I'm busy next week hanging out with a friend.
Actually, only sorta in depending on when this starts as I'm busy next week hanging out with a friend.
I think I'll start this on Thursday or Friday. Maybe close signups Thursday, start on Friday?Does the start time work well for you?
Eeeehhhh, that's about the time they're gonna be here, so not particularly, but I'll play (a small amount) if there's not enough players without me.Actually, only sorta in depending on when this starts as I'm busy next week hanging out with a friend.I think I'll start this on Thursday or Friday. Maybe close signups Thursday, start on Friday?Does the start time work well for you?
welp, consider this a low effort inIt's ok, I only plan to try hard to get recruited by the cult...
A bit busy at the moment but might be up for mafia in a week or two, and specifically would play this game if it was on offer.How do you feel about Monday?
Monday would be fine!Official notice I'm starting Monday, then. Want to submit a concept over PM?
Have done. Question: are we asked to play to win, or to our primary win condition?Play to win, according to your win condition. If your win condition appears inviable, you don't have to give up on the game. I'm making sure there's at least a fighting chance against the cults, though.
Sounds like we're getting a Town Arsonist!Have done. Question: are we asked to play to win, or to our primary win condition?Play to win, according to your win condition. If your win condition appears inviable, you don't have to give up on the game. I'm making sure there's at least a fighting chance against the cults, though.
I don’t want to see this fail. In.
I'm tired of cults.
I hate dealing with cults.
I hate cults.
I hate dealing with conversion.
I'd never join a Cult Mafia game.
I hate cult games
I am going to need multiple spreadsheets for this abomination of a game.
Sad to tell you this Knightwing, but even college kids these days are expected to learn how to use spreadsheets. Best study up early for an easy computer sciences class. Yes it makes no sense, no you can't get out of it, and yes college is still an expensive waste of money, go to trade school.I am going to need multiple spreadsheets for this abomination of a game.
omg, you’re like a quadrillion years old 0.0
How do you process Nights?I am going to need multiple spreadsheets for this abomination of a game.
omg, you’re like a quadrillion years old 0.0
Can you believe I didn't use spreadsheets until my most recent gameI didn't until I killed the wrong Player while processing. Now I do, plus, I can filter Actions and easily process things.
Like, at all
It's just so much easier, now that I see it, to put players into neat rows and columns.
I am going to need multiple spreadsheets for this abomination of a game.
omg, you’re like a quadrillion years old 0.0
Egan_BW (0):
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
notquitethere (0):
NJW2000 (0):
Toaster (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
webadict (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting (11): Egan_BW, EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, Knightwing64, Maximum Spin, notquitethere, NJW2000, Toaster, ToonyMan, TricMagic, webadict
(Reference) {AP0} (Single, 1-Shot, Night) Hot Dog [self]: You eat a big hot dog, and gain 1 AP this Night phase. This action is destroyed after use.
Jimnosis.Doesn’t work on everyone.
Jimnosis.
Jim confirmed town.
Nah it's not Jim. We're Masons.Jimnosis.
I can’t do this again
Jim
TricMagic who are you going to convert tonight?Oh... Let me check..
EganBW: how are you going to decide who you vote today?Depends on how seriously I decide to take this. For The moment I'm leaning towards just paying loose attention to the thread and figuring out who is scummy. I could make a high effort list again, but that's work and I'll just get converted anyway. If I want to win as town, which I do, then it's meta to look like an unappealing ally.
- This is a Fallacy game, so there will probably be some actually horrible roles*Raises hand.*
There are hats. This I know.- This is a Fallacy game, so there will probably be some actually horrible roles*Raises hand.*
I mean, could be worse. But it is all a bit overwhelming.
TricMagic who are you going to convert tonight?
You know... Interactions with and based on mechanics that you don't have references to is bad form, Fallacy. Just a note.
I'll note that I can modify Lucky Numbers... And that I also have no fucking clue what Lucky Numbers do, so if anyone would like to clarify, that would be greeeeeat.
Tric, I never apologised for trying to steal your hats in the last game. It didn't work, but I did attempt it, then I lied about what I'd done for the rest of the game (as town). So my apologies. But you're going to have to give a non-joke answer to my question:Pointless niceties. These comments should be said outside of the game, not during one!
Wasn't joking NQT~Tric, I never apologised for trying to steal your hats in the last game. It didn't work, but I did attempt it, then I lied about what I'd done for the rest of the game (as town). So my apologies. But you're going to have to give a non-joke answer to my question:Pointless niceties. These comments should be said outside of the game, not during one!
Toaster: I don’t think I’ve played with you. How would you describe your playstyle?
Wasn't joking NQT~Tric, I never apologised for trying to steal your hats in the last game. It didn't work, but I did attempt it, then I lied about what I'd done for the rest of the game (as town). So my apologies. But you're going to have to give a non-joke answer to my question:Pointless niceties. These comments should be said outside of the game, not during one!
The real question is, who is Jim gonna convert, and will we let them?
Pointless niceties.It's never bad to be good, Toony. I was being friendly.
Wasn't joking NQT~You didn't give me a name though :'(
The real question is, who is Jim gonna convert, and will we let them?Jim is town, so no one.
Webadict: Why are you selling us all hot dogs again?Because I'm a Crime Lord.
Jimnosis.
Jimnosis.
Jimnosis.
Suppose Toaster was right, you've been converted already.The real question is, who is Jim gonna convert, and will we let them?Jim is town, so no one.
How much do you think I believe you?Pointless niceties.It's never bad to be good, Toony. I was being friendly.
Toony: seriously though, what would you take into consideration before sharing info on what seems to be the AP economy?I don't think the colors are equal, based on the cost my abilities have.
Also, if you’re genuinely asking to be converted, that’s probably not playing for the win according to your wincon >:(
Given the colouring, I suspect the numbers have something to do with alignment. If there are actually masons, pink could be that, with red/green/purple traditionally meaning scum/town/cult. IIRC there should only be cults, but they could have different colours.
Not sure what the relationship would be, but the colours don’t feel like a coincidence.
Jim, you do that one more time and I'm voting you, because you absolutely submitted that as your conceptJimnosis.
- This is a Fallacy game, so there will probably be some actually horrible roles
Also, in true Miller fashion, I inspect as Mafia. You like the specifics of that? Now you have no idea if I'm lying!
For the record, as implied before, I have no idea what the numbers do. From what I can gather, we want the numbers high not low.
Because I'm a Crime Lord.
But, yes, I am the Hot Dog seller. I can give out even better hot dogs, as well! Anyone want some pre-mo dogs? This time there's only like a liiiittle bit of poison in them.
Jim, you do that one more time and I'm voting you, because you absolutely submitted that as your concept
I don't think the colors are equal, based on the cost my abilities have.
I'll share a little.
Jimnosis.
At a meta guess, Jim is Cult, Toony is Cult. Jim is being quite audacious in their actions, which isn't normal unless he's playing up the meme so we don't look too deeply into his actions once he actually starts playing. Toony is Cult because Hats.Wrong.
It's sorta early to say this...but Tric is probably town.Correct.
Care to vote me over it, Tric? :P
tonw tric??? pogThere are hats. This I know.- This is a Fallacy game, so there will probably be some actually horrible roles*Raises hand.*
I mean, could be worse. But it is all a bit overwhelming.
Egan: How do you tell who's been converted?If they act sussy, then they're bad men and should be ultrakilled to the full extent of the law.
Fun fact: I get TWO votes against anyone that votes me.ok euchrejack
So, unlike my normal play style, I'm gonna hammer hard on anyone that votes me (and that I think is Scummy).
So please @Toony, vote me. ;D
Web...I got "other ways" to deal with you...
I reckon cult conversion is probably a night time thing (so the town might have a chance of stopping it), so Jim, given that a town KnightWing
most probably wouldn't have been converted yet, you're voting him for being town.
Like, think it through, killing a town KW won't prevent another player from being converted in his stead, we'd just be killing someone on a hypothetical. Weak.
Here's my offer Cult: Recruit me tonight. I'm an invaluable asset and won't pretend I'm goody-two-shoes town like some less than respectable folk. While winning for town is my current wincon and I'll play that part, my abilities are probably extremely harmful and I just don't feel comfortable using them as town.
Sorry tric about brutally clawing you to death last time I've learned my lesson tric posting about hats = town tric.Every Tric is town Tric.
Fun fact: I get TWO votes against anyone that votes me.Rude, I'm not even scum! You can inspect m... oh right.
So, unlike my normal play style, I'm gonna hammer hard on anyone that votes me (and that I think is Scummy).
So please @Toony, vote me. ;D
Web...I got "other ways" to deal with you...
I don't think the colors are equal, based on the cost my abilities have.Well, you're in luck because I can modify Purple colors... downward. Do you want your numbers downward?
I'll share a little.
My AP costs involving Red are 0/0/0/1.
My AP costs involving Green are 0/0/1.
My AP costs involving Purple are 1/2.
My AP costs involving Pink are 1/2/3.
This tells me that Red and Green are weaker lucky numbers while Purple and Pink are probably stronger, since they cost more.
Makes sense. I guess if Jim's scum then he's mafia with Wuba. Since wuba claimed miller-mason.Okay, Egan's probably Town.
Makes sense. I guess if Jim's scum then he's mafia with Wuba. Since wuba claimed miller-mason.I know webadict was lying about being masons with Jim, because I am masons with both web and Jim separately.
Not like that means anything on day 2.
Okay, Egan's probably Town.
I'm not bad but many people will die if I become bad.ToonyMan is a bad man let's ultrakill ToonyMan immediately because Toonyman is bad.
Here's my offer Cult: Recruit me tonight. I'm an invaluable asset and won't pretend I'm goody-two-shoes town like some less than respectable folk. While winning for town is my current wincon and I'll play that part, my abilities are probably extremely harmful and I just don't feel comfortable using them as town.
Well, you're in luck because I can modify Purple colors... downward. Do you want your numbers downward?I can lower any color downward.
Correct.Makes sense. I guess if Jim's scum then he's mafia with Wuba. Since wuba claimed miller-mason.Okay, Egan's probably Town.
How many people have been entrusted with secret knowledge? I have an Info blurb that tells me what the green numbers do.I got shit.
i can be your angle or your devilDidn't you lose that one, to me?
You didn't gotta tell 'em that though so you're a badman. Just like I'm not telling them about the tactical nuke I have.I'm not bad but many people will die if I become bad.ToonyMan is a bad man let's ultrakill ToonyMan immediately because Toonyman is bad.
Here's my offer Cult: Recruit me tonight. I'm an invaluable asset and won't pretend I'm goody-two-shoes town like some less than respectable folk. While winning for town is my current wincon and I'll play that part, my abilities are probably extremely harmful and I just don't feel comfortable using them as town.
I weren't in that one.i can be your angle or your devilDidn't you lose that one, to me?
I like 0% believe you can't be converted and would say this as town on the off chance a Cult sees what you're laying down and converts the claimed "unconvertable".How many people have been entrusted with secret knowledge? I have an Info blurb that tells me what the green numbers do.I got shit.
But at least I can't be converted.
I also can't claim miller this time around because I WANT you people to inspect me. It'll be funny, I swear. Well, for me.
I'm still in favor of voting out Jim. That isn't likely to change even if they've given zero info one way or the other.Do you think Wuba is scum by extension? Do you believe that inspects on Wuba really would return "mafia"?
Egan: So ultrakill sussy baka converts even over senpai leader, uwu?
Man autocorrect had an aneurysm over that sentence.
I got shit.Hey, me too, Masonbuddy!
But at least I can't be converted.
I also can't claim miller this time around because I WANT you people to inspect me. It'll be funny, I swear. Well, for me.
I'm unlikely to be converted, so.. I'm of the opinion Jim should be voted out for his 4 chains of the same thing. Maybe he's stacking something...
I'm unlikely to be converted, so..
I guess I usually start off a game by reassuring everyone that I'm town and commenting on how I like my role, so let me just say... that I'm town. :|
Jim: Would you say Jamesnosis is better, worse, or about the same as an Army of Jimbots?
Out of an abundance of paranoia I don’t think I’m going to say that other word.
Jimnosis.
NJW: I haven’t yet seen anything that really gets my attention, but the day is young and I haven’t had time yet to dig.You were the only person only shitposting, as far as I could tell. Also this:
I’m hardly the only person shitposting: why am I the one being called out?
I tend to observe, shake down anything that doesn't sit right at first glance, then press what continues to feel bad.
I don't get the town rationale for claiming that, Web. If I were unflippable, I'd want to tank as many cult conversion attempts as possible. This plus the miller claim after recent discussions on the forum thet millers are never fake claimed gives us good reason to suspect Webadict here.With someone else this might be reasonable, but preposterous D1 fakeclaims are standard webadict. I'd say there's a 75% chance he walks back on it.
PfpThat's a weird accusation NQT. Why would my claiming that be less suspicious later on? If anything, it'd be completely unbelievable if I claimed that later. If anything, it should be useful to analyze my behavior today critically on whether that is useful for Cult.
Toaster, yes I recall now.
I don't get the town rationale for claiming that, Web. If I were unflippable, I'd want to tank as many cult conversion attempts as possible. This plus the miller claim after recent discussions on the forum thet millers are never fake claimed gives us good reason to suspect Webadict here.
Do you think Wuba is scum by extension? Do you believe that inspects on Wuba really would return "mafia"?If you believe they put a man on the moon (man on the moon);
I wouldn't share your Lucky Numbers. I think it's important to keep them high and we don't want scum knowing our numbers, though I don't know which color goes to each Lucky Number I can probably guess based on cost and value.Sorry, this is a mistake. I do know which of my lucky numbers goes to which color. I only read my PMs via email which displays everything in black, but they were in fact in color when I checked on Bay12.
it's just not my style, okayI guess I usually start off a game by reassuring everyone that I'm town and commenting on how I like my role, so let me just say... that I'm town. :|
Don't sound so disappointed.
At least with the Jimbots that's something I was responsible for. Jimnosis was thrust upon me despite me having nothing to do with it aside from executing a plan Maximum Spin came up with.Some are born Jims, some achieve Jimnosis, some have Jimnosis thrust upon 'em
Hey, me too, Masonbuddy!You told me that in Masonchat already!
I am also incapable of being converted.
Also, you think NJW is a Cult Leader? I think he's a Cult Leader.Could be. He doesn't seem to be too contributive. I'm not so sure about notquitethere, either.
various obvfake claims,I resent this implication.
I wish my role was powered by shitposting.*cough*
I would be shitposting much harder if it was.
I have a little more faith in Fallacy's ability to make a game than this. I'm going to assume for now that cult leaders can't convert one another. C'mon.
Are you perhaps aware that Cult has the inability to be converted by a different Cult?
Ahem.
If Maximum Spin is executed today, every player whose vote was on him when the execution is processed will receive a Boon.
Thank you for your patience.
Because otherwise I'm going to assume that was scum which makes me feel better about Max.This is painful to read Toonyman! You seem to be (willfully??) obscuring the fact that the mod has confirmed at least two scum teams. Scum want to take out rival cults more than they want to take out town, as I'm sure you are not so bumbling or oafish as to forget.
Ahem.
If Maximum Spin is executed today, every player whose vote was on him when the execution is processed will receive a Boon.
Thank you for your patience.
Ok, reread my last post again Toaster, specifically the first sentence.
Toaster, I'm just poking some bee hives here, playing casual on my phone. Not sure what about that is cult leaderish.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If 6 players hammered Max, given the generally more cautious nature of scum, we might expect 4+ town players to get a boon. Depending on how potent a boon is, that could be a very good thing. I'm going to see how Max acts for the rest of the day, but if there is going to be a Max elimination then I'll be in on it.ToonyMan wouldn't use this on Max. ToonyMan would use this on you. Or me. It'd be funnier if it were me, actually.Because otherwise I'm going to assume that was scum which makes me feel better about Max.This is painful to read Toonyman! You seem to be (willfully??) obscuring the fact that the mod has confirmed at least two scum teams. Scum want to take out rival cults more than they want to take out town, as I'm sure you are not so bumbling or oafish as to forget.
PFPHm... I don't see it. Personally, it seems like every other Town player missed out on WIFOMing the Cult by not claim Recruit immunity. Gonna be honest: Big mistake on their part. The best part is that I think claiming it is better when Max and Toony aren't Cult Leaders, which is what I believe here.
Toaster, I'm just poking some bee hives here, playing casual on my phone. Not sure what about that is cult leaderish.I have a little more faith in Fallacy's ability to make a game than this. I'm going to assume for now that cult leaders can't convert one another. C'mon.
Are you perhaps aware that Cult has the inability to be converted by a different Cult?
Obviously as NJW points out, you're a known liar— but here at least I don't see the town rationale for lying about this either. This isn't quite as bad as mafia-ally-Web but its not far off.
This is painful to read Toonyman! You seem to be (willfully??) obscuring the fact that the mod has confirmed at least two scum teams. Scum want to take out rival cults more than they want to take out town, as I'm sure you are not so bumbling or oafish as to forget.Are you saying you think scum think Max is also scum? Why should I listen to what scum think?
Hm... I don't see it. Personally, it seems like every other Town player missed out on WIFOMing the Cult by not claim Recruit immunity. Gonna be honest: Big mistake on their part. The best part is that I think claiming it is better when Max and Toony aren't Cult Leaders, which is what I believe here.The Cult(s) should definitely recruit me tonight.
And I definitely inspect as Mafia. Go on, investigate me and find out. Idk what to tell you.
Years ago when I first started playing mafia, experience hammered into me a certain procedural style. Like, not unvoting until your vote has been addressed. Not jumping all over the place. That sort of thing. Not because it made for more effective scum hunting necessarily, but because that's what players were looking for and you'd get in hot water if you were too lax. I suspect it was that. Like, me seeming to just take your word about Tric and then go vote someone else.Sure, I've noticed this in your games recently.
Jim, should you vote Toony for that post?Years ago when I first started playing mafia, experience hammered into me a certain procedural style. Like, not unvoting until your vote has been addressed. Not jumping all over the place. That sort of thing. Not because it made for more effective scum hunting necessarily, but because that's what players were looking for and you'd get in hot water if you were too lax. I suspect it was that. Like, me seeming to just take your word about Tric and then go vote someone else.Sure, I've noticed this in your games recently.
You may notice from my side that I don't like voting people for awhile on D1, like, at all.
This is because I don't think a vote matters when you vote someone else in your very next post.
Tric - probably town
Egan - probably town
NQT - probably town?
Max - more likely to be town if nobody claims the boon action, not a guarantee however I don't see a problem with play
Knightwing - don't know yet
Jack - don't know yet
Jim - jamesnosis
Toaster - maybe cult
Webadict - could be cult
NJW - could be cult
I would be surprised if there was cult inside Tric/Egan/NQT.
I am unsure but probably wouldn't be surprised if cult was inside Max/Knightwing/Jack.
I wouldn't be surprised if cult was inside Jim/Toaster/Web/NJW.
Did NQT slip knowing something he shouldn't? I didn't catch that.After re-reading I don't really understand.
It seems to be Toaster and then Web pointing this out. Let me see how I feel about this.
With someone else this might be reasonable, but preposterous D1 fakeclaims are standard webadict. I'd say there's a 75% chance he walks back on it.I can almost guarantee this.
Jim, should you vote Toony for that post?Tric you literally vote me every game I'm town and think I'm town in games I'm not.
Huh… interesting.It depends how much time you have until end of day. Early day, you use that info to hunt for the cult leader. Near end of day, just kill the fucking cultist you know.
Knightwing and EuchreJack I’ll extend the same question to you:
What is better: killing a known cultist or using that info to find the cult leader?
PFPHm, the anger seeps through this. I'm not really sure how to take that, since it is rare for NQT.
Toaster, I'm just poking some bee hives here, playing casual on my phone. Not sure what about that is cult leaderish.I have a little more faith in Fallacy's ability to make a game than this. I'm going to assume for now that cult leaders can't convert one another. C'mon.
Are you perhaps aware that Cult has the inability to be converted by a different Cult?
Obviously as NJW points out, you're a known liar— but here at least I don't see the town rationale for lying about this either. This isn't quite as bad as mafia-ally-Web but its not far off.
I don't get the town rationale for claiming that, Web. If I were unflippable, I'd want to tank as many cult conversion attempts as possible. This plus the miller claim after recent discussions on the forum thet millers are never fake claimed gives us good reason to suspect Webadict here.
If 6 players hammered Max, given the generally more cautious nature of scum, we might expect 4+ town players to get a boon. Depending on how potent a boon is, that could be a very good thing. I'm going to see how Max acts for the rest of the day, but if there is going to be a Max elimination then I'll be in on it.
Toaster's vote is like a 2/10.That Toaster vote is very much in line with Town Toaster, so its rating hardly matters to me.
You may notice from my side that I don't like voting people for awhile on D1, like, at all.I completely agree with this. That's why I never change my vote if I can help it.
This is because I don't think a vote matters when you vote someone else in your very next post.
Anyway, I'll let everyone know that I can kill people every other Night starting with NJW.Not me, though.
NJW2000:You were the only player ONLY SHITPOSTING. Everyone else was shitposting and contributing, you produced a post with nothing of worth in it when other people were claiming, assessing the setup, trying to catch other people out by sounding out information privilege, etc.Ok, reread my last post again Toaster, specifically the first sentence.Sooooo totally different definitions of shitposting. Got it.
Hm... I don't see it. Personally, it seems like every other Town player missed out on WIFOMing the Cult by not claim Recruit immunity. Gonna be honest: Big mistake on their part. The best part is that I think claiming it is better when Max and Toony aren't Cult Leaders, which is what I believe here.There's no WIFOM if everyone claims it, nimrod.
Okay I'm going to go ahead and lay this out now since I don't think sitting on it any longer is worth anything.
How NQT Slipped
Spin and Web (and a couple others) claim that, like me, they can't be converted. This is a smart thing to claim...
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NQT clearly does not get this.
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NQT is too good and too experienced to not know what's going on here. Not only does it slip past him, but he attacks Web for doing it and also for one of the flimsiest meta reasons I've ever seen; basically amounting to Gambler's Fallacy here. It's weak beyond weak.
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His interest in getting something for himself is suspicious here as well, especially when he [urlhttp://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181625.msg8475190#msg8475190]parks his vote on Spin[/url] for no other reason than "gonna get that cheddar."
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This isn't Smooth Analytical NQT. This is Scum Self Serving NQT wants to live to D2 NQT.
Jimnosis.
I can’t do this again
Jim
TricMagic who are you going to convert tonight?Oh... Let me check..
ruffles pages of a spellbook. around 200 to 400.
On that note, Jimnosis has been applied, prepare to be swarmed.
Nah it's not Jim. We're Masons.
Makes sense. I guess if Jim's scum then he's mafia with Wuba. Since wuba claimed miller-mason.I know webadict was lying about being masons with Jim, because I am masons with both web and Jim separately.
God this is gonna be funny when the game ends and everything I claimed is true.
EganBW: how are you going to decide who you vote today?Depends on how seriously I decide to take this. For The moment I'm leaning towards just paying loose attention to the thread and figuring out who is scummy. I could make a high effort list again, but that's work and I'll just get converted anyway. If I want to win as town, which I do, then it's meta to look like an unappealing ally.
There are hats. This I know.
At a meta guess, Jim is Cult, Toony is Cult. Jim is being quite audacious in their actions, which isn't normal unless he's playing up the meme so we don't look too deeply into his actions once he actually starts playing. Toony is Cult because Hats.
Jim, should you vote Toony for that post?
If 6 players hammered Max, given the generally more cautious nature of scum, we might expect 4+ town players to get a boon. Depending on how potent a boon is, that could be a very good thing. I'm going to see how Max acts for the rest of the day, but if there is going to be a Max elimination then I'll be in on it.
Fun fact: I get TWO votes against anyone that votes me.
So, unlike my normal play style, I'm gonna hammer hard on anyone that votes me (and that I think is Scummy).
You know what you call a player that is so afraid of getting two votes on them that they won't try to eliminate someone they allegedly suspect? Scum
I don't get the town rationale for claiming that, Web. If I were unflippable, I'd want to tank as many cult conversion attempts as possible. This plus the miller claim after recent discussions on the forum thet millers are never fake claimed gives us good reason to suspect Webadict here.
NQT is too good and too experienced to not know what's going on here. Not only does it slip past him, but he attacks Web for doing it and also for one of the flimsiest meta reasons I've ever seen; basically amounting to Gambler's Fallacy here. It's weak beyond weak.
Toaster case
Jimnosis.
town!NQT does make dumb or plodding errorsRude. I made a couple of mistakes in a very complicated game where I was juggling five different power sets and posting restrictions. I get no credit for the masses of right information I figure out and judgements I make. I'm not completely slapdash. Oh well, mustn't grumble... perhaps it's better to be underestimated.
I love fakeclaiming Miller because everyone should fakeclaim Miller until it becomes less of a Town confirmation, but until that happens, I'm claiming Miller regardless of whether I'm Miller or not Miller.Being honest, I'd vote you just for that.
PfpMaybe my problem with you is PoE, but I don't feel like that is a good enough defense for your vote. I do worse shit than Toaster, and it's defensible by meta, but Toaster does bad stuff and it's not? How is that an unbiased assessment?
@Tric Ok, sure, not everyone noticed it. It was more the “looks like no one else will be caught out by this so I’ll explain the slip” vibe, when it a) wasn’t a slip, just a failure to see something, and b) the “slip” was in any case not seeing the thing, so anyone who needed it explained would be halfway guilty of it themselves. But yes, it wasn’t immediately obvious what Toaster meant.
People seem to be suggesting that this is Toaster’s meta, but… weak scumhunting and exaggerated-to-the-point-of-falsehood scumhunting are two different things. And I’m seeing the latter.
Reads in half a dozen hours, posting on my lunch break.
I disagree with the last point too, this play really isn't in NQT's meta as town or scum, but town!NQT does make dumb or plodding errors and scum!NQT really knows when to STFU, so if anything this is town!NQT. I've been mafia with him though, so maybe Toaster just doesn't know his meta.I find this defense pretty convincing.
It's be GREAT if our lazy mod could tell us exactly how many votes is hammer...I suppose it’s fair to ask.
@NQT: How many votes you got on you?
I'd very much like to vote you, but am no looking to hammer you.
EuchreJack, I can't work out the deal with these threats you're making to double omgus people who vote you? Is that helpful?
I think it's helpful to me. If someone with less than 3 votes on them could vote me, I could give my info to town.@NQT: How many votes you got on you?
I'd very much like to vote you, but am no looking to hammer you.
Why do you want to OMGUS me instead of answering my question? That's not inclining me to unvote you!EuchreJack, I can't work out the deal with these threats you're making to double omgus people who vote you? Is that helpful?
Because to EuchreJack, his confirmation of his Ability is the same as his confirmation that he has not lied. Do not overthink his Actions.@NQT: How many votes you got on you?
I'd very much like to vote you, but am no looking to hammer you.
Why do you want to OMGUS me instead of answering my question? That's not inclining me to unvote you!EuchreJack, I can't work out the deal with these threats you're making to double omgus people who vote you? Is that helpful?
I am in agreement actually, but I do not think that Toaster thinks he is wrong about NQT. It may not be completely right, but his logic is internally consistent with how Toaster plays, and I am okay with NQT's removal as I think he is doing a thing where he votes everyone and then posts a giant list of observations related to each vote as a way to appear Townie. It's something I'd see him try as scum because it's active and requires a bit of effort, but it's not casebuilding on a single target.I disagree with the last point too, this play really isn't in NQT's meta as town or scum, but town!NQT does make dumb or plodding errors and scum!NQT really knows when to STFU, so if anything this is town!NQT. I've been mafia with him though, so maybe Toaster just doesn't know his meta.I find this defense pretty convincing.
I feel like NQT and Toony are taking joke votes as serious votes, which I think is pretty weird.Hm.
Also
Vote Jim
I am okay with NQT's removal as I think he is doing a thing where he votes everyone and then posts a giant list of observations related to each vote as a way to appear Townie. It's something I'd see him try as scum because it's active and requires a bit of effort, but it's not casebuilding on a single target.1. I'm pretty sure I've never done this as scum, though I grant you I have done some busy work things as scum. Maybe I've forgotten! Link or it didn't happen.
I feel like NQT and Toony are taking joke votes as serious votes, which I think is pretty weird.This is a pretty odd assessment of the game state, when the only person whose vote I took seriously that wasn't meant seriously was Jim's, which is who you're asking people to vote for...
It's something I'd see him try as scum
2. Is somewhat valid, but I don't think I'm being particularly tunnel-y, but I could perhaps see that from your perspective (and my defense can be that this is only 24 hours in as well). But, then, for me to accept this is to have you realize why I find your behavior suspicious or for you to find me suspicious. I see only these two posibilities.No I'm not saying you're being tunnely (though I guess you are), I'm saying you accusing me of not wanting to build a case in the first 24 hours of the day is absurd and unreasonable.
3. Is mostly invalid. I am postulating into what I think your game plan is, both because as scum you'd have to be willing to push past the mental barrier if you are to continue doing that, or in the offchance you actually explain why your shoving your hands in beehives, so that I have a better undersranding of why that is. It matters not which, because it's speculation, and it can be destroyed through rationale on your part, but you didn't give any rationale, so...?I clearly said I'd explain myself on D2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181625.msg8475190#msg8475190). You don't tip your hand before it's played. If I do end up doing something low effort then you're welcome to upbraid me about it.
NQT: One of your top town picks is voting the other. How does that make you feel?See:
town spend most of their time attacking town due to being the majority.
... so.. I'm not allowed to use my vote without presenting an ironclad case NQT?
TricMagic - slippery and vague. Current vote has no case associated, which is a big red flag. That full on role obsession town!tric often displays has yet t materialise.
SCUM
@NQT: ...You beat me to this point.
Okay.
So in a game.
With Cults.
Your plan is to wait until Day 2 to explain your plan.
Good plan! I see no flaws!
Do you see flaws!?
Scenario BYour scenarios aren't accounting for the one where you're a cult leader.
1. I act a certain way during day 1
2. Day 2, converted to the cult, I explain what I was trying to do as a town player on D1
But OK I'm obviously not seeing what you're seeing, explain to me the flaws. Then, as an additional challenge, explain to me why me not seeing your bespoke flaws is somehow indicative that I'm a cult leader.
Toony feels like he did in BYOR16, and that’s not a great place to be.Thanks for the compliment. I'm quite unreadable aren't I without mechanical inspections?
... NQT, you're alone aren't you? Truly alone. No allies to call on, no plans to plot, and you can't even rely on town to help you win. You've chosen a path where no one will help you, and that reflects in your actions. Rather than gathering info or choosing to lych someone, you're focused on a Day 2 that may never arrive. For mafia's sake, you're choosing me to push a lynch case on. That isn't a viable game plan. Hunt Cult, even if that results in you being hunted in turn, not this half-reasoned list.Tric you're so insufferable.
... so.. I'm not allowed to use my vote without presenting an ironclad case NQT?We've left the RVS phase. If you vote me without any reasons given then I am going to think you are scum.
... NQT, you're alone aren't you? Truly alone. No allies to call on, no plans to plot, and you can't even rely on town to help you win. You've chosen a path where no one will help you, and that reflects in your actions. Rather than gathering info or choosing to lych someone, you're focused on a Day 2 that may never arrive. For mafia's sake, you're choosing me to push a lynch case on. That isn't a viable game plan. Hunt Cult, even if that results in you being hunted in turn, not this half-reasoned list.Cute fanfic. Make a case. What do you think of Egan?
You beat me to this point.What point?
I was also going to add that in the game me and 4mask were masons I figured a NQT scumtell was when he promised good stuff if he survived to D2 or D3, which is what he did. And was scum. I can even link actual proof when I'm at a computer.If you do that then I'll link to a game where I did it as town. It's just something I do, it's not a tell.
Do you see why this looks bad NQT?I see why you think so, but I think if I claimed everything I was thinking and doing on D1 then you'd have other things to say about my play.
Your scenarios aren't accounting for the one where you're a cult leader.OK:
I think Toaster's assessment of this setup being two solo Cult Leaders is reasonable.I'd like to believe that, but I suspect it'll be more horrible than that.
Jimnosis.
2. The miller thing wasn't a gamblers fallacy thing, you definitely just misunderstood my point. Recently there has been a bunch of people pointing out (maybe it was Web maybe Shakerag, idk) that claiming miller is a good way to be seen as confirmed town. Web's the kind of player to fake claim milleras scum. That's all I'm saying there.As the other main proponent of this movement, I want to remind you that, so far, I have fakeclaimed miller as town, scum, and third-party, and I have explained why it's beneficial for all three, and not even just in a purely selfish way. Absolutely everyone should claim miller until its benefits have dwindled away from overuse.
People seem to be suggesting that this is Toaster’s meta, but… weak scumhunting and exaggerated-to-the-point-of-falsehood scumhunting are two different things. And I’m seeing the latter.I don't disagree with you, but like... I think that is Toaster's meta. I said something to this effect in the last game you weren't in (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181553.msg8469650#msg8469650). He doesn't seem to be a bad player in general, to me, but he sometimes gets mired in weird procedural points that probably don't matter. Incidentally, this same tactic is something notquitethere uses as mafia to justify an attack on someone, but I haven't seen Toaster do that.
ToonyWow scummy. Holding information hostage to stay alive.Not at all.
1. It's information in the vote record anyone can see.
2. No one else believes in this stuff but me, so who am I holding it hostage from?
3. The information is more useful to me if scum don't know to tailor their actions to what they think I'm looking for. 4mask can confirm this last point, as he's done exactly that before. I want to be able to perform the same analysis on D2, so I'm not sharing what exactly I'm looking for/what I'm including or discluding until another day has passed.
Also
Vote Jim
I think it's helpful to me. If someone with less than 3 votes on them could vote me, I could give my info to town.
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Jim Groovester - joke claims. Says he has info on purple numbers but isn't sharing. Very casual play, but for all the jokes is active and attentive.
I was also going to add that in the game me and 4mask were masons I figured a NQT scumtell was when he promised good stuff if he survived to D2 or D3, which is what he did. And was scum. I can even link actual proof when I'm at a computer.
Your scenarios aren't accounting for the one where you're a cult leader.
Jimnosis.
But there is no vote record...It's not about the votes, it's about the principle of witholding explanation until after everything has played out to not prejudice the results. You don't have to agree that this is good play, but you can't say that there are only scum reasons to do it.
I feel like not everyone, especially notquitethere, understands what EuchreJack is claiming, and I can see that web sees it, but he didn't clearly explain it. I was going to clearly explain it, but then I thought, is web not explaining it out of some kind of gambit? Maybe I should just leave it be.Reading back now...
Kind of an oddly ordered reads list from my perspective. I'd put Egan_BW and EuchreJack near the top rather than near the bottom like yours.Are either of them trying to catch the cults?
I'll share what I know but only if somebody else steps up to share what they know about the lucky numbers.Good job no one in this game thinks it's scmmy to withhold information, huh.
And I don't mean like ToonyMan whose abilities tinker with them, I mean somebody who knows what they represent.
Doesn't he do the same thing as town? I could've sworn that 'I only do my analysis on D2' is pretty standard notquitethere play regardless of alignment.Correct, as I linked to in my last post.
Reading back now...Hint: Jack said it in green.
But there is no vote record...It's not about the votes, it's about the principle of witholding explanation until after everything has played out to not prejudice the results. You don't have to agree that this is good play, but you can't say that there are only scum reasons to do it.I feel like not everyone, especially notquitethere, understands what EuchreJack is claiming, and I can see that web sees it, but he didn't clearly explain it. I was going to clearly explain it, but then I thought, is web not explaining it out of some kind of gambit? Maybe I should just leave it be.Reading back now...
Sighs. I'm not someone who always reveals everything day 1, and I'd like not to do so this game. Please don't push this?Tric, I'm not someone who reveals everything D1 either, but I do expect people to give a reason when they vote.
There’s a fair piece of difference between sitting on something for an RL day or so to let something shake out versus waiting until next Game Day to air something, especially if you flaunt that you’re holding something back.I'm not flaunting anything, I'm giving a clear timeline for accountability. Like I often do. Move on to something else Toaster, this ain't it.
Sighs. I'm not someone who always reveals everything day 1, and I'd like not to do so this game. Please don't push this?
Unconvertible Town is GREAT, so STFU.Sighs. I'm not someone who always reveals everything day 1, and I'd like not to do so this game. Please don't push this?Tric, I'm not someone who reveals everything D1 either, but I do expect people to give a reason when they vote.There’s a fair piece of difference between sitting on something for an RL day or so to let something shake out versus waiting until next Game Day to air something, especially if you flaunt that you’re holding something back.I'm not flaunting anything, I'm giving a clear timeline for accountability. Like I often do. Move on to something else Toaster, this ain't it.
Ohhh. So Euchrejack AND Webadict AND Max have all claimed to be unconvertible town. Seems unlikely they're all telling the truth.
Best case: they're town playing head games with scum.
Worst case: maybe the default cult conversion can kill rival cult members and this is a scum strategy to head that off.
Ohhh. So Euchrejack AND Webadict AND Max have all claimed to be unconvertible town. Seems unlikely they're all telling the truth.Don't forget Jim. We're the unconvertible kind of masons.
ughhhhhNothing serious has happened, it's just high comedy.
I'm tired, what's happening this game? I'm only vaguely technically skimming, but it looks like you're taking this seriously. Which is something I really really don't want to do.
PFP so no deep insight sorry"RVS" isn't a particularly useful concept here, in my opinion... we're not talking about votes, and useful contributions can be made without a sincere vote. I'm talking about whether or not you're advancing town, and the bar there gets gradually higher the further the game progresses.
NJW2000: At what point did we leave RVS?
I dispute that I had done nothing (though I grant I missed that that was the point you were trying to make.). Specifically with Egan: I’m trying to lay some groundwork for how people think in a cult game.
See, straight cult games are weird. Normally on D1 there’s good space to look for relational tells; people who are oddly distant or attached to another player, or seem to know something about someone else that no one else does. Here, that falls apart. One can assume that the scum here is two cult leaders who don’t have a current teammate, making looking for relational tells useless. That makes a lot of the standard D1 fare not the play as the relations both come later and more importantly CHANGE. Given all that, I’m attempting to pin down some folk’s opinions and thoughts on the best plays now to see if they change, especially on players I don’t know as well. I just worded it that way because it was still the start of the game and everyone else was doing it so why not?
EuchreJack: mild town gut read, other people are better than me at understanding EJ tbh. Although I'd really love to repeatedly ask them why they haven't found scum despite having two of the twelve available votes, that was irritating as hell in FBYOR5 when they did it to me.Okay, so it's not just NQT, it's the other three-letter agency too.
True. Where the hell is Knightwing?
Anyway, you left Knightwing off your list. This would be more forgiveable if you hadn't just mentioned him in my line.
Egan_BW (0):
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (2): Knightwing64, TricMagic
Knightwing64 (2): Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin
Maximum Spin (1): Egan_BW
notquitethere (2): Toaster, webadict
NJW2000 (0):
Toaster (1): NJW2000
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
webadict (1): notquitethere
No Execution (0):
6 votes hammers.
Not Voting (2): EuchreJack, ToonyMan
It probably will be.I think Toaster's assessment of this setup being two solo Cult Leaders is reasonable.I'd like to believe that, but I suspect it'll be more horrible than that.
ToonyInteresting. I'm glad you bothered to find that.
We argued about exactly this issue two years ago in Supernatural 10, where we were both town!
[...] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178146.msg8254366#msg8254366)
How's that for consistent meta!
Fair, it's not really a good reasoning it only worked in our favor there.I was also going to add that in the game me and 4mask were masons I figured a NQT scumtell was when he promised good stuff if he survived to D2 or D3, which is what he did. And was scum. I can even link actual proof when I'm at a computer.Doesn't he do the same thing as town? I could've sworn that 'I only do my analysis on D2' is pretty standard notquitethere play regardless of alignment.
Sure. I think it's odd NQT would assume their scumself is a cult member though. Maybe that's a towntell even. I don't really believe there is a cult member helping a leader/recruiter out already on D1, but there's nothing saying there couldn't be.Your scenarios aren't accounting for the one where you're a cult leader.Bad argument, one A_Curious_Cat used against you BYOR 16.
The default position to argue from regardless of alignment is the one that the majority of the players share, which is town in this case, so arguing that somebody isn't considering the options where they are scum is unfair.
Sighs. I'm not someone who always reveals everything day 1, and I'd like not to do so this game. Please don't push this?Who are you and what have you done with Tric?
Ohhh. So Euchrejack AND Webadict AND Max have all claimed to be unconvertible town. Seems unlikely they're all telling the truth.Maybe cult should try to convert one and find out?
TricMagic
Do you want a thunderdome NQT? This is how you get a thunderdome. I am not dealing with that sort of tone.
Apparently in your eyes I can't even use my vote without any case or reason stated. Even though I did give one. I find you suspicious, that's enough to get my vote.
NQT is offline now, but my point still stands. In which you don't have to have a reasoned point to use your vote.Wow so threatening.
postThis is a really good post. I love big analytic posts and they really bias me.
Okay I'm not surprised you got people muddled Tric, the game is much harder without vote counts.I'm still voting you.
Webadict, I can't even tell, is your vote even still on me? If so... why? Your earlier reasons didn't hold up. Give me a case.
My memory is apparently as spotty as my memery too.. Back to JIM then.Tric, I highly recommend voting for NQT. You will not lose a thunderdome with him, and he has a significant chance of being scum.
... Fairly sure I still had a reason, even if I will need to reread to find it again. Was it NJW that did the Toaster vote?
web - I appreciate you're helping here but please don't encourage himNo, I think this is a game where if everyone listens to what I say, Town will win.
See, the fun part here is that I technically don't need a case, not just because you didn't really negate my previous case, but also because no one needs anything. You can vote for anyone for anything, including nothing. I mean, look in the mirror.This is classic D1 scum!web. Insults, tangled syntax, pushing on a vulnerable target most of the day. Not that he doesn't do this as town, but it comes out more often.
Wagon a-forming. NJW, you seem quite enthusiastic about this.Hmm... nah, I actually don't like voting NJW. He's kinda legit, he's just bad.
That's pretty much how I feel.Wagon a-forming. NJW, you seem quite enthusiastic about this.Hmm... nah, I actually don't like voting NJW. He's kinda legit, he's just bad.
@Webadict::/
What's going on here then? I don't really believe NQT and NJW are both cult leaders and scum like you have accused. I'm trying to picture that and it just feels very silly.
Why would NJW defend NQT if they're rivals? I guess it's also possible our understanding of the setup is incorrect. But even from a two-persom scum team perspective I don't have a strong confidence they're scum together either.
I think if I'm wrong it's more likely NQT is scum than NJW. I'm having a hard time seeing scum!NQT though. I know I'm being a bit emotional here since I feel bad for NQT, but I am trying to look objectively as best I can.
:/I think so. He deserves a break after last game.
Max, should I explain it to him?
oh you don't like it I'll be sure to move my vote for you then your majWagon a-forming. NJW, you seem quite enthusiastic about this.Hmm... nah, I actually don't like voting NJW. He's kinda legit, he's just bad.
Appreciated, loyal subject!oh you don't like it I'll be sure to move my vote for you then your majWagon a-forming. NJW, you seem quite enthusiastic about this.Hmm... nah, I actually don't like voting NJW. He's kinda legit, he's just bad.
You guys notice Knightwing still hasn't shown up, right?@Toony: Really hard to Recruit a dead guy, and why chance doing so if I plan on killing him?:/I think so. He deserves a break after last game.
Max, should I explain it to him?
Wagon a-forming. NJW, you seem quite enthusiastic about this.I am. Nobody wants toaster out, and better players than me have told me to back off it because he’s always like this, so I’m left with Jim or ideally Web. And astonishingly, there’s a slim chance I get Web. You have no idea how rare this is.
@NJW: "im not scared u r"Oh, honey. Four consecutive posts. Begging Tric and KW to vote with you.
I am. Nobody wants toaster out, and better players than me have told me to back off it because he’s always like this, so I’m left with Jim or ideally Web. And astonishingly, there’s a slim chance I get Web. You have no idea how rare this is.You might actually convince me with that one. Not that I think web is scum - since we're masons - but that maybe you deserve a break too.
Wagon a-forming. NJW, you seem quite enthusiastic about this.I am. Nobody wants toaster out, and better players than me have told me to back off it because he’s always like this, so I’m left with Jim or ideally Web. And astonishingly, there’s a slim chance I get Web. You have no idea how rare this is.
It’s also quite funny watching him panic and slip into a clumsy parody of Jim Groovester’s classic scum aggression. The thing about Powerwolfing is that you keep insulting and diminishing your opponents from the start of the day, and sap their willpower with textwalls or spam. I’m enjoying seeing Web screw this up.
and NQT+Toony is a more solid wagon than KW+Tric.
Why would Fal put kills in this setup, that's just ending the pain for the player who's being killed and that's totally against the spirit of the game.I don't really believe Web until he actually kills NJW.
It's actually kind of convincing that you two have a chat together, not that I believe that currently. Probably.I am. Nobody wants toaster out, and better players than me have told me to back off it because he’s always like this, so I’m left with Jim or ideally Web. And astonishingly, there’s a slim chance I get Web. You have no idea how rare this is.You might actually convince me with that one. Not that I think web is scum - since we're masons - but that maybe you deserve a break too.
If killing webadict will make you happy, then maybe it's worth it.
Although I'm a little mad that you brought up Armed Forces again. I was trying to forget how badly we did in that one.
@Web:I'm actually just a telepath in real life and that's how I win mafia.
So...lynch NQT, shoot NJW? I don't really think both are scum. Who do you shoot if NQT flips town?
I don't understand your invisible telepathy with Max. I don't really find that scummy though since you've done that together as town, but maybe I'm thinking of the Paranormal that had PMing.Why would Fal put kills in this setup, that's just ending the pain for the player who's being killed and that's totally against the spirit of the game.I don't really believe Web until he actually kills NJW.It's actually kind of convincing that you two have a chat together, not that I believe that currently. Probably.I am. Nobody wants toaster out, and better players than me have told me to back off it because he’s always like this, so I’m left with Jim or ideally Web. And astonishingly, there’s a slim chance I get Web. You have no idea how rare this is.You might actually convince me with that one. Not that I think web is scum - since we're masons - but that maybe you deserve a break too.
If killing webadict will make you happy, then maybe it's worth it.
Although I'm a little mad that you brought up Armed Forces again. I was trying to forget how badly we did in that one.
I don't understand your invisible telepathy with Max.No, no, no. Because it's you asking, ToonyMan, and I like you, I will give you a genuine answer, privately, after this game is over and we can speak freely again. Remind me.
@web: Yep, you’re right, it was EJ, but the main point was the begging. Knightwing is indeed… elsewhere.Aiyaiyai! Not my Masonbuddy Jim! Because he ain't soloscum here.
Possibly Jim now, and Max considering his masonbuddy? Honestly more than I dared to hope. I should probably get to bed now, but before I go: ideally Web, maybe Jim if that becomes impossible.
The reason why I think it's possible that Web and Max have a connection (besides saying they're masons), is because Webadict has some pretty strong town confidence in Max while understandably less town confidence in me. This seems odd to me because Web knows me and him have been fucked over by scum!Max in the past. So Web so freely giving Max the town pass is...there is probably a good reason I would like to hope.I think we all know you're town here.
@Max:
Get out of my head.
@Toony: I shoot KW if NQT flips Town. Downside of my kill is it is delayed and requires setup...I will take that deal if you want me to switch.
I want you to understand that my Role consists of portions of previous Roles I have had before. Which is why Max and I are Masons. Toony, if I thought you were scum, I'd be ragging on you more. But I don't.Sounds like somebody that wants to recruit me.
If you don't like being ignored, vote Jim! A vote for Jim is a vote for all of us!Policy votes are bad.
I submitted Culmination, so that's what I got.I guess my role could be vaguely described as tying to the US Economy or something but I personally think that's a stretch.
Yeah, I'd vote KW, Max.Knightwing is a possible vote I guess. I'm not really confident in this but mainly from a lack of information.
Knightwing is indeed… elsewhere.Night school? Video games?
Fuckers are ignoring me. Triple mason fucks are ignoring me.
If you don't like being ignored, vote Jim! A vote for Jim is a vote for all of us!
TricMagic
Do you want a thunderdome NQT? This is how you get a thunderdome. I am not dealing with that sort of tone.
There is something I haven't seen before though. Pretty sure Web is scared.
what is/isn't RVS
Jim does seem way more engaged than he usually is D1. Has yet to complain about people complaining about his posting rate while he pisses off to drink beer and/or play Noita.
jimnosisWhere is the hero Knightwing in our time of need?
NJW:Yeah I think I have to agree there.There is something I haven't seen before though. Pretty sure Web is scared.You honestly think Web is scared of two votes? Really?
I'd say Toony is scum in this game way before I said Jim. I said Toony is reminding me of BYOR16, and apparently I need to remind people that he was scum that game. It's... I don't know, nothing more than gut right this minute. More effort is required.Well, join the Web/Max/Jim masonry and then you'll know I'm town.
Fuckers are ignoring me. Triple mason fucks are ignoring me.
If you don't like being ignored, vote Jim! A vote for Jim is a vote for all of us!
How about fuck you
Not that I know what you're voting me over but it seems like an appropriate response nonetheless.
jimnosis
Fuckers are ignoring me. Triple mason fucks are ignoring me.
If you don't like being ignored, vote Jim! A vote for Jim is a vote for all of us!
Fuckers are ignoring me. Triple mason fucks are ignoring me.
If you don't like being ignored, vote Jim! A vote for Jim is a vote for all of us!
@Egan_BW: It's ok, I'm not ignoring you. I just don't see...JIMNOSIS - JIM IS TOWN MOTHERFUCKER - JIMNOSIS!...I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
LOLFuckers are ignoring me. Triple mason fucks are ignoring me.
If you don't like being ignored, vote Jim! A vote for Jim is a vote for all of us!
@Egan_BW: It's ok, I'm not ignoring you. I just don't see...JIMNOSIS - JIM IS TOWN MOTHERFUCKER - JIMNOSIS!...I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
SNAP OUT OF IT ROOKIE. I'M GONNA WIN THIS WAR, AND I'LL DO IT USING YOUR FIRE SUPPORT.
NOW GET UP AND START SHOOTING.
Wouldn't it be a funny prank if we were dealing with a standard 2-3 player mafia team?If there are scum teams I really think NQT is a bad vote. They do not give me the impression they are with anyone.
I honestly thought you'd get this, Toony.My partners always horribly die! It doesn't matter if they're my mafia bros or mason chads or if I'm involved or not involved with their deaths, they always die and usually early. I don't know how MVM3R5 even happened besides luck and broken roles. The mafia chat in that game was extremely casual I believe and I wouldn't attribute our success to any one of us. I think we also killed you N1 so haha your face.
... was Web carrying you in MVM5? :P
the masonry is growingit's actually shrinking
Friend Computer has noticed your anti-fun activities.the masonry is growingit's actually shrinking
I think we also killed you N1 so haha your face.BTW: you lynched me like d3.
That's a suspicious amount of analysis about a previous game when you really should be killing the bad men based on your caveman feelings about their badness so that we can get on with this horrible game.I can do both. I have layers.
Oh fuck, it was THAT game?I think we also killed you N1 so haha your face.BTW: you lynched me like d3.
Actually, I think you did try to kill me N1 but it didn't take because I was jailkept, then the poor sucker who jailkept me thunderdomed me thinking I'd done the kill and the whole thing spiralled from there. Also Jack and I made you our Neighbor.
NJW:It was three, and stubborn players like me, NQT and Toony, who still haven’t moved as far as I can see. And yep, how else do you explain the quad posting, hissy fit, and telling other players to vote with him? Reread his reaction to Toony and I voting him.There is something I haven't seen before though. Pretty sure Web is scared.
You honestly think Web is scared of two votes? Really?
Web is being much nicer.I am being nicer because the alternative is that I shutdown due to being the dumbest motherfucker alive for reasons that don't pertain to this game, and I'd rather not do that because I already have the dissociation brewing and I can't really fix anything anyways. You can see why I try not do that. So why not make the babiest steps I can to being a better person and not make that something negative in the game, okay? Can I have that? If you want say I'm buddying, fine. But don't say I'm being nicer. Because I'm not. Being nicer would be doing nothing. Forever! Just do nothing!
This version of Web is a psychopath.Can't argue with that.
I think we can all get behind that message, am I right?
-That’s fair enough, I’m happy to see it as irrelevant to the game.
Understandable.-That’s fair enough, I’m happy to see it as irrelevant to the game.
Still voting you for other reasons, but hope you’re ok, man
Hey Web, would it be possible to boot up the lurker tracker, now we've had the first 50 hours?Not at my computer currently, sorry. Might be possible later.
I don't even know why he's threatening to night kill NJW. And he doesn't actually believe I'm a cult leader, and he doesn't believe he needs to find any good reasons. Scum web does blatant scummy stuff. He loves that refuge in audacity playstyle.The first is so that no one has to figure out if he's scum or not. The second is patently untrue. I don't know where you got the idea that I don't think you're a Cult Leader. I absolutely do, for the reasons I listed earlier. Your behavior is similar to what I believe that of conversion scum. Delayed tactics don't work in Town's favor here, and yet you seem to stick to this point. Explain your actions with voting multiple people. What was the outcome, or is the intention that it is Night-oriented?
Welcome to the Thunderdome! Your contestants: Notquitethere v. TricMagic. Scheduled for...Day 1?Fixed that for you~
Why does anyone think you're not 1000% Town again?Welcome to the Thunderdome! Your contestants: Notquitethere v. TricMagic. Scheduled for...Day 1?Fixed that for you~
@Web: I think that I have seen you blow up mostly as scum. Any stories of you flaming out as Town?
Delayed tactics don't work in Town's favor here, and yet you seem to stick to this point. Explain your actions with voting multiple people. What was the outcome, or is the intention that it is Night-oriented?Is Jim not revealing his Green Lucky Number delaying? Is TricMagic not steadfastedly refusing to explain himself delaying? Is every player, yourself included, not instaclaiming their whole role delaying?
I am not masons with Jack, but he uncontrollably whispered me his alignment at the start of the day.Sorry to be dense, but was this a joke or not?
Is Jim not revealing his Green Lucky Number delaying? Is TricMagic not steadfastedly refusing to explain himself delaying? Is every player, yourself included, not instaclaiming their whole role delaying?Weirdly, your first point is an odd argument for you to make. The Green Number does not find scum, and thus is not Day game relevant, unless you believe it is related to scum, but there are no reasons to believe that. TricMagic explaining about what exactly is confusing to me, as I don't know what you're asking about. Tric is literally willing to Thunderdome you... I think that is something scum Tric would not do. I don't see the comparison there, or rather, I see more Town indicators than scum, so I think you are pointing out issues in an effort to find something.
If I explained exactly what I'm aiming at in my particular approach on D1, it'd undermine the approach (as per usual. You don't tell the participants of a psychological experiment what the real purpose is until the experiment is over (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181625.msg8475381#msg8475381)). The approach will matter after the flip.
I'm not being a refusenik to wind you up, I just don't want to hamper my own strategy just because you've picked it to be hung up about. Again, what I'm doing here, given I've done this many times before.
It would be very nice if there were regular votecounts so I could at least understand what the state of the game looks like currently. Who's in the lead for today? The day is almost over.It's you at 2-3, Web at 3, Knightwing at probably 2-3, I can't remember. There's a count a few pages back.
Also, Town web does just as much scummy stuff. Scum web has a disadvantage because he knows he's scum, so he has to put limitations on himself. You might be thinking more about Mafia-ally web, who doesn't even need the game to function. Using Mafia-ally web as reference is blatantly silly, for many reasons.Town web reads what people have said and tries to resolve things, even in a very sarcastic way. Granted, he usually tells people they're stupid, but he tries to reason with them, not just make threats and pester other players to vote them.
Toonyman, Toonyman, Toonyman.I have more fun being different. Hence hats.
I usually think of you as a cool guy who likes fun, but here you are liking no fun at all.
I see your problem.
You need to be more like Egan, stop thinking, and ultrakill the bad men.
You think too much.
Sit back, relax, and let the soothing waves of Jimnosis fill up that empty head of yours and carry you away to a nice Caribbean island with a sea breeze and a mojito.
Repeat after me, Toonyman:
"I'm a miller, I can't be converted, and I'm masons with Max, Jim, and web."
Repeat it until you believe it all the way down to your boots.
Then we can start this game properly.
Toony, Toony, Toony.Scum would have a better idea what the scum team actually is.
Toony.
The thing is that Max is correct. You are doubting yourself. The points you should be asking yourself is the following:
- Who knows what the scum team really is?
- What are people hunting for?
- Why are they hunting for it?
Keep calm and let the Revolution guide you. You are the Commander, after all. And I am the Bodyguard!
Anyway, I can't be converted and inspect as Mafia, so it doesn't really matter. I can obviously only win if Town wins.
It's prooooobably Knightwing and NQT. I highly recommend blocking NQT Tonight. I'll still be killing NJW, so there's not really a need to figure out his slot.
Personally, I think you are playing the game incorrectly for the right reasons, which is why I have to kill you. I know you don't understand that, but Max understands, and that's all that matters.The sad thing is this is completely true.
MaxIt was a true joke, but it was in fact a joke, unlike my other claims.I am not masons with Jack, but he uncontrollably whispered me his alignment at the start of the day.Sorry to be dense, but was this a joke or not?
@Tric. Web is lying about the kill. This is obvious. Web is lying about the unrecruitable passive. Here’s the thing: I can read Webadict. Its hard, but I’ve successfully done it the last three games I was town that we played in. I want him out because he’s a cult leader. Is that because I’m town, or because I’m in another cult? You choose. But there is no other reason for me to eliminate someone.My problem here is I'm under the assumption that we're dealing with solo Cult Leaders here.
Max is hard defending Web. How is Web a solo Cult Leader here unless Max is throwing the game?You need to repeat your mantra more.
Hey Jack, what do you think about Jim?I just don't see Jim.
Anyway, Knightwing was seen elsewhere just this morning. Either he forgot about this game and we should vote him out so he isn't a sitting duck, or he's lurking on purpose and we should vote him out for that.That's true. I'd just like to hear from him so I have a better idea. I think I would be able to obviously tell if he was town or not if he simply posted. I don't find the lack of posting as a nail in the coffin. It's not like he posted anywhere else right? He may have quickly glanced the thread this morning before running out the door with toast in his mouth.
Or he's forgotten to post and will show up near day end, then fail to send in any day action.Genius Idea: Don't vote Knightwing, since he'll probably forget to recruit as Cult Leader.
That's true. I'd just like to hear from him so I have a better idea. I think I would be able to obviously tell if he was town or not if he simply posted. I don't find the lack of posting as a nail in the coffin. It's not like he posted anywhere else right? He may have quickly glanced the thread this morning before running out the door with toast in his mouth.He was on a discord Tric and Egan and I are all also in.
@Tric. Web is lying about the kill. This is obvious. Web is lying about the unrecruitable passive. Here’s the thing: I can read Webadict. Its hard, but I’ve successfully done it the last three games I was town that we played in. I want him out because he’s a cult leader. Is that because I’m town, or because I’m in another cult? You choose. But there is no other reason for me to eliminate someone.This makes me feel good that I look like this as scum, so thanks! Also, no need to namecall. Also also, you could want to eliminate me because I'm a nonconvertible Miller Mason with a Kill that sells Hot Dogs, but that's too easy to explain away by just saying I'm lying. Which is really hurtful. You're hurting Max's feelings when you say that! He keeps telling me that in private and to not reveal that publicly, but I felt like I needed to let you know, so that you can hold it back a bit. Hopefully, Max will forgive me.
Please. This should be obvious.
@web. My position is unchanged. Shoot me, asshat.
I'm town. I can definitely be converted. I'm riding solo.We know. You've made that quite clear.
Or he's forgotten to post and will show up near day end, then fail to send in any day action.I'm with Max on this one, I'd absolutely vote Knightwing, because I think Town Knightwing votes Jim over and over like Egan_BW. Which is why I also think Egan_BW is Town.
I think it's really unlikely both NQT and Web are town.Hmm... I do still like Knightwing as a possibility, but... Ehh... Why not? It's dumb, but this game is a little dumb, so I'm reluctantly in on this, if only because it would get NQT to explain earlier, and that's a great outcome regardless!
I agree with the TricThunderdome.
NQT vs. WEB
We flip one today, if the first one is town then we flip the other tomorrow.
If they're both scum this is a great plan. If one is scum this is an acceptable plan. If neither are scum it's a horrible plan.
If they're both town then we're fucked anyway so...I'll put my neck on the line and say you guys can kill me so the game and our misery can be over faster.
This is, unironically, a great reason to NOT vote Knightwing. But, I do think KW is higher chance of being scum.Or he's forgotten to post and will show up near day end, then fail to send in any day action.Genius Idea: Don't vote Knightwing, since he'll probably forget to recruit as Cult Leader.
(Jack is still wearing the Dunce Cap)
Are you his Dad? Should I call you Mr. Knightwing?That's true. I'd just like to hear from him so I have a better idea. I think I would be able to obviously tell if he was town or not if he simply posted. I don't find the lack of posting as a nail in the coffin. It's not like he posted anywhere else right? He may have quickly glanced the thread this morning before running out the door with toast in his mouth.He was on a discord Tric and Egan and I are all also in.
Sadly, I don't really see NQT or Web as scumThen who is scummy? You didn't want Jim either.
I'm with Max on this one, I'd absolutely vote Knightwing, because I think Town Knightwing votes Jim over and over like Egan_BW. Which is why I also think Egan_BW is Town.Knightwing voting Jim 1000 times is in fact one of the only things Knightwing has done. He also said me and NQT are weird.
Sorry I haven’t posted for a while, I was….You don't need to tell us about that. Just do it in your bedroom and never speak of it to anyone.
Sorry I haven’t posted for a while, I was….You don't need to tell us about that. Just do it in your bedroom and never speak of it to anyone.
Hey Knightwing, what do you think of Jim now?
I see. And what do you think about me, who has been defending Jim?Hey Knightwing, what do you think of Jim now?
He’s scum, die now
Even if not, I want him dead for all the Jimnosis memes, that was my thing dammit
Toony being okay with a thunderdome surprises me; that’s not what I would expect him to say. I also would expect Web to push back on Toony specifically; this is also a surprise to me.Web and Max have this undying faith in me which is one reason I'm okay with the thunderdome.
I believe there’s a non zero chance of you being a cult leader, simply because I don’t see how the person selling hot dogs in a cult game isn’t a cult leaderNah, buying a Hotdog gives me your points. That's all. If you're afraid of buying a Hotdog, just don't buy it. I can give some out for free, including more powerful versions!
In fact, I bet buying the hot dog is what converts you in the first place, or something like you have to hold a hotdog to be available for conversion actions.
It makes sense to me. It actually makes a lot of sense, but I’m a little reluctant to hop off the Jim vote
🤔
I'm just mostly sure there's only a few people left that can be a Cult Leader, unless there's some really weird scumteam shenanigans, but I'm under the same impression that Toaster is that there's only two Cult Leaders, because otherwise I can't see how this game works.Toony being okay with a thunderdome surprises me; that’s not what I would expect him to say. I also would expect Web to push back on Toony specifically; this is also a surprise to me.Web and Max have this undying faith in me which is one reason I'm okay with the thunderdome.
I'm comfortable moving to notquitethere for this. Knightwing's new posts are, you know, barely adequate.Thanks for having my back Masonbuddy, even when I revealed your secrets!
I wonder if he's demoralized since roughly KJJTN, actually.
It wasn't really a secret, I just didn't want NJW to feel bad.I'm comfortable moving to notquitethere for this. Knightwing's new posts are, you know, barely adequate.Thanks for having my back Masonbuddy, even when I revealed your secrets!
I wonder if he's demoralized since roughly KJJTN, actually.
Mhm.Wanna explain further, or just remain vague about it?
You’re rubbing me the wrong way, Web.
Webadict
Don’t get comfortable Jim, I know how u operate. I’m still suspicious
... What happens if two Cult Leaders end up tying the vote?The NOTE is probably not correct. I'm just lazy and change that manually for each game, but this one had no reference, so I did nothing.
NQT
I'm fine with this. Four hours until I end up going to bed. Maybe 6.
Knightwing, can you give me an opinion on Egan?
I do?Hm, perhaps I'm mistaken. It seems odd that no one except Jim (and somewhat Toony) has claimed anything about the numbers, and you usually will say stuff.
No offense, Knightwing, but you're probably going to be last minute wagoned unless you show you're Town.NQT
I'm fine with this. Four hours until I end up going to bed. Maybe 6.
Knightwing, can you give me an opinion on Egan?
I dunno, I haven’t seen much from them, maybe I just skipped them unconsciously I dunno
Why not wagon NJW2000, then Web can kill someone else tonight?...
@ModFallacy: What happens if the Elimination is tied?In such a case where the execution vote is tied, no player will be executed.
Has NQT ever been Cult? Relying on Meta isn't a guarantee when new situations pop up.That's true. My assumption is that the hiding instinct would be stronger if anything. But this isn't just meta-based... NQT seems to genuinely want to sort things out, awkwardly as he's going about it. He cares about stuff he can't understand, like the mega miller mason massclaim, and is being downright stubborn about people not giving him his due in a way that only very crazy people do as scum.
... On that note, think web is right about your NJW, you are Town. Please do not vote out webadict of all people?Tric. I know this isn't what you want to hear. But I can read Web.
PfpNot a bad choice. Would you be up for voting out Knightwing?
I have never been a cult leader, no.
Thunderdomes are supremely dumb ideas. When do they ever catch scum? Web putting his neck on the line like this is either extreme confidence, having a rez, or he is just town. Hmm...
Very Boring Reveal
Web, my approach is counterproductive if it gets me killed D1. By throwing my vote around, I wanted to do all the normal thing— applying pressure, signalling my feelings about cases, but actually the secret extra thing I didn't want to divulge was that I wanted to generate a bit of heat against me, get close enough to the precipice that I wouldn't be a good conversion target (someone too many people hate). I always (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181625.msg8474154#msg8474154) play to my wincon and this was my way of doing it. Saying what I wanted to do spoils the approach, so congrats. But dying also spoils the approach.
So there you go. Still want to Thunderdome?
This attitude is why I have to shoot you. You do realize this, right?... On that note, think web is right about your NJW, you are Town. Please do not vote out webadict of all people?Tric. I know this isn't what you want to hear. But I can read Web.
I read him in FBYOR6. I read him in U,Robot II (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178633.msg8288662#msg8288662) after basically a single post. I had a decent fix on him in MVM 3. I generally know when Web is scum - it's not just that he always rolls it, because I didn't think he was scum in the Demon Mafia game. So I'm voting out Web. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I have a track record here.
From the beginning of the game (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181625.msg8475344#msg8475344) to now, Knightwing has behaved like classic lurker scum the whole day- tunneling on one target to be seen to do something but otherwise completely in the background.Don't overthink EuchreJack. You're putting a lot of logic in it, and that's a bit unnecessary, because, as far as I can tell, EuchreJack believes that I'm Town (or that Tric is Town, who believes that I'm Town), and that NJW's stance is therefore categorically anti-Town.
Worth pointing out if we'd got rid of the biggest lurker on D1 in the last game, we'd have hit scum (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181553.msg8470005#msg8470005). And on the flip side, the person who posts the most is very unlikely to be a cult leader (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132415.0)(though without lurkertracker, I don't know who that is, maybe me, but could even be Web).
All to say, yes, Knightwing is a good candidate for D1 elimination.
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I really don't see Euchrejack's NJW push. Maybe I'm being pocketed here, but NJW has had such a clear appraisal of the other players. He talks himself down a bit for no good reason. Well I suppose a cult leader, as solo hunting a rival leader (or leaders?!) can just act like fairminded town. In fact, townhunting is perhaps just as important for them as it is for the town. But still, I don't see the force in it. Not when there are other players who have laid low the whole day.
I do agree that Knightwing is probably correct to vote out
Knightwing is a good pick for today....What is this?
Jimnosis.Help me out here.
Max: are you voting NQT because you think they’re scum, or for Masonic reasons?Yes.
And on the flip side, the person who posts the most is very unlikely to be a cult leader (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132415.0)(though without lurkertracker, I don't know who that is, maybe me, but could even be Web).As of the last Lurkertrack, it looks like it was, in fact, Egan!
This attitude is why I have to shoot you. You do realize this, right?I... yeah, sure. You'll be shooting me if you don't get voted off. You have a gun and won't be converting anyone, you'll be shooting them. That is definitely what you'll be doing.
I really don't see Euchrejack's NJW push. Maybe I'm being pocketed here, but NJW has had such a clear appraisal of the other players. He talks himself down a bit for no good reason. Well I suppose a cult leader, as solo hunting a rival leader (or leaders?!) can just act like fairminded town. In fact, townhunting is perhaps just as important for them as it is for the town. But still, I don't see the force in it. Not when there are other players who have laid low the whole day.I do like NJW.
As of the last Lurkertrack, it looks like it was, in fact, Egan!Well dang.
I'm voting NQT for the same reason Web is, though: Almost everyone else is doing the correct movements.Okay work through that thought, who else do you think isn't making the 'correct' movements? Is playing bog standard in this setup what you'd expect to see from every town player?
Anyway, it looks like the thread has progressed from that state so I don't feel the need to go into it any more than that. Not hiding anything, it just doesn't feel like the important thing.
I'm secretly masons with Max.And I' the Meowfia. Pull the other one Max.
And I'm a miller. I literally inspect as a mill. And I'm unconvertibly town. I can't change alignment. Not even after the game is over. I didn't believe FoU when he told me, but apparently Mephansteras is backing him up here, and he'll just fucking ban me if I ever roll scum. And also I'm masons with Egan. I should have voted Jim with him when I had the chance, and I'm so, so sorry we've ended up here instead. I'd take it back in an instant.
I'm secretly fun.
Jiim's ulikely to do anything before I'm no longer able to post. I do not like how this has devolved into voting Knightwing for being absent-ish/wanting to vote Jim. Vote Jim, down with the pyramid scheme.
Oh shit I misread that deadline and thought I had all of tomorrow. Shit.I'm not super happy with NQT and kind of dread a game where we lynch him D1 and he flips town, but maybe that will be more fun? If we hit a Cult on D1 that should make the game far less fun, but that's not my goal here.
Uhhhhhhh I've been slack today because work and other things, but I'm super happy with NQT, lean pretty town on NJW, and am moderately ambivalent on Web? Knightwing is super noncommittal and I'd be way more interested in nailing him to the wall over it EXCEPT that he was equally quiet BYOR16 and he was town there. Now I do think he's quieter here, and I could be overcompensating. Jim's odd but I don't have a vibe on him. Toony is still odd based solely on gut.
Lemme look over and see if I can find anything that pops up.
Also NJW we have played together, in a Fallacy game no less. MVM3 Round 5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178730.msg8345210#msg8345210)Mmmm my favorite mafia performance in recent memory.
It's too late no for a Fire Drill, and if I see one start up again, I am going to through my night actions out the window and gun someone so hard they come back to life and die again.Gun someone you say? You should try gunning me tonight and see what happens.
Jim, what's your read on Tric? You've called him easiest read in Mafia, so...
Jim, what's your read on Tric? You've called him easiest read in Mafia, so...
Also, Miracle whip doesn’t count as mayo >:(
Also, Miracle whip doesn’t count as mayo >:(
That is quite true, but your gut doesn't count as analysis either, so does that make us even?
Also, Miracle whip doesn’t count as mayo >:(
That is quite true, but your gut doesn't count as analysis either, so does that make us even?
We shall see.
Also, Miracle whip doesn’t count as mayo >:(
That is quite true, but your gut doesn't count as analysis either, so does that make us even?
We shall see.
This is why no one is really opposed to your lynch.
Jimnosis.Help me out here.
Edit: Ninja’d, DAMN YOU JIM
-> webadict --4-- ToonyMan*, NJW2000*, Knightwing64*, Jim Groovester*,
notquitethere --2-- Toaster*, Maximum Spin*,
Knightwing64 --2-- webadict*, notquitethere*,
Jim Groovester --2-- Egan_BW*, TricMagic*,
NJW2000 --1-- EuchreJack*,
Egan_BW --0--
EuchreJack --0--
Maximum Spin --0--
Toaster --0--
ToonyMan --0--
TricMagic --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --0--Egan_BW (0):
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (2): Egan_BW, TricMagic
Knightwing64 (2): webadict, notquitethere
Maximum Spin (0):
notquitethere (2): Toaster, Maximum Spin
NJW2000 (1): EuchreJack
Toaster (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
webadict (4): ToonyMan, Knightwing64, NJW2000, Jim Groovester
No Execution (0):
6 votes hammers.
Not Voting (0):
snipdid you seriously just ninja my vote count with your vote count
For the record, NJW's hard attack on Toaster pretty much guarantees that Toaster is Town.
Fallacy: Are non-cult third parties possible in this game?In order:
...is Mafia a possible alignment in this game?
(also I'll ninja you any day I please)
Knightwing: Can you just summarize why you think Web should be lynched today, please?
(also I'll ninja you any day I please)
I suppose you can do that.
Knightwing: Can you just summarize why you think Web should be lynched today, please?
1: Seems very obv cult
2: going after me
3: I don’t believe the hotdog selling merchant is not a cult leader in a cult game, this might be a bit meta but I refuse to believe that isn’t the case
4: Actively been campaigning for people to buy his sausage product, which fits with my theory of hotdog conversion
5: I made a post earlier about it
6: Because I said so 8)
Knightwing: Can you just summarize why you think Web should be lynched today, please?
1: Seems very obv cult
2: going after me
3: I don’t believe the hotdog selling merchant is not a cult leader in a cult game, this might be a bit meta but I refuse to believe that isn’t the case
4: Actively been campaigning for people to buy his sausage product, which fits with my theory of hotdog conversion
5: I made a post earlier about it
6: Because I said so 8)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Max: the fun police are here. They've driven up in a normal car, and a perfectly sensible number of them got out of it.Hahahahaha, okay. Who do you want me to vote for, mason buddy?
Now, I know the two of us don't always see eye to eye on the matter of fun. I'm against it, as you know. In some ways, it disgusts me. But as much as I dislike it, I believe that certain liberties must be protected. Web and NQT have crossed a line here, and I need to do something about that. I need to do it for KW, and his right to make the game hilarious and nonsensical on the off-chance he's actually a cult leader. I need to do it for Egan, and their natural right to bloodshed. But more than that, I need to do it for myself.
Because there's something I haven't been telling you, even though you've known it all along.
I'm secretly masons with Max.
And I'm a miller. I literally inspect as a mill. And I'm unconvertibly town. I can't change alignment. Not even after the game is over. I didn't believe FoU when he told me, but apparently Mephansteras is backing him up here, and he'll just fucking ban me if I ever roll scum. And also I'm masons with Egan. I should have voted Jim with him when I had the chance, and I'm so, so sorry we've ended up here instead. I'd take it back in an instant.
I'm secretly fun.
Okay work through that thought, who else do you think isn't making the 'correct' movements? Is playing bog standard in this setup what you'd expect to see from every town player?Yeah, you're not getting what I mean. "Bog standard" isn't "the correct movements". The correct movements vary per player and are specific to this game.
Max:, you can make this a world with fun, or go along with the Knightwing wagon and make it a world without fun. As hilarious as it would be to vote Jim out with a wagon of scrappy underdogs propelled by Egan's insatiable bloodlust, I want web. I don't know which world I'll be waking up in tomorrow. But I think you do.Man, you really aren't very good at fun. But I can see you're trying. Some day, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a service for me. Until that day, accept this vote as a gift on your daughter's wedding day. webadict.
Egan: Kill web with me and I'll give you Jim. I'm like 70% sure he's the other cult leader anyway, I'd be voting him if not for web. I know how web will flip, and even if I'm wrong, I'm going after Jim. But I'm not working with you on this one until I have what I want.Jiim's ulikely to do anything before I'm no longer able to post. I do not like how this has devolved into voting Knightwing for being absent-ish/wanting to vote Jim. Vote Jim, down with the pyramid scheme.
NO. I want webadict out today. I've made the read, committed to the wagon, and pushed Web until his discipline broke. I'd like Jim out, but the people voting him can't be trusted to hold their damn votes. I don't care if NQT is a damp squib here, we don't need him for the elim.
We have more votes on Webadict, and I'm not switching, because I'm going to sleep and not waking up before the day ends. You want something other than a dumb KW elim? Switch to Web. Stare me down all you like, I'm not blinking. Because my eyes will be shut.
It's called hard commitment. Game theory, baby.
Nobody would go along with it but considering how rarely TricMagic plays things close to the chest I think it might be worth testing here.I would absolutely go along with it.
@Max:Because I'm throwing him a bone and it is not, at this moment, doing any harm. I probably won't sit on it till day end unless everyone profoundly disappoints me, which is possible.
Why are you voting Web over NQT? Are you convinced by NJW? Because I don't find your vote very convincing.
@Web:Because I think Knightwing has a higher chance of being Mafia.
Why not vote NQT instead of Knightwing?
Do you think actual mafia are in this game?
See, I'm writing Mafia instead of Cult because I'm not really even thinking about the game, lolWhat do the Purple Lucky Numbers do?
No clue. I can make people lose 3 from their Purple Number as part of my "Make Hotdogs do bad things" Action, and I can give out a Hotdog that a Player can use to drop all of their Lucky Numbers by 3 to gain a bunch of boons. I have no References on anything except my three different kinds of Hotdogs.See, I'm writing Mafia instead of Cult because I'm not really even thinking about the game, lolWhat do the Purple Lucky Numbers do?
How would you kill someone with a hotdog? Are you willing to kill Knightwing instead of NJW?No clue. I can make people lose 3 from their Purple Number as part of my "Make Hotdogs do bad things" Action, and I can give out a Hotdog that a Player can use to drop all of their Lucky Numbers by 3 to gain a bunch of boons. I have no References on anything except my three different kinds of Hotdogs.See, I'm writing Mafia instead of Cult because I'm not really even thinking about the game, lolWhat do the Purple Lucky Numbers do?
The Kill is a bit convoluted, but I have to give a Player all three types of Hotdogs, and then my "Bad hotdog things" causes them to die. Each Hotdog has a potential downside, but all three gives each downside plus a side of murder.How would you kill someone with a hotdog? Are you willing to kill Knightwing instead of NJW?No clue. I can make people lose 3 from their Purple Number as part of my "Make Hotdogs do bad things" Action, and I can give out a Hotdog that a Player can use to drop all of their Lucky Numbers by 3 to gain a bunch of boons. I have no References on anything except my three different kinds of Hotdogs.See, I'm writing Mafia instead of Cult because I'm not really even thinking about the game, lolWhat do the Purple Lucky Numbers do?
My role seems really similar to yours because I also give out stuff that can lower people's Lucky Numbers although I can choose any color.
Actually a good explanation by Web.Honestly... Part of it is that I feel like Knightwing is a bit lurky and isn't commenting on the game as much as normal. Lurking is something he tends to do as scum, so that's a bigger ding, but the second part is a lot more minor. I'm also not seeing a lot of people as particularly scummy, and that usually means that it's someone that is particularly lurky, or someone really good, which means I paid more attention to Max, Jim, and Toony, but none of them feel like their scumselves (Jim would be the closest, but I don't see him just pyramiding his slogan if he were scum. He's a lot less brazen as soloscum.)
Hm, so I am thinking Knightwing or NQT.
Web, you need the assist, so I will defer to your explaining why Knightwing is a good elimination.
@Web:Nah, no lies. No point now, since I'm okay with either decision. I'd prefer to not be voted out, but I'm not sure how well I'm gonna help Town to win this game. Welllll, except for the Masonry with Max and Jim, that's just old-fashioned telepathy.
I can see that about NJW, since you never voted him or seriously wanted him dead today.
I don't get the impression you're lying about your role at all. It's not like when you were mally and clearly making up bullshit with your Eevee role.
Hm, so I am thinking Knightwing or NQT.I think those are likely hits if the Max/Web/Jim block is all town. Which I have a hard time believing.
Okay, now EuchreJack scares me.Hm?
You're too calm!Okay, now EuchreJack scares me.Hm?
You're saying CORRECT THINGS and NOT PANICKING, it's WEIRD and UNNATURAL.Okay, now EuchreJack scares me.Hm?
There were some posts by Tric that I felt were solidly Town, so either Tric is really, really good, or he's Town.I agree.
Knightwing is a solid cult recruit, if he's not already a Cult Leader. He hasn't posted much, and little is expected of him. So while he's somewhat unreliable, he's unlikely to expose the Cult that recruits him. A solid recruit, or a recruiter, it's a good vote either way.Jim voted Knightwing for a similar reason at the start of this day and NQT called him out on it. Although Jim said it was in jest. It's one of the NQT votes I actually liked.
Jack is too tired and overworked to be panicking.You're saying CORRECT THINGS and NOT PANICKING, it's WEIRD and UNNATURAL.Okay, now EuchreJack scares me.Hm?
I'm glad someone noticed!Jack is too tired and overworked to be panicking.You're saying CORRECT THINGS and NOT PANICKING, it's WEIRD and UNNATURAL.Okay, now EuchreJack scares me.Hm?
Point of order: I am voting Knightwing because I think he'd lurk hard if he knew he'd be getting backup on Day 2. Which he is.There were some posts by Tric that I felt were solidly Town, so either Tric is really, really good, or he's Town.I agree.Knightwing is a solid cult recruit, if he's not already a Cult Leader. He hasn't posted much, and little is expected of him. So while he's somewhat unreliable, he's unlikely to expose the Cult that recruits him. A solid recruit, or a recruiter, it's a good vote either way.Jim voted Knightwing for a similar reason at the start of this day and NQT called him out on it. Although Jim said it was in jest. It's one of the NQT votes I actually liked.
Having one of your reasons be voting Knightwing because he's a good conversion target is not a good reason to vote someone because you're voting a player that you think is town.
Anyway, I'm tired and headed to bed, but if it gets to be a tie between me and someone else, just vote me.I still plan on voting you I think. Funny enough that would cause a tie.
I don't like Toony's vote on Web at all.My intentions aren't of the ill-minded. I kind of liked causing a tie there because ties are meant to be broken.
Well, you got your wish.It's true, NQT should be the one to die! Not Knightwing! Hahahaha!!
I'm going to bed, so I cannot participate in further CFD shenanigans. I lament the lack of NQT lynch.
Egan_BW (0):
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (2): Egan_BW, TricMagic
Knightwing64 (5): webadict, notquitethere, Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, Toaster
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TricMagic (0):
webadict (4): Knightwing64, NJW2000, Jim Groovester, ToonyMan
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6 votes hammers.
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(Innate) Mass Detonate: If triggered, your robotic spiders automatically explode, killing every living player other than you. This does not fulfill the Town win condition.
{0AP} (Night) Detach [choice]: You order your robotic spider minion to spare a player of your choice, for now. The chosen player loses the Spiderjacked status condition at the end of the Night, if they have it.
{1AP} (Single, Night) Beta Testing[]: You test the mechanisms that will be present in your newest invention. Choose a Spider ability you possess. It will cost 1 AP less to use next Night.
{2AP} (Night) Nerve-Stimulating Spider [target]: You create a robotic spider with nerve-energizing capability, that attaches to the spine of your target. They gain the Spiderjacked status condition, with the hidden text “You have 1 additional AP available to you during each Phase.”
{2AP} (Night) Siphon Spider [target]: You create a robotic spider with metasiphoning capability, which attaches to the spine of your target. Choose a color of Lucky Number. Your target gains the Spiderjacked status condition, with the hidden text “Before the start of each Day, your {color} Lucky Number is reduced by 2 and the player with the Mechaspider Artificer role’s {color} Lucky Number is increased by 2.”
{2AP} (Night) Interference Spider [target][choice x2]: You create a robotic spider with shock-deterrence capability, which attaches to the spine of your target. Choose two players. Your target gains the Spiderjacked status condition, with the hidden text “If you attempt to target {player1} or {player2} with an action, you will be automatically roleblocked.”
{3AP} (1-Shot, Night) Mass Hypnosis [target/self][choices]: You overwrite the neurology of your spiderjacking victims. Choose any number of players who are Spiderjacked. Their votes will be unable to be placed on your target the next Day.
(Reference) (Status) Spiderjacked: There’s a robotic spider attached to your spine! If you make an information claim in the public thread about specific information from this status condition, the spider explodes, which kills you. (The explosion does remove Spiderjacked after the kill.)
Examples:
‘Something bad happened to me last night’ is fine.
‘I gained a bad status condition last night’ is fine.
‘My status condition puts me at risk of death’ is death.
‘If I claim about my status condition, I die’ is death.
‘I am Spiderjacked’ is death.
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6 votes hammers.
Not Voting (11): Egan_BW, EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, notquitethere, notquitethere, NJW2000, Toaster, ToonyMan, TricMagic, webadict
Who is offering for me to give them one of my abilities, and why should I accept?You should accept because we're very good friends.
Also, notquitethere is glowing golden.
So I tried to inspect webadict but I couldn't target him.
But webadict claimed mafia miller mason!
I would have learned his win condition as well.
I also received an ability (from I expect ToonyMan) of uncertain utility since it affects one of the lucky numbers but not the one I know about.
Jimnosis.
Did you pick me for this? Did you think I'd be likely to want to give away my stuff for some reason?Who is offering for me to give them one of my abilities, and why should I accept?You should accept because we're very good friends.
...Yeah, that would be the smart thing for scum to claim if their convert/kill gets blocked, wouldn't it?It would. He's putting the pressure on Web immediately, which is the smart thing for scum!Jim to do given the KW elim and the number of people willing to kill Jim yesterday.
So I tried to inspect webadict but I couldn't target him.Jim.
But webadict claimed mafia miller mason!
I would have learned his win condition as well.
I also received an ability (from I expect ToonyMan) of uncertain utility since it affects one of the lucky numbers but not the one I know about.
Jimnosis.
That seems reasonable. I did learn the name of one of the actions wuba used, which seems to confirm he's behind the hot dogs. It seems he tried to give a "deluxe hot dog" to somebody.I can confirm this. I used it on notquotethere. And I also blocked NQT. (It's sort of a package deal.)
Which, I mean, that could be the name of a cult conversion ability.
I also learned some stuff about nqt which I'll take as not a real indication of anything.
Oh, now yall wanna do it. Just had to kill poor townie KnightWing first, is that it?That's fair.
Ppe: Egan, Knightwing would have murdered us all if he'd lived. I'm not shedding tears for a serial killer.Oh please. Stop justifying town murder.
Oh, and question:I went up 2 numbers on a certain color.
Did anyone else's numbers go up?
It's possible that mine did through purchases, but I thought those were delayed until Day 4, but if not, 3 people bought Hot Dogs.
Did you use only 1 Action?Last night? Technically, yes.
Egan, why did you protect Web? I mean, what about Web on D1 convinced you that 1. He's town, and 2. Other players might mess with him?Did someone claim they were gonna stab him? If so I didn't see. My main motivation was to prevent him from converting anybody, and ideally get some evidence if he does try.
I'm not scum! I am a Crime Lord, not Cult!Egan, why did you protect Web? I mean, what about Web on D1 convinced you that 1. He's town, and 2. Other players might mess with him?Did someone claim they were gonna stab him? If so I didn't see. My main motivation was to prevent him from converting anybody, and ideally get some evidence if he does try.
Oh, and question:Two of mine went don, one went up. Given the colors, I suspect each differs in what it does. Give me a bit while I bug Fal about something.
Did anyone else's numbers go up?
It's possible that mine did through purchases, but I thought those were delayed until Day 4, but if not, 3 people bought Hot Dogs.
Okay, I used 3 Actions and my numbers went up 6, so if everyone has the same thing, then numbers go up through Action usage.Hmm... I might have an idea about them then. I'll have to wait for Fal to answer my question though.
My lowest 2 numbers seem to be the ones that went up.I'm not scum! I am a Crime Lord, not Cult!Egan, why did you protect Web? I mean, what about Web on D1 convinced you that 1. He's town, and 2. Other players might mess with him?Did someone claim they were gonna stab him? If so I didn't see. My main motivation was to prevent him from converting anybody, and ideally get some evidence if he does try.
Also, one of my numbers went up but the rest stayed the same. It was the green one which is... probably good?If Green is town then I actually find this really odd.
I see but it didn't actually stop him from acting did it? So you didn't jailkeep him.Egan, why did you protect Web? I mean, what about Web on D1 convinced you that 1. He's town, and 2. Other players might mess with him?Did someone claim they were gonna stab him? If so I didn't see. My main motivation was to prevent him from converting anybody, and ideally get some evidence if he does try.
Dude, I targeted you for all of my Actions, so if I'm a Cult Leader, you're my Cultist. You literally have 2 Actions as proof I targeted you!I see but it didn't actually stop him from acting did it? So you didn't jailkeep him.Egan, why did you protect Web? I mean, what about Web on D1 convinced you that 1. He's town, and 2. Other players might mess with him?Did someone claim they were gonna stab him? If so I didn't see. My main motivation was to prevent him from converting anybody, and ideally get some evidence if he does try.
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Wild speculation: there are four solo cult leaders and each colour is linked to each of their wincons.
Wasn't my lowest or my highest.Also, one of my numbers went up but the rest stayed the same. It was the green one which is... probably good?If Green is town then I actually find this really odd.
Since it was my lowest number that went up which would definitely not be Green.
I know I said we should be a bit hush hush but if Green was already your lowest number...is this true? It's probably important to identify this.
Didn't stop him from acting, but it should have prevented his actions from reaching any players.I see but it didn't actually stop him from acting did it? So you didn't jailkeep him.Egan, why did you protect Web? I mean, what about Web on D1 convinced you that 1. He's town, and 2. Other players might mess with him?Did someone claim they were gonna stab him? If so I didn't see. My main motivation was to prevent him from converting anybody, and ideally get some evidence if he does try.
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Wild speculation: there are four solo cult leaders and each colour is linked to each of their wincons.
Well, that makes sense. But, you don't need to protect me. I can't be converted.Didn't stop him from acting, but it should have prevented his actions from reaching any players.I see but it didn't actually stop him from acting did it? So you didn't jailkeep him.Egan, why did you protect Web? I mean, what about Web on D1 convinced you that 1. He's town, and 2. Other players might mess with him?Did someone claim they were gonna stab him? If so I didn't see. My main motivation was to prevent him from converting anybody, and ideally get some evidence if he does try.
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Wild speculation: there are four solo cult leaders and each colour is linked to each of their wincons.
Real players, that is. :3
Wild speculation: there are four solo cult leaders and each colour is linked to each of their wincons.I think this is (partially) wrong, but I won't explain why.
Webadict, I can confirm that just isn't how it occurs. Your Green numbers suggest you performed 2 actions.I performed 2 different Actions. Is that what you mean? Because I did use 3 Actions. Two of the Actions are the same Action (Giving Hot Dogs), but I use different AP costs to give different Hot Dogs.
Webadict, I can confirm that just isn't how it occurs. Your Green numbers suggest you performed 2 actions.I definitely used either more or fewer actions than I gained green points, depending on how you count it.
Not to my knowledge. None of my actions interact with numbers at all.Hm.
Maybe the numbers change at random because screw us. I mean that would be convenient because then I wouldn't have to think about a mechanic I have no solid information on at all.Not true. Some Abilities have Choose. I have one like that, so it's definitely there, and that can do it.
Pretty sure nobody could have interacted with you unless they had a copy of my own ability or something.
I guess it's also possible that my ability has a hidden-to-me effect on numbers? I don't know it all just seems random to me because my role doesn't state any way it interacts with them.
My Auto Innate is a choice. I "choose" a player without targeting.Maybe the numbers change at random because screw us. I mean that would be convenient because then I wouldn't have to think about a mechanic I have no solid information on at all.Not true. Some Abilities have Choose. I have one like that, so it's definitely there, and that can do it.
Pretty sure nobody could have interacted with you unless they had a copy of my own ability or something.
I guess it's also possible that my ability has a hidden-to-me effect on numbers? I don't know it all just seems random to me because my role doesn't state any way it interacts with them.
Concerning..Assumedly not. OoO would imply that all of my Actions didn't happen, which explains NQT's incredulity.
The order of actions here are Egan Jails Web, Web Roleblocks NQT.. Did NQT get roleblocked though if web was jailed?
Jim Groovester.
I inspected him, and he was cult.
I have my suspicions about what really happened with his "inspect" on Webadict tonight, as well.
Ah. I was going to say I trusted Jim now, because he claimed to use an inspect on webadict and was unable to target him. Since I prevented people from acting on webadict, I believed that Jim acted on him. Perhaps I actually parried a conversion attempt?
...Yeah, that would be the smart thing for scum to claim if their convert/kill gets blocked, wouldn't it?It would. He's putting the pressure on Web immediately, which is the smart thing for scum!Jim to do given the KW elim and the number of people willing to kill Jim yesterday.
The only thing is, I think Jim genuinely wanted web out yesterday, and cult!Jim always, always goes after the other cult leader D1. So the weird thing would be Jim trying to recruit someone he probably thought he couldn't.
Describing the recruit as an inspect would make sense in that context though... because most multiball (multiple scum factions) games, it kind of is that. Because cult can't recruit other cult, as a measure to reduce swing.
I think it's plausible that Jim would use a recruit on someone he thought was cult. He's very confident in his ability to control town solo.
I think it's plausible that Jim would use a recruit on someone he thought was cult. He's very confident in his ability to control town solo.
Jim.
I told you.
I can't be converted :)
lucky number speculation
I'd step lightly Max lest you be the next to fall instead.Don't be ridiculous.
I targeted the players I did because I thought they might be willing to play ball, but it's not like I can't escalate if I need to.Max feels like an Ob Nixilis-style demon again.
Like I said: I don't have anything worth offering. Anything I could offer wouldn't do anything for other players.Try to think at least half a step ahead. This is your opportunity to demonstrate that this claim is true, at least.
My green number went up by 2, and my ability cost 2 AP. It might be a counter for our positive Town abilities. Who had another number go up again?Okay..."Jack - Has an ability that cost 2AP". Great.
I don't really see why I have to do that when you already think I'm town.Like I said: I don't have anything worth offering. Anything I could offer wouldn't do anything for other players.Try to think at least half a step ahead. This is your opportunity to demonstrate that this claim is true, at least.
...You're the one that did the boon on yourself yesterday aren't you?No. I don't know what that was.
I plan to vote Jim. Let's not get Jimnosis'd out of lynching scum this time?I still hate NQT and Web both agreeing to vote Knightwing (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181625.msg8475883#msg8475883) instead of each other.
I believe you....You're the one that did the boon on yourself yesterday aren't you?No. I don't know what that was.
I don't think agreeing to any deals is in our best interest, given how those usually go. Web, how many hot dogs have you sold so far?No. In fact, I was nowhere near NQT last night!
I also got a claim.. But Jack failed to answer my question, are you responsible for NQT's extra vote?
I have no idea why you're so pissed off at me.I believe you....You're the one that did the boon on yourself yesterday aren't you?No. I don't know what that was.
I wonder who grey goo'd me. Probably Toaster. Toaster is probably town?
Who else is suspect? I think Jim is probably caught, but there's still a lot of day to burn.
NJW is town.
Are NQT and Web both scum? It looks unlikely.
Tric and Jack make me mad. Egan feels the best out of those three.
Max is Max. He's probably town since I don't think he boon'd himself. I think that's pretty good logic.
I don't think agreeing to any deals is in our best interest, given how those usually go.That's why I didn't offer you any.
I have no idea why you're so pissed off at me.You don't?? To be fair your behavior doesn't actually piss me off, unlike Tric's attitude. It's only...
Suspicious why I'm still town!! If you remember I gave you and Tric and Egan top townreads and yet no conversion. Either you're all total blockheads or you're all town.Going to level with you here: I don't think there are conversions.
NJW, good job in the inspect. And yes, now D1 is done I'll be more circumspect with my voting. Why Jim?No, not at all, you misunderstand. I don't want circumspection, throwing your vote around is fine and in any case, it's not my job to pull you up short on it. I just want you to kill someone more interesting next time.
I also gave NJW an item.Yadda yadda item yadda yadda confirmation yes he did yadda yadda play to win with your wincon
You for real? FoU isn't that sadistic.Suspicious why I'm still town!! If you remember I gave you and Tric and Egan top townreads and yet no conversion. Either you're all total blockheads or you're all town.Going to level with you here: I don't think there are conversions.
Max is Max. He's probably town since I don't think he boon'd himself. I think that's pretty good logic.I don't get this thinking when there are 2+ rival scum teams. I think that's pretty bad logic.
Notquitethere, the term I have for you is Guardian.Thank you? Do I need to do anything?
You for real? FoU isn't that sadistic.Do you know some other, different Fallacy than I do?
We know that there's a second cultist (possible a third or fourth too).We don't know anything. You keep bringing up the last game, but an early part of my strategy was to assert a very convincing but totally wrong setup and get everyone to tunnel into thinking about the game as two scumteams of two. This ended up tying ToonyMan's hands since he couldn't contradict it without revealing himself as a third member of a team.
Ninja Max. That's quite the question?What's your extra win condition?
I'm assuming Jim is guilty. It's possible that a third cult leader boon'd Max and was also correct in Max being scum.Max is Max. He's probably town since I don't think he boon'd himself. I think that's pretty good logic.I don't get this thinking when there are 2+ rival scum teams. I think that's pretty bad logic.
I dunno, maybe I'm overthinking it and the right play is just to do the simple thing and hit Jim now, but I'm just very very wary of repeating the mistake I made in the last game. Toony, Max, you were at the heart of this dilemma in the last game. What do you reckon?From (recent) personal experience Jim is probably guilty and it's better not to have him alive for another night.
By the way, what's your extra win condition?I might as well answer this too.
It's not a wincon. It's just the case that if it blows up everyone else but Knight and a single cultist, Knight(Town) would lose. Likewise if Knightwing got converted, they could use that ability to play towards Cult win condition. Which by itself is an argument against cults being unable to recruit. There are just a number of methods to block recruitment attempts, such as Web's, Egans, and Knight's.By the way, what's your extra win condition?I might as well answer this too.
Knightwing's other win condition caught me by surprise. My only wincon is the Town wincon.
It's not a wincon. It's just the case that if it blows up everyone else but Knight and a single cultist, Knight(Town) would lose. Likewise if Knightwing got converted, they could use that ability to play towards Cult win condition. Which by itself is an argument against cults being unable to recruit. There are just a number of methods to block recruitment attempts, such as Web's, Egans, and Knight's.This is wrong, and you should look again.
Knightwing's other win condition caught me by surprise. My only wincon is the Town wincon.Are you entirely sure of this, insofar as your wincon looks exactly like the first part of Knightwing's, and doesn't even have the words 'OR' or 'AND' in it?
Knightwing's other win condition caught me by surprise. My only wincon is the Town wincon.Are you entirely sure of this, insofar as your wincon looks exactly like the first part of Knightwing's, and doesn't even have the words 'OR' or 'AND' in it?
Because I thought the same thing yesterday when I didn't realize it was meant to be two separate parts, because my extra wincon sounded like it could have been part of the town wincon. In fact, mine is even an AND, not an OR, which just seems like even more of a dick move on Fallacy's part.
(Innate) Mass Detonate: If triggered, your robotic spiders automatically explode, killing every living player other than you. This does not fulfill the Town win condition.If you're talking about this part.
If you're talking about this part.I'm not.
"You win once all all anti-Town players have been eliminated from the game, OR all living players other than you are Spiderjacked at the start of the Day - this triggers Mass Detonate."If he had achieved that serial killer win condition, he would have won and town would have lost.
I see the relevant bit now. That does mean that whichever alignment they were a part of would win though?No, because it explicitly says it DOESN'T work like that in the ability. He wins, and town loses.
Doesn't that mean your Wincon is detrimental too?If I'm not mistaken, it means that the rest of town can win with me still SOL. As if my role didn't suck enough.
Well, probably shouldn't put it like that. I don't quite believe your claims that Jim is Cult. It's a very easy accusation to make, but your saying Jim admitted it doesn't fit. Play to your wincon, and admitting you're cult doesn't quite do that Max.Tric, please, for the love of god. I was joking. It was the most obvious joke in the world. Don't make me explain the jokes to you, Tric.
Doesn't that mean your Wincon is detrimental too?Oh, you meant detrimental to town. No, there are apparently all sorts of different wincons. I have no way to win without the rest of town. I have to reach the town wincon of eliminating the anti-town players, AND ALSO do something else. Because fuck me in particular, apparently.
Yes.Knightwing's other win condition caught me by surprise. My only wincon is the Town wincon.Are you entirely sure of this, insofar as your wincon looks exactly like the first part of Knightwing's, and doesn't even have the words 'OR' or 'AND' in it?
'hmmmm hmmmm hmmmm, yes, yes, yes, in my very high IQ (very high) analysis there are parts of Jim's stated claims and actions that don't make sense within the premise that he's cult, but I can still conveniently rationalize them away as needed'Yeah, here's the thing. Your stated claims and actions do make sense within the premise that you're cult. The idea that you'd convert Web may not, but inspecting him does, as you want to know who the other cult was.
Or maybe, I actually did (attempt to) inspect webadict, since I could have confirmed that he inspected as mafia and also learned his win condition, which would tell me what his alignment actually was regardless of what he inspected as.
Also, I suspect that as cult leader, you would lie about your actions. This being Mafia and not Hungry, Hungry Hippos. So even if you actioned Web, claiming it was an inspect rather than something more hostile wouldn't be out of the question. But hey, it could just be an inspect.
Maybe Egan and I are wrong about the conversion attempt. But... there's nothing about your being cult that doesn't chime perfectly with your stated actions and (mechanically) safe playstyle.
It's a nice trick: pointing out that a deduction I've made from the evidence must be unsound, and declaring that I thus should not trust the evidence because I can't reconcile it with other evidence. But I can reconcile it just fine - it's the deduction that was invalid.
As I've said... Jimnosis doesn't work on everyone.
This is a rather odd way to go about it... one shouldn't be thinking about reciprocity. If everyone should know the info, tell us, especially if it won't be revealed in your flip. If it's knowledge that should be kept out of cult hands, take it to your grave. No middle ground for town... so I guess you're openly bargaining with the other cult leader?Quotelucky number speculation
You know, if at any point anybody else wants to share what they know, I'm willing to share what I know about them.
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So ask yourself, where did the idea of two independent cult leaders come from? Cui bono?
There are Cults among you. Horrible ones. Find them before they dunk on you.
Assuming that cults in this game work like they're normally expected to, which there is no guarantee of.This being the point. Other crucial words in my question worth considering are "two" and "independent".
We know that there's a second cultist (possible a third or fourth too). I have a way of killing (it required a bit of setup but I think I'm there). I could just kill Jim tonight, Web can track me doing it, and we can try and execute the second cult leader today.Uh, I can't do that. I can only track people with Hot Dogs. And you shouldn't have one, unless you bought one.
I don't think agreeing to any deals is in our best interest, given how those usually go. Web, how many hot dogs have you sold so far?I don't know. I think I only get paid on Day 4. Unless the Points were from hot dog sales. In which case, somewhere around 3?
I also got a claim.. But Jack failed to answer my question, are you responsible for NQT's extra vote?
Also, Max reread the OP, there are two cult teams guaranteed, why are you trying to obscure that?"There will be at least two cult teams" does not imply any further assumptions.
It tells us that if Jim is cult (as is likely) there is a 2nd cult that will have an opportunity for growth if we're too myopic. It's quite concerning that you're trying to downplay the clear risks here. Is it to do with your other wincon?I'm not downplaying anything. I'm suggesting there's more risk than is being assumed.
PfpUh huh... So, your plan to deal with more Cults is that we shouldn't vote out Jim... We should vote out someone who might be Cult and you can shoot Jim. Just verify that for me, real quick.
I'm not stalling shit. I'm trying to stop both scum teams at the same time. Don't get me wrong, hammering Jim today is probably the right move. But assuming Jim is legit scum (occams razor says so) the other team or teams get a big reprieve today and they know it. They want a quickhammer today. As I've been in literally this situation before, I'll be kicking myself if we make the wrong call. Web, you of all people should get this.
I bought a hotdog (much good it did me) so track away tonight.
Also, Max reread the OP, there are two cult teams guaranteed, why are you trying to obscure that?
Also also, I'm just town. That's my whole wincon.
Is it to do with your other wincon?Also, for the record, I'm assuming I will not win and I have decided I'm okay with that. I'm going to continue to play to my alignment and not my win condition.
Egan - gets offer to give up one of their abilities, prevented anyone from targeting WebadictPrevented everybody from "acting" on webby, besides myself, while making it so that whoever webby targets is actually a false copy of themselves while outside of the gamestate. And redirected a random one of his actions towards the false copy of myself.
Addressing Max's claim that his numbers didn't budge. I have definitive proof that that is not possible. (Or at least circumstantial proof) Put simply, there is no way for my numbers to have been altered the way they were based upon the number of actors. Therefore Max is lying. An easy way to check is if anyone used 4 AP or more last night. Most would have used 3 or less, depending.That isn't even evidence, much less proof.
PfpFour cults
Okay, I can see there might be more risk (hell knightwing's role showed us there are horrible things outside of the cults)— there might be four cults each with different conversion rules, each playing off the different numbers — town might not even outnumber the cults all added up.
I'm going to bed but before I do: Jim Jim. I've counted back and it's not the hammer yet.Thank God.
I wonder who grey goo'd me. Probably Toaster. Toaster is probably town?
... I think I can clear Jack and NQT.
For everyone else, I'd like to know who visited me last night, as I have a proper count of that.
We know that there's a second cultist (possible a third or fourth too). I have a way of killing (it required a bit of setup but I think I'm there). I could just kill Jim tonight, Web can track me doing it, and we can try and execute the second cult leader today.Uh, I can't do that. I can only track people with Hot Dogs. And you shouldn't have one, unless you bought one.
The REAL risk is that Jim avoids his justly-deserved elimination and recruits someone.
@Jim:
Who is Cult?
Who do I desire death if you are Town?
Is NJW being deceived or is he malicious?
deserved
I don't know how NJW2000 got the result he did and there are several methods for how this happened and a potentially significant proportion of the player base who might know and have no interest in revealing these details. Redirection, bus, framing, etc. Who knows.
Four cults
FOUR CULTS
AND I'M STILL TOWN
So.. That means I got targeted by someone who has probably been converted by now.
You can complain about NQT all you want, what I saw is not a role that a cultist would have. Maybe an SK, but not a cultist.
Of note, NQT wasn't Roleblocked last night. Aand I just bought a hot dog. Gonna need it if I don't die. Or get roleblocked.Nice to know you're still town.
Do you know how many people bought a Hot Dog?I see you haven't played a Fallacy game before. I'm actually not sure how you CAN'T believe that, considering that we all have Lucky Numbers, most of which we don't have solid information behind how they work. So, the fact that you think I'd have information that works with my Abilities that make no amount of sense at all, and I'm not even sure if I can buy my own Hot Dogs...I don't really care if you don't want to claim it right now; I just want to know if you know.Oh, you said you don't. Really? That's... weird.
...Or it's Max just screwing with you.^
Of note, NQT wasn't Roleblocked last night. Aand I just bought a hot dog. Gonna need it if I don't die. Or get roleblocked.I can give out Hot Dogs that stop people from being Blockable. They also give 1 AP.
Of note, NQT wasn't Roleblocked last night. Aand I just bought a hot dog. Gonna need it if I don't die. Or get roleblocked.Nice to know you're still town.
Telling us you're powering up, like you're the most important player, means you're town.
Powering up in secret would be you as cult recruit.
Don't let Jim talk you out of eliminating him! Don't fall for Jimnosis again! Please, I'm begging you!
Fallacy: Which happens first: inspect or recruit?Results may vary, but generally recruitment would resolve first.
Fallacy: Which happens first: inspect or recruit?Results may vary, but generally recruitment would resolve first.
on meta
PfpFour cults
Okay, I can see there might be more risk (hell knightwing's role showed us there are horrible things outside of the cults)— there might be four cults each with different conversion rules, each playing off the different numbers — town might not even outnumber the cults all added up.
FOUR CULTS
AND I'M STILL TOWN
I don't believe that's the case, since Jim only claimed 1 Action, and I believe that he performed more than 1.Fallacy: Which happens first: inspect or recruit?Results may vary, but generally recruitment would resolve first.
That's.... unfortunate. That means Jim COULD just be a recruit out to spend the rest of the day blowing smoke to cover for his leader. He still needs to go, at least.
Hm, my picks for Cultist other than Jim are:Yes I would!! Hahaha! And I would convert Jim under the guise of giving him an item, which I would explain him to do in Cult Chat. In addition, it would explain NJW's result. It would also be a lie.
NQT, although somebody apparently believes in his innocence. Or he Golden'd himself
ToonyMan - Begging the cults to recruit him is EXACTLY what he would do as a Cult Leader
Max as a distant third for misreading Knightwing
It does bother me that Max voted KW over NQT, but I believe he has been wrong as town at least once before.I've definitely been wrong as town before, but I don't even feel like this was wrong! Knightwing wasn't even playing, and he made a good test of which of two mental models of the game I had was closer to the right one. If he had played, I wouldn't have voted for him.
Hate me for thunderdoming NQT and Web.Eh, I would've stuck to it if Knightwing had said anything helpful. I even warned him I wanted to shift to him! I also had a Roleblock, so it wasn't particularly dangerous for me.
NJW: Why inspect Jim over me, given how gung ho you were to lynch me yesterday?Given I was very clearly into a web elimination with Jim as a second choice, this is an odd question, or at least an odd way to phrase it. I’m willing to ascribe that to an inflated idea of your place in the order of things.
I think, once Jim flips cultist, that clears NJW for today, although leaves him vulnerable to recruitment.Now this I’m not sure about because there is more than one cult, so only someone in the other cult would see my result on Jim as clearing me.
@Egan: You mind hitting NJW with your no-convert beam?
I'm not sure you haven't been converted web. Would make Egan the other.Hate me for thunderdoming NQT and Web.Eh, I would've stuck to it if Knightwing had said anything helpful. I even warned him I wanted to shift to him! I also had a Roleblock, so it wasn't particularly dangerous for me.
Egan, if you plan on blocking me or NQT, let me know, because I am going to Roleblock NQT.
You said earlier you wouldn't be able to block NQT tonight?Hate me for thunderdoming NQT and Web.Eh, I would've stuck to it if Knightwing had said anything helpful. I even warned him I wanted to shift to him! I also had a Roleblock, so it wasn't particularly dangerous for me.
Egan, if you plan on blocking me or NQT, let me know, because I am going to Roleblock NQT.
... Egan made all my Abilities target fake people.You said earlier you wouldn't be able to block NQT tonight?Hate me for thunderdoming NQT and Web.Eh, I would've stuck to it if Knightwing had said anything helpful. I even warned him I wanted to shift to him! I also had a Roleblock, so it wasn't particularly dangerous for me.
Egan, if you plan on blocking me or NQT, let me know, because I am going to Roleblock NQT.
Which Ability is that, and why won't Cult use it?I'm not sure you haven't been converted web. Would make Egan the other.Hate me for thunderdoming NQT and Web.Eh, I would've stuck to it if Knightwing had said anything helpful. I even warned him I wanted to shift to him! I also had a Roleblock, so it wasn't particularly dangerous for me.
Egan, if you plan on blocking me or NQT, let me know, because I am going to Roleblock NQT.
Blocking NQT is a very bad move, their ability is just too good.
... Egan_BW. When did you learn you targeted fake people webadict? I though Egan was a Jailer, not a Faker. And that response is meant to draw out information without outright asking.I found out when Egan said that that's how his Ability worked. All of my Abilities were successful, so I didn't know.
For reference, it prevents conversion (through preventing negative effects. Lifetime being it's tag, though Fal doesn't tell me what that tag does. Does that sound like a Cult leader ability?
That would be a no. Fairly sure it's AP.That still doesn't work for me, because I spent 3 (and 2 was my highest cost.)
... That sill means Max is odd for having no claimed shift.. sigh
Not sure what to say, unless your pink number moved.... Yes, I said that. My Green went up 2 and my Pink went up 4. What does Pink do?
I wonder if all Townies started at 0 for Pink...It sounds likely.
It's possible.I wonder if all Townies started at 0 for Pink...It sounds likely.
It's possible.That seems likely to me.
This assumption is difficult to make with nothing to go on.
In addition, this implies NQT is a townie and Egan is not.
Depends on what you're trying to learn, but anyone can buy a Hot Dog for any number they wish. Apparently, even me.I wonder if all Townies started at 0 for Pink...It sounds likely.
All right, do you want to try something exciting and exploratory?
If everyone buys a hot dog with pink number, I will learn something. I can't promise it's something useful, but it MIGHT be.
Did Egan suggest they had a Pink number greater than zero?It's possible.I wonder if all Townies started at 0 for Pink...It sounds likely.
This assumption is difficult to make with nothing to go on.
In addition, this implies NQT is a townie and Egan is not.
Depends on what you're trying to learn, but anyone can buy a Hot Dog for any number they wish. Apparently, even me.It's still possible to spend from zero, and I have a theory.
After D1, especially the way Max switched to the KW elim, I would really advise people to NOT do anything involving Web and Max. And especially not this.I wonder if all Townies started at 0 for Pink...It sounds likely.
All right, do you want to try something exciting and exploratory?
If everyone buys a hot dog with pink number, I will learn something. I can't promise it's something useful, but it MIGHT be.
Doesn't matter to me. Give me all the Pink, I don't care. I cannot be converted.Depends on what you're trying to learn, but anyone can buy a Hot Dog for any number they wish. Apparently, even me.It's still possible to spend from zero, and I have a theory.
The downside is that your pink number shoots up, though. Are you up for trying it?
NJW with the bad take, as usual. I like that you think Max and I are a team in a Cult game because of our Day 1 play, after you investigated Jim and got Cult and I could not possibly have acted on anyone unless Egan is also a part of that team.What if I converted you, with a super that goes through Egan's jailkeep, web. What about that.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that paranoid delusional logic.
I somehow feel that you're pink cult. (And I already bought one a while ago.)Did you buy it with pink or green?
And I guess I should clarify, you meant that you did it Yesterday or Today?I somehow feel that you're pink cult. (And I already bought one a while ago.)Did you buy it with pink or green?
I don't really think Egan is a cult leader.It's possible.That seems likely to me.
This assumption is difficult to make with nothing to go on.
In addition, this implies NQT is a townie and Egan is not.
Did Egan suggest they had a Pink number greater than zero?Egan said their Green number went up last night which implies their Green number was greater than their Pink.
Anyway, everyone who wants to convince me you're town, buy a hot dog with pink.No.
Today seems to just be ten pages of mostly number speculation. When you could just be looking for cult leaders. Not much worth responding to here, so I'm just going to reread D1 when I get a chance. Still have work to finish.I think Jim is probably a Cult Leader, sadly.
NJW with the bad take, as usual. I like that you think Max and I are a team in a Cult game because of our Day 1 play, after you investigated Jim and got Cult and I could not possibly have acted on anyone unless Egan is also a part of that team.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that paranoid delusional logic.
If you've been reading, today. And you spend points, not gain points.So I'm assuming you didn't buy it with pink, since you don't know you can still spend a zero.
Gonna park a vote on Jim then... Also investigate..... I think you just hammered.
If you could pick two people to confirm the alignment of, who would it be?
We were at four last Night, and I tried to Mamobo it, but NQT's vote didn't work for some reason, but we might not be at Hammer, too.I recommend we wait patiently to get Fallacy to confirm or deny.
We were at four last Night, and I tried to Mamobo it, but NQT's vote didn't work for some reason, but we might not be at Hammer, too.To be clear, I did count and we were at five (including NQT×2) before Tric's vote, but I don't know if anyone has some weird ability that affects this.
I could forgive people for not knowing since there have been zero vote counts for all of Day 2.Nice.
UnvoteNJW2000, you, Jack, NQT, NQT, Tric. None of these changed that I saw. Unless, again, some ability pertains that I don't know about.
I'm not seeing Hammer. Should be 6 to hammer, and I only see 5.
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6 votes hammers.
Not Voting (5): Egan_BW, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin, Toaster, ToonyMan
(Innate, 1-Shot, Auto) Eldritch Possession: Your spirit is indomitable and chaotic. When you die, as long as there is a living player you have used Kill Webadict Now successfully on, you automatically trade roles with them before any flip occurs, but unfortunately this ability publicly reveals its details as the price of doing so. Once your spirit has been transferred, it is weakened, and cannot use Day actions until a full Day has passed. When you ‘level up’, this ability’s shot reloads if it was expended.
(Innate, Auto) Gestate Firefly Brood: You may extract genetic code from your fireflies, and use their sacrifice to grow your decaying insectile legions. At the start of each Day, you may choose up to two non-Innate Firefly abilities you possess. Reduce each selected ability’s Lifetime by 1, then create two copies of the selected ability if you only chose one, or one copy of each ability you selected if you selected two of them.
(Innate, Auto) Mutate Firefly Brood: At the end of each Day, you may experiment with the genetics of one non-Innate Firefly ability you possess, transforming it into a different but similar ability randomly. The transformation will always be of some utility, and additionally the Lifetime of the ability will be increased by a minimum of 1. Less potent changes will result in more Lifetime increase, and vice versa.
(Lifetime 2, Auto) Firefly Hive: You may sacrifice your brood to produce more fuel for your fire - you may sacrifice up to two non-Innate Firefly abilities you possess at the start of the Night and gain 1 AP for each.
{AP0} (Lifetime 1, Night) Red Firefly Swarm [target]: Your swarming fireflies burn the target, reducing their red Lucky Number by 1.
{AP1} (Lifetime 1, Night) Firefly Warrior [target]: You assign your giant firefly soldier to assault your target. It will interfere with a random action costing 2 AP or less that they perform this Night, blocking it. If this action’s Lifetime is 1 when it is used, it will also inflict Burning on the target.
{AP1} (Lifetime 1, Night) Firefly Warrior [target]: You assign your giant firefly soldier to assault your target. It will interfere with a random action costing 2 AP or less that they perform this Night, blocking it. If this action’s Lifetime is 1 when it is used, it will also inflict Burning on the target.
{AP1} (Lifetime 1, Night) Firefly Guardian [target/self]: You assign your giant firefly soldier to defend your target. It will nullify the results of a randomly selected single negative action used on the target with an AP cost of 2 or less. If this action’s Lifetime is 1 when it is used, it will also inflict Burning on the user of the negative action prevented.
{AP1} (Lifetime 1, Night) Firefly Guardian [target/self]: You assign your giant firefly soldier to defend your target. It will nullify the results of a randomly selected single negative action used on the target with an AP cost of 2 or less. If this action’s Lifetime is 1 when it is used, it will also inflict Burning on the user of the negative action prevented.
{AP1} (Lifetime 1, Night) Firefly Guardian [target/self]: You assign your giant firefly soldier to defend your target. It will nullify the results of a randomly selected single negative action used on the target with an AP cost of 2 or less. If this action’s Lifetime is 1 when it is used, it will also inflict Burning on the user of the negative action prevented.
{AP1} (Lifetime 5, Night) Telepathic Firefly Spitter [target]: Your spitter drone spews a spray of brainmatter, learning the name and AP cost (if any) of one ability your target possesses. If this action’s Lifetime is 1 when it is used, it also detonates, and also learns the ability’s tags.
{AP2} (Single, Lifetime 2, Night) Firefly Honey Medic [target/self]: Your medical-honey worker smears healing honey on your target or yourself, removing all status conditions and increasing their red Lucky Number by 4. You may order the worker to add blood to its honey, which reduces its Lifetime by 1 and removes Disable from all its target’s abilities.
{AP0} (1-Shot, Night) Night of the Fireflies: You invoke a final swarm. For the duration of this Night, you may only use Firefly actions, but you gain 1 AP for every Firefly action you possess. You feed on the blood of your fallen, and increase your red and green Lucky Numbers by 2 for every Firefly ability destroyed this Night.
(Reference) (Status) Burning: Your red Lucky Number is reduced by 1 before the start of each Day while you are alive. If you would gain Burning while you already have Burning, instead this condition is updated to increase the reduction by 1.
(Innate, Auto) Software Modularization: You are a master of manipulating parallel threads and software objects. You are actually three players: Egan_AW, Egan_BW, and Egan_CW. You (plural) share the same Lucky Numbers (except for red), role name, vote / execution participation (as Egan_BW), alignment, and this Auto. Your other abilities are divided among you. You don’t get access to deadchat and lose the ability to post until all three of you are dead. Your alignment only death flips once all three of you are dead. Being executed will be the end of all three of you, but one of you being killed will only kill that section of yourself.
{APX} (Night) Pipe Processes [target][choices X]: You pipe the output of your target to unintended inputs. For each AP you spent on this action, redirect the primary target of one random targeted action your target is performing to another living player of your choice. You may choose the same player multiple times. If your own target is within a Virtual Machine, your choices will be assumed to refer to players or player copies also within the Virtual Machine.
{AP1} (3-Shot, Night) Boot In Virtual Machine [target/self]: You launch your target in a Virtual Machine. This moves them out of the game and into a temporary replica of the game state as it is currently. The player copies do not take any action, and any players you target with this action are not copied, and exist within the same replica. Player copies cannot be alignment converted. You may act on the players in the replicated game state even if you are not within the replicated game state, but no other player shares this privilege.
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6 votes hammers.
Not Voting (10): Egan_BW, EuchreJack, Maximum Spin, notquitethere, notquitethere, NJW2000, Toaster, ToonyMan, TricMagic, webadict
Webadict. Explain yourself.? Don't like Hot Dogs?
Time to finish the job on Egan. The cult theme seems to be cultists who can come back. I think we must have had exactly 2 cult leaders, Jim and Egan. I've got more reasons around this to unpack in a bit.Nope~ I would have needed to be redirected for that to occur. And I was only targeted by 1 person that night. As no one claimed to have done so, I doubt it was a redirection. That's the wrong thread to take to get me off of you, even if the Egan is odd.
Tric, pretty sure that's Toaster, as Jim's convert (or maybe Egans?)
I gooped up Toony on N1 with my sludge powers, the Magnus Opus. Dunno what happened N2, as I spent all my actions on my shot. Guess I got lucky Web decided not to block me.
Time to finish the job on Egan. The cult theme seems to be cultists who can come back. I think we must have had exactly 2 cult leaders, Jim and Egan. I've got more reasons around this to unpack in a bit.I did, kinda, but I do believe you.
Tric, pretty sure that's Toaster, as Jim's convert (or maybe Egans?)
I gooped up Toony on N1 with my sludge powers, the Magnus Opus. Dunno what happened N2, as I spent all my actions on my shot. Guess I got lucky Web decided not to block me.
Last is thus, someone may have tried to Convert me last night, as that purple number has dropped. A lot. From this, Red is a Death Counter, Green is Town Action-based, Purple is a Cult Counter, and Pink a Gift Counter.I don't believe that is what the Purple number does, as I can also drop Purple numbers, but I know notquitethere did not target you last Night.
Maximum Spin
TricMagic
ToonyMan
EuchreJack
webadict
NJW2000
Toaster
Cult 1
[s]Jim Groovester[/s] Dead Day 2
notquitethere
Cult Two
Cult Leader ???
Convert ???
Serial Town
[s]Knightwing64[/s] Dead Day 1
Egan_BW Dead Night 2/Revived Unknown.
@Tric:I believe Jim swapped with Jack.
Yes I tried to give you a gun.
Egan and Tric are town.
NQT and Jack are scum. I think we need to kill whoever Jim swapped with first though.
That is the same conclusion I came to last night.@Tric:I believe Jim swapped with Jack.
Yes I tried to give you a gun.
Egan and Tric are town.
NQT and Jack are scum. I think we need to kill whoever Jim swapped with first though.
We could kill Webadict. And in order for Jim to swap with Jack, I would need to be redirected to Jack. Jack would also have to avoid talking about the protection role.Jack didn't talk much at all about their role on D2.
Then who slimed Toony in this case. There is a contradiction there.Considering I was grey goo'd on N1 it might be a lingering after effect.
Toony does the slime restrict you or is it just a status?It's Disabling most of my abilities. I shouldn't say how Disabled I am at this point, but it's not good.
Toony, I doublechecked and my disable should have worn off by now. It sounds like someone else has messed with you.I made it so if you (and certain other players) targeted certain people, your Action wouldn't work. I thought it was supposed to be a Roleblock, but I can recheck.
Web, Egan died and came back and my shot was expended, so what did you actually do?
I'm at work, so dunno how much I can post.Why? I didn't give you a gun.
I got Toony's gun.
I have no idea. I apparently stole abilities instead of disabling them. Damn Fallacy.I'm at work, so dunno how much I can post.Why? I didn't give you a gun.
I got Toony's gun.
NJW, Web, and Max should have guns.
Jim had a gun but he is dead.
Tric says he has a gun, but I was told I wasn't able to give him it.
... apparently, we were all agreed that Toony should do nothing. :PA reasonable assumption, muahaha!
@Web: Uh, you know your results are a simulation and not reality, right?Is that not just for Night 1?
I do have a gun.I'm at work, so dunno how much I can post.Why? I didn't give you a gun.
I got Toony's gun.
NJW, Web, and Max should have guns.
Jim had a gun but he is dead.
Tric says he has a gun, but I was told I wasn't able to give him it.
Your gun sucks, I got better things to do, I think. Unless red numbers are actually important, like hitpoints.... apparently, we were all agreed that Toony should do nothing. :PA reasonable assumption, muahaha!
Also, I am immune to gun abilities so don't bother trying to shoot me.
Okay, never mind, it didn't Roleblock because it's just a really bad Ability. NQT killed Egan.Bullshit. I wouldn't claim to have a gun if I got it from Jim!@Web: Uh, you know your results are a simulation and not reality, right?Is that not just for Night 1?I do have a gun.I'm at work, so dunno how much I can post.Why? I didn't give you a gun.
I got Toony's gun.
NJW, Web, and Max should have guns.
Jim had a gun but he is dead.
Tric says he has a gun, but I was told I wasn't able to give him it.
Jack got Jim's old gun when he swapped roles.
Jack got Jim's old gun when he swapped roles.That would explain why it wasn't in the role flip.
Well, if I am going to just get scum gangbanged by Toony & Web, then fuck it.? Cool, so who did Jim swap with?
Well, if I am going to just get scum gangbanged by Toony & Web, then fuck it.It's better if you just admit you have Jim's role now. The black slime is part of Jim's role isn't it?
My call for role names just got overlooked and/or ignored huh.I have already claimed my role name.
My call for role names just got overlooked and/or ignored huh.Metagunsmith.
My call for role names just got overlooked and/or ignored huh.I'm basically a cultivator from Amazing Cultivation Simulator.
We know Jim had and used Kill Webadict Now. that have any links to Slime?Slime is apparently NQT.
Actually, I can confirm that as well, as I got a metagun.My call for role names just got overlooked and/or ignored huh.Metagunsmith.
Egan_BW.
Hrm. Hey, hey wuba, should I trust you? Would that be a good choice in this scenario?You may trust me, unless you are Cult, as I cannot be Converted. If Town loses their numbers, I cannot win, so trust me so long as you must win with Town, or believe I am not lying.
Egan's conditional also happens to be an AND. Eleimnate all Meme-filled Roles.TBH I forgot about that. I guess if town wins and both I and the 'meme role' are still in play I'll have to vote them out?
Time to finish the job on Egan. The cult theme seems to be cultists who can come back. I think we must have had exactly 2 cult leaders, Jim and Egan. I've got more reasons around this to unpack in a bit.
Tric, pretty sure that's Toaster, as Jim's convert (or maybe Egans?)
I gooped up Toony on N1 with my sludge powers, the Magnus Opus. Dunno what happened N2, as I spent all my actions on my shot. Guess I got lucky Web decided not to block me.
@Web: Uh, you know your results are a simulation and not reality, right?As far as I understand, my ability should have only put him in the matrix for one night, and then he comes back, because the text says "temporarily". It doesn't actually state a duration or anything but it would make sense.
So if NQT & Jim are the JimCult, who are the other Cult?Anyone but Tric and Egan, unless they're the two. But that would mean my top two town reads are scum.
Hmm... Max never bought a Hot Dog.
I don't eat hot dogs, can I get a nice sub sandwich instead or maybe a bean burrito?
I also didn't realize that it was time to submit actions until night was over because I wasn't really paying attention and fal edited it in rather than making a new post, so it didn't show up in my new replies.I also hate that he does this, I'll give you that.
It also can't be the Egans cause my end of night result registers 6 Town Players, and they were Town.Are you aware that Egan was three and is now two players?
I also hate that he does this, I'll give you that.^
unvote^Things that are a bad idea!
Hm. I'm a big enough person to admit I might be wrong here.Webadict. Explain yourself.? Don't like Hot Dogs?
Jack didn't receive any ability from me, lol.Thanks for confirming you're the second cult leader, Maximum Spin.
I don't know why ToonyMan seems to think I'm an archdevil again. I think he's misremembering that role.
I'm a shitty JOAT with no connection to any previous role I know about, and last night I made it impossible to act on me.
I didn't ultrakill Egan either.
Ugggh, it's probably Jack since he's making shit up.
Alternate theory: I was blocked and given stuff.If you got an ability, why don't you describe it and we can see if we can figure out where it came from? It's almost theoretically possible you could have copied one of mine, even.
Kinda stupid, but seems to match. I'm going back to voting NQT.
I spend X AP to mirror another player's ability costing X or less back onto them.Alternate theory: I was blocked and given stuff.If you got an ability, why don't you describe it and we can see if we can figure out where it came from? It's almost theoretically possible you could have copied one of mine, even.
Kinda stupid, but seems to match. I'm going back to voting NQT.
Whaaaat, rational discussion? What is this, a crossover episode?Don't make me shoot you.
I have never had an ability like that. I do actually have one almost sort of like that, but different, but I doubt it's related.I spend X AP to mirror another player's ability costing X or less back onto them.Alternate theory: I was blocked and given stuff.If you got an ability, why don't you describe it and we can see if we can figure out where it came from? It's almost theoretically possible you could have copied one of mine, even.
Kinda stupid, but seems to match. I'm going back to voting NQT.
Fallacy apparently plays too much Magic the Gathering, or maybe Yu GI Oh.Didn't somebody already claim a weeby role like that?
Considering our mod's an admitted bastard, you should at least consider they're the same if it's "almost sort of like that"...I have never had an ability like that. I do actually have one almost sort of like that, but different, but I doubt it's related.I spend X AP to mirror another player's ability costing X or less back onto them.Alternate theory: I was blocked and given stuff.If you got an ability, why don't you describe it and we can see if we can figure out where it came from? It's almost theoretically possible you could have copied one of mine, even.
Kinda stupid, but seems to match. I'm going back to voting NQT.Fallacy apparently plays too much Magic the Gathering, or maybe Yu GI Oh.Didn't somebody already claim a weeby role like that?
That was a fun filled night. I got visited by 4 people!Cult/Town counter
In other news, Egan was Town. He's dead now. I did however get some useful info, there are 6 Town remaining besides them. Which means there are 3 impostors among us. One of which is likely NQT as the original holder of the Firefly Guardian Ability. Truly bugs you out huh NQT?
Toony, did you give me a Gun?
Egan's conditional also happens to be an AND. Eleimnate all Meme-filled Roles.
Last is thus, someone may have tried to Convert me last night, as that purple number has dropped. A lot. From this, Red is a Death Counter, Green is Town Action-based, Purple is a Cult Counter, and Pink a Gift Counter.
I really want to lynch Egan though :(No.
I'm still wondering why the Hot Dog vender decided to shut down the Stand. Was kinda hoping for a second serving.First of all, don't unvote.
TBH, since I can't win with town, I'd rather be converted.Is your win condition to see me eliminated?
No? I could probably make that happen easy.TBH, since I can't win with town, I'd rather be converted.Is your win condition to see me eliminated?
TBH, since I can't win with town, I'd rather be converted.Yeah but why would anyone convert you if you already act in their favor?
Yeah but why would anyone convert you if you already act in their favor?I haven't been. I'm still playing to my current win condition, which requires that town win.
What is the extra part you can't accomplish?Yeah but why would anyone convert you if you already act in their favor?I haven't been. I'm still playing to my current win condition, which requires that town win.
I'm just saying, you know, if someone were to convert me, that would make my life easier.
What is the extra part you can't accomplish?Isn't it obvious?
No, but I'm not paying that much attention.What is the extra part you can't accomplish?Isn't it obvious?
No, but I'm not paying that much attention.I might as well give it away, I guess.
Makes about as much sense as anything else in this game.No, but I'm not paying that much attention.I might as well give it away, I guess.
I win if Town wins *and* Egan is out of the game, just like Egan also has to get rid of someone to win. There's probably someone who has to kill me to complete the circle. I'm guessing... Toonyman.
So I really want to lynch Egan.
I remember someone saying they had a secondary win condition, was that you?No? I could probably make that happen easy.TBH, since I can't win with town, I'd rather be converted.Is your win condition to see me eliminated?
I remember someone saying they had a secondary win condition, was that you?Yes. Do you just... not remember the previous Day?
This game was rigged from the start Max.Like I said Yesterday, I'm assuming I'm not gonna win. I'll do my best anyway.
Egan_BW (3): Maximum Spin, notquitethere, notquitethere
EuchreJack (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
notquitethere (3): TricMagic, webadict, EuchreJack
NJW2000 (0):
Toaster (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
webadict (0):
No Execution (0):
6 votes hammers.
Not Voting (4): Egan_BW, NJW2000, Toaster, ToonyMan
Unvote Though Given Notquitethere and Max aren't going to cooperate on this..... It was a joke. How is this not obvious by now?
What was that deal with the multiple mason pairs Day 1?
I just don't really see a decent path to victory here. I think we vote NQT because it narrows it down to one cult, but I don't really know. More thoughts when I have time.Who do you think is Cult after we vote NQT today?
I specifically got a gun that reduced red numbers and another cultivation ability. A shame, since I had used my one-shot super last night. Oh well.I gave Max a red rifle. No one else should have a red rifle.
How can you tell me this isn't like your Devil role when you want another player dead to win? Pretty sure you wanted to kill Knightwing in that game.No, but I'm not paying that much attention.I might as well give it away, I guess.
I win if Town wins *and* Egan is out of the game, just like Egan also has to get rid of someone to win. There's probably someone who has to kill me to complete the circle. I'm guessing... Toonyman.
So I really want to lynch Egan.
Tric and Egan are cleared because Tric didn't need to tell us how many town players there currently are if he was Cult. Maybe it's some smart mind game, but I don't like giving Tric much credit. This also means Egan is confirmed town if we believe Tric. In other words Tric and Egan are confirmed town, at least for today.
Web
Max
NJW
Toaster
Jack
N1 Report
NQT - glows gold (doesn't know why), has two votes, have they claimed being blocked?
Tric - claims bupkis
Jim - tried to inspect Web which would have also learned their wincon but it fails, receives item from Toony
Toony - gets an offer to give up one of their abilities, gives item to Jim, gives item to NJW, fails to give item to Webadict, gets grey goo'd
Jack - claims nothing
Egan - gets offer to give up one of their abilities, prevented anyone from targeting Webadict
Webadict - gave a deluxe hotdog to NQT which blocked him, but now NQT is probably unblockable tomorrow but Web says they can track NQT, claims they did three actions
NJW - inspected Jim result was Cult, hasn't confirmed item from Toony
Toaster - claims nadda
Max - claims they did three actions, otherwise nothing
PPE:My green number went up by 2, and my ability cost 2 AP. It might be a counter for our positive Town abilities. Who had another number go up again?Okay..."Jack - Has an ability that cost 2AP". Great.I don't really see why I have to do that when you already think I'm town.Like I said: I don't have anything worth offering. Anything I could offer wouldn't do anything for other players.Try to think at least half a step ahead. This is your opportunity to demonstrate that this claim is true, at least.
...You're the one that did the boon on yourself yesterday aren't you?Spoiler: Photo of Max spotted being nefarious (click to show/hide)
I gave Max a red rifle. No one else should have a red rifle.Anyone targeting me would have hit someone else.
How can you tell me this isn't like your Devil role when you want another player dead to win? Pretty sure you wanted to kill Knightwing in that game.That's actually fair, but that's the only similarity. It's not a repeat of that role or anything. Besides, in that one I was neutral and had to lynch (specifically) Knightwing OR survive. In this one I'm town but I have to win as town AND kill (any way, but it has to be complete) Egan.
Conveniently leaving yourself off the list.Dang dude, Toony not suspecting himself.
Web and Toony: Both of you have made confident claims that Jack is pretty likely the other leader. Why do you think this? I asked earlier and got no answer (unless I totally missed it)
I suppose I never did my full claim, which is that I tracked notquitethere. I also targeted ToonyMan, Max, and Toaster with that track, as well, but they either did not target anyone or have not eaten a Hot Dog.I think this means notquitethere started with nonzero pink number. I don't know if that means anything.
I also gave a Hot Dog to Egan_BW and NJW2000.
notquitethere targeted Egan_BW.
But anyways, I disabled these three from acting: Egan_BW, Maximum Spin and ToonyMan.Didn't work on me.
I gave items to Web, Max, and Tric last night.That might have been me?
I failed to give Tric an item for some reason.
Also I have been even further Disabled by black slime so now I can barely do anything. Thanks NQT.
Who did Jim swap with?
It's a player that had this Firefly role until now.
Egan - no, doesn't match what they claimed N1
NJW - no, doesn't match what they claimed N1
webadict - most likely not, doesn't match their Hotdog claim and nobody else would be the Hotdog Vendor
Max - probably not, they're probably the devil deal person and the firefly role doesn't match
Tric - probably not, they learned about the Lifetime tag on N1 so it doesn't seem like they had the role
NQT - probably not, doesn't match what little they've claimed, but more important I don't think Jim targets NQT
Jack - could be
Toaster - could be
I think Jim targeted either Jack or Toaster or maybe NQT.
I feel like it would be Jack personally.
It's also not whoever grey goo'd me, because it's not in this role.
If Toaster isn't lying about not gooing me, then NQT is probably the one that goo'd me N1. (And now black slime'd me N2)
We need to be thinking about the other cult leader today - not hammering until the end. I'd lean towards going over D1 with a fine-toothed comb, but there might be associative tells later on at least.Well, I've also been mulling over the "it's just Web" hypothesis, since Cult Leader plus one recruit would fit into Web being unable to act Night 1, but free to act Night 2.
Webadict... hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, but I'm less certain in my D1 read nonetheless.
EJ as cult leader...hmph. No offence, but do we catch Jim and completely miss cult!EJ for two days? Doesn't seem likely, and this doesn't seem like scum!EJ. I'm bad at reading Max and Toony, but not seeing them as scum. Going to have to look through Toaster's contributions D2 and D3, but not leaning towards them as cult leader. A not-that-small part of me is screaming "it's just Web", to be honest, but getting tomorrow wrong loses the game for us.
Sorry about basically posting nothing interesting thus far today, crazy day work and people-wise.
Web and Toony: Both of you have made confident claims that Jack is pretty likely the other leader. Why do you think this? I asked earlier and got no answer (unless I totally missed it)I thought Jack was Jim's convert, but that has been cleared(?) up as being NQT.
We need to be thinking about the other cult leader today - not hammering until the end. I'd lean towards going over D1 with a fine-toothed comb, but there might be associative tells later on at least.I don't really think Web is Cult. Max is more likely than Web in that world.
Webadict... hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, but I'm less certain in my D1 read nonetheless.
EJ as cult leader...hmph. No offence, but do we catch Jim and completely miss cult!EJ for two days? Doesn't seem likely, and this doesn't seem like scum!EJ. I'm bad at reading Max and Toony, but not seeing them as scum. Going to have to look through Toaster's contributions D2 and D3, but not leaning towards them as cult leader. A not-that-small part of me is screaming "it's just Web", to be honest, but getting tomorrow wrong loses the game for us.
Sorry about basically posting nothing interesting thus far today, crazy day work and people-wise.
Well, I've also been mulling over the "it's just Web" hypothesis, since Cult Leader plus one recruit would fit into Web being unable to act Night 1, but free to act Night 2.I couldn't Action anyone N1, so that's not really possible, unless you think Toaster was recruited Last Night. In the case of the Hot Dog theory, when did Toaster get a chance to eat the Hot Dog?
If that were the case, I'd say Toaster was Web's recruit, since not talking makes Toaster look more suspicious, and Toaster could have fed Web all that extra info that makes Web look townish.
But if that is the case, Web probably needs people to eat the hotdogs to recruit them, so just don't do that. :P
Also, why would I not just Hot Dog ToonyMan or Max?I agree with Web here Jack. Web converting Toaster over me or Max would be very strange.
But anyways, I disabled these three from acting: Egan_BW, Maximum Spin and ToonyMan.
I assume I only got two results because Egan_BW died temporarily.
What, Fallacy won't let you loot your own corpse?But anyways, I disabled these three from acting: Egan_BW, Maximum Spin and ToonyMan.
I assume I only got two results because Egan_BW died temporarily.
Probably just because I no actioned. And I didn't die temporarily, a third of me died extremely permanently. That third of me was also given a hot dog, which I can't use, because it's on my dead body...
I don't have that ability!"Free Samples" is the name of my Ability that gives out Hot Dogs. Maybe that'll prove to everyone I'm not Cult, hurrrr.
BTW, if I know the name of a (non-innate) ability owned by a living player, I can copy it onto someone next night. Can anyone think of any broken combos we could do that way?
Huh. Are you the memester I have to eliminate then?I'm willing to reject Fallacy's reality and substitute my own.
Eh. I'm gonna take it as a win if town wins, this game. I don't really see what I should have been doing to find memey roles, let alone eliminate them.
I can straight up steal that Godfather if you want to lose it for some reason, if it isn't innate.I kinda like not being able to be converted. >:| Plz no.
I don't actually care about this broken game anymore :PThis is usually why Cult games are bad.
Huh. Are you the memester I have to eliminate then?Yeaaaah, apparently Fallacy decided fuck the two of us in particular. I lied about there being a third one so you wouldn't try to kill me, but IDC, I'll just keep playing if I'm killed, what's Fallacy going to do to stop me?
Eh. I'm gonna take it as a win if town wins, this game. I don't really see what I should have been doing to find memey roles, let alone eliminate them.
Okay, no problem bro, just offering.I can straight up steal that Godfather if you want to lose it for some reason, if it isn't innate.I kinda like not being able to be converted. >:| Plz no.
*cough* yeah, out of all the words in the title, "Cult" was totally the one that makes it brokenI don't actually care about this broken game anymore :PThis is usually why Cult games are bad.
By the way, web, am I right in guessing that whatever ability you gave me a hot dog with "chose" me and did not "target" me?Um... No, I didn't target you with a Hot Dog?
Oh, right, you gave them to Egan and NJW2000, I see.Well, you either stole it, bought it, or someone gave it to you, because I didn't give you one.
So how the hell did I get one?
@Fallacy: Would a Hot Dog show up on Egan_BW's corpse if they had one?Yes.
I was explicitly informed that I received the hot dog and its ability after being informed that I died, so I'm pretty sure it's on my corpse yea.True, but I wanted to make sure it was there, and it might give SOME PEOPLE SOME FUCKING CLOSURE THAT I'M NOT CULT, but that's not likely.
Didn't buy it. It showed up at the end of the night. But I think this could have happened if one of my abilities silently failed, leaving me unexpectedly targetable. The hot dog would have been redirected from one of those players to me.Oh, right, you gave them to Egan and NJW2000, I see.Well, you either stole it, bought it, or someone gave it to you, because I didn't give you one.
So how the hell did I get one?
They are still available to purchase, though.
I don't have that ability!For what it's worth, I have an ability that would be helpful:
BTW, if I know the name of a (non-innate) ability owned by a living player, I can copy it onto someone next night. Can anyone think of any broken combos we could do that way?
I think you're probably right that it's Toaster -> NJW2000 for the last Cult... lol, because he tried to recruit Max! I bet Toaster tried to recruit either Jim Groovester or me, and it failed, since Toaster hasn't really said anything in particular.No, I think Max bussed Toony & Me, hence my getting the Gun.
I'm willing to Roleblock Toaster Tonight, if someone can keep NJW2000 in check, or vice versa.
Wait, doesn't that mean that EuchreJack is also Cult?
Wait, doesn't that mean that EuchreJack is also Cult?If someone tried to recruit me N2, yes.
No, I think Max bussed Toony & Me, hence my getting the Gun.Wrong. I won't explain why this is definitely wrong, but it is.
It also explains what happened with my disabling Max...it also got redirected to Toony, but since I already disabled Toony, it didn't do anything else.
That might actually be true that Toaster + NJW2000 + EuchreJack is scum if the 6 Town Players includes Egan_BW twice.Pretty sure I count as two town players in terms of nightgame and only one town player in terms of daygame/vote. So that count probably would double count me?
Not sure...
And the worst possible option: Tric misread his result, and we're all screwed.Wait, doesn't that mean that EuchreJack is also Cult?If someone tried to recruit me N2, yes.
If someone had recruited NJW2000 N1, not necessarily.
If NJW2000 is actually the cult leader, and didn't try to recruit me N2, not necessarily.
If Tric is right that there were 3 cult at the end of N2, it'd have to be the Jim Soul Recipient and a team of two, so I wasn't recruited N2 UNLESS Jack is also the Jim Soul Recipient.
On the other hand, if Egan actually does count as two town in that count and there are four cult, it's perfectly possible. Tric and Egan should probably both ask for clarification on that.
It's also possible that Tric's count doesn't apply at the *end* of N2, but I don't immediately know what that would imply. Probably a town loss. Haven't thought it through, not going to.No, I think Max bussed Toony & Me, hence my getting the Gun.Wrong. I won't explain why this is definitely wrong, but it is.
It also explains what happened with my disabling Max...it also got redirected to Toony, but since I already disabled Toony, it didn't do anything else.
I see web already figured out what I said about the towncount, but I'm leaving it.
Pretty sure I count as two town players in terms of nightgame and only one town player in terms of daygame/vote. So that count probably would double count me?You should ask Fallacy whether, hypothetically, a totally hypothetical action that counts how many players are town would count you twice.
I don't have that ability!For what it's worth, I have an ability that would be helpful:
BTW, if I know the name of a (non-innate) ability owned by a living player, I can copy it onto someone next night. Can anyone think of any broken combos we could do that way?
Gleaming Lotus Onyx Pearl+: You grow a perfect pearl shield around your target. Negative actions that are used on them this Night have their effects delayed until the next Night, but the effects of alignment conversion actions and Lucky Number reduction actions are completely nullified.
It prevents a person from being converted if you point it at them.
AgreedI don't have that ability!For what it's worth, I have an ability that would be helpful:
BTW, if I know the name of a (non-innate) ability owned by a living player, I can copy it onto someone next night. Can anyone think of any broken combos we could do that way?
Gleaming Lotus Onyx Pearl+: You grow a perfect pearl shield around your target. Negative actions that are used on them this Night have their effects delayed until the next Night, but the effects of alignment conversion actions and Lucky Number reduction actions are completely nullified.
It prevents a person from being converted if you point it at them.
That's good, but it would be faster to just copy Godfather onto someone.
Pretty sure I count as two town players in terms of nightgame and only one town player in terms of daygame/vote. So that count probably would double count me?You should ask Fallacy whether, hypothetically, a totally hypothetical action that counts how many players are town would count you twice.
Kind of feel like EuchreJack's panic misdirection is backing up the Yes, Actually, Someone Did Try To Convert Me N2 theory.
It would explain why I got the extra 1AP for "doing something funny", too. That's how you get extra AP from lol, lmao: if Fallacy thinks you caused something funny with your night action, you get +1 for the next night once per night. Which I did. Definitely sounds like causing someone to unexpectedly recruit two seemingly random players for the price of one would be something Fallacy finds funny.
It would explain why I got the extra 1AP for "doing something funny", too. That's how you get extra AP from lol, lmao: if Fallacy thinks you caused something funny with your night action, you get +1 for the next night once per night. Which I did. Definitely sounds like causing someone to unexpectedly recruit two seemingly random players for the price of one would be something Fallacy finds funny.lol
So, why is Hammering in these 72 hour long days such a bad thing?Have some fun Jack.
Seems to me, we only really do anything in the first 24 hours, and maybe the final 6 hours. The rest is wasted filler, where sometimes Town talks itself out of eliminating confirmed scum. Well, Fallacy did say it'd be horrible.
The rest is wasted filler, where sometimes Town talks itself out of eliminating confirmed scum. Well, Fallacy did say it'd be horrible.Town would have won if it talked itself out of eliminating confirmed scum last game.
@Max: Hmmm, maybe NJW2000 started as Cult Leader, and the Convert is the same as the inspect? That's why no inspect this time.Extremely possible! It could even be ToonyMan.
See? That's gloating!It would explain why I got the extra 1AP for "doing something funny", too. That's how you get extra AP from lol, lmao: if Fallacy thinks you caused something funny with your night action, you get +1 for the next night once per night. Which I did. Definitely sounds like causing someone to unexpectedly recruit two seemingly random players for the price of one would be something Fallacy finds funny.lol
Imagine for a moment the actual hypothetical world where ToonyMan is cult, and N1 he tries to convert web or Jim, and web is unconvertible and in a computer box or Jim is already a cult, so N2 he tries converting me, and gets Jack and NJW2000 as his team instead.Sounds like a sweet deal. 8)
Indeed. It's be highly preferable to this mess.Imagine for a moment the actual hypothetical world where ToonyMan is cult, and N1 he tries to convert web or Jim, and web is unconvertible and in a computer box or Jim is already a cult, so N2 he tries converting me, and gets Jack and NJW2000 as his team instead.Sounds like a sweet deal. 8)
Winners get to gloat.And since Egan & Max are already going to lose, skip those two. :P
Except Egan and Max. Hahaha!!
Maximum Spin
Hey Egan, let's see if you can win!
Maximum SpinIt won't even work.
Hey Egan, let's see if you can win!
So, why is Hammering in these 72 hour long days such a bad thing?Play to win by your wincon. And no, we can use today to actually scumhunt, whether it’s mechanical or tone based. I’ve been going through D1 and D2, because relying on mechanical in games like this is usually a pointless nightmare.
Seems to me, we only really do anything in the first 24 hours, and maybe the final 6 hours. The rest is wasted filler, where sometimes Town talks itself out of eliminating confirmed scum. Well, Fallacy did say it'd be horrible.
If anyone feels like lowering webs numbers a great deal tonight, I’m probably down.I'll take things a totally Town person would say.
Also, Egan claimed NQT had the Frefly Autos during Night 1 and NQT has yet to dispute that.Wrong.
Pfp
My role is Primordial Jelly, I can gunk people up with slime and I can automatically bounce low level negative stuff off me. Apparently that included Egan's auto inspect. I have never had any firefly role.
I've missed the last 20 hours of the game and I've just had laser eye surgery and shouldn't be on screens too much so I'm not reading back rn... have we found the teams yet?
Toony, is it specifically a Red Rifle? Or something else, cause if so you got redirected onto me, yet also tried to give me one. That's 2/4, you and whoever caused that vector to fail? (Or you either got that info from your hat, or can't give more than 1.)I gave Max a red rifle. No one else should have a red rifle.Anyone targeting me would have hit someone else.QuoteHow can you tell me this isn't like your Devil role when you want another player dead to win? Pretty sure you wanted to kill Knightwing in that game.That's actually fair, but that's the only similarity. It's not a repeat of that role or anything. Besides, in that one I was neutral and had to lynch (specifically) Knightwing OR survive. In this one I'm town but I have to win as town AND kill (any way, but it has to be complete) Egan.
I suppose I never did my full claim, which is that I tracked notquitethere. I also targeted ToonyMan, Max, and Toaster with that track, as well, but they either did not target anyone or have not eaten a Hot Dog.... Yeah, that was undoubtedly a Kill Egan Now. (Unless it was a poisonous hot dog.)
I also gave a Hot Dog to Egan_BW and NJW2000.
notquitethere targeted Egan_BW.
Initial thoughts:Toaster being the leader is exceedingly unlikely. They haven't really had anyone ... I guess on their side. It's entirely possible the Mason+Uncovertible+Miller is the result of a Pre-Day 1 action, or a Day 1 Action. Which would bump Max up far higher on the scale of possibilities...
I feel Web is the least likely to be Cult here, they were on death's door against NQT D1 and even though they both switched to Knightwing I feel like only one of them is scum. They've also been very open unlike some people. In addition, Web makes a poor convert because of their neardeath D1 and unconvertable claims.
Max is maybe possible. I think they're less likely because of the D1 boon thing (which I remember NQT chiding me for) but I don't really see Max with anyone but Web. They've had great synergy this game. In addition Max makes a poor convert because of their unconvertable claims.
NJW is possible. He caught Jim on D2 but that doesn't prove he isn't Cult. I think him not claiming any inspection today and saying there's a restriction is interesting. This makes me feel good about NJW because he could just lie and say he got a town result on someone to look good. Still has a hate boner for Web. In addition NJW makes a good convert target because of their inspect credibility and lack of unconvertable claims.
Jack is possible. They've been very open recently which I like. I think I agree that I don't really see them as a Cult Leader. I think Jack could be one of the Cult though. In addition Jack makes a poor convert target due to their unconvertable claims.
Toaster is possible. I think they're very likely to be Cult. I think there's a good chance Toaster is a Cult Leader with his convert being Jack or NJW. Web makes a good point that I couldn't tell you a single thing about Toaster. In addition Toaster makes an okay convert target due to their lack of unconvertable claim.
In my mind the remaining two Cult are (Leader first):
Max/Web - unlikely
Toaster/Jack - possible
Toaster/NJW - likely
Nah it's not Jim. We're Masons.
I am indeed Masons with webadict, and therefore nonconvertible, which is a great kind of townie but a less desirable automobile.Makes sense. I guess if Jim's scum then he's mafia with Wuba. Since wuba claimed miller-mason.I know webadict was lying about being masons with Jim, because I am masons with both web and Jim separately.
I am indeed Masons with Maximum Spin, and therefore nonconvertible, which is a great kind of townie but a less desirable automobile.God this is gonna be funny when the game ends and everything I claimed is true.
Do I want to say this is town webadict? Kind of.
But this is obviously town webadict since he and I are masons.At a meta guess, Jim is Cult, Toony is Cult. Jim is being quite audacious in their actions, which isn't normal unless he's playing up the meme so we don't look too deeply into his actions once he actually starts playing. Toony is Cult because Hats.
These are bad reads.If 6 players hammered Max, given the generally more cautious nature of scum, we might expect 4+ town players to get a boon. Depending on how potent a boon is, that could be a very good thing. I'm going to see how Max acts for the rest of the day, but if there is going to be a Max elimination then I'll be in on it.
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I feel like you're responsible for doing this to Max and are talking up its benefits to convince people to vote him.
Tell me what the boons do so that I know it's worth my while to vote Max (not that I will though).
Egan_BW and EuchreJack are probably town. I lean town on TricMagic. Knightwing64 should do something substantive instead of complaining about Jimnosis.
Jimnosis.
notquitethere, Toaster, and NJW2000 are kind of weird.
ToonyMan and webadict and Maximum Spin are fine. Either of them could easily be town or the cult leader since they would be currently unteamed and motivated to find other cult. My gut wants to say that Max and webadict are likelier to be town though.
Sorry, when I say dispute, I suppose I meant more "You have no proof other than you say it isn't." You aren't exactly trustworthy, and I have no reason to believe you. Plus, you're still voting Egan like someone that doesn't care who they vote as long as it isn't you.Also, Egan claimed NQT had the Frefly Autos during Night 1 and NQT has yet to dispute that.Wrong.Pfp
My role is Primordial Jelly, I can gunk people up with slime and I can automatically bounce low level negative stuff off me. Apparently that included Egan's auto inspect. I have never had any firefly role.
I've missed the last 20 hours of the game and I've just had laser eye surgery and shouldn't be on screens too much so I'm not reading back rn... have we found the teams yet?
Oh most certainly. NQT is not going to survive another night. (And if we end up dead, Max is most certainly Cult. Cause someone has been targeting me.) ... In order for Night 1 results to read the other way and NQT wasn't the Firefly Queen, a redirection would have had to be used. Max can bus people. Web never really tried to push this. (NQT, vote Webadict. Sure you die, but eh.)Indeed. It's be highly preferable to this mess.Imagine for a moment the actual hypothetical world where ToonyMan is cult, and N1 he tries to convert web or Jim, and web is unconvertible and in a computer box or Jim is already a cult, so N2 he tries converting me, and gets Jack and NJW2000 as his team instead.Sounds like a sweet deal. 8)
Anyways, Town may have enough firepower to kill Cult in the Night phase, otherwise anyone that isn't recruited loses.
In that case, we should lynch town, 2 townies get recruited by two cult leaders, and more players win than lose.Winners get to gloat.And since Egan & Max are already going to lose, skip those two. :P
Except Egan and Max. Hahaha!!
Sorry, when I say dispute, I suppose I meant more "You have no proof other than you say it isn't." You aren't exactly trustworthy, and I have no reason to believe you. Plus, you're still voting Egan like someone that doesn't care who they vote as long as it isn't you.Sorry, why isn't Egan cult? What have I missed? I did say I'm not in a position to read back right now. Maybe tomorrow. Eyes too bloodshot. I tried to kill Egan last night, who else do you expect me to vote??
You completely missed the previous post, or chose not to address it as a fallacy. Being untargetable Night 1 does bupkiss if you were recruited start of Day 1.Sorry, when I say dispute, I suppose I meant more "You have no proof other than you say it isn't." You aren't exactly trustworthy, and I have no reason to believe you. Plus, you're still voting Egan like someone that doesn't care who they vote as long as it isn't you.Also, Egan claimed NQT had the Frefly Autos during Night 1 and NQT has yet to dispute that.Wrong.Pfp
My role is Primordial Jelly, I can gunk people up with slime and I can automatically bounce low level negative stuff off me. Apparently that included Egan's auto inspect. I have never had any firefly role.
I've missed the last 20 hours of the game and I've just had laser eye surgery and shouldn't be on screens too much so I'm not reading back rn... have we found the teams yet?
@Tric, omfg, I'm the least likely to be Cult, let alone Cult Leader. Egan had me unable to target lr be targeted on N1, why are you always like this? My Actions are basically confirmed.
Tric says otherwise. Egan's play says otherwise. I don't expect anything from you because I think you are a lying liar that lies.Sorry, when I say dispute, I suppose I meant more "You have no proof other than you say it isn't." You aren't exactly trustworthy, and I have no reason to believe you. Plus, you're still voting Egan like someone that doesn't care who they vote as long as it isn't you.Sorry, why isn't Egan cult? What have I missed? I did say I'm not in a position to read back right now. Maybe tomorrow. Eyes too bloodshot. I tried to kill Egan last night, who else do you expect me to vote??
I'm playing to my wincon. I can't trust a living webadict not to block me. I can trust a dead webadict to win us the game. Do you want to be town confirmed Day 4?No, if you kill me, I want to stay fucking dead.
I can always revive Knightwing instead? (You can call it madness, but Miller claims aren't going to save you. Isn't that what you wanted?)I'm playing to my wincon. I can't trust a living webadict not to block me. I can trust a dead webadict to win us the game. Do you want to be town confirmed Day 4?No, if you kill me, I want to stay fucking dead.
As for the Jack question, that's less important than this one: You have yet to claim literally anything, would you like to start?
Tric, I don't think a wuba vote makes much sense. Could we switch back to NQT?A NQT vote doesn't actually solve anything. They're pretty much busted. We need to find the other cult today if town wants a chance of winning. It's most likely between Web/Max/Toony. But Web/Max are the most likely pair.
I could absolutely see Max/Web power scumming it with their bogus mason claim. But why isn't it Toaster/Egan? What have I missed?
Sorry I will stop posting until I am up to reading back the pages I missed.
If this is true, I think Tric is town, so let's park things on Webadict, Webadict. Feels good to vote him.
PfpI don't think Town has enough killpower, and if Town has enough, they all need to shoot the same Cult Leader with no redirects, blocks, or protects. It's probably over, Toony.
I'm busy at work today
We are not voting Web
NQT is literally outed scum and needs to die today
I think even Toaster can agree to that
Then we can shoot suspected remaining Cult tonight with the tons of guns I've given so far
I'd vote for me if it weren't against my wincon because I would love to escape this game.Not enough to lose, apparently. :P
I have a Town family to feed.I'd vote for me if it weren't against my wincon because I would love to escape this game.Not enough to lose, apparently. :P
Toaster: Wording says "is currently eliminated" which I'm guessing just means they have to currently be dead. If there's multiple meme roles they all have to be currently eliminated.Can confirm. Given the situation with Egan's multiples and my [redacted], I assume it means really most sincerely dead, because, again, fuck us in particular.
As far as I can tell the "we're in a chat together!" on day 1 was just typical insane random bluffing from Wuba. Doesn't really mean much that one of the people who caught on and joined the bluff happened to be cult leader.Can confirm. Actually, we decided it on day 1 of the LAST game. You can find it in my team's scumchat there; after I tell Jim we're going to claim masons, web suggests claiming masons next time.
To each other, apparentlyI have a Town family to feed.I'd vote for me if it weren't against my wincon because I would love to escape this game.Not enough to lose, apparently. :P
and I clearly don't have the firefly role,Why in the world are you talking about not having the Firefly role? NQT gets lynched, Cult messes with us, Town shoots Town, you shoot town, and we end up at in Lylo tommorow. Lynching NQT is a 0-Info lynch that has us shooting completely blindly tonight. That is not a good thing. And worst of all, MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE as Jim would say. I end up blocked, dead, and/or having to revive Knightwing in a Lylo situation. This is worst case scenario. Especially since we can't shoot my top suspects besides webadict, who could be argued to have been recruited last night and is an unknown factor.
...... You know, would Fallacy really put two miller town members in a single game? I inspect as the Meowfia, no fancy tricks about it. And that type of Miller you have also has a fatal flaw I could have taken advantage of if I knew it. I can grab a player's win condition.
Tric, does your Town count inspect everyone? Because it might be possible that I'm not counted in that total.
I should note that I AM a Miller, so you should ask if that counts. Also, I think the hidden aspect of my Millerness no longer matters: I actually do inspect as Mafia... To a Cult aligned player. I actually inspect as Cult to Town. It's all a part of Godfather, if Egan wants to copy that and verify what I'm saying. I was hoping to test NJW using this, but it doesn't really matter anymore.
Because, Tric, the only way I could have made you misread NQT's results is if I redirected you to me. That's the only redirection-type ability I have. Since I don't have the role you claim to have seen, either NQT really has it or someone else is to blame.and I clearly don't have the firefly role,Why in the world are you talking about not having the Firefly role?
Jack, go talk about Tricnosis.Ew. You might want to take albendazole for that.
NQT's slot has been solved. Jack's claimed to have been the one to disable Toony. The only way it isn't solved is if I got redirected night 1, and the numbers don't add up. Max or Web, those are the two that have to go. Web going means I can revive you rather you like it or not. Max going removes the redirection and bussing. Max gone means NQT (and Web) will get riddled with bullets. Web gone means I can revive them if town.I've already used up all my buses anyway.
NQT's slot has been solved. Jack's claimed to have been the one to disable Toony. The only way it isn't solved is if I got redirected night 1, and the numbers don't add up. Max or Web, those are the two that have to go. Web going means I can revive you rather you like it or not. Max going removes the redirection and bussing. Max gone means NQT (and Web) will get riddled with bullets. Web gone means I can revive them if town.
I'll applaud Jack for managing to solo his way through the game, yeah. But I'm also openly scum with the Miller claim so late, right? You're also openly scum since the only way you aren't is if I got redirected N1 to Jim's target.
Ninjamax.. Max, old buddy and enemy, old day 1 player~ Cult Lies.
You can say what you want. Even if it's rude. But tell me, who are the remaining 2 cultists? If you can't answer that, then you have no way of convincing me. As that's my main focus for the day, town just loses if we can't figure that out.NQT's slot has been solved. Jack's claimed to have been the one to disable Toony. The only way it isn't solved is if I got redirected night 1, and the numbers don't add up. Max or Web, those are the two that have to go. Web going means I can revive you rather you like it or not. Max going removes the redirection and bussing. Max gone means NQT (and Web) will get riddled with bullets. Web gone means I can revive them if town.
I'll applaud Jack for managing to solo his way through the game, yeah. But I'm also openly scum with the Miller claim so late, right? You're also openly scum since the only way you aren't is if I got redirected N1 to Jim's target.
Ninjamax.. Max, old buddy and enemy, old day 1 player~ Cult Lies.
https://youtu.be/LQCU36pkH7c
More realistically, it would be helpful if each player said whom they would like to shoot and whom they would like to protect.I would shoot somewhere inside Toaster/NJW/Jack.
You can say what you want. Even if it's rude. But tell me, who are the remaining 2 cultists? If you can't answer that, then you have no way of convincing me. As that's my main focus for the day, town just loses if we can't figure that out.I think it could be literally any combination but Max and Web.
I would protect (ideally from all negative things) Egan and Tric since we know they're 99.9% town.I agree but unfortunately Tric is about to lose the game for town so I have to annihilate him.
ClaimsThanks for this.
Hey web, what does the hot dog you gave NJW2000 do? I wasn't told. Is it the same as the other ones, +1AP?It's the same as the one you can buy. +1 AP.I would protect (ideally from all negative things) Egan and Tric since we know they're 99.9% town.I agree but unfortunately Tric is about to lose the game for town so I have to annihilate him.
Time to finish the job on Egan. The cult theme seems to be cultists who can come back. I think we must have had exactly 2 cult leaders, Jim and Egan. I've got more reasons around this to unpack in a bit.
It would explain why I got the extra 1AP for "doing something funny", too. That's how you get extra AP from lol, lmao: if Fallacy thinks you caused something funny with your night action, you get +1 for the next night once per night. Which I did. Definitely sounds like causing someone to unexpectedly recruit two seemingly random players for the price of one would be something Fallacy finds funny.Seriously, I don't get why FoU does stuff this. Like, "I found that funny" as a mechanic is deeply subjective and stupid, and makes the game less interesting because night actions are just random unpredictable chaos that don't matter except when they do.
Yep, that's exactly how voting in a multiball works!If this is true, I think Tric is town, so let's park things on Webadict, Webadict. Feels good to vote him.
Excellent evidence that Web is town
Yeah, feel free to start this again. Also look, NQT voted you! Time to tell them they're an idiot and ask like three people to vote them in consecutive posts! Make my life easy, I'm honestly struggling.If anyone feels like lowering webs numbers a great deal tonight, I’m probably down.I'll take things a totally Town person would say.
Telling me to copy the Godfather ability seems a little risky for a scum-wuba to do, right?You have to realize NJW2000 has nothing better than to pretend I am both omnipotently powerful and yet easily caught as scum. NJW2000 has claimed nothing except one inspect. They do not plan to participate in scumhunting because that is for the lowly Town to do.
You're back to quoting random people and telling them in one-to-one non-sequiturs that they have to believe you (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181625.msg8475463#msg8475463). That's not something you do as town. That's not something anyone does as town. Town players pressure people, and present cases on them. They don't just chase individuals and yell their ideas at them in the hope of building a consensus.Telling me to copy the Godfather ability seems a little risky for a scum-wuba to do, right?You have to realize NJW2000 has nothing better than to pretend I am both omnipotently powerful and yet easily caught as scum. NJW2000 has claimed nothing except one inspect. They do not plan to participate in scumhunting because that is for the lowly Town to do.
They are scum, and will do nothing else because Cults are a trash mechanic.
Seriously, I don't get why FoU does stuff this. Like, "I found that funny" as a mechanic is deeply subjective and stupid, and makes the game less interesting because night actions are just random unpredictable chaos that don't matter except when they do.Being completely honest, I'm not sure it has ever felt good. I guess FaBeByor was my fault for wanting to Win More and not having Roden bus me to make Jim look bad. That was probably the best role I've had in a Fallacy game. Interminable Mafia 3: Over And Over Again was also more or less fine, but not balanced at all, and I think I came in after the worst one.
This is getting me riled up because last time I expended effort on an FoU game, it did not feel good.
You're back to quoting random people and telling them in one-to-one non-sequiturs that they have to believe you (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181625.msg8475463#msg8475463). That's not something you do as town.Bro yes it is, I have had so many fights with him over this before he mostly stopped doing it to me. I think he only stopped doing ti to me because we agree on most reads now.
Who are you voting for, NJW?NQT at end of day if necessary, I said this. I don’t know how far off hammer we are so presently, nobody.
@Max… hmm. Web has been scum a lot against me, but I’ll check some old games to see if that’s true. Even if it is…I think the best example of such a fight was Traitors (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179780.0). Also I'm not just picking that one because I was right that time.
Being completely honest, I'm not sure it has ever felt good. I guess FaBeByor was my fault for wanting to Win More and not having Roden bus me to make Jim look bad. That was probably the best role I've had in a Fallacy game. Interminable Mafia 3: Over And Over Again was also more or less fine, but not balanced at all, and I think I came in after the worst one.I agree with this. He makes Roles that fit themes, but they feel hampered in ways that don't feel good because the potential that they could be powerful exists as long as Neptune aligns with Jupiter on Friday the 13th. It costs me 2 AP to give away my strongest Hot Dog, but then I can't do anything else in my role, so I have to commit to doing nothing if I want to use my strongest Hot Dog, which is why I don't.
Ultimately, I think he needs to try less hard to be madcap.
... I've made my stance on a NQT lynch pretty clear.Two reasons: 1) It only works on people that eat Hot Dogs because my role sucks. And 2) I misread that it only works if they eat my strongest Hot Dog, which means it was never happening anyway because the strongest Hot Dogs need to be EATEN TO WORK. Each type of Hot Dog makes the Ability do something different.
Also, you are not helping Max. Sticking me in a box will just make me hyperfocused on you. Why do you even have a box.
Webadict, if you stopped people from targeting me, why do I have a gun? Why did 4 people visit me last night if no one could target me. These ears don't lie.
I don't have that ability!I missed this. Restoring my role to the way it was at the start of the game wouldn’t be game breaking but it would be a good plan.
BTW, if I know the name of a (non-innate) ability owned by a living player, I can copy it onto someone next night. Can anyone think of any broken combos we could do that way?
blah blah blah I'm always rightNo.
I completely forgot about that game. Mmmm another fine mafia performance, that's two games linked now.@Max… hmm. Web has been scum a lot against me, but I’ll check some old games to see if that’s true. Even if it is…I think the best example of such a fight was Traitors (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179780.0). Also I'm not just picking that one because I was right that time.
I'm not scum, but I can see why people want to trust Egan the Immortal over me. I think people voting me need to explain why they're doing it for the town wincon and not their cult wincon, because if I were the last Jim cult team member then I am the one person cult want to kill.Why did you want Egan over Jack? If you're town NQT then Jack has to be Jim's convert.
Who is on my wagon right now? Because that's where you will find cult.
Tric and NJW are clearly lock town, no two ways about it.
To those complaining about the setup: consider the name of the game you signed up for~No.
Pfp on trainDon't you want my Godfather Ability so you can be shown how wrong you were? Aren't you afraid of being Culted? Weird.I don't have that ability!I missed this. Restoring my role to the way it was at the start of the game wouldn’t be game breaking but it would be a good plan.
BTW, if I know the name of a (non-innate) ability owned by a living player, I can copy it onto someone next night. Can anyone think of any broken combos we could do that way?
If you want the inspect, it’s called Blood Divination, and it’s better if someone else uses it than I do, due to certain tricky features of my role. Take care who you copy it onto, though.
Past Me:Now, hey, I thought Knightwing was probably town by the end but I still wanted to lynch him because I was sure that the world where he was town was the world where Jim was one cult leader and the other was probably NJW, Toaster, or you. Just because I think someone's town doesn't make that player a bad lynch if it means I know who I should be going for next.
1. "Guys don't lynch Knightwing I think he's probably town." Knightwing flips town.
To those complaining about the setup: consider the name of the game you signed up for~You're right, I should've known since it says "Fallacy's".
yes.To those complaining about the setup: consider the name of the game you signed up for~No.
Meanwhile, notquitethere probably wasn't scum d1 if he was the firefly man, so the other world, where knightwing and NQT were scum, was wrong then. I seem to recall you being convinced NQT was scum d1, although I'm not looking back to check.I was on the fence about NQT with it depending on Web's alignment.
Don't you want my Godfather Ability so you can be shown how wrong you were? Aren't you afraid of being Culted? Weird.This can’t really be a genuine argument, so I guess you’re just baiting me for fun.
I was on the fence about NQT with it depending on Web's alignment.Sure, sure, I'm not trying to take away your credit, I just want you to know where I was coming from re: Knightwing.
I said I would be voting either Web or Jim on D1 and that's what I did. I may have been wrong about NQT and Web, but because of the way the game has played out I have ultimately been always right!
I don't mind if you stop posting, that would be preferable.And so webadict's true color shines through. Push an argument till the other side just quits, then push their own as truth.
Tric, you really do love protecting scum over Town at every possible moment, don't you?I don't mind if you stop posting, that would be preferable.And so webadict's true color shines through. Push an argument till the other side just quits, then push their own as truth.
Webadict, I think you are getting too harsh.Tric, you really do love protecting scum over Town at every possible moment, don't you?I don't mind if you stop posting, that would be preferable.And so webadict's true color shines through. Push an argument till the other side just quits, then push their own as truth.
Webadict, I think you are getting too harsh.Yeah, you're probably right. If someone else can deal with Tric and get him to understand that he's tunneled something bad, that'd be appreciated.
Wow, feels weird being the one to say that.
Does it even matter that Tric is tunneling hard?Webadict, I think you are getting too harsh.Yeah, you're probably right. If someone else can deal with Tric and get him to understand that he's tunneled something bad, that'd be appreciated.
Wow, feels weird being the one to say that.
I can Roleblock either EuchreJack, NJW, or Toaster, but I'm less on board with Toaster as things go on. I think the count is funky.
... I'm not sure you thought that post through before posting it Jack?Does it even matter that Tric is tunneling hard?Webadict, I think you are getting too harsh.Yeah, you're probably right. If someone else can deal with Tric and get him to understand that he's tunneled something bad, that'd be appreciated.
Wow, feels weird being the one to say that.
I can Roleblock either EuchreJack, NJW, or Toaster, but I'm less on board with Toaster as things go on. I think the count is funky.
Maybe he'll protect town or shoot scum due to being so wrong...
I'm not scum, but I can see why people want to trust Egan the Immortal over me. I think people voting me need to explain why they're doing it for the town wincon and not their cult wincon, because if I were the last Jim cult team member then I am the one person cult want to kill.Wow, you don't even know optimum cult play, you're too stuck in survival mode.
Who is on my wagon right now? Because that's where you will find cult.
Tric and NJW are clearly lock town, no two ways about it.
I put as much thought into it as I cared to.... I'm not sure you thought that post through before posting it Jack?Does it even matter that Tric is tunneling hard?Webadict, I think you are getting too harsh.Yeah, you're probably right. If someone else can deal with Tric and get him to understand that he's tunneled something bad, that'd be appreciated.
Wow, feels weird being the one to say that.
I can Roleblock either EuchreJack, NJW, or Toaster, but I'm less on board with Toaster as things go on. I think the count is funky.
Maybe he'll protect town or shoot scum due to being so wrong...
You mind if I don't overthink this too hard and just get NQT out?Yeah, don't think too hard
Jack is scum for sure though, hmm.
Cult job application:First, that's my schtick. Second, that's my gun!
Dear Cult #2 aka The Winning NotJim Cult.
I propose to shoot one player for 3 red hit points, and will protect/prevent convert on another player. If you want the info, you'll just have to convert me.
though giving me a role where I can day action to give myself 999 extra votes and then muda muda muda muda someone to ultradeath would be epic funny, falThere was a role called the Infinity Voter in Vote Mafia that could do that.
Egan, please put Jack in the box tonight where he will be safe.Ok, that is funny
... lol, jack in the box
Egan_BW (0):
EuchreJack (0):
Maximum Spin (1): TricMagic
notquitethere (3): webadict, EuchreJack, Egan_BW
NJW2000 (1): Maximum Spin
Toaster (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
webadict (2): notquitethere, notquitethere
No Execution (0):
6 votes hammers.
Not Voting (3): NJW2000, Toaster, ToonyMan
Egan, please put Jack in the box tonight where he will be safe.My fragment which could box people is dead and unrevivable.
... lol, jack in the box
Well, the part of me that would die for a good joke is sad.Egan, please put Jack in the box tonight where he will be safe.My fragment which could box people is dead and unrevivable.
... lol, jack in the box
See, this is why I want to be recruited. So I don't have to be offended when people accuse me of being cult.People wouldn't accuse you of being Cult if you didn't act like you were Recruited.
You have no Fucking clue how I would act if I was recruited.See, this is why I want to be recruited. So I don't have to be offended when people accuse me of being cult.People wouldn't accuse you of being Cult if you didn't act like you were Recruited.
Sometimes web has been asking me to tell people what the hot dog does. When I received one Fal didn't actually tell me lol, which leads me to assume I'm supposed to just read it based on the start of day 1 info box.
I'm starting to think Toaster is just Useless Town, but could totally be a Cult Leader. I might be overestimating Toaster's abilities.
Don't bother recruiting me tonight because I can't be recruited.
...Fallacy's Horrible Cults deserves time and focus?I have realized after the fact that this game is basically a shitpost.
But it's a B12 shitpost, so we're all taking it super seriously....Fallacy's Horrible Cults deserves time and focus?I have realized after the fact that this game is basically a shitpost.
Also what if Tric's count is wrong because someone is third party?I considered that, but I don't think that's probably right. The only one I can think of is that Millers don't count in that, which would mean that ONLY 1 person is Cult... If you can actually believe that nonsense. I don't think I can, because it's quite silly.
So, did Toony claim to be blocked before or after my claim?No, I think Toony has given out guns every Day so far.
@NJW:Why is Max town?blah blah blah I'm always rightNo.
I have always been right in this game. Me.
Past Me:
1. "Guys don't lynch Knightwing I think he's probably town." Knightwing flips town.
2. "Guys I think there's scum inside NQT/Jim/Web." Jim was scum and so is NQT.
Current Me:
3. "NQT and Jack need to die. Toaster needs to die if Jack is innocent."
4. "Tric and Egan are almost definitely town."
5. "Web and Max are most likely town."
6. "Two scum are inside Toaster/NJW/Jack."
@Max:I completely forgot about that game. Mmmm another fine mafia performance, that's two games linked now.@Max… hmm. Web has been scum a lot against me, but I’ll check some old games to see if that’s true. Even if it is…I think the best example of such a fight was Traitors (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179780.0). Also I'm not just picking that one because I was right that time.
@NQT:I'm not scum, but I can see why people want to trust Egan the Immortal over me. I think people voting me need to explain why they're doing it for the town wincon and not their cult wincon, because if I were the last Jim cult team member then I am the one person cult want to kill.Why did you want Egan over Jack? If you're town NQT then Jack has to be Jim's convert.
Who is on my wagon right now? Because that's where you will find cult.
Tric and NJW are clearly lock town, no two ways about it.
Also, Egan can't be scum unless Tric is lying.
You shouldn't be voting anybody but Jack right now because you should know for sure he's scum.
Trying to solve the gameTric does this look like a scum player to you?
Alternate theory:Jim and NJW confirmed I gave them guns on N1. I couldn't have had a recruit do it.
Toonyman keeps requesting to be recruited, which has me thinking (but not saying) that he's immune to recruitment.
But maybe he's just the Cult Leader, planting that idea into weak minds such as mine.
As for Toonyman claiming to give out guns, that is suspicious since I had blocked Toonyman and Toonyman is adamant that I didn't get a gun from him. He could just as easy had his Recruit give out guns, then claimed the results as his own. It even confirmed him as a friendly gunsmith instead of something more sinister. So...yeah maybe should keep an eye on Toonyman, unless someone sees some flaws in this.
Jack you literally stole my innate gun making ability and are suspecting whether I can actually make guns.lol why is this so funny?
Convenient
Egan_BW (0):
EuchreJack (0):
Maximum Spin (1): TricMagic
notquitethere (6): webadict, EuchreJack, Egan_BW, Toaster, Maximum Spin, ToonyMan
NJW2000 (0):
Toaster (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
webadict (2): notquitethere, notquitethere
No Execution (0):
6 votes hammers.
Not Voting (1): NJW2000
{AP3} (Innate, Double, Day) Kill Webadict Now [choice]: You wield the stolen powers of the original Webadict. While you are the only living member of your faction, you may choose a player who has unvoted off you this Day and attempt to convert their alignment to Cult. If this is successful, you grant them your primary win condition and access to your private cultchat. If this fails - such as if your target is already Cult, or they are immune to conversion, your AP is refunded, but you are not told why this action failed, and you may not attempt to use this action on that player again this Day.
(Innate, 1-Shot, Auto) Eldritch Possession: Your spirit is indomitable and chaotic. When you die, as long as there is a living player you have used Kill Webadict Now successfully on, you automatically trade roles with them before any flip occurs, but unfortunately this ability publicly reveals its details as the price of doing so. Once your spirit has been transferred, it is weakened, and cannot use Day actions until a full Day has passed. When you ‘level up’, this ability’s shot reloads if it was expended.
(Innate, Auto) Experience Siphon: You are a natural sink for Experience. Whenever a player who is a living member of your Cult faction, other than yourself, gains Experience, you gain twice that much Experience as well. Unlike other players, when you ‘level up’, your Experience is reduced by 10 instead of being reset to 0, and you will ‘level up’ multiple times just before the start of a Day if possible given your current Experience. You also automatically learn the Experience gain triggers of any players you recruit with Kill Webadict Now.
{2AP} (4-Shot, Night) Jim Of All Trades [target]: You can do anything! No, not really. But you can do a few things, even without having grown in power. You can only use each mode up to twice, though!
—Track: You learn which player or players your target visited this Night.
—Block: You block your target’s actions this Night.
—Inspect: You learn your target’s alignment and entire win condition.
—Protect: You protect your target from being killed or having their Lucky Numbers reduced this Night.
—Redirect: Also has a [choice] tag. All targeted actions your target performs this Night have their primary targets changed to your chosen player.
{3AP} (Super, 1-Shot, Night) One In The Chamber [target]: You have one Bullet left. But in a game without other Bullets, that’s all it takes. You kill your target and nothing can prevent this from happening, except another Super ability. They are permanently unable to revive or be revived, and this fact is publicly revealed. This ability absolutely cannot regain its shot after it is used.
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5 votes hammers.
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Seems I was killed by One In The Chamber, since I'm unrevivable. So NQT used Jim's role on night 2 to shoot me.One of my abilities is called One In The Chamber but it doesn't work exactly like that. I think NQT or Jim copied my ability at some point since it's too much of a coincidence.
An unlucky shot, since anyone else would have died.
And this is why you don't vote every player on D1.
I couldn't give any guns out last night because of somebody.
Who killed NQT?
Also, the green number is experience. If it reaches 10 it resets to 0 and you gain an new ability themed to your role.
And then I can delevel you, muah ha ha.
And this is why you don't vote every player on D1.Lol. Was it me? Because I did not intentionally target you if that's the case.
I couldn't give any guns out last night because of somebody.
Who killed NQT?
Hm... What a weird fucking game.Literally half?
I leveled up from ubexperience? I can now give out my Godfather passive as an Ability, have an extra vote, AND I also have a fancy hat.
I can also tell you that Pink points are good. I am going to make a Wish, though I'm not entirely sure how it'll affect the game, but that'll hopefully give Town a chance, even though I know half of you aren't currently Town.
Also, only Webadict visited me last night, so no getting out of that. (Thanks for the Hot Dog.)This is true, so maybe we did correctly target. But NQT is missing a hot dog.
My shot against NQT failed cause they were already dead. Can't target dead players>can't give the dead hot dogs.My Action was successful, however.
My Metaforge was disabled last night so I couldn't do anything. Jack claimed that. It was like black slime not unlike NQT. NQT also had my One In The Chamber ability. I feel like NQT and Jack keep sharing things in common and it's bizarre. Like how my Red Rifle never got to Max and instead NJW/Jack/Tric all got copies of it.And this is why you don't vote every player on D1.Lol. Was it me? Because I did not intentionally target you if that's the case.
I couldn't give any guns out last night because of somebody.
Who killed NQT?
In fact, I'd hasten a guess that multiple people did not target the person they were aiming for.
Max, you did not call yourself a Commuter. I completely failed to target you with my inspect.I don't know. Why am I Cult?
On the other side of things, would the real ToonyMan stand up. You are accused of crimes against felines. Why are you Cult?
I'm guessing one possibility is that NJW or Jack (or Toaster?) converted Tric last night. With Max out of the game that's 3 Cult vs 4 Town I think. So they just need to kill one of us.I actually DON'T think that NJW or Jack (or Toaster) converted Tric last Night.
I still think Egan is town here.
It's also possible Tric is still town, but then a Max-style bus or some Jack-copying shenanigans is going on.
Right, since Tric has a Hotdog.I'm guessing one possibility is that NJW or Jack (or Toaster?) converted Tric last night. With Max out of the game that's 3 Cult vs 4 Town I think. So they just need to kill one of us.I actually DON'T think that NJW or Jack (or Toaster) converted Tric last Night.
I still think Egan is town here.
It's also possible Tric is still town, but then a Max-style bus or some Jack-copying shenanigans is going on.
I see we're at a bit of an understanding about how Hot Dogs workI was in that game!
So, Toony, did you recruit NJW or did NJW recruit you?I can't answer that.
Well, what if I wished you were Town?Web I've spent the whole game wishing I was Cult.
Would you want that?
I've no clue about the hot dogs, but I really question you saying a ninja visited me.My numbers definitely changed by a bit (But I also gained some from my Hot Dog stand.) It seems some people tried to shoot my Red Numbers down a bit, which is rather silly because I have high amount, but I was definitely shot at least once, likely by NJW2000.
The obvious Cult recruiter happens to be Jack with their Black Goo, I think. (Max disappearing on us is just annoying. And probably self-triggered to avoid any guns last night.) Did anyone's numbers change last night? (Mine don't seem to have, for whatever reason.)
Sadly you're Cult Toony, cats don't lie.
Why would Jack disable me if he recruited me?^This.
Why would a recruited player lie?You can't lie on the internet!
Why would a recruited player lie?Did anyone receive a gun today? Anyone?
You literally went after TricMagic as your defense at the beginning of the Day, instead of going after confirmed scums Jack and NJW. You could've just said you were framed.What? I think I agree with Tric being town.
Also, I know NJW is scum because he didn't immediately claim an Inspect target.That's because he's...poor at mafia.
Then who do you plan to vote, Toony? You can go after anyone. That's why we're waiting to see who you vote and why.Quite a predicament whether I vote NJW or Jack, hehehe.
You can probably figure it out Web. I believe in you.Yeeeah, I know.
I'll even give you a hint: I've been right this whole game.
It seems some people tried to shoot my Red Numbers down a bit, which is rather silly because I have high amount, but I was definitely shot at least once, likely by NJW2000.Yep, I have been trying to kill Web unsuccessfully for the whole game.
Also, I know NJW is scum because he didn't immediately claim an Inspect target.My role involves sacrificial magic. Using it damages me... generally. Unless I can kill someone, but I haven't been able to until now.
Max, you did not call yourself a Commuter. I completely failed to target you with my inspect.Did you have an inspect result on Toony?
On the other side of things, would the real ToonyMan stand up. You are accused of crimes against felines. Why are you Cult?
This all probably is very obvious to you. The problem is, you're scum, apparently with Toony.Dang dude, you're really committed to the bit, eh?
But which one is willing to do it! This may tell us something
... instead of going after confirmed scums Jack and NJW. You could've just said you were framed.
Anyway, Fallacy may absolutely curse me for what I just wished for. Heck, I may even turn into Cult, and if I do, I apologize. I wished for some really, really stupid shit.And now - a "wish" that's going to have bad effects, because he did something stupid for wacky webadict reasons, rather than actually helping town.
To be honest, I don't know why you're making a huge song and dance about proving you have an ability called "Godfather". You're smart enough to pull gambits, so nothing like that townconfirms you to me. Heck, maybe you've recruited Egan - it's a pretty smart move in any case. Maybe you've been given a miller ability as scum - I think FoU's done it before. I don't have to wade through endless nonsense to realise that this doesn't clear you, however much you repeat that it does. My main question here is why Egan didn't want an inspect or something else that's helpful.This all probably is very obvious to you. The problem is, you're scum, apparently with Toony.Dang dude, you're really committed to the bit, eh?
You'll notice that Egan didn't fail to target my Ability. They only failed to target Maximum Spin. Thus, it is proven I have an Ability called Godfather. And why would I bother trying to prove an Ability like that... Unless it did what I said it could.
Who do you think is Town? Why do you think they're Town?
@Fallacy: Hot dog on the corpse?Actually, the corpse had no Hot Dogs.
I'll be doublevoting you as soon as I figure out if I am massively screwed or not. Heck, you still have a chance to win because I wished for a really, really dumb thing.I just received Metaducttape during the day which let's me merge two abilities together but costs all of my Pink Lucky Number.
I did not claim yesterday, because my action involved damaging myself a fair amount, and I wasn't willing to go public with this information because someone had killing power. Sadly, the players that get that kind of hint seem to be the players that are scum.I guess this makes sense to me.
I have not used my inspect again, because the penalty for using multiple actions is high, and the penalty for using duplicate actions is higher. I would be dead if I had used the follow+damage on NQT at the same time as reusing the inspect, and finishing the NQT cult was higher priority than finding cult when I'd already sussed the cult leader from D1.
This all probably is very obvious to you. The problem is, you're scum, apparently with Toony.Why didn't you shoot NQT and track Web instead?
You who wish to pray to your new Hot Dog Crime God may do so, and I will bless them with thine Blessed Hot Dog Harvest.No.
How many Pink Lucky Numbers do you have?It's gone up to 6 at this point. It went up to 5 yesterday.
@Toony: Cult can't be me, Tric, and Egan because we control half the votes, and we probably win. Also... That means that you accept that NJW and EuchreJack are definitely Town, which, like, sure.It's a good point, but not necessarily. Both NJW and Jack have guns that could possibly kill one of you, and what if Max comes back tomorrow?
It's impossible for Cult to be Egan AND Tric, either, since they were almost entirely likely to be Town Day 3, unless you think both were recruited last Night. I don't see that as being possible.It's not impossible just not likely from my perspective and intuition.
Also, you could still be the Cult Leader. It's not entirely unlikely, either, but it involves a bit of thinking.It's very unlikely.
You could've attempted to recruit either Jim or I on Night 1, tried to recruit Max Night 2 (and got NJW and EJ), and then maybe you tried to recruit Max on Night 3 again. That's all completely believable, no?
The main issue is that who is the other cultist? As we are, we know you're one.Wrong.
NQT/Jim team is dead. Which means you're likely part of the last and don't actually have the numbers or recruitment to deal with this, given I'd spend Night 4 investigating Jack/NJW.This game will be over for one side or the other by the beginning of tomorrow. Inspects don't matter, let alone double inspects or triple inspects.
You'll notice that Egan didn't fail to target my Ability. They only failed to target Maximum Spin. Thus, it is proven I have an Ability called Godfather. And why would I bother trying to prove an Ability like that... Unless it did what I said it could.
You can't say you're right and all else is wrong. Someone killed NQT, why not your side? I inspect the alignment of players, switching my target only makes me inspect them, not mess with the result. If you're not cult, then that makes webadict cult. But your first instinct is to discredit my result?Think about how carried you are.
Although I have to wonder where Max went and whether Egan would win if town won right now with Max "out of play".BTW the benevolent gods of levelup have granted me a plan with regards to Max which doesn't require killing him.
Egan: why did you copy godfather rather than an inspect? Maybe you gave a logic for this, but I didn't see it.
Oh Almighty webadict, please hear my prayer: As the dead sinful Jim still cherished your hot dog, may you have pity upon his soul, and deliver unto us a revived Town-confirmed Jim!This is the kind of thing I like to hear!
@Fallacy Praise-Praise the great horned webadict!Which clone would you like your Hot Dog on? A or C?
^that should have been the wishI considered things like that. But, I realized that this game is a giant memefest, so I decided to meme Fallacy back, because wishing for something like that could also backfire, as opposed to not wishing for that, which can't backfire because I have no expectations!
I will note that my Godfather Ability has been changed and made Innate, prooooobably because it now gives me 2 votes and makes me count as Mafia only now (Instead of as Cult when being inspected as Town.) That probably means you can't copy it though.Egan: why did you copy godfather rather than an inspect? Maybe you gave a logic for this, but I didn't see it.
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I need the name of an ability to copy it, and nobody named one I saw. I also can't copy onto myself, and giving someone else an inspect they can use the night after is both slower and less reliable than giving someone conversion immunity. How exactly is copying an inspect supposed to help??
A. Not sure what it does but A benefits more from bonus AP.@Fallacy Praise-Praise the great horned webadict!Which clone would you like your Hot Dog on? A or C?
It gives 2 AP, on the condition that you do not target me. That condition is hidden, though, so you'll merely have to believe me that targeting me is a... bad idea.A. Not sure what it does but A benefits more from bonus AP.@Fallacy Praise-Praise the great horned webadict!Which clone would you like your Hot Dog on? A or C?
I have learned not to target Web in this game, so no problem.It gives 2 AP, on the condition that you do not target me. That condition is hidden, though, so you'll merely have to believe me that targeting me is a... bad idea.A. Not sure what it does but A benefits more from bonus AP.@Fallacy Praise-Praise the great horned webadict!Which clone would you like your Hot Dog on? A or C?
I don't really need people to carry me when I get a guilty inspect now do I?*facepalm*
Let's see if Toonyman is willing to vote me.I'd rather not.
I'm guessing no
So, why do I think Toonyman is the Cult Leader instead of NJW200?You know my role really must be unbelievable because of how unpowered it is compared to DIVINE PROTECTION AND TRIPLE INSPECTS.
Simple: Toony's claimed that he can only make & give guns. Look at what you can do. That seems kinda suspicious.
NJW did give the name of an ability yesterday actually, but I agree that copying it would probably have not been helpful.Egan: why did you copy godfather rather than an inspect? Maybe you gave a logic for this, but I didn't see it.
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I need the name of an ability to copy it, and nobody named one I saw. I also can't copy onto myself, and giving someone else an inspect they can use the night after is both slower and less reliable than giving someone conversion immunity. How exactly is copying an inspect supposed to help??
You know my role really must be unbelievable because of how unpowered it is compared to DIVINE PROTECTION AND TRIPLE INSPECTS.The funny thing about this is that I got rewarded from a mechanic that only Maximum Spin knew, which is seemingly why he kept feeding me Pink Points. I'm fairly certain that Maximum Spin has to be Town because otherwise his Actions make no sense.
At least it's horrible for Cult as well as Town...Are you shitting me? Town got the freest ride of their life in this game.
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5 votes hammers.
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V/LA NOTICE: I'm going to be very limited posting until late Sunday-ish. I apologize for not mentioning this sooner.
Yeah, fair enough, no point prolonging this.
Just getting converted after putting effort in and finding scum D1 is very annoying. Punishment for success. I know this is a cults game, but kinda bitter after FBYOR5. So...
EuchreJack
Soooooooo…There's no way we can win. I'm just gloating!
Between me, Web, Jack, and Tric, why not we just vote you out today, NJW tomorrow, and Max if he comes back? Am I missing something?
You're voting me only because of an inspect result.What can you do? Them's the breaks. Claim Miller immediately until people stop inspecting you every game.
I've been town this whole game and you know it.
Bah
You're voting me only because of an inspect result.
I've been town this whole game and you know it.
Bah
You're easy to trick. You'll believe anything I say!You're voting me only because of an inspect result.
I've been town this whole game and you know it.
Bah
I did say D1 you reminded me of Scum Toony from BYOR 16…
So, do we have anything to do today? Just uhhhh vote out the scum huh?Day's over bucko. Just like the last three days there's nothing to think about.
That's a strange way to characterize it. I'm playing for the victory of my alignment, that's what's most important. Whatever the deal is with max is less urgent than eliminating scum, and saying stuff which prevents cult from recruiting me betters the odds of my current alignment winning.I see. You're being honest though. We aren't playing the same game.
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5 votes hammers.
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(Auto) Ricochet [choice]: You’ve made very sure you can’t be defeated by your own Guns. At any time not during action resolution you may choose a new living player to be the subject of this ability. When you would be targeted by a Gun ability, it’s redirected to the player you chose.
(Innate, Auto) Gunsmith’s Fervor: You’re perhaps too eager to share your work. When you use Metaforge Metagun, if targeting a player other than yourself, you gain 1 extra AP to spend on the action’s modifiers only. However, each time you select a modifier from Metaforge Metagun, future uses of that modifier will require 1 higher level of cost.
{APX, min.1} (Innate, Night) Metaforge Metagun [target/self]: You create a Gun ability and grant it to your target or yourself. You construct the Gun by dividing the AP spent on this action among your available modifiers, but you must select one Shape and one Color. A modifier may not be selected multiple times, and a given Shape or Color cannot be used more than once per Night.
—{AP0} (Shape) Pistol: The Gun created is 1-Shot, Single, is 0 AP to use, and reduces Lucky Numbers by 2.
—{AP0/0/1} (Shape) Shotgun: The Gun created is 1-Shot, Single, is 2 AP to use, and reduces Lucky Numbers by 4.
—{AP1/1/2} (Shape) Rifle: The Gun created is 2-Shot, Single, is 1 AP to use, and reduces Lucky Numbers by 3.
—{AP0/0/0/1} (Color) Red: The Gun alters the red Lucky Number.
—{AP0/0/1} (Color) Green: The Gun alters the green Lucky Number.
—{AP1/2} (Color) Purple: The Gun alters the purple Lucky Number.
—{AP1/2/3} (Color) Pink: The Gun alters the pink Lucky Number.
—{AP0/1} Backfiring: The Gun, when used, will hit the player that used it instead of their intended target or targets. This Modifier is not displayed in the Gun’s ability name or details to players other than you.
—{AP1} Silenced: The Gun ability will not count as having visited the user’s target, for the purpose of investigative results.
—{AP1} Drum-Loaded: The Gun ability will have 1 additional Shot.
—{AP1/2} Syringe: The Gun ability will increase values instead of decreasing them.
—{AP1/2} Double Barreled: The Gun ability will target an additional player.
—{AP1/2} Quickfire: The Gun will cost 0 AP to use.
—{AP1/2/3} Concealed: The Gun ability may be used in the Day in addition to the Night. However, the usage of a Gun during the Day is a public action - “[playername] shoots [playername] with a gun!” will be posted as a result of its usage.
{AP2} (1-Shot, Night) One In The Chamber [target]: You know your weapons greater than anyone else ever could, which lets you get some final use out of expended weaponry. Choose an expended Gun ability you possess, and use it on your target. You may choose an additional target if the Gun is Double Barreled.
{AP3} (1-Shot, Night) Magnum Opus [target/self]: You create a true masterwork. You use Metaforge Metagun with a 6 AP budget on your target, and ignore Gunsmith’s Fervor. Additionally, the gun’s Number-alteration strength will be increased by 1 for every AP credit left unspent.
{AP0} (Super, 1-Shot, Night) Metaducttape [self/target]: Name two abilities that are within your target’s role. They will be merged into one by the power of the divine duct tape, at the end of the Night. Set your pink Lucky Number to 0 as a second cost for this action. You may even merge Innates.
(Reference) {AP0} (1-Shot, Gun, Single, Night) Red Pistol [target]: You shoot your target with a red pistol, reducing their red Lucky Number by 2.
(Innate, Factional, Auto) Blessing of the Blood Moon: The blood moon shines down upon you all. Players of your faction also gain the effect of Blessing of the Blood Moon, even if you are dead. You are aware of the value of your Life by default, and do not need to wait for the daily update to learn its current state. You cannot gain Infection. Once per Night, you may pay 2 Life to increase your AP by 1.
(Auto) Blood Regeneration: Every time a player not of your alignment dies, your red Lucky Number increases by 2.
{1AP} (Innate, Single, 2-Shot, Night) Howl of Enlightenment [target]: You call loudly for your target to join you in the quest for bloody enlightenment. If your target is Town, you convert their alignment to Cult and, if successful, grant them your primary win condition and access to your private cult chat. This action only loses a shot if it fully succeeds.
{3 AP} (Night) Follow The Blood [target]: You bite your target, reducing their red Lucky Number by 2. You then track their blood, learning who they targeted, and track everyone they targeted, learning who those people targeted as well.
{4 AP} (1-Shot, Night) Blood Infection [target]: You infect your target with a genetically altered flu. They gain the status Infection.
{AP2} (1-Shot, Gun, Single, Night) Purple Double Barreled Shotgun [target1][target2]: You shoot your targets with a purple shotgun with two barrels, reducing their purple Lucky Numbers by 4.
{AP0} (2-Shot, Gun, Single, Night) Red Quickfire Rifle [target]: You shoot your target with a rapid-fire rifle, reducing their red Lucky Number by 3.
(Reference) (Status) Infection: A nasty flu. Your red Lucky Number is reduced by 1 before the start of each Day while you have this status. Each action you perform that visits another player has a 25% chance per AP spent on that action to give that player Infection. Infection can stack.
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6 votes hammers.
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You asked Egan what he gave you. Why? What purpose does that serve?Because, webadict, I have to decide whether to accept it or not, with no idea what I might be accepting. Naturally, I would like to be informed before I go accepting presents from strange men in trenchcoats.
Maube you don't remember, Max, but you claimed something to do with Pink numbers.I have a theory, but haven't been able to prove because nobody agreed to test it, that pink number causes the Boon thing. If Egan claims to have done something with pink number, then we can reasonably infer that this was right. At the time, I was pretty sure someone must have started with nonzero pink number, which seemed like a good lead, but now I think that was my own misunderstanding. It seems to go up on its own.
What was that, Max?
Oh, by the way. I'm not afraid to claim. It's just so stupidly obvious what I did that I can't quite believe you missed it.I have literally no clue.
I mean, pay attention: what don't you see?
If you want the inspect, it’s called Blood Divination, and it’s better if someone else uses it than I do, due to certain tricky features of my role. Take care who you copy it onto, though.
I can straight up steal that Godfather if you want to lose it for some reason, if it isn't innate.
What don't you see?Quote(Innate, Factional, Auto) Blessing of the Blood Moon: The blood moon shines down upon you all. Players of your faction also gain the effect of Blessing of the Blood Moon, even if you are dead. You are aware of the value of your Life by default, and do not need to wait for the daily update to learn its current state. You cannot gain Infection. Once per Night, you may pay 2 Life to increase your AP by 1.
(Auto) Blood Regeneration: Every time a player not of your alignment dies, your red Lucky Number increases by 2.
{1AP} (Innate, Single, 2-Shot, Night) Howl of Enlightenment [target]: You call loudly for your target to join you in the quest for bloody enlightenment. If your target is Town, you convert their alignment to Cult and, if successful, grant them your primary win condition and access to your private cult chat. This action only loses a shot if it fully succeeds.
{3 AP} (Night) Follow The Blood [target]: You bite your target, reducing their red Lucky Number by 2. You then track their blood, learning who they targeted, and track everyone they targeted, learning who those people targeted as well.
{4 AP} (1-Shot, Night) Blood Infection [target]: You infect your target with a genetically altered flu. They gain the status Infection.
{AP2} (1-Shot, Gun, Single, Night) Purple Double Barreled Shotgun [target1][target2]: You shoot your targets with a purple shotgun with two barrels, reducing their purple Lucky Numbers by 4.
{AP0} (2-Shot, Gun, Single, Night) Red Quickfire Rifle [target]: You shoot your target with a rapid-fire rifle, reducing their red Lucky Number by 3.Quote from: Reference(Reference) (Status) Infection: A nasty flu. Your red Lucky Number is reduced by 1 before the start of each Day while you have this status. Each action you perform that visits another player has a 25% chance per AP spent on that action to give that player Infection. Infection can stack.
... I quoted that line because it's where I claimed to be able to steal abilities. And, coincidentally, NJW's claimed inspect ability isn't in his roleflip. Because I stole it.NJW is a Cult Leader. He could have, oh, I don't know, used his fucking Convert instead?
What does that have to do with anything? I'm not talking about him using the ability. I stole it from his role, by name. Not knowing the name of his convert ability, I could not have stolen it even if it weren't Innate.... I quoted that line because it's where I claimed to be able to steal abilities. And, coincidentally, NJW's claimed inspect ability isn't in his roleflip. Because I stole it.NJW is a Cult Leader. He could have, oh, I don't know, used his fucking Convert instead?
For all I know, stealing the Ability converts you.Yes, that, at least, is a reasonable thing to fear. But it didn't. Or hell, maybe it would have if it weren't for the new auto Fallacy gave me, and just doesn't say so anywhere. That's not important.
My role is very focused on the actions of other people. I'm shadow based, meaning I can mostly just gain copies what other people do. Pretty much everything requires setup; EG I can't really get anyone's ability unless I mark their shadow first. I can also get a higher mark that lets me redirect people (and get a copy of those actions) if they target me or the person with the higher mark.
I'm also unconvertable, which I did claim earlier (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=181625.msg8475217#msg8475217), but I grant it wasn't super obvious.
N1 I marked Toony and NQT, and failed to mark you, Web, consistent with all other N1 claims.
N2 I upgraded my mark on Toony, and redirected NJW's theoretical actions on me [and by extension Toony] to TricMagic. I still was kinda thinking NJW was likely to target me and Tric's kind of a jammer to me, but I didn't redirect anything, meaning NJW didn't target me or Toony.
My pink number started at zero and went up a tiny amount N1. All the others started high single digits and haven't moved.
I've bought no hot dogs.
I specifically asked and my marks are not visible to the target, nor do they do anything innately to the target.
Being honest that Divine Hot Dog was greatly enjoyed as my cats last meal. And the other regular one was nice too. So many Action PointsWhat else did you do? And don't worry about Karma just yet. There's a problem that needs to be sorted when everyone's claimed.
More seriously, can confirm 1 person visited me last night. What in the world is Karma though?
Also I'm going to work and need to do some rereading except Max claimed Toony didn't convert him when Toony doesn't have a convert. Well, that's a claim certainly.Toony claimed to have converted me the previous Day. I don't even remember or care about his roleflip, I'm just refuting that.
I have no idea why you voted me when you ALSO AGREE THAT EUCHREJACK IS SUSPICIOUS WHEN I TOLD YOU YOU SHOULD VOTE EUCHREJACK! But you voted me for extremely bad reasons.I just wanted to test whether you were trying to bait me into voting you, like how Jim had a vote-based convert. I admit that it seems like you weren't.
4 AP for the revive, 2 AP for analysis. That's a total of 6.Right, right. That explains your actions (which appear to be correct), but what about your shininess. I am pretty sure I know what that means, but just wondering if you plan to claim it.
@Max: ? If you thought I was vote-based, why would you vote me? And you may have claimed pieces, but I think a whole roleclaim would be a better idea.Because I can choose not to be converted, now, so it was zero-risk and I wanted to see what you'd do.
Hey Euchre, would you mind doing a full claim of everything, including past Nights? Not sure I know exactly what it all is.I would love to, but I probably won't have the time until tomorrow.
Also, if you wouldn't mind claiming your Lucky Numbers except Red (unless you feel comfortable claiming that, but you die if that reaches 0 or less.)
Also, still giving away Hot Dogs for Prayers! I need me some good Prayer Power!
Did you ever answer me if you know who uses the hotdogs? I've been a little busy today.No. Well, sorta. I could find out, but it involves me shotgunning my Abilities, which seems really silly.
My lucky numbers are Redacted, 9, 5 and 4Darn. Your Pink number should be a lot higher and your Green number a lot lower. Confusing.
EuchreJack... Why is your red number redacted. Got something to tell us?I told him to redact it.
No. Well, sorta. I could find out, but it involves me shotgunning my Abilities, which seems really silly.I see. I actually bought one d1, with two pink number. That's the only transaction or number-related action I've done all game.
Egan, what's this thing you gave me do?Removes the need for you to kill me by changing the theming of my role to something else.
REDACTEDSo that's fun.
I’m alive? Let’s fucking gooooVideo tape this, so I can laugh.
I will bite the head off of a live duck if it isn’t Web
Webadict
The effects of a Divine Hot Dog seem to be:It doesn't lower Karma. The lowering Karma was because you targeted me. Which is what I said not to do.
+2 Health, +2 experience, -3 karma?, +2 AP.
It was also described as "destroying" the divine hot dog for some reason. Maybe just because using it removes it from my role?
O blessed wuba-chan, I have a confession to make. I ate the divine hot dog, but only used one of the two extra AP it grants. The only way for me to use 5 AP was to go for the copy rather than inspecting, and I didn't think of anything good to copypasta this time round.
Also, this night I tried to learn Max's autos and what I learned was:QuoteREDACTEDSo that's fun.
I didn't I targeted Max.The effects of a Divine Hot Dog seem to be:It doesn't lower Karma. The lowering Karma was because you targeted me. Which is what I said not to do.
+2 Health, +2 experience, -3 karma?, +2 AP.
It was also described as "destroying" the divine hot dog for some reason. Maybe just because using it removes it from my role?
O blessed wuba-chan, I have a confession to make. I ate the divine hot dog, but only used one of the two extra AP it grants. The only way for me to use 5 AP was to go for the copy rather than inspecting, and I didn't think of anything good to copypasta this time round.
Also, this night I tried to learn Max's autos and what I learned was:QuoteREDACTEDSo that's fun.
based. Webadict
Let's get this over with eh GATE OF DREAMS WHEN
Webadict Webadict.
Knightwing, what did you learn during your time in the lands of the dead?
Egan, I know you think you targeted Max, but you somehow targeted me.
Webadict Webadict.Please vote in either red or bold red.
Not really. I got a new ability on Night 2 because my Green number hit 10, so it rolled over.Did you ever answer me if you know who uses the hotdogs? I've been a little busy today.No. Well, sorta. I could find out, but it involves me shotgunning my Abilities, which seems really silly.My lucky numbers are Redacted, 9, 5 and 4Darn. Your Pink number should be a lot higher and your Green number a lot lower. Confusing.
I'll explain Karma (Pink) in a bit if someone is willing to claim having 5 or more. EuchreJack is supposed to have gained 3 last Night, so... EuchreJack targeted me...?
Honestly, I didn’t really go into deadchat that much. I kinda just tuned out of the game once I died, sorry. Reviving me wasn’t really all that useful.Nonsense!
How does web, the most suspicious little penguin to ever walk the earth, seem solid?Web always looks scummy. The question is whether he's being scummy to help or hurt town.
It's the Joke Fal. Pink is apparently Karmic, and webadict ants pink.Webadict Webadict.Please vote in either red or bold red.
Honestly, I didn’t really go into deadchat that much. I kinda just tuned out of the game once I died, sorry. Reviving me wasn’t really all that useful.You had three days with the scum of the cult joining you. Was kinda hoping you at least kept up with stuff.
Honestly, I didn’t really go into deadchat that much. I kinda just tuned out of the game once I died, sorry. Reviving me wasn’t really all that useful.
This means that I 100% was shot by NJW2000, so I know that Max's Action did not occur.As the guns are not high-AP, I would not have affected them. I only redirect the highest AP action. Because, as usual, fuck me in particular, so nothing actually helpful redirects.
Also, if everyone alive (or dead, Cultists, you're allowed to pray to me, too) could pray to me, I'd be very thankful.This is a better way to ask me.
Toaster, could you explain how the inspect works?
Someone used an Ability to redirect to me, because Egan and Euchre both have Karma loss equal to the punishment of targeting me which isn't caused by the effects of Karma normally. It's why I trust Egan, Euchre, and Tric did what they claim they did. Toaster has the potential to be telling the truth, but Max is still quite suspicious.This means that I 100% was shot by NJW2000, so I know that Max's Action did not occur.As the guns are not high-AP, I would not have affected them. I only redirect the highest AP action. Because, as usual, fuck me in particular, so nothing actually helpful redirects.
I haven't read the thread fully yet.
My suggestion is vote out Toaster instead. If we can't trust my inspect, then the whole thing falls apart and webadict did manage to get converted. Or self-converted and he's actually been some form of cult starter this whole time, but at that point we might as well just vote out webadict.
Toaster, the argument you should be making is that this was me starting up my endgame master plan. Revive knightwing as my cultist, then have them start acting at night to plant the bombs while we hunt down the likeliest targets to be the last cult. That could have still happened without my knowledge in fact. Why distrust the result and not the motive?
Alright, here's my suggested plan:
...So, assuming that Max is town doesn't accept my thing, how are all of you planning to resolve my and max's conflicting win conditions once all scum is dead?
we're all looking to be freed from Fallacy prison.speaking of Gate of Dreams when?
NJW could have potentially killed themselves because he thought he had the win or maybe because he didn't.Because it's a pain in the ass posting from home, and I have had limited computer time, but I will see what I can do.
I refuse to think there isn't some way to avoid Cult Inspections. No single Cult Member has had any type of Millerness, and that is not really good enough for me.
I also have no guarantee that I targeted TricMagic. My best guess is that I did, but I plan to Judge and Block either Toaster or Max, whichever one is leftover.
I also want EuchreJack, Tric, or me to have the Karma boost, because Purple is the only mechanic left that we don't fully understand.
Also, not sure why everyone isn't claiming Lucky numbers from past Night, but I suppose no one really cares at this point and we're all looking to be freed from Fallacy prison.
If I marked Tric I could use his resurrect, if he tells me how many AP it costs and it dies and I have a chance to mark him. I could probably break this game given enough time.It's 4 AP, but there isn't really anyone worth reviving unless you wanna revive me after I get voted, since, you know, only dead Cultists everywhere.
@Tric: What are your thoughts on a Max elim?Does it bring us closer to ending this game? If so, I support it!
Egan_BW: What are your thoughts on a Max elim?
Knightwing: What are your thoughts on a Max elim?
If the votes turn against Max, I could be persuaded in that direction.
If I marked Tric I could use his resurrect, if he tells me how many AP it costs and it dies and I have a chance to mark him. I could probably break this game given enough time.Cool, more time for the game to go on. (It costs 600 cats, of which you have none.) Toaster Toaster, make me Toast(er)
I hope Jack loses his double vote, because I don't see how it's him.Today's Double Vote is due to my being Golden, so that will probably wear off tomorrow.
(I don't think I'm hammered yet)
One thing that is bothering me is that nobody else is claiming to have shot NJW2000. I'm unsure if my shot would have been enough to kill NJW, and it's entirely possible, with what We has been saying, that my shot got redirected onto Web.Web thinks, for whatever reason, that NJW used his ability to sacrifice his own health to make multiple actions. I doubt he would have intentionally sacrificed enough to kill him, but if you shot him, and, as I repeatedly claimed, I forced him to self-target one action, which was most likely one of his actions that reduce health (since those had high AP costs), either or both of those could have killed him.
My win condition hasn't changed, but I gained the ability to shut off certain game mechanics as applied to me, including extra win conditions.By the way, I am prepared to rules-lawyer Fallacy that me ignoring extra win conditions should mean that I don't exist for the purpose of yours either, Egan.
I personally don't think Max could steal an Inspect from NJW. I also think that Toaster's Inspect failing is suspicious, but Max should not be able to steal NJW's Inspect.It's called "Blood Divination". Egan can copy it off me if he likes, or if anyone else can prove its existence, feel free.
However, I would accept the thing, Egan, if you explain what it does in detail.It replaces my current role with your current role. Simple, no?
Wait, seriously? That... could actually be really good. My role is down two abilities, I think, and most of the shots, but I'm guessing you can still make good use of it. Just don't ruin my fun, okay?However, I would accept the thing, Egan, if you explain what it does in detail.It replaces my current role with your current role. Simple, no?
Egan_BW (0):
EuchreJack (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
Toaster (4): TricMagic, TricMagic, EuchreJack, EuchreJack
TricMagic (0):
webadict (2): Knightwing64, Egan_BW
No Execution (0):
6 votes hammers.
Not Voting (4): Maximum Spin, Toaster, webadict, webadict
Unvote anyways, in case that's an actual thing where wuba can redirect votes which are on him.Pretty cool ability, someone should steal it for a future game.
I guess that hats being included in the list of game mechanics might be bastardly misdirection and/or a joke. Because hats have certainly been a trash game mechanic in the past. :pThat's what I'm hoping. It's pretty funny if it is.
Egan_BW (0):
EuchreJack (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
Toaster (6): TricMagic, TricMagic, EuchreJack, EuchreJack, webadict, webadict
TricMagic (0):
webadict (2): Knightwing64, Egan_BW
No Execution (0):
6 votes hammers.
Not Voting (2): Maximum Spin, Toaster
(Innate, Auto) Essence of the Soul’s Abyss: You are beyond mere allegiance. Your alignment and win condition cannot change. You also have 1 additional AP to spend each Night.
{AP2} (Night) Shadow Mirror [target][choice]: You gnaw on your target’s shadow, and mirror their soul. All actions used by your target on you, or a player you’ve used Snatch Shadow on, will have their primary targets redirected to your chosen player. You also gain (Single, 1-Shot) copies of each non-Innate action redirected. The copies cost only 1 AP each if they would cost more than that.
{AP3} (Innate, Single, Night) Shadow Puppet [choice1][choice2]: You tie your chosen puppet to their shadow, and send them to do your bidding. As long as you’ve successfully used Snatch Shadow on your first chosen player, they use Dark Wrath (without paying the AP cost, or being aware of it) to kill your second chosen player. The effects of Snatch Shadow are then dispelled from your first choice, as you’re forced to release the devoured shadow as payment for doing your bidding. If there is only one player other than you left alive, your first and second choices may be the same player.
{AP1} (1-Shot, Night) Shadow Regeneration [self]: You return to your essence. You restore your Lucky Numbers to their original values, remove all Status conditions from yourself, and reset your role to its original state, though without this ability.
(Innate, Auto) Weave Shadow: You chew the shadows of the world, and make of it a dark tapestry. All living or dead players, with the Shadow Mark condition at X-value 3 or greater, are now valid choices for the first choice of Shadow Puppet, and also count as previously having had Snatch Shadow used on them, for the purposes of Shadow Mirror. When a player successfully kills another player using Dark Wrath, they transfer their Shadow Mark status condition to the player they killed. Once per Night, you may use the action of a dead player with Shadow Mark as though it was part of your own role, even if it was expended, as long as the X-value of the Shadow Mark is greater than the AP cost of the action you choose. Whoever is targeted by that action gains Shadow Mark level equal to the amount of AP spent on that action, added onto any Shadow Mark that is already present, if any.
(Reference) {AP3} (Single, 1-Shot, Night) Dark Wrath [target]: You strangle your target to death, killing them.
(Reference) (Status) Shadow Mark: When you die, the player with the role “Shadow Weaver of the Abyss” may make you use one of your non-Innate actions which costs X or less the next Night, even if its shot or shots are expended. No AP cost is paid for this usage.
Town wins! Maximum Spin technically shouldn't win but if I let Egan retroactively submit a "ignore game mechanic" action, then I'm sure Spin can do the same, and will do the same, too. So yeah, Town wins.Didn't I already do that? I swore I sent that in yesterday. Well, assume that I'm sending it in retroactively. :P
Good? game, everyone!Nah, I hate being a JOAT and I definitely think giving town players extra win conditions is VERY BAD, but overall I'd say it was fine. I enjoyed it.
Also, no scumhunting was truly done this game.I reject this. At d1 end, where Knightwing was confirmed town, my top suspects were Jim, NJW, and Toaster! They all looked shady. Only second-guessing the setup caused me to fail to recognize that they were actually all just individually scum.
I never actually killed anyone.You'll never catch a SK that doesn't kill anybody.
Tric, the DragonI never actually killed anyone.You'll never catch a SK that doesn't kill anybody.
Tric, the Cat in the hat. I was right about Toaster being solo day 1.Tric, the DragonI never actually killed anyone.You'll never catch a SK that doesn't kill anybody.
The role would still be terrible with those changes because you can't day game properly if you need to jester enough to get people to vote you (and hopefully unvote you) but not enough to lynch you.
Cool, now Fallacy can go back to playing Amazing Cultivation Simulator, which I can tell is his favorite game from the various roles.Nah, I just read webnovels
I don't know how anybody who is given my role is supposed to win.I think a lot of changes could be made to the setup to make it more playable. I wouldn't run it because Cults are horrible, but it'd probably be a bit more playable with some fairly minor tweaks.
NJW2000's cult role doesn't seem very impressive either but it looks a lot more usable than mine.
I feel like if I knew when I signed up that if I rolled cult I would be mercilessly teabagged without recourse I probably would have reconsidered.