Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 07:47:31 pm
I'm left wondering why the game is so unresponsive, but then I notice something...
(http://cbpye.net/df_loadsadamantine_1.png)
And it goes up...
(http://cbpye.net/df_loadsadamantine_2.png)
..quite a ways. Do note: This is not the highest point of the map. I simply got tired of going up.
You'll find it here:
(http://cbpye.net/df_loadsadamantine_3.png)
I'm going to cause this column to collapse, and post the results.
UPDATE:
By popular demand, here's the seed. I run 64-bit Slackware Linux on an AMD Phenom II, so I don't know if this will work properly for everyone (it didn't for the last time I tried posting a seed here, but that was from the 40d days).
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
UPDATE AGAIN:
You can download my save-game here: Adamantine Spire (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2692)
Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 07:56:28 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 14, 2010, 07:58:47 pm
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Do want. Parameters please. Oh my fucking god yes.
EDIT: HOLY FUCKING SKELETAL ZOMBIE ELEPHANTS YOU'RE FUCKING KIDDING ELEVEN HUNDRED Z-LEVELS ARMOK HAVE MERCY ON OUR SOULS THIS IS THE BEST FUCKING THING EVER
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I didn't see the z-level count until just now.
Post by: nbonaparte on July 14, 2010, 08:07:27 pm
Post by: Itnetlolor on July 14, 2010, 08:08:35 pm
This is a holy land. Engrave the hell outta that thing with a legendary +5 engraver and relish in it's glory. Trajan's column can kiss my ass.
EDIT:
Better idea. Build a kingdom inside, and of it.
Post by: Diablous on July 14, 2010, 08:09:16 pm
Post by: Funtimes on July 14, 2010, 08:09:41 pm
(http://wdpk837.whoisbenhustis.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/neo_whoa_1.png)
:o
Post by: nbonaparte on July 14, 2010, 08:10:02 pm
Post by: Tuxman on July 14, 2010, 08:18:43 pm
Seed, or save. Or whatev. Just don't destroy it.
Is that admantine?
Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 08:20:45 pm
This thing goes up for at least 1401 z-levels. Is there any way to head to the highest z-level possible? Any shortcut of the sort?
And yes, that is sweet, precious, holy adamantine.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 14, 2010, 08:23:28 pm
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...Where in the world is it?
Post by: Funtimes on July 14, 2010, 08:29:52 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 14, 2010, 08:32:03 pm
EDIT: If this works on Windows, you are my god.
EDIT2: There is no "w" in edit.
Post by: dragnar on July 14, 2010, 08:39:31 pm
Post by: slink on July 14, 2010, 08:44:19 pm
Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 08:44:51 pm
I've even set a tile to be channeled directly in front of the wagon, and no-one is moving to do it. :-/
I'll see if I can find where in the world it is. I remember that I searched for a 3x3 area, no aquifer, high evil, medium savagery, flux stone, and medium temperature. I didn't take the area that it gave me... I moved around and found one with sand that was nearby. Embarked there, and this is what I got.
Edit: they've yet to pick up their tools. :-/ just standing around. They dismantled the workshops like I asked, though. weird.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 14, 2010, 08:50:24 pm
Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 08:55:43 pm
Update: the save file for this region is 44 MB. :-/
Post by: Itnetlolor on July 14, 2010, 09:04:00 pm
Any more hints as to the info?
One way to find out easy is backup the save, abandon, and reclaim. You should easily locate the area.
EDIT:
Worldgen completed.
EDIT EDIT:
Found and embarked and...
...Nothing. ???
Okay, odd. I think you got an amazing feature out of nowhere, and Armok has blessed your game. I have nothing going on. No adamantine spire. And nice and speedy too.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 14, 2010, 09:05:25 pm
Do you think you could hurl an initial save onto the DFFD?
Also, do you have DFHack? If so, how much adamantine does DF Prospector say is on the map? It has to be 50k+. Maybe it even hits six digits, though I doubt it.
Post by: Patchy on July 14, 2010, 09:12:58 pm
Post by: Shrugging Khan on July 14, 2010, 09:14:37 pm
Post by: Tokkius on July 14, 2010, 09:15:33 pm
Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 09:15:43 pm
Post by: Earthquake Damage on July 14, 2010, 09:18:44 pm
Alternately, try to plunge the Finger of Armok into the very heart of Hell.
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on July 14, 2010, 09:19:57 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 14, 2010, 09:22:07 pm
It seems to have swapped the evilness of these two plains. This is a Go(o)d plains area on mine. Hmmm... (theorizes on worldgen differences between Windows 31.08 and Linux 31.10).
EDIT:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It didn't give me the adamantine. Again, do you think you could put an initial save up on the DFFD?
Post by: Tokkius on July 14, 2010, 09:28:37 pm
Edit: It appears to be giving me slightly different climate conditions from yours. For example, the area I'm in contains no green grass, and there's much less water.
Post by: nbonaparte on July 14, 2010, 09:29:51 pm
Same exact location, same terrain, with the exception of the tower. I couldn't duplicate that, even though I tried about four times.I got the same thing.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 14, 2010, 09:31:51 pm
Post by: slink on July 14, 2010, 09:36:21 pm
Edit: Also, that little pond by his wagon isn't on my map.
Post by: Passive Fist on July 14, 2010, 09:42:59 pm
Post by: Raviaric on July 14, 2010, 09:49:20 pm
Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 09:50:10 pm
Update: done.
Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 10:09:46 pm
Post by: nbonaparte on July 14, 2010, 10:11:10 pm
EDIT: your save works. I saw it while the game was paused, but it crashed when I unpaused. That is a hell of a thing.
Post by: MaximumZero on July 14, 2010, 10:27:47 pm
I'm going to have to see if I can replicate your results (just because I seem to be a Weirdness Magnet.)
Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 10:38:05 pm
I've used the "export image" feature, and found that the spire reaches 2343 z-levels above the ground. That's a lot of raw adamantine! The weird thing is that, while there should only be 15 more empty z-levels above that point, there are at least 2,500 more empty z-levels.
Still, no-one is digging anywhere. :-/ They haven't even picked up a pick or axe yet.
Post by: languard on July 14, 2010, 10:50:32 pm
Like others, no cave in on embark.
BTW, is this a reclaim? I noticed that on your embark screen, there's already a fort present.
Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 10:56:06 pm
Post by: Daywalkah on July 14, 2010, 10:57:48 pm
Post by: cbpye on July 14, 2010, 10:59:45 pm
The thought that this glorious treasure of adamantine may go undefiled by dwarven hands... it makes me so sad.
Post by: MaximumZero on July 14, 2010, 11:06:37 pm
Post by: happydog23 on July 14, 2010, 11:36:21 pm
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Note the:
Code: [Select]
RAW_ADAMANTINE : 83550I tried to gen it, and got the exact same map... except for the spire. The save worked at least on .10. Probably not going to use the map though... I need more than 3 FPS.
EDIT: Just did some more poking around.... The map goes down to -30z level, and if I try the "ESC > Export Local Image", I can scroll down to -30, and then hit z level 29864 as the "max" z level on the map. I don't know if I can actually zoom up that high, but it seems like it. I tested by zooming up to 2450 or something (The Adamantine stops at 2212).
As far as not being able to dig it, I didn't test but I remember someone saying that they thought there was a population cap or something on breaching the depths and that to get in below certain requirements, you had to cave in to it.
Post by: sir labreck on July 15, 2010, 12:18:52 am
Will try to use the seed under linux, hopefully my pc would be able to at least start it.
But it seem like a really weird bug.
PS: Great, generate the world make my game crash, an error log;
"Impoverished World Selector"
I'll will try the save at least to see if I can run with good fps.
Post by: elfhater on July 15, 2010, 12:20:31 am
SLADE : 1008197
I don't know what to make of that. Does it mean the map has over a million tiles of slade?
Post by: nbonaparte on July 15, 2010, 12:27:02 am
Post by: Patchy on July 15, 2010, 12:30:57 am
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Post by: nbonaparte on July 15, 2010, 12:34:42 am
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Post by: Dearnen on July 15, 2010, 12:37:05 am
Any idea how tall that thing would be in real scale? If 1z is about 10 feet, we're looking at 22,120 feet!
Post by: cbpye on July 15, 2010, 12:46:02 am
Post by: cbpye on July 15, 2010, 12:47:43 am
Post by: GL12 on July 15, 2010, 12:48:21 am
Post by: sir labreck on July 15, 2010, 12:49:57 am
For the slade, quite surprising, but not that much, it seem to me that some world param. are weird at least, made to generate a lot of fun :)
Post by: elfhater on July 15, 2010, 12:57:02 am
Yep. The entire bottom levels are made of it.
Yes, I know that, but... a million slade tiles? That would be 48 layers of solid slade, with some left over.
I generated this world successfully, and found the spot successfully, but no spire.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Maybe the year you stop world gen matters? I stopped around 60ish. On further inspection, that lake just north of where cbpye starts is already eroded away in my embarks.
Post by: Nil Eyeglazed on July 15, 2010, 02:01:26 am
Abandoned fortress for reclaim-- and crashed on attempt to create new game in region 13.
Tried to make an adventurer, and it crashed.
Legends works though.
Post by: happydog23 on July 15, 2010, 02:02:56 am
SLADE : 1008197
I don't know what to make of that. Does it mean the map has over a million tiles of slade?
I used reveal and scrolled through the bottom of the maps... There were something like 30 levels that were almost identical... slade and "open space" at the bottom. mostly slade.
Post by: nbonaparte on July 15, 2010, 02:13:14 am
Post by: Supermikhail on July 15, 2010, 02:19:34 am
Post by: Nil Eyeglazed on July 15, 2010, 02:27:29 am
Post by: elfhater on July 15, 2010, 02:34:08 am
Designated a small corner of it to mine, hit space bar, and the game almost crashed. Paused again to write this, resumed again, and it crashed.
Post by: Vattic on July 15, 2010, 02:53:44 am
Post by: Jetsquirrel on July 15, 2010, 02:53:49 am
Post by: Dorten on July 15, 2010, 03:05:12 am
Post by: smigenboger on July 15, 2010, 03:15:12 am
Post by: Retro on July 15, 2010, 03:16:20 am
Post by: elfhater on July 15, 2010, 03:17:10 am
Crazy. Is there anything interesting in your errorlog.txt or gamelog.txt?
In gamelog, no. No errorlog was generated. Windows gives the usual unhelpful stuff.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Nil Eyeglazed on July 15, 2010, 03:18:35 am
The reason the spire's surrounded by dark, subterranean space is because it loops all over the place. That huge chunk of space is its shadow.
Running reveal and looking around is pretty fun. It'd be interesting to try and make a fort on this map, if it were possible.
Post by: Dorten on July 15, 2010, 03:31:48 am
1.3 GB of RAM usage... :o
Post by: Jetsquirrel on July 15, 2010, 03:37:19 am
Yeah... Crashes...wow, so wait this spire goes so high that it actully makes a loop around the map and comes out from the bottom of the map?!?!
1.3 GB of RAM usage... :o
Post by: elfhater on July 15, 2010, 03:54:28 am
Post by: Jetsquirrel on July 15, 2010, 03:56:35 am
Post by: elfhater on July 15, 2010, 04:03:35 am
Post by: Nil Eyeglazed on July 15, 2010, 04:20:18 am
The top of the tower ends at 2073 for me.
But the weird thing is that the map seems to rise infinitely high. I'm at about 2300 right now, more than 200 z-levels above the highest map feature, and I shouldn't be going any higher, but I am.
I think that might be why its crashing.
Anybody know any tricks to lop off part of a map?
Post by: happydog23 on July 15, 2010, 04:22:28 am
How did you arrive at 2212?
I got 2212 by going to export local map and scrolling till the picture on the right didn't show anything anymore
Post by: elfhater on July 15, 2010, 04:38:47 am
Post by: Nil Eyeglazed on July 15, 2010, 04:50:23 am
0 is a picture of hell. -30 is an identical image. Deep pits.
The highest export local image goes is 29864. That's kind of a problem. Would make an impressive waterfall though, if you could find the water for it.
Post by: Xenoc on July 15, 2010, 04:55:36 am
program was using 1.4 gigs of ram paused.
Being paused or not will make diddly squat difference to the amount of ram used. All pausing does is stop the CPUrunning cycles - the program itself still has to be stored in memory.
Post by: Eduren on July 15, 2010, 04:56:13 am
Post by: elfhater on July 15, 2010, 05:00:09 am
program was using 1.4 gigs of ram paused.
Being paused or not will make diddly squat difference to the amount of ram used. All pausing does is stop the CPUrunning cycles - the program itself still has to be stored in memory.
That doesn't explain why the memory usage goes up as elevation increases, except that it's allocating more memory the higher you go. Which it shouldn't be doing?
Edit: nah, you're right. It's this map itself. The memory usage is 5 times higher than what it ever is with other maps I use, despite being 3x3 and my typical maps being 5x5.
Post by: Dariush on July 15, 2010, 05:00:47 am
BUT DAMMIT THIS THING IS ALMOST TWICE AS EPIC AS BOATMURDERED!!!
Post by: Jetsquirrel on July 15, 2010, 06:00:05 am
Post by: Dorten on July 15, 2010, 06:19:25 am
Its maximum one quarter as awesome as Boatmurdered.
That still would be infinity, though.
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 15, 2010, 06:44:23 am
Maybe the game's trying to tell you that this time the HFS is heaven.
Post by: I am Leo on July 15, 2010, 06:59:31 am
Post by: atomicthumbs on July 15, 2010, 07:03:25 am
Post by: Lord Herman on July 15, 2010, 07:07:13 am
Post by: atomicthumbs on July 15, 2010, 07:13:40 am
Post by: Jetsquirrel on July 15, 2010, 07:30:00 am
Build a staircase all the way up the middle of the monolith and STRIKE THE SKY.
according to the things the spike makes a looping coming out underground.... so you would basicly if possible strike the earth from under the sky
maybe this spike goes infinite into the sky passing clouds going into the stars!
Post by: slink on July 15, 2010, 07:43:49 am
Post by: Funtimes on July 15, 2010, 07:50:21 am
Post by: Ponczo on July 15, 2010, 07:57:05 am
Clowns used it to attack another planet? :o
Maybe they have a space station made out of adamantine. Actually it's a pretty good idea.
Post by: cbpye on July 15, 2010, 08:03:50 am
No-one's had any luck mining on that map?
Post by: Thoth on July 15, 2010, 08:05:03 am
Post by: cbpye on July 15, 2010, 08:32:00 am
Post by: leftycook on July 15, 2010, 08:43:20 am
Post by: slink on July 15, 2010, 08:52:05 am
Ground Level
Adamantine Spire: 0, or 139 absolute
Mine: 0, or 139 absolute
Bottom Level
Adamantine Spire: -169, or -30 absolute
Mine: -63, or 76 absolute
Top
Adamantine Spire (of spire): 2074, or 2213 absolute
Mine (of map): 17, or 156 absolute
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 15, 2010, 09:03:46 am
Build a staircase all the way up the middle of the monolith and STRIKE THE SKY.Mine out the sky and sell mugs made of air to the elves!
Post by: Funtimes on July 15, 2010, 09:06:54 am
Post by: Dearnen on July 15, 2010, 09:39:17 am
Post by: nbonaparte on July 15, 2010, 10:18:14 am
This is a world. It menaces with a spike of adamantine.:D
Post by: moki on July 15, 2010, 10:27:47 am
Armok's personal adamantium space elevator is currently out of service. Please use the stairs to your left.
Armok made the dwarves to dig a staircase out of this monstrosity... :o
Post by: nbonaparte on July 15, 2010, 10:29:42 am
Post by: Emperor Bob on July 15, 2010, 11:10:03 am
Post by: infaerina on July 15, 2010, 12:44:42 pm
Post by: nbonaparte on July 15, 2010, 12:57:32 pm
I am going to give this one a try. If it does not work on my PC, I will go to my girlfriend's. If it does not work on her PC, I will continue to travel.I think you'd be paying intel a big load of cash to make a single gigantic processor.
Post by: infaerina on July 15, 2010, 01:06:04 pm
Post by: Lord Urist on July 15, 2010, 01:35:47 pm
Or is that the wholre wrap-around theory anyway?
Post by: Solace on July 15, 2010, 01:39:37 pm
Also, I thought multicore computers could just devote all their cores to the same thing if it wasn't multithreaded?
Post by: MaDeR Levap on July 15, 2010, 01:45:13 pm
Also, I thought multicore computers could just devote all their cores to the same thing if it wasn't multithreaded?No, unfortunately it is not that simple. Program must be coded with multithreading support from beginning. And making single-threaded program (especially so complicated as DF) to multi-threaded is big pain in ass.
Post by: infaerina on July 15, 2010, 02:24:12 pm
Post by: Ponczo on July 15, 2010, 02:48:17 pm
Post by: Nil Eyeglazed on July 15, 2010, 03:07:12 pm
It crashed on windows, but is running on my linux install. It's capping off around 25 FPS, currently.
"Although today Linux is accepted as a worldwide standard, the operating system was unpopular in its early years. A combination of increasing support for Linux from developers and manufacturers, along with refinements in interface that made it more accessible to the less computer literate, slowly drove its increased use on home PCs. Still, no one knows exactly why the operating system became vastly more popular in July of 2010."
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 15, 2010, 03:12:19 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 15, 2010, 03:51:14 pm
Somebody needs to export this to a visualizer.
Post by: infaerina on July 15, 2010, 03:52:49 pm
Post by: Jesse on July 15, 2010, 03:54:58 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 15, 2010, 03:55:58 pm
Arg. I can get them to do everything EXCEPT pick up equipment, therefore mine/chop wood/et-cetera.The problem is, the items are on the ground. Your dwarves can't look away from the pillar long enough to see them.
Post by: MaximumZero on July 15, 2010, 04:11:39 pm
Everything works for me. I'm able to do everything except mine it. Designating it causes DF to crash after a few seconds of being un-paused.
I'm betting that DF is going "Dum de dum, playing, aweso...What the hell!? That's not supposed to be there!" *crash*
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 15, 2010, 04:24:44 pm
Arg. I can get them to do everything EXCEPT pick up equipment, therefore mine/chop wood/et-cetera.
Assign them to a military squad assigned picks. If that doesn't work either
The problem is, the items are on the ground. Your dwarves can't look away from the pillar long enough to see them.Or your dwarves are just refusing to desecrate holy ground.
Post by: techno65535 on July 15, 2010, 05:14:01 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 15, 2010, 05:19:11 pm
Post by: TheyTarget on July 15, 2010, 05:22:30 pm
I wonder what Toady will have to say about this one. If he says anything about it.
THIS IS NOT A BUG, THIS IS A MIRACLES.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 15, 2010, 05:27:33 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on July 15, 2010, 05:31:29 pm
Everything works for me. I'm able to do everything except mine it. Designating it causes DF to crash after a few seconds of being un-paused.Mine it? Desecrate the holy pillar of Toady? Blasphemy. Obviously it is your duty to build your fortress around this miracle. Do not touch the pillar, but rather build a magnificent temple centered around it, possibly including a 1000 Z-level high sacrificial drop tower.
Post by: Solace on July 15, 2010, 05:32:00 pm
Post by: FreakyCheeseMan on July 15, 2010, 05:33:54 pm
... that or, if it's hollow all the up, breach it at the highest level, and make all the demons die of exhaustion before they make it up. Mind, at 5000 high, your dwarves will need to establish successive base camps to supply one another, cause no one could make the trek alone...
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 15, 2010, 05:36:54 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 15, 2010, 05:37:25 pm
2. dig down to hell, straight down the middle of the pillar.
3. prevent the demons from reaching you by occasionally dropping a cat on their heads.
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 15, 2010, 05:37:59 pm
I now have a new signature.Everything works for me. I'm able to do everything except mine it. Designating it causes DF to crash after a few seconds of being un-paused.
I'm betting that DF is going "Dum de dum, playing, aweso...What the hell!? That's not supposed to be there!" *crash*
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 15, 2010, 05:39:05 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on July 15, 2010, 05:45:38 pm
Post by: Aspgren on July 15, 2010, 05:51:33 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 15, 2010, 05:53:05 pm
Post by: Kamudo on July 15, 2010, 06:16:29 pm
This is just too awesome to describe.
Post by: MaximumZero on July 15, 2010, 06:22:45 pm
I now have a new signature.Everything works for me. I'm able to do everything except mine it. Designating it causes DF to crash after a few seconds of being un-paused.
I'm betting that DF is going "Dum de dum, playing, aweso...What the hell!? That's not supposed to be there!" *crash*
Woo! I've been sigged! Thank you AND you're welcome. ^_^
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 15, 2010, 06:31:45 pm
Or build a throne on top of it, and find a way to assign it to Armok.Everything works for me. I'm able to do everything except mine it. Designating it causes DF to crash after a few seconds of being un-paused.Mine it? Desecrate the holy pillar of Toady? Blasphemy. Obviously it is your duty to build your fortress around this miracle. Do not touch the pillar, but rather build a magnificent temple centered around it, possibly including a 1000 Z-level high sacrificial drop tower.
Post by: caknuck on July 15, 2010, 06:32:57 pm
Instead of trying to mine it, designate it to be carved into a writhing mass of up/down staircases. Maybe mining it triggers a recursive loop of cave-in tests.
Post by: Kamudo on July 15, 2010, 06:45:48 pm
Post by: gtmattz on July 15, 2010, 06:52:15 pm
Suppose a person were able to dig out the ground-level z-level of that spire... how much adamantine would be left on the ground?
Only as much ore as your miners produced when digging it out, as natural walls do not deconstruct when collapsing, all you would cause is the rest of the tower to drop 1 level, but it would remain intact.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 15, 2010, 06:56:00 pm
And squish your miners.Suppose a person were able to dig out the ground-level z-level of that spire... how much adamantine would be left on the ground?
Only as much ore as your miners produced when digging it out, as natural walls do not deconstruct when collapsing, all you would cause is the rest of the tower to drop 1 level, but it would remain intact.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 15, 2010, 07:03:39 pm
And the stone you dug out would be destroyed. Falling natural walls atomsmashing everything and all that. You'd need a support to get all of it out.
Has anyone tried [SPEED:0] yet?
Post by: Untelligent on July 15, 2010, 07:30:25 pm
This deserves a page on the wiki, in my opinion. >.>
This is just too awesome to describe.
Seconded. What should we name the page?
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 15, 2010, 07:31:10 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 15, 2010, 07:38:51 pm
This deserves a page on the wiki, in my opinion. >.>
This is just too awesome to describe.
Seconded. What should we name the page?
Dwarven Holy Ground.
Post by: Nicxvan on July 15, 2010, 07:49:05 pm
<wall of text>
Once, before the world was young, there were a race of horribly misshapen creatures that scoured the abyss and battled for supremacy. These Titans lived in chaos, locked in a cycle of endless bloodshed and death. After eons of carnage a particular breed emerged, and though no less randomly generated, these abominations gained some degree of supremacy over their lessers. Calling themselves the demons, they organized, and quickly went about subjugating their more hermetic counterparts.
There was some semblance of order in the insanity fostered by demon society. The most powerful demons realized that they could not keep the Titans bound forever, and the bloodshed could not be beaten from their spirits (because the dungeon keeper was bugged, AGAIN), so they hid away and hatched a nefarious plan in secret.
For long, they had known of existence beyond their abyss; creatures of magma, and water, and earth. The cleverest of the Demons, a powerful Lord by the name of Blixal Malicedlances, dreamt of subjugating these creatures just as he had done to the Titans. Together the demons came up with a plan to turn the Titans loose onto the Gods, as they were now being called, to sate the blood thirst of those beasts while expanding their Kingdom into realms unknown.
The Gods, unaware of the creatures from the abyss, were overtaken at once. Hordes upon hordes of creatures flew, slithered, and crawled from the far corners of existence. Though the Gods were strong, courageous, and well equipped, they had forgotten to set an Arsenal God. Without a bureaucrat for them to submit forms to in order to get weaponry to defend themselves, many were slain in the initial wave. Creatures of glimmering gems, powdery chalk, and stunning malachite fell, their bodies crumbling under the assault.
Overcome with disbelief at how easy these creatures fell to the Titans, the Demons greedily began hatching plans for thrones made of diamond and platinum. They withdrew and prepared for retaliation. When it did not come, they returned to where the Gods had fallen, only to find that far fewer remained. They found that the Gods had been struck by the same chaos that plagued the Titans, though many went about it differently. The God of water sat around, unflinching, staring off into space. The God of Magma attacked the God of Wood, leaving lumps of flammable black flesh behind. The God of Silk ripped his skin from his pig-tail bones and babbled like a madman, until only a few threads remained.
Making haste, the demons attacked the remaining Gods, slaying them one by one. Standing on the heap of their bodies, they celebrated, taking joy in the slaughter. It was then that a single God returned wielding a slade Warhammer, gazing out over the destruction before him. Blixal, blinded by his rush of victory, 'generously' offered the God a chance to beg for a quick death.
"You fools! Do you know who I am?" The God cried, shaking a mighty fist. "I am the chaos that burns in your heart that makes you yearn for destruction. I am the rage that comes after seeing your loved one die. I am the insanity that follows a masterpiece incomplete. I am the noble who makes demands for goods you cannot possibly produce. I am death! I am destruction! I am ARMOK, GOD OF BLOOD!"
All of the demons were cowed, and trembled in fear. All but Blixal. Not to be bested by a lone God, he sent the hordes of Titans forward. One after one, they fell. Not a one was slain (because warhammers suck), but each was knocked unconscious, every bone in it's limbs broken and mangled. Occasionally tails too but never important ones like skulls. As wave after wave fell before him, Blixal would force more Titans into the front line, eventually forcing the demons into battle. Finally, only Blixal remained, and he too was struck down.
Armok has taken control of a workshop! Armok has began work on a mysterious construction. For ages, Armok worked, dragging his compatriots slain bodies one by one into the workshop, dismembering the ones who were intact and reforging them into something new. Finally, Armok stepped back and admired his creation.
This is a slade cage. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. It is encrusted with diamond, ruby, sapphire amber opal, aventurine, onyx, onyx opal, moss opal, brown jasper, rose quarts, sard, white chalcedony, tube agate, tigereye, shell opal, quartz, topaz, emerald, red beryl, red zircon, peridot, and green jade (to name a few), it is encircled with bands of water, magma, kimberlite, malachite, native gold, garnierite, hematite, and galena (to name a few more), it is studded with water, limestone, chalk, peat, magnetite, gabbro, obsidian, sandy loam, magma, sandstone, granite, bauxite, diorite, and marble (to name a even more), and menaces with spikes of granite, obsidian, slate, andesite, and basalt. On the item is the image of a continent.
Armok then took the demons and forgotten beasts once called Titans, designated the cage as a dumping area, and then shoved all of them inside. The Titans clawed their way to the top, but could not escape before he shut the door and forbade the cage to keep anyone from opening it. Though doomed to their prison, Blixal was not done yet, and yearned for freedom. A single hole in the cage was enough for the demon to escape.
Just as he was clawing his way to the surface, Armok plucked an eyelash from his face, and pressed it deep into the newborn world. The hole was sealed, and Blixal was forced back into the depths. Though to Armok it was just an eyelash, it rose 2212 Z-levels from the ground as an adamantine pillar of the Blood God's power and might that would come to fill all races with awe for eons to come. At least until some idiot mines it out at the bottom and causes a 2212-z level cave in.
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Post by: breadbocks on July 15, 2010, 07:53:46 pm
So hold on, whuh... I don't quite get this whole wrap-around thing. Perhaps the strangely large number of z-levels, the cave-in message on embark and the huge spire of adamantine give us a clue as to what's happened here... *ponders* perhaps the adamantine was so low beneath the ground that it wrapped round, went to the top of the sky, and then fell down, for our dwarves to mine!!! (or not mine, as the case seems to be... :()My theory is an expansion of this.
Or is that the wholre wrap-around theory anyway?
I. Adamantine tubes are actually much taller than observed, say 2000Z, due to Slade only being the vertical equivalent of a Large Cluster.
II. During WorldGen, an occurrence came from a very specific set of advanced settings, and an almost infinitely improbable generation of one location on a tube caused a cave in event, similar to how a poster described a cave-in triggered by a pool on the same spot as a volcano. This in turn, leads to the adamantine tube as a whole "construction" by itself trying to descend. Since there were no unblocked squares in the path to Z-∞, it began at the top, Z+∞. It detects open squares below, and goes to them. This eventually leads to a spire of adamantine at Z=0.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 15, 2010, 08:01:03 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 15, 2010, 08:06:28 pm
Post by: Funtimes on July 15, 2010, 08:13:58 pm
Or maybe it's just annoyed that it didn't get to flash the warning at you and trigger the monarch. Where's that warning hidden and can you toggle it off? Does digging a square that reveals more clownite solve it? Or is it just a total lack of CPU substance?
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 15, 2010, 08:22:43 pm
Post by: erekwednar on July 15, 2010, 08:28:48 pm
Post by: Funtimes on July 15, 2010, 08:29:10 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 15, 2010, 08:30:55 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 15, 2010, 08:31:18 pm
Post by: infaerina on July 15, 2010, 08:57:30 pm
Once again, I must ask if anyone has tried drafting your miners into a squad and told them to carry picks?
Sorry I was getting food. This did not work. I am going to try and see if I can feed my dorfs somehow for the next season or two and see if migrants come that are capable of work.
Post by: Dearnen on July 15, 2010, 09:01:59 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 15, 2010, 09:08:09 pm
It has an adamantine cage containing this:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2164/3529117801_e5b503e27f.jpg)
Note the person standing next to it.
Post by: cbpye on July 15, 2010, 09:21:28 pm
I generated this world successfully, and found the spot successfully, but no spire.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Toast024 on July 15, 2010, 09:27:00 pm
I did as someone suggested, and re-genned the world using the info that I posted. I got the same thing as Elfhater. Making reddit=awesome. Any word from Toady on this? How would we bring it to his attention?We kidnap Toady and rub his face against the pillar.I generated this world successfully, and found the spot successfully, but no spire.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This reminds me of the time that I got an entire z level of adementium,
Post by: dragnar on July 15, 2010, 09:30:06 pm
Post by: Vattic on July 15, 2010, 09:33:05 pm
Post by: Alkyon on July 15, 2010, 09:37:19 pm
I posted this image elsewhere on the forum but...
It has an adamantine cage containing this:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2164/3529117801_e5b503e27f.jpg)
Note the person standing next to it.
Is...is that concept art of the Boost Ball Guardian on Steroids? :o
Oh god, don't open it! You'll release Dark Torvus Bog, the worst zone in all of the Metroid Prime series, onto your dwarf's world!
Post by: Porpoisepower on July 15, 2010, 09:41:17 pm
It's sorta like the DF version of the Washington Memorial...
Also If someone could build some scaffolding, up to the top and make a giant cobalt mushroom cap arround the top we can pretend it's a giant Dimple Cup.
Post by: infaerina on July 15, 2010, 09:44:27 pm
Post by: Creamcorn on July 15, 2010, 09:46:15 pm
I wish to second the request for a 3DDwarf view of this epicness.
It's sorta like the DF version of the Washington Memorial...
Also If someone could build some scaffolding, up to the top and make a giant cobalt mushroom cap arround the top we can pretend it's a giant Dimple Cup.
It's 2000+ Zlevels, that thing is in freaking space! For the record, anything above 20Zlevels is considered tall when choosing an embark site.
This is one of the many reasons to steal a super computer.
Post by: Normandy on July 15, 2010, 09:54:00 pm
Post by: Christes on July 15, 2010, 10:08:10 pm
Now we will attempt to collapse the column by mining...
Post by: caknuck on July 15, 2010, 10:11:42 pm
Seconded. What should we name the page?
The Spine of the World
Post by: MaximumZero on July 15, 2010, 10:13:49 pm
Seconded. What should we name the page?
The Spine of the World
The Tower of Armok.
Post by: Toast024 on July 15, 2010, 10:24:19 pm
Seconded. What should we name the page?
The Spine of the World
The Tower of Armok.
The Lead of Armok's pencil.
Post by: Dearnen on July 15, 2010, 10:36:10 pm
I wish to second the request for a 3DDwarf view of this epicness.
It's sorta like the DF version of the Washington Memorial...
Also If someone could build some scaffolding, up to the top and make a giant cobalt mushroom cap arround the top we can pretend it's a giant Dimple Cup.
It's 2000+ Zlevels, that thing is in freaking space! For the record, anything above 20Zlevels is considered tall when choosing an embark site.
This is one of the many reasons to steal a super computer.
I wouldn't say it reaches all the way up to space, but it's well over 20,000 feet tall, nearly 4 miles! Given that it's so thin compared it it's height, perhaps it's one of Armok's giant adamantine whiskers! No dwarf in his right mind would ever mine/shave that thing. Clearly, the answer is to induce some insanity first. Withhold the booze!
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 15, 2010, 10:39:07 pm
Post by: Kamudo on July 15, 2010, 10:41:16 pm
The Promised land.Seconded. What should we name the page?
The Spine of the World
The Tower of Armok.
The Lead of Armok's pencil.
Or
Adamantium Bug
Heh. I don't know.
Post by: Toast024 on July 15, 2010, 10:43:53 pm
This is why we need realistic physics in DF. The first thing I would do to that is tip it over.Adamentine is a rather light material.
Post by: cbpye on July 15, 2010, 10:50:05 pm
Year after year, the dwarves of [CIVILIZATION] send an expedition out into the world in order to ascertain the fate of last year's expedition. It has long-since been forgotten exactly when this series of fruitless expeditions started, but the dwarves are a sort that demand an answer.
It happens year after year, when they head northeast to the ominous shrubland that has been known only in name: "The Hill of Spit." The hill lies beyond a ruined elven settlement, a stone's throw away from a brook that has come to be known as "Troublemysteries." By the time they arrive, it is already to late.
They embark year after year, and there they stand, awe-struck with their implements of dwarven duty left undisturbed at their feet. All about them are the decrepit wagons and bleached bones of those who heralded their grim arrival -- barrels filled with rot and worm, picks covered in rust and dust. There they stand with their eyes open wide and jaws agape, and they stare upward into the dome of the heavens. What they see is beyond the ken of mortal beard. It reaches from the ground higher than any bird has flown; higher than any cloud has drifted; higher than any man, dwarf, best or monster has ever or will ever ascend, twisting and writhing upward in ways that can only transfix the gaze of unwary observers in their fundamentally impossible geometries -- a spiraling needle of pure adamantine, ascending beyond the vanishing-point into the sky.
They stand there, motionless and breathless, and wait only for time to wear them down into the dust of the earth from whence they came, leaving that siren spire standing amidst a graveyard of wagons and barrels to call more of their bearded kind to an emaciated doom.
Another year, another expedition unheard of, another question unanswered, another expedition prepared.
Post by: Creamcorn on July 15, 2010, 10:50:22 pm
The Promised land.Seconded. What should we name the page?
The Spine of the World
The Tower of Armok.
The Lead of Armok's pencil.
Or
Adamantium Bug
Heh. I don't know.
The lash of Armok's lash
The Whisker shaving's of Armok's whisker shaving
Toady's answer to the space elevator
A BIG EFFING TOWER OF ADAMANTIUM THE LIKES OF WHICH WILL PROBABLY NEVER BE SEEN AGAIN FOR ANOTHER HUNDRED MILLION DWARF YEARS!?
Post by: Agamemnon on July 15, 2010, 10:51:38 pm
This is why we need realistic physics in DF. The first thing I would do to that is tip it over.Adamentine is a rather light material.
As long as it is heavier than air, it will fall. Unfortunately it will only fall down, not tip over. Wouldn't it be awesome to crush a forest retreat under such a thing?
Post by: Kamudo on July 15, 2010, 10:52:19 pm
"The Siren Spire of Adamant Awe"This.
Year after year, the dwarves of [CIVILIZATION] send an expedition out into the world in order to ascertain the fate of last month's expedition. It has long-since been forgotten exactly when this series of fruitless expeditions started, but the dwarves are a sort that demand an answer.
It happens year after year, when they head northeast to the ominous shrubland that has been known only in name: "The Hill of Spit." The hill lies beyond a ruined elven settlement, a stone's throw away from a brook that has come to be known as "Troublemysteries." By the time they arrive, it is already to late.
They embark year after year, and there they stand, awe-struck with their implements of dwarven duty left undisturbed at their feet. All about them are the decrepit wagons and bleached bones of those who heralded their grim arrival -- barrels filled with rot and worm, picks covered in rust and dust. There they stand with their eyes open wide and jaws agape, and they stare upward into the dome of the heavens. What they see is beyond the ken of mortal beard. It reaches from the ground higher than any bird has flown; higher than any cloud has drifted; higher than any man, dwarf, best or monster has ever or will ever ascend, twisting and writhing upward in ways that can only transfix the gaze of unwary observers in their fundamentally impossible geometries -- a spiraling needle of pure adamantine, ascending beyond the vanishing-point into the sky.
They stand there, motionless and breathless, and wait only for time to wear them down into the dust of the earth from whence they came, leaving that siren spire standing amidst a graveyard of wagons and barrels to call more of their bearded kind to an emaciated doom.
Another year, another expedition unheard of, another question unanswered, another expedition prepared.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 15, 2010, 11:01:05 pm
This again."The Siren Spire of Adamant Awe"This.
Year after year, the dwarves of [CIVILIZATION] send an expedition out into the world in order to ascertain the fate of last month's expedition. It has long-since been forgotten exactly when this series of fruitless expeditions started, but the dwarves are a sort that demand an answer.
It happens year after year, when they head northeast to the ominous shrubland that has been known only in name: "The Hill of Spit." The hill lies beyond a ruined elven settlement, a stone's throw away from a brook that has come to be known as "Troublemysteries." By the time they arrive, it is already to late.
They embark year after year, and there they stand, awe-struck with their implements of dwarven duty left undisturbed at their feet. All about them are the decrepit wagons and bleached bones of those who heralded their grim arrival -- barrels filled with rot and worm, picks covered in rust and dust. There they stand with their eyes open wide and jaws agape, and they stare upward into the dome of the heavens. What they see is beyond the ken of mortal beard. It reaches from the ground higher than any bird has flown; higher than any cloud has drifted; higher than any man, dwarf, best or monster has ever or will ever ascend, twisting and writhing upward in ways that can only transfix the gaze of unwary observers in their fundamentally impossible geometries -- a spiraling needle of pure adamantine, ascending beyond the vanishing-point into the sky.
They stand there, motionless and breathless, and wait only for time to wear them down into the dust of the earth from whence they came, leaving that siren spire standing amidst a graveyard of wagons and barrels to call more of their bearded kind to an emaciated doom.
Another year, another expedition unheard of, another question unanswered, another expedition prepared.
Post by: nbonaparte on July 15, 2010, 11:02:17 pm
Post by: Solace on July 15, 2010, 11:28:54 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 15, 2010, 11:29:35 pm
Post by: TheDJ17 on July 15, 2010, 11:33:09 pm
Post by: Scaraban on July 15, 2010, 11:41:36 pm
I could defiantly see to being mined to make dwarven hot air ballons with a weight like that.u rebel.
instant mental adamantine reward if u get it
Post by: Agamemnon on July 16, 2010, 02:19:10 am
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The raws put adamantine at a density of 200 kg/m^3
Woot... That means, this stuff SWIMS on water!? With that amount of it, you could build atlantis and make it float on its own.
Post by: style on July 16, 2010, 02:35:49 am
Post by: nbonaparte on July 16, 2010, 02:42:22 am
The density is somewhere between balsa wood and cork. And double that of styrofoam. (http://www.monachos.gr/en/resources/Thermo/density.asp)
Post by: atomicthumbs on July 16, 2010, 03:38:56 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 16, 2010, 04:51:14 am
I posted this image elsewhere on the forum but...
It has an adamantine cage containing this:<pic>
Note the person standing next to it.
Is...is that concept art of the Boost Ball Guardian on Steroids? :o
Oh god, don't open it! You'll release Dark Torvus Bog, the worst zone in all of the Metroid Prime series, onto your dwarf's world!
No. Concept art of the Emperor Ing's final form. Which is probably worse.
Post by: Creamcorn on July 16, 2010, 06:27:37 am
Post by: Тoady One on July 16, 2010, 06:40:12 am
Any word from Toady_One on this?FUCK YEAH!
Post by: Rose on July 16, 2010, 06:49:35 am
Any word from Toady_One on this?FUCK YEAH!
so sigged.
Post by: Earthquake Damage on July 16, 2010, 07:03:51 am
Any word from Toady_One on this?FUCK YEAH!
This (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=26414) is not the Toad you're looking for (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=2).
Post by: Creamcorn on July 16, 2010, 07:04:12 am
Any word from Toady_One on this?FUCK YEAH!
so sigged.
Missing underscore, but still pretty awesome.
edit: when did Toady_One not have that underscore...
Post by: Mason11987 on July 16, 2010, 07:16:39 am
what's cool is that it isn't just a tower, it doesn't just go straight up, it weaves around on the x-y as it goes up.
Post by: Rose on July 16, 2010, 07:18:21 am
Post by: Тoady One on July 16, 2010, 07:25:40 am
:( I hate you. I got desigged because of you! :'(Any word from Toady_One on this?FUCK YEAH!
This (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=26414) is not the Toad you're looking for (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=2).
Post by: Dante on July 16, 2010, 07:27:21 am
Post by: OneOfNone on July 16, 2010, 09:32:43 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 16, 2010, 10:02:28 am
Post by: Haspen on July 16, 2010, 10:51:05 am
Pure Awedeminade, or whatever.
It must be from the category of 'Random Special and Unique Occurences', like Cacame.
Have someone made a page about it on wiki?
Post by: Orkel on July 16, 2010, 11:53:51 am
2000+ zlevels. With 27000 zlevels above.
27,000 Z-levels? Is that even possible?
Post by: MaDeR Levap on July 16, 2010, 12:03:07 pm
Very nice glith, by the way! Seems it is not reproducible (at least not fully), judging from other reports.
Post by: breadbocks on July 16, 2010, 12:15:33 pm
Nah, I think it's concept of the Ing Warrior. I hate those bastards.I posted this image elsewhere on the forum but...
It has an adamantine cage containing this:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2164/3529117801_e5b503e27f.jpg)
Note the person standing next to it.
Is...is that concept art of the Boost Ball Guardian on Steroids? :o
Oh god, don't open it! You'll release Dark Torvus Bog, the worst zone in all of the Metroid Prime series, onto your dwarf's world!
Post by: Ricky on July 16, 2010, 12:21:18 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Akura on July 16, 2010, 12:23:14 pm
When did this forum allow guest posts?Any word from Toady_One on this?FUCK YEAH!
Post by: Diablous on July 16, 2010, 12:27:17 pm
When did this forum allow guest posts?Any word from Toady_One on this?FUCK YEAH!
We allow guest posts?
Post by: denito on July 16, 2010, 12:28:25 pm
I wonder if it's lack of RAM that is crashing it on people's Windows machines? I have 8 gig of RAM, on the other hand DF is probably 32 bit so can't access all that, but on the third hand a 64 bit OS may be able to hand a 32 bit program as much 32 bit address space as possible. Or it could have something to do with since the bug was generated on a Linux machine, you need a Linux machine to run it - for some reason. Like, maybe in the process of generating the map it overwrites past its allowed RAM, and on Windows what is overwritten was important but on Linux what was overwritten was unused.
Can't dig anywhere but I was able to smooth and carve fortifications into the adamantine spire, so that's something. Is it just me or will they not cut wood either?
As for a name for the wiki page, I think Slink was onto something: We should call this the Adamantine Space Elevator.
(Actually adamantine is a perfect candidate for space elevator material: fantastically light, super strong, and it's made of strands! Yep, definitely a space elevator.)
Post by: breadbocks on July 16, 2010, 12:50:48 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on July 16, 2010, 12:56:52 pm
It doesn't. The impostor's account was deleted.When did this forum allow guest posts?Any word from Toady_One on this?FUCK YEAH!
Post by: breadbocks on July 16, 2010, 12:58:41 pm
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Adamantine#The_Great_Adamantine_Space_Elevator (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Adamantine#The_Great_Adamantine_Space_Elevator)
Post by: denito on July 16, 2010, 01:32:00 pm
Still unable to mine though.
Update: Well this is weird; the demons have disappeared from my units list and the tube is empty again. Maybe they wandered off.
Post by: Jetsquirrel on July 16, 2010, 01:53:59 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 16, 2010, 02:01:00 pm
Post by: Miggy on July 16, 2010, 02:01:46 pm
Post by: Alkyon on July 16, 2010, 02:08:39 pm
And lo- The wiki page is made.
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Adamantine#The_Great_Adamantine_Space_Elevator (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Adamantine#The_Great_Adamantine_Space_Elevator)
You should probably include a link to this thread in the wiki page.
Post by: Ricky on July 16, 2010, 02:28:32 pm
what if theres a hude addy spire in every world, and thats how demon diplomats and law-gives escape hell?
Post by: Frumpy Playtools on July 16, 2010, 02:41:48 pm
I had started an embark with a volcano, since I wanted easy magma access. It turns out I got more than I bargained for, as I found a massive tube of obsidian and magma climbing out of the mountain. While it does not boast such amazing height as the Spire, it was quite neat.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: MaDeR Levap on July 16, 2010, 03:12:45 pm
what if theres a hude addy spire in every world, and thats how demon diplomats and law-gives escape hell?Too rare (would be discovered and well-known long ago), makes game too non-functional. It is for sure not intended feature.
Post by: s20dan on July 16, 2010, 03:13:28 pm
It is much more rare to get a flat top one, or ground level one in my experience.
Post by: Frumpy Playtools on July 16, 2010, 03:33:52 pm
Post by: martinuzz on July 16, 2010, 04:22:03 pm
Post by: Mishy on July 16, 2010, 04:39:54 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 16, 2010, 05:07:10 pm
If you're running slackware and the random number god throws a dart at your world and you find it.
Post by: gtmattz on July 16, 2010, 05:07:34 pm
I guess I'll have to dig up a similarly odd event I discovered.
I had started an embark with a volcano, since I wanted easy magma access. It turns out I got more than I bargained for, as I found a massive tube of obsidian and magma climbing out of the mountain. While it does not boast such amazing height as the Spire, it was quite neat.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Nothing at all special about that, ALL volcanoes in the 2010 releases do that.
Post by: cbpye on July 16, 2010, 05:14:08 pm
I've also designated the entirety of the ground-level, and the two z-levels above it, to be channelled and deforested. Still they refuse to do this work.
I've established a dormitory within the shadow of the spire. Hopefully the migrant arrival will change things, provided I can actually make anything of value with which to attract said migrants.
Post by: slink on July 16, 2010, 07:35:34 pm
Has anyone compared the underground features and any differences between the original save and people's re-genned worlds that lack the spare? As in, are there 40 z-level slade levels (or any similarity, for that matter) in both copies?
It MUST be known where reality breaks. For the sake of all Dwarven science, it must be known.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61507.msg1402040#msg1402040
As I mentioned in that post, there are far fewer levels belowground for the non-spire site which makes a comparision of the contents is not very meaningful, but here is part of the comparision.
The top five minerals for the spire site are:
RAW_ADAMANTINE : 83550
MICA : 87785
MICROCLINE : 119354
ORTHOCLASE : 140623
SLADE : 1008197
The top five minerals for my spireless site were:
GALENA : 14035
SLADE : 22261
MICROCLINE : 61039
MICA : 75096
ORTHOCLASE : 77118
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 16, 2010, 07:58:55 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 16, 2010, 08:11:12 pm
Post by: Scaraban on July 16, 2010, 10:02:23 pm
Does nobody have a 3D visualizer? We really need one here.im sure almost evry1 has a visualizer they like using the biggest problem being this file is SO FUCKED UP
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 16, 2010, 10:05:57 pm
Post by: Untelligent on July 16, 2010, 10:48:42 pm
3Dwarf hadn't been updated for a while even before the release of 31.01, and I haven't heard anything about Visual Fortress in a while. There was a new visualizer being created for the new versions called Obsidian, not sure what the status of that is. And then I heard about another visualizer that can also display creatures, but that one's still a ways off.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 16, 2010, 10:49:46 pm
Post by: Rose on July 16, 2010, 11:08:02 pm
Aye, and Stonesense can't display a very big area at once, especially when we're talking about a lot of z-levels.
3Dwarf hadn't been updated for a while even before the release of 31.01, and I haven't heard anything about Visual Fortress in a while. There was a new visualizer being created for the new versions called Obsidian, not sure what the status of that is. And then I heard about another visualizer that can also display creatures, but that one's still a ways off.
actually, stonsense is perfectly able to take screenshots of entire fortresses, but it's a little slow
Step one: change the init.txt so that the graphic mode is Software, and the number f shown Z-levels is the height of your fort
Step two: center the view in DF to the highest level in the fort.
Step Three: run stonesense, and as soon as you can see something, press CTRL+F5. you should see a message saying that a large screenshot is being taken, and a progress meter in the title bar.
Stap 4: realize that there's no way you can upload a 200mb png file anywhere
Post by: breadbocks on July 16, 2010, 11:28:33 pm
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 16, 2010, 11:38:50 pm
Aye, and Stonesense can't display a very big area at once, especially when we're talking about a lot of z-levels.
3Dwarf hadn't been updated for a while even before the release of 31.01, and I haven't heard anything about Visual Fortress in a while. There was a new visualizer being created for the new versions called Obsidian, not sure what the status of that is. And then I heard about another visualizer that can also display creatures, but that one's still a ways off.
Visual fortress is dead. Obsidian is the replacement from a different dev team.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 17, 2010, 12:24:52 am
Post by: nbonaparte on July 17, 2010, 12:55:41 am
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 17, 2010, 03:26:14 am
Post by: breadbocks on July 17, 2010, 03:56:47 am
EDIT: Also, I backtraced it, so the cyberpolice will make consequences NEVER be the same. Just had to put that there and see how many trolls I can kite in one day.
Post by: slink on July 17, 2010, 09:15:41 am
I should've noticed that, but that's not entirely what I'm looking for. I'd still like to see what the underground looks like for a normal and super-spire version of this embark, just for comparison. Perhaps not the entire thing, but one cave system and the bottom layers where everything went wrong (or right, depending on how you look at it)
Is the DF map archive still usable?
I can give you a verbal description of the revealed maps. The level numbers are in absolute. Ground level is 139 absolute for both maps.
My Spireless
Levels 76 through 80 are mix of slade walls, slade floors, and HFS.
Level 81 is semi-molten rock with adamantine plugs.
Levels 86 through 89 are mix of regular rock, magma seas, semi-molten rock, and adamantine plugs.
Levels 90 through 104 are a mix of regular rock, descreasing numbers of adamantine plugs, and a magma tube.
Levels 100 through 104 also have a cavern structure including some water.
Tallest plug ends at level 104, as does the magma tube.
Remainder omitted due to normality.
Spire
Levels -30 through 10 are mix of slade walls and HFS, with no slade floor, and some magmafalls.
Level 11 finally has some slade floors along with the rest.
Level 16 has a patchwork of regular rock, semi-molten rock, slade walls, and magmafalls.
Levels continue upward with decreasing slade walls being replaced by opens spaces.
Level 67 has first of the adamantine plugs, which do not even come close to sealing the open spaces.
The square core of the Space Elevator is not continuous. Every layer has a square core, but they do not line up, or even sometimes overlap. Note that part of the surface terrain around the Space Elevator is marked indoor even though it appears to be in the open. The game was pretty confused when it built this map. The tallest adamantine plug in my spireless map would emerge to the northeast of the wagon, about where the pond is on the spire map, so it is not the same as the spire. The patchwork structure of the spire map is missing from the spireless map.
I have seen patchworks underground before, where I have chosen a site with greatly differing biomes. One resulted in a magma sea falling into the HFS in several places and access to the HFS without breaching any adamantine plugs, but the structure of the map was otherwise normal. That is, no Space Elevators. I wonder if it is a division-by-zero thing, or some similar mathematical problem, which is handled differently between the two OS or even between chipsets?
Post by: Mitbick on July 17, 2010, 09:29:29 am
Just wanted to tell you that.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 17, 2010, 01:52:19 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 17, 2010, 01:53:21 pm
Post by: Afthartos on July 17, 2010, 02:31:29 pm
I'm sure there are many others who can't generate this on their own computers and still want to use their own embark settings
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 02:48:54 pm
Post by: denito on July 17, 2010, 03:18:21 pm
Post by: Nil Eyeglazed on July 17, 2010, 03:28:20 pm
So if you want to recreate this world, put your computer in the oven while you're generating :)
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 04:05:37 pm
Stupid question, but then I made the same mistake myself: are you trying to find it under "Start New Game" or "Continue Game"? Because I kept looking for it under "Start New Game" until I remembered that it's a save of a game in progress, therefore you have to find it under "Continue Game".
Alas it's under continue game i go to look, if i try it on a clean DF of 31.08 say, it doesnt give me the option to continue, and if i put it in one of my many modded DF 31.08's but only the save that was in there shows up, i've tried copying my raws into it etc etc, is weird that it only shows up in 31.10 wish i knew why.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 17, 2010, 07:36:40 pm
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 17, 2010, 08:03:00 pm
Post by: Scaraban on July 17, 2010, 08:07:57 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 17, 2010, 08:12:45 pm
he didnt mean back compatible, he meant tht u cant use more recent saves on older versionsThat's what backwards compatibility is, a new version able to handle older stuff.
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 17, 2010, 08:18:44 pm
Post by: cbpye on July 17, 2010, 08:23:19 pm
I should've noticed that, but that's not entirely what I'm looking for. I'd still like to see what the underground looks like for a normal and super-spire version of this embark, just for comparison. Perhaps not the entire thing, but one cave system and the bottom layers where everything went wrong (or right, depending on how you look at it)
Is the DF map archive still usable?
I can give you a verbal description of the revealed maps. The level numbers are in absolute. Ground level is 139 absolute for both maps.
My Spireless
Levels 76 through 80 are mix of slade walls, slade floors, and HFS.
Level 81 is semi-molten rock with adamantine plugs.
Levels 86 through 89 are mix of regular rock, magma seas, semi-molten rock, and adamantine plugs.
Levels 90 through 104 are a mix of regular rock, descreasing numbers of adamantine plugs, and a magma tube.
Levels 100 through 104 also have a cavern structure including some water.
Tallest plug ends at level 104, as does the magma tube.
Remainder omitted due to normality.
Spire
Levels -30 through 10 are mix of slade walls and HFS, with no slade floor, and some magmafalls.
Level 11 finally has some slade floors along with the rest.
Level 16 has a patchwork of regular rock, semi-molten rock, slade walls, and magmafalls.
Levels continue upward with decreasing slade walls being replaced by opens spaces.
Level 67 has first of the adamantine plugs, which do not even come close to sealing the open spaces.
The square core of the Space Elevator is not continuous. Every layer has a square core, but they do not line up, or even sometimes overlap. Note that part of the surface terrain around the Space Elevator is marked indoor even though it appears to be in the open. The game was pretty confused when it built this map. The tallest adamantine plug in my spireless map would emerge to the northeast of the wagon, about where the pond is on the spire map, so it is not the same as the spire. The patchwork structure of the spire map is missing from the spireless map.
I have seen patchworks underground before, where I have chosen a site with greatly differing biomes. One resulted in a magma sea falling into the HFS in several places and access to the HFS without breaching any adamantine plugs, but the structure of the map was otherwise normal. That is, no Space Elevators. I wonder if it is a division-by-zero thing, or some similar mathematical problem, which is handled differently between the two OS or even between chipsets?
Could you please export this to the Dwarf Fortress Map Archive? I want to see that for myself.
I had migrants arrive, still no digging or tree-cutting.
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 09:16:41 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 17, 2010, 09:35:00 pm
Actually, using new saves on an old version would be forwards compatibility.I'm not talking about that though. I'm just talking about using old saves on a new version.
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 09:39:45 pm
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Post by: ECrownofFire on July 17, 2010, 09:42:20 pm
Wait, how much storage does Dropbox have? I'm sure it's enough to host that 200 MB image.
Post by: Dermonster on July 17, 2010, 09:42:40 pm
Whats that black stuff at the top?
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 09:46:56 pm
Oh my ArmokAbsolutely no idea, just added a hotkey to zoom to the top, fiddled Stonesense, just going to see how to persuade it to do this image 2073 is the absolute top on mine as far as i can tell.
Whats that black stuff at the top?
Here's the very top, still trying to figure out how to do quite such a large DFDump. :P
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Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 17, 2010, 09:56:39 pm
Post by: Dermonster on July 17, 2010, 09:59:55 pm
Post by: denito on July 17, 2010, 10:03:53 pm
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 10:13:05 pm
Oh my ArmokThinking about it, perhaps the black stuff is like mini pockets of caves, since it's "inside" seemingly itself half the time, so perhaps it's just not been seen yet.
Whats that black stuff at the top?
Well it seems software isn't necessary to do large screenies anymore, which had passed me by, not quite got the right settings yet, but heres the progress;
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Post by: cbpye on July 17, 2010, 10:55:37 pm
Those screenshots are amazing though. Just think: it keeps going on and on like that, for over 2000 z-levels.
Post by: Porpoisepower on July 17, 2010, 10:56:05 pm
Post by: Dearnen on July 17, 2010, 10:58:21 pm
Post by: shadowclasper on July 17, 2010, 11:00:05 pm
The only thing that will be more epic is when someone manages to MINE this sucker!
Post by: Porpoisepower on July 17, 2010, 11:02:50 pm
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 11:09:12 pm
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Post by: Zaerosz on July 17, 2010, 11:11:59 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 17, 2010, 11:12:20 pm
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 11:16:00 pm
I'm guessing all that black stone is Slade?Nope as far as we can tell it's micro climate caves, scattered throughout it, since some parts are inside afaik.
Post by: Rose on July 17, 2010, 11:17:58 pm
oh well.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 17, 2010, 11:19:49 pm
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 11:21:33 pm
and here I was thinking 255 Z-levels would be all that's needed for stonesense...
oh well.
Hehe, just did a quick calculation, incredibly rough that pic is approx 225.69 levels :P incredibly rough but nice to know i wasnt too far off, and a hack way of doing it too, cut and paste ftw. :D
Post by: Rose on July 17, 2010, 11:22:44 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on July 17, 2010, 11:32:32 pm
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 11:32:46 pm
I did post the method of getting entire-fortress shots, you know.I was pretty sure you had, but my weary mind didn't know where to look, i had a very brief scout in the Stonesense thread, guess it's on the wiki somewhere then? or have i maxed the height i can do?
Post by: MaximumZero on July 17, 2010, 11:34:46 pm
Aye, and Stonesense can't display a very big area at once, especially when we're talking about a lot of z-levels.
3Dwarf hadn't been updated for a while even before the release of 31.01, and I haven't heard anything about Visual Fortress in a while. There was a new visualizer being created for the new versions called Obsidian, not sure what the status of that is. And then I heard about another visualizer that can also display creatures, but that one's still a ways off.
actually, stonsense is perfectly able to take screenshots of entire fortresses, but it's a little slow
Step one: change the init.txt so that the graphic mode is Software, and the number f shown Z-levels is the height of your fort
Step two: center the view in DF to the highest level in the fort.
Step Three: run stonesense, and as soon as you can see something, press CTRL+F5. you should see a message saying that a large screenshot is being taken, and a progress meter in the title bar.
Stap 4: realize that there's no way you can upload a 200mb png file anywhere
That would be in this thread.
Edit: On page 16, no less.
Post by: Thoth on July 17, 2010, 11:39:54 pm
Hmmm, seems there really wasn't anything much different to what i was doing, so far only the spire thats 255~z high, and the pngs are currently topping out at 2.7mb. To recap, I've set to software, set segmentsizes waaay up, 2074 is the z level above the top of the tower, i've varied the xy but makes no difference, i'm looking at the top of the tower in DF, Japa, or anyone else that's managed to do really large Stonesense screenshots, is 255 z level the highest it'll render at all currently?, i'm prob too tired to still be hammering away at this :P.
Post by: Eduren on July 18, 2010, 12:09:45 am
And did somebody submit it to the bug tracker yet?
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 18, 2010, 12:15:12 am
Post by: Thoth on July 18, 2010, 12:23:03 am
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Anyhow before i derail the thread, here's my final two pics for my night;
Lowest level of the adamantine ... thing @67z;
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Post by: Dermonster on July 18, 2010, 12:32:51 am
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 18, 2010, 12:33:37 am
Post by: Orlist on July 18, 2010, 12:38:18 am
Someone needs to tvtrope this. Bizarrchitecture?
Slash Eldrich Location, on account of the buggyness.
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 18, 2010, 12:46:38 am
Post by: Dermonster on July 18, 2010, 12:49:27 am
I put it under eldritch location under bizzaritecture
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 18, 2010, 01:02:36 am
Post by: cbpye on July 18, 2010, 01:54:18 am
And yes, I put it on the bug tracker. It hasn't gotten a lot of buzz, probably because I was unsure how to go about submitting this bug.
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2713
Post by: Dearnen on July 18, 2010, 01:58:12 am
Post by: cbpye on July 18, 2010, 02:07:24 am
Post by: Igfig on July 18, 2010, 02:11:55 am
I submit that it should be called simply The Spire. It's not like anybody could mistake it for any other spire.
Post by: Agamemnon on July 18, 2010, 02:12:56 am
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The most you can see of the thingie and the ground,
That will be my new desktop background, thanks!
Post by: Thoth on July 18, 2010, 03:08:46 am
For the full 5mb png, when i get round to doing the full stitch later should be 20-30mb tower 30k pixels high I'd guess at, but for now the 255z spire and ground in full;QuoteThe most you can see of the thingie and the ground,
That will be my new desktop background, thanks!
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Post by: Terisuke on July 18, 2010, 03:15:27 am
That's right, friends. You've found the Dwarven Space Elevator.
Post by: nbonaparte on July 18, 2010, 03:47:37 am
Fff, this is not merely a random spire of adamantine. Think: where have you heard, previously, about building a long, thin vertical structure out of high-tensile-strength material, extending impossibly upwards to the sky?
That's right, friends. You've found the Dwarven Space Elevator.
You're a bit late on that concept. Check a few pages back.
Post by: Terisuke on July 18, 2010, 03:52:03 am
Blast and damnation. It just proves the validity of the theory, though, when two people come to it independently.Fff, this is not merely a random spire of adamantine. Think: where have you heard, previously, about building a long, thin vertical structure out of high-tensile-strength material, extending impossibly upwards to the sky?
That's right, friends. You've found the Dwarven Space Elevator.
You're a bit late on that concept. Check a few pages back.
Post by: MaDeR Levap on July 18, 2010, 07:44:39 am
and here I was thinking 255 Z-levels would be all that's needed for stonesense...With Dwarf Fortress, no such assumption is safe... ;) main reason - glitched and buggy maps are here reverended and prayed for.
Normal game: Oh shit, map crapped. Restart *mumbles curses adressed to programmers*
DF: Cool, I have DF aqueduct/space elevator! Praise Toady One! Now, how we dig it?
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 18, 2010, 08:25:17 am
I submit that it should be called simply The Spire. It's not like anybody could mistake it for any other spire.Agreed, that's how I've been thinking of it.
Anyone else think it looks sort of Escher-ish in the Stonesense pics?
Sadly, I think somebody worked out early in the thread that it's only about four miles tall, which is a bit too short for a space elevator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator#Geostationary_orbital_tethers).Blast and damnation. It just proves the validity of the theory, though, when two people come to it independently.Fff, this is not merely a random spire of adamantine. Think: where have you heard, previously, about building a long, thin vertical structure out of high-tensile-strength material, extending impossibly upwards to the sky?
That's right, friends. You've found the Dwarven Space Elevator.
You're a bit late on that concept. Check a few pages back.
Post by: Rose on July 18, 2010, 08:33:57 am
cus when I use 16km as 1 Z-level, we reach geostationary orbit.
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 18, 2010, 08:34:58 am
really? what was the measurement unit used?Sounds good to me. Clearly dwarves are just really damn fast at climbing stairs.
cus when I use 16km as 1 Z-level, we reach geostationary orbit.
Post by: nbonaparte on July 18, 2010, 10:16:47 am
Post by: Agamemnon on July 18, 2010, 10:30:25 am
really? what was the measurement unit used?Sounds good to me. Clearly dwarves are just really damn fast at climbing stairs.
cus when I use 16km as 1 Z-level, we reach geostationary orbit.
Not as fast as falling them down ;D
Post by: Rose on July 18, 2010, 10:48:39 am
Post by: nbonaparte on July 18, 2010, 10:49:45 am
Post by: Rose on July 18, 2010, 11:01:57 am
Post by: nbonaparte on July 18, 2010, 11:05:15 am
Post by: Rose on July 18, 2010, 11:25:50 am
Post by: nbonaparte on July 18, 2010, 11:30:45 am
Post by: Rose on July 18, 2010, 11:53:20 am
either way, this thing leaves the atmosphere.
Post by: Ricky on July 18, 2010, 11:55:52 am
Post by: Porpoisepower on July 18, 2010, 01:04:14 pm
Post by: TheDJ17 on July 18, 2010, 01:10:15 pm
Post by: ZJVavrek on July 18, 2010, 01:18:43 pm
Post by: Porpoisepower on July 18, 2010, 01:26:12 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 18, 2010, 01:31:45 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on July 18, 2010, 02:06:29 pm
That means that the Dwarven Space Elevator is 48929m/160,524ft/30.40 miles high. We're in the upper Stratosphere, but we haven't totally left the atmosphere.
Space, folks, is Z-Level 4520 (at 100km, or 62 miles).
Post by: Haspen on July 18, 2010, 03:17:03 pm
Just so you guys know, Everest is 8,848 m (29,029 ft) high. That puts each z-level to be 22.12 m/72.57 ft high.
That means that the Dwarven Space Elevator is 48929m/160,524ft/30.40 miles high. We're in the upper Stratosphere, but we haven't totally left the atmosphere.
Space, folks, is Z-Level 4520 (at 100km, or 62 miles).
There was other counting system, with full 7/7 of water being just above human's head.
Given this, one z-level is... uh. 1.8m I think?
*goes to fail at math somewhere else*
Post by: thijser on July 18, 2010, 03:20:40 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on July 18, 2010, 03:29:48 pm
Post by: Scaraban on July 18, 2010, 03:30:41 pm
Actually, using new saves on an old version would be forwards compatibility.thts wat im saying
Post by: denito on July 18, 2010, 03:45:50 pm
In the Red Mars trilogy, there is a scene in which someone cuts the geostationary counterweight off a space elevator that was built on Mars. This causes destruction of cataclysmic proportions as the space elevator material falls to the ground, eventually wrapping around the equator of Mars three times over as the planet turns beneath the falling elevator.
Post by: KWSN on July 18, 2010, 04:42:40 pm
I think we should all agree that the Dwarven Space Elevator is awesome, even though the z-level measurement is wonky, and not give a damn how tall it would be in real life. Agreed?
Considering the game tends to throw physics out the window (perpetual motion machines anyone?), I say we throw the "standard" definition of space out the window here. It reaches their version of space.
Post by: denito on July 18, 2010, 05:26:48 pm
Considering the game tends to throw physics out the window (perpetual motion machines anyone?), I say we throw the "standard" definition of space out the window here. It reaches their version of space.
This.
Edit: Especially when you consider that our technical term for a platform that can drop magma from the sky is "orbital magma cannon" and those are not usually built at even 100 Z levels. Geostationary orbit on Earth is about 22,000 miles up. Wikipedia says Low Earth orbit is 100 to 1200 miles up. If we accept the premise that a 2,200 Z level space elevator reaches the DF version of geosynchronous, then low Earth orbit for DF would be between 10 and 120 Z-levels up, which sounds about right for the range people would build orbital magma cannons at.
Post by: AzureAngelic on July 18, 2010, 06:05:21 pm
Considering the game tends to throw physics out the window (perpetual motion machines anyone?), I say we throw the "standard" definition of space out the window here. It reaches their version of space.
This.
Edit: Especially when you consider that our technical term for a platform that can drop magma from the sky is "orbital magma cannon" and those are not usually built at even 100 Z levels. Geostationary orbit on Earth is about 22,000 miles up. Wikipedia says Low Earth orbit is 100 to 1200 miles up. If we accept the premise that a 2,200 Z level space elevator reaches the DF version of geosynchronous, then low Earth orbit for DF would be between 10 and 120 Z-levels up, which sounds about right for the range people would build orbital magma cannons at.
10 is low orbit?
So basically, dwarves dig underground because if they jump they die of atmospheric conditions?
Does this mean that elves are actually aliens capable of thriving off the ozone layer?
Post by: breadbocks on July 18, 2010, 06:21:14 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 18, 2010, 06:23:52 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 18, 2010, 06:24:14 pm
Post by: Porpoisepower on July 18, 2010, 06:58:50 pm
Do we even know the world is flat? Anyone start an adventurer out as far east west as you could, and then try to walk off the edge?
Assuming the world is flat it is not without depth. For all we know the planet could be a cube.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 18, 2010, 07:25:34 pm
Post by: Untelligent on July 18, 2010, 07:48:49 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 18, 2010, 07:55:11 pm
Post by: Creamcorn on July 18, 2010, 08:10:02 pm
Orbitting works pretty much the same way it does IRL.
Do we even know the world is flat? Anyone start an adventurer out as far east west as you could, and then try to walk off the edge?
Assuming the world is flat it is not without depth. For all we know the planet could be a cube.
Tried it, can't be done but the fact that there is a sun and moon rising everyday is fact enough to say the world is round. It's not just implemented. Also, I think Toady_One's getting a kick out of reading our speculation on this marvel.
This spire, it's just like Energizers.
Post by: breadbocks on July 18, 2010, 08:31:32 pm
Again, infinitagonal prism.Orbitting works pretty much the same way it does IRL.
Do we even know the world is flat? Anyone start an adventurer out as far east west as you could, and then try to walk off the edge?
Assuming the world is flat it is not without depth. For all we know the planet could be a cube.
Tried it, can't be done but the fact that there is a sun and moon rising everyday is fact enough to say the world is round. It's not just implemented. Also, I think Toady_One's getting a kick out of reading our speculation on this marvel.
This spire, it's just like Energizers.
Post by: dragnar on July 18, 2010, 08:33:29 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 18, 2010, 08:39:04 pm
Post by: Christes on July 18, 2010, 09:01:15 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 18, 2010, 09:11:24 pm
Post by: Porpoisepower on July 18, 2010, 09:14:13 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 18, 2010, 09:23:54 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 18, 2010, 09:27:02 pm
I'm in the dark here. Who is groaning and why? What's the "Red Dwarf"? Who didn't know what a Dwarf planet is?
Spoiler: Explaining the joke ruins it (click to show/hide)
Post by: breadbocks on July 18, 2010, 09:38:35 pm
2. Pluto is a dwarf planet, not a Dwarf planet.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 18, 2010, 09:39:14 pm
1. Where did Pluto come into this?1. Pluto is a dwarf planet
2. Pluto is a dwarf planet, not a Dwarf planet.
2. That's the joke :P
Post by: breadbocks on July 18, 2010, 09:41:39 pm
Carry on with your regularly scheduled groan.
Post by: Creamcorn on July 18, 2010, 09:45:27 pm
Huh. Circular logic. I LIKE IT!
Carry on with your regularly scheduled groan.
I don't get it, but I'll laugh anyway.
By the way, what's the average usage of power for this site?
Post by: breadbocks on July 18, 2010, 10:21:47 pm
Urist's Law of Relativity #1
The higher the Z-level, the larger the Z-level.
eg. At Z-level 0 (Yes 140 from where your wagon drops) 7/7 is slightly above a human's head. At Z-level 100, 7/7 water is about at the shoulders of a adolescent Bronze Colossus.
The higher the Z-level, the larger the Z-level.
eg. At Z-level 0 (Yes 140 from where your wagon drops) 7/7 is slightly above a human's head. At Z-level 100, 7/7 water is about at the shoulders of a adolescent Bronze Colossus.
If you follow the formula put forth by Dwarves, a child is 1/4 of a normal creature. So an adolescent would be around 1/2, or 1/3 for a small one, of the size of a normal creature. A normal BC is 20,000,000 size. That puts an adolesant between 6,666,667 size and 10,000,000 size. A full grown human is 70,000. Plenty of padding in that law to make a 2000 Z-level tower go to Pluto and back.
Post by: Scaraban on July 18, 2010, 10:26:28 pm
[/derail] I've got it!lolUrist's Law of Relativity #1
The higher the Z-level, the larger the Z-level.
eg. At Z-level 0 (Yes 140 from where your wagon drops) 7/7 is slightly above a human's head. At Z-level 100, 7/7 water is about at the shoulders of a adolescent Bronze Colossus.
If you follow the formula put forth by Dwarves, a child is 1/4 of a normal creature. So an adolescent would be around 1/2, or 1/3 for a small one, of the size of a normal creature. A normal BC is 20,000,000 size. That puts an adolesant between 6,666,667 size and 10,000,000 size. A full grown human is 70,000. Plenty of padding in that law to make a 2000 Z-level tower go to Pluto and back.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 18, 2010, 10:26:53 pm
[/derail] I've got it!Relativity?Urist's Law of Relativity #1
The higher the Z-level, the larger the Z-level.
eg. At Z-level 0 (Yes 140 from where your wagon drops) 7/7 is slightly above a human's head. At Z-level 100, 7/7 water is about at the shoulders of a adolescent Bronze Colossus.
If you follow the formula put forth by Dwarves, a child is 1/4 of a normal creature. So an adolescent would be around 1/2, or 1/3 for a small one, of the size of a normal creature. A normal BC is 20,000,000 size. That puts an adolesant between 6,666,667 size and 10,000,000 size. A full grown human is 70,000. Plenty of padding in that law to make a 2000 Z-level tower go to Pluto and back.
Post by: Scaraban on July 18, 2010, 10:28:48 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 18, 2010, 11:29:02 pm
Post by: Porpoisepower on July 19, 2010, 01:30:25 am
I'm in the dark here. Who is groaning and why? What's the "Red Dwarf"? Who didn't know what a Dwarf planet is?
The Red Dwarf was a UNC Mining Ship in the BBC Sci-Fi Comedy by the same name. It features Lister, the last remaining Human, A hologram named Rimmer, who's job was to annoy Lister. "The Cat" a human like creature evolved over millions of years from Lister's cat.(Lister was put into suspended animation for smuggling his cat aboard). Oh and a robot named Kryton. Imagine Star Trek voyager, as performed by Monty Python.
Good lord, revelation pt 2. The Red Dwarf was infested with CATS...
I wonder if Toady was a fan. This is starting to freak me out.
Edit: Another revelation... One of the reoccuring antagonists were Gelf's. And in one episode the crew from the RD trade with them!
Post by: breadbocks on July 19, 2010, 01:40:12 am
"Slaves to Armok: God of Blood
Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress
Red Dwarf: The Game"
Colon cancer (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ColonCancer) indeed.
DIET: I don't have to put up with crap, Scaraban (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=4121549).
Post by: KWSN on July 19, 2010, 02:10:22 am
I'm in the dark here. Who is groaning and why? What's the "Red Dwarf"? Who didn't know what a Dwarf planet is?
The Red Dwarf was a UNC Mining Ship in the BBC Sci-Fi Comedy by the same name. It features Lister, the last remaining Human, A hologram named Rimmer, who's job was to annoy Lister. "The Cat" a human like creature evolved over millions of years from Lister's cat.(Lister was put into suspended animation for smuggling his cat aboard). Oh and a robot named Kryton. Imagine Star Trek voyager, as performed by Monty Python.
Good lord, revelation pt 2. The Red Dwarf was infested with CATS...
I wonder if Toady was a fan. This is starting to freak me out.
Edit: Another revelation... One of the reoccuring antagonists were Gelf's. And in one episode the crew from the RD trade with them!
A dwarf goes to sleep. He sleeps through an entire tantrum spiral. He wakes up, only to find an engraving on his wall:
"Engraved on the wall is a message: 'They're dead, Urist.'"
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 19, 2010, 02:29:55 am
I swear I've heard of this before, I forget where though.I'm in the dark here. Who is groaning and why? What's the "Red Dwarf"? Who didn't know what a Dwarf planet is?
The Red Dwarf was a UNC Mining Ship in the BBC Sci-Fi Comedy by the same name. It features Lister, the last remaining Human, A hologram named Rimmer, who's job was to annoy Lister. "The Cat" a human like creature evolved over millions of years from Lister's cat.(Lister was put into suspended animation for smuggling his cat aboard). Oh and a robot named Kryton. Imagine Star Trek voyager, as performed by Monty Python.
Good lord, revelation pt 2. The Red Dwarf was infested with CATS...
I wonder if Toady was a fan. This is starting to freak me out.
Edit: Another revelation... One of the reoccuring antagonists were Gelf's. And in one episode the crew from the RD trade with them!
Post by: Rose on July 19, 2010, 05:36:18 am
I'm in the dark here. Who is groaning and why? What's the "Red Dwarf"? Who didn't know what a Dwarf planet is?
The Red Dwarf was a UNC Mining Ship in the BBC Sci-Fi Comedy by the same name. It features Lister, the last remaining Human, A hologram named Rimmer, who's job was to annoy Lister. "The Cat" a human like creature evolved over millions of years from Lister's cat.(Lister was put into suspended animation for smuggling his cat aboard). Oh and a robot named Kryton. Imagine Star Trek voyager, as performed by Monty Python.
Good lord, revelation pt 2. The Red Dwarf was infested with CATS...
I wonder if Toady was a fan. This is starting to freak me out.
Edit: Another revelation... One of the reoccuring antagonists were Gelf's. And in one episode the crew from the RD trade with them!
A dwarf goes to sleep. He sleeps through an entire tantrum spiral. He wakes up, only to find an engraving on his wall:
"Engraved on the wall is a message: 'They're dead, Urist.'"
Wait, are you trying to tell me everybody's dead?
Post by: Porpoisepower on July 19, 2010, 06:07:31 am
Post by: Agamemnon on July 19, 2010, 06:29:25 am
Post by: Creamcorn on July 19, 2010, 06:51:12 am
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 19, 2010, 07:51:00 am
That's nonsense, Untelligent. We live on an infintagonal prism. That is how we have so many different wrolds.Personally I prefer the term "omnihedron".
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on July 19, 2010, 02:40:53 pm
Post by: SenorPez on July 19, 2010, 03:10:50 pm
Well Armok's Martini's are probably river spirits, sweet pod rum, magma. Shaken, not stirred.
Why does Armok drink weak martinis?
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 19, 2010, 03:46:55 pm
He forgot the blood.Well Armok's Martini's are probably river spirits, sweet pod rum, magma. Shaken, not stirred.
Why does Armok drink weak martinis?
Post by: Toast024 on July 19, 2010, 11:14:30 pm
[offtopic] Are you me from the future?He forgot the blood.Well Armok's Martini's are probably river spirits, sweet pod rum, magma. Shaken, not stirred.
Why does Armok drink weak martinis?
Post by: Thoth on July 19, 2010, 11:26:14 pm
Is unsurprisingly all on youtube and ofc other places, go search it out, most of the series are great.I swear I've heard of this before, I forget where though.I'm in the dark here. Who is groaning and why? What's the "Red Dwarf"? Who didn't know what a Dwarf planet is?
The Red Dwarf was a UNC Mining Ship in the BBC Sci-Fi Comedy by the same name. It features Lister, the last remaining Human, A hologram named Rimmer, who's job was to annoy Lister. "The Cat" a human like creature evolved over millions of years from Lister's cat.(Lister was put into suspended animation for smuggling his cat aboard). Oh and a robot named Kryton. Imagine Star Trek voyager, as performed by Monty Python.
Good lord, revelation pt 2. The Red Dwarf was infested with CATS...
I wonder if Toady was a fan. This is starting to freak me out.
Edit: Another revelation... One of the reoccuring antagonists were Gelf's. And in one episode the crew from the RD trade with them!
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Post by: gtmattz on July 19, 2010, 11:26:26 pm
Well Armok's Martini's are probably river spirits, sweet pod rum, magma. Shaken, not stirred.
Why does Armok drink weak martinis?
Yeah... I would think armok drinks magma martinis with a blood spritzer served in an ☼Adimantium Martini Glass☼ with a goblin head instead of an olive.
Post by: andfhe on July 20, 2010, 12:00:22 am
Post by: VerdantSF on July 20, 2010, 01:13:06 am
Sometimes I'm happy that I joined this community and I'm able to witness such things.Heheh, same here! I totally thought the OP was exaggerating at first. And then I began to read the thread. I am in awe.
Post by: Thoth on July 21, 2010, 09:00:48 am
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Post by: Jetsquirrel on July 21, 2010, 09:10:05 am
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Post by: deoxys413 on July 21, 2010, 09:24:47 am
MY GOD that thins is huge we must build a swimming pool at the bottom level and let one of the dwarf jump from the top of that thing
23rd Timber:
Urist McSwimmer: CANNONBAAAAAAAAAA-
1st Obsidian:
Urist McSwimmer: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
23rd Obsidian:
Urist McSwimmer Died after doing an awesome cannonball
Post by: Funtimes on July 21, 2010, 09:34:43 am
MY GOD that thins is huge we must build a swimming pool at the bottom level and let one of the dwarf jump from the top of that thing
23rd Timber:
Urist McSwimmer: CANNONBAAAAAAAAAA-
1st Obsidian:
Urist McSwimmer: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
23rd Obsidian:
Urist McSwimmer Died after doing an awesome cannonball
22nd Obsidian:
Urist McSwimmer has died of thirst.
Everyone cancels pool party: giblets everywhere.
Post by: Hokan on July 21, 2010, 03:59:01 pm
Post by: ShdwFlm on July 21, 2010, 04:07:50 pm
Hopefully it's stitched to your standards, gentlemen.
"Small":
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Daaaamn.
Post by: Dermonster on July 21, 2010, 04:09:08 pm
any word from the
Post by: MaximumZero on July 21, 2010, 05:12:17 pm
Instant awesome overload. ^_^
Post by: Thoth on July 21, 2010, 05:29:50 pm
Long time lurker, signed up just to post this. :ocurses you beat me to it ah well, i have a 25mb png if anyone really wants it, 4608 x 43092 pixels :P
Hopefully it's stitched to your standards, gentlemen.
here was my attempt i did a few hours ago but got hilariously sidetracked;
Right here we go, final stitch, its only linking to a low res version until i manage to find somewhere that doesnt auto downmix;
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Post by: NightmareBros on July 21, 2010, 05:44:57 pm
1. Climb tower
2. build fort on top of tower
3. Mine Moon
4.?????
5. Fun.
Also, YOUR PICK IS THE PICK THAT SHALL PIERCE THE HEAVENS
Post by: Rumrusher on July 21, 2010, 05:48:12 pm
I can see a mega project being built on this like a large dwarven space station.
Post by: Creamcorn on July 21, 2010, 07:03:00 pm
Post by: nbonaparte on July 21, 2010, 09:04:06 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 21, 2010, 09:08:27 pm
Post by: goffrie on July 21, 2010, 10:05:18 pm
Wait, does mining work as long as you don't touch the tower? If so, you could dig out everything around it to collapse the whole thing.
No, apparently the save is bugged to the point that no workers will pick up any tools (i.e. no mining).
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 21, 2010, 10:17:57 pm
Which really sucks, because it would be so awesome to collapse that thing.Wait, does mining work as long as you don't touch the tower? If so, you could dig out everything around it to collapse the whole thing.
No, apparently the save is bugged to the point that no workers will pick up any tools (i.e. no mining).
Post by: Daywalkah on July 21, 2010, 10:22:23 pm
FOR SCIENCE!!!
Post by: Rose on July 21, 2010, 11:26:42 pm
the entire area is counted as being teh underworld.
try makind down stairs, I think those work on slade.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 21, 2010, 11:58:28 pm
I think I know what could be the issue.The problem is that the dwarves won't even pick up their tools.
the entire area is counted as being teh underworld.
try makind down stairs, I think those work on slade.
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 22, 2010, 05:33:30 am
Picking something up off the ground would require looking away from the spire.I think I know what could be the issue.The problem is that the dwarves won't even pick up their tools.
the entire area is counted as being teh underworld.
try makind down stairs, I think those work on slade.
Post by: LordSlowpoke on July 22, 2010, 05:47:27 am
Picking something up off the ground would require looking away from the spire.I think I know what could be the issue.The problem is that the dwarves won't even pick up their tools.
the entire area is counted as being teh underworld.
try makind down stairs, I think those work on slade.
Solution; Mod out your dwarves' eyes.
I thought I'll never have an occasion to say this again, this being .31 and such. But I demand that someone tries it.
Post by: MaDeR Levap on July 22, 2010, 12:41:38 pm
It is small wonder. It would be big wonder, if normal gameplay (aside of one-digit FPS) would be possible. I wonder, is this because of corrupted save - or map itself, technically correct, but too big, cause this behaviour (no picking equipment etc). Maybe, say, some timing mismatch, because on that large map some things can take unexceptedly long time.
Anyway, it would be nice if Toady would check it. We want to routinely play that large embark areas in 2020, right? ;]
Post by: Eric Blank on July 22, 2010, 01:25:34 pm
I am amazed that this glitch did not just crash DF when deploying map on embark screen. OP was very lucky to get bug that was selfcontained (no infinite loops, for example).
It is small wonder. It would be big wonder, if normal gameplay (aside of one-digit FPS) would be possible. I wonder, is this because of corrupted save - or map itself, technically correct, but too big, cause this behaviour (no picking equipment etc). Maybe, say, some timing mismatch, because on that large map some things can take unexceptedly long time.
Anyway, it would be nice if Toady would check it. We want to routinely play that large embark areas in 2020, right? ;]
From other people's attempts to embark on the location again, it's just a bug that occurred once, and would be a miracle if your computer happened to be thinking the same things at the same time to make it happen again (I'm betting it was somehow caused externally by the computer performing multiple tasks at the same time, and glitched, leading to DF[and probably the other programs] to be corrupted.) All the other embark attempts in that world and in worlds genned from the same param set came out with a perfectly [un]boring [evil] grassland [full of undead horrors], no tower was present, no apparent glitches. But hey, maybe they were all lying and want to keep the awesomeness to themselves. :-X
yay for glitches that leave things partially playable :P
Post by: Xvareon on July 22, 2010, 02:11:21 pm
Post by: Toast024 on July 22, 2010, 02:36:52 pm
NOTHING
NADDA
ZILCH
ZERO
EL ZULCHOMONDO
OTHER WORDS THAT MEAN NOTHING
Post by: dragnar on July 22, 2010, 02:47:21 pm
Post by: Xvareon on July 22, 2010, 08:00:51 pm
Post by: cbpye on July 22, 2010, 09:01:07 pm
Thoth, ShdwFlm, thanks for your work on that!
The first step towards getting this thing mineable, is getting it playable. There's several thousand empty z-levels above the top of this thing. If we could cut all but 15 of those z-levels off, somehow, it might make the map a little more FPS-friendly.
The next step should be figuring out why these dwarves will make tools and move tools to stockpiles, but won't actually equip them in order to use them outside of military purposes (they did pick up stuff when told to do so as a military squad, but they dropped them as soon as their orders were cancelled or they went inactive).
Once we can trim some z-levels off and get dwarves to at least pick up their tools, mining should be no problem since they already can smooth the walls of the spire and carve fortifications to it i.e. they know that the spire is there, they know they can path to it, and they are able to work on it.
Since everything I've heard about this map so far implies that Windows users are unable to run it (due to crashing), getting these steps would require someone running the game on Linux (possibly 64-bit Linux, specifically) and poking around in the RAM while the game is running, comparing things that are or are not happening with things that should or should not be happening when the game runs normally. And that's waaaay out of my league.
Post by: gilesguy on July 22, 2010, 09:28:09 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 23, 2010, 12:20:48 am
I don't know much about modding, but could you mod the dwarves to not need picks to mine without having to gen another world? What happens if you add the tag that lets picks dig tiles to, say, the dwaves hands?I'm pretty sure that picks being required is hardcoded into the game.
Post by: Eric Blank on July 23, 2010, 04:19:36 am
Still, you're gonna have to get those picks and axes into their hands somehow, preferably in such a way that the game recognizes that they are now carrying and weilding the item in ways other than just showing in their inventory, which is probably what would happen if you used a utility to teleport them into their hands, but that should be considered if anyone knows how to make one/dfhack can do that (I don't use DFhack or any other utilities.) then it's at least worth a shot.
Post by: breadbocks on July 23, 2010, 04:31:45 am
Since everything I've heard about this map so far implies that Windows users are unable to run it (due to crashing), getting these steps would require someone running the game on Linux (possibly 64-bit Linux, specifically) and poking around in the RAM while the game is running, comparing things that are or are not happening with things that should or should not be happening when the game runs normally. And that's waaaay out of my league.Unless I'm mistaken, it would require real hardcore hacking to do that stuff. The only way I can think of to change the map is via world.sav editing, which requires a program that can read .sav's. I've no clue myself as to why they can't pick stuff up. My only guess would be that it came with the bug that made the spire.
Post by: Thoth on July 23, 2010, 05:14:41 am
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/1th0th1/stand_back_square_0.png?t=1279879960)
Post by: Dante on July 23, 2010, 05:22:59 am
Wait, can you designate plant gathering?
Post by: Thoth on July 23, 2010, 06:57:30 am
You should be able to survive via herbalism/farming, then trading food. Doesn't help with the FPS/mining/woodcutting issues, though.Well I've not seen them do it, but as far as i can tell anything which doesn't require a tool works. I had completely neglected to do a farm until you mentioned it, I've managed to make a depot out of the coke, and a dorm room & meeting hall under the ramp/wall/floor spiral, shall see how high I go before I run out of building materials, and I can probably reclaim the mechanic and mason workshop. I have been attacked by a few skeletal and zombie groundhogs, but the dogs seem to have taken care of them with minimal wounds.
Wait, can you designate plant gathering?
Piccie of progress by the spire;
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Post by: Dante on July 23, 2010, 08:19:19 am
Post by: Thoth on July 23, 2010, 08:35:43 am
If you're not averse to cheating, you can always mod the soapmaker/smelter reactions to give you raw building materials.Does that bypass needing to regen the world then? I've got it running on linux 31.11, no change alas, but i really didn't expect it to work suddenly. Well if i can magic some materials i could build a castle, i can fish however, and I've got some bone crafts being made since the zombie / skeletal groundhogs keep getting themselves killed. Can't see any harvestable plants, and the first couple of places i put a farm i don't have any seeds for, I'm hoping due to the weirdness of this map that irrigating a section might help, but if not, I'll have to wait until a caravan turns up and hope the dwarves like sushi.
Oh and in the vm with 2 cores a few gb of ram i'm getting 14-16 whole fps! woo ::)
Post by: Haspen on July 23, 2010, 08:48:10 am
Oh and in the vm with 2 cores a few gb of ram i'm getting 14-16 whole fps! woo ::)
With wrong game graphical settings you can have even 4 cores and it won't help.
Also, Core A = Dwarf Fortress Only, Core B = EVERYTHING Else.
Post by: Aescula on July 23, 2010, 08:54:03 am
Nonsense! The obvious thing to do is to prepare a pumpstack, and KILL THEM WITH OUTER SPACE!Build a staircase all the way up the middle of the monolith and STRIKE THE SKY.Mine out the sky and sell mugs made of air to the elves!
Armok's Loins >_>The Lead of Armok's pencil.The Tower of Armok.Seconded. What should we name the page?The Spine of the World
Lost the quote box for this one:
Yes. To cut down trees, you need a weapon with the [AXE] tag. Hence why training axes destroy trees.
I know. I late-post. I do this constantly. 's why I'm rarely on forums.
Post by: Thoth on July 23, 2010, 09:02:30 am
Well I've got 4 cores, 2 are in use by the vm, and by looking at system monitor it's alternating between the vms core 1 / 2 @ 100%, I'll leave nix to do what it thinks is best, on windows i usually give DF the last 2 cores, then play something turn based on a different one whilst I wait for production orders or ridiculous mega projects to fail miserably. :POh and in the vm with 2 cores a few gb of ram i'm getting 14-16 whole fps! woo ::)
With wrong game graphical settings you can have even 4 cores and it won't help.
Also, Core A = Dwarf Fortress Only, Core B = EVERYTHING Else.
Post by: goffrie on July 23, 2010, 09:07:40 am
Post by: Haspen on July 23, 2010, 09:30:40 am
Well I've got 4 cores, 2 are in use by the vm, and by looking at system monitor it's alternating between the vms core 1 / 2 @ 100%, I'll leave nix to do what it thinks is best, on windows i usually give DF the last 2 cores, then play something turn based on a different one whilst I wait for production orders or ridiculous mega projects to fail miserably. :POh and in the vm with 2 cores a few gb of ram i'm getting 14-16 whole fps! woo ::)
With wrong game graphical settings you can have even 4 cores and it won't help.
Also, Core A = Dwarf Fortress Only, Core B = EVERYTHING Else.
Buuut... DF doesn't support multithreading*? Isn't it making the 'giving few cores to DF' pointless then?
*Unless I haven't noticed something.
Post by: dragnar on July 23, 2010, 09:32:30 am
Post by: Thoth on July 23, 2010, 09:34:38 am
Post by: AltF8 on July 23, 2010, 09:36:27 am
Of course, on the other hand, Armok might just assume his Dwarves will try anyway and will use the site as amusement.
I watch the flailing of Sciencetm to whatever end with the same enthusiasm as the Blood God himself. Forwards and upwards!
Post by: Hokan on July 23, 2010, 12:13:24 pm
Post by: Toast024 on July 23, 2010, 12:17:51 pm
Post by: Shurikane on July 23, 2010, 12:30:18 pm
OK, if my machine wasn't based on an Athlon 3000+, I would so embark on that map, build a fort around the spire and engrave the HELL out of it.
Then I'd turn the place into a thing reminiscent of STALKER and call my faction the Monolith.
Post by: Igfig on July 23, 2010, 12:36:21 pm
What if we set ademantine to melt/boil at a low temp? I wan't to see what happens if it suddenly goes *poof*.Wouldn't work. Stone only boils after you dig it out.
Post by: Xvareon on July 23, 2010, 12:49:19 pm
Post by: slink on July 23, 2010, 12:58:28 pm
Not if you make it ignite like coal 8)Even then you have to dig it out. In 40d I tried making obsidian flammable to see if I could make the world catch fire, and nothing happened.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 23, 2010, 02:08:32 pm
Here at Bay12, we're constantly looking for ways to set the world on fire.Not if you make it ignite like coal 8)Even then you have to dig it out. In 40d I tried making obsidian flammable to see if I could make the world catch fire, and nothing happened.
Post by: Urist McTaverish on July 23, 2010, 02:11:00 pm
Sigged!Here at Bay12, we're constantly looking for ways to set the world on fire.Not if you make it ignite like coal 8)Even then you have to dig it out. In 40d I tried making obsidian flammable to see if I could make the world catch fire, and nothing happened.
Post by: Toast024 on July 23, 2010, 02:19:08 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 23, 2010, 02:22:51 pm
I think that's my second post that's gotten into a signature. :DSigged!Here at Bay12, we're constantly looking for ways to set the world on fire.Not if you make it ignite like coal 8)Even then you have to dig it out. In 40d I tried making obsidian flammable to see if I could make the world catch fire, and nothing happened.
What if we mod dwarfs to fly, and put a burrow on top of the spire. That would be KRAZEH~~~! It would serve no purpose, but it would rock.This. Somebody do this.
Post by: nbonaparte on July 23, 2010, 02:46:58 pm
Post by: expwnent on July 23, 2010, 02:54:09 pm
Here at Bay12, we're constantly looking for ways to set the world on fire.Not if you make it ignite like coal 8)Even then you have to dig it out. In 40d I tried making obsidian flammable to see if I could make the world catch fire, and nothing happened.
I don't want to set the world on fire
Oh wait, I do.
Post by: Xvareon on July 23, 2010, 03:04:14 pm
Post by: The Yellow Peril on July 23, 2010, 03:06:33 pm
Post by: Xvareon on July 23, 2010, 03:14:44 pm
Post by: Scaraban on July 23, 2010, 03:18:57 pm
Does anyone know how much distance a Z-level is, really? Could we assume that the 2212 Z-level spire is 2212 stories tall?theres a huge debate in this very thread ;D read up
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 23, 2010, 03:31:01 pm
There's a debate about the dimensions of a z-level in a lot of threads. There's not much that it isn't relative to.Does anyone know how much distance a Z-level is, really? Could we assume that the 2212 Z-level spire is 2212 stories tall?theres a huge debate in this very thread ;D read up
Post by: Eugenitor on July 23, 2010, 03:47:54 pm
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 23, 2010, 04:01:06 pm
Well, we can determine it from the pathing. If it's the same as an X or Y movement, then it's the same as an X or Y level. Five feet? (Remember, this is *Dwarf* Fortress)I think it's often assumed that a z-level is as tall as a square is wide (if only because cubes look tidy), but the trouble is that we don't know that measurement either.
Post by: RemusShepherd on July 23, 2010, 04:34:49 pm
Loving this thread, BTW. This game has the best failure modes. :)
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 23, 2010, 04:38:39 pm
Long time lurker. I registered just to suggest something. Has anyone tried modding 'pig tail gloves' so that they have the [SKILL:MINING] tag? That might allow dwarves to mine with what they're already wearing."Failure Mode" is when you press "Start Playing".
Loving this thread, BTW. This game has the best failure modes. :)
Also, it's already odd enough to see dwarves mine through stone at these speeds, much less with gloves.
Post by: Toast024 on July 23, 2010, 04:39:30 pm
Post by: Urist McTaverish on July 23, 2010, 04:58:03 pm
Post by: nbonaparte on July 23, 2010, 05:16:16 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 23, 2010, 05:40:51 pm
Post by: Dante on July 23, 2010, 06:29:30 pm
Can dwarves path properly when flying yet? If so, maybe you really could get one up there.
Post by: Alkyon on July 23, 2010, 07:13:06 pm
Post by: dragnar on July 23, 2010, 07:18:04 pm
The smelter reactions wouldn't work because then you would have to regenerate the world to use enable the reactions in the dwarf civ.Not quite. You can change existing reactions without regenning, you just can't add more.
Post by: Funtimes on July 23, 2010, 07:32:05 pm
Post by: Toast024 on July 23, 2010, 07:35:18 pm
Or just change the standard smelter reactions to cheaty ones, as I said.They do
Can dwarves path properly when flying yet? If so, maybe you really could get one up there.
Post by: DaPatman on July 24, 2010, 08:31:46 am
I don't want to set the world on fire
Oh wait, I do.
Sigged.
Post by: KWSN on July 24, 2010, 03:56:31 pm
Post by: Aescula on July 24, 2010, 09:27:07 pm
Technically, you have to change the raws that are in the save game folder. Had to mod foxes that way (I wanted them as pets!)The smelter reactions wouldn't work because then you would have to regenerate the world to use enable the reactions in the dwarf civ.Not quite. You can change existing reactions without regenning, you just can't add more.
Post by: denito on July 24, 2010, 10:17:06 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on July 24, 2010, 10:27:01 pm
Post by: Dante on July 25, 2010, 12:27:35 am
:o They're mining! They're mining! I just had to survive until the second wave of immigrants, which came in mid-Autumn. Now to save-scum before experimenting with what happens if I undermine the adamantine tower.
Oh hells yes.
Have you transferred to 3-11? I noticed when I did with an old save, it fixed all sorts of problems with no militia captains in the noble screen, and pathfinding difficulties, and stuff. Maybe it'll get rid of the excess empty z-levels too!
Post by: denito on July 25, 2010, 01:14:24 am
You should upload the save to dffd. For love of dwarfkind! (not that my computer will run it.)
:D As you asked, so answered: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2804 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2804)
I did upgrade to 31-11. I don't know if that affects whether you can also use this updated save in 31.10.
The will mine, but they still won't cut trees, even after I discovered the real underground cavern. So use your wood wisely (you can deconstruct some of my stuff and rebuild it now with stone to get back some logs). The caravan is very late, not arriving until almost winter, but they do eventually arrive, and a good thing too because supplies will run low. Build some adamantine mechanisms to trade with them - one +Adamantine Mechanism+ is work 22K!
Post by: nbonaparte on July 25, 2010, 01:21:24 am
Post by: denito on July 25, 2010, 01:24:31 am
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Post by: Vertigon on July 25, 2010, 02:26:25 am
I dug down, encountered the caverns and then hit the magma sea. The weird thing? As I breached the magma sea, I breached hell. My magma sea was pouring into hell.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 25, 2010, 07:00:00 am
Mine was sort of bugged. I'm not gonna bother to spoiler this; avert your eyes.That's even more awesome than draining the ocean into Hell.
I dug down, encountered the caverns and then hit the magma sea. The weird thing? As I breached the magma sea, I breached hell. My magma sea was pouring into hell.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 25, 2010, 07:03:17 am
Mine was sort of bugged. I'm not gonna bother to spoiler this; avert your eyes.That's even more awesome than draining the ocean into Hell.
I dug down, encountered the caverns and then hit the magma sea. The weird thing? As I breached the magma sea, I breached hell. My magma sea was pouring into hell.
Of course, this just means you have to drain the ocean into hell as well. But there is no ocean near the spire. Damn.
The Spire reminds me of The Spire from Fable 2, except awesome and a glitch.
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 25, 2010, 08:38:02 am
The Spire reminds me of The Spire from Fable 2, except awesome and a glitch.The Tattered Spire? Yeah, that occurred to me too a while ago.
Pity we don't know how to use it. Unless Denito wished "I wish I could mine here".
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 25, 2010, 08:46:45 am
Pity we don't know how to use it. Unless Denito wished "I wish I could mine here".But then, in the event we're going evidence with .23a, this is just one big mass hallucination and/or demon magic altered tower of galenia. Still cool, but damn if that isn't absurd bait. Really, this would be a great demon plan if it wasn't a glitch. People build up their lives around this giant tower of supermetal, using it and using it untill they mine it down to hell... at which point the stuff that the've been using for everything all turns into useless silver and the demons kill everyone.
Wait. In Fable 2, Lucien had to work thousands of people to death to make The Spire work. Perhaps our Spire will respond to the same treatment. Let the mass dwarven sacrifice begin!
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 25, 2010, 08:57:44 am
Let the mass dwarven sacrifice begin!Begin? When did it end?
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 25, 2010, 09:02:34 am
When we were distracted by the giant fucking pillar of adamantine.Let the mass dwarven sacrifice begin!Begin? When did it end?
Unrelated: I wonder if anyone has enough processing power to survive cutting out a bottom layer of The Spire?
Post by: Christes on July 25, 2010, 10:26:30 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 25, 2010, 10:31:27 am
Post by: tskiller on July 25, 2010, 10:49:19 am
Im at work right now but I have an i7 at home overclocked to 4.0 ghz, but I've gotten it up to 4.5 stable before. I can disable hyperthreading since dwarf fortress doesn't multithread and I should be able to get the frequency even higher.
Never thought a text based game would require me to push my overclocking abilities past what I consider safe :D 8)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 25, 2010, 10:50:35 am
Post by: tskiller on July 25, 2010, 10:51:37 am
Post by: Christes on July 25, 2010, 10:57:42 am
Well, in the event anyone has a supercomputer/can run Crysis, they should try it.
My computer would have no trouble with crysis, but this is too big.
Post by: Randomtask on July 25, 2010, 11:16:31 am
Post by: Toast024 on July 25, 2010, 11:20:15 am
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 25, 2010, 11:22:13 am
The idea that an ASCII-based game can bring most computers to a grinding halt like this is pretty awesome.Seriously. Toady used the least CPU straining option for graphics, the game isn't even out of alpha, and it still produced somthing we cannot overcome with modern computers.
Post by: Christes on July 25, 2010, 11:34:29 am
Did anyone try that thing with the gloves yet?
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*** Error(s) found in the file "data/save/region13/raw/objects/item_gloves.txt"
ITEM_GLOVES_GLOVES:Unrecognized Item Definition (Gloves) Token: SKILL
Post by: FreakyCheeseMan on July 25, 2010, 11:53:49 am
You're thinking this spire is a trap set by demons, or a holy site set by Armok.
What it actually is is Armok's own personal spear, thrown to kill hell.
Sadly it got stuck before it could get all the way, so it's up to dwarves to cause a cave-in to deliver it the final few z-levels.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 25, 2010, 12:04:37 pm
It's quite easy to create something that modern computers can't handle. Forkbombs for one.The idea that an ASCII-based game can bring most computers to a grinding halt like this is pretty awesome.Seriously. Toady used the least CPU straining option for graphics, the game isn't even out of alpha, and it still produced somthing we cannot overcome with modern computers.
Post by: NightmareBros on July 25, 2010, 12:05:32 pm
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Armok's own personal spearoh god someone make a comic of this immeadeatly
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Post by: FreakyCheeseMan on July 25, 2010, 12:07:35 pm
It's quite easy to create something that modern computers can't handle. Forkbombs for one.The idea that an ASCII-based game can bring most computers to a grinding halt like this is pretty awesome.Seriously. Toady used the least CPU straining option for graphics, the game isn't even out of alpha, and it still produced somthing we cannot overcome with modern computers.
Well, yeah, I've done that a few times when I fucked up on programming competitions. But to have a project so epic that, even when programmed *well*, it still overruns modern computers... that's something.
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 25, 2010, 12:11:02 pm
That depends on how you define "well". Well-written forkbomb? Although it is rather difficult to screw up a forkbomb if you're purposely trying to make one.It's quite easy to create something that modern computers can't handle. Forkbombs for one.The idea that an ASCII-based game can bring most computers to a grinding halt like this is pretty awesome.Seriously. Toady used the least CPU straining option for graphics, the game isn't even out of alpha, and it still produced somthing we cannot overcome with modern computers.
Well, yeah, I've done that a few times when I fucked up on programming competitions. But to have a project so epic that, even when programmed *well*, it still overruns modern computers... that's something.
Post by: FreakyCheeseMan on July 25, 2010, 12:16:28 pm
Sorry, I was unclear. I mean it's something to overwork a modern computer when you're a good programmer, and you're not trying to. Obviously a well-written bit of malicious code could do it.That depends on how you define "well". Well-written forkbomb? Although it is rather difficult to screw up a forkbomb if you're purposely trying to make one.It's quite easy to create something that modern computers can't handle. Forkbombs for one.The idea that an ASCII-based game can bring most computers to a grinding halt like this is pretty awesome.Seriously. Toady used the least CPU straining option for graphics, the game isn't even out of alpha, and it still produced somthing we cannot overcome with modern computers.
Well, yeah, I've done that a few times when I fucked up on programming competitions. But to have a project so epic that, even when programmed *well*, it still overruns modern computers... that's something.
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 25, 2010, 12:21:03 pm
See, I originaly meant this about creating such an event within DF, without modding it for that result.Sorry, I was unclear. I mean it's something to overwork a modern computer when you're a good programmer, and you're not trying to. Obviously a well-written bit of malicious code could do it.That depends on how you define "well". Well-written forkbomb? Although it is rather difficult to screw up a forkbomb if you're purposely trying to make one.It's quite easy to create something that modern computers can't handle. Forkbombs for one.The idea that an ASCII-based game can bring most computers to a grinding halt like this is pretty awesome.Seriously. Toady used the least CPU straining option for graphics, the game isn't even out of alpha, and it still produced somthing we cannot overcome with modern computers.
Well, yeah, I've done that a few times when I fucked up on programming competitions. But to have a project so epic that, even when programmed *well*, it still overruns modern computers... that's something.
Post by: Cotes on July 25, 2010, 12:26:01 pm
Not really. Unoptimized alpha versions do that pretty often from what I've gathered, plus you don't really need graphics to overwork CPU, just a huge number of entities it needs to track.That depends on how you define "well". Well-written forkbomb? Although it is rather difficult to screw up a forkbomb if you're purposely trying to make one.It's quite easy to create something that modern computers can't handle. Forkbombs for one.The idea that an ASCII-based game can bring most computers to a grinding halt like this is pretty awesome.Seriously. Toady used the least CPU straining option for graphics, the game isn't even out of alpha, and it still produced somthing we cannot overcome with modern computers.
Well, yeah, I've done that a few times when I fucked up on programming competitions. But to have a project so epic that, even when programmed *well*, it still overruns modern computers... that's something.
Post by: Shrugging Khan on July 25, 2010, 12:29:30 pm
Post by: Christes on July 25, 2010, 12:37:42 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on July 25, 2010, 12:39:42 pm
Post by: ECrownofFire on July 25, 2010, 12:41:17 pm
My programming skills end at html, so enlighten me: What's a forkbomb?It is an infinite loop that starts other infinite loops that start more infinite loops... There's even a way to make them fill up hard drives, by copying files or something similar.
Here's a quick example batch file, if it was named fork.bat. I think this would work anyway.
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:a
start fork
goto a
Post by: Vertigon on July 25, 2010, 01:19:28 pm
Post by: Toast024 on July 25, 2010, 01:44:28 pm
Post by: denito on July 25, 2010, 03:31:46 pm
When we were distracted by the giant fucking pillar of adamantine.Let the mass dwarven sacrifice begin!Begin? When did it end?
Unrelated: I wonder if anyone has enough processing power to survive cutting out a bottom layer of The Spire?
I cut out a bottom layer of the spire. I have a pretty fast computer, and I left it running for over 24 hours waiting for the game to unpause after the epic cave-in - but it never finished.
Post by: denito on July 25, 2010, 03:35:58 pm
Wait, so have we gotten this working yet? I don't have time right now to dig through all 32 pages but from what it sounds like we haven't.
It's working for me. You just have to survive enough seasons, wait it out until you get enough migrants for your population to unlock the underground features. I can mine now but I still can't cut trees, but I requested logs from the liaison.
Post by: Dante on July 25, 2010, 04:17:32 pm
Post by: Christes on July 25, 2010, 04:28:10 pm
Post by: Toast024 on July 25, 2010, 04:33:22 pm
YOU CAN MINE?! Upload your save.Wait, so have we gotten this working yet? I don't have time right now to dig through all 32 pages but from what it sounds like we haven't.
It's working for me. You just have to survive enough seasons, wait it out until you get enough migrants for your population to unlock the underground features. I can mine now but I still can't cut trees, but I requested logs from the liaison.
Post by: FreakyCheeseMan on July 25, 2010, 04:37:55 pm
Post by: Toast024 on July 25, 2010, 05:05:19 pm
EDIT
Yes it is, but instead of being adamantium, the entire first cavern level is in mid air.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2820
SAVE FILE
EDIT 2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO
Embarking crashed DF
EDIT 3: SNAKE EATER
500TH REPLY! OH YEA THIS IS HAPPENIN!
Post by: numerobis on July 25, 2010, 05:22:51 pm
YOU CAN MINE?! Upload your save.Look up a couple pages.
Post by: breadbocks on July 25, 2010, 11:32:24 pm
Does anyone know how much distance a Z-level is, really? Could we assume that the 2212 Z-level spire is 2212 stories tall?See Urist's Law of Relativity a few pages back.
Post by: Beeskee on July 26, 2010, 01:23:28 am
Post by: cbpye on July 26, 2010, 07:19:43 am
Post by: Quantum Toast on July 26, 2010, 08:19:04 am
Reality's twisted around this thing like spaghetti round a fork. Not even DF knows what happens when you destroy it.When we were distracted by the giant fucking pillar of adamantine.Let the mass dwarven sacrifice begin!Begin? When did it end?
Unrelated: I wonder if anyone has enough processing power to survive cutting out a bottom layer of The Spire?
I cut out a bottom layer of the spire. I have a pretty fast computer, and I left it running for over 24 hours waiting for the game to unpause after the epic cave-in - but it never finished.
Hell, maybe the spire is time itself, and the reason nothing's happening after you break it is because nothing can happen anymore.
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Which would explain why nobody posted in this topic for a week and a half...
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 11:27:54 am
Downloading .12 .11 and .10 for good measure now
(Snow leopard)
First Try: Params on .12
Report 1:...ooh this guy is slow to tire and likes steel, bolts and breastplates :D... but no spire :(
2nd Try: OP's save on .12
No mining, but WOO 13 FPS! Take that everyone else! :P
Demons suddenly disappear at level 90-200, no longer on unit screen.
3rd Try: Migrant-ified save on .12
Post by: McDwarf on August 05, 2010, 11:55:25 am
Generating with seed resulted in no spire.
The uploaded save 'worked' with spire, if you accept dwarves not digging or killing trees working.
I did not try allowing years to pass to see if migrants would inspire dwarves to start digging.
Post by: Encased in burning magma on August 05, 2010, 12:42:32 pm
Well-written forkbomb?
while(1)
fork();
I really don't see how to do that better.
edit: hmmm... maybe pthreads would be faster...
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 02:04:28 pm
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:(){ :|:& };:Enter that on unix. You know you want to.Also, new update
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 03:05:16 pm
Post by: DFPongo on August 05, 2010, 03:59:48 pm
Post by: Encased in burning magma on August 05, 2010, 04:07:26 pm
Fee Fi Fo Fum
*«+ Adamantine Bean seed bag+»*
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 05, 2010, 04:12:59 pm
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 05:53:18 pm
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 06:20:24 pm
Lv 49
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/459/screenshot20100805at409.png) (http://img818.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20100805at409.png/)
Lv 48
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/459/screenshot20100805at409.png) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20100805at409.png/)
Lv 47
(http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/459/screenshot20100805at409.png) (http://img815.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20100805at409.png/)
I notice that 48 is the first level to have no "open space" just floor and undiscovered. I also notice that the only overlapping tiles are "Open space" on the level below. Lastly, 49 has nothing but undiscovered, as do the levels above it.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 05, 2010, 06:25:56 pm
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 06:37:00 pm
Incidentally, if you define it as "The topmost value of nothing" then Maximum Zero must actually be Negative Infinity! Just, by the way. :P
Post by: MaximumZero on August 05, 2010, 06:38:28 pm
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 06:39:52 pm
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 06:43:21 pm
Update: All the demons except four salt ghosts have disappeared. Said ghosts are just sitting on level -5, not moving.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 05, 2010, 06:58:52 pm
Interesting... The space is marked "Inside dark subterranean" but it wants above-ground seeds.
Okay, see, now that's interesting. Also, WTF!?
Incidentally, if you define it as "The topmost value of nothing" then Maximum Zero must actually be Negative Infinity! Just, by the way. :P
The mathematical maximum value for zero is actually .49999repeating. (As far as I'm aware. Math majors are free to flame me.) Numbers .5 and above round to 1. Basically, my name is rule of cool.
Post by: MaximumZero on August 05, 2010, 07:00:06 pm
Its bugged on this version. That or my other fortressed is re-bugged.
Are you farming below ground crops on the surface? I don't seem to understand the situation.
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 07:05:31 pm
Thats Maximum (round(x)=0)Incidentally, if you define it as "The topmost value of nothing" then Maximum Zero must actually be Negative Infinity! Just, by the way. :P
The mathematical maximum value for zero is actually .49999repeating. (As far as I'm aware. Math majors are free to flame me.) Numbers .5 and above round to 1. Basically, my name is rule of cool.
Being the maximum value of no set means that for every set of numbers, there is at least one number greater than it. So, actually, I was wrong. It's not Negative Infinity. Its -(1/0), because 1/0 is greater than every number, including infinity. :P :P :P
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 07:06:44 pm
The shadow of the adamantine pillar provides "Inside dark subterranean" spaces because there was (and is) ground above them on embark.Its bugged on this version. That or my other fortressed is re-bugged.
Are you farming below ground crops on the surface? I don't seem to understand the situation.
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 07:36:13 pm
Post by: Solace on August 05, 2010, 07:38:32 pm
1/0 is greater than every number, including infinity. :P :P :PActually 1/0 is infinity, which is also not a number. :P
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 07:47:16 pm
The real question here is: What is infinity times zero?1/0 is greater than every number, including infinity. :P :P :PActually 1/0 is infinity, which is also not a number. :P
Post by: ECrownofFire on August 05, 2010, 07:53:05 pm
1/0 is undefined, unless you use some weird alternate mathematical model. But with a normal number line, it's undefined.1/0 is greater than every number, including infinity. :P :P :PActually 1/0 is infinity, which is also not a number. :P
Post by: Dermonster on August 05, 2010, 07:56:53 pm
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"Can you tell me what's eight, times four, divided by zero?"
"lim epsilon approaching zero plus of eight times four divided by epsilon... 10:47AM on Sunday."
THERE IS NO RELEVANCE.
Post by: Saposhiente on August 05, 2010, 08:01:10 pm
Seed on .12 = No spire
Savegame on .12 = Previously observed behavior with dwarves refusing to pickup equipment. Other observations:
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That depends on your definition of infinity times zero. If it's zero, 1/0 is undefined (but greater than infinity). If it's any number (= 0/0) then x/0 = infinity for x > 01/0 is undefined, unless you use some weird alternate mathematical model. But with a normal number line, it's undefined.1/0 is greater than every number, including infinity. :P :P :PActually 1/0 is infinity, which is also not a number. :P
Post by: Dante on August 06, 2010, 12:47:09 am
In the new version, all creatures disappear from the units screen if they also disappear into unexplored areas on the map. It seems more likely to me that this is what is happening. And in a file so glitched, it could even have bits of the map recorded as being unexplored even if you can see the tiles.
And even more likely if they're all disappearing at exactly the same point.
Post by: denito on August 06, 2010, 01:27:01 am
I believe the game thinks that the level where that is at is magma sea, because magma is coming in at the sides, but falls into the abyss immediately. I'm in the process of creating a "sprinkler system" over the edge of the magma sea, to hopefully create an obsidian wall to keep the magma in check so it will neither fall into the abyss nor flood the slade level. I'm hoping when that is completed that stopping the magma flow will give me a few extra FPS.
Post by: melomel on August 06, 2010, 05:16:51 am
Downloaded and lovingly archived for the day I replace my dino PC.
Post by: abadidea on August 06, 2010, 07:37:17 pm
But I just came DANG close to oopsing and invoking the OOM killer. I run without swap because "who needs swap with this much RAM anyways" ;D
Edit: Oooops. Protip: completely close out of DF each time you save the Spire. The memory usage ballooons
Post by: Kaelem Gaen on August 12, 2010, 05:32:20 am
insane.
(TV tropes linked me, TV tropes you bastards)
Post by: necrodoom on August 12, 2010, 06:42:10 am
Post by: Porpoisepower on August 12, 2010, 07:37:25 am
Post by: MaximumZero on August 12, 2010, 07:50:45 am
On topic: Still can't run the spire. This makes me sad.
Post by: breadbocks on August 12, 2010, 05:17:21 pm
The real real question is: What is infinity divided by zero RUMBLERUMBLE..... POINT FIVE OH GOD, POINT FIVE!The real question here is: What is infinity times zero?1/0 is greater than every number, including infinity. :P :P :PActually 1/0 is infinity, which is also not a number. :P
Post by: Quantum Toast on August 12, 2010, 07:35:34 pm
Forty-two.The real real question is: What is infinity divided by zero RUMBLERUMBLE..... POINT FIVE OH GOD, POINT FIVE!The real question here is: What is infinity times zero?1/0 is greater than every number, including infinity. :P :P :PActually 1/0 is infinity, which is also not a number. :P
Post by: Jacob/Lee on August 12, 2010, 08:42:03 pm
Urist Mcexpedition leader: Men, we're gonna be legends.
Post by: Ralith on August 15, 2010, 12:45:35 pm
Post by: sjaakwortel on August 15, 2010, 02:01:52 pm
Post by: sockless on August 16, 2010, 01:36:29 am
Post by: Simmura McCrea on August 16, 2010, 05:23:15 am
time to have fun with -1^1/2, its like math classi. It's not that hard a question.
Post by: sjaakwortel on August 16, 2010, 11:57:44 am
Post by: nbonaparte on August 16, 2010, 11:59:24 am
time to have fun with -1^1/2, its like math classoddly, all the results below the calculation on google are porn.
Post by: breadbocks on August 16, 2010, 12:23:58 pm
Damn, your right. WTF?time to have fun with -1^1/2, its like math classoddly, all the results below the calculation on google are porn.
Post by: Toast024 on August 16, 2010, 12:40:35 pm
Post by: Antsan on August 16, 2010, 01:07:00 pm
This is not true, 1/epsilon (where epsilon is one number that is smaller than all positive reals and bigger than zero) is infinity and 1/0 is still undefined. For further explanation, look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_Numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_Numbers)1/0 is greater than every number, including infinity. :P :P :PActually 1/0 is infinity, which is also not a number. :P
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 16, 2010, 01:23:30 pm
Actually, result #2 is:Damn, your right. WTF?time to have fun with -1^1/2, its like math classoddly, all the results below the calculation on google are porn.
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Post by: breadbocks on August 16, 2010, 02:02:47 pm
You search in images, and (with moderate SafeSearch) this is what you get. With SafeSearch off, you get real hc porn. o.o I wonder how much would be jailbait......Actually, result #2 is:Damn, your right. WTF?time to have fun with -1^1/2, its like math classoddly, all the results below the calculation on google are porn.
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Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 16, 2010, 03:58:34 pm
But that's irrelevant. What matters is
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Post by: iceball3 on August 16, 2010, 04:41:08 pm
funny, i always thought the most was this:Forty-two.The real real question is: What is infinity divided by zero RUMBLERUMBLE..... POINT FIVE OH GOD, POINT FIVE!The real question here is: What is infinity times zero?1/0 is greater than every number, including infinity. :P :P :PActually 1/0 is infinity, which is also not a number. :P
0.0(repeating)9(repeating)
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on August 16, 2010, 04:46:49 pm
EDIT: Wee! Orwellian editing!
Post by: nbonaparte on August 16, 2010, 04:53:33 pm
Post by: breadbocks on August 16, 2010, 05:24:26 pm
On that topic, typing in thread derail in to images gives this.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: MaDeR Levap on August 16, 2010, 05:37:48 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on August 17, 2010, 01:15:59 am
Post by: Dermonster on August 17, 2010, 01:34:25 am
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Post by: cbpye on August 17, 2010, 01:51:11 am
My dwarves would dig a little, then stop, then I'd have to do something, then they'd dig a little, then stop. All at 15 FPS. Couldn't bear to play like that. :( Still have the save file.
Post by: Toast024 on August 17, 2010, 10:17:07 am
Post by: breadbocks on August 17, 2010, 06:49:45 pm
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Post by: Galick on August 17, 2010, 08:49:51 pm
The dwarfs don't have their speed explicitly declard in the raws (if I remember corrently), so you have to manually add in a tag for speed to the dwarf entry. Just stick it somewhere near the top, to avoid it getting lumped up in the caste tags.Yeah, but doesn't that require rebooting the whole game? As in, no more God Whisker plunged into the ground to kill HFS?
Post by: Dante on August 17, 2010, 08:57:30 pm
Post by: nbonaparte on August 17, 2010, 09:24:33 pm
put it in the save raws.The dwarfs don't have their speed explicitly declard in the raws (if I remember corrently), so you have to manually add in a tag for speed to the dwarf entry. Just stick it somewhere near the top, to avoid it getting lumped up in the caste tags.Yeah, but doesn't that require rebooting the whole game? As in, no more God Whisker plunged into the ground to kill HFS?
Post by: carebear on August 18, 2010, 05:34:40 pm
Long time lurker, signed up just to post this. :o
Hopefully it's stitched to your standards, gentlemen.
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Daaaamn.
Post by: Beeskee on August 18, 2010, 07:51:40 pm
Edit: This is the only link I've found other than the ones on the front page. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2804 - Is this it?
Post by: Untelligent on August 18, 2010, 08:06:16 pm
From the ground looking up:
http://i.imgur.com/mlno8.png
From the top looking down:
http://i.imgur.com/c1B2s.png
Post by: Galick on August 18, 2010, 08:09:47 pm
From the ground looking up:
http://i.imgur.com/mlno8.png
My god that is incredible. No wonder the dwarves don't like working with this thing. I would stare at it for eternity too.
Post by: Devonus on August 22, 2010, 03:28:58 am
Still, i feel as giddy as a teenager about to lose his virginity.... honestly i think i may even be giddier
Post by: Shurikane on September 01, 2010, 11:55:27 am
Protip: if you try to tackle on that fort, make sure you have a killer CPU. Otherwise you'll hit barely 4 with your starting dorfs.
Post by: Urist McIsaac on September 01, 2010, 12:32:55 pm
Post by: Gearheart on September 01, 2010, 01:25:29 pm
You can see why I'm suspect, since this is like a 1:1000000 occurance as it is. Besides, not being able to embark on it wouldn't stop you from copying the save, right?
Post by: Dariush on September 01, 2010, 01:38:16 pm
Post by: lordnincompoop on September 01, 2010, 01:48:55 pm
omg, i just started DF not that long ago, and i fel head over heals, i stumbled upon the wiki article and thought it was just a bug/gimmick from DF's past, imagine my surprise when i find this article, now impose further surprise when i get to the point where the save works.... now imagine my dissapoint when my stupid computer dies 3 seconds after embark (i wasn't quick enough on the pause button)That is one long sentence.
Still, i feel as giddy as a teenager about to lose his virginity.... honestly i think i may even be giddier
Post by: ECrownofFire on September 01, 2010, 02:58:54 pm
i just embarked to a place with almost 3000 z level of admantine :O it was glorious! unfortunately the gods of FPS forbid me from such a marvelous adamantine tower to heaven. :CDid you really find another spire? Or are you just talking about the same one?
Post by: Urist McIsaac on September 01, 2010, 03:43:30 pm
Post by: Devonus on September 01, 2010, 05:04:18 pm
Yeah thats what happens when your drunk one evening and stumble upon armocks Pecker in the forums.
Post by: Urist McIsaac on September 02, 2010, 12:18:18 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
My Spire! I found it, I remembered to reclaim! Oh the glory and the FPS terror. Sorry about the crappy screen shots, if you want more just ask. I'm never going to destroy this world.
Post by: Flaede on September 02, 2010, 12:26:39 pm
Post by: m1k3y4e7 on September 02, 2010, 01:02:03 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
My Spire! I found it, I remembered to reclaim! Oh the glory and the FPS terror. Sorry about the crappy screen shots, if you want more just ask. I'm never going to destroy this world.
Can you mine!?! if so, post the save now please, I must accept Armok's divine challenge to cave it in to make a mountain instead of a great needle, then to make a fort in this mountain. maybe even a gigantic temple.
Post by: claer_runway on September 02, 2010, 01:11:14 pm
Post by: Urist McIsaac on September 02, 2010, 01:58:19 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
My Spire! I found it, I remembered to reclaim! Oh the glory and the FPS terror. Sorry about the crappy screen shots, if you want more just ask. I'm never going to destroy this world.
Can you mine!?! if so, post the save now please, I must accept Armok's divine challenge to cave it in to make a mountain instead of a great needle, then to make a fort in this mountain. maybe even a gigantic temple.
no i cant mine, as soon as i unpause my FPS drops like a rock. How does one post a save file? i'll try the other embark thing though.
Post by: Urist McIsaac on September 02, 2010, 02:10:58 pm
yopu know, i think the only reason that the spire is only 2000-odd levels high rather than infinity is because it goes off the side of the map. someone should abandon then embark right next to the previous embark
I tried embarking next to my spire ,first time crashed DF, second time i got a world of magma and deep caverns with super FPS. I think i'll need a super computer.
Post by: Toast024 on September 02, 2010, 02:33:35 pm
http://dffd.wimbli.com/
Post by: atomfullerene on September 03, 2010, 12:26:43 am
Post by: Flaede on September 03, 2010, 12:58:22 am
all Adamantine and cold
And she's carving a stairway to heaven
When she gets there she knows
It's Economy:NO
With no coins she'll still get royal bedrooms
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
And she's carving a stairway to heaven
Post by: MaximumZero on September 03, 2010, 09:26:38 pm
Post by: breadbocks on September 03, 2010, 10:07:56 pm
There's a (d)-(s)mooth on the wall
But she wants to cave more
'Cause you know sometimes pipes have
Some wholes in them
On a pick by the brook
There's a wambler who sings
Sometimes all of our walls are
Undiggable
Ooh, it's Armok's wonder
Ooh, it's Armok's wonder
Post by: Shade-o on September 03, 2010, 10:42:08 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So, is it a coincidence or not that the screenshot is implying that we are seeing a cross-section of it from about 40,000km above the surface?
Post by: breadbocks on September 03, 2010, 10:48:55 pm
Post by: Xenos on September 03, 2010, 10:49:12 pm
Post by: MaximumZero on September 04, 2010, 09:16:41 am
ROFLMAO. That is all.
Indeed.
Post by: jei on September 06, 2010, 11:31:48 am
The religious experience of them standing in sight of Armok's Adamantine Spine turned them to elvish morals now?
It looks like a spine to me...
Waiting and getting enough dorfs fixed the digging problem, but what could be causing the wood cutting problem?
Why would dorfs normally stop cutting any wood?
Post by: Gearheart on September 06, 2010, 11:33:34 am
Post by: denito on September 06, 2010, 11:50:54 am
Anyone figure out why the dorfs won't cut any wood in this save?
The religious experience of them standing in sight of Armok's Adamantine Spine turned them to elvish morals now?
It looks like a spine to me...
Waiting and getting enough dorfs fixed the digging problem, but what could be causing the wood cutting problem?
Why would dorfs normally stop cutting any wood?
You have to get enough dwarves to be over the population cap to mine. Either that also unlocks wood cutting, or you have to "discover" the caverns after that (because the game thinks the topside is also underground). I can't remember whether my dwarves started chopping wood after mining was unlocked or not.
Edit: NVM I thought we were still talking about the first spire. Might apply to the new one too.
Post by: jei on September 06, 2010, 12:25:55 pm
Edit: NVM I thought we were still talking about the first spire. Might apply to the new one too.
What second spire? I was talking about the savegame of the first spire that had been played to the point where pop cap had been breached to enable digging.
I'll try digging to the caves and hell to enable tree cutting, though, but I'd think it weird if it was the reason.
And the first cave penetration doesn't seem to have helped. I'll dig deeper. Also only one of the dorfs ever seems to pick up the pick, despite several free miners and picks lying about..
Also if there's a second adamantine spire savegame with different area, where is it? I want it now!
Post by: breadbocks on September 06, 2010, 05:04:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
My Spire! I found it, I remembered to reclaim! Oh the glory and the FPS terror. Sorry about the crappy screen shots, if you want more just ask. I'm never going to destroy this world.
Post by: Bauglir on September 06, 2010, 07:29:10 pm
Post by: Medicine Man on September 06, 2010, 07:34:22 pm
Post by: Toast024 on September 06, 2010, 08:04:23 pm
Post by: krenshala on September 07, 2010, 01:25:36 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 07, 2010, 07:09:50 am
Post by: Quantum Toast on September 07, 2010, 01:48:59 pm
I wonder what happens if you make it collapse?Experiments indicate that time ends.
Post by: Shadetree on October 02, 2010, 05:18:39 pm
either my laptop will melt or it will complete at some point.
Post by: Xenos on October 02, 2010, 05:20:58 pm
Using .14 I'm up to hour 12 of collapse calculations pinging 100% on a dedicated core.
either my laptop will melt or it will complete at some point.
You, are my hero. The question is, will it vaporize all that adamantine, or will it be "insta mined"
Post by: Shadetree on October 02, 2010, 05:25:50 pm
Though since the whole map is buggy who knows. I swear a piece of addy I mined out turned into a different type of stone at one point.
Post by: Xenos on October 02, 2010, 05:28:40 pm
Post by: Untelligent on October 02, 2010, 05:44:04 pm
Post by: iceball3 on October 02, 2010, 05:47:22 pm
Code: [Select]
HHH
OHO
OHOif H was a wall then digging away the tile beneath the bottom one would make it do this..Code: [Select]
OHO
OHO
HHH
Post by: Xenos on October 02, 2010, 05:57:52 pm
Post by: slothen on October 02, 2010, 06:36:31 pm
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on October 02, 2010, 06:38:34 pm
Post by: Shadetree on October 03, 2010, 05:49:46 pm
I do have the save where all you have to do is pull out a single support to make it drop if anyone else has a beefier core they want to put it one.
Post by: Galick on October 11, 2010, 07:06:18 pm
Do we have any new information at all?
And please for the love of all that's holy someone get that save and collapse the hell out of this thing.
My computer has a seizure when I try to run a normal fort, let alone this monstrosity otherwise I'd try it myself.
Post by: LealNightrunner on October 11, 2010, 07:21:16 pm
Guys it's been EIGHT DAYS since anyone posted.
Do we have any new information at all?
And please for the love of all that's holy someone get that save and collapse the hell out of this thing.
My computer has a seizure when I try to run a normal fort, let alone this monstrosity otherwise I'd try it myself.
There was another one like this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=67846.0), except it basically rains magma all over the world in addition to having 210k adamantine. I'm trying to crunch it to something usable but I don't think it will work.
Post by: Arkenstone on November 04, 2010, 07:25:50 pm
Using .14 I'm up to hour 12 of collapse calculations pinging 100% on a dedicated core.So, has it stopped collapsing after a month of processing?
either my laptop will melt or it will complete at some point.
Post by: vadia on November 17, 2010, 09:06:41 pm
If not see this thread: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=70942.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=70942.0)
Post by: furlion on November 17, 2010, 10:15:01 pm
All praise to Armok!
Post by: nbonaparte on November 17, 2010, 10:43:17 pm
Post by: furlion on November 17, 2010, 10:49:55 pm
Post by: nbonaparte on November 17, 2010, 10:50:59 pm
Post by: vadia on November 17, 2010, 11:08:00 pm
I am going to toss this out there as an idea. I actually do have access to a super computer. Specifically the 88th fastest super computer (well its a cluster technically) in the world. Now the problem is, I don't have administrator rights, and it uses a version of Linux called CentOS. Now I have some experience with linux, and in using bash in general. The problem is that I don't know if there is any way to get the Linux version of DF to run. If anyone is willing to lend me a hand trying to get it setup, I could devote some time to getting this thing to run and see if I can collapse it. Just a thought.collapse it? you mean the spire? nope, if it's like son of there are demons inside.
All praise to Armok!
Post by: furlion on November 17, 2010, 11:09:08 pm
Post by: vadia on November 17, 2010, 11:11:39 pm
Enjoy a (semi)-playable spire. The dwarves move at about 1 step per second. Not bad for 1245 z levels spire.
Post by: Shurikane on November 18, 2010, 01:53:12 am
My computer has a seizure when I try to run a normal fort, let alone this monstrosity otherwise I'd try it myself.
...Which is exactly why nobody else attempts to collapse it.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on November 18, 2010, 08:37:30 am
Post by: Shurikane on November 18, 2010, 11:16:47 am
Why don't you try it, O Creator Of The Cubical Project?
Recognition! At last! :D
Anyway, on a serious note: Project Cube slowed down after the moment where I could leave the game on cruise control for extended periods of time. I'd done all my main workshops, basic architecture and secured a good buffer of food and drinks.
With the spire, just starting the game sets me off at 6 FPS reported but the game stutters like an old Betamax film. I can barely get anything done at even a basic level without waiting several minutes, no matter which computer I use to run the thing. In short, it's just not worth the trouble at the moment. Not unless I can lay my lands on a million dollars and a nitrogen-powered CPU.
Post by: Maklak on November 30, 2010, 04:50:00 pm
Code: [Select]:(){ :|:& };:Enter that on unix. You know you want to.
Yeah, I did something like that once on a campus server, when I was a student. It turned out, this thing spawned like 400 shells, and boged down the email system below usability. Oh, and I couldn't kill it, because kill needs a process to run. Logging out to relog didn't help either :). It got me admiration / complains of my peers and an email from admin :D. It was fun, while also being somewhat scary. They didn't punish me, tough.
As for the spire: Wow, that thing is weird. I don't think Toady will do anything about it, or even comment it. This seems like a one-time glitch, seeing how people were unable to reproduce it from the seed. What would he have to say about it anyway?
Post by: Acperience on November 30, 2010, 06:39:39 pm
Code: [Select]:(){ :|:& };:Enter that on unix. You know you want to.
Yeah, I did something like that once on a campus server, when I was a student. It turned out, this thing spawned like 400 shells, and boged down the email system below usability. Oh, and I couldn't kill it, because kill needs a process to run. Logging out to relog didn't help either :). It got me admiration / complains of my peers and an email from admin :D. It was fun, while also being somewhat scary. They didn't punish me, tough.
As for the spire: Wow, that thing is weird. I don't think Toady will do anything about it, or even comment it. This seems like a one-time glitch, seeing how people were unable to reproduce it from the seed. What would he have to say about it anyway?
Just as planned.
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1700/ikari50364211.jpg)
Post by: breadbocks on November 30, 2010, 08:42:15 pm
Yup. That is a basic fork virus, there.Code: [Select]:(){ :|:& };:Enter that on unix. You know you want to.
Yeah, I did something like that once on a campus server, when I was a student. It turned out, this thing spawned like 400 shells, and boged down the email system below usability. Oh, and I couldn't kill it, because kill needs a process to run. Logging out to relog didn't help either :). It got me admiration / complains of my peers and an email from admin :D. It was fun, while also being somewhat scary. They didn't punish me, tough.
As for the spire: Wow, that thing is weird. I don't think Toady will do anything about it, or even comment it. This seems like a one-time glitch, seeing how people were unable to reproduce it from the seed. What would he have to say about it anyway?
Post by: Saposhiente on December 01, 2010, 12:18:12 am
- Original Save: Spoiler (click to show/hide)
- This was not reproducible from seed.
- Image Export Size: Top of map is 29000-ish, Top of spire is 2213, Level 139 is ground, Level 0 is hell, pits go down to -30 (Normal map went from 156 to 76)
- Total number of all minerals: Spoiler (click to show/hide)
- Pics of spire:
*snip*(follow the quote link)
- Initially not minable, however people become willing to mine (but not chop down trees) after two migrant waves.
- Mine-able save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2804 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2804)
- My SCIENCEtm: I carved a fortification into the spire, releasing screams from below:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ygdrad on January 08, 2011, 02:27:22 am
As the last square was channeled, the game froze despite having been able to run it at 15-30fps just before :(. I think the world ended at that point.
Post by: LilGunmanX on January 08, 2011, 11:08:28 am
Yeah... Crashes...wow, so wait this spire goes so high that it actully makes a loop around the map and comes out from the bottom of the map?!?!
1.3 GB of RAM usage... :o
Congrats, OP! By the power of the Linux penguin, you somehow managed to worldgen the planet Armok, similar in makeup to the planet Saturn. The planet's ring is so massive that it actually blocks all sunlight, killing the land around it. Your dwaves refuse to mine altogether, fearing that their picks will be used to defile the holy ring.
Post by: Scaraban on January 09, 2011, 02:13:10 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 09, 2011, 09:24:07 am
It is the original spire.
Post by: Qinetix on January 09, 2011, 10:10:33 am
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on January 09, 2011, 10:12:17 am
Post by: Flaede on January 09, 2011, 12:14:12 pm
Make it into a trap, have it collapse on the heads of enemies. That way, they can be honored by having such a structure collapse on them... all 2212 z-levels of it. If only it was slade held up by some other material, since then it would be heavy enough to continue down the rest of the world, break into HFS, and go on...
I do not want a trap that when triggered ends the world any more than I want a flyswatter that would kill the fly by crushing my neighborhood.
Post by: ECrownofFire on January 09, 2011, 03:36:35 pm
Which is to say that you want it very much.Make it into a trap, have it collapse on the heads of enemies. That way, they can be honored by having such a structure collapse on them... all 2212 z-levels of it. If only it was slade held up by some other material, since then it would be heavy enough to continue down the rest of the world, break into HFS, and go on...
I do not want a trap that when triggered ends the world any more than I want a flyswatter that would kill the fly by crushing my neighborhood.
Post by: Scaraban on January 09, 2011, 05:00:12 pm
you're no dwarf...Make it into a trap, have it collapse on the heads of enemies. That way, they can be honored by having such a structure collapse on them... all 2212 z-levels of it. If only it was slade held up by some other material, since then it would be heavy enough to continue down the rest of the world, break into HFS, and go on...
I do not want a trap that when triggered ends the world any more than I want a flyswatter that would kill the fly by crushing my neighborhood.
Post by: iceball3 on January 09, 2011, 05:02:34 pm
Or he is very dwarfy. It depends if he wants the Total Local Structural, Terrain, And Fly Destroyer... (TLSAFD)you're no dwarf...Make it into a trap, have it collapse on the heads of enemies. That way, they can be honored by having such a structure collapse on them... all 2212 z-levels of it. If only it was slade held up by some other material, since then it would be heavy enough to continue down the rest of the world, break into HFS, and go on...
I do not want a trap that when triggered ends the world any more than I want a flyswatter that would kill the fly by crushing my neighborhood.
Post by: Flaede on January 16, 2011, 11:03:06 pm
Or he is very dwarfy. It depends if he wants the Total Local Structural, Terrain, And Fly Destroyer... (TLSAFD)you're no dwarf...Make it into a trap, have it collapse on the heads of enemies. That way, they can be honored by having such a structure collapse on them... all 2212 z-levels of it. If only it was slade held up by some other material, since then it would be heavy enough to continue down the rest of the world, break into HFS, and go on...
I do not want a trap that when triggered ends the world any more than I want a flyswatter that would kill the fly by crushing my neighborhood.
Give me a swatter long enough, and a place to stand, and I will crush the world?
Naw, it's more I want to enjoy the ensuing destruction. Can't do that while Swatted.
Post by: Quantum Toast on January 24, 2011, 01:52:28 pm
Judging from attempts so far, it's more like a flyswatter that kills the fly by destroying Time itself.Make it into a trap, have it collapse on the heads of enemies. That way, they can be honored by having such a structure collapse on them... all 2212 z-levels of it. If only it was slade held up by some other material, since then it would be heavy enough to continue down the rest of the world, break into HFS, and go on...
I do not want a trap that when triggered ends the world any more than I want a flyswatter that would kill the fly by crushing my neighborhood.
Post by: Waladil on February 20, 2011, 05:39:36 am
It's adamantine all the way down.
Post by: Supercharazad on February 20, 2011, 06:08:34 am
I just realized what this implies!!!!
It's adamantine all the way down.
Well NAW.
Post by: Flaede on February 20, 2011, 06:09:00 am
Post by: Nightwind on March 07, 2011, 12:05:53 am
Post by: krenshala on March 07, 2011, 12:15:09 am
I just have to say, seeing this linked from TVtropes has me playing again.You left out the link back to TVtropes to suck more people in. :D
Post by: Christes on March 07, 2011, 12:19:12 am
Here it is (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Community/DwarfFortress)
Post by: flieroflight on March 07, 2011, 03:11:14 am
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=67846.75 page with pictures in visualisers is here
Post by: MarcAFK on March 07, 2011, 07:51:48 am
Post by: Twisted Mansions on March 07, 2011, 08:05:19 am
Post by: Scaraban on March 07, 2011, 12:09:51 pm
3 spires actually except not as high, but, it's totally PLAYABLE! at least when you clear out the magma using dfliquids..that is always a bad idea, unless you like !!Starting Seven!!
Post by: Boes on March 07, 2011, 09:32:12 pm
In this case it is unplayable due to the magma sea and hell being generated on top of each other.
I tried to use dfliquids to clear the lava from hell however, it drained my volcano as well in the process..
I am uploading the save to dffd if anybody wants it..
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3922 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3922)
Post by: MightyJAK on April 22, 2011, 09:31:19 am
Theory:
I'm guessing there was a large section of the map with full cavern openness and no passage density (kinda like this: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/File:Open100Density00.jpg (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/File:Open100Density00.jpg)) in all 3 cavern levels. Without enough natural rock pillars (and adamant spires) to hold it up, the weight of the surface caused it to crash through the empty caverns leaving the adamant spire as the only remnant of the caverns. Or maybe the magma sea in that area drained away for some reason, IDK.
Post by: Tlc2011 on June 07, 2011, 07:07:46 pm
Post by: Ig88 on June 10, 2011, 11:42:55 am
Post by: hjd_uk on June 10, 2011, 02:55:32 pm
You found a relic of the Ancients, they called it a Spaece E'leva-tor. Climb it and reach the heavens, then dig a stairwell down, down down...
You know what must be done:
(http://www.seattle.net/media/space_needle.JPG)
Post by: ArmokGoB on July 12, 2011, 05:44:20 pm
IT' ADAMANTINE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKY!!! :o
Post by: DrCoconut on July 28, 2011, 02:21:49 pm
Screen shots!
http://tinypic.com/r/2dv6ipu/7 (http://tinypic.com/r/2dv6ipu/7)
Post by: Nil Eyeglazed on July 28, 2011, 04:46:47 pm
Hi, im able to get it running on winblows decently fine, i dont have the fps count because i more or less booted up df on a whim when a friend mentioned it crashed most computers and there hasent been a single windows one running it yet.
Screen shots!
http://tinypic.com/r/2dv6ipu/7 (http://tinypic.com/r/2dv6ipu/7)
Can't help but notice that you haven't actually dug or built anything. There were a few that managed to get it to run a little bit, but at godawful fps, and without any designations (trees, mining) working.
Post by: DrCoconut on July 29, 2011, 02:16:28 am
Post by: NinjaBoot on February 09, 2012, 03:28:12 am
Ps. Where's that save-file again?
Post by: Eric Blank on February 09, 2012, 03:31:50 am
Of course I can't find any of them right now. Damnit.
Post by: Wannazzaki on February 09, 2012, 03:46:23 am
Post by: Eric Blank on February 09, 2012, 01:25:48 pm
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 09, 2012, 02:11:37 pm
Do ismellhear necromancy?
Nope, just the sound of a glacier bumping into a boulder made out of volatile explosives.
Post by: Auto Slaughter on February 09, 2012, 04:02:41 pm
Post by: Dez on February 22, 2012, 08:47:50 pm
I started my initial dig with plan number one being building a bridge to get over the river to that adamantine. I was getting <5fps, so I tried toggling some options and restarting for about 30 minutes to no avail. I generated a new world and embarked. FPS was all right in that world, so it had to be something related to the other world itself. Around then it started to click that +900Z might be slightly out of the ordinary. I googled adamantine spire dwarf fortress on a hunch and wound up here.
Pic of the tip: http://i.imgur.com/BYfd7.png
The Region w/ active embark: http://www.mediafire.com/?st1n7se5g48y0vz
Post by: MagmaSolutionsInc on February 22, 2012, 09:03:20 pm
Post by: jaxler on February 29, 2012, 07:06:04 pm
Post by: FruitBird on January 30, 2016, 05:04:50 pm
Used the following link to have a crack at this incredible world, but when i loaded the game there was no sign of the active save or world it mentioned.
Post by: Edward_Tohr on January 30, 2016, 05:12:07 pm
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=2692
Used the following link to have a crack at this incredible world, but when i loaded the game there was no sign of the active save or world it mentioned.
Note that the post just prior to yours was four years ago, and the OP was two years before that.
You'll probably want to try loading it in one of the (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/df_31_01.zip) 2010 releases (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/df_31_25_win.zip).
Post by: FruitBird on January 30, 2016, 05:16:30 pm
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=2692
Used the following link to have a crack at this incredible world, but when i loaded the game there was no sign of the active save or world it mentioned.
Note that the post just prior to yours was four years ago, and the OP was two years before that.
You'll probably want to try loading it in one of the (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/df_31_01.zip) 2010 releases (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/df_31_25_win.zip).
It seems like I have the right version, theres just no save file for the spire world in them.
Post by: Edward_Tohr on January 30, 2016, 05:28:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/LZFqWR3.png)
Maybe it needs version 31.10 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/df_31_10_legacy.zip), and won't work on anything else?
Post by: FruitBird on January 30, 2016, 05:30:19 pm
Did you unzip the folder into data/save? Works fine for me.
(http://i.imgur.com/LZFqWR3.png)
Maybe it needs version 31.10 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/df_31_10_legacy.zip), and won't work on anything else?
The folder I received unzipped into a copy of the game itself, unless I did something wrong?
Post by: FruitBird on January 30, 2016, 05:31:33 pm