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Messages - Deus Asmoth

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You spent the entire Day being combative.  I told you exactly what you were doing wrong, and you fought with me the entire time.  You can say I was gaslighting you, but I wasn't.
So you just saying things that you want to be true isn't just an in game thing, you do it all the time? Cool. The fact of the matter is that I asked Max to justify a single action, he threw a tantrum and you decided that somehow made me scum. You can argue that my responses to you were combatitive, but you had fully earned it.

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I cannot overstate enough that TricMagic managed to lose a won game for Town.  If anyone wants proof that voting TricMagic on Day 1 was wrong, this is all the evidence you need.
You say this like you're not the one who spend D1 gaslighting me over my correct read on Max.

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Well that was... interesting.

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It wasn’t a gradual buildup though, you just suddenly get more angry?
I can't control the point at which you decide to project emotions onto me. If you have any actual response to the points that I've made feel free, I'm not inclined to debate your interpretation of my feelings.

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Awfully convenient that you picked Toony.

Wow, the exact thing that I expected you to say is the thing that you said. Who could have seen this coming?

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I think you’re taking this rough because you seem very passive aggressive. A lot more so then you started as. Therefore, I can make the assumption that the change in your tone is because this is affecting you more then you say.
It's so cool how this is definitely true and I haven't said some variation of 'Tric is insane and it annoys me that I have to play around that' on multiple occasions.

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You completely excluded to even mention Tric in your “reasoning” post, first of all.

Unless you have a bombshell to drop, Tric was confirmed via roleclaim yesterday. You might know that if you hadn't wasted the day trolling.


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Lynch me and then him, lynch me and kill him, no lynch and kill me and then kill him. I don't particularly care.

I'm not willing to invest the effort necessary into pursuing that line of logic and then wrangling Tric into acting like a sane person long enough to put a lynch together.

Deus Asmoth


For someone who claims to not care, you seem to be taking this particularly rough.

There's a weird trend going on of people just projecting whatever feelings they want me to have onto me, regardless of the things I actually say or do. How is this me 'taking it rough', exactly?

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I honestly don't see any reason to post my inspection results. They're not useful and it's easier to just skip to the bit where I die.

This doesn’t explain why you forgot that you had even claimed cop in the first place, and you didn’t “post your inspection results” even when nobody was outright saying they sussed you.

Any sort of inspection is useful and saying otherwise isn’t very smart. If you are town, tell us the results so we have something to go off of if we lynch you.

Jesus Christ, you people. OK, fine. Last night I inspected Toony, because Webadict and Tric were probably town as far as I was concerned and Max had already claimed Miller. That meant that it was a choice between you and him and I didn't think either of you were likely to be killed so I chose by coinflip. Turned out I was wrong about that.

Now, do you want to confirm that this was a complete waste of my time or are you going to surprise me?

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How did you come to the conclusion that I’m the only person that could reasonably be scum?


That makes no sense, none of us are hard cleared, anyone could be mafia. If the mod hasn’t outright stated someone is town, there’s room to doubt.
I posted my reasons in the same post that your clearly read. If you have a problem with my logic you can explain it.

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Web, I think I'm not going to vote until we hear from Knightwing. Deus actually agreeing to that plan makes me want to be careful.
I mean, yeah, but the chance that it's him has increased to 99% because he forgot that he claimed Cop and hasn't posted inspection results.
I honestly don't see any reason to post my inspection results. They're not useful and it's easier to just skip to the bit where I die.

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Do you want to explain that in a way that doesn't involve posting a read list where every result reads 'Town I guess lol'?
Are you saying that I'm scum?
I'm saying you're playing like a lunatic and I don't know why.

In any case, as far as I can make out the only player who could reasonably be scum is Knightwing. Forcing a policy lynch on Jim doesn't make any sense for Webadict to do if they were on the same team, and killing Toony when he'd already signed over his free will to Webadict wouldn't make any sense for either Webadict or Max to do. It also wouldn't make sense for me to do as scum, but I already know that pointing that out is a waste of effort from me. I also know that there are plenty of WIFOM arguments you can make against those conclusions, but the fact of the matter is that it's completely counterproductive for any of the players I mentioned to kill the one town member who didn't want any of us dead.
Townhunting is a legitimate strategy for finding scum.  It can be used to create a Process of Elimination (PoE) on who scum can be.  ToonyMan was listed as "lol, cuz" because he's legitimately that good and sometimes, I have to take a risk on assuming he's Town or scum because if I don't, I'll be stuck in an endless battle of wondering if he's Town or scum.  I'm actually fine with ToonyMan being dead because it verifies that he's Town, although he was just about as confirmed as Max or I were from Yesterday's play.
None of this explains why your current theory that I'm scum directly contradicts most of what you said yesterday. It also doesn't explain the pointless antagonism you were doing, but I don't think either or us are interested in discussing that.

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Already answered your question Max.
You didn't technically, you just said you didn't shoot. I don't know if you can do anything else. :P
But since it looks like webadict knows what I did, it follows that nobody misdirected me anyway.

Deus, in that case, would you consent to be lynched if Tric agrees to shoot Knightwing immediately afterward if the game does not end?

Lynch me and then him, lynch me and kill him, no lynch and kill me and then kill him. I don't particularly care.

The only other scenario I can come up with that makes any sense is that Webadict is a Mafia-ally who misread Jim's alignment but correctly identified Max. I'm not willing to invest the effort necessary into pursuing that line of logic and then wrangling Tric into acting like a sane person long enough to put a lynch together.

Deus Asmoth

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Do you want to explain that in a way that doesn't involve posting a read list where every result reads 'Town I guess lol'?
Are you saying that I'm scum?
I'm saying you're playing like a lunatic and I don't know why.

In any case, as far as I can make out the only player who could reasonably be scum is Knightwing. Forcing a policy lynch on Jim doesn't make any sense for Webadict to do if they were on the same team, and killing Toony when he'd already signed over his free will to Webadict wouldn't make any sense for either Webadict or Max to do. It also wouldn't make sense for me to do as scum, but I already know that pointing that out is a waste of effort from me. I also know that there are plenty of WIFOM arguments you can make against those conclusions, but the fact of the matter is that it's completely counterproductive for any of the players I mentioned to kill the one town member who didn't want any of us dead.

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Do you want to explain that in a way that doesn't involve posting a read list where every result reads 'Town I guess lol'?

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The question is whether Deus doesn't want to vote Jim because he really likes the no lynch plan, or because he cares about Jim.
The answer is that 'vote Jim because Webadict said so' is not a compelling argument.

 
Why?
Because you've given me literally no reason to, and several reasons not to trust your vote choice.
I... gave you a compelling list of why I thought everyone else was Town.  Is that not good enough for you?

You gave me a list. Compelling isn't the word I would use for it.

[quoteI understand from a Town perspective why you could assume I'm scum from that, but in terms of staying alive, it's a great incentive to vote Jim.  If you're not that worried, then vote me.  To me, it seems like you think I'm Town, which, good news, I am.  But, if you don't vote me.[/quote]
How does me explicitly saying that I think you're scum give you the impression that I think you're town?

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Come on Deus vote Jim and I'll switch. Web and Max will probably join too and you stay alive.
You know what? Sure, let's see how that goes.

Jim

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The question is whether Deus doesn't want to vote Jim because he really likes the no lynch plan, or because he cares about Jim.
The answer is that 'vote Jim because Webadict said so' is not a compelling argument.

 
Why?
Because you've given me literally no reason to, and several reasons not to trust your vote choice.

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