a nice cute hint with a pyro headshot saying something about the flamethrower and hiding around corners. It's a good hint by the tf2 team themselves.
Engie, heavy, demoman.. Yeah none of those can kill a group of people with an ambush. :P
Post by: ToonyMan on May 14, 2010, 02:03:52 pm
Not really. an ambushing pyro can kill an entire group of people. Anyone else is lucky if they get one or two people.
Oh, btw, while loading a TF2 map you might get a nice cute hint with a pyro headshot saying something about the flamethrower and hiding around corners. It's a good hint by the tf2 team themselves.
Engie, heavy, demoman.. Yeah none of those can kill a group of people with an ambush. :P
Duke is right, I come around back with a Solider and they're losing a few good men.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 02:06:17 pm
The heavy's shot get blocked by the person he's shooting at which makes it not that effective, plus he's slow and is likely to not survive it, the engie, well, he has to waste time setting up a sentry to ambush and most likely it will be level 1 and wont kill a group of people. By the time he's done with a level 3, the pyro will have ambushed and killed more people than his sentry will.
The pyro on the other hand, has a huge cone weapon which shots will pass through opponents and hit the next in line. A backburner from behind can kill an entire team in one second.
Duke is right, I come around back with a Solider and they're losing a few good men.Not if there's a flamethrower pyro watching their backs. ;)
but then again, not even another pyro would do well against that.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 14, 2010, 02:12:20 pm
Post by: fenrif on May 14, 2010, 02:13:46 pm
Only the demo is up there with a pyro, if he uses sticky traps well enough.
The heavy's shot get blocked by the person he's shooting at which makes it not that effective, plus he's slow and is likely to not survive it, the engie, well, he has to waste time setting up a sentry to ambush and most likely it will be level 1 and wont kill a group of people. By the time he's done with a level 3, the pyro will have ambushed and killed more people than his sentry will.
The pyro on the other hand, has a huge cone weapon which shots will pass through opponents and hit the next in line. A backburner from behind can kill an entire team in one second.Duke is right, I come around back with a Solider and they're losing a few good men.Not if there's a flamethrower pyro watching their backs. ;)
but then again, not even another pyro would do well against that.
So now theres artificial time limits on the ambush? If the engie hasn't set up his sentry properly then it's not an ambush. By that logic I could argue that pyros can't ambush people because they may be low on ammo, or be taunting, or will have low health because someone shot him on the way to his ambush.
And believe me a heavy can take down a decent sized group of people if he catches them unawares. The shots dont get blocked because the minigun has a huge cone of fire, and you dont need to be fast to fill a corridor/room with bullets.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 14, 2010, 02:16:36 pm
I saw the tests. But pyros don't stand still. Pyros don't come at you in the open. Pyros ambush. Yes, the dps for the flamethrower is lower and they have to work harder, but the dps for the backburner is higher and even so, if they do that, they will die.
And fuck, if you call that an optimal condition, you're insane. That's the -WORST- possible condition for a pyro. In the open face to face. It has always been.
It's not possible to do a test that simulates real life like you seem to want. The whole point of the test is that the flamethrower does really shitty DPS, something that's backed up and agreed upon by pretty much all the community. Is the Pyro still deadly? Yeah, but he's also no longer a serious threat. I used to occasionally be able to get melee kills on Pyros; now I can melee Pyros with ease.
Also, Pyros ambushing is stupid. How are they supposed to ambush? What situation does a Pyro do well that a Scout can't do just as well at or better?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 14, 2010, 02:17:08 pm
Only the demo is up there with a pyro, if he uses WINBOMBS and PIPES well enough.
The heavy's shot get blocked by the person he's shooting at which makes it not that effective, plus he's slow and is likely to not survive it
Forgetting his minigun has a flippin' huge 500+ DPS at point blank? Pyro can't touch that.
, the engie, well, he has to waste time setting up a sentry to ambush and most likely it will be level 1 and wont kill a group of people. By the time he's done with a level 3, the pyro will have ambushed and killed more people than his sentry will.
He could plop one down and go in shotgun blazing, he could take out a few fellers. But yeah, I'm not seeing why he's in the list. After all, he's in the defense class bordering on support.
The pyro on the other hand, has a huge cone weapon which shots will pass through opponents and hit the next in line. A backburner from behind can kill an entire team in one second.
If they are lined up perfectly in a mambo line maybe. But ridiculous overblown assumptions aside, yes he's got that. But I refer you back to that 500+ DPS heavy...
Post by: Jreengus on May 14, 2010, 02:19:18 pm
Post by: Satarus on May 14, 2010, 02:37:46 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 02:48:07 pm
I was hoping the pyro would get a stronger afterburn, getting a weaker one is the only change I don't really like. I'd be fine with the time change if the total damage had remained the same, it would mean a better afterburn.
But gee, fine I lose. I don't think I care anymore. Good luck getting the TF2 team to change that back. People got the scouts' FaN changed, so... who knows?
(Btw, if you don't AB, please do try using the backburner, it does close to the same damage the original flamethrower did and you get the 90ish degrees of x3 damage.)
Edit: Fixored brainfart moment and edited something.
Post by: Volatar on May 14, 2010, 02:52:50 pm
you get the 160 degrees of x3 damage.)
From experience, it sure seems a LOT less than 160 degrees...
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 02:58:31 pm
Yeah, I had the spy angle in mind and even typoed it (180 instead). It's 90 or 100ish I think. I really shouldn't be typing while I'm cooking. >:(you get the 160 degrees of x3 damage.)From experience, it sure seems a LOT less than 160 degrees...
Post by: Toady Two on May 14, 2010, 03:16:31 pm
Post by: Myroc on May 14, 2010, 03:21:48 pm
Furthermore, your argument about pyros not standing still in combat is invalid. No one stands still in combat.* Scouts are even MORE adept at dodging, have more mobility to set up ambushes, and as has just been proved, they still get more dps than the pyro does. Spies have cloak and don't have to depend on hiding behind corners to ambush, plus they can insta-kill anyone from behind with a much larger angle of opportunity than a Backburner pyro, who still only gets crits from behind.** The Heavy is, granted, slower than the pyro, but neither of them has any special abilities to set up ambushes, and Heavy ambushes are far more effective than a Pyro's ever will be.
*With the possible exception of the engineer.
**And no, crits with a flamethrower at point blank range does not always mean death. I speak of personal experience.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 03:37:40 pm
And dude, I already gave up, you're right, rejoice in your victory.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 03:58:46 pm
Post by: Myroc on May 14, 2010, 04:00:48 pm
It's fine. I didn't mean to be rude. I just got a lot of flaming for still thinking the pyro does great. :(It still has potential to be truly awesome, but the difficulty ramp has been ramped up significantly.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 14, 2010, 04:50:00 pm
The only reason I got all pissy is because I don't like the premise of 'pyro now requires more skill! If you want to dick around play soldier heavy or demoman!'It's fine. I didn't mean to be rude. I just got a lot of flaming for still thinking the pyro does great. :(It still has potential to be truly awesome, but the difficulty ramp has been ramped up significantly.
Seriously, pyro does not need to be a damn 'skill class'.
Post by: Toady Two on May 14, 2010, 05:24:20 pm
I say the pyro is fine. A theorycraft video doen't prove anything unless you test it on an acutal sever with actual competent players. The pyros main role is to ambush and cause chaos in the enemy team, not to lead charges. (though I have done that with help of a medic quite comeptently).
As it is now, if you like to airblast, go Flamethrower. If you like ambush and outmaneuver, go Backburner. If you like to w + mouse 1 go Q_Q.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 14, 2010, 05:47:09 pm
Post by: Strange guy on May 14, 2010, 06:59:02 pm
As it is now, if you like to airblast, go Flamethrower. If you like ambush and outmaneuver, go Backburner. If you like to w + mouse 1 go Q_Q.
But airblasting is very circumstantial, ambushing on a class without movement/stealth/damage related (eg bonk) abilities isn't enough for an entire playstyle, and W+M1 always sucked, and there was always far more successful and equally skill-less opportunities for other classes.
The pyro was just about a decent class with fire damage+ airblast, but now they are forced to choose between the two when neither are that good.
Post by: kg333 on May 14, 2010, 08:38:45 pm
The only reason I got all pissy is because I don't like the premise of 'pyro now requires more skill! If you want to dick around play soldier heavy or demoman!'It's fine. I didn't mean to be rude. I just got a lot of flaming for still thinking the pyro does great. :(It still has potential to be truly awesome, but the difficulty ramp has been ramped up significantly.
Seriously, pyro does not need to be a damn 'skill class'.
This. Heck, I considered Pyro to be one of the classes good for a beginner to start on, because it didn't take too much to play on a level where they could hold their own. And skilled players could still take the Pyro to an entirely different level.
Now it's nearly impossible for a beginner to play. For someone starting out with no unlocks, they have to learn to airblast, one of the trickiest things to do well in TF2, learn to switch weapons quickly and use the Axtinguisher (once they get it), or wait until they get the Backburner. As someone pointed out earlier, a class should not be gimped to the point of being nearly unplayable simply because they're using the default equipment.
KG
Post by: Volatar on May 14, 2010, 08:58:10 pm
As someone pointed out earlier, a class should not be gimped to the point of being nearly unplayable simply because they're using the default equipment.
That would be me :-\
Post by: Zai on May 14, 2010, 09:05:50 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 15, 2010, 01:17:22 am
This. Heck, I considered Pyro to be one of the classes good for a beginner to start on, because it didn't take too much to play on a level where they could hold their own. And skilled players could still take the Pyro to an entirely different level.
Meet the new Heavy!
Post by: Soulwynd on May 15, 2010, 03:13:49 am
I don't know where he's coming from. I use AB against everyone, not just demo/soldier/uber/bonk. If you control how your opponent moves, you can throw every fire you got on his face.As someone pointed out earlier, a class should not be gimped to the point of being nearly unplayable simply because they're using the default equipment.That would be me :-\
My default set for the pyro is: Flamethrower, Flare, Wrecker/Axtinguisher. I almost never use the backburner and I don't really see a need to use it to keep a K/D ratio higher than 1.
Post by: Volatar on May 15, 2010, 07:03:57 am
I don't know where he's coming from. I use AB against everyone, not just demo/soldier/uber/bonk. If you control how your opponent moves, you can throw every fire you got on his face.As someone pointed out earlier, a class should not be gimped to the point of being nearly unplayable simply because they're using the default equipment.That would be me :-\
My default set for the pyro is: Flamethrower, Flare, Wrecker/Axtinguisher. I almost never use the backburner and I don't really see a need to use it to keep a K/D ratio higher than 1.
You are missing the point. To work that equipment so well you require skill, which newbies - who only have that equipment - do not have.
Post by: Sensei on May 15, 2010, 10:41:16 am
On a lighter note, I've begun hammer-tampering. Tell me what stupid (and small) first map I should make.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 15, 2010, 01:17:41 pm
I don't know where he's coming from. I use AB against everyone, not just demo/soldier/uber/bonk. If you control how your opponent moves, you can throw every fire you got on his face.
My default set for the pyro is: Flamethrower, Flare, Wrecker/Axtinguisher. I almost never use the backburner and I don't really see a need to use it to keep a K/D ratio higher than 1.
I think people were referring to the Axestinguisher.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 15, 2010, 01:35:15 pm
When I was a newbie, I found the pyro to be a hard class to play, to be honest. In fact, it's the last class I actually got the hang of. I went somewhere in the lines of:
heavy -> engie -> demo -> scout -> sniper -> spy -> medic -> soldier -> pyro
Even tho heavy was my first class, I can't really play it effectively. I think the class and equipment I play good with depends a -lot- on the map I'm playing.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 15, 2010, 01:56:35 pm
And you know what? I hate playing Spy now. I just can't do it anymore.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 15, 2010, 02:56:37 pm
Post by: Duuvian on May 15, 2010, 03:19:34 pm
By the way, is there a Bay12 server to play on or a tag I should put on my name?
Post by: Sensei on May 15, 2010, 03:23:25 pm
Post by: Zai on May 15, 2010, 03:42:15 pm
The Bay 12 server hasn't been busy... there is the [DFC] tag, for the Dwarf Fortress Community group. That's not specifically Bay 12 though....If you're going to say "Bay 12 server" and then say the DFC isn't specifically Bay 12, you're contradicting yourself.
DFC group page here:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress?
DFC TF2 server IP:
217.163.31.206:27015
We'll be having a scheduled game tomorrow.
Post by: returntonull on May 15, 2010, 07:21:25 pm
I tend to shy away from spy because I get so stressed playing as him. Funny enough my least stressful class is medic.
Kinda goes with the first law of spying: "Everyone is out to kill you. Even your own team."
At least as a medic it's only the other team.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 15, 2010, 08:16:17 pm
I made the mistake of branching out to pyro before this update. >_<
Post by: returntonull on May 15, 2010, 08:34:59 pm
Spy is my main; I can regularly top scoreboards as it but I don't find it as fun as I used to. Also, its unlocks are all useless in a typical scenario so my playstyle hasn't changed at ALL with the update.
Ha. Totally. The Cloak and Dagger is at least good on Defend maps, but the Ambassador and Dead Ringer are really more gimmicky than useful.
Could always jump on Heavy. I always tend to think of Pyro as basically a faster heavy with less damage and less range. Ninja Heavies are scary.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 15, 2010, 08:36:46 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 15, 2010, 08:41:48 pm
The problem with C&D and DR is that they force you to work more to manage your cloak, and any time you're managing your cloak you aren't, say, sapping a sentry as a demomanor pyrorounds the corner or backstabbing a medic.
Pretty much. I always get more done when I'm using the regular watch. Got into the bad habit of using the C&D for awhile. You start taking the cloak for granted and sit around too much waiting for times to strike instead of actually doing so. Switching back to the regular watch after that was the most refreshing time as spy I've ever had.
Post by: dragnar on May 15, 2010, 08:42:20 pm
The ambassador on the other hand is the only pistol I ever consider using. It's the fastest way to take out snipers with the razorback. Just headshot, then finish them off: they will have only 5 hp if they were at max.
Post by: returntonull on May 15, 2010, 08:45:15 pm
The ambassador on the other hand is the only pistol I ever consider using. It's the fastest way to take out snipers with the razorback. Just headshot, then finish them off: they will have only 5 hp if they were at max.
I don't remember... did they switch it to a full crit? It was three shots Ambassador or not last time I remember bothering.
Post by: Sensei on May 15, 2010, 08:49:24 pm
Post by: dragnar on May 15, 2010, 08:53:39 pm
The ambassador never crits normally, and it has reduced damage. But headshots always deal exactly 120 damage.The ambassador on the other hand is the only pistol I ever consider using. It's the fastest way to take out snipers with the razorback. Just headshot, then finish them off: they will have only 5 hp if they were at max.
I don't remember... did they switch it to a full crit? It was three shots Ambassador or not last time I remember bothering.
Post by: Ze Spy on May 15, 2010, 08:55:45 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 15, 2010, 08:59:04 pm
Ambassador used to be Weak , 5 head shots to kill a scout and 4 revolver shots to kill a scout , it was last time , now the Ambassador is furfaggotivly overpowered , you'll be taking down medic-heavy combos in seconds with that
I had one when it was using the bounding box for hits. >:D
Post by: Soulwynd on May 15, 2010, 09:40:52 pm
I like the DR more than the other cloaks and I use it fairly well... On average, I activate it 3 to 4 times per life and keep a higher than 1:1 K/d ratio. I can't say the same about the soldier or heavy, sadly. My sucky classes. I do have good days with them, but then again, who doesn't have a good day with a random class?
Post by: Jakkarra on May 15, 2010, 10:09:29 pm
The ambassador never crits normally, and it has reduced damage. But headshots always deal exactly 120 damage.The ambassador on the other hand is the only pistol I ever consider using. It's the fastest way to take out snipers with the razorback. Just headshot, then finish them off: they will have only 5 hp if they were at max.
I don't remember... did they switch it to a full crit? It was three shots Ambassador or not last time I remember bothering.
102.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 15, 2010, 10:12:37 pm
102.I thought it was 105...
Post by: Org on May 15, 2010, 10:14:01 pm
I like the Demoman.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 15, 2010, 10:20:56 pm
I play TF2.*Booooo*
I like the Demoman.
*Hisss*
*Phooey*
*rotten tomato throwing*
Post by: Greiger on May 15, 2010, 10:34:40 pm
...
MAGGOTS! *throws tomato at Org*
Post by: Zai on May 15, 2010, 10:39:43 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 15, 2010, 11:04:00 pm
Damaging someone as I check which ways will make good exits if I'm caught (i.e. which ways don't lead to other enemies, that is) because I have to line up a shot to have a decent chance of killing.
Eliminating buildings from a distance (or damaging them to force the engie to stay on them)
Killing people (at most ranges, unless you manage to snipe from where they can't see you, being able to pump out boolit after boolit gives you better dps than the Ambassador ever since they removed the thing where it can still get crits even if it isn't at full accuracy, as long as it hits the head).
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 15, 2010, 11:05:59 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 15, 2010, 11:16:56 pm
I noticed that the first shot of the revolver always seems to be perfectly accurate, with a two second or so cooldown time. No headshot crits, but it does allow one to shoot targets far away.
Pretty much, the timing is about reload time. So shoot, reload, shoot, reload, will get you always perfectly accurate shots.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 15, 2010, 11:26:27 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on May 16, 2010, 04:22:39 am
I noticed that the first shot of the revolver always seems to be perfectly accurate, with a two second or so cooldown time. No headshot crits, but it does allow one to shoot targets far away.
The first shot of any rapid fire weapon is straigh-down-the-barrel accurate. This includes Sasha, by the way. So if you're trying to shoot a Sniper from far away, shoot one shot every ~1.7 seconds or so (that's about how long it takes to reset).
Post by: Ze Spy on May 16, 2010, 06:27:38 am
Dummkopfs
also , the Targe and Eyelander seems quite overpowered , one targe'd slash is enough to Decapitate a Soldier , and thats what i usally play
one Targe'd slash is enough to reduce a heavy's health right down to 25 , provided if you charged the lenght needed to get a full out Crit
Post by: Jreengus on May 16, 2010, 06:44:51 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 16, 2010, 08:10:36 am
That's readily available counters for 5 of the classes, a solution that's easy to set up for a sixth. Sniper can sidestep-jarate-noscope to deal with the Eyelander's range boost, Spy can shoot him or just go "fuck it" and turn invis then run, medic just has to avoid the first hit and run until it finds someone eager to help in return for healing or can run-and-syringe between the Targe's charge-up times.
Post by: Toady Two on May 16, 2010, 10:12:57 am
What is really scary is if the demo caps 4 heads and switches to sticky launcher. If hes careful he can hold his ground for quite some time like that.
Post by: Org on May 16, 2010, 10:16:09 am
I like using it. I sneak up on enemy team, flame them, and usually most die.
Sooo, what server?
Post by: Toady Two on May 16, 2010, 10:28:36 am
It changed from being a giant "I am a noob" sign to an actual sidegrade.
PS: Lets not go back to the pyro nerf discussion.
Post by: Org on May 16, 2010, 10:42:33 am
Anyway, profile name is Org
Add me as a friend.
Post by: Sensei on May 16, 2010, 12:24:04 pm
Anyway, Hammer is a really annoying tool. :-\
Post by: returntonull on May 16, 2010, 02:14:59 pm
Yesterday as a heavy I melee killed a pyro. This should not occur.
Anyway, Hammer is a really annoying tool. :-\
Welcome to just about every map editor ever. Although I kinda do wish carve worked correctly, or that it didn't flip out over certain vertex tortured shapes.
Post by: Sowelu on May 16, 2010, 02:30:35 pm
Yesterday as a heavy I melee killed a pyro. This should not occur.
I've killed just about every class as every other class with melee. If you get a crit, or they just don't turn around, you embarrass them which is as it should be.
The Pyro has his speed working for him. It's kinda like if you pummeled a scout to death...
Post by: Mr.Person on May 16, 2010, 03:29:39 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 16, 2010, 03:35:18 pm
Man, that was SO last week, we should really complain about something new. Scouts, man. fuckem.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 16, 2010, 03:50:25 pm
Kills by ubersaw: 50% normally 50% crits.
Deaths by ubersaw: 100% crits.
Post by: returntonull on May 16, 2010, 04:03:30 pm
That crit rate on the ubersaw man. It seems to change depending on the player.
Kills by ubersaw: 50% normally 50% crits.
Deaths by ubersaw: 100% crits.
Haha. Man I remember being so pissed that it filled your uber and -still- crit when the medic update hit. IMBA!
Post by: Sensei on May 16, 2010, 04:06:14 pm
After he ambushed me. No crits.Yesterday as a heavy I melee killed a pyro. This should not occur.
I've killed just about every class as every other class with melee. If you get a crit, or they just don't turn around, you embarrass them which is as it should be.
The Pyro has his speed working for him. It's kinda like if you pummeled a scout to death...
That crit rate on the ubersaw man. It seems to change depending on the player.I was genuinely under the impression for some time that the engineer's Wrench automatically got crits against disguised spies.
Kills by ubersaw: 50% normally 50% crits.
Deaths by ubersaw: 100% crits.
Post by: Volatar on May 16, 2010, 04:31:55 pm
That crit rate on the ubersaw man. It seems to change depending on the player.I was genuinely under the impression for some time that the engineer's Wrench automatically got crits against disguised spies.
Kills by ubersaw: 50% normally 50% crits.
Deaths by ubersaw: 100% crits.
The wrench does give more crits than any other melee weapon though...
Post by: Mr.Person on May 16, 2010, 04:40:07 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 16, 2010, 04:41:13 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 16, 2010, 04:44:44 pm
No, it's just that damage your sentry does increases your crit rate. The same is true for a Medic's patient damage counting for raising the Medic's crit rate.
Could you elaborate on this mechanic, please?
Post by: Greiger on May 16, 2010, 04:52:11 pm
...and then because people can't deal with a little bit of random element, half the time the crits get turned off and Team Fortress just gets a little more uninteresting and boring.
I think the crit rate maxes out at 10% for everyone but I might remember the figures wrong.
Post by: Jreengus on May 16, 2010, 04:52:54 pm
Crit chance is increased based on damage done, it's part of the positive reinforcement mechanic TF2 focuses on. Do well and you'll do better, crit chance is directly related to damage done over the past few seconds, the TF2 blog has done at least one in-depth post on this. One of the core ideas behind TF2 mechanics is that stalemates are bad thus they utilise a lot of positive reinforcement ideas, do well and you will do better, this means a team which is only slightly better than the other will receive additional help to overcome a dug in enemy. If you're on a killing spree your crit chance increases, this helps your team and also helps create those awesome moments when you are on fire and no-one can touch you. Of course the simple fact crits are random crits helps weaker players too, it's no fun to die all the time and random crits help give you an edge over more experienced players occasionally. A lot of thought went into TF2, it was in development for a lot of time so you wont find any area that hasn't had a large opart of the team debating and focusing on for a large amount of time.No, it's just that damage your sentry does increases your crit rate. The same is true for a Medic's patient damage counting for raising the Medic's crit rate.
Could you elaborate on this mechanic, please?
I agree with Greiger, crits have had a lot of thought put into them, the only time TF2 shouldn't have them is during professional tournaments when random chance cant be a deciding factor. Unfortunately people remember the times they die to crits not the times a crit helped them take out half the enemy team or gain a revenge kill on that enemy that has dominated them the past 2 games.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 16, 2010, 04:54:58 pm
The sentry does heavy damage to classes, which increases your critrate by a huge margin.
Here, look at this:
(http://tf2wiki.net/w/images/f/fe/CritHitChanceGraph.jpg)
Post by: Mr.Person on May 16, 2010, 04:57:00 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 16, 2010, 05:23:17 pm
You're all so helpful, I love this forum.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 16, 2010, 05:30:24 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on May 16, 2010, 05:37:35 pm
Ah, thank you everyone!
You're all so helpful, I love this forum.
I stabbed you in the back last game, when you were eating in doublecross.
Remember?
Post by: Bandages on May 16, 2010, 05:38:55 pm
so I decided to play on a less-laggy server :p
Post by: zchris13 on May 16, 2010, 06:00:00 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on May 16, 2010, 06:01:24 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 16, 2010, 06:02:38 pm
It's in england.
Ah, I am in Seattle. So ends the mystery of the mysterious lag.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 16, 2010, 06:06:38 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 16, 2010, 07:21:54 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 16, 2010, 07:41:28 pm
Post by: Ze Spy on May 17, 2010, 12:46:12 am
Meelee Weapons : 15% Crit Chance
just to clear that up : the crit increase is by the last 20 seconds , also , there is a reason i hate crits , and therefore play on Non-Cirt Servers , it works better and has a higher chance of owning instead of gettin' owned by a random crit Grenade that does like 300 damage
also , Duke , i remember Critting you with a random Stray Crocket while you were sitting in that corner , who told you to hide in there anyway?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 17, 2010, 01:14:22 am
But that is not the point. I'm talking about non-splash weapons like the minigun and arrows. Where other servers I can accept a fraction of a second where such projectiles would hit me when I leave the LOS due to lag compensation the DFC server has like a whole second of it. This may just be the distance between me and the server, but it makes me not like playing there.
That and comp people sometimes play there. I'm not playing when somebody on the enemy team has perfect aim with the ambassador.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 17, 2010, 01:18:31 am
I agree with Greiger, crits have had a lot of thought put into them, the only time TF2 shouldn't have them is during professional tournaments when random chance cant be a deciding factor. Unfortunately people remember the times they die to crits not the times a crit helped them take out half the enemy team or gain a revenge kill on that enemy that has dominated them the past 2 games.
I dispute this notion, especially when the random chance is skill-weighted and contests are frequent enough that the luck won't decide all by itself the outcome of a statistically relevant number of encounters. In other words, since you get so many chances to kill your opponents and go for the objective, it's not necessary that every single encounter be 100% determined by player skill. It's acceptable to have some element of chance as long as the system is both favorable a more skilled player and mitigatable by the unfavored player through skill. Getting more crits as you do more damage definitely counts for being skill favored.
That's not to say that I think TF2's crits are 100% appropriate for tournaments, though. Specifically, very close range crockets are impossibly hard to dodge and spell certain death for 8 of the classes and near-death for the Heavy. Crickies are also stupidly deadly, and most other crits (except shotgun crits) are far too deadly and hard to avoid to be called mitigatable. In more cases, getting hit by a crit means you die, and if you're not dead, you're very close. But the point I'm trying to make is, deterministic winner-favouring non-dominating random chance is not something to automatically shun in tournaments. Look at Poker. People bet hundreds of thousands of dollars at tounraments on a game where winning or losing a hand is determined by chance alone, yet you can't look me and say with a straight face the Poker isn't a skill-intensive game. (Before anybody PM's me, all I'm saying is that no matter how you bet, despite the fact you'll lose a ton of cash, you'll still win a couple hands.)
You have to look at luck elements on a case-by-case basis. Sometimes, the random chance adds something to the game. Specifically, if a skilled player can overcome the advantage the dice have given their less skilled opponent, then you're really only changing the path to victory, not the fact you actually won. A highly varied number of situations for the player to overcome is indicative of a fun and highly skill-intensive game.
So I think the crits system could be improved in many ways. The most important one boils down to changing it so you have a 7% to 10% chance of a mini-crit, but as you do more damage, more and more of those mini-crits get turned into full crits. That way, skilled lucky players get rewarded with cool kill-streaks while less skilled players still get chances to take down more skilled players, just not in an "I crit, you die" kind of way, it's more of an "I mini-crit, making up for the attacks I missed with earlier" deal.
Post by: Jreengus on May 17, 2010, 01:37:46 am
Post by: Mr.Person on May 17, 2010, 01:52:55 am
The problem with crits in tournaments is that they can decide who wins with skill taking no part in it. In poker luck determines how strong a position you are in and you then use skill to carry through from that position to win, even a weak hand can work well for you. In TF2 skill determines the strength of your position but a simple crit can wipe all that away and hand a win to the other team regardless of who was the better player. It's the equivalent of having poker players roll a dice when then they fold and they are automatically all in if they roll a 6, the luck is unaffected by their skill.
You either did not read the entirity of my post or didn't fully understand it. I addressed this issue already and in fact stated outright that crits being overly deadly is the reason they're not appropriate for tournaments.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 17, 2010, 01:56:12 am
Post by: Toady Two on May 17, 2010, 02:47:40 am
Post by: Jreengus on May 17, 2010, 03:55:32 am
My apologies if I misread your post, I haven't slept for over 24 hours and am currently running purely on caffeine.The problem with crits in tournaments is that they can decide who wins with skill taking no part in it. In poker luck determines how strong a position you are in and you then use skill to carry through from that position to win, even a weak hand can work well for you. In TF2 skill determines the strength of your position but a simple crit can wipe all that away and hand a win to the other team regardless of who was the better player. It's the equivalent of having poker players roll a dice when then they fold and they are automatically all in if they roll a 6, the luck is unaffected by their skill.
You either did not read the entirity of my post or didn't fully understand it. I addressed this issue already and in fact stated outright that crits being overly deadly is the reason they're not appropriate for tournaments.
Post by: Siquo on May 17, 2010, 04:57:06 am
I killed a Heavy as a pyro, full frontal attack! Without crits, that's not possible...
Pyro is still playable, but has a more limited use. He's fun in doublecross though, now that you get kills for blasting people off :D
Post by: Schilcote on May 17, 2010, 11:42:20 am
My apologies if I misread your post, I haven't slept for over 24 hours and am currently running purely on caffeine.The problem with crits in tournaments is that they can decide who wins with skill taking no part in it. In poker luck determines how strong a position you are in and you then use skill to carry through from that position to win, even a weak hand can work well for you. In TF2 skill determines the strength of your position but a simple crit can wipe all that away and hand a win to the other team regardless of who was the better player. It's the equivalent of having poker players roll a dice when then they fold and they are automatically all in if they roll a 6, the luck is unaffected by their skill.
You either did not read the entirity of my post or didn't fully understand it. I addressed this issue already and in fact stated outright that crits being overly deadly is the reason they're not appropriate for tournaments.
Actually, the statement he made was the point of crits, as Valve said. They're to occasionally reduce the influence of skill. The idea was that a newbie would never, ever have any chance of taking down an experienced player, and getting killed constantly is boring. Knowing this, Valve made it so that there's a small chance of getting a crit, so that a noob can occasionally get a kill on a player he would normally have no chance against. Sorry to say, loosing ISN'T fun, (except in DF) it's the CHANCE of loosing that makes WINNING fun. If you couldn't loose, it'd be boring, but an impossible game is just as boring.
Post by: Nilocy on May 17, 2010, 12:07:08 pm
Also, how can you hate crit wrenching an invisible spy?
Post by: Schilcote on May 17, 2010, 12:37:11 pm
Also, how can you hate crit wrenching an invisible spy?
I love it.
I actually got accused of hacking because I kept shooting down a certain spy while he cloaked. He kept hiding in the same places...
Post by: Volatar on May 17, 2010, 01:12:54 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 17, 2010, 01:16:22 pm
!votegravity 0 0
:D
Post by: Siquo on May 17, 2010, 01:46:37 pm
It's not chess.
Post by: Volatar on May 17, 2010, 02:13:44 pm
You guys should join me on the Team Interrobang servers.
I was in that Steamgroup (and played on the servers. Server #5 late at night = awesome) but I got annoyed with the CONSTANT event spam.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 17, 2010, 03:39:35 pm
If it were not for Melee crits, i would almost never lose a duel.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 17, 2010, 05:47:39 pm
Post by: Volatar on May 17, 2010, 06:08:34 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 17, 2010, 06:10:54 pm
10 events within 3 hours is spam to me. Regardless of its legitimacy.Yes. I left the 'Prop Hunt' group because of this.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 17, 2010, 06:11:31 pm
10 events within 3 hours is spam to me. Regardless of its legitimacy.That's more events than we have active servers. Couldn't have happened.
Post by: Evilgrim on May 17, 2010, 06:30:09 pm
Ohh yeah, I love the sniper.
Post by: Volatar on May 17, 2010, 07:11:13 pm
10 events within 3 hours is spam to me. Regardless of its legitimacy.That's more events than we have active servers. Couldn't have happened.
It did. 3 servers sending out multiple events rapidly.
Post by: Sensei on May 17, 2010, 07:58:24 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 17, 2010, 07:59:35 pm
Post by: Volatar on May 17, 2010, 08:47:41 pm
On crits: I like 'em.
Post by: Bandages on May 17, 2010, 08:49:18 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 17, 2010, 09:32:15 pm
Also, I wish I could make Steam not pop up with stupid event announcements or even "your friend is now playing X" most of the time. I've got, like, four people who I care if they're playing. Everyone else, I'd be happy to MANUALLY open my friends list and see "Oh hey, five of my buddies are on that server, I think I'll join it". As it is, I choose not to have friends, instead.
Post by: dragnar on May 17, 2010, 09:32:55 pm
Post by: The Doctor on May 17, 2010, 09:48:56 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on May 17, 2010, 09:49:38 pm
As far as crits go, I don't really like them. I think that 'fun' factors which are dubiously fair (for which there is plenty of room) should be more spectacular than sometimes doing a lot of damage- a sudden, "Hey guess what, half gravity for 60 seconds!" can be silly and make players think on their feet. Crits don't really invoke any strategy (other than knowing that sometimes you just die, so don't bet everything on one charge).
That's actually a good idea. What if every weapon's crits were different? Instead of crockets being nukes that deal ~300 damage to anything that DARES to get hit, instead it does normal damage, but has a triple blast radius and triple pushback. Flamethrower? Afterburn does triple damage and last three times as long. Scattergun shoots three times as many bullets . Crit pistol? Every shot is moved 300% closer to the center of the crosshair. Minigun? Shoot three times as many bullets per second.
Unlockables can get into the fun too. Crit jarate makes covered enemies take FULL CRITS! Blutsauger heals you for 9 health per needle. Ubersaw gives you 75% ubercharge right there. Natasha triples the slowdown effect. Eyelander swings should have an a triple-length range.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 17, 2010, 09:52:08 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 17, 2010, 09:52:59 pm
Eyelander swings should have an a triple-length range.
Medic with kritzkrieg + Demoman = "WHAT THE HELL"
Post by: Zai on May 17, 2010, 09:53:06 pm
Also, I wish I could make Steam not pop up with stupid event announcements or even "your friend is now playing X" most of the time. I've got, like, four people who I care if they're playing. Everyone else, I'd be happy to MANUALLY open my friends list and see "Oh hey, five of my buddies are on that server, I think I'll join it". As it is, I choose not to have friends, instead.Wha? But you can! At least the friends part. It's pretty silly not to have any friends when you can just go into Settings in Steam, click the Friends tab, look at the Notifications & Sounds part of it, look at the When any Friend joins a game, and uncheck the box next to "Display a notification."
Post by: dragnar on May 17, 2010, 09:54:43 pm
Eyelander swings should have an a triple-length range.Better: energy wave attack, only usable with a targe and full health.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 17, 2010, 10:00:27 pm
Do note that the Eyelander does not have random crits, so this would mean that the Targe would grant him an easier time reaching heads.
I was going under the assumption that crits would no longer deal triple damage. Maybe double damage?
Post by: Greiger on May 17, 2010, 10:05:22 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 17, 2010, 10:14:26 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 17, 2010, 10:27:10 pm
While taking a bio break I thought up an ocarina taunt too. Taunting causes the demoman to stand still and play an ocarina. Pressing directional buttons plays a note. Correct notes in correct sequence activate tauntkills ranging from a suicidal tornado summoning tauntkill to a horse dropping out of the sky in front of the demoman and sprinting off in a random direction trampling everyone in the way.
Of course I am just throwing this idea out there. A skin thing would be awesome by itself, all this other stuff would just be epic. (hell it probably isn't even possible)
Post by: dragnar on May 17, 2010, 10:28:51 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 17, 2010, 11:05:34 pm
Also, I wish I could make Steam not pop up with stupid event announcements or even "your friend is now playing X" most of the time. I've got, like, four people who I care if they're playing. Everyone else, I'd be happy to MANUALLY open my friends list and see "Oh hey, five of my buddies are on that server, I think I'll join it". As it is, I choose not to have friends, instead.Wha? But you can! At least the friends part. It's pretty silly not to have any friends when you can just go into Settings in Steam, click the Friends tab, look at the Notifications & Sounds part of it, look at the When any Friend joins a game, and uncheck the box next to "Display a notification."
Ah, but I've got a few local friends who I DO want to get notifications from. I don't see any option to change the settings on a per-friend basis.
...Wait. They must have added that in the UI update. Okay, cool.
Post by: LASD on May 18, 2010, 02:31:28 am
Volatar, you might've run into the Announcement Duplication glitch, where you get... well, the name says it all, really. You get the same announcement multiple times.I think at least part of what happened is that Steam makes an announcement when you schedule an event. So if you make an event that starts in 5 minutes, it first announces the scheduling to everyone in the group, then the event 5 minutes later.
Annoying.
Anyway, I wonder when the engi update starts. There's no record yet what "Coming soon" means in Valve Time (http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time). "Shortly" was confirmed to mean 6 months though.
Post by: Siquo on May 18, 2010, 03:09:05 am
While taking a bio break I thought up an ocarina taunt too. Taunting causes the demoman to stand still and play an ocarina. Pressing directional buttons plays a note. Correct notes in correct sequence activate tauntkills ranging from a suicidal tornado summoning tauntkill to a horse dropping out of the sky in front of the demoman and sprinting off in a random direction trampling everyone in the way.Mortal Combat vs TF2 vs Zelda? OCARINALITY!
Post by: SeaBee on May 18, 2010, 06:36:27 am
Having crazy performance problems with 26 or 28 bots shooting at each other, which is concerning. My machine is no beast, but I expected to easily run this on mid-low settings. It defaulted to all "High" as recommended for my machine, but putting everything on ultra-low makes no difference. Any-who, once I figure that out, I'll give this a shot with Real PeopleTM.
Oh, and I do like bigger fights. The more people, the more fun for me. What's the average number of players in each match?
I kind of want to go engineer, too. That a bad choice?
Post by: dragnar on May 18, 2010, 06:52:34 am
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on May 18, 2010, 07:10:03 am
Your computer is probably lagging because of all the bots, not TF2 itself. I've never used them, but I wouldn't be surprised if their AI was pretty CPU intensive.This.
Best way to get into the game is to play a
Post by: Volatar on May 18, 2010, 07:16:21 am
Try to get the achievement where you have to play a complete round as each class.
Post by: LASD on May 18, 2010, 08:11:18 am
EDIT: Here we go: ARGH now I timed out! Third time's the charm I guess.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 18, 2010, 08:48:44 am
The best way to get in the game is to just hop on a friendly server where you have some friends and play the game. Join the DFC group.And to this extent I would advise not playing on the DFC server. As cool as we are I think some people there are too skilled to let a new guy get introduced without tearing out his hair.
Post by: Toady Two on May 18, 2010, 10:09:05 am
It will help you learn the basics of playing Engineer. Once you know all this you are basically pro at the class. Medic is also easy for beginners to be useful.
The other videos from this series(pyro, scout, spy) are slightly outdated because of all the class updates and new weapons. Engy is still go old Engy though.
Post by: Sowelu on May 18, 2010, 10:41:49 am
After you have a sense of what you're actually supposed to DO in the maps, have some fun with soldier and heavy as they're easy enough to get used to, just point and click. Engineer is easier to learn in some maps than others, because there's often certain places for guns that really suck.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 18, 2010, 12:48:32 pm
Post by: LASD on May 18, 2010, 12:51:18 pm
I just picked this game up (yeah, a little late) from Steam. Anything I should know? Guess I should practice some maps with bots or something to get an idea of what I'm doing. And figure out where all the stuff is. I'll be steamrolled enough the way it is for being a new player in a game this old.
Having crazy performance problems with 26 or 28 bots shooting at each other, which is concerning. My machine is no beast, but I expected to easily run this on mid-low settings. It defaulted to all "High" as recommended for my machine, but putting everything on ultra-low makes no difference. Any-who, once I figure that out, I'll give this a shot with Real PeopleTM.
Oh, and I do like bigger fights. The more people, the more fun for me. What's the average number of players in each match?
I kind of want to go engineer, too. That a bad choice?
Yeah, don't worry about the bot performance, a serverful of simulated eyesight, virtual mousepads and complex AI brings any computer to it's proverbial knees.
Learning the maps is really important at start. Pay close attention to sideroutes and the placement of ammo and health packs. With the thirtysomething official maps we have now, learning all of them seems like a pretty daunting task, but after figuring out the most played ones (2fort, dustbowl, badwater, gravelpit, goldrush and granary) it becomes easier. You might want to try a server that has one of those going 24/7 as playing the game is more fun when you know where everything is.
The average player count is 24 and I think that's the amount the game is balanced for. The 32 player servers seem a bit crowded on some maps, but that can be fun too.
The engineer isn't the first class you want to play on a new map as it relies so much on knowing where your buildings are effective. I suggest playing a couple rounds on other classes to figure out where the ammo and frontlines are. Also, watching other engis and seeing where they place their stuff helps of course. The engi update will be interesting for you as it will give you definite goals in the form of achievements and make alternative playstyles easier through the new unlocks.
Welcome to the world of TF2! Hope you have loads of fun. I kind of wish I could start fresh and learn everything about the game again, but amazingly enough, after 1½ years of playing, there's still a lot of new things coming to achieve and adapt to.
Post by: kg333 on May 18, 2010, 05:01:41 pm
Medic is one of the best classes to learn with IMO. It's actually a lot of fun too. Just stick by the big guys and heal them, and hey, you'll figure out where they go and how they kill people and how not to get killed (plus you'll be around a corner a lot of the time so YOU won't get killed as often).
After you have a sense of what you're actually supposed to DO in the maps, have some fun with soldier and heavy as they're easy enough to get used to, just point and click. Engineer is easier to learn in some maps than others, because there's often certain places for guns that really suck.
I'd recommend this. It's pretty hard to be disliked by your team as medic, and you get to do a lot of watching of more experienced players to see how they play, while still being an asset to your team.
KG
Post by: ToonyMan on May 18, 2010, 05:02:52 pm
I'm slightly excited.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 18, 2010, 05:06:20 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 18, 2010, 05:11:48 pm
Post by: Org on May 18, 2010, 05:17:22 pm
SPECULATION ABOUND.
I heard it might be a robot, or the mallet.
Post by: Zai on May 18, 2010, 05:18:03 pm
I'm seeing less than a week right now.Is what I say.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 18, 2010, 05:19:08 pm
ENGY UPDATE?
SPECULATION ABOUND.
I heard it might be a robot, or the mallet.
Those appear to be the two top choices.
Post by: Org on May 18, 2010, 05:20:17 pm
Or the blow torch.ENGY UPDATE?
SPECULATION ABOUND.
I heard it might be a robot, or the mallet.
Those appear to be the two top choices.
So, I am getting on soon. On my Pc.
Username=Org.
So, invite and request or stuff.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 18, 2010, 05:33:13 pm
Speculation abound.
Post by: dragnar on May 18, 2010, 05:47:36 pm
THe engineer will also get a killtaunt.He takes out an ark-welder, laughs maniacally, then stabs someone with it.
Speculation abound.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 18, 2010, 06:02:49 pm
Post by: LASD on May 18, 2010, 06:05:24 pm
All I can tell you about this next procedure is that it will be excruciating. (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3835&p=1)You beat me to it! Anyway, we'll see if this update will wipe the tears off the pyro players eyes or extract every last drop of them.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 18, 2010, 06:48:15 pm
Post by: Volatar on May 18, 2010, 06:54:10 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 18, 2010, 07:01:48 pm
I hope they fix the Pyro >:(
If they just made afterburn last the same length as it did before, I'd consider it a good deal.
BUTHASSME
Post by: returntonull on May 18, 2010, 07:15:03 pm
I just picked this game up (yeah, a little late) from Steam. Anything I should know? Guess I should practice some maps with bots or something to get an idea of what I'm doing. And figure out where all the stuff is. I'll be steamrolled enough the way it is for being a new player in a game this old.
Having crazy performance problems with 26 or 28 bots shooting at each other, which is concerning. My machine is no beast, but I expected to easily run this on mid-low settings. It defaulted to all "High" as recommended for my machine, but putting everything on ultra-low makes no difference. Any-who, once I figure that out, I'll give this a shot with Real PeopleTM.
Oh, and I do like bigger fights. The more people, the more fun for me. What's the average number of players in each match?
I kind of want to go engineer, too. That a bad choice?
Really just jumping in is as good as anything. If you've played any FPSes at all you'll already ahead of 50% of the people (or so it seems to be) playing. Even with a two(?) year old game I'm constantly being brought to tears by how bad people (with their 50 hours a week of playing) still are.
Post by: The Doctor on May 18, 2010, 07:15:25 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 18, 2010, 07:34:47 pm
Also, what's with the downloads in the fancy VS nasty update? Do I need to unlock/craft the weapon anyway if I download it, or does it start off unlocked? Is it in the normal game circulation at this time?
Edit: Oh, is it just a skin update right now?
Post by: Jreengus on May 18, 2010, 07:40:27 pm
What exactly did they change with the pyro?They are fan made reskins. And the reduced the pyros afterburn length and damage as well as his flamethrower damage. They also accidentally reduced backburner damage by 4%. They reduced airblast cost to 20% and reduced the delay between blasts.
Also, what's with the downloads in the fancy VS nasty update? Do I need to unlock/craft the weapon anyway if I download it, or does it start off unlocked? Is it in the normal game circulation at this time?
Edit: Oh, is it just a skin update right now
Post by: Sensei on May 18, 2010, 07:41:56 pm
Post by: Collic on May 18, 2010, 07:57:51 pm
We'll see though, I think they're still working on it.
Post by: Siquo on May 19, 2010, 02:40:27 am
Quote
We received a bunch of useful feedback after the last update
Euphemisms abound...
What they meant was "hatemail, death threats, dead horseheads in our beds signed 'the pyro', and a thank-you card from the other classes".
Post by: Toady Two on May 19, 2010, 03:01:30 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 19, 2010, 03:15:35 am
Post by: Sowelu on May 19, 2010, 03:17:34 am
I think the pyro damage and afterburn changes are perfectly fine myself. However, the reduction in the airblast cooldown and cost mean they're now a lot harder to deal with as a soldier or demo. I'm not sure, perhaps this balances out, but its a tad irksome to me at the moment as those are the classes I play more than any other. I'd like them to dial back the airblast buff just a tad. The addition of deflection mini-crits I don't have a problem with.
We'll see though, I think they're still working on it.
If they're airblasting your rockets, then close in to a shorter range. Tee hee. Yeah, pyro vs. soldier can be a pretty interesting matchup, and it gets pretty bloody. Juggling or point-blank rockets are a pretty good bet, and of course surprise doesn't hurt. Or, you know, good old shotgun.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 19, 2010, 03:42:16 am
Who needs shotgun when you have gunboats?
Post by: Siquo on May 19, 2010, 05:27:03 am
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on May 19, 2010, 05:37:31 am
Yeah, what Duke said. Also, pipes still fire faster than airblasts, a demo can easily out-fire a pyro.But can he out-fire boooollet?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 19, 2010, 09:48:37 am
"We have buffed the Pyro with increased intelligence and tact. This causes bullets being fired at him to start to veer away due to his intelligenting them away."Yeah, what Duke said. Also, pipes still fire faster than airblasts, a demo can easily out-fire a pyro.But can he out-fire boooollet?
The pyro shall now outsmart boolet.
Post by: Collic on May 19, 2010, 10:43:10 am
edit: If i'm honest i still miss the days when pyros were nade juggling practice though. Nothing like live fire practice heh
Post by: Evilgrim on May 19, 2010, 10:48:23 am
I have recently obtained TF2! Huzzah!
Anyway, after spending some time with my friends on a server, I have discovered that my favourite class is..
Ze Medic!
I really do like this game, and I don't understand how I can ever go back to console gaming now..
[I've always loved the PC but the FPS's.. They felt like they were missing something.. Hrmm.. To me at least.]
But TF2 is just.. Great..
And I've been looking at the Fancy Vs Nasty [fake] update, and I was wondering.. How would I go about obtaining the marvellous Detective Noir?
I've downloaded it to replace my selected hat.. But then what?
Post by: Collic on May 19, 2010, 10:51:46 am
EDIT: I just grabbed it myself and looking at it all you need to do is unrar it (winrar is available from http://www.rarlabs.com if you don't already have it) to: Steam\steamapps\[username]\team fortress 2\tf. Let it overwrite any files and it should work fine. Test it out by creating a server before you go online with it ,because as i said, server settings may stop it from displaying even if it is correctly installed.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 19, 2010, 11:05:55 am
Meet the Psychic Pyro?"We have buffed the Pyro with increased intelligence and tact. This causes bullets being fired at him to start to veer away due to his intelligenting them away."Yeah, what Duke said. Also, pipes still fire faster than airblasts, a demo can easily out-fire a pyro.But can he out-fire boooollet?
The pyro shall now outsmart boolet.
Post by: Collic on May 19, 2010, 11:07:55 am
Meet the Psychic Pyro?"We have buffed the Pyro with increased intelligence and tact. This causes bullets being fired at him to start to veer away due to his intelligenting them away."Yeah, what Duke said. Also, pipes still fire faster than airblasts, a demo can easily out-fire a pyro.But can he out-fire boooollet?
The pyro shall now outsmart boolet.
hudda hudda hudda ?
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 19, 2010, 11:10:35 am
HUDDAH HUDAAAAAAAAHH! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6tPHc4JuV4) (Warning: Metal Gear Solid 2 spoilers for those who still haven't played through it)Meet the Psychic Pyro?"We have buffed the Pyro with increased intelligence and tact. This causes bullets being fired at him to start to veer away due to his intelligenting them away."Yeah, what Duke said. Also, pipes still fire faster than airblasts, a demo can easily out-fire a pyro.But can he out-fire boooollet?
The pyro shall now outsmart boolet.
hudda hudda hudda ?
Post by: Zai on May 19, 2010, 05:56:04 pm
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Flamethrower changes
-Increased base damage 10%
-Afterburn duration increased (from 6 to 10)
-Flares that hit a burning player at mid-to-long range will crit
-Reduced Backburner damage bonus from 20% to 15%
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 19, 2010, 05:57:25 pm
- Fixed a case where the Spy could start taunting and cloak at the same time
I hate you Valve, I hate you I hate you I ha-
- Flamethrower changes
- Increased base damage 10%
- Afterburn duration increased (from 6 to 10)
I Love you Valve!
- Flares that hit a burning player at mid-to-long range will crit
Ok.
- Reduced Backburner damage bonus from 20% to 15%
Sounds good...
EDIT but not really edit: Damn ninja...
Post by: Eduren on May 19, 2010, 05:57:38 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 19, 2010, 05:57:52 pm
Overall, People should be happy about this.
Post by: Sensei on May 19, 2010, 05:58:58 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 19, 2010, 06:04:55 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 19, 2010, 06:06:06 pm
Didn't the flare gun already fully crit on burning people? Or was it minicrits?
neither?
Post by: Sensei on May 19, 2010, 06:06:24 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 19, 2010, 06:08:50 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 19, 2010, 06:09:46 pm
It did at least minicrits. I know this from having used it alot. I'll have to experiment with it again.
Maybe on your server?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 19, 2010, 06:11:19 pm
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Flares inflict Mini-crit damage on burning targets at short range. Crit damage occurs on burning targets at medium-long range.
Post by: The Doctor on May 19, 2010, 06:21:02 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 19, 2010, 06:25:26 pm
Yep, it used to minicrit burning people all the timeIndeed, it was one of the few ways it was useful. I remember the update where that was changed. They bumped down the damage and gave it minicrits on burning people to reward repeated hits.
Post by: Strange guy on May 19, 2010, 06:39:59 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 19, 2010, 06:57:21 pm
One thing the [bay12] community didn't notice was that the pyro's point-blank range got decreased by about 30%, which caused most of the 'low damage' perception from regular pyro users and reason why I didn't notice much of a difference on the pyro. I don't flame people unless:
a. Point blank
b. Setting them up for an AB and combo.
c. Desperate and trying to run away.
Post by: Zai on May 19, 2010, 07:43:15 pm
As a Solly and Demo, and every other class (the 3 named are my main 3 for now, though), I'll have to play to see if I like the change.
Post by: Volatar on May 19, 2010, 07:55:42 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 19, 2010, 08:00:05 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 19, 2010, 08:21:49 pm
I'm glad afterburn was restored, though I'd like a new more skill based mechanic, ie damage or burn time is based on how long you burned the enemy for or something like that, so its less annoying if you are barely touched and lethal if you were badly burned.
Nah! Like, the (original) whole POINT of pyros was to burst into a big group of enemies and set them all on fire, sending them scurrying for medics or water or health. Also, if keeping your flamethrower on someone longer = more damage, people who previously won a fight and still had a chance to survive if they got aid quickly, are now so hosed that it doesn't matter...Pyrrhic victory. Pyrrhic victories are no fun for either side; the pyro doesn't get the satisfaction of killing him on the spot, and the dead person is annoyed that his victory didn't save his life.
Post by: Sensei on May 19, 2010, 08:26:54 pm
Post by: Metalax on May 19, 2010, 08:36:10 pm
From the brief play I've had since the update came out it now feels much better balanced, though the new faster heavies are still pretty difficult to take out.
Post by: SeaBee on May 19, 2010, 08:57:41 pm
Game does look fun. The "Meet the [class]" videos and this thread got me to open my wallet.
Now, back to the Pyro discussion.
Post by: Sensei on May 19, 2010, 09:13:03 pm
Not sure if that's a terribly bad thing, but I daresay it's funny to think that the OTHER W+M1 class got a buff against the one people were complaining about. :)
Post by: Bandages on May 19, 2010, 09:15:06 pm
Post by: Org on May 19, 2010, 09:19:06 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 19, 2010, 09:19:13 pm
It was kinda refreshing never seeing pyros around. AH WELL.huh? All servers I went to they had the normal number of pyros and they were topping the charts.
You guys gotta go to more challenging places. :(
Post by: Bandages on May 19, 2010, 09:21:09 pm
It was kinda refreshing never seeing pyros around. AH WELL.huh? All servers I went to they had the normal number of pyros and they were topping the charts.
You guys gotta go to more challenging places. :(
Stop looking down on people. It's obnoxious.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 19, 2010, 09:22:42 pm
Post by: Sowelu on May 19, 2010, 09:25:14 pm
Why are there no meet the pyro/medic videos?
They haven't been made yet. Valve has a habit of releasing videos slowly over time, actually, often coinciding with big updates.
...And there's widespread speculation that the Pyro is actually a girl, due to the purse in 'her' locker. Or, you could take the more obvious joke and just say that 'he' is flaming. Either way, people want badly to know. And so they don't tell us! Heck, they've teased at the Pyro gender thing before, referring to Pyro as a she in a news update, and then changing the text five minutes later just to screw with people.
Post by: Bandages on May 19, 2010, 09:26:43 pm
Why are there no meet the pyro/medic videos?
They haven't been made yet. Valve has a habit of releasing videos slowly over time, actually, often coinciding with big updates.
...And there's widespread speculation that the Pyro is actually a girl, due to the purse in 'her' locker. Or, you could take the more obvious joke and just say that 'he' is flaming. Either way, people want badly to know. And so they don't tell us! Heck, they've teased at the Pyro gender thing before, referring to Pyro as a she in a news update, and then changing the text five minutes later just to screw with people.
And it would be much needed diversity!
Post by: Soulwynd on May 19, 2010, 09:29:11 pm
Not looking down on them. The server you pick makes a huge difference on your gameplay experience.It was kinda refreshing never seeing pyros around. AH WELL.huh? All servers I went to they had the normal number of pyros and they were topping the charts.
You guys gotta go to more challenging places. :(
Stop looking down on people. It's obnoxious.
It's not that they require less challenging places, is that places with good players are usually more fun, both in terms of challenge and having a nice team to back you up. I'm an average player, btw. Competitive players often find the servers I think are challenging pub servers to be too easy or too messy.
Post by: Eduren on May 19, 2010, 09:29:50 pm
Why are there no meet the pyro/medic videos?Valve hates us. They would rather make hats than videos.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 19, 2010, 09:29:57 pm
But yeah, there is also a bit of a rumor about the medic video and how the voice actor they had for the Medic left after doing the voicework we hear today. Thus without the voice actor they could not make the Meet the Medic video.
Post by: Bandages on May 19, 2010, 09:33:33 pm
Not looking down on them. The server you pick makes a huge difference on your gameplay experience.
It's not that they require less challenging places, is that places with good players are usually more fun, both in terms of challenge and having a nice team to back you up. I'm an average player, btw. Competitive players often find the servers I think are challenging pub servers to be too easy or too messy.
Ah. Sorry for being snappy, I'm in a bit of a shit mood. I do see your point, though. There are many players of different skill on my server. Some days I make all the other snipers change class because I dominate them all because they are scrubs (fun) and some days I get killed so much that I myself change classes to try and get a revenge kill on the bastard who keeps shooting me in the face (also fun!).
I would sometimes like a team a little better than the absolute morons that I usually get :p
@Duke 2.0: Why? Why what? why do they need more diversity? Because if they don't have any wimmins the game is SEXIST!
Post by: Eduren on May 19, 2010, 09:34:36 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 19, 2010, 09:40:00 pm
I thought that rumor was unsubstantiated?It makes sense why Valve would not have a video for the Medic yet. I'll just take it 'till something else pops up.
@Duke 2.0: Why? Why what? why do they need more diversity? Because if they don't have any wimmins the game is SEXIST!Generally adding diversity for the sake of diversity is a terrible idea. You add diversity to keep something interesting. When you can honestly tell me that Team Fortress 2 is boring in its media then I'll accept some diversity to spice things up. Otherwise it is just there for the sake of being there and not for the sake of humor, narrative or any other much more important things.
Post by: Bandages on May 19, 2010, 09:41:11 pm
Post by: Eduren on May 19, 2010, 09:51:34 pm
I don't know. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1231071&page=1) The steam forums aren't exactly a bastion of information (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1164906), but that was all a quick google search found.I thought that rumor was unsubstantiated?It makes sense why Valve would not have a video for the Medic yet. I'll just take it 'till something else pops up.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 19, 2010, 10:03:41 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on May 19, 2010, 10:16:28 pm
WAH PYROS ARE UNBALANCORXD NERF PRYO PLOXThey actually seem ridiculously better.
Post by: LASD on May 20, 2010, 02:12:20 am
Slight derail (again) -- thanks for all the tips a few pages back. I'll jump into some pub matches later this week with a soldier and learn the game/maps, then I might join you guys and let you all kill me. Once I'm not complete newbie fodder, that is.I think these derails are completely acceptable as they're still about TF2. I must say it's pretty refreshing to have some non-pyro-related conversation going on too.
Game does look fun. The "Meet the [class]" videos and this thread got me to open my wallet.
Now, back to the Pyro discussion.
I'm trying to remember how I got over the starting hurdle of having no idea what was going on and dying a lot. I think I started playing medic and after a while noticed I was actually getting something done and had a decent amount of points. It's great how the game isn't just shooty-shooty-boom-blast as I hadn't played any FPS games before and it needed rather a lot of getting used to.
Post by: Sowelu on May 20, 2010, 03:10:31 am
I thought that rumor was unsubstantiated?It makes sense why Valve would not have a video for the Medic yet. I'll just take it 'till something else pops up.
They don't have Meet the Pyro, either. So unless they lost the absolutely irreplaceable Pyro voice actor too, this explanation kind of...falls flat.
Besides, Meet the Spy took an awful long time to come out, too, if you think about it.
The TF2 team is reduced in size and time commitment now that the game's been around a while, which is totally cool with me. I can't expect them to make big fancy trailers like those, when they've got stuff like L4D to work on.
Post by: Siquo on May 20, 2010, 04:41:32 am
Vs heavies, use an airblast combo and/or run in circles.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 20, 2010, 05:26:13 am
Post by: Myroc on May 20, 2010, 05:34:07 am
Post by: Siquo on May 20, 2010, 06:25:23 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 20, 2010, 07:15:22 am
Doesn't work as well now that spinning up doesn't actually slow them substantially, but if you're lucky they'll wait a few seconds for you to attack then just break out a Sandvich.
Post by: Siquo on May 20, 2010, 07:50:02 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 20, 2010, 07:55:43 am
Post by: Simmura McCrea on May 20, 2010, 08:45:00 am
10 Run in
20 Throw fire everywhere
30 Die
40 Go to 10
This is usually over the space of < 60 seconds. Anyone got some advice for a semi-newbie?
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 20, 2010, 08:53:41 am
Your effectiveness becomes explosive rapidly in a way most classes cannot dream of when you get a surprise attack now that fire damage is fixed.
Axtinguisher is good but not always necessary.
Learn to use airburst to manage your enemies in engagements.
Post by: Volatar on May 20, 2010, 08:56:42 am
Post by: Greiger on May 20, 2010, 09:18:13 am
I was pyro and airblasted the sentries rockets back at it while the engi was away. It worked surprisingly well It went down in 2 reflects. Though after the first one the other guy on my team began shooting it too, so I can't be certain how many it would actually require. It was funny, the last reflect managed to hit the engie on his way back to try to save his sentry as well, killing him.
It earned a "lol" response.
P.S. I had also discovered that game that the buff banner causes sentries in the area to minicrit as well.
Post by: Toady Two on May 20, 2010, 09:28:09 am
Looks like I'll be switching back from Backburner/Shotty/Homewrecker to Flamethrower/Flare Gun/Homewrecker.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 20, 2010, 09:32:15 am
(if you're monstrously good, soldiers and demomen may be hesitant to attack you).With competent soldiers and demomen, this is always the case. They know how to fire their rockets off at rates that trip you up, so unless you have the reflexes to dodge a bullet and the ping to see a rocket within the half-frame it takes to hit you at close rnage you rely on 'feeling' when the opponent will fire a rocket at you.
Also, Buff Banner only boosts sentries when the banner influences the engineer. Just on the sentry does nothing. You can boost an engineer in the spawn who has a snetry out there and the sentry will recieve the boost.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 20, 2010, 09:38:37 am
(if you're monstrously good, soldiers and demomen may be hesitant to attack you).With competent soldiers and demomen, this is always the case. They know how to fire their rockets off at rates that trip you up, so unless you have the reflexes to dodge a bullet and the ping to see a rocket within the half-frame it takes to hit you at close rnage you rely on 'feeling' when the opponent will fire a rocket at you.
Also, Buff Banner only boosts sentries when the banner influences the engineer. Just on the sentry does nothing. You can boost an engineer in the spawn who has a snetry out there and the sentry will recieve the boost.
I mean hesitant to engage you at all; good soldiers will usually pull their shotty (afterburn improvement made Equalizer no longer an automatic win vs. Pyros) and good demomen will use stickies if they have the space.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 20, 2010, 09:41:20 am
Also, pyros that can reflect flares. What the hell?
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 20, 2010, 09:43:43 am
Pyros that reflect flares/huntsman arrows/etc. are insane, but hitting with them is easy 'cause their hit areas are the size of a large truck.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 20, 2010, 09:46:16 am
Y'know what's most fun? Airblasting a sniper JUST as he throws his Jarate to put himself out, he kills HIMSELF with his own piss and the afterburn.
I have done that twice, and both times it was satisfying.
Post by: The Doctor on May 20, 2010, 02:15:59 pm
Post by: Zai on May 20, 2010, 04:22:42 pm
Also, pyros that can reflect flares. What the hell?Sending flares back and forth is all people do in the beginning of a round of Dodgeball, especially before players can move (Dodgeball maps are open). Reflecting flares is not too hard to get used to doing. Reflecting Huntsman arrows is more difficult, though.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 20, 2010, 04:26:33 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 20, 2010, 04:29:54 pm
Post by: Org on May 20, 2010, 04:38:20 pm
Fancy/Nasty day 4.
Post by: Org on May 20, 2010, 04:41:14 pm
I just download it and what.
Post by: fenrif on May 20, 2010, 04:50:42 pm
Is there any reason why these fancy/nasty things aren't in the community items thing? Seems like this is pretty much exactly what that system was set up for... I wouldn't mind using them, but I don't really wanna replace any of my other stuff.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 20, 2010, 04:53:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 20, 2010, 04:59:59 pm
I think they are just skins. I think.
^This^
Post by: Mr.Person on May 20, 2010, 05:00:48 pm
Post by: Org on May 20, 2010, 05:17:26 pm
As in, getting rid of?
Post by: Mr.Person on May 20, 2010, 05:20:20 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on May 20, 2010, 05:23:36 pm
They could be Engiweapons for all we know, or a set of community unlocks.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 20, 2010, 05:30:03 pm
Some of them are weapons, but some of them are hats.
Post by: Sagabal on May 20, 2010, 07:39:38 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 20, 2010, 07:47:19 pm
The hats do, though.
Post by: Zai on May 20, 2010, 07:48:09 pm
Demoman got an axe that does more damage but makes him move slower. Sniper got a wooden kukri that doesn't do much damage but makes the enemy bleed. Everyone got a hat. Also, medic got "ze goggles" which have the description of "nothing" :DSource?
[EDIT:] Never mind.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 20, 2010, 07:48:46 pm
Pyroisadude.
Post by: Sensei on May 20, 2010, 07:48:59 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 20, 2010, 07:49:43 pm
Aren't they just supposed to replace existing models?
Well I have the items they are supposed to replace and they don't :/
Hats do, weapons don't.
Grrrr.
Post by: Zai on May 20, 2010, 07:54:00 pm
New pyro item Whiskered Gentleman, a monocle.Confirms nothing. It's just the name of the hat.
Pyroisadude.
[EDIT:] TF2 Stats' All Items page includes new stuff. (http://tf2stats.net/all_items) New stuff is near the bottom, above the crafting items.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 20, 2010, 07:57:14 pm
About as good a reason as any evidence towards Pyro being a girl.New pyro item Whiskered Gentleman, a monocle.Confirms nothing. It's just the name of the hat.
Pyroisadude.
Post by: Bandages on May 20, 2010, 08:04:26 pm
About as good a reason as any evidence towards Pyro being a girl.New pyro item Whiskered Gentleman, a monocle.Confirms nothing. It's just the name of the hat.
Pyroisadude.
And another hat of his is a fancy lady's dinner hat. EET PROOFS NUSSING!
Post by: Greiger on May 20, 2010, 08:10:41 pm
The pyro is either:
1)A robot
2)An alien (my money is on sectoid or reticulan)
3)A crossdresser
4)A transvestite
5)A hermaphrodite
6)A golem of living flame.
7)A large number of small furry mammals in a suit.
8)One of those "3rd gender" things from enterprise.
9)Something we well never know because valve will never tell us.
My bet is on 9. With a small side bet on 3 and 7.
Post by: Zai on May 20, 2010, 08:12:02 pm
The answer:You're right!
The pyro is:
6)A golem of living flame.
9)Something we well never know because valve will never tell us.
Post by: Bandages on May 20, 2010, 08:13:35 pm
Aren't they just supposed to replace existing models?
Well I have the items they are supposed to replace and they don't :/
Hats do, weapons don't.
Grrrr.
Still kneed help, pl0rx
Post by: The Doctor on May 20, 2010, 08:24:23 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 20, 2010, 08:30:34 pm
Post by: Volatar on May 20, 2010, 08:45:12 pm
Post by: The Doctor on May 20, 2010, 08:46:11 pm
steam/steamapps/<username>/Team Fortess 2/tf
Load them up into there.
Post by: Volatar on May 20, 2010, 08:51:23 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 20, 2010, 08:54:33 pm
Post by: The Doctor on May 20, 2010, 08:58:29 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 20, 2010, 08:59:07 pm
Post by: Zai on May 20, 2010, 10:28:55 pm
Jarate and Axetinguisher for the Demo's axe, I think the ingredients were, and Dead Ringer and the Huntsman for the sniper's Shiv.
Post by: Bandages on May 20, 2010, 10:33:17 pm
The new weapons have special craft recipes already.
Jarate and Axetinguisher for the Demo's axe, I think the ingredients were, and Dead Ringer and the Huntsman for the sniper's Shiv.
Oh nice, I gots me a new shiv! :D
Two questions: If you swap hats in the fancy/nasty update, will others be able to see your new model or is it only people with it themselves? Or just you?
Still no new weapon models. Everything's where it should be. System restart does nothing.
Post by: Sowelu on May 20, 2010, 10:34:30 pm
Bandages: Only you can see the replacement--and you see it replaced on other people, too, if they use the hat you replaced.
Post by: Bandages on May 20, 2010, 11:13:59 pm
The demo's axe does seem like the most useless thing ever--the only real fundamental improvement is that it can two-hit an engineer instead of taking three hits.
Bandages: Only you can see the replacement--and you see it replaced on other people, too, if they use the hat you replaced.
It's a secret to me, then. Funsies.
Also, the demo's axe is beyond worthless. Even targechargin' it, a sword with a crit is still enough to end most characters.. and the 20% slow is just... why?
Post by: Toady Two on May 21, 2010, 02:49:48 am
I find it somewhat puzzling the its the demo that gets a new weapon melee weapon three updates in a row.
I wonder if there are crafting recipes for the new items yet?
Post by: LASD on May 21, 2010, 02:53:14 am
Also, the demo's axe is beyond worthless. Even targechargin' it, a sword with a crit is still enough to end most characters.. and the 20% slow is just... why?But it looks so cool! Like most of the things in the update. What beats me is why doesn't Valve list these community updates as "Major Updates", as they are bigger than the 119th update.
One thing about this avalanche of hats that slightly bugs me is that there's a good chance you'll never get even one of a given update. I can't see no harm of Valve giving a random hat to everyone that has say, less than three non-event related hats. Idlers don't benefit and other people are happier. Though I guess newbies aren't meant have hats or something.
EDIT: Oh yeah, point on the "monocle makes pyro a guy"-thing. If you look at the model when it's on, you'll notice the monocle, beard and 'stache are all tacked on with tape. So it just might be a devious plan of the Pyro to conceal his true identity.
Post by: returntonull on May 21, 2010, 03:53:35 am
I wonder if there are crafting recipes for the new items yet?
Huntsman + Deadringer = Tribalman Shiv
Jarate + Axtinguisher = Scotsman's Skullcrusher
I need a Deadringer so baaaad. I want that shiv. Want it so bad.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 21, 2010, 03:57:53 am
Same, except I need a spare huntsman.I wonder if there are crafting recipes for the new items yet?
Huntsman + Deadringer = Tribalman Shiv
Jarate + Axtinguisher = Scotsman's Skullcrusher
I need a Deadringer so baaaad. I want that shiv. Want it so bad.
Post by: Org on May 21, 2010, 05:53:06 am
Post by: Greiger on May 21, 2010, 09:06:03 am
Huntsman + Deadringer = Tribalman ShivSame, except I need a spare huntsman.
Jarate + Axtinguisher = Scotsman's Skullcrusher
I need a Deadringer so baaaad. I want that shiv. Want it so bad.
And that would be why I never delete stuff (and rarely craft into metal) I have 4 huntsman ans 3 dead ringers. MUAHAHA!!!!
Post by: Bandages on May 21, 2010, 09:18:48 am
That bleed damage really fucks people up.
Post by: dragnar on May 21, 2010, 10:49:23 am
Post by: PTTG?? on May 21, 2010, 11:17:30 am
At least I got the Grizzled Veteran badge.
Post by: Zai on May 21, 2010, 04:05:27 pm
I wonder if there are crafting recipes for the new items yet?...I posted them not but 4 posts above yours.
Post by: returntonull on May 21, 2010, 04:20:58 pm
I wonder if there are crafting recipes for the new items yet?...I posted them not but 4 posts above yours.
Need to avoid that inline formatting there. I missed it too.
Post by: Bandages on May 21, 2010, 06:40:45 pm
>:3
MELEE SNIPER IS GO
Post by: Sensei on May 21, 2010, 07:30:31 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 21, 2010, 07:34:08 pm
I have 85 hours and no hat...
200 hours and 1 hat.
The average is right around there.
Post by: Volatar on May 21, 2010, 07:43:17 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 21, 2010, 08:11:13 pm
That's it. I do have all the weapons though. Including a number of duplicates. Hell immediately after I crafted the homewrecker I got one as a random drop ON MY NEXT DEATH. Same map and everything. Then tonight I got the demo's axe while I was quietly lamenting about how I only had one axestinguisher and couldn't make it.
Not a single hat drop though.
Post by: Metalax on May 21, 2010, 09:06:33 pm
Post by: umiman on May 21, 2010, 09:09:34 pm
Post by: Zai on May 21, 2010, 09:53:02 pm
This just in: Jarate'd players take mini-crits from bleed damage.This makes forward-pushing Sniper a lot more viable then.
>:3
MELEE SNIPER IS GO
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 21, 2010, 09:55:20 pm
Sniper A:
Equipped with Huntsman, Jarate and Kukri
Sniper B:
Equipped with Huntsman, SMG and Shiv
Sniper A tosses Jarate and quickly retreats to a safe Huntsmanning-distance, while Sniper B jumps in with his Shiv and beats on the pissed-on enemies, while Sniper A gives cover fire.
Post by: The Doctor on May 21, 2010, 10:31:39 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 21, 2010, 10:33:38 pm
The Brigade Helm and the Prussian Pickelhaube.
I WANT the Brainslug and Pirate hat.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on May 21, 2010, 10:53:51 pm
I crafted it with a camera beard, and I got a Stainless Pot.
Post by: Bandages on May 21, 2010, 11:46:27 pm
Two classes I never play :/
Post by: Osmosis Jones on May 22, 2010, 12:00:11 am
Post by: MagmaDeath on May 22, 2010, 01:17:40 am
Post by: Ozyton on May 22, 2010, 01:19:22 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 22, 2010, 01:23:44 am
I've also got a camera beard, gibus, and grizzled veteran.
Crafting metal for a pyro hat, you know I'm aiming for the slug.
Post by: Cheeetar on May 22, 2010, 01:35:54 am
I think one of my friends wants me to play this game. I played with another friend a long time ago but just a while ago I fired the game up for the first time in... years maybe? Anyways, what the heck is all this... item stuff? Do they even do anything? How come it says I have 7 items yet I only have two when I look?
Items: The weapons you can use in combat to shoot things. The clothing you can wear to look awesome.
Post by: Ozyton on May 22, 2010, 01:40:29 am
Well, spaseeba, anyways =o
Now if only there was a way to disable non-essential character speech.
Post by: Sensei on May 22, 2010, 02:39:50 am
Post by: Eviltyphoon on May 22, 2010, 03:13:14 am
This one (http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Triboniophorus_Tyrannus)
Which is great, since it looks awesome and pyro is my second most played class.
Post by: LASD on May 22, 2010, 04:04:01 am
FYI I think you item count includes default items, which don't appear in the backpack.It also includes scrap metal, but if you Ozy haven't played in a long time, you probably don't have it. The 119th update medal is probably one of those though, and the halo too, now that I think of it.
Also, I love how a returning player comes to the thread and everyone is just talking about hats. Certainly reminded me of this blog post. (http://www.tf2.com/post.php?id=3692&p=1)
Post by: Dr. Johbson on May 22, 2010, 05:14:27 am
Post by: Myroc on May 22, 2010, 05:20:24 am
*Excluding the Ghastly Gibus
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 22, 2010, 05:49:59 am
Also assorted other crap, like a Gibbus and a Halo.
Post by: Strange guy on May 22, 2010, 06:04:30 am
Post by: Jakkarra on May 22, 2010, 07:21:42 am
I wonder where they came from.
Post by: Sowelu on May 22, 2010, 07:42:33 am
Post by: Jreengus on May 22, 2010, 08:01:23 am
Post by: Zai on May 22, 2010, 10:27:40 am
I got the heavy helmet and the soldier viking helm.Trade the Viking Helm to me? =D
Two classes I never play :/
Post by: Org on May 22, 2010, 10:29:47 am
Meh.
Made the Shiv and Skullcutter.
Skullcutter wins.
Post by: Sensei on May 22, 2010, 11:28:00 am
Wait wut? We can trade?I got the heavy helmet and the soldier viking helm.Trade the Viking Helm to me? =D
Two classes I never play :/
Post by: LASD on May 22, 2010, 11:59:21 am
Well, Valve set their goal to implement a trade system before the WAR! update, so it's probably still half a year away.Wait wut? We can trade?I got the heavy helmet and the soldier viking helm.Trade the Viking Helm to me? =D
Two classes I never play :/
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 22, 2010, 12:09:24 pm
Mind you they were working on Steam and Source Engine for the Mac, so that is a load they won't have to deal with now. So yeah, perhaps in a year now.Well, Valve set their goal to implement a trade system before the WAR! update, so it's probably still half a year away.Wait wut? We can trade?I got the heavy helmet and the soldier viking helm.Trade the Viking Helm to me? =D
Two classes I never play :/
Post by: Ozyton on May 22, 2010, 12:28:07 pm
FYI I think you item count includes default items, which don't appear in the backpack.It also includes scrap metal, but if you Ozy haven't played in a long time, you probably don't have it. The 119th update medal is probably one of those though, and the halo too, now that I think of it.
Also, I love how a returning player comes to the thread and everyone is just talking about hats. Certainly reminded me of this blog post. (http://www.tf2.com/post.php?id=3692&p=1)
Yes, the halo and the grizzled veteran medal (or whatever) is in there, but that accounts for 2 out of 7 objects. Considering what's been said the other 5 must be unlocked weapons or something, but I'm not sure I've unlocked -that- many guns...
Anyways, we have a server right? I might hop on just cause....
EDIT: I just looked and I have 5 non-standard weapons, so that must be it.
EDIT 2: I joined a server and it instantly gave me the 5 guns I already had, so at least they appear in the backpack now.
Post by: Bandages on May 22, 2010, 05:37:18 pm
I got the heavy helmet and the soldier viking helm.Trade the Viking Helm to me? =D
Two classes I never play :/
When trade becomes available, I would love to.
P.S. I've seen people with levels of basic weapons above 1. How do they get the levels higher and what does that higher level mean?
Post by: Volatar on May 22, 2010, 05:51:53 pm
P.S. I've seen people with levels of basic weapons above 1. How do they get the levels higher and what does that higher level mean?
Items randomly dropped with random levels for a short period a while ago. Though the numbers mean absolutely nothing, they are sort of collectors items now.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 22, 2010, 06:05:47 pm
High-five for anyone who has a Level 50+ LunchboxP.S. I've seen people with levels of basic weapons above 1. How do they get the levels higher and what does that higher level mean?
Items randomly dropped with random levels for a short period a while ago. Though the numbers mean absolutely nothing, they are sort of collectors items now.
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on May 22, 2010, 06:44:56 pm
Edit: Also is it just me or are these minor updates huge in size. My connection to steam, as it is through a university, is only 5kbps. I can hardly play anymore with these minor updates coming out every two or three days. I have to leave my computer on for half a week to actually update the game.
Post by: Someguyo on May 22, 2010, 07:11:03 pm
Myroc, actually, that's exactly how i got MY Pile of hat.
I wonder where they came from.
Probably the same thing that happened this recent update. A day-ish before the update arrived people got "Unknown Item #" in their backpacks. Which is probably what happened with you guys, and when the update came out it appeared without notice. But that's just a guess..
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on May 22, 2010, 07:21:23 pm
I've played maybe 30 hours, probably a total of 15 of those hours have been since hats existed on TF2. Got my first hat the Pyro's fireman hat the other day. Wheee.My internet at home is 5KB/s and I can't even connect to steam with it. :/
Edit: Also is it just me or are these minor updates huge in size. My connection to steam, as it is through a university, is only 5kbps. I can hardly play anymore with these minor updates coming out every two or three days. I have to leave my computer on for half a week to actually update the game.
Although, in the US at least, universities generally have absurdly fast internet. Even at a community college I got 2MB/s down over the wifi, and several times that on a landline.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 22, 2010, 07:34:52 pm
Myroc, actually, that's exactly how i got MY Pile of hat.
I wonder where they came from.
Probably the same thing that happened this recent update. A day-ish before the update arrived people got "Unknown Item #" in their backpacks. Which is probably what happened with you guys, and when the update came out it appeared without notice. But that's just a guess..
Got mine a month or so back, so that's out of the question.
Post by: Zai on May 22, 2010, 08:15:51 pm
High-five for anyone who has a Level 50+ LunchboxI have a Level 43 Lunchbox. Is that good enough?
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on May 22, 2010, 08:16:01 pm
I've played maybe 30 hours, probably a total of 15 of those hours have been since hats existed on TF2. Got my first hat the Pyro's fireman hat the other day. Wheee.My internet at home is 5KB/s and I can't even connect to steam with it. :/
Edit: Also is it just me or are these minor updates huge in size. My connection to steam, as it is through a university, is only 5kbps. I can hardly play anymore with these minor updates coming out every two or three days. I have to leave my computer on for half a week to actually update the game.
Although, in the US at least, universities generally have absurdly fast internet. Even at a community college I got 2MB/s down over the wifi, and several times that on a landline.
It's not so much that it is a slow internet connection, more that the university are shaping downloads from steam. Playing on servers is fine as they are not reduced in speed.
Post by: Sensei on May 22, 2010, 09:23:26 pm
No, you have to have a level 50 lunchbox equipped to beat the boss at the end of 2fort.High-five for anyone who has a Level 50+ LunchboxI have a Level 43 Lunchbox. Is that good enough?
Post by: dragnar on May 22, 2010, 09:26:25 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 22, 2010, 09:27:42 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 22, 2010, 09:32:50 pm
Really? So what is this boss? I'm guessing a level 3 sentry with sniper rifles instead of machine guns.They're +2 rifles. You should still be fine if your Heavy can take the aggro.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 22, 2010, 09:54:36 pm
Oh, I also forgot I have the professional's panama. Ballin' hat, but I'd much prefer the headband.
I will trade a Tyrant's Helm, Soldier's Stash, Modest Pile of Hat, or Towering Pillar of Hats for a Master's Yellow Belt when trading comes out.
Post by: Volatar on May 22, 2010, 10:42:52 pm
Really? So what is this boss? I'm guessing a level 3 sentry with sniper rifles instead of machine guns.
Do I get a medic buddy to take it down? ;)
Post by: Sensei on May 22, 2010, 10:43:39 pm
Well you shouldn't start if your group doesn't have a medic.Really? So what is this boss? I'm guessing a level 3 sentry with sniper rifles instead of machine guns.
Do I get a medic buddy to take it down? ;)
Post by: Volatar on May 22, 2010, 10:45:07 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 22, 2010, 10:51:17 pm
Just make sure you have a really good pyro around though, no matter how much healing you dump into your heavy he ain't gunna survive the quad crocket blasts. Yer pyro needs to be really good with the timing of his airblast to reflect them. If you have a REALLY good team yer guard dog will keep yer pyro and heavy supplied with ammo as well. You don't wanna have to break off the attacking for ammo with that sucker's hpregen.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 22, 2010, 11:31:17 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 22, 2010, 11:41:25 pm
Post by: dragnar on May 22, 2010, 11:45:30 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 22, 2010, 11:52:58 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 23, 2010, 01:12:55 am
Spies are generally useful on turret-based enemies but the engineer minions I mentioned can really wreck any spies that try for this battle. And while one could make a party around a demoman clearing the engineers to allow the spy to sap the sentry, it is generally a lot riskier than a heavy/medic engagement.
Note, that this is less of a problem with a higher level spy, although aggro more than one engi, and he's screwed too. And don't count out the Direct Hit build soldiers. While they're less effective in the AoE department, they're not nick-named sentry crackers for nothing.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 23, 2010, 01:23:26 am
Post by: Mr.Person on May 23, 2010, 03:41:56 am
Since you won't be bringing a Pyro, keep an eye out for the Spies that get summoned when you capture the first control point. Sometimes they literally appear behind you right after you get the point, sometimes they only show up while you're fighting the sentry. One of them is a Boss-Spy, he's the one with the Level 39 Noble Amassment of Hats and the Level 53 Dead Ringer. Luckily, he's using a laughably weak pair of a Level 21 Revolver and a Level 23 Knife, but that doesn't make him easy! It's very hard to keep him dead and he WILL backstab you if he gets the chance. It might be a good idea to farm him for awhile to get his mid-level Dead Ringer, they go for about 1 Refined, 2 Reclaimed on the open market. Don't bother trying to get his Amassment, there are easier places to get higher level Noble Amassments. If you get his Level 12 Camera Beard, nobody will pay you for that garbage. Just trade it with the NPC's to remake one of your other hats.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 23, 2010, 04:00:12 am
Post by: Sowelu on May 23, 2010, 05:23:30 am
Edit: Also is it just me or are these minor updates huge in size. My connection to steam, as it is through a university, is only 5kbps. I can hardly play anymore with these minor updates coming out every two or three days. I have to leave my computer on for half a week to actually update the game.
One of the last minor updates revised a couple of maps, which meant re-downloading those maps. Also, some new equippables. The maps thing probably won't be normal at least, so minor updates should be smaller.
Post by: Org on May 23, 2010, 10:51:47 am
Post by: The Doctor on May 23, 2010, 10:58:34 am
Post by: Simmura McCrea on May 23, 2010, 11:01:23 am
Post by: Jreengus on May 23, 2010, 11:01:47 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 23, 2010, 11:03:53 am
If that doesnt work, try "Tradanbattlan"
Post by: Greiger on May 23, 2010, 11:05:23 am
I do have a tendency to forget to respond to friends list invites. If I recognize the name I will eventually, I just don't poke around in that part of steam much.
Post by: Org on May 23, 2010, 11:05:34 am
OrgWhat.
Post by: Jreengus on May 23, 2010, 11:06:38 am
I'm you Org. We don't know it yet bet we are schizophrenic.OrgWhat.
Post by: Myroc on May 23, 2010, 11:08:45 am
Post by: Evilgrim on May 23, 2010, 11:20:59 am
"Evilgrimy"
Or "[Mar] Evilgrim" I'm not sure which sorry..
Post by: returntonull on May 23, 2010, 11:35:47 am
Post by: Toady Two on May 23, 2010, 12:12:05 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 23, 2010, 12:13:18 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on May 23, 2010, 01:30:01 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on May 23, 2010, 01:31:01 pm
Post by: dragnar on May 23, 2010, 01:52:13 pm
my username here was taken already...
Post by: Charmander on May 23, 2010, 02:08:46 pm
Post by: Zai on May 23, 2010, 02:30:02 pm
Post by: Org on May 23, 2010, 02:32:03 pm
And I will add a few of you.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 23, 2010, 02:42:25 pm
I got the Whiskered Gentleman.
And I will add a few of you.
Another misc item that complements the Ghastly Gibus
Post by: Eviltyphoon on May 23, 2010, 03:18:09 pm
Steam account name: Ev1ltyphoon
Post by: Org on May 23, 2010, 03:27:04 pm
Oh wow I didnt finish reading before I posted this, did I?
Post by: Evilgrim on May 23, 2010, 03:43:05 pm
And the Guard Dog's one..
Sure they're fake, but they're still great.
:D
Post by: Org on May 23, 2010, 04:33:16 pm
For now.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 23, 2010, 04:44:55 pm
Post by: Metalax on May 23, 2010, 05:19:42 pm
Post by: debvon on May 23, 2010, 05:43:27 pm
Post by: Deadbeard on May 23, 2010, 06:14:45 pm
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on May 23, 2010, 06:18:20 pm
Though I only play on NZ servers (ON3 network ones most notably). Anyone here who plays on such servers should add me.
Post by: Volatar on May 23, 2010, 08:06:04 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 23, 2010, 09:43:29 pm
Is this (http://www.teamfortress.com.br/engineerupdate/day01.html) real?
Oh wow I didnt finish reading before I posted this, did I?
There's another one, by the guard dog guy that's much cooler than that one.
Edit: http://manno.com.br/Engineer/ (http://manno.com.br/Engineer/)
Post by: Bandages on May 23, 2010, 10:11:10 pm
Is this (http://www.teamfortress.com.br/engineerupdate/day01.html) real?
Oh wow I didnt finish reading before I posted this, did I?
There's another one, by the guard dog guy that's much cooler than that one.
Edit: http://manno.com.br/Engineer/ (http://manno.com.br/Engineer/)
we NEED that dog class. NOW.
Post by: Zai on May 23, 2010, 10:21:28 pm
No. It wouldn't be too great in reality. I like there being only 9 classes.Is this (http://www.teamfortress.com.br/engineerupdate/day01.html) real?
Oh wow I didnt finish reading before I posted this, did I?
There's another one, by the guard dog guy that's much cooler than that one.
Edit: http://manno.com.br/Engineer/ (http://manno.com.br/Engineer/)
we NEED that dog class. NOW.
Post by: Eduren on May 23, 2010, 10:47:32 pm
I don't normally play on the DFC server because it is UK and has tweaked respawns.
Post by: Duuvian on May 23, 2010, 11:00:07 pm
Post by: LASD on May 24, 2010, 02:33:52 pm
EDIT: Still no news about the Engi Update, cool new stuff coming as always though. It'd be cool to know how to model.
Post by: Volatar on May 24, 2010, 02:44:13 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3861&p=1
Post by: Zai on May 24, 2010, 04:40:58 pm
Quote from: Polycount Contest Page
To maintain the Team Fortress 2 style and budget, here are some specs to guide you. The polygon budgets are not hard limits and use your best judgement for your items, based on these loose numbers.
Weapons
* 8,000 triangles
* 512 x 512 texture
Engineer buildings
* Dispenser:
o 10,000 triangles
o 512 x 512 texture
* Teleporter:
o 3000 triangles
o 512 x 512 texture
* Sentry Turrets
o 10,000 triangles
o 512 x 512 texture
Hats
* 800 triangles
* 256 x 256 textures
Useful for anybody wanting to make their own stuff to Contribute, not just for this contest.
I think I may actually attempt to take part in this. Probably just gonna make hats if I do anything, though.
I do find it interesting (some might say, a hint of a Valve schedule) that they included the poly counts for the Engy buildings, as I wouldn't expect Valve to release any Community Engy stuff (aside from hats of course) before they released their own Engy Update. Considering the contest deadline is June 28, my current expected release for the Engy update is by the end of June. Hopefully sooner than that, though. Or Valve is trying to use this and the Contribute page in general to come up with models/ideas for the Engy update. Which means we can expect the Engy update sometime in August.
Actually. Talking to Org about his quest for the Eyelander, I have realized that the Grenade Launcher was not replaced in the War! update or subsequent community updates. I think I may try to make something to replace that, which means I would have to come up with some kind of 'Nade replacement model, as well as limit myself to the Demo for my hats (3 things for one class). I'll have to think about that.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 24, 2010, 04:55:00 pm
Post by: dragnar on May 24, 2010, 04:56:47 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 24, 2010, 05:05:33 pm
Post by: Zai on May 24, 2010, 05:06:54 pm
Don't replace the Nade launcher, it;s the only thing typing him to being a "Demoman" now.Jakk, I don't think you get it. These models are for something akin to a Community update. Not a fully fledged new weapon like the Demo got in the War! update. One thing the Contest page said was that it should maintain the functionality of what it's replacing. So if Valve were to put whatever my attempt to make something to replace the 'Nade Launcher is into the game, it'd be far closer to the differences between the Flamethrower and Backburner than those between the Sticky Launcher and the Chargin' Targe. In other words, it would still be a Grenade Launcher in essence.
Post by: Eduren on May 24, 2010, 05:39:43 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 24, 2010, 06:07:53 pm
Awesome Equalizer re-skin. (http://www.steamapps.howto.cz/emporium/tf2/sgtplushie/)Someone needs to make that model possess a smaller copy of itself.
Post by: Zai on May 24, 2010, 06:48:36 pm
Awesome Equalizer re-skin. (http://www.steamapps.howto.cz/emporium/tf2/sgtplushie/)Heheh. Pretty nice.
Post by: Bandages on May 24, 2010, 07:28:54 pm
First, decapped 4 people as demoknight to get max hp/speed, then traded in my targe for Scottish Resistance and camped the main hall of TwoFort. 53 kills, 10k+ damage and over an hour and ten minutes alive. Shit was CRAZY. No one could kill me so I eventually just went out and fought till I died.
Post by: Greiger on May 24, 2010, 07:49:52 pm
It was on the 5 point cp map with the glass enclosed final capoint, 2nc cappoint on a spire and middle cappoint on a bridge. Unfortunately the mapname escapes me at the moment.
At any rate the enemy team had the middle point and were trying to push to my team's spire cappoint. I was chasing a spy, and went around to the side with the secondary spawn gate. Once I finally caught the spy I killed him with the shiv and found myself behind the enemy's lines. I was in the wooden building next to the downward slope in front of the spire. I figured I was too close to snipe effectively, and they were moving around too much fighting my team in front of them anyway.
So I channeled Leroy Jenkins and jumped out shiv swinging. The closest opponent to me died in 2 swings, a demoman, never saw me coming. Next I went to the two other snipers, since I was in front of them they were the most likely to see me. Fortunately they were both scoped in. Their razorbacks may protect them from backstabs, but it didn't do a thing against my shiv. The second one didn't even notice when the first died to a crit, and the second died in two swings before he even lowered his scope. Nobody else was coming so I ran forward and killed the medic and his heavy in the same fashion. Afterward, my team counterpushed and took the middle point almost uncontested.
People really need to pay more attention when they start hearing folks dying around them. I don't think I woulda' been able to do that on the DFC server.
Post by: Zai on May 24, 2010, 08:40:14 pm
Their razorbacks may protect them from backstabs, but it didn't do a thing against my shiv.Actually, that's a good point (like most points when referring to the Razorback). A possible buff for it (because right now it only counters one thing) would be for it to lower damage from all melee weapons until being stabbed in the back, at which point it does its normal thing.
Post by: Sensei on May 24, 2010, 09:11:13 pm
Post by: umiman on May 24, 2010, 09:51:51 pm
Awesome Equalizer re-skin. (http://www.steamapps.howto.cz/emporium/tf2/sgtplushie/)Ho wow, that's awesome...
Post by: Sowelu on May 25, 2010, 12:27:15 am
I'm pretty sure Valve would be doing touching up and LOTS of animation work on the winning models. Would be very surprised if the Polycount update came out before August.
...Would be slightly surprised if the Engineer update didn't come out by the end of this month.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 25, 2010, 03:09:10 am
But I know I wont get it. :'(
Post by: Jreengus on May 25, 2010, 09:26:56 am
Post by: PTTG?? on May 25, 2010, 10:02:04 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 25, 2010, 10:09:24 am
Post by: Thexor on May 25, 2010, 02:30:42 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on May 25, 2010, 02:49:06 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 25, 2010, 02:54:49 pm
Post by: dragnar on May 25, 2010, 02:57:04 pm
Spies will hate you forever also.Why? Unless you are a really pathetic spy snipers almost never know what hit em.
Post by: Greiger on May 25, 2010, 03:02:21 pm
The shiv's bleed effect makes sure that that one hit messes them up good. More often than not If I get a hit in with the shiv before going down, the one that killed me dies from the bleeding shortly after.
Post by: Bandages on May 25, 2010, 03:31:12 pm
I like the shiv because usually if I'm in melee range as a sniper I'm already in trouble. Often a single swing of the shiv is all that could be pulled off before you either die or get away to safety.
The shiv's bleed effect makes sure that that one hit messes them up good. More often than not If I get a hit in with the shiv before going down, the one that killed me dies from the bleeding shortly after.
Thees
Post by: Jakkarra on May 25, 2010, 05:03:36 pm
Or maybe that's just me, seeing as i go to melee duels as a Spy.
And win.
Post by: Nilocy on May 25, 2010, 06:15:00 pm
Me and a friend mucking about in gmod for 3 hours.
Post by: Zai on May 25, 2010, 09:11:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5YfnS2HoPretty neat.
Me and a friend mucking about in gmod for 3 hours.
Killcam pics of tonight's game on the DFC server, first two from Freight and last from Well:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[EDIT:] Surprise surprise! Saxton Hale update (http://two.xthost.info/saxtonhale/day01.html) for all!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 25, 2010, 10:15:47 pm
No, climbing gloves.
Basically any flat vertical surface would grant the pyro the ability to climb up it. If there is a flat ledge he can crawl onto it. Any obstructions will block his movement, so he can't climb past wall features, onto ceilings or across corners. The wall can have some curve and perhaps some small bumps can be avoided, but for the most part this means manmade walls and such. As such this ability is very limited when it comes to mobility. However, when it comes to ambushing things are a lot more open. He won't be able to fire when on a wall but as soon as he uses M1 to release from the wall he takes out his primary weapon and M2 for his melee weapon. The idea is the ability to hang over doorways and drop down to ambush foes who normally don't look up.
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 25, 2010, 10:29:25 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 25, 2010, 10:40:54 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 25, 2010, 10:52:23 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 25, 2010, 11:58:31 pm
I've been thinking. The Pyro is an ambush class. He has no tools to ambush aside from the innate talent of everybody with a physical body to hide behind a corner or stand over a ledge. Now the Demoman is good at setting up ambushes. He can stick sticky grenades anywhere he wants and use the places nobody looks to set traps. Such would be a good strategy for the Pyro. But allowing the Pyro access to anywhere is just insane. What, are you asking for him to have a compression blast jump?
No, climbing gloves.
Basically any flat vertical surface would grant the pyro the ability to climb up it. If there is a flat ledge he can crawl onto it. Any obstructions will block his movement, so he can't climb past wall features, onto ceilings or across corners. The wall can have some curve and perhaps some small bumps can be avoided, but for the most part this means manmade walls and such. As such this ability is very limited when it comes to mobility. However, when it comes to ambushing things are a lot more open. He won't be able to fire when on a wall but as soon as he uses M1 to release from the wall he takes out his primary weapon and M2 for his melee weapon. The idea is the ability to hang over doorways and drop down to ambush foes who normally don't look up.
There's actually some goofy mod, that gives the Pyro 'disguise-jutsu' which lets them hide inside a barrel. Highly amusing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbqwz6oja-s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbqwz6oja-s)
Post by: Myroc on May 26, 2010, 12:38:22 am
I've been thinking. The Pyro is an ambush class. He has no tools to ambush aside from the innate talent of everybody with a physical body to hide behind a corner or stand over a ledge. Now the Demoman is good at setting up ambushes. He can stick sticky grenades anywhere he wants and use the places nobody looks to set traps. Such would be a good strategy for the Pyro. But allowing the Pyro access to anywhere is just insane. What, are you asking for him to have a compression blast jump?
No, climbing gloves.
Basically any flat vertical surface would grant the pyro the ability to climb up it. If there is a flat ledge he can crawl onto it. Any obstructions will block his movement, so he can't climb past wall features, onto ceilings or across corners. The wall can have some curve and perhaps some small bumps can be avoided, but for the most part this means manmade walls and such. As such this ability is very limited when it comes to mobility. However, when it comes to ambushing things are a lot more open. He won't be able to fire when on a wall but as soon as he uses M1 to release from the wall he takes out his primary weapon and M2 for his melee weapon. The idea is the ability to hang over doorways and drop down to ambush foes who normally don't look up.
Interesting idea. I'd use it, if only occasionally since I love my shotgun.
Post by: Siquo on May 26, 2010, 03:34:27 am
The demo needs time to set up his ambush, and once it's set, it can't move. The pyro shouldn't ambush around corners, it should ambush from behind. Take a not-often-used side path, and get their medics in the back. ;D
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 26, 2010, 03:44:08 am
Idea!
Smoke grenade/smoke bomb. Make it happen. Holy shit.
Post by: Myroc on May 26, 2010, 04:07:51 am
!!!!!!This idea is awesome and you should feel awesome just for thinking of it.
Idea!
Smoke grenade/smoke bomb. Make it happen. Holy shit.
Post by: Siquo on May 26, 2010, 04:18:33 am
Post by: dragnar on May 26, 2010, 07:19:54 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 26, 2010, 07:56:41 am
But yeah, wallclimbing does open some alternate routes only vertical access classes could access, like soldier and demoman. Not every one as wallclimbing is a lot more limited in how many routes one can access, but it does increase the mobility in a small way. And it allows you to hit from behind when somebody walks out from under you.
But yeah, the Pyro does need some tool for being mobile. That is the only way people could take him seriously as a class. Either mobility or some method of sneaking up on a dude. The only ways I can see it happening are if they grant the Pyro some method of accessing alternate routes or grant him better awareness of what is going on. Both open up the possibilities of a skilled player finding the weak points in the enemies advance and take advantage of it by being able to position themself correctly.
Post by: Siquo on May 26, 2010, 08:10:10 am
Post by: Schilcote on May 26, 2010, 02:19:09 pm
Post by: Org on May 26, 2010, 02:22:05 pm
Post by: Zai on May 26, 2010, 07:58:12 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 26, 2010, 08:00:28 pm
Did you see that dispenser-looking thing with the satellite dish on it?
My theory is that will be revealed as the Engineer's ingenious invention that allows Mann Co. weapons to be moved great distances to people who also have them.
Post by: returntonull on May 26, 2010, 08:50:11 pm
Everyone saw the preview video, right?
Did you see that dispenser-looking thing with the satellite dish on it?
My theory is that will be revealed as the Engineer's ingenious invention that allows Mann Co. weapons to be moved great distances to people who also have them.
Or it could just be this: http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3539&p=1 (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3539&p=1)
Post by: Zai on May 26, 2010, 08:51:55 pm
retrofitted into becoming what Tradanbattlan described.Everyone saw the preview video, right?
Did you see that dispenser-looking thing with the satellite dish on it?
My theory is that will be revealed as the Engineer's ingenious invention that allows Mann Co. weapons to be moved great distances to people who also have them.
Or it could just be this: http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3539&p=1 (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3539&p=1)
Post by: returntonull on May 26, 2010, 09:04:07 pm
retrofitted into becoming what Tradanbattlan described.Everyone saw the preview video, right?
Did you see that dispenser-looking thing with the satellite dish on it?
My theory is that will be revealed as the Engineer's ingenious invention that allows Mann Co. weapons to be moved great distances to people who also have them.
Or it could just be this: http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3539&p=1 (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3539&p=1)
That's a lot of faith in Valve doing things in a timely manner/at all. I'd say, Engineer Update hits and then three months later trading appears.
Post by: Zai on May 26, 2010, 10:02:01 pm
Post by: Org on May 27, 2010, 12:52:52 pm
So I was having a discussion with Umi about ideas for the contest, and I think I may do a "Pyro is Fucking Nuts" pack. 2 hats. 1 weapon.Fire Extinguisher as a replacement for a melee weapon.
Deals damage with M1, and extinguishes team-mates with M2.
Post by: Zai on May 27, 2010, 01:27:37 pm
1) I saw someone's already doing a Fire Extinguisher as part of a Fire Safety theme.So I was having a discussion with Umi about ideas for the contest, and I think I may do a "Pyro is Fucking Nuts" pack. 2 hats. 1 weapon.Fire Extinguisher as a replacement for a melee weapon.
Deals damage with M1, and extinguishes team-mates with M2.
2) It's not up to contributors what Valve does with Contributions. They can make suggestions, but Valve doesn't have to listen at all. If you were to include new functions (something that's not supposed to be part of the contest), you'd probably have to make your own animations, as I highly doubt Valve would want to make animations for people.
Right now I'm thinking of my theme being about the Pyro "borrowing" (because borrowing can refer to legit being given things or stealing them, borrowing without asking (my original idea was to have the Pyro be stealing things from the Engy, but Umiman made a good argument for the Pyro to have the Engy give him/her things. So I'm trying to mix the two, and have it vague as to whether the Pyro stole things or was given things by the Engy and have it be vague like the Pyro's gender)) things from the Engy. Don't have a name or phrase for it yet though.
[EDIT:] Agh! Damn it! Stuff for the contest has to be 100% original, meaning no Valve models at all. I'm still going to make my Sentry-headed Flamethrower, I'll just probably put it off.
Post by: Strange guy on May 27, 2010, 06:44:29 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Main change is adding community made kill icons to the community weapons, as well as a few other minor changes and map alterations.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 27, 2010, 06:49:24 pm
Wahaha.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 27, 2010, 06:53:16 pm
300MB for all that?
Wahaha.
You have to redownload two maps and several huge images, among other things. The common theory is there's also parts of the Engineer Update, but I don't buy that one so much. Maps really are that big.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 27, 2010, 06:54:33 pm
Post by: Eduren on May 27, 2010, 07:43:58 pm
Pay careful attention to the new sentry in the bottom, and the
Edit: According to the steam forums that unknown headshot has been there since around the WAR update.
Post by: dragnar on May 27, 2010, 07:52:38 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 27, 2010, 08:26:24 pm
Maps are anywhere from 5mb to 50mb (and more), most commonly around 20-30mb.
Post by: Org on May 27, 2010, 08:29:20 pm
So, I was playing Randomizer Arena when this:
Player [DFC]LASD has joined.
I do a double take. What?
Then I am all like, LASD!, and he is all like ORG!.
And yeah.
Post by: Sensei on May 27, 2010, 08:31:04 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 27, 2010, 08:33:04 pm
Of course I only ever 'programmed' using stuff like Visual Logic, Alice, Game Maker, Carnage Heart, and RPG Maker. So I could very well be talking out of my ass.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 27, 2010, 08:58:56 pm
Pay careful attention to the new sentry in the bottom, and theMore like headexplode icon. Red mist has nothing on this.newunknown headshot icon.
And yeah, what is the IP of the randomizer server you guys use? I can't seem to find it again. At least a semi-active server.
Post by: returntonull on May 27, 2010, 10:00:42 pm
300MB for all that?
Wahaha.
You have to redownload two maps and several huge images, among other things. The common theory is there's also parts of the Engineer Update, but I don't buy that one so much. Maps really are that big.
Valve's maps are -huge- in file size compared to most customs, so yes.
And if its been around since the war update, and considering the color. It was probably whatever they were going to give the demo.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 27, 2010, 10:03:20 pm
Valve's maps are -huge- in file size compared to most customs, so yes.They spend all that space on their precious 'valve geometry' to fuck over players in tight situations.
Post by: Mr.Person on May 27, 2010, 10:03:55 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 27, 2010, 10:04:30 pm
Post by: Zai on May 27, 2010, 10:08:22 pm
No, no. Not real life dodgeball. The TF2 fan-made game-mode dodgeball!
I shall have a new rocket as a melee weapon. Umi wants it to be on fire so that it's more Pyro-y, but I'm kind of eh on that idea, unless it's just the tail that's on fire.
I'm thinking of doing a hat that is an exercise headband, like this (http://www.abiandjoseph.com/UserFiles/1331-Files/image//headband_cat%281%29.jpg) except thicker and not as wide.
And I'll think of another weapon. That may mean another Flamethrower, but I dunno. I was thinking of doing a flaming (actual) dodgeball for "replacing" the Flare Gun. However, that would mean doing my own animations, which I'm not too keen on. I'm not likely to do this, but there is a month and the other two items should be relatively easy in comparison.
Post by: returntonull on May 27, 2010, 10:19:50 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 27, 2010, 10:21:53 pm
Post by: Org on May 27, 2010, 10:35:28 pm
Spoiler: READ NAOW (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mr.Person on May 27, 2010, 10:39:13 pm
Post by: Zai on May 27, 2010, 10:39:26 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on May 27, 2010, 10:41:56 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 27, 2010, 10:45:03 pm
Post by: LASD on May 28, 2010, 04:39:41 am
And yeah, what is the IP of the randomizer server you guys use? I can't seem to find it again. At least a semi-active server.173.192.202.56:27015, that is likely the only one left. And it's arena-only. The non-arena randomizer was more fun as you could play really long stretches with some ridiculous crazy awesome combination. Like a spy with a rocket launcher.
Running on to Org on there was a surprise to say the least. Though I've run into Yanlin a few times without meaning to too.
And yeah, that quoted conversation has about 2% to do with TF2.
EDIT P.S.
Oh wait, derp. Of course they're going to try and do the Engineer update at the same time as they release TF2 for Mac. What was the schedule? Every other Wednesday? So HL2 was this week... So I'd be willing to lay money on Engineer update June 9thish.I was thinking the exact same. I bet Valve is working their ass off to get the game to a playable framerate for Mac.
EDIT 2 P.S.2
And I'll think of another weapon. That may mean another Flamethrower, but I dunno.Maybe a sporty Flamethrower that looks like it was meant for Dodgeball? With exaggerated airblasting capabilities and the flamethrowing seeming like the side function.
Also, what programs are you using to make the models? I'd like to see if I can do anything at all.
Post by: Volatar on May 28, 2010, 07:24:04 am
Quote
oh god
is that
I think it is
a new kill icon unused as of now
its a laser sentry icon
a laser sentry icon
(http://maurice.gmod.de/d_images.png)
a laser sentry icon
Post by: Zai on May 28, 2010, 10:33:18 am
EDIT 2 P.S.2Yeah, that's what I'm going for if I do a Flamethrower, but I'm going to have some difficulty making it really look like it's meant for Dodgeball. I think I may have 2 things on each side of a smaller nozzle which are meant to release airblasts.And I'll think of another weapon. That may mean another Flamethrower, but I dunno.Maybe a sporty Flamethrower that looks like it was meant for Dodgeball? With exaggerated airblasting capabilities and the flamethrowing seeming like the side function.
Also, what programs are you using to make the models? I'd like to see if I can do anything at all.I'm pretty new to modeling for TF2 and Source in general, so you probably shouldn't take advice from me, but I'm just using Blender, GIMP, and assorted plugins. And maybe various other programs if they're needed.
Post by: Jakkarra on May 28, 2010, 10:38:15 am
I need to fix this soon!
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 28, 2010, 11:45:25 am
That is much, much cooler than a damn laser sentry.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 28, 2010, 01:30:34 pm
Post by: Org on May 28, 2010, 09:01:08 pm
Post by: Greiger on May 28, 2010, 09:19:57 pm
All I can say is to check stuff, like your sound input settings on yer OS, any driver settings you may have, check the voice chat stuff in steam, and check it ingame, making sure you can hear yourself in the playback. Also make sure your mic isn't muted or set really low. Believe it or not half the time I try to help somebody with their mics they just had the damn thing muted or off. It's a common, silly mistake.
Post by: Org on May 28, 2010, 09:23:15 pm
Post by: LASD on May 29, 2010, 04:44:29 am
Here's my stats (http://tf2stats.net/player_stats/76561198002308884) for example. You have to register to get more detailed stats, but without that there's still interesting stuff to look at. Like seeing the differences on average kills and points per hour for every class. And noticing I've "only" played 249 hours as opposed to the 427 hours Steam claims I have.
There's also weapon (http://tf2stats.net/items/) and hat (http://tf2stats.net/hats/) usage statistics, which I find interesting.
Also also, they just launched even more extensive stat gathering on a certain set of servers (http://tf2stats.net/contributing_servers) which one can join with a simple command to the server's autoexec (http://tf2stats.net/forums/index.php/topic,46.0.html). Publicity and stats. I think I'll bug Nilocy about it. :P
Post by: Greiger on May 29, 2010, 12:31:41 pm
Here's my stats anyway. (http://tf2stats.net/player_stats/76561197989969030)
Post by: returntonull on May 29, 2010, 01:20:05 pm
Here's my stats (http://tf2stats.net/player_stats/76561198002308884) for example. You have to register to get more detailed stats, but without that there's still interesting stuff to look at. Like seeing the differences on average kills and points per hour for every class. And noticing I've "only" played 249 hours as opposed to the 427 hours Steam claims I have.
tf2stats is just totaling up your visible hours via your stats page. Steam has a better idea of your real total hours, even if it doesn't have stats for all of it. I've reset mine so much that I've probably got something close to 250-300 total hours as spy. With current recorded total at only 90.
Post by: Shadowlord on May 29, 2010, 04:04:18 pm
Post by: Nilocy on May 29, 2010, 04:47:38 pm
Post by: Org on May 29, 2010, 07:57:17 pm
Post by: LASD on May 30, 2010, 05:03:21 am
tf2stats is just totaling up your visible hours via your stats page. Steam has a better idea of your real total hours, even if it doesn't have stats for all of it. I've reset mine so much that I've probably got something close to 250-300 total hours as spy. With current recorded total at only 90.Yeah, but I haven't reset my stats and Steam counts my old idling time and stuff like forgetting the game running, so the Tf2stats figure is likely more accurate of my real time used to play the game. Though I wonder if it catches playing around with bots, probably not.
Those TF2 stats thing are cool. I'll sign the DFC server up to it :DOoh, nice (http://tf2stats.net/contributing_servers).
Post by: Charmander on May 30, 2010, 07:52:27 am
Post by: Jakkarra on May 30, 2010, 07:55:06 am
Get a sponsor maybe.
Post by: Nilocy on May 30, 2010, 09:36:31 am
We could, Y'know, Try to sell ad space?
Get a sponsor maybe.
Or people could donate.
Post by: LASD on May 30, 2010, 09:42:23 am
Or people could donate.Oh yeah, that 20 dollar donation I said I could do. It's on it's way now.
Post by: Nilocy on May 30, 2010, 09:48:32 am
Or people could donate.Oh yeah, that 20 dollar donation I said I could do. It's on it's way now.
Danke mien hard hatted friend.
Post by: Org on May 30, 2010, 09:49:35 am
But then I got bored.
Post by: Zai on May 30, 2010, 11:32:27 am
Or we could do both.We could, Y'know, Try to sell ad space?
Get a sponsor maybe.
Or people could donate.
Post by: zchris13 on May 30, 2010, 12:00:38 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 30, 2010, 12:01:36 pm
Post by: Org on May 30, 2010, 05:00:40 pm
Zai and magma were being pricks, but I guess this is normal.
Nilocy doesn't want to play Mafia.
Jakarra ragequit, I think.
Post by: Bandages on May 30, 2010, 05:21:46 pm
Arena is boring
Org is bad at spy (sorry, I had to)
Post by: Org on May 30, 2010, 05:22:52 pm
What I learned:Mdfkewgdh jek oasjhklq; kasdvfbss
Arena is boring
Org is bad at spy (sorry, I had to)
Post by: Soulwynd on May 30, 2010, 05:26:29 pm
Post by: Org on May 30, 2010, 05:27:02 pm
Am I the only one who loves Arena?I like it.
Post by: Zai on May 30, 2010, 05:28:39 pm
Am I the only one who loves Arena?I like it, just not when there's team player limits.
Zai and magma were being pricks, but I guess this is normal.You just can't handle the love.
Post by: Org on May 30, 2010, 05:29:46 pm
Yeah, why don't you talk to magma about love. There is alot of that in his fanfic.Am I the only one who loves Arena?I like it, just not when there's team player limits.Zai and magma were being pricks, but I guess this is normal.You just can't handle the love.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 30, 2010, 05:31:18 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 30, 2010, 05:35:33 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 30, 2010, 05:38:54 pm
Quote
-LOL deaths will trigger the "hahahaha! hahahaha!" sound clip over the whole mapReally?
-when the LOL lava rises, the short "trololololo" sound clip plays over the whole map
Post by: Soulwynd on May 30, 2010, 05:44:04 pm
Really. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogDylGmwwTg)Quote-LOL deaths will trigger the "hahahaha! hahahaha!" sound clip over the whole mapReally?
-when the LOL lava rises, the short "trololololo" sound clip plays over the whole map
Post by: Bandages on May 30, 2010, 05:45:13 pm
Post by: returntonull on May 30, 2010, 05:51:39 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 30, 2010, 05:58:54 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 30, 2010, 05:59:42 pm
Post by: Megaman on May 30, 2010, 07:53:02 pm
Post by: Nilocy on May 30, 2010, 07:54:55 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 30, 2010, 07:56:08 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on May 30, 2010, 07:57:12 pm
Of cource, the actual name of the song will remain a close held secret to us RussiansIt's trololo in russian? =p
Post by: Bandages on May 30, 2010, 07:58:07 pm
No joke.
Post by: Soulwynd on May 30, 2010, 08:01:15 pm
The song is called "I am so glad to finally be back home"Yet another reason to play trololo whenever you get home. Maybe an mp3 player with motion sensor, so whenever someone comes in it starts playing trololo.
No joke.
Post by: Nilocy on May 30, 2010, 08:14:49 pm
Post by: Volatar on May 31, 2010, 02:07:47 pm
Post by: Org on May 31, 2010, 03:41:00 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on May 31, 2010, 05:51:26 pm
I AM GOOD SPAHSure Org, keep thinking that
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Bandages on May 31, 2010, 05:56:10 pm
and then all the fun people were gone :(((
Post by: Zai on May 31, 2010, 06:05:42 pm
This means don't turn beacon on, don't "slap" people, and don't suddenly change the gravity.
I got fucked over as Spy in the last round on the DFC server because somebody thought it would be a good idea to turn beacon on (after it was too late to change classes in Arena). It wasn't. If I had been a random person who joined the server, I would not come back after today. Too many annoyances on that server.
Really, DFC admins need to interfere in the game a hell of a lot less than they have been doing recently.
Post by: Nilocy on May 31, 2010, 06:06:49 pm
Pro-tip for any and all admins of servers: don't be a dick.
This means don't turn beacon on, don't "slap" people, and don't suddenly change the gravity.
I got fucked over as Spy in the last round on the DFC server because somebody thought it would be a good idea to turn beacon on (after it was too late to change classes in Arena). It wasn't. If I had been a random person who joined the server, I would not come back after today. Too many annoyances on that server.
Really, DFC admins need to interfere in the game a hell of a lot less than they have been doing recently.
And people need to learn that admins paid for the server and have every right to do so. And also, we were playing melee only! We fucked around for the majority of that level, because of something you asked for man.
Lighten up man, never expected this of you.
(P.s the admins have always messed around, its not something new.)
Post by: Bandages on May 31, 2010, 07:17:45 pm
Post by: Sensei on May 31, 2010, 07:27:47 pm
Also, we need a Dwarf Fortress map.
Post by: Greiger on May 31, 2010, 07:44:02 pm
At any rate as Nilocy said, that particular match was hardly anything resembling serious. I think the 5 rounds of melee only combined with the rest being lowgrav and drugs saw to that.
With that new stat system thing though it might get folks complaining when games turn decidedly not srs bzns. Some folks may not like their stats tarnished. Is there any command to maybe suspend the stat tracking when we do something like that?
Post by: Jakkarra on May 31, 2010, 07:51:20 pm
Also, we need a Dwarf Fortress map.
Draw me a plan.
Post by: Jreengus on May 31, 2010, 07:55:43 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 31, 2010, 07:58:37 pm
Post by: Org on May 31, 2010, 08:06:58 pm
I AM BORED.
Post by: MagmaDeath on May 31, 2010, 08:24:55 pm
So shh.
Post by: Org on May 31, 2010, 08:26:39 pm
And you also arnt on the server.What.
So shh.
I am waiting for people to get on.
Post by: The Doctor on May 31, 2010, 08:30:03 pm
BEEN THIS WAY FOR THE LAST WEEK
Ever since I put the CS:S Beta on my list.
I've tried deleting the client blob thingy, I've tried a few different download servers, nothing is bloody working and this is pissing me off
Post by: Jakkarra on May 31, 2010, 08:30:50 pm
Post by: Org on May 31, 2010, 08:31:20 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on May 31, 2010, 08:36:36 pm
You seem to have blocked me.And you also arnt on the server.What.
So shh.
I am waiting for people to get on.
Shh
Post by: The Doctor on May 31, 2010, 08:42:33 pm
I got that, you have to reinstall steam...And all my games? Or can I move the invidual folders of games and put them in?
Post by: Volatar on May 31, 2010, 08:46:32 pm
Or can I move the invidual folders of games and put them in?
Yes.
Post by: The Doctor on May 31, 2010, 08:58:56 pm
If it doesn't work I'm invading your country.
Post by: Zai on May 31, 2010, 09:15:11 pm
I believe I was the one who beaconed everybody, and I apologize. I kinda wanted to start the beacon earlier since I knew it would mess up spies, but I'm not the fastest at typing in commands and it ended up starting right when the doors opened.Nah man, it's aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall goooooooood. I was just pissed off because I was tired and hadn't eaten at all.
At any rate as Nilocy said, that particular match was hardly anything resembling serious. I think the 5 rounds of melee only combined with the rest being lowgrav and drugs saw to that.
With that new stat system thing though it might get folks complaining when games turn decidedly not srs bzns. Some folks may not like their stats tarnished. Is there any command to maybe suspend the stat tracking when we do something like that?People actually care about stats? I just look at them 'cause they tell me how I play, not how goddamn awesome I am at a computer game.
Post by: Volatar on May 31, 2010, 09:35:37 pm
Ah good! :D
If it doesn't work I'm invading your country.
Just try invading the country whose total military spending is greater than every other country on the planet combined. ;D
Post by: The Doctor on May 31, 2010, 09:38:46 pm
Oh wait,Ah good! :D
If it doesn't work I'm invading your country.
Just try invading the country whose total military spending is greater than every other country on the planet combined. ;D
I meant county.
Post by: Volatar on May 31, 2010, 09:46:35 pm
Oh wait,Ah good! :D
If it doesn't work I'm invading your country.
Just try invading the country whose total military spending is greater than every other country on the planet combined. ;D
I meant county.
Please! Please overthrow the county government! They need to stop putting all the money in schools and put it in more important things, like fixing the sidewalks :P
(and no, I am not telling what county I am from.)
Post by: Nilocy on May 31, 2010, 10:12:54 pm
Post by: Zai on May 31, 2010, 10:15:30 pm
People who care about stats can go suck it. I do suggest you sign up for that TF2 stats thing, the earlier you do the more info you get outta it. I like the wee style hexagon diagram thingy. Fun to know that I SUCK AT ASSISTING BUT OWN AT ADJECTIVES.Objectives, you fool! OBJECTIVES!
Post by: Volatar on May 31, 2010, 10:32:40 pm
People who care about stats can go suck it. I do suggest you sign up for that TF2 stats thing, the earlier you do the more info you get outta it. I like the wee style hexagon diagram thingy. Fun to know that I SUCK AT ASSISTING BUT OWN AT ADJECTIVES.Objectives, you fool! OBJECTIVES!
He totally meant ADJECTIVES :)
Post by: Nilocy on May 31, 2010, 10:55:58 pm
Post by: Duuvian on June 01, 2010, 01:06:58 am
Oh wait,Ah good! :D
If it doesn't work I'm invading your country.
Just try invading the country whose total military spending is greater than every other country on the planet combined. ;D
I meant county.
Please! Please overthrow the county government! They need to stop putting all the money in schools and put it in more important things, like fixing the sidewalks :P
(and no, I am not telling what county I am from.)
Volater, did they do unneccessary work in your county too? They tore up a perfectly fine road outside my house, rebuilt it, painted it then tore it up again. They just redid it the year before that too, if I remember right.
I think they either were forced to spend whatever stimulus money quickly or they decided to do everything twice so they could skim the profits, or just to make the plan look like a failure due to political leaning. Either way it was pretty stupid and an enormous waste.
Then I drive to the local mid sized city 15 minutes away and suddenly the road looks like it was done sometime in the late 90's.
Post by: LASD on June 01, 2010, 03:09:07 am
With that new stat system thing though it might get folks complaining when games turn decidedly not srs bzns. Some folks may not like their stats tarnished. Is there any command to maybe suspend the stat tracking when we do something like that?I don't think that has much of an effect on the stats. Reading through the guidelined the stat-tracking servers should follow, it didn't even ban rtd, so I think melee only and other silly things are fine.
Considering the admin trickery, I think putting a mode on everyone is fine, if it doesn't happen all the time or in the middle of a "serious" match. Putting modes on people you don't know and/or changing their name would be being a dick.
But yeah, having melee-only or anything weird like that (or even talking on the mic) makes it possible to deter people from the server forever. It is really dependant on the attitude the player joins the server with and there's not that much we can do about it. Except get the welcome screen to say something else than "Valve playtest server", which it for some reason started doing lately. But then again, there's people that like being silly and might just favourite the server because they had so much fun "just this one time" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrEXx8DxsSI).
P.S. I'ma bit late to the party, but anyway. Wanted to throw that out.
Post by: Siquo on June 01, 2010, 03:56:15 am
Post by: Charmander on June 01, 2010, 07:03:20 am
Well, barring humiliation dickery, but I don't do that often.
Post by: Volatar on June 01, 2010, 09:01:35 am
But yeah, having melee-only or anything weird like that (or even talking on the mic) makes it possible to deter people from the server forever.
People who do not want to hear people talking on the mic can turn off voice chat, or buzz off. We don't want those kind of un-fun people on your server >:(
Post by: Mr.Person on June 01, 2010, 09:13:02 am
Post by: Nilocy on June 01, 2010, 11:05:05 am
Then go here
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress/announcements/detail/54221828188721839
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 01, 2010, 11:13:41 am
Post by: Nilocy on June 01, 2010, 12:39:54 pm
Edit: So far we have a team of 8, 2 more need and I think i'll take 2 subs as well.
We have:
Nilocy (TEAMY CAPTAINY)
Charmander
Remington
Von Krieger
Richard
Myroc
Fenrif
Jreengus Occured
Jakkarra
Subs:
Post by: dragnar on June 01, 2010, 12:49:06 pm
Post by: PenguinOverlord on June 01, 2010, 12:53:52 pm
I might play, but I'll need to know the times.Same here, but I don't have a mic.
Post by: Org on June 01, 2010, 12:54:36 pm
Heh, he contacted me and asked if we could play, and I said yes. Pretty much all thats happened so far.I cvan play, and I have a mic.
Edit: So far we have a team of 8, 2 more need and I think i'll take 2 subs as well.
We have:
Nilocy (TEAMY CAPTAINY)
Charmander
Remington
Von Krieger
Richard
Myroc
Fenrif
Jreengus Occured
Jakkarra
Subs:
Post by: Greiger on June 01, 2010, 01:00:19 pm
Post by: Bandages on June 01, 2010, 01:02:56 pm
Post by: Siquo on June 01, 2010, 01:04:10 pm
Post by: Myroc on June 01, 2010, 01:16:46 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on June 01, 2010, 01:23:16 pm
Post by: Zai on June 01, 2010, 01:34:00 pm
Didn't we try this sometime near the end of last year?
Post by: umiman on June 01, 2010, 01:36:17 pm
Post by: Nilocy on June 01, 2010, 01:43:04 pm
Nilocy (TEAMY CAPTAINY)
Charmander
Remington
Von Krieger
Richard
Myroc
Fenrif
Jreengus Occured
Jakkarra
Grieger
Subs: Basically anyone who cant make it get replaced by someone who wants to play in this order:
Volatar
Siquo
Bandages
Org
Penguin
Dragnar
Zai
Post by: Zai on June 01, 2010, 01:46:11 pm
Subs: Basically anyone who cant make it get replaced by someone who wants to play in this order:Wait why am I first? I should be last or something.
Zai
Siquo
Bandages
Org
Penguin
Dragnar
Post by: Volatar on June 01, 2010, 01:46:59 pm
And I will be playing medic. I am quite good at medic.
Post by: Nilocy on June 01, 2010, 02:25:56 pm
Post by: The Doctor on June 01, 2010, 02:42:33 pm
Post by: Volatar on June 01, 2010, 03:13:22 pm
Edit roster :D
Lol, I like how you put me on the top.
Post by: Jreengus on June 01, 2010, 04:45:12 pm
Post by: Org on June 01, 2010, 09:14:09 pm
i had some great ideas for the soldier.
Post by: Zai on June 01, 2010, 09:45:54 pm
I wish I could do some weapon modeling for the community stuff.Just try. You don't even need to make a whole pack; just make something and Contribute it.
i had some great ideas for the soldier.
This reminds me to tell y'all that I won't be able to make my stuff for the contest after all. I'm going on vacation for about 3 weeks (=D), starting next week. This means I won't have time to finish anything for the pack when I get back. I realized this over the weekend, so I haven't bothered working on anything since. I'll probably still make some of the stuff (particularly the headband for the Pyro and the Sentry-Flamethrower if I can get existing models to load properly), but I probably won't get to it until July. And by then, the Engy update should be out, so I don't know if I'll be too distracted with that or not.
Post by: Org on June 01, 2010, 10:33:23 pm
I don't know how.I wish I could do some weapon modeling for the community stuff.Just try. You don't even need to make a whole pack; just make something and Contribute it.
i had some great ideas for the soldier.
This reminds me to tell y'all that I won't be able to make my stuff for the contest after all. I'm going on vacation for about 3 weeks (=D), starting next week. This means I won't have time to finish anything for the pack when I get back. I realized this over the weekend, so I haven't bothered working on anything since. I'll probably still make some of the stuff (particularly the headband for the Pyro and the Sentry-Flamethrower if I can get existing models to load properly), but I probably won't get to it until July. And by then, the Engy update should be out, so I don't know if I'll be too distracted with that or not.
Post by: Bandages on June 01, 2010, 10:51:23 pm
Post by: Zai on June 02, 2010, 09:52:08 am
There's plenty of tutorials, duder. The only thing that's stopping you from making what you want is your own inhibitions.I don't know how.I wish I could do some weapon modeling for the community stuff.Just try. You don't even need to make a whole pack; just make something and Contribute it.
i had some great ideas for the soldier.
Post by: Org on June 02, 2010, 10:07:54 am
Do you have any good ones?There's plenty of tutorials, duder. The only thing that's stopping you from making what you want is your own inhibitions.I don't know how.I wish I could do some weapon modeling for the community stuff.Just try. You don't even need to make a whole pack; just make something and Contribute it.
i had some great ideas for the soldier.
Post by: Jreengus on June 02, 2010, 10:17:28 am
Post by: Org on June 02, 2010, 10:18:31 am
Post by: PTTG?? on June 02, 2010, 11:12:26 am
Post by: Myroc on June 02, 2010, 11:22:59 am
Yeah I was thinking of some WWII themed Soldier gear.Give him a melee weapon shaped like a german stick grenade.
Post by: Zai on June 02, 2010, 01:53:01 pm
What kind of tutorials are you looking for? Just modeling?Quote from: ZaiThere's plenty of tutorials, duder. The only thing that's stopping you from making what you want is your own inhibitions.Do you have any good ones?
Post by: Org on June 02, 2010, 01:53:32 pm
Post by: Zai on June 02, 2010, 02:18:46 pm
Have a field day. Assuming you're wanting to use Blender, which is a good free modeling program.
Post by: Org on June 02, 2010, 02:24:18 pm
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_ProThanks brosky.
Have a field day. Assuming you're wanting to use Blender, which is a good free modeling program.
Post by: Lokii on June 02, 2010, 04:46:06 pm
I mean, the game shows up when I press "Find games at this address" but when I try to add it, it just doesn't show up... I'm not sure how I would get into the game otherwise, though.
Erm.. Halp pl0x?
Post by: Volatar on June 02, 2010, 04:53:37 pm
Hey, I've been trying to play this, but when I press the button to add the IP into my favorites, it just... dosen't show up. =|
I mean, the game shows up when I press "Find games at this address" but when I try to add it, it just doesn't show up... I'm not sure how I would get into the game otherwise, though.
Erm.. Halp pl0x?
When you say game you mean our server?
Post by: Lokii on June 02, 2010, 04:57:07 pm
Yup. I'll see if I can get some screen shots or some-such thing if you need them...Hey, I've been trying to play this, but when I press the button to add the IP into my favorites, it just... dosen't show up. =|
I mean, the game shows up when I press "Find games at this address" but when I try to add it, it just doesn't show up... I'm not sure how I would get into the game otherwise, though.
Erm.. Halp pl0x?
When you say game you mean our server?
Post by: Jreengus on June 02, 2010, 05:28:10 pm
Post by: Sensei on June 02, 2010, 05:33:31 pm
Post by: Lokii on June 02, 2010, 05:36:07 pm
Darn.
Post by: Siquo on June 02, 2010, 05:37:20 pm
Perhaps because it crashes every 3 maps. :(
Post by: Lokii on June 02, 2010, 05:41:35 pm
*sigh*
Steam is a great idea and all, but sometimes the program is buggy as hell. ::)
Post by: Greiger on June 02, 2010, 06:10:21 pm
I figure the IP method is just there so you don't have to search through the thousands of TF2 servers to favorite it.
Post by: Lokii on June 02, 2010, 06:27:25 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is how I'm trying to add it, but when I click the actual "add to favorites" button, nothing happens.
Then again I don't really mess about with servers, so I may be doing it totally wrong.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 02, 2010, 06:33:59 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 02, 2010, 07:46:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLau69LY4mM
Post by: Volatar on June 02, 2010, 08:24:38 pm
Well let's see...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is how I'm trying to add it, but when I click the actual "add to favorites" button, nothing happens.
Then again I don't really mess about with servers, so I may be doing it totally wrong.
Well your problem may well be that you are using the Steam browser. Try adding it to the favorite list in the ingame server browser.
Post by: returntonull on June 02, 2010, 09:01:13 pm
Well your problem may well be that you are using the Steam browser. Try adding it to the favorite list in the ingame server browser.
I concur with this. The omni-server browser in the actual steam client isn't integrated very well. Particularly if you're trying to modify custom server lists with it, as each game keeps the lists in their own folders and I don't think the steam omni-browser quite understands how to write the stuff back out to the specific files once it's polled them.
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on June 02, 2010, 11:59:42 pm
http://meta.filesmelt.com/Imagehosting/pics/21d1e0569b8d0bced83fae12a2c9fa4b.jpg
Post by: returntonull on June 03, 2010, 02:37:01 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFHVGiqWOZI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFHVGiqWOZI)
Post by: Nilocy on June 03, 2010, 10:07:07 am
Its at 11PM GMT+1 (day light savings and all). But thats 11pm in the UK, 6PM for those on the eastern seaboard of AMERIIICAAAA, and i believe 1AM for those living in Europe (if not that its 12am).
Can everyone make it for this time?
Post by: Metalax on June 03, 2010, 10:12:32 am
Post by: Charmander on June 03, 2010, 10:21:32 am
Kinda surprised on the ping to their server being only about 140 for me, though. I can probably deal with that.
Post by: Jreengus on June 03, 2010, 12:01:00 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 03, 2010, 12:36:57 pm
Post by: fenrif on June 03, 2010, 01:07:52 pm
Post by: Org on June 03, 2010, 01:48:01 pm
Post by: Myroc on June 03, 2010, 01:53:37 pm
...assuming I'm getting the time correctly and its close to midnight in europe?
Post by: Siquo on June 03, 2010, 03:05:33 pm
How long would the match take? I've got a lot of shit to do the next day.
Post by: Volatar on June 03, 2010, 04:08:44 pm
Post by: Nilocy on June 03, 2010, 04:18:31 pm
Post by: Org on June 03, 2010, 04:18:47 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 03, 2010, 05:07:49 pm
...I seem to be hungry now.
Post by: LASD on June 03, 2010, 05:35:17 pm
Aaaaand it is.... The Magistrate's Mullet! (Level 55) Naturally for the class I play the least, but I'm very happy I didn't get a Camera Beard, which I was expecting.
The best part is that now I don't to need to care about the drops at all. I can just let them clutter up my backpack.
Post by: Jreengus on June 03, 2010, 05:37:56 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on June 03, 2010, 05:39:16 pm
I wonder if we can get a petition to have the spy be able to wear a hat while disguised, i think the reason may have been that it'd have clipped with the Paper mask.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 03, 2010, 06:11:35 pm
And I for one find the Bond-type spy to be pretty fun- you don't wear disguses or hide, just shoot things. Brief, but fun.
The Ambasador can be good for that if you hold down the reload key, as it takes just as long to reload as it takes to get back to full accuracy.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 03, 2010, 07:59:11 pm
The Ambasador can be good for that if you hold down the reload key, as it takes just as long to reload as it takes to get back to full accuracy.Congratulations on having X-Ray vision to be able to see past that wall of metal you hold in front of your face every time the ambassador reloads.
Post by: Sensei on June 03, 2010, 08:32:39 pm
I don't use the ambassador, I don't think its worth it what with giving enemies time to run away. If all headshots counted, not just ones at max accuracy, I wouldn't mind.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 03, 2010, 08:41:42 pm
Post by: Sensei on June 03, 2010, 08:43:56 pm
They all do. It's just hard to get them when your accuracy is shit. Ie. You aim for the head, and hit the body instead. The trick with the ambassador, is to simply aim for the body after the first shot. You can get lucky and headshot due to the inaccuracy.No, I'm pretty sure they changed it so can only get the headshot critical damage when it's at full accuracy.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 03, 2010, 08:55:08 pm
Then that sucks. D:They all do. It's just hard to get them when your accuracy is shit. Ie. You aim for the head, and hit the body instead. The trick with the ambassador, is to simply aim for the body after the first shot. You can get lucky and headshot due to the inaccuracy.No, I'm pretty sure they changed it so can only get the headshot critical damage when it's at full accuracy.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 03, 2010, 09:05:31 pm
Post by: Volatar on June 03, 2010, 09:12:53 pm
The Ambasador can be good for that if you hold down the reload key, as it takes just as long to reload as it takes to get back to full accuracy.Congratulations on having X-Ray vision to be able to see past that wall of metal you hold in front of your face every time the ambassador reloads.
r_drawviewmodels 0
;)
Post by: Myroc on June 04, 2010, 03:18:54 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 04, 2010, 03:23:30 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on June 04, 2010, 09:54:45 pm
Post by: Org on June 04, 2010, 09:59:21 pm
GET ON
Post by: Bandages on June 04, 2010, 10:03:23 pm
where are you
Post by: Org on June 04, 2010, 10:03:48 pm
O.O
Post by: Siquo on June 05, 2010, 07:11:34 am
Getting it on.Uhuh, uhuh, oh yeah.
Post by: Org on June 05, 2010, 08:03:49 am
O.OGetting it on.Uhuh, uhuh, oh yeah.
Post by: zchris13 on June 05, 2010, 01:36:15 pm
Post by: LASD on June 05, 2010, 04:19:34 pm
I need to try this game. I haven't played yet.Have you watched these (http://www.tf2.com/movies.htm)? You can expect something equally funny and exciting from the game itself, so yes, you definitely should.
Also, I finally remembered how I got over the starting hurdle of not managing to do stuff or kill anyone. I watched a ton of how to play [class]-videos. I think I started doing that even before I tried the game.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 05, 2010, 04:20:54 pm
Post by: Volatar on June 05, 2010, 05:33:25 pm
I need to try this game. I haven't played yet.
If you have not already added me on Steam, I am Volatar on there. Add me, and message me. I will take you on a server filled with fun people and I'll teach you the basics.
Post by: zchris13 on June 05, 2010, 07:22:14 pm
WHAT I MEANT WAS COME PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2 WITH ME.
That was fun Org. Do it again.
Post by: Jreengus on June 06, 2010, 09:11:58 am
Post by: Strange guy on June 06, 2010, 10:27:07 am
On another note why has the DFC server only got arena maps on recently?
Post by: Zai on June 06, 2010, 10:44:41 am
On another note why has the DFC server only got arena maps on recently?It's some bug with the voting script or something, so that once it's on an Arena map, it only ever offers Arena maps to vote for.
Post by: Nilocy on June 06, 2010, 01:15:10 pm
On another note why has the DFC server only got arena maps on recently?It's some bug with the voting script or something, so that once it's on an Arena map, it only ever offers Arena maps to vote for.
Yeah, its rather annoying. Ill sort it out right nw actually.
Edit: My original suspicions were confirmed. Because the Arena maps are on a different play list, it doesn't recognise the other maps as maps to play when arena is loaded. So I have a difficult choice. Continue with this, or just stop arena from ever being played
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 06, 2010, 01:32:56 pm
Yeah, its rather annoying. Ill sort it out right nw actually.I say remove them, they have a bad habit of breaking anyway.
Edit: My original suspicions were confirmed. Because the Arena maps are on a different play list, it doesn't recognise the other maps as maps to play when arena is loaded. So I have a difficult choice. Continue with this, or just stop arena from ever being played
Post by: Nilocy on June 06, 2010, 01:37:01 pm
Post by: Org on June 06, 2010, 01:46:25 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 06, 2010, 02:52:17 pm
They don't break at all, just people dislike them, and moan and complain all the time :DNo, they break, spawning sometimes goes out of whack allowing people to respawn during a match, this often leaves new players sitting out for however long it takes for the round to end.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 06, 2010, 03:17:15 pm
Post by: Strange guy on June 06, 2010, 03:20:49 pm
Post by: Charmander on June 06, 2010, 04:14:08 pm
Post by: fenrif on June 06, 2010, 04:36:58 pm
I do love it though.
P.S. Ballerina scout is awesome.
Post by: Org on June 06, 2010, 04:40:20 pm
And there's the annoying bug that leaves some players at less than full HP.I have this on all types.
What it is for me, at least, is when I play with a Class Weapon that lowers health.
Example
I played a Demo with eyelander a round ago. I switch classes. I have -25 max health.
Post by: Greiger on June 06, 2010, 04:42:08 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 06, 2010, 05:35:09 pm
And when flare guns/huntsmen sometimes spawn with half ammo.That's not a bug. Some weapons spawn with half-ammo if you lost the last round.
Post by: Jreengus on June 06, 2010, 05:40:57 pm
To help you lose the next one too? Somehow I doubt valve are stupid enough to implement that as a feature...And when flare guns/huntsmen sometimes spawn with half ammo.That's not a bug. Some weapons spawn with half-ammo if you lost the last round.
Post by: Bandages on June 06, 2010, 05:55:56 pm
To help you lose the next one too? Somehow I doubt valve are stupid enough to implement that as a feature...And when flare guns/huntsmen sometimes spawn with half ammo.That's not a bug. Some weapons spawn with half-ammo if you lost the last round.
Pipeline.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 06, 2010, 06:06:57 pm
They already help you lose by giving more crits to people that do more damage.To help you lose the next one too? Somehow I doubt valve are stupid enough to implement that as a feature...And when flare guns/huntsmen sometimes spawn with half ammo.That's not a bug. Some weapons spawn with half-ammo if you lost the last round.
Nothing to doubt there.
If you want to test it, go to an arena server, win a round, then lose a round. You will see.
Post by: Jreengus on June 06, 2010, 06:10:52 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 06, 2010, 06:20:46 pm
If this stuff is true, I have even less incentive to support arena.They already help you lose by giving more crits to people that do more damage.To help you lose the next one too? Somehow I doubt valve are stupid enough to implement that as a feature...And when flare guns/huntsmen sometimes spawn with half ammo.That's not a bug. Some weapons spawn with half-ammo if you lost the last round.
Nothing to doubt there.
If you want to test it, go to an arena server, win a round, then lose a round. You will see.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 06, 2010, 06:33:17 pm
The arena was just an example. It happens in every other map too.
Post by: Volatar on June 06, 2010, 10:28:19 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 06, 2010, 10:45:12 pm
If you want to do that to the DFC server, I don't care, I don't go there due to ping reasons.
But if personal opinion where to matter, I'd vote to ditch CTF instead, I switch servers as soon as that pops up.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 06, 2010, 11:43:33 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on June 07, 2010, 02:38:38 am
Post by: Soulwynd on June 07, 2010, 02:53:40 am
Post by: Jakkarra on June 07, 2010, 03:12:05 am
Post by: Volatar on June 07, 2010, 09:25:36 am
I don't like sitting out. Seriously.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 07, 2010, 10:56:21 am
Post by: Volatar on June 07, 2010, 11:07:52 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 07, 2010, 11:09:46 am
Make spawns you drop down out of.
Post by: Lumbajak on June 07, 2010, 12:46:54 pm
Post by: Evilgrim on June 07, 2010, 01:31:40 pm
2Fort is only map.
2Fort.
I'm not being serious, but.. What the heck?! Why are 2Fort Servers so popular?!
Gaaah.
Post by: dragnar on June 07, 2010, 01:41:27 pm
I'm not being serious, but.. What the heck?! Why are 2Fort Servers so popular?!Not sure, but this (http://nerfnow.com/comic/116) demonstrates the point well.
Gaaah.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 07, 2010, 03:36:36 pm
Make spawns where you're falling into a death pit and you have to kill each other before reaching it to get the points.
Already exists.
Post by: Nilocy on June 07, 2010, 06:45:07 pm
Well, heres some of it :D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: I pointed out that the bridge is a bit too hi tech looking for dwarvies, so more 'realistics' coming.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 07, 2010, 06:51:28 pm
So, you recall me saying that theres a DFC map in the works...The lava had better rise and fall periodically.
Well, heres some of it :DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Soulwynd on June 07, 2010, 06:55:49 pm
And sing the trololo.So, you recall me saying that theres a DFC map in the works...The lava had better rise and fall periodically.
Well, heres some of it :DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sensei on June 07, 2010, 08:13:44 pm
Post by: dragnar on June 07, 2010, 08:15:56 pm
Post by: Nilocy on June 07, 2010, 08:20:01 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I like the latter picture, the former is demostrating that it can kill you if you fall in it :D
Post by: The Doctor on June 07, 2010, 08:20:27 pm
You enter the last cap point/intel room...
And lava rises/spikes raise.
Always.
Never can get past it.
Post by: Sensei on June 07, 2010, 08:21:07 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 07, 2010, 08:22:37 pm
Doesn't look very lava-y.Would look better if it fluctuated a little, and if bodies sunk in a little.
Post by: Nilocy on June 07, 2010, 08:28:13 pm
Post by: The Doctor on June 07, 2010, 08:29:03 pm
I'm making a little map, it's my first ever...
How soon can I expect to stop needing to glance at the SDK wiki every 5 seconds? :P
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 07, 2010, 08:32:06 pm
If overtime is reached, you should have hatches open up to release lava into the area, forcing players to use the higher areas of the map.
Post by: Cpt.Yorange on June 08, 2010, 06:10:58 am
here are the blue prints for what i have conjured up
http://i48.tinypic.com/2v0h0kp.jpg (http://i48.tinypic.com/2v0h0kp.jpg)
ty all and your input will be much valued im away for 2 days so will reply to questions upon my epic return :P
Post by: Sowelu on June 08, 2010, 06:14:28 am
Post by: Cpt.Yorange on June 08, 2010, 06:15:45 am
Post by: Cpt.Yorange on June 08, 2010, 06:19:21 am
Post by: Siquo on June 08, 2010, 06:38:28 am
What needs to be in:
- Large pillars in the open spaces for cover (but you seem to have that covered).
- East-West should be symmetrical, but North and South may be asymmetrical.
- Some balconies/upper walkways in the Dwarf Dwellings, also make those have high ceilings.
- Have happy forest have a brook with 2 bridges (and perhaps an underwater entrance into the fortress or spawn like in Well).
- Bottomless pit!
Fun to have:
Bins, barrels, workshops, refuse stockpiles, beds, plump helmet farms, cages (all props), make the grand hall a throne room with golden throne, a trading depot.
Watch out for:
- Unconquerable sentry placements.
- Too few alternative routes.
- Jumping soldiers/demos/scouts who can reach where they weren't supposed to.
Edit: added some ideas.
Post by: Jreengus on June 08, 2010, 08:00:57 am
would be a cool idea but im aiming to do that with lighting and decoration because its meant to give the impression that you are going deeper into a mountian that has the potential of erupting and i dunno what mountian u would find both large entities of water and lava in the same area what i can do tho is for water i can put streams through the spawn areas
Well back in the old 2d version of dwarf fortress as you went deeper into the mountain you would first hit an underground river then a giant bottomless cavern then a flow of magma/lava.
I'm not sure what type of map it will be but if it's a blu attacking one then the 3 themes of water, bottomless pit and lava could be used for each area.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 08, 2010, 09:24:52 am
- Jumping soldiers/demos/scouts who can reach where they weren't supposed to.If your gonna restrict access to certain areas, PLEASE do not make them look viable in the first place. I hate seeing a area that looks perfectly acceptable to jump to only to get blocked by some invisible wall or slippery slope.
Post by: Eviltyphoon on June 08, 2010, 01:46:00 pm
would be a cool idea but im aiming to do that with lighting and decoration because its meant to give the impression that you are going deeper into a mountian that has the potential of erupting and i dunno what mountian u would find both large entities of water and lava in the same area what i can do tho is for water i can put streams through the spawn areas
Well back in the old 2d version of dwarf fortress as you went deeper into the mountain you would first hit an underground river then a giant bottomless cavern then a flow of magma/lava.
I'm not sure what type of map it will be but if it's a blu attacking one then the 3 themes of water, bottomless pit and lava could be used for each area.
That would be an awesome payload map :o. And it would even make sense, DFwise. Invaders wanting to throw a bomb in the bottemless pits, to get the creatures from them to attack the fortress...
Now I wish I could map :(
Post by: Greiger on June 08, 2010, 01:48:10 pm
The current map looks cool from what I see of it so far though :) Nice work!
Post by: Eviltyphoon on June 09, 2010, 01:27:55 pm
Nah, bomb to blow away the seal to the old HFS.
The current map looks cool from what I see of it so far though :) Nice work!
Even better. We need this. NOW!
EDIT: COWARDS, GET ON SERVER.
Srsly, there were like 14 ppl on the server. We change map to cp_steel and suddenly it's 2v2...
Post by: Org on June 09, 2010, 02:20:50 pm
Here. (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=100001079846881&ref=search)
Post by: LASD on June 09, 2010, 02:24:58 pm
To speak something of TF2, Nilocy just threw me this link discussing a TF2 Movie with Valve (http://kotaku.com/5273555/valve-dreams-of-team-fortress-2-movie-divulges-meet-the-team-origins). How cool would that be?
Post by: Eviltyphoon on June 09, 2010, 02:41:47 pm
To speak something of TF2, Nilocy just threw me this link discussing a TF2 Movie with Valve (http://kotaku.com/5273555/valve-dreams-of-team-fortress-2-movie-divulges-meet-the-team-origins). How cool would that be?
OHMYGOSH! YES!
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 09, 2010, 02:51:39 pm
Only if Shia LeBouf DOESNT play one of the characters. If he does, the character he plays should die off quickly.To speak something of TF2, Nilocy just threw me this link discussing a TF2 Movie with Valve (http://kotaku.com/5273555/valve-dreams-of-team-fortress-2-movie-divulges-meet-the-team-origins). How cool would that be?
OHMYGOSH! YES!
Post by: Evilgrim on June 09, 2010, 03:22:32 pm
Is anyone online now interested in a game? :D
Post by: Siquo on June 09, 2010, 03:33:45 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 09, 2010, 04:29:40 pm
Also if anyone finds a hidden page handing out ipods for the misc slot then make sure to post it.
Post by: Bandages on June 09, 2010, 04:33:43 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 09, 2010, 04:37:03 pm
Also if anyone finds a hidden page handing out ipods for the misc slot then make sure to post it.Sure looks like the TF2 guys are wearing them...
Post by: Jreengus on June 09, 2010, 04:38:57 pm
Post by: Siquo on June 09, 2010, 04:51:02 pm
Once in a while :)
Post by: Evilgrim on June 09, 2010, 04:53:31 pm
:D
I on the other hand, cannot.
I should never go spy.
Ever. >_>
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 09, 2010, 04:57:29 pm
Also, it's time for some speculation of the Engy update.
Engy's new buildings will be sleek and white, as if they were built by Apple, his wrench logo being red or blue depending on the team. The new buildings will be unupgradable, but versatile. Also, they will be utterly useless.
Post by: fenrif on June 09, 2010, 05:03:36 pm
TOMORROW IS THE NIGHT. (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3923&p=1)
Also, it's time for some speculation of the Engy update.
Engy's new buildings will be sleek and white, as if they were built by Apple, his wrench logo being red or blue depending on the team. The new buildings will be unupgradable, but versatile. Also, they will be utterly useless.
Holy crap TF2 on mac tommorow! (http://www.teamfortress.com/)
Post by: PTTG?? on June 09, 2010, 05:21:10 pm
He will get 35 hats, and two medals.
The Engie will get a different shotgun that fires all the ammo you are currently carrying, making it only useful for when standing on a dispenser. He will get a pistol that crits anyone who's being hit with a sentry.
He will get a taunt kill with his wrench which is faster than others, but only kills disguised spies.
Prove me wrong, Valve, prove me wrong!
Post by: LASD on June 09, 2010, 05:46:43 pm
I love the Scout's smirk on that picture. He looks so arrogant and knowing.
EDIT: I wish Valve adds Mac exclusive hats or misc items to the game just to hear the Steam Forums go: "WTF Valve, 1000$ for a hat!"
Post by: dragnar on June 09, 2010, 05:50:25 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 09, 2010, 05:51:25 pm
I love the Scout's smirk on that picture. He looks so arrogant and knowing.I need to take the cheap shot here.
"Appropriate his image is there for the arrival of Team Fortress 2 for Mac users."
Post by: PTTG?? on June 09, 2010, 05:53:27 pm
Yaay, cool. Has to be the Engi countdown too.
I love the Scout's smirk on that picture. He looks so arrogant and knowing.
Exactly like
every
single
mac owner
ever.
Yeah, I forgot to mention, there's a Mac Badge and an Ipod item. You get the badge if you buy it from Mac steam. The Ipod is an unlock for the engie that replaces the Build PDA, just a reskin.
Post by: Bandages on June 09, 2010, 05:59:28 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 09, 2010, 06:01:55 pm
Post by: LASD on June 09, 2010, 06:07:37 pm
Using different OS's is perfectly okay. Remember this now. No more flaming.
(Seriously, do people actually believe what they say about Mac users. [That was a rhetorical question {Don't answer it}] The Steam TF2 forums have even more stupid incoherent babble going on now.)
P.S. Okay okay, I'm starting to babble too, I'll go sleeping.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 09, 2010, 07:20:47 pm
Post by: Nilocy on June 09, 2010, 07:22:30 pm
Also, the scout looks so evil in that picture. Like he's actually properly evul looking.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 09, 2010, 07:22:54 pm
Have you noticed how the Scout's eyes look like they were prosthetically put in in that picture? You can see the seams going around his eyes...That scout's a spy!
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 09, 2010, 07:23:29 pm
Kind of makes you think about that robotic arm in the Engy's blueprints in that short clip...Have you noticed how the Scout's eyes look like they were prosthetically put in in that picture? You can see the seams going around his eyes...That scout's a spy!
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 09, 2010, 07:24:34 pm
No... not really...Kind of makes you think about that robotic arm in the Engy's blueprints in that short clip...Have you noticed how the Scout's eyes look like they were prosthetically put in in that picture? You can see the seams going around his eyes...That scout's a spy!
Post by: Soulwynd on June 09, 2010, 08:03:03 pm
Heyhey, no platform wars in this thread.I know I've said this before, but...
Using different OS's is perfectly okay. Remember this now. No more flaming.
(Seriously, do people actually believe what they say about Mac users. [That was a rhetorical question {Don't answer it}] The Steam TF2 forums have even more stupid incoherent babble going on now.)
P.S. Okay okay, I'm starting to babble too, I'll go sleeping.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Volatar on June 09, 2010, 08:08:18 pm
Post by: Sensei on June 09, 2010, 11:04:37 pm
Also: WANT. ENGIE. UPDAET.
Post by: Nilocy on June 09, 2010, 11:30:51 pm
Post by: Org on June 09, 2010, 11:37:24 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 10, 2010, 12:23:35 am
This cannot be good. I'm glad Valve warned us.
Post by: Schilcote on June 10, 2010, 08:21:57 am
I was looking at the page source to see if there were any easter eggs and didn't find any, though I did find this large version of the picture in the blog update: http://www.teamfortress.com/images/posts/tomorrow_large.png
Woah, Scout rape face.
Post by: Bandages on June 10, 2010, 12:03:42 pm
I was looking at the page source to see if there were any easter eggs and didn't find any, though I did find this large version of the picture in the blog update: http://www.teamfortress.com/images/posts/tomorrow_large.png
Woah, Scout rape face.
"There was a ruffie in that Bonk."
Post by: Org on June 10, 2010, 12:13:21 pm
ITS NOT STUFF FOR THE MAC.
ITS A DEAL WITH SNAPPLE.
Post by: Charmander on June 10, 2010, 12:58:26 pm
I BET YOU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59E42ye3nII) DAMN WELL DO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vSjJpVeH0s)
Yeah, I basically just converted and uploaded. Ignore the shitty camera work.
Post by: Org on June 10, 2010, 01:02:08 pm
Post by: umiman on June 10, 2010, 01:39:43 pm
Post by: Org on June 10, 2010, 01:41:17 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 10, 2010, 01:50:50 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 10, 2010, 03:49:13 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Nilocy on June 10, 2010, 03:51:14 pm
Post by: Myroc on June 10, 2010, 03:57:18 pm
Post by: umiman on June 10, 2010, 04:03:37 pm
Post by: LASD on June 10, 2010, 04:05:25 pm
But there's one thing missing, the Engi update announcement! Arhgarhgtrkmdfglkmfgölsldlöb.
Though the comic is pure gold :D "GIRL! I got this one guys."
EDIT:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Nilocy on June 10, 2010, 04:12:41 pm
Post by: Charmander on June 10, 2010, 04:18:39 pm
Also: Jobbs Orchards. Subtle.
Post by: fenrif on June 10, 2010, 04:20:33 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 10, 2010, 04:26:03 pm
Those curvy hippie bastards won't know the manly things that will be hitting them!
Post by: Volatar on June 10, 2010, 04:26:35 pm
Rockin' out to my iPod in TF2 here I come!
Post by: Mr.Person on June 10, 2010, 04:39:35 pm
Post by: fenrif on June 10, 2010, 04:40:05 pm
Post by: Akura on June 10, 2010, 04:44:53 pm
Please try again in a few minutes."
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!! :-[
Post by: Nilocy on June 10, 2010, 04:48:12 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I mean... I'm like... gob smacked, valve will probably edit this. But still...
Post by: fenrif on June 10, 2010, 04:50:53 pm
Post by: Nilocy on June 10, 2010, 04:51:39 pm
New start screen thingie?
Yes, exactly that. Its so... pretty :D
Post by: Org on June 10, 2010, 04:52:11 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 10, 2010, 04:56:16 pm
Screw the other people! Just give me that last goddamn 1% so I can play the game! Then you can give everybody else the files!
Post by: Volatar on June 10, 2010, 05:03:38 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 10, 2010, 05:05:04 pm
Post by: Nilocy on June 10, 2010, 05:09:45 pm
Edit: I can confirm that the name thing does switch.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 10, 2010, 05:10:32 pm
Post by: fenrif on June 10, 2010, 05:11:28 pm
What is Nilocy raving about?
Pyro referred to as a female.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on June 10, 2010, 05:12:50 pm
Randomized, sometimes it says he.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I mean... I'm like... gob smacked, valve will probably edit this. But still...
Also, if for some reason someone didn't find this comic, here it is again.
Link (http://www.teamfortress.com/macupdate/comic/)
I want to see Saxton Hale and Steve Jobs fight. Preferably in space.
Post by: Siquo on June 10, 2010, 05:24:29 pm
Post by: umiman on June 10, 2010, 05:27:18 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on June 10, 2010, 05:30:46 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 10, 2010, 05:32:19 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 10, 2010, 05:34:54 pm
And the bots are buggy as usual. No, you cannot see me decloak when you are facing the wrong way across the map.
Post by: dragnar on June 10, 2010, 05:39:47 pm
I suggest all earbud-equipped people are better than those without... Discuss. :PThey have touched the hated mac, and are therefore inferior.
Post by: Metalax on June 10, 2010, 05:47:18 pm
You want some terrible Fortress Defence early-morning action?
I BET YOU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59E42ye3nII) DAMN WELL DO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vSjJpVeH0s)
Yeah, I basically just converted and uploaded. Ignore the shitty camera work.
Heh, that was fun, in both senses of the word. ;D
Post by: Jreengus on June 10, 2010, 05:58:19 pm
When we are medics we shouldn't heal them, as snipers/pyros we shouldn't airblast them. When on the enemy team as spies we should prioritise them for backstabs, as snipers for headshots. After all that wouldn't be terribly petty at all...I suggest all earbud-equipped people are better than those without... Discuss. :PThey have touched the hated mac, and are therefore inferior.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 10, 2010, 06:44:11 pm
Post by: Lumbajak on June 10, 2010, 06:45:07 pm
Also Heavy is masturbating when he sees his gun in the comic.
VALVe are master trolls.
And I suggest "America's #1 war-themed hat simulator" for thread title.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on June 10, 2010, 07:19:28 pm
Post by: Volatar on June 10, 2010, 07:22:44 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 10, 2010, 07:26:04 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on June 10, 2010, 07:26:40 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 10, 2010, 07:27:25 pm
EDIT: Now I just feel plain stupid, I kind of skipped right past the video assuming it was just an image.
Also I hope they introduce a new windows item, then they should do a check and anyone who logged in on a single system just once then the other all the rest of the time gets their items removed and replaced with something else, I'm thinking it should be called "two faced" and incorporate imagery/logos from both companies.
Post by: The Doctor on June 10, 2010, 07:32:58 pm
What video is this?
Post by: Soulwynd on June 10, 2010, 07:39:07 pm
Valve fails at design.
Second thing to notice is with the sniper's shiv. While in 1st person view, the serrated part of the shiv is pointing forward/down. If you taunt or watch another sniper with the shiv, you will see the serrated bit is pointing up to the back of the blade instead.
Double fail... BAM!
Post by: Volatar on June 10, 2010, 07:40:57 pm
=/
What video is this?
http://www.teamfortress.com/macupdate/
Post by: Volatar on June 10, 2010, 08:48:47 pm
Post by: fenrif on June 10, 2010, 11:40:25 pm
Post by: dragnar on June 10, 2010, 11:43:53 pm
Post by: Sensei on June 10, 2010, 11:49:17 pm
(http://garfield.zweistein.cz/strip.1459695407.MDEwM2F8MDA0OWJ8MDA0OWM.png)
Post by: PTTG?? on June 11, 2010, 12:17:23 am
Actually, come to think of it, I'd put the spy on mac, the engie on Linux, and the pyro on windows.
Windows already has a number of unlocks- namely, all the unlocks released so far, particularly the soldier badge (which was time-limited and all taken before the release on mac). Then there's the other badges, which can only appear when you've played for years now. So for the next few years at least, your Mac players will never get the Grizzled Veteran badge- right?
Who else likes the stuff in the training? I tried out the new bots, and they're pretty clever, at least compared to the old ones. They still don't make good spies, though.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 11, 2010, 12:35:38 am
Post by: Siquo on June 11, 2010, 03:56:27 am
That'll teach 'em.
Post by: Toady Two on June 11, 2010, 04:04:13 am
Post by: Charmander on June 11, 2010, 04:46:52 am
Notice how the engie is right handed and yet... The scope-like thing is for left handed people. Also, the case ejection system is for left handed people... Which means that whenever he pumped the shottie, a case would fly right onto his face.You know this is basically the case with 98% of guns in video games, right?
Valve fails at design.
Spent casings flying everywhere is COOL.
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on June 11, 2010, 06:20:12 am
Notice how the engie is right handed and yet... The scope-like thing is for left handed people. Also, the case ejection system is for left handed people... Which means that whenever he pumped the shottie, a case would fly right onto his face.
Valve fails at design.
I don't think that is a scope. More a laser dot sight.
Post by: Volatar on June 11, 2010, 06:44:06 am
Windows already has a number of unlocks- namely, all the unlocks released so far, particularly the soldier badge (which was time-limited and all taken before the release on mac). Then there's the other badges, which can only appear when you've played for years now. So for the next few years at least, your Mac players will never get the Grizzled Veteran badge- right?
You don't have to re-buy the game. You just log in on the mac. Most mac players have been dual-booting their machines to play TF2 already, and have as many unlocks and as much skill as the rest of you (or in some cases more.)
Post by: Jreengus on June 11, 2010, 09:50:24 am
Post by: Pathos on June 11, 2010, 10:53:12 am
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to want to play on my computer. Spends aaaaages downloading stuff off servers.
Post by: Evilgrim on June 11, 2010, 10:56:57 am
Because me and my Heavy Chums were having a dashingly good meal, and I fear this may ruin it.
Post by: Volatar on June 11, 2010, 11:08:32 am
I've got a free guest pass if anyone wants to play until the 25th.
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to want to play on my computer. Spends aaaaages downloading stuff off servers.
Everyone can play free for this weekend, so why don't you wait on that :)
Post by: Charmander on June 11, 2010, 11:11:09 am
Either that or this is a subtle "give us money" tactic.
Post by: Nilocy on June 11, 2010, 11:40:46 am
Guess once I got Sentry Gunner, the server figured that there was nothing more to live for.
Either that or this is a subtle "give us money" tactic.
::)
Post by: Apple Master on June 11, 2010, 12:58:09 pm
Post by: Schilcote on June 11, 2010, 01:29:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R__OclUnd0Y
Post by: Soulwynd on June 11, 2010, 01:45:23 pm
(And on that same note. (http://nerfnow.com/comic/25))
Post by: TimA on June 11, 2010, 02:11:34 pm
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to want to play on my computer. Spends aaaaages downloading stuff off servers.
This probably isn't your problem, but just so you know, you can control the level to which custom content is downloaded from servers to your computer in options, to nothing if you like. Very useful in avoiding the annoying sound effects which some server admins find so amusing.
Post by: Rashilul on June 11, 2010, 02:30:09 pm
Maybe I'll buy it. If it's really good.
Post by: dragnar on June 11, 2010, 02:40:58 pm
Post by: Rashilul on June 11, 2010, 03:27:34 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 11, 2010, 03:29:25 pm
Post by: Lumbajak on June 11, 2010, 03:38:22 pm
Is this true or just a dumb rumour?
Post by: Strange guy on June 11, 2010, 04:10:45 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 11, 2010, 04:32:00 pm
Post by: NEOPhyte on June 11, 2010, 04:41:04 pm
Do you need to log into STEAM, or TF2 on mac to get the earbuds?As I understand it, you need to play a round long enough to die, then you'll get it.
Post by: Volatar on June 11, 2010, 04:47:09 pm
Do you need to log into STEAM, or TF2 on mac to get the earbuds?As I understand it, you need to play a round long enough to die, then you'll get it.
Nope. All you have to do is start TF2.
Post by: Nilocy on June 11, 2010, 07:44:05 pm
Bad news, I seemed to have forced people to pay under the pretense that the bill was this month................ APOLOGISES IF I TOOK VALUEABLE MONIES AWAY. BUT ILL LIKE REPAY WITH... FAVOURS IF IT WAS A PROBLEM :(
Post by: Strange guy on June 11, 2010, 07:52:37 pm
Also what do people think of the new menus? I really preferred the old one, even if just so the background is left unobscured. If Valve reduced the whitespace or made it transparent I wouldn't mind it that much, though I'd still like a old menu option somewhere and I'm tempted to install a mod that changes to the old menu.
Post by: Charmander on June 11, 2010, 07:54:29 pm
That shall be sufficient renumeration for the hardships I have endured.
Post by: Lumbajak on June 11, 2010, 07:56:25 pm
On a serious note, what is everyone's best class? Mine seems to be Soldier followed by Scout.
Post by: Strange guy on June 11, 2010, 08:12:45 pm
Post by: Sensei on June 11, 2010, 08:27:03 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 11, 2010, 08:31:52 pm
P.S. I mean I could pull off some crazy shit as a soldier. I could rocketjump into a wall, fire another rocket into the wall right below me to get even higher. Unfortunately it's tactical uses were limited. And I can't seem to pull it off consistently anymore. Either the timing is changed, or I haven't done it in so long I can't quite get the timing right.
I guess second would be the pyro, and maybe third is a huntsman sniper. Though sniper is more a screw around class than a serious class. I get like a 1/6 kill/death ratio with him. And I have more kills with the shiv and kukri than I have with my bow.
Post by: dragnar on June 11, 2010, 08:35:28 pm
Post by: Nilocy on June 11, 2010, 08:36:10 pm
I'd probably go Engy first, since I like to buiild stuff. Second would be heavy then thirdly pyro.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 11, 2010, 08:48:25 pm
The Pyro is a bit frustrating. I rarely play as it. The Sniper can be rewarding, but ultimately I use him rarely, and only with the rifle. And, of course, the shiv.
The Heavy and Medic are ok, and as one I'm pretty much constantly near the other.
Now, the Scout is pretty nice. I like the freedom- even though I die a LOT. But my favorite is probably Engie.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 11, 2010, 08:52:47 pm
I am inept at spy. Even bots see me coming from across the map.Bot problem. They can hear and smell you, but they have a two second memory on spies.
I generally play soldier and pyro and demo. But mostly soldier and demo because they are the most mobile and damaging classes in the game. They also don't depend on your FPS going into the single digits when attempting a meatshot.
Post by: Akura on June 11, 2010, 09:07:17 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 11, 2010, 09:07:48 pm
Post by: warhammer651 on June 11, 2010, 09:29:08 pm
Add me if ou want by the way, my username is mager56723
Post by: Duuvian on June 12, 2010, 02:15:49 am
Also, the most annoying class for me to fight as a demo are probably spies and scouts.
Post by: Apple Master on June 12, 2010, 04:57:02 am
I'm okay with engineer, in that it's easy to be a cheapskate and whack a fully upgraded turret in a awesome position. I played as spy briefly and managed to score a flag, after backstabbing 3 people defending the flag, but hey.
Annnnnd I really would like my PC to be able to run it so I can play more, but I can only fit one PCI low profile card and dammit they're hard to find.
Post by: Myroc on June 12, 2010, 04:57:09 am
* Airblast a rocket into a soldiers face at close to melee-range. (...though I take damage as well.)
* Successfully ambush and kill a revved up heavy and survive. (...albeit with single-digit hitpoints.)
* Reflect a sentry rocket into its corresponding engineer and kill him. (...though most likely dying in the process.)
* Leap into a fray and kill or mortally wound everyone. (...though again most likely dying in the process.)
Post by: Jreengus on June 12, 2010, 07:09:15 am
Also I like playing the scout even though I'm terrible at it. I used to take it seriously but now when I play scout I just relax and enjoy the speed with which I can run around and double jump. Pyro is probably my best class although how I do as it is highly dependant on the circumstances, I also end up getting dominated a lot by soldiers since I loathe to kill them and instead prefer to aim their rockets at nearby squishy enemies such as say the medic healing them.
Post by: Cpt.Yorange on June 12, 2010, 07:13:58 am
Post by: Schilcote on June 12, 2010, 07:20:52 am
I usually play Engineer, switching between offensive and defensive as the game changes. I really miss the custom loadout option in the original TF, where you could be an engineer with a disguise kit and a jetpack or grappling hook... I also miss all the ways a sentry could be upgraded... and two way teleporters... and that one map with the giant nuke...
I'm going to get my EzQuake installation off of my old HD and give it a spin. How similar is "Team Fortress Classic" to the original, by the way? If it's just like it, I'd rather play that. Normally I don't complain about graphics, but when there's no way to tell which team someone's on...
When I'm on Blu in Payload though, I usually play Pyro, though it seems that I can get a whole lot more kills with a Demo or a Spy (dead ringer FTW).
Post by: Myroc on June 12, 2010, 09:02:38 am
Post by: Schilcote on June 12, 2010, 09:20:28 am
The most bad-ass thing I've ever done as a Pyro to this date was hadokening a charging demoman. Entirely by accident. No really, I killed someone with a shotgun, proceeded to taunt him, then while taunting, a demoknight appears, notices me, and charges... right into my hadoken.
One time I did something similar with the Spy, though on purpose. Someone was chasing me, and I knew I was going to die if he shot me, so I ran around the corner, brought out the knife, pressed G... And he walked right into it. Of course, the Spy's taunt hits three times (but only the last one is perfectly lethal).
Post by: Volatar on June 12, 2010, 09:33:23 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 12, 2010, 10:37:16 am
Still, at close range airblasting is based on luck. There are just not enough frames at that range for a normal human to react to, and especially not with lag issues. Airblasting is a medium-range thing, and predicting when your foe will fire thing.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 12, 2010, 12:18:10 pm
Still, at close range airblasting is based on luck.It also helps to predict the time another rocket will be fired, though a smart soldier will usually wait a moment to throw you off.
I once killed two soldiers by reflecting their rockets at the same time into the ground, killed both of them. This was before the airblast buff, and it was plenty to paste 'em.
We were the only three people on the server.
Post by: Apple Master on June 12, 2010, 02:16:54 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 12, 2010, 02:27:22 pm
So yeah, no more demo and pyro attacks. I'll be going medic, heavy and soldier on pure offense now. And making sure I follow another dude and not go myself.
Post by: Apple Master on June 12, 2010, 04:20:02 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 12, 2010, 04:47:13 pm
On whichever map it is that has vents, it's great to cloak your way into their vents, then disguise and drop down next to their intelligence.Too risky, the vents are quite a high traffic area and you're very likely to get bumped into. You're better off waiting for the gate to open then running up the stairs on the right. It's a nice wide stairway so you can dodge anyone running down and avoid detection.
Post by: Schilcote on June 12, 2010, 04:56:16 pm
I killed a soldier with a reflected huntsman arrow yesterday. It was glorious!
Speaking of Huntsmans, you can blast friendly Snipers who have it with your flamethrower and the next arrow they fire will ignite the target.
Post by: Volatar on June 12, 2010, 04:57:39 pm
I killed a soldier with a reflected huntsman arrow yesterday. It was glorious!
Speaking of Huntsmans, you can blast friendly Snipers who have it with your flamethrower and the next arrow they fire will ignite the target.
I know. Its fun ;D
Post by: Evilgrim on June 12, 2010, 05:01:47 pm
Quote
HUNTSMAN FIRE ARROWS.
But what sucks is the Pyro's don't even get an assist.
*Sad face*
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 12, 2010, 05:10:48 pm
I thought they fixed this?QuoteHUNTSMAN FIRE ARROWS.
But what sucks is the Pyro's don't even get an assist.
*Sad face*
Post by: Evilgrim on June 12, 2010, 05:19:46 pm
'Cause I didn't get an assist today.
:3
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 12, 2010, 05:25:12 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 12, 2010, 05:45:43 pm
Post by: Cpt.Yorange on June 12, 2010, 06:23:30 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on June 12, 2010, 06:44:49 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 12, 2010, 07:35:20 pm
I can answer this one a flaming arrow still registers ads the entity prijectile_arrow even when on fire so there is no way of adding the assist to it for the time being but i believe there is a fix on the way, also there is a little easter egg in the new tf2 loadout screen when you get a stat for the pyro it states why not try using HER to beat your recordThat was already mentioned, it actually randomly switches between him and her.
Post by: umiman on June 13, 2010, 04:40:49 am
Well then. Bricks were shat. (This CAN be done In-Game) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WS7J08zPW0&playnext_from=TL&videos=XGqhWt7D8TQ&feature=grec_index)WHAT?!
Post by: Someguyo on June 13, 2010, 06:11:55 am
I've gotten much better as soldier. I remember when it seemed so damn hard to airshot. Especially as a demo. But I seem to be better with airshots as a demo than a soldier, but worse with juggling...
Also yay I beat rj_rckteer_adv finally. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brg-9Fb3cfw)
Post by: Strange guy on June 13, 2010, 06:26:42 am
Well then. Bricks were shat. (This CAN be done In-Game) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WS7J08zPW0&playnext_from=TL&videos=XGqhWt7D8TQ&feature=grec_index)I'm pretty sure that got changed a while ago, and since the video is over a year old it does fit. Still I could be wrong, but I won't believe until I see it in-game or in a recent video.
Post by: MrWiggles on June 13, 2010, 06:31:22 am
Graphically it looks better then the XBox version.
Its fine too. There is some issue with the sound lapsing during large games with a lot poeple on the screen at once.
I dont think I can go back to the neutered Xbox version.
Post by: Duuvian on June 13, 2010, 07:17:19 am
If you'd like to use it for something else for the TF2 server, that is fine too.
This site is a youtube type site, but it will play audio files.
http://www.box.net/shared/oe74hjs791
Also, I'm not sure what copyright laws would be in regard to putting it up on the server... or even me posting it in public like this. If anyone knows whether or not I could get in trouble, please let me know in a PM to make sure I see it. I just did it for fun and not for money.
However, my thoughts are if you can't use it in Valve's own game after it's been significantly modified for free then that would be silly so I'd assume it's safe to use.
Also, there is one small gap of silence near the end that I'll fix tomorrow, I just missed a spot when I was fixing the other small gaps.
Post by: Orkel on June 13, 2010, 10:07:43 am
"what the hell was that angled charge"
"fuck you"
"goddamnit orkel"
"how did you do that"
It's awesome. It works with the 360 controller aswell. Valve patched the charge-turning on mouse, but they forgot to patch it on gamepads (360 controller) and Falcon players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHUoWUFMo_E
Post by: Nilocy on June 13, 2010, 10:52:08 am
Hi. I was wondering who hosts the TF2 server. I just modified the TF2 theme song tonight, I was wondering if you'd like to use it as an end of round sound effect if that's possible, to play while one team tries to hide and the other team gets free kills before the next round.
If you'd like to use it for something else for the TF2 server, that is fine too.
This site is a youtube type site, but it will play audio files.
http://www.box.net/shared/oe74hjs791
Also, I'm not sure what copyright laws would be in regard to putting it up on the server... or even me posting it in public like this. If anyone knows whether or not I could get in trouble, please let me know in a PM to make sure I see it. I just did it for fun and not for money.
However, my thoughts are if you can't use it in Valve's own game after it's been significantly modified for free then that would be silly so I'd assume it's safe to use.
Also, there is one small gap of silence near the end that I'll fix tomorrow, I just missed a spot when I was fixing the other small gaps.
Nice work (rather wonky but still funny), but I doubt I'll be putting anything like this in. I've never really liked servers that have custom sound files playing at the beginning/middle/end or really anywhere, they annoy people who use mics to communicate and just get... really really repetitive.
Post by: Greiger on June 13, 2010, 10:59:58 am
If a gamepad user can do that, I just need to find some way to give him one of my eyelanders and targes and he might spend enough time not getting slaughtered to actually become legitimately competent.
Post by: fenrif on June 13, 2010, 12:09:10 pm
Post by: LASD on June 13, 2010, 04:06:24 pm
No matter though, the game was great and I felt mighty strong playing against the new guys. Our server might not have clan-server like competitiveness, but there's some really good players as regulars. It took a game without them to really see that.
Post by: Nilocy on June 13, 2010, 06:54:43 pm
Well, that was strange. I joined the server as I noticed there was 22 people there. When I got in I noticed they were all strangers, not single familiar face in sight. Looks like the free weekenders are roaming wild on our server and are attracting other people to join too.
No matter though, the game was great and I felt mighty strong playing against the new guys. Our server might not have clan-server like competitiveness, but there's some really good players as regulars. It took a game without them to really see that.
Yeah, thats one of our best exports on the server. We just have a very very good member base who play regulary. So we like all know each other, and chat. But when theres no-one you know on (which has been happening all weekend) then it becomes very awkward...
Post by: Onlyhestands on June 13, 2010, 07:26:32 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 13, 2010, 08:09:26 pm
Post by: Volatar on June 13, 2010, 08:13:00 pm
So, having played on the server a few times, any chance I could be a [DFC]?
All you need to do is join the Steam group, here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress
Post by: Nilocy on June 13, 2010, 08:24:03 pm
Post by: The Doctor on June 13, 2010, 10:01:03 pm
Post by: Eviltyphoon on June 14, 2010, 12:32:19 pm
Then swear allegiance to me, my country and pay me a $1million
Done.
Are you guys finally gonna recognise me when I join now? (ingame: SuperStormTrooper)
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Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The major changes include:
Team Fortress 2
Fixed client crash when rendering model panels
Fixed client crash when rendering text strings
Fixed client crash in the main menu
Fixed server crash related to bots and health kits
Post by: Zai on June 17, 2010, 09:27:37 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 17, 2010, 09:58:30 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 17, 2010, 10:41:17 pm
Is there any rumors on the new unlocks?
Only the engie's fancy gun in the mac/win trailer.
The consensus seems the be that it's a mini-turret the engie can throw down to set up instantly.
Post by: Mr.Person on June 18, 2010, 03:44:09 am
There's the laser sentry kill icon currently sitting around in the game files. I'm pretty certain that means we're getting a laser sentry in addition to the Engineer's fancy new shotgun.
Post by: Duuvian on June 18, 2010, 11:46:24 am
Or it could just be a tight spread shotgun, but it would have to be a pretty tight spread for it to be worth looking down a scope to use.
By the way, I fixed up the modified TF2 theme and removed the gaps. I know the DFC server doesn't want to use it for a good reason, so I'm just posting it here in case anyone else who runs a server or knows someone who does wants to use it for something server related (pm me and I can turn down the volume if needed and you don't know how to, otherwise do whatever you want with it short of make money or get me in trouble somehow)
http://www.box.net/shared/mmf562o5u2
Post by: Strange guy on June 18, 2010, 01:31:31 pm
The shotgun is almost definitely Morgan- it's a very popular community idea with concept art very similar to the model we saw. However I'm not convinced it will end up in game- Morgan has a few issues (eg it is meant to encourage offensive play but losing your shotgun is very bad for a offensive engineer) and doing an almost straight forward reveal doesn't fit in with the other updates or the various engineer update clues (like the hammer or 'robot' parts).
Post by: Mr.Person on June 18, 2010, 01:39:36 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 18, 2010, 02:23:13 pm
Post by: Myroc on June 19, 2010, 03:34:43 pm
Post by: fenrif on June 19, 2010, 03:47:34 pm
I'm assuming it's something to do with me running steam from an old windows install, should probobly reinstall it I suppose.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 19, 2010, 04:13:15 pm
The thing about Morgan is it encourages the engineer to be offensive by allowing them to build while still engaging in combat, and they can do things like pop in, throw down the gun for distraction, then move elsewhere and throw up a turret.I'd probably throw it down and whip out my pistol for some concentrated fire.
Post by: Jreengus on June 19, 2010, 04:44:11 pm
The thing about Morgan is it encourages the engineer to be offensive by allowing them to build while still engaging in combat, and they can do things like pop in, throw down the gun for distraction, then move elsewhere and throw up a turret.I'd say it encourages defensive play, a second turret to cover your first one's weakness is a major buff for defensive play. Offensively it sucks because you've just lost your most powerful weapon in exchange for a turret which either dies to anyone who is paying even a tiny bit of attention or else is OP.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 19, 2010, 05:12:56 pm
I do think that this sort of item would increase player's respect for the pistol, you seriously shouldn't underestimate that thing.The thing about Morgan is it encourages the engineer to be offensive by allowing them to build while still engaging in combat, and they can do things like pop in, throw down the gun for distraction, then move elsewhere and throw up a turret.I'd say it encourages defensive play, a second turret to cover your first one's weakness is a major buff for defensive play. Offensively it sucks because you've just lost your most powerful weapon in exchange for a turret which either dies to anyone who is paying even a tiny bit of attention or else is OP.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 19, 2010, 05:14:47 pm
Looking up has a weird difficulty to it.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 19, 2010, 06:51:53 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 19, 2010, 07:16:21 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on June 19, 2010, 07:49:35 pm
T he shotgun does more damage maybe, but the pistol is great for that after-kill taunt.
Post by: Org on June 19, 2010, 07:50:22 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 19, 2010, 07:55:41 pm
lol jakkarra is bad-ass.Ultra-flattering-fix'd.
Post by: Org on June 19, 2010, 08:27:36 pm
XKCD reference-fix'd.lol jakkarra is a bad ass-player.Ultra-flattering-fix'd.
That sounds bad.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 19, 2010, 11:19:04 pm
*inno*XKCD reference-fix'd.lol jakkarra is an ass.Ultra-flattering-fix'd.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 19, 2010, 11:53:01 pm
Ok, I gotta admit that one is true.*inno*XKCD reference-fix'd.lol jakkarra is an ass.Ultra-flattering-fix'd.
Post by: Jakkarra on June 20, 2010, 04:40:44 am
Amidoinitrite Edit.Ok, I gotta admit that one is true.*inno*XKCD reference-fix'd.lol jakkarra is a pretty cool guy, he kills mediks and dosent afraid of anything.Ultra-flattering-fix'd.
Post by: Jreengus on June 20, 2010, 05:23:58 am
Urdoinrite, quotepyramidrite.Amidoinitrite Edit.Ok, I gotta admit that one is true.*inno*XKCD reference-fix'd.lol jakkarra is a pretty cool guy, he kills mediks and dosent afraid of anything.Ultra-flattering-fix'd.
Post by: Siquo on June 20, 2010, 05:28:42 am
Unlike Jakarra... :)
Post by: Jakkarra on June 20, 2010, 07:11:09 am
B: Go to hell.
Post by: Siquo on June 20, 2010, 10:02:03 am
;)
Post by: zchris13 on June 20, 2010, 10:34:37 am
Post by: Evilgrim on June 20, 2010, 02:34:08 pm
And do I love this game.
Reason for this post?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101503-Kotick-Wants-Call-of-Duty-Subscriptions-Tomorrow
And somebody should teach me how to use [url].
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 20, 2010, 02:40:31 pm
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[url=(site url here)]whatever text you want[/url]
Post by: Sensei on June 20, 2010, 03:11:46 pm
Fuck do I love you guys.Everyone who said lack of dedicated servers was a slippery slope is vindicated now.
And do I love this game.
Reason for this post?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101503-Kotick-Wants-Call-of-Duty-Subscriptions-Tomorrow
And somebody should teach me how to use [url].
Post by: Jakkarra on June 20, 2010, 07:59:46 pm
Weird. The first time someone tells you you're not annoying, and I'm told to go to hell?!
;)
Spies are MEANT to be annoying!
Post by: Siquo on June 21, 2010, 02:40:48 am
Well, I played the server empty yesterday, sorry to all who got owned.
Post by: Walliard on June 21, 2010, 10:03:45 am
Spies are MEANT to be annoying!
No, Spies are meant to be infuriating. Scouts are meant to be annoying.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 21, 2010, 11:25:16 am
Post by: dragnar on June 21, 2010, 11:27:22 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 21, 2010, 11:28:46 am
Post by: Sensei on June 21, 2010, 11:29:15 am
No, scouts are meant to inform engineers of good dispenser locations, snipers are meant to be annoying. :)
What's with this? I never need a dispenser as scout; nor do I see lots of people calling for them.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 21, 2010, 11:33:22 am
Post by: Sensei on June 21, 2010, 11:40:49 am
Post by: Puck on June 21, 2010, 11:45:36 am
"Dispenser goes here!"
and all of a sudden everybody on voicecomms is like
"Dispenser goes where?!?"
oh and...
The memes are funnier when they draw on real experiences (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5733044300866646599#).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvlRQ90c9Bk not related, apart from being BF2... and... funnierest.
Well, maybe that's because the funny bits are Monty Python and whatnot.
Post by: Org on June 21, 2010, 09:42:40 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on June 22, 2010, 06:21:48 am
ORG IS GOOD SPY.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaghahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah
Post by: Siquo on June 22, 2010, 06:59:30 am
Post by: Jakkarra on June 22, 2010, 07:15:58 am
Post by: Org on June 22, 2010, 08:42:23 am
But Org is bad and he should feel Bad.No. I am good.
Except when the stupid backstabs don't work.
Post by: zchris13 on June 22, 2010, 09:46:53 am
Post by: Ze Spy on June 22, 2010, 07:41:17 pm
FACESTABS
Post by: Ze Spy on June 25, 2010, 07:47:53 am
might as well be a Mega-Bump , but who the fuck cares
Post by: Org on June 25, 2010, 09:01:57 am
Post by: PTTG?? on June 25, 2010, 11:34:32 am
It's a knife for the spy that works LIKE the current one, however, it only kills on a headshot to the front. Otherwise it does significantly less damage.
Post by: debvon on June 25, 2010, 11:38:10 am
I know it's not the same thing but.. still. NO!
Post by: Sensei on June 25, 2010, 01:17:16 pm
Otherwise it does significantly less damage.
The only thing that could do significantly less damage than the Spy's knife is a spoon.
Post by: Org on June 25, 2010, 01:19:55 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 25, 2010, 01:20:23 pm
No you misunderstand it actually heals your enemy. Beware though it heals your enemy up to +1000 overheal which doesn't degrade.Otherwise it does significantly less damage.
The only thing that could do significantly less damage than the Spy's knife is a spoon.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 25, 2010, 01:26:39 pm
How about a Medi-GUn that doesn;t heal, but hurts? UBER CHARGER IS INSTA DEATHI'd actually like it if Medic got some sort of black magic stuff. Left click does a continuous stream of mild hurt, while left click shoots almost a bolt of it.
But that's just silly.
Post by: dragnar on June 25, 2010, 01:32:43 pm
...A Final Fantasy mod! Black and white mages for medic and pyro, a ninja for the spy, summoner for the demo, etc!How about a Medi-GUn that doesn;t heal, but hurts? UBER CHARGER IS INSTA DEATHI'd actually like it if Medic got some sort of black magic stuff. Left click does a continuous stream of mild hurt, while left click shoots almost a bolt of it.
But that's just silly.
Post by: Myroc on June 25, 2010, 01:39:17 pm
I wholeheartedly support this idea....A Final Fantasy mod! Black and white mages for medic and pyro, a ninja for the spy, summoner for the demo, etc!How about a Medi-GUn that doesn;t heal, but hurts? UBER CHARGER IS INSTA DEATHI'd actually like it if Medic got some sort of black magic stuff. Left click does a continuous stream of mild hurt, while left click shoots almost a bolt of it.
But that's just silly.
Post by: Schilcote on June 25, 2010, 04:53:49 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on June 25, 2010, 05:51:22 pm
Post by: Org on June 25, 2010, 05:52:01 pm
Post by: Ze Spy on June 25, 2010, 10:04:50 pm
also , TFC's Medigun is a Medkit , you are going to need to run up close to someone just to heal them with that
oh , and those freakin' nades
Post by: Soulwynd on June 25, 2010, 10:16:14 pm
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-TFBot Changes
--Medics now respond when nearby humans call for Medic
--If a Medic Bot is healing you and has an ÜberCharge ready, use the voice commands "Go go go!" or "Activate Charge!" to force the Bot to activate the ÜberCharge
Post by: Ze Spy on June 25, 2010, 11:44:49 pm
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Scout : DO IT! DOC! DO IT!
Medic : SCHNELL! GO GET ZEM!*Ubercharge*
Scout : we are in the spawn
..............................
so its a pretty bad idea
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 26, 2010, 12:14:34 am
Post by: Schilcote on June 26, 2010, 08:51:31 am
there wasnt a medigun, it was a medkit.
Original, not TFC. I never played TFC.
Post by: Siquo on June 26, 2010, 02:21:46 pm
Post by: Bandages on June 26, 2010, 04:00:31 pm
THAT IS ALL.
Post by: Siquo on June 26, 2010, 04:10:21 pm
Post by: Sensei on June 26, 2010, 04:43:37 pm
Post by: Bandages on June 26, 2010, 05:01:03 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 26, 2010, 07:06:14 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 26, 2010, 08:57:05 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on June 26, 2010, 09:12:57 pm
Post by: Jreengus on June 27, 2010, 05:15:49 am
Post by: nuker w on June 27, 2010, 07:17:04 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 27, 2010, 07:21:44 am
Right, asking this is going to end up like asking the Pope if being religous is worth it but i'm gona do it anyway. I've got a little spare cash floating around and well... Should I buy this game? Yea I just asked. A basic description would be nice please. Thanks in advance.If your looking for a top notch multiplayer FPS, there probably isn't much better than TF2. Class balance is very well done(although demo's are BS alot of the time). Gameplay is very enjoyable most of the time. The only times I tend to not have fun is when there is consistant steamrolling, and sadly that happens a little more often than I'd like. Still, find a good server with friends and people that aren't gods among men, and you'll have a great time.
Post by: fenrif on June 27, 2010, 07:45:36 am
It's one of the few games that still gets continual free content added, and that alone should make it worth clicking the purchase button. :P
Post by: mattie2009 on June 27, 2010, 08:06:28 am
Your options are Easy/Medium/Hard, but it's actually more of Challenging/Insane/"Fuck You Player".
Also, the AI doesn't automatically go "LOL U R SPAI I SHOOT YOU NAO" when they see you disguised, they stare at you for about five seconds before going "LOL U R SPAI I SHOOT YOU NOW". There's a difference. Also, my own little hilarious moment.
It was Nucleus on KotH, and I was a sniper. An enemy soldier was backpedalling towards me, and I was zoomed in. One full-power scoping later, I descoped to reload and saw the death of the soldier.
He had gone into a pose like it was a cartoon and I'd panned him in the head with a blunt object before falling backwards. It was AWESOME.
Next round I went up to the top floor, almost killed a heavy... And then an enemy pyro flamed me. It sucked.
Post by: Org on June 27, 2010, 08:07:25 am
Post by: mattie2009 on June 27, 2010, 11:49:50 am
CAT WITH LASERBEAM EYES, TELEKINESIS PAWS, BEE-SPITTING AND MOTHERFUCKING NUKE.
WHAT THE HELL
Post by: Schilcote on June 27, 2010, 11:58:07 am
http://kotaku.com/5572186/armageddon-cat-will-ruin-your-team-fortress-2-achievement-dreams
CAT WITH LASERBEAM EYES, TELEKINESIS PAWS, BEE-SPITTING AND MOTHERFUCKING NUKE.
WHAT THE HELL
Obviously related to Tacgnol.
That's because it's the dead ringer. I was playing Medic the other day, and chasing a DR spy. Saw'd him to fake death, then sawed him ANOTHER SIX FRIKKIN' TIMES in rapid succession and he wouldn't die.
Don't hit DR spies with your melee weapon. Just because the medic can't take him down doesn't mean he's overpowered, the medic isn't supposed to be able to do that. I've been killed plenty of times with my ringer out by soldiers, pyros, heavies, other spies, even pissed-off engineers...
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 27, 2010, 12:00:21 pm
DR only really works when you can either get away or there are tons of dropped weapons around. And more and more people can track a DR spy when in invincibility mode.
Post by: Schilcote on June 27, 2010, 12:06:31 pm
Don't hit them with your melee weapon? That is like the strongest weapon at the medics disposal. Not to mention with the high crit chance they get the Spy would be wrecked.
DR only really works when you can either get away or there are tons of dropped weapons around. And more and more people can track a DR spy when in invincibility mode.
I know, the guy was complaining about not being able to kill the spy with his bonesaw and I replied by saying you aren't supposed to be able to.
It might have been that there was a health container you didn't know about. That's the first thing you're supposed to do after you get hit with the ringer, find some meds.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 27, 2010, 12:43:05 pm
Post by: Schilcote on June 27, 2010, 02:26:01 pm
Huh. First thing I do when I activate the DR is get an ammo pack to recharge the ringer. Everybody searches for you the first time around, but the second fake death you can escape wonderfully.
Well, considering the two are usually right next to eachother...
Post by: dragnar on June 27, 2010, 04:04:15 pm
Post by: Schilcote on June 27, 2010, 04:12:28 pm
You mean something shouldn't die when I hit it six times after it's cloaked. This is a spy we're talking here, not a Heavy.
Six times.
If it's getting a medkit every time... yeah. Or do you mean one after another? If that's so, then how do you know you were hitting him?
Post by: Soulwynd on June 27, 2010, 04:13:59 pm
What? The DR doesn't give any damage reduction. Only the first blow, the one that "kills" the spy is reduced by it.Uh, Sorry but you're wrong... DR reduces all incoming damage while active. You're nearly immortal while invisible.
Fun facts from the TF2 wiki:
The Spy will take only 10% damage from attacks while he is cloaked, including the initial triggering attack.
Using the Dead Ringer, It is possible to survive: a deadly fall (non-trigger), 16 stickies, taunt attacks, fully-charged headshots, backstabs, and the initial hit by a train or saw blade.
Post by: Schilcote on June 27, 2010, 04:16:20 pm
What? The DR doesn't give any damage reduction. Only the first blow, the one that "kills" the spy is reduced by it.Uh, Sorry but you're wrong... DR reduces all incoming damage while active. You're nearly immortal while invisible.
Really? Very odd, in my experience a stray hit from a Heavy's minigun can kill you with the ringer out after it cloaks you. Strange. Are you sure that's not a typo?
Post by: dragnar on June 27, 2010, 04:17:57 pm
Yeah, I know the initial blow won't kill you unless you only have a couple HP, otherwise you can take anything, but I don't use the DR because I never survive long enough to escape while cloaked. Some pyro always lights me on fire...What? The DR doesn't give any damage reduction. Only the first blow, the one that "kills" the spy is reduced by it.Uh, Sorry but you're wrong... DR reduces all incoming damage while active. You're nearly immortal while invisible.
Really? Very odd, in my experience a stray hit from a Heavy's minigun can kill you with the ringer out after it cloaks you. Strange. Are you sure that's not a typo?
Post by: Schilcote on June 27, 2010, 04:19:39 pm
Yeah, I know the initial blow won't kill you unless you only have a couple HP, otherwise you can take anything, but I don't use the DR because I never survive long enough to escape while cloaked. Some pyro always lights me on fire...What? The DR doesn't give any damage reduction. Only the first blow, the one that "kills" the spy is reduced by it.Uh, Sorry but you're wrong... DR reduces all incoming damage while active. You're nearly immortal while invisible.
Really? Very odd, in my experience a stray hit from a Heavy's minigun can kill you with the ringer out after it cloaks you. Strange. Are you sure that's not a typo?
Well yeah, the initial blow being harmless is the whole point, but after that initial hit...
Post by: Soulwynd on June 27, 2010, 04:21:04 pm
If you want to test, have a friend with a pistol stand at point blank to you, shoot you with it so you can check the damage, it should be around ~20hp, and then turn your DR on and have him shoot non-stop. You take only 2hp damage from the pistol at point blank when the DR is active. You also take 0 to 1 hp of damage from the flamethrower after burn when it's active. And so on.
Again, DR reduces -ALL- damage while active. The after burn means nothing to a DR spy... until the cloak runs out, that is.
Post by: The Doctor on June 27, 2010, 05:26:19 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 27, 2010, 05:29:47 pm
Also, everyone can see you, so they can just wait.Only if you're on fire/bleeding or took some metal and bumped into someone.
If you bump into someone without taking metal after activating the DR you're fully invisible.
Post by: The Doctor on June 27, 2010, 05:45:41 pm
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2010, 04:43:23 am
That explains why I have to burn them for 2 hours before they die... That's a bit... overpowered.What? The DR doesn't give any damage reduction. Only the first blow, the one that "kills" the spy is reduced by it.Uh, Sorry but you're wrong... DR reduces all incoming damage while active. You're nearly immortal while invisible.
Fun facts from the TF2 wiki:
The Spy will take only 10% damage from attacks while he is cloaked, including the initial triggering attack.
Using the Dead Ringer, It is possible to survive: a deadly fall (non-trigger), 16 stickies, taunt attacks, fully-charged headshots, backstabs, and the initial hit by a train or saw blade.
Post by: Nilocy on June 28, 2010, 04:51:19 am
That explains why I have to burn them for 2 hours before they die... That's a bit... overpowered.What? The DR doesn't give any damage reduction. Only the first blow, the one that "kills" the spy is reduced by it.Uh, Sorry but you're wrong... DR reduces all incoming damage while active. You're nearly immortal while invisible.
Fun facts from the TF2 wiki:
The Spy will take only 10% damage from attacks while he is cloaked, including the initial triggering attack.
Using the Dead Ringer, It is possible to survive: a deadly fall (non-trigger), 16 stickies, taunt attacks, fully-charged headshots, backstabs, and the initial hit by a train or saw blade.
Not really, since if they are on fire, you can follow them until they're forced to uncloak.
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2010, 06:11:30 am
In other news, I've been playing the solly more, and switched back from the direct hit to the regular rocket launcher (took a bit of getting used to), and demo with normal stickies. Mostly because I hate sentryguns. I'm also using the pain train regularly, since I like winning more than getting more kills.
Post by: ILikePie on June 28, 2010, 06:28:10 am
Anyway, I also noticed the DFC server empty, has it been abandoned or am I just not logging on at the right time? Anyway, in-game name is Galumph, I'd love to play some games with you guys.
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2010, 06:33:51 am
The problem is nobody likes hanging around on an empty server waiting for others to join. Sometimes there's 1 person, then I join to get the number up, but then he's gone by the time I'm on the server.
Post by: ILikePie on June 28, 2010, 06:37:45 am
Post by: Ze Spy on June 28, 2010, 08:58:54 am
if you taunt with the equlizer out and switch to another weapon right before the taunt starts ,the weapon Held won't be registered as the Equlizer and thus you can be healed while taunt-killing with the equlizer
Post by: Jakkarra on June 28, 2010, 10:42:35 am
Ripe...
Glistening...
Inviting...
Backs Won't have to worry much right now, i'm trying out other classes, mostly Ninjaneering and Battlenging, So you neednt watch for me Up your ass as much!
(You should still watch though, Wrenches fit there too.)
Post by: Org on June 28, 2010, 11:01:28 am
Post by: Evilgrim on June 28, 2010, 11:06:09 am
But I have no idea where it's from..
Oh yeah, Server's up. Anyone interested in a game?
Post by: dragnar on June 28, 2010, 11:13:36 am
Ninjaneering?I'm guessing he intends to place teleporters behind enemy lines, hidden away for attacks from the rear... though that's still backstabbing really.
Post by: returntonull on June 28, 2010, 11:18:28 am
Ninjaneering?
Guerrilla engineering... most annoying when you find a level 1 sentry in the middle of where your trying to fight, pinging your ass as the engineer runs in from the other side while you're distracted with a shotgun to the face.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2010, 11:27:34 am
They only have 6 seconds of near-uber. If they take any metal in the mean time to recharge the cloak, the DR becomes a C&D effect, meaning your damage reduction is gone and you become visible if you bump on someone. The best thing for a pyro to do is to AB them into corners until they run out of cloak and then flame them up. If you're a back burner pyro just burn their back, the critical hit is high enough to inflict some nice damage even while they're cloaked.That explains why I have to burn them for 2 hours before they die... That's a bit... overpowered.What? The DR doesn't give any damage reduction. Only the first blow, the one that "kills" the spy is reduced by it.Uh, Sorry but you're wrong... DR reduces all incoming damage while active. You're nearly immortal while invisible.
Fun facts from the TF2 wiki:
The Spy will take only 10% damage from attacks while he is cloaked, including the initial triggering attack.
Using the Dead Ringer, It is possible to survive: a deadly fall (non-trigger), 16 stickies, taunt attacks, fully-charged headshots, backstabs, and the initial hit by a train or saw blade.
Not really, since if they are on fire, you can follow them until they're forced to uncloak.
Post by: Nilocy on June 28, 2010, 12:42:18 pm
Also, I'm really surprised that word caught on... I can't help but wonder if I was the person who came up with it...
Post by: Volatar on June 28, 2010, 12:49:49 pm
They only have 6 seconds of near-uber. If they take any metal in the mean time to recharge the cloak, the DR becomes a C&D effect, meaning your damage reduction is gone and you become visible if you bump on someone. The best thing for a pyro to do is to AB them into corners until they run out of cloak and then flame them up. If you're a back burner pyro just burn their back, the critical hit is high enough to inflict some nice damage even while they're cloaked.That explains why I have to burn them for 2 hours before they die... That's a bit... overpowered.What? The DR doesn't give any damage reduction. Only the first blow, the one that "kills" the spy is reduced by it.Uh, Sorry but you're wrong... DR reduces all incoming damage while active. You're nearly immortal while invisible.
Fun facts from the TF2 wiki:
The Spy will take only 10% damage from attacks while he is cloaked, including the initial triggering attack.
Using the Dead Ringer, It is possible to survive: a deadly fall (non-trigger), 16 stickies, taunt attacks, fully-charged headshots, backstabs, and the initial hit by a train or saw blade.
Not really, since if they are on fire, you can follow them until they're forced to uncloak.
I never thought about airblasting C&Ded spies. Thats a great idea. I generally just case them down and burn burn burn them. Yours sounds like a better plan.
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2010, 01:42:52 pm
I love my rockets vs pyros. One sends them flying up, and while they come down BAM there's the second. Rockets are like airblasts with damage.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2010, 02:00:27 pm
Now I know about that damage reduction, I'll do that as well...You will start hating it when you find a good AB pyro. xD
I love my rockets vs pyros. One sends them flying up, and while they come down BAM there's the second. Rockets are like airblasts with damage.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 28, 2010, 02:10:14 pm
Then you miss your first shot intentionally, fake 'em out with the second and take 'em out with the third and fourth they didn't see coming.Now I know about that damage reduction, I'll do that as well...You will start hating it when you find a good AB pyro. xD
I love my rockets vs pyros. One sends them flying up, and while they come down BAM there's the second. Rockets are like airblasts with damage.
Despite how skilled one can be at airblasting a good deal of it IS luck at close range. You pretty much have to predict when they will fire, which can be a problem on people with exceptionally bad reflexes or know how to throw off your timing.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2010, 04:01:03 pm
Course, at this point it's a mix of luck+skill versus luck+skill, so results will vary.
Post by: Pandarsenic on June 28, 2010, 04:05:01 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2010, 04:08:35 pm
Luckily, I'm the goddamn Psychic Pyro as far as airblasting is concerned. I have inhuman deflection abilities at times.You don't have to be psychic when you're against a soldier that jumps before shooting or one that shoots right after reloading. :D
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2010, 04:46:45 pm
Unless the pyro is on to you, and you circle around eachother for half a minute before anyone makes a move. Awesome :)
So I tried some ninjaneering, and it works quite well. Setting up teleporter exits behind enemy lines is another one of my favourites.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2010, 04:50:23 pm
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2010, 04:51:54 pm
Death from above!
Post by: Ze Spy on June 29, 2010, 01:18:25 am
99.9% of the TF2 community doesn't even bother to look up , only forward and back
Post by: LASD on June 29, 2010, 03:27:47 am
99.9% of the TF2 community doesn't even bother to look up , only forward and backActually, that's people in general. It's a problem in game development, there has to be something loud and/or blinking hanging from the sky before most people take a look. I remember the developer commentary saying that people aren't accustomed to looking up as danger almost never comes from the sky in the real world.
Post by: Puck on June 29, 2010, 03:31:27 am
At any rate, I was always wondering, whether "people don't look up" was true for RL or only for game design... One step closer to an answer!
Post by: ILikePie on June 29, 2010, 04:06:42 am
I need to try playing soldier again, or maybe scout. I've never played demoman before, I could try those. How do you play demomen anyway? I see so many setups for them, some guys running around with sword, others defending with sticky bombs, and some attacking with them.
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on June 29, 2010, 04:25:51 am
Except that people have peripheral vision, and aren't just looking at the world through a narrow angle camera. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoPeripheralVision)99.9% of the TF2 community doesn't even bother to look up , only forward and backActually, that's people in general. It's a problem in game development, there has to be something loud and/or blinking hanging from the sky before most people take a look. I remember the developer commentary saying that people aren't accustomed to looking up as danger almost never comes from the sky in the real world.
Post by: Schilcote on June 29, 2010, 04:36:43 am
Except that people have peripheral vision, and aren't just looking at the world through a narrow angle camera. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoPeripheralVision)99.9% of the TF2 community doesn't even bother to look up , only forward and backActually, that's people in general. It's a problem in game development, there has to be something loud and/or blinking hanging from the sky before most people take a look. I remember the developer commentary saying that people aren't accustomed to looking up as danger almost never comes from the sky in the real world.
So do TF2 players, if you've got your FOV right. Still doesn't make you look up either.
Post by: LASD on June 29, 2010, 12:47:36 pm
Pretty nice deal I must say.
Post by: ILikePie on June 29, 2010, 02:43:10 pm
Post by: HideousBeing on June 29, 2010, 06:01:06 pm
Except that people have peripheral vision, and aren't just looking at the world through a narrow angle camera. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoPeripheralVision)
Be careful what you link to! (http://xkcd.com/609/)
Also, I need to force a friend to get this while it's on sale.
Post by: Myroc on July 01, 2010, 02:18:57 pm
Second of all...
Listen. (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4009&p=1)
Post by: Nilocy on July 01, 2010, 03:27:08 pm
First of all, your Evil Overlord is bored and demands to be entertained in a particular First Person Shooter involving teams and fortresses on a particular server which may involve dwarves, fortresses, and communities. In simpler terms, get on the DFC server now!
Second of all...
Listen. (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4009&p=1)
I'm not bored, what are you talking about nave?
Post by: Jreengus on July 01, 2010, 03:28:26 pm
Post by: Evilgrim on July 01, 2010, 05:48:50 pm
No really. Hats.
Currently, I have
-Two T3 Metals.
-Two T2 Metals
-One T1 Metal
And Two Melee tokens. [If I get another Melee item, I'm crafting it, and I'll have Three Perfect metals.]
I really want the Pyro's Brain Slug.. However, I am considering simply crafting the random one.
I mean, hat's aren't that important are they?
What I'm asking is..
Is it worth waiting for 4 Metals and a token.
Or should I just do it?
I mean, I have no hats that I Will outright "HATE" unless it's a soldier hat..
So.. Should I?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 01, 2010, 05:51:54 pm
These past days I've been compressing items for a pyro hat...
Last night, I got the respectless rubber glove.
I'm considering what other class I want to craft for instead. I'll probably do scout since I'm really enjoying it. Besides, I've already got the fedora for the spy, and I could care less about the sniper hats.
Post by: Evilgrim on July 01, 2010, 05:53:19 pm
I HAVE NO HATS.
Aside from the Gibus, but I use the gibbus for all my custom skins.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 01, 2010, 06:02:55 pm
Aside:Ah, well if it is any indication, by all means do it! I've already got hats and I'm still compressing for metal.
I HAVE NO HATS.
Post by: Evilgrim on July 01, 2010, 06:20:08 pm
Engie update?!
Where?
I DEMAND F-ING LINKS.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 01, 2010, 06:27:06 pm
What?
Engie update?!
Where?
I DEMAND F-ING LINKS.
Because if you said fuck, that would of been a travesty.
Post by: Jakkarra on July 01, 2010, 06:30:04 pm
Post by: Evilgrim on July 01, 2010, 06:35:09 pm
Yo'.
I saw Engineering Update.
I DEMAND LINKS.
Wheeee.
Post by: Puck on July 01, 2010, 06:44:58 pm
It's awesome to get back into TF2, because FPS skills arent that important. It's a lot more tactical. Or at least, it allows you to play that way.
Sure, you can try to be a hardcore frontline Engy, but if you're a bit rusty, it's just perfect to get back into the game. Similar to medic, imho.
Same goes for "fading out" a tf2 session. You know, when you're tired, but don't just want to quit yet.
And no matter how good the weather will be, I'll play a few hours of TF2, once that update hits.
Post by: Onlyhestands on July 01, 2010, 06:55:00 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 01, 2010, 07:50:08 pm
Post by: Thexor on July 01, 2010, 08:42:19 pm
Forward engies are the best engies. I like to just make sentries in places noone would expect them and constantly change their positions, setting up exits along the way. It's just so much fun~
Agreed. It's kind of... liberating... to not care if your sentry dies. If you've spent several minutes wrenching a gun up to level 3, it's annoying when a Demo kills it; when you've spent 5 seconds building a level 1 gun, trading that for a kill is a good deal. :D
Post by: Soulwynd on July 01, 2010, 08:45:35 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on July 01, 2010, 09:27:32 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 01, 2010, 09:34:19 pm
I see no one here has mentioned the golden wrench yet.I want one. I want to litter the maps with the golden bodies of my enemies.
Anyone see how it's an item that can drop?
Post by: Duuvian on July 01, 2010, 11:17:33 pm
Post by: Thexor on July 01, 2010, 11:25:50 pm
I see no one here has mentioned the golden wrench yet.
...huh.
Upon close inspection, I've concluded that the golden wrench is one of two things:
1) It's Valve preemptively adding some components of a potentially-interesting feature, or
2) It's Valve intentionally screwing with the conspiracy theorists on the SPUF.
Personally, I'm leaning towards option 2). Anyone else?
Post by: Puck on July 02, 2010, 01:14:10 am
Forward engies are the best engies.Not sure whether this is directed at my take on engies or not, but I just wanted to say that's not what I was getting at.
I was more talking about the difference between being a useful engineer, which works without ubar fps skills, and any of the more combat oriented classes.
Even as a forward engineer you don't need the bestest reaction, because you don't need to win any duels, if you play it "smart". You just need to assess the situation and know where to build your shit. And that's awesome to get in and out of TF2 after long periods of not playing/playing.
Well, of course it helps if you know how to shoot people, but it's not the most important skill.
I love me engie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae9nmKHkG9E)
Post by: Dwarfaholic on July 02, 2010, 01:44:58 am
Amidoinitright?
Post by: Thexor on July 02, 2010, 02:06:51 am
I got no hats for the first half-year after the hat update. Then I got two hats on two consecutive days: the kabuto for the soldier and the tyrolean for the medic. Since then I've managed to craft two hats. Both were the stainless pot. I crafted those. They made a crappy medic hat.
Amidoinitright?
I spent the entire time from the crafting update, until ~1 month ago, saving up items for a hat.
I got the hatless Sniper.
AmIdoinitright?
Post by: Siquo on July 02, 2010, 02:08:39 am
The sentry is nice for softening, then finish em with the shotgun. And become MVP in a full 32 player server. :D
I like my engi better now, even without updates.
Also, I've been trying the spy a bit, as its my least-played class. It's a lot more tactical, and pretty exciting to play. Adrenaline I never knew I had started pumping. I might play it more in the future, and even try out the other stealthwatches.
Next up to try is a frontline battlesniper (bow, jar, shiv).
I love how TF2 keeps being fun after... how many years now? I've got the "grizzled veteran" thingy, but can't remember how long ago that was.
Post by: LASD on July 02, 2010, 02:53:33 am
Evilgrim rarely ever swears.Here you go. (http://manno.com.br/Engineer/index.html)
Yo'.
I saw Engineering Update.
I DEMAND LINKS.
Wheeee.
Here's another, more relevant one. (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Golden_Wrench)
Post by: Sowelu on July 02, 2010, 04:32:40 am
There's strings in the wrench that look kind of like support for them "breaking". And (before they got taken down), TF2Items (which has some exclusive API access) was reporting that you could combine any class token + a golden wrench = an engineer token. So I'm guessing that a LOT of players will get a wrench, but if you use it for very long, it will break. Alternately, you can use that wrench to near-instantly get a shiny new engineer item! No need to jump through hoops to get a token.
Post by: Schilcote on July 02, 2010, 10:27:58 am
Evilgrim rarely ever swears.Here you go. (http://manno.com.br/Engineer/index.html)
Yo'.
I saw Engineering Update.
I DEMAND LINKS.
Wheeee.
Here's another, more relevant one. (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Golden_Wrench)
90...98% sure that Manno link is fake. For one thing, Valve wouldn't put stuff up on a random address, nor would they advertise a server hosting company on it. Secondly, all the internal links are IP addresses, not professionally done at all. Thirdly, Valve would never be so forthcoming with information until release day. Forthly, the fonts are off. I'm pretty sure official TF2 documents are written with a different font. Thirdly, there's
EDIT:
OrgName: Nobis Technology Group, LLC
OrgID: NTGL
Address: 201 West Olive Street
Address: Suite 2B
City: Bloomington
StateProv: IL
PostalCode: 61701
Country: US
ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.nobistech.net:4321
NetRange: 174.34.128.0 - 174.34.191.255
CIDR: 174.34.128.0/18
OriginAS: AS15003
NetName: NETBLK-NOBIS-TECHNOLOGY-GROUP-05
NetHandle: NET-174-34-128-0-1
Parent: NET-174-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.NOBISTECH.NET
NameServer: NS2.NOBISTECH.NET
Comment: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Comment: Nobis Technology Group, LLC
Comment: http://www.nobistech.net
Comment: For inquiries and complaints
Comment: about any Nobis IP address
Comment: space please contact our NOC
Comment: via e-mail at admin@nobistech.net
Comment: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
RegDate: 2008-10-28
Updated: 2008-10-28
As opposed to:
Domain Name: TEAMFORTRESS.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.VALVESOFTWARE.COM
Name Server: NS2.VALVESOFTWARE.COM
Name Server: NS3.VALVESOFTWARE.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 14-jul-2008
Creation Date: 11-sep-2004
Expiration Date: 11-sep-2010
EDIT:
And the prose, and the GMOD poses...
Post by: PTTG?? on July 02, 2010, 10:42:02 am
Post by: LASD on July 02, 2010, 10:57:55 am
Robin Walker commented on it in an interview (http://www.kritzkast.com/?page_id=521) too:
Quote
Kritzkast: There have been several fake engineer updates by the community, ranging from guard dogs to chicken guns and ammo magnets. Many of these have been very detailed and well thought out. How much notice do you take of the fakes and what’s the chance of one of these ideas seeing its way into the final build?
Robin Walker: We love these. On the game team, we love seeing interesting ideas with more thought put into them than just text. Our web team loves seeing the way these pages have used the style of our TF2 update pages to do neat stuff, often challenging us to do better ourselves (see http://www.engineer.fragfestservers.com/). Ultimately, good ideas make their way into the product by passing an analysis of what problems they solve, what benefits and disadvantages they have, the amount it costs to build and ship, and so on.
Post by: Thexor on July 02, 2010, 11:20:33 am
There's strings in the wrench that look kind of like support for them "breaking". And (before they got taken down), TF2Items (which has some exclusive API access) was reporting that you could combine any class token + a golden wrench = an engineer token. So I'm guessing that a LOT of players will get a wrench, but if you use it for very long, it will break. Alternately, you can use that wrench to near-instantly get a shiny new engineer item! No need to jump through hoops to get a token.
Sorry to burst your bubble here, but that works for any item. Combine a Kritzkrieg with any class token, and you get a Medic token. The TF2Items page just confirms that the Golden Wrench is, in fact, an Engineer item, nothing more. :(
Post by: Charmander on July 02, 2010, 12:26:09 pm
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on July 02, 2010, 12:59:48 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/the_last_will_and_testament_of_Zepheniah_Mann/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/the_last_will_and_testament_of_Zepheniah_Mann/)
http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/family_portrait/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/family_portrait/)
Haven't seen what's on them, because my internets are terrible, and the pages consist of very large images. D:
Post by: dragnar on July 02, 2010, 01:07:53 pm
Post by: Zai on July 02, 2010, 01:31:12 pm
Hidden pages:Those are from the Halloween update.
http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/the_last_will_and_testament_of_Zepheniah_Mann/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/the_last_will_and_testament_of_Zepheniah_Mann/)
http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/family_portrait/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/family_portrait/)
Haven't seen what's on them, because my internets are terrible, and the pages consist of very large images. D:
Here's how I get fun out of the Engy: Build sentries in the seemingly most useless places and abandon them. Eventually someone will be killed by them. Then I laugh and build another. That and being a ninja.
Post by: Greiger on July 02, 2010, 01:33:52 pm
Who was that last name on the list the immortality machine was built for? (The announcer? Saxon Hale? The Pyro?)
Who is the person in the suit whose face is obscured by the sand in the family portrait? (first time I saw it)
Post by: Eviltyphoon on July 02, 2010, 01:42:33 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 02, 2010, 01:54:00 pm
Is anyone else afraid that TF2 is going to become the most story-heavy game of the decade?
Also, I don't know about you guys, but I REALLY want to play Team Fortres 0.5, with the team in the picture. I do have one problem with that team, though; of all the presidents to be the pyro, shouldn't he be Coolidge? Ok, so he'd be around 18 at the time...
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on July 02, 2010, 01:56:51 pm
Really? I noticed numerous references to it, but didn't see them at the time.Hidden pages:Those are from the Halloween update.
http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/the_last_will_and_testament_of_Zepheniah_Mann/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/the_last_will_and_testament_of_Zepheniah_Mann/)
http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/family_portrait/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/family_portrait/)
Haven't seen what's on them, because my internets are terrible, and the pages consist of very large images. D:
Here's how I get fun out of the Engy: Build sentries in the seemingly most useless places and abandon them. Eventually someone will be killed by them. Then I laugh and build another. That and being a ninja.
Also, just how terrible my internets are: it took me an hour to read the 13 pages of the comic.
Also, in the last page, on the "life extender machine" blueprints, there's a note that a third machine was built at the bottom.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 02, 2010, 02:00:00 pm
Post by: Nilocy on July 02, 2010, 03:38:36 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 02, 2010, 08:04:03 pm
Post by: returntonull on July 02, 2010, 08:57:42 pm
Post by: Heavy Flak on July 02, 2010, 09:05:48 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on July 02, 2010, 11:32:26 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/09.html
Post by: umiman on July 02, 2010, 11:49:24 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on July 03, 2010, 01:13:57 am
Post by: ToonyMan on July 03, 2010, 01:15:32 am
I love my country.
http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/09.html
Saw that earlier, TF2 comics are so awesome.
Post by: Sowelu on July 03, 2010, 02:53:39 am
(I haven't played TF2 at all lately, so I still had rollover stuff from last week)
The ones I actually cared about:
Eyelander
Tribalman's Shiv
Pickelhaube
Demoman's Fro
Yes, I got two hats out of the deal, and they were specifically THE only two hats I actually cared about ever getting!
*presses the taunt key*
*explodes*
Of course, now I'm going to be gone over the weekend, so have fun getting your golden wrenches without me :/
Post by: umiman on July 03, 2010, 04:59:39 am
Post by: Schilcote on July 03, 2010, 06:49:14 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 03, 2010, 04:52:43 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 03, 2010, 05:14:25 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 03, 2010, 05:17:53 pm
Post by: Jreengus on July 03, 2010, 05:20:52 pm
Post by: Lokii on July 03, 2010, 05:36:38 pm
Also, all the the servers I play on are empty right now, including this one. D8
Post by: returntonull on July 03, 2010, 06:41:07 pm
There were golden wrench assets in the update, with enough info floating around to be a new item to something as far out as a new game mode, but keep in mind Valve has also been putting decoy items in for awhile. The boomerang for the sniper update, all the MMO references they put in, and so on.
There is enough finished code in it to suggest that it will appear (aka: all the videos of it where people have plugged the golden wrench code into a custom coded item and had it actually work and function.), but in what capacity is unknown.
Just leave it at what we actually know, please please please please please with magma on top. The Steam Forums thread is really bad
Post by: Sensei on July 03, 2010, 10:02:47 pm
I'll laugh my ass off if they don't really do the engie update. It would be such a Valve thing to do.A valve thing to do would be to forget and say that was their plan all along.
Post by: HonkyPunch on July 03, 2010, 10:12:00 pm
:O
Post by: returntonull on July 04, 2010, 09:33:24 pm
http://www.tf2items.com/lists/golden_wrenches/ (http://www.tf2items.com/lists/golden_wrenches/)
Post by: Soulwynd on July 04, 2010, 09:51:45 pm
Okay, update guys. Looks like the golden wrench is findable. They're just not using the typical item drop system apparently.Oh what, Cuppie has one? Maybe I should go bug her to find out how she got it.
http://www.tf2items.com/lists/golden_wrenches/ (http://www.tf2items.com/lists/golden_wrenches/)
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on July 04, 2010, 10:36:35 pm
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3360/engie.png) (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/engie.png/)
Post by: returntonull on July 04, 2010, 10:53:46 pm
Not sure if anybody mentioned this but could this be a new sentry?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Nope. That's a sketch from the existing sentry concept art.
Go to TF2 in Steam, right click then choose 'view player manual' It's on page 4 of that PDF. There's also some blueprint style ones around, but I found this one first cause it came to mind.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 04, 2010, 10:55:24 pm
(http://blogs.nyu.edu/blogs/ja59/thesisblog/wall-e_2%5B1%5D.jpg)
Post by: ILikePie on July 05, 2010, 01:49:23 am
Go to TF2 in Steam, right click then choose 'view player manual' It's on page 4 of that PDF. There's also some blueprint style ones around, but I found this one first cause it came to mind.iirc that's just four pages of broken heavily compressed jpegs.
Post by: Lumbajak on July 05, 2010, 02:57:51 pm
Post by: Myroc on July 05, 2010, 03:31:28 pm
Quote
On this list as in the hearts of the people who fought while they sat around pressing the "Craft it!" button, the memory of these 100 heroes is enshrined forever. (http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/wrenchlog/)
My guess is that if you get it from doing a metric buttload of crafting.
Edit: Also, I bet that wheel-mounted gatling gun will be one of the new unlocks. In any case it looks awesome.
Post by: Jack A T on July 05, 2010, 04:12:13 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/
Hey, I see the original Team Fortress squad in there!
Freemasons use hats...illuminati: hats...assassins wear hats...seriously, hats run the TF2 world.
Post by: Bandages on July 05, 2010, 04:13:29 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 05, 2010, 04:14:19 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 05, 2010, 04:24:13 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 05, 2010, 04:33:53 pm
No, that would be your mother!That Pandarsenic is a spy!
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 05, 2010, 04:35:06 pm
Frontier Justice.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 05, 2010, 04:37:39 pm
Refresh the page.Kind of hard to right now. People are banging the site hard.
Frontier Justice.
But man, I hope the buildable replacements will be good. >.<
I hope for lots of them as well. *sighs*
Post by: Eduren on July 05, 2010, 04:42:31 pm
Wondering if it gives you immediate guaranteed crits or guaranteed crits sometime in the future.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 05, 2010, 04:45:43 pm
Frontier Justice looks pretty cool.I'm thinking it fills up a crits queue or something. Similar to how the demo collects heads and then as you shoot it goes down.
Wondering if it gives you immediate guaranteed crits or guaranteed crits sometime in the future.
I'm also willing to bet you use them with the right mouse button or something similar.
Post by: Lumbajak on July 05, 2010, 05:06:24 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 05, 2010, 06:45:50 pm
Post by: fenrif on July 05, 2010, 07:11:46 pm
Post by: Bandages on July 05, 2010, 07:13:54 pm
Is this the thread with the golden wenches? I was promised golden wenches.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Eduren on July 05, 2010, 07:48:12 pm
Is this the thread with the golden wenches? I was promised golden wenches.I can get you one for 30 bucks. Just gimme a minute to go to the hardware store.
Post by: zchris13 on July 05, 2010, 08:18:52 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 05, 2010, 08:25:56 pm
Yeah. I can get you a golden wrench, you just have to give me your steam stuffs/credit card/social security information(ohwait not a US citizen)/firstborn child. Also free microsoft points.What's this shit about wrenches? I don't want no wrenches.
Post by: Bandages on July 05, 2010, 08:28:19 pm
Yeah. I can get you a golden wrench, you just have to give me your steam stuffs/credit card/social security information(ohwait not a US citizen)/firstborn child. Also free microsoft points.What's this shit about wrenches? I don't want no wrenches.
Yeah but LASD fixed his typo :(
Post by: Jreengus on July 05, 2010, 10:03:05 pm
Also frontier justice looks interesting.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 05, 2010, 10:04:49 pm
Can't you craft the wrench? If I had 4 engy hats lying around I'd try it, supposedly: 4 engy hats = 1 engy token.. then it's crafted like a normal weapon using metal and tokens.
First off, tokens now only take 3 items to make. Second, hats can't be used to make tokens.
Post by: Onlyhestands on July 05, 2010, 10:12:21 pm
Post by: Jreengus on July 05, 2010, 10:15:26 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 05, 2010, 10:18:44 pm
Post by: Schilcote on July 05, 2010, 10:19:30 pm
My game is scaring me. I'm on the main menu waiting for a chance to get in a server, and I randomly hear the Announcer say "success..."
Quick, make it bored before it reaches the second stage!
Post by: dragnar on July 05, 2010, 10:22:39 pm
I was just on a server and Three (THREE!!!) golden wrenches dropped. I'm off for the night but I have screenshots for all three of the drops.Huh? It drops? I thought it could only be crafted after reading the update.
Post by: Onlyhestands on July 05, 2010, 10:25:16 pm
I was just on a server and Three (THREE!!!) golden wrenches dropped. I'm off for the night but I have screenshots for all three of the drops.Huh? It drops? I thought it could only be crafted after reading the update.
Got it, received it whatever :P
Post by: Schilcote on July 05, 2010, 10:52:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/user/RubberFruit#p/u/8/Qe9s3bqngbw
Post by: returntonull on July 05, 2010, 11:01:55 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 05, 2010, 11:03:35 pm
I wonder who would really want a golden wrench, considering how petty the community was over the halos and the headphones. And unlike those they've got a handy dandy list of people to harass/ban/molest.Me.
http://www.youtube.com/user/RubberFruit#p/u/8/Qe9s3bqngbwAwesome. Needs to be more mad sciencey though.
Post by: Eduren on July 05, 2010, 11:03:59 pm
Its a random drop, that happens during crafting.I was just on a server and Three (THREE!!!) golden wrenches dropped. I'm off for the night but I have screenshots for all three of the drops.Huh? It drops? I thought it could only be crafted after reading the update.
Post by: returntonull on July 05, 2010, 11:09:32 pm
Its a random drop, that happens during crafting.I was just on a server and Three (THREE!!!) golden wrenches dropped. I'm off for the night but I have screenshots for all three of the drops.Huh? It drops? I thought it could only be crafted after reading the update.
Technically it's a random drop that's announced to everyone even if you're just at the main menu or something.
Post by: Schilcote on July 05, 2010, 11:17:57 pm
I will eat you.
HURRR
EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/user/doctorheredoctor#p/u/17/soT_Z14ys-8
wut
http://www.youtube.com/user/doctorheredoctor#p/u/21/DHdYMjvV3NM
Post by: Dwarfaholic on July 06, 2010, 02:34:51 am
Heh, the update and the chance of getting the golden wrench finally convinced me to craft the surplus hats I had. Glad I did now as I got the Fancy Fedora from my unused hatless scout and pyro beanie.
finally convinced me to craft the surplus hats I had.
craft the surplus hats I
surplus hats
surplus hats
surplus hats
WWwwwhhhyyyyyy
Post by: Jreengus on July 06, 2010, 09:06:26 am
To clarify I had 2 different hats for both the pyro and the scout.
Post by: Jakkarra on July 06, 2010, 09:28:34 am
Post by: Bandages on July 06, 2010, 09:29:21 am
Post by: LASD on July 06, 2010, 10:27:26 am
This is naturally paving the way for trading, making it less stupid as idlers won't dominate the whole thing by having such ridiculous amounts of items.
Post by: Dwarfaholic on July 06, 2010, 10:44:27 am
What? I'm not sure what you mean?
To clarify I had 2 different hats for both the pyro and the scout.
What I meant was to express anger and sorrow at having to deal with a depressing existence where everybody gets more and better hats than I do. Nothing personal.
Post by: ILikePie on July 06, 2010, 11:41:07 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 06, 2010, 01:36:27 pm
After that I went back to the game and called the chat box so I could get some RTD, what happened was my interface froze and I couldn't turn, my mouse pointer was visible, I couldn't call up any menu, but my other actions were all possible. I was a spy.
So what resulted was my running around facing only one direction at all times with the deadringer and knife. I got more points than I usually do as spy.
Post by: Lumbajak on July 06, 2010, 02:00:38 pm
Including me.
It's slightly confusing.
Post by: Schilcote on July 06, 2010, 02:03:19 pm
Everyone has different names on the forum and on Steam!
Including me.
It's slightly confusing.
I don't.
Post by: Org on July 06, 2010, 02:04:05 pm
Everyone has different names on the forum and on Steam!
Including me.
It's slightly confusing.
I don't.
Post by: Lumbajak on July 06, 2010, 02:06:10 pm
: (
Post by: Eviltyphoon on July 06, 2010, 02:31:55 pm
Everyone has different names on the forum and on Steam!
Including me.
It's slightly confusing.
I don't.
I do!
Post by: Schilcote on July 06, 2010, 03:23:35 pm
got killed a million times
left.
I'm not sure I like TF2.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 06, 2010, 03:33:04 pm
showed up on server
got killed a million times
left.
I'm not sure I like TF2.
It's not how many times you die, it's how much fun you have. Think of each new life as if you're embarking on a new fortress or starting a new adventurer.
Post by: Nilocy on July 06, 2010, 03:36:45 pm
Post by: Puck on July 06, 2010, 03:40:17 pm
Could somebody explain it to me: During the "wrench dropping days", do you need to craft around to get a golden wrench, do you need to just spend time in the crafting system, or do you just need to spend time playing, like with all the other drops?
Post by: Schilcote on July 06, 2010, 03:57:27 pm
showed up on server
got killed a million times
left.
I'm not sure I like TF2.
It's not how many times you die, it's how much fun you have. Think of each new life as if you're embarking on a new fortress or starting a new adventurer.
Except I don't have any fun.
Probably becauae I ahvent easten or deank anything ina whle. sort of messes me upp when i don;t ahve anything
Post by: Mr.Person on July 06, 2010, 04:19:12 pm
I tried to read the relevant posts and research it myself, but I cba.
Could somebody explain it to me: During the "wrench dropping days", do you need to craft around to get a golden wrench, do you need to just spend time in the crafting system, or do you just need to spend time playing, like with all the other drops?
Apparently, the system chooses a random time to drop a wrecnh. The next person to craft anything at all gets the wrench. I think that's how it works. If it's not like that, you get a wrench roll every time you craft anything.
Post by: Thexor on July 06, 2010, 04:52:06 pm
I tried to read the relevant posts and research it myself, but I cba.
Could somebody explain it to me: During the "wrench dropping days", do you need to craft around to get a golden wrench, do you need to just spend time in the crafting system, or do you just need to spend time playing, like with all the other drops?
Apparently, the system chooses a random time to drop a wrecnh. The next person to craft anything at all gets the wrench. I think that's how it works. If it's not like that, you get a wrench roll every time you craft anything.
Certainly makes the most sense. And, as an added bonus, it means Valve knows when the 50th wrench will be dropped, so they know when to update the web page. ;)
That said, there's 53 wrenches left as of this writing. There are 27,405 players actively playing TF2. I seriously doubt any of us are going to get a golden wrench. :'( (Unless Valve does something sneaky, like award golden wrenches via a viral achievement or something...)
Post by: Mr.Person on July 06, 2010, 05:09:41 pm
Post by: Eduren on July 06, 2010, 06:16:09 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 06, 2010, 06:40:45 pm
Post by: Eduren on July 06, 2010, 06:41:07 pm
Post by: Calhoun on July 06, 2010, 06:49:07 pm
If you get two engineers working together, one keeping the sentry stocked up, the other controlling it, seems like a very very very powerful defense.
Post by: MagmaDeath on July 06, 2010, 06:55:05 pm
Am I the only one who thinks the Wranglers going to have to be nerfed eventually?True, But the disadvantages of using the wrangler alone really make up for it.
If you get two engineers working together, one keeping the sentry stocked up, the other controlling it, seems like a very very very powerful defense.
Also, spys, immobile engineer target...
Yeah.
Post by: Eduren on July 06, 2010, 06:55:26 pm
Am I the only one who thinks the Wranglers going to have to be nerfed eventually?I'll put money on it being nerfed.
If you get two engineers working together, one keeping the sentry stocked up, the other controlling it, seems like a very very very powerful defense.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 06, 2010, 06:55:39 pm
If this engie update doesn't have a full new set of build-ables, I'm gonna be mad. D:
If you get two engineers working together, one keeping the sentry stocked up, the other controlling it, seems like a very very very powerful defense.Nothing a single demo can't take care of.
Post by: Bandages on July 06, 2010, 07:04:54 pm
But enough push the cart maps already :(
Post by: PTTG?? on July 06, 2010, 07:08:37 pm
I also expect a Crit-o-Spenser, since that just plain makes sense.
I must say, I never thought Valve would take the remote control idea seriously. It sounds like it might be fun, esepecially since I don't use the pistol much as an engie... though it does have it's uses.
Bandages: STOP WHINING AND PUSH LITTLE CART, BABY-MAN.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 06, 2010, 07:27:38 pm
Not to mention blowing up the engineer means the sentry is harmless for three seconds. Although I wonder: If a demo lays three stickies on the ground within range of both an engineer using it and the sentry it is being used on, will the explosion deal full damage to the sentry because the engineer blew up or will it deal reduced damage because of the shield on the sentry before the engineer dies? Hopefully Valve has a system in place to deal with this.If you get two engineers working together, one keeping the sentry stocked up, the other controlling it, seems like a very very very powerful defense.Nothing a single demo can't take care of.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 06, 2010, 07:32:21 pm
Post by: Thexor on July 06, 2010, 07:46:40 pm
New map looks... interesting?
But enough push the cart maps already :(
Honestly, I wouldn't mind a few good Payload maps. The basic concept is solid: it gives the offensive team something to rally around, making it more likely that the average ADD player will cooperate, even accidentally, with his team.
The problem has always been, Payload maps act just like control point maps. Push the cart, entirely uncontested, until you reach the chokepoint where the defense is set up. Then, ignore the cart until the defenders have been cleared out of the area, and resume pushing. It's hardly different from a standard CP map, except you get a time extension and a forward spawn when you cap a CP, but pushing the cart through a challenging stronghold doesn't grant you any real advantages until you reach an (arbitrarily-positioned) checkpoint.
I'm hoping this map solves that problem. Maybe more vertical space will let creative Demos and Soldiers break Engie camps. Or something. I can only hope. :-\
Post by: LASD on July 06, 2010, 11:37:12 pm
Hmm, basing on the achievements (http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/achievements/), especially "Six-String Stinger" the melee unlock will be a guitar, which should be fun.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 06, 2010, 11:39:54 pm
Post by: Eduren on July 06, 2010, 11:46:38 pm
Hmm, basing on the achievements (http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/achievements/), especially "Six-String Stinger" the melee unlock will be a guitar, which should be fun.I'm going to guess its a new taunt (deadly or otherwise).
Post by: Zai on July 07, 2010, 12:02:49 am
I still want build-able unlocks...It's looking like we're not getting any, judging (as LASD said) by the achievements. Which is sad, because that's what I was mainly interested in as well.
HOWEVER, there's a possibility that we will get a building replacement out of the Polycount Pack contest.
As Eduren said, I think the guitar is a taunt, though where he would pull the guitar from I have no idea. How would you go about upgrading anything with a Guitar? You play your guitar for it and the sheer power of your music makes it improve? But then how would Metal come into use?
Post by: zchris13 on July 07, 2010, 12:04:09 am
Post by: Mr.Person on July 07, 2010, 12:18:31 am
Post by: PTTG?? on July 07, 2010, 12:21:18 am
Post by: zchris13 on July 07, 2010, 12:28:34 am
Post by: Eduren on July 07, 2010, 01:01:56 am
Anyone else see the achievement with the spy getting hit by what appears to be a LASER?Guessing that it is hitting a cloaked spy with your Wrangler, but I can't be sure.
Post by: Cheeetar on July 07, 2010, 01:02:42 am
Anyone else see the achievement with the spy getting hit by what appears to be a LASER?
I suppose that's hitting a disguised spy with your Wrangler.
Ninja'd.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 07, 2010, 01:31:18 am
Well, judging by the counter (25 = shottie, 50 = pistol, 75 = ?, 100 = ?) we have 2 more days of update. So it might be one melee plus a new pda with buildables. Or, hopefully, 2 new pdas. I mean, the sniper got 2 pdas (watches) so should we. =pI still want build-able unlocks...It's looking like we're not getting any, judging (as LASD said) by the achievements. Which is sad, because that's what I was mainly interested in as well.
On that same note... The new taunts better be AWESOME.
Post by: Evilgrim on July 07, 2010, 01:33:14 am
I mean, the sniper got 2 pdas (watches) so should we. =p
That Snipah's a bloody spy!
Yay Demoman. Have we forgotten about the other classes during this Engineer update?
Post by: Soulwynd on July 07, 2010, 01:47:16 am
Post by: Eduren on July 07, 2010, 01:49:32 am
Crosses fingers for Meet the MedicWell, judging by the counter (25 = shottie, 50 = pistol, 75 = ?, 100 = ?) we have 2 more days of update. So it might be one melee plus a new pda with buildables. Or, hopefully, 2 new pdas. I mean, the sniper got 2 pdas (watches) so should we. =pI still want build-able unlocks...It's looking like we're not getting any, judging (as LASD said) by the achievements. Which is sad, because that's what I was mainly interested in as well.
Post by: LASD on July 07, 2010, 03:41:35 am
But what will it do? The "Honky Tonk Man" achievement doesn't really help much, though that convinced me of it being a weapon, instead of just a taunt.
One possibility is also that it's a substitute for the engi's toolbox (storing metal inside a guitar case?). And Honky Tonk Man would be awarded for picking one up from the ground or something.
Post by: Myroc on July 07, 2010, 03:51:13 am
Yay, More payload! Badwater is my favourite map. Also, Wrangler is interesting and will make the initial engi rushing/spamming hilarious.
Hmm, basing on the achievements (http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/achievements/), especially "Six-String Stinger" the melee unlock will be a guitar, which should be fun.
Edit: I missed a page.
Post by: ILikePie on July 07, 2010, 03:58:18 am
Post by: Siquo on July 07, 2010, 04:15:49 am
Post by: Jreengus on July 07, 2010, 05:34:44 am
Post by: PTTG?? on July 07, 2010, 10:29:45 am
Anyone else see the achievement with the spy getting hit by what appears to be a LASER?
I suppose that's hitting a disguised spy with your Wrangler.
Ninja'd.
Ninjaneer buff? Also no what where lasers?
Quite possibly.
Remember folks, it's a LASER, not a laser. LASER is an acronym for "Light Amplification and Something Electronic, bRo.
Post by: Jakkarra on July 07, 2010, 10:30:52 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 07, 2010, 10:40:29 am
Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of RadiationThis.
And what I've seen, if you had a graph where the x-axis mapped knowledge of what "LASER" actually means and the y-axis mapped how much people care if it is or is not capitalized, pluralized, etc.
Edit: OH RIGHT FORGOT THE ACTUAL POINT OF WHAT I WAS SAYING
If you had such a chart, it would be a bell curve.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 07, 2010, 10:54:03 am
Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of RadiationThis.
And what I've seen, if you had a graph where the x-axis mapped knowledge of what "LASER" actually means and the y-axis mapped how much people care if it is or is not capitalized, pluralized, etc.
Yes? If I did have such a chart?
Post by: Thexor on July 07, 2010, 11:06:09 am
Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of RadiationThis.
And what I've seen, if you had a graph where the x-axis mapped knowledge of what "LASER" actually means and the y-axis mapped how much people care if it is or is not capitalized, pluralized, etc.
Yes? If I did have such a chart?
Then half of all the points on it would be protesting that you misspelt "lazer". ;)
Post by: Puck on July 07, 2010, 11:16:38 am
Post by: Jakkarra on July 07, 2010, 11:18:33 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 07, 2010, 11:32:43 am
Anyone want some news on CP_Fizz?Only if you have a giant fizzing vat of cola in the map somewhere.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 07, 2010, 11:33:02 am
Fixed.Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of RadiationThis.
And what I've seen, if you had a graph where the x-axis mapped knowledge of what "LASER" actually means and the y-axis mapped how much people care if it is or is not capitalized, pluralized, etc.
Edit: OH RIGHT FORGOT THE ACTUAL POINT OF WHAT I WAS SAYING
If you had such a chart, it would be a bell curve.
<_<;
Post by: Siquo on July 07, 2010, 12:37:03 pm
Post by: umiman on July 07, 2010, 12:42:49 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 07, 2010, 12:49:01 pm
Annoying things #23: Quoting a post, saying "Fixed" with a smiley, and then DON'T EDIT THE POST AT ALL JUST TO MESS WITH PEOPLES HEADS.I EDITED THE OLD POST D:<
Post by: Mr.Person on July 07, 2010, 12:59:06 pm
Post by: Zai on July 07, 2010, 01:01:02 pm
I'm not going to get a golden wrench, and I'm ok with that.Same. Though I am taking advantage of increased drops.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 07, 2010, 01:22:09 pm
This.I'm not going to get a golden wrench, and I'm ok with that.Same. Though I am taking advantage of increased drops.
Post by: Jreengus on July 07, 2010, 01:27:58 pm
+1This.I'm not going to get a golden wrench, and I'm ok with that.Same. Though I am taking advantage of increased drops.
Also quote pyramid ftw!
Post by: LASD on July 07, 2010, 02:53:28 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The bots had been duking it out by themselves for almost two hours for idling purposes, then I decided to join in as a player and started sniping. I wish I was even close to this good in real games.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 07, 2010, 02:55:38 pm
Post by: ILikePie on July 07, 2010, 03:06:00 pm
Heheh, headshotting normal difficulty bots is fun:That's one heck of a ping you have there.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Soulwynd on July 07, 2010, 03:10:15 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 07, 2010, 03:17:09 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 07, 2010, 04:31:49 pm
Someone destroyed wrench 27 earlier today -.-You have to have some real balls to do that. Serious props to whoever it was.
Post by: Myroc on July 07, 2010, 04:43:47 pm
Checking the guy's Profile (http://steamcommunity.com/id/grantz/), it seems it was a hacker who destroyed it. Valve gave it back.Someone destroyed wrench 27 earlier today -.-You have to have some real balls to do that. Serious props to whoever it was.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 07, 2010, 04:47:25 pm
Someone destroyed wrench 27 earlier today -.-You have to have some real balls to do that. Serious props to whoever it was.
Spoiler: Here's a helpful screenshot (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jreengus on July 07, 2010, 05:30:50 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 07, 2010, 05:45:17 pm
The guy was apparently hacked.http://i.imgur.com/RkOJf.jpgSomeone destroyed wrench 27 earlier today -.-You have to have some real balls to do that. Serious props to whoever it was.
There has also been more drama going on, apparantly drunken f00l and a couple of his friends did something that warranted them losing their wrenches, and getting VAC banned.
Post by: Thexor on July 07, 2010, 05:58:04 pm
The guy was apparently hacked.http://i.imgur.com/RkOJf.jpgSomeone destroyed wrench 27 earlier today -.-You have to have some real balls to do that. Serious props to whoever it was.
There has also been more drama going on, apparantly drunken f00l and a couple of his friends did something that warranted them losing their wrenches, and getting VAC banned.
Interesting.
The wiki article (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Golden_Wrench) has more information, but I'll copy it here in case it's edited:
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At 22:51 on 7 July, 3 Golden Wrenches were removed. Drunken F00l's, ChrisFPS [SuRƒ]'s and Rukes.com{EMC}'s.
Drunken F00l (DF) has stated that a Valve employee leaked the times that each Wrench would drop and DF got ahold of this list. He used this information to craft at the precise time in the leaked information. DF was, however VAC banned because he formulated a script to continuously craft and smelt his metals. This may have been the reason why they were removed. He was not VAC banned for the leaked times.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 07, 2010, 06:00:35 pm
Post by: Bandages on July 07, 2010, 06:52:33 pm
Gratzi
Post by: Zai on July 07, 2010, 06:55:30 pm
Can we get a link to the engi update on the front page?...What? I don't know what you mean.
Gratzi
Post by: Bandages on July 07, 2010, 07:00:49 pm
-Can someone (indicating this is an open request directed at an unknown entity)
-Put a link ("link" is often used as a nickname for URL)
-to the engi update (This qualifies the URL earlier as the one for the engineer update for the popular game Team Fortress 2)
-on the front page (The front page being the first post of this thread, so that someone like myself would be able to quickly access it instead of having to scroll through a few pages worth of posts to find a link)
-Gratzi (thank you)
Post by: Saint on July 07, 2010, 07:06:35 pm
It's full of stupid little kids age 10-13 now and isn't fun.
Even worse is the admins on said servers.
Post by: Bandages on July 07, 2010, 07:07:19 pm
Tf2 died for me yesterday.
It's full of stupid little kids age 10-13 now and isn't fun.
Even worse is the admins on said servers.
Either:
1) Turn off sound (works for me)
or
2) Find another server.
Post by: Zai on July 07, 2010, 07:09:58 pm
I'll translate:Is it really that difficult to just go to tf2.com and click on the giant image in the first blog post?
-Can someone (indicating this is an open request directed at LASD)
-Put a link ("link" is often used as a nickname for URL)
-to the engi update (This qualifies the URL earlier as the one for the engineer update for the popular game Team Fortress 2)
-on the front page (The front page being the first post of this thread, so that someone like myself would be able to quickly access it instead of having to scroll through a few pages worth of posts to find a link)
-Gratzi (thank you)
Engy update (http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/).
Day 3: Another Payload map, Hightower. This one's final CP has an elevator.
[PPE:] What's funny, Saint, is that you didn't mention any servers before saying "said servers."
But I'm thinking you aren't playing on the right servers. I don't have the little kid issue most of the time. But when I do, I just mute the offending voices.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 07, 2010, 07:11:18 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/evolutionaryman/
Meh...
Buildables... now..
Ninjaed...
Post by: Zai on July 07, 2010, 07:16:17 pm
Buildables... now..We won't be getting new buildings this update. There would be achievements including them if we were.
Or at least there would probably be achievements.
Post by: fenrif on July 07, 2010, 07:17:04 pm
Tf2 died for me yesterday.
It's full of stupid little kids age 10-13 now and isn't fun.
Even worse is the admins on said servers.
Play on the DFC server, theres never really any annoying little kids, and the admins are all sound.
Buildables... now..
They can't not do buildables. Seriously, that'd be silly. Unless they did some sort of secret "oh wait we forgot this new sentry for the update" a few days later, sneaky bastards that they are.
Post by: Zai on July 07, 2010, 07:21:24 pm
They can't not do buildables. Seriously, that'd be silly. Unless they did some sort of secret "oh wait we forgot this new sentry for the update" a few days later, sneaky bastards that they are.That would be hilarious.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 07, 2010, 07:27:20 pm
Post by: Eduren on July 07, 2010, 07:34:31 pm
Good news for Soldiers and Demos.
Post by: Eduren on July 07, 2010, 07:37:32 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on July 07, 2010, 07:39:34 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 07, 2010, 07:40:43 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 07, 2010, 07:44:39 pm
Both Hightower and Upward look like they utilize vertical spaces very nicely.And for spies. Death from above!!!
Good news for Soldiers and Demos.
Post by: HonkyPunch on July 07, 2010, 07:53:51 pm
No but guys seriously this guy made 1850's engie and soldier, currently more are being worked on.
IT LOOKS DAMN NEAR SPOT ON
Post by: Cthulhu on July 07, 2010, 08:37:38 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 07, 2010, 08:58:26 pm
Is anyone else unable to use items?Steam is down ATM.
Post by: Metalax on July 07, 2010, 09:36:18 pm
edit: and looking at the three photos, does it look to anyone else like the engineer packed up that level 2 sentry, moved up the stairs and redeployed it? possible new option on the pda?
Post by: Mr.Person on July 07, 2010, 09:36:44 pm
Post by: Bandages on July 07, 2010, 09:37:58 pm
Another link hidden on the page is this http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/engineer_photos/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/engineer_photos/).
Did he just...
:o
Post by: umiman on July 07, 2010, 09:38:38 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 07, 2010, 10:05:48 pm
Post by: Bandages on July 07, 2010, 10:12:11 pm
That looks like a brand-spankin'-new sentry. Look at it. There's something very different about it.
It just looks like a level 2 sentry imo
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 07, 2010, 10:15:14 pm
(http://robotguy.net/tf2_blue_sentry_med.jpg)That looks like a brand-spankin'-new sentry. Look at it. There's something very different about it.
It just looks like a level 2 sentry imo
The new one is much squarer, has new little knobbles all over it as well.
Post by: Bandages on July 07, 2010, 10:15:57 pm
laser...
pointer...?
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on July 07, 2010, 10:20:43 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on July 07, 2010, 10:25:37 pm
Post by: Zai on July 07, 2010, 10:26:06 pm
It's not visually distinct enough to be a new sentry.Exactly what I'm thinking.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 07, 2010, 11:44:41 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on July 08, 2010, 12:14:54 am
It just looks like a higher-detail version of the level 2 sentry. It's not visually distinct enough to be a new sentry.
This. Valve is HUGE on everything being recognizable just by sight. Sometimes they break this (Natasha, Cloak and Dagger), but in those cases they always make up for it with distinct noises and/or nobody needing to recognize the weapon.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 08, 2010, 12:22:35 am
Post by: Mr.Person on July 08, 2010, 12:32:32 am
I think a Sentry being left at level 2 is a pretty good distinction of it not being a regular sentry.
You're running by as a disguised Spy 500 hammer units away. Can you instantly recognize that sentry as different from a normal level 2? No, you can't. I can barely tell a level 2 from a level 3 just from looking, let alone this thing who's only difference is a small pipe on the top.
Post by: Bandages on July 08, 2010, 02:07:19 am
I can barely tell a level 2 from a level 3 just from looking, let alone this thing who's only difference is a small pipe on the top.
Ceci ne pas une pipe.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mr.Person on July 08, 2010, 02:16:52 am
Maybe pipe wasn't the right word, I kind of meant green wiring.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 08, 2010, 02:35:01 am
Post by: Lokii on July 08, 2010, 03:06:40 am
Just spies. And just make angry robot noises at them.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 08, 2010, 04:10:35 am
They're not going to strap some wires to the top and call it a new gun. They're not going to add some bolts and flatten it slightly (and the flattening is image compression, by the way) and call it a new gun. A new sentry gun will have a new shape. This isn't up for discussion, new sentry = new shape.
Post by: Schilcote on July 08, 2010, 04:14:51 am
It'll sense spies.
Just spies. And just make angry robot noises at them.
That would be pretty effective actually.
Post by: Simmura McCrea on July 08, 2010, 04:17:36 am
Maybe they'll talk like the sentries from Portal.It'll sense spies.
Just spies. And just make angry robot noises at them.
That would be pretty effective actually.
Post by: Siquo on July 08, 2010, 04:21:23 am
new sentry = new shape.UNLESS it's a mockup sentry. One that's really hard to kill but doesn't shoot, only meant to deter or confuse players. Or blows up when you hit it from up close, like a bomb in disguise.
Post by: Lokii on July 08, 2010, 04:28:15 am
new sentry = new shape.UNLESS it's a mockup sentry. One that's really hard to kill but doesn't shoot, only meant to deter or confuse players. Or blows up when you hit it from up close, like a bomb in disguise.
Blows up on a spy when he saps it, perhaps?
Spyhate, har.
Post by: Siquo on July 08, 2010, 04:34:25 am
Post by: Mr.Person on July 08, 2010, 04:39:07 am
Besides, decoys are the Spy's thing (Dead Ringer). Disguising is the Spy's BIGGEST thing. So, logically, a disguised decoy bomb is going to go to... the Engineer?
@Everyone saying the update is going to have some anti-Spy building: I doubt the Engineer's going to get an anti-Spy tool or building (at least not directly, I bet one or more of his weapons is good vs Spies but isn't a direct counter (like how Sandman is good vs Snipers but wasn't designed as a Sniper counter)). He doesn't need the help to kill Spies. And you might think "Oh, but if his stuff's immune to Spies, that'll encourage him to leave his buildings to gather metal or whatever!" Yeah, some people will do that. Most will just turtle and be incredibly hard to get rid off. They don't need any more help since they're already incredibly fucking annoying.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 08, 2010, 04:43:56 am
Post by: Siquo on July 08, 2010, 04:56:52 am
Post by: Puck on July 08, 2010, 05:00:26 am
Heheh, headshotting normal difficulty bots is fun:You most certainly are. The problem is... your opponents just don't suck as much in real games ;)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The bots had been duking it out by themselves for almost two hours for idling purposes, then I decided to join in as a player and started sniping. I wish I was even close to this good in real games.
Post by: Siquo on July 08, 2010, 05:07:03 am
Also, pro-tip: During setup, if you're not a medic, demo or engineer, you're bored as hell, waiting that entire minute.
So what you do is change to engineer, upgrade the teleporter entrances outside of the spawn, then change back to the class you want to play. People will love you.
Post by: Myroc on July 08, 2010, 05:56:45 am
Oh, and that green wiring someone mentioned is a garden hose. In the background. Behind the sentry. Seriously, you can see it in the third picture.
That aside, being able to MOVE your sentry is a whole other matter that I look forward to.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 08, 2010, 07:09:10 am
I often use the dispenser to block passages. It's a warning sign and slows down people at the same time. I don't see the problem.
A super-durable fake sentry though? Come on.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 08, 2010, 07:17:13 am
Now if they wanted a new sentry with different effects they will have to move the guns to different positions and perhaps shift the main body forward.
Post by: ILikePie on July 08, 2010, 09:59:10 am
Edit: I just got an achievement called 'Lenin a Hand', you gotta love these little puns. :)
Post by: Onlyhestands on July 08, 2010, 10:16:24 am
Build your base in a location that isn't right on a corner(so it can't be "edged"), in a location where enemy troops have to attack it from range head on, and not so far away it can be sniped or shot at from outside the range of your sentry. Be aware of demos throwing grenades or stickies at it, people attacking from weird directions, and
Also be aware that your sentry gun will hurt you if it shoots through you at an enemy. Remember that spies can stand on your dispenser and stay cloaked infinitely. Also remember you can stand on your dispenser and so can get up to a higher location, where you can build your base where
Playing offensively.
Find a path where you know enemies will come through soon but aren't there at the moment. Build a level 1 sentry out of sight to people walking forwards and hide nearby. Level 1 sentries are pretty weak but if you ambush enemies occupied with your sentry you can shotgun/wrench a lot of them to death. You will probably lose your sentry but it builds quickly and you can get more metal off dead players. Alternatively if there is a chaotic situation you have a chance of throwing down a level 1 sentry in the heat of battle which can turn the tide.
Post by: Greiger on July 08, 2010, 10:31:02 am
1. Unless the fighting is happening really close to your spawn, build a teleporter outside the door and run back in to replenish the metal before running to the front. It's a lot easier to have a tele entrance prepared already than to have to run back to make one if an opportunity to build an exit comes along. Don't worry about upgrading it or making it build faster or anything until you have an exit, just place it and go.
2. If you keep hitting a building while it's under construction with your wrench it will become functional in half the normal time. Handy for sentries or when your team needed a dispenser "yesterday".
3. If other engineers are around, help eachother. 1 level 3 sentry is better than 2 level 1s. And you can get it to level 3 fast that way.
4. At the same time however, don't build your sentries too close to another engineer's sentry. There's not much point in having both of them if all it takes is 3 or 4 stickies from a single demoman to blow them both up.
5. If another engies stuff is taking a pounding and yours isn't, help fix it. be wary of stickies though. Your own sentry is as good as dead if you die in a sticky explosion with another engie.
6. Don't use up all your metal on upgrading. Keep a bit around incase you come under attack. If you use up all your metal upgrading and a soldier starts shooting at your sentry, you don't have any metal left to fix your sentry with.
7. Keep an eye out for stickys. If they are coming faster than you can remove them, abandon the sentry. You can build a replacement faster if you don't have to wait for respawn.
8. Hit the sapper once, then kill the spy, then finish off the sapper. And for godsakes turn around once in awhile.
Post by: Metalax on July 08, 2010, 10:35:01 am
Tried my hand at playing the engineer, and I learned I'm terrible with the little Texan mechanic. Ya'll got any tips for this poor old guy that just wants to join in on the fun?
Heres a bunch of various tips, most of them fairly obvious if you've been playing a while.
Watch out for where other people place sentries while playing as other classes, the more common locations are usually good places for you to build.
If another engineer has a sentry covering one entry into an area, try setting up to cover a different entry/area the enemy can use to target the other sentry.
In most cases building right near another engineers buildings is just asking for a single demo/uber to take them all out in one go, don't do it.
If a spy saps your buildings when no one else is around, switch to shotgun and give him several blasts then swap back to wrench to kill the sappers.
If you can see other teammates taking on the spy, then concentrate on killing the sappers.
Once a round starts try to keep above 40 or so metal while you are upgrading your buildings, as this gives you a reserve to repair them when an enemy arrives.
Once your buildings are fully upgraded/while waiting for metal to respawn, use your shotgun to spycheck everybody.
Remember the only people who can stand on buildings from your side are the engie who built it and enemy spys. If you see someone doing so, spycheck them.
Work with other engineers to get one sentry to level 3 fast rather than two partially upgraded level 1's.
Similarly, if your gear is already upgraded then help a nearby engie upgrade his stuff.
Be aware of other engies gear, particularly if they have been sapped so you can repair/kill sappers if the other engie has been killed, saving the gear.
Post by: LASD on July 08, 2010, 12:19:38 pm
I just had loads of fun ninjaneering on CTF_Well on the server. I managed to build a sentry looking out the window in the opposing sides' base. It managed to pick off 6 guys in a really short time before it got taken down. I also managed to build a number of other sentries in equally aggravating places all around their base.
Ooh, only 6 wrenches 'til update!
Post by: Dr. Johbson on July 08, 2010, 12:20:34 pm
Post by: Org on July 08, 2010, 12:20:47 pm
DAMN YOU STEAM.
Post by: Jreengus on July 08, 2010, 12:24:52 pm
Post by: umiman on July 08, 2010, 12:30:29 pm
The random item generator drops me THREE ENGIE HATS?! THREE!!!! I seriously hope trading comes out...
Edit: Like I said yesterday, the wrench came out today exactly at 11.33am Albertan time. Just like yesterday. But I missed it again by a few seconds :(
Post by: Dr. Johbson on July 08, 2010, 12:51:09 pm
Post by: ILikePie on July 08, 2010, 12:52:00 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on July 08, 2010, 12:54:12 pm
Post by: Thexor on July 08, 2010, 12:58:19 pm
...I think it's time that the TF2 forums get some 'love'. Seriously, the posts right now are absolutely hilarious. We've got lots of "omg u baned DF", lots of "this event sux", lots of "wtf predetermined times?"... it's simply amazing.
View it now, before the update comes out and the forums are lagged to heck!
Post by: Schilcote on July 08, 2010, 01:31:44 pm
*sigh*
What do they get from deluding themselves? Will I ever understand anything but the very basics of human behavior?
Post by: Dr. Johbson on July 08, 2010, 01:43:06 pm
Also, yes, the community is hilarious over here too.
Post by: Thexor on July 08, 2010, 01:50:01 pm
Perhaps not the best time to post a short story over there. It's barely on the first page for a minute. And I can't edit my title, for some reason, to share with the world the story that now has 2 endings.
Also, yes, the community is hilarious over here too.
That was... interesting. You certainly have a way with endings! ;D
Since Johbson seems to have forgotten the link, I guess I'll provide it myself. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1350408) Remember to 5-star and bump, it's a lot more interesting than the garbage currently cluttering the front page!
Post by: Dr. Johbson on July 08, 2010, 01:55:47 pm
Post by: Zai on July 08, 2010, 02:22:43 pm
Maybe pipe wasn't the right word, I kind of meant green wiring.That's not part of the sentry. It's part of the wall behind the sentry. Look at the last picture. And yes I know Myroc already covered this.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT?!!!!!!Umi, please give me the Hotrod when trading comes.
The random item generator drops me THREE ENGIE HATS?! THREE!!!! I seriously hope trading comes out...
Edit: Like I said yesterday, the wrench came out today exactly at 11.33am Albertan time. Just like yesterday. But I missed it again by a few seconds :(
And trading will hopefully be announced today. I doubt it though. ._.
I almost have my first non-event hat. I just need about 8 more items, unless I want to get rid of non-duplicates. I can't decide if I want a Solly hat or a Pyro hat or a Demo hat. Solly has 1 hats I really don't want (Soldier's Stash) but 3 I really do want. Pyro has 1 I really don't want (Pyro's Beanie) but 4 I really do want. Demo has 1 I really don't want (Scotsman's Stove Pipe; I would have been alright with it pre-Gibus but now it just looks too much like the Ghastly Gibus) but 3 I really do want.
I think I'm going to recraft my Solly token into a Demo token.
[EDIT:] And in case anybody did not notice, the "community-made surprise" mentioned in the blog post yesterday is at the bottom of Day 3's update page.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 02:54:55 pm
Post by: Zai on July 08, 2010, 03:07:57 pm
3 more wrenches til we have BUILDABLES or the destruction of valve headquarters.WE AREN'T GETTING BUILDINGS THIS UPDATE. If I knew you in real life, I would bet you money.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 03:09:47 pm
You should get your money, not mine!3 more wrenches til we have BUILDABLES or the destruction of valve headquarters.WE AREN'T GETTING BUILDINGS THIS UPDATE. If I knew you in real life, I would bet you money.
Post by: dragnar on July 08, 2010, 03:32:50 pm
I will deny this to the end! I reject your reality and substitute my own!3 more wrenches til we have BUILDABLES or the destruction of valve headquarters.WE AREN'T GETTING BUILDINGS THIS UPDATE. If I knew you in real life, I would bet you money.
Post by: Puck on July 08, 2010, 03:41:50 pm
Quote from: Sock
Sometimes you gotta look reality in the face and say NO!
Post by: Cthulhu on July 08, 2010, 03:44:32 pm
Post by: Org on July 08, 2010, 03:48:34 pm
Right before I started lagging and had I got off of TF2, slammed the spies face in with my wrench. Perfect shot right before the game ended.
Post by: umiman on July 08, 2010, 04:19:07 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/handyman/
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1350794
Post by: Lokii on July 08, 2010, 04:21:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Qlz2631Ic
Also, the sniper has one, and it's napoleon dynamite.
Post by: Thexor on July 08, 2010, 04:23:54 pm
Engie gets a robot hand.
http://www.teamfortress.com/engineerupdate/handyman/
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1350794
Looks like a wrench replacement, maybe? We'll find out, if these last 3 wrenches are ever found (seriously, it's been ~3 hours since the last one was awarded...)
I was just shown this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Qlz2631Ic
Also, the sniper has one, and it's napoleon dynamite.
That. Is. Awesome.
And just think about how long that must've taken with GMod. Wow.
Post by: umiman on July 08, 2010, 04:26:57 pm
Post by: Eduren on July 08, 2010, 04:27:55 pm
Post by: Lokii on July 08, 2010, 04:28:26 pm
I'll link the others if you can't find them.
Post by: dragnar on July 08, 2010, 04:31:06 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 08, 2010, 04:38:16 pm
Get behind me Doktor!
Spoiler: Not Safe (click to show/hide)
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 04:42:21 pm
I was just shown this.THE SLAPS MAN, THE BOTTOM SLAPS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Qlz2631Ic
Also, the sniper has one, and it's napoleon dynamite.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 08, 2010, 04:48:03 pm
And this dude has been doing some cool stuff for a while now. (http://www.youtube.com/user/thejazzman9475#p/u/31/F8A_rpmw8-k)
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 04:53:16 pm
Post by: Zai on July 08, 2010, 05:16:50 pm
If one thing must be said, it's that the demoaxe needs a taunt. And I believe this dude has already made a perfect one. (http://www.youtube.com/user/thejazzman9475#p/u/5/BLXuuavKHVA)That would be awesome, but it's kind of long for an in-game taunt. Plus there's the matter of what he does with his axe while he dances.
Apparently we're one wrench away.
Post by: ILikePie on July 08, 2010, 05:20:44 pm
too bad its 1:30 am here.
Post by: Jreengus on July 08, 2010, 05:29:58 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 08, 2010, 05:37:07 pm
Be careful about playing medics guys, there's some kind of infectious disease on all the servers that makes medics retarded. Topping off the heavy's health and leaving while he's under fire, ubering the spy, ubering everyone in some kind of crazy switch-real-fast so nobody's safe, ubering you and then getting bored and leaving, it's an epidemic, man.
Ubering multiple people actually does work, if you don't suck.
Ubering more than 2 is stretching yourself thin, though, and more than 3 is impossible to keep them all safe.
Post by: Jreengus on July 08, 2010, 05:37:55 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 08, 2010, 06:15:19 pm
Post by: Onlyhestands on July 08, 2010, 06:25:59 pm
Post by: Org on July 08, 2010, 06:26:38 pm
I REPEAT. ONE HUNDRED.
Post by: Eduren on July 08, 2010, 06:29:20 pm
ONE HUNDRED WRENCHES.You lie!
I REPEAT. ONE HUNDRED.
Post by: Jack A T on July 08, 2010, 06:33:37 pm
EDIT: They fixed that...100 wrenches!
Post by: Org on July 08, 2010, 06:33:48 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 08, 2010, 06:34:17 pm
He has not.ONE HUNDRED WRENCHES.You lie!
I REPEAT. ONE HUNDRED.
The 100th has been released.
Post by: dragnar on July 08, 2010, 06:34:26 pm
Post by: Org on July 08, 2010, 06:34:50 pm
I WAS CRAFTING JUST NOW.He has not.ONE HUNDRED WRENCHES.You lie!
I REPEAT. ONE HUNDRED.
The 100th has been released.
ARGH.
Post by: Jreengus on July 08, 2010, 06:35:35 pm
Post by: Jack A T on July 08, 2010, 06:36:37 pm
Post by: Org on July 08, 2010, 06:36:46 pm
At the time it was still 99. I was just messing with everyone. :P
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 06:37:17 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 08, 2010, 06:38:15 pm
Post by: Jack A T on July 08, 2010, 06:39:28 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 08, 2010, 06:40:05 pm
Well, that will make that "ninjaneer" strategy work much better.Interesting to note, that since the new sentry does half damage, you are much less likely to have it get kills so that when it dies you get revenge crits with the frontier justice.
Post by: Eduren on July 08, 2010, 06:40:50 pm
And 3 new maps! Oh my god this is going to be good.
Post by: Jreengus on July 08, 2010, 06:41:05 pm
Also shame you can't use the glove without the new sentry. Plus 25 health would be worth dropping the pistol.
Post by: Schilcote on July 08, 2010, 06:41:29 pm
Well, that will make that "ninjaneer" strategy work much better.Interesting to note, that since the new sentry does half damage, you are much less likely to have it get kills so that when it dies you get revenge crits with the frontier justice.
I doubt it will trigger the Frontier Justice at all.
I wonder if we can deploy more than one of them?
Post by: Cthulhu on July 08, 2010, 06:45:04 pm
Post by: Eduren on July 08, 2010, 06:45:54 pm
Post by: Thexor on July 08, 2010, 06:52:53 pm
We're also still missing a promised melee weapon from the Day 3 blog post (the Gunslinger is, apparently, a pistol unlock), but we've got our requisite 3 items. So, what's going on?
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 06:54:37 pm
From the text, it seems you can choose to drop the combat sentry, but that doesn't mean you lose your other buildings... Might keep the limit of sentries to 1, but it doesn't make your wrench useless to upgrade other buildings.
Post by: Jreengus on July 08, 2010, 06:55:01 pm
Interestingly, as of this writing the blog hasn't updated.
We're also still missing a promised melee weapon from the Day 3 blog post (the Gunslinger is, apparently, a pistol unlock), but we've got our requisite 3 items. So, what's going on?
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Southern_Hospitality (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Southern_Hospitality)
Look at the very bottom of the update page.
Post by: Zai on July 08, 2010, 06:59:04 pm
And 3 new maps! Oh my god this is going to be good.And not just that; all 3 are Payload! Well, to be fair, one of them is PLR, but still.
I must say that I prefer the normal update format to the Engy update's format. Though, it does fit better with the end of Loose Canon, where the Engy is about to make his own unlocks.
[EDIT:] Also, I don't know what other people are talking about. Gunslinger replaces the wrench.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 08, 2010, 07:02:26 pm
Post by: Jreengus on July 08, 2010, 07:03:51 pm
Anyhow the three new weapons look like they will make a nice combo, drop the gun control it to shoot people at double speed and then when it is destroyed go to town with the crits.
Of course this assumes that you enemies don't just shoot you instead of the gun.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 07:06:08 pm
The link to the moveable sentry also disappeared.
It's a sad sad buildable update.... with all the options they had... -_-
Hell, even the fake engie update was better than this.
Post by: Eduren on July 08, 2010, 07:17:09 pm
Post by: Zai on July 08, 2010, 07:17:50 pm
The Gunslinger really will go well with the Wrangler.
I want to see the lab pool in Thunder Mountain.
Post by: Eduren on July 08, 2010, 07:19:41 pm
Quote
Engineers can now pickup & move their buildings.wat
Post by: umiman on July 08, 2010, 07:20:24 pm
- sandvich has a cooldown timer
- SHIV GOT TOTALLY NERFED!!!! :-\
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 07:21:48 pm
Vuvuzela rage! BZZZZZZZZBZBZBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Post by: Onlyhestands on July 08, 2010, 07:23:03 pm
Looking at the patch notes:QuoteEngineers can now pickup & move their buildings.wat
I give this a day until this becomes nerfed as hell.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 07:25:29 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 08, 2010, 07:25:54 pm
For me they were bad enough due to the fact that fall damage still messed you up, but now they are even less useful for me.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 08, 2010, 07:26:42 pm
Post by: Eduren on July 08, 2010, 07:27:06 pm
Post by: Lokii on July 08, 2010, 07:27:19 pm
Post by: Zai on July 08, 2010, 07:29:08 pm
I exited out of Steam and now I can't login.
=/
No update for me for a while.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 07:29:31 pm
Hint #2: The drop system favors items you still do not have.
Post by: Schilcote on July 08, 2010, 07:30:27 pm
So the Golden Wrenches are made of Australium. Kewl.
The question is, what's going to happen to the Engineer?
EDIT:
Also, Australium has the same electron configuration as Gold.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 08, 2010, 07:31:10 pm
Hint: you don't have to play engie to get the items.I would anyway because it would be fun.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 08, 2010, 07:35:03 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 07:37:10 pm
Post by: fenrif on July 08, 2010, 07:41:16 pm
Gunboats got nerfed... Why?
For me they were bad enough due to the fact that fall damage still messed you up, but now they are even less useful for me.
Wat? The tradeoff of not having a secondary weapon was allready huge compared to less rocket jump damage. :(
Seems like so many silly nerfs in this update. Engie being able to pick up buildings seems silly too... Kinda makes the detonator thing useless. Why destroy and rebuild when you can just move?
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 07:44:41 pm
Post by: Sensei on July 08, 2010, 07:48:19 pm
Also, Australium has the same electron configuration as Gold.
The joke (ofc) is that that's what Au stands for (since nobody speaks Latin any more and Au is completely archaic).
Post by: dragnar on July 08, 2010, 08:05:28 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 08:07:20 pm
Post by: Schilcote on July 08, 2010, 08:08:12 pm
Perhaps gold really does make you a genius! I mean really, how many people have access to 100 pounds of gold at once to try and disprove it?
A lot of people, in fact. Most of them are probably guarding it.
Plus, if something makes any effect on the universe around it, it can be detected. If gold emitted any kind of strange radiation, scientists would have detected it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 08, 2010, 08:09:18 pm
And yeah, the shiv nerf seems needed simply because of pyros. I'm looking forward to see what the pyro damage indicator and cart glow effects look and sound like.
Engie building moving should be a sight to see.
Post by: Jack A T on July 08, 2010, 08:23:07 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 08, 2010, 08:30:59 pm
My list:
Heavy/Spy (Heavy in Payload/CP/etc, spy in KoTH)
Pyro
Soldier
Demoman
Sniper
Medic
Scout
Engineer
Post by: Zai on July 08, 2010, 08:37:03 pm
Pyro
Soldier
Medic
Demo
Pyro is boosted by me playing Speed Dodgeball, though. Engy is right behind Spy, and ahead of only Sniper and Heavy. Despite Medic being 3rd most-played for me, I probably pick to play it the least nowadays.
Post by: dragnar on July 08, 2010, 08:41:30 pm
Engineer
Demo
Why are these my top three? Simple: I can't aim. I don't play FPSs at all and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn out of melee.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 08, 2010, 08:57:30 pm
Why are these my top three? Simple: I can't aim. I don't play FPSs at all and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn out of melee.Melee is even worse when you need to learn twitch reflexes that compensate for lag.
Post by: Bandages on July 08, 2010, 08:57:42 pm
Spy
Pyro
:o
Post by: ToonyMan on July 08, 2010, 09:07:45 pm
Medic
Post by: umiman on July 08, 2010, 09:15:55 pm
Also, now we have super ninjaneers who move their entire base to behind you, it's so damn scary!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 08, 2010, 09:29:04 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 08, 2010, 09:32:20 pm
You can now engineer rocket jump. Prepare for sentries on those unreachable ledges and more hidden teleports.
OH SNAP.
Post by: dragnar on July 08, 2010, 09:33:42 pm
You can now engineer rocket jump. Prepare for sentries on those unreachable ledges and more hidden teleports.What? How!?
Post by: Jack A T on July 08, 2010, 09:39:13 pm
You can now engineer rocket jump. Prepare for sentries on those unreachable ledges and more hidden teleports.What? How!?
Wrangler.
Post by: TheDJ17 on July 08, 2010, 10:16:45 pm
Stupied game, updating so that people play it more >:(
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 10:18:50 pm
Post by: Sensei on July 08, 2010, 10:19:56 pm
Also, weren't there some Engie achievements before?
Post by: dragnar on July 08, 2010, 10:21:58 pm
Almost everyone is playing Engie right now.As expected. Good, time to sap everything with a nigh-impenetrable disguise!
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 08, 2010, 10:31:43 pm
Post by: umiman on July 08, 2010, 10:32:04 pm
I'm 100% confident the engie is going to get whacked with the nerf bat and playing him is actually more fun than a sack of dead kittens! He is now super ultra engie extreme 2000 beta 2.0.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 08, 2010, 10:33:52 pm
Also, weren't there some Engie achievements before?There were exactly 1 achievement for the engie before the update.
Post by: Giant Snowman on July 08, 2010, 11:01:13 pm
Post by: Zai on July 08, 2010, 11:02:56 pm
Almost everyone is playing Engie right now.At one point on one server I was on, there were 15 people on my team. 10 of those were Engies. It was hilarious.
Out of the new official maps, Thunder Mountain is my favorite. Hightower is my least favorite official Payload Race map. Though to be fair, Pipeline was my least favorite for a while but it eventually grew on me and now it's my favorite.
Post by: Thexor on July 08, 2010, 11:06:24 pm
So, how's the update? Are Engies as overpowered as Pyros were right after their update? Is the 'offensive Engie' no longer a joke?
Post by: Lokii on July 08, 2010, 11:11:15 pm
Sniper
Spy
Pyro
:o
This^
Also, if you want to download it now, go to Steam>Settings>Downloads and change country. Finland worked quite well for me.
Post by: MagmaDeath on July 08, 2010, 11:43:04 pm
Haven't been able to test it, as I lack the ambassador.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 08, 2010, 11:59:52 pm
Just FYI, apparently you can craft the southern hospitality, with an ambassador, and scrap metal.Yeah, this works.
Haven't been able to test it, as I lack the ambassador.
Post by: Bandages on July 09, 2010, 12:33:21 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 09, 2010, 12:34:02 am
which one's the southern hospitality? :pIt's the wrench that causes bleed damage.
Post by: darkrider2 on July 09, 2010, 12:40:49 am
Post by: Eduren on July 09, 2010, 03:51:30 am
Ok... the TF2 DF clan sounds cool... but I have TF2 for my PS3... and I've never heard of this stuff. I'm guessing I need the PC thingy to play with the clan?You poor, poor soul.
Post by: ILikePie on July 09, 2010, 04:04:28 am
Post by: LASD on July 09, 2010, 05:10:56 am
I'm also having fun with switch-taunts, especially with the Gunslinger. Taunt, change to Frontier Justice: GUITAR WHIRLWIND!
Post by: Eviltyphoon on July 09, 2010, 06:13:34 am
Post by: Onlyhestands on July 09, 2010, 06:52:36 am
Post by: Puck on July 09, 2010, 07:28:55 am
Or somehting like that.
I bet there's a lot of fun stuff that can be done with carrying stuff through your teams teleports.
Post by: Onlyhestands on July 09, 2010, 09:05:04 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Every tab in options is like this, with only the topmost left thing visible, except for multiplayer which works except for the advanced tab.
Post by: ILikePie on July 09, 2010, 09:16:34 am
I bet there's a lot of fun stuff that can be done with carrying stuff through your teams teleports.Like upgrading you sentry where it's safe, and then dropping it on front line, fully upgraded?
The engie spam is insane, I've never seen any team playing 6 engineers at once.
Post by: Simmura McCrea on July 09, 2010, 09:18:04 am
Post by: dogstile on July 09, 2010, 09:24:42 am
I bet there's a lot of fun stuff that can be done with carrying stuff through your teams teleports.Like upgrading you sentry where it's safe, and then dropping it on front line, fully upgraded?
The engie spam is insane, I've never seen any team playing 6 engineers at once.
9 engineers all overlooking that courtyard inside a base in 2fort.
It was WONDERFUL
Post by: ILikePie on July 09, 2010, 09:38:54 am
Post by: Siquo on July 09, 2010, 10:48:27 am
Also, the DFC server has been pretty busy as of late. This is a good thing. Sudden death melee does not crash any more, and is fun. Also a good thing. Admins are misbehaving. This is not a good thing. But they misbehave just inside of being really annoying, so they haven't scared everyone away yet.
Post by: fenrif on July 09, 2010, 11:01:25 am
whoever said these engy achievements are easy wasn't lying, just had a little session before my tea and got the first milestone without even really trying.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 09, 2010, 11:25:53 am
Post by: Puck on July 09, 2010, 11:43:30 am
I saw a 9 engineer team once.First time I logged in today to get a glimspe of the engie stuffz, I went on one of my favourite servers, just to be part of a 16 ppl team, 11 of which were engineers.
At first I tried to be useful by going demo (assuming hte other team was made up of mostly engineers, too), and then I just said "fuck it" and went engie too.
Post by: Org on July 09, 2010, 11:44:25 am
If I uninstall then reinstall steam, I don't lose any data, right?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 09, 2010, 11:53:19 am
Are the new maps on the DFC server yet? I hope so...You sure it's not the RTD mod?
Also, the DFC server has been pretty busy as of late. This is a good thing. Sudden death melee does not crash any more, and is fun. Also a good thing. Admins are misbehaving. This is not a good thing. But they misbehave just inside of being really annoying, so they haven't scared everyone away yet.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 09, 2010, 11:56:24 am
I am so pissed.
If I uninstall then reinstall steam, I don't lose any data, right?
Why do you feel the need to do that?
Anyway, considering steam leaves gigabytes of data lying around from games you've uninstalled, I'd say that it probably doesn't touch most of your stuff in there, and is probably safe.
Post by: Puck on July 09, 2010, 12:04:18 pm
If you purge it properly (ie looking for leftover stuff and deleting it manually) you'll probably lose button configurations, screenshots and stuff like that.
You will NOT lose achievements and unlockables.
Post by: Org on July 09, 2010, 12:08:34 pm
Steam support didn't help me.
Blarg. I can't play any Steam games. I play well for a few minutes, before my game experiences a massive lag spike.
I don't know what is causing it. It is very new. Maybe a couple of weeks since it began.
Post by: Puck on July 09, 2010, 12:10:28 pm
Post by: Org on July 09, 2010, 12:12:14 pm
Post by: Puck on July 09, 2010, 12:19:10 pm
Reinstall steam, I mean.
But seriously, you should probably delete all local content, too. I don't know if it'll make any difference, I dont know whether it makes more sense to
.)uninstall steam and then delete all associated folders
or
.)delete all local content via steam, then uninstall steam and then delete all associated folders.
On the other hand, somewhere from the back of my head I seem to recall something about some cache file... wasnt there something... but I guess steam support would have told you...
Post by: Zai on July 09, 2010, 01:17:54 pm
Post by: fenrif on July 09, 2010, 01:23:28 pm
If it was a different sentry, or could be placed on walls or something, then fair doos. But at the moment it just seems like a complete waste of space. :(
Post by: ILikePie on July 09, 2010, 01:32:42 pm
I am so pissed.I did this once, I lost all my half life 2 saves and was forced to replay the whole story (or cheat). I'm not sure if this is the case now that they've added the new steam cloud feature, but you can never know.
If I uninstall then reinstall steam, I don't lose any data, right?
It makes the engineer less reliant on sentries, which definitely isn't a bad thing.plus those little sentries are pain, they dish out a lot of damage and build in seconds.
I love the ability to move the sentries, you can build them back at the base where it's safe, upgrade, and deploy. Under attack? Pack up, move somewhere safe, and repair.
Post by: returntonull on July 09, 2010, 01:47:58 pm
The gunslinger hand seems really pointless. You get a slight health increase, but do less damage and can't repair or upgrade your sentry.
If it was a different sentry, or could be placed on walls or something, then fair doos. But at the moment it just seems like a complete waste of space. :(
Gunslinger is awesome beyond all comprehension. I am never taking it off again. My team will have to pry it from my cold dead stump of an arm.
Post by: Jreengus on July 09, 2010, 01:49:09 pm
If by a lot you mean half the already small damage of a normal sentry...I am so pissed.I did this once, I lost all my half life 2 saves and was forced to replay the whole story (or cheat). I'm not sure if this is the case now that they've added the new steam cloud feature, but you can never know.
If I uninstall then reinstall steam, I don't lose any data, right?It makes the engineer less reliant on sentries, which definitely isn't a bad thing.plus those little sentries are pain, they dish out a lot of damage and build in seconds.
I love the ability to move the sentries, you can build them back at the base where it's safe, upgrade, and deploy. Under attack? Pack up, move somewhere safe, and repair.
Also I don't think making the engy less reliant on his sentries is good. You may as well make the sniper less reliant on headshots or the medic less reliant on healing/ubering people.
Post by: fenrif on July 09, 2010, 01:49:35 pm
plus those little sentries are pain, they dish out a lot of damage and build in seconds.
They do less damage than a level 1 sentry...
Forcing the engy to be less reliant on sentries is all well and good, but with no reasonable alternative what's the point? His new shotgun only has three rounds, and is reliant on sentries anyway to get crits. The wrangler is all about senties. This is what I mean, they've given the engy something that should make him more mobile and allow him to work better as a front line offensive player, but the tradeoff for a normal sentry is so not worth it. Especially since you can now pick up and move sentrys anyway!
I dunno, maybe I'm just fundamentally misunderstanding the thing, but to me it seems completely useless.
Post by: Jreengus on July 09, 2010, 02:01:48 pm
Post by: Asehujiko on July 09, 2010, 03:25:23 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 09, 2010, 03:25:37 pm
Also I don't think making the engy less reliant on his sentries is good. You may as well make the sniper less reliant on headshots or the medic less reliant on healing/ubering people.Huntsman and Kritzkrieg?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 09, 2010, 03:29:58 pm
Also I don't think making the engy less reliant on his sentries is good. You may as well make the sniper less reliant on headshots or the medic less reliant on healing/ubering people.
Funny. I rely on bodyshots more than headshots. They're much easier to do, and they still get the job done. Headshotting is when you wanna show off
Post by: Schilcote on July 09, 2010, 03:35:00 pm
Also I don't think making the engy less reliant on his sentries is good. You may as well make the sniper less reliant on headshots or the medic less reliant on healing/ubering people.
Funny. I rely on bodyshots more than headshots. They're much easier to do, and they still get the job done. Headshotting is when you wanna show off
Headshots instacrit though, which is very useful for when you're shooting at demomen or soldiers who can blow you to hell as soon as they notice you.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 09, 2010, 03:35:49 pm
If they are in range to blow you to hell headshots won't help unless you are good at close range quickscoping.Also I don't think making the engy less reliant on his sentries is good. You may as well make the sniper less reliant on headshots or the medic less reliant on healing/ubering people.
Funny. I rely on bodyshots more than headshots. They're much easier to do, and they still get the job done. Headshotting is when you wanna show off
Headshots instacrit though, which is very useful for when you're shooting at demomen or soldiers who can blow you to hell as soon as they notice you.
Post by: Schilcote on July 09, 2010, 03:38:01 pm
If they are in range to blow you to hell headshots won't help unless you are good at close range quickscoping.Also I don't think making the engy less reliant on his sentries is good. You may as well make the sniper less reliant on headshots or the medic less reliant on healing/ubering people.
Funny. I rely on bodyshots more than headshots. They're much easier to do, and they still get the job done. Headshotting is when you wanna show off
Headshots instacrit though, which is very useful for when you're shooting at demomen or soldiers who can blow you to hell as soon as they notice you.
It's really hard to fire a rocket launcher at someone when you're dead.
A soldier can take you out from any range. Those rockets aren't affected by gravity.
Post by: fenrif on July 09, 2010, 03:41:37 pm
I did find out that you can destroy your sentry yourself to get the revenge crits with the new shotgun though, which I imagine will be patched out within a week or two.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 09, 2010, 03:43:22 pm
*Puts on sunglasses*
Just got the boot.
Post by: Myroc on July 09, 2010, 03:49:15 pm
The mini-sentries may be less lethal but then you shouldn't rely on them to get the kill themselves. They're more of an assist tool to your shotgun.
Plus, having an instant sentry (and I mean instant, if you build one first and deploy it somewhere useful) can be really helpful.
Post by: fenrif on July 09, 2010, 03:56:22 pm
You are all underestimating the damage of a level 1 sentry. Being caught by surprise by one is lethal unless you're a heavy or a spy.
The mini-sentries may be less lethal but then you shouldn't rely on them to get the kill themselves. They're more of an assist tool to your shotgun.
Plus, having an instant sentry (and I mean instant, if you build one first and deploy it somewhere useful) can be really helpful.
If you're going to build one beforehand then you mayaswell build a level 3, sure itll take slightly longer to set up, but it's infinatly more usefull.
Pretty much every other class can take out a diddy sentry before it kills them, even if it catches them by surprise.
I dunno, just seems like a dissapointing update for the engie overall. Especially since they nerfed sandvich and gunboats too. :(
Post by: Xotes on July 09, 2010, 04:01:59 pm
I did find out that you can destroy your sentry yourself to get the revenge crits with the new shotgun though, which I imagine will be patched out within a week or two.
That's actually listed as one of its features, so I think it's safe from being patched out.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 09, 2010, 04:09:12 pm
... Especially since they nerfed sandvich...This was also a mistake, partially...
I like the change to throwing the sandvich, but eating it should not have been effected.
Post by: Jreengus on July 09, 2010, 04:17:24 pm
Both of which play with but don't remove the main element of the class. Also you can not head shot but the really good snipers just do partially charged headshots.Also I don't think making the engy less reliant on his sentries is good. You may as well make the sniper less reliant on headshots or the medic less reliant on healing/ubering people.Huntsman and Kritzkrieg?
Post by: Cthulhu on July 09, 2010, 04:18:34 pm
... Especially since they nerfed sandvich...This was also a mistake, partially...
I like the change to throwing the sandvich, but eating it should not have been effected.
What's the sandvich change?
Post by: fenrif on July 09, 2010, 04:26:18 pm
... Especially since they nerfed sandvich...This was also a mistake, partially...
I like the change to throwing the sandvich, but eating it should not have been effected.
What's the sandvich change?
They added a cooldown apparently.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 09, 2010, 04:28:40 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 09, 2010, 04:30:00 pm
How long is the cooldown?!Long enough that sandwich parties are impossible. I'm fairly certain it's about the same as the Bonk!'s cooldown.
Post by: returntonull on July 09, 2010, 04:30:50 pm
Post by: Jreengus on July 09, 2010, 04:48:41 pm
Post by: Siquo on July 09, 2010, 04:53:37 pm
But now I can't ever play engi because everyone else does (And badly, as well) and I'm a team player (as in, pick what is needed) :(
The packing and dropping needs balance, or major cooldowns/setuptimes. LvL 3's popping out of nowhere is just.. really annoying.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 09, 2010, 04:55:42 pm
It'll be okay, it was just as bad as when it was demo-soldier-spamfest.Remove the invincibility sentries get when unpacking, make the build speed a tad slower, make it completely impossible to pack up Lv3 sentries. Perfect.
But now I can't ever play engi because everyone else does (And badly, as well) and I'm a team player (as in, pick what is needed) :(
The packing and dropping needs balance, or major cooldowns/setuptimes. LvL 3's popping out of nowhere is just.. really annoying.
Post by: Siquo on July 09, 2010, 04:58:19 pm
But it should be a vulnerable process, to be sure.
Post by: Puck on July 09, 2010, 05:05:34 pm
Well, looks like the gunboats...
*Puts on sunglasses*
Just got the boot.
*Puts on "The Who"* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glvGfQnx3DI#t=37)
Post by: Myroc on July 09, 2010, 05:44:02 pm
Packing lvl3's should be okay, otherwise you get annoyed by helpful engis who upgrade your "packing sentry" from 2 to 3.It already is a vulnerable process. The higher the level of the sentry, the longer it takes for it to pack up, which gives your enemy a larger window of opportunity to destroy it before it can do anything.
But it should be a vulnerable process, to be sure.
Post by: umiman on July 09, 2010, 05:49:30 pm
I love playing as medic. But what I love most is when people start going out of their way to thank you for it like pressing x + 2, typing in "thanks", or saying it in chat. It's nice. I think it makes the whole team get a morale boost too, when they hear about good teamwork on their team. It's also a lot more fun in this update when the entire enemy team is just engies, hahahaha! Bunch of morons.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 09, 2010, 06:12:29 pm
That new song with the surf guitar is badass.
Post by: Jreengus on July 09, 2010, 06:41:23 pm
Post by: Bandages on July 09, 2010, 06:55:22 pm
I love playing as medic. But what I love most is when people start going out of their way to thank you for it like pressing x + 2, typing in "thanks", or saying it in chat.
I do that even when the medic fails to heal me. My "heal" button is e + z + 2
Post by: Jreengus on July 09, 2010, 07:01:54 pm
It takes a hundred metal to plop down. That's one weapon or a medium-sized ammo crate. That makes deploying, destroying, and building new ones a cinch. Throw one down to nip a spy after it tries to backstab things. Stick it in a corner to surprise a lone scout. Use it as a diversion. Sure, maybe it is an immobile pistol shooting at stuff, but half the time, people are running around with less than half health anyways. Don't need a level three sentry to clean one of them up.
Bear in mind I haven't tried one of these out for myself, so my high opinion of mini-sentries may be skewed.
I've played with one trust me 90% of the time you're better off building a level 1 just round the corner then moving it forward. Plus it only costs 30 more metal which means you have to build 3 before seeking out something bigger than a medium ammo crate to build the next one and if it turns out you have the time it's possible to upgrade and/or repair it.
Also double damage. Really the gunslinger should drop double health same damage level 1's that can't be repaired. Then it might be useful
Post by: Puck on July 09, 2010, 07:07:17 pm
Your opponents can choose: leave the small sentry or get some crit shots right up their face.
At least I think that's how it's supposed to work.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 09, 2010, 07:14:19 pm
You gotta stop thinking about it as a regular sentry.
Post by: Eviltyphoon on July 09, 2010, 07:24:35 pm
Post by: umiman on July 09, 2010, 07:58:19 pm
Post by: Thexor on July 09, 2010, 08:02:07 pm
THe mini sentries are actually great for combat engies... You can drop them ultra fast anywhere and it's a sentry hurting people, even if at half-damage, that wears people down fast while they're busy with -other- people.
You gotta stop thinking about it as a regular sentry.
This. If you're plopping down mini-sentries and expecting them to self-sustain, you're doing it wrong.
Seriously, I believe the mini-sentry builds in ~2.5 seconds. A standard L1 takes 5 seconds if you're wrenching it the whole time, has double the damage, and can be upgraded. The advantage of the mini-sentry is that you can throw one down mid-combat, and a couple of seconds later you're now on the high side of a 2v1 battle. If you focus on the sentry, the Engie gets a few close-range shotgun blasts (or a crit robot punch!). If you aim at the Engie, the sentry wears you down. It's a real nice advantage for an offensive Engie.
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 09, 2010, 09:05:52 pm
Post by: Schilcote on July 09, 2010, 11:21:57 pm
THe mini sentries are actually great for combat engies... You can drop them ultra fast anywhere and it's a sentry hurting people, even if at half-damage, that wears people down fast while they're busy with -other- people.
You gotta stop thinking about it as a regular sentry.
This. If you're plopping down mini-sentries and expecting them to self-sustain, you're doing it wrong.
Seriously, I believe the mini-sentry builds in ~2.5 seconds. A standard L1 takes 5 seconds if you're wrenching it the whole time, has double the damage, and can be upgraded. The advantage of the mini-sentry is that you can throw one down mid-combat, and a couple of seconds later you're now on the high side of a 2v1 battle. If you focus on the sentry, the Engie gets a few close-range shotgun blasts (or a crit robot punch!). If you aim at the Engie, the sentry wears you down. It's a real nice advantage for an offensive Engie.
Except it also sort of defeats the point, being able to build a sentry installation inside the enemy base.
I guess you can still build teleporters though... but then you can't upgrade them unless you unequip the robot hand.
I guess you could also build a sentry installation in a similar manner.
Post by: Vactor on July 09, 2010, 11:24:22 pm
Post by: umiman on July 09, 2010, 11:27:50 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 09, 2010, 11:29:01 pm
Post by: Cheeetar on July 09, 2010, 11:30:05 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 09, 2010, 11:31:01 pm
I love the Gunslinger, mostly because I can ROBO PUNCH spies.The occasional ROBOT FIST vs. MEATY HEAVY FISTFIGHT is always fun as well.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 10, 2010, 03:21:35 am
People laughed on the mic, it was awesome... I "Cool Story Bro" myself.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 10, 2010, 03:40:36 am
:DI love the Gunslinger, mostly because I can ROBO PUNCH spies.The occasional ROBOT FIST vs. MEATY HEAVY FISTFIGHT is always fun as well.
Post by: dragnar on July 10, 2010, 04:23:10 pm
Post by: Zai on July 10, 2010, 04:58:32 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 10, 2010, 04:59:48 pm
I throw everything that I like in there. A lot of it is TF2 based.
Post by: Org on July 10, 2010, 05:42:43 pm
Post by: Captain Alchatron on July 10, 2010, 06:27:05 pm
How can I uninstall Steam?
Sir, you blaspheme. But add or remove programmes would probably do the trick.
Post by: A_Fey_Dwarf on July 10, 2010, 07:08:19 pm
Post by: Schilcote on July 10, 2010, 07:17:57 pm
So, does an Engie's sentry do damage to the entry like any other enemy or does it only do so when Wrangling? I know the rockets always hurt, but what about the bullets?
A spah can actually kill an engie by uncloaking behind him, and you can also easily be cut down by your level 2 if you're capping a point.
Post by: Org on July 10, 2010, 08:06:39 pm
I think
Post by: Mr.Person on July 10, 2010, 08:39:31 pm
I do not have Add/Remove Programs.
I think
I personally can't help you if you're on a Mac or Linux using WINE. Pretty certain that on Macs you can just drag and drop the icon and the program will uninstall itself.
Post by: Org on July 10, 2010, 08:40:13 pm
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on July 10, 2010, 08:43:44 pm
Post by: Org on July 10, 2010, 08:51:07 pm
:D
Post by: umiman on July 10, 2010, 10:19:10 pm
So I got to give the Gunslinger a try.High five. I have three hats for the engie. :P
I don't think I'm switching back to normal sentries. Having insta-sentries is great, even if they are really weak. Consider it a pistol with good range that hits every shot.
People have to keep in mind that it's not to be used like normal senties. These ones aren't expected to last.
Oh, and I GOT A NEW HAT. IT'S THE TRICORN THING. FOR THE DEMOMAN. So now I have THREE FRIKKIN' hats for him. ::)
Post by: debvon on July 10, 2010, 10:50:33 pm
You should hang on to your extra hats though, crafting two hats into one is a complete waste as far as I see it. If and when trading ever comes out, you'll easily be able to trade them for new ones. I think valve is just waiting for more community hats to get thrown into the mix before they introduce that. Actually, I think somebody posted that Valve was waiting on STEAM to do something before they could introduce trading. As in they already have their part ready, but Steam doesn't.
Post by: Jay on July 10, 2010, 10:59:40 pm
I thought Valve IS steam.Valve MADE Steam.
But yes.
Post by: Schilcote on July 10, 2010, 11:19:50 pm
Post by: Thexor on July 10, 2010, 11:39:03 pm
Yeah I have two hats for the medic, which I don't mind. One is the pickelhaube and the other is that little soft looking hat with the feather. I use the pickelhaube when I'm defending and the other one when I'm attacking.
You should hang on to your extra hats though, crafting two hats into one is a complete waste as far as I see it. If and when trading ever comes out, you'll easily be able to trade them for new ones. I think valve is just waiting for more community hats to get thrown into the mix before they introduce that. Actually, I think somebody posted that Valve was waiting on STEAM to do something before they could introduce trading. As in they already have their part ready, but Steam doesn't.
Of course, since Valve is in direct control of Steam, that means that only one of Valve's dev teams has their stuff ready. :P
But yeah, odds are that any half-decent hat will be tradable 1:1 for any other half-decent hat. (You might have to re-process those silly hatless hats, though.)
Post by: umiman on July 11, 2010, 12:13:21 am
Post by: Thexor on July 11, 2010, 12:16:52 am
Sniper hatless hat is nice, gameplay wise. It actually reduces the number of pixels surrounding your head while being less noticable from a distance. If there's more than one sniper in equal conditions, as stupid as that sounds, odds are the sniper with the hat is going to get blasted first.
Daaaamn, you're telling me this fugly "hatless Sniper" hat I got is tactically useful?
Ah well. It still looks like crud. :'(
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 11, 2010, 12:18:50 am
Post by: Schilcote on July 11, 2010, 01:10:55 am
On the contrast, having an insanely large hat can fool the shooters into hitting the hat pixels and not the head binding box.
I doubt anyone would really fall for that though...
QUICK!
TO SCIENCE.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 11, 2010, 01:12:15 am
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on July 11, 2010, 01:15:55 am
Now that's just silly.
Post by: Thexor on July 11, 2010, 01:23:26 am
I hate this trend of: You need the wrangler to get 3 achievements but we won't give you the wrangler until you unlock the achievement level 3 (17 of the engie's) for the Engineer.
Now that's just silly.
Pssst... you're making us old guys feel awkward. Remember when you needed 10/15/20 achievements to get items, instead of 5/10/15? (Or worse, 12/24/36 Medic achievements?)
And, just because I got one today and I'm feeling mean: the Wrangler is awesome. Besides insane rocket/bullet jumping, it's incredibly satisfying to blast people at insane distances. Several times now I've pinned a semi-intelligent Soldier against the wall, when he thought he could 'out-range' me. (Not to mention increased fire rate. ;D )
Post by: DarkerDark on July 11, 2010, 06:23:28 am
I think when it finally got destroyed I had something like 38 crits with my Frontier Justice. I immediately switched to offense and started putting those crits to good use.
Unfortunately, I only used about 20 of them before a random demo-spam crit got me, but damn, if it wasn't fun!
I'm thinking about using a wrangled level 3 sentry just to build up crits, then switching to Gunslinger for the extra health once a fair number has been accumulated.
Post by: Jreengus on July 11, 2010, 07:01:53 am
So I got to give the Gunslinger a try.I'd like to last long enough to fire more than 3 shots.
I don't think I'm switching back to normal sentries. Having insta-sentries is great, even if they are really weak. Consider it a pistol with good range that hits every shot.
People have to keep in mind that it's not to be used like normal senties. These ones aren't expected to last.
Also interesting fact: The sentry takes 10 seconds to build. The mini sentry takes 1/4 of that. A moved T1 sentry takes half the time to build. Hitting it with a wrench halves that. A moved T1 sentry being hit by a wrench takes 1/4 of the time building it from scratch would to build.
Also it has 50 more health and double damage over the mini.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Puck on July 11, 2010, 07:50:47 am
I spent hours with this guy playing Neverwinter Nights, and I'd estimate he's a nice and intelligent person.
And then he lowers himself to talking about tf2 hats.
It's now more important than ever to know THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QJvc_SxFQ#t=15). Dont give in, folks!
Post by: fenrif on July 11, 2010, 08:16:46 am
Whenever I hear people talk about hats in tf2 I wonder what the effin eff is up with them. I mean naxza for instance.
I spent hours with this guy playing Neverwinter Nights, and I'd estimate he's a nice and intelligent person.
And then he lowers himself to talking about tf2 hats.
It's now more important than ever to know THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QJvc_SxFQ#t=15). Dont give in, folks!
Whats wrong with people talking about hats? It's part of TF2, and is pretty much the only way you can customise your characters apperance in-game.
Post by: Puck on July 11, 2010, 08:48:22 am
Post by: Puck on July 11, 2010, 08:56:15 am
On a more serious note, I'm gonna PM you my mail adress, which I frequently use.
Oh, and, just to be sure so nobody misses it:
Friends don't let friends think about hats. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QJvc_SxFQ#t=16)
Post by: Strange guy on July 11, 2010, 11:35:56 am
Also it has 50 more health and double damage over the mini.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Actually the mini-sentry does 75% of the damage of the level 1- it shoots 50% faster, which also means it runs out of ammo faster.
I haven't got the gunslinger myself yet, it's the only engineer weapon I'm missing, but when I have I will probably be mostly using it since it looks cool and has effects I like. Though in order for it to be really useful moving sentries needs to be weakened- having the movement speed decrease scale to the metal in the sentry (so you don't get people carrying around 175/200 metal sentries), not having it start at full health and non-instant pickup, all for regular sentries only, will probably fix it. Though we just have to see what happens.
Post by: umiman on July 11, 2010, 12:56:11 pm
1. In a capture the point map... please don't build your stuff on the last point unless the enemy can actually take that point. Help your team out in the front lines.
2. Please build teleporters. They will save your team and it gives you points. HOWEVER, if you feel the desire to put a teleporter that only goes to your camping ground that's only useful for yourself, please don't put that teleporter right outside the spawn. It'll confuse your team and make people hate you.
3. Please help your other engineers build stuff. The old caveats are still true. A level 3 sentry is more powerful than two level 2s, it's better to have one thing completed than two things half completed, etc. Everyone will appreciate you more for helping out and the other engies will return the favour.
And lastly,
4. There's no need to stay at your base wrenching away, especially if you're not being attacked and ESPECIALLY if there are no enemy spies. Please feel free to run around shooting lesser men with your other guns.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 11, 2010, 03:30:25 pm
Post by: Nilocy on July 11, 2010, 07:21:01 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on July 11, 2010, 08:13:29 pm
Speaking of which, and Richard can vouch for it, i got five tauntkills last night.
Post by: Org on July 11, 2010, 08:14:38 pm
Post by: Zai on July 11, 2010, 08:55:48 pm
- Use the Combat Mini-Sentries for Offense, not Defense. If you're playing defensively, use a regular, level-3 Sentry. It works so much better than a Mini-Sentry.
- Try and balance out the number of Wrangler-ing and regular sentries. If you only have Wrangler sentries on your team, then good and/or lucky enemy players can just walk past distracted Wrangler sentries.
- The classic Engy advice of not putting Sentries too close together still holds true, lest a single Spy or Uber take all the Sentries out at once. There seem to be far too many people not following that and clumping their Sentries together. And if someone else stupidly places their Sentry next to yours and refuses to change their positioning, be the better team-player and just move your own.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 11, 2010, 09:12:44 pm
Post by: Jreengus on July 11, 2010, 09:22:34 pm
Post by: umiman on July 11, 2010, 09:37:56 pm
Post by: Zaranthan on July 11, 2010, 09:38:39 pm
4. There's no need to stay at your base wrenching away, especially if you're not being attacked and ESPECIALLY if there are no enemy spies. Please feel free to run around shooting lesser men with your other guns.
Mandatory Nerf NOW!! post:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zai on July 11, 2010, 10:04:23 pm
Post by: Org on July 12, 2010, 11:02:06 am
It looks life defragging worked.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 12, 2010, 11:16:05 am
4. There's no need to stay at your base wrenching away, especially if you're not being attacked and ESPECIALLY if there are no enemy spies. Please feel free to run around shooting lesser men with your other guns.
Mandatory Nerf NOW!! post:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fanservice, huh? I guess you haven't seen all the porn that guy does.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 12, 2010, 11:36:02 am
Post by: Simmura McCrea on July 12, 2010, 02:40:45 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 12, 2010, 02:53:30 pm
All the fanservice is kinda why I dislike that comic. On it's own female versions of popular characters is alright, whatever. Some cute stuff, some nice stuff, some interesting stuff. But the fanservice. My god the fanservice.Yeah I agree.
Post by: fenrif on July 12, 2010, 03:06:25 pm
I feel like playing a different class, since I always seem to play Pyro or Medic. I was thinking about Engineer or Sniper. Any tips for either? I've played a little engineer, and next to no Sniper before.
I find when I play sniper that the most usefull thing you can do is kill other snipers. That and heavies. Try to avoid hanging around areas where your teammates are funneling through. Any chokepoints or anything like that.
And move around. Don't just plant yourself somewhere and scope up.
Least thats how I play it. :P
Post by: LASD on July 12, 2010, 03:06:51 pm
I feel like playing a different class, since I always seem to play Pyro or Medic. I was thinking about Engineer or Sniper. Any tips for either? I've played a little engineer, and next to no Sniper before.
Playing Nucleus with bots as Sniper actually seemed to make me a lot better at headshots and general accuracy. Try playing it on medium difficulty on training mode. It should be a great place to start, as normal games tend to have at least one decent sniper that keeps killing all the ones that are just starting out. Though the bots tend to lull one into a false sense of security, it's better that than getting killed all the time without getting much shots out.
If you think learning by example might work for you, try watching a video or two about playing the classes. Here's one about Engi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxodkFM8N1U). It's quite old, but it's as much entertaining as it is informative. I haven't found any good "How to play Sniper"-videos, but here's just a commentated gameplay clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIOJRS53wUo) by a good player. If you enjoy Let's Plays, many of his videos deserve a look too, despite the slightly nervous commentary. There's even some using the new engi things and the Heavy one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2blv817GRo) completely changed the way I play that class.
Post by: Siquo on July 12, 2010, 04:44:55 pm
The advice is solid though.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 12, 2010, 04:55:55 pm
Other snipers are only your first threat if they actually have line of sight to you. Otherwise what you want to do is cover a single exit and not let anyone pass. Once people learn they cannot pass there, cover the next exit, rince, repeat, be feared.
Post by: Siquo on July 12, 2010, 04:59:12 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 12, 2010, 05:00:36 pm
Post by: Lokii on July 12, 2010, 05:02:25 pm
I always make sure to zoom out and flail about once in a while. I don't use the razorback because I can't hear the sound it makes when you're backstabbed. (It seems most people can't.)
Post by: dragnar on July 12, 2010, 05:11:05 pm
Post by: Schilcote on July 12, 2010, 05:15:30 pm
Haha, I play sniper (I'm not that great, but then I'm not that great at any class).
I always make sure to zoom out and flail about once in a while. I don't use the razorback because I can't hear the sound it makes when you're backstabbed. (It seems most people can't.)
Change the sound then.
I always find that turning on subtitles in HL2 makes the game a lot easier since the subtitles can hear exactly what the combine are saying from any range.
Post by: returntonull on July 12, 2010, 05:23:01 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 12, 2010, 05:48:11 pm
Post by: Thexor on July 12, 2010, 06:15:58 pm
You can kill most classes without charging your scope, no reason to zoom in. Just hit the heads.
True. IIRC, a no-charge headshot deals 150 damage - that's an instakill on Snipers, Engineers (with or without the Gunslinger), Spies, Scouts, Medics, and Eyelander Demos. (Of course, it won't kill anybody with an overheal...)
Charging is needed for other targets, especially overhealed Heavies (who can survive anything short of a fully-charged HS). It's also invaluable against lighter classes, since a fully-charged bodyshot will deal >125 damage. Semi-useful against Snipers, and an absolute lifesaver against those freakin' Scouts. ;)
Post by: Soulwynd on July 12, 2010, 06:44:55 pm
Otherwise, I don't charge it. Even for heavies. A half dead heavy is better than a full health heavy. Unless... you know... said heavy is the only thing in my sight right now.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 12, 2010, 06:59:35 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 12, 2010, 07:05:40 pm
Post by: Jreengus on July 12, 2010, 07:34:56 pm
Also the following needs to happen before valve update and prevent it, a screen shot of 1 level 3 sentry with 3 mini level 3s "following" it like little ducklings.
Pm me if you want to make this happen.
Post by: Zai on July 12, 2010, 08:04:03 pm
Also the following needs to happen before valve update and prevent it, a screen shot of 1 level 3 sentry with 3 mini level 3s "following" it like little ducklings.How the hell do you do that?
Post by: Soulwynd on July 12, 2010, 08:07:35 pm
Post by: Jreengus on July 12, 2010, 08:08:18 pm
Nah the fix was very half assed. They just made it delete any existing sentries when you switch weapon. They didn't fix whatever makes mini level 3s exist.
Post by: Someguyo on July 12, 2010, 09:19:36 pm
Only one thing more annoying than sniper snap shots (Damn you Everman. I play against him often and he's the kind of sniper that -always- gets headshots. Like... Turnaround-headshot kind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkZLJeQ1Nhc)) are huntsman snap shots.
Bah, Fragga (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDLqYdsV9Ak) is so much better than bloodsire.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 12, 2010, 09:59:24 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on July 13, 2010, 09:05:59 pm
He just Banned me from the server for no discernable reason, this is the second time he has done something like this, the first time was a kick, both times, he attempted to do it stealthily, i'm assuming so i wouldnt know who did it.
He seems to have some sort of grudge against me, and i really don't think it's very fair to let him continue doing this.
Post by: zchris13 on July 13, 2010, 09:59:20 pm
Post by: Schilcote on July 14, 2010, 01:51:18 am
I want to complain about Benzene.
He just Banned me from the server for no discernable reason, this is the second time he has done something like this, the first time was a kick, both times, he attempted to do it stealthily, i'm assuming so i wouldnt know who did it.
He seems to have some sort of grudge against me, and i really don't think it's very fair to let him continue doing this.
Trace his IP, hack his ISP, and put out a hit.
Post by: Jakkarra on July 14, 2010, 04:17:01 am
Post by: Siquo on July 14, 2010, 06:12:00 am
It'd be a shame if the server became a podium for drama, instead of comedy.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on July 14, 2010, 12:51:24 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 14, 2010, 12:59:23 pm
Post by: Dr. Johbson on July 14, 2010, 01:04:48 pm
Post by: Schilcote on July 14, 2010, 01:30:45 pm
If the official server goes down, mine could be a backup as long as no one's using it.
Post by: Rilder on July 15, 2010, 02:10:37 am
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on July 15, 2010, 02:16:47 am
Post by: Dr. Johbson on July 15, 2010, 02:31:36 am
Post by: Puck on July 15, 2010, 05:41:57 am
Post by: Jreengus on July 15, 2010, 08:09:11 am
At least IIRC.
Post by: Thexor on July 15, 2010, 12:33:02 pm
So, you'll have a net gain of points if people play for at least 15 minutes.
Of course, I've heard nothing more about this since the first time Valve blogged about it (and that time, they still manually selected low-scoring servers to 'de-list').
The other solution is to blacklist them. It's possible Valve will look at the server and say, "Hey, lots of people have blacklisted this...", but at the very least you won't ever see it again. ;D
Post by: Soulwynd on July 15, 2010, 02:28:54 pm
Post by: Zai on July 15, 2010, 03:48:31 pm
Speaking of the Spy pack, we finally get another knife for the Spy.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on July 15, 2010, 03:50:39 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 15, 2010, 04:03:18 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on July 15, 2010, 04:05:05 pm
Post by: Zai on July 15, 2010, 04:15:34 pm
Soldier gets a pack, unsure of the items.
Scout gets a pack, milkman themed (which, yes, means we get a third version of his drinks).
Pyro gets a pack, gasman themed.
Spy gets a pack, Saharan themed (with, as I edited into my last post, a knife replacement, which we didn't get with the Spyper update a year ago).
Sniper gets a pack, croc themed. Crocskin shield, crochead hat, dart gun, and darts as a Misc item for his pocket (if that item gets put in by Valve).
I think this might actually be next week's Community update. Maybe. We shall see. I say next week's because the first two Community updates were about two months apart, and if Valve continues that trend (it's possible), we should have a Community update next week. However, I'm not sure if Valve will release more new stuff so close to the Engineer update. It would hopefully get rid of any remaining Engy spam, but it would also be like stealing their own thunder.
And Soulwynd, I'm sorry, but there's no buildings that won the Polypack contest. It's always possible they'll be in future Community updates, though, especially with this part in the winner announcement:
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Out of the 70 or so entries that Valve received, Robin tells me that nearly half of the entries are of a high enough quality to be shipped in future updates without much work needed on Valve side. So, if you did not win this time around you can be confident that your items will one day find there way in to Team Fortress 2.
It's interesting to note that this update guarantees that there will be at least 2 weapons that have 2 Contributed in-game versions: the Kukri and Bonk!. The Pyro has 2 official melee weapons, but they're pretty similar, so I suppose the Gasman's melee and Homewrecker could count towards that too.
[PPE:] Same here, OJ. Especially the Sniper pack with the dart gun. It will be interesting to see if Valve keeps headshots for that (likely, but possibly in some new way, like headshots may give slowdown to the target or something), and what kind of arc the darts will have (will they be like the Medic's syringe gun or more like a Huntsman arrow?).
Post by: Greiger on July 15, 2010, 04:52:16 pm
Verify game cache shows everything is fine and dandy. Any thoughts?
Post by: LASD on July 15, 2010, 04:59:00 pm
One thing though, where's the Medic love? He hasn't got a single new thing since his update years ago.
EDIT: I'm not particularly impressed by the Pyro or Spy things, but the others are just great.
Post by: Org on July 15, 2010, 05:02:47 pm
Ok, having some kind of TF2 issue. I join a game and it's like I have an over 1000 ping. It's like playing a slideshow. However my info says I have 130ping, my usual on the DFC server with none of the other numbers showing anything out of the ordinary.Is it instantly like this, or after a few minutes of play before the lag?
Verify game cache shows everything is fine and dandy. Any thoughts?
Post by: Soulwynd on July 15, 2010, 05:04:31 pm
Ok, having some kind of TF2 issue. I join a game and it's like I have an over 1000 ping. It's like playing a slideshow. However my info says I have 130ping, my usual on the DFC server with none of the other numbers showing anything out of the ordinary.Is your FPS going down like shit? Might be something hogging your cpu. If your ping is low but the gameplay is choppy full of rubberbanding, type net_graph 3 in the console and check for choke/loss.
Verify game cache shows everything is fine and dandy. Any thoughts?
Post by: Greiger on July 15, 2010, 05:08:28 pm
Oh yea, big numbers. Getting a loss of between 10 and 40 sporatically, sometimes going down to 0 for short periods at which time it seems to work. Choke is about 30ish.
I imagine loss is packetloss. But I'm not sure what choke is, never heard of it. I must have been playing DF on my laptop during Netplus class when the professor talked about it.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 15, 2010, 05:16:32 pm
Post by: Strange guy on July 15, 2010, 05:30:24 pm
Did anyone else notice the Sniper Pack has filler text?Yes.
I like the sniper pack, though it isn't as good as the Moby Dick based one due to lack of harpoon gun, the spy pack (that or the card or silent tools were my favourites) and I like the buff banner based radio for the tankbuster, but everything else fails to really impress me, especially the gasman one, which is a shame as there were a load of great packs. Still we'll hopefully see the rest of the good items introduced later.
Post by: Zai on July 15, 2010, 05:36:11 pm
Ooh, nice. The Tank Buster gun is just so... so... I'd need some stronger words, but cool and powerful.I think I agree. It definitely looks quite different from the official rocket launchers, which I like. I also like the hat and the flag and backpack of The Battalion's Back-Up (the bugle itself is rather plain). These packs have helped me decide what class's hat I'll be crafting once these are released. ;)
One thing though, where's the Medic love? He hasn't got a single new thing since his update years ago.He'll probably get a Community thing in the near future. There were some really nice Medic packs made for the contest. It probably won't be another Medigun though.
EDIT: I'm not particularly impressed by the Pyro or Spy things, but the others are just great.While I agree for the most part with this statement, I like the knife and the flamethrower, if mainly to see what mechanics Valve attaches to them.
[PPE:] Yeah, Cthulhu, but the guy made it himself, just like the other pack makers did with theirs. He doesn't know what Valve is going to do with his items (aside from perhaps his hat and Misc. darts which never have attributes attached) so any text he wrote would just be unofficial fluff. While it was largely unnecessary to include "Stuff" over and over again when he could have just left it blank except for names and images, I like that unofficial "poster" better than the Pyro pack's "poster."
[PPE2:] I prefer the Croc Sniper pack to the Moby Dick one. My favorite Solly pack was nautical themed, and had a torpedo launcher, complete with new rocket/torpedo models, which are something I'm sad the Soldier hasn't gotten yet, even with the Direct Hit.
Post by: Eduren on July 15, 2010, 05:41:32 pm
Scout (http://imgur.com/zAxsN.jpg)
Soldier (http://imgur.com/bdimG.jpg)
Pyro (http://imgur.com/XWblg.jpg)
Sniper (http://imgur.com/1da4O.jpg)
Spy (http://imgur.com/IlRFY.jpg)
Post by: ToonyMan on July 15, 2010, 05:56:24 pm
Mirrors:My thoughts,
Scout (http://imgur.com/zAxsN.jpg)
Soldier (http://imgur.com/bdimG.jpg)
Pyro (http://imgur.com/XWblg.jpg)
Sniper (http://imgur.com/1da4O.jpg)
Spy (http://imgur.com/IlRFY.jpg)
Soldier - Tank Buster looks awesome.
Pyro - Powerpack and Degreaser look cool.
Sniper - The whole thing looks awesome.
Spy - I've seen that top picture before, also revolver looks sick.
Scout - Ehhh
Post by: dragnar on July 15, 2010, 06:01:26 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on July 15, 2010, 06:07:53 pm
Scout: Fuck scouts and the fuckers who play them. >:(
Sniper: The dartgun concerns me, because it'll likely end up like a scoped sandman, making snipers even more obnoxious than they already are. >:( Rest is unimpressive.
Soldier: The black box is intriguing, the rest seems uninspired.
Spy: Everything looks awesome.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 15, 2010, 06:11:07 pm
Post by: Eduren on July 15, 2010, 06:17:23 pm
I can't wait to slap people around with the scout's mackerel. It's got jigglebones!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccf7FPqxlkI
Post by: Soulwynd on July 15, 2010, 06:20:28 pm
Oh yea, big numbers. Getting a loss of between 10 and 40 sporatically, sometimes going down to 0 for short periods at which time it seems to work. Choke is about 30ish.That's your problem there. Choke means the server is sending a certain datarate and your client is accepting less than that. Put "rate 60000" in your TF2's autoexec.cfg, that should help. As for the packet loss, it's your internet or routers between you and the server's fault.
I imagine loss is packetloss. But I'm not sure what choke is, never heard of it. I must have been playing DF on my laptop during Netplus class when the professor talked about it.
Post by: Zai on July 15, 2010, 06:27:11 pm
Scout: Fuck scouts and the fuckers who play them. >:(I laughed because it had nothing do with the pack itself, which is the only Scout pack I saw that I liked.
Sniper: The dartgun concerns me, because it'll likely end up like a scoped sandman, making snipers even more obnoxious than they already are. >:( Rest is unimpressive.I highly doubt that will happen. I'm just expecting slowdown, a la Natascha, which would probably make the Sniper more of a team player (as I don't think the Sniper himself would be able to take advantage of people being slowed down), like Jarate.
But speaking of the Sandman, it could really use a buff. That last time they nerfed it seemed like it came out of the blue to me. Now it seems pretty useless.
[PPE:] Yeah, Naxza, but at least we get a knife replacement with this. And what would a Sapper replacement do anyway, aside from be a change aesthetically?
Unless it had wheels. Then it could be like the Sapper in Meet the Spy and be thrown across the ground onto buildings, and just have a recharge timer or something before you could throw another one.... Somebody with modeling talent. MAKE IT AND CONTRIBUTE IT.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 15, 2010, 06:36:48 pm
But speaking of the Sandman, it could really use a buff. That last time they nerfed it seemed like it came out of the blue to me. Now it seems pretty useless.Yeah, I tried playing with it recently, and it's just not fun. I can live with the humiliation effect, but at the range I can actually hit often it simply doesn't last long enough.
Post by: Jreengus on July 15, 2010, 06:37:51 pm
Quote from: http://www.polycount.com/team-fortress-2-polycount-pack/
Pick a single Team Fortress 2 class and create a minimum of three custom items for them. These items can be made up of any combination of weapons (melee, primary, secondary), Engineer buildings and/or hats. These items must be cohesively themed and fit within the Team Fortress 2 universe and time period. Make sure your replacement item set maintains the existing functionality of the original items they’re replacing, specifically any Primary, Secondary or Melee weapons you replace in your set. Valve will be selecting the top entries to make it into the Team Fortress 2 Polycount Pack and the winners will be announced 2 weeks after the contest end date, on July 12th, 2010.
Leads me to believe that they will exactly the same as the items they replace. Thus the fact that they are all similar to the items they replace rather than having anything drastically different like the targe or huntsman.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 15, 2010, 06:40:28 pm
Quote from: http://www.polycount.com/team-fortress-2-polycount-pack/Pick a single Team Fortress 2 class and create a minimum of three custom items for them. These items can be made up of any combination of weapons (melee, primary, secondary), Engineer buildings and/or hats. These items must be cohesively themed and fit within the Team Fortress 2 universe and time period. Make sure your replacement item set maintains the existing functionality of the original items they’re replacing, specifically any Primary, Secondary or Melee weapons you replace in your set. Valve will be selecting the top entries to make it into the Team Fortress 2 Polycount Pack and the winners will be announced 2 weeks after the contest end date, on July 12th, 2010.
Leads me to believe that they will exactly the same as the items they replace. Thus the fact that they are all similar to the items they replace rather than having anything drastically different like the targe or huntsman.
Quote from: blog entry
After our usual delay, we're proud to announce we've finished the utterly impossible task of selecting the winners of the Polycount Contest. These five lucky individuals will soon receive the unbridled adoration of the TF2 community when we release their packs in an update. Unluckily for them, we're also going to attach gameplay attributes (probably of a game destroying nature) to these items, sullying their perfect work with our clumsy attempts at game design. Anyway, enough mucking about, head over and see who won!Leads me to believe otherwise.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 15, 2010, 06:41:17 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 15, 2010, 06:42:00 pm
I don't like scouts either, it seems like they're always played by coked out twelve year olds who can't stand people who aren't as leet as them.I resent that remark! >_>
Post by: Jreengus on July 15, 2010, 06:42:27 pm
Post by: Zai on July 15, 2010, 06:43:34 pm
Nah, these should have stats like normal Contributed items get. I believe someone asked something about that in the pinned Q&A thread on the Polypack Contest forum, but I'll go check.Quote from: http://www.polycount.com/team-fortress-2-polycount-pack/Pick a single Team Fortress 2 class and create a minimum of three custom items for them. These items can be made up of any combination of weapons (melee, primary, secondary), Engineer buildings and/or hats. These items must be cohesively themed and fit within the Team Fortress 2 universe and time period. Make sure your replacement item set maintains the existing functionality of the original items they’re replacing, specifically any Primary, Secondary or Melee weapons you replace in your set. Valve will be selecting the top entries to make it into the Team Fortress 2 Polycount Pack and the winners will be announced 2 weeks after the contest end date, on July 12th, 2010.
Leads me to believe that they will exactly the same as the items they replace. Thus the fact that they are all similar to the items they replace rather than having anything drastically different like the targe or huntsman.
[PPE:] Ninjaed by SHAD0W. And that may have been where I got that from. =P
[EDIT:] Also, it would have been weird as fuck for a dart gun to maintain the exact same functionality as a Sniper Rifle.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 15, 2010, 06:56:51 pm
I don't like scouts either, it seems like they're always played by coked out twelve year olds who can't stand people who aren't as leet as them.Scout shares the same attitude.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 15, 2010, 07:28:53 pm
I AM MORE DIFFICULT THAN PYRO AND OTHER EASYMODE CLASSES, BUT NOT AS DIFFICULT AS SCOUT AND "I BUY ADDERALL FROM THE NEIGHBOR KID" CLASSES.
I AM BULLET PROOF
Post by: Zai on July 15, 2010, 08:23:05 pm
I AM HEAVYwhat is this i dont even
I AM MORE DIFFICULT THAN PYRO AND OTHER EASYMODE CLASSES, BUT NOT AS DIFFICULT AS SCOUT AND "I BUY ADDERALL FROM THE NEIGHBOR KID" CLASSES.
I AM BULLET PROOF
Heavy is one of the easiest classes to play. I'd say airblast Pyro requires more skill to be effective than Heavy does. Last time I played Heavy, I racked up kills by the chunk load, and the last time I had played with it seriously was about a year prior to that, so don't tell me it's difficult to play Heavy. You might be right about difficulty difference between Backburner pyro and Heavy (o look, group of people, let me jump in and hopefully get back crits) though. But the only times I've played with that was when I first unlocked the Backburner (soon after buying the game over a year ago) and when Jakkarra was really vocal about BAKBURNR SUX!!! U LOSER FOR PLAY WITH IT!!! about 2 months ago (I equipped it then in hopes of annoying him but I don't think I was too successful) but I quickly returned to my AB Pyro ways.
Post by: dragnar on July 15, 2010, 09:03:57 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 15, 2010, 09:24:59 pm
I don't know why.
Post by: kg333 on July 15, 2010, 09:29:59 pm
Heavies become much harder to play whenIa spy is around. They're just big walking targets.
Hehehe...this is true. Along with their medics. ;D
KG
Post by: Soulwynd on July 15, 2010, 09:30:10 pm
Post by: Siquo on July 16, 2010, 06:22:15 am
Post by: ILikePie on July 16, 2010, 07:14:23 am
I love hightower. And upward, maybe thundermountain too, coldfront is great as well.
Post by: Siquo on July 16, 2010, 07:18:39 am
Post by: Jakkarra on July 16, 2010, 07:31:47 am
...I like the Backburner.
Go Away.
Post by: Jreengus on July 16, 2010, 07:33:12 am
Post by: LASD on July 16, 2010, 07:39:29 am
Nah, these should have stats like normal Contributed items get. I believe someone asked something about that in the pinned Q&A thread on the Polypack Contest forum, but I'll go check.Tribalman's shiv introduced a whole new mechanic into the game. So we might see something really interesting with these. Shock effects for the car battery?
Also, this plan Valve seems to be trying is fascinating. They now have about 100 items that have gone through art design and modeling work without any effort from their side. Valve can just slowly reduce the number of employees working on TF2 and the game will still be having regular big updates. It's a commercial game working more and more like an open-source project.
P.S.
Man, that's hilarious, I want the fish so much!I can't wait to slap people around with the scout's mackerel. It's got jigglebones!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccf7FPqxlkI
Post by: Siquo on July 16, 2010, 07:47:59 am
Except for the sniper's razorback. That's utterly useless. Even though, it's still being used.
Post by: Nilocy on July 16, 2010, 09:57:37 am
Also siquo the point about the razor back, its more a detterant than anything else. It'll quite easily stop spies trying to back stab you.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 16, 2010, 10:24:09 am
Post by: Siquo on July 16, 2010, 10:24:46 am
Also, the server is full all the time now, to the point of hardly being able to get in. Which is a good thing, I'm sure, but I often still can't play ;)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 16, 2010, 10:33:39 am
Post by: Myroc on July 16, 2010, 10:41:10 am
Plus, if the sniper is with a group of teammates, a backstab is much more silent than a revolver gunshot (especially if you have the ambassador).
But yeah, other than that it's mostly useless. I go for Jarate all the way.
Post by: Siquo on July 16, 2010, 10:59:37 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 16, 2010, 12:15:40 pm
Except that there isn't really much of a being backstabbed sound to trip you off that it was broken. Five seconds later you are gonna be stabbed. And there is no real way of checking if you have it on other than taunting.I don't understand what your problem is... I can identify the sound very easily.
Post by: Simmura McCrea on July 16, 2010, 12:38:20 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 16, 2010, 12:45:31 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 16, 2010, 12:45:48 pm
Post by: Zai on July 16, 2010, 12:48:38 pm
Also, the server is full all the time now, to the point of hardly being able to get in. Which is a good thing, I'm sure, but I often still can't play ;)Yep, the DFC server's getting pretty constant activity nowadays. And I've noticed several non-DFC people returning to it day after day.
A new contest! (http://artpass.tf2maps.net/) This time the contest is to decorate a pre-made map. So you get to do half of the job of mapping. Rules page (http://artpass.tf2maps.net/rules.html) here. Contest ends September 25th. The bit at the bottom of the rules page suggests there may be rewards other than having your version of the map go in the game.
From the look of the video on the introductory page to the contest, I'm going to like this map. Especially the last CP, which is surrounded on 3 sides by a bit of a pit.
For anybody looking to enter the contest, I suggest either a swamp theme for the open spaces with the end of the map being an industrial building that looks quite out of place in a swamp or a magma theme for the whole thing, with the end of the map being some kind of industrial forge.
Post by: Myroc on July 16, 2010, 01:10:43 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 16, 2010, 01:17:47 pm
"New contest! Finish Half Life 3 for a unique in-game hat!"
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 16, 2010, 01:25:30 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on July 16, 2010, 03:01:25 pm
Post by: Lumbajak on July 16, 2010, 03:26:03 pm
He's less useful on maps with large playercounts and tons of choke points, of course.
Post by: LASD on July 16, 2010, 03:31:30 pm
Scout seems obsolete now. No decent way to kill sentries, of which there are too many. Even mini-sentries are problems for FaN users. Demo and Soldier can cap as quickly as the Scout can with the Pain Train. With movement and capping rate now obsolete, all he's left with is speed. I still can't outrun walls of spam, sentries, or heavy miniguns, so there goes that venue.Actually, the Soldier is invading on the area of speed too. Just today I was playing on Doublecross and after rocket-jumping a few times from the intel room, I took out my Equalizer and breezed at the speed of Scout under the bridge and through the tunnels to cap it.
Anyone else feel similarly, or is there some way past the walls of boolets and explosives that I can't find that doesn't sacrifice my ability to do useful things?
Made me feel sorry for arrogant little Scout.
Post by: Thexor on July 16, 2010, 03:32:40 pm
Scout seems obsolete now. No decent way to kill sentries, of which there are too many. Even mini-sentries are problems for FaN users. Demo and Soldier can cap as quickly as the Scout can with the Pain Train. With movement and capping rate now obsolete, all he's left with is speed. I still can't outrun walls of spam, sentries, or heavy miniguns, so there goes that venue.
Anyone else feel similarly, or is there some way past the walls of boolets and explosives that I can't find that doesn't sacrifice my ability to do useful things?
Put simply: There's a reason competitive teams still run two of these flighty little buggers in every team.
Speed is all the Scout ever had. The Engineer (pre-update, even) had a roughly-equal shotgun, and a pistol with 200 reserve ammo instead of 36. Oh, and those little Sentries, Teleporters, etc. The only advantage the Scout had over a battle Engie was his speed.
Cap speed was always more of a perk. Honestly, Scouts were never good for primary capping - standing in one general area is a great task for a Heavy, whereas a Scout that can't flank the opponent or execute hit-and-run attacks is toast. (The increased cap speed is great for back-capping, though...)
And the excessive Sentry spam will die away shortly. It's understandable that the Scout would suck immediately after the Engineer update, seeing as how Engineers are his hard counter. But I think Scouts may actually have an advantage, now that the Engie update is winding down - a Wrangled Sentry won't spot that Scout sneaking up from behind, and mini-sentries usually are deployed during the battle. I'm expecting we may see fewer AI-controlled L3 guns around, which would be nice for the Scout. :D
Post by: dragnar on July 16, 2010, 03:43:25 pm
Post by: Jreengus on July 16, 2010, 05:44:34 pm
a Scout that can't flank the opponent or execute hit-and-run attacks is toast
I'd disagree, in general play I do well enough running straight at most enemies, the exception being heavies especially those with natascha. As long as you double jump all the time and dodge erratically most non competitive players will find it extremely difficult to hit you. The fan is great for this because firing it after doing both double jumps changes your direction a second time without needing your feet to touch the floor. If you thumb isn't aching from all the jumping then you just aren't doing it right. ;)
Post by: Soulwynd on July 16, 2010, 05:47:40 pm
Post by: Nilocy on July 16, 2010, 06:34:05 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on July 16, 2010, 06:39:21 pm
Post by: Nilocy on July 16, 2010, 06:50:11 pm
*note for these i have the damage indicators come up, saying how much damage i've done to them.
Post by: dragnar on July 16, 2010, 06:53:28 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 16, 2010, 06:54:46 pm
The FaN is also great for hunting. It ensures that the deer goes flying backward into the forest when hit instead of just falling over.Easier to get up trees as well.
Post by: Bandages on July 16, 2010, 07:06:28 pm
Post by: Zai on July 16, 2010, 07:22:58 pm
I like all the polycount stuff cept the sniper. That's some delicious irony.The knife I can understand as it's pretty generic, but the other stuff? The Croc Razorback replacement might have some awesome effects that make the Razorback actually useful and he gets a dart gun! He even gets to have a croc head for a hat! How can you not love that?
Post by: hemmingjay on July 16, 2010, 08:27:56 pm
Post by: Zai on July 16, 2010, 09:02:08 pm
Zai is very very good!Heh, not really. While it's possible (though not probable) I'm better than the average TF2 player, I'm not nearly on a competitive level.
You should get on the server more often. Everybody should.
Post by: fenrif on July 16, 2010, 09:12:57 pm
If it does go down we should give it a proper send-off.
Post by: hemmingjay on July 16, 2010, 09:23:41 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 16, 2010, 09:34:21 pm
Post by: Zai on July 16, 2010, 09:51:17 pm
Steam tells me server is shutting down if theres no donations... that would suck. :( I'd donate but I'm a jobless bum.Actually I think Nilocy said we made the money.
If it does go down we should give it a proper send-off.
Yeah, I just checked the server donation page. We have $35.
Post by: Myroc on July 17, 2010, 05:07:40 am
Post by: Siquo on July 17, 2010, 06:23:19 am
Post by: Metalax on July 17, 2010, 08:06:58 am
I just switched back from the FaN to the scatter again. Tending to miss a lot, I need the extra shots :)
Oddly I went the other way, after switching back to scattergun from fan, becoming more accurate than I had been.
Post by: LASD on July 17, 2010, 08:49:14 am
I noticed this happening to me too. It was a lot more noticeable when changing from huntsman back to the rifle though.I just switched back from the FaN to the scatter again. Tending to miss a lot, I need the extra shots :)
Oddly I went the other way, after switching back to scattergun from fan, becoming more accurate than I had been.
Post by: Jakkarra on July 17, 2010, 11:01:02 am
Generally, the FaN is only good for being an annoying tosser, though it is fun to fight them as a Spy, as i can dodge :D. It's fun to dance around them until i get close enough for a stab.
Post by: Nilocy on July 17, 2010, 11:47:17 am
Post by: Jreengus on July 17, 2010, 04:12:25 pm
If you are accurate, the Scattergun is infinately better than the FaN.Wait why? If you can't aim then you really don't want to have to reload between shots so how does the fan become better for those unable to aim?
Generally, the FaN is only good for being an annoying tosser, though it is fun to fight them as a Spy, as i can dodge :D. It's fun to dance around them until i get close enough for a stab.
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on July 17, 2010, 05:45:17 pm
The FaN's meant to be used at point blank, so the target area is most of your screen, I believe.If you are accurate, the Scattergun is infinately better than the FaN.Wait why? If you can't aim then you really don't want to have to reload between shots so how does the fan become better for those unable to aim?
Generally, the FaN is only good for being an annoying tosser, though it is fun to fight them as a Spy, as i can dodge :D. It's fun to dance around them until i get close enough for a stab.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 17, 2010, 06:45:21 pm
Overall, the scattergun is better than the FaN, but the fan is a weapon that at point blank deals 200+ damage in 0.8 seconds or so. This means you can practically insta-kill most classes if you are a sneaky flying bastard. The scattergun takes around 1.2s to deal the same 200+ damage, but it doesn't have to reload after. So yeah, you need to be fast and skilled with the FaN for it to be any good.
The second strategy is to use the knock back to your advantage, which I did quite a lot before they nerfed, nowadays I have trouble with it, but I managed some fun things now and then. You can pretty much push someone against the wall and smack their head open with the bat when they fall. (Go to point blank, Crouch, point up at the enemy, fire twice, smack him when he falls if he didn't die (probably overcharged))
Post by: Greiger on July 17, 2010, 09:57:24 pm
But what you suggested seems to have worked. Though if it was just my ISP having a tantrum I can't say how much was yer advice and how much was my ISP. But I can play the game again so woo! Thanks Soulwynd!
Now I just have to happen to be on when folks are on the server. :)
Post by: Bandages on July 18, 2010, 04:00:38 pm
What is the password to play on the server when it's in private mode?
Post by: Metalax on July 18, 2010, 04:03:38 pm
Post by: nuker w on July 20, 2010, 04:23:21 am
Post by: Aribar Hunter on July 23, 2010, 09:54:31 am
Post by: LASD on July 24, 2010, 01:31:44 pm
Anyway, I was playing through the newest Sam & Max episode and thought you guys would like to see this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 24, 2010, 01:37:39 pm
Yeah, I saw that charity thing earlier, and the idea was so weird I didn't know what to think of it, so I stopped trying.[tinfoilhat]
Anyway, I was playing through the newest Sam & Max episode and thought you guys would like to see this:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh god, the Sam & Max universe is the same one as the TF2 Universe! It all makes sense now!
[/tinfoilhat]
Post by: Duuvian on July 24, 2010, 09:01:40 pm
Post by: Ze Spy on July 25, 2010, 04:19:37 am
Post by: Jreengus on July 25, 2010, 04:37:53 am
Post by: Ze Spy on July 25, 2010, 05:29:59 am
Post by: Akigagak on July 25, 2010, 08:59:09 pm
Dude had an uber charge nearly the entire time we were pushing the cart to first check point.
Did he ever use it?
No.
Did we ever make it?
Also no.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2010, 09:08:49 pm
Post by: Thexor on July 26, 2010, 12:25:37 am
Anyway, I was playing through the newest Sam & Max episode and thought you guys would like to see this:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh, it gets better.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I repeat, I whacked that thing 8 times just to see if it'd upgrade. I feel like such a nerd right now. 8)
Post by: Mr.Person on July 26, 2010, 01:38:43 am
If any of you guys can UV map a model and want to give me some tips, shoot me a PM. Any program is fine.
Post by: Ze Spy on July 26, 2010, 04:32:49 am
Post by: Zai on July 26, 2010, 07:49:48 pm
If any of you guys can UV map a model and want to give me some tips, shoot me a PM. Any program is fine.Whadduya need to UV map?
Have you searched for video tutorials for your program on Youtube? I'd suggest doing that. Try to use as much space as possible, leaving as little unused space as you can.
Post by: Thexor on July 26, 2010, 10:25:49 pm
Did you whack it 8 more times to see if it would upgrade again?
Sadly, no. The dispenser becomes non-selectable after that whole event has finished - the name no longer displays when you mouse over it.
Nah , i have been wrenching it a thousand times and it doesn't upgrade , Sam just can't upgrade it
Hmmm? Something's amiss here. Are you sure you wrenched it 8 times? ("A thousand" seems a bit far-fetched, if you'll pardon my skepticism. :P ) I guess there could be some other crazy, behind-the-scenes condition that I somehow triggered and you didn't, although that seems unlikely.
Post by: Mr.Person on July 27, 2010, 12:12:11 am
If any of you guys can UV map a model and want to give me some tips, shoot me a PM. Any program is fine.Whadduya need to UV map?
Have you searched for video tutorials for your program on Youtube? I'd suggest doing that. Try to use as much space as possible, leaving as little unused space as you can.
This:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I know how to physically unwrap it, that's the easy part. It's more like... it takes a long, long, long time to get results that look, at best, ok. I'm thinking about trying 3DS Max, it's supposed to have good tools for this kind of thing.
Post by: Ze Spy on July 27, 2010, 01:05:31 am
Did you whack it 8 more times to see if it would upgrade again?
Sadly, no. The dispenser becomes non-selectable after that whole event has finished - the name no longer displays when you mouse over it.Nah , i have been wrenching it a thousand times and it doesn't upgrade , Sam just can't upgrade it
Hmmm? Something's amiss here. Are you sure you wrenched it 8 times? ("A thousand" seems a bit far-fetched, if you'll pardon my skepticism. :P ) I guess there could be some other crazy, behind-the-scenes condition that I somehow triggered and you didn't, although that seems unlikely.
Wat
i Totally Wrenched that thing more then 8 times , and i can still Wrench that shit repeatedly until i got bored
Post by: Thexor on July 27, 2010, 01:50:54 am
Did you whack it 8 more times to see if it would upgrade again?
Sadly, no. The dispenser becomes non-selectable after that whole event has finished - the name no longer displays when you mouse over it.Nah , i have been wrenching it a thousand times and it doesn't upgrade , Sam just can't upgrade it
Hmmm? Something's amiss here. Are you sure you wrenched it 8 times? ("A thousand" seems a bit far-fetched, if you'll pardon my skepticism. :P ) I guess there could be some other crazy, behind-the-scenes condition that I somehow triggered and you didn't, although that seems unlikely.
Wat
i Totally Wrenched that thing more then 8 times , and i can still Wrench that shit repeatedly until i got bored
I swear, I'm not crazy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9lZvskBZRw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9lZvskBZRw) (Ignore that crazy Engineer-image spam at the very end - it's legit up to 1:02, though!)
Post by: Schilcote on July 27, 2010, 06:19:02 am
Engineer's theme!
Post by: Zai on July 27, 2010, 12:48:30 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zLJqaUDN_EHeh. Good stuff, that.
Engineer's theme!
Post by: Ze Spy on August 01, 2010, 01:05:10 am
Wubububububu
Post by: PTTG?? on August 01, 2010, 11:00:52 am
Post by: returntonull on August 01, 2010, 01:54:49 pm
I know how to physically unwrap it, that's the easy part. It's more like... it takes a long, long, long time to get results that look, at best, ok. I'm thinking about trying 3DS Max, it's supposed to have good tools for this kind of thing.
Tools a tool. You really aren't going to get different results using something else without knowing what your doing. In Blender depends on what you mean by it not looking good. You could set some lines to seams using Ctrl+E and Mark Seam so the unwrap considers it separate sections. From there you can use the pin function on certain UV points in the UV editor to lock them in place (like at say the corners) and then re-unwrap the mesh, which will obey the pinned point's locations.
That's off the top of my head though, as I'm not sitting in front of the desktop currently.
Post by: Mr.Person on August 01, 2010, 05:39:31 pm
I know how to physically unwrap it, that's the easy part. It's more like... it takes a long, long, long time to get results that look, at best, ok. I'm thinking about trying 3DS Max, it's supposed to have good tools for this kind of thing.
Tools a tool. You really aren't going to get different results using something else without knowing what your doing. In Blender depends on what you mean by it not looking good. You could set some lines to seams using Ctrl+E and Mark Seam so the unwrap considers it separate sections. From there you can use the pin function on certain UV points in the UV editor to lock them in place (like at say the corners) and then re-unwrap the mesh, which will obey the pinned point's locations.
That's off the top of my head though, as I'm not sitting in front of the desktop currently.
Turns out my problem was just that Blender unwraps UV's very poorly. Specifically, Blender just LOVES stretching circular islands into ovals. It'll also make one side of an island much larger than the other even though both are the same size on the model. It also shrinks one part of an island just to conserve angles which causes horrible distortion, much worse than if it just bent some of the triangles slightly. Fuck that shit, fixing those problems takes forever, and because I have to do it by hand, I've assuredly fucked up somewhere.
So I tried a stand-alone UV editor called UV Layout, and it's fantastic. It's basically exactly the same but without any stupid errors like random stretching or making the entire end of the island as large as one triangle on the other end.
Post by: PTTG?? on August 01, 2010, 06:06:58 pm
I'm on there, that means it's officially time for everybody else to get on too.
EDIT:
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Post by: LASD on August 02, 2010, 02:29:13 am
We need an OP change for the Minecraft Update.Naaah, that isn't really about TF2 and would encourage discussion about Minecraft. And the effect of the blog mention is already discussed in the Minecraft thread. But for you, I changed the title somewhat.
Also, I'm absolutely stumped how much donations the "let's destroy some golden wrenches" (http://www.toptiertactics.com/golden-charity/) thing is raking in (5000$ as of this post). It seems so backwards, removing something from the game for donations. Pretty nice that it's working though.
Post by: umiman on August 02, 2010, 05:00:24 am
Post by: Nilocy on August 02, 2010, 10:17:18 am
That damned avatar.
Also yes, this is a great charity appeal, and I hope they get moar money! :D
Post by: dragnar on August 02, 2010, 10:22:32 am
Edit: Misspelled name.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 02, 2010, 10:23:17 am
Post by: ToonyMan on August 03, 2010, 07:58:33 am
Neato.
Post by: Evilgrim on August 03, 2010, 08:57:51 am
Warhammer 40k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEgjqcI03xw&feature=popt14us0e).
Neato.
Interesting, although I find the massive number of comments asking for a "Starcraft" one to be hilarious.
Post by: PTTG?? on August 03, 2010, 09:49:42 am
Post by: Captain Alchatron on August 03, 2010, 10:14:20 am
Warhammer 40k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEgjqcI03xw&feature=popt14us0e).
Neato.
That's bizarre.
Are any of those chapters canon? I realise it's somewhat arbitrary when they're fighting in Dustbowl, but nevertheless... :P I think I recognised a Blood Angel and a Legion of the Damned pyro.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 03, 2010, 10:20:32 am
I don't know anything about the 40k universe except what little I read on /tg/.Warhammer 40k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEgjqcI03xw&feature=popt14us0e).
Neato.
That's bizarre.
Are any of those chapters canon? I realise it's somewhat arbitrary when they're fighting in Dustbowl, but nevertheless... :P I think I recognised a Blood Angel and a Legion of the Damned pyro.
Post by: zchris13 on August 03, 2010, 07:49:40 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on August 03, 2010, 08:59:52 pm
Post by: The Doctor on August 03, 2010, 09:28:34 pm
If they were more easily told apart (I mean, yeah the heavy is easy to tell, but the sniper? He looks just like the Engineer)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 03, 2010, 09:33:27 pm
I wish to see what the heck the spy has become.
Post by: The Doctor on August 03, 2010, 10:50:17 pm
I mean, I don't play WarHammer 40K, but I see nothing wrong with the idea. Just the execution.
Post by: Mr.Person on August 03, 2010, 11:53:15 pm
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on August 04, 2010, 12:32:38 pm
Post by: Zai on August 04, 2010, 12:40:32 pm
(generally regarded as completely useless, much like scouts).what is this i dont even
Post by: ILikePie on August 04, 2010, 12:40:46 pm
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on August 04, 2010, 12:57:31 pm
(generally regarded as completely useless, much like scouts).what is this i dont even
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Post by: Zai on August 04, 2010, 01:02:59 pm
That doesn't make them useless. They're really quite useful.(generally regarded as completely useless, much like scouts).what is this i dont evenFuck scouts. They're only good at dying and being annoying.
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...Wasn't there another version of this discussion a few pages back?
Post by: Mr.Person on August 04, 2010, 01:26:52 pm
But they SEEM useless. They're not "credit to team". They're basically Engineers who run faster and can double jump without any buildings.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 04, 2010, 01:32:10 pm
No no, Scouts are useful.What you really have to watch out for are bonking scouts, if one gets through your front lines and you don't hunt him down, he can break your teleporters severely damaging your team's chances of winning.
But they SEEM useless. They're not "credit to team". They're basically Engineers who run faster and can double jump without any buildings.
Post by: Mr.Person on August 04, 2010, 01:38:43 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 04, 2010, 01:39:29 pm
Course a Spy could do that too.That's what they're expecting!
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 04, 2010, 01:41:59 pm
Course a Spy could do that too.Not as effectively as a scout I have discovered.
Post by: Myroc on August 04, 2010, 01:58:03 pm
Course a Spy could do that too.The thing is, a Spy can take a good minute to get behind enemy lines, either by being caught disguised, or having to pause to regenerate Cloak and Dagger charge. A scout with Bonk! can run through the frontlines and to the spawn much faster.
Post by: zchris13 on August 04, 2010, 02:03:03 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 04, 2010, 02:11:39 pm
4 shots with scatter short-range and that's one down. Sometimes 3 shots.
Plus, while your breaking stuff, you can get away faster if someone decides to spawn. Or just plain fight them to the death.
Post by: PTTG?? on August 04, 2010, 02:11:59 pm
And Scouts are much more annoying when they do it, spies are just a pain in the back.
Har har har.
Post by: Mr.Person on August 04, 2010, 02:35:04 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 04, 2010, 02:38:26 pm
I didn't say a Spy did it better or whatever, I said a Spy can do it too.Look! He's shriveling up!
Post by: dragnar on August 04, 2010, 02:46:48 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on August 04, 2010, 02:55:30 pm
Especially the Fanscoots, those guys are just laughable.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 04, 2010, 03:00:04 pm
Post by: Myroc on August 04, 2010, 03:20:22 pm
Depends on what you do, i can generally take out Scouts more efficiently than pyros, as for some reason, they arent often that great at aiming, especially if you dodge a lot.The problem is that most FaN users tend to use it the way you use a normal scattergun. That is exactly how you SHOULDN'T use the FaN. You never fire the FaN unless you are perfectly sure that you're gonna hit your target with most of the bullets. A scattergun can afford to miss a shot or two. A FaN can't, but it's much more worth it WHEN you hit.
Especially the Fanscoots, those guys are just laughable.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 04, 2010, 04:20:29 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on August 04, 2010, 04:30:59 pm
But yeah, I'm also terrible at it, so there you go. Maybe I ought ot switch back to scattergun, but I just like flinging people around too much. That and FaN FlYing.
Post by: Zai on August 04, 2010, 05:16:29 pm
MY OPINION IS FACT AND NOTHING YOU SAY CAN CHANGE THATNice to see you've matured a lot, Jakk.
Post by: Myroc on August 04, 2010, 05:38:52 pm
Eh, I have fun with it. It's nice to snipe with it, since one shard always goes straight down the crosshairs.This applies to all shotgun-type weapons.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 04, 2010, 08:00:25 pm
MY OPINION IS FACT AND NOTHING YOU SAY CAN CHANGE THATNice to see you've matured a lot, Jakk.
A: it's popular opinion.
B: There's no need to be like that.
Post by: Nilocy on August 04, 2010, 08:10:32 pm
Post by: Eduren on August 04, 2010, 08:15:37 pm
Post by: Jakkarra on August 04, 2010, 09:12:07 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on August 04, 2010, 09:24:06 pm
"OMG, He's using the fan and he killed me in less than a second, not fair, not fIIIIIIARRRR... MOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMYYYYYYYYYYYY!"
Post by: Org on August 04, 2010, 09:26:05 pm
Yep, every time it shoots, ten people whine.Liar! There is only one Jakkarra, not ten!
"OMG, He's using the fan and he killed me in less than a second, not fair, not fIIIIIIARRRR... MOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMYYYYYYYYYYYY!"
Lol jk.
Post by: Jakkarra on August 04, 2010, 09:30:09 pm
Post by: Zai on August 04, 2010, 09:38:17 pm
I must admit, I laughed at that.Yep, every time it shoots, ten people whine.Liar! There is only one Jakkarra, not ten!
"OMG, He's using the fan and he killed me in less than a second, not fair, not fIIIIIIARRRR... MOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMYYYYYYYYYYYY!"
Lol jk.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 05, 2010, 06:32:46 am
Post by: LASD on August 06, 2010, 04:27:12 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 06, 2010, 06:40:43 pm
Post by: Bandages on August 06, 2010, 06:59:09 pm
Someone called for gratuitous amounts of links? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNlFyxcncVc)
WhaaAat?
Post by: Thexor on August 06, 2010, 10:49:41 pm
Someone called for gratuitous amounts of links? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNlFyxcncVc)
I believe that I speak for all viewers of this video, when I say:
lolwut.
That is all.
Post by: Myroc on August 07, 2010, 11:13:59 am
Someone called for gratuitous amounts of links? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNlFyxcncVc)I like the fact that at he intended to sap it at first.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 07, 2010, 11:21:24 am
Post by: LASD on August 10, 2010, 03:23:29 pm
Sorry to pop in unannounced. (http://www.tf2.com/post.php?id=4173&p=1)
Wasn't this announced months and months ago? I remember us having a thread for it and I'd still be up for joining this thing.
Post by: Jreengus on August 10, 2010, 03:41:40 pm
Post by: HonkyPunch on August 10, 2010, 03:50:18 pm
Why is everyone always gotta be hatin?
Post by: Dasleah on August 10, 2010, 05:38:32 pm
Post by: Jreengus on August 10, 2010, 05:46:14 pm
Post by: The Doctor on August 10, 2010, 09:29:55 pm
Because a person who learns to use the airblast well is far more Credit To Team than a person who learns to use the Backburner well. Backburner's ambush mode, which is really more the role of the Spy / Scout / Demoman.And Ninja-heavy.
Post by: Org on August 10, 2010, 09:32:14 pm
Bought a new one.
Its ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL good.
Post by: Metalax on August 10, 2010, 11:40:43 pm
And Melee-sniper.Because a person who learns to use the airblast well is far more Credit To Team than a person who learns to use the Backburner well. Backburner's ambush mode, which is really more the role of the Spy / Scout / Demoman.And Ninja-heavy.
Post by: dragnar on August 11, 2010, 12:06:38 am
And ninjaneer.And Melee-sniper.Because a person who learns to use the airblast well is far more Credit To Team than a person who learns to use the Backburner well. Backburner's ambush mode, which is really more the role of the Spy / Scout / Demoman.And Ninja-heavy.
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 11, 2010, 02:08:26 am
Post by: Jreengus on August 11, 2010, 06:03:17 am
1. Build sentry outside spawn
2. Upgrade sentry to level 3
3. Haul sentry into place on frontlines
4. Die and have sentry destroyed before it can finish building.
5. Return to step 1.
Post by: ILikePie on August 11, 2010, 06:42:19 am
Post by: umiman on August 11, 2010, 04:12:38 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on August 11, 2010, 04:16:22 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 11, 2010, 04:18:01 pm
Post by: Xotes on August 12, 2010, 06:11:48 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on August 12, 2010, 10:47:50 pm
So who's trading what for what once we get trading?I've got a Fedora, if anyone would happen to have a Yellow Belt.
I've got two Soldier's Stashes I'm not too fond of.
I'd kill for Ze Goggles, personally.
Post by: Zai on August 12, 2010, 11:43:25 pm
Post by: ILikePie on August 13, 2010, 04:31:33 am
Edit:
I'd love to trade something for a stainless pot.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on August 13, 2010, 04:51:40 am
Post by: Eviltyphoon on August 13, 2010, 04:56:29 am
I would love to trade my soldiers stach for any other soldier hat.
Post by: Myroc on August 13, 2010, 05:58:58 am
Post by: Ze Spy on August 13, 2010, 08:47:10 am
also , i switched from Soldier to Demo after Discovering i have Good Talent on the Demoman's Grenade launcher(And a Spaztic Sticky Spammer)
and Getting Fustrated at Demo-knights And being one(without the Chareg Target)
Post by: Jreengus on August 13, 2010, 09:43:28 am
So who's trading what for what once we get trading?
I've got two Soldier's Stashes I'm not too fond of.
I'd kill for Ze Goggles, personally.
I have Ze Goggle, would trade for an engineer hat or the medics mask.
Post by: Deadbeard on August 13, 2010, 12:13:58 pm
Post by: Myroc on August 13, 2010, 12:39:54 pm
I've neither, unfortunately, but excuse me for a moment as I foam at the mouth in jealousy.Wait, you want Ze goggles right?
I do have the Demoman's 'Fro, the Tricorne, and the Glengarry Bonnet for anyone looking to decorate their Demoman. Yeah, three hats for the Demo. ::)
Maybe we could set up a three-way deal. I trade my Orthonologowhatsit's Mask for Jreengus' pair of Ze Goggles, which I in turn trade for your Tricorne. Sound like a deal?
Post by: Jreengus on August 13, 2010, 12:52:20 pm
Post by: Duuvian on August 13, 2010, 02:53:36 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on August 13, 2010, 04:40:02 pm
Post by: Evilgrim on August 13, 2010, 05:16:03 pm
I just know it.. What with EVERYTHING causing "SUPAR AWESOME BLEED DAMAGE" nowerdays.
Or if we're lucky a Thrown knife, with a cooldown.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on August 13, 2010, 05:20:42 pm
New Spy knife will be bleed knife.Nonono, you've got it all wrong. It'll be faster and have higher damage, but make the spy walk a little slower.
I just know it.. What with EVERYTHING causing "SUPAR AWESOME BLEED DAMAGE" nowerdays.
Or if we're lucky a Thrown knife, with a cooldown.
Wait no that's stupid nevermind
Post by: Evilgrim on August 13, 2010, 05:24:49 pm
SPY KNIFE = Shiv, Wrench, other bleedy things.Nonono, you've got it all wrong. SPY KNIFE = AXE.
NOWAIT, SPY KNIFE = Something new and game breaking.
I really hope they don't just do what they did with the Axe.
Gods is that stupid.
And how can you improve a insta-kill weapon.
*Backstabbed*
*Die*
*Respawn*
*DIE AGAIIIN*
Post by: Strange guy on August 13, 2010, 05:43:13 pm
It heals fifty health and puts your max health at 350 for thirty seconds. Overheal amount doesn't change. Also, you can't drop it for your buddies.
It actually heals 60, though with the chocolate nerf which came with the sandvich change it is useless at healing.
Post by: Myroc on August 13, 2010, 05:48:51 pm
Death by new spy knife increases respawn time by 5-10 seconds?SPY KNIFE = Shiv, Wrench, other bleedy things.Nonono, you've got it all wrong. SPY KNIFE = AXE.
NOWAIT, SPY KNIFE = Something new and game breaking.
I really hope they don't just do what they did with the Axe.
Gods is that stupid.
And how can you improve a insta-kill weapon.
*Backstabbed*
*Die*
*Respawn*
*DIE AGAIIIN*
...it's an interesting idea.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 13, 2010, 05:49:54 pm
Post by: Ivefan on August 13, 2010, 05:52:34 pm
It better have some pretty major cons.
Like... not being able to stab from the sides or facestab? no wait... no knife should be able to do that...
i hate spies.
Post by: dragnar on August 13, 2010, 06:00:42 pm
What? Facestabs are worthless if you have any HP at all.It better have some pretty major cons.
Like... not being able to stab from the sides or facestab? no wait... no knife should be able to do that...
i hate spies.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 13, 2010, 06:12:18 pm
Post by: Konork on August 13, 2010, 06:22:56 pm
What? Facestabs are worthless if you have any HP at all.I believe he's talking about glitch-facestabs, where you backstab them in the face, not just poking them
When will Valve release the TF2 updates for the xbox release, and also how? Any ideas?No idea. A lot of the stuff is going to require not only extensive overhauls of the on-disk code, but in the way everything is handled due to memory issues. They might just end up releasing a stand-alone TF2 with all the updates.
And on the note of changing the knife, one idea I've had for a while is a knife that lets you regain health on backstabs, but reduces the angle for backstabs
Post by: PTTG?? on August 13, 2010, 07:02:18 pm
But that's the biggest way I could see them changing the knife- no backstabs, but with some other ability.
Maybe something that makes the spy more able to escape from an encounter? Oh, maybe increases his capture rate like the Pain Train?
Post by: Akigagak on August 13, 2010, 07:04:44 pm
Post by: Thexor on August 13, 2010, 07:50:55 pm
When will Valve release the TF2 updates for the xbox release, and also how? Any ideas?
Hehe... I wouldn't be surprised if Valve is desperately praying you've all forgotten about that. :P
Valve originally claimed that they wouldn't release a patch for the XBox until all the class updates were out ("It's too large for a bug fix, so Microsoft would make us charge you for it. So we'll stick everything in to one big update instead of nickle-and-diming you to death."). Of course, that excuse is kinda invalid, now that all the updates are out. Maybe they're just waiting until after the Polycount stuff is released...
Post by: Jreengus on August 13, 2010, 08:03:47 pm
Post by: Ze Spy on August 13, 2010, 09:09:35 pm
One building destroyed by the sapper results in the entire map blowing up in a nuclear explosion , setting all scores to zero and restarting the Match , and the sapper can't be knocked off , and can sap buildings from four hundred thousand miles away
Post by: Zai on August 13, 2010, 09:36:18 pm
nah , the new Spy Wepon will be the Nuclear SapperI understand you're making a joke, but the reason people are speculating about Spy knives:
One building destroyed by the sapper results in the entire map blowing up in a nuclear explosion , setting all scores to zero and restarting the Match , and the sapper can't be knocked off , and can sap buildings from four hundred thousand miles away
Spoiler: It's a Polycount Pack (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ze Spy on August 14, 2010, 08:50:00 am
seems to me that the New Spy knife Bypasses Razorbacks , Backstabs don't Make a Kill icon , Killed Person gets a Deathcam of a Random Guy which is not the spy , and the Corpse dissapears upon backstabs and only makes the death sound to the player killed and the killer , which means that it can hide the fact that there is a spy
for the Underside of having a Slower Swing rate , No Backstab Indicators and Does Less damage Poking someone with the knife
Post by: Volatar on August 14, 2010, 09:04:38 am
oh , polycount?
seems to me that the New Spy knife Bypasses Razorbacks , Backstabs don't Make a Kill icon , Killed Person gets a Deathcam of a Random Guy which is not the spy , and the Corpse dissapears upon backstabs and only makes the death sound to the player killed and the killer , which means that it can hide the fact that there is a spy
for the Underside of having a Slower Swing rate , No Backstab Indicators and Does Less damage Poking someone with the knife
Give it double vulnerability to fire damage and I might not call it totally OP. :P
Post by: dragnar on August 14, 2010, 10:03:22 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 14, 2010, 10:14:46 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 14, 2010, 01:15:26 pm
Post by: Vactor on August 14, 2010, 02:33:12 pm
That is you run up behind someone, backstab them. Your characters switch positions, you have their disguise on. They become disguised as the enemy spy that appears to have just uncloaked in the middle of the group, they are unable to fire and susceptible to friendly fire during the duration of this, after a small time it wears off of them, you can keep the disguise. It would allow a spy to infiltrate more deeply as they hop from host to host.
Post by: Mr.Person on August 14, 2010, 02:34:47 pm
Post by: Vactor on August 14, 2010, 02:39:32 pm
I'd think it better to just kill the other guy. Eventually, nobody will be fooled anymore.
at that point then you just put on your regular knife and backstab to your heart's content, as nobody is fooled by the spy suddenly uncloaking in their midst. It'd be a utility item, not a pew pew item. It would be great for taking out engineer nests.
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 14, 2010, 06:57:09 pm
Post by: Ze Spy on August 14, 2010, 07:44:19 pm
That speed rate would be a severe hit - the time those bonuses it gives are most important are when you're going to town on a group all facing one way and now you can't rush into a chainstab with it....
Otherwise Everybody will be using that Knife over the Normal one , with all that bonuses and all
Plus , a Simple "Spy *Backstab* Sniper" is enough to Make the entire Enemy team Paranoid , even if the sniper is Four miles away
If you want to Chainstab , Do it with the Original Knife , nothing's stopping you , except for a pyro
Post by: ToonyMan on August 14, 2010, 07:45:53 pm
Post by: Jreengus on August 14, 2010, 08:00:51 pm
Post by: dragnar on August 14, 2010, 08:05:20 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 14, 2010, 08:11:28 pm
The problem with the Razorback is simple: If there's someone behind a sniper, he's dead. It doesn't matter if it's a spy.Good snipers will only have spies get past them.
Post by: Soulwynd on August 14, 2010, 08:12:31 pm
Post by: Jreengus on August 14, 2010, 09:12:55 pm
The problem with the Razorback is simple: If there's someone behind a sniper, he's dead. It doesn't matter if it's a spy.Well the idea is that it gives a retreating sniper some mild protection, whilst also affording some minor protection against spy headshots. Sure they can still do them but they have a slightly reduced angle they can do it from.
Post by: Nilocy on August 15, 2010, 12:59:39 pm
Sadly I won't be there, but go play. Rawr.
Post by: Siquo on August 15, 2010, 01:36:06 pm
Post by: Akigagak on August 15, 2010, 05:31:43 pm
raagghles
Post by: Nilocy on August 15, 2010, 06:24:19 pm
NILOCY!!!!!
raagghles
Lol?
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 15, 2010, 06:51:12 pm
Post by: Bandages on August 15, 2010, 06:55:18 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfCiOzL7cYs
Is it wrong... that this sexually excited me...?
Post by: Zai on August 15, 2010, 07:11:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfCiOzL7cYsMEDICS
I ONLY HAVE ONE MEDIC
I NEED ANOTHER FUCKING MEDIC
Oh there we go
Post by: Talfryn on August 15, 2010, 07:12:15 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfCiOzL7cYs
Is it wrong... that this sexually excited me...?
Yes. Very, very wrong.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 15, 2010, 07:13:44 pm
Post by: umiman on August 17, 2010, 05:25:36 am
My eyes.... they cannot unsee... "Ubercharging" a heavy has been completely ruined for me.
Post by: Myroc on August 17, 2010, 05:53:28 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfCiOzL7cYsThe rage is strong in this one.
Post by: PTTG?? on August 17, 2010, 02:15:08 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 17, 2010, 03:34:03 pm
That man or woman deserves a pat on the shoulder for some good work.
Post by: Zai on August 17, 2010, 04:16:32 pm
When they lose the first time. They respawn and somebody[/b[] plays some violin music on the chat.That would be the person doing the video, I do believe.
That man or woman deserves a pat on the shoulder for some good work.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 17, 2010, 05:00:39 pm
I'm going with the second option.
Post by: Zai on August 17, 2010, 05:14:32 pm
The voice chat bar for a player named RecruitWhich, if you pay attention to the death icons, is the name of the guy who is recording. Therefore...
Post by: The Doctor on August 17, 2010, 05:45:50 pm
Post by: LASD on August 20, 2010, 03:19:24 pm
There's a lot of interesting stuff in there, but the part I found most intriguing was this:
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And we have guys who read Something Awful, because we try to read TF threads on every forum we can find, basically.Dun dun dun, it might be that Valve has been listening to us all along. And as they have even invited Toady over, it seems like a fair chance. Soooo,
Hi TF2 Team! You're doing good and your plan of making happy customers has worked really well with me! Tell Gabe and Robin I said hi, and that one Finnish guy too.
*cough*
Oh yeah, the interview happened on the 8th of August and Robin thought they could get the update out this month or just a bit over that. We might not need to wait for September 31st after all!
Post by: Thexor on August 20, 2010, 03:50:12 pm
Oh yeah, the interview happened on the 8th of August and Robin thought they could get the update out this month or just a bit over that. We might not need to wait for September 31st after all!
*ahem*... Valve Time (http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time).
We'll be lucky to get it before September 31st. :P
Post by: Eviltyphoon on August 20, 2010, 04:04:29 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 22, 2010, 05:51:55 pm
Awesome solider skills.
I also have to recommended this new TF2 commentator IcyToonie (http://www.youtube.com/user/IcyToonie).
Besides having 'Toon' in his name all of his videos have high video quality, high audio quality, and a really nice voice to boot.
Post by: LASD on August 23, 2010, 02:52:46 am
I also have to recommended this new TF2 commentator IcyToonie (http://www.youtube.com/user/IcyToonie).
Besides having 'Toon' in his name all of his videos have high video quality, high audio quality, and a really nice voice to boot.
I haven't found any good "How to play Sniper"-videos, but here's just a commentated gameplay clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIOJRS53wUo) by a good player. If you enjoy Let's Plays, many of his videos deserve a look too, despite the slightly nervous commentary. There's even some using the new engi things and the Heavy one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2blv817GRo) completely changed the way I play that class.Kind of beat you to it, though I didn't explicitly say who the guy was. Anyway, he definitely deserves a second mention as he's becoming better at commentating with each video. I found the guy by chance after looking for exactly this kind of videos (which there is surprisingly little of) soon after he started. I've watched all his videos to date and I dare say it has made me a better player and there's just something therapeutic about watching someone play a game really well and explain why.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on August 23, 2010, 03:02:09 am
Post by: ToonyMan on August 23, 2010, 07:13:20 pm
Post by: kilakan on August 23, 2010, 07:46:18 pm
Post by: hemmingjay on August 23, 2010, 08:44:22 pm
Well just bought this, so I thought I'd post in this thread to watch the community.
you just bought it now? wow.
congrats and I hope to see you in game.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 23, 2010, 09:09:49 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on August 23, 2010, 09:14:52 pm
Post by: Zai on August 24, 2010, 04:58:52 pm
IcyToony...frag videoI wouldn't call his commentary videos frag videos. My (personal; I don't give a fuck what the internet's accepted definition is) definition of a frag video is a video that shows a lot of (typically from unrelated matches, and even if from the same match, often without the minutes between the great shots) skilled/lucky shots, without any shots of them dying (presumably from equally skilled/lucky shots). His videos include those times where he does die, and his aren't just a series of unconnected shots. Each video is typically from the same match or back-to-back matches on the same server, and he doesn't typically skip around in the round.
[# of times typically is included in this post: 3]
Post by: Thexor on August 25, 2010, 01:41:37 am
After crafting was released, I gathered together all the spare junk I had laying around and crafted: the hatless Sniper. >:(
Just now, I gathered enough spare materials to build another hat, and I crafted: the hatless Scout. >:( >:( :'(
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So... should I craft the two together and get something I'll actually wear? Or do you think I can actually con someone into trading a good hat for one of these pieces of garbage? ::)
Post by: ToonyMan on August 25, 2010, 01:52:26 am
Post by: Mr.Person on August 25, 2010, 02:26:44 am
Post by: Siquo on August 25, 2010, 05:22:56 am
I like hatless Sniper, but that's just me.Yes, I think that it's just you.
Post by: dragnar on August 25, 2010, 08:09:11 am
Post by: Siquo on August 25, 2010, 08:47:53 am
Post by: Soulwynd on August 25, 2010, 01:16:45 pm
Post by: Deadbeard on August 25, 2010, 01:41:39 pm
Hats makes you more powerful. It's the reason why some player have to put hat over hat over hat, to compensate their lack of skills.Also why some people don't wear hats at all.
Post by: dragnar on August 25, 2010, 01:44:48 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 25, 2010, 01:49:47 pm
Post by: Thexor on August 25, 2010, 01:59:58 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on August 25, 2010, 02:29:44 pm
Nah, the halo was fixed a week after release. Much to my chagrin, as sniping the little buggers while invisible was never easier. Ah well, at least it's still a big "Place Headshot Here" indicator for everyone else!But still, it's a great burn when you get a taunting halo-wearing sniper in your killcam after you get bodyshotted.
Post by: Soulwynd on August 25, 2010, 04:35:16 pm
Post by: Old-Man-Gator on August 26, 2010, 12:21:09 pm
Post by: Evilgrim on August 26, 2010, 03:08:11 pm
New worms helmet and holy hand grenades.
The Steam add opens up. "Meh, old worm- IS THAT A HAT?!"
It still taunts me to this day.
Post by: Eviltyphoon on August 26, 2010, 04:03:49 pm
Also, somehow the icon for it is really blurry and awfull quality here. Anyone else have this?
Post by: Someguyo on August 26, 2010, 05:43:16 pm
Holy Hand Grenade sounds are fixed, huzzah. It now plays the clip when you taunt with the equalizer.
Post by: The Doctor on August 26, 2010, 08:22:28 pm
In related news, buy me the fucking game. Worms Reloaded, that is :D.
Post by: Grishnak on August 27, 2010, 09:26:17 pm
If anyone wants to do some rocket jumping maps I know a good server. :D
Post by: Duuvian on August 28, 2010, 11:03:57 am
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7d/Legends_of_Might_and_Magic.jpg/256px-Legends_of_Might_and_Magic.jpg)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT: Bah to re-skins. I still like TF2 though.
Post by: Nilocy on August 28, 2010, 12:04:25 pm
I just recently picked this game up for the pc, I love it. Add me on steam gortaak666.
If anyone wants to do some rocket jumping maps I know a good server. :D
Join the DFC (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress) and you'll get notices when we play on our server.
Post by: Grishnak on August 28, 2010, 06:45:10 pm
I just recently picked this game up for the pc, I love it. Add me on steam gortaak666.
If anyone wants to do some rocket jumping maps I know a good server. :D
Join the DFC (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress) and you'll get notices when we play on our server.
I just joined, I have access to a vent server that supports 25 people, and we only have 4 or 5 that ever gets on, and the current owner wants people to come and use it, so if anyone wants to join vent for some games, let me know and Ill give you guys the info. :D
Post by: ToonyMan on September 05, 2010, 02:16:30 am
Spoiler: Just thought I'd share. (click to show/hide)
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on September 05, 2010, 02:20:43 am
Post by: umiman on September 05, 2010, 04:54:10 am
Post by: PTTG?? on September 05, 2010, 04:09:39 pm
Post by: Bandages on September 05, 2010, 04:52:51 pm
Because you're about to get
Spoiler: ONE UP'D (click to show/hide)
Post by: Soulwynd on September 05, 2010, 05:58:47 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on September 05, 2010, 06:01:44 pm
Post by: The Doctor on September 05, 2010, 07:03:38 pm
Post by: Nilocy on September 06, 2010, 08:11:07 am
Post by: ToonyMan on September 06, 2010, 09:52:52 am
Heavy Gaga song. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTIfXTd32M)
Post by: Schilcote on September 06, 2010, 11:48:03 am
Post by: ToonyMan on September 06, 2010, 12:01:01 pm
Post by: Someguyo on September 13, 2010, 06:22:49 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on September 13, 2010, 06:51:32 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on September 13, 2010, 08:22:41 pm
Post by: The Doctor on September 13, 2010, 08:42:09 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2010, 03:13:12 pm
But he still had a troll avatar. ._.shush you
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on September 14, 2010, 03:39:24 pm
Post by: Red Fortune on September 20, 2010, 04:41:25 pm
Post by: Strange guy on September 20, 2010, 04:54:20 pm
Post by: The Doctor on September 20, 2010, 04:59:26 pm
Post by: umiman on September 20, 2010, 05:00:36 pm
And yeah, follow Strange Guy's advice and play on hugeass servers where matches take forever to end. Maps like Orange, toyfort, and 2fort are great for newbies, in my opinion, as they are very predictable, it's hard to flank, and all your team tends to move in one unit because of the map structure (also take forever to end... and very often never end at all). They work as great training arenas due to the above-mentioned natures. And don't worry about farming achievements. I find it ruins the game, you'll get the weapons eventually (or you can cheat for the weapons if you're daring).
Post by: kilakan on September 20, 2010, 06:07:31 pm
Post by: Red Fortune on September 20, 2010, 07:02:19 pm
At least I'm better than the nooby pyros.
Post by: Schilcote on September 20, 2010, 07:31:02 pm
Respawn of the Dead (http://dotchan.com/?p=1634)
Post by: Thexor on September 20, 2010, 08:11:13 pm
Heh, thanks guys, just had 2 hours of fun randomly killi- oh wait my K:D is like 0.66:1 haha.
At least I'm better than the nooby pyros.
Hey, just remember: For every guy with a 2:1 K/D, there's one guy with a 1:2 K/D. Half of all players have a K/D less than 1. ;)
(Yes, I know that's not entirely how statistics work for massed groups. And, since I hate statistics, I don't care. :P)
If you're looking for a good, easy class, try Heavy. Especially on larger (read: target-rich) environments, it's not too hard to rack up a decent K/D and be the lynchpin of your team. Just don't panic if you get Ubered - instead, run out there and make some
Post by: The Doctor on September 20, 2010, 08:46:14 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on September 20, 2010, 08:52:25 pm
A good rule of thumb is Minigun for close quaters, shotgun for far.Better rule... Minigun once in a proper position, shotgun for mobility especially when you are caught in an open area.
Try to avoid any engagements besides close quarters unless your team has a good mobile spearhead going.
Post by: Mr.Person on September 21, 2010, 01:11:39 am
Win-win. Plus it leave room for sandvich.
Post by: Thexor on September 21, 2010, 02:15:06 am
My strategy: Natascha at all ranges. Either you do a bunch of damage and kill them or slow them down and piss them the fuck off.
Win-win. Plus it leave room for sandvich.
Agreed. The recent Sandvich nerf (30-something seconds between lunch breaks :o) was a pain, but Valve also boosted the Heavy's mobility while using the Miniguns - faster wind-up/wind-down, and slightly higher speed while wound up. So, true, there's less reason to take the Sandvich, but also less need for the shotgun as a 'mobile weapon'.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on September 21, 2010, 03:01:49 am
My strategy: Natascha at all ranges. Either you do a bunch of damage and kill them or slow them down and piss them the fuck off.Now, I am not a pro player. I am not even a good player. But I am pretty sure that sticking to one build for any class- especially heavy (and sniper) is just asking for trouble. I tend to switch between natascha/minigun and sandwich/shotgun several times over the course of a match- basically every time I die, I think, hmm, should I being using this build? Natascha is better for defending or attacking open spaces, but useless for assaulting sentry nests/carts/CPs, so switch to minigun. Sandwich is great if you can use it, eg if your team is pushing forwards/ in a stalemate, but useless if you have a medic buddy, pushing da kart, or being relentlessly assaulted- better to use a shotgun for mobile destructive power.
Win-win. Plus it leave room for sandvich.
The point is, no one heavy weapon is better than all the others (apart from the bar- the bar sucks)
Heh, thanks guys, just had 2 hours of fun randomly killi- oh wait my K:D is like 0.66:1 haha.This may be a stupid question, but have you checked your mouse sensitivity? The default is really low, something I didn't realise for the first few months I owned the game. Raising it drastically increased my average K:D- to above 1, even.
At least I'm better than the nooby pyros.
Post by: Soulwynd on September 21, 2010, 10:32:08 am
I wouldn't recommend between natascha/minigun based on your open spaceness, but more based on team work. If you're a pocket heavy or have a good medic on the team that's constantly giving you attention, go for the minigun. If on the other hand, your team sticks together and have a good deal of soldiers and demos but not much in terms of medics and pesky classes like scouts and spies, go for natascha. Scouts and spies are great classes for creating diversions and spreading the enemy team around, since they go around them most of the time, when you don't have that, the enemies tend to be a big more coherent and at that point, you can natascha them to kill their mobility, which means they're easy picking for soldiers/demo.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on September 21, 2010, 11:16:51 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on September 21, 2010, 12:24:00 pm
Also, Respawn of the Dead is amazing.
Post by: Siquo on September 21, 2010, 12:39:23 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on September 21, 2010, 12:40:06 pm
Natascha is hated because it's an obnoxious, irritating weapon.
Also, Respawn of the Dead is amazing.
What is respawn of the dead?
Post by: Pandarsenic on September 21, 2010, 01:05:09 pm
Natascha is hated because it's an obnoxious, irritating weapon.
Also, Respawn of the Dead is amazing.
What is respawn of the dead?
This:
Remembered what I was going to post. I think.
Respawn of the Dead (http://dotchan.com/?p=1634)
Post by: HonkyPunch on September 22, 2010, 06:02:01 am
I spent an hour or so reading this, only to see "Continue to part two."Natascha is hated because it's an obnoxious, irritating weapon.
Also, Respawn of the Dead is amazing.
What is respawn of the dead?
This:Remembered what I was going to post. I think.
Respawn of the Dead (http://dotchan.com/?p=1634)
:-\
Post by: Siquo on September 22, 2010, 06:56:52 am
I spent an hour or so reading this, only to see "Continue to part two."
:-\
Post by: Puck on September 22, 2010, 07:06:24 am
No, seriously. I dont think TF2 needs the heavy as a damage dealer. The snaring is a lot more useful, and just gets better with moar teamwork. And last I checked T in TF2 stands for "team".
Post by: Siquo on September 22, 2010, 08:50:54 am
No, seriously. I dont think TF2 needs the heavy as a damage dealer. The snaring is a lot more useful, and just gets better with moar teamwork. And last I checked T in TF2 stands for "team".Hm. Never noticed that in-game... ;)
However, two heavies, one with sasha and one with natasha... now that is a force to be reckoned with, even without medics. In payload as blue even more fun, as you can keep on firing indefinitely.
Post by: Astral on September 22, 2010, 10:26:48 am
Remembered what I was going to post. I think.I hate you for introducing this to me... can't stop reading...
Respawn of the Dead (http://dotchan.com/?p=1634)
Post by: HonkyPunch on September 22, 2010, 10:27:47 am
Also, probably the crowning WTF moment so far..Natascha is hated because it's an obnoxious, irritating weapon.
Also, Respawn of the Dead is amazing.
What is respawn of the dead?
This:Remembered what I was going to post. I think.
Respawn of the Dead (http://dotchan.com/?p=1634)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: PTTG?? on September 22, 2010, 10:47:12 am
I just read the first section. That's soul-clenchingly horrifying.
I don't think I'll ever be able to play as soldier again...
Post by: HonkyPunch on September 22, 2010, 11:19:46 am
WHAT.and the worst part is..
I just read the first section. That's soul-clenchingly horrifying.
I don't think I'll ever be able to play as soldier again...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: dragnar on September 22, 2010, 04:58:30 pm
I love Natasha. Because somebody touched Sasha, now I dont want here anymore.Team? What's a team? you mean I'm not the only one fighting the other side?
No, seriously. I dont think TF2 needs the heavy as a damage dealer. The snaring is a lot more useful, and just gets better with moar teamwork. And last I checked T in TF2 stands for "team".
Post by: Deadbeard on September 23, 2010, 12:04:16 am
Natascha: completely worthless. Doubly so against a lucky huntsman sniper. They'll just peg you with two arrows and be on their merry way.
I love Natasha. Because somebody touched Sasha, now I dont want here anymore.Team? What's a team? you mean I'm not the only one fighting the other side?
No, seriously. I dont think TF2 needs the heavy as a damage dealer. The snaring is a lot more useful, and just gets better with moar teamwork. And last I checked T in TF2 stands for "team".
No dragnar! He lies to you. He tries to split you from your true goal!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 23, 2010, 12:28:40 am
Post by: Mr.Person on September 23, 2010, 07:25:06 am
People bitch about it, but it works.
Post by: Siquo on September 23, 2010, 08:10:13 am
Natascha: completely worthless. Doubly so against a lucky huntsman sniper. They'll just peg you with two arrows and be on their merry way.Only if you play by yourself. The amount of support kills you can rack up using natascha is enormous, as the huntsman sniper/directhit solly/sasha heavy/etc standing next to you has a lot less aiming to do. Especially against classes who rely on speed (scout/pyro/medic) it's loads of fun.
Two natascha's on one team is worthless, though.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 23, 2010, 08:16:46 am
Lag compensation makes ping irrelevant in determining who wins in a fight in TF2.Except the times it doesn't.
People bitch about it, but it works.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 23, 2010, 08:21:20 am
This is so great.
Post by: Mr.Person on September 23, 2010, 08:42:29 am
Lag compensation makes ping irrelevant in determining who wins in a fight in TF2.Except the times it doesn't.
People bitch about it, but it works.
I didn't say it works well, I said it works.
It's a tradeoff between having to shoot ahead of all of your targets depending on their ping and occasionally getting killed behind a wall based on your killer's ping. Sure, those behind-the-wall or killed-after-shooting or 50-foot-melee kills are annoying, but having to lead all your targets is even more annoying.
That being said, Valve's lag compensation is horrendous compared to what some of their competition is doing.
Post by: HonkyPunch on September 23, 2010, 08:55:20 am
There is also lots of awesome.
Post by: Astral on September 23, 2010, 08:57:23 am
Pic related.
Post by: dragnar on September 23, 2010, 10:16:30 am
k. Back to the backstabbing!!!No dragnar! He lies to you. He tries to split you from your true goal!I love Natasha. Because somebody touched Sasha, now I dont want here anymore.Team? What's a team? you mean I'm not the only one fighting the other side?
No, seriously. I dont think TF2 needs the heavy as a damage dealer. The snaring is a lot more useful, and just gets better with moar teamwork. And last I checked T in TF2 stands for "team".
Post by: Siquo on September 23, 2010, 10:37:39 am
Ever.
Post by: Shadowlord on September 23, 2010, 10:52:12 am
The fact that all of them allowed the zombie to live is mind-boggling. I'd have killed it immediately after finding out that the medic had brought it back to the base regardless of what he said.
Post by: Pandarsenic on September 23, 2010, 10:53:12 am
Post by: kg333 on September 23, 2010, 11:27:59 am
What, am I the only one who thought that Respawn of the Dead read like terrible fanfiction after the BLU base was blown up? It turned into an incredibly boring boredom-inducer of boredom +10 about the RED team having gay sex and sex with inanimate objects and otherwise acting boring, while hinting that at some point in the distant future about 3 hours in your reading future, the medic or someone else might possibly perhaps frak up and get everyone turned into zombies, or that a zombie apocalypse might possibly be going on in the outside world. I barely got through the first part and quit after a few paragraphs of the second part were just as boring.
This. It was pretty bad slashfic, which unfortunately had a promising enough start to hook you in for the duration. Two hours of my life I want back... :-\
KG
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 23, 2010, 11:30:31 am
http://nerfnow.com/comic/image/345Indeed. It would be nice if there was some consistency of leading the target instead of fuck all who the hell knows where the hitbox is now.
Pic related.
Post by: HonkyPunch on September 23, 2010, 06:28:09 pm
What, am I the only one who thought that Respawn of the Dead read like terrible fanfiction after the BLU base was blown up? It turned into an incredibly boring boredom-inducer of boredom +10 about the RED team having gay sex and sex with inanimate objects and otherwise acting boring, while hinting that at some point in the distant future about 3 hours in your reading future, the medic or someone else might possibly perhaps frak up and get everyone turned into zombies, or that a zombie apocalypse might possibly be going on in the outside world. I barely got through the first part and quit after a few paragraphs of the second part were just as boring.I agree with you, though the prospect of tf2+zombies was enough to keep me reading. Also I wanted to see what they made the pyro look like, etc. Though it was fairly poorly written at parts *Cheshire Cat Grin* etc.
The fact that all of them allowed the zombie to live is mind-boggling. I'd have killed it immediately after finding out that the medic had brought it back to the base regardless of what he said.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 30, 2010, 01:53:56 pm
Post by: Metalax on September 30, 2010, 01:57:17 pm
TF2 finally succumbs to the in-game store trend.
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4410&p=1 (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4410&p=1)
edit: oh and TF2 is currently 50% off for those of you who don't currently have it.
Post by: Myroc on September 30, 2010, 02:21:23 pm
Not sure about the Degreaser though. The concept seems nice, and appeals to me in that I do tend to switch a lot between the flamethrower and the shotgun, but the reduced burn damage is puts me off a little.
Edit: I just noticed that the Mackerel is level 42. :P
Post by: Strange guy on September 30, 2010, 02:30:53 pm
Post by: Metalax on September 30, 2010, 02:46:15 pm
So far the scout, spy and possibly sniper are the only ones I'd be inclined to go for the set bonus. Possibly the pyro's set on koth or arena maps. Still I think it's really going to take actually playing with them to see if they are worth changing my normal weapon sets.
Post by: LASD on September 30, 2010, 02:47:00 pm
The item sets worried me for a while, but they mostly balance out by the required weapon combinations.
Aaaaand, Valve either forgot about the 6th winning entry, or they are really keeping it a secret.
And booyah, recepies for Polycount weapons. I've been stocking up and got up to 94 things in my inventory. I should be able to make cool new things.
EDIT: Oh man! I have a Vintage Vintage Tyrolean. How cool is that? :D
Post by: Thexor on September 30, 2010, 02:53:01 pm
The item store, frankly, is something I can support. First, given how much enjoyment I've gotten out of TF2, I see no reason to not pay them a little extra. Second, it means I can get all the epic new items without waiting for random drops (either that specific item to drop, or two other specific items to drop). And third, now that Valve has some kind of actual, semi-regular income from updates, there's a good reason for them to keep updating a ridiculously-cheap 3-year-old game. :D
And as for items... wewt. That is all. (Although, wasn't Valve adding an additional 6th 'bonus' class pack as well? Or am I missing it somewhere?)
Seriously - full crits instead of mini-crits? Or crit/damage resistance for your entire team? Heck, kiting with the Shortstop will be epic. And I'm already trying to work out how the new knife will fit into my plans. It's a little disappointing that you have to wear the hats to get the 'set' bonus, but it does have a silver lining - you can use both new Pyro weapons at once without suffering the extra bullet damage if you don't wear the hat, for example, and ditto for avoiding the extra 'blink' time on the cloak.
Post by: dragnar on September 30, 2010, 03:45:41 pm
*drools*
Must... Have... My Eternal Reward...
Post by: Metalax on September 30, 2010, 04:02:19 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Although I thought that they had stated it would be the same as previous community content of two weapons rather than needing reclaimed metal as one of them.
Post by: PenguinOverlord on September 30, 2010, 04:20:08 pm
The user cannot be killed by headshots.
Post by: Thexor on September 30, 2010, 04:27:07 pm
My only problem is what happens when a sniper uses all three.
The user cannot be killed by headshots.
Of course, a fully-charged bodyshot is still painful (don't they often deal 150 damage?). ;)
And you might be forgetting that part of that item set is the Sydney Sleeper, which prevents you from scoring headshots either. So equipping the full set gives you both immunity to, and an inability to inflict, headshots.
Post by: Dr. Johbson on September 30, 2010, 04:32:28 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on September 30, 2010, 04:46:06 pm
Of course, a fully-charged bodyshot is still painful (don't they often deal 150 damage?). ;)The Croc sniper will have 175 HP due to the shield. Meaning a fully charged bodyshot will not kill him. And since a headshot is out, you cannot kill him as a sniper in one shot.
And you might be forgetting that part of that item set is the Sydney Sleeper, which prevents you from scoring headshots either. So equipping the full set gives you both immunity to, and an inability to inflict, headshots.
Meanwhile he can get a fully charged bodyshot on YOU killing you instantly if you do not have the croc shield. Basically, I forsee issues.
Post by: Thexor on September 30, 2010, 04:49:29 pm
Of course, a fully-charged bodyshot is still painful (don't they often deal 150 damage?). ;)The Croc sniper will have 175 HP due to the shield. Meaning a fully charged bodyshot will not kill him. And since a headshot is out, you cannot kill him as a sniper in one shot.
And you might be forgetting that part of that item set is the Sydney Sleeper, which prevents you from scoring headshots either. So equipping the full set gives you both immunity to, and an inability to inflict, headshots.
Meanwhile he can get a fully charged bodyshot on YOU killing you instantly if you do not have the croc shield. Basically, I forsee issues.
Umm, lolwut? The shield is +25 hp, according to the update page. Snipers have a base of 125 hp. Unless the update page is wrong, or I'm missing something...
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on September 30, 2010, 04:50:40 pm
Wait... I thought they had 150...Of course, a fully-charged bodyshot is still painful (don't they often deal 150 damage?). ;)The Croc sniper will have 175 HP due to the shield. Meaning a fully charged bodyshot will not kill him. And since a headshot is out, you cannot kill him as a sniper in one shot.
And you might be forgetting that part of that item set is the Sydney Sleeper, which prevents you from scoring headshots either. So equipping the full set gives you both immunity to, and an inability to inflict, headshots.
Meanwhile he can get a fully charged bodyshot on YOU killing you instantly if you do not have the croc shield. Basically, I forsee issues.
Umm, lolwut? The shield is +25 hp, according to the update page. Snipers have a base of 125 hp. Unless the update page is wrong, or I'm missing something...
Post by: umiman on September 30, 2010, 04:55:26 pm
http://www.tf2items.com/id/umiman <- check it out.
Plz dun hacks me!
Post by: LASD on September 30, 2010, 04:57:37 pm
I also made a Short Stop and The Holy Mackeral. I don't notice significant slowing in opponents, but the gun seems otherwise really good. 4 shots almost at FaN rate and a quick reload to boot. The fish seems to be pretty much a bat just with more humiliating combat messages and squishy sounds.
Post by: Thexor on September 30, 2010, 05:02:04 pm
...I just got a Cheater's Lament.
...and apparently, I'm not alone. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1449113 (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1449113)
So, what on Earth is happening over there? And is this actually going to last, or will Valve take it back once they realize I'm
And wait, the Sports Shine is the rarest hat? Damn, maybe I'll find someone willing to trade for mine after all. A pity the fish doesn't have anything special about it, but I still want it. And I'd completely forgotten that the Short Stop was a 4-barreled gun (the update page just mentioned the slowing effect, and the gun's barrel(s) are pointing away from the screen) - that makes it a little more interesting...
Post by: Myroc on September 30, 2010, 05:11:19 pm
I will never ever use another Flame Thrower again.
Post by: umiman on September 30, 2010, 05:11:36 pm
Edit: I recommend that we hold onto our vintage stuff. In a few weeks, hats would probably be more common than some vintage weapons, considering the hordes of people who are going to craft them away into new items or even refuse to do anything with them. If you have lots of spares, try to not craft them reflexively for the new stuff right now.
In other words, in a few weeks, your vintage stuff could be worth real money. Keep that in mind.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 30, 2010, 06:03:24 pm
Post by: dragnar on September 30, 2010, 06:29:24 pm
In other words, in a few weeks, your vintage stuff could be worth real money. Keep that in mind.With an ordinary economy things take years to gain value, but with MAN-conomy it's accelerated to mere weeks! Another brilliant invention from MAN Co!
Post by: The Scout on September 30, 2010, 08:27:00 pm
Post by: Sensei on September 30, 2010, 08:53:47 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 30, 2010, 09:04:20 pm
Post by: umiman on September 30, 2010, 11:30:25 pm
Edit: Whee, I now have a hat for every class except scout and spy. Not to mention a whole bunch of universal hats.
Post by: Mr.Person on October 01, 2010, 12:55:38 am
TF2items claims you can't find the crates. Well they're very wrong.
So it has one of any of 2 hats, 4 regular weapons, a name tag, two paints, and a small chance of a "super rare item".
Post by: PTTG?? on October 01, 2010, 01:04:39 am
I just found one of those crates you need a key for. I lack money to open it, but I'll trade it away and tell you guys what's in it.
TF2items claims you can't find the crates. Well they're very wrong.
Yeah, I can't say I'm really excited about the cash buy store thing. The fact that you can still get everything for free mitigates any real annoyance, but I'm still a bit uncomfortable with it all.
It only really effects people who care enough about the game to buy stuff. People who don't care that much are probably willing to wait until they get the item or can trade for it.
Post by: Thexor on October 01, 2010, 01:12:23 am
I just found one of those crates you need a key for. I lack money to open it, but I'll trade it away and tell you guys what's in it.
TF2items claims you can't find the crates. Well they're very wrong.
Yeah, I can't say I'm really excited about the cash buy store thing. The fact that you can still get everything for free mitigates any real annoyance, but I'm still a bit uncomfortable with it all.
It only really effects people who care enough about the game to buy stuff. People who don't care that much are probably willing to wait until they get the item or can trade for it.
This is true. It'll be more true once they add the ability to craft the 'set hats' - you've got a ridiculously low chance of completing a set ATM, but there's an e-mail conversation bouncing 'round the forums from Robin, claiming they'll add a blueprint to let you craft those hats. Link (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1451840).
Basically, the system's not perfect, and Valve is willing to admit that and change it. And although the forums are full of HAET, it seems like less hate than normal (see: Halocaust fallout, Sandman, every major update...). Still, drama is always fun to watch, even if there isn't as much as normal. ;D
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 01, 2010, 01:23:55 am
I will trade items for Vintage Kritzkriegs.
Also if someone has something they want to trade for a Vintage Tossle Cap, let me know.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 01, 2010, 01:37:53 am
Post by: Mr.Person on October 01, 2010, 02:10:00 am
I'm actually rather satisfied with the new items. Granted my experience with them has been limited, but the only annoying one so far has been the new sniper rifle now that people don't care about headshots anymore and they suddenly realize that bodyshots are really damn effective and they can actually land those shots.
I've been using hipshots with it to try and maximize damage. It's hard, so I've been practicing on Scouts.
Post by: umiman on October 01, 2010, 02:39:50 am
I hate, hate, hate the eternal reward. Because I get pwned by it constantly from the no-sound super ultra stealth spies...
Sydney sleeper is, as mentioned, crazy strong. Bodyshot + jarate for 8 seconds will ruin a lot of people. What's the general first reaction to when you get jarated? Frigging run away! Now imagine that happening, constantly... In the same vein, the bushwacka will easily turn groups of enemies into mush. I'd be constantly running INTO enemies as a sniper if I had it.
I think pyro got the short end of the stick again, but it's not that big of a deal. His entire set doesn't seem to make much sense combined with each other for the speed bonus and increased damage recieved. I mean, his new weapon makes puff and sting amazing, but he doesn't get to use the axetinguisher in his set...
All of the scouts new stuff turn him into some crazy monster thing. The shortstop is really up there in terms of damage dealing and annoyance. That with the healing milk and FISH... and then an extra 25 hp... it lead to me getting my ass handed to me by scouts constantly.
Post by: Rumrusher on October 01, 2010, 02:42:40 am
the item draining 75 percent of the victims health. What is worst being hit with something the game states is non-milk or the fact that the person while draining you sounds like vince offer?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on October 01, 2010, 02:47:49 am
Post by: umiman on October 01, 2010, 02:56:53 am
what about the mad milk the scout gets.It doesn't drain people's health. The wording is a bit strange, but I believe it's either trying to say all teammates who damage an enemy who is being milked will recieve 75% of that damage as health (this is probably not the case) or more likely, the scout who threw the milk will get 75% of any damage dealt to players being milked as health.
the item draining 75 percent of the victims health. What is worst being hit with something the game states is non-milk or the fact that the person while draining you sounds like vince offer?
Post by: Metalax on October 01, 2010, 09:06:35 am
Post by: Myroc on October 01, 2010, 09:53:38 am
I think pyro got the short end of the stick again, but it's not that big of a deal. His entire set doesn't seem to make much sense combined with each other for the speed bonus and increased damage recieved. I mean, his new weapon makes puff and sting amazing, but he doesn't get to use the axetinguisher in his set...As a primarily pyro player, I have to say that the Degreaser is much more useful than it sounds. I never realized how much time I wasted in battle by switching weapons until I started using it. The reduced afterburn damage is kinda harsh, but really, I would rather want an extra second or two dealing damage while alive than to deal a slightly larger amount of damage when I'm dead.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 01, 2010, 11:47:54 am
Oh a minor note, Sandvitch parties are back. The cool down on the Sandvitch has disappeared for the moment.FUKKKKKKK YESSSSSSSSS
Post by: Myroc on October 01, 2010, 12:42:31 pm
Post by: Toady Two on October 01, 2010, 03:51:59 pm
Really enjoyed my time on the DFC server today. For a moment there we had 24/24. My username is 3u$t4chy.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 01, 2010, 04:32:59 pm
Post by: Akigagak on October 01, 2010, 04:48:52 pm
*
Spoiler: Mac Fix (click to show/hide)
Post by: Org on October 01, 2010, 05:03:41 pm
Post by: Cecilff2 on October 01, 2010, 05:06:43 pm
Post by: umiman on October 01, 2010, 05:34:42 pm
Really enjoyed my time on the DFC server today. For a moment there we had 24/24. My username is 3u$t4chy.Yeah, the DFC server today was filled with a lot of great people and the teams were very well balanced.
Edit: oh dear god... Here's what mad milk actually does.
"Once a target is covered in milk, 75% of the damage done to them is returned as health to whoever damages them, be they the Scout that threw the milk or his teammates"
Allow me to cry out... OVERPOWERED!!!
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on October 01, 2010, 06:27:00 pm
Allow me to cry out... OVERPOWERED!!!It's a primary.
Post by: umiman on October 01, 2010, 06:29:32 pm
Post by: Megaman on October 01, 2010, 06:31:30 pm
Post by: umiman on October 01, 2010, 06:32:20 pm
Indeed it's not. however since you loose the pistol, you're sacrificing your long range abilities.Shortstop doesn't have spread. So it works perfectly fine long range.
Besides, it's not the scout himself that is worrysome. It's that when you combine this with teamwork... Jesus, it's more scary than an uber.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 01, 2010, 06:42:07 pm
But yeah, people have low enough health that it should not be an issue. That healing will be spread out to all the combatants anyway. Granted one could hit multiple foes with it, but it isn't much more of an issue than Jarate.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on October 01, 2010, 06:43:39 pm
No it isn't.I really wonder how that got by...
Note to self, never trust the steam forums.
Post by: Thexor on October 01, 2010, 07:25:03 pm
It isn't terribly overpowered, as at most it'll heal somebody around 225 from killing a full-health heavy. And that's only if all of your shots contributed to the kill. Although I wonder what the effect of a spy backstabbing a milked guy would have.
Well, said Spy would heal to full. Even if you earned 75% of the backstab damage (300 hp * 6x backstab damage * 0.75 heal = 1350), I'm assuming you'd just cap out at 125 like always.
Really, it's handy, but hardly moreso than Jarate. And the Scout's Pistol is a fairly powerful weapon - 10+ damage per shot, at mid-to-long range, with 12 shots per magazine is pretty powerful once you get around the whole "secondary peashooter" mentality. ;)
Post by: The Doctor on October 01, 2010, 07:55:04 pm
What happens when you Jarate someone who has been Milked?
Post by: Akigagak on October 01, 2010, 08:10:02 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 01, 2010, 08:31:59 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on October 01, 2010, 10:16:52 pm
Post by: Thexor on October 01, 2010, 11:07:03 pm
Jarate is number one. The "Milk" is number three.
Just remember, it takes the Scout roughly 15 seconds to refill an entire bottle of the stuff.
Think about that the next time someone coats you in it.
Then ask yourself, "But how do they heal from it?" :o
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on October 01, 2010, 11:12:21 pm
And if anyone wonders how that is even physically possible... He's fast.Jarate is number one. The "Milk" is number three.Just remember, it takes the Scout roughly 15 seconds to refill an entire bottle of the stuff.
Think about that the next time someone coats you in it.
Then ask yourself, "But how do they heal from it?" :oFetish freeks.
Post by: umiman on October 02, 2010, 12:10:23 am
By the way, I am now swimming in hats. I also have the Vita-saw, one of the rarest things you'll ever find (it sucks though). Traded a crate for it. Once in awhile, valve will reward your trading with another extra weapon along with the thing you traded for, so it's good to trade often. I've been jumping through approximately what seems to be about 50 - 60 servers now and my hat collection has expanded dramatically!
Keep trading them items!
Post by: Schilcote on October 02, 2010, 12:23:05 am
Post by: umiman on October 02, 2010, 03:44:46 am
Post by: Myroc on October 02, 2010, 04:41:02 am
Post by: ILikePie on October 02, 2010, 05:08:32 am
e, I think I missed something. Why do I have "Vintage" on all my items?
Post by: Eviltyphoon on October 02, 2010, 07:25:26 am
Name-tag (kinda good I guess)
Gunslinger (OMGWTFWHYYYYYYYYY)
New sombrero hat (FUUUUUUUCK YEEAAAAAAAAH)
Post by: Metalax on October 02, 2010, 08:14:31 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 02, 2010, 08:36:36 am
All your items you had before the update are now vintage items. This is to distinguish them from the store bought or traded items as you got them from honest idling.New items aren't "vintage" either, though.
Post by: Zai on October 02, 2010, 12:00:58 pm
Post by: Thexor on October 02, 2010, 12:19:09 pm
The new items range between "mostly useless" (Sydney Sleeper seems this way - no headshots, and applies Jarate only on 50%+ charged hits...) to "OMG THIS IS AWESOME!!1" (Short Stop. 4-barreled, long-range shotgun - it'd be epic even if it didn't slow people!), with most of them at least mostly awesome.
The hats are a pain in the rear, but apparently crafting recipes will be released sooner or later for them. (Or so I've heard.) Until then, yeah, you basically have to buy the item set bonuses.
The store is debatable. You can acquire nearly every item in there from random drops, and trading means that it's easier to get the random drops you need (not to mention that trading frequently seems to trigger more random drops for the participants!). Honestly, the prices are ridiculous - one new hat costs almost as much as TF2 does when it's not on sale! On the flip side, I've definitely gotten more than $10 worth of enjoyment from TF2, so I'm not adverse to paying them more money (unlike those other FPSes that charge full-price for the game and then demand that you buy DLC to keep up). And the fact that some of the money goes to the weapon designers is excellent; not only are good artists rewarded for their work, it's also an encouragement for more highly-skilled amateur modelers to submit more high-quality weapons.
Post by: HonkyPunch on October 02, 2010, 12:31:15 pm
Also i'm glad to see the people of polycount contributing to games as a collective effort;
I've been there since 2004 and they are exceptionally talented people.
Post by: Sensei on October 02, 2010, 01:04:49 pm
Post by: kilakan on October 02, 2010, 01:14:14 pm
Post by: Thexor on October 02, 2010, 01:24:02 pm
Did you see the dueling badges? They require you to win duels- tiers are earned every 250 wins. I've gotten a random duel drop but still, given the chances of that you're probably going to have to spend about $250 per dueling badge tier. Craziness.
EDIT: Whoops, forgot - it's a tier every 25 levels, not every 25 wins. So yeah, it is 250 wins per tier, and more like $100 per tier. Oops, sorry!
(Also, if you're challenging strangers, you're likely to challenge people you think you can beat, hence you'll likely have more than a 50% win/loss rate (and, they'll probably still accept your duel because it's a chance to get a duel win for 'free'). If you're challenging friends, you'll probably be closer to 50/50, but hopefully they'll buy some tokens to challenge you back, so you'll get some chances at 'free' duel wins. So the '2.5 wins per dollar' stat is on the low end.)
Post by: Mr.Person on October 02, 2010, 01:35:35 pm
I think every player should get a free dueling token every week. As it is, there's hardly any duels going on, which is sad since they look really fun. Also gifts should drop since giving them out and receiving them is really cool. I'd honestly rather get the Oprah-gifts than a hat.
Post by: Sensei on October 02, 2010, 02:15:36 pm
Post by: Schilcote on October 02, 2010, 02:29:55 pm
The new items range between "mostly useless" (Sydney Sleeper seems this way - no headshots, and applies Jarate only on 50%+ charged hits...) to "OMG THIS IS AWESOME!!1" (Short Stop. 4-barreled, long-range shotgun - it'd be epic even if it didn't slow people!), with most of them at least mostly awesome.
I dunno, the Sleeper seemed pretty powerful when I was playing last night. The guy who had it was totally ruining everyone and not even scoping... Even he was complaining about how overpowered it was.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 02, 2010, 02:45:02 pm
What does everybody think of The Eternal Reward?
Post by: Sensei on October 02, 2010, 03:14:48 pm
I just got The Stranger but I haven't tried it out.
Also, I noticed a note in our server description about speaking english- is that because of the french guy that came in earlier? :P
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 02, 2010, 06:49:48 pm
Post by: Schilcote on October 02, 2010, 06:50:16 pm
Pills!
Post by: Metalax on October 02, 2010, 06:53:35 pm
Also, I noticed a note in our server description about speaking english- is that because of the french guy that came in earlier? :P
Not really, we've had that on the server more or less since the beginning.
Post by: Ivefan on October 02, 2010, 06:56:13 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgfrslBAIM4
Pills!
Annoying sound.
Post by: Sensei on October 02, 2010, 07:29:17 pm
What exactly are duels?It's an item, you can use it in your backpack or equip it to your action slot (this also goes for presents) and press the action button. In the case of duels, you select one person to duel. If they accept the duel request, one use of the "Duel" item is expended and you get duel symbols over eachother's heads. Then it adds one point to each of your duel scores for kills/assists against your dueling opponent, and the one with the most duel points at the end of the duel wins.
This factors into the duel medal I was talking about earlier- it gets a level every 10 wins, and upgrades every 250 wins (25 levels). It goes up to level 100, or 1000 wins. Which is crazy even with duels costing 20 cents apiece (you buy them in packs of five only). Duels and be dropped randomly, but that's one at a time.
Post by: Megaman on October 02, 2010, 07:34:05 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 02, 2010, 07:38:49 pm
I would have rather have a TF3 than this since valve is simply trying to milk more money off TF2 .Yeah, they're selling the game for half off and you're not even required to buy anything at the store! What a sham.
Post by: Schilcote on October 02, 2010, 08:34:15 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgfrslBAIM4
Pills!
Annoying sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB_57hQ_R5Y&feature=related
I would have rather have a TF3 than this since valve is simply trying to milk more money off TF2 .Yeah, they're selling the game for half off and you're not even required to buy anything at the store! What a sham.
CAPITALISM ASSHOLES
YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN GO TO CUBA
But seriously, there's absolutely nothing wrong with optional paid DLC. I mean, think of all the free stuff we get from Valve. It's only right that they get a few extra bucks off of it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 02, 2010, 08:55:09 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on October 02, 2010, 09:14:21 pm
And there isn't really anything game-effecting you can buy from the shop that you can't get from drops.Other than the set hats.
Post by: Thexor on October 02, 2010, 09:19:43 pm
The new items range between "mostly useless" (Sydney Sleeper seems this way - no headshots, and applies Jarate only on 50%+ charged hits...) to "OMG THIS IS AWESOME!!1" (Short Stop. 4-barreled, long-range shotgun - it'd be epic even if it didn't slow people!), with most of them at least mostly awesome.
I dunno, the Sleeper seemed pretty powerful when I was playing last night. The guy who had it was totally ruining everyone and not even scoping... Even he was complaining about how overpowered it was.
Wait, what? The Sleeper, non-scoped, is exactly the same as the basic Sniper Rifle. You need a 50% scope charge before it applies Jarate... and if you're not applying Jarate, it's just a SR that can't headshot and has a different appearance. Well, that plus the set bonus if you're wearing everything. It's possible he was bodyshotting everything to death, but again, that's only useful if you can exploit the Jarate effect - if you aren't getting some benefit from the mini-crits, then it's a sniper rifle without the guaranteed headshot crits. ???
Post by: Mr.Person on October 02, 2010, 09:21:08 pm
Post by: Thexor on October 02, 2010, 09:23:56 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on October 02, 2010, 09:28:04 pm
Emphasis on the slight.
Post by: Thexor on October 02, 2010, 10:05:01 pm
Overall, the TF2 forum has 36,000 threads in it.
Yes, that's one-fourth of the entire TF2 forum, all about trading. Over 3000 threads per day. :o
This is insane.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 02, 2010, 10:20:50 pm
And there isn't really anything game-effecting you can buy from the shop that you can't get from drops.Other than the set hats.
Are you saying the set hats don't drop?
Post by: Mr.Person on October 02, 2010, 10:44:16 pm
Well, hrrm. The SPUF now has a Trading Subsection. In the, what, 3 days since the update's gone live, there have been 8893 posts made in it.
Overall, the TF2 forum has 36,000 threads in it.
Yes, that's one-fourth of the entire TF2 forum, all about trading. Over 3000 threads per day. :o
This is insane.
The Trading subforum went live about a month or so ago.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on October 02, 2010, 10:45:18 pm
Post by: Sensei on October 02, 2010, 10:55:24 pm
Also are you sure you aren't confusing posts and threads?
Post by: umiman on October 02, 2010, 11:11:14 pm
Post by: Zai on October 02, 2010, 11:50:23 pm
I think I'll actually buy the Polycount-packs bundle in the TF2 store at some point in the near future, maybe. I've gotten a lot of entertainment out of TF2 for what little I paid for it (I paid $30 for The Orange Box, which included 4 other games, all of which I hadn't played before) and that bundle seems like as good a purchase as any for a "donation."
In other news: I love the Holy Mackerel.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 02, 2010, 11:56:04 pm
In other news: I love the Holy Mackerel.
Goddammit Valve, how can you make my most hated weapon, one I cannot use because lag and latency and low FPS makes getting repeated hits on anybody a gamble, so damn fun?
Post by: dragnar on October 03, 2010, 12:12:17 am
I paid $30 for The Orange Box, which included 4 other games, all of which I hadn't played beforeWHAT?! You own, but have not played, Portal?!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 03, 2010, 12:18:58 am
He paid $30 for it? I got it for $10.I paid $30 for The Orange Box, which included 4 other games, all of which I hadn't played beforeWHAT?! You own, but have not played, Portal?!
Post by: Zai on October 03, 2010, 12:26:44 am
...That meant that I hadn't played any other games in The Orange Box before purchasing it. As in, I hadn't owned or played HL2 before getting the Orange Box.I paid $30 for The Orange Box, which included 4 other games, all of which I hadn't played beforeWHAT?! You own, but have not played, Portal?!
I've completed all 4 of the other games in the Orange Box now (I first played Portal about a week after getting the Orange Box, but only played HL2:Ep2 back in June of this year (I got it back in either March or April of 2009)).
And yeah, Duke. I got the Orange Box at a retail store (not on sale). Thus, $30.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 03, 2010, 12:30:35 am
Post by: Thexor on October 03, 2010, 12:36:14 am
No, he's right. The trading subforum has been around for ages.
Ah, blast. Knew that 9k threads was too good to be true. And I'm betting the forum post count ignores old, archived posts. Still, it's 1/4th of all active posts - that's still a pretty impressive number!
And yes, I do know the difference between posts and threads. That subforum has 66,000 posts and just under 9000 threads. :P
Post by: dragnar on October 03, 2010, 12:53:02 am
It's like I'm a young perky upbeat lady falling for jerks that always hold out emotionally for weeks at a time but always takes you out for the bets nights of your life....Too bad you didn't say this a couple hours ago.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 03, 2010, 12:58:33 am
It's more appropriate for the out of context thread anyway.It's like I'm a young perky upbeat lady falling for jerks that always hold out emotionally for weeks at a time but always takes you out for the bets nights of your life....Too bad you didn't say this a couple hours ago.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 03, 2010, 01:00:39 am
Post by: Mr.Person on October 03, 2010, 03:34:16 am
I love those bets nights.
Screw dueling, I want to gamble for the next minigame.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 03, 2010, 05:00:19 am
I knew it!
Post by: lordnincompoop on October 03, 2010, 07:11:09 am
Post by: Ivefan on October 03, 2010, 10:13:41 am
Random crits are annoying already so you don't have to put in something even worse.
Post by: Sensei on October 03, 2010, 10:19:59 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on October 03, 2010, 10:47:14 am
At first I was like ;D
Then I saw it was a weapon I already had, so I was only like :)
Then I discovered it that it isn't tradable or craftable, and I :(
Then I realised that to get rid of my duplicate, I'd have to craft/trade my vintage, randomly high level weapon, rather than the plain, low level one I just got, and I :'(
Post by: Ivefan on October 03, 2010, 11:09:24 am
Pah RTD is fun. Don't be serious business about it.Remove Godmode & Toxic then perhaps its okay.
And no it's not fun when someone gets one of those two or instakill and usually its only a few people rolling anyway. I guess you are one of them?
Post by: Simmura McCrea on October 03, 2010, 11:11:54 am
Fix'd.Pah RTD is fun. Don't be serious business about it.Stop having fun, guys!
Post by: Ivefan on October 03, 2010, 11:25:45 am
Fix'd.Pah RTD is fun. Don't be serious business about it.Stop having fun, guys!
So having a different opinion is not allowed? I do not like it and i don't use it because i don't like it because of the way it fucks up a match if someone gets one of the overpowered rolls. Invisibility, noclip & low grav does not have a major impact on the match. I even think that the occasional noclip surprise can be fun.
And before someone tells me to go play on another server, I like this one because of DFC players and the general mood, I just don't like rtd.
Post by: dragnar on October 03, 2010, 11:30:20 am
But being an invisible toxic spy is fun...Pah RTD is fun. Don't be serious business about it.Remove Godmode & Toxic then perhaps its okay.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 03, 2010, 12:05:47 pm
Fix'd.Pah RTD is fun. Don't be serious business about it.Stop having fun, guys!
So having a different opinion is not allowed? I do not like it and i don't use it because i don't like it because of the way it fucks up a match if someone gets one of the overpowered rolls. Invisibility, noclip & low grav does not have a major impact on the match. I even think that the occasional noclip surprise can be fun.
And before someone tells me to go play on another server, I like this one because of DFC players and the general mood, I just don't like rtd.
I have the same opinion - rtd is annoying as all hell because it unbalances the matches. (I'd love to exchange it for votescramble.)
Post by: Sensei on October 03, 2010, 12:06:40 pm
But seriously, what is the purpose of the dice if not to kill you or other people in unexpected (and cheap) ways?
Quote from: Dwarf Fortress
Losing is Fun!
Post by: Siquo on October 03, 2010, 12:53:03 pm
Remove Godmode & Toxic then perhaps its okay.Yep, this.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 03, 2010, 01:04:04 pm
Post by: PenguinOverlord on October 03, 2010, 01:26:10 pm
Post by: Zai on October 03, 2010, 03:41:12 pm
I love being a spy with Your Eternal Reward and Dead Ringer. Does anyone else do this?I might if I had YER (which, along with Mad Milk, Black Box, and Sydney Sleeper, is one of my most wanted weapons). =/
Post by: Ivefan on October 03, 2010, 03:55:50 pm
Post by: Myroc on October 03, 2010, 03:57:24 pm
Where is that new gamemode that Valve promised us?
Post by: The Doctor on October 03, 2010, 04:07:53 pm
Post by: Thexor on October 03, 2010, 04:15:28 pm
Valve mentioned in an interview with PCGamer that they didn't ship either the new gamemode nor the secret Polycount set, but that they fully intend to release them shortly.
Translation: Valve Time prevented them from getting everything out and meeting their (self-imposed, but publicly-announced) deadline of "sometime in September". :P
Post by: Rilder on October 03, 2010, 04:38:52 pm
Post by: Zai on October 03, 2010, 04:39:04 pm
Translation: Valve Time prevented them from getting everything out and meeting their (self-imposed, but publicly-announced) deadline of "sometime in September". :PThey got the main Polypack stuff out in September, so they made that deadline. They just pushed other stuff back to make it.
Post by: mothra on October 03, 2010, 04:42:56 pm
can you run it,says card not capable.
takes 10 minutes to load.
runs,with just a hint of lag now and then.
8) my face.
Post by: Akigagak on October 03, 2010, 07:17:54 pm
I love being a spy with Your Eternal Reward and Dead Ringer. Does anyone else do this?I might if I had YER (which, along with Mad Milk, Black Box, and Sydney Sleeper, is one of my most wanted weapons). =/
I've got a Black Box I don't use. What have you got for trade?
Post by: Zai on October 03, 2010, 08:00:42 pm
I love being a spy with Your Eternal Reward and Dead Ringer. Does anyone else do this?I might if I had YER (which, along with Mad Milk, Black Box, and Sydney Sleeper, is one of my most wanted weapons). =/
I've got a Black Box I don't use. What have you got for trade?
From the Trading thread:
http://www.tf2items.com/id/zaithemaster
I have several Vintage weapons available for trade, including Buff Banner, Equalizer, Flare Gun, Frontier Justice, Homewrecker, KGB, Kritzkrieg, Sandman, Sandvich, and Wrangler. I'm looking for a Black Box, Mad Milk, Sydney Sleeper, and Your Eternal Reward.
I also have a Vintage Level 86 Camera Beard available for trading for another hat.
Post by: Akigagak on October 03, 2010, 08:19:48 pm
Willing to swap one of them?
Post by: Schilcote on October 03, 2010, 08:44:04 pm
got the game for 10 bucks a couple hours ago.
can you run it,says card not capable.
takes 10 minutes to load.
runs,with just a hint of lag now and then.
8) my face.
Capitalize the first letter of each sentence.
Nothing to see here.
Post by: Sensei on October 03, 2010, 09:58:49 pm
Post by: Thexor on October 03, 2010, 10:15:27 pm
/endrant
Post by: Shadowlord on October 03, 2010, 10:46:42 pm
(So far the shield has mostly just gotten me killed and then the sentry destroyed after I died)
On the OTHER hand, I laughed maniacally when I realized I could shield a mini-sentry.
Post by: Von Krieger on October 04, 2010, 01:46:25 am
That was the day I also found out that in order to keep a wrangled Level 3 sentry permanently running, you needed to have TWO level 3 dispensers to fuel metal for it.
Post by: Siquo on October 04, 2010, 03:19:34 am
Post by: Duuvian on October 04, 2010, 03:27:32 am
Heh, I'm honestly of the opinion that the Wrangler is somewhat OP. Not because of the damage, or manual aim - an uber still counters that handily. It's that bloody shield that annoys me. A non-Wrangled gun takes 3 stickies to destroy, which is simple enough. I'm not even certain if 8 stickies are enough (and the wiki seems to be down, so I can't check. :( ), but either way, it's annoyingly-tough. Worse, the shield stays up even while the gun is offline - you can fire the gun, switch to the wrench, and switch back to the Wrangler without the shield ever dropping. And if you kill the Engie, you've got to wait 3 seconds for the shield to deactivate before you can actually damage the gun (at which point, it's now auto-firing again!). >:(
/endrant
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Bluerobin on October 04, 2010, 11:39:39 am
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nds1T7U9FqY)
Post by: lordnincompoop on October 04, 2010, 11:45:51 am
Post by: LASD on October 04, 2010, 11:51:01 am
Well, anyone have a Wrangler or a Gunslinger they'd be willing to trade?I have at least a Wrangler, but let's move this over to the TF2 Trading thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=67343.0) for that, shall we. (I'll add a link to the OP too, this thread doesn't really need to get bigger, and trading requests tend to grow exponentially.)
Post by: Zai on October 04, 2010, 04:23:50 pm
I REALLY don't keep up with this thread, so sorry if this has been mentioned, but the animator who was working on the TF2 dance videos (I initially found them in B12 people's sigs) finished the project at the end of September.I love how the guy incorporated all of the 2nd row (and a brief part for the Spy) into one big thing.
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nds1T7U9FqY)
Post by: Schilcote on October 04, 2010, 07:03:51 pm
TF Super Star Ultra!
Post by: Frajic on October 05, 2010, 09:35:53 am
Post by: umiman on October 05, 2010, 01:44:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 06, 2010, 03:44:38 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on October 06, 2010, 06:10:25 pm
I'm just gonna be smug and show off my full vintage weapon collection (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198009803652)(it's on page 2, ordered by class and slot). I had to trade away a hat and a refined metal for the last two weapons!
The only thing I'm missing from mine is a pain train.
Post by: Zai on October 06, 2010, 06:15:22 pm
Only thing I'm missing from my vintage weapon collection is Southern Hospitality.I'm just gonna be smug and show off my full vintage weapon collection (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198009803652)(it's on page 2, ordered by class and slot). I had to trade away a hat and a refined metal for the last two weapons!
The only thing I'm missing from mine is a pain train.
L4D2 has brought me 2 hats for TF2 now.
Post by: Sensei on October 06, 2010, 07:14:55 pm
I'm looking for basically any hats, and the new sniper rifle and pyro melee. I have what I need to craft an extra Your Eternal Reward, if anyone wants that.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 06, 2010, 08:13:53 pm
Post by: umiman on October 06, 2010, 08:32:24 pm
Pyros earn the most money! Spies earn the least! Hah! Suck it spies!
Post by: Akigagak on October 06, 2010, 08:42:53 pm
Post by: Zai on October 06, 2010, 10:05:56 pm
Quote
Average Pyro salaries for job postings nationwide are 189% higher than average Spy salaries for job postings nationwide.
Post by: MagmaDeath on October 06, 2010, 10:54:53 pm
Post by: Zai on October 06, 2010, 10:56:11 pm
(http://angryhosting-east.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/fc/fce6398d9e8228029552f62b1f03f1a42070a943.png)Please tell me you did not just name your Ubersaw "Obamacare."
Post by: Org on October 07, 2010, 05:26:02 am
Derp derp.(http://angryhosting-east.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/fc/fce6398d9e8228029552f62b1f03f1a42070a943.png)Please tell me you did not just name your Ubersaw "Obamacare."
Post by: PenguinOverlord on October 07, 2010, 05:03:54 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on October 07, 2010, 05:09:22 pm
Post by: Zai on October 07, 2010, 09:36:01 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on October 07, 2010, 09:53:09 pm
For anyone interested, here (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/List_of_paintable_items) is what every paintable hat looks like when painted any given color.>:o
How can the tossle cap look that crap when painted purple?
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
Post by: Zai on October 07, 2010, 10:26:00 pm
The Soldier can equip his Stainless Pot hat and the Frying Pan melee weapon at the same time.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 08, 2010, 12:14:58 am
Y'know what's great?
The Soldier can equip his Stainless Pot hat and the Frying Pan melee weapon at the same time.
That really is great.
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on October 08, 2010, 01:48:48 am
Y'know what's great?
The Soldier can equip his Stainless Pot hat and the Frying Pan melee weapon at the same time.
That really is great.
It is. Unfortunately I traded my stainless pot away the day before they updated the frying pan.
Post by: Mr.Person on October 08, 2010, 03:34:17 pm
Y'know what's great?
The Soldier can equip his Stainless Pot hat and the Frying Pan melee weapon at the same time.
That really is great.
It is. Unfortunately I traded my stainless pot away the day before they updated the frying pan.
Stainless Pot is a really cheapass hat. Nobody sells them because nobody buys them.
I have to say, the Pot is one of the best Soldier hats IMO. Not as good as the Sergeant's Drill Hat (which I have and would like to trade for a procedure mask), but it's a pretty damn nice hat. Course, I dislike the Tyran't Helm and Kabuto unlike most people, so maybe it's just me.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on October 08, 2010, 03:40:20 pm
http://www.tf2items.com/id/SCREESCREESCREE (http://www.tf2items.com/id/SCREESCREESCREE)
Earbuds, C&D and Wrangler are off limits though.
Post by: The Doctor on October 08, 2010, 04:17:11 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 08, 2010, 04:19:12 pm
Post by: Zai on October 08, 2010, 06:49:26 pm
Post by: Strange guy on October 09, 2010, 03:00:21 pm
Edit: As of now I am a pots and pan soldier. While a Vintage Whoopee Cap is probably worth more than a regular stainless pot and I'm basically now incapable of using the equilizer since it's a less awesome combo I'm still happy with it because it's awesome.
Post by: Zai on October 09, 2010, 06:19:01 pm
I've only crafted 1 hat in all my TF2 playing time, and that only required 3 refined and nothing else.But that's for a random hat for any class.
...IDE/THEORY: Valve implements a "random set hat" blueprint. Uses 2 refined and any 2 Polycount pack weapons.
ALTERNATIVE: Implement a "recraft into set hat" blueprint. Uses 1 hat and 1 Polycount pack weapon from the pack you want the hat for.
Post by: Zai on October 09, 2010, 08:29:25 pm
Engies are ridiculous. I just got steamrolled by a team of six engineers that just moved their sentries from point to point to point. Gottamoove that gear up, indeed.That's why you kill them while they're moving their sentries.
::)
Post by: ToonyMan on October 09, 2010, 08:31:07 pm
Being an engineer with a level 3 sentry on you is a death sentence, be careful Star Fox.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 09, 2010, 08:59:42 pm
Engies are ridiculous. I just got steamrolled by a team of six engineers that just moved their sentries from point to point to point. Gottamoove that gear up, indeed.That's why you kill them while they're moving their sentries.
::)
Not if they leapfrog them.
Post by: Schilcote on October 09, 2010, 09:03:49 pm
Engies are ridiculous. I just got steamrolled by a team of six engineers that just moved their sentries from point to point to point. Gottamoove that gear up, indeed.That's why you kill them while they're moving their sentries.
::)
Not if they leapfrog them.
Perhaps sniping would be in order then?
The problem with TF2 is that for a game called TEAM Fortress, there's very little teamwork going on outside of the really good clan servers. So naturally, if someone decides to come up with an actual strategy involving teamwork and flaw exploitation instead of just fling meat at the enemy forever, they're going to beat the opposing team handily.
Post by: umiman on October 09, 2010, 09:49:40 pm
Also, ubers.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 09, 2010, 10:43:04 pm
As for sniping: A good engie leapfrog involves Wranglerness.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 09, 2010, 10:45:57 pm
Post by: Schilcote on October 10, 2010, 04:24:15 am
As for sniping: A good engie leapfrog involves Wranglerness.
So they'll be standing still.
Post by: Mindmaker on October 10, 2010, 04:37:40 am
I'll never be able to collect all that items...
Post by: Mr.Person on October 10, 2010, 05:06:42 am
I just started again after being gone for many months.
I'll never be able to collect all that items...
Oh well, have fun with the ones you do get. And in any case, I've seem some moguls who've managed to turn like 3 hats into 30. From there just trade the hats for weapons and you're set. Sure, it's a waste of time, but if you find it fun, you find it fun.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 10, 2010, 06:20:16 am
Yes, behind the shield. It isn't that difficult to do, especially since it snaps to targets.As for sniping: A good engie leapfrog involves Wranglerness.
So they'll be standing still.
Post by: Puck on October 10, 2010, 07:57:21 am
Teamwork is definitely sorely missed sometimes.Yeah, you'd expect people to actually notice that word in the title, but it still doesnt help all that much...
Post by: Sensei on October 10, 2010, 01:22:35 pm
Post by: Akigagak on October 10, 2010, 01:27:18 pm
YER + CaD = whohoo.
Post by: Megaman on October 10, 2010, 01:29:27 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 10, 2010, 01:58:06 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on October 10, 2010, 02:40:27 pm
Guess you see me more often there from now on.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 10, 2010, 02:41:00 pm
Yes, behind the shield. It isn't that difficult to do, especially since it snaps to targets.
You know, rockets and the like pass through the shield to hit engineers standing behind it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 10, 2010, 05:50:08 pm
They are stopped, however, by the massive hitbox of the sentry gun itself.Yes, behind the shield. It isn't that difficult to do, especially since it snaps to targets.You know, rockets and the like pass through the shield to hit engineers standing behind it.
Post by: Thexor on October 10, 2010, 06:57:16 pm
They are stopped, however, by the massive hitbox of the sentry gun itself.Yes, behind the shield. It isn't that difficult to do, especially since it snaps to targets.You know, rockets and the like pass through the shield to hit engineers standing behind it.
Which, despite appearing to have several very large holes in it, cannot be sniped through.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 10, 2010, 07:43:12 pm
Precisely. You can tell people are making shit up when they claim you can hit the engie through the sentry/shield.They are stopped, however, by the massive hitbox of the sentry gun itself.Yes, behind the shield. It isn't that difficult to do, especially since it snaps to targets.You know, rockets and the like pass through the shield to hit engineers standing behind it.
Which, despite appearing to have several very large holes in it, cannot be sniped through.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 10, 2010, 09:08:37 pm
Of course, that's because I sometimes use the wrangler to shield and aim my mini-sentries (far more often than a fully upgraded normal sentry).
(I have, on that note, destroyed a level 3 sentry with a wrangled mini-sentry by shooting it from out of range. :3 (Alas, for some reason it did not give me the achievement for destroying a sentry with a wrangled sentry when I did this, perhaps because I used a mini-sentry))
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 10, 2010, 09:11:46 pm
Except I've been hit through the shield. :P1. can be explained by either shooting the ground around you with a rocket/sticky, or somebody maneuvering around the shield, so they are not shooting through it so much as at an angle so they can peer over/around the shield. I just want this clarified.
Of course, that's because I sometimes use the wrangler to shield and aim my mini-sentries (far more often than a fully upgraded normal sentry).
2. Yeah, mini-sentries have a tiny hitbox.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 10, 2010, 09:13:38 pm
I've also been shot in other cases through it (with mini-sentries), but in that particular case I saw the rocket go right through the shield and fly into my face (and kill me).
(It's not as easy to tell if a sniper was shooting through the shield or not, but with rockets it's more obvious if you actually see it fly through it.)
In any case, I was initially surprised that the shield did not have its own hitbox.
Post by: umiman on October 11, 2010, 12:59:42 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 11, 2010, 01:01:45 am
You really shouldn't be wrangling a mini sentry unless the enemy is outside your range. Even then I can't really recommend it all that much. DPS is too low.Yeah, it seems like a waste to be Wrangling a Mini-Sentry.
Post by: Soulwynd on October 11, 2010, 01:03:24 am
You really shouldn't be wrangling a mini sentry unless the enemy is outside your range. Even then I can't really recommend it all that much. DPS is too low.It beats the hell out of a pistol. =p
I like wrangling it -alot-.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 11, 2010, 01:06:06 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 11, 2010, 01:18:39 am
And is in turn beaten mercilessly by "Place the sentry and shoot your shotgun or pistol alongside it."You really shouldn't be wrangling a mini sentry unless the enemy is outside your range. Even then I can't really recommend it all that much. DPS is too low.It beats the hell out of a pistol. =p
I like wrangling it -alot-.
Derp.
Post by: Siquo on October 11, 2010, 03:09:47 am
Post by: Derekristow on October 11, 2010, 03:18:58 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 11, 2010, 04:24:13 am
Post by: Empty on October 11, 2010, 06:51:17 am
Completed the training.
Played a game with some Russian speaking players in my team.
Now what?
Oh and what's the deal with items? Do you only get them at the end of the game? What's gives them?
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 11, 2010, 08:18:41 am
So I bought Team fortress 2 yesterday.Items drop at random. You get them when you die.
Completed the training.
Played a game with some Russian speaking players in my team.
Now what?
Oh and what's the deal with items? Do you only get them at the end of the game? What's gives them?
If you want some more training (the tutorial is all but useless in practical terms), try offline mode.
Post by: Myroc on October 11, 2010, 08:21:13 am
Achievements also give you items when you complete enough of them.So I bought Team fortress 2 yesterday.Items drop at random. You get them when you die.
Completed the training.
Played a game with some Russian speaking players in my team.
Now what?
Oh and what's the deal with items? Do you only get them at the end of the game? What's gives them?
If you want some more training (the tutorial is all but useless in practical terms), try offline mode.
Post by: Thexor on October 11, 2010, 12:58:00 pm
Wait... isn't the tutorial Soldier-only? Yeah, it's pretty useless, though it does teach the basics of (arguably) the simplest-to-learn class.So I bought Team fortress 2 yesterday.Items drop at random. You get them when you die.
Completed the training.
Played a game with some Russian speaking players in my team.
Now what?
Oh and what's the deal with items? Do you only get them at the end of the game? What's gives them?
If you want some more training (the tutorial is all but useless in practical terms), try offline mode.
Items can be gained in, as of recently, 4 ways. In ascending order of usefulness:
One is to buy them with real money - given how expensive they are, a pretty costly proposition. Don't bother.
Two is to trade for them. Works a lot better when you've got something to trade back. :P
Three is to get them by random drops. You get items after playing for a random period of time, and they're officially 'awarded' to you next time you die.
Four is to earn achievements. Each class has a bunch of achievements to earn - you've probably earned a few of them already! Each class also has "Milestone 1, 2, 3" achievements, awarded for earning a number of other achievements - those ones award free, guaranteed items. For instance, getting 10 Scout achievements gives you a free FaN, 15 gives you a Sandman, and 20 gives a Bonk!. This is the easiest way to quickly earn the item you want. (Sadly, the newest crop of items doesn't have achievements for them, but it's at least a guaranteed way to get all the 'old' items.)
Post by: Soulwynd on October 11, 2010, 01:57:44 pm
Not really. I will kill anyone way faster by wrangled mini sentry than mini+shot. And if you wanna engie duel, I will kill you way faster as well. Not only it does more damage, but it snaps at you, not wasting any dps.And is in turn beaten mercilessly by "Place the sentry and shoot your shotgun or pistol alongside it."You really shouldn't be wrangling a mini sentry unless the enemy is outside your range. Even then I can't really recommend it all that much. DPS is too low.It beats the hell out of a pistol. =p
I like wrangling it -alot-.
Derp.
Wrangled minisentry does 96dps.
A minisentry + shotgun does 81dps on average.
Don't get me wrong, if someone gets near melee range, I will drop wrangle and shotgun on the face which is where the shotgun shines, but at normal ranges, wrangle minisentry wins. Not only that it does more damage, but you can use its shield for cover.
Besides shotgun on the face at melee range, the next dps step for the engie is the normal sentry at level 2. If you really want to use your shotgun along with your sentry use the normal sentry at level 1 + the shotgun, then you will match the wrangled minisentry dps (it's almost exactly the same dps) and even have a longer range for the sentry, but you will have a longer setup time as well.
Back before the update, I used engie traps + shotgun, which was basically using a level 1 around a corner and luring enemies in for the kill.
Course, if you like doing mini & shotgun, nothing wrong with that, just don't come saying it does more dps because it doesn't. The pistol + mini will do more dps (around 10 more dps than wrangled sentry), but that's assuming you will not miss a single shot and the guy will stay in the mini sentry's range.
Post by: Empty on October 11, 2010, 02:10:05 pm
I've looked trough the last 10 pages of the topic but haven't found any server where you guys are playing on.
Is there one?
Post by: Zai on October 11, 2010, 02:21:01 pm
Wait... isn't the tutorial Soldier-only? Yeah, it's pretty useless, though it does teach the basics of (arguably) the simplest-to-learn class.Solly could only be considered the simplest class if you're only learning the basics (...hitting a target). Juggling opponents, wall jumping, and other advanced rocket jumping techniques all take more time to learn. Easiest to learn (in my opinion) would be Heavy or Targe Demo (unless you're Grenade Jumping, which most Demoknights don't).
Another question.The Dwarf Fortress Community server is the main one:
I've looked trough the last 10 pages of the topic but haven't found any server where you guys are playing on.
Is there one?
217.163.31.206:27015
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 11, 2010, 05:11:26 pm
That's assuming both people hit every shot. If it were that simple... well, yeah.[Snip]And is in turn beaten mercilessly by "Place the sentry and shoot your shotgun or pistol alongside it."You really shouldn't be wrangling a mini sentry unless the enemy is outside your range. Even then I can't really recommend it all that much. DPS is too low.It beats the hell out of a pistol. =p
I like wrangling it -alot-.
Derp.
But it's not just pure numbers, there's also the concern of aim as well as which of you they choose to go after. A lot of players will have a minor freakout over fighting an engie and his minisentry at the same time.
Post by: Strange guy on October 11, 2010, 05:21:11 pm
Post by: darkedone02 on October 11, 2010, 07:15:40 pm
I 've just got my new spy dagger and it's kinda hard to use in some situation's... it's useless with the dead ringer so I only use this if I carefully move around and wait for the opportunity to stab and more then 2 people. As Engineer, demoman's are worse then spies... cause they love sticking at least two sticky bombs to blow shit up... and I hate my teams don't do anything about it.
Post by: Org on October 11, 2010, 07:24:55 pm
I dominated a game(or, part of it) with Your Eternal Reward and the Ringer.
Post by: Thexor on October 11, 2010, 07:26:51 pm
Post by: The Doctor on October 11, 2010, 07:37:52 pm
Post by: darkedone02 on October 11, 2010, 07:40:10 pm
Lies.
I dominated a game(or, part of it) with Your Eternal Reward and the Ringer.
then you must be dominating that map filled with newbs and shitty spy checking pyro's...
Post by: Thexor on October 11, 2010, 07:48:12 pm
Lies.
I dominated a game(or, part of it) with Your Eternal Reward and the Ringer.
then you must be dominating that map filled with newbs and shitty spy checking pyro's...
Or, he might just be better at it than you. Could your failure possibly not be because of the weapon? ::)
Really, my only complaint about YER is that, since you can't pick your disguise class, you can easily get stuck with a slower character. If you stab a Heavy, you either have to suffer from horribly low movement speed, or you have to ditch your hard-earned disguise, with full knowledge that you might not get another one any time soon. (Or, stay cloaked, which works fine until someone spots you de-cloaking.) Sure, sure, it's 'obvious' if a Spy-as-Heavy is moving full speed, but would it really be so hard to give Spies the option to not move at an agonizingly-slow speed?
Post by: Org on October 11, 2010, 08:20:21 pm
Yeah!Lies.
I dominated a game(or, part of it) with Your Eternal Reward and the Ringer.
then you must be dominating that map filled with newbs and shitty spy checking pyro's...
Lets insult the DFC server players!
Post by: Cheeetar on October 11, 2010, 11:23:47 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 11, 2010, 11:39:45 pm
The new spy knife is my favourite weapon forever.Really? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj52wrSksIQ)
Post by: Zai on October 12, 2010, 04:58:28 pm
I've just got my new spy dagger and it's kinda hard to use in some situation's... it's useless with the dead ringer...No it's not. At all. It's actually quite good with the DR. Especially if you're using the full Spy set so that you get the sound reduction.
As Engineer, demoman's are worse then spies... cause they love sticking at least two sticky bombs to blow shit up... and I hate my teams don't do anything about it.[sarcasm] Because you as the Engy totally can't do anything about those yourself. [/sarcasm]
You can shoot at stickies to make them disappear. Your team probably 1) doesn't notice, 2) is busy fighting the other team, or 3) thinks you can handle getting rid of the stickies by yourself.
tl;dr: Not everything is the fault of other players.
Anyway, something I've already shared with somebody (either Cheeetar or SHAD0W): I don't like how Valve attached certain things to other objects.
Want to use a Mini-Sentry? You have to equip the Gunslinger. (Buildings are attached to the Melee weapon)
Want a quick, automatic disguise? You have to equip YER, but then you don't get the disguise kit. (Disguises are attached to the Melee weapon)
Post by: kg333 on October 12, 2010, 06:02:58 pm
As Engineer, demoman's are worse then spies... cause they love sticking at least two sticky bombs to blow shit up... and I hate my teams don't do anything about it.[sarcasm] Because you as the Engy totally can't do anything about those yourself. [/sarcasm]
You can shoot at stickies to make them disappear. Your team probably 1) doesn't notice, 2) is busy fighting the other team, or 3) thinks you can handle getting rid of the stickies by yourself.
You...can...shoot them?? Argh. Now that's a tip that would have been handy on a blasted loading screen.
KG
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 12, 2010, 06:22:41 pm
Anyway, something I've already shared with somebody (either Cheeetar or SHAD0W): I don't like how Valve attached certain things to other objects.I dunno, the system never really bothered me. I guess Valve found that dicking around with the PDA's wasn't a terribly good idea in their testing.
Want to use a Mini-Sentry? You have to equip the Gunslinger. (Buildings are attached to the Melee weapon)
Want a quick, automatic disguise? You have to equip YER, but then you don't get the disguise kit. (Disguises are attached to the Melee weapon)
That, and I really, really hate Humpineers. You're not helping your team if you're beating your gun while everything important is happening elsewhere.Unless you are on Red team.
Post by: Soulwynd on October 12, 2010, 07:02:28 pm
But it's not just pure numbers, there's also the concern of aim as well as which of you they choose to go after. A lot of players will have a minor freakout over fighting an engie and his minisentry at the same time.If you use the new shotgun, like I do, what I mostly do is wrangle until they get close, if they do that at all, and then shotgun them on the face, then the shottie does 80+ damage and is worth the trouble.
Post by: Zai on October 12, 2010, 09:17:09 pm
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 12, 2010, 09:58:06 pm
Hilarious (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198006065191).His profile pic is the best part.
Post by: umiman on October 12, 2010, 10:15:02 pm
Post by: Strange guy on October 13, 2010, 09:52:40 am
Now I have most of the new weapons (lacking the rocket jumper, which isn't really a weapon, and the powerjack) I think I'll share my opinions on them all.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Soulwynd on October 13, 2010, 01:53:24 pm
Shortstop: It's noticeable on the client side, the enemy wont notice it. But it does let you give four shots on a pretty much stationary target. Note, it only seems to work at a certain range, like the FaN.
Milk: I never liked the pistol, so this is a good addition. It makes me miss the bonk or the crits at times, but that depends on the map and team.
Fish: I use the sandman so this is pretty pointless to me. If you're a regular bat guy, however go for the fish!
Powerjack: +75 hp. Some pro pyros I know in the server I go to are using it now. It's insane. The worst part is knowing that not only you died, but gave them 75 hp.
Box: Good when there are no medics around, but that's pretty much it.
Backup: Good when there are medics around. (Or you're good with the box). The bonus is pretty good when the team is facing a sentry or a bottleneck. Note that the buff banner is worthless against sentries.
GRU: I've seen melee heavies going nuts with the KGB, like punch and switch to full crit minigun/shottie. But considering the heavy is the only slow class that didn't have a movement bonus of some sort, it's good they added it. It feels pretty balanced as well, the damage to get somewhere is similar to what a soldier would waste.
Sleeper: Before they 'fixed it' it was pretty darn good. The shots were piercing and they got random crits... Now it's a weapon for newb snipers who cannot headshot. So pretty worthless. It would be worth something if you could jarate with an uncharged shot.
Shield: Yeah, I think the point of the sniper shield was just to get people to stop whining about how come a shield only blocks backstabs but does nothing else... annnnd... to complete the no-headshot set. I don't use it anyway, I don't have the set. I'd rather have a jarate or the smg.
Bush: Don't have it, but I'd rather have the bleed effect. The only reason is that it makes me happy. =p
Fancy knife: Meh. Some people are good with it... I'm not... I'd probably use it to complete the set, if I had the hat.
New spy gun: I normally go gun crazy with the spy and the worst part isn't the less damage. It's the range and accuracy of this weapon. You cannot snipe with it. At a certain range, it simply wont hit anything and the damage curve is horrible. It's only worth it if you go up close and personal with enemies to charge your c&d/dr.
Vita: Wtf, throw it away. Btw, the 20% is of what you have, not 20% uber. If you have 50% uber, you get 10% back on the next life.
Post by: Strange guy on October 13, 2010, 03:27:40 pm
Vita: Wtf, throw it away. Btw, the 20% is of what you have, not 20% uber. If you have 50% uber, you get 10% back on the next life.
It's definitely up to 20% uber (well 19% due to a bug) since I've used it. Not completely useless, but as the medics only new weapon outside of their update it's pretty underwhelming.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 13, 2010, 04:04:40 pm
Granted headshots killing foes so your team doesn't have to deal with them is helpful, but the difference between these is that a sniper with the vanilla rifle will go off on their own and do whatever they can from their perches. Sleeper snipers are more often in the middle of the fray dousing everything with their fluids.
Vita Saw: It's not as good-sounding as the other saws, but it makes playing medic a whole hell of a lot less frustrating. You don't get the same rage as when you go out to pop an uber and somebody has already shot a crit rocket at you from around a corner. You get a little frustrated and go back to healing, knowing you still have 20% uber left to build upon. This could be the weapon that makes me use medic more often.
And don't give me the bullshit of "Be a better medic and survive you skilless idiot" TF2 has dozens of ways to kill you in under three seconds out of nowhere. And people just love to go after you.
Post by: Zai on October 13, 2010, 10:37:53 pm
I want a Dr's Dapper Topper and Rocket Jumper. Mainly the Rocket Jumper.
Alternative name: Seussified Soldier.
Post by: Zai on October 14, 2010, 05:40:46 pm
Official blog post here (http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4489&p=1). TF2Maps.Net's page here (http://tf2maps.net/contests/artpass/winners/). Both sites have a different screenshot for each version.
In completely unrelated news because I know you people care, I am now the proud owner of 4 class hats: Tyrant's Helm, Vintage Respectless Rubber Glove, Vintage Ritzy Rick's Hair Fixative, and a Vintage Scotsman's Stove Pipe.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2010, 05:45:19 pm
Post by: Zai on October 14, 2010, 05:47:59 pm
I've got four demoman hats. It is unfortunate that I cannot wear them all at once.Art Pass update: Allows you to wear 3 hats at once.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2010, 05:48:39 pm
Oh man, no way. :DI've got four demoman hats. It is unfortunate that I cannot wear them all at once.Art Pass update: Allows you to wear 3 hats at once.
Post by: Zai on October 14, 2010, 05:53:51 pm
(Un)Fortunately.Oh man, no way. :DI've got four demoman hats. It is unfortunate that I cannot wear them all at once.Art Pass update: Allows you to wear 3 hats at once.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2010, 05:55:25 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on October 14, 2010, 06:06:48 pm
(http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/e/e2/JohnBooth.png) (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Non-player_characters#John_.22Tower_of_Hats.22_Booth)
:P
Post by: Mr.Person on October 14, 2010, 07:13:52 pm
Towering Pillar of Ze Goggles, Vintage Tyrolean, and Otylo-whatever-the-fuck-gest's Mirror
Towering Pillar of Towering Pillar of Hats, Noble Amassment of Hats, and Modest Pile of Hat.
Towering Pillar of Towering Pillar of Hats, Towering Pillar of Hats, and Towering Pillar of Hats.
Post by: The Doctor on October 14, 2010, 07:26:45 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on October 14, 2010, 07:33:59 pm
I don't think you'd be able to get out of the spawn room with that last one.
Need a teleporter here!
Post by: Zai on October 14, 2010, 09:22:42 pm
Mixing three hats together? I'd do:The mechanic will only allow you to pile together hats that are for a single class; each Tower or Amassment will only be wearable by a single class. No adding all-class hats like Bill's Hat, Modest Pile of Hat, Ghastly Gibus, Cheater's Lament, or any of the others.
Towering Pillar of Towering Pillar of Hats, Noble Amassment of Hats, and Modest Pile of Hat.
Towering Pillar of Towering Pillar of Hats, Towering Pillar of Hats, and Towering Pillar of Hats.
Post by: The Doctor on October 14, 2010, 09:33:31 pm
Post by: Akigagak on October 17, 2010, 05:17:06 pm
Post by: Astral on October 18, 2010, 08:01:23 am
Post by: PTTG?? on October 18, 2010, 11:31:23 am
Anyone played the Saxon Hale mod? 'Tis lulzy indeed, to have a large Australian man running around pummelling everyone in sight.
Someone actually did that?
Post by: Cecilff2 on October 18, 2010, 11:34:07 am
Anyone played the Saxon Hale mod? 'Tis lulzy indeed, to have a large Australian man running around pummelling everyone in sight.
Someone actually did that?
They did indeed. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Bz3_Or8is)
I love the second round with the last remaining spy running around yelling for help.
Post by: umiman on October 18, 2010, 12:20:03 pm
Anyone played the Saxon Hale mod? 'Tis lulzy indeed, to have a large Australian man running around pummelling everyone in sight.Yeah, I played it a few times. It's quite hilarious but also actually pretty easy if everyone knows what they're doing.
Saxton Hale needs more abilities.
Post by: Mindmaker on October 18, 2010, 02:14:56 pm
There is an awful lot of glitchers around there.
Post by: LASD on October 18, 2010, 02:44:03 pm
Is there a way to enable a kick/ban-system for our server?I don't think the voteban and votekick things are working currently, so the best option is hollering at an admin to check it out. Nilocy is the adminest of us all, but most of the people on the DFC group Officer list are also admins on the server.
There is an awful lot of glitchers around there.
And yeah, the Saxton Hale mode is great fun, though I tend to have lots of trouble winning as Hale.
Post by: Akigagak on October 18, 2010, 04:00:23 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on October 18, 2010, 04:15:31 pm
In both cases the players were unreasonable and did ignore all warnings.
Post by: Siquo on October 18, 2010, 04:53:39 pm
Post by: umiman on October 18, 2010, 10:21:01 pm
Post by: Schilcote on October 18, 2010, 10:32:52 pm
Post by: Sensei on October 18, 2010, 10:35:34 pm
It's beautiful.
Post by: Nilocy on October 19, 2010, 09:37:34 am
In the mean time, i'm going to figure out why sourcemod is being very stupid.
Edit: Also, what do people think about getting a redirect service for our server. It basically means we can host non standard content and let people download it really fast?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2010, 12:37:54 pm
Post by: Charmander on October 20, 2010, 07:36:26 am
But... yeah, I'm generally online and able to hop on for five minutes to kick, ban or bitch at someone, so...
Post by: Metalax on October 20, 2010, 08:40:38 am
Post by: LASD on October 21, 2010, 02:28:29 pm
In other news, I managed to trade my Max's Hat (sniff) for a Milkman (yay!) and I got to say, that 25 health goes a pretty long way.
Post by: umiman on October 21, 2010, 03:33:13 pm
That's the power of microtransactions for you. Now consider how much Valve made from doing NO work. :P
Post by: Zai on October 21, 2010, 05:09:22 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on October 21, 2010, 05:51:50 pm
They're making all old contributions and new ones accept a new ToS agreement that basically says you need a valid Paypal account and you have to accept Valve's agreement of how much they'll pay you and what schedule they'll pay you on.
Post by: Thexor on October 21, 2010, 07:15:47 pm
I'm also thrilled that there's that much money going around, because it makes developing high-quality models for TF2 a valid pastime for skilled modelers. $40,000 in two weeks is insane. True, there's no way future paychecks will be anywhere near that much, but even a tenth of that ($4000 per two-week period) would still be a very good wage in today's market - especially since you don't have to do any more work to earn that check!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 21, 2010, 07:21:51 pm
Post by: zchris13 on October 22, 2010, 07:52:02 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on October 22, 2010, 09:31:34 pm
They got that from making a few high-quality models. Holy fuck.
And a whole bunch of low-quality ones.
I kid, I kid, but seriously, it's still impressive how many people bought those Polycount packs. Remember, they're only getting 25% of the total profit. That means that each one is making Valve over $100,000 per pack, and it cost them no money at all to make the models. That's not even getting into the non Polycount stuff that's for sale and how much that is earning Valve. Especially keys, I bet Valve's gotten an assload of money off of keys.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 22, 2010, 11:42:39 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on October 23, 2010, 12:20:41 am
Still, Valve really needs to make a crafting thing for boxes already. Every time I see them I think I can combine a bunch for scrap metal.
Better yet, let us craft crates into keys.
I've heard myths that series one gives you a better chance of getting an unusual than series two. This is false, they have the same chances. Anybody who says otherwise is a scalper trying to sell off series one crates at cutthroat prices. Don't believe me? Check the Wiki. (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Crates)
Post by: Jreengus on October 23, 2010, 06:42:51 am
Post by: Soulwynd on October 23, 2010, 12:50:19 pm
Post by: Thexor on October 23, 2010, 01:05:05 pm
I'd guess that crates will probably stick at around a scrap metal in value, unless Valve makes the keys start dropping, or lowers the price, or lets you craft them into scrap, or something. When every server you join has someone offering crates and there's rarely anyone buying them, the value of those crates is doomed to plummet.
Post by: MagmaDeath on October 23, 2010, 02:08:41 pm
Honestly, I don't know if a crate is even worth $2.50. After all, trading is a large-scale barter-based economy. A small handful of people (who have money to burn on keys) have some demand for the items (assuming they can afford more keys than they can find crates). The rest of the population has no interest in buying keys, meaning there's plenty of supply. I've seen crates fall from ridiculously high demands of refined metal right after release, to little more than scrap metal in some recent trades. There's just too many crates, and not enough people willing to gamble huge sums of money opening a lot of them.I have seen people give 2 crates and get a hat.
I'd guess that crates will probably stick at around a scrap metal in value, unless Valve makes the keys start dropping, or lowers the price, or lets you craft them into scrap, or something. When every server you join has someone offering crates and there's rarely anyone buying them, the value of those crates is doomed to plummet.
Some people are stupid.
Post by: Soulwynd on October 23, 2010, 02:09:44 pm
I think that's the major issue there. Nobody wants to put 2.50 on a vitasaw. Worse yet, it pretty much wastes one of your drop, altho, I've seen crates dropping -with- other items now, so they might have fixed that.
Post by: Thexor on October 23, 2010, 02:41:39 pm
And yeah, according to the Wiki there's roughly a 44% chance to get a weapon. A weapon that is probably worth much less than $2.50, and almost certainly isn't one you want/need. >:(
Post by: Zai on October 23, 2010, 03:33:11 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 23, 2010, 03:33:55 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on October 23, 2010, 04:02:32 pm
[Expression of horror at the hat-destruction]
Assuming anyone would trade for them, that is.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 23, 2010, 04:51:20 pm
Post by: Zai on October 23, 2010, 05:57:50 pm
They are hatless hats. They deserve to be destroyed.False.
They deserve to be traded.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 23, 2010, 05:58:55 pm
Post by: Zai on October 23, 2010, 06:03:21 pm
Please, I have respect for the human race. I don't wish to unleash that sort of suffering onto other people.You could have at least traded one of your hatless Engies to a person who wanted it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 23, 2010, 06:04:36 pm
Buwa?Please, I have respect for the human race. I don't wish to unleash that sort of suffering onto other people.You could have at least traded one of your hatless Engies to a person who wanted it.
Post by: dragnar on October 23, 2010, 06:09:39 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 23, 2010, 06:09:57 pm
Post by: Zai on October 23, 2010, 06:12:54 pm
I'd take it.As I've said before, I also want one. Just so I can complete my Hatless collection (I prefer the Safe'n'Sound).
[EDIT:] It would appear that I am collecting Equalizers. On accident. I now have 6, only 2 of which are Vintage.
Post by: MagmaDeath on October 27, 2010, 08:25:20 pm
Highlight: Boss monster, Saxon Hale hat, Gift wrapping feature, Mann Manor map, new gift, and more stuff in the store(Some old, some limited time)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT: Also some new series crates, and this amazing hat.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Akigagak on October 27, 2010, 09:31:01 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on October 27, 2010, 09:34:34 pm
Fuck you Valve.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 27, 2010, 10:27:14 pm
You know what, I think the voice is saying "stop... stop touching..."
Post by: MagmaDeath on October 27, 2010, 10:32:39 pm
Event spoilers.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It is a great map, especially with all the eyes under the floor.
And the Horseless Headless Horsemans Headtaker is fun to use.
Post by: Thexor on October 28, 2010, 12:26:48 am
You only get one Unusual Metal.
You (probably) only have until the end of the Halloween event to craft it.
...lolwut Valve?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 28, 2010, 12:30:05 am
Post by: MagmaDeath on October 28, 2010, 01:26:03 am
I managed to trade for a Voodoo Juju via this system.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 28, 2010, 01:50:43 am
Also, gift wrap makes store items tradable.
I managed to trade for a Voodoo Juju via this system.
Man, I really feel like it's a bit of a rip-off to pay to be able to give items away...
Post by: MagmaDeath on October 28, 2010, 02:31:35 am
Huh. So you can combine your Unusual Metal with 2 refined and a Skullcutter to get the axe. Or, you can pray to your favourite deity to get an axe as a random drop for killing the Horseman, and save your Unusual Metal to craft into a hat (50% chance of getting one that's Halloween specific).Blah, apparently the axe will not drop at all, it was just a rumor.
You only get one Unusual Metal.
You (probably) only have until the end of the Halloween event to craft it.
...lolwut Valve?
So, YOU MUST CHOOSE. Or give valve money.
Post by: umiman on October 28, 2010, 03:12:57 am
I understand all of it is optional but damn are they rubbing it in your face.
Heck, I'm actually completely and totally unmotivated by this Halloween event. It's a first for me. I'm just getting so sick of the deluge of items.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 28, 2010, 03:20:46 am
I don't much see the point of wasting 2 refined on an axe with identical stats to the eyelander (unless you decide you must have it for some reason). Why wouldn't you use it towards a polycount hat, for instance, instead?
Side note: I seem to be getting rather a lot of drops.
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 28, 2010, 03:28:14 am
Post by: Thexor on October 28, 2010, 10:26:17 am
>:(
Post by: Soulwynd on October 28, 2010, 10:35:05 am
Post by: lordnincompoop on October 28, 2010, 11:44:12 am
Post by: Schilcote on October 28, 2010, 11:45:47 am
Well, at least Silas was confirmed.
Silias? As in the HERO OF THE IMPERIUM?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 28, 2010, 12:46:52 pm
Spoiler: spoooooooooky (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zai on November 03, 2010, 09:06:26 pm
I used a purple paint can on my recently acquired Vintage Master's Yellow Belt. This is the result:
Spoiler: Purple Yellow Belt (click to show/hide)
It's not too bad. Kind of an orange-brown. After my experience with my Light Green-painted Stovepipe (it's quite dark), I wasn't expecting the Purple painted Yellow Belt to actually be Purple like the Wiki would indicate.
Also. TF2 News: There are several promotional items associated with Poker Night at the Inventory: a minigun-replacement for the Heavy, a regular Invisibility Watch-replacement for the Spy, Lugermorph for Scout and Engy, a badge for all classes, glasses for Demo, and a green visor for Heavy for those who preorder.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 03, 2010, 09:09:28 pm
Also woah, Penny Arcade guy is one of the characters.
Post by: Thexor on November 03, 2010, 11:00:34 pm
...is it sad that I saw this game and immediately thought, "Whoa, you'd never get 5 items for $4.49 in the Mann Co. store. This is such a deal!"?
Post by: Soulwynd on November 03, 2010, 11:05:44 pm
Post by: Zai on November 03, 2010, 11:16:22 pm
Mmm... more items.To be fair, the weapons aren't new. They're all simple replacements.
...is it sad that I saw this game and immediately thought, "Whoa, you'd never get 5 items for $4.49 in the Mann Co. store. This is such a deal!"?
It's the exclusive hats/badge that are a good deal for the price. As well as, you know, getting the game itself.
Post by: LASD on November 04, 2010, 08:02:54 am
And I don't mind at all that Telltale gets an insane sales boost from this.
Post by: Schilcote on November 04, 2010, 08:04:28 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on November 04, 2010, 08:04:50 am
I'm not sure what that'd mean
Post by: Siquo on November 04, 2010, 10:20:43 am
Someone gifted a preorder form of the game to me
I'm not sure what that'd mean
Either a typo in the username or secret admiration.
Pick one :)
Post by: lordnincompoop on November 04, 2010, 10:21:03 am
Someone gifted a preorder form of the game to me
I'm not sure what that'd mean
That means you have a
Post by: Zai on November 06, 2010, 08:04:37 pm
Anything in connection with the Backpacks are down:
Trading
Crafting
Mann Co. Store
Loadouts
Post by: Ze Spy on November 10, 2010, 10:07:42 am
True Story
Post by: Cecilff2 on November 10, 2010, 10:42:14 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 10, 2010, 12:04:24 pm
Burp a derp.
Post by: PTTG?? on November 10, 2010, 12:45:48 pm
Yeah, that's an interesting thought, particularly if the two teams can see each other immediately when starting out, rather than starting at opposite ends of the map.
Hmm... that would be an interesting dynamic for an arena map, too. I could see it being like this, with the spawn rooms opening onto two foyers with a window between them, and these then have halls that spiral around to opposite sides of the main room with the capture point. So each team would see the other right and be able to formulate a plan, while the other plans for them. It would give spies a great opprotunity to do that sort of thing, and give other classes a chance to select specific weapons to counter the other team... though they would in doing so reveal themselves.
*starts drawing out plans*
Post by: ToonyMan on November 10, 2010, 12:51:40 pm
Post by: Simmura McCrea on November 10, 2010, 02:03:03 pm
That sounds really cool. Cue one team going all spies disguised as friendly heavies so the other team goes sniper.Oh man, imagine if they managed to synchronise the backstabs.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 10, 2010, 02:39:54 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on November 10, 2010, 05:44:57 pm
You say that as though that wouldn't be awesome.
Anyone else irked that 90% of all spies use the Dead Ringer nowadays? I loathe the thing.
What are you talking about? I can't stand using it. Anyway, I remember there were statistics a while back- it's the least-used watch.
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on November 10, 2010, 06:06:01 pm
What? It's the best watch. If nothing else for the paranoia it can inspire if you manage to pull off a long chain of escapes with it. Really heartwarming to hear the enemy team trying to find you when they finally *do* manage to kill you. >:DYou say that as though that wouldn't be awesome.
Anyone else irked that 90% of all spies use the Dead Ringer nowadays? I loathe the thing.
What are you talking about? I can't stand using it. Anyway, I remember there were statistics a while back- it's the least-used watch.
Post by: kilakan on November 10, 2010, 09:56:36 pm
Post by: Sir Pseudonymous on November 10, 2010, 10:29:14 pm
Stats or otherwise, backstabbing a cloaked DR'd spy FOUR FRIGGING TIMES and watching him get away does not a happy Naxza make.Reminds me of when I was in a small room on one of the capture maps, and knew there was a cloaked spy in there with me. I stood in the middle of the room with the dead ringer out, he decloaked behind me and backstabbed me, I walked around behind him, decloaked, and backstabbed him. >:D
Also, the halloween update is done with.
Post by: Ze Spy on November 12, 2010, 11:13:27 am
Stats or otherwise, backstabbing a cloaked DR'd spy FOUR FRIGGING TIMES and watching him get away does not a happy Naxza make.Reminds me of when I was in a small room on one of the capture maps, and knew there was a cloaked spy in there with me. I stood in the middle of the room with the dead ringer out, he decloaked behind me and backstabbed me, I walked around behind him, decloaked, and backstabbed him. >:D
Also, the halloween update is done with.
And he Walked around you , Decloaked , and Backstabbed you
Right? RIGHT?
Post by: Lumbajak on November 12, 2010, 03:08:16 pm
Woo.
I keep slacking off on playing this game, I was a little into the competitive scene a while back and after that ended I started playing less and less and now I'm pretty terrible!
I've been known to get back into old games, though.
And I quite like all the "Buy a hat, get a game free" deals.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 12, 2010, 03:14:02 pm
Nothing personal mate, I'm just JAKE MARKSHAL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KogjvpOAvhw)
Post by: ToonyMan on December 02, 2010, 10:51:03 pm
Totally trying this out tomorrow.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 02, 2010, 10:55:59 pm
And i totally want to try that double health for everybody variant. One of my initial issues with playing at first was how easy it was to die. Not enough time to assess the situation and decide on a course of action before you die to some dude around a corner.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 02, 2010, 10:57:46 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 02, 2010, 11:59:47 pm
I'm assuming backstabs will still be instakills. (They deal 6x your current health in damage.) But what about headshots? It'll take a half-charged headshot to kill a Scout, never mind Heavies. On the flip side, proficient juggling will be much more powerful; actually, anything that prioritizes sustained damage, like juggling, miniguns, or sentries, will probably be substantially more powerful than 'burst' damage like sticky traps or headshots.
Of course, Valve hasn't yet said they will double player health (it's just on their "things we'd like to try" list). But hey, it'll be a decent experiment, at the very least. :D
...and I
Post by: Strange guy on December 03, 2010, 08:49:34 am
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2010, 10:07:24 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 03, 2010, 10:27:35 pm
The current health systems are based on a fully-charged sniper rifle headshot. It would be nice to see if this was a good or bad idea. They would even increase the hitbox for the head a bit to account for the terrible lag issues it has.
Post by: Shadowlord on December 03, 2010, 10:36:30 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 03, 2010, 10:37:39 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 03, 2010, 10:39:24 pm
Alright, screw the hitbox. Just do some radical funky thing so lag compensation works.Time Machete
Post by: Myroc on December 04, 2010, 04:11:57 am
Increase the hitbox, eh? I already see people getting killed by arrows which penetrate the void to the side of their head. :PThe Huntsman uses a larger hitbox than the sniper rifle does.
Post by: tomas1297 on December 04, 2010, 06:37:10 am
Post by: Axil on December 04, 2010, 07:49:33 am
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress
Post by: zestorum on December 04, 2010, 09:54:39 am
Post by: PTTG?? on December 06, 2010, 11:31:17 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 13, 2010, 02:33:59 am
TF2 updated with the following message:
Quote from: Those sneaky buggers at Valve
Team Fortress 2
- Updated some files, for no reason whatsoever
and now, suddenly, winter-themed crates are dropping. No word yet on how to open them or what's in them. What kind of event does Valve have in store?
Post by: ToonyMan on December 13, 2010, 01:56:14 pm
Post by: LASD on December 13, 2010, 03:01:39 pm
Post by: Cecilff2 on December 13, 2010, 05:31:52 pm
Alright, screw the hitbox. Just do some radical funky thing so lag compensation works.Time Machete
I want this. I want this so much.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 14, 2010, 06:15:44 pm
Post by: Sowelu on December 14, 2010, 10:01:01 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 14, 2010, 10:33:32 pm
It had better be free. I barely tolerate crates as it is, and it seems like the only thing I ever recieve is crates nowadays anyway.
They make great trade sweeteners. People often assign them more worth than they really have, so you can get decent items for cheaper.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 15, 2010, 12:01:29 am
Post by: Shadowlord on December 15, 2010, 12:13:30 am
Post by: Mr.Person on December 15, 2010, 12:16:52 am
Post by: Strange guy on December 18, 2010, 08:04:45 am
Christmas update for TF2 is go. The map stamps are good for mappers, and cause no problem for anyone else so are good. The new map and mode (melee+ medieval weapons only) are interesting, if not amazing. Festive keys are now available, same price as normal keys. Mann Co sale, though I don't really care about that. New hats, they're all nice but I expect them to be perceived as extremely valuable for a while so won't be getting any. More straight buff set bonuses >:( but at least they don't require hats. Some of the new weapons are very interesting, but others suffer from being useless (extra damage melee for heavy with a passive debuff for example) while others are straight upgrades (medics new saw- as if they didn't already have straight upgrades...).
What crafting recipes have been revealed on the wiki show 2 reclaimed metal + an item each. Seriously. And I thought 1 reclaimed was too much. Hopefully their value will sink like a stone as the polycount did, to about a scrap each. I haven't even crafted the haloween axe yet, so this is annoying.
Edit: 14 new weapons, 0 new kill icons.
Post by: HLBeta on December 18, 2010, 09:03:22 am
Festive keys are now available, same price as normal keys.I had actually been hoping that the Christmas event would contain some element of charity and the key would be available through some kind of event at not monetary cost. Shows what I know. ::)
Post by: ToonyMan on December 18, 2010, 12:18:32 pm
Here's a thread in the TF2 forums that explains the new weapons. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1657460)
Cool as hell.
Post by: Sensei on December 18, 2010, 01:22:47 pm
And I guess the Brass Beast basically behaves like the old Sasha... but with MORE damage? Why do they keep buffing the heavy?
And the candy cane for scout sounds pretty cool too, though I don't actually bonk people often.
Can't wait to see newbs screw up with the Boston Basher.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 18, 2010, 03:01:13 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 18, 2010, 03:02:47 pm
I'm kinda blerrrgggg on all this. Also, festive keys. Blerrrrrrrrg.YOU'RE RIGHT DUKE, YOU PAID FOR THIS GAME AND ALL UPDATES SHOULD BE FREE AND FAST
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 18, 2010, 03:08:22 pm
*smacks self in face with Boston basher*
Post by: Sensei on December 18, 2010, 08:08:53 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 18, 2010, 08:09:24 pm
I'm still very BLERG about keys, since crates seem to drop in lieu of potential other things.It might seem like that, but it shouldn't be true.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 18, 2010, 08:17:12 pm
Crates and items don't share the same drop chance. It's two different drop checks, one for items and one for crates. Getting crates has no bearing on other items dropping.I'm still very BLERG about keys, since crates seem to drop in lieu of potential other things.It might seem like that, but it shouldn't be true.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 18, 2010, 10:08:21 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 18, 2010, 10:10:37 pm
I just tried some keys... I got the Candy Cane, which is only good for rewarding people for killing youI believe it drops a medkit on you killing them, not the other way around.
Post by: Zai on December 18, 2010, 10:23:36 pm
And that is a fuckton of new stuff. Stamps are a neat addition, if one that will probably not be used much.
Also, since no one's mentioned it: Buy Killing Floor before January 4th, and you get crossover things in both TF2 and KF: a hat and a misc item for the Pyro in TF2, and 2 Pyro player models in KF.
Post by: Zai on December 19, 2010, 01:27:00 am
I'd have KF, but it went off sale the day I was going to buy it. :-\It was funny, because just a few days before the sale, I had the thought, "I would definitely buy KF if it were $10 or less." The crossover stuff was just the icing on the cake.
Also- Is it possible, and if so, how common is it, to have a Vintage Foster's Facade?According to the wiki (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Foster%27s_Facade), people who had KF before this most recent sale got a Vintage F'sF.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2010, 09:29:13 am
Post by: Shadowlord on December 19, 2010, 10:21:20 am
Post by: Zai on December 19, 2010, 02:37:02 pm
If you already own Killing Floor do you get the items or whatever?
According to the wiki (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Foster%27s_Facade), people who had KF before this most recent sale got a Vintage F'sF.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 19, 2010, 02:42:00 pm
Like the candy cane, and a few other items, I think.
Post by: Zai on December 19, 2010, 02:48:09 pm
Interesting thing about this update: The Engy is the only class without an item set now. Though, one could arguably say his buildings are his item set, in which case he had one long before everyone else.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 19, 2010, 04:21:23 pm
The Engy is the only class without an item set now. Though, one could arguably say his buildings are his item set, in which case he had one long before everyone else.Heck, if that's an item set he has two now. the base one and the mini-sentry set.
Post by: LASD on December 19, 2010, 04:26:03 pm
The horrible part is that some of the items aren't craftable.Yeah, that's caused by Valve pushing the update out in time for Christmas. They couldn't get some of the items on the store which made them not droppable or craftable either by some weird logic (but still available through the crates). They said they are fixing this in coming weeks though.
Like the candy cane, and a few other items, I think.
I'm not very enthused by this update. I had pretty much all the existing weapons, and now... Now there are more, and I'm not going to play forever just to get enough metal to craft them, and I really don't care to amass enough to trade for them either at this point, because I'm not even playing as it is right now.Yeah, I kinda have the same problem and the only fix seems to be offline server practice mode idling.
Post by: umiman on December 19, 2010, 06:01:56 pm
Thank god there's a delete button to get rid of crates at least.
Post by: Sensei on December 19, 2010, 06:29:11 pm
Post by: Derekristow on December 19, 2010, 06:31:36 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 19, 2010, 08:35:02 pm
How many hours had most of you played before getting a hat?
229, and the only non-event hat (so not gibus, etc) I have is the bloody scouts whoopee cap, which I crafted from 3 refined.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2010, 08:37:40 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 19, 2010, 09:02:45 pm
Post by: Sensei on December 19, 2010, 09:10:38 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2010, 09:17:26 pm
I want every weapon that provides an interesting effect. The southern Hospitality I have no interest in. The new medic crossbow allows you to heal people from really dam far away, and gives you quite a bit of range. Yes please.What's the demo's new melee weapon do? Because I saw one flying with it.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 19, 2010, 09:18:32 pm
Kills most classes on a hit, takes 100Hp off you, and launches you into the air.I want every weapon that provides an interesting effect. The southern Hospitality I have no interest in. The new medic crossbow allows you to heal people from really dam far away, and gives you quite a bit of range. Yes please.What's the demo's new melee weapon do? Because I saw one flying with it.
Afterwords it just works like a normal melee weapon.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 19, 2010, 09:19:26 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 19, 2010, 09:24:29 pm
No clue whether it's useful in normal play - might be nice for an 'OHSHI-' moment, but if you're in that much trouble, -100 HP means it's a suicide weapon. :(
Post by: Sensei on December 19, 2010, 10:10:45 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 19, 2010, 10:13:05 pm
How do I find a medieval server? I can't find any with a 'medieval' tag, and beyond that I'm stumped.The mapname is DegrootCastle or something. A good server community is Fugworld, and they set up their own dedicated medieval-mode server.
IP: 69.10.154.109:27015
Post by: ToonyMan on December 19, 2010, 10:14:42 pm
Post by: Zai on December 19, 2010, 10:46:31 pm
How do I find a medieval server? I can't find any with a 'medieval' tag, and beyond that I'm stumped.Filter for mapname "cp_degroot".
Am I the only one who LIKES getting lots more stuff to find and use?I do, but I don't think the current item drop supports these massive influxes of new stuff very well. It will take 2 weeks (minimum) to get all the new weapons without crafting, trading for, or buying any of them. And that's assuming all of your drops are the new weapons and you don't get any duplicates.
Post by: Jreengus on December 20, 2010, 02:27:21 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 20, 2010, 02:34:45 am
TF2 does seem to have turned into an RL cash for IG benefits gig. You can't really get all the weapons without paying and especially with the item sets where you need a hat to complete them and give you that extra bonus. For example if I was willing to fork over £10 I could get +25 health on my scout and reduced sentry damage on my soldier.Except every item that has gameplay stats are gonna be available through ingame means. They just haven't added crafting recipes for some of the new stuff yet. If they designed it so you had to pay for those benefits instead of some bug they plan to fix then I would agree. But this is currently an inaccurate assumption.
Post by: Jreengus on December 20, 2010, 02:52:57 am
Post by: Mr.Person on December 20, 2010, 02:58:40 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 20, 2010, 02:59:37 am
Although, I agree that the hats shouldn't be part of the sets. Being replaced by keys should only apply if you bought, not crafted, the hats
I played some of Medieval mode earlier today. The wordfilter was amazing.
Post by: Zai on December 20, 2010, 03:42:31 am
Except every item that has gameplay stats are gonna be available through ingame means.But to get them all will take a long time going by in-game means alone, whether you're waiting for them to drop, gathering materials to craft the ones with recipes (which you may already have enough of if you've been stocking up; still a fuckton of materials considering most of the new recipes involve two Reclaimed Metals), or trading for them (which requires something that the trader views as equally valuable).
I am hoping they (temporarily?) increase drop rates (which they very well may do for Christmas Day or something as a "gift").
Fun fact: The Loch-n-Load currently has 2 recipes that yield the same result with no other possibilities, but one requires several less weapons. This is because it has its own personal recipe as well as the "Fabricate Class Weapon" recipe. The personal recipe (Scottish Resistance + 2 Reclaimed Metals) requires a total of 13 weapons (1 SR + 2 (3(2)), while the generic Fabricate Class Weapon recipe (Class Token + Slot Token + Scrap Metal) requires a total of 8 weapons ((3(Demoman weapons)) + (3(Secondary Weapons) + 2).
I say they should cut the hat out of the already existing item set bonuses. Everybody who's purchased one already can get some free keys or something as a pseudo-refund.Yeah, I think the only reason they haven't done away with the hats from the original Polycount update sets is because they've gone on for months accepting money and having people crafting those hats just for the bonuses. The people who bought a Polycount hat and the people who spent a long while getting the weapons for hats they didn't necessarily like aesthetically would be in an uproar if they did away with the hats being required for the original bonuses. And if I had bought the hats just for the bonuses, I'd be kind of pissed if I got a few measly keys as compensation for Valve removing the hat requirement.
My solution (which I highly doubt has not been proposed before) is to have a slightly weaker form of the bonus for the original sets if the hats are not there, to resemble the more mundane bonuses of the Australian Christmas packs. For example, the Tank Buster set for the Soldier. Currently, with the hat, the bonus is +20% Sentry damage resistance. Without the hat, the bonus could be something like +10% Sentry damage resistance, which closely resembles the +10% fire damage resistance of the Demo's hatless set. For the Scout's set, +12/13 Health instead of +25. For the Pyro, +5% move speed and bullet vulnerability instead of +10%.
The Australian Christmas sets could also be boosted with the hat, encouraging sales of those hats. +2 heath regeneration per second for the Medic instead of +1, +10% critical hit damage resistance for the Heavy instead of +5%, and make the Demo the ultimate in resisting the Pyro by making it +20% fire damage resistance instead of +10% (it's cumulative with the Targe's +50%). And of course these are all just numbers for the ideas.
The 2 sets that would present a problem with this idea are the Spy's set and the Sniper's set. For the Sniper, it's hard to reduce a "wearer cannot be killed by headshots" effect without boosting the original, or going in a completely different direction. One thing about the Sniper set is that the bonus compensates for the effect of the required weapon Sydney Sleeper, which itself cannot headshot. The Bushwacka in the same set has a +20% fire damage vulnerability attached to it. Perhaps the hatless effect could be +10% fire damage resistance or somesuch, for a cumulative effect of +10% fire damage vulnerability? It's not immunity from enemy Sniper's headshots, but it does compensate for one of the required weapons. Though this is arguably the better bonus, as enemy Snipers typically just bodyshot Snipers wearing the Ol' Snaggletooth hat anyway.
For the Spy, the "Reduced decloak sound volume and 0.5 second longer Cloak blink time" effect doesn't translate very well to having the effect lowered or changed in a similar theme. I've got no ideas for an effect for this set. It would probably need to be something dealing with cloak, but the current effect kind of has that covered.
Post by: Mr.Person on December 20, 2010, 04:06:25 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 20, 2010, 04:15:42 am
But I will agree that people should not have to wear a hat for a set bonus.
Post by: MagmaDeath on December 20, 2010, 04:36:27 am
The Claidheamohmor, The Candy Cane, The Warrior's Spirit.
And the Fists of Steel and Loch-n-load can only be crafted.
And the drop chance for the new stuff seems to be amazingly low, as post update I have gotten:
2 crates
1 pain train
2 Homewreckers.
1 Cloak and dagger.
1 Flare gun.
Post by: Duuvian on December 20, 2010, 10:19:14 am
Hell yes. Look at this. Are these new medic weapons? Cool cool cool. So apparently the new gamemode you can only use "dated" weapons I guess.
Here's a thread in the TF2 forums that explains the new weapons. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1657460)
Cool as hell.
Thanks Toonyman
Post by: PTTG?? on December 20, 2010, 12:00:12 pm
Southern Hospitality is lame.
I figure it's a straight upgrade for the regular wrench, and it might give you a hint if someone's a spy since it'd give them the bleed effect, right?
That doesn't solve the fundamental problems. People with money to pay have an undeniable advantage over everyone else and players would still be shoehorned into wearing hats they may not like.
Except that people who have money generally have no time to spend getting stuff, and people who don't have money just play all day. If you don't have money or time, why are you playing video games? If your part of the idle rich, with tons of money and time, then everything else in life is easy, so why should games be different?
Post by: Soulwynd on December 20, 2010, 12:53:17 pm
*trollface here*
On a more serious note, every item that alters gameplay is dropable. To be honest, they don't make any difference to me, they're just cool to have a situational, but otherwise you can still wear the vanilla items and kick ass without a problem. Paying for them just means you get them sooner, instead getting drops/crafting/trading. If you're playing TF2 for the items, you're playing for the wrong reason.
Meanwhile, Soulwynd is very careful about hiding his dozens of hats and items and shit. All of which he didn't buy and earned/traded honestly. "My dear dear hats."
Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2010, 02:42:06 pm
:]Hell yes. Look at this. Are these new medic weapons? Cool cool cool. So apparently the new gamemode you can only use "dated" weapons I guess.
Here's a thread in the TF2 forums that explains the new weapons. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1657460)
Cool as hell.
Also, my brother made dem bear claws and they can destroy people. You may lose 20 HP, but that is no matter for
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 20, 2010, 02:51:06 pm
Well, quite a few items can currently not be found/crafted.Again, they are supposed to be able to be crafted/dropped. There is a large difference between accidentally not being able to do something and intentionally designing the system so you can't do something. We'll be able to craft them soon enough. And considering that we already busted all our scrap metal on some of the new items and have to get more drops to get more, this adds a nice deal of buffer time to get more metal.
The Claidheamohmor, The Candy Cane, The Warrior's Spirit.
And the Fists of Steel and Loch-n-load can only be crafted.
No random crits means 99% of the times I die as a spy to an engineer is gone, and the vulnerability to fire means you are twice as weak to pyros who get the drop on you. They can do a surprisingly large amount of damage to your sentry, which is made easier because they will kill the engineer before he can repair the sentry too much.Southern Hospitality is lame.
I figure it's a straight upgrade for the regular wrench, and it might give you a hint if someone's a spy since it'd give them the bleed effect, right?
In my eyes it's a straight downgrade unless you want to be a melee engineer, and even then the lack of random crits on a melee weapon is an issue.
Post by: Sensei on December 20, 2010, 02:52:12 pm
Maybe it would be more accurate to say that free players get a scattershot of all the available items, whereas paying ones get to choose which. Of course, just getting random ones can be a strain when there's a particular one you want.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 20, 2010, 02:57:19 pm
Drops and crafting only.
I used spare metal I had to craft half the new stuff.
It can be done.
Post by: Soulwynd on December 20, 2010, 03:36:13 pm
I stick to vanilla weapons most of the time tho, they're better in general.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 20, 2010, 03:58:13 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2010, 04:03:09 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 20, 2010, 04:28:12 pm
Post by: Greiger on December 20, 2010, 05:03:07 pm
And now just for the hell of it I fired it up again and...it works!
I am cunfuzzled as to why all my stuff says vintage. I don't think I'd wanna eat a 'vintage' sandvich or dokolas bar. I seem to be confusing people with all my old weapons. Apparently somebody didn't recognize my sniper's shiv and asked me where I got it. Are there really that many new items?
Post by: Thexor on December 20, 2010, 06:20:57 pm
And holy heck, yes, there's a lot of new items. There's something like 10-15 new weapons from this update. If you haven't been on since the Polycount update, that's another 15-odd weapons. And I have no bloody clue how many hats have been released. Of course, if you want to get up to speed quickly, you can buy items (another *cough* 'improvement' ::)), with one $49.99 pack containing (almost) all the new weapons and a whole bunch of hats. Or you can just craft them, or wait for them to drop, or find some poor sucker to trade with...
Post by: ToonyMan on December 20, 2010, 06:37:25 pm
Post by: LASD on December 21, 2010, 08:49:36 am
Boston Basher = Sandman + Tribalman's Shiv
Buffalo Steak = Crit-a-cola + Sandvich
Claidheamohmor = Targe + Homewrecker
Backscratcher = Skullcutter + Axtinquisher
Candy Cane = Kritzkrieg + Pain Train
Loch-n-Load = Demo Token + Secondary Token + Scrap (The only grenade launcher alternative)
The other set items require 2 reclaimed at least for now and the rest are only crate-obtainable for a while still. But anyway, now it's actually possible to get some of them.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 21, 2010, 02:48:23 pm
Post by: Sensei on December 21, 2010, 04:40:23 pm
It's really fun, wonder if it'll get nerfed.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 21, 2010, 04:55:25 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 21, 2010, 04:56:59 pm
Post by: Sensei on December 21, 2010, 05:15:07 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 21, 2010, 05:23:12 pm
I usually either play huntsman sniper or demoknight. Chargin' Targe sometimes catches the snipers off guard.That's what I play. :I
Post by: Thexor on December 21, 2010, 05:28:25 pm
...
Is the Brass Beast really that good? I looked at it, said, "20% more damage for (what look like) huge penalties?!", and haven't considered it since. Might have to give it another shot, then.
Post by: Metalax on December 21, 2010, 05:59:34 pm
Heyy, there's now easy ways to get new weapons:
Boston Basher = Sandman + Tribalman's Shiv
Buffalo Steak = Crit-a-cola + Sandvich
Claidheamohmor = Targe + Homewrecker
Backscratcher = Skullcutter + Axtinquisher
Candy Cane = Kritzkrieg + Pain Train
Loch-n-Load = Demo Token + Secondary Token + Scrap (The only grenade launcher alternative)
The other set items require 2 reclaimed at least for now and the rest are only crate-obtainable for a while still. But anyway, now it's actually possible to get some of them.
As an addition, the recipes for the Jag and Fists of steel are now discovered which completes the list of recipes.
Jag = Southern Hospitality + 2 scrap
Fists of Steel = GRU + 2 scrap
Post by: Sensei on December 21, 2010, 06:31:34 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 21, 2010, 08:05:04 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on December 21, 2010, 08:10:21 pm
There, now all items are dropable. Let us bask in the glory of these new items, for all can get them.Forsooth, I say, huzzah!
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2010, 01:02:42 am
So, I'm still useless as a medic in Degroot keep, but I've also got a pee gun.
Anyone have a spare crossbow and want a sleeper... or maybe some vintage stuff? I have refined metal, I guess...
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 01:08:19 am
Post by: Zai on December 22, 2010, 01:09:14 am
Arghhh! The wiki lied to me! I tried to make a Crusader's Crossbow out of a huntsman and some reclaimed metal, and it gave me... a SIDNEY SLEEPER. Might as well given me a sharp rock.Erm, I'm pretty sure the Wiki didn't lie to you. I think you just misread it. It's actually pretty easy to do, as Sydney Sleeper is crafted by Huntsman + 1 Reclaimed, whereas the Crossbow is crafted by Huntsman + 2 Reclaimed.
Indeed, the Wiki just shows "use two of these" with a little "x2" beside the upper right hand part of the Reclaimed Metal image.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2010, 01:14:36 am
Arghhh! The wiki lied to me! I tried to make a Crusader's Crossbow out of a huntsman and some reclaimed metal, and it gave me... a SIDNEY SLEEPER. Might as well given me a sharp rock.Erm, I'm pretty sure the Wiki didn't lie to you. I think you just misread it. It's actually pretty easy to do, as Sydney Sleeper is crafted by Huntsman + 1 Reclaimed, whereas the Crossbow is crafted by Huntsman + 2 Reclaimed.
So, I'm still useless as a medic in Degroot keep, but I've also got a pee gun.
Anyone have a spare crossbow and want a sleeper... or maybe some vintage stuff? I have refined metal, I guess...
Indeed, the Wiki just shows "use two of these" with a little "x2" beside the upper right hand part of the Reclaimed Metal image.
*Hand on chin.*
Well then, by simply adding a reclaimed metal to the sleeper, I should get the crossbow!
Post by: Zai on December 22, 2010, 01:17:44 am
Talk to Valve about that, and let us know how it goes. =PArghhh! The wiki lied to me! I tried to make a Crusader's Crossbow out of a huntsman and some reclaimed metal, and it gave me... a SIDNEY SLEEPER. Might as well given me a sharp rock.Erm, I'm pretty sure the Wiki didn't lie to you. I think you just misread it. It's actually pretty easy to do, as Sydney Sleeper is crafted by Huntsman + 1 Reclaimed, whereas the Crossbow is crafted by Huntsman + 2 Reclaimed.
Indeed, the Wiki just shows "use two of these" with a little "x2" beside the upper right hand part of the Reclaimed Metal image.
*Hand on chin.*
Well then, by simply adding a reclaimed metal to the sleeper, I should get the crossbow!
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 01:21:14 am
Post by: Zai on December 22, 2010, 01:25:32 am
Can you make a huntsman?No, but it's drop-able, buy-able, trade-for-able, and you get one for a Sniper achievement.
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 01:26:36 am
Post by: Mr.Person on December 22, 2010, 01:27:03 am
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 01:36:17 am
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2010, 01:58:39 am
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 02:01:45 am
Post by: Thexor on December 22, 2010, 02:05:22 am
Guess I'll wait for one to drop. Not gonna craft my only awesome sniper gun. ;)
But you can't craft the stock sniper rifle. :trollface:
(Incidentally, the crossbow ain't that useful. Trust me, it's just as hard to hit allies as it is to hit enemies - heck, I've had people shouting "MEDIC!", completely alone with me, and they still dodge around constantly. >:( Far more effective to just grab the new bonesaw and play them a tune.)
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 02:12:11 am
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2010, 02:15:22 am
Gunboats? And yes.
NO! They are BOOTS! Thus Gunboots.
And I looked it up- it's 17% of people who have them use them, making the Gunboots as popular as the Sleeper... It seems that by a considerable margin, the Pain Train is least popular, which is very odd, seeing as a demo with it can get places a scout can't and can still move with some speed. The other really unpopular item is, unsurprisingly, the chocolate.
Post by: Thexor on December 22, 2010, 02:22:25 am
Gunboats? And yes.
NO! They are BOOTS! Thus Gunboots.
And I looked it up- it's 17% of people who have them use them, making the Gunboots as popular as the Sleeper... It seems that by a considerable margin, the Pain Train is least popular, which is very odd, seeing as a demo with it can get places a scout can't and can still move with some speed. The other really unpopular item is, unsurprisingly, the chocolate.
Okay, you've gotta tell me - where are these kinds of stats hidden? I can't find anything but the 'TF2 Global Achievement List' anymore from the Steam website.
The Sleeper/Chocolate/Gunboats don't really surprise me. The chocolate's freakin' useless (+50 hp?), the Sleeper almost as much (piss on the target instead of instakilling them?), and the Gunboats were somewhat useful before the damage reduction was nerfed. The Pain Train, though... I'm somewhat surprised. That said, the Equalizer's a really powerful melee tool, and the Demo has more melee weapons than any other class, so I guess it's not as much of a shock as it might be. Still, it's a darn useful weapon, usable by two different classes, and it's that low on the list?
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 02:25:22 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 22, 2010, 02:49:09 am
I use the sleeper when people move like bots. Random spasms and while firing bullets in every direction.Because hitting somebody and covering them in piss is better than missing a dozen times trying to hit a tiny target moving like a goddam fly on crack.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2010, 03:05:03 am
I use the sleeper when people move like bots. Random spasms and while firing bullets in every direction.Because hitting somebody and covering them in piss is better than missing a dozen times trying to hit a tiny target moving like a goddam fly on crack.
(http://thegurglingcod.typepad.com/thegurglingcod/images/2008/02/12/the_more_you_know2.jpg)
If I had better lag, I might be a bit better at it, but yeah I generally work with the heavy and the engie when online since I live in 1995 and my internet is conveyed by parcel post.
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 03:16:38 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 22, 2010, 03:24:53 am
Yep. Smg kills them pretty quickly. Unless your a retard and had the jarate equipped too.Yo.
I am the piss sniper. It is me.
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 03:27:29 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 22, 2010, 03:28:47 am
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 03:53:26 am
Post by: Mr.Person on December 22, 2010, 04:00:29 am
I cover all in fire, or bombs.
Doesn't change the fact you're covered in pee.
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 04:08:46 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 22, 2010, 05:17:45 am
Post by: ToonyMan on December 22, 2010, 12:13:22 pm
* Added several crafting recipes for new weapons.
* Added a ton of items to the store.
* Added a ton of items to the random drop list.
* The following hats are now paintable or have had their paintability improved: Pyromancer's Mask, Detective Noir, Madame Dixie, Buckaroos Hat, German Gonzila, Flipped Trilby, Coupe D'isaster
* Fixed a spelling error on the "Pyromancer's Mask".
* Corrected the name of the "Claidheamh Mòr" to the joy of our Celtic players.
* Made "Le Party Phantom" a misc slot item.
* Fixed a client crash caused by custom stats panels.
* Fixed a bug where some new items weren't being dropped correctly.
* Removed displaying the top 10 players in the leaderboard if you have never won a duel.
* Updated the localization files.
* Fixed a regression in Tournament Mode item whitelists.
o Also added "mp_tournament_whitelist", a convar that allows servers to specify a whitelist file to use.
* Fixed a client crash caused by custom stats panels.
Duke I now know why I crashed five times that game.
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 01:30:54 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2010, 01:39:10 pm
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 01:40:46 pm
Trading: Degreaser or anything for a backburner.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2010, 02:02:15 pm
Post by: The Scout on December 22, 2010, 03:16:35 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on December 22, 2010, 05:32:31 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on December 22, 2010, 05:49:37 pm
Crafting server is down. All crafting is broke for now.
Sometimes this means Valve's changing something. Sometimes it just means they're doing maintenance.
Post by: Thexor on December 22, 2010, 07:03:27 pm
Crafting server is down. All crafting is broke for now.
Sometimes this means Valve's changing something. Sometimes it just means they're doing maintenance.
And sometimes it means they cheaped out with a poor server and one person too many tried to craft a new toy at once. ;D
Post by: Mr.Person on December 23, 2010, 03:06:31 am
Post by: ECrownofFire on December 23, 2010, 05:20:48 am
In this case, it turns out they were doubling the drop rate. (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4822)Well shit. Time to play more TF2 then, I guess. There goes my week (not like I was going to do anything else though).
Also:
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For those of you with more beard on your necks than sense in your headsIt's official, Valve disapproves of neck beards!
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 23, 2010, 05:21:53 am
Also:QuoteFor those of you with more beard on your necks than sense in your headsIt's official, Valve disapproves of neck beards!
...there are people who don't o_0
Post by: LASD on December 23, 2010, 05:54:17 am
I used mine on a festive crate and got Le Party Phantom, which is cool, though I seem to be cursed with getting things for my least played class.
Post by: The Scout on December 23, 2010, 05:55:23 am
Post by: Deadmeat1471 on December 23, 2010, 06:28:17 am
Post by: The Scout on December 23, 2010, 06:29:58 am
Edit: Here is the clean version. Took me an hour to clean it up. http://www.tf2items.com/id/RedAlertFan (http://www.tf2items.com/id/RedAlertFan)
Post by: ECrownofFire on December 23, 2010, 07:59:36 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 23, 2010, 09:31:50 am
Post by: ToonyMan on December 23, 2010, 01:23:32 pm
I found the jag. :]
Post by: Sensei on December 23, 2010, 01:26:32 pm
Also, who wants a spy token?
Post by: PTTG?? on December 23, 2010, 01:29:26 pm
Post by: Strange guy on December 23, 2010, 02:24:33 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 23, 2010, 02:51:18 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 23, 2010, 03:15:24 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on December 23, 2010, 05:10:04 pm
I dunno about the rest of you, but I think it was faster even without wrenching, but I'm not sure, I wasn't being very scientific about it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 23, 2010, 05:30:29 pm
But I don't think it would be that useful, even if it sounds ideal.
Post by: ToonyMan on December 23, 2010, 06:23:31 pm
(http://i.min.us/jb92dQ.png)
i am the robin williams
it is me
Post by: Zai on December 23, 2010, 07:13:45 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 23, 2010, 07:14:38 pm
Post by: Zai on December 23, 2010, 07:33:47 pm
Try for an unusual. And paints are always nice. The new weapons are all in the drop tables, so no issue.Yeah, but the unusual hat is also part of the Festive Crate (with a higher estimated drop percentage, too!). So it's basically: [34% chance for hats I don't have (with 2% estimated chance of unusual hats) and another 66% chance for weapons I don't have] vs. [80% chance for crate-only paints that I would not mind getting, 16% chance for a crate-only paint I don't want, 3% chance for a hat I would like, 1% chance for an unusual hat].
QUESTION: Are uncrated items tradeable?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 23, 2010, 08:36:42 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on December 23, 2010, 09:08:02 pm
So, despite today being the start of the double drop rate thing, and having had drops refreshed within the past two days, why is it that I've played for over two hours today and haven't found a thing?Yes, so far I have gotten 1 Razorback, 1 Huntsman, and 2 Scottish Resistances, just from around... 3 or 4 hours. Kind of strange that you haven't gotten anything though.
Does it seem like double drops to anyone else?
Post by: The Scout on December 24, 2010, 09:25:14 am
Post by: Myroc on December 24, 2010, 11:08:26 am
Post by: Metalax on December 24, 2010, 11:34:25 am
Also Fists of Steel are great for when you have to run a short distance under fire to get to a medkit or ammo.
I regret crafting my backburner.
Give me a shout when you are in-game. I've got a spare that I can trade to you if you still need one.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 24, 2010, 11:43:26 am
It's like suckerpunching them with a minigun.
Post by: Sensei on December 24, 2010, 03:16:12 pm
Edit: Hey- guess who just got a Towering Pillar of hats?
Post by: Zai on December 24, 2010, 03:52:24 pm
Does anyone have a festive crate they're willing to give me? Possibly for two regular crates?Congratulations! How'd you get it?
Edit: Hey- guess who just got a Towering Pillar of hats?
Post by: Sensei on December 24, 2010, 03:59:22 pm
Post by: Ze Spy on December 25, 2010, 10:57:25 pm
Fuck you , Idiot , Medic doesn't mean -or even translate to- "Spectator"
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 25, 2010, 11:11:02 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 26, 2010, 01:47:52 am
Yes, I've actually heard people make this claim. No, none of them can actually aim their Blutsauger well enough to actually win a battle. >:(
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 26, 2010, 01:54:19 am
"But I'm a battle medic! I don't heal people!"You'd be suprised at the crack sentry takedowns I could make on an anger binge.
Yes, I've actually heard people make this claim. No, none of them can actually aim their Blutsauger well enough to actually win a battle. >:(
Post by: Osmosis Jones on December 26, 2010, 03:00:03 am
Post by: ToonyMan on December 26, 2010, 03:15:53 am
Post by: Sensei on December 26, 2010, 03:24:55 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 26, 2010, 03:33:29 am
Post by: Ze Spy on December 26, 2010, 06:23:04 am
I just had to do it after seeing the Battlemedic discussion
Post by: ToonyMan on December 26, 2010, 12:40:14 pm
Spoiler: Every game of Degroot Keep ever (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sensei on December 26, 2010, 02:32:28 pm
Post by: Soapalope on December 26, 2010, 03:43:38 pm
Medicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedicmedic
medic.
Post by: Derekristow on December 26, 2010, 03:53:17 pm
Post by: Zai on December 26, 2010, 04:18:56 pm
Post by: Ze Spy on December 26, 2010, 04:54:49 pm
SPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPYSPY
or
CAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMPCAMP
or
Everyone *Every gun in TF2* Battlemedic
Post by: inteuniso on December 26, 2010, 05:23:08 pm
Post by: Ze Spy on December 26, 2010, 07:10:20 pm
Thanks to you guys, I feel inspired to BATTLEMEDIC LIKE A PRO.
Brb playing TF2.
What did i just do?
Post by: Zai on December 26, 2010, 09:10:16 pm
I used my free key on a festive crate and got a Madame Dixie. It looks quite nice with a tie and a rake. ;)And then I got a Stout Shako through the regular drop system! Heheh. Two new hats in one day.
I'm considering painting my Madame Dixie (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Madame_Dixie) purple to look more like it was originally (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/0/07/FvN_madame_dixie.png). Should I? I already have the paint.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on December 29, 2010, 01:33:27 am
Post by: Mr.Person on December 29, 2010, 01:40:20 am
Post by: ToonyMan on December 29, 2010, 01:50:57 am
Post by: Zai on December 29, 2010, 02:04:23 am
So I have given up on this game, but I have a Soldier's Metal people keep bugging me online about, so I want to donate it to someone else in the Bay 12 community, but I am not sure how to pick fairly.Are they even tradeable?
I recommend just trading it to a friend of yours that has TF2 (probably the one that plays Solly the most so that it sees the most use, or one who at least plays Solly pretty often). That's the easiest thing to do.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 29, 2010, 02:42:52 am
OK, I don't know how you'd do the paperwork for that, but it could be big.
I've always wanted one, but since I only play soldier when the planets are in alignment, it would not get shown off a lot.
Post by: Capntastic on December 29, 2010, 02:53:32 am
Post by: Myroc on December 29, 2010, 05:49:47 am
Post by: The Scout on December 29, 2010, 06:26:21 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on December 29, 2010, 11:23:10 am
I'll take the case!
Soldier is probably my favorite offensive class(Also my highest point total in one life)
Post by: PsyberianHusky on December 30, 2010, 07:26:16 am
I am thinking if I could get about 7 of ya I may have a nice way of determining who will get the metal
Post by: Deus ex Machina on December 30, 2010, 10:16:49 am
Post by: ECrownofFire on December 30, 2010, 10:41:31 am
How do we even get on Australian Christmas servers? Or is it over?There are no "Australian Christmas servers". If you mean Medieval Mode, look for the map Degroot Keep (cp_degrootkeep). It's also possible for a server to manually turn it on for other maps, but servers are VERY rarely going to do that, don't even bother looking. And Medieval Mode is never going away.
Post by: Deus ex Machina on December 30, 2010, 12:24:11 pm
Bone saw = Best saw
Post by: Luke_Prowler on December 30, 2010, 12:34:23 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on December 30, 2010, 12:38:51 pm
So I finally bought this game a few days ago... didn't expect it to be so hard...Play on pub servers at first until you get the hang out of it.
I started by testing every class and see if there was one I could do better and then I went with that one until I got the hang of it. In my case, it was the engineer. Then I switched to demo, then to spy, then to sniper, and then the rest.
Post by: The Scout on December 30, 2010, 01:32:19 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 30, 2010, 01:36:34 pm
Doctors are completely overpowered in medieval mode. :|Below-average ranged attack. Average melee attack.
Bone saw = Best saw
I can see how self-healing can help a bit, but my skullcutter demoknight has been an absolute blast ripping people apart. Medics have been no problem.
Post by: The Scout on December 30, 2010, 01:52:34 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 30, 2010, 02:07:01 pm
Backscratcher Pyros have +25% damage, retain their random crits, and get 75% more benefit from health packs (which drop on every kill). Powerjack Pyros with the full set are almost as powerful (and faster than a Medic, too!), losing only their crits. And let's not forget the Heavy, with +30% damage in exchange for -20 hp (and his Steak Sandvich for move speed and minicrits), or else the KGB (which become horribly-overpowered when complete morons insist on attacking him midway through a crit streak). Oh, and the Demo has a half-dozen options for his melee weapon, all of them at least marginal improvements over the stock weapon.
Trust me, Medics are nice, especially for a ranged attack... but they aren't top-of-the-list by any standards. :P
Post by: Deus ex Machina on December 30, 2010, 02:15:28 pm
Post by: The Scout on December 30, 2010, 02:25:20 pm
Post by: Strange guy on December 30, 2010, 02:28:50 pm
Post by: Sensei on December 30, 2010, 02:32:06 pm
Post by: The Scout on December 30, 2010, 02:35:08 pm
Post by: Strange guy on December 30, 2010, 02:48:57 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on December 30, 2010, 02:51:28 pm
Piss? Wouldn't be very helpful without the Bushwacka.Oh, you can use the Bushwacka. It's just completely useless without the jarate :P
Post by: ECrownofFire on December 30, 2010, 03:06:17 pm
The Bushwacka gets normal random crits as well as crits from mini crits, and at the cost of fire vulnerability (how often are you being ignited in Medieval mode?), it is not as useless as you think.There are exactly three reasons you would ever get mini-crits in Medieval. Crit-a-cola, the steak sandvich, and the buff banner.
Granted, there's only one reason you can get ignited, but it happens more often than any of these from my experiences in medieval mode.
Post by: The Scout on December 30, 2010, 03:09:04 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 30, 2010, 03:12:48 pm
Piss? Wouldn't be very helpful without the Bushwacka.Oh, you can use the Bushwacka. It's just completely useless without the jarate :P
Well, depends. If a friendly Soldier whips out his Buff Banner, suddenly the Bushwacka becomes useful. More notably, it lands guaranteed crits on Crit-a-Cola Scouts (rare) and Steak Sandvich Heavies (not so rare). Heck, I'd argue the #1 counter to a Heavy packing a Steak Sandvich is a Bushwacka Sniper!
And if you're ignited by a Sniper, you're dead either way - if the arrow doesn't kill you directly, the base fire damage certainly will, Bushwacka or no. So it's hardly a drawback. (The ignition source is a flaming arrow, if you didn't know.)
Post by: The Scout on December 30, 2010, 03:27:07 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on December 30, 2010, 03:42:24 pm
But a pyro with a flamethrower is needed for a flaming arrow. My head hurts.There are torches scattered around on Degroot Keep that light arrows on fire when you walk up to them.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 30, 2010, 04:19:14 pm
Post by: Siquo on December 31, 2010, 07:03:25 am
I personally don't really like it a lot, it's too much meleespam.
What I do like is my axtinguisher. Oh, how I love it. BurnWHACKBurnWHACKBurnWHACK.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on December 31, 2010, 10:36:47 am
So I have given up on this game, but I have a Soldier's Metal people keep bugging me online about, so I want to donate it to someone else in the Bay 12 community, but I am not sure how to pick fairly.
Ok everyone who is interested PM me your name, I will figure the most convoluted way to distribute the metal possible.
I am thinking if I could get about 7 of ya I may have a nice way of determining who will get the metal
Okay heads up if ya PM me give me some stats ya like too.
I am going to roll you all in a fort and then use some assassin scoring system that I will likely make up last min, the fort will be rolled up whenever I feel like it, and because I am too lazy to play for a couple of days on end until some juicy HFS shows up and picks a winner though unnatural selection I want you guys to help me pick a theme for the fort such as:"The dining hall doubles as a firing range"
Post by: Soulwynd on December 31, 2010, 11:57:35 am
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NCZPPW95
This happened on necro yesterday while I was playing.
Post by: Zai on December 31, 2010, 07:48:43 pm
It's the FINAL SALE OF THE DECADE! this weekend...somehow.
Post by: Soulwynd on January 12, 2011, 07:35:45 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvQaCh9e5LE
Post by: ToonyMan on January 12, 2011, 09:10:59 am
Dropping more gifts:How the heck is it looping?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvQaCh9e5LE
Post by: Soulwynd on January 12, 2011, 09:15:34 am
Post by: kg333 on January 12, 2011, 05:58:31 pm
Dropping more gifts:How the heck is it looping?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvQaCh9e5LE
More specifically, how is it looping without using the loop parameter or an external script?
KG
EDIT: According to the video poster: "put a pause annotation right at the end of the video that lasts 1/10 of a second." Huh...
Post by: Soulwynd on January 12, 2011, 06:08:08 pm
ie. pause at the very end of the movie.
Happy now? :P
Post by: The Scout on January 14, 2011, 10:36:43 pm
Ullapool Caber + Sticky Jumper = great fun on 2fort or other similar maps, where you sticky jump over to the snipers campsite, give them an explosive enema, then jump back to rearm.Steam account. Now. I'm not a complete man without my backburner.
Also Fists of Steel are great for when you have to run a short distance under fire to get to a medkit or ammo.I regret crafting my backburner.
Give me a shout when you are in-game. I've got a spare that I can trade to you if you still need one.
Post by: The Doctor on January 14, 2011, 10:58:58 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on January 14, 2011, 11:01:03 pm
Post by: The Scout on January 14, 2011, 11:58:45 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on January 15, 2011, 12:00:36 am
Go demoman and lay sticky bombs over a wide area. Sure to kill something.I was playing demo the whole time (besides medic at the end) and I don't care about killing people. That's a secondary goal that comes hand in hand.
Post by: Siquo on January 15, 2011, 06:39:36 am
That's a secondary goalYou're playing it wrong. :D
Winning is nice, and I'll happily switch classes, help engies, or be the only effing one in the whole team who actually pushes the cart, but in the end, I just want to be on the top of that scoreboard. And see a lot of axetinguisher kills in the topright corner.
Post by: The Doctor on January 15, 2011, 11:23:32 am
Being on top is nice, and I'd happily switch to sniper, go heavy, or be the only effing good spy on the whole team, but in the end, I just want to help my team reach victory. Even if I'm not on top of the scoreboard.
Spoiler: SEE WUT I DID THAR (click to show/hide)
Post by: Soulwynd on January 15, 2011, 05:38:33 pm
In the end, I want to be the one with the most hats.
Post by: The Scout on January 15, 2011, 05:41:45 pm
You're both playing it wrong.I want the most guns, hats, and CRATES.
In the end, I want to be the one with the most hats.
Post by: Mr.Person on January 15, 2011, 07:55:40 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on January 15, 2011, 09:06:59 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on January 15, 2011, 10:42:02 pm
Post by: Thexor on January 15, 2011, 11:13:10 pm
Special hats from crates are sold for absurd amounts of money on auction sites.
Yeah... I'm kind of wondering how long until some group claims that TF2 is facilitating gambling. Buying a key is hardly different from buying a lottery ticket - you pay you're $2.50, and odds are you'll get a crummy weapon (which, thanks to the store, has a fixed dollar value), with a small chance of getting an ultra-rare hat that can be re-sold on auction sites. It's gambling, potentially for real money, and I'm curious as to what would happen if some lawyer tried to push the issue.
Post by: Metalax on January 16, 2011, 03:14:34 am
Post by: MrWiggles on January 16, 2011, 06:07:17 am
Post by: Mr.Person on January 16, 2011, 06:44:01 am
As long as the trade sites are third party and unaffiliated with Valve, I don't see how they can be accused of something like that.
That's not the issue. The issue is that keys, which you have to pay for, are used to open crates, which have different chances of giving different prizes, one of which is very valuable. Problem is, that's not gambling. Legally speaking, gambling requires actual money to be involved as a prize, not material items.
Post by: umiman on January 16, 2011, 07:26:47 am
Post by: PTTG?? on January 19, 2011, 07:27:45 pm
Legally speaking, gambling requires actual money to be involved as a prize, not material items.
Do be pendantic, it is a stretch to call an imaginary gun (or hat) a "material" item.
Post by: Mr.Person on January 19, 2011, 07:54:44 pm
Legally speaking, gambling requires actual money to be involved as a prize, not material items.
Do be pendantic, it is a stretch to call an imaginary gun (or hat) a "material" item.
Legally speaking, virtual items are still material items since they took time, effort, and/or money to acquire.
Perhaps the term I'm looking for is actually "material possessions"?
Post by: kg333 on January 22, 2011, 12:46:52 pm
Legally speaking, gambling requires actual money to be involved as a prize, not material items.
Do be pendantic, it is a stretch to call an imaginary gun (or hat) a "material" item.
Legally speaking, virtual items are still material items since they took time, effort, and/or money to acquire.
Perhaps the term I'm looking for is actually "material possessions"?
Legally speaking, most software companies define that all virtual property in-game remains theirs. Hence why Blizzard and other MMO companies are able to shut down and potentially prosecute gold sellers...under the TOS agreed to, it's an abuse of the company's virtual property for monetary gain.
KG
Post by: The Scout on January 22, 2011, 12:56:43 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on January 22, 2011, 02:15:28 pm
You should read the agreement on Valve's contribute site. They spell out in 50 different ways that Valve owns anything you contribute and can do whatever they please with them, including demands takedown notices on the stuff if you uploaded it to another site. Have they done that? No. Will they ever do that? No. But they can, if for some reason they ever want to.
Post by: kg333 on January 22, 2011, 04:52:45 pm
Well yes, companies have crazy ToS agreements. They never exercise their rights, but they're leaving their options open. I could talk about ToS agreements all day, but that would be crazy off-topic.
You should read the agreement on Valve's contribute site. They spell out in 50 different ways that Valve owns anything you contribute and can do whatever they please with them, including demands takedown notices on the stuff if you uploaded it to another site. Have they done that? No. Will they ever do that? No. But they can, if for some reason they ever want to.
Yeah, I could rant on about ToS agreements too, I was just correcting the "legally speaking" bit. "Legally speaking", Valve could completely screw everyone over. Will they? Probably not, but it covers their butts on any gambling accusations.
KG
Post by: Mr.Person on January 22, 2011, 05:20:22 pm
Well yes, companies have crazy ToS agreements. They never exercise their rights, but they're leaving their options open. I could talk about ToS agreements all day, but that would be crazy off-topic.
You should read the agreement on Valve's contribute site. They spell out in 50 different ways that Valve owns anything you contribute and can do whatever they please with them, including demands takedown notices on the stuff if you uploaded it to another site. Have they done that? No. Will they ever do that? No. But they can, if for some reason they ever want to.
Yeah, I could rant on about ToS agreements too, I was just correcting the "legally speaking" bit. "Legally speaking", Valve could completely screw everyone over. Will they? Probably not, but it covers their butts on any gambling accusations.
KG
Let's just say that no court would side with the company if a company tried to claim in-game items were their possession. It would be the equivalent of loaning someone a VCR and then claiming you own any tapes recorded on that VCR or renting out a building you own to an artist and claiming that any art the artist made belongs to you.
And in any case, they're already covered from gambling charges since the prize isn't cash. I can think of nowhere in the world that defines non-cash prizes as gambling. If they do get in trouble, they can start dropping keys, start dropping unusuals outside of crates, or simply limit buying keys in the areas with overly strict gambling laws.
Post by: Shadowlord on January 22, 2011, 05:39:40 pm
I can think of nowhere in the world that defines non-cash prizes as gambling.
Besides second life, but then they have a currency of sorts, which is convertible into real money, which is probably what gets them concerned about it.
Post by: DrunkDorfPally on January 22, 2011, 05:46:14 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on January 22, 2011, 06:08:11 pm
I can think of nowhere in the world that defines non-cash prizes as gambling.
Besides second life, but then they have a currency of sorts, which is convertible into real money, which is probably what gets them concerned about it.
Well I was referring to countries, but then again, if somebody plays TF2 within Second Life, props to them.
Post by: The Scout on January 22, 2011, 06:42:35 pm
Post by: Sensei on January 22, 2011, 07:22:41 pm
Post by: The Scout on January 22, 2011, 07:44:21 pm
It is fun indeed, but you're pretty much never getting a second kill with it except on DeGroot.I've never actually played on DeGroot yet.
Post by: Metalax on February 06, 2011, 07:21:10 pm
Discovering the secrets of the Tradeamous-Ignoramus tribe: an expedition. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1729589)
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on February 06, 2011, 09:09:19 pm
Just ran across an amusing account over on the steam forums.This is amazing.
Discovering the secrets of the Tradeamous-Ignoramus tribe: an expedition. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1729589)
Post by: Zai on February 06, 2011, 09:32:15 pm
Just ran across an amusing account over on the steam forums.Heheh. Funny.
Discovering the secrets of the Tradeamous-Ignoramus tribe: an expedition. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1729589)
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 07, 2011, 01:21:21 am
Actually, since there's so much more to it than I first thought, I'm super excited. This game rocks.
Post by: Enzo on February 07, 2011, 02:43:46 am
I've been following TF2 since the first major update, stopped after I think the... pyro? Scout? One before the Engineer, anyway. Only now do I buy it. After so many changes, it's completely different to the TF2 I fell in love with.
Actually, since there's so much more to it than I first thought, I'm super excited. This game rocks.
Hehehe, I just bought it about 3 weeks ago. It is as awesome as I always expected it to be. Even though I suck.
Post by: Strange guy on February 07, 2011, 01:39:55 pm
The items also kind of suck- something like the axtinguisher for the scout, except not as good and he can't set people on fire? A pyro melee that's worse then the flamethrower in practically every way? Still apparently the afterburn from the pro melee is harder to put out, but unless you crit the extra damage you would have dealt using the flamer you'll probably end up doing less damage.
Post by: ToonyMan on February 07, 2011, 03:28:05 pm
This is old news, but I just remember because of Jackrabbit and Kinseti so I guess it's worth mentioning. I still remember playing TF2 for the first time as a scout in Dustbowl. Ten-Fifteen achievements sure are hard to get. :P
Post by: Shadowlord on February 07, 2011, 03:41:30 pm
... No-ones has mentioned anything about the Rift items? I would have thought someone would have mentioned this fairly controversial promotional items. Anyway the problems people have is that the items don't fit the art-style- even less so then most other promotional, that the 2 games are unconnected, that they have stats (they will be available to all in a month or something like that, but that kind of destroys their purpose of showing people who like Rift) and that the 'Genuine' item quality now exists for people who got one from buying Rift (or trading with someone who did).
My problem with them was more along the lines of "You want us to pre-order an MMO to get TF2 items now?"
Post by: ToonyMan on February 07, 2011, 03:44:43 pm
Post by: Zai on February 07, 2011, 08:57:23 pm
The items also kind of suckThe stats look pretty bad. The set-enemy-on-fire-on-hit Pyro axe seems rather useless in everything but Melee-only/Medieval matches, and even then it could still be bad. The Scout's mini-crit-against-burning-players stick requires a cooperative Pyro teammate to be effective at all.
So they seem pretty pointless (aside from melee fires in Melee-only/Medieval) to me except for their looks.
Post by: Strange guy on February 08, 2011, 01:26:01 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on February 17, 2011, 12:46:13 pm
Attack the person rather than their logic, nice.No, It's part of their logic and if you think there isn't skill needed, well, you're playing in the wrong places. I said it in this thread quite a few times, the server you play in makes a huge difference in your experience with TF2. I either play in competitive servers or pub servers where competitive players go to. It doesn't matter if you have a sandman or a natascha or even a valve developer one-hit-kill rocket launcher. Skilled people will own you. I'm not saying I'm a competitive pro, I'm just saying it's more fun to play with them.
There was never any large amount of skill in TF2 and with the recent updates theres less.
You're trying to tell me that Natasha and the Sandman added skill to the game? The real skills came from team work and communication which was butchered when valved decided to blur the lines between the various classes.
I guess balance doesn't matter for the competitve community either who usually injects life into the game after the mainstream audience had it full.
I guess it doesn't matter that Valve backflipped on the design policies they worked years trying to prefect just to get some more money out of the casual gamers.
I may be very biased on this, but I really don't see any crazy back flip there. The only item that I find really weird is the Razorback, but then again, it wastes the sniper's secondary slot, so. Plus whether people buy things or not doesn't make a difference to gameplay.
You seem to think everyone cares that you spent money at an online store. Some people want to play a game without either paying money to get weapons or spend years waiting to get the same weapons as everyone else.I've never spent money in the store and never will. Where the fuck did you get that idea? Don't go assuming things about other people.
As for the community. Its crap. Theres no skill left in it, I can join Tf2 and dominate whole teams which is sad. The community just wants more crappy weapons and hats which isolates new players from entering. The community is stranggling itself with its over all shitiness.
TF2 is NOT an MMORPG.
In closing: I wish to state I disagree with you sir. Also to inform that I hope never to meet you in a dark alley.
You don't have to waste years, only weapons from other games aren't craftable and you can always trade. See, that's just whining you want things now instead of enjoying the game... Or not enjoying it, since it sounds more like you hate TF2. In which case, why do you even care?
Again, you're playing at the wrong places. You cannot expect any skill or fun if you go into a random pub server. It also doesn't isolate new players -at all- the vanilla weapons are just as good as any other item and depending on your style of play much better. The community is doing just fine as well and that whole TF2-MMORPG is extremely non-sense. I don't know if you go to the steam forums or not, but seems like you'd fit just fine in there.
And dark alley? Wtf? Weirdo.
Class balance. Balance between items.And you said it's not about your skill? There's nothing you cannot counter with skill. Seriously, come play with us in a pro/semi-pro server. I know from personal experience you can bring any weapon you think that fucks the game balance and people will hand your ass to you in a silver plate with vanilla weapons.
Its not about me, my skill, or the items I have, or how well I can use them.
I'm talking about class blurring, items that turn one class into a counter to its "counter class."
There is balance to TF2. It doesn't need to be perfect, but they designed the game around "oh, that's why I died, I'll do this differently" and none of the new items allow for that. There's too many combinations, too many choices, and too much "I can't counter that."
You know... I like diversity, I like options, I like combination, and I like choices... If TF2 had stagnated into only having the same old set of weapons and had to play them over and over and over, I wouldn't like TF2 anymore. It's the reason I was bored at CSS. I played it for a month and that was all there was to it. Not only that, but the community was whining about the updates when I asked them what they thought of it and if they would like some changes, more weapons. I don't mean this offensively, but it almost sounded like they were factory workers that only had to press a couple buttons and do something repetitive non-stop. It's very menial and really doesn't keep my interest for long.
Post by: Zai on February 17, 2011, 11:51:21 pm
If TF2 had stagnated into only having the same old set of weapons and had to play them over and over and over, I wouldn't like TF2 anymore.I'd just like to say: I agree with this statement. I joined the game post-Scout update, pre-Spyper update. By the time Spyper came out, I was already waning in interest, but once it came, I played almost non-stop TF2 (well, relative to other games; I still did other stuff) for a month or two. I still feel the effects of that game-binge; I barely ever play now except after major updates or with weekly/spontaneous TF2 with DFC pals (a couple hours a week max). But every time a new major update comes around (class updates/Community updates), I start playing quite a bit again.
Having said that, the reverse is also true: TF2's weapon-release schedule (a flood in the second half of 2010 mainly thanks to the Polypack and Christmas updates (mainly the Christmas update; 13 weapons at once!)) has discouraged me from playing (I think because it starts feeling like it's the same old set of weapons since I just can't get the new weapons to drop). By the time each new major update comes, I still do not have many of the weapons from the previous major update (partly because I am not willing to go out of my way searching out trades with people that will trade reasonably, partly because I am one unlucky son of a gun; I am still missing 2 to 4 weapons from the Polypacks, and have less than half of the Christmas weapons, but I have many duplicates of old weapons).
It would be nice if there were specific achievements for every weapon to get them (sort of like there are for the Class updates) rather than having to depend on drops, trading, or crafting (which requires drops/trading anyway, as well as having to part with my virtual-hoarding tendencies).
Post by: Soulwynd on February 18, 2011, 12:08:01 am
I used to play a lot more, but with the summer, my computer has been overheating and so I haven't been able to play as much, plus I got busy with MNC.
Post by: Levi on February 18, 2011, 12:54:31 am
I eventually quit partly because of that and partly because I felt dirty playing an FPS where people could buy weapons that other people didn't have.
Post by: Soulwynd on February 18, 2011, 02:05:10 am
I feel more sorry for people who buy weapons/hats just to have them. I mean, they're ridiculously easy to get so they're just wasting money due to the lack of patience.
Now, if you buy them to support valve and TF2 then it's cool..
Just today, I played for 2 hours and got 3 weapons and one desc tag.
Post by: Derekristow on February 18, 2011, 02:46:18 am
Post by: The Scout on February 18, 2011, 05:53:42 am
Post by: Frajic on February 18, 2011, 09:54:29 am
Now, some more arguments against the common complaints:
1: Community and game state. The TF2 community is alive and well. There are still thousands of servers up and running, and people are having fun.
2: Items, Mann-conomy, etc. The new items don't unbalance the game. Just because you have some shiny, special item you won't suddenly play a lot better. However, it might fit your playstyle better, or you might have more fun with it, which is essentially why they're there. And no matter what items you have, or how skilled you are, the most important thing is a good team that has all the things you need(sentry-destroyer, harasser, damage-dealer, medic, engie w/buildings, etc).
2.1: And they give new players a lot of stuff to "unlock". New toys roughly every hour!
2.2: Lastly, I can't imagine there are many people who buy all their weapons, simply due to the fact they cost a shitton of money. And it just shortens the time until you inevitably find the item.
Now let's game and have fun.
Post by: Rex_Nex on February 18, 2011, 10:00:09 am
Post by: Siquo on February 18, 2011, 10:17:31 am
Is TF2 worth buying o.oYes.
I hardly ever buy games because they quickly bore me. Now I just get scared if I look at the amounts of playtime that went into TF2. I don't know what this game has cost me per hour... a quick calculation says about 10ct per hour. Which is a laughable amount to spend on any kind of entertainment. Even street performers will kick your ass if you pay them 10 cents after watching them for an hour.
Post by: Frajic on February 18, 2011, 10:24:40 am
That equates to 2 pence.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on February 18, 2011, 10:37:16 am
Post by: Soulwynd on February 18, 2011, 11:42:26 am
But wait til they do another free weekend, the price drops drastically. If you're that concerned in spending 20 dollars in a game.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on February 18, 2011, 11:44:45 am
Post by: Soulwynd on February 18, 2011, 11:48:22 am
And I just realized I have 900+ hours. I should do something special when I hit 1000 hours in TF2.
Post by: Shadowlord on February 18, 2011, 12:23:39 pm
Post by: The Doctor on February 18, 2011, 03:39:10 pm
Yup. TF2 and Portal are the only things worth it in the orange box.Buy a hat!
And I just realized I have 900+ hours. I should do something special when I hit 1000 hours in TF2.
Post by: Soulwynd on February 18, 2011, 04:28:56 pm
Maybe if you buy one for me? (http://cgi.ebay.com/TF2-Team-Fortress-2-Unusual-Pyromancer-hat-w-heart-/190503450779?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item2c5ae3f89b)
Post by: Strange guy on February 18, 2011, 05:48:49 pm
Anyway on the point of TF2 updates- I haven't liked all of them (ie the new menu from the mac update) but there's not anything big I can't just avoid. The balance isn't too bad, and the beta shows Valve are trying to fix it (though they appear to have given up on some weapons, aren't bothering with some badly designed ones and I can't agree with all their balance ideas) though I'm still not happy about the set hats, and the Mann Co store means they can't really remove that requirement. The store itself is badly overpriced, there was a short lived sale where like 5 hats ended up at reasonable prices, where I got a couple of them and also some map tokens (not too expensive and supports map makers) and the jumper weapons, which are cheap and I don't think they dropped then.
The new weapons do give new experiences, loadouts and strategy, so keep me more interested, but they still aren't too easy to get. I'm missing 5 of the new weapons (not including the rift ones) and I've played the game a lot- I imagine it can be off putting for new players especially when some are upgrades, and others allow subclasses.
Post by: Soulwynd on February 18, 2011, 05:57:47 pm
Post by: The Scout on February 18, 2011, 06:22:03 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on February 18, 2011, 06:26:35 pm
The soldier's set gets up 55% sentry resistance, 35% all resistance, and immunity to crits and mini-crits.Wait, what? The full set gives you 20% sentry resist and that's it. Where are you pulling the rest of those from? Unless you're talking about the Battalion's Backup, but that's a completely different thing that is temporary and doesn't even last that long. Next you're going to say that the medic is overpowered because it's completely invulnerable ::)
Post by: The Scout on February 18, 2011, 06:29:57 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on February 18, 2011, 06:37:51 pm
Post by: The Scout on February 18, 2011, 10:41:09 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on February 18, 2011, 11:47:10 pm
Not OP, just has no negative side effects.Except a lack of shotgun and one less rocket in the tube...
Makes the soldier alot less of a damage dealer.
Post by: Soulwynd on February 19, 2011, 12:18:13 am
That's enough negative effects to make me not really want to use it. Personally, I use the vanilla launcher, either the shotgun or the crits backpack (If the team actually works together), and the equalizer on defense or the one that gives +1 cap on attack.
Post by: Thexor on February 19, 2011, 01:52:02 am
The Banner and Backup are nice, but I'd never recommend taking one of them and the Black Box at the same time. Three rockets and no backup weapon? Good luck surviving long enough to charge your secondary! ::)
Post by: The Scout on February 19, 2011, 09:36:45 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 19, 2011, 01:31:41 pm
The Banner and Backup are nice, but I'd never recommend taking one of them and the Black Box at the same time. Three rockets and no backup weapon? Good luck surviving long enough to charge your secondary! ::)This is where I disagree. The Backup works wonderfully with the Black Box. All you have to do is pop in, take some damage then head back to spam rockets. You won't do much damage that that range, but you'll heal up enough to head back in and take some more damage to charge up the Backup. Otherwise you'll need a medic to make it work. And it's a support item, so charging in and dealing damage isn't the primary goal of it. One less rocket and being unable to kill some of the higher health classes isn't a pressing issue when you are hanging back and charging up your Backup.
The Banner yeah the normal one is nice as you do need to get in the fray to charge it up. Usually there is a medic there anyway, so healing isn't too pressing.
Black Box and Shotgun works well with being a wandering soldier, where you can never be sure where your next healing is coming from. You can always take potshots from a ledge and heal up for another jump or attack.
Post by: LASD on February 25, 2011, 04:14:26 am
It's a community map pack! (http://www.teamfortress.com/communitymappack/)
A lot of people have probably played Frontier already, but it's good and I'm glad to see it officialized. The ridable train also makes it a little bit different kind of payload.
P.S. The TF2 Team has now added 40 official maps after the game launched.
Post by: Frajic on February 25, 2011, 09:20:10 am
Post by: ToonyMan on February 25, 2011, 07:21:39 pm
Post by: Lumbajak on February 25, 2011, 09:15:31 pm
I was starting to miss Li'l Chew Chew.
Post by: LASD on March 11, 2011, 10:45:26 am
I really really don't know what to think.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 11, 2011, 11:11:31 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on March 11, 2011, 11:24:24 am
Post by: HLBeta on March 11, 2011, 11:25:38 am
All that aside, I'm somewhat dismayed by the sheer number of promotional items that have been popping up lately and the increasingly inflated recipes to craft them. I know Valve is being more openly mercenary about the game now, but this is just silly.
Post by: Strange guy on March 11, 2011, 04:48:26 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on March 11, 2011, 05:31:24 pm
It sucks when they make them exclusive.
Post by: Sowelu on March 11, 2011, 06:21:57 pm
I remember when you saw a guy of a certain class, and you knew what abilities he had.
Post by: Capntastic on March 11, 2011, 06:31:17 pm
This game is so weird now.
I remember when you saw a guy of a certain class, and you knew what abilities he had.
I've played maybe 15 hours in the last 3 months and I'm consistently awful at FPS games, and I know what abilities everyone has from a glance. The new content has never been that much of a game-changer, and the default items in skilled hands are always more potent than the variants. Besides Natascha.
Post by: The Scout on March 11, 2011, 06:54:14 pm
Sandman. You will die. Also, anyone know of a plugin that can make the Scout faster?This game is so weird now.
I remember when you saw a guy of a certain class, and you knew what abilities he had.
I've played maybe 15 hours in the last 3 months and I'm consistently awful at FPS games, and I know what abilities everyone has from a glance. The new content has never been that much of a game-changer, and the default items in skilled hands are always more potent than the variants. Besides Natascha.
Post by: Frajic on March 11, 2011, 07:02:03 pm
Sandman only works in 1v1. Otherwise you can back off... but you're right about it being a great boon with a mere tradeoff of 15 health.Sandman. You will die. Also, anyone know of a plugin that can make the Scout faster?This game is so weird now.
I remember when you saw a guy of a certain class, and you knew what abilities he had.
I've played maybe 15 hours in the last 3 months and I'm consistently awful at FPS games, and I know what abilities everyone has from a glance. The new content has never been that much of a game-changer, and the default items in skilled hands are always more potent than the variants. Besides Natascha.
Post by: dogstile on March 11, 2011, 07:05:06 pm
Post by: debvon on March 11, 2011, 07:31:36 pm
NEVER AGAIN.
Post by: Ampersand on March 11, 2011, 09:52:32 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on March 13, 2011, 12:59:22 am
Oh God I hope they do this. I hope it so much.
Post by: Thexor on March 13, 2011, 03:11:30 am
You know what? Since the katana has been given to the Soldier and Demoman and they can duel to the death with each other, since the Sniper has the Huntsman and since the Scout has the fan, Valve can officially recreate the Shogun 2 opening cinematic on the Medieval Map.
Oh God I hope they do this. I hope it so much.
You do realize that, since the Scout has the fan, he'd have to be the leader.
I'm... having a tough time seeing an army of samurai led by the Scout. :o
Post by: Jackrabbit on March 13, 2011, 05:28:43 am
Regardless, a solomn and serious Scout sending a Demoman to do battle is a hilarious image.
Also I just realized they both got the katana and can duel to the death because of the War! Update. Clever, Valve.
Post by: Blargityblarg on March 13, 2011, 07:35:50 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on March 14, 2011, 10:36:39 am
Post by: Puzzlemaker on March 14, 2011, 10:44:59 am
Post by: Metalax on March 14, 2011, 11:25:38 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on March 14, 2011, 01:44:45 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on March 14, 2011, 06:20:12 pm
I have to say the new fan is positively nasty in the hands of a scout who knows how to communicate with his team. Alternatively combined with the FAN when running around on their own. It also marks cloaked spies who are hit, although judging from past form that will be patched out in a later update.Jarate, milk, bleeding, and fire still mark a cloaked spy, so it's probably supposed to mark cloaked spies.
Post by: Soulwynd on March 14, 2011, 06:27:01 pm
The DR will cut off the initial effect, but you get remarked if you're hit again.
Post by: Soulwynd on March 17, 2011, 08:30:29 am
http://vimeo.com/21020148
Post by: PTTG?? on March 17, 2011, 10:50:06 am
Post by: Old-Man-Gator on March 17, 2011, 11:54:07 am
Post by: Frajic on March 17, 2011, 12:03:26 pm
Now soldiers have Eyelanders as well, the game is pretty much ruined. I mean more so than the cluster fuck that was the Polycount update.Could you say why new weapons ruin the game? Because they confuse you?
Post by: Soulwynd on March 17, 2011, 12:24:26 pm
Post by: Old-Man-Gator on March 17, 2011, 01:27:10 pm
Post by: Tyler6498 on March 17, 2011, 01:44:58 pm
That old argument everywhere you go.. There MUST be a reason, right?
I'll answer that.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Soulwynd on March 17, 2011, 03:19:03 pm
That old argument everywhere you go.. There MUST be a reason, right?
I'll answer that.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Personally, if it wasn't for the diversity and updates, I would have left TF2 a loooong time ago.
Post by: Jackrabbit on March 17, 2011, 03:22:37 pm
Post by: Thexor on March 17, 2011, 04:15:47 pm
Indeed. How many people still play the 360 version, by the way?
...hey, that's actually a good point. The XBox version is still mostly vanilla, isn't it? (I know Valve promised to port the updates once all the classes had their loot... but they seem to have been distracted by shiny
Next time I hear somebody whine about TF2 being 'ruined', I can just point them towards the console version!
Post by: Soulwynd on March 17, 2011, 04:25:58 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on March 18, 2011, 02:30:45 am
Indeed. How many people still play the 360 version, by the way?
...hey, that's actually a good point. The XBox version is still mostly vanilla, isn't it? (I know Valve promised to port the updates once all the classes had their loot... but they seem to have been distracted by shinyobjectshats. I vaguely remember them fixing (most of) the bugs, though.)
Next time I hear somebody whine about TF2 being 'ruined', I can just point them towards the console version!
But again, how many people play it? I legitimately don't know, but I'm guessing not many.
Also, the reason as far as I've heard for the lack of ports is Microsoft's insistence they charge for the updates and Valve's refusal.
Post by: dogstile on March 18, 2011, 08:52:05 am
Indeed. How many people still play the 360 version, by the way?
...hey, that's actually a good point. The XBox version is still mostly vanilla, isn't it? (I know Valve promised to port the updates once all the classes had their loot... but they seem to have been distracted by shinyobjectshats. I vaguely remember them fixing (most of) the bugs, though.)
Next time I hear somebody whine about TF2 being 'ruined', I can just point them towards the console version!
But again, how many people play it? I legitimately don't know, but I'm guessing not many.
Also, the reason as far as I've heard for the lack of ports is Microsoft's insistence they charge for the updates and Valve's refusal.
Just checked. Games are still full there
Post by: Mr.Person on March 18, 2011, 11:57:06 am
Post by: Thexor on March 18, 2011, 01:29:26 pm
The 360 got a few updates. I'm not sure which ones, but I think it's mostly bugfixes and some of the maps. The PS3 version is still just as it was at launch.
Hence why Valve basically apologized to PS3 owners. I believe their statement was something to the effect of, "Well, we screwed up, and we have no way to patch your console. But hey, four out of five games in the Orange Box ain't bad, right?" :P
Post by: Jackrabbit on March 18, 2011, 05:50:37 pm
Indeed. How many people still play the 360 version, by the way?
...hey, that's actually a good point. The XBox version is still mostly vanilla, isn't it? (I know Valve promised to port the updates once all the classes had their loot... but they seem to have been distracted by shinyobjectshats. I vaguely remember them fixing (most of) the bugs, though.)
Next time I hear somebody whine about TF2 being 'ruined', I can just point them towards the console version!
But again, how many people play it? I legitimately don't know, but I'm guessing not many.
Also, the reason as far as I've heard for the lack of ports is Microsoft's insistence they charge for the updates and Valve's refusal.
Just checked. Games are still full there
Good to know there's an option for people who hated some of the updates and refuse to play anymore because of it.
Which is beyond me. Have you seen that Saxton Hale gamemod? Hilarious.
Post by: The Scout on March 18, 2011, 08:03:19 pm
Post by: Mephisto on March 20, 2011, 01:45:30 am
Post by: Old-Man-Gator on March 21, 2011, 12:41:45 pm
You think you are bad at it, then you play with or against someone worse.
I think you're actually better off getting owned by people who are better than you in order to learn things.
I mean how else are you going to practice riding Middies as a Sniper on Upwards?
Post by: HLBeta on March 21, 2011, 01:31:02 pm
I'm horrible at this game. For some reason, it's very fun though.Same here. Some days I'm convinced my weapons do 1/2 standard damage and on other days I play soldier for easy kills. No matter what, I'm having fun the whole time.
Post by: kilakan on March 21, 2011, 02:49:05 pm
Post by: Mephisto on March 21, 2011, 04:46:42 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on March 21, 2011, 05:51:00 pm
Anyone want some supply crates? I've got one 10-series and one 11-series. I have no desire to pay for anything in a game I've already paid for, so I'm giving/trading them away.I think that some people will trade a key for four crates.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on March 21, 2011, 09:30:13 pm
Post by: Mephisto on March 21, 2011, 10:13:27 pm
It's facing off against five sentries on every map along with Huntsmen and Soldiers that have been playing nonstop for the past two years among other things that I just can't get happy with. I'm sick of quitting TF2 in frustration. I'm supposed to be having fun, dangit! This is across multiple servers, by the way.
From the server I was just on: "Really? You let a <class1> and a <class2> break into the base and steal the intelligence?" No shit. I just started playing seriously a few days ago. Of course, the guy had voice chat so I could hear it exactly how he meant it.
If you want to have fun in a place where skill doesn't matter quite so much, try the CriticalSandvich randomizer servers. You get some stupid combinations that don't work sometimes, but then again so do the players that have no lives outside of TF2.
Post by: Sowelu on March 22, 2011, 01:14:28 pm
And servers that have 'noob' in the name are always full of people trying to take advantage of the poor newbies.
Post by: Metalax on March 24, 2011, 10:01:00 am
In case you haven't seen this yet, tf2 are doing a limited edition set of hats with the sales going to the Japanese disaster relief fund.
Post by: Cecilff2 on March 24, 2011, 10:11:57 am
Anyone want some supply crates? I've got one 10-series and one 11-series. I have no desire to pay for anything in a game I've already paid for, so I'm giving/trading them away.I think that some people will trade a key for four crates.
Who are these people? I have like at least 10 keys worth of crates sitting in my inventory for these
Post by: Soulwynd on March 24, 2011, 12:47:01 pm
One of the hats is, of course, 99 bucks.
Post by: Thexor on March 24, 2011, 02:55:44 pm
They made 3 hats and a couple noise makers for Japan relief fund. All the money, after taxes, goes to the red cross.
One of the hats is, of course, 99 bucks.
Don't forget, they're non-tradeable. Yep, that means all those "OMG SPESHUL HATS MUST HAVEZ" people will be shelling out ~$125. Valve just forced all those assholes to make a huge donation to the Red Cross. ;D
Post by: Soulwynd on March 24, 2011, 04:06:09 pm
It's a good way to donate and yet get something back.
Global Agenda is doing something similar right now as well.
Post by: Darion on March 24, 2011, 05:17:53 pm
I have a Geforce 8500 gt and Core 2 Duo 7500 2.9ghz...
And doesn't makes difference if the textures are high or low.
Post by: Soulwynd on March 24, 2011, 07:19:48 pm
Post by: Thexor on March 24, 2011, 07:26:50 pm
I just bought and downloaded the game, i have all the reqs to run the game...but i'm getting 20 fps..do anyone know why?
I have a Geforce 8500 gt and Core 2 Duo 7500 2.9ghz...
And doesn't makes difference if the textures are high or low.
...geez, I'm fairly certain that's the graphics card *I* used to run TF2 at (and I achieved a high of ~15 FPS, wewt!).
I upgraded to a newer card when I started IT work in an office, and the generic video cards the company had bought as failure replacements were 8700s. The idea of me installing a superior video card into a random office worker's PC so he could surf the web and fiddle with Excel was what finally convinced me to upgrade. :o
(Having money to burn after working a high-paying IT job didn't hurt with the investment, either!)
But yeah, you can always try DX8, assuming you don't mind taking a huge hit to graphics. Alternately, I can say from experience that 20 FPS is still manageable - it's certainly sub-par, but it's not unplayable.
Post by: Satarus on March 25, 2011, 08:16:07 am
Post by: Sowelu on March 29, 2011, 08:06:31 pm
Post by: Nilocy on March 29, 2011, 11:02:02 pm
Good fun with just DF like graphics style.
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrEXx8DxsSI&feature=related do you guys remember this? I want this to happen again.
Any suggestions for how to make people get back on the server?
Post by: Charmander on March 30, 2011, 12:48:46 pm
The threat of broken kneecaps?
I know I've been bad for getting free time to play, really. If we can get dudes together for some good ol' manshooting and hatwearing over the next few days, I'd certainly join in. Assuming my internet doesn't go ass-over-tit.
Post by: Nilocy on March 30, 2011, 12:55:03 pm
Post by: Mephisto on March 30, 2011, 04:53:23 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on March 30, 2011, 06:02:30 pm
Post by: Mephisto on March 30, 2011, 06:20:35 pm
Manage Items. Click the "Stat" tab at the top. Along the right side is the bar graph that shows amount of time played and point totals. At the bottom is a reset button.
On that note, I'm not doing terrible as a sniper. At least, compared to the people I was playing with. I'm more of a helper, Jarate-ing enemies and letting teammates get kills. I seem to have improved a bit since getting the Huntsman.
Post by: Ze Spy on April 03, 2011, 01:21:25 am
I think i know who that is :
(http://www.lowpings.net/gamingnews/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/third-sniper-poster.png)
Post by: Shadowlord on April 03, 2011, 04:12:21 am
(http://content.screencast.com/users/Trafalgar/folders/Jing/media/4633df70-da40-4007-b02a-c16ced1dcc8b/2011-04-03_0504.png) (http://screencast.com/t/5e8t68SpgX)
Here's your scopeless sniper rifle. There's the enemy. Now charge forward and shoot them in the face! (Now imagine if you had a bayonet...)
Post by: Mr.Person on April 03, 2011, 07:33:54 am
Let me put it this way. Before Valve announced the hats for charity thing, I made a joke that Valve would sell charity hats. And then like two days later they start selling charity hats.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 03, 2011, 11:22:31 am
People donated and yet got something back.
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 03, 2011, 07:36:51 pm
Post by: Old-Man-Gator on April 04, 2011, 02:32:25 pm
I think you should get an achievement for beating up two zatoichi dorks with a shovel. At the same time.
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 04, 2011, 04:35:32 pm
But yeah, when I finally get the freaking Eyelander I'll be using that in normal modes.
Post by: Mephisto on April 04, 2011, 04:37:52 pm
RE: previous post:
I think "dork" in this instance means "one who cannot use the zatoichi properly"
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 05, 2011, 03:05:00 am
Post by: The Scout on April 05, 2011, 05:08:36 am
Post by: Metalax on April 05, 2011, 05:21:22 pm
Code: [Select]
Team Fortress 2
- [ restricted ]Something is afoot.
Post by: Thexor on April 05, 2011, 05:26:33 pm
hmmm.. a 3.7mb patch just came out and the patch notes readsCode: [Select]Team Fortress 2
- [ restricted ]
Something is afoot.
Hrrrm... the SPUF certainly thinks something is up. Of course, the start of the rumours is on a different forum (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1822275) - it's not like I'd expect the SPUF to come up with a theory that was simultaneously coherent and plausible on their own - but it certainly sounds... interesting.
There's also the rumour of Portal 2 pre-order content being added. And there's the potato hat, which was supposed to be awarded today - but if this was the update adding the potato hat, wouldn't Valve have just said so?
Post by: Metalax on April 05, 2011, 05:32:00 pm
edit: and apparently a number of people are reporting that promotional items have disappeared from their accounts.
Post by: MagmaDeath on April 06, 2011, 01:02:47 am
Which is horribly textured, and generic.
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 06, 2011, 02:55:21 am
Nah. Although I wouldn't put that past Valve, not by a long shot.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 06, 2011, 07:48:32 am
And by update he means the team came up with more hats.
Post by: Metalax on April 07, 2011, 06:14:56 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=5244&p=1 (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=5244&p=1)
Post by: Mephisto on April 07, 2011, 06:17:11 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on April 07, 2011, 06:23:11 pm
Post by: umiman on April 07, 2011, 07:54:46 pm
Post by: Old-Man-Gator on April 08, 2011, 04:30:55 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 08, 2011, 04:37:10 am
Am I in the minority for not particularly giving a rat's ass about hats? I wouldn't call this an update if that's all they did.
Yeah, I don't give a toss about hats. But this extends to the fact that hats are a thing. I don't care that hats are a thing, the game's still fun.
Post by: Duuvian on April 08, 2011, 04:43:45 am
Post by: LASD on April 15, 2011, 04:57:01 am
Check it out. (http://www.teamfortress.com/hatless/)
Post by: Frajic on April 15, 2011, 05:58:51 am
Also, if you didn't bother sifting all the way through the update notes, there's a portal on the bottom of the page which leads you to this (http://www.teamfortress.com/companioncubepin/) page. You get the companion cube pin for preordering Portal 2. Who would've known!
Post by: dragonshardz on April 15, 2011, 06:33:41 am
Cool dealy bits aside, I'm more interested in amassing a collection of weaponry than hats at the moment.
Post by: Ze Spy on April 15, 2011, 07:14:47 am
Post by: Myroc on April 15, 2011, 07:21:24 am
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Backburner:o
* Removed the restriction on airblast
* Ammo cost increased 150% (4 blasts at full ammo)
* Damage bonus reduced to 10% (from 15%)
Holy crap. I actually want to use the blasted thing for once.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 15, 2011, 07:28:13 am
Hatless update? MORE LIKE SHITTY UPDATE
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Replaced the no-crit attribute with -25% damage on the following:
The Powerjack (also added +20% melee vulnerability)
Mind you this was right after fixing a glitch where people would get the heal effect from any weapon kill.
Piece of shit now.
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FlaregunOh fuck time to break that thing out again.
* Flares always crit burning targets, regardless of range
Post by: Strange guy on April 15, 2011, 08:57:35 am
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Replaced the no-crit attribute with -25% damage on the following:
* The Eyelander, The Powerjack (also added +20% melee vulnerability)
* The Horseless Headless Horseman's Headtaker, The Claidheamohmor
Powerjack doesn't need a nerf. Now the claymore is even more useless, because if you use it with the targe charge like you are meant to it does less damage. You can also gain eyelanders kill bonus randomly. Southern Hospitality is fine like this I guess, and the gunslinger has gone from being weaker than normal melee for no reason in one way to another so I'm less worried about them.
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Loch-n-Load
* Damage increased by 10%
One hitting low health classes with no damage falloff? What a great idea!
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Equalizer
* Suppress the medic call effect while active
It's sensible to have the equalizer out while trying to find a medic. So now they've stopped it.
Edit: Caber crits don't affect explosion, so I'm fine with them then. Also apparently the vita-saw got the beta affect of seeing enemies health. I'm not sure if that should go in at all, and if it does I would have suggested the poor useless bonesaw gets it.
Post by: Frajic on April 15, 2011, 10:42:27 am
Do you have any idea how huge a tradeoff it is to lose half the clip and the bounce of the grenade launcher? It desperately needed this buff.QuoteLoch-n-Load
* Damage increased by 10%
One hitting low health classes with no damage falloff? What a great idea!
As for the other stuff... eh, I guess everyone has their opinions. Mine isn't strong enough to argue against yours at the moment.
Post by: Strange guy on April 15, 2011, 11:00:12 am
Post by: Siquo on April 15, 2011, 12:39:10 pm
Post by: The Scout on April 15, 2011, 04:46:52 pm
Post by: Siquo on April 15, 2011, 05:38:15 pm
Post by: lordcooper on April 15, 2011, 07:03:19 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 15, 2011, 07:17:16 pm
Valve just understands how to market something. You don't have to buy o - oh look you just bought twenty whelp
Post by: lordcooper on April 15, 2011, 07:26:01 pm
Anyways, what's a good class for noobs?
Post by: The Scout on April 15, 2011, 07:30:14 pm
Eh, I guess. People are weird.Agaisnt people? Take your pick. Agaisnt bots? Spy, Soldier, Demoman, Sniper.
Anyways, what's a good class for noobs?
Post by: Bitoru on April 15, 2011, 07:36:18 pm
Post by: lordcooper on April 15, 2011, 08:38:44 pm
Beats me why I need to connect to a server for offline practice though ???
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 15, 2011, 08:50:43 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on April 15, 2011, 08:56:57 pm
Post by: The Scout on April 15, 2011, 09:16:26 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 15, 2011, 10:04:07 pm
You think the Chargin' Targe makes it good? Try the sticky jumper, you are death from above with that combo.Maybe when I get the hang of it. Currently looking for a Loch N' Load.
Post by: The Scout on April 15, 2011, 10:06:03 pm
Post by: lordcooper on April 15, 2011, 10:06:38 pm
Also, how to get items and stuffz?
Post by: The Scout on April 15, 2011, 10:07:35 pm
DF server seems to be running an outdated version.Drop, achievements, crafting.
Also, how to get items and stuffz?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 16, 2011, 12:15:41 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 16, 2011, 12:18:38 am
The Direct Hit should not be that good.
Post by: The Scout on April 16, 2011, 08:26:28 am
Whenever I want to use one of the precision weapons I'm trash at it. Then I switch to another one and am a god with it.Direct Hit normally sucks for me. It's crits suck, only damages 1-2 people, and is basicly only good for juggling people.
The Direct Hit should not be that good.
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 16, 2011, 05:34:32 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 16, 2011, 05:36:21 pm
Finally got a headset. Someone give me a rundown so other gamers don't catch my impotent squeals of rage when I get backstabbed. There's a button to use your mic, right?Yes. You can change it to on-button talking through the Options menu. Just go to Voice.
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 16, 2011, 05:41:52 pm
Post by: lordcooper on April 16, 2011, 05:44:34 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 16, 2011, 08:18:11 pm
Lemme try.
Post by: Thexor on April 17, 2011, 01:59:00 am
Right-o. That was probably easy enough to work out on my own but "can you hear me now?" and random background noises are two things I hate hearing in matches.
Protip: Console command "voice loopback 1". Causes the server to send you your own mic chat - you'll hear it just like everyone else on the server. Great for checking volume, making sure it's on, etc.
Second protip: Turn it off ("voice loopback 0") once you've checked that you're audible. Seriously, hearing your own voice with a half-second delay is... freaky. :o
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 17, 2011, 03:16:43 am
Post by: kilakan on April 17, 2011, 11:53:34 am
Post by: lordcooper on April 17, 2011, 01:16:03 pm
1. Do they actually provide a benefit, or are they merely aesthetic?
2. What are they worth?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 17, 2011, 01:39:12 pm
2. Not sure. I'd put the Shogun hats at arouuund 3 refined.
Post by: Metalax on April 17, 2011, 01:51:06 pm
Ya we have a server, but some bloody hacker keeps trolling it and making it unplayable..
Yeah unfortunately there is no admin stuff at the moments so more difficult to ban them.
Post by: lordcooper on April 17, 2011, 02:05:37 pm
2. Not sure. I'd put the Shogun hats at arouuund 3 refined.
I honestly have no idea what that means :o
The full set is going for £20 in the store, so I'm pushing for CS:S at £13. Need the content for Gmod.
Post by: kilakan on April 17, 2011, 02:13:40 pm
Post by: The Doctor on April 17, 2011, 03:28:01 pm
I can't stand not having it on anymore.
Second protip: Turn it off ("voice loopback 0") once you've checked that you're audible. Seriously, hearing your own voice with a half-second delay is... freaky. :o
Post by: lordcooper on April 17, 2011, 07:55:18 pm
I'm getting offers far outweighing the value of my items (AFAIK)
Post by: umiman on April 17, 2011, 08:14:16 pm
Post by: lordcooper on April 17, 2011, 08:37:37 pm
For my genuine connivers kunai: Force-a-Nature, Axtinguisher,candy cane, buff banner, bushwaka, and a desc. tag
For my genuine half-zatoichi: Backscratcher, Sydney Sleeper, Bushwacka, Jarate, Battalions Backup and a replacement Zatoichi
For my genuine conchero and genuine fan o war: the jag, darwins danger shield, the ullapool caber, l'etranger, the degreaser and a replacement conchero
For my four genuine shogun hats: Ol'Snaggletooth, the milkman, grenadier's softcap, foster's facade, stockbrokers scarf, and familiar fez
I really, really don't see why people would agree to this.
Post by: Thexor on April 17, 2011, 08:38:42 pm
Why do people want 'Genuine' items so much?
I'm getting offers far outweighing the value of my items (AFAIK)
Because, in a world where the only items of any value are cosmetic items, and where the variation available in items is extremely limited, a tiny, insignificant, yet (supposedly) rare cosmetic attribute suddenly becomes the only possible quality the economy can pursue.
Or, to put it another way: because TF2 traders are morons. :P The idea that I could get more for my Max's Head than I paid for Sam & Max in the first place is utterly hilarious, given that the promo items were at best a minor plus compared to the game I was getting.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 17, 2011, 10:33:24 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on April 18, 2011, 06:39:02 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 18, 2011, 07:50:22 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on April 18, 2011, 08:47:53 pm
Post by: Siquo on April 19, 2011, 05:06:58 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 19, 2011, 06:27:45 am
I found a name tag, but don't know what to name. I don't really play favourites...That is the single reason I'm not attaching blind puns to absolutely everything. No single item seems worthy of such names unless you can come up with a good one for a specific weapon.
Post by: The Scout on April 19, 2011, 09:55:38 am
Post by: Siquo on April 19, 2011, 10:02:42 am
I switch classes and their weapons continuously, even during a single round, depending on the needs of the team and what I feel like playing.
So even if I'm able to choose my favourite weapon, I have to make up a really good name for it as well. *sigh* This game is so hard.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 19, 2011, 10:05:44 am
It takes absolute ages to pull out the axe though.
Post by: Siquo on April 19, 2011, 10:07:34 am
My god I didn't know how much I missed more afterburn and the wonderful sound of backcrits.Yep, this. I think I'm just going to drop the axe for the rake.
It takes absolute ages to pull out the axe though.
Post by: The Scout on April 19, 2011, 10:08:57 am
Post by: Siquo on April 19, 2011, 10:31:08 am
Choices, choices.
Post by: The Doctor on April 19, 2011, 01:33:21 pm
As in you got blood on it.
Post by: Thexor on April 19, 2011, 01:35:35 pm
I'm thinking of naming my spy knife "My Suit."
As in you got blood on it.
If you ever find a description tag, that'd work perfectly. ;)
Post by: lordcooper on April 19, 2011, 02:01:01 pm
I'm thinking of naming my spy knife "My Suit."
As in you got blood on it.
If you ever find a description tag, that'd work perfectly. ;)
I'll donate one for that.
Post by: Metalax on April 19, 2011, 07:09:18 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=5325&p=1 (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=5325&p=1)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 19, 2011, 07:10:26 pm
The TF2 one is Robot House if you know what I mean.
Post by: Enzo on April 19, 2011, 07:15:49 pm
TF2 team manages to add hats to other games.
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=5325&p=1 (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=5325&p=1)
Hey, my Beanie just got slightly less lame! Yessssss
Post by: Strange guy on April 19, 2011, 07:30:45 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 19, 2011, 07:51:35 pm
Lots of people complaining about the backburner, which I have had a chance to play with.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Bdthemag on April 19, 2011, 08:17:11 pm
Backpack-http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198021840056
Post by: The Scout on April 19, 2011, 08:52:24 pm
Magma only gets you from teh back, cause your running from it.
Or something to that degree.
Post by: The Doctor on April 19, 2011, 09:17:11 pm
Really? ADD ME BITCH doct0rzI'm thinking of naming my spy knife "My Suit."
As in you got blood on it.
If you ever find a description tag, that'd work perfectly. ;)
I'll donate one for that.
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 23, 2011, 05:22:28 am
Post by: lordcooper on April 23, 2011, 05:32:57 am
Really? ADD ME BITCH doct0rzI'm thinking of naming my spy knife "My Suit."
As in you got blood on it.
If you ever find a description tag, that'd work perfectly. ;)
I'll donate one for that.
The Dispentry?
Post by: HLBeta on April 23, 2011, 07:26:25 am
Ok the person who can give me the best Dwarf Fortress or LCS style name for any of the items in my backpack will recieve either a Non Vintage Hound Dog or a Non Vintage Football helmet.
Backpack-http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198021840056
Perhaps you could name one of your masks the psychoanalyst's prop or the freedom fighter's facade?
Post by: Osmosis Jones on April 23, 2011, 09:23:44 am
Mackerel = Unholy Carp
Homewrecker = Hammerer's Justice or =<+Silver War Hammer+>=
Post by: Frajic on April 23, 2011, 10:29:31 am
Mackerel = Unholy CarpI approve of this.
Homewrecker = ☼Silver War Hammer☼
Post by: The Doctor on April 23, 2011, 12:18:52 pm
Post by: Bormok, God of Mud on April 23, 2011, 01:18:53 pm
Iron curtain = The crossbow.Brilliant.
Mackerel = Unholy Carp
Homewrecker = Hammerer's Justice or =<+Silver War Hammer+>=
Post by: Thexor on April 23, 2011, 02:57:40 pm
Iron curtain = The crossbow.
Mackerel = Unholy Carp
Homewrecker = Hammerer's Justice or =<+Silver War Hammer+>=
Oh come on, this many DF suggestions and nobody gave a name for the Equalizer? (Of course, he doesn't have an Equalizer, but we can work on that. :P )
Post by: Bitoru on April 23, 2011, 03:34:55 pm
Mackerel = Zombie Carp / Silver Figurine of a Carp
Homewrecker = Goblin Golf Club / Elephant Launcher
Kritzkrieg = Liberal Love Therapy
Crit-a-Cola = Canned Martial Trance / Berserk Beverage
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 23, 2011, 04:32:57 pm
Homewrecker/Powerjack - "Dwarf Diplomacy"
Flamethrower/Backburner/Degreaser - "Your Elf Here" or "Elven Trade Agreement"
Post by: dragonshardz on April 24, 2011, 01:57:49 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 24, 2011, 02:04:59 am
Does anyone have a good DF-related description and name for an Iron Curtain, and/or a spare nametag?Iron Floodgate.
I just came up with that and it's like past midnight why am I even trying
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 24, 2011, 03:33:51 am
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 24, 2011, 03:49:40 am
But I strongly support ☼Iron Crossbow☼ for the Iron Curtain.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 24, 2011, 10:44:09 am
Post by: The Doctor on April 24, 2011, 10:58:50 am
Post by: kilakan on April 24, 2011, 11:48:33 am
Post by: Soulwynd on April 24, 2011, 12:33:04 pm
It creates !!Elf!!s. (Or !!Elves!! if you prefer)
Post by: The Scout on April 24, 2011, 04:54:49 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 24, 2011, 07:02:28 pm
I have a combo.
Any pyro hat - "Dungeon Master"
Backburner - "Tame Dragon" Described: "!!Elf!!"
Post by: Siquo on April 25, 2011, 03:26:07 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on April 25, 2011, 03:27:17 pm
Okay okay.That combo would be awesome for the pyromancer skull :D
I have a combo.
Any pyro hat - "Dungeon Master"
Backburner - "Tame Dragon" Described: "!!Elf!!"
Post by: jester on April 26, 2011, 11:02:12 am
Gunslinger: "Pet Cat" desc: kittens are gonna bring down the fortress (i love a bit of mini sentry spam)
Engi shottie: "If it aint a dwarf it gets a bullet"
pick a hat, paint it yellow and call it the orthoclase avenger.
Natasha: Tantrum spiral. (maybe sasha now with the nerfs on natasha, whatever you can cause more rage with)
Any of the melee weapons you can make crit easily/are very badass (bushwacka, axetinguisher, spy knife, equalizer, caber) "HAMMER OF ARMOK"
Medguns: Elf tallow soap dispenser, All elves behind, all dwarves in front.
Equlizer +Steel Pick+, desc: 'prepare to be struck down'
Fists of steel: HEAVY IS BRONZE COLLOSUS. Desc: I want your socks
Nade launcher/loch and load: Stone fall trap
Post by: ExKirby on April 26, 2011, 02:17:08 pm
So basically, if you see a guy called [DERPinator]ExKirby whacking every whackable thing in sight, that'll be me.
Post by: Shadowlord on April 26, 2011, 02:24:48 pm
Post by: ExKirby on April 26, 2011, 04:10:40 pm
Seems like just about every server I join is full of bots nowadays.Bots with Black Boxes and Scottish Resistances and Your Eternal Rewards...
Oh god the Your Eternal Rewards...
Post by: PTTG?? on April 26, 2011, 04:36:14 pm
Post by: Mr.Person on April 26, 2011, 05:59:02 pm
How do you make bots use unlockables?
They can't.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 26, 2011, 07:34:30 pm
Presumably in a modded server, like Saxton Hale mode, where stats are not recorded.How do you make bots use unlockables?They can't.
Post by: ExKirby on April 28, 2011, 03:24:12 pm
I'm also getting better at Scout as well. On Hightower, I helped my team push our payload up the first hill like a boss. Most of this was hiding behind it, but still... anyway, we got it to the lift, but were having some difficulties getting it up. By that time, the enemy had their payload on the lift, and we were at a stalemate. Then, as if divine intervention hit, I was autoballanced on to the opposing side. Some snipes, turrets and demomen later, me and an Engineer pulled the payload to the top. It was amazing.
Post by: Enzo on April 28, 2011, 04:30:50 pm
I don't think I've used the rifle since I got the huntsman. Arrow kills are just so much more satisfying.
Post by: Bdthemag on April 28, 2011, 05:35:10 pm
On the subject of random stories and huntsman: I am a huntsman sniping god. Last night I was on doublecross, a scout (who was dominating me) ran down the stairs outside my base. I followed him and he was running under the bridge back towards his side. I shot an arrow from the stairs, through the gaps in the underside of the bridge, and pinned him by his head to his sewer entrance. I squee'd.You do know the huntsman has messed up hit boxes right?
I don't think I've used the rifle since I got the huntsman. Arrow kills are just so much more satisfying.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 28, 2011, 05:44:51 pm
You do know the huntsman had messed up hit boxes right?They fixed that a while ago.
Post by: Siquo on April 28, 2011, 05:46:27 pm
Personally I went back to the rifle, and been playing sniper for a bit when the map and the team allows it. I'm getting better at headshots, but often don't have the patience to let it charge up. It's more satisfying to mow down your foes as a heavy, though, in terms of kills per minute.
Post by: Bdthemag on April 28, 2011, 05:51:29 pm
They did? Well I still hate it.You do know the huntsman had messed up hit boxes right?They fixed that a while ago.
Post by: Soulwynd on April 28, 2011, 06:27:37 pm
Yeah. It takes some skill to use effectively now.They did? Well I still hate it.You do know the huntsman had messed up hit boxes right?They fixed that a while ago.
Of course, the Huntspam complaint is still a valid one, but that can be said about the demoman and soldier as well.
Post by: Shadowlord on April 28, 2011, 08:01:13 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on April 28, 2011, 08:31:58 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on April 29, 2011, 01:18:59 am
I move to ammend that said musket be named the "minuteman" and, like the missile, uses radioactive ammo for special effect.
Post by: dragonshardz on April 29, 2011, 12:33:11 pm
AYE!
Post by: Cajoes on April 29, 2011, 01:13:45 pm
edit: Muskets and blunderbusses.
Post by: Mephisto on April 29, 2011, 01:15:25 pm
This reminds me: Mount & Blade: Fire and sword (or whatever) got TF2 hats on preordering. ... Muskets would be pretty sweet too though.
Crossposted from the Steam Sales thread:
If you're a lover of TF2 hats, buying the complete pack seems to not give the hats to you. People have gotten them instantly by preordering alone. I and others who bought the complete pack haven't received squat despite actually preordering the game.
Meh. The missing hats don't bother me. It's not receiving everything I was told I would receive that bothers me. Receiving everything you paid for is a good thing.
Post by: Bdthemag on April 29, 2011, 03:40:00 pm
Post by: The Scout on April 29, 2011, 03:45:07 pm
The musket which will now be called the Minuteman could be a slow projectile but do a good amount of damage, but every shot you have to reload. I can imagine two armies of soldiers lining up and marching towards eachother with them.Like a one shot rocket? Wouldn't that belong in the primary slot?
Post by: Soulwynd on April 29, 2011, 03:46:30 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on April 29, 2011, 03:47:03 pm
Well either as a primary or a secondary, either one is fine I just thought you guy's assumed it was a primary.The musket which will now be called the Minuteman could be a slow projectile but do a good amount of damage, but every shot you have to reload. I can imagine two armies of soldiers lining up and marching towards eachother with them.Like a one shot rocket? Wouldn't that belong in the primary slot?
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 29, 2011, 07:56:43 pm
The musket which will now be called the Minuteman could be a slow projectile but do a good amount of damage, but every shot you have to reload. I can imagine two armies of soldiers lining up and marching towards eachother with them.One shot and reload? That, to me, would necessitate it being really powerful, which would mean long reloads. The only extremely low clip weapon I'm not against is the Force A' Nature. As Tom Francis said, "Reloading all the damn time is the worst part of being a soldier and dying in one hit is the worst part about fighting one. Let's not exacerbate either."
Post by: The Scout on April 29, 2011, 08:02:24 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 29, 2011, 09:11:57 pm
Soldier also got a rocket launcher and shotgun that work better if you have a medic healing you, and the rocket launcher hurts you for 10 damage on hit. Valve is testing out some interesting concepts here, but they should change the powerup from medic healing to a few seconds after any healing. I would probably use that shotgun if it worked on any healing.
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 30, 2011, 04:57:08 pm
Maybe larger clip, less powerful. Would be awesome to just run up and blast away.Then it's just a reskinned shotgun with one bullet per shot instead of several.
Post by: The Scout on April 30, 2011, 06:39:53 pm
Area of Effect. Would make it easier to bounce someone, and to deal with chargin demos.Maybe larger clip, less powerful. Would be awesome to just run up and blast away.Then it's just a reskinned shotgun with one bullet per shot instead of several.
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 30, 2011, 06:46:55 pm
Post by: The Scout on April 30, 2011, 06:53:50 pm
Which makes it a less damaging rocket launcher and - assuming it fires faster - makes soldiers more annoying to fight. I'm just not seeing it. I know I'm being Mister Negative here but the best new weapons give a class a new and interesting role or more tactical options, it doesn't just give you slightly inferior versions of a weapon they already have.Cause he needs a stun rocket. :P It'd make soldiers a little more bearable. He'll be able to pop certain classes up easier, but do less damage. And heavies don't give a damn about it.
Post by: Bdthemag on April 30, 2011, 07:02:07 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 30, 2011, 07:08:24 pm
Ah, I see. I'm still not in favor but the fact that the Sandman exists means that it's not an unprecedented idea.Which makes it a less damaging rocket launcher and - assuming it fires faster - makes soldiers more annoying to fight. I'm just not seeing it. I know I'm being Mister Negative here but the best new weapons give a class a new and interesting role or more tactical options, it doesn't just give you slightly inferior versions of a weapon they already have.Cause he needs a stun rocket. :P It'd make soldiers a little more bearable. He'll be able to pop certain classes up easier, but do less damage. And heavies don't give a damn about it.
I hate stunlocks, personally. Although, to be less than negative, I'd suggest it take the place of his primary slot, because the soldier is fast becoming a great support/assault class and this combined with a buff secondary (for extra support) or a shotgun (so he's a little better defended) is something I could see working out.
Post by: The Scout on April 30, 2011, 07:12:27 pm
Post by: Sensei on April 30, 2011, 11:33:21 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 30, 2011, 11:35:35 pm
What if we replaced Soldier's Primary slot...
With a bowie knife.
Post by: The Scout on April 30, 2011, 11:42:10 pm
Okay, no waitIt'd have to be powerful as fuck. And give him alot of buffs, since it removes basicly his main way to do damage.
What if we replaced Soldier's Primary slot...
With a bowie knife.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on April 30, 2011, 11:50:04 pm
Whenever I play Solly it's primarily with the Shotgun and Equaliser/Pain Train anyways. I hardly ever use the Rocket Launcher for more than rocket jumping.Okay, no waitIt'd have to be powerful as fuck. And give him alot of buffs, since it removes basicly his main way to do damage.
What if we replaced Soldier's Primary slot...
With a bowie knife.
However, I'd like to see the Bowie Knife give him BLOODRAGE.
The meter is filled by KILLING PEOPLE.
When the meter is full, the Soldier's movement speed is that of the Medic. AND HE YELLS WHEN HE ATTACKS.
Oh and I guess the knife would do more damage than the Shovel???
I dunno I'm just making this up as I go.
Post by: ECrownofFire on April 30, 2011, 11:51:05 pm
Post by: The Scout on April 30, 2011, 11:58:03 pm
Scout needs a weapon called something to the effect of "The Annoying Fly". It'd be a giant flyswatter, and it would increase the Scout's movement speed on hit. For a trade-off, probably just reduced damage, or make him unable to stop moving while under the effect. Oh, and it should probably make a buzzing sound too...Yes. Just yes.
Post by: Sensei on May 01, 2011, 12:02:56 am
:P
Post by: Bdthemag on May 01, 2011, 12:56:46 am
Post by: The Scout on May 01, 2011, 01:03:57 am
Guy's the heavy needs a new minigun that freezes scouts to the ground when they are hit, most scouts suck anyways am I right?So they can't jump? At a cost of 50% less damage. :3
Post by: tomas1297 on May 01, 2011, 01:31:40 am
Seriously, +80% damage, at the cost of being slower, for the class that needs speed LEAST? I tried it, and felt no difference in speed, but my enemies died a lot faster.
Also, the backburner. Nuff' said.
Post by: The Scout on May 01, 2011, 01:45:58 am
We have a minigun that slows down people, but does less damage and the regular minigun. The DPS heavies want a minigun too, let's make a minigun that makes you slower, but deals more damage! Oh wait, we already have that...Scout needs a slight boost. Soldier, and demoman got AoE. Pyro and Heavy got DPS at close range. Medic has one of them. The only thing you can kill is is snipers, and engineers trying to get some metal. The snipers still turn 180 degrees and headshot you 50% of the time... He needs a little boost.
Seriously, +80% damage, at the cost of being slower, for the class that needs speed LEAST? I tried it, and felt no difference in speed, but my enemies died a lot faster.
Also, the backburner. Nuff' said.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on May 01, 2011, 02:15:37 am
The snipers still turn 180 degrees and headshot you 50% of the time... He needs a little boost.
If that happens, either the snipers are cheating, or you're moving way too slow as a scout. As it stands, the scout is already pretty nasty in the right hands; it's just requires a good ping and reflexes. If the scout has mad milk as well... truly terrifying.
Post by: Bdthemag on May 01, 2011, 02:54:16 am
Post by: jester on May 01, 2011, 03:14:47 am
Yep, stun locks are a terrible idea, especially with straight shooting weps like the rocket launcher, even with 0% damage I can see this sort of thing being stoopidly overpowered.
As someone who plays med alot, im not huge on the idea of anything that encourages personal meds either. Too easy to end up with situations where our 2 combos fight the enemys 2 combos and everybody else just gets killed by them. ULTRA noob unfriendly and in a game where not many people play med, a damn pain
Post by: Bdthemag on May 01, 2011, 03:38:43 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 01, 2011, 03:46:24 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2011, 03:49:48 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 01, 2011, 06:08:37 am
Post by: kilakan on May 01, 2011, 07:02:26 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 01, 2011, 07:22:35 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 01, 2011, 07:42:07 am
A pair of heavy shoes for the Enginner.
It replaces his destruction PDA, but makes it so airblasts/rocket blasts only blast you back 25% as far.
Post by: jester on May 01, 2011, 09:19:39 am
Okay guys, I've come up with sheer brilliance.
A pair of heavy shoes for the Enginner.
It replaces his destruction PDA, but makes it so airblasts/rocket blasts only blast you back 25% as far.
Then how would I rocket jump into solis faces?
I cant really see an upshot to this, and if you engi alot, you destroy alot of buildings
Id like a wrench with no upgrade ability that lets you pick up your tele/dispenser and have them working on your back, would be awsome
Quickchange on the bonesaw the same as the degreaser anyone? No new skinning, balance shouldnt be a huge issue and it would make the bonesaw more than totally useless
Post by: The Scout on May 01, 2011, 10:02:19 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 01, 2011, 10:07:16 am
What self-respecting Gunslinger Engy would ever need to destroy their Mini?
Post by: The Scout on May 01, 2011, 10:09:43 am
Well think about itWhen it has no health left. It's a PDA slot, so it's also unchangeable. So long story short, if it ever does get put in it's more then likely going into the secondary slot.
What self-respecting Gunslinger Engy would ever need to destroy their Mini?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 01, 2011, 10:18:22 am
I wanna believe. ;-;Well think about itWhen it has no health left. It's a PDA slot, so it's also unchangeable. So long story short, if it ever does get put in it's more then likely going into the secondary slot.
What self-respecting Gunslinger Engy would ever need to destroy their Mini?
Post by: tomas1297 on May 01, 2011, 12:01:28 pm
The Destroyer
lvl 99 SMG
-99% speed on wearer
+5000 HP on wearer
+500 clip size
+300% damage
It would replace the sniper, because snipers need the shields. Damn spies. I think this would make the sniper even with other classes.
...and on a more serious note, I want to give the pyro a primary weapon that shoots napalm. No burning, longer range, stays on the ground for some time.
Post by: The Scout on May 01, 2011, 12:04:10 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on May 01, 2011, 01:22:49 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on May 01, 2011, 01:29:21 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on May 01, 2011, 01:50:30 pm
What if we replaced the Soldier's primary slot... with David Bowie.There were no survivors.
Ever.
Post by: The Doctor on May 01, 2011, 03:42:42 pm
What if we replaced the Soldier's primary slot... with David Bowies crotch.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2011, 03:47:07 pm
Gameplay is switched to a Capture The Flag mode going for the soldier with that equipped.
Post by: The Scout on May 01, 2011, 04:02:08 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 01, 2011, 04:26:18 pm
What's that mod thing that tells you how much damage you do, and makes a ping when you damage someone?Under multiplayer options there is an advanced button. Clicking it brings up a list of really too hidden features, like medibeam not requiring your mouse to be held down, damage pings, showing damage done, making your weapon automatically reload all the time because we can interrupt all reload animations so you don't need the reload button anymore and other neat things.
Post by: Bdthemag on May 01, 2011, 07:46:10 pm
Post by: The Scout on May 01, 2011, 07:52:50 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on May 02, 2011, 02:17:59 am
Giving away a free hat to the first person to guess my actual name! Heres a hint, two letters in my username are part of my first and last name.
Osama bin Laden. I guess this means I'll never get that free hat!
Post by: Siquo on May 02, 2011, 04:11:05 am
Giving away a free hat to the first person to guess my actual name! Heres a hint, two letters in my username are part of my first and last name.Bill Duncan!
Under multiplayer options there is an advanced button. Clicking it brings up a list of really too hidden features, like medibeam not requiring your mouse to be held down, damage pings, showing damage done, making your weapon automatically reload all the time because we can interrupt all reload animations so you don't need the reload button anymore and other neat things.
O_o
WTF.
Post by: The Scout on May 02, 2011, 04:59:32 am
It has made me 200% better. The pings MADE ME INVINCIBLE. But yeah, they do make you alot better.Under multiplayer options there is an advanced button. Clicking it brings up a list of really too hidden features, like medibeam not requiring your mouse to be held down, damage pings, showing damage done, making your weapon automatically reload all the time because we can interrupt all reload animations so you don't need the reload button anymore and other neat things.
O_o
WTF.
Post by: Siquo on May 02, 2011, 05:03:28 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 02, 2011, 07:09:44 am
Post by: Metalax on May 06, 2011, 04:50:41 am
Post by: LASD on May 06, 2011, 05:22:07 am
new update http://www.teamfortress.com/replayupdate/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/replayupdate/)Oh wow, that TF2 Store sure has boosted the game's development.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 06, 2011, 09:47:29 am
And I think it's obvious that Meet the Medic is almost ready.
Wait, there's a game based on these?
Post by: Frajic on May 06, 2011, 10:00:28 am
That's one of the best comics they've done yet.Yeah; it's called Hat Simulator 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLBMKpSYZXo)(ignore the not-matching titles; the year is pretty much the current version).
And I think it's obvious that Meet the Medic is almost ready.
Wait, there's a game based on these?
Post by: Siquo on May 06, 2011, 12:59:23 pm
Hehehe XD
Can't be bothered with hats. It's funny and all, but trading isn't my thing. Also I laugh at people telling me "gratz" when I found a hat (stupid robin hood hat). ::)
Post by: Enzo on May 07, 2011, 01:05:48 am
Buggy update or buggiest update? Or am I doing it wrong?
Post by: Bdthemag on May 07, 2011, 01:30:31 am
I've tried to save two replays. One of me airblasting an rocketjumping solly's attack and hitting him before he lands, one of a excellent YER chainstab. Both have failed to record. The first one recorded the first 18 seconds of my life and unexpectedly cut off, one just said "recording failed" and displayed with a big error thing in my replay menu. Different replay enabled servers.Only certain servers have the replay feature installed currently, just look for a server with a film icon and you should be set.
Buggy update or buggiest update? Or am I doing it wrong?
Post by: jester on May 07, 2011, 01:38:43 am
Post by: Enzo on May 07, 2011, 02:11:07 am
Only certain servers have the replay feature installed currently, just look for a server with a film icon and you should be set.
Different replay enabled servers.
They were both on different servers with the filmstrip dealy, and both failed, for apparently different reasons. And then, as though rubbing salt in the wound, I try again just to see if it will work on a life where I do nothing particularly cool and it's fine. I am displeased.
Alot of servers didnt seem to have it installed correctly (or something similar, icon was there, but it wouldnt work/crashed when i hit f6) earlier on, found a few that work just now though
Well, good to know it's not just me then.
Post by: kilakan on May 07, 2011, 11:13:20 am
Post by: Enzo on May 08, 2011, 03:23:41 am
Finally got a half-interesting replay to record, and I played around with the editor a bit. The resulting film, in which a scout makes a futile and likely accidental gambit to save his heavy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32udiZE7uHs)
FUN FACT:
Apparent arrows don't show up, first-person weapons glitch in and out, and ragdolls fall differently every time you replay/save/whatever.
Replays would be fun if they weren't so frustrating.
Post by: Siquo on May 08, 2011, 06:17:43 am
I haven't tried the replay stuff, is that even possible, to get different angles?
Post by: LASD on May 08, 2011, 07:35:39 am
That would've been cool if you replayed that scout being hit in slow mo a few times from several angles. The fail isn't really adding anything, remove that.Yup, you have a free camera mode, which you can use to see anything you want from any angle. Also, you can see everything from any player's eyes on the server. It's nice to be able to see if you're moving as annoyingly as most Scouts seem to.
I haven't tried the replay stuff, is that even possible, to get different angles?
Post by: Satarus on May 08, 2011, 07:50:22 am
I did some dustbowl 2v1 and completely dominated them on the 4th point. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t0-7qFQ7a4)
Post by: gumball135 on May 08, 2011, 08:04:04 am
Everybody post your videos.
Finally got a half-interesting replay to record, and I played around with the editor a bit. The resulting film, in which a scout makes a futile and likely accidental gambit to save his heavy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32udiZE7uHs)
FUN FACT:
Apparent arrows don't show up, first-person weapons glitch in and out, and ragdolls fall differently every time you replay/save/whatever.
Replays would be fun if they weren't so frustrating.
It's a good clip, but hard to make out that the Scout actually blocked the arrow. Probably could've been filmed from a better angle, but I still enjoyed it.
Yes you can make the movie using any 1st person view, 3rd person, or free view cam.
I did some dustbowl 2v1 and completely dominated them on the 4th point. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t0-7qFQ7a4)
Also a nice video. You really whooped those guys.
Post by: kilakan on May 08, 2011, 10:50:16 am
Post by: ExKirby on May 08, 2011, 12:10:49 pm
The first one is me getting Backsniped on 2fort. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvkXFu5-7iw&feature=youtube_gdata)
Post by: Enzo on May 08, 2011, 04:02:45 pm
That would've been cool if you replayed that scout being hit in slow mo a few times from several angles. The fail isn't really adding anything, remove that.Yup, you have a free camera mode, which you can use to see anything you want from any angle. Also, you can see everything from any player's eyes on the server. It's nice to be able to see if you're moving as annoyingly as most Scouts seem to.
I haven't tried the replay stuff, is that even possible, to get different angles?
Can you do slow-mo, or piece together the same hit from different angles without using another video editor? As far as I could figure, the replay can be from any camera angle, but has to be in real time.
It's a good clip, but hard to make out that the Scout actually blocked the arrow.
Would have been easier to show if you could see the crosshairs in first-person lining up the headshot. Or the arrow, for that matter :/
Anyway, it was just a mildly amusing WTF-did-I-just-shoot moment. I'll wait until I get a cooler replay to play with it some more.
I demand we start a view spam club so we can all win :D
I agree with this sentiment.
Post by: kilakan on May 08, 2011, 04:55:26 pm
I've decided to start a series of shorts called How To (Not) Play TF2, in which I show of my greatest attempts at both ends of the win/lose spectrum.you need a shot of you getting sniped, I had to maximize it and squint to see what happened.
The first one is me getting Backsniped on 2fort. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvkXFu5-7iw&feature=youtube_gdata)
Post by: Satarus on May 09, 2011, 01:59:41 pm
Post by: Metalax on May 09, 2011, 02:18:24 pm
Post by: Cecilff2 on May 10, 2011, 10:18:25 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew53C7yiuHY
Post by: jester on May 10, 2011, 12:56:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo2KR6M7j6k
Post by: Enzo on May 11, 2011, 12:53:48 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9UsB7zedvU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9UsB7zedvU)
I also discovered a silly bug in the replay system making this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXLwl3YDoGY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXLwl3YDoGY)
Also, I am enjoying the random videos.
Post by: Siquo on May 11, 2011, 04:28:09 am
Post by: PTTG?? on May 11, 2011, 10:21:38 am
Post by: Bdthemag on May 11, 2011, 09:15:19 pm
Post by: ExKirby on May 12, 2011, 03:28:55 pm
Anyone want to start up a game on Tf2lobby.com? Its a site used for Pick-up groups that are more competetive. You can play either highlander (9v9, each team has one of each class.) or 6v6 (2 Scouts, 2 Soldiers, 1 Demo, 1 Medic.). If so I can set up a game.Wrong on the 6 Vs 6-IIRC, that's the Cookie Cutter setup, which, although effective, isn't needed to play.
Post by: Bdthemag on May 12, 2011, 03:46:06 pm
I know, its the one thats most played though. You might want to switch out a scout for something else if needed, but in my experience most of the time its the default setup.Anyone want to start up a game on Tf2lobby.com? Its a site used for Pick-up groups that are more competetive. You can play either highlander (9v9, each team has one of each class.) or 6v6 (2 Scouts, 2 Soldiers, 1 Demo, 1 Medic.). If so I can set up a game.Wrong on the 6 Vs 6-IIRC, that's the Cookie Cutter setup, which, although effective, isn't needed to play.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 12, 2011, 03:55:27 pm
This might work well with him as an engineer, crouching behind a turret. That would make it look very difficult to face down. Meanwhile, the real engineer could sneak off someplace unexpected and put a teleporter exit...
A homewrecker'd pyro nearby would even enable the spy to take care of the other spy... Of course, by this point, that's a third of the team involved in a very subtle attack.
Post by: ExKirby on May 12, 2011, 04:01:22 pm
Anyway, seeing as I'm certain that someone mentioned Valve would release a second set of class updates, I say we speculate. With the possibility of a Meet the Medic video, and a new Medigun in the works, I'd say that the Medic gets his second round first. I'd like him to get a newmedigun that heals faster while in combat, at the expense of the Ubercharge rate.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 12, 2011, 04:55:25 pm
At least one of those will be correct, you'll see.
Post by: Sensei on May 12, 2011, 05:52:21 pm
Ooh! Or medigun that sets teammates on (contagious/self-harmless or self-healed) fire. We could use some PYRO <3 MEDIC
Post by: jester on May 13, 2011, 04:04:00 am
'The Quick-Fix: * Heal rate increased 50% * Uber charge rate increased 50% * Not able to overheal * Match the speed of any faster heal target * Uber effect: Megaheal o Heal rate increased 3x on heal target o Heal target and medic immune to stun and damage forces'.
I still really want a quickchange wep for the med.
Also a flaregun that can be used by the pyro to rocket jump is tipped to get in
Post by: Siquo on May 13, 2011, 04:44:47 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 13, 2011, 06:58:51 am
Although this isn't the solution for various reasons. The foremost is that it's entirely ping dependent and one can't have skill with it, as you can never know how well it'll work. It gives you explosive vulnerability, so it causes some extreme self-damage that can take you down to 50 health in one shot.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 13, 2011, 10:12:03 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on May 13, 2011, 10:57:42 am
This "quick-fix" thing sounds like they're trying to imagine a world where medics and scouts actually interact.
The problem with the quick fix is the no overhealing.
The faster heal and uber build rate is the real bonus(because yeah, scouts are too ADD to help out with something like that).
But without overheals, it's far too easy to take down the heal target.
Post by: jester on May 13, 2011, 12:26:46 pm
1. Backline building uber
2. Few meters behind frontline keeping the troops rolling
3. Behind the line pocket medic on good well, just about anything
4. Self ubering, taunt killing, crit needle spitting stabbing everything that moves combat med
The 50% extra uber charge is what makes me think the quick fix would be decent, you would spit ubers out every 15-20 seconds, as long as you can dodge your heavy would be close to invincible. In public the scout boost would be fairly useless, VERY interesting in comp, pocket med on scout can be brutal with a pro scout.
Also, here is a vid of me on a 7 kill streak as pyro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzvXYaI8Iss&feature=BFp&list=WL311E2463E2B3DEFD&index=1
Post by: PTTG?? on May 13, 2011, 12:37:16 pm
Post by: jester on May 13, 2011, 12:43:33 pm
I don't know if they really want to encourage more combat medics...Wouldnt, ubersaw/standard uber is the solo meds loadout of choice. Self uber can be a great way to camp a spawn for giggles
I figure it is more for
2. Few meters behind frontline keeping the troops rolling.
not for personal medic work, med is dodging like a fiend and trying to keep 2-3 frontline troops at full health
Post by: Cecilff2 on May 13, 2011, 12:49:03 pm
Was an engy and a pyro managed to destroy my sentry before I could get back to it, I finish him off with a shotgun and two snipers come around the corner. Using the rest of my shotty ammo I kill them both, and then a scout rounds the corner. I back off switch to wrench and wrench him straight in the face as he rounds the next corner. All in about 6-7 seconds.
Post by: ExKirby on May 13, 2011, 04:10:03 pm
Post by: Satarus on May 17, 2011, 07:09:31 pm
Post by: ExKirby on May 18, 2011, 04:04:17 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 03, 2011, 09:24:21 am
Post by: Bdthemag on June 05, 2011, 02:26:11 am
I wished keys dropped. Or there was a way to get them without buying them. Oh well, no unusual hats for me. Just scrap metal for crates...You should learn the secret technique of Profit Trading, thats how I make and lose my fortunes. I've traded alot of hats for games recently.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 05, 2011, 08:05:39 am
Oh you know what I don't care fuck those stupid mouthbreathers anyway.
Post by: Thexor on June 05, 2011, 12:10:54 pm
How in the world do you get people to trust you enough to buy you a game for a... virtual... hat...
Oh you know what I don't care fuck those stupid mouthbreathers anyway.
From what I've seen, the only requirement for game-trader trust is a SPUF account. Maybe a TF2items link, so they can confirm you have the hat you're offering. Oh, and of course, your promise that you're not going to take their gift and then run laughing into the sunset.
So, um, yeah. Near as I can tell, there's a reason these morons get scammed so frequently. ::)
Post by: Bdthemag on June 05, 2011, 12:59:11 pm
How in the world do you get people to trust you enough to buy you a game for a... virtual... hat...Well you get people to vouch for you, people don't regularly do that atleast in my experience.
Oh you know what I don't care fuck those stupid mouthbreathers anyway.
Oh and im also a confirmed trader on SourceOP, that helps.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 13, 2011, 10:28:26 am
Fortwars mod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGK1bAcRY1w
Post by: jester on June 14, 2011, 12:19:58 pm
Post by: Blargityblarg on June 15, 2011, 02:29:34 am
Post by: The Scout on June 15, 2011, 01:17:54 pm
Post by: kilakan on June 15, 2011, 04:16:31 pm
Is the TF2 server still up? Let's make it public and have a Bay12 vs Pubs match.I'm all in
edit*
Wait I don't think it's been updated for like 4 updates, it's live, but broken for items last time I checked.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 15, 2011, 04:18:58 pm
http://fc.xunlei.com/
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Post by: kilakan on June 15, 2011, 04:20:53 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 15, 2011, 04:34:52 pm
Post by: kilakan on June 15, 2011, 04:40:36 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 15, 2011, 04:55:23 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 15, 2011, 05:00:42 pm
Post by: Strange guy on June 15, 2011, 05:11:22 pm
Post by: kilakan on June 15, 2011, 05:13:22 pm
I've heard people say the maps are taken straight from Battlefield: Heroes, so no it isn't by Valve.so they stole from battlefield and valve, these guys are gonna get slammed so hard.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 15, 2011, 06:25:11 pm
Post by: umiman on June 15, 2011, 06:25:46 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 15, 2011, 07:06:08 pm
They are going to be sue'd into oblivion.
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Post by: kilakan on June 15, 2011, 07:19:09 pm
How would they get slammed? Valve and EA aren't Chinese companies. China has no obligation to enforce intellectual property of other countries (and rarely does it ever do so in the fist place).no but they could petition to have it banned from all countries but china, which would... nevermind I suppose they are fine then.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 15, 2011, 10:31:18 pm
Now, try being an american and sue someone in china. Just try. Your american laws do not apply. Insta-fail and possible death sentence if you go over there to do this.
Post by: Enzo on June 16, 2011, 03:03:39 am
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I see a scout with a hockey stick, a black heavy, a midget, and a sexy female sniper. I'm also pretty sure the pyro has a guitar on his back.
This looks awesome.
Post by: umiman on June 16, 2011, 12:18:12 pm
Post by: kilakan on June 16, 2011, 12:20:25 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 16, 2011, 12:26:59 pm
If so, this game is already winning.
Post by: Cecilff2 on June 17, 2011, 08:17:12 am
Ahahahah oh my god. Click this link at your own risk, I'm not responsible if your information gets stolen and used to buy Chinese hookers on the other side of the world.
http://fc.xunlei.com/
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Post by: The Scout on June 17, 2011, 10:14:50 am
Post by: dragnar on June 17, 2011, 11:27:53 am
So the solution to copyright infringement in another country is... throw Saxton Hale at it?Ahahahah oh my god. Click this link at your own risk, I'm not responsible if your information gets stolen and used to buy Chinese hookers on the other side of the world.
http://fc.xunlei.com/
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Post by: PTTG?? on June 17, 2011, 12:01:02 pm
Post by: The Doctor on June 17, 2011, 12:01:16 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 17, 2011, 03:15:06 pm
No, Saxton Hale throws himself at it. Out of a helicopter. Full of bees.Who then lands on an eagle, kicks the crap out of it, then rips the ribcage out of a crocodile.
Post by: The Scout on June 17, 2011, 03:16:55 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 18, 2011, 09:48:22 am
Post by: Darvi on June 18, 2011, 02:45:13 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 20, 2011, 06:04:27 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 20, 2011, 07:38:10 pm
I'm making an event about once a day.
This would be neat if actually followed.
Post by: Metalax on June 20, 2011, 07:43:07 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/uberupdate/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/uberupdate/)
Just had a look at the first two sets that have been identified. The silent spin-up minigun is going to make for nice ambush heavies. The Heavies other two weapons don't look as good, although the shotgun is decent if you actually use one. The brass knuckles I don't think will work that well but need to experiment to find out for sure.
The spy's new gun looks like it is designed to go with the dead ringer where the longer cloaking time should not apply. The knife looks decent though another decreased health knife again.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 20, 2011, 08:05:45 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 20, 2011, 08:22:36 pm
So it only depends how batshit you want to go.
;P
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 20, 2011, 08:31:38 pm
My god, I'm trembling already
Post by: Thexor on June 20, 2011, 09:30:09 pm
Post by: Metalax on June 20, 2011, 09:32:51 pm
Post by: jester on June 21, 2011, 02:38:05 am
Post by: Enzo on June 21, 2011, 03:50:34 am
Post by: Shadowlord on June 21, 2011, 04:27:50 am
+75% Spinup time? Do want. The other items I'm not all that excited about.
You want a slower minigun? :P
Post by: Enzo on June 21, 2011, 06:01:44 am
+75% Spinup time? Do want. The other items I'm not all that excited about.
You want a slower minigun? :P
Brass Beast 2.0! No...you know what I meant.
So... what other items do we expect to see? Probably the latest batch of beta items, or at least some of them.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 21, 2011, 10:14:10 am
Post by: Strange guy on June 21, 2011, 10:28:50 am
The spy items seem a bit better though.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 21, 2011, 11:40:45 am
Makes his melee work a bit more like the scout's bat.How is this supposed to work with a slowass heavy? I suppose the steak is the only real way of making this great, or just trying to move into people with no need for dancing around.
From what I can tell it's basically a faster spinup minigun with 20% reduced damage. For a few seconds after spinning up you'll do more damage than the vanilla minigun before their DPS catches up and surpasses this one.
Post by: The Scout on June 21, 2011, 11:42:27 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 21, 2011, 11:59:17 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on June 21, 2011, 01:55:58 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on June 21, 2011, 02:19:21 pm
As a Pyro armed with any flamethrower, have the flamethrower as your active weapon. Look down. Jump and left click. Congrats, you're flying.
This may not work on ALL server, but it works on MOST of them.
Post by: The Scout on June 21, 2011, 04:00:23 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 21, 2011, 04:15:57 pm
Heavy just makes shooting sounds with his mouth.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 21, 2011, 04:47:32 pm
Post by: Metalax on June 21, 2011, 06:52:52 pm
Snipers new rifle, oh thats going to be fun trying to play against some of those twitch gamers. New sword looks like it is good for those snipers who only use it to take out enemies that have snuck up and are meeleing them.
Demos new weapons make for even more demo knights. The swords all ammo becomes health might make them quite difficult to take out when they fight in chokepoints littered with fallen weapons. It also appears that it is now possible to have demomen with no ranged weapons at all.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 21, 2011, 06:58:12 pm
Seriously, none of his new equipment has so much as a downside. The Persuader might be annoying if you really need ammo, I guess... I like the Bargain for the sniper, though.
Who wants to bet on "wasteland Wednesday"? It'll be Pyro and Scout.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 21, 2011, 06:59:07 pm
I like it.
Post by: Enzo on June 21, 2011, 06:59:37 pm
But then they were all for demoknight :C
Post by: Metalax on June 21, 2011, 07:01:55 pm
edit: according to some who have played in the beta, the rifle will have no scope but will instead have iron sights.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 21, 2011, 07:25:43 pm
I also really wish all equipment had a suffix of whatever slot it goes in. Like, Secondary Boots, Secondary Sandwich, Primary Bow, etc.
Post by: Metalax on June 21, 2011, 07:29:03 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 21, 2011, 07:55:43 pm
What's the downside of the new shield?Besides not having stickies?
Playing demoknight better than you would with stickies is really tricky. Those lil bombs are the best weapon the demo has.
Chargin' Targe:
Increases damage power while charging
50% fire resistance
40% explosive damage resistance
The Splendid Screen:
25% fire resistance
20% explosive resistance
+70% charge impact damage (85 damage on a full charge)
Post by: jester on June 21, 2011, 09:13:33 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 21, 2011, 09:18:09 pm
O.o
Post by: Thexor on June 21, 2011, 09:23:31 pm
Shoes are the bigger worry for me. looks like they let you control the charge. More OP demo knight anyone?
A) What Soulwynd said. Having a decently-powerful melee weapon at the cost of your main ranged weapon is hardly an awesome trade-off. I'd really have a tough time calling Demoknight OP.
B) Given that there are only 3 weapon slots, I'd be willing to bet the boots are a grenade launcher replacement. In which case, you now have no ranged option at all. To be blunt, there's a reason the Pyro has a backup weapon - it's because powerful point-blank-range weapons are kind of useless if, you know, you're not at close range.
Now, of course, the boots are basically a no-drawback upgrade for Medieval Mode, but trying to argue for Medieval Mode balance is silly in the first place. :P
Post by: Aklyon on June 21, 2011, 09:27:47 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 21, 2011, 09:36:24 pm
Nooo. Thinking about it wrong. Just goes up twice as fast.
Post by: mattie2009 on June 22, 2011, 01:10:36 am
You do not math properly.
Sadly, I don't think I can name a single person off the top of my head that hasn't fallen for this at some point in life.
Myself included.
Post by: Thexor on June 22, 2011, 02:09:11 am
A scattergun that lands minicrits if you run around a lot... and a bat that lets you triple jump. Scouts are about to get a lot more annoying. :D
Post by: LASD on June 22, 2011, 02:29:43 am
A scattergun that lands minicrits if you run around a lot... and a bat that lets you triple jump. Scouts are about to get a lot more annoying. :DThat bat + Force-A-Nature gives quadruple jump, wonder what new places scouts will be able to reach.
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2011, 02:30:29 am
Post by: mattie2009 on June 22, 2011, 03:35:03 am
The Soda Popper looks pretty cool, though, and I suppose it makes sense that the scout is the No.1 fan of Bonk, seeing as he's the only character who touches the stuff.
Post by: jester on June 22, 2011, 04:10:41 am
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2011, 10:25:00 am
Id drink itThis.
Post by: RF on June 22, 2011, 10:39:58 am
Builds "hype" as you run, -5
When the hype meter is full, -7
unleash mini-crits! -5
Maybe a hint of what's to come?
Post by: Cthulhu on June 22, 2011, 10:42:49 am
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2011, 10:47:28 am
Problem that'll fix itself
So don't worry man
Post by: PTTG?? on June 22, 2011, 10:57:30 am
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2011, 10:59:54 am
The triple-jump bat seems a bit oddly ballanced; I don't see the connection between increased movement ability and decreased damage-dealing ability.Depends on where the 10 damage goes. Does it hurt the scout? That's retarded with the other bebuffs on it. Does it hurt other people? How does it figure out who to hurt? Does jumping store the damage in the bat? ONE HIT KILL.
Post by: The Doctor on June 22, 2011, 12:15:15 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 22, 2011, 12:19:30 pm
I do look forward to the nerfs Valve will release for Pyro when it comes to his turn.
Post by: jester on June 22, 2011, 12:20:07 pm
Post by: The Doctor on June 22, 2011, 12:21:33 pm
Grants triple jump
Third jump deals 10 damage
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2011, 12:25:36 pm
I thought, if it was a debuff, it would be in red. LikeMe too. But since damage makes you do a little jump, it'll be like 4 jumps. Add in the FaN, and the scout is impossible to hit.
Grants triple jump
Third jump deals 10 damage
Post by: ToonyMan on June 22, 2011, 12:36:50 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 22, 2011, 12:39:04 pm
Great find.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 22, 2011, 12:41:04 pm
Oh hell I played that map and never figured out what that song was.It's a song called Give_Me! by SHAKEⅡ. Which is some Japanese thing.
Great find.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 22, 2011, 01:41:09 pm
Post by: Sensei on June 22, 2011, 02:23:09 pm
So, 6 jumps?I thought, if it was a debuff, it would be in red. LikeMe too. But since damage makes you do a little jump, it'll be like 4 jumps. Add in the FaN, and the scout is impossible to hit.
Grants triple jump
Third jump deals 10 damage
Why don't they just give him a jetpack.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 22, 2011, 02:24:51 pm
...So, 6 jumps?I thought, if it was a debuff, it would be in red. LikeMe too. But since damage makes you do a little jump, it'll be like 4 jumps. Add in the FaN, and the scout is impossible to hit.
Grants triple jump
Third jump deals 10 damage
Why don't they just give him a jetpack.
Why not, indeed...
Post by: Cecilff2 on June 22, 2011, 02:40:33 pm
So, 6 jumps?
Why don't they just give him a jetpack.
With bonk as the fuel no doubt.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 22, 2011, 05:58:00 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 22, 2011, 06:02:02 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2011, 06:08:37 pm
Post by: RF on June 22, 2011, 06:09:31 pm
Turns out the Soldier actually will be channeling Mario. His new boots allow him to do "x3 falling damage to player you land on", which sounds like however much damage you take from falling is dealt to them as well, three times.
Hopefully it triples the height you've fell from instead of just x3 damage, or you'll be buggered trying to get high enough on most maps.
Boots: 75% push force, AKA NO ROCKET JUMPING. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
That'd make the boots worthless. :p I think it means reducing the push force taking from heavies / sentries etc.
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2011, 06:14:14 pm
Post by: Metalax on June 22, 2011, 06:27:30 pm
Liberty launcher is a direct hit lite for people who have trouble aiming, though it now gives another rocket speed for pyros to get used to for airblasting.
So there is the pyro, medic and engineer left to go. Hopefully at least one set for each.
Post by: Enzo on June 22, 2011, 06:41:52 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 22, 2011, 06:44:53 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2011, 06:55:12 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 22, 2011, 09:18:36 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2011, 09:19:49 pm
Post by: breadbocks on June 23, 2011, 12:45:14 am
Post by: The Scout on June 23, 2011, 12:49:26 am
Post by: breadbocks on June 23, 2011, 12:51:14 am
Post by: The Scout on June 23, 2011, 12:53:31 am
Post by: Realmfighter on June 23, 2011, 01:55:00 am
I lurv it.
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2011, 03:12:33 am
Bay 12 server. 3 hours. 1 kill, 50 deaths. Then I get 50 kills, 15 deaths. in 30 mintues sometimes. Depends on who is on. And some people are sniping bastards who never fucking miss. DOUBLE FAN JUM- BOOM! HEADSHOT. Que me raging. Spy? Cloak, cloaking along-HEADSHOT. RAGEQUIT.
Snipers are horrible people and they should die.
But yeah, it depends on the other players in the server. Sometimes I own and sometimes I'm completely useless, regardless of how well I'm playing. It also depends on the class balance of the teams. It bothers me how often I have to point out that 3 Snipers and 3 Spies aren't really effective on a 12-man team...
Post by: The Scout on June 23, 2011, 03:19:45 am
Post by: Blargityblarg on June 23, 2011, 03:21:00 am
Bay 12 server. 3 hours. 1 kill, 50 deaths. Then I get 50 kills, 15 deaths. in 30 mintues sometimes. Depends on who is on. And some people are sniping bastards who never fucking miss. DOUBLE FAN JUM- BOOM! HEADSHOT. Que me raging. Spy? Cloak, cloaking along-HEADSHOT. RAGEQUIT.
Snipers are horrible people and they should die.
But yeah, it depends on the other players in the server. Sometimes I own and sometimes I'm completely useless, regardless of how well I'm playing. It also depends on the class balance of the teams. It bothers me how often I have to point out that 3 Snipers and 3 Spies aren't really effective on a 12-man team...
Oh god, truth. The other day, I was playing a medic, but I had nobody to pocket- there were four spies, no scouts, pyros, soldiers or demomen, and I think one or two Heavies.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 23, 2011, 03:42:27 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 23, 2011, 03:50:26 am
Post by: Siquo on June 23, 2011, 05:11:24 am
And my apologies if I owned any of you last night.
...NOT :D
*Siquo is a good loser, but a really bad winner*
Post by: Blargityblarg on June 23, 2011, 07:36:53 am
Post by: RF on June 23, 2011, 07:51:12 am
Is it even possible to play as spy?
It's not really helped by the fact like 90% of maps are blatant linear tunnel shoots.
EDIT: Maybe an item that makes cloak not be displaced by area damage?
Post by: Metalax on June 23, 2011, 08:18:12 am
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 23, 2011, 08:49:41 am
Post by: Strange guy on June 23, 2011, 09:00:52 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on June 23, 2011, 09:01:31 am
Post by: PTTG?? on June 23, 2011, 09:36:37 am
I look forward to seeing teams of heavy/medic, with the soldier behind them whipping them.
This is where valve really shines- tying characters to game design.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 11:08:18 am
This thing is downright inspired. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OsF0O5vd1s&feature=player_embedded)
G-Mod animations have really gone a long way.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2011, 11:46:20 am
My god.There has always been the ability to do that. It's just most people don't put enough effort into things.
This thing is downright inspired. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OsF0O5vd1s&feature=player_embedded)
G-Mod animations have really gone a long way.
Post by: dragonshardz on June 23, 2011, 12:44:41 pm
My god.
This thing is downright inspired. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OsF0O5vd1s&feature=player_embedded)
G-Mod animations have really gone a long way.
My God. I laughed for ten minutes and now my family is looking at me funny.
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2011, 01:40:09 pm
Is it even possible to play as spy?
It's not really helped by the fact like 90% of maps are blatant linear tunnel shoots.
Have you seen some people play spy? They can wipe out half a team if played correctly.
And even the most linear maps have multiple branching paths, coupled with invisibility I find getting behind the enemy team to be the easiest part of playing spy.
Post by: The Scout on June 23, 2011, 01:54:38 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2011, 02:17:51 pm
Problem is, I play with the best scouts/snipers ever. They'll jump around a corner, hit the ground, and headshot me while I'm cloaked. Scouts I'll hit me with the stunball while I'm cloaked, thne proceed to beat me to death.Looks like you're out of luck then. Going to have to give up now.
Post by: The Scout on June 23, 2011, 04:42:38 pm
Post by: Thexor on June 23, 2011, 04:56:25 pm
NEW PYRO WEAPON. http://www.teamfortress.com/uberupdate/thedetonator.html (http://www.teamfortress.com/uberupdate/thedetonator.html)
Damn, I didn't notice this one before. (The link is the tiny chalk gas mask on the Soldier's chalkboard. :o )
Of course, I assume there's a downside here somewhere - perhaps it won't crit already-burning targets? Still, if it detonates in the air, that means it has a blast radius... which means you can ignite entire packs of opponents with a single well-placed shot. Awesome!
Post by: PTTG?? on June 23, 2011, 05:02:02 pm
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2011, 05:51:09 pm
NEW PYRO WEAPON. http://www.teamfortress.com/uberupdate/thedetonator.html (http://www.teamfortress.com/uberupdate/thedetonator.html)Of course, I assume there's a downside here somewhere - perhaps it won't crit already-burning targets? Still, if it detonates in the air, that means it has a blast radius... which means you can ignite entire packs of opponents with a single well-placed shot. Awesome!
The wiki says it will mini-crit burning targets instead of full-on crit, and only on direct hits (rather than blast radius). It's been a beta weapon for a while so I figure that's what they're basing it on. Also, you're vulnerable to your own explosions, but that's a pretty small drawback. Especially since you can flarejump ambush now. Yessss.
Apparently no Engi gear, but that might be a psyche-out?
The suspense is killing me for the final update. It should be pretty soon.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 23, 2011, 05:55:25 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 23, 2011, 05:59:32 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 23, 2011, 06:04:23 pm
Scout has gone stark raving mad.
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 23, 2011, 06:10:34 pm
Have you seen some people play spy? They can wipe out half a team if played correctly.
Today i tried spy for the first time in ages, and for some reason the enemy just couldn't handle me ( they were probably lol-bad :D ). I was playing on that train depo map and at first I just decided to try and aim at my spawn and then hop backwards as if I was running away. Boom, not a single enemy shot me while i was crossing to the other side for something like 20 minutes. It was just hilarous. I managed to get 3-5 enemies in super heavily crowded areas per life.
Hop backwards
Wait for enemy
Stab stab stab stab stab stab
Jump into water
Jump out disguised
Start from top
???
Profit
Post by: Thexor on June 23, 2011, 06:19:45 pm
Update... not out yet.... REFRESH REFRESH REFRESH...NOT OUT YET....
Scout has gone stark raving mad.
1) Join TF2 Official Steam group.
2) Play games on Steam.
3) Watch corner of screen for update notification from TF2 team.
4) ...
5) POFFIT!
Post by: The Scout on June 23, 2011, 06:21:31 pm
Post by: Aklyon on June 23, 2011, 06:32:19 pm
But but... I'm an engie... I want engie stuff! :(
Post by: Bdthemag on June 23, 2011, 06:44:31 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 23, 2011, 06:45:41 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 06:46:07 pm
Also, you're vulnerable to your own explosions, but that's a pretty small drawback.Each jump takes off more than half your health in the beta. What. The. Fuck.
Post by: RF on June 23, 2011, 07:40:18 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 23, 2011, 08:47:57 pm
Fuck. Yeah.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 23, 2011, 08:48:23 pm
Hmm? What's that? Team Fortress 2 is now free to play?For a short time, but yeah.
Fuck. Yeah.
Post by: jester on June 23, 2011, 08:49:40 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on June 23, 2011, 08:50:19 pm
Like the Meet the Medic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc), done for the F2P promo.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 23, 2011, 08:50:49 pm
ForeverOh god no, game over man. Game over! The Quality of the updates will lower, and most things will have to be bought.
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2011, 08:53:13 pm
In other news, they finally seem to me making the last two Meet the Team vids.
Like the Meet the Medic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc), done for the F2P promo.
Hey, no wonder their homepage won't load. They dropped the vid!
Does that mean I can have my new weapons soon?
Post by: Vherid on June 23, 2011, 08:53:27 pm
inb4 they skip Thursday and do a "Forgetful Friday". :p
The patch is coming out today I thought.
Post by: The Mechanical Man on June 23, 2011, 08:53:36 pm
ForeverOh god no, game over man. Game over! The Quality of the updates will lower, and most things will have to be bought.
Just what I was thinking.
I guess I never played much TF2 anyways, though.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 08:54:38 pm
Is the bust gonna be a melee weapon? This could be interesting to bean over peoples heads with.
Post by: Tilla on June 23, 2011, 08:54:48 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 23, 2011, 08:57:42 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 23, 2011, 08:57:54 pm
Post by: Thexor on June 23, 2011, 08:58:47 pm
ForeverOh god no, game over man. Game over! The Quality of the updates will lower, and most things will have to be bought.
Silly person. TF2 has effectively become Valve's means of promoting the Steam service. Notice that practically every game released comes with promo items - pre-order bonuses and the like, which cost Valve absolutely nothing to provide. Those bonuses aren't a purchase incentive if you don't own TF2. Now, everybody owns TF2, which means it's easier for Valve to use promo items as promotions for other games.
So, TF2 is basically a marketing tool. I find it hard to believe that Valve would allow such a powerful advantage falter due to lack of updates. If anything, we're now more likely to see TF2 continue for a few more years, at the very least. Likewise, "ruining" it with for-pay upgrades would be silly. If TF2 continues to provide as a marketing tool for Valve via Steam, there's no need for the Mannconomy to bring in anything!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 09:01:34 pm
The blog, the
Post by: Tilla on June 23, 2011, 09:01:42 pm
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2011, 09:02:21 pm
inb4 they skip Thursday and do a "Forgetful Friday". :p
The patch is coming out today I thought.
Today, Valve Time. A Friday release would be startlingly prompt.
And what's all this about free TF2 week lasting a month/forever? Seriously? I can't get the main page to load, presumably due to crippling Meet the Medic traffic. Also, most epic Meet the Video yet.
Post by: FunctionZero on June 23, 2011, 09:03:16 pm
Everything has crashed.As long as the download servers stand, I'm happy.
The blog, theforums, the ingame store, everything.
Post by: Dermonster on June 23, 2011, 09:03:51 pm
Archimedes!
Post by: Tilla on June 23, 2011, 09:04:23 pm
It says 'Forever' in the videoinb4 they skip Thursday and do a "Forgetful Friday". :p
The patch is coming out today I thought.
Today, Valve Time. A Friday release would be startlingly prompt.
And what's all this about free TF2 week lasting a month/forever? Seriously? I can't get the main page to load, presumably due to crippling Meet the Medic traffic. Also, most epic Meet the Video yet.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 09:04:42 pm
Game servers are going offline, can't start TF2 up again.Everything has crashed.As long as the download servers stand, I'm happy.
The blog, theforums, the ingame store, everything.
Perhaps this is the usual time for such huge updates to process over there, perhaps the servers need to be down for an hour or something.
Or everything is crashing and burning.
Edit: Digging how the spy head in the freezer was smoking.
Post by: Astral on June 23, 2011, 09:05:50 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 09:09:51 pm
Stuck on 4 minutes 13 seconds left.
Fuck that guy. You know who.
Post by: Thexor on June 23, 2011, 09:09:56 pm
Game servers are going offline, can't start TF2 up again.Everything has crashed.As long as the download servers stand, I'm happy.
The blog, theforums, the ingame store, everything.
Perhaps this is the usual time for such huge updates to process over there, perhaps the servers need to be down for an hour or something.
Or everything is crashing and burning.
Well, a bunch of people probably saw "Free to play!" and instantly queued downloads.
The rest of the community has TF2 set to autoupdate.
I'd like to point out that TF2 just started to update for me, and it's processing at roughly ~200kB/s, occasionally dropping down to 75kB/s or lower. I usually get ~2MB/s when updating/downloading. So, yeah, there's a heck of a lot of people downloading stuff right now. ;)
And the blog/forums always go down during updates, as everybody and their cat is trying to check out the blog for info about the update, or the forums to discuss/ask what the blog would say if it wasn't down. Talk about being whipped into a frenzy. (My last post in this thread had seven responses before I could post it. Imagine the number of posts on the actual forum! :o)
Post by: Bdthemag on June 23, 2011, 09:11:12 pm
Post by: Vector on June 23, 2011, 09:16:02 pm
Should I consider playing this game?
Post by: PTTG?? on June 23, 2011, 09:16:33 pm
Wait, what happens to everybody who already bought it?
Post by: Dermonster on June 23, 2011, 09:17:55 pm
"Not big surprise."
Post by: jester on June 23, 2011, 09:19:00 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 09:21:02 pm
Hurm.
Should I consider playing this game?
That depends on how much you like shooters.
The answer is yesyesyesyes I get to see you more on steam <3<3<3
If I was on steam more often...
Post by: Vherid on June 23, 2011, 09:21:14 pm
The problem is, now that people aren't buying the game they're going to add in more items that you have to buy. Not just the normal hats and weapons, but stupid bonuses like "Buy this and do +20% more damage!". I have been worrying about this since the Manconomy update came out, this is one of my favorite games after all.
Except everything just about has been tradeable, boxable, giftable, with the exceptions of the few uber rare items, and able to be randomly found.
Post by: Vector on June 23, 2011, 09:24:55 pm
That depends on how much you like shooters.
The answer is yesyesyesyes I get to see you more on steam <3<3<3
If I was on steam more often...
Hohoho. My great love of Metal Gear has inspired me to come try this sometime.
Just wait until I get home and have non-janky internet :I
Post by: breadbocks on June 23, 2011, 09:27:21 pm
Hats. 'Nuff said.The problem is, now that people aren't buying the game they're going to add in more items that you have to buy. Not just the normal hats and weapons, but stupid bonuses like "Buy this and do +20% more damage!". I have been worrying about this since the Manconomy update came out, this is one of my favorite games after all.
Except everything just about has been tradeable, boxable, giftable, with the exceptions of the few uber rare items, and able to be randomly found.
Also, how do you find items? Is it completely random? Because I'd rather not have a basic shotty from now till the day I die.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 23, 2011, 09:28:21 pm
Post by: Vherid on June 23, 2011, 09:29:53 pm
Hats. 'Nuff said.The problem is, now that people aren't buying the game they're going to add in more items that you have to buy. Not just the normal hats and weapons, but stupid bonuses like "Buy this and do +20% more damage!". I have been worrying about this since the Manconomy update came out, this is one of my favorite games after all.
Except everything just about has been tradeable, boxable, giftable, with the exceptions of the few uber rare items, and able to be randomly found.
Also, how do you find items? Is it completely random? Because I'd rather not have a basic shotty from now till the day I die.
Get milestones with achievements, trade, craft, completely random find.
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2011, 09:33:17 pm
Also, how do you find items? Is it completely random? Because I'd rather not have a basic shotty from now till the day I die.
Drops (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Drops), explained better than I could.
Also, I have mixed feelings about Free-to-Play. If they don't botch it with Pay-to-Win weapons I don't really have a problem with it, except that I bought the game quite recently. I better get a bitchin hat or something for having a "Vintage" copy of TF2.
Also, update finished as I ate dinner YESSSSS
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 23, 2011, 09:33:23 pm
Post by: Thexor on June 23, 2011, 09:34:39 pm
Haven't seen MtM yet, but saw an article about it being Free to Play (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/24/breaking-team-fortress-2-is-now-free-to-play-forever/). Crazy man.
Wait, what happens to everybody who already bought it?
Just to elaborate a little more: I promise, it loads if you're patient! (http://teamfortress.com/freetoplay/faq.php) (Or, in honour of MtM, if you are a patient.)
Free players can't get cosmetic items from drops - weapons still drop randomly, but hats and the like won't. Free players also only get a 50-slot backpack, can't craft some items (which, we don't yet know, but probably hats are off-limits), and they can only receive items in trades or via gifts (can't give away items).
You can upgrade a free account to a paid account with any purchase. Near as I can tell, this means you can create a new account, buy one item (perhaps a key), and you're then allowed to trade said key to your main account, along with all the spare weapons you've picked up. I'm sure there's something hindering people from making dozens of accounts to idle with, but Valve only mentioned tracking hackers using multiple accounts to avoid bans.
Oh, and people who paid for the game previously get a "Proof of Purchase" hat. So, yeah, I guess that formally means even TF2 has TF2 promo items!
Post by: Tilla on June 23, 2011, 09:36:51 pm
Haven't seen MtM yet, but saw an article about it being Free to Play (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/24/breaking-team-fortress-2-is-now-free-to-play-forever/). Crazy man.
Wait, what happens to everybody who already bought it?
Just to elaborate a little more: I promise, it loads if you're patient! (http://teamfortress.com/freetoplay/faq.php) (Or, in honour of MtM, if you are a patient.)
Free players can't get cosmetic items from drops - weapons still drop randomly, but hats and the like won't. Free players also only get a 50-slot backpack, can't craft some items (which, we don't yet know, but probably hats are off-limits), and they can only receive items in trades or via gifts (can't give away items).
You can upgrade a free account to a paid account with any purchase. Near as I can tell, this means you can create a new account, buy one item (perhaps a key), and you're then allowed to trade said key to your main account, along with all the spare weapons you've picked up. I'm sure there's something hindering people from making dozens of accounts to idle with, but Valve only mentioned tracking hackers using multiple accounts to avoid bans.
Oh, and people who paid for the game previously get a "Proof of Purchase" hat. So, yeah, I guess that formally means even TF2 has TF2 promo items!
Minimum purchase for Steam Wallet is $5. There is no way to buy any item without having at least $5 down
Post by: Thexor on June 23, 2011, 09:39:48 pm
Haven't seen MtM yet, but saw an article about it being Free to Play (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/24/breaking-team-fortress-2-is-now-free-to-play-forever/). Crazy man.
Wait, what happens to everybody who already bought it?
Just to elaborate a little more: I promise, it loads if you're patient! (http://teamfortress.com/freetoplay/faq.php) (Or, in honour of MtM, if you are a patient.)
Free players can't get cosmetic items from drops - weapons still drop randomly, but hats and the like won't. Free players also only get a 50-slot backpack, can't craft some items (which, we don't yet know, but probably hats are off-limits), and they can only receive items in trades or via gifts (can't give away items).
You can upgrade a free account to a paid account with any purchase. Near as I can tell, this means you can create a new account, buy one item (perhaps a key), and you're then allowed to trade said key to your main account, along with all the spare weapons you've picked up. I'm sure there's something hindering people from making dozens of accounts to idle with, but Valve only mentioned tracking hackers using multiple accounts to avoid bans.
Oh, and people who paid for the game previously get a "Proof of Purchase" hat. So, yeah, I guess that formally means even TF2 has TF2 promo items!
Minimum purchase for Steam Wallet is $5. There is no way to buy any item without having at least $5 down
Either I was misinformed, or something has changed. Disregard this.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 23, 2011, 09:40:51 pm
No, the minimum to add is 5$. But in the ingame TF2 store some items are below that, like 99 cent weapons.Haven't seen MtM yet, but saw an article about it being Free to Play (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/24/breaking-team-fortress-2-is-now-free-to-play-forever/). Crazy man.
Wait, what happens to everybody who already bought it?
Just to elaborate a little more: I promise, it loads if you're patient! (http://teamfortress.com/freetoplay/faq.php) (Or, in honour of MtM, if you are a patient.)
Free players can't get cosmetic items from drops - weapons still drop randomly, but hats and the like won't. Free players also only get a 50-slot backpack, can't craft some items (which, we don't yet know, but probably hats are off-limits), and they can only receive items in trades or via gifts (can't give away items).
You can upgrade a free account to a paid account with any purchase. Near as I can tell, this means you can create a new account, buy one item (perhaps a key), and you're then allowed to trade said key to your main account, along with all the spare weapons you've picked up. I'm sure there's something hindering people from making dozens of accounts to idle with, but Valve only mentioned tracking hackers using multiple accounts to avoid bans.
Oh, and people who paid for the game previously get a "Proof of Purchase" hat. So, yeah, I guess that formally means even TF2 has TF2 promo items!
Minimum purchase for Steam Wallet is $5. There is no way to buy any item without having at least $5 down
Post by: Thexor on June 23, 2011, 09:41:34 pm
No, the minimum to add is 5$. But in the ingame TF2 store some items are below that, like 99 cent weapons.Haven't seen MtM yet, but saw an article about it being Free to Play (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/24/breaking-team-fortress-2-is-now-free-to-play-forever/). Crazy man.
Wait, what happens to everybody who already bought it?
Just to elaborate a little more: I promise, it loads if you're patient! (http://teamfortress.com/freetoplay/faq.php) (Or, in honour of MtM, if you are a patient.)
Free players can't get cosmetic items from drops - weapons still drop randomly, but hats and the like won't. Free players also only get a 50-slot backpack, can't craft some items (which, we don't yet know, but probably hats are off-limits), and they can only receive items in trades or via gifts (can't give away items).
You can upgrade a free account to a paid account with any purchase. Near as I can tell, this means you can create a new account, buy one item (perhaps a key), and you're then allowed to trade said key to your main account, along with all the spare weapons you've picked up. I'm sure there's something hindering people from making dozens of accounts to idle with, but Valve only mentioned tracking hackers using multiple accounts to avoid bans.
Oh, and people who paid for the game previously get a "Proof of Purchase" hat. So, yeah, I guess that formally means even TF2 has TF2 promo items!
Minimum purchase for Steam Wallet is $5. There is no way to buy any item without having at least $5 down
...huh, you're right. I could've sworn there was a different option, but I can't see it now. Never mind, $5 it is!
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 23, 2011, 09:43:03 pm
It'll only take HOURS!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 09:46:03 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on June 23, 2011, 09:46:44 pm
3.6 kbps! BOOYAH!More like years, since it would take you about 2.5 seconds to just download a byte.
It'll only take HOURS!
/unfunny joke concerning the difference between bits and bytes
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 23, 2011, 09:49:17 pm
Post by: Darion on June 23, 2011, 09:55:28 pm
I'm gonna kill whoever made it free!
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2011, 09:55:54 pm
Post by: Aklyon on June 23, 2011, 09:58:44 pm
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Post by: Thexor on June 23, 2011, 10:02:53 pm
3.6 kbps! BOOYAH!More like years, since it would take you about 2.5 seconds to just download a byte.
It'll only take HOURS!
/unfunny joke concerning the difference between bits and bytes
???
3.6 kbps would translate to 450 bytes per second, or ~2 seconds for a kilobyte, a far cry from 2.5 seconds for a single byte. It's still slow, sure, but the update was only 497.6 MB, so it would only take ~2 weeks to download. A far cry from 'years', though admittedly still a little high. ;D
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 10:04:15 pm
I'm dashing all over the place taking names and always being at full health.
Post by: Cyahnidde on June 23, 2011, 10:30:08 pm
:-[
Post by: Bdthemag on June 23, 2011, 10:31:39 pm
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2011, 10:33:48 pm
So I, who bought the game 4 years ago. I get nothing? Wonderful! I love it!
No, you get a really, really boring hat. It's like they just grabbed the most generic rejected hat model off the cutting room floor.
So, y'all are crafting the new weapons? So expensive...
Post by: kg333 on June 23, 2011, 10:36:06 pm
So I, who bought the game 4 years ago. I get nothing? Wonderful! I love it!
:-[
The way I view it, TF2 was a freebie in my Half Life 2 pack, so I'm not torn up about it. Along with that little game called Portal they stuck in there.
I haven't played TF2 since the number of available items exploded to the point where you couldn't reasonably get all items without idling. I saw they were going in the microtransaction direction and wanted none of it...if I wanted a F2P shooter, I'd go play Battlefield Heroes. At least they aren't making people pay for both the items and the game at this point.
KG
Post by: Cyahnidde on June 23, 2011, 10:36:38 pm
/end sarcasm.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 10:37:14 pm
So I, who bought the game 4 years ago. I get nothing? Wonderful! I love it!I know right?! If I knew five years ago that after a thousand hours of playing a $10 game they would just up and make it free I wouldn't have bought it in the first place! They have no respect to the loyal gamers who paid good money of $10 to play this! All we get is a hat? It's boring and terrible! Bah!
:-[
Post by: Cyahnidde on June 23, 2011, 10:38:27 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 10:40:20 pm
I wasted 50 days of my life on this.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Cyahnidde on June 23, 2011, 10:45:37 pm
Post by: Aklyon on June 23, 2011, 10:46:32 pm
Did Valve suddenly make semiofficial server things or something?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 10:47:26 pm
This is new.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 23, 2011, 10:48:04 pm
Apparently there are strange weapons now.What do you mean by strange weapons?
This is new.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2011, 10:48:58 pm
I presume it's like strange hats, a cosmetic effect on the weapon.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 23, 2011, 10:49:25 pm
Post by: Vibhor on June 23, 2011, 11:46:44 pm
Game not install.
It stuck "finishing installation".
HALP!
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2011, 11:51:20 pm
They could have even swung 1 random unusual hat for each old player. It wouldn't have been hard for them to do. It is even easier than releasing some Proof Of Purchase hat, and a whole lot cooler.
Except that's a horrible financial strategy. People buy keys for an incredibly slim chance of obtaining an unusual hat. I don't know how many people play TF2, hundreds of thousands? One free unusual hat each, and you'd be saturating the market with your most valuable commodity. The sort of people who care about having an unusual hat won't give two shits about them if everyone's got one.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 24, 2011, 12:05:35 am
Oh well, apparently holiday keys work on regular crates now so I got to paint my alien swarm parasite a color similar to slate.
Post by: The Scout on June 24, 2011, 12:27:27 am
Post by: Bdthemag on June 24, 2011, 12:37:52 am
5 hours? Not a single drop. New people owning my ass. 25 deaths to 5 kills. Went to 30 deaths and 15 kills. Laggy as hell. No drops. No drops.Do what I do and make all of my items by profit trading, then trade all of the items away for something else. Rinse wash and repeat.
Post by: Metalax on June 24, 2011, 12:51:46 am
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on June 24, 2011, 01:02:01 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 24, 2011, 01:03:39 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 24, 2011, 01:04:51 am
Sorry to burst your bubble, but by now most of us should be asleep :P that is if we had day jobs. hahahahaTwo in the morning and zipping around the battlefield~
New sniper rifle is underwhelming. Usually headshots deal enough damage to kill somebody, or at least weaken them enough to make them easy to take down. This headshot counter just makes you overprotective of some fleeting resource while providing a damage boost you never really needed that goes away very quickly. It needs a buff of some sort.
Wheras everything else will get nerfed to hell soon.
Post by: Cyahnidde on June 24, 2011, 01:09:10 am
Wow, I'm super pleased with this update. Valve, you are the coolest developers ever. Don't ever stop, you crazy diamonds.
I assume you didn't but TF2? It's great for you, but now a lot more noobs, griefers, hackers, and everyone you can think of is playing TF2.
Post by: Bitoru on June 24, 2011, 01:11:55 am
2-Play for some minutes
3-??????
4-11 backstabs in one life
IT'S LIKE FREE WEEKENDS, BUT FOREVER
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 24, 2011, 01:17:58 am
Wow, I'm super pleased with this update. Valve, you are the coolest developers ever. Don't ever stop, you crazy diamonds.
I assume you didn't but TF2? It's great for you, but now a lot more noobs, griefers, hackers, and everyone you can think of is playing TF2.
No, I but it about 4 months ago, but the fact that all my friends can play it now too is super awesome. Plus Valve are bringing the game to a wider audience and that's great too. As for griefers and hackers, you don't think Valve didn't think of that? And noobs? Seriously? Grow up. You were new once. To look down upon people cause they're new at the game has always struck me as one of the worst things about the multiplayer scene. It's shameful, childish, and a bunch of other words which are basically my way of dancing around saying shut the hell up and act your age.
Post by: Cyahnidde on June 24, 2011, 01:19:33 am
Wow, I'm super pleased with this update. Valve, you are the coolest developers ever. Don't ever stop, you crazy diamonds.
I assume you didn't but TF2? It's great for you, but now a lot more noobs, griefers, hackers, and everyone you can think of is playing TF2.
No, I but it about 4 months ago, but the fact that all my friends can play it now too is super awesome. Plus Valve are bringing the game to a wider audience and that's great too. As for griefers and hackers, you don't think Valve didn't think of that? And noobs? Seriously? Grow up. You were new once. To look down upon people cause they're new at the game has always struck me as one of the worst things about the multiplayer scene. It's shameful, frankly.
I agree about most of the stuff. It would be nice for my friends, who are reluctant to buy it or otherwise are able to play it with me. I didn't mean people who were new about the game being "noobs" maybe I shouldn't have used that word. I'm talking about sore loosers, people who whine, etc.
Post by: The Scout on June 24, 2011, 01:19:51 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 24, 2011, 01:21:25 am
Wow, I'm super pleased with this update. Valve, you are the coolest developers ever. Don't ever stop, you crazy diamonds.
I assume you didn't but TF2? It's great for you, but now a lot more noobs, griefers, hackers, and everyone you can think of is playing TF2.
No, I but it about 4 months ago, but the fact that all my friends can play it now too is super awesome. Plus Valve are bringing the game to a wider audience and that's great too. As for griefers and hackers, you don't think Valve didn't think of that? And noobs? Seriously? Grow up. You were new once. To look down upon people cause they're new at the game has always struck me as one of the worst things about the multiplayer scene. It's shameful, frankly.
I agree about most of the stuff. It would be nice for my friends, who are reluctant to buy it or otherwise are able to play it with me. I didn't mean people who were new about the game being "noobs" maybe I shouldn't have used that word. I'm talking about sore loosers, people who whine, etc.
All good, those sort of people are annoying, but it's not a deal-breaker for me. I edited my post a bit because it's a topic that actually makes me really angry, but I'm not directing it at you (at least, not now you've clarified your position). Just that there's people who legitimately take that view and it shits me.
It shits me so much.
e: to be less down, I noticed the rockets in Meet the Medic arc. I wonder if that means anything?
Perhaps this has already been mentioned, but it's an interesting concept. A mortar-bazooka? Could that work?
Post by: Cyahnidde on June 24, 2011, 01:25:35 am
Wow, I'm super pleased with this update. Valve, you are the coolest developers ever. Don't ever stop, you crazy diamonds.
I assume you didn't but TF2? It's great for you, but now a lot more noobs, griefers, hackers, and everyone you can think of is playing TF2.
No, I but it about 4 months ago, but the fact that all my friends can play it now too is super awesome. Plus Valve are bringing the game to a wider audience and that's great too. As for griefers and hackers, you don't think Valve didn't think of that? And noobs? Seriously? Grow up. You were new once. To look down upon people cause they're new at the game has always struck me as one of the worst things about the multiplayer scene. It's shameful, frankly.
I agree about most of the stuff. It would be nice for my friends, who are reluctant to buy it or otherwise are able to play it with me. I didn't mean people who were new about the game being "noobs" maybe I shouldn't have used that word. I'm talking about sore loosers, people who whine, etc.
All good, those sort of people are annoying, but it's not a deal-breaker for me. I edited my post a bit because it's a topic that actually makes me really angry, but I'm not directing it at you (at least, not now you've clarified your position). Just that there's people who legitimately take that view and it shits me.
It shits me so much.
Anyways, It's awesome valve did this. I really just wish we got something more than a hat.
Post by: Enzo on June 24, 2011, 01:30:11 am
5 hours? Not a single drop. New people owning my ass. 25 deaths to 5 kills. Went to 30 deaths and 15 kills. Laggy as hell. No drops. No drops.Do what I do and make all of my items by profit trading, then trade all of the items away for something else. Rinse wash and repeat.
Trade servers are unresponsive too. Dude offered me 5 weapons for a kunai, couldn't even get the trade server to work. Tried 3 times. I don't do a lot of trading, but it seems lucrative to trade off all the weapons involved in crafting the new gear now.
Also, Scout, you're complaining that new players are kicking your ass? Seems like it's hard to blame that one on Valve.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 24, 2011, 01:43:13 am
I gave up on selling items (for metal) via tf2items 6 months ago or so - I had put up that I had various items available for scrap metal, and I'd get friend requests, but nobody ever said a word after having their friend request accepted, like they expected me to know who they were and what they wanted or to waste time asking them and waiting for their response, when they could have just said "HI. IN YOUR LISTING THERE IS A VASE WITH THREE FLOWERS. THE THIRD FLOWER IS GREEN. I WOULD LIKE TO BUY IT FOR ONE SCRAP METAL." (Note: Obviously not a real TF2 item) I eventually got irritated at having a bunch of people I didn't know on my friends list, having them not respond to me asking who they were or what they wanted, having no way to simply do a trade easily and quickly without needing to mess with the friends list, etc.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 24, 2011, 02:43:21 am
Also, the crafting server is down, again.
I'm trying to decide whether or not to craft my Brass Beast for a Tomislav.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 24, 2011, 02:44:02 am
Get some playtime in before they nerf the shit outta it.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 24, 2011, 02:55:17 am
By noobs, he means the laggy bastards who insta-kill hit you.
So, snipers?
Also... I doubt they'll give sollies a mortar weapon. Goes too much into demoman territory.
Post by: The Scout on June 24, 2011, 02:57:26 am
DAMN YOU SKILLFUL NOOBS
Post by: Bdthemag on June 24, 2011, 02:59:31 am
Spies, scouts, demomen. Anyone how hits me in the face was an instakill. No crits, just a normal hit. Also, these noobs were crazy good. He rocket hopped across the map, wall jumped. I was scout, and he tried to rocket fling himself towards me, so I double jump away. Right before he hits the ground, he turns towards me and rocket jumps. Hits me mid air with his shovel which crits.Thats an Oxymoron, maybe if your having problems with dying you should improve on the classes you keep getting killed as.
DAMN YOU SKILLFUL NOOBS
Post by: Cthulhu on June 24, 2011, 03:01:22 am
Post by: The Scout on June 24, 2011, 03:03:02 am
And I haven't got a single drop. Not one.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on June 24, 2011, 03:04:24 am
Very cool of Valve to make it free after all of these years, and also very financially devious. Just what I've come to expect from them.
As for the forming controversy over TF2 becoming free: You can complain all you want, but at the end of the day Gabe Newell will still be swimming around in his ocean of 100$ bills.
Post by: Deon on June 24, 2011, 03:13:55 am
Post by: mattie2009 on June 24, 2011, 03:15:00 am
THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc)
Post by: Cthulhu on June 24, 2011, 03:15:13 am
I'm complaining about the fact new people can do that perfectly with standard gear, while not even pros can. And the fact they're all kicking my ass, while I can whoop most Bay12's ass most of the time.
And I haven't got a single drop. Not one.
Sounds like a problem between the chair and monitor. I'm not having any issues with superpowered free players.
Post by: Max White on June 24, 2011, 03:16:12 am
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You Scouts are gonna love this highly collectible bat that smacks baseballs at the other team, stunning the living crap outta anybody dumb, slow, drunk, mute or Australian enough to get in the way
Heh, awesome. Best line ever!
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 24, 2011, 03:29:28 am
I'm complaining about the fact new people can do that perfectly with standard gear, while not even pros can. And the fact they're all kicking my ass, while I can whoop most Bay12's ass most of the time.
And I haven't got a single drop. Not one.
... you do realise
a) a lot of pros do use standard gear
b) flying through the air and shovelling you on the way down after doing multiple successful rocket jumps is a pretty good indication he ISN'T a noob
c) if you get owned by "noobs", you are a noob (note lack of quotation marks).
Post by: The Scout on June 24, 2011, 03:31:32 am
Post by: Sensei on June 24, 2011, 03:32:47 am
Post by: Deon on June 24, 2011, 04:07:53 am
Spies, scouts, demomen. Anyone how hits me in the face was an instakill. No crits, just a normal hit. Also, these noobs were crazy good. He rocket hopped across the map, wall jumped. I was scout, and he tried to rocket fling himself towards me, so I double jump away. Right before he hits the ground, he turns towards me and rocket jumps. Hits me mid air with his shovel which crits.Do you realize that rocket jumps were back in Quake and Quake 2? Also, while it's different, skills from the old HL2 deathmatch still work here.
DAMN YOU SKILLFUL NOOBS
I have nothing to say about instakills though. Haven't seen any yet.
Post by: Enzo on June 24, 2011, 04:24:30 am
I haven't played in quite a while, I'm trying to decide if this is the best or worst time to get back in...
Well, I wouldn't recommend it tonight, as the update-rush means all the servers are full, people are dicking around with the new weapons, loadouts are flickering on and off, and crafting and trades aren't working most of the time.
Besides that, people seem to be making this out to be more than it is. There have always been skilled and unskilled players. Free availability shouldn't be a huge paradigm shift in the long term, in the short term it will only result in more beginner level players.
I don't know what the hell The Scout is talking about. Sounds like he's having a bad night and is blaming Free TF2.
Post by: RF on June 24, 2011, 05:01:52 am
Post by: Derekristow on June 24, 2011, 05:59:58 am
I wonder why can't I equip items I've got from training. Is it because I've got a free account? :)The item servers have gone down in the rush of new / returning players. No one can change out any of their items.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 24, 2011, 06:02:36 am
Post by: Jar of Jam on June 24, 2011, 06:26:26 am
Post by: Blargityblarg on June 24, 2011, 06:28:21 am
Post by: Dr. D on June 24, 2011, 07:22:47 am
Post by: Shadowlord on June 24, 2011, 07:28:42 am
Post by: UltraValican on June 24, 2011, 07:46:08 am
Edit-for morning typos and general laziness, I was in a hurry when i was typing this and for some reason didn't feel like looking up the last few posts please excuse my idiocy. Holy crap I just finished reading this after some coffe....I should stay away from the internet in the morning.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 24, 2011, 07:49:00 am
Post by: RF on June 24, 2011, 07:54:40 am
Is the gamer really free to play I saw a rather official looking "meet the medic" and at the end they anounced tf3 would be free to play and I checked steam and it says its free to play now...I'm just checking to verify.
What even.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 24, 2011, 08:03:32 am
Is the gamer really free to play ... they anounced tf3 would be free to play and I checked steam and it says its free to play now...
Your temporal modem is glitching. What are you doing on the Internet, anyways? Don't you have an apocalypse to deal with?
Post by: Metalax on June 24, 2011, 10:08:33 am
The demos new sword and shield are great fun charging around everywhere, and you can now charge while underwater.
Post by: breadbocks on June 24, 2011, 10:16:27 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 24, 2011, 10:19:42 am
The demos new sword and shield are great fun charging around everywhere, and you can now charge while underwater.In the air, on the ground, underwater, everywhere.
You are a beast underwater too because the momentum doesn't go away.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 24, 2011, 10:38:11 am
Spoiler: Meet the Medic spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Aklyon on June 24, 2011, 10:53:01 am
So, no distinction will be made between those who bought the game and those who downloaded it for free ? It may actually be a good idea.Everyone who had something (or just bought the game) Got a meh hat and automatic Premium Account (which is the same as what you had before, if I'm looking at it right (http://www.teamfortress.com/freetoplay/faq.php))
Post by: Nistenf on June 24, 2011, 10:54:31 am
Post by: Deon on June 24, 2011, 03:10:32 pm
Also you were talking about a sword and a shield... Are these special items with special effects which you get only when you are premium?
Post by: Akigagak on June 24, 2011, 03:13:42 pm
What are the hats for? Just cool looks?
Also you were talking about a sword and a shield... Are these special items with special effects which you get only when you are premium?
The opposite, actually. The only reason to upgrade is if you want to wear the stupid hats. Free-to-players can still get the weapon drops.
Hell, they're more likely too, what with no hats to swing the RNG to giving them something useless.
Post by: Enzo on June 24, 2011, 03:16:47 pm
What are the hats for? Just cool looks?
Also you were talking about a sword and a shield... Are these special items with special effects which you get only when you are premium?
I believe only Premium players have access to hats. And yeah, they have no impact on gameplay. It's just cool to wear a purple pirate hat into battle.
All the weapons, however, are dropped randomly or gained through achievements whether or not you're a Free player. Some drastically alter playstyle, like the Demo's swords and shields, which let you charge and decapitate people at the cost of your stickybombs. Most of the premium players have a lot of weapons already, so it'll take a while for the free players to catch up.
Ninja'd but whatever.
Post by: kilakan on June 24, 2011, 03:20:11 pm
Post by: Enzo on June 24, 2011, 03:22:40 pm
Post by: Tilla on June 24, 2011, 03:40:44 pm
Spoiler: Meet the Medic spoiler (click to show/hide)
Dude, for months they already had pigeons bursting out of the Scout's gibs on death. This just explains that.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 24, 2011, 04:12:11 pm
Post by: ExKirby on June 24, 2011, 04:21:11 pm
In other news, has anyone been on a Balloon Race? If you haven't, think two blimps-one red, one blue-powered by players standing at the wheel. You ned to get to a Control Point and cap it to get to the next point and cause your opponents delays etc. First balloon to make the lap wins. I find it amusing just as a Brass Beast Heavy just standing by the wheel going ratatatatata and scoring bucketloads of assists. Even funnier when some guy got the soldier to say (using voice) "THIS IS MY FRILLY TRAINING BRA. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN MY FRILLY TRAINING BRA." and the Scout going on about Pancakes. Hilarious.
Post by: Sensei on June 24, 2011, 04:42:57 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 24, 2011, 04:52:17 pm
Well, it looks like I can still hold my own on the DFC server. In other news, does anyone want a vintage chargin' targe? I have three. So, two up for trade.Vintage weapons are worth twice the amount of a normal weapon, so that totals up to one scrap metal :P Now if it was a numbered on that was either 0 or 100 then it would be worth alot.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 24, 2011, 04:57:20 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 24, 2011, 04:58:38 pm
I absolutely despised the whole concept of the hats. I have worn Bills hat on occasion because I like the minimalist style, but most of the time I'm wearing the default hat. So all I get for being a longtime customer is a feature I don't use? There has to be something more than that.
(P.S. Yes I loved the game before the hats, and before there was umteen million unlockable weapons. I haven't been playing much lately, not hard to find out why.)
Post by: Dermonster on June 24, 2011, 05:02:57 pm
MEET THE SANDVICH WAS FROM THE BLU SPY'S PERSPECTIVE!
Post by: PTTG?? on June 24, 2011, 05:20:31 pm
So let me get this straight, the people who bought the game get to use hats...and that's it?
I absolutely despised the whole concept of the hats. I have worn Bills hat on occasion because I like the minimalist style, but most of the time I'm wearing the default hat. So all I get for being a longtime customer is a feature I don't use? There has to be something more than that.
(P.S. Yes I loved the game before the hats, and before there was umteen million unlockable weapons. I haven't been playing much lately, not hard to find out why.)
So you're upset... because you didn't get anything for free for the game you don't play anymore?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 24, 2011, 05:23:42 pm
OH GODOh my god.
MEET THE SANDVICH WAS FROM THE BLU SPY'S PERSPECTIVE!
Oh
My god
Post by: Vherid on June 24, 2011, 05:28:16 pm
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The Strange quality was introduced alongside the Uber update, available through unboxing a series 19 and onward crate. They have a kill count that shows the total amount of kills obtained with the weapon. The items will have their name changed dependant on how many kills the weapon has. For instance, after getting ten kills the gun will change from 'Strange' to 'Unremarkable'.
That's pretty sick.
Post by: Tilla on June 24, 2011, 05:29:13 pm
So let me get this straight, the people who bought the game get to use hats...and that's it?
I absolutely despised the whole concept of the hats. I have worn Bills hat on occasion because I like the minimalist style, but most of the time I'm wearing the default hat. So all I get for being a longtime customer is a feature I don't use? There has to be something more than that.
(P.S. Yes I loved the game before the hats, and before there was umteen million unlockable weapons. I haven't been playing much lately, not hard to find out why.)
Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Post by: Vherid on June 24, 2011, 05:30:57 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 24, 2011, 05:34:14 pm
Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
So you're upset... because you didn't get anything for free for the game you don't play anymore?Yea pretty much, after thinking about it it seems kinda silly.
It was probably more of a "When I do go back to playing everybody will just think I'm another free to play noob because I'm not wearing any hats." But even then I still have my shiny badge so I guess that's irrelevant too.
Continue with your regularly scheduled discussing.
Post by: Metalax on June 24, 2011, 06:42:42 pm
Also as the f2p can't have hats, this also means that they cannot get the set bonuses for most of the weapon sets that include a hat.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 24, 2011, 07:10:59 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on June 24, 2011, 07:19:33 pm
Everybody's getting cool drops lately but me, all I got was gloves of running urgently (Although I did use them to craft the hibernating bear, which helps mitigate the Tomislav's lower DPS from firerate.)
Post by: Soulwynd on June 24, 2011, 07:29:19 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 24, 2011, 07:32:39 pm
One class hat for each class, buncha event ones. Spy doesn't have a class hat so he gets stuck with a camerabeard and Gibus for the most ramshackle looking spy out there.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 24, 2011, 07:37:16 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 24, 2011, 09:19:29 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 24, 2011, 10:02:25 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 24, 2011, 10:12:57 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 24, 2011, 10:45:33 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 24, 2011, 10:46:07 pm
Actually, I once found 2 hats after one life. I was sooo happy. Then I realized that BOTH HATS WERE HATLESS ENGINEERS. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu-Craft them together, hopefully get something that isn't hatless.
Post by: dragonshardz on June 24, 2011, 10:49:10 pm
As for the whole "Hi, you paid for this, here's a hat" thing, I really think that getting a hat, a fucking cosmetic item of no real worth, is kinda a raw deal. I would've preferred each player (who bought the game before the uber update) getting a random rare item instead of/in addition to the hat. As it stands, I really don't think the advantages a paid player has over a free player are worth the $20 I spent to buy this game.
That said, I'll keep playing, because I really enjoy this game. I'd like to see there be more distinct advantages to being a paid player, though. A larger backpack and getting hat drops really doesn't strike as being worth very much. Hell, I'd even accept something like an improved drop rate for items or a better chance of rare items or, hell, maybe free keys for all those crates.
Basically, I'd like to see something of demonstrable worth given to those who bought the game. Not just spent money on items, but actually bought the game. I don't care what it is, but as it stands, hats and a bigger backpack strikes me as a pretty shitty reward for buying the game.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 24, 2011, 10:58:52 pm
Unless you bought the game this year, then yeah they probably should have given everyone who bought the game like $10 of store credit.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 24, 2011, 11:07:27 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 24, 2011, 11:08:22 pm
Some free keys would have been nice. I don't think I ever did get a holiday key.Congradulations! You are this threads 6,000th poster! You are entitled to one free hat from someone in the thread!
Post by: Shadowlord on June 24, 2011, 11:12:16 pm
Post by: userpay on June 24, 2011, 11:21:30 pm
And you guys have any estimates on how long it'll take before the lag is dealt with? Being new to the game I've got no idea how quick they are to deal with issues like that.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 24, 2011, 11:29:47 pm
Now do you still get hat drops even if you can't wear them if your a free player?I think that since you can't use them, you can't get them off of drops. But then again you don't see hats drop alot, so its hard to tell.
And you guys have any estimates on how long it'll take before the lag is dealt with? Being new to the game I've got no idea how quick they are to deal with issues like that.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 24, 2011, 11:43:14 pm
Now do you still get hat drops even if you can't wear them if your a free player?
And you guys have any estimates on how long it'll take before the lag is dealt with? Being new to the game I've got no idea how quick they are to deal with issues like that.
You mean like in-game lag? The game's played on private servers, it's not TF2's fault.
Post by: userpay on June 25, 2011, 12:04:40 am
Now do you still get hat drops even if you can't wear them if your a free player?
And you guys have any estimates on how long it'll take before the lag is dealt with? Being new to the game I've got no idea how quick they are to deal with issues like that.
You mean like in-game lag? The game's played on private servers, it's not TF2's fault.
Huh, well shows how much I know I suppose. Only been in one online game so far and everyone else was reporting lag to. Maybe it is my computer thats to blame for some of the choppiness if the offline sessions are anything to go by. Though not quite sure why it needs to connect to the servers if its 'offline'...
Post by: Soulwynd on June 25, 2011, 12:05:42 am
Post by: Realmfighter on June 25, 2011, 12:06:03 am
I was okay with it because I had already turned the first one into a Tomislov by that point.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 25, 2011, 12:12:05 am
Post by: Enzo on June 25, 2011, 12:57:54 am
Only been in one online game so far and everyone else was reporting lag to. Maybe it is my computer thats to blame for some of the choppiness if the offline sessions are anything to go by.
Well, if it was one time and everyone else noticed it, it's reasonable to blame that specific server. Otherwise, it's possible it's your computer, but TF2 doesn't need anything too high-end to run nicely.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 01:16:59 am
Also, I hate vintage items. I'll never use half this shit but I can't bring myself to craft it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 25, 2011, 01:20:31 am
Also, I hate vintage items. I'll never use half this shit but I can't bring myself to craft it.It's handy, I'll never accidentally craft all of a version of a weapon, so I'll always have the option of using it.
But the crafting menu sometimes puts the vintage item at the top of the 'stack', so I have to be on my toes about it.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on June 25, 2011, 01:21:54 am
Post by: Bdthemag on June 25, 2011, 01:25:52 am
So yes, people pay alot of money for virtual items.
Post by: breadbocks on June 25, 2011, 02:26:32 am
I got a strange Chargin Targe.
Not only is Demo my least favorite class, I can't even level the piece of shit up. QQ
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 25, 2011, 02:27:28 am
Funny how a few syllables can make me value something over something else even when both have no real value.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 25, 2011, 02:29:51 am
I originally got a really twingy feeling when I was asked for a genuine portal 2 badge during a trade that happened to be vintage. I then realized I never wore it anyway and didn't need to brag about owning Portal 2 and I traded it, but the fact that it was genuine actually made me pause.Bah, those weren't even that valuable when they first came out. I got a bunch of them from trading and couldn't get rid of them after for anything good. Everyone bought Portal 2 so everyone had them, therefore its not worth much.
Funny how a few syllables can make me value something over something else even when both have no real value.
Post by: Neyvn on June 25, 2011, 02:37:21 am
Meanwhile at Valve... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kMdNkAcQx8)PFFT!!!!
Family looking at me funny...
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 25, 2011, 02:38:36 am
Same thing when I traded away my genuine Kunai for like three weapons. I paused then too, but I already had three other Kunais from random drops. What difference does a bit of green highlighting make? A lot, for some people, apparently.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 25, 2011, 02:39:07 am
Yes I know, the merging of both Monty Python and Team Fortress 2 is quite remarkable.Meanwhile at Valve... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kMdNkAcQx8)PFFT!!!!
Family looking at me funny...
Post by: Shadowlord on June 25, 2011, 02:43:20 am
I bought it from a real store a few weeks later when it went on sale. Valve never put it on sale at that price, and even if they had, it wouldn't have come with that.
Post by: ExKirby on June 25, 2011, 03:20:08 am
I have portal 2 and I don't have one, because of Valve's policy of "We only give these things to you if you pre-order, and only if you pre-order from us. :D"I can prove your point wrong. A while back, when a Sam and Max game was released on Telltale and people pre-ordered there, Steam also put it up on their system with a free gun pair. After a bit, all who ordered on Telltale got the free weapons as well.
I bought it from a real store a few weeks later when it went on sale. Valve never put it on sale at that price, and even if they had, it wouldn't have come with that.
So yeah, in that one case, you didn't need to order via Steam.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 25, 2011, 03:27:09 am
So yeah, in that one case, you didn't need to order via Steam.
Which doesn't suddenly mean that Valve will give out pre-order bonuses for pre-ordering things from every other store, so my point still stands unless they've been quietly giving them out for anyone and everyone pre-ordering games from Amazon, Gamestop, Best Buy, etc.
Post by: Metalax on June 25, 2011, 04:20:10 am
1564 hours and 57 hats here.
I opened my first crate.
I got a strange Chargin Targe.
Not only is Demo my least favorite class, I can't even level the piece of shit up. QQ
sure you can, get charge kills ;-)
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 08:15:13 am
Post by: Strange guy on June 25, 2011, 09:12:29 am
Post by: breadbocks on June 25, 2011, 09:33:01 am
sure you can, get charge kills ;-)How?!?! All charging does is send me flying forwards and crit me. It doesn't actually do damage. The kills would go to my melee weapon.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 25, 2011, 09:38:40 am
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 25, 2011, 09:51:43 am
And yet, it was green, and that made me pause.
Same thing when I traded away my genuine Kunai for like three weapons. I paused then too, but I already had three other Kunais from random drops. What difference does a bit of green highlighting make? A lot, for some people, apparently.
The very fact that it is differentiated from other weapons is enough for many. O'course, it's not like it'll stab harder or anything.
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 10:06:03 am
Crates are pretty much worthless, I think keys go for around 2-3 reclaimed so that's at least 6 scrap or 12 weapons and crates used to go for a weapon to a scrap. No idea what they are worth now, but probably a lot less than a scrap. So the answer is more crates than you can fit in the trading window (unless valve extended it recently, but I don't think they have).I have about 3o.... is that enough for a key?
Post by: RF on June 25, 2011, 10:36:20 am
Post by: Strange guy on June 25, 2011, 10:46:39 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 25, 2011, 11:26:00 am
Spy backstab with knife. I backstab with boolit.
Post by: mattie2009 on June 25, 2011, 12:05:26 pm
I have, however, been yet to get a Strange weapon.
A Strange Sandvich would be weird. Level up for Sandviches eaten?
Post by: userpay on June 25, 2011, 01:16:18 pm
Only been in one online game so far and everyone else was reporting lag to. Maybe it is my computer thats to blame for some of the choppiness if the offline sessions are anything to go by.
Well, if it was one time and everyone else noticed it, it's reasonable to blame that specific server. Otherwise, it's possible it's your computer, but TF2 doesn't need anything too high-end to run nicely.
Well tried a few other games which were laggy, then I stumbled upon one game that was lag free. Thing is only snipers were allowed so I'm not sure if that would have an impact or not. Also don't underestimate how old/crappy this computer is.
Also I can confirm that non-payers can in fact wear hats, got a hat from an achievement (the gibs one?) and was wearing it.
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 01:17:30 pm
User, can you craft hats?
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 01:37:47 pm
I'm wondering if anyone will get enough kills for a Hale's Own strange weapon.
I have, however, been yet to get a Strange weapon.
A Strange Sandvich would be weird. Level up for Sandviches eaten?
I have a strange sticky launcher I'll trade you.
That goes for the rest of you too. Strange sticky launcher.
I also have a strange chargin' targe but you'll need to add a regular targe to the trade. I kind of need one and I'm not really interested in a strange one.
I want a strange eyelander. It just fits, you know
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 01:41:55 pm
The Rift Well Spun code is yours, if you want. I can't use it.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 01:52:34 pm
How about those gunboats? I'll craft'em into Mantreads and craft those into Ali Baba's Wee Booties.
Remember when Demoman blew stuff up? Yeah, me neither.
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 01:53:24 pm
What's your Steam name?
Post by: breadbocks on June 25, 2011, 01:57:09 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 01:57:36 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 02:01:10 pm
I think my profile is Muffles.Only Muffles I see is a naked chick. Are you part of the Steam Group?
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 02:05:01 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 02:06:12 pm
Yes.Yes to being the chick, or the group?
What's your steam name?
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 02:07:13 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 25, 2011, 02:11:28 pm
Digging all the good stuff that came from the replay system rework.
I normally play on the SA servers, last time I went on the DFC server there was a guy who got perfect headshots with the ambassador every time. I'm not gonna fuck around with that.
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 25, 2011, 02:12:50 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 02:16:44 pm
It only gets traffic during an event.
Post by: breadbocks on June 25, 2011, 02:19:36 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 02:21:35 pm
Is IP. Join at 3:30 Eastern Time.
Post by: breadbocks on June 25, 2011, 02:31:58 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 02:45:39 pm
Killan ev'rbody
Post by: kilakan on June 25, 2011, 03:16:15 pm
Post by: userpay on June 25, 2011, 03:32:31 pm
Level up for healing, to the sandvich.
User, can you craft hats?
No idea, I've only got 1 hat and like two weapons so far so I haven't tried yet.
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 25, 2011, 03:39:12 pm
sooo many terrible players now that it's free, I just got 32 points, as a spy, on a king of the hill map, using a kunai, in one life.... I think half my kills were pyros and scouts too.
I was worried about exactly that when I heard the news. I really do hope it'll get better over time.
Post by: breadbocks on June 25, 2011, 03:45:06 pm
Post by: Thexor on June 25, 2011, 04:08:05 pm
No, it's not going to get better. The new players are going to complain that the skilled players "hax" and cheat and get the good players banned.
Given that almost no server owners fall into the 'new player' category, I think your statement is at best a serious over-generalization. The few servers where moronic admins would ban someone based on hearsay and all-caps-laden accusations are not servers you want to play on anyways. :P
Moreover, I can all but guarantee that things will improve over time. Just at the moment, everybody out there is trying out TF2 for the first time. As time passes, some of these players will leave; the players that don't leave will, inevitably, improve. And, as with everything, the influx of new players will peter out after a month or two, leaving us yet again with a stable userbase of more-or-less competent players.
Post by: MrWiggles on June 25, 2011, 04:25:46 pm
Srsly, we all sucked at one time.
How you get better is by playing.
Maybe instead bitching, provide pointers?
And if they're douches. Then fucking rape them.
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 04:31:03 pm
The new people are getting less leet. It's nice to have new people, instead of the all the demo knights everywhere, with 150 kills in one life.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 25, 2011, 04:46:07 pm
Post by: Thexor on June 25, 2011, 05:48:28 pm
Seriously: the Katana fully heals you after every kill. The only 'drawback' is instakill vulnerability... and if you're any good with melee, enemy Katana users are just a free full health kit waiting to be grabbed. ;)
Throw in a shield on top (even better, the new shield and boots!), and you've got a god walking around poorly-equipped, squishy mortals.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 25, 2011, 05:51:23 pm
The Pain Train crits a hilarious amount, so I often end up critting literally everybody on the point.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 25, 2011, 05:54:08 pm
Sorry, Thexor, but when it comes to being a knight, none can compete with the Painknight.The Pain Train doesn't have a higher chance at critting, unless I missed an update or something. The Pain train sucks because the additional capture rate isn't need, and you take more bullet damage.
The Pain Train crits a hilarious amount, so I often end up critting literally everybody on the point.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 25, 2011, 05:54:57 pm
Post by: Thexor on June 25, 2011, 06:02:03 pm
Sorry, Thexor, but when it comes to being a knight, none can compete with the Painknight.The Pain Train doesn't have a higher chance at critting, unless I missed an update or something. The Pain train sucks because the additional capture rate isn't need, and you take more bullet damage.
The Pain Train crits a hilarious amount, so I often end up critting literally everybody on the point.
Also, last I checked, "bullet damage" equals "melee damage". The Pain Train has the standard crit chance (no bonus there), and causes you to take 10% more damage from almost every attack in Medieval Mode, in exchange for a doubled capture rate.
So, no. Demoknight FTW. :P
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 06:05:38 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 25, 2011, 06:10:20 pm
Hah, I should take a video for you guys, then. You'd be suprised at how much it seems like the thing crits.Sorry, Thexor, but when it comes to being a knight, none can compete with the Painknight.The Pain Train doesn't have a higher chance at critting, unless I missed an update or something. The Pain train sucks because the additional capture rate isn't need, and you take more bullet damage.
The Pain Train crits a hilarious amount, so I often end up critting literally everybody on the point.
Also, last I checked, "bullet damage" equals "melee damage". The Pain Train has the standard crit chance (no bonus there), and causes you to take 10% more damage from almost every attack in Medieval Mode, in exchange for a doubled capture rate.
So, no. Demoknight FTW. :P
I never even notice the damage increase, be it from bullet or melee, anyways. I'm normally one-shotted or on fire half the time anyways
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 25, 2011, 06:36:05 pm
I will vouch for the new sword over the Katana though. Dash everywhere and heal because dropped melee weapons are not picked up by other melee users.
Post by: Nilocy on June 25, 2011, 06:39:41 pm
Just spamming as many channels as I can.
Post by: Neyvn on June 25, 2011, 06:44:13 pm
MAJOR POINT : WEAR AN EPIC LOOKING HAT!!! It says you know what your doing...
Step one. Pick Engineer
Step two. Build Teleport Entrances at the start paths they SHOULD NOT BE TAKING, Noobs will instinctavily use Teleporters. Naturally Build the exit where they should go.
Step three. Build the Dispenser. Chances are no one is going medic, its up to you to heal.
Step four. Build Sentry
Step five. Now that your set up, COACH Them via voice chat or text chat, sometimes you will be having "I can do it myself" folk who still fail but ignore them...
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 07:26:12 pm
I fucking hate that.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 25, 2011, 07:34:23 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 07:38:49 pm
Mantreads need refined metal. I need 6 more scrap.
Fuck you, everything.
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 07:41:19 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 07:42:46 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 25, 2011, 07:44:48 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 07:45:53 pm
Want stuff.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 07:47:06 pm
But yeah, that sounds like a good trade.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 25, 2011, 07:48:52 pm
♪ I've got a submarine, you've got gasoline, I don't want to talk about wars between nations. ♪ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcDNilZbZg8)
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 07:59:41 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 25, 2011, 08:03:46 pm
Nvm that I probably don't have any stuff you'd be interested in.
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 08:06:18 pm
After hearing(reading?) the rant about it in the chat, I'd rather not.What's your steam name? I dislike all scout secondary weapons, cause I only use the Bonk Energu Drink.
Nvm that I probably don't have any stuff you'd be interested in.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 25, 2011, 08:12:23 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 25, 2011, 08:17:49 pm
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 25, 2011, 08:19:59 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 25, 2011, 08:20:09 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 08:22:07 pm
I know I got pretty much nothing, but anyone interested in swapping something? http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197984397622You got no weapons I want, and you have less then Cthulu. Better luck next time.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 25, 2011, 08:37:58 pm
Post by: breadbocks on June 25, 2011, 08:50:26 pm
I know I got pretty much nothing, but anyone interested in swapping something? http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197984397622EEeehhh... I'll trade you either a Shortstop or a Crusader Crossbow for the Southern Hospitality.
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 25, 2011, 09:00:53 pm
Post by: kilakan on June 25, 2011, 09:10:59 pm
here's my backpack, any duplicates are for trade.
I'll trade you a backburner or gunslinger for that bushwhacka
I'd trade you a scottish resistance and a pain train for that The Enforcer
Your_doom
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 25, 2011, 09:26:42 pm
I'll trade you a backburner or gunslinger for that bushwhacka
Deal. Man, both items seem cool. I think I'll go with the backburner as I play a ton of pyro. Damn hard choice, uff.
I'd trade you a scottish resistance and a pain train for that The Enforcer
Hmmm, would it be possible to get the axtinguisher instead of the pain train? I still accept the deal, but I'd prefer the axe if possible.
I'll contact you tomorrow ( or today, depending on midnight jokes :D ) for the swap... Thanks.
Post by: kilakan on June 25, 2011, 09:38:45 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2011, 09:47:20 pm
Everything except my Vintage, Strange and named items are for trade. Especially the winger.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 25, 2011, 11:06:01 pm
Post by: umiman on June 26, 2011, 01:31:48 am
I also really don't know like 80% of these items. There's just too much to know for a casual player. I can only aim my gun at someone and hope that's the correct response for whatever gear he's equipping.
Post by: The Scout on June 26, 2011, 01:40:01 am
I have a quick-fix up for trade, preferably for a liberty launcher/tomislav/pursuader if anybody is interested.Too bad I don't haev that stuff.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 26, 2011, 01:46:26 am
I really can't play engie unless I have my mini sentry. It's so weird.Don't worry, they make it fairly obvious. Scout running around only firing two shots every few seconds? Thats a FaN scout. Demoman charing at you with a shield? Charge n' Targe. You'll get used to it.
I also really don't know like 80% of these items. There's just too much to know for a casual player. I can only aim my gun at someone and hope that's the correct response for whatever gear he's equipping.
Also, its awesome being able to finally say this to the surge of new players.
BACK IN MY DAY THE CHARGE N TARGE WAS TEAM COLORED!
Post by: umiman on June 26, 2011, 01:56:37 am
Post by: Bdthemag on June 26, 2011, 01:57:23 am
Back in my day there was only the starting equipment and no hats.Back in my day we had the civilian class.
Post by: breadbocks on June 26, 2011, 02:01:19 am
Actually, 2 shots is equally likely a popper.I really can't play engie unless I have my mini sentry. It's so weird.Don't worry, they make it fairly obvious. Scout running around only firing two shots every few seconds? Thats a FaN scout. Demoman charing at you with a shield? Charge n' Targe. You'll get used to it.
I also really don't know like 80% of these items. There's just too much to know for a casual player. I can only aim my gun at someone and hope that's the correct response for whatever gear he's equipping.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 26, 2011, 02:03:54 am
And the basic idea stays the same: don't let scouts get close.
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 26, 2011, 09:36:31 am
a Crusader Crossbow for the Southern Hospitality
Deal.
edit: traded the soda popper.
I'm YouR_DooM in the steam group btw
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 26, 2011, 01:31:18 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: userpay on June 26, 2011, 01:33:41 pm
And methinks I've narrowed down my lag issues to map size, still attempting some tweaks on my end to make things run smoother. Does anyone have tweaks they use to get better FPS?
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 26, 2011, 01:33:54 pm
Still, damn sweet, especially considering that you were an engineer on the attacking side instead of the defending side.
Post by: Metalax on June 26, 2011, 01:34:38 pm
FEEEEEEAR MEEEEEEE!Heh that was one of my best runs as spy for a long time. All the new people don't really pay attention for spies and most don't realise what the dead ringer does. :PSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 26, 2011, 01:42:30 pm
Also, mini-turret ftw :D
Post by: Greiger on June 26, 2011, 01:58:26 pm
I saw ya userpay, you do lag really really REALLY hard it seems. Maybe your firewall dosn't like TF2?
Post by: Darvi on June 26, 2011, 02:01:49 pm
FEEEEEEAR MEEEEEEE!You... uh.. what... Org? What's the guy doing there?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: userpay on June 26, 2011, 02:38:13 pm
...I still had a higher score than you :P because we all know score is the only important factor.
I saw ya userpay, you do lag really really REALLY hard it seems. Maybe your firewall dosn't like TF2?
I don't think its that. Theres been one server where I've had no lag (out of at least a dozen servers I've tried so far) at all and that server you could only play as sniper and the maps were smaller. I'm thinking tonight or tomorrow I'll finish going misc clean up on my computer and try disabling Norton before playing.
Post by: Akigagak on June 26, 2011, 02:53:02 pm
FEEEEEEAR MEEEEEEE!You... uh.. what... Org? What's the guy doing there?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's the DFC server?
Post by: Metalax on June 26, 2011, 03:00:37 pm
Backpack: http://www.tf2items.com/id/metalax (http://www.tf2items.com/id/metalax)
Contact me at: http://steamcommunity.com/id/metalax (http://steamcommunity.com/id/metalax)
Everything on the first page and all the crates on the second are up for trade.
I'm looking for the weapons on this list for use in crafting the new weapons. Kunai, L'Etranger, Homewrecker, Bonk, FAN, Bushwacker, GRU, Flaregun, Crossbow, Milk, Jarate x6. I'l swap these for any of the regular weapons on the first page.
The vintage weapons are for any 3 random weapons, the tomislav is for 2 reclaimed or 1 reclaimed and 3-4 of the weapons on my looking for list,
Name tags and paints are 1 reclaimed each, the duel game is 1 scrap.
The officers ushanka is for pretty much any other hat that I don't already have or 2 refined.
Crates are 8 for 1 scrap.
Post by: The Scout on June 26, 2011, 03:55:09 pm
Post by: Myroc on June 26, 2011, 04:06:22 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on June 26, 2011, 04:19:31 pm
http://www.tf2items.com/id/trafalgar
And some vintage weapons on page 2. I'd be willing to trade stuff on pages 1-2 for anything I don't have, or for metal (let's say 2 scrap per non-vintage item, since I expect the value has gone up due to the influx of new players who don't have many items yet).
(The stuff on page 3-6 are not for trade.)
At this time I have available:
(2) The scotsman's skullcutter
The wrangler
Gloves of running urgently
L'Etranger
The Razorback
The Sandman
The Equalizer
The Eyelander
The Direct Hit
(4) The Vintage Razorback
The Vintage Scottish Resistance
(2) The Vintage Direct Hit
Vintage Bonk! Atomic Punch
The Vintage Sandvich
Vintage Frontier Justice
(9) Supply Crates from series 1, series 2, series 4, and apparently a series 18.
... Of course if you have a free account there's no way to trade with you, I suppose.
Post by: Metalax on June 26, 2011, 04:39:32 pm
Got a Homewrecker and the crossbow. Normal weapons on the first page? Could I get that Tomislav for both, seeing you have another?
The tomislav is 2 reclaimed(or 1 reclaimed and 3-4 of the weapons on my looking for list). Didn't explain myself very well, by normal weapons I meant pre uber update weapons sorry.
Post by: Greiger on June 26, 2011, 04:40:48 pm
http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197989969030
I have a bunch of old vintage items mostly. Looking for some stuff for the pyro or soldier mostly. Theres some molten axe that sets people on fire for the pyro that is of particular interest to me.
Spoiler: Summary of duplicates for trade (click to show/hide)
Post by: Aklyon on June 26, 2011, 05:20:56 pm
http://www.tf2items.com/id/aklyonx
I don't have much, but my friend gave me the token after he found out there wasn't any a sniper hats he wanted.
Post by: dragonshardz on June 26, 2011, 05:26:30 pm
Spoiler: Trade Item Summary (click to show/hide)
Post by: Nistenf on June 26, 2011, 05:53:14 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on June 26, 2011, 06:29:29 pm
I also have basically nothing to trade,
Axetinquisher, Vita saw, buff banner, description tag, and a #21 crate.
But yeah, if anyone wants any of that, feel free to trade me.
Post by: Neyvn on June 26, 2011, 07:57:12 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on June 26, 2011, 07:59:01 pm
Since the minimum steam funds thing is 5.00 I also bought a key for one of these chests I have lying around.
Strange minigun.
Fuck yes.
Post by: Astral on June 26, 2011, 08:00:11 pm
Now they're fairly viable. I play pyro a lot too.
Post by: dogstile on June 26, 2011, 10:16:28 pm
Post by: HLBeta on June 26, 2011, 10:20:48 pm
Spoiler: Trading stuff (click to show/hide)
Post by: breadbocks on June 26, 2011, 10:35:02 pm
Post by: Aklyon on June 26, 2011, 10:36:56 pm
Well, more metal for me I suppose.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 26, 2011, 10:38:38 pm
See, the problem with the cancer that is killingThose same "odds" are on the enemy team as well./b/TF2 is that they are on your team. I've played a dozen rounds where I got fucked over by newfags only playing spy, soldier, and heavy. All of which are completely useless without support.
Post by: breadbocks on June 26, 2011, 10:40:40 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 26, 2011, 10:41:17 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 26, 2011, 10:47:14 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 26, 2011, 10:52:43 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 26, 2011, 10:52:57 pm
I'm actually getting pissed off at people bitching about any amount of new players trying out TF2. They're just playing the game since it's available to them now for free. I know I would want to play it to see if I enjoyed it. They don't choose to go on your team specifically that's just your damn imagination and the 'new' way to blame people for your inability to cope with loss. If I really had a problem playing with this "huge influx" of new people I would just lay low for a week and cool the fuck down.Theres a difference between new people, and the extremely stupid new people. Im sure they're mainly talking about the ones that go "hurp derp who needs a tutorial?" and go around acting like a generally dumbass.
Post by: Patchouli on June 26, 2011, 11:14:24 pm
I score low even against bots.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 26, 2011, 11:18:08 pm
Post by: Patchouli on June 26, 2011, 11:21:34 pm
Post by: breadbocks on June 26, 2011, 11:24:12 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 26, 2011, 11:26:16 pm
I'm still waiting on Engies to get a massive update again.Have fun waiting for that.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 26, 2011, 11:52:17 pm
See, the problem with the cancer that is killing/b/TF2 is that they are on your team. I've played a dozen rounds where I got fucked over by newfags only playing spy, soldier, and heavy. All of which are completely useless without support.
Virtually anyone playing spy isn't contributing as effectively to the team as they could be if they were playing another class, whether they're new or not. As for soldiers, with a Direct Hit you can gib almost everyone you meet from the enemy team as long as they don't get close enough to cut your head off with a half-zatoichi (Reaching melee tends to be fatal, especially if you keep using the Direct Hit). The only other thing that'll stop you will be coming up against an equally powerful enemy backed by a medic, when you don't have one, or a level 3 turret (A demoman, a clever engineer with a wrangler (depending on the placement of the enemy turret), or a regular rocket launcher would work better against a level 3 turret unless you can shoot it from outside its range).
Of course, said newbies would have to acquire a Direct Hit and super fast aiming skills to do that. I was doing it yesterday, but I've played for a couple years on and off.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2011, 12:08:10 am
Post by: Metalax on June 27, 2011, 12:56:31 am
Virtually anyone playing spy isn't contributing as effectively to the team as they could be if they were playing another class, whether they're new or not.
I'd have to say I disagree with that. There are many times when playing as a spy can be vastly more effective at breaking a deadlock. It is true however that you do need to be able to recognise when being a spy is not going to work and actually change class, although the same is true of pretty much all the classes.
Post by: umiman on June 27, 2011, 12:59:41 am
Post by: Vertigon on June 27, 2011, 01:07:51 am
Post by: PTTG?? on June 27, 2011, 01:09:06 am
"Oh no! People who haven't played TF2 before are bad at it! This will permanently destroy TF2!"
If your post could be summed up to be something like the above, think for a bit before you post it.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 27, 2011, 01:21:49 am
If you want to see a game where bad players ruin games, play Global Agenda. All matches are 10 on 10 so when you have two or three recons on your team acting like fuck-ups you can feel it.
It's always recons too. They run around with swords trying to melee people and getting their asses killed over and over.
Post by: dragonshardz on June 27, 2011, 02:59:49 am
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 27, 2011, 03:38:24 am
Anyone Interested?
Post by: Siquo on June 27, 2011, 03:44:50 am
Every class is useful, but change classes when what you're doing is not working, that's the best tip there is.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 27, 2011, 03:49:05 am
Post by: Siquo on June 27, 2011, 04:12:41 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 27, 2011, 06:15:20 am
And of course, given the way the game works, if there's too many people in one class, it's usually not fun to play it, so it all evens out.
Post by: Dsarker on June 27, 2011, 06:20:10 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 27, 2011, 06:27:25 am
Post by: Siquo on June 27, 2011, 06:30:50 am
It is all about fun, after all.True dat. All classes are fun, though. I even play a sniper now and then, nowadays. Really
I've played heavy a lot lately, and although I rack up insane amounts of kills, I kind of get bored with him. Now I often play classes I suck at, for fun, until my team actually starts losing the game.
Post by: Dsarker on June 27, 2011, 06:55:07 am
I get hit as a scout all the time by snipers in 2fort, I'm sure you were just unlucky.
Oh, no. Sniping scouts is relatively easy....with your scope on full. This guy was running around and head shotting us. Repeatedly.
I eventually resorted to using a spy to go out and backstab him. Cloaked in room, ran out. Before I jumped off the ledge I had been killed.
EDIT: another pertinent detail. He was getting achievements left right and centre at the time. The starting ones in particular.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 27, 2011, 08:38:11 am
Anyone had problems on 2fort with aimbotting snipers? Last game I was in, I would run out the back entrance, as scout, get to the ledge, jump, and before I had finished the first jump, I was headshotted. Went out again, bottom layer. Got out the door and bam, dead.Oh I see your problem, your playing on 2fort.
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2011, 08:42:16 am
Post by: Siquo on June 27, 2011, 08:44:41 am
You know, the new images that appear on the main menu are nice, but the way the Sniper is holding his Rifle up to his eye and the fact he wears Sunnies would mean he should have an eye full of glass on the first shot. The scope would backlash, smashing the glasses and yeah... It should be held higher (as in his arm positioning and a little bit further away from his eye...Will someone blow this realist up?
Post by: Dsarker on June 27, 2011, 08:57:44 am
Anyone had problems on 2fort with aimbotting snipers? Last game I was in, I would run out the back entrance, as scout, get to the ledge, jump, and before I had finished the first jump, I was headshotted. Went out again, bottom layer. Got out the door and bam, dead.Oh I see your problem, your playing on 2fort.
I have a choice. 2fort (with aimbots) or non 2fort, in which case I die to snipers in melee. Because of the 300-400 ping.
Post by: Aklyon on June 27, 2011, 09:39:20 am
Have you tried looking for a less distant server?Anyone had problems on 2fort with aimbotting snipers? Last game I was in, I would run out the back entrance, as scout, get to the ledge, jump, and before I had finished the first jump, I was headshotted. Went out again, bottom layer. Got out the door and bam, dead.Oh I see your problem, your playing on 2fort.
I have a choice. 2fort (with aimbots) or non 2fort, in which case I die to snipers in melee. Because of the 300-400 ping.
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2011, 09:41:31 am
I'm perfectly willing to say that I jumped on the F2P train when it arrived at the station, and if you rage at me for a being a sucky noob (I am), I'm most likely going to laugh at you. Also when I've actually had some sleep, I'll link my backpack. I have like 3 hours and virtually no items, but if you want anything I have I'll give it to you. I don't really want anything in return, that's just not how I roll.I don't care, I have some items I want gone.
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2011, 10:18:05 am
Sigh...
Post by: Siquo on June 27, 2011, 10:26:50 am
Post by: Rakonas on June 27, 2011, 10:45:48 am
Such as?I'm perfectly willing to say that I jumped on the F2P train when it arrived at the station, and if you rage at me for a being a sucky noob (I am), I'm most likely going to laugh at you. Also when I've actually had some sleep, I'll link my backpack. I have like 3 hours and virtually no items, but if you want anything I have I'll give it to you. I don't really want anything in return, that's just not how I roll.I don't care, I have some items I want gone.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 27, 2011, 11:37:25 am
Isn't the whole point of recons to be sneaky-sneaky? That's what I got from the description of the class at chargen.
As a recon, you have three(four) jobs you can do. Two of them are useful and when done well make you a credit to the team. One(two) of them makes you a liability and marks you as a noob. Unfortunately neither of the useful jobs gets you a high player kill count so most free players don't want to use them.
Sniping is useful for the team as long as you focus on buildings. A good sniper can disrupt an engi nest before the engi can react (Or just kill him and then break the nest). If you focus on killing other players, sniping becomes less useful. Killing robots isn't much fun but with only ten people on your team if you're not contributing to the effort it's going to hurt the team.
Bombing is also useful, and lots of fun. Bomb engi nests, bomb the control point, I killed the entire enemy team once by dropping a stun bomb and poison bomb on the point. It's harder than sniping and until you're higher level you won't do as well, plus you spend a lot of time waiting for your cooldowns.
Melee is not useful. You won't do well. Even if you kick ass at it you're probably going to have 4 or 5 kills by the end of the game and the team will suffer for it.
Unfortunately, all the free players get on there and want to be Naruto so in the 10-29 PvP you'll usually have four or five recons on your team and they're all running around trying to swordfight and you've pretty much already lost. A lot of the time they don't even realize they take damage when you block them and you can just hold down the right mouse button while they kill themselves. That or they go sniper and just plink away at well-supported assaults on the point and they may as well not be doing anything.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 27, 2011, 11:43:01 am
Post by: Bdthemag on June 27, 2011, 11:44:00 am
Are you still talking about TF2?He was talking about Global Agenda.
Post by: Aklyon on June 27, 2011, 11:46:35 am
in relation to its worse free-to-play newbs than TF2 has.Are you still talking about TF2?He was talking about Global Agenda.
Post by: breadbocks on June 27, 2011, 11:55:58 am
Key phrase: A spy. There is only ever use for 2 spies, one on each team. Spies are the one class where you have to know what you're doing to not be a hindrance to your team. Every other class can deal damage by pointing at the general direction of the target and clicking. Do that as a spy, and you're mown down in a few seconds. There is never, ever a reason for spy to be capped out, and more often than not, it should be empty. Spy has situational usefulness, and only someone who knows what he's doing can actually take advantage of that.Virtually anyone playing spy isn't contributing as effectively to the team as they could be if they were playing another class, whether they're new or not.
I'd have to say I disagree with that. There are many times when playing as a spy can be vastly more effective at breaking a deadlock. It is true however that you do need to be able to recognise when being a spy is not going to work and actually change class, although the same is true of pretty much all the classes.
Post by: Sensei on June 27, 2011, 12:04:48 pm
Post by: userpay on June 27, 2011, 12:28:54 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 27, 2011, 12:37:43 pm
Is there anywhere I can download low-res versions of the primary maps or something?Look around on Facepunch, theres also some retro skin packs which will really make your game run fast.
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 27, 2011, 12:49:30 pm
C'est moi! Watch out, engies and medics.
(http://files.sharenator.com/Challenge_accepted_RE_Red_pancake-s400x300-128675-580.jpg)
Post by: Tyler6498 on June 27, 2011, 01:12:03 pm
Key phrase: A spy. There is only ever use for 2 spies, one on each team. Spies are the one class where you have to know what you're doing to not be a hindrance to your team. Every other class can deal damage by pointing at the general direction of the target and clicking. Do that as a spy, and you're mown down in a few seconds. There is never, ever a reason for spy to be capped out, and more often than not, it should be empty. Spy has situational usefulness, and only someone who knows what he's doing can actually take advantage of that.Virtually anyone playing spy isn't contributing as effectively to the team as they could be if they were playing another class, whether they're new or not.
I'd have to say I disagree with that. There are many times when playing as a spy can be vastly more effective at breaking a deadlock. It is true however that you do need to be able to recognise when being a spy is not going to work and actually change class, although the same is true of pretty much all the classes.
But for someone to actually become useful as a spy it requires practice, same for really any other class including Pyro (Go ahead and rage to what I just said, but the only reason would be the fact that you die to them a lot.) I've clocked 90 hours on spy so far and learned how to use all sorts of tactics and I can usually get in the top 3 players of the round as Spy. Now 2Fort...for some reason I can't play that as a Spy.
Post by: userpay on June 27, 2011, 01:36:40 pm
Is there anywhere I can download low-res versions of the primary maps or something?Look around on Facepunch, theres also some retro skin packs which will really make your game run fast.
Well I haven't seen anything about skin packs just yet but I keep seeing stuff about Chris' FPS Configs. Trying to figure it out as it doesn't seem exactly clear how to implement it but I think I just found a video that should describe how to use it so heres hoping.
Post by: breadbocks on June 27, 2011, 02:00:36 pm
There are numerous ways to practice as a spy without fucking your team over.Key phrase: A spy. There is only ever use for 2 spies, one on each team. Spies are the one class where you have to know what you're doing to not be a hindrance to your team. Every other class can deal damage by pointing at the general direction of the target and clicking. Do that as a spy, and you're mown down in a few seconds. There is never, ever a reason for spy to be capped out, and more often than not, it should be empty. Spy has situational usefulness, and only someone who knows what he's doing can actually take advantage of that.Virtually anyone playing spy isn't contributing as effectively to the team as they could be if they were playing another class, whether they're new or not.
I'd have to say I disagree with that. There are many times when playing as a spy can be vastly more effective at breaking a deadlock. It is true however that you do need to be able to recognise when being a spy is not going to work and actually change class, although the same is true of pretty much all the classes.
But for someone to actually become useful as a spy it requires practice, same for really any other class including Pyro (Go ahead and rage to what I just said, but the only reason would be the fact that you die to them a lot.) I've clocked 90 hours on spy so far and learned how to use all sorts of tactics and I can usually get in the top 3 players of the round as Spy. Now 2Fort...for some reason I can't play that as a Spy.
Post by: dogstile on June 27, 2011, 02:03:57 pm
Then booting me because I was all "its only on my pyro and i'm not switching to prove your insecurity's, stfu". Its funny because I was doing better than all the proof of purchase noobs.
Post by: warhammer651 on June 27, 2011, 02:27:27 pm
http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197999819204?p=1 (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197999819204?p=1)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 27, 2011, 02:44:51 pm
Such as...There are numerous ways to practice as a spy without fucking your team over.Key phrase: A spy. There is only ever use for 2 spies, one on each team. Spies are the one class where you have to know what you're doing to not be a hindrance to your team. Every other class can deal damage by pointing at the general direction of the target and clicking. Do that as a spy, and you're mown down in a few seconds. There is never, ever a reason for spy to be capped out, and more often than not, it should be empty. Spy has situational usefulness, and only someone who knows what he's doing can actually take advantage of that.Virtually anyone playing spy isn't contributing as effectively to the team as they could be if they were playing another class, whether they're new or not.
I'd have to say I disagree with that. There are many times when playing as a spy can be vastly more effective at breaking a deadlock. It is true however that you do need to be able to recognise when being a spy is not going to work and actually change class, although the same is true of pretty much all the classes.
But for someone to actually become useful as a spy it requires practice, same for really any other class including Pyro (Go ahead and rage to what I just said, but the only reason would be the fact that you die to them a lot.) I've clocked 90 hours on spy so far and learned how to use all sorts of tactics and I can usually get in the top 3 players of the round as Spy. Now 2Fort...for some reason I can't play that as a Spy.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 27, 2011, 03:10:02 pm
So yeah, i've found that some servers are kicking players who aren't wearing the proof of purchase hat.Same thing happened when the halo's came out, then the earbuds, don't worry that fad will go away in a few weeks.
Then booting me because I was all "its only on my pyro and i'm not switching to prove your insecurity's, stfu". Its funny because I was doing better than all the proof of purchase noobs.
Post by: userpay on June 27, 2011, 03:26:01 pm
Is there anywhere I can download low-res versions of the primary maps or something?Look around on Facepunch, theres also some retro skin packs which will really make your game run fast.
Well I haven't seen anything about skin packs just yet but I keep seeing stuff about Chris' FPS Configs. Trying to figure it out as it doesn't seem exactly clear how to implement it but I think I just found a video that should describe how to use it so heres hoping.
Success! I'm playing with next to no lag though the environment is now rainbows. Oh well at least I can play now.
Post by: Dsarker on June 27, 2011, 04:16:11 pm
Have you tried looking for a less distant server?Anyone had problems on 2fort with aimbotting snipers? Last game I was in, I would run out the back entrance, as scout, get to the ledge, jump, and before I had finished the first jump, I was headshotted. Went out again, bottom layer. Got out the door and bam, dead.Oh I see your problem, your playing on 2fort.
I have a choice. 2fort (with aimbots) or non 2fort, in which case I die to snipers in melee. Because of the 300-400 ping.
ALL the less distant servers run 2fort. I have, on my favourites, all the ones with less than 100 ping. They ALL have 2fort running ATM.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 27, 2011, 04:36:20 pm
(http://content.screencast.com/users/Trafalgar/folders/Jing/media/5115d88a-691a-4cb7-9545-cf2ca25034d8/2011-06-27_1735.png)
Edit: UberM0nk3y's Jungle? I don't even remember that one.
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2011, 04:38:56 pm
It's the only one I know that allows Micspam and yes I like it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 27, 2011, 05:28:46 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 27, 2011, 05:50:40 pm
Post by: Dsarker on June 27, 2011, 06:37:10 pm
I don't know where you are, but for me:
(http://content.screencast.com/users/Trafalgar/folders/Jing/media/5115d88a-691a-4cb7-9545-cf2ca25034d8/2011-06-27_1735.png)
Edit: UberM0nk3y's Jungle? I don't even remember that one.
Try looking for all the ones in Australia.
Post by: Aklyon on June 27, 2011, 06:44:05 pm
Post by: Dsarker on June 27, 2011, 06:46:32 pm
Reddit has an australian tf2 section, (http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2au) have you checked there?
Latest one that mentions a server says it's down.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 27, 2011, 07:25:14 pm
Good thing I can keel kowards without one, ha ha! In related news, my Minigun is almost at 500 keels.
It's not much, but everything on page 1 is up for trade (http://www.tf2items.com/id/Muffles#)
Post by: dragonshardz on June 27, 2011, 07:50:21 pm
It's been so long since I've seen a friendly medic I'm starting to forget what it feels like to be healed.
Good thing I can keel kowards without one, ha ha! In related news, my Minigun is almost at 500 keels.
It's not much, but everything on page 1 is up for trade (http://www.tf2items.com/id/Muffles#)
What would you like for that Tomislav? I've got some Heavy gloves you don't seem to have - KGB and Fists of Steel. I also have some other things you might like.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 27, 2011, 07:54:09 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on June 27, 2011, 07:59:20 pm
Can you link your inventory?
This (http://www.tf2items.com/id/dragonshardz) is my backpack. Everything on the first page is available for trade.Spoiler: Trade Item Summary (click to show/hide)
Post by: PTTG?? on June 27, 2011, 08:06:58 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on June 27, 2011, 08:32:43 pm
http://www.tf2items.com/id/rogunz (http://www.tf2items.com/id/rogunz)Stuff on the first page is for trade, for pretty much anything.
I also have basically nothing to trade,
The team captain looks amazing, if anyone has it.
Post by: DarkerDark on June 27, 2011, 08:36:53 pm
All hands on deck! Get on TF2!
Joined in as Mama Burger, played medic for a bit and then switched to soldier because there just wasn't enough people playing tonight. Was that Fuslix guy (I think that was his name) a Bay 12 forum goer? I didn't like the way he kept killing me. :P
Post by: Cthulhu on June 27, 2011, 08:42:59 pm
It's been so long since I've seen a friendly medic I'm starting to forget what it feels like to be healed.
Good thing I can keel kowards without one, ha ha! In related news, my Minigun is almost at 500 keels.
It's not much, but everything on page 1 is up for trade (http://www.tf2items.com/id/Muffles#)
Winger, Tomislav, and two Dueling Minigames for your Enforcer and Strange Targe?
Sure.
Fun times, a guy named Rising or something like that said I was terrible and his mom was better than me. Next round I killed him over and over
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2011, 08:46:14 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on June 27, 2011, 08:49:07 pm
All hands on deck! Get on TF2!
Server is empty and running an older version of the game.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 27, 2011, 09:22:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S19GO3Xgz2w
Post by: Bdthemag on June 27, 2011, 09:30:54 pm
This vid showed up in the TF2 blog, you guys probably have seen it, but it's really well made. I like it.That video is fucking awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S19GO3Xgz2w
Post by: Cthulhu on June 27, 2011, 10:12:32 pm
Two things make this very hard:
No wait, three.
1. I'm not very good at scout. He's too fast for me to properly handle. I got a decent grip on it after a while but it was still frustrating because...
2. Demomen are impossible in single player. They're too good at aiming, and they're too stupid to not just point blank you with grenades, killing both of you.
3. Also, as you'll probably know if you've played with me, I fucking hate scouts, so much. It's all I can manage not to run straight into their guns just to watch a scout die.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 27, 2011, 10:23:05 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 27, 2011, 10:25:27 pm
2. The problem is TF2 bots are practically dead on with their accuracy, most players won't be able to get in a quick shot to kill you. Scouts are actually meant to be a counter against demo's.
3. See scouts aren't suppose to rush them head on, to start out kinda stay back and only attack enemies from the side or from behind. With practice you should be able to be okay with him.
Scout's may not seem good in pubs, but they really shine in competitive matches. I gotta give you guys a link for a really awesome video of a guy playing scout...
Post by: Soulwynd on June 27, 2011, 11:13:08 pm
They're also good to break the medic+heavy combo as well.
Now, the trick with the scout is:
You don't want people facing you. Ever. If you're far away, your dodging only means a slight movement. Scouts should jump onto people and constantly make them do 180 turns to try to face you, jump over their heads, shoot, do it again. You also shouldn't be going into groups of more than 2 people unless you have backup. Furthermore, when you pick an area to attack someone, make sure there aren't other people watching your assault, because then they can spam-kill you.
As for the weapons:
Original Scattergun - This weapon is specially good when approaching targets. It has a nice tight arc of fire, so if they suddenly face you, you can shoot and dodge. Plus like the shottie, you can reload shot by shot.
FaN & that new shootie - This is the ambush weapon. Run up to someone's back or side and shoot them once and then while they're in the war, do the second shot. It's insta kill for most light classes, doing around 200hp of damage with both shots. Worthless when far away, so hold tight to that pistol for a missed second shot or people trying to get to you.
Shortstop - This is the mid range weapon. Has the tightest arc and shoots less pellets with each bullet. With this thing you can pretty much ditch the pistol and use some of the fun drinks and the mad milk. Note that it does slightly less damage than the scattergun, but shoots faster and reloads 4 bullets at once, so take that in consideration. This is great for popping hurt heavies out while behind some cover, being able to do around 160hp of damage with the four shots at mid range.
Ps. I'm only a good scout in 5 point CPs for some reason, so if what I said doesn't work in PLs, you know why.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 27, 2011, 11:26:12 pm
I have no trouble dealing with Aladdemos at all, but everyone's buttaching that everything is a direct update new sword is OP, etc.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 27, 2011, 11:28:05 pm
Post by: Thexor on June 27, 2011, 11:30:20 pm
Scouts are generally good against everyone, except pyro.
Wait wait wait, what? Scouts border on a hard counter versus Pyros - keep your distance (which is easy thanks to your speed), and you can pistol them to death without fear of serious retaliation. I mean, sure, they can scratch you with their shotgun, but unless they get you with two successive flares (in which case, dodge more!) or you're unlucky enough to start the battle already within flamethrower range, it's a pretty easy battle.
Compare with Soldiers, who only need to aim near you to damage you (seriously, in competitive play Soldiers are the main defense against Scouts). Or an alert Heavy, especially one of those Natasha Heavies (or the new Tomislaw, which gives you almost no time to retreat before they're wound up and cutting you down) - if you aren't at point-blank ambush range before they spot you, you're toast. :o
Is it just me or is everyone complaining about Demo's new set?
I have no trouble dealing with Aladdemos at all, but everyone's buttaching that everything is a direct update new sword is OP, etc.
Eh, my only complaint is that it's basically a straight upgrade to the previous Demoknight setup - the shield gives up a tiny defensive increase (which was only really useful against 3 classes anyways) for a serious usage boost, and the sword is a huge help in survivability/charge strength and carries basically no drawback (especially if you don't have any ammo-using weapons!). Despite that, melee Demos are pretty weak outside of Medieval mode - it's just that they're less weak than they used to be. :P
Post by: Flying Carcass on June 27, 2011, 11:48:39 pm
On a side note, its a good idea for scouts to know where the nearest escape route is and where there are med kits.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 28, 2011, 12:17:08 am
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2011, 12:57:34 am
I believe I play against harder pyros than you do. Most of the pyros I know break your double jump and you're hanging in air. Even if you're at the limit of their air blast, which gives them enough time to shot gun you out of the air.Scouts are generally good against everyone, except pyro.
Wait wait wait, what? Scouts border on a hard counter versus Pyros - keep your distance (which is easy thanks to your speed), and you can pistol them to death without fear of serious retaliation. I mean, sure, they can scratch you with their shotgun, but unless they get you with two successive flares (in which case, dodge more!) or you're unlucky enough to start the battle already within flamethrower range, it's a pretty easy battle.
Compare with Soldiers, who only need to aim near you to damage you (seriously, in competitive play Soldiers are the main defense against Scouts). Or an alert Heavy, especially one of those Natasha Heavies (or the new Tomislaw, which gives you almost no time to retreat before they're wound up and cutting you down) - if you aren't at point-blank ambush range before they spot you, you're toast. :o
I suppose that if you use the shortstop, you're at an advantage as far as range goes, otherwise the scratch you mention goes both sides and the scout has less hp than the pyro, so he's not at any advantage. Plus I've never seen any of those pyros give you any pistol opportunities. They're all ambush and only stick to tight places with enough turns and cover, they burn people and run before they can react, usually taking one or two along.
Then again, I play in a server where some competitive players go to and that sort of shapes your experience a bit, pub pyros are probably much easier for the scout than I've experienced. Soldiers rarely spam the ground there to kill a scout, as they're more worried about not dying or wasting hp. They usually just shotgun you back then rocket when you're about to land or in middle air. Otherwise, soldiers at long range are really easy to dodge.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 28, 2011, 01:45:20 am
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2011, 02:28:38 am
This means the deadcenter damage of the shortstop is 12 while for the scattergun is 6. The scattergun fires 10 pellets and the shortstop fires 4 (one on center and 3 random). The scattergun does more damage up close, but the shortstop retains a bit more damage on mid-long distance.
I normally use it with the crit-a-cola. You will be doing around 40-60 damage at mid range per precise shot with it. Not only that, but the shortstop fires 25% faster, which means you can fire 8 times before the minicrits wear out.
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2011, 02:40:38 am
Post by: Metalax on June 28, 2011, 04:31:37 am
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2011, 04:51:24 am
Post by: RF on June 28, 2011, 05:26:32 am
My backpack. (http://www.tf2items.com/id/R-F)
Post by: Enzo on June 28, 2011, 05:53:15 am
I just got 14 backstabs in one life. I'm not even a particularly good spy. It seems new players don't know that it is advisable to turn around every so often, and apparently many of them don't understand how YER works. I know I shouldn't but I'm loving it.
Also, since everyone else is doing it, I'll post some trading garbage. If any new players (or otherwise, I guess) want one of my doubles (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198025348865), I'll trade it straight across for another weapon, because I'm cool like that and I'll turn it all into metal anyways. Items I'll trade include:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, I want Color # 2-whatever, the light purple one, if anyone has one of those.
Post by: dragonshardz on June 28, 2011, 06:07:47 am
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2011, 06:09:48 am
So is anyone else enjoying the free-player rush more than they should?Yep :) Although killing people-you-know is more satisfying, and people-you-know-are-good is even better.
I enjoy Soldier vs soldier duels with Benzene, for instance, or scout vs scout with... whatshisname. And killing anyone who tries to be a spy, serves them right (Jakarra, Richard).
Killing snipers who can't snipe, is just... almost dishonourable. It feels too easy.
Post by: Enzo on June 28, 2011, 06:12:43 am
kinseti: How does Brass Beast, Dead Ringer, Direct Hit, Boston Basher, Dead Ringer, Your Eternal Reward, and Degreaser in exchange for all my duplicate items (http://www.tf2items.com/id/dragonshardz) sound?
Sure, but you said Dead Ringer twice, and you don't want the Boston Basher. Trust me it's awful. My steam name's the same as my forum name, and I'm online for another couple minutes so add me.
Killing snipers who can't snipe, is just... almost dishonourable. It feels too easy.
After playing on an 8-man team with 3 snipers who couldn't snipe I lost all my sympathy.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 28, 2011, 06:16:24 am
(SO MUCH)
Anyway, I just accidentally went on an American server and daamn do you people talk more than Australian servers. It was so much fun just talking shit the entire round. Highlight:
Other Player 1: "How do I get a sword for the demoman?"
Me: "Fill Gabe Newall's pool with money.
Other Player 1: "Why would he have a pool?"
Other Player 2: "So he can breach."
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 28, 2011, 06:23:36 am
I like using the Boston Basher but I never get any kills with it. I even have a habit of whacking my victim twice and running off to drink crit-a-cola to up the damage and make the victim suddenly really terrified. Much easier to have minicrits with the new scattergun. Although to admit, I have a ton of more fun killing people with the new soldier whip. Rocket them into the air like a pyros airblast and melee them to death. Seems to crit really often too.
Post by: FunctionZero on June 28, 2011, 06:35:35 am
I could trade you The Homewrecker and The Chargin Targe.
Post by: RF on June 28, 2011, 07:23:48 am
*snip*
Would you be willing to trade one of those Half-Zatoichi's for a Sandman? Or the Gloves of Running Urgently? Or the Amputator? Or whatever for any of my doubles? I'll trade you two Dead Ringers for any of your items that I don't have, in fact. :p
Also, just because I was on the end of the last page and I still need advice:
What should I do with my various genuine items? What should I be asking for them etc?
My backpack. (http://www.tf2items.com/id/R-F)
Post by: Dsarker on June 28, 2011, 07:29:32 am
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2011, 07:32:03 am
Post by: Dsarker on June 28, 2011, 07:32:54 am
Post by: RF on June 28, 2011, 07:33:22 am
Hmm, could we divide this into a "TF2 trade"-thread, and a thread for people who actually play the game?
And get people annoyed that "TF2 is taking over the forums" or some shit? No, I don't think so. This is directly relevant to the game, anyway.
If you have any sniper gear, i'd be happy to take it off your hands :P
I could give you a jarate and a huntsman, I guess, but that's about all I have.
Post by: Dsarker on June 28, 2011, 07:35:15 am
Post by: tomas1297 on June 28, 2011, 07:40:18 am
Anyone used it much and can recommend it?It's epic and I feel bad for switching Huntsman + Jarate to the piss sniper (what'sthename) and the SMG.
Post by: RF on June 28, 2011, 07:40:41 am
I have a jarate (a vintage one, even) but I'd be happy to try out the huntsman for a bit. Anyone used it much and can recommend it?
It's alright. It can absolutely slaughter people if you use it right / are any good with it. If you suck with it, though, it is the worst weapon ever.
Post by: Dsarker on June 28, 2011, 07:47:20 am
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2011, 07:55:29 am
This is directly relevant to the game, anyway.IMNSHO, it's not. Unless you're playing it as a hat-simulator.
Post by: RF on June 28, 2011, 08:24:17 am
I might have to try it out then. What do you want for it?
I was going to give it for free, but let's see your inventory? :p
This is directly relevant to the game, anyway.IMNSHO, it's not. Unless you're playing it as a hat-simulator.
Despite the fact we're trading weapons which are used to kill each other / do loadouts? Yeeeah, okay.
Post by: Dsarker on June 28, 2011, 08:36:42 am
And isn't TF2 meant to be a hat simulator?
Post by: RF on June 28, 2011, 08:56:39 am
http://tf2b.com/76561198006989136
Are you willing to trade the KGBs/Battalion's Back Up? (Preferably Killer Gloves of Boxing.)
Post by: Dsarker on June 28, 2011, 08:57:14 am
Post by: LASD on June 28, 2011, 09:00:04 am
Hmm, could we divide this into a "TF2 trade"-thread, and a thread for people who actually play the game?Actually, there already exists a thread like that (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=67343.0), but I didn't want to be a curmudgeonly OP and point at the first post and demand people start trading in the trading thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=67343.0). There is a benefit of seeing only trade things in that thread and not having them be pushed out of the latest page by game discussion and as a result, more trading might actually ensue.
Post by: Dsarker on June 28, 2011, 09:04:16 am
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2011, 09:15:02 am
Despite the fact we're trading weapons which are used to kill each other / do loadouts? Yeeeah, okay.It is why there are dedicated trade servers, and you get kicked for tradespam, in TF2. So why not here? :)
Anyway, OP pointed out there already was a thread for that, thanks. Also, check out the Tournament thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=87552), I think they still need people.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 28, 2011, 11:21:41 am
Post by: RF on June 28, 2011, 11:29:36 am
I changed my mind about the free update. Every doomsayer is right. Right now the DFC server has five spies and three snipers on one team.
This is truth.
Post by: mattie2009 on June 28, 2011, 11:30:11 am
also, noobsnipers and noobspies are the worst.
Post by: Rakonas on June 28, 2011, 11:30:58 am
Spies can actually be very useful, though, and I often only see only two. I always see at least 3 snipers though.I changed my mind about the free update. Every doomsayer is right. Right now the DFC server has five spies and three snipers on one team.
This is truth.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 28, 2011, 11:34:02 am
Allow me to sum up some sentiments so we can get them out of the way:
"Oh no! People who haven't played TF2 before are bad at it! This will permanently destroy TF2!"
If your post could be summed up to be something like the above, think for a bit before you post it.
I changed my mind about the free update. Every doomsayer is right. Right now the DFC server has five spies and three snipers on one team.
This is truth.
ಠ_ಠ
Post by: Bdthemag on June 28, 2011, 11:40:17 am
Post by: Dsarker on June 28, 2011, 11:44:13 am
Here's my Backpack, hats are on page three. But you'll have to give me a good offer on them or you'll have to kill me to get them :P Feel free to add me on steam, my steam ID is Bdthemag.
....You realise you just told Bay 12 that if they killed you they could get all your hats?
Post by: Bdthemag on June 28, 2011, 11:45:18 am
Good luck getting past my traps, mwhahahahahah.Here's my Backpack, hats are on page three. But you'll have to give me a good offer on them or you'll have to kill me to get them :P Feel free to add me on steam, my steam ID is Bdthemag.
....You realise you just told Bay 12 that if they killed you they could get all your hats?
Post by: Cthulhu on June 28, 2011, 12:26:16 pm
I really feel like I get the pathos of the tea party now.
On the bright side, I traded my spare Tomislav for an atomizer. Fuck I'm maneuverable now. I'm like greased lightning if Thor were on an ounce of meth.
Not htat it matters, this is one of those days where no matter what class I play I can't do shit for shit.
Post by: The Scout on June 28, 2011, 02:04:45 pm
Here's my Backpack, hats are on page three. But you'll have to give me a good offer on them or you'll have to kill me to get them :P Feel free to add me on steam, my steam ID is Bdthemag.(http://files.sharenator.com/challenge_accepted_RE_Artificial_Fears_remake_of_Legend_of_Zelda_songs-s325x265-191454.png)
RUN FROM THE SCOUT. But scouts are the hard coutner to anything, unless it has splash damage. And sentries. But even then, throw a baseball and hope it hits one. Easy kill.
Also, crit balls give the longest stun at any range and do 45 dmg. If a ball bounces off and hits another enemy, it'll stun them depending on how far away it is. Since crits stun, you can stun an entire group of enemies. Or be like me, and use it to insta kill injured people.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 28, 2011, 02:10:24 pm
Post by: DJ on June 28, 2011, 02:20:41 pm
I changed my mind about the free update. Every doomsayer is right. Right now the DFC server has five spies and three snipers on one team.Don't hate on all us freeloaders. I'm mostly playing Pyro, Scout or Demoman on DFC server, though I did play a couple of sniper and spy rounds to break the monotony. And I suck as Scout so I'm not really useful when I play that either, but it's the most fun class and I'll keep playing it badly until I get better.
Post by: Darvi on June 28, 2011, 02:30:17 pm
But scouts are the hard coutner to anything, unless it has splash damage. And sentries. But even then, throw a baseball and hope it hits one. Easy kill.Fuck yes. If I had that baseball I'd be even better off as a scout. But alas, I am stuck punching people in the face with fish for maximum hilarity.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 28, 2011, 02:35:39 pm
Darvi, I could change that actually.... Quick add me as a friend!But scouts are the hard coutner to anything, unless it has splash damage. And sentries. But even then, throw a baseball and hope it hits one. Easy kill.Fuck yes. If I had that baseball I'd be even better off as a scout. But alas, I am stuck punching people in the face with fish for maximum hilarity.
Post by: DJ on June 28, 2011, 02:41:39 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 28, 2011, 02:45:43 pm
Post by: Rakonas on June 28, 2011, 02:47:52 pm
Post by: DJ on June 28, 2011, 02:49:28 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on June 28, 2011, 02:59:21 pm
kinseti: How does Brass Beast, Dead Ringer, Direct Hit, Boston Basher, Dead Ringer, Your Eternal Reward, and Degreaser in exchange for all my duplicate items (http://www.tf2items.com/id/dragonshardz) sound?
Sure, but you said Dead Ringer twice, and you don't want the Boston Basher. Trust me it's awful. My steam name's the same as my forum name, and I'm online for another couple minutes so add me.Killing snipers who can't snipe, is just... almost dishonourable. It feels too easy.
After playing on an 8-man team with 3 snipers who couldn't snipe I lost all my sympathy.
'Pologies. Wrote that while very tired. I'll add you here in a second.
Post by: DJ on June 28, 2011, 03:02:18 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2011, 03:04:19 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 28, 2011, 03:08:31 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 28, 2011, 03:22:54 pm
Now that you reminded me with that quote, does *anyone* use Boston Basher effectively? I kinda just swing wildly with the standard bat because I'm moving too fast to aim, which obviously doesn't work with the Basher. And I can't slow down either, because a scout that's not running and jumping is a dead scout.I actually like the boston basher to some extent. I never just wildly flail the bat around, and the Boston Basher can kill a low health retreating enemy pretty fast.
Post by: Enzo on June 28, 2011, 03:25:00 pm
Hmm, could we divide this into a "TF2 trade"-thread, and a thread for people who actually play the game?Actually, there already exists a thread like that (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=67343.0), but I didn't want to be a curmudgeonly OP and point at the first post and demand people start trading in the trading thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=67343.0). There is a benefit of seeing only trade things in that thread and not having them be pushed out of the latest page by game discussion and as a result, more trading might actually ensue.
Actually, I'm going to go practice some necromancy right now. Using the trade thread makes sense, to split up the sudden influx of trade and non-trade discussion going on.
Post by: Realmfighter on June 28, 2011, 03:26:31 pm
Pretty damn hard.
(I run about like a spastic in every class, outside of the Heavy, but who the fuck get in punching range of a heavy, and why wouldn't I just shred them with minigun bullets?)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 28, 2011, 03:53:42 pm
Much like the new sniper rifle. There really isn't any upside or downside, it's just a fun little minigame to play with yourself.
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2011, 04:37:16 pm
Finally tried the short-stop today. I think I'll keep it. Now to dump the handgun because it's kinda superfluous.
Also I hate playing the heavy. Mowing down entire armies of noob like I'm some kind of god just feels like I'm cheating, or something. I'm going to QUIT. Spy is a lot more fun nowadays, though, I suck at spy but the new people often suck more.
DJ, you're doing ok, for a new guy. BDthemag, yes I'm from B12.
Post by: Darvi on June 28, 2011, 04:39:29 pm
We already got the fish for that. Totally useless humiliation.You call it useless, I call it hilarious.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 28, 2011, 04:46:17 pm
We already got the fish for that. Totally useless humiliation.Heheheh, I had a memory lapse.
Finally tried the short-stop today. I think I'll keep it. Now to dump the handgun because it's kinda superfluous.
Also I hate playing the heavy. Mowing down entire armies of noob like I'm some kind of god just feels like I'm cheating, or something. I'm going to QUIT. Spy is a lot more fun nowadays, though, I suck at spy but the new people often suck more.
DJ, you're doing ok, for a new guy. BDthemag, yes I'm from B12.
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2011, 04:47:03 pm
Oh, it is, it is. I feel so cool, making fish kills. 8)We already got the fish for that. Totally useless humiliation.You call it useless, I call it hilarious.
Post by: Greiger on June 28, 2011, 04:49:08 pm
...frying pan really needs something like the fish kill when you kill folks...
Post by: Bdthemag on June 28, 2011, 04:50:52 pm
The Fish kill is nothing compared to my FRYING PAN OF TRUTH!! *bong*The frying pan is also a must have for any Demopan.
...frying pan really needs something like the fish kill when you kill folks...
Stout Shako 2 Refined.
Post by: The Scout on June 28, 2011, 04:55:36 pm
Post by: Thexor on June 28, 2011, 05:09:02 pm
What does the new scout item set do?
None of the new item sets have any effect. I really don't know why they register as item sets in the first place - either Valve planned for them to have set bonuses and changed their minds at the last moment, or they'll be adding set bonuses at some point in the future. Or, heck, maybe they just included an 'item set' to give players a guaranteed way to craft the new items: 4 refined + weapon from the set = the set hat. (Unless you're a Spy, in which case it's either the hat or the rose. I can only imagine the terror of owning one of the two items and spending 4 refined for a 50% chance of getting the other!)
Post by: The Doctor on June 28, 2011, 05:27:06 pm
Rose for hat, hat for rose. :I
Post by: RF on June 28, 2011, 06:14:17 pm
Post by: breadbocks on June 28, 2011, 06:19:45 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2011, 06:23:04 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 28, 2011, 07:07:32 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2011, 07:44:38 pm
I also use this with the sniper a lot. Instead of moving the mouse, I strafe for fine adjustments to the aim. Very very effective with the huntsman. At least for me.
Post by: Yodamaster on June 28, 2011, 07:48:11 pm
The trick I've found is that instead of using your mouse to aim, use your movement to aim. Place your crosshair in a place you know the enemy will cross if you jump on a certain direction, then shoot as soon as that happens.
I also use this with the sniper a lot. Instead of moving the mouse, I strafe for fine adjustments to the aim. Very very effective with the huntsman. At least for me.
Huntsman /=/ sniping, per say.
It's more strategic guessing. :P
Post by: Enzo on June 28, 2011, 07:50:15 pm
Huntsman > sniping
I agree!
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2011, 07:57:47 pm
You guys should find a server running the MGE mod. It has 4 (if I remember well) training courses. One of them is specific for the scout jumping.
Post by: kilakan on June 28, 2011, 08:08:59 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 28, 2011, 08:20:11 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2011, 08:22:57 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on June 28, 2011, 08:32:34 pm
Still have the atomizer for trade though.
Post by: breadbocks on June 28, 2011, 08:36:32 pm
That's why I got rid of it. The Winger is good with the new scattergun too, but I'm not using htat yet so I traded it off.Would you trade for a shortstop?
Still have the atomizer for trade though.
EDIT: Hurp, this isn't the trade thread.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 28, 2011, 08:39:32 pm
Post by: PsyberianHusky on June 28, 2011, 10:06:39 pm
Post by: The Doctor on June 28, 2011, 10:18:24 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 28, 2011, 10:18:49 pm
Post by: breadbocks on June 28, 2011, 10:21:03 pm
now the trick with scout is to bind "Uguu~~" to "k" so your opponents are distracted by anime.You're nuke? Hehe. I was so tempted to Teamkill you.
Post by: The Scout on June 28, 2011, 10:21:56 pm
Explain.now the trick with scout is to bind "Uguu~~" to "k" so your opponents are distracted by anime.You're nuke? Hehe. I was so tempted to Teamkill you.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on June 28, 2011, 10:23:35 pm
Cause I am the bomb.now the trick with scout is to bind "Uguu~~" to "k" so your opponents are distracted by anime.You're nuke? Hehe. I was so tempted to Teamkill you.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 28, 2011, 10:36:24 pm
A damn shame.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on June 28, 2011, 10:38:49 pm
Update. Demo wave dashing removed.Bawww TF 2 is like brawl now
A damn shame.
Post by: The Scout on June 28, 2011, 10:41:48 pm
Update. Demo wave dashing removed.What?
A damn shame.
Post by: Metalax on June 28, 2011, 10:55:55 pm
Quote
Source Engine Changes (CS:S, DoD:S, TF2, HL2:DM)
Reduced CPU usage for idle servers
Team Fortress 2
Fixed a case where CritBoost effects were being removed from players being healed.
Fixed a problem with Arena mode first blood CritBoost not removing itself at the correct time.
Fixed a bug where Demomen kept their leftover charge amount when self-aborting charges (you'll still keep leftovers when stopped by enemy airblasts)
Fixed the problem that was causing Strange Demoman shields to not accumulate kills.
Fixed a bug where the Reserve Shooter would minicrit against swimming targets.
Tomislav spin-up reduction has been reduced from 75% to 40% (so it now spins-up slower)
Made the Jumper's Jeepcap and Pocket Medic craft-able.
Updated the bot navigation files for several maps.
Added an entry for "Call Vote" to the Options->Keyboard Settings, so you can bind a key to it.
Updated the gamehaptics file:
Added/Refined recoil/draw/crit/reload forces for all of the new weapons in the Uber Update.
Refined all Rocket Launcher Forces recoil forces to feel more true to recoil animation.
Tuned Brass Beast recoil to have less of an impact on your aiming reticle.
Undocumented Changes
Added the Refreshing Summer Cooler
Update. Demo wave dashing removed.What?
A damn shame.
I think this is refering to the removal of the demo keeping unexpended charge when you stop it early by attacking.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2011, 11:01:27 pm
I played yesterday and I was still able to retain demo-charge with tiny charges just to catch up.
Post by: Metalax on June 28, 2011, 11:02:53 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 28, 2011, 11:13:00 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on June 28, 2011, 11:18:30 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 28, 2011, 11:29:38 pm
Good, really was insane when they could do that.Insanely great. The Subclass was almost viable.
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Made the Jumper's Jeepcap and Pocket Medic craft-able.
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Made the Pocket Medic craft-able.
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Pocket Medic craft-able.
!!!
Brb whoring myself out for crafting supplies.
Post by: The Scout on June 28, 2011, 11:35:39 pm
WHAT'S IT DO. TELL ME. IS IT SELF HEALING?Good, really was insane when they could do that.Insanely great. The Subclass was almost viable.QuoteMade the Jumper's Jeepcap and Pocket Medic craft-able.QuoteMade the Pocket Medic craft-able.QuotePocket Medic craft-able.
!!!
Brb whoring myself out for crafting supplies.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 28, 2011, 11:45:11 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 28, 2011, 11:46:55 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 29, 2011, 12:03:25 am
Nothing. It's a cute misc item for the heavy. It's a medic toy in his pocket.GOTTAHAVEITGOTTAHAVEITGOTTAHAVEIT
Post by: Cthulhu on June 29, 2011, 12:20:12 am
Oh my goodness, these people must hate having fun.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 29, 2011, 12:24:06 am
I just somehow came across articles about "serious competitive TF2"
Oh my goodness, these people must hate having fun.
I wonder what hats they wear.
Post by: Bdthemag on June 29, 2011, 12:25:14 am
Normal ones, trust me I checked.I just somehow came across articles about "serious competitive TF2"
Oh my goodness, these people must hate having fun.
I wonder what hats they wear.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 29, 2011, 01:34:49 am
It's that final point, I swear. Nobody seems to realize that any weapon that gives a health bonus when people die makes you completely unstoppable.
Post by: The Scout on June 29, 2011, 01:36:52 am
Post by: Flying Carcass on June 29, 2011, 02:38:13 am
Incinerating 2 spies disguised as one's pyro within 10 seconds of each other. ;D
Post by: Dsarker on June 29, 2011, 02:40:12 am
Post by: Cthulhu on June 29, 2011, 02:53:10 am
You know what's cathartic?
Incinerating 2 spies disguised as one's pyro within 10 seconds of each other. ;D
I like jumping out from cover, launching an arrow, ducking away, and then hearing the thwack of it hitting my chosen target in the head. HuntsMANN is a real weapon, no pussy rifles for me.
Also shredding scouts as a heavy. I don't like scouts (Though I'm getting better about that as I get better at playing scouts.)
Post by: LASD on June 29, 2011, 03:12:15 am
Damn, I thought that was a feature. Good thing I'm done demoknighting anyway. It was fun but it's not exactly good for your team.I actually thought that was a feature of Ali Baba's Booties. Aww. No more top 3 as an Ali Baba Frying Pan Demoknight,
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 29, 2011, 04:25:00 am
Yeah, that made me unstoppable, I did think it was a feature. Damn, I really was getting good at it too.Damn, I thought that was a feature. Good thing I'm done demoknighting anyway. It was fun but it's not exactly good for your team.I actually thought that was a feature of Ali Baba's Booties. Aww. No more top 3 as an Ali Baba Frying Pan Demoknight,
Post by: breadbocks on June 29, 2011, 04:34:33 am
Post by: Soulwynd on June 29, 2011, 11:48:01 am
At the very least learn how to kill sentries with pipe bombs to be useful in that aspect as well.
Post by: DJ on June 29, 2011, 12:05:17 pm
On another note, how do I taunt kill with the scout? I did it just fine with huntsman sniper, but when I try to hit g with baseball bat the scout just performs a normal taunt instead of trying to hit someone with his bat.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 29, 2011, 12:11:06 pm
Wait, doesn't targe replace the grenade launcher and booties sticky launcher? I'd like to use targe with normal launcher, I much prefer it to sticky bombs because bouncing grenades is where it's at.Spoken like a true newbie.
And the scout only taunt-kills with the sandman.
Post by: Metalax on June 29, 2011, 12:27:00 pm
Wait, doesn't targe replace the grenade launcher and booties sticky launcher? I'd like to use targe with normal launcher, I much prefer it to sticky bombs because bouncing grenades is where it's at.
On another note, how do I taunt kill with the scout? I did it just fine with huntsman sniper, but when I try to hit g with baseball bat the scout just performs a normal taunt instead of trying to hit someone with his bat.
No, targe replaces the stickybomb launcher and the boots replace the grenade launcher.
To do a tuant kill you have to make sure you are using a weapon that actually has one. Some classes only have one weapon that enables taunt kills, others have multiples.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 29, 2011, 12:27:27 pm
Wait, doesn't targe replace the grenade launcher and booties sticky launcher? I'd like to use targe with normal launcher, I much prefer it to sticky bombs because bouncing grenades is where it's at.
On another note, how do I taunt kill with the scout? I did it just fine with huntsman sniper, but when I try to hit g with baseball bat the scout just performs a normal taunt instead of trying to hit someone with his bat.
Sticky grenades are what takes the demoman from a black bouncy soldier to an area denying fuck'em'up machine.
Post by: Siquo on June 29, 2011, 12:41:36 pm
area denying fuck'em'up machine.QFT.
It one of my worst classes, but with the highest score. It can yield more kills-per-life than an engy as you're more mobile.
Post by: Dermonster on June 29, 2011, 12:42:24 pm
:P
Post by: umiman on June 29, 2011, 12:42:53 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 29, 2011, 12:48:18 pm
Unless you just spam in tight maps.
Which is what most people do before switching to scout in open maps.
e_e
Post by: PTTG?? on June 29, 2011, 12:52:32 pm
Then he could have a hypothetical loadout with no actual attacks- the shield, the boots, and the vest.
Post by: DJ on June 29, 2011, 12:53:02 pm
Sticky grenades are what takes the demoman from a black bouncy soldier to an area denying fuck'em'up machine.That's a boring way to play, though. I like to be on the offensive, blasting apart sentries and heavies.
And damn, if I can't even taunt kill with default bat how will I ever get the achievements to get the sandman? Seriously, scout achievements are freaking impossible, I only have 3 and I have more than double playtime with scout than any other class while having 10+ achievements with some other classes. Oh well, I guess I can go farm some more sniper achievements to get razorback, the class is virtually unplayable without it because it seems like 50% of every team is spies.
Post by: The Scout on June 29, 2011, 12:53:42 pm
Post by: RF on June 29, 2011, 12:54:07 pm
Sticky grenades are what takes the demoman from a black bouncy soldier to an area denying fuck'em'up machine.That's a boring way to play, though. I like to be on the offensive, blasting apart sentries and heavies.
You still use the sticky grenades for this. You just have to learn to place them properly.
Post by: Siquo on June 29, 2011, 12:54:31 pm
That's a boring way to play, though. I like to be on the offensive, blasting apart sentries and heavies.Well, there's also the dive-bomber. Flies through the air, laying down a carpet-bomb...
Post by: DJ on June 29, 2011, 12:57:55 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 29, 2011, 12:58:54 pm
Post by: Siquo on June 29, 2011, 12:59:40 pm
Post by: DJ on June 29, 2011, 01:00:20 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 29, 2011, 01:01:16 pm
How large are we talking? The sentries I meet tend to be like 5m away from the corner.Try to look around the corner, and even shoot the stickies on the wall opposite of the sentry. Just get 5 or so stickies near it and it's going down.
Post by: RF on June 29, 2011, 01:01:23 pm
Hm, do explosions propagate through walls or what? If not, how can I use stickies against sentries behind corners?
Shoot it on the floor or on the wall behind the sentry. Just peek around, not enough to get you within LoS of the sentry.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on June 29, 2011, 01:11:09 pm
Post by: DJ on June 29, 2011, 01:13:40 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 29, 2011, 01:15:22 pm
They're also the easiest way to deal with corner sentries.
Post by: Darvi on June 29, 2011, 01:16:14 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 29, 2011, 01:27:39 pm
Post by: jaxy15 on June 29, 2011, 02:17:14 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 29, 2011, 02:31:14 pm
One handy thing for dealing with sentries is that your rockets, grenades, stickies, and huntsman arrows all come out of the right side of your screen and go towards the crosshair. This means that you can sit on the left side of the doorway, put your crosshair on the doorframe itself, and still have your shot hook around the point-blank obstacle. Now, if you only have access to the right side of the door... :\
Flip view models?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 29, 2011, 02:46:55 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 29, 2011, 03:33:48 pm
Advanced Options : play hit sound, display damage done, auto reload
Options->Graphics: no motion blur, 90 degree FOV, 70 viewmodel FOV
These things make the game so much easier to play well. Enact them immediately if you haven't already.
Post by: Darvi on June 29, 2011, 04:21:44 pm
Another thing for all of the new players: here are some things which you must set to be successful.Wow. I actually have all those :V
Advanced Options : play hit sound, display damage done, auto reload
Options->Graphics: no motion blur, 90 degree FOV, 70 viewmodel FOV
These things make the game so much easier to play well. Enact them immediately if you haven't already.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 29, 2011, 04:36:36 pm
Hm. Maybe I should make it my goal to get better with it. That could be fun.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 29, 2011, 04:42:12 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 29, 2011, 04:44:01 pm
Really waxing for the new soldier shotgun. It sounds amazing, but I only have one Frontier Justice to craft with and I used up all my other weapons for scraps.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 29, 2011, 04:45:18 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on June 29, 2011, 04:46:39 pm
It's a funky thing, and I don't think I'll ever get used to the lack of being able to detonate stickies without seeing them. So many intuition kills.I have it, its decent not really that useful unless you have quick reflexes and good aim.
Really waxing for the new soldier shotgun. It sounds amazing, but I only have one Frontier Justice to craft with and I used up all my other weapons for scraps.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 29, 2011, 04:51:13 pm
Next time I see you online, remind me and I'll give you mine.
Post by: Soulwynd on June 29, 2011, 04:55:41 pm
Post by: PsyberianHusky on June 29, 2011, 05:08:43 pm
I can't stand the Frontier. When your turret gets killed, you're more than likely going to die immediately anyway... and then you loose all those crits.
Next time I see you online, remind me and I'll give you mine.
Yea, I typically ninjaneer a T1 gun,l wait for it to get a couple kills, and then detonate it myself an attack.
That being said, I would advise never using it and a wrangler at the same time because you just have no firepower at that point.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 29, 2011, 05:14:02 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 29, 2011, 05:16:01 pm
Should I reveal the PW so other guys can play too?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 29, 2011, 05:25:21 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 29, 2011, 06:40:38 pm
Like, spies and demos gotta try to destroy all the sentries, while the engies gotta try and find any spies RED sends towards them. And of course they'll get all kinds of helpful hints, like "Hit everybody who comes close to you in case he's a spy trying to backstab you"
Post by: Nistenf on June 29, 2011, 06:44:34 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 29, 2011, 06:46:50 pm
Unless they removed it, you can use in any server that allows spectators. You can point stuff to the newb player like a RTS sort of game.
Post by: Darvi on June 29, 2011, 06:48:22 pm
Post by: Aklyon on June 29, 2011, 06:49:30 pm
Don't we already have the tutor/trainer/whatever mode for that?You can "Be a coach", with the possibility of a coaching-specific hat if you were really good according to them.
Unless they removed it, you can use in any server that allows spectators. You can point stuff to the newb player like a RTS sort of game.
Post by: YouR_DooM on June 29, 2011, 06:49:50 pm
Unfortunately the tutorial only covers 4 classes and even then only the basics. Also I believe that learning by doing is generally more effective.
He means the coach mode, not the tutorial.
Post by: Darvi on June 29, 2011, 06:51:28 pm
Post by: Enzo on June 29, 2011, 06:53:24 pm
Post by: dogstile on June 29, 2011, 06:58:15 pm
Yeah, I like the FJ because it looks cool and I have a vintage one so it makes me feel good when I use it but I think I've gotten like... one kill total off of revenge crits. Ever.
Really? That's quite surprising, revenge crits will one shot a spy, severely damage pyros, scouts and snipers and pose a massive threat to everything else. Especially if they've just been fighting your sentry
Post by: Soulwynd on June 29, 2011, 07:07:04 pm
Do people actually use coach mode? I've never touched it myself.The server I usually play in doesn't allow spec mode.
I don't think people bother with it anymore anyway. :(
Post by: Metalax on June 29, 2011, 07:19:08 pm
Post by: The Doctor on June 29, 2011, 07:38:53 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 29, 2011, 08:29:56 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on June 29, 2011, 08:31:03 pm
As long as the server isn't euro or west coast.
Post by: The Scout on June 29, 2011, 08:32:29 pm
Well, I have almost 1000hrs in it, so I can share a few hints.This. Otherwise my ping skyrockets to 900 and I disconnect.
As long as the server isn't euro or west coast.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 29, 2011, 08:39:58 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on June 29, 2011, 09:39:40 pm
My first trial went pretty well. I got 7 kills and 2 deaths in the first round, which is way better than I usually do as scout. Then again it was Nucleus which is a really scout friendly map from what I've seen. Scouts can just blitz along those rings, vaporize an unsuspecting pocket medic or whatever, and be gone before anyone knows what happened.
Post by: The Scout on June 29, 2011, 09:41:55 pm
Post by: Dsarker on June 29, 2011, 09:46:03 pm
...I'm sucking today. I play with the bots on Nucleus, and the demoman just murder me. Second I seeo ne, he turns around, and fires a crit nade at me. I can be halfway across the map, and he'll hit me. Adn the snipers... Bloody snipers.
Yeah. Bots tend to be amazingly accurate.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 29, 2011, 09:50:46 pm
that is, if you are new. I sort of assumed you were. If you aren't, the same still holds.
Post by: FunctionZero on June 29, 2011, 10:13:24 pm
Seriously, it kinda stopped being fun after I had like 30 kills with 4 or so deaths. And being the 1st MVP every round.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 29, 2011, 10:15:07 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on June 29, 2011, 10:20:51 pm
Heavies sorta do that. They dominate scores.I dunno. On other modes they aren't nearly that good, and need a doctor behind to really be 100% efficient.
Here, I could go without a medic and still roleplay a lawnmower.
Post by: Thexor on June 29, 2011, 10:51:58 pm
Protip: Sandvich (and the Steak Sandvich) can be thrown, then stepped on for an instant 150 hp heal. Standing around for 4 seconds for a proper lunch break is suicide; spending 1 second tossing a snack on the ground is nice and quick, and usually 150 hp is all you need to get back in the fight.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 29, 2011, 11:10:06 pm
Post by: Thexor on June 29, 2011, 11:33:38 pm
You can also toss it for your medic or another player, if they're expecting it. (If not, they may just miss it)
True. It's always annoying when they miss it, especially if you're on full health and behind enemy lines - you've just left a free health pack for the first person to sneak up behind you. :-\
Post by: Flying Carcass on June 30, 2011, 12:59:47 am
Post by: breadbocks on June 30, 2011, 01:09:31 am
Post by: Cthulhu on June 30, 2011, 02:26:42 am
Also, I seem to be a rocket/grenade magnet. Fully half of my deaths as scout are from rockets and grenades that weren't aimed at me. I turn a corner and bam, dead.
Post by: umiman on June 30, 2011, 02:28:40 am
Right now it's not only small, but doesn't have any particularly distinguishable particles to let people know you've dropped one.
Post by: The Scout on June 30, 2011, 02:31:09 am
The problem is that heavies rarely drop sandviches so my medics almost never notice them when I drop them. Since I don't have a mic I just kind of have to wave my gun around in its direction.Crit grenades and rockets. *turns corner *180 degree turn *crit thing.
Also, I seem to be a rocket/grenade magnet. Fully half of my deaths as scout are from rockets and grenades that weren't aimed at me. I turn a corner and bam, dead.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 30, 2011, 06:13:30 am
I crafted it too. I never did get a chance to try out the Mantreads. Never jumping the gun again on that one, let me tell you.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 30, 2011, 06:30:50 am
As it turns out, I don't like Ali Babba's Wee Booties. I swear they make it harder to ram people.
I crafted it too. I never did get a chance to try out the Mantreads. Never jumping the gun again on that one, let me tell you.
I see what you did thar.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 30, 2011, 06:45:51 am
I just need to do stuff like that consciously and I'll be set.
Post by: Aqizzar on June 30, 2011, 07:22:50 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 30, 2011, 07:25:57 am
(And don't forget to check out the servers for Fugworld.com.)
Post by: ToonyMan on June 30, 2011, 08:04:29 am
Post by: Korbac on June 30, 2011, 10:02:05 am
Haha, I can't picture Aqizzar playing TF2. I thought TF2 was for 14 year olds.
Just because it's animated like a Pixar Production, Toony, doesn't mean adults can't play it. XD
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 30, 2011, 10:10:51 am
Post by: PTTG?? on June 30, 2011, 10:11:35 am
Haha, I can't picture Aqizzar playing TF2. I thought TF2 was for 14 year olds.
Didn't you know Aqizzar is Saxton Hale?
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 30, 2011, 10:25:04 am
Post by: dogstile on June 30, 2011, 10:28:49 am
Whats that? You're shooting rockets at me, lemme just *airblast rocket jump* THERE WE GO
Post by: dragonshardz on June 30, 2011, 10:32:06 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 30, 2011, 10:54:52 am
Just because it's animated like a Pixar ProductionI started hearing this today and I have no idea why it became a thing.
And you know what I dislike about the game going F2P? All the new people and the resulting problems associated with it.
Oh no not that the new people are bad, it's the old people that are terrible. Whining like a bunch of 13-year-old channers who are too immature to handle such an update with class. Urgh.
Post by: RF on June 30, 2011, 11:23:09 am
4 snipers on a team on 7 people means we lose.
Post by: Myroc on June 30, 2011, 11:28:14 am
Another thing for all of the new players: here are some things which you must set to be successful.Am I the only one here who absolutely hates this obnoxious and dreadful sound? Informational, yes, but I don't want to risk going deaf everytime I graze someone with my shotgun.
Advanced Options : play hit sound, display damage done, auto reload
Options->Graphics: no motion blur, 90 degree FOV, 70 viewmodel FOV
These things make the game so much easier to play well. Enact them immediately if you haven't already.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 30, 2011, 11:29:45 am
Post by: RF on June 30, 2011, 11:42:24 am
Post by: tomas1297 on June 30, 2011, 11:42:34 am
Post by: breadbocks on June 30, 2011, 11:47:48 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 30, 2011, 11:48:20 am
Post by: tomas1297 on June 30, 2011, 11:48:44 am
It's wonderful as pyro. Each of those dings is a magical indicator of burning going on.This.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 30, 2011, 11:54:55 am
My god so many dings it's amazing.
Post by: DJ on June 30, 2011, 11:59:25 am
Post by: ToonyMan on June 30, 2011, 12:01:46 pm
Five people burning at once.It goes from so many dings to a buzz.
My god so many dings it's amazing.
Post by: breadbocks on June 30, 2011, 12:02:49 pm
as well as changing the pitch depending on how much damage you deal.I just realized what this means.
Ode to Joy on the Ambassador, anybody?
Post by: tomas1297 on June 30, 2011, 12:05:57 pm
That's why it's beautiful.Five people burning at once.It goes from so many dings to a buzz.
My god so many dings it's amazing.
Post by: Aklyon on June 30, 2011, 12:06:09 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 30, 2011, 12:17:46 pm
tf_dingaling_pitchmaxdmg 80
tf_dingaling_pitchmindmg 120
tf_dingaling_volume 0.75
tf_dingaling_wav_override
All relevant commands, with my recommended settings. The wav_override one can change the sound effect to whatever sound you want, so if there are any game hit sounds you like customization is there for the taking.
Post by: breadbocks on June 30, 2011, 12:20:47 pm
Post by: tomas1297 on June 30, 2011, 01:16:25 pm
Spoiler: Picture is related. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Thexor on June 30, 2011, 01:22:38 pm
That's why it's beautiful.Five people burning at once.It goes from so many dings to a buzz.
My god so many dings it's amazing.
And then somebody coats them all in Jarate, and the dings become minicrits.
Oh gawd, the ear-destroying glory!
Post by: Cthulhu on June 30, 2011, 01:46:05 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 30, 2011, 01:55:06 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 30, 2011, 02:22:04 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on June 30, 2011, 02:29:27 pm
I say replace the sound with the spy decloak noise.
I would basically just be running around screaming and shooting in every direction. Back when I PvPed a lot in World of Warcraft I would go into attack mode whenever I heard a similar sound, even in real life.
EDIT: I gave up trying to get good at scout, and have returned to hating him and everything about him. It's for my own good. That rocket magnet thing hasn't stopped and I've lost all good humor about it. If I turned a corner and got hit with a rocket, or a pyro sprouted out of the ground behind me one more time I was going to have a heart attack.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 30, 2011, 03:42:18 pm
I'm usually a terrible spy unless the enemy is running around in our base (I got something like 5 or 6 backstabs in a row once when that was going on, without Your Eternal Reward, over half a year ago, and that's pretty much the only time I was ever successful as a spy).
I generally just don't play sniper. If I try to counter-snipe a sniper, I just get sniped. If I try to snipe someone else, I end up just wasting my time. I've had some success with the huntsman in the past, but there's too much luck determining if I hit, and whether I get shot and die, and it's quicker and more effective to be another class using a better weapon instead, or be a medic assisting someone else to kill them.
I tend to do best as demoman, medic, or engineer, but I occasionally switch to other classes as needed (soldier can deliver immense amounts of damage to a single target with the Direct Hit, but is very slow, Pyro can light an entire group on fire and moves fast, or light someone on fire from far away, including snipers, etc).
Post by: Cecilff2 on June 30, 2011, 03:47:54 pm
I say replace the sound with the spy decloak noise.
EDIT: I gave up trying to get good at scout, and have returned to hating him and everything about him. It's for my own good. That rocket magnet thing hasn't stopped and I've lost all good humor about it. If I turned a corner and got hit with a rocket, or a pyro sprouted out of the ground behind me one more time I was going to have a heart attack.
The key to scout is to of course take routes no one else is taking, and if someone sees you, run away and come back at a dif angle. There are usually 3-5 different ways into the next "area". Find one not being used and sneak in behind enemy lines, find someone, approach from side or behind and fire two scattershots, back off and run away(Or pistol them to death). If it's a heavy, you might be able to jump on their head and bat them to death before they can realize you're actually above them.(Hit indicators don't point up) If you're no good at that, a quick two shot and run away still helps your team take down the heavy later.
Post by: Cthulhu on June 30, 2011, 03:49:04 pm
Other times I can't get a single kill with any class, and enemies seem to sprout out of the ground behind me even when I'm in what should be safe territory. If I could figure out what makes me good maybe I could be good, but I can't, and once I'm in a rut I can only dig it deeper.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 30, 2011, 03:51:24 pm
Post by: breadbocks on June 30, 2011, 03:55:49 pm
Post by: userpay on June 30, 2011, 04:54:47 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 30, 2011, 04:56:02 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 30, 2011, 04:57:46 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 30, 2011, 04:59:34 pm
I think I already said how corners are my greatest enemy in this game.
Post by: breadbocks on June 30, 2011, 05:00:20 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 30, 2011, 05:01:00 pm
Not sure if it was him though, but I was on a few maps with him and got some very suspicious deaths.
Like this:
lm
K
Where m is me, l and _ are the walls and K was the killer.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 30, 2011, 05:21:55 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on June 30, 2011, 05:22:46 pm
I have one under favorites, but I think it may be a wrong one, since it is completely empty around 90% of the time.
EDIT: Noticed the GameTracker link in The Scout's sig, and yeah, it seems I did have a wrong one.
Post by: The Scout on June 30, 2011, 05:24:36 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 30, 2011, 05:29:30 pm
Ye're welcome.
Post by: FunctionZero on June 30, 2011, 05:34:20 pm
Can someone give me the IP of the DFC server?
I have one under favorites, but I think it may be a wrong one, since it is completely empty around 90% of the time.
EDIT: Noticed the GameTracker link in The Scout's sig, and yeah, it seems I did have a wrong one.
217.163.25.175:27015Or it seems I had the right one. Didn't know there were more servers.
Ye're welcome.
Guess I'm just not on Steam at the right time and that's why it's always empty.
Post by: Metalax on June 30, 2011, 05:34:28 pm
It's been pretty busy most of the time since the last update, although with the steam summer games competition going on a lot of people are going to be playing other games to get the tickets so it might be quieter for the next 10 days.
Also if you suspect someone is cheating like that throw a message to me or one of the admins of the DFC group, I think everyone who is a group admin is also a server admin. We can come on and check it out.
Post by: The Scout on June 30, 2011, 05:35:21 pm
The current server address is 217.163.25.175:27015I'm not. And my only purpose of being admin is for TF2 events.
It's been pretty busy most of the time since the last update, although with the steam summer games competition going on a lot of people are going to be playing other games to get the tickets so it might be quieter for the next 10 days.
Also if you suspect someone is cheating like that throw a message to me or one of the admins of the DFC group, I think everyone who is a group admin is also a server admin. We can come on and check it out.
Post by: Darvi on June 30, 2011, 05:37:38 pm
The picture I mean.
Post by: The Scout on June 30, 2011, 05:38:45 pm
Maybe you should change your sig though.I see no picture. How do I see the picture?
The picture I mean.
Post by: Darvi on June 30, 2011, 05:40:21 pm
Spoiler: This picture (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Scout on June 30, 2011, 05:41:56 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on June 30, 2011, 05:43:07 pm
Profile Settings / Look and Layout / Show images within post signatures (images in profile and PM signatures are always shown)Maybe you should change your sig though.I see no picture. How do I see the picture?
The picture I mean.
Post by: The Scout on June 30, 2011, 05:44:58 pm
Post by: userpay on June 30, 2011, 05:47:50 pm
For the cross map kills, that sounds like the flare gun. Through walls might make sense if there was a corner, cause there's a second delay between the kill and the cam.
It was clearly through walls going by the motion of the kill cam. For me it was going somewhere near/in the enemies spawn point.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 30, 2011, 06:27:24 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 30, 2011, 06:29:38 pm
Hey guys, I got myself a strange rocket launcher and a description tag. What should I describe it as?Your deaths.
Post by: Greiger on June 30, 2011, 06:50:24 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 30, 2011, 06:51:29 pm
Ex (not using it, wording is no good): "Another tally mark for today. What a good day it has been."
Post by: dragonshardz on June 30, 2011, 06:54:46 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on June 30, 2011, 06:57:26 pm
Post by: Thexor on June 30, 2011, 06:58:44 pm
Sorta like that?
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 30, 2011, 07:07:53 pm
Post by: Greiger on June 30, 2011, 07:49:38 pm
"100% chance to fire a crocket. Except when it doesn't."
Post by: breadbocks on June 30, 2011, 08:04:17 pm
Please.
I beg of you...
Post by: Cthulhu on June 30, 2011, 08:08:29 pm
Maybe I'll wait until I get the bazaar bargain for that though.
Post by: RF on June 30, 2011, 08:09:06 pm
"Another one bites the dust."
Post by: Darvi on June 30, 2011, 08:16:02 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 30, 2011, 08:32:37 pm
Post by: RF on June 30, 2011, 09:09:57 pm
The tomislav is currently, in my opinion, still pretty OP. They gave it a significant nerf for obvious reasons, but the very reason it's OP is the same reason (or, rather, the opposite end of the same spectrum) of why the other two miniguns barely get used except in specific situations. Spin up time, man. It's a really significant part of the heavy's kit and slow spin up times generally mean death for the heavy.
It's the same with some of the older items, obviously, (lol blutsauger, what were they thinking?) but I think their obvious lack of knowledge on the heavy's issues cause some balance issues. Maybe if they replace slower spin up times with something that didn't guarantee death for an unprepared heavy, the game would have a bit more variety in heavy loadout.
Post by: The Scout on June 30, 2011, 09:12:00 pm
Post by: RF on June 30, 2011, 09:53:43 pm
You don't understand the Blutsauger? Watch it crit and mow down wave after wave of enemies and heal you. Then ubersaw someone, then blutsauger to get health back.
Whilst the medic would be far more effective using their ubergun instead. Sure, it's an option if all your support dies, but it's still a pretty worthless option. Especially since it nerfs your passive regen massively.
Post by: Thexor on June 30, 2011, 09:54:20 pm
Honestly, the Blutsauger is a perfect example of how unlocks should be done. The Blutsauger is a clear sidegrade - rapid health regeneration in combat, at the cost of minimal health regeneration when not in combat. If Valve managed to get a similar level of balance between all unlocks (preferably without taking two years to do so), I'd be delighted.
The Tomislav was fairly silly for a while, but now it's pretty normal. It revs up faster, sure, but once revved up it suffers from significantly reduced damage. At least Natasha gains a bonus in exchange for its lost damage; once the Tomislav is spun up, it gains no further benefit in exchange for -20% damage. I wouldn't say it's a weak unlock or anything, but it's certainly not significantly overpowered anymore.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 30, 2011, 10:01:58 pm
Is it just me, or does Valve's item team not really get itemisation? (At least for certain classes.)
The tomislav is currently, in my opinion, still pretty OP. They gave it a significant nerf for obvious reasons, but the very reason it's OP is the same reason (or, rather, the opposite end of the same spectrum) of why the other two miniguns barely get used except in specific situations. Spin up time, man. It's a really significant part of the heavy's kit and slow spin up times generally mean death for the heavy.
It's the same with some of the older items, obviously, (lol blutsauger, what were they thinking?) but I think their obvious lack of knowledge on the heavy's issues cause some balance issues. Maybe if they replace slower spin up times with something that didn't guarantee death for an unprepared heavy, the game would have a bit more variety in heavy loadout.
Heavy has gun. Is good gun. No one can outsmart Sasha. Only capitalist babies need many guns.
Post by: RF on June 30, 2011, 10:02:41 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 30, 2011, 10:05:20 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 30, 2011, 10:45:13 pm
Part of our group. So insult him and follow him around insulting him if you want.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 30, 2011, 10:46:30 pm
Post by: MagmaDeath on June 30, 2011, 11:04:41 pm
Yeah, the thing about the tomislav is Sasha actually spins up nearly instantly as is, and the heavy's health more than covers the moment of spinup time. If you can aim your 500 dps in vaguely the right direction at close range, it honestly has no downside. Now, if an unlock boosted my walking speed while firing instead of halving a time at the beginning of fire, I would be all ears.The think is the tomislav basically completely protects heavy's from scouts.
That spin up time was the way that scouts could kill heavys without getting filled with bullets.
Post by: The Doctor on June 30, 2011, 11:06:09 pm
I named my Your Eternal Reward "My Suit"/"You got blood on it."
When I told someone that was my plan, they donated a name tag AND a description tag, so I thought that was a good sign.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 30, 2011, 11:08:46 pm
Yeah, the thing about the tomislav is Sasha actually spins up nearly instantly as is, and the heavy's health more than covers the moment of spinup time. If you can aim your 500 dps in vaguely the right direction at close range, it honestly has no downside. Now, if an unlock boosted my walking speed while firing instead of halving a time at the beginning of fire, I would be all ears.
Tomislav is god. A silent, violent ninja GOD.
As for the speed boost, get a whip soldier. The speed boost applies even when spun up; spinning you move as fast as unspun, unspun you move like a medic :P
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 30, 2011, 11:12:24 pm
As for name/description combos,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Cthulhu on July 01, 2011, 12:33:26 am
Post by: dragonshardz on July 01, 2011, 01:52:01 am
"The Rocket Launcher strikes you in the head. The severed part flies off in an arc!"
Sorta like that?
I'm going to use something like that on my ☼Iron Repeating Crossbow☼ (AKA Natascha, since it is the gun which I have gotten the most use out of as Heavy.)
Post by: RF on July 01, 2011, 07:36:55 am
Post by: PTTG?? on July 01, 2011, 10:23:23 am
Just as an example, it works amazingly well with heavy-medic teams. The heavy's looking one way, the medic stops healing him, but he's obviously still there...
Post by: dragonshardz on July 01, 2011, 11:49:11 am
What am I doing wrong?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 01, 2011, 11:57:00 am
Post by: dragonshardz on July 01, 2011, 12:06:02 pm
I assume you need to place the file in a specific place, but I don't know where that is. You'll have to google it.
...tf/sound/ui...
My problem is that Instead of getting the sound I want, I'm getting nothing at all.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 01, 2011, 12:32:16 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on July 01, 2011, 01:04:17 pm
Ah, the sweet symphony of someone being lit aflame by my flamethrower...
DUN-BWAA DUN-BWAA DUN-BWAA DUN-BWAA DUN-BWAA DUN-BWAA DUN-BWAA DUN-BWAA DUN-BWAA
Post by: Cthulhu on July 01, 2011, 01:11:44 pm
And I've found the so called hacker. ^2<^9pTsD^2> ^2Khorne
Part of our group. So insult him and follow him around insulting him if you want.
No it's not. The guy was ^8N-^8O-^8O-^8N-^8E
And I'm pretty sure he wasn't hacking anyway.
Post by: Nilocy on July 01, 2011, 01:52:40 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 01, 2011, 02:09:25 pm
I didn't see anything that resembled hacking from him.
Post by: DJ on July 01, 2011, 02:16:00 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 01, 2011, 02:44:16 pm
I've actually been seeing several of these people with names like that as I play on the valve servers. Makes me wonder.And I've found the so called hacker. ^2<^9pTsD^2> ^2Khorne
Part of our group. So insult him and follow him around insulting him if you want.
No it's not. The guy was ^8N-^8O-^8O-^8N-^8E
And I'm pretty sure he wasn't hacking anyway.
Post by: Siquo on July 01, 2011, 02:53:35 pm
Post by: RF on July 01, 2011, 04:18:02 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on July 01, 2011, 04:20:10 pm
Anyone opened one of those Refreshing Summer Coolers and have any idea what's inside?Im pretty sure these are even crates. For example last Christmas everyone started finding Festive Crates, then valve announced that everyone would be getting one free key for these crates. So yeah, we'll probally be getting a key for them on July 4th.
Post by: breadbocks on July 01, 2011, 04:29:11 pm
Post by: RF on July 01, 2011, 04:32:11 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 01, 2011, 04:33:09 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on July 01, 2011, 04:59:37 pm
Anyone opened one of those Refreshing Summer Coolers and have any idea what's inside?Im pretty sure these are even crates. For example last Christmas everyone started finding Festive Crates, then valve announced that everyone would be getting one free key for these crates. So yeah, we'll probally be getting a key for them on July 4th.
Didn't play during christmas because I was busy, didn't get a festive crate, never got a christmasey key either as far as I remember.
Been playing on and off, haven't gotten a Refreshing Summer Cooler.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 01, 2011, 05:03:28 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on July 01, 2011, 05:22:53 pm
(http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/1m38742kj1jp7/7l6orf/emoticon-0173-middlefinger.png)
Post by: Cthulhu on July 01, 2011, 05:57:32 pm
Post by: Darvi on July 01, 2011, 06:02:34 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 01, 2011, 06:10:11 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 01, 2011, 06:21:04 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 01, 2011, 06:47:01 pm
Quote from: TF2 Blog
Note: The Scout is shown equipped with TWO miscellaneous slot items. We realize this is currently IMPOSSIBLE. After firing the artist responsible, we are now working on making that artist's vision a reality. (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=5770)Guess we're getting some more slots, guise.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 01, 2011, 07:23:53 pm
Post by: userpay on July 01, 2011, 07:27:25 pm
And I've found the so called hacker. ^2<^9pTsD^2> ^2Khorne
Part of our group. So insult him and follow him around insulting him if you want.
No it's not. The guy was ^8N-^8O-^8O-^8N-^8E
And I'm pretty sure he wasn't hacking anyway.
*shrugs* Pretty sure of what I saw but as I recall the server isn't replay enabled so its impossible really to go back and look at the situation.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 01, 2011, 09:41:12 pm
He can now WAAAAGH properly.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Cthulhu on July 01, 2011, 10:22:30 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 01, 2011, 10:23:35 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 01, 2011, 10:24:08 pm
When do the summer coolers expire? I got one really quickly somehow and I'll give it to anybody here if they want, maybe give me a scrap in return if you're nice.11th July.
Post by: userpay on July 01, 2011, 11:06:42 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 01, 2011, 11:22:30 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 01, 2011, 11:42:39 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 01, 2011, 11:51:06 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 02, 2011, 12:06:28 am
Post by: Bdthemag on July 02, 2011, 12:07:09 am
Post by: The Scout on July 02, 2011, 12:22:02 am
Post by: Bdthemag on July 02, 2011, 12:23:34 am
I'm waiting for the free key.Same thing happened on Christmas, the key was for sale but no one got it yet. Then we got it, wait for July 4th. But if its really full of awesome hats/misc items I suspect there won't be any free keys D:
Post by: breadbocks on July 02, 2011, 12:26:37 am
Post by: Bdthemag on July 02, 2011, 12:37:36 am
Post by: MagmaDeath on July 02, 2011, 12:39:03 am
I GOT THE JAW.
also the sultan hat #95.
Someone really wanted a detective noir.
Post by: dragonshardz on July 02, 2011, 01:06:12 am
Post by: Enzo on July 02, 2011, 01:10:08 am
Or maybe I'm just reading too far into this. But given the amount of people who seem to be buying keys, I think it's working. I'll probably just trade mine.
Post by: Bdthemag on July 02, 2011, 01:11:32 am
I got traded a Summer Cooler for some of my misc items. I'm not buying a facking key for it.Sorry to say this, but you just got scammed.
Post by: breadbocks on July 02, 2011, 01:13:57 am
Also, if someone is willing to give away their coolers for free, I'll take em.
Post by: RF on July 02, 2011, 03:12:09 am
Post by: Enzo on July 02, 2011, 03:16:36 am
Where are you all seeing the items you can get from these Coolers?
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Supply_crates#Series_.2322_-_Refreshing_Summer_Cooler (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Supply_crates#Series_.2322_-_Refreshing_Summer_Cooler)
TF wiki is surprisingly informative.
Post by: RF on July 02, 2011, 03:22:01 am
Where are you all seeing the items you can get from these Coolers?http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Supply_crates#Series_.2322_-_Refreshing_Summer_Cooler (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Supply_crates#Series_.2322_-_Refreshing_Summer_Cooler)
TF wiki is surprisingly informative.
Series #22 - Refreshing Summer Cooler
Added in the June 28, 2011 Patch. These particular crates cannot be opened with the normal Mann Co. Supply Crate Key.
All I'm seeing on this page.
Post by: LASD on July 02, 2011, 03:28:12 am
Code: [Select]
In-game description Drop rate* Estimated drop rate**
Big Steel Jaw of Summer Fun -% -%
Copper's Hard Top -% -%
Nessie's Nine Iron -% -%
Postal Pummeler -% -%
Prairie Heel Biters -% -%
Rogue's Col Roule -% -%
Security Shades -% -%
Stately Steel Toe -% -%
Tam O' Shanter -% -%
Or an Exceedingly Rare Special Item! -% -%When comparing this to the other series, I see how Valve is making it far more lucrative than any other crates.
Wait, what the hell, Series #20 has Rocket Launchers and Shotguns as drops?
EDIT: Guess I should read what it says, all the weapons are indeed the strange variety.
Post by: breadbocks on July 02, 2011, 05:45:09 am
Post by: mattie2009 on July 02, 2011, 08:44:30 am
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=300 (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=300)
only instead of regular crates it's THEMED *waves hands in the air* crates.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 02, 2011, 09:50:54 am
But yeah, judging by the items in these crates I have a feeling there aren't going to be any free keys. That last free key was a Christmas present, remember.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 02, 2011, 04:21:11 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 02, 2011, 04:26:47 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 02, 2011, 04:28:31 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on July 02, 2011, 04:35:33 pm
I got traded a Summer Cooler for some of my misc items. I'm not buying a facking key for it.Sorry to say this, but you just got scammed.
Meh. It was a random misc item I had no use for and that the guy needed. I got a Soda Popper too, so it wasn't a total loss.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 02, 2011, 09:38:12 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on July 02, 2011, 09:41:46 pm
I would be willing to bet that we will get a key, so everybody should have one cooler handy.Im doubting this now after seeing the contents of the crate. Its not like Valve to give away keys to a crate which has alot of awesome stuff in it.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 02, 2011, 10:20:03 pm
Post by: jaxy15 on July 03, 2011, 02:07:16 pm
My favorite games don't appear and the non-favorites take a pretty long time to load. And I can't even play them because they're apparently not responding.
Post by: LASD on July 03, 2011, 02:08:53 pm
Especially annoying if you just had to get a new hard drive and are in the process of reinstalling most of your games. ARHG.
EDIT: Humm, changing the download location to Siberia seems to have done the trick.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 03, 2011, 02:45:35 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on July 03, 2011, 03:19:22 pm
I would be willing to bet that we will get a key, so everybody should have one cooler handy.Im doubting this now after seeing the contents of the crate. Its not like Valve to give away keys to a crate which has alot of awesome stuff in it.
What part of that list was awesome? ???
Post by: Cthulhu on July 03, 2011, 03:23:40 pm
I also doubt we'll be seeing any free keys here.
Post by: breadbocks on July 03, 2011, 04:58:04 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on July 03, 2011, 06:23:34 pm
The spy's turtleneck is lame. That is all I have to say on the matter.I think its awesome.
Post by: breadbocks on July 03, 2011, 06:30:34 pm
I got it, and the lame-er Copper Hard Top, and have seen it is literally just changing the shirt under it to be smooth and have a higher collar. It is lame.The spy's turtleneck is lame. That is all I have to say on the matter.I think its awesome.
Post by: Bdthemag on July 03, 2011, 06:31:33 pm
Feel free to give it to me if you don't like it :PI got it, and the lame-er Copper Hard Top, and have seen it is literally just changing the shirt under it to be smooth and have a higher collar. It is lame.The spy's turtleneck is lame. That is all I have to say on the matter.I think its awesome.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 03, 2011, 10:59:44 pm
If we don't get one, and I don't blow the 10$ in my steam account on the sale, I may still buy one.
Post by: userpay on July 03, 2011, 11:39:53 pm
Post by: Neyvn on July 04, 2011, 12:34:23 am
When did that Shoe on Pyro's head thing come out??? Cause....
http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/534
This was posted around June the 29th...
Post by: jaxy15 on July 04, 2011, 04:08:13 am
TF2 can't connect to the damn item server.
Post by: Metalax on July 04, 2011, 06:59:45 am
Post by: Shadowlord on July 04, 2011, 07:06:07 am
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 04, 2011, 11:18:50 am
Post by: breadbocks on July 05, 2011, 08:24:29 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 05, 2011, 08:27:40 pm
Has anybody been having trouble launching this recently? It's been getting stuck on the "Preparing to launch Team Fortress 2..." window. When I try launching it from the steamapps folder, I get the error "Setup file 'gameinfo.txt" doesn't exist in subdirectory 'hl2'. Check your -game parameter or VCONFIG setting."Try going into Team Fortress 2 Properties / Local Files / Verify Integrity of Game Cache.
EDIT: Also, you can't launch the HL2 engine directly. Must be done from Steam. Might work with the "-game 440" parameter, but probably not.
Post by: Cthulhu on July 05, 2011, 08:29:42 pm
Neveyn, your link just crashed my computer TWICE IN A ROW. >:( Oh well, I get the idea.
Be thankful, nerfnow is a terrible comic.
Post by: The Scout on July 05, 2011, 08:31:20 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 05, 2011, 08:35:31 pm
Be thankful, nerfnow is a terrible comic.I'd quite disagree. Every webcomic is terrible, NerfNow still tends to be one of the better ones.
I am curious, what makes it a terrible comic?
Post by: Glowcat on July 05, 2011, 08:53:20 pm
No free keys? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuu.
Anybody giving away coolers then?
Post by: breadbocks on July 05, 2011, 09:01:28 pm
Still isn't working. I also tried defragging it. This is really annoying.Has anybody been having trouble launching this recently? It's been getting stuck on the "Preparing to launch Team Fortress 2..." window. When I try launching it from the steamapps folder, I get the error "Setup file 'gameinfo.txt" doesn't exist in subdirectory 'hl2'. Check your -game parameter or VCONFIG setting."Try going into Team Fortress 2 Properties / Local Files / Verify Integrity of Game Cache.
EDIT: Also, you can't launch the HL2 engine directly. Must be done from Steam. Might work with the "-game 440" parameter, but probably not.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 05, 2011, 09:06:22 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 05, 2011, 09:07:57 pm
As a final solution, a modified Steam like GreenLuma should help. It should force through any connections to Steam server. And you should still be able to play on servers, since you have aStill isn't working. I also tried defragging it. This is really annoying.Has anybody been having trouble launching this recently? It's been getting stuck on the "Preparing to launch Team Fortress 2..." window. When I try launching it from the steamapps folder, I get the error "Setup file 'gameinfo.txt" doesn't exist in subdirectory 'hl2'. Check your -game parameter or VCONFIG setting."Try going into Team Fortress 2 Properties / Local Files / Verify Integrity of Game Cache.
EDIT: Also, you can't launch the HL2 engine directly. Must be done from Steam. Might work with the "-game 440" parameter, but probably not.
valid Steam ID.
Dunno about the risks and the legality of it, so I wouldn't really reccomend it.
Oh yeah, try changing your local Steam server. Might help.
Post by: dragonshardz on July 05, 2011, 09:10:59 pm
No free keys? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuu.
Anybody giving away coolers then?
You can have mine if you want 'em.
I also have been unable to launch TF2. I don't even get an error, it just sits there at the preparing to launch screen for five minutes. In fact, none of my Source engine games are launching at all.
Post by: FunctionZero on July 05, 2011, 09:26:55 pm
I also have been unable to launch TF2. I don't even get an error, it just sits there at the preparing to launch screen for five minutes. In fact, none of my Source engine games are launching at all.TF2's working fine here. My guess is still on some broken Steam servers.
Post by: 3 on July 05, 2011, 09:45:02 pm
You can have mine if you want 'em.
Ooh, can I have one? I'm Threevil on Steam.
I had the "hangs on preparing to launch screen" issue a couple of days ago but it seems rebooting sorted it out. I think I'd suspect it being due to something on the server end as well.
Post by: Bdthemag on July 09, 2011, 04:59:52 am
Post by: dragonshardz on July 09, 2011, 07:05:41 am
You can have mine if you want 'em.
Ooh, can I have one? I'm Threevil on Steam.
I had the "hangs on preparing to launch screen" issue a couple of days ago but it seems rebooting sorted it out. I think I'd suspect it being due to something on the server end as well.
You can have both of them, if you like. I'll take any spare weapons that I don't currently have.
Post by: RF on July 09, 2011, 07:07:31 am
Well Fuck, I was scammed recently. The guy took most of my hats when it was supposed to be a hats for game deal, guess thats what I get for not being careful.
No offence but...
You REALLY fell for that?
Post by: kilakan on July 09, 2011, 09:20:09 am
Well Fuck, I was scammed recently. The guy took most of my hats when it was supposed to be a hats for game deal, guess thats what I get for not being careful.I don't think you can even consider that a scam.... that was just really stupid.
Post by: 3 on July 09, 2011, 10:59:09 am
You can have both of them, if you like. I'll take any spare weapons that I don't currently have.
You can take your pick from the Force-A-Nature, Vita-Saw or Family Business. (I suppose this conversation should really be in the trading thread, but meh)
Post by: Strange guy on July 09, 2011, 11:18:57 am
Post by: dragonshardz on July 09, 2011, 04:11:40 pm
You can have both of them, if you like. I'll take any spare weapons that I don't currently have.
You can take your pick from the Force-A-Nature, Vita-Saw or Family Business. (I suppose this conversation should really be in the trading thread, but meh)
I'll take the Family Business, please and thanks. I'll add you here in a mo.
EDIT: Mind linking me to your profile? The only Threevil I can find hasn't logged on for 1088 days, according to Steam.
Post by: Bdthemag on July 09, 2011, 05:20:29 pm
Actually people do those deals all of the time. There's even a constantly updated scammer database and he wasn't in it, its not like im just walking up to random people asking them.Well Fuck, I was scammed recently. The guy took most of my hats when it was supposed to be a hats for game deal, guess thats what I get for not being careful.I don't think you can even consider that a scam.... that was just really stupid.
Post by: umiman on July 09, 2011, 05:49:20 pm
How do you think people get added to that list?Actually people do those deals all of the time. There's even a constantly updated scammer database and he wasn't in it, its not like im just walking up to random people asking them.Well Fuck, I was scammed recently. The guy took most of my hats when it was supposed to be a hats for game deal, guess thats what I get for not being careful.I don't think you can even consider that a scam.... that was just really stupid.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 09, 2011, 10:57:57 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on July 09, 2011, 11:05:41 pm
Hey Bay12, I have a friend who recently picked up TF2 as a Free-To-Play game. He has no access to a steam wallet, but I have some money lying around. I tried to find some way to gift him a premium account, but while I could give him another game to increase his steam privileges, I can't seem to give him something to upgrade his tf2 account now that the game itself is free. A gift from the Mann Co store would not authenticate the account. Is there some way around this? If not, what's the cheapest, best game that I can gift him so that he can use all of the steam features if not all the TF2 ones?You could gift him one of the games from the Penny Arcade Adventures series, the first one is $1.20.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 09, 2011, 11:14:36 pm
EDIT: Actually, would buying him the whole Orange Box not only give him all the other games, but also upgrade his TF2? Hrmmm..... I might have to send an email to customer support about that. It's a bit vague at the moment.
Post by: breadbocks on July 09, 2011, 11:20:05 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 09, 2011, 11:31:22 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 09, 2011, 11:41:18 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 09, 2011, 11:55:19 pm
Post by: Dsarker on July 10, 2011, 03:15:51 am
Post by: Shadowlord on July 10, 2011, 03:41:05 am
I play from time to time, and almost nothing drops. Sure as hell not a summer cooler. Which I wouldn't buy a key to open anyways. So that would be a waste of time. :P
Post by: Dsarker on July 10, 2011, 03:59:33 am
Post by: Enzo on July 10, 2011, 04:44:10 am
Yeah. It's actually annoying, I'd rather get another weapon I already have than a summer crate.
Crates are on a different drop clock than other items, so it's not like you're getting a crate instead of anything, it's just a crate.
I decided to open a summer cooler and got the item I wanted the least. Lesson learned : never open crates.
Post by: breadbocks on July 10, 2011, 04:51:20 am
I'm about to open one more.
Post by: Dsarker on July 10, 2011, 04:55:09 am
Post by: breadbocks on July 10, 2011, 04:58:42 am
Post by: Dsarker on July 10, 2011, 05:00:07 am
Post by: breadbocks on July 10, 2011, 05:02:09 am
Post by: Astral on July 10, 2011, 05:50:01 am
Post by: RF on July 10, 2011, 06:45:51 am
I dunno. Shoe on head for the pyro is something I wanted.
Which is something I have.
Let's take it to the trading thread or add me on Steam, please.
Post by: 3 on July 10, 2011, 07:14:26 am
EDIT: Mind linking me to your profile? The only Threevil I can find hasn't logged on for 1088 days, according to Steam.
Yeah, sorry. Steam keeps confusing me with the weird way it handles aliases. Looks like you've accepted my friend request anyway.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 10, 2011, 01:52:47 pm
Post by: RF on July 11, 2011, 03:41:25 am
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 11, 2011, 06:31:23 am
P.S: My alias is Honey Badger (Might be confused with others, though).
P.S.S:Too many summer coolers!
Post by: Blargityblarg on July 11, 2011, 08:11:35 am
I only opened one cooler, and I got the jaw. :P :P :P
Likewise. Shit was reasonably cash.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 11, 2011, 12:38:17 pm
I've got my Jaw. And now I want a name tag so I can call one of my guns "MORE DAKKA". :DWhat are you thinking? Name them ALL "MORE DAKKA" and describe them "DAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKA"
That should do the trick...
Post by: Shadowlord on July 11, 2011, 02:23:33 pm
Post by: Dermonster on July 11, 2011, 02:28:25 pm
Was in top 20 of moments of day.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 11, 2011, 06:53:36 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on July 11, 2011, 06:54:12 pm
What exactly does it do?You wear it on your head and it looks awesome.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 11, 2011, 07:11:43 pm
Post by: Dermonster on July 11, 2011, 07:24:38 pm
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 12, 2011, 08:47:54 am
Nope, it's just craftable with logic instead of just metal that inexplicably clothifies in great mass.It's still unknown as to how you get the plastic tubes, though.
Post by: The Scout on July 12, 2011, 09:32:17 am
Post by: dragnar on July 12, 2011, 10:53:20 am
Nope, it's just craftable with logic instead of just metal that inexplicably clothifies in great mass.Not to mention that that metal was mineralfied from large numbers of sandwiches.
Post by: Dermonster on July 12, 2011, 11:25:18 am
It also gives fro's and hair.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 12, 2011, 02:56:22 pm
If you're in a game with a fellow engineer, help him out. One thing worth considering is that you can pass though allied buildings, but not you own.
Post by: breadbocks on July 12, 2011, 03:02:19 pm
The "circle the wagons" achievement, awarded for repairing 50k damage to ally's buildings, is the least common one, aside from the movie achievements.I've caught more than one spy being unable to walk through buildings. :))
If you're in a game with a fellow engineer, help him out. One thing worth considering is that you can pass though allied buildings, but not you own.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 12, 2011, 03:10:12 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 12, 2011, 03:32:34 pm
Is there a doorway to your engineer nest that You can't always have your eye on? Place the dispenser so that spies either cannot enter or have to jump over it. They can always just destroy it, but that will warn you of a spy or some class sneaking by that way so you can prepare for it.The "circle the wagons" achievement, awarded for repairing 50k damage to ally's buildings, is the least common one, aside from the movie achievements.I've caught more than one spy being unable to walk through buildings. :))
If you're in a game with a fellow engineer, help him out. One thing worth considering is that you can pass though allied buildings, but not you own.
Post by: breadbocks on July 12, 2011, 03:39:57 pm
It doesn't work for my playstyle anyways, because I set my stuff down next to another engy's and bust out my FJ and go shooting.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 12, 2011, 03:51:38 pm
You of course run into the problem of not being able to leave, if for some reason you need to, and there's the other problem of good places to camp out don't have only one way in, because otherwise your sentry is being useless.
It doesn't work for my playstyle anyways, because I set my stuff down next to another engy's and bust out my FJ and go shooting.
You do know you can climb over stuff by jump-crouching, like in Half-life?
Post by: The Scout on July 12, 2011, 03:56:20 pm
I'm starting to have dreams about TF2. I was playing a engineer kitted out to be a good assault class for some reason.That's normal. Then you get crazy stuff.
Post by: breadbocks on July 12, 2011, 04:14:05 pm
Yeah, but it's a bitch in low ceiling places. And if there's only one way in/out, odds are it has a low ceiling.You of course run into the problem of not being able to leave, if for some reason you need to, and there's the other problem of good places to camp out don't have only one way in, because otherwise your sentry is being useless.
It doesn't work for my playstyle anyways, because I set my stuff down next to another engy's and bust out my FJ and go shooting.
You do know you can climb over stuff by jump-crouching, like in Half-life?
Post by: Darion on July 12, 2011, 05:47:40 pm
Post by: The Doctor on July 12, 2011, 07:21:42 pm
Besides, might as well erase it all. After a while it gets clogged with your BEST EVER scores with everyone, instead of your averages.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 12, 2011, 07:28:57 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 12, 2011, 07:32:35 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 12, 2011, 07:34:11 pm
Does clearing that data remove the time spent playing each class as well? I kinda don't want to remove that.No.
How hard is hosting a TF2 server for 2 people? Do certain ports have to be open?
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 12, 2011, 10:07:08 pm
http://forums.srcds.com/viewtopic/5439 (http://forums.srcds.com/viewtopic/5439)
adding sourcemod and stuff is a bit tricky, but not hard to figure out over time and fast to do once you know how.
In other news, I recently picked up the sniper as a class I play. All of a sudden today I start getting 10-15 headshots in one life. It's so much fun to be finally able to aim and win sniper duels for a change.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 12, 2011, 10:23:48 pm
A large number of the shots seem to hit people in the throat though. Maybe I need to start compensating.
Post by: Flying Carcass on July 12, 2011, 10:28:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UtjqYGeUjU&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 13, 2011, 09:30:36 am
Post by: breadbocks on July 13, 2011, 10:02:25 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 13, 2011, 10:12:18 pm
Does anybody have a good lefty key set-up? WADS is kinda awkward.Is your mouse on the left side?
Post by: FunctionZero on July 13, 2011, 11:08:04 pm
Does anybody have a good lefty key set-up? WADS is kinda awkward.I'm not really a lefty, but I've always used the mouse with my left hand. Dunno why.
Anyway, what I have, and feel really comfortable with, is on numpad: 5 2 1 3 as WSAD, respectably, 0 for crouch, 6 for jump and some other misc keys around that.
You should have plenty space to allocate all.
Post by: breadbocks on July 13, 2011, 11:11:04 pm
Yeah, thus the problem. I'm more or less ambidextrous, but my right hand has to get angled weirdly to press the movement keys, and I can't reach the other keys at all. :-\Does anybody have a good lefty key set-up? WADS is kinda awkward.Is your mouse on the left side?
That would work, but I don't have a numpad. Standard laptop keyboard.Does anybody have a good lefty key set-up? WADS is kinda awkward.I'm not really a lefty, but I've always used the mouse with my left hand. Dunno why.
Anyway, what I have, and feel really comfortable with, is on numpad: 5 2 1 3 as WSAD, respectably, 0 for crouch, 6 for jump and some other misc keys around that.
You should have plenty space to allocate all.
Post by: The Scout on July 13, 2011, 11:11:45 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 13, 2011, 11:13:04 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 13, 2011, 11:13:44 pm
That's a downer then. I've got a wide 17.3 laptop, so mine has numpad.That would work, but I don't have a numpad. Standard laptop keyboard.Does anybody have a good lefty key set-up? WADS is kinda awkward.I'm not really a lefty, but I've always used the mouse with my left hand. Dunno why.
Anyway, what I have, and feel really comfortable with, is on numpad: 5 2 1 3 as WSAD, respectably, 0 for crouch, 6 for jump and some other misc keys around that.
You should have plenty space to allocate all.
I dunno then. Short of buying an external keyboard, it would be pretty hard to play.
Post by: Thexor on July 14, 2011, 01:37:23 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 15, 2011, 10:00:34 pm
Jackrabbit, I've found that the best way to get headshots is to do a horizontal sweep that begins at head level and try to stop on their head. The beauty of this is if you overshoot with your cursor, you can still click on their heads en route. It's sort of all or nothing (few bodyshots) but it works nicely for me.
I'll give it a shot, but I am so twitchy I can't pull off smooth movements with the mouse.
Maybe I'll mess with the sensitivity in offline mode and see what works.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 15, 2011, 11:27:47 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 15, 2011, 11:29:25 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on July 15, 2011, 11:55:02 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 16, 2011, 12:40:43 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 16, 2011, 06:24:36 am
Soda Popper, Bonk/Winger, and the sandman. Keep jumping around and pelting them with bullets.
I actually just tried this setup today and it is really, really good.
Post by: breadbocks on July 16, 2011, 06:57:44 am
That Crit-a-cola? Fuck that piece of shit. =Y
Post by: kilakan on July 16, 2011, 09:05:24 am
That Crit-a-cola? Fuck that piece of shit. =YLE GASP! Crit a cola lets you fucking rape with the scattergun, you just have to position yourself behind the enemy, so you can shoot them in the back, kill them, and escape towards your team.
Post by: breadbocks on July 16, 2011, 09:43:03 am
Post by: DJ on July 16, 2011, 09:50:59 am
Post by: Nilocy on July 19, 2011, 12:31:24 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 19, 2011, 12:37:03 am
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2004689 oh ho hoPyro's secret moon mission using monkeys
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 19, 2011, 12:53:04 am
Post by: The Scout on July 19, 2011, 12:53:14 am
Post by: lurtze1 on July 19, 2011, 03:10:04 am
Post by: FunctionZero on July 19, 2011, 03:28:28 am
Post by: PTTG?? on July 19, 2011, 09:52:22 am
Quote
Burden of the State
Level 35 Cape
25% more damage received
20% less damage done to nearby allies
Medics that are healing you are 'nearby'.
In one fell swoop, this makes heavies the core of an attack, not solo raiders. It allows them to continue to protect pocket medics (while giving the medics more injuries to heal). It would look awesome- a team-colored cape with a hammer and sickle on it. It would also accentuate the heavy's role as giant meat wall, taking damage for the players behind and around him.
It also makes pocket medics by-proxy more helpful to allies, keeping them healthy by keeping the source of a handsome damage reduction alive.
Much like the buff banner, it is a Team before Me item that rewards interaction with teammates and penalizes lone wolfing.
Post by: Siquo on July 19, 2011, 09:54:17 am
Now that I thought of it, I want this so bad.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 19, 2011, 10:05:31 am
Ok, so well he can still build his dispenser and teleporter, but this would probably replace the sentry.
Post by: Siquo on July 19, 2011, 10:08:17 am
So the engie can change class to the scout, but can also be randomly killed by surprise and doesn't have guns?I'd say it replaces the shotgun, that's a significant disadvantage. Jumping around as a crazy monkey sure beats base-camping.
Ok, so well he can still build his dispenser and teleporter, but this would probably replace the sentry.
Post by: Strange guy on July 19, 2011, 10:11:20 am
Wasn't there something about Mann Co. sending monkeys to space waaaaaaay back when? Soldier update, maybe? Or Engineer? It was on one of those newspaper things.
That was this. (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/saxtonhale/poopyjoe.htm)
It's already served it's purpose of hinting at the equalizer and the eyelander, but perhaps we'll see larate next update. Or Vladimir Bananas as a boss for the raid mode that people claimed was coming long ago. Probably irrelevant though.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 19, 2011, 10:49:07 am
Post by: PTTG?? on July 19, 2011, 11:22:12 am
Post by: sluissa on July 19, 2011, 12:24:51 pm
The engy gets a remote-controlled robot monkey, somewhat like the RC-car from COD:BO, but it can just do melee damage. Upside: it can double jump and is very fast. Downside is that while controlling it your char is vulnerable to attack.
Now that I thought of it, I want this so bad.
Just change class to the scout. If you've got enough time to mess with that as an engy, you're doing it wrong.
Post by: Darvi on July 19, 2011, 12:28:14 pm
Team Vrs. Hale mode. It's coming.Doesn't that already exist? I could swear that I killed a few people as Hale.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 19, 2011, 01:14:45 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 19, 2011, 02:36:07 pm
I wouldn't think that Saxton Hale would believe in rockets anyways. He'd build a ladder to the moon or something instead.Reminds me of that picture with a guy riding a nuke.
If he did, though, rocket-crash-landing entrances would be a truly smashing way to get around.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 19, 2011, 02:45:30 pm
I wouldn't think that Saxton Hale would believe in rockets anyways. He'd build a ladder to the moon or something instead.
If he did, though, rocket-crash-landing entrances would be a truly smashing way to get around.
Don't be rediculous. He'd use rockets- TO BUILD A LADDER!
Post by: DarkerDark on July 19, 2011, 03:04:23 pm
Say that these rockets never made it into space, and instead, they came hurtling back down to Earth. The Saxton Hale clone climbs out of the wreckage, and not knowing any place that isn't Australia, believes that he is truly on an alien world. Imagine his surprise when he sees not only the mercenaries from RED, but also the mercenaries from BLU rushing in to retrieve him. This can only lead him to believe that the aliens have hit him with some sort of jedi-mind-trick, and that the friendly mercenaries aren't really mercenaries at all, but hostile aliens looking to take him back to their sinister laboratories for dissection! He was never issued a tin-foil hat to protect against mind control, after all.
Cue Saxton Hale mode, as the mercenaries from both teams try to bring down a clone hell-bent on destroying all "alien" life on Earth.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 19, 2011, 10:10:17 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 20, 2011, 01:55:49 am
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 20, 2011, 01:07:36 pm
Post by: Metalax on July 20, 2011, 08:09:53 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=5887 (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=5887)
ray guns...
Post by: Enzo on July 20, 2011, 08:10:56 pm
Yessssss
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on July 20, 2011, 08:14:24 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on July 20, 2011, 08:23:19 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 20, 2011, 08:24:16 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on July 20, 2011, 08:24:57 pm
No ammo is such a killer perk. Both are for soldier, right?Yes, you didn't seem to get the memo that all future updates would be focused on the soldier :P
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 20, 2011, 08:26:28 pm
I sure hope this replaces the rocket launcher, and that the lasers aren't instant.
Post by: Enzo on July 20, 2011, 08:31:11 pm
Disabling structures? It's like a mini sapper.
I sure hope this replaces the rocket launcher, and that the lasers aren't instant.
It's a pretty Launcher-shaped weapon, I figure you're right on both counts.
Post by: breadbocks on July 20, 2011, 08:33:39 pm
I smell incoming nerfs.
Post by: Metalax on July 20, 2011, 08:41:35 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 20, 2011, 08:45:45 pm
Oh dear lord the new launcher is fun! ;D both single and charged shots which set people on fire.How did you get it so fast?
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 20, 2011, 08:47:32 pm
Purchased?Oh dear lord the new launcher is fun! ;D both single and charged shots which set people on fire.How did you get it so fast?
Post by: HLBeta on July 20, 2011, 08:55:29 pm
And what's with the non-reflectable note on the alt shotgun? I thought shotgun pellets couldn't be reflected anyway.
Post by: Dsarker on July 20, 2011, 09:05:41 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 20, 2011, 09:06:43 pm
Post by: Metalax on July 20, 2011, 09:07:19 pm
crafted. the launcher is blackbox + reclaimed, the raygun is battalions backup + reclaimed.Oh dear lord the new launcher is fun! ;D both single and charged shots which set people on fire.How did you get it so fast?
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 20, 2011, 09:19:27 pm
Has anybody else gained 50 ping from the uber update on? Every server I've joined seems to be unplayable....
Post by: Enzo on July 20, 2011, 09:20:21 pm
And what's with the non-reflectable note on the alt shotgun? I thought shotgun pellets couldn't be reflected anyway.
Because it specifies that it shoots projectiles, all others of which (rockets, bombs, arrows, flares, sandman balls) can be reflected.
crafted. the launcher is blackbox + reclaimed, the raygun is battalions backup + reclaimed.Oh dear lord the new launcher is fun! ;D both single and charged shots which set people on fire.How did you get it so fast?
Woohoo! My 4 Battalions Backup's just went up in value.
Post by: Aklyon on July 20, 2011, 09:23:42 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 20, 2011, 09:24:18 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 20, 2011, 09:24:52 pm
Such is the cycle of TF2.
Post by: breadbocks on July 20, 2011, 09:30:03 pm
Also, Team Fortress Pew sets you on fire.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on July 20, 2011, 09:32:22 pm
Post by: Aklyon on July 20, 2011, 09:37:11 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 20, 2011, 09:43:14 pm
I love the game, but I may never play it if it doesn't perform well...
Post by: Enzo on July 20, 2011, 10:46:55 pm
Has anybody else gained 50 ping with this latest update? I can't seem to play on any servers well.... :-\
I love the game, but I may never play it if it doesn't perform well...
I only noticed slightly higher slowdown, but one or two people on the server were complaining about massive lagspike glitching.
In related news, about 4 people on each team were using the new soldier launcher. Maybe I should wait a few more hours between a weapon release and playing from now on. The floating kills are also very distracting.
Post by: Nilocy on July 20, 2011, 10:49:18 pm
Its what TF2s been missing all these years : D
Post by: breadbocks on July 20, 2011, 10:53:44 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 20, 2011, 11:03:41 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on July 21, 2011, 12:39:53 am
It's fun tho, the pacing is somewhat different, thanks to the pistol and the charged shots lets you use some different strategies.
Post by: RF on July 21, 2011, 01:33:14 am
Post by: breadbocks on July 21, 2011, 01:34:31 am
Post by: The Scout on July 21, 2011, 02:51:40 am
Post by: jaxy15 on July 21, 2011, 03:24:44 am
Boy, it sure is awesome watching a bunch of enemies disintegrate.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 21, 2011, 05:05:48 am
Post by: PTTG?? on July 21, 2011, 09:47:39 am
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 21, 2011, 10:34:12 am
http://www.drgrordborts.com/dr-grordbort-s-infallible-aether-oscillators-where-science-meets-violence/ (http://www.drgrordborts.com/dr-grordbort-s-infallible-aether-oscillators-where-science-meets-violence/)
look at the bar on the right side of the page. These look exactly like TF2 weapons...
Actually, the hint on their website (they identified the Grocket!) is only for one ship, not three... pity.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Axil on July 21, 2011, 11:58:11 am
Post by: Sensei on July 21, 2011, 12:00:39 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 21, 2011, 12:41:53 pm
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 21, 2011, 03:45:09 pm
Plus, the laser blasts are particle intensive. If you don't have a really good computer, you'll lag to death.
Post by: Dsarker on July 21, 2011, 04:38:29 pm
Actually, why not a wrench that builds faster when you have more metal, but gets half as much metal from all sources?
Maybe a different bonus.
amount of metal you have is percentage of normal speed you build.
Post by: breadbocks on July 21, 2011, 04:48:34 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 21, 2011, 04:49:32 pm
Half is regular
No metal is... no repairing?
Post by: breadbocks on July 21, 2011, 04:50:54 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 21, 2011, 04:51:36 pm
Ugh, no. I don't want to be building half speed when I throw down a turret.Good point, Maybe it should calculate the build speed of a particular object the moment before it is placed. This would affect the natural build rate and enhanced build rate by wrenching it.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 21, 2011, 04:53:14 pm
These laser guns are having the same hype as other item updates, and suffice to say, it's no different.
Plus, the laser blasts are particle intensive. If you don't have a really good computer, you'll lag to death.
Hopefully they'll add an option to turn that down on your end. Other than that problem, I really like these guns.
Full metal is 200%
Half is regular
No metal is... no repairing?
I see nothing worthwhile in this. To get the benefit the Engie'd have to build near a metal source and go after it the moment he places his construction, cause the metal cost for a turret would take him below half metal.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 21, 2011, 04:58:20 pm
Ugh, no. I don't want to be building half speed when I throw down a turret.Good point, Maybe it should calculate the build speed of a particular object the moment before it is placed. This would affect the natural build rate and enhanced build rate by wrenching it.
On the contrary, the turret would start setting up at normal rate, then you could either stay and wrench it into postion at 50% speed, or you could go grab some metal to fill back up and go at 200% speed.
Post by: Glowcat on July 21, 2011, 05:02:25 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 21, 2011, 05:36:01 pm
Critspencer:
Dispenser Replacement
-50% Health rate
-50% Metal frequency
Metal dispenses give +20% Crit rate for all randomly critting weapons.
(Every time it ticks over with more metal or ammo, it gives everyone a short boost. If it runs out of ammo, it has to recharge to give more crits too)
Big Rig:
Dispenser Replacement
-50% Building health
3x Ammo and health broadcast range
(Opens up nests and lets engies be more helpful at holding points out in the open, by letting them put dispensers farther from the action.)
Prairie Dog Hunter:
Turret Replacement
x4 Detection and firing range
Cannot change pitch (only fires level with ground)
(Exellent at covering wide areas, but terrible about tall ones.)
Dum-dum:
Turret Replacement
-25% Gun damage
+50% Gun pushback
-100% Rocket damage
+Rockets stun
(It's really, really stupid, but it's something to help keep ubers at bay)
Double Header:
Teleporter Replacement
+ Works both ways
- Sparkles are not team colored for spies.
(Perfect for gravel pit defense.)
Getta Move On:
Teleporter Replacement:
- Not a teleporter
+ "Entrance" doubles speed for short time.
+ "Exit" provides powerful vertical jump similar to rocket jump.
(Allows engie to do some things a teleporter can't, while losing some uniquely teleporter abilities.)
Post by: Bordellimies on July 21, 2011, 05:47:06 pm
My new favorite TF2 YTP.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 21, 2011, 05:49:39 pm
The idea is a turret that denies open areas and can fire over obstacles. It would lack the DPS of the normal turret for better burst damage and safer placement locations. Completely useless indoors, unless Valve figures out a way of placing buildings on walls and ceilings. Only problem I can foresee is calculating trajectories and determining if it can hit a player or not. And the usual balance issues with maps, placement and burst damage, but whaever on that balance is not as important as fun nowadays.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 21, 2011, 06:06:08 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on July 21, 2011, 06:17:34 pm
These are all just made up right? This is not a real update, correct? It definitely looks like one...
They are 100% fake.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 21, 2011, 06:28:51 pm
Getta Move On:You don't know how much I'd use this.
Teleporter Replacement:
- Not a teleporter
+ "Entrance" doubles speed for short time.
+ "Exit" provides powerful vertical jump similar to rocket jump.
It's so hard keeping a teleporter pair up and functional all the time except in the most linear of maps.
Post by: The Scout on July 21, 2011, 06:34:21 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 21, 2011, 06:46:53 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 21, 2011, 06:50:17 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 21, 2011, 06:50:56 pm
Double speed= SCOUT: WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I kinda like the idea of a Bonk'd scout running over the accelerator and exploding.
Post by: Dsarker on July 21, 2011, 07:15:08 pm
Post by: Enzo on July 21, 2011, 07:19:33 pm
Getta Move On:
Teleporter Replacement:
- Not a teleporter
+ "Entrance" doubles speed for short time.
+ "Exit" provides powerful vertical jump similar to rocket jump.
As if dispenser-jumping Engies couldn't reach enough annoying places already. Most of that stuff sounds cool though. I hope the Engie does get some more varied gear. People may say it'll take away what makes the Engie who he is, but it's not like it's not happening to all the other classes already. Demoknights, Quickfixes, Huntsmans (men?)...
Force Field Generator:
Dispenser Replacement:
+ Damage Reduction to all allies and friendly buildings in range.
(Radius and DR amount varies by Upgrade Level)
- Ammo and metal dispenses at -75% normal rate.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 21, 2011, 07:21:07 pm
Messing with their friction, however, has not been messed with.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 21, 2011, 08:56:45 pm
Post by: Cthulhu on July 21, 2011, 09:05:21 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 21, 2011, 09:15:08 pm
Prairie Dog Hunter is just stupid, should be 50% more and "very limited" movement up and down.
Big Rig is fine, might need slightly smaller range.
Critspencer is kind of hilarious, but it'd be great to have.
If the Dum-dum is to be used at all, it should have reduced fire speed in addition to even less damage than you already have.
Post by: breadbocks on July 21, 2011, 09:24:11 pm
Post by: The Doctor on July 21, 2011, 10:24:41 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 21, 2011, 10:58:02 pm
Tele'ing both ways would mean you don't need a dispenser on the front lines, just a teleporter, since they can go back to the re-supply closet easily.
Maaaybe. Maybe teleporting itself can take more time? short enough so it doesn't matter on one trip, but taking two or more trips means you start to spend a lot of time waiting.
Anyway, while a dispenser lets you stay in place wrenching everything into shape, you'd have to leave the teleporter vulnerable to get more metal.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 21, 2011, 11:05:39 pm
Post by: kg333 on July 22, 2011, 12:00:49 am
KG
Post by: Enzo on July 22, 2011, 12:15:13 am
I swear every soldier on the server I was playing had one.
I played a 12-per-team server with 8 Soldiers on my team tonight.
It was one of the biggest class imbalances I have ever seen, and was actually pretty fun. Half their team went Pyro just to airblast the shit out of us.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 22, 2011, 12:26:05 am
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 22, 2011, 12:26:58 am
To be honest, if I had to pick one class to have too many of, I'd probably pick soldier.For hilariousness I'd pick spy though. I'd like to see a server that forced everyone to be spies.
Post by: Enzo on July 22, 2011, 12:33:41 am
To be honest, if I had to pick one class to have too many of, I'd probably pick soldier.For hilariousness I'd pick spy though. I'd like to see a server that forced everyone to be spies.
I'm reminded of a game on DFC. "Alright, everybody go spy." A couple people didn't play along. They got backstabbed a lot. That was fun too. I think we should have some 1 Class Only matches on the server C:
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 22, 2011, 12:34:48 am
:'(
Post by: Enzo on July 22, 2011, 12:47:45 am
Yeah, that's always fun. It's all fun and games until there are 12 heavies revved at your spawnroom door, and your whole team is snipers...
:'(
I meant both teams playing the same class. Heavy vs. Heavy would probably be the least interesting matchup, but many of the other matches would be great fun. Medic vs. Medic anyone?
Post by: Dsarker on July 22, 2011, 12:59:00 am
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 22, 2011, 01:00:17 am
Pyro vs Pyro, only backburner would be the most funny way to do it.
engineer versus engineer, I don't even know what would happen here if you made everybody use the gunslinger. The wrench would be too stalematey.
Post by: Sensei on July 22, 2011, 01:04:49 am
I would disguise myself as a heavy on my own team.To be honest, if I had to pick one class to have too many of, I'd probably pick soldier.For hilariousness I'd pick spy though. I'd like to see a server that forced everyone to be spies.
Post by: RF on July 22, 2011, 01:29:23 am
"Flight of Icarus"
Pyro Secondary Weapon
Whenever an enemy is hit by the flares shot by this gun, they are launched into the air. At the top of their flight arc, they catch fire.
-100% damage on hit.
4x slower reload speed.
It'd allow pyros to catch up to enemies over open ground and it'd just be cool and thematically awesome.
Post by: Thexor on July 22, 2011, 01:32:01 am
Team fortress 2 is multiplayer team warfare game. It is good game for the people who like fighting. I like this game very much.
Oh, hey, a spambot that bothers to read the thread's subject line before posting. At this rate, they'll soon be able to converse at the level of Youtube comments and political debates.
(Apologies if you're a human, but seriously, 4 posts that are all "Such-and-such game is X. It is good game."?)
Post by: Sensei on July 22, 2011, 01:42:50 am
Post by: Glowcat on July 22, 2011, 03:20:14 am
Post by: RF on July 22, 2011, 03:22:44 am
For Engie Sentry-Replacements, who about instead of a stun gun they can launch oil barrels which slick up the ground so players slide across it, but/plus the oil slicks can be ignited by pyros to cause massive flame damage.
Better off giving engies a replacement for the pistol instead of this. Jar of Oil? :p
Post by: Siquo on July 22, 2011, 03:23:10 am
Wow, players are BAD. Having a point total twice that of the next ranked player, all the time, isn't a game anymore, it's humiliating for me.
Post by: The Scout on July 22, 2011, 03:49:38 am
Post by: 3 on July 22, 2011, 04:15:59 am
Wow, players are BAD. Having a point total twice that of the next ranked player, all the time, isn't a game anymore, it's humiliating for me.
When I started playing (shortly after the game went free, so not long ago), and hadn't played a multiplayer FPS in years, I was consistently getting in the top three on random pub servers... and I was thinking how that couldn't possibly be right. How are people so bad at this? It's bizarre.
Post by: Flying Carcass on July 22, 2011, 06:26:56 am
Wow, players are BAD. Having a point total twice that of the next ranked player, all the time, isn't a game anymore, it's humiliating for me.
When I started playing (shortly after the game went free, so not long ago), and hadn't played a multiplayer FPS in years, I was consistently getting in the top three on random pub servers... and I was thinking how that couldn't possibly be right. How are people so bad at this? It's bizarre.
Its because a lot of the newer players want to be "teh uber" sniper or spy, but neglect to realize that one needs to be able to aim with the sniper and one needs to be inconspicuous with the spy. I've been in a number of teams where half the team was comprised of snipers, and the other half primarily of spies (and vice versa).
Post by: Siquo on July 22, 2011, 06:57:28 am
OTOH, playing as a spy, I was able to kill off the entire opposite team around the cart, one by one.
Playing as a scout noone was able to hit me.
Playing as a demo I was lobbing grenades left and right and people were just walking into them, it seemed.
There's a tipping point where it stops being an ego boost and I start feeling sorry for people.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 22, 2011, 07:30:29 am
Post by: Siquo on July 22, 2011, 07:58:46 am
Post by: RF on July 22, 2011, 07:59:25 am
and then you start to doubt that they're really people at all, and think "They behave exactly the same every time they respawn... They never say anything... They run right in the line of fire..."
And then you realise we exist in the generation that doesn't want to learn the game and just wants to be "teh uber" instantly.
There's the issue. They refuse to learn from their mistakes because it's THE GAME'S FAULT that they keep dying, not their's.
Post by: LASD on July 22, 2011, 08:47:30 am
Wow, players are BAD. Having a point total twice that of the next ranked player, all the time, isn't a game anymore, it's humiliating for me.Yeah, it kind of bothers me when I get to the top of the team playing a Frying Pan Demoknight. Or it would if I weren't busy laughing myself silly with all the "KLANG"'s landed on unsuspecting people coming from behind corners.
Post by: 3 on July 22, 2011, 08:50:25 am
On the subject, I had someone call the opposing team a "no-skill noob team" because it had something like 3 heavies and 3 pyros. He was losing. Protip: If you're losing to W+Mouse1, that's nobody's fault but your own. Not really an uncommon occurance in FPS culture, sure, but...
Enough rambling. I have now witnessed the wonder of the Soda Popper firsthand. Harass, circle, twoshot medic/engie/sniper, retreat with pistol for a cool 200+ damage, repeat.
Post by: Siquo on July 22, 2011, 09:50:13 am
I'm still doubting about that soda popper. It's very cool, but I'll use it when I get sick of my short stop, which isn't anytime soon. *pewpewpewpew*
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 22, 2011, 10:33:18 am
119 kills, 28 deaths, in about 30 minutes
Post by: Cthulhu on July 22, 2011, 12:00:00 pm
Post by: The Doctor on July 22, 2011, 01:42:49 pm
I did that last week, I was a medic.
We won.
Wut.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 22, 2011, 02:00:17 pm
Anyone play on a match where there were 3 medics and three spies?
I did that last week, I was a medic.
We won.
Wut.
If this was arena, then it makes some sense. Medics regenerate.
Post by: The Doctor on July 22, 2011, 02:25:40 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 22, 2011, 04:51:28 pm
Im also sorry, but anybody who describes Pyro as W+M1 automatically sounds like an enormous tool to me. It never existed and completely fucked up Pyro balance. See> Eualizer, Demoknight. Shoot. Them. With anything really.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 22, 2011, 04:56:12 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 22, 2011, 08:42:20 pm
The Mackarel is still way cooler than the frying pan. :)
I'm still doubting about that soda popper. It's very cool, but I'll use it when I get sick of my short stop, which isn't anytime soon. *pewpewpewpew*
It's actually surprisingly useful. If you pair it with the Winger, then you can do 21+ damage at medium range and 100+ at close, with each shot.
That said, yeah, love my Short Stop. Biggest problem with Scout is I'm always running out of shells and having to reload, and then shooting during the reloading and forgetting to check how many shells I have left. Soooo many perfect shots, wasted.
Post by: MaximumZero on July 23, 2011, 12:43:52 am
Post by: Aklyon on July 23, 2011, 12:45:53 am
Okay, so I have an odd proposition. How would I go about setting up a long-term server for TF2 while not actively playing it? For you guys, of course.You could try asking Kael or whoever runs the DFC server.
Post by: Thexor on July 23, 2011, 01:02:36 am
Okay, so I have an odd proposition. How would I go about setting up a long-term server for TF2 while not actively playing it? For you guys, of course.
Short answer? Download the server client, open up your ports, and run it. Volia, instant server!
Long answer? Unless you've got a lot of bandwidth (protip: if you don't know, you don't.) and a fair bit of memory, running a server for more than a few people will probably be impossible without severe lag. You can rent a server, of course, but now we're talking a considerable amount of money (and trust me, it's pretty much impossible to accumulate enough donations to keep it afloat. I know a lot of servers that have tried that, with poor results. :'( ).
Honestly? I'm of the opinion that it's easier to find some other server and crash on it. Sure, you don't get admin powers, but there's plenty of tomfoolery that can be had without on-demand noclip and the like. Moreover, you avoid all the headaches involved in maintaining a server - paying for sufficient bandwidth, rebooting it when it crashes, updating it when Valve decides to add two new weapons and 5000 particle effects... ;)
Post by: MaximumZero on July 23, 2011, 01:56:40 am
Okay, so I have an odd proposition. How would I go about setting up a long-term server for TF2 while not actively playing it? For you guys, of course.
Short answer? Download the server client, open up your ports, and run it. Volia, instant server!
Long answer? Unless you've got a lot of bandwidth (protip: if you don't know, you don't.) and a fair bit of memory, running a server for more than a few people will probably be impossible without severe lag. You can rent a server, of course, but now we're talking a considerable amount of money (and trust me, it's pretty much impossible to accumulate enough donations to keep it afloat. I know a lot of servers that have tried that, with poor results. :'( ).
Honestly? I'm of the opinion that it's easier to find some other server and crash on it. Sure, you don't get admin powers, but there's plenty of tomfoolery that can be had without on-demand noclip and the like. Moreover, you avoid all the headaches involved in maintaining a server - paying for sufficient bandwidth, rebooting it when it crashes, updating it when Valve decides to add two new weapons and 5000 particle effects... ;)
Welp, I seem to have all the power and bandwidth necessary to run a server, but am currently too derptarded to figure it out. Hopefully some sleep will cure that, and I'll have it up and running for you guys soon.
Post by: 3 on July 23, 2011, 07:43:34 am
Im also sorry, but anybody who describes Pyro as W+M1 automatically sounds like an enormous tool to me. It never existed and completely fucked up Pyro balance. See> Eualizer, Demoknight. Shoot. Them. With anything really.
My point exactly. I wasn't trying to say that W+M1 is a valid tactic, only that that the guy seemed to think it wasn't only valid but overpowered.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 23, 2011, 08:46:48 am
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 23, 2011, 11:30:57 am
Yeah, I main pyro, and liberal use of the degreaser/shotgun/axetinguisher is as viable as a good scout for close range combat (at least in pubs) because worst-case scenario, you have a scattergun that does -25% damage along with the incredibly powerful puff/sting/airblast/afterburn versatility and a bunch more health. If you play it less like pyro and more like scout, it's easy to be hugely successful. I personally consider the shotgun to be my primary, my axe to be my finishing move/ambush, and my degreaser is really just for utility purposes.Im also sorry, but anybody who describes Pyro as W+M1 automatically sounds like an enormous tool to me. It never existed and completely fucked up Pyro balance. See> Eualizer, Demoknight. Shoot. Them. With anything really.
My point exactly. I wasn't trying to say that W+M1 is a valid tactic, only that that the guy seemed to think it wasn't only valid but overpowered.
Post by: The Scout on July 23, 2011, 12:05:47 pm
Post by: Thexor on July 23, 2011, 01:25:40 pm
I treat my flare gun like my main, my Backburner is secondary, and my Rake is last. Also, bear claws + steak is awesome in arena. The rake is just crazy.
I would worship the bear claws if the darn things didn't fill up half the screen. Turning off viewmodels helps... but I like having viewmodels on other weapons (where they don't block the whole screen!). Decisions, decisions... >:(
Post by: RF on July 23, 2011, 01:28:45 pm
Post by: Siquo on July 23, 2011, 01:31:06 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on July 23, 2011, 01:34:13 pm
Post by: The Doctor on July 23, 2011, 01:35:30 pm
Area Denial would be a great change for the pyro, who's all about the ambush right now.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 23, 2011, 01:39:31 pm
http://forums.srcds.com/viewtopic/5439 (http://forums.srcds.com/viewtopic/5439)
Post by: MaximumZero on July 23, 2011, 01:54:11 pm
I actually managed to host and play at the same time on my laptop, and it all functioned fine. Just follow this tutorial to do it right.
http://forums.srcds.com/viewtopic/5439 (http://forums.srcds.com/viewtopic/5439)
Schweet. Gonna test that out later tonight.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 23, 2011, 02:28:03 pm
Keeping one shortcut on your desktop to update, and one to run the server is optimal.
Also, you have to open a port, and figuring out which one is a total pain. Just saying. So, basically, it's a HUGE PAIN to get it set up the first time, then it is PAINLESS from there on to forever ( no reinstalls for updates)
Post by: Aklyon on July 23, 2011, 03:05:09 pm
Napalm Flamethrower?But Area denial is Engy's job and partly Demoman's. Why have three denires?
Area Denial would be a great change for the pyro, who's all about the ambush right now.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 23, 2011, 04:41:38 pm
Napalm Flamethrower?But Area denial is Engy's job and partly Demoman's. Why have three denires?
Area Denial would be a great change for the pyro, who's all about the ambush right now.
Well, the engie takes a while to set up, but lasts forever. The demo takes a few seconds, and it lasts his whole life or until used. The napalm would be very fast, but only last for a second or two.
Post by: Aklyon on July 23, 2011, 05:42:46 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 23, 2011, 05:46:49 pm
I think I'll be using it for a while. It's just that much fun.
Post by: The Scout on July 23, 2011, 05:50:48 pm
Primary fire, is really good though. It does about the same dmg as the rocket launcher, despite the -10% dmg. It's 5 shots and unlimited ammo make it better overall. But sentries....
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 23, 2011, 05:52:29 pm
I think the pyro class should just have a complete overhaul, to be honest. Napalm flamethrowers would be great.
What is a napalm flamethrower? Something that sets the area alight? Each class would need a way to get rid of it, because there's nothing exciting about waiting for flames to die down.
Also, why do you think pyros need a complete overhaul?
Post by: Bdthemag on July 23, 2011, 08:09:03 pm
Pyro's have been pretty underpowered, ever since a few people on SPUF complained about getting killed by pyro's alot Valve reduced his overall DPS by ALOT.I think the pyro class should just have a complete overhaul, to be honest. Napalm flamethrowers would be great.
What is a napalm flamethrower? Something that sets the area alight? Each class would need a way to get rid of it, because there's nothing exciting about waiting for flames to die down.
Also, why do you think pyros need a complete overhaul?
Post by: Enzo on July 23, 2011, 08:30:03 pm
*Unless you are one of those weird people with superhuman flaregun skills.
Post by: Flying Carcass on July 23, 2011, 08:45:08 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on July 23, 2011, 09:51:27 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on July 23, 2011, 11:43:50 pm
probably won't work long-term, but if all you want to do is get a server up every once in a while it should do fine.
Keeping one shortcut on your desktop to update, and one to run the server is optimal.
Also, you have to open a port, and figuring out which one is a total pain. Just saying. So, basically, it's a HUGE PAIN to get it set up the first time, then it is PAINLESS from there on to forever ( no reinstalls for updates)
This is exactly what I want. So, sounds good. I'll begin the long, awkward process of actually getting this set up, then.
Post by: 3 on July 24, 2011, 03:43:38 am
Despite being reminded of the state of the internet as a whole, the entire scenario brought on a perverse smile.
Post by: Dsarker on July 24, 2011, 03:59:23 am
Further tales from within the breach: Medics and pyros chase friendly spies around waving their melee weapons whilst being shot by members of the opposing team, usually unto death. A player gloats about being the top of his team while playing as scout, "the weakest class in the game, second to medic". One medic refuses to heal me until he's shot me, run through me, and hit me with his bonesaw, despite me being wounded, fast, able to double-jump, and actively dodging incoming rockets. Bumrushing pyros marauder in packs and a spy attempts to run through an enemy sentry while cloaked, only to bounce off, confusedly decloak, and start shooting, while his friends stare into their cigarette cases in the spawn. Players walk into the same sticky trap five times in a single round and I'm accused of hacking. Later, an actual cheater turns up, but he's disappointing being nothing more than a speedhacked heavy. As such, we kill him and win anyway. Later still, a player complains about how he "can't kick here", swears at us every time he loses, and soon ragequits.
Despite being reminded of the state of the internet as a whole, the entire scenario brought on a perverse smile.
Remember to either tell them to get back to farmville, or when you finish playing, to say "This is getting boring. Time to go back to Farmville!"
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 24, 2011, 06:57:54 am
Also I got the crit-a-cola. Damn I love the crit-a-cola.
e: also, I die to pyros all. The. Time. They come out of nowhere, burn the shit outta me and run, it's amazingly annoying but I guess that's their job. I also enjoy a lot of success as the pyro, so I don't see where you're coming from.
Post by: FunctionZero on July 24, 2011, 07:54:23 am
Further tales from within the breach: Medics and pyros chase friendly spies around waving their melee weapons whilst being shot by members of the opposing team, usually unto death. A player gloats about being the top of his team while playing as scout, "the weakest class in the game, second to medic". One medic refuses to heal me until he's shot me, run through me, and hit me with his bonesaw, despite me being wounded, fast, able to double-jump, and actively dodging incoming rockets. Bumrushing pyros marauder in packs and a spy attempts to run through an enemy sentry while cloaked, only to bounce off, confusedly decloak, and start shooting, while his friends stare into their cigarette cases in the spawn. Players walk into the same sticky trap five times in a single round and I'm accused of hacking. Later, an actual cheater turns up, but he's disappointing being nothing more than a speedhacked heavy. As such, we kill him and win anyway. Later still, a player complains about how he "can't kick here", swears at us every time he loses, and soon ragequits.
Despite being reminded of the state of the internet as a whole, the entire scenario brought on a perverse smile.
I get this all the time at Valve's official servers. Well, not THAT severe, but it comes pretty close.
My worst play though was being on RED at Goldrush payload. Half my team was engies, and they just kept upgrading their stuff at the spawn while the opposing team casually pushed the cart forward. Yeah, we lost in the end.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 24, 2011, 08:08:25 am
Ambushing is incredibly effective on most classes, even Heavy with a normal minigun. Saying Pyro does well there is like saying Pyro does well on opponents with 10 hp. Well yeah I guess he does. Doesnt mean anything.
All the Pyro needs is something to help either Mobility and\or survivability. Pyro suffered from the same problem as Demoknights since they first came out, stuck with a close range weapon with no damage dealt beyond it. Adding more damage is frustrating to deal with as a victim as you want time to react, even in an ambush situation. They just need some tool to use in order to reach close range or position themselves so range doesnt matter. They need something only their class can do, not general sneaking around and knowing opponents movement patterns that any class can do.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 24, 2011, 10:28:58 am
So for a mobility cost and perhaps 25 percent less damage from scout (by using the shotgun instead of the scattergun) , you can get a flamethrower, 50 hp, and an instakill axetinguisher, as well as the ever-awesome airblast ability.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 24, 2011, 11:36:11 am
I recognize the utility of the airblast and the survivability it grants the Pyro is amazing, but it has reached its max strength before people call for nerfs and it doesnt solve the problem of reaching the only range where that weapon can deal damage. It also does not justify having a secondary weapon that several other classes have the exact same version of being used as your primary damage dealer. Im cool with the idea of a classes secondary weapon dealing more damage than their primary, but it needs to be stronger than the secondaries other classes have.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 24, 2011, 01:46:14 pm
Post by: Siquo on July 24, 2011, 03:58:12 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on July 24, 2011, 04:06:34 pm
Later, an actual cheater turns up, but he's disappointing being nothing more than a speedhacked heavy. As such, we kill him and win anyway.
Now looking forward to being accused of being a speedhacking heavy when I next log on with my Gloves of Running Urgently (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Gloves_of_Running_Urgently).
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 24, 2011, 04:10:04 pm
Nah, just get a soldier with the diciplinary action behind you. Its amazing how fast you can go as a heavy with that and the GRU.Later, an actual cheater turns up, but he's disappointing being nothing more than a speedhacked heavy. As such, we kill him and win anyway.
Now looking forward to being accused of being a speedhacking heavy when I next log on with my Gloves of Running Urgently (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Gloves_of_Running_Urgently).
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 24, 2011, 09:07:07 pm
Yeah afer trying everything out I re-stopped at the beforementioned combo, except now I can MAIL THEM HOME. Ha :)Yeah, I would try to get a mailbox of my very own, but my axetinguisher is already named The Clearcutter and it's described THWACK!. That makes me too happy to switch to the reskin.
Post by: The Scout on July 24, 2011, 09:25:19 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 24, 2011, 09:47:05 pm
My favorite scout set: Soda Popper, Crit-A-Cola, and the Fan O War. You can get continuous mini-crits, and allow your team to do it too.I have three sets...
Current Favorite:
-FaN
-Mad Milk
-Candy Cane
High survivability behind enemy lines. If I'm ever hurt mildly, I just kill some sniper or something and pick up the health. More seriously and I try to nail someone with the milk while retreating and spraying them on the way to a health pack to increase the odds of my escape. I can occasionally use the milk to coat objectives as well to aid my team.
Second Favorite:
-Shortstop
-Mad Milk
-Fan o' War
A much more support oriented scout. With this I can stay in medium range and skirt the edges while looking for opportunities to use the milk, or move in to smack a big threat with the fan and run away. This class definitely can tilt the odds in situations. But is highly dependent on working with the team. Otherwise resorts to fanning someone and shooting them down with the shortstop.
Old Favorite:
-Scattergun
-Bonk
-Holy Mackerel
Very standard Scout. Lets me do some good old fashioned brawling while even letting me have fun with the fish. But the main reason I go back to this class occasionally is because this is my #1 teleporter hunting kit. I can Bonk behind enemy lines and 4 shot teleporters as well as harass at spawn. Doesn't always work, but can severely ruin the enemy team's momentum.
Post by: MagmaDeath on July 24, 2011, 11:04:18 pm
My favorite scout set: Soda Popper, Crit-A-Cola, and the Fan O War. You can get continuous mini-crits, and allow your team to do it too.Eh, If I use the soda popper I definitely use a pistol. mini crit pistol shots are amazing.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 25, 2011, 01:17:43 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 25, 2011, 01:26:06 am
And crit-a-cola-boosted shortstop headshots can instakill. Of course, you're also in serious danger of being killed yourself.Headshots?
Post by: Soulwynd on July 25, 2011, 01:39:26 am
Post by: Thexor on July 25, 2011, 02:03:29 am
Post by: RF on July 25, 2011, 03:47:08 am
I hate my Cow Mangler now. A charged blast can't even kill an engy on a direct hit. All it's good for is to disable a sentry, then run forward and melee it to death. If it doesn't mow you down.
Primary fire, is really good though. It does about the same dmg as the rocket launcher, despite the -10% dmg. It's 5 shots and unlimited ammo make it better overall. But sentries....
It's ridiculous that they nerfed the Mangler but they still haven't nerfed the (hilariously OP in arena) Persian Persuader or the lolforcer, which I get a ridiculous amount of kills just cloaking up, moving behind the enemy team and shooting them with it.
EDIT: Well, shit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeUlxU2qXDk&feature=channel_video_title)
Discussion on the topic. (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/iyr59/arg_for_something_new_maybe_from_valve_heres_a/)
Post by: Flying Carcass on July 25, 2011, 05:33:55 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 25, 2011, 05:57:53 am
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 25, 2011, 06:01:19 am
Don't forget the undocumented effect of the cow mangler... THE POLYCOUNTS! THEY LAAAAAAG!From what I've heard, people are banning the cow mangler because it crashes their server. Could be likely, although the main reason is that people think it's overpowered. A good engi can take care of a mangler soldier easily.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 25, 2011, 08:43:02 am
Post by: Siquo on July 25, 2011, 09:49:23 am
In other news, I am annoying scoot, but sentries are even more annoying.
Post by: Cecilff2 on July 25, 2011, 11:34:04 am
EDIT: Well, shit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeUlxU2qXDk&feature=channel_video_title)
Discussion on the topic. (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/iyr59/arg_for_something_new_maybe_from_valve_heres_a/)
I approve.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 27, 2011, 02:36:55 pm
The Beginning (http://medieval.tf2mods.net/1_1.html)
The Latest Page (http://medieval.tf2mods.net)
Check it out.
I'm almost certain that many of these files will be added to the game by Valve, complete with some tactical variation. Frankly I think they should usually be worse than the normal equivalent, perhaps with some unique abilities.
Take the Soldier's cannon. I could certainly see it lobbing a big, slow projectile with an arc and maybe have only limited damage but significant knockback if it hits directly. That sounds like a big cannonball.
Then there's the sniper with a new scoped crossbow, which sounds interesting. I guess it'd make an interesting merge of the sniper rifle and the bow. Less arc, more reload time. More range, less maneuverability.
The Medic's non-surgical scissors might do bleeding... but that's overplayed. The mug could be used to splash allies with booze, extinguishing them, although that makes little sense.
The Ribs might be interesting too. The Sandwich perfectly compliments the Minigun+medigun alliance, but is (while nice) not quite as useful in medieval. I'd say that anything that improves his ability to melee fight against the champions of medieval mode would be very good. Something to counter swords in general?
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 27, 2011, 03:08:08 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on July 27, 2011, 03:37:28 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 27, 2011, 03:48:50 pm
Post by: micelus on July 27, 2011, 03:56:07 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 27, 2011, 03:57:18 pm
erm, may i ask what is the point of downloading the models? is it supposed to replace my weapons?Yes. It changes what the weapons look like.
Post by: micelus on July 27, 2011, 04:01:23 pm
Post by: RF on July 27, 2011, 04:13:53 pm
so these aren't actually a preview of new weapons but just a source of new meshes?
You do realise that's what Valve always does, right? They take models off the community and makes them into weapons and hats etc?
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on July 27, 2011, 04:20:41 pm
Post by: Flying Carcass on July 27, 2011, 05:01:36 pm
Remember, friends don't let friends drink and demoman! (This message has been brought to you by S.A.D.D. (Scouts Against Drunk Demomanning)
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 27, 2011, 05:02:49 pm
We need to go deeper.
Post by: dragonshardz on July 27, 2011, 05:06:38 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 27, 2011, 05:08:03 pm
Hell, I'm recording new Demoman dialogue.
Post by: Metalax on July 27, 2011, 10:53:50 pm
Place - DeRoyalSnipers server. IP Address - 8.2.122.85:27015
Password - FF2 (upper-case)
Teams - Fearless Fortress 2 vs Dwarf Fortress Community.
Rules - Regular server rules apply.
Playing Set - Three Rounds.
Map - Dwarf Fortress Community's choice. (has yet to pick the map)
Playstyle - Non-competitive just-for-fun.
Duration - 30 minutes to 3 hours.
Post a comment up over on the announcment if you want to play and with prefered map. First 5 after I get up tomorrow will comprise the team and I'll post up an event.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress/announcements/detail/993260932177292130 (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress/announcements/detail/993260932177292130)
Post by: Jafferey on July 27, 2011, 11:37:13 pm
Post by: HLBeta on July 27, 2011, 11:54:49 pm
I hate how trade servers are the most popular servers??? wth??What part of "The world's most popular war-themed hat simulator" do you not understand?
Post by: micelus on July 28, 2011, 01:23:59 am
so these aren't actually a preview of new weapons but just a source of new meshes?
You do realise that's what Valve always does, right? They take models off the community and makes them into weapons and hats etc?
Oh I wasn't aware they always did it this way. I thought they took the models directly and made them into weapons, didn't know they also posted the models.
Post by: Siquo on July 28, 2011, 12:34:14 pm
Fearless Fortress 2 would like to challenge the DFC to a friendly 5v5 match over on their server tomorrow 28th at 4:00 PM EDT (8pm GMT)
Place - DeRoyalSnipers server. IP Address - 8.2.122.85:27015
Password - FF2 (upper-case)
Teams - Fearless Fortress 2 vs Dwarf Fortress Community.
Rules - Regular server rules apply.
Playing Set - Three Rounds.
Map - Dwarf Fortress Community's choice. (has yet to pick the map)
Playstyle - Non-competitive just-for-fun.
Duration - 30 minutes to 3 hours.
Post a comment up over on the announcment if you want to play and with prefered map. First 5 after I get up tomorrow will comprise the team and I'll post up an event.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress/announcements/detail/993260932177292130 (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress/announcements/detail/993260932177292130)
Ehm, this is in 1.5 hours, and no applications but me?
Post by: FunctionZero on July 28, 2011, 12:39:12 pm
Ehm, this is in 1.5 hours, and no applications but me?I can be there too. (Is the [DFC] tag necessary?)
That still leaves three needed players though.
Oh hey, there's an event here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress/announcements/detail/993260932177292130 (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress/announcements/detail/993260932177292130)
Seems we only need one more.
Post by: Axil on July 28, 2011, 01:04:12 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 28, 2011, 01:09:45 pm
I'm in, if the space still is unallocatedI think we have 5 apps already. But do spectate, you can drop in if one of us has to go!
Oh yeah, and can someone post here like 15 minutes before the event? I'd prefer not to forget it :P.
Post by: Frajic on July 28, 2011, 02:42:00 pm
Can't be arsed waiting for the 15 minute mark, so here you go.I'm in, if the space still is unallocatedI think we have 5 apps already. But do spectate, you can drop in if one of us has to go!
Oh yeah, and can someone post here like 15 minutes before the event? I'd prefer not to forget it :P.
Post by: FunctionZero on July 28, 2011, 03:05:03 pm
Post by: Frajic on July 28, 2011, 03:06:44 pm
And in the end I was the only one there :P. Well, the server was just restarted for the event, we're playing pl_badwaters.I WOULD join, but Steam isn't working properly. I've got a ton of issues. I'll see if I can't get it working.
Post by: Siquo on July 28, 2011, 03:07:18 pm
I'm getting "this game is currently not available" when starting TF2... That's never happened before.
Post by: Siquo on July 28, 2011, 03:13:23 pm
Post by: Frajic on July 28, 2011, 03:16:52 pm
Post by: Siquo on July 28, 2011, 05:11:25 pm
Score ended at 5-4 for them (FF2), but we played the last... what, 4 rounds, with 3 players vs 5 players, and even won with 3 vs 5p.
So they get the victory, we get the honour. :)
Post by: FunctionZero on July 28, 2011, 05:13:45 pm
Post by: Siquo on July 28, 2011, 05:18:31 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 28, 2011, 05:23:25 pm
Underdog? We owned them. Losing with 5 vs 3? That's just ridiculous :)Yeah, exactly. I think you don't really know what underdog means. It's that team nobody expects to win, but in the end they do. (Hollywood loves that cliche.)
Post by: Siquo on July 28, 2011, 05:27:03 pm
Only in Hollywood they do.
((Also: languages are not alive and nobody is allowed to invent new words or new meanings for old ones unless it's to name something they discovered or invented themselves.))
Post by: FunctionZero on July 28, 2011, 05:30:10 pm
I stand corrected. We still ruled. :P
Post by: Siquo on July 28, 2011, 05:32:03 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on July 28, 2011, 05:54:18 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 28, 2011, 06:09:06 pm
I'd have joined if I hadn't read in a comment on the event that you already had 5.Yeah, but that comment also said it'd be cool to have some backup if someone doesn't come or needs to go later. :P
Post by: PTTG?? on July 28, 2011, 06:09:55 pm
A sundial cloak watch, too. For some reason, I rather like it. Maybe it doesn't collect metal and discharges quickly, but provides slight health regeneration? It fits a bandit who attacks, slips into the shadows, and comes back again from a different angle.
Ah, and the branding iron for the pyromancer as well. Of all his melee weapons, the iron seems most appropriate... that or one of the torches. It'd be a great way for him to light things on fire without weird primary weapons.
Can't wait to see if they actually give the engie a buildable.
Post by: Siquo on July 28, 2011, 06:12:15 pm
And one of those walked in the wrong direction half the time :)I'd have joined if I hadn't read in a comment on the event that you already had 5.Yeah, but that comment also said it'd be cool to have some backup if someone doesn't come or needs to go later. :P
Post by: Dsarker on July 28, 2011, 06:14:48 pm
Barricades, prevent access through an area.
Those arrow igniters, whatever they're called.
Maybe a crossbow could be mounted on the barricade and used to shoot over.
Post by: FunctionZero on July 28, 2011, 06:17:30 pm
Well, some ideas for the engy buildables.Hot Oil pots, nicely cooking up anyone who gets near. (And burnable for massive damage!)
Barricades, prevent access through an area.
Those arrow igniters, whatever they're called.
Maybe a crossbow could be mounted on the barricade and used to shoot over.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 29, 2011, 02:35:00 pm
It doesn't stun, because people hate stun, but it's a reasonable ranged weapon for the engie. Maybe it can bounce from enemy to enemy. Yeah, I could see that.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 29, 2011, 02:45:23 pm
Combine the razorback and danger shield. Combine the gunboats and mantreads. Combine the solemn vow and vita saw.
Every single one of those weapons have problems that combining wit each other fixes. Razorback and danger shield are both considered useless compared to jarate and the smg, with the health bonus helping snipers survive shooting spies. Them soldier boots are both weak when you gotta take away the shotgun and the combined ability of taking less jump damage and dealing damage with them opens up a new play style that could never be considered overpowered. The medic weapons arepretty evenly split between less than useful and no downside, so combine them so in order to see enemy health you have less health.
And also the reserve shooter for pyro. Fuck he already has the axetinguisher a minicrit shotgun won't change the equation that much. It will make the axetinguisher less of an overwhelming choice for pyro melee so theybstart using theother melee weapons.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on July 29, 2011, 02:50:29 pm
For the engineer, an area denial air-blast sentry,
Deflects projectiles automatically(With out aiming) and pushes back players.
Mostly you would throw it up near another sentry.
Post by: The Scout on July 29, 2011, 02:58:49 pm
Oh, I have got it!So the only thing that could kill it would be spies, heavies, and medics.
For the engineer, an area denial air-blast sentry,
Deflects projectiles automatically(With out aiming) and pushes back players.
Mostly you would throw it up near another sentry.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on July 29, 2011, 03:02:10 pm
Bullets, and it would not be 100% effective, It would have a cool down like the pyro's so a projectile class could out-shoot it, but It would would soften the projectile spam.Oh, I have got it!So the only thing that could kill it would be spies, heavies, and medics.
For the engineer, an area denial air-blast sentry,
Deflects projectiles automatically(With out aiming) and pushes back players.
Mostly you would throw it up near another sentry.
Think like a mini sentry, not some big healthy building. You would throw one up so you could cap points and move objectives.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 29, 2011, 03:05:09 pm
I've been rolled and rolled too many people with gunboats soldiers, kthx. Sacrificing one soldier to kill the enemy medic on a competitive match a valid strategy.
Post by: The Scout on July 29, 2011, 03:11:24 pm
Gunboats is a pain in the ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjwgdaVmTDM) as it is. It doesn't need any buffs....I can't even do that. Air shotting people is 100x easier then that.
I've been rolled and rolled too many people with gunboats soldiers, kthx. Sacrificing one soldier to kill the enemy medic on a competitive match a valid strategy.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 29, 2011, 03:14:28 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 29, 2011, 03:17:38 pm
What? You tap jump and point behind you...The rapid jumping around. That's hard as hell.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 29, 2011, 03:55:55 pm
What? You tap jump and point behind you...The rapid jumping around. That's hard as hell.
What? You tap jump and point behind you...
... Seriously... try it... After a few minutes you will be doing it too.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on July 30, 2011, 04:26:43 am
What? You tap jump and point behind you...The rapid jumping around. That's hard as hell.
Scout, While you are waiting to get a server started just practice rocket jumping, If you can have one on one soldier battles, while waiting, it is all the better.
You will be doing rollouts, and aerials like a champ in no time.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 30, 2011, 06:39:00 am
Post by: PsyberianHusky on July 30, 2011, 08:17:11 am
Post by: Metalax on July 30, 2011, 09:38:35 am
Quote
Team Fortress 2
- Definitely did not add cheats for upcoming Free-2-Play Invitational Cup.
Post by: mr. macduggan on July 30, 2011, 12:22:26 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 30, 2011, 12:51:26 pm
Gunboats is a pain in the ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjwgdaVmTDM) as it is. It doesn't need any buffs.Comp balance is a joke, just ban it if this becomes a problem. And remember that while a soldier is shooting at a target he cant really focus on airstraifing onto said moving target for the damage bonus. The knockback resistance would help with the apparent Wrangler problem comp is having.
Post by: Soulwynd on July 30, 2011, 02:11:45 pm
I had this day in badlands against comp people where I rolled out like crazy. Then again, the medic was this awesome girl and she would catch me in middle air and boost my health before I rolled out again. So the credit wasn't all mine.
I got my 16 kills streak that day. Rocket launcher + gunboats ftw. It pick that in most map settings. The exceptions are when I'm alone most of the time, then I pick a shottie. If we have sentry problems or grouped up people, then I pick one of the backpacks, depending on the issue we're facing.
Post by: 3 on August 01, 2011, 06:00:13 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 01, 2011, 06:22:01 pm
I read the official forums from time to time to see the crazy things people suggest. One option was a shotgun for the pyro that has like 300% extra knock back on airborne targets and a good 20% damage reduction. I know restricting movement of players is frustrating and a bad idea, but flying everywhere from knock back seems like fun enough to evade that issue. And I like playing around with nonstandard gameplay elements like gravity, friction, fall damage, damage falloff and map resources like medkits and ammo boxes.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on August 01, 2011, 06:40:38 pm
Also, map concept that I made at midnight last night.
PL_PIPEDREAM
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Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 01, 2011, 06:56:03 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on August 01, 2011, 07:01:04 pm
Make a section where the bomb goes underwater completely and there needs to be fighting underwater and you have gold. And a secret laser in one of the pipes, because let's be honest both sides are trying to develop doomsday weapons.I dunno, might make some classes under/overpowered in that section.
For example, Pyro would be useless, while the Demoman would be even better. (It's hard to dodge grenades in the water and even harder to spot stickies.)
Post by: The Scout on August 01, 2011, 07:02:34 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on August 01, 2011, 07:33:55 pm
Make a section where the bomb goes underwater completely and there needs to be fighting underwater and you have gold. And a secret laser in one of the pipes, because let's be honest both sides are trying to develop doomsday weapons.I dunno, might make some classes under/overpowered in that section.
For example, Pyro would be useless, while the Demoman would be even better. (It's hard to dodge grenades in the water and even harder to spot stickies.)
Ah, but that's just the point. Different fields call for different tactics, calling for different weapons.
Post by: FunctionZero on August 01, 2011, 07:38:50 pm
Make a section where the bomb goes underwater completely and there needs to be fighting underwater and you have gold. And a secret laser in one of the pipes, because let's be honest both sides are trying to develop doomsday weapons.I dunno, might make some classes under/overpowered in that section.
For example, Pyro would be useless, while the Demoman would be even better. (It's hard to dodge grenades in the water and even harder to spot stickies.)
Ah, but that's just the point. Different fields call for different tactics, calling for different weapons.
Sure, but most maps are quite balanced, making for an even playing field for all classes, with many paths for different tactics.
Here, it'd be necessary to take the underwater route because that's where the cart goes. So it isn't really perfect.
Post by: 3 on August 01, 2011, 07:54:59 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 01, 2011, 08:06:45 pm
Post by: Dsarker on August 01, 2011, 10:54:39 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on August 01, 2011, 11:07:47 pm
Post by: Dsarker on August 02, 2011, 01:24:41 am
Vents easily accessible by the attacking team that drop into the room where the defending team jumps into the water to defend the cart. Pyros can always ambush defenders before they enter the water. They never really help with cart pushing anyway.
Or, you could have a control point in the center of the map that electrifies the underwater section if the defense gets control of it, and you could even repeat this a couple times. It would combine control point and payload strategies. The only requirement would be to have a window, so a defender can see everyone in the water get electrocuted when they recap the point in the middle of the push through the lake. Also, on the subject of the water level area, you could always make the water shallow enough to not put out fire like in the sewers of 2fort (but still enough to electrocute your ankles :P )
The window has to be shootable through, so the snipers and pyros could do something.
Post by: The Scout on August 02, 2011, 07:18:51 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on August 02, 2011, 07:21:17 pm
It works, bitches. Look up PL_greatheights (IIRC). The cart goes down a ramp into water, turns right and is fully submerged. At this point, it passes through a short tunnel, then rises up again, another right turn, and out to the cap. In that space have been some of the best battles on the server.
IMO heavies tended to benefit from the water the most; swimming meant grenades and rockets that normally cluster around their feet fell further away, pyros couldnt flare spam, and their slow speed became less of an issue, all while their own bullets were unaffected. The water also made it hard to spot & harry the medics, meaning they could focus on healing others, adding to the heavies' survivability.
Of course, this was all around the time of the WAR! update, so things may be a little different now.
Post by: Soulwynd on August 02, 2011, 07:23:40 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on August 02, 2011, 10:43:09 pm
Post by: PsyberianHusky on August 03, 2011, 12:58:35 am
Post by: mr. macduggan on August 03, 2011, 01:13:07 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on August 03, 2011, 01:13:37 am
Post by: Flying Carcass on August 04, 2011, 01:04:44 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on August 04, 2011, 01:06:06 pm
Post by: Vherid on August 04, 2011, 01:13:31 pm
Post by: LASD on August 04, 2011, 01:28:33 pm
Wait. What?Ton of promo items for QuakeCon apparently.
Original Rocket Launcher from Quake (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Original)
A hat from Skyrim (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Tamrielic_Relic)
A Sniper headpiece from Brink (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Anger)
Pip-Boy from Fallout! WOO! (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Pip-Boy)
Wingstick from RAGE (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Wingstick)
I really really really want that Pip-Boy. I also expect the ability to wear two misc items to come soon.
Post by: Shadowlord on August 04, 2011, 02:32:20 pm
Apparently the only way to get the Skyrim hat is to pre-order Skyrim through Steam, though. Last time I checked it wasn't even ON Steam (Apparently they JUST added it).
Post by: Tyler6498 on August 04, 2011, 03:38:35 pm
Post by: Greiger on August 04, 2011, 05:18:08 pm
But I don't know if my computer will run it, and I can't find any system reqs. Anyone have them handy per chance or does Bethesda not know themselves yet?
EDIT: Found them not official but good enough,
2GB dual core, 3 GB ram, 512 MB graphics card. I should be able to run it. Maybe not awesomely and my Graphics card will definitely need to be updated to this decade though.
Post by: Shadowlord on August 04, 2011, 05:26:46 pm
Just went and had a test run of the pip boy, I love it so much.
Oddly, I had the opposite reaction.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on August 04, 2011, 06:04:33 pm
Hmm. I want skyrim, and now would be a good time to buy it since my folks are a little worried I have some depression problem because I haven't bought any games recently, (no mom I'm fine, there hasn't been anything interesting released recently) and I do have some spare money floating around. It might get them off my back.
But I don't know if my computer will run it, and I can't find any system reqs. Anyone have them handy per chance or does Bethesda not know themselves yet?
EDIT: Found them not official but good enough,
2GB dual core, 3 GB ram, 512 MB graphics card. I should be able to run it. Maybe not awesomely and my Graphics card will definitely need to be updated to this decade though.
Dude
are you me?
That's basically exactly my situation, and my computer has the same specs.
Anyways, I'm stoked now that I know my compy can run it.
Post by: Nilocy on August 05, 2011, 06:46:26 pm
Live action TF2 by corridordigital
Post by: Shadowlord on August 05, 2011, 07:42:17 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on August 05, 2011, 07:50:28 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piZrjDTx2eg
Live action TF2 by corridordigital
That is awesome and I thank you for it, ser.
Post by: Shadowlord on August 05, 2011, 08:35:05 pm
Post by: Greiger on August 05, 2011, 08:43:54 pm
Nope, sucker is probably 10 years old by now.
And while video ram isn't a great indicator on required capability, it's better than nothing. And it's not hard to figure out that you having a card with 256mb VRAM, when it says you need 512, you will probably have issues. No matter how kickass your GPU and graphics chipset is.
Post by: Flying Carcass on August 05, 2011, 09:07:48 pm
True on the video ram, but the way the card names are set up it's hard to tell what's better than what. Those numbers often seem pretty arbitrary. I remember having an ATI card that was something like a Radeon 9500. With the way the numbers appear to work you'd think that would be like the next generation model currently in development.
I know, right? I wish they'd just number the cards by the order in which they were released. For cards that are specialized for a particular set of tasks, just toss words at the end of the card name like "professional" or "home edition".
Post by: Shadowlord on August 05, 2011, 09:33:05 pm
As for the video card names' numbering, it's not too overly complicated, except for when they stop counting in one place and restart somewhere else (and possibly change the number of numbers). What it comes down to tends to be this: No matter how many numbers are in the card's name, the first number always tends to be the generation of the card (e.g. geforce fx 5xxx, geforce 6xxx, 7xxx, 8xxx, 9xxx, and then they jumped to 1xx, 2xx, 3xx, 4xx, 5xx, some of those being specialty cards/chipsets) and the next number indicates how good it is on a scale where a low number (below 5 or 6) is "piece of crap for people who don't know any better", where 6 is "moderate/good", and where 8 or 9 is "top-of-the-line for that generation," except that you still tend to need to look into actual reviews and benchmarks to find out how they actually perform, how big the card is, what kind of power requirements it has, whether it gets really hot, etc, before buying a card.
Post by: Siquo on August 06, 2011, 06:17:07 am
Ditto.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piZrjDTx2eg
Live action TF2 by corridordigital
That is awesome and I thank you for it, ser.
Post by: Dsarker on August 07, 2011, 02:12:57 am
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 07, 2011, 08:30:24 am
Unfortunately, Genuine Pip-boys are not able to be traded.Just went and had a test run of the pip boy, I love it so much.
Oddly, I had the opposite reaction.
Can I have yours? :U
Post by: dragonshardz on August 07, 2011, 12:24:47 pm
I mean, I don't dislike it, but I'm not all that impressed either.
Woo, I've become a jaded gamer. :V
Post by: Thexor on August 07, 2011, 12:49:26 pm
But you know what? That's still one interface reskin more than most of these silly cosmetic items provide. :P
Post by: Soulwynd on August 07, 2011, 04:14:49 pm
>.<
Post by: Jackrabbit on August 07, 2011, 04:25:24 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on August 07, 2011, 04:33:34 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on August 07, 2011, 04:36:15 pm
Honestly, the odds that I'm ever going to craft any hat are virtually zero. There are too many weapons that I'm missing as it is, and I have enough games that actually have a plot or aren't a multiplayer shooter that's never truly interesting, that I'm not playing TF2 enough to be able to craft weapons more than once every 3-6 months anyways, to say nothing of getting enough metal to make a hat.
I have crafted three weapons in my whole time playing TF2. Hats are just completely unfeasable and not worth the effort.
Post by: Soulwynd on August 07, 2011, 04:57:53 pm
Post by: The Scout on August 07, 2011, 07:10:19 pm
I crafted 2, got 4 drops, and about 7 promotional hats. 430 hours.Honestly, the odds that I'm ever going to craft any hat are virtually zero. There are too many weapons that I'm missing as it is, and I have enough games that actually have a plot or aren't a multiplayer shooter that's never truly interesting, that I'm not playing TF2 enough to be able to craft weapons more than once every 3-6 months anyways, to say nothing of getting enough metal to make a hat.
I have crafted three weapons in my whole time playing TF2. Hats are just completely unfeasable and not worth the effort.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 07, 2011, 09:44:05 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on August 07, 2011, 09:46:09 pm
Post by: The Scout on August 08, 2011, 09:26:05 am
Post by: mr. macduggan on August 08, 2011, 09:57:42 am
And the Heavy Steel Jaw just dropped for me. Yay.I know my jaw would drop if that happened to me :P
Post by: MagmaDeath on August 09, 2011, 08:55:33 pm
Paste 100 hats into chat, 100 pictures of that hat pop up.
Post by: The Scout on August 10, 2011, 12:22:12 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on August 10, 2011, 01:11:43 pm
Post by: Flying Carcass on August 12, 2011, 12:31:43 am
We won on offense and barely lost of defense.
(And then we switched to no-scope snipers and gunslinger engies... also awesome!)
Post by: Dermonster on August 12, 2011, 01:18:47 am
Nobody could kill me. Even after the tournament and just heavy boxing with all weps instead of fists, I still never lost. Even to a pyro with a rake.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 12, 2011, 01:20:13 am
Post by: LASD on August 12, 2011, 03:45:52 am
Mac 'n Cheese (AKA Scout vs. Heavy) (http://vimeo.com/27127177)
I think Valve will soon have two new employees from them Netherlands.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 12, 2011, 03:30:19 pm
Post by: 3 on August 14, 2011, 02:29:44 pm
And I crafted a Shortstop... now I know why people love it.
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2011, 02:34:47 pm
32-player matches on Nucleus go about as well as you'd expect. There's so much congestion that I was just randomly knocking Sandman balls around and at least three quarters of them hit someone. That said, the Sandman works amazingly well on that map in general.I don't like the shortstop. I like the Soda Popper and the FaN. One for everyone, and the other mostly for heavies.
And I crafted a Shortstop... now I know why people love it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 14, 2011, 02:37:02 pm
Post by: Siquo on August 14, 2011, 02:45:01 pm
Shortstop is just a great spammer on medium-distance maps, I really like it.
Oh and I don't get the whole skill thing to TF2. Most of the time I'm just spamming shit and am suprprised I end up on top of the list.
Post by: 3 on August 14, 2011, 02:51:55 pm
The Soda Popper is a beast with the pistol. Imagine a pistol where every shot deals 20 damage. My god. And when I want to mess around it makes minicrit bleed with the Boston Baster a breeze. No more running away to a safe zone, drinking crit a cola and having your opponent take like five more damage than normal.
That's exactly what I used to do (the Popper + Pistol + melee emphasis combo, not the Cola then immediately die bit), but the way it ended up I wasn't actually ever using the Popper. Alone, it's a Force-A-Nature without its major gimmick and with marginal extra practicality; decent against something you can shoot from a foot away, useless against everything else. There's not even an incentive to use it because the crits build up so long as you're moving. Aside from when you've got crits, the pistol never does enough damage for anything other than mild harassment and taking out unattended sentries (also remember that firing it for anything longer than a half-second makes every shot go wild). As far as my playstyle was concerned, it was a wasted slot.
The shortstop's only apparent weakness is that you can't do as much damage when sneaking up on someone than you can with the regular scatter. I'm doing as much damage as I can with the Direct Hit per shot at medium range, with a hitscan weapon, with a far faster firing speed, and a far faster reload speed...
Current loadout is Shortstop (obviously) + Bonk + Sandman or Basher (depending on map and enemy team composition).
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2011, 02:54:46 pm
I sometimes use the Soda Popper, Crit A Cola, and the Fan O War. Constant mini-crits on demand and anytime. If you're really careful, you can actually kill alot of people.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 14, 2011, 05:38:46 pm
Well, spamming is good, but someone with actual skill can most of the time still kill you.I think I'll try this some time.
I sometimes use the Soda Popper, Crit A Cola, and the Fan O War. Constant mini-crits on demand and anytime. If you're really careful, you can actually kill alot of people.
Aside from when you've got crits, the pistol never does enough damage for anything other than mild harassment and taking out unattended sentries (also remember that firing it for anything longer than a half-second makes every shot go wild).I don't tend to like to blatantly disagree with people(anymore at least), but never underestimate the pistol.
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2011, 05:44:20 pm
Oh god no. I know people who like to run up behind you, and blast you with the Winger. :|Aside from when you've got crits, the pistol never does enough damage for anything other than mild harassment and taking out unattended sentries (also remember that firing it for anything longer than a half-second makes every shot go wild).I don't tend to like to blatantly disagree with people(anymore at least), but never underestimate the pistol.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 14, 2011, 05:45:33 pm
Pistol fucks up pyros.
Post by: Dermonster on August 14, 2011, 05:48:09 pm
Saved my soldiers life many a time, that shotgun. Damned M2 Pyros...
Post by: 3 on August 14, 2011, 05:52:22 pm
It's undoubtedly a decent weapon - Valve are smart enough not to create useless filler weapons, which it easily could've been - but there's a reason why it's a secondary.
You know pyros?
Pistol fucks up pyros.
Unless I've been doing something seriously wrong, no, it doesn't, not better than any other hitscan gun. If you're fighting a decent Pyro he's not going to be running straight at you from 50 foot away. If he doesn't have the element of surprise you can back up firing, but then you're talking 100 damage absolutely max from one clip. Just because it's slightly better than the alternatives in this application doesn't make it good.
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2011, 05:53:54 pm
Post by: Siquo on August 14, 2011, 05:58:24 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 14, 2011, 06:00:18 pm
Post by: Soulwynd on August 14, 2011, 06:02:23 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on August 14, 2011, 06:47:36 pm
And he was totally unaware of my actions.
Post by: FunctionZero on August 14, 2011, 07:41:50 pm
Todays' pwnage: I ran up behind a Heavy as a Scout, unloaded both shotgun barrels into the back of his head, reloaded, and then emptied both barrels into his head again.Heavies are often unaware of everything going on behind them.
And he was totally unaware of my actions.
It's so satisfying to melee those. :P
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 14, 2011, 07:42:13 pm
So do shotguns.Speaking of M2 Pyros, I actually went on a beautiful reflecting spree one game.
Saved my soldiers life many a time, that shotgun. Damned M2 Pyros...
I was dominating this guy just by reflecting his rockets at point blank.
Also, I killed a sniper by reflecting his arrow when I ran around the corner. I swear he smashed his computer, because he left shortly after.
EDIT:Also, heavies are easy to axtinguish.
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2011, 07:43:09 pm
Until you meet one with the Tomislav, Family Business, and the Eviction Notice. They decimate scouts/most other things.Todays' pwnage: I ran up behind a Heavy as a Scout, unloaded both shotgun barrels into the back of his head, reloaded, and then emptied both barrels into his head again.Heavies are often unaware of everything going on behind them.
And he was totally unaware of my actions.
It's so satisfying to melee those. :P
Post by: PTTG?? on August 15, 2011, 10:03:44 am
So do shotguns.Speaking of M2 Pyros, I actually went on a beautiful reflecting spree one game.
Saved my soldiers life many a time, that shotgun. Damned M2 Pyros...
I was dominating this guy just by reflecting his rockets at point blank.
Also, I killed a sniper by reflecting his arrow when I ran around the corner. I swear he smashed his computer, because he left shortly after.
EDIT:Also, heavies are easy to axtinguish.
What we need is a airblast-only flamethrower.
Post by: Myroc on August 15, 2011, 10:09:26 am
Post by: Siquo on August 15, 2011, 10:19:15 am
Something like Oil: splash, whoever is oiled has -10% move speed and gets minicrits from fire-damage for 4 seconds, or something.
Or The AsbestoShield: when charged with rage (with damage), grants a 80% fire-protection for all nearby allies.
I'd like that. I love the pyro but it always feels so solo (so ronery). And I get points nor recognition for airblasting ubers, which is (apart from spychecks) almost the only use the pyro has in team-work.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 15, 2011, 12:51:08 pm
Also, revert all minigun spinup times to before the patch that reduced them, change Family Business stats to quicker switch and firing speed, give pyro a shotgun with more shots. Perfect.
Post by: FunctionZero on August 15, 2011, 01:50:46 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on August 15, 2011, 02:39:57 pm
Molotovs?
How about if he throws the moltov at an ally with a meele weapon out, the meele weapon burns and will ignite foes on hit for a few seconds.
On hitting an enemy or the ground, it ignites things in a radius.
On the other hand, it isn't as long ranged as the flare, and doesn't crit burning targets, or do any damage aside from the burning damage.
It's still pretty potent, and it could set a good pyro up for some serious extinguisher kill streaks, if he gets a group of players all at once. And allies would have a reason to work with him. Plus it could even work for Medieval mode.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 15, 2011, 02:44:25 pm
Either fire gets an extra attribute of +15% damage to burn target or a secondary or melee gets that attribute. Pyro becomes a team player and fire is scary. done.
Post by: Jackrabbit on August 15, 2011, 03:33:46 pm
I kinda want the pyro to get a Family Business-like shotgun, e.g. something with more ammo. It feels to me that the Heavy is the last person that needs two extra shots for his shotgun.I was surprised at the complete set involving the Eviction Notice, because both the Tomislav and (rather more so) the shotgun work amazingly well with the KGB.
Post by: mr. macduggan on August 15, 2011, 03:48:30 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on August 15, 2011, 03:49:42 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on August 15, 2011, 03:51:15 pm
Post by: Myroc on August 15, 2011, 03:55:15 pm
Give Pyro a short charge like the Demoman has with shields, replacing the shotgun. Now he's useful. Even better, make him a fucking jetpack.Or better, a detonator that doesn't suck in granting the Pyro mobility. I thought the entire point of the Detonator in the beta was to give Pyro a rocket jump (although someone may correct me on this since I never actually played the beta) and then they pretty much removed that, which kinda defeats the point.
Post by: ECrownofFire on August 15, 2011, 04:02:20 pm
Flamethrower
+25% ammo (250 instead of 200)
Airblasts cost 150% more ammo (50 instead of 20, same as Backburner)
Airblasts launch you in the opposite direction you fire them.
Post by: FunctionZero on August 15, 2011, 05:00:53 pm
It seems that right when it goes to load the main menu, it somehow goes windowed and freezes.
Post by: The Scout on August 15, 2011, 05:13:29 pm
Latest update borked my game. Anyone else has that?Yeah. It stops after awhile.
It seems that right when it goes to load the main menu, it somehow goes windowed and freezes.
Post by: FunctionZero on August 15, 2011, 05:18:48 pm
Time to turn on my "patience mode", then.Latest update borked my game. Anyone else has that?Yeah. It stops after awhile.
It seems that right when it goes to load the main menu, it somehow goes windowed and freezes.
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 15, 2011, 05:29:37 pm
That's weird. Everybody else says that it literally won't continue. According to somebody, the cause of this was to hotfix a rare startup crash. I'm betting there will be a hotfix within the hour.Latest update borked my game. Anyone else has that?Yeah. It stops after awhile.
It seems that right when it goes to load the main menu, it somehow goes windowed and freezes.
Post by: FunctionZero on August 15, 2011, 05:57:02 pm
Spoiler: Change one word from "Meet the Medic" (click to show/hide)
Original thread (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1946224), anyways it seems each poster changes something from the previous poster. Looks fun.
The one I posted was the latest change. Yeah, it's insane.
Post by: FunctionZero on August 15, 2011, 06:04:11 pm
According to somebody, the cause of this was to hotfix a rare startup crash.That'd be according to the official changelog, of course.
And yeah, they did fix it. They fixed it so that the startup crash isn't rare anymore. Heh.
Post by: FunctionZero on August 15, 2011, 06:41:35 pm
(lol triple post)
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 15, 2011, 06:55:20 pm
Anyhow, gift somebody a game for Tf2 items? Sounds inane and absolutely profitable to valve. Still, I could see the value of gifting a $1 game from a steam sale, and getting a hatstack in return(Or something else that's valuable.)
Post by: Dsarker on August 15, 2011, 07:29:13 pm
Post by: Thexor on August 15, 2011, 07:42:41 pm
I suppose I'll break this combo of yours.
Anyhow, gift somebody a game for Tf2 items? Sounds inane and absolutely profitable to valve. Still, I could see the value of gifting a $1 game from a steam sale, and getting a hatstack in return(Or something else that's valuable.)
*cough* People have been trading TF2 items for games for months now. They've just been doing it through the time-consuming, somewhat-risky means of using third-party transfers, or the incredibly-risky means of trusting the other person. Valve is just adding a secure method.
Post by: FunctionZero on August 15, 2011, 08:01:24 pm
Post by: Thexor on August 15, 2011, 08:25:43 pm
So do acquiring kills on Strange variants actually do anything besides bolster your ego? If not, meh.
Nope. Given how easily kills can be farmed (can you say "Idle server"?), it'd be terribly broken if weapons gained a bonus with kills. Not to mention that any kind of grind-based weapon leveling system would be utterly idiotic and annoying.
Cosmetic effects based on kill count, maybe, but there's still the issue of "lol I farmed idle kills for 5 hours!!"
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 15, 2011, 08:27:29 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 15, 2011, 08:30:03 pm
Post by: Enzo on August 16, 2011, 03:07:40 am
So do acquiring kills on Strange variants actually do anything besides bolster your ego? If not, meh.
They also annoy and distract other players on the server whenever you level up. There should really be a way to turn that notification off (without disabling every other notification at the same time).
Post by: Siquo on August 16, 2011, 03:43:08 am
Pyros seem to me to be best at cutting the balls off a large group of enemies. Provided you can kill their medic or at least hurt him severely, if you manage to set them all on fire and then retreat (or more likely die) then if your teammates are right behind you they cut through them like a hot knife through a scout on fire.Yep, this is how you play it. I get most of my kills through "support" kills, that's why I hate medics. They steal my support kills. :-[
Post by: Dsarker on August 16, 2011, 06:00:38 am
Post by: The Scout on August 17, 2011, 07:10:28 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on August 17, 2011, 07:27:28 pm
Shortstop just dropped for me. Oh my god, I love it. All I need is the hat.I can give you the Milkman if you have gift wrap.
Post by: The Scout on August 18, 2011, 08:35:02 am
Deal. What's your Steam name?Shortstop just dropped for me. Oh my god, I love it. All I need is the hat.I can give you the Milkman if you have gift wrap.
Post by: 3 on August 18, 2011, 08:57:16 am
Shortstop just dropped for me. Oh my god, I love it.
I told you. I told you, and you didn't listen, and look where that got you.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on August 18, 2011, 01:54:07 pm
Hakata no Shio. Here's a link. http://steamcommunity.com/id/SCREESCREESCREE (http://steamcommunity.com/id/SCREESCREESCREE)Deal. What's your Steam name?Shortstop just dropped for me. Oh my god, I love it. All I need is the hat.I can give you the Milkman if you have gift wrap.
Post by: Vherid on August 18, 2011, 08:49:17 pm
Post by: Metalax on August 18, 2011, 08:52:16 pm
New items, currently obtained from preordering the new deus-ex. The new engy weapons look interesting, as does the new spy gun.
edit: bah ninja'd while I was checking out the new weapons.
Post by: Vherid on August 18, 2011, 08:54:12 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/deus-ex/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/deus-ex/)
New items, currently obtained from preordering the new deus-ex. The new engy weapons look interesting, as does the new spy gun.
edit: bah ninja'd while I was checking out the new weapons.
They are also dropable, craftable, buyable.
Post by: Metalax on August 18, 2011, 08:55:47 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/deus-ex/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/deus-ex/)
New items, currently obtained from preordering the new deus-ex. The new engy weapons look interesting, as does the new spy gun.
edit: bah ninja'd while I was checking out the new weapons.
They are also dropable, craftable, buyable.
Already? Normally the promo items don't become droppable/craftable until after the promo is over.
Post by: Bormok, God of Mud on August 18, 2011, 09:06:57 pm
Post by: Vherid on August 18, 2011, 09:07:44 pm
Post by: PsyberianHusky on August 18, 2011, 09:33:02 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on August 18, 2011, 10:10:06 pm
That pun is really painful.
Post by: Enzo on August 18, 2011, 11:17:59 pm
Post by: Vherid on August 18, 2011, 11:23:54 pm
New items are pretty boss, although that new Sniper is going to have me raging hard, I can already see it. Also no metal, can't craft. Guess I'll have to wait.
It's the most amazing thing ever made, some of the shit i pulled with it was disgustingly insane. I'm sure it will make you rage.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on August 19, 2011, 12:27:06 am
The Original is craftable.
Post by: Thexor on August 19, 2011, 02:33:44 am
Guys, that's not important.
The Original is craftable.
It is indeed. 2x Scrap Metal + 1x Reclaimed Metal, which I believe makes it the first specific crafting recipe that doesn't need a specific base weapon.
Still, awesome-sound-effects-and-shooting-from-the-centre versus awesome new Deus Ex weapons. Penetrating sniper rifles! Infinite-ammo shotguns! One must prioritize one's acquisitions. ;)
Post by: Siquo on August 19, 2011, 02:48:06 am
No Reload. At medium/short range you're not going to run out of ammo as long as you make decent meatshots, and/or pickup the weapons of the people you killed. Oh and, No Reload. This this singlehandedly makes the pyro obsolete. Oh and did I mention that it doesn't reload?
Post by: Shadowlord on August 19, 2011, 05:42:20 am
Post by: PsyberianHusky on August 19, 2011, 06:16:16 am
Deus Specs.The puns are augmented!
That pun is really painful.
Post by: Siquo on August 19, 2011, 06:25:33 am
I personally thought it was punny.Deus Specs.The puns are augmented!
That pun is really painful.
Post by: Myroc on August 19, 2011, 07:31:55 am
Post by: Siquo on August 19, 2011, 07:34:36 am
Post by: Myroc on August 19, 2011, 08:00:41 am
Post by: Dsarker on August 19, 2011, 08:15:02 am
Post by: PTTG?? on August 19, 2011, 10:08:25 am
That have no connection to the theme, but still!
Looks pretty nice, and it's good to see the engie get... anything. What does the short circuit mean when it says "damages projectiles and players"? Does it have some kind of anti-rocket capability?
I wouldn't use them both, since they both draw off of metal. I could see the Widowmaker and a pistol, though.
Post by: Siquo on August 19, 2011, 10:16:46 am
Projectiles are anything that's not a bullet, so arrows, jarate, flares, stickies, rockets, grenades all count...
Post by: ECrownofFire on August 19, 2011, 10:22:39 am
Post by: jester on August 19, 2011, 10:52:39 am
New rifle is good, and seems fairly balanced. Seen alot of damage done with the new spy gun though.
Post by: Jackrabbit on August 19, 2011, 05:29:15 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on August 19, 2011, 06:23:12 pm
Post by: Dsarker on August 19, 2011, 07:47:25 pm
Post by: Siquo on August 20, 2011, 02:42:52 am
ive got both the new engi weps and definately havent been impressed, its hard to reliably do over 60 damage with the shottie, so you always end up out of metal, miss 3 times and thats it, you are down your primary wep, and most of you metal.I concede, it is indeed harder than it looks. However, if you get a few good shots in you can make it last beyond the 6 shots a normal shottie has, and it starts paying off. But the sound. It sounds so much better.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on August 20, 2011, 03:21:01 am
I looked over Deus Ex and want. So much want. The TF2 items are nice too, but oh my god. I want that game. But I don't have $54.Considering Ubisoft's record with PC ports, I rather get it on console
Post by: Myroc on August 20, 2011, 05:09:46 am
Myroc, you want to trade now?I'm afraid the offer's expired as I have already found someone who was willing to part with one.
Post by: Dsarker on August 20, 2011, 06:41:39 am
Post by: Shadowlord on August 20, 2011, 06:52:27 am
I looked over Deus Ex and want. So much want. The TF2 items are nice too, but oh my god. I want that game. But I don't have $54.Considering Ubisoft's record with PC ports, I rather get it on console
What does Ubisoft have to do with anything? DX:HR is made by Eidos Montreal (a subsidiary of Square Enix) and published by Square Enix.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on August 20, 2011, 08:19:45 am
Holy hell, I thought they where the same company for some reason.I looked over Deus Ex and want. So much want. The TF2 items are nice too, but oh my god. I want that game. But I don't have $54.Considering Ubisoft's record with PC ports, I rather get it on console
What does Ubisoft have to do with anything? DX:HR is made by Eidos Montreal (a subsidiary of Square Enix) and published by Square Enix.
Post by: Jackrabbit on August 20, 2011, 09:08:22 am
Post by: PTTG?? on August 20, 2011, 12:34:25 pm
Post by: katana on August 20, 2011, 02:16:19 pm
My username is katana098 (pkvx) if anyone wants to add me. I found a server that was called dwarf fortress players server or something, but it was empty :/
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 20, 2011, 03:01:57 pm
My username is katana098 (pkvx) if anyone wants to add me. I found a server that was called dwarf fortress players server or something, but it was empty :/
It generally is, but when it isn't... Lots of fun (and FUN).
Post by: katana on August 20, 2011, 03:36:17 pm
Post by: Siquo on August 20, 2011, 04:28:36 pm
Post by: Enzo on August 20, 2011, 06:19:03 pm
Sunday evenings. Join the DFC steam group, there's announcements of bored people sometimes.
Yeah, definitely join the DFC group (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress) if you haven't. The only times I've found a good crowd on the server are when I get a random event announcement for "Late Night TF2 Party" or somesuch. And yeah, it's great fun.
Last night I was playing on a different server that decided to play a match of Badwater Battle-Medics-only. It reminded me, we really must organize some single-class pickup games on DFC, it's a ton of fun. Everybody was really bad at playing battle-medic too, so it was just pure entertainment.
Post by: The Scout on August 20, 2011, 06:37:09 pm
WHY Y NEVER ONLINE? But yeah, I expect a buff for the shotgun. It can do loads of damage, but only at point blank. And that normally means you're dead. I think it'll get a reduction in ammo usage, spread decrease, or more pellets?Shortstop just dropped for me. Oh my god, I love it. All I need is the hat.I can give you the Milkman if you have gift wrap.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on August 20, 2011, 07:23:33 pm
Post by: Nilocy on August 20, 2011, 07:31:52 pm
I'm currently in the middle of No-Internet period of my life. Sooooooooo, I won't really be able to play for another week or so.
Post by: dragonshardz on August 20, 2011, 08:40:43 pm
Anyone want to get the new engie shotgun in exchange for some metal or something? I crafted one but frankly I'd rather keep my Strange Shotgun.
I've got some scrap metal and spares.
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 20, 2011, 08:42:32 pm
Post by: dageek on August 20, 2011, 11:17:50 pm
Post by: katana on August 21, 2011, 04:35:57 am
Been trying to practice all of yesterday. What I don't get is how I'm so bad compared to black ops. Not higher-level super advanced trickshots etc., I MEAN SHOOTING A FREAKING HEAVY IN THE HEAD WHILE HE'S CROUCHED AND MOVING SIDEWAYS CONSISTENTLY T.T
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 21, 2011, 07:36:12 am
Yeah, too bad I suck at sniping >.<Depending on server latency, you may want to just shoot a little behind/in front of them.
Been trying to practice all of yesterday. What I don't get is how I'm so bad compared to black ops. Not higher-level super advanced trickshots etc., I MEAN SHOOTING A FREAKING HEAVY IN THE HEAD WHILE HE'S CROUCHED AND MOVING SIDEWAYS CONSISTENTLY T.T
Post by: katana on August 21, 2011, 10:55:53 am
Post by: dageek on August 21, 2011, 04:25:49 pm
Post by: Enzo on August 21, 2011, 04:54:34 pm
Also, my prediction about raeging over the new Sniper Rifle was correct. Played against a sniper who had a 16-1 KD ratio. He was probably annoying to begin with, but that new gun...
Post by: dragonshardz on August 21, 2011, 05:36:46 pm
Post by: hemmingjay on August 21, 2011, 06:05:53 pm
Post by: freeformschooler on August 21, 2011, 09:24:35 pm
Gentlemen, I have discovered true fun.
Post by: hemmingjay on August 21, 2011, 10:10:12 pm
Post by: Thexor on August 21, 2011, 10:13:56 pm
Yeah, too bad I suck at sniping >.<Depending on server latency, you may want to just shoot a little behind/in front of them.
Been trying to practice all of yesterday. What I don't get is how I'm so bad compared to black ops. Not higher-level super advanced trickshots etc., I MEAN SHOOTING A FREAKING HEAVY IN THE HEAD WHILE HE'S CROUCHED AND MOVING SIDEWAYS CONSISTENTLY T.T
The whole point of lag compensation is to eliminate exactly this artefact. Assuming your ping remains constant, you should shoot directly on target; any delay due to latency will be compensated out by the server.
Now, aiming slightly ahead is still a good idea, but not because of technological issues. Rather, humans have slightly delayed reactions; you may think you're shooting with perfect timing, but in fact you're pressing the mouse button a fraction of a second after you think you are. As a result, it's entirely independent of server latency, and entirely dependent on personal skill. If your reticule was over the target's head at the moment you clicked the button, you will hit, irregardless of latency.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 21, 2011, 10:15:05 pm
The whole point of lag compensation is to eliminate exactly this artefact. Assuming your ping remains constant, you should shoot directly on target; any delay due to latency will be compensated out by the server.Every "Pro" sniper I have ever seen landing every headshot has hit the air slightly in front of a target. Lag Compensation should solve the issue but it doesn't.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on August 21, 2011, 10:57:05 pm
Playing the piss sniper set is actually rather fun(Sleeper/Jar/Bushwacka). You aren't instantly lethal to most larger classes, but if your team is even remotely competant they'll clean up the mess for you, and you are INCREDIBLY more lethal against 150 HP or less classes due to the 25% increased charge rate. You also get to be even faster in close combat if you are a ninja.(Which for me is a very on/off sort of thing. 0P )
Post by: PsyberianHusky on August 22, 2011, 12:21:42 am
Finally managed to get the Sydney Sleeper. At somewhat ridiculous cost but hey... At least it also gave me reason to dump those 4 brass beasts that have been clogging up my inventory.I feel very bad I scraped a ton of those. I never much liked the sleeper.
Playing the piss sniper set is actually rather fun(Sleeper/Jar/Bushwacka). You aren't instantly lethal to most larger classes, but if your team is even remotely competant they'll clean up the mess for you, and you are INCREDIBLY more lethal against 150 HP or less classes due to the 25% increased charge rate. You also get to be even faster in close combat if you are a ninja.(Which for me is a very on/off sort of thing. 0P )
Post by: HLBeta on August 22, 2011, 02:43:19 am
Post by: Shadowlord on August 22, 2011, 07:45:04 am
i'll be selling all of these Deus Ex items to fund other game purchases. Anyone else doing the same?
If it were possible to sell items for steam wallet funds, I'd do consider doing that with some of them. But I don't see the use since you can't, and you can buy the entire set of items for $20 in the TF2 store. I'm interested in Skyrim, but I don't see any sensible way to get it through trade without costing someone more money (trading for items with cheaper-priced games) than it would cost to just buy it (not to mention I could never get it solely through trade anyways).
Post by: Cecilff2 on August 22, 2011, 01:44:51 pm
Post by: Myroc on August 22, 2011, 02:09:27 pm
"The #1 cure for aggressive pubs. Apply directly to face."
Post by: Dermonster on August 22, 2011, 02:18:25 pm
Now I am able to ineffectually yell at everyone while they get themselves and me killed.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 22, 2011, 02:34:20 pm
So I got my computer and then I installed TF2. I was like, ha, this looks like a pretty dumb and boring game. I was so wrong.
Gentlemen, I have discovered true fun.
I know what you mean. I've been playing this since June (Holy shit. Has it really been that long?) and I'm still highly addicted to it. No other game has managed to keep my attention for so long, especially considering that I rarely play multiplayer in any other of my games.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 22, 2011, 03:27:17 pm
Pubstomper wouldn't be bad.
How you do civ demo, anyways?
I've been punishing trigger happy pubs as a civ demo lately. Go demo, and hang out by their spawn, talk to their snipers(Which are usually just fine with me hangin out with them), etc. You know. If someone starts shooting at me, I quickswitch to demopan then charge/pan. So the question is, for this style of play, what should I name my demopan?
I believe he doesn't fight unless someone attacks him first. (I think it stands for civilized demoman.)
Post by: Cecilff2 on August 22, 2011, 03:35:27 pm
To do it, turn off respawn after loadout change in advanced options.
Bind a key to the quickswitch option in controls(Not bound by default)
Run up to a supply closet and taunt. Quickswitch to a different weapon while taunting. At the end of the taunt you become a civ.(Your previous weapon still shows for you, but will not fire. You can test if you did it right by trying to fire.)
You appear like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=donxTCh10Zk) to others.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 22, 2011, 03:39:01 pm
Post by: katana on August 22, 2011, 03:55:51 pm
Yeah, too bad I suck at sniping >.<Depending on server latency, you may want to just shoot a little behind/in front of them.
Been trying to practice all of yesterday. What I don't get is how I'm so bad compared to black ops. Not higher-level super advanced trickshots etc., I MEAN SHOOTING A FREAKING HEAVY IN THE HEAD WHILE HE'S CROUCHED AND MOVING SIDEWAYS CONSISTENTLY T.T
The whole point of lag compensation is to eliminate exactly this artefact. Assuming your ping remains constant, you should shoot directly on target; any delay due to latency will be compensated out by the server.
Now, aiming slightly ahead is still a good idea, but not because of technological issues. Rather, humans have slightly delayed reactions; you may think you're shooting with perfect timing, but in fact you're pressing the mouse button a fraction of a second after you think you are. As a result, it's entirely independent of server latency, and entirely dependent on personal skill. If your reticule was over the target's head at the moment you clicked the button, you will hit, irregardless of latency.
Except when compensation screws up.
I've been getting better (nothing near a level I'd be proud of, but better) with the sniper, I probably hit generic public match players ~30% of the time, around a quarter of those hits are actually headshots. (Assuming I aim at the target for a headshot, 3/4 of the time it hits). I AM A TERRIBLE SNIPER >:U
Must... Keep... Practicing...
Post by: Enzo on August 22, 2011, 04:47:00 pm
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 22, 2011, 06:34:42 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 24, 2011, 04:43:50 pm
Has anybody else experienced this today? (or perhaps in the past)
Post by: Siquo on August 24, 2011, 04:45:44 pm
Got my first 6-stab killstreak today. I suck at spy but this went surprisingly well.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 24, 2011, 04:48:50 pm
Got my first 6-stab killstreak today. I suck at spy but this went surprisingly well.
Please excuse me while I pick up my jaw from the floor.
Post by: Siquo on August 24, 2011, 04:52:11 pm
I'm currently experimenting with the conniver and ringer, but I'm not yet getting the hang of it. The trick is to retreat tactically and behave normally, and I'm not too good at that.
YET!
Post by: 3 on August 24, 2011, 04:58:41 pm
Got my first 6-stab killstreak today. I suck at spy but this went surprisingly well.
Oh, that reminds me: Have the Valve servers gone now or was that just my internet fucking up (I tried playing on the DFC before I noticed anything wrong; bad idea)? If they have, I'll be forced to regularly battle people who can actually play. :(
Post by: Cecilff2 on August 24, 2011, 05:00:26 pm
Spy is my least played class next to sniper.
I'm currently experimenting with the conniver and ringer, but I'm not yet getting the hang of it. The trick is to retreat tactically and behave normally, and I'm not too good at that.
YET!
Retreat behind enemy lines and find an ammo pack. Try to get your cloak to full or as close as possible. Disguise as scout, demo, pyro, sniper, or spy. Mimic behavior, only deploy your DR again if they concentrate on you.(If you get a pyro after you and you get lit, let it burn a little to make your death more convincing)
Spying is much easier when you know all the side passages and little hideouts you can take refuge in.
Also...I noticed they patched the civilian bug. :(
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 24, 2011, 05:02:14 pm
Post by: Dsarker on August 24, 2011, 06:00:33 pm
Don't worry about sucking as spy, 70% of it is luck. At best you can learn how to avoid foes and when to attack, but random spychecking, scouts bumping into you as a pyro rounds a corner, heavies spinning around for no reason to mow you down and all sorts of funkiness can really mess you up no matter what skill level you are at. You can remove a percentage or two for the crazier spy maneuvers like jumping backwards over a scout running straight towards you to backstab them or perfecting facestabs, but don't worry too much about dying a lot.
^this.
Post by: Shadowlord on August 24, 2011, 07:56:36 pm
Something must have happened with the TF2 item servers while I was playing today. As a pyro, I couldn't wield my beloved backburner for some reason. Or a regular flame-thrower. The only weapons I could use was a detonator and postal plummer (I still managed to kill a few people with the two).
Has anybody else experienced this today? (or perhaps in the past)
Something like that happened to me once in the past, several months ago: all my weapons got stuck on what they were on at the time instead of what usually happens when the servers go wonky.
Post by: TherosPherae on August 28, 2011, 03:12:32 pm
Sap a couple of sentries being built or just sap a teleporter, kill an engy in his nest from a distance with the pistol crits, go and sap the nest, repeat ad nasuem. It's even more awesome with a Dead Ringer.
Post by: Dsarker on August 28, 2011, 04:11:14 pm
Post by: 3 on August 28, 2011, 04:18:04 pm
Post by: Dsarker on August 28, 2011, 04:51:28 pm
Post by: Siquo on August 28, 2011, 05:56:24 pm
I... I think we did...... :o
Post by: PsyberianHusky on August 28, 2011, 06:06:18 pm
The Original. It... It looks like a dildo. Did we play those games with dildostraponrocketlaunchers for years?Sometimes a phalic rocketlauncher is just a phalic rocketlancher.
I... I think we did...... :o
Post by: TherosPherae on August 28, 2011, 06:28:28 pm
And sometimes it's gamedevs overcompensating for something. ;)The Original. It... It looks like a dildo. Did we play those games with dildostraponrocketlaunchers for years?Sometimes a phalic rocketlauncher is just a phalic rocketlancher.
I... I think we did...... :o
Post by: FunctionZero on August 28, 2011, 10:38:01 pm
Quote from: ED on The Original
Game-promoted reskin of the standard Rocket Launcher; looks exactly like the Rocket launcher from Quake. Valve decided to troll, placing the viewmodel at the bottom of the screen, so it looks like you're firing rockets from a massive black dong and fapping while reloading. Valve say it's because that's what it looks like on Quake, but we know that they love the cock really.
Post by: Impending Doom on August 31, 2011, 02:03:55 pm
I've had it for about 3 weeks, bought a few things to get premium, and logged 23 hours of game-time.
But I still have yet to see a single drop of any kind. Seriously, even one of those crates would be a welcome sight right about now.
Post by: Thexor on August 31, 2011, 02:20:57 pm
Post by: Impending Doom on August 31, 2011, 02:25:08 pm
Post by: Levi on August 31, 2011, 02:33:49 pm
Two Thursdays have passed since I went premium. :(
Valve wants you to spend more money. Its a big scam I say.
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 31, 2011, 04:24:51 pm
I have everything BUT the Persian Persuader for that set. It's a shame, too.
Post by: Cecilff2 on August 31, 2011, 04:36:12 pm
Post by: Enzo on August 31, 2011, 04:43:13 pm
I think the reset today is in 3 or 4 hours, IIRC.
Post by: Thexor on August 31, 2011, 07:06:42 pm
I went premium after I decided that five bucks was worth it, and my first drop was the sultan's ceremonial.
I have everything BUT the Persian Persuader for that set. It's a shame, too.
For what it's worth, the items are technically in a set, but there's no bonus for completing said set. Valve learned their lesson after the first set of hat-dependent set bonuses. ;D
Post by: Tradanbattlan on August 31, 2011, 07:15:39 pm
Post by: Thexor on August 31, 2011, 09:25:39 pm
Didn't the Medic get a health regen bonus for just having the bow and amputator, though?
It does indeed. Note, however that the Berliner's Bucket Helm (which is included in the Mann Co. package along with the set) is not a required component of said set.
So, we've got the Polycount items, which require a hat to complete a set, and whose sets provide an in-game bonus. We've got the Medieval items, which do not require the matching hats while granting an in-game bonus. And we've got the new items, which require a hat but provide no bonus for completing the set.
Confused yet? :P
Post by: Dermonster on August 31, 2011, 10:30:01 pm
Post by: Gunner-Chan on August 31, 2011, 11:08:09 pm
I don't know why but I just love that hat. I want it so bad~
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on September 01, 2011, 08:55:58 am
The concept alone is awesome.
EDIT: EVEN BETTER... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfiOmo2jr6M
Post by: Siquo on September 01, 2011, 09:04:19 am
EDIT: EVEN BETTER... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfiOmo2jr6MThis made me laugh :)
That is indeed how you play it.
Post by: Kearn on September 01, 2011, 10:29:49 am
i meant to hit a sniper in the balcony on the battlements from our battlements, but the ball hit the bridge, bounced off one of the posts in the balcony, and hit a soldier on the ground on the head from max stun range and he was instantly sniped
Post by: Impending Doom on September 01, 2011, 11:08:29 am
Post by: Shadowlord on September 01, 2011, 12:17:08 pm
Post by: Kearn on September 01, 2011, 12:44:46 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 01, 2011, 12:48:29 pm
Sandvich is part of the Heavy Triple Threat, so its always good to have. And a protip: Always drop it. an extra +50% health of your health healed now is much better than +100% of your health healed over several seconds of being a sitting duck.
Post by: 3 on September 01, 2011, 02:32:31 pm
A few days ago I had my first attempt at taking the Short Circuit seriously and it works amazingly well in the right circumstances. Two dispensers in Dustbowl 3/B's equipment room allows me to almost completely negate the BLUs' counter-spam while protecting my buddy's sentry on the front line. Even better was the fact that the enemy team that match had a clearly coordinated Soldier/Kritz duo whose efforts to flank through the tunnel came to nothing every time.
Here's an idea: Justice/Short Circuit/Gunslinger. The ultimate combat Engie, and still a definite team player.
Post by: Cthulhu on September 01, 2011, 03:10:01 pm
As for spies, I usually go DR/CD+YER, or CD/BE. I always use my vintage ambassador as my pistol. Makes razorback snipers a piece-a-piss.
Post by: 3 on September 01, 2011, 03:18:51 pm
Post by: Siquo on September 01, 2011, 03:34:48 pm
Others seem to suggest using the Big Earner to augment the Ringer. I couldn't disagree more.I don't think that's what you meant.
Anyway, I'm still using the dead ringer with connivers kunai, and I like it. I will try the BE for a change.
Post by: 3 on September 01, 2011, 03:47:46 pm
Post by: Strange guy on September 01, 2011, 05:17:47 pm
Here's an idea: Justice/Short Circuit/Gunslinger. The ultimate combat Engie, and still a definite team player.
Half clip shotgun, rubbish damage secondary that uses up metal, sentry that is more about support than killing on it's own. I personally wouldn't use the short circuit with the gunslinger, seems like it would only be useful with a sentry to protect and a dispenser to supply you. I'd also be wary about using the justice and gunslinger without a pistol. Still could work, but I wouldn't call it the ultimate combat engie.
Post by: Kearn on September 01, 2011, 05:43:29 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on September 01, 2011, 05:56:50 pm
engineer needs a shotgun that causes bleed effects for 2 secondsYes because what TF2 needs more of are weapons that cause bleeding effects.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 01, 2011, 06:05:36 pm
Post by: Thexor on September 01, 2011, 06:15:08 pm
More classes need better afterburn than the Pyro, yes.
More classes need a weapon that gives you plenty of time to retreat for a dispenser, Medic, or health kit before dying, yes.
Especially since DoT-based damage doesn't stack on successive hits. If the fight continues, I out-damage you and kill you. If the fight ends prematurely, I can retreat and heal before your damage becomes dangerous. Lucky crits are also in the favor of the higher base-damage weapon. I fail to see the downside to more bleed-based weapons... for people who don't use them, at least. :P
Post by: ECrownofFire on September 01, 2011, 06:15:55 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on September 01, 2011, 06:29:48 pm
Hmm, what if the Pyro gained the ability to cauterize bleeding damage?Well, bleeding weapons are already really useless. We don't need another way to heal bleeding.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 01, 2011, 06:46:34 pm
There is no way that could go wrong.
Post by: Cthulhu on September 01, 2011, 07:32:56 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 01, 2011, 07:34:11 pm
Because knockback is such a huge problem, we need a whole item to negate it.(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/9/90022/1824995-541px_mantreads_large.png)
Yes, we do.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 01, 2011, 08:48:58 pm
New pyro weapon. -80% damage. +250% knockback. On miss: Hit yourself, idiot.
It'll be called the axecellerant.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on September 01, 2011, 09:10:17 pm
Only really for sentries and annoying heavies.
New pyro weapon. -80% damage. +250% knockback. On miss: Hit yourself, idiot.
It'll be called the axecellerant.
This... so much this. Scout tennis will be the new sport!
Post by: mr. macduggan on September 01, 2011, 10:05:48 pm
The WM2
-50% damage
+70% airblast power
-50% airblast cooldown
Post by: Cthulhu on September 01, 2011, 10:27:14 pm
Only really for sentries and annoying heavies.
New pyro weapon. -80% damage. +250% knockback. On miss: Hit yourself, idiot.
It'll be called the axecellerant.
That'll be cool, but what happens when pyros start using it to catapult themselves around the map?
Post by: Aklyon on September 01, 2011, 10:28:33 pm
The same thing as rocket and sticky jumping.Only really for sentries and annoying heavies.
New pyro weapon. -80% damage. +250% knockback. On miss: Hit yourself, idiot.
It'll be called the axecellerant.
That'll be cool, but what happens when pyros start using it to catapult themselves around the map?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 01, 2011, 10:39:37 pm
That'll be cool, but what happens when pyros start using it to catapult themselves around the map?That is the intended use.
Because being an ambush class with no advanced movement is just cruel.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on September 01, 2011, 10:45:14 pm
The same thing as rocket, sticky and detonator jumping.Only really for sentries and annoying heavies.
New pyro weapon. -80% damage. +250% knockback. On miss: Hit yourself, idiot.
It'll be called the axecellerant.
That'll be cool, but what happens when pyros start using it to catapult themselves around the map?
FTFY
Post by: mr. macduggan on September 01, 2011, 11:23:30 pm
Post by: Siquo on September 02, 2011, 03:18:08 am
No, seriously. Kunai + Ringer seems like a sensible choiceI'm getting up to 9 kills per life on some servers. Until at some point 50% of their team goes pyro, then it's no fun anymore.
Or maybe !!FUN!!
I still need to work on my "behave like a player" behaviour. Going for any backside in range, running towards them in a beeline like some deranged nympho asshunter doesn't help my disguise.
Post by: Dsarker on September 02, 2011, 07:32:33 am
Post by: 3 on September 02, 2011, 01:54:03 pm
Half clip shotgun, rubbish damage secondary that uses up metal, sentry that is more about support than killing on it's own.
The entire point is making an Engie build that defends and supports the team, as opposed to the standard Engie who needs to be defended and supported by everyone else. Without something like the Circuit, the only thing Gunslinger Engies can do of worth is position the mini-sentry as well as they can and hope it picks off some stragglers. The pistol's a safety net; there's no reason why you need to blow all three shots at once (unless you're defending alone or decide to rely on nobody but yourself for some reason, in which cases you're probably going to die no matter what and/or should play a different class). With the SC you can be passively useful on the front lines without having to sit on a dispenser and wrench the gun all day.
Post by: PTTG?? on September 02, 2011, 05:56:47 pm
I'm thinking an engie/universal helmet with either a bright red or bright blue Dorf (mechanic or... some kind of generic crafter, I guess) on it, much like three panel soul has for its dwarves. Other potential items would be a bottle of Plump Helmet Brand "Fruit" wine for the Demoman. Oh, maybe a microline mechanism for the engineer's melee slot.
I will make at least one of these things. What sounds good? Something else?
Post by: Aklyon on September 02, 2011, 06:02:35 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 02, 2011, 06:28:36 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on September 02, 2011, 06:40:53 pm
That could be enabled by replacing the wrench with something else. I'm not sure if I'd go with a mechanism.
Also, perhaps replace the turret with a ballista. Hmm.
Post by: PTTG?? on September 02, 2011, 07:09:01 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 02, 2011, 07:39:56 pm
"Umm, so, if there's a jarate and a bottle of milk, how about a throwable item for the Pyro that's a bottle of OIL!"
@ DF item discussion
A gigantic, braided beard for the Engy.
Post by: Strange guy on September 03, 2011, 07:05:34 am
Post by: Dsarker on September 03, 2011, 07:08:42 am
My little brother:
"Umm, so, if there's a jarate and a bottle of milk, how about a throwable item for the Pyro that's a bottle of OIL!"
@ DF item discussion
A gigantic, braided beard for the Engy.
Oil as a trap that sticks to enemies and can be set fire to? Maybe does extra fire damage/doesn't come off in water?
Wait, idea! NAPALM throwable!
Post by: Jackrabbit on September 03, 2011, 08:28:26 am
"lay down an oil slick and ignite it! Leads to exciting waiting around for the enemy team!"
Post by: Geen on September 03, 2011, 12:16:22 pm
Post by: Flying Carcass on September 03, 2011, 02:20:18 pm
Post by: Blargityblarg on September 03, 2011, 06:36:25 pm
A good dwarven TF2 unlockable would be a big beard for the accessory slot.
I'd personally put it as a melee weapon.
Post by: Geen on September 03, 2011, 06:50:56 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on September 03, 2011, 06:52:28 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 03, 2011, 11:40:05 pm
Post by: Enzo on September 04, 2011, 01:14:24 am
Magma Cannon (Primary)
+25% Damage
-25% Max Ammo
-50% Afterburn time
Slade Warhammer (Melee)
Knockback on hit (equivalent to airblast)
-25% Damage
Pig Tail Sock (Misc)
A sock attached to the side filter of the Pyro's mask.
Sigh. Too bad it'll never happen.
Post by: The Scout on September 04, 2011, 06:13:24 am
The Pyro alone could accommodate a DF themed update..... Those are awesome. But Valve would need a model before thinking of using it.
Magma Cannon (Primary)
+25% Damage
-25% Max Ammo
-50% Afterburn time
Slade Warhammer (Melee)
Knockback on hit (equivalent to airblast)
-25% Damage
Pig Tail Sock (Misc)
A sock attached to the side filter of the Pyro's mask.
Sigh. Too bad it'll never happen.
Post by: Frajic on September 04, 2011, 12:07:23 pm
If someone makes the models, it should be easy creating a plugin that lets you use them.The Pyro alone could accommodate a DF themed update..... Those are awesome. But Valve would need a model before thinking of using it.
Magma Cannon (Primary)
+25% Damage
-25% Max Ammo
-50% Afterburn time
Slade Warhammer (Melee)
Knockback on hit (equivalent to airblast)
-25% Damage
Pig Tail Sock (Misc)
A sock attached to the side filter of the Pyro's mask.
Sigh. Too bad it'll never happen.
Post by: Vactor on September 04, 2011, 09:50:46 pm
No, seriously. Kunai + Ringer seems like a sensible choiceI'm getting up to 9 kills per life on some servers. Until at some point 50% of their team goes pyro, then it's no fun anymore.
Or maybe !!FUN!!
I still need to work on my "behave like a player" behaviour. Going for any backside in range, running towards them in a beeline like some deranged nympho asshunter doesn't help my disguise.
My big trick for "behave like a player" is to run at my target backwards. People are far less likely to suspect someone who is backpedaling away from, but facing the enemy than they would someone who has their back turned to the enemy.
Post by: Jackrabbit on September 04, 2011, 11:28:14 pm
Actually, on that note, do spies bleed if shot? I've heard things that seem to indicate they can but I've never seen a clear indication of a spy whilst shooting him with anything other than a flamethrower.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 04, 2011, 11:41:23 pm
I don't understand the Kunai. In a world where the difference between killing a scout and a soldier is a second of extra DPS for most classes I don't see how this minor of a situational health buff is helpful. He could have 300 health for all I care, the moment he is found out he's dead.
Post by: Jackrabbit on September 05, 2011, 02:12:50 am
Post by: Siquo on September 05, 2011, 03:52:42 am
The kunai is great not just because of the overheal, but the heal. With the dead ringer, it goes like this: Run up, get killed(cloak), get behind the enemy, recharge ringer, stab stab, get hit a few times, recloak, repeat. The kunai is like the demoknights' katana like that: every kill is an insta-heal.
Walking backwards usually means I walk into the enemy, revealing my location. :(
Post by: justinlee999 on September 05, 2011, 04:13:27 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 05, 2011, 07:59:45 am
Post by: Siquo on September 05, 2011, 08:19:45 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on September 05, 2011, 08:58:49 am
Or being a battlespy with the Kunai. I'm not as reckless as I normally am with the Kunai because I recognise that I'm not as resiliant as a regular spy. It's encouragement not to get hit at all.
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on September 05, 2011, 09:01:30 am
Post by: Shadowlord on September 05, 2011, 10:58:24 am
I need to make or get a righteous bison.
Post by: Tyler6498 on September 05, 2011, 11:00:54 am
The DH eats face but nobody uses it because they'd rather have the noob tube. :U
I guess the comments about the kunai make me suicidal, since I've a strange one I use and I loathe the DR. The fact that getting hit = death makes me less likely to get hit, so I guess it works.
My strange kunai is Positively Inhumane and I use it with the Invisibility watch. Another thing that makes this knife pretty awesome is how when you stab an engineer, you get 180 hp to act like insurance when sapping his sentry! This knife taught me how to do this pretty much 95% of the time with the normal knife in only a matter of a day. YER taught me how to use my cloak more efficiently and how to rely on things like stairstabs and leaping stabs. I use the normal knife a majority of the time BUT I find all the knifes useful in a way to get better as being pitted with a different situation of survival would teach me how to survive differently, and the training mixes with any knife.
Post by: Shadowlord on September 05, 2011, 11:22:16 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 05, 2011, 12:53:30 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I still maintain my comment from a few pages back about spy play being 70% luck. It's unfortunate that Pyro also has a similar amount to his gameplay. Soldier is odd because I think he has the least random chance that can fuck him up. He can rocket jump or Equalizer dash out of most unfavorable situations that would be hopeless for any other class.
Post by: mr. macduggan on September 05, 2011, 01:00:12 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 05, 2011, 01:02:38 pm
Post by: Siquo on September 05, 2011, 05:24:00 pm
I still maintain my comment from a few pages back about spy play being 70% luck. It's unfortunate that Pyro also has a similar amount to his gameplay.Nonsense. Those two especially require a "get behind enemy lines" strategy. Knowing the map is 70% for these.
Post by: Enzo on September 05, 2011, 05:44:01 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 05, 2011, 05:58:01 pm
Nonsense. Those two especially require a "get behind enemy lines" strategy. Knowing the map is 70% for these.The spy yes, he does require getting behind people and has tools for this job. He still dies a lot to bullshit. Like rocket jumping soldiers yeah. Or a pyro turning a corner the moment you go around it, or a heavy turning around to gun you down for no reason, or the moment you chose to uncloak somebody turns a corner and spots you.
Pyro has no tools for getting behind enemy lines(And don't give me the health/speed ratio bullshit again), although he does have a tool for controlling enemy movement that requires him to be in the range where all other classes out-DPS him.
They are well-designed classes with excellent balance and all that, but there is no way to work around bad luck. It's sorta true for every game really, you never know if an entire enemy team is just around the corner or have the tools for dealing with it. I think some classes just have an easy time putting the blame on these random events instead of skill.
Post by: mr. macduggan on September 05, 2011, 06:14:08 pm
EDIT: ALSO- listening to the game audio, watching kill notifications, and trying to know which positions and portions of the map are "held but vacant" "held and occupied by passers by" "held by a standing force" or "held with a sentry gun" will save you a TON of deaths. If you see corpses, that should be a sign. If you hear bullets, that's a sign too. TF2 actually does a pretty good job with map awareness if you try hard.
Post by: Enzo on September 05, 2011, 06:18:17 pm
Could an underpowered class do this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_RUT5POO5k&feature=related)
Really I just wanted to post that video.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 05, 2011, 06:24:29 pm
I'm tired of all this "pryo's are underpowered" crap I keep hearing.You are gonna keep hearing it, no video is gonna change it. The W+M1 video supposedly caused a lot of the nerfs that happened, so I hope one isn't used as evidence again.
(The video is pretty cool though.)
Post by: MrWiggles on September 05, 2011, 06:54:09 pm
And the class is great, if you use him right. Thats the key word there, use him right. My load out is Flamethrower, Detonator, and Homewrecker.
I'm an agressive offensive pyro, who knows how to use his airblast for defense and support.
Post by: hemmingjay on September 05, 2011, 08:25:48 pm
Post by: Enzo on September 05, 2011, 08:38:02 pm
Pyro's actually one of my lesser-played-classes, but in the right situations switching to Pyro can have amazing results.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 05, 2011, 08:50:20 pm
more video evidence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFl6SzGmoo0)You deserve every view.
Post by: Siquo on September 06, 2011, 02:50:32 am
The spy yes, he does require getting behind people and has tools for this job. He still dies a lot to bullshit. Like rocket jumping soldiers yeah. Or a pyro turning a corner the moment you go around it, or a heavy turning around to gun you down for no reason, or the moment you chose to uncloak somebody turns a corner and spots you.So does every other class. Being aware of your surroundings before you decloak for instance might help you a bit. Places where soldiers rocket jump are pretty known as well.
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Pyro has no tools for getting behind enemy lines(And don't give me the health/speed ratio bullshit again),No, therefore: know thy mappe.
A lot of detour routes are hardly ever used and usually have a lot of corners, making them ideal for the pyro to get behind or flank the enemy bulk. Once the emeny knows that trick (and put up a sentry there), do something else for a little while and return to the trick when they get bored of waiting for you again. Adapting to your enemy's movements is key.
I vehemently disagree that luck is a greater factor in these two classes than in any other class. That would mean I have an extraordinary amount of luck, and that's just very improbable... ;)
Post by: Jackrabbit on September 06, 2011, 03:25:11 am
Post by: mr. macduggan on September 06, 2011, 08:39:01 pm
(sorry I don't know how to condense the link like kinseti, but this sums up my playstyle well)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 06, 2011, 08:56:17 pm
So does every other class. Being aware of your surroundings before you decloak for instance might help you a bit. Places where soldiers rocket jump are pretty known as well.Standing here for a minute, observing enemy movement from a corner. Seems a huge respawn wave just passed, nobody around, seems like a safe time to decloak and there is no information indicating this is a bad ti-
Oh, just as you clicked the button a soldier rounds the corner. GG. And there are no "Rocket jump spots" They can be used for a ton of different things from very much anywhere. If a soldier just wants to cover some distance real fast they can do it with no higher ledges in sight. Unless you limit 'smart' spy play to only narrow hallways.
No, therefore: know thy mappe.It all depends on the map and again, luck. Some maps are terribly designed for ambush classes. You will have one main path and if you are lucky an alternative path that separates from the main one a little bit before joining back with it. And everyone knows the maps, so everyone knows the ambush positions.
A lot of detour routes are hardly ever used and usually have a lot of corners, making them ideal for the pyro to get behind or flank the enemy bulk. Once the emeny knows that trick (and put up a sentry there), do something else for a little while and return to the trick when they get bored of waiting for you again. Adapting to your enemy's movements is key.
And the usual issue of other ambush classes taking the second of two possible paths, or a heavy deciding to be an ambush class because he is far more suited for it.
I have no way of quantifying enemy player skill without it being immensely douchey and insulting, but that is a good possibility.
Post by: mr. macduggan on September 06, 2011, 09:08:35 pm
SO YEAH. It works for me for certain. Versus a heavy you should be able to set him alight and axe him once by the time he's done spinning up, then you just have to live long enough to hit him again. The degreaser multiplies your dps by amazing amounts in quick encounters like that.
Post by: MrWiggles on September 07, 2011, 04:53:25 am
Yeah, the main problem I have with pyro (which you can clearly see I'm an advocate of) is that if there is a map like Badwater where there aren't many alternate routes, I have to play defense (even for the offensive team, just picking off stragglers into our territory). For that reason, I much prefer to play on open maps like KOTH, CTF, or CP because there truly are different routes. And anyway, A good pyro should be able to beat most classes in a straight up fight. To be honest, lately I've been winning most duels versus heavies with my axetinguisher by strafing around their side while attacking. Demoknights are easy to kill, snipers/spies/medics are sitting ducks, soldiers and demomen are a situational match, but if you can reflect/engage in a tight space/surprise them, they will go down. Engineers wall a pyro without an ubercharge, and often even when the pyro has one, though, so you really can't do direct assault.
SO YEAH. It works for me for certain. Versus a heavy you should be able to set him alight and axe him once by the time he's done spinning up, then you just have to live long enough to hit him again. The degreaser multiplies your dps by amazing amounts in quick encounters like that.
I agree that Badwater doesnt have a lot of alternative routes, but the pyro can make use of all of them quite effectively. When I play on Badwater, I never feel the urge to play defensively. A favor tactic of mine when the cart is on the roof (when offensive) is leap from the roof onto the enemies below. When defensive, a single pyro can effectively hold the roof fairly well, with its limited number of entrances, and the airblast. When the cart is moving down the freaken large ramp, I'll often be keeping the cart steady in position, even if its a sucide run, using my air blast to beat down the defensive line. If I know there are snipers, I'll start to harasses them with my dentator, I try to make sure that the side corner is free of engy shenanigans.
Now, open maps, are kinda meh for my style. Since the Pyro is close fighter, the open map is a disadvantage to him. I find myself, lacking a focus to charge, like in Thunder Mountain. The enemies are harder to know where they are.
Post by: mr. macduggan on September 07, 2011, 05:58:51 am
Post by: PTTG?? on September 07, 2011, 09:51:24 am
Post by: Nilocy on September 07, 2011, 02:31:37 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 07, 2011, 02:40:17 pm
Well, a pyro that is actually hiding in a choke point is in his natural habitat. Nothing better than having swarms of enemies turn a blind corner into your flames.And then proceed to kill you with no means of escape. Except killing everyone. Good luck with that. If it's like the first point of Thunder Mountain then you might get away with an airblast, but soldiers and demomen could still likely blow you up before you can escape.
Post by: Siquo on September 07, 2011, 02:46:36 pm
Well, a pyro that is actually hiding in a choke point is in his natural habitat.Common misconception. The natural habitat of a pyro is right behind the main force of the enemy, just before they want to make their push.
Oh god I love those scenes. Fire all around you and everyone's so confused that you can even get a few mailbox hits in before you're killed. After that you get a support kill for everyone else because your team thought it'd be nice to rack up some kills in a field of half-dead enemies. Oh... the glory... 8)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 07, 2011, 02:53:15 pm
I think I would have more respect for airblast if it made any damn sense. Does it have a minimum range? Only way I can explain videos of people airblasting projectiles in ways that have killed me countless times. I have pulled off the "Kill somebody behind me with an airblast" thing, but front airblasts seem to be chance-based.
Post by: Siquo on September 07, 2011, 03:06:28 pm
Post by: Thexor on September 07, 2011, 04:59:43 pm
Airblasts are completely luck-based, just like the entire class.
Wait, what? Luck-based as in, trying to time them? The people who play on Dodgeball servers beg to differ - if you can see the rocket coming, it's possible to reflect. Even at close range - most soldiers will fire as fast as possible, so you can learn the time between shots and reflect shots that would normally be too close to hit.
Do you mean aiming whatever you reflect? It's just like aiming a normal rocket. Heck, if you really know what you're doing, it's possible to rocket-jump with reflected rockets (seriously, don't try this at home until you're pretty confident), which works surprisingly well.
Or do you mean when airblasting people into the air? Completely luck-independent; heavy classes don't move as far, walls stop their movement.
So, really: How are airblasts luck-based? I mean, sure, if you have no clue how to time them, they're luck-based; same with every other weapon in the game, when you're unskilled with them. Headshots, pipe bomb hits, rockets - half the game is 'luck-based' if you haven't yet figured out how to use it properly.
Post by: Siquo on September 07, 2011, 05:06:40 pm
I really try never to be sarcastic, again :(
But... if you would have read the entire conversation (or at least 13 posts) before that one post, you'd have noticed.
Post by: mr. macduggan on September 07, 2011, 05:12:10 pm
Post by: Thexor on September 07, 2011, 05:46:21 pm
Sorry, that statement needed a sarcasm sign.
I really try never to be sarcastic, again :(
But... if you would have read the entire conversation (or at least 13 posts) before that one post, you'd have noticed.
Eh, sorry. I'm not so good at spotting text-sarcasm, and couldn't remember which side of the debate you were on. :-[
Post by: HLBeta on September 07, 2011, 06:13:58 pm
That aside, I still think that making pyros immune to close-range damage ramp-up is a great idea. It should permit them to be a bit more agressive in their supposed area of excellence without totally wrecking balance.
Post by: Tyler6498 on September 08, 2011, 03:51:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m1gjUDYZD0&feature=channel_video_title
End match details: 8v8, roughly 6:30 minutes, 15 kills, 1 assist, 1 capture, 1 life
Post by: Siquo on September 08, 2011, 04:30:22 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 08, 2011, 04:34:24 pm
Even at close range - most soldiers will fire as fast as possible, so you can learn the time between shots and reflect shots that would normally be too close to hit.Unless there is lag on their end, or they have slow reaction times, or other latency shenanigans. There are general timings and feelings to follow when trying this, but they are easily made useless by stuff most people suffer from.
I will admit that I have not ever figured out the correct airblast timing for a projectile heading straight towards me, and every video I have seen of it being done was from the same zone where I always fail. There is a bit of a sore side there. Everything else is legit.
Airblasting people is fine and dandy until they suddenly realize in a zen-like moment, my god, I just need to shoot them. Only really works when you are taking advantage of cover and corners to keep them away from having a good LoS on you. Unless it's a corner of a hallway then they just turn the corner again and shoot you as you are halfway towards an escape.
One can be successful as a Pyro when the powers that be work in your favor, where pretty much any class can work well. But in every situation I see the Pyro go into he survives because the other players failed to either aim, react to the situation or the foe was already at a disadvantage. Every time I attempt an ambush it is weak due to inherent weaknesses with the class which other ambushing classes don't have.
Honestly, just let him have a class-based advanced mobility jump. Like an airblast jump. It's a pyro, having them be able to ascend a ledge is not a problem. Him jumping over the battlefield isn't a problem wither because he is completely harmless when in the air and at half health when he lands. This is like giving the Scout the Brass Beast: It doesn't matter that it's a minigun on a scout, it has enough downsides that synergize with his other weaknesses to make it not a problem for anybody.
Post by: Tyler6498 on September 08, 2011, 04:46:07 pm
Funny how you also get the spy vs spy effect: If the top-killer of a team is a spy, suddenly people on both teams start playing spy as well :)
Yeah there team started with no spies and by the last 30 seconds there team had 4.
Post by: FunctionZero on September 08, 2011, 04:50:23 pm
Funny how you also get the spy vs spy effect: If the top-killer of a team is a spy, suddenly people on both teams start playing spy as well :)
Yeah there team started with no spies and by the last 30 seconds there team had 4.
Where?
Post by: Aklyon on September 08, 2011, 04:54:01 pm
Over there, of course!Funny how you also get the spy vs spy effect: If the top-killer of a team is a spy, suddenly people on both teams start playing spy as well :)
Yeah there team started with no spies and by the last 30 seconds there team had 4.
Where?
Post by: PTTG?? on September 08, 2011, 04:55:32 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 08, 2011, 06:05:37 pm
Post by: Siquo on September 09, 2011, 03:40:58 am
When they should have gone pyro. ::) Of course, it's always fun to go pyro yourself when they all go spy :)Funny how you also get the spy vs spy effect: If the top-killer of a team is a spy, suddenly people on both teams start playing spy as well :)
Yeah there team started with no spies and by the last 30 seconds there team had 4.
Team-playing means (at the very least) adapting to both your own team and the opposing team...
Post by: Jackrabbit on September 09, 2011, 08:36:15 am
Post by: Siquo on September 09, 2011, 08:42:35 am
If I ever play a sniper, I'm actually mocking you. ;)
Post by: Jackrabbit on September 09, 2011, 08:47:17 am
I guess I just really suck at playing sniper.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 09, 2011, 09:12:19 am
Post by: FunctionZero on September 09, 2011, 09:48:54 am
Oh God yes. Fucking snipers, how do they work? Seriously, I've tried everything, lowering sensitivity, graphics, all the tips and tricks.Try moving yourself instead of moving your mouse. Line up the height, then move yourself for aiming. Needs a bit of practice, but it definitely works.
I guess I just really suck at playing sniper.
You could also go as a Huntsman sniper. Huntsmans are great if you suck at aiming. (Like me, heh.)
Post by: Siquo on September 09, 2011, 09:56:37 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on September 09, 2011, 09:57:46 am
Gah. Played a match recently where I got three kills in a row as a sniper, yet the server didn't allow me to record replays. If you're wondering why making three kills in a row is so impressive to me, it is because I did it with a sniper rifle. And without using the scope (ie scopeless). Gah.
Wish I had been on a replay server during a turbine match once. Had a kritz medic healing me as sniper. Suddenly he pops uber...on me.(I'm guessing he was trolling) I run out into the main area and noscope 2 scouts, a spy, a soldier, a demoman, and then chase down a scout after the uber runs out and noscope him too. The medic was literally laughing after that. "I really didn't expect that to work at all"
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 09, 2011, 10:50:26 am
Of course I tend to be somewhat unlucky about that when people inexplicably stop before running into the sniper dot.
Post by: Myroc on September 09, 2011, 11:02:31 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on September 09, 2011, 11:13:52 am
For sydney I like to get a lot more charge built before I fire(Unless the enemy is pressing down, in which case I jarate them and backpeddle doing noscope shots as I run back to team). You can bodyshot most classes 1 hit. And two shot the rest with a quick scope and fire.(Heavies have no chance)
I find regular rifle to be better suited for mobility though(If you can headshot well enough). Find your target, scope, shoot, 150 damage, move on. I rarely ever wait for charge on it unless I'm pinned down or there's a heavy medic pair where I can't get at the medic(I'll probably only get to 60-70% charge nonetheless before I fire, your teammates can usually take him out quick after the 300 or so damage you deal there).
Huntsman is similar except even more aggressive.
I still miss maybe 50-60% of the time with regular rifle, but I just remain fairly quick between shots and usually get them the second time.
Post by: Errol on September 10, 2011, 01:18:30 pm
Post by: Strange guy on September 10, 2011, 02:33:28 pm
Anyway I've been back to playing TF2 after a bit of break, I got the soda popper by random drop and was keen to trying it out, but it doesn't work how it thought it would. You just have to hope the period you have minicrits in matches when you are fighting, I thought the minicrits would only start when firing. I'll still give it a bit more of a go, I did pretty decently with it especially considering I'm poor at scout and my low fame rate. Also crafted the Righteous Bison, it's a fun weapon, but the shotgun is hitscan and can deal lots of damage. Not sure it really compares.
Post by: Flying Carcass on September 10, 2011, 02:43:32 pm
This just in: Full medic teams are awesome!
I know, right? :)
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Anyway I've been back to playing TF2 after a bit of break, I got the soda popper by random drop and was keen to trying it out, but it doesn't work how it thought it would. You just have to hope the period you have minicrits in matches when you are fighting, I thought the minicrits would only start when firing.
You can control when you get the mini crits by keeping an eye on the hype bar. When it is close to maxing, switch to another weapon (such as the pistol) to keep the hype bar from maxing. Pull the popper out when you need to shoot, finish the hype, and then shoot. Hype won't decrease while the soda popper is put away, so by doing this one can effectively choose when to crit.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 10, 2011, 02:57:29 pm
This just in: Full medic teams are awesome!
You know what is equally as awesome? Full Spy teams. I literally giggled for the entire time I was playing.
Actually full X teams are awesome no matter what class is X. The DFC server should have more games like that.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 10, 2011, 03:14:31 pm
Post by: The Scout on September 10, 2011, 03:21:32 pm
Full soldier teams on attack/defend maps is rather brutal. A massive concave of soldiers all firing into the blue spawn....Or a bunch of soldiers with the buffing stuff. That would suck to have mini-critting healing almost invincible soldiers rush in.
Post by: Shadowlord on September 10, 2011, 06:15:04 pm
Post by: PsyberianHusky on September 10, 2011, 06:53:59 pm
You can switch weapons when you hit the crits, so you can switch to pistol and harass from range with impunity.This just in: Full medic teams are awesome!
I know, right? :)QuoteAnyway I've been back to playing TF2 after a bit of break, I got the soda popper by random drop and was keen to trying it out, but it doesn't work how it thought it would. You just have to hope the period you have minicrits in matches when you are fighting, I thought the minicrits would only start when firing.
You can control when you get the mini crits by keeping an eye on the hype bar. When it is close to maxing, switch to another weapon (such as the pistol) to keep the hype bar from maxing. Pull the popper out when you need to shoot, finish the hype, and then shoot. Hype won't decrease while the soda popper is put away, so by doing this one can effectively choose when to crit.
I have fairly reliably taken out weaken'd heavies this way.
Post by: mr. macduggan on September 10, 2011, 11:19:13 pm
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on September 11, 2011, 08:00:51 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on September 12, 2011, 03:23:46 am
I still want to see a full huntsman-sniper team all lined up and raining arrows at the enemy one day.
We did that on our server once, bar one single Pyro; he set all the arrows on fire :P Good times, good times. (I still missed every single thing I shot an arrow at though :P )
Post by: PTTG?? on September 12, 2011, 11:09:38 pm
Two teams, one bar of Austrailium. Sharing is a lost art.
In this game mode, a special item- the titular Bar of Pure Austrailium- is placed on the map. It may be in a specific central location, or else in some random place along the middle.
If you pick up the Bar, it replaces your weapons and items for as long as you carry it. Class abilities, such as medic regeneration and double jumping, still work, but active abilities, like demo charges and detonations or spy cloaking, do not. Additionally, you are slowed by a small margin (5%?).
It is possible to swing the bar as a melee weapon (some classes swing faster or do more damage with it than others, and it causes the "midas" effect), and right-clicking causes you to throw the bar. Scouts can barely toss it; heavies can hurl it a significant distance (hold right to charge). This is used to pass the bar to a teammate, or at least to get your hands free to use your gun.
Pure Austrailium reacts poorly to ubercharges. The Medigun's built-in safeguards* prevent you from ubering Bar carriers. Perhaps the Kritz works normally; after all, running around criting everyone in the vicinity into solid gold would be interesting to say the least.
There is one last thing about the Bar; holding it will gradually turn you into solid gold. You must drop or throw it to a teammate within thirty seconds or else suffer goldification yourself.
Here our options vary:
Variation 1:
Your goal is to carry the Bar to a single, central "forge" and stand in front of it for 30-60 seconds without dying; throwing the bar to a teammate does not reset the counter. The central forge is some distance from the similarly central starting point of the Bar. Map design will have to be somewhat elaborate.
Pros: Hard to fortify the forge AND grab the Bar
Cons: If one side gets the bar and the other camps the forge, the game could drag on
Variation 2:
Your goal is to carry the Bar back to your team's "forge" and stand in front of it for 30-60 seconds without dying; throwing the bar to a teammate** does not reset the counter.
Pros: Nigh-impossible to camp the Bar or the Forge, games are fast
Cons: Game will most likely be decided by a medic/scout rush.
Variation 3:
As long as someone on your team is holding the bar, your teams three-minute timer counts down. First team to reach 0 wins.
Pros: Game is focused on the bar, nothing else. Maximum duration is capped at an action-packed 6 minutes.
Cons: Possible, with poor map design, for a scout or other mobile class to grab the bar and hide somewhere innaccessable.
Variation 4: As long as anyone is holding the bar, a five-minute timer counts down. Whatever team holds the bar at THAT MOMENT wins.
Pros: As V3.
Cons: Much like V3. Possible that the longer game time may allow the losing team a better chance to find and eliminate the hiding scout.
*Ha
**While there is a 1~2-second delay during which only allies may pick up the bar, disguised spies can intercept it. This drops their disguise, naturally.
PPS: Engies may not use the bar to repair. That said, a solid gold sentry has to be worth somethin'.
Post by: Enzo on September 12, 2011, 11:55:35 pm
Hold the Austrailium
Variation 3 seems the most fun. Reminds me of Rambo Mode in Soldat. There is a bow. The person that holds the bow is Rambo. The person who is Rambo the longest wins. The bow is dropped when Rambo is killed. The bow is an awesome weapon, but it makes you a target for every other player on the map. I guess it's quite a bit different with the team dynamic, but that's just what I thought of.
Also, got a Strange Kunai. A while back I traded away my old kunai because I thought it sucked, but I've since learned to use the Dead Ringer effectively, and the Kunai is awesome with DR.
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on September 18, 2011, 07:26:21 pm
Anyhow, this is tf2-related, since the sniper from DotA 2 quotes the TF2 sniper a crapton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CNZ9gfsyA4&feature=channel_video_title
Post by: Necro910 on September 18, 2011, 07:33:27 pm
Hold the AustrailiumI like variation 1 or 2, but especially 1. It doesn't matter TOO much if the game drags on (Moar items and kills for evarybody!), and I personally would like the assault type strategies NATURALLY developing.
Two teams, one bar of Austrailium. Sharing is a lost art.
In this game mode, a special item- the titular Bar of Pure Austrailium- is placed on the map. It may be in a specific central location, or else in some random place along the middle.
If you pick up the Bar, it replaces your weapons and items for as long as you carry it. Class abilities, such as medic regeneration and double jumping, still work, but active abilities, like demo charges and detonations or spy cloaking, do not. Additionally, you are slowed by a small margin (5%?).
It is possible to swing the bar as a melee weapon (some classes swing faster or do more damage with it than others, and it causes the "midas" effect), and right-clicking causes you to throw the bar. Scouts can barely toss it; heavies can hurl it a significant distance (hold right to charge). This is used to pass the bar to a teammate, or at least to get your hands free to use your gun.
Pure Austrailium reacts poorly to ubercharges. The Medigun's built-in safeguards* prevent you from ubering Bar carriers. Perhaps the Kritz works normally; after all, running around criting everyone in the vicinity into solid gold would be interesting to say the least.
There is one last thing about the Bar; holding it will gradually turn you into solid gold. You must drop or throw it to a teammate within thirty seconds or else suffer goldification yourself.
Here our options vary:
Variation 1:
Your goal is to carry the Bar to a single, central "forge" and stand in front of it for 30-60 seconds without dying; throwing the bar to a teammate does not reset the counter. The central forge is some distance from the similarly central starting point of the Bar. Map design will have to be somewhat elaborate.
Pros: Hard to fortify the forge AND grab the Bar
Cons: If one side gets the bar and the other camps the forge, the game could drag on
Variation 2:
Your goal is to carry the Bar back to your team's "forge" and stand in front of it for 30-60 seconds without dying; throwing the bar to a teammate** does not reset the counter.
Pros: Nigh-impossible to camp the Bar or the Forge, games are fast
Cons: Game will most likely be decided by a medic/scout rush.
Variation 3:
As long as someone on your team is holding the bar, your teams three-minute timer counts down. First team to reach 0 wins.
Pros: Game is focused on the bar, nothing else. Maximum duration is capped at an action-packed 6 minutes.
Cons: Possible, with poor map design, for a scout or other mobile class to grab the bar and hide somewhere innaccessable.
Variation 4: As long as anyone is holding the bar, a five-minute timer counts down. Whatever team holds the bar at THAT MOMENT wins.
Pros: As V3.
Cons: Much like V3. Possible that the longer game time may allow the losing team a better chance to find and eliminate the hiding scout.
*Ha
**While there is a 1~2-second delay during which only allies may pick up the bar, disguised spies can intercept it. This drops their disguise, naturally.
PPS: Engies may not use the bar to repair. That said, a solid gold sentry has to be worth somethin'.
One problem is that the heavy could take the australium and hurl it onto the roof of a building not even a scout could reach. This could be fixed by a 30 second respawn, if the australium bar is not taken.
Post by: Flying Carcass on September 18, 2011, 08:22:37 pm
Post by: Thexor on September 18, 2011, 08:26:49 pm
Is it possible to get a strange rocket jumper? :P
The wiki says no, (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Item_quality_distribution#Strange) sadly.
Post by: MrWiggles on September 18, 2011, 09:29:34 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on September 18, 2011, 10:01:18 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on September 18, 2011, 10:39:29 pm
I like the Australium mode idea, I think to fix some issues of scout/medic's rushing the bar the forge should be where the enemy team spawns.So basically a reverse CTF?
Post by: Dsarker on September 19, 2011, 03:12:58 am
That would be a really fun mode.I like the Australium mode idea, I think to fix some issues of scout/medic's rushing the bar the forge should be where the enemy team spawns.So basically a reverse CTF?
Post by: Enzo on September 19, 2011, 03:38:45 am
Post by: MrWiggles on September 19, 2011, 11:31:30 pm
Post by: King_of_the_weasels on September 20, 2011, 07:56:54 am
Post by: MrWiggles on September 20, 2011, 08:01:58 am
Post by: King_of_the_weasels on September 20, 2011, 08:03:38 am
I play nearly daily. If you want you can have my steam account.
You mean like adding you as friend, and obviously not here take my account. Right?
Anyway steam tag is Mahtan Elensar
Post by: Shadowlord on September 20, 2011, 12:39:10 pm
I play nearly daily. If you want you can have my steam account.
Yeah, that's pretty illegal. Tally ho.
Post by: Darion on September 20, 2011, 05:59:33 pm
Post by: Thexor on September 20, 2011, 08:34:32 pm
Why do when i look to where there are some players i get a fps drop?
A guess? Horribly unoptimized models. Many new hats and weapons, in particular, have insane polygon counts (and no LOD models, so they continue to consume thousands of polygons even at long distances).
You can 'fix' it by lowering your graphics settings, assuming they'll go any lower. If they won't, consider downgrading to DX8, which makes the game look pretty darn ugly but further improves FPS. If that still doesn't work, do a Google search for "TF2 FPS scripts" or something along those lines - there exist scripts that can lower your graphics quality even lower than the standard presets (along with other subtle optimizations), giving even more speed.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 20, 2011, 10:09:17 pm
And the models in this game play kinda funky when they fill most of your screen. I remember once time as a sniper i was looking down an alley when a soldier walked in front of me and my scope saw through his launcher. Game lagged for five seconds from that.
Post by: mr. macduggan on September 24, 2011, 10:48:28 am
I want my sniper rifle to be invisible, but my jarate/smg to be visible, as well as my kukiri. I use the scroll wheel for weapon changes, with 'q' always bound to melee.
How can I make just this one weapon be invisible? I know how to make every weapon disappear, but making just one do that is a challenge.
Post by: Thexor on September 24, 2011, 02:13:52 pm
Valve, just grant us a Nohat mode. No purely cosmetic items are used, reskins are replaced by their original item, the usual stuff.
Actually... it only removes hats, and I've never tested it, but in theory this is mostly what you want. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24233177)
The only immediate issue I can see is that 'default' hats (like the Soldier's helmet) won't be restored, so you'll see lots of Soldiers (and probably Snipers) running around bald.
Post by: Jar of Jam on September 26, 2011, 04:36:04 pm
Post by: Enzo on September 26, 2011, 05:27:51 pm
It's another Melee set. :<
Post by: PTTG?? on September 27, 2011, 10:01:01 am
Edit, I might as well ask here too, anyone interested in selling Skyrim for some stuff from my backpack? (http://www.tf2items.com/id/glight) I have an unusual and a Pocket Medic!
Post by: Enzo on September 30, 2011, 02:34:51 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I bet the scout's "backwards cap" is a scumbag steve hat.
I just realized Backwards Cap is a possible pun on the Back-Cap maneuver. Mind = Blown. Also, aren't we overdue for this update now?
Post by: PTTG?? on September 30, 2011, 10:04:42 am
Post by: Shadowlord on September 30, 2011, 10:29:43 am
Edit: Correction, got the two hats mixed up, since they're both L4D [person]'s hats that I don't care about.
Post by: klingon13524 on September 30, 2011, 12:30:22 pm
I started it yesterday or the day before and it gave me a frying pan and bill's cap. I thought those were only for people who had pre-ordered L4D2 or something.I'll give you an ellis' AND a scrap for that bill's. That's a hat, AND a scrap for just a hat! PM me if you are interested!
Post by: Shadowlord on September 30, 2011, 01:18:22 pm
I don't really care about either one and haven't really played TF2 much at all in a good while.
Post by: Tyler6498 on September 30, 2011, 09:03:39 pm
So, I opened TF2 tonight and had an item notification.Spoiler (click to show/hide)I bet the scout's "backwards cap" is a scumbag steve hat.
I just realized Backwards Cap is a possible pun on the Back-Cap maneuver. Mind = Blown. Also, aren't we overdue for this update now?
I am quite very jelly about your find.
Post by: Strange guy on October 01, 2011, 09:58:02 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 01, 2011, 06:33:53 pm
reserve shooter for pyro and widowmaker buff
Sounds awesome. Finally, an alternative shotgun for the pyro. I know that the regular shotgun is good, but the detonator's long-range capabilities always seem better suited to my play-style. Having a Degreaser as your primary can only increase the butthurt.
Also, the widowmaker totally needed the buff. At least in my opinion. (Mind you I have actually used the weapon...)
Post by: ECrownofFire on October 02, 2011, 09:11:57 pm
Of course, I'm definitely still going to try it out.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 02, 2011, 09:49:26 pm
Reserve Shooter for Pyro plus Degreaser? As if you really needed FASTER weapon switch.
I'm assuming no faster weapon switch on the reserve shooter, just the mini-crits. Valve can't be that stupid, can they?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 02, 2011, 10:01:22 pm
I dunno if I gave my analysis on this change yet, but here it is again if that's the case. The pyro already has two weapons that provide increased damage in specific situations, the Axetinguisher and the Flaregun. One has more raw power while the other one has more range, but both lack flexibility and versatility. The flaregun has great ranged capabilities and can deal a good bit of damage, but is very slow to use and can't deal with more than one threat at a time. The Axetinguisher is pretty much the same, exchanging range for killing your enemy before they realize you are there. Even less capable of dealing with multiple threats because you die so fast at that range.
The Reserve Shooter exchanges both extreme range and raw power for increased versatility. It is much more capable of dealing with a multitude of situations and threats a Pyro has, like scouts kiting like the little bastards they are, or rocket jumping soldiers, or anything they just airblasted. It won't do as much damage as either weapon in their optimal range but deals a decent amount in most ranges, no real weak spots.
The Pyro still has a major weakness to multiple targets with the smaller clip. Airblast can control crowds and help you escape unfortunate situations like that, but you won't have any firepower to deal with any followers.(Do note the irony of the word fire in that sentence)
Post by: PsyberianHusky on October 02, 2011, 11:48:20 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on October 03, 2011, 12:18:26 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 03, 2011, 12:25:26 am
Well what about airblasting and Reserve shooting?My analysis is based around the idea that utilizing the RS is about as easy as utilizing all the other pyro weapons that receive a situational damage buff. It may be a bit trickier, you can only damage them in the second and a half they are in the air from a single airblast as opposed to afterburn duration. Multiple airblasts can make a single opponent stay in the air for like three seconds, but this also makes the pyro very easy to kill.
The faster fire rate when compared to the flaregun does not apply due to the smaller window where the damage bonus applies. You might get an extra shot or two off if you are quick, but at the range you airblast people at the falloff and pellet spread equalizes the damage. Getting in close while your opponent is in the air somehow will deal a good deal more damage than the flaregun crits, but not as much as the axetinguisher.
I really should get the specific numbers, I only remember the general range they follow in comparison to eachother.
Post by: Werdna on October 04, 2011, 04:43:02 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 04, 2011, 05:20:52 pm
If they are buffing the flamethrower (I assume damage), then I'm not quite sure that Degreaser+Axetinguisher is going to outshine Backburner and the option to do something else in the melee slot?
The Flamethrower is (maybe) getting a buff, not the Backburner. The beta is giving the flamethrower the +10% damage bonus that the Backburner already has, rendering their base damages the same and the Backburner unchanged.
It also has the Degreaser with no afterburn penalty and -10% damage. If they do that Degreaser+Axetinguisher is only going to be better, because you'll have full afterburn to take out anyone who escapes your axe blows.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on October 04, 2011, 05:55:21 pm
I am glad pyros are getting looked at.If they are buffing the flamethrower (I assume damage), then I'm not quite sure that Degreaser+Axetinguisher is going to outshine Backburner and the option to do something else in the melee slot?
The Flamethrower is (maybe) getting a buff, not the Backburner. The beta is giving the flamethrower the +10% damage bonus that the Backburner already has, rendering their base damages the same and the Backburner unchanged.
It also has the Degreaser with no afterburn penalty and -10% damage. If they do that Degreaser+Axetinguisher is only going to be better, because you'll have full afterburn to take out anyone who escapes your axe blows.
Post by: Bdthemag on October 04, 2011, 10:12:02 pm
And this is the part where the people who think the Pyro isn't underpowered come in...I am glad pyros are getting looked at.If they are buffing the flamethrower (I assume damage), then I'm not quite sure that Degreaser+Axetinguisher is going to outshine Backburner and the option to do something else in the melee slot?
The Flamethrower is (maybe) getting a buff, not the Backburner. The beta is giving the flamethrower the +10% damage bonus that the Backburner already has, rendering their base damages the same and the Backburner unchanged.
It also has the Degreaser with no afterburn penalty and -10% damage. If they do that Degreaser+Axetinguisher is only going to be better, because you'll have full afterburn to take out anyone who escapes your axe blows.
Post by: Jackrabbit on October 05, 2011, 03:57:46 am
Other than that, I'm a very casual player so I never notice it if the Pyro isn't.
Post by: Strange guy on October 05, 2011, 04:35:51 am
And this is the part where the people who think the Pyro isn't underpowered come in...
Since the backburner keeps the same stats, and the degreaser loses 1% flame damage for a third more afterburn damage you'd have to think the flamethrower isn't underpowered, not just the pyro, to disagree with this.
It's weird how on the SPUF many people talked about how happy they were when the backburner lost it's 10% more damage then the flamethrower, but didn't complain when it was later revealed to be staying the same in terms of damage.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 05, 2011, 09:39:45 am
I don't know about you, but with a shield charge or some other special ability, the Pyro would be scary.
EDIT: I take that back, if you had a shield charge, you'd be scary too.
Post by: Cecilff2 on October 05, 2011, 09:46:54 am
Why is the demo such a melee-favored class by the devs? The pyro is the real close-in fighter. Outside of medieval mode, he's the one most likely to get melee kills.
I don't know about you, but with a shield charge or some other special ability, the Pyro would be scary.
Or if the airblast could be used as a rocket jump technique.(That isn't dependant on actual rockets)
Post by: Myroc on October 05, 2011, 10:13:15 am
I absolutely refuse to call that two-inch nudge a flare jump.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 05, 2011, 05:11:05 pm
The detonator was apparently never made to grant a junp, so they nerfed it outside of beta. Really, Pyro just need a class-based movement buff and not anything from an unlock. At this point I would be okay with all the flamethrowers losing 10-15% damage so long as the Pyro got a small airblast jump at the cost of extra ammo.
Post by: MrWiggles on October 05, 2011, 05:35:16 pm
Why is the demo such a melee-favored class by the devs? The pyro is the real close-in fighter. Outside of medieval mode, he's the one most likely to get melee kills.
I don't know about you, but with a shield charge or some other special ability, the Pyro would be scary.
EDIT: I take that back, if you had a shield charge, you'd be scary too.
I wouldnt be in favor of seeing the Pyro with a melle weapon, something liken to a DemoKnight. The Pyro is a close in fighter, but he's also an area affect fighter. That area affect is where a good part of the pyro strength comes in. Ambush, and light all the fuckers on fire.
Post by: The Scout on October 05, 2011, 06:55:01 pm
Demoknight is scary. Imagine a soldier with the Targe. Rocket jump, targe in mid air, then insta-kill you with their katana. Or Heavy...Why is the demo such a melee-favored class by the devs? The pyro is the real close-in fighter. Outside of medieval mode, he's the one most likely to get melee kills.
I don't know about you, but with a shield charge or some other special ability, the Pyro would be scary.
EDIT: I take that back, if you had a shield charge, you'd be scary too.
I wouldnt be in favor of seeing the Pyro with a melle weapon, something liken to a DemoKnight. The Pyro is a close in fighter, but he's also an area affect fighter. That area affect is where a good part of the pyro strength comes in. Ambush, and light all the fuckers on fire.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 05, 2011, 07:25:49 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on October 05, 2011, 07:42:56 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on October 05, 2011, 08:18:22 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 05, 2011, 08:23:40 pm
It's suprisingly tricky to get right. However, if you have a persian persuader it works perfectly, as the secondary stickyjumper ammo is very large and can jump you as many times as you need before you die. Even just 16 grenades is plenty to use, as long as you don't spam and actually aim for most of your life.
I've been trying out this loadout for a while and it is awesome. Stickyjump -> Grenade spam from overhead -> Land behind them -> Decapitations. That maneuver will never stop being cool. Also, enough Stickies will basically teleport you across the map so you can ambush from behind. Not really as deadly as the vanilla loadout, but super fun.
Post by: HailFire on October 12, 2011, 04:40:20 pm
I wouldnt be in favor of seeing the Pyro with a melle weapon, something liken to a DemoKnight. The Pyro is a close in fighter, but he's also an area affect fighter. That area affect is where a good part of the pyro strength comes in. Ambush, and light all the fuckers on fire.
Just so you know, the Sharpened Volcano Fragment makes Pyros beastly in Medieval Mode.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 12, 2011, 05:16:42 pm
Ultimate teamwork.
Post by: Repulsion on October 12, 2011, 05:21:05 pm
One Pyro with the volcano fragment, one pyro with the axetinguisher.And a Scout with the sun-on-a-stick.
Ultimate teamwork.
Ultimate-r teamwork.
Post by: HailFire on October 12, 2011, 05:22:10 pm
One Pyro with the volcano fragment, one pyro with the axetinguisher.
Ultimate teamwork.
Exactly.
And even if they don't have very many good weapons for medieval mode, they're still faster and have more health than the average demoknight- you've just got to watch out for charges and their slightly better reach (plus, you take a lot less damage from fire arrows).
Fakeedit: How many people do you need to kill a guy? :P
Post by: Dsarker on October 12, 2011, 07:52:10 pm
One Pyro with the volcano fragment, one pyro with the axetinguisher.
Ultimate teamwork.
Exactly.
And even if they don't have very many good weapons for medieval mode, they're still faster and have more health than the average demoknight- you've just got to watch out for charges and their slightly better reach (plus, you take a lot less damage from fire arrows).
Fakeedit: How many people do you need to kill a guy? :P
People get auto ubers if you don't have at least three guys attacking him!
Hmmm....ubers on medieval mode....
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 12, 2011, 09:19:40 pm
Spies are the only cure right now, and a good engie can hold the position indefinitely.
I sort of feel proud because I helped spread the strategy, sort of feel angry because I helped spread the strategy.
Post by: umiman on October 12, 2011, 09:20:50 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on October 12, 2011, 09:38:59 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 12, 2011, 09:52:11 pm
The best plan I can think of is multiple soldiers/dempos hitting the sniper deck and hole in the ceiling of the main entrance at the same time. Clear out the spawn room and head down the spiral path.
Post by: Enzo on October 12, 2011, 09:52:34 pm
The courtyard sentries are easier to destroy or get around (you can even take the other route to the basement) than one in the corner of the intel room. Two sentries, in opposite corners, and two attentive Engies and you've got the defense locked down.
Unrelated: I decided to craft a bunch of stuff the other day. I got a Towering Pillar of Hats, the Made Man (Misc. Rose for Spy), and the Purity Fist (Misc Robot Arm for Heavy). I have all the luck. All of it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 12, 2011, 09:56:27 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on October 12, 2011, 09:59:18 pm
The intel room can be simple due to the lack of space and simple geometry. Get an uber demo in there and nothing is leading alive. The courtyard is much more difficult to mess with.
The courtyard, with a well placed sentry, that covers the entrance from the sniper platform, and the courtyard with a an attentive engy, is hardish.
If there one sentry, its not terribly difficult to attack the sentry, where it wont attack you. The engy can repair the sentry, to a point, but he needs support to hold off, a medic team. Medic+pyro, medic+heavy, will wear down the engy ability to repair.
Doubly so, if the engy uses the dispenser as a block for the spawn room stairs down to intel.
Post by: Thexor on October 12, 2011, 10:05:34 pm
You have to go through the entire team (likely including several Sentries) to reach the intel.
By the time you grab the intel, their entire team has respawned (even if you're not playing on an instant respawn map - which most 2fort servers are!). And the only way out is right past their spawn.
In other words, you basically have to kill the entire enemy team twice to make a capture. And both times, you have to break through narrow, defensible chokepoints (either at the top of the spiral staircase (which is literally right in front of their spawn), or at the courtyard stairway). Yeah, no; at least Turbine gives you a chance. :P
Post by: Flying Carcass on October 12, 2011, 10:09:16 pm
Edit: Oh yeah, and no one go medic. Its a useless class in 2fort.
:P
Post by: Thexor on October 12, 2011, 10:16:30 pm
How to win at 2Fort: Half the team needs to go sniper and line the balcony, sniping off the enemy snipers who have done the same. Meanwhile, the non-snipers need to stream into the enemy base one-at-a-time. Once a steady stream of sacrifices to the level 3 sentry is established, ? ? ?, thus winning the match.
Edit: Oh yeah, and no one go medic. Its a useless class in 2fort.
:P
A strategy taken to heart by 90% of all 2fort players. :P
When the remaining 10% captures the flag, the 90% celebrate as though they were responsible; when the remaining 10% is brutally out-numbered and mowed down by sentries, the 90% criticize them for 'being bad' and dying. ::)
Post by: MrWiggles on October 12, 2011, 11:24:40 pm
Turbine's worse than 2fort in my mind. The absolute campfests set up on Turbine become unbelievably frustrating.
I havent experience a lot of camping on Turbine.
Anyone else playing cp_orange?
I remember that map from a few years ago, and I really liked it a lot. But the modern ones, have lower gravity, and the rtd mods, which I find distracting. Though, its an excellent sniper map. A good sniper is god on that map.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on October 13, 2011, 05:20:36 am
I think much of it is sentry spam in the intel room The tight hallways are easy to keep locked down so it often takes a well planned uber to push.Turbine's worse than 2fort in my mind. The absolute campfests set up on Turbine become unbelievably frustrating.
I havent experience a lot of camping on Turbine.
Anyone else playing cp_orange?
I remember that map from a few years ago, and I really liked it a lot. But the modern ones, have lower gravity, and the rtd mods, which I find distracting. Though, its an excellent sniper map. A good sniper is god on that map.
Post by: MrWiggles on October 13, 2011, 05:43:14 am
I think much of it is sentry spam in the intel room The tight hallways are easy to keep locked down so it often takes a well planned uber to push.Turbine's worse than 2fort in my mind. The absolute campfests set up on Turbine become unbelievably frustrating.
I havent experience a lot of camping on Turbine.
Anyone else playing cp_orange?
I remember that map from a few years ago, and I really liked it a lot. But the modern ones, have lower gravity, and the rtd mods, which I find distracting. Though, its an excellent sniper map. A good sniper is god on that map.
That, I have experience, but that seems to be par for the course on CTF maps. Beside, its insurmountable. It is called /TEAM/ Fortress. Even though most game, its functional anarchy.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on October 13, 2011, 06:29:21 am
If the alt path wasn't though the spawn it would be a lot better.I think much of it is sentry spam in the intel room The tight hallways are easy to keep locked down so it often takes a well planned uber to push.Turbine's worse than 2fort in my mind. The absolute campfests set up on Turbine become unbelievably frustrating.
I havent experience a lot of camping on Turbine.
Anyone else playing cp_orange?
I remember that map from a few years ago, and I really liked it a lot. But the modern ones, have lower gravity, and the rtd mods, which I find distracting. Though, its an excellent sniper map. A good sniper is god on that map.
That, I have experience, but that seems to be par for the course on CTF maps. Beside, its insurmountable. It is called /TEAM/ Fortress. Even though most game, its functional anarchy.
Post by: Cecilff2 on October 13, 2011, 09:03:42 am
The courtyard, with a well placed sentry, that covers the entrance from the sniper platform, and the courtyard with a an attentive engy, is hardish.
If there one sentry, its not terribly difficult to attack the sentry, where it wont attack you. The engy can repair the sentry, to a point, but he needs support to hold off, a medic team. Medic+pyro, medic+heavy, will wear down the engy ability to repair.
Doubly so, if the engy uses the dispenser as a block for the spawn room stairs down to intel.
The engy shouldn't be repairing unless there's a decent sized team attacking and he has support. He should be attacking.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 13, 2011, 09:58:07 am
Post by: mr. macduggan on October 13, 2011, 04:50:58 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 13, 2011, 04:55:37 pm
The engy shouldn't be repairing unless there's a decent sized team attacking and he has support. He should be attacking.It's a hard situation to deal with. If you die in the attack your sentry is open game for various classes edging it. Your sentry doesn't really have that much health and a close-range heavy can tank the DPS and dish it out better than the sentry unless an engineer prolongs its life for another second. And you never know if a medium-sized team is about to round a corner, wipe you away and take down your sentry no problem.
If you see somebiody edging it from a corner then go for it, but actively attacking is not such a hot idea. BLU engineers need to keep the forward teleporter working and RED need to keep the area denied. Both strive for survivability and maintaining good support for your team to provide good support for you.
Post by: Karnewarrior on October 13, 2011, 05:00:40 pm
Great, now if we could get the players to understand that...The engy shouldn't be repairing unless there's a decent sized team attacking and he has support. He should be attacking.It's a hard situation to deal with. If you die in the attack your sentry is open game for various classes edging it. Your sentry doesn't really have that much health and a close-range heavy can tank the DPS and dish it out better than the sentry unless an engineer prolongs its life for another second. And you never know if a medium-sized team is about to round a corner, wipe you away and take down your sentry no problem.
If you see somebiody edging it from a corner then go for it, but actively attacking is not such a hot idea. BLU engineers need to keep the forward teleporter working and RED need to keep the area denied. Both strive for survivability and maintaining good support for your team to provide good support for you.
Post by: Metalax on October 13, 2011, 06:33:10 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/manniversary/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/manniversary/)
Post by: HailFire on October 13, 2011, 06:50:58 pm
fuckin' lag spikes
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 13, 2011, 06:54:39 pm
Welp, TF2 just crashed on me for the first time ever when I was trying out a gullywash serverYeah, it's crashing a lot for me too.
fuckin' lag spikes
Every five minutes, flip a coin. If heads, massive lag spike for ten seconds. If tails, crash.
Post by: Metalax on October 13, 2011, 07:05:54 pm
Edit: and my first run on the new map laggs out then crashes within 2 minutes. :(
Post by: Repulsion on October 13, 2011, 09:23:37 pm
KOTH with multiple points?
Post by: Metalax on October 13, 2011, 09:30:06 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on October 13, 2011, 10:08:51 pm
What is territorial control even about?Territorial Control is a bunch of two-cp 'sections' inside of a larger map. Depending on what point is capped when, the routes available change. Hydro has 6 'territories,' two of those being RED and BLU bases. When either team only has their 'base' territory left, they are forced to defend their last point and cannot cap the other team's.
KOTH with multiple points?
Post by: HailFire on October 13, 2011, 11:06:09 pm
Second update just out, supposedly fixed some of the crash/lag bugs from the earlier update.
Didn't fix it hard enough.
Post by: NobodyPro on October 14, 2011, 01:42:22 am
Post by: Enzo on October 14, 2011, 02:40:13 am
Hopefully the crashes are ironed out quickly.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 14, 2011, 02:19:24 pm
So, if you're trading, it's worthwhile to check the store prices now; if you can get it for $8, then you shouldn't need to spend 15 refined on it.
Post by: HailFire on October 14, 2011, 02:23:16 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 14, 2011, 02:27:33 pm
It was reverted because Valve didn't realize you could buy a bunch of hats, craft them and make a profit on the current market prices for various hats.Quote from: UpdateAll items purchased in the store can be used for crafting and can be traded after a few days
I NEED A STICKY JUMPER NOW. :o
And people already bought a ton of stuff to do just that before the reversion. Like, people bitching after dumping $10 on ten batters hems or something.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 14, 2011, 11:59:29 pm
Now, to get the properly gore-spattered.
Post by: Metalax on October 15, 2011, 07:50:18 am
Post by: Bdthemag on October 16, 2011, 02:41:59 am
Post by: klingon13524 on October 16, 2011, 03:38:24 am
I got me some strange fists! Cost me the most well-spent refined I've ever spent.Try a trade server. Or maybe a melee only one. Or a melee only trade server.
Now, to get the properly gore-spattered.
Post by: Enzo on October 16, 2011, 03:52:47 am
Try a trade server.
But then you'd have to live with yourself knowing you're a phony. My Wicked Nasty Kunai is all legit, thanks.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on October 16, 2011, 04:04:03 am
Try a trade server.
But then you'd have to live with yourself knowing you're a phony. My Wicked Nasty Kunai is all legit, thanks.
What he said. My Pain Train didn't get Face Melting by attackin' vegetables.
Post by: dragonshardz on October 16, 2011, 01:54:08 pm
EDIT: So I had an idea for a new Heavy set.
The Tesla Pack - the main weapon would be Tesla's Traveling Turret. It'd look, in first person view, similar to four Tomislav barrels arranged around the crosshair, kinda like the gun on an X-Wing. It'd look to other players like Heavy has two big laser guns mounted on his shoulders and two at roughly the same level as the normal guns. When not firing, the gun would be pointed up at an angle and Heavy would move at 90% normal speed, cuz it'd be big and heavy. When firing or deploying (right-click), Heavy would move at about 50% speed. The bullets would be crackling with energy, and a crit would have the same effect as the steampunk guns Soldier uses. The Secondary would be Tesla's ThunderStick - basically, a shotgun that shoots a could of electrically-charged steel pellets. Melee would be a retexture of the Fists of Steel, with the addition of some electrical FX and damage. The hat would be a single Tesla coil perched atop Heavy's head, and naturally, everything else would have Tesla coils on it too. The set bonus would remove the speed restrictions from the Traveling Turret.
Thoughts? I'd like to make this for the Steam Workshop at some point.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on October 16, 2011, 10:30:32 pm
Does anyone want crates? I have lots of crates.
EDIT: So I had an idea for a new Heavy set.
The Tesla Pack - the main weapon would be Tesla's Traveling Turret. It'd look, in first person view, similar to four Tomislav barrels arranged around the crosshair, kinda like the gun on an X-Wing. It'd look to other players like Heavy has two big laser guns mounted on his shoulders and two at roughly the same level as the normal guns. When not firing, the gun would be pointed up at an angle and Heavy would move at 90% normal speed, cuz it'd be big and heavy. When firing or deploying (right-click), Heavy would move at about 50% speed. The bullets would be crackling with energy, and a crit would have the same effect as the steampunk guns Soldier uses. The Secondary would be Tesla's ThunderStick - basically, a shotgun that shoots a could of electrically-charged steel pellets. Melee would be a retexture of the Fists of Steel, with the addition of some electrical FX and damage. The hat would be a single Tesla coil perched atop Heavy's head, and naturally, everything else would have Tesla coils on it too. The set bonus would remove the speed restrictions from the Traveling Turret.
Thoughts? I'd like to make this for the Steam Workshop at some point.
Sounds pretty weird speed wise, unless you meant 50% of the existing spin up speed. Maybe make him stationary when shooting?
Post by: ECrownofFire on October 16, 2011, 10:33:01 pm
Post by: PsyberianHusky on October 16, 2011, 10:59:36 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on October 16, 2011, 11:02:30 pm
Post by: Tyler6498 on October 16, 2011, 11:17:30 pm
I no longer have to choose! Noh Mercy is a misc item now!
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/595825477978980999/FFF2A7BF0BA25B706747D8F5A238E28A5DE12435/
Post by: dragonshardz on October 17, 2011, 12:23:07 am
Does anyone want crates? I have lots of crates.
EDIT: So I had an idea for a new Heavy set.
The Tesla Pack - the main weapon would be Tesla's Traveling Turret. It'd look, in first person view, similar to four Tomislav barrels arranged around the crosshair, kinda like the gun on an X-Wing. It'd look to other players like Heavy has two big laser guns mounted on his shoulders and two at roughly the same level as the normal guns. When not firing, the gun would be pointed up at an angle and Heavy would move at 90% normal speed, cuz it'd be big and heavy. When firing or deploying (right-click), Heavy would move at about 50% speed. The bullets would be crackling with energy, and a crit would have the same effect as the steampunk guns Soldier uses. The Secondary would be Tesla's ThunderStick - basically, a shotgun that shoots a could of electrically-charged steel pellets. Melee would be a retexture of the Fists of Steel, with the addition of some electrical FX and damage. The hat would be a single Tesla coil perched atop Heavy's head, and naturally, everything else would have Tesla coils on it too. The set bonus would remove the speed restrictions from the Traveling Turret.
Thoughts? I'd like to make this for the Steam Workshop at some point.
Sounds pretty weird speed wise, unless you meant 50% of the existing spin up speed. Maybe make him stationary when shooting?
Nah, I mean that when Heavy is firing, he can only move at 50% of his usual speed. As in, it takes him twice as long to cover ten units when shooting than it does when he's not. I'm poking at making him stationary when shooting. It'd have to be balanced - I think insanely high damage output or an effect similar to burning, but with electricity, would be a fair tradeoff for being made stationary when shooting.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on October 17, 2011, 12:38:31 am
Post by: dragonshardz on October 17, 2011, 12:46:25 am
100% Speed for Heavy = Speed when he is walking around with the stock Minigun, not shooting.
90% Speed = Heavy walking around wearing the Traveling Turret, not shooting, whether or not it's the active weapon.
So, okay, I see what you're getting at. Maybe something more like 30% of that 90%? So, for example, if he moves 10 units/sec just carrying the stock Minigun, then he'd move at 9 units/sec carrying the Traveling Turret, and he'd move at 2.7 units/sec when shooting the traveling turret, which is a good bit slower than 4.8 units/sec when shooting the stock Minigun.
Post by: Thexor on October 17, 2011, 01:52:19 am
It's a neat idea for a Brass Beast reskin, but I'd suggest you change it up a little bit if you want it to be a unique weapon.
(Also, while I'm wiki-diving: movement speed. (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Speed#Speed) The standard minigun lets you move at 37% forward speed when revved. Compared to the Heavy's default movement speed of 77%, that's ~48% of normal speed, as Osmosis said. The Brass Beast slows you to 14.67% movement speed, bringing you to ~20% normal movement speed. Your suggestion is for movement at 27% normal speed, right between the Beast and the standard gun.)
Post by: Dsarker on October 17, 2011, 02:45:35 am
Mmm, the thing is, the Brass Beast (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Brass_beast) already deals increased damage in exchange for slower movement speed. You're changing it slightly (a small movement penalty when not revved up), but for the most part it's very similar - higher damage in exchange for slower movement speed.
It's a neat idea for a Brass Beast reskin, but I'd suggest you change it up a little bit if you want it to be a unique weapon.
(Also, while I'm wiki-diving: movement speed. (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Speed#Speed) The standard minigun lets you move at 37% forward speed when revved. Compared to the Heavy's default movement speed of 77%, that's ~48% of normal speed, as Osmosis said. The Brass Beast slows you to 14.67% movement speed, bringing you to ~20% normal movement speed. Your suggestion is for movement at 27% normal speed, right between the Beast and the standard gun.)
Okay. Lower damage (maybe), remove crits, have it have a small stun on engy buildings, infinite ammo but lower lots of ammo (so maybe 50 shots instead of 200, say?), and a reload.
Or you could have it have infinite ammo, but they take a load period and can't move while loading or firing, and once you move you have to load again. What do you think?
Post by: ECrownofFire on October 17, 2011, 02:48:01 am
Oh, and one that he can rev up and stay at a higher speed.
Post by: Dsarker on October 17, 2011, 03:07:00 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on October 17, 2011, 03:22:37 am
I'm liking the cross between righteous bison and brass, here's my idea;
You get unlimited ammo, a small chain lightening effect (anyone within say a sticky splash of the person in the beam gets 15% of the damage too) and the ability to shut down sentries while locked onto them.
The downside is a slower movement speed, longer spin up, (or stationary when firing but normal spin up), and your shot is an extremely high visibility team coloured lighting arc. If you really want to have fun, make it so that you don't get natural crits, but can chain heavies; one tesla cannon shoots a another tesla heavy (friend OR foe maybe?) and the 2nd heavy shoots at 175% damage, a 3rd at 250%, maybe up to a max of 4 (325%).
Post by: dragonshardz on October 17, 2011, 03:53:33 am
Unlimited ammo (via natural ammo regen), small team-colored chain lightning effect/splash, sentry shutdown ability when locked (maybe make the shotgun a targeting array of some sort?), EXTREMELY slow movement speed (perhaps make it so you can deploy/undeploy the weapon by switching to melee - you can move faster, but you sacrifice the ability to shoot immediately), normal spin-up (charge) time, stationary when firing, shot is supa-high visibility team-color lightning bolt effect.
What would be most fun with crits, IMO: Crits vs. non-heavy classes have a chance to disintegrate; crits vs. heavies boost that heavies damage output by 175%/250%/325%, max "chain" length is 4, affects friend or foe.
So basically, when you got the drop, you'd actually get a free-to-open crate, which would give you Tesla's Traveling Turret, Tesla Targeting Array, and Tesla Quick-Transport Tool - main, secondary, and melee slots, respectively.
Okay, I need to get working on this like, now.
TF2-style list of +/-:
TESLA'S TRAVELING TURRET
Unlimited ammo
Crits have x% chance to disintegrate vs. Non-Heavy
Crits give proportional boost to damage output of targeted Heavy
15% Splash Damage
20-second stun vs. Buildables
Speed reduced to 20% when deployed*
Cannot move when firing
*IE, you move as fast as a Heavy spinning the Brass Beast when NOT firing.
Post by: ECrownofFire on October 17, 2011, 04:47:18 am
And the disintegrate/damage output thing to anybody that doesn't have the traveling turret (including other heavies).
Ooh, this thing gave me an idea for a heavy thing too...
Post by: Dsarker on October 17, 2011, 04:56:35 am
And it's very slow when not deployed.
Post by: MrWiggles on October 17, 2011, 06:11:15 am
We have the medic buddy concept. Lets make an Engy Buddy concept.
Engy can heal up to normal health, no overheal, engy can replinish ammo. Immune to head shots. Backstabs still happen. Dispensers can give ammo, but cant heal.
When revved up, can move around.
Post by: Tyler6498 on October 17, 2011, 07:33:04 am
Also, you can now trade things for things in the store! Remember; one refined metal is worth US$1.33. Or maybe it's 1&1/3 refined metal is one dollar...
So, if you're trading, it's worthwhile to check the store prices now; if you can get it for $8, then you shouldn't need to spend 15 refined on it.
Do you mean trade our items to get items in the store? If so, how? I've been looking around for how and I'm starting to think I misinterpreted this message.
Post by: Metalax on October 17, 2011, 08:34:44 am
Also, you can now trade things for things in the store! Remember; one refined metal is worth US$1.33. Or maybe it's 1&1/3 refined metal is one dollar...
So, if you're trading, it's worthwhile to check the store prices now; if you can get it for $8, then you shouldn't need to spend 15 refined on it.
Do you mean trade our items to get items in the store? If so, how? I've been looking around for how and I'm starting to think I misinterpreted this message.
Previously items bought from the store have been untradeable so the actual price in the store has not necessarily been the equivalent price that people have been trading for it. 1 refined metal has held fairly steady at around an equivalent of $0.80, so look at what the item is costing in the store, work out how many refined metal that is equivelent to and don't trade with people who are asking for much more than that.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 17, 2011, 11:57:47 am
Also, you can now trade things for things in the store! Remember; one refined metal is worth US$1.33. Or maybe it's 1&1/3 refined metal is one dollar...
So, if you're trading, it's worthwhile to check the store prices now; if you can get it for $8, then you shouldn't need to spend 15 refined on it.
Do you mean trade our items to get items in the store? If so, how? I've been looking around for how and I'm starting to think I misinterpreted this message.
Valve reverted that, so, no, you can't.
Post by: dragonshardz on October 17, 2011, 12:51:01 pm
I'd slap down a speed penalty when not deployed, some kind of reloading thing, and the stun needs to be way shorter too.
And the disintegrate/damage output thing to anybody that doesn't have the traveling turret (including other heavies).
Ooh, this thing gave me an idea for a heavy thing too...
All good ideas, except the speed penalty. You're already moving at the same speed as a Brass Beast Heavy who is spinning his minigun when you're not firing. The deploy/undeploy mechanic is a tradeoff - you can run around deployed all the time and be slow, or deploy, shoot, and undeploy, but that takes time - thus, you sacrifice mobility for firepower and vice versa.
I dont think you're going far enough with the Turret idea.
We have the medic buddy concept. Lets make an Engy Buddy concept.
Engy can heal up to normal health, no overheal, engy can replinish ammo. Immune to head shots. Backstabs still happen. Dispensers can give ammo, but cant heal.
When revved up, can move around.
The Traveling Turret idea is a sort of Engy Buddy thing. But the entire point is that when revved up or shooting, you CAN'T move. You can turn in place, but forward motion = no. The only part I have a problem with is dispensers not healing. But at this point, I think that adding any additional bonuses will make the weapon unbalanced. As it is, the balance is pretty damn precarious as-is, even with the mobility-firepower tradeoff.
TESLA'S TRAVELING TURRET
Unlimited ammo
Crits have 15% chance of disintegrating anyone not wearing this weapon
Crits give proportional, chainable damage output boost to players wearing this weapon.
15% Splash Damage
10-second stun vs. Buildables
Speed reduced to 20% when deployed*
Cannot move when firing
Must wait for ammo to fully regenerate from 0
*IE, you move as fast as a Heavy spinning the Brass Beast when NOT firing.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 17, 2011, 02:17:15 pm
Post by: Tyler6498 on October 18, 2011, 05:43:44 pm
So I was looking at the demoman's wiki page and noticed that his motto was changed to "watermelon is sho good"
=/ Usually I only see these childish changes on wikipedia.
EDIT: Almost passed this change "Niglet DeGroot" *Rolls eyes*
Post by: Dsarker on October 18, 2011, 05:47:41 pm
It should be something like "Waetermelon is tae good stuff, ye ken!". He's a scotsman.
Post by: umiman on October 18, 2011, 05:49:28 pm
Quote
A Nigger-swilling, monster-bothering Nigger expert from the Scottish highlands, the Nigger (real name Tavish DeGroot) is one of the more versatile members of the team. Though his weapons lack pinpoint long-range accuracy, the Nigger is a powerful, if unpredictable, asset and can hold his own in just about any situation. He is a master of the explosive, excelling at indirect mid-range combat. Armed with his Grenade launcher and Sticky bombs, the Nigger uses his only good eye and knowledge of the surrounding environment for well timed detonations that send enemies skyward, often in several pieces. The Nigger, as his name implies, eating watermelons, bouncing his balls around corners to wreak havoc on enemy sentry gun emplacements while remaining safely out of sight. His sticky cum are a perfect tool for area denial, keeping opponents away from any carts, control points and intelligence cases he deems off-limits. His weapons are some of the most powerful, but also the most situational. He requires more thought and swift decision-making than other classes, especially when lining up his Charges and planting sticky cum. Recent updates to the Nigger have upgraded his role to being a melee specialist, capable of wielding a variety of melee weapons compared to every other class in-game.
Post by: Tyler6498 on October 18, 2011, 05:51:03 pm
Oh? This is what greeted me when I went to the wiki:I bet he's hit other pages, looked up history and found the guy doing it was on a bunch of other pages too.QuoteA Nigger-swilling, monster-bothering Nigger expert from the Scottish highlands, the Nigger (real name Tavish DeGroot) is one of the more versatile members of the team. Though his weapons lack pinpoint long-range accuracy, the Nigger is a powerful, if unpredictable, asset and can hold his own in just about any situation. He is a master of the explosive, excelling at indirect mid-range combat. Armed with his Grenade launcher and Sticky bombs, the Nigger uses his only good eye and knowledge of the surrounding environment for well timed detonations that send enemies skyward, often in several pieces. The Nigger, as his name implies, eating watermelons, bouncing his balls around corners to wreak havoc on enemy sentry gun emplacements while remaining safely out of sight. His sticky cum are a perfect tool for area denial, keeping opponents away from any carts, control points and intelligence cases he deems off-limits. His weapons are some of the most powerful, but also the most situational. He requires more thought and swift decision-making than other classes, especially when lining up his Charges and planting sticky cum. Recent updates to the Nigger have upgraded his role to being a melee specialist, capable of wielding a variety of melee weapons compared to every other class in-game.
Post by: Dsarker on October 18, 2011, 06:10:19 pm
Post by: BurnedToast on October 19, 2011, 04:34:26 pm
http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Demoman
So I was looking at the demoman's wiki page and noticed that his motto was changed to "watermelon is sho good"
=/ Usually I only see these childish changes on wikipedia.
EDIT: Almost passed this change "Niglet DeGroot" *Rolls eyes*
That's because tf2wiki is absolute garbage and should never, ever be visited by anyone. Go to the official wiki at http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Main_Page
Yes tf2wiki comes first on google, that's because it used to be good (and used to be the only wiki). The owner sold it right before the official wiki came out and now it's just crap that only exists to exploit it's search rank for ad revenue (and for people to deface).
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 24, 2011, 07:57:46 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 24, 2011, 08:15:58 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on October 24, 2011, 11:35:29 pm
Can't help but feel I didn't exactly prove myself.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 24, 2011, 11:50:10 pm
Welp.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 25, 2011, 12:21:32 am
Post by: 3 on October 25, 2011, 12:27:35 am
Post by: Dsarker on October 25, 2011, 12:48:00 am
Post by: PTTG?? on October 25, 2011, 01:56:11 am
So what can you do with it? Weapon? Hat?
One or the other. You do a crafting recipe with that and a pile of refined metal and get one of two hats, OR you can use the metal and an axe to make a more different axe.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 25, 2011, 02:28:19 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on October 25, 2011, 03:55:11 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 25, 2011, 02:58:23 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on October 25, 2011, 03:18:12 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on October 25, 2011, 03:32:28 pm
Post by: HLBeta on October 25, 2011, 04:37:16 pm
In that, compared to the hats, it actually does something.While this is true, I don't use my Eyelander even on medieval mode. I think I'd rather have a Juju if I could get it.
Post by: Jackrabbit on October 26, 2011, 01:02:25 am
Post by: PTTG?? on October 26, 2011, 01:07:43 am
I've got everything in here (http://www.tf2items.com/id/glight), plus $50 worth of steam games.
Items of note: Pocket Medic, Several Hats, several stranges, ten refined, the High-five taunt, piles of vintages, and really anything else you like.
The steam games are Mirrors Edge, Cogs, Lead And Gold, and Audiosurf.
I've been trying to make a trade for weeks now and I'm getting no takers. Take a look at my inventory and make any offer. I'd rather keep the items on Page 6, but everything else is open. The pocket medic and hats are assumed, and there's some stranges worth at least a ref each.
Post by: dragonshardz on October 26, 2011, 12:04:56 pm
Anyone interested in some high-value trading? I'm trying to get Skyrim for steam items and games.
I've got everything in here (http://www.tf2items.com/id/glight), plus $50 worth of steam games.
Items of note: Pocket Medic, Several Hats, several stranges, ten refined, the High-five taunt, piles of vintages, and really anything else you like.
The steam games are Mirrors Edge, Cogs, Lead And Gold, and Audiosurf.
I've been trying to make a trade for weeks now and I'm getting no takers. Take a look at my inventory and make any offer. I'd rather keep the items on Page 6, but everything else is open. The pocket medic and hats are assumed, and there's some stranges worth at least a ref each.
So I suppose you're the last person to want my dupes?
Post by: Dsarker on October 27, 2011, 01:46:45 am
Should I make a hat or an axe?
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 27, 2011, 11:29:21 am
Got my haunted.
Should I make a hat or an axe?
The hats are... hats. They don't do anything.
The axe is basically a reskinned eyelander.
Honestly, it all boils down to whether or not you like the designs or not. If you like how the hats look like, then make (one of) them. If you like how the axe looks, then make it. If you hate the look of both of them, then flip a coin or something.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 27, 2011, 02:09:36 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on October 27, 2011, 02:18:41 pm
Or make an untradable hat and buy gift wrap to sell it if you don't care about it. :V
Post by: Shadowlord on October 27, 2011, 03:23:10 pm
Post by: PsyberianHusky on October 27, 2011, 07:15:56 pm
Why is the soldier the best character ever?
Post by: Enzo on October 27, 2011, 07:27:39 pm
So...Demomans possessed eye this Halloween update? Or something?
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 27, 2011, 07:37:48 pm
Also: I can't wait to fight giant magical eye monsters. It shall be glorious.
EDIT: Derp. Just realized that the character from the previous update (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=6588) is the pyro with awesome wings/devil horns.
Post by: The Scout on October 27, 2011, 07:52:32 pm
Post by: HailFire on October 27, 2011, 07:58:33 pm
Also, there's no lightning in this issue. We've been short-changed here!
Lightning shot out of the magician's staff when the Soldier broke it.
ED: Hundreds of posts in the update blog post Steam thread with people saying it's the EoC/Terraria didn't invent flying eyeballs.
There's no way of knowing until the update hits.
Post by: Bdthemag on October 27, 2011, 08:10:04 pm
I don't even play the Soldier that often, but his character is hilarious.
Post by: HailFire on October 27, 2011, 08:23:18 pm
Edit (http://www.teamfortress.com/veryscaryhalloween/)
Post by: Enzo on October 27, 2011, 08:37:49 pm
Can't wait to see what the costumes are.
Post by: Metalax on October 27, 2011, 09:02:12 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on October 27, 2011, 09:04:34 pm
Post by: Metalax on October 27, 2011, 09:06:35 pm
Edit: Downloaded and.. oh god missiles everywhere!
Post by: Shadowlord on October 27, 2011, 09:37:21 pm
I still have to wonder why it pauses itself for no reason, though it was doing far worse before I updated to the beta client and restarted it ("This game is currently unavailable. Please try again at another time.").
Post by: Metalax on October 27, 2011, 10:03:13 pm
Post by: HLBeta on October 27, 2011, 11:22:00 pm
Post by: PsyberianHusky on October 27, 2011, 11:33:02 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on October 27, 2011, 11:38:53 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 27, 2011, 11:41:29 pm
Could we password-lock the server for awhile? I'm annoyed by the steady stream of non-english speaking pubbies who start blasting away as we try to pile into the reward portal. I want to farm costumes, dammit.
The Loot Island Portal only gives you the Bombinomicon, costumes come from the presents, right? I made it to the reward skull thing 3 times and only got the book.
Post by: Metalax on October 27, 2011, 11:42:56 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on October 27, 2011, 11:49:56 pm
I'd support a password lock except for the likelihood that afterwards there wouldn't be enough people on for the gifts or eyethulu to spawn. :V
More useful might be a script that arranged to make sure that the gifts were given out fairly somehow by having a queue. Of course, they spawn pretty frequently and freezing everyone every 5 minutes for 2 minutes while the designated player runs around looking for the gift would be a bit un-fun, especially with the boss out killing people. I suppose if people want that they can go find a server that has it.
This map is a lot smaller than the previous halloween map, much less area to search - but many more players in the same area, you tend to get killed quickly if you try searching for the gift.
Post by: HLBeta on October 28, 2011, 12:03:28 am
More useful might be a script that arranged to make sure that the gifts were given out fairly somehow by having a queue. Of course, they spawn pretty frequently and freezing everyone every 5 minutes for 2 minutes while the designated player runs around looking for the gift would be a bit un-fun, especially with the boss out killing people. I suppose if people want that they can go find a server that has it.I'd appreciate it if people were willing to share the addresses of some of these servers. My luck is to consistently awful for me to get anything otherwise.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 28, 2011, 12:05:10 am
Post by: Metalax on October 28, 2011, 12:15:24 am
Post by: dragonshardz on October 28, 2011, 12:23:13 am
Keep track of who's gotten a present and who hasn't - when someone finds a present, have him call out where it is. If someone wants it, they call it and grab it.
We're all mature gentlemen (and ladies too), right?
Post by: PTTG?? on October 28, 2011, 12:25:55 am
Post by: dragonshardz on October 28, 2011, 12:31:51 am
I really wasn't expecting this. Have to say, love these comics. Heavy and the kid is priceless.
I want to be that kid. I would KILL to have seven thousand dollars, right here, right now.
Post by: HLBeta on October 28, 2011, 01:04:51 am
Keep track of who's gotten a present and who hasn't - when someone finds a present, have him call out where it is. If someone wants it, they call it and grab it.I would trust a pw'd Bay12 server to do this. They're good people.
Post by: Metalax on October 28, 2011, 03:10:45 am
Post by: LASD on October 28, 2011, 11:12:30 am
Though the items got me thinking, anyone know if the full moon restriction is real-life or map-based? I could see it being either.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 28, 2011, 11:28:25 am
Post by: Metalax on October 28, 2011, 11:35:15 am
Post by: Shadowlord on October 28, 2011, 11:49:18 am
Most of the new items have the holliday restriction Halloween like those from last year but it also has fullmoon restriction.
I was able to wear the pumpkin head year round, so I'm not sure what you're on about.
Post by: LASD on October 28, 2011, 11:56:42 am
You can equip it, but it won't show on your character in-game. Except at Halloween.Most of the new items have the holliday restriction Halloween like those from last year but it also has fullmoon restriction.
I was able to wear the pumpkin head year round, so I'm not sure what you're on about.
Post by: jaxy15 on October 28, 2011, 12:06:21 pm
Post by: HLBeta on October 28, 2011, 12:32:31 pm
Guys, don't play on training mode or LAN if other people are on. They can get your IP.Whut?
Post by: jaxy15 on October 28, 2011, 12:37:03 pm
Offline practice can let other people get your IP.Guys, don't play on training mode or LAN if other people are on. They can get your IP.Whut?
Post by: PTTG?? on October 28, 2011, 12:41:47 pm
SOMEONE WILL STEAL YOUR IP!!!
Post by: dragonshardz on October 28, 2011, 01:18:05 pm
Post by: jaxy15 on October 28, 2011, 02:32:42 pm
Post by: Flying Carcass on October 28, 2011, 02:36:43 pm
Anyway, any tips on how to beat the boss before it leaves?
Heavies rip that eyeball to shreds.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 28, 2011, 02:45:27 pm
Scouts do alright if they have the Shortstop. You need to keep a good distance to avoid the crit rockets it constantly spouts out. Eye can't be marked for death.
Pyro is essentially the Soldier entry on the Reserve Shooter. No afterburn on the Eye.
Sniper does alright, sometimes it's hard to get a good line of sight on it. Eye cannot be jarated. DPS is gonna be low due to no crits.
Demo is difficult unless you are a god with grenade spam.
Spy can do alright with a revolver. Those things hit pretty hard and you can use the Dead Ringer to escape sudden aggro.
Heavies as always do the most damage, but they will die pretty quickly as well. Ambushing the eye makes its health drop like a rock.
Engineers take a while to set up and the eye teleports around, so it isn't terribly effective. If it pops up near a level 3 sentry it is only marginally worse than a heavy in terms of health-rock-dropping. Unless you have the Wrangler it will stop the other team from hurting the eye, so it isn't really worth it.
Medics as always are just there for crits.
The strategy for taking on the eye is the same as winning the game: Spam heavies and medics.
Post by: Shadowlord on October 28, 2011, 02:50:06 pm
Mini-sentries barely do any damage to it, by the way, and it can knock out turrets easily.
Scouts with the shortstop work remarkably well. They're probably the best class to use, since scouts can dodge the eyeball-rockets easily and run through the underworld rapidly after it teleports.
P.S. It is unfortunately impossible to place teleporters (or other buildings) in the underworld. :'(
Post by: HLBeta on October 28, 2011, 03:24:57 pm
P.S. It is unfortunately impossible to place teleporters (or other buildings) in the underworld. :'(I think a few medics amputator-spamming could camp there indefinitely (those stack, right?).
Post by: Exerosp on October 28, 2011, 04:32:02 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AE2pe5LDgE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AE2pe5LDgE&feature=related)
*'Gasms*
Post by: Tyler6498 on October 28, 2011, 04:39:28 pm
Guys... I've found something. You. Won't. Believe. Your. Eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AE2pe5LDgE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AE2pe5LDgE&feature=related)
*'Gasms*
Erecting a Dispenser here! :o
Post by: Exerosp on October 28, 2011, 04:56:24 pm
Guys... I've found something. You. Won't. Believe. Your. Eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AE2pe5LDgE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AE2pe5LDgE&feature=related)
*'Gasms*
Erecting a Dispenser here! :o
GeeGeeGeeGee Baby Baby
Post by: dragonshardz on October 28, 2011, 05:43:04 pm
Guys... I've found something. You. Won't. Believe. Your. Eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AE2pe5LDgE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AE2pe5LDgE&feature=related)
*'Gasms*
What.
Post by: Strange guy on October 28, 2011, 05:45:42 pm
Demo is difficult unless you are a god with grenade spam.
Actually grenades only do around 60-70 damage to it, instead of the 100 it does to players. And it looks like there's no falloff, as I've been easily getting 40-60 damage shotgun hits on it, which with the lack of falloff, explosions to damage groups, rolling grenades and high damage being the best parts of the grenade launcher and all not present or relevant it isn't good. Sticky launcher does good damage though.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 28, 2011, 06:05:30 pm
From what I've heard the underworld eventually explodes, killing everyone it in.P.S. It is unfortunately impossible to place teleporters (or other buildings) in the underworld. :'(I think a few medics amputator-spamming could camp there indefinitely (those stack, right?).
Post by: Enzo on October 29, 2011, 01:12:24 am
Actually grenades only do around 60-70 damage to it, instead of the 100 it does to players. And it looks like there's no falloff, as I've been easily getting 40-60 damage shotgun hits on it, which with the lack of falloff, explosions to damage groups, rolling grenades and high damage being the best parts of the grenade launcher and all not present or relevant it isn't good. Sticky launcher does good damage though.
There's damage falloff, but it kind of seems like not enough. I noticed up close to the Monoculus my Enforcer was doing 65 per hit, attacking from a decent distance it fell to <50. Which is actually still pretty decent given the rate of fire and reload, I was expecting the Spy to be useless against it.
From what I've heard the underworld eventually explodes, killing everyone it in.P.S. It is unfortunately impossible to place teleporters (or other buildings) in the underworld. :'(I think a few medics amputator-spamming could camp there indefinitely (those stack, right?).
Only loot island, I thought.
Post by: Jackrabbit on October 29, 2011, 01:57:53 am
Post by: Enzo on October 29, 2011, 02:01:38 am
Post by: Heliman on October 29, 2011, 02:21:52 am
Post by: jaxy15 on October 29, 2011, 03:53:47 am
I made a pugilist's protector. It's not bad, nor is it good, but at least I'm not poor and irish anymore.
Post by: Heliman on October 29, 2011, 04:35:58 am
Post by: jaxy15 on October 29, 2011, 06:00:49 am
paper hat is gonna be worth alot one day, mark my wordsMaybe in a few years.
Post by: RedKing on October 29, 2011, 06:25:54 am
OTOH, I found my first item last night. I have no idea how. And it's a scout pistol, whereas I pretty much have only ever had success with the Pyro.
Post by: Metalax on October 29, 2011, 07:08:35 am
Post by: Thexor on October 29, 2011, 02:10:10 pm
One of these days I'm going to find a way to not suck at TF2. :(
OTOH, I found my first item last night. I have no idea how. And it's a scout pistol, whereas I pretty much have only ever had success with the Pyro.
The Winger? ...yeah, stick to Pyro. The Winger is generally considered one of the worst Scout items - tiny ammo capacity in exchange for a smidge more damage. :-\
If you misspoke and just got something that looks like a pistol, it might be the Shortstop, in which case I take everything back and encourage you to give Scout a try!
(And items drop randomly - hence why you "don't know how" it dropped. Just keep playing, and you'll get more!)
Post by: RedKing on October 29, 2011, 02:16:57 pm
Yup, that's the one. Awesome...my 1st item and its a dud. I can see why I've found so few then...I rarely play more than a few matches each month before I give up and fiind something less masochistic. I just don't have the reflexes for twitch FPS.One of these days I'm going to find a way to not suck at TF2. :(
OTOH, I found my first item last night. I have no idea how. And it's a scout pistol, whereas I pretty much have only ever had success with the Pyro.
The Winger? ...yeah, stick to Pyro. The Winger is generally considered one of the worst Scout items - tiny ammo capacity in exchange for a smidge more damage. :-\
Post by: Thexor on October 29, 2011, 02:48:04 pm
Yup, that's the one. Awesome...my 1st item and its a dud. I can see why I've found so few then...I rarely play more than a few matches each month before I give up and fiind something less masochistic. I just don't have the reflexes for twitch FPS.One of these days I'm going to find a way to not suck at TF2. :(
OTOH, I found my first item last night. I have no idea how. And it's a scout pistol, whereas I pretty much have only ever had success with the Pyro.
The Winger? ...yeah, stick to Pyro. The Winger is generally considered one of the worst Scout items - tiny ammo capacity in exchange for a smidge more damage. :-\
Maybe you should try a different class, then. Pyro can be frustrating to play if you're no good at ambushing. Engineer has almost no 'twitch FPS' requirements - find a good sentry spot, then protect it from Spies and the occasional intelligent Demo. Heavy's also not terrible, and you'll often get a personal Medic to keep you alive.
Scout, on the other hand, is right up there with the Sniper in terms of required twitch skills, so yeah, I wouldn't recommend using Scout items even if you did find a decent one. ;)
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on October 29, 2011, 03:52:37 pm
Post by: HLBeta on October 29, 2011, 05:15:21 pm
Post by: The Scout on October 29, 2011, 05:44:19 pm
I don't play TF2 so I have no idea, but..Good in-game. Worthless out of game.
Is a Sandvich worth anything?
I could potentially trade it for items in another game [Spiral Knights] but I seriously have no idea what kind of price I should be shooting for.
Post by: Rakonas on October 29, 2011, 09:19:27 pm
Can't trade it anyway because I don't have TF2. [Well, didn't buy it, specifically.]You could always spend 1 dollar buying something at the mann co store or whatever it's called and you'll have 'bought' the game.
Dammit, Ein!
Also, I think spy really doesn't take many twitch skills. I'm someone who always sucks completely at fps's in general but as a spy I routinely do very well.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 29, 2011, 09:21:37 pm
Also, I think spy really doesn't take many twitch skills. I'm someone who always sucks completely at fps's in general but as a spy I routinely do very well.Stairstabs and matador stabs take quite a bit precision clicking.
Post by: HLBeta on October 29, 2011, 09:35:34 pm
And the class depends on a good connection more than most. Trying to backstab on a slow connection can be a bear.Also, I think spy really doesn't take many twitch skills. I'm someone who always sucks completely at fps's in general but as a spy I routinely do very well.Stairstabs and matador stabs take quite a bit precision clicking.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 29, 2011, 09:45:07 pm
Unless you have a good bad connection.And the class depends on a good connection more than most. Trying to backstab on a slow connection can be a bear.Also, I think spy really doesn't take many twitch skills. I'm someone who always sucks completely at fps's in general but as a spy I routinely do very well.Stairstabs and matador stabs take quite a bit precision clicking.
Facestab 'eery day.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on October 29, 2011, 09:55:11 pm
Also, twitch skills with revolver can be crucial to picking off targets from the back line, sometimes it is the best way to take down an engie.Also, I think spy really doesn't take many twitch skills. I'm someone who always sucks completely at fps's in general but as a spy I routinely do very well.Stairstabs and matador stabs take quite a bit precision clicking.
Post by: Heliman on October 30, 2011, 01:19:23 am
Or a sniper with that back thing(They usually wisen up to your shennanigains by the first shot if they aren't horrible), or a scout (in basically any situation), or a pyro (though they just tend to w+1 at you), or a demo that knows your a spy, or another spy, or a medic(who isn't healing). Honestly these days with my trusty Enforcer I shoot more than I stab with spy. It seems to be working, though.Also, twitch skills with revolver can be crucial to picking off targets from the back line, sometimes it is the best way to take down an engie.Also, I think spy really doesn't take many twitch skills. I'm someone who always sucks completely at fps's in general but as a spy I routinely do very well.Stairstabs and matador stabs take quite a bit precision clicking.
This is incorrect, spy stabs are instant and along as it's legit on your screen it's legit in game.And the class depends on a good connection more than most. Trying to backstab on a slow connection can be a bear.Also, I think spy really doesn't take many twitch skills. I'm someone who always sucks completely at fps's in general but as a spy I routinely do very well.Stairstabs and matador stabs take quite a bit precision clicking.
Post by: Enzo on October 30, 2011, 02:19:53 am
along as it's legit on your screen it's legit in game.
No, I've had situations where I've hit someone square in the back and it doesn't register, sometimes the backstab animation even plays instead of the regular one. I've also had tons of kills that were really obviously facestabs to both me and the victim. Usually on the B12 server actually, which is the highest ping I ever bother with. I think it has to do with lag compensation of something, but the higher your ping, the bigger crapshoot stabs become.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on October 30, 2011, 02:45:52 am
along as it's legit on your screen it's legit in game.http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1788631
Specifically the second reply by stabby stabby.
Post by: Tyler6498 on October 30, 2011, 10:24:39 am
along as it's legit on your screen it's legit in game.
No, I've had situations where I've hit someone square in the back and it doesn't register, sometimes the backstab animation even plays instead of the regular one. I've also had tons of kills that were really obviously facestabs to both me and the victim. Usually on the B12 server actually, which is the highest ping I ever bother with. I think it has to do with lag compensation of something, but the higher your ping, the bigger crapshoot stabs become.
You too? I seem to have my highest ping on Bay12 and mess up a lot thanks to it. Pretty sure the server is far away from me though being the reason so I usually use my ambassador and headshot people since the lag acts like slowmo sometimes.
Post by: Enzo on October 31, 2011, 05:18:29 am
And I don't know why (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH_TxvGMqp0), but I want to pay China my money for this game.
SNIPER GUN
Post by: Neyvn on October 31, 2011, 06:27:22 am
Sidestabs... They go through everything but the Sheild with the Electoshocker... SO Many Sniper kills by just running along and stabbing them under the shield. And thats with 43 Ping Each (approx)...Or a sniper with that back thingAlso, twitch skills with revolver can be crucial to picking off targets from the back line, sometimes it is the best way to take down an engie.Also, I think spy really doesn't take many twitch skills. I'm someone who always sucks completely at fps's in general but as a spy I routinely do very well.Stairstabs and matador stabs take quite a bit precision clicking.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 31, 2011, 06:29:25 am
Heavy is a fish salesman and Pyro is a vengeful clown.
Then they have a generic FPS class called Striker that has everything Valve didn't want in TF2, so there's that.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 31, 2011, 07:58:08 am
Everyone remember Final Combat, the Chinese TF2 ripoff? They're making Meet the Team videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7hd-BD4mzo).
And I don't know why (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH_TxvGMqp0), but I want to pay China my money for this game.
SNIPER GUN
I can't wait to see what character has the tophat, and what TF2 class he
Also, how long till somebody ports the character models into TF2?
Post by: Heliman on October 31, 2011, 08:04:28 am
Post by: RedKing on October 31, 2011, 08:35:46 am
Yup, that's the one. Awesome...my 1st item and its a dud. I can see why I've found so few then...I rarely play more than a few matches each month before I give up and fiind something less masochistic. I just don't have the reflexes for twitch FPS.One of these days I'm going to find a way to not suck at TF2. :(
OTOH, I found my first item last night. I have no idea how. And it's a scout pistol, whereas I pretty much have only ever had success with the Pyro.
The Winger? ...yeah, stick to Pyro. The Winger is generally considered one of the worst Scout items - tiny ammo capacity in exchange for a smidge more damage. :-\
Maybe you should try a different class, then. Pyro can be frustrating to play if you're no good at ambushing. Engineer has almost no 'twitch FPS' requirements - find a good sentry spot, then protect it from Spies and the occasional intelligent Demo. Heavy's also not terrible, and you'll often get a personal Medic to keep you alive.
Thank you for the recommendation. Played my first match as an Engineer last night and had a good deal of success. I tend to play support/defensive in most multiplayer team games anyway, so I don't know why I didn't try this sooner.
Post by: Metalax on October 31, 2011, 08:50:51 am
What's the dfc's server's ip again? I can't find it for the life o me.
217.163.25.175:27015
it is also listed on the DFC group page http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress)
Post by: PTTG?? on October 31, 2011, 09:41:39 am
... you can help out alot just by healing everyone.
Alots don't need any help.
Post by: RedKing on October 31, 2011, 10:23:15 am
... you can help out alot just by healing everyone.
Alots don't need any help.
Spoiler: Alot sighting! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Enzo on October 31, 2011, 01:46:18 pm
Why did you link the Sniper video, the other two revamped classes are so much more amazing.
Heavy is a fish salesman and Pyro is a vengeful clown.
I did link the
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 31, 2011, 02:53:09 pm
Why did you link the Sniper video, the other two revamped classes are so much more amazing.
Heavy is a fish salesman and Pyro is a vengeful clown.
Hell, they have a hockey player and a pirate. A goddamn pirate (No clue what classes though).
Also: The spy will be wearing a tophat.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 01, 2011, 11:59:10 am
Post by: Metalax on November 01, 2011, 12:10:19 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 01, 2011, 12:12:51 pm
it runs for 2 weeks, so around the 10thThat's good. I should have some time then.
Post by: Metalax on November 02, 2011, 08:15:25 pm
Post by: The Scout on November 06, 2011, 04:20:18 pm
Post by: klingon13524 on November 06, 2011, 04:26:12 pm
How do these people keep getting in those tournaments with Valve and Yogcast? I'd like to sign the DFCT for one of these. And get destroyed....Pretty much everyone there was internet famous or working for Valve.
Post by: The Scout on November 06, 2011, 04:29:53 pm
But they also have a bunch with random people.How do these people keep getting in those tournaments with Valve and Yogcast? I'd like to sign the DFCT for one of these. And get destroyed....Pretty much everyone there was internet famous or working for Valve.
Post by: jester on November 06, 2011, 08:37:54 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on November 06, 2011, 09:48:18 pm
Post by: Strange guy on November 07, 2011, 01:17:47 pm
I'm not even bothering with gift hunting myself.
I did it last year, and it took hours for only 9 items. I regret doing so then, and with even more items and no achievement I haven't bothered either. I would like some of the sets, but with them limited to Halloween and full moons I can't justify buying them, trading for them or spending hours collecting pieces than even longer trying to trade them up to a full set.
Considering the problems with it last year I think it is the real failure of this event, monoculus and the underworld have issues (crits, uber and speed boost is a bit ridiculous, I don't think crits should anger monoculous, there's no incentive to help kill him or stop killing enemies if you have the achievements and are just looking for gifts) but they are completely new things, issues with them are forgiveable.
Post by: Shadowlord on November 07, 2011, 03:07:16 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 07, 2011, 03:40:16 pm
I'm not even bothering with gift hunting myself.
I did it last year, and it took hours for only 9 items. I regret doing so then, and with even more items and no achievement I haven't bothered either. I would like some of the sets, but with them limited to Halloween and full moons I can't justify buying them, trading for them or spending hours collecting pieces than even longer trying to trade them up to a full set.
I know what you mean. Played for 10+ hours, only got one goddamn present, the stupid leg wraps for the scout. I also bought two of the items for the Sniper, because I got the third from the cauldron and I had enough money left over from when I got a paid account.
Considering the problems with it last year I think it is the real failure of this event, monoculus and the underworld have issues (crits, uber and speed boost is a bit ridiculous, I don't think crits should anger monoculous, there's no incentive to help kill him or stop killing enemies if you have the achievements and are just looking for gifts) but they are completely new things, issues with them are forgiveable.
Yeah. You know what would have been really nice? Say you already have the bombnomicon and you reach it again in the underworld. Instead of getting another bombnomicon (or whatever), if you got one of the holloween items instead or at least a chance to get one. That way you have an incentive to kill monoculus (for loot), but you still have to invest time into it (which is what Valve seems to want). After all, you'll have to particpate in the event for at least 5 hours to get all the items. 3 items * 9 classes = 27 items + 1 bombnomicon = 28 items * ~10 minutes for monoculus to spawn/die = 280 minutes which is 20 minutes shy of five hours. Obviously those (rough) calculations assume that you acquire no items through trading, that you acquire an item each time, that everybody wants to kill monoculus, that you find no presents and that you recieve no duplicates. Overall the above solution more fair than the current situation for players who don't have the time to acquire the items, or can't organize a private server with friends to farm items, or just aren't plain lucky.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 07, 2011, 05:04:11 pm
Seems like a straightforward system.
Post by: Jackrabbit on November 07, 2011, 05:10:55 pm
I got all the masks and made the sackston hale mask last year, and I never use it because it looks like crap. Not to mention that I virtually never actually play TF2 anymore. So I saw no point in wasting hours on it this time (I did get the achievements and necrobombicon or whatever it is, but the explosion doesn't even hurt enemies, so it's useless).
If the explosion hurt enemies it'd be a massive gamebreaker, essentially preventing anyone from using melee weapons and making the spy almost useless and terrified to stab anyone with scoping them out first. I mean, could you imagine if there were two engies in an engie nest and they were both wearing one? There's no way one spy could do anything.
Post by: Cecilff2 on November 07, 2011, 05:49:34 pm
First to reach the book = gift.
Seems like a straightforward system.
Better idea.
x number of haunted halloween gifts are given out to the killers of monoculus. Where x is the level of monoculus
Say the list consists of Scoot, Wankers, and SANDVIICH. They killed level 1 monoculus.
Game randomly picks one to receive the gift. Same list, but level 2. Game picks Scoot first, then chooses between Wankers and SANDVIICH for the remaining one. Say he was level 4. All three get gifts, and a fourth is distributed randomly among them again.
This would actually get people working together to kill that eyeball. Seriously, why did they add levels if there's no point to it other than he annoys everyone even more now.
Post by: dragonshardz on November 07, 2011, 09:11:50 pm
First to reach the book = gift.
Seems like a straightforward system.
Better idea.
x number of haunted halloween gifts are given out to the killers of monoculus. Where x is the level of monoculus
Say the list consists of Scoot, Wankers, and SANDVIICH. They killed level 1 monoculus.
Game randomly picks one to receive the gift. Same list, but level 2. Game picks Scoot first, then chooses between Wankers and SANDVIICH for the remaining one. Say he was level 4. All three get gifts, and a fourth is distributed randomly among them again.
This would actually get people working together to kill that eyeball. Seriously, why did they add levels if there's no point to it other than he annoys everyone even more now.
You seem to be forgetting that Valve is a masterful troll.
Post by: Enzo on November 07, 2011, 09:20:17 pm
You seem to be forgetting that Valve is a masterful troll.
This.
Release a bunch of awesome cosmetic items. Make them only wearable for 3 days every month.
Introduce an epic boss battle. Reward the items for finding a randomly spawning box instead.
Give players two weeks to obtain 27 costume pieces.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: HLBeta on November 07, 2011, 09:33:32 pm
It succeeded enough to get me to stop playing for the duration of the event after spending about an hour harvesting the event's low-hanging fruit. Never even saw a gift that lasted more than five seconds and Scout is probably my worst class. That and it turned my precious balloon race servers into ghost towns. Though I have high hopes for tonight.You seem to be forgetting that Valve is a masterful troll.This.
Release a bunch of awesome cosmetic items. Make them only wearable for 3 days every month.
Introduce an epic boss battle. Reward the items for finding a randomly spawning box instead.
Give players two weeks to obtain 27 costume pieces.
Incidentally, what would it take to get one of the Balloon Race maps added to the community server rotation? For all it's wonkiness, it is my favorite way to break up more conventional maps.
Post by: Metalax on November 08, 2011, 04:02:24 am
Post by: MrWiggles on November 08, 2011, 07:41:32 am
The cap was turned off. The boss was left normal.
When you joined the server, you placed in a waiting line. When it was your turn, you had the ability to freeze everyone for sixty seconds. If you couldnt find it in 60 seconds, it became free game.
I really liked the server, because it the only server I saw, where the same person didnt keep on getting the fucking gift...
Through trade, I managed to get two full costume sets.
Post by: dragonshardz on November 08, 2011, 07:23:28 pm
Good times. It was FuG's Convoy server.
Post by: 3 on November 08, 2011, 08:05:53 pm
It was FuG's Convoy server.
Thank you for reminding me to watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd5dzJF2Nkc) again.
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 08, 2011, 09:41:45 pm
That.It was FuG's Convoy server.
Thank you for reminding me to watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd5dzJF2Nkc) again.
That is the best thing.
I want to do that.
I want to do that so badly. My inner Troll demands it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 08, 2011, 09:46:17 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 08, 2011, 10:23:04 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on November 08, 2011, 11:05:05 pm
and currently has a NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400
:|
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 08, 2011, 11:19:01 pm
Is it the GeForce2? Cause I think my dead computer has something better.
Post by: Shadowlord on November 08, 2011, 11:24:15 pm
(Because even if you had a better graphics card in your dead computer, it may be the wrong interface type (PCI Express instead of AGP), so you might not be able to put it in that computer. Assuming that the card is undamaged.)
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 08, 2011, 11:34:48 pm
Reinstall
Validating
Updating Drivers
Uninstalling and then Reinstalling Drivers
Windows Update shows nothing needing updating
Running it as Admin
and some random junk I don't recall
As for having it work, it does till I try to start up a game or do one of the tutorials then it freezes after loading stuff almost all the way and throws up the error.
Post by: Shadowlord on November 08, 2011, 11:46:23 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 09, 2011, 12:08:45 am
Anyway found the box for my other card, its a Radeon 9250 and it should work in my computer so if it would help by changing to it then I would try it.
EDIT: It is the graphics card. A little more googling on my part found this site (http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/intro.aspx) and it determined that I don't have enough Video RAM nor do I have Pixel Shader of any version. My Radeon has the min128MB RAM needed so it should allow me to play TF2. If it does not then I don't know what I can do.
EDIT2: If the site I posted in the edit above is to be believed I can now run it... I think an actual attempt to play TF2 is in order.
FinalEDIT: It works! Of course it does as it is just in time for me to need to go to bed. I did do the tutorials and must say that I suck, though that might just be my never having played it before.
Post by: Azkanan on November 09, 2011, 04:12:35 pm
You can try and add my Steam, "Azkanan".
Post by: jester on November 09, 2011, 07:41:30 pm
Post by: Enzo on November 10, 2011, 11:08:05 pm
That is all.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 11, 2011, 01:42:53 am
Post by: Glowcat on November 11, 2011, 02:14:34 am
So I have been playing some and have achieved the skill level of normal newb instead of total newb so I remembered that on the first page of this thread I had seen there was a server. How convenient I thought and so I did what it told me to do (adding the IP to server favorites) and lo and behold well... nothing. Is it just my end or is the server currently down?
Looking at the Steam servers list it seems to be down, so not just you.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 11, 2011, 02:29:28 am
Post by: JamesCorella on November 11, 2011, 03:06:33 am
Post by: Enzo on November 11, 2011, 03:18:15 am
Well thatsgoodbetter then the alternative. Anyone with suggestions for other servers to play on that would be new player friendly?
Depends on your location. There should be tons of servers up, just pick one that's almost full and go to town.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 11, 2011, 03:27:36 am
Post by: MrWiggles on November 11, 2011, 07:14:33 am
And it seem to be fucking up on me.
I play on a Mac. Does anyone have a place to go read up on it? Generally, I'd hit up the steam forum, but their down.
I've tried facepunch forums already.
Post by: Metalax on November 11, 2011, 07:52:43 am
So I have been playing some and have achieved the skill level of normal newb instead of total newb so I remembered that on the first page of this thread I had seen there was a server. How convenient I thought and so I did what it told me to do (adding the IP to server favorites) and lo and behold well... nothing. Is it just my end or is the server currently down?
Looking at the Steam servers list it seems to be down, so not just you.
Yeah I restarted the server to update it before I went to bed after the update came out and it appears to have never come back up. Tried restarting it several times and it is staying down. Need nilocy to send a support ticket to the hosters as apparently my level of access doesn't let me (or the ticket link is hiding).
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 11, 2011, 10:41:16 am
Someone hates fun.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 11, 2011, 01:23:36 pm
Does anyone know any decent servers I could play on? Maybe a better way to figure out what server to try at least?
EDIT: looks like the server is back up!
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 12, 2011, 02:47:17 am
Post by: Enzo on November 12, 2011, 03:24:45 am
Also, I'm wondering what's "bad" about the random servers you're picking. I've rarely heard folks on any server bitching about newbs except the ever-present "3 snipers and 2 spies? UGH" bitching. Or are you just getting owned or something? I don't know. I have a couple favourite servers, but rarely go on one and think it's terrible for whatever reason.
Post by: cerapa on November 12, 2011, 05:30:40 am
Bad servers, never seen em. Then again, I can only get a connection to 5% of TF2 server.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 12, 2011, 09:31:52 am
SERVERS! (http://www.fugworld.com/forums/cmps_index.php)
Column on the left side. Good community, very vocal friends.
PA FORUMS
Relevant thread (http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/149951/tf2/p1)
I think HonC is open to the public. Some good games to be had on there when people are on. Usually they get on in the evenings after 6:00 EST
Post by: Flying Carcass on November 12, 2011, 09:44:04 am
In regards to bad servers, avoid nighteam ones at all costs, as their servers' donors are given massive cheats (like unlimited sentries).
When playing scout, try to flank your opponents. If you're in a fight you don't feel you can win, run away. At a distance, pistol is better than shotgun (just be aware that if you hold down the fire button for too long with the pistol, the accuracy goes down. short bursts are best for accuracy). Avoid engineer sentries.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 12, 2011, 01:46:32 pm
Edit: I think I was just unlucky and did not try enough servers
Post by: Siquo on November 12, 2011, 03:56:50 pm
Scout is the hardest to pull off. I still have trouble with it. Especially now they nerfed the shortstop, the only weapon that made me look competent.
Speaking of incompetent, hearing the Bloody Spring wailing my name as he goes down in flames yet again is music to mine ears. ;D
Post by: MrWiggles on November 12, 2011, 05:25:58 pm
But to be a good pyro does take skill. I'm a damn good pyro.
Scout my second best class. I loooooovvvvveeeeee fucking killing Heavies as a Scout. Its hilarious!
Then I play Sniper. Sniper, by the stats, would be my best glass. Most Damage. Most Points. Most Dominations. Most Kills. Most Headshots.
As a Sniper, I've done 5723 damage. That's Heavy damage range. XD
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On a side note, for a FPS, I think the Sniper is best handle in TF2. He's powerifull, but TF2 solves the problem of the no-scope. No Scoping, generally makes the sniper weapons OP.
With the charge up meter, the Sniper is forced to take careful shots for max damage. And he needs to, to take out the overhealed.
Post by: PsyberianHusky on November 12, 2011, 06:42:50 pm
I just quick scope at short range.
I feel horrible when I do it, but then I feel great.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 12, 2011, 07:52:28 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 12, 2011, 08:34:48 pm
Post by: Bdthemag on November 12, 2011, 08:53:00 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 12, 2011, 08:57:07 pm
Post by: jester on November 13, 2011, 12:22:53 am
In terms of finding servers, go browse servers, set ping to <100/<50, pick a map you want with the player count you want and go. Ive seen 3 hackers in my 1500 hours of tf2, so that shouldnt be a huge problem, some servers have the stuff like donators getting cheats, or dick admins, but its the easiest thing in the world to just change server.
In terms of servers with communities, clan servers (noobs are probably gonna get smashed though) and custom map servers usually have a fair amount of regulars. Setting up a pubs vs pros game can be a great intro to comp as well
Post by: Bdthemag on November 13, 2011, 01:32:30 am
Post by: Enzo on November 13, 2011, 02:11:29 am
As for the servers I just mean has people because I kept choosing servers and it was either a bot fest or just mean.
Oh yeah, my bad, I forgot servers that fill up with bots. The Skial servers appear to automatically generate bots until they're 23/24 full, removing them as people join. So you think you're joining a full server, and when you get there it's 3 players and a bunch of braindead bots running in circles in spawn. So blacklisted.
My Sniper build is Machina, Danger Shield and that one Saharan knife.
I think I've said this before but Huntsman + Jarate (and usually Bushwacka) is the only way I can play Sniper. Aggro Frontlines Sniper is so much less boring that sitting in a corner with a rifle.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 13, 2011, 02:58:32 am
As for the bot servers, I have been able to avoid them after the first few by just not going to any server where its full except for one slot. Most real servers tend not to get to 23/24 as they either are full or somewhere around ~20.
Post by: 3 on November 13, 2011, 05:08:52 am
Also, hilariously bad player of the day: The demo who spent an hour on Upward using the sticky launcher like a regular sticky. I couldn't stop laughing when I saw he'd set a trap for RED during setup.
Post by: DarkerDark on November 13, 2011, 06:31:48 am
So I started making a serious attempt at using the DR today. The infamous Enforcer + DR + YER combo is definitely very powerful, but I found myself instinctively dropping disguises (I like to spycap), at which point I obviously couldn't get them back. It's also surprisingly difficult to get into an engie nest: Unless you can catch somebody out in the open and slip in, your only real option is to hope that he's positioned badly and try to use his dispenser for cover or something after DRing. Eventually I switched to Enforcer + DR + BE, which was frankly bloody fantastic. DR past the front lines, grab a small ammo box, stab a guy, and if you're spotted you can DR again right there. I had 2/1 k/d (good for me) and 300-odd points when the enemy team got three paranoid medics which made the approach far more difficult.
Also, hilariously bad player of the day: The demo who spent an hour on Upward using the sticky launcher like a regular sticky. I couldn't stop laughing when I saw he'd set a trap for RED during setup.
Once you go Enforcer, it's hard to go back to any other revolver. I can still switch between the DR and the CaD, or switch between the different knives, but I always, ALWAYS find myself wishing for the Enforcer if I try switching to another revolver. 2 shots to take down an engineer means you don't even need to wait for him to turn his back on you before decide to sap his stuff. Also, the Enforcer + DR means you can quite often take out a pyro and survive even after he's put the flames to you.
Post by: cerapa on November 13, 2011, 02:59:56 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 13, 2011, 03:57:50 pm
Post by: cerapa on November 13, 2011, 04:02:22 pm
I am, but it appears that my awesome demoknight skills has driven the other two people on the server away. Sorry about that.I was against one guy at one point and killed him with my awesome scout powahs(he was actually pretty bad).
Cant play right now. Sorry for the call out.
Post by: Neyvn on November 13, 2011, 06:30:30 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 13, 2011, 07:08:43 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on November 13, 2011, 09:16:55 pm
I was just on for a second. It was only me and someone else on a king of the hill type map and the other guy left after I killed him as a scout to his heavy. Left after I completed the round. If anyone else happens to go on sometime later tonight I might join in and will be checking if anyone is in the server from time to time.
I play nightly. My nick is MisterWigggles666
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 13, 2011, 09:21:29 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on November 13, 2011, 09:25:10 pm
When I want to play I tend to check the DF server first and sometimes even if there is no people I hop on and if there is people, well much the better!
I've never been on the DF Server. Its always empty. But I'd be willing to go 1v1 with ya for a bit. Send me an invite to the game.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 13, 2011, 09:31:57 pm
Post by: Azkanan on November 16, 2011, 04:40:49 am
I was in Team Fortress, as in actually there, trying to kill heavy. I told him that Engineer needed a hand with the Spanner. Whereas I then had a Sentry fire the crap out of him.
He then came back and said "You lie, Engineer not need my help!" :|
Heavy then went and showed me those red punching gloves and said I should get some. I told him I already had some, and he put them back on the shelf. xD
I also tried to kill Medic, but he kept healing. :(
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 17, 2011, 05:32:04 am
Edit: Oh and I got the holy mackerel and had some fun fish killing with it for a bit as well.
Post by: klingon13524 on November 17, 2011, 07:09:17 am
Just got the gunslinger and realized I had sucked at playing engie because I was a battle engie, not a nesting engie. Was playing on convoy and it was fun to set the mini turret on the other vehicles main deck area. I kept getting kills against a couple snipers and the occasional scout before it would go down. Of course the real fun started when another engie was on and they managed to build their lv3 turret in the opponents flag room along with a tele and dispenser. If not for the fact our entrances kept getting sapped we would have been steam rolling like gods.What exact combo were you using? Also, screw around with the keybindings for more optimal battle engie play.
Edit: Oh and I got the holy mackerel and had some fun fish killing with it for a bit as well.
Post by: Metalax on November 17, 2011, 10:13:30 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 17, 2011, 01:34:38 pm
I have been messing with key-bindings though I do have one question. Is it possible to have the same command bond to multiple keys? I set primary weapon to wheel up, secondary to wheel down, and melee to wheel click but the bindings to 1-3 have gone away and I still like having them occasionally.
Post by: Orangebottle on November 17, 2011, 01:52:07 pm
Once you go Enforcer, it's hard to go back to any other revolver. I can still switch between the DR and the CaD, or switch between the different knives, but I always, ALWAYS find myself wishing for the Enforcer if I try switching to another revolver. 2 shots to take down an engineer means you don't even need to wait for him to turn his back on you before decide to sap his stuff. Also, the Enforcer + DR means you can quite often take out a pyro and survive even after he's put the flames to you.Personally I prefer the Ambassador. Then again, I get a lot of headshots as spy. In theory your combo would work, but you're assuming that the pyro won't keep his flamethrower on after you "die". Or that the leftover flames won't hit you.
Also, yeah, running up and sapping nested engineers is the reason I play spy a lot. So funny to see them go "DAMMIT SPY!" in the chat.
Auto-reload and a number of other nice options are already on for me. It is amazing how much they help. As for what I am using its just basic stuff plus wrangler as I don't have any other nifty things for engie other then that short circuit thing which I don't really like.The only thing I don't like about the Short Circuit is that it costs a lot of metal to fire. Metal that would be better used for mini-sentries.
I have been messing with key-bindings though I do have one question. Is it possible to have the same command bond to multiple keys? I set primary weapon to wheel up, secondary to wheel down, and melee to wheel click but the bindings to 1-3 have gone away and I still like having them occasionally.
I tried combining the gunslinger and the wrangler in one build. It did not end well.
Am I the only person who really hates non-gunslinger/non-wrangler engineers?
Ive seen 3 hackers in my 1500 hours of tf2, so that shouldnt be a huge problem, some servers have the stuff like donators getting cheats, or dick admins, but its the easiest thing in the world to just change server.Ugh, donator benefits are awful. I was playing on one Well server as a spy, and they had free 15-minute trials for their donator benefits. I tried it and I was running around at scout speed with infinite ammo and cloak. Makes the game too easy for me and too difficult for everyone else.
Post by: 3 on November 17, 2011, 02:07:22 pm
In theory your combo would work, but you're assuming that the pyro won't keep his flamethrower on after you "die". Or that the leftover flames won't hit you.
You shoot the Pyro first then DR to get rid of the afterburn and simultaneously escape. The only ways of doing this reliably at close range without the Enforcer is via an Ambassador headshot (you'd better have good aim) or Diamondback crits (situational). The normal revolver certainly can work, but it's less reliable than the Enforcer, and you're basically sacrificing a superior weapon for free.
I've said it before but Gunslinger + SC works extremely well. You can hang about on the front lines, constantly softening enemies up with the mini-sentry, support with the other buildings, and defend nearly as well as a Pyro if the situation calls for it. Better, if Demospam abounds.
Post by: MrWiggles on November 17, 2011, 03:12:01 pm
Reloading is to much of a strategic option to let the game do it for me automatically.
Post by: cerapa on November 17, 2011, 03:16:55 pm
I dont like like auto reload.As far as Ive seen, when you shoot you interrupt the reloading. Basically it doesnt hinder you in any way.
Reloading is to much of a strategic option to let the game do it for me automatically.
Post by: klingon13524 on November 17, 2011, 03:17:35 pm
I dont like like auto reload.Makes things a hell of a lot easier. Unless you're playing spy.
Reloading is to much of a strategic option to let the game do it for me automatically.
Post by: MrWiggles on November 17, 2011, 03:20:58 pm
For a while, I've been playing as a scout with the Short Stop.I dont like like auto reload.As far as Ive seen, when you shoot you interrupt the reloading. Basically it doesnt hinder you in any way.
Reloading is to much of a strategic option to let the game do it for me automatically.
There's a delay when you're doing the reload animation, and it'll futz the ammo loaded count display for a second or so.
Post by: PTTG?? on November 17, 2011, 04:48:22 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 17, 2011, 04:57:12 pm
Auto-reload and a number of other nice options are already on for me. It is amazing how much they help. As for what I am using its just basic stuff plus wrangler as I don't have any other nifty things for engie other then that short circuit thing which I don't really like.
Really? I don't even have one, and I'm drooling over the thought of getting one. As a turtling engineer you can basically write off any soldiers or demomen as a threat to your sentry. Unless your dispenser is down you should be able to destroy their explosives faster than they can spam them, and destroying a level 3 sentry with melee or a shotgun is laughable at best. Sure, other classes/an ubercharge could destroy your nest, but not using the short circuit isn't going to change that.
It's also an excellent spy checker. It basically zaps everybody in your field of you. If you spot a bunch of sparks floating in mid-air, then you've found a cloaked spy. If one of your teammates you zapped is covered in sparks, then he's actually a disguised spy. Pull your shotgun or wrench out and have fun (Mind you, I don't actually have the weapon, and they might have changed it since the last time I checked the wiki).
Am I the only person who really hates non-gunslinger/non-wrangler engineers?
Elaborate please. As long as the engineer doesn't place his buildings stupidly, (I mean really stupidly. Not stupidly as in 'This is the first time I've played this map', I mean stupid as in 'Let's place my sentry in the middle of the courtyard' stupid.) I'm fine with whatever weapons he's using.
Post by: Enzo on November 17, 2011, 05:09:26 pm
I dont like like auto reload.Makes things a hell of a lot easier. Unless you're playing spy.
Reloading is to much of a strategic option to let the game do it for me automatically.
Eh, I never see anyone using that disguised-spy-reload-trick. It's not like you're going to fool anybody with it, it's got a tooltip for it and everything. Assuming that's what you're talking about. Once I realized you could auto-reload, switch the medigun from hold to click, display weapon damage, etc., I never considered going back.
Really? I don't even have one, and I'm drooling over the thought of getting one. As a turtling engineer you can basically write off any soldiers or demomen as a threat to your sentry. Unless your dispenser is down you should be able to destroy their explosives faster than they can spam them, and destroying a level 3 sentry with melee or a shotgun is laughable at best. Sure, other classes/an ubercharge could destroy your nest, but not using the short circuit isn't going to change that.
It's also an excellent spy checker. It basically zaps everybody in your field of you. If you spot a bunch of sparks floating in mid-air, then you've found a cloaked spy. If one of your teammates you zapped is covered in sparks, then he's actually a disguised spy. Pull your shotgun or wrench out and have fun (Mind you, I don't actually have the weapon, and they might have changed it since the last time I checked the wiki).
Maybe I should give it another try, but the metal cost and absolutely minimal damage output make it not nearly as cool as it sounds. I don't play turtle-engi very often anymore though, so it probably just doesn't suit my playstyle. Also, I love my pistol. Nobody ever expects the pistol-kill.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 17, 2011, 05:19:32 pm
turtling engineerYes it would be useful for a nest engie but as I had said I am bad at that kind of play. What I am good at is battle engie and the pistol just fires so fast, reloads so quickly, and has so much more ammo that I can't really pass it up.
Edit: I just finished reading all of this thread.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 17, 2011, 05:58:04 pm
turtling engineerYes it would be useful for a nest engie but as I had said I am bad at that kind of play. What I am good at is battle engie and the pistol just fires so fast, reloads so quickly, and has so much more ammo that I can't really pass it up.
Oops. Must have misread that part. Sorry about that.
EDIT: I'm a bit annoyed. Apparently you don't get the Show Trial Achievement by killing somebody during humiliation. While you're the ones being humiliated, of course.
Post by: Orangebottle on November 17, 2011, 07:38:13 pm
Sentries are powerful. They're very accurate and do a lot of damage. The gunslinger makes them much weaker and the wrangler makes it so it isn't always auto-aiming all the time, cause sometimes the engie will be controlling it manually.Am I the only person who really hates non-gunslinger/non-wrangler engineers?Elaborate please. As long as the engineer doesn't place his buildings stupidly, (I mean really stupidly. Not stupidly as in 'This is the first time I've played this map', I mean stupid as in 'Let's place my sentry in the middle of the courtyard' stupid.) I'm fine with whatever weapons he's using.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 17, 2011, 08:07:41 pm
So you hate engineers who use the gunslinger/wrangler? You're initial quote makes it seems like you hate engineers who don't use the wrangler/gunslinger, yet your response talks about how the items makes sentries less useful/powerful. I'm a bit confused here.Sentries are powerful. They're very accurate and do a lot of damage. The gunslinger makes them much weaker and the wrangler makes it so it isn't always auto-aiming all the time, cause sometimes the engie will be controlling it manually.Am I the only person who really hates non-gunslinger/non-wrangler engineers?Elaborate please. As long as the engineer doesn't place his buildings stupidly, (I mean really stupidly. Not stupidly as in 'This is the first time I've played this map', I mean stupid as in 'Let's place my sentry in the middle of the courtyard' stupid.) I'm fine with whatever weapons he's using.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 17, 2011, 08:14:03 pm
It sounds like he dislikes the combo but would prefer to play against them as they are easier to take on.So you hate engineers who use the gunslinger/wrangler? You're initial quote makes it seems like you hate engineers who don't use the wrangler/gunslinger, yet your response talks about how the items makes sentries less useful/powerful. I'm a bit confused here.Sentries are powerful. They're very accurate and do a lot of damage. The gunslinger makes them much weaker and the wrangler makes it so it isn't always auto-aiming all the time, cause sometimes the engie will be controlling it manually.Am I the only person who really hates non-gunslinger/non-wrangler engineers?Elaborate please. As long as the engineer doesn't place his buildings stupidly, (I mean really stupidly. Not stupidly as in 'This is the first time I've played this map', I mean stupid as in 'Let's place my sentry in the middle of the courtyard' stupid.) I'm fine with whatever weapons he's using.
Post by: Enzo on November 17, 2011, 08:19:59 pm
Protip: Sentries have limited range, are stationary, and turn slowly. They can be sapped, attacked from beyond their range, by edging around corners and retreating before it reacts, or by using arcing projectiles without ever entering their line of fire. Not to mention ubering any power class can take one out no problem.
If there's a class you really should hate, it's non-huntsman Snipers. Cowards.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 17, 2011, 08:24:02 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 18, 2011, 07:13:19 am
Naw, its ninja pyros. They always get me when I play scout and I always get just a step away from health when I die. Its not the fact that they kill me but that they let me see hope before crushing it even after they are dead.sorry :P
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 18, 2011, 07:17:31 am
Post by: DarkerDark on November 18, 2011, 09:14:26 am
I've tried the short circuit, but I just can't get the hang of it. Most soldiers/demomen do the whole corner creep tactic to take out your sentry and I'd much rather use the pistol to chase them off than sit there repeatedly zapping their projectiles. And the pistol has saved my bacon more times than I can remember. Can't say the same for the Short Circuit.
Post by: Orangebottle on November 21, 2011, 04:07:31 pm
The sentry is OP in my mind. As I said, it auto-aims and does LOTS of damage. It takes incredibly little skill, cause all you have to know is where to place it. The wrangler/gunslinger put an end to this. So no, I hate engineers who don't use either of them.So you hate engineers who use the gunslinger/wrangler? You're initial quote makes it seems like you hate engineers who don't use the wrangler/gunslinger, yet your response talks about how the items makes sentries less useful/powerful. I'm a bit confused here.Sentries are powerful. They're very accurate and do a lot of damage. The gunslinger makes them much weaker and the wrangler makes it so it isn't always auto-aiming all the time, cause sometimes the engie will be controlling it manually.Am I the only person who really hates non-gunslinger/non-wrangler engineers?Elaborate please. As long as the engineer doesn't place his buildings stupidly, (I mean really stupidly. Not stupidly as in 'This is the first time I've played this map', I mean stupid as in 'Let's place my sentry in the middle of the courtyard' stupid.) I'm fine with whatever weapons he's using.
I think what he means to say is, he hates getting killed by level 3 sentries.I'm not always playing as a class with long-range attacks, in 2fort you can place them so they are pretty much unavoidable, and that is entirely irrelevant. Yes, I know you can attack around corners/etc(I do it all the time with the Demoman). The problem with ubering is that the missiles will push you out of range of the uber unless you play Heavy.
Protip: Sentries have limited range, are stationary, and turn slowly. They can be sapped, attacked from beyond their range, by edging around corners and retreating before it reacts, or by using arcing projectiles without ever entering their line of fire. Not to mention ubering any power class can take one out no problem.
If there's a class you really should hate, it's non-huntsman Snipers. Cowards.
I used to only play engie on CTF maps, and only if there were scouts on the opposing team. But lately I've been playing as a battle-engie with the gunslinger. On more open maps, he's actually not all that bad. Move up with a soldier/demo or heavy and drop a mini-sentry while your opposition targets your teammate and then shotgun/pistol them to death.The short circuit is bad and the people who made it should feel bad. It is by far the worst weapon in the game.
I've tried the short circuit, but I just can't get the hang of it. Most soldiers/demomen do the whole corner creep tactic to take out your sentry and I'd much rather use the pistol to chase them off than sit there repeatedly zapping their projectiles. And the pistol has saved my bacon more times than I can remember. Can't say the same for the Short Circuit.
Post by: Enzo on November 21, 2011, 06:22:30 pm
in 2fort you can place them so they are pretty much unavoidable
This is a problem with 2fort, not sentries. All of my other reliable methods for dispatching sentries still stand. They're a powerful tool for area denial, but a stationary turret is far from the most dangerous thing on a server with a few skilled players.
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 21, 2011, 08:16:59 pm
I think I may have to reinstall. Blegh.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 21, 2011, 10:24:20 pm
Post by: Gunner-Chan on November 21, 2011, 10:25:36 pm
No you're bad for pony holes
Post by: Flying Carcass on November 21, 2011, 10:27:10 pm
Am I a bad person for wanting to play medic with my eyes closed?
Just navigate by the sounds of your teammates shouting "Medic!". Sort of like marco polo in an FPS.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 21, 2011, 10:27:33 pm
Come here scout with candy cane yesssss
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on November 22, 2011, 12:06:21 am
Post by: jester on November 22, 2011, 10:14:47 am
I agree that the short circuit is a useless bit of crap. MAYBE you can stop 5 rockets if you have full metal, but then you have no more metal and the solli is reloading on full health. The pistol on the other hand.... If you can see it, you can hurt it, sweet fire rate, accuracy and you will never run out of ammo. Basically a mini-minigun, wrangler has its uses but id rather have a pistol for shooting people with all the time than something that ties me to my sentry.
And I still think the enforcer needs a nerf, the deadringer in the right hands is completely oped as well (BEING INVINCIBLE AND INVISIBLE IS NOT FAIR)
Post by: Strange guy on November 22, 2011, 12:26:07 pm
I don't think the DR is overpowered (though having no disadvantage with the already good enforcer is) but is annoying. Even poor spies are very hard to properly kill, and can just keep coming back until they catch you distracted.
Post by: 3 on November 22, 2011, 12:32:52 pm
The main advantage of the SC is being able to get everything in an arc: That is, remove all of those stickies under your sentry instantly, remove an entire wave of spammed grenades on a choke, etc., and more reliably than a Pyro could do it.
The Enforcer is clearly a straight upgrade but you have to consider whether it's actually overpowered or instead just indicative of a shift in Spy balance. TF2's metagame is as skewed as that of any other MMO, and subsequently there are always people who shout "OP!" at any change of the state of things.
Post by: Neyvn on November 22, 2011, 09:35:29 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on November 22, 2011, 09:37:52 pm
With this latest update, its like no one is playing on the servers I can use without getting over 9000 ping, the only thing available was that Mge_training server. And all there were Holierthenthou players, instead of giving advice on how to aim better with the scout, they spent all their time trying to tell me off for not using default weapons... Fuck you, I can use what I want, just help me get better at aiming then slaughtering me 20-3...You want one good thing for aiming? Turn off mouse acceleration.
See this also: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628258098#1
Good for every game out there. Takes a bit to get used to it, but the payoff is great.
Post by: Untouchable on November 23, 2011, 02:28:00 am
Post by: Enzo on November 23, 2011, 03:26:16 am
So does Bay12 have a server? It would rock to just play casually instead of being dropped into a ranked server.
The Bay12 server info is pretty much the first thing in the first post of this topic. I trust you will be able to find it.
It's almost always empty, though, unless there's an event posted in the Bay12 Steam group. Which I still think there should be more of. Playing with 170 ping with a bunch of British people is fun!
The Enforcer is clearly a straight upgrade but you have to consider whether it's actually overpowered or instead just indicative of a shift in Spy balance.
Agreed. It's not overpowered, but it's obviously tailored for DR play. I think it's the same as, say, the Equalizer. It's a straight upgrade of the shovel, but is it OP? Are soldiers tearing holes in the opposition with their devastating Equalizer?
Personally I still prefer the diamondback, even with DR, because crits are delicious. It is disappointed to not be able to 2-shot Snipers all the time though.
Post by: 3 on November 23, 2011, 03:29:23 am
Post by: The Scout on November 23, 2011, 10:04:22 am
So does Bay12 have a server? It would rock to just play casually instead of being dropped into a ranked server.Unfortunately, people that get on our server are normally extremely better then the average player. Like Jakkara.
And since TF2 crashes almost instantly for me, I won't be playing anytime soon.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 23, 2011, 10:37:21 am
Like Jakkara.Excuse me
I know he won't be able to read my playful jabs at him here, but Jakarra is a prime ass ripe for kicking.
Post by: cerapa on November 23, 2011, 11:00:52 am
Ironically I tend to do better on our server than on any other.So does Bay12 have a server? It would rock to just play casually instead of being dropped into a ranked server.Unfortunately, people that get on our server are normally extremely better then the average player. Like Jakkara.
I get incredibly low ping though, so maybe its that.
Post by: Orangebottle on November 23, 2011, 01:36:56 pm
If you aren't a battle engie (and I often am) the wrangler is one of the most overpowered things in the game right now. Act as a normal sentry whenever it is beneficial to do so, and when you suspect a spy you can shoot him with your sentry, you can scare away corner shooters with rockets, turn on the shield then repair so you can outlast an uber (or keep them back with higher than normal knockback, or concentrate fire on someone who isn't invincible). For the cost of the pistol, which is only better than the shotgun in places where you don't want your sentry.Or you can get shot in the face a couple times by an intelligent spy with an ambassador, then watch him laugh over your dead corpse as he saps your shit because the sentry can't shoot when it's coming out of wrangler mode.
Post by: MrWiggles on November 23, 2011, 02:51:23 pm
If an Engy, is standing in back of the Sentry, but if you have a shot of the head (as a sniper), the headshot is nulled.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 23, 2011, 02:56:00 pm
Post by: Siquo on November 23, 2011, 03:11:27 pm
Unfortunately, people that get on our server are normally extremely better then the average player. Like Jakkara.Bwahahaha :D
His constant jabbering (which is funny, imho) makes him a prime target, somehow. He's good but not "extremely". Perhaps compared to the average free-player, but that makes all of us extremely... oh wait that's what you said. Nevermind me. Comprehensive reading fail.
You know what, I'm going to play me some.
Post by: Strange guy on November 23, 2011, 03:20:26 pm
Or you can get shot in the face a couple times by an intelligent spy with an ambassador, then watch him laugh over your dead corpse as he saps your shit because the sentry can't shoot when it's coming out of wrangler mode.
Or the engineer could hide behind his sentry after the first shot then shoot the spy to death with his wrangled sentry. And they were probably wrangling it so it survives something a normal sentry would die to, or to spy check. And a normal engie has no real way of dealing with ambassador sniping spies other than hide, what with the pistol and shotgun not being really effective beyond medium range.
Post by: The Scout on November 23, 2011, 03:40:35 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on November 25, 2011, 01:52:35 pm
The sentries hitbox is a giant ass box. Would make alot of people happier if it looked closer to the actual visible model.
This is true, though part of the point is that the engie should be able to safely hide behind his sentry.
Post by: Orangebottle on November 25, 2011, 03:10:04 pm
Or the second shot could kill the engineer no matter where it hits him. :IOr you can get shot in the face a couple times by an intelligent spy with an ambassador, then watch him laugh over your dead corpse as he saps your shit because the sentry can't shoot when it's coming out of wrangler mode.
Or the engineer could hide behind his sentry after the first shot then shoot the spy to death with his wrangled sentry. And they were probably wrangling it so it survives something a normal sentry would die to, or to spy check. And a normal engie has no real way of dealing with ambassador sniping spies other than hide, what with the pistol and shotgun not being really effective beyond medium range.
Usually when I see a wrangler engineer they're using it to long-range across the battlements of 2fort, or Well.
Post by: MrWiggles on November 25, 2011, 07:49:47 pm
The sentries hitbox is a giant ass box. Would make alot of people happier if it looked closer to the actual visible model.
This is true, though part of the point is that the engie should be able to safely hide behind his sentry.
That's true to a point, but the hit box of the sentry, doesnt align with what is presented there visually. As a Sniper, it should reward you for skill and patience, for waiting for the geometry of the Sentry to change to allow for a head shot.
Post by: Strange guy on November 26, 2011, 09:57:47 am
Or the second shot could kill the engineer no matter where it hits him. :I
Usually when I see a wrangler engineer they're using it to long-range across the battlements of 2fort, or Well.
At long range the ambassador doesn't do enough damage to kill an engie in a headshot + bodyshot. And unless waiting around a second before firing again the accuracy wouldn't be great. Though I was talking about wrangler when necessary engies, not long range ones- who are pretty vulnerable to some things.
Post by: klingon13524 on November 26, 2011, 10:32:22 am
When I'm an engineer crouching behind a sentry, I somehow often get sniped. What was that about a big hitbox?The sentries hitbox is a giant ass box. Would make alot of people happier if it looked closer to the actual visible model.
This is true, though part of the point is that the engie should be able to safely hide behind his sentry.
That's true to a point, but the hit box of the sentry, doesnt align with what is presented there visually. As a Sniper, it should reward you for skill and patience, for waiting for the geometry of the Sentry to change to allow for a head shot.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 26, 2011, 10:34:17 am
See: on-hit sounds, lag compensation, killcams, etc
Post by: Untouchable on November 26, 2011, 01:55:03 pm
Post by: The Scout on November 26, 2011, 02:02:14 pm
Well that was fun. I put in about three hours today (mostly on payload games) and actually did respectably for someone relatively new to the game. I can only really play as Soldier, Medic or Heavy effectively but all three can be useful.Soldier, Medics, and Heavies are always good.
Post by: dragonshardz on November 26, 2011, 02:38:01 pm
Post by: Untouchable on November 27, 2011, 06:30:42 am
Post by: Dwarfaholic on November 27, 2011, 07:33:10 am
Post by: Untouchable on November 27, 2011, 08:50:37 am
How does one rocketjump accidentally? Spychecks?
Close range combat to be precise. It's probably best to switch to the shotty or equalizer but I love using rocket launchers in general.
Post by: The Scout on November 27, 2011, 11:39:53 am
Post by: DJ on November 27, 2011, 01:48:37 pm
Post by: Tyler6498 on November 27, 2011, 02:00:56 pm
Post by: LASD on November 29, 2011, 05:53:41 am
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Top_Notch (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Top_Notch) and a related blog post (http://notch.tumblr.com/post/13353738451/i-love-team-fortress-2)
The TF2 Team are absolute Minecraft fanboys.
Post by: Orangebottle on November 29, 2011, 07:17:04 pm
Oh wow, check this out:Awesome.
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Top_Notch (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Top_Notch) and a related blog post (http://notch.tumblr.com/post/13353738451/i-love-team-fortress-2)
The TF2 Team are absolute Minecraft fanboys.
Best thing to ever happen to Notch? Probably.
Post by: Neyvn on December 02, 2011, 01:23:04 am
Have the scout weapons been buffed or something, mainly the Bodyshot damage.... I was healing a Heavy and one scout shot through the heals BY HIMSELF as he ran around the heavy. That and has Medics healing speed been decreased, I have the "Numbers on damage/heal" showing and the speed that I was healing that medic was so slow it wasn't funny...
Post by: Enzo on December 02, 2011, 01:39:29 am
Um...
Have the scout weapons been buffed or something, mainly the Bodyshot damage.... I was healing a Heavy and one scout shot through the heals BY HIMSELF as he ran around the heavy. That and has Medics healing speed been decreased, I have the "Numbers on damage/heal" showing and the speed that I was healing that medic was so slow it wasn't funny...
Nothing in the patch notes indicate either. A scout can actually dish out pretty decent damage at point blank if he can aim properly. It bugs me, since I can't aim for shit as scout.
Post by: MrWiggles on December 02, 2011, 02:14:48 am
Post by: klingon13524 on December 02, 2011, 04:08:21 am
Medics healing speed been decreasedNoooooooooooo!
Post by: Neyvn on December 02, 2011, 07:14:47 am
fixed that to what it should read.I thinkMedics healing speed been decreasedNoooooooooooo!
Post by: Dwarfaholic on December 03, 2011, 05:37:11 pm
Um...
Have the scout weapons been buffed or something, mainly the Bodyshot damage.... I was healing a Heavy and one scout shot through the heals BY HIMSELF as he ran around the heavy. That and has Medics healing speed been decreased, I have the "Numbers on damage/heal" showing and the speed that I was healing that medic was so slow it wasn't funny...
Fact time!
The scout's scattergun is somewhat similar to the shotgun, except that it has boosted rampup, that is, it can do a lotta damage at close range if you hit really well. It'll do about 108 damage per shot with a perfect meatshot, enough to twoshot most enemies. The aiming, of course, is the real issue here.
For the medic's healing thing, the rate of healing depends on how long it's been since the target was last injured. If he's just been hurt, it'll be around 24 hp/s, and it increases from that up to something like 72 hp/s, if I recall correctly. This is to prevent heavymedics from being too overpoweringly powerful, while still making going to the medic a better option than suicide and respawning. The medic's self-heal works in a similar way, increasing in strength as the medic goes on without being hit. This is an old feature, by the way, but it isn't very obvious if you don't know about it.
Fact time over.
Post by: Untouchable on December 04, 2011, 01:11:33 am
Post by: Strangething on December 05, 2011, 10:09:41 pm
Also, Steam keeps saying I can't friend people or comment in communities until I have a game in my account. Do free games just not count?
Here's my steam ID, if anyone wants it:
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198012903744
Post by: Thexor on December 05, 2011, 10:14:27 pm
(And that's assuming you mean ping, not latency. Ping is defined as the round-trip time; latency is the one-way time. The game displays ping on the scoreboard. If you actually meant latency... that's downright terrible! :P )
And yes, you can't do much with the Steam Community until you've paid money for a game. It's to prevent spammers signing up new accounts and posting everywhere.
Post by: FunctionZero on December 05, 2011, 11:20:13 pm
Seriously though, unless your ping is skyrocketing, there isn't really any difference.
Post by: ThreeToe on December 05, 2011, 11:24:30 pm
Let me know if there is more trouble.
Post by: Enzo on December 05, 2011, 11:45:34 pm
I had to remove several posts of a homophobic derail.
Besides one of the posts using one or two choice words in an inappropriate context, I don't remember much homophobia in the posts in question... Ah well, nothing of value was lost.
Post by: Neyvn on December 06, 2011, 12:06:47 am
It was just rage, but I wasn't being Homophobic. Don't know who or care why, but I have seen worse then what I had said left alone as what it was, Rage....I had to remove several posts of a homophobic derail.
Besides one of the posts using one or two choice words in an inappropriate context, I don't remember much homophobia in the posts in question... Ah well, nothing of value was lost.
Post by: DarkerDark on December 06, 2011, 02:22:07 am
It was just rage, but I wasn't being Homophobic. Don't know who or care why, but I have seen worse then what I had said left alone as what it was, Rage....I had to remove several posts of a homophobic derail.
Besides one of the posts using one or two choice words in an inappropriate context, I don't remember much homophobia in the posts in question... Ah well, nothing of value was lost.
It was probably me, I shouldn't have quoted someone word for word.
Anyways, I've made the transition from CTF play into CP play and I am liking it. CP maps seem to include a lot more teamwork so I can actually play the fun classes like Gunslinger Engineer and still make a big contribution to the team. When people start to rally together to make a push on the points, focus firing the enemy heavy/medic pairs into oblivion, it's glorious!
Post by: Duuvian on December 06, 2011, 03:49:51 am
Is it just me or does the Kritzkrieg seem to charge much quicker than usual.
It's always charged faster than the standard medigun as it's ubercharge is slightly less powerful, thought still pretty useful. It's best used when no one has noticed you and whoever you are using it on is about to shoot some enemies, though you might as well use it anyways when the shooting starts even if you've been spotted.
Post by: ThreeToe on December 06, 2011, 06:54:38 pm
It was just rage, but I wasn't being Homophobic. Don't know who or care why, but I have seen worse then what I had said left alone as what it was, Rage....
You used homophobic, graphic, sexually oriented language, and if Toadyone had been the one to catch you, you'd have been muted for a week. Something to think about.
Post by: dragonshardz on December 07, 2011, 02:06:05 am
So, in other news, any speculations on the Christmas event?
Post by: Untouchable on December 07, 2011, 02:53:41 am
Post by: Enzo on December 07, 2011, 03:16:02 am
I now hate keys and crates. Massive pain in my ass.
I can understand hating crates, but keys? WHY?
Post by: Untouchable on December 07, 2011, 03:38:58 am
I now hate keys and crates. Massive pain in my ass.
I can understand hating crates, but keys? WHY?
Because it feels like an unnecessary cash grab. They should have just had the keys as a rare drop instead.
Post by: jester on December 07, 2011, 07:46:03 am
I now hate keys and crates. Massive pain in my ass.
I can understand hating crates, but keys? WHY?
Because it feels like an unnecessary cash grab. They should have just had the keys as a rare drop instead.
How do you think 'free to play' would work? there is no 'pay to win' in any way. I just see it as a tax on stupidity, though i have spent about 10 bucks on crates
Post by: Matz05 on December 07, 2011, 09:25:02 am
Honestly, WHY!? Why not pick a better word? Plenty of buzzwords for the cause of the day are less misleading...
Post by: klingon13524 on December 07, 2011, 09:35:47 am
Naw, "Homophobic" is a buzzword that can mean either any insult calling sexuality into question, or any dissaproval of militant homosexual activists.I wrote a long reply, but I realized that I shouldn't further derail this.
Honestly, WHY!? Why not pick a better word? Plenty of buzzwords for the cause of the day are less misleading...
Post by: PTTG?? on December 07, 2011, 10:01:55 am
Naw, "Homophobic" is a buzzword that can mean either any insult calling sexuality into question, or any dissaproval of militant homosexual activists.
Honestly, WHY!? Why not pick a better word? Plenty of buzzwords for the cause of the day are less misleading...
You must live in a strange and terrifying world. Here, go join your people (http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page) and leave this thread.
On the subject of keys, I did some math. You can give yourself a 99.99% chance to get an unusual hat by opening about 700 crates. The interesting thing is that if 10000 TF2 players do that, there will statistically be 100 players that get no hats at all...
Post by: Matz05 on December 07, 2011, 01:06:39 pm
No flaming intended -- I'm fine with all sorts of people as long as they don't propogandize.
Post by: dragonshardz on December 07, 2011, 06:04:31 pm
Naw, "Homophobic" is a buzzword that can mean either any insult calling sexuality into question, or any dissaproval of militant homosexual activists.
Honestly, WHY!? Why not pick a better word? Plenty of buzzwords for the cause of the day are less misleading...
You must live in a strange and terrifying world. Here, go join your people (http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page) and leave this thread.
On the subject of keys, I did some math. You can give yourself a 99.99% chance to get an unusual hat by opening about 700 crates. The interesting thing is that if 10000 TF2 players do that, there will statistically be 100 players that get no hats at all...
Wow, that wiki is sad.
Post by: Enzo on December 07, 2011, 06:35:44 pm
Naw, "Homophobic" is a buzzword that can mean either any insult calling sexuality into question, or any dissaproval of militant homosexual activists.
Honestly, WHY!? Why not pick a better word? Plenty of buzzwords for the cause of the day are less misleading...
You must live in a strange and terrifying world. Here, go join your people (http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page) and leave this thread.
On the subject of keys, I did some math. You can give yourself a 99.99% chance to get an unusual hat by opening about 700 crates. The interesting thing is that if 10000 TF2 players do that, there will statistically be 100 players that get no hats at all...
Wow, that wiki is sad.
I think you mean to say it's fascinating and hilarious (http://conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_Relativity). Total derail, though.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 07, 2011, 06:42:12 pm
But back to the thread, I agree that Valve has done a laudable job balancing an honest, balanced F2P experience and making a reasonable amount of money.
Going even further back, did Mr. Mann ever beat up that ninja doctor?
Post by: Strangething on December 08, 2011, 12:21:24 am
(And that's assuming you mean ping, not latency. Ping is defined as the round-trip time; latency is the one-way time. The game displays ping on the scoreboard. If you actually meant latency... that's downright terrible! :P )
Uh, I'm looking at the column labeled "latency" in Steam's server widget.
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And yes, you can't do much with the Steam Community until you've paid money for a game. It's to prevent spammers signing up new accounts and posting everywhere.
That makes sense. I wonder if there's a cheap game I can pick up...
Post by: Untouchable on December 08, 2011, 01:32:00 pm
Post by: 3 on December 08, 2011, 01:50:43 pm
I'd say Shortstop, unless you really like the pistol for some reason.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 08, 2011, 01:54:26 pm
Hey, you know what needs to be added? A melee weapon with knock back. It doesn't need to do a lot of real damage, and it wouldn't be very good for outright killing, since you have to chase the enemy down every time you hit them, but it would be great for controlling melee combat in a new way, and for playing with near environmental hazards.
Maybe as an engie's weapon, so he has something fun to play with in Medieval mode. Since his weapon has a big effect on what he's building, there's lots of ways to balance it. Maybe -20% repair rate or something.
Post by: beorn080 on December 08, 2011, 04:28:03 pm
Maybe as an engie's weapon, so he has something fun to play with in Medieval mode. Since his weapon has a big effect on what he's building, there's lots of ways to balance it. Maybe -20% repair rate or something.Concussive Air Can
Can remove sappers, can't repair or upgrade buildings
Has airblast ability of pyro's main weapon
Deals normal damage in melee range
Post by: PTTG?? on December 08, 2011, 04:36:34 pm
I imagine a large wooden mallet would work.
Post by: beorn080 on December 08, 2011, 04:42:12 pm
Little too weak, I wouldn't use that at all without the ability to build. How about it has half the attack speed, which would translate into making it significantly worse for building and de-sappering?Too weak, even with airblast? Reflect rockets and grenades at the cost of needing a teammate to upgrade your buildings, plus enhanced melee and the knockback to shove things around?
I imagine a large wooden mallet would work.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 08, 2011, 05:02:35 pm
Post by: kg333 on December 09, 2011, 01:19:09 am
Little too weak, I wouldn't use that at all without the ability to build. How about it has half the attack speed, which would translate into making it significantly worse for building and de-sappering?Too weak, even with airblast? Reflect rockets and grenades at the cost of needing a teammate to upgrade your buildings, plus enhanced melee and the knockback to shove things around?
I imagine a large wooden mallet would work.
Unable to upgrade or repair? I'd never use it. If I'm going to need a teammate anyway, a pyro/engie combo seems it'd be a lot stronger than an engie/engie airblast combo. Particularly since pyro/engie can operate independently if needed, while an engie with a normal level 1 sentry isn't doing much.
KG
Post by: beorn080 on December 09, 2011, 01:49:53 am
Post by: LASD on December 14, 2011, 05:08:50 am
Post by: PTTG?? on December 14, 2011, 10:11:10 am
Post by: zekiel321 on December 14, 2011, 10:25:43 am
Post by: MrWiggles on December 14, 2011, 03:53:41 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 14, 2011, 03:58:27 pm
Meet the Pyro Video?
Hopefully. I remember reading that they had Meet the Pyro finished before Meet the Medic, or maybe I'm just remembering that wrong.
Have they actually implemented anything for Australian Christmas for this year? I want to play, but Terraria is very addictive right now...
Post by: Enzo on December 14, 2011, 04:43:59 pm
Have they actually implemented anything for Australian Christmas for this year? I want to play, but Terraria is very addictive right now...
Naughty Crates and Nice Crates. Presumably they'll each have a different set of community-made Christmas themed items, and they'll give everybody one free key like last year. Again, just guessing on that.
ALSO : The gun in the last panel (?) (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=160)
Post by: Untouchable on December 14, 2011, 05:34:57 pm
A strange degreaser and a hat. I really could have used something that I would actually use instead.
Post by: The Scout on December 14, 2011, 06:00:57 pm
Those two crates that I said that I had earlier?What you want for that Degreaser?
A strange degreaser and a hat. I really could have used something that I would actually use instead.
Post by: Untouchable on December 14, 2011, 06:08:01 pm
Those two crates that I said that I had earlier?What you want for that Degreaser?
A strange degreaser and a hat. I really could have used something that I would actually use instead.
Any scout or soldier weapon really. I've been mostly playing as them lately so anything is is nice.
Post by: The Scout on December 14, 2011, 06:27:36 pm
Is the Soda Popper good?Those two crates that I said that I had earlier?What you want for that Degreaser?
A strange degreaser and a hat. I really could have used something that I would actually use instead.
Any scout or soldier weapon really. I've been mostly playing as them lately so anything is is nice.
Post by: Untouchable on December 14, 2011, 06:33:21 pm
Is the Soda Popper good?Those two crates that I said that I had earlier?What you want for that Degreaser?
A strange degreaser and a hat. I really could have used something that I would actually use instead.
Any scout or soldier weapon really. I've been mostly playing as them lately so anything is is nice.
Unfortunatly, I've got that already. If you have any of the scouts melee weapons then that'll be awesome since I've only got his first bat.
Post by: MrWiggles on December 14, 2011, 06:37:19 pm
I wish a Strange Shortstop existed.
I already have a Strange Mad Milk.
Post by: 3 on December 14, 2011, 06:39:46 pm
If you have any of the scouts melee weapons then that'll be awesome since I've only got his first bat.
If you (or anyone else) wants a Strange Boston Basher, or a normal Machina, for free, post your Steam name. Both are too good to craft but I can't be bothered to trade them and I doubt anyone'd pay for the Basher anyway.
Post by: Untouchable on December 14, 2011, 06:42:38 pm
If you have any of the scouts melee weapons then that'll be awesome since I've only got his first bat.
If you (or anyone else) wants a Strange Boston Basher, or a normal Machina, for free, post your Steam name. Both are too good to craft but I can't be bothered to trade them and I doubt anyone'd pay for the Basher anyway.
Well, my steam name is unotuchable. Cheers for that then.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 14, 2011, 07:07:00 pm
Is the Soda Popper good?Those two crates that I said that I had earlier?What you want for that Degreaser?
A strange degreaser and a hat. I really could have used something that I would actually use instead.
Any scout or soldier weapon really. I've been mostly playing as them lately so anything is is nice.
Unfortunatly, I've got that already. If you have any of the scouts melee weapons then that'll be awesome since I've only got his first bat.
I would trade you the Fan O' War, or the Atomizer for a strange Degreaser. Hell, I'll even give you both if you want.
Post by: Untouchable on December 14, 2011, 07:12:11 pm
Is the Soda Popper good?Those two crates that I said that I had earlier?What you want for that Degreaser?
A strange degreaser and a hat. I really could have used something that I would actually use instead.
Any scout or soldier weapon really. I've been mostly playing as them lately so anything is is nice.
Unfortunatly, I've got that already. If you have any of the scouts melee weapons then that'll be awesome since I've only got his first bat.
I would trade you the Fan O' War, or the Atomizer for a strange Degreaser. Hell, I'll even give you both if you want.
That's a done deal then. Friend me on steam and we can do this then.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 14, 2011, 07:17:03 pm
Is the Soda Popper good?Those two crates that I said that I had earlier?What you want for that Degreaser?
A strange degreaser and a hat. I really could have used something that I would actually use instead.
Any scout or soldier weapon really. I've been mostly playing as them lately so anything is is nice.
Unfortunatly, I've got that already. If you have any of the scouts melee weapons then that'll be awesome since I've only got his first bat.
I would trade you the Fan O' War, or the Atomizer for a strange Degreaser. Hell, I'll even give you both if you want.
That's a done deal then. Friend me on steam and we can do this then.
Yeah, you'll have to friend me instead. Over 100 people have the name untouchable on Steam, and obviously I don't know which one is you.
Post by: 3 on December 14, 2011, 07:18:40 pm
Over 100 people have the name untouchable on Steam, and obviously I don't know which one is you.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 14, 2011, 07:19:59 pm
Over 100 people have the name untouchable on Steam, and obviously I don't know which one is you.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sorry, but I don't see it. Pointing it out would be nice right now.
Post by: Metalax on December 14, 2011, 10:32:54 pm
Info about the first half of the update ahs just gone up. The second half and the update itself is scheduled for tomorrow.
The engies new wrench is going to be fun for dealing with spies sapping your teleporter entry. Also an infinite ammo gun that saps medics ubercharge/spy cloak will be interesting to see in use.
Pyros new axe is an interesting anti medic weapon as you no longer need to pick whether to hit the medic or his target, not sure if the loss of the one hit kill of the axtinguisher is worth it though. New flamethrower has an interesting effect on being able to slef heal, but loss of airblast means that it's not likely to see much use once the novelty wears off.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 14, 2011, 11:00:20 pm
Post by: DarkerDark on December 14, 2011, 11:03:41 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/australianchristmas2011/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/australianchristmas2011/)
Info about the first half of the update ahs just gone up. The second half and the update itself is scheduled for tomorrow.
The engies new wrench is going to be fun for dealing with spies sapping your teleporter entry. Also an infinite ammo gun that saps medics ubercharge/spy cloak will be interesting to see in use.
Pyros new axe is an interesting anti medic weapon as you no longer need to pick whether to hit the medic or his target, not sure if the loss of the one hit kill of the axtinguisher is worth it though. New flamethrower has an interesting effect on being able to slef heal, but loss of airblast means that it's not likely to see much use once the novelty wears off.
Hmm... Not being able to carry buildings is a pretty big negative, in my opinion. I like to move my sentry gun every couple of kills to keep people on their toes. The other engie weapon sounds a lot better, though it still probably won't see much use in my weapon loadout.
And I agree with your assessment about the axe, the axtinguisher will always be superior unless fighting other pyros, but then you'd just use the shotgun. The new flamethrower looks like it was designed to be used with the new shotgun replacement. It's basically a fire extinguisher that gives you crits for every flaming teammate you put out. Actually, it might be interesting to use that with the Degreaser, you know, give it some more killing power.
Oh wait! What if you used that fire extinguishing gun with the new axe? Basically you save up the crits to give to your new axe, providing crits on demand, meaning you can take out a heavy AND his medic in a single go. Heck, you could even use it against other pyros effectively! Hmm... the possibilities.
Post by: Dermonster on December 14, 2011, 11:16:47 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 14, 2011, 11:27:03 pm
The flamethrower will probably provide minicrits to everything for its duration though, so that could be handy for every weapon available. The Powerjack might be less crummy. It would also provide bonus damage to the new axe, possibly two-hitting medics by proxy.
Post by: HailFire on December 15, 2011, 01:02:27 am
Post by: Metalax on December 15, 2011, 10:49:52 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/australianchristmas2011/part2.html (http://www.teamfortress.com/australianchristmas2011/part2.html)
and a new comic
http://www.teamfortress.com/asmissmasstory/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/asmissmasstory/)
Edit: DFC server has been updated.
There are currently no recipies for any of the new weapons. The engineer/pyro weapons can apparently be crafted using tokens, but no weapon specific recipies yet. The christmassy weapons are crate exclusive for the next week, then they will apparently become available to be dropped/crafted.
You also get a free unlimited usee winter noisemaker once you start up after updating.
Post by: TherosPherae on December 16, 2011, 01:07:54 am
The new wrench has a few-second delay before teleport, and it is possible to kill you before you can escape. However, it should still be handy for certain nest-engies. Plus the teleport is amusing.
The new Pyro secondary is basically the Diamondback version of the Flare Gun. You have to extinguish teammates to get crits for it, instead of getting crits for hitting people on fire. Otherwise, it seems to be identical to a flaregun. So unless you see your teammates getting lit on fire everywhere, or you use the flaregun and find its only fault to be running out of ammo, the new Pyro secondary is fairly useless. Amusing regardless, though.
I sold the wrench for a hat and I'm going to go offload the new Pyro secondary on someone now.
Post by: Dwarfaholic on December 16, 2011, 01:25:47 am
Post by: TherosPherae on December 16, 2011, 01:55:05 am
By what I understand, the new gun actually has an alt-fire extinguishing capability.Well damn, guess I should have tried alt-fire before I sold it. Oh well, I'll get another one eventually.
Post by: MrWiggles on December 16, 2011, 05:09:07 am
I just went through scraping my duplicate weapons too. So I'm a little short after buying a Three Rune Blade.
I've manage to craft the Wrench. I like it. Its not very twinkable, in a sense, you can just go home whenever you've found under fire. BUT, it makes doing the spawn trip for metal much better.
Post by: Flying Carcass on December 16, 2011, 07:33:57 am
Post by: Dwarfaholic on December 16, 2011, 08:34:20 am
By what I understand, the new gun actually has an alt-fire extinguishing capability.Well damn, guess I should have tried alt-fire before I sold it. Oh well, I'll get another one eventually.
It is better to have owned and traded, than to never have owned at all.
Post by: DJ on December 16, 2011, 09:59:50 am
Woah, the spycicle looks like a very powerful weapon.Yeah, it sounds like it'd be awesome with DR.
Post by: Repulsion on December 16, 2011, 10:40:58 am
Wait, the icicle will have unique attributes?Woah, the spycicle looks like a very powerful weapon.Yeah, it sounds like it'd be awesome with DR.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 16, 2011, 10:53:08 am
Post by: Metalax on December 16, 2011, 10:53:44 am
Post by: PTTG?? on December 16, 2011, 11:05:07 am
EDIT: Also:
All Father + Dragonborn Helmet = Urist
Post by: Metalax on December 16, 2011, 11:14:12 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on December 16, 2011, 12:20:14 pm
Apparently the holiday punch also has the heavies kill taunt, so you can get a crit hit from behind then taunt kill them while they are stuck laughing.
HEAVY IS SPY!
Post by: Ahra on December 16, 2011, 04:35:56 pm
Post by: Strange guy on December 16, 2011, 04:49:51 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 16, 2011, 05:12:52 pm
any tips on playing pyro? just started.
First off:
If you see a team-mate on fire, right click at him from within a few paces. This will extinguish him. This is triply important for medics.
If you see anyone, anyone at all, acting suspicious or acting suspiciously inconspicuous, light them on fire. If they are an enemy spy, they'll combust.
Hang around engie nests and puff everybody. If you get the sledgehammer, make sure it's equipped and you can even remove sappers.
Your right-click ability- the airblast- is a powerful way to control close-range combat and reflect projectiles. I am far from skilled with it. It can send enemies hurtling through the air, and can reflect rockets, bombs, baseballs, and other projectiles back to the origin. On impact, the projectile can damage the firer. It is a high-tier element to master, but quite rewarding.
Post by: Untouchable on December 16, 2011, 06:44:09 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on December 16, 2011, 08:19:43 pm
So what's the deal with the little presents around the maps?
If you collect three, you get an achievement.
Post by: MrWiggles on December 16, 2011, 08:31:18 pm
Other than the heavy mittens (which are awesome) and the engie wrench the stats for the weapons are all terrible ideas. I would say I expected better but since the Tomislav and its original stats I can't honestly believe that Valve understands and cares about balance. Models are nice (perhaps not fitting with the original theme but that ship sailed long ago), and I really liked the comics for this update. I would be playing to check out the new map and take advantage of double drops but steams not working at the moment for me (not even offline mode, so not even any New Vegas for me :() .
The models fit with their package. And they're still in line, with the psedo 50-60s era that TF2 takes place in. These are just the retro future guns of the era.
And, playing with the new weapons, and being attacked by them. They aren't really OP. Wrench isn't an automatic get out of jail free card.
Pyro feels stronger with his new primary, but its range is shorter then the flamethrower (it feels like), and the "MMmm" bar, giving health and crits, is just reenforcing the ambush and dive in gameplay that's popular with the pyro. Pyros will often jump onto a point with tons of enemies, to set them all ablaze (fucking fun), and to hold off the point capture. This, just makes them more affective on their own, which the pyro generally is.
The handgun (for the pyro), isn't OP. Being able to extinguish with it, is nice, since you cant do it with the primary anymore. It even rewards you for doing so, by giving you mini crits for it. Which is nice, considering, that air blasting isn't rewarded in the game proper. (I personally like Servers that give server points for extinguishing team mates.)
I havent gotten to play with the axe very much yet. I got either borrow one again, or craft it. (And crafting this new weapons are /fucking/ expensive. I went through getting a class token, slot token and a scrap... and I got a fucking back burner.)
Post by: Repulsion on December 16, 2011, 08:56:59 pm
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(And crafting this new weapons are /fucking/ expensive. I went through getting a class token, slot token and a scrap... and I got a fucking back burner.)
Tell me about it. Backburners, backburners everywhere.
Post by: Xotes on December 17, 2011, 12:29:10 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 17, 2011, 12:39:54 am
Didn't the site say that you can only get the new stuff from crates for this week? Afterwards they're available for everyone, but for right now you gotta shell out cash for keys.The new festive items can only come from crates. The pyro and engineer stuff you can randomly craft and find. Hopefully we get a recipe for them in a week when the festive stuff enters the random craft and drop lists.
The only iffy weapon I have experienced so far is the icicle, but if you have a halfway competent team for spychecking it isn't a problem. If you can take down cloaked spies 50% of the time as any class other than Pyro the pros of it are nulified.
Every other weapon is either weaker feeling or has some oddity to it not listed that keeps it from getting too useful. Like the wrench having a charge up time of a second and a half, or the pyro requiring a taunt before activating crit mode, or the new flare gun seeimgly working like the normal flare gun with a crit mechanic? I'm sure I was critted by that through being on fire, so I'll have to look into that one.
It's a fine update, my only beef is with the new map having a pretty rough transition from the second to center point.
Post by: MrWiggles on December 17, 2011, 04:47:56 am
Post by: Strange guy on December 17, 2011, 06:30:46 am
The models fit with their package. And they're still in line, with the psedo 50-60s era that TF2 takes place in. These are just the retro future guns of the era.
And, playing with the new weapons, and being attacked by them. They aren't really OP. Wrench isn't an automatic get out of jail free card.
Pyro feels stronger with his new primary, but its range is shorter then the flamethrower (it feels like), and the "MMmm" bar, giving health and crits, is just reenforcing the ambush and dive in gameplay that's popular with the pyro. Pyros will often jump onto a point with tons of enemies, to set them all ablaze (fucking fun), and to hold off the point capture. This, just makes them more affective on their own, which the pyro generally is.
The handgun (for the pyro), isn't OP. Being able to extinguish with it, is nice, since you cant do it with the primary anymore. It even rewards you for doing so, by giving you mini crits for it. Which is nice, considering, that air blasting isn't rewarded in the game proper. (I personally like Servers that give server points for extinguishing team mates.)
I havent gotten to play with the axe very much yet. I got either borrow one again, or craft it. (And crafting this new weapons are /fucking/ expensive. I went through getting a class token, slot token and a scrap... and I got a fucking back burner.)
While does have futuristic tech in 50/60s packaging (eg medigun, engineer buildings) they do have a very different style to the Dr. Grordbort's items, being more 'spytech' than 'retro futuristic', but as I said this has been ignored and broken enough already to not be cared about.
Never said they were OP (but some are) and said I liked the wrench.
I liked the idea of a righteous bison type weapon for pyro but giving it extinguishing because the new flamethrower has no airblast (and no real airblast replacement...) and a gimmicky way of getting criticals based on it? Apparently it works a lot like the flare guns, which isn't very interesting. Third degree encourages medics to stop healing as a pyro with it attacks them, which I think is silly. Uber drain and cloak drain are bad ideas, and the new knife is a bit like the fire proof suit idea that people have often been bringing up and has kept being a horrible idea. It isn't quite as bad, but doesn't really have any downsides either...
Post by: Mr.Person on December 17, 2011, 08:01:13 am
Which is good, my first drop of the week was that axe. Let's see just how annoying it really is.
Post by: jester on December 17, 2011, 08:22:58 am
The models fit with their package. And they're still in line, with the psedo 50-60s era that TF2 takes place in. These are just the retro future guns of the era.
And, playing with the new weapons, and being attacked by them. They aren't really OP. Wrench isn't an automatic get out of jail free card.
Pyro feels stronger with his new primary, but its range is shorter then the flamethrower (it feels like), and the "MMmm" bar, giving health and crits, is just reenforcing the ambush and dive in gameplay that's popular with the pyro. Pyros will often jump onto a point with tons of enemies, to set them all ablaze (fucking fun), and to hold off the point capture. This, just makes them more affective on their own, which the pyro generally is.
The handgun (for the pyro), isn't OP. Being able to extinguish with it, is nice, since you cant do it with the primary anymore. It even rewards you for doing so, by giving you mini crits for it. Which is nice, considering, that air blasting isn't rewarded in the game proper. (I personally like Servers that give server points for extinguishing team mates.)
I havent gotten to play with the axe very much yet. I got either borrow one again, or craft it. (And crafting this new weapons are /fucking/ expensive. I went through getting a class token, slot token and a scrap... and I got a fucking back burner.)
While does have futuristic tech in 50/60s packaging (eg medigun, engineer buildings) they do have a very different style to the Dr. Grordbort's items, being more 'spytech' than 'retro futuristic', but as I said this has been ignored and broken enough already to not be cared about.
Never said they were OP (but some are) and said I liked the wrench.
I liked the idea of a righteous bison type weapon for pyro but giving it extinguishing because the new flamethrower has no airblast (and no real airblast replacement...) and a gimmicky way of getting criticals based on it? Apparently it works a lot like the flare guns, which isn't very interesting. Third degree encourages medics to stop healing as a pyro with it attacks them, which I think is silly. Uber drain and cloak drain are bad ideas, and the new knife is a bit like the fire proof suit idea that people have often been bringing up and has kept being a horrible idea. It isn't quite as bad, but doesn't really have any downsides either...
new flare for pyro is lower powered than the flaregun generally, 3rd degree requires that a pyro be good enough to take on a combo, its a skill/reward deal. and whats the problem with engis being able to drop the level of cloak and uber? slows down the idiot dr spys who think running strait in is tactical, and if the engi is able to get shots into a medic then good luck to him
Post by: Strange guy on December 17, 2011, 02:27:57 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 17, 2011, 02:38:53 pm
The new engineer gun makes you completely unable to defend yourself at close range and a good medic for building ubers usually stays out of the line of fire of such attacks. When they reveal themselves they'll probably be ubered. If they are a combat medic that stays on the front lines their main focus is on healing, not uber. And finally they are slow projectiles that are difficult to utilize, and I don't think being hit by one part of the three-part shot will drain all 10%, probably 3.5% each.
Spy cloak can be hampered, but there is still quite enough to use what you have left to escape. Unless an engineer has you cornered and is chasing you, in which case just shoot him. He honestly can't out-damage you.
I'll agree that the spy knife could use some work, but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. So long as he still shimmers when hit and people can track worth a damn most classes can still take him out no problem.
Post by: Metalax on December 21, 2011, 08:40:30 pm
The dfc server has been updated for those who want to play this early in the morning.
edit: meh still no craft recipies for the new weapons.
Post by: Orangebottle on December 21, 2011, 09:59:50 pm
Also, I was a spy earlier and I got near an engie nest and suddenly started shimmering. Any idea what that was about?
EDIT: I still had half of my cloak left
Post by: Enzo on December 21, 2011, 10:21:37 pm
Also, I was a spy earlier and I got near an engie nest and suddenly started shimmering. Any idea what that was about?
EDIT: I still had half of my cloak left
Someone bumping into you from behind, or another spy bumping into you?
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2011, 12:03:22 am
Post by: Orangebottle on December 22, 2011, 12:04:57 am
EDIT: nevermind found it
Post by: PTTG?? on December 22, 2011, 12:56:17 am
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 22, 2011, 10:55:53 pm
edit: there was one person on
Post by: PTTG?? on December 23, 2011, 06:47:27 pm
We're going to do this again. Tomorrow, on Christmas eve, I'll open two pile's o' gifts under two conditions:
-The server is full
-Someone else opens one too
Christmas eve, at 12:00 PST (20:00 GMT). Be on the server then and get two presents!
Post by: MrWiggles on December 23, 2011, 06:57:32 pm
ONE MORE TIME NOW!
We're going to do this again. Tomorrow, on Christmas eve, I'll open two pile's o' gifts under two conditions:
-The server is full
-Someone else opens one too
Christmas eve, at 12:00 PST (20:00 GMT). Be on the server then and get two presents!
I'm there.
Post by: LASD on December 23, 2011, 07:02:51 pm
ONE MORE TIME NOW!
We're going to do this again. Tomorrow, on Christmas eve, I'll open two pile's o' gifts under two conditions:
-The server is full
-Someone else opens one too
Christmas eve, at 12:00 PST (20:00 GMT). Be on the server then and get two presents!
Are you an officer on the DFC Steam Group? If not, this definitely warrants it. An event or announcement should do nicely for this event and will definitely get the server full.
I can also promote this on the thread title and OP if you want.
I can't sadly join the event tho, over here in Scandinavia, Christmas Eve IS the Christmas. So I'm nowhere near my proper comp. Anyway, you guys have fun, I would definitely pop a couple Secret Saxtons if I could.
EDIT: 2 am now, so I'll update the OP in the morning if desired.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 23, 2011, 07:08:17 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on December 23, 2011, 07:47:55 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 23, 2011, 08:57:41 pm
Whats there to be catious over the keys?
The fact that I have to spend real money on them.
Post by: MrWiggles on December 23, 2011, 08:59:14 pm
So you're cautious about spending the money then? Its optional. You dont have to spend any money on them.Whats there to be catious over the keys?
The fact that I have to spend real money on them.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 24, 2011, 01:38:10 am
ONE MORE TIME NOW!
We're going to do this again. Tomorrow, on Christmas eve, I'll open two pile's o' gifts under two conditions:
-The server is full
-Someone else opens one too
Christmas eve, at 12:00 PST (20:00 GMT). Be on the server then and get two presents!
Are you an officer on the DFC Steam Group? If not, this definitely warrants it. An event or announcement should do nicely for this event and will definitely get the server full.
I can also promote this on the thread title and OP if you want.
I can't sadly join the event tho, over here in Scandinavia, Christmas Eve IS the Christmas. So I'm nowhere near my proper comp. Anyway, you guys have fun, I would definitely pop a couple Secret Saxtons if I could.
EDIT: 2 am now, so I'll update the OP in the morning if desired.
Thanks! Please do updated the OP.
Actually, I'm not a member of the DFC group. Send me an invite!
Post by: Bdthemag on December 24, 2011, 04:46:07 am
I believe you can just look up the DFC Community on steam and then join it, pretty sure it's a public group.ONE MORE TIME NOW!
We're going to do this again. Tomorrow, on Christmas eve, I'll open two pile's o' gifts under two conditions:
-The server is full
-Someone else opens one too
Christmas eve, at 12:00 PST (20:00 GMT). Be on the server then and get two presents!
Are you an officer on the DFC Steam Group? If not, this definitely warrants it. An event or announcement should do nicely for this event and will definitely get the server full.
I can also promote this on the thread title and OP if you want.
I can't sadly join the event tho, over here in Scandinavia, Christmas Eve IS the Christmas. So I'm nowhere near my proper comp. Anyway, you guys have fun, I would definitely pop a couple Secret Saxtons if I could.
EDIT: 2 am now, so I'll update the OP in the morning if desired.
Thanks! Please do updated the OP.
Actually, I'm not a member of the DFC group. Send me an invite!
Post by: Metalax on December 24, 2011, 05:31:48 am
Steam group is http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress)
Event is up for 19:30 pm to give people time to get on, server password is dwarf.
Post by: LASD on December 24, 2011, 06:22:59 am
Post by: MrWiggles on December 24, 2011, 01:28:29 pm
Fuck.
Looks like I'm not gonna be able to make it.
Post by: ukulele on December 24, 2011, 02:15:34 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 24, 2011, 02:37:10 pm
Post by: Enzo on December 24, 2011, 02:41:03 pm
Looks like that's happening at like 4 or 5 AM here (Kentucky, Eastern Standard Time). I'll make sure to be on.
I thought it was like...right now.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 24, 2011, 03:05:35 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 24, 2011, 03:23:42 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on December 24, 2011, 04:09:31 pm
I lost my connection to the server.
Then when I rejoin, its full.
Balls.
Post by: umiman on December 24, 2011, 04:12:47 pm
Post by: The Scout on December 24, 2011, 04:26:46 pm
Post by: Metalax on December 24, 2011, 04:29:35 pm
Post by: TherosPherae on December 24, 2011, 04:34:38 pm
Thank you, and a Merry Christmas to you all.
Post by: Enzo on December 24, 2011, 04:56:43 pm
PTTG gave me a Team Captain.
Oh wow. You won Christmas.
Thanks to all the gift givers and merry Smissmas! That was a fun few rounds.
Post by: The Scout on December 24, 2011, 04:57:36 pm
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 24, 2011, 06:28:20 pm
If we do this again and I make it, I'll buy two presents and open them. Just to grow my heart to the next rank. Also to give people free stuff.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 24, 2011, 09:50:19 pm
Crappy christmas scout weapon. I paid money for this.
Post by: HLBeta on December 24, 2011, 10:30:11 pm
Awh yeah pyro milestone 1! Celebratory unboxing gets...Annnnd this is exactly why I ignore crates.
Crappy christmas scout weapon. I paid money for this.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 24, 2011, 10:38:10 pm
Awh yeah pyro milestone 1! Celebratory unboxing gets...Annnnd this is exactly why I ignore crates.
Crappy christmas scout weapon. I paid money for this.
This is exactly why I'm never opening a crate again.
Post by: The Scout on December 24, 2011, 10:41:09 pm
Awh yeah pyro milestone 1! Celebratory unboxing gets...I'll take it. :D
Crappy christmas scout weapon. I paid money for this.
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 24, 2011, 10:49:12 pm
Awh yeah pyro milestone 1! Celebratory unboxing gets...I'll take it. :D
Crappy christmas scout weapon. I paid money for this.
Oh, really? Let's take this to the trading thread I guess?
Post by: Putnam on December 24, 2011, 11:00:26 pm
Oh yeah, TF2 life's good. Blue text don't matter none to me :P
Post by: PTTG?? on December 25, 2011, 06:30:58 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 25, 2011, 07:19:09 pm
You can give me your crates. I pay 1 scrap for 16 crates.I'll watch that offer.
Post by: DarkerDark on December 26, 2011, 06:50:19 pm
You can give me your crates. I pay 1 scrap for 16 crates.
My inventory is full so I need to get rid of my crates. I've deleted like 10 in the last couple of playing sessions. I still have series #1 crates laying around. If you want them, you can have them.
Post by: Orangebottle on December 26, 2011, 10:13:27 pm
You can give me your crates. I pay 1 scrap for 16 crates.I have a lot of crates to get rid of too. Trade me~
Post by: PTTG?? on December 27, 2011, 01:13:03 am
Post by: The Scout on December 27, 2011, 11:04:18 pm
1 4
3 8's
4 7's
1 17
1 29
3 31's
Post by: MrWiggles on December 28, 2011, 12:27:53 am
1 #20
2 #23
2 #24
1 #25
6 #26
5 #27
2 #28
5 #29
2 #31
4 #32
1 #34
Post by: DarkerDark on December 28, 2011, 01:11:11 pm
Send me an invite if you're interested. Darkerdark, you may have some very valuable crates. Talk to me and we'll see what you have. I really hope you haven't deleted any #19's.
Alrighty, I'll send you an invite. Expect a friend request from Reshig. I have no idea which ones I deleted, all I know is that I deleted duplicates.
Post by: UltraValican on January 11, 2012, 05:37:58 pm
What do?
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 11, 2012, 05:40:05 pm
I have over 50 hours logged into this game, and I still suck!
What do?
Elaborate. What parts/classes do you suck at specifically? What kinds of kill-ratios are you getting? What servers do you frequent? We need more information.
Post by: UltraValican on January 11, 2012, 06:54:10 pm
I usualy play Soildier/Demoman/Heavy.I have over 50 hours logged into this game, and I still suck!
What do?Keep at it.
Elaborate. What parts/classes do you suck at specifically? What kinds of kill-ratios are you getting? What servers do you frequent? We need more information.
I usually play on random servers.
My most frequent ones are BigBangGamers(Friend that got me into TF2 and DF community server)
I don't know how to view kill ratio.
Scouts and spies will make me rage quit. Spies with
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Enzo on January 11, 2012, 07:10:19 pm
I usualy play Soildier/Demoman/Heavy.
I usually play on random servers.
My most frequent ones are BigBangGamers(Friend that got me into TF2 and DF community server)
I don't know how to view kill ratio.
Scouts and spies will make me rage quit. Spies within particularSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Press Tab to view the scoreboard. Your Kills and Deaths, among other things, are at the bottom.
Skilled Scoots are annoying always. If you can stay locked on as a heavy they shouldn't pose much risk, as explosive classes just launch rockets/stickies at the ground between you and hope you can anticipate where they're going. Or use the Soldiers shotty.
Turn around frequently and spycheck anyone on your team until you've seen them attack. Spycheck by running into teammates - spies will bump into you. Always assume spies are Dead Ringing unless you kill them while cloaked, or see them decloak right before you kill them. Viewing the scoreboard can also identify DR's, they won't register as a kill. I don't bother doing that, though. Freak out and flail around shooting whenever you hear the Spy decloak noise. Also, playing DR spy a bit will help you identify their patterns, so I recommend that. I've been backstabbed a lot less frequently since I learned to play spy.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 11, 2012, 07:16:27 pm
Playing against scouts can be very annoying sometimes, especially as a soldier, demoman or heavy. Heavy is probably the easiest out of the three classes to kill scouts with, especially if you catch one out in the open. If you can manage to hit a scout with a burst from your minigun you'll usually kill him pretty quickly, especially if he's at close range. Therefore most scouts will try to attack from behind or the sides. Keep your minigun revved up as much as possible and always check your surroundings. If you need the extra mobility, use the shotgun and run back to spawn. Eventually you'll meet another teammate who can help you out. Soldier is probably the next easiest against the scout. At longer ranges just duck behind some cover. Generally a scout will be too quick for you to hit with a rocket. At closer ranges you'll want either the rocket launcher or shotgun, depending on your preference. Using the rocket launcher at close range seems kinda idiotic, but remember that you have more health than the scout and can take the splash damage. A direct hit will either kill the scout completely, or damage him enough that a weak breeze could kill him. According to the wiki, getting to higher ground helps too. Demoman is the worst class to fight scout as. Retreat into a building to force him to follow you and hopefully fall into a stickytrap. Grenade spam is very useful to keep the scout away long enough for help to arrive.
FAKE EDIT: NINJA'D
I usualy play Soildier/Demoman/Heavy.
I usually play on random servers.
My most frequent ones are BigBangGamers(Friend that got me into TF2 and DF community server)
I don't know how to view kill ratio.
Scouts and spies will make me rage quit. Spies within particularSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Press Tab to view the scoreboard. Your Kills and Deaths, among other things, are at the bottom.
Skilled Scoots are annoying always. If you can stay locked on as a heavy they shouldn't pose much risk, as explosive classes just launch rockets/stickies at the ground between you and hope you can anticipate where they're going. Or use the Soldiers shotty.
Turn around frequently and spycheck anyone on your team until you've seen them attack. Spycheck by running into teammates - spies will bump into you. Always assume spies are Dead Ringing unless you kill them while cloaked, or see them decloak right before you kill them. Viewing the scoreboard can also identify DR's, they won't register as a kill. I don't bother doing that, though. Freak out and flail around shooting whenever you hear the Spy decloak noise. Also, playing DR spy a bit will help you identify their patterns, so I recommend that. I've been backstabbed a lot less frequently since I learned to play spy.
Dead Ringer Spies never drop a weapon either. After you kill a spy, run over its corpse to see if you collect any ammo. If you don't, then it's probably a Dead Ringer Spy. The good news is that you now know he's there. As always, check your back often and shoot any suspicious allies. Hell, shot non-suspicious ones too. Stick close to any confirmed allies too. They'll help with checking your back, and will help intimidate the Spy. That way he'll look for some other guy to attack.
Also: TF2 Official Wiki's strategy page is your friend. (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Strategy)
Post by: jester on January 12, 2012, 01:34:44 am
In terms of getting better: PLAY MEDIC. 90% of wins are because of a medic. Building uber also teaches you not to die (being harder to hit makes you alot better as a player), you can also spend most of your time healing the better players on the team (hit tab to see who is topscoring/high on the table) and see what they do/dont do
Post by: Enzo on January 12, 2012, 01:50:36 am
Dead Ringer Spies never drop a weapon either. After you kill a spy, run over its corpse to see if you collect any ammo. If you don't, then it's probably a Dead Ringer Spy.
To be clear, they do drop a weapon, it just doesn't provide ammo. Frequently I see a gun on the ground run over my old corpse to try and refill my DR, and then I'm like...Oh, right.
Post by: Ahra on January 12, 2012, 02:35:52 am
Post by: Siquo on January 12, 2012, 09:10:54 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 12, 2012, 09:14:45 am
I have alot of PURE TROLLING setups like this, it makes me smile.
I don't really like the DR as an item, though. Too situational, the invis watch is much better more of the time.
Post by: Siquo on January 12, 2012, 09:39:53 am
Post by: Putnam on January 12, 2012, 10:01:52 am
Post by: The Scout on January 12, 2012, 10:07:35 am
Post by: Putnam on January 12, 2012, 10:08:58 am
:3 I don't like the IW, cause random shooting can still reveal you. DR, nothing can reveal you except blocking some person from moving. And the Enforcer. Dear god, love that gun. and DR is a must to use it.
Nah, stick to alternate routes with lots of ammo (map makers often make maps with spies in mind!) and cloak a half second before you normally would and you're golden.
Post by: 3 on January 12, 2012, 10:10:31 am
Nah, I've got a video in which I'm just running laps with the DR: get behind, stabstab fakedeath repeat. Especially against less experienced players it's devastating.
Again, I'll recommend the BE specifically for this purpose.
Another semi-trollish setup I thought of a while ago: Shortstop + Crit-a-Cola + Fan O'War. Endless damage falloff abuse.
Post by: Werdna on January 12, 2012, 11:17:50 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on January 12, 2012, 11:27:35 am
Also this bazaar bargain change is making me consider using it.(Misses no longer completely reset the head count, just drop it by 1)
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 12, 2012, 05:16:46 pm
Also this bazaar bargain change is making me consider using it.(Misses no longer completely reset the head count, just drop it by 1)I still thought this was already in effect...
Post by: PTTG?? on January 12, 2012, 05:19:04 pm
I'm still holding on to my hundreds of crates though.
Post by: Cecilff2 on January 13, 2012, 11:55:06 am
#1336
so close...
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 13, 2012, 05:14:26 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 13, 2012, 05:27:51 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on January 13, 2012, 06:39:14 pm
I love the firing animation for the new pyro wep. Its pretty.
Post by: Exerosp on January 14, 2012, 11:13:41 am
Post by: Angel Of Death on January 14, 2012, 08:45:13 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 14, 2012, 09:43:29 pm
Post by: The Scout on January 14, 2012, 09:56:36 pm
Post by: Angel Of Death on January 14, 2012, 10:20:24 pm
Post by: The Scout on January 14, 2012, 10:43:39 pm
I don't think the sniper class is for me. I usually get bored with it very quickly and I'm just naturally shit at it. Anyone have tips for playing as a spy instead?Dead Ringer, Spycicle, and the Enforcer. You are the thing that makes grown men cry.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 14, 2012, 10:56:18 pm
I don't think the sniper class is for me. I usually get bored with it very quickly and I'm just naturally shit at it. Anyone have tips for playing as a spy instead?Always consider if a situation allows for using a revolver instead of the knife, if you can pop someone with one or two shots from a blind spot, it's probably better than exposing yourself by stabbing.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 14, 2012, 11:01:34 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 15, 2012, 02:04:52 am
Post by: Enzo on January 15, 2012, 02:18:04 am
I don't think the sniper class is for me. I usually get bored with it very quickly and I'm just naturally shit at it. Anyone have tips for playing as a spy instead?
I feel the same way about (Rifle) Sniper, it plays too slow and doesn't feel satisfying so I have no desire to get good at it. (Huntsman) Sniper is another matter entirely. Arrows are fun.
Tips for playing spy? When disguised:
Always face the direction that the other team would be facing, even if it means running backwards.
Turn around periodically, both the get a fuller view of your surroundings and to look like you're checking for enemy spy's (ei: you) behind you.
Don't call medic when you're disguised as someone who's not damaged. You might fool the medic momentarily, but most players immediately spycheck a teammate who does this.
Enemy dispensers refill your health + cloak, charge up before you start sapping stuff.
Also:
Get good at sidestabs. Run beside someone, quickly turn and stab. Playing spy on Degroot is actually kind of good for practicing this, since it's basically all you'll be doing.
Pick a type of cloak and stick with it. The three different watches have drastically different playstyles, get used to one first. Revolvers and knives can mostly be interchanged without drastic changes to play.
Regardless of what cloak your using, find corners with minimal visibility for uncloaking.
Stab -> Quickswitch -> Sap. Learn to do it. Spies who don't make Engineers lives hell aren't doing their job properly.
Actually, there's probably all sorts of stuff I could say. I'll leave it there. Also, use the Connivers Kunai. It is OP.
Post by: Putnam on January 15, 2012, 02:20:29 am
Disguise as scout once you learn the map well enough to stay disguised constantly with ammo. It's the smallest model, and people shouldn't be seeing you much unless in kill-cams.
Post by: MrWiggles on January 15, 2012, 02:29:18 am
It's very important to stay cloaked as long as possible once you are.I dont know, spy scouts stick out like a sore thumb to me. They're noticably arent as fast, they dont jump around, ect ect. To me, the spy is least capable of emulating the scout.
Disguise as scout once you learn the map well enough to stay disguised constantly with ammo. It's the smallest model, and people shouldn't be seeing you much unless in kill-cams.
Post by: Putnam on January 15, 2012, 03:09:55 am
It's very important to stay cloaked as long as possible once you are.I dont know, spy scouts stick out like a sore thumb to me. They're noticably arent as fast, they dont jump around, ect ect. To me, the spy is least capable of emulating the scout.
Disguise as scout once you learn the map well enough to stay disguised constantly with ammo. It's the smallest model, and people shouldn't be seeing you much unless in kill-cams.
Like I was saying, you shouldn't be seen at all. The amount of time you'll be seen running around as scout disguise is only the amount of time it'll take to uncloak, stab, do whatever, then cloak again. If you know all the ammo spots on the map, it's pretty easy.
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 15, 2012, 08:40:47 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 15, 2012, 09:24:51 pm
I'd disagree. If you get seen, they'll almost immediately pick you for a spy, whilst if you're a demoman or pyro you'll have a bit of a grace period to get the hell out of there. Sure, you should try to avoid being seen at all but there's periods where you need to be visible and in those periods, it's better to have a disguise that won't make you stick out so badly. The slightly smaller frame isn't worth it.
If you get seen, you'll be almost immediately picked as a spy anyway. Anyone who isn't attacking or walking through their own team's stuff is going to be spychecked anyway, so the disguise being convincing is pretty moot.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on January 15, 2012, 09:26:44 pm
Why, I hear you ask?
1) No spy will disguise as a heavy normally, because of the speed nerf that applies when you're not in cloak, and most people are aware of this. Thus, less suspicion.
2) Because your primary requires spinning up and slowing yourself right down, people won't expect you to be shooting randomly (compared to, say, pyro).
3) The aforementioned speed nerf does NOT apply when cloaked, thus for most of your trip, you'll be fine.
4) Medics like you.
Post by: Putnam on January 15, 2012, 10:41:26 pm
Disguise as a heavy.
Why, I hear you ask?
1) No spy will disguise as a heavy normally, because of the speed nerf that applies when you're not in cloak, and most people are aware of this. Thus, less suspicion.
2) Because your primary requires spinning up and slowing yourself right down, people won't expect you to be shooting randomly (compared to, say, pyro).
3) The aforementioned speed nerf does NOT apply when cloaked, thus for most of your trip, you'll be fine.
4) Medics like you.
Good luck backstabbing anything ever then >_>
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 15, 2012, 10:58:20 pm
Not necessarily true, while you indeed will have issues backstabbing a moving force, one which is rooted in place will be much more prone to your attack, typically if you are going to use the heavy disguise, do so when the enemy is on the defense, or in a staging area.Disguise as a heavy.
Why, I hear you ask?
1) No spy will disguise as a heavy normally, because of the speed nerf that applies when you're not in cloak, and most people are aware of this. Thus, less suspicion.
2) Because your primary requires spinning up and slowing yourself right down, people won't expect you to be shooting randomly (compared to, say, pyro).
3) The aforementioned speed nerf does NOT apply when cloaked, thus for most of your trip, you'll be fine.
4) Medics like you.
Good luck backstabbing anything ever then >_>
Post by: Orangebottle on January 15, 2012, 11:58:24 pm
Spoiler: Demoman-related stuff. (click to show/hide)
So, does anyone else hate melee huntsman snipers?
Those annoying jerks who fire an arrow into your skull from right next to you.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 16, 2012, 12:05:50 am
More like "good luck getting to the enemy base ever", what with random spychecks.Well of course you shouldn't be using the heavy disguise while in transit, use it once you're actually in the appropriate area, you CAN change disguises after all.(Unless you are using the YER)
Post by: Putnam on January 16, 2012, 12:16:20 am
ANYWAY.Spoiler: Demoman-related stuff. (click to show/hide)
So, does anyone else hate melee huntsman snipers?
Those annoying jerks who fire an arrow into your skull from right next to you.
I'm saying that there shouldn't be random spychecks, since you're going to be CLOAKED and not DISGUISED.
It's extremely easy to remain cloaked with the IW if you know the map and just keep moving.
See here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC-1ITQNZdY) for some shitty footage of what I mean\
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 16, 2012, 01:24:46 am
Post by: Putnam on January 16, 2012, 01:39:37 am
I like to keep track of the metal around the map. When I'm not running in circles defending, I'm usually watching the metal spawns. If they randomly dissapear, I start spamming fire. Spies should keep note of pyros who do this when they start spyin' it up. Try to grab metal when they leave, or when you have enough time to put distance between you and your roasted ass.
The good part is that most pyros are ignorant of spy strategy and assume they're all DR or C&D :P
Post by: Orangebottle on January 16, 2012, 05:00:29 am
I'm saying that there shouldn't be random spychecks, since you're going to be CLOAKED and not DISGUISED.I get randomly spychecked by my own team when I'm cloaked. I also end up getting shot when my bumbling allies charge in.
It's extremely easy to remain cloaked with the IW if you know the map and just keep moving.
See here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC-1ITQNZdY) for some shitty footage of what I mean\
Of course, I play a lot of 2fort, so yeah.
Post by: Enzo on January 16, 2012, 05:24:02 am
I get randomly spychecked by my own team when I'm cloaked.
That's the worst. Pyro flails around with his flame thrower at absolutely no provocation. Damn Pyro's being paranoid.
Anyway, Kunai + DR + Diamondback = Only way to spy. Whatever you're doing, you get heals or crits!
Post by: Putnam on January 16, 2012, 05:41:31 am
I get randomly spychecked by my own team when I'm cloaked.
That's the worst. Pyro flails around with his flame thrower at absolutely no provocation. Damn Pyro's being paranoid.
Anyway, Kunai + DR + Diamondback = Only way to spy. Whatever you're doing, you get heals or crits!
oh god why
Post by: Angel Of Death on January 16, 2012, 06:48:13 am
Post by: Mr.Person on January 16, 2012, 07:02:07 am
Post by: PTTG?? on January 16, 2012, 10:49:44 am
Is it just me, or is the Ambassador goddamn useless at least 60 percent of the time?I used to use it, but it's just so inaccurate...
Spy disguised as spy is a great disguise if you're in friendly territory but don't want to get shot at.
On the other hand, if you see a disguised spy in friendly territory, pretend they are an enemy. If they are, you'll kill them. Otherwise, you'll improve your ally's cover.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 16, 2012, 11:03:36 am
You get absurdly low health so that when you stab somebody you have a chance to still have absurdly low health. Perhaps a spike of health regain if under fire and you manage to stab a guy? 180 health just doesn't seem durable enough to deal with the rampup of classes trying to kill you.
I normally don't really like terming things as overpowered as many things just need time to adjust to and people majorly underestimate the downsides of various items. I have one exception in the form of the Enforcer. Jesus christ that thing does a ton of damage. The spy has always had a decently strong weapon that people never really use enough. Combining that with one shot less to kill most classes and it becomes a nightmarish situation.
And yet I can't really attack this weapon by saying 'a spy should not be a front-line fighter' or 'should not have a weapon to deal with such mistakes as getting caught' or the new magic TF2 word of 'crutch', none of those feel like strong enough reasons on their own. All I can say is that it doesn't feel fun to have a spy cornered as a pyro and have them shoot me down.
Post by: DJ on January 16, 2012, 11:19:25 am
Nothing wrong with gunning down W+M1 Pyros, though.
Post by: klingon13524 on January 16, 2012, 11:31:49 am
Post by: Angel Of Death on January 16, 2012, 12:56:39 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 16, 2012, 04:01:17 pm
Spy disguised as spy is a great disguise if you're in friendly territory but don't want to get shot at.
Even better disguise in friendly territory is... friendly pyro >_> especially if the other team doesn't have a spy.
Also, I have a lot of spy scripts, so it's much easier for me to switch disguises. I don't even look at my disguise kit!
Code: [Select]
exec clear
cl_autoreload 0
alias +sap "slot2; wait; +attack"
alias -sap "-attack; lastinv"
Bind mouse4 +sap
//Disguise synchro
alias +dsync_attack "+attack; dsync_disable;";
alias -dsync_attack "-attack";
alias dsync_slot1 "slot1; dsync_action;";
alias dsync_slot2 "slot2; dsync_action;";
alias dsync_slot3 "slot3; dsync_action;";
alias dsync_invnext "invnext; dsync_action;";
alias dsync_invprev "invprev; dsync_action;";
alias dsync_lastinv "lastinv; dsync_action;";
alias dsync_enable "dev_notice; echo DISGUISE SYNC ON ++++++++++++; alias dsync_toggle dsync_disable; lastdisguise; alias dsync_action lastdisguise;";
alias dsync_disable "dev_notice; echo DISGUISE SYNC OFF------------; alias dsync_toggle dsync_enable; alias dsync_action";
alias dsync_toggle "dsync_enable;";
alias dev_notice "developer 1; wait 500; developer 0;
bind b dsync_toggle;
bind 1 dsync_slot1;
bind 2 dsync_slot2;
bind 3 dsync_slot3;
bind MWHEELUP dsync_invprev;
bind MWHEELDOWN dsync_invnext;
bind q dsync_lastinv;
bind MOUSE1 +dsync_attack
exec waiter
//Enemy Aliases
alias enemyscout "disguise 1 -1"
alias enemysniper "disguise 2 -1"
alias enemysoldier "disguise 3 -1"
alias enemydemoman "disguise 4 -1"
alias enemymedic "disguise 5 -1"
alias enemyhwguy "disguise 6 -1"
alias enemypyro "disguise 7 -1"
alias enemyspy "disguise 8 -1"
alias enemyengineer "disguise 9 -1"
//ally Aliases
alias allyscout "disguise 1 -2"
alias allysniper "disguise 2 -2"
alias allysoldier "disguise 3 -2"
alias allydemoman "disguise 4 -2"
alias allymedic "disguise 5 -2"
alias allyhwguy "disguise 6 -2"
alias allypyro "disguise 7 -2"
alias allyspy "disguise 8 -2"
alias allyengineer "disguise 9 -2"
//1-9 to disguise - 1=Scout 2=Soldier 3=Pyro 4=Demoman 5=Heavy 6=Engineer 7=Medic 8=Sniper 9=Scout
alias ENEMYTEAM "bind 1 enemyscout; bind 2 enemysoldier; bind 3 enemypyro; bind 4 enemydemoman; bind 5 enemyhwguy; bind 6 enemyengineer; bind 7 enemymedic; bind 8 enemysniper; bind 9 enemyspy"
alias allyTEAM "bind 1 allyscout; bind 2 allysoldier; bind 3 allypyro; bind 4 allydemoman; bind 5 allyhwguy; bind 6 allyengineer; bind 7 allymedic; bind 8 allysniper; bind 9 allyspy"
//0 Toggles Colors
alias toggletoenemy "alias changecolor setenemy"
alias toggletoally "alias changecolor setally"
//Changes the script to go from ally to enemy.
alias setenemy "ENEMYTEAM; toggletoally"
alias setally "ALLYTEAM; toggletoenemy"
//Primary team is enemy
alias changecolor "setally"
bind 1 enemyscout
bind 2 enemysoldier
bind 3 enemypyro
bind 4 enemydemoman
bind 5 enemyhwguy
bind 6 enemyengineer
bind 7 enemymedic
bind 8 enemysniper
bind 9 enemyspy
bind 0 changecolor
alias +weapons "bind 1 dsync_slot1; bind 2 dsync_slot2; bind 3 dsync_slot3; unbind 4; unbind 5; unbind 6; unbind 7; unbind 8; unbind 9; unbind 0"
alias -weapons "bind 1 enemyscout; bind 2 enemysoldier; bind 3 enemypyro; bind 4 enemydemoman; bind 5 enemyhwguy; bind 6 enemyengineer; bind 7 enemymedic; bind 8 enemysniper; bind 9 enemyspy; bind 0 changecolor"
bind ALT +weapons
//dropdisguise
alias dropdisguise "echo DISGUISE_DROP;disguise 8 -2"
bind "mouse5" "dropdisguise"
Post by: Orangebottle on January 16, 2012, 04:21:42 pm
Is it just me, or is the Ambassador goddamn useless at least 60 percent of the time?One headshot is enough to drop most enemies to red health. Except for heavies.
I'm pretty sure it oneshots other spies, though.
Post by: Putnam on January 16, 2012, 05:16:08 pm
Is it just me, or is the Ambassador goddamn useless at least 60 percent of the time?One headshot is enough to drop most enemies to red health. Except for heavies.
I'm pretty sure it oneshots other spies, though.
It twoshots, one head, one body. Same as enforcer.
Post by: Enzo on January 16, 2012, 05:30:32 pm
I still don't understand the kunai
You get absurdly low health so that when you stab somebody you have a chance to still have absurdly low health. Perhaps a spike of health regain if under fire and you manage to stab a guy? 180 health just doesn't seem durable enough to deal with the rampup of classes trying to kill you.
Just so we're clear, the Kunai is worthless if you're not DRing. The DR gives you enough protection from stray shots and such to keep you relatively safe even at 60 HP. If the enemy team is aware of your presence and your DR's drained, you're pretty much screwed with or without the health penalty.
You shouldn't be a target until you've started stabbing. The kunai gives you a health buff exactly when you're going to need it. Sure, 180 health doesn't exactly make you an unstoppable death machine, but it gives you a solid combat advantage over other light classes, a window to make your escape, or at least time pull out the DR. If you have a number of backs lined up (Payload Carts, usually) and one guy notices you, you can heal faster than they can put you down as long as you keep stabbing. Have you ever screwed up and stabbed an Engi without seeing his Sentry nearby? Doesn't matter! Use his health to eat those bullets long enough to get the DR or sapper out.
The overheal also disappears very slowly compared to medic overheal, and stops afterburn/bleed (but not jarate IIRC), which has allowed me to make my escape on several occasions. It's not actually OP, but it's better than people give it credit for.
It twoshots, one head, one body. Same as enforcer.Is it just me, or is the Ambassador goddamn useless at least 60 percent of the time?One headshot is enough to drop most enemies to red health. Except for heavies.
I'm pretty sure it oneshots other spies, though.
The difference being that you have to actually aim with the Ambassador.
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 16, 2012, 05:54:35 pm
Post by: jester on January 16, 2012, 08:25:12 pm
Yes, being able to 2 shot almost any class, 6 shot reload and no downside if you are using the DR is OP'ed
Post by: Angel Of Death on January 16, 2012, 08:27:52 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on January 17, 2012, 12:12:07 am
Post by: The Scout on January 17, 2012, 12:14:05 am
No random critical hits.No. NO NO NO NO NO NONONONONONNONONOadsfdasbhjb dhasbdfjs. That would make me so sad.
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 17, 2012, 12:17:14 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on January 17, 2012, 12:18:58 am
Quote
We're working on an update for TF2 beta which address some of the items raised in your emails - specifically with The Enforcer:
+25% increased decloak time
Unable to see enemy health
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 17, 2012, 12:50:53 am
Post by: Orangebottle on January 17, 2012, 02:38:50 am
It always pisses me off when someone kills me with those, and I can do nothing about it.
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 17, 2012, 03:13:48 am
Post by: LASD on January 17, 2012, 04:01:02 am
I wish random critical hits were done away with entirely, tbh.Never got the satisfaction of randomly critting the really good player that is (was) dominating you?
It always pisses me off when someone kills me with those, and I can do nothing about it.
Random crits give new players a chance to win against old good players, which is a great thing as it makes the game less hostile. They aren't even unbalanced against good players as the more damage you do, the more likely you are to crit. So it enables those amazing killing sprees you sometimes get.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on January 17, 2012, 04:57:17 am
Random crits give new players a chance to win against old good players, which is a great thing as it makes the game less hostile. They aren't even unbalanced against good players as the more damage you do, the more likely you are to crit. So it enables those amazing killing sprees you sometimes get.
This. Valve know what they're doing. Almost all of their game design choices have solid reasons behind them (except the dalokohs bar...), crits are no exception.
Having played on critless servers, the biggest difference is once a game tips toward one side, it doesn't change often. Random crits allow those magical moments where one isolated soldier goes from getting chased by 4 enemies to proudly standing on top of his very own pile of ludicrous gibs, or when a heavy and medic hold a point just long enough for the next respawn wave to come through.
Basically, random crits adds hope for the losing side, and a little danger (and thus interest) for the winning side.
Post by: MrWiggles on January 17, 2012, 06:13:03 am
Random crits give new players a chance to win against old good players, which is a great thing as it makes the game less hostile. They aren't even unbalanced against good players as the more damage you do, the more likely you are to crit. So it enables those amazing killing sprees you sometimes get.
This. Valve know what they're doing. Almost all of their game design choices have solid reasons behind them (except the dalokohs bar...), crits are no exception.
Having played on critless servers, the biggest difference is once a game tips toward one side, it doesn't change often. Random crits allow those magical moments where one isolated soldier goes from getting chased by 4 enemies to proudly standing on top of his very own pile of ludicrous gibs, or when a heavy and medic hold a point just long enough for the next respawn wave to come through.
Basically, random crits adds hope for the losing side, and a little danger (and thus interest) for the winning side.
And lets not forget the RNG for crits is biased system within TF2.
If you're having a long life, and getting more kills, you're going to get more crits. So that high game play continues.
If you're having bad Kill to Death Ratio's you're also going to get more crits.
I wouldn't be surprised if the crits were also adjusted based how the round is going. On CTP maps, that the attackers seems to me, to get more crits as time counts down.
This, is why no crit weapons are such an interesting balancing mechanic.
Post by: The Scout on January 17, 2012, 07:58:14 am
Post by: Orangebottle on January 17, 2012, 01:06:35 pm
It's also the reason the Cow Mangler sucks and is inferior to all the other rocket launchers. And the fact you have to punch sentries to death.The Cow Mangler's a great antipersonnel weapon. Also, it temporarily disables buildings when they're hit with it's alt-fire. So, you could just blast the sentry and walk past it before it reactivates.
At least I'm pretty sure it's supposed to disable buildings.
Also, if you know how to use the alt-fire, it's goddamned OP. It crits for massive damage and sets the enemy on fire.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 17, 2012, 01:27:19 pm
Also, if you know how to use the alt-fire, it's goddamned OP. It crits for massive damage and sets the enemy on fire.There is a difference being able to launch a single minicrit rocket and something being OP. It's honestly a high cost for the ability to launch a single minicrit rocket.
Post by: The Scout on January 17, 2012, 02:00:43 pm
Post by: Strange guy on January 17, 2012, 03:29:42 pm
Also, if you know how to use the alt-fire, it's goddamned OP. It crits for massive damage and sets the enemy on fire.
It takes all your clip, takes time to charge and slows you down. Not all that great. Still the Cow Mangler is a very good rocket launcher, holding a 5th rocket is good especially if you do a lot of rocket jumping into combat. The charged shot is really only good for disabling buildings, you can go and shotgun a sentry to death before reactivation if the engie is not around/killed by the shot.
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 17, 2012, 05:48:18 pm
Post by: Strange guy on January 17, 2012, 06:32:21 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 17, 2012, 06:36:21 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 17, 2012, 06:49:24 pm
I've yet to find a sniper with a good enough position that I can't get a shot off at him that he doesn't notice because he's scoped in. I'm not saying run at the guy, I'm saying whilst he's scoped, take a shot at him. Almost always hits.
This is why I don't scope until I'm ready to take a shot
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 17, 2012, 06:51:44 pm
I'm not really digging those helmets for Scout and Pyro. Would have been better if they were wearing those helmets, and their heads were mounted on the demomans shoulders as I originally thought this image looked like. That would be badass for the demoman.
Post by: MrWiggles on January 17, 2012, 07:06:51 pm
Post by: Orangebottle on January 18, 2012, 01:43:07 am
snopEw. Demoman's helmet is fugly.
The scout and pyro ones look pretty epic, though.
I'm still wondering why the Pyro doesn't have a darth vader-esque mask yet.
Post by: dragonshardz on January 18, 2012, 01:48:19 am
I am saving my dollars for this one.
Post by: Cecilff2 on January 18, 2012, 11:27:22 am
I've yet to find a sniper with a good enough position that I can't get a shot off at him that he doesn't notice because he's scoped in. I'm not saying run at the guy, I'm saying whilst he's scoped, take a shot at him. Almost always hits.
This is why I don't scope until I'm ready to take a shot
Indeed. And once you hit the 5 head limit on the bargain, you become ridiculously strong. Barely any time for a fully charged shot.
Post by: Orangebottle on January 18, 2012, 11:47:53 am
Post by: PTTG?? on January 18, 2012, 12:01:08 pm
Lately, however, I've been having tons of fun as a stickyman. Demoman with a nearly-standard loadout, with the sticky jumper. It turns you into the fastest, most manuverable class.
Post by: Orangebottle on January 18, 2012, 12:03:01 pm
Then I can surprise snipers with the loch-n-load. FOOMP FOOMP die.
Post by: Teneb on January 18, 2012, 12:04:40 pm
I still don't understand how playing nest Engineer is any fun. You basically sit there and whack things with your wrench. Teleporter, dispenser, sentry, spy, etc.
I find it's fun to just stand there and let your sentry rack up some kills. Or being a pyro and hunting spies around said nests.
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on January 18, 2012, 12:09:18 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 18, 2012, 08:24:49 pm
I still don't understand how playing nest Engineer is any fun. You basically sit there and whack things with your wrench. Teleporter, dispenser, sentry, spy, etc.
just make a script to constantly whack while turning in a circle then leave the room
automode fuck yeah
(note: I am not responsible for death from demoman, spy, sniper, or soldier)
Post by: Enzo on January 18, 2012, 08:43:54 pm
I still don't understand how playing nest Engineer is any fun. You basically sit there and whack things with your wrench. Teleporter, dispenser, sentry, spy, etc.
Playing Engi the way the class was designed to be played is boring. Aggro-Engi with mini-sentries and frontier justice is fun. Ninjaneer placing teles behind enemy lines is fun. And most fun of all, Surprise Nonconformist Engie, completely ignoring chokepoints and placing level 3 sentries around random corners covering random healthpacks. That last one is best with alltalk on, so you can hear the other team scream "WHY IS THAT THERE." You can even get pretty decent kills this way, because nobody expects it and they're less motivated to coordinate their team to destroy it than they are if you're nesting at a chokepoint.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 18, 2012, 08:51:59 pm
And most fun of all, Surprise Nonconformist Engie, completely ignoring chokepoints and placing level 3 sentries around random corners covering random healthpacks. That last one is best with alltalk on, so you can hear the other team scream "WHY IS THAT THERE." You can even get pretty decent kills this way, because nobody expects it and they're less motivated to coordinate their team to destroy is than they are if you're nesting at a chokepoint.
Sounds like lots of fun. I'll have to try it the next time I play TF2. The only problem that I can see is when you have to move the damn sentry. Eventually you'll meet an enemy taking the same path as you are, allowing him to dish out some sweet revenge.
Though how amusing would it be if two Engineers carrying level 3 sentries bumped into each other at the same time?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 18, 2012, 08:57:37 pm
Don't even need to be too direct about space denial. Keep a side path blocked from ever being used so your allies can focus on the main path. Keep your teleporter in a small hallway so any spies going for it will have to run past a long line of dudes. The dispenser can be placed wherever close to the front line for healing your dudes, you can get metal from dead guys.
Post by: Angel Of Death on January 18, 2012, 09:37:23 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 18, 2012, 09:41:43 pm
Engineers KICK ARSE in the mode where you have to move that weird bomb thing. If they can place enough level 2 sentries in the right place, anything that goes near the area is fucked (except for spies).
The problem with that being that you can hide behind the bomb cart.
Also, demomen are better at destroying sentries than spies.
Post by: jester on January 19, 2012, 12:38:58 am
Another interesting thing is that most classes cant 1v1 a lvl 2 sentry with an engi behind it, dont just flail wildly with the wrench (the timing on the wrench is a little diff than say, the rocket launcher, if you hold the button, you will piss metal away upgrading) just repair any damage and stay crouched behind it, great for really cheeky spots like looking directly into blu spawn on first stage of goldrush a few minutes into the game. As soon as your metal gets low or someone gets smart about killing the sentry, wander off and leave it to die, its just a senty.
Post by: Orangebottle on January 19, 2012, 12:43:08 am
Another interesting thing is that most classes cant 1v1 a lvl 2 sentry with an engi behind itI can think of a few.
Demoman, spy, and sniper.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on January 19, 2012, 12:56:59 am
Another interesting thing is that most classes cant 1v1 a lvl 2 sentry with an engi behind itI can think of a few.
Demoman, spy, and sniper.
Pyro, if he can get close and knows how to strafe...
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 19, 2012, 12:59:31 am
I've circlestrafe melee'd many level 2/3 sentries as a heavy before. Not that hard, honestly.
Pyro, if he can get close and knows how to strafe...
Post by: jester on January 19, 2012, 01:01:00 am
Another interesting thing is that most classes cant 1v1 a lvl 2 sentry with an engi behind itI can think of a few.
Demoman, spy, and sniper.
Depending on the placement, the rest of your team will hopefully drown the spy in death, snipers are only a threat if they have somewhere beyond range to shoot at the sentry, demos are a bit the same but a bit more of a threat IF they are smart enough to use stickies, the tactic relies alot on the 'WTF IS THAT KILLING ME' moment and the fact that lvl 2s can kill most classes in 6 or so hits, which is fast, most players also expect a lvl 2 to die in 2 nades/rockets/good burst of minigun fire so they stay in range, keep shooting and die cause you are keeping the sentry happily at full health. And as i said, if it looks like its going pearshaped, (eg. stickies suddenly appearing at your feet) just run and let the sentry cover your retreat/take fire while you charge in blazing.
Ninja'ed Pyro? if he can get close enough and im not smart enough to put a few shottie shells in his face as he comes then yah, but even overhealed he can still only get >10m under direct fire from a lvl 2 if you arent putting shots into him as he comes
DOUBLE NINJA!
Post by: Putnam on January 19, 2012, 01:12:55 am
Post by: Orangebottle on January 19, 2012, 01:16:31 am
Post by: Putnam on January 19, 2012, 01:32:12 am
A demo with the loch-n-load can run up and put two shots to an engie nest, destroying the whole thing.
Or just use the stickies for no chance of repair >_>
but the loch-n-load is good too
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 19, 2012, 01:36:31 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on January 19, 2012, 01:46:33 am
4-5 stickies takes a sentry down. If the engineer is focusing on repairing the sentry, the sentry is dead--and the engineer probably is too.
Without a forcefield up, 3 stickies will kill any sentry...
Post by: Putnam on January 19, 2012, 01:57:34 am
Post by: jester on January 19, 2012, 02:06:20 am
Post by: Myroc on January 19, 2012, 02:30:53 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 19, 2012, 02:59:29 am
See stickies on sentry = walk away or charge the demo and if you just put 5 stickies out on my sentry you are a candidate for a shotgunning to the faceThat does still leave the sentry dead, which is rather the point.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on January 19, 2012, 03:22:03 am
Well, I like to err on the side of caution, even if the side of caution happens to be somewhat irrational.
Yeah, but the issue is the longer you take laying them, the more likely the engineer will notice, and either flee or start shooting them. If the engy is preoccupied I can usually get 2 at their feet before they notice. They usually realise they're there right as the third one lands, by which time it's too late >:D
See stickies on sentry = walk away or charge the demo and if you just put 5 stickies out on my sentry you are a candidate for a shotgunning to the face
No-one who knows how to play demo will be foolish enough to use 5 stickies on an un-wrangled sentry.
A veteran will go pop-pop-pop-boom.
A pro player... if any of you every play in Australia, and run up against a demo named "Hisnameisrobertpaulsen" (sometimes just paulsen, image is a blank red square), you will see what that class can do (and you should probably stack). That guy is insane, I've seen him do crap like a double sticky jump, and while flying through the air, shoot off two stickies at a sentry. Because of his velocity, they land at the same time, he fires off a third, and blows a nest about 1 second after the first one landed. Then he switched to pipes, and cleared the rest of the enemy team in 2 shots with a random crits. It was beautiful... shame he was the opposition :'(
I sometimes play Engineer as long-range battery support, quickly deploy a lvl 2 sentry and use my wrangler to help assist my team's main assault wave, then pack up and move on once the area's clear. Takes a bit of work, but can be pretty useful.
I hate Wrangler's so much. Very powerful when used correctly :/
Post by: jester on January 19, 2012, 03:50:04 am
See stickies on sentry = walk away or charge the demo and if you just put 5 stickies out on my sentry you are a candidate for a shotgunning to the faceThat does still leave the sentry dead, which is rather the point.
And the engi just builds another one right away, demo>sentry for team (unless that demo is crap)
Post by: Teneb on January 19, 2012, 08:06:31 am
Post by: Orangebottle on January 19, 2012, 08:51:11 pm
Post by: kaenneth on January 19, 2012, 11:43:26 pm
As an engie, I build defensive placements, then go out and smack people in the face with my wrench.
Post by: Orangebottle on January 20, 2012, 12:07:15 am
Outside of the sentry, the Engineer is pretty easy to handle.
Post by: Ampersand on January 20, 2012, 01:37:09 am
Some of you may have already seen this.
Post by: Putnam on January 20, 2012, 01:44:51 am
By the way, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz4YNYx4gWw
Some of you may have already seen this.
woah
you're ampersand
and that's ampersandb12
it's like you're the same guy!!!!!
Post by: The Scout on January 20, 2012, 06:39:23 am
Post by: dogstile on January 20, 2012, 08:06:20 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 20, 2012, 09:00:40 am
I don't mind engineers as long as they aren't camping their goddamn nests.
Outside of the sentry, the Engineer is pretty easy to handle.
Which is why they camp their nests? It's hard to play an active Engi well. Sentries are fairly simple to take down if the Engineer isn't camping it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 20, 2012, 09:44:50 am
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on January 20, 2012, 11:06:26 am
The perfect nest.
Post by: PTTG?? on January 20, 2012, 11:16:44 am
Post by: PTTG?? on January 20, 2012, 02:19:10 pm
Reddit Thread (http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2trade/comments/ooxkg/h_a_full_bp_with_17_unusuals_all_vintage_hats/)
Someone is leaving the game and selling a whole backpack with about $2000 of hats for $1500.
I am thinking of buying that and selling the hats off piecemeal, but only if I can get at least the $1500 in resales immediately- this guy says it might take a weekend or two to sell off all the hats.
If anyone offers to buy a hat now, I can sell it for 10% of its value. I will also be selling many items for metal and then selling metal for cash.
All that said, I'm keeping the max head.
Take a look and see if there's anything in that guy's backpack worth buying, and If I can get some positive bids, I'll buy the set.
Post by: dragonshardz on January 20, 2012, 06:23:57 pm
Hey, take a look at this reddit thread, (http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2trade/comments/ooxkg/h_a_full_bp_with_17_unusuals_all_vintage_hats/)
Someone is leaving the game and selling a whole backpack with about $2000 of hats for $1500.
I am thinking of buying that and selling the hats off piecemeal, but only if I can get at least the $1500 in resales immediately- this guy says it might take a weekend or two to sell off all the hats.
If anyone offers to buy a hat now, I can sell it for 10% of its value. I will also be selling many items for metal and then selling metal for cash.
All that said, I'm keeping the max head.
Take a look and see if there's anything in that guy's backpack worth buying, and If I can get some positive bids, I'll buy the set.
Fixed your BBCode.
Post by: Nilocy on January 21, 2012, 07:39:14 am
Personally, I can't pay for the server any more. I know theres a great few of you that have kept the server going with a stupidly large amount of money and I was extremely greatful for it, and if one of you wish to take over the 'burden' of being the person who is actually properly incharge of the server then by all means, tell me and I'll happily give you control.
Anyway, I'll post this on the TF2 thread aswell.
If you do want to donate heres the link as always
I'll be hanging in the DFC chat if you need to talk to me.
Thanks, its been a good run,
Nilocy."
Edit:
On second thought, I'll cancel now and then if we want to start a new server we can do it that way.
Post by: MaximumZero on January 22, 2012, 11:14:07 am
Post by: Metalax on January 23, 2012, 10:57:11 pm
Post by: Enzo on January 23, 2012, 11:04:53 pm
It was always fun when I got a chance to actually play with you dudes though. Even across an ocean's worth of ping.
In other news, new TF2 themed avatar.
Post by: Orangebottle on January 24, 2012, 03:05:07 am
Anyone else seen this?
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 24, 2012, 04:27:54 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 24, 2012, 04:30:37 pm
Post by: The Scout on January 26, 2012, 05:52:18 pm
Post by: jester on January 26, 2012, 06:19:20 pm
Sorry if that is obvious to you, but 90% of graphics card related probs = this.
Post by: Angel Of Death on January 29, 2012, 04:24:47 am
Post by: Putnam on January 29, 2012, 04:25:47 am
Post by: Angel Of Death on January 29, 2012, 04:28:29 am
The same way you play Space Invaders when there's only one ship on screen.Firing where they walk dosen't help, they just start moving the other way and will double jump over the rockets if they're trapped.
[edit] Seems as if going right up next to them and unloading a missile into their face is the only thing I can do.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 29, 2012, 07:37:21 am
Post by: jester on January 29, 2012, 08:18:19 am
Couple of other things ive learned from playing with comp scouts is, if you get in a tussle with a scout and need to get out, do it facing the scout, if they see your back after you get hit, they know you are on low health and will just power in and kill you, if you are facing em, they always have a chance of getting a rocket in the face if they come at you, so are more cautious. Scouts are very fragile, and good ones like to run about on full health, if you wing them hard, generally they will bugger off and go find a healthpack. Dont be afraid to throw some spam at em from a distance.
Post by: The Scout on January 29, 2012, 10:51:38 am
Post by: Siquo on January 30, 2012, 05:45:39 am
Post by: jc6036 on January 30, 2012, 07:41:35 am
Post by: Angel Of Death on January 30, 2012, 07:44:44 am
Just got this game downloaded recently, and I'm having a blast. Any protips you guys can hook me up with?If you see any scouts in your team moving suspiciously slowly, shoot them in the damn face. Also, if you see a friendly spy disguised and there are enemies around, shoot at the friendly spy (inaccurately). It will make them seem less like a spy. Thirdly, as a sniper, never, EVER go into head on combat unless it is needed. Snipers seem to be very weak.
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 30, 2012, 08:08:57 am
Post by: jc6036 on January 30, 2012, 08:29:25 am
Post by: jester on January 30, 2012, 08:40:16 am
Just got this game downloaded recently, and I'm having a blast. Any protips you guys can hook me up with?If you see any scouts in your team moving suspiciously slowly, shoot them in the damn face. Also, if you see a friendly spy disguised and there are enemies around, shoot at the friendly spy (inaccurately). It will make them seem less like a spy. Thirdly, as a sniper, never, EVER go into head on combat unless it is needed. Snipers seem to be very weak.
Hell with that, shoot everybody in the face, or walk though them (you cant walk though enemies, so you will 'bump' spys). If you manage to get good at melee then sniper can be VERY powerful front line if you are sneaky with the knife that always crits on jarated players.
Generally id say the differences between a good and bad player are the ability to dodge and knowing when to back off and go for health, most good players I talk to play the game from healthpack to healthpack. For more specific stuff, hit up some 'how to play ....... class' on youtube, for accuracy, download a training map, get ok then move to MGE if you want to be real pro, its a 1v1, first to 20 setup and will teach you how to airshot and other pro moves, though playing anything but scout, solli and demo (comp classes) will probs get you kicked, you are there to learn to aim, not get cheap kills with a tomislav.
And get involved in comp if you are serious about the thing, its alot of fun and will really up you level of play fast.
Whatever you do, sneaky bastard is funnest way to play the game, get behind the lines and snipe em from behind as they come out of spawn, ambushes, traps, sneaky sentrys, etc.
Post by: Cecilff2 on January 31, 2012, 12:54:52 pm
Whatever you do, sneaky bastard is funnest way to play the game, get behind the lines and snipe em from behind as they come out of spawn, ambushes, traps, sneaky sentrys, etc.
Think of how dangerous this could be if there was no kill-cam.
Post by: jc6036 on January 31, 2012, 03:26:03 pm
That could make it into an entirely different game, with a slow, more methodical and strategic approach.Whatever you do, sneaky bastard is funnest way to play the game, get behind the lines and snipe em from behind as they come out of spawn, ambushes, traps, sneaky sentrys, etc.
Think of how dangerous this could be if there was no kill-cam.
Also, I hate it when the team I'm on for some reason has 5 spys in a KOTH game. And of course asking people to switch doesn't always work.
Also when NOBODY will play a medic for some reason. Medics are game changers, damnit!
Post by: Flying Carcass on January 31, 2012, 03:44:46 pm
Just got this game downloaded recently, and I'm having a blast. Any protips you guys can hook me up with?
Just some class tips:
Sniper: Is your team getting stomped? Your team obviously needs a 5th sniper... do it! Be sure to stand next to the other snipers, they know what's up!
Soldier: Rocket jumping is useless and anyone who tells you otherwise is a darned, dirty liar. Moving across a map quickly and getting into unexpected positions is for noobs.
Heavy: You are teh heavy! You are INVINCIBLE!
Demoman: Demoknights (uses a shield in place of sticky grenades and focuses on melee combat) are highly valued by teams because of their versatility, lack of useless sticky grenades, and roguish good looks (If you wear a Ghastly Gibus hat you'll be sure to pick up all the chicks)
Medic: Medics are useless. I know this because no one on public servers ever plays them, so they must be bad. Don't play medic, its a scrub class.
Pyro: W + M1. Use the backburner. Frontal assaults only.
Scout: You are the counter to the engineer's sentry. See a level 3 sentry? Its your job to take it out.
Engineer: Build a level 3 sentry at spawn (anything less than a level 3 is useless!) Carry it to the battle and plop it down; it is teh sentry, it is invincible (unless of course a scout gets it!). Teleporters and dispensers are useless and it'd be a waste of time to make them... who needs teammates when you've got a sentry?
Spy: Be sure to get into disguise (scout!) as you run behind enemy lines (don't stealth because it'll use up your cloak energy).
/tongue-in-cheek
But seriously, a quick pyro tip: The detonator (one of the pyro secondary weapons) can be used to do a mini rocket jump. It won't get you as high as the soldier's rocket jump or demoman sticky jump, but it can get you up to some places too high for your normal jump, making it a good shortcut creator.
Quick spy tip: Be aware that when having the disguise menu open, the - key can be used to switch to your team's colors, allowing you to disguise as your own team. Useful in conjunction with the dead ringer.
Post by: Telgin on January 31, 2012, 04:06:51 pm
Just got this game downloaded recently, and I'm having a blast. Any protips you guys can hook me up with?
Just some class tips:
Soldier: Rocket jumping is useless and anyone who tells you otherwise is a darned, dirty liar. Moving across a map quickly and getting into unexpected positions is for noobs.
Heavy: You are teh heavy! You are INVINCIBLE!
Medic: Medics are useless. I know this because no one on public servers ever plays them, so they must be bad. Don't play medic, its a scrub class.
Engineer: Build a level 3 sentry at spawn (anything less than a level 3 is useless!) Carry it to the battle and plop it down; it is teh sentry, it is invincible (unless of course a scout gets it!). Teleporters and dispensers are useless and it'd be a waste of time to make them... who needs teammates when you've got a sentry?
Guilty as charged.
I don't think I've ever built a teleporter. Dispensers, yes, but right next to the sentry so I can keep the metal coming to keep my sentry going.
Heavy... yeah, I just tend to get headshotted or backstabbed anyway. And seriously, nobody plays medic. I know I don't want to.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 31, 2012, 04:11:44 pm
Mt entire playstyle is just knowing the maps. Wander around, take a side path and try to catch your opponent off-guard. I just need to finally learn to know when to strike, because apparently it's my fault that after waiting twenty seconds for a clear opening as a spy a pyro rounds a corner and ganks me immediately.
Post by: mr. macduggan on January 31, 2012, 04:22:56 pm
Set them on fire, airblast, switch to axtinguisher, and KILL THEM.
Oh. Also, go into console, and type
fov_90
cl_interp 0
viewmodel_fov 75
and in the advanced settings tab turn on hit sounds and damage numbers. They help a lot, trust me.
Post by: jester on January 31, 2012, 04:36:15 pm
I have no idea why more people dont play medic, who is the most useful player on the team? That medic, who is responsible for almost every push ever made? That medic, who is responsible for every huge pile of kills? Probably the medic over there with that kritzkrieg. Funniest all 1 class team? Medics.
Post by: The Scout on January 31, 2012, 04:37:41 pm
Post by: Enzo on January 31, 2012, 04:48:43 pm
I don't think I've ever built a teleporter.
Oh, so you're that guy. I hope you only ever play Arena and KOTH, otherwise you are a shame to the wrench.
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 31, 2012, 05:24:33 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 31, 2012, 05:28:11 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on January 31, 2012, 05:29:52 pm
Engy Metal Beam!
It's a primary slot weapon. It prevents the engy from building a dispenser, and allows the engy to regenerate Metal. The Engy can target team mates, and give them metal/ammo. Maybe a build up time of no reloading.
Post by: PTTG?? on January 31, 2012, 05:47:04 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on January 31, 2012, 05:56:39 pm
Only if the engie can't build at all.If the Engy can't build at all, then it should defiantly get an ubercharged. Which I think should grant allow for instant reloading, and minicrits.
Post by: Putnam on January 31, 2012, 06:23:48 pm
You are cloaked as often as physically possible and are moving at all times.
So, these are the conditions that must be met:
0. Don't be using the C&D (0 because it's not that good anyway)
1. There is enough ammo on the map to stay cloaked regardless of current state of the map.
2. You have the skill and memory to know the locations of all the ammo on the map.
3. You are stealthy enough to not be seen while hiding even if you're forced to uncloak.
Number 3 is the big reason for why scout is best disguise: if you're crouching in a corner, looking around slightly paranoid, who's to say that's something a scout wouldn't do? More importantly, you are less likely to be seen looking around all paranoid crouched uncloaked in a corner if you're disguised as scout, because you don't have that big ol' flamethrower poking out. Scout is smallest class.
If you don't have all 4 of those conditions, then pretty much any disguise other than scout is good. You'd be surprised at how often those conditions are met, though.
Post by: jc6036 on January 31, 2012, 06:57:54 pm
...I go medic a good bit. I normally go rambo and destroy everyone though. Normally do more healing with the Concheror or the Sandvich.I only play medic if there's a lot of people calling out for medics and noone is playing one, or if I'm in the mood for syringe gunning the shit out of people.
Also, my biggest healing record for medic (so far) is about 1300 (you know, without dying). I like to think that I make a good medic.
Post by: Teneb on January 31, 2012, 07:00:25 pm
Post by: hemmingjay on January 31, 2012, 07:08:59 pm
Strangely enough, I've found out that people rarely spy-check you if you are disguised as a heavy. Heck, you can even make a medic waste his übercharge on you.
this is so true. The only time I have been fooled in the last 2 years was to a spy/heavy
Post by: Telgin on January 31, 2012, 07:23:35 pm
Oh, so you're that guy. I hope you only ever play Arena and KOTH, otherwise you are a shame to the wrench.
Yep, that's me. I never said I was any good as engineer. :)
I really need to learn to play better, for pretty much every class. Yes, I'm one of the free to play noobs.
Post by: Flying Carcass on January 31, 2012, 07:36:00 pm
Oh, and as a pyro, its great fun to air blast people off the map, like in PL_Upwards.
Post by: Strangething on January 31, 2012, 08:38:01 pm
Playing heavy gives you a great appreciation for support classes. Without a teleporter, you can spend more time walking than fighting. So when I play engi, I build the teleports first and the sentry last.
I don't understand the appeal of playing Rambo medic. I get killed often enough with my usual cowardly approach. I have had fun with the crossbow. Spamming long range shots into crowded areas gives hilarious results. You're helping the team no matter who you hit!
Post by: jc6036 on January 31, 2012, 08:41:00 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 31, 2012, 09:02:00 pm
Post by: The Scout on January 31, 2012, 09:03:40 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 31, 2012, 09:04:41 pm
Blutsauger, it can turn a medic to a killing machine. And crits. Syringes do 30 dmg when critting. Each.
Yes, but crits are far too much to rely on. Also, you might as well just play heavy if you want to do massive crit damage.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on January 31, 2012, 09:28:50 pm
My crummy, fluctuating FPS means I can't aim and can't dodge, so I play Heavy, Engineer, and Medic.
Playing heavy gives you a great appreciation for support classes. Without a teleporter, you can spend more time walking than fighting. So when I play engi, I build the teleports first and the sentry last.
This, so much this; my primary classes are Heavy, Medic and Pyro. Playing heavy and medic both teaches you a lot about working with other classes; both are practically useless on their own (okay, not useless, but seriously less then effective), while pyro is great for pushing the need to find alternate paths.
A smart engy with a good teleporter for speedy, sneaky access to the front, a dispenser for those much needed health/ammo refills, and a sentry to hide behind when marauding scouts etc. come past is a godsend, and should be buffed/defended/spychecked as much as can be spared.
I don't understand the appeal of playing Rambo medic. I get killed often enough with my usual cowardly approach. I have had fun with the crossbow. Spamming long range shots into crowded areas gives hilarious results. You're helping the team no matter who you hit!
As Naxza says, it's an effective tactic when you don't have anything better to do; especially scouts. One on one, a blautsauger medic shouldn't have any trouble with a scout or pyro if he sees them coming. Even if surprised, the number of times I've forced a pyro or scout to actually hesitate when the 'soft n squishy' class goes charging (or backpedalling while shooting if v. pyro) while pumping them full of rapid fire hurt is insane; and, because of the health drain of the bs, you have them once they hesitate. Just make sure you learn to aim the syringes (remember gravity, and turn on 'on hit' sounds).
Of course, a single medic charging a whole team is usually a complete waste of time and resources.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Naxza, I was originally referring to his post a couple of pages back, but he makes good points this time around too...
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 31, 2012, 09:30:41 pm
Post by: jc6036 on January 31, 2012, 09:59:49 pm
Man, I get 20 damage per shot from close range with syringes and when you're using a syringe, you're probably going to be at close range anyway. The thing about it is people are so unprepared for a medic to go after them that they oftentimes don't move out of the way, but just assume they can take the punishment. They cannot. And if you're getting health each time you hit them, they'd better run and run fast.I love it when I angle the syringe gun just right and hit a sniper from afar.
Hilarious.
Post by: Teneb on January 31, 2012, 10:02:33 pm
I think the most unintentionally awesome thing I did with a medic was help a soldier and pyro cap the last point in junction by using the amputator taunt while the whole enemy team jumped on us. I love that damn saw.
Post by: Jackrabbit on January 31, 2012, 11:15:14 pm
Post by: jester on January 31, 2012, 11:46:15 pm
Post by: Orangebottle on February 01, 2012, 12:29:15 am
Oh, so you're that guy. I hope you only ever play Arena and KOTH, otherwise you are a shame to the wrench.And playing engie is a shame to every FPS ever.
Post by: jester on February 01, 2012, 12:33:44 am
Oh, so you're that guy. I hope you only ever play Arena and KOTH, otherwise you are a shame to the wrench.And playing engie is a shame to every FPS ever.
99% of FPS deserve shaming. And need and engi.
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 01, 2012, 12:36:30 am
I don't even understand what you're saying. Are you saying it's a shame to every first person shooter, or frames per second? If you mean first person shooter and are implying Engies are a bad class, you are wrong, Engies are boss. If it's the second, I've never run into any FPS problems where Engies are concerned.Oh, so you're that guy. I hope you only ever play Arena and KOTH, otherwise you are a shame to the wrench.And playing engie is a shame to every FPS ever.
If you mean something else, I don't know the acronym. Sorry!
Post by: jester on February 01, 2012, 12:53:40 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on February 01, 2012, 12:56:26 am
Pro tip: if you arent shooting more than you are healing, you dont want to be using the blutsager, the cost to regen is to high.
Eeeehhh, disputable. All you're doing is trading longterm regeneration for short term, which can be dealt with by changing playstyle.
Yes, the loss of regen is annoying but if you have a second medic on the team for quick buffs (Medics should always try to keep each other >100% health, where the regen doesn't matter), it isn't especially onerous. If you're the only med around it's a bit harder, but still possible by learning the location of medkits.
By contrast though, you gain the ability to survive random events to a greater degree; when your lovely kritzed soldier or demo gets headshotted and you have to beat a hasty retreat from pursuing scouts/pyros, or one of those classes gets behind the frontlines to try and take you out, it pays for itself.
Now, that said, I play pubs primarily; I'll happily admit that in a professional game, a scout or similar will not react with the half second of shock to a medic assault that you see on a pub player. As that half second can correspond to as much as a 65 point swing in health between myself and my enemy, it's an important distinction. Plus it's a lot harder to nail a scout that actually knows how to jink with 10 needles a second.
I believe orange bottle is referring to the manshooter 16 style FPS where everybody has the same gun and stands in corners waiting for someone to wander past
Sounds boring. Why would anyone want to play that?
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 01, 2012, 01:15:32 am
Post by: Orangebottle on February 01, 2012, 01:28:31 am
I don't even understand what you're saying. Are you saying it's a shame to every first person shooter, or frames per second? If you mean first person shooter and are implying Engies are a bad class, you are wrong, Engies are boss. If it's the second, I've never run into any FPS problems where Engies are concerned.First person shooter.
If you mean something else, I don't know the acronym. Sorry!
Why do you think engies are awesome? They're a weak combat class whose primary focus is on building an auto-aiming heavy+soldier combo, then building a supply locker right next to it and constantly healing and giving ammo to the heavy+soldier. Also, wrenching anyone who dares walk near their nest, despite the fact that they built it on the ramp leading to their base's exit.
That's what I've seen many, many engineers do. Level3sentry, level3dispenser, tape m1 down, ggnorekkthxbaiI believe orange bottle is referring to the manshooter 16 style FPS where everybody has the same gun and stands in corners waiting for someone to wander pastSounds boring. Why would anyone want to play that?
Post by: Enzo on February 01, 2012, 01:55:59 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 01, 2012, 01:59:30 am
Also also, engies are not a weak combat class. Do not disrespect or disregard the shotgun or pistol. They can be lethal.
Out of interest, how much dislike of engies would you say comes from you dying to them a whole lot?
Post by: umiman on February 01, 2012, 02:04:19 am
I can't aim for shit, but I enjoy plunking down mini sentries everywhere and helping my team out with teleporters and dispensers.
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 01, 2012, 05:02:30 am
I love this game SO MUCH.
Ess funny to me (http://steamcommunity.com/id/jackrabbit121/screenshot/651004495512885296?tab=public)
Post by: jester on February 01, 2012, 05:15:59 am
And to Osmosis Jones, I used to play alot of comp medic, there is no way a competent team EVER plays with a blutsager med, 3 hp a sec is huge, means you really HAVE to be shooting alot of needles each life to make up the differnce, unless you are a full blown battle med (and ill give you its heaps of fun, but at the end of the day, you arent a serious combat class) you want to spend as much time as possible healing the hurt guys, who should usually be closest to the enemy, having to rely on whipping out the blutsager for more health when everybody around you is low is not a good thing, if you keep an eye on it, regen will heal you more than the blut in any but full battle med. The blut will really hurt you where flames are involved with a diff of about 30 hp between that and the needles.
Though I do generally find standing about taunting and ubered while the guy im attached to guts the enemy more fun than shooting
Post by: Werdna on February 01, 2012, 10:59:57 am
To me the sentrygun's only point on non A/D maps is to act as a backstop just behind the lines, primarily to protect the teleporter. The reason I think teleporters are more important is that as skill level increases, sg-life expectancy tends to get a lot shorter, and engies have to play it safer with the sg locations unless they want to be rebuilding it all game long. As the locations get safer, they have less impact on the game. Teleporters only increase in value, because it gets your most skilled players to the battle faster. Teleporters are more iffy on CTF maps though, its hard to keep them running when the exit points are in areas you don't control.
I've never been a huge fan of engie nests, but that's mostly TFC instincts kicking in (it just screams for a MIRV). I prefer to spread it around so it can't be taken out all at once. Plus, TF2's ability to move the gear around is just too awesome. Against skilled players, moving that gun becomes critical. Nothing more satisfying than to finish moving a gun after it racks up a few kills, and see stickies accumulating over where it used to be.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 01, 2012, 11:14:06 am
On maps with scarce healthkits the dispenser is pretty much a second medic. The utility for a team from these things is amazing. I don't really need to explain how great teleporters are.
Engineer is not about combat, it's a heavy support class and should be expected to play such a role.
Post by: Orangebottle on February 01, 2012, 11:19:58 am
Okay, I was joking when I said anyone who plays vanilla engie does that. If you're sitting in the one place for an entire round, unless it's a CP game and the enemy team captured the first point in the first minute, you're not being a huge help. You should not be static for the whole round. Sentries can be moved, and should be moved as battle lines shift. Finding a good place to put a sentry, finding a great place for a tele, and appropriately placing a dispenser is vital to your team and can mean the difference between victory and defeat. It all depends on the sort of playstyle you like, when it comes right down to it.I believe I've mentioned that I play a lot of 2fort.
This is the map where a good 80% of both teams decides,"Hey, let's go engineer and sit there in our nests until everyone dies of boredom because nobody can score a point."
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I personally love gunslinging my way round the map but it's satisfying to have a clever enough sentry placement that suddenly the enemy team has to redefine their entire assault around me. That's pretty awesome.I have no problem with gunslinger engineers. It's the upgraded sentries that bother me.
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Also, I defend the practise of smacking anyone who comes near me. It sounds like you're trying to say a spy couldn't get as far as the entrance to your base, but that's basically what they're built to do.No, I mean, some of those nest engies build their nests in the middle of some pathway that everyone on their team uses, then spends their time wrenching buildings and their teammates.
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Also also, engies are not a weak combat class. Do not disrespect or disregard the shotgun or pistol. They can be lethal.I can usually solo a lone engie pretty easily. The sentry makes that impossible, unless they're incredibly new in which case I sap their shit and backstab them and they can do nothing about it.
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Out of interest, how much dislike of engies would you say comes from you dying to them a whole lot?A lot of it. The rest is the coincidences and really really annoying tactics that make them practically unkillable.
Basically, when done in the most popular fashion, engie is four players.
If you cant work out how to deal with the turtle engi, then like people who cant deal with the w+m1 pyro, you really need to look at your game, the problem is you, sadly.I usually start playing the game as scout.
I end up playing as demo or spy because holy fuck there are sentry nests all over the enemy base and they're all close enough to support eachother should I try to kill one. Ubercharge doesn't even work on them, cause the rockets and machineguns push me away from my medic.
Perhaps a heavy could do it, but the enemy team usually has at least one spy that stalks heavy+medics.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 01, 2012, 11:23:07 am
I believe I've mentioned that I play a lot of 2fort.
Well there's your problem.
Post by: Werdna on February 01, 2012, 11:30:55 am
Post by: jester on February 01, 2012, 12:45:06 pm
Post by: Orangebottle on February 01, 2012, 07:05:41 pm
2fort is the arsehole of the Team Fortress universe. They have to put it into every release, but it stinks regardless. It's stupid easy to defend. Play some Payload maps Orangebottle, and you'll see a whole new engy.But I like CTF, and I don't like payload.
Post by: Teneb on February 01, 2012, 07:19:33 pm
2Fort is not the only CTF map around, you know.2fort is the arsehole of the Team Fortress universe. They have to put it into every release, but it stinks regardless. It's stupid easy to defend. Play some Payload maps Orangebottle, and you'll see a whole new engy.But I like CTF, and I don't like payload.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 01, 2012, 07:22:51 pm
Post by: jester on February 01, 2012, 07:40:27 pm
DM map?
DM = Death match. No real objective other than killing the other team in terms of map. If DM ability = players skill in 1v1 head on fight, being 'out DM'ed' basically means going up against someone who is flat out better than you
Post by: mainiac on February 01, 2012, 07:43:23 pm
What is the customary exchange for an item like that?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 01, 2012, 07:57:33 pm
Hell, even ctf_Sawmill is better than 2Fort.2Fort is not the only CTF map around, you know.2fort is the arsehole of the Team Fortress universe. They have to put it into every release, but it stinks regardless. It's stupid easy to defend. Play some Payload maps Orangebottle, and you'll see a whole new engy.But I like CTF, and I don't like payload.
Post by: jester on February 01, 2012, 08:00:34 pm
Post by: Strangething on February 01, 2012, 10:24:55 pm
http://www.tf2crafting.info/
Post by: jester on February 01, 2012, 10:32:03 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on February 01, 2012, 11:15:04 pm
Post by: jc6036 on February 01, 2012, 11:23:50 pm
1.Awesome-when several people have voice and help to coordinate and cooperate the team with minimal childish swearing
2.Eh-When your the only person on your team with voice or willing to use voice, so it's like talking to yourself essentially
3.Horrible-When young children are on with nothing but insults and viscious swearing, providing no help whatso ever to coordinating with team mates. Also 'Screamers', people who just randomly screem into their mics when something goes wrong.
The moods are more rare on the extremes, with most cases for me being 'Eh'.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 01, 2012, 11:25:14 pm
Post by: jester on February 01, 2012, 11:49:51 pm
Post by: Enzo on February 01, 2012, 11:58:49 pm
Affable Alltalk : On servers with a solid set of regulars, most of whom have mics. Pleasant combination of game-related talk, random conversations, and death threats.
Also, little children are awesome because you can troll them until they get annoying, and then mute them.
DOUBLE ALSO, anyone want to trade for a Strange Big Earner? I'm too lazy to necro the TF2 Trade thread and we already got some trade talk in here.
Post by: Angel Of Death on February 02, 2012, 12:12:50 am
DOUBLE ALSO, anyone want a Strange Big Earner? I'm too lazy to necro the TF2 Trade thread and we already got some trade talk in here.I do!
Post by: Orangebottle on February 02, 2012, 12:21:28 am
I can kill almost everything except a heavy and a level 3 sentry.
With another medic behind me, even those are at risk.
Post by: Angel Of Death on February 02, 2012, 12:25:20 am
I tried blutsauger battlemedic today.For a minute, I thought your post was a Haiku. This is why I shouldn't read when tired.
I can kill almost everything except a heavy and a level 3 sentry.
With another medic behind me, even those are at risk.
The Blutsauger rules
It can kill almost all things
And it heals you, too!
How terrible is the common engineer? I once sapped an engineer's entire nest of dispensers and sentries and he just stood there, doing nothing.
Post by: Orangebottle on February 02, 2012, 12:31:57 am
Considering the skill level required to play base(nest) engineer? Pretty damn awful.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 02, 2012, 01:16:42 am
Holy shit these things are obscene.
The Phlog I'm sorta okay with because it really changes how the pyro plays. You exchange an ability you can use anytime that provides an incredibly powerful survival tool for a tool under a bit of a cooldown that provides the ability to absolutely destroy anything around you. I'll even excuse the ability to do it when you are about to die for some free health and a getaway tool because generally the airblast would have saved you so many more times and so much more health.
But jesus christ ambushes with this thing
Post by: Siquo on February 02, 2012, 05:46:19 am
Post by: MrWiggles on February 02, 2012, 07:19:09 am
Post by: Strangething on February 02, 2012, 08:45:16 pm
Last night I was on a three-member team. When the payload was close to the final checkpoint, they both swapped to engi, and neither one was worth a damn at it. Only one dispenser between them, and it was nowhere near the action. One of them never got his sentry past level two because he spent so much time running back for metal.
I was playing Heavy, and my plan was to stand by a dispenser and hose down the cart. No such luck, unless I wanted to do so from a mile away.
More and more frequently I find myself groping through the voice commands for "Put dispenser here!" and "Put teleporter here!" Sometimes they listen.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 02, 2012, 09:16:02 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on February 03, 2012, 10:29:23 am
Post by: jc6036 on February 03, 2012, 12:20:23 pm
Post by: Telgin on February 03, 2012, 01:59:14 pm
Too many engi players insist on playing the boring way. Especially on attack/defend and payload maps. They build a sentry and a dispenser up to level three on the very last point, then sit and twiddle their thumbs until Blu fights their way to it. Which always happens, since Red was effectively short a team member.
At least I don't do that. I instead build sentries in stupid indefensible positions on these maps, although I do make an effort to build them close to the action.
Post by: Werdna on February 03, 2012, 02:01:23 pm
* thanks to 2fort's lousy design, you'll probably have to kill them a 2nd time on the way back out, but that's just a day in the life for an O player.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 03, 2012, 02:07:40 pm
Post by: DarkerDark on February 03, 2012, 02:30:02 pm
Once I start craving something that requires a little more teamwork, I switch to Control Point maps. I usually find myself willing to play on any CP map except for Badlands. In my opinion, it seems like Badlands was created with the competitive 6v6 in mind. The map is set in such a way that it's a dream come true for soldiers and scouts. Picking any other class with the exception of demo and medic will end up hurting your team unless you already have more soldiers and scouts than the opposing team.
I don't like playing Payload or Attack and Defend maps unless the teams are really well balanced. I find it incredibly boring if the defenders end up completely dominating the offense. It means the match will go on for the full duration without any way to end it quickly. At least with every other gametype, you can end the round quickly and force a team scramble to attempt to balance the teams.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 03, 2012, 02:46:27 pm
Against a disorganized team, you could do it with one.
Post by: Metalax on February 03, 2012, 02:59:54 pm
2Fort really, really needs a second entrance to the basement.
The problem is where to put the entry to another route into the basement, such that it doesn't simply shortcut the other routes.
Post by: DarkerDark on February 03, 2012, 04:16:02 pm
Of course, if you're dealing with a real pro demoman, then it's probably best to switch classes entirely and go with something like the scout, engaging him as soon as he touches down on your rooftop/battlements.
But, yeah, I usually find myself switching to Engineer to defend the intel because of pesky sticky/rocket jumpers and scouts. They're annoying to say the least.
Post by: Werdna on February 03, 2012, 04:39:33 pm
The other great improvement TF2 made was to make other game modes beside CTF seriously popular... they had a few good A/D maps toward the end of TFC but TF2 really matured them. CP and A/D I think is TF at its best because your whole team works together, instead of splitting into separate O and D teams that sometimes work to cross purposes (anyone here remember 'no chasing' or 'no midfield DM'?)
Personally, I'd fix 2fort by connecting water route to lower spiral, instead of coming out near the front door. Currently its a long route for little reward. Connecting it to spiral would force it to be defended, which forces one defender away from ramp room or flag room. Imagine the underwater fights, when dragging a flag back out this way. Even this suggestion would suck for comp play though, it'd probably end up similar to the old Well where teams would stick a heavy in the pipe to lock it down all game.
2fort is simply too narrow for offense, with the tight halls and ceilings all over the place - its a dream for stickies, sgs, heavies, and soldiers to nail down. What can a scout do in such a tight space?
Post by: PTTG?? on February 03, 2012, 05:14:24 pm
Post by: jc6036 on February 03, 2012, 05:15:35 pm
2fort is simply too narrow for offense, with the tight halls and ceilings all over the place - its a dream for stickies, sgs, heavies, and soldiers to nail down. What can a scout do in such a tight space?Dodge
Duck
Dip
Dive (and)
Dodge
Seriously, if I'm in an enemy base as a scout, I just turn back if there's an enemy in a hallway and take another. If it's a wide open space (such as the space just before the stairways to the intel) then I'll pop a couple shots to supress them and run my merry ass to the basement.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 03, 2012, 05:28:31 pm
Seriously, if I'm in an enemy base as a scout, I just turn back if there's an enemy in a hallway and take another.2Fort
It's a bullshit thing to refute something with a single reply, but his comment was about 2Fort. Nothing you said about scout applies there.
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 03, 2012, 05:43:07 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 03, 2012, 05:44:42 pm
Which is also a bunch of luck that they either won't head down for you or will do anything other than mope around the spawn hall for no reason.
Post by: jc6036 on February 03, 2012, 06:05:11 pm
Further more, the 'open space' in front of the stairs to the intel is about as open as the area directly outside the enemy team's base. It's a tiny, tiny bit more open than otherwise, but it's also right outside the enemy team's base. If you get past it, it's because you were lucky enough to have either faced no enemies, or just one or two. And then you have to luck out again on the way back. It does happen! But you shouldn't have to rely on either luck or a bad enemy team to make it out of there alive.I'm not saying it's completely skill that gets one to the basement as a scout, and luck does play a large part. Like I said, if I see an enemy, I pop a shot and run. I rarely stop to kill anybody after I get inside the base. With a little luck, the scout isn't that terrible; the majority of my captures are with scouts, in fact.
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 03, 2012, 06:07:50 pm
Post by: jc6036 on February 03, 2012, 06:10:21 pm
If luck is playing a large part of your capture, and if you can't change that regardless of what you do, it's not a good map.I wasn't disputing that. It really isn't a good map; I was just saying that scout's not as terribad as everyone thinks on 2fort (even if one does need a little luck to get by (which IS bs)).
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 03, 2012, 06:15:59 pm
Yeah, I mostly play 2Fort for the dickaround aspect and if I notice the enemy isn't bothering to defend at all I'll occasionally win the map too. Mostly I use it just to get a bit better at sticky jumping. The sticky jumper is, undisputibly, the best and most awesome weapon in TF2 and I will hear no word against it.
Post by: jc6036 on February 03, 2012, 06:41:02 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on February 03, 2012, 06:46:16 pm
Oh, arright.
Yeah, I mostly play 2Fort for the dickaround aspect and if I notice the enemy isn't bothering to defend at all I'll occasionally win the map too. Mostly I use it just to get a bit better at sticky jumping. The sticky jumper is, undisputibly, the best and most awesome weapon in TF2 and I will hear no word against it.
It puts more focus on the Grenade Launcher and getting direct pills. The biggest loss in my opinion is in defensive power- you can't trap a point or flag anymore. But then, pyros will just airblast your traps away anyway...
Post by: The Scout on February 03, 2012, 06:46:46 pm
Cannot be reflected. (Rockets)
Shoots lasers instead of bullets and the soldier's laser things that go through people(Not everyone, should be a limit) instead of rockets, should do slightly more damage though.
No knockback.
It wouldn't do quite as much to a single person, or deny someone a room, but it would be harder to tell it's there and it would do quite a bit of damage against large groups of people all bunched up.
2fort is too crowded, all the other maps that small normally have several ways to go. But since it's a CTF map, and not CP or PL, it's harder to make a dynamic map and have multiple routes, due to them all having the same destination.
Post by: Werdna on February 03, 2012, 06:49:05 pm
Dodge, etc
I think you'd agree with me that all of these options, as scout, are a little more difficult in a constrained space where you can't double jump without hitting a wall or ceiling. The areas are so tight a soldier could aim blindfolded, and still splash you.
Seriously, if I'm in an enemy base as a scout, I just turn back if there's an enemy in a hallway and take another.
Scout's strong point, but missing the point. All of 2fort's rooms and halls are relatively small. Can you still do the D's you mentioned? Of course. Is it much more difficult to do so? My point. When you run into defense, and you will run into defense, you will need to start pumping out those D's to get past or to get away to try another route - and you have less room to do it in.
Compare flag room of 2fort to the open one in Turbine. Compare the two Turbine hallway sizes to the 2fort paths I mentioned above (never mind that 2fort's fd to fr path is twice as long). Assume some defense in each path - no easy bypass routes. Which would you rather play scout in? Basically, compare the cramped 2fort base design to the base design on *every* Valve TF2 map and most 3rd party maps and you'll quickly see that TF2 maps are more open to allow space for the classes to properly do all the D's you mentioned. 2fort's cramped design is because it is an ancient, outdated map that's become both their flagship and their albatross.
I'm not picking on scout or saying he sucks, I was just trying to point out a map design issue that constrains his best ability, the double jump.
(And I'm not saying every map should be a wide open airy wonderland, I'm just trying to point out that the openness of map design on CTF maps directly affects the balance between "too easy to D" and "too hard to D" - and 2fort's design is too easy to D.)
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 03, 2012, 07:04:32 pm
Idea for a sentry.Why should the rockets not be reflected? That'd make it a straight upgrade from a regular sentry. And the lasers, how fast would they shoot? If they shoot at the speed of the Righteous Bison, then scouts could bypass the sentry easily with no knockback and most other classes could dodge it too.
Cannot be reflected. (Rockets)
Shoots lasers instead of bullets and the soldier's laser things that go through people(Not everyone, should be a limit) instead of rockets, should do slightly more damage though.
No knockback.
It wouldn't do quite as much to a single person, or deny someone a room, but it would be harder to tell it's there and it would do quite a bit of damage against large groups of people all bunched up.
I'm not really seeing the tactical applications of this. It doesn't look it it'd be good at defending much of anything.
Post by: The Scout on February 03, 2012, 07:08:13 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 03, 2012, 07:15:34 pm
Post by: The Scout on February 03, 2012, 07:18:48 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 03, 2012, 07:22:01 pm
I just want to see three engineers wrangle these things and turn the sky into whatever color team they are.
Post by: kaenneth on February 03, 2012, 07:39:45 pm
Grabbing the intel and bringing it all the way home as a Heavy on 2fort. :)
Twice in a row 8)
Post by: Teneb on February 03, 2012, 07:46:36 pm
Post by: jc6036 on February 03, 2012, 07:46:54 pm
You've made you point. Scout is a bad class for 2fort on account of the lack of D room (but that won't stop me from still capping intel while running in circles like a maniac :P).Dodge, etc
I think you'd agree with me that all of these options, as scout, are a little more difficult in a constrained space where you can't double jump without hitting a wall or ceiling. The areas are so tight a soldier could aim blindfolded, and still splash you.Seriously, if I'm in an enemy base as a scout, I just turn back if there's an enemy in a hallway and take another.
Scout's strong point, but missing the point. All of 2fort's rooms and halls are relatively small. Can you still do the D's you mentioned? Of course. Is it much more difficult to do so? My point. When you run into defense, and you will run into defense, you will need to start pumping out those D's to get past or to get away to try another route - and you have less room to do it in.
Compare flag room of 2fort to the open one in Turbine. Compare the two Turbine hallway sizes to the 2fort paths I mentioned above (never mind that 2fort's fd to fr path is twice as long). Assume some defense in each path - no easy bypass routes. Which would you rather play scout in? Basically, compare the cramped 2fort base design to the base design on *every* Valve TF2 map and most 3rd party maps and you'll quickly see that TF2 maps are more open to allow space for the classes to properly do all the D's you mentioned. 2fort's cramped design is because it is an ancient, outdated map that's become both their flagship and their albatross.
I'm not picking on scout or saying he sucks, I was just trying to point out a map design issue that constrains his best ability, the double jump.
(And I'm not saying every map should be a wide open airy wonderland, I'm just trying to point out that the openness of map design on CTF maps directly affects the balance between "too easy to D" and "too hard to D" - and 2fort's design is too easy to D.)
Post by: Telgin on February 03, 2012, 08:12:56 pm
Grabbing the intel and bringing it all the way home as a Heavy on 2fort. :)
Twice in a row 8)
"Not usually my job..."
I absolutely suck at capture the flag. And especially 2fort. I should probably practice this some more next time I play. Come to think of it, it's been over a month since I played.
Post by: jc6036 on February 03, 2012, 08:58:01 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on February 03, 2012, 09:05:51 pm
So, is there a bay 12 server we can play on or do you generally just tool around on public servers?We had a server, then we neve used it.
I think we never used it because a lot of us experience stupid high ping on it.
And the lack of events probably didnt help either.
Post by: jester on February 03, 2012, 09:15:12 pm
Post by: jc6036 on February 03, 2012, 09:22:15 pm
Protip: Nobody who plays this game for any length of time sees 2fort as anything other than a joke map, its the TF2 equivalent of pro wrestling. If you are getting caps, its probably because 3/4 of the other team couldnt give a stuff about anything other than getting more kills. Defensively 2fort can be totally locked down by 2 demos and an engi. Offensively a good bonk scout can get to the intel 75% of the time, its not a serious map in any way shape or form, get over 2fort and go play any other map, then talk about strats and tacticsJesus man, lighten up. It's not like it's a clan competition or anything going on.
Post by: jester on February 03, 2012, 09:25:28 pm
Protip: Nobody who plays this game for any length of time sees 2fort as anything other than a joke map, its the TF2 equivalent of pro wrestling. If you are getting caps, its probably because 3/4 of the other team couldnt give a stuff about anything other than getting more kills. Defensively 2fort can be totally locked down by 2 demos and an engi. Offensively a good bonk scout can get to the intel 75% of the time, its not a serious map in any way shape or form, get over 2fort and go play any other map, then talk about strats and tacticsJesus man, lighten up. It's not like it's a clan competition or anything going on.
Sorry I just read 3 pages of people talking 2fort tactics and facepalmed fairly hard, had to get it out
Post by: jc6036 on February 03, 2012, 09:44:33 pm
Understandable. I'm new to the game so I didn't realize that 2fort was considered a joke by veteran players.Protip: Nobody who plays this game for any length of time sees 2fort as anything other than a joke map, its the TF2 equivalent of pro wrestling. If you are getting caps, its probably because 3/4 of the other team couldnt give a stuff about anything other than getting more kills. Defensively 2fort can be totally locked down by 2 demos and an engi. Offensively a good bonk scout can get to the intel 75% of the time, its not a serious map in any way shape or form, get over 2fort and go play any other map, then talk about strats and tacticsJesus man, lighten up. It's not like it's a clan competition or anything going on.
Sorry I just read 3 pages of people talking 2fort tactics and facepalmed fairly hard, had to get it out
Post by: MrWiggles on February 03, 2012, 09:46:49 pm
Post by: Putnam on February 03, 2012, 10:10:09 pm
Post by: Werdna on February 03, 2012, 10:10:29 pm
Post by: jester on February 03, 2012, 10:20:04 pm
If you check the official stats for goldrush, generally it works out 45% blu win, 55% red, which isnt really that bad. But yeah, valve <3 red, spys and demos.
Post by: Flying Carcass on February 03, 2012, 11:03:41 pm
Post by: Putnam on February 03, 2012, 11:15:48 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 03, 2012, 11:18:01 pm
Post by: jc6036 on February 03, 2012, 11:20:19 pm
I'll allow it because a quick and clever blue engie can sneak a teleporter into the tunnel behind their spawn and completely ruin Red before they realize what is going on.This. Exactly this.
I remember spawning, seeing a teleporter and walking into it, and BOOM! My team had set up shop in the tunnel. Two engineers had sentries, dispeners, and two telepoter systems running. We all grouped together and bumrushed red.
Post by: Enzo on February 04, 2012, 02:24:39 am
2fort is one of the few bad stock maps. Well isn't that good either.
I actually like Well a lot more than 2fort. I tend to favor maps with big open area's over ones with lots of chokepoints, though. Well isn't all that great, but 2fort is nearly unplayable.
Goldrush is almost as bad, mostly because of how skewed towards red it is.
I find Upward much worse than Goldrush when it comes to unbalanced defense. Mostly just that last point though. That point is not fun to attack.
Also Swiftwater is clearly the greatest Payload map.
Post by: DarkerDark on February 04, 2012, 08:11:23 am
Post by: PTTG?? on February 04, 2012, 11:48:50 am
Post by: jc6036 on February 04, 2012, 01:03:23 pm
Post by: Flying Carcass on February 04, 2012, 02:02:58 pm
I got my 360 gamepad set up for tf2, and started using it. I was very disappointing; I don't know if it's the quality of my gamepad or unfamiliar feel of it in tf, but it sucked.
People playing with controllers tend to have a hard time playing against folks playing with mouse and keyboard in first person shooters.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 04, 2012, 08:21:44 pm
PL_Hoodoo is probably my least favorite payload map. Everything's so cramped it leaves no room to maneuver and it invites massive amounts of unavoidable pipe spam.
I found HooDoo very hard to understand its geometry. I also find the tracks course, to just be confounding. Its not as bad cp_steel (I think its steel). Whenever I play red, I almost always get stuck in the base. -_-;
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The first Choke Point on Gold Rush is great. It is heavily in favor of Defenders, but its meant to bleed off time from blue. If Red's going to win, its because they've manage to hold off on the first choke point for so long. Then they have to wait for the second Choke Point to make a proper stand again. Down the ramp, toward the end goal, there lacks a murder zone for red team, and the defender is at a sudden disadvantage because they have no natural focus for defense.
Post by: Telgin on February 04, 2012, 08:26:05 pm
I got my 360 gamepad set up for tf2, and started using it. I was very disappointing; I don't know if it's the quality of my gamepad or unfamiliar feel of it in tf, but it sucked.
People playing with controllers tend to have a hard time playing against folks playing with mouse and keyboard in first person shooters.
This. My brother insists that shooters are easier to play with a controller. I find a mouse and keyboard to be 1000x better. Response time and precision are impossible to match, at least for me.
Post by: Putnam on February 04, 2012, 08:28:00 pm
Post by: jc6036 on February 04, 2012, 08:34:17 pm
I expected the gamepad to be easier to use since I'm used to playing 360 shooters, but mouse and keyboard are much better. Especially with snipers. I can't hit shit with a gamepad.I got my 360 gamepad set up for tf2, and started using it. I was very disappointing; I don't know if it's the quality of my gamepad or unfamiliar feel of it in tf, but it sucked.
People playing with controllers tend to have a hard time playing against folks playing with mouse and keyboard in first person shooters.
This. My brother insists that shooters are easier to play with a controller. I find a mouse and keyboard to be 1000x better. Response time and precision are impossible to match, at least for me.
Post by: Putnam on February 04, 2012, 08:41:19 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on February 04, 2012, 11:19:09 pm
And my aiming ability grew worse. It made me think that there was a larger margin of error for users with SD tvs (and the applicable SD settings), then those with HD tv.
Post by: jester on February 05, 2012, 06:26:12 am
Post by: Telgin on February 06, 2012, 01:54:17 am
Here something that I've notice with Halo Reach. When I first got Halo Reach, I had an SD tv. I was doing pretty spiffy really. Then it crapped out on us, and so we got an HD tv (Mostly because, you cant get another SD tv, and HD tv's are that expensive anymore.)
And my aiming ability grew worse. It made me think that there was a larger margin of error for users with SD tvs (and the applicable SD settings), then those with HD tv.
Perhaps for your eyes... might affect the way you aim. In game though it shouldn't, unless the game is doing something very strange. The decision on how to render the final display should be independent of the game logic itself. Then again, I suppose it is possible, if unlikely that the game checks for this and genuinely behaves differently...
Post by: kaenneth on February 06, 2012, 07:02:32 pm
Post by: Thexor on February 06, 2012, 08:20:54 pm
Some TVs have delays between input and output. The largest TV in my house is nigh-useless for my Xbox because it has something like a 300-400ms delay. For a shooter, that's frigging huge.
It's probably the whole HD thing, yeah.
300-400ms?! Geez, I had to spend time debating between 5ms and 2ms latency when picking a new monitor. A 300ms display delay would make pretty much any online game unplayable - at least network latency can be smoothed out by lag compensation. :o
Post by: PTTG?? on February 07, 2012, 01:01:23 am
Post by: Telgin on February 07, 2012, 12:52:52 pm
Still ridiculous though. What sort of failure happened in the design process for this TV?
Post by: jc6036 on February 07, 2012, 05:35:41 pm
Feeling pretty badass right about now. (probably nothing compared to others epic moments, but still pretty awesome for me.)
EDIT: Also, what's wrong with the random drop system? I read on the team fortress 2 wiki that random drops are given at regular intervals of 30-70 minutes. I hadn't gotten anything in a while so I played for about two and a half hours straight on the same map and server to test it out. I still didn't get a random drop. Wtf?
Post by: Putnam on February 07, 2012, 09:56:49 pm
Post by: jester on February 07, 2012, 10:02:10 pm
Post by: jc6036 on February 07, 2012, 10:31:50 pm
There's a weekly cap.I read about the cap too, that must be it (even though I don't think that I played nearly enough to cap out).
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on February 07, 2012, 11:58:39 pm
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1725694
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 08, 2012, 01:11:33 am
Post by: squeakyReaper on February 08, 2012, 02:15:17 pm
It functionally caps out at 9 to 11 drops a week.There's a weekly cap.I read about the cap too, that must be it (even though I don't think that I played nearly enough to cap out).
Post by: Siquo on February 08, 2012, 02:30:05 pm
It's entirely possible I would never play another class ever again if that was implemented.Oh yes. DO WANT.
Post by: LASD on February 08, 2012, 02:37:01 pm
How the hell do I kill scouts as the soldier? They are so damn fast.
I just played a few games and I think I know the answer: Reserve Shooter. It pretty much one shots Scouts as they are in the air 70% of the time. It's a bit hard to hit them for the same reason, but goddamn how good it feels when you do.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 08, 2012, 02:53:43 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on February 08, 2012, 02:57:44 pm
How the hell do I kill scouts as the soldier? They are so damn fast.
I just played a few games and I think I know the answer: Reserve Shooter. It pretty much one shots Scouts as they are in the air 70% of the time. It's a bit hard to hit them for the same reason, but goddamn how good it feels when you do.
Reserve Shot + Pyro Air Blast = HAHAHAHAHAH FUCK YOU!
Post by: The Scout on February 08, 2012, 04:18:21 pm
Post by: Putnam on February 08, 2012, 07:09:40 pm
Degreaser + Reserve Shooter + Mailbox. You can kill people so fast. Or the new pyro flamethrower, the Reserve Shooter, and the Rake. So hard to kill you, and you can do so much damage. Which is why they make me angry.
Axtinguisher can be substituted for mailbox, obviously.
Why would you use the reserve shooter and the new flamer? The new flamer can't airblast, so it's pretty much useless with the reserve shooter...
Post by: Flying Carcass on February 08, 2012, 07:44:15 pm
Post by: The Scout on February 08, 2012, 08:22:21 pm
The switch speed helps. I've also seen people try to jump away from me, once they see I have that flamethrower.Degreaser + Reserve Shooter + Mailbox. You can kill people so fast. Or the new pyro flamethrower, the Reserve Shooter, and the Rake. So hard to kill you, and you can do so much damage. Which is why they make me angry.
Why would you use the reserve shooter and the new flamer? The new flamer can't airblast, so it's pretty much useless with the reserve shooter...
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 08, 2012, 08:39:36 pm
Or use the flare to build MMHHH and unleash it in an ambush.
Post by: Strangething on February 08, 2012, 11:11:23 pm
I just played a few games and I think I know the answer: Reserve Shooter. It pretty much one shots Scouts as they are in the air 70% of the time. It's a bit hard to hit them for the same reason, but goddamn how good it feels when you do.
I thought the RS only critted if the target was blasted into the air. Or did that get changed in a recent update?
Post by: MrWiggles on February 09, 2012, 01:34:33 am
I just played a few games and I think I know the answer: Reserve Shooter. It pretty much one shots Scouts as they are in the air 70% of the time. It's a bit hard to hit them for the same reason, but goddamn how good it feels when you do.
I thought the RS only critted if the target was blasted into the air. Or did that get changed in a recent update?
No, it crits foes in mid after for a few seconds after its drawn. It makes it a nice target of opportunity weapon.
Post by: LASD on February 09, 2012, 04:28:22 am
I just played a few games and I think I know the answer: Reserve Shooter. It pretty much one shots Scouts as they are in the air 70% of the time. It's a bit hard to hit them for the same reason, but goddamn how good it feels when you do.
I thought the RS only critted if the target was blasted into the air. Or did that get changed in a recent update?
That's for Direct Hit. And indeed it was changed and it used to work like the Reserve Shooter, but that change was made frighteningly long ago. Let's see exactly how long from the Wiki:
Oh wow, over two YEARS ago:
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January 13, 2010 Patch
Changed the Direct Hit to only mini-crit enemies that have been launched into the air by an explosion.
P.S. Now that we're on the subject of time, this thread turns THREE YEARS OLD in a few weeks. That's pretty stunning.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 13, 2012, 01:19:05 pm
It was fun for the few minutes I tried it...
Post by: Strangething on February 14, 2012, 12:45:18 am
http://www.tf2crafting.info/
(Did already link to this, or am I thinking of another thread?)
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 14, 2012, 06:13:54 am
Post by: Blargityblarg on February 14, 2012, 06:23:26 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 14, 2012, 06:26:21 am
Post by: Siquo on February 14, 2012, 09:43:24 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 14, 2012, 10:20:09 am
... Spoiler for ya:Well, Hoodoo. But that's a cruddy map so whatevs.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
They generally try to pull that off though. Don't know if I appreciate the implementation of it, just slapping down a bunch of fences to block off the previous map.
Post by: Siquo on February 14, 2012, 10:40:18 am
Edit: oh, Thunder mountain is the exception, I stand corrected.
Post by: Putnam on February 14, 2012, 12:01:15 pm
cp_dustbowl, cp_egypt...
Edit: oh, Thunder mountain is the exception, I stand corrected.
Upward, Badwater basin...
Post by: Enzo on February 14, 2012, 03:09:43 pm
cp_dustbowl, cp_egypt...Upward, Badwater basin...
Edit: oh, Thunder mountain is the exception, I stand corrected.
...Those are one stage maps bro. And in Badwater Red's spawn stays the same the whole round.
So, anyone still dick around with replays? I just realized that they record voice chat now. This makes it about a million times better, as reactions are often the best part.
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 14, 2012, 03:23:35 pm
Post by: jester on February 14, 2012, 06:03:06 pm
If it helps, I knew that most payload maps were done in groups, what I didn't realize was that they were physically connected. I guess I never really gave it much thought. I only realized after standing at the entrance to Goldrush until the round started and then having to turn round and run to the opposite end of the map.
Yeah, all the 3 stages are actually 1 big map broken up, thats how all tf2 maps work
Post by: Metalax on February 14, 2012, 08:29:02 pm
Quote
Updated the Heavy's sandvich so it will only resupply ammo if the owner picks it up after dropping it. This means the only way to gain health from the sandvich is by eating it.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 14, 2012, 08:36:54 pm
New update has bad change.QuoteUpdated the Heavy's sandvich so it will only resupply ammo if the owner picks it up after dropping it. This means the only way to gain health from the sandvich is by eating it.
I am sad Heavy.
Post by: The Scout on February 14, 2012, 09:14:01 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on February 14, 2012, 09:21:26 pm
New update has bad change.QuoteUpdated the Heavy's sandvich so it will only resupply ammo if the owner picks it up after dropping it. This means the only way to gain health from the sandvich is by eating it.
I am sad Heavy.
It is bad day to be giant man :(.
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 14, 2012, 11:20:45 pm
Post by: jester on February 15, 2012, 12:04:23 am
Post by: Enzo on February 15, 2012, 12:37:43 am
does it still give health to other players?
Yes, unless it's bugged.
Actually, I'm kind of happy about this. Dropped sandvich basically made eaten sandvich obsolete, and made it far too easy for a heavy to heal himself quickly.
Throw sandvich does nothing. Also, TF2 is giving me gay item messages. It's amazing and concerning at the same time.
Every time you see "Player X accepted "Player Y's GAY MARRAGE FTW" someone just gave Valve $100. It's mind boggling.
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 15, 2012, 01:38:16 am
Hats off to you Valve. One more step on the road to adding the 'evil' adjective to your genius.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 15, 2012, 03:17:55 am
I think that gift is actually the first time I've ever seen Valve be outright manipulative for profit. It's pointless, useless, ridiculously expensive, they know people will buy it and the only person who actually gets anything tangible is them.Eh, its not anyone substantive then using jumbotron, or air writing, it's also on par with a nice box of chocolates and bundle of nice flowers.
Hats off to you Valve. One more step on the road to adding the 'evil' adjective to your genius.
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 15, 2012, 03:36:01 am
Post by: Enzo on February 15, 2012, 04:07:54 am
As with all their virtual goods, I can't do anything but commend Valve for their brilliant business maneuvering. People are apparently willing to pay $100 for a random announcement. Who knew?
Post by: MrWiggles on February 15, 2012, 04:13:12 am
Mr.Wiggles, do you play on the Lions Den server? Because someone called Wiggles was making the same Jumbotron argument earlier tonight on that server. CRAZY COINCIDENCE.Its become my server of choice.
As with all their virtual goods, I can't do anything but commend Valve for their brilliant business maneuvering. People are apparently willing to pay $100 for a random announcement. Who knew?
Post by: Cecilff2 on February 15, 2012, 09:45:51 am
New update has bad change.Looks like I'll finally be switching to shotty.QuoteUpdated the Heavy's sandvich so it will only resupply ammo if the owner picks it up after dropping it. This means the only way to gain health from the sandvich is by eating it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 15, 2012, 09:50:18 am
I think that gift is actually the first time I've ever seen Valve be outright manipulative for profit. It's pointless, useless, ridiculously expensive, they know people will buy it and the only person who actually gets anything tangible is them.To be fair they fully admit it is a completely stupid thing and nobody should buy it in their announcement.
Hats off to you Valve. One more step on the road to adding the 'evil' adjective to your genius.
My guess? A bet over if he could release a $100 useless item and get some amount to win the bet.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 15, 2012, 04:06:10 pm
Except it costs $100.So?
I don't see how the price is materiel to this. Its not more expensive then other moderate valentine gifts, and it's on same level of other public affirmations.
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I looked up the price for skywriting, and its thousand dollars and up. Which, is as pointless this quick little message.
Nice dinner for two at a nice restaurant could easily cost you 100 bucks. Not uncommon to go get a hotel room for the weekend.
The price seems to be pretty moderate.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 15, 2012, 04:12:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/gpWzj.png)Except it costs $100.So?
But yeah, not really a rebuttal to any points about Gabe and more about the community.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 15, 2012, 04:16:28 pm
Eh.(http://i.imgur.com/gpWzj.png)Except it costs $100.So?
But yeah, not really a rebuttal to any points about Gabe and more about the community.
I saw some obeseness messages besides one like thus, but baring racial epitaphs, you can probably bizarre messages written for sky writing, or a message on a jumbotron.
Post by: Descan on February 15, 2012, 09:24:08 pm
Post by: jester on February 16, 2012, 01:57:03 am
Cringeworthy, but you must bow down to the size of the troll.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 16, 2012, 11:11:06 am
Post by: Descan on February 16, 2012, 11:31:51 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 16, 2012, 09:47:59 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on February 16, 2012, 10:33:45 pm
Holy hell, the sanvich fix has really caused a ton of people to whine. The Steam forums are especially bad about it, and I know how much they love to wine about little things. And I know they are wrong because they keep insisting that tossing a sanvich to the ground for instant 150hp is somehow considered skill.Its very hard to alt fire on the sandwich, then you gotta know where to aim so you can plan where you're running for best optimization of the health gain.
Its very hard. Its like pyro air blasting.
Post by: jc6036 on February 16, 2012, 10:59:22 pm
Holy hell, the sanvich fix has really caused a ton of people to whine. The Steam forums are especially bad about it, and I know how much they love to wine about little things. And I know they are wrong because they keep insisting that tossing a sanvich to the ground for instant 150hp is somehow considered skill.I wish that Valve would give us another 100 dollar item that, if bought, would alert a valve employee and tell them to go and and give whiners a (physical) slap to the face.
Post by: jester on February 16, 2012, 11:14:46 pm
Post by: Enzo on February 16, 2012, 11:25:01 pm
Its very hard. Its like pyro air blasting.
I know you're being facetious, but are you saying airblasts don't require skill? There's a lot involved with using airblasts to maximum effectiveness.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 16, 2012, 11:56:06 pm
My bigger problem is ive never heard anybody complain about it, compared to about 10 other weps that are obviously oped/underpowered and nothing gets doneThe Sanvich got a great deal of grief when it first came out because of all the classes to receive essentially free self-healing, it had to be the class with the most health to sustain itself with. It really is one of the oldest problem weapons. And where the Natasha got nerfed into oblivion, this got minor changes to the point where it was kind of silly.
I'll concede that the sanvich could be improved. How abouts when using M1 the food bar won't deplete, only when you drop it for a teammate. Unlimited self-heals, but only if you survive.
Post by: jester on February 17, 2012, 12:42:40 am
Still FIX THE DAMN ENFORCER AND DEADRINGER VALVE YOU SHITTERS. rant
Post by: Osmosis Jones on February 17, 2012, 12:52:04 am
I'll concede that the sanvich could be improved. How abouts when using M1 the food bar won't deplete, only when you drop it for a teammate. Unlimited self-heals, but only if you survive.
So... going back to how it was when the M2 option was first added?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 17, 2012, 12:52:58 am
I'll concede that the sanvich could be improved. How abouts when using M1 the food bar won't deplete, only when you drop it for a teammate. Unlimited self-heals, but only if you survive.
So... going back to how it was when the M2 option was first added?
Pretty much.
Post by: Orangebottle on February 17, 2012, 04:07:04 am
Well, it still heals other players, so im not all that unhappy about it, heavy is for noobs anyway.I don't see how they're broken.
Still FIX THE DAMN ENFORCER AND DEADRINGER VALVE YOU SHITTERS. rant
Deadringer's cloak is much shorter than that the other two watches, and then there's all the weapons that counter cloaking. Jarate(MON DIEU!), Mad Milk, Flamethrower, Backburner, Degreaser, Phlogistinator, Flare Gun, Detonator, Man Melter, Volcano Fragment(I do believe I'm on fire.), Southern Hospitality, Pomson 6000(one hit seals Spy's fate or cuts his DR time in half), Boston Basher, Three-rune Blade, Sydney Sleeper, Tribalman's Shiv, Cow Mangler(alt fire), Minigun*, Iron Curtain*, Tomislav*, Brass Beast*, and Natascha*.
With the Enforcer, if you nerf it, spies will just use the Ambassador(which kills most classes with two well-placed shots). Nerfing it is pointless.
Besides that, most classes have weapons that are powerful(Backburner, Sydney Sleeper, Loch n Load, Huntsman, Machina, Level 3 Sentry, Widowmaker, Pomson, Wrangler, Phlogistinator, Black Box, Direct Hit). Spy is the most difficult class to play and shouldn't be nerfed at all.
*provided heavy can aim his bullet hose of choice in the right direction.
I actually like the new heavy update. I can actually pick my sandvich back up when I miss the teammate I'm tossing it to and they don't come back to nom it.
I'll concede that the sanvich could be improved. How abouts when using M1 the food bar won't deplete, only when you drop it for a teammate. Unlimited self-heals, but only if you survive.No, that just leads to people bitching about the heavy who camps one area and heals himself constantly.
Post by: Enzo on February 17, 2012, 04:49:09 am
Also, since when is the Sydney Sleeper a powerful upgrade to the regular Rifle? Did I miss something?
Post by: jester on February 17, 2012, 04:55:11 am
Problem with the enforcer is 2 fold. Blindingly obvious one being with the DR it has no debuff at all. Noob spys everywhere have worked this one out.
Second being that the revolver was already a powerful gun. Giving the spy the ability to take down 3 full health players without reloading or requiring any serious aiming is again stupid. The spy has backstabs for 1 shot kills, they require a bit of skill. Staggering round, 2 shotting an engi infront of 1/2 his team then happily wandering off with 2 players hammering crap out you cause you know they will never be able to take you down (16 stickies cant even kill a DR) has turned the spy from a high skill class into a bit of a joke.
For some fun proof of this, get a friend to go kritzmed and you go DR/enforcer spy, then play him like a face up combat class with the med on you. Better damage output than almost any other gun ruins the spy.
edit, ninjaed. And sleeper is lower powered than normal rifle, backburner lower than normal, (phlogy is getting a nerf though, its more powerful). Actually everything but the phlogy you mentioned there is less powerful than the vanilla versions
Post by: MrWiggles on February 17, 2012, 06:27:48 am
No random crits, and no air blasting are a huge debuff. I can't tell ya how naked you feel going against soldiers & demo's. I feel sorta useless not being able to airblast team mates.
The Crit System being turned off the weapons, means that you're playing flat, irrespective on how your playing. The Crit System gets kicked in when you're having a low, or having a high. Its a great system.
The huge Damage Block for when you're taunting is necessary. What happens when you taunt in game? You die. (And of course I'm not talking about taunting during start up times.) Then of course, your MmMph timer starts to go down as soon as you initiate the Taunt, which of course announces that you're about to become an eternal force of flames.
What about the health gain? Who cares. The Health Gain makes triggering the MmmmMph a strategic option, and a save your ass button, much like how medic can bust out Uber. It makes the using the MMMmmph viable, similar to how Demo swords allow them to gain health in alternative methods.
And the MmMph meter gets restarted when you go to a resupply cabinet.
There are far more wasted MMMmph then there are successful ones, and its counter strategy run parallel to that of an uber. Spread Out, Avoid, or Air Juggle.
Lets define wasted Mmmph charges. A wasted MMmph charge is when its completed, but you die, or when its completed but you visit a resupply cabinet, or you activate it, but die before your taunt is done, you die when its activated, you activate and there no one to use it on.
A somewhat decent Pyro with luck can be pretty devastating with it, and MMMph + Uber combo, is quite opponent. (Though the Taunt time eats a lot into the uber time.) But this isn't a unique statement for the pyro.
I switched away from the Pholg because it lacks air blast.
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Post by: Orangebottle on February 17, 2012, 12:51:34 pm
The problem with Enforcer + DR is that it's a straight upgrade. There is literally no benefit to using the default revolver with the DR. While it may not be overpowered, it's certainly unbalanced. The difference with the other weapons you listed is that they all have a trade-offThere is literally no benefit to using the default revolver, period.
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Also, since when is the Sydney Sleeper a powerful upgrade to the regular Rifle? Did I miss something?It's a fast-shooting rifle that jarates targets it doesn't outright kill at full charge. It doesn't even require you to aim as well, because it can't get headshots. Also, that entire set is incredibly OP in sniper vs sniper combat.
DR basically makes the spy invincible and invisible, there isnt a hell of alot of skill to it, there are alot of loops where a spy can grab full metal and some health, jump into enemy teams, stagger round in a blindingly obvious fashion and then stagger back to the full metal and health pile and do it all again. DR takes all the skill out of spy. Even if you do happen to hit a cloaked DR with any of the weps you have mentioned besides the pomson (ill pay that is almost a counter) 70% of the time the spy will be able to stagger back to his lines with 4 enemies attacking him constantly, the 90% damage reduction is just stupid.Um, no. Flamethrowers, flare guns, volcano fragment, and throwable jars of <insert liquid> reveal him. It's also stupid easy to guess where the DR spy is going: the nearest medkit/ammo box. Four enemies attacking constantly would destroy DR spy; have you ever played as him? It's still just as difficult, because you have to get into the enemy base without any real cloak(or have a high chance of being noticed).
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Problem with the enforcer is 2 fold. Blindingly obvious one being with the DR it has no debuff at all. Noob spys everywhere have worked this one out.It does have a debuff. I believe I've mentioned the cloak time before. I've had several moments where my cloak has run out at the absolute worst time(IE in front of a pyro) and lead to my death. There's also the incredibly loud and obvious decloaking sound.
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Second being that the revolver was already a powerful gun. Giving the spy the ability to take down 3 full health players without reloading or requiring any serious aiming is again stupid.That's assuming he hits them. I have problems with hitting people with the enforcer, even at close range.
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Staggering round, 2 shotting an engi infront of 1/2 his team then happily wandering off with 2 players hammering crap out you cause you know they will never be able to take you down (16 stickies cant even kill a DR) has turned the spy from a high skill class into a bit of a joke.Engie has it too easy, IMO. Especially with the advent of the Pomson. Remember that by nerfing the spy, you're buffing the engineer, the class that spy is designed to counter. Also, two players hammering the crap out of the spy would kill him before or after he used his DR, depending on the class. Sure, two scouts might have trouble, but a pyro and a heavy? Pow, spy is dead. Twice.
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For some fun proof of this, get a friend to go kritzmed and you go DR/enforcer spy, then play him like a face up combat class with the med on you. Better damage output than almost any other gun ruins the spy.Do you realize how utterly ridiculous that sounds? You're saying that the Enforcer is better than any minigun, any rocket launcher, any flamethrower, and any grenade launcher.
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edit, ninjaed. And sleeper is lower powered than normal rifle, backburner lower than normal, (phlogy is getting a nerf though, its more powerful). Actually everything but the phlogy you mentioned there is less powerful than the vanilla versionsNot really, no. Backburner does massive crit damage from behind(almost instantly killing every class), flare gun does crit damage, Southern Hospitality and Tribalman's Shiv do bleed damage, the Degreaser makes it easier to do more crits by switching to your flare gun/axtinguisher, the Phlogistinator is OP as fuck(it's the only weapon I know that can destroy an entire team in seconds flat), and the Pomson pierces targets while draining ubercharge and cloak and having infinite ammo.
Post by: Strange guy on February 17, 2012, 01:02:12 pm
the Phlogistinator is OP as fuck(it's the only weapon I know that can destroy an entire team in seconds flat)
Apparently you aren't aware of the heavy class (higher dps than crit phogistinator). The Phlog really isn't OP at all, it's damage can be high sure but it's close range and on a class with unimpressive mobility and health.
Post by: Orangebottle on February 17, 2012, 01:29:52 pm
I'm aware that heavy exists. He's too slow compared to the Pyro. He also needs a medic + maybe an uber to wipe out an entire team, and he doesn't do it as fast as Phloggy Pyro can.the Phlogistinator is OP as fuck(it's the only weapon I know that can destroy an entire team in seconds flat)
Apparently you aren't aware of the heavy class (higher dps than crit phogistinator). The Phlog really isn't OP at all, it's damage can be high sure but it's close range and on a class with unimpressive mobility and health.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 17, 2012, 01:30:01 pm
DR is fine. A skilled spy can utilize it to delightful effect. Bad spies just take a little longer to deal with but are still killed. It is a very difficult item to use with its loud decloak sound and you have to know how far you can escape to with how much cloak you have.
The Enforcer is an odd one. I do feel the damage boost is quite hefty for the class and proper downsides for what strength it grants would just make it useless. I don't think spies should have their primary attack deal that much damage all the time. They have incredible tools at their disposal balanced by their low survivability straight up and a more difficult time killing things with their gun(Which is already really incredibly strong). That much power with those tools is just frustrating.
Phlog is mostly fine. Less able to straight-up deal with guys in exchange for a very powerful ambush ability. I would be perfectly okay with the required fire damage being upped and/or damage resistance during taunt being lowered. A pyro should not be able to bumrush a crowd, fill their MMHHH in a second and instantly get full health and resistance for a few seconds. That is a bad ambush and they should feel bad. I feel one should activate it behind cover and then rush out with their basically mobile minigun. Health is fine, as you'll save a lot more health with reflects than health regained from the taunt. It also makes the Pyro better capable of surviving roaming around, as he'll have to do to utilize this ambush weapon.
Most of the weapons Orange listed sorts overloooked the downsides that make most of them weaker than vanilla weapons in general play.
Pomson is sorta in the Phlog category of a good concept that could use a few tweaks. Uber drain is fine I got no problem with it when playing as a medic. Just have it tweaked so pierce hits don't drain uber and uber drain drops over range. Hit a medic through his heavy? Deals damage but doesn't draim uber. You were either ambushed or have bad positioning if the engineer hit the medic before the medic target. Drain reduced at range helps deal with the spammy nature of the weapon. Getting nailed four times? You just slowed down by a second or so. No problem.
I kinda want to keep the ballsy engineer who jumps at an uber pair before they try to take on his sentry and drains them as the medic deploys, causing them to be shredded by the sentry. Easy to avoid problem by ubering a little earlier and a huge reward for an engineer who has BALLS.
Post by: Enzo on February 17, 2012, 03:43:44 pm
The problem with Enforcer + DR is that it's a straight upgrade. There is literally no benefit to using the default revolver with the DR. While it may not be overpowered, it's certainly unbalanced. The difference with the other weapons you listed is that they all have a trade-offThere is literally no benefit to using the default revolver, period.
Except that the default revolver has higher base damage than any other spy gun excluding the enforcer. Improved damage is a benefit, and don't tell me the Ambassador has higher DPS because of the headshots since it's incredibly difficult to pull them off reliably on moving targets. The other guns are better in certain situations or playstyles, but if you're already using the DR the Enforcer is just a straight damage boost.
QuoteProblem with the enforcer is 2 fold. Blindingly obvious one being with the DR it has no debuff at all. Noob spys everywhere have worked this one out.It does have a debuff. I believe I've mentioned the cloak time before. I've had several moments where my cloak has run out at the absolute worst time(IE in front of a pyro) and lead to my death. There's also the incredibly loud and obvious decloaking sound.
The DR itself isn't the problem, it has it's own tradeoffs (shorter cloak, not being able to cloak when you want, being vulnerable unless it's completely filled), but is powerful enough that it doesn't need an upgrade. The Enforcer is exactly that, it gives a bonus without any penalty if you're using DR.
QuoteSecond being that the revolver was already a powerful gun. Giving the spy the ability to take down 3 full health players without reloading or requiring any serious aiming is again stupid.That's assuming he hits them. I have problems with hitting people with the enforcer, even at close range.
That doesn't really have anything to do with the gun. The point is that if you can hit your target, it makes spies viable in head-to-head combat against anything except the power classes, especially in conjunction with the DR's ability to let you absorb a blow and make an escape if things end up going pear-shaped. This is in addition to their original array of skills.
In other news, the Phlog and the Pomson could use a bit of a debuff, but they're mostly fine.
Post by: jester on February 17, 2012, 04:46:31 pm
And from the tf2 wiki
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The Enforcer delivers 20% more damage to enemies than the Revolver, at the expense of a 0.5 second increase in the time it takes to activate the Spy's Cloak ability. This delay applies to all watches except the Dead Ringer.
Again, there is no debuff if you use the enforcer with the DR. Its a flat damage upgrade at no cost.
And yes, with a personal kritz med a DR enforcer spy can front on sollis and demos in the right hands, 5 and 6 kill kritzs put it on par with the rocket launcher.
Post by: Strange guy on February 17, 2012, 05:25:48 pm
I'm aware that heavy exists. He's too slow compared to the Pyro. He also needs a medic + maybe an uber to wipe out an entire team, and he doesn't do it as fast as Phloggy Pyro can.
Every class should be able to kill a pyro before they get into flamethrower range with varying difficulty (no airblast pyros are a joke for soldiers and demos, heavies and sentries shred them, scouts outrun them, back-peddle and needle should work, spies and snipers shouldn't have it easy), taking out a heavy with their longer range and greater health is a bit more challenging. Pyros do have to earn those crits anyway, heavies are that deadly constantly.
Post by: Keltiknight on February 17, 2012, 07:11:37 pm
I know, that was a text wall, and very unorganized, but its just my thoughts on the matter, mainly from personal experience as a spy (My most played class.)
Post by: jester on February 17, 2012, 07:19:51 pm
Post by: The Scout on February 17, 2012, 07:43:13 pm
Post by: jester on February 17, 2012, 08:29:23 pm
The 90% reduction doesn't last the entire cloak. Only a few seconds. Then hell will be upon the spy who stays that long.
Lasts the entire time cloak is active, as well as for the hit that actually causes the cloak. Check the item details or the wiki
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 17, 2012, 08:32:24 pm
The 90% reduction doesn't last the entire cloak. Only a few seconds. Then hell will be upon the spy who stays that long.
Lasts the entire time cloak is active, as well as for the hit that actually causes the cloak. Check the item details or the wiki
That's assuming that you don't pick up any ammo or refill your cloak meter. The damage reduction ends after the ~6.5 seconds or so that it takes for the cloak to normal drain, regardless of whether you are cloaked or not. Extending the cloak won't extend the length of the damage reduction.
Post by: jester on February 17, 2012, 08:38:32 pm
Post by: Enzo on February 18, 2012, 03:52:41 am
Let's all just enjoy something beautiful. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOqxUsnSA2c)
Post by: Myroc on February 22, 2012, 11:05:50 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: mr. macduggan on February 22, 2012, 12:22:08 pm
Post by: Strange guy on February 22, 2012, 12:29:48 pm
I don't want more lasers in my 1950s themed game Q.Q
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but if not I kind of agree, but think that horse has bolted. The artstyle is far too dead to be further damaged by anything that's not totally horrible.
Saboteur as a scout weapon name? Mule molester? Not the best names. Supposedly the mule molester is a pun based on 'ass kicker', but molesting and kicking are slightly different things... Medic ones are alright.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 22, 2012, 02:35:12 pm
Ideally, the Sabatour would somehow mitigate the sentry somehow, giving the scout an edge. Perhaps it has an alt-fire that stuns turrets? Anyway, something to let him get in close to untended engie nests and clear them out.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 22, 2012, 02:41:14 pm
I absolutely love the Mule Molestor
Post by: MrWiggles on February 22, 2012, 04:36:11 pm
Which works for the Scout.
Post by: Flying Carcass on February 22, 2012, 05:00:15 pm
On a side note, there's an idea for an engineer secondary...:
Brass Beast of Burden
Allows the construction of a robot mule the engineer can store a built sentry, dispenser, and teleporter inside at the the same time (they would be in the unbuilt, "carried" state, of course). The items stored inside could be of any level. The robot mule would have the health of a mini sentry and would be vulnerable to sappers. It would follow the engineer until the engineer removes all the items from inside it. Equipping the Brass Beast of Burden would remove the wrench's ability to speed up assembling by hitting buildings. Replaces the pistol. The Brass Beast of Burden would provide engineers with a convenient method of getting an engineer nest to the front lines quickly while remaining vulnerable to interception.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 22, 2012, 05:29:42 pm
The engie should never carry anything for more than five seconds. He certainly should never carry everything from the spawn to the front lines.
A level one sentry that is operational ten seconds from now is far, far more useful than a level three sentry that will be operational several minutes from now, and infinitely more useful than a level three that was destroyed when the engie carring it was shot.
Here's a quick primer on engie strategy:
1: First, build an entrance. If there's setup time, upgrade it. If it's level 3 and you still have time in setup, build everything else.
2: Leave everything there. Get shotgun. Get out the front gate asap. Kill enemies
3: Find a good place for a teleporter exit. Throw it down and keep moving.
4: Set up the sentry in a good place to harass the enemy.
5: Set up the dispenser in a good place to help your allies.
6: 3,4, and 5 should be different places.
7: Rotate between these places and mix it up.
Of course, it's a bit different in defense; you have time to establish a nest before the game starts. However, don't just build all three things on top of each other. Space them out enough so that enemies can't take them all out at once.
Remember, if you've carried something for more than five seconds, you might as well leave it be, then remote-detonate it and rebuild it whereever you're going.
Post by: umiman on February 22, 2012, 06:06:55 pm
It's probably the most important thing in his arsenal.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 22, 2012, 06:35:19 pm
Post by: Enzo on February 22, 2012, 06:53:23 pm
Absolutely. One player, of any class, is more powerful than a sentry, on average.
I wouldn't say that, necessarily. But a sentry's usefulness is inversely proportional to the skill of the enemy team. Against a skilled, or even just coordinated team they're little more than a distraction.
The only time I prioritize a sentry over a tele is when there's a short distance between spawn and the area I'm trying to lock down, or the battlefield's a huge clusterfuck and I'm worried about being able to defend my other gear.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 22, 2012, 07:29:08 pm
A sentry is an denial of area weapon, and to give your team mates a safe place to fall back too.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 22, 2012, 09:04:20 pm
If you have tried to build on the front lines but get interrupted a few times then just build at spawn.
Also new sentry idea because this one is baller.
+Shots have reverse knockback
+200% knockback effect
+Rockets at Level 3 increase knockback effect on target by 200%(Additive)
-Suffers falloff
-Damage reduction(15-20%, whatever works best)
Basically a sentry for going "GET OVER HERE!". I want it to do low damage at range but pulls enemies closer, dealing quite a bit of damage at close range. I was considering a much more massive damage nerf(50%?) and dealing minicrits at point-blank range, but the pull mechanic seems more of the point and is already incredibly powerful. I may want to decrease the health or make this sentry not be affected by falloff/allow crits to deal extra damage to allow a chance for captured enemies to escape the situation, and force engies to help it out and kill their victim before they destroy the gun.
Knockback changes will just be simple. When hit by the level 3 rockets the victim will receive double knockback force for perhaps eight seconds? I want to leave some extra time on there so soldiers and demos can have some fun, but not too much time so a wall of bullets doesn't become a pushback wall on whatever uberpairs decide to rush in. The bullets of this gun would deal quadruple knockback on targets affected by the rocket debuff.
Two options for how falloff would work. Either the very edge of the range for the sentrygunwould suffer a .5 multiplier to damage which would be reduced until a 1.0 multiplier at midrange. Or the second option of having .5 damage at the furthest tip which curves up to 1.0 at point-blank. Both of these would apply to the max range of the Sentrygun, 1100 HU. Midrange for the gun would just be halfway, 550 HU.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 23, 2012, 01:12:14 am
A sentry that has reverse knockback and no other changes might be interesting...
Post by: Orangebottle on February 23, 2012, 03:01:11 am
A sentry that has reverse knockback and no other changes might be interesting...If by interesting you mean,"The most OP weapon in the game", sure.
It's hard enough to not die from a sentry when you CAN run away from it. A vacuum sentry would be a direct upgrade. Buffing something that doesn't need buffing at all is bad.
Post by: klingon13524 on February 23, 2012, 03:55:00 am
Also new sentry idea because this one is baller.At that point just make it a straight up deploy-able tractor beam. Has more health than a normal sentry, faster to set up, longer range, prioritizes fast moving targets, completely distinct art and hitbox, can only shoot around 50 degrees in front of itself, replaces normal wrench and replaces normal sentry. Not sure about leveling it up.
+Shots have reverse knockback
+200% knockback effect
+Rockets at Level 3 increase knockback effect on target by 200%(Additive)
-Suffers falloff
-Damage reduction(15-20%, whatever works best)
Post by: ThtblovesDF on February 23, 2012, 10:32:35 am
Tractor beam sentry sounds like fun. Add a shield (take only 10% of normal damage or so from the front)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 23, 2012, 10:40:27 am
The addition of falloff to the SG would help mitigate the tractor beam effect at longer ranges and provide a way for enemies to escape if they are quick on their feet. It also ensures that despite dealing constant damage it won't kill a target before it gets pulled in close. Knockback boost is added to compensate for the heavily reduced damage at most ranges so it can achieve its job somewhat. I consider adding slower turn speed to help out scouts a little bit.
Gotta be fragile though; I want foes to have a chance of dealing with this thing. Some mechanic for dealing more damage to it the closer you are. I don't know if ramp-up affects sentries though. I know crits don't, so who knows.
If your team can't protect you long enough to build a level 1 sentry, what makes you think you can get a level 3 built, carried, and then deployed under fire any better? And worse, the time it takes you to build that sentry is time the enemy isn't dealing with your sentry at all. A level one in place is worth something; a level three that isn't placed somewhere, or died in transit when the enemy team targets the soft, squishy engineer carrying it, is worthless.A level 1 sentry can easily be dealt with by two people. A level 3 is slightly more problematic and provides much better area denial. This generally works better on cart maps where you can afford to take some time letting the enemy team advance so long as your gun is denying a part of the track later on. It's still a very situational tactic though.
A sentry that has reverse knockback and no other changes might be interesting...
Post by: Sonlirain on February 23, 2012, 12:18:41 pm
Any tips for playing a fully melee demo?
Or should i just forget about the whole thing and spam stickies?
Post by: Angel Of Death on February 23, 2012, 12:36:55 pm
Any tips for playing a fully melee demo?1: Ambushing is your friend
2: Do NOT charge into battle just to kill 1 person when you will surely die.
3: Cornered people are dead people. Back people into corners as much as you can.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 23, 2012, 12:41:36 pm
2: Do NOT charge into battle just to kill 1 person when you will surely die.Unless you have the Critana
Post by: Sonlirain on February 23, 2012, 12:55:27 pm
Oh and i should aquire a Half Zatochi.
Points taken.
Post by: MaximumZero on February 23, 2012, 12:56:06 pm
Mule molester? Not the best names. Supposedly the mule molester is a pun based on 'ass kicker', but molesting and kicking are slightly different things... Medic ones are alright.If they're going to go that far with it, it should be named the "Donkey Puncher". :P
Post by: klingon13524 on February 23, 2012, 01:10:15 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on February 23, 2012, 02:10:47 pm
I suppose this is as good a time as any to spout my irrelevant opinion that demoknights are a broken tacked on no skill mess that make no sense in any context whatsoever in this dimension or similar time-space dimensions and promote Valve's agenda of monetization and world dominance as well as cultural degradation and condistinction.
Well you're pretty much right.
Demoknights are probably the only class that completely changes it's playstyle by items alone.
A soldier acts like a soldier no matter what rocket launcher he uses. A Heavy is more or less the same with every gun (maybe with the exeption of the steak + brass beast + spirit but that set kinda sucks) but a demoman? Nope he changes from being a demolitions expert into a raging sword/axe swinging berserker.
Those dudes could ba a class of their own.
I still want the guard dogs tho...
Post by: Enzo on February 23, 2012, 03:00:31 pm
Other tips: The axe is one of the worst demo melee weapons, a speed penalty is one of the harshest penalties in the game. The Splendid Screen is also widely considered an upgrade to the Targe, I never see anyone using the Targe anymore. Remember to use your charge to escape when seriously damaged. Never charge a sniper who is facing you - traveling in a straight line towards a sniper, however fast, results in head-shoot. Or a spun-up Heavy for that matter. Also, practice on KOTH maps, one of the places they're most viable. Nucleus and Harvest are the only maps I can MVP as demoknight (on a server with decent players, I mean).
And I don't want to necro the trade thread so I'm selling stranges + hats:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 23, 2012, 03:05:30 pm
Post by: jester on February 23, 2012, 07:47:40 pm
The axe works alright with the sticky jumper. NOBODY CAN ESCAPE
Caber is better, induces soo much rage
Post by: Cbast on February 23, 2012, 10:34:20 pm
Post by: jester on February 23, 2012, 11:24:03 pm
Hey folks ! I didn't know this forum had a TF2 thread :3 I have some files on the workshop if you mind to take a look : http://steamcommunity.com/id/Shizzy-san/myworkshopfiles
Nice stuff, love the pyro train thrower, though Id say the axe would be better with a steam whistle or something hanging off it to make it a bit more steampunkish
Post by: Enzo on February 23, 2012, 11:37:44 pm
Which brings up an interesting point, actually. This TF2012 business, they seem to only be bringing in community misc items. I wonder if they'll start implementing weapons, at least as officially sanctioned reskins.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 23, 2012, 11:55:17 pm
There are exceptions though, but not very many.
Post by: jc6036 on February 24, 2012, 12:10:44 am
Let's just say that all it took was two trigger pulls to eliminate half of the enemy team.
Awesome.
Also, question. I tried a map I hadn't seen before, called Steel. It has a unique capture point system to any other I've seen, and I was wondering what it's major faults are. I quit before the round was out because I joined mid game and my team was in a seemingly unpassable chokepoint, so I didn't see much of it. At the least the 4 control points allowing access to the main center point sounds like an interesting concept (or maybe a glorified and overcomplicated version of Attack/Defend). So what are your thoughts on it?
Post by: Osmosis Jones on February 24, 2012, 12:11:51 am
Post by: MrWiggles on February 24, 2012, 12:20:50 am
I find it's geometry confusing as fuck. I've only recently been able to get out Red to Point A or B.
God damn. Its fucking confusing.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 24, 2012, 12:29:57 am
Post by: MrWiggles on February 24, 2012, 12:30:32 am
Steel is the best map on the standard playlist.I hate you.
Post by: Enzo on February 24, 2012, 12:45:01 am
I find it's geometry confusing as fuck. I've only recently been able to get out Red to Point A or B.
God damn. Its fucking confusing.
Red spawn has signs telling you which exit to use.
Weapons are a much larger deal and actually impact the play on TF2. Considering how much shit each new weapon that Valve introduces, and also considering that everyone thinks they're a game designer from their office, it'll probably spell diaster.
There are exceptions though, but not very many.
Which is why I specified, "at least as officially sanctioned reskins". I'm expecting more reskins, weapons with a different look but same effect, in the future considering valve has already opened that door with the Postal Pummeller, Maul, Wanga Prick, etc. Seems likely there'll be a bunch more eventually, but right now valve is sticking to misc items to fill out their 2-misc-slots upgrade.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on February 24, 2012, 12:59:17 am
Hate me too then.Steel is the best map on the standard playlist.I hate you.
Post by: MrWiggles on February 24, 2012, 01:14:24 am
The deal with Steel is that the final point is always open to capture, but it's right beside Red spawn, incredibly open to attack, for the first couple of points you can only reach it by double/sticky/rocket jump and Blue has to take an alternate route avoiding the current cap point to reach it. It makes it harder to defend because a single scout on point E can make half of Red team divert their attention. It's kind of a fun map, but I'm pretty bad at it. It's also a horrible spy map, attacking or defending. The worst. It's practically designed as a big fuck-you to spies.And they don't fucking help.I find it's geometry confusing as fuck. I've only recently been able to get out Red to Point A or B.
God damn. Its fucking confusing.
Red spawn has signs telling you which exit to use.
Post by: jester on February 24, 2012, 01:22:43 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 24, 2012, 02:54:32 am
It's also a horrible spy map, attacking or defending. The worst. It's practically designed as a big fuck-you to spies.What no are you kidding? Yes the small halls make pyros maul spies, but the blind turns and hidey-holes and side-routes make Scouts, Spies and Pyros work incredibly well on this map. It's made for ambushes and out-maneuvering your opponent.
Post by: Enzo on February 24, 2012, 03:28:31 am
You know what? Maybe I'm just bad at this map. Actually, attacking as spy I've had a bit of luck since Red team sort of expects people to be running all over the place in random directions, giving you a bit of leeway. But defense spy has very little opportunities to operate effectively.
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on February 24, 2012, 03:35:22 am
Your avatar freaks me out. The first time I saw it I wasn't sure if it was moving or not.
Post by: Enzo on February 24, 2012, 03:40:34 am
Your avatar freaks me out. The first time I saw it I wasn't sure if it was moving or not.
SUCCESS.
Post by: NinjaBoot on February 24, 2012, 05:02:58 am
Ps. Best TF2 map ever is any point-capture map! :)
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on February 24, 2012, 05:26:07 am
So, uh.. do snipers have rifles that let them no-scope yet? :D
Ps. Best TF2 map ever is any point-capture map! :)
Yeah, it's called the huntsman.
Post by: NinjaBoot on February 24, 2012, 05:40:35 am
So, uh.. do snipers have rifles that let them no-scope yet? :D
Ps. Best TF2 map ever is any point-capture map! :)
Yeah, it's called the huntsman.
Pfft, real snipers don't use bows and arrows, they use fully charged scopes in no-scope to walk around the map virtually impervious! :O Miss that from TFC :(
Yeah, I dunno.. never been a fan of the huntsman. I guess I'm just used to shooting heads with a rifle!
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on February 24, 2012, 06:15:14 am
So, uh.. do snipers have rifles that let them no-scope yet? :D
Ps. Best TF2 map ever is any point-capture map! :)
Yeah, it's called the huntsman.
Pfft, real snipers don't use bows and arrows, they use fully charged scopes in no-scope to walk around the map virtually impervious! :O Miss that from TFC :(
Yeah, I dunno.. never been a fan of the huntsman. I guess I'm just used to shooting heads with a rifle!
I'm only good with classes they need finesse and great skill to play as. So mostly Pyro, Demoknight, and Medic.
Post by: Exerosp on February 24, 2012, 07:07:15 am
Post by: jester on February 24, 2012, 07:36:35 am
Post by: klingon13524 on February 24, 2012, 07:48:17 am
So, uh.. do snipers have rifles that let them no-scope yet? :DI'd suggest listening to the developer commentary, they designed the sniper specifically so nobody could noscope with him. Since then they've added the huntsmen, but mostly that principle stand true.
Ps. Best TF2 map ever is any point-capture map! :)
Also, add [DFC]klingon13524 to your Steam friends list if you need scrap banking!
Post by: jester on February 24, 2012, 08:29:11 am
Post by: Metalax on February 24, 2012, 08:31:42 am
Post by: klingon13524 on February 24, 2012, 09:01:31 am
Not to sound silly, but what is scrap banking and how does it work?Weapons in TF2 are pretty much useless to you if you have more than one of each, or if you never use that weapon. Give me two of any weapon, and I'll give you a piece of digital scrap metal. A weapon you actually would like to have is worth one "scrap", while you can only craft "scraps" with two junk weapons. You can't just craft them together yourself usually because they must be usable the same class. I then take these weapons and either turn them into more scrap for 0 profit, or sell them for one scrap each and profit.
It's a win win situation, as we render services to each other and we both "profit". When I first started playing, I thought it was just a common form of charity!
Post by: Cecilff2 on February 24, 2012, 11:35:51 am
noscope+kritzkrieg = 150 damage a shot = hilarious
My friend was trying to mess me up with a kritz medic once on turbine when I was sniper. Running in front of my scope, only healed me, jumped around drawing attention to the area.
He eventually kritzed me. Ran out of the tunnel I was in and killed 6 people with noscope shots.
Post by: Werdna on February 24, 2012, 12:02:16 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on February 24, 2012, 12:20:20 pm
I did notice a LOT of engies with the minisentry using them like a normal sentry.
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 24, 2012, 01:51:53 pm
I had a good night as medic yesterday, got stack babbed a couple times but only after I'd been causing some trouble. The big problem I had was the team having some kind of medic-phobia and avoiding me like the plauge while I'm trying to charge up my uber... and that one demo who decided that the best use for an uber is to switch to bottle.
That's the most hilarious kind of uber. I approve.
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 24, 2012, 05:57:08 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on February 24, 2012, 06:01:22 pm
Post by: jc6036 on February 24, 2012, 06:08:05 pm
Post by: Strangething on February 25, 2012, 01:25:19 am
Didn't they add a big new 5cp map? I haven't seen anyone play it at all...
You mean Foundry? It's a lot of fun.
Also, I have a question. I recently got a decal tool. Does anyone know whether this drops as a hat or as a weapon? Because I have not gotten a random hat since I upgraded to Premium.
Post by: jester on February 25, 2012, 06:53:29 am
Didn't they add a big new 5cp map? I haven't seen anyone play it at all...
You mean Foundry? It's a lot of fun.
Also, I have a question. I recently got a decal tool. Does anyone know whether this drops as a hat or as a weapon? Because I have not gotten a random hat since I upgraded to Premium.
Its a tool actually, like duels, nametags or paint, that said, if you are thinking there is a timer between hat drops or something, its totally random, ive had 2 in a week and none for 2 months
Post by: jaxy15 on February 25, 2012, 08:23:57 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on February 25, 2012, 08:29:08 am
Post by: klingon13524 on February 25, 2012, 08:43:01 am
Post by: Metalax on February 25, 2012, 08:55:59 am
To the best of my knowledge the only items that have a seperate drop timer are crates, everything else shares the same timer.
Post by: jc6036 on February 25, 2012, 12:30:07 pm
I think I'd like to trade them to my fellow bay 12ers for something.
I'm looking at some junk heavy stuff, since I'm trying to craft a new heavy primary. I've already got a slot token, I just need a class token and I don't have enough stuff to fabricate or recreate one.
Post by: DJ on February 25, 2012, 02:13:04 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on February 25, 2012, 02:29:42 pm
You can get hats as random drops?I've got a few, just a month ago I got the soldier cowboy hat. I am super happy about it.
Although I'm willing to trade that badboy away for the new conquistador hat.
Post by: DJ on February 25, 2012, 02:39:52 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on February 25, 2012, 02:43:17 pm
Post by: jc6036 on February 25, 2012, 03:48:38 pm
So, I've got 3 series 37 crates and nothing to open them with.I double checked, it's actually two series 34 crates and one series 37 crates. Anybody want them/have anything to trade for them?
I think I'd like to trade them to my fellow bay 12ers for something.
I'm looking at some junk heavy stuff, since I'm trying to craft a new heavy primary. I've already got a slot token, I just need a class token and I don't have enough stuff to fabricate or recreate one.
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on February 25, 2012, 06:17:36 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on February 26, 2012, 12:35:04 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on February 26, 2012, 12:46:39 am
Post by: PTTG?? on February 26, 2012, 01:06:16 am
Post by: MrWiggles on February 26, 2012, 08:17:28 am
Keep getting errors:
SteamStartup() failed: SteamStartup(0xf,0x0xbffff1cc) failed with error1: Timed out waiting for Engine to start
SteamStartup() failed: SteamStartup(0xf,0x0xbffff23c) failed with error 1: Timed out waiting for Engine to start
*sighs*
Post by: jester on February 26, 2012, 08:35:12 am
Post by: MrWiggles on February 26, 2012, 08:37:28 am
Post by: dragonshardz on February 26, 2012, 02:31:06 pm
Post by: Bronimin on March 09, 2012, 03:10:51 am
Post by: Enzo on March 09, 2012, 03:14:09 am
Don't want to be a downer or anything, but if you get 29 kills with a sentry it's because the opposing team has no idea what's going on.
Post by: klingon13524 on March 09, 2012, 04:15:31 am
just got 29 kills with my sentry turret on payload as red :) I really need to get more stuffs dropping for engie, like a Jag or something.Jag is very underpowered, be glad you don't have it.
Post by: jester on March 09, 2012, 05:21:22 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on March 09, 2012, 10:18:33 am
Jag isnt bad, though its like hitting people with a wiffleball bat in melee, if you hit a friendly engis mini sentry after he builds, it pretty much insta builds, 2x jag engis wacking at a lvl 3 dumped infront of an enemy spawn will get it up before most teams can work out what happened. Pomsom is the best engi wep availible imo.
Hearing the uber depleted sound is pretty much the best thing ever.
Post by: Teneb on March 09, 2012, 10:21:33 am
Jag isnt bad, though its like hitting people with a wiffleball bat in melee, if you hit a friendly engis mini sentry after he builds, it pretty much insta builds, 2x jag engis wacking at a lvl 3 dumped infront of an enemy spawn will get it up before most teams can work out what happened. Pomsom is the best engi wep availible imo.
Hearing the uber depleted sound is pretty much the best thing ever.
I prefer the widowmaker myself, but only because I can take on unaware heavies with it.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 09, 2012, 10:25:47 am
Jag isnt bad, though its like hitting people with a wiffleball bat in melee, if you hit a friendly engis mini sentry after he builds, it pretty much insta builds, 2x jag engis wacking at a lvl 3 dumped infront of an enemy spawn will get it up before most teams can work out what happened. Pomsom is the best engi wep availible imo.The build speed bonuses are pretty negligible. Two engies whacking off the same thing will make it come fast enough no matter what they use.
Post by: Descan on March 09, 2012, 01:53:30 pm
Anyway, does anyone know of a payload map that has blue spawn in front of a large area, with sunken regions where the payload goes, and very-short (two meters at most) where there are huts and stuff? There are 4 blue exits into the area, and after that is a slope upward, a large concrete barrier you can walk on with a wooden wall on it on one side, and a wall that is topped with a huge barn on the other?
After that is a wide-ish area with the barn on one side, tracks in the middle, and a wooden building on stilts opposite the barn?
I'm trying to remember that map, I love playing spy on it, but I can never find it!
Post by: kaenneth on March 09, 2012, 02:02:37 pm
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=14607 (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=14607)
Post by: Karnewarrior on March 09, 2012, 02:54:19 pm
I use the Jag because it makes the normal sentry build pretty fast at level one. It's about halfway between the mini-sentry and the normal sentry, but you can upgrade it if you have time, unlike the minisentry. It's difficult to be a defensive engie with the gunslinger, but the jag does well on both sides.Jag isnt bad, though its like hitting people with a wiffleball bat in melee, if you hit a friendly engis mini sentry after he builds, it pretty much insta builds, 2x jag engis wacking at a lvl 3 dumped infront of an enemy spawn will get it up before most teams can work out what happened. Pomsom is the best engi wep availible imo.The build speed bonuses are pretty negligible. Two engies whacking off the same thing will make it come fast enough no matter what they use.
I'm not sure what's going on with your game if the bonus is "negligible". It's fairly noticeable for me.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 09, 2012, 03:03:47 pm
I know TF2 is a game where actions take place in fractions of a second, but it's not a speed boost beefy enough for me to really find it useful. And Ninjaneering is luck-based enough that this boost doesn't seem too helpful. Either you have the time frame long enough to get it up without anybody noticing you or they flank you/stumble upon you the moment you plop it down/intercept you before you get into position.
Post by: PTTG?? on March 09, 2012, 04:55:53 pm
If you stand still for the whole construction process just to gain less than one second, then you've lost several seconds when you could be moving somewhere else.
Worst of all, let's say that you're in a situation where being one second early matters. Let's say that the enemy is going to get there one second before the sentry is fully assembled.
With the wrench, the sentry will be at nearly full health and can most likely survive long enough to turn and fire at the enemy a second after he appears.
With the jag, then the sentry can open fire one second earlier... once. After that it's the same as a normal wrench. That very, very rare one second advantage just doesn't cut it for me. Most of the time, if you can afford to sit and wrench your sentry up, then you have way more than one second of extra time.
If you want to make the Jag useful, here's what you do:
(+)Buildings always build at full speed)
(-)-50 Health on wielder
So now your engie is throwing down things and sprinting away, avoiding direct confrontations while using sentries to harrass remotely.
Post by: kaenneth on March 09, 2012, 05:07:29 pm
When the cart makes it far enough that the receiver is behind the enemy spawn, I build the transmitter, and notify our spies of it's availability.
Post by: 3 on March 09, 2012, 07:48:31 pm
If you stand still for the whole construction process just to gain less than one second, then you've lost several seconds when you could be moving somewhere else.
It doesn't work like that. You could be spending those several seconds moving elsewhere with any other wrench as well. In fact, because the construction time is shorter (and nearly everyone hits the sentry during construction anyway), you'll have more chance to move around with the Jag than you will with other wrenches. Albeit only marginally.
Post by: jester on March 09, 2012, 09:01:06 pm
Anyway, does anyone know of a payload map that has blue spawn in front of a large area, with sunken regions where the payload goes, and very-short (two meters at most) where there are huts and stuff? There are 4 blue exits into the area, and after that is a slope upward, a large concrete barrier you can walk on with a wooden wall on it on one side, and a wall that is topped with a huge barn on the other?
Sounds like barnblitz, if its a stock map you are talking about.
Ive played a few hundred hours of engi, and I find the jag balanced its great for stuff like building up a lvl 2 somewhere and then moving it somewhere really aggressive. If you are a serious combat engi, the 1 second makes a real difference.
Post by: Descan on March 09, 2012, 09:46:09 pm
Post by: jester on March 10, 2012, 12:21:49 am
Nah, it's a desert tileset.
is it a stock map?
Post by: Descan on March 10, 2012, 01:04:41 am
Post by: Enzo on March 10, 2012, 02:06:30 am
My favorite tactic as a defending engie on Push maps is to build a teleport receiver at the beginning of the round in a hidden corner that's unlikely to be checked.
This is how I play Swiftwater every time I'm defending. There are a couple really hidden spots for Tele exits, some that end up right behind the Blu spawn when it moves up. Build the exit, if they get far enough that their spawn moves up, build the entrance and a level 3 Sentry. Carry and place it outside Blue spawn door during a low traffic moment. So many lols.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 10, 2012, 02:25:14 am
If you stand still for the whole construction process just to gain less than one second, then you've lost several seconds when you could be moving somewhere else.
It doesn't work like that. You could be spending those several seconds moving elsewhere with any other wrench as well. In fact, because the construction time is shorter (and nearly everyone hits the sentry during construction anyway), you'll have more chance to move around with the Jag than you will with other wrenches. Albeit only marginally.
If you don't spend time wrenching a thing faster the Jag is underwhelming. And generally it's a good idea to build in a semi-safe place to build up your stuff, get other buildings set and generally be better prepared than trying to get one thing up as absolutely fast as possible.
And tele-schenanegans will never be as glorious as what you can pull off in Gold Rush. Like getting a base set up in the left alternate route as RED before the first checkpoint is reached. Or hiding a teleporter behind RED spawn on offense.
Post by: Untouchable on March 10, 2012, 03:14:59 am
Because I seriously wanted some fists of steel.
Post by: jester on March 10, 2012, 03:57:40 am
Crafted two Apocofists in a row today. Shame both used achievement items because I could trade one away for something.
Because I seriously wanted some fists of steel.
you realize there are recipes for crafting the fists of steel without random crafting?
1 reclaimed and a kgb according to the wiki, no need for random crafting for any of the weps that arent just reskins.
edit, hell i just checked my inventory, and I have a spare one if you want to trade, ill happily take 2 weps or a scrap.
Post by: PTTG?? on March 19, 2012, 07:10:58 pm
So BLU spawns on top of the cart. The tracks are ten feet long. RED spawns over a pit full of flames, several hundred miles away from BLU, the cart, and the tracks.
The name would be "PL_Cashworks".
(The point is that it is difficult to defend on cashworks.)
Post by: Enzo on March 19, 2012, 07:37:03 pm
Of course, that all only applies if you're team if familiar with the map. Not knowing the battlefield will trip a team up on any map.
Also, I have a mostly unrelated question for all you B12ers: Favourite custom map?
I am torn between KOTH Waste and PL Swiftwater, personally.
Post by: jester on March 19, 2012, 08:11:56 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 19, 2012, 08:19:11 pm
And cp_Crash
Post by: PTTG?? on March 26, 2012, 07:12:45 pm
Post by: Enzo on March 26, 2012, 08:04:52 pm
Also strange Diamondback, since I am like the only person who likes that weapon. Hopefully I can get one on the cheap.
Strange parts are pretty meh, because they don't really track particularly interesting stats. I guess the airshot counter is kinda cool.
Spoiler: Selling/Trading for below market value! (click to show/hide)
Post by: PTTG?? on March 27, 2012, 12:36:17 am
Post by: Enzo on March 27, 2012, 12:52:45 am
So yeah, let me know.
Post by: PTTG?? on March 27, 2012, 10:31:22 am
Post by: Strangething on March 27, 2012, 11:32:16 pm
EDIT: Here I am: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198012903744
Post by: DarkerDark on March 27, 2012, 11:47:26 pm
I've been looking for a Southern Hospitality. Not a strange one, just a regular one. Anyone have a spare?
EDIT: Here I am: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198012903744
Sent you a friend request as 'Sizzilin Bacon'.
Post by: Orangebottle on March 27, 2012, 11:53:11 pm
Post by: jester on March 28, 2012, 05:40:32 am
I've been going scattergun-bonk-sandman scout recently. Kicking ass with it too. Also, turbine was designed for huntsman snipers, spies, and scouts.
and mini sentry/justice engis, once you get a few crits up the pipe you can merrily camp the hell out of your opponents vents, hilarious.
Post by: Orangebottle on March 28, 2012, 08:04:05 am
I sat in the vents and killed about five people in the span of thirty seconds.
Post by: Metalax on March 28, 2012, 06:33:48 pm
Post by: Levi on March 28, 2012, 06:52:43 pm
Hmmm. New update, the bribe people with a hat for who can throw the most money at us each day update.
I find it so funny that people always claim that Activision or EA are such evil companies, but whenever Valve tries to manipulate people into forking over yet more money for TF2 they just lap it up.
:)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 28, 2012, 07:02:35 pm
Post by: Putnam on March 28, 2012, 07:05:24 pm
Post by: Thexor on March 28, 2012, 07:33:06 pm
Hmmm. New update, the bribe people with a hat for who can throw the most money at us each day update.
I find it so funny that people always claim that Activision or EA are such evil companies, but whenever Valve tries to manipulate people into forking over yet more money for TF2 they just lap it up.
:)
I see nothing wrong with Valve manipulating other people into forking over more money, as long as I'm not expected to partake in the forking.
I can happily ignore stamp purchases, or duel wins, or strange part purchases, or whatever other cosmetic purchases are available. It's a heck of a lot harder to ignore map packs or game modes that are added to standard map rotations. I've never been dropped from a TF2 server because I didn't spend $14.99 for whichever map the server is switching to. >:(
Post by: jester on March 28, 2012, 07:51:33 pm
Hmmm. New update, the bribe people with a hat for who can throw the most money at us each day update.
I find it so funny that people always claim that Activision or EA are such evil companies, but whenever Valve tries to manipulate people into forking over yet more money for TF2 they just lap it up.
:)
I see nothing wrong with Valve manipulating other people into forking over more money, as long as I'm not expected to partake in the forking.
I can happily ignore stamp purchases, or duel wins, or strange part purchases, or whatever other cosmetic purchases are available. It's a heck of a lot harder to ignore map packs or game modes that are added to standard map rotations. I've never been dropped from a TF2 server because I didn't spend $14.99 for whichever map the server is switching to. >:(
Ditto, EA does unlocks and map packs for cash, valve does purely cosmetic items that you could still get in a trade server with a little bit of clever trading with only the 5 bucks or so you would have spent getting the game off free to play. I know a guy who only ever spent the original 10 bucks on the game a few years ago, recently sold the stock of unusual hats he had built up for enough to buy himself a new computer, its silly, but it shows you can have all the weapons and many cosmetic items for only the initial purchase whereas I own battlefield 3, and there are a pile of weps and maps I wont have access to unless i fork out more cash.
Post by: Strangething on March 28, 2012, 10:16:10 pm
Sent you a friend request as 'Sizzilin Bacon'.
Oh, that was you? I was wondering. You aren't part of the DF Steam group, so I wasn't sure where you got my name.
Feel free to ask for any of my dupes. I'd rather they go to a good home that be broken down for scrap.
Post by: Enzo on March 28, 2012, 11:51:33 pm
the 5 bucks or so you would have spent getting the game off free to play.
Heck, you could buy a $4 game during a Steam sale and spend the change on a Sticky Jumper. BAM. Premium account.
As long as they continue to stay far away from Pay-To-Win, I'm willing to put up with Valve's shenanigans. Nobody is forcing you to buy hats or keys. Right now you're required to make a single purchase to unlock all the premium benefits (which didn't sound all that restrictive anyway). Pretty much everything in the store is available from drops (or trades). Maps and new weapons are made available for free. If Valve's making metric shit-tons of money, which they are, it's because players are throwing it at them. I have no problem with them releasing silly cosmetic items for people to throw money at.
Post by: dragonshardz on March 29, 2012, 02:57:01 am
Unlike some other developers (CCP and EA, for example).
Post by: Jackrabbit on March 29, 2012, 04:24:38 am
On top of this, taking this route nets you the best gun in the game. Do this.the 5 bucks or so you would have spent getting the game off free to play.
Heck, you could buy a $4 game during a Steam sale and spend the change on a Sticky Jumper. BAM. Premium account.
Post by: LASD on March 29, 2012, 03:01:17 pm
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Possession of the hat is not permanent and is limited to a single day.Wait, what? I didn't get that at all from the Administrator text. I'm not sure if limiting these to a day makes the hats better or worse.
Post by: PTTG?? on March 29, 2012, 05:01:50 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 29, 2012, 05:03:48 pm
Lookin' at you Hoodoo
Post by: Strangething on April 07, 2012, 07:35:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/mmfSq.jpg)
Genteel pipe smoke, yo. I did not buy or uncrate it, it was a totally random drop, and for my second-favorite class, too!
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 07, 2012, 07:45:05 pm
You know what else is crazy awesome? The Huntsman. I never used to use the thing, because I am a dreadful shot at the best of times but man am I getting the hang of it, and it is brilliantly fun, especially when you plink scouts as they try and double jump out of the way.
Post by: Putnam on April 07, 2012, 11:45:01 pm
months-dead thread
it was barely more than a week >_>
Post by: Thexor on April 08, 2012, 12:53:50 am
months-dead thread
it was barely more than a week >_>
Hey hey hey, the last post before his was in March, and now it's April. That's a whole month difference! ;)
Post by: klingon13524 on April 08, 2012, 03:59:04 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Scout on April 08, 2012, 08:37:42 am
Post by: Orangebottle on April 08, 2012, 11:54:52 am
That's crazy awesome.Oh god I love the huntsman.
You know what else is crazy awesome? The Huntsman. I never used to use the thing, because I am a dreadful shot at the best of times but man am I getting the hang of it, and it is brilliantly fun, especially when you plink scouts as they try and double jump out of the way.
I had one epic moment on 2fort with it.
I was sitting between the bridge and the entrance to my base, and I see this enemy scout halfway across the bridge's roof. I shoot straight up and get a headshot on him. Blind freakin luck.
Post by: cameron on April 08, 2012, 12:24:08 pm
Post by: klingon13524 on April 08, 2012, 12:28:24 pm
I'll trade for the Boston basherWhich you did. The store currently:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Scout on April 08, 2012, 03:37:25 pm
Post by: klingon13524 on April 09, 2012, 02:02:52 am
I'll hold on to them for you.
Post by: miauw62 on April 09, 2012, 02:41:29 am
Dont get me started on 2fort xDThat's crazy awesome.Oh god I love the huntsman.
You know what else is crazy awesome? The Huntsman. I never used to use the thing, because I am a dreadful shot at the best of times but man am I getting the hang of it, and it is brilliantly fun, especially when you plink scouts as they try and double jump out of the way.
I had one epic moment on 2fort with it.
I was sitting between the bridge and the entrance to my base, and I see this enemy scout halfway across the bridge's roof. I shoot straight up and get a headshot on him. Blind freakin luck.
2fort is one of the most horrible maps ever to be
But they are great fun :D
Post by: klingon13524 on April 09, 2012, 07:56:49 am
The store currently:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Scout on April 09, 2012, 08:52:03 am
Now, what do I call my new Strange Blutsauger, Amputator, and soon to be Bonesaw?
Post by: klingon13524 on April 09, 2012, 09:08:36 am
Blutsauger:
Syringelogger (number 2-9)000
The 10 Ccs of pain and buffering
Amputator:
The triage
The harming healer
Post by: The Scout on April 09, 2012, 09:55:36 am
Post by: klingon13524 on April 09, 2012, 10:00:08 am
A strange Bazaar Bargain and a strange Bonesaw for it?
Post by: The Scout on April 09, 2012, 10:01:00 am
Post by: klingon13524 on April 09, 2012, 10:09:13 am
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Funnily enough, I dopart was referring to the fishcake, not competitive play. 6v6 or highlander?
Post by: The Scout on April 09, 2012, 10:09:47 am
Post by: Strange guy on April 09, 2012, 10:26:50 am
Post by: jester on April 09, 2012, 12:19:50 pm
If you have a S. Amputator (which I just sold you), you'll never need the bonesaw unless you play competitively. The Amputator's a straight up upgrade to the vanilla saw.You can only use the bonesaw for comp where you are? that sux. I play highlander in Australia and all the med weps are ok, dont think anything is blocked for 6v6 either.
Post by: Cecilff2 on April 09, 2012, 03:07:23 pm
This thing is the best weapon. I don't know if I ever want to go back to regular stickies.
Post by: The Scout on April 09, 2012, 03:09:33 pm
Post by: klingon13524 on April 09, 2012, 03:36:37 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on April 09, 2012, 03:50:55 pm
Post by: klingon13524 on April 09, 2012, 03:58:19 pm
Post by: Enzo on April 09, 2012, 04:06:43 pm
You lose your most valuable asset, and you'd be destroyed by a good pyro or anyone good with a hitscan weapon. You can only go for frags in fairly specific situations.
Not if you know how to connect pills. And if you're suggesting a pyro will reflect every pill back into your face, I believe you're referring to a "godlike" pyro rather than a "good" one. In which case, stickyjump away and find a better target. Grenade Launcher's more powerful than most people give it credit for at mid-range.
It is just the greatest feeling in the world to stickyjump into a Snipers nest and tauntkill them 5 seconds into the round. I don't care how useful regular stickies are, nothing can diminish that feeling.
Post by: Cecilff2 on April 09, 2012, 04:19:11 pm
Sticky jumper grants an amazing amount of it and leaves you with a weapon that does 80-100 upon direct hit and has 4 shots.
I should plug these too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBp8LM2me4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTxWhN1FEKw
Post by: umiman on April 09, 2012, 05:06:57 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 09, 2012, 05:21:09 pm
Hahahaha, that's the same guy that did the Battlefield 3 jump-out-of-airplane-and-RPG-another-plane-and-jump-back-in thing!RPG? No, that was a sniper rifle, and he hopped into THE OTHER GUY'S plane.
Post by: Gunner-Chan on April 09, 2012, 05:24:10 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 09, 2012, 05:25:01 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on April 09, 2012, 05:59:05 pm
If this thread is now containing trading maybe I should mention I got a The Big Steel Jaw of Summer Fun by random drop. Not a massive fan of it, so I'm looking to trade it away 1:1 for another hat/misc I'd actually want to wear. I haven't really kept up with all the cosmetic items added so I can't say which ones I'd accept.
I wants. http://steamcommunity.com/id/dragonshardz/inventory
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 10, 2012, 02:24:10 am
The sticky jumper is not a serious weapon, obviously. Use it for training or for !!FUN!! loadouts.
The Sticky Jumper made Demo probably my most played class. Frankly, the enormous mobility it grants you is probably kinda unbalanced. You would not believe how many times I've been able to basically backstab people with the Lock'N'Load. It'd ruin you as a viable threat in competitive play to be sure, but I only ever play pubs. And in pubs, it is just the best thing.
Post by: Enzo on April 10, 2012, 02:41:25 am
Spoiler: selling/trading (click to show/hide)
Post by: Xotes on April 10, 2012, 03:50:49 am
Post by: klingon13524 on April 10, 2012, 04:08:49 am
Anyways, here's my store with updated stock. Some of the stuff is coming in later today:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sonlirain on April 10, 2012, 04:37:26 am
Not long ago i droped a Sun on a stick.
Decided to try it out and even managed to kill a sniper and spy with it before i got called "noob" for using it and banned from the server.
Didn't try using it again but can anyone elighten me and tell me what's wrong with this weapon?
Post by: Xotes on April 10, 2012, 04:44:53 am
Post by: klingon13524 on April 10, 2012, 05:02:01 am
Post by: Sonlirain on April 10, 2012, 05:09:21 am
The first hit was lighting them on fire so i guess every hit after the first were upgraded to minicrits/crits.
Either this or i was followed by a aimbotting ninja launcher pyro.
Post by: klingon13524 on April 10, 2012, 06:26:45 am
Post by: jester on April 10, 2012, 07:24:12 am
Post by: Descan on April 10, 2012, 12:36:51 pm
Post by: Strange guy on April 10, 2012, 01:22:34 pm
I wants. http://steamcommunity.com/id/dragonshardz/inventory
Unfortunately you don't really have anything I'm interested in. The hats/miscs you have are mostly halloween, achievement or ones I have with the couple of exceptions being ones I'm not interested in.
Post by: dragonshardz on April 10, 2012, 01:52:35 pm
Post by: Enzo on April 10, 2012, 01:53:56 pm
kinseti, is 2 refined enough for both a Black Box and a Knife? That's an offer I'm willing to make.Sounds fair. Add me, Steam username's kinseti.
There's a .ca version of the spreadsheet? Does that value spy items and frying pans slightly higher or something?No, blogspot seems to just auto-redirect me to the .ca because I'm in Canada, and I copy-pasted the link. I think the spreadsheets should be the same.
Post by: klingon13524 on April 10, 2012, 03:25:16 pm
Is that your opinion, or what you think is going on?There's a .ca version of the spreadsheet? Does that value spy items and frying pans slightly higher or something?No, blogspot seems to just auto-redirect me to the .ca because I'm in Canada, and I copy-pasted the link. I think the spreadsheets should be the same.
Post by: Enzo on April 10, 2012, 03:31:10 pm
Is that your opinion, or what you think is going on?There's a .ca version of the spreadsheet? Does that value spy items and frying pans slightly higher or something?No, blogspot seems to just auto-redirect me to the .ca because I'm in Canada, and I copy-pasted the link. I think the spreadsheets should be the same.
I don't think I understand the question. tf2spreadsheet.blogspot.com redirecting me to .ca because I'm in Canada is a fact. I can only assume the spreadsheets are the same because I can't access the .com one. Because it redirects me.
Post by: Strange guy on April 10, 2012, 07:37:51 pm
What about items/weapons? I have a few duplicates.
No weapons I don't have. Though while I was mostly hoping for a new hat/misc I could settle for some weapons/metal. Normal miscs are around 1 1/2 refined, though I might be willing to part with it for 1 (or the equivalent in weapons. Since I'm generally using tf2wh for trading where weapons have 1/2 scrap or sometimes slightly higher value weapons are slightly superior) refined.
Post by: klingon13524 on April 12, 2012, 06:16:29 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 17, 2012, 04:13:13 am
FIRST HAT DROP IN A YEAR.
IT'S A MEXICAN PYRO HAT AND IT KINDA SUCKS BUT I LOVE IT ANYWAY.
Post by: klingon13524 on April 17, 2012, 04:29:24 am
What would you guys say the most practical taunts are? The huntsman stabstabstab is obviously way up there.
Post by: jester on April 17, 2012, 05:45:17 am
Scouts is the slowest by memory, I think the demos sword sweep is next slowest, though you can kill multiple enemies with it.
Post by: klingon13524 on April 17, 2012, 07:15:16 am
Post by: jester on April 17, 2012, 07:17:37 am
The Heavy's 'showdown' taunt (POW! Haha!) seems to be one of the more viable ones in the game. It aims wherever your crosshair is, and goes roughly the length of 1 shipping crate (the big ones, like in ctf_Turbine) horizontally, and 2 stories vertically. The total length of the taunt is 3 seconds, but the actual killing part comes much sooner than that.
Pity, it used to go across the map if you were accurate enough.
Post by: Siquo on April 17, 2012, 08:05:00 am
Post by: klingon13524 on April 17, 2012, 08:09:32 am
Post by: hemmingjay on April 17, 2012, 11:00:26 am
Someone had 79 heads at one point.
Epic.
Post by: The Scout on April 17, 2012, 04:23:26 pm
Then heavies. They make me fear for my life. -_-
A quick guide on what I've seen decent demoman and soldiers do.
Post by: PTTG?? on April 17, 2012, 04:43:55 pm
I swear, this has happened to me multiple times.
Post by: Enzo on April 17, 2012, 04:55:29 pm
Unless you're talking about DR + Spycicle + Enforcer which I agree is a bullshit combo and people who use it should feel bad.
(Also, 3 or 4 "good" shotgun hits will kill a full health spy, I don't know what you're on about there.)
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 17, 2012, 04:57:57 pm
Also, I don't hate the DR as much as you do but it is a massive pain in the ass. There's nothing better than killing a spy that just decloaked, cause then you know he's dead.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 17, 2012, 05:02:48 pm
I'm fairly confident demos can't detonate stickies in mid air. Otherwise, this class is holding out on me. You can detonate vanilla stickies the instant they hit the ground, which does kinda look like they went off in midair from some angles.
They can detonate them mid-air, but after a second or two delay, not instantaneously. If you kill thirty people that way, then you get the Something Stickied This Way Comes achievement, so it's obviously not something that Valve sneaked in or anything.
Post by: 3 on April 17, 2012, 05:05:22 pm
And yeah, kinseti's right: The DR doesn't offer any way of getting away from a Pyro other than survivability at the expense of being able to do any damage at all. If you decloak while being focussed down, you'll just get set on fire instantly and die; the best you can hope for is that the damage reduction gets you back to friendly lines or you find a pickup and give him the slip. On the other hand, the Pyro has to commit to chasing you until you run out of cloak.
Post by: jester on April 17, 2012, 08:02:48 pm
Oh, and mid air detonating stickies are pretty much one of the best weps in the game, used right its a rocket launcher and a mine layer all in one, kritz stickies are often referred to as 'winbombs'
Post by: PTTG?? on April 17, 2012, 08:46:10 pm
Post by: klingon13524 on April 18, 2012, 06:01:12 am
Not like it's that useful most of the time, since a direct hit does so much more damage, but it helps every now and then.There's no such thing as a "direct hit" with a sticky, what are you talking about.
Post by: 3 on April 18, 2012, 06:14:22 am
Post by: miauw62 on April 18, 2012, 10:58:17 am
Also, I don't hate the DR as much as you do but it is a massive pain in the ass. There's nothing better than killing a spy that just decloaked, cause then you know he's dead.Hm, a DR spy can easily be detected usually.
They drop dead just a little bit too soon.
But i always play pyro so.... (dont worry, i dont use the backburner)
Post by: The Scout on April 18, 2012, 06:36:10 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on April 18, 2012, 08:41:57 pm
Post by: jester on April 18, 2012, 08:48:51 pm
You guys are gonna hate me but, I use the Spycicle, DR, and the Enforcer. I can imagine a pyro being angry when shoot to death by a spy while he is flaming him. BUT IT'S SO FUN!
Its fun cause its easy, if a weapon combination is giving you a distinct advantage over anyone not using it, you have a balance problem
Post by: ThtblovesDF on April 19, 2012, 06:05:24 am
Post by: jester on April 19, 2012, 09:08:12 am
DR spys are very easy to detect. All spys are dr spys.
Most of the 'good' spys ive played with use the vanilla watch, knife and ambassador. On a majority of the maps you can potentially run from one end to the other cloaked if you are smart about metal pickups. An intelligent and patient vanilla spy can do alot more damage than one with DR, it just takes alot more skill.
Post by: hemmingjay on April 19, 2012, 09:59:11 am
Post by: miauw62 on April 19, 2012, 12:16:36 pm
I personally prefer the invisiwatch, since its much, much better for getting behind enemy lines and then arriving 'from spawn', because they wont really suspect those people. (works best on payload maps, namely frontier, since its so long).
But i agree that a player thats good at a class can rock everybody using just the default equipment.
(rage-inducing named described flamethrower ftw!)
Nothing like burning a spy, while he hopelessly tries to throw himself in the moat at 2fort, then shooting him in mid-air with my trusty shotgun, and seeing him die a fraction of a sec before he hits the water.
Post by: 3 on April 19, 2012, 12:28:49 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 20, 2012, 05:42:23 pm
Honestly, the Enforcer+DR nonsense aside, the Spy has one of the most balanced loadout selections around. There's nothing that's a considered a straight upgrade; everything's useful given different situations and playstyles. It's very possible to play an effective Spy using all three watches throughout a game.Most of his knives are kinda shitty though
Kunai is a bad weapon and there are too many bad spies using it. Only excuse for using it is the high of using its novelty for fun.
Post by: Putnam on April 20, 2012, 08:53:01 pm
1. Degreaser. Simple.
2. Axtinguisher. Also pretty obvious.
3. Atomizer. Triple jump doesn't hurt you if you don't do it.
4. Equalizer or Disciplinary Action. Move bonus is always good.
5. Caber. Always good fun.
6. Tomislav. Overpowered, man.
7. Sandvich. Why are you using a shotgun when you have a minigun?
8. Jarate. It's equally as useful as the SMG, oddly enough.
9. Flare gun. Dem crits.
10. Enforcer at its current stage, ambassador if you can aim and don't mind the whole "no random crits" thing.
Post by: mr. macduggan on April 20, 2012, 09:26:14 pm
Vanilla is generally the best loadout to go with for general usage, except in a few specific circumstances:
1. Degreaser. Simple.
2. Axtinguisher. Also pretty obvious.
3. Atomizer. Triple jump doesn't hurt you if you don't do it.
4. Equalizer or Disciplinary Action. Move bonus is always good.
5. Caber. Always good fun.
6. Tomislav. Overpowered, man.
7. Sandvich. Why are you using a shotgun when you have a minigun?
8. Jarate. It's equally as useful as the SMG, oddly enough.
9. Flare gun. Dem crits.
10. Enforcer at its current stage, ambassador if you can aim and don't mind the whole "no random crits" thing.
I will second this and add
11. The frying pan for demoman. because.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on April 20, 2012, 09:49:17 pm
Post by: The Scout on April 20, 2012, 10:54:21 pm
Ubersaw as well; medic shouldn't be using his melee except in ambush situations anyway. Random crits; save you from 1 guy, maybe. Suddenly jumping up to full ubercharge can save you, and friends, and push the enemy back.I've seen medics single handily fuck the entire enemy team over. A random crit streak with those 30 dmg needles, or surprising them and murdering them all with your bonesaw.
(Only good if they can aim.)
Post by: Osmosis Jones on April 20, 2012, 11:04:09 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 21, 2012, 12:56:17 am
Post by: Enzo on April 21, 2012, 01:06:54 am
Kunai is a bad weapon and there are too many bad spies using it. Only excuse for using it is the high of using its novelty for fun.
SIR. You have insulted my honor. Kunai is best knife to use when DRing:
If you take more than 60 damage as spy with your cloak down, more often than not you're boned anyway (against decent players).
If you're using the dead ringer the low health vulnerability can be largely negated anyway.
The health buff after a stab lets you (if spotted) escape without major risk, engage others head on, or continue a chain-stab even under heavy fire (since you keep getting overheals). As long as you make the first stab, you're golden.
You can ignore healthpacks completely. Just find another back.
Backstabs extinguish you. Totally boss.
TL;DR <3 Kunai
Post by: Putnam on April 21, 2012, 01:15:27 am
Post by: Enzo on April 21, 2012, 02:21:55 am
Post by: miauw62 on April 21, 2012, 05:40:27 am
Jarate rocks too. I once stopped a combo coming to our base in hightower by jumping from a balcony while throwing jarate then quickly switching to my bushwaka. <3
Anyway, whats your favorite weapon?
Mine is 'Prometheus's Gift', a rage-inducing *flamethrower*
(Bonus points for who gets the name.)
Post by: Mongol13524 on April 21, 2012, 05:45:31 am
Post by: jester on April 21, 2012, 12:21:35 pm
Btw, playing as shotgun heavvy seems to be awesomely great fun, havent tried it myself.
Jarate rocks too. I once stopped a combo coming to our base in hightower by jumping from a balcony while throwing jarate then quickly switching to my bushwaka. <3
Anyway, whats your favorite weapon?
Mine is 'Prometheus's Gift', a rage-inducing *flamethrower*
(Bonus points for who gets the name.)
My strange wrench is called 'Ozymandias' = look on my works ye mighty and despair., my fav wep is probably the gunslinger, but I havent named that yet, suggestions would be appreciated
Post by: Descan on April 21, 2012, 01:10:30 pm
I love playing as spy. Or heavy. Or medic. Lately soldier too.
Post by: Mongol13524 on April 22, 2012, 02:31:39 am
Post by: Vertigon on April 22, 2012, 02:48:30 am
...actually, continuing on that note, Spiked Punch?
Post by: Mongol13524 on April 22, 2012, 08:02:45 am
Office party? Or is that the wrong kind of punch? :PA spiked punch would be the polar opposite of what this is.
...actually, continuing on that note, Spiked Punch?
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Holiday_Punch (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Holiday_Punch)
Post by: miauw62 on April 22, 2012, 01:18:46 pm
Gunslinger is awesome indeed. I dont like sitting behind a sentry all the time. Btw, dont get your hopes up for a s gunslinger, these things are rare as hell, or so i have heard. At least i have a vintage :DBtw, playing as shotgun heavvy seems to be awesomely great fun, havent tried it myself.
Jarate rocks too. I once stopped a combo coming to our base in hightower by jumping from a balcony while throwing jarate then quickly switching to my bushwaka. <3
Anyway, whats your favorite weapon?
Mine is 'Prometheus's Gift', a rage-inducing *flamethrower*
(Bonus points for who gets the name.)
My strange wrench is called 'Ozymandias' = look on my works ye mighty and despair., my fav wep is probably the gunslinger, but I havent named that yet, suggestions would be appreciated
I like my names with a meaning that not everybody can understand tough. mayby wikipedia can give a name.
EDIT:
Btw, Prometheus is the god that, in greek mythology, stole the fire from the titans and gave it to the humans.
Post by: Sonlirain on April 22, 2012, 01:53:47 pm
Btw, Prometheus is the god that, in greek mythology, stole the fire from the titans and gave it to the humans.
Not quite.
He was a titan who stole flame from the gods and gave it to the humans.
After that he got punished and chained to a mountain where he spent (near) eternity having his liver eaten by the same vulture over and over again (the liver regrew during the night).
Hercules broke him out later.
Post by: PTTG?? on April 23, 2012, 12:37:23 am
Post by: Fiskav on April 23, 2012, 02:33:34 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on April 23, 2012, 02:55:12 am
Post by: Fiskav on April 23, 2012, 03:05:29 am
Post by: jester on April 23, 2012, 03:18:28 am
Post by: Sonlirain on April 23, 2012, 03:33:05 am
1 - Look behind you every 10 steps.
2 - Have more than one pyro in your team (or play as one)
As for snipers...
They're either harmless because they can't aim or will wipe the floor with you at any range.
Post by: jester on April 23, 2012, 08:53:35 am
Post by: miauw62 on April 23, 2012, 11:29:09 am
Try playing pseudo-defensive, engie with gunslinger, shotgun and pistol.
So much fun! (and points)
Post by: Cecilff2 on April 23, 2012, 12:04:23 pm
7. Sandvich. Why are you using a shotgun when you have a minigun?
8. Jarate. It's equally as useful as the SMG, oddly enough.
I take issue with these two
The nerf has really made sandviches much less useful. If you have a medic buddy, I understand, but otherwise, I don't see a reason to carry it around. The reason you use shotgun is that you don't get any movement penalty and don't have to wait for spinup etc. If you walk into an enemy group you have time to back off to cover and can punish pursuit at the same time Use shotgun while scouting and switch to mini once you determine where to ambush at.
8. Jarate > everything else. SMG is less useful but infinitely more useful than the razorback
Post by: Myroc on April 23, 2012, 02:04:50 pm
8. Jarate > everything else.My SMG would like to have a word at you. I have tons of respect for jarate, I can definitely see the perks of it and why people use it, but it's by no means completely superior to the SMG. Seriously, that thing has saved my hide more times I can remember, as long as you can keep your little squishy body alive for long enough, it can remove huge chunks of enemy HP at close range (which is, by the way, where you should be using it). I've cleared points with the damn thing, for crying out loud.
Oh, and if you pair it up with the sydney sleeper, you can eat the cake and keep it. Jarate + SMG can kill fully healed heavies if you know what you're doing.
Post by: Enzo on April 23, 2012, 02:17:31 pm
The nerf has really made sandviches much less useful. If you have a medic buddy, I understand, but otherwise, I don't see a reason to carry it around. The reason you use shotgun is that you don't get any movement penalty and don't have to wait for spinup etc. If you walk into an enemy group you have time to back off to cover and can punish pursuit at the same time Use shotgun while scouting and switch to mini once you determine where to ambush at.
I don't know why people think the sandwich is ruined forever. Let's ignore the fact that you're still a walking healthkit dispenser for your teammates (protip, not just pocket medics!). Clear and area but take a lot of damage in the process, get in an ambush position without full health, kill a pyro whose afterburn is going to finish you? Munching on Sandvich is still often quicker than running down a healthkit. Sure, sometimes you get caught munching, but honestly I think that makes it more balanced and fun. It still comes in more useful than the shotgun, for me.
Post by: Cecilff2 on April 23, 2012, 02:51:28 pm
8. Jarate > everything else.My SMG would like to have a word at you. I have tons of respect for jarate, I can definitely see the perks of it and why people use it, but it's by no means completely superior to the SMG. Seriously, that thing has saved my hide more times I can remember, as long as you can keep your little squishy body alive for long enough, it can remove huge chunks of enemy HP at close range (which is, by the way, where you should be using it). I've cleared points with the damn thing, for crying out loud.
Oh, and if you pair it up with the sydney sleeper, you can eat the cake and keep it. Jarate + SMG can kill fully healed heavies if you know what you're doing.
The problem I have with this is it's a solo oriented build made solely for getting points. Not a team-oriented build. Jarate is MUCH more useful to your team. Extinguishes teammates, discovers spies, causes minicrits on enemies in a wide area.
The nerf has really made sandviches much less useful. If you have a medic buddy, I understand, but otherwise, I don't see a reason to carry it around. The reason you use shotgun is that you don't get any movement penalty and don't have to wait for spinup etc. If you walk into an enemy group you have time to back off to cover and can punish pursuit at the same time Use shotgun while scouting and switch to mini once you determine where to ambush at.
I don't know why people think the sandwich is ruined forever. Let's ignore the fact that you're still a walking healthkit dispenser for your teammates (protip, not just pocket medics!). Clear and area but take a lot of damage in the process, get in an ambush position without full health, kill a pyro whose afterburn is going to finish you? Munching on Sandvich is still often quicker than running down a healthkit. Sure, sometimes you get caught munching, but honestly I think that makes it more balanced and fun. It still comes in more useful than the shotgun, for me.
Oh it's not ruined forever, but shotty takes the lead by a little bit IMO. Maybe if you're not good at aiming the sandvich is better, but the shotty is quite deadly and allows you to keep your mobility when you need it.
On a seperate note. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J62pnmQnJl0
How are these spies destroying my sentry!?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 23, 2012, 03:48:05 pm
Kunai is a bad weapon and there are too many bad spies using it. Only excuse for using it is the high of using its novelty for fun.
SIR. You have insulted my honor. Kunai is best knife to use when DRing:
If you take more than 60 damage as spy with your cloak down, more often than not you're boned anyway (against decent players).
If you're using the dead ringer the low health vulnerability can be largely negated anyway.
The health buff after a stab lets you (if spotted) escape without major risk, engage others head on, or continue a chain-stab even under heavy fire (since you keep getting overheals). As long as you make the first stab, you're golden.
You can ignore healthpacks completely. Just find another back.
Backstabs extinguish you. Totally boss.
TL;DR <3 Kunai
Sorry buddy, health bonus is less than a soldiers total, and they also die near-instantly to everything. Especially in the point-blank range of maximum rampup needed for stabs. DR works just fine with other knives and more health, healthkits are generally next to metal pickups you want anyway. Only now you can be oneshot by everyone instead of two!
Minigun is also still boss enough to forego the shotgun in favor of a portable slow large healthkit. You'll still probably kill everyone who tries to ambush you unless you were wounded previously.
Post by: Myroc on April 23, 2012, 04:27:43 pm
Most of the points I get are from assists made by sydney sleeper hits or genuine combat assistance via the SMG. The SS still makes it a very viable supportive sniper build, just stand back a moment, aim for a second, shoot the guy that's the most important to the enemy team and let your teammates handle the rest. The SMG is used to get out alive from an ambush, or help a teammate do the same. Jarate is a very good way to help your teammates, but so is riddling the enemies they're facing with bullets. If you're good enough you can even apply jarate to the opponents that need it and still have the time and opportunity to attribute some real firepower.8. Jarate > everything else.My SMG would like to have a word at you. I have tons of respect for jarate, I can definitely see the perks of it and why people use it, but it's by no means completely superior to the SMG. Seriously, that thing has saved my hide more times I can remember, as long as you can keep your little squishy body alive for long enough, it can remove huge chunks of enemy HP at close range (which is, by the way, where you should be using it). I've cleared points with the damn thing, for crying out loud.
Oh, and if you pair it up with the sydney sleeper, you can eat the cake and keep it. Jarate + SMG can kill fully healed heavies if you know what you're doing.
The problem I have with this is it's a solo oriented build made solely for getting points. Not a team-oriented build. Jarate is MUCH more useful to your team. Extinguishes teammates, discovers spies, causes minicrits on enemies in a wide area.
Post by: Kilroy the Grand on April 27, 2012, 08:46:53 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 27, 2012, 08:48:36 pm
Post by: miauw62 on April 28, 2012, 03:00:14 am
Nothing like people goin all liek: 'PYRO EEZ NOSKILL BRAH!' and then falling out of the sky with my flamethrower, burning him and running away while i unload lead into his body.
Thats why i want meet the pyro.
Tough i wonder what new weapons will come for the pyro? The only good alternative flamethrower is the degreaser. lets hope valve doesnt screw up again.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on April 28, 2012, 03:08:32 am
The pyro is my favorite class.
Nothing like people goin all liek: 'PYRO EEZ NOSKILL BRAH!' and then falling out of the sky with my flamethrower, burning him and running away while i unload lead into his body.
Heh. That, or having someone bitch about how pyros are useless, and can't do anything about a sentry. Cue another pyro demolishing said sentry nest singlehandedly.
Post by: Enzo on April 28, 2012, 04:11:22 am
Yes you are sir. Yes you are.
Makes me wish I could pull that kind of crap, but I never really play Pyro anymore. I play with a lot of people who can reflect effectively, and that alone makes Pyro a viable class. Shit is deadly.
Post by: miauw62 on April 28, 2012, 09:00:48 am
My reflection skills are getting worse tough, so i need to play more pyro.
Another funny thing about pyro is how there are 3 or 4 excellent pyros on my favorite server. (including me)
and how we all play pyro diffrently, but all are awesomely good.
Sentry's are hard for pyros to take down unless you can get to them and start circlestrafing them. (but thats true for every class)
Deflecting arrows is hard. But nothing like owning a charging demo by just standing still and pressing m2, then proceeding to shotgun him.
Post by: Heliman on April 28, 2012, 11:33:13 am
Yeah, as a primary spy player kunai isn't worth the effort. Any pyro worth his salt isn't going to let a spy stab freaking anything after they find one. They just corner spies with airblasts. If a pyro findes you, the first thing you should be doing is making the DR fake-kill and extinguish you while you run like a little girl.Sorry buddy, health bonus is less than a soldiers total, and they also die near-instantly to everything. Especially in the point-blank range of maximum rampup needed for stabs. DR works just fine with other knives and more health, healthkits are generally next to metal pickups you want anyway. Only now you can be oneshot by everyone instead of two!Kunai is a bad weapon and there are too many bad spies using it. Only excuse for using it is the high of using its novelty for fun.
SIR. You have insulted my honor. Kunai is best knife to use when DRing:
If you take more than 60 damage as spy with your cloak down, more often than not you're boned anyway (against decent players).
If you're using the dead ringer the low health vulnerability can be largely negated anyway.
The health buff after a stab lets you (if spotted) escape without major risk, engage others head on, or continue a chain-stab even under heavy fire (since you keep getting overheals). As long as you make the first stab, you're golden.
You can ignore healthpacks completely. Just find another back.
Backstabs extinguish you. Totally boss.
TL;DR <3 Kunai
At most, the only two knifes I end up using are the normal one and the Eternal Reward, the latter only being used with the Familiar Fez & L'Etranger to make use of the silent decloak ability.
Silent DR decloaks are fantastic, by the way. Only downside is that because of the Eternal Reward you're basically worthless around engineers until you can stab up a decent disguise.
The thing that made the sandvitch so useful for a heavy is that it made for a perfect retreat mechanic. If you were taking too many hits, turning tail, dropping one down, pulling out the running gloves, then retreating to the next choke point back was a fantastic strategy. Now, that mechanic is totally bungled because heavies now have to be incapacitated while eating it normally. Retreating under the buffer made by that initial, quick heal is made impossible now.The nerf has really made sandviches much less useful. If you have a medic buddy, I understand, but otherwise, I don't see a reason to carry it around. The reason you use shotgun is that you don't get any movement penalty and don't have to wait for spinup etc. If you walk into an enemy group you have time to back off to cover and can punish pursuit at the same time Use shotgun while scouting and switch to mini once you determine where to ambush at.I don't know why people think the sandwich is ruined forever. Let's ignore the fact that you're still a walking healthkit dispenser for your teammates (protip, not just pocket medics!). Clear and area but take a lot of damage in the process, get in an ambush position without full health, kill a pyro whose afterburn is going to finish you? Munching on Sandvich is still often quicker than running down a healthkit. Sure, sometimes you get caught munching, but honestly I think that makes it more balanced and fun. It still comes in more useful than the shotgun, for me.
Post by: PTTG?? on April 28, 2012, 11:54:52 am
Honestly, I'm not cheering that it happened, but I do respect that Valve is putting effort into making the game stay at a constant power level instead of each new item being slightly stronger than earlier weapons.
Post by: miauw62 on April 28, 2012, 12:10:04 pm
The problem was, every single heavy had the sandvich, precisely because it was so good. Now it fulfills more of its original use- healing in exchange for being incapacitated for several seconds- and doesn't make the shotgun entirely useless.
Honestly, I'm not cheering that it happened, but I do respect that Valve is putting effort into making the game stay at a constant power level instead of each new item being slightly stronger than earlier weapons.
pff, if they'd want to do that, they'd remove the 10% extra damage from the backburner.
No offense to you. But backburner gives the pyro a bad name and causes people never to learn anything new, instead jsut infinitly w+m1-ing at the enemy infinitely.
EDIT:
Anybody opposing me, think about this:
If you are ment to attack people from behind. why would you be able to win from a normal pyro in 1v1 combat?
Post by: Heliman on April 28, 2012, 01:50:52 pm
Post by: Putnam on April 28, 2012, 02:29:20 pm
Not to mention the enforcer, essentially all of the spy cloaking devices, the Jag, the equalizer and the splendid screen...
Wait, are you calling the C&D overpowered?
???
Post by: Heliman on April 28, 2012, 02:43:37 pm
Post by: Putnam on April 28, 2012, 04:30:29 pm
compared to the invisibility watch, a spooky ghost sheet would be an upgrade.
I see you don't use it often. It's the best watch of them all.
Why do you think it's so bad?
Post by: Jackrabbit on April 28, 2012, 06:21:52 pm
Not to mention the enforcer, essentially all of the spy cloaking devices, the Jag, the equalizer and the splendid screen...If you're claiming all of those are overpowered or a straight upgrade, you should look at a video of how much time the jag takes off construction.
Post by: jester on April 28, 2012, 10:26:03 pm
Post by: Putnam on April 28, 2012, 10:30:18 pm
Id say the Jag is fairly balanced, though I play alot of engi, as an eg: My strange normal wrench has a sentry kill:melee kill ratio of 11:1, my gunslinger has 6:1 and my Jag has 30:1, the build speed is great but it often feels like using a wiffleball bat for melee, which is pretty much essential against spys
Or you could use your shotgun that does more damage at a similar range and longer besides >_>
Post by: cameron on April 28, 2012, 10:57:07 pm
Post by: The Scout on April 28, 2012, 11:00:32 pm
Post by: jester on April 28, 2012, 11:15:15 pm
Post by: Thexor on April 28, 2012, 11:17:44 pm
afaik, melee weapons crit way more then ranged ones
They do. But it's still a base 15% chance, which translates to an 85% chance to not crit. Even with the Sentry's damage boosting your crit chance, I'd rather a reliable weapon than a lucky weapon.
Plus, the shotgun can kill a Spy that backpedals while shooting you, as opposed to whiffing with a melee attack. :P
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 28, 2012, 11:22:44 pm
However, crit chance builds up with damage, which happens very often for the engineer due to his sentry(and there is even theory his dispenser's healing boosts it), which means he's almost guaranteed to have 65% chance to send fragments of your own skull into your brain.afaik, melee weapons crit way more then ranged onesThey do. But it's still a base 15% chance, which translates to an 85% chance to not crit. Even with the Sentry's damage boosting your crit chance, I'd rather a reliable weapon than a lucky weapon.
Not perfectly reliable but it's definitely enough to give pause.
Post by: Heliman on April 29, 2012, 01:15:37 am
compared to the invisibility watch, a spooky ghost sheet would be an upgrade.
I see you don't use it often. It's the best watch of them all.
Why do you think it's so bad?
The cloak and dagger beats it straight out because it lets you take your time with kills, none of that decloaking in an unfortunate place business.
The DR beats it because if you use fall damages right, move in the line of fire in a smart way, DR is basically an invisi watch that has a built in escape mechanic and some AWESOME(90%!) bullet protection at the price of (checks wiki) 2.5 seconds of cloaking and some noise that you have to go a little out of the way to get rid of.
Post by: Putnam on April 29, 2012, 03:25:09 am
compared to the invisibility watch, a spooky ghost sheet would be an upgrade.
I see you don't use it often. It's the best watch of them all.
Why do you think it's so bad?
The cloak and dagger beats it straight out because it lets you take your time with kills, none of that decloaking in an unfortunate place business.
The DR beats it because if you use fall damages right, move in the line of fire in a smart way, DR is basically an invisi watch that has a built in escape mechanic and some AWESOME(90%!) bullet protection at the price of (checks wiki) 2.5 seconds of cloaking and some noise that you have to go a little out of the way to get rid of.
No, that's not right at all. You shouldn't be taking your time with kills. Don't wait for the perfect kill, make that shit perfect. Waiting around does nothing at all. Besides, if you don't know all the ammo spots on the map, you're playing spy wrong anyway. 2.5 seconds of cloak is a lot. The noise is horrible.
With the right knowledge, the invis watch is far better. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC-1ITQNZdY)
Post by: miauw62 on April 29, 2012, 03:51:35 am
The inviswatch is awesome if you know how to use it, and its helluva lot more fun then the cloak and dagger at times, because with the cloak and dagger im usually walking 5 meters, waiting a minute, walking another 5 meters and repeating that, making for a very boring way to the sentry i want to sap, and then forgetting to disguise. Inviswatch is just sooo much fun to use <3
The backburner is a direct downgrade for good pyros, but a direct upgrade for bad f2p ghastly gibus faggot w+m1 pyros, i'm afraid.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/19643223.jpg)
EDIT:
Btw, i would LOVE to play a game with you guys, but i dont exactly know where :P
Post by: jester on April 29, 2012, 03:59:38 am
Post by: miauw62 on April 29, 2012, 04:10:14 am
Post by: Enzo on April 29, 2012, 04:11:15 am
Post by: jester on April 29, 2012, 06:40:44 am
People still complain about the Backburner? I thought the Phlog fixed that. Phlog = Backburner2
Ditto, IMO if you are getting killed by w+m1 pyros, you probably deserve to die to w+m1 pyros.
Post by: miauw62 on April 29, 2012, 08:26:56 am
But i dont see why valve had to give noobs a free auto-loading kritzkrieg (if youre not doing damage, youre not doin it rite) in their flamethrower and taking away something they dont give a shit about.
Post by: Mongol13524 on April 29, 2012, 08:39:46 am
Post by: miauw62 on April 29, 2012, 09:43:41 am
Anyway, add me, i'm [ALG]Miauw, and i'll invite you to my home servers (hosted in europe, i think)
The C&D is not neccesarily bad, but i prefer the invisiwatch, just because its 10 times more fun.
DR is neat too, unless used in combination with the enforcer and the spycicle, then it just becomes pyro hell. (irony?)
Post by: Mongol13524 on April 29, 2012, 09:51:24 am
We need a df steam group.There's like 5 Bay12 steam groups. The one I'm in is Dwarf Fortress Community (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dwarfortress)).
Anyway, add me, i'm [ALG]Miauw, and i'll invite you to my home servers (hosted in europe, i think)
The C&D is not neccesarily bad, but i prefer the invisiwatch, just because its 10 times more fun.
DR is neat too, unless used in combination with the enforcer and the spycicle, then it just becomes pyro hell. (irony?)
Post by: Strangething on April 29, 2012, 12:59:04 pm
I wish I could airblast like a pro, and pull off flare-gun/axtinguisher weapon-swap crits, but my crummy FPS makes it too frustrating. Seriously, I can't even circle-strafe properly.
Post by: Putnam on April 29, 2012, 01:57:40 pm
I'm in Europe, and can usually be found on any map but cp_steel.Not to mention the enforcer, essentially all of the spy cloaking devices, the Jag, the equalizer and the splendid screen...You think the C&D and splendid screen are upgrades?
Well, if you compare it to its alternative--the chargin' targe--and disregard the sticky launcher entirely, hell yeah it is.
Post by: Strange guy on April 29, 2012, 03:28:10 pm
You cant always escape the backburner.
But i dont see why valve had to give noobs a free auto-loading kritzkrieg (if youre not doing damage, youre not doin it rite) in their flamethrower and taking away something they dont give a shit about.
Try using it against decent players. When you don't have a charge you're a crippled pyro and even with it people can run away while you taunt and easily kill you when it ends. It's a bit too good at capping points, needs either a real rework or just an uber-like inability to cap while taunting, and can be argued to charge too fast, but it's underpowered. Sure no airblast is no downside in the hands of a very bad player, but if they are that bad they shouldn't be doing enough damage to get charges (and even if your own team is equally terrible you should still be able to deal with them even with a charge without too much trouble, with them getting occasional lucky kills).
Post by: miauw62 on April 30, 2012, 10:44:29 am
But i'll give you something to think about.
A long time ago.
Airblast didnt exist.
Ofcourse, thats an invalid argument. but it proves that you can still do well as pyro without airblast.
There even is a entire tutorial video for it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGIISxhYRYE)
Post by: PTTG?? on April 30, 2012, 11:05:28 am
even with it people can run away while you taunt and easily kill you when it ends.
That's just the problem. There are many times where being forced to run away is game-endingly bad. If blu is on the cart pushing close to the base with little time, then it should take more than one pyro to get them off the cart- it should at least take a well-organized team of several players to do that.
I don't get why they put damage reduction on the taunt. They don't give heavies reduction when they are eating their sandvich, nor do they help scouts with drinks. It should be risky to activate the mmmph, not an automatic win.
Post by: miauw62 on May 01, 2012, 05:23:01 am
btw, strangething, just use the normal flamethrower, and try to airblast whenever you can. Hell, i used to use the backburner in the good ol days when it was 'no airblast, but crits from behind', so that means i wasnt born with the ability to airblast everything either, i cant airblast much more then a default rocket.
Post by: Strange guy on May 01, 2012, 10:23:42 am
Ye, the phlog and the backburner need to be seriously nerfed. very seriously. I dont care if they make them semi-useless ,they just need a nerf.
Backburner is fine (maybe the flamethrower needs to go up to the same damage level and thus the bonus removed, but that's not really a problem with the bb), phlog needs a buff and probably a rework with it.
I usually use the degreaser, only using the phlog or bb when not playing seriously. It's just the best flamethrower, or at least the best without substantial weaknesses as I know a lot of people do well with the bb, and pyro isn't like heavy where I feel bad about using the best primary.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 01, 2012, 10:38:56 am
You gain about a second, which might be useful if it applied the same percentage gain in build speed even when not wrenching, but that is not the case. In situations where a second matters, it's better to just throw down something and get out of there.
Here's an idea- if you have the Jag, all buildings are built with full health, but have 75% max health. So you can put something up under fire and expect to get it built, but these things are more temporary.
Now there's something worth considering
Post by: Strangething on May 02, 2012, 08:41:51 pm
People keep saying you should use the Jag. This is wrong. The Jag's improvement is very small, and only appears if you sit still and wrench it the entire time. If you skip even one strike, then your sentry takes just as long to set up as before.
Yeah, I though it was awesome at first, but then I realized that I spent a lot more time looking for metal than actually banging on my buildings. And being able to club a spy is absolutely essential to an engineer. Southern Hospitality all the way.
Post by: Putnam on May 02, 2012, 08:53:58 pm
People keep saying you should use the Jag. This is wrong. The Jag's improvement is very small, and only appears if you sit still and wrench it the entire time. If you skip even one strike, then your sentry takes just as long to set up as before.
Yeah, I though it was awesome at first, but then I realized that I spent a lot more time looking for metal than actually banging on my buildings. And being able to club a spy is absolutely essential to an engineer. Southern Hospitality all the way.
Or, as I've said, you can shoot him with your short-range pelletstomper. Don't underestimate the shotgun.
Post by: jester on May 02, 2012, 10:19:48 pm
As stated above, the shottie is a better dps weapon as well, I cant stand the southern hospitality as meeting a pyro up close always seems to equal dead when I have it, anything else and im reasonably confident of 2 shotting them with my shottie as they come at me.
Post by: LASD on May 03, 2012, 03:44:56 am
Also, I was happy to see that after a longish break I can still do really well.
Post by: umiman on May 03, 2012, 10:49:48 am
Considering I never move my stuff anyway since I'm a backdoor mini sentry super aggro engie. :P It's perfect!
Post by: PTTG?? on May 03, 2012, 11:46:57 am
On paper, the teleporter wrench is really powerful (when you tie it with a teleporter, you're effectively right next to your own spawn, anywhere!), but in practice I'm not comfortable being unable to move buildings from time to time.
Post by: umiman on May 03, 2012, 12:08:17 pm
Yeah, it does seem super specialized. But it's my engie's niche~
Post by: miauw62 on May 03, 2012, 12:44:01 pm
Especially my dispenser on the middle floor of 2fort.
I MUST HAS THE PERFECT DISPENSER ANGLE! (i hope you know where this dispenser is placed on the middle 2fort level, else you should play more 2fort)
Post by: PTTG?? on May 03, 2012, 12:45:01 pm
Post by: umiman on May 03, 2012, 12:59:26 pm
How's the new pyro laserguns?
Post by: miauw62 on May 03, 2012, 01:48:48 pm
Thats just a failed remake of the flaregun/detonator, the bullets go straight down nigh instantly. Really not worth it, unless youre a faggot phlog/bb pyro, ofc.
I prefer my shotty <3
Post by: Teneb on May 03, 2012, 03:04:50 pm
Post by: Enzo on May 03, 2012, 03:14:46 pm
I really don't see much point in not using a shotgun/reserve shooter unless you are use the phlog. Even with the backburner you can push your enemy in the air and shoot him. Altough I may be biased due to extensive use of degreaser and reserve shooter.
The flare does 90 if you hit a burning opponent, so puffing them back and shooting works almost as well as the Reserve Shooter (sometimes better, if you puff them back too far). The flare is also better at long range spam whereas the shotty/reserve shooter is better at medium range. Detonator is great at being really annoying, also flarejump ambushes.
Post by: cameron on May 03, 2012, 05:43:41 pm
Post by: Matz05 on May 03, 2012, 08:59:25 pm
Normal for the airblast-ninjas.
Backburner for the DPS ambushes/chasing.
Degreaser for the flare/quickdraw flame/quickdraw Axetinguisher comboes
Phlog for repeated skermishes followed by a major push.
Now if I could just get that Engie beam rifle... Pomson somethingsuch.
Post by: umiman on May 03, 2012, 09:02:42 pm
The hitbox on that thing is so ridiculously huge I feel like I'm shooting walls at enemies.
I got all the new weapons by trading two scrap for each. It's pretty neat, having all these traders.
Post by: jester on May 03, 2012, 09:03:39 pm
The new flare (manmelter) is really only good for 2 things, putting people out then getting a krit for it, though if the other team has alot of pyros you should probably be running the shottie, it also charges you meter for the phlog.
Pomson is the best gun in the game to get kritzed with.
Gahhh double ninja.
Post by: NobodyPro on May 03, 2012, 10:34:41 pm
I cannot stress this enough.People keep saying you should use the Jag. This is wrong. The Jag's improvement is very small, and only appears if you sit still and wrench it the entire time. If you skip even one strike, then your sentry takes just as long to set up as before.
Yeah, I though it was awesome at first, but then I realized that I spent a lot more time looking for metal than actually banging on my buildings. And being able to club a spy is absolutely essential to an engineer. Southern Hospitality all the way.
Post by: miauw62 on May 04, 2012, 10:06:48 am
MECHANICAL HAND ****YEAH!
(i dont really play with wrenches, just because i always end up turtling and playing very defensive, wich is boring, gunslinger is just so much fun to play with.
an example: smart spy thinks he is smart by sapping your mini-sentry, a bit afront of the base, causing you to scream "spy!" and alerting your team that there is a inbound spy. pyros are annoying tough, these usually get my mini quickly. so i a tip from me: put your mini-sentry in water whenever possible)
Post by: PTTG?? on May 04, 2012, 10:18:26 am
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 04, 2012, 11:13:04 am
First the Ellis' cap, and now the pan gets more valuable. Unfortunatly, Valve has ran out of L4D2 items to valuidify.
Post by: Descan on May 04, 2012, 11:53:47 am
*6 months later*
"L4D2 mini-gun now usable by Spy, Medic, Scout, and Pyro"
Post by: PTTG?? on May 04, 2012, 12:44:45 pm
Post by: miauw62 on May 04, 2012, 01:10:54 pm
Valve screwed up nearly every steampunk lazer weapon by under/overpowering it: pomson, phlog, cow mangler, manmelter...
That doesnt make them any less awesome looking. Do we have these (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7yUBapjq1KInjBM8iVi3W5z8Eslq41Sba1M3kegBq4xkk53odCturRCU8) already?
One other thing that makes me sad:
There are few worthwhile hats and good weapons for the pyro. You're pretty much stuck with default, flare, detonator, axethinguisher or degreaser.
Post by: Cecilff2 on May 04, 2012, 02:00:43 pm
I propose that this update forever be known as the PAN update.
This makes me so very happy. I will definitely be switching my scout and medic loadouts. Possibly heavy too, though not for serious.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 04, 2012, 02:32:17 pm
In two weeks, buy it back for 1 or 2 scrap as normal.
Post by: DJ on May 04, 2012, 03:09:26 pm
Post by: adwarf on May 04, 2012, 07:59:04 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on May 04, 2012, 08:18:13 pm
Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longerDon't worry, you'll get special weapons soon enough.
I use Jag, since I usually bang on my sentry anyways. I can set up a pre-built sentry fast enough to kill a scout even after he saw me.
Post by: mr. macduggan on May 04, 2012, 11:47:04 pm
Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longerThere is pretty much nothing at all wrong with the weapons that the engineer comes with, and with practice you should be just fine. For heavy, try to get your hands on a sandvich and a gloves of running urgently. The gloves can be crafted specifically iirc, just look up the recipe. The sandvich will either have to drop at random or traded for.
Post by: jester on May 05, 2012, 12:48:30 am
Oh and you should get around 10 item drops per week, not inc crates. Thats for roughly 10 or so hours of gameplay, the week clicks over on thursday, (in australia anyway). If you dont play that much set yourself up for idleing (google tf2 idling), you can just have the game running in the background while you do other things.
Post by: Enzo on May 05, 2012, 12:52:27 am
Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longerThere is pretty much nothing at all wrong with the weapons that the engineer comes with, and with practice you should be just fine. For heavy, try to get your hands on a sandvich and a gloves of running urgently. The gloves can be crafted specifically iirc, just look up the recipe. The sandvich will either have to drop at random or traded for.
You can get both from achievements, can't you? Or just the sandvich? MacDug's right, very few of the default weapons are actually underpowered, and most of the fancy weapons have tradeoffs or are overspecialized. Most underpowered vanilla weps are melee weapons now that I think about it, as well as pretty much the entire Pyro loadout.
Somewhat related, the server I play on is planning on holding a vanilla-only night once a week. Will be fun.
(ninja'd)
Post by: adwarf on May 05, 2012, 11:39:01 am
Post by: Sonlirain on May 05, 2012, 12:09:29 pm
Come to think of it... the only Heavy gun with more firepower than the stock gun is the Brass Beast. All the others have less firepower (Natasha) or lower fire rate (Tomislav).Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longerThere is pretty much nothing at all wrong with the weapons that the engineer comes with, and with practice you should be just fine. For heavy, try to get your hands on a sandvich and a gloves of running urgently. The gloves can be crafted specifically iirc, just look up the recipe. The sandvich will either have to drop at random or traded for.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 05, 2012, 12:17:15 pm
Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longer
Here, check this place out. (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/redditarmory/#/btn/)
They give weapons to new players to help them start up.
Post by: Thexor on May 05, 2012, 12:48:45 pm
Get the free achievement weapons, then collect random drops and trade the ones you don't like for the ones you do. You'll have a full set of your favourite weapons within a week or two, easily. :)
Post by: adwarf on May 05, 2012, 01:10:00 pm
Post by: jc6036 on May 05, 2012, 02:13:58 pm
I personally love medics, and I just don't understand why hardly anybody plays them, or when they do they go all battle medic.
What gives?
Post by: The Scout on May 05, 2012, 02:49:34 pm
*shrug*
Post by: Enzo on May 05, 2012, 02:58:29 pm
Post by: jc6036 on May 05, 2012, 03:23:50 pm
Post by: jc6036 on May 05, 2012, 07:00:34 pm
Post by: umiman on May 05, 2012, 07:25:53 pm
I've gotten so many killing sprees with the saws.
Post by: The Scout on May 05, 2012, 07:33:56 pm
I put a [B12] tag on my name so that fellow bay12ers could recognize me. Do you all have specific things that identify you or anything?[DFC]
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 05, 2012, 08:28:35 pm
Medic has the best melee attack in my book. =PFastest class that still has a 'normal' melee. And increases the chance of crit just by healing teammates? Yes, he's deadly.
I've gotten so many killing sprees with the saws.
Post by: Orangebottle on May 06, 2012, 12:24:10 am
I only ever use the damage dealing stuff when I'm in a tight spot, and I usually get kills, but other than that nothing. What I see are people running around not healing at all and just blasting away when they play medic; that's what I think of when I hear somebody says that they play battle medic. But yeah recently I had a good experience with somebody that was a good heavy and he and I held off a final push for a good 50+ seconds. I see things like that and wonder why such a critical class is never played.See, I battlemedic, but I also take the time to heal nearby teammates. Which is why I quickfix.
Post by: Putnam on May 06, 2012, 01:24:43 am
Medic has the best melee attack in my book. =PFastest class that still has a 'normal' melee. And increases the chance of crit just by healing teammates? Yes, he's deadly.
I've gotten so many killing sprees with the saws.
I'm pretty sure that it's just damage inflicted by the player that increases crit chance, not assist damage/points...
Post by: The Scout on May 06, 2012, 03:33:48 am
Post by: jester on May 06, 2012, 04:44:55 am
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 06, 2012, 01:10:30 pm
This.I put a [B12] tag on my name so that fellow bay12ers could recognize me. Do you all have specific things that identify you or anything?[DFC]
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 07, 2012, 01:50:55 am
Any opinions on this?
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 07, 2012, 03:10:11 am
Post by: Sonlirain on May 07, 2012, 05:39:12 am
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2687929
Any opinions on this?
Manthreads are kinda hard to use but making them home on target is not a good idea imo.
I'd rather see them send out a small shockwave when the soldier lands on a non cranial surface dealing damage equal to 1.5x or 2x the soldiers fall damage. It would hit everyone in a small area around him (and normal fall damage for the soldier himself) a bit like the equalizer taunt..
Post by: Osmosis Jones on May 07, 2012, 05:55:40 am
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2687929
Any opinions on this?
I like it, mainly because I doubt the homing effect would be very large. Small enough that pretty much any sort of motion on the part of the victim would allow them to avoid it, it's just a little bit of an assist against stationary targets. Of course, if the homing effect is too strong, then yeah, Jackrabbit's concerns become valid.
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 07, 2012, 11:05:48 am
-50% self damage
-50% fall damage
-50% knockback (from enemies)
If you land on an enemy, they receive 2x your fall damage.
Post by: jester on May 07, 2012, 12:03:36 pm
Mantreasd and Gunboats would make better sense merged, but it might be too late to do that now.
-50% self damage
-50% fall damage
-50% knockback (from enemies)
If you land on an enemy, they receive 2x your fall damage.
Thats a massively powerful weapon for a skilled player you have there. Pretty much boots of flight for anyone who can rocket jump well
Post by: miauw62 on May 07, 2012, 12:33:26 pm
But, a few pages back, they say that default pyro loadout is underpowered, and i agree that afterburn could use a buff, and that the normal melee is never used by any serious player, but you cant say that the shotgun is bad, nothing beats the shotty, on 3 classes! (pyro, heavy, engie)
-50% ammo is a HUEG drawback on the shotgun, even tough it doenst look like much on the first sight, those 3 extra ammoes have saved my life more then once.
I agree that the flaregun or the detonator are also good weapons, but i cant say much because i dont play with them, but shotgun, flaregun or detonater are the only viable secondary choices imho.
(oh, btw, more pyro derails \o/)
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 07, 2012, 12:37:07 pm
Post by: 3 on May 07, 2012, 12:54:16 pm
The only way something like that would ever be balanced is if you made it powerful but introduced massive penalties or some other impractical alteration. Even in that case it's dangerously close to the "balance through imbalance" mentality, which would encourage counterpicking as opposed to creative play.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 07, 2012, 02:45:15 pm
There are hints that it is Mann Vrs. Machines, and will feature the blue and/or red teams against a team of robots. There are theories these will include bosses and waves of underlings, and robot versions of almost all the classes.
Post by: Enzo on May 07, 2012, 03:00:06 pm
MVM mode, what is it?
There are hints that it is Mann Vrs. Machines, and will feature the blue and/or red teams against a team of robots. There are theories these will include bosses and waves of underlings, and robot versions of almost all the classes.
I have painstakingly tracked down a link (http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/t61jn/new_sound_references_in_the_new_update_mvm_a_new/) as to what you're talking about. The soundfiles include neat words like "tank" and "deploy" and "upgrade" and "sentrybuster" and "giant_heavy_explodes". Giant soundfiles for most classes actually.
These photos (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/4/4a/Cp_foundry_photos.jpg) appear to be robotic versions of the classes (demo and pyro in the middle, outside two are uncertain).
So Mann Vs. Machine seems like a pretty good bet. Maybe based off Saxton Hale mode, a boss-battle against a giant robot player of their chosen class? Or something Monday-Night-Combat-esque?
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 07, 2012, 03:32:50 pm
These photos (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/4/4a/Cp_foundry_photos.jpg) appear to be robotic versions of the classes (demo and pyro in the middle, outside two are uncertain).Looks like both the outsides are heavies to me.
Post by: miauw62 on May 08, 2012, 11:53:08 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 10, 2012, 11:54:44 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 10, 2012, 01:31:30 pm
Thats a massively powerful weaponErm, no. Not at all.
I fear for your sanity if you think this is as good or better than the shotgun.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 10, 2012, 02:00:43 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 10, 2012, 02:09:24 pm
But if you consider one's usefulness to the teamAre you even reading this?
It is incredibly difficult to land one of these things and the damage usually isn't even that high. It just isn't reliable enough for me to jump into a crowd of enemies.
I'd consider it a sidegrade. It's very dangerous but it provides some passive bonuses to self-damage to help deal with the fact that it won't deal damage as well as the shotgun.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 10, 2012, 02:58:16 pm
I'll agree it's a sidegrade... but that's just the point. We don't want the unlockables to be upgrades. They are changes to gameplay, not a simple pay-to-win mechanism.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 10, 2012, 03:01:30 pm
Post by: 3 on May 10, 2012, 07:02:16 pm
Better to leave the Gunboats alone and buff the 'Treads.
Post by: jester on May 11, 2012, 12:27:05 am
I play alot of comp team games and its a real eye opener on what weapons can be super powerful in the right hands. For most people the loch and load and the direct hit are sidegrades, for pros, they are flat upgrades. If a solli isnt going to be working tight with a med, then the gunboats are usually the better option than the shottie.
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 11, 2012, 01:41:47 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on May 11, 2012, 09:28:50 am
I know how to balance it, no random crits./valvelogic
Post by: jc6036 on May 12, 2012, 05:17:39 pm
Post by: hemmingjay on May 12, 2012, 07:03:15 pm
Post by: Enzo on May 13, 2012, 12:47:40 am
I think that I've asked this before, but...what are your favorite public servers, assuming you ever go on public servers? I'm rather fond of the Ponyville servers and the 24/7[INSERT MAP HERE] servers.
The Lions Den (US-West) whenever it's not full. Alltalk server, active when I usually play, chill regulars, decent ping, custom maps played often (with map noms + voting rather than rotation). Best of all, usually a high percentage of good players on. I hate it when you join a server and 1 or two people have 3x the score of everyone else, because they're the only ones who have any idea what they're doing :|. Much more satisfying getting MVP on a team of skilled players.
The Machine - Advanced Teamplay (also US-West) is also a really good server. Fits most of what I described for the Lions Den (except alltalk), I just prefer The Lions Den for the chill atmosphere.
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 13, 2012, 01:44:44 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 13, 2012, 03:46:25 am
But if youre going on the valve servers, and those are full of noobs, wont there be a HUGE concentration of backburners, phlognisators, machina bodyshotters, tomislavs, and all the others?
Post by: Enzo on May 13, 2012, 04:57:29 am
But if youre going on the valve servers, and those are full of noobs, wont there be a HUGE concentration of backburners, phlognisators, machina bodyshotters, tomislavs, and all the others?
I don't see how this would matter anyway. Giving bad players these weapons doesn't suddenly give them an unfair advantage or anything, it just lets them mitigate the consequences of being bad.
Post by: miauw62 on May 13, 2012, 05:14:28 am
So i usually only really play tf2 when alot of the server regs are on the servers.
If you want some really hilarious things, just start up a bot game and play as spy.
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 13, 2012, 05:15:44 am
Post by: umiman on May 13, 2012, 05:58:52 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 13, 2012, 06:24:18 am
But people indeed dont usually understand what engies or medics do :(
AND NO SPY IM NOT GIVING YOU THE DAMN UBERCHARGE!
Post by: jc6036 on May 13, 2012, 06:37:59 am
EDIT: Also I tried out battle medic last night, snagging kills and then turning around and healing.
Spoiler: I guess this is what it gets me :D (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 13, 2012, 02:52:34 pm
NO SPY IM NOT GIVING YOU THE DAMN UBERCHARGE!What about Kritzkreig?
And I never go on valve servers purely because I always seem to do terribly on them.Same thing here. It's hard to be a pr0 pwn3r when your medics are more concerned with overhealing an engineer than helping a burning 10 health demoman.
Post by: DarkerDark on May 13, 2012, 02:55:26 pm
SMG Sniper? Sure! Why not?
Soldier using nothing but the Righteous Bison? Go for it!
Melee only Heavy? Sounds like fun!
Backburner Pyro? ... Well, maybe not that... But you get the idea. :P
Post by: Descan on May 13, 2012, 06:07:48 pm
Post by: Putnam on May 13, 2012, 06:48:36 pm
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 14, 2012, 02:04:56 am
Fat scout: Any minigun (do not use), shotgun or Family Business, KGB. You act like a scout, taking the same flanks and doing the same role.
Spyper: Ambassador, Dead ringer. You sit with your snipers and try to headshot people. Keep your DR out when not firing, it'll save your life many times.
Battle medic: Blutsauger, Kritzkreig, Solemn Vow. Don't heal unless it's very convenient for you, just go out and kill fools.
Or just trying to level my strange Quick-Fix to Hale's Own.
Post by: Siquo on May 14, 2012, 06:13:59 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 14, 2012, 06:49:41 am
Flare+axtinguisher is actually pretty badass, since they both crit when the target's on fire >_>
It's definitely a very fun loadout, and one I played with exclusively for like four months until I realized that I was being completely dominated by competent pyros. Then I switched to shotgun and axetinguisher and I am never going back.
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 14, 2012, 11:15:08 am
Scout + only the mackarel. Nothing is more humiliating :PYou'd probably want milk or either cola with that. Just as humiliating and somewhat more practical.
Post by: miauw62 on May 14, 2012, 12:25:27 pm
Yea, shotty all the way.Flare+axtinguisher is actually pretty badass, since they both crit when the target's on fire >_>
It's definitely a very fun loadout, and one I played with exclusively for like four months until I realized that I was being completely dominated by competent pyros. Then I switched to shotgun and axetinguisher and I am never going back.
I like how this place has many pyros. Sometimes i feel like pyro is the most hated class. People say that "PYR0 1Z E4S3H!", while, no offense to anybody, engineer, sniper, or heavy are much, MUCH more straightforward (badum-tish) classes. I'm not saying that these classes are horribly easy and noob classes, there is a heavy on the servers i play on, and damn, hes ****ing good. The server co-admin is a unbeatable sniper, and i know engies that can mutilate a heavy using only their shotgun, pistol and melee.
Post by: LASD on May 14, 2012, 03:20:21 pm
Sleeper+SMG Sniper.This is the best thing, mini-critting SMG does so much damage. I even named my SMG, rather childishly, "Are you pissed?" to go with the build.
Post by: Burnt Pies on May 14, 2012, 04:14:50 pm
I do, on occasion, shout "You Have Mail!" when I melee someone.
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 14, 2012, 04:37:57 pm
Post by: Strangething on May 14, 2012, 08:08:26 pm
Someday I will be credit to team and use the backburner/mailbox combo, but for now I'm a lowly backburner pyro. Good thing I only play pyro if no one else is playing one. My favorite classes are Engi, Medic, and Heavy, so naturally I have spies.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 14, 2012, 08:16:14 pm
Is there anything to recommend the regular flaregun over the detonator? It seems like a pure upgrade.Flaregun has crits on burning enemies, the dreaded flarepunch combo. Detonator only minicrits.
Someday I will be credit to team and use the backburner/mailbox combo, but for now I'm a lowly backburner pyro. Good thing I only play pyro if no one else is playing one. My favorite classes are Engi, Medic, and Heavy, so naturally I have spies.
I kinda feel the Detonator isn't terribly good. Has a neat gimmick, but the cost is too high for me.
Post by: Flying Carcass on May 14, 2012, 08:20:04 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 14, 2012, 09:14:55 pm
Post by: Putnam on May 14, 2012, 11:13:06 pm
Is there anything to recommend the regular flaregun over the detonator? It seems like a pure upgrade.
Someday I will be credit to team and use the backburner/mailbox combo, but for now I'm a lowly backburner pyro. Good thing I only play pyro if no one else is playing one. My favorite classes are Engi, Medic, and Heavy, so naturally I have spies.
The degreaser is far better with the mailbox/axtinguisher. Easier to use, too.
Post by: dragonshardz on May 15, 2012, 12:30:56 am
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 15, 2012, 04:05:11 am
Post by: The Scout on May 15, 2012, 05:13:13 am
Probably due to the fact I have a back up weapon that doesn't kill myself. But if you're still going to fire the rocket launcher at close range, then you're gonna die a lot.
There's only one things in this game that make me angry. Anything able to insta-kill. Mostly because they're almost unavoidable when half of the enemy team is snipers and spies, but when the only thing that kills you is that random crit grenade, you get paranoid.
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 15, 2012, 05:43:53 am
Backstabs: A good game mechanic, but trickstabs need to go. When I'm looking directly at and attacking an enemy spy, I don't want them to be able to "backstab" me.
Sniper rifles: Fairly well balanced on most maps, but infuriating nonetheless. No matter how good you are at dodging (and you can get very good), someone with a hitscan infinite range and accuracy one hit kill weapon just kills you, end of story. Like most death in TF2, you simply try to avoid the circumstance.
Huntsman: The problem is that is uses the huge stonking projectile hitbox. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx-YFFnruDs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx-YFFnruDs)
Post by: miauw62 on May 15, 2012, 09:51:19 am
Is there anything to recommend the regular flaregun over the detonator? It seems like a pure upgrade.EDIT:
Someday I will be credit to team and use the backburner/mailbox combo, but for now I'm a lowly backburner pyro. Good thing I only play pyro if no one else is playing one. My favorite classes are Engi, Medic, and Heavy, so naturally I have spies.
Nvm, it was a typo on his side, no offense!
Post by: PTTG?? on May 15, 2012, 10:04:40 am
Post by: jc6036 on May 15, 2012, 02:51:50 pm
I have to admit that I'm getting pretty good with explosive jumps. I just have a hard time landing some of the stickybomb jumps sometimes. I'm less of a flying demo and more of a wildly flailing through the air demo.
And as for all of the pryo weapons, I have to agree that both the Phlog and Backburner make me rage very hard. Phlog doesn't have airblast, right? So for people that just WM1 it's a dream come true and a straight upgrade, but for people that actually can play and use airblast it's a flat sidegrade, correct?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 15, 2012, 02:59:54 pm
Well
Buddy, I'm sorry to say you are missing the point
Post by: jc6036 on May 15, 2012, 03:06:04 pm
Post by: The Scout on May 15, 2012, 03:31:35 pm
I use it a good bit, and I use the taunt to kill heavies. They mostly don't give a damn and mow me down anyways. No airblast makes any decent demoman, soldier, or pyro a major threat. Demoman's man's stickybombs, and the soldier's rockets are now a constant threat. And a pyro with the Degreaser can just airblast you away and shotgun you to death. But eh, my opinion might not be worth much.
Post by: Descan on May 15, 2012, 03:44:35 pm
Post by: The Scout on May 15, 2012, 03:56:33 pm
http://youtu.be/6npO-NoOPOg?t=45s (http://youtu.be/6npO-NoOPOg?t=45s)Rockets to the feet, grenades to the face. Also the unholy arrow.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 15, 2012, 06:45:37 pm
It's been nerfed enough it's not a problem. While taunting, the pyro is almost invincible. This is when you run the hell away.
Which is rediculously overpowered. One player should not be able to annihilate a coherent push by the other team simply by taunting at them, nor should he be able to drop onto a point and cap it uncontested since anyone who sticks around will be instakilled with critical fire.
We don't give bonk-drinking scouts invincibility, and sandvich-noming heavies are not rendered immortal during lunchtime. The pyro should have to balance the rewards of activating the taunt with the risks of being killed before being able to use it.
Post by: Blargityblarg on May 15, 2012, 06:51:04 pm
Both the omnidirectional burner and the fagnisator are fag weapons imo.
Using them is basically like screaming out very loud: 'i cant play pyro at all!'
I agree that the phlog is worse, there is no reason to give a random pyro a kritzkrieg in his flamethrower, but the backburner still annoys me.
Y'might wanna make a new choice of derogatory term there, bucko. Gays are people too.
Post by: Strange guy on May 15, 2012, 07:24:33 pm
We don't give bonk-drinking scouts invincibility, and sandvich-noming heavies are not rendered immortal during lunchtime. The pyro should have to balance the rewards of activating the taunt with the risks of being killed before being able to use it.
It's an ability that has to be earned, doesn't last very long, requires getting nearly point blank to other players, leaves you as vulnerable as a no airblast pyro who shouldn't be playing careful or using their secondary or will waste it.
It can sometimes be ridiculous- it not stopping capturing points while scaring enemies away is pretty overpowered, but a crit flaming pyro isn't much more dangerous then a spun up heavy, and it's certainly harder to set up. Anyway the phlog is underpowered but occasionally overpowered, needs a real rework. Seeing valves history on balancing items I wouldn't count on it though.
Post by: Karnewarrior on May 15, 2012, 08:32:06 pm
Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion, good sir.
Unless the Phlog makes pyro fly around with rainbows shooting out his ass while singing Lady Gaga tunes and pelvic thrusting towards the nearest spy I think calling the weapon "gay" may be a bit of a non-sequitur.Both the omnidirectional burner and the fagnisator are fag weapons imo.
Using them is basically like screaming out very loud: 'i cant play pyro at all!'
I agree that the phlog is worse, there is no reason to give a random pyro a kritzkrieg in his flamethrower, but the backburner still annoys me.
Y'might wanna make a new choice of derogatory term there, bucko. Gays are people too.
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 15, 2012, 09:14:19 pm
Post by: cameron on May 15, 2012, 09:14:48 pm
whoops never-mind that post has been deleted or somthing
Post by: jc6036 on May 15, 2012, 09:15:44 pm
Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion, good sir.Oh god the mental image.-snip-Unless the Phlog makes pyro fly around with rainbows shooting out his ass while singing Lady Gaga tunes and pelvic thrusting towards the nearest spy I think calling the weapon "gay" may be a bit of a non-sequitur.
I'm in tears.
Post by: Enzo on May 15, 2012, 10:06:43 pm
ON TOPIC: Phlog is not at all suited for serious play, it cripples good pyros by removing their airblast, and a smart enemy team can counter it without trouble. It can be a lot of fun to dick around with on pubs though. So I'm OK with it overall.
Backburner is fine, why people still hating on BB? Ever since they returned airblast (with increased cost) it's completely viable if you're doing more ambushing than defensive play.
Post by: Strangething on May 15, 2012, 11:35:19 pm
Is there anything to recommend the regular flaregun over the detonator? It seems like a pure upgrade.Backburner implies that you cant play pyro.
Someday I will be credit to team and use thebackburnerdegreaser/mailbox combo, but for now I'm a lowly backburner pyro. Good thing I only play pyro if no one else is playing one. My favorite classes are Engi, Medic, and Heavy, so naturally Ihavehate spies.
Arg, I meant to say degreaser there. I gotta stop posting in such a hurry. :( I ruined the whole point of the sentence. I'd rather be a weapon-combo badass but I don't have the skills. So instead I roam the engi and sniper nests and spy check.
Anybody else get the strong impression that Valve doesn't like the airblast? They added it late in the original Beta test. All the flamethrower replacements have either nerfed or removed it. But now it's such an essential part of the pyro's arsenal, it would take a lot to replace it. Giving the pyro a built-in uber just lacks the airblast's finesse.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on May 16, 2012, 12:13:22 am
I remember back before the first pyro update, the pyro was a lacklustre class. Not impossible to use, sure, and necessary to keep spies in check, but it didn't really have much impact in the game. Adding things like airblast meant a pyro actually had a way to respond to classes like the soldier and demo.
The fact that there are nerfs on all the other weapons' airblasts is simply because, that is the main advantage of the default weapon. Everything else does more damage or has special abilities; if the blasts wasn't nerfed, they'd be upgrades, not the sidegrades Valve aim for.
Post by: miauw62 on May 16, 2012, 06:00:41 am
And as for all of the pryo weapons, I have to agree that both the Phlog and Backburner make me rage very hard. Phlog doesn't have airblast, right? So for people that just WM1 it's a dream come true and a straight upgrade, but for people that actually can play and use airblast it's a flat sidegrade, correct?Very, very correct.
EDIT:
The problem with having no/high cost airblast as a con is, bad pyros dont use the airblast, so its a straight upgrade for them, but for any good pyro it really makes you much, much weaker.
Also, strange, i edited my post, no problem!
Post by: Karnewarrior on May 16, 2012, 06:06:31 am
And stop bashing my weapons! (backburner pyro, YER/cloak&dagger spy, I am everything you hate.)
Post by: miauw62 on May 16, 2012, 06:47:03 am
But such a weapon sounds like a good idea, anti-omnidirectionalburner!
Would actually add some more tactics to pyro, while disencouraging w+m1.
I say:
-x% damage
-50% airblast cost
+50% airblast area
Or mayby it wont be a 'real' weapon, but rather like the sticky/rocket jumper.
Post by: Jackrabbit on May 16, 2012, 06:56:00 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 16, 2012, 07:00:25 am
I rather use the default one.
Post by: Cecilff2 on May 16, 2012, 08:48:27 am
I dont really have any problem with any spy loadout except for DR+enforcer, and backburner... Ye, you know my opinion on that xDHow bout this instead
But such a weapon sounds like a good idea, anti-omnidirectionalburner!
Would actually add some more tactics to pyro, while disencouraging w+m1.
I say:
-x% damage
-50% airblast cost
-50% firing speed
Edit: Actually scratch that. Can you imagine a pyro at an engie dispenser with near constant airblast ability?
Or mayby it wont be a 'real' weapon, but rather like the sticky/rocket jumper.
I can understand you saying that about the rocket jumper(Why hasn't valve removed the massive penalties on this one?), but the sticky jumper really is the best weapon in the game.
Post by: cameron on May 16, 2012, 09:10:11 am
YER with the other watches though, can be rather useful in certain situations
Post by: miauw62 on May 16, 2012, 11:03:36 am
I dont think the sticky jumper is the best weapon in the game, why the hell do people keep saying that?I dont really have any problem with any spy loadout except for DR+enforcer, and backburner... Ye, you know my opinion on that xDHow bout this instead
But such a weapon sounds like a good idea, anti-omnidirectionalburner!
Would actually add some more tactics to pyro, while disencouraging w+m1.
I say:
-x% damage
-50% airblast cost
-50% firing speed
Edit: Actually scratch that. Can you imagine a pyro at an engie dispenser with near constant airblast ability?Or mayby it wont be a 'real' weapon, but rather like the sticky/rocket jumper.
I can understand you saying that about the rocket jumper(Why hasn't valve removed the massive penalties on this one?), but the sticky jumper really is the best weapon in the game.
Okay, it gives you ALOT more mobility, but it basically induces the same penalties as using a shield does, you cant damage enemies using stickies, and stickies can be goddamn usefull when you're retreating.
Also, to above, thats actually true.
Useless people are annoying.
Post by: Karnewarrior on May 16, 2012, 12:01:46 pm
C&D + YER is not somthing I dislike for being easy or OP or anything but becuase spies who use it almost always spend half the match either sitting in a corner or moving to a corner to sit in while doing absolutely nothing useful.Yeah, it usually takes a few minutes to get into position, then you might get a kill streak and then you have to position again.
YER with the other watches though, can be rather useful in certain situations
But if you're real sneaky you can get around sometimes without the watch even being on.
Post by: miauw62 on May 16, 2012, 12:36:55 pm
Post by: Cecilff2 on May 16, 2012, 02:37:26 pm
I can understand you saying that about the rocket jumper(Why hasn't valve removed the massive penalties on this one?), but the sticky jumper really is the best weapon in the game.I dont think the sticky jumper is the best weapon in the game, why the hell do people keep saying that?
Okay, it gives you ALOT more mobility, but it basically induces the same penalties as using a shield does, you cant damage enemies using stickies, and stickies can be goddamn usefull when you're retreating.
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If you can fly away from battle at a rate that no one can hit you, that's a lot more useful.
Typically I use them to get far behind enemy lines and destroy the teles. Or just behind the sentry nests themselves.(Sentries can't track stickyjumping demos fast enough) This can be a real game changer.
Post by: Enzo on May 16, 2012, 02:43:27 pm
I dont really have any problem with any spy loadout except for DR+enforcer, and backburner... Ye, you know my opinion on that xDHow bout this instead
But such a weapon sounds like a good idea, anti-omnidirectionalburner!
Would actually add some more tactics to pyro, while disencouraging w+m1.
I say:
-x% damage
-50% airblast cost
-50% firing speed
Edit: Actually scratch that. Can you imagine a pyro at an engie dispenser with near constant airblast ability?
I want to see a flamethrower with charged airblast - hold down and release M2:
< .5 second charge: -50% knockback, reflected projectiles don't mini crit
>.5 second charge: same as default airblast
>1 second charge: +50% knockback, reflected projectiles become crits
And then something like reduced afterburn time and/or base damage, perhaps reduced movement speed when an airblast is charged.
Post by: Siquo on May 16, 2012, 03:18:46 pm
Better yet, increase afterburn time/damage and bring the casual flame damage down. Name it the "Slow Boil" or something. It'd reward you for getting in close, doing your business of lighting everyone up, then bugging out of there and discouraging Leeroy Jenkins Mode.I'd love that. Afterburn is my friend. Combine it with flarecrits and you're toast.
Post by: Descan on May 16, 2012, 04:48:15 pm
Post by: Enzo on May 16, 2012, 08:12:27 pm
I did manage to get the achievement for headshotting 3 scoots though. Still need the Sniper one.
Post by: Strangething on May 16, 2012, 08:38:36 pm
Better yet, increase afterburn time/damage and bring the casual flame damage down. Name it the "Slow Boil" or something. It'd reward you for getting in close, doing your business of lighting everyone up, then bugging out of there and discouraging Leeroy Jenkins Mode.
I would so take this over the backburner.
Post by: Strange guy on May 16, 2012, 09:07:29 pm
Better yet, increase afterburn time/damage and bring the casual flame damage down. Name it the "Slow Boil" or something. It'd reward you for getting in close, doing your business of lighting everyone up, then bugging out of there and discouraging Leeroy Jenkins Mode.
Because when I think of skill-full flame-thrower use rewarding people for merely touching foes with a bit of flame immediately comes to mind. And it's not like afterburn is easily countered, making it a downgrade in many situations. At the moment we've basically got the general purpose/aero/combo flamethrower as the degreaser and the ambushing flamethrower as the backburner, so more variety and playstyles would be nice, but I don't think airblast or afterburn focused flamers are the way to do it.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 17, 2012, 12:49:40 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 17, 2012, 02:54:56 am
i dont know how much damage it does atm, but i can hardly get any kills with it.
Say, we keep the afterburn time, but we increase the damage so it does 100 damage when not healed. (i'm certain it does less damage now).
That would actually make it a threat to most classes, instead of the quite-weak thing it is now.
Post by: Enzo on May 17, 2012, 03:04:44 am
Default afterburn needs a buff imo.
i dont know how much damage it does atm, but i can hardly get any kills with it.
Say, we keep the afterburn time, but we increase the damage so it does 100 damage when not healed. (i'm certain it does less damage now).
That would actually make it a threat to most classes, instead of the quite-weak thing it is now.
It seems particularly strange for someone hating on ambush-pyro weapons (backburner, for instance) to be supporting increased afterburn.
Afterburn deals 60 at max (slightly more with minicrits) if I'm correct, with about a thousand ways to extinguish yourself before then. Lighting a bunch of people and running away should be no more than an annoyance or a last-ditch option, which it is now, rather than a legitimate damage-dealing strategy. I make no exaggerations when I say that the first thing I learned in TF2 was how to run into a group of enemies and light them all on fire. Don't bitch about newb pyro weapons and then say afterburn needs a buff.
Post by: miauw62 on May 17, 2012, 03:28:49 am
Post by: The Scout on May 17, 2012, 05:41:11 am
Post by: cameron on May 17, 2012, 06:12:39 am
So, in an effort to bring my spyplay up I've been trying to learn to use the Amby effectively. I figured out a bind to disable viewmodels when using the Amby (to prevent my precious auto-reloads from totally blocking the screen), that's helping a lot. But I just played a few rounds of knifeless spy and I need some assistance. Y I no got headshoots? Is there some trick to this, or just lots of practice?mostly its just practice, some other things that can help are disabling mouse acceleration and making a bind to lower sensitivity for when you are trying to make a shot
I did manage to get the achievement for headshotting 3 scoots though. Still need the Sniper one.
Post by: miauw62 on May 17, 2012, 07:54:56 am
The 10% Dmg doesn't mean much. The crits from behind are more concerning.The crits from behind, pff, i barely see them used.
If you are an ambush pyro, you should not be able to take on a default pyro on straight-on.
Recently i made a anti-bb tactic.
Its basically making sure they cant reach healthpacks, and keeping your back to one if you need it, then just doing the regular pyro versus pyro combat.
Also, i dont use the ambassador, because the default revolver actually does ALOT of damage, you wouldnt say at first, but a few good shots can take out most low-health classes (if i'm right, 4 of the 9 classes), granted they are already damaged.So, in an effort to bring my spyplay up I've been trying to learn to use the Amby effectively. I figured out a bind to disable viewmodels when using the Amby (to prevent my precious auto-reloads from totally blocking the screen), that's helping a lot. But I just played a few rounds of knifeless spy and I need some assistance. Y I no got headshoots? Is there some trick to this, or just lots of practice?mostly its just practice, some other things that can help are disabling mouse acceleration and making a bind to lower sensitivity for when you are trying to make a shot
I did manage to get the achievement for headshotting 3 scoots though. Still need the Sniper one.
But the ambassador needs time between shots to do crits on heads, i think.
Post by: Siquo on May 17, 2012, 10:45:07 am
Because when I think of skill-full flame-thrower use rewarding people for merely touching foes with a bit of flame immediately comes to mind.Depends on what you define as skillful. Twitch aim is a skill, but putting yourself in a tactical position so you can hit&run is a skill as well. The increased afterburn (damage or time?) would also increase the usefulness of extinguishing, suddenly jarate is more useful, for instance.
So we've got: Slow Boil
+afterburn damage
+afterburn duration
-damage
-health
-damage cone
I'd play that.
As for the ambassador, it can only headshot when the crosshair is at it's smallest, and then the shot will hit the exact center of that crosshair. After that first shot, you need to wait a second or so until it's at it's smallest again.
Post by: miauw62 on May 17, 2012, 11:03:47 am
What would it look like?
I *could* try and see if i can blender something togheter, even tough i'm not really expirienced with that.
Also, remember, we already have a lazer flamethrower, a home-made one, a even more home-made one and a home-made one with a special nozzle.
Soooo...
Mayby this could be a specialized flamethrower, comparing to the normal flamethrower as a racing bike to a normal city bike.
Aka, cool streamlines, neat and smooth textures...
Post by: cameron on May 17, 2012, 11:16:04 am
somthing else you could do instead of just lowering particle damage is greatly lower max ammo (say cut it in half), that with a health reduction would push pyros to retreat instead of just flamming till they die
Post by: Siquo on May 17, 2012, 12:15:29 pm
I think some kinda loss to health would be neccesary as just buffing afterburn at the expense of particle damage would just lead to suicide charging pyrosAnd this is different from the current pyros how? :)
Post by: miauw62 on May 17, 2012, 01:21:55 pm
Oh, so true xDI think some kinda loss to health would be neccesary as just buffing afterburn at the expense of particle damage would just lead to suicide charging pyrosAnd this is different from the current pyros how? :)
Well, its diffrent from good pyros.
Survival is the key to victory.
Post by: cameron on May 17, 2012, 01:47:06 pm
I think some kinda loss to health would be neccesary as just buffing afterburn at the expense of particle damage would just lead to suicide charging pyrosAnd this is different from the current pyros how? :)
presumably you did not want to add a weapon so that people could play exactly as they do now
Post by: Strange guy on May 17, 2012, 01:50:39 pm
The crits from behind, pff, i barely see them used.
If you are an ambush pyro, you should not be able to take on a default pyro on straight-on.
Considering how the flamethrower mechanics (S+M1 gets you out of range unless they W+M1 but particle mechanics mean the retreating pyro will win, airblast) turn pyro fights into 'who has the shotgun' (and whose better with it if both do) backburner pyros should be equal. And even if it does come down to flaming the two 'Aero' flamers shouldn't be the better option. The backburner is fine, sure it's the straight up best option for terrible pyros, but it's not good enough to maker them a threat and at higher skill levels it's not a problem (though could do with some tweaks, I use the degreaser but people who use the BB say the crit angle isn't really enough).
Afterburn is easy to apply, and often easy to remove. You'd need to complicate things a bit to make a decent afterburn based flamethrower, and even then getting the right mechanics wouldn't be easy. Also backburner and degreaser are very good for what they do while being decent all rounders as well (especially degreaser). It would be hard to make a sidegrade to them.
Post by: miauw62 on May 17, 2012, 02:00:54 pm
But i think we need to remove/reduce the bonus anyway, since you have now convinced me that the 10% is not a big deal, we should convince the terrible pyros it isnt a big deal either, so they have a bigger chance of choosing something else. AKA, reduce bonus to 5%?
Also, mayby expanding crit angle is a good idea.
Not 180 degrees tough, that would be too much. 140 degrees? a bit less? a bit more?
Post by: Enzo on May 17, 2012, 02:25:37 pm
Also, i dont use the ambassador, because the default revolver actually does ALOT of damage, you wouldnt say at first, but a few good shots can take out most low-health classes (if i'm right, 4 of the 9 classes), granted they are already damaged.
But the ambassador needs time between shots to do crits on heads, i think.
At close range, any of the revolvers can be pretty useful. But when you're at a fair range, you're looking at a difference between 25ish damage with the default revolver and over 100 on a headshot. And the cooldown between headshots is only a little over a second, and also guarantees no bullet spread (which is essential at long range).
mostly its just practice, some other things that can help are disabling mouse acceleration and making a bind to lower sensitivity for when you are trying to make a shot
Yeah, that's a good idea. I might add it to my hide-viewmodel bind for longrange shots.
Post by: miauw62 on May 17, 2012, 03:07:25 pm
Also, if its 25 at normal, then its 75 at crit (because crit is x3)
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 17, 2012, 05:09:43 pm
I can see amby being very usefull, but i'm just too lazy.Crits are not subject to drop-off, so it's 3x base damage, or for the ambassador 35x3=105.
Also, if its 25 at normal, then its 75 at crit (because crit is x3)
Post by: cameron on May 17, 2012, 08:50:14 pm
Post by: jester on May 17, 2012, 11:02:06 pm
fairly sure its 34 and 102
OHHHHHH... BURN
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 17, 2012, 11:06:07 pm
Post by: jester on May 18, 2012, 02:01:37 am
Post by: dragonshardz on May 18, 2012, 03:57:49 am
Post by: jc6036 on May 19, 2012, 02:26:42 pm
Why do people get angry over body shots with the regular sniper rifle? I killed an enemy sniper twice, but they happened to be body shots and he got angry. What gives?
Post by: Descan on May 19, 2012, 02:54:18 pm
Post by: hemmingjay on May 19, 2012, 03:00:34 pm
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 19, 2012, 03:00:57 pm
In my experience: No matter how skillful at dodging you are, a competent sniper will be able to bodyshot you to death at long range when you're in an open area, despite anything you do. This is infuriating.
Post by: Tyler6498 on May 19, 2012, 03:11:20 pm
The most frustrating thing about playing a scout on an open field is getting body shot IMO, and it does frustrate me a bit even though I understand how hard it is to hit my head.
Post by: jc6036 on May 19, 2012, 03:16:15 pm
Post by: Metalax on May 19, 2012, 04:14:24 pm
Post by: jc6036 on May 19, 2012, 04:16:37 pm
Also that reminds me for some reason of retreating through the vents in Turbine with the sniper rifle aimed but uncharged, headshotting the first person to pop through. Hilarious.
Post by: Tyler6498 on May 19, 2012, 09:44:15 pm
Post by: jc6036 on May 19, 2012, 10:03:49 pm
But wouldn't the practice of headshots mean you'd get more headshots quicker? I just look at bad weaponry usage leading to bad habits causing you to be stuck at a certain level of ability. It's just my thoughts though, no need to call the Spanish inquisition on this subject.
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Post by: Putnam on May 19, 2012, 10:07:03 pm
Post by: Tyler6498 on May 19, 2012, 10:57:54 pm
But wouldn't the practice of headshots mean you'd get more headshots quicker? I just look at bad weaponry usage leading to bad habits causing you to be stuck at a certain level of ability. It's just my thoughts though, no need to call the Spanish inquisition on this subject.:PSpoiler: It's fucking go time (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! (click to show/hide)
Post by: umiman on May 20, 2012, 02:58:17 am
In that the complaint is not so much "bodyshots are useless scrubs", but rather "X killed me, therefore X is something only scrubs use since they must rely on scrub tactics whereas I'm a pro god amongst men".
They'd probably complain about knives being scrubby if they got stabbed in real life. Since real people only use their fists to kill people.
Post by: The Scout on May 20, 2012, 08:35:15 am
Post by: DJ on May 20, 2012, 08:57:09 am
Post by: DarkerDark on May 20, 2012, 09:14:39 am
I usually always try for quick-scope headshots, but I have no problem bodyshotting people either. As long as I hit my target, I'm happy. :D
Post by: miauw62 on May 20, 2012, 09:35:41 am
For me, a weapon name just has to be a good joke or a reference, but not something everyone can comprehend.
Prometheus's gift is my only named weapon, but can you guess what weapon it is?
Post by: DJ on May 20, 2012, 09:37:46 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 20, 2012, 09:39:17 am
Post by: hemmingjay on May 20, 2012, 10:39:57 am
The name was given to it by my gay best friend, so I think it's ok.
Post by: jc6036 on May 20, 2012, 10:59:54 am
what do people normally trade for keys?
Post by: DarkerDark on May 20, 2012, 11:52:36 am
I think the going rate is 2.33/2.5 refined for a key.
Post by: jc6036 on May 20, 2012, 11:55:35 am
I will have my strange weapon!
Some day ;_;
Post by: Thexor on May 20, 2012, 12:11:05 pm
Wow. That seems like quite a lot. Doesn't one refined metal require at least 3 reclaimed/9 scrap/18 items? And how in the world does the 2.33 work?
I will have my strange weapon!
Some day ;_;
The .33 is easy: A refined is 3 reclaimed. 0.33 of a refined, therefore, is 1 reclaimed. I'm a little less certain about how the "2.5" works.
But yeah, keys are expensive. Remember that you're offering something that anyone can obtain, for something that originally cost $2.50 to purchase. No wonder the value's going to be sky-high. :(
Post by: miauw62 on May 20, 2012, 12:12:02 pm
Also, s shotgun is only 2 rec.
I am saving a fast learner, and thats more then some stranges.
Btw, what strange do you want? if im right, a strange spy knife is not worth that much.
Post by: jc6036 on May 20, 2012, 12:33:31 pm
Post by: Siquo on May 20, 2012, 12:48:30 pm
Post by: miauw62 on May 20, 2012, 12:50:23 pm
I'm not a trader and my backpack is full, so I've been deleting crates... What to do?Either buy keys or try to sell them, if you have a crate that has a s gunslinger in it, dont let them rip it from you, those are worth quite alot.
Also, very old crates have good value too
Post by: DarkerDark on May 20, 2012, 01:08:01 pm
Alternatively, ask if anyone wants crates for free when you join a random server, chances are a new player will be interested and you'll certainly make his day by unloading a bunch of worthless crates onto him. One man's trash is another man's treasure. heh.
Post by: hemmingjay on May 20, 2012, 01:18:14 pm
Post by: Descan on May 20, 2012, 02:20:36 pm
My YER is called "My Suit" and the description is "You got blood on it."
I tend to play spy a lot, have you noticed? :P
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 20, 2012, 02:22:49 pm
I dunno really. I was kind of hoping for either a strange sniper rifle of some sort or maybe a blutsauger.What's your username on Steam? I have a strange bazaar bargain and like 5 strange blutsaugers.
Post by: Siquo on May 20, 2012, 02:39:42 pm
Find which crates are worth a lot, sell those for profit, then sell all the worthless ones in bulk for really cheap.Selling? How does that even work? I can make money off of this? I've still got a few #1 and #4 crates, loads of other crap.
Anyway, if anyone needs anything, just tell me:
http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995274422
Post by: DarkerDark on May 20, 2012, 03:57:26 pm
Find which crates are worth a lot, sell those for profit, then sell all the worthless ones in bulk for really cheap.Selling? How does that even work? I can make money off of this? I've still got a few #1 and #4 crates, loads of other crap.
Anyway, if anyone needs anything, just tell me:
http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995274422
Oh, I meant selling in trading terms. Like trading crates for metal. And yes, if your crate is rare enough, you might be able to make money off of it. I believe people are still going crazy over the crate that contains a strange machina, I could be wrong though, the crate market fluctuates from week to week. What was once a highly prized, very valuable crate one week is a worthless waste of space the next.
Post by: hemmingjay on May 20, 2012, 04:02:33 pm
Post by: jc6036 on May 20, 2012, 05:46:45 pm
I dunno really. I was kind of hoping for either a strange sniper rifle of some sort or maybe a blutsauger.What's your username on Steam? I have a strange bazaar bargain and like 5 strange blutsaugers.
My steam ID is 14bronze.
Spoiler: Here's what's currently in my back pack (click to show/hide)
I've done a bit of spring cleaning recently, making that reclaimed metal.
Post by: Teneb on May 20, 2012, 07:02:13 pm
Post by: Siquo on May 21, 2012, 02:37:06 am
I really do not have the patience for that. Negotiating and trading are nonexistent on my skill-list.Find which crates are worth a lot, sell those for profit, then sell all the worthless ones in bulk for really cheap.Selling? How does that even work? I can make money off of this? I've still got a few #1 and #4 crates, loads of other crap.
Anyway, if anyone needs anything, just tell me:
http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995274422
Oh, I meant selling in trading terms. Like trading crates for metal.
So: FREE WEAPONS FOR WHOEVER WANTS EM (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995274422) (provided I have more than one).
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 21, 2012, 07:51:28 am
(http://i.imgur.com/MeYhx.png) (http://imgur.com/MeYhx)
Can I have a link to your Steam community profile?
Post by: DarkerDark on May 21, 2012, 09:26:59 am
I really do not have the patience for that. Negotiating and trading are nonexistent on my skill-list.Find which crates are worth a lot, sell those for profit, then sell all the worthless ones in bulk for really cheap.Selling? How does that even work? I can make money off of this? I've still got a few #1 and #4 crates, loads of other crap.
Anyway, if anyone needs anything, just tell me:
http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995274422
Oh, I meant selling in trading terms. Like trading crates for metal.
So: FREE WEAPONS FOR WHOEVER WANTS EM (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995274422) (provided I have more than one).
You gotta turn those doubles into metal, Siquo. Then trade it for something neat like the Laughing Taunt or something.
Post by: Siquo on May 21, 2012, 10:16:32 am
Post by: jester on May 21, 2012, 10:22:26 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 21, 2012, 12:29:42 pm
Also, if you have a crate with a s gunslinger in it, dont let them take it off you.
I think a s gunslinger is about the rarest strange in existance.
I also still have a crate with the shaudenfreude in it, etc, etc.
I prob have a few valuable crates lying around.
I unboxed once, in the time of no stranges.
"you have found:"
"vitasaw!"
I was all jelly and going like: "this must be a awesome and exclusive item :D"
Oh, the good ol times... I still use that vitasaw, i think.
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 21, 2012, 01:59:23 pm
Post by: jc6036 on May 21, 2012, 02:34:46 pm
(conversation)Huh. That's weird.
(http://i.imgur.com/MeYhx.png) (http://imgur.com/MeYhx)
Can I have a link to your Steam community profile?
Here ya go: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198033757160 (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198033757160)
Post by: dragonshardz on May 22, 2012, 12:51:51 am
I really do not have the patience for that. Negotiating and trading are nonexistent on my skill-list.
So: FREE WEAPONS FOR WHOEVER WANTS EM (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995274422) (provided I have more than one).
I'll take:
Vintage Scotman's Skullcutter
Vintage Buff Banner
Eviction Notice
Mad Milk
Loch-N-Load
Vintage Wrangler
L'etranger
Homewrecker
Post by: Fiskav on May 22, 2012, 01:54:54 am
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 22, 2012, 05:27:38 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on May 22, 2012, 10:19:15 am
I really do not have the patience for that. Negotiating and trading are nonexistent on my skill-list.
So: FREE WEAPONS FOR WHOEVER WANTS EM (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995274422) (provided I have more than one).
Would you mind parting with a soda popper?
I see you have two. It's one of the few weapons I still don't have(Scottish handshake and manmelter being the others)
Post by: miauw62 on May 22, 2012, 11:39:46 am
I really do not have the patience for that. Negotiating and trading are nonexistent on my skill-list.
Oh, I meant selling in trading terms. Like trading crates for metal.
So: FREE WEAPONS FOR WHOEVER WANTS EM (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995274422) (provided I have more than one).
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I think i'll take:
Back scratcher
Loch N Load
Family buisness
Backburner (i hate it, but i think i'll take one just for completeness)
And thats it.
Man, i nearly have every avaiable weapon.
I miss:
Phlog, backburner, manmelter, cozy camper, pomson, eureka effect, buffalo steak sandvich, holiday punch, persian persuader, rocket jumper (dont need this one), sticky jumper, wrap assasin, crit a cola, fan o war.
Post by: Siquo on May 22, 2012, 12:10:30 pm
Post by: miauw62 on May 22, 2012, 12:39:28 pm
So how do I give these items to you? (I've never done this before) (Steam name is Siquo, btw)Eh, go here:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/miauw62
and add me as a friend, then just trade me.
Not too late to change mind tough, you could craft A LOT of metal out of all those weapons, and you could trade them for a neat hat.
Just find somebody that you trust and that knows the prices, then go on a trading server and type something like: "Buying Hat X, Y.ZZ ref! trade me!"
Post by: Siquo on May 22, 2012, 12:40:17 pm
Post by: Descan on May 22, 2012, 12:51:21 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on May 22, 2012, 01:10:02 pm
So how do I give these items to you? (I've never done this before) (Steam name is Siquo, btw)
steamcommunity.com/id/dragonshardz
Add me as friend, send me a trade request.
I might even give you some metal in return for the weapons.
Post by: Fiskav on May 22, 2012, 02:57:54 pm
Post by: BunnyBob77 on May 22, 2012, 03:57:44 pm
I really do not have the patience for that. Negotiating and trading are nonexistent on my skill-list.I'd like:
So: FREE WEAPONS FOR WHOEVER WANTS EM (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197995274422) (provided I have more than one).
Brass Beast
Your eternal reward
Direct hit
L'etranger
Gloves of running urgently
I'm BunnyBob77 on steam. Thanks in advance!
Post by: Siquo on May 22, 2012, 04:54:34 pm
do a trade request.And that button has been hidden... where?
Post by: dragonshardz on May 22, 2012, 04:58:08 pm
Post by: Siquo on May 22, 2012, 05:00:26 pm
Edit: That's one satisfied receiver. The rest of you didn't respond/didn't accept invite, I'll try again later (or try me if you see me online).
Post by: Teneb on May 22, 2012, 06:24:50 pm
Post by: Fiskav on May 23, 2012, 12:36:48 am
Post by: Siquo on May 23, 2012, 03:27:23 am
Oh, and I do have a crate with a gunslinger in it. What do I do with that?
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 23, 2012, 03:40:21 am
Post by: Siquo on May 23, 2012, 05:27:03 am
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 23, 2012, 08:06:08 am
Post by: Siquo on May 23, 2012, 09:35:41 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 23, 2012, 09:55:09 am
You even got a new tab, bay12
Anybody here 'the legendary strangler' or will i have to ask him why he invited me?
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 23, 2012, 11:13:23 am
Sorry, nevermind then :) I play this game to kill people, the gotta catch em all aspect is completely lost to me.What's the point of killing if you look like a noobleteer doing it? Besides, hats have some gameplay advantages.
Let's say I'm a medic in setup with 100% uber and two friendly heavies are by me revved up. One of them is completely hatless, and one of them is wearing an unusual. I assume (and rightfully so, usually) that the one who looks cool has more experience and I should ubercharge him. There's also of course the polycount update hats that give set bonuses.
Post by: miauw62 on May 23, 2012, 11:43:58 am
Tough i highly recommend that you try to aquire a few hats for the classes you like most.
Post by: Fiskav on May 23, 2012, 03:41:58 pm
Post by: Strangething on May 23, 2012, 08:16:18 pm
Also, anyone have a spare ubersaw?
Post by: Putnam on May 23, 2012, 09:32:08 pm
That makes 10 hats :3
(not counting miscs)
Post by: jc6036 on May 23, 2012, 09:35:14 pm
The Spiral Sallet and The Ghastly Gibbus.
I'm like a poor homeless man in the tf2 world ;_;
Post by: NobodyPro on May 23, 2012, 10:43:20 pm
Post by: umiman on May 23, 2012, 10:49:23 pm
I can't fathom what people with every single hat do with theirs. It's not like they can show them off since there aren't enough classes to equip them on. =|
Post by: Putnam on May 23, 2012, 10:49:52 pm
I have two hats. That's it.
The Spiral Sallet and The Ghastly Gibbus.
I'm like a poor homeless man in the tf2 world ;_;
I didn't even count those :P
I only counted hats that are gained through drops, no achievements or anything like that.
Post by: DarkerDark on May 23, 2012, 11:08:43 pm
The only hat I'm really looking to get is the Scotch bonnet. It looks so natural on the demoman, it's like the hat he would have worn before hats were introduced in the game.
Post by: Metalax on May 24, 2012, 02:44:00 am
That might be me. My full steam name is The Legendary Strangething. It's possible that it got cut off - it's a very long name.Got one, give me a shout, http://steamcommunity.com/id/metalax (http://steamcommunity.com/id/metalax)
Also, anyone have a spare ubersaw?
If anyone has a spare powerjack send me a trade. Any of the weapons of the first page of backback (http://www.tf2items.com/id/metalax) are for trade.
Post by: Fiskav on May 24, 2012, 04:16:10 am
Post by: Siquo on May 24, 2012, 04:19:53 am
I have some hats. I especially like my bright pink heavy-hair, and my orange pyrohelmet. I still need something fun for the soldier and engy, I tend to play those a lot as well. Perhaps I'll craft something with a class token instead of surprising myself with yet another useless sniperhat.
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 24, 2012, 05:13:48 am
[REDACTED]
Post by: Cecilff2 on May 24, 2012, 09:15:23 am
Bonk Boy + Bonk Helmet for my scout. (Have a bakers but it just doesn't fit as well with the bonk boy)
Only have a grenadiers softcap for soldier
Samur-eye and Hustler's for my Demo. Like both, switch between the two now and then.
Toque(Best hat ever) and steel jaw for my heavy. Though I wouldn't mind the black hair hat. Then spamming this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap0zJeeqB6k) and running around with KGB's out would be fun.
My medic has a tyrolean.
Engie has prairie heels, pip boy, and hotrod
sniper has villain's veil and Sola Topi
My spy has no drop hat. But he does have a painted black coule rol which is very spiffy. I tossed the mannco cap on him because it makes him look like a classy redneck frenchman.
Post by: DarkerDark on May 24, 2012, 09:36:25 am
L'Inspecteur for the spy
Ol' Geezer for the engie
Wingstick (misc slot item) for the engie
Foster's Facade for the pyro
Magistrate's Mullet for the spy
Vintage Camera Beard for the spy
Did you want one, Jc? It would make you less poor and Irish.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 24, 2012, 09:57:11 am
Post by: DarkerDark on May 24, 2012, 11:17:13 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 24, 2012, 11:20:30 am
While you are not entirely poor, your hats are still lacking. Do you have the manniversary paper hat? I'll trade you for it if you do.
I do have it, but currently it's being used to give my Soldier a roguish look. Sorry.
Post by: DarkerDark on May 24, 2012, 11:24:07 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 24, 2012, 12:26:44 pm
2 solly hats, stout chako and that captain cap thingy, a pyro hat ( <3 flamboyant flamenco), the cosa nostra cap (spy hat, looks just perfect).
I have a heavvy hat, the outdoorsman, i unboxed it (not an unusual, sucks, right?) and i think i'm selling it for 2.55, if anybody is intrested. (i dont play heavvy all that much and i have a yellow mann co cap, wich looks good on heavvy)
Post by: PTTG?? on May 24, 2012, 12:31:33 pm
Post by: miauw62 on May 24, 2012, 12:37:26 pm
Just a paper hat, or rarely a second hat or weapon.
Also, you wont recieve a second, so no use in holding onto it.
Post by: DarkerDark on May 24, 2012, 12:59:15 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 24, 2012, 02:50:28 pm
Well, I do have a Genuine brainbucket for the soldier if you're interested.
Eh, I think that I'll hold onto the paper hat for now.
Post by: Mongol13524 on May 25, 2012, 07:30:22 am
Post by: TherosPherae on May 25, 2012, 09:14:40 am
Post by: PTTG?? on May 25, 2012, 11:29:05 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 25, 2012, 11:39:32 am
Post by: PTTG?? on May 25, 2012, 01:56:05 pm
Post by: Putnam on May 25, 2012, 10:02:42 pm
As old as king of the hills.
Post by: miauw62 on May 26, 2012, 06:00:53 am
Post by: Siquo on May 28, 2012, 07:17:58 am
Post by: miauw62 on May 28, 2012, 08:08:48 am
Also, that hair is worth about 4.66 ref! (!!!)
I'm rendering my first replay atm.
I'll post it here soon.
Post by: Siquo on May 28, 2012, 08:18:14 am
(Although this week I won't, since I'll be forced to stay in a place called "Mol". I doubt there's even electric power there. (And I know you know where that is)).
Post by: miauw62 on May 28, 2012, 08:54:11 am
It wont let me upload it :x
To you siquo.
BELGIUM FTW FTW FTW FTW FTW!
:D
EDIT:
Nvm the nvm!
Here it is! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njz9HexpXoo&feature=plcp)
Post by: TherosPherae on May 31, 2012, 07:33:46 pm
Quote from: recent patch
Added The Surgeon's Side SatchelIn short, new item, rocket jumpers about to explode in price (pun intended) and IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME THE ENFORCER GOT A NERF
Added new promotional items
Updated The Stickybomb Jumper
Players with this weapon equipped cannot carry the intelligence
Updated The Rocket Jumper
Attributes now match The Stickybomb Jumper
Players with this weapon equipped cannot carry the intelligence
Updated the model and material
Updated The Enforcer
+20% damage bonus while undisguised
-20% firing speed
No random criticals
Updated The Last Breath to fix some clipping issues
Updated the localization files
Post by: The Scout on May 31, 2012, 07:40:57 pm
Post by: 3 on May 31, 2012, 07:44:08 pm
Post by: Putnam on May 31, 2012, 07:44:45 pm
Not a nerf for me. The ability to chase someone, decloak, and blast them in the back of the head is a plus. Getting Rocket Jumper now.
You could do that before, it's just now you can't be disguised at the same time :P
(doesn't affect me, though: I can press mouse5 to undisguise instantly)
Interesting way to handle the Enforcer problem. My hunch is that it'll go well with the C&D. I wouldn't be surprised if people started using it as a sniping weapon like the Ambassador, but more opportunistically.
Nothing goes well with the C&D unless you're on a map with no ammo on it (2FORT!)
Post by: The Scout on May 31, 2012, 07:47:14 pm
Post by: 3 on May 31, 2012, 07:58:43 pm
Nothing goes well with the C&D unless you're on a map with no ammo on it (2FORT!)
Sure things do. You just have to be more concious of your actions than you are with the other watches. The C&D requires a more psychological approach, that's all.
Whether or not that's actually a viable tactic in a given case depends on team composition and countless other things.
Post by: miauw62 on June 01, 2012, 10:05:39 am
Looks like valve is in the nerfing mood.
I hope that they nerf the backburner soon.
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 01, 2012, 11:10:28 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 01, 2012, 11:20:04 am
'Remove the 10% extra damage'
If you are going to be a backburner pyro, why have extra damage from all directions? especially if you consider that crits are nearly instakill usually.
Again, my problem with the bb is that its supposed to be a AMBUSH weapon, but the 10% extra damage makes that nearly nobody uses the crits from behind.
Anyway, lets not go down that path because i recieved a warning for it last time, and i rather not recieve a warning again.
*ahem*
Favorite map?
(mines probably pl_frontier_final. its always alot of fun)
Post by: Descan on June 01, 2012, 12:34:42 pm
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 01, 2012, 02:08:08 pm
Post by: jc6036 on June 01, 2012, 03:09:02 pm
pl_goldrush for Payload
Post by: DJ on June 01, 2012, 03:54:59 pm
Post by: Mishy on June 01, 2012, 05:11:35 pm
Post by: Levi on June 01, 2012, 05:20:25 pm
So yeah. Upon reading TF2 is free, i downloaded steam and TF. Played it for a little, got bored. The game is not as good as i expected. Soon after i started playing quake live and i havnt put it down.
It was better a long time ago. Honest! :P
Post by: Enzo on June 01, 2012, 07:19:07 pm
Favorite map?
Koth_watermill or cp_freight. Freight never gets any love.
Post by: Putnam on June 01, 2012, 07:30:25 pm
In competitive play :P
Post by: Ninteen45 on June 01, 2012, 07:42:19 pm
Freight gets plenty of love!
In competitive play :P
Actually it's well regarded as the "casual 5cp"
Post by: Enzo on June 01, 2012, 08:10:36 pm
Really I just like it so much because it's the greatest spy map ever. It's almost too easy to get behind people.
Post by: Strangething on June 01, 2012, 08:50:47 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 01, 2012, 09:05:25 pm
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 02, 2012, 01:53:03 am
Post by: Putnam on June 02, 2012, 02:11:05 am
It gets played in comps a bit, but not much compared to other 5cps. And I rarely ever see it in pubs unless I nominate it myself and spam "fr8 is gr8" in the chat.
Really I just like it so much because it's the greatest spy map ever. It's almost too easy to get behind people.
Nah, I prefer Badlands and Badwater for that (especially since badlands is the best spycapping map EVER with it's 1 second final cap)
Post by: Scelly9 on June 02, 2012, 08:23:44 am
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz61/Nafar_photos/stupid.png)
Anyone else see the problem with this item?
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 02, 2012, 08:36:11 am
Post by: Scelly9 on June 02, 2012, 08:42:55 am
What problem?Nevermind, I thought it applied to itself. I'm tired.
Post by: miauw62 on June 02, 2012, 09:39:20 am
I remember playing on a server and there was this entire fuss about everybody suddenly wanting a sharp dresser xD
(i crafted one, its my spy knife now :P)
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 02, 2012, 01:03:53 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 02, 2012, 01:21:54 pm
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 03, 2012, 07:37:26 am
About the Black Rose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDKO_MnQdLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDKO_MnQdLo)
Post by: miauw62 on June 03, 2012, 07:58:00 am
The sharp dresser (the AC promotion item) is also craftable.
Post by: jc6036 on June 03, 2012, 10:58:07 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 03, 2012, 11:07:43 am
I dont play AVA anymore anyway, its a pretty crappy and generic game.
Post by: The Scout on June 17, 2012, 12:55:06 pm
Dispensor/Medi-gun for Medic.
Heals for a stable 48 dmg a second, and provides a steady stream of ammo for the target. Not enough that a Heavy could fire indefinitely.
Maybe a +15% Uber Gain Rate.
Uber provides the same effect, except the healing rate is halved. Target gets healing and ammo from both effects.
Engineers get a small stream of metal. Extremely small.
Throw a +5% fire rate on the uber, and it's good for a group charge.
Okay, tear me apart.
Post by: miauw62 on June 17, 2012, 01:03:27 pm
Yay, new weapon ideas.Overpowered.
Dispensor/Medi-gun for Medic.
Heals for a stable 48 dmg a second, and provides a steady stream of ammo for the target. Not enough that a Heavy could fire indefinitely.
Maybe a +15% Uber Gain Rate.
Uber provides the same effect, except the healing rate is halved. Target gets healing and ammo from both effects.
Engineers get a small stream of metal. Extremely small.
Throw a +5% fire rate on the uber, and it's good for a group charge.
Okay, tear me apart.
I dont see the negative side.
48 per sec is good for alot of things. I THINK that the normal one heals less, not sure tough.
Btw, thanks for bumping this thread back up.
Post by: The Scout on June 17, 2012, 01:06:16 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 17, 2012, 01:10:13 pm
We have to change something about the uber tough.
Having it heal slower during the uber doesnt matter that much.
Tough making it a area effect would be a bad idea, since all ubers are one target only, so i guess we better do the same thing.
One of the problems with mediguns is that there isnt really much to tinker with.
Post by: The Scout on June 17, 2012, 01:20:51 pm
A good demoman or anything except scout, could still easily kill anyone under the effects of the uber.
Kritzkrieg charges faster, and can make someones DPS skyrocket, murdering anything save for a sentry.
Regular Uber makes one person invincible. They just charge forward with nothing to worry about, except some extreme knockback.
The Quick-Fix also charges faster, makes them unable to be knocked around, and can almost match it's healing at the base rate, but insta-kills still work.
Maybe make medics not be effected by it? No stacking with the Amputator, or the another medic with the same uber?
Post by: miauw62 on June 17, 2012, 01:33:42 pm
I was thinking you were suggesting a regular uber with the heal effects halved.
Post by: jester on June 17, 2012, 01:35:38 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 17, 2012, 01:41:40 pm
Every so often someone talks about putting the overhealer back in (no decay on health buffs) other than that, im not really sure what else there is for an uber to do that isnt stoopidly op. Increase speed and accuracy maybe? reduce gravity?Accuracy is not too much of a concern for many people, it would only work on heavvies, and speed, nobody really cares about that, especially if its a uber effect.
Reduce gravity sounds hilarious, but i dont think they would put it in :(
Yeah, the medic is pretty much out of new weapons.
(unless you're going to make the medigun a offensive weapon)
Post by: Matz05 on June 17, 2012, 02:45:04 pm
Post by: NotAQuisling on June 17, 2012, 02:50:40 pm
Post by: Derekristow on June 17, 2012, 04:27:05 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 17, 2012, 09:26:12 pm
Oooh. Like a vampire medigun? Hurts enemies, fills tank. Heals superfast, empties tank. Can't heal while empty?
I'm liking this one. I'd do it slightly differently though; leave healing untouched, but make uber only build when you or your patient damage an enemy. This damaging fills uber at a rate twice the normal rate if you lock on to the enemy yourself, otherwise at a rate proportional to the damage your patient does.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 17, 2012, 09:37:11 pm
Comparatively underpowered compared to invincibility and 3x damage with no falloff.Yay, new weapon ideas.Overpowered.
Dispensor/Medi-gun for Medic.
Heals for a stable 48 dmg a second, and provides a steady stream of ammo for the target. Not enough that a Heavy could fire indefinitely.
Maybe a +15% Uber Gain Rate.
Uber provides the same effect, except the healing rate is halved. Target gets healing and ammo from both effects.
Engineers get a small stream of metal. Extremely small.
Throw a +5% fire rate on the uber, and it's good for a group charge.
Okay, tear me apart.
I dont see the negative side.
48 per sec is good for alot of things. I THINK that the normal one heals less, not sure tough.
Btw, thanks for bumping this thread back up.
I would personally want the medigun to grant clipsize overheal/firerate overheal for stream weapons. Instead of providing teammates with more health you provide them with more firepower. The Uber would probably instantly fill the clip of the first guy you uber and grant reload speed/more firerate.
Cannot possibly be overpowered compared to x3 damage/150% health/invincibility. I would dig a medigun that had an area effect for pushes, but I don't know if the current musings would work with that.
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 18, 2012, 02:13:49 am
Heals for a stable 48 dmg a secondRead this: http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=1656 (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=1656)
Okay, tear me apart.
Post by: The Scout on June 18, 2012, 02:25:02 am
Post by: Neyvn on June 18, 2012, 03:42:22 am
A little overpowered is it not? It ignores the pyros ability to take less damage from other pyros and such. Just did a test, he killed me faster then i could kill him with any other pyro weapon...
Post by: Siquo on June 18, 2012, 03:44:19 am
A little overpowered is it not?Yes.
Post by: Enzo on June 18, 2012, 04:15:15 am
A little overpowered is it not?Yes.
The Phlog? Yes, taking away the Pyros most useful tool and reducing damage in exchange for a usually avoidable kritz, completely OP. If the other team knows to backpeddle when the pyro taunts, there's not a whole lot of benefit to using the weapon.
Of course, a lot of people don't know to backpeddle. And that's why it's fun to use.
Post by: Putnam on June 18, 2012, 04:18:00 am
A little overpowered is it not?Yes.
The Phlog? Yes, taking away the Pyros most useful tool and reducing damage in exchange for a usually avoidable kritz, completely OP. If the other team knows to backpeddle when the pyro taunts, there's not a whole lot of benefit to using the weapon.
Of course, a lot of people don't know to backpeddle. And that's why it's fun to use.
Only scouts can backpedal faster than pyros can walk.
Post by: Enzo on June 18, 2012, 04:22:21 am
backpeddle pro spelling
Post by: Putnam on June 18, 2012, 04:23:49 am
But everyone can backpedal faster than they can taunt.
It's a 3-5 second taunt >_>
Post by: Siquo on June 18, 2012, 04:32:28 am
In other news, I'm learning sniping on pub servers, and it's fun. We won a koth game with a 50% sniper team. That bad.
Post by: Enzo on June 18, 2012, 04:40:26 am
I'm a terrible Pyro who can't airblast so it's a sidegrade for me, but any respectable Pyro I play with wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.
Post by: Siquo on June 18, 2012, 04:42:41 am
any respectable Pyro I play with wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.True dat, but I play on pub servers, and lately make it a sport playing my least-played classes and still trying to end up as #1 :) On pub servers the Phlog is... devastating.
Post by: Enzo on June 18, 2012, 04:51:10 am
But yeah, like a said. Lots of pub players can't understand the concept of strategic retreat...even for three seconds. And again, that's what makes the Phlog fun to use.
Post by: Siquo on June 18, 2012, 05:30:31 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 18, 2012, 07:40:45 am
'tis my community, and they have neat servers with neat people.
(well, the payload server is neat. 2fort/turbine 24/7, 32 players and instarespawn is a tad less neat :P)
If they just took away the reduced damage during the taunt, the phlog would be half as bad.
(same goes for backburner, take away 10% extra damage, get non-op weapon. But thats more because 10% extra damage disencourages ambushing. I only see a few new pyro players use the backburner as it was ment, hiding around corners and such. Then they think over the 10% extra damage, and go all w+m1.)
Post by: Siquo on June 18, 2012, 09:04:35 am
Aerolitegaming.I think I've killed your clanmates quite a few times then... [ALG] is it?
'tis my community, and they have neat servers with neat people.
I'll be around ;)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 18, 2012, 09:34:34 am
Hmmm, that Plotighus thing... Pyro Weapon...Nah
A little overpowered is it not? It ignores the pyros ability to take less damage from other pyros and such. Just did a test, he killed me faster then i could kill him with any other pyro weapon...
Darn thing will get you killed more often than not. You honestly don't need to backpedal with three dudes working on the guy, you'll kill him faster than he can kill one of you. If you are less than three dudes than that is hardly an entire team and plenty of other classes can be that intimidating. If you are reloading/don't see him approach/are distracted with other dudes then congrats, you just got ambushed.
Post by: The Scout on June 18, 2012, 10:10:48 am
Airblasting back arrow after arrow has an awesome feel to it. Until you let a team mate die.
Post by: miauw62 on June 18, 2012, 10:16:54 am
A old friend from the minecraft freebuild server i used to roam:
"Is your clan name algebra?"
Post by: Metalax on June 19, 2012, 08:07:30 pm
Looks like somethings coming up shortly.
Post by: Enzo on June 19, 2012, 09:51:06 pm
Mysterious. Very mysterious.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 19, 2012, 10:30:54 pm
Post by: Enzo on June 20, 2012, 01:26:20 am
Also thanks for the gift PTTG :3
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2012, 03:15:26 am
EDIT:
Btw, i'm preparing for the next wave of overpowered pyro weapons that will obviously come with meet the pyro.
*complaining before there is anything to complain about :3*
Post by: The Scout on June 20, 2012, 03:40:55 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2012, 03:44:14 am
Valve fucked up on the phlognisator, they didnt add anything that was really usefull.
Post by: DJ on June 20, 2012, 06:55:29 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2012, 07:02:53 am
EDIT:
Somebody traded me an s overdose for a mad milk.
No ripoff, i asked him for 1 scrap or 2 weps, and he was all like "ah shit, i dont got no more scraps or weps, take this!"
awesome.
Post by: Metalax on June 20, 2012, 01:34:02 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2012, 01:34:35 pm
Post by: DJ on June 20, 2012, 02:51:55 pm
Hm, you know, it could work as a taunt kill in Nucleus...
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2012, 03:07:28 pm
There was just another update, update #298. Current thought on SPUF is that valve are deliberately doing smaller updates so whatever big thing is coming up will be the 300th update. Looks like something was changed in dustbowl, 2fort and gravelpit in this update.
New update was to fix a console command that could crash servers.
I'm just getting one of every one of these items and selling the rest for 1 ref.
Post by: Duuvian on June 20, 2012, 03:42:12 pm
I like to point them towards FL Studio music producing software because if they have enough spare time to pretend to be a troll by mic spamming then they probably could do it even better if they had their own original music or sound track. That way it isn't just screaming naughty words.
Post by: Metalax on June 20, 2012, 07:12:32 pm
There was just another update, update #298. Current thought on SPUF is that valve are deliberately doing smaller updates so whatever big thing is coming up will be the 300th update. Looks like something was changed in dustbowl, 2fort and gravelpit in this update.
New update was to fix a console command that could crash servers.
I'm just getting one of every one of these items and selling the rest for 1 ref.
The changes to the maps appear to have been for bot navigation.
In addition, if you have the http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Eliminating_The_Impossible (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Eliminating_The_Impossible) set equipped in a server, the descriptions of the new items now change when viewed. Put together the new descriptions forms a quote from sherlock holmes.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 21, 2012, 12:15:03 am
There was just another update, update #298. Current thought on SPUF is that valve are deliberately doing smaller updates so whatever big thing is coming up will be the 300th update. Looks like something was changed in dustbowl, 2fort and gravelpit in this update.
New update was to fix a console command that could crash servers.
I'm just getting one of every one of these items and selling the rest for 1 ref.
I'm buying. I'm looking for cheese, or the diary, or the capacitor.
Post by: The Scout on June 21, 2012, 01:49:50 am
Post by: Scelly9 on June 21, 2012, 01:58:13 am
Hahaha, got 4 friends pouring crates and these drops into me. Hell of alot of pocket lint.How do you get this stuff? It seems incredibly rare for me.
Post by: Putnam on June 21, 2012, 02:52:20 am
Post by: Enzo on June 21, 2012, 03:19:40 am
Hahaha, got 4 friends pouring crates and these drops into me. Hell of alot of pocket lint.How do you get this stuff? It seems incredibly rare for me.
Yeah, like I said. On average it seems to be about 1 junk-per-drop, but it varies from at least 0-2 junk drops per item.
Presumably one will be able to craft these into useful items. A hat? New Pyro items? Mann Vs Machine specific items? Who knows!
Some items also seem to be more common than others. I've seen a ton of banana peels, lint, and barn doors but the other stuff seems a lot more uncommon. Anybody wants a banana peel let me know, I've got a shitton.
Post by: miauw62 on June 21, 2012, 03:47:29 am
Hmm.
Would it be the pyro or MVM?
Anyway, i'm staying with my opinion:
get all of them, or achievement hats will not be yours!
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 21, 2012, 05:37:56 am
Post by: Scelly9 on June 21, 2012, 06:10:02 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 21, 2012, 06:30:08 am
Post by: jester on June 21, 2012, 10:35:34 am
I mean drops in general. I played for about eight hours, got one.
Generally you get about 1 drop every hour or so up till around 10 items a week, crates not included, maybe 3 crates a week. Timer resets at midnight on wednesday, (so thursday is new drops day) thats the day here in australia anyway.
Though im happy for someone to give some more exact numbers.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 21, 2012, 07:12:22 pm
Post by: TherosPherae on June 21, 2012, 07:30:34 pm
Has anyone found anything besides the banana error? (craft two banana peels together)Nope. People are currently compiling the various banana errors into a PNG, so if you want to contribute yours, just hop on over there.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 21, 2012, 07:51:23 pm
I know new items and crafting is going down. I'm preparing for this, stockpiling my junk, the usual. Always keeping at least two of everything so I can always craft one and still have an extra to use. This on top of the handful of hats I have is enough to completely fill an inventory. Welp. Gotta find some way of liquidating this stuff other than scrap metal, I've done as much as I can for that.
Post by: The Scout on June 21, 2012, 08:06:43 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 21, 2012, 08:18:31 pm
Post by: Tyler6498 on June 21, 2012, 08:38:24 pm
Also I bet the "Meet the Pyro" and the Summer sale will kick off at the same time. That's my guess.
Post by: Putnam on June 21, 2012, 09:46:56 pm
Spoiler: Secret images! OOOooooOOOOoooH! (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Scout on June 21, 2012, 10:38:28 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 21, 2012, 10:41:22 pm
Also, those images appear to be two separate pages. Of 500% enriched hilarity.
Post by: Putnam on June 21, 2012, 11:48:13 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 22, 2012, 12:58:10 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 22, 2012, 05:42:10 am
I'm not too excited for new pyro stuff.
(probably because i got a s shotty and a s named described server-clearing ft :P)
And valve will probs fuck it up anyway, and make them overpowered or useless.
Yeah, i dont trust them when it comes to the pyro.
They seem to really HATE the pyro.
EDIT:
Yeah, i want to make some more refz, so i'm trading any weapon i have double for one scrap, or a salty dog for 2 ref.
My steam name is still "[ALG] Miauw" (note the space between ] and M, quotes not included obviously.)
( http://www.tf2items.com/id/Miauw62 check there if you cant be bothered to send me a friend request only to find out that i dont have your weapon yet)
Post by: Metalax on June 22, 2012, 09:06:26 am
Yeah, i want to make some more refz, so i'm trading any weapon i have double for one scrap, or a salty dog for 2 ref.
My steam name is still "[ALG] Miauw" (note the space between ] and M, quotes not included obviously.)
( http://www.tf2items.com/id/Miauw62 check there if you cant be bothered to send me a friend request only to find out that i dont have your weapon yet)
Sent a friends req from http://steamcommunity.com/id/metalax (http://steamcommunity.com/id/metalax). I'll grab your spare powerjack and razorback if I can, that'll let me finish off crafting the last weapons with specified recipies for my collection.
edit: thanks, now just to hunt down the last 6 or so token crafted weapons.
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2012, 11:55:30 am
Post by: Putnam on June 22, 2012, 03:19:19 pm
Post by: DarkerDark on June 22, 2012, 04:13:34 pm
Here's another biggie. (http://www.adultswim.com/promos/valve/)
I'm guessing it's "Meet the Pyro" but I'm hoping it's "TF2 - The Series." :D
Post by: Putnam on June 22, 2012, 05:06:06 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 22, 2012, 05:12:57 pm
Mmm Mmmph! (http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=8256)
Soon...
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 22, 2012, 05:14:15 pm
M O N D A Y
Post by: BunnyBob77 on June 22, 2012, 05:22:00 pm
Long words are dashes, short words are dotsThat was... fast. Well, meet the pyro is coming on monday then.
M O N D A Y
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 22, 2012, 05:23:34 pm
That was... fast.Not what she said, and my degree finally has a use!
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2012, 08:38:47 pm
Edit: Hahahaha, not a single server on the list of of 3000 is running the map.
Post by: DarkerDark on June 22, 2012, 09:52:06 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2012, 11:58:20 pm
Scout, would you be able to start your own local server running that map and still be able to achieve whatever goal you were hoping to accomplish? I remember seeing a server option that allowed you to pick any custom map that's been introduced to the steam servers and download it automatically to play on it locally. Saw it in someone's Rocket jumping tutorial videos....Not up there.
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 23, 2012, 04:07:51 am
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2012, 04:37:45 am
There seems to have been some changes in links, masked by everything being renamed as MMMPH etc. I'm too lazy and don't have the unedited version to work with, but it probably contains some hints, and I'll wake up in the morning and someone who's a bigger nerd than I am will have figured it out already.
Post by: miauw62 on June 23, 2012, 05:10:16 am
EXCITEMENT
EXCITEMENT
GAAAGAGHAGHAGHAGHAHGHGAGHAGHAGHAHG.
Post by: micelus on June 23, 2012, 05:16:16 am
I assume people have checked the mmmppph hmmmph (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Main_Page) recently, right? It's looking like meet the pyro season.
There seems to have been some changes in links, masked by everything being renamed as MMMPH etc. I'm too lazy and don't have the unedited version to work with, but it probably contains some hints, and I'll wake up in the morning and someone who's a bigger nerd than I am will have figured it out already.
The only obvious thing I can find is that something was added to the pyro page and then quickly removed.
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on June 23, 2012, 05:23:21 am
Post by: Scelly9 on June 23, 2012, 12:10:35 pm
In case you don't go on reddit, here's the 'explaining like you're five' reddit post. (http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/veu75/psa_arg_update_explaining_like_youre_five/) Should be helpful for those who aren't understanding too well.I think the top comment says it all:
Quote
I swear, we could solve the hardest questions in the world if they say we'll get a update.Seriously. These guys are crazy.
Post by: miauw62 on June 23, 2012, 12:25:23 pm
So we are getting meet the pyro AND mann versus machine?
EDIT:
I find this awesome tough. Valve releases an ARG and the entire community mobilizes to solve the mystery.
COMMUNITY POWER FUCKYEAH
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2012, 03:03:18 pm
Also, are people really paying 1 or 2 rec. for goldfish and bananas and stuff? They're so common, if this is true I feel as though I should dump mine for a profit.
Post by: Scelly9 on June 23, 2012, 03:08:02 pm
That's what I really like about ARGs, I can just wildly speculate and let everyone else do the work for me.Yeah, do it now. You don't want to sell after the value drops because whatever their for is released and turns out to not be that good.
Also, are people really paying 1 or 2 rec. for goldfish and bananas and stuff? They're so common, if this is true I feel as though I should dump mine for a profit.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 23, 2012, 03:10:58 pm
Post by: Enzo on June 23, 2012, 03:17:00 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: UltraValican on June 23, 2012, 04:05:51 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on June 24, 2012, 07:30:32 am
Post by: PTTG?? on June 24, 2012, 11:38:53 am
Post by: The Scout on June 24, 2012, 04:33:43 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 24, 2012, 11:57:38 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 25, 2012, 12:01:16 am
I'm not even being facetious, I've seen it happen.
Post by: Neyvn on June 25, 2012, 12:37:05 am
The whole pre-Pyro extravganza led me to the TF2 comics. I didn't know the classes actually had names.What names??? Nearly all of the comics refer to them by their class names... Except for Blue Engie... His name is Dell Conagher...
Post by: Dermonster on June 25, 2012, 12:45:16 am
Post by: Neyvn on June 25, 2012, 12:47:03 am
Soldiers name is Jane Doe and the Demo is named... Tarvish Degroot I thinkOh yeah, I remember Red Demo's name now, but where is Soldiers???
You got to remember the colours guys, they differ the two kinds of classes as people that way... :P
Post by: Putnam on June 25, 2012, 01:15:56 am
Soldiers name is Jane Doe and the Demo is named... Tarvish Degroot I thinkOh yeah, I remember Red Demo's name now, but where is Soldiers???
You got to remember the colours guys, they differ the two kinds of classes as people that way... :P
Blue Soldier's name is in the Soldier's portion of the comic where Red Demoman's is.
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 25, 2012, 01:54:03 am
The soldier's actual name is Jane Doe.Soldiers name is Jane Doe and the Demo is named... Tarvish Degroot I thinkOh yeah, I remember Red Demo's name now, but where is Soldiers???
You got to remember the colours guys, they differ the two kinds of classes as people that way... :P
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2012, 02:10:07 am
Post by: jester on June 25, 2012, 02:13:09 am
...Where the hell is that update.
Valve time
edit: and they usually set these things up to drop on a friday, with buildup during the week, so my money is on this friday, or the next, or maybe the one after that.
Post by: Putnam on June 25, 2012, 02:35:09 am
...Where the hell is that update.
Valve's "monday" actually means "9:00 PM local time at the earliest".
Local time for valve is PST.
Post by: Neyvn on June 25, 2012, 03:02:09 am
I don't remember the first name being mentioned, only Doe, gotta look again...The soldier's actual name is Jane Doe.Soldiers name is Jane Doe and the Demo is named... Tarvish Degroot I thinkOh yeah, I remember Red Demo's name now, but where is Soldiers???
You got to remember the colours guys, they differ the two kinds of classes as people that way... :P
Post by: Techhead on June 25, 2012, 03:21:17 am
Page 16. Bam.
Post by: Neyvn on June 25, 2012, 03:39:16 am
http://www.teamfortress.com/war/soldier/You know, I never noticed that thing on the Door...
Page 16. Bam.
Naturally Its prob not his real name considering how much of a Psycho he is...
Post by: Siquo on June 25, 2012, 05:01:12 am
just over-rated.Personally I do not give a damn about ratings. TF2 managed to entertain me for over 600 hours, I've yet to see any game match that.
Post by: miauw62 on June 25, 2012, 09:35:35 am
Every little detail was tought over ten times.
Valve took time to build up the TF universe. and they did a damn good job.
Ofcourse, that doesnt say anything about gameplay, but the gameplay is usually good as well...
(this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPJp_R0ldqg&feature=related) demonstrates it well)
Post by: LASD on June 25, 2012, 10:43:57 am
http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/)
Theeeere we go, it was Monday after all.
EDIT: Wow, I apparently beat the TF2 official group to it, I managed to visit the blog right after they updated.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 25, 2012, 10:51:21 am
A real update, whooo!
http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/)
Theeeere we go, it was Monday after all.
EDIT: Wow, I apparently beat the TF2 official group to it, I managed to visit the blog right after they updated.
...
Well, there goes the rest of my day. And my week. And most of next week too.
Post by: miauw62 on June 25, 2012, 11:05:39 am
SHAMELESS ADVERTISING PROTOCOL ACTIVATE
ALG will soon turn their PL/CP serv into a DD serv.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 25, 2012, 12:04:28 pm
Post by: Descan on June 25, 2012, 12:09:32 pm
Post by: LASD on June 25, 2012, 01:15:16 pm
The... update isn't out yet...
Oh yeah, sorry for the slightly misleading title, I'll change it. This is like the old-fashioned updates (original class updates) where they reveal stuff for a few days before it actually comes out.
Post by: Scelly9 on June 25, 2012, 01:16:06 pm
The... update isn't out yet...There's three pieces of it. Scroll down on the page.
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2012, 01:18:10 pm
Post by: Descan on June 25, 2012, 01:30:24 pm
Yes, but can you play the map? No? There you go.The... update isn't out yet...There's three pieces of it. Scroll down on the page.
I was talking to the guy who tried looking for the map in servers.
Post by: Scelly9 on June 25, 2012, 01:31:21 pm
Ah, thought you forgot to scroll :PYes, but can you play the map? No? There you go.The... update isn't out yet...There's three pieces of it. Scroll down on the page.
I was talking to the guy who tried looking for the map in servers.
Post by: Enzo on June 25, 2012, 01:37:45 pm
I really hope Vector isn't made official. It's kind of broken and unfun most of the time. Surely I'm just wildly speculating.
Post by: Metalax on June 25, 2012, 04:10:13 pm
Post by: Matz05 on June 25, 2012, 04:20:54 pm
I wonder what role our "perfect idiots" are playing?
Post by: Tyler6498 on June 25, 2012, 07:28:43 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2012, 08:06:42 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 25, 2012, 09:01:14 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 25, 2012, 09:02:55 pm
All right, I figured it out on my own eventually. I thought valve had abandoned this style of update- I haven't seen it in a long time. Thanks though. I'm excited for the developments tomorrow!
Last time was the F2P update, wasn't it?
Post by: Ricky on June 25, 2012, 10:05:19 pm
Anyone got a Series 20, 21, or 28 crate? Ricky's a bloody extortionist.
I take offense to that comment
Post by: The Scout on June 25, 2012, 10:29:24 pm
Haggled the hell out of that deal. I'm happy with it.Anyone got a Series 20, 21, or 28 crate? Ricky's a bloody extortionist.
I take offense to that comment
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 25, 2012, 11:17:17 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 25, 2012, 11:26:17 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 26, 2012, 12:38:01 am
Post by: jester on June 26, 2012, 05:09:21 am
MvM stands for Mann versus Monkey.
Assuming they will put in the monkey as a boss again maybe?
Post by: miauw62 on June 26, 2012, 10:13:48 am
At least, thats what i can make up from the description and the screenie at the bottom.
Post by: Techhead on June 26, 2012, 10:51:30 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 26, 2012, 11:17:23 am
Still, some actual love for the pyro would have been nice...
Ugh, its such a hard class to play, such a great class, yet valve says fuck this and every server had the pyro hater that says "PAIROZ R GAI CUZ DEM BE EASEH!".
Look me into the eyes and tell me that pyro is easy, and that heavy and engineer are hard. Whenever somebody says that, i want to punch them in the face twenty times. Because they wont change opinion. They never do.
Post by: Duuvian on June 26, 2012, 11:51:32 am
...Am I the only one disappointed about this turn of events? Really? Space monkeys?
What's it have to do with the Pyro anywho?
Umm... Poopy Joe is an incredibly important personage. Why would Valve have documentation of hearings concerning only him with Senators for Mr. Hale to beat up otherwise?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 26, 2012, 01:06:06 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 26, 2012, 01:12:49 pm
"pyro update!"
"NEW GAMEMODE UNRELATED TO PYRO DURR DURR DURR"
EDIT:
I THINK that this just appeared!
Look at the countdown screen, there is now a pyro with the scorch shot on it.
I'm not sure, but i think it appeared
http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 26, 2012, 01:26:11 pm
Post by: Dermonster on June 26, 2012, 01:29:18 pm
Post by: Matz05 on June 26, 2012, 01:32:56 pm
This can't end well.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 26, 2012, 01:34:38 pm
Valve giving us meet the pyro frame by frame?
Post by: BunnyBob77 on June 26, 2012, 01:34:48 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/cityonfire/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/cityonfire/)
Post by: Enzo on June 26, 2012, 01:35:04 pm
Too slooooow :C
Post by: jaxy15 on June 26, 2012, 01:39:55 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 26, 2012, 01:40:47 pm
Post by: mattie2009 on June 26, 2012, 01:43:35 pm
Specifically, the picture of the Pyro shooting the scout?
Look at the bottom left corner of that image. We may have hope for ol' asbestos-mask yet.
Post by: BunnyBob77 on June 26, 2012, 01:44:26 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 26, 2012, 01:45:42 pm
Has anyone seen the bottom of the City on Fire page?
Specifically, the picture of the Pyro shooting the scout?
Look at the bottom left corner of that image. We may have hope for ol' asbestos-mask yet.
...What do you mean by that? We've known MTP was coming out tomorrow since Monday...
Post by: mattie2009 on June 26, 2012, 01:46:56 pm
Post by: Matz05 on June 26, 2012, 01:47:12 pm
The pistol and scattergun replacements look to be mutually canceling--one PREVENTS FALL DAMAGE and the other is harmed by JUMPING.
The scattergun looks more like a conventional shotgun though--MUCH tighter spread there. If the falloff isn't too bad, it might be good for long-range harassing.
Sniper weapons are cool--seem to encourage lurking in wait for an opportunity followed by a brief rampage.
What does "upscoping" mean? Being kicked out of zoom (temporarily if a certain setting is checked) when firing? That could be a really good thing--you can aim at the next guy while still reloading!
Scorch shot seems like a pretty cool Detonator varient--impact trigger and a concussion warhead rather than the heavy fire damage of the other flares.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 26, 2012, 01:57:11 pm
What does "upscoping" mean? Being kicked out of zoom (temporarily if a certain setting is checked) when firing? That could be a really good thing--you can aim at the next guy while still reloading!
I think that upscoping means that the crosshairs move upwards after each shot. So no upscoping means that your aim won't be ruined, unless I'm understanding this wrong.
Post by: TherosPherae on June 26, 2012, 02:04:59 pm
If the Pyro doesn't get a flood of new toys tomorrow, Valve, I will be disappoint.
Post by: Putnam on June 26, 2012, 02:07:48 pm
Post by: Matz05 on June 26, 2012, 02:12:29 pm
I dunno if your crosshairs move up after firing in TF2, because you leave zoom immediately.
Post by: The Scout on June 26, 2012, 02:14:20 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 26, 2012, 02:22:45 pm
Post by: Matz05 on June 26, 2012, 02:27:03 pm
Scouts that are fire-vulnerable, stay on the ground more, and slow down after they jump over you.
Snipers that have less panic-close-combat ability and stay in scope more (also means more tasty toasty spies).
Soldiers who shotgun rockets instead of sniping with them.
All very pro-pyro.
EDIT: Oh, and the scout weapon is less of a point-blank face tearer-offer!
Post by: The Scout on June 26, 2012, 03:25:08 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 26, 2012, 03:25:55 pm
....That shotgun better work on damage, and not just a "hit". I want to run up to a heavy, blast him in the back and run away, not snipe people then run up for easy kills.
You'd better be using the scattergun for that, then.
Post by: Enzo on June 26, 2012, 03:32:45 pm
Suddenly my slow-scout disguise is 100% more viable!
Post by: The Scout on June 26, 2012, 03:37:12 pm
Post by: Spinal_Taper on June 26, 2012, 03:40:18 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 26, 2012, 06:43:22 pm
They're all for other classes. Also, why is the soldier painted? Is his weapon model not completely done, or maybe his tin can grenades.
I think that Valve is just being fancy and showing off some concept art. He seems to be rendered perfectly fine at the top of the page.
Post by: Vherid on June 26, 2012, 07:43:17 pm
Post by: Descan on June 26, 2012, 07:49:17 pm
SMG crits are powerful, man.
Post by: Rex_Nex on June 26, 2012, 08:14:56 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 26, 2012, 08:19:37 pm
If the Pyro doesn't get a flood of new toys tomorrow, Valve, I will be disappoint.
Medic didn't really get his weapons on his Meet The video until the last day, right? Don't get ahead of yourself, we gots time for some cool stuff.
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 26, 2012, 08:23:26 pm
I feel bad. One of my friends traded me a few items to get me on my feet, but now I cant play anymore. Apparently one of the items (Big Steel Jaw of Summer Fun!) is pretty rare and there's no way for me to give him it back until I purchase TF2 :CIt's only about a dollar or so for the cheapest thing in the store, and that'll take the limits off.
Or "splurge" on a key that might net you a neat Strange, which is basically the normal gun with a kill-counter stuck on. Or you could get a hat.
Post by: Putnam on June 26, 2012, 09:29:08 pm
Post by: TherosPherae on June 26, 2012, 10:35:41 pm
Yeah, I'm hoping they roll the same way they did with Meet the Medic where all the awesome class-focused stuff shows up on the last day.If the Pyro doesn't get a flood of new toys tomorrow, Valve, I will be disappoint.
Medic didn't really get his weapons on his Meet The video until the last day, right? Don't get ahead of yourself, we gots time for some cool stuff.
On the plus side, I run a little token shop, so this update and the resulting "OMG NEW WEAPONS" panic has resulted in nothing but profit for me.
And before I get swamped with token-buying requests, I'm pretty much sold out until next week when the new-stuff hype has calmed down.
Post by: Putnam on June 26, 2012, 10:38:58 pm
Yeah, I'm hoping they roll the same way they did with Meet the Medic where all the awesome class-focused stuff shows up on the last day.If the Pyro doesn't get a flood of new toys tomorrow, Valve, I will be disappoint.
Medic didn't really get his weapons on his Meet The video until the last day, right? Don't get ahead of yourself, we gots time for some cool stuff.
On the plus side, I run a little token shop, so this update and the resulting "OMG NEW WEAPONS" panic has resulted in nothing but profit for me.
And before I get swamped with token-buying requests, I'm pretty much sold out until next week when the new-stuff hype has calmed down.
That is brilliant economics and a great idea.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 26, 2012, 10:52:07 pm
Post by: TherosPherae on June 26, 2012, 11:01:27 pm
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with it. It even has a fairly steady income during non-update times because certain melee reskins are only craftable through the token system.Yeah, I'm hoping they roll the same way they did with Meet the Medic where all the awesome class-focused stuff shows up on the last day.
On the plus side, I run a little token shop, so this update and the resulting "OMG NEW WEAPONS" panic has resulted in nothing but profit for me.
And before I get swamped with token-buying requests, I'm pretty much sold out until next week when the new-stuff hype has calmed down.
That is brilliant economics and a great idea.
Post by: Enzo on June 26, 2012, 11:59:41 pm
You can add a minimum of $5 to the steam wallet.
Yes, but you can buy a stickylauncher for 50 cents, wait for a steam sale, and buy a decent indie game with the remaining wallet funds. I'm not saying TF2 isn't TOTALLY WORTH the 5 bucks, I'm just thinking practically.
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 03:59:22 am
BUT IM RAGING RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS A PYRO UPDATE.
THE PYRO GETS ONE. SINGLE. WEAPON.
OTHER CLASSES GET 2 WEAPONS.
SERIOUSLY VALVE. WHAT. THE. FLYING. ****?
This annoys me to a great extent. I'm not saying that the new pyro weapon is bad, but you'd expect more things for the pyro in a pyro update. :(
(well, the pyro actually got two things, a new weapon and a shitty scout pistol that allows you to have afterburn kill them if nothing is done about it, if you do it right.)
EDIT:
Oh, and i just noticed that the title above the pyro weapon is "Plus a new toy for the pyro" as if the pyro is the least important thing in this update.
Anyway, i'm going to try to make my epic double-crocket reflect replay into a movie so i dont lose it and i can submit it to the saxxy's.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 27, 2012, 04:13:26 am
Scout is slower and stays longer on the ground, sniper remains zoomed in for much longer and the soldier shotguns unaimed rockets, making airblasting easier.
Valve will probably release the real Pyro items tomorrow. If not, I'm going to petition for a scout based update so that I can get some new engineer items.
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 04:14:30 am
Makes the easy ones easier, but the good players stay good.
Post by: Siquo on June 27, 2012, 04:42:10 am
Post by: Metalax on June 27, 2012, 04:44:24 am
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 27, 2012, 05:39:59 am
Yep, all new weapons suck. I see no situation in which they could be useful. :(You've never played or watched competitive, have you?
Post by: Siquo on June 27, 2012, 05:50:47 am
The weapons are all balanced fairly well, and would be useful in many a situation.Nope. :D Enlighten me.Yep, all new weapons suck. I see no situation in which they could be useful. :(You've never played or watched competitive, have you?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 27, 2012, 06:59:52 am
Didnt take time to read the stuff between this and my last post.Then you missed us already pointing out that the Medic didn't get anything until the last day of his Meet The video update. There is absolutely no reason to think the Pyro won't get more stuff
Chill out
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 07:08:46 am
Thanks for pointing that out. (again)
Post by: Elu on June 27, 2012, 07:18:54 am
also is an increase in accuracy(and the "boost") really worth the damage and speed lost?
Post by: jester on June 27, 2012, 07:25:02 am
The weapons are all balanced fairly well, and would be useful in many a situation.Nope. :D Enlighten me.Yep, all new weapons suck. I see no situation in which they could be useful. :(You've never played or watched competitive, have you?
ok, ill bite.
1: sollis rocket launcher is potentially a wrecking machine, 3 rockets at once will just brutalize the opposition if used right, in comp anything that lets you oneshot a med is huge.
2: the scout pistol is rather huge if only for the +15% health (does that mean +15 hp or +15%?) scout in a pros hands is one of the most powerful classes in the game and a good scout will pretty much never let a pyro get into flamethrower range, +15 is a noticeable advantage to a good scout and in comp, any advantage needs to be seized and kicked to death so it cant run away. The shottie is a little differnt, but the accuracy bonus makes it interesting, not being able to jump with it probably makes it fairly useless for comp, but again, the scout is powerful, depending on how the accuracy bonus vs the damage nerf plays out, it may be a 'sniping' wep.
3. The snipers stuff is differnt, the smg isnt really useful comp, 'mini heavy' style play is generally a waste of a sniper, but it looks like alot of fun for pub, 20 shots in the clip isnt alot, shall be interesting to see how it plays. I play alot of highlander against some reasonable teams (for my country) and to be a sniper in one of these teams you need to be a freaking beast. Headshotting sticky jumping demos, h/s scouts from 1m away while they are jumping about, for eg, in my last game I watched our sniper wipe almost 1/2 the enemy team in the time it took him to reload and fire 4 times BANG 'med down' BANG 'solli down' BANG 'scout down' BANG 'demo down'. The effectiveness on the focus on this gun will be pretty dependant on if the no unscope thing changes reload times, that can be all that holds some of these guys back when they get on a roll, again, it will really depend on how it is to play with, tbh there are alot of things im unsure about in terms of that gun.
Pyro flare will depend on if you can rocket jump with it and what sort of damage bonus it gets on burning players, but tbh i think -50% damage is too much to make it more than a toy.
And yeah; THERE WILL BE MORE WEPS, THERE ALWAYS IS.
Post by: Siquo on June 27, 2012, 07:36:54 am
ok, ill bite.Thank you! But... :)
Well, you just approved three weapons. One is just a 15% health increase (and pretty useless as a weapon itself). 15% isn't that much on the class with the least health.
The three rockets... Well, it depends on how they fire. One after the other in close succession? Spread out? Can you strafe with em? A medic that gets blown away by the first arriving rocket might not be hit by the following two.
Only the sniper gun in the hands of a pro sniper is going to be pretty useful, I have to admit.
Also: the pyro thing has knockback and ignites in a radius. It's basically a pyro-rocket-launcher.
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 07:47:45 am
The bottom wep.
My community has a very good sniper. Not sure if he can do those crazy headshots.
But jarate.
Post by: Vherid on June 27, 2012, 07:48:52 am
3. The snipers stuff is differnt, the smg isnt really useful comp, 'mini heavy' style play is generally a waste of a sniper, but it looks like alot of fun for pub, 20 shots in the clip isnt alot, shall be interesting to see how it plays. I play alot of highlander against some reasonable teams (for my country) and to be a sniper in one of these teams you need to be a freaking beast. Headshotting sticky jumping demos, h/s scouts from 1m away while they are jumping about, for eg, in my last game I watched our sniper wipe almost 1/2 the enemy team in the time it took him to reload and fire 4 times BANG 'med down' BANG 'solli down' BANG 'scout down' BANG 'demo down'. The effectiveness on the focus on this gun will be pretty dependant on if the no unscope thing changes reload times, that can be all that holds some of these guys back when they get on a roll, again, it will really depend on how it is to play with, tbh there are alot of things im unsure about in terms of that gun.
I agree I didn't like the look of the SMG at all at first, it's usually better to get the croc skin on the back because that will usually save your ass against shitty snipers who get lucky, and numerous other things. But it does look amusing to play every now and then, possibly. The clip reduction is indeed the least appealing.
But snipers don't reload? I think that if you're a good sniper, it's only gonna make you faster at killing people, faster charges mean faster kills depending on the target, in a production value type of manner, it's really good. The faster you are, would amplify the effectiveness of getting faster charges, which would overall make your killing even faster. Plus you activate it, when the meter is full, you shoot someone and then it activates, staying scoped in and charging faster. This will make it nice for if there's a medic/class combo or some other group of people you want to decimate fast.
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 12:24:03 pm
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 12:34:51 pm
On an unrelated note, has anyone else have this problem where your really really good upon joining a game for about ten minutes or so but then start to kinda suck?
On a separate unrelated note, anyone have the problem where the game freezes randomly for about a second and a half?
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 12:39:06 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 27, 2012, 12:41:54 pm
My old laptop had a problem with it's graphic card, resulting in some or all textures being replaced by white and purple dots (The missing texture texture) as the game went on. My new laptop does it better though.
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 12:42:57 pm
Walking down a random hallway? Freeze and suddenly there's a pyro in my face.
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 12:49:11 pm
...The scout's shotgun is very anti-pyro. Just run backwards while blasting them in the face. You will quickly be able to outrun them.A good pyro wouldnt try to chase scouts anyway...
Try to flame and trap them with your airblast for lots of damage, else shotgun+s+m1
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 12:51:38 pm
Post by: Bordellimies on June 27, 2012, 12:53:32 pm
Feels good man
Post by: UltraValican on June 27, 2012, 12:53:45 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 12:54:14 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhOnX8qt3I , the webpage is overloaded
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 12:55:34 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on June 27, 2012, 12:56:02 pm
Post by: mattie2009 on June 27, 2012, 12:57:53 pm
Post by: Teneb on June 27, 2012, 12:58:04 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 12:58:04 pm
We are awesome.
Post by: Bordellimies on June 27, 2012, 12:58:09 pm
(http://gyazo.com/333be4c68b74a5f52984d6f409ed2108.png?1340819582)
EDIT: Not nearly as awesome as Meet The Spy. But on the other hand, 100 x more funny.
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 12:58:50 pm
Post by: Ricky on June 27, 2012, 01:01:27 pm
Post by: UltraValican on June 27, 2012, 01:01:52 pm
This was certainly worth the wait.
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 01:02:06 pm
They made the pyro look all brony-like.
Ugh, now i wont be able to play pyro ever again without "LOL BRONY!".
I'm not a brony hater, but that community should just leave me alone.
Anyway, i'm happy to be the first person to say "ITS HERE!". Feels good man.
Post by: Teneb on June 27, 2012, 01:02:52 pm
This is horrible, actually.What does bronies have anything to do with that masterpiece of a video?
They made the pyro look all brony-like.
Ugh, now i wont be able to play pyro ever again without "LOL BRONY!".
I'm not a brony hater, but that community should just leave me alone.
Anyway, i'm happy to be the first person to say "ITS HERE!". Feels good man.
I loved it, couldn't stop laughing.
Post by: Scelly9 on June 27, 2012, 01:03:29 pm
Post by: Metalax on June 27, 2012, 01:04:01 pm
Post by: jaxy15 on June 27, 2012, 01:04:28 pm
This is horrible, actually.What the fuck does it have to do with bronies? It's based on hallucinogens.
They made the pyro look all brony-like.
Ugh, now i wont be able to play pyro ever again without "LOL BRONY!".
I'm not a brony hater, but that community should just leave me alone.
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 01:05:05 pm
I'm just afraid, the pyro is my favorite class.
Post by: mattie2009 on June 27, 2012, 01:05:40 pm
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 01:06:27 pm
(Aka pyromania, the vid I saw on youtube)
Post by: Bordellimies on June 27, 2012, 01:10:02 pm
By the end of the day, we still don't know anything more about they Pyro's identity, but I did chuckle.Oh, we do. We used to speculate that he was mentally insane. Now we know for certain.
And now we know he isn't an evil man who enjoys the smell of burning flesh and the screams of anguish.
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 01:10:40 pm
Well, the last meet the team vid is here.
Thats what you call going out with a
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 01:11:31 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 01:12:32 pm
I wonder what the next vid will look like.
Post by: mattie2009 on June 27, 2012, 01:12:59 pm
Guys, I hate to break it to you, but we still don't know the gender of the pyro.
Post by: Scelly9 on June 27, 2012, 01:13:10 pm
sourcefilmmaker.com
This is gonna be fun.
Post by: Metalax on June 27, 2012, 01:13:15 pm
Post by: Ricky on June 27, 2012, 01:13:39 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 01:14:26 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on June 27, 2012, 01:15:28 pm
Here's a link to the video.
Post by: Blizzlord on June 27, 2012, 01:17:00 pm
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 01:19:31 pm
The wait is killing me :(
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2012, 01:20:37 pm
>talking about the pyro with gender labelsWell, Redscout said "HE's not here is HE?!?!?!?!"
Guys, I hate to break it to you, but we still don't know the gender of the pyro.
Post by: Teneb on June 27, 2012, 01:21:22 pm
The scout is probably just referring to the pyro as a he out of convenience.>talking about the pyro with gender labelsWell, Redscout said "HE's not here is HE?!?!?!?!"
Guys, I hate to break it to you, but we still don't know the gender of the pyro.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 27, 2012, 01:23:44 pm
And yet still no Day 3.Day 2 only appeared half an hour after the deadline. Which probably means around now.
The wait is killing me :(
I'm kinda dissapointed though, it all felt so predictable. I was expecting Valve to come up with something more surprising.
Jup, it's normal to refer to people as masculine if you don't know.The scout is probably just referring to the pyro as a he out of convenience.>talking about the pyro with gender labelsWell, Redscout said "HE's not here is HE?!?!?!?!"
Guys, I hate to break it to you, but we still don't know the gender of the pyro.
See: The internet
Post by: Siquo on June 27, 2012, 01:29:30 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 01:30:58 pm
*broaxe*
Post by: Siquo on June 27, 2012, 01:32:33 pm
Post by: mattie2009 on June 27, 2012, 01:34:59 pm
Post by: Metalax on June 27, 2012, 01:37:24 pm
http://www.adultswim.com/promos/valve/index.html (http://www.adultswim.com/promos/valve/index.html)
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 01:38:42 pm
Post by: UltraValican on June 27, 2012, 01:41:22 pm
That would make an awesome wallpaper, two pyros casually bumping their melee's into eachother, one with the mailbox and the other one using the axetinguisher.Replace the mailbox with the Sharpened Volcano Fragment.
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2012, 01:41:51 pm
That would make an awesome wallpaper, two pyros casually bumping their melee's into eachother, one with the mailbox and the other one using the axetinguisher.With the Sorce Filmmaker, now you can...
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 27, 2012, 01:46:05 pm
So bubble blower, organ flamethrower and such.
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2012, 01:46:35 pm
According to the blog, the items are delayed because they contain meet the pyro spoilers.GOD DAMN NINJA!!!!
So bubble blower, organ flamethrower and such.
Post by: UltraValican on June 27, 2012, 01:47:24 pm
According to the blog, the items are delayed because they contain meet the pyro spoilers.Bannana Gun *wink*wink*
So bubble blower, organ flamethrower and such.
Also, I NEED TO KNOW IF THE SOLDIER FOUND A HOME! :'(
Post by: Aklyon on June 27, 2012, 01:48:15 pm
Not according to ze subtitles.>talking about the pyro with gender labelsWell, Redscout said "HE's not here is HE?!?!?!?!"
Guys, I hate to break it to you, but we still don't know the gender of the pyro.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 27, 2012, 01:48:30 pm
He found one, that of the spy.According to the blog, the items are delayed because they contain meet the pyro spoilers.Bannana Gun *wink*wink*
So bubble blower, organ flamethrower and such.
Also, I NEED TO KNOW IF THE SOLDIER FOUND A HOME! :'(
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 01:51:46 pm
EDIT:
Btw, its been AGES since this thread floated so well.
its nearly a sticky.
Post by: Jabberwock on June 27, 2012, 01:53:41 pm
Post by: Blizzlord on June 27, 2012, 01:56:15 pm
Doesn't the soldier live in an apartment with Merasmus the magician?He found one, that of the spy.According to the blog, the items are delayed because they contain meet the pyro spoilers.Bannana Gun *wink*wink*
So bubble blower, organ flamethrower and such.
Also, I NEED TO KNOW IF THE SOLDIER FOUND A HOME! :'(
Post by: Metalax on June 27, 2012, 01:57:10 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/soldierhome/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/pyromania/soldierhome/)Doesn't the soldier live in an apartment with Merasmus the magician?He found one, that of the spy.According to the blog, the items are delayed because they contain meet the pyro spoilers.Bannana Gun *wink*wink*
So bubble blower, organ flamethrower and such.
Also, I NEED TO KNOW IF THE SOLDIER FOUND A HOME! :'(
not any more.
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2012, 01:57:34 pm
The Soldier's Home page is accessed via clicking the can on the bottom right of the Pyromania page...
Post by: Metalax on June 27, 2012, 01:58:29 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 02:01:15 pm
(http://content.screencast.com/users/alchemagician/folders/Jing/media/8458fd68-9def-4170-9adc-8919878c8b44/Female%20sign%20in%20Meet%20the%20Pyro.png)
So perhaps the pyro is female after all? There may have been a male sign out there somewhere, but I missed it if there was.
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 02:03:10 pm
QUICKLY, POST IT BEFORE SOMEBODY ELSE NOTICES IT.
IN THE NAME OF B12!
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 02:03:45 pm
EDIT: it can also be seen at :57 to :59
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 02:04:08 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 02:04:40 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 02:05:07 pm
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2012, 02:06:28 pm
Post by: Vherid on June 27, 2012, 02:06:57 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 02:08:08 pm
Just in time for Meet the Pyro!
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 02:08:49 pm
It gained more pages then the happy thread does in this time, and thats saying ALOT.
Post by: mattie2009 on June 27, 2012, 02:09:23 pm
Post by: Blizzlord on June 27, 2012, 02:10:24 pm
Seems that the author of that was good at walking a mile in others shoes. It actually makes sense now...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 02:11:28 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 02:12:11 pm
Post by: Bordellimies on June 27, 2012, 02:12:18 pm
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2012, 02:17:21 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/qeShg.png)Heh, you know as well as I do that the Closecaption thing for Youtube Vids are a load of rubbish...
I mean have a look at this vid...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhaR9886ijY
Post by: Oliolli on June 27, 2012, 02:23:23 pm
Post by: Sonlirain on June 27, 2012, 02:23:54 pm
Anyway.
Brony Pyro - The landscape seems to be modelled after blizzards secret "unicorn" level rather than FiM. It's WAY too pastel to be based on FiM. But then again blizzards secret level had some homages to FiM so it's not entirely unrelated.
Female Pyro - It's a running joke at this point but there are several hints that he might be female... but personally i just hear a guy under this mask.
Post by: miauw62 on June 27, 2012, 02:24:33 pm
Post by: Blizzlord on June 27, 2012, 02:26:21 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 02:26:50 pm
Heh, you know as well as I do that the Closecaption thing for Youtube Vids are a load of rubbish...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I mean have a look at this vid...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhaR9886ijY
It's not Youtube's caption thing, those are Valve's official captions.
Post by: kaenneth on June 27, 2012, 02:29:19 pm
I imagine her with a long cigarette holder. 1950's hairstyle, 'Red' lipstick, 'Blu' mascara. An expression of eternal disapproval.
Post by: BunnyBob77 on June 27, 2012, 02:33:04 pm
Now I want "Meet the Announcer"I want Meet the Mann, which would introduce Saxton Hale.
I imagine her with a long cigarette holder. 1950's hairstyle, 'Red' lipstick, 'Blu' mascara. An expression of eternal disapproval.
Post by: Aklyon on June 27, 2012, 02:34:18 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 02:37:42 pm
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://tf2wiki.net/w/images/thumb/b/b4/Theannouncer.jpg/200px-Theannouncer.jpg&imgrefurl=http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Administrator&h=258&w=200&sz=16&tbnid=2gBj0ttl8RqSrM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=70&zoom=1&usg=__ZR5GDNtv2QYsFrKnjVSoefQPZGY=&docid=43rg-59mMtavMM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NWLrT-aDHISnrQGQ34TKBQ&ved=0CFUQ9QEwAg&dur=384 (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://tf2wiki.net/w/images/thumb/b/b4/Theannouncer.jpg/200px-Theannouncer.jpg&imgrefurl=http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Administrator&h=258&w=200&sz=16&tbnid=2gBj0ttl8RqSrM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=70&zoom=1&usg=__ZR5GDNtv2QYsFrKnjVSoefQPZGY=&docid=43rg-59mMtavMM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NWLrT-aDHISnrQGQ34TKBQ&ved=0CFUQ9QEwAg&dur=384)
FAKEDIT: OH GOD THE LINK
Post by: UltraValican on June 27, 2012, 02:37:59 pm
Who actually suggest that the Pyro is a brony? It is not fandom when it is downright insanity.2 reasons
1.Because any depiction of unicorn(A concept thats existed for hundreds of years.)= MLP INVASION RUINGING MAH GAME FUCK YOU VALVE IM NOT GIVEN THAT FAT BRONY GABEN ANY MORE MONEY!!!!
2. Apparently, referencing something=liking it.
Post by: Sonlirain on June 27, 2012, 02:38:54 pm
Post by: Blizzlord on June 27, 2012, 02:50:58 pm
I never denied that it may be a reference, but I highly doubt the Pyro itself could even watch the show in its mental state.Who actually suggest that the Pyro is a brony? It is not fandom when it is downright insanity.2 reasons
1.Because any depiction of unicorn(A concept thats existed for hundreds of years.)= MLP INVASION RUINGING MAH GAME FUCK YOU VALVE IM NOT GIVEN THAT FAT BRONY GABEN ANY MORE MONEY!!!!
2. Apparently, referencing something=liking it.
Post by: kaenneth on June 27, 2012, 02:53:23 pm
Now I want "Meet the Announcer"I want Meet the Mann, which would introduce Saxton Hale.
I imagine her with a long cigarette holder. 1950's hairstyle, 'Red' lipstick, 'Blu' mascara. An expression of eternal disapproval.
Did you notice that "Saxton Hale" is an anagram of "Cave Johnson"?
Post by: Scelly9 on June 27, 2012, 02:54:21 pm
There's no x in "Cave Johnson"Now I want "Meet the Announcer"I want Meet the Mann, which would introduce Saxton Hale.
I imagine her with a long cigarette holder. 1950's hairstyle, 'Red' lipstick, 'Blu' mascara. An expression of eternal disapproval.
Did you notice that "Saxton Hale" is an anagram of "Cave Johnson"?
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 02:55:15 pm
Post by: BunnyBob77 on June 27, 2012, 03:02:04 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 27, 2012, 03:04:04 pm
Has the day two button always been broken or is that new?It works for me
Post by: UltraValican on June 27, 2012, 03:05:53 pm
I think he means the chip in the glass. It LOOKS like a broken propane gaugue.Has the day two button always been broken or is that new?It works for me
Post by: BunnyBob77 on June 27, 2012, 03:06:52 pm
Yes, that's what I mean.I think he means the chip in the glass. It LOOKS like a broken propane gaugue.Has the day two button always been broken or is that new?It works for me
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 27, 2012, 03:09:15 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 03:10:03 pm
Post by: kaenneth on June 27, 2012, 03:13:22 pm
Broken guns.
Yep, next update guns will degrade as you use them, but don't worry, repair kits will be available in the Mann Co. store.
Post by: BunnyBob77 on June 27, 2012, 03:16:43 pm
For the low, low price of 9.99!Broken guns.
Yep, next update guns will degrade as you use them, but don't worry, repair kits will be available in the Mann Co. store.
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 03:17:23 pm
$8.99.
Post by: Matz05 on June 27, 2012, 03:26:27 pm
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on June 27, 2012, 03:26:55 pm
Come on, Valve isn't that bad.When the salt starts flowing, they'll lower it to $8.95.
$8.99.
Post by: BunnyBob77 on June 27, 2012, 03:29:51 pm
Every five years they'll have an event where if you solve an ARG and destroy five hats, you can get $1 off.Come on, Valve isn't that bad.When the salt starts flowing, they'll lower it to $8.95.
$8.99.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 04:02:08 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 27, 2012, 04:09:19 pm
All right day 3, I'm ready when you are... :'(They are delaying day 3 till they update the game, as of to avoid Meet the pyro spoilers.
Post by: Blizzlord on June 27, 2012, 04:13:25 pm
Also, I'm glad I got burned.
Post by: Enzo on June 27, 2012, 04:22:31 pm
I'm hoping the "spoilers" they're including in the last day are the grenade-slot Baby Bottle misc and maybe the Windup-Pyro backpack. Nothing too-too silly. Also, hole-in-chest soldier misc.
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 04:24:21 pm
Post by: Myroc on June 27, 2012, 04:28:49 pm
Beyond that, I'm with kinseti. No candyland weapons in my retro-50s TF2.
Post by: kg333 on June 27, 2012, 04:33:17 pm
KG
Post by: GlyphGryph on June 27, 2012, 04:35:09 pm
It would be funny if the previously mentioned Rainbow Flamethrower, if implemented, only appeared as such to the user... and to everyone else it looks like a spiked, metal monstrosity straight out of some WH40K Ork encampment.This, heh. So this.
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 04:39:23 pm
Also at 0:33 and 0:41 in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ8duKs2Plw&feature=player_detailpage) video.
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 04:40:15 pm
Post by: Ricky on June 27, 2012, 04:59:44 pm
(https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/6/27/XJ5cXoD_eUuFL_kHNRPoTw2.gif)
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 05:02:13 pm
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 05:09:18 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 05:10:43 pm
I think that might be in 15 minutes. I'm in Central and bad at time zones.
Yeah. Two hours behind you is Valve's timezone.
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 05:21:55 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 05:23:02 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 05:23:23 pm
...The soldier was holding his heart. What. Did. The. Pyro. Do. Magic Land doesn't explain that.
It appeared more like his intestines. I'd say it's that new flaregun exploding.
Post by: Matz05 on June 27, 2012, 05:24:15 pm
Probably a reflected crocket.
Post by: kaenneth on June 27, 2012, 05:35:50 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 05:45:18 pm
Post by: Vherid on June 27, 2012, 06:16:37 pm
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 06:56:35 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 06:58:11 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 06:59:49 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 27, 2012, 07:05:30 pm
It is starting to turn day 4 here in Europe. Hope they release it on time.
Also, I'm glad I got burned.
Think of all the things (about the pyro) we learned!
Post by: Aklyon on June 27, 2012, 07:07:36 pm
But people already thought the pyro was crazy/on drugs.It is starting to turn day 4 here in Europe. Hope they release it on time.
Also, I'm glad I got burned.
Think of all the things (about the pyro) we learned!
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 07:31:35 pm
Post by: Metalax on June 27, 2012, 07:32:34 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on June 27, 2012, 07:33:02 pm
It has come and it is glorious.Indeed. In. Deed.
Post by: Orangebottle on June 27, 2012, 07:35:28 pm
Post by: Metalax on June 27, 2012, 07:36:27 pm
Post by: TherosPherae on June 27, 2012, 07:41:41 pm
Well, I did manage to get one shot in at crafting the new Pyro melee weapon. I got a Maul instead.
Oh the irony, it burns.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 07:44:59 pm
Post by: Enzo on June 27, 2012, 07:46:02 pm
The Demo looks utterly horrified to be seeing this.
Him and me both.
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 07:46:57 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 27, 2012, 07:50:34 pm
Did the game actually update yet?Signs point to no
Post by: Metalax on June 27, 2012, 07:52:08 pm
Did the game actually update yet?
Doesn't look like it. Item servers are down which suggests the update might be on it's way out but it could just be from too many people falsestarting for crafting the new items.
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 07:52:54 pm
Post by: TherosPherae on June 27, 2012, 07:54:09 pm
And of course Valve's crafting and item servers aren't capable of handling the load.
Well, I did manage to get one shot in at crafting the new Pyro melee weapon. I got a Maul instead.
Oh the irony, it burns.
Did the game actually update yet?.....dammit.
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 08:11:53 pm
Post by: BunnyBob77 on June 27, 2012, 08:23:52 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 08:35:44 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 08:36:24 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 08:36:57 pm
Post by: Teneb on June 27, 2012, 08:39:33 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 08:40:29 pm
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2012, 08:41:54 pm
Post by: Teneb on June 27, 2012, 08:43:02 pm
They're down for everyone, they're in the process of updating, I do believe.Your previous post gave me the impression that you were able to access item server. Still can't wait to get some of those weapons.
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 08:44:04 pm
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2012, 08:46:12 pm
I do say, that sniper rifle is for people who headshot. Bodyshots reduce the damage by 20%.I know that, but at least I have a higher chance of getting more kills due to the Focus ability. While I may not get alot of headshots and mainly body shots, being able to continue firing without unscoping helps...
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 08:48:27 pm
They're down for everyone, they're in the process of updating, I do believe.Your previous post gave me the impression that you were able to access item server. Still can't wait to get some of those weapons.
I meant to craft a hat.
Now is the best time to craft hats, because there are new ones.
Post by: kaenneth on June 27, 2012, 08:48:36 pm
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 08:49:20 pm
The fuck?
Post by: Nilocy on June 27, 2012, 08:50:00 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on June 27, 2012, 08:50:04 pm
Oh the irony, it burns.Burnssssss...
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 08:52:44 pm
Up for me and I just got a vintage and 2 regular equalizers names as 'The Escape Plan'.
The fuck?
Look at the patch notes. The Equalizer has been split into two items: The Equalizer, which has increased damage as you lose health, and the Escape Plan, which has increased speed as you lose health.
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 08:53:40 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 08:54:04 pm
Edit: God damnit, they ruined a bunch of guns. Tomislav is useless.
Edit Edit: And made a lot of stuff better. Crusader's Crossbow is looking nice.
Post by: Teneb on June 27, 2012, 09:02:04 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 09:02:35 pm
Post by: Teneb on June 27, 2012, 09:03:27 pm
No, backburner's identical. The only flamethrower that got a nerf is the phlog (YES!) and the only one that got a buff is the default (YES!)No, the backburner now deals the same damage as the others. It got nerfed when compared to other flamethrowers.
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 09:04:52 pm
All those trash items were useful.
Post by: Techhead on June 27, 2012, 09:27:40 pm
I am disappointed at the lack of new pyro weapons compared to other classes.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 27, 2012, 09:28:30 pm
Degreaser also got a nerf. Afterburn and regular damage are decreased. In comparison.
So it didn't actually get a nerf then. It just didn't receive the +10% damage that the flamethrower and phlog got.
Most of the balance changes I can get behind. The Quick-Fix is going to see a lot more use in CTF, since rocket-jumping soldiers and demomen can bring a medic with them deep into the enemy base. Sure, the uber-charge sucks, but you can't complain with a regular source of healing. The Sticky-Jumper and Quickfix could be a deadly combination, since it's a quick work-around to the fact that the Sticky-Jumper prevents you from carrying the intelligence. The medic can carry it around, and still be able to heal you and thus sticky-jump back to base.
EDIT: Also, all of those mysterious items? They're now reduced to ash. Craftable ash. Crafting four (4) ashes together makes one huge pile of ashes that you can use to get one of the new weapons from the update, and a burning crate. However, all of these ashes (along with the crates) will disappear after July 11th or something like that.
EDIT3: The Baby Face's Blaster is better than I thought. The boost seems to have no time limit, and is based off of how filled up the boost bar is, not on whether it's full or it. You lose it when you jump, but until then you'll be speeding around like a bullet. Plus with the increased accuracy, it's a snap getting boost. Using the pistol gets you boost as well.
Post by: cameron on June 27, 2012, 09:57:38 pm
Initial impressions are
The flare gun thing seems pretty bad, though it might be fun on maps with drops or hazards or maybe it works better when people are using ubers.
The scout pistol didn't really feel that different as I still died pretty fast under fire and even with the slower firing speed it still worked fine for harassing as well as for just gunning unsuspecting people down and finishing.
The new scatter-gun played the most uniquely, how it works is that by doing damage it fills a bar, as the bar fills you run faster, this seems to be a gradual process. Jumping seems to be the only thing which resets the bar, and I found that one good meat-shot will pretty much fill the bar up. The huge decrease in speed after jumping did put a damper in things but it might be balanced against the increased speed in some situations. The decreased spread and damage didn't seem to make a huge difference though it did make partial hits seem a fair bit weaker.
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 10:09:15 pm
Post by: Vherid on June 27, 2012, 10:16:09 pm
Post by: Dermonster on June 27, 2012, 10:20:23 pm
My poverty prevents me from buying keys :(
Post by: The Scout on June 27, 2012, 10:29:17 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on June 27, 2012, 10:38:10 pm
This wrecks any kind of aim you could have with the weapon and makes pyro reflecting laughably easy.
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2012, 10:41:39 pm
Got the captain's cocktails, and fed-fightin fedora out of the burnt crates, nifty. My friend got a strange rainbowblower.His name better not be Catalyst. Cause if so, I just watched him uncrate the damn thing...
ALSO, the new Taunt for the Rainblower kills through doors...
Post by: Ricky on June 27, 2012, 10:41:52 pm
Post by: Neyvn on June 27, 2012, 10:42:53 pm
So it looks like the equalizer has been nerfed in an odd way. there's now two pickaxes, one which one boosts speed, and one that only boosts damage. hm.Seems they gave me a Strange Damage Boosting Equalizer...
Post by: Putnam on June 27, 2012, 10:43:21 pm
Post by: Rose on June 27, 2012, 10:59:58 pm
Post by: Astral on June 27, 2012, 11:34:32 pm
Really guys, a true pyro player doesn't need the goggles for pyro vision.Well, duh. The goggles do nothing anyway.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on June 27, 2012, 11:34:45 pm
Really guys, a true pyro player doesn't need the goggles for pyro vision.
Heh, if I was Valve, I would have made pyrovision the default for the pyro, at least until the 5th of July, and equipping the pyrovision goggles brings them down to regular.
Post by: Enzo on June 27, 2012, 11:46:12 pm
Really guys, a true pyro player doesn't need the goggles for pyro vision.Well, duh. The goggles do nothing anyway.
I see what you did there.
Post by: mainiac on June 27, 2012, 11:55:01 pm
Post by: Keltiknight on June 28, 2012, 01:07:27 am
Post by: mainiac on June 28, 2012, 01:09:48 am
Post by: Orangebottle on June 28, 2012, 01:33:51 am
No you don't. You need to put your goggles on first.Really guys, a true pyro player doesn't need the goggles for pyro vision.Well, duh. The goggles do nothing anyway.
I see what you did there.
The new rocket launcher does serve a purpose, it's pretty darn effective at taking out level 3 sentries. Especially if used in pairs it can deal damage in such rapid secession that it's hard to repair and/or keep from dying.Actually, it's horrible at rocket-sniping sentries. The spread is too large. If you're right up next to the thing it might make a difference. The new rocket launcher is most useful at close range, because the spread won't matter and the spammed rockets will do a load of damage.
In other news, I'm loving the hitman's heatmaker. I find that I'm a lot better at sniping with it, for some odd reason. The focus bonus kicks ass for anyone, bodyshotters included.
Post by: mainiac on June 28, 2012, 02:17:20 am
Post by: LASD on June 28, 2012, 02:41:53 am
So, I decided to play pyro, and I found that all of my kills are now being attributed to my brain slug with me as an assist. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZrtwvRNss4)Oh man, that's amazing! And that will definitely work with a name tag too. Wonder what happens with non-solo kills, though.
Post by: jaxy15 on June 28, 2012, 02:56:11 am
So, I decided to play pyro, and I found that all of my kills are now being attributed to my brain slug with me as an assist. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZrtwvRNss4)I'm pretty sure I saw the same with an alien swarm parasite.
EDIT: Yep, it does the same with the alien swarm parasite.
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 28, 2012, 04:10:07 am
Fuck it, game over, everyone go home. Valve has irreparably broken the game.
I loved that cheesy OP gun. I almost feel like crying.
Post by: miauw62 on June 28, 2012, 04:12:32 am
I can die in peace now.
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2012, 04:29:02 am
Post by: Enzo on June 28, 2012, 04:35:41 am
They nerfed the sticky jumper? THEY NERFED THE STICKY JUMPER?
Wait what did they do. I thought they just changed the sound effect? I haven't tried it yet.
Post by: Duuvian on June 28, 2012, 04:51:27 am
EDIT: I'll re-read the last 5 or 10 pages again if I have to but I've missed what I saw the first time I went through twice now.
Post by: Blizzlord on June 28, 2012, 04:59:41 am
So, since there has been a postsplosion in this thread; and I read it here and can't find it after a few tries... what's the process to utilizing the ash? I checked the TF2 wiki but I might have done it wrong. Send me a pm if it negatively effects your mannconomy plot to have the general public know about it and I won't post it here if you don't want me to; or else I risk my ever so valuable forums honor.You craft 4 of them into a crate.
EDIT: I'll re-read the last 5 or 10 pages again if I have to but I've missed what I saw the first time I went through twice now.
Post by: Metalax on June 28, 2012, 05:01:44 am
Post by: Duuvian on June 28, 2012, 05:04:01 am
So, since there has been a postsplosion in this thread; and I read it here and can't find it after a few tries... what's the process to utilizing the ash? I checked the TF2 wiki but I might have done it wrong. Send me a pm if it negatively effects your mannconomy plot to have the general public know about it and I won't post it here if you don't want me to; or else I risk my ever so valuable forums honor.You craft 4 of them into a crate.
EDIT: I'll re-read the last 5 or 10 pages again if I have to but I've missed what I saw the first time I went through twice now.
Ahh, alright I knew that and have done that. You mean the pile of ash is a crate; or I need 3 more of those pile of ash combines after I've already combined the the first 4?
The charred items can be crafted together 4 at a time on the last tab of the craft screen. the pile of ash produced is then used and produces a scorched crate, an item from this update or an item + crate.
Hey Metalax, thanks! I have a Pile of Ash. How do I make that into a crate for instance?
EDIT: I have a feeling I'm being dumb and don't know how to use TF2 items. I shall figure it out. Thanks for what info you've given me already as it's probably all I need.
EDIT2: Click da button
Yep, I was being dumb, thanks again
Post by: miauw62 on June 28, 2012, 06:33:22 am
Post by: Duuvian on June 28, 2012, 07:11:36 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on June 28, 2012, 07:31:07 am
They nerfed the sticky jumper? THEY NERFED THE STICKY JUMPER?
Wait what did they do. I thought they just changed the sound effect? I haven't tried it yet.
You can't pick up the Intelligence whilst using it. To be entirely serious, it's fair enough; any reasonably good player could fly across most maps, grab the intel and fly back in literally two minutes and if you're rolling with a few people with the same loadout who work well together there's not a lot the other team can do.
To be entirely less serious fuck them and their big fat stupid game designer faces.
e: man, I haven't played the game in a while. They actually nerfed it way back on the 31st of last month, so there you go. I'm still frothing violently at the mouth.
Post by: miauw62 on June 28, 2012, 07:51:15 am
Post by: Sonlirain on June 28, 2012, 07:51:32 am
And of course the crate needs a key right?
Oh valve you effing troll.
Post by: Siquo on June 28, 2012, 07:54:19 am
quick-fix medics can rocket/stick-jump along with their healing targets now, so you could simply take a quick-fix medic with you.This is going to be so OP.
However, it also means that if you time it right, you can make a medic fall off the map while staying alive. Trolling medics... yeah! 8)
Post by: jaxy15 on June 28, 2012, 08:00:06 am
Post by: Duuvian on June 28, 2012, 08:16:33 am
So wait... you use the roasted items that drop... and make a crate out of them?
And of course the crate needs a key right?
Oh valve you effing troll.
I think you can make one of the new weapons out of it too.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on June 28, 2012, 08:26:39 am
And due to my foresight, I was able to craft all the new equipment. Hurah!
Post by: miauw62 on June 28, 2012, 08:44:17 am
EDIT:
Btw, anybody already in the SFM beta?
Post by: Blizzlord on June 28, 2012, 09:58:32 am
Post by: Carcanken on June 28, 2012, 12:04:18 pm
I tried going to another server, and another, but that didnt fix anything.
Post by: Rose on June 28, 2012, 12:42:45 pm
Post by: Mongol13524 on June 28, 2012, 01:15:59 pm
Post by: Descan on June 28, 2012, 02:13:13 pm
Post by: Carcanken on June 28, 2012, 02:30:38 pm
Post by: jaxy15 on June 28, 2012, 02:43:23 pm
Speaking of scorched crates, how do i make one? ;)When you find an item that is NOT a crate, you will also find a burned item, like a burned cheese wheel or banana peel. Craft 4 of any burned item together and you get a pile of ash. Use the pile of ash and you get a scorched crate.
Post by: Knirisk on June 28, 2012, 02:55:05 pm
Post by: Dermonster on June 28, 2012, 02:55:05 pm
I got a crate and the sniper.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 28, 2012, 03:07:15 pm
I'm... actually okay with the "nerfs". Too bad about the degreaser, though, but everyone and their cousin was using it (which is usually a sign that it needed to be nerfed).
Actually if you read the release notes you'll realize that the Degreaser hasn't changed at all. The pyro's original flamethrower got buffed by 10% this update, but not the Degreaser. The only thing that has been changed about it is the text that says -10% damage.
They nerfed the backburner.
I can die in peace now.
I'd keep on living if I was you. The Backburner hasn't been touched either.
Post by: Matz05 on June 28, 2012, 04:02:27 pm
0 is evening out, - is nerf, + is buff.
Edit... something's wrong with that logic I think... never mind
Post by: Enzo on June 28, 2012, 04:28:01 pm
IT'S SIMPLE.
Also, someone sell me that new Spy shirt. Anyone. I needs it.
Post by: Sonlirain on June 28, 2012, 05:13:27 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on June 28, 2012, 07:45:32 pm
Post by: Orangebottle on June 28, 2012, 07:51:36 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on June 28, 2012, 08:00:20 pm
Pyros got an entire additional fantasy land. I'd hardly call that a nerf.I want to play in PyroVision.
Post by: Vherid on June 28, 2012, 08:13:18 pm
So yesterday I had gotten the spy pimp hat, the soldier's cocktail cans, scout fed fightin fedora, made my hitman rifle which took forever trying to get a bazaar off a friend, and i needed one bushwacka from a friend to make the carbine. About to get the last bushwacka, and my electrical company cuts my power in the middle of trade. I wasn't happy.
I get on today, first thing I unlock, is a bazaar, which took forever to get yesterday but now I didn't need, so now the game was trolling me, fantastic. I opened a crate and got a engineer plan tube, didn't like, crafted it and heavy knot head piece into a pyro reindeer head. Didn't like that either, so I crafted that and my proof of purchase and I got that pyro firefighters helm, awesome. I craft the new scout shotty, nice. I get in the game again, I randomly get a hitman rifle, of course, more trolling, but then I got enough ash to make an ash pile. So I open the ashpile, I get a scorched shot AS WELL as a crate. Happy day. Item servers finally working I made my carbine. I open up the crate, got a strange rainblower, I also randomly found a teddy rosebelt. I was already shitting my pants at the luck I was getting today. Item servers go down and small patch is applied, and guess what I also get.
I got dat source filmmaker beta.
Pants were shit beyond belief.
Best night in a long time.
Post by: The Scout on June 28, 2012, 08:18:14 pm
I got dat source filmmaker beta.Jealous. Jealous beyond belief.
Post by: Orangebottle on June 28, 2012, 10:02:00 pm
First off, I spycrabbed(basically, gambling in tf2 using the chance of doing the spycrab taunt instead of the normal cigarette taunt)for hats, and won twice, swiping two hats.
Then, as I disconnected from the server i was on, I found the Hat with No Name.
Also, my robot chicken hat came in today.
No you don't. You need to put your goggles on first.Really guys, a true pyro player doesn't need the goggles for pyro vision.Well, duh. The goggles do nothing anyway.
I see what you did there.
The new rocket launcher does serve a purpose, it's pretty darn effective at taking out level 3 sentries. Especially if used in pairs it can deal damage in such rapid secession that it's hard to repair and/or keep from dying.Actually, it's horrible at rocket-sniping sentries. The spread is too large. If you're right up next to the thing it might make a difference. The new rocket launcher is most useful at close range, because the spread won't matter and the spammed rockets will do a load of damage.
In other news, I'm loving the hitman's heatmaker. I find that I'm a lot better at sniping with it, for some odd reason. The focus bonus kicks ass for anyone, bodyshotters included.
Post by: Elu on June 30, 2012, 12:43:22 pm
The new rocket launcher does serve a purpose, it's pretty darn effective at taking out level 3 sentries. Especially if used in pairs it can deal damage in such rapid secession that it's hard to repair and/or keep from dying.Actually, it's horrible at rocket-sniping sentries. The spread is too large. If you're right up next to the thing it might make a difference. The new rocket launcher is most useful at close range, because the spread won't matter and the spammed rockets will do a load of damage.
In other news, I'm loving the hitman's heatmaker. I find that I'm a lot better at sniping with it, for some odd reason. The focus bonus kicks ass for anyone, bodyshotters included.
The new rocket launcher is more of a rocket shotgun... in close quarters like tunnels it's "let's see if there's something behind this cor-"
"peekaBOOM!" whole zone cleared. If the enemy have some more to maneuver however, the spread is really crippling... but hey, that's why your DH buddy is here right?
As for the "headroller", I too noticed i get far more headshots, some strange kind of placebo effect? :P
And the focus is both awesome and annoying. Awesome because if you manage to hit consistently you can remain in focus for indefinite time, annoying because as soon as i activate it my position is swarmed with missile(damn tracers)...
Other weapons i tried is the scout pistol(can't see the bonus, but i don't play scout) and the rainblower, which gave me only a nice taunt and bleeding eyes...
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 01, 2012, 12:40:49 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on July 01, 2012, 01:32:36 am
Reloading all the damn time is the least fun part about playing as a Soldier, and dying in one hit is the least fun part about fighting one. Let’s not exacerbate either. (http://www.pentadact.com/2008-05-31-team-fortress-2-unlockable-ideas/)
Considering that link is from 2008, it's impressive how many of his ideas were implemented in one form or the other...
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 01, 2012, 01:49:57 am
Post by: Putnam on July 01, 2012, 01:52:21 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 02, 2012, 02:49:57 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 02, 2012, 03:05:39 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 02, 2012, 12:40:14 pm
They nerfed the backburner.
I can die in peace now.
I'd keep on living if I was you. The Backburner hasn't been touched either.
yeah, but now i wont die if i get w+m1'd by a random f2p-just-played-1-day-pyro (when playing as pyro myself).
PLUS, they will do less w+m1 because they dont have the psychological effect of the +10% damage anymore.
Post by: Orangebottle on July 02, 2012, 12:55:51 pm
So this showed up on the steam forums... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz_dj4u6pGA)Oh god, scout.
I died of laughter when he hit the bullet out of heavy's hand.
Post by: Dermonster on July 02, 2012, 01:01:43 pm
Explanation?
Post by: miauw62 on July 02, 2012, 01:04:51 pm
I never really got the stigmata against F2P people.
Explanation?
Meh, many of them use overpowered weapons, or are just very bad players in general. (dont talk, dont listen to teammates, do things absolutely wrong...)
Note my use of many, not all of them are bad.
Tough voicechat is pretty good in influencing people.
EDIT:
Btw, in that 2008 post, he forgot that the grenade launcher has a very long reload. And that every class has 3 weapons.
Post by: Dermonster on July 02, 2012, 01:15:42 pm
(EX: Paid to play)
Post by: Putnam on July 02, 2012, 01:18:46 pm
Post by: Blizzlord on July 02, 2012, 02:00:47 pm
Also, F2P's don't get hats. Nobody likes the "poor and Irish."
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 02, 2012, 02:17:30 pm
My buddy just finished a 72 hour mapping contest. (http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=19585)
And lots of gems (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YrrAroK6bI&list=UUNk_MNVZ628tyWmi6uP55dg&index=1&feature=plcp) being produced by (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K0eWy2XAJq0) the source filmmaker. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DW7D6r1S6W8)
Post by: DJ on July 02, 2012, 05:08:25 pm
Also, F2P's don't get hats. Nobody likes the "poor and Irish."Don't be like that man, I have a ghastly gibus :'(
Post by: Putnam on July 02, 2012, 05:10:16 pm
Post by: Strangething on July 02, 2012, 08:17:46 pm
The gibus, alien swarm parasite and pyrovision goggles all count as -1 hats each until you get a real one :P
Don't forget the Spiral Sallet. I guess we can add the Robot Chicken hat to the list, too.
Post by: Enzo on July 02, 2012, 08:22:17 pm
1) I never see people wearing it.
2) It's actually pretty cool looking.
Gibus's (Gibi?) are like wearing a shirt that says "it's my first day", though.
Post by: The Scout on July 02, 2012, 08:54:44 pm
Post by: Duuvian on July 02, 2012, 09:36:10 pm
I wear it sometimes. Causes many people to rage when I turn out to be competent.
Also I like tophats. I'd wear one once in a rare while at a formal occasion if I feel I've earned it.
Post by: Orangebottle on July 03, 2012, 12:20:26 am
Post by: Putnam on July 03, 2012, 12:22:28 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 03, 2012, 01:59:31 am
AKA, its like a gibus²
But i dont wear it, i dont really like it.
Gibus's (Gibi?) are like wearing a shirt that says "it's my first day", though.
Also, this.
Post by: Siquo on July 03, 2012, 04:16:19 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 03, 2012, 04:38:38 am
The extreme commonness really makes it look like you're a noob if you wear it tough (and that sucks, else it would be a pretty nice hat)
Post by: The Scout on July 03, 2012, 04:43:51 am
Thats just subjective, if you like it, fine, but i dont.Just makes everyone easy kills.
The extreme commonness really makes it look like you're a noob if you wear it tough (and that sucks, else it would be a pretty nice hat)
Also, Beggar's Bazooka, you say? King of the Hill, you say? Buff Banner, you say? Hide in your spawn. Same with Kritz medics.
Post by: miauw62 on July 03, 2012, 05:04:11 am
S + M2 = <3
Post by: The Scout on July 03, 2012, 05:55:08 am
Horde mode map. Hard as fuck. I've only made it three minutes without any buffs as soldier, and that's because I mostly avoided them.
Post by: Siquo on July 03, 2012, 10:11:32 am
makes it look like you're a noob if you wear it tough (and that sucks, else it would be a pretty nice hat)That is an added bonus. Nothing like imagining their faces if they get their asses kicked/stabbed/clubbed/mauled/burned by a "noob" :)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 03, 2012, 10:16:23 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 03, 2012, 10:51:28 am
(class-specific hat or australium gold mann co cap)
Post by: Metalax on July 03, 2012, 07:35:43 pm
Post by: Strangething on July 03, 2012, 07:41:29 pm
Post by: Dermonster on July 03, 2012, 07:46:14 pm
Mine is Engineer with 107, and I have no idea how that happened.
Post by: The Scout on July 03, 2012, 07:48:02 pm
44 as demoman, with 44 kills.
Post by: Putnam on July 03, 2012, 07:53:36 pm
(Spy is undoubtably the most reliant class on map design due to the constant need that spies have for ammo)
Post by: Descan on July 03, 2012, 07:57:45 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on July 03, 2012, 08:15:41 pm
Pyro was thanks in large part to a pocket medic. Luck of the draw gave me a pretty lacklustre team on the pub that time, so I was making a lot of pushes to try and stave off the inevitable. A skilled medic joined then, took one luck at me as the only player with any points, and pocketed me. We promptly went on an out and out rampage and managed to roll the entire enemy team several times over. Also <3 random crits.
Heavy was a magic round on the 3rd stage of Dustbowl, way back when. Equal parts a good floating team medic, well placed dispensers, and people forgetting to look in the little health room above the windy corridor between the first and last cap.
Post by: The Scout on July 03, 2012, 08:18:04 pm
775 kills on my Strange Stickybomb Launcher. Named the Sticky Situation.
Post by: Teneb on July 03, 2012, 09:43:44 pm
Post by: TherosPherae on July 03, 2012, 10:14:46 pm
Quick question, whats your class with your highest point count?Demoman with 183.
I blame trade servers.
Post by: miauw62 on July 04, 2012, 02:46:08 am
Quick question, whats your class with your highest point count? (That bar you see tyo the left on some loading screens.)
A scout with 76.
On the left side it says that that came from 47 CAPTURES. Wich is really, really weird.
And its probaly on a legit server, as i never go in achievement servers, and trade servers dont have capturable points (not that i visit them regularly)
Post by: Osmosis Jones on July 04, 2012, 03:15:02 am
A scout with 76.
On the left side it says that that came from 47 CAPTURES. Wich is really, really weird.
And its probaly on a legit server, as i never go in achievement servers, and trade servers dont have capturable points (not that i visit them regularly)
So... either endless 2fort, or a long payload race?
Post by: miauw62 on July 04, 2012, 03:16:29 am
The i dont know is the most important part there tough, since i have not a single idea how it happened.
Also, on an endless 2fort, i would probably have been raped by sentries 1001 times before i even got CLOSE to 47 captures.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on July 04, 2012, 03:30:59 am
I dont know, a capture counts when you pass a point, and i nearly never play custom maps.
The i dont know is the most important part there tough, since i have not a single idea how it happened.
Also, on an endless 2fort, i would probably have been raped by sentries 1001 times before i even got CLOSE to 47 captures.
Captures tick over every 10s of pushing the cart, not just when you hit a point. (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Score)
As for the 2fort, I dunno, maybe you played on a nooby server :P
Post by: miauw62 on July 04, 2012, 03:43:14 am
Post by: LASD on July 04, 2012, 03:48:20 am
Quick question, whats your class with your highest point count? (That bar you see tyo the left on some loading screens.)
Mine is Engineer with 107, and I have no idea how that happened.
Best is 51 on Spy, soon after they implemented the "Start playing now"-button, which seemed to translate to "Please put me in a game with lots of new players". I finally felt like a real Spy, invisible and invincible.
I also have 48 or so on Heavy by pushing the cart almost all the way from start to finish on Badwater and killing everything that tried to stop the progress. This was on a "real" server.
For the longest time my best score on Scout was like 15 points even though it's my most played class. I guess I played a bit too aggressive.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 04, 2012, 05:10:25 am
Also in the news:
Does the Third Degree (Pyro Axe) have ANY downsides compared to the basic axe?
Post by: Metalax on July 04, 2012, 05:20:13 am
Post by: DJ on July 04, 2012, 05:54:21 am
Anyway, I've noticed some fairly experienced players (they have hats and everything) are using the vanilla sticky launcher. Am I missing something here? Because to me Scottish Resistance looks like a straight upgrade.
Post by: Siquo on July 04, 2012, 06:21:05 am
Anyway, I've noticed some fairly experienced players (they have hats and everything) are using the vanilla sticky launcher. Am I missing something here? Because to me Scottish Resistance looks like a straight upgrade.Nope, SR stickies take a bit longer to "arm", and being able to detonate without having to look at the sticky can be handy as well. I'm switching between both atm, and SR does require a slightly different playstyle.
Post by: Mongol13524 on July 04, 2012, 06:48:46 am
Anyway, I've noticed some fairly experienced players (they have hats and everything) are using the vanilla sticky launcher. Am I missing something here? Because to me Scottish Resistance looks like a straight upgrade.Are you joking?
Post by: Sonlirain on July 04, 2012, 06:52:44 am
However it fails in a direct firefight due to the longer arm time, and having to look at the stickies to detonate them can cause additional delay that might be the differeence between blowing up a scout and not hitting anything with them.
Then again you still have the grenade launcher.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 04, 2012, 07:30:51 am
One hilarious use for it that I've found however is on the eternal trollfest that is 2fort. If your team isn't defending the intel very well, wait till your team caps and plant a crit sticky on the intel (or just use a bunch of stickies), so it clips into the case and is hidden from sight. Next, when you hear someone pickup your intel, very quickly spin around and blow that sucker to hell. That said, even in this situation the vanilla launcher is better because you don't need to look at the stickies to do it. It leaves you without a sticky launcher but hell, it's 2fort, you were never going to do anything constructive with it anyway.
Post by: DJ on July 04, 2012, 09:34:02 am
Post by: Orb on July 04, 2012, 11:42:49 am
Also, the sticky launcher is a guaranteed kill. For me, hitting someone with the grenade launcher is quite difficult.
Post by: Blizzlord on July 04, 2012, 12:19:30 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 04, 2012, 12:37:05 pm
To be fair, only one of these uses the new filmmaker.
Post by: The Scout on July 04, 2012, 12:47:19 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 05, 2012, 01:15:26 am
More (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KZouYNu3Z6k)videos! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1D8HxerLOYA)
To be fair, only one of these uses the new filmmaker.
The second one should be animated, though.
Post by: Siquo on July 05, 2012, 02:56:01 am
Yeah, I use the Stickybomb Launcher as an airburst grenade too. Pretty damn effective.It can indeed be used like a flak cannon, for those high-up airborne targets. The SR's arming time is too long to be able to do that.
Post by: miauw62 on July 05, 2012, 03:12:31 am
I used to use it, but somehow the normal sticky launcher feels much more... natural.
The only underpowered default weapon is the pyro's fire axe, but thats because a flamethrower does more damage in a shorter period on the same range.
Post by: The Scout on July 05, 2012, 03:27:19 am
Post by: Duuvian on July 05, 2012, 04:34:16 am
If the enemy causes me to explode my stickies in a certain spot, I re-do those stickies until I have 14 unless I'm being shot at. The grenade launcher is much better for those situations when you are under fire. Direct hits from grenades are really strong and four can kill an unwary Heavy, and you can bounce them into cover for slightly less damage. Crit grenades are great in either situation. Once you've got the arc down you can hit consistently where you want them to go as far as they will go, if not the enemy standing there, who would have time to dodge if they are aware of the incoming.
I also like to do rolling explosions by starting on the right or left and moving over a line of SR stickies while detonating if there is a crowd on my stickies. It's as if the soon to be bits enemy are being pursued by explosions.
I enjoy launching stickies almost but not quite straight up so they rain down slightly in front of me. It's useful for landing them on a platform above you from a spot where the occupants can't shoot you without peeking over the edge to catch a grenade in the face while you detonate. If they don't peek over then you can launch a grenade up there after the stickies and detonate with the grenade. That's not really restricted to the SR though.
Then there is being able to remove level 3 sentries and any engineer henchman repairing them with only three or four stickies. The above tactic is a favorite for this. An engineer that can remove the stickies fast enough while I arc them from behind cover is a rare breed. Usually they rush me and sacrifice their sentry if they notice the stickies. It's worth it to me to have my demo die to the engi's shotgun if I can take out the sentry for my team; and the engi might eat a couple grenades so it's not guaranteed to kill me anyways. This ability in itself makes up for lacking air detonations when I go on offense in my opinion. Against other classes I tend to have to advance more slowly than the basic sticky launcher due to having to prep my 14 stickies to draw enemies back into, blowing those enemies up before I advance a bit more while setting up more stickies slightly ahead of my position. If someone interrupts I fall back and try to draw them over my existing stickies while launching grenades at them and ducking around a corner to reload or to bumrush with a melee weapon.
Spoiler: Demo Melee (click to show/hide)
In other words, balance.
Post by: Blizzlord on July 05, 2012, 05:28:40 am
The only underpowered default weapon is the pyro's fire axe, but thats because a flamethrower does more damage in a shorter period on the same range.It is not the only one. You forgot how the bonesaw has 2(!) direct upgrades. The amputator and the solemn vow.
Post by: Duuvian on July 05, 2012, 05:32:43 am
Fire Axe could use something too. Maybe a speed debuff for lack of imagination? That way a pyro could smack someone with it and switch to the flamethrower; like a reverse Axtinguisher.
Best would be if the above only applies to legshots, hehe. Maybe in TF2's instance legchops.
Legshots is how an old classic FPS I used to play, Legends of Might and Magic, handled it. You could shoot someone in the legs with any of the ranged weapons and they would have a speed debuff applied to them for a second or two in exchange for having taken less damage for the legshot.
The trouble would be having melee that targets the leg. Maybe the bonesaw and fireaxe could have secondary fires for that since I don't think it would interfere with them like it would with a demoman's stickies. I'd make the duration a bit longer for legchops than two seconds but not unreasonable, maybe long enough for a medic to escape around corners as I mentioned. Maybe 5-10 seconds for bonesaw and up to 5 seconds for the fireaxe.
Post by: miauw62 on July 05, 2012, 05:46:13 am
Cut off feet etc.
But i think its a little gimmick-y for default weapons.
Post by: Duuvian on July 05, 2012, 05:55:18 am
EDIT: Hehe, it's probably too much work as all the classes would have to have a one leg hopping animation.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 05, 2012, 05:59:07 am
Post by: Sonlirain on July 05, 2012, 06:15:10 am
Then again i like my +1 health regen from the amputator and crossbow.
And i really like the crossbow... if only headshots with it would crit...
Post by: Blargityblarg on July 05, 2012, 07:32:27 am
The only underpowered default weapon is the pyro's fire axe, but thats because a flamethrower does more damage in a shorter period on the same range.It is not the only one. You forgot how the bonesaw has 2(!) direct upgrades. The amputator and the solemn vow.
I'm not sure about the crit rate thing (I've never seen anything referencing it) but technically, the amputator trades a lethal taunt for a healtaunt, and the solemn vow trades a lethal taunt for seeing enemy health; It's still not a hard decision, but it isn't an absolute given.
Post by: Cecilff2 on July 05, 2012, 09:35:58 am
The only underpowered default weapon is the pyro's fire axe, but thats because a flamethrower does more damage in a shorter period on the same range.It is not the only one. You forgot how the bonesaw has 2(!) direct upgrades. The amputator and the solemn vow.
I'm not sure about the crit rate thing (I've never seen anything referencing it) but technically, the amputator trades a lethal taunt for a healtaunt, and the solemn vow trades a lethal taunt for seeing enemy health; It's still not a hard decision, but it isn't an absolute given.
Ubersaw has lethal taunt. Not bonesaw.
Post by: Descan on July 05, 2012, 12:15:50 pm
It's funny. My two best classes are spy and heavy.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 05, 2012, 04:38:26 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I laugh at some people.
Post by: The Scout on July 06, 2012, 04:36:35 am
Also, pyro can't wear glasses.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I do believe my game looks a bit better then you guys. What are your graphic settings?
Post by: Blargityblarg on July 06, 2012, 09:43:33 am
The only underpowered default weapon is the pyro's fire axe, but thats because a flamethrower does more damage in a shorter period on the same range.It is not the only one. You forgot how the bonesaw has 2(!) direct upgrades. The amputator and the solemn vow.
I'm not sure about the crit rate thing (I've never seen anything referencing it) but technically, the amputator trades a lethal taunt for a healtaunt, and the solemn vow trades a lethal taunt for seeing enemy health; It's still not a hard decision, but it isn't an absolute given.
Ubersaw has lethal taunt. Not bonesaw.
My mistake.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on July 06, 2012, 01:14:43 pm
Is that ingame or SFM?It's ingame technically. I went into the replay editor, then turned off the HUD in the console and took a screenshot like that. It's a good way to get pictures of Unusuals.
Post by: mattie2009 on July 06, 2012, 05:05:41 pm
Post by: jester on July 06, 2012, 06:25:55 pm
So, after much crafting (and much muttering of "Oh fuck, I needed that Soda Popper" under my breath), I have now got a brand spanking new Phlogistinator and Manmelter.
do you realize that you can buy pretty much any wep that wasnt in the latest update for 1 scrap on a trade server?
Post by: Scelly9 on July 06, 2012, 06:27:10 pm
-_-So, after much crafting (and much muttering of "Oh fuck, I needed that Soda Popper" under my breath), I have now got a brand spanking new Phlogistinator and Manmelter.
do you realize that you can buy pretty much any wep that wasnt in the latest update for 1 scrap on a trade server?
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Post by: mattie2009 on July 06, 2012, 06:28:51 pm
Post by: Matz05 on July 06, 2012, 09:05:06 pm
I have used the gibbus sometimes, it really doesn't look tacky, and if the only reason to not wear it is that its common, why not? If it makes the other team undersell you, so much the better!
...not so good is when the medics only heal people with uncommon headgear...
The spiral sallet I actually like, it might not "fit" so well as the gibbus when it comes to blending into the crowd, but I like to think it gives me a psychological edge by making people overestimate my survivability.
Post by: Descan on July 06, 2012, 09:25:24 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 07, 2012, 02:18:48 am
Trade servers are for wusses. I got my guns fairly, and took my loss of my ancestral Flaregun in stride. It was a needed sacrifice.
For the phagnisator and manmelter?
Sorry, but those weapons arent all that good. Manmelter drops down on a very quick rate and extinuishing enemies takes a long time, and the phlognisator is just bad in general, no airblast is always meh. Unless you plan on not using them like me, i just hoard everything >.<
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on July 07, 2012, 09:22:48 am
The phlog isn't bad if you add a detonator or the scorch shot alongside it.Trade servers are for wusses. I got my guns fairly, and took my loss of my ancestral Flaregun in stride. It was a needed sacrifice.
For the phagnisator and manmelter?
Sorry, but those weapons arent all that good. Manmelter drops down on a very quick rate and extinuishing enemies takes a long time, and the phlognisator is just bad in general, no airblast is always meh. Unless you plan on not using them like me, i just hoard everything >.<
Just keep igniting people and you'll always have full health on demand, does wonders for roaming. I like to add the backscratcher alongside.
Crits is just icing on the cake, if they got rid of that I'd still use the phlog.
And seriously, the scorch shot is wonderful, sure it can't kill but it is incredible at fire-and-forget ignition, and it jumbles up people's movement which can slow them down when they are chasing you or make them get caught on Valve Geometry so you can catch up to them.
Post by: miauw62 on July 07, 2012, 09:36:23 am
Post by: Duuvian on July 07, 2012, 12:29:17 pm
Mh, call me an oldfag, but i'm staying with my trusty flamethrower and shotty.
You and your kind, good sir, will annoy me every time I play pyro. As pyro I dislike pyros using shotgun because I use the flaregun usually. It's such a great way to send someone not-pyro running to a health pack that I can't not use it. Except on 100% crit servers. On that Pyro's shotgun becomes a main weapon.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 07, 2012, 12:34:09 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 07, 2012, 01:14:25 pm
So, you dislike me using the shotty because you dont?Mh, call me an oldfag, but i'm staying with my trusty flamethrower and shotty.
You and your kind, good sir, will annoy me every time I play pyro. As pyro I dislike pyros using shotgun because I use the flaregun usually. It's such a great way to send someone not-pyro running to a health pack that I can't not use it. Except on 100% crit servers. On that Pyro's shotgun becomes a main weapon.
This is sure a good excuse.
Post by: mattie2009 on July 07, 2012, 01:17:06 pm
Post by: Duuvian on July 07, 2012, 01:19:58 pm
So, you dislike me using the shotty because you dont?Mh, call me an oldfag, but i'm staying with my trusty flamethrower and shotty.
You and your kind, good sir, will annoy me every time I play pyro. As pyro I dislike pyros using shotgun because I use the flaregun usually. It's such a great way to send someone not-pyro running to a health pack that I can't not use it. Except on 100% crit servers. On that Pyro's shotgun becomes a main weapon.
This is sure a good excuse.
No, I'm saying you're making a good choice in taking the shotgun because you'll be able to kill pyros like me. Other than that it's all circumstance whether or not the shotgun is effective, like how I consider the flare gun much better at long ranges... except against pyros like you.
Post by: Greiger on July 07, 2012, 01:20:50 pm
It just seems that a pyro that uses their melee weapon is just doing it wrong, unless they are one of the hundreds using a axestinguisher or mailbox.
Post by: miauw62 on July 07, 2012, 01:21:42 pm
A phlog pyro with the manmelter doesnt make a chance against a good airblasting pyro with the shotty.
One of the reasons i use the shotty.
S+M1 all the way
Also, axetinguisher to above.
To two above, ah, sorry for understading it wrong :P
Post by: Duuvian on July 07, 2012, 01:31:12 pm
To two above, ah, sorry for understading it wrong :P
No prob, these things happen in text.
EDIT2: Deleted that wordplay gem.
Post by: mattie2009 on July 07, 2012, 01:37:17 pm
Still, airblast is vital for me.It's a matter of taste. Yes, I miss my airblast, and it makes it harder to kill soldiers, but the extra bit of length you get makes it invaluable against scouts and unaware pyros. Critical Manmelter does some serious damage, though, and it still sends snipers running to spawn to stop the fire.
A phlog pyro with the manmelter doesnt make a chance against a good airblasting pyro with the shotty.
One of the reasons i use the shotty.
S+M1 all the way
Post by: The Scout on July 07, 2012, 01:38:45 pm
Post by: Duuvian on July 07, 2012, 02:11:00 pm
Post by: Dermonster on July 07, 2012, 03:12:44 pm
Puff switch shoot shoot dead pyro.
Post by: Teneb on July 07, 2012, 05:45:03 pm
Post by: jester on July 07, 2012, 07:16:37 pm
Post by: Neyvn on July 07, 2012, 07:19:24 pm
Post by: mattie2009 on July 07, 2012, 07:23:03 pm
More on topic, I should upgrade to the Third Degree from the Axtinguisher, mainly because I get almost no milage out of the damn thing. I rarely ever switch to melee, since time spent not killing your enemy is time they can kill you. Plus, if you have the flamer out, you may as well finish the job you started, unless you like the crits. I've had multiple occasions where I've been in a great position behind a medic, in which the TD would have been amazing.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 07, 2012, 09:00:04 pm
And as much as people dislike the Third Degree for being a direct upgrade, It doesn't really mean anything. It's such a minor situational thing that I cannot really consider it a problem. Same goes for the Marked Gardener, except people who play against plebs who can consistently get a crit off every half-dozen tries who support it the way it is.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 08, 2012, 05:26:38 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 08, 2012, 06:28:08 am
And everybody has bad and good days i guess.
There are these days when i go on one of my favorite servers and own everybody.
And there are these days when i kinda suck.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 08, 2012, 07:07:34 am
Post by: Keltiknight on July 08, 2012, 01:15:53 pm
Post by: Cecilff2 on July 09, 2012, 11:16:39 am
For some odd reason, it feels like whenever I am demoman, I am THE no fun guy. Maybe it is because of my excessive use of sticky launcher as my main weapon instead of the loch n load nades I used to use all the time, since stickies need less aim, and tend to be just as deadly because I can combo people with them, knock them around with stickies, and by the time they get their act together, there is a carpet of stickies about to go off at their feet.
Demos are just in general OP. They literally have a tool for any situation. It is very very rare that a team of all demos is not going to just completely roll the other team(Provided they aren't all demo themselves)
Post by: Dermonster on July 09, 2012, 11:21:58 am
Post by: PTTG?? on July 09, 2012, 11:29:25 am
Post by: Matz05 on July 09, 2012, 12:42:21 pm
He eventually died to self-damage I think.
Post by: miauw62 on July 09, 2012, 01:48:00 pm
Not mini-gun, that slows you down if you spin up.
Scout with ft is good too. I once backburnered a big mob of enemies with that.
Post by: Cecilff2 on July 09, 2012, 01:58:19 pm
If they're all demo, roll out some spies, pyros, and medics. Demos are far from effective as spycheckers, and a handfull of good pyros can airblast stickies and pills away no problem.
No amount of airblasting can save you from 20 demos pill spamming you.
Post by: DJ on July 09, 2012, 02:06:59 pm
And depending on openness of the map, 20 soldiers could give them a run for their money. Especially if they combo banners.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 09, 2012, 02:24:27 pm
And since the pyro is healed slower than the rest he will last a bit more before the medic has t look for somoene else to heal.
Beseides it's kickass for Melee servers i guess.
The volcano fragment is pretty much useless unless on a melee only server and teamed up with another pyro (you have a freaking flamethrower so why whack them with a blunt axe?).
The axtinguisher/mailbox is the most basic weapon for a pyro ever (for obvious reasons)
Post by: Cecilff2 on July 09, 2012, 03:26:10 pm
20 pyros airblasting, remember.
All trying to airblast at the same time. But their cooldowns will eventually make them vulnerable. Grenades tend to not come in easy predictable waves when you have a bunch of different players, but you'll always have to time the airblast correctly, leaving you wide open to the multitude of other pills before your airblast is ready again(And the splash damage is killing everyone).
Sollies have it even worse. Either they waste rockets trying to move stickies out of the way, or they funnel together in such a way that one crit will kill the majority of them. Their low mobility means they have to rocket jump to avoid the initial incoming stickies so an airburst sticky or 2'll likely take em out.
Post by: Putnam on July 09, 2012, 03:29:39 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 09, 2012, 03:30:22 pm
Post by: DJ on July 09, 2012, 03:33:50 pm
Post by: Cecilff2 on July 09, 2012, 03:39:11 pm
I did say an open map. Stickies aren't much use if you're dead before you can detonate them.
If you can't dodge rockets in a wide open map, you've got more issues than I can help you with.
Post by: DJ on July 09, 2012, 04:33:59 pm
Post by: Cecilff2 on July 09, 2012, 04:44:30 pm
They're kinda hard to dodge when they're raining from all directions.
Then the demos aren't doing their job right. If they're allowing the soldiers to spread out and cause that much damage, they are terrible demos.
Post by: MaximumZero on July 09, 2012, 04:49:24 pm
Post by: Enzo on July 09, 2012, 07:54:10 pm
That is all.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 09, 2012, 09:40:55 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 10, 2012, 01:15:04 am
A soldier is a hard counter to everything if he can rocket jump. Jumping from wall to wall raining down rockets.
Post by: miauw62 on July 10, 2012, 03:15:28 am
Was a fun game tough, it was turbine and we got the great idea of all becoming gunslinger engies camping one of the enemy exits :P
Post by: DJ on July 10, 2012, 09:51:57 am
How do you stop rocket jumping soldiers from spreading out?They're kinda hard to dodge when they're raining from all directions.
Then the demos aren't doing their job right. If they're allowing the soldiers to spread out and cause that much damage, they are terrible demos.
Post by: Orangebottle on July 10, 2012, 10:17:26 am
Post by: mattie2009 on July 10, 2012, 10:29:59 am
Plus, even if they kill me, they're likely still on fire, so I get my revenge kill.
Post by: The Scout on July 10, 2012, 10:33:32 am
I've been randomly joining pub matches to get destroyed for the first 10 minutes, only to become the sole thing keeping my team from losing. It makes me feel so important.
Post by: miauw62 on July 10, 2012, 10:43:31 am
I've had many "if it werent for me..." moments.
Like being the only person in my team to push the cart a hammer unit further when there's only five seconds left and nobody dares jump into the sentry doomzone.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 10, 2012, 01:11:33 pm
The best part about playing offensive pyro is my unerring tendency to fill my Mmmph just at the right times. Plus, all those scoped snipers who leave themselves vulnerable to getting a glob of whatever-the-fuck-the-Manmelter-shoots to the skull. Ding ding ding ding...
Plus, even if they kill me, they're likely still on fire, so I get my revenge kill.
You should try playing pyro in non-tutorial-mode.
Post by: mattie2009 on July 10, 2012, 01:21:22 pm
I find that implication fucking insulting.The best part about playing offensive pyro is my unerring tendency to fill my Mmmph just at the right times. Plus, all those scoped snipers who leave themselves vulnerable to getting a glob of whatever-the-fuck-the-Manmelter-shoots to the skull. Ding ding ding ding...
Plus, even if they kill me, they're likely still on fire, so I get my revenge kill.
You should try playing pyro in non-tutorial-mode.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 10, 2012, 02:18:32 pm
I find that implication fucking insulting.The best part about playing offensive pyro is my unerring tendency to fill my Mmmph just at the right times. Plus, all those scoped snipers who leave themselves vulnerable to getting a glob of whatever-the-fuck-the-Manmelter-shoots to the skull. Ding ding ding ding...
Plus, even if they kill me, they're likely still on fire, so I get my revenge kill.
You should try playing pyro in non-tutorial-mode.
I find tutorial mode offensive because my PC cannot run the game at 20+ FPS while managing bot AI at the same time.
As for using the Phlogistonator in a crowd of bots... i'd like to point out that bots are many times better at organising a focused attack on a taunting pyro than 90% of human teams.
A manmelter crit can and will kill a sniper with afterburn unless he gets healed one way or another.
Post by: Blizzlord on July 10, 2012, 02:43:45 pm
As for using the Phlogistonator in a crowd of bots... i'd like to point out that bots are many times better at organising a focused attack on a taunting pyro than 90% of human teams.That applies to bots in general. They fight way better than most players I've seen, and would rape any PUG you could find out there.
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 10, 2012, 08:20:00 pm
The best part about playing offensive pyro is my unerring tendency to fill my Mmmph just at the right times. Plus, all those scoped snipers who leave themselves vulnerable to getting a glob of whatever-the-fuck-the-Manmelter-shoots to the skull. Ding ding ding ding...
Plus, even if they kill me, they're likely still on fire, so I get my revenge kill.
You should try playing pyro in non-tutorial-mode.
No need to be a dick.
Post by: umiman on July 11, 2012, 03:18:48 am
Post by: lordcooper on July 11, 2012, 03:21:53 am
Post by: Mongol13524 on July 11, 2012, 04:09:37 am
In terms of raw aim and DM, of course an expert level bot would fight better than a player. In terms of actually winning a pick up game, you're mistaken.As for using the Phlogistonator in a crowd of bots... i'd like to point out that bots are many times better at organising a focused attack on a taunting pyro than 90% of human teams.That applies to bots in general. They fight way better than most players I've seen, and would win any PUG you could find out there.
Post by: jester on July 11, 2012, 06:14:53 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on July 11, 2012, 06:49:28 am
As in always stare at me constantly when walking around invisible
Post by: The Scout on July 11, 2012, 07:05:00 am
Post by: Jackrabbit on July 11, 2012, 07:21:43 am
Post by: The Scout on July 11, 2012, 10:08:30 am
Kritz Medic + Beggar Soldier is mean. Pop off atleast 9 crit rockets before it ends, all of them spreading out.
Post by: Cecilff2 on July 11, 2012, 04:36:12 pm
How do you stop rocket jumping soldiers from spreading out?They're kinda hard to dodge when they're raining from all directions.
Then the demos aren't doing their job right. If they're allowing the soldiers to spread out and cause that much damage, they are terrible demos.
Stickies, of course. The end all do all weapon of choice.
Post by: Sonlirain on July 11, 2012, 05:11:29 pm
In terms of raw aim and DM, of course an expert level bot would fight better than a player. In terms of actually winning a pick up game, you're mistaken.As for using the Phlogistonator in a crowd of bots... i'd like to point out that bots are many times better at organising a focused attack on a taunting pyro than 90% of human teams.That applies to bots in general. They fight way better than most players I've seen, and would win any PUG you could find out there.
The the team has no human players the bots will always gradually switch to Demoman... that's what usually happens when you run a tutorial game and switch to spectator.
Post by: Duuvian on July 11, 2012, 06:13:02 pm
How do you stop rocket jumping soldiers from spreading out?They're kinda hard to dodge when they're raining from all directions.
Then the demos aren't doing their job right. If they're allowing the soldiers to spread out and cause that much damage, they are terrible demos.
Stickies, of course. The end all do all weapon of choice.
This, plus if they are using the boots that do damage if they land on you just keep an eye on the sky and be ready to whip out that giant ax when they try and land right next to you. I've even hit them while they are airborne, which is a good laugh if it kills them.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on July 12, 2012, 12:15:36 am
Or boring economics. Depends on your preferences I guess :P
Post by: LASD on July 12, 2012, 02:09:07 am
For the traders among you, an interesting read. (http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/economics/arbitrage-and-equilibrium-in-the-team-fortress-2-economy/#more-128)Huh, that was pretty cool. Now I kinda wish I was a trader, but I know I don't have the patience or willingness to contact enough people.
Or boring economics. Depends on your preferences I guess :P
Post by: miauw62 on July 12, 2012, 02:57:04 am
I'd absolutely LOVE a nice bills hat on my pyro's head.
:(
EDIT:
While the pyromania update only brought ONE new pyro weapon, on a second tought i'm happy with it. If they gave us a new axe and a flamethrower they would have screwed those up anyway.
Post by: Blargityblarg on July 15, 2012, 06:19:57 am
Post by: Dermonster on July 15, 2012, 10:19:46 am
Post by: Neyvn on July 16, 2012, 12:56:17 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW7D6r1S6W8
Post by: Putnam on July 16, 2012, 01:55:29 am
I have to say. This has been the best TF2 Filmsource vid I have seen yet...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW7D6r1S6W8
That was made before the source filmmaker was released.
Post by: miauw62 on July 16, 2012, 02:21:42 am
ALOT of people have been using SFM before it was released.
Oh, and check out r33mix's new vid, sunshine.
Its glorious.
Post by: Putnam on July 16, 2012, 02:50:58 am
Yeah, but that doesnt mean it wasnt made with it.
Well, yeah. Seems I forgot to mention the whole "SFM leaked with TF2 beta" thing >_>
nope.avi was made with the SFM.
Post by: Enzo on July 16, 2012, 02:53:08 am
This would be pretty great if he didn't mispronounce "Toque".
Post by: Neyvn on July 18, 2012, 03:44:09 am
I was on a Server where this fella came on with something akin to a MovieVoice, you know those Movie Preview voices. Well he ducked off for a while and while he was gone this Rager of a Player came on, made an arse of himself before the admin was called and promptly banned him...
A few minutes later Moviemanvoice came back on. He was promptly muted having said nothing offensive as far as I could tell and then while trying to understand what he did wrong in chat, was banned. As far as I could tell someone had stated that he was the same fella as the rager...
I questioned the admin cause I was actually chatting with MMV guy and when I stated that it was pure Admin Abuse to have kicked him with no true reason, I find myself looking at the Banned window...
Always love Admin Abusers. Shame though it was one of those Maps where Teufort had different themes and builds. Kinda rare in Aus Server list...
Post by: jester on July 18, 2012, 06:05:48 am
Well I just had an interesting thing happen...
I was on a Server where this fella came on with something akin to a MovieVoice, you know those Movie Preview voices. Well he ducked off for a while and while he was gone this Rager of a Player came on, made an arse of himself before the admin was called and promptly banned him...
A few minutes later Moviemanvoice came back on. He was promptly muted having said nothing offensive as far as I could tell and then while trying to understand what he did wrong in chat, was banned. As far as I could tell someone had stated that he was the same fella as the rager...
I questioned the admin cause I was actually chatting with MMV guy and when I stated that it was pure Admin Abuse to have kicked him with no true reason, I find myself looking at the Banned window...
Always love Admin Abusers. Shame though it was one of those Maps where Teufort had different themes and builds. Kinda rare in Aus Server list...
If you can remember which group the server was in (gamersUN etc.) I may be able to look into it, I know alot of the upper level admins for alot of the main aussie groups? Though if its just a one off server, you have probably just run into a dick admin.
Post by: Blargityblarg on July 18, 2012, 11:21:28 am
Post by: jester on July 19, 2012, 12:59:37 am
Oh man, the new GamersUN servers were crazy laggy for a while. I think it's cleared up now, but I'm still aviding them just in case.
From what I can tell one of the unspoken horrors of the Aussie tf2 community is 90% of the servers actually come from the exact same provider.
That said, the gamersUN 20 slot payload server when it gets going attracts a crowd of regulars who include alot of div 1/2/3 players, can be alot of fun if you are a vet looking for a challenge.
Post by: umiman on July 19, 2012, 09:42:44 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 27, 2012, 09:12:14 pm
I remember getting two Prussian pickelhaube and I crafted them together or something. I say it's best just not to trade hats.
Post by: miauw62 on July 28, 2012, 04:27:17 am
But meh, pyro is my fav class and an australium gold mann co cap looks good on everything else except spy.
spy = fancy fedora
pyro = flamboyant flamenco.
Post by: Blizzlord on July 28, 2012, 05:06:07 am
No argument. The Top Notch is the best one out there, even if it is exclusive to Notch.
Post by: miauw62 on July 28, 2012, 05:08:55 am
EDIT:
Btw, did anybody hear about the new quickplay system?
Its dissapointing. I was hoping something like "banned P2W servers from quickplay", but its just a lobby system :/
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 28, 2012, 05:14:00 am
Post by: Enzo on July 28, 2012, 05:34:54 am
Just picked the game back up after a while of not playing it tonight. Anything else I miss besides the pyro update?
It depends on how long "a while" is. The Pyro update was the most recent major addition.
Mh, in my community i usually recognize people in the other team as members of the community (and usually good players, so thats either high-priority targets if an ambush is possible, or just stay the fuck away targets) by their hats.
This is kind of true. Once you get to know some regulars on a server hats are shorthand for everything from "this guy is going to reflect all my rockets" to "this sniper never turns around".
Post by: miauw62 on July 28, 2012, 05:44:20 am
I'm a VERY talky person in tf2.
On a side note: still about 3 hours before my native vanilla server is going to kick itself off. usually happens around 3 PM GMT.
Post by: Errol on July 28, 2012, 07:59:57 am
I don't have hats either for most classes. :/
Post by: miauw62 on July 28, 2012, 08:08:28 am
Well, if you want i could do some shameless advertising and show you my native community...
(1 vanilla rotation server, 1 2fort instarespawn 32 player 10 caps server, and one turbine server thats the same as the 2fort server except for the map) (and a Gmod black mesa RP server)
Post by: Blizzlord on July 28, 2012, 10:36:24 am
Whatever you do, dont wear the gibus. It really looks ugly because its so overused and common. No hat is better then having a gibus.Basically my medic guidelines. Try to stay away from the (unpainted) gibuses (and alien parasites) while preferring people with other hats.
Reverse that for übersaw targets.
Post by: Errol on July 28, 2012, 11:38:09 am
Whatever you do, dont wear the gibus. It really looks ugly because its so overused and common. No hat is better then having a gibus.
Well, if you want i could do some shameless advertising and show you my native community...
(1 vanilla rotation server, 1 2fort instarespawn 32 player 10 caps server, and one turbine server thats the same as the 2fort server except for the map) (and a Gmod black mesa RP server)
Is it based in Europe?
Post by: Myroc on July 28, 2012, 11:51:07 am
Basically my medic guidelines. Try to stay away from the (unpainted) gibuses (and alien parasites) while preferring people with other hats.I prefer keeping alive the most important people on my team rather than the one who has the fanciest hat, but I guess we have different priorities.
Mine is winning.
Post by: The Scout on July 28, 2012, 12:29:07 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 28, 2012, 12:35:21 pm
In the UK, i think.Whatever you do, dont wear the gibus. It really looks ugly because its so overused and common. No hat is better then having a gibus.
Well, if you want i could do some shameless advertising and show you my native community...
(1 vanilla rotation server, 1 2fort instarespawn 32 player 10 caps server, and one turbine server thats the same as the 2fort server except for the map) (and a Gmod black mesa RP server)
Is it based in Europe?
Nice community, too. Not too great, but the people are friendly and fun to play with.
Post by: Blizzlord on July 28, 2012, 12:59:47 pm
Who would you prefer: the Gibus-wearing Heavy or the Team Captain Soldier? I think my kritzkrieg would do better in the hands of that soldier.Basically my medic guidelines. Try to stay away from the (unpainted) gibuses (and alien parasites) while preferring people with other hats.I prefer keeping alive the most important people on my team rather than the one who has the fanciest hat, but I guess we have different priorities.
Mine is winning.
I will not heal a spy with a fancy hat however if the Gibus Heavy needs immediate help. That heavy might in that case contribute more than that spy would if I healed him instead.
Post by: miauw62 on July 28, 2012, 01:21:23 pm
Post by: Myroc on July 28, 2012, 01:58:23 pm
Who would you prefer: the Gibus-wearing Heavy or the Team Captain Soldier?Whichever was the most useful to the team. Or in the most immediate need of healing.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 28, 2012, 02:11:57 pm
You dont heal spies at all if he doesnt need immideate help.
Or when they are disguised as a team mate and you forget to Spycheck.
Post by: Putnam on July 28, 2012, 02:45:16 pm
I'm not sure how I feel about appearing in someone's frag video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_CcqcdqIZs#t=1m53s) doing something totally stupid. :I
Ooh, I appeared on one of OMFGNinja's videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtDR2B97VQc&list=UUUTwogjQYT692Cy3DlkvtHA&index=9&feature=plpp_video) a while back. I was wondering if it was actually him while I was on the server, and yeah, it was.
(BTF stands for "Ban the FaN", back when it was particularly annoying; they fixed it later)
Post by: qazwer22 on July 28, 2012, 07:55:07 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 28, 2012, 07:58:09 pm
Post by: Putnam on July 28, 2012, 08:00:24 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 28, 2012, 08:07:09 pm
Post by: Putnam on July 28, 2012, 08:09:00 pm
They also have teleporters?
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 28, 2012, 08:22:02 pm
The technology appears to be a literal "make an entire other texture set for the level", since they don't work on user-created levels (not even on steel).This is what you said. What I was trying to say is that while from our side its only switching textures and because of that only the certain levels are changed if the world portrayed by the game was real then the mask and the goggles would work everywhere.
Post by: Duuvian on July 29, 2012, 03:13:48 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 29, 2012, 03:22:31 am
Post by: Duuvian on July 29, 2012, 03:51:09 am
That said that's what we should use our strategic Australium reserve for.
Post by: Enzo on July 29, 2012, 04:02:56 am
that's what we should use our strategic Australium reserve for.
It's people like you who are the reason our space-monkey program is faltering.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 29, 2012, 04:04:37 am
Post by: Duuvian on July 29, 2012, 04:10:02 am
that's what we should use our strategic Australium reserve for.
It's people like you who are the reason our space-monkey program is faltering.
Duuvian here. This most certainly is not Saxton Hale standing over a damn dirty hippie's prone form. I retract my earlier statement and fully agree with the above quote.
Post by: The Scout on July 31, 2012, 12:14:21 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 31, 2012, 12:54:59 pm
(shortstop being the last for it being derpy and not having a proper description, and third is the free mini-crits one)
Post by: DJ on July 31, 2012, 01:12:52 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 31, 2012, 01:18:43 pm
Except mayby for the vanilla pyro axe. Axetinguisher ftw!
Also, tf2lobby matches are hard :P
The kind of challenge i want to become better, training against a mix of pubbies and skilled players that i know the playstyle of is simply not enough.
Post by: Techhead on July 31, 2012, 01:37:04 pm
Vanilla weapons are simply better then most people think.I think you are forgetting the default Bonesaw, which has two direct upgrades (Amputator & Solemn Vow), and one indirect one (Ubersaw).
Except mayby for the vanilla pyro axe. Axetinguisher ftw!
Also, tf2lobby matches are hard :P
The kind of challenge i want to become better, training against a mix of pubbies and skilled players that i know the playstyle of is simply not enough.
The default Fire Axe also has a direct upgrade (Third Degree).
Post by: jester on July 31, 2012, 01:42:31 pm
Vanilla weapons are simply better then most people think.
Except mayby for the vanilla pyro axe. Axetinguisher ftw!
Also, tf2lobby matches are hard :P
The kind of challenge i want to become better, training against a mix of pubbies and skilled players that i know the playstyle of is simply not enough.
Time for you to get involved in some proper clan tf2 comps methinks.
Post by: The Scout on July 31, 2012, 02:14:21 pm
Yeah, I've tried them all extensively, and default scattergun is simply the best. Also, default pistol seems better than the Winger to me.I personally liked the FaN. Let's me shoot more, and the ability to push myself plus the enemy away let's me live for another round of shooting.
Post by: DJ on July 31, 2012, 02:32:03 pm
Post by: Putnam on July 31, 2012, 03:01:30 pm
Yeah, I've tried them all extensively, and default scattergun is simply the best. Also, default pistol seems better than the Winger to me.I personally liked the FaN. Let's me shoot more, and the ability to push myself plus the enemy away let's me live for another round of shooting.
Let's me shoot more
???
Post by: The Scout on July 31, 2012, 03:59:56 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 31, 2012, 04:04:02 pm
When it comes to the scouts main weapon I have a tie with the regular and the shortstop. Of course if the shortstop did not use the pistols ammo it would be edging ahead, as it is I just use crit-a-cola in my secondary.
Post by: Blargityblarg on July 31, 2012, 09:12:09 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on July 31, 2012, 09:14:37 pm
Post by: Blargityblarg on July 31, 2012, 09:16:43 pm
Post by: Matz05 on July 31, 2012, 09:17:50 pm
Post by: Dermonster on July 31, 2012, 10:01:12 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 31, 2012, 11:28:57 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 01, 2012, 03:30:27 am
Vanilla weapons are simply better then most people think.
Except mayby for the vanilla pyro axe. Axetinguisher ftw!
Also, tf2lobby matches are hard :P
The kind of challenge i want to become better, training against a mix of pubbies and skilled players that i know the playstyle of is simply not enough.
Time for you to get involved in some proper clan tf2 comps methinks.
Oh no, really not. I'm not a very good pyro. I'd rate myself a bit above mediocre. And my community isnt really that much for competive.
I'd like to tough. After i figure out the role of a pyro in highlander. Because my teammates were screaming at me to do the most boring thing a pyro can do, wich is babysitting sentries.
Also,
Pow pow. *reload* Instead of pow. Pow. Pow. *reload reload* Pow. Pow. Pow. *reload. reload. reload. reload.* Atleast for me.
FTFY
Post by: Blizzlord on August 01, 2012, 04:03:07 am
I'd like to tough. After i figure out the role of a pyro in highlander. Because my teammates were screaming at me to do the most boring thing a pyro can do, wich is babysitting sentries.Scream back at the engineer to move the sentry to a offensive position were it needs to be protected then! It is way more fun to babysit a sentry as a pyro when spies, demomen and soldiers are actively trying to destroy it.
Post by: Enzo on August 01, 2012, 04:07:51 am
After i figure out the role of a pyro in highlander. Because my teammates were screaming at me to do the most boring thing a pyro can do, wich is babysitting sentries.
1) Protect your Medic combo (Airblast projectiles, spycheck, extinguish).
2) Protect your Engie nest (when defending a position).
3) Disrupt Enemy Ubers.
Ambush-Pyro isn't really effective in comp play because the enemy team is more tightly organized and can pick off a lone pyro before he does any serious damage. A Pyro's job is to protect and assist the center of the team, the Medic, Sentry, Cart, etc.
Post by: miauw62 on August 01, 2012, 04:09:24 am
Post by: Neyvn on August 01, 2012, 05:23:40 am
Also just noticed. T happens to be a very frequently used letter. Finger prints on my phone screen is thck on T...
Post by: miauw62 on August 01, 2012, 06:24:14 am
I applaud you, sir.
Also, were those ambushes in pubs or actual matches?
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 01, 2012, 02:34:49 pm
Post by: Neyvn on August 01, 2012, 02:41:05 pm
Though it is annoying when a Medic turns around and you lose those crits, alerting the Heavy who turns around and kills you without doing any damage to him due to medic. But when he doesn't. Best moment ever...
It was a Pub match tbh, but it was clearly a Clan trolling the Pubs, something like 8 or so of one single clan on one team. Naturally we of the random group lost each map but still...
A Clan which plays TF2 in Pubs usually does it for two reason. Fun/Trolling and Strategy Training. The thing about Pubs is that that Random Chance of Change can happen very quickly compared to a Comp Match due to the way its so "Set in Stone" in playstyles...
Post by: jester on August 01, 2012, 03:22:07 pm
We have run backburner on some maps, but only for 1 shot ambush setups when the rest of the team is going to fall back or if we know we are intentionally dropping a point, if it works, its hilarious.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 01, 2012, 03:35:21 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 01, 2012, 05:13:19 pm
Post by: mr. macduggan on August 02, 2012, 12:14:12 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 02, 2012, 10:34:08 am
Well the correct use of a Backburner is in its name. Burn their Backs... I really don't see how anyone could make the mista.... \\watches as a Backburner Pryo W+M1 a Heavy/Medic combo...\\ Nevermind...
Though it is annoying when a Medic turns around and you lose those crits, alerting the Heavy who turns around and kills you without doing any damage to him due to medic. But when he doesn't. Best moment ever...
It was a Pub match tbh, but it was clearly a Clan trolling the Pubs, something like 8 or so of one single clan on one team. Naturally we of the random group lost each map but still...
A Clan which plays TF2 in Pubs usually does it for two reason. Fun/Trolling and Strategy Training. The thing about Pubs is that that Random Chance of Change can happen very quickly compared to a Comp Match due to the way its so "Set in Stone" in playstyles...
Clanstacking can be quite fun, but one of our head admins - if he's online - INSISTS that we dont clanstack :P
But its still alot of fun. Its the good players vs the good players, while picking off a few pubs here and there, and then just the pubs vs the pubs.
Post by: jester on August 02, 2012, 11:04:28 pm
Post by: Siquo on August 03, 2012, 02:28:04 am
Being a lynchpin in an epic defense against a stack is the best fun you can have in pub tf2 imo.Ah yes, Solo-Fortress 2, I play it often. Too bad that while you're actually ruining the stack's strategy, nobody else seems to be pushing the cart. It's not like you're doing anything else useful. So I run back and forth between the cart and their medics/turrets/etc.
Post by: Keltiknight on August 03, 2012, 02:57:44 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 03, 2012, 04:09:39 am
Please use the actual NAMES of the weapons :/
WHOOPS NVM i didnt realize a new update came out. I hope these weapons arent too OP.
Anyway, i had an epic run yesterday. Pyro and demo on turbine instarespawn, 32 players. I was the best player in my team, around 175 points i think.
While playing pyro, i ran into the enemy vents, and i had to hide in the vent going to the drop, where nobody could see me. Suddenly, a friendly spy comes. I quickly say "you sap and i'll drop down to destroy the sentries, k?". He just jumps down, so i guess he agrees. He's a spy, if he isnt going to sap... A few moments later, i jump down. Sentries sapped. Awesome. I rush to the sentries before the engies repair them and manage to destroy them, i quickly grab the intel.
"The enemy has secured your intelligence!"
FFFFFUUUUUU- (crits on capture were turned on)
I only managed to bring it halfway the hallway, but we captured it anyway.
In that match, i also seemed invurnable to spies. Spies would always stab everybody (usually in the vents), except for me.
I always turned around just when a spy was going to stab me, just because i wanted to go back and felt an enemy behind me, or because i wanted to look why my medic wasnt healing me anymore.
Also, i think i'm a better demo than i think i am.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 03, 2012, 10:06:12 am
Post by: LASD on August 03, 2012, 04:38:20 pm
The spy finally gets a new sapper in the latest update too. It reverses the building's construction, which I think is completely hilarious.
The cleaver (or guillotine) is also great and hilarious. It replaces the pistol and crits on stunned targets. I'm always using my Strange Sandman anyway, so I really really really want the cleaver. That also has the added bonus that people won't always initiate random trades to get my Vintage Lugermorph.
Post by: PTTG?? on August 04, 2012, 09:55:15 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 04, 2012, 10:10:09 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 04, 2012, 10:54:47 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 04, 2012, 10:59:33 am
Post by: Neyvn on August 04, 2012, 11:51:19 am
Looks like he has done it in 14 other threads too...
Post by: Robosaur on August 04, 2012, 02:53:55 pm
Post by: Errol on August 04, 2012, 02:54:49 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 04, 2012, 09:12:16 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on August 12, 2012, 11:50:26 am
Not to spoil anyone, but Saxton Hale does something manly.
Post by: The Scout on August 12, 2012, 11:52:30 am
Speaking of blood... The MvM teaser has some very interesting revelations, and a substantial quantity of blood.Link man, link.
Not to spoil anyone, but Saxton Hale does something manly.
Post by: Boltur on August 12, 2012, 12:01:55 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Valve is just aiming for ARG world dominance. They're going to make new riddles that lead to another riddles and soon nobody will even remember that they were making games anymore. (If HL3 will ever come out the ARG is probably already in motion :P)
Post by: Blizzlord on August 12, 2012, 01:56:45 pm
Post by: Matz05 on August 12, 2012, 02:32:18 pm
Gray obviously advanced technologically more than Redmond and Blutarch... look at his back. And his grasp on reality. Those carrier tanks that the update added are probably going to disgorge a drone army! We could be fighting
...though considering Gray's savvy and technological advancement, we might see assault rifles or battle rifles being used by this enemy. Something like a Pistol with no damage falloff? Or a Lv 1 sentry's gun (possibly a mini-sentry's gun)?
Also, the sneak-stab-stab-stab-"Gentlemen?" combat. Is he related in some way to the Spy? Speculate wildly!
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 12, 2012, 02:37:05 pm
Post by: The Scout on August 12, 2012, 02:42:51 pm
Post by: Vherid on August 12, 2012, 02:43:19 pm
Post by: Matz05 on August 12, 2012, 03:13:50 pm
Post by: Neyvn on August 13, 2012, 06:01:31 am
He did, however, stab the Engies. Though weren't both wearing the same colour or something? Strange...They work for Redmond, they are wearing Red... Not seeing a problem here....
Post by: The Scout on August 13, 2012, 06:05:02 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 13, 2012, 09:25:49 am
Post by: Myroc on August 13, 2012, 09:55:45 am
Post by: Blizzlord on August 13, 2012, 09:57:00 am
Post by: Siquo on August 13, 2012, 10:00:24 am
Post by: cerapa on August 13, 2012, 04:02:07 pm
Basically there was a two medic team on the enemy team. You know how it goes, one hits with the ubersaw, the other ubers. Unkillable if they can get 4 hits off. So, what I see is these 2 pyros, just sitting around, spraying fire at them, all the while the medics are hitting them. I was on a good streak with the scout, so I didnt switch out to counter the medics, but I internally kept screaming at the pyros to airblast.
Next round I got my revenge by playing pyro. Airblasted the medics off a cliff. Uber aint gonna help you now HAHAHAHAHA!
Post by: Jackrabbit on August 13, 2012, 05:17:01 pm
I love it so much.
Post by: Putnam on August 13, 2012, 06:34:49 pm
G. Mann.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 13, 2012, 06:46:09 pm
Gray Mann.Down this road is only tears and disappointment buddy
G. Mann.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 13, 2012, 06:50:50 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on August 13, 2012, 07:17:07 pm
Post by: mattie2009 on August 13, 2012, 07:18:19 pm
Red + Blue VS Grey.
Co-Op Survival. Against robots.
FUCK LOGIC. TF2, BITCHES.
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 13, 2012, 07:32:11 pm
But wait, if the release date is Aug. 15 why do they have the movie out already? I thought Valve didn't do that.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 13, 2012, 07:43:08 pm
Post by: Metalax on August 13, 2012, 07:43:54 pm
They've released videos several days prior to the update before, it's simply been that the past few have been arranged to be at the same time as the update so it's come to be expected.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 13, 2012, 07:46:49 pm
Post by: Jackrabbit on August 13, 2012, 08:06:46 pm
By which I mean fuck. Yes. I officially cannot wait.
Post by: Teneb on August 13, 2012, 08:26:10 pm
Post by: Descan on August 13, 2012, 08:30:14 pm
Or because there are going to be SO MANY bots that any more than 6 ACTUAL players would tax... everything, too much.
I'm hoping for the latter. THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME.
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 13, 2012, 09:04:34 pm
It's either to make it so that each player needs to carry their weight and be competent...Robot Zerg in TF2?!
Or because there are going to be SO MANY bots that any more than 6 ACTUAL players would tax... everything, too much.
I'm hoping for the latter. THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME.
Kekekekekekekekekekekekeke
Post by: mattie2009 on August 13, 2012, 10:09:19 pm
Post by: Zangi on August 14, 2012, 12:31:15 am
Well, downloading TF2 for the first time ever. I'm only in for this new co-op... and if the game play is similar to L4D, even more epic, but looks like a defend the base/survival deal.
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2012, 12:42:03 am
Post by: cerapa on August 14, 2012, 02:25:32 am
Okay, this is awesome.
Post by: Siquo on August 14, 2012, 02:32:28 am
The new mode sounds more like Killing Floor than L4D. I'm looking forward to it.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 14, 2012, 02:56:46 am
TF2 storywriting. Because a game that needs no story should have the best one. ???Indeed. Valve can't count to three, but they can tell a fucking story.
The new mode sounds more like Killing Floor than L4D. I'm looking forward to it.
The world's greatest war-themed hat simulator will face its' greatest threat this far.
Post by: LASD on August 14, 2012, 03:01:03 am
I've lost count, this seems amazing. Only thing that can make this worse is the MOBA syndrome, which means that if you play alone, the other five guys are gonna be super serious dicks. So we should play in Bay12 teams :P
Caaaaaaan't wait.
EDIT: Just read the part 2 of the comic and the explanation on the robots, so excitingly exciting. I wonder if they are gonna disable the normal TF2 modes for this event.
EDIT2: I guess TF2 is now stepping even more on the toes of (Super) Monday Night Combat. Also, Spy probably won't be that useful against the bots.
Post by: LASD on August 14, 2012, 03:33:55 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzxpbUeN-eg&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzxpbUeN-eg&feature=youtu.be)
Post by: Vherid on August 14, 2012, 04:39:18 am
Okay, this deserves a second post. Valve has been foreshadowing this from 2010, even with the letters MvM. Here's a video that gathers up everything on the matter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzxpbUeN-eg&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzxpbUeN-eg&feature=youtu.be)
Yeah I've known about it for a while, it's certainly interesting to see how many fucking little clues they actually gave.
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 14, 2012, 05:48:45 am
Also, the map shown in that video seems to be the 3 different co-op maps, because the topmost looks like map 1 of Mannworks (http://www.teamfortress.com/mvm/mannworks/).
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2012, 05:55:45 am
Seems like I'll be playing the new mode alone. I hope to god there are medkits and ammo.
Post by: Siquo on August 14, 2012, 07:59:56 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 14, 2012, 08:02:16 am
Post by: Osmosis Jones on August 14, 2012, 08:04:06 am
HL3 (http://www.t3.com/news/half-life-3-confirmed-at-gamescon)
Post by: Blizzlord on August 14, 2012, 08:15:51 am
Post by: mainiac on August 14, 2012, 09:42:49 am
Wait a second: if the machines are robots, shouldn't the spy be able to use sappers on them? Or would they only be calibrated for engineers' buildings?
I'd like to see what the downgrade sapper would do to them. An animation sequence for that would probably look pretty cool if they decided to go that route.
Post by: Teneb on August 14, 2012, 10:34:42 am
Post by: Neyvn on August 14, 2012, 10:59:02 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 14, 2012, 11:01:24 am
MvM and HL3? I don't think the world is ready for so much awesome in such a short time.The Half life 3 things is claimed to be a mistake( a joke probably) and Valve has stated that they are not going to reveal any new games this year, I believe.
Also, Valve would never reveal HL3 that way.
Post by: Blizzlord on August 14, 2012, 11:02:02 am
So... How long till it goes live???Says the 15th on the website, but you need to be suspicious over companies in the US regarding dates in Europe.
Basically 2 days from now.
Post by: LASD on August 14, 2012, 12:32:45 pm
Oh hey, slightly offtopic, but as fans of Valve, I thought you might like to know there's another awesome release in the near future.
HL3 (http://www.t3.com/news/half-life-3-confirmed-at-gamescon)
About the same document comes a huge grain of salt:
Quote
Hi there from germany, just registered to quote this from the document:
Bitte beachten Sie die Quellen: Aussteller, Gamesmedien, Internet, Foren, Blogs. Angaben ohne Gewähr.
Translated as: Please mind the sources: Exhibitors, media, internet, forums, blogs. No guarantee.
This is simply marketing and guessing.
And yeah, in Europe MvM will probably come at like 3 am on the 16th.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 14, 2012, 12:36:02 pm
It'll be like goddam John Henry out there choo choo here comes the steel driver
Post by: Geen on August 14, 2012, 01:31:23 pm
Valve, you MAGNIFICENT bastards. Only you can somehow connect everything in every way possible. In a game. That doesn't really need a story in the first place. G-man? G-mann.TF2 storywriting. Because a game that needs no story should have the best one. ???Indeed. Valve can't count to three, but they can tell a fucking story.
The new mode sounds more like Killing Floor than L4D. I'm looking forward to it.
The world's greatest war-themed hat simulator will face its' greatest threat this far.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 14, 2012, 04:58:35 pm
Post by: Matz05 on August 14, 2012, 05:00:04 pm
....
Just... elipses...
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2012, 05:31:23 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 14, 2012, 05:38:57 pm
But... it's a soldier robot.Gabe mains Soldier.
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2012, 05:43:03 pm
Post by: Enzo on August 14, 2012, 05:58:43 pm
I really the word Pyrobot.
Also, the soldiers halloween outfit will be 100% more hilarious in this gamemode. "Beep Beep Boop. I am a robot!"
Post by: Osmosis Jones on August 14, 2012, 06:03:18 pm
So, if it uses the class default primary weapon it probably isn't listed.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 14, 2012, 06:24:31 pm
Looking at it, I think it's just the special loadouts; in the artwork surrounding the machine list, you can see pyro bots and heavies that use their miniguns despite neither being listed.Yeah. The robots listed in the Machines page are the special super-bots that are designed to rough up the players. Lots of weak cannon-fodder enemies, a few dangerous enemies each round, like the Uber Medic or the Minor League Scout.
So, if it uses the class default primary weapon it probably isn't listed.
Post by: Teneb on August 14, 2012, 06:38:23 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 14, 2012, 06:45:16 pm
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2012, 07:42:36 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2012, 08:11:41 pm
But... it's a soldier robot.Gabe mains Soldier.
Gabe's favorite is spy. Robin mains soldier.
Post by: Scelly9 on August 14, 2012, 08:12:29 pm
Valve is taking their sweet time.This is description of every valve project ever.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 14, 2012, 08:14:55 pm
But... it's a soldier robot.Gabe mains Soldier.
Gabe's favorite is spy. Robin mains soldier.
Nonsense, he is an excellent soldier. Serves BLU well. No way he's a dime-a-dozen scumbag RED spy.
Post by: Neyvn on August 14, 2012, 08:49:30 pm
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2012, 08:52:11 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/mannwill/....We knew about this awhile ago.
Post by: Descan on August 14, 2012, 09:00:15 pm
Post by: The Scout on August 14, 2012, 09:02:21 pm
Post by: Neyvn on August 14, 2012, 09:08:36 pm
Did... You.... Even.... Read.... It??????http://www.teamfortress.com/mannwill/....We knew about this awhile ago.
Also:: I wonder what the missing Canteen is...
Post by: Metalax on August 14, 2012, 09:12:18 pm
edit: hidden on the page is a link to a pic of the the upgrade UI (http://media.steampowered.com/apps/tf2/tobor/upgrade_ui.jpg)
Also the spy can sap robots.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 14, 2012, 09:28:19 pm
Canteen Bonus Medic with Ammo Boost Canteen + Penetrator Round Heavy with Crit Boost Canteen
Infinite ammo for the heavy, plus the penetrator crits will mow down the 'bots. Plus the medic always has their uber in case things get hairy.
Canteen Bonus Medic with Crit Boost Canteen + Wrangler Engie with Build Boost Canteen
Quick-build sentry using the canteen, activate wrangler, medic activates canteen, triple fire rate for the sentry. Completely lethal combo.
Anyone else got a combo they think would be good?
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 14, 2012, 09:29:51 pm
I have the best combos so far here:Based on theorycrafting on a gamemode we have never seen before with no info on how the bots act or the game plays?
Not to mention the fact that most of the upgrades and possibly a canteen are unknown to us.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 14, 2012, 09:34:00 pm
Post by: Rose on August 14, 2012, 09:38:45 pm
Trololololo
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 14, 2012, 09:50:35 pm
Medic + Send home canteen.Made better if you could medic the bots. Which wouldn't make sense at all but that would be so much fun.
Trololololo
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 14, 2012, 09:54:19 pm
Post by: Enzo on August 14, 2012, 09:56:26 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on August 14, 2012, 10:32:44 pm
Post by: Neyvn on August 14, 2012, 10:41:48 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on August 14, 2012, 10:43:23 pm
Post by: LASD on August 15, 2012, 02:57:21 am
But... it's a soldier robot.Gabe mains Soldier.
Gabe's favorite is spy. Robin mains soldier.
That sounds like a great logic puzzle.
Also, they've really lended a page or two from Dota to make this game mode. Canteens are almost identical to the Bottle item and Medic seems to be working really similarly to Wisp, even if that was mostly true before MvM.
The amount of class + weapon combinations for this mode makes my head hurt a bit.
Post by: cerapa on August 15, 2012, 03:48:02 am
Also, fish upgrades, will the Holy Mackerel be upgradeable for bigger humiliation?
Post by: Blizzlord on August 15, 2012, 04:16:25 am
I wonder how they are gonna upgrade the more unorthodox items. Like the soda popper, crit-a-cola, bonk, dalokhs, razorback, darwins danger shield and all the things with bleeds or unorthodox alt-fires.I assume that all the upgrades will cover all items. Some items might not even need upgrades. I also assume that the want to screw over snipers not using Jarate in this mode, since it is so useful.
Also, fish upgrades, will the Holy Mackerel be upgradeable for bigger humiliation?
And dear God do I hope for exclusive fish upgrades.
Edit: Hidden upgrade preview page. (http://media.steampowered.com/apps/tf2/tobor/upgrade_ui.jpg)
Post by: Osmosis Jones on August 15, 2012, 04:33:48 am
Post by: The Scout on August 15, 2012, 05:59:22 am
Point may be invalid. I can't find where they say heavy is a weaker class and soldier is stronger.
Post by: LASD on August 15, 2012, 06:06:29 am
Cigarette box taunt after every kill.
If the upgrades for the Revolver are good enough this might even work. Though I doubt this mode has the SMNC/Blacklight "Taunting after kills gives money"-thing.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 15, 2012, 06:22:20 am
Well, I'm gonna what do I against players as well. Spy with the Revolver as my only weapon with no disguises. And a Dead Ringer so I won't get badly hurt when someone starts shooting back.>taunt after every kill
Cigarette box taunt after every kill.
If the upgrades for the Revolver are good enough this might even work. Though I doubt this mode has the SMNC/Blacklight "Taunting after kills gives money"-thing.
>horde gamemode
lol.jpg
Post by: Zangi on August 15, 2012, 08:14:21 am
I suck at melee, but can use the shotty, auto, sniper and pistols fine. Preference to the fast sniper and revolver, thanks to 1-hit no-scope kills of commons though.
Post by: Metalax on August 15, 2012, 08:17:00 am
What is a good starter class for someone who has never played any PC shooter other then L4D2? Also, I've really only ever stuck to co-op.
I suck at melee, but can use the shotty, auto, sniper and pistols fine. Preference to the fast sniper and revolver, thanks to 1-hit no-scope kills of commons though.
Soldier is probably the easiest to start with, just make sure you toggle the "auto reload when not firing" on in the options settings. Heavy would be the other relatively simple to start with class to play.
Post by: Blargityblarg on August 15, 2012, 08:23:28 am
Post by: Neyvn on August 15, 2012, 08:33:09 am
For the love of all things sane and holy, DO NOT ENTER A GAME AND GO SNIPER STRAIGHT AWAY!!!
So many times have I seen...
"Player has Join the game."
Player Goes Sniper.
Pushing Last Point on a Payload map where there is really NO good attacking sniper locations...
15mins later because of good defense.
Player has still 0 Points...
Post by: Blargityblarg on August 15, 2012, 08:54:17 am
Post by: mainiac on August 15, 2012, 09:11:08 am
Post by: Zangi on August 15, 2012, 09:12:12 am
@Metalax: Thanks, I've always manually reloaded after shooting so not a problem...
@Blargityblarg: Huh, so those 3 are the non-twitch friendly? I guess I'll give em a go.
@Neyvn: Is the TF2 Sniper the same as the sniper weapon in L4D2? I forgot to mention that I totally suck at scope sniping versus moving targets. I can totally destroy stationary targets like any other baddie sniper though.
Post by: Neyvn on August 15, 2012, 09:18:50 am
@Neyvn: Is the TF2 Sniper the same as the sniper weapon in L4D2? I forgot to mention that I totally suck at scope sniping versus moving targets. I can totally destroy stationary targets like any other baddie sniper though.No. TF2 Sniping is no where near similar to any other FPS style. And only Noobs stand still while Sniping...
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 15, 2012, 09:24:07 am
Seems to me like spy is gonna be wicked powerful. As long as you steer clear of fire you can sap all the robots and they won't notice you.Well, it's only the upgraded spy sapper, so you're going to need to invest quite a lot of money. Also, it only says disable, I'm not sure if that means kill or if an engineer/ medic can come along and undo the damage. Also, you're not going to do anything about any of the giant bots.
Post by: mainiac on August 15, 2012, 10:57:48 am
Post by: The Scout on August 15, 2012, 11:07:38 am
Post by: Blizzlord on August 15, 2012, 11:08:55 am
Post by: Jiharo on August 15, 2012, 11:50:32 am
Post by: umiman on August 15, 2012, 11:52:33 am
Post by: Scelly9 on August 15, 2012, 11:56:11 am
Post by: The Scout on August 15, 2012, 12:20:00 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 15, 2012, 12:27:12 pm
Oh god. Soldier with Direct Hit. Fast reload, more ammo, faster firing speed. The possibilities for him are endless.
...but still no splash.
Post by: Siquo on August 15, 2012, 12:28:42 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 15, 2012, 12:34:14 pm
Sentries are going to be usefull too. Apparently so strong that valve implemented a unit specialized in killing them.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 15, 2012, 12:41:21 pm
@Metalax: Thanks, I've always manually reloaded after shooting so not a problem...No, really, turn it on. The only place it hurts is spies with a reload animation that takes the whole screen. Otherwise it saves you so many keystrokes. It helps that you can always interrupt reloading.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 15, 2012, 12:50:31 pm
I'm pretty sure you can turn of the weapon model, so it doesn't need to hurt their either.@Metalax: Thanks, I've always manually reloaded after shooting so not a problem...No, really, turn it on. The only place it hurts is spies with a reload animation that takes the whole screen. Otherwise it saves you so many keystrokes. It helps that you can always interrupt reloading.
Though you want to leave that on actually. It looks much better.
Post by: Metalax on August 15, 2012, 12:53:47 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 15, 2012, 01:16:27 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 15, 2012, 01:56:31 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 15, 2012, 02:14:33 pm
I don't know about the ambassador but the Scouts pistol does and I know that when pubbing with bad snipers nothing is funnier then pistol snipping a sniper.Or flare gun sniping. First flare ruins their aim, second one kills them if they haven't gotten away yet.
Post by: Blizzlord on August 15, 2012, 02:26:14 pm
Oh god. Soldier with Direct Hit. Fast reload, more ammo, faster firing speed. The possibilities for him are endless.You seem to forget that the Giant Heavybot can shoot down projectiles.
Post by: The Scout on August 15, 2012, 02:36:37 pm
That's only a problem if he's like the bots we have now. Auto tracking that makes rocket jumping useless. And we don't know how effective his ability is.Oh god. Soldier with Direct Hit. Fast reload, more ammo, faster firing speed. The possibilities for him are endless.You seem to forget that the Giant Heavybot can shoot down projectiles.
Post by: The Scout on August 15, 2012, 06:21:00 pm
Post by: Matz05 on August 15, 2012, 06:25:30 pm
1. You are squishy. VERY squishy. The SMG is a pretty awesome weapon, but you often won't survive long enough to use it in direct combat, so avoid direct combat.
2. You can't shoot through glass or some other semi-transparent walls/fences.
3. No-scoping does almost NO damage and (I think) cannot headshot. The longer you stay scoped in, the more a bar in your scope charges. That represents your damage. It resets when you look up. Use your SMG or replacements for near targets, or just RUN AWAY!
4. Headshots triple damage, but sometimes a fully-charged bodyshot will suffice. Get a feel for when this is the case.
5. The only weapons that can headshot are the spy's Ambassador (the light-coloured huge revolver) and sniper primary weapons EXCEPT the dart rifle.
6. Remember that spys and pyros are the ones most likely to go after you. Plan escape accordingly.
7. Except in a very few gamemodes (Arena, etc.) KILLS DON'T COUNT; DEATHS DON'T COUNT. "Playing the objective" is a lot more important than popping X number of heads.
8. Only some weapons can overpenetrate. I think this is limited to the Machina when fully charged and the Huntsman bow.
Also, for all classes, remember the cartoon physics!
1. Most weapons have damage fall-off over distance. For shotguns and ESPECIALLY scatterguns, this is done to a ludicrous extent. In a few cases this is REVERSED to make unlikely shots that much more hillarious (Crusader's crossbow damage/healing, Sandman ball stun amount, etc.)
2. Rocketjumping/stickyjumping is expected behaviour. The devs even balanced for it.
3. Pyro airblasts and other teammates' liquid grenades (but not darts) will extinguish burning friendlies, as will being healed.
Post by: Putnam on August 15, 2012, 06:29:41 pm
4. Headshots are usually better, since you don't have to stand around for long.
8. Huntsman can't penetrate.
Post by: TherosPherae on August 15, 2012, 06:30:40 pm
It wouldn't be a Valve update if they didn't put something new in the Mann Co. Store. :P
Post by: The Scout on August 15, 2012, 06:35:19 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on August 15, 2012, 06:38:47 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 15, 2012, 06:41:32 pm
They're running low on time.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 15, 2012, 06:54:41 pm
Also TF2 is being derpy and verifying nonexistant cache files. Ugh.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 15, 2012, 06:57:52 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on August 15, 2012, 06:58:31 pm
Does that mean its actually out? I am guessing something big is happening as steam doesn't want to finish my download I have going but it would be nice to confirm its TF2 going roboty.It's not showing up in my list of gametypes so....
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 15, 2012, 07:01:42 pm
Post by: The Scout on August 15, 2012, 07:13:16 pm
Post by: Neyvn on August 15, 2012, 07:14:26 pm
Post by: HailFire on August 15, 2012, 07:15:27 pm
Yeah, no update. There are also no engie bots.
On the other hand, the achievement list has several references to "Tanks".
Post by: Metalax on August 15, 2012, 07:18:36 pm
It looks like there will be two forms of bombs being delivered, bombs carried by bots and bombs carried by tanks.
Bot's level up during a wave.
Upgrades may be persistant. 'Max out all primary weapon upgrades' and 'Max out all resistances on a single class.' may hint at this.
Bot waves are going to be big and bots are going to be relatively fragile, 'As a Spy, sap 10 robots at once.', 'As a Demoman, kill 10 robots in a single detonation.' and 'As a Sniper, kill 4 enemies simultaneously.' would suggest this.
Pyro will be able to reset the bomb, likely by airblasting a bomb carrier into a pit.
edit: also soldier has a cunning plan.
Post by: Scelly9 on August 15, 2012, 07:20:33 pm
Bot waves are going to be big and bots are going to be relatively fragile,YAY
Post by: The Scout on August 15, 2012, 07:23:55 pm
edit: also soldier has a cunning plan.He's been in almost every comic/update now and he always plays a decently important part. Valve is in love with him.
Post by: HailFire on August 15, 2012, 07:24:19 pm
'As a Spy, sap 10 robots at once.'
Just to clarify, the sapper can be upgraded to affect bots in a radius.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 15, 2012, 07:48:08 pm
Source: http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/08/16/team-fortress-2-mann-vs-machine-day-3-teaser-epic-loot-edition/?ns_campaign=article-feed&ns_mchannel=ref&ns_source=steam&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0
Post by: HailFire on August 15, 2012, 07:49:51 pm
Post by: Neyvn on August 15, 2012, 08:01:15 pm
-snip-OR...
http://www.teamfortress.com/mvm/faq/
Post by: The Scout on August 15, 2012, 08:08:09 pm
Post by: mattie2009 on August 15, 2012, 08:18:55 pm
Post by: Zangi on August 15, 2012, 08:19:10 pm
UPDATE IS LIVE!Make the problem worse, keep trying to get in after each fail.
Post by: Scelly9 on August 15, 2012, 08:19:25 pm
Post by: Zangi on August 15, 2012, 08:26:28 pm
ARGH IT WONT START DAMMITI actually got into some updater: Ready in 1 Second... 18 Seconds, 19 Seconds, 20 Seconds, 21 Seconds, 24 Seconds, 2 hours now.
Post by: Metalax on August 15, 2012, 08:27:25 pm
Quote
Removed player penetration from The Pomson 6000 and boosted the damage to compensate
No more multi kills :(.
Post by: TherosPherae on August 15, 2012, 08:35:11 pm
UPDATE IS LIVE!UPDATE IS MASSIVE!
Seriously though I don't expect anyone to be able to play MvM within the next hour or two, given how busy the Steam servers are and how big the update is.
Wait a second....
ARCHIMEDES IS AN ITEM NOW.
DO WANT.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 15, 2012, 08:36:18 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on August 15, 2012, 08:39:15 pm
It is such a happy ding for telling me the game is unavailable, almost smug you could say.It's so happy. I guess that's nice of Valve to design the bearer of bad news to be happy about delivering it?
Post by: HailFire on August 15, 2012, 08:41:29 pm
Update is XBOX HUEG (nearly a gigabyte), so hopefully there'll be some other pleasant surprises waiting for us in there.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 15, 2012, 08:46:59 pm
>Doesn't get a good number of servers ready for playing the new gamemode
Ugh.
Post by: Metalax on August 15, 2012, 08:48:39 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 15, 2012, 08:52:11 pm
>Steam releases massive update for popular gameWe have reached the point in time where everything going to shit on the launch of a highly anticipated new thing isn't something to grudge about. They probably tripled their servers and still don't have enough. Not to mention playing now or tomorrow morning isn't a big difference in a F2P game.
>Doesn't get a good number of servers ready for playing the new gamemode
Ugh.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 15, 2012, 09:01:09 pm
Post by: mattie2009 on August 15, 2012, 09:02:19 pm
>50 servers full, 0 Empty/Active
Post by: MrWiggles on August 15, 2012, 09:06:58 pm
The traffic for the game will go back down over the next couple of weeks, without having to waste so much money on extra serves that they'll have to take down after the initial excitement.
Post by: mattie2009 on August 15, 2012, 09:10:35 pm
EDIT: 80 now
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 15, 2012, 09:15:45 pm
Also seems even the Mann-Up peeps can't play yet
Post by: Putnam on August 15, 2012, 11:30:42 pm
Post by: HailFire on August 15, 2012, 11:33:47 pm
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 16, 2012, 12:02:07 am
Post by: Neyvn on August 16, 2012, 12:08:27 am
Post by: Zangi on August 16, 2012, 12:13:39 am
Post by: HailFire on August 16, 2012, 12:14:06 am
Post by: Ninteen45 on August 16, 2012, 12:26:45 am
Post by: Enzo on August 16, 2012, 12:51:14 am
Meh, seeing as I couldn't join a co-op... I ended up trying the versus. I sucked horribly at it.
That's kind of to be expected, your first time playing... Just play medic and heal everybody until you figure out what's going on. Or try the training missions.
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 16, 2012, 12:58:16 am
Anyways, forgoing Co-op until tomorrow (today?). I'm not waiting 28 minutes for a single round of Co-op.
Post by: TherosPherae on August 16, 2012, 01:29:14 am
It was hilariously fun, but only having 6 rounds made it incredibly short. And the massive number of people trying to get into MvM servers bogged me down with lag until it eventually force-disconnected me. :|
I just got into another round now, so I shall bring more news of it sometime soon.
Post by: LASD on August 16, 2012, 02:37:47 am
My knee did slightly jerk when I read about it, but mostly because it doesn't include a "Season Pass" sort of thing. I don't like paying small amounts of money for consumable things, but I'm fine with paying a larger sum to get something permanent.
I don't know anything about the co-op yet, as the queues are still over 20 minutes. At the low point of online Steam users. Eep, this evening won't work out for Valve at all, I expect.
EDIT: It started loading a map, so I stopped the stream I was watching to get the 20 minutes over with, alt-tabbed back and I was disconnected and the error was off screen. It kicked me out and
Post by: Blizzlord on August 16, 2012, 02:43:54 am
I don't know anything about the co-op yet, as the queues are still over 20 minutes.My opinion in a nutshell.
Also, I find it ok for them to do the payment exclusive things as long as they stay cosmetic. I was hoping for new weapons but it looks like there are none to get.
Post by: Omegameep on August 16, 2012, 04:02:50 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 16, 2012, 04:05:17 am
MvM matchmaking is offline, hope they're increasing the number of MvM serversI'm pretty sure most of the servers are community servers, and valve has no real control about it.
Post by: Blizzlord on August 16, 2012, 04:05:26 am
Post by: Omegameep on August 16, 2012, 04:15:54 am
Sorry about that,I didn't get to properly read the pop-up announcement when a heavy and medic combo is coming to the last pointMvM matchmaking is offline, hope they're increasing the number of MvM serversI'm pretty sure most of the servers are community servers, and valve has no real control about it.
Post by: Enzo on August 16, 2012, 05:09:29 am
Super fun.
Sticky Launcher is OP. Up the damage rate and reload speed + critboost. Destroy all the robots.
Heavy is pretty useful. Penetration + critboost.
Spy is, unfortunately, pretty crap in this mode. But whatever.
Post by: ank on August 16, 2012, 05:11:53 am
I understand valve has to make money from all the free players, or the players that bought the game for 5 bucks, but dammit! i already bought this game!
The ONLY thing i ever got from buying the game was the Veteran badge.
I think anybody who bought the game should get periodic free Tickets/Keys for the stupid crate.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 16, 2012, 05:15:40 am
What annoys me about the Pay To Play scheme is that i bought the damn game at full price back when it came out.And the proof of purchase.
I understand valve has to make money from all the free players, or the players that bought the game for 5 bucks, but dammit! i already bought this game!
The ONLY thing i ever got from buying the game was the Veteran badge.
I think anybody who bought the game should get periodic free Tickets/Keys for the stupid crate.
Also, it's not pay to play, as there is no gameplay locked, nor any advantage with buying things. Sure you can look smug in your new hats, and maybe get weapons a little faster.
Then again, I'm not against freebies.
Post by: Xotes on August 16, 2012, 05:17:50 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 16, 2012, 05:20:50 am
I want to love MvM, I really do, but it keeps crashing my game every few waves in. Until it gets fixed, I can't even play it.The server overload and most issues will probably be fixed in the next few days.
Also 8k people on waitlist. In total there are only a thousand servers.
Post by: Xotes on August 16, 2012, 05:22:19 am
The server overload and most issues will probably be fixed in the next few days.
Also 8k people on waitlist. In total there are only a thousand servers.
I know it'll get fixed, but it still hurts to have great fun playing a few waves and then BAMPH, SORRY, TIMES UP YER CRASHED.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 16, 2012, 06:57:51 am
What annoys me about the Pay To Play scheme is that i bought the damn game at full price back when it came out.Why?
I understand valve has to make money from all the free players, or the players that bought the game for 5 bucks, but dammit! i already bought this game!
The ONLY thing i ever got from buying the game was the Veteran badge.
I think anybody who bought the game should get periodic free Tickets/Keys for the stupid crate.
For you personally, how many hours have you played the game?
I've played over 600 hours. For the sake of argument, lets say the game cost 60 bucks. (I think its fair to assume that for most of us, TF2 did not cost us 60 bucks) So that 10 cents per hour of play. Thats ridiculously cheap of investment. Yet, for some reason, Valve owes you more? And never mind, all the free content they've given you in the interim over the years. No, Valve stills owes you more, because sometime in the past, you spent a few bucks on them? And lets remember that that money, you spent on them a bit a go, is long and spent by valve, and you've probably costed them money to actually play the game with continued development cost for new content for the game, and infrastructure cost. Unless you happen to be buying from the MannCo store on a fairly regular basis.
This kind of arbitrary limitless entitlement crap, bugs me.
Post by: umiman on August 16, 2012, 07:14:55 am
That cost $50 at release and it had 5 games inside. So even if they were all valued equally, he only paid $10. Which is only $5 more than what most people paid for it. Even then the game didn't go free to play until last year, so he got 4 years of "exclusive" access for that price.
Clearly $2.50 a year is just too high a price to pay.
Post by: debvon on August 16, 2012, 07:18:11 am
Post by: cameron on August 16, 2012, 07:21:32 am
Post by: Blizzlord on August 16, 2012, 07:25:37 am
"Gee, I've really had a fun time with this free game. If only there was a way to show my appreciation the the development team... Oh wait, there is! I can go to this Mann Co. store and buy a hat or a supply crate key to support the games future development. What an amazing idea!"
/personal opinion
Post by: umiman on August 16, 2012, 07:26:57 am
I've put almost 2,000 hours into this game. I bought it when it was released and briefly got into the competitive scene, but didn't enjoy that AT ALL. I'm glad I paid for it, the game was worth what I paid at the time (which wasn't much). However I wouldn't spend a cent on it in its current form. I really can't stand all of this vanity crap and the added, needless complexity. It's like they're trying to string along a bunch of slow adults with short attention spans by releasing poorly designed hats, weapons, and.. everything. I want an official Vanilla Mode, or at least an easy way to prohibit any item released after the community item flood gates were opened. It's just too much, it's no longer as enjoyable. Am I alone with this opinion?No, not really. I think it's kinda over the top as well. I think the peak for me was about the engie update. But it's mostly because I can't tell what the hell is going on any more and can't be arsed to follow along the neverending updates.
I'm very worried DotA 2 is following the same fate. It's not even released yet and sometimes I can't even identify what hero I'm fighting against. What with giant feathery hats and octopus heads and completely different models.
Post by: LASD on August 16, 2012, 10:14:36 am
I've put almost 2,000 hours into this game. I bought it when it was released and briefly got into the competitive scene, but didn't enjoy that AT ALL. I'm glad I paid for it, the game was worth what I paid at the time (which wasn't much). However I wouldn't spend a cent on it in its current form. I really can't stand all of this vanity crap and the added, needless complexity. It's like they're trying to string along a bunch of slow adults with short attention spans by releasing poorly designed hats, weapons, and.. everything. I want an official Vanilla Mode, or at least an easy way to prohibit any item released after the community item flood gates were opened. It's just too much, it's no longer as enjoyable. Am I alone with this opinion?
I'm quite happy with everything that's added. It doesn't really matter that much what the other people are using as nothing is broken or way more powerful than something else. Only thing that lessens my enjoyment is the people that are so much better than me that I feel I don't have a chance against them, which hasn't ever changed.
"More toys is more fun" is pretty much my feelings toward all the weapons that keep piling up. I love a game that keeps changing fundamentally, I don't like playing a static thing forever. If that makes me a slow adult with a short attention span, then fine. Though I think things staying the same forever is way easier for those people.
P.S. Dear Valve, your crap is broken. Still over half an hour of wait time and we're only closing in on peak hours.
EDIT: Okay, this sort of bugs me. Boot Camp is community servers, Mann Up is Valve servers? Feels like Valve isn't even making an effort to let people play their new game mode, if they only support their 0.74€ per mission thing with servers.
Post by: TripJack on August 16, 2012, 10:25:50 am
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 16, 2012, 10:32:13 am
Post by: LASD on August 16, 2012, 10:33:32 am
Blah blah
I'm sorry, but that was kind of offensive and not at all constructive discussion. No point flaming here, we're all nice people.
Post by: Errol on August 16, 2012, 11:05:06 am
BTW I did invest about 5€ into the game, came into it when it was F2P. I do not see any particular toxicity on any of the servers I frequent, and having played LoL before, that's a good thing.
Post by: PTTG?? on August 16, 2012, 11:15:26 am
I really am looking forward to playing some coop next time I have a LAN.
Post by: Bluerobin on August 16, 2012, 01:44:19 pm
Post by: Enzo on August 16, 2012, 01:56:39 pm
That's actually related to my main question: has anyone seen how MvM plays with fewer than 6 players? I'd like to play on LAN with friends, but I don't have 5 other people I can trick into playing TF2, so it's likely we'd end up with 4 or 5 players total.
Playing last night, one player dropped out halfway through our last map. Some of the later waves get really tough if you're short a player because you just can't DPS fast enough (TWO tanks? What is this madness?).
EDIT: Wait, that's not right. The only reason we won is that the game bugged out and kept the wave going after the bomb had detonated, with the giant smoking crater just chillin out. Confusion and hilarity ensued.
Post by: Tilla on August 16, 2012, 02:18:28 pm
Post by: Errol on August 16, 2012, 03:00:06 pm
Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol is pretty crap though, and you need one of the melee weapons that actually does damage with this setup. So many opportunities to just waltz right over and bat people to death. So I am basically thinking BFB, stock pistol/mad milk, stock bat/candy cane.
And I guess I can never go back to playing regular scout, too, he'd just feel so sluggish...
Post by: cerapa on August 16, 2012, 03:20:02 pm
And I guess I can never go back to playing regular scout, too, he'd just feel so sluggish...The upside is that if you play regular, then you will likely be very accurate and have good reflexes in comparison to the speed.
Post by: kaenneth on August 16, 2012, 03:49:53 pm
Post by: UltraValican on August 16, 2012, 04:03:49 pm
Is it fun guys? :'(
Post by: Scelly9 on August 16, 2012, 04:31:22 pm
Post by: Neyvn on August 16, 2012, 04:37:42 pm
Heavy + Medic + Scout + Engie
Heavy needs to get the Projectile rebound thing.
Medic needs for Heals and Uber and canteen sharing.
Scout needs for Collecting Cash, lots and lots of cash. Getting the Bonus for getting all the cash is game changing.
Engie needs for Sentry/Dispensers.
Last 2 can be Demo and Soldier for best use. Demo for Sticky Traps and Soldier for Buff Banners...
Annoyingly, Valve gave away best Combo in their Vid...
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 16, 2012, 04:50:24 pm
Tried to play, pressed "start search" nothing happens.It's fun, but wait times are 15 minutes at minimum.(When steam is depopulated) They go up from their to 30 minutes and more
Is it fun guys? :'(
Post by: Dermonster on August 16, 2012, 05:05:40 pm
You have not lived.
Post by: coolio678 on August 16, 2012, 07:24:15 pm
I've tried playing both competitive and MvM, but MvM has been saying wait times of 50 minutes and up, and normal has been loading up until about 4 bars from the last dot on 'loading...' and doesn't budge. It sucks, so I'll give tf2 a little wait before trying again.Tried to play, pressed "start search" nothing happens.It's fun, but wait times are 15 minutes at minimum.(When steam is depopulated) They go up from their to 30 minutes and more
Is it fun guys? :'(
Post by: kaenneth on August 16, 2012, 08:01:46 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 16, 2012, 09:36:31 pm
I've tried playing both competitive and MvM, but MvM has been saying wait times of 50 minutes and up, and normal has been loading up until about 4 bars from the last dot on 'loading...' and doesn't budge. It sucks, so I'll give tf2 a little wait before trying again.Tried to play, pressed "start search" nothing happens.It's fun, but wait times are 15 minutes at minimum.(When steam is depopulated) They go up from their to 30 minutes and more
Is it fun guys? :'(
If you're having troubles with the searching feature, just look for MVM maps through the server list. Literally cuts the waiting time down to minutes, though the only thing harder than finding a server with less than six people in it is finding one with good ping...
Post by: Ninteen45 on August 16, 2012, 10:45:45 pm
Core need for MvM.
Heavy + Medic + Scout + Engie
Heavy needs to get the Projectile rebound thing.
Medic needs for Heals and Uber and canteen sharing.
Scout needs for Collecting Cash, lots and lots of cash. Getting the Bonus for getting all the cash is game changing.
Engie needs for Sentry/Dispensers.
Last 2 can be Demo and Soldier for best use. Demo for Sticky Traps and Soldier for Buff Banners...
Annoyingly, Valve gave away best Combo in their Vid...
Actually 4 medics 2 pyros.
You aren't going try-hard enough.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 16, 2012, 11:30:54 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on August 17, 2012, 12:47:41 am
[prefacing my statement with the fact I have yet manage to play a game of it]Obviously your all wrong, the correct way to do it is all engies all the time, miniturrets and the shotgun oh crits.
Yeah. From what I've seen Engies are awesome in MvM. Lots of mooks to mow down, and the ability to upgrade the clipsize of your frontier justice makes you very deadly once your gun dies.
Pity none of the games I've played have been won. I'd love a cantine.
Also, if you want to cut back on the wait time, and can spare a buck, buy a ticket to an official server. Wait for those is 5-6 minutes tops. I've played three games on one ticket, because eventually we will hit a very hard wave and a good sized chunk of the party will ragequit making victory impossible. Mixed blessing of sorts.
Post by: HailFire on August 17, 2012, 12:57:34 am
Post by: TherosPherae on August 17, 2012, 01:51:34 am
It is beautiful. You can customize your loadout to counter whatever enemies are coming next (see: buying explosive resistance for a wave full of Demos), and still maintain the flexibility to really play it however you want. You can even do silly yet practical stuff like maximizing the firing rate on... just about anything, really. It's a really nice game for pissing around with a bunch of buddies.
My one regret is that they didn't add in any form of scaling. Someone disconnects because of the massive load the servers are getting? Tough muffins, you're still getting the full wave. This also pretty much prevents you from doing solo MvM for practice or just because you want to mow down robots without dealing with the queue. Regrettable, but understandable given the limitations that trying to scale it would entail.
Okay so I have one other regret, and that is Mannworks is basically hell to defend on. There's no real chokepoints and no real path the robots have to take - sometimes they'll just take the shortest route to the drop and sometimes they'll mosey around for half an hour. You never know, and since an engineer is generally a vital player in MvM, it gets nigh-impossible to determine where your sentry should go to get the most out of it. If you want to play on a map and get a real challenge, play a challenge wave on Mannworks. If you just want to goof around and watch a Scout break the sound barrier, play pretty much any wave set on Decoy or Coaltown.
Post by: Tyler6498 on August 17, 2012, 10:49:35 am
Nessie's Nine Iron end game:
100% increased damage
40% increased attack speed
100hp on kill (Luckily it over-buffs)
Crits for 2 seconds on Kill (I didn't max this but it was enough to kill 3-4 instantly after killing a minion)
I also buffed out his bullet resistance to 75% and fire resistance to 100% Thanks to the targe's awesome defensive perks.
Post by: Putnam on August 17, 2012, 12:01:20 pm
67.60.82.240:27015
(Yeah, it's a listen server, but it works)
Post by: Matz05 on August 17, 2012, 12:10:53 pm
EDIT: The message is:
LAN servers are restricted to local clients (Class C).
Post by: Putnam on August 17, 2012, 12:11:43 pm
EDIT: fixed
Post by: Matz05 on August 17, 2012, 12:15:24 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 17, 2012, 12:18:35 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 17, 2012, 12:24:40 pm
LAN servers are restricted to local clients (Class C).
Post by: Putnam on August 17, 2012, 12:25:13 pm
Post by: Matz05 on August 17, 2012, 12:25:19 pm
Fakeedit: Ninjas
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 17, 2012, 12:26:18 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 17, 2012, 12:31:20 pm
EDIT: appears to have worked. Try it.
Post by: Matz05 on August 17, 2012, 12:33:57 pm
Hop on everyone! (Note: Not everyone can play in a 6 player co-op. First come first served, offer void where prohibited.)
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 17, 2012, 12:35:53 pm
Edit: My computer decide a spontanous crash was in order.
Post by: Putnam on August 17, 2012, 12:56:27 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 17, 2012, 12:59:04 pm
My ISP decided it would be a good idea to black out on me.Still down or back up already?
Post by: Putnam on August 17, 2012, 12:59:32 pm
If I'm posting, it's back up.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 17, 2012, 01:02:20 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 17, 2012, 01:06:09 pm
I've had this problem for MONTHS, and when we finally got some people to come fix it, they replaced EVERYTHING and it STILL ISN'T WORKING. Never mind, I can't do a fucking thing here.
(interesting fact: people join servers I host even if they can't know the IP; I've had at least one person join an SMP server I was hosting exclusively for myself on a whim)
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 17, 2012, 01:08:51 pm
Use a password if you want to have exclusiviness.
Post by: Putnam on August 17, 2012, 01:13:24 pm
Post by: TripJack on August 17, 2012, 02:26:22 pm
not really sure what they were thinking releasing such an unfinished update
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 17, 2012, 02:30:06 pm
new mode is pretty lame, bugs galore and no difficulty scaling by number of playersI have seen no bugs yet. It just seems that there's a serious overloading of servers at the moment.
not really sure what they were thinking releasing such an unfinished update
Also, difficulty scaling by players is quite hard to do.
Post by: TripJack on August 17, 2012, 02:33:17 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 17, 2012, 02:43:12 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 17, 2012, 03:02:55 pm
Like 15 seconds ago.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
Winner of Best Overall will be flown to Valve for a filmmaking session with Valve's Source Filmmakers, and have the chance to see their work aired on GTTV's VGA preshow this December.
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/ncis3o/gt-tv-valve (http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/ncis3o/gt-tv-valve)
Post by: Sonlirain on August 17, 2012, 03:22:37 pm
new mode is pretty lame, bugs galore and no difficulty scaling by number of playersI have seen no bugs yet. It just seems that there's a serious overloading of servers at the moment.
not really sure what they were thinking releasing such an unfinished update
Also, difficulty scaling by players is quite hard to do.
Scaling is not THAT hard. Just a simple algorithm.
1 player on = Spawne x bots
2 players on = spawn 2x bots
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6 players on = spawn 6x bots
Post by: The Scout on August 17, 2012, 03:30:15 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on August 17, 2012, 04:10:39 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 17, 2012, 05:12:01 pm
And the possible foreseeing issues with 32-man servers holding six players max, focusing on filling servers instead of half-server runs.
Post by: Zangi on August 17, 2012, 05:15:41 pm
6 players = Base
Could throw in an easy -.10 on numbers, hp and damage output for each player less then 6... or -.05... but yea, you get the idea...
Anyways, I've still yet to play the new co-op and am already bored of versus.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 17, 2012, 05:19:03 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on August 17, 2012, 06:15:51 pm
Post by: The Scout on August 17, 2012, 06:19:59 pm
Edit: Well, if you guys do get something going, I'm Nyan Soldier on Steam. Or join the DFC chat.
Post by: Akhier the Dragon hearted on August 17, 2012, 06:21:51 pm
Starting with my last post and going back there are 6 people who I am sure could do fairly well together in a game of MvM including yourself. Now I don't know if we are friends (nor anything about what you think of the other four) , I could just be that creepy guy that pops up on your livestream occasionally but at least we know each other enough that we have played multiplayer games together in the past. The problem isn't necessarily people its scheduling at this point.
Post by: DJ on August 19, 2012, 08:41:20 am
Post by: Oliolli on August 19, 2012, 08:53:20 am
Kinda irritating.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 19, 2012, 09:41:49 am
Is it just me or is this too hard? I'm fighting a deflector heavy, 2nd wave, and I die when he's not even halfway to the bomb chute. I mash h, but by the time I'm out of the spawn house he's already dropping the bomb down the chute.Depends, where you playing one of the advanced modes?. Those are rather hard if you're not playing with 6 peoples and don't have any good tactics.
So apparently very few servers have the latest update in place. Out of all my tries, only one didn't end in "The server you are trying to join is running an older version of the game."Browse servers manually. The autojoiner is extremely slow, and tends to put you into outdated servers as it detects those as being empty.
Kinda irritating.
Post by: DJ on August 19, 2012, 09:57:52 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 19, 2012, 10:02:33 am
Dunno what the difficulty was. And yeah, we had 6 people, but 3 engies which proved kinda useless against the giant heavy. I used demoknight (IMO better than sticky demo vs small robots), and the pills didn't really do much even with one level of damage upgrade.Having a pyro is always good, especially if you have a medic to back him up. Tears through small bots, and can airblast bots out of their detonation sequence(and with max upgraded airblast, a fair bit away.) It does get problematic if you have no one to back him up, as then he tends to die before getting within range.
It's also fun to airblast the bombcarrier into a pit.
Post by: Blizzlord on August 19, 2012, 10:07:12 am
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on August 19, 2012, 10:31:23 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 19, 2012, 10:46:42 am
You really need some good tactics to win this.
Post by: Errol on August 19, 2012, 11:08:50 am
Engiecamping works until the sentry buster comes in. That thing looks ridiculous.
On another note, this mode is great fun and the bots aren't half bad themselves.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 19, 2012, 11:14:00 am
Actually, an army of ninety-six archer bots is also... well, fuck. Especially with support from those surprisingly competent Robo-Spies.
Engiecamping works until the sentry buster comes in. That thing looks ridiculous.
On another note, this mode is great fun and the bots aren't half bad themselves.
Sentries busters are not that dangerous. Pick up sentry, move. Engiebases tend to be devastated when you get giants supported by medics though. (Rapid fire demo, soldier, or a Heavy with lot's of backup.) Nor are the spybots, who just take advantage of everyone being otherwise occupied.
Post by: miauw62 on August 19, 2012, 11:32:15 am
Sentry busters = airblast.
Pyro hordes are pure rape.
Post by: mainiac on August 19, 2012, 12:28:13 pm
Post by: Errol on August 19, 2012, 01:27:44 pm
And, well, Spybots aren't so bad when you expect them, because then they're obvious. It's when they are unexpected, then they tend to get at least one kill. And they sap faster than you can wrench, and that's stupid when he's standing behind the sentry in a corner.
Hell anything is scary once massed, but having to handle a tank AND a regular attack wave, at the same time? Ugh.
(I eventually solved that problem by going Engineer, placing a sentry at the entrance and letting it rape the tank to half life or so before the actual wave came in.)
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 19, 2012, 05:51:11 pm
That just rapes bots. Especially scout-bots.
Post by: The Scout on August 19, 2012, 05:53:46 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 19, 2012, 06:23:22 pm
Post by: Knirisk on August 19, 2012, 06:29:37 pm
In another game, I picked up my BRASS BEAST and a bunch of points in damage, ammo, and penetration. With a bit of ammo, the Brass Beast is great for taking out tanks, and with the penetration, great for taking out hordes of slower enemies. With a bit of teamwork, you can really stack up mini-crits using the Buff Banner, Jarate, etc. The Kritzkrieg is actually useful on this map, too.
Post by: Neyvn on August 20, 2012, 02:57:26 am
Engiecamping works until the sentry buster comes in. That thing looks ridiculous.(http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/821)
Post by: miauw62 on August 20, 2012, 04:23:15 am
I have got cabered more then once by that thing, trying to airblast it away.
Pyro is badass against anything thats not a pyro or a giant pyro or a heavy.
Giant rapidfire demo? Circlestrafe
Giant charged soldier? Reflect.
Demo hordes? W+M2+M1
I think a fully upgraded flamethrower can kill alot of things by just burning them ONCE. double burn time and doubled burn strenght is not something to be taken lightly.
Post by: Blargityblarg on August 20, 2012, 04:36:16 am
Yeah, first person view of the sentry buster is hilarious.
I have got cabered more then once by that thing, trying to airblast it away.
Pyro is badass against anything thats not a pyro or a giant pyro or a heavy.
Giant rapidfire demo? Circlestrafe
Giant charged soldier? Reflect.
Demo hordes? W+M2+M1
I think a fully upgraded flamethrower can kill alot of things by just burning them ONCE. double burn time and doubled burn strenght is not something to be taken lightly.
That'd be 240 damage - that'd kill any class but the Heavy. (players, that is, IDK if the robots have different health, haven't been able to play yet)
Post by: miauw62 on August 20, 2012, 04:47:29 am
The methane menancer
The assburner
The farting fire
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 20, 2012, 05:05:45 am
Robots have less health, so yes, that will kill any class but the giants, who have a lot of health.Yeah, first person view of the sentry buster is hilarious.
I have got cabered more then once by that thing, trying to airblast it away.
Pyro is badass against anything thats not a pyro or a giant pyro or a heavy.
Giant rapidfire demo? Circlestrafe
Giant charged soldier? Reflect.
Demo hordes? W+M2+M1
I think a fully upgraded flamethrower can kill alot of things by just burning them ONCE. double burn time and doubled burn strenght is not something to be taken lightly.
That'd be 240 damage - that'd kill any class but the Heavy. (players, that is, IDK if the robots have different health, haven't been able to play yet)
Post by: Errol on August 20, 2012, 05:13:43 am
I think a fully upgraded flamethrower can kill alot of things by just burning them ONCE. double burn time and doubled burn strenght is not something to be taken lightly.
Why not do the same thing, but with the Detonator? >:3
Post by: Blizzlord on August 20, 2012, 05:15:03 am
Incorrect. The normal robots have the same amount of health as the ordinary classes, with the exception of the demoknight which suffers no health penalty for carrying the Eyelander and the Steel gauntlet heavy, which has 900 hp.Robots have less health, so yes, that will kill any class but the giants, who have a lot of health.Yeah, first person view of the sentry buster is hilarious.
I have got cabered more then once by that thing, trying to airblast it away.
Pyro is badass against anything thats not a pyro or a giant pyro or a heavy.
Giant rapidfire demo? Circlestrafe
Giant charged soldier? Reflect.
Demo hordes? W+M2+M1
I think a fully upgraded flamethrower can kill alot of things by just burning them ONCE. double burn time and doubled burn strenght is not something to be taken lightly.
That'd be 240 damage - that'd kill any class but the Heavy. (players, that is, IDK if the robots have different health, haven't been able to play yet)
Because the TF2 Official wiki is a credible source. (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Robots)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 20, 2012, 05:24:32 am
But minicrits are sorta wacky. If you get a horde of bots with the stuff the game starts lagging for some reason associated with minicrits. It really diminishes the usefulness of the stuff and you may as well just have a scout paint one target at a time for minicrits.
Post by: miauw62 on August 20, 2012, 06:40:13 am
Post by: DJ on August 20, 2012, 06:40:45 am
Post by: The Scout on August 20, 2012, 06:52:40 am
Post by: Elu on August 20, 2012, 07:35:08 am
And also the possibility to nitpick high priority targets. As a machina sniper i managed to get rid of all the heavies and giant things all alone, well until the 4th wave(then everything was pyro'd)...
And even then carefully sniping the medics can degrade a chain-ubered baseraping heavy to a possibly jarated heavy.
Dem piros however, are a pain in the soul. too fast to snipe them all, too flaming to take them on melee, too hot to simply run away.
Post by: Knirisk on August 20, 2012, 08:00:38 am
Dem piros however, are a pain in the soul. too fast to snipe them all, too flaming to take them on melee, too hot to simply run away.
This is the amusing part where demoknights come in handy. They're a bit worse in the early levels, but once you get 4 seconds of crit on kill and some attack speed/damage, they start snowballing any time they get a kill. Basically, since even the pyros usually follow a set pathing like lemmings, I just one-shot them in a line with the Zatoichi. So far, I've only ever been able to get past wave 5 of the Mannworks map through use of a demoknight, mostly because of the steel gauntlet heavies. A demoknight can two- or three-shot the steel gauntlet heavies because of quadruple damage crits. I would recommend the Zatoichi for demoknight, though, because the Eyelander gives you less health per kill.
Post by: miauw62 on August 20, 2012, 08:42:39 am
Post by: Satarus on August 20, 2012, 11:34:27 am
Post by: Oliolli on August 20, 2012, 12:01:29 pm
Sounds good :-\
Post by: cerapa on August 20, 2012, 12:36:45 pm
Post by: cameron on August 20, 2012, 01:03:21 pm
I am not convinced that the zatochi is better than the eyelander as in my experiance with the health on kill upgrades I end up overhealed most of the time anyway with the added bonus of increased range, speed and base health.
Post by: The Scout on August 20, 2012, 05:51:40 pm
Post by: coolio678 on August 20, 2012, 06:56:50 pm
the persian persuader seems like it'd be worse in mvm than the eyelander or the zatochi, because it's only 150 to upgrade charges and the robots don't drop metal.but you don't need to sink money into kill health for the zatochi. That and it's a mofo katana.
I am not convinced that the zatochi is better than the eyelander as in my experiance with the health on kill upgrades I end up overhealed most of the time anyway with the added bonus of increased range, speed and base health.
Post by: mainiac on August 20, 2012, 09:03:01 pm
Post by: Knirisk on August 21, 2012, 02:15:01 am
But there's no way to get an increase in max health for the zat. It's getting that first kill that's dangerous. Once you are wading in a sea of enemies you are basically invincible so the hard part is getting there. Eyelander heads help you get the combo started. Plus health from kills gives you overheal while zat only heals you up to max health.
Hmm. I recognize the merits of both the Zatoichi and the Eyelander. However, I would lean in favor of the Zatoichi because you don't need to purchase overheal, so you can put more points into attack speed and damage, so it's better earlier on. The Eyelander might be better later on, but I enjoy wading into a crowd of bots and just smashing them to bits. For one thing, I lose enough health that the Zatoichi is more like gaining 150 health, which is more than the Eyelander's health from kills. Of course, the Zatoichi doesn't scale in terms of power and speed like the Eyelander does, but you can also lose the Eyelander's benefits. Overall, I would say that the Zatoichi is lower-risk lower-reward, while the Eyelander is the opposite. I just prefer the safer bet.
Also, I can't believe how few scouts use the Sandman/Mad Milk/Force of Nature combo. With a decent team, you can eliminate the giant robots so easily. Permanent mini-crits from the Mark of Death? Yes, please! (I think they're permanent anyway. They last a dang long time.)
Post by: miauw62 on August 21, 2012, 02:59:22 am
Post by: Enzo on August 21, 2012, 04:35:47 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 21, 2012, 04:41:21 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 21, 2012, 04:43:07 am
A pyro is usefull too, especially on coaltown. Blowing the bombcarrier into a mining pit is just fun.
Medic is not essential, but a well timed uber can save the battle.
Post by: Siquo on August 21, 2012, 04:44:22 am
Post by: jester on August 21, 2012, 05:42:55 am
Post by: The Scout on August 21, 2012, 05:49:24 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on August 21, 2012, 06:11:58 am
And the fact your medic can heal you faster then any other method anywhere, and can constantly crit/uber you.And if it's a crit medic, he can work together with a demoman to lay down carpets of crit stickies before the round starts.
Post by: mainiac on August 21, 2012, 06:58:34 am
Overall, I would say that the Zatoichi is lower-risk lower-reward, while the Eyelander is the opposite.
That sounds like a good assessment to me.
I think I take the opposite position because I keep getting on teams that need to try again and again at the later waves. That makes the riskier proposition more attractive as that extra reward can push you over the top.
Post by: miauw62 on August 21, 2012, 07:01:17 am
Post by: The Scout on August 21, 2012, 07:17:09 am
Post by: Siquo on August 21, 2012, 08:41:44 am
Edit: This guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUVsGRTu9QU is doing it Wrong, though. It's a shotgun, and you should get at least half as close as this.
Post by: The Scout on August 21, 2012, 08:52:06 am
Post by: jester on August 21, 2012, 10:50:41 pm
Post by: Satarus on August 23, 2012, 10:37:58 am
Post by: Elu on August 24, 2012, 04:28:53 am
then i tried FaN scout with mad milk and candycane, maxing the latter speed and damage of the FaN, then adding some health on kill and clip size.
And i am become scoot, destroyer of bots. Sure, if i blindly run toward a pyro blob i'm as dead as a stupid scout running toward a pyro bob, but barring that and the occasional rocket spam i'm good, it seem to me a high risk high reward class.
And a class that can run circles around heavies and dodge pipes...
Post by: mainiac on August 24, 2012, 06:56:49 am
Post by: PTTG?? on August 24, 2012, 02:43:06 pm
Post by: The Scout on August 24, 2012, 03:22:29 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 24, 2012, 03:46:57 pm
A soldier with the Beggar's Bazooka gets pretty crazy. Add a kritz medic and he'll wipe a whole wave out. But he's largely useless in the long run.
???
Soldiers are mean monsters in this mode. Banner pretty much adds 50% more damage to everyone thanks to no damage falloff and the bison just damages everything, even if for 16x3 damage a shot. His rocket jumping mobility allows you to pull off crazy bomb saves if you are good enough.
Post by: The Scout on August 24, 2012, 03:51:59 pm
Simplified version. At first, he lays down good damage, but runs out of ammo quickly. Later on, PEW PEW MOTHER FUCKER!
Post by: kilakan on August 24, 2012, 09:00:12 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 24, 2012, 10:48:23 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 25, 2012, 07:07:09 am
I dont really know how much damage i do as pyro. Most of my kills come from axetinguishing giants and melee hoovies.
Other then that, i set hoards on fire and my friends finish them off.
Post by: Satarus on August 27, 2012, 11:39:33 am
Post by: Cecilff2 on August 27, 2012, 11:42:00 am
I've been having a serious problem with connecting to the item servers as well as some of the multiplayer servers. Anyone have any idea as to why I can not connect to the store and item server? Oh and my firewall is turned off for the game and it still will not connect
I have the item server go out during the most difficult mannup modes right at the end. So it doesn't see you as having the ticket anymore and hence doesn't award you the completion. It's pretty awesome.
Post by: Satarus on August 28, 2012, 03:24:13 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 28, 2012, 03:59:48 pm
Post by: Markus on August 28, 2012, 08:00:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQIN7xplArM&feature=player_embedded
Post by: Hiiri on August 28, 2012, 08:22:47 pm
Are there only the 3 MvM maps?
3 MvM maps with 3 different missions each, yes.
Post by: Techhead on August 28, 2012, 08:24:12 pm
Eh, to add to the beggars bazooka stuff...That's beautiful. Wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQIN7xplArM&feature=player_embedded
Post by: Knirisk on August 29, 2012, 12:51:03 am
Eh, to add to the beggars bazooka stuff...That's beautiful. Wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQIN7xplArM&feature=player_embedded
Never have I wanted the Gunboats so badly.
Post by: Elu on August 29, 2012, 05:09:54 am
Never have I wanted the Gunboats so badly.
Really? i will give you them
Post by: Repulsion on August 29, 2012, 06:21:56 am
Post by: mainiac on August 29, 2012, 07:07:52 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 29, 2012, 01:41:14 pm
And ugh, i'm feeling nooby with pyro. I cant seem to break the skill ceiling anymore.
Post by: Knirisk on August 29, 2012, 02:09:26 pm
I'm pretty sure that video was about 20% skill and awesome and 80% going up against incompetent opposition. There were a lot of empty spots on that map that should have had enemies or sentries in them, making me think someone was playing on nearly empty servers or against really green opponents.
It still looks like hella amounts of fun, coming from a guy who plays quite a bit of enjoyable Demoknight. :P
Post by: The Scout on August 29, 2012, 04:02:13 pm
Post by: Enzo on August 30, 2012, 03:28:19 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 30, 2012, 03:32:17 am
But sure, whats your steam name? Mine is simply Miauw, avatar is the same as here on the forums.
EDIT:
TF2 logic. (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7m7nqzvOU1r4f8koo1_1280.jpg)
Post by: Zangi on August 30, 2012, 11:07:12 am
So, I just played my first pub MvM match. Unsurprisingly, with a good team of people I know Mann Up is a cakewalk, with a bunch of random people who don't know what they're doing the easiest mission is a total gongshow. Never again. Playing on a team of fools is 1000% more frustrating than PvP, because you can't even do well on your own, it's just win or lose. If anyone around NA West wants to play some MvM let me know, or add me to Steam. We need to organize some B12 teams. I'm down for Mann Up too, if anyone is interested in that.If I may suggest... if L4D2 is any indication... You do not want to play Easy or Normal mode co-op with PUGs, ever. Especially when it still requires cooperation. Advanced/Expert, you will actually get people that are in those skill levels... most of the time anyways. Still, you gotta be at that skill level yourself too...
Post by: Thexor on August 30, 2012, 11:11:36 am
So, I just played my first pub MvM match. Unsurprisingly, with a good team of people I know Mann Up is a cakewalk, with a bunch of random people who don't know what they're doing the easiest mission is a total gongshow. Never again. Playing on a team of fools is 1000% more frustrating than PvP, because you can't even do well on your own, it's just win or lose. If anyone around NA West wants to play some MvM let me know, or add me to Steam. We need to organize some B12 teams. I'm down for Mann Up too, if anyone is interested in that.If I may suggest... if L4D2 is any indication... You do not want to play Easy or Normal mode co-op with PUGs, ever. Especially when it still requires cooperation. Advanced/Expert, you will actually get people that are in those skill levels... most of the time anyways. Still, you gotta be at that skill level yourself too...
Sadly, not entirely. Most pubs simply click the "any mission" button, which means there's every chance they'll be thrown into Advanced missions.
The best teams are in Mann Up mode, which features both a higher level of difficulty and a cash entry fee... but that gets expensive, fast.
Post by: Enzo on August 31, 2012, 03:58:44 am
I know I said never again, but I joined a pub MvM tonight, normal difficulty Coaltown with fairly balanced looking classes and they just lost wave after wave.
Got a group of friends together and played the same mission, 5 soldiers 1 engie. Completely destroyed, never came close to losing a wave. One rocket jumper solly, even. With many of the same people I beat an advanced mission with a team including 3 demoknights a night or two before. Played 3 Mann Up matches, probably lost 2 waves between all of them.
Basically, random-team MvMs are infinitely frustrating. With a good team it's a joke. I'm not sure how I feel about this revelation.
Post by: miauw62 on August 31, 2012, 04:02:57 am
Post by: Zangi on August 31, 2012, 07:01:37 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 31, 2012, 07:15:29 am
Post by: Matz05 on August 31, 2012, 01:00:26 pm
Post by: Duke 2.0 on August 31, 2012, 01:04:36 pm
Post by: Elu on September 01, 2012, 08:19:57 am
I'd love to team up with you guys and do some MvM, if there is place in your team for a pyro.me too. anyone up for a match?
Post by: miauw62 on September 01, 2012, 09:12:51 am
Steam name is miauw, avatar same as here.
Not going to spoil anything, but the last part of the last wave of the endurance mission is nigh impossible. A group of actually very good pubs, a friend and me tried it 10 times and failed equally many times.
SPOILERS ALERT!
Spoiler: last part of last wave (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Scout on September 01, 2012, 08:07:40 pm
Post by: Enzo on September 02, 2012, 01:21:05 am
It takes a coordinated team to make sure nobody damages the medics first though. I can only imagine the frustration of having a team where one guy just won't listen...
Post by: miauw62 on September 02, 2012, 04:16:15 am
Post by: Errol on September 02, 2012, 07:16:20 am
The trick with uber medics is: DO NOT HIT THEM UNLESS IT WILL 1-HIT-KILL THEM. They pop in reaction to taking damage (rather than autopopping when they're fully charged) so spraying them with boolits or lighting them on fire just means they'll turn invincible and whoever they're escorting will dispose of you. Really effective is dropping a stickytrap, letting the giant bot pass, and then detting when the medics are all overtop of it.
It takes a coordinated team to make sure nobody damages the medics first though. I can only imagine the frustration of having a team where one guy just won't listen...
I tend to try that with Demo, but one Medic always survives the stickies.
Lochnload grenades, on the other hands... these things are like explosive, volatile, missable win. Hit one, boom, five bots dead. Has some problems with a wave almost entirely consisting of beefcakes though *shudder*
Post by: miauw62 on September 02, 2012, 08:29:54 am
We had to retry only 3 times.
Post by: The Scout on September 02, 2012, 09:02:45 am
Post by: cerapa on September 02, 2012, 09:20:50 am
Post by: Oliolli on September 02, 2012, 10:33:54 am
Post by: The Scout on September 02, 2012, 10:34:41 am
Post by: cerapa on September 02, 2012, 11:51:14 am
And a tank doesnt move fast enough for direction to matter, you pretty much just get 4 hits. A super scout moves fast enough though, so you can get a ton of hits if you shoot from the right angle.
Post by: Strange guy on September 02, 2012, 11:59:50 am
Post by: Blargityblarg on September 03, 2012, 09:23:45 am
I think I like this game mode.
Post by: TherosPherae on September 04, 2012, 12:43:49 am
That last round; many mittens were burned, many rockets reflected, and three tanks destroyed. Also, I think we burned through a solid 20 uber canteens. At least.
I just do not have words for how much fun that was.
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 05, 2012, 06:50:19 pm
Post by: miauw62 on September 08, 2012, 07:22:45 am
Either way, to not let this thread die:
What is your favorite class in terms of personality?
Mine is soldier. Soldier has the awesomest personality of all classes.
Post by: Tyler6498 on September 08, 2012, 09:15:19 am
Post by: mainiac on September 08, 2012, 09:19:01 am
Post by: Elu on September 08, 2012, 10:42:15 am
What is your favorite class in terms of personality?ingame: soldier... MAGGOTS
fluff-wise: engie...
Post by: Blizzlord on September 08, 2012, 02:18:35 pm
Otherwise, the scouts voice is just made of pure awesome.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on September 08, 2012, 02:25:55 pm
"We've got you surrounded, at least from this side!" = best quote evar"I am not trapped in a facility full of robots. You are all trapped in here with me!"
Post by: Tidal on September 08, 2012, 02:47:14 pm
Post by: Keltiknight on September 08, 2012, 07:50:56 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 08, 2012, 07:52:27 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on September 08, 2012, 10:24:50 pm
I haven't been playing too long, but I get a cathartic smile when the heavy starts laughing maniacally when you've been firing nonstop for awhile.
Or when you blow up a bunch of buildings... KABOOM!
This was not the clip I was looking for, but I still have to post it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHgEnN2PFzo)
Post by: miauw62 on September 09, 2012, 03:02:05 am
The soldier wins this by the sheer silliness of his responses. (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Soldier_responses)
Otherwise, the scouts voice is just made of pure awesome.
"I am a robot, bloop, what is love?"
My mind automatically added a "baby dont hurt me, dont hurt me, no more" in there.
Oh, this is now my favorite (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/f/f4/Soldier_DominationMedic04.wav)
Post by: Enzo on September 09, 2012, 04:44:35 am
This was not the clip I was looking for, but I still have to post it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHgEnN2PFzo)
Oh gods, that video is a classic. I crack up at 1:07 every time.
Soldier is hilarious, but for some reason I love the sniper. Even though I am a terrible sniper.
"Feelin's? Look mate, you know who hasalot o'feelins? Blokes what bludgeon their wife to death wif a golf trophy." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NZDwZbyDus&t=1m01s)
Also, the spy, simply for this panel (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/d/d4/Bombinomicon_01.jpg). Really I find the "sane" characters funnier.
Post by: Oliolli on September 09, 2012, 05:01:46 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 09, 2012, 05:14:45 am
I'd say Heavy. He is so... simplistic. He can take delight in the smallest of things, like killing a dozen people in a dozen seconds.To be fair, he sounds/is much smarter in Russian. Has a literature degree and stuff.
Post by: Enzo on September 09, 2012, 05:36:28 am
I'd say Heavy. He is so... simplistic. He can take delight in the smallest of things, like killing a dozen people in a dozen seconds.To be fair, he sounds/is much smarter in Russian. Has a literature degree and stuff.
According to poker night...oh, poker night. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFAMTBxJ8yM)
Post by: Tyler6498 on September 10, 2012, 05:04:15 pm
This is probably the most awesome example of demoknighting ever!
Post by: Markus on September 10, 2012, 06:16:41 pm
I think this one's better. :D
Post by: Sonlirain on September 10, 2012, 07:33:41 pm
Stat wise he's strong smart has great aim and can repair things on top of that.
The problems? Aside of hating 2 (great) russian mercs and being hated by some of the best medics... he sounds like a lobotomized retard despite having a average wisdom stat. (this also makes him fun to have just for his quotes).
Basically... heavy is a smart chap but since he's not really talented with english he resorts to primitive battle cries and taunts he probably can't even understand.
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 11, 2012, 12:08:54 am
That, and I can protect my engies from sentries by keeping the Sentry busters suspended in midair unable to move, and cheese the giants with medics by blasting those medics away. Maxing out airblasting is a must now, it can't be ignored, and that's easy when it's so cheap.
I'm a newer player, so of course this is old news to more experienced players, but to me this is astounding because I'd only ever see the occasional pyro blasting the bomb carrier to reset their route, and that made me think it was some high level technique that's not used often. From my experimentation though, it's the opposite, you can troll the robots by repeatedly forcing them to redo their route over and over and over again. I did it six times in a wave, it was awesome. And when I'm not blasting them to reset the bomb, I'm blasting the bomb carrier and entire groups of them backwards to earlier in the level; I once pushed the bomb from the hatch all the way back to the enemy spawn. Take that!
Instant new favorite. I just wish that airblasting worked better on giant bots rather than just bounce them in the air for a second, which doesn't even faze them.
I even had fun with some random guys, and we formed a four-man pyro patrol, and with two engies we steamrolled over that mission.
Now I'm starting to wish there were giant campaign missions you could participate in with many more waves, cause now the medium difficulty missions are too easy for me, but the advanced difficulty ones are still horrendously difficult, and I want the difficulty to keep ramping on the medium missions so I can keep putting my upgraded stuff to good use rather than having to start over again. I'd even like to keep going so long that I might eventually max out every stat. Some sort of infinite mode would be awesome, that starts off simple but keeps getting harder and harder would be awesome.
Post by: miauw62 on September 11, 2012, 12:48:56 pm
Recently i have found a very powerfully upgraded grenade launcher to be very amusing.
Post by: Cecilff2 on September 12, 2012, 03:45:27 pm
Yeah, it sucks that you cant ever upgrade to full, i never usually BOTHER with secondaries.
Recently i have found a very powerfully upgraded grenade launcher to be very amusing.
fully upgraded loch is hilarious. Max fire speed, damage, and reload speed and you have a 200-250 damage rapid fire grenade launcher.
Post by: miauw62 on September 16, 2012, 07:56:06 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 16, 2012, 11:46:35 am
Post by: Errol on September 16, 2012, 11:53:53 am
Yeah, it sucks that you cant ever upgrade to full, i never usually BOTHER with secondaries.
Recently i have found a very powerfully upgraded grenade launcher to be very amusing.
fully upgraded loch is hilarious. Max fire speed, damage, and reload speed and you have a 200-250 damage rapid fire grenade launcher.
With ridiculous AoE.
This assumes you can hit things, though.
Post by: Spinal_Taper on September 21, 2012, 10:15:37 pm
Post by: mainiac on September 21, 2012, 10:37:02 pm
Post by: miauw62 on September 22, 2012, 06:46:45 am
Not a bad one either. Waste of skill to only being able to play on 24/7, instarespawn 32 player turbine because vanilla rotation servers are always empty. But hey, its still fun either way, and suicide axe is great on
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 22, 2012, 09:13:53 pm
I was getting kinda bored with how people just ragequit when they lose, or just quit for no reason, and leaves the rest of the team high and dry, at the mercy of the matchmaker. I was getting so frustrated with it that I was thinking of just quitting.
Then I got a really awesome team on an advanced difficulty (not sure which one) on Mannworks. I've been getting the most practice in with Pyro so that's what I went with, because nobody seems to approach bomb resetting and airblasting as seriously as I do, which is super important to keeping the bots preoccupied so your team can slowly strangle the life out of the relentless robot army. And man, I must have reset the bomb 30 or 40 times when everything was said and done.
But my teammates were really great, able to handle their own as we slogged through the advanced difficulty waves one after the other. I think after many missions I've finally found what my ideal Pyro build is: being a fast (all speed) airblasty (all airblast) type of hit and run pyro that relies on strategic ambushes as the bots are distracted to deal significant damage, quickly running away to recoup, airblasting to keep the bots eternally preoccupied, and only running in where there's little risk. Canteen = ubercharges for desperate last second pushbacks when things go awry, as their wanton to do.
It was the first time I've ever completed an advanced difficulty mission, and not only that, I got the Engine Block achievement since the bomb never reached the hatch area once! I was super hyped about that.
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 22, 2012, 09:24:25 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 22, 2012, 09:46:32 pm
I'd like to see an upgrade for the flamethrowers range. I always go for burn damage, so I can go in and light all the bots up and then hightail it out of there, but getting the fire nicely spread out takes so long that I die before I can finish. :-\
Hence why I chose speed, it allows you to run from your hiding place and into the fray just that much faster. Also, a certain amount of finesse is necessary to be able to gauge exactly what is drawing the robot's attention the most. If you're the only threat, it's a very bad idea to try to fry them since they'll all turn their focus on you and you'll be dead in an instant. However, if there's a heavy or a sentry that's drawing their fire, feel free to spring from your hiding place and just fry them from behind, and then use your speed to spring back into your hiding place before the next group of enemies spawns behind you. Though sometimes you really have to throw yourself into suicidal situations for the benefit of the team, it's unavoidable at times but that's what the ubercharge canteens are for.
Speed is also great for traversing the map quickly and grabbing health and ammo during the brief lulls in combat, since the very most I'll put into improved ammo capacity is one point just for convenience, and I don't like ammo refill canteens since sometimes they wind up being a waste of money when I have to throw them away for ubercharge canteens.
I also usually put a single point into health on kills, since it overheals you slightly if you're doing really well, and it can heal you enough to let you drag yourself out of dangerous situations and avoid having to respawn. It also lets you go toe-to-toe with scout hordes, since you'll be killing them so quickly you can just stand in the thick of them and not have to worry about dying, excepting the occasional freak accident. However, never more than a single point though, just as a substitute for an actual medic.
And of course, just ambushing as they pass around corners can get huge numbers of enemies on fire before they can react to your presence, and it's really easy and effective.
Post by: miauw62 on September 23, 2012, 06:09:47 am
Tough if you are dealing with a giant deflector heavy, you cant stab more then three medics.
My brother recommends using your eternal reward. I may try that.
Post by: Enzo on October 11, 2012, 04:49:13 am
KA-BOOOOooooooooooooom
Post by: miauw62 on October 11, 2012, 10:10:23 am
Post by: Duke 2.0 on October 11, 2012, 10:24:55 am
Or both at the same time.
Post by: miauw62 on October 11, 2012, 10:26:47 am
Post by: lordcooper on October 16, 2012, 07:39:25 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 16, 2012, 12:02:23 pm
Post by: The Scout on October 24, 2012, 03:54:57 pm
Aka click spy's head.
Post by: Metalax on October 24, 2012, 06:45:34 pm
Raccoons are invading.
Post by: The Scout on October 24, 2012, 07:22:03 pm
Post by: Enzo on October 24, 2012, 08:40:31 pm
I wonder what map it'll be on. I'm hopong for Spookleus.
Post by: NobodyPro on October 26, 2012, 03:37:57 am
Pirates or monkeys next? (Maybe a wave of medieval-themed content?)
Post by: DJ on October 26, 2012, 04:55:32 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 26, 2012, 07:11:44 am
Oh, and Merasmus and zombie MvM are cool and all, but they just can't compete with hats.
Post by: Metalax on October 26, 2012, 07:29:21 am
Robots --> Zambies --> ?
Pirates or monkeys next? (Maybe a wave of medieval-themed content?)
Obviously it will be Robot Zombie Mutant Monkey Ninja Pirates... from Space!
edit: And linky (http://www.teamfortress.com/blizzbobarrabas/) to the event details.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 26, 2012, 08:05:45 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 26, 2012, 08:07:02 am
Post by: Metalax on October 26, 2012, 08:44:18 am
Post by: HLBeta on October 26, 2012, 03:32:22 pm
You know what I'm most happy about this new update? Presents are now private, so the mad scramble when one spawns will no longer exist, meaning that I might be able to pick up more than one prize this year.
This just became my favorite Halloween event. Loved last year's costumes but hated trying (and failing) to actually get last year's costumes.
Post by: Metalax on October 26, 2012, 03:48:55 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 26, 2012, 03:50:34 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on October 26, 2012, 04:26:38 pm
Now these potion things sound really, really neat. I just hope they don't go overboard.
Post by: Metalax on October 26, 2012, 06:15:30 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on October 26, 2012, 06:20:01 pm
Post by: Metalax on October 26, 2012, 09:25:32 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also randomness on point capture can result in wierdness.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: LASD on October 27, 2012, 04:10:42 am
LASD, get on here and change the title teaser to "Omnomnomnom Brains! So Feeling!"
Wow, I totally forgot I can do that. No idea how, after like 100 changes, but thanks for reminding.
I'll get to the event later today and maybe I'll change it again! Or maybe there's a werewolf behind you gnawing on your hat! Scary! No, it's a Demoman wearing a werewolf's skin trying to steal your hat! Horrifying!
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2012, 04:02:57 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2012, 04:45:02 pm
Best part is that I got the winning hit by airblasting the last bomb carrier into a pit.
And while I feel awesome, it's weird that there's no achievement for it.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 29, 2012, 05:15:09 pm
Post by: The Scout on October 29, 2012, 05:16:29 pm
Post by: Mageziya on October 30, 2012, 09:47:35 pm
I knew they were considered hard, I read the warning, but
SWEET PICKLING JESUS.
THEY ARE HARD.
I just finished my first Geargrinder mission, the coal town mission.
Took three tries. Try 1: From wave 1, 6 hours, had to leave due to running out of RL time. Try 2: From wave 1, 2 hours, made it to the final wave, everyone ultimately left people left, NO ONE CAME FOR HALF AN HOUR. gave up. Try 3: came in at wave 5/7. Since I didn't throw all my money into canteens, was able to focus everything into a godly brass beast. Floored 'em (The bots) with the team. Final wave with 5 people (Including me.), but ultimately success.
Now for the other two Geargrinder missions.
Don't know if I should say FML or LET'S DO THIS!
Post by: Metalax on November 02, 2012, 01:56:56 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also update has just made it easier to kill Merasamus.
Quote
MERASMUS! has leveled up at WizardCon!
"The Skull Island Topper" now tracks the highest level of Merasmus the owner has helped defeat
Increased Engineer, Scout, Pyro and Heavy damage against Merasmus
Increased Soldier and Demoman damage against Merasmus while he is in hiding
And just after I managed to finish wave 666,
Quote
Added more credits to Caliginous Caper, Wave 666
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 02, 2012, 03:00:36 pm
Having trouble even finding a full server.
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 02, 2012, 03:34:53 pm
Finally managed to finish Wave 666.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also update has just made it easier to kill Merasamus.QuoteMERASMUS! has leveled up at WizardCon!
"The Skull Island Topper" now tracks the highest level of Merasmus the owner has helped defeat
Increased Engineer, Scout, Pyro and Heavy damage against Merasmus
Increased Soldier and Demoman damage against Merasmus while he is in hiding
And just after I managed to finish wave 666,QuoteAdded more credits to Caliginous Caper, Wave 666
After hearing about the update, I went to go beat it again. I got paired with a really good team right off the beat and demolished it, but the extra 1000 creds (6000 total spread across your team) really makes a huge difference. I'd even go as far as to say it doesn't deserve it's difficulty rating of Nightmare anymore since now I can pretty much afford every mission critical upgrade right at the start without having to make any hard choices. Plus, because you have more upgrades now, you're spending less on canteens over the course of the mission since now you don't need to compensate for weakness or get forced to do desperate pushbacks as often. Since you're not spending as much on canteens, you can buy even more upgrades now, in this case for me I maxed out health regeneration which is really nice to have, but not critical like others. I ended the mission with an extra 4000 creds. When I beat Caliginous Caper for the first time, I was barely scraping by just for crits and uber canteens till the very last second, and was having to frantically make desperate but necessary quick decisions at the shop all throughout the mission. This just feels too relaxed now, IMO.
I always question changes like that, because it might make the accomplishments of people after the update feel invalid compared to before when it was harder, and that has the potential to divide up your fan base which is never a good thing.
Post by: Mageziya on November 03, 2012, 08:47:50 pm
NOTE: I think the botkillers you get are based off playtime in NON-MvM. Sniper is my most played class, and I got a Sniper Rifle. It makes sense, since you are often forced into a class to play MvM and you wouldn't want to do all that work for a weapon you would never use.
Post by: Enzo on November 04, 2012, 02:45:19 am
A Diamond Sniper Rifle. Now, most of you might find that as crappy, but no, I play sniper a lot so it is AWESOME!
A diamond Sniper Rifle is worth 10 keys, btw, making it an incredibly valuable and sought-after item. Also congrats on beating hellmode! My group can never pull enough people together, I've still only beaten the one mission of it.
NOTE: I think the botkillers you get are based off playtime in NON-MvM. Sniper is my most played class, and I got a Sniper Rifle. It makes sense, since you are often forced into a class to play MvM and you wouldn't want to do all that work for a weapon you would never use.
This is an interesting theory, since my first botkiller was my most-played class too. It's probably just luck, though, I think someone would have noticed the pattern if it was 100%.
Post by: miauw62 on November 04, 2012, 06:29:34 am
E: Nvm, looks like i can get a silver or golden one.
That is, if i manage to complete that goddamn decoy mission. Anyone got any tips? (my usual classes are pyro and spy).
Post by: Enzo on November 04, 2012, 06:52:41 am
That is, if i manage to complete that goddamn decoy mission. Anyone got any tips? (my usual classes are pyro and spy).
If you're playing Pyro and Spy in MvM the best advice is to have good teammates because you're playing a purely supportive role. Sap/Airblast bomb-carriers (which can be super helpful, don't get me wrong) and possibly seek out money since you're on the frontlines, and try to help out with general damage, but beyond that your team has to do the heavy lifting.
Err, regarding the advanced decoy mission specifically, get a wrangled sentry on the center building after the initial chokepoint, and a stickybomb demo nearby. There are lots of melee bots, and these two will wreck them. Kritz medic helps a lot, you can lay a spread-out kritz stickytrap before each wave. Get a teammate that gives minicrits and one that applies the slow effect because both are super useful (scout can do both, and grab all the money if he's good). Kill the quickfix medics first, ignore the giant pocket. If you have high damage output this is actually one of the easiest maps, since the big targets funnel through the choke right at the beginning.
Post by: miauw62 on November 04, 2012, 06:56:46 am
But i'll keep it in mind. I dont really have a team to work with ATM.
*mayby* a friend still has one mann up ticket left.
E:
Any tips upgrade-wise? (again, pyro spy and mayby demo)
Post by: Metalax on November 04, 2012, 07:48:54 am
If your team has a good medic you can skip/delay the health on kill. If you still have funds that you are not spending on canteens, afterburn damage/duration can be good as you can ignite a whole swarm of bots and have them burn to death before they can get too far, only issue with this is that it results in the money being more spread out for collection.
Post by: miauw62 on November 04, 2012, 10:01:26 am
E:
Sadly, when trying the first coaltown mission, i got in a bad team. This adbandon function sucks.
Post by: Mageziya on November 04, 2012, 08:56:30 pm
It will specify when you are abandoning, and when you are just normally leaving.
Post by: Cecilff2 on November 05, 2012, 10:20:14 am
This is an interesting theory, since my first botkiller was my most-played class too. It's probably just luck, though, I think someone would have noticed the pattern if it was 100%.
I've gone through several tours.
4 botkiller wrenches(Silver, Silver, Gold, Rust) and a scattergun(Silver)
Engie is my most played class (Combat engy is fun)
I really don't want any more wrenches...
Post by: miauw62 on November 05, 2012, 01:28:21 pm
Mini-sentries all the way. These things kick some serious ass. Except against pyros.
Post by: PTTG?? on November 05, 2012, 02:46:27 pm
Post by: Descan on November 05, 2012, 03:38:34 pm
Post by: Metalax on November 05, 2012, 07:10:40 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have to say that the gifts being individualized, rather than first come, first grab, has reduced the frustration enormously this year.
Post by: TherosPherae on November 08, 2012, 01:22:06 am
The collection, it is completed!It also increased gift farming by a hilarious amount. There are servers you can join where a script will just teleport you around to all the gift spots and let you idly farm an unlimited number of gifts while you do other things.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have to say that the gifts being individualized, rather than first come, first grab, has reduced the frustration enormously this year.
So just like the idling days of yore, except coated in voodoo-cursed novelty fish instead of weapons and hats.
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 20, 2012, 09:44:02 am
I've been experimenting, and while Pyro is still my best class, I enjoy playing Demo alot more. I mean, I just discovered the joy of sticky jumping, so of course, yeah.
That, and I really enjoy how versatile they are, being able to go just vanilla, full defense with stickies, a heavy melee build, and everything inbetween. First class that I used all four loadout save slots.
Also, I've been practicing rocket jumping with the soldier, and while I initially thought it was patently inferior to sticky jumping, it's now obvious that it just has a much higher skillgate before it actually starts becoming useful. I'm still terribad at it, but it's alot of fun when I get going.
Post by: Neyvn on November 20, 2012, 02:42:22 pm
"How does that Pyro keep getting behind us all the time?!?!"
Sadly I forgot that I carry Axetinguisher around for a reason. Else I would have died less...
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 20, 2012, 03:23:08 pm
But I keep dying! I'm starting to think this subclass just isn't meant to handle this game mode.
But the thought always strikes me... "What if I just need a bit more practice?" and then it's a neverending cycle of frustration. I just want to hit things with a sword.
Post by: Enzo on November 20, 2012, 04:13:29 pm
So I'm SOMEHOW SOMEWAY trying to make a demoknight work in MvM.
But I keep dying! I'm starting to think this subclass just isn't meant to handle this game mode.
But the thought always strikes me... "What if I just need a bit more practice?" and then it's a neverending cycle of frustration. I just want to hit things with a sword.
It's totally viable, just not for the first couple of waves. You kind of have to depend on pills and teammates until you get enough money for a few key upgrades. But once you do, you can wreck shit.
1) The Targe is better than the Screen for the free damage resistance, way more important in MvM.
2) The Eyelander gets to max heads at no time at all, at which point you move almost as fast as a scout (and have extra health). The Zatoichi is tempting but you can get upgrades to fill up your health on kill, and the upgrades provide overheal.
3) Crits on kill + Health on kill first. Then boost damage and attack speed, run speed and resistances as it suits you.
4) Who needs a scout? You're fast, in the middle of things, and can charge. Free up a slot for another support or damage class.
Maybe not the absolute best class, but certainly viable and oh god it's fun.
Post by: Putnam on November 20, 2012, 06:24:27 pm
So I'm SOMEHOW SOMEWAY trying to make a demoknight work in MvM.
But I keep dying! I'm starting to think this subclass just isn't meant to handle this game mode.
But the thought always strikes me... "What if I just need a bit more practice?" and then it's a neverending cycle of frustration. I just want to hit things with a sword.
Zatoichi + Crits on kill
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 20, 2012, 10:15:02 pm
So I'm SOMEHOW SOMEWAY trying to make a demoknight work in MvM.
But I keep dying! I'm starting to think this subclass just isn't meant to handle this game mode.
But the thought always strikes me... "What if I just need a bit more practice?" and then it's a neverending cycle of frustration. I just want to hit things with a sword.
Zatoichi + Crits on kill
The only thing I don't like about the Zatoichi is that it doesn't have the extended reach of the eyelander or the skullcutter.
After giving it another go with a Targe, bootlegger, and eyelander demoknight, and this time with a more conservative approach of hiding around corners and running away when injured, I've been semi-successful! I do very much enjoy the perks the eyelander gives you, what with the extra health and speed it gives you, plus max speed upgrades, I'm zipping around like nobody's business. Got 28 heads once before getting ginked by a spy. I still don't feel I was as effective as I could have been doing something else, but it WAS my excellent speed + charge that allowed me to run to base real fast and save us from a scout that broke the line and was about to sink the bomb.
Then with a completely maxed out weapon and crit canteens, I was doing just under 400 for every swing to the tank at the end.
Then again, it was on Doe's Drill, which is like Baby's First MvM. I guess you gotta start somewhere though.
Post by: baruk on November 23, 2012, 07:47:00 pm
Here's a sample round (I've also been dabbling with this shiny new replay editor thing):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJwdHsXZd3A
Post by: Blargityblarg on November 23, 2012, 08:13:01 pm
So I'm SOMEHOW SOMEWAY trying to make a demoknight work in MvM.
But I keep dying! I'm starting to think this subclass just isn't meant to handle this game mode.
But the thought always strikes me... "What if I just need a bit more practice?" and then it's a neverending cycle of frustration. I just want to hit things with a sword.
Zatoichi + Crits on kill
The only thing I don't like about the Zatoichi is that it doesn't have the extended reach of the eyelander or the skullcutter.
After giving it another go with a Targe, bootlegger, and eyelander demoknight, and this time with a more conservative approach of hiding around corners and running away when injured, I've been semi-successful! I do very much enjoy the perks the eyelander gives you, what with the extra health and speed it gives you, plus max speed upgrades, I'm zipping around like nobody's business. Got 28 heads once before getting ginked by a spy. I still don't feel I was as effective as I could have been doing something else, but it WAS my excellent speed + charge that allowed me to run to base real fast and save us from a scout that broke the line and was about to sink the bomb.
Then with a completely maxed out weapon and crit canteens, I was doing just under 400 for every swing to the tank at the end.
Then again, it was on Doe's Drill, which is like Baby's First MvM. I guess you gotta start somewhere though.
I've heard that Demoknight is most effective on the Mannworks maps.
Post by: Enzo on November 23, 2012, 09:16:25 pm
COOL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hluOWGFZktg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hluOWGFZktg)
SAD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NCERdh_-j4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NCERdh_-j4)
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 06, 2012, 01:59:39 pm
In other news, apparently there was some sort of Steam update today that introduced a thing call Big Picture which is this snazzy thing that makes your Steam'ing experience that much more nicer looking, if needlessly intrusive and complicated, but it also seems to have disabled my ability to trade things in TF2 somehow. This really upsets me, if only because I hate looking like an idiot wanting to trade with someone, and then having to go "Sorry, my backpack's been locked up for some reason!"
And am I alone in feeling that normal multiplayer is really difficult to get into? I usually only do MvM, cause MP is just so deeply unforgiving, often filled with people who's caliber of skill is just too high to coexist with. I had to quit when my experience just started devolving into "Spawn, die, spawn, die, spawn, die instantly...".
It doesn't help that the maps feel like labyrinths in comparison to MvM ones.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on December 06, 2012, 02:03:39 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 06, 2012, 02:05:59 pm
MvM is not a good intro to MP. It teaches you that your character is a one-man killing machine, and that most opponents won't try to dodge or shoot back.
If you're still having trouble, consider signing up for the coaching system, where an experienced player will help you learn the ropes. I've never used it myself, but supposedly it's useful.
Post by: Enzo on December 06, 2012, 04:27:49 pm
Otherwise, general advice for learning the ropes:
I would advise against playing against bots, because they don't behave like real players at all. The highest difficulty bots are basically a really dumb player with aimhacks.
Valve and Skial servers, for whatever reason, seem to have the lowest average skill level. To the point where I can't play on them because it doesn't feel fair.
Pick one or two classes, not spy or sniper, and focus on learning their strats.
MP maps are quite a bit more complex than MvM maps, but some way more than others. Steel and Nucleus are much more confusing than, say, Coldfront or Turbine. 5CP and CTF actually have simpler layouts on average, I'd say. Payload maps could be good since they tend to force the players to stick together moreso than other gametypes, so you can avoid engaging in 1v1 fights.
Watch this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hizuSDQepSo)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 06, 2012, 04:35:52 pm
If you want to play with others it's nice to try out medic. You are always looking at what more experienced players are doing, your team overall is stronger for whatever you do and you don't need to learn the offensive aspect of the game. Just learning where you can move with a medium survivable guy, the lesson of always sticking with other dudes always and what can kill you in moments.
And never. Stop. Moving.
Post by: jester on December 06, 2012, 05:02:17 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 06, 2012, 05:51:31 pm
I'll coach you Josh! I've never used the coaching system, it might be fun. Never had the desire to coach a complete random person though.
Otherwise, general advice for learning the ropes:
I would advise against playing against bots, because they don't behave like real players at all. The highest difficulty bots are basically a really dumb player with aimhacks.
Valve and Skial servers, for whatever reason, seem to have the lowest average skill level. To the point where I can't play on them because it doesn't feel fair.
Pick one or two classes, not spy or sniper, and focus on learning their strats.
MP maps are quite a bit more complex than MvM maps, but some way more than others. Steel and Nucleus are much more confusing than, say, Coldfront or Turbine. 5CP and CTF actually have simpler layouts on average, I'd say. Payload maps could be good since they tend to force the players to stick together moreso than other gametypes, so you can avoid engaging in 1v1 fights.
Watch this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hizuSDQepSo)
I'll have to take you up on your coaching offer Kinseti. Though not today, I have a bit of a headache from getting oneshotted by everything under the sun ten times in a row.
Having an army of giant robots descend on you from the bowels of hell is relaxing compared to this.
Post by: Korbac on December 06, 2012, 06:12:00 pm
I have been able to battlemedic my way to victory many times using this.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 06, 2012, 06:31:48 pm
Alot of the Saxxy vids are frickin genius. I can't believe just the tremendous lineup of excellence that's showcased in these vids.
In other news, apparently there was some sort of Steam update today that introduced a thing call Big Picture which is this snazzy thing that makes your Steam'ing experience that much more nicer looking, if needlessly intrusive and complicated, but it also seems to have disabled my ability to trade things in TF2 somehow. This really upsets me, if only because I hate looking like an idiot wanting to trade with someone, and then having to go "Sorry, my backpack's been locked up for some reason!"
And am I alone in feeling that normal multiplayer is really difficult to get into? I usually only do MvM, cause MP is just so deeply unforgiving, often filled with people who's caliber of skill is just too high to coexist with. I had to quit when my experience just started devolving into "Spawn, die, spawn, die, spawn, die instantly...".
It doesn't help that the maps feel like labyrinths in comparison to MvM ones.
Oh boy, tablets are needlessly expanding into yet another place they were unneeded and unwanted.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 06, 2012, 06:35:16 pm
Oh boy, tablets are needlessly expanding into yet another place they were unneeded and unwanted.
Are you talking about Big Picture? It's designed for television, not tablets. So I guess that Steam is trying to expand into the console space then? Who knows.
Post by: Rose on December 07, 2012, 02:34:48 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on December 07, 2012, 04:26:44 pm
Oh boy, tablets are needlessly expanding into yet another place they were unneeded and unwanted.
Are you talking about Big Picture? It's designed for television, not tablets. So I guess that Steam is trying to expand into the console space then? Who knows.
Eh, fine. TVs make sense, what with the steambox coming up.
Post by: LoSboccacc on December 07, 2012, 04:53:34 pm
Post by: Metalax on December 12, 2012, 02:11:29 pm
http://steamcommunity.com/games/TF2/announcements/detail/1749911340423921973 (http://steamcommunity.com/games/TF2/announcements/detail/1749911340423921973)
http://steamcommunity.com/market/ (http://steamcommunity.com/market/)
Post by: Thexor on December 12, 2012, 03:16:25 pm
Heck, between the 15% transaction fee, and the limited purchasing power of the Steam Wallet, I'd be very surprised if big-ticket purchases were ever moved into the market. If someone's selling a Burning Team Captain, or whatever the ultra-expensive unusuals are, they'll still probably be using a third-party system.
Post by: Thexor on December 12, 2012, 07:56:29 pm
Now that real money is available, I expect metal will become useless unless Valve pushes some changes. Maybe if the metal -> hat recipe had a ~1% chance of generating an unusual, making it valuable among gamblers. Or the metal -> hat recipe was made cheaper, so you could convert metal into masses of low-value hats and maybe turn a profit. Or a metal -> crate recipe, with a chance of generating a salvaged crate. Or even a painfully expensive metal -> key recipe. Something to make Refined useful again.
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 13, 2012, 06:58:31 am
Post by: PTTG?? on December 13, 2012, 01:35:07 pm
That's the only thing I can think of which wouldn't warp the economy pretty bad. At $0.50 dollars a refined, an unusual hat would drop from $170 expected cost to... 300*0.5... actually, that would be pretty much the same in broad numbers.
Post by: Enzo on December 13, 2012, 04:09:21 pm
3 Refined-> A grab bag, which is effectively one free normal drop. It could be a hat, a crate, a weapon, or anything else you could get dropped on you.
I don't understand. How on earth would that make it more valuable considering the 3 Ref -> Hat/Misc recipe that already exists?
Post by: Putnam on December 13, 2012, 05:45:15 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 17, 2012, 11:51:46 pm
It was fun, though when he makes the little popup that says 'Look here!' alot of the time the popup is obscuring the thing he wants me to look at.
Post by: Enzo on December 18, 2012, 12:01:33 am
Go To -> Cart
Go To -> Cart
Pro coaching skills 8)
The coaching HUD is kind of tricky to use though. It's like sniping, which I'm bad at. If you miss by a little bit it'll tell the person to go to the other side of the area, rather than the friendly medic I'm trying to click on. It was fun, though.
Post by: Metalax on December 19, 2012, 11:01:38 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/mechaupdate/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/mechaupdate/)
New Comic (http://www.teamfortress.com/shadowboxers/)
Edit: Reading the comic, is it just me or has Pauling become a lot more assertive/capable over the comics since first being introduced?
Post by: PTTG?? on December 20, 2012, 12:43:34 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 20, 2012, 04:56:14 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 20, 2012, 05:06:28 pm
So when is it updating?
"Soon".
Which means sometime between today and ~9 years from now. (https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time) ;)
Post by: Metalax on December 20, 2012, 05:33:43 pm
Post by: Enzo on December 20, 2012, 05:37:59 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 20, 2012, 06:15:09 pm
If it follows past trends it should be sometime tonight ie within the next 4-6 hours or so.
...apparently, you're right. The patch notes were posted ~25 minutes ago, so I guess we're just waiting for the update to go live. :o
Post by: Metalax on December 20, 2012, 06:29:45 pm
edit: slowness due to it deciding it's going to update every other Source engine game at the same time.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 20, 2012, 08:34:43 pm
Finally. A new demoman unlock that's actually a gun.
...and it is: A crappy gun! Look at all the lack of surprise I have.
My first two unlocks were a Strange Festive Axtinguisher and a Strange Festive Ubersaw. With any luck, these might be worth something substantial. The other three unlocks were two festive fish and and a festive bow, which might be a nice sale as well. Anyone know the price of these things?
Post by: Enzo on December 20, 2012, 10:00:11 pm
Also, too early to call exactly how much festives will be worth, but if last year is any indication the stranges will be super valuable.
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 21, 2012, 02:41:02 am
The new robot Engineers are real pains in the ass, always spawning in secluded spots away from the action so they have time to set up, possessing two or three times the health of a normal engie, and have lightning fast build times for their sentries and teleporters. While the sentries are annoying, the teleporters are lethal in that they move up the spawn point and seemingly speed up how fast things spawn rapidly. They only seem to have the weakness in that they have a glowing pillar that appears to make themselves conspicuous when they spawn. Needless to say these guys need to be taken down as soon as possible. I love'em.
On a spur of the moment, I got some of my friends and Kinseti to tackle the new map, and we roll right over the normal difficulty Bigrock mission, then try advanced. We get our asses thoroughly kicked, only reaching the second wave, before doing the normal one again. In fairness, my three friends that were there with me don't take TF2 very seriously, so they're kind of doomed on any difficulty above intermediate.
So in the time since it's been released, I've done the normal Bigrock mission four times (pyro, spy, spy, huntsman sniper) and the map is great. The three items that were released look really interesting, I even got to see a Vaccinator Medic on our team. I'll definitely need to see more of them in action.
Post by: TherosPherae on December 21, 2012, 01:35:08 pm
So in the time since it's been released, I've done the normal Bigrock mission four times (pyro, spy, spy, huntsman sniper) and the map is great. The three items that were released look really interesting, I even got to see a Vaccinator Medic on our team. I'll definitely need to see more of them in action.Well, I got myself a Rescue Ranger here, so I can give a bit of information about that.
It costs 130 metal to teleport things into your hands - which makes it really useful in MvM where you can have a surplus of metal. When teleported, the animation of a teammate going through a teleporter plays, and then a tracer beam goes between where your gear was and where you are now.
The death mark occurs when you have the shotgun equipped, regardless of if you have it wielded - I suspect this would make it pair well with the Eureka Effect, but I can't be sure since I no longer have one of those.
The projectile it shoots is basically a Crusader's Crossbow bolt for buildings - again, truly handy for MvM when you want to leave an area but keep your sentry alive long enough to bring it back into your arms. It does, at minimum, 18 damage at range, and a hundred-something on crit. The healing is usually around 40-50 health to your building, regardless of how far away you are from it.
So summary: it's great if you're a ninjaneer, playing MvM, or playing on an instantrespawn server. If you prefer to turtle as an engi, you probably want the normal shotgun instead, and if you're a frontline-combat engi, you were probably going to roll with the Frontier Justice/ Gunslinger combo anyways.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 21, 2012, 02:14:33 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 22, 2012, 02:06:35 am
Of the seven waves, 6 was the most brutal, and 7 had only one real enemy besides a BOATLOAD of snipers and spies: a single unique boss giant soldier that's both rapidfire and crit boosted and possessing atleast ten times the health of an ordinary giant. And it's wearing a spiffy hat. It took our second try to get it while wave six took maybe 15 tries, thanks to a combination of three tanks, giant medic/heavy combos, like 10 giant soldiers, and 8 super scouts that attack almost simultaneously at one point in the mission. We only one by the skin of our teeth as a tank is about to drop the bomb, props to crit canteens for making that clutch win possible.
I'm glad that spies are no longer leered at in the meta, cause the robo-engies keep me busy. I think it was in wave 4 or 5 that included nonstop robo engies. You'd kill one, and another would spawn no more than a second after, who half the time then chooses to just run straight to where the first one set up and then try to finish that one's job. Made it easier on me, but man was that was nerve wracking, especially since it takes sappers SO LONG to kill a teleporter.
Now all that's left is the other advanced mission...
Post by: miauw62 on December 22, 2012, 03:36:20 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 23, 2012, 10:28:19 pm
I'm gonna have to hand pick some sort of dream team if I intend to actually beat this.
Post by: miauw62 on December 24, 2012, 05:19:44 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 24, 2012, 02:03:31 pm
You know robot engies? How about a stampede of robot engies barreling out of the spawn like Xerxe's army? Cause that's what Disintegration is like. If you let up engie killing for a second, your entire team is completely overrun with sentries everywhere. EVERYWHERE! They're practically fighting eachother for real estate as they set up three at a time in popular sentry nest spots. Normally you need the finesse of a spy to help take out the engies, but here you need to gun them down like they're the Allies storming Normandy. It's insane.
And at the end of it all you get to fight a super crit rapidfire giant Demoman who took more than a couple tries to take down, especially with the aforementioned zerg rush of engies backing him up. THAT was alot of fun though.
Post by: cameron on December 24, 2012, 06:06:09 pm
Something I should mention, the engie gun seems not to be work with the eureka wrench as it counts the teleportation as picking it up. However, even the building healing part on its own comes in handy if you aren't going to be shotgunning much.
Post by: Blargityblarg on December 24, 2012, 08:30:57 pm
Post by: The Scout on December 24, 2012, 09:29:31 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 26, 2012, 10:57:12 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 26, 2012, 02:15:01 pm
"Hey I got some heals here who needs'em? Heal? Heal? You need heals? Yeah you do here you go. Let me just top you off rightquick. Alright everyone's overhealed. Here comes the scout again at 10 health. Have to keep moving! Snipers everywhere! Damnit heavy I love you but don't drag me into the choke points. Is that a spy? EAT PAN SPY! Alright I have my uber ready, let's PUSHPUSHPUSHPUSHPUSH!"
Then repeat.
I've developed a fine appreciation for the class, but I suppose that's easy when everyone on the team loves you.
Post by: miauw62 on December 26, 2012, 02:17:26 pm
If you train alot, you can become a "battle medic". I'm not one of those myself, but there are medics who can easily take out a heavy by themselves.
E: Btw, could you please send me a friend request? Here's my profile. (http://steamcommunity.com/id/Miauw62/)
Post by: The Scout on December 26, 2012, 02:18:15 pm
Post by: Thexor on December 26, 2012, 02:20:16 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 26, 2012, 02:20:48 pm
Two medics can destroy an enemy team. Blutsauger + kritz is easily the scariest thing ever.I think that default + ubersaw is the best tough. Two medics with that can stay ubered nigh indefinetly.
Post by: Putnam on December 26, 2012, 02:23:45 pm
Yeah, medic is incredibly fun to play.
If you train alot, you can become a "battle medic". I'm not one of those myself, but there are medics who can easily take out a heavy by themselves.
E: Btw, could you please send me a friend request? Here's my profile. (http://steamcommunity.com/id/Miauw62/)
Don't even suggest the idea of acting as one. Battle medics may run faster and have more health than most classes, but they do shit damage. "Battle medics" tend to eschew healing entirely to be a ~30% faster heavy with 1/8 the damage.
Post by: miauw62 on December 26, 2012, 02:26:10 pm
Post by: Descan on December 26, 2012, 03:01:54 pm
You know how you kill a heavy easily?
Blutsaugher, get in real close, and strafe circles around him. Sometimes you die, but a lot of the time they can't twist around fast enough to shoot you.
Having like 8.0 or higher mouse movement helps. :P
Post by: Putnam on December 26, 2012, 03:33:16 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 27, 2012, 06:09:37 pm
At the end, got to beat CAPTAIN PUNCH! He's a giant steel gloves heavy with a prodigious amount of health and one hell of a knockout punch. Thanks to the steel gloves my backstabs did double damage, that's 1500 each, and I was always able to land 1-3 in a strike. I just love numbers that huge popping up one the screen.
Captain Punch is kind of awkward looking, because he doesn't use the standard punching animation, he just swings his entire arm forward without bending his elbow and it's hard to tell if he's trying to hit somebody or if that's just his ordinary gait. I get hit sometimes just because of that.
Now, since I've beaten both Broken Parts and Bone Shaker, I think I'll make the discernment to say that Bone Shaker > Broken Parts in terms of difficulty; Except for the second to last wave on Broken Parts, which is brutal, and the early waves in Shaker really go out of their way to weed out bad players.
Post by: Enzo on December 27, 2012, 08:30:38 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 27, 2012, 09:04:09 pm
Just beat...broken parts, I think? The one with the soldier boss. It wasn't actually that difficult with a good group. Sir Critsalot hardly made it out of the cave and we only had one really clutch defense on the 3-tank wave. But I have to say: the 100-Spy wave is the most fun I've ever had in MvM. If you stand on the rocks spies won't path to you, so our whole team (minus the scout) was huddled up on the rocks trying not to get knocked off by support critspam, blowing up hoardes of derpy spies. So much funs.
If you played Wave 666, you also get a veritable cloud of spies that descend on you at one point along with several tanks. It's hilarious to be walking to spawn to get more canteens, and then a parade of doppelgangers comes gangrushing up the walkway towards you.
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 28, 2012, 01:41:55 am
And finally, after maybe an hour or so of hooking around on trade servers, I sold my naughty crates and traded for a Rescue Ranger! I'm super excited about having it, cause now it doesn't feel like my MVM engie is suboptimal anymore!
Now the only problem is that I need practice using it, cause I'm not sure if it was me, lag, or the weapon, but I had full metal, and I was alt-firing my goddamn heart out to pick up a weapon under assault but it just wouldn't work. I'll need more practice and testing, but I'm sure this is gonna be a fine purchase.
I mean, yeah, if I waited just maybe 2 or so weeks, the price of it would've depreciated to the point of normal items and I could've gotten it alot cheaper, but man I just want to try it out now.
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 30, 2012, 07:46:59 am
So instead of MVM, I thought I might try a bit of random pub PVP, cause hey I didn't do that bad when I tried it last time. And I think I'm doing good, until I look at the scoreboard and see that the 'people' I've been having this challenging but even struggle against were just bots, and I've walked into a bot server by accident. That's a really horrible feeling.
So I search for an actual server with actual people, and when I do I'm back to feeling like a scrublord again as I walk out of spawn and promptly die to someone who looked at me funny. Half the time I don't even know what hit me, all I hear is a BLAM and I'm dead, please wait 10-15 seconds to respawn. It's really sad that the amount of time I spend respawning is probably more than I spend actually playing, just cause I'm dying so fast and so often. I can't even compare to these people, and it's truly frustrating that by the round's end I'm being dominated by five separate people and I just can't even touch these guys.
Maybe I just shouldn't play payload race on Hightower anymore.
Post by: Errol on December 30, 2012, 08:04:51 am
Also Hightower really isn't all that great of a map. Derpy fun, perhaps, but it's certainly one of the maps more prone to spawncamping.
Post by: DJ on December 30, 2012, 08:22:24 am
Anyway, guys, what's your opinion on the Loose Cannon? I got it as a random drop, and OMG it's the best gun evar. My score isn't doing as well as it did with the default pills, but I think it's just a matter of getting more practice. It's still a boatload of fun even if my score is a bit low, though.
Post by: Errol on December 30, 2012, 09:36:15 am
Post by: miauw62 on December 30, 2012, 11:33:26 am
Here are some vids that should help you (they are terribly outdated, from before there were alternate weapons, hats and airblasts, but they helped me alot.)
Pyro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGIISxhYRYE)
Spy (take this one with some more grains of salt than the others, but has some good tactics i guess.) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-qD30EOO-o)
Scout (had addenenum) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRSW0Y1SgoA)
Engineer (In many cases you can use the gunslinger instead of the default with these tactics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxodkFM8N1U)
While they are incredibly outdated, they drastically changed my playstyle when i saw them. I went from w+m1 backburner pyro to stock airblasting ninja pyro.
E:
Oh, and i recommend that you check out Aerolite Gaming, a pretty nice chain of servers i used to play on with really nice people.
And remember: If you chat, people will instantly think of you as a better (team)player and you can have a lot more fun.
Post by: The Scout on December 30, 2012, 12:01:40 pm
Post by: Errol on December 30, 2012, 12:21:04 pm
Scorch Shot is not a single-target combo weapon, but rather a team disruption thing. Quite map dependant, better if you can knock people off ledges with it, and great for tagging Snipers and such because you don't need to aim. Heckling people with it also is a great idea.
Degreaser is without question the best Flamethrower (Backburner holding the second place for hilarity), but the worst Flamethrower for a Pyro that's just starting out because you need to know your weapon switch combos, or else you're essentially holding a nerf flamethrower with worse damage and worse afterburn in your hands.
I don't know, is there any reason not to take Axetinguisher? Any other melee weapon is for specific cases (Homewrecker if you're babysitting an Engineer, Backscratcher for certain ninja pyro builds, Powerjack for the set bonus), and you should only really use those with a Backburner. Degreaser needs crits on burn badly.
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 30, 2012, 12:49:18 pm
The degreaser is definitely the best, though. It makes a good pyro effectively immune to rockets, since the delay between switching and airblasting is shorter, and lets them easily kill everything short of a heavy in one melee hit. Combine that with the versatility of the shotgun at all ranges, and you've got what I consider the most generally useful loadout in the game.
It also helps that I've given sufficiently dorfy names to my degreaser, shotty, and axtinguisher. :P
Anyway, is this the place to bring up trades? The other thread looked pretty dead. I'm looking trade a clean Armored Authority for some other sillier clean soldier only hat, if someone's interested.
Post by: miauw62 on December 30, 2012, 12:55:36 pm
Oh, and let's discuss weapon names!
I have only one named weapon: My strange flamethrower. I called it "Prometheus's Gift"
It's the main reason I don't use the degreaser, because from what I've heard a strange degreaser is pretty expensive :c. Especially compared to this one, that I traded a vintage flaregun and a vintage backburner for.
Second reason is that I can't stand having less damage than other pyros even tough I know that's kinda bullshit and somebody always has an advantage.
E: Oh, and secondary and melee are strange shotty and axetinguisher. I just can't play with any of the flareguns, and axetinguisher is great against combos that you can ninja.
Post by: The Scout on December 30, 2012, 12:56:16 pm
I tried the backburner recently for a change... it's ridiculous how easy that thing is. I could've just facerolled over the keyboard holding down M1, and would still have gotten kills. That a flamethrower would get an easy means of guaranteed crits and more damage, only at the cost of somewhat more expensive airblasts, is beyond me. Stellar balance, Valve.I've got the Grenadiers Softcap.
The degreaser is definitely the best, though. It makes a good pyro effectively immune to rockets, since the delay between switching and airblasting is shorter, and lets them easily kill everything short of a heavy in one melee hit. Combine that with the versatility of the shotgun at all ranges, and you've got what I consider the most generally useful loadout in the game.
It also helps that I've given sufficiently dorfy names to my degreaser, shotty, and axtinguisher. :P
Anyway, is this the place to bring up trades? The other thread looked pretty dead. I'm looking trade a clean Armored Authority for some other sillier clean soldier only hat, if someone's interested.
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 30, 2012, 01:03:43 pm
Melting fat off of dwarves to save lives.
Server clearing axtinguisher: "Atom Smasher"
Heh.
Epic shotgun: ''≡<<*Tunnel Tube Wood Blowgun*>>≡''
Self explanatory.
Rage-Inducing eyelander: "Catcher in the Ryelander"
Wicked nasty ambassador: "Bad-assador"
And a random bushwhacka named "Garry". Not sure about that one...
Fakedit: Hmm, well, I was looking for one sillier than the Armored Authority. I sold my Exquisite Rack a while ago, and haven't found a replacement yet. I do use a Kringle,
Post by: The Scout on December 30, 2012, 01:05:29 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 30, 2012, 01:22:44 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 30, 2012, 01:27:26 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 30, 2012, 01:28:53 pm
Oh wow, so the backburner did get the damage bonus removed. God, finally. Though really, since all the flamethrowers got a damage increase with the pyromania update (right?), it's not really an amazing change.I think it was before pyromania, but I don't remember exactly anymore. While it may have been better to just remove the bonus, I can hardly complain about getting a +10% damage bonus, can I?
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 30, 2012, 01:38:38 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 30, 2012, 01:40:20 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 30, 2012, 01:44:35 pm
Post by: dehimos on December 30, 2012, 01:49:40 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 30, 2012, 01:49:49 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 30, 2012, 02:10:49 pm
Still, an excellent video, for its age. Makes me want to try stock flamethrower again.
Post by: DJ on December 30, 2012, 09:19:50 pm
The loose cannon is "bad". It's a weapon with utility but this weapon need more damage or knockback.IDK, the knockback seems pretty solid to me. And I'm a sucker for any weapon with knockback (it can really confuse the targets), so I'm in love with the loose cannon. Airbursting is also pretty sweet, people always just run away from normal pills that don't score a direct hit :(
Post by: Enzo on December 30, 2012, 10:53:49 pm
Maybe I just shouldn't play payload race on Hightower anymore.
KotH, CTF, and Payload Race are just generally more likely to be deathmatch spawncamping meatgrinders. People seem to get distracted from the objective quite easily. Payload and CP maps generally get slightly more team-and-objective-oriented combat, which is better if you're getting beat in one on one fights all the time. And as a general word of advice, the golden rule : avoid or straight up retreat from any situation where you're at a disadvantage (low health, low ground, outnumbered, etc) unless there's a really good reason to stick around and fight.
I have only one named weapon: My strange flamethrower. I called it "Prometheus's Gift"
I named my Hales Own Dead Ringer the "Skillringer". If I get another nametag I'm calling my Strange Sapper "Electric Kool-Aide Acid Test".
Post by: Mageziya on December 31, 2012, 07:38:20 pm
Anyway, I managed to get a Strange Festive Holy Mackerel! This Holiday season was a success! While I didn't uncrate it, I got it due to uncrateing. Essentially my Holiday season in TF2 went like this.
Start off with a bit of metal. -> Obtain Naughty Crate. -> Start selling excess crates and desperately scraping everything I am willing to scrap. -> Buy Naughty Key for 4.11 Refined. -> Uncrate S. Festive Axetinguisher. -> Trade S. F. Axetinguisher for S. F. Mackerel.
Sweet success.
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 04, 2013, 02:20:22 pm
That, and I'm SUPER FUCKING SOUR about this entirely trivial mistake: where I reset my stats because I was sick and tired of seeing my top score being when I was just ploinking afk'ers off of conveyer belts in trade servers... and it reset my progress on the Chief of Staff achievement (to get 1,000,000 total heal points) when I had 600,000 already... And the progress in my MVM achievements to get a mil credits and a mil bot kills. I didn't realize it would do that. Super. fucking. sour.
What I was trying to do was get the third medic milestone achievement to get the ubersaw. I had specifically prohibited myself from trading for it, however easy it would be, just so I could have the satisfaction of earning it. This has boiled down to me being neurotically paranoid of snipers and spies, killing me every time I let my guard down, and alot of times when my guard is up. Tussling with them just got me facestabbed, and my aim is just so horrifically terrible with any weapon that requires aiming at all. I think it's time for me to put the game down for a bit again, until I cool off.
I mean, I could blame it on my tiny 10$ mouse and complete lack of mouse pad, but why bother. Is it bad that I'm afraid to socialize with the voicechat function, just because I feel like a D-bag when I'm broadcasting my voice over the internet? Cause not having any social aspect makes it extremely easy to get brainmeltingly angry.
The only good thing is that I've discovered a site called Scrap.tf where I can trade for pretty much any weapon on the market very easily, but even better, at a 1:1 ratio of 1 scrap to 2 weapons. This has allowed me to round out my collection of weapons I like without fear of making bad purchases, cause I can convert them right back into scrap if I want to at no loss. I think I'll just trade for that Ubersaw afterall, cause this is just too damn frustrating otherwise and I just want it now.
Post by: WealthyRadish on January 04, 2013, 02:48:42 pm
Incidentally, if anyone's still into hat trading here... I've got a clean Backwards Ballcap and Fancy Fedora I'd like to trade for any clean sniper/heavy hats. Still looking to trade the Armored Authority for an Exquisite Rack, as well. Metal trades would be fine as well here. Also looking for a strange scattergun and strange sniper rifle.
Post by: DJ on January 04, 2013, 02:52:09 pm
Post by: Matz05 on January 05, 2013, 01:32:36 am
Now I can trade! And have hextuple inventory space! YAY!
No more throwing out of my meager promotional hat stash to hold weapons!
Post by: Untouchable on January 06, 2013, 08:28:01 am
I just got premium--I think I bought a cozy camper on sale or something.
Now I can trade! And have hextuple inventory space! YAY!
No more throwing out of my meager promotional hat stash to hold weapons!
Ouch, you should have bought something actually useful.
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 06, 2013, 09:14:59 am
I just got premium--I think I bought a cozy camper on sale or something.
Now I can trade! And have hextuple inventory space! YAY!
No more throwing out of my meager promotional hat stash to hold weapons!
OH MAN THAT HURTS MY MONEY SENSE!
Checking the wiki, the value of a Cozy Camper IN THE STORE is 9.99. I don't know what the sale reduced the item's price to. This is a complete ripoff.
Here's what you could've done: Bought a single key for 2.50, I don't know if there was a sale on them or not I never check. This would have endowed premium status to you.
Gone to http://scrap.tf/ and sold the key there for 3.22 refined metal.
Then take that metal, and turn right around and buy a cozy camper and any other item for 1 scrap at Scrap.tf, which is 1/9 of a single refined metal. The value of a Cozy Camper, you see, is 1/2 of a scrap. It's not worthless, but pretty damn close.
So you could've gotten one very easily, and had 3.11 refined and an extra item leftover to buy hats or any other items you might fancy.
Just remember, UNIQUE quality weapons, that is, normal weapons that have no special prefixes or qualities, are usually this price because they are dropped and can be crafted for. They're nigh-worthless because the market is flooded with them, and the law of supply and demand fixes them at this price because the very least you can use them for is making scrap metal, which has inherent value in crafting.
Just remember http://scrap.tf/ is good for just normal hum-drum items, and if have an item (like a hat or a strange or something) that you're ABSOLUTELY NOT SURE what the trading value of it is, and someone's trying to get it off you, check http://backpack.tf/ cause the market is both very fickle, and full of people not afraid to take advantage of people that don't know what they're doing. Through remember one thing: Backpack.tf is a price guide, not a price law. It's ok to haggle a bit and so long as it doesn't deviate very far from what the site says is sane, you should be good. As is in all things, using your intuition is key.
It just hurts me to see people spending money, good money in such a grossly inefficient way.
In other news, while I spend so much time learning about trading and the TF2 economy, there's actually very little that I want. Except for one thing: I gathered up my resources, sold my Snapped Pupil for 1.33 ref, and I went to http://www.tf2outpost.com/ to find a seller for this one item I want. After a bit of haggling I got a Cosa Nostra Cap (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Cosa_Nostra_Cap) for 1.77 ref!
Goddamn is this just snazziest hat in existence or what? The spy was BORN to wear this hat. While I may fail epically at TF2 on occasion, I will always like damn good while doing it.
Post by: miauw62 on January 06, 2013, 09:17:25 am
E:
But cosa nostra cap is fucking awesome indeed. I have a trader friend that got me one for 1 ref.
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 06, 2013, 09:27:49 am
It deeply, deeply, thoroughly, and deeply frustrates me that I just enjoy watching TF2 players like STAR on youtube and he's just messing around and having fun. When I get on, however, I seem to only feel unending frustration and failure.This is one thing I can help you with. Star records videos on servers separate from his regular ones. Those guys are quire clearly a tier below him, so he can pull off crazy stuff and make good videos. It's nice stuff, but don't feel bad about not wrecking as hard as he does. You could probably do the same on Valve servers.
Post by: miauw62 on January 06, 2013, 09:29:01 am
This. YOU NEED PRACTICE!It deeply, deeply, thoroughly, and deeply frustrates me that I just enjoy watching TF2 players like STAR on youtube and he's just messing around and having fun. When I get on, however, I seem to only feel unending frustration and failure.This is one thing I can help you with. Star records videos on servers separate from his regular ones. Those guys are quire clearly a tier below him, so he can pull off crazy stuff and make good videos. It's nice stuff, but don't feel bad about not wrecking as hard as he does. You could probably do the same on Valve servers.
Watch the videos I linked! Try to learn some tactics!
What is your favorite class? I bet we can give some tips.
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 06, 2013, 09:38:35 am
This. YOU NEED PRACTICE!It deeply, deeply, thoroughly, and deeply frustrates me that I just enjoy watching TF2 players like STAR on youtube and he's just messing around and having fun. When I get on, however, I seem to only feel unending frustration and failure.This is one thing I can help you with. Star records videos on servers separate from his regular ones. Those guys are quire clearly a tier below him, so he can pull off crazy stuff and make good videos. It's nice stuff, but don't feel bad about not wrecking as hard as he does. You could probably do the same on Valve servers.
Watch the videos I linked! Try to learn some tactics!
What is your favorite class? I bet we can give some tips.
I did actually watch the videos you linked, they were very insightful.
I may have simply been getting frustrated over nothing, since I'm simply being too stubborn to want to actually communicate with a pub team.
Practice may be necessary to become a master Caberknight.
/jk
Post by: miauw62 on January 06, 2013, 10:01:09 am
(They run a 24/7 dustbowl, 2fort, turbine and payload server. And a few other servers for other games. When I play I can usually be found on the turbine server because it's less terrible than the 2fort server)
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 06, 2013, 10:50:21 am
I'm sure it's simple enough, I just can't see it.
Post by: miauw62 on January 06, 2013, 10:57:18 am
Google aerolitegaming.
Go to their website.
Now look around until you find their server IPs. Open up your server browser (you can do that without TF2, again, look around a bit.) Go to the "favorites" tab. Right-click, and press the option that says something about finding servers at the adress you entered. Enter the IPs and they'll be added to favorites until you remove them.
This is a bit of a vague guide, but it should suffice if you try out a few things.
Post by: LASD on January 06, 2013, 11:25:02 am
http://backpack.tf/
I just checked that site and it rated my backpack (http://backpack.tf/id/lasd) to be worth 155$. Seriously, what the hell? I guess preordering L4D2 and Devil's Playhouse was a really good idea.
Also, vintage hats seem to be worth a bunch of keys and all the normal hats are just refined? What is the exhange ratio of keys to refined?
I guess I could get almost anything I want by trading off something old I don't really need.
Also, why does it list prices for items that are non-tradable? Like the Treasure Hat?
Post by: miauw62 on January 06, 2013, 11:29:08 am
So. Favorite servers with relatively quick respawns? All my favorites went under and I'm not partial to sitting on my hands for twenty seconds every time I catch a stray crocket.Aerolite gaming :P
Post by: Metalax on January 06, 2013, 11:34:15 am
Also, why does it list prices for items that are non-tradable? Like the Treasure Hat?
Because they can be traded using gift wrap.
What is the exhange ratio of keys to refined?
I believe it is around 3.22 refined per key at the moment.
Post by: Mageziya on January 06, 2013, 03:57:09 pm
I suppose it's slowly deflating, bu dangit, it's too slow.
Post by: PTTG?? on January 06, 2013, 11:44:49 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ref = 3.22 keys. I'm selling the whole package for 55 keys, which is 10 keys less than a quick estimate of the value.
Post by: Matz05 on January 07, 2013, 12:33:43 am
Post by: Enzo on January 07, 2013, 01:01:44 am
I'm emptying my backpack. Anybody want anything?
Are those values in Keys? Because if Strange Sticky Launcher, Name Tag, and Festive Buff Banner =< 1 key I'd gladly take those off your hands.
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 07, 2013, 11:59:38 am
Or maybe it was because I was using the BLU Team table felt, which I switched to just to taunt him, and while I don't have hard proof, I feel it was making him play more aggressively than usual.
Post by: miauw62 on January 07, 2013, 12:10:51 pm
Oh, and I'm selling the Jingle Belt, if anybody wants it.
Post by: DJ on January 07, 2013, 12:25:18 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 07, 2013, 12:30:50 pm
I've actually been deleting my refined to make room in my tiny F2P backpack. Is there a way for someone else to buy premium for me (ie the cheapest item in the store)? I can't do it, because I don't have a credit card. I could probably scrounge up 2-3 refined for it.
I'm honestly not sure if it's possible to buy premium for someone else. I'm trying to think of how to go about doing that.
Post by: miauw62 on January 07, 2013, 12:32:43 pm
Else you *may* be able to buy the orange box and give the TF2 in there to somebody.
Oh, and ref is worthless if it isn't tradeable, unless you make hats with it. But those will be non-tradeable too.
Post by: DJ on January 07, 2013, 12:40:48 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on January 07, 2013, 01:13:30 pm
If you do end up putting money on the steam account, you really shouldn't buy any weapons or hats. The minimum is a $5 deposit, enough to evenly buy 2 keys to trade, which'll be enough for many much more valuable hats than store bought. Using keys is the vast majority of the time a complete waste. Run of the mill dirty hats (uncraftable) from the store are worth a reclaimed, while a key is currently more than 3 ref. So if you don't mind wearing dirty items, that's more than enough to get a hat and misc for each class, or several of the cheaper clean hats, which usually run for 1.33-1.66.
Post by: DJ on January 07, 2013, 01:58:32 pm
Post by: misko27 on January 07, 2013, 02:45:21 pm
I've already scrapped all crates, hats etc. It's just that 50 slots isn't all that much when you like a lot of different weapons.All my sympathies. I've gotten rid of every crate, hat and duplicate I have. I've started skimming what seem to be the worse weapons (The situational Third Degree, ettc.) but I'm essentially out of space entirely.
Post by: Enzo on January 07, 2013, 03:14:16 pm
F2P's can receive items from trades, just not send them out. Have a friend send you a useable item, like a Strange Part or Paint.
Put useable item on the Steam Marketplace Beta for $1 or $2 - slightly higher than the lowest listing so that someone else doesn't buy it.
In the Marketplace you can choose which seller to buy from. Have your friend buy back his item.
Use the money transferred to your wallet to buy an item from the mann-co store.
You are now Premium. Give your friend whatever you agreed upon for his $2.
Alternatively, have your friend just give you the item, post it on the marketplace for less than the lowest listed price, and then pay back your friend after you get Premium. That way, it doesn't even cost your friend real money, just his item. It looks like the Market is saturated with sellers based on the # of each item up there, so this is riskier as it might take a long time to sell.
If you do end up putting money on the steam account, you really shouldn't buy any weapons or hats. The minimum is a $5 deposit, enough to evenly buy 2 keys to trade, which'll be enough for many much more valuable hats than store bought. Using keys is the vast majority of the time a complete waste. Run of the mill dirty hats (uncraftable) from the store are worth a reclaimed, while a key is currently more than 3 ref. So if you don't mind wearing dirty items, that's more than enough to get a hat and misc for each class, or several of the cheaper clean hats, which usually run for 1.33-1.66.
Of course, as I've stated in this thread before, you can buy a stickyjumper for fifty cents, and then spend the remainder of you steam wallet fund on some indie game when it's on sale for < $4.50. You don't have to spend the whole $5 on TF2, if you don't want to.
Post by: Metalax on January 07, 2013, 03:20:47 pm
Can free to plays put items up on the steam market? I know it's limited to tool items at the moment but paint, tags and duel games do drop so should be available for a free to play to potentially put up.
prepost edit: or indeed you can get someone to give you an item to be posted as kinseti says.
Post by: dragonshardz on January 08, 2013, 02:04:59 am
I've actually been deleting my refined to make room in my tiny F2P backpack. Is there a way for someone else to buy premium for me (ie the cheapest item in the store)? I can't do it, because I don't have a credit card. I could probably scrounge up 2-3 refined for it.
I've got $5 in my Steam Wallet, I might be able to help you out.
Edit: If you like, I've got some spare crates listed that haven't been bought. I'll trade you one, then you list it for a key's price and I'll buy it back from you.
Post by: DJ on January 08, 2013, 08:49:52 am
The only real option I see right now is giving someone my login info so they can log into my account and buy something. I don't have any games on it anyway, so the worst that can happen is my TF2 backpack getting cleaned out. I'm sure I can trust an established B12 forumer not to do that, though. So yeah, if there's any takers, I'm still offering that refined and some weapons and slot/class tokens (are these worth anything?), whatever you feel is a fair value. My backpack (http://tf2b.com/tf2/76561198022404701)
Post by: 10ebbor10 on January 08, 2013, 11:36:27 am
Can free to plays put items up on the steam market? I know it's limited to tool items at the moment but paint, tags and duel games do drop so should be available for a free to play to potentially put up.The point of the FTP trading restriction is to prevent the creation of item farming accounts. Would be illogical to allow the to sell things for money when they aren't even allowed to sell things for hats.
Post by: miauw62 on January 08, 2013, 12:45:58 pm
Post by: Lukewarm on January 08, 2013, 11:29:11 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 08, 2013, 11:44:16 pm
One thing in the new update is that you can no longer build your sentries on the glitched rock in Big Rock! You see, you build your sentry there, and the sentry buster just refuses to even try to chase you up there, it just explodes on the spot. Now you just can't build there anymore. Kinda lame, cause that was a really cool exploit.
In other news, I got to messing around with hitsound noises, and now I have a really nice, soft drum sound as my hit sound. It's really nice, alot better than the irritating DING that is the default.
Oh yeah, and miauw, I managed to favorite the Aerolite gaming servers just fine. Thanks for that. I should be enjoying them more often from now on.
Post by: LASD on January 09, 2013, 05:53:46 am
TF2 updated just recently, adding some hats to promote the new game The Cave. Not too hyped about that honest.
But but but! It's a new, co-op adventure game by Ron Gilbert, made at Double Fine! How is that not the greatest thing. I'm happy about this, it's like the "good old days" when I happened to buy most of the promo games just before some accompanying hats were added.
The amount of promotional things in TF2 is staggering. I wonder if the only reason their holding back on doing this with Dota 2 is that it hasn't been properly released yet.
The craziest thing about the promos is that the people who bought Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse only for the items actually made a sound investment all the way back then.
Post by: lionstar on January 14, 2013, 09:57:07 pm
My first several rounds of playing srs medic went pretty well despite my usual lack of uber, until Hoodoo. On offense, first stage last point, there was a sentry around the corner and it's engie guarding. a heavy turned the corner and almost killed me so i popped the uber on a pyro who happened to be the only one around. He then ran straight past the heavy, and out of my range since I was heading towards the sentry, into the trench at the last control point chasing a scout. In desperation i transferred the uber to a sniper with his bushwacka out who had just started turning the corner. He was a spy.
Cue mockery from everybody. The pyro left shortly after.
Post by: Descan on January 14, 2013, 10:04:34 pm
Post by: misko27 on January 14, 2013, 10:34:10 pm
Since was stupd pyro, as the tips say, a wasted uber is better then a dead medic. If he's stupid, just run. I've given up myself and said "see ya!" when things get too dangerous. As for doing better, I personally try to stay a little behind the action, and let them be meatshields. Then, look at who seems to be the best player of the meatshields.
Post by: Bronimin on January 15, 2013, 01:45:20 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on January 15, 2013, 01:55:44 pm
Post by: miauw62 on January 15, 2013, 02:03:40 pm
Post by: miauw62 on January 15, 2013, 02:23:24 pm
Post by: MrPseeth on January 15, 2013, 02:39:08 pm
A good medic weapon set is the crossbow and the amputator because you heal then 4 instead of 3 hp per second.
Not a medic tip, but are you people playing with damage numbers? They're really useful imo.
E: Oh, and if you want to buy or sell unique (normal) weapons, I'd always use scrap.tf. Everyone should.
Post by: FritzPL on January 15, 2013, 02:47:57 pm
Post by: Enzo on January 15, 2013, 07:00:27 pm
A link. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KR_dl_Xtvw) And since the video's kind of long, my favourite part of the night. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KR_dl_Xtvw#t=25m26s)
Post by: The Scout on January 15, 2013, 08:25:36 pm
So, I joined my regular server a couple of nights ago and there were...shenanigans. The 2013 Spy Invitational. It's these 3 guys who join a server - 2 of them do live commentary in spectator on a spies actions, revealing his location, disguise, cloak status, etc. (making it almost impossible to play the class) and the third runs around the field playing various guest commentators. So OK sure, that's a pretty good idea for some mild micspam trolling, or it would be if these guys weren't so fucking hilarious. I ended up staying on hours after I needed to collapse from exhaustion just to listen to them. So I thought I would plug them here, although this means revealing the most embarrassingly bad gameplay of me currently available.IP?
A link. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KR_dl_Xtvw) And since the video's kind of long, my favourite part of the night. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KR_dl_Xtvw#t=25m26s)
Post by: Enzo on January 15, 2013, 08:56:37 pm
Of course these guys appear to be hitting different servers, and when asked they said they'd probably be back to play, but not to cast. I guess we'll see. It's a great server though, good regulars and lots of fun.
Post by: Putnam on January 15, 2013, 09:19:05 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 15, 2013, 09:22:26 pm
Post by: jester on January 16, 2013, 01:42:31 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 18, 2013, 09:36:17 pm
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on January 19, 2013, 11:13:07 pm
I was strolling along on the SLAG Gamemode Madness Server (IP:63.251.20.54:27015), building a large staircase in FortWars, when I had the insatiable urge to stand in the middle of a gunfight and TRADE with someone! I typed into chat, 'Anyone have Stranges the want to trade?' and, sure enough, a lone man by the name of Crab Chat piped up, saying 'Sure. Trade me.'
Lo and behold, I did, as a Heavy, and promptly forgot the round had started. During our little trade, he asked if I wanted to trade hats as well, so we both piled hats and Stranges into the Trade screen, and we found we had the same amount of each! I quickly asked if he would be willing to trade all of mine for all of his, which he promptly replied to with 'AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...'
'Mine is worth 9x yores, dude.' he said. This statement made me open up the spreadsheet in case he began rambling off prices. Which he did. He stated that his K-9 Mane was worth 4 keys, and his Area 419 was worth 1! Poppycock, I thought. I searched up both and found that neither was worth more than a key! Ha! I began rambling off prices of my own, all from his stuff, to which he replied, 'Where do u get youre prices from, toys are us?'
I shook off the idiotic statement, and finished listing his prices, then moved on to mine. It turned out MY items were worth more. I told him he was a fraud, which he denied with a whole-hearted 'I not fraud good trader,' and, 'You traded me so ha bye.'
I finished of my ramble by saying 'Finally, please learn to grammar.' To which he closed the trade and the server disconnected me for being idle too long.
I sure showed him, didn't I?
:D
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 20, 2013, 12:38:55 am
So I'm SUPER SOUR. Like, SUPER DUPER FUCKING SOUR about what just happened.
What just happened: I want the achievement for getting all the cash bonuses on an advanced difficulty MVM mission. So I'm on Bone Shaker as scout, which is really fun btw, and I just finish wave 6 with EVERY cash bonus. Then there's wave 7, which is the last wave that has cash drops at all before wave 8, which is the boss.
So I'm really hyped! Then... the lights in my room start flickering... and the power blows! SHIT! I'm disconnected from my match when I'm so close to getting the coveted, hard-to-get chievo!
Post by: Lukewarm on February 03, 2013, 10:43:13 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on February 03, 2013, 11:26:12 pm
Post by: Putnam on February 03, 2013, 11:34:02 pm
Yeah, was that just today? I've put some things up and I've been amazed at the prices you can get. $45 on an old strange festive flamethrower!
It was a while ago.
Post by: LASD on February 04, 2013, 06:14:35 am
The market updated. For those of you like me who stockpiled a large amount of vintage items, you can now make a fortune at .20 cents a pop selling vintage Kritzerkriegs! I've personally just hit the dollar mark.
They probably don't distinguish between normal vintage and off-level vintage. I still have like 10 of them. I wonder if people are even more into those.
EDIT: Okay, my Vintage Lugermorph is now up for 42,42€ (currently the cheapest), let's see if someone bites.
Post by: Metalax on February 04, 2013, 12:09:59 pm
EDIT: Okay, my Vintage Lugermorph is now up for 42,42€ (currently the cheapest), let's see if someone bites.
Probably not, current cheapest price is half that.
Also surprising number of those offering them for sale I recognise from here or the DFC steam group. At least 4 out of 25.
Post by: LASD on February 06, 2013, 03:55:07 am
EDIT: Okay, my Vintage Lugermorph is now up for 42,42€ (currently the cheapest), let's see if someone bites.
Probably not, current cheapest price is half that.
Also surprising number of those offering them for sale I recognise from here or the DFC steam group. At least 4 out of 25.
Dammit, who undercut me! Well, I don't really mind, it would've been cool to get a bunch of money from it.
But actually, on the subject of undercutting; someone undercut from 42,42 to 34€. It's not really in the sellers interest to undercut by a lot, if the price of some item seems to be stable at whatever price, people will buy it at that price eventually. Unless they think the prize should be exactly 10 keys or something.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 06, 2013, 12:18:09 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on February 06, 2013, 06:17:02 pm
Post by: Metalax on February 06, 2013, 09:58:16 pm
Post by: TherosPherae on February 07, 2013, 07:52:54 pm
For keys, it will probably stabilize a bit below the price UK players are charged from the store. That is currently £1.99 or $3.11 at the current exchange rate.I'd be surprised if they went that far, given that - if I recall correctly - Americans can get keys for $2.50 a pop.
On a somewhat related note, if any of you hoarded Halloween paint spells on an alt or something, now's the time to sell them. They're going for several keys apiece.
Post by: PTTG?? on February 09, 2013, 03:18:55 pm
For keys, it will probably stabilize a bit below the price UK players are charged from the store. That is currently £1.99 or $3.11 at the current exchange rate.
At that price, it makes sense to just buy keys in the US and sell them for $3.00 and make $0.5 per!
Post by: 10ebbor10 on February 09, 2013, 03:21:28 pm
Because that reduces the profit you make to 0.05 c
Post by: WealthyRadish on February 09, 2013, 03:23:48 pm
Post by: Enzo on February 11, 2013, 11:15:17 pm
Post by: misko27 on February 25, 2013, 10:15:33 am
Post by: PTTG?? on February 25, 2013, 02:10:53 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on February 28, 2013, 12:05:57 am
Anyone know any active ones with a good map selection?
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 05, 2013, 07:42:04 am
My favorite no crit server shut down. Quite a bummer. :/
Anyone know any active ones with a good map selection?
I'd recommend STAR_'s east coast nocrit server, but it seems nobody's on right now. I wonder what happened to it, the place was always packed to bursting 24/7 just a week ago.
Post by: Enzo on March 12, 2013, 09:37:06 pm
Among the new promo items were 5 items that don't seem to have anything to do with any upcoming releases. Sams hat from Sam and Max, that weird mask from Borderlands 2, Evil Ash's crown from Army of Darkness, Chells boots from Portal 2, and Brock Samsons knife. There have been some promo's released for games that weren't tied to preorder, so it might be that. But all the filenames for the new items had the prefix pn2_. Valve has also confirmed they are working with Adult Swim.
PN2. Poker Night 2. Brock Samson and Glados. Calling it now.
Post by: Putnam on March 12, 2013, 09:53:22 pm
This is wonderful and amazing.
also brock samson omg
Post by: PTTG?? on March 13, 2013, 12:41:26 am
Someone at valve REALLY likes Sam and Max.
Post by: Metalax on March 13, 2013, 05:45:57 am
Post by: Enzo on March 15, 2013, 07:03:25 pm
Are kill videos still a thing? I thought I'd take a swing at one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU7vonpzTGM) These four and a half minutes took me over five hours to put together, believe it or not.
I've become quite fond of that loadout, except with the caber. Stickyjumper 2pro.
And I too make silly videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2kEY7pfQLk) sometimes, if we're linking that sort of thing. Sometimes very silly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbIs4130oO0).
Post by: Mageziya on March 15, 2013, 10:35:02 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on March 15, 2013, 10:44:28 pm
Post by: miauw62 on March 16, 2013, 03:58:58 am
Post by: misko27 on March 16, 2013, 12:23:21 pm
Post by: The Scout on March 16, 2013, 01:19:39 pm
Post by: misko27 on March 16, 2013, 01:47:04 pm
I only use the caber with the normal set up. One of the grenade launchers, stickybomb launcher, then caber. Mostly to punish spies.Actually, let me re-phrase. I almost always have the caber, but when I am doing it to be a
Post by: Markus on March 16, 2013, 02:21:23 pm
Post by: ragnar119 on March 16, 2013, 03:08:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mHe6FMs46o
Post by: Putnam on March 16, 2013, 03:31:17 pm
Post by: jester on March 17, 2013, 02:25:29 pm
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=131489179 (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=131489179)
Post by: PTTG?? on April 26, 2013, 03:59:26 pm
Probably crappy hats, but maybe there's a chance for nice weapons.
Post by: misko27 on April 26, 2013, 06:07:43 pm
Can't wait to find out what's in the RoboCrates.Lot of people are guessing, robot hats.
Probably crappy hats, but maybe there's a chance for nice weapons.
It's MvM related though. It's a little tank!
Post by: Metalax on May 17, 2013, 01:19:43 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/roboticboogaloo/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/roboticboogaloo/)
Post by: LASD on May 17, 2013, 01:50:00 pm
Robotic Boogaloo! (http://www.teamfortress.com/roboticboogaloo/)
Post by: Enzo on May 17, 2013, 02:14:55 pm
My brain has to process this.
Post by: PTTG?? on May 17, 2013, 02:46:33 pm
Post by: misko27 on May 17, 2013, 02:49:30 pm
Now to sell them. Useless! I only have 96 cents in my account, and the crates are going for 15 cents each now. Maybe I might manage to buy a robo-key if I find more...
Anyway, that IS a lot of hats.
EDIT: Also, 80% sale on backpack Expanders, and Robocrates are rare after June 3rd.
Post by: Metalax on July 10, 2013, 06:06:12 pm
Summer Claim Checks that have been dropping over the past few weeks can now be swapped for Summer Coolers crates.
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Added text search functionality to the backpack and the store.- Easier to find stuff now that there are so many items.
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In MvM, when robots are killed by sniper headshots or explosive headshot upgrade, they will drop ‘red’ money that will automatically be collected when it would otherwise dissolve- Nice little improvement.
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Fixed the Marked-For-Death effect showing over the head of disguised or stealthed players- Finally fixed scout spy-checking being far to easy.
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cp_egypt- A bit disappointing if this has taken out all of the elevated positions.
Players can no longer build on top of arches and high ledges
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mvm_bigrock- Have to check which rocks exactly it is talking about, but this could change strategy on some challenge waves quite a bit.
Fixed players building on rock in cave section
Also many, many item stat changes, particularly those that were previously part of sets.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 10, 2013, 06:41:59 pm
Quote
Quick-Fix
Added 50% Overheal
Über now affects the medic when there's no heal target
Shotguns with pushback (Force O' Nature) no longer affect players under the effect of Quick-Fix’s Über
When I saw this, my reaction was basically "Yes... YES... YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!" cause I frequent the dedicated medic forum on Steam, and it's no exaggeration when I say that the Quickfix is literally the ONLY THING THEY TALK ABOUT. It's equal parts confusion, rage, calm discussion, and rage, but it was truly the only topic that was consistently brought up over and over and over again, for YEARS. AND IT'S DONE! IT'S FINALLY DONE! Hallelujah!
I also appreciate the nerf to the Dead Ringer, that thing was just super annoying all around. I really like the changes they're making to alot of things, it's gonna really shake the game up and breath new life into it. I'll probably get back into TF2.
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 10, 2013, 06:45:32 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 10, 2013, 06:50:24 pm
I just sacrificed a bills on the burning alter of pootis, in hopes the gunslinger gets nerfed into the ground.
The only thing it mentioned was that now the minis don't heal while being built anymore. I'm sure that counts for something.
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 10, 2013, 06:59:49 pm
It'd still be viable if they knocked off 80% of its health and made it cost 120 metal. At the bare minimum they need to reduce its damage and lower its health enough to be destroyed by a single standard rocket. Because of its tiny size, it's actually harder to destroy minisentries than it is to destroy level 2 or in some cases 3 sentries with stuff like pistols, shotguns, and miniguns, as well as explosives if you don't aim well. It also deals amazing damage, builds quickly, gives the engineer more health (because why not?), has that crit gimmick that still hasn't had its teammate bug fixed, the same range as a regular sentry despite being impossible for many classes to destroy at that range, and the list goes on... if they don't fix it now, I'm not going to be a happy panda.
Also the liberty launcher crits/spash, flamethrower damage, and the pomson hitbox. But those are small change compared to minisentries.
Edit: Oh, and the huntsman using the projectile hitbox. Why hasn't that been fixed yet? RAAAAEEG
Post by: Descan on July 10, 2013, 07:24:29 pm
Post by: LASD on July 11, 2013, 04:10:32 pm
Also, this is the 10 001st post in this thread, which is absolutely staggering. Maybe to honor that, I should get back to TF2. This update seems to be a bit more for the old fogies. Also, there's some Trading Cards to be had.
Post by: Descan on July 11, 2013, 04:11:31 pm
... Now I want one. ;-;
Post by: Aklyon on July 11, 2013, 04:14:11 pm
Why doesn't this update have a name? Well, I guess we'll have to do with that.This thread is now ~11% the size of the happy thread then. I think.
Also, this is the 10 003rd post in this thread, which is absolutely staggering.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on July 11, 2013, 04:17:20 pm
Damn, I didn't realize there were strange invisibility watches.
... Now I want one. ;-;
Heh, I've found that they're really easy to level, unlike the Dead Ringer. I've spent hours just idling next to a dispenser on an Achievement server while cloaked. It's at 45,520 seconds cloaked, and right now it's Nullity Inducing.
All I need to complete my set of Strange Loadouts is a Strange Construction PDA.
As for the update, I don't actually play conventional games often, preferring to play on Randomizer and Freak Fortress servers. Plus, I don't have any of the affected Item Sets, save for the Expert's Ordinance, which I don't use anyway due to the whole Strange Loadout thing.
Post by: Descan on July 11, 2013, 04:18:21 pm
I'd... play the game?
Post by: LASD on July 11, 2013, 04:19:30 pm
Why doesn't this update have a name? Well, I guess we'll have to do with that.This thread is now ~11% the size of the happy thread then. I think.
Also, this is the 10 003rd post in this thread, which is absolutely staggering.
Shush, it's my (and a few hundred other peoples) baby and I'm proud of it. :P
Oh yeah, wonder what the "calling cards" are. I should try it out with my Milkman set.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on July 11, 2013, 04:20:07 pm
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 28, 2013, 12:08:25 pm
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 28, 2013, 12:12:41 pm
Sniper and Engi are also quite easy, but there are a few finer points that make them a little bit trickier.
Scout and Pyro are somewhere in the middle, as they are sort of fragile, but fast and with close range weapons, and capable of killing even a heavy in seconds.
Spy is the most difficult, but also one of the most rewarding. Bad spies will get spotted and die almost immediately, good spies will kill the entire team many times over and make sure there are never any hostile sentries/teles up anywhere.
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 28, 2013, 12:38:18 pm
Medic, Soldier, Demoman, and Heavy are all the easiest ones, IMO.
Sniper and Engi are also quite easy, but there are a few finer points that make them a little bit trickier.
Scout and Pyro are somewhere in the middle, as they are sort of fragile, but fast and with close range weapons, and capable of killing even a heavy in seconds.
Spy is the most difficult, but also one of the most rewarding. Bad spies will get spotted and die almost immediately, good spies will kill the entire team many times over and make sure there are never any hostile sentries/teles up anywhere.
Thank you for that bit of information. From what little I've done in the game so far I seem to do alright with Heavy and so-so with Soldier. I'm terrible with Demoman but that's because I don't do good in FPS when it comes to grenades due to some brain and nervous system stuff that fucks with my general perception of things. I'm going to try Medic later since that along with Sniper and Pyro might be up my alley. Right now I've got to wait for my mother to get here. She's bringing me some stuff from several towns away.
Post by: miauw62 on September 28, 2013, 12:48:41 pm
Quick tips:
-Don't ever use phlognisator or backburner. These guns are widely accepted as noob guns and they nerf the airblast, which is one of the most important abilities of the pyro, a lot.
-Practice your reflexes for reflects and know your projectiles. Reflecting a rocket makes it mini-crit, but, most importantly, it makes it on your team's side, so it can't harm your teammates anymore. Reflected pipebombs are also on your side.
-Know your maps. Pyros benifit enormously from being able to ambush enemies and confuse them.
-Use airblast liberally. If there are no other enemies around, you can juggle them in the air with your airblast so they won't be able to escape.
-Flare gun is not always superior to the shotgun, choose whichever one fits your style. Flare guns (mini)crit burning enemies.
-Check for spies and learn to recognize the hit noice, so you can detect if somebody is a spy even if they're using the spycicle. If you find a spy, use your airblast to lock him in a corner and burn him to death.
...
Yeah, I like playing pyro. I'm pretty good at it.
Post by: Araph on September 28, 2013, 12:57:02 pm
Also, when playing pyro dont bother spychecking. /kidding
(I main spy :P)
Post by: Mesa on September 28, 2013, 12:59:28 pm
Don't use the Degreaser + Axtinguisher combo though. People will hate, and I mean HATE, you for delivering instant >195 damage to the face (or back, for that matter).
Try the Medic sometime, too!
Everone wants one but nobody wants to play him (unless you're a Medic main, but those are hardly ever seen outside the competitive scene).
Trust me, with slightly intelligent teammates you can guarantee victory with a well-timed Übercharge.
Post by: miauw62 on September 28, 2013, 01:05:42 pm
Post by: Mesa on September 28, 2013, 01:20:56 pm
Post by: Cheedows on September 28, 2013, 01:29:18 pm
Post by: miauw62 on September 28, 2013, 01:32:14 pm
If you want a nice, friendly server, I'd recommend Aerolite Gaming (ALG). I've played there quite a bit and the regulars are friendly. There's a 24/7 turbine map and a 24/7 2fort map. There's also a payload map but it's empty most of the time, sadly.
Post by: Sonlirain on September 28, 2013, 03:10:36 pm
I kinda like it because it often causes enemies to fire at you even if they don't have the firepower to take you out and you can uber MUCH MUCH more often.
The downside of course is the fact you can still get stabbed by a spy and enough damage at once (stickies) will kill you or the heavy obered or not... and the no overhealing of course.
Post by: Mesa on September 28, 2013, 03:16:29 pm
Sooo any opinions on the quickfix?
I kinda like it because it often causes enemies to fire at you even if they don't have the firepower to take you out and you can uber MUCH MUCH more often.
The downside of course is the fact you can still get stabbed by a spy and enough damage at once (stickies) will kill you or the heavy obered or not... and the no overhealing of course.
It's my favorite Medigun, despite the community saying otherwise.
It's just more flexible and less punishing to use, and until I can afford a Strange Kritzkrieg it's my favorite Strange.
It's a Spammer MG (along with Vaccinator) in a way, as opposed to Elitist MGs ie. Kritz and stock.
And I like spamming (in that context anyway. Forum spam is rightfully frowned upon.)
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 28, 2013, 04:25:40 pm
I'm in no mood to rush as I'm still trying to get a feel for the controls. I don't play many FPS, if any at all, and I'm used to third person view so first person is kind of disorienting to me. I am going to consider giving Pyro a t6ry sometime so I thank you for the advice everyone. I'm also interested in giving Sniper and Medic a try as I may have said. In hindsight I don't like Soldier too much but I'd be willing to give that one a shot as well given opportunities to practice.
Post by: Graknorke on September 28, 2013, 04:33:55 pm
Post by: Descan on September 28, 2013, 04:34:05 pm
They tend to have a lower average skill level so you're not completely fish-out-of-water from the get-go.
Practising on AI is all well and good to get the controls down and skills related to your own character, such as rocket-jumping or when to pop an uber-charge as the medic. But the AI isn't exactly comparable to actual players. Be prepared to change up any and all habits you built against the AI.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 28, 2013, 04:37:25 pm
Post by: Mesa on September 28, 2013, 04:39:11 pm
To be fair, the AI isn't bad. It's just, well, different.
Cue Scout bots with pistols.
Post by: Cheedows on September 28, 2013, 05:42:47 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 28, 2013, 06:28:35 pm
I'd say jump right in multiplayer. Although I'l give you a warning, you'll have random people screaming into their mics and lots of profanity in the chat. So overall the average FPS.I don't get either of those things.
Closest I got to either was some kid on his mic asking people to be his friend.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 28, 2013, 06:37:24 pm
It has everything you need to medic properly in any situation.
Healing, Ubercharge of Invincibility, Overhealing, etc.
Just an opinion.
Post by: Cheedows on September 28, 2013, 07:01:55 pm
I'd say jump right in multiplayer. Although I'l give you a warning, you'll have random people screaming into their mics and lots of profanity in the chat. So overall the average FPS.I don't get either of those things.
Closest I got to either was some kid on his mic asking people to be his friend.
Either I am going on the crappiest servers imaginable, or you're lucky.
Post by: Duuvian on September 28, 2013, 07:14:02 pm
The downside is there is a delay before the sticky bombs are armed, so you can't detonate them in the air.
I only switch to the Grenade launcher once I have 12 sticky bombs out.
One of the best places for Scottish Resistance is Hightower PL map.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on September 28, 2013, 11:37:38 pm
I spend a lot of time on various Prophunt and Randomizer servers, and it's fairly calm. Profanity is spouted jokingly at times, with very little yelling for the most part.I'd say jump right in multiplayer. Although I'l give you a warning, you'll have random people screaming into their mics and lots of profanity in the chat. So overall the average FPS.I don't get either of those things.
Closest I got to either was some kid on his mic asking people to be his friend.
Either I am going on the crappiest servers imaginable, or you're lucky.
Post by: Descan on September 28, 2013, 11:46:14 pm
Even turning off sprays, you still gotta deal with voice chat and text chat (I mean, you COULD turn off voice chat, too, but you'd suffer in terms of gameplay because of people who tell you what's around the corner and other information)
So I doubt Malkavian wants to deal with that.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on September 29, 2013, 12:13:21 am
Furry servers, I've found, are some of the friendliest bunch. If a bit uh... explicit.Hm. Well, how bad is it?
Even turning off sprays, you still gotta deal with voice chat and text chat (I mean, you COULD turn off voice chat, too, but you'd suffer in terms of gameplay because of people who tell you what's around the corner and other information)
So I doubt Malkavian wants to deal with that.
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2013, 12:19:09 am
For the sprays, explicit porn.
For the chat, innuendo and hitting on everyone else. As well, they don't tend to know when to stop.
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 29, 2013, 03:47:41 am
When you do do multiplayer, try public servers (The Valve #** *gametype* servers)
They tend to have a lower average skill level so you're not completely fish-out-of-water from the get-go.
Practising on AI is all well and good to get the controls down and skills related to your own character, such as rocket-jumping or when to pop an uber-charge as the medic. But the AI isn't exactly comparable to actual players. Be prepared to change up any and all habits you built against the AI.
I wish I would have known this earlier. I just ragequit from a server that was too hard and full of elite elitists who targeted me specifically because I was using stock equipment. Quietly mind you. When I'm really angry I get very cold, quiet and withdrawn.
I'd say jump right in multiplayer. Although I'l give you a warning, you'll have random people screaming into their mics and lots of profanity in the chat. So overall the average FPS.
I haven't gotten that so far thankfully. If I did I would turn off voice chat.
Furry servers, I've found, are some of the friendliest bunch. If a bit uh... explicit.
Even turning off sprays, you still gotta deal with voice chat and text chat (I mean, you COULD turn off voice chat, too, but you'd suffer in terms of gameplay because of people who tell you what's around the corner and other information)
So I doubt Malkavian wants to deal with that.
It depends on my mood. Honestly I think furries are alright, especially when done right. Most people cannot into furry in a way that's acceptable to me though, which is saying something since I got my start in online games in Furcadia back in 2001. It's severely degraded since but my god it was a magical place back then.
For the sprays or the chat?
For the sprays, explicit porn.
For the chat, innuendo and hitting on everyone else. As well, they don't tend to know when to stop.
That might be distracting seeing as furries are alright when done right. I'm not going to go into detail considering all things though. Just as long as they aren't murring every other word I'm okay with it. I still have nightmares about that one MUD I tried earlier this year because of that. As long as I don't have to make a fursona I'll be fine with whatever. I'd still prefer newbie-friendly servers though - something I have a hard time finding.
Post by: miauw62 on September 29, 2013, 04:00:29 am
(Just don't ever use the Ghastly Gibus.)
Post by: Mesa on September 29, 2013, 06:15:54 am
Stock equipment is better than you may think.
(Just don't ever use the Ghastly Gibus.)
Stickybomb Launcher is a mighty beast of a weapon when used right (ie. Not spamming it randomly and hoping for pentakills).
Post by: Cheedows on September 29, 2013, 08:38:44 am
Post by: Sonlirain on September 29, 2013, 08:46:46 am
The most sexuual thing was a vagineer running around and 1 hit KOing people with a golden wrench of disintegration +3.
Other than that... no sprays of sexual RP was to be seen.
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 29, 2013, 08:52:44 am
Stock equipment is better than you may think.
(Just don't ever use the Ghastly Gibus.)
I've gotten plenty of kills with the Heavy's stock minigun. Only reason I said what I said last night is on the three servers I played on yesterday most everyone seemed to be using fancier stuff.
Some people argue that stock equipment is the true class equipment. There are no real drawbacks, trust me you'll do fine with it. I'm pretty bad at TF2 aswell, but if you can scrape up a few kills every spawn then I feel decent enough to keep playing.
So far yesterday on a server that is my level I get 10-40 kills a match, usually around 27-35, with the Heavy and his stock equipment. However two-thirds of the time I'm on a server that's too hard where I get maybe one kill a match using the same stuff. I'm tempted to check out the Aerolite Gaming servers mentioned a page or two ago but I live in California and the servers are hosted in the United Kingdom so I'm a little reluctant to do so.
Also I'm thinking I might give Soldier another try considering the two-thirds of the time thing with Heavy. I did get a level 18 rocket launcher off of one of my matches last night so if the default one doesn't work I'm going to try that to see if that helps. Also got a level 5 saw yesterday so I might be interested in giving Medic a try today as well, both with and without it.
Hmm i remember playing on a furry server once or twice... i thing it was called "furrypound" or something.
The most sexuual thing was a vagineer running around and 1 hit KOing people with a golden wrench of disintegration +3.
Other than that... no sprays of sexual RP was to be seen.
Hmm...
Well like I said last night furries are alright when done right. As long as they aren't horribly cheesy prismatic Mary Sues that make murring sounds with every other word they're alright in my book. Again, I got my start in online gaming in Furcadia. I've even had a few fursonas and my senior year term paper was a twenty page report on cultural anthropomorphism, which covered furries in mythology and pop culture. I got an A+ on that one.
Post by: Cheedows on September 29, 2013, 09:05:04 am
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2013, 09:20:25 am
What rocket launcher?
Post by: Mesa on September 29, 2013, 09:21:13 am
Some fancier items do make life easier, but you'll get them soon enough from drops if you play enough.
Mostly applies to melee weapons, since the only ones that aren't trash are the Bottle, Knife, sometimes also Kukri and Fists.
Post by: Facekillz058 on September 29, 2013, 09:31:38 am
The Eyelander comes to mind here. Sure, a little less max health, but if you can get 2 kills with it, you're already running like Usain and have made up for most of the health loss.
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2013, 09:52:17 am
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 29, 2013, 10:00:24 am
Levels don't matter, just what the item actually is. I still don't know why they have levels, really.
What rocket launcher?
The Beggar's Bazooka, which doesn't seem very good at first glance, especially since with how I've been using the Soldier's rocket launcher I've been using it at long range - making it less effective.
Some fancier items do make life easier, but you'll get them soon enough from drops if you play enough.
Mostly applies to melee weapons, since the only ones that aren't trash are the Bottle, Knife, sometimes also Kukri and Fists.
That's good to know considering that if I do die in melee it's usually to a Spy or a Scout. Usually though I'm blown up by rockets, torn up by miniguns, headshotted by sniper rifles, exploded by grenades or burnt to a crisp by flamethrowers. I can't dodge for shit, especially since the whole brain and nervous system stuff I have do deal with because of my Autism and Tourettes makes my reflexes and sometimes my reaction time a little on the poor side in most situations.
In other news I gave Sniper a try against the AI. My points went down drastically but my survivability increased exponentially. I died maybe four times in three matches, which is a record low in my case so far. I think I might give Sniper a try on the public servers later to see if I die less often.
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2013, 10:12:21 am
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2013, 10:18:12 am
Post by: Graknorke on September 29, 2013, 10:26:01 am
And your team doesn't already have 3 snipers? Really, there is a saturation of players that like playing only as sniper.Just a heads-up; there is never ever a team that needs a sniper.
Bollocks. Heavy-medic pair walking all over your payload cart in hightower? Bust out dem sniper and fire away. I've single-handedly turned matched around with the Huntsman.
'Sides, sometimes it's not about team necessity. Technically, no team ever needs a sticky-jumping skullcutter-wielding Demotard, but I play that all the time. "Countersniping" I'll call it when I'm haunting sniper perches.
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2013, 10:35:55 am
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on September 29, 2013, 10:44:50 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 29, 2013, 11:07:29 am
I myself use a mousepad to play, so I tend to stray away from sniper. Well, I used to. I've found that I'm pretty lucky with the Huntsman, especially when there's a lot of people on a server. Even when there's very few, I can get a really decent number of kills. Add that to the Jarate/Bushwacka combo, and I make a decent sniper.That's only a result of the fact that the Huntsman uses the same hitdetection mechanism as the rocket launcher. Ie, the heads are about a cubic meter large.
Post by: Mesa on September 29, 2013, 11:15:35 am
I myself use a mousepad to play, so I tend to stray away from sniper. Well, I used to. I've found that I'm pretty lucky with the Huntsman, especially when there's a lot of people on a server. Even when there's very few, I can get a really decent number of kills. Add that to the Jarate/Bushwacka combo, and I make a decent sniper.That's only a result of the fact that the Huntsman uses the same hitdetection mechanism as the rocket launcher. Ie, the heads are about a cubic meter large.
Hence the term Lucksman.
Post by: miauw62 on September 29, 2013, 11:32:51 am
Also, turning hit sounds on is quite useful. As a Pyro I mainly use it to hear if my enemies are still burning.
If you're being hit by anything but not dead yet, try to find out where the damage is coming from and take cover.
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 29, 2013, 11:46:35 am
As a side-note, I would recommend fiddling with your mouse-settings. I tend to have mine around... 3? ish? some low number like that. with 50% acceleration. Allows me to do fine-aiming while also whirling-around if I need to to take out being behind me (I play spy a lot)This may help a lot more than just me experimenting with various builds. I'll give that a shot.
And your team doesn't already have 3 snipers? Really, there is a saturation of players that like playing only as sniper.Just a heads-up; there is never ever a team that needs a sniper.
Bollocks. Heavy-medic pair walking all over your payload cart in hightower? Bust out dem sniper and fire away. I've single-handedly turned matched around with the Huntsman.
'Sides, sometimes it's not about team necessity. Technically, no team ever needs a sticky-jumping skullcutter-wielding Demotard, but I play that all the time. "Countersniping" I'll call it when I'm haunting sniper perches.
So far I like playing as Heavy, Sniper and Soldier, in that order. Ergo I can say I'm not one of those guys.
If you're going to play soldier, start with stock equipment or at least not the beggar's bazooka. You'll want something much more precise to learn to properly rocket-jump, which is essential for soldiers.
Also, turning hit sounds on is quite useful. As a Pyro I mainly use it to hear if my enemies are still burning.
If you're being hit by anything but not dead yet, try to find out where the damage is coming from and take cover.
I'll keep that in mind. I'm thinking I should look over the manual because there are various commands I see people using that I don't know how to use yet. So far all I can do is walk, jump, shoot, and shout MEDIC. I'd like to be able to do more.
Post by: Cheedows on September 29, 2013, 11:47:27 am
Post by: miauw62 on September 29, 2013, 11:49:02 am
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 29, 2013, 11:49:48 am
I've heard of people claiming that the Beggars Bazooka is perfect for Rocket Knight, but for now I'd advise to stay away. Once you do manage to rocketjump, I still prefer stock. That extra rocket can mean life or death at times. If you go Demo unless you're really good with Demoknight I would still have a good ranged ready. Usually when a heavy starts blazing duck to cover and take potshots at him until he dies or someone comes in for the kill. With a medic however, it gets harder.
I don't know if I can into rocket jumping just yet. I'm not even certain how to do it.
Post by: Putnam on September 29, 2013, 11:51:02 am
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2013, 12:19:57 pm
And the order is jump, crouch + aim at the ground slightly behind you, then fire. Otherwise you won't jump and just deal a whole lot of damage to yourself, or you'll just jump a tiny bit and deal a lot of damage to yourself.
And you have to do it in fairly short order. Fire while you're in the air, you can't hesitate and fire when you're on the ground.
Edit: Putnam, I don't know about needing to be near a wall. Does that make it easier? Or do you get higher air from that?
Post by: Putnam on September 29, 2013, 12:22:04 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on September 29, 2013, 03:35:08 pm
Spoiler: massive nerd post, I warned you (click to show/hide)
TL;DR: Rocket jumping is useful, some other things are useful too I guess, have fun
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 29, 2013, 06:12:22 pm
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2013, 06:19:22 pm
Post by: Descan on September 29, 2013, 06:21:31 pm
The button to get to the options menu is on the main menu. Bottom right corner.
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 30, 2013, 01:55:24 am
Do you know how to get to your keyboard options? It's one of the tabs in that whole menu thing (Not specifically under keyboard options, but keyboard and mouse are both tabs of the same menu window).
The button to get to the options menu is on the main menu. Bottom right corner.
I found them. Did you mean 0.3 or 0.03?
Post by: Descan on September 30, 2013, 10:41:37 am
Mouse acceleration goes to 1.0 and I keep it around 0.5. 1.0 is absurdly fast, by the way.
That's what works for me, what works for you would be different.
Post by: WealthyRadish on September 30, 2013, 11:11:03 am
Post by: miauw62 on September 30, 2013, 12:02:51 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 30, 2013, 12:04:19 pm
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Post by: Descan on September 30, 2013, 12:12:13 pm
Plus, it's satisfying as a heavy to have this cascade of dinging when you deal a tonne of crits to a clump of people.
Also, auto-medic-call is good if you play medic, so you can see when someone is low health (you set the rate), and a medic indicator will pop-up over people who need healing even if they don't call for medic.
Anyway, for a long time I didn't use mouse acceleration, but when I realized that I play classes that have a use for fine aiming as well as needing huge, fast, sweeping movements (spy, heavy, medic to an extent) it became fairly obvious to turn it on.
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 30, 2013, 04:03:02 pm
Mouse movement speed goes up to 8.0 (it can go faster than that but the bar stops moving to the right at 8.0) and I keep it around 3-5. Fairly slow?
Mouse acceleration goes to 1.0 and I keep it around 0.5. 1.0 is absurdly fast, by the way.
That's what works for me, what works for you would be different.
3.0 was what I had by default. I've now got it at 0.3 since that's what I thought you meant and I'm actually doing a little better than I was before. Mouse Acceleration I've got at 0.5 I think but I'm not certain.
Also, while you're there, turn on hitsounds. It can be quite useful to hear a "ping" every time you hit somebody.
I already did that. It does help.
Also, auto-medic-call is good if you play medic, so you can see when someone is low health (you set the rate), and a medic indicator will pop-up over people who need healing even if they don't call for medic.
After last night and this morning it turns out that Medic is my best class so I think I will be doing that. I say best class because I score at the same rate as I do as a Heavy but I get more overall points during the match. First map as Medic I came out with 38 points and I think third or fourth place on my team. That's the best I've ever done and I think I owe it to my previous experience as healer and buff supports in other PVP games.
I also gave Spy, Demoman and Pyro a try last night. I do alright as Pyro, okay as Demoman, and semi-okay as Spy. Out of the classes I've tried I'd say that in order from best for me to worst for me I'd say it's Medic > Engineer > Heavy > Soldier > Scout > Pyro > Demoman > Sniper > Spy. Kind of makes sense since in every PVP game I played I excelled as the healers, the buffers and the builders and did good as the heavy artillery and the scouts. I only put sniper low because that's kind of hit or miss for me. Of course things could change very easily as I just started Saturday.
Oh, one last thing. I have $0.60 USD in my Steam wallet and am contemplating making a purchase for one of my top five classes. Out of the ones I've seen the Wrangler, the Sandvich and Crit-a-Cola seem like they might be up my alley. Should I get one of these or should I save up and get a hat or starter pack instead?
Post by: wer6 on September 30, 2013, 04:06:35 pm
Post by: Mesa on September 30, 2013, 04:11:52 pm
Feel the power of the Medic!
Let the ÜberCharge fill your veins!
*ahem*
Good to see more Medic mains arising. The one class that everyone always underestimates. A wrong thing to do it is. Crits to the face from the Übersaw are always fun (actually no, since you only get one or two portions of the Über as opposed to... More. If you live to tell the tale and use the Über.)
Post by: Descan on September 30, 2013, 04:15:06 pm
I'd spend the money on a hat you like the look of. Something that you wouldn't otherwise get.
Post by: Cheedows on September 30, 2013, 05:52:03 pm
Post by: Putnam on September 30, 2013, 06:04:33 pm
Post by: misko27 on September 30, 2013, 07:41:35 pm
Yeeeeess...I have to say, I don't meet many people that underestimate the power of turning someone else into a unstoppable death machine for 8 seconds, leaving aside everything else.
Feel the power of the Medic!
Let the ÜberCharge fill your veins!
*ahem*
Good to see more Medic mains arising. The one class that everyone always underestimates. A wrong thing to do it is. Crits to the face from the Übersaw are always fun (actually no, since you only get one or two portions of the Über as opposed to... More. If you live to tell the tale and use the Über.)
Anyway, I recommend putting a little more time into all the classes, many aspects of playing them aren't immediately clear. You might find you love rocket-jumping, and/or blowing stuff up, or that spying is more then meets the eye.
Post by: MadMalkavian on September 30, 2013, 11:49:59 pm
Mouse movement speed goes up to 8.0 (it can go faster than that but the bar stops moving to the right at 8.0) and I keep it around 3-5. Fairly slow?
Mouse acceleration goes to 1.0 and I keep it around 0.5. 1.0 is absurdly fast, by the way.
That's what works for me, what works for you would be different.
Actually that's not how it works on my end. Acceleration goes up to 1.40 and won't go below 1.0. Therefore I don't know what you're talking about as I cannot get it to be set up like that.
Some of the weapons you get from achievements, and all of them you get from drops.
I'd spend the money on a hat you like the look of. Something that you wouldn't otherwise get.
I had $0.60 USD in my Steam Wallet. Hats are $4.99 USD and up. Therefore I got the Sandvich since even though Medic is what I'm best at I still like playing as Heavy on occasion. Not liking Engineer anymore but I am liking Soldier a lot more thanks to The Original helping with my aim. I don't get paid until sometime tomorrow and even then I may not buy more funds this week. I kind of want to get something off of Amazon.com since I got a $5.00 USD Amazon.com gift card. I don't know, I haven't decided yet.
Post by: Descan on September 30, 2013, 11:56:08 pm
Post by: MadMalkavian on October 01, 2013, 12:15:16 am
Ah, I mis-remember'd my options. 6.0 mouse sensitivity and 1.10 acceleration.
I'll try that after I go for a late-night walk. I need to get out and get rid of this feeling of overstimulation I am dealing with right now.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 01, 2013, 02:56:27 am
Some of the weapons you get from achievements, and all of them you get from drops.
I'd spend the money on a hat you like the look of. Something that you wouldn't otherwise get.
I had $0.60 USD in my Steam Wallet. Hats are $4.99 USD and up. Therefore I got the Sandvich since even though Medic is what I'm best at I still like playing as Heavy on occasion. Not liking Engineer anymore but I am liking Soldier a lot more thanks to The Original helping with my aim. I don't get paid until sometime tomorrow and even then I may not buy more funds this week. I kind of want to get something off of Amazon.com since I got a $5.00 USD Amazon.com gift card. I don't know, I haven't decided yet.
Never ever ever EVER spend actual hard money on buying hats and weapons from the TF Store. If you want a hat, you can acquire them much more cheaply from trading metal.
Really, a single key (2.50 USD) can be traded for something like 6 refined metal, which'll buy you four hats minimum. If you go with noncraftable hats, probably double that or more.
And when in doubt, just go to Scrap.tf, which is an automated website to make acquiring weapons and hats way easier.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 01, 2013, 10:53:11 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 01, 2013, 11:08:32 am
Ugh. I personally HATE trading with metal. I mean, what the hell are people going to do with metal, besides craft with it? Plus, I've found the TF2 Economy to not make sense at times. If 6 Refined can be crafted into two hats, why can it BUY four? Why are hats not worth what it takes to buy/craft them?
Actually, what you described makes perfect sense, cause you're just describing a small part of a bigger picture. It's about supply and demand really:
Just remember that TF2 has been around for a good many years now, which has given the existing playerbase a long time to acquire tons and tons of metal and hats. For hats, it's more than just crafting, they come into existence from drops, crates, promos, events, and sometimes someone actually buys one from the store as well (which you shouldn't, but it's there). Not everyone even WANTS all these hats, so demand is lowered, which results in a lower price in metal, which is really only used as a faux currency since crafting is more a niche thing that some people only do for fun sometimes.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 01, 2013, 11:24:07 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 01, 2013, 11:24:39 am
Also, if you're coming in 4th or 3th place in your team as a Medic, that means one day you'll be able to come in first with twice as many points as the second person. It's a great feeling.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 01, 2013, 11:35:16 am
All you need to spend money on is something like a single key or so so you can get tradeable items. I've got a set of really nice gear by trading. (Strange Flamethrower for vintage backburner & vintage flaregun, Strange shotgun for one ref and that mexican sombrero with skulls for the Pyro for I don't know how much actually.)
Also, if you're coming in 4th or 3rd place in your team as a Medic, that means one day you'll be able to come in first with twice as many points as the second person. It's a great feeling.
Yeah, once you get good at medic, you'll top score like nothing just from healing people and popping ubers. You basically never need to kill anyone to get the most points. Though, in essence, points don't really mean anything, but top scoring as Medic just shows you're doing your job.
Actually, I take that back, I'm actually something of a medic main, and my nemesis is any other medic on my team. I hate it when I look at the scoreboard and he's scoring higher than me. When I'm outscoring him, on the inside I'm all like "YEAH, IN YOUR FACE OTHER MEDIC! WHO'S THE HEALER NOW BITCH!" I don't know if this is healthy or not.
Post by: Descan on October 01, 2013, 04:47:35 pm
ALTERNATIVELY:
It's called the free market! If he was the better medic they'd all go to him for healing!
Post by: misko27 on October 01, 2013, 05:59:10 pm
Yeah, once you get good at medic, you'll top score like nothing just from healing people and popping ubers. You basically never need to kill anyone to get the most points. Though, in essence, points don't really mean anything, but top scoring as Medic just shows you're doing your job.I once saw proof of a guy top-scoring solely using the extinguish function of the Manmelter. 43 extinguishes. Points are a little broken.
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 01, 2013, 06:27:04 pm
Generally medics are desperate for a good pocket, and the first impression of hats/miscs is the easiest way to filter candidates. Most experienced medics wouldn't think of ubering a lowly hatless peasant, and some won't even bother overhealing baldies and the begibus'd masses. Usage of the voice menus often seems to reassure medics that you're paying attention and/or have used a keyboard before, which is another good first impression for getting pocketed. 'MEDIC!' is pretty crude, I usually go for the more refined 'Help!', and of course a 'thanks'. More advanced voice menu usage is also nice, like jeering when your team fucks up, 'nice shot'/'good work' when your medic gets a kill, etc... fully wooing a medic to where they'll follow you literally anywhere takes a lot of stuff like that.
Oh, and don't let them die. I guess that's important too.
Post by: Graknorke on October 01, 2013, 06:32:26 pm
Post by: Descan on October 01, 2013, 06:34:13 pm
Use "e", use "Medic!". It's that close to your wasd for a -reason-, "Medic!" gives me an indicator on where you are and how much health you have, so I can triage. All help does is tell me you're in trouble. No, not even that. It tells me "someone" is in trouble. I don't know who except their name, and I have to hover everyone nearby to see if they're even close to me, let alone actually need help. Nor does it tell me what kind of trouble, nor how much health you have, or if you even want a medic and instead want a soldier to come and take out a sentry.
Have a heart. Don't "Help!"
I don't even care if you don't use thanks or not, though I like it and I use it too. But "Medic!" versus "Help!" is a matter of interface, UI, triaging, and the difference between you getting a prioritization when you're on fire and at 20% health and you dying horrible while I'm still trying to figure out who actually called for help in the first place.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 01, 2013, 06:35:14 pm
I find the medic-pocket-medic love triangles that sometimes pop up interesting. I know when I play medic, some serious passive aggressiveness goes on when another medic gets overly flirty with my steady patient. "Oh no, the other medic burned to death, I guess I was looking somewhere else".
Generally medics are desperate for a good pocket, and the first impression of hats/miscs is the easiest way to filter candidates. Most experienced medics wouldn't think of ubering a lowly hatless peasant, and some won't even bother overhealing baldies and the begibus'd masses. Usage of the voice menus often seems to reassure medics that you're paying attention and/or have used a keyboard before, which is another good first impression for getting pocketed. 'MEDIC!' is pretty crude, I usually go for the more refined 'Help!', and of course a 'thanks'. More advanced voice menu usage is also nice, like jeering when your team fucks up, 'nice shot'/'good work' when your medic gets a kill, etc... fully wooing a medic to where they'll follow you literally anywhere takes a lot of stuff like that.
Oh, and don't let them die. I guess that's important too.
Very true, a good pocket that goes out of his way to protect me is someone I will follow to the ends of the earth. One game, that person was a sniper, and for that brief ten minute game, that was true love right there. The kind you only find once in a lifetime. He headshooted spies and pyros walkin up on me, he bushwackah'd sentries to death, even going so far as to rocket surf up to a high ledge and caught the sentry off guard, he voice chatted to communicate with me directly, we held off the enemy hordes. It was a real match made in heaven. Then the match ended and I never saw him again :(
Post by: Descan on October 01, 2013, 06:39:04 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 01, 2013, 06:42:29 pm
Don't use "Help!"
I should be more clear... I use 'Help!' when I'm near a medic and in their field of view, and in other cases if I'm chasing them and they're oblivious or something (and I'm that desperate for a heal), then I'll 'MEDIC!'. The idea is that using 'help' instead of 'medic' makes them aim at you, read your health, read your hats, notice your prompt 'thanks!', and then seriously consider dumping whatever bozo they were healing before.
Post by: Descan on October 01, 2013, 06:44:10 pm
I've found voice-communication a good indicator of a person's aptitude. >_> Both whether they use it, and of the people using it, what they say/sound like.
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 01, 2013, 06:49:29 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on October 26, 2013, 02:05:55 pm
Post by: Metalax on October 26, 2013, 02:36:31 pm
Post by: LASD on October 26, 2013, 07:24:38 pm
Post by: Cheedows on October 26, 2013, 07:42:48 pm
Post by: dragonshardz on October 27, 2013, 05:43:29 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 27, 2013, 04:39:50 pm
There's obviously alot of refinement to my play that needs to be done, but I can hold my own and be a credit to team, and actually get a number of kills in a row. Just starting out, I got 9 kills in a single life.
Now, this is just a really newbie 24/7 dustbowl server that I'm venturing out in, but it's building my confidence up. And god knows I need alot of confidence building.
Post by: Descan on October 27, 2013, 04:50:29 pm
'Course, you won't have the sheer power of the rocket launcher, but the play style is designed to be ambush-heavy rather than sheer power-heavy.
... Can you tell I play spy? >_>
Post by: MadMalkavian on October 27, 2013, 10:43:10 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 29, 2013, 12:56:28 am
Post by: misko27 on October 29, 2013, 01:01:02 am
There's a comic.inb4 "Dug too deep". Although, given what they're going for, that may be the intention...
Ahh hell I'm going to have to get back in the game soon.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 29, 2013, 01:20:12 am
Post by: Xotes on October 29, 2013, 02:51:21 am
More related to the current comic, why does it make perfect sense that Soldier somehow managed to
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Putnam on October 29, 2013, 03:01:14 am
Post by: Metalax on October 29, 2013, 09:42:01 am
Soldier and Merasmus keep getting a lot of screen-time in these comics, which is great and all, but I'd like to see the rest of the team get some spotlight. Hell, Sniper's not shown up for anything past that Director comic, far as I can remember, and Medic hasn't been in any.Medic makes an appearance in the Shadowboxers (http://www.teamfortress.com/shadowboxers/) comic from the time of the introduction of the Engie-bot, as does the rest of the team.
Still Soldier does get the most screen time of the actual team, followed by Demo and Engineer. The comics seem to focus more on the non-team characters.
Also link to the current comic for those to lazy to go find it themselves. :P
http://www.teamfortress.com/gravematters/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/gravematters/)
Edit: Looking at the comics shouldn't we be seeing the second episode of the ring of fired storyline around now, as it was supposed to be released bi-monthly?
Post by: Graknorke on October 29, 2013, 09:51:31 am
Edit: Looking at the comics shouldn't we be seeing the second episode of the ring of fired storyline around now, as it was supposed to be released bi-monthly?Valve time. It is a wondrous thing.
Post by: LASD on October 29, 2013, 04:34:59 pm
You can cast spells! And gather them!
Post by: Putnam on October 29, 2013, 04:36:16 pm
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Medic's Crusader Crossbow now silently reloads when unholstered, similar to Pyro flaregun
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES FUCK YES
EDIT:
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In PvP Medics can now see the clip status of a patient’s active weapon
Oh man oh man.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 29, 2013, 04:46:12 pm
Did anyone else see the refrigerator in the door of The Witching Hour's house there? It looks like it belongs to the Blu medic...
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2013, 05:10:10 pm
QuoteMedic's Crusader Crossbow now silently reloads when unholstered, similar to Pyro flaregun
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES FUCK YES
EDIT:QuoteIn PvP Medics can now see the clip status of a patient’s active weapon
Oh man oh man.
For people that play medic seriously, this makes me jump for joy.
Only the QF buff was more joyous, truly.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2013, 07:38:19 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on October 29, 2013, 10:24:49 pm
Post by: miauw62 on October 30, 2013, 03:30:39 am
Post by: martinuzz on October 30, 2013, 06:36:23 am
However, I can start the program just fine, but once I try joining a PvP match, it says : "unable to connect, server is running a newer version of the client".
I don't get it. TF auto-updates via Steam. I checked the integrity of the install with Steam, and it says it's fine. I checked the update status with Steam, and it's fully updated.
Where can I find this secret client update that I seem to need?
Post by: Descan on October 30, 2013, 11:33:21 am
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 30, 2013, 11:44:03 am
Post by: MadMalkavian on October 30, 2013, 01:09:09 pm
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 30, 2013, 01:12:31 pm
What the fuck Valve? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8REVZE-REw)That.
Is.
Awesome.
Post by: MadMalkavian on October 30, 2013, 01:17:02 pm
What the fuck Valve? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8REVZE-REw)That.
Is.
Awesome.
I don't know. Despite my own interests in the show I'm likely going to avoid Team Fortress 2 on Halloween and full moons now because of that hat. At least though it pisses off /v/, so there is that.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 30, 2013, 01:18:46 pm
You know it's not a directly MLP-Related hat, right? It has some MLP lines, but it's mostly generic ones. Not everything unicorn is MLP-Related.What the fuck Valve? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8REVZE-REw)That.
Is.
Awesome.
I don't know. Despite my own interests in the show I'm likely going to avoid Team Fortress 2 on Halloween and full moons now because of that hat. At least though it pisses off /v/, so there is that.
Post by: MadMalkavian on October 30, 2013, 01:22:30 pm
I'm not certain how to respond to this outside of mentioning the European horror that is Filly Funtasia. Regardless of that the general impression on the internet is that Valve wants money from the bronies this Halloween. Do a little research the next time, alright?You know it's not a directly MLP-Related hat, right? It has some MLP lines, but it's mostly generic ones. Not everything unicorn is MLP-Related.What the fuck Valve? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8REVZE-REw)That.
Is.
Awesome.
I don't know. Despite my own interests in the show I'm likely going to avoid Team Fortress 2 on Halloween and full moons now because of that hat. At least though it pisses off /v/, so there is that.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 30, 2013, 01:29:17 pm
Post by: Descan on October 30, 2013, 01:31:02 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 30, 2013, 01:36:23 pm
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 30, 2013, 01:37:51 pm
It isn't.You're right, it isn't. Some are. But the hat itself isn't an MLP hat, specifically.
Post by: miauw62 on October 30, 2013, 01:47:18 pm
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BLUH BLUH BRONIES I HATE TF2 NOW.
That's how most people sound.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 30, 2013, 02:13:52 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 30, 2013, 02:30:14 pm
Post by: Oglaf on October 30, 2013, 02:32:58 pm
Does the game keep crashing for some people too?I'm not getting that problem, but I've seen others complaining about it.
Post by: misko27 on October 30, 2013, 02:54:45 pm
I've heard it has to do with the witching hour. The Skeletons crash the game.Does the game keep crashing for some people too?I'm not getting that problem, but I've seen others complaining about it.
The rage tastes delicious.QuoteBLUH BLUH BRONIES I HATE TF2 NOW.
That's how most people sound.
Post by: Xotes on October 30, 2013, 02:57:08 pm
As for the crashes, I haven't had any trouble with that, so, I can't really contribute to that conversation.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 30, 2013, 02:59:12 pm
Post by: umiman on October 30, 2013, 03:00:10 pm
It's one of those, "if the only tool you have is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail" things. A nice way of saying bronies need to get out more.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 30, 2013, 03:13:53 pm
I still wonder why people dislike Bronies as whole most of the time, though.
We're good people, some just make a bad name for us, and those are the ones who end up getting focused on by everyone.
Post by: Xotes on October 30, 2013, 03:18:53 pm
Important note! I'm not complaining about the hat in the slightest, because I think it's hilarious and Valve should make more like it, but to think that the creators didn't have MLP in mind when they made it is off-base.
I still wonder why people dislike Bronies as whole most of the time, though.
We're good people, some just make a bad name for us, and those are the ones who end up getting focused on by everyone.
I feel for ya, pal, I do. Keep on enjoying your show about the ponies, and have fun with it!
Post by: Graknorke on October 30, 2013, 03:20:31 pm
The hat itself was obviously created as a MLP reference. Hell, I don't even watch the show, and I can tell it's meant to be a Fluttershy mane.Except it's a unicorn hat. That is pink.
Post by: Xotes on October 30, 2013, 03:21:27 pm
Except it's a unicorn hat. That is pink.
With a Fluttershy mane atop it. Seriously, look her up, it's identical.
The funniest part about all this is that if they got rid of the mane, no one could make any connection towards MLP.
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 30, 2013, 03:32:20 pm
People probably will get mad and quit, but I think that's probably more due to their policy of whoring crates out every month than anything else, with this just being the latest low.
For crashes immediately on launch, try fiddling with your dx version in the launch options. I think somewhere down the line in a recentish update Valve broke something with dx 9 and lower, so try setting it to 8 and 8.1 manually (and remove it from the launch options after the first run). I was having issues with that when I revisited tf2 after a few months.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 30, 2013, 03:54:20 pm
Hm. I dunno, for some reason, to me, it doesn't look much like it.Except it's a unicorn hat. That is pink.
With a Fluttershy mane atop it. Seriously, look her up, it's identical.
The funniest part about all this is that if they got rid of the mane, no one could make any connection towards MLP.
Plus, Fluttershy wasn't a unicorn. [/nitpicking]
But whatever. I might get it, if I feel like spending money. And even if I did, I'd spend it on keys.
Post by: Mistercheif on October 30, 2013, 05:02:47 pm
Except it's a unicorn hat. That is pink.
With a Fluttershy mane atop it. Seriously, look her up, it's identical.
The funniest part about all this is that if they got rid of the mane, no one could make any connection towards MLP.
Well, except when the Soldier says "Friendship is magic."
Post by: misko27 on October 30, 2013, 05:05:18 pm
I am reminded of heavy's fairy princess outfit: "Friendship is stupid magic".Except it's a unicorn hat. That is pink.
With a Fluttershy mane atop it. Seriously, look her up, it's identical.
The funniest part about all this is that if they got rid of the mane, no one could make any connection towards MLP.
Well, except when the Soldier says "Friendship is magic."
Post by: Metalax on October 30, 2013, 08:52:33 pm
Also a bit annoying that all the Halloween costume drops are untradable, so no easy way to get the sets you want.
Edit: ah crash looks like it was due to new update that supposedly fixes the stability issues on the event map.
Post by: Oliolli on November 01, 2013, 01:41:54 pm
Do I value 90€ worth of E-Peen over 80€ of steam wallet money?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 01, 2013, 03:03:10 pm
Post by: Oliolli on November 01, 2013, 03:55:54 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on November 01, 2013, 04:50:19 pm
Post by: umiman on November 01, 2013, 07:00:15 pm
Post by: Metalax on November 02, 2013, 05:23:05 am
Reduced damage from 75 to 50
Lower reload time from 3 seconds to 1.5 seconds
So lower single hit damage but higher damage over sustained fire. Have to wonder if it has also reduced the healing done on teammates by the same amount.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on November 02, 2013, 05:31:56 am
Post by: Metalax on November 21, 2013, 08:56:15 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/twocities/mannhattan/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/twocities/mannhattan/) http://www.teamfortress.com/twocities/rottenburg/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/twocities/rottenburg/)
Post by: Putnam on November 21, 2013, 09:01:12 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on November 21, 2013, 09:07:57 pm
Spoiler: Copied from rage thread (click to show/hide)
But in all seriousness, that baby face blaster change is interesting. The amputator also looks crazy good now... I think it would've been better to give it the mark for death effect (like the GRU or escape plan) as well, but hey, ubersaw is still preferable in most cases.
Post by: Metalax on November 21, 2013, 09:28:35 pm
edit: Hmmm... some testing with the Amputator now leads me to think that if you don't have the Blutsauger equipped you can't die from afterburn/bleeding if you have it out now(excluding if you are jarated).
Post by: WealthyRadish on November 21, 2013, 10:04:51 pm
I can see the amputator being really annoying when chasing down injured medics, but I'd assume most people will just pair it with the blutsauger to avoiding burning to death. I can see it encouraging battle medics, and I can't imagine why anyone wants more battle medics.
Post by: misko27 on November 21, 2013, 10:45:57 pm
For the Baby Face Blaster, they actually might have fixed it entirely.
Post by: misko27 on November 21, 2013, 10:53:44 pm
Frankly, I loved the babyface before its update. It was a spectacular weapon on Hightower or a handful of Arena maps, as you could dodge, engage, and disengage with a fluidity unmatched. Pair it with the Fan O' War, and you become a battle-dodging, target-picking, medic-slaying thing that never engages in direct combat. I fear the weapon will lose some of that (the accuracy loss hurts just to read), but maybe that's how the weapon needed to evolve.I liked it too, hell on hightower I made a poor engie trying to set up a sentry rage-switch to pyro (because what do you rage switch to to defeat Scout when you are already an engie? Heavy, but this guy didn't realize that) simply because I would run in, kill him, destroy his stuff, and then go do something else while he respawned.
I'm mixed. I liked how the old one played.
But in terms of being serious, it was not a good weapon. Speed is nice, but you sacrificed your killing power, and it could take a while to build it up to get any benefits.
Post by: WealthyRadish on November 21, 2013, 10:59:15 pm
Before, the first stage of using it was to ping enemies from a distance until you scrounge enough speed to actually fight, and then get to the real part of scooting around at high speed. The accuracy was necessary then, but had to be balanced with less damage, evening out to being about the same damage as a regular scattergun. The change clears a lot of that contrivance out, since now there is no derpy pinging stage, and it gets the same functionality without juggling accuracy and damage changes.
Post by: Metalax on December 20, 2013, 02:27:30 pm
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Battalion's Backup
Added +20 max HP passive for the wearer
Concheror
Added +2 health per second passive for the wearer
Crit-a-Cola
Reduced consumption penalty from +25% extra damage to +10%
Diamondback
Now also gains a critical attack on successful backstab kills
Flying Guillotine
Alt-Attack now also throws the Guillotine when active
Short Circuit
Attack sped up greatly
Ammunition cost has been lowered to 5 metal per attack
Players and Buildings are only targeted if in range and in front of attacking player
Improved visual effects
Soda Popper
Hype no longer grants mini-crits
Added Hypemode which grants up to 5 extra air jumps when active
Hypemode is triggered by Alt-Attack when hype is full
Also no longer separate head and misc slots for cosmetics so a little freer in wearing items.
Post by: rabidgam3r on December 20, 2013, 02:41:57 pm
YOU REBALANCING BASTARDS...
YOU CHANGED MY SODA POPPER!
Post by: Araph on December 20, 2013, 02:50:12 pm
Yesssssss...
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 20, 2013, 02:53:07 pm
You rebalancing bastards, you changed my Soda Popper..
YOU REBALANCING BASTARDS...
YOU CHANGED MY SODA POPPER!
And in the same breath, gave you a good reason to now start using the Crit-o-cola for your minicrits!
But oh god guys. Just... just try out the new Short Circuit. It's so nuts.... SO SO NUTS! Now it basically says "I'm invincible from soldiers and demomen."
And while I don't play spy often, the change on the diamondback has me all sweaty.
And I'm glad that Valve wants people to use the other backpacks for soldier by giving them nifty benefits. I really like those.
Post by: PTTG?? on December 20, 2013, 08:37:51 pm
Also, thank god the soda popper is dead. I hope it never comes back.
Post by: misko27 on December 20, 2013, 09:08:16 pm
What did they do to the Short Circuit? It sounds like they just buffed it to ridiculous levels. I mean it sounds possible to block even a ubered demo from taking down a sentry; stopping the literally definitive anti-sentry tactic. But again, can't play, so I'm quite possibly missing something about it.
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 20, 2013, 09:12:28 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 05, 2014, 06:59:29 am
Of the items available to get, there was a microscopic chance of getting a hat named "Randolf the Blood-nosed Caribou". During the Xmas event, only 2 were crafted, and now that the event is over, this hat is now one of the most rare and undoubtedly most expensive hats in the game.
One of the two lucky crafters have come forward, a guy that doesn't even play TF2 of course, and there's a good chance he'll be able to sell it for a couple thousand bucks (pun intended).
The buyer might be a guy named Noir, who earlier this year bought the first golden pan for $5500, and now may be willing to throw down more than 3 thousand for this hat. Apparently Noir doesn't play TF2 much anymore, but he's some kind of eccentric wealthy person who wants a pimped out TF2 Backpack that is unrivalled in digital bling.
I crafted a snowglobe badge, and all I got was some stupid snowflake for a game I don't play :X
Post by: Spacefaye on January 05, 2014, 12:31:28 pm
Post by: cerapa on January 05, 2014, 12:33:40 pm
What class should I play?All of them, as the situation requires.
Post by: Sonlirain on January 05, 2014, 12:38:12 pm
So I bought premium in Team Fortress 2 months ago, I liked it a lot. However, I quit because I don't know what class I should be playing, one time I like Spy, then I buy Spy items, then I quickly get bored of Spy, then Soldier, etc etc.. What class should I play?
I can't tell you what class you should play but my 3 most played classes are Heavy, Demo(knight) and Engy.
Post by: miauw62 on January 05, 2014, 12:45:26 pm
Post by: Graknorke on January 05, 2014, 02:53:06 pm
Post by: Putnam on January 05, 2014, 03:06:50 pm
Also don't buy items. Working within limits makes you end up better overall.
Not to mention that vanilla weapons are better for almost all classes the vast majority of the time.
Post by: Cheedows on January 05, 2014, 03:17:28 pm
Post by: Descan on January 05, 2014, 04:56:18 pm
Just as you would switch classes to fit the situation, you should switch load-outs to also fit the situation.
The vanilla load-outs I use for my Spy (he's my main) and as a jack-of-all-trades, for when I don't know what I need to focus on or when I need to focus on a lot of different tasks.
Post by: miauw62 on January 06, 2014, 10:12:01 am
To me, the weapons are like sub-classes. A puff-and-sting pyro (degreaser and axtinguisher) plays as different from an ambush pyro (backburner) as a normal pyro plays from a heavy.I think you misspelled "noob" there. The backburner is terrible because it nerfs the airblast. Airblasting is really important as a pyro.
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 06, 2014, 11:17:31 am
A plethora of classes have amazing unlocks that define the class though. Like pyro, nearly all his unlocks are balanced around the axtinguisher, not the stock fire axe. Soldier with stock shotty is wholly viable, but he has so many secondary unlocks that are considered great sidegrades and completely change up his playstyle, like the gunboats for example. Scout is a tiny man MADE of unlocks, and Scout mains will gladly tell you that stock scout is something of a specialist class, only becoming more generalist when you have full access to his unlocks. Spy in particular, nearly every single unlock of his completely changes his playstyle, and nearly every one is necessary in order to adapt to certain situations.
I just want to throw that out there for the people saying to just use the stock items. Alot of each class's identity comes from their unlocks. It's ok to play stock as you slowly get item drops, then branch out and experiment as you find items you like.
Post by: miauw62 on January 06, 2014, 11:30:18 am
Post by: misko27 on January 06, 2014, 11:45:25 am
Adapting is important, but the important thing about learning stock is it forces you to do core stuff. Stock pyro has a lot of hard time, but only will someone learn how to properly reflect and burn (Let me tell you this, flaming is a lot more effective then it seems if you actually lead your damned particles. I win flamethrower fights using degreaser against stock pyros because they just don't even bother aiming, or knowing anything about using it), which serves you well even when you switch to axt. Soldier as you said is just perfectly viable with his shotty, but at the same time teaches you to fight and run (learn to use the escape plan after learning how to rocket jump, or simply not put yourself in a stupid place.) Spy also has many unique unlocks, but again, and even more so for him, the stock will force ability to shoot, disguise, stab, cloak, and everything (and the sheer number of people who spy only with the dead ringer is damning).
Stock's benefit is that it lacks auxiliary things and forces you to do the basic things until you get good at them. Way too often (and I speak for myself as well), newer players think "not stock=better". The Shotty has reliability, decent damage, and is on 4 classes; skill using it is recommended, but it's just "generic". For a while I would never even consider the stock shotgun on any class. Perhaps if there was a large number of people who only played stock it would be a problem, but it tends in the other direction I think.
Post by: Descan on January 06, 2014, 03:45:10 pm
Yes, because one of the examples I used is poor (to you), the whole point is blasted!To me, the weapons are like sub-classes. A puff-and-sting pyro (degreaser and axtinguisher) plays as different from an ambush pyro (backburner) as a normal pyro plays from a heavy.I think you misspelled "noob" there. The backburner is terrible because it nerfs the airblast. Airblasting is really important as a pyro.
/me flips a table.
Post by: miauw62 on January 07, 2014, 10:34:47 am
Post by: jester on January 07, 2014, 11:53:09 am
Post by: WealthyRadish on January 07, 2014, 03:15:55 pm
-On scout, the best is still the scattergun, though the baby's face blaster is about the same. Force-a-nature is fun for goofing off, but really, nothing matches the scattergun's sustained damage. Secondaries are largely irrelevant and up to preference, as are melee items (unless you go sandman/guillotine against heavies or medic'd players).
-On soldier, the default rocket launcher is still the best weapon in the game (unless you count the mediguns, I guess). Gunboats if you jump all the time, shotgun if you have a medic all the time.
-On sniper, anything that headshots.
-On pyro, a functional mouse with a working m1, possibly an m2 if you want to master the arcane art of right clicking approximately near people to completely prevent them from moving. Also reflects. Degreaser isn't really important, and most of the time pyros could be doing as much damage just flailing around with a flamethrower as with the secondaries/melee. The main point of the degreaser is to get over that little pause of being unable to attack after using airblast, by using a secondary, so if you don't airblast, holding down m1 is just as effective. I used to play a lot of pyro, but as I realized just how painfully dickish airblast is to other players (particularly scouts), I stopped. The alternative isn't fun either, and I don't have a gibus to do it properly.
-On spy... Haven't played in ages. Right click to turn invisible, or right click to turn invincible and invisible, your call.
-On demo, almost anyone can use the stickybomb launcher well enough, grenade launchers less so, loch and load if you feel like being a dick to light classes, especially on servers with damage spread. Demoknight's fun, but very rarely better than stock.
-Medic... crossbow's the best right now, choice of mediguns, and ubersaw. Stock medigun is the only good stock item.
-Heavy... I only ever play shotgun heavy, but stock minigun is still probably the best.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on January 08, 2014, 01:24:23 pm
Possibly because you dont understand the backburner? :) Its hard to do right, but on the times when you do, a backburner can wipe out half a team and still get the odd reflect. Ive got 2000 hours at tf2, so I think im beyond noobsville, but I call the backburner viable and potentially heaps of fun.
I also personally kinda like the Backburner, as, well, having spent most of my time playing TF2 on a laptop with no mouse, I've gotten used to, and rather good at, playing with a touchpad. I've spent most of my time as pyro not airblasting at all or doing it minimally, so having a strong damage flamethrower is extremely helpful. It's all about adapting your play style to fit your playing environment.
Then again, Pyro isn't one of my most played classes, and for a good while, I spent most of my time on custom servers, playing Randomizer and Freak Fortress for whatever reason. But my point still stands, that people can still play a great pyro without airblasting.
Post by: generalpie on January 08, 2014, 01:53:03 pm
Then again, Pyro isn't one of my most played classes, and for a good while, I spent most of my time on custom servers, playing Randomizer and Freak Fortress for whatever reason. But my point still stands, that people can still play a great pyro without airblasting.
Yeah, you can play a good pyro without airblasting, but doing so helps to extend your ability to counter other classes. A backburner pyro is automatically very damage focus, and due to the specific nature of the crits, should play defensively, waiting for an enemy push and maneuvering with Powerjack to get around and score the crits, but because of the +150% cost to airblast, hes now hilariously ineffective against the hard-hitting classes(Demo, Solider, sometimes scout), and he cant counter a sentry at all. The backburner presents itself with a massive trade off, in order for the pyro to be effective, he has to rely heavily on the crits, and more-often than not is forced to hide and wait for enemies to appear and hope they dont notice him. Personally, I used to use the backburner as my primary, back when I didnt actually know how to play pyro, nowadays, I find the inability to airblast as a trade-off that isnt worth it at least, unless your playing defensively, with some form of support to help, and if you are playing defensively without support you might as well use the Phlog, you lose the specific situation crits, combined with MM or Flare, you can build Mmmph quick and use that.
-On scout, the best is still the scattergun, though the baby's face blaster is about the same. Force-a-nature is fun for goofing off, but really, nothing matches the scattergun's sustained damage. Secondaries are largely irrelevant and up to preference, as are melee items (unless you go sandman/guillotine against heavies or medic'd players).I hear this a lot but its rather un-true for me. The Scatter is the best, in terms of consistent damage, but the gimmicks of the other guns, can be effective when they're used right
Baby-Face for example, I play it more defensively until my boost is 100%, alongside it I use the cleaver and sandman, it allows me to fire sandman, by the time the ball has reached the target, if ive charged down the path of its trajectory, im 25% of the way to the target by the time that the ball hits, by the time I toss the cleaver 50%, and by the time I can get my baby-face out if I've missed, im 60%+, and can easily 2 shot a sitting duck.
As for the Force-a-Nature, and the new Soda Popper, I was described to it by a Pyro player, which helped enlightened me. The point of the 2 guns aren't to be better at killing, but at out maneuvering. The ability to dodge a enemies rockets, frags, arrows, flames, and bullets can allow you to stay alive, and whittle at their health, and it should be used on 1v1's, or even 1v2's. The Force-a-Nature gives you the ability to confuse players by making them fly, and giving you a 3rd jump, allowing you to get over even the tallest players, whereas the Soda Popper, turns you in a helicopter, negating the prediction-airshots that soliders and demos would attempt at doing, alongside that, it allows you to reach literally new heights on maps, giving him free reign to pass un-noticed over a entire push's heads and assault from the back or go for the cap.
The Shortstop is a weird little primary. Its great for scouts who play near the push, and can have medics heal him quick, but the "downside" is the knockback from weapons. At least, its a downside if you dont know how to use it. You could, for example get a heavy to fire his minigun at you, from the battlement of 2fort and, without jumping, make it to the otherside of the map. Its great for scouts who like guerrilla tactics, the ability to escape based on the enemies damage can result in you pulling them even. And, so long as your secondary is different from a pistol, you dont really run out of ammo for it. All of that, alongside the 4 shots it has that fire in VERY rapid sucession allow for a quick hits on large targets, and effective results.
Once I get home and have the time to type, I'll say what I have to say about scout secondaries and melee.
Post by: Knick on January 14, 2014, 04:18:26 pm
Possibly because you dont understand the backburner? :) Its hard to do right, but on the times when you do, a backburner can wipe out half a team and still get the odd reflect. Ive got 2000 hours at tf2, so I think im beyond noobsville, but I call the backburner viable and potentially heaps of fun.I've got to agree with this. Backburner is excellent in certain situations. For example, Hightower, when you can drop down off the central tower and crit the enemy at the cart. Any map where ambush possibilities are high. That said, it is still a situational weapon. On hightower, I might start with a bb, but I will switch to vanilla flamethrower, to take advantage of environmental kills.
Post by: Descan on January 14, 2014, 05:41:33 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 14, 2014, 07:17:18 pm
The exception to this is baby face's blaster, because its the only movement gimmick that improves speed, rather than jump height. So that has a role currently. But soda popper and force-o-nature are mainly for fun rather than effectiveness. It would be like if the gunboats gave 100% self-damage reduction, why would you use the rocket jumper when you could get the same ability on a secondary?
Post by: Putnam on January 14, 2014, 08:37:07 pm
Post by: Siquo on January 17, 2014, 11:25:33 am
Unless you like using the bat as a bat for some strange reason, the atomizer is a straight upgrade to the standard bat, and its ability is great provided you learn not to trigger it by accident.Real men use fish.
Post by: cerapa on January 17, 2014, 01:50:42 pm
Real men use fish.I sometimes play on 2Fort instarespawn servers.
I always take scout, fish and crit-a-cola, and then proceed to critfish all the snipers.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 19, 2014, 05:30:13 pm
Fish as a bat is of course always a good idea.Unless you like using the bat as a bat for some strange reason, the atomizer is a straight upgrade to the standard bat, and its ability is great provided you learn not to trigger it by accident.Real men use fish.
Post by: Knick on January 20, 2014, 03:21:25 pm
Unless you like using the bat as a bat for some strange reason, the atomizer is a straight upgrade to the standard bat, and its ability is great provided you learn not to trigger it by accident.Real men use fish.
I used to be one of those snipers, damn you!
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on January 20, 2014, 08:06:28 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 20, 2014, 10:20:28 pm
I gave in, I'm finally trying TF2.
Playing TF2 is best with friends.
Hit me up on steam, screenname: Junpei
Post by: choppy on January 21, 2014, 12:25:41 am
I gave in, I'm finally trying TF2.
Playing TF2 is best with friends.
Hit me up on steam, screenname: Junpei
i searched for it, but could not find you. can you please provide a link to your profile?
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 21, 2014, 12:36:30 am
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198029099955/
Post by: misko27 on January 21, 2014, 12:40:16 am
Post by: Knick on January 21, 2014, 09:55:29 am
Count me in.
My handle for TF2 is KnicholasG.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198072024766
Post by: Chaos Armor on January 21, 2014, 10:24:14 am
Fish as a bat is of course always a good idea.Unless you like using the bat as a bat for some strange reason, the atomizer is a straight upgrade to the standard bat, and its ability is great provided you learn not to trigger it by accident.Real men use fish.
Real men use pans.
Post by: RexMundi on January 21, 2014, 10:58:29 am
Hamshank!Fish as a bat is of course always a good idea.Unless you like using the bat as a bat for some strange reason, the atomizer is a straight upgrade to the standard bat, and its ability is great provided you learn not to trigger it by accident.Real men use fish.
Real men use pans.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on January 21, 2014, 06:58:03 pm
Post by: Knick on January 22, 2014, 10:13:25 am
I've raegquit twice so far today. I think that's the proper initiation.
If you just started, you are going to be horrible at it. I initially took the approach (even playing in practice mode) that it was like Doom. It isn't. It really isn't. The reality is that the AI is pretty good, and human players are even better. It takes a while to learn such basics as charging a heavy when his gun is spun up, or learning to flank as a pyro. I started as a sniper, switched to pyro, then heavy, then engineer, and occasionally a medic.
I am still a poor scout, spy, or demoman. I am a mediocre soldier, depending on the circumstances. I am not good at rocket jumping. It takes time to learn each role.
Overall, I suggest finding a character you like, sticking to it, and learning it.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on January 22, 2014, 06:38:41 pm
I also got a level 65 bazooka my second day, which was neat. Too bad it kinda sucks.
Post by: Descan on January 22, 2014, 06:53:47 pm
Though I have had good times where I just basically saw people I wanted to kill and did it. So it's a bit of a toss-up.
Anyway, even if you get good at the "anticipate where people will come through and what they will do" thing, it's still a toss-up whether you'll be any good in any given round. You can be either at the top of the score-board, or the bottom, there's no real middle-ground. (This might be related to how backstabs give you double points, one for the kill and one for the backstab. So if you get a kill, it counts as most other classes 2 kills. So you could have a mediocre kill-rate in a match but still be leading by like 20 points (assuming you aren't doing anything else, like capping the intelligence or sapping engineer buildings, which tbh you should be doing))
The wiki has some good basic tips for each of the classes, at any rate. General tips, specific strategies, and map-specific class tips.
Post by: Werdna on January 22, 2014, 06:55:47 pm
Post by: misko27 on January 22, 2014, 07:07:38 pm
If you want to practice, I recommend just disguising and blending in with the enemy for as long as you can. No stabbing, just try walk with the team. It'll take practice to get to a point where you can just be in a place undisguised and not die (for a while I was absolutely sure that I gave off some kind of spy aura that set me off). The other thing is cloak management. You will die a lot from this. Cloak works on everyone from beginners to pros (well, not dead ringer, but that's the exception), and by knowing where the ammo kits are and general places to hide, you can extend your distance tremendously.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 24, 2014, 12:52:14 am
To clarify, I have no problem with people being bad at TF2. I just get annoyed because I feel it gets in the way of my fun.
Post by: Putnam on January 24, 2014, 12:58:42 am
Post by: PTTG?? on January 24, 2014, 02:26:31 am
It is very slow rush.
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 24, 2014, 03:47:07 am
I stopped playing spy because of how often the class is played on pubby servers. They seem to favor assassin classes, which is fine I guess. But when you have three spies on your team, and two of them both suck and are using the dead ringer, you know there's going to be at least one pyro on the enemy team that is doing nothing but spy checking. A surprise based class does not lend itself to being spammed, and its frustrating because if you wanted to have a reasonable team composition (AKA only one spy) you'd have to constantly switch off whenever some idiot switches and starts going for their one kill every five minutes with the dead ringer. Which of course means you'll never play spy, because there's always some idiot trying to use the dead ringer.
To clarify, I have no problem with people being bad at TF2. I just get annoyed because I feel it gets in the way of my fun.
As a terribad spy myself, I too would like an opportunity to play in a low skill enviornment. It's too bad that alot of kids hop onto pubs, and they see the mysterious lone wolf secret agent James Bond character, and their mouse just naturally gravitates towards him when looking at the class selection screen. Unfortunately, noone tells them that each spy beyond the first merely causes them to step on eachother's toes, and that a single pyro that's doing nothing but 360's can hard counter a dozen spies easy.
Post by: Descan on January 24, 2014, 12:24:26 pm
Post by: Osmosis Jones on January 25, 2014, 09:06:40 am
Best rush is heavy rush.
It is very slow rush.
This. So much, this.
Post by: miauw62 on January 25, 2014, 09:12:05 am
Post by: Mr Space Cat on January 25, 2014, 09:54:40 am
Post by: misko27 on January 25, 2014, 06:03:09 pm
Best rush is heavy rush.Yes. I was once on a team of 10 heavies, 2 medics. So glorious. We all traveled together (pl_upward), and they basically lost each point as soon as we managed to walk there. Even sentries and spies couldn't stop the armada. A pyro who died near the starting area complained "It was only heavies. What could I have done?" We actually started because these two guys were both eating sandwiches, and someone on the other team replaced the sandwich eating sounds with the Popeye song; he was complaining, so more people went Heavy and started eating. He started panicking as the timer ran out, saying over the microphone "Oh god no all the heavies no".
It is very slow rush.
I also saw a soldier rush though, and that was pretty damned impressive as well. You can't cap against that spam. It was before the Short Circuit got it's thing though, so mileage may vary now.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on January 25, 2014, 07:30:32 pm
Post by: misko27 on January 25, 2014, 08:23:57 pm
Everyone is so good with Soldiers/Demoman on certain maps it's just unfair. I barely even survive a rocket jump and people jump around everywhere like spidermon. ;_;They are dangerous classes. Rocket-jumping is obscenely powerful. *shrug*
Frankly, rocket-jumping isn't as bad as spamming, which, while ok in most places, is a nightmare on things like Dustbowl.
Post by: Mr Space Cat on January 25, 2014, 11:12:22 pm
Everyone is so good with Soldiers/Demoman on certain maps it's just unfair. I barely even survive a rocket jump and people jump around everywhere like spidermon. ;_;
I can't pro rocket jump to save my life. I'm good with projectile prediction, though. I love my grenade launcher. It's insanely good for killing clustered groups of people, and it doesn't feel nearly as cheap as the sticky launcher.
Have you guys tried playing without a crosshair? It's rather interesting. Doesn't hinder my projectile prediction a whole lot, believe it or not. Bullets are a different story.
Post by: WealthyRadish on January 26, 2014, 12:00:00 am
Post by: Chaos Armor on January 26, 2014, 01:33:11 am
When I used to go to trade servers occasionally, I found the best way of spurring a heavy rush is to just sit in spawn eating a sandvich over and over again. Within 5 minutes there should be at least 4 other heavies doing it, at which point it hits critical heavy mass and the whole team is liable to switch. Doesn't work in servers where people are actually playing the game, I'd imagine.
Happens quite often on the server I normally play on.
Post by: Mongol13524 on March 25, 2014, 12:30:12 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 02, 2014, 10:13:42 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/
Post by: Werdna on April 03, 2014, 06:14:01 pm
Post by: Knick on April 04, 2014, 08:51:23 am
Post by: Shadowlord on April 04, 2014, 08:54:10 am
Post by: LASD on April 06, 2014, 03:35:58 am
It might be time to take the decorations off the Smissmas topic and take it outside.
But it was getting nice and withered and really started to feel like part of the furniture.
To actually contribute. I think the ongoing comic idea is great, there's so much to do with the characters and the style of humor. It is weird seeing the cartoon characters that were meant to just blow each other up developing more and more elaborate personalities.
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 06, 2014, 05:18:24 am
Get hyped. A parachute for the soldier might be in store.
Post by: Chaos Armor on June 07, 2014, 12:31:06 pm
There's been, not an update, but a blog post PROMISING an update.
Get hyped. A parachute for the soldier might be in store.
Or... no... it couldn't happen...
A WEAPON
No... not possible...
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 07, 2014, 11:16:25 pm
Can't wait.
Post by: Metalax on June 17, 2014, 07:37:01 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/loveandwar/ (http://www.teamfortress.com/loveandwar/)
Post by: PTTG?? on June 17, 2014, 07:41:41 pm
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on June 17, 2014, 10:02:23 pm
Miss Pauling's pistol is what I think remember to be an unused spy pistol design.
So that's a thing.
Post by: Vector on June 17, 2014, 11:54:10 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 17, 2014, 11:58:23 pm
EDIT: I've been trying to come up with a role for her and... I can't. Coming up with gameplay for a pre-existing character is hard!
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on June 18, 2014, 12:14:42 am
Post by: Putnam on June 18, 2014, 12:18:40 am
Post by: Vector on June 18, 2014, 12:19:12 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 18, 2014, 04:50:24 am
Post by: Duuvian on June 18, 2014, 05:07:43 am
Warlords were randomly chosen from the players on the defender's team. They had the heaviest armor, a one-shot melee weapon, and their class Uber-weapon but were about half the speed of a normal character. If they died the attacking team won. If they made their way to an escape route the defenders won.
Princess was essentially a flag that followed the last player to activate her, and you had to escort her to a carriage.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on June 18, 2014, 10:40:03 am
Miss Pauling would be a Warlord?
Post by: Graknorke on June 18, 2014, 10:54:44 am
So...Pauling's more of a jack-of-all-trades than being super strong though. Just the competent caretaker of the teams who has to clean up after them.
Miss Pauling would be a Warlord?
Post by: Vector on June 18, 2014, 11:02:21 am
Post by: PTTG?? on June 18, 2014, 11:11:28 am
Post by: Metalax on June 18, 2014, 11:13:46 am
Post by: Teneb on June 18, 2014, 11:41:20 am
I'm kind of hoping that the monster will be part of a new boss map, after all Jane has been teleporting bread for three days.I'm going to guess it'll be this year's halloween monster.
Post by: LASD on June 18, 2014, 02:57:17 pm
With this update, it seems like I have to break my streak of only playing TF2 on Halloween.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 18, 2014, 03:22:37 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 18, 2014, 03:29:49 pm
Doesn't the sandwich have bread? I mean, we even have the blueprints to prove it.
that was acknowledged in the short :P (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLlLQ3LmZWU#t=118)
Post by: PTTG?? on June 18, 2014, 03:51:05 pm
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 18, 2014, 03:52:26 pm
I saw that. Point is, nothing happens about it.Doesn't the sandwich have bread? I mean, we even have the blueprints to prove it.
that was acknowledged in the short :P (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLlLQ3LmZWU#t=118)
Post by: Graknorke on June 18, 2014, 05:22:02 pm
Presumable the heavy stopped eating sandviches.I saw that. Point is, nothing happens about it.Doesn't the sandwich have bread? I mean, we even have the blueprints to prove it.
that was acknowledged in the short :P (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLlLQ3LmZWU#t=118)
Post by: Putnam on June 18, 2014, 06:11:22 pm
Presumable the heavy stopped eating sandviches.I saw that. Point is, nothing happens about it.Doesn't the sandwich have bread? I mean, we even have the blueprints to prove it.
that was acknowledged in the short :P (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLlLQ3LmZWU#t=118)
See: 10 seconds later, background as Engineer talks about dying.
Post by: Iceblaster on June 18, 2014, 06:32:56 pm
Anyways, my conclusion is that the heavy will be fine :P
Post by: Graknorke on June 18, 2014, 06:44:24 pm
Valve should make a spinoff series of small games where you cover up the mercs' crimes as/with Ms. Pauling. Like surgeon simulator but... actually not too different.
Post by: Vector on June 18, 2014, 06:47:56 pm
Post by: Putnam on June 18, 2014, 07:00:32 pm
Post by: Descan on June 18, 2014, 07:02:50 pm
A James Bond-esk game for Spy, a survival game in Siberia winter for Heavy, a demolitions game (i.e. destroying buildings) for Demoman, a racing/Mirrors Edge game for Scout.
I can't really think of good ones for Sniper, Pyro, Soldier, Medic, or Engineer. :v
Post by: PTTG?? on June 18, 2014, 07:03:08 pm
Post by: Teneb on June 18, 2014, 07:52:26 pm
Post by: Metalax on June 18, 2014, 08:41:05 pm
Quote
Weapon changes and updates
With The Hitman's Heatmaker, pressing ‘reload’ now activates focus when it is full
The Axtinguisher now does mini-crit damage from the front and full crit damage from behind to burning targets
The Bushwacka can no longer randomly crit
All mini-guns now have damage and accuracy ramp up after they start firing. Full accuracy and damage is reached 1 second after firing.
All Demoman stickybombs now have damage ramp up. Full damage is reached 2 seconds after firing.
Updated Loch-n-Load reload animation
Sentry bullets are now affected by damage falloff outside of sentry scan range
Sentry bullet damage has been changed so it calculates damage based on the sentry's position, not the Engineer's
Also it is now going to be slightly more difficult to taunt kill, as you now have to hit the taunt button twice to trigger the weapon taunt to start.
Post by: Putnam on June 18, 2014, 09:12:38 pm
MY PYRO LIFE IS OVERRRRR
MY STRANGE IS WORTHLESSSSS
Post by: Metalax on June 18, 2014, 10:31:38 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on June 18, 2014, 11:27:05 pm
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on June 18, 2014, 11:45:22 pm
SHIT.
Post by: alway on June 18, 2014, 11:48:15 pm
"Y'all know what this means, right?"
"GRAAAHHHH! We cannot teleport bread anymore!"
So basically, Viscera Cleanup Detail? http://www.runestorm.com/visceraI've got it.
Valve should make a spinoff series of small games where you cover up the mercs' crimes as/with Ms. Pauling. Like surgeon simulator but... actually not too different.
Ooooh. I actually think that could be sort of fun.
Because that's totally a thing.
Post by: miauw62 on June 19, 2014, 02:32:06 am
That axtinguisher nerf ;_;rip in piece ;_;7
MY PYRO LIFE IS OVERRRRR
MY STRANGE IS WORTHLESSSSS
Tbh though the axetinguisher was op as heck. I used it myself but only really against heavies since I didn't think to do it to other classes. Makes me wonder why they didn't nerf it earlier. A weapon dealing full crits on people if you set them on fire. Would've worked if the Pyro was a long-range class, but if you can set somebody on fire you can usually also hit them in melee.
Post by: Descan on June 19, 2014, 10:54:00 am
Post by: Knave on June 19, 2014, 11:12:37 am
Post by: Metalax on June 19, 2014, 12:02:06 pm
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on June 19, 2014, 12:15:14 pm
This is what TF2 is now.
Dance.
And I love it.
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on June 19, 2014, 12:17:38 pm
Quote
Weapon changes and updatesSPIES REJOICE
The Axtinguisher now does mini-crit damage from the front and full crit damage from behind to burning targets
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 19, 2014, 12:39:00 pm
QuoteWeapon changes and updatesSPIES REJOICE
The Axtinguisher now does mini-crit damage from the front and full crit damage from behind to burning targets
Yes, rejoice! Now the pyros are killing you slightly less instantly!
In other news, people are SERIOUSLY BUTTMAD about the stickylauncher nerf... and I can see where they're coming from, and I agree.
I hope there's a day 3 to the update. I'm still so hyped.
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on June 19, 2014, 02:28:36 pm
STEAM SALE BITCHES.
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 19, 2014, 02:38:17 pm
Not going to wait till the very end for a better deal.
Post by: Graknorke on June 19, 2014, 07:03:10 pm
Conga lines are great.
Post by: PTTG?? on June 19, 2014, 07:32:36 pm
I mean, there's even three achievements with the number three in the icon!
Post by: TamerVirus on June 21, 2014, 06:57:49 pm
Also, CONGA LINES EVERYWHERE!
Post by: Teneb on June 21, 2014, 08:59:44 pm
So many threes in this update, and then they skip day 3...?Did you forget that valve cannot count to three? It's clear it must've been an outsider who sneaked that 3 in there.
I mean, there's even three achievements with the number three in the icon!
Post by: miauw62 on June 22, 2014, 03:12:06 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on June 22, 2014, 04:28:21 am
Hence, hats, videos and other graphics.
Post by: Putnam on June 22, 2014, 05:23:25 am
It's becoming increasingly clear that Valve isn't willing (or able) to change anything of major gameplay value in TF2, but really doesn't want to give up their support of the game just yet;
Hence, hats, videos and other graphics.
...What? This last update changed the entire balance of the game, was the biggest change demomen ever got, nerfed a weapon that's been unchanged for 6 years which completely overhauled the pyro and changed the basic behavior of the primary weapon of the heavy in a way that completely changes his gameplay. This is the biggest gameplay update for Team Fortress 2 ever and you're saying it's "not major"?
The sticky bomb change makes the Demoman a completely different class. Sticky spam was his main tool for combat before. Now it's completely useless, taking 5 stickies to kill a scout when spamming them.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 22, 2014, 06:41:08 am
Also, of course Valve doesn't want to drop their support of the game just yet. It has a pretty big playerbase and an in-game store to make money off of them. Why wouldn't they keep supporting the game?
Post by: Teneb on June 22, 2014, 10:40:30 am
Post by: Cheedows on June 22, 2014, 10:53:35 am
The parachute is great. It seems like most players are unable to deal with an airborne soldier raining rockets on them.
Maybe it'll finally give more use to the reserve shooter.
Post by: Repulsion on June 22, 2014, 11:57:28 am
It's becoming increasingly clear that Valve isn't willing (or able) to change anything of major gameplay value in TF2, but really doesn't want to give up their support of the game just yet;...changed the basic behavior of the primary weapon of the heavy in a way that completely changes his gameplay...
Hence, hats, videos and other graphics.
Oh, what was this change?
Post by: Putnam on June 22, 2014, 12:00:38 pm
It's becoming increasingly clear that Valve isn't willing (or able) to change anything of major gameplay value in TF2, but really doesn't want to give up their support of the game just yet;...changed the basic behavior of the primary weapon of the heavy in a way that completely changes his gameplay...
Hence, hats, videos and other graphics.
Oh, what was this change?
All mini-guns now have damage and accuracy ramp up after they start firing. Full accuracy and damage is reached 1 second after firing. Basically, it makes the Tomislav completely useless and makes Heavy in general far less useful as an ambush class.
Post by: Repulsion on June 22, 2014, 12:04:08 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 22, 2014, 12:54:17 pm
Or the Direct Hit. *grumble* *grumble*The parachute is great. It seems like most players are unable to deal with an airborne soldier raining rockets on them.
Maybe it'll finally give more use to the reserve shooter.
Post by: WealthyRadish on June 22, 2014, 01:31:48 pm
This update did get me to play TF2 after a few months though, and I'm glad they changed the sticky launcher. If I were balancing it, I probably would've had arm time only affect the explosive radius rather than damage (so higher level play where they're actually aiming well isn't affected as much), but it's still nice to a see a change after all this time. I've heard people complain about the axtinguisher change, which I find funny. They've buffed base flamethrower damage up so many times, something like 20% before pyromania and an extra 10% after, and airblast/flare/axe/gun/anything remains one of the dumbest things in the game currently. The change I'd like to see is the degreaser's airblast not affecting players (only projectiles), which would be enough for me to play pyro again.
Post by: FritzPL on June 22, 2014, 01:49:45 pm
Conga's getting old. Normally I don't kill things like sandvich heavies, rocket jumpers, spycrabs, etc., but now I make it a goal to try and contain the congas before they spread.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Graknorke on June 22, 2014, 01:51:08 pm
It's wonderful.
Post by: FritzPL on June 22, 2014, 01:57:20 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on June 22, 2014, 02:08:50 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on June 22, 2014, 02:56:18 pm
Post by: Teneb on June 22, 2014, 02:58:38 pm
Post by: Metalax on June 22, 2014, 03:01:04 pm
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on June 22, 2014, 03:19:22 pm
Post by: Rose on June 23, 2014, 05:06:40 am
Post by: Metalax on June 23, 2014, 05:13:24 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 23, 2014, 08:18:28 pm
I've also started learning the mystic art of trimping. It's outrageously fun. Such a good day today!
Post by: Metalax on July 09, 2014, 11:50:45 am
Also new beta maps have been added for play and testing. More details here (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=13817).
Post by: Putnam on July 09, 2014, 12:02:40 pm
spinning-up the gun without firing counts towards the 1 second accuracy delay.
The Tomislav shudders and begins to move!
Post by: Teneb on July 09, 2014, 01:47:04 pm
On the expiration date video, I just noticed that next to 'copyright' it just says 'lololololololo'It says that in all TF2 videos, except, I think, Meet the Sandvich, where it's omnomnom instead
Post by: Knick on July 09, 2014, 02:56:11 pm
Asteroid is a cool idea, but I could not figure out why some of the robots were invulnerable. Not a demo-firendly map.
Post by: Putnam on July 09, 2014, 03:13:52 pm
Post by: Knick on July 10, 2014, 08:25:47 am
Invincible ones are B and C robots. Kill all A robots and B robots will be vulnerable. Kill all B robots and C robots will be vulnerable.
That makes sense. Too they updated the maps, and I could not find a working server last night!
Post by: i2amroy on July 10, 2014, 12:24:08 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 10, 2014, 12:50:19 pm
More seriously, just try to have fun. And you may want to steer clear of 24/7 2fort/turbine servers, since they are usually rather clusterfucky and there will almost always be regulars surfing over the newbies' heads as if they are waves. Try a payload server or something like that. There will still be regulars, but payload is usually more fun than just always the same cramped, somewhat badly designed map.
Post by: DJ on July 10, 2014, 12:52:19 pm
Post by: Teneb on July 10, 2014, 01:00:21 pm
So I figured that it was time and finally downloaded this. Any advice for a new player?Try out classes until you find one you like and stick to it until you feel comfortable with how the game works. As stated, stay away from 24/7 servers, the players tend to be dickish on those. It's not worth it to spend money buying guns, since those just drop/are gained with achievements quite regularly. You'll probably only need to use the mute menu if some kid starts screaming in his microphone. But that can lead to amusing situations (had a kid start discussing with another regular at a server I frequent, eventually the kid's mom stepped in and started arguing with the now-clearly-trolling regulars).
And yes everyone is a spy. Even you. Spycheck regularly.
Post by: misko27 on July 10, 2014, 01:32:44 pm
I'd recommend Payload too. Soldier is generally considered a very solid class for newbies and pros but try around!
Post by: ToonyMan on July 10, 2014, 01:59:23 pm
If you want to guarantee helping your team, be a Soldier or Medic, but I would try every class so you can see what you like and/or get good at all of them.
Post by: miauw62 on July 10, 2014, 02:17:31 pm
Actually, spending money ONCE is actually a pretty good idea because you get a much larger inventory and tradable drops. But I'd spend it on a key or something (that you can trade for lots of weapons or HAAATTTSSS) instead of on weapons.So I figured that it was time and finally downloaded this. Any advice for a new player?Try out classes until you find one you like and stick to it until you feel comfortable with how the game works. As stated, stay away from 24/7 servers, the players tend to be dickish on those. It's not worth it to spend money buying guns, since those just drop/are gained with achievements quite regularly. You'll probably only need to use the mute menu if some kid starts screaming in his microphone. But that can lead to amusing situations (had a kid start discussing with another regular at a server I frequent, eventually the kid's mom stepped in and started arguing with the now-clearly-trolling regulars).
And yes everyone is a spy. Even you. Spycheck regularly.
Also the regulars aren't always dickish. I used to be a regular on a set of servers and most of the regulars were pretty cool people, they didn't go out of their way to troll newbies or something and would help generally help new people if you asked.
Post by: Iceblaster on July 10, 2014, 02:24:06 pm
So I figured that it was time and finally downloaded this. Any advice for a new player?
Have fun.
In my opinion, TFort is a rather new player friend map, though I may be the only one who thinks that :P
Post by: Metalax on July 10, 2014, 07:26:30 pm
Just a note here if you are going to purchase items, you should usually only purchase a single item from the in-game store, in order to unlock the larger inventory and trade functionality. Pretty much anything else you will be able to purchase cheaper from using the community market. If you have any games that give you trading cards, you can usually sell them for enough to make that first purchase without having to actually put money on your account.Actually, spending money ONCE is actually a pretty good idea because you get a much larger inventory and tradable drops. But I'd spend it on a key or something (that you can trade for lots of weapons or HAAATTTSSS) instead of on weapons.So I figured that it was time and finally downloaded this. Any advice for a new player?Try out classes until you find one you like and stick to it until you feel comfortable with how the game works. As stated, stay away from 24/7 servers, the players tend to be dickish on those. It's not worth it to spend money buying guns, since those just drop/are gained with achievements quite regularly. You'll probably only need to use the mute menu if some kid starts screaming in his microphone. But that can lead to amusing situations (had a kid start discussing with another regular at a server I frequent, eventually the kid's mom stepped in and started arguing with the now-clearly-trolling regulars).
And yes everyone is a spy. Even you. Spycheck regularly.
Played around a bit on the new beta maps. Cactus is great for rocket/bomb jumping soldiers and demos, particularly with the new parachute. Once in the air, you usually have fairly clear long sight lines in most points of the map. I suspect invisible walls will be erected over many of the points you can currently jump/float over though. It does seem to be a bit too easy to defend at certain locations though, although that may be partially down to few people knowing any of the alternate routes where they are available.
Asteroid is a fun variant on ctf, but needs better signposting/props to identify where you are, may be improved when the temporary wall textures are replaced. It also needs a directional indicator, like in ctf, towards the enemy core carrier. The doors that open as the bots at one of the points are destroyed need to be more clearly indicated. It is too easy for the spawn exits to be camped. The lower tunnel could do with at least a few pieces of cover along it's length, too much of a sniper gallery at present.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 10, 2014, 08:22:47 pm
Post by: Cheedows on July 10, 2014, 10:28:10 pm
So I figured that it was time and finally downloaded this. Any advice for a new player?
I wouldn't consider myself good (not be a longshot) but generally, just do what the above says and just do what you think is fun. I would say TF2 is an easy to play, hard to master game. The skill ceiling is quite high, some players can be godly amazing. But you should be fine, just be wary of your family when a kid blares into their microphone. :P
Post by: TamerVirus on July 10, 2014, 10:41:11 pm
NOT THE GIBUS
OTHERWISE YOU ARE....
NOTHING
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 11, 2014, 01:33:43 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 11, 2014, 03:59:58 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 11, 2014, 04:03:09 am
Post by: TamerVirus on July 26, 2014, 04:14:02 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 26, 2014, 05:37:24 pm
http://www.tf2items.com/id/RedAlertFan (http://www.tf2items.com/id/RedAlertFan)
Post by: Facekillz058 on July 27, 2014, 02:26:26 pm
Is there a dedicated trading thread for TF2? I coulda sworn I saw one at some point in time.
Post by: MrWiggles on July 27, 2014, 04:10:07 pm
I want scout, pyro or Halloween sets. My inventory is listed in my signatures.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 28, 2014, 09:25:39 am
I'm being the jack-of-all-trades substitute since it's being really hard to get a consistent lineup, and we've beaten three teams so far! Some of them it was a stomp, but it's really exhilarating.
In just regular pubbing, I've taken to really liking the Beggar's Bazooka and the Force of Nature for the absurd mobility it offers. More recently with the FaN, ever since I learned how to properly force jump, I've just been having hours and hours of fun on my favorite 24/7 Insta-respawn Harvest server, it lets you hippity hop all across the map, up onto roofs, off roofs, back onto them, between them, juking, diving, ambushing with the greatest of ease. Got a 23 killstreak + over a thousand kills on my Strange KS Force of Nature currently after just picking it up, just so happy about it.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 28, 2014, 09:54:14 am
Post by: TamerVirus on July 28, 2014, 09:58:39 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 28, 2014, 09:59:20 am
Really, markets operate on supply and demand. If you give everyone what they want, the interplayer market will have neither supply, nor demand. If you give them what others want (or nobody wants) then you get a virtual economy.
Post by: Metalax on July 28, 2014, 10:55:39 am
Post hats or GTFOWell, if you insist. :P
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Incidentally, if anyone is looking for any of the weapons on the first few pages of my backpack (http://steamcommunity.com/id/metalax/inventory/#440), use this link (http://steamcommunity.com/tradeoffer/new/?partner=10757953&token=KxAmwbh2) to send a trade offer to me through steam.
Post by: miauw62 on July 28, 2014, 01:08:52 pm
It's really considered the worst hat in the game and wearing it makes people assume you're terrible.
As for my hats, I'm rather proud of the Mexican Pyro hat I have. It goes really well with my NAMED DESCRIBED SERVER-CLEARING FLAMETHROWER COUGH COUGH. (still looking for something to enable kill-streaks, MAYBE with a sheen if it's not too expensive on it, but I don't know what item nor how much it costs :c)
And with my strange shotty that recently got thousand kills.
<3 stock shotgun, it's just such a good weapon.
Post by: TamerVirus on July 28, 2014, 01:18:06 pm
unless worn ironically
Post by: wer6 on July 28, 2014, 01:21:23 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 28, 2014, 01:33:42 pm
Post by: Mageziya on July 28, 2014, 01:43:11 pm
Post hats or GTFO
Spoiler: HATS... and other crap. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Descan on July 28, 2014, 03:37:11 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on July 30, 2014, 02:24:58 pm
Meaning when you're the guy at the top of the team leading by 40 points, then it's an ironic gibus. :P
That was just me ;D. The other team didn't realize that the solution to a spy killing all the engineers is not "double the number of engineers".
Post by: 10ebbor10 on July 30, 2014, 04:36:07 pm
That can work, assuming your engies are competent.Meaning when you're the guy at the top of the team leading by 40 points, then it's an ironic gibus. :P
That was just me ;D. The other team didn't realize that the solution to a spy killing all the engineers is not "double the number of engineers".
Post by: miauw62 on July 31, 2014, 05:53:56 am
Post by: Metalax on August 02, 2014, 10:05:06 am
Does anyone here have supply crate series #71? I really want a strange Hitman's Heatmaker.Sure, use the trade link (http://steamcommunity.com/tradeoffer/new/?partner=10757953&token=KxAmwbh2) to request it.
Post by: Metalax on August 02, 2014, 10:29:20 am
Any random weapon that I can smelt into metal for the two #71 crates would be fineWhat would you like for them?Does anyone here have supply crate series #71? I really want a strange Hitman's Heatmaker.Sure, use the trade link (http://steamcommunity.com/tradeoffer/new/?partner=10757953&token=KxAmwbh2) to request it.
I... Erm... Don't have much worth trading.
Post by: Metalax on August 02, 2014, 10:37:39 am
Post by: TamerVirus on August 02, 2014, 07:17:30 pm
My train is not on the hype line
Post by: TamerVirus on August 02, 2014, 10:34:26 pm
There was no storyline
There were no hats either
Just men killing men
Post by: Araph on August 02, 2014, 10:58:17 pm
I played tf2 on the orange box on the 360
There was no storyline
There were no hats either
Just men killing men
I played tf2 on the orange box on the 360
on the 360
I'm sorry.
Anyways, that Air Strike / B.A.S.E Jumper combo! It's fantastic.
As a side note, the next TF2 comic is scheduled to come out today or tomorrow.
Hype?
All the hype.
Post by: Iceblaster on August 03, 2014, 02:59:09 am
I played tf2 on the orange box on the 360
There was no storyline
There were no hats either
Just men killing men
Same here, but then I realized it was a buggy mess and jumped ship to the newly F2P'd TF2 :3
Anyways...
We still on the backpack train?
Choo choo. (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198045349049)
Post by: TamerVirus on August 03, 2014, 09:12:06 am
Also...
backpack? (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198010208688)
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 03, 2014, 01:18:27 pm
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198029099955
Post by: ToonyMan on August 03, 2014, 01:27:29 pm
I've spent way too much money on this game:
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198029099955
I've spent $5 on this game:
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197998672012
Post by: The Scout on August 03, 2014, 06:52:29 pm
I'll be unboxing them as soon as I come home from a trip.You lied!
As a side note, the next TF2 comic is scheduled to come out today or tomorrow.
Hype?
Post by: Fniff on August 03, 2014, 06:56:44 pm
Post by: Duuvian on August 03, 2014, 07:10:14 pm
1: use Scottish resistance
optional: use the nailboard that lets you push carts or capture points faster
2: Shoot out 14 sticky bombs. Put at least 3 in each entrance, 4 is better.
3: Switch to grenade launcher and spam a few grenades in each entrance. It will keep enemies from running through while a grenade bounces around in it. Often seeing a few grenades bouncing in one entrance will make them take a longer detour to try to find one without grenades in it.
4: When someone runs out of an entrance, shoot grenade launcher at the enemy and thus your crosshairs are near the stickies anyways. You should explode them when they are near them. Since Scottish resistance will not explode all your stickies you will have some left at other entrances.
5: Replace stickies as quickly as possible. Make sure you keep 14 out.
A great Demoman map is Hightower. That last stretch where the cart has to go uphill inside the barn is demoman heaven.
You could also use the standard sticky launcher and use air bursts but that always struck me as less useful for protecting objectives but perhaps better for getting kills.
Post by: Cheedows on August 03, 2014, 11:02:03 pm
I said it was scheduled to come out.I'll be unboxing them as soon as I come home from a trip.You lied!
As a side note, the next TF2 comic is scheduled to come out today or tomorrow.
Hype?
Valve has never been good with schedules.
I don't think we have to mention that game.
Post by: miauw62 on August 04, 2014, 05:02:49 am
My tip is to put one or two stickies in clear view, and then put the rest behind the frame of the door where the enemy can't see them. It's a very transparent trick, but you'd be surprised how many people you can fool that way.
Post by: Duuvian on August 04, 2014, 05:25:46 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 04, 2014, 07:38:24 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg8xNvP6fA0&hd=1
<3 Thief so much.
Post by: TamerVirus on August 04, 2014, 09:17:13 am
Post by: The Scout on August 04, 2014, 09:20:13 am
But wasn't sticky facing nerfed recently?It was reverted, because it kept the engies back.
Post by: Fniff on August 04, 2014, 10:07:05 am
I am stealthy as spy, you guys.
Post by: Graknorke on August 04, 2014, 11:52:48 am
Don't you love it when a game is so carefully balanced that you can't change anything without ruining it?But wasn't sticky facing nerfed recently?It was reverted, because it kept the engies back.
Post by: Descan on August 04, 2014, 12:25:01 pm
I managed to backstab two people before getting killed at the Nucleus king of the hill capture point. How is this impressive? I wasn't cloaked. I was also on fire.I don't see the problem here.
I am stealthy as spy, you guys.
Post by: Fniff on August 04, 2014, 03:00:42 pm
Neither do I. All the best burglars and spies throughout history were, in fact, constantly on fire and screaming.I managed to backstab two people before getting killed at the Nucleus king of the hill capture point. How is this impressive? I wasn't cloaked. I was also on fire.I don't see the problem here.
I am stealthy as spy, you guys.
Post by: Spehss _ on August 04, 2014, 04:30:14 pm
Alot of people don't like the ScoRes, because winbombing (that is, firing stickies into people's face and detonating them) is alot harder. However, one of my favorite Youtubers ever uses it alot, and he's ASTOUNDING:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg8xNvP6fA0&hd=1
<3 Thief so much.
I love ScoRes, sticky spam is not my thing, and when I have tried it it just isn't that fun. I prefer blasting face with the standard pipe launcher and using either the ScoRes for tactical traps and territory control and stuff. If I need to destroy a nest quickly pipe bombs are amazing for blowing up clusters of buildings and people in seconds.
This guy's series of videos has great tips for using scottish resistance. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssyGzfS-3bU)
Also, Fniff, learn to use your grenade launchers. Being able to land direct hits with grenades is a huge difference between an average demo and a good demo.
Post by: Fniff on August 04, 2014, 04:49:37 pm
I'm still not great at demoing, but I can see it being a class I could really enjoy.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 04, 2014, 05:10:41 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on August 04, 2014, 05:12:34 pm
In my experience the most effective demos use their sticky launchers like grenade launchers, and do nothing else.Sad but true.
Post by: Graknorke on August 04, 2014, 05:18:35 pm
In my experience the most effective demos use their sticky launchers like grenade launchers, and do nothing else.Not the most, perhaps the most effective for a while. Then there's a big gap of effectiveness where no players really are, then there's demos who can use both the grenade launcher and sticky launcher effectively.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 04, 2014, 08:27:56 pm
I managed to backstab two people before getting killed at the Nucleus king of the hill capture point. How is this impressive? I wasn't cloaked. I was also on fire.
I am stealthy as spy, you guys.
Once, on the downward slope at the end of Badwater, I found myself in front of 2 soldiers and a medic as a 10 health spy with no cloak meter or disguise. So of course I pulled out my knife and charged... and backstabbed two of them before my team pushed theirs back. I didn't die either.
Its one of those owns that was because of my enemy rather than me, but it still felt amazing.
Post by: miauw62 on August 05, 2014, 03:14:45 am
I started playing demo instead of always playing Pyro because in certain situations, a Pyro can't really do much.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 05, 2014, 03:26:12 am
The closest thing to a class with no weakness is soldier, but I find they have a mild weakness to snipers.
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 05, 2014, 06:01:08 am
But on equal skill levels, it's probably only pyro that soft counters soldier. Like, really soft, it's a freshly made jello pudding soft counter.
I don't like playing pyro because it's really limited in what it can do, and I feel just pathetically weak.
Of course, the famed Bfl Satan visits the little server I frequent often, dominates me and literally every single person on my team, racks up an outrageous killstreak, and then leaves when he felt us nubs had basked in his radiance long enough.
I felt honored really.
Post by: miauw62 on August 05, 2014, 09:16:30 am
Post by: Fniff on August 05, 2014, 09:24:17 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 05, 2014, 09:31:58 am
If you want to fuck up a Demo, run right up to them and start attacking. Demo is the worst class for fighting at close range. Even Demoknights need to be charging to be effective. My shining hour was sticky bombing a Demoknight charging right at me then leaving him with a deathcam of my rump. If I had been a second off or if he was charging from another angle, that'd have been it.do not underestimate the power of pan
Post by: Spehss _ on August 05, 2014, 09:44:44 am
If you want to fuck up a Demo, run right up to them and start attacking. Demo is the worst class for fighting at close range. Even Demoknights need to be charging to be effective. My shining hour was sticky bombing a Demoknight charging right at me then leaving him with a deathcam of my rump. If I had been a second off or if he was charging from another angle, that'd have been it.I tend to just blast people point blank with the grenade launcher if they rush like that. God I love the grenade launcher.
Post by: Fniff on August 05, 2014, 10:32:42 am
Post by: Mageziya on August 05, 2014, 01:09:49 pm
Snipers are often very vulnerable to flanking though.Most decent snipers don't spend that much time scoped, or only do so if surrounded by teammates.
Ironically, sniper is actually extremely potent at melee. Good melee weapons and moving at an okay speed means most threats can be dealt with via their knife.
Sniper seems to be based almost entirely on skill. The weaknesses and flaws of the sniper all depend on how incompetent the sniper is. The extremely rare master sniper cannot be countered by anything other than half the team assaulting them at once or multiple snipers to distract them. Then, they respawn.
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 05, 2014, 01:55:19 pm
Snipers are often very vulnerable to flanking though.Most decent snipers don't spend that much time scoped, or only do so if surrounded by teammates.
Ironically, sniper is actually extremely potent at melee. Good melee weapons and moving at an okay speed means most threats can be dealt with via their knife.
Sniper seems to be based almost entirely on skill. The weaknesses and flaws of the sniper all depend on how incompetent the sniper is. The extremely rare master sniper cannot be countered by anything other than half the team assaulting them at once or multiple snipers to distract them. Then, they respawn.
Pretty much this. I was playing Highlander with some chumps in TFCenter when their sniper suddenly dropped. A sub was called in, and he turned out to be a rare, wandering Plat-level sniper that carried their entire team until we friggin kicked him.
You can call that poor sportsmanship, but a sniper of a high enough caliber basically means that noone else is allowed to play the game.
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 05, 2014, 08:56:39 pm
It's a class that's consistent, in that there reaches a point where you're more or less immune to anything but the extraordinary in a pub, which is relaxing. But I do regret spending so much time on it rather than soldier, since soldier is ultimately the better class. Sniper is just a more lazy fun class, where you can always just jump in and get some kills on basically any map and server. Though lately what I've been doing is playing ambassador spy, disguising as teammates and going for exclusively headshots. Still can't bring myself to use the dead ringer though, since it's such an annoying item to play against.
Post by: Spehss _ on August 05, 2014, 09:25:37 pm
Though lately what I've been doing is playing ambassador spy, disguising as teammates and going for exclusively headshots. Still can't bring myself to use the dead ringer though, since it's such an annoying item to play against.I don't really like the Dead Ringer. It seems like Dead Ringer is the most common watch, so if I ever kill a spy now, I automatically suspect it's a dead ringer and keep an eye out. Plus I think it just teaches bad habits for spies because it gives you room for making stupid mistakes. So instead of learning from those mistakes or avoiding risks of making them you can just shrug it off becuz dead ringer will save meh, lulz.
Then again, I don't play spy. At all.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 05, 2014, 10:14:03 pm
Master soldiers and scouts on the other hand there is no trick, you're just going to die 1v1 unless you're a comparable skill level. They're also more common because those classes see more use in competitive play.
Post by: The Scout on August 05, 2014, 10:40:29 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on August 05, 2014, 11:05:38 pm
Remember, if they're zoomed in they have the same pathetic FOV as every other sniper, while if they're not the most damage they can do in one shot is 150.
Wait, can standard rifles headshot when not scoped in? I thought they could only bodyshot, which does ~50 no matter what. I know there's a new rifle that's all no scope, but disregarding that.
Post by: Corai on August 05, 2014, 11:07:36 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 05, 2014, 11:14:46 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 06, 2014, 01:25:43 am
Post by: DJ on August 06, 2014, 09:00:46 am
Post by: The Scout on August 06, 2014, 09:11:14 am
Take Bonk!, run into close range with the sniper, fill him with lead when Bonk! expires.The second Bonk! ends, you'll get a bullet in the head.
Post by: Putnam on August 06, 2014, 09:13:09 am
No, but you can quickscope, which AFAIK takes effectively the same amount of time. And hits for 150 damage.
There's a 0.4 second delay on headshots after scoping specifically so that it does not take the same amount of time.
Doesn't stop it from being my primary method of damage as sniper, but whatever.
Also, I'm a mediocre sniper, probably above average (given that the average is skewed heavily by newer players). Turbine is surprisingly easy a map to completely wreck on as sniper. I have at least once shut down the entire middle room with just the help of a demoman or a soldier.
Post by: miauw62 on August 06, 2014, 09:27:55 am
Post by: Iceblaster on August 06, 2014, 09:41:48 am
The average sniper is a guy with a machine wearing a gibus.
Do-Does th-that mean I-I'm av-average!?
:c
Though I am at least somewhat decent as a sniper.
EDIT: Are the B12 servers not functional anymore? Been trying to join the past few days when I play, buuuut every time it's not added to my favorite list. Might be on me though.
Post by: miauw62 on August 06, 2014, 09:51:04 am
Post by: Iceblaster on August 06, 2014, 10:33:04 am
Well! It was a good try :P
Post by: Cheedows on August 06, 2014, 10:38:43 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 06, 2014, 10:46:53 am
Hmmmm. That means I should have to get around to it, though :V
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 06, 2014, 06:21:16 pm
I MAY actually be able to run a TF2 server. Not sure if my specs are good enough, and it wouldn't have 100% uptime, but it could work.
Hmmmm. That means I should have to get around to it, though :V
Well I'll join if you do put it up.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 06, 2014, 09:43:36 pm
By "flank" I mean approach from a direction where you enter their line of sight close enough that you are already in range to shoot them. So approaching the enemy battlements on 2fort from their own spawn as an extreme example. Or rocket jumping onto the first cliff in Badwater and then emerging to kill the snipers on the ridge. In CP maps which typically have 2-3 ways to advance at all times, its often as simple as advancing down one path, then circling around and shooting them in the butt with your scattergun.I've faced a few master snipers and IME they're as annoying to face as the level lets them be. Facing them as attack on the final map of Dustbowl? Leave and play something else. If you're on something more sane its entirely possible to flank and kill them as long as you know where the long lines of fire you need to avoid are. Remember, if they're zoomed in they have the same pathetic FOV as every other sniper, while if they're not the most damage they can do in one shot is 150. That might seem like a lot but remember A if you're a combat class on a good team you should be overhealed and B even if they unscope they'll still move at 1/3 speed for the time it takes to reload, so you'll get your own hit in for free. Also well designed TF2 maps have only a few places where snipers can engage at a range and not be firing down extremely narrow lines of fire; its entirely viable to rush and occupy those positions from the beginning as scout unless you're playing an attack/defense mode.A good enough sniper can still stand against that. I've had a couple of times were some group of offense classes (generally a pyro, soldier and scout) come running towards me with the intent of flanking me. I just turn around, and headshot, headshot, headshot, and they're all gone.
Master soldiers and scouts on the other hand there is no trick, you're just going to die 1v1 unless you're a comparable skill level. They're also more common because those classes see more use in competitive play.
Post by: Egan_BW on August 06, 2014, 10:21:35 pm
I think the hat gods have given me a sign.
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 06, 2014, 10:23:06 pm
I just got TWO random hat drops in as many days. :o
I think the hat gods have given me a sign.
Quick, craft'em together for a new, different hat!
Or not, you don't have to listen to me.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 06, 2014, 10:24:05 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 06, 2014, 10:33:29 pm
do you have the same name on steam?
Post by: Spehss _ on August 06, 2014, 10:41:08 pm
I just got TWO random hat drops in as many days. :oOne time I got a tyrant's helm in a random drop. My soldier always wears it now.
I think the hat gods have given me a sign.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 07, 2014, 01:22:11 am
I've heard if you give hats to people who have "hat" in their name, the game gives you an even better hat as a reward.
I might try that...
do you have the same name on steam?
Spoiler: Just so everyone's clear... (click to show/hide)
Post by: Iceblaster on August 07, 2014, 02:57:22 am
I might try that...
do you have the same name on steam?
Go here (http://scrap.tf/sell/hats) instead and get refined metal for said hats so you can get hats you might want more!
Post by: miauw62 on August 07, 2014, 03:36:22 am
E:
Also, there are quite some people willing to do hat4hat trades.
Post by: sambojin on August 08, 2014, 06:29:58 pm
Mini-Sentries with the Wrangler is a good counter to many classes. Except heavy.
I tend to consider the Gunslinger as the best item in the game. One of those items that can change a class's gameplay around entirely, yet still be a fun all-rounder. Combat engineer is great.
Drop dispenser, go running, drop mini-turret, go killing. It's the most low-key engy you can play, is a great excuse for not being any good at engy, and still gives you all the basic engy skills (but encourages fluid play).
To the questions a couple of pages back of what you should buy as your only purchase:- Buy a Gunslinger. Expanded inventory, a cool turret, a reasonable melee weapon, more HP, no random crit (which gets you better at shooting) all-in-one. Some great builds can be made from it, and you can switch your focus from aggressive to defensive play by switching the item in and out as you wish. It's also like a scout-play training platform, just totally not.
An engy buying a Gunslinger in TF2 is sort of like an engy buying an AV turret in PS2. You get a free shotgun, a reasonable basic kit anyway, and you can do pretty much whatever you please from that point onwards.
Post by: Myroc on August 08, 2014, 06:58:00 pm
Mini-Sentries with the Wrangler is a good counter to many classes. Except heavy.If you are using a Wrangler with mini-sentries you are Doing It WrongTM. Grab your pistol and just shoot them along with your sentry instead. The number one thing that makes the Gunslinger so good is that between your sturdier self with shotgun/pistol and the mini-sentry, you are more or less counting as two people. And most of the time, if an enemy focuses on one of you, he's going to get killed by the other. By using a wrangler, you've made all your damage come from a single source; An enemy will just kill you while you're trying to wrangle him, then take out the sentry while it's disabled.
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 08, 2014, 07:50:03 pm
Spoiler: mandatory minisentry tirade (click to show/hide)
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 08, 2014, 10:49:09 pm
Before they came out, there was all sorts of fun shit you could do because the game required situation awareness. Now doesn't matter how ninja you are as scout, if you don't have a soldier helping you, you aren't going to be able to get kills within the radius of the mini-sentry. Just like, period. No point in trying. True of normal sentries, but getting one of those up is actually somewhat challenging.
What it really needs is to not turn beyond its 90 degree ark. Tiny gun, tiny area denial.
Post by: Egan_BW on August 08, 2014, 11:18:20 pm
What it really needs is to not turn beyond its 90 degree ark. Tiny gun, tiny area denial.I like this idea.
Post by: PTTG?? on August 09, 2014, 12:52:38 am
I'd be happy to see a 1 metal increase in price because it wouldn't really change anything but it would stop the complaints for a while...
Post by: MrWiggles on August 09, 2014, 01:12:03 am
As it stands now, its just too powerful. But it wouldnt take very much to make it less so. I would be in favor of lowering its Rate of Fire by like 33% and reduce its rotation speed by 33% too.
Even if its, not by the numbers, superior to a level 1 and level 2 sentry, it really does feel like it. And generally when talking about balance, "feels" is paramount.
Like, I can run up to a forming lvl1 sentry and blast it with the FoN with two strikes and take it out. Where as the Minisentries, can take two blasts, form up, take nother two rounds, and then kill me.
Post by: sambojin on August 09, 2014, 01:17:22 am
But I'll stand by the "best item in the game" comment. Which explains the hate :)
How would a 1 metal increase help? Fair enough, you can't just put down one and then another later, but a backup low-level dispenser is half the point of a combat engy anyway, isn't it? I really have to play more......
Arcs could nerf them out of use completely, but wouldn't fix them. A lvl 1-2 turret does just as much evil, but everyone's fine with them locking down choke-points. 150 metal and a bit of waiting doesn't change much, it just makes it a defensive class by default.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 09, 2014, 02:10:20 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 09, 2014, 03:57:56 am
Gunslinger engie is really fun to play though, especially since you have the three best weapons in the game: the shotgun, the pistol and the gunslinger. All of them are extremely versatile weapons if you know how to use them.
Limiting the minisentry range to 90° sounds like a good plan, because it would actually limit them to already-existing chokepoints. (Although 160° angle is probably better.)
On a somewhat related note, it makes me sad that the axetinguisher nerf caused basically all pyros to use flare guns exclusively instead of the shotty. (Yes, I absolutely love the shotgun. The only case when it's not that good is when you're a heavy)
Post by: MrWiggles on August 09, 2014, 04:05:49 am
Post by: Mech#4 on August 09, 2014, 04:15:53 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 09, 2014, 05:38:22 am
Post by: Cheedows on August 09, 2014, 10:08:16 am
Post by: Mech#4 on August 09, 2014, 10:11:01 am
I do miss the shotgun sometimes. It is really useful if you're chasing someone and need to deal some fast, heavy damage.
Post by: Cheedows on August 09, 2014, 10:23:22 am
The cloaked spies you end up setting alight completely by accident? :P
I do miss the shotgun sometimes. It is really useful if you're chasing someone and need to deal some fast, heavy damage.
I miss the shotty when you're facing another pyro, and he has one while you got the flare gun.
Post by: Mech#4 on August 09, 2014, 10:29:54 am
The cloaked spies you end up setting alight completely by accident? :P
I do miss the shotgun sometimes. It is really useful if you're chasing someone and need to deal some fast, heavy damage.
I miss the shotty when you're facing another pyro, and he has one while you got the flare gun.
Such a time is for the performance of the traditional dance amongst pyros. Circling around each other using the flamethrower.
Post by: Spehss _ on August 09, 2014, 10:40:37 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on August 09, 2014, 10:49:23 am
Post by: Spehss _ on August 09, 2014, 10:58:16 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 09, 2014, 12:18:17 pm
They also added the back scatter.
This indicates that Valve wants to make every class in TF2 like the spy, soon we will have snipers that crit on backshot instead of headshot, turrets that only shoot people's backs and stickies that can stick to people's backs!
Post by: Spehss _ on August 09, 2014, 12:22:15 pm
stickies that can stick to people's backs!I would like to see a new stickybomb launcher. There's only so many shields and swords you can strap to the demoman before he becomes swordsman.
Post by: miauw62 on August 12, 2014, 07:52:30 am
Most servers are just saigns, skial, etc. Saigns gives you gameplay advantages if you pay, then there's the valve official servers but they're no fun to play because everyone is way below my skill level. Yet I feel like playing SOME public games, or games that aren't tf2lobby. The server I used to play on is basically dead. It was good because there were always lots of somewhat skilled regulars to play again.
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 12, 2014, 08:00:43 am
I play on a 24/7 Instantrespawn Harvest server that's home to atleast a couple very skilled regulars, including myself. #humblebrag
That is, if you like Harvest, you'll love it. If you don't, then I can't help ya besides just recommending STAR_'s server or something, which is the home of ALOT of very good players nearly every minute of the day.
Post by: Descan on August 12, 2014, 08:55:44 am
... Just... turn off sprays. >_>
and ignore chat
and be prepared to mute anyone and everyone
._____.
Post by: Graknorke on August 12, 2014, 09:01:54 am
The furry pound servers used to have a pretty tight-knit and skillful community. I don't know if they're still that way but might as well.
... Just... turn off sprays. >_>
and ignore chat
and be prepared to mute anyone and everyone
._____.
[yiffing intensifies]
Post by: TamerVirus on August 12, 2014, 09:06:27 am
Shoot you in the face
Post by: miauw62 on August 12, 2014, 09:09:03 am
Also link pls joshua?
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 12, 2014, 09:25:21 am
Also link pls joshua?
Just copypaste the relevant commands into console, it'll take you right there.
The Harvest server:
connect 74.91.113.98:27015
It IS a 32 player server, and it uses bots when it's under 8 players, but I really like it, and the people there are nice.
For STAR_'s server:
connect 70.42.74.33:27015
Don't be surprised if it's full 99% of the time. Just set it to auto-connect and go play somewhere else for five minutes or something. STAR_ also has server-side plugins that enforce class limits, so you'll only ever see a small handful of specialist classes and a larger number of more generalist classes.
Also, he's completely disabled mini sentries. You can still build them, but they don't do anything. God bless him for doing God's work.
My account since I'm not sure we're friended:
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198029099955/
Post by: miauw62 on August 12, 2014, 10:17:53 am
I think minisentries are funny, but op.
Post by: Spehss _ on August 12, 2014, 12:32:02 pm
A couple I've favorited in the past and are still going:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've tried pubbing in Valve servers. Not bad, aside from less than stellar ping for me. Good choice for when you just want to shoot people you don't know. Or practice playing a class you're bad at against people who may or may not be good at the game. Like me and playing spy.
Post by: Iceblaster on August 12, 2014, 12:43:22 pm
A rather silly server that sometimes gets mic spammers and usually the admins some on and have fun with them(Most likely in the form of trolling~)
An example of said trolling funsies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATQF6KP08wU).
Anyways, what you're waiting foooor.
66.150.164.59:27015.
There. Have fun.
Post by: miauw62 on August 12, 2014, 01:39:27 pm
It's weird that it just disappeared, since they used to host the #7 or so 2fort server in the world.
(they also had a permanently empty payload server and a 24/7 turbine server)
Thanks for giving me some good servers to play on, though <3
E:
Actually, I can think of a server!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
E2:
BTW, was this posted here already?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmVsOl9qAhs - End of the Line trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXHLr-utAKA - "All you need ot know about End of the Line" E4: BEEP BOOP apparently this video is fairly bad, take it with many grains of salt.
So yeah, an upcoming update. The map on the server I linked is the new map.
E3:
The map is pretty lame though (at least imo)
The train doesn't really do much, and is just gradually destroyed by a "device", and only moves when a new point is captured. It also moves rather slowly.
Post by: Spehss _ on August 13, 2014, 07:36:20 pm
I should try playing demo with standard grenade launcher and sticky jumper. Looks like a fun change from my usual targe+grenades+eyelander or targe+grenades+caber.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 14, 2014, 06:40:44 pm
STAR_ also has server-side plugins that enforce class limits, so you'll only ever see a small handful of specialist classes and a larger number of more generalist classes.
Also, he's completely disabled mini sentries. You can still build them, but they don't do anything. God bless him for doing God's work.
That sounds like heaven.
Pity he's a youtube celebrity known for playing TF2...
Post by: miauw62 on August 18, 2014, 03:09:30 pm
Arena exaggerates everything. In theory, it's a nice gamemode. All servers have people that are better than others, and that's OK. You die, you respawn and get another chance at killing or maybe avoiding the dude. In arena, you die, gg. These dudes are always at the top of MVPs and there's nothing you can do about them. The same for somewhat OP weapons like minisentries. There's a minisentry there, you die once, you avoid it afterwards or destroy it. In arena, gg you're dead. Same for crits. Etc, etc. Arena would be fun if everyone was equally skilled, but if you're not very good you just serve as cannon fodder and die in the first half minute so the good people can fight in peace.
Post by: TheDarkStar on August 18, 2014, 03:14:46 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 18, 2014, 03:31:52 pm
If you also get weird lag followed by invisible medics, typing 'record a' and then 'stop' into the console should fix it.
Post by: Descan on August 18, 2014, 09:38:09 pm
By doing it that way, it doesn't have any time to, you know, actually record anything. Thus, saving on spehs!
Post by: tuypo1 on August 20, 2014, 05:07:07 am
Post by: Leafsnail on August 20, 2014, 01:01:07 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 20, 2014, 01:43:17 pm
I just did a Rottenburg mission (the one with the 3 tanks at the end), we didn't miss a single buck and for the last wave everyone went Gunslinger engie and we killed all three tanks with minisentries, short circuits and rescue rangers alone.
That was great.
E:
In other news, I have set up a server! Ports are fully forwarded, no hamachi required.
However, uptime will probably erratic since the box is located in my bedroom, so having it up while I sleep is not possible. If you want me to bring the server up, PM me or send me a message on Steam.
Post by: tuypo1 on August 20, 2014, 08:06:47 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on August 20, 2014, 11:03:01 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 21, 2014, 02:36:18 am
Bahahahahahahah
I just did a Rottenburg mission (the one with the 3 tanks at the end), we didn't miss a single buck and for the last wave everyone went Gunslinger engie and we killed all three tanks with minisentries, short circuits and rescue rangers alone.
That was great.
E:
In other news, I have set up a server! Ports are fully forwarded, no hamachi required.
However, uptime will probably erratic since the box is located in my bedroom, so having it up while I sleep is not possible. If you want me to bring the server up, PM me or send me a message on Steam.
You have me to thank for not missing any money :P
But yeah, that last wave was unexpectedly nuts. The last tank got all the way to the hatch and we're just pelting it with a dozen minis and whatever shotguns we had so desperately, and it gets destroyed right before deploying the bomb.
Post by: tuypo1 on August 21, 2014, 03:28:18 am
Post by: tuypo1 on August 23, 2014, 02:34:05 am
i finaly made a point of progress towards pop fly and in an awesome way to
Post by: miauw62 on August 23, 2014, 11:55:20 am
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 09, 2014, 09:35:59 pm
Edit: So are conga lines composed of both teams.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 09, 2014, 10:06:26 pm
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on September 09, 2014, 10:16:25 pm
It's my jam.
Post by: mattie2009 on September 09, 2014, 11:11:24 pm
On another note, We have a new song. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghArZKVZV2g)
It's my jam.
My jam is http://youtu.be/95hehg0v9uw
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Iceblaster on September 09, 2014, 11:40:33 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on September 09, 2014, 11:42:50 pm
Post by: miauw62 on September 10, 2014, 05:21:53 am
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 10, 2014, 06:14:28 am
Post by: Teneb on September 10, 2014, 11:36:47 am
BACK IN MY DAY, WE HAD NO HIGH-FIVES. WE WERE HAPPY WE HAD HANDS.BACK IN MY DAY, THERE WERE NO HATS. THOSE WERE SAD DAYS.
Post by: Fniff on September 10, 2014, 11:39:36 am
BACK IN MY DAY, YOU COULDN'T HAVE GUNS. YOU HAD TO USE GRENADES AND YOU WERE AN IDIOT IF YOU FIRED A SHOT.BACK IN MY DAY, WE HAD NO HIGH-FIVES. WE WERE HAPPY WE HAD HANDS.BACK IN MY DAY, THERE WERE NO HATS. THOSE WERE SAD DAYS.
Post by: PTTG?? on September 11, 2014, 01:06:41 pm
BACK IN MY DAY, YOU HAD A CROWBAR, AND YOU LIKED IT.BACK IN MY DAY, YOU COULDN'T HAVE GUNS. YOU HAD TO USE GRENADES AND YOU WERE AN IDIOT IF YOU FIRED A SHOT.BACK IN MY DAY, WE HAD NO HIGH-FIVES. WE WERE HAPPY WE HAD HANDS.BACK IN MY DAY, THERE WERE NO HATS. THOSE WERE SAD DAYS.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 11, 2014, 03:27:11 pm
BACK IN MY DAY, WE HAD NO HIGH-FIVES. WE WERE HAPPY WE HAD HANDS.BACK IN MY DAY, WE DID'NT HAVE HANDS. WE HAD TO SHOOT PEOPLE WITH STREAMS OF BLOOD. FROM OUR WRISTS!
Post by: MrWiggles on September 12, 2014, 07:56:45 am
Post by: PTTG?? on September 12, 2014, 04:42:48 pm
BACK IN MY DAY, ESCAPED LUNATICS, KNEW THERE PLACE.
BACK IN MY DAY, BAY WATCHERS KNEW THEIR GRAMMAR.
Post by: dragonshardz on September 12, 2014, 06:35:28 pm
BACK IN MY DAY, ESCAPED LUNATICS, KNEW THERE PLACE.
BACK IN MY DAY, BAY WATCHERS KNEW THEIR GRAMMAR.
BACK IN MY DAY, WE DIDN'T YELL SO MUCH.
Post by: MrWiggles on September 13, 2014, 01:47:05 am
Post by: Rose on September 14, 2014, 10:00:15 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 15, 2014, 09:47:10 am
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198029099955/
Post by: Sinlessmoon on September 15, 2014, 10:41:11 am
BACK IN MY DAY, ESCAPED LUNATICS, KNEW THERE PLACE.
BACK IN MY DAY, BAY WATCHERS KNEW THEIR GRAMMAR.
BACK IN MY DAY, WE DIDN'T YELL SO MUCH.
BACK IN MY DAY,... Wait I haven't been on here long enough...
Post by: MaximumZero on September 15, 2014, 12:24:09 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 15, 2014, 12:32:13 pm
Hey, all. I just went premium recently, and was wondering if I had anything worth trading or selling (http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043791538). I'm not even really sure what's valuable, but I trust B12 to not screw me over too badly.
Well, that site you linked tells you the value of all your items. Your Rancho Relaxo is the most valuable item in your possession, at a staggering value of 2(!!) dollars.
And I'm guessing that you ascended to premium by buying pink paint, that you then used to paint your Ghastlier Gibus??
Post by: MaximumZero on September 15, 2014, 12:36:48 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 15, 2014, 12:51:40 pm
My Gibus has been pink for a long time. I got the paint on a random-drop over a year ago. I bought the Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol. Wanted a new Scout gun, although I don't scout very often.
Hmm, I wasn't even aware that paint could drop for non-premium players. The more you know I guess.
But Welcome to Premium.
You don't really need to worry about trading right now, unless you want to cash out the Rancho Relaxo for a ton of refined metal, which you can then turn around and trade for unique versions of every weapon in the game with. It's not necessary at all, mind you, but you'll never be left with that thought of "Oh I wish I had that weapon" cause you'll have it. EDIT: Though personally, I'd advise holding on to that taunt. It's SUPER AWESOME.
But please don't buy weapons from the mann co. store :X That's an awful waste of money, when you could get premium with something harmless like a giftapult that only costs like 10 cents. Or if you're intent on something more expensive, buy a key or something that'll hold its value :I
Post by: MaximumZero on September 15, 2014, 12:57:10 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 15, 2014, 12:59:59 pm
Oh, no worries. I didn't spend any actual money. I got the cash from selling trading cards. Also, whatever it was that I actually bought, it was only $.49 to begin with.
Then PFFFT, take your purchased noncraftable Buff Banner and HORN IT UP.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 15, 2014, 01:04:24 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 15, 2014, 01:11:38 pm
Post by: Graknorke on September 15, 2014, 01:34:20 pm
I think I don't have premium in spite of originally buying the gameIf you bought it then you do. I would know, since I did and do.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 15, 2014, 01:41:10 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 15, 2014, 01:56:36 pm
I know I should be since I have the Proof of Purchase, but as far as I can tell I've never had a non-free drop. I guess I do have the backpack expansion though.
OH OK then, but I should let you know that premium drops are VERY rare. It's noteworthy when you get one, cause it'll probably only happen every 200 or so hours of playtime. The really unlucky people will only get one every 500 hours or so. Every hat drop I've ever gotten could be counted on both hands, and even then only maybe.
I was actually kinda surprised to see that Max got a taunt drop, like LITERALLY just after turning premium. That's astounding, jaw-dropping good luck. I've never got a taunt drop ever.
Valve playing really close to the chest with the hat/taunt drops yo. But surprisingly enough, it keeps the hatconomy afloat just with the sheer number of people that play :O
Post by: The Scout on September 15, 2014, 03:57:10 pm
Post by: Putnam on September 15, 2014, 04:06:54 pm
I know I should be since I have the Proof of Purchase, but as far as I can tell I've never had a non-free drop. I guess I do have the backpack expansion though.
OH OK then, but I should let you know that premium drops are VERY rare. It's noteworthy when you get one, cause it'll probably only happen every 200 or so hours of playtime. The really unlucky people will only get one every 500 hours or so. Every hat drop I've ever gotten could be counted on both hands, and even then only maybe.
I was actually kinda surprised to see that Max got a taunt drop, like LITERALLY just after turning premium. That's astounding, jaw-dropping good luck. I've never got a taunt drop ever.
Valve playing really close to the chest with the hat/taunt drops yo. But surprisingly enough, it keeps the hatconomy afloat just with the sheer number of people that play :O
I'm a lucky sumbitch. Managed to get 3 hats back when the idler was a thing; I ended up losing one of them because I only managed to get one hat while using the idler program. The one I lost was the Engineer's only hat at the time, the Mining Light, and I happened to get another one about 4 hours after the first one (two hats in a row at the time, which was less than a 1/100000 chance to happen IIRC; the drop system was different then). Now, I have plenty hats.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 15, 2014, 04:33:58 pm
Post by: ggamer on September 15, 2014, 04:56:33 pm
Hey, all. I just went premium recently, and was wondering if I had anything worth trading or selling (http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043791538). I'm not even really sure what's valuable, but I trust B12 to not screw me over too badly.
What ya want for that gunslinger? If you main spy, I could probably trade one of the unique knives for it.
Post by: miauw62 on September 16, 2014, 10:02:59 am
But eh, I have like seven ref just chilling in my backpack.
Post by: TamerVirus on September 16, 2014, 10:14:51 am
Post by: Iceblaster on September 16, 2014, 10:15:30 am
:P
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 16, 2014, 10:40:05 am
Also, apparently audition reels are a thing now. Why would anyone ever open crates...
Post by: TamerVirus on September 16, 2014, 10:54:13 am
Or rancho...
Post by: Iceblaster on September 16, 2014, 11:00:22 am
I have a bunch of stuff on the market, though with how I proved it, I may not get any monies :3
Post by: miauw62 on September 16, 2014, 11:28:29 am
Pay special attention to my favorite item: The server-clearing named described ft with over 4000 kills.
And the shotty with over a thousand kills I guess. I don't use it anymore on my pyro though, since the reserve shooter is godly.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 16, 2014, 11:38:28 am
Its been due for cleaning for a while, but I like to keep copies of items so I can craft new weapons as they come out. So mainly I just delete a crate whenever I get a random drop.
I don't seek out trades but if you want one of the duplicate weapons or unused stranges I'm willing to trade.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 16, 2014, 11:39:28 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 16, 2014, 11:43:36 am
So mainly I just use flare gun, which is better if you aren't facing pyros IMO (crits instead of minicriting, can be effectively used for longer, annoys the shit out of snipers). Granted I formed this opinion back when the axetinquisher was mandatory on every pyro so with that nerf... nah, I'd still use flare gun.
Edit: You know what I'd like to see? I think the fire axe should crit against pyros. I know stock weapons aren't supposed to have listed modifiers but let's be honest, the axetinquisher is already the stock pyro axe and the fire axe is basically just a debuff to newbs at this point. And it would add some skill to derpy pyro fights sans RS.
Post by: Teneb on September 16, 2014, 12:08:11 pm
I've found that if I bring degreaser I want axetinquisher, and having both the axetinquisher and RS in my loadout is too much weapon switching. I like to know what "q" will give me thank you very much.Pyro fights are won by backpedalling while spewing flames. That is because of how the hit detection work, so if you use the flamethrower while running forward, your range will be smaller than if you were standing still, or going backwards.
So mainly I just use flare gun, which is better if you aren't facing pyros IMO (crits instead of minicriting, can be effectively used for longer, annoys the shit out of snipers). Granted I formed this opinion back when the axetinquisher was mandatory on every pyro so with that nerf... nah, I'd still use flare gun.
Edit: You know what I'd like to see? I think the fire axe should crit against pyros. I know stock weapons aren't supposed to have listed modifiers but let's be honest, the axetinquisher is already the stock pyro axe and the fire axe is basically just a debuff to newbs at this point. And it would add some skill to derpy pyro fights sans RS.
Also homewrecker for defending and powerjack for attacking.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 16, 2014, 12:09:25 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on September 16, 2014, 12:18:49 pm
Also as far as I can tell the damage of a Reserve Shooter mini-crit is quite comparable to the damage of a Flare Gun crit. Obviously there's a tradeoff between range and utility in fights against other pyros/jumpers.
Edit: You know what I'd like to see? I think the fire axe should crit against pyros. I know stock weapons aren't supposed to have listed modifiers but let's be honest, the axetinquisher is already the stock pyro axe and the fire axe is basically just a debuff to newbs at this point. And it would add some skill to derpy pyro fights sans RS.That would make pyro vs pyro matches sortof stupid. I think it should maybe get the same bonus as The Third Degree, which is a straight upgrade.
Post by: miauw62 on September 16, 2014, 12:33:41 pm
Also I don't use the flare gun because I can't aim for shit with the flaregun.
I solve Engimatic's issue by having the scrollwheel weapon switch not require an extra click, so I don't use q at all :P
Sometimes I think I should switch to the degreaser, but my inner noob is repulsed by the damage malusses and strange degreasers cost so much more than strange flamethrowers...
Post by: Teneb on September 16, 2014, 12:36:13 pm
I basically never melee as a pyro unless i'm finishing off a heavyThere is a strange beauty in powrjack-critting those noob-ish scouts that try to bat you to death.
Post by: Spehss _ on September 16, 2014, 12:51:19 pm
One time I was outside the other teams' spawn on Turbine when my team capped the flag and I got the crit bonus while I had a medic healing me. Shit was cray. I was tanking the entire enemy team and oneshotting almost everyone. Was especially satisfying since the server plug-in was announcing my multikills to everyone.
I miss that powerjack. Probably op and stupid but it was fun.
Post by: miauw62 on September 16, 2014, 12:56:13 pm
Probably op and stupid but it was fun.this quote perfectly describes minisentries.
Post by: Teneb on September 16, 2014, 12:57:09 pm
No, no. Ministenries + frontier justice? Oh yes.Probably op and stupid but it was fun.this quote perfectly describes minisentries.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 16, 2014, 12:57:27 pm
FTFYProbably op and stupidthis quote perfectly describes minisentries.but it was fun.
Post by: Iceblaster on September 16, 2014, 01:01:13 pm
They're a legitimate defense strategy when you have no engis and last is about to be capped :P
(May only apply to upward, but damnit it's useful.)
Post by: miauw62 on September 16, 2014, 01:10:55 pm
Minisentires are hilariously fun to play with though. I doubt getting powerjack-critted by an unkillable dude was very fun either :VFTFYProbably op and stupidthis quote perfectly describes minisentries.but it was fun.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 16, 2014, 01:16:12 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on September 16, 2014, 01:44:05 pm
Minisentires are hilariously fun to play with though. I doubt getting powerjack-critted by an unkillable dude was very fun either :VTo be fair, the unkillable powerjacking only lasted as long as the crit bonus lasted, which is ~5 seconds.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 16, 2014, 02:05:01 pm
The problem is that for most classes in the game, taking out a mini-sentry is more painful (not just in terms of health lost, but in terms of time spent and exposure to fire from other sources) than building a mini-sentry is, which is not even remotely true of standard sentries. And since its a sentry there isn't nearly as much strategy to fighting it is there is fighting a player. Which is fine for normal sentries because of all their weaknesses, but when you strip those away...
Post by: Leafsnail on September 16, 2014, 02:23:18 pm
e: I also think that the Widowmaker is one of those weapons that only really works well if you're playing against people that are much worse than you.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on September 16, 2014, 02:28:02 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on September 16, 2014, 02:54:55 pm
e: I also think that the Widowmaker is one of those weapons that only really works well if you're playing against people that are much worse than you.Widowmaker depends on your skill at aiming. Don't see how other player's skills impact your own skill at aiming aside from bad players being easier targets.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 16, 2014, 03:45:56 pm
Now if you're using a standard sentry completely running out of metal when you run out of ammo is a problem. But as a gunslinger engi you're never really obligated to repair anything, so you can manage your metal soley to feed the widowmaker. Plus the 100 metal you get after building a mini-sentry is MORE than enough to never run out of ammo. Even better, picking up weapons off the ground reloads your weapon, not your reserve.
Add this to an already assembled mini-sentry and you're basically a mini-heavy, you've got a combined health of 225, and comparable DPS at everything except point blank or crits. Plus carrying your minisentry you move faster than a heavy and I believe the sentry and minigun deploy at about the same speed. You'll still lose to heavies if they ignore your mini-sentries but it will be suprisingly close. All this damage is hitscan because fuck pyros, and a lot of it is perfectly accurate and has significant knockback because fuck scouts.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 16, 2014, 04:20:10 pm
Widowmaker depends on your skill at aiming. Don't see how other player's skills impact your own skill at aiming aside from bad players being easier targets.Because as you say good players are more difficult targets, and I find it deeply unlikely that you'd get more than 6 shots off in a row against competent opponents at an appropriate range unless you're being ubered or something. You should surely have been shot dead by non-shit players by that point.
That said I can sortof see the appeal if you're using the pistol so you have another option for longer range.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 16, 2014, 04:41:57 pm
Because as you say good players are more difficult targets, and I find it deeply unlikely that you'd get more than 6 shots off in a row against competent opponents at an appropriate range unless you're being ubered or something. You should surely have been shot dead by non-shit players by that point.
Its a hitscan weapon so there's only so good you can be at dodging it.
As for return fire... it takes a little creativity, sure. But 2 out of the 5 "combat" classes suck against you (scouts can't get close because fuck minisentries, pyros are the same but slower, have greatly reduced DPS, and airblast won't help them), one of them sucks at chasing and has to spin up to kill your minisentry, and the remaining two are admittedly pretty good against you. But still, two dodge-able rockets/grenades to kill you, two to kill your minisentry... you can be pretty annoying, especially if you're creative about where you put the mini-sentry and yourself. On top of that you get to be one of only two classes that can directly heal others, and you'll kill/easily run away from all the other support/assassin classes.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 17, 2014, 01:03:16 am
Incidentally the mini-sentry has apparently been nerfed, the hitbox is now much larger.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Knirisk on September 17, 2014, 01:26:15 am
The only reason I like the widowmaker at all is because there's no need to reload. That's... about it. I mean, others could probably find a positive reason to like the widowmaker, but I just like it because there's no need to reload. It...kind of sucks if you can't hit anything, though, because technically, you only get 6 shots unless you manage to do damage. Usually, though, you'll be able to do around 20 damage or so at the minimum, and any combat effectiveness lost through not having ammo is generally made up through blatant use of the mini-sentry.
Post by: MrWiggles on September 17, 2014, 01:47:56 am
Post by: crazysheep on September 17, 2014, 02:38:57 am
Post by: MrWiggles on September 17, 2014, 02:42:08 am
Post by: crazysheep on September 17, 2014, 03:35:33 am
The patch notes include this:
> Fixed Mini-Sentry collision hull and hitbox being scaled smaller than they should be
Post by: miauw62 on September 17, 2014, 05:53:22 am
Pistol is also really useful and underestimated.
Gunslinger engie goes best with another "normal" engie, since you can help and assist him or give him your disp for protection while you run around and shoot dudes. This works especially well on gorge, in my experience.
Post by: Metalax on September 17, 2014, 09:52:39 am
Post by: Mech#4 on September 17, 2014, 10:44:22 am
Post by: Spehss _ on September 17, 2014, 12:22:18 pm
I like how the pistol fires nearly as fast as you can click.
Pistol actual has a limit to the fire rate. This was done because people were binding fire to mouse wheel and then using mousewheel to get ludicrous firing speeds that were impossible to achieve just by clicking fast.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 17, 2014, 06:23:52 pm
I like how the pistol fires nearly as fast as you can click. I find when it comes to spies, it's not so much trying to kill them but just making them jumpy and making mistakes. A spy who just got hit by a stray bullet is probably going to move in case more are coming, potentially bumping into someone.
You have no idea the shit I've pulled off as spy by ignoring people who are shooting me. The fact that that trick works is the best thing that
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 17, 2014, 07:19:56 pm
I like how the pistol fires nearly as fast as you can click. I find when it comes to spies, it's not so much trying to kill them but just making them jumpy and making mistakes. A spy who just got hit by a stray bullet is probably going to move in case more are coming, potentially bumping into someone.
You have no idea the shit I've pulled off as spy by ignoring people who are shooting me. The fact that that trick works is the best thing thatnewb spiesbaby sphees have ever done for me.
Fun fact: disguised spies have an intrinsic knockback reduction bonus. This is the most noticeable with the force of nature, where even scoring a clean, close-range meatshot on'em just gently pops them into the air, as opposed to hurling them across the map like it'll do with even heavies.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 17, 2014, 10:02:26 pm
Post by: miauw62 on September 18, 2014, 01:05:56 am
Hours of spychecking as the pyro has trained my senses to detect even the subtlest of spies.I like how the pistol fires nearly as fast as you can click. I find when it comes to spies, it's not so much trying to kill them but just making them jumpy and making mistakes. A spy who just got hit by a stray bullet is probably going to move in case more are coming, potentially bumping into someone.
You have no idea the shit I've pulled off as spy by ignoring people who are shooting me. The fact that that trick works is the best thing thatnewb spiesbaby sphees have ever done for me.
In other news, apparently I can be the top scorer on valve servers as a sniper.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 18, 2014, 07:45:49 am
And I can be the top-scoring sniper on a Valve server. It's not that difficult. The only other person on it has to be AFK though.
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 18, 2014, 11:08:27 am
Post by: Leafsnail on September 18, 2014, 11:58:03 am
Hours of spychecking as the pyro has trained my senses to detect even the subtlest of spies.Set 'em all on fire and let God sort them out. The best cases are the ones where you accidentally catch a spy that was behind the guy you were checking.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 18, 2014, 04:33:58 pm
To play spy against skilled players, they need to be distracted. If they have time to think "hey, is that person a spy?", then you're going to get found out. Part of that is working quickly, but ideally you want to backstab people who are already engaging someone else, which is why heavies are such a great target. Disguises are a terrible defense for a number of reasons; so you need to either be so convincing it never even occurs to them to think about it, or be in enemy LOS for only very short intervals. Ideally both.
Also, there's a recent Jerma video where his sentry is getting sapped and there's a pyro standing next to it not spychecking or anything. Guess who wasn't a spy :P
Post by: Putnam on September 18, 2014, 04:51:09 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on September 18, 2014, 04:56:56 pm
That said, most people are oblivious, so I wouldn't say disguising is useless in the average server. There'll always be people who will know instantly, or just spycheck everyone regardless, but a little creativity and forethought can make disguises convincing for most players (at least the first time). Whenever I've played spy lately I just disguise as someone on my own team, so enemies don't try to dodge ambassador shots. It really throws people off when that enemy medic with his saw out headshots you. And so long as you keep changing disguises, it's way harder to predict than disguising as someone on their team.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 18, 2014, 05:08:00 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 18, 2014, 06:05:38 pm
If you think about it in terms of "where can I start a fight from where only one enemy can see me and he doesn't expect anything" suddenly your angles of attack increase greatly. The revolver is ideal against classes which are low health and typical or worse move speed, so especially engineers, snipers, and (most deliciously of all) pyros. Fighting a pyro from directly outside their FT range, with room to backtrack, you'll kill them in 3 hits IIRC while they'll be stuck fighting with their secondaries, generally inferior to the revolver for a quick fight.
Even better though, if you have one of the two autocritting revolvers you can set up ranged assassinations where you kill in two hits regardless of range. The ambassador is beyond my abilities but with the diamondback I'll often pretend to be a cowardly pubby sniper and then shoot people as they move past me. Or you can attack from weird side areas and pick off the enemies in the rear, often snipers.
Also while we're on this topic... am I the only one who disguises as sniper 80% of the time? It shouldn't work but it always does.
Post by: Descan on September 18, 2014, 06:53:16 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on September 18, 2014, 07:32:46 pm
Post by: Putnam on September 18, 2014, 07:36:53 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on September 18, 2014, 07:55:29 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on September 18, 2014, 08:21:08 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 18, 2014, 10:23:27 pm
1. Disguise as sniper (or disguise as spy until you cross over to enemy lines, then switch while cloaked)
2. Cloak behind the enemies, using ammo to feed your watch. Uncloak in a cranny somewhere.
3. Walk in a straight line towards the nearest person and stab them in the back.
Optional:
4. Play on the same server for two hours and watch as no one catches on ever.
If you're playing people who actually know what they're doing, mix in engi and demo. In theory soldier should be exactly the same as demo but for some reason soldier disguises will got you shot more. Pyro works suprisingly well but it also puts you at a lot of risk for meeting the person you're disguised as.
Post by: Leafsnail on September 18, 2014, 10:39:39 pm
Post by: Mapleguy555 on September 18, 2014, 11:59:13 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 19, 2014, 12:13:30 am
If a pyro doesn't douse me in flames or switch weapons when I meet then I instantly conclude they're a spy. I mean those two things are the entire point of the pyro class!
I said "surprisingly". Its not a good strategy, but the fact is it still works. Sniper is also a bad disguise because scoped in snipers can be visually distinguished from unscoped, but that doesn't stop it from being by far the most effective disguise on pubby servers.
Post by: Mapleguy555 on September 19, 2014, 12:33:26 am
Post by: miauw62 on September 19, 2014, 01:03:51 am
Post by: Spehss _ on September 19, 2014, 02:22:41 am
I once nearly got backstabbed as a pyro by a brave spy who was standing behind a window disguised as a scout of his team. When I rounded the corner, I was almost backstabbed.Sounds like a cornerstab.
Post by: TamerVirus on September 24, 2014, 01:32:54 pm
It's probably hats
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on September 24, 2014, 01:35:43 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on September 24, 2014, 02:29:28 pm
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on September 24, 2014, 02:30:09 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on September 24, 2014, 02:37:52 pm
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on September 24, 2014, 02:43:00 pm
Valve goes public to 1 trillion dollar valuation "We can't get enough of these hats!"
Post by: Spehss _ on September 24, 2014, 03:39:37 pm
Suddenly, TF2 goes down for updates and all drops are now keys to 9.99$ boxes"In other news, Gabe Newell was found dead of asphyxiation in his swimming pool full of money this morning. Reports say that he probably couldn't stay afloat in such a mass of dollar bills. More news at 6:00."
Valve goes public to 1 trillion dollar valuation "We can't get enough of these hats!"
Post by: TamerVirus on September 24, 2014, 04:19:23 pm
Post by: miauw62 on September 30, 2014, 02:59:37 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 01, 2014, 02:19:17 pm
Post by: miauw62 on October 01, 2014, 02:20:17 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 01, 2014, 02:26:58 pm
Also, when I'm asking in the happy thread if we should make a TF2 thread, how come nobody told me we already had one?
Here's the story I shared on the happy thread:
Alright, I have another TF2 happy/brag, does anyone think that a FPS discussion thread might be a good idea instead?Spoiler: the happy/brag (click to show/hide)
Post by: Leafsnail on October 01, 2014, 02:48:15 pm
I can't really play sniper or demoman at all. I'm also usually terrible as the Spy, so it's weird that my overall highscore is with the Spy (I got into this weird zen state where I was constantly getting headshots with the ambassador, and I haven't been able to recreate that).
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 01, 2014, 02:57:55 pm
Classes you shouldn't let my play include Demo, regular old sniper, or scout.
Post by: tahujdt on October 01, 2014, 02:58:27 pm
Spoiler: The formal ones I've worked out so far (click to show/hide)
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 01, 2014, 03:04:04 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 01, 2014, 03:35:13 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 01, 2014, 03:35:31 pm
Thou shalt not interrupt a non-harmful taunt with gunfire, rocket fire, or just regular fire.They're just trying to mock someone else, I don't see why I shouldn't kill them. Although you're right, you should try and make it a tauntkill if you can.
Post by: tahujdt on October 01, 2014, 03:37:56 pm
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 01, 2014, 03:45:26 pm
Maybe it's just me, not playing competitively at all and not really playing on 'Normal' gamemodes often, but I just let 'em do their thing.
Post by: Spehss _ on October 01, 2014, 03:53:05 pm
Maybe it's just me, not playing competitively at all and not really playing on 'Normal' gamemodes often, but I just let 'em do their thing.It's players like you that make the game fun.
Post by: TamerVirus on October 01, 2014, 04:14:00 pm
Really, anyone stupid enough to taunt in the middle of battle needs to learn why it's a bad idea.
I taunt in the middle of battle all the time, and it helped my team greatly
....I was using the amputator though
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 01, 2014, 04:29:34 pm
-Ignore rivalries completely. If that guy is salty and obviously gunning for you, or you're getting salty, take note and have the discipline to not care, and to treat every opponent with the same casual level of engagement. Going on a desperate chase to get "revenge" or prove something is ridiculous and makes the game less fun for everyone involved.
-Give enemies a fair shake. This means not spawncamping, charging bodyshots at nothing, waiting with sticky traps, or any tactics that don't give your opponent some chance to win or escape. Part of the game is using strategy to get an edge, but sticky trap a spawn door and you're no better than someone using cheats, at least so far as that person's death goes.
-If most people are there to play the game and the teams are close, the kind of hoovy/spycrab/crouch-melee/conga crap is only going to make teammates frustrated, and shouldn't be encouraged. But if the environment is more relaxed, it's not worth killing them.
-Chat's usually a cesspool of overused binds and insults, should probably just leave it disabled and not engage in it.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 01, 2014, 04:39:31 pm
Best taunt.Really, anyone stupid enough to taunt in the middle of battle needs to learn why it's a bad idea.
I taunt in the middle of battle all the time, and it helped my team greatly
....I was using the amputator though
Post by: Spehss _ on October 01, 2014, 04:42:22 pm
-Chat's usually a cesspool of overused binds and insults, should probably just leave it disabled and not engage in it.What kind of shitty servers you been playing on, brah?
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 01, 2014, 04:45:05 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on October 01, 2014, 04:49:53 pm
No crits/damage spread servers get a lot of douches I guess. I'd say most other servers are just silent, but maybe I've had hud_saytext_time 0 in my autoexec too long.Most servers I've played on don't have too much craptalking, yeah. Never tried no crits servers, myself.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 01, 2014, 10:08:29 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on October 01, 2014, 10:25:14 pm
Alright, y'all, Wolfeyez and I will be on TF2 for a bit. Come join! If you're not my Steam friend, I'm MaximumZer0. (Yes, that's a number on the end of my name.)Loading TF2 onto my college laptop as we speak. No idea how well it'll run, but I might be able to join in.
Post by: Spehss _ on October 01, 2014, 10:56:20 pm
Runs like shite cap'n. Can't even run the single player training on tr_target well. Can't join in with multiple people, it'd be unplayable.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 01, 2014, 11:36:16 pm
The only way I can actually play TF2 (or Smite, the other online game I'm interested in) is being literally right next the router, which is in someone else's bedroom. So I'm going to buy a really long ethernet cord and hopefully that will resolve things. I'd like to be able to play online games sometime this year thank you very much.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2014, 12:02:36 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2014, 01:15:09 am
I don't really get the point of CP in casual play, 90% of the time it comes down to a shitty version of A/D where one team clearly cannot win.
Yeah... it's why I like my Instarespawn KOTH servers. Lots of back and forth action, and the maps are small enough that everyone isn't spread out, so disorganization doesn't matter.
Post by: Iceblaster on October 02, 2014, 01:18:04 am
-Conga is love. Don't ruin the conga.
-Capping the flag in Turbine is useless. Use Turbine as training map 2.0
-Change class to help the team most
-Two spies/snipers max. One medic max. Two scouts max.
-Gibbus is love as well. Wear it with pride.
-Never, under any circumstances, kill partner taunt enemies. They just want a hug/hi five/rock paper scissors/ho down/acrobatic nonsense!
-Have fun.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 02, 2014, 02:55:29 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2014, 03:01:12 am
I get the limit on assassin classes. But why the limit on scouts/medics?
Cause medics are the most powerful and useful class to have on your team. Scouts because there's people like me that'll go scout despite the team needing explosive classes.
Though pubs usually don't have class limits, so there's honestly nothing stopping you from stacking with medics+heavies, or sucking super hard with 9 spies.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 02, 2014, 03:03:22 am
Post by: Iceblaster on October 02, 2014, 08:25:41 am
Ok, makes sense. I thought he was saying that stacking the team with medics is equivalent to stacking the team with spies.
The scout limit is because I don't like too many scouts. May just be that I suck though :P
Medic limit? Bias on my part due to my thinking that, logically, only one medic should be needed due to the main frontline classes being the soldier, heavy, pyro, and the demo. With proper multitasking, you could easily keep those four afloat.
I should probably remove it to avoid confusion :P
Post by: TamerVirus on October 02, 2014, 08:31:48 am
AN ENTIRE SQUAD OF BATTLE MEDICS
Post by: The Scout on October 02, 2014, 09:01:44 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 02, 2014, 09:27:29 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 02, 2014, 10:06:22 am
Post by: Spehss _ on October 02, 2014, 10:28:07 am
Medic Circlejerk is the most hilariously OP combo of them all. Two medics with ubersaws and normal mediguns constantly uber each other and use those ubers to kill people with the ubersaw. It's basically unstoppable.2 words.
Air. Blast.
Post by: TamerVirus on October 02, 2014, 10:42:04 am
BUT CAN IT STOP 8?
Post by: 10ebbor10 on October 02, 2014, 10:50:08 am
Post by: Greenstarfanatic on October 02, 2014, 10:57:41 am
Post by: MaximumZero on October 02, 2014, 11:58:53 am
Post by: Graknorke on October 02, 2014, 12:31:46 pm
What about 65535!?Not even a power of 2 m80.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 02, 2014, 12:33:52 pm
What about 65535!?Not even a power of 2 m80.
Well the number apparently has it's own Wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/65535_%28number%29
The number right after is a power of 2...
Kinda interesting, though I have no clue why we're shouting numbers now.
Post by: miauw62 on October 02, 2014, 01:08:41 pm
That's one word, and sometimes even an airblast is not enough. If they're on a good enough roll they can just wait it out.Medic Circlejerk is the most hilariously OP combo of them all. Two medics with ubersaws and normal mediguns constantly uber each other and use those ubers to kill people with the ubersaw. It's basically unstoppable.2 words.
Air. Blast.
So, will everyone add me on Steam so we can get this team going?
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198027097161/
Post by: Spehss _ on October 02, 2014, 01:33:10 pm
That's one word, and sometimes even an airblast is not enough. If they're on a good enough roll they can just wait it out.A typical pub team will probably have multiple pyros, and any decent pyros would hopefully be smart enough to realize that airblasting an uberchain would be the best counter. Multiple pyros could keep both medics in the air and unable to do anything until uber ran out. It only takes 2 pyros really to keep both medics suspended for a bit, assuming both pyros have full ammo and not using backburners for airblasts.
Whenever I've tried uberchains or saw others trying uberchains, pyros-or just enough knockback- managed to stop any momentum.
I would start friending you guys except I'm not able to run TF2 except on weekends when I'm at home and can use my desktop. So, for 24 to 48 hours windows. And that's assuming I don't have any other errands or anything.
Post by: TamerVirus on October 02, 2014, 01:37:02 pm
About_7_Ninjas
Post by: Iceblaster on October 02, 2014, 01:47:26 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 02, 2014, 03:59:58 pm
I find the best ratio of medics to combat classes is 1:2. One medic can safely keep two people over-healed while still being able to heal the other medics. It also gives your team access to a truly insane number of ubers, to the point where with twelve people you can have an uber or kritz up more often than you don't.
I think my favored team comp would be something like:
4x Medics
3x Soldiers
2x Demos
2x Scouts
1x Pyro
Assuming everyone on the team knew what they were doing. If they didn't I'd probably switch out the scouts for heavies and a soldier for another pyro, and instruct everyone to deal with sentries via the strategy of "rush them all at once you babies, do you know how much health we have?"
Post by: tahujdt on October 02, 2014, 04:30:32 pm
Post by: The Scout on October 02, 2014, 07:05:36 pm
Sniper's favorite band is Flight of the Concords.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 02, 2014, 08:33:46 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 02, 2014, 08:34:03 pm
I ONLY CARE FOR NEW HATS
Post by: MaximumZero on October 02, 2014, 10:41:24 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 02, 2014, 10:54:42 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 03, 2014, 03:50:16 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Fniff on October 03, 2014, 03:58:33 pm
Spoiler: Sidenote about webcomics... (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zombi on October 03, 2014, 05:56:38 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 03, 2014, 06:29:50 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 03, 2014, 06:38:26 pm
Pubscrubbing.I'm out pubbing now, anyone care to join?What's your steam ID?
...Also, what is pubbing?
Pubstomping.
Basically, giving the guys on public servers what fer.
Also, I'm Urist McDJ.
Post by: Zombi on October 03, 2014, 06:59:03 pm
In about an hour and 30 I'll be online.Pubscrubbing.I'm out pubbing now, anyone care to join?What's your steam ID?
...Also, what is pubbing?
Pubstomping.
Basically, giving the guys on public servers what fer.
Also, I'm Urist McDJ.
Add ZombiLoin.
Post by: tahujdt on October 03, 2014, 07:16:29 pm
EDIT: Alright, we need a clan tag or something similar. Mine is [BAY12], but I'm also leaning towards [DORF]. Any other suggestions?
Post by: The Scout on October 03, 2014, 08:54:47 pm
It's worth noting that my headset broke a week ago, so I won't be able to chat on the mike.You could steal the already existing groups tag, unless you're making a new one. [DFC]
EDIT: Alright, we need a clan tag or something similar. Mine is [BAY12], but I'm also leaning towards [DORF]. Any other suggestions?
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 03, 2014, 09:05:16 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 03, 2014, 09:21:27 pm
Demoknight is hilariously fun to play. HEADS HEADS HEADS (repeat for 12 heads + several more impact/grenade/suicide assistance kills).
The new Tide Turner is what has placed the heart and soul into Demoknight gameplay. It really is something special :3
Post by: tahujdt on October 03, 2014, 09:21:47 pm
Post by: Cheedows on October 03, 2014, 10:20:58 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on October 04, 2014, 12:31:18 am
Wooo!
Best game I've played in my life.
Sorry Iceblaster, there are too many similar people on Steam. I'd prefer a direct link, if you will.
Here ya go! (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198045349049/)
Post by: miauw62 on October 04, 2014, 03:37:48 am
I had my own pubstomping yesterday, wherein my team with me at the head steamrolled all of dustbowl in under three minutes.
Post by: Cheedows on October 04, 2014, 09:13:34 pm
Post by: werty892 on October 04, 2014, 09:16:12 pm
Post by: miauw62 on October 05, 2014, 04:54:42 am
E:
this exists (http://legacy.pan.tf/)
Post by: miauw62 on October 05, 2014, 09:13:11 am
THEY EXIST
THEY ARE REAL!
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 05, 2014, 10:49:50 am
HOLY SHIT I JUST GOT A MESSAGE THAT A GOLDEN FRYING PAN DROPPED
THEY EXIST
THEY ARE REAL!
Yeah, they've been real, for a couple months now! Staggeringly, overwhelmingly rare, but they exist!
The first one to drop sold for a couple thousand dollars if I remember correctly.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 06, 2014, 01:17:34 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2014, 01:24:00 pm
Daaaamn. Are they from crates, or just random drops? I won't be opening any crates, sadly.
They're EXTREMELY RARE drops upon completing a tour of the Two Cities mannup campaign in MVM.
But really, getting ANY Australium weapon is a godsend, I've dumped nearly 200 dollars into completing something like 40+ tours, and still haven't gotten a single gold weapon.
I'd feel cheated if I weren't doing them with likeminded cool bros.
Post by: Teneb on October 06, 2014, 01:41:03 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 06, 2014, 02:32:31 pm
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on October 06, 2014, 03:36:34 pm
The first one to drop sold for a couple thousand dollars if I remember correctly.
Wut
Post by: TamerVirus on October 06, 2014, 03:37:40 pm
I got accused of hacking for the first time today! As a demoknight of all things. Apparently an enemy pyro didn't understand that the eyelander and booties gave me a health and speed boost that let me get away from him and then kill him a few times :P.Have you had your sexuality questioned yet?
Post by: werty892 on October 06, 2014, 04:53:42 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 06, 2014, 06:07:36 pm
I got accused of hacking for the first time today! As a demoknight of all things. Apparently an enemy pyro didn't understand that the eyelander and booties gave me a health and speed boost that let me get away from him and then kill him a few times :P.
This is how you know that you played right.
Post by: Graknorke on October 06, 2014, 06:11:55 pm
Though I personally don't have a huge problem with hackers. The greater portion of my beef is with players who deliberately go on servers to play against people way below their skill level. Because I am pretty shit and it annoys me when someone is just ruining it for everyone else to feel good. Especially when it's snipers, because they don't exactly have a counter.
Post by: Teneb on October 06, 2014, 06:18:15 pm
I think the first (and only) time I was accused of hacking was when I was wrecking with the loch-n-load (out of practice now. Not like I was so great, this particular round was just a fluke). Mostly ones where I'd fire and someone would come round a corner into the pipe and get blowed up. Luck is basically the same thing as hacks.Snipers have plenty of counters. Spies, scouts, demomen are just a few obvious ones.
Though I personally don't have a huge problem with hackers. The greater portion of my beef is with players who deliberately go on servers to play against people way below their skill level. Because I am pretty shit and it annoys me when someone is just ruining it for everyone else to feel good. Especially when it's snipers, because they don't exactly have a counter.
Post by: Iceblaster on October 06, 2014, 06:19:32 pm
Problem is, their aimbot didn't track disguised spies. Or help with their SMG. Or Kukri.
So I disguised as a spy and went about seeking this guy out.
Post by: Lagslayer on October 06, 2014, 06:28:27 pm
That is why we have the Fists of Steel.I once encountered an aimbotter on Cactus Canyon.My only encounter with a hacker was a sniper aimbot too, only this one could headshot invisible and disguised spies instantly. Completely ruined the game for me, because it was practically impossible for my team to come out the doors.
Problem is, their aimbot didn't track disguised spies. Or help with their SMG. Or Kukri.
So I disguised as a spy and went about seeking this guy out.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 06, 2014, 09:37:00 pm
I once encountered an aimbotter on Cactus Canyon.There's a good possibility they were just an insane sniper then.
Problem is, their aimbot didn't track disguised spies. Or help with their SMG. Or Kukri.
If you really want to know, spectate them in first person. That makes it REALLY obvious when someone is aimbotting.
Post by: Iceblaster on October 06, 2014, 09:49:53 pm
I once encountered an aimbotter on Cactus Canyon.There's a good possibility they were just an insane sniper then.
Problem is, their aimbot didn't track disguised spies. Or help with their SMG. Or Kukri.
If you really want to know, spectate them in first person. That makes it REALLY obvious when someone is aimbotting.
Does it count as aimbotting when I could reliably walk out of a door and get head shot?
Though you could be right :P
Post by: Leafsnail on October 06, 2014, 11:37:57 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on October 06, 2014, 11:41:47 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 07, 2014, 12:52:21 am
I once encountered an aimbotter on Cactus Canyon.There's a good possibility they were just an insane sniper then.
Problem is, their aimbot didn't track disguised spies. Or help with their SMG. Or Kukri.
If you really want to know, spectate them in first person. That makes it REALLY obvious when someone is aimbotting.
You actually can't jump into spectator anymore. In the latest updates they changed it so you can't void the purpose of team scrambles by just jumping back onto the team with all your buddies to stomp all the nubs.
Can't even circumvent it by disconnecting & rejoining.
Post by: miauw62 on October 07, 2014, 10:03:18 am
Post by: tahujdt on October 07, 2014, 10:37:54 am
I enjoy pubstomping tbh. And it's hard to find completely shit servers, because there's always other people that just want to shrek some nubs.Just do a search for servers that have minecraft maps: I guarantee you that most of those will have noobs.
Post by: miauw62 on October 07, 2014, 11:00:48 am
Well yeah but most of them will be trade servers.I enjoy pubstomping tbh. And it's hard to find completely shit servers, because there's always other people that just want to shrek some nubs.Just do a search for servers that have minecraft maps: I guarantee you that most of those will have noobs.
Post by: Graknorke on October 07, 2014, 11:21:44 am
Snipers have plenty of counters. Spies, scouts, demomen are just a few obvious ones.Spies: Only if the sniper isn't aware enough.
Scouts: Takes a good number of them
Demomen: ...barely. Rolling pipes is hardly a reliable strategy.
Post by: Teneb on October 07, 2014, 11:25:33 am
Spies: A good spy will have plenty of plans to deal with the sniper. The revolver is quite powerful.Snipers have plenty of counters. Spies, scouts, demomen are just a few obvious ones.Spies: Only if the sniper isn't aware enough.
Scouts: Takes a good number of them
Demomen: ...barely. Rolling pipes is hardly a reliable strategy.
Scouts: One point-blank shot kills the sniper. They are also extremely fast and can change direction mid air via double jump. If a scout is going in a straight line, they are doing it wrong.
Demomen: Bombs arc, bounce of walls, have area damage. You don't need to be in the line of sight to kill the sniper. You can also sticky jump straight to the sniper and proceed to kill him.
EDIT: Anyway, I'll be up to pubstomp in a few hours, as long as the server is in the US. Anything farther than that and I end up with unbearable lag. US is tolerable if I'm lucky.
Post by: tahujdt on October 07, 2014, 11:53:13 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 07, 2014, 01:10:31 pm
Post by: Teneb on October 07, 2014, 01:19:18 pm
You do not challenge a sniper to a headshot duel.Yes you do. Most don't even pay attention to their surroundings.
You simply don't.
:P
Post by: miauw62 on October 07, 2014, 01:19:59 pm
Post by: Teneb on October 07, 2014, 01:23:10 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 07, 2014, 01:26:29 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 07, 2014, 01:28:51 pm
If we end up pubstomping this evening, we should all wear Gibuses and Pyrovision Goggles, act like total newbs, and kill everyone anyway.
Post by: miauw62 on October 07, 2014, 01:53:12 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 07, 2014, 05:15:04 pm
I'll be wearing a Gibus and Pyrovision Goggles, and maybe a badge.
Thought: We should call ourselves the Golden Gibus gang, and KoSS can be the gang leader.
EDIT: When I got on, the menu music was the MvM trailer music (which I love) and I thought, "We should do an MvM tour sometime soon!" It would help in farming for Australium weapons, since having a group together ahead of time significantly decreases the time it takes to get ready and also helps strategically. We might optionally have a dealie wherein all the Austrailium weapons we find are sold on the market (for metal/keys, if it's not a frying pan) and all proceeds are split equally, or weighted based on if anyone used a squad surplus thing, but that would be up to whoever got the group together.
Post by: Spehss _ on October 07, 2014, 05:26:44 pm
Maybe this Friday night or Saturday. I'm a pretty good medic, I keep everyone in my general radius healed as much as possible. And I generally try not to die or lose an uber. Also good at pipe bomb demoman or soldier.
I'd be up for a MvM tour. Think I have a ticket somewhere. You need tickets don't you? And to get tickets you buy them right? I haven't played MvM seriously outside of pubbing.
Post by: tahujdt on October 07, 2014, 05:30:04 pm
Argh I want to play with you guys curse my having to be at college during the week.
Maybe this Friday night or Saturday. I'm a pretty good medic, I keep everyone in my general radius healed as much as possible. And I generally try not to die or lose an uber. Also good at pipe bomb demoman or soldier.
I'd be up for a MvM tour. Think I have a ticket somewhere. You need tickets don't you? And to get tickets you buy them right? I haven't played MvM seriously outside of pubbing.
You need tickets to get all the special drops.
Post by: tahujdt on October 07, 2014, 05:35:12 pm
I don't have tickets, or money to buy them, sadly.Don't worry, we can all pitch in, you're the best pyro around.*
*In the immediate vicinity.
I've got a lot of money after working double shifts as a lifeguard for most of the summer. I'll loan you a few periodically, even if nobody else pitches in.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 07, 2014, 05:45:35 pm
Getting on to pubstomp right about now, Imma be playing Control Points, unless anyone wants to do anything else?What's your Steam name?
I'll be wearing a Gibus and Pyrovision Goggles, and maybe a badge.
Thought: We should call ourselves the Golden Gibus gang, and KoSS can be the gang leader.
Post by: tahujdt on October 07, 2014, 05:48:24 pm
I think it's been suggested that tour of duty tickets are (on average) more valuable than the drops you get from using them, so I wouldn't worry about them too much.[BAY12]Urist McDJGetting on to pubstomp right about now, Imma be playing Control Points, unless anyone wants to do anything else?What's your Steam name?
I'll be wearing a Gibus and Pyrovision Goggles, and maybe a badge.
Thought: We should call ourselves the Golden Gibus gang, and KoSS can be the gang leader.
EDIT: The price of a Tour of Duty ticket in metal varies between 3.88 and 4 refined metal. If you scrap your spare weapons and sell superfluous hats, you can afford a ticket every once in a while.
Post by: Graknorke on October 07, 2014, 07:17:50 pm
superfluous hatsHeresy. Burn the witch!
Post by: tahujdt on October 07, 2014, 08:22:22 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on October 07, 2014, 08:36:15 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 07, 2014, 08:38:39 pm
Post by: werty892 on October 07, 2014, 09:09:50 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 07, 2014, 09:29:54 pm
It turns out that tauntkills still work if you are on a team that just lost.
That's the real reason it's called Humiliation.
Post by: Spehss _ on October 08, 2014, 08:02:52 pm
My Steam is Spehss Cat. So, uh, add me if you want. If it works. Should work. I'm unfamiliar with adding friends. ._.
Post by: miauw62 on October 09, 2014, 01:05:37 am
/me coughsI don't have tickets, or money to buy them, sadly.Don't worry, we can all pitch in, you're the best pyro around.*
*In the immediate vicinity.
I've got a lot of money after working double shifts as a lifeguard for most of the summer. I'll loan you a few periodically, even if nobody else pitches in.
I consider myself a pretty good pyro. But in MvM I usually play engie. Joshua and the dudes he plays MvM with taught me.
But yeah, I wouldn't count on australium weapons too much if I were you. Everybody gets a botkiller, and the rust/silver/carbonium ones are worth 5 ref.
On the hat topic, I recently got El Muchacho, so now I just need the Last Breath to complete my Mexican pyro outfit. Not sure if I should buy it now or use the 18 ref I have to get more ref and buy even more swag. (strange reserve shooter, killstreak kits, strange parts, etc)
Post by: tahujdt on October 09, 2014, 01:44:12 am
/me turns into a weird hybrid of C-3P0 and Lt. Data
Drop chance of an australium weapon is around 3 or 4%, according to some figures. If everyone uses a squad surplus voucher, that's 7 random drops per player, per game, meaning 42 random drops total. This will not affect the australium drop chance (I think) because australium weapons are end-of-tour random rewards. However, that many random drops will definitely have some good stuff in it. 6 SSVs costs 12USD or around 24 ref. The sale of 42 random drops, some of them rare cosmetics, would probably be worth more than the cost of the vouchers. Should we go that route, more investigation would be in order.
A ticket plus a voucher is 3USD per player per game, so 18USD total per game, or 12USD per tour per player, 72USD per group tour. With just tickets, it's 1USD per player per game, 6USD per group game, 4USD per individual tour, and 24USD per group tour. Australium weapon prices are in the dozens of keys range.
Should we consider the drop-sharing plan I suggested, please also consider that it's the sort of system that everyone likes until they get the drop. So, if we were to pursue that, we would have to be more selective about who we include. And if we find a frying pan, *well*...
[END ANALYSIS]
If I wouldn't think less of myself afterwards, if I only cared about the money, I'd ditch any online community in a heartbeat for something worth thousands of dollars. Even you guys, sorry. College is coming up pretty quickly for me.
Post by: TamerVirus on October 09, 2014, 01:51:45 am
Post by: Iceblaster on October 09, 2014, 08:30:55 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 09, 2014, 10:17:09 am
Post by: tahujdt on October 09, 2014, 10:31:36 am
Post by: MaximumZero on October 09, 2014, 09:22:43 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on October 09, 2014, 09:24:30 pm
Guys, if any of you are into the crates, I have 7 of the Summer crates (#86) and 2 others (84, 85) that I'm not doing anything with. I don't really plan on spending money on TF2. Keys and MvM tickets are just not in the budget. If you want them, let me know, and you can just have them.I'll trade my crates for your crates. :P
I have a whole page of my backpack clogged with crates.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 09, 2014, 09:49:45 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 10, 2014, 12:03:55 pm
*Genuinely upset*
Post by: miauw62 on October 10, 2014, 12:27:43 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on October 10, 2014, 12:47:03 pm
I want to play TF2 so bad, but there is something terminally wrong with my computer where I can't find or connect to ANY servers whatsoever. I've tried everything I can think of, it's no use!Could be something weird with your internet. Or maybe your connection to steam. Or maybe Valve's servers are being screwy.
*Genuinely upset*
Post by: Metalax on October 10, 2014, 01:42:59 pm
I want to play TF2 so bad, but there is something terminally wrong with my computer where I can't find or connect to ANY servers whatsoever. I've tried everything I can think of, it's no use!You've probably tried most of these, but worth going through the list.
*Genuinely upset*
If you open the server browser in steam(view->servers) and have team fortress 2 selected in the filters, do you still see nothing?
Ports are forwarded correctly? This site (http://portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/Team_Fortress_2/) gives instructions on how to forward ports for TF2 for most if not all routers.
Try with any software/hardware firewalls temporarily disabled?
Try with any anti-viruses temporarily disabled?
Try a safemode with networking boot?
Try lugging the computer to somewhere with a different connection and trying from there? Or bringing a computer/laptop that it works on from somewhere else and trying on your connection?
Post by: Putnam on October 10, 2014, 03:08:55 pm
I want to play TF2 so bad, but there is something terminally wrong with my computer where I can't find or connect to ANY servers whatsoever. I've tried everything I can think of, it's no use!Could be something weird with your internet. Or maybe your connection to steam. Or maybe Valve's servers are being screwy.
*Genuinely upset*
Nono, I've had this before. You have to manually google servers and type "connect <ip>" in the console to get to servers. It's annoying as hell.
Post by: Teneb on October 10, 2014, 03:25:41 pm
Had this once as well. Fixed itself when I reinstalled half-life 2 for another run, but there is no guarantee it'll work for you, or anyone else.I want to play TF2 so bad, but there is something terminally wrong with my computer where I can't find or connect to ANY servers whatsoever. I've tried everything I can think of, it's no use!Could be something weird with your internet. Or maybe your connection to steam. Or maybe Valve's servers are being screwy.
*Genuinely upset*
Nono, I've had this before. You have to manually google servers and type "connect <ip>" in the console to get to servers. It's annoying as hell.
Post by: tahujdt on October 10, 2014, 03:28:10 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 10, 2014, 05:10:27 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on October 10, 2014, 05:28:38 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 10, 2014, 05:32:48 pm
/me *bonk*s Sphess_ with a baseball
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 10, 2014, 06:41:04 pm
So I can go pubstomping with you guys :D
Post by: MaximumZero on October 10, 2014, 08:16:52 pm
Post by: Ricky on October 11, 2014, 03:34:42 pm
i'd be fun to play with others
Post by: Zombi on October 11, 2014, 08:46:22 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 12, 2014, 05:53:44 pm
I'm going to be playing in 5 minutes. Add ZombiLoin.Me too.
Post by: tahujdt on October 14, 2014, 06:40:11 pm
Post by: RedKing on October 14, 2014, 07:03:37 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 14, 2014, 07:05:49 pm
Post by: RedKing on October 14, 2014, 07:22:19 pm
Post by: tahujdt on October 14, 2014, 07:22:48 pm
Post by: werty892 on October 18, 2014, 10:12:38 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on October 21, 2014, 09:56:47 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on October 22, 2014, 11:26:22 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 22, 2014, 11:31:05 pm
Post by: ggamer on October 23, 2014, 10:12:12 am
Post by: Spehss _ on October 23, 2014, 10:17:41 am
Post by: Teneb on October 23, 2014, 12:18:15 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on October 23, 2014, 12:23:01 pm
Just poke me on steam. My profile link should be in my sigtext.
Post by: Graknorke on October 25, 2014, 09:58:36 am
What the fuck fandom.
Spoiler: This is for real a thing (click to show/hide)
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 25, 2014, 01:36:14 pm
Besides I imagine if you walked into a convention with that cosplay even though most people wouldn't get it those who did would be pretty entertained.
Post by: Graknorke on October 25, 2014, 04:37:04 pm
She's funny and visually she fits well with the art style.Well yeah I mean it's well done and funny and stuff. But it's a character that got maybe all of 3 seconds of screen time, not even a proper name.
Besides I imagine if you walked into a convention with that cosplay even though most people wouldn't get it those who did would be pretty entertained.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 25, 2014, 10:32:22 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 26, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
Post by: Flying Carcass on October 26, 2014, 03:15:33 pm
Who do you think is going to be the spook boss? Something from the comics? BREAD HALLOWEEN???
Ghost Toast?
Post by: miauw62 on October 27, 2014, 04:20:26 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 27, 2014, 10:12:22 am
I'm having just awful problems with finding servers for some reason, but I was able to, despite my chagrin, able to connect to a Skial 24/7 Fastrespawn Goldrush server. Fastrespawn works on KOTH since both sides are, for the most part, symmetrical. On PL maps however, it gives an overwhelming, overpowering advantage to the defending RED side, since the point of defense is to have longer respawn times, since that any player advantage gained from BLU can actually be capitalized on. Cue me going demoman on Blu and SOMEHOW SOMEWAY acquiring my own personal posse pocket medics, and then proceeding to clean house.
Maybe I'm just a bad person for beating up on bad players, but fighting my way through the the JUNGLE of irresponsibly placed level 3 sentries continues to be fun, even on bad maps like Goldrush.
Post by: Putnam on October 27, 2014, 04:13:54 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 27, 2014, 05:33:30 pm
e: I guess I like it because each individual map feels quite balanced, but then BLU has to win three in a row to actually properly win so I guess it is really skewed.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 29, 2014, 12:37:23 am
Post by: Spehss _ on October 29, 2014, 01:16:20 am
I always seem to distrust my skill whenever I start up the game. I feel so unconfident until I realize that I'm the top scoring player on the server. It's a cycle, it repeats every time.Hmmm. I'd recommend No Heroes CTF servers. Lots of instant respawn, usually on Turbine, usually stacked teams, lots of spawncamping, can be simultaneously godawful and horribly evilly fun, depending on which team you're on. The times the teams are actually even can be really intense as well. Good demomen are common there. Because demosticky-spam==win.
I'm having just awful problems with finding servers for some reason, but I was able to, despite my chagrin, able to connect to a Skial 24/7 Fastrespawn Goldrush server. Fastrespawn works on KOTH since both sides are, for the most part, symmetrical. On PL maps however, it gives an overwhelming, overpowering advantage to the defending RED side, since the point of defense is to have longer respawn times, since that any player advantage gained from BLU can actually be capitalized on. Cue me going demoman on Blu and SOMEHOW SOMEWAY acquiring my own personal posse pocket medics, and then proceeding to clean house.
Maybe I'm just a bad person for beating up on bad players, but fighting my way through the the JUNGLE of irresponsibly placed level 3 sentries continues to be fun, even on bad maps like Goldrush.
No Heroes is only really good for killing peeps and getting killstreaks though. Can't recall much about the community or regulars except that the regulars tended to be either master pubstompers or loud trashtalkers complaining about stacked teams. If you want actual substance beyond "kill everything that moves on the other team", find another server.
Post by: miauw62 on October 29, 2014, 05:18:16 am
I don't actually like goldrush, it feels far too dustbowly to me. 3 stages each divided into two cramped areas with one point each and not a lot of great flanking routes. The last stage even follows the dustbowl model of "twenty mile long chokepoint".
(Also, I feel like a pimp whenever more than one medic is healing me at a time)
Post by: taat on October 29, 2014, 05:51:24 am
Post by: Leafsnail on October 29, 2014, 07:36:35 am
If you play TF2 for long enough, you automatically become a master pubstomper. I can usually get top score even on STAR_'s servers.Other than the last one I think there are a reasonable number of different attack angles on all the Goldrush points, which other ones do you have a problem with?
I don't actually like goldrush, it feels far too dustbowly to me. 3 stages each divided into two cramped areas with one point each and not a lot of great flanking routes. The last stage even follows the dustbowl model of "twenty mile long chokepoint".
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 29, 2014, 04:23:48 pm
Spoiler: Updoot (click to show/hide)
I can dream, can't I?
Post by: Fniff on October 29, 2014, 04:26:14 pm
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Reduced minisentry hitpoints from 100 to 50GOD BLESS VALVE!
Reduced minisentry damage -20%
Post by: Spehss _ on October 29, 2014, 04:39:19 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 29, 2014, 05:07:39 pm
- The degreaser change is interesting, rebuffing ubers is one of the pyro's most important roles
- Not sure if that TT change is likely to do anything, I guess it makes it a bit harder to run down enemies when you're not charging?
- Wasn't the whole point of DDS that you could survive a snap headshot? I don't really get what it's meant to do now.
- Did pyros really need another nerf? e: they really don't, slow and short-range is not a good combination
- I don't think this will make that much difference to the DR.
- Minisentries have basically been removed, cool. I think the previous fix to their hitbox made them a lot less good anyway.
- I guess getting multiple hits at once with the Black Box was pretty bad, would've been better just to limit the health gained per shot to 15 though I think.
Does the crit thing affect Valve servers, or just custom ones?
Post by: Putnam on October 29, 2014, 06:06:24 pm
- Wasn't the whole point of DDS that you could survive a snap headshot? I don't really get what it's meant to do now.
nah, that was just obnoxious as shit, the point was more for scouts attempting to harangue you.
Post by: Cheedows on October 29, 2014, 06:32:44 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 29, 2014, 06:36:41 pm
Spook Carnival 2014
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2014, 06:57:02 pm
Spoiler: Updoot (click to show/hide)
I can dream, can't I?
I was about to call you a liar, then I noticed the invisi-text. :P
Actual update is live and much, MUCH MUCH MUCH less radical than what you posted. Instead we get... BUMPER CARS WHOOO.
Post by: Graknorke on October 29, 2014, 06:58:53 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2014, 06:59:44 pm
Hey, random crits are good. I don't understand why everybody hates them so.
Nah they're bad.
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 29, 2014, 07:01:10 pm
I made that with some HTML editing, glad it looked convincing.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 29, 2014, 07:25:17 pm
Hey, random crits are good. I don't understand why everybody hates them so.
Nah they're bad.
Eh, they're not awful.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2014, 07:28:04 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 29, 2014, 07:31:42 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2014, 07:49:23 pm
I have the same problems. Try seeing if you just got the update, that's what happened with me.
I mean, even before the update, I have awful terrible problems finding and connecting to servers. The sudden influx of traffic only exacerbates it.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 29, 2014, 08:32:16 pm
nah, that was just obnoxious as shit, the point was more for scouts attempting to harangue you.I would rather have a weapon that's capable of fighting back against scouts than an item that maybe allows me to survive one more hit if the scout is bad at aiming (while I fail to do anything in response due to my lack of a close-range weapon).
Post by: Putnam on October 29, 2014, 08:40:39 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 29, 2014, 08:56:12 pm
I'm happy when my ping is below 200. At the worst of times it can hit 999.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 29, 2014, 09:02:20 pm
Post by: Putnam on October 29, 2014, 09:03:30 pm
Post by: Fniff on October 29, 2014, 09:04:37 pm
Post by: Chaos Armor on October 29, 2014, 09:05:52 pm
Edit: Or they're eating and have one hand on the keyboard. I do it frequently.
Post by: Fniff on October 29, 2014, 09:07:18 pm
Post by: Putnam on October 29, 2014, 09:08:49 pm
i mean i thought that was implied
i guess i wasn't clear enough and that's entirely my fault
Post by: Fniff on October 29, 2014, 09:09:44 pm
You either play with terrible scouts or my understanding of how being a scout works is just all wrong.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2014, 09:16:58 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6N1cI2xtWs
Post by: MaximumZero on October 29, 2014, 09:27:44 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on October 29, 2014, 10:34:31 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 29, 2014, 10:58:49 pm
And really unexpected
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 29, 2014, 11:48:56 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 29, 2014, 11:54:23 pm
But eh. Hats.
Post by: MaximumZero on October 30, 2014, 12:20:26 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 30, 2014, 03:49:06 am
Rip in pizza toppings
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 30, 2014, 07:48:08 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 30, 2014, 08:02:25 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Iceblaster on October 30, 2014, 08:25:29 am
I really don't like the "here's 6 items and DONE"
But eh. Hats.
...
Gift drops are gone now?
I also only got 3. I was on when the update went live so I got a non textured cauldron and three non textured items.
Until I logged back in :P
Post by: TamerVirus on October 30, 2014, 08:35:59 am
And a free all class melee weapon for getting four map acheivements
All other hats come from crates SOLD ON THE MARKET
Post by: miauw62 on October 30, 2014, 11:14:01 am
What an achievement.
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 30, 2014, 11:59:31 am
The bumper cars are pretty lame, though, and the map sucks (well, picking doomsday for it made it almost certain to suck anyway). If this is it, probably the worst halloween update so far. With last Smissmas' update being so meh as well, my guess is that the slow downward spiral and depopulation will continue.
Post by: Satarus on October 30, 2014, 12:01:22 pm
SOMEHOW they managed to make doomsday even worse!It's so much fun when a demoman puts a bunch of stickys under where you are forced to dance. Almost as much fun as enemy SGs in the middle. #sarcasm
What an achievement.
Post by: Iceblaster on October 30, 2014, 12:16:57 pm
I like it.
Doomsday usually is my least favorite mode, but I do have to say that I enjoy this update. I'm probably going to be yelled at for it, but eh. To each their own.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 30, 2014, 12:39:03 pm
Post by: miauw62 on October 30, 2014, 12:44:33 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 30, 2014, 01:55:46 pm
I don't get it. This update is funny, it expands your gameplay options, it even made vintage Scream Fortress available! What more do you want from Gaben?
Hats. Always more hats
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 30, 2014, 01:57:51 pm
Your hats are horrific mutations this time. It's even better, for you have become one with the hat.I don't get it. This update is funny, it expands your gameplay options, it even made vintage Scream Fortress available! What more do you want from Gaben?
Hats. Always more hats
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on October 30, 2014, 02:53:20 pm
YAAAY
Post by: Spehss _ on October 30, 2014, 02:55:10 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on October 30, 2014, 04:07:48 pm
I'd prefer more gameplay changing weapons to more hats. You can't shoot with a hat. Yet.
The sad thing is that they are so far and few in between. At least those wacky server mods change things up.
Post by: Flying Carcass on October 30, 2014, 04:22:04 pm
I'd prefer more gameplay changing weapons to more hats. You can't shoot with a hat. Yet.
I can picture it now.... the Gatling Gibus!
Post by: beorn080 on October 30, 2014, 04:31:37 pm
Heavy wearing the sandvich on his head so he can eat while he shoots.I'd prefer more gameplay changing weapons to more hats. You can't shoot with a hat. Yet.
I can picture it now.... the Gatling Gibus!
Post by: TamerVirus on October 30, 2014, 04:38:23 pm
Heavy wearing the sandvich on his head so he can eat while he shoots.I'd prefer more gameplay changing weapons to more hats. You can't shoot with a hat. Yet.
I can picture it now.... the Gatling Gibus!
That's...uh... Already a hat (https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Sammy_Cap).
A nonfunctional one, sure
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 14, 2014, 08:30:44 am
Post by: miauw62 on November 14, 2014, 10:23:35 am
Oh boy, that sounds awesome. I'm pretty good with default engie + gunslinger (shotty is literally the best weapon in the game). Sad thing that it's already filled.
E:
Holy fucking shit.
I just defended the last stage of dustbowl as a gunslinger engie, towards the end I was the only one. We won. WE FUCKING WON WITH ONLY ONE MINISENTRY.
The other team was pretty damn good too. That was the best match I've had in a while.
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 16, 2014, 11:23:54 pm
Highlanders totally dominated, which was actually very surprising since the Gunslingers had a history of trouncing in previous events. We didn't drop a single round though.
Post by: Spehss _ on November 17, 2014, 12:17:49 am
Just for the fun of it, at the very start I put a Buildings Destroyed part on my Strange Shortstop, and at the end it had 111 building destructions recorded :O Shortstop chews through buildings like nothing. Enough to let me get in the top 3 scoring on a few rounds.Jeez. How many games/how many hours is that "by the end of it"? On a good game without instaspawning nonsense I can get maybe 30 kills total before mapchange, depending on what classes I play as and stuff.
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 17, 2014, 01:13:14 am
Just for the fun of it, at the very start I put a Buildings Destroyed part on my Strange Shortstop, and at the end it had 111 building destructions recorded :O Shortstop chews through buildings like nothing. Enough to let me get in the top 3 scoring on a few rounds.Jeez. How many games/how many hours is that "by the end of it"? On a good game without instaspawning nonsense I can get maybe 30 kills total before mapchange, depending on what classes I play as and stuff.
It would amount to only around 2 hours for the rounds of PL, 5cp, and koth.
Post by: crazysheep on November 17, 2014, 01:21:04 am
Post by: miauw62 on November 17, 2014, 10:13:06 am
Minisentries are effectively made out of cardboard, which is reflected in their price.Just for the fun of it, at the very start I put a Buildings Destroyed part on my Strange Shortstop, and at the end it had 111 building destructions recorded :O Shortstop chews through buildings like nothing. Enough to let me get in the top 3 scoring on a few rounds.Jeez. How many games/how many hours is that "by the end of it"? On a good game without instaspawning nonsense I can get maybe 30 kills total before mapchange, depending on what classes I play as and stuff.
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on November 17, 2014, 03:21:35 pm
Post by: miauw62 on November 17, 2014, 03:22:44 pm
Aah, I can't stand minisentries. Little bastards.can you stand me emptying my shotty in your back while you're shooting the minisentry? c:
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on November 17, 2014, 03:23:05 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on November 17, 2014, 05:35:22 pm
Post by: Flying Carcass on November 17, 2014, 06:19:40 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on November 17, 2014, 06:50:14 pm
Tell me your secrets.Use your sword to charge and kill people in close range, use your pipe bombs to kill people not in close range.
Post by: TheDarkStar on November 17, 2014, 10:31:14 pm
Tell me your secrets.Use your sword to charge and kill people in close range, use your pipe bombs to kill people not in close range.
Basically this. Demoknight is lethal if played right - catch heavies unaware, kill sentries from around corners, and outrun spies. Ram into people and steal their heads.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 17, 2014, 10:36:43 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on November 17, 2014, 10:44:08 pm
The best way to help your team as a Demoknight is to murder enemy medics as much as possible. It's a pick class, much like Sniper, and the main advantage is that you can charge round a corner towards the source of a medi-beam and take it out without getting a direct line of sight.
Pretty sure when Ster said that he was joking :P
Post by: Spehss _ on November 17, 2014, 10:55:08 pm
I love my grenade launcher.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 17, 2014, 11:02:15 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on November 18, 2014, 04:22:42 am
Post by: Shadowlord on November 18, 2014, 04:27:39 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 18, 2014, 08:14:14 am
Isn't that the whole point of the charging part? You are able to suddenly deal a massive amount of damage to one player. What else are you gonna use that for?
More often than not, you'd use the charge as an escape tool. Is a soldier bombing in on you? Did a heavy just jump rev around a corner at you? Are two scouts about to run you over? Just turn around and CHARGE outta there. For the span of about a second and a half, you're the fastest class in the game, and you can remove yourself from situations that would ordinarily be unavoidably lethal.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 18, 2014, 08:33:19 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 18, 2014, 08:41:51 am
I guess you can do that, it's just that's a lot less fun than running in and removing heads
One other thing, if you happen to learn an arcane art known as 'trimping' then you can do some of the coolest stunts in TF2. I referenced a guy earlier named Craylash as a 'hero of spuf', his other pseudonym is Ireima, and he routinely does shit like this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjTL5qxqE78)
Post by: WealthyRadish on November 18, 2014, 01:35:51 pm
Post by: Flying Carcass on November 18, 2014, 02:57:30 pm
Post by: Fniff on November 22, 2014, 12:56:29 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on November 22, 2014, 01:04:17 pm
You know, after I kept getting 2fort when playing "random", for a while I thought I was actually really shit at TF2. Then I went to play on a CP game. Turns out I'm fine. It's just that 2fort is a terrible map. I've learned to appreciate how well-designed the other maps are in comparison.
Yeah, TF2 map design has improved greatly over the game's lifespan.
General rule for TF2 maps: there should be three separate paths forward for an attacking team at every point in the map. If there aren't, its probably a bad map.
2Fort seems to almost pass on the surface except for a few places with only 2. But then you realize that many of the different paths are visible from each other so a sentry can stop multiple ways forward. And most classes can't get to the important parts of the map without going through the back "barn" area. Plus the sewers, while an effective entrance, take too damn long for how far they take you.
Post by: miauw62 on November 22, 2014, 01:37:28 pm
Thats true for most vanilla maps that are terrible, with one notable exception: junction.
I hate junction with a burning passion.
Post by: Metalax on November 22, 2014, 01:58:17 pm
Unfortunately I can't recall what they named the map and I've not found it again when jumping to random servers with a promising map name.
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 22, 2014, 02:10:07 pm
Post by: miauw62 on November 22, 2014, 02:20:23 pm
ITS SO FUCKING FUN HOLY SHIT
and i can even get MPV with it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Post by: Fniff on November 22, 2014, 02:22:38 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on November 22, 2014, 02:29:19 pm
Do not fall into temptation, brother! Use the demoman as it was intended bySo long as you're using the grenade launcher you're using demoman like a good demoman. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)GodGabe!
No really. Pure sword and board melee demoknights can't blow anything up. With a grenade launcher or loch n load a good demoman still retains the ability to blow lots of things up with direct hits and can area denial with rollies.
Post by: Flying Carcass on November 22, 2014, 02:35:40 pm
I JUST TRIED DEMOKNIGHT
ITS SO FUCKING FUN HOLY SHIT
and i can even get MPV with it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Demoknight's a blast. Who needs explosives when one's got "YAAAAAH!"?
Post by: Spehss _ on November 22, 2014, 02:44:43 pm
Demoknight's a blast. Who needs explosives when one's got "YAAAAAH!"?I prefer the best of both worlds with my loadout of Eyelander+Targe+Face Melting Grenade Launcher. You got YAAAAH and EXPLOSIOOOOOONS.
God I luv my grenade launcher.
Post by: Teneb on November 22, 2014, 03:08:02 pm
I dislike the targe when demoknighting, due to the slow recharge, and favour the Splendid Screen instead due to the charge damage. Strange Bottle + Splendid Screen + Loch/Default is my demoknight loadout.Demoknight's a blast. Who needs explosives when one's got "YAAAAAH!"?I prefer the best of both worlds with my loadout of Eyelander+Targe+Face Melting Grenade Launcher. You got YAAAAH and EXPLOSIOOOOOONS.
God I luv my grenade launcher.
Post by: Spehss _ on November 22, 2014, 03:26:22 pm
Never got into the Loch n Load. The sped up projectile speed screws up my projectile prediction and basically ruins my aim with it. Plus the grenade launcher's rollies are too useful for temporary area denial or just spamming over walls or out of line of sight. Plus I only have a strange grenade launcher, heh.
Post by: Leafsnail on November 22, 2014, 03:30:43 pm
The recharge element isn't as important, but it's certainly fun to decapitate 4 snipers in the space of a few seconds. Or alternatively to murder their medic and then instantly charge away.
One major tip for demoknight - if you land a shield bash, even a shield bash that does zero damage, you get a free crit if you take a swing straight after with your melee. You get this no matter where you were in your charge. This is why I don't think the Screen is very useful - if you've landed the bash you've already killed or nearly killed most classes anyway. Theoretically it helps against the Heavy, but it's pretty fucking difficult to make a straight charge at a guy with a minigun.
Post by: Spehss _ on November 22, 2014, 03:36:26 pm
Shielded Grenademan Who Runs Away SometimesWell, I think I found a name for my grenade launcher. I was planning on going with some jimi hendrix reference to match my groovy pink afro buuuuuuuut this pretty much describes my tactics too perfectly.
Post by: miauw62 on November 22, 2014, 04:42:08 pm
Do not fall into temptation, brother! Use the demoman as it was intended byWhy did you cross out God and then replace it with God?GodGabe!
Also, I'm fine with any demo tactic as long as it's not using the sticky launcher like a backup grenade launcher. That said, that's totally what I do when I run out of pills and running isn't an option.
(using stickies for airshots and shooting over low cover is acceptable, though. Seriously, have you ever tried airshotting with the grenade launcher? Sometimes an enemy just goes straight up because of a miscalculated jump and you can't waste a chance like that. )
BTW, I should get a strange grenade launcher.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on November 23, 2014, 11:23:11 am
Edit: you didn't see anything *waves both arms while backing away* :/
Post by: Leafsnail on November 23, 2014, 12:30:31 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on November 23, 2014, 12:34:48 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on November 23, 2014, 12:38:36 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on November 23, 2014, 12:40:53 pm
Do people actually use the sticky launcher as an ambush weapon? Or is just the 'shoot explosives into people's face' type weapon?Scottish Resistance
Yeah, I use the scottish resistance for ambushes/territory defense. The ability to detonate selected stickies makes lots of tactics viable, like making a spread out minefield of stickies. Then when people walk over it you can detonate one sticky, send them flying, then detonate other stickies as they fall and juggle them to death. That's always fun.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on November 23, 2014, 12:54:53 pm
You can use it to set up traps, and then it's also a faster firing rocket launcher with higher damage, double ammo capacity and better effectiveness at long range when you need it to be.
I'd like to point out that while this is true, the rocket doesn't have an arming time, and it has less capacity for self damage. So it can be used more effectively at close range, where almost all of TF2's weapons are at their best. Sadly the arming time still isn't THAT long but if you get up in their face as scout or soldier you can get an easy kill.
At very high levels of play you have people direct hitting you with stickies at pretty much any range and then it gets downright annoying. There are reasons that the only class besides medic consistently restricted to one per team in competitive play is demoman.
Post by: miauw62 on November 23, 2014, 01:30:24 pm
It's very useful in a variety of situations, though, even in ones where a nerf probably wouldnt harm it much.
Post by: Knick on November 23, 2014, 01:38:12 pm
Do people actually use the sticky launcher as an ambush weapon? Or is just the 'shoot explosives into people's face' type weapon?Scottish Resistancemaster race.
Yeah, I use the scottish resistance for ambushes/territory defense. The ability to detonate selected stickies makes lots of tactics viable, like making a spread out minefield of stickies. Then when people walk over it you can detonate one sticky, send them flying, then detonate other stickies as they fall and juggle them to death. That's always fun.
The Scottish Resistance has some real advantages, I have trouble using it aggressively. The extended arming time, and the fact that you have to be looking at the bombs before they detonate makes hit-and-run more difficult. Also, they do not air-burst as easily.
I love demo-man, especially for his indirect fire ability. One of my favourite tactics is to be able to lay down a minefield over a wide area, for example, near a cart, and blow it as soon as I see the cart moving.
I use Scottish Resistance to set up ambushes, when defending a CTF, or to blow away any sticky bombs when attacking Payload.
The long reload time is probable the biggest disadvantage.
Post by: Spehss _ on November 23, 2014, 02:17:25 pm
Or if you've trapped a control point or cart and enemies are gathered around it, you can shoot a few pipe bombs, and as the pipes explode you can detonate the stickies at the same time (you're aiming at them anyway with the nade launcher) and get a big explosion all at once and still have stickies in other areas if needed.
Post by: miauw62 on November 23, 2014, 02:49:43 pm
The sticky launcher is a weapon I use far less, mainly when I need to buy myself some time to reload (but at that point I'm usually running away already.)
That said, pick your fights is vital for every class I play, except for medic. The best thing to do when you can't win is run away.
Post by: Knick on November 25, 2014, 10:35:45 am
I don't like the alternative grenade launchers. They both lack a vital part of the grenade launcher, the ability to bounce off things. I can bounce some pills through a door where I know an enemy is waiting, and even if it doesnt hit him it forces him to move because they stay on the ground and still do some damage.
The sticky launcher is a weapon I use far less, mainly when I need to buy myself some time to reload (but at that point I'm usually running away already.)
That said, pick your fights is vital for every class I play, except for medic. The best thing to do when you can't win is run away.
I agree with you there. I prefer Demoman as artillery, so I do not like the Loch and Load's direct hit requirement. The Loose Cannon is a bit better for me, since knock-back plus increased speed is useful, but again, it is useless for indirect fire. Personally, I love playing Demo in Turbine. The ability to lob grenades into the enemies' enclosed space overlooking the central room is incredibly useful.
Post by: Spehss _ on November 25, 2014, 09:50:08 pm
Post by: TamerVirus on November 26, 2014, 09:50:20 pm
might
Post by: TheDarkStar on November 26, 2014, 09:53:46 pm
Wait, tomorrow is Turkey Day? I thought that was Friday.
Turkey day is Thursday. Friday is "trample people who get in the way of your shopping" day.
Post by: TamerVirus on November 26, 2014, 09:54:57 pm
The two must not ever meet, lest the universe collapse due the horrific combination of savings and turkey
Hence Thanksgiving is always on a Thursday.
Post by: TamerVirus on November 26, 2014, 09:57:48 pm
Read the fine fine print
Post by: MaximumZero on November 26, 2014, 11:22:47 pm
If you don't know how to work the calendar, you can't make plantations, and that's unacceptable.*Throws calendar at Caroline*What is a calendar?
Read the fine fine print
:P
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on November 26, 2014, 11:24:25 pm
I love you.
Post by: Spehss _ on November 28, 2014, 08:47:23 pm
Also, anyone know the trading price for a strange part counting gib kills?
Post by: Lagslayer on December 01, 2014, 12:59:39 am
This would mean a few things:
1. Heavy is not complete sniper and spy bait.
2. Heavy would be much tankier in general.
3. Heavy has a reason to use shotguns.
Post by: Spehss _ on December 01, 2014, 01:29:21 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 01, 2014, 02:18:45 am
Post by: taat on December 01, 2014, 04:01:34 am
Post by: Fniff on December 01, 2014, 06:15:55 am
Post by: Leafsnail on December 01, 2014, 07:23:09 am
Post by: UXLZ on December 01, 2014, 10:53:19 am
Post by: Leafsnail on December 01, 2014, 11:11:55 am
Post by: miauw62 on December 01, 2014, 11:48:30 am
Also, try to prioritize the objective over killdudes. A suicidal push/defence can easily make the difference, don't be afraid to die (but pick your fights anyway).
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 01, 2014, 12:22:34 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 01, 2014, 12:37:53 pm
(Medics are incredibly useful, though, to the point where a good medic can decide a game mostly by himself sometimes. )
Post by: Spehss _ on December 01, 2014, 01:12:28 pm
I'd also say that certain classes are much easier than others. Medic, soldier and pyro are all pretty easy to be decent at.I've seen some terrible medics in pubs who only heal their (overhealed and not getting shot at) pocket and completely ignore all their injured teammates calling for medic. I'd say medic has a higher learning curve than basic soldier or pyro.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 01, 2014, 01:26:55 pm
Post by: Lagslayer on December 01, 2014, 01:37:09 pm
Spy
1. A spy knife that increases run speed, but disables the revolver.
2. A revolver with reduced clip size (possibly even as low as single shot per reload), but lets you lay a small trap that cloaks or activates after a couple of seconds. Maybe the trap deals damage when it's triggered, or stuns. It can be destroyed if it's attacked, or seen if the cloak wears off. It has a recharge time so it can't be spammed.
Sniper
1. Rifle that doesn't headshot, but disables/reduces cloak charge, and interrupts/reduces uber charges.
Engineer
1. A new primary weapon to complete the battle engie set. Shotgun that replaces your normal dispenser with a pocket dispenser. Heals nearby allies a little (lvl 1 dispenser amount?), but doesn't produce ammo. However, it lets you store extra ammo drops and dispenses them automatically.
Pyro
1. Napalm sprayer. Has drastically reduced/no direct damage, but hugely increased afterburn duration and damage. Possibly harder to remove the afterburn effect. Allow it to stick to the ground and walls for a while, and catch enemies on fire as they run through it. Alt-fire creates a longer range spray at the cost of extra ammo. Spray burns so hot, it incinerates projectiles. This weapon is intended to remove some of the pyro's vulnerability by reducing the time it has to spend in such close range, reducing the need to get so close all the time, allows it to suppress movement through an area, and let's it spend a longer time away from support and pickups, while trading off it's up-front damage.
2. Acid sprayer. Less/no afterburn, but penetrates resistance to fire and afterburn effects. Alt-fire leaves a cloud of acid that persists for a couple of seconds. It destroys projectiles and damage anything that runs through it. Maybe does more damage to buildings? Obviously, this would be part of a super awesome cosmetic set with an acid hazmat suit.
Demoman
1. Armor with similar stats to the Heavy's armor from my above post. Makes pure Demoknight more viable.
2. Grenade launcher that doesn't need to reload, but you can only carry 8 ammo at once.
Post by: miauw62 on December 01, 2014, 02:12:39 pm
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1. Napalm sprayer. Has drastically reduced/no direct damage, but hugely increased afterburn duration and damage. Possibly harder to remove the afterburn effect. Allow it to stick to the ground and walls for a while, and catch enemies on fire as they run through it. Alt-fire creates a longer range spray at the cost of extra ammo. Spray burns so hot, it incinerates projectiles. This weapon is intended to remove some of the pyro's vulnerability by reducing the time it has to spend in such close range, reducing the need to get so close all the time, allows it to suppress movement through an area, and let's it spend a longer time away from support and pickups, while trading off it's up-front damage.play demoman
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2. Acid sprayer. Less/no afterburn, but penetrates resistance to fire and afterburn effects. Alt-fire leaves a cloud of acid that persists for a couple of seconds. It destroys projectiles and damage anything that runs through it. Maybe does more damage to buildings? Obviously, this would be part of a super awesome cosmetic set with an acid hazmat suit.theres already a hazmat hat i think, and again, play demoman. having an item that defeats the point of other items is pretty dumb too.
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1. Armor with similar stats to the Heavy's armor from my above post. Makes pure Demoknight more viable.you know those shields? they give damage resistance. and pure demoman isn't hard, i manage top scores if the circumstances are right (demoman is pretty shitty in some situations where you cant easily reach enemies)
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2. Grenade launcher that doesn't need to reload, but you can only carry 8 ammo at once.if you know the map, this will be pretty OP. Ammo spawns aren't that rare.
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2. A revolver with reduced clip size (possibly even as low as single shot per reload), but lets you lay a small trap that cloaks or activates after a couple of seconds. Maybe the trap deals damage when it's triggered, or stuns. It can be destroyed if it's attacked, or seen if the cloak wears off. It has a recharge time so it can't be spammed.play demoman
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1. Rifle that doesn't headshot, but disables/reduces cloak charge, and interrupts/reduces uber charges.a dedicated spykiller really isnt very useful for a sniper, and ubercharges are supposed to be scary.
the other two I don't really see the point.
and yeah, I guess Medic isn't that good of a class to start as.
Post by: TamerVirus on December 01, 2014, 02:22:02 pm
Call it the cryo
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 02, 2014, 01:38:05 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 02, 2014, 09:28:51 am
Basically, it would be an anti-sentry stickybomb launcher, so the crazy superiority of the stock stickybomb launcher could be toned down without letting engies run rampant.
Post by: Lagslayer on December 02, 2014, 02:42:09 pm
stop making classes do what other classes are supposed to do.All classes have weapons that put a different spin of it's primary role, or even creating a secondary role. You might as well complain about spies having the Ambassador because it can headshot, or the scout having the Force-a-Nature because it knocks back like a pyro's airblast. All the functions I listed still don't measure up to a class who has it as a main focus.
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the other two I don't really see the point.The spy knife would make it impossible to take opponents out at a range, but would let you catch up to and stab things you otherwise would have little chance of hurting. The increased mobility, in general, is quite useful, and makes the spy more ninja-like.
The engineer shotgun is intended to compliment the Gunslinger and it's mini-sentries.
Post by: miauw62 on December 02, 2014, 02:48:40 pm
most of your suggestions seem to be oriented around area denial, and there area already three classes that can do that (engie, demo, sniper). giving it to more classes would just make the game even more campy, which sucks.
The spy knife seems decently cool I guess. and i still dont see the point of the dispenser really. a solly can still bop in and kill your disp.
Post by: Lagslayer on December 02, 2014, 03:25:09 pm
Ambassador can only 1-shot at close range. Without the damage ramp-up, it only does 102 on a headshot.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The napalm sprayer effect would only last a limited time before it burns itself out and need to be re-applied. The sticky launcher also has more range and damage if caught in the blast.
I guess I kinda had the scout in mind when I thought up the area denial effects. Scouts tend to rub me the wrong way. Never heard sniper referred to as an area denial class.
Pyro only has average movement speed unless you use the powerjack (which makes you take more damage), and outside of flare guns, is exclusively close range.
The battle engie is about not having to babysit your buildings all the time. The mini dispenser can still be taken out by killing the engie, but at least you can take it with you instead of spending all that time setting up in a new spot, again.
Post by: miauw62 on December 03, 2014, 05:23:29 am
With what you said about the ambassador you basically defeated your own point so vOv
And area denial remains something that pyros shouldn't be able to do. Going to add a mini gun that shoots flechettes next?
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 03, 2014, 06:38:24 am
Post by: taat on December 03, 2014, 07:58:00 am
Unless I've gone insane and forgotten core mechanics, critical hits don't have damage ramp up by distance. I don't even think their damage is random at all. An ambassador should NEVER kill a full health character in one hit.
Yes. Unless your opponent is getting some special resistance or vulnerability to damage (ie. Battalion's backup active effect or powerjack damage vulnerability) an amby headshot will always do exactly 102 damage
Post by: miauw62 on December 03, 2014, 12:19:26 pm
But it's still quite useful as an elimination tool.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2014, 01:10:52 pm
The amby does seem a bit degenerate, some scripts can make it a pretty effective sniping tool.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 03, 2014, 07:53:01 pm
Personally I prefer the diamondback. Getting kills with the ambassador/diamondback is all about getting two accurate shots off as fast as possible, and diamondback has no fire speed penalty. Also I suck at headshots.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2014, 08:12:25 pm
The Diamondback is one of those weapons that's good if and only if you are much better than everyone else on the server.
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on December 03, 2014, 08:13:30 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 03, 2014, 09:15:18 pm
Snipers can't cloak or disguise to get into really awkward positions behind enemy lines. Also the ambassador doesn't have to scope-in to land headshots, which is a tactical advantage. You probably aren't going to get heavies (although you can annoy them a lot) but it can slaughter light classes all day (all you need is a headshot and then a snap bodyshot to kill them).
The Diamondback is one of those weapons that's good if and only if you are much better than everyone else on the server.
Yeah, Star's videos are great. This is the dude who mained demoknight in 6v6 competitive games, remember. So I'd take it with a grain of salt :P
Assuming you even know what I'm talking about.
I see what you're saying with DB but I don't entirely agree. You underestimate the extent to which I am good at backstabs and bad at headshots.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2014, 09:39:22 pm
If you're getting loads of backstabs then great, but if you're at that point then it doesn't really matter what gun you take because you're walking over them regardless.
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 03, 2014, 09:49:29 pm
The ambassador has a built in mechanic where it's not perfectly accurate unless you stand still and wait a significant amount of time between shots, so its about as long a delay as reloading a sniper rifle.
You don't need to stand still to get perfect accuracy with any weapon. The first shot of anything is always perfect, even with something like a pistol or SMG, and after 1.25 seconds of not firing it'll reset and be perfectly accurate again. Even shotguns always have one perfectly precise pellet before bullet spread becomes a factor. The ambassador has an even faster cooldown of 0.95 seconds, and even has a special reticle that shows when shots are accurate again. The reason why you see so many spies standing still while using the ambassador is because it's harder to get an accurate shot at long range without a scope while moving quickly.
For reference, sniper rifles take 1.7 seconds between scoped shots, and 1.5 seconds between unscoped. It's only 1.9 seconds for an ambassador spy to fire two perfectly accurate shots, and the second one usually doesn't even need to be a headshot, meaning if it's close range most won't even wait the extra 0.25 seconds, making it only 1.65 seconds to kill a sniper. If the sniper misses their first scoped shot, the spy has a huge advantage.
edit: maths hard
Post by: Putnam on December 03, 2014, 09:59:09 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 03, 2014, 10:16:36 pm
Is the ambassador really less accurate than other revolvers while bullet spread is in effect? They're all so inaccurate, I guess I never noticed. It always does amaze me when spies try to rapid fire with it, considering it's only 0.25 seconds to wait. But hey, if it's close range and the sniper missed, they're almost certainly dead anyway.
Post by: Putnam on December 03, 2014, 10:34:52 pm
Of course, that disadvantage was quickly replaced with it not doing as much damage as the revolver ever due to a slight buff to revolver damage making Ambassador's minicrits on headshot completely worthless.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2014, 10:43:41 pm
Note that if you tried to do the same thing with the stock revolver they'd have more like 1.8 seconds since you'd need to hit them at least 4 times.
Of course, that disadvantage was quickly replaced with it not doing as much damage as the revolver ever due to a slight buff to revolver damage making Ambassador's minicrits on headshot completely worthless.It's not a mini-crit, it's a full crit. 102 damage in one burst from long range is not worthless. It's also better DPS-wise as long as you can hit headshots fairly often.
I find it much, much easier to hit headshots without scoping - the scope requires you to either know where your opponent is going to be in advance or stay in a slow and vulnerable state while scope-aiming. Without the scope it's just a trickier normal shot.
Post by: Putnam on December 03, 2014, 11:01:09 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2014, 11:07:13 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 04, 2014, 10:43:59 am
Realistically you're blindsiding them (due to the fact that you are a spy and they are a sniper, you should not be expecting to beat a sniper at their own game) and unless they can turn around and score a headshot in under 0.7 seconds (the time it takes for you to kill them with your followup bodyshot) their fire-rate and damage output is irrelevant.
Note that if you tried to do the same thing with the stock revolver they'd have more like 1.8 seconds since you'd need to hit them at least 4 times.Of course, that disadvantage was quickly replaced with it not doing as much damage as the revolver ever due to a slight buff to revolver damage making Ambassador's minicrits on headshot completely worthless.It's not a mini-crit, it's a full crit. 102 damage in one burst from long range is not worthless. It's also better DPS-wise as long as you can hit headshots fairly often.
I find it much, much easier to hit headshots without scoping - the scope requires you to either know where your opponent is going to be in advance or stay in a slow and vulnerable state while scope-aiming. Without the scope it's just a trickier normal shot.
Spoiler: Wall of TF2 strategy discussion (click to show/hide)
Post by: miauw62 on December 04, 2014, 12:00:52 pm
On another subject, I have accidentally done a social experiment on cp_steel.
I was playing gunslinger engie, as usual, and placed a teleporter next to the spawn, as usual.
However, while my team was attacking A and not doing a very good job of it, I went all the way around and built a teleporter exit behind the doors that open when you capture A.
This caused my entire team to use the teleporter and abandon A altogheter, and then shifted the focus of combat to that area. We lost very badly, obviously. And I couldn't stop laughing, because I had just actively caused my team to lose really, really badly.
Post by: MaximumZero on December 04, 2014, 12:46:50 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 04, 2014, 12:47:21 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 04, 2014, 03:17:32 pm
Post by: Teneb on December 04, 2014, 04:09:25 pm
I hate how this game, despite having stalemates coded into the game, almost never uses them. Time runs out in CTF while both teams have the same amount of caps? gg, you lose for no reason.It counts the number of rounds won when the time runs out. So if you won a round and the time runs out, it doesn't matter if the enemy has 2 caps, you technically have 3.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 04, 2014, 05:36:14 pm
It's true that a lot of classes have more than 140 health, but an ambassador headshot followed by bodyshots is still better than stock until about 240 health (and at that stage there's barely even any point in attacking them with your revolver, so who cares). Basically if you can hit just one out of three headshots the ambassador is just straight-up better, and even if you can only get it against an unaware enemy I'd still say it has its uses.
Post by: Teneb on December 04, 2014, 05:46:49 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on December 04, 2014, 07:26:30 pm
Post by: Gatleos on December 06, 2014, 10:41:14 am
But you can't stop once you feel the thrill of busting an engie nest and securing a whole area for you team. It's an addiction. :'(
Post by: miauw62 on December 06, 2014, 10:44:50 am
What's more frustrating than having nobody to uber, however, is when you're being healed by a newbie medic THATJUST WON'T POP HIS UBER. I've found myself being ubered after typing "hey, [medicname], right click" once ;~;
Post by: The Scout on December 06, 2014, 10:53:58 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 06, 2014, 11:23:17 am
Sometimes you just have to work around the newbies.
Post by: miauw62 on December 06, 2014, 11:39:05 am
I use the kritzkrieg.Yeah but crits aren't very useful if the person you're ubering only hits one shot out of ten.
People don't run away as much when they have crits, I guess.
Post by: miauw62 on December 08, 2014, 02:10:46 pm
Only 4000 more to go before I reach Hale's Own :P
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 08, 2014, 08:34:49 pm
And you both lose to some guy who hosted a modded server so he could kill ten bots a second.Double posting because my flamethrower just reached 5000 kills!I was gonna post because mine reached 750 ;-;
Only 4000 more to go before I reach Hale's Own :P
Post by: Spehss _ on December 08, 2014, 08:58:20 pm
but doing that defeats the fun of the weapon counting kills!And you both lose to some guy who hosted a modded server so he could kill ten bots a second.Double posting because my flamethrower just reached 5000 kills!I was gonna post because mine reached 750 ;-;
Only 4000 more to go before I reach Hale's Own :P
Post by: Descan on December 08, 2014, 09:27:11 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 08, 2014, 09:30:05 pm
Yeah, it really does.but doing that defeats the fun of the weapon counting kills!And you both lose to some guy who hosted a modded server so he could kill ten bots a second.Double posting because my flamethrower just reached 5000 kills!I was gonna post because mine reached 750 ;-;
Only 4000 more to go before I reach Hale's Own :P
Some people just like breaking games for themselves I guess :/
Post by: Metalax on December 08, 2014, 10:28:49 pm
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on December 08, 2014, 10:32:20 pm
.......
LET THE GAMES BEGIN
EDIT: Video is amazing. Music alone sold me. And I suppose this means we've hit...
*sunglasses*
The End Of The Line.
Post by: Flying Carcass on December 08, 2014, 11:21:52 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on December 08, 2014, 11:32:39 pm
The video was cool, but I'm disappointed by the lack of any new non-cosmetic content (especially considering how hyped up this update was).No new weapons? Disappointed.
Post by: Spehss _ on December 08, 2014, 11:42:46 pm
So.What, guns that shoot ducks? Ducks that shoot guns? Guns that shoot ducks that have guns that they shoot?
Ducks.
Post by: Putnam on December 08, 2014, 11:44:45 pm
So.What, guns that shoot ducks? Ducks that shoot guns? Guns that shoot ducks that have guns that they shoot?
Ducks.
Bonus ducks.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on December 08, 2014, 11:47:25 pm
Post by: taat on December 09, 2014, 02:01:20 am
Post by: Putnam on December 09, 2014, 02:38:04 am
You can now pay 5$ to.. Collect.. Duck points?
Oh, they're doing a Dota 2 TI4 Compendium-ish thing? Awesome. That was actually worth the money.
Post by: Araph on December 09, 2014, 03:39:48 am
Now let me complain about it.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Anyways, the good: the animation was, overall, fantastic. I noticed that movements that weren't cycling looked far more natural (for example, when a character walks they look stiff and unnatural, but when jumping down steps/climbing ladders/gesturing they looked great). The music. Oh man. The scoring for that video is impeccable.
I remember they also had some interview thing or something where they talked about all the tricks they used to make SFM do what it couldn't do (things like prerendering distant backgrounds and compositing them in, I think there was also something about physics and destructable models, but I don't remember for sure).
All in all, I r8 way-better-than-I-could-possibly-do/10.
Post by: miauw62 on December 09, 2014, 06:42:36 am
Yes, that is the thing I care most about in this update.
Post by: Iceblaster on December 09, 2014, 09:21:01 am
It seems underwhelming.
Unless they pull a multiple day long update, it seems rather disappointing.
Post by: TamerVirus on December 09, 2014, 09:30:44 am
Post by: Spehss _ on December 09, 2014, 12:13:38 pm
As usual, hat fortress continues to be about hatsHats and demospam.
Post by: mattie2009 on December 09, 2014, 03:35:22 pm
also it has strange ranks so you know I've got to become THE VERY BEST, LIKE NOONE EVER WAS.
the hats are pretty lame though, and the 'early supporter of eotl' thing... Well, I r8 it b8/8, m8.
Post by: Satarus on December 09, 2014, 03:48:38 pm
Now let me complain about it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In the canon, Heavy's only problem is that English is his second language. He's not very good a expressing himself in an eloquent manner. It's easy to assume he is unintelligent.
Post by: TamerVirus on December 10, 2014, 02:27:31 am
Post by: taat on December 10, 2014, 03:58:05 am
Now let me complain about it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In the canon, Heavy's only problem is that English is his second language. He's not very good a expressing himself in an eloquent manner. It's easy to assume he is unintelligent.
Perfectly sane. "What's that sandvich? Kill them all? Good idea!" * mows people down while laughing with joy * *hugs minigun and says "We make good team!"*
Post by: mattie2009 on December 10, 2014, 09:23:55 am
I wonder if there's a Smissmas update down the line or if this absorbed it
It's excessively likely, but I have to wonder what weapons will get festivized this year. And what happens when every weapon has a festive variant, since Valve adds new weapons whenever a unicorn farts for exactly seven seconds under the third blue moon of the year.
Post by: Spehss _ on December 10, 2014, 12:22:32 pm
Easy, more festive hats.I wonder if there's a Smissmas update down the line or if this absorbed it
It's excessively likely, but I have to wonder what weapons will get festivized this year. And what happens when every weapon has a festive variant, since Valve adds new weapons whenever a unicorn farts for exactly seven seconds under the third blue moon of the year.
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on December 10, 2014, 02:05:55 pm
Post by: Araph on December 10, 2014, 05:26:53 pm
Now let me complain about it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In the canon, Heavy's only problem is that English is his second language. He's not very good a expressing himself in an eloquent manner. It's easy to assume he is unintelligent.
Perfectly sane. "What's that sandvich? Kill them all? Good idea!" * mows people down while laughing with joy * *hugs minigun and says "We make good team!"*
In EotL, he acts uncharacteristically dumb. It's not like chess is a game that's dependent upon your ability to speak English. His lack of stoicism also grates for me.
And yeah, most of the team has a rather loose grasp on sanity. Doesn't necessarily mean they're stupid, though.
Post by: Chaos Armor on December 10, 2014, 07:07:25 pm
Now let me complain about it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In the canon, Heavy's only problem is that English is his second language. He's not very good a expressing himself in an eloquent manner. It's easy to assume he is unintelligent.
Perfectly sane. "What's that sandvich? Kill them all? Good idea!" * mows people down while laughing with joy * *hugs minigun and says "We make good team!"*
In EotL, he acts uncharacteristically dumb. It's not like chess is a game that's dependent upon your ability to speak English. His lack of stoicism also grates for me.
And yeah, most of the team has a rather loose grasp on sanity. Doesn't necessarily mean they're stupid, though.
I agree with you, Araph. The Heavy was out of character in EotL. He doesn't possess a brilliant mind capable of recalling the obscurest details; but, he's extremely perceptive. I'd compare the Heavy to Goofy's character in the Kingdom Heart's games.
And...
Orphan Kittens, oh the felinity.
Post by: Metalax on December 10, 2014, 08:21:53 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on December 10, 2014, 08:37:06 pm
Post by: Putnam on December 10, 2014, 10:08:46 pm
What about Meet The Heavy? Dude wasn't Einstein or anything, but he wasn't a total caveman either. After all, he gave us the words of wisdom, "no one can outsmart boolet."
One thing to bear in mind is that a good portion of the serious and smarter Heavy depictions released by Valve have come out within the past year, likely after EotL was plotted out. Not all of them by any means, but enough that the characterization, while exaggerated, isn't too far out of line if you ignored the more recent releases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwVi3t2wuKk
Post by: Spehss _ on December 10, 2014, 10:15:58 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 11, 2014, 01:58:58 am
Post by: i2amroy on December 11, 2014, 02:15:10 am
What about Meet The Heavy? Dude wasn't Einstein or anything, but he wasn't a total caveman either. After all, he gave us the words of wisdom, "no one can outsmart boolet."I'd agree with you there, except every time I think of Meet The Heavy my brain instantly flashes to this comic :P:
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Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 11, 2014, 10:08:50 am
Post by: Metalax on December 11, 2014, 07:09:19 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on December 12, 2014, 03:01:37 pm
Found out you can buy strange weps!
ALL SHALL FEAR THE HORSELESS HEADTAKER HITMAN'S HEATMAKER!
And then crates became next to useless again.
Post by: miauw62 on December 12, 2014, 04:44:40 pm
For those who may not have seen it, here (http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=23104) is the map that was originally scheduled to be part of the EotL update, cp_snowplow_rc3.VOLVO GIVE SNOWPLOW
Post by: Spehss _ on December 12, 2014, 11:45:09 pm
These ducks seem kinda useless.
Post by: Lagslayer on December 12, 2014, 11:53:51 pm
After playing TF2 for the first time since the new update, I've come to a conclusion:There's a new item you equip that counts the ducks you collect, and when you level it up, it spawns even more ducks. I've heard a bunch of speculation that at the end of the event, the people with the highest duck counter on their item will get something.
These ducks seem kinda useless.
Also, the duckies are cute. They look like the class who killed you, and they make little quacking noises when you pick them up.
Post by: Spehss _ on December 13, 2014, 02:14:23 am
Post by: miauw62 on December 13, 2014, 03:56:18 am
Post by: Descan on December 13, 2014, 11:04:03 pm
Post by: mattie2009 on December 13, 2014, 11:11:19 pm
Where do you even tell what your level of duckiness is without a journal?
You don't. The duck leaderboards are only accessible through the journal, as far as I know.
Post by: MaximumZero on December 14, 2014, 01:04:12 am
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on December 14, 2014, 03:05:49 am
Found out you can buy strange weps!you can what with a whoknow
ALL SHALL FEAR THE HORSELESS HEADTAKER HITMAN'S HEATMAKER!
Post by: Iceblaster on December 14, 2014, 01:27:48 pm
Go to Team Fortress 2.
Go select a category right under the search bar.
Check Strange quality.
Enjoy~
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on December 14, 2014, 03:39:57 pm
And I just spent all my steam money ON EMOTICONS
Post by: Lagslayer on December 14, 2014, 03:48:50 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on December 14, 2014, 07:49:38 pm
Got a spine-twisting skull. Wanted a voodoo-juju but hey, it's still cool. My pyro is currently wearing two skulls and a mask, somehow. Pyromancer mask, spine-twisting skull, and the killing floor white gas mask thing I don't remember the name of. It looks silly. Also looks good on my heavy with the steel jaw and dues-specs.
Also, I now have both the crafted non-tradeable headless horeman headtaker and the crafted non-tradeable halloween headgear from 2011 in my inventory, when most people would have one or the other. Bling bling.
Post by: Flying Carcass on December 22, 2014, 09:23:42 pm
Personally I'm rather upset about how bad the tideturner got nerfed. Grappling hooks are somewhat fun though.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 22, 2014, 10:50:19 pm
Its neither the pro strat, nor easy to use, so I'm not seeing why a nerf would be required. I guess because of how little the other shields are used be comparison... but unlike say the dead ringer, its more fun and more awesome than its alternatives.
Post by: Putnam on December 22, 2014, 11:19:12 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 22, 2014, 11:29:56 pm
I'm glad to see changes, it was enough to reinstall and play a bit. Hopefully we don't have to wait another 6 months for more.
Post by: Spehss _ on December 22, 2014, 11:37:08 pm
Was the Loch n' Load nerfed? I mean, it can't 1-shot scouts anymore, but it has 3 shots.Yeaaaaah, I don't think adding ammo to the magazine counts as a nerf at all, even if they did lower the damage a tiny bit to "compensate." And it doesn't even make sense for the loch to have 3 shots when it only has 2 barrels.
The new demo weapons seem useless. Pipe bombs that roll less and have less damage. Why use that instead of the default rollies? And the new stickybomb launcher only seems good for pure offensive sticky-spamming and being able to destroy enemy stickies while doing it. The minor .02 seconds faster arming time seems really really minor, and the inability to lay traps that last longer than 2 seconds sounds like a poor trade off for the slightly faster arming time.
The new shotgun sounds neat though. I want to try a shotgun heavy with it sometime. First I'll have to get the gun.
Post by: MaximumZero on December 22, 2014, 11:38:21 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on December 22, 2014, 11:40:56 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 22, 2014, 11:58:37 pm
I'd say the damage spread changes would be enough for me to enjoy servers without it disabled again, but the huntsman didn't get it. The tide turner was so completely broken in comparison to the other shields that I'm really surprised people think it didn't deserve a change. With the turn speed, about 90% of the time if the demo was decent then there was nothing a player could do to avoid being killed by it. It was like a sniper rifle that bodyshots for 195 around blind corners.
The medic is broken compared to the other classes, but I don't care because he makes the game more fun. So it is with the tide turner compared to other shields. Why would we ever want to go back to the other shields, now that we've seen the light?
And its a moot point anyway because they're all worse than stock sticky launcher.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 23, 2014, 01:11:01 am
e: Iron Bomber might be a good explosive jumping option for them too.
Post by: MaximumZero on December 23, 2014, 01:17:04 am
Post by: miauw62 on December 23, 2014, 08:15:53 am
I use the default grenade launcher for it's glorious area denial, corner-turning and into-room-behind-window-shooting abilities.
I'm happy with any buffs to the grenade launcher. It's already a really powerful weapon and I dont see why anybody would want to use the Loch n' Load in the first place, but hey.
I don't actually see the point in the nerf to the grenade launcher, people that are good enough can still kill you with airstickies at any range.
The panic attack seems cool though. Is it available for the pyro?
Also, @Tide Turner, there are still 2 ways to get 100% charge with the tide turner, so this nerf doesn't seem too bad. When I play demoknight I always play "pure" demoknight anyway.
Post by: Spehss _ on December 23, 2014, 12:59:22 pm
Post by: Nameless Archon on December 23, 2014, 04:29:53 pm
Hahahaha, that new grenade launcher seems completely fucking useless. I use the default grenade launcher for it's glorious area denial, corner-turning and into-room-behind-window-shooting abilities. I'm happy with any buffs to the grenade launcher. It's already a really powerful weapon and I dont see why anybody would want to use the Loch n' Load in the first place, but hey.I use it for the same reason you do, but I'd wager the folks who like the LnL are using it like the Direct Hit - they're not using it for its potential versatility, but for its power in direct combat, and 3 round clips will likely make those folks happy. Remains to be seen if 3 shells is better than 2 with OHK potential, but we'll see. OHK on scoot was not good, since it's intended that they counter the demoman up close! This gives demo margin of error on missing, but also gives scout a guarantee for some breathing room if hit.
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I don't actually see the point in the nerf to the grenade launcher, people that are good enough can still kill you with airstickies at any range.This is really two nerfs - one reducing radius for both grenades and stickies to match rockets (159Hu->146Hu) and the second is the reduction/ramp-up that applies only to stickies.
First, the global reduction is a 146/159 ~= 9% reduction from original size. This matters, but it's not likely to show up or be noticeable on its own. However, it will be multiplicative with the airdet change. (85%*91%~=77.35% when comparing to original, not 85%!)
Since radius is constant and we're only comparing the difference in percentage, we'll compare them as though the original was a unit sphere (radius 1): 4/3*Pi ~=4.186666
The new version (at maximum reduction before ramp-up) would be: 4/3*Pi*(.7735)^3 = 1.937534
1.937534/4.186666 = 46.278686% of original volume at maximum reduction.
Conclusion:
Airdet winbombs are now half the volume you'd expect out of the original gun, requiring players to be precise, or let them land. This will make it less viable to simply fire airdets at a pyro or nested engineer, and force the demoman to actually plant his stickies or be more precise with the aiming.
Assumptions:
1. Valve didn't forget to auto-ramp stickies that hit the world, have heard of issues with jumping making me think they did, but that could just be the 9% change affecting jump map specialists who have to have fine-tuned and highly-practiced routes.
2. Math still works like I remember.
Post by: Flying Carcass on December 23, 2014, 05:08:19 pm
Post by: Zombi on December 23, 2014, 06:01:57 pm
The problem with the tideturner nerf is that getting hit by anything while charging is like being hit by the Natasha.I mean, the Tide Turner is supposed to be an ambush weapon, not a "charge right into your face weapon." If you're not charging around a sharp corner to attack and unsuspecting enemy, you're doing it wrong. If you want to charge out in the open, use the Targe or the Screen with Wee Booties.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 23, 2014, 11:31:52 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 23, 2014, 11:48:56 pm
And miss because they can see you coming and you can't change direction
Or shoot you in the head/airblast you/direct hit you with a knockback weapon.
Really, the way I'd describe it is that the targe is for survival, where you equip it for its defensive properties and primarily charge AWAY from combat. I don't even know what the screen is for, point blank charges I guess. Tide turner is pretty vital for offense; even before the update the really good pure demoknights were the ones using the charge turning exploits.
Post by: miauw62 on December 24, 2014, 09:57:59 am
Assumptions:I'm fairly sure they explicitly mentioned that any stickies that touched the world automatically got max range.
1. Valve didn't forget to auto-ramp stickies that hit the world, have heard of issues with jumping making me think they did, but that could just be the 9% change affecting jump map specialists who have to have fine-tuned and highly-practiced routes.
Post by: Reudh on January 19, 2015, 03:36:29 am
Post by: miauw62 on January 24, 2015, 01:31:35 pm
am i just too gud for this world
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 24, 2015, 02:59:32 pm
i really wonder why people get so mad about minisentriesIf you were a gud scout you'd get it. They have faster turn speed so you its much harder to go inside a minisentries range and pop out without taking damage, their small hitbox makes them at least as tough as a level one against your scattergun, and their faster fire rate means if you jump at all the pushback will completely fuck you up.
am i just too gud for this world
Then there's all the antics of dropping it mid combat. See, even if pyros and scouts (and wierdly enough, heavies) completely ignore everything and run right up to the damn thing and shoot it, its small hitbox and insane health regen (sorry, build speed) mean that you'll take a few seconds to kill it, or possibly even fail to kill it before it constructs. All of this is time that the engi can be getting close range meatshots on you, or retreating to do it all again.
Then there's the fact that it makes backstabs somewhat suicidal, while being such a low priority target that the sacrifice of giving away your position isn't worth the gain of sapping it.
Basically you play for dozens of hours to become a terrifying omnipresent force that appears behind people and murders them in seconds, and then some noob locks you out with an impenetrable wall that can be rebuilt in <3 seconds without having to pick up any extra metal.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 24, 2015, 03:24:59 pm
Also, I got the Tide Turner recently. Much fun has been had.
Post by: miauw62 on January 24, 2015, 04:48:35 pm
They're very versatile, but so are soldiers. And normal sentries basically chain you down, they're expensive, slow to build and easily killed if there's no other people beside the engineer. So you have to babysit them, which is boring.
Placing them in the middle of battle is basically the point, too.
It doesn't require no skill at all and turn you into an unstoppable murder machine or anything. (It's not the phlognisator).
Post by: WealthyRadish on January 24, 2015, 07:07:05 pm
The Dead Ringer's a good example, since it recently got tweaked. How many years was it until they finally did something about the Dead Ringer? And even after the nerf it's still obnoxious, they just curbed the most outrageous usages of it. How many times do you have to see an undisguised spy walking in a straight line to your base, deal 3 damage to them to trigger the ringer, and then hunt them down before you get worn down and just rationalize that shit as acceptable?
Spoiler: wall o' miniraeg (click to show/hide)
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 24, 2015, 07:29:40 pm
Pyros melt right through miniseries, though. Most things do. Snipers prioritize them for being easy targets, and sapping them is basically the best thing you can do, since you have to wait out the sapping or remove it before you can build another. A well-placed grenade or sticky or rocket destroys them.Pyro is one of the worst classes to fight minisentries with, I have no idea what you're talking about. The flamethrower is even lower damage than usual due to the lack of afterburn, you have to walk well into the sentry's range to do any damage at all. You basically have to either lose half your health, or slowly ping it down with the flare gun, if you want to take out a minisentry as pyro.
They're very versatile, but so are soldiers. And normal sentries basically chain you down, they're expensive, slow to build and easily killed if there's no other people beside the engineer. So you have to babysit them, which is boring.
Placing them in the middle of battle is basically the point, too.
It doesn't require no skill at all and turn you into an unstoppable murder machine or anything. (It's not the phlognisator).
Sapping a minisentry is a poor life choice for a spy. Why would you give away your position to mildly inconvenience someone? That's like, what, 8 seconds lost for the gunslinger engi? And even in that time they can be harassing with their primary or building a dispenser or something. Or murdering you. The only time I would really bother is if I'm about to backstab someone, but sometimes the sapper sound will cause people to spin around so its still a risky play.
The phlog is terrible. It requires no nerfs, if anything it needs a buff (not that I'm suggesting it should get one!). What it is, is a way for a player far more skilled than the other team to massacre them. Its a pubstomping weapon. The minisentry is the opposite, it let's anyone do nearly unavoidable damage or area denial to vastly better players.
Post by: Leafsnail on January 24, 2015, 11:25:48 pm
its small hitboxThis is pretty much why mini-sentries used to be hard to deal with. Then they fixed the hitbox and now they're pretty useless unless you're playing against like an all scout team.
Post by: miauw62 on January 25, 2015, 05:20:28 am
I wouldn't mind a toning down of minis, since I don't think it's very likely to make them lose much of their utility.
Post by: The Scout on January 25, 2015, 11:57:59 am
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2015, 02:46:12 pm
Post by: miauw62 on February 04, 2015, 11:58:50 am
I have a strange reserve shooter named "Icarus's Folly" and a description tag, but I can't come up with a good description. (I named it that because my strange ft is called Prometheus's Gift)
Post by: Graknorke on February 04, 2015, 08:37:05 pm
"You will be who you will be. We are our choices. And we can choose to lead humanity away from this... darkness"
"We are Daedalus. We are Icarus. The barriers between us have fallen and we have become our own shadows."
Deus Ex most quotable Ex.
Post by: Lagslayer on March 06, 2015, 09:28:16 pm
If anyone's interested, I recently acquired an extra Silver Botkiller Mk. II Flamethrower.3 scrap? Or did you mean 3 ref?
It's selling for 3 scrap and two soldier weapons, if you can spare them.
Post by: hops on June 15, 2015, 04:08:30 am
I'm a competent Pyro, perhaps enough to play comp if I improved my flare/detonator aim.
I'm branching into scout and it seems like enemy scouts are really annoying to hit. The beanpoles have a small hitbox so the shotgun doesn't do much damage unless it's point-blank, in which they can just blast me in the face. On the other hand, I have a slighly better aim than most pub scouts, but mostly due to my strafe-shooting technique and prediction rather than actual reflex. Does anyone here main scout and have any advice on mentality? Being a pyro main, I often can't resist sneaking up to people, which seems to be even easier as a scout except you can't set people on fire.
Also I'm a premium player since I bought TF2 back in the days of yore, so I guess I can trade. I don't actually understand how trading works and all these modifier thingamajig though and I don't really want to shell out for keys. If I want a Pyromancer mask, how should I go about obtaining it?
Post by: miauw62 on June 15, 2015, 04:37:45 am
let the others deal with those
go get meatshots on their meds/heavies
Post by: Spehss _ on June 15, 2015, 01:03:53 pm
PTW.
-snip-
Scout is good at sneak attacks and flanking, like pyro but less fire and more buckshot. Sneak attacking as a scout consists of running right up to the bad guy's backside and shooting point blank. If they survive that, jump around and flank them while continue to shoot them point blank until they're dead. Basically a key way to damage as scout is to get to medium/close range and aim well with your scattergun. Scout is all about flanking and dodging and aiming.
Hats can drop randomly, although this is rare. Rarer than weapon drops. Another method is to craft various weapons you don't need into metal, then craft hats out of that metal. No guarantees you get the hat you want though. Best option is to try and find someone to trade with. Can't give tips there though, I don't really mess with trading because
You could buy the hat you want straight from the store, no keys needed. But that would need a credit card/money. And paying money for virtual items is...eh. Not really needed, but it's fast.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on June 15, 2015, 01:14:12 pm
I'm branching into scout and it seems like enemy scouts are really annoying to hit. The beanpoles have a small hitbox so the shotgun doesn't do much damage unless it's point-blank, in which they can just blast me in the face. On the other hand, I have a slighly better aim than most pub scouts, but mostly due to my strafe-shooting technique and prediction rather than actual reflex. Does anyone here main scout and have any advice on mentality? Being a pyro main, I often can't resist sneaking up to people, which seems to be even easier as a scout except you can't set people on fire.Honestly, I main scout (whenever I can find a server not choked with minsentries, grrr) and quickly aiming the scattergun is still tricky for me. It comes with practice. Its high damage and high capacity enough you can get by without having perfect aim. Once you do have good aim, your scattergun will easily outdamage the flamethrower against single targets. If you find yourself sneaking up on people a lot the force-o-nature or the backscatter might be an effective choice but the scattergun is still the undisputed king of scout weapons.
The most important thing is getting your movement down. Learn how to double jump unpredictably to dodge rockets and grenades. Generally this means jumping one way and then double jumping the other, but you can also do stuff like jump over your opponent or jump close to shoot and then jump back for distance. Once you expend your double jump, your trajectory is almost completely predictable and you're vulnerable, so wait as long as you can afford to (and ideally bring the atomizer so you get a third jump). The scout is kind of a stealth class, but instead of being hard to see you're hard to predict. There are a lot paths you can go down as scout that would require self-damage via rocket jumping if you were a soldier. Learn to do stuff like jump on roofs, over gaps, or up cliffs. Learn it well enough that you can do it in the middle of combat without thinking about it. Once you learn how to leverage your speed you'll be a terrifying force of nature constantly appearing behind the enemy to shoot them in the back. As a side note to this, try to play modes like payload, king of the hill and control point where mobility is useful and the maps are open. In modes like capture the flag and attack/defense scout is more of a gimmick than a necessary part of the team.
Like spy, you want to limit how long you're in sight of enemies. Get in, do your damage, and get out as quickly as possible even if that means giving up a kill (if it feels suicidal you're probably going to die before you make the kill anyway). The go-to way to fight heavies is to run around a corner, meat shot them, and then leave before they spin up. You can go toe-to-toe with a soldier or another scout skill being equal (even a pyro if you're good at controlling your distance from the target), but you shouldn't stick around for a fight where there are more enemy fighter classes than friendly ones. Unless something important is at stake like an objective or your own medic dying. If you see a sentry, announce it to your team with the voice commands and then leave. You can bypass them with Bonk! but this is usually a waste of time and from a tryhard perspective its hard to justify Bonk! over any of the pistols except maybe the winger.
Most important thing: never stop moving. If you're sitting in place to ambush an enemy, you shouldn't be playing scout.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 15, 2015, 02:05:20 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on June 15, 2015, 04:03:05 pm
If you're maining pyro, you should really switch to scout (or soldier, though scout is more similar). It's a better class in every practical area, even if pyro is easier to 'master'. The only competitive environment where pyro is ever played is highlander, and that's only because it's a requirement. The game is awash with bourgeois-tier pyro-mains with half-hearted competitive ambitions, and while you may find some PUGs running highlander, I think that experience would only serve to make other classes look more appealing.
Post by: Descan on June 15, 2015, 05:26:22 pm
Go into console, type
Code: [Select]
bindtoggle key r_drawviewmodelReplace key with whichever key you want to use for that, I use x myself. If I notice my aim is bad, I press X and it disappears my shotgun or revolver or whatever, and when I don't need to aim, I can press x again and see my pretty gun~
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 17, 2015, 05:54:12 am
The biggest issue with viewmodels is that they are often big and obscure your field of view, possibly blocking your LOS on an approaching enemy.
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While I've considered the phlog beneath me for a long time, after terrorizing a few pubs though it's terribly fun. I've already gotten several whole servers just apoplectic at me. It feels delicious getting a 20 killstreak just running people over.
Post by: miauw62 on June 17, 2015, 06:16:38 am
If you're maining pyro, you should really switch to scout (or soldier, though scout is more similar). It's a better class in every practical area, even if pyro is easier to 'master'. The only competitive environment where pyro is ever played is highlander, and that's only because it's a requirement. The game is awash with bourgeois-tier pyro-mains with half-hearted competitive ambitions, and while you may find some PUGs running highlander, I think that experience would only serve to make other classes look more appealing.thanks for calling pyros noskills, man. i apreciate it
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 17, 2015, 06:53:27 am
If you're maining pyro, you should really switch to scout (or soldier, though scout is more similar). It's a better class in every practical area, even if pyro is easier to 'master'. The only competitive environment where pyro is ever played is highlander, and that's only because it's a requirement. The game is awash with bourgeois-tier pyro-mains with half-hearted competitive ambitions, and while you may find some PUGs running highlander, I think that experience would only serve to make other classes look more appealing.thanks for calling pyros noskills, man. i apreciate it
I can't remember if I've told this story before: one of the best players I've ever personally played against was a guy named BFL Satan, who is probably the best pyro main in the world. Like, literally the best without exaggeration. He joined the 24/7 32-man Harvest server I was on at the time, and then proceeded to score dominations on every single person, myself included, on my team. I couldn't think of a way to even approach this guy, let alone fight him. I was awestruck at what he could do with pyro, and he was just running Degreaser-flare-powerjack.
Just one of my TF2 memories that'll always stick with me.
Post by: miauw62 on June 17, 2015, 07:09:34 am
To my surprise, people kept destroying the dispenser before they did anything, so I could come back from halfway across the map and kill them before they took the intel :P
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 17, 2015, 07:29:54 am
I've actually been playing alot of Direct Hit-Gunboats-Escape Plan Solly lately, aka the "Get Gud or Get Out" version of solly. Aiming with the DH is much more difficult since you can't just generally aim at people's feet to get kills anymore, but hitting people directly is very rewarding both in damage and personal gratification. Plus you can score wicked sweet minicrit airshots on people, which range in damage from 150-180~, very frequently insta-killing them.
Reminds me of just yesterday, I was on Koth_lakeside, and a guy that must have been getting frustrated types in chat: "OK I'm goin tryhard now!"
and as I reach mid I see the guy, now a demo, sticky jumping through the air right to the point, and I think "I can probably make that shot." and I fire off a single rocket at what I think his arc is gonna be, and SPLAT as the 152 damage airshot from across the map sends him back to respawn. I was in such disbelief I had to stop to type out an apology to the guy. That was like throwing a 3-pointer within the first few seconds of a basketball game just by grabbing the ball and winging it from the halfway line, and then either dumb luck or divine intervention just guides it into the hoop. It was beautiful.
Post by: Spehss _ on June 17, 2015, 08:59:52 am
While I've considered the phlog beneath me for a long time, after terrorizing a few pubs though it's terribly fun. I've already gotten several whole servers just apoplectic at me. It feels delicious getting a 20 killstreak just running people over.I remember when the phlog was just released and still unbalanced and shiny and new. When the mmph taunt granted full health and all damage taken while mmphing was reduced to 10%. So a point blank rocket did 10 damage. I went and got a pocket medic and we were just massacring the other team and capturing Foundry control points disgustingly easily. Medic kept me healed, mmph gave me crits and crazy damage and damage resistance, medic could uber when needed, it was unkillable. It was quite possibly the single most hilarious thing I've done in game. I just couldn't help but laugh at how op it was. Medic loved it. Other team hated it.
Eventually the game ended and I left. I think phlog has been adjusted since then.
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 17, 2015, 09:05:40 am
While I've considered the phlog beneath me for a long time, after terrorizing a few pubs though it's terribly fun. I've already gotten several whole servers just apoplectic at me. It feels delicious getting a 20 killstreak just running people over.I remember when the phlog was just released and still unbalanced and shiny and new. When the mmph taunt granted full health and all damage taken while mmphing was reduced to 10%. So a point blank rocket did 10 damage. I went and got a pocket medic and we were just massacring the other team and capturing Foundry control points disgustingly easily. Medic kept me healed, mmph gave me crits and crazy damage and damage resistance, medic could uber when needed, it was unkillable. It was quite possibly the single most hilarious thing I've done in game. I just couldn't help but laugh at how op it was. Medic loved it. Other team hated it.
Eventually the game ended and I left. I think phlog has been adjusted since then.
It's been lightly nerfed from it's original form: it has -10% base damage, -2 seconds of crit time, and only 75% resistance while MMPHing.
On the flip side, there's both strangifiers and killstreak-ifiers for it, of which I have both. My S. KS. Phlog is sitting pretty at more than a thousand kills with only a few days of use. And my personal record for damage done has been set by phlogging, something I can't help but feel giddy over.
Post by: miauw62 on June 17, 2015, 09:13:50 am
Post by: Spehss _ on June 17, 2015, 09:23:33 am
The phlog is still ridiculous, though. It should just do away with the heal and damage resistance altogheter. Its not like you have to be sneaky to activate it, you can just do it when youre at 1 health and then murder everybody around you.That's exactly what people were doing when it first came out. That's what makes it so good, partly. It's a great panic button.
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 17, 2015, 09:44:47 am
The phlog is still ridiculous, though. It should just do away with the heal and damage resistance altogheter. Its not like you have to be sneaky to activate it, you can just do it when youre at 1 health and then murder everybody around you.That's exactly what people were doing when it first came out. That's what makes it so good, partly. It's a great panic button.
After a bit of firsthand experience, you definitely can't just pop your phlog juice in a crowd of enemies and expect to get away with it, not with just 75% resist. Heck, it just takes one backburner pyro or heavy of any variety and they'll kill you before you finish your taunt. A demoman? Cool taunt bro I'll just put stickies around your feet for when you're done lawl. Catching people off guard is basically a requirement, or you'll get shut down completely.
Having heals helps too, like, alot of heals.
Post by: Spehss _ on June 17, 2015, 11:27:40 am
After a bit of firsthand experience, you definitely can't just pop your phlog juice in a crowd of enemies and expect to get away with it, not with just 75% resist. Heck, it just takes one backburner pyro or heavy of any variety and they'll kill you before you finish your taunt. A demoman? Cool taunt bro I'll just put stickies around your feet for when you're done lawl. Catching people off guard is basically a requirement, or you'll get shut down completely.
Having heals helps too, like, alot of heals.
Sounds like phlog isn't the insanely powerful "taunt and activate mmph to facetank everything" that it used to be. That's good.
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 17, 2015, 12:05:17 pm
Terrifying fun regardless. On my first day I ran into a L33T soldier + medic combo who were clearly friends, very good player but also very rude (Would type 'retard *player*" in chat after getting kills). I found it difficult against him, but whenever he'd let his guard down then vroom vroom here comes the Pyro car!
Unrelated: If anyone wants to play, I'm up:
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198029099955/
Post by: EnigmaticHat on June 17, 2015, 12:14:40 pm
The flare gun and variants are cool but if you aren't primarily using the flamethrower you might as well be playing sniper.
The only thing that keeps pyro half decent is the airblast. It gives them some kind of advantage against soldiers and demos, and it at least allows them to "opt out" of getting shat on heavies by airblasting them away. It lets them efficiently screen away stickies and counter normal ubers. And it lets them be a kind of shield for the rest of the team, at least until the enemy breaks out the hitscan classes which any competent team will sadly.
The phlog seems overpowered until the exact moment where you go up against a good soldier. Then you will die every single time you meet them, crits or no crits. This was true even before the nerf. It was a week or whatever of everyone calling it OP and then people learned how to deal with it and it became a weapon for slaughtering people who are less skilled than you.
(ninja'd)
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 17, 2015, 12:32:04 pm
Vacc is also super good at shutting down a phlogger.
Either way I'd take phlog over backburner. BB's too unreliable, I'll be behind people and just not get crits unless its perfectly behind them. Meanwhile, all the other "get crits behind people" weapons can hit people on the shoulder and crit.
As a pyro, the reserve shooter is also an option, but everyone will hate you for doing so.
Post by: miauw62 on June 17, 2015, 12:52:59 pm
>trickstabs are a thing
gaben is a fickle god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yd1YpPZ0XM
Also when I first started playing lobbies I was surprised at the hate against the reserve shooter. I'd been running it on pubs for a while, and I still don't quite get the hate. (I'm a shotgun man, not a big fan of the flare guns :V)
Pyro in highlander is indeed resigned mostly to combo guarding duty. That said, it's probably the only class that can semi-effectively counter stickyspam. Airblast seems to be quite useful in highlander, even. As I said, especially against goddamn stickyspam. You can also be a pretty good bodyguard, once you realize that you're one of the least important classes: I've gotten between a uber and our combo/sentry multiple times.
I agree with EngimaticHat on the phlog: it's basically purely a pubstomping weapon, which makes it pretty annoying if you're caught in somebody else's pubstomping session :P
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 17, 2015, 01:18:21 pm
Also when I first started playing lobbies I was surprised at the hate against the reserve shooter. I'd been running it on pubs for a while, and I still don't quite get the hate. (I'm a shotgun man, not a big fan of the flare guns :V)
Because the Reserve Shooter is very much a broken weapon. Airblasted? Pyro gets free crits! Jumping at all in any form? Pyro gets free crits! Standing on a sloped surface or stairway? Pyro gets free crits!
It's all the damage (and more!) of the flaregun without any of that pesky timing, leading, or prediction getting in the way. Just point and click for your crits please.
Plus, if all else fails, it's just the shotgun with 4 shells instead of 6. It's easily tolerated on soldier, but it's considered just plain broken on pyro, and people really resent it.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on June 17, 2015, 01:40:14 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on June 17, 2015, 05:32:41 pm
After wrecking him a few times I decided this was no fun and started doing self imposed challenges. No matter what silliness I did, I still found some way to win.
Shit that I did:
Fight several classes, including sniper as a heavy who wasn't using his primary (at one point not even using a shotgun).
Beat a normal heavy as a shotgun heavy (I backcapped)
Melee battle a demoknight with: a sandman, an atomizer, a knife. This one made me feel like I was re-enacting the battle from Meet the Scout.
Beat a soldier and then a demo as a medic (not as hard as it sounds, Blutsauger is fucking aggravating as is fighting someone who has regen when you don't)
I'm not saying any of this was impressive, but boy was it fun. I have no idea why he stuck around but I'm really glad that he did. He was not quite as pants on head as some of what i've said suggested, he did adapt his strategy and he could aim when I bothered to stand still. Not GOOD by any stretch of the imagination but I respect that he kept trying to beat me, lord knows I would have rage quit a long time ago. The sad thing is, someone else came in and joined his team, and THAT GUY quit when I 2v1d as scout. We might have actually gotten a server going if he hadn't :(
This does raise the question as to how a server gets resurrected after everyone leaves...
Post by: WealthyRadish on June 17, 2015, 05:51:49 pm
I recently started playing TF2 again, and wasn't surprised to see every nocrit server in my favorites list either shut down, converted to MGE (or something horrid like Death Run), or perpetually empty (with the server browser faring no better). I've considered hosting a server many times, but it would be so pointless if it'd just stay empty for eternity.
Post by: Spehss _ on June 17, 2015, 06:17:46 pm
I think typically servers get repopulated through the quickplay matchmaking (by whoever actually uses that). It's one of the major reasons why servers without random crits and damage spread have spent most of their time empty since quickplay was implemented, due to quickplay not matching people with servers running those settings (but it'll still match them with servers running all those stupid server plugins like RTD and gameME, I think). For servers without random crits, it's often up to regulars to sit around doing nothing for upwards of half an hour before the server gains enough people to draw players through the server browser (or some kind of organization if that server has an independent community).
I recently started playing TF2 again, and wasn't surprised to see every nocrit server in my favorites list either shut down, converted to MGE (or something horrid like Death Run), or perpetually empty (with the server browser faring no better). I've considered hosting a server many times, but it would be so pointless if it'd just stay empty for eternity.
Yep. Major complaint I have with TF2 currently is finding good servers that aren't constantly empty and aren't Valve servers with sv_pure and pants-on-head players.
Post by: Chaos Armor on June 17, 2015, 07:38:13 pm
RIP Skial Egypt
Post by: Reudh on June 17, 2015, 08:28:34 pm
Post by: hops on June 17, 2015, 09:51:38 pm
It's kind of ironic that actual Australians don't have australium weapons.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 17, 2015, 09:57:32 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 18, 2015, 12:58:50 am
Also, you talk about skill with the flare gun, but remember that some people literally have scripts that automate puff & sting :V
(maybe I should learn to use flare guns, but I'm just really in love with shotguns in general)
Post by: hops on June 18, 2015, 01:01:36 am
Although I suppose Reserve Shooter is good at making soldiers cry.
Post by: Spehss _ on June 18, 2015, 01:21:14 am
I don't know why, but I got to the point with flaregun where I can just switch it out and shoot a shot in the general direction of the enemy (I don't even feel like I'm aiming) then go do something else and hear the satisfying ding 70% of the time. Today I was too jittery to play scout because I keep missing, so I switched to pyro and for some reasons I was consistently landing shots with the flare.That's called projectile prediction skills, muh nizzle. It's a skill. I used to have that with flaregun when I played pyro a lot. Quite fun to shoot towards a corner and oh look, someone walked into your flare. Also a great skill for other classes like soldier or demo, but obviously your skills at prediction depend on which classes and projectile weapons you use regularly. Flare gun projectiles, rocket projectiles, and pipe bombs all travel at very different speeds and have different nuances for aiming.
Although I suppose Reserve Shooter is good at making soldiers cry.
I'm utter shit at hit-scan but I've had great success at projectile prediction if I practice enough. At point I got to where I could accurately land pipe bombs without using a crosshair.
Have I mentioned how much I love pipe bombs today?
Post by: EnigmaticHat on June 18, 2015, 02:16:20 am
Then again that was before I turned off mouse acceleration.
Post by: miauw62 on June 18, 2015, 03:39:10 am
And my aim is really inconsistent. Sometimes I play sniper and I get a dozen headshots easily, other times I'll be relying on bodyshots and jarate to get any kills at all :P
E:
autobalance never fails to fill my veins with RAGE
Post by: hops on June 18, 2015, 04:26:51 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2015, 07:03:02 am
Post by: hops on June 20, 2015, 07:07:28 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2015, 07:09:31 am
Post by: hops on June 20, 2015, 07:11:55 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 20, 2015, 08:35:10 am
http://tf2.gamebanana.com/maps/130068
Jump_Beef is an iconic beginners jump map that has cows that will explain how to do rocket jumps.
That being said, I've never been able to complete it, draw any conclusion you want from that.
EDIT: Here's another one, RJ_Rocketeer:
http://tf2.gamebanana.com/maps/48222
This one I HAVE completed! ... the only one I've ever completed :(
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2015, 08:52:50 am
Thanks for the maps, Google was being rather uncooperative :v
Post by: JoshuaFH on June 20, 2015, 09:29:14 am
I'm willing to provide instruction on how to install maps if you don't already know... but maybe not this instant, I'm going to bed this instant.
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2015, 09:54:18 am
Post by: Spehss _ on June 20, 2015, 09:58:44 am
Post by: hops on June 23, 2015, 04:52:52 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 23, 2015, 05:38:03 am
E: oh and once I was a baby's face blaster scoot with agility, that was pretty funny too.
Post by: Spehss _ on June 23, 2015, 11:34:06 am
This is why more people should play Mannpower (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5q7As-k6Qk)
Spoiler: that whole video is art (click to show/hide)
In unrelated news, sv_pure makes me a sad panda. All my nice skins and custom sounds and gibs and everything either gets replaced by ugly default skins or utterly borked to the point of unplayability. It wouldn't be that bad, except most populated servers run sv_pure and because of the quick play option most community servers are perpetually empty.
Anyone got any server recommendations for no sv_pure and a relatively default TF2 experience in the east US coast area? Seems the best server I've found is Star_'s East Coast server but even that is either completely full or dead empty.
Post by: WealthyRadish on June 23, 2015, 03:59:48 pm
- 8.6.15.3:27015 - Paradise Lost: Probably east coast/central, no crits/dmg spread. Map rotation is alright, kind of bland. Usually has people at night (possibly the most consistently active nocrits server in America right now), ~8/9PM+ EST.derp
- 104.153.105.196:27015 - "Decent Teammates": Could be west coast or central/east, not sure (I'm just judging by my ping honestly). Again, no crits etc, active at night. Rotation is also bland.derp
- 74.91.120.34:27015 - Some rxg server: doesn't have crits or bots, but I haven't seen it active much. Bland rotation, probably west coast.derp
- 67.228.59.144:27015 - SourceOP.com: nocrits etc, intermittently active, better rotation than prior listed, probably west coast.derp
- 64.74.97.25:27015 - Stompfest 24/7 turbine: unfortunately 24/7 on a rather bad map (though I think it's a fun brainless map), no crits etc, possibly east coast/central, somewhat inactive.derp
- 74.91.119.82:27015 - Team-Cream.com: nocrits etc, I haven't seen it active much, bland rotation, runs 8 bots, Chicago.derp
- 72.5.195.248:27015 - Team-Cream.com 24/7 dustbowl: I don't like dustbowl, but hey. nocritsdmgspreadwepspreadetcetc, sometimes active, runs 8 bots, Chicago.derp
Post by: MagmaMcFry on June 30, 2015, 01:55:58 pm
Post by: Lord_lemonpie on June 30, 2015, 02:15:34 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 01, 2015, 08:01:31 pm
http://www.teamfortress.com/gunmettle (http://www.teamfortress.com/gunmettle)
More important than the pointless CS:GO junk and paid mission malarkey getting put in, there are some pretty significant balance changes listed under part 2.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Spehss _ on July 01, 2015, 08:39:27 pm
The cs:go collectable weapon thing also seems stupid. Like more hats but not.
The loch-n-load change seems like a straight nerf. Also still stupid that it has 3 shots and 2 barrels. Browsing the various other changes and nothing really stands out much. Some things, like the natascha and brass beast damage resistance, seem neat. The quickie-bomb launcher change sounds cool. Looks like it would encourage long-range sticky bombing rather than spamming in front of you constantly.
I dunno. i got mixed opinions on how great of an update it is.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 01, 2015, 08:45:14 pm
The PBPP change, as much as it will hurt me personally, was also sorely needed. Scouts are annoying enough to kill without a more-or-less free health increase, and its new stats look interesting at least.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 01, 2015, 09:12:03 pm
The loch-n-load change seems like a straight nerf.
Because it was overpowered.
Post by: hops on July 01, 2015, 09:16:15 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on July 01, 2015, 09:48:25 pm
The loch-n-load change seems like a straight nerf.
Because it was overpowered.
Then maybe they shouldn't have given a two-barreled grenade launcher that deals +20% more damage to everything an extra grenade shot and make the 2-barreled grenade launcher hold 3 grenades in 2 barrels.
Why would I use a grenade launcher with 1 less grenade that has to land direct hits AND has faster moving projectiles than default pipes, requiring relearning projectile prediction, all for only an extra +20% damage to buildings when I'd probably use a sticky launcher on buildings instead? It sounds completely inferior to stock grenade launcher now.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 01, 2015, 09:58:13 pm
The loch-n-load change seems like a straight nerf.
Because it was overpowered.
Then maybe they shouldn't have given a two-barreled grenade launcher that deals +20% more damage to everything an extra grenade shot and make the 2-barreled grenade launcher hold 3 grenades in 2 barrels.
Why would I use a grenade launcher with 1 less grenade that has to land direct hits AND has faster moving projectiles than default pipes, requiring relearning projectile prediction, all for only an extra +20% damage to buildings when I'd probably use a sticky launcher on buildings instead? It sounds completely inferior to stock grenade launcher now.
Now it's a crutch for people that have trouble with pipe prediction, and now also serves a secondary purpose against buildings. I'm perfectly ok with that.
Post by: Spehss _ on July 01, 2015, 10:30:15 pm
Now it's a crutch for people that have trouble with pipe prediction, and now also serves a secondary purpose against buildings. I'm perfectly ok with that.
Sounds like it would be basically useless then. If you're playing demo to destroy buildings, use sticky bombs. If you're not running sticky bombs you're probably relying on either grenade launchers - which you'd want to be good for fights against other players, so either good damage or good mag size- or running melee demoknight where you aren't going to be destroying sentry nests.
No reason to use the new LnL as a pure grenadier loadout rather than the stock or iron bomber, due to LnL having only 3 pipes and it requires direct hits, aka exact aim to get damage out of it. And as a melee demo you wouldn't use a pipe launcher anyway. And if you're running pure explosives with stickies and grenades then you'd probably use stickies to destroy buildings and nests rather than grenades.
One positive with the new LnL is that buildings can't dodge your shots, I guess.
If people have a hard time landing direct hits with pipes then they should practice more with the default launcher than use a crutch. Or play another class less reliant on projectile prediction.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 01, 2015, 10:39:41 pm
I'm just waiting for the update to hit proper so I can better gauge the nerf to the Baby Face's Blaster, which was even more overpowered.
The only thing I'm legit upset about it that the Vacc doesn't protect against crits passively anymore, and that it has a large uber building penalty on overhealed patient, which seemed GROSSLY unnecessary. But it seems it has a new mechanic attached to it, so I'll have to experiment.
Post by: Egan_BW on July 01, 2015, 10:50:23 pm
New Lnl seems useless. the damage boost against buildings doesn't outweigh having to be in line-of-sight.
Post by: Putnam on July 01, 2015, 10:54:37 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 01, 2015, 10:56:17 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on July 02, 2015, 12:09:44 am
I immediately saw the six dollar tagline.
What. Why do we need to charge money for this. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but why? It sounds awesome but if they're charging money for one of a kind weapons after doing challenges....
Whatever. Not gonna get anything even if it was free with my luck :P
Post by: Putnam on July 02, 2015, 12:10:23 am
Interest-
I immediately saw the six dollar tagline.
What. Why do we need to charge money for this. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but why? It sounds awesome but if they're charging money for one of a kind weapons after doing challenges....
Whatever. Not gonna get anything even if it was free with my luck :P
This is basically a mashup of CS:GO's item drops and Dota 2's compendium system, seems about normal to me.
Post by: Iceblaster on July 02, 2015, 12:15:27 am
I feel like they nerfed the dead ringer a bit too much. Until I see it in gameplay, I will see it as a nerf. I mean, it just feels like they took complaints about it and nerfed it. The -50 cloak on feign death and no ammo pickup while cloaked is the main thing I'm looking at. Maybe I'm too newb and rely on it a lot, but I like to play a spy that is more a harassment more than an effctive thing(though i do be effective sometimse), sooo I dunno.
Post by: Putnam on July 02, 2015, 12:23:23 am
Post by: hops on July 02, 2015, 12:36:45 am
Post by: Spehss _ on July 02, 2015, 12:48:01 am
a good DR spy shouldn't be grabbing ammo anyways, since a good pyro will set the ammo places on fire.A good pyro would set all the places on fire. :p
Post by: Egan_BW on July 02, 2015, 12:50:37 am
The best Pyro would burn both teams.a good DR spy shouldn't be grabbing ammo anyways, since a good pyro will set the ammo places on fire.A good pyro would set all the places on fire. :p
Post by: Spehss _ on July 02, 2015, 01:18:20 am
The greatest pyro would burn the game disc during gameplay. get it? burn a disc? punny.The best Pyro would burn both teams.a good DR spy shouldn't be grabbing ammo anyways, since a good pyro will set the ammo places on fire.A good pyro would set all the places on fire. :p
Post by: LASD on July 02, 2015, 01:27:47 am
The Gun Mettle Update! (http://www.teamfortress.com/gunmettle/)
Apparently Valve borrowed a few pages from CS:GO and introduced a bunch of systems people are going crazy over to TF2. The paint jobs aren't that exciting to me, but the contract books looked really fun in CS:GO. Some additional goals to give you rewards while playing the normal game sounds pretty good to me. Though there is the 6 dollar price tag that is pretty high considering how much I don't play TF2. Especially when it sounds like it only goes on for 3 months.
EDIT: Oh whoops, I'm a bit late it seems.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 02, 2015, 01:32:42 am
Ah... Though looking over spy changes...Meh. The dead ringer made revealed spies feel safe. That never should have been the case. It was meant as a mindgames tool but no one uses it like that. I can't count the times I got a single pistol hit on a spy and he fell over dead. And I just walked away, because there was no possible way I was going to kill him.
I feel like they nerfed the dead ringer a bit too much. Until I see it in gameplay, I will see it as a nerf. I mean, it just feels like they took complaints about it and nerfed it. The -50 cloak on feign death and no ammo pickup while cloaked is the main thing I'm looking at. Maybe I'm too newb and rely on it a lot, but I like to play a spy that is more a harassment more than an effctive thing(though i do be effective sometimse), sooo I dunno.
Post by: miauw62 on July 02, 2015, 03:50:44 am
The spy effectively DIED, he's out of the game until his dr recharges, so then what's the point?
I'm pretty happy with the spy changes in general.
Sort of iffy on the minisentry changes, though. I don't think the gaining health during construction change was really neccesary.
E:
I'm also happy that they made the Jag an actual viable choice.
E2: I'm pretty happy with the changes in general. We may only be getting junk for new features, but at least we're getting a lot of long overdue balance changes.
E3:
I'm sort of pissed off at the pick up weapon changes, though. People always dropping ammo packs when they die is going to be pretty ugly, and that only for a mechanic that's only useful to new players, but that new players will never know exists. (i think the action key isnt even bound by default)
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 02, 2015, 04:41:42 am
E: IT'S OUT
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 02, 2015, 07:56:22 pm
Spoiler: Maps! (click to show/hide)
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 02, 2015, 08:13:32 pm
Post by: Flying Carcass on July 02, 2015, 09:35:05 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on July 02, 2015, 10:00:07 pm
Now my frames drop to 40 - 20 range just from me leaving spawn. Ugh. Game's too frustrating to mess with now.
Also, sv_pure is still a thing. Valve plz.
Post by: Rose on July 03, 2015, 12:39:08 am
Some people are cheating bastards.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 03, 2015, 12:40:36 am
Post by: Spehss _ on July 03, 2015, 12:45:11 am
What's wrong with sv_pure?Fairly certain those cheating bastards found ways around it. Meanwhile, all my custom skins I used that make the game look nice are borked on 90% of the populated servers and can even make the game unplayable.
Some people are cheating bastards.
I'll probably just move all my custom content folder except the hitsound, but I hate having to do that. Part of what I liked about TF2 was the customization potential with skins and stuff, and now that's been ruined by some cheating bastards.
Post by: Leafsnail on July 03, 2015, 01:47:10 am
Post by: Putnam on July 03, 2015, 01:54:12 am
The Dead Ringer was a way for spies to stay alive forever but not actually achieve anything
C&D too
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 03, 2015, 01:54:59 am
Fairly certain those cheating bastards found ways around it.You know its funny, but the VAC system in TF2 seems to be completely infallible. Like, I acknowledge, rationally, that it must not be. But I haven't seen any evidence. Most hackers seem to be swiftly dealt with and I've never heard of a false-positive VAC ban.
Post by: Putnam on July 03, 2015, 02:00:33 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 03, 2015, 02:25:05 am
I had to give up for today, because I really love Tf2 and I want to play it, but apparently TF2 has already decided that I don't deserve to play and I should just not even try.
I'm gonna have to get a new router or something, because that's actually where I'm sure the problem is. Just goddamn it, why does this have to happen during such a huge update?
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 03, 2015, 03:39:10 am
Post by: Reudh on July 03, 2015, 04:20:26 am
Also yeah, I've been having (minor) fps issues from this update. Nothing unplayable, but a definite drop.
In buff/nerf news, the new Scorch Shot is great for sowing chaos amongst players, and is also fantastic at jumping now. You can now jump about as high as 2.5 jumps with it.
Natascha while having lower damage actually feels usable now as a tanky weapon with that 20% damage resistance. mmmmmm, I love that "resisted" hitsound.
Post by: miauw62 on July 03, 2015, 05:26:13 am
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 03, 2015, 05:52:16 am
It looks like I have accidentally met Magma on one of the Gun Mettle servers :PActually I joined you.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 03, 2015, 02:18:59 pm
Natascha while having lower damage actually feels usable now as a tanky weapon with that 20% damage resistance. mmmmmm, I love that "resisted" hitsound.
They gave that to the natascha, and then they gave the exact same thing to the brass beast, which was already better anyways.
But I haven't started it up because they're offering moar cheevmints for $6, and I'd rather do anything else.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 03, 2015, 02:20:25 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on July 03, 2015, 02:25:29 pm
Brass Beast has terrible mobility though.Natascha while having lower damage actually feels usable now as a tanky weapon with that 20% damage resistance. mmmmmm, I love that "resisted" hitsound.
They gave that to the natascha, and then they gave the exact same thing to the brass beast, which was already better anyways.
But I haven't started it up because they're offering moar cheevmints for $6, and I'd rather do anything else.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 03, 2015, 02:37:12 pm
I think it's time for me to PTW this thread after being accused of hacking enough times. Because apparently it's impossible to perform a decent twitch shot without an aimbot. I feel proud of myself.Sniper or scout?
Brass Beast has terrible mobility though.Natascha while having lower damage actually feels usable now as a tanky weapon with that 20% damage resistance. mmmmmm, I love that "resisted" hitsound.
Yeah, BB is just crippling. It doesn't actually increase your damage in most cases because Heavy excels in close quarters and the BB is very awkward in CQC. You have to think of yourself as this weird mobile turret. Not worth it most of the time.
They gave that to the natascha, and then they gave the exact same thing to the brass beast, which was already better anyways.
But I haven't started it up because they're offering moar cheevmints for $6, and I'd rather do anything else.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 03, 2015, 03:09:31 pm
Sniper or scout?Any class with a single-fire hitscan weapon, really. Usually scout, but I once got a fun reaction as reserve shooter pyro:
Quote from: Opposing team's MVP
I will literally give you a hat if you kick Icy Tea right now. He's definitely cheating.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 03, 2015, 03:20:37 pm
Post by: Putnam on July 03, 2015, 04:19:21 pm
hahaha
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 03, 2015, 04:34:22 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 03, 2015, 04:51:13 pm
Twitch aim is something else entirely, since airblasting is more about knowing that the target will be in the same place every time, making it very hard to miss. I once played a round as degreaser pyro with my monitor off, swinging my axe constantly to hear when I was near a wall (and sometimes crouching and hitting the ground to make sure I wasn't looking straight up or down). I think the map was ctf_turbine, since it has such a basic layout. Then it was just a case of puffing around when I hear people, and if I get a hitsound, doing the combo. I actually killed a few doing this.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 04, 2015, 12:11:44 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 06, 2015, 09:35:50 am
8/8 gr8 upd8 m8
e:
oh hey this weapon sells for eighty cents nice
TF2: Sell Mettle Update
Post by: Reudh on July 06, 2015, 11:51:32 am
Post by: Spehss _ on July 06, 2015, 11:58:54 am
The Loch and Load is still infuriating to fight against. Even without that damage bonus, it hits for ~100 at any range, because it still has no damage falloff! I hardly think that the loss of its 25% damage bonus is a nerf - properly it should have retained the damage bonus but gained damage falloff.Not much different from a demo who's mastered the stock grenade launcher. Don't think the stock has damage falloff either. LnL just has faster projectiles.
Eeeh. I guess giving pipes damage falloff wouldn't completely ruin them. Rockets have falloff, for example. Rockets are more straightforward to shoot and hit with than pipes though. Rockets explode instantly on contact with people and surfaces, grenades only explode instantly on direct hits with players. Rockets travel in a straight line, pipes have more of an arc. Etc.
Post by: miauw62 on July 06, 2015, 01:39:30 pm
>do three campaigns in one day
>get two of the same weapon and a case
>sell one weapon and the case
>get 7 euros
soon i'll be a millionaire.
Post by: Putnam on July 06, 2015, 03:09:53 pm
it's worth $16
i know have 20 dollars in my steam wallet
PROFIT
Post by: Egan_BW on July 06, 2015, 03:12:11 pm
totally worth the effort
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 06, 2015, 08:56:07 pm
Post by: Reudh on July 06, 2015, 09:03:16 pm
The Loch and Load is still infuriating to fight against. Even without that damage bonus, it hits for ~100 at any range, because it still has no damage falloff! I hardly think that the loss of its 25% damage bonus is a nerf - properly it should have retained the damage bonus but gained damage falloff.Not much different from a demo who's mastered the stock grenade launcher. Don't think the stock has damage falloff either. LnL just has faster projectiles.
Eeeh. I guess giving pipes damage falloff wouldn't completely ruin them. Rockets have falloff, for example. Rockets are more straightforward to shoot and hit with than pipes though. Rockets explode instantly on contact with people and surfaces, grenades only explode instantly on direct hits with players. Rockets travel in a straight line, pipes have more of an arc. Etc.
Hmm, true - but the increased projectile speed means that you can fire 100 damage nades at a much longer range, where a Soldier's rockets would probably be dealing 40 or so.
Post by: Descan on July 06, 2015, 09:13:27 pm
Probably. :P
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 06, 2015, 10:38:11 pm
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on July 06, 2015, 10:39:07 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 06, 2015, 11:11:07 pm
I see the bazaar bargain is the new BFB.
It's pretty bananas. You get up to 10 heads, and it feels like you're accidentally getting a full charge just waiting a couple seconds for someone to peek a corner. Even at like, 6 heads, it feels absurd. I don't know if it's really crazy OP or anything though, since it doesn't change anything that could've situationally been done with any other rifle. There's still a charge delay, so you can't do something really disgusting like scope a full bodyshot while fighting someone in close range, and normally it's functionally the same as encountering some sea turtle who's been hardscoped for 6 hours.
Post by: miauw62 on July 07, 2015, 03:44:15 am
Post by: Iceblaster on July 07, 2015, 10:45:55 am
Really wondering if I should unbox the next case I get. It might give me a nice strange that I don't have yet, but it might also be shit :x
Don't. Last I checked, cases are extremely valuable. Not sure if it's still true. Keep it until the supply is not coming in any longer. It'll slowly rise in value, like bread boxes.
EDIT: Apparently my non-crafteable non-tradable strange haunted nightmare hunter hat from 2014's halloween update is worth a key. Why does backpack.tf show the item worth if it isn't even tradeable :c
Post by: Metalax on July 07, 2015, 02:11:24 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 07, 2015, 02:13:57 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on July 07, 2015, 03:25:25 pm
I think they'll stop selling keys for the cases after the event, so at that point they'll be garbage for a few years until they become collector's items.
And that's what sucks about event things. AFAIK, the bread box is the only recent event crate that doesn't become useless after a certain amount of time passes :c
EDIT: Played the new update. My experience before and after.
Before:
Yaaaay tf2 is so fun slice slic stab pew pew
After:
WHY DO I RUBBERBAND HALF THE TIME.
Seriously. What the hell, why is it so laggy all of a sudden. Is it the skins? Is it the new shit they added? Hope Valve puts out a fix for it within a month.
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on July 07, 2015, 07:12:19 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on July 07, 2015, 08:39:37 pm
Recent major update that included limited supply. Since I started.
I came in around the time Expiration Date came out and all :P
Post by: miauw62 on July 08, 2015, 04:10:21 am
It doesn't disturb my finely-honed pubstomping skills, though :P
Post by: Putnam on July 08, 2015, 04:13:52 am
it may be a problem with a specific range of hardware independent of power that I don't have though
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on July 08, 2015, 09:23:45 am
Post by: Putnam on July 08, 2015, 08:27:14 pm
For the Gun Mettle update, I'm gonna hold on to my items (sold the first two before I thought of this) because since it's finite, the supply will dry up and the price will almost certainly go up.
Probably. :P
NOOOOOOOO
the supply tends to be lower early on and the price higher
check out the price for the cases
Post by: Descan on July 08, 2015, 09:06:27 pm
I SHRUG AT YOU, PUTNAM
I SHRUG AT YOOOOU
Post by: LASD on July 09, 2015, 11:29:00 am
But if the CS:GO crate crazes are anything to go by, the price of the cases will keep dropping.
Post by: miauw62 on July 09, 2015, 11:36:04 am
Post by: Calidovi on July 09, 2015, 12:30:42 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on July 09, 2015, 12:38:14 pm
I stopped playing TF2 in December of last year, and I haven't been interested since. Should I get back into it?Eh. If your computer runs it well and you can find a good server (or you like pubstomping valve servers) and you have the free time for it and you're aware that your skills have probably rusted since you last played but you're willing to practice anyway, I don't see why not.
I have, like, none of those things.
Post by: miauw62 on July 09, 2015, 12:39:02 pm
E:
while many welcomed the balance changes, BS weapons like the huntsman still exist
Post by: Spehss _ on July 09, 2015, 01:10:21 pm
while many welcomed the balance changes, BS weapons like the huntsman still existoi m8, huntsman takes skill. like demoman takes skill.
Nah, really. Huntsman is a totally different playstyle from the other snipers that just hitscan all day erryday. Gotta learn the nuances of predicting the huntsman projectiles so you can land shots on moving targets at various distances. I hate standard hitscan snipers more. Get in my face and headshot me like a man, not hiding in the corner at the far end of the map like a coward.
Post by: Iceblaster on July 09, 2015, 01:18:02 pm
Valve servers are the only good servers left anyway, unless you like the points bullshit + rtd + p2w + advertisements when you join.
But trade servers are alright. I can't be arsed to learn the nuances of backpack.tf,outpost, etc :P
Post by: miauw62 on July 09, 2015, 01:56:34 pm
i do get in people's faces as a normal sniper.while many welcomed the balance changes, BS weapons like the huntsman still existoi m8, huntsman takes skill. like demoman takes skill.
Nah, really. Huntsman is a totally different playstyle from the other snipers that just hitscan all day erryday. Gotta learn the nuances of predicting the huntsman projectiles so you can land shots on moving targets at various distances. I hate standard hitscan snipers more. Get in my face and headshot me like a man, not hiding in the corner at the far end of the map like a coward.
you dont even need to headshot to get ridiculous damage with the huntsman, and it's hard not to get headshots :x
anyway, when you're being shot at it feels like this: https://youtu.be/9yd1YpPZ0XM?t=23s
Post by: Spehss _ on July 09, 2015, 02:29:33 pm
i do get in people's faces as a normal sniper.Not really. Maybe when it was first released, the hit detection was that wonky. Whenever I've tested it on tr_walkway the hitboxes seem perfectly reasonable.
you dont even need to headshot to get ridiculous damage with the huntsman, and it's hard not to get headshots :x
anyway, when you're being shot at it feels like this: https://youtu.be/9yd1YpPZ0XM?t=23s
And it seems fair to get "ridiculous damage" without a headshot out of a non-exploding projectile that's harder to hit with than a hitscan rifle.
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 09, 2015, 04:14:15 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on July 09, 2015, 09:06:45 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on July 09, 2015, 09:15:59 pm
I dunno you can just fire it vaguely at headheight down some corridor and it will often score a headshot due to the generous hit detection.You can do the same thing with rockets, grenades, stickies, flares, all being shot towards a corner or high traffic area, etc, although of course not headshots. Hell, snipers usually plant their scoped in crosshair at a corner at head height waiting for enemies to round the corner. This argument hardly seems like enough justification to say that huntsman is broken. It's more a case of just spamming projectiles.
A common tactic I use as demoman for dealing with pyros is backing around corners and predicting when they come around the corner after me and preemptively fire a grenade so it hits as soon as they turn the corner. Works like a charm. Another thing I do is fire it towards a crowd of people pushing a cart, and due to the fustercluck of hitboxes I can expect to get several direct hits and often leads to multikills. Are pipe bombs broken then?
Post by: hops on July 09, 2015, 09:17:39 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 09, 2015, 09:20:06 pm
I dunno you can just fire it vaguely at headheight down some corridor and it will often score a headshot due to the generous hit detection.You can do the same thing with rockets, grenades, stickies, flares, all being shot towards a corner or high traffic area, etc, although of course not headshots. Hell, snipers usually plant their scoped in crosshair at a corner at head height waiting for enemies to round the corner. This argument hardly seems like enough justification to say that huntsman is broken. It's more a case of just spamming projectiles.
A common tactic I use as demoman for dealing with pyros is backing around corners and predicting when they come around the corner after me and preemptively fire a grenade so it hits as soon as they turn the corner. Works like a charm. Another thing I do is fire it towards a crowd of people pushing a cart, and due to the fustercluck of hitboxes I can expect to get several direct hits and often leads to multikills. Are pipe bombs broken then?
No he's right, Huntsman is 100% broken. Hitscan (normal bullet weapons) and projectiles (like arrows...) use different hitboxes. If you side-by-side compare them, you'll notice that the head hitbox for headshots for arrows is something like twice as big as it is for regular bullets. Plus the arrow's hitbox itself is enormous, it's more like you're firing a highspeed log at the enemy than an arrow. It's egregious.
Post by: Spehss _ on July 09, 2015, 09:31:20 pm
Plus, Huntsman is kinda built for spamming projectiles, although I agree it's kind of annoying since it's still stronger than the sniper rifle at close range. I think they should reduce the hitbox to flare-size.It's almost as if they meant for hunstman to be used in closer range than rifles. :P
No he's right, Huntsman is 100% broken. Hitscan (normal bullet weapons) and projectiles (like arrows...) use different hitboxes. If you side-by-side compare them, you'll notice that the head hitbox for headshots for arrows is something like twice as big as it is for regular bullets. Plus the arrow's hitbox itself is enormous, it's more like you're firing a highspeed log at the enemy than an arrow. It's egregious.So, if Valve reduced the hitboxes, would huntsman not be broken and cheap?
Post by: hops on July 09, 2015, 09:32:58 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on July 09, 2015, 09:37:57 pm
I'm pretty sure Huntsman is intended for medium range, not headshotting a scout who is circlestrafing around you.If the user can land the shots then he can use it at close range. Projectile prediction, yo. Scout should dodged less predictably, or flank and catch them off guard.
Post by: hops on July 09, 2015, 09:47:15 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on July 10, 2015, 01:38:59 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 10, 2015, 04:04:18 am
On another topic, this still isn't fixed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewg5FuzTRXs).
The thing that confuses me most is why dropping guns into the payload makes it explode. maybe valve should be fixing that instead???
Post by: Putnam on July 10, 2015, 04:07:45 am
On another topic, this still isn't fixed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewg5FuzTRXs).
no? (http://store.steampowered.com/news/17476/)
Post by: hops on July 10, 2015, 04:19:43 am
You do realize that video just said it's updated for GunMettle?On another topic, this still isn't fixed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewg5FuzTRXs).
no? (http://store.steampowered.com/news/17476/)
It was hilariously easy originally and can happen accidentally, now it's *slightly* harder, but it's definitely not fixed. You just have to keep throwing weapons until it falls through.
I suspect that this is caused from the fact that the payload reaching that point triggers the hole to open, causing the payload to fall and touch the barrels and cause exploshuns.
All they really need to do is make it so that only the payload make it blow up, but apparently they can't do that for some reasons due to the nature of Source engine, so instead they made it so that any slightest nudge to the barrels trigger the explosions.
Or something. Source is confusing.
Post by: Calidovi on July 10, 2015, 09:01:41 am
You do realize that video just said it's updated for GunMettle?On another topic, this still isn't fixed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewg5FuzTRXs).
no? (http://store.steampowered.com/news/17476/)
It was hilariously easy originally and can happen accidentally, now it's *slightly* harder, but it's definitely not fixed. You just have to keep throwing weapons until it falls through.
I suspect that this is caused from the fact that the payload reaching that point triggers the hole to open, causing the payload to fall and touch the barrels and cause exploshuns.
All they really need to do is make it so that only the payload make it blow up, but apparently they can't do that for some reasons due to the nature of Source engine, so instead they made it so that any slightest nudge to the barrels trigger the explosions.
Or something. Source is confusing.
Valve time is soon. I hate to agree with STAR_, but I have to say that it seems like none of the devs play TF2.
Post by: hops on July 10, 2015, 09:18:07 am
Post by: Graknorke on July 10, 2015, 11:02:14 am
Post by: Calidovi on July 10, 2015, 11:06:46 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 10, 2015, 06:28:45 pm
I just realized that you don't need to launch TF2 to enter the Mann Co. store anymore.
... How? I can't figure it out.
Post by: Calidovi on July 10, 2015, 07:34:15 pm
I just realized that you don't need to launch TF2 to enter the Mann Co. store anymore.
... How? I can't figure it out.
When I said 'just realized', I meant the last time I cared about TF2, sorry. The link is no longer on the webpage.
Post by: Jar of Jam on July 11, 2015, 02:55:17 pm
Post by: Calidovi on July 11, 2015, 03:51:12 pm
So, thoughts on the TF2 weapon cases? Worth opening or not?
It's a moneygrabbing tactic at best, but some of them do look nice.
Post by: miauw62 on July 13, 2015, 11:31:09 am
E: in short, it's the ultimate pub map.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 13, 2015, 12:19:14 pm
So, thoughts on the TF2 weapon cases? Worth opening or not?
It's a moneygrabbing tactic at best, but some of them do look nice.
I wouldn't call it moneygrabbing, I'd call it employing their purely aesthetic items for microtransactions business model very well.
Post by: Calidovi on July 13, 2015, 01:13:19 pm
So, thoughts on the TF2 weapon cases? Worth opening or not?
It's a moneygrabbing tactic at best, but some of them do look nice.
I wouldn't call it moneygrabbing, I'd call it employing their purely aesthetic items for microtransactions business model very well.
I like their F2P but pay to look good model wholeheartedly, but I worry about how much time was spent on it.
Post by: Putnam on July 13, 2015, 01:55:00 pm
And most hats are community made
Valve is spending most of their time on Source 2 and Dota 2's custom game tools right about now
TF2 is also getting competitive matchmaking in a few months
Post by: Calidovi on July 13, 2015, 09:17:36 pm
The skins are a feature already in CS:GO and AFAIK based on the procedural zombies from L4D2, so it was AFAIK basically texturing work this time around
And most hats are community made
Valve is spending most of their time on Source 2 and Dota 2's custom game tools right about now
TF2 is also getting competitive matchmaking in a few months
That's true, I have high hopes for Source 2. Though all we have are leaked files, I can stay hype-y.
Post by: Putnam on July 13, 2015, 09:18:13 pm
Post by: Calidovi on July 13, 2015, 09:31:09 pm
...They have a fully playable public beta with a gigantic public announcement (https://www.dota2.com/reborn/part3) for source 2
oh :( please no ban for shitpost
Post by: miauw62 on July 14, 2015, 01:54:34 am
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Maps in Source 2 can be authored using powerful geometry editing tools and may contain complex meshes which are free of convexity constraints.
Does this mean that they're changing their map format from bsp to something else?
Post by: Rose on July 14, 2015, 01:58:39 am
Since at least DOTA 2 is using a tile-based system instead.
Post by: Putnam on July 14, 2015, 02:06:39 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 15, 2015, 07:12:07 am
Hit me up if you wanna be pocketed for like a half-hour: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198029099955/
edit: it's done
Post by: Calidovi on July 15, 2015, 11:19:53 am
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 15, 2015, 03:38:04 pm
Post by: Putnam on July 15, 2015, 03:48:36 pm
Do you think they're going to update sprays with the advent of Source 2 or get rid of them entirely?
How would they update them?
I mean, other than making them .vmat instead of .vtf or whatever.
Post by: Putnam on July 16, 2015, 01:52:16 am
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Fixed an exploit related to the final control point and dropped weapons on Badwater, Barnblitz, Borneo, and Goldrush
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on July 16, 2015, 05:06:53 am
Post by: hops on July 16, 2015, 08:35:08 am
Post by: Calidovi on July 16, 2015, 10:57:45 am
Do you think they're going to update sprays with the advent of Source 2 or get rid of them entirely?
How would they update them?
I mean, other than making them .vmat instead of .vtf or whatever.
Making them easier to create or something. There's this teaser on the CS:GO dev Twitter, and there's a lot of speculation that it could be sprays.
Post by: miauw62 on July 16, 2015, 11:00:20 am
Post by: Calidovi on July 16, 2015, 11:38:46 am
Is there any reason they can't just package source with a program that converts common formats (png, jpg, gif, maybe even webm) to the spray format and then just let people select a file and have it be automatically converted?
but s2 is on its way theyll patch everythin w/ that u no
Post by: Putnam on July 16, 2015, 02:14:02 pm
Is there any reason they can't just package source with a program that converts common formats (png, jpg, gif, maybe even webm) to the spray format and then just let people select a file and have it be automatically converted?
it already does that with png
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 16, 2015, 03:51:27 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 16, 2015, 03:57:10 pm
So all they would have to do is expand it to other formats so people can make animated pornographic furry sprays more easily? :PIs there any reason they can't just package source with a program that converts common formats (png, jpg, gif, maybe even webm) to the spray format and then just let people select a file and have it be automatically converted?
it already does that with png
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 16, 2015, 04:19:03 pm
Then again, I've also kept disabled voice chat, text chat, hats, gibs, pity for friendlies, fun...
Post by: Calidovi on July 16, 2015, 06:08:56 pm
Post by: PTTG?? on July 17, 2015, 03:37:40 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 17, 2015, 03:52:05 pm
Borneo is crap. It's totally indefensible.
By pro players, Borneo is actually considered to be the best map to get released in the update. :P
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 17, 2015, 05:02:57 pm
Borneo is crap. It's totally indefensible.
By pro players, Borneo is actually considered to be the best map to get released in the update. :P
eh, I don't see why.
I will give it that it is the least bad map in the pack.
Post by: Calidovi on July 17, 2015, 05:04:37 pm
Borneo is crap. It's totally indefensible.
Almost getting to the point of reinstalling TF2, what do you hate so much about Borneo?
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 17, 2015, 07:06:37 pm
Borneo is crap. It's totally indefensible.The last point is totally easy to defend though. A couple of sentries by the final point guarded by a homewrecker pyro, a medic or two at each side exit, and some other players with the common sense not to go outside the building.
Post by: PTTG?? on July 17, 2015, 07:49:56 pm
Borneo is crap. It's totally indefensible.The last point is totally easy to defend though. A couple of sentries by the final point guarded by a homewrecker pyro, a medic or two at each side exit, and some other players with the common sense not to go outside the building.
So on 99.998% of servers, indefensible.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 17, 2015, 07:59:47 pm
Oh yeah? I tend to play Medic on Borneo (on Valve servers). When I play RED, the cart usually goes more or less straight into the final building, then stops, then time runs out.Borneo is crap. It's totally indefensible.The last point is totally easy to defend though. A couple of sentries by the final point guarded by a homewrecker pyro, a medic or two at each side exit, and some other players with the common sense not to go outside the building.
So on 99.998% of servers, indefensible.
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 17, 2015, 08:10:29 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 17, 2015, 09:41:15 pm
I've also had a good amount of games end at the first corner, before the first point.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 17, 2015, 11:26:36 pm
Yeah, Borneo's biggest problem is that the final point is horrible to push (the spawn being so close, the requirement for attackers to clear from the sides before pushing, and the lack of long sightlines make it easy to defend). I think many people have the wrong idea when it comes to map balance on A/D and PL maps. Pubs would be a lot more enjoyable if they followed a similar format to how they're played in UGC and tournament mode, with the emphasis being on winning offense with a better time rather than making maps where the defenders are expected to win in anything but a stompfest.Then you run into the L4D2 problem: did bad in the first phase of the game? Everyone quits.
Post by: miauw62 on July 18, 2015, 02:01:28 am
I haven't actually gotten many chances to play Borneo yet, the map always seems to change rather quickly.
Also, as I have said, powerhouse is the new incarnation of 2fort: terribly designed, but very, very fun to play on.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 18, 2015, 02:26:21 am
Same thing with Suijin, it was meant to be a map for the Arena Respawn custom game mode, which is 5v5 one-max class limits with a pick n ban system for any classes either team doesn't like... but it got retrofitted to ordinary 12v12 no class limit KOTH
Post by: hops on July 18, 2015, 02:29:25 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 18, 2015, 04:51:53 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on July 18, 2015, 09:59:47 pm
Going to join the "this update makes me lag for no apparent reason" crowd.
Welcome to the club!
:P
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 19, 2015, 05:15:54 pm
Without a medic, your supposedly 'high' health means nothing. You take one extra hit to die, whoop-de-doo. And once you take damage there is so much downtime to mitigate it, either waddling to health packs or being stationary eating sandviches. One fight will whittle you down to nothing.
The damage nerf is the real kicker, just kills the class. The minigun's dps is just cut in half for the first second of firing. Anytime you stop firing, the nerf resets, so you end up spamming like an idiot just so maybe you'll do damage. The minigun just isn't a threat anymore. Everyone either just casually walks away or just outdamages you and kills you.
People say the new tomislav makes up for it, I think its still crap. Your damage is still cut in half, so what if you spin up slightly faster.
After playing heavy, I just switch to demo or soldier. Soldier can be just as tanky, move faster, and do more damage.
Post by: Calidovi on July 19, 2015, 06:04:57 pm
rant
The heavy may not be extremely fun and I resent the game designers for doing that, but he does very well as posing as a distraction while the DPS squad go in and do their work. Nonetheless, I still expect him to get a buff.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 19, 2015, 06:50:09 pm
Heavy is damn near impossible to play without being downright frustrating. You need a medic shoved up your ass so far he becomes a hairpiece just to transcend to 'meh' tier.
Without a medic, your supposedly 'high' health means nothing. You take one extra hit to die, whoop-de-doo. And once you take damage there is so much downtime to mitigate it, either waddling to health packs or being stationary eating sandviches. One fight will whittle you down to nothing.
The damage nerf is the real kicker, just kills the class. The minigun's dps is just cut in half for the first second of firing. Anytime you stop firing, the nerf resets, so you end up spamming like an idiot just so maybe you'll do damage. The minigun just isn't a threat anymore. Everyone either just casually walks away or just outdamages you and kills you.
People say the new tomislav makes up for it, I think its still crap. Your damage is still cut in half, so what if you spin up slightly faster.
After playing heavy, I just switch to demo or soldier. Soldier can be just as tanky, move faster, and do more damage.
You actually got it mostly right. Most of heavy's skill ceiling comes from the fact that he's so slow, you have to read the current battle situation correctly at all times and orient your timing and position in preparation for conflict, and the slowness makes that unforgiving.
The Tomislav's 20% tighter accuracy actually has an interesting mathematical property. A more experienced player showed it to me with just a picture how the heavy's cone of bullets is tightened, that at point blank range your damage is reduced by the 20% firing speed, but past a certain range threshold the tighter cone actually means your effective midrange dps is increased by 56%! It's a favorite among heavies with excellent tracking.
But trust me when I say that becoming a good heavy is pretty easy, but becoming a GREAT heavy requires an enormous input of effort.
Post by: Spehss _ on July 19, 2015, 07:00:05 pm
heavy
Heavy without medic can be real good at blockading a route. Just camp in an area with a health pack drop to provide health, or near a team dispenser so you can retreat and heal up. Obviously alone you will not be able to tank through a combined enemy force but you can prevent lone enemies from going through your blockade, whether by killing them outright or providing a wall of dakka to deter them.
I think a big part of playing heavy is knowing how to pick your battles. Even with a medic you aren't invincible, and you need to know what you can stand up against without dying or putting the medic in too much danger before they're uber is charged.
Heavy + medic can be a big juggernaut and offensive force, provided they have team support. Without medic, heavy is a team member to support the team. You can't expect a fat guy with a minigun to be able to tank an entire enemy team on his own.
Kinda funny you say the heavy isn't a part of the dps squad. I think heavy is the most straightforward dps based class. Just point the machinegun and fire dakka until the enemy's health is zero.rant
The heavy may not be extremely fun and I resent the game designers for doing that, but he does very well as posing as a distraction while the DPS squad go in and do their work. Nonetheless, I still expect him to get a buff.
edit: ninja'd by josh. He has some good points on the whole "picking your battles" thing and heavy's speed I didn't consider.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 19, 2015, 07:15:03 pm
Post by: hops on July 19, 2015, 10:19:21 pm
I'm a Sniper main and really I haven't read any Heavy guides, but when I go Heavy on Defense I almost never die if I don't walk into open areas and spycheck often.
What Heavies don't seem to get is that any competent Sniper can and /will/ kill you if you stay in his line of sight long enough for him to charge his shot. Without a medic on you, Heavy is not able to act as offense, and should serve as more of a mobile sentry.
Post by: Spehss _ on July 19, 2015, 11:06:19 pm
Heavy... is frustrating?
I'm a Sniper main and really I haven't read any Heavy guides, but when I go Heavy on Defense I almost never die if I don't walk into open areas and spycheck often.
What Heavies don't seem to get is that any competent Sniper can and /will/ kill you if you stay in his line of sight long enough for him to charge his shot. Without a medic on you, Heavy is not able to act as offense, and should serve as more of a mobile sentry.
I'd think a good rule of thumb for any class is to stay out of the sightlines of snipers. Except for snipers. Snipers sniping other snipers makes for snipers that aren't busy trying to snipe me.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 19, 2015, 11:15:30 pm
Buffalo steak sandvich + fists of steal. Minigun choice is irrelevant. Who cares if they're minicriting? Who cares if they're critting? Show them what your fists are made of!
Hint: its steel. GRU also works for this, if you can accomplish the difficult but possible task of being stealthy as Heavy
Post by: hops on July 20, 2015, 01:21:54 am
Soldiers can sort of spam rockets at the sniper and then run away really fast. Of course, the sniper still could take a shot at you, but if you time it right you'll just lose 150 HP and the sniper will get gibbed by the rockets he chose to ignore.Heavy... is frustrating?
I'm a Sniper main and really I haven't read any Heavy guides, but when I go Heavy on Defense I almost never die if I don't walk into open areas and spycheck often.
What Heavies don't seem to get is that any competent Sniper can and /will/ kill you if you stay in his line of sight long enough for him to charge his shot. Without a medic on you, Heavy is not able to act as offense, and should serve as more of a mobile sentry.
I'd think a good rule of thumb for any class is to stay out of the sightlines of snipers. Except for snipers. Snipers sniping other snipers makes for snipers that aren't busy trying to snipe me.
Post by: miauw62 on July 20, 2015, 04:52:58 am
Also, sandvich is pretty good. Just fall back a little and heal up, it doesn't take long and it's hard to out-danage the healing for some classes.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 20, 2015, 01:13:55 pm
Actual serious heavy advice: bring the sandvich, bring the stock minigun (highest damage that isn't impractical and doesn't needlessly light you on fire), and fight at close range. Most people don't realize this, but heavy isn't supposed to spam people at long range. It "works" in the sense that if they stick around they'll die eventually, but it accomplishes very little and leaves you needlessly vulnerable to snipers. Where heavy really shines is at close range where not only does the normal damage ramp-up apply, but almost all of your "cone" of fire is hitting the enemy. Heavy is by far the most damaging class in the game in this situation, bar edge cases like backstabbing spies. In most cases if you're spun up and next to an enemy, its not a fight, because you've already won and its all over but the screaming.
Post by: Descan on July 20, 2015, 01:23:29 pm
Pheasants.
Post by: Spehss _ on July 20, 2015, 01:28:27 pm
heavy fighting at close range
I thought that was common sense not worth bringing up. Heavy has insane DPS at close range. All the fighter classes are better fighting up close than far away, except sniper. You get the most damage per shot, projectiles have shorter travel and therefore are easier to land direct hits, etc. Only downside is the enemy is more likely to hit you too.
Post by: miauw62 on July 20, 2015, 01:37:13 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 20, 2015, 01:53:47 pm
Pyro actually has the least damaging weapon for a primary of any power class at around 150 dps point blank. Phlog juice crits triples that to around 415 dps (since it has a damage penalty attached as well) but it still doesn't stack up to the ordinary damage a heavy is puttin out normally. The pyro's shotgun secondary actually has higher point blank dps if you land all your shots dead on, dealing 180 in two shots in about 1 second.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 20, 2015, 02:22:46 pm
Scouts and Medics can escape easier. Pyros will just airblast and leave. Soldiers and Demos will try to outdamage you and probably succeed.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 20, 2015, 03:15:22 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 20, 2015, 03:24:11 pm
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on July 20, 2015, 04:47:03 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on July 20, 2015, 05:57:54 pm
At least, most of the spies I fight...
Post by: Calidovi on July 20, 2015, 07:46:04 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on July 20, 2015, 08:00:00 pm
Pyro, in my experience, excels in psychological combat. When you torch someone, you damage them initially and give them 10 seconds to panic and hope that afterburn doesn't kill them as they look for medkits. This has amazing potential to minimize the effect of a push, though still not as much on an effect as outrightly killing the opponents.A single medic on the team would put a stop to the whole panicking medkit thing in seconds.
Post by: Calidovi on July 20, 2015, 08:05:26 pm
Pyro, in my experience, excels in psychological combat. When you torch someone, you damage them initially and give them 10 seconds to panic and hope that afterburn doesn't kill them as they look for medkits. This has amazing potential to minimize the effect of a push, though still not as much on an effect as outrightly killing the opponents.A single medic on the team would put a stop to the whole panicking medkit thing in seconds.
That Medic is still trying to heal every player while the team in general struggles, so, while the pyro may not be effective, his role is vaguely understandable.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 20, 2015, 08:23:28 pm
Pyro, in my experience, excels in psychological combat. When you torch someone, you damage them initially and give them 10 seconds to panic and hope that afterburn doesn't kill them as they look for medkits. This has amazing potential to minimize the effect of a push, though still not as much on an effect as outrightly killing the opponents.A single medic on the team would put a stop to the whole panicking medkit thing in seconds.
That Medic is still trying to heal every player while the team in general struggles, so, while the pyro may not be effective, his role is vaguely understandable.
I see afterburn as a way to burn resources. Available health packs are one, but also possibly jar weapons and maybe even a sandvich.
That being said, it is still rarely lethal, albeit easy to apply.
Post by: Calidovi on July 20, 2015, 08:35:34 pm
Pyro, in my experience, excels in psychological combat. When you torch someone, you damage them initially and give them 10 seconds to panic and hope that afterburn doesn't kill them as they look for medkits. This has amazing potential to minimize the effect of a push, though still not as much on an effect as outrightly killing the opponents.A single medic on the team would put a stop to the whole panicking medkit thing in seconds.
That Medic is still trying to heal every player while the team in general struggles, so, while the pyro may not be effective, his role is vaguely understandable.
I see afterburn as a way to burn resources. Available health packs are one, but also possibly jar weapons and maybe even a sandvich.
That being said, it is still rarely lethal, albeit easy to apply.
Right. I don't see afterburn as being a direct punishment.
Post by: Reudh on July 20, 2015, 10:58:26 pm
Also remember you have a sandvich for heals. The Tomigruvich playstyle is alive and well with the Gun Mettle Update, obviously just needing the Tomislav, sandvich, and Gloves of running urgently. It's a very self-sufficient heavy playstyle useful in pubs.
I love this. This is easily my go-to Heavy loadout, sometimes swapping out for Natascha due to its slowdown + 20% damage reduction
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 20, 2015, 11:11:28 pm
I thought that was common sense not worth bringing up.With TF2 I never assume what is and isn't common sense. Anything, up to and including how to move (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v30L7L35VOw), is in question.
Post by: miauw62 on July 21, 2015, 06:13:30 am
That said, pyro hard-counters pyro in this case, and dispensers are also a thing.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 21, 2015, 07:24:19 am
I thought that was common sense not worth bringing up.With TF2 I never assume what is and isn't common sense. Anything, up to and including how to move (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v30L7L35VOw), is in question.
You're 100% right there! It's very easy to size up the experience and skill of a player just by watching them walk and move around. Good players have trained themselves to always be moving erratically, every touch of the WASD has purpose, and nothing is wasted. New players on the other hand are freqently holding still or moving in straight lines, are often confused and unsure of what to do or where to go, and aren't mindful of their environment; leading to funny moments where they walk into the insta-gib sawblades or off a death cliff.
There's also other benign skills that prove vitally important that you'd normally never think about:
Awareness: Probably 80% of the 'real' skill of TF2 just comes from awareness. Keeping your eyes and ears open at all times to gain a full grasp of what's happening around you. You won't be caught off guard nearly as often, you'll catch others off guard! You'll be mindful of good opportunities and where both safety and danger is.
Listening: This just ties into awareness, but I just want to mention that TF2 confers SO MUCH information through audio, it's nuts. If you really listen and pay attention, you can hear nearby players footsteps, and it's possible to track invisible spies this way. All classes have unique grunts and screams for whatever, so you can get a good idea of if they've been hit and are hurt before even looking at them. If you hear "I'm movin this" you know it's time to rush up and whoop an engineer's ass while he's carrying his sentry (or you might get unlucky and he was carrying his dispenser the whole time). Additionally, while heavy's slow movement speed is his 1# weakness, his 2# weakness is his minigun, because while it's the strongest weapon in the game by far, it is also the NOISIEST. When you're revved up, the whirring and firing noise drowns out other nearby noises, so not only are you probably being tunnel visioned trying to shoot something, but your ears are being covered up as well! It's another thing that makes it easy for spies to just decloak behind you, because otherwise they'd be heard out. Having a good set of headphones is a must in this game, a must must must.
Discipline: This is a very dire and serious trait to talk about when discussing a videogame, but TF2 demands it so often and so severely that it can't be ignored. When firing a weapon like a rocket launcher, it is VERY tempting to just spam at people's feet and hope for the best. When using a weapon like the SMG or Pistol, it's very tempting to just spam into someone's general direction and hope for the best. When you're caught off guard by a pyro and taking damage, it's very tempting to panic and run away. TF2 is a game that requires "Hard Decisiveness", in that in a split second you have to decided what the best course of action is, and then stick to it, not just what your emotions tell you is correct. You have to be always mindful of prediction so you can score directs with rockets, always mindful of spread and the location of the crosshair and the enemy so pistol shots hit, and being able to size up an enemy in an instant so you can dedicate yourself to killing them even if you're being rushed down. Someone who is very disciplined will hit more shots because they can wait for a good shot in a stressful situation, will not panic when surprised, and can make hard choices when pressed for time.
Interpersonal Skills: Naturally, in a teamwork-centric game like this, being able to both communicate and cooperate with your team members is of vital importance. As obvious as it is, alot of people don't have interpersonal skills, they are deliberately nasty and stubborn. A bad attitude holds them back when oftentimes the key to success is found in being able to cooperate with those around you.
Thanks for reading my impromptu powerpoint presentation, have a nice day now.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 21, 2015, 07:52:35 am
-snip-
I agree with you on every point, but more important than these skills is the ability to combine them into Game Sense, to know why to do things in addition to how.
A good spy can destroy a sentry covering a point and capture it. A great spy coordinates with a friendly demoman to sneakily capture the point while he blasts the sentry. A good scout can kill a heavy+medic combo. A great scout distracts them while a friendly spy stabs them. A good engineer can set up a sentry to completely shut down an area. A great engineer builds a teleporter so that area doesn't need to be shut down.
Knowing what you don't need to do is good for knowing what you do need to do. Support your team and it will support you.
Post by: Calidovi on July 21, 2015, 08:55:46 am
-snip-
I agree with you on every point, but more important than these skills is the ability to combine them into Game Sense, to know why to do things in addition to how.
A good spy can destroy a sentry covering a point and capture it. A great spy coordinates with a friendly demoman to sneakily capture the point while he blasts the sentry. A good scout can kill a heavy+medic combo. A great scout distracts them while a friendly spy stabs them. A good engineer can set up a sentry to completely shut down an area. A great engineer builds a teleporter so that area doesn't need to be shut down.
Knowing what you don't need to do is good for knowing what you do need to do. Support your team and it will support you.
So are you suggesting that gamesense == teamwork? Because if so, I have a long rant about that that I'm not too keen to share.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 21, 2015, 09:38:02 am
Post by: hops on July 21, 2015, 11:29:54 am
Post by: Calidovi on July 21, 2015, 11:38:43 am
Nothing is funnier than Hadouken-ing snipers. So many snipers spend their time scoped in it's hilarious. You can easily tell who's a CS:GO player from that, too. Your average CS:GO player in TF2 seems unaware of their ability to move, even though they can fuck your shit up if they see you.
Even going from CS to Fistful of Frags is difficult enough for me. I can't imagine trying to become once-more adept at TF2's aiming.
Post by: Spehss _ on July 21, 2015, 11:54:30 am
Post by: Calidovi on July 21, 2015, 12:01:46 pm
I thought CS players were all about running with knives out and quick scoping and shit.
I'll admit, CS looks very juvenile when you look at it from an outside perspective and don't really understand it. But then you try it, you get into it, you win some and you lose some, and then you understand it. It's a tough game. Perhaps not as mechanically intensive, but you have to work together to win in the higher levels.
Post by: Spehss _ on July 21, 2015, 12:11:07 pm
I thought CS players were all about running with knives out and quick scoping and shit.
I'll admit, CS looks very juvenile when you look at it from an outside perspective and don't really understand it. But then you try it, you get into it, you win some and you lose some, and then you understand it. It's a tough game. Perhaps not as mechanically intensive, but you have to work together to win in the higher levels.
I was responding to
Post by: Calidovi on July 21, 2015, 12:19:39 pm
I thought CS players were all about running with knives out and quick scoping and shit.
I'll admit, CS looks very juvenile when you look at it from an outside perspective and don't really understand it. But then you try it, you get into it, you win some and you lose some, and then you understand it. It's a tough game. Perhaps not as mechanically intensive, but you have to work together to win in the higher levels.
I was responding toObjectiveCinder's comment on CS:GO snipers staying scoped and immobile in TF2. Unless I misread and he's saying you can tell who CS:GO players are by who doesn't do that. Staying scoped and immobile seems very adverse to the CS playstyle I know of.
Hardscoping in CS is looked down upon and is not quite useful, but it is true that moving while scoped immensely reduces accuracy with all weapons, especially with rifles.
Post by: Rose on July 21, 2015, 12:23:21 pm
Post by: Calidovi on July 21, 2015, 12:26:57 pm
I don't know about CS:GO, but classic counter strike players that I've seen are always moving around and only scoping long enough to take quick headshots
Right. They stop for the split second they need to scope in and shoot.
Post by: miauw62 on July 21, 2015, 01:11:36 pm
Also, hardscoping isn't THAT good in TF2 either. It's viable, but there's many situations where it's not very desirable. Most classes can be killed by an uncharged headshot in one hit, and you are much more mobile while not scoped. Maybe that just comes from my playstyle as aggressive sniper, I don't like waiting for kills, seeking them out is much more fun :P
E: tbh, I massively enjoy pyro/solly duels when neither gets the jump on the other.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 21, 2015, 01:24:28 pm
But CS:GO is more about tactics, positioning, and teamwork than it is about the tactile skills of aiming when literally every person has an automatic rifle and/or a sniper rifle that one-shots when hitting any part of the body.
Post by: Calidovi on July 21, 2015, 02:47:26 pm
The aiming requirement in TF2 is much higher than in CS:GO. A good sniper in TF2 will be a great sniper in CS:GO, and a great sniper in TF2 is Godlike in CS:GO.
But CS:GO is more about tactics, positioning, and teamwork than it is about the tactile skills of aiming when literally every person has an automatic rifle and/or a sniper rifle that one-shots when hitting any part of the body.
The issue with CS:GO is that missing a sniper shot is an issue when using the more powerful bolt-actions, as the enemy can easily retaliate while you're putting the next bullet in the chamber. If you miss a shot as a TF2 sniper at long-range, you'll probably be fine because the none of the other 8 classes have that same long-range power as the Sniper. In CS, a missed shot whittles down your chances of surviving an encounter because of how hard your enemy can 'soundwhore' in the game, allowing them to more easily track you down even if you're at a distance.
Post by: hops on July 22, 2015, 12:38:04 am
In one of Muselk's, I think, favorite sayings: Sentries get kills, but teleporters win games.Some people seem to be unaware of the fact that the enemy can easily tell where you are aiming if you are hardscoping on a chokepoint, and that as a *support* class you don't really have to always shoot to kill. There's really no point in headshotting a medic who is getting rushed by your team, for example. He's too fast to reliably hit with headshots anyways.
Also, hardscoping isn't THAT good in TF2 either. It's viable, but there's many situations where it's not very desirable. Most classes can be killed by an uncharged headshot in one hit, and you are much more mobile while not scoped. Maybe that just comes from my playstyle as aggressive sniper, I don't like waiting for kills, seeking them out is much more fun :P
E: tbh, I massively enjoy pyro/solly duels when neither gets the jump on the other.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 24, 2015, 07:07:00 am
Reddit source:
http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3effpb/nospread_and_psilent_silent_aim_have_been_patched/
This is an excellent win for actual skill everywhere. Valve is prepping TF2 for Matchmaking and they're cleaning house of all the hackers that are poisoning the game for everyone else. They still need to eliminate the real big ones, those being aimbot and triggerbots, but this is an awesome start.
Post by: Iceblaster on July 24, 2015, 11:08:19 am
The key price dropped to 15.77 ref in the past week or so. I am now worth about 6 keys.
Post by: Descan on July 24, 2015, 11:30:31 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 24, 2015, 11:58:01 am
Yesterday's patch has quietly eliminated two hacks: Nospread and silent aim.This is beyond amazing
Reddit source:
http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3effpb/nospread_and_psilent_silent_aim_have_been_patched/
This is an excellent win for actual skill everywhere. Valve is prepping TF2 for Matchmaking and they're cleaning house of all the hackers that are poisoning the game for everyone else. They still need to eliminate the real big ones, those being aimbot and triggerbots, but this is an awesome start.
Post by: Iceblaster on July 24, 2015, 01:29:58 pm
/me buys Iceblaster, hups him into my basement.
b-but basements are dark and scary
Seeing as i can't do much TF2, I've decided to look at trading and such. Because I have a valuable backpack, relatively speaking :P
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 24, 2015, 03:11:38 pm
Yesterday's patch has quietly eliminated two hacks: Nospread and silent aim.
http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3effpb/nospread_and_psilent_silent_aim_have_been_patched/
A bit further down some of the comments show lmaobox has already been updated and works again. So pretty neat for the 15 hours it lasted, I guess. What is 'silent aim' anyway? Just an aimbot?
It's practically impossible to keep up with 3rd party hacks like this, especially with TF2's dwindling resources, and I'm surprised Valve even bothered. I just wish I could still play with 120 FOV, but no, that's also considered cheating.
Post by: Putnam on July 24, 2015, 03:20:13 pm
Post by: hops on July 24, 2015, 09:45:20 pm
Post by: Putnam on July 24, 2015, 10:08:34 pm
I guess console-ish auto aim also includes auto-tracking, which is a different hack AFAIK
Post by: miauw62 on July 26, 2015, 01:55:40 am
E:
I have to get reflect kills for a pyro contract, but apparently it works ONLY for normal solly rockets. pills/dh rockets/sentry rockets/etc dont seem to work :/
Post by: UXLZ on July 27, 2015, 10:08:23 pm
Post by: hops on July 27, 2015, 10:14:13 pm
Post by: UXLZ on July 27, 2015, 10:16:20 pm
Also, what do you mean "4 months more"? Due to personal reasons, or are they shutting the server down?
Post by: hops on July 27, 2015, 10:19:34 pm
Post by: UXLZ on July 27, 2015, 10:22:07 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 01, 2015, 03:46:09 am
Tide turner + ali baba wee booties or reskin + eyelander or reskin is hilariously fucking powerful once you get going. Pick off a few spies or snipers until you're at 4 heads and just start rollin'.
I managed to get 23 heads on badwater, this is hilarious.
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 02, 2015, 12:32:43 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 02, 2015, 10:04:23 am
I think that's also because of that effect where if one weapon can't crit, the next one that can will gain a bonus to crit chances.What do you mean? I get no random crits at all with my Nessie's Nine Iron.
Because I used the exact same loadout with the pain train, and it seems to crit all the time.
I usually throw the Half-Zatoichi in my demoknight loadout, and infrequently use the Chargin' Targe for the resistances, instead of the Turner. Who cares if I can't switch weapons, if I only have one?Yeah, I sometimes use the half-zaitochi too, it's probably the trolliest demo sword, because remember all that damage you did to me? how you almost got me to two health? IT DOESNT MATTER NOW AHAHAHAHA *charges away into the sunset*
Post by: Descan on August 02, 2015, 12:02:06 pm
/me is better than you peasants.
:D
Post by: LASD on August 03, 2015, 03:29:05 am
/me usually plays default everyclass.
/me is better than you peasants.
:D
Seems like Valve had the same idea as all the weapon skin weapons are the defaults. Unless the next ones will be for the sidegrades.
Did I mention I found a super freaking sweet-looking Scattergun?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on August 03, 2015, 08:42:55 am
/me usually plays default everyclass.I PLAY LITERALLY EVERY CLASS BUT FUCKING SOLDIER
/me is better than you peasants.
:D
GAME STOP GIVING ME SOLDIERLOOT
NNOOOOO
Post by: Spehss _ on August 03, 2015, 09:28:40 am
I PLAY LITERALLY EVERY CLASS BUT FUCKING SOLDIERSolution, play soldier. Pway a weal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI29xEnfTzI) cwass.
GAME STOP GIVING ME SOLDIERLOOT
NNOOOOO
Then switch to demoman and play the best class.
Post by: miauw62 on August 03, 2015, 09:48:53 am
E:
I can't even do a normal "long" jump properly without walking backwards.
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on August 03, 2015, 10:03:59 am
you misspelled pyroI PLAY LITERALLY EVERY CLASS BUT FUCKING SOLDIERSolution, play soldier. Pway a weal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI29xEnfTzI) cwass.
GAME STOP GIVING ME SOLDIERLOOT
NNOOOOO
Then switch to demoman and play the best class.
Post by: Spehss _ on August 03, 2015, 10:15:27 am
you misspelled pyrobruh did you even watch the video
pyro is cool and all but blowing people up is totally more funner than setting people on fire
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on August 03, 2015, 10:23:12 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 03, 2015, 10:25:05 am
E:
Running market gardener + rj + mantreads on hightower, i get kills but mostly from snipers and the mantreads, hardly ever crits ;-;
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 03, 2015, 02:42:48 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on August 03, 2015, 02:48:22 pm
Solution: the Reserve Shooter. Even if you can't jump well, nobody else gets to either.But then you have to be good at aiming.
Post by: hops on August 03, 2015, 03:12:48 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 03, 2015, 03:16:26 pm
(i have a strange named reserve shooter :X)
Post by: Spehss _ on August 03, 2015, 03:18:54 pm
Shotguns are really easy to aim with though.I guess I'm bad at hitscan weapons in TF2. >.> It's why I prefer weapons with projectiles. Don't need to keep the crosshair exactly aligned with your target to hit them.
Maybe I need to improve my mouse sensitivity in TF2. I have no problems with hitscan weapons in games like Brutal Doom or Borderlands, but those have different settings than TF2.
Post by: hops on August 03, 2015, 03:26:26 pm
Post by: Calidovi on August 03, 2015, 08:00:17 pm
yeah but then you get scolded for using a crutch :x
Shotgun is not a crutch. Methinks that Phlog is more of a crutch, but honestly I'm not sure on the exact definition.
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on August 03, 2015, 08:08:27 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 03, 2015, 08:14:53 pm
Post by: Calidovi on August 03, 2015, 08:18:41 pm
boi whatchu say about phlog
Exactly what I say about the Terran Republic.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 03, 2015, 08:19:03 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 03, 2015, 08:24:51 pm
boi whatchu say about TRboi whatchu say about phlog
Exactly what I say about the Terran Republic.
Post by: hops on August 03, 2015, 08:33:35 pm
Although airshits is usually seen as a more advanced way of dealing with most airborne enemies, since their trajectory is predictable and projectiles excel in that.
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on August 03, 2015, 08:33:47 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on August 03, 2015, 08:57:02 pm
Although airshits is usually seen as a more advanced way of dealing with most airborne enemies, since their trajectory is predictable and projectiles excel in that.
airshits
*Propane Nightmares plays in the background*
Post by: Iceblaster on August 04, 2015, 01:39:14 am
:3
Post by: hops on August 04, 2015, 01:59:24 am
It scares me.
totally not scared by loud noises
Sometimes you just gotta airshit.Although airshits is usually seen as a more advanced way of dealing with most airborne enemies, since their trajectory is predictable and projectiles excel in that.airshits
*Propane Nightmares plays in the background*
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 04, 2015, 02:28:35 am
"What's that, Pyro, want to airblast my rockets? Ha, can't reflect pellets! Charge at me? Psych, I'm actually just going to blast you with rockets, maybe launch you so I can go back to the shotgun!"
For some reason, regardless of skill level, they never learn to counter this tactic, even if I dominate them with it. And if they try to counter it, I just blast them with rockets or bullets while they're distracted with the legwork required.
Post by: miauw62 on August 04, 2015, 05:35:42 am
(which i dont use, but :x)
E:
I just changed my hitsound to "nice meme"
its hilarious
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 04, 2015, 06:32:52 am
Also, stock Flamethrower for life. The Degreaser is cool, but the damage penalty really hurts when fighting more than one opponent at a time.
Post by: miauw62 on August 04, 2015, 07:02:59 am
E:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgSdBW9njK0
BRB testing this out
E2:
BTW, the ETF2L nations cup is going on. http://www.twitch.tv/blackoutgamingtv/
Post by: Flying Carcass on August 04, 2015, 07:18:24 pm
That was a really superb video! Now I'm all excited to try detonator jumping.
Detonator jumping is a great way for the pyro to flank targets. It makes goldrush, in particular, very fun.
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 14, 2015, 07:07:57 am
The Original thread: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3290743
The Parody thread: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3291339
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 14, 2015, 03:41:40 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 14, 2015, 03:54:59 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2015, 03:55:19 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 14, 2015, 03:57:06 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on August 14, 2015, 04:11:48 pm
"if I let a pyro corner me at melee range there is LITERALLY no counterplay" :PStay out of the pyro's sightline to counter pyros.
Like staying out of the sniper's sightline to counter snipers. Or staying out of sentry sightlines to counter sentries. Or staying out of demoman blast range to counter demos.
Post by: miauw62 on August 14, 2015, 04:37:37 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2015, 04:39:02 pm
it's riot's fault that people believe that
they made their game skillshot-heavy, which is fine, then made sure their playerbase knew that every other game had Less Skill Involved because there was No Counterplay because you Can't Dodge Skillshots, which is not really fine
so anything undodgable is automatically derided with "no counterplay" at this point
Post by: Egan_BW on August 14, 2015, 04:41:51 pm
checkmate atheists [/LSPTalk]
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 14, 2015, 04:50:49 pm
flaregun counters snipers
checkmate atheists [/LSPTalk]
Pyro burns Dessert Chef's brownies, resulting in bad yelp reviews.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 14, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
people get mad when i slander the great and powerful riot games butThat's why
it's riot's fault that people believe that
they made their game skillshot-heavy, which is fine, then made sure their playerbase knew that every other game had Less Skill Involved because there was No Counterplay because you Can't Dodge Skillshots, which is not really fine
so anything undodgable is automatically derided with "no counterplay" at this point
dodging is not counterplay, except maybe triviallyThat's why you made this comment a month and a half ago
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2015, 05:00:23 pm
i try not to bring riot into it unless necessary because people get pissy at how pissy i am about it
and everyone gets covered in the piss and it's gross and mini-crits happen
i mean nothing REALLY bad has happened yet and i try to keep it that way
Post by: Egan_BW on August 14, 2015, 05:05:04 pm
Praise GabeN.
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2015, 05:07:31 pm
it's an improvement, but is it really that much of one?
hell, considering that pretty much all of their recent communication with the gaming community has been pretty bad (see: paid mods), their understanding that not saying anything at all is better than saying bad things is probably their biggest saving grace in comparison
(and yeah, they definitely know that; Robin Walker did a presentation on it)
Post by: miauw62 on August 14, 2015, 05:09:55 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 14, 2015, 05:19:01 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2015, 05:21:26 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on August 14, 2015, 05:22:39 pm
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2015, 05:23:12 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 14, 2015, 05:30:19 pm
Dota 2 already runs on that, but I think it's fairly heavily modified already.
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2015, 05:32:33 pm
CS:GO actually gets more than #3-10 the same way, huh.
Post by: miauw62 on August 14, 2015, 05:34:22 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 14, 2015, 05:43:07 pm
I'm surprised Garry's Mod is so high on the list. I mean I know people liked it I just assumed it was obscure. Also surprised to see Civ 5 because even though its a good game a lot of people on the internet complain about it and it came out a while ago. Then again a lot of people on the internet complain about newcom...
Post by: Putnam on August 14, 2015, 05:47:37 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on August 14, 2015, 05:49:44 pm
Skyrim's above GTAV.Unsurprising, considering the sheer masses of mods for Skyrim. Don't think GTAV can compare.
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 14, 2015, 05:50:38 pm
You generally want to be IN waiter sightlines, if you want your plates to be taken away after you've finished in a reasonable span of time.
Nah, I hide under my chair, or switch tables to be less predictable. If they do catch a glimpse, I have 260 milliseconds to lob a ketchup bottle at them.
Been playing a lot of soldier lately, and good god, the airstrike is broken. It's obnoxious enough to watch people float around like dinguses with the base jumper and vomit rockets everywhere, but even without using the fire rate gimmick, it feels like a straight upgrade. I decided to try it out, keeping gunboats on, and it really feels like cheating to have twice the ammo loaded as anything else. Level 3 sentry being furiously smacked by its engineer? You can just keep firing rockets. Jump on a dumb heavy, normally worried about about only having 3 rockets to do 300 damage? Nope, you have 7.
When I first saw Valve buffing it, I wrote it off as beggar's bazooka 2.0, only somehow less difficult to use, but I'm getting the horrifying feeling that it's my dreamboat. Taking even less damage from rocket jumping, being able to make something happen out of badly timed pub ubers (and good god the kritskrieg is gnarly), and having loads of ammo even after multiple jumps... it's bananas really. Still, I felt like such a scumbag using it, and I really can't wait for valve to nerf it. People using it with the base jumper is really starting to get my goat (they're obviously easy targets, but good luck seeing people looking upward in a pub), but that it's also better than default without it... not sure what Valve was thinking, they should've removed the extra ammo mechanic.
Post by: miauw62 on August 14, 2015, 05:52:29 pm
Making a game is different from understanding what makes it great, though (see: what happened to Minecraft)
I wonder where FO4 will place on the list...
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 14, 2015, 09:36:16 pm
You generally want to be IN waiter sightlines, if you want your plates to be taken away after you've finished in a reasonable span of time.
Nah, I hide under my chair, or switch tables to be less predictable. If they do catch a glimpse, I have 260 milliseconds to lob a ketchup bottle at them.
Been playing a lot of soldier lately, and good god, the airstrike is broken. It's obnoxious enough to watch people float around like dinguses with the base jumper and vomit rockets everywhere, but even without using the fire rate gimmick, it feels like a straight upgrade. I decided to try it out, keeping gunboats on, and it really feels like cheating to have twice the ammo loaded as anything else. Level 3 sentry being furiously smacked by its engineer? You can just keep firing rockets. Jump on a dumb heavy, normally worried about about only having 3 rockets to do 300 damage? Nope, you have 7.
When I first saw Valve buffing it, I wrote it off as beggar's bazooka 2.0, only somehow less difficult to use, but I'm getting the horrifying feeling that it's my dreamboat. Taking even less damage from rocket jumping, being able to make something happen out of badly timed pub ubers (and good god the kritskrieg is gnarly), and having loads of ammo even after multiple jumps... it's bananas really. Still, I felt like such a scumbag using it, and I really can't wait for valve to nerf it. People using it with the base jumper is really starting to get my goat (they're obviously easy targets, but good luck seeing people looking upward in a pub), but that it's also better than default without it... not sure what Valve was thinking, they should've removed the extra ammo mechanic.
I love the air strike + Parachute combo... I mean, not PLAYING it, I main the DH so duck hunting them equals tons of easy airshots.
Post by: Reudh on August 14, 2015, 10:42:02 pm
Of course, in pubs... how many top tier snipers and direct hit soldiers are about?
Speaking of which, I was medic buddying while we waited for the heavy to make his way back to the centre of the map on ctf_well. Soldier jumped in to try and bomb the medic, got one rocket off, missed, and on reflex i hit M2. I reflected his direct hit rocket straight back into him, minicritting him for 142, which coupled with the self damage from the jump and the fall damage from being knocked so far away, he died. I stopped for a second and just sorta gawked at the spectacle that had just occurred, and the medic jumped up and down and hammered Z+2. What a glorious incident.
Post by: Spehss _ on August 14, 2015, 10:50:33 pm
The Air Strike is a little broken if there's no decent direct hit soldiers or snipers about. An airstrike / base jumper soldier is at pretty serious risk of being shot out of the sky by either if they spend more than a few seconds floating.Don't forget demomen. Pipes can airshot too.
Of course, in pubs... how many top tier snipers and direct hit soldiers are about?
...could probably airshot with stickies too. Would be hellaciously more difficult than pipes though.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 14, 2015, 11:02:25 pm
The Air Strike is a little broken if there's no decent direct hit soldiers or snipers about. An airstrike / base jumper soldier is at pretty serious risk of being shot out of the sky by either if they spend more than a few seconds floating.Don't forget demomen. Pipes can airshot too.
Of course, in pubs... how many top tier snipers and direct hit soldiers are about?
...could probably airshot with stickies too. Would be hellaciously more difficult than pipes though.
Dub Donks
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 14, 2015, 11:04:36 pm
The Air Strike is a little broken if there's no decent direct hit soldiers or snipers about. An airstrike / base jumper soldier is at pretty serious risk of being shot out of the sky by either if they spend more than a few seconds floating.
Of course, in pubs... how many top tier snipers and direct hit soldiers are about?
Speaking of which, I was medic buddying while we waited for the heavy to make his way back to the centre of the map on ctf_well. Soldier jumped in to try and bomb the medic, got one rocket off, missed, and on reflex i hit M2. I reflected his direct hit rocket straight back into him, minicritting him for 142, which coupled with the self damage from the jump and the fall damage from being knocked so far away, he died. I stopped for a second and just sorta gawked at the spectacle that had just occurred, and the medic jumped up and down and hammered Z+2. What a glorious incident.
Reflect airshots are just the best feeling in the world. (and not to be a pedant, but minicrit direct hit rockets deal 152 damage minimum, maximum is 189 {unless you were talking about a 'direct' 'hit' from a regular rocket, which definitely can deal 142 at a specific range})
I remember one of the few times I picked up stock pyro in order to help a bud complete a contract, I reflect a rocket, pop a soldier into the air, reflect his next rocket for the reflect airshot. Please suck it SiN frag videos.
Post by: Spehss _ on August 14, 2015, 11:05:04 pm
Dub DonksThose are a type of pipe projectile. Admittedly getting dubba donks is also harder than just straight direct hits with pipes, but still.
Post by: Reudh on August 15, 2015, 12:36:31 am
The Air Strike is a little broken if there's no decent direct hit soldiers or snipers about. An airstrike / base jumper soldier is at pretty serious risk of being shot out of the sky by either if they spend more than a few seconds floating.
Of course, in pubs... how many top tier snipers and direct hit soldiers are about?
Speaking of which, I was medic buddying while we waited for the heavy to make his way back to the centre of the map on ctf_well. Soldier jumped in to try and bomb the medic, got one rocket off, missed, and on reflex i hit M2. I reflected his direct hit rocket straight back into him, minicritting him for 142, which coupled with the self damage from the jump and the fall damage from being knocked so far away, he died. I stopped for a second and just sorta gawked at the spectacle that had just occurred, and the medic jumped up and down and hammered Z+2. What a glorious incident.
Reflect airshots are just the best feeling in the world. (and not to be a pedant, but minicrit direct hit rockets deal 152 damage minimum, maximum is 189 {unless you were talking about a 'direct' 'hit' from a regular rocket, which definitely can deal 142 at a specific range})
I remember one of the few times I picked up stock pyro in order to help a bud complete a contract, I reflect a rocket, pop a soldier into the air, reflect his next rocket for the reflect airshot. Please suck it SiN frag videos.
Oh. It definitely seemed fast.
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 15, 2015, 01:51:59 am
https://youtube.com/watch?&v=d44os2dUM_A
My impression is that he seems sincere, but we'll have to see if he truly follows through on it, especially since LMAOBOX is still available for download.
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 15, 2015, 02:16:50 am
Edit: Oh, wait, it this the same guy? Like, as this (https://www.youtube.com/user/tomkilyki)?
Edit2.0: Nope, just some guy who makes videos.
Post by: miauw62 on August 15, 2015, 04:01:19 am
I just wish valve servers had a good way to record demos, but P-rec doesn't really work since you have to enable it beforehand.
Also, whenever I play soldier, which isn't often, I almost always play dh soldier. I usually do it when there's a sentry somewhere that's hard to hit with pipes or stickies, but yesterday I got fifteen kills and nine assists without a single death with it on frontier second (the really shitty part where the cart blocks your path while you're pushing it up, giving red free potshots at you)
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 15, 2015, 04:28:24 am
He's not the owner or the person who writes the software, he just uses it (or rather a variant of it). It's a just guy who makes videos deciding to make different videos, so he can stream on twitch.
Edit: Oh, wait, it this the same guy? Like, as this (https://www.youtube.com/user/tomkilyki)?
Edit2.0: Nope, just some guy who makes videos.
My bad, I thought it was THE guy. I'm significantly less impressed now.
Post by: Descan on August 15, 2015, 12:59:39 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on August 15, 2015, 01:00:49 pm
Can't you record your last life when you die?On some servers, not all servers.
Post by: miauw62 on August 16, 2015, 04:15:47 am
E:
Also, I'm a single contract away from a silver campaign coin. I've been obsessively completing contracts with full bonus.
Post by: Calidovi on August 16, 2015, 03:42:14 pm
I'd just like to note that somebody made an orchestral version of the Rocket Jump Waltz (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLVOCWzX3a0).
Just listened to that yesterday, a pretty well done work.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 18, 2015, 07:23:20 pm
EDIT: It's incredibly fun, until there's an engineer.
EDITEDIT: Well, people figured out you can delete the ball with a Short Circuit. You can only reset the ball by waiting for the end of the match (10 mins or such), or by voting Team Scramble (only available every 15 minutes). Griefers are having the time of their life.
EDITEDITEDIT: Sudden Death mode for tiebreakers. Idlers need to be votekicked.
Post by: miauw62 on August 19, 2015, 03:17:26 am
E:
Woo, silver campaign coin! My obsessive full-bonus completing of all contracts is finally sort of paying off maybe!
E2:
man, i feel like this new mode could be loads of fun.
there's no way to know, though, since the teams consist of 12 engies on both sides.
E3:
I have found an alternate name for this map: pass_sightlines
E4:
Controlling all of mid with a single lvl3 sentry in a hidden corner is pretty funny, though.
E5:
Alright, its just way too fun.
E6:
This is the most fun ive had in TF2 in a long time.
Post by: PTTG?? on August 24, 2015, 02:45:16 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 24, 2015, 02:57:07 pm
Just reached 7500 kills on my ft <3
Love that thing, I really hope Valve makes it viable.
Post by: Spehss _ on August 24, 2015, 04:32:05 pm
EEEEEFt? Flamethrower? Pretty sure it's already viable. :p
Just reached 7500 kills on my ft <3
Love that thing, I really hope Valve makes it viable.
Post by: Graknorke on August 24, 2015, 05:06:11 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 24, 2015, 06:09:33 pm
And honestly, I see the appeal of the degreaser, faster switch allows you to harass sollies and demos much more safely.
Post by: Reudh on August 24, 2015, 06:24:48 pm
EEEEEFt? Flamethrower? Pretty sure it's already viable. :p
Just reached 7500 kills on my ft <3
Love that thing, I really hope Valve makes it viable.
Let's compare it to the degreaser, if degreaser was stock and stock wasn't.
Old stock flamethrower vs degreaser:
-65% weapon switch speed
+10% damage bonus
+25% afterburn damage bonus
That sounds kind of weak for the upsides it has over the degreaser, with a whopping penalty for slightly higher damage and afterburn, plus the Degreaser's damage penalty doesn't really affect it overly much.
I've been trying to use stock flamethrower and stock shotgun. It's proving quite fun!
Post by: miauw62 on August 24, 2015, 06:42:49 pm
I can use flare gun pretty decently, I just find shotty and especially reserve shooter (which is broken and sadly banned in comp) very fun to use. I just love the shotty, but rescue ranger and flare gun are trying to lure me away. Detonator jumps seem fun, but I can't get the hang of blast jumping with any class (I guess my sentry jumps aren't bad and I actually feel like I can improve there, but there's a reason "engie rollout" doesn't mean the same thing as "soldier rollout" :P)
E: Also i55 and DeutschLAN soon, get hype!
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 24, 2015, 06:51:18 pm
If it does get nerfed then the stock flamethrower would be a likely replacement in highlander, and you may just get to bask in the glory of that moderate kill count in an environment where most of the players have cl_spec_carrieditems 0 in their autoexec.
Post by: miauw62 on August 24, 2015, 07:02:20 pm
Seriously, is there any reason to take that tone?
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 24, 2015, 07:17:28 pm
Post by: Spehss _ on August 24, 2015, 08:18:45 pm
Post by: miauw62 on August 26, 2015, 06:34:17 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 28, 2015, 07:30:51 am
10 weapons of same grade = 1 weapon of next grade.
the cosmetics seem pretty cool, except there's a chance that you'll unbox a banana.
E:
Also, i55 (Team Fortress 2 6s Cup) is this weekend, and DeutschLAN (first HL-only tf2 tournament) is coming up soon too, so GET HYPE.
Post by: Graknorke on August 28, 2015, 07:42:12 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 28, 2015, 07:43:32 am
now i just need to hope that i actually get enough (ugly) skins to trade them up >.>
backcountry blaster is an ugly-ass fucking skin but it actually looks pretty cool if its battle-scarred.
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 28, 2015, 08:22:06 am
Post by: Reudh on August 28, 2015, 11:46:35 am
Be sure to sell those new crates on the market, they're worth a couple bucks still!
Yeah, I got $2.50USD from one.
Post by: miauw62 on August 28, 2015, 05:16:40 pm
NerdRage and The Last Resort tied 2-2 and Froyo beat Ascent 4-0 so far.
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 28, 2015, 07:01:04 pm
It's a shame TF2 doesn't get the views it used to, especially contrasted to that recent CS:GO tournament.
Post by: miauw62 on August 28, 2015, 07:14:00 pm
Ascent vs Reason wasn't bad either, though,although most of the fighting was on and near last.
It's a shame I won't be able to stay up until 2AM to watch DeutschLAN, though :P
Maybe matchmaking will reinvigorate the TF2 comp scene, especially now they've got a lot of people back into the game via contracts. If they capitalize on that with matchmaking....
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 28, 2015, 07:58:15 pm
The last match there with Ascent and Reason was fun (the Ascent roamer started off with some great plays, and some of the sniping was incredible, like on that medic), but you're right, so much of the match time seemed to be spent with Ascent hopelessly defending last that it was a bit disappointing. Maybe disappointing isn't the right word, looking at how both teams got rolled earlier. It's a shame I'm going to miss so much of the tournament this weekend, but hey, can always watch later.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 29, 2015, 08:24:04 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 29, 2015, 11:04:11 am
Now it's Reason vs Ascent. Again. ON BADLANDS. AGAIN.
e:
WAIT NR BEAT FROYO?
YES
ZEBOSAI > B4NNY I55 BEST DAY OF MY LIFE
E2:
Ascent vs Reason 2: Electric Spirealoo is much better than their first fight so far
E3:
Wow, Granary ended on a VERY tense note.
E4:
HOLY SHIT THAT LAST DEFENSE ON SNAKEWATER HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT THE FUCK HOLY SHIT
E5:
HOLY SHIT
REASON BEAT ASCENT WITH 1 SECOND LEFT
Post by: miauw62 on August 30, 2015, 06:15:38 am
KappaPride EU[R]OPE KappaPride
We may actually get a EU vs EU i55 final.
E:
Also why does Sideshow always look like he's on cocaine
E:
Froyo got the golden cap, we're going to Viaduct!
E:
Inbetween matches, casters are discussing their fiances and pink robes
E:
They're having flippy sniping at the start of the game.
IT WORKS
E:
first map was nice, but they DIDNT BAN VIADUCT FOR SOME REASON and then froyo just rolled
E:
wait i forgot it's best of five its not over
E:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: 10ebbor10 on September 01, 2015, 09:05:30 am
Post by: PTTG?? on September 01, 2015, 11:03:25 am
Post by: miauw62 on September 01, 2015, 01:52:29 pm
Meanwhile, the i55 outro was uploaded: prepare to thump your bible (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDXPsCra1LY&feature=youtu.be)
Post by: Graknorke on September 01, 2015, 02:38:28 pm
And now we have a concrete (Valve leniency notwithstanding) end point too.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on September 11, 2015, 03:33:13 pm
Spoiler: Incoming (click to show/hide)
Post by: miauw62 on September 11, 2015, 05:24:47 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 11, 2015, 06:19:04 pm
Yeah, Valve has thrown all subtlety about the invasion update overboard. All maps I've played today contained "I want to believe" posters.
Plot twist: actually the 'Jesus Take the Wheel' update.
Post by: hops on September 11, 2015, 07:00:05 pm
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on September 11, 2015, 07:01:06 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 11, 2015, 07:01:15 pm
Post by: hops on September 11, 2015, 07:03:51 pm
sd_ufo anyone? The team race to get abducted by the aliens by baiting them with Australium. Then they murder the aliens and steal their tech.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 11, 2015, 07:24:31 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on September 11, 2015, 08:29:56 pm
The sets are cardboard but the weapons and gore are real.
Post by: miauw62 on September 12, 2015, 03:14:35 am
All maps suddenly turn into the interior of a UFO.SD is literally ctf with the little fun and coherence ctf has stripped out.
sd_ufo anyone? The team race to get abducted by the aliens by baiting them with Australium. Then they murder the aliens and steal their tech.
E:
Meanwhile, DeutschLAN has started (http://www.twitch.tv/blackoutgamingtv)! Woo!
Also, Epsilon is coming back (http://www.teamfortress.tv/28760/epsilong-time-no-see)! Get hype, we might have a serious (yuropean!) competitor for Froyo at i58!
E2:
Steel is my favorite hl map simply because of the fucking pit. LANpanda vs Fair Enough saw over thirty pit kills.
Post by: hops on September 12, 2015, 06:55:17 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 06, 2015, 08:33:52 pm
Spoiler: Update (click to show/hide)
It seems ok.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 06, 2015, 08:56:28 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 06, 2015, 09:46:50 pm
It's so bizarre they're releasing it this early in October, and it's just my luck that the update hits while I'm sleeping. I'll have to check it out once I get back from work in the morning.
Post by: miauw62 on October 07, 2015, 04:26:59 am
Y
P
E
not really tho im still more hype for matchmaking
E:
oh and im also apparently on an hl team now
Post by: Reudh on October 07, 2015, 04:57:29 am
In all seriousness, this is no different to End of the Line. Community update, a map or two, cosmetics, and a reskin of existing weapons that are only craftable with custom blueprints, or found in a crate. Some good ideas, but the update seems sparse in comparison to Gun Mettle.
Post by: Jar of Jam on October 07, 2015, 11:31:47 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 07, 2015, 01:56:27 pm
Probe: Messy design. WROOOM WROOOM WROOOM You better get used to hearing that because no matter where you are the ambient noise from the UFO is gonna be loud and distracting.
Byre: You know why the Arena gamemode died? Because it sucked and everyone hated it. It's no exception here, nobody likes dying and then having to wait an indefinite amount of time for a new round.
2fort: To be honest I didn't even play any BooFort, but I don't think I have to to conclude that it's crap.
Watergate: Is this like robot destruction? What's with these liquor bottles we're picking up? What's happening here, why is everything just a cluster♥♥♥♥ everywhere?? WE ARE IN THE BEAM! WE ARE IN THE BEAM! WE ARE IN THE BEAM!
I hate all the new maps. 0/10 for maps, Invasion Update.
There's a running theme between all of the maps that no matter what, there's gonna be irritating UFO noises and distracting ambient sounds all the time, making it hard to concentrate on actually fighting. This is honestly my biggest beef, I just hate having to hear anything outside the players and the Administrator, and this weird announcer shouting about the BEAM quickly got under my nerves.
Post by: miauw62 on October 07, 2015, 02:15:53 pm
i dont like the explosive pumpkin right by spawn 1 -> courtyard, though.
probe isn't too bad except for the part where there's only one medkit that isnt miles away from mid.
watergate is a spin on the sd gamemode, i dont know why anybody made it, sd is a shitty mode, nobody liked it, yet valve decided to make it last years halloween reskin and released another map of it. i just don't know, it's the worst mode ever conceived.
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 07, 2015, 04:15:10 pm
I would say this update's better than end of the line and worse than gun mettle. I crash on connection to the 2fort map, but I haven't seen any horrible bugs yet otherwise. "Oh no, I can't play 2fort, whatever will I do instead!?"
Post by: miauw62 on October 07, 2015, 04:34:47 pm
That said, it's not hard to beat quite a few updates, such as pyro "pyro doesn't even get the most new stuff unless you want to wear an ugly cosmetic" mania.
Post by: hops on October 07, 2015, 04:44:07 pm
H Y P E
Y
P
E
not really tho im still more hype for matchmaking
E:
oh and im also apparently on an hl team now
not really tho im still more hype for matchmaking
hype for matchmaking
matchmaking
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ifzQZ7A04TM
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on October 08, 2015, 12:37:34 pm
Post by: Dorsidwarf on October 08, 2015, 01:00:12 pm
Post by: miauw62 on October 12, 2015, 10:06:40 am
Post by: hops on October 20, 2015, 12:41:07 am
Quote from: miauw62
+Ragnar the Red it's "but hol", the space provides an essential contrast with the packed rest of the sentence and gives the reader a chance to catch their sides before they reach escape velocity.
ayy lmiauw
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 28, 2015, 06:59:25 pm
No changes, just maps and cosmetics.
Post by: PTTG?? on October 28, 2015, 08:51:29 pm
I'm honestly OK with them prioritizing the full game over the seasonal stuff.
Post by: miauw62 on October 29, 2015, 01:51:36 am
E: also, the comic is pretty sweet this year.
Items of halloweens past probably isn't, though.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2015, 02:17:05 am
That comic is gutbustingly funny btw.
I can't wait until Virginia servers stopped being glitched so they actually activate missions!
EDIT: Also there's either a glitch or nondocumented change in that the Flare Gun now only minicrits burning targets. And that the Cuban Bristle Crisis can now be worn by the soldier and engie.
Post by: Shakerag on October 29, 2015, 09:01:43 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 29, 2015, 09:20:59 am
So I'm just getting started with this crazy game. Are there any servers that Bay12ers tend to hang out on?
There's no dedicated Bay12 server, atleast I don't think there is. Your best bet is to just friend people over steam and play games with them in public servers.
Me: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198029099955/
I'll show you the ropes if you have questions, I just regret that I'm asleep during most of America's daylight hours so I don't get to play with non-Russian non-Chinese people as much as I like to.
Post by: miauw62 on October 29, 2015, 10:58:15 am
I'm Operand on steam, same avatar.
also rip in merasmeronis flare gun ;-;7
really though how am i supposed to enjoy scream fortress if i can't hit people midair with mad flairshots.
Post by: hops on October 29, 2015, 02:38:27 pm
So I'm just getting started with this crazy game. Are there any servers that Bay12ers tend to hang out on?I don't think that would be possible, since a few Bay12ers live in Europe, and me and Reudh lives in Hell.
Maybe in the future, when the internet doesn't suck...
Post by: miauw62 on October 29, 2015, 02:54:37 pm
beyond the four or so pubstompers present in every one of them (sorry!) they're pretty good.
also, you generally don't want to ditch your primary for another weapon, all of the primary weapons are pretty good (except for the flamethrower, i guess).
gamesense (even in pubs) and map knowledge are very important in tf2; the only way to improve in these is to play the game. individual class skills are pretty intuitive if you really think about them, so if you dont know what youre doing wrong, try to think. if you still don't know, ask!
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on October 29, 2015, 02:59:03 pm
I'd say hit me up if you want to play, but I live in Europe so the ping might be a bit of a problem.oh god did they nerf scorch D:
I'm Operand on steam, same avatar.
also rip in merasmeronis flare gun ;-;7
really though how am i supposed to enjoy scream fortress if i can't hit people midair with mad flairshots.
Post by: Shakerag on October 29, 2015, 03:53:00 pm
That's cool. I pretty much only game late at night anyway. Like after midnight Central US time.So I'm just getting started with this crazy game. Are there any servers that Bay12ers tend to hang out on?
There's no dedicated Bay12 server, atleast I don't think there is. Your best bet is to just friend people over steam and play games with them in public servers.
Me: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198029099955/
I'll show you the ropes if you have questions, I just regret that I'm asleep during most of America's daylight hours so I don't get to play with non-Russian non-Chinese people as much as I like to.
Me: http://steamcommunity.com//id/shakerag/
I used to play the hell out of Team Fortress Classic to the point that I could see 2fort in my dreams. This feels pretty similar, but different. I noticed the lack of grenades on each class right away. I am saddened that I can't suicide into everyone with a primed EMP grenade anymore :(
Post by: hops on October 29, 2015, 03:57:38 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 29, 2015, 04:04:37 pm
Guys don't panic, the flares and scorchs weren't nerfed. It's a glitch. Minicrits and crits are being weird right now. On related matter, you can now piss off ally snipers by jarating enemies, overwriting the headshot crit with minicrits.*defensively drinks crit-a-cola*/*charges enemy snipers with the GRU equipped"
Post by: miauw62 on October 29, 2015, 04:16:47 pm
Also grenades would make this game really, really spammy. I think Valve tried to make every class unique, so you can't jump across the map or throw projectiles around corners as every class :P
Post by: Spehss _ on October 29, 2015, 04:26:16 pm
SiN Fan O War griefing vid in 3... 2... 1...Check out Team Fortress Classic gameplay videos. Grenade spamming is a part of the game's meta.
Also grenades would make this game really, really spammy. I think Valve tried to make every class unique, so you can't jump across the map or throw projectiles around corners as every class :P
Post by: hops on October 30, 2015, 01:43:58 am
Post by: Reudh on October 30, 2015, 04:37:02 am
This is the main reason why the Demoman is the DPS.
Yeah, he gets 4x 100 direct damage grenades, plus 8x 60-90 damage stickybombs. If Demo's going for spam rather than traps, then put it this way: 12 shots to a Soldier's max of 8 with the much maligned (and banned in comp) Air Strike. He's also reliable across more range than Heavy (who needs to be at point blank to deal huge damage, but deals pitiful damage otherwise), Pyro (who needs to be at point blank to deal moderate damage, but is poor at range otherwise), Scout (who needs to be at point blank to deal huge damage, but can pester with a pistol at long range), Soldier (who needs to be at close-to-mid range to deal huge damage, but is poor at long range).
When you look at the class from a fundamental range:damage perspective, Demoman is a clear winner in everything except close range, and the other classes can fill in for that.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 30, 2015, 06:22:46 am
I actually have my Gold Botkiller SBL named after the date that the SBL nerfs were reverted, so it'll never be forgotten by my exploding foes.
Post by: Reudh on October 30, 2015, 08:10:56 am
Stickybomb Launcher can actually OHKO light classes with a single perfectly placed sticky, but those moments are rare so the 60-90~ approximation is good enough.
I actually have my Gold Botkiller SBL named after the date that the SBL nerfs were reverted, so it'll never be forgotten by my exploding foes.
I usually hit about 75-80 with my sticky launcher. Airdets 2stronk even now.
Post by: miauw62 on October 30, 2015, 10:04:48 am
In the current meta, Scout is the best class IIRC.
Sure, you need to be close, but that's not really hard to do when you're the fastest class in the game and can rather easily dodge most shots.
Post by: WealthyRadish on October 30, 2015, 04:12:41 pm
I'm not sure about scout being the best (at least at combat) in 6v6. It's vital to have them to exploit opportunities, find out what the other team's doing, and for cap time, but evading becomes much more difficult at the higher levels (though in pubs it's possible to go on a total rampage just knowing simple airstrafing and jump control). The really sick moments in competitive as scout are all about taking advantage of someone having no ammo loaded or being too distracted (so you're safe to roll over them). And killing the other scouts, that's the biggest thing really (which is kind of weird, that scouts mostly exist to kill the enemy scouts). Scout was just about all I played when I did comp and tournaments, but that was like 2+ years ago, so maybe it has changed.
Post by: miauw62 on October 30, 2015, 04:28:38 pm
Scout is less relevant in highlander, where the meta is "sniper" :P
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on October 30, 2015, 09:37:41 pm
*continues happily pyroing*
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 30, 2015, 09:54:54 pm
Plus the lower ranks are gonna be pure hilarity as phlog pyros and demoknights steamroll the matchmakin babies.
Post by: Spehss _ on October 30, 2015, 10:26:42 pm
I can't wait for matchmaking to hit, I'm thinking it'll completely revolutionize the game.It'd make finding a server to play on easier, I hope.
Plus the lower ranks are gonna be pure hilarity as phlog pyros and demoknights steamroll the matchmakin babies.
Post by: Reudh on October 30, 2015, 11:06:01 pm
I can't wait for matchmaking to hit, I'm thinking it'll completely revolutionize the game.
Plus the lower ranks are gonna be pure hilarity as phlog pyros and demoknights steamroll the matchmakin babies.
I personally prefer cannonknights. It's such fun knocking people around with the cannon before charging into them with the Splendid Screen and Half-Zatoichi.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 31, 2015, 12:53:52 am
I can't wait for matchmaking to hit, I'm thinking it'll completely revolutionize the game.
Eh. Its going to probably either mirror the comp meta already in play (only worse because none of the broken weapons can be banned), or it will be similar to how MvM became after like three months (a bunch of kick happy my-way-or-highway meta sods).
Post by: miauw62 on October 31, 2015, 03:27:30 am
I'm more worried about playing sixes with three snipers, a spy, a pyro and an engineer, and the presence of random crits and bullshit weapons such as the air strike, phlog and half-zaitochi.
That said, if it's ranked the game will only be shitty for new players due to sandbaggers. Higher levels would probably be OK. And lobbies will still exist, even though I don't like tf2center.
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 04, 2015, 02:18:09 am
I honestly hate the Halloween maps, the spells, bosses, pumpkins, skeletons, ghosts, all if it is outrageously stupid and gimmicky BS that interferes with balance and prevents actual fun.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on November 04, 2015, 04:15:23 am
Post by: miauw62 on November 04, 2015, 05:16:00 am
Also, gorge_event doesn't have any spells afaik, although I do agree that helltower is unbearable.
Post by: Spehss _ on November 04, 2015, 09:26:20 am
I honestly hate the Halloween maps, the spells, bosses, pumpkins, skeletons, ghosts, all if it is outrageously stupid and gimmicky BS that interferes with balance and prevents actual fun.I liked the bosses and pumpkins. Not familiar with most of the rest of that, although I agree that spells seem stupid.
Course, I haven't played TF2 in months and haven't touched it once this Halloween update. >.>
Post by: hops on November 05, 2015, 03:38:19 am
Post by: Neyvn on November 19, 2015, 10:29:26 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 19, 2015, 11:58:23 pm
Hey guys. Does anyone have a spare premium upgrade that is read to trade? I have just bought one for my girlfriend but it doesn't unlock for trade till next week, will do swap back to you when it unlocks.
Upgrade items are like 5 bucks a pop IIRC, and I can't think of a reason anyone would have one just lying around, so I can't foresee any biters to your inquiry.
Post by: miauw62 on November 21, 2015, 06:46:03 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on November 21, 2015, 07:56:25 am
Post by: miauw62 on November 22, 2015, 07:31:01 am
Spoiler: BIG undertale spoilers (click to show/hide)
Reudh linked me this, and it's amazing
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on November 22, 2015, 09:31:41 am
Post by: hops on November 22, 2015, 04:36:02 pm
[Cue Your Best Facestab]
Post by: miauw62 on November 24, 2015, 10:29:45 am
ALL PLAYERS EXCEPT B4NNY ARE QUITTING TF2
HOLY SHIT
I mean, holy shit.
[*] Froyo is going to become a TF2 legend, I just know it.
E:
apparently b4nny already has players in mind for next season
the legend lives on
Post by: miauw62 on November 27, 2015, 12:35:26 pm
publicr vs reason on process is fucking hilarious. eu gimmicks everywhere and double escape plan frags
E:
HEAVIES ON MID, DOUBLE DROPS WHAT THE FUUUCK
EU GIMMICKS EVERYWHERE
E2:
SIDESHOW IS SUDDENLY CASTING
WHERE DID HE COME FROM
Post by: MagmaMcFry on December 17, 2015, 03:14:10 pm
CONTRACTS, WEAPONS, MAPS, TAUNTS
SO MANY BALANCE CHANGES, THEY'RE PERFECT
I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW
Post by: Putnam on December 17, 2015, 03:34:01 pm
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Pyros like to collect rainbows! Extinguishing a teammate will now return 20 health to the Pyro.
haha what
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Degreaser
Increased Airblast cost by 25%
OH
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Phlogistinator
Removed 10% damage penalty.
When activating 'MMMPH', the taunting Pyro gains temporary invulnerability and immunity to knockback effects
?!?!
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Axtinguisher
Properties changed
100% Chance to crit against burning targets
33% Damage penalty
20% Slower attack speed
75% Slower switch-to speed
okay, axtinguisher isn't useless but now no puff and sting, huh
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Demoman / Demoknight
oh wow are they, like, legitimately balancing them as separate classes
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Charging now removes debuffs from the Demoknight (Bleed, Fire, Mad Milk, Jarate)
yes they are
Post by: miauw62 on December 17, 2015, 03:34:31 pm
THEY LISTENED TO B4NNY, THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN
PHLOGNISATOR GOT A BUFF
(https://i.imgur.com/YuKA82l.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqOsE8HRZJQ)
Post by: Putnam on December 17, 2015, 03:36:35 pm
did they get icefrog to help with this goddamn
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 17, 2015, 03:50:49 pm
PHLOGNISATOR GOT A BUFFA Mmmph'ing Pyro used to be practically invulnerable to everything but backstabs or sustained fire from several enemies at once. Why would it be made literally invulnerable instead?
The damage penalty was also removed from the Degreaser (amongst its nerfs), so that's probably an attempt to make the flamethrowers more similar to each other. Why would they, in a game that lives and breathes quirky weapons, try to do that?
Post by: JoshuaFH on December 17, 2015, 04:46:13 pm
Panic Attack is SOMEWHAT USABLE... just get rid of the awful spread and it earns it's way out of "Awful weapon hell" and joins "Meh... Whatever Purgatory"
Zatoichi is no longer super stupid! I might actually use it now as an easy, no ammo way to build uber with medics! "I'm stabbing myself for you, German Man!"
Nice guy bonuses given to pyro, scout, and sniper!
PHLOG BUFF... ha ha ha... hahahahaahHAHHAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA THE PUB NUBS ARE REALLY GONNA FEEL IT NOW HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Concherer is buffed, right when I thought we couldn't get any more ConchBox Sollies. Well, the regeneration was actually the weakest part about it, so I'm not upset.
BEGGAR'S BAZOOKA NERFED! And a really significant nerf at that! I know that decreasing a circle's diameter drastically decreases it's volume, but I'm math dumb so I don't know by how much exactly. I'm guessing it's a lot though, so I might not feel guilty from using it anymore!
CRIKEY METER! CRIKEY METER!
"Get ubercharge from hitting heal arrows"... I legit yelled 'WWWWHHHHAT?!' irl. That's an awesome buff to medic's already strongest weapon.
Three times setup speed for mediguns... "Hey you, both demos, want to set up 16 crit stickies between you and still have a charge ready for when the gates open?"
and the buff to the Vacc... I need to try it out.
Man, I feel bad for the Targe using babies. Now they're even bigger losers than before.
Sorry Engie, just nerfs for you! You were a bad boy this year.
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 17, 2015, 04:53:46 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 17, 2015, 05:12:45 pm
I mean, I would've just removed the degreaser entirely, but this looks practically tolerable.FTFY
completely losing airblast would just have made it entirely useless. degreaser was (and will probably still be) used because it was better at everything than stock. that hasn't changed much. afterburn is irrelevant.
pyro is a shittily designed and broken class. unfun to play against and ultimately pretty useless
dumb changes to numbers aren't going to fix anything
Really, these pyro changes aren't accomplishing anything. Nerfing degreaser is a shitty way to make stock viable.
It looks like they just listened to b4nnys rant and ignored all feedback by people who actually play against or as pyros on a regular basis (e.g. reputable pyro mains, hl soldiers/demomen)
Even then, b4nny suggested giving the pyro weapons niches, to make the degreaser the combo weapon and stock the reflect weapon. Which is still pretty dumb and would just result in stock being the only viable option in comp, unless pyro got some HUGE buffs to make it a viable flank class. To give some context, pyro would be competing with soldier and scout, the two most powerful DM classes in TF2. So that is also probably never going to happen.
The healing for extinguishing is just weird. I guess it's nice that I'll be able to farm heals off a teammate being burned by an enemy pyro, like I currently do for points :V
Phlog buffs are ridiculous. Phlog was already downright unfun to play against and just gives pyro a bad reputation while teaching new pyros bad habits ("don't pick your fights, just use this weapon for a free kritzkrieg and a full heal! Who cares about that silly airblast, you never use it anyway!")
Post by: MagmaMcFry on December 17, 2015, 06:05:16 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 17, 2015, 06:15:51 pm
I mean, I would've just removed pyro entirely, but this looks practically tolerable.FTFY
Now we're getting somewhere.
Hard to tell without playing it yet, but the switch-from speed increase getting halved, together with the ability to move after getting airblasted, makes it less of a "rightclickaimupsecondaryweaponleftclick and you're dead" sort of deal, which is all I'm really looking for. But with base weapon switch speeds times decreased, I'm thinking it may end up not being very noticeable.
That is the big problem with pyro though, that ultimately it's always a worse version of either scout or soldier. Can't buff it without making it stupid (unless the flamethrower gets reworked completely), can't nerf it because it's already bad. So I guess you keep increasing flamethrower base damage and buff the phlog, so people can at least... nope, still not getting that.
Post by: miauw62 on December 17, 2015, 06:26:28 pm
Pretty much yeah.I mean, I would've just removed pyro entirely, but this looks practically tolerable.FTFY
Now we're getting somewhere.
Hard to tell without playing it yet, but the switch-from speed increase getting halved, together with the ability to move after getting airblasted, makes it less of a "rightclickaimupsecondaryweaponleftclick and you're dead" sort of deal, which is all I'm really looking for. But with base weapon switch speeds times decreased, I'm thinking it may end up not being very noticeable.
That is the big problem with pyro though, that ultimately it's always a worse version of either scout or soldier. Can't buff it without making it stupid (unless the flamethrower gets reworked completely), can't nerf it because it's already bad. So I guess you keep increasing flamethrower base damage and buff the phlog, so people can at least... nope, still not getting that.
Here are some numbers for pyro's new weapon change speeds. (https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/3x9rjn/some_actual_numbers_on_pyro_switchspeed_changes/)
Also I'm in bed so I can't participate in happening ;_;
Also I won't be able to sell my cases for 50 bucks before their price drops to .001 scrap due to escrow ;_;
E:
https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/3x97pr/tf2_blog_the_tough_break_update_is_coming/cy2shmc
Rip engie
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 20, 2015, 01:07:01 am
The phlog buff is as bewildering as ever, but it's just a formalization of the previous ridiculous damage resist mechanic, so it isn't too different. I'm really surprised they didn't change it from crits to minicrits, that to me seems like an incredibly obvious change.
Post by: hops on December 20, 2015, 01:15:28 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 20, 2015, 06:42:32 am
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fellowshipofthephlog
It is done.
Post by: hops on December 20, 2015, 07:55:15 am
Just going to pluglessly shame this since it didn't get much attention; we could use some more members.Our marriage is tomorrow. Be there at 3PM, wear something nice. Also wield a phlog.http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fellowshipofthephlog
It is done.
Post by: Reudh on December 20, 2015, 10:17:05 am
- www.gfycat.com/VigilantArcticDuckling Phlog pyro made more obnoxious. Someone suggested it should only get phlog crits from the front, which is an okay idea.
- I like the medic changes. Rewards a medic playing well.
- I like the stock flamethrower changes, and how airblast restores health. While it's not ideal, it's a good idea as it rewards newbies who look at you burning for actually putting you out.
- Carbine is not 100% useless now. Makes for a fun stabbing time. That said, it is now terrifying to face a sniper in close quarters as you no longer know if he has bushwhacka crits until he pulls out his glowing kukri.
- Axtinguisher is worse than useless. I know it needed some way of making it able to compete with the Powerjack, but a 75% draw speed reduction AND a 33% damage penalty? yikes.
- Claidheamh Mor is now just a shitty Half-Zat. No point to it.
- Persian Persuader is now essentially a straight downgrade.
- Tide Turner is useless. You exchange MASSIVE amounts of damage for mobility - you can hit max 88 / 107 now, instead of 195/ 222 or whatever skullcutter crit is.
- WHY DID THEY NERF ENGI SO HARD. Now even the attentions of a half-awake spy is enough to seriously endanger an engi nest. I like playing Spy, and I like playing Engi, but all this change will encourage is engis to run minis more, even after they were nerfed. No point investing so much time in a L3 sentry when you can just get a mini up in much less time and much less time lost if it dies. Not to mention the 0.5s downtime after sapper removal. Rescue Ranger is now poor. 75 hp @ 4 bolts was what, 300hp healed? Given buildings go down in three hits to direct grenades or rockets, (216 hp), the lower clip size means you're going to have to go in for more risky repairs or teleport it away.
Now that it's 60hp @ 4 bolts, you're only going to have 240 hp repair, and a lengthy reload.
I can understand the engi nerfs as he slows the game down with the sentry gun, but it's just not fun to play anymore.
And my single biggest issue:
Glitches and framerate problems. The fuck is wrong with this game? I'm still getting invisible players and similar issues, not to mention nearly unplayable fps on an eight year old game, that I might add is running on a GTX 960 and an i5-4690k @ 3.5ghz. 15-25fps in barnblitz is pathetic. I can't in good faith pay for this update, where it's done just as much damage to my framerate as Gun Mettle did.
Post by: Spehss _ on December 20, 2015, 01:18:44 pm
And my single biggest issue:I haven't played this game in months because of this right here. Performance-wise it seems to be constantly getting shittier and shittier. I mean, I guess that's to be expected from constant additions of new content, meaning more code and processing and stuff that may or may not be streamlined.
Glitches and framerate problems. The fuck is wrong with this game? I'm still getting invisible players and similar issues, not to mention nearly unplayable fps on an eight year old game, that I might add is running on a GTX 960 and an i5-4690k @ 3.5ghz. 15-25fps in barnblitz is pathetic. I can't in good faith pay for this update, where it's done just as much damage to my framerate as Gun Mettle did.
Is sv_pure still completely enforced on every server? That's another thing I'd complain about, skins were fun but because of a few tryhards Volvo went and blocked everything everywhere and don't seem interested in a more elegant solution than "no more skins ever".
Post by: EnigmaticHat on December 20, 2015, 05:39:09 pm
I love TF2 but none of my computers can run it anymore. Most games get less laggy over time...
Post by: miauw62 on December 20, 2015, 07:00:20 pm
Also, yeah, valve is doing a terrible job at optimisation. Not to mention that dx9 will be REQUIRED for matchmaking.
Post by: Reudh on December 20, 2015, 09:42:51 pm
Have you tried the potatomode configs made by some comp players?
Also, yeah, valve is doing a terrible job at optimisation. Not to mention that dx9 will be REQUIRED for matchmaking.
I haven't tried potatomode configs yet. I've used Chris', i've used Rhapsody's and I've used that other main one that isn't one of those. I just wish that I could play the game with a half decent framerate at half decent settings.
Post by: miauw62 on December 21, 2015, 08:16:17 am
E:
http://www.teamfortress.tv/30651/boost-fps-with-this-one-simple-trick
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 21, 2015, 02:26:26 pm
http://www.teamfortress.tv/30651/boost-fps-with-this-one-simple-trick
There's a lot of merit to this. It's bizarre how TF2 is a game where theoretically lower graphics settings can result in lower performance, but a lot has changed with config settings and optimization. When you consider how much jury-rigging and experimentation has been involved in TF2's ongoing development (like how even alternate weapons and loadouts had to be added post-release) it sort of makes sense. I definitely wouldn't use the old Chris configs, those have been outdated for years.
Post by: Spehss _ on December 21, 2015, 09:39:51 pm
http://www.teamfortress.tv/30651/boost-fps-with-this-one-simple-trick
Tried this. Didn't help much. I'd average 30 or even 15 or 10 in heavy close up battles. Went back to dx8 and at least it averages ~30 in combat.
But I have a shit integrated graphics card that is years out of date and not very powerful, soooo...yeah.
Post by: miauw62 on December 23, 2015, 05:14:58 am
... it comes with festivizers that only work on skinned weapons >.>
Damnit Valve.
I guess I'll never own a festive weapon, since being strange is still much nicer than Christmas swag.
Oh and some hats are multi-class now, so their value is going to go up. Especially the unus.
E:
(http://www.nerfnow.com/img/1714/2740.png)
Post by: Dorsidwarf on December 23, 2015, 05:44:00 pm
Oh and it only does this every few days too. Money well spent (you fat bald bastard)
Post by: mattie2009 on December 24, 2015, 11:59:58 am
I still can't believe Valve tricked me into spending £4 on a month-long missions pass which makes me work for several hours just to get a fucking crate.
Oh and it only does this every few days too. Money well spent (you fat bald bastard)
This isn't new.
Shit, if you've played CS:GO any time within the last two-three years you could recognize this as standard operating procedure.
*bought the Invasion pass and now cannot hold all these fucking Invasion crates*
THEY WON'T STOP DROPPING.
- WHY DID THEY NERF ENGI SO HARD. Now even the attentions of a half-awake spy is enough to seriously endanger an engi nest. I like playing Spy, and I like playing Engi, but all this change will encourage is engis to run minis more, even after they were nerfed. No point investing so much time in a L3 sentry when you can just get a mini up in much less time and much less time lost if it dies. Not to mention the 0.5s downtime after sapper removal. Rescue Ranger is now poor. 75 hp @ 4 bolts was what, 300hp healed? Given buildings go down in three hits to direct grenades or rockets, (216 hp), the lower clip size means you're going to have to go in for more risky repairs or teleport it away.
Now that it's 60hp @ 4 bolts, you're only going to have 240 hp repair, and a lengthy reload.
"My favourite class is the Spy. Thanks, and have fun!"
-Gabe Newell
In all seriousness, though; as someone who plays Engie once in a blue moon, I'm probably not qualified to speak on the Engie changes.
Fortunately, I don't have to. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FboEYQQOJxQ&feature=youtu.be)
tl;dr the sentry nerf disincentivizes turtling behind your sentry like a useless trashcan. Spies can now sap and shoot without being instantly roasty-toastied by the sentry when the engie inevitably whacks it, allowing for easier kills on engineers who ignore the spy and only remove the sapper because 'a teammate will come along and take care of that for me'. Actually kill the spy before removing the sapper, move that gear up, and build a teleporter holy shit
The rescue ranger nerf equates to one extra bolt required for 300 healing, which equates to less than one second of gameplay difference.
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 24, 2015, 12:09:45 pm
Then again, I also thought that about festives when they were added (5 ref for a strange festive scattergun? what a waste!), so maybe I'm wrong.
Post by: Spehss _ on December 24, 2015, 12:31:58 pm
In all seriousness, though; as someone who plays Engie once in a blue moon, I'm probably not qualified to speak on the Engie changes.
Fortunately, I don't have to. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FboEYQQOJxQ&feature=youtu.be)
Fixed that.
Post by: mattie2009 on December 24, 2015, 12:45:41 pm
When the gun mettle stuff rolled around all I could think of are those Bismuth Bronze Botfarmer Mk.VII Whatevers, and how quickly they became irrelevant. That you're also paying money for the privilege of spending more money on keys... I'm really surprised by how well the campaign stuff has been received.
Then again, I also thought that about festives when they were added (5 ref for a strange festive scattergun? what a waste!), so maybe I'm wrong.
...I'd buy a Bismuth botkiller.
In all seriousness, though; as someone who plays Engie once in a blue moon, I'm probably not qualified to speak on the Engie changes.
Fortunately, I don't have to. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FboEYQQOJxQ&feature=youtu.be)
Fixed that.
you saw nothing
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 30, 2015, 09:00:09 pm
I don't know if I should be glad or disappointed. It is a bit hopeful, though. This is the sort of thing Valve would leave in the game for 6 years and then "fix" one day, like minisentries healing themselves.
Post by: Spehss _ on December 30, 2015, 09:30:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/3D4VD6A.png)For a second I thought that meant they removed the invulnerability entirely again.
I don't know if I should be glad or disappointed. It is a bit hopeful, though. This is the sort of thing Valve would leave in the game for 6 years and then "fix" one day, like minisentries healing themselves.
Guess not.
Post by: miauw62 on January 21, 2016, 10:09:06 am
THANK YOU BASED VOLVO
Post by: MrRoboto75 on January 21, 2016, 10:33:54 am
Post by: IcyTea31 on January 21, 2016, 11:14:18 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 21, 2016, 11:23:55 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 21, 2016, 12:58:21 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on January 21, 2016, 01:23:36 pm
Definitely. Now Pyros can't rush a group of enemies and use the Phlog to both heal and prepare for an asskicking. Now they have to *gasp* sneak around and get into an advantageous position before using MMMPH instead of rushing the nearest clump of enemies. Otherwise they'll get shot to pieces before they can use the MMMPH or activate it too early and run out before doing much damage. And then get shot to pieces.
So why not just use the backburner?
Post by: miauw62 on January 21, 2016, 01:32:55 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on January 21, 2016, 01:44:50 pm
because the backburner only crits from behind
But you already had to attack them from behind to gain any amount of success
And the backburner doesn't need to be charged to get crits, it always has them, and on top of that it has access to airblast.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 21, 2016, 02:28:55 pm
So why not just use the backburner?
Because the Backburner is really finicky about the positioning of enemies before it activates its crits. It's a much narrower angle than a spy's backstab and so it can be hard to align yourself properly with an unaware enemy without wasting the opportunity. Also, having guaranteed crits for a short amount of time means that even if someone turns around and spots you you'll still be spewing out damage until MMMPH runs out or you die. As such the Backburner is over faster to use while the Phlong is more reliable once you build up MMMPH. Or something like that. Also the Phlong can't airblast but have you ever tried airblasting with the Backburner? At 50 ammo a pop, it generally ends up with you running for the closest ammo crate.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on January 21, 2016, 06:03:04 pm
Now if you want to phlog, you either need to play way more passively, lobbing scorch shots and conserving health, or ambush with a lot of downtime as you need to go heal up yourself before you charge. And if you are playing as passively as the former, you may as well run with airblast and help your team by negating damage on your medic combo or extinguishing teammates.
May as well switch to sticky demo at this point. Twice as powerful, more damage and mobility, and just as easy in the average pub. Isn't complained about constantly for no reason and best of all, isn't nerfed every third patch.
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 21, 2016, 06:23:28 pm
I don't remember pyro being so much of a "kill at maximum range or die" class in the past.
Now all I see anywhere are pyros with medics popping uber and face ducking 4-sentry enginests, or lone back-burners charging L2 sentries from max range and killing it.
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 21, 2016, 06:37:29 pm
Pyros in general are fucking ridiculous lately. Anything but a rocketjumping soldier or spinning heavy just dies, almost instantly.
I don't remember pyro being so much of a "kill at maximum range or die" class in the past.
Now all I see anywhere are pyros with medics popping uber and face ducking 4-sentry enginests, or lone back-burners charging L2 sentries from max range and killing it.
Pyros are as weak as they've ever been, perhaps a bit weaker. They just have trouble dealing with anything outside of their range, and even there they have trouble since heavies, soldiers, scouts, and demos do just as much or more in the same range. Plus they have no recourse whatsoever to sentries, outside of reflecting Level 3 rockets.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 22, 2016, 03:01:24 am
Crit noise is very startling, most players crit from behind will spin around. Flamethrowers do damage in small but rapid ticks so unlike backstab or backscatter the short interval before they can react isn't going to accomplish much.because the backburner only crits from behind
But you already had to attack them from behind to gain any amount of success
And the backburner doesn't need to be charged to get crits, it always has them, and on top of that it has access to airblast.
Post by: Spehss _ on January 22, 2016, 03:02:37 am
Pyros are as weak as they've ever been, perhaps a bit weaker. They just have trouble dealing with anything outside of their range, and even there they have trouble since heavies, soldiers, scouts, and demos do just as much or more in the same range. Plus they have no recourse whatsoever to sentries, outside of reflecting Level 3 rockets.If they manage to get close enough to the sentry before it locks its aim on them, they can circle strafe it with a flamethrower. Assuming there is no support from the sentry's team.
Post by: Reudh on January 22, 2016, 06:01:04 am
I suppose the idea behind streams is to make them even to burst damage to keep them viable, but Pyro's damage stream is so low in comparison to say, Scout's 100 damage meatshots or Soldier's 100 damage rockets or Demo's 100 damage nades or Heavy's superiorly damaging damage stream in the same effective area.
Heck, a top tier Engi seperated from his gun is *probably* able to beat a pyro one on one.
The other day while I was doing just fine as Pyro, with Stock/Flare/Powerjack, a good scout RIPPED through me. It got to the point that I'd rather just airblast and flee rather than try and fight this scout, as he would barely be grazed while i struggled to approach.
Post by: IcyTea31 on January 22, 2016, 06:46:22 am
Post by: miauw62 on January 22, 2016, 10:43:48 am
if you think pyro is op you're just bad at the game tbh. any class by circlestrafing, this is countered by not putting your sentry in a place where enemies can jump on it. pyro has worse dps than a lot of classes except with a range restriction (to the point where pyros have to rely heavily on their secondaries for both burst damage and range). flame particles aren't even as easy to aim against good players as people make them out to be.
Post by: WealthyRadish on January 22, 2016, 09:23:09 pm
But pyro is for all purposes either a weaker and more forgiving scout or a less effective soldier. I'd rather valve just cut their losses and accept that the flamethrowers are too annoying to buff and should be made less so, even if the class is weak.
Post by: Egan_BW on January 22, 2016, 09:46:46 pm
Post by: Reudh on January 22, 2016, 10:42:23 pm
One thing I've found with W+M1 pyros is that I think they have some kind of an effect similar to aircraft approaching the sound barrier, where there can be a dense group of particles in front of them while they're moving forward. It's the best explanation I have for that instant burst of like 80-100 damage you'll sometimes get from them on the very edge of their range, while the actual damage per second seems much lower. It may have something to do with how the particles inherit (or don't inherit) velocity from walking speed.
But pyro is for all purposes either a weaker and more forgiving scout or a less effective soldier. I'd rather valve just cut their losses and accept that the flamethrowers are too annoying to buff and should be made less so, even if the class is weak.
You are right. It's for this reason that a W+M1 pyro will generally lose out to a S+M1 pyro, as the particles are trailing "behind" instead of bunching around due to forward momentum.
Post by: Spehss _ on January 22, 2016, 11:34:14 pm
1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPKH-QsEMRY)
2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSkf1yIAjzs)
3 (flamethrower mojo) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh3gPQuVCWo)
4 (flamethrower mojo 2) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSB4ywcE528)
Post by: Egan_BW on January 22, 2016, 11:34:23 pm
See? It's a tactical class.One thing I've found with W+M1 pyros is that I think they have some kind of an effect similar to aircraft approaching the sound barrier, where there can be a dense group of particles in front of them while they're moving forward. It's the best explanation I have for that instant burst of like 80-100 damage you'll sometimes get from them on the very edge of their range, while the actual damage per second seems much lower. It may have something to do with how the particles inherit (or don't inherit) velocity from walking speed.
But pyro is for all purposes either a weaker and more forgiving scout or a less effective soldier. I'd rather valve just cut their losses and accept that the flamethrowers are too annoying to buff and should be made less so, even if the class is weak.
You are right. It's for this reason that a W+M1 pyro will generally lose out to a S+M1 pyro, as the particles are trailing "behind" instead of bunching around due to forward momentum.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on January 23, 2016, 06:44:24 pm
Sure that's tactics, but that's not the same thing as being good.
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 23, 2016, 07:37:33 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 24, 2016, 09:19:24 am
So I just found my last post here and want to retract it. I wass playing late-night on a public server and the pyro in question was a pro seal clubber with two pocket medics (1 kritz, 1 uber). So yeah, he was shitting all over everyone but the tactical heavy.
The post in question:
Pyros in general are fucking ridiculous lately. Anything but a rocketjumping soldier or spinning heavy just dies, almost instantly.
I don't remember pyro being so much of a "kill at maximum range or die" class in the past.
Now all I see anywhere are pyros with medics popping uber and face ducking 4-sentry enginests, or lone back-burners charging L2 sentries from max range and killing it.
but I understand man, one of my most traumatizing experiences in TF2 was when I accidentally met "Satan", one of the best (if not *THE BEST*) pyro mains in the world, just hanging out on a 24/7 Harvest server. He proceeded to easily dominate literally every single person on my team and then peaced out like it was no big deal. The joke of the day was 'hold on, converting to Satanism' just because of how frigging mystical his mastery of the class was, it was unreal.
Post by: JoshuaFH on January 28, 2016, 08:01:21 am
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tfcompetitive
Get in, and maybe, JUST MAYBE, get a beta matchmaking pass.
Post by: miauw62 on January 28, 2016, 12:03:10 pm
Y
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Post by: miauw62 on February 18, 2016, 07:31:34 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on February 18, 2016, 08:16:02 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on February 18, 2016, 08:24:01 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 01, 2016, 11:04:06 am
While stranges let me know in hindsight how great I'm doing, and Killstreaks let me know in the moment with a visual confirmation, what I've always needed was audio validation that some guy just got put into the respawn timer. It's the one thing I've always wanted so badly, especially since the feature was already in the game with the achievement tracker feature. Honestly why it took so long is beyond me, but nebber bate than lever.
I'm enjoying Percussion the most, but Beepo is a strong contender. I'm not sure if it's possible to put in custom ones, but that will be high on my priorities to do if I can.
Oh and the audio confirmation on heal with the Xbow is cool too...
Post by: miauw62 on March 01, 2016, 01:24:37 pm
also if you dont want to use your phone you can just use the desktop authenticator.
Post by: IcyTea31 on March 01, 2016, 01:44:39 pm
blocked by sv_pureIs this a precaution to stop people from finding exploits? How on Earth could one get an unfair advantage from a different sound that plays after one has already beat their opponent fair and square?
Post by: miauw62 on March 01, 2016, 01:57:03 pm
Post by: Reudh on March 01, 2016, 01:58:50 pm
blocked by sv_pureIs this a precaution to stop people from finding exploits? How on Earth could one get an unfair advantage from a different sound that plays after one has already beat their opponent fair and square?
iirc there was some exploit by playing a specially crafted wav through sndspray or something like that, so as a precaution, Valve patched it and introduced sv_pure 1 and 2.
Post by: miauw62 on March 01, 2016, 07:18:40 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on March 01, 2016, 09:57:18 pm
Post by: Reudh on March 02, 2016, 05:48:49 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 02, 2016, 06:31:57 am
I mean, I gotta readjust to being a couple inches higher, but this is great man.
Post by: miauw62 on March 02, 2016, 07:00:53 am
i guess that's what i get for not playing tf2 until 5am every day :P
Post by: Spehss _ on March 02, 2016, 06:11:12 pm
i was asleep during the stress test ;-;If you played TF2 until 5am every day you'd probably be asleep during other important things. :P
i guess that's what i get for not playing tf2 until 5am every day :P
Post by: miauw62 on March 02, 2016, 06:57:28 pm
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on March 02, 2016, 11:02:51 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on March 04, 2016, 02:42:22 pm
Post by: misko27 on March 04, 2016, 05:39:52 pm
EU stress test broke all the things. Couldn't play more than a single game.I was so upset I missed it. I literally *saw* the little competitive Beta thing pop up, but my internet froze up on me.
Post by: miauw62 on March 04, 2016, 05:52:14 pm
EU stress test broke all the things. Couldn't play more than a single game.and that game was a roll... :(
Post by: misko27 on March 07, 2016, 09:26:20 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on March 07, 2016, 10:05:53 pm
EDIT: New stress test is happening, people are learning how to teamwork, roller teams have absconded up the ladder, I've been winning almost continuously (I still only get sorted into Granary and Foundry for some reason), and I'm finally back to the part of the progress bar where you start.
Post by: miauw62 on March 14, 2016, 02:22:29 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on March 14, 2016, 08:02:22 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on March 14, 2016, 08:17:34 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on March 14, 2016, 11:08:32 pm
You are right. It's for this reason that a W+M1 pyro will generally lose out to a S+M1 pyro, as the particles are trailing "behind" instead of bunching around due to forward momentum.
I assume that "generally" is just in case of people like me.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26452959/idontalwayspyro.jpg)
Post by: hops on March 15, 2016, 12:40:53 am
[Names every weapon in the game, including stock] :PBan all weapons, allow only tauntkills.
Post by: Reudh on March 15, 2016, 01:23:10 am
I've felt pessimistic about matchmaking, because there are so many weapons that break the game at that level, but if people are confident that valve will actually make changes, then that's a reason to be optimistic. I mean, when things like the sandman, wrangler, pomson, disciplinary action, jag, reserve shooter, flying guillotine, *phlog*, vita saw, darwin's danger shield, natascha, tomislav, crit-a-cola, quickie spammer, loch 'n' load, direct hit, vaccinator, etc etc etc, are all given the royal treatment of horrible metas, they'll have to change something, right?
Some of those weapons are just strong and not distinctly overpowered.
Overpowered:
- Pomson: Projectile, while slow has a huge hitbox, isn't reflectable, drains cloak AND uber on hit, hurting two classes who effectively can't use their primary mechanics because an engineer fired into a choke or melee. Only saving grace is it's no longer a flat 20% reduction on hit, but instead falls off with distance like the Black Box does now.
- Crit-a-cola: Brief drinking period in which you are vulnerable in exchange for a free 35% more damage AND negation of damage falloff. The only bad thing about it is that you can't use a pistol to pester someone with. The "downside" of more damage taken is negligible: if you're playing Scout well, you're just hit and run, and your method of mitigating damage is by being fast enough to avoid it entirely.
- Vita-saw is overpowered purely in that in order to maintain an even playing field with an enemy medic, they are forced to run Vita-Saw as well.
- Darwin's Danger Shield is overpowered purely in that in order to maintain an even playing field with an enemy sniper, they are forced to run DDS as well.
- Reserve Shooter is a very, very strong weapon. It's not broken anymore, thankfully, but being smacked with up to 135 damage just because you're within the (rather janky) airblast range is not fun. At least you don't get punished for using the very most basic mobility mechanic available to any class anymore, that being jumping.
- Loch n' Load isn't nearly as insane as it used to, and no rollers and reduced splash on hit hurts Demo while he's operating in a group, but it's still very strong PURELY for the increased projectile speed. An increase in projectile speed effectively means increased effective range for Demoman, which a defensive class shouldn't really be needing, especially one based upon area denial. The loose cannon lost its projectile speed bonus, why couldn't Loch, but instead retain its old damage bonus?
Borderline:
Anything that negates movement options. That being Natascha and Sandman. Slow down fast classes if you can land a hitscan bullet on them? Stun any class for a period of time at almost any range besides point blank, using a fairly quick moving projectile with a generous hitbox.
The rest of those mentioned weapons, at least in comp, are strong but situational. Vaccinator? Totally able to be dealt with if you're rolling in a combo with more than one method of damage, eg. pyro + scout, demo + scout, soldier + pyro. Phlog? Keep out of flamethrower range. It's not as crazy as it used to be, as it now requires 300 instead of 225 fire damage and doesn't heal on taunt anymore. Additionally, the lack of an airblast REALLY hurts pyro's competitive viability, which is already very low.
Flying guillotine? Well... assuming the scout lands it, and the affected enemy doesn't get to any health packs before the DOT completes, you've gotten the equivalent of a single meatshot, at any range. It's pretty good for preventing crit heals too, but the fact that it takes 6 seconds to reload hurts its long range pestering vs. the pistol.
Disciplinary action... While speeding up slow classes is extremely powerful, most soldiers will run escape plan to mid as it gets them there faster than a whipped medic or other teammate would. It could see use with whipping heavies into action, but heavy already has the GRU for that.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on March 15, 2016, 01:39:40 am
Sideshow has the right ideas about the future of 6s (https://youtu.be/cGfgCE1GXcw)He raises a very good point. If you have 6 soldiers fight against 6 soldiers and one team has to push through chokes, with equal skill the defending team is already going to win. Even tho soldier is an "offensive" character, he doesn't beat himself even if he's attacking. And yet there are defensive classes that stack even further advantage on top of that. Its a broken concept unless attacking carries some kind of advantage with it, which on most maps it clearly doesn't enough to balance things out.
I would say competitive TF2 has had a very stiff attitude towards the classes. Valve's other competitive offerings should have demonstrated by now that you don't need everyone to be limited to the same tactics to have an interesting competitive game. Yet competitive takes a game known for its variety of classes and unlocks and says "nope, you're all pretty much going to be running the same stuff with small variants". And yeah that's not their fault, as the linked guy points out, Valve has done a bad job making the different classes and unlocks fun and balanced for serious players. Its unfortunate tho.
Post by: WealthyRadish on March 15, 2016, 02:17:29 am
This is a very fair assessment, with some cops:
The vaccinator in its current incarnation seems fairly broken, just going off of pubs (since it's banned everywhere else). The ubers are built insanely quickly, multiple can be used simultaneously, and two could possibly be used in the first mid fight alone. But there's a bigger, major, glaringly fundamental problem with that weapon in 6v6, that justified it being banned across the board even when it sucked. In highlander, all kinds of spam is flying in from multiple damage types from players all over the place, but the vaccinator makes the medic and their target essentially completely immune to the kind of aggressive bombs that account for the majority of medic deaths in 6v6. Even if a roamer has a shotgun and pulls that, the medic probably has two ubers available anyway, and just having to attempt a shotgun kill instead puts the soldier at a large disadvantage. Scouts in a vaccinator meta also lose half their purpose, since they are essentially incapable of killing that medic. But with the other completely broken unlocks available, I think teams may still have at least one scout. And this is a meta that may very well have two medics, so having one on the vaccinator would be incredibly unpleasant. You can certainly say goodbye to the kritzkrieg forever.
The disciplinary action breaks the game in 6v6 (though in pubs it doesn't matter for diddly). Rocket jumping to mid and using the escape plan is of course going to be slightly faster on most maps, which is a big deal, but it's the effect it has on other teammates that really messes with things. I'm imagining the potential interactions with wrangler jag engineers, and it's making my face look like I got a fishhook stuck in my cheek. The heavy implication is also there, but it's also all the other off-classes coming out of the woodwork that makes me think the disciplinary action will be hated.
The guillotine is certainly broken in pubs, but I agree that it'll be less so in competitive, since the DoT is much less likely to matter. But the thought of the sandman being used in comp gets my jimmies intensely rustled, and the guillotine being used with it as well pushes it way over the edge. I love the combo dearly, it's completely righteous to make the pub heavies suffer, but in comp it is absolutely unacceptable, I don't think anybody could dispute that. The combo only makes it more insane.
One thing I forgot to mention, the beggar's bazooka, good god. I wonder how long it'll take for them to fix the reloading exploit, at the minimum.
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 15, 2016, 02:22:09 am
But yeah, the Beggars is still crazy good even with it's -20% splash radius penalty. Just infinite groundspamming cheese cannon for days man.
Post by: Reudh on March 15, 2016, 03:29:22 am
I'm imagining the potential interactions with wrangler jag engineers
Oh god, I didn't even think about that. Sped up building movement, sped up construction, also lol shielding or wrangler jumps to get l3 setups in odd spots earlier than normal.
Post by: miauw62 on March 18, 2016, 03:20:07 pm
we didn't drop a single game :v
cola is indeed pretty ridiculous and im torn between using it because it's just that good and feeling like my performance is just because of the cola.
also, getting backcaps is far too easy.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 18, 2016, 03:29:39 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 19, 2016, 12:32:34 am
finally played a proper game of matchmaking with magma
we didn't drop a single game :v
cola is indeed pretty ridiculous and im torn between using it because it's just that good and feeling like my performance is just because of the cola.
also, getting backcaps is far too easy.
No, abuse that shit as hard as you can. If it's truly overpowered, crush people with it in order to more quickly convince Valve to change it already.
And these early stress tests are going to be the biggest grab bag of skill during it's youth. As it gets older, the playerbase will mature and the cream among them will rise to the top, so you'll be very certain to hit players that are a challenge eventually. That's the beauty of MM.
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 21, 2016, 07:42:46 am
Valve started giving out Beta Passes, and when you get one, you start dropping gift beta passes to give to others. The SPUF community is then taking it upon themselves to use this exponential Beta Pass growth to spread the love around. You just need to ask.
The only caveat is that you need Steam Mobile Authenticater, otherwise the Pass itself doesn't work.
Post by: misko27 on March 21, 2016, 09:31:33 pm
For anyone with a SPUF Account, and wants a Beta Matchmaking Pass, go here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3302019Well I've had a SPUF account I haven't used a year or two, so that should be good.
Valve started giving out Beta Passes, and when you get one, you start dropping gift beta passes to give to others. The SPUF community is then taking it upon themselves to use this exponential Beta Pass growth to spread the love around. You just need to ask.
The only caveat is that you need Steam Mobile Authenticater, otherwise the Pass itself doesn't work.
Post by: Shadowlord on March 22, 2016, 08:10:49 am
... So now Valve's disabling game features if you don't buy an android or iPhone and install their app on it?!? What the fuck.
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 22, 2016, 08:19:09 am
Post by: Putnam on March 22, 2016, 06:27:06 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on March 22, 2016, 08:39:36 pm
Post by: hops on March 23, 2016, 05:55:20 am
Post by: miauw62 on March 24, 2016, 05:34:09 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 25, 2016, 10:49:48 am
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198029099955/
and I'll give it to you. The only stipulation is that having the Beta Pass will cause others to start dropping for you, so please give those away to others in this thread.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on March 25, 2016, 02:16:19 pm
E: Got the thing. Thanks!
Post by: miauw62 on April 04, 2016, 03:18:51 pm
steamcommunity.com/id/miauw62
Post by: misko27 on April 04, 2016, 06:07:51 pm
i've also got a beta invite to give away. message me.I friended you. I don't know what to do next.
steamcommunity.com/id/miauw62
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 04, 2016, 06:19:46 pm
BTW I have more invites to give.
Post by: miauw62 on April 04, 2016, 06:55:30 pm
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Post by: miauw62 on April 20, 2016, 03:01:42 pm
This is a pretty big loss for the competitive community and the best team in Europe. At least he'll still be casting :x
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 20, 2016, 04:42:34 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on April 25, 2016, 05:53:31 pm
Post by: misko27 on April 26, 2016, 06:50:46 am
I played a lot of hydro today.
Is competitive TF2 going well? All I hear about is problems.I'm enjoying it. It's a beta, you know, so problems are what you expect, but they do seem to be working on them. A lot of imbalance, but that's expected until the part of matchmaking that actually makes matches starts working. The only really annoying thing is the occasional hacker, and the more-then-occasional premade group that stomps.
Post by: Reudh on April 26, 2016, 07:31:14 am
Damn, it feels good.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on April 26, 2016, 12:11:24 pm
Post by: miauw62 on April 26, 2016, 12:22:46 pm
Post by: miauw62 on April 29, 2016, 05:57:24 pm
This is fucking huge. Can't wait for hacker tears.
E: rip all of ugcs "top" snipers, apparently. Jesus Christ. (http://www.ugcleague.net/forum/showthread.php?48559-Lmaobox-Premium-Detected&p=265689#post265689)
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 29, 2016, 08:50:41 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on April 29, 2016, 09:05:22 pm
Post by: misko27 on April 29, 2016, 10:16:54 pm
This is a link to the UGC Vac Bans: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1dfcMHrF3dGByk-UV8CEDhhhDVBhb3Uo2QC7kWU6ciEs/htmlview?sle=true# (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1dfcMHrF3dGByk-UV8CEDhhhDVBhb3Uo2QC7kWU6ciEs/htmlview?sle=true#) I personally don't care too much (other then to say "Wow look at that huge list"), but it's still good to see. The best part is the people with the super expensive backpacks.
I am happy.
Post by: Reudh on April 29, 2016, 10:23:29 pm
Maxbox has redeemed himself in my eyes. I'm so happy, TF2 competitive has a goddamn CHANCE now!
Miggy is apparently the one who sent the email. Supposedly Max Box is just trying to take credit; miggy has a screenshot of an email he sent to Valve.
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 30, 2016, 06:31:43 am
Post by: Reudh on April 30, 2016, 10:23:19 am
LMAO box owner called it quits and shut down the project. Apparently Valve managed to even snag people who haven't used it for a few months, so it really is a huge wide net. (I wonder how many accounts got shut down, Jesus. This could be good fun.)
This is a link to the UGC Vac Bans: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1dfcMHrF3dGByk-UV8CEDhhhDVBhb3Uo2QC7kWU6ciEs/htmlview?sle=true# (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1dfcMHrF3dGByk-UV8CEDhhhDVBhb3Uo2QC7kWU6ciEs/htmlview?sle=true#) I personally don't care too much (other then to say "Wow look at that huge list"), but it's still good to see. The best part is the people with the super expensive backpacks.
I am happy.
Also holy shit St. Francis got banned; I was actually planning on trying out for his Highlander team. Wow. I'd heard from two of his other team members (Decapotato and Patriot) that he was frighteningly good, and that in the tryouts he will ruin you one on one, but i never dreamed he was actually using lmaobox. What a scumbag.
Post by: miauw62 on April 30, 2016, 12:58:31 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on April 30, 2016, 01:05:43 pm
Post by: hops on May 03, 2016, 08:32:17 am
Apparently LMAObox is detected by VAC now.#lmaopapers2016
This is fucking huge. Can't wait for hacker tears.
E: rip all of ugcs "top" snipers, apparently. Jesus Christ. (http://www.ugcleague.net/forum/showthread.php?48559-Lmaobox-Premium-Detected&p=265689#post265689)
Post by: MagmaMcFry on May 07, 2016, 01:59:38 pm
This has happened to me so often it isn't even funny or surprising anymore, just sooo frustrating.
Post by: miauw62 on May 07, 2016, 04:49:08 pm
Post by: miauw62 on June 16, 2016, 01:36:37 pm
No GPit though NotLikeThis
This summer is going to be huge for TF2. We've got DH Summer in Europe, Florida Lan in NA, and i58 with an australian team. And then we've got DeutschLan 2: Electric Boogaloo for Highlander.
HYPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWyhhDi5n8g)
Post by: hops on June 17, 2016, 02:28:53 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 19, 2016, 02:32:28 pm
Grand finals werent that good anyway, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND watching Day 2 Crowns vs Comfortably Spanked, some of the most ridiculous TF2 I have seen, ever.
link to sideshow's beautiful face (https://www.twitch.tv/teamfortresstv/v/73293970?t=10h28m47s)
Post by: WealthyRadish on June 19, 2016, 08:28:12 pm
And then seeing the finals end in a draw... I skipped most of it, but the mounting hysteria at the end when they finally ran out of time was hilarious. My guess is they'll just split the prize if they can't find a place to do a LAN rematch quickly, I wouldn't try to decide it with an online match.
Post by: MrWiggles on June 20, 2016, 04:46:07 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 20, 2016, 06:46:02 am
According to DavidTheWin, all of them will also be uploaded to YouTube, but no ETA on that.
Post by: MrWiggles on June 21, 2016, 02:14:24 am
Post by: MagmaMcFry on June 25, 2016, 04:53:22 pm
Long have we waited for this day, it seems we shall not wait much longer. Soon TF2 will officially be neato.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 25, 2016, 10:50:28 pm
Post by: Chaos Armor on June 26, 2016, 12:13:54 am
BREAKING NEWS: the Final Stress Test (https://youtu.be/9jK-NcRmVcw?t=37) is happening right now.
Long have we waited for this day, it seems we shall not wait much longer. Soon TF2 will officially be neato.
Neato?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 26, 2016, 12:35:03 am
Post by: MrWiggles on June 26, 2016, 01:50:45 am
Post by: MagmaMcFry on June 26, 2016, 05:28:03 am
Post by: miauw62 on June 26, 2016, 06:18:10 am
Post by: miauw62 on July 06, 2016, 01:05:49 pm
i wonder what is going to happen to valve pubs with this new mode. i thoroughly enjoyed valve pubs as they were, despite bs like random crits. this seems like it'll be extremely prone to the good ole bad iron soldier and his medic buttbuddy pubstomping, without even scrambles or autobalance or plain leaving to stop them.
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 06, 2016, 02:10:44 pm
In a way, valve may be shooting themselves in the foot adding quickplay and now matchmaking this late in its life, if it flops. The game wasn't really dependent on valve's continued server support before, except for inventories and the store (which they would have to host anyway), but now if it becomes unprofitable and they need to severely cut back in a few years, it could kill the game for good, since so many community servers have shut down.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 06, 2016, 04:01:56 pm
Post by: LASD on July 06, 2016, 04:24:58 pm
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You'll be playing a match from start to finish, with actual winners and actual losers.
I'm a bit worried about the quick play option too. The thing I've most enjoyed about TF2 is that winning is just a bonus, I don't really care about it if I play well myself or have amusing things to happen. Overwatch is so competitive that I see myself only caring about winning, which gets me into the Dota 2 mindset which isn't a good place to be.
Even though I haven't played TF2 in a good long while, I like the idea that when I return, it isn't to a bunch of people telling me how I'm playing one of my favorite games wrong and how I should be taking it more seriously.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 06, 2016, 07:13:21 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 06, 2016, 07:17:11 pm
Yis.
Post by: Egan_BW on July 06, 2016, 07:53:27 pm
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on July 06, 2016, 07:57:52 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on July 06, 2016, 08:15:00 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 06, 2016, 09:40:51 pm
I DON'T CARE 12 DORFS NOW
Hard work pays off
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on July 06, 2016, 11:28:07 pm
I DON'T CARE 12 DORFS NOW(no)
Post by: Egan_BW on July 07, 2016, 12:46:55 am
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on July 07, 2016, 12:58:51 am
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 07, 2016, 01:07:41 am
Its more that Blizzard isn't going for that kind of experience in Overwatch. They have a vision of a competitive 6v6 shooter and they're sticking to it. And to their credit, let's say that 12 Winstons is horribly broken in 12v12. They gotta do something about that. But doing something about that might be to the expense of their 6v6 main show.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 07, 2016, 04:29:58 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 07, 2016, 04:35:22 pm
Post by: miauw62 on July 07, 2016, 04:43:07 pm
pyro desperately needs balancing pls volvo ;-;7
Post by: Flying Dice on July 07, 2016, 04:59:26 pm
I don't know that it would be exactly broken. Look at it like this. Multiple heavies supported by multiple medics has been the win button strat in TF2 pubs for literally years and yet almost no teams actually do it. Like sure, the optimal strat would probably be something like 12 Winstons, but like. How often is that going to actually happen? You'd need bigger maps, and less turret/choke friendly setups. But besides that it could probably work.
Its more that Blizzard isn't going for that kind of experience in Overwatch. They have a vision of a competitive 6v6 shooter and they're sticking to it. And to their credit, let's say that 12 Winstons is horribly broken in 12v12. They gotta do something about that. But doing something about that might be to the expense of their 6v6 main show.
It's not even broken unless the other team is retarded and keeps running five snipers. A couple Roadhogs and Reapers would clean house vs a Winston comp.
I'm not happy to see this come to TF2, either. It was always a casual shooter, that's why it's good, you can just sit back and fuck around without feeling like you're terrible.
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 07, 2016, 05:28:05 pm
Now I'm trying to think of which one is hillary and which is trump. "It costs $400,000 to run this campaign for 12 seconds..."
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 07, 2016, 05:43:38 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 07, 2016, 07:17:48 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on July 07, 2016, 07:38:58 pm
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The Righteous BisonDidn't this used to be a feature? Did it become a bug when they fixed it? :P
Fixed a bug causing players to be hit by the same projectile multiple times, causing the damage dealt to vary wildly
EDIT: Hmm, looks like they tried to make Pyros into counters to Medics.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 07, 2016, 07:45:11 pm
I mean seriously, what the fuck, why is quickplay gone? This is horrible. Suppose I don't want to use community servers. This has the following consequences: I can't choose the map I want to play on anymore, or even the game mode. I can't pubstomp. I can't kick idiots. I can't stop playing when I'm interrupted without bad consequences. I can't stop playing when I'm bored without bad consequences. I can't stop playing when I don't like the map without bad consequences. I can't fucking play Asteroid anymore. This is all stuff I do regularly, and I can't do this any more.
I don't actually like competitive play, and I'm out of options. I now feel strongly that this has turned out to be the worst update ever.
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 07, 2016, 07:58:39 pm
Spoiler: many image (click to show/hide)
On the whole, I'd give it 2.5 neatos out of a swell.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 07, 2016, 08:08:36 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on July 07, 2016, 08:16:15 pm
volvo ur doin it wrong
Post by: Putnam on July 07, 2016, 09:00:27 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on July 07, 2016, 09:44:55 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 07, 2016, 10:44:38 pm
I think I might have to actually go through and learn soldier rollouts on the maps in circulation now (though I can't feel bad for not knowing swiftwater in 6v6, I mean really). In what little competitive I've played before I've always run scout, but I think good soldiers may be in short supply, along with medics.
Post by: miauw62 on July 08, 2016, 06:08:46 am
pyro receives no significant changes
scout gets airblast
skill-a-cola still just as skillful
rollouts op
badlands last nerfed
rip in rip wee booties
shortstop still op
cvar locks still ridiculous in mm
still no performance
pubs are dead
top fucking kek volvo
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 08, 2016, 08:27:21 am
>So let's nerf heavy
>Make those useless unlocks more useless
>Buffalo Steak? Fuck that, nerfed
>We'll give spies medic speed so heavies can get backstabed twice as much
>Make it so healing can get disrupted so heavy can be shit even with a pocket medic
>Let's not revert accuracy and damage ramp up nerfs
>Third heavy nerf in a row
Post by: miauw62 on July 08, 2016, 10:20:15 am
such fun
Post by: TheDarkStar on July 08, 2016, 10:53:16 am
also since people are now taking pubs seriously, welcome to every pub ever being 6 heavies and 6 medics with literally nothing you can do about it
such fun
spy?
Post by: Metalax on July 08, 2016, 11:03:51 am
One thing I will say, if they are going to punish people for having to leave casual matches, they'd better have removed idle timeouts within those matches.
Post by: miauw62 on July 08, 2016, 11:35:32 am
yes as if that is going to help against 5 heavies and a medicalso since people are now taking pubs seriously, welcome to every pub ever being 6 heavies and 6 medics with literally nothing you can do about it
such fun
spy?
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 08, 2016, 11:49:30 am
Sniper with Cozy Ca- oh, wait, that was nerfed. I'm not that sad since it was too situational for me to ever use it, but now it's just useless.yes as if that is going to help against 5 heavies and a medicalso since people are now taking pubs seriously, welcome to every pub ever being 6 heavies and 6 medics with literally nothing you can do about it
such fun
spy?
Demoman and Kritzkrieg Medic?
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 08, 2016, 12:21:45 pm
I still haven't played the casual matchmaking, but after a couple more competitive matchmaking rounds, it's still looking to be fun. The maps are... odd. I got gorge, swiftwater, and non-pro viaduct. In two of the matches someone left, so we got no credit for winning (even though it was someone on our team). People seem to understand how essential a medic on the team is, even at these very low ranks. Unfortunately still lots of engineers, spies, pyros, heavies, and snipers, which has made it feel like a small slightly above-average pub more than anything. Usually at least one other soldier and 0-1 scouts. Good demos are probably the class that's in shortest supply.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 08, 2016, 01:09:38 pm
Please tell me everything about Scout's new airblast. That seems like the dark horse change that will have an unexpectedly huge impact on the game.
Post by: IcyTea31 on July 08, 2016, 01:24:43 pm
Please tell me everything about Scout's new airblast. That seems like the dark horse change that will have an unexpectedly huge impact on the game.The Shortstop now has an alt-fire 'shove' that deals a single point of damage and knocks the opponent back. Unlike the Pyro's airblast, it can't reflect projectiles and has a much shorter range.
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 08, 2016, 01:50:33 pm
Post by: KingofstarrySkies on July 08, 2016, 09:33:35 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on July 08, 2016, 09:34:47 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 09, 2016, 12:19:03 am
Scout confirmed stole Lucio's boop gun.Please tell me everything about Scout's new airblast. That seems like the dark horse change that will have an unexpectedly huge impact on the game.The Shortstop now has an alt-fire 'shove' that deals a single point of damage and knocks the opponent back. Unlike the Pyro's airblast, it can't reflect projectiles and has a much shorter range.
Post by: EvilTwin on July 09, 2016, 07:59:41 am
Scout confirmed stole Lucio's boop gun.Please tell me everything about Scout's new airblast. That seems like the dark horse change that will have an unexpectedly huge impact on the game.The Shortstop now has an alt-fire 'shove' that deals a single point of damage and knocks the opponent back. Unlike the Pyro's airblast, it can't reflect projectiles and has a much shorter range.
Except the shortstop is even worse than the boop gun.
Post by: Egan_BW on July 09, 2016, 12:42:30 pm
shortstop still op
Except the shortstop is even worse than the boop gun.well which one is it punks
Post by: miauw62 on July 09, 2016, 12:53:59 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 09, 2016, 03:46:53 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 09, 2016, 08:59:45 pm
oh wait someone left the match
Post by: Chaos Armor on July 09, 2016, 11:36:38 pm
Oh boy I'm going to rank up in competi
oh wait someone left the match
So far that's been my experience.
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 11, 2016, 12:50:44 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 11, 2016, 02:10:49 pm
I've realized how lucky I got for the first ~5 matches, and now I think queuing solo is a mistake, at least for now. I think a minimum party of 3 good players is almost mandatory if trying to avoid the really horrible matches where the loss is obvious 10 seconds in when nobody finds mid.
Post by: LASD on July 11, 2016, 03:44:43 pm
This is very un-Valvelike. They usually set the trail, not just copy their competition. And their usually incredibly strong vision seems to have severely faltered for TF2 now.
They did update the blog about Casual Mode, but they don't acknowledge my problem, which is that I really don't think TF2 should only be competitive.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 12, 2016, 01:32:36 am
Spoiler: side note (click to show/hide)
Post by: Reudh on July 12, 2016, 03:19:26 am
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This image has been my TF2 experience for the last couple of days. It took me five minutes of queuing to get into a game, and when I finally did, Sparkles and his band of merry hackers were Lmaoboxing the entire place up. It's hard to do anything against a spinbotting sniper. Can't votekick them, can't leave without being penalised for it.
Moreover, there are precisely TWO populated servers in Australia that aren't trade/achievement/idiocy servers. One, Hitler's Jewfort, is a hopelessly edgy 32 player instaspawn 2fort, that more often than not is laggy. The other, UGC Gaming, has video advertisements, and is... 24/7 2fort instaspawn.
Fuck that noise.
Post by: miauw62 on July 12, 2016, 09:56:19 am
Post by: PTTG?? on July 12, 2016, 10:06:01 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 12, 2016, 10:18:23 am
I have internet again, if Miauw or anybody wants to hit me up for a game sometime.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 12, 2016, 04:03:42 pm
Effects:
- You can get matched by casual rank, but you can join via the server browser too
- Pubs would be running continuously again, people could continue playing on a server for as long as they want
- Autobalance and team scramble would be active, but preserving parties, so abandoning and imbalance is fixed again
- Waiting time would be greatly reduced, since the competitive ruleset is disabled and you don't need to victory/requeue after every match
- Payload and A/D maps can get played to last again
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 12, 2016, 04:06:08 pm
Alternatively have actual casual casual that is literally old pubs.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on July 12, 2016, 04:24:31 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on July 12, 2016, 04:25:45 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on July 13, 2016, 12:08:33 pm
How would you guys react if they changed casual to just be a new frontend to the old pubs?
Effects:
- You can get matched by casual rank, but you can join via the server browser too
- Pubs would be running continuously again, people could continue playing on a server for as long as they want
- Autobalance and team scramble would be active, but preserving parties, so abandoning and imbalance is fixed again
- Waiting time would be greatly reduced, since the competitive ruleset is disabled and you don't need to victory/requeue after every match
- Payload and A/D maps can get played to last again
Sounds exactly like what quickplay was, which I'd say did much more damage than benefit. Before quickplay, when everyone had to use the server browser, community servers got the traffic they needed not just to survive, but maintain a real community of regulars, often with events and forums. The community servers were where the competitive scene, modding scene, and mapmaking scene were all born, and I'm willing to speculate that their death following the introduction of quickplay was the single biggest thing that exacerbated the decline in dedicated player interest, and certainly the decline in new players joining the competitive scene.
A huge part of it was down to quickplay's excessive sv_pure requirements, loosening that or adding a player toggle for whether sv_pure is required would have been enough to mitigate some of the biggest problems. In my opinion the best would be competitive matchmaking and nothing else (besides the browser), but some people really like the slight convenience of quickplay, so I guess we need to have casual matchmaking. But I actually like Valve's direction here of making casual matchmaking more competitive and distinct from pubs, so hopefully we do still see an uptick in through-the-browser traffic.
Post by: miauw62 on July 13, 2016, 12:52:42 pm
The problem is that in 2013, valve implemented a bullshit quickplay system that killed all good community servers. And now they've literally removed the only good servers that were left, now only accessible through a broken and unfinished matchmaking system which still has teams that are just as bad except with no builtin mechanics to fix this, and with much, MUCH more pressure to perform than old pubs, where you could do whatever and relax.
Combined with the total number of exciting balance changes in this update being 2, plus some bullshit nerfs to underused weapons and buffs to already OP weapons, it sort of kills any desire I had to play TF2.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on July 13, 2016, 03:49:08 pm
There was the occasional randomizer or cp_degroot server that was redeemable because they offered something actually different than normal gameplay. But on the whole it was a lot of crap with no good way to filter it. And like randomizer was cool, but it was also weighed down by admin stupidity like all melee rounds and non-random rounds. Most of the time I just wanted to play some damn TF2, and quickplay was significantly better at offering that than community servers were.
Post by: Leafsnail on July 14, 2016, 10:47:35 am
Post by: hops on July 14, 2016, 11:44:33 pm
So weirdly enough, it seems that in Thailand the shift to community had eliminated most of the cancerous mod servers.
Post by: hops on July 19, 2016, 09:43:34 am
Also scouts are now a lot easier to deal with. I am the god of shotgun.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 17, 2016, 05:16:54 pm
Post by: Xeron on August 17, 2016, 05:30:20 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 17, 2016, 05:46:45 pm
quickplay is still goneWith these promised changes, the only remaining quickplay features missing from casual are autobalance and the ability to spectate or switch teams. Unless you miss those features that much, quickplay is gone in name only.
Post by: Xeron on August 17, 2016, 06:21:50 pm
Oh sure, you have *casual* except it's nothing like TF2, it's just training wheels for competitive tryharding.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 17, 2016, 06:32:33 pm
Oh, and if you feel more salty about losing in casual than in pubs, then you may realize that you yourself are too invested in your shiny new XP value. If that is the case, try playing a couple games dicking around on purpose. It'll help you distance yourself from your XP.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 17, 2016, 08:55:01 pm
Post by: Xeron on August 17, 2016, 11:48:11 pm
I'm pissed that if I take longer than most to load I'm holding the entire back.
I like the way it used to be, pop in and out. Don't like this particular map ? No problem, here's this other Valve server with said map. And so on.
Edit: Leafsnail, player reports are now a thing, prepare to be reported for breathing wrong.
Post by: Reudh on August 18, 2016, 12:34:54 am
I'm pissed that I spend 5 minutes in matchmaking, trying to get to a server and it won't make a single match.
I'm pissed that if I take longer than most to load I'm holding the entire back.
I like the way it used to be, pop in and out. Don't like this particular map ? No problem, here's this other Valve server with said map. And so on.
Edit: Leafsnail, player reports are now a thing, prepare to be reported for breathing wrong.
Player reports have always been a thing.
Post by: MrWiggles on August 18, 2016, 05:34:07 am
Post by: Leafsnail on August 18, 2016, 07:22:14 am
Really I think the new system leads to a better gameplay experience than the old one even with the obvious mistakes in its implementation. The removal of autobalance and the fact that good players can't all stack onto one team like they always used to is enough to do that.
Post by: miauw62 on August 18, 2016, 08:03:31 am
None of this would have been a problem if Valve's head hadn't been so far up their ass that they couldn't just add XP to valve servers.
Also, casual ENCOURAGES teamstacking. Party up with a bunch of people and never, ever get balanced to the other team. They should have fixed autobalance. All of the features currently in casual should have been in a month ago, when MyM was released, and yet it's still terrible.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 18, 2016, 09:03:27 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 18, 2016, 09:21:06 am
Post by: Leafsnail on August 18, 2016, 09:34:43 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 18, 2016, 10:04:38 am
and anyway, teamstackers won't get separated from eachother in the first place in casual mode, because they're in a party.
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 18, 2016, 02:33:10 pm
well yeah, and all the good players instantly switching wasn't my experience on quickplay. and even though it sometimes happened, systems could have very well been put into place to make it harder.
and anyway, teamstackers won't get separated from eachother in the first place in casual mode, because they're in a party.
Teamstacker seems like a poor word choice there, it seems you're just talking about people being in a party. I'd define stacking teams as what happens when a good player speculates on which team is going to win and switches to it, which is impossible in casual (from what people have said here anyway, I haven't tried it). Also, autobalance breaking up actively stacked teams never happened, because a person could join spectator and wait a couple minutes to switch to the winning team again.
One thing that I think would bother me about casual (though I'll probably never try it while the server browser exists, I never trusted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TikZhPF8hZI) quickplay either) would be not being able to switch onto the losing team. Those are the fun matches, when you get to actually turn things around, and as much as people complained about getting autobalanced, I think I almost always ended up glad when it happened to me. Seeing your teammates winning with their minisentries and heavies and plastic-tier puff pyros, so cock sure, and not being able to shit in their milkshake, that would drive me crazy.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 21, 2016, 08:46:25 pm
Really the votekick menu should just have the player's class and score on it so they know to kick the 120 point sniper rather than the 25 point soldier
e: also the actual vote menu that comes up should have it.
Post by: Egan_BW on August 21, 2016, 11:44:10 pm
Post by: IcyTea31 on August 22, 2016, 12:56:47 am
Post by: Leafsnail on August 22, 2016, 07:55:04 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 22, 2016, 11:05:31 am
The problem players were usually those that were playing together anyway. And still, this could have been implemented with more rigid conditions to switch teams without completely fucking up the way most players played the game.well yeah, and all the good players instantly switching wasn't my experience on quickplay. and even though it sometimes happened, systems could have very well been put into place to make it harder.
and anyway, teamstackers won't get separated from eachother in the first place in casual mode, because they're in a party.
Teamstacker seems like a poor word choice there, it seems you're just talking about people being in a party. I'd define stacking teams as what happens when a good player speculates on which team is going to win and switches to it, which is impossible in casual (from what people have said here anyway, I haven't tried it). Also, autobalance breaking up actively stacked teams never happened, because a person could join spectator and wait a couple minutes to switch to the winning team again.
One thing that I think would bother me about casual (though I'll probably never try it while the server browser exists, I never trusted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TikZhPF8hZI) quickplay either) would be not being able to switch onto the losing team. Those are the fun matches, when you get to actually turn things around, and as much as people complained about getting autobalanced, I think I almost always ended up glad when it happened to me. Seeing your teammates winning with their minisentries and heavies and plastic-tier puff pyros, so cock sure, and not being able to shit in their milkshake, that would drive me crazy.
And I never used quickplay either. I always just looked for valve servers with the server browser.
Post by: hops on August 23, 2016, 03:45:16 pm
Post by: Lukewarm on August 23, 2016, 09:45:36 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on August 23, 2016, 09:58:06 pm
Post by: Lukewarm on August 23, 2016, 10:05:28 pm
It was a scout, fully kitted out with cosmetics. Skins, stranges, the whole nine yards. Someone with enough expendable income to blow, and enough time to get very good or have as-of-yet undetected hacks.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 23, 2016, 10:08:55 pm
I do think that CTF maps are more vulnerable to being dominated by one good player (and are kindof bad in general for other reasons).
Post by: Egan_BW on August 23, 2016, 10:11:20 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 23, 2016, 10:27:15 pm
I have no idea why it got made an official map, though. There's just so little to it, even aesthetically.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 23, 2016, 10:30:41 pm
In general it's really hard to score on CTF maps unless one team is very dominant, I guess that's what makes them appeal as a "deathmatch" option.
Post by: Egan_BW on August 23, 2016, 10:39:46 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on August 23, 2016, 10:50:11 pm
Post by: Reudh on August 24, 2016, 12:41:01 am
Actually thinking about it the ammo distribution is terrible.
Yeah, two boxes a side, one normal, one small I think. Engineers are an absolute necessity on Turbine for that reason.
Post by: miauw62 on August 24, 2016, 02:02:22 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 24, 2016, 02:38:41 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on August 24, 2016, 03:09:28 pm
I think you could solve it just by making the timer a bit shorter.
Post by: miauw62 on August 24, 2016, 05:23:49 pm
The best games are always the ridiculously frantic games between slightly-worse-than-the-best teams, like Spanked vs Crowns at Dreamhack. That was a beautiful, beautiful game.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 25, 2016, 04:23:44 am
Post by: miauw62 on August 25, 2016, 04:50:48 am
And if you reduce the time, people will purposefully stall more often, since it obviously becomes easier to get that reset.
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 25, 2016, 01:58:44 pm
But then valve goes and does the opposite like doubling badlands last cap time, and you just have to throw your hands up and hope the random number generator that dictates valve's balance decisions goes the right way next time.
Post by: miauw62 on August 26, 2016, 01:44:17 pm
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 26, 2016, 03:06:59 pm
Edit:
Jesus christ on a bike that process match, watching those uncivilized australians pound froyo like it's the last days of rome, I can't even believe it. It's like the froyboys had to be reminded that this isn't a stalemate simulator.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 26, 2016, 04:39:07 pm
But then valve goes and does the opposite like doubling badlands last cap time, and you just have to throw your hands up and hope the random number generator that dictates valve's balance decisions goes the right way next time.I think that's a reasonable decision for pubs. They can use a different version of the map in tournaments if needed.
Post by: miauw62 on August 28, 2016, 07:13:52 am
also mike = god
E:
insomnia is a joy to watch because the casters are so great
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Grats to the winners,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: WealthyRadish on August 28, 2016, 04:00:57 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on August 28, 2016, 04:17:01 pm
In less good news the Short Circuit is currently so broken that it renders the game barely playable. I guess I still have DeGroot Keep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=easeo6NZ7jA
Post by: miauw62 on August 28, 2016, 04:23:13 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on August 28, 2016, 04:30:27 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 28, 2016, 09:07:03 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 28, 2016, 10:28:22 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=easeo6NZ7jA"engie stop that or report"
The sad thing is, can you really report someone for using a vanilla gun as intended, AKA shooting it? (that's a trick question you can report for anything)
Post by: miauw62 on August 29, 2016, 05:42:24 am
but its not the wrangler soits better than the wrangler it basically means that your gun cant be spammed out ever
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 29, 2016, 08:54:15 am
but its not the wrangler soits better than the wrangler it basically means that your gun cant be spammed out ever
what about those pesky weapons that shoot bullets
Post by: MagmaMcFry on August 29, 2016, 09:29:01 am
Post by: hops on October 15, 2016, 05:28:36 am
https://vanilla.tf/
It's a TF2 pub replacement.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 21, 2016, 03:01:22 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 21, 2016, 04:37:48 pm
Scream Fortress has launched!?
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 21, 2016, 04:43:51 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 21, 2016, 04:49:33 pm
Might do that then.
Post by: miauw62 on October 22, 2016, 04:01:03 am
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 22, 2016, 04:14:08 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on October 22, 2016, 10:21:58 am
Same as last year. Gotta collect souls and do Merasmissions for your Soul Gargoyle. There's not even a comic.And the missions are kinda broken.
My computer is not with me right now so I cannot participate in Scream Fortress :(o_o
*hugs*
Post by: Reudh on October 22, 2016, 10:50:37 am
Post by: miauw62 on October 22, 2016, 03:47:35 pm
Post by: Reudh on October 22, 2016, 11:34:38 pm
gotta get with the times, having a clean, straightforward game experience is outdated :^]
I just uploaded this. Blegh. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU6TG_FIKm0)
Post by: hops on October 23, 2016, 02:18:24 am
https://vanilla.tf
Post by: AzyWng on December 22, 2016, 11:05:14 am
And it isn't terrible.
Post by: Jar of Jam on December 22, 2016, 01:23:57 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on December 22, 2016, 03:59:21 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on December 22, 2016, 04:24:32 pm
Post by: taat on December 22, 2016, 05:17:17 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 23, 2016, 02:33:44 pm
So, uh, there's a new rebalance and voting system that's been added to Casual matchmaking...Only took them half a year! Wow! Thanks valve! :/
And it isn't terrible.
Post by: AzyWng on December 23, 2016, 09:12:37 pm
Valve time, that's not actually half-bad.So, uh, there's a new rebalance and voting system that's been added to Casual matchmaking...Only took them half a year! Wow! Thanks valve! :/
And it isn't terrible.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 23, 2016, 11:10:47 pm
Valve seem quite intent on not adding any actual new content, which makes me really hope that they have a TF3 or something up their sleeves.TF3? But...They can't count to three.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on December 23, 2016, 11:16:39 pm
Valve time, that's not actually half-bad.
For those of us that aren't all about valve memes, that's just bad tho.
Post by: miauw62 on December 24, 2016, 11:36:00 am
no, it's fucking awful. the game was made fucking awful for six months, it still isnt fixed, there hasnt been any sort of rollback, apology, or even an acknowledgement that they fucked up.Valve time, that's not actually half-bad.So, uh, there's a new rebalance and voting system that's been added to Casual matchmaking...Only took them half a year! Wow! Thanks valve! :/
And it isn't terrible.
if they were going to make the system this fucking broken they should have just rolled back the update, but they didnt because at valve everyone is a special snowflake and reverting that steaming pile of shit would have hurt somebody's feelings.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 24, 2016, 02:22:37 pm
Post by: miauw62 on December 25, 2016, 01:54:58 pm
Post by: Iceblaster on December 25, 2016, 05:34:57 pm
Post by: LASD on December 27, 2016, 09:13:44 pm
So, they fixed every problem I had with it and thankfully I play the game every 6 months or so anyway, so wasn't too annoyed for the wait.
Playing the game reminded me of how much Overwatch owes to TF2 and how much Blizzard managed to streamline it even further. Swapping weapons is pretty much the least fun thing to do in a team-based shooter. And ubercharges are exciting and a ton of fun, except when you get killed at 90%, so adding an uber to everyone that doesn't reset on death is a pretty smart thing to do.
Also, considering rollbacks: Valve will fix everything they add and I for one would even rather run a game to the ground on my own terms than be unable to do anything because of a fanbase that is scared of change. Considering TF2 started as just one neat addition in a pile of games, became one of the first games-as-a-service, then successfully turned F2P, I'm sort of amazed that TF2 fans don't trust Valve to figure out anything.
Then again, I left a negative review on TF2 half a year ago after playing it for 7 years. Just to stomp on a single decision done on one of my favorite games ever.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 27, 2016, 11:10:26 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on December 28, 2016, 12:06:34 am
And I kinda disagree that weapon switching isn't fun. Switching to something that better suits the moment-to-moment situation is one of the more exciting moments that TF2 has to offer.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on December 28, 2016, 12:08:11 am
Post by: Egan_BW on December 28, 2016, 12:10:07 am
Post by: miauw62 on December 28, 2016, 11:17:59 am
I think you're overreacting. I just played today and honestly, I found a game way faster than I could with the previous set up. I could be the cancer on TF2, but whatever. I think maaaaaybe you're 'everyone is a speshul snowflake' comment is a bit uncalled for. If everything that went slightly wrong was rolled back when someone complained, we'd still have only six maps and no alternate guns.Server browser has always been quick enough for me.
I got incredibly annoyed by the first Casual Mode changes half a year ago, but now the mode is exactly what I wanted it to be: slightly matchmade Quick Play, with map votes, team balancing and not too serious TF2 action.They made it more serious and removed the drop-in-drop-out gameplay I loved. No team balancing, STILL RANDOM CRITS. It was basically complete bullshit.
So, they fixed every problem I had with it and thankfully I play the game every 6 months or so anyway, so wasn't too annoyed for the wait.
Playing the game reminded me of how much Overwatch owes to TF2 and how much Blizzard managed to streamline it even further. Swapping weapons is pretty much the least fun thing to do in a team-based shooter. And ubercharges are exciting and a ton of fun, except when you get killed at 90%, so adding an uber to everyone that doesn't reset on death is a pretty smart thing to do.
Also, considering rollbacks: Valve will fix everything they add and I for one would even rather run a game to the ground on my own terms than be unable to do anything because of a fanbase that is scared of change. Considering TF2 started as just one neat addition in a pile of games, became one of the first games-as-a-service, then successfully turned F2P, I'm sort of amazed that TF2 fans don't trust Valve to figure out anything.
Then again, I left a negative review on TF2 half a year ago after playing it for 7 years. Just to stomp on a single decision done on one of my favorite games ever.
And this isn't "afraid of change". Am I wrong for being mad that Valve fucked up my entire game with no warning and then didn't fix it? Nobody asked for Casual, any advantage could have EASILY been implemented into quickplay as it existed.
I don't trust the new crew with anything because they fucked up competitive, basically not changing it at all from beta, then they fucked up quickplay for no reason, then they weren't even able to make a working Halloween update. This isn't the Valve that made the TF2 I love. Fuckup after fuckup without any semblance of apology doesn't exactly give me confidence. I used to trust in them, but MyM was the end of that.
Post by: Iceblaster on December 28, 2016, 11:54:37 am
Team balancing is still a thing. It just avoids the pitfalls of putting you on a losing team simply because they're unbalanced. Sure, it makes it less common for teams to be balanced, but you'd still complain about team balancing putting you on losing teams if it stayed the same.
Random crits keeps people from being soley based on skill. I realize it's luck, but honestly it's never bothered me to the point of rage. Maybe 'oh darn that soldier got me with a crit rocket', but most of the time I barely notice the random crits. It's almost as if you're overreacting to something minor in the game. I realize you're angry at the changes, but have you given them a fair chance without going in thinking 'this is going to be bad and it is bad therefore i will go and confirm my angryness'?
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 28, 2016, 01:23:36 pm
The ideal would've been to have a period of concerted development where they put some resources into the game to at least try to resolve the lingering problems like random crits, hit detection, pyro mojo, the worst of the balance issues, and of course matchmaking. If they did that, they could then go completely hands-off with community cosmetic updates around the holidays and the game could survive indefinitely as a game worth playing and taking seriously.
Instead they tried to stick to the old moneymaking formula on an even more shoestring budget, and the damage from that is showing. I remember the seemingly bottomless good-will valve had with players, and they seem to have more or less pissed away the entirety of it. Looking at TF2 in the state that it's in, I'm frankly embarassed to have played as much of it as I did; I used to feel confident when speaking with people about it that it is in fact an excellent game even if first impressions indicate it's cartoony F2P garbage, but now I don't think I can make that argument. It's been too long, and the developers themselves clearly don't think it's anything more than that.
Post by: LASD on December 28, 2016, 02:50:06 pm
I believe you may want to update that review.I thought the same and did that right after posting!
Also, random crits have some good design ideas behind them. The way they scale with damage make amazing kill streaks where everything seems to go your way possible. They also give players a chance to beat someone who is more skilled than they are. If you ever had the satisfaction of hitting a crit rocket on the player that has been absolutely crushing you all game, you know what I mean. They become increasingly an annoyance the more you play the game, but for the first few dozens of hours, they are part of creating some of the highest highs that players then get hooked on.
Post by: Iceblaster on December 28, 2016, 02:55:02 pm
Because I mean. I've never gotten annoyed at a random crit. Maybe I'm too casual a player, but it's never been too much of a problem.
Post by: miauw62 on December 28, 2016, 03:37:27 pm
You can still do drop in drop out gameplay. The imaginary experience points aren't going to make you unable to play anymore.how so? i need to go through a loading screen every time a round ends, i cant just keep playing as long as i like.
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Team balancing is still a thing. It just avoids the pitfalls of putting you on a losing team simply because they're unbalanced. Sure, it makes it less common for teams to be balanced, but you'd still complain about team balancing putting you on losing teams if it stayed the same.no it doesn't. people leave losing teams, so youll always have a higher chance of matchmaking into a losing team. also, there are ways to fix autobalance without this bullshit
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Random crits keeps people from being soley based on skill. I realize it's luck, but honestly it's never bothered me to the point of rage. Maybe 'oh darn that soldier got me with a crit rocket', but most of the time I barely notice the random crits.random crits are bullshit. it's you suddenly dying just because rng said so. they dont help newer players because you get more of them as you do more damage. but oh, im SURE that 5 people dying because some dude randomly got a shiny rocket and then them losing the game makes it so much more fun. maybe random crits were neccessary to spice up gameplay BACK IN 2007. theyre not in the current tf2. fuck, i wouldnt even mind if new players scaled inversely with the amount of damage you dealt. i mean, i would still be angry that they even exist, but i wouldnt be as angry at their existence. if you're on a huge streak you usually dont need crits.
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It's almost as if you're overreacting to something minor in the game. I realize you're angry at the changes, but have you given them a fair chance without going in thinking 'this is going to be bad and it is bad therefore i will go and confirm my angryness'?i've given them a fair chance, and they weren't fun. how much unfun games do i have to endure to have the right to critcise valve? i waited for things to get better, but then valve didnt actually do shit to fix it, or they did it far too late. maybe you're just sucking up to valve so much without thinking about things that could be bad about the changes? also, random crits are bullshit and have affected me plenty in my 2000 hours.
and in the end, what fucking advantage does casual even give??? it has so many disadvantages, but i've never seen what it's actually supposed to achieve.
Post by: Iceblaster on December 28, 2016, 03:50:16 pm
i've given them a fair chance, and they weren't fun. how much unfun games do i have to endure to have the right to critcise valve?
I never said you didn't have a right to criticize it. I only said that you should give the new system a chance before saying it's shit and broken. You're putting words into my mouth by implying that.
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 28, 2016, 04:15:51 pm
Things like random crits and damage spread are only not bad for new players because they don't understand how the game works yet. As soon as this hypothetical new player turns on damage numbers and realizes that most crits are completely random, the stupidity of the system becomes self-evident, even if they're at a skill level where they on average benefit from the mechanic. Even a completely green player, who has never used a computer before and whose inputs are being relayed by carrier pigeon, will still get killed by random crits and be irritated by it, because it's a fundamentally irritating experience.
Post by: Leafsnail on December 28, 2016, 05:53:58 pm
Post by: scourge728 on August 01, 2017, 10:07:12 pm
So, how do you guys like x100 and x1000 mode, I think there fun, but wish we had some running actual maps, or really anything other than highertower or orange maps
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 01, 2017, 10:14:37 pm
adding (even) more zeroes to everything doesn't sound like it makes the joke any funnier though.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on August 01, 2017, 10:27:39 pm
Post by: Megawott06 on October 19, 2017, 11:25:04 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 19, 2017, 08:12:32 pm
I'm not hyped about using it, I'm hyped about feeding some more kills to my 23,000 kill Strange Direct Hit :) God I hope the Jet Pack boost counts as 'blast jumping' as far as the minicrit bonus goes.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 19, 2017, 08:30:37 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 19, 2017, 09:30:00 pm
Post by: Rose on October 20, 2017, 12:50:46 am
(https://www.cosplayhouse.com/var/images/product/390.600/D/2-7264.jpg)
Post by: MCreeper on October 20, 2017, 02:59:46 am
Post by: Reudh on October 20, 2017, 06:26:23 am
Shotgun, reserve shooter pyros counter jetpack pyros
jetpack pyros counter snoiper more heavily than before, because they don't have to gimp themselves nearly as hard with the detonator to access sniping positions
heavy will probably cope a little better, a relatively linear burst of air acceleration is probably going to be easier to aim at than a jumpy scout or a soldier.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 20, 2017, 11:08:24 am
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 20, 2017, 11:36:47 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 20, 2017, 12:40:37 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 20, 2017, 05:37:00 pm
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 20, 2017, 06:06:19 pm
Post by: Reudh on October 20, 2017, 10:23:45 pm
I love how actually Pyro's been secretly nerfed a lot in the change notes. Afterburn got nerfed, Reserve Shooter has turned against Pyro, snipers have another anti-Pyro option, projectile airblast got nerfed (there's much less room to aim, you can only airblast things almost directly away from you), and Pyro's hard counter Heavy has been pretty heavily buffed with that spin-up change.
Heavy desperately needed that buff too. Projectile airblast hitboxes were ridiculous as they were; sigsegv had a video demonstrating how it is entirely possible to reflect a rocket fired at your back if you airblast at a specific angle.
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 21, 2017, 01:52:53 am
And while I believe it might simply be the improvements to flame's hit detection, direct flaming is just goddamn powerful now. The Dragon's Fury consecutive shots is incredible DPS as well, melting my fully overhealed heavy pockets in seconds. Moreover, the fast consecutive shots deals good damage to buildings too.
Moreover, and I can't tell if it was just me making a mistake or not because I wasn't recording my footage, but a pyro's crits melted right through my flame resistant vaccinator bubble, which should have rendered me immune to the crits, but I died to the crit damage regardless. I'm so mystified as to what happened.
So yeah, for years I took the pyro to almost be something of a joke class that existed to feed my stranges, but now I might actually have to take them seriously from now on.
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 21, 2017, 10:35:17 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 21, 2017, 10:39:34 am
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 21, 2017, 12:01:39 pm
Post by: scourge728 on October 21, 2017, 01:07:52 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 21, 2017, 03:57:40 pm
Post by: scourge728 on October 21, 2017, 04:32:44 pm
Post by: MagmaMcFry on October 21, 2017, 05:48:26 pm
Also I've noticed now that autobalance was absent from the update, and that's actually the only thing I actually wanted TF2 to have an update for.
E: Also shorter waiting times between matches, also Valve servers in the server browser.
Post by: IronTomato on October 23, 2017, 01:11:48 pm
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 23, 2017, 01:50:33 pm
On a scale of 1 to 0 was the update worth the weight?
0, heavy is on a path to be less heavy with all these bananas.
Post by: AzyWng on October 23, 2017, 06:40:44 pm
Post by: Reudh on October 24, 2017, 04:21:14 am
Come on Valve, I really, really want to play Jungle Inferno!
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 24, 2017, 01:38:09 pm
What about the cheese?
I painted my black box to be like a cow but unlike a real cow it seems unable to produce milk/cheese.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 24, 2017, 02:18:05 pm
Yeah, I just can't get into a game at all. I can still join community servers, but the Aus ones are all shit, they're either ad-heavy or are 24/7 hightower. Last time I tried I queued for 54 minutes, no game.Did they ever deal with the roving band of australian hackers I kept hearing about?
Come on Valve, I really, really want to play Jungle Inferno!
Also, its kind of funny the Australian servers suck. Maybe if they had fixed that Muselk wouldn't have moved on to Overwatch and given their competitor a bunch of free advertising...
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 24, 2017, 03:07:44 pm
Maybe Muselk wouldn't have moved on to Overwatch
It was inevitable
Post by: Reudh on October 24, 2017, 07:56:18 pm
Yeah, I just can't get into a game at all. I can still join community servers, but the Aus ones are all shit, they're either ad-heavy or are 24/7 hightower. Last time I tried I queued for 54 minutes, no game.Did they ever deal with the roving band of australian hackers I kept hearing about?
Come on Valve, I really, really want to play Jungle Inferno!
Also, its kind of funny the Australian servers suck. Maybe if they had fixed that Muselk wouldn't have moved on to Overwatch and given their competitor a bunch of free advertising...
The roving band of hackers are still at it, as far as I know. I haven't seen them in game, because I haven't been able to get in game.
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 24, 2017, 08:09:10 pm
Post by: scourge728 on October 24, 2017, 08:13:33 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 25, 2017, 01:05:40 am
Not that I'm complaining about the support they gave to TF2 considering its ridiculous lifespan, its just frustrating to see them move on before the community has.
Post by: Leafsnail on October 25, 2017, 12:44:36 pm
Post by: EnigmaticHat on October 25, 2017, 12:47:39 pm
I see what you're saying. Its just that I liked Valve for their casual FPSs (HL, TF2, L4D2, I suppose we could count the portal series). That's not what they are any more. Granted, I respect what they're doing with Steam and by pushing VR. And I liked DOTA before that giant update that kinda messed it up.
Post by: misko27 on October 25, 2017, 01:40:15 pm
If nothing else, the party system shipped with the update is a vast improvement over the previous iteration in my opinion. There are still a few kinks that are pretty annoying, but the relative level of improvement is huge.
You can turn contracts in and still complete the bonuses now. So there's no reason not to turn it in, get your Gas Passer, and then finish up the bonuses. It's not 'Turn it in and you're done' like it was before.If this is true, you have my thanks.
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 25, 2017, 02:00:43 pm
Just hire more people? Lord knows there can't be a shortage of people wanting to work at Valve. hire me please Valve, I love you
I see what you're saying. Its just that I liked Valve for their casual FPSs (HL, TF2, L4D2, I suppose we could count the portal series). That's not what they are any more. Granted, I respect what they're doing with Steam and by pushing VR. And I liked DOTA before that giant update that kinda messed it up.
Valve's business model is more art studio than business. They have a pool of people with talents and they're basically free to pursue whatever project actually interests them.
Post by: JoshuaFH on March 29, 2018, 08:43:19 am
Maybe I'll actually boot up the game a play a little bit.
Post by: Reudh on March 29, 2018, 09:03:28 am
Update to TF2. You'll notice a guy named Sketchek is mentioned, and that alone restores all my faith in the TF2 team. He was a guy that was a MAGICAL pyro player, but he died of cancer and seeing his name being honored makes me feel fuckin warm and tingly inside.
Maybe I'll actually boot up the game a play a little bit.
For real!? Aww, that's awesome. I loved watching Sketchek do his insane pyro tricks, and i was saddened when he announced he was terminal. Glad to see the TFTeam mention him.