Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 11, 2009, 06:50:58 pm
A crayon odyssey
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2co6b7n.jpg)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/v4owb9.jpg)
You may suggest things, and John may do them (depending on whether it is possible for him at the moment. He hears your suggestions from under his hat, so it's a little muffled, too.)
Can you help John figure out where he is? Can you deduce the intentions of the Rainbow snail? And will we ever know why John's hat changed in the last panel?
It is up to you, voices in John's head.
Post by: woose1 on April 11, 2009, 06:52:46 pm
EDIT: Oh, sorry, he might not have heard me.
STEAL THE DAMN HAT JHON! IT'S YOURS, NOT HIS! STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAL IIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!
Post by: inaluct on April 11, 2009, 06:53:09 pm
Post by: Helmaroc on April 11, 2009, 06:54:50 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 11, 2009, 07:03:28 pm
Post by: Floirt on April 11, 2009, 07:38:10 pm
Post by: Mulch Diggums on April 11, 2009, 07:42:17 pm
Post by: Dragooble on April 11, 2009, 08:04:13 pm
Post by: Armok on April 11, 2009, 08:14:06 pm
Post by: inaluct on April 11, 2009, 08:29:37 pm
I AM THE LOUDEST VOICE
TALK TO THE THING WITH THE HALO
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 11, 2009, 08:32:33 pm
Now toss the owl into the sun already...
Post by: Boksi on April 11, 2009, 08:35:01 pm
Eat apple and toss owl into thing with halo.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 11, 2009, 08:39:07 pm
Post by: Dragooble on April 11, 2009, 08:41:20 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: inaluct on April 11, 2009, 08:59:03 pm
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8715/talkw.png)
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on April 11, 2009, 09:30:09 pm
Post by: Dragooble on April 11, 2009, 09:34:39 pm
Post by: Armok on April 11, 2009, 11:24:58 pm
Post by: inaluct on April 11, 2009, 11:36:52 pm
he is lying to you he is lying lying
Don't listen. YoU HAve No COMMON sNS
DON'T iMPOSTOR
he liesLISTEN
HIIISSSSSSS
Post by: CloisteredSyrups on April 11, 2009, 11:59:09 pm
Also, TALKTOIT.
TALK to it.
TALK.
it speaks and obeys.
Post by: Solifuge on April 12, 2009, 12:22:00 am
Yes. I know you were thinking it.
that
which
you
SEEK.
Enter the door, John.
Post by: inaluct on April 12, 2009, 12:37:57 am
I'm honored, Cloistered.
Post by: Dragooble on April 12, 2009, 12:40:01 am
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 12, 2009, 08:28:26 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 12, 2009, 12:45:19 pm
ok i changed my mind. force feed the owl to whatever inaluct wants to talk to using the apple after its been roasted on the sun.
Steal hat from non-cat.
EDIT: Oh, sorry, he might not have heard me.
STEAL THE DAMN HAT JHON! IT'S YOURS, NOT HIS! STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAL IIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2n80on.jpg)
John: Alas. Oh if my arms were only a teeny bit longer. But it was not to be. I can still reach the apple though...
Eat that apple, an apple aday keeps the commies away.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2qbroqo.jpg)
John: Um. I don't think I'm that hungry anymore...
Apple: Heeeeeeloooo John! I am Apple. I can help you.
But I need teeth! No teeth, no advice. 1 teeth = 1 advice. TEEEEEEEEEEEETH!
(Apple (Teeth x3) has been added to your inventory)
Hello Johny, I am your common sense. You are currently experiencing being adducted from your normal by a magic snail, and put in an abstract landscape that looks like something from Alice in Wonderland. And you are hearing voices. YOU ARE HEARING FREEKIN VOICES, you can figure this out, it's rather obvious.(http://i43.tinypic.com/2yjvu4o.jpg)
Glad that's settled. Now to talk to the ...thing.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/o8fkzn.jpg)
You have initiated conversation. What do you say?
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 01:03:22 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 12, 2009, 01:04:38 pm
I have not eaten you."
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 01:05:26 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 12, 2009, 01:09:02 pm
John sits around, waiting uncomfortably.
Post by: inaluct on April 12, 2009, 01:18:55 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 12, 2009, 01:21:06 pm
Why is you here?"
Post by: inaluct on April 12, 2009, 01:25:38 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 12, 2009, 01:33:23 pm
Post by: inaluct on April 12, 2009, 01:35:27 pm
At this point, John should take a step back out of knifing range.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 12, 2009, 01:43:00 pm
Go through doors. Listen to apple. Don’t come back.”
Conversation end!
Post by: Myroc on April 12, 2009, 02:20:05 pm
Oh, did I mention i was evil? Well, now you know.
Anywho, i suggest you try and find your powers, and send this place to the underworld.
As of now, i suggest going down the stairs may be a good idea, wouldn't you agree?
Post by: inaluct on April 12, 2009, 02:24:53 pm
Don't listen to him, John. He's barely coherent, and he obviously takes himself way too seriously. He probably thinks he's badass, or something. Pathetic.
Post by: Myroc on April 12, 2009, 02:26:27 pm
Also, since when do you earn the title "Fruitcake" by saying "Anywho"?
Post by: Boksi on April 12, 2009, 02:34:46 pm
Doors? Don't look like you can open the door saying home. It has a face on it though. It probably takes you back home, now that I think about it.
And home means math exams. Avoid that, roight?
So we have the eye door, the help door and the staircase.
The help door is obviously a trap. So obviously.
The eye door... Eh, we don't have any eye problems, do we? No, I'm really asking that, I honestly can't remember if we do.
And the staircase.. It's got "No" written on it in red. Probably blood. Obviously we're not meant to go there. So we must check it out.
DOWN THE STAIRCASE! STAIRCASE! STAIRCASE! STAAAIIIRRRCAAAASEEEE...
Post by: inaluct on April 12, 2009, 02:37:02 pm
Post by: Boksi on April 12, 2009, 02:39:06 pm
Post by: Myroc on April 12, 2009, 02:47:23 pm
Post by: inaluct on April 12, 2009, 03:02:49 pm
Post by: Squeegy on April 12, 2009, 03:15:31 pm
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 03:16:32 pm
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9681/psyche2a.png)
Look at the small cloud.
There is a triangle with an eye in it.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 12, 2009, 03:21:47 pm
Post by: Org on April 12, 2009, 03:29:58 pm
Post by: Myroc on April 12, 2009, 03:31:36 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 12, 2009, 03:34:43 pm
*Time to draw.
Post by: Armok on April 12, 2009, 09:50:34 pm
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Hi, it's me, your common sense again!
Oh, and morality called in sick, so I'll be doing her job from now on to.
Aright, so lets analyse this situation, chronologically:
1)The anthropomorphic fruit here seem to poses knowledge about this realm, and it's advice is
probably valuable. HOWEVER, it seems to like most things here be rather insane, it seems at least
obsessive-compulsive to acquire dentistry.
2) "teeth" != "no";
3) The androgynous abstract semi-angelic thing (you really should have asked for its name) I
judge as a force to count on, having eaten all those things implies having killed them first, as they
are unlikely to have volunteered to the position of dinner. It also make a point of not having eaten
you, this can either be a sign it is/was friendly to you.
It recognizes you by the name "scavenger", a rather infamous person who apparently destroyed
the world. Seemingly you were not always a very good person.
4) YOU betrayed a friend, you destroyed the world, you put good people into eternal torment, YOU
HAVE TO SET RIGHT WHAT YOU DID WRONG. YOU WERE BAD; NOW YOU HAVE TO BE GOOD. GIVE
HIM BACK HIS LEGS; HIS LIFE; HIS WORLD.
4) About the exits, all of them seem like traps really. However this place and everyone you've
meet here is clearly insane, so that kind of signs do not necessarily apply. Whichever one you
choose make sure you watch out carefully, do not let your guard be dropped, and do not let it
close behind you as it might be impossible to open it again.
5) Be careful, this place has a lower average sanity level than most asylums, and the inhabitants
you have talked to do not appear to always that way. the conclusion is that THIS PLACE DRIVES
PEOPLE MAD, and we have no reason to think you are immune to this effect, in fact you're already
hearing voices after all. This place is like neverland, or the other side of Alices mirror. Bad things
happen here, and if you are not careful you will end up like apple, or angel, or worse..
6) When this is how your SANITY and COMMON SENSE sounds, it's bad.
Post by: inaluct on April 12, 2009, 10:07:42 pm
Post by: Boksi on April 12, 2009, 10:08:57 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 12, 2009, 10:10:37 pm
Other things... not so much.
One point that I am glad we got to, however, was the choosing of a portal.
If you had stayed any longer...
The owl can never have enough teeth.
Anyways (Not anywho), John is busy teleporting. He does not have time for sanity, or common sense.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 13, 2009, 10:21:14 am
The world is burning...
Burning to the ground!
Peace is finally found,
Fire is the only sound!
(http://i40.tinypic.com/107uph3.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/fdzuyc.jpg)
John: "Phew! It was all just a dream. No creepy owl, no weird doll thing, and most of all, NO EXAM!
Now, if I only knew where that music was coming from..."
Post by: NUKE9.13 on April 13, 2009, 10:29:17 am
Hey, John, it's me. Nuke.
Uh, just calling to say, go through the door with the eye-triangle on it.
Oh, and don't listen to any crazy voices.
*click*
Post by: Myroc on April 13, 2009, 10:34:26 am
...
Time for plan B. This will take a while...
Post by: Luke_Prowler on April 13, 2009, 02:53:42 pm
Also, if you can talk to the kid, tell him to check the closet first. No, scrach that, find a weapon first.
Post by: Myroc on April 13, 2009, 03:06:47 pm
Ah, finally, can you hear me? Good. Open the closet and get some clothing. Can't run around destroying the world in only your underwear, can you?
Oh, and then walk through the door with the strange eye-symbol.
Post by: Dragooble on April 13, 2009, 03:13:50 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 13, 2009, 04:05:13 pm
HI JOHN! TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETH!
*Slam*
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 13, 2009, 04:18:57 pm
Post by: woose1 on April 13, 2009, 05:02:58 pm
Post by: SombreChapaeu on April 13, 2009, 08:42:53 pm
we still have the apple right?
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 13, 2009, 10:24:36 pm
...Right?
Post by: Okenido on April 13, 2009, 10:35:03 pm
Post by: Dragooble on April 13, 2009, 10:44:57 pm
we are the Trusssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst
Post by: inaluct on April 13, 2009, 10:46:17 pm
Post by: Dragooble on April 13, 2009, 10:54:15 pm
the closet jHOOOOOOn hathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathat
hathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathathat.
YOUR EYES SHALL BLEED THE rainbow sunshine filled HATRED OF our pretty pony unicorns.
Post by: inaluct on April 13, 2009, 11:08:28 pm
Post by: CloisteredSyrups on April 14, 2009, 12:54:17 am
The voices, John! Don't be afraid of the voices! Don'tbeafraiddontbeafraiddontbeafraid JOHN!
Hat. Hat. Hat. Hat. Your Hat is Gone, John. It's ever so COLD without your hat
THE CLOSET JOHN! LOOK IN THE CLOSET! FIND THE CLOSET, CLOSET, YES! Closets taste like so many carrots JOHN! Your hat!
Post by: inaluct on April 14, 2009, 12:56:18 am
Post by: CloisteredSyrups on April 14, 2009, 01:17:38 am
Post by: Myroc on April 14, 2009, 08:18:27 am
Wait, do mysterious voices even have psyches?
Post by: Luke_Prowler on April 14, 2009, 08:31:42 am
Post by: SombreChapaeu on April 14, 2009, 12:10:23 pm
...
...
...
PUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
some cad, and take his hat,
I don't recommend trying this on captain falcon though, for one... he wears a helmet, and that won't do.
Post by: Myroc on April 14, 2009, 12:17:05 pm
Wait, that won't leave a hat to wear. Ignore me.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 14, 2009, 01:42:17 pm
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2i1jzad.jpg)
Okay, so what will it be? What hat will we take? Do we go out into this strange world alone, or do we bring along our dubious guide (And perhaps use some of his teeth for answers)? It seems that we aren't out of the mess just yet...
The music is getting louder.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on April 14, 2009, 02:10:45 pm
Hey, John, it's me again.
Just calling to say that the music you're hearing is the famous opera 'OH GODS MY FLESH IS MELTING'
You should probably sing the hit classic 'I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF ME WEARING THAT RED HAT'
Uh, yeah, that's it.
See ya.
*click*
Post by: Myroc on April 14, 2009, 02:19:20 pm
After you wear the hat, of course. Either hat is fine, as long as you put on the hat.
Post by: Squeegy on April 14, 2009, 02:51:51 pm
Post by: Dragooble on April 14, 2009, 03:09:25 pm
eyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 14, 2009, 03:11:33 pm
Post by: SombreChapaeu on April 14, 2009, 04:19:31 pm
Post by: inaluct on April 14, 2009, 05:57:34 pm
SHIT SHIT SHIT OH GOD
Post by: Helmaroc on April 14, 2009, 07:37:57 pm
Post by: CloisteredSyrups on April 15, 2009, 01:00:02 am
Post by: SombreChapaeu on April 15, 2009, 01:09:21 am
Post by: Myroc on April 15, 2009, 07:20:14 am
But he might have chang-
*whack* Shut up, you weird blue-sounding voice.
Post by: Ultimuh on April 16, 2009, 02:20:18 pm
What? oh Who I am?
Really, you don't want to know that John.. Seriously, you don't want to..
Anyway.. Let's think things through here..
There are two types of hats.. I'm not sure if the other one's a hat really.. looks wierd in my opinion.. One tooty apple. And a bat with a face on.
Then we have a.. Hmm.. there's blood.. avoid things with blood on, that's my advice..
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 18, 2009, 05:28:43 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 18, 2009, 07:11:23 pm
Post by: CloisteredSyrups on April 19, 2009, 01:14:11 am
Avoid the beings known as Scanners...
They seek to deny you your HAT
Don't let that happen, John! Get the
HAT with the EYE! DO IT, JOHN!
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 19, 2009, 08:09:48 am
*John takes the hat with the eye.
But what's this under the hat?
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2dgkh2q.jpg)
...Well, whatever it is, there's always more space in the inventory.
You have obtained Your Prescription!
*John retrieves apple
*John obtains Scissors
Ask the snail eyes about cats.
The Snail has once again dissappeared mysteriously.
Okay, now to check where that demented music is coming from.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/23tqlqw.jpg)
Oh dear.
Don't you hate it when this happens?
Post by: Myroc on April 19, 2009, 08:17:41 am
Post by: Org on April 19, 2009, 09:13:48 am
Post by: Luke_Prowler on April 19, 2009, 10:46:32 am
Unless they attack you, then slaughter away.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on April 19, 2009, 12:40:21 pm
Post by: inaluct on April 19, 2009, 12:43:11 pm
Post by: Okenido on April 19, 2009, 01:42:20 pm
That filthy trespassing bitch...
Kill her...
Kill that wretch named Jennifer!!!!
Post by: Ultimuh on April 19, 2009, 02:05:33 pm
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 19, 2009, 03:04:19 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 19, 2009, 03:29:57 pm
Does no one else see the rats behind you?
Post by: inaluct on April 19, 2009, 03:32:31 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 19, 2009, 03:34:06 pm
> DANCE! DANCE THE DANCE OF LIFE! ...and then kill the rats...
You cannot do that with your current level of sanity.
That bitch...
That filthy trespassing bitch...
Kill her...
Kill that wretch named Jennifer!!!!
John is very confused.
Post by: Org on April 19, 2009, 03:34:20 pm
Post by: inaluct on April 19, 2009, 03:35:24 pm
Post by: Org on April 19, 2009, 03:36:14 pm
THat was a good game.
I say we cut off a tail of a rat, then use it as a whip to gouge off their noses, and eyes.
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 19, 2009, 03:36:58 pm
>Barter with rats for teeth!
EDIT: changed
Post by: Okenido on April 19, 2009, 03:37:34 pm
That bitch...
That filthy trespassing bitch...
Kill her...
Kill that wretch named Jennifer!!!!
John is very confused.
It's a Clock Tower reference...
Post by: inaluct on April 19, 2009, 03:38:13 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 19, 2009, 03:41:12 pm
Anyway, does anyone want a rundown of inventory, or somesuch? Or are you all cool with how I'm doing things?
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 19, 2009, 03:41:56 pm
Do it!
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 19, 2009, 03:55:53 pm
- Eye Hat (Abilities unknown)
- Scissors (Abilities unknown)
- Apple (3 unused advice teeth)
- Prescription (Daily pill not taken)
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 19, 2009, 03:57:20 pm
Post by: Boksi on April 19, 2009, 03:58:41 pm
It makes the world unfun. Math exams are unfun.
Therefore, that pill is a math exam! Gyargh!
Post by: Org on April 19, 2009, 03:59:09 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on April 19, 2009, 04:34:12 pm
FIND THE SOURCE AND DESTROY IT!
Post by: Darkone on April 19, 2009, 05:13:07 pm
Ok, now that thats out of my system, I actually advise against killing the rats. Much better to manipulate them into doing your bidding, child!
Post by: SombreChapaeu on April 19, 2009, 05:32:41 pm
Post by: CloisteredSyrups on April 19, 2009, 05:32:57 pm
But, oh, dear... These vermin surely will lower the value of your house. Quickly, John, before they can do something unfortunate - Yank a tooth from the Apple and ask it what to do!
Post by: Nirur Torir on April 19, 2009, 06:06:45 pm
John? Get advice from the apple. Don't attack the rats. You cannot win against them.
Post by: Ultimuh on April 19, 2009, 06:10:27 pm
DestroyTHE MUSIC!
Post by: Armok on April 19, 2009, 10:05:40 pm
Code: [Select]
John, you should take your pills.
Post by: Squeegy on April 20, 2009, 12:13:46 am
Common sense is talking. Listen, John. The other voices want you to be unhappy. Take your pills.Code: [Select]John, you should take your pills.
Post by: Okenido on April 20, 2009, 12:43:32 am
You are the chosen one.
You don't need pills!
Post by: Squeegy on April 20, 2009, 12:53:21 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on April 20, 2009, 01:08:41 am
Duh.
Post by: Squeegy on April 20, 2009, 01:29:32 am
Don't listen to them. Read the recommended dose. Take the pills.
Post by: inaluct on April 20, 2009, 02:22:17 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on April 20, 2009, 02:53:59 am
Spoiler: I AM SERIOUS RIGHT NOW: (click to show/hide)
Lets
Spoiler: (NOT lolwhaaaT?) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Squeegy on April 20, 2009, 02:55:52 am
Post by: Okenido on April 20, 2009, 02:57:53 am
Post by: Myroc on April 20, 2009, 07:43:07 am
Also, watch your back, John. Watch your back.
Post by: Boksi on April 20, 2009, 10:29:46 am
The pills are math exams!
Post by: Servant Corps on April 20, 2009, 01:36:16 pm
It provides you immunity from attacking rats, but it will not get rid of the rats themselves.
Not going to provide any advice, just letting you get prepared.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 22, 2009, 06:07:12 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2lj3ngg.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2daix36.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2wfpwk1.jpg)
There is a note left on the floor:
"Dear Sir,
Never have we seen such an amazing display of our art! Your dancing was truly demonic. Congratulations!
As custom dictates, we have crowned you the new Rat King. Unfortunately, we did not catch your name before you passed out on us. No worries though; we chose a NEW name for you when we conducted the ceremony! You are now Scavenger, King of the Rats.
Here's to a long and happy reign. If you ever need support from our comrades, just dance!
Sincerely,
The (Former) Rat King"
Inventory:
- Eye Hat (Abilities unknown)
- Scissors (Abilities unknown)
- Apple (3 unused advice teeth)
- Prescription (Daily pill taken)
John is in a seemingly endless hallway. What would you have him do?
Post by: Servant Corps on April 22, 2009, 06:14:36 pm
Post by: inaluct on April 22, 2009, 06:15:38 pm
Post by: Squeegy on April 22, 2009, 06:20:58 pm
Post by: Armok on April 23, 2009, 12:13:58 am
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This situation is interesting, it would appear that time travel is involved. I'd recomend looking the specific workings of it up, maybe ask apple?
Post by: inaluct on April 23, 2009, 12:18:26 am
Prophetic hallucinations are probably more likely.
Post by: Okenido on April 23, 2009, 12:20:05 am
Why don't you meet your new people?
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 23, 2009, 12:24:37 am
Post by: Armok on April 23, 2009, 12:31:23 am
Think about what's more likely, Common Sense; time travel, or prophetic hallucinations.And who are you? Rare sense? Intuition?
Prophetic hallucinations are probably more likely.
Post by: inaluct on April 23, 2009, 12:38:51 am
I'm awarding
Post by: Myroc on April 23, 2009, 01:06:52 am
Try taking another pill and see if you can incinerate something.
Post by: Okenido on April 23, 2009, 01:13:07 am
Don't overdose.
Bad things happen when you overdose, like death.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on April 23, 2009, 01:40:23 am
Hey, John. Or should I say, Scavenger?
I tooooold you.
The pills were some weird shit.
Aaaanyway, I'm here to give you some advice which will make for an interesting story rather than your survival.
That sounded way better in my head.
Ahem.
Combine your hat and the crown. Wear the resultant DEMONIC EYE CROWN.
Ok, bye!
*click*
Post by: CloisteredSyrups on April 23, 2009, 06:25:13 am
I say, though, John. That fellow with the telephone in your left brain is quite ingenious. You should listen to him and
Combine the Hat and Crown!
It would be ever so...Syrupy.
Mmm!
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 23, 2009, 12:36:16 pm
Code: [Select]This situation is interesting, it would appear that time travel is involved. I'd recomend looking the specific workings of it up, maybe ask apple?
John: "Okay Apple. How does this time travel thing work?"
(http://i40.tinypic.com/153mgix.jpg)
John: "Oookay. That was useful."
*ring ring*(http://i41.tinypic.com/2u909qv.jpg)
Hey, John. Or should I say, Scavenger?
I tooooold you.
The pills were some weird shit.
Aaaanyway, I'm here to give you some advice which will make for an interesting story rather than your survival.
That sounded way better in my head.
Ahem.
Combine your hat and the crown. Wear the resultant DEMONIC EYE CROWN.
Ok, bye!
*click*
Your new spiffy look has both increased your Confidence and the size of your weapon! (No double entendre intended)
> Examine DEAD MAN WALKING, painted 1957.
John examines the portrait.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2q1zd35.jpg)
It appears to have been altered somewhat.
Inventory:
- Demonic Eye Hat (Abilities unknown)
- Scissors (Abilities unknown)
- Apple (2 unused advice teeth)
- Prescription (Daily pill taken)
Post by: SombreChapaeu on April 23, 2009, 12:52:18 pm
Post by: Myroc on April 23, 2009, 01:53:29 pm
Oh, that reminds me. Where are your rat minions? Surely they can aid you in the quest of conquering the world.
Post by: inaluct on April 23, 2009, 06:03:40 pm
Post by: Armok on April 23, 2009, 10:35:18 pm
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Apples advice might have seem'd cryptic. But it wasnt really.
There is a mention of loops, recursion, and a posibility of redemption.
We draw the conclution that the workings of timetravel is computational,
the past can be changed, and there is a single timeline that "changes" in a second,
non traversible time dimention.
In short, you dont HAVE to burn the world, and if you avoid burning it,
it will never have been burned in the first place.
The problem is, then you woldn't know not to, and we get a grandfather paradox.
What we need to do, is figure out a way to exit the loop, some kind of third option maybe?
Be on your guard, and don't do random things for little reason, you must try to get as much
information as possible while changing the world around you as little as possible.(OOC note: I'm just throwing something semi-plausible out, I Didn't Do the Research.)
Post by: NUKE9.13 on April 24, 2009, 03:23:15 am
You go back in time. Ok, now you're in the past. You have not been born yet
You kill your grandfather. Ok, you're still in the past. You have not and will never be born. Big woop.
You live happily ever after.
But that's only in our conventional (+ the ability to travel through) understanding of time.
With john's world things look a little different.)
*ring ring*
Hey, John. May I first say that that demonic eye crown looks spiffing? You can crush the world in style now, oh yeah!
Anyway...
I was thinking. If you're going in a loop through time, seeing as you haven't met yourself you're probably going to die, so common sense is right, you should get out of here ASAP. However! If you have been here before there may be notes from you to you. For example, I espy a note labled 'Tock' behind yonder painting. Why not take a gander?
*cough cough cough*
I'm sorry John, I appear to be coming down with ye old old posh english fellow disease.
Well, bye now. Get better soon!
*click*
Post by: Armok on April 24, 2009, 07:02:49 am
(Grandfather paradoxes are overrated. Going back in time and killing your parent/grandparent/whatever is not going to end the universe.(Well, there are several theories, and the results are different in each of them, the one I proposed the john's world worked by and the one you described is mostly the same theory, so it'd be as you say. And yea, they are overrated, but in this case one WOULD happen, and it'd still be an annoyance. )
You go back in time. Ok, now you're in the past. You have not been born yet
You kill your grandfather. Ok, you're still in the past. You have not and will never be born. Big woop.
You live happily ever after.
But that's only in our conventional (+ the ability to travel through) understanding of time.
With john's world things look a little different.)
Post by: CloisteredSyrups on April 24, 2009, 08:57:00 am
*Tea Sip.* There's something peculiar about that painting, John, and it's not the dancing pixies. No, there's something behind that painting, John, and we need to get it. Verily!
Post by: Myroc on April 24, 2009, 09:09:56 am
But let us not banter about chronological traversing theories. Onward and upward, let's find your rat minions and do something evil.
(In the event that we CAN change the past, i still suggest that we remain evil. Alright, perhaps no world-burning, but world-conquest, perhaps?)
Post by: Servant Corps on April 24, 2009, 09:39:45 am
Why not go there?
Post by: SombreChapaeu on April 24, 2009, 05:31:40 pm
Code: [Select]Apples advice might have seem'd cryptic. But it wasnt really.
There is a mention of loops, recursion, and a posibility of redemption.
We draw the conclution that the workings of timetravel is computational,
the past can be changed, and there is a single timeline that "changes" in a second,
non traversible time dimention.
In short, you dont HAVE to burn the world, and if you avoid burning it,
it will never have been burned in the first place.
The problem is, then you woldn't know not to, and we get a grandfather paradox.
What we need to do, is figure out a way to exit the loop, some kind of third option maybe?
Be on your guard, and don't do random things for little reason, you must try to get as much
information as possible while changing the world around you as little as possible.
(OOC note: I'm just throwing something semi-plausible out, I Didn't Do the Research.)
(just time travel and tell yourself, HEY FUCKER DON'T BURN THE FUCKING WORLD... or we send maybe an agent... some sort of... apple back... with knowledge of the future... and 3 teeth.)
Post by: Servant Corps on April 24, 2009, 09:27:53 pm
All He did was dance. Right?)
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 24, 2009, 10:19:02 pm
Great Scott that was a brilliant idea, John! Simply smashing HAT you have now!It seems to be a torn-up note!
*Tea Sip.* There's something peculiar about that painting, John, and it's not the dancing pixies. No, there's something behind that painting, John, and we need to get it. Verily!
(http://i43.tinypic.com/ajtnw6.jpg)
Unfortunately, all it provides you with is a healthy dose of foreshadowing.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2e0u2vr.jpg)
The portrait seems to have changed again...
EDIT:
To answer a few questions:
Aren't we supposed to be the Chosen One of Shroomland?It is mighty difficult to get to Shroomland.
Why not go there?
Alright, look who looks badass. Nice going John. Time to find an excuse for another evil act.
Oh, that reminds me. Where are your rat minions? Surely they can aid you in the quest of conquering the world.
In order to summon the rats, you must Dance.
Thanks for all the comments, guys. It is through your suggestions that the story gets shaped.
EDIT2:
Inventory:
- Demonic Eye Hat (Abilities unknown)
- Scissors (Abilities unknown)
- Apple (2 unused advice teeth)
- Mysterious torn note
- Prescription (Daily pill taken)
Post by: Armok on April 24, 2009, 11:15:26 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 24, 2009, 11:19:38 pm
Yeah. The apple swallowed it.
I like to think about it as a pure conversion between tooth and advice.
Post by: Myroc on April 25, 2009, 05:57:36 am
Start dancing.
Post by: CloisteredSyrups on April 25, 2009, 06:26:53 am
No, I think we should try to walk through the portrait! Oh it would be ever so much fun to see what's on the other side, don't you agree John?
Post by: SombreChapaeu on April 25, 2009, 07:14:48 pm
No, no, no no No, John. Don't listen to that violet pimpernel. We haven't any need for the rodents yet, now do we? Can't tarnish our reputation in the rat world!
No, I think we should try to walk through the portrait! Oh it would be ever so much fun to see what's on the other side, don't you agree John?
WRONG CLEARLY WRONG, JAM YOUR SCISSORS INTO THE PAINTING, THEN OPEN THEM CREATING A PORTAL, GO THROUGH THE PORTAL, make sure to bring the scissors with you.
Post by: SombreChapaeu on April 27, 2009, 12:37:43 am
[size=9]THE RAINBOW SNAIL IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!!!![/size]
Post by: The Mad Engineer on April 30, 2009, 11:46:06 am
No, no, no no No, John. Don't listen to that violet pimpernel. We haven't any need for the rodents yet, now do we? Can't tarnish our reputation in the rat world!
No, I think we should try to walk through the portrait! Oh it would be ever so much fun to see what's on the other side, don't you agree John?
John walks through the portrait!
(http://i42.tinypic.com/rjnss1.jpg)
Crap.
Inventory:
Well, there's not much here to look at. Will John go north, south, east, or west? Will he find out where he is? What is going on?
It's up to you, voices in John's head.
Post by: Ultimuh on April 30, 2009, 11:55:06 am
NO! THE OTHER LEFT!
Post by: Myroc on April 30, 2009, 12:15:09 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on May 03, 2009, 01:35:29 pm
Babump tisch (Yeah ok that's one))
*ring ring*
*ring ring*
*ring ring*
GOD DAMMIT WILL YOU PICK UP ALREADY?
*ring ring*
*ring ring*
Fudge.
*scribble scribble*
*run run run*
Hey, john. Nice to see you. Shame about your phone, man. Anyway, here's my advice.
*deliver*
*flee*
Dear John,
I am sorry to hear about your phone. Anyway,
I think you should not worry about that. Dammit,
you have a world to burn! And a certain HAT to
rescue. Why not use a branch of that burnt tree
to draw yourself some weaponry? This is a
painting after all.
Yours sincerely, NUKE
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 08, 2009, 08:13:06 pm
([Bump-related-pun/joke]
Babump tisch (Yeah ok that's one))
*ring ring*
*ring ring*
*ring ring*
GOD DAMMIT WILL YOU PICK UP ALREADY?
*ring ring*
*ring ring*
Fudge.
*scribble scribble*
*run run run*
Hey, john. Nice to see you. Shame about your phone, man. Anyway, here's my advice.
*deliver*
*flee*
Dear John,
I am sorry to hear about your phone. Anyway,
I think you should not worry about that. Dammit,
you have a world to burn! And a certain HAT to
rescue. Why not use a branch of that burnt tree
to draw yourself some weaponry? This is a
painting after all.
Yours sincerely, NUKE
John reaches for the branch...
He cannot reach!
CURSE THOSE TINY ARMS! CURSE THEM!
I see a familiar face near that tree John, the one to your left.
NO! THE OTHER LEFT!
*John recovers Apple (x2 teeth)
I think we should ask the apple where on earthweJohnareis.
"Okay,Apple, where are we?"
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8055/advice2.png)
*Also, sorry for the delays. AP weeks are now. Thanks for your comments :)
EDIT: Today is the day that I have discovered tinypic's evil conversion of my files to jpeg. THE FIENDS!
Post by: Dragooble on May 08, 2009, 08:55:16 pm
John, i do believe it is time for me to step in amidst all this insanity. First, deciphering the first part of the apples message: we are in the present, we always have been. What the apple is obviously saying is, you are still in the same world you were in upon entering the painting, or at least the same time period. As for the second part: history repeats itself, time does not. This refers to, once again, we are in the same time period. apparently, an event that occurred in the past is about to repeat itself. The question is, which event? Perhaps this is about that mysterious name you seem to go by? We cannot be sure about the situation right now, so i would advise you to follow the apples advice and find the Nameless Tower. One problem, we do not know where that is. If you are still in the same time period, you are probably still the rat king. You may want to summon your rat slaves- excuse me, royal aides to aide you in your time of needing aide.
Post by: Org on May 08, 2009, 09:02:11 pm
(If you read the picture, you can see that it says(Or at least, what I can see) "You are in the present.A place you created. We have always been here. The future, a place John created. GO to the nameless tower.")
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 09, 2009, 08:53:39 am
a mysterious figure types at a desk in an unspecified location
John, i do believe it is time for me to step in amidst all this insanity. First, deciphering the first part of the apples message: we are in the present, we always have been. What the apple is obviously saying is, you are still in the same world you were in upon entering the painting, or at least the same time period. As for the second part: history repeats itself, time does not. This refers to, once again, we are in the same time period. apparently, an event that occurred in the past is about to repeat itself. The question is, which event? Perhaps this is about that mysterious name you seem to go by? We cannot be sure about the situation right now, so i would advise you to follow the apples advice and find the Nameless Tower. One problem, we do not know where that is. If you are still in the same time period, you are probably still the rat king. You may want to summon your rat slaves- excuse me, royal aides to aide you in your time of needing aide.
John starts to dance. A rat appears!
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/791/ratcall1.png)
The rat escapes!
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3722/badpeople.png)
John breaks down crying. He is reminded of all the naysayers of his previous life. Teachers, bullies, parents, all against him. They were right. He is a failure.
Inventory
Apple (x1 teeth)
Post by: Myroc on May 09, 2009, 09:51:43 am
I say, walk over to the tree and break of the branch. Even if we cannot draw a weapon with it we can use it as a makeshift club, in case of trouble.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on May 09, 2009, 11:05:12 am
John!
John old chap!
Give a fellow a hand, what what?
I fear that unless you call that goddamm rat back and dance him to death for defiance I shall succumb to ye old old fashioned chap disease!
Pip pip!
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 09, 2009, 01:57:08 pm
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4392/ratkingt.png)
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7370/thecall.png)
John hears a strange rumbling to the east...
He feels vulnerable without his hat...
Inventory:
Apple (x1 teeth)
Post by: Myroc on May 09, 2009, 01:59:31 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 09, 2009, 02:00:52 pm
Stupid draconian imageshack...
Post by: NUKE9.13 on May 09, 2009, 02:43:40 pm
Summon thine pills! With them thou shalt standeth firm against thee oncoming beasts!
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 09, 2009, 02:51:07 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on May 09, 2009, 02:57:01 pm
'twas a pleasure knowing thee, johne. I shallt see thou in thy next life. I shall leaveth now. Mine parting advice is to draw thine crown in the dust. Mayhaps this painting shall then yield you rewards. But I doubt it, thou art an failure of a king.
Farewell!
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 09, 2009, 03:33:53 pm
Perhaps walking AWAY from the approaching army could result in a more lively future for our charge!
Post by: Dragooble on May 09, 2009, 03:36:29 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 09, 2009, 03:44:00 pm
John runs away from the approaching army, into unknown territory.
He runs into a tree, beneath the yellow sky, with a suspicious figure upon a branch...
(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4350/eighth.png)
Conversation initiated!
Post by: Myroc on May 09, 2009, 04:06:18 pm
Tell us what is going on NOW, or we will kill you were you stand.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 09, 2009, 04:16:02 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on May 09, 2009, 04:31:13 pm
Yet I am also a confused young lad plagued by crazy voices who really needs to study for his test and DOES NOT NEED TO BE CONFIRMED OF HIS LACK OF CAT-LIKE FEATURES AND DOES NOT TRUST THE RAINBOW SNAIL
SO TELL ME WHAT IS GOING ON OR YOU WILL SUFFER"
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 09, 2009, 04:38:22 pm
We'd never do something to hurt you, John."
Post by: NUKE9.13 on May 09, 2009, 04:44:02 pm
"Fine, lead me out, clock man."
Post by: Myroc on May 09, 2009, 04:52:40 pm
Post by: Org on May 09, 2009, 05:15:21 pm
Grab the pills. Grab the pills.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on May 09, 2009, 05:38:51 pm
Wait wait wait, what was that you said? "Scavengers like you and me"? You are also a scavenger?(I am begging to feel as if 'tis not the clock doing the talking)
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 09, 2009, 07:18:33 pm
"I see you are staring at my clock. It's nothing really. A family heirloom, nothing more."
Post by: Okenido on May 09, 2009, 07:32:21 pm
That feather that's falling might be useful.
Take it, along with the object at the base of the tree...
Post by: Dragooble on May 09, 2009, 07:36:59 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on May 13, 2009, 11:58:11 am
Clock: "Taaake meee.
With me you shall prosper!
What's that you say? You fear the scavenger bird?
Fear him not.
Taaaake me, regardless of quinsoqonces!"
Post by: Dragooble on May 19, 2009, 09:49:37 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 25, 2009, 12:50:21 pm
*John reobtains His Prescription (Daily pill taken)
John tries to take the clock.
No.
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1365/clockbad.png)
Let's...not do that again.
*sigh*
"Fine, lead me out, clock man."
John follows the bird.
...
Two hours later...
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5647/ninth.png)
Scavenger Bird: "Why have you stopped? We're almost there..."
John: "The bodies."
Scavenger Bird:
"A traveler may become lost, hungry, and tired.
They wander off the set paths, and then, they die.
It means more for us, Scavenger! To feast upon death and decay.
We thrive on treachery, John. The eternal lie inflicted upon others.
We have no need to work or fight. We simply wait. Only the failures try. Only the losers trust.
Will you follow me further?"
Inventory:
Apple (x1 teeth)
Prescription (Daily pill taken)
Post by: Servant Corps on May 25, 2009, 12:53:46 pm
Post by: Okenido on May 25, 2009, 01:01:08 pm
Examine the body for anything useful, and take the feathers.
Post by: Org on May 25, 2009, 01:02:03 pm
Post by: Armok on May 26, 2009, 05:09:48 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on May 26, 2009, 02:07:34 pm
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on May 26, 2009, 02:16:31 pm
((I'm tearing out my hair at this end. At least it keeps the story Fun. Most of the stuff that's happened was due to what the readers suggested. I had no idea it would turn out this... disturbing.))((At this point it has become less of a forum game and more of a very immersive story,I'm enjoying it alot so far.))
Post by: Myroc on May 26, 2009, 03:40:35 pm
((I'm tearing out my hair at this end. At least it keeps the story Fun. Most of the stuff that's happened was due to what the readers suggested. I had no idea it would turn out this... disturbing.))((This is the Bay12Games forum. What did you expect?))
Post by: Armok on May 27, 2009, 01:09:38 am
((This is the Bay12Games forum. What did you expect?))This.
Also, I find this story very deep-feeling, kinda like The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy or Alice in Wonderland. Very good, and the visual style fits it.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 26, 2009, 10:42:12 pm
John keeps walking along with the bird.
*Four hours later*
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3541/moundsofbodies.png)
John: "I... don't feel comfortable with this."
Bird: ...
John: "We are going to the tower, aren't we?"
Bird: "Heh... heh... Ha ha ha haha!"
*The scavenger birds all round start laughing horribly. The clock-bird accosts John:
"The mounds, of bodies,
are of, your kin.
Behold! The inevitable fate.
That awaits, your kind.
Not death, not failure,
but insignificance.
One amongst billions of lost souls!
All are the same,
None are special.
So you rely on paranoia!
The intelligent ones go mad from fear.
You see scavengers behind every corner,
and are unconvinced of our existence.
You let us tear at you,
mislead you,
with your very own senses.
You trust us. You are kind to us,
and in turn, we exploit you!
The truth is, that the truth is terrible.
There exists no future, no tower, no goal.
Our world is dead,
and you killed it.
We will forever feast upon your guilt.
Your failure.
Goodbye, little blind one.
For I have waited for you to die.
Listen to my poison,
And lie beneath red sky.
Post by: Okenido on June 26, 2009, 10:51:44 pm
The corpses must hold something valuable.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 26, 2009, 10:53:50 pm
And millions of your precious feathers.
Everything else has been picked clean.
Post by: Okenido on June 27, 2009, 01:12:59 am
The mountains are nothing but skin, or we don't have the patience to look through a few.
Very well... Continue on with your travels, in a random direction, as the scavenger seems to only be intent on desecrating our corpse for we have created a hell.
Post by: Armok on June 30, 2009, 03:46:17 am
Post by: Solifuge on June 30, 2009, 04:01:46 am
Break that Clock with your Bone-Cudgel, forthwith!
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 30, 2009, 08:17:09 am
Post by: Myroc on June 30, 2009, 10:27:57 am
Post by: Dragooble on June 30, 2009, 12:04:52 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on July 21, 2009, 03:36:42 pm
Fill your mind, your soul, your self, whit a hatred of these beings until your eyes grow indecadent red, then launch yourself at this bird and strangle it until it no longer moves.
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1227/change.png)
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7750/defyclock.png)
(http://i28.tinypic.com/2n9j2i8.jpg)
(http://i28.tinypic.com/jj4oox.jpg)
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3844/asylum1.png)
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/692/asylum2.png)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9738/asylum3.png)
Conversation initiated!
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7750/defyclock.png)
(http://i28.tinypic.com/2n9j2i8.jpg)
(http://i28.tinypic.com/jj4oox.jpg)
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3844/asylum1.png)
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/692/asylum2.png)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9738/asylum3.png)
Conversation initiated!
Post by: Dragooble on July 21, 2009, 03:50:51 pm
Post by: theevilmonk on July 21, 2009, 04:06:17 pm
Post by: Dragooble on July 21, 2009, 04:08:53 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on July 21, 2009, 04:22:23 pm
"John, if you are unwilling to speak, we can't help you. You want to end the pain, don't you? Without your cooperation, I fear your condition may worsen."
He sighs, and makes a tick on his clipboard.
"Just remember, John, that your mania is not who you are. If you just opened up to us a little, we could treat your trauma. Now please, let us continue our discussion of last week. You mentioned something about a tower..."
Post by: Dragooble on July 21, 2009, 04:26:45 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on July 21, 2009, 04:28:57 pm
Post by: Dragooble on July 21, 2009, 04:33:59 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on July 21, 2009, 04:37:53 pm
"A nameless tower, you say? Does that imply foreboding to you, John? Or nonexistence?"
Post by: Dragooble on July 21, 2009, 04:43:58 pm
but if it helps, when you asked the location of the nameless tower from a denizen of the dreamworld, you were told "it doesn't matter". also, for some reason, hats seem to be a prevailing theme in these dreams.
Post by: Myroc on July 21, 2009, 05:53:41 pm
Post by: Armok on July 22, 2009, 02:19:36 am
THIS is dream, THAT was reality.
Post by: Myroc on July 22, 2009, 03:44:04 am
Post by: zchris13 on July 22, 2009, 12:33:05 pm
Post by: Okenido on July 22, 2009, 01:05:36 pm
Question the man about how long you've slept.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on July 24, 2009, 11:13:41 am
The man smirks, as if laughing at an inside joke.
"On the contrary, John, it is through repetition that one's mind fully reveals itself, warts and all. But I can sense that you are stalling for time, which we simply don't have. I don't want to pressure you into revealing your inner workings to us at once, however. Feel free to take as long as you please. And by all means, repeat yourself."
John: "How long have I slept?"
"About eight hours now. In a few minutes, I'll have to end our little chat. It's almost time for your dosage."
Post by: Myroc on July 24, 2009, 11:40:10 am
Do we still have them pills on us?
Post by: The Mad Engineer on July 24, 2009, 11:45:31 am
Besides, as you can see in the last statement, the nice man is going to give you some sort of medicine anyway...
Post by: Nirur Torir on July 24, 2009, 12:13:49 pm
Post by: Dragooble on July 24, 2009, 12:51:47 pm
Ask about the significance of being called Scavenger, and why everybody thinks you've destroyed the world.
Post by: Armok on July 24, 2009, 01:14:36 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on July 29, 2009, 02:53:20 pm
Ask about the significance of being called Scavenger, and why everybody thinks you've destroyed the world.
"Wh--what?!"
The man looks flustered.
Calmly, he asks, "John, why don't we proceed with your dosage?"
DANCE!
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5370/asylum4.png)
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7900/asylum5.png)
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6097/asylum6.png)
"My name is Pier. What's yours?"(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7900/asylum5.png)
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6097/asylum6.png)
Conversation initiated!
Post by: woose1 on July 29, 2009, 02:55:51 pm
Post by: Dragooble on July 29, 2009, 09:20:44 pm
Finally. I have my preferred means of communications back. That "computer" thing was such a hassle. Now listen to me John. this boy "Pier" seems to bear many scars of past battles and you would probably benefit from his elderly wisdom. it looks like war has already destroyed the other boy next to you. Do not trust that man John. things are not what they seem here. now i think you can escape and i think i can guide you. We need more information though! the best path to defeating your enemy is knowing your enemy. introduce yourself to the boy next to you and ask just what this place is. you should also ask what happened to the other boy. for now i don't think we should consume anything in here as opposed to what my companion said. consume nothing, and carry on with your interrogation of this boy.
WAIT! that poster back in that mans office. where have I seen that before? oh well... it probably doesn't have anything to do with the current situation at hand.
Post by: Okenido on July 29, 2009, 10:02:53 pm
Tell Pier your name, and ask what the effects of the pills are.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 02, 2009, 07:01:38 pm
Pier: "The red one is to help you sleep. The blue is to stop your dreams. Yellow helps our keepers sleep. Green...
green makes you what the keepers see. They make you sad, so they can cure you.
What are you here for?"
Post by: theevilmonk on August 02, 2009, 07:12:14 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 02, 2009, 07:16:54 pm
You want to end the conversation, then?
Post by: Jack_Bread on August 02, 2009, 07:17:36 pm
Also, ask him what they do if you take them all at once.
Post by: Okenido on August 02, 2009, 07:20:22 pm
Tell him that it's because they believe you're hallucinating.
Also ask him about these "keepers".
Post by: Dragooble on August 02, 2009, 07:21:36 pm
john, ask this boy who these "keepers are*. then ask him why it would be bad to be cured. also tell him about your dreams in a fashion that least gives the feeling you are a nuthouse. you have yt to ask what that boy who says he isn't broken is about. also ask about the kid with the eye-patch
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 02, 2009, 07:33:38 pm
Pier: "The keepers are our old friends here. The doctors. The guards. They are here to make sure we behave."
John: "Then what's so bad about being cured?"
Pier *glaring slightly at nothing* : "Haven't you read the signs? They want us to be happy. To be normal. To stop interrupting everyone's perfect lives. To stop crying at the sound of the clock. To stop choking on the factory fumes, and consume them like everyone else."
John: "I...I dreamt last night. About a field of bodies."
Pier: "Yes. They are called the Badlands. I would rather not return, but we all must, sooner or later...
Where do you think I got these scars? Every night, the birds come to me. The doctor thinks they're self-inflicted."
Post by: Dragooble on August 02, 2009, 07:35:47 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 02, 2009, 07:37:42 pm
Pier: "Every day, they change what pill does what. One of us tests it to find the sadness pill. Today was Tourniquets' turn."
Post by: Dragooble on August 02, 2009, 07:39:11 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 02, 2009, 07:47:59 pm
"They live off our failure. But they exist only in dreams. Remember that, when one of the keepers ask you."
Post by: Dragooble on August 02, 2009, 07:51:19 pm
hey, wait a minute john. why would they give YOU a pill that makes THEM sleep? awful suspicious if you ask me. ask this boy about that.
hey wait a few more minutes john. you should ask this boy about the clock that was hanging around that birds neck. and if there is any noticeable pattern that the keepers switch the pills around in.
Post by: Dragooble on August 06, 2009, 11:20:41 pm
Post by: Dragooble on September 05, 2009, 03:56:47 pm
Post by: Dragooble on September 19, 2009, 07:15:43 pm
Post by: kholhaus on September 19, 2009, 09:47:14 pm
Overdrive II by IOSYS?
Yes. That's the one.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on September 22, 2009, 10:24:52 pm
*Connects lightning leads*
LIVE! LIVE!
...
Now where were we? Oh right, the boy in scratches...
Pier: "What I meant by ?the pills that make the overseers sleep?, is that it makes us easier to handle. Lets them rest easier.
I fear we cannot talk any longer, John. The orderly is approaching our table. Just remember, sanity is what's important. Do not let them convince you of anything! They lie!"
Conversation ended!
Orderly (glaring):"That's quite enough, Pier. You go through this every day. The poor child is suffering from acute amnesia, you know that! Stop torturing the poor thing! John, come with me!"
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6590/walkback.png)
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6483/nochrearrival.png)
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2uiwyo0.jpg)
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(http://i35.tinypic.com/2uiwyo0.jpg)
Conversation initiated
Hmmmm... It looks like John's dancing paid off. But what should John make of this new actor? It is up to you, voices in John's head.
(Sorry for the delays, planning something big...)
Post by: Dragooble on September 22, 2009, 10:27:07 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on September 22, 2009, 10:39:11 pm
I am here to harm your soul, and in turn, enlighten your mind.
I am the terrible truth, and for now I shall serve as your guide.
Now you shall ask me a question.
It is the question that has bothere you since you encountered the snail.
What is the Question?"
Post by: Squeegy on September 22, 2009, 11:04:12 pm
Post by: Luke_Prowler on September 22, 2009, 11:36:24 pm
This looks nothing like the place. Are you sure you have the right mind?
I probably did better than you could have, Bloat
"Bloat"? If you're going insult me, at least think of a good name
Like you did with
SH-SHUT UP! That was a one time thing!
What are you guys going? I can hear you from over here
Nothing of your concern
Just a little exploring
And what are you "exploring"?
We have no idea...
Post by: NUKE9.13 on September 23, 2009, 01:50:21 am
What should I do next
Who is the rainbow snail?
Should I trust the rainbow snail?
What is a cat?
Seriously what the hell nobody seems to be a cat but I have not seen a real cat this whole time. Do they even exist?
Post by: Myroc on September 23, 2009, 01:31:59 pm
...oh right, it wants to know a question. Hm...
Try "What is the purpose of all this?"
Post by: Armok on September 23, 2009, 02:34:53 pm
- Is the people you come on behalf of the rat people, the scavenger people, the John people, or some other people?
- IS there even a metaphysical bottom to this whole thing?
- can you supply an exhaustive summary of the temporal and reality layering structure f this whole mess, pontifically if there are several Johns or a single one that got/is/will be involved in a stable time loop?
- do god(s) exist?
- do magic exists, and if not what are all the things that look like magic, if it does exist, does in follow any rules?"
- The best wishes, your common sense.
Post by: Dragooble on September 23, 2009, 03:14:57 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on September 23, 2009, 05:40:20 pm
John: "What is the purpose of all this?"
Obsession:
"Heh. Before you can decipher that, you must first understand what "all this" is.
It is a figment of your imagination, John.
All you have encountered thus far has sprung fully formed from your twisted mind.
We are all but a reflection of your underlying psychosis.
The apple, the angel, the scavenger birds, ... and the math exams you thought you were taking.
All are merely symbols of yourself."
"Yes I do require assistance;
- Is the people you come on behalf of the rat people, the scavenger people, the John people, or some other people?
- IS there even a metaphysical bottom to this whole thing?
- can you supply an exhaustive summary of the temporal and reality layering structure f this whole mess, pontifically if there are several Johns or a single one that got/is/will be involved in a stable time loop?
- do god(s) exist?
- do magic exists, and if not what are all the things that look like magic, if it does exist, does in follow any rules?"
- The best wishes, your common sense.
“Oh, John, you jest. You assume that I’m just going to lay down all the facts for you? That I’d even make an effort to tell the truth?!
I’m not on your side, John. None of us are. Some are just less angry with you than others.
At least, that’s what I’m telling you.
You want to know what the “metaphysical bottom” is? You think that there is a place to go back to? That you even have a home to return to? That this is simply a nightmare to forget?
Well, let me ask you this. If you ever do “wake up”, how do you know you have truly done so?
For in the end, there are only two things you can be certain of. You think, therefore you are…”
Post by: Dragooble on September 23, 2009, 05:42:28 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on September 24, 2009, 03:16:16 am
John
You need your demonic eye crown first and foremost
You must close your eyes and think about your crown being on your head. Really, really hard. Imagine the hard spikiness and the waves of pure evil that pulse through it. You must imagine the orderlies being all like: Oh noes john what are you doing?
You must imagine the weight pressing down on your neck. You must imagine your head tipping forwards, the crown slipping off. You must imagine the sound of it hitting the floor. You must imagine reaching out and grabbing it before it rolls away.
Then you must imagine opening your eyes and still having the crown.
You probably shouldn't actually open your eyes.
That might have negative effects.
Post by: Armok on September 24, 2009, 06:01:43 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on September 24, 2009, 09:36:04 pm
"HAH! Just because this world is contained within your demented mind, you think that you have control over it? You forget, John, that there are two things one can be certain of, that you exist, and that something else exists too.
You cannot anticipate what is to come. Therefore, there is something else - an Other, if you will. Whether that something else is the ordered universe with multiple conscious entities that you always have assumed, a machine feeding you an illusion, or even a shut off portion of your own subconscious mind, it is something you cannot predict, or control. What’s more, the ever-larger question is the PURPOSE of this other.
Is it here to teach you something? Or to torture you?
Welcome to the wonderful reality of Tock.
It is up to you to find out what resides in the tower. But first, you must escape this place, and return to the field of bodies. And it so happens I know a way…"
Post by: Dragooble on September 24, 2009, 09:39:40 pm
Post by: Dragooble on November 15, 2009, 07:49:44 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on November 15, 2009, 08:15:57 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 07, 2009, 03:04:26 pm
Wow! What a party! The plot was there and everything! But I just can't shake the feeling that I forgot something...
Oh right. The story.
Ugh, I know you guys probably enjoy this crudely drawn black and white nigh-linear nightmare we find ourselves in as much as I do, but it is a neccessary nuisance. You see, this part of the story symbolizes... something or other. I forget. It's been a long time.
Anyway, onward to glory (and hopefully out of this dreary non-crayony blah world)!!
-------------------------------------
The obsession, after a very long dramatic pause that seemed like an eternity, looked up at the sound of footsteps.
“They are coming, John. I must make this quicker than I anticipated. To see this place for what it is, you need three things…
First, the blood of an enemy. Second, the sight of an innocent. And last, the death of a friend! I believe you should be able to see which is which…”
And with that, he vanished, and the door to the cell creaked open:
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1311/almostthere.png)
John: “What’s wrong?”
Orderly: “Come with me.”
(http://i47.tinypic.com/fe14w7.jpg)
“John, I’m afraid that you did not listen to me as well as I hoped. I warned you of trying to resist your treatment. I explained the ramifications of going through the healing process unwillingly.
You see, we have gained awareness of your reluctance to take your medicine. Do you know how dangerous it is to only take three of the four pills? Do you know what it could do to your already unstable mind?
Fortunately for you, we have in our possession a… depressant that does the same job. It will end your hallucinations for a very long time, and set you back on the road to recovery…”
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What should John do?
Post by: Armok on December 07, 2009, 03:19:48 pm
> Find an inocent, claw his eyes out to, look throguth them.
> Find friend, kill friend.
((Also: Wooo! This is alive again!! :D ))
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 07, 2009, 03:39:30 pm
Post by: Servant Corps on December 07, 2009, 03:41:37 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 07, 2009, 03:47:51 pm
Request for your legal guardian now. If they do not do so, threaten a lawsuit. As you are a child, you cannot legally provide "informed consent" to this treatment.
"Your parents are dead, John. You killed them, and no one knows you're here. No one cares.
Now then, we shall take a blood sample for posterity, and then administer treatment."
Post by: Servant Corps on December 07, 2009, 03:52:18 pm
Request for your legal guardian now. If they do not do so, threaten a lawsuit. As you are a child, you cannot legally provide "informed consent" to this treatment.
"Your parents are dead, John. You killed them, and no one knows you're here. No one cares.
Now then, we shall take a blood sample for posterity, and then administer treatment."
(OOC: We made progress! :P)
Post by: Myroc on December 07, 2009, 04:24:08 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 07, 2009, 04:45:21 pm
"You do not see things for what they are! If you are allowed to think what you will, this place will come tumbling down upon us! Without general consensus, there cannot be a reality! Without happiness, there cannot be a society! This world is a utopia, and you complain of smoke that isn't there!"
Post by: Luke_Prowler on December 07, 2009, 05:32:40 pm
*slow clap* bravo
good show
Thank you, thank you
Post by: Dragooble on December 07, 2009, 07:56:18 pm
>grab the syringe out of his hand and start walking menacingly towards him. say "Now this will only hurt until your brains come flying out."
EDIT: And just what is this inconvenience you speak of? if it's the hiatus then why is it necessary? Does that have anything to do with the symbolism?
Post by: Dragooble on December 09, 2009, 06:00:22 pm
Post by: Armok on December 09, 2009, 06:13:39 pm
Alternatively, "If this is truly a utopia then why is this place necessary? why do people like me still remain?"
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 11, 2009, 04:22:39 pm
The man looks poised to counterretort. He blinks once behind his thick spectacles, and slowly lowers the syringe. He looks back at the gaudy poster behind him forlornly...Alternatively, "If this is truly a utopia then why is this place necessary? why do people like me still remain?"
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6456/end1d.png)
Post by: Armok on December 11, 2009, 04:33:16 pm
Post by: Dragooble on December 11, 2009, 04:53:47 pm
Quick! Grab the syringe and stab it into his spinal cord!
Post by: Myroc on December 11, 2009, 04:57:11 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on December 11, 2009, 05:22:36 pm
Post by: Dragooble on December 11, 2009, 05:59:04 pm
Post by: Servant Corps on December 11, 2009, 11:03:10 pm
Post by: Luke_Prowler on December 12, 2009, 02:02:48 am
You are already a criminal. He said it yourself, you killed your parents. So one more murder wouldn't hurt.How do we know he's telling the truth?
Post by: Servant Corps on December 12, 2009, 02:08:01 am
You are already a criminal. He said it yourself, you killed your parents. So one more murder wouldn't hurt.How do we know he's telling the truth?
Why would he lie? Even villains have morals.
Post by: Luke_Prowler on December 12, 2009, 02:26:03 am
You are already a criminal. He said it yourself, you killed your parents. So one more murder wouldn't hurt.How do we know he's telling the truth?
Why would he lie? Even villains have morals.
It seem more villainous to tell us that we killed our parents.
If we live through this, we should ask the others to if they got the same story.
Post by: Eidalac on December 12, 2009, 02:40:58 am
That dude is a bird. Totally.
The thing to do would be some stabbing with that needle. Air int he blood, it's not good mojo.
But, it's all cool if you ain't up for that, just grab the needle and dash.
See John run, man.
believe in me
Post by: Myroc on December 12, 2009, 04:05:37 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 13, 2009, 11:11:26 am
Quick! Grab the syringe and stab it into his spinal cord!
John: Attack!
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8748/end2t.png)
John: Quick attack!
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/931/end3.png)
Him: Counterattack!
John: Countercounterattack!
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9819/end4.png)
Battle end.
(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5341/end5.png)
Obtained: Blood of the enemy. Possibly the sight of an innocent...
Post by: Armok on December 13, 2009, 01:16:17 pm
Post by: Eidalac on December 14, 2009, 09:47:14 am
Wow.
Freaky eyes man. Way freaky.
But, like, bird-dude is going to be right up all over us. and stuff.
So, like, maybe talk and run?
I think we can pull that off?
Yeah, of course we can. I think.
Rise.
Post by: Siquo on December 14, 2009, 10:49:56 am
Take his glasses! His glasses are his sight! Then Dance, Dance and kill your friend, the appearing rat.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 14, 2009, 02:45:28 pm
Hug the BOY! HUG HIM!! NOW!!!(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8664/end6.png)
Post by: Myroc on December 14, 2009, 02:53:39 pm
Post by: Luke_Prowler on December 14, 2009, 02:56:09 pm
Oh us, there he goes...he's going to be like that all day
Who's the other kid?
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 14, 2009, 03:02:00 pm
That being said, thanks for your readership and suggestions. They really give me some great ideas :D
Post by: Siquo on December 14, 2009, 03:07:08 pm
Storm to Pier's room! To the rescue!
Post by: Armok on December 14, 2009, 03:39:52 pm
(by the way, I love this story, it's like MSPA except serous and artsy instead of comic. seriusly, it's beyond quality.)
Post by: Eidalac on December 15, 2009, 09:09:50 am
Man.
Gota, like, help a bro out.
Reap.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 15, 2009, 10:07:38 pm
(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7527/end7.png)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2521/end8.png)
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They are the Scavenger Birds! We are in the Fields!
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(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/7315/end11.png)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/8wh8j4.jpg)
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(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2521/end8.png)
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3814/end9.png)
They are the Scavenger Birds! We are in the Fields!
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5162/end10.png)
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/7315/end11.png)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/8wh8j4.jpg)
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Conversation initiated!
Post by: Dragooble on December 15, 2009, 10:22:11 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 15, 2009, 10:30:34 pm
...
But it cannot end with you hanging from a rope."
Post by: Armok on December 16, 2009, 03:59:56 pm
"How do I stop these terible things from happening? Also... What is real?"
Post by: Dragooble on December 16, 2009, 04:10:51 pm
Post by: Siquo on December 16, 2009, 04:37:30 pm
Also, not that Pier was/is 001. "we" were 179.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 16, 2009, 08:28:22 pm
"What is real?"That’s a good question, Scavenger. One I doubt you will ever find the answer to. You are real, as you can think and feel. We can be sure of that. So is something else, to account for the unknown. We can be sure of that, too. Everything else is an uncertainty, one that has haunted your mind since you broke past the Grey Veil and created your own world.
It has led to many questions, like the logical Reason for morality, and the Reason Why.
So what you're trying to say is that endless fields of dead bodies are an everyday occurrence here?They are not dead, John. They are sleeping, as you were a moment ago, trapped in the Graylands. They cannot die, for they are mindlings. If they were truly dead as you know death to be, they would be, like me, on their way to the Afterlands. Only a few can truly kill or destroy (You being one of them), and the worst the Birds can do is to damage memory.
This is the same field as before. You have merely awakened from the darkness They inflicted upon you. We will leave this place soon.
…
You should not have followed the birds, yet you do so every time...
"How do I stop these terible things from happening?I don’t know, John. It’s the question that has plagued me for all my existence. I live on only with the hope that once you have Risen yet again, you will choose not to Fall. It is You that has decided to repeat history. Time does not repeat along with it, and the universe grows old and tired. You gain clarity at your last moments, yet you never are able to defeat your own corruption. Maybe this time will be different. Maybe I will never have to rescue you again.
"Are you a part of me?"We are all a part of you, John. But that doesn’t mean that we are the same. I am the third of your creations, I believe. I was the first to be cast away into the Graylands during your rebellion against Belief. You were the last, the 179th. And once I reach the Afterlands, I will again be sent back to the Field of Bodies as punishment.
Also, not that Pier was/is 001. "we" were 179.
You, however, do not remember, and your soul appears clean. They have limited memory themselves, and believe you only rebelled once. They will accept you back into their fold, especially once you complete what you are soon going to do...
But first, you must leave Tock behind. And to do so, you must get to the Nameless Tower.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 16, 2009, 08:54:54 pm
Listen to me, boy
He lies to you!
lies
dont
trust
THERAINBOWSNAIL
the eye sees us
SCAVENGER.
COGITO
ERGO
SUM
Post by: Dragooble on December 16, 2009, 09:15:07 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 16, 2009, 09:34:27 pm
Please tell us who the rainbow snail is! He's the one who got us into this mess, and we know absolutely nothing about him!
Scratches/Pier frowns.
"Funny. Despite all the changes in conversation over the years, that question remains constant.
Regretfully, it is the only question I do not know the answer to. I have no idea what you are talking about..."
Post by: Luke_Prowler on December 16, 2009, 09:48:37 pm
Post by: Siquo on December 17, 2009, 04:14:49 am
I wonder why.
Ask him how to get to the tower, and what the tower is or represents. And why it hasn't been named.
Post by: Myroc on December 17, 2009, 08:47:30 am
Post by: Armok on December 17, 2009, 09:29:21 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 22, 2009, 05:08:27 pm
I feel like being in the Architect's room in the Matrix.The tower hasn't been named because it doesn't deserve one. It can hardly be called a tower in the first place. It has a clock, but the clock has no hands. It has walls, but no windows or doors. It has a city around it, but the city itself has no soul.
I wonder why.
Ask him how to get to the tower, and what the tower is or represents. And why it hasn't been named.
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7045/darkcity.png)
To get to the tower, get to the city. Retake it from the evil that has overcome it in your absence.
I would love to talk longer with you John, but the archons of belief would hardly take you as their own if they sensed any contact from me, or from your past memories.
I must leave you now."
And with that, Scratches/Pier dissappeared into the yellow mist.
Post by: Myroc on December 22, 2009, 06:29:11 pm
Post by: Siquo on December 23, 2009, 09:10:50 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 24, 2009, 11:11:52 am
Right then, you're on your own now, John. Check if you're still carrying around all that stuff you had before the previous incident.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/wvxzth.jpg)
And then... On to the city!
(http://i49.tinypic.com/350061d.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/foeus6.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/foeus6.jpg)
Post by: Luke_Prowler on December 24, 2009, 11:13:42 am
Post by: Dragooble on December 24, 2009, 01:03:40 pm
Post by: Myroc on December 24, 2009, 05:46:57 pm
Post by: Armok on December 24, 2009, 06:22:50 pm
Post by: Myroc on December 25, 2009, 05:46:19 am
Post by: Siquo on December 26, 2009, 03:40:02 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 09, 2010, 11:58:07 pm
*Talk to NPCs*John talks to the funny people in top hats. At any impuse, they immediately scream out:
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3789/sunshiner.png)
They do not appear to be capable of doing anything else.
More specifically that red girl in the Dark alleyway.John decides to approach the dark figure in the alleyway. But as soon as he does, she runs off! John pursues her:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/k0su85.jpg)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/830/secondmeeting.png)
Conversation initiated!
Post by: Luke_Prowler on January 10, 2010, 12:16:34 am
A what?
No-win situation
Oh
What if he just talks to her?
And how has that worked out so far?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 10, 2010, 12:51:49 am
dismiss the thought of murder
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 10, 2010, 12:56:55 am
John: "Wait! I'm not all that bad of a guy!"
Runaway: "Um... You tear off my arm, gouge out my eye, and erase half of my memories, leaving only a few behind, and you say that you're NOT a bad person?!"
John: "I'm totally not gonna kill you!"
Runaway: "What do you mean, you're not going to kill me? That's not what they told me! That's not what I remember of you!"
Post by: Luke_Prowler on January 10, 2010, 01:12:08 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 10, 2010, 01:15:18 am
I can tell."
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 10, 2010, 01:25:07 am
Smile.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 10, 2010, 11:11:49 am
"Why are you here, Scavenger King?"
Post by: Luke_Prowler on January 10, 2010, 12:53:41 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 10, 2010, 01:23:22 pm
[Elvis impersonation]"lets just say an old friend told me to drop by, uh huh"[/Elvis impersonation]This.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 10, 2010, 02:04:08 pm
[Elvis impersonation]"lets just say an old friend told me to drop by, uh huh"[/Elvis impersonation]
"You're an asshole, you know that?"
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 10, 2010, 02:09:04 pm
"Yeah, I know."
Shrug.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 10, 2010, 02:41:38 pm
"Look, um... as long as you're NOT here to kill me, maybe I could help you with something? I've lived in this city for a long time. Maybe there's something that I can remember. Its a bit hazy, though. You really did screw up my mind."
Post by: Luke_Prowler on January 10, 2010, 02:48:42 pm
"You're an asshole, you know that?"
"That does seem to be the general consensus, yes."
"Okay, here is the truth: I have no freaking idea what's going on. The only thing I really know is that I did something very, very bad, but I can't remember jack squat, no one's giving me any straight answers and the only lead I have is the "nameless tower". You probably know more than I do"
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 10, 2010, 04:17:01 pm
I remember fire! I remember... you, hurting me, killing our - my friend. I remember... it does not matter.
*FLASH!*
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4637/dreamw.png)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2wqzupy.jpg)
"*Ahem.* I do remember that the city is not a place for those who have forgotten. The Tower is not only the monolith that keeps watch over us, it is not only a testamount to uncertainty. It contains, within it, of it and encompassing it, a theory.
It is an obsession. An idea that you created, that keeps watch over the badlands and all of Tock. A theory cannot be killed, it can only be disproven. So far, no one has dared confront it.
You must be careful... John."
Post by: Armok on January 11, 2010, 09:24:27 am
"...
*gently*
I love you.
I still don't remember, but suddenly, I just know.
Who were we?
*suddenly angry, but not at her*
Damnit! I'm SICK of this! Not knowing who I am, what I am, what is real! All that I am... was? will be? Simply can not be the same person! There is something extremly wrong going on here, and I'm NOT going to put up with it! If that something is in some technical sense 'me' dosn't matter, I REFUSE to just be thrown around by the winds of destiny to harm inocentws, or even you of all peaple! I AM NOT GOING TO BECOME THE MONSTER I INEVITABLY WILL BECOME! If it is what is needed, I will kill myself to avoid that fate, althou I doubt that in this twisted world that will have much of an effect...
*breaks down sobbing*
I'm so sorry, is there no way at all I can help you?"
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 11, 2010, 10:47:17 am
Let it be known that the situation you are in has an escape. Although it seems you are doomed to monstrocity, and alone in this wretched world of ruin, the truth is that there is a path to a greater ascention. Reality was never meant to break you down with its cruelties forged of dark rules. It was always the mind that was to transform reality, and create such wonders as have never been seen. The path to ascention is there, obscured by the shadows of a ruined world, master yourself and find the road. The path to ascention is not created, merely explored. Take this poor shattered one, and remind her of the wonders that should be, rather then the horrors that are, and maybe then the dark places of the world shall begin to shrink at your approach. Firstly, you must begin with the tower, and end with it. There are no bricks and mortar in it's design. What you cannot do with your body, you must accomplish with your mind and soul. Tear down the tower, and no matter how sweetly the darkness sings to you, and no matter how bright the light burns, remember that the dawn brings life and warmth, and that it is always darkest just before it comes. This is the Sphinx, signing off.
-and may enigma take you where dogma cannot.
Post by: Myroc on January 11, 2010, 05:28:22 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 11, 2010, 06:09:13 pm
((Wow, I would have responded to this much earlier if i weren't muted, this thing is just amazing. You are a masterful artist, Mad Engineer.))She pulls away from John.
"...
*gently*
I love you.
I still don't remember, but suddenly, I just know.
Who were we?
*suddenly angry, but not at her*
Damnit! I'm SICK of this! Not knowing who I am, what I am, what is real! All that I am... was? will be? Simply can not be the same person! There is something extremly wrong going on here, and I'm NOT going to put up with it! If that something is in some technical sense 'me' dosn't matter, I REFUSE to just be thrown around by the winds of destiny to harm inocentws, or even you of all peaple! I AM NOT GOING TO BECOME THE MONSTER I INEVITABLY WILL BECOME! If it is what is needed, I will kill myself to avoid that fate, althou I doubt that in this twisted world that will have much of an effect...
*breaks down sobbing*
I'm so sorry, is there no way at all I can help you?"
Crying hysterically: “This wasn’t meant to happen! You… you were supposed to be dark! They told me that you would try to kill me! That I would finally be able to confront you for what you have done. But you aren’t that person! You forgot! You forgot ME! You forgot ANGEL! You forgot SCRATCHES! And now you are here, as you were in the beginning of my memories.
If you want to help me, prove to me that you’re really true. Destroy the theory that you placed upon the throne of MY city. Do that, and then you can’t possibly be lying. Free the mindlings under Tock’s sway. And let the scavenger birds die!”
Crying, she grabs the scythe, and runs blindly away from John.
Conversation ended!
What do you want John to do?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 11, 2010, 06:21:07 pm
Squint.
Post by: Armok on January 11, 2010, 06:58:49 pm
> Head toward the tower at a rapid pace.
> Oh, and be CAUTIOUS, look out for any sign of yourself changing, and avoid them very carefully.
Edit: ((Oh, and I simply must remark again: this is truly, utterly beautiful, this scene is among the most romantic and tragic things I've ever read.))
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 11, 2010, 09:02:13 pm
((I love how I'm becoming a voice of reason-ish thing. Logic is fun sometimes!
Also, I haven't been this much into a story since I first played Morrowind.))
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 11, 2010, 09:47:00 pm
Now, let it be know that ordinarially we would not take such a direct hand here, but the truth of the matter is that you seem to be so thouroughly shattered that you lack descision-making faculties of your own, relying on the myraid phantasms of your mind. In any case, we believe that the course of action that would be most beneficial at this point would be to find our way to that dark edifice that is the tower. However, first, try to follow the broken one. This is the sphinx, signing off.
-May enigma take you where dogma cannot.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 12, 2010, 03:31:47 pm
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1963/approach0.png)
An army approaches Tock, aka The Dark City, aka The Medicated City, aka The City of Light. They are fearful of the tower’s vengeance, and its power over the city they would otherwise easily overrun. But their mad king has urged them forth, and they await his command.
The lost god of dreams has purified the Greylands – for the time being. As was promised by the leader of that dreary place, the arguments shall be made soon enough. He walks through the streets that once belonged to them, preparing to do battle.
His fallen creation runs away, as she has been known to do. But the war shall follow her, and she will soon be forced to abandon her eternal exodus.
As this is happing, it has happened before, and I assure you,
(http://i46.tinypic.com/11rqa14.jpg)
It will occur again!
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/2525/approach2.png)
Recursion.
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2928/approach3.png)
And so, my dear creator, I have one thing left to say before we begin:
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6083/dreamsofindustry.png)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/10zqypy.jpg)
An army approaches Tock, aka The Dark City, aka The Medicated City, aka The City of Light. They are fearful of the tower’s vengeance, and its power over the city they would otherwise easily overrun. But their mad king has urged them forth, and they await his command.
The lost god of dreams has purified the Greylands – for the time being. As was promised by the leader of that dreary place, the arguments shall be made soon enough. He walks through the streets that once belonged to them, preparing to do battle.
His fallen creation runs away, as she has been known to do. But the war shall follow her, and she will soon be forced to abandon her eternal exodus.
As this is happing, it has happened before, and I assure you,
(http://i46.tinypic.com/11rqa14.jpg)
It will occur again!
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/2525/approach2.png)
Recursion.
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2928/approach3.png)
And so, my dear creator, I have one thing left to say before we begin:
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6083/dreamsofindustry.png)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/10zqypy.jpg)
Dreams of Industry: “1st Argument!: This city is happy, artificially so. The purpose of existence is happiness, and thus we are utopia!
Critical Substantiation: Through the wonders of medicine, provided by Gleejoy, we have found the cure for sadness. There is no need for health, aesthetics, society: Our citizens are eternally ecstatic.
Rhetorical Jab!: And you wish to end that?”
Ego: 100 <-70?> John is in hypothetical danger! Turn the debate around!
Post by: Myroc on January 12, 2010, 03:53:54 pm
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 12, 2010, 04:00:31 pm
Eidolonic defense: "Open your eyes! This city is in pain, from top to bottom it years for death, though constrained by a smiling mask, a mere glance reveals it's rotted core!"
Avataric Counter-Assault: "The purpose of existence is not happiness, it is survival, plain and simple. This universe is cold and dying, through enlightenment new paths open, paths that may lead to the reversal of entropy, which if left unopposed shall grind all to nothing. Enlightenment requires truth, and the truth leaves deep scars, indicators of what is lost, and inspirers of ever greater deeds, that aid us in our survival."
Quintissential Dissertation: "Sadness is nesserary. It is what tells us of what we have lost, and what we have to lose, but from it arises the urge to escape its grip, the will to move onwards and upwards. Without it, we shall fall to the endless march, and be crushed beneath the heels of the universe."
Socratic Finisher: "Yes, for our survival, for the survival of all. It must fall."
This is the sphinx, and may this conflict be won through by the light of pure reason.
-May enigma take you where dogma cannot.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 12, 2010, 04:10:09 pm
The arguments strike into the heart of the theory!
Id: 100 <-50?>
Dreams of Industry: "Counterretort!:If the purpose of existence is survival, then there is no need for you to fight. Simply wait until the next recursion. The repetition of history ensures that entropy is reversed, and that the universe never ends. In the meantime, we can be happy. There is no difference, chemically, between seratonin from an accomplishment, and that from a pill.
Nihilistic support!: All accomplishment is rendered useless, all reason is false in the end. "I am Ozymandius, King of Kings!" you say, but all I see are the remnants of a statue in the sand.
The damage is brushed aside!
Critical Literary allusion! Hypothetical damage x2!
Ego: 100 <-140?> Alert! Alert! Mental breakdown imminent!
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 12, 2010, 04:22:47 pm
EMERGENCY COUNTER-DEFENSE: "The cycle is breaking, even you can see the ways in which it twists each iteration, each time the pattern of reality repeats it frays, more and more. New ones must be knit, before it all begins to come apart. This way lies death and decay, see it all around you, for you are not blind. There is a difference between the happiness of the acomplishment and the one of the pill. The acomplishment itself is just a carrot dangling from the stick. It is the journey that matters. Along the road, you find new horizons, new experiences, new ways of thought and enlightenment. The destination is unimportant, the journey is what matters."
NILHISTIC DENIAL: "Ah, but what of Moore? Vedit's plan may have been all for nought, but what was there were merely inferences. His plan may have succeeded in the finale, Roarshach was a loon, and a know psychopath, the only people who would believe him were the ones least able to act. The universe may be cold, but the light of reason can show the path to a shattering of such boundaries, a utopia where all minds can carve out their own, and entropy would at last, fade. Humanity has always acted in it's own self interest, but sometimes it doesn't know what that is." (Double literary referensing! Watchmen and Rousseau!)
The path to ascention is not created, merely explored.
Post by: Luke_Prowler on January 12, 2010, 04:26:29 pm
You have not created happiness, you have turn they people into mindless drone! they blunder around, in a drunken hase, wishing that they could see the real world, rather that the psychedelic screen yo have put over their eyes. I see no utopia, I see a shell of a city
I don't see the point of the argument, I say just knock his head off.
(sorry I don't have the cool titles that you guys have)
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 12, 2010, 04:38:09 pm
Post by: Luke_Prowler on January 12, 2010, 04:49:11 pm
Ya, keep it under wraps, blood boy.
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 12, 2010, 04:53:15 pm
Post by: Luke_Prowler on January 12, 2010, 05:15:09 pm
And we call him him Light because it pisses him off.
I will not be associated with a cartoon character!
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 12, 2010, 05:18:10 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 12, 2010, 05:23:23 pm
Id: 60/100
Dreams of Industry: 2nd Argument!: None of the people in the city matter, anyway. Why is their well-being so important to you? The fact of the matter is, is that you can't be sure that any of this is real. They do not communicate with you. They cannot. I can.
That makes me a part of the Other, the part of creation that is not your concious mind. If you think about it, we are the only things in the world that matter. Everything else may as well be an illusion. There is no reason to help that which is not real.
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 12, 2010, 05:32:00 pm
CARTESIAN PINCER MOVEMENT: "Ah, the old 'Am I a man dreaming of a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming of a man' conundrum, is it? Well, your argument is self-defeating. If you are a part of my mind then so are they, if you represent something so do they. And if they do not, neither do you. Your assault predicates on the former, and thusly I must move to defend them, because they represent something vital that you wish to control.... ah, that is it! You are but a representation of an external factors influence, not part of me at all, or are you? Either way, they are important, for if they aren't neither are you, and you are just an epermeral phantasm of sand and wind, to be brushed aside. Now....
STAND ASIDE, OR FACE A FINAL DEFEAT, AND BE CAST AWAY."
Post by: Armok on January 12, 2010, 05:41:51 pm
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Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 12, 2010, 07:09:17 pm
They do not control you. They never will.
Post by: Armok on January 12, 2010, 07:48:35 pm
Quote from: Dreams of Industry
This city is happy, artificially so. The purpose of existence is happiness, and thus we are utopia!Combat opernadii; Deconstruction:
Wikipedia defines Happiness as:
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Happiness is a state of mind or feeling characterized by contentment, love, satisfaction, pleasure, or joy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy).[1] A variety of philosophical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy), religious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion), psychological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology) and biological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology) approaches have striven to define happiness and identify its sources.Happiness is complex and has many facets, it's not as simple as the concentration of a certain chemical, but requires many different emotions, certain long term properties of ones actual life, and possibly spiritual components.
Philosophers and religious thinkers often define happiness in terms of living a good life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_good_life), or flourishing, rather than simply as an emotion. Happiness in this older sense was used to translate the Greek Eudaimonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudaimonia), and is still used in virtue ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_ethics).
While direct measurement of happiness presents challenges, tools such as The Oxford Happiness Questionnaire (http://www.meaningandhappiness.com/oxford-happiness-questionnaire/214/) have been developed by researchers. Positive psychology researchers use theoretical models that include describing happiness as consisting of positive emotions and positive activities, or that describe three kinds of happiness: pleasure, engagement, and meaning.
Research has identified a number of attributes that correlate with happiness: relationships and social interaction, extraversion, marital status, employment, health, democratic freedom, optimism, religious involvement, income and proximity to other happy people.
Happiness economics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happiness_economics) suggests that measures of public happiness should be used to supplement more traditional economic measures when evaluating the success of public policy.
Combat opernadii; Refute claim "This city is happy": The drugs consumed by these citizens does not grant them happiness, only shallow enjoyment if even that. Those are not the same thing, and while certain aspects of happiness, such as causing the subject to repeat actions winch grant it or facial expressions, others such as aesthetic appeal, altruistic acts of love or a intellectually justifiable sense of meaningfulness, are absent.
Combat opernadii; Refute claim "The purpose of existence is happiness": Why would this be the case? First of all, talking about a purpose of existence in general is nonsensical, as existence is not a created thing. (even if there is a god, that god had to exist defore it could create anything, thus it could still not have created existence-as-such.) The concept tat comes closest to the common usage of "purpose of existence" is that of a Supergoal; the one and only correct by definition utility function towards winch all else is just a means.
It has been proved mathematically that all goal oriented behaviour can be described with an utility function, and thus all creatures can be said to have a supergoal of some sort. However, humanlike minds (and so far, it would seem that every mind that exists in this realm is near human) are very complex. They are never rigid constants like happiness or survival alone, nor are they empty labels like "good" or "right". They are made from complex values interacting in complex ways. Thou Art Godshatter. (http://lesswrong.com/lw/l3/thou_art_godshatter/) Thirdly, another fact of humanlike minds is that they have some measure or unknown supergoal content that even themselves do not know about, but that needs to be discovered and then followed.
Quote from: Dreams of Industry
If the purpose of existence is survival, then there is no need for you to fight. Simply wait until the next recursion. The repetition of history ensures that entropy is reversed, and that the universe never ends. In the meantime, we can be happy. There is no difference, chemically, between seratonin from an accomplishment, and that from a pill.Combat opernadii; counterfactualize by premise: The purpose of existence isn't survival.
Nihilistic support!: All accomplishment is rendered useless, all reason is false in the end. "I am Ozymandius, King of Kings!" you say, but all I see are the remnants of a statue in the sand.
Combat opernadii; Statistical Fact: Given for each iteration a nonzero chance of breaking the pattern, no mater how small, that chance will happen before an infinite number of recursions have passed. The cyclicality is not perfect, and the universe of complex enough that no chance is ever truly infinitely unlikely, thus the probability is non-zero.
Combat opernadii; dismissal as irrelevant: There does not need to be some light of objective morality shining from above to create meaning, the very observable light created by myself in my own heart, the supergoal, suffice just fine for that. The truth value of nihilism is irrelevant; it is the truly meaningless thing here.
Quote from: Dreams of Industry
None of the people in the city matter, anyway. Why is their well-being so important to you? The fact of the matter is, is that you can't be sure that any of this is real. They do not communicate with you. They cannot. I can.
That makes me a part of the Other, the part of creation that is not your concious mind. If you think about it, we are the only things in the world that matter. Everything else may as well be an illusion. There is no reason to help that which is not real.
Combat opernadii; obsolatize concept: Real? Could you care to define this concept, preferable algebraically?
"Real" is an artefact, a word from universes that have insurmountable constraints posed on location and causality by the laws of physics, it is used to refer to the universe the speaker happen to be in, and is granted special status because the speaker can never leave it or communicate with those outside it. In a place like this, governed by mental laws rather than physical ones, where time is not linear, and where a change in perspective can mean change from one world to another, the concept is simply obsolete.
Combat opernadii; motivate: I have all reason to believe that once your chemical curse is lifted, they will be able to communicate just fine. There is no reason to believe they are not sentient, and my sense of what is right tells me that I should set them free. Besides, if they were so unimportant, you wouldn't care to oppress them.
Combat opernadii; Refute claim "That makes me a part of the Other, the part of creation that is not your concious mind. If you think about it, we are the only things in the world that matter. Everything else may as well be an illusion. There is no reason to help that which is not real.": My conscience makes no discrimination between real or not real, solid or illusory. In fact, if those qualities exist at all they are just another form of weakness and oppression, just one more reason to protect them and try to set them free.
Being made of matter, concious mind, or unconscious mind dosn't matter, it's merely a question of substance and origin. Entities that have individual actions, thoughts, feelings, motivations, and a complex behaviour, they are all quite clearly their own individuals, and questions of media is secondary.
INITIATIVE:
Combat opernadii; assert status: My hat is cooler than yours.
Combat opernadii; Assert opponent self defeat: You are stumbling over your own toes. Your goals are inconsistent; you concern yourself mainly with the doings and state of the city people, yet you disregard them as unimportant. Your arguments are inane, fumbling around a general concept with no sense of direction.
You claim to want one thing, but by being an anthropomorphic personification you give your enemies a face to fight, something that has been shown in many many experiments so be one of the strongest factors in what will let people fight something. Hoist by your own petard, you contradict your own existence. You shouldn't exist.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 12, 2010, 08:28:45 pm
Id: 100 <-2,986,567,321?> The Dream is in hypothetical danger!
Post by: Armok on January 12, 2010, 08:35:09 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 12, 2010, 09:01:38 pm
“I do not believe you understand what I am referring to, John. When I say that they do not matter, I’m not describing their station as peons or peasant folk. I literally mean that their minds are not factually proven to exist. As to your claims about the motive behind my actions, I am not a physical entity. I am but a thought. I exist only to plague you, and to remind you of the futility of morality and ethics.
Let’s review the facts about this place.
When I say that you are “real”, I mean to say that your mind exists. You are a unit entity. “You think, therefore you are”, and all that jazz. Now, one could make the claim that nothing else exists, and that everything is but in your mind. That cannot be true, not in the definitions we have established.
You are a unit entity, meaning that you are able to observe yourself. If we are to encompass the unknown world and the memories forgotten within that definition, then you are no longer a unit entity. If there is some part of you that you do not know about, or cannot access, then it is not a part of what makes you YOU, the unit consciousness.
There are parts of existence then, that seem to follow some order, are not entirely random, and are not part of you. That can all be defined as “Other”. This includes everything that you do not observe, including the future, your forgotten memories, and the other beings that you interact with. There is a chance that it does not exist, and this is but a moment frozen in time without future or present; but let’s discard that – for now.
This “other” could be a God, perhaps, creating a world with two conscious beings – the observed, and the observer - you. Or it could be an ordered universe that obeys empirical laws, and you are but a biological neural net without purpose, and without importance, since both words would then be meaningless. It could be a computer program or something similar, which entails a world above this one, which leads to further problems. The past itself isn’t concrete. This whole reality may have been created five billion years ago, five seconds, or never at all. The future isn’t even guaranteed; the world may end at the completion of this sentence.
Or not. What we then reach is the conclusion of absolute uncertainty, the wonderful word of Tock. You have heard this phrase before, and you will again, or at least that is what your memories tell you (Which may also be engineered).
Of course, this begs the question, “What is the point?” Of course, one could argue that this question itself is meaningless, but that is relying upon the assumption that the world is empirical, which is actually preferable to uncertainty, since it implies less belief in other entities besides yourself. In the other cases, however, wherein the world you see is designed, it requires the question of a purpose. What is the reason of the Other? To teach you? Or to torture you?
Now, you might wonder why I state the obvious, and what it has to do with our current discussion. No matter what happens, uncertainty will exist. The facts inherent in that there exists you, and that there exists the Other, are the only axioms of reality. It means that, unless you can construct it using these axioms, there is no concrete philosophical reason for morality. And even if you die one day, and discover, lo and behold! That there is an afterlife, you will never be certain that it is truly there. You could be in a coma. You could be in Hell. If you become a God, and take over all that is creation, you will never be certain that it is truly all of creation. You could be a toy in a larger game of gods.
You will never know the truth. “The truth is, that the truth is terrible! There exists no future, no tower, no goal! You burnt the world, and you killed it. We will forever feast upon your guilt, your failure.””
The Dream has become enraged!
“And what about your purpose, eh? You fight for the broken one, the Runaway. She is an interesting mind, to be sure. Both parts pessimistic and optimistic. Our scientists must study her, sometime. You will never be sure if she truly loves you. Or if she even exists. You will hurt her again. And she will hurt you. One day you will find yourself facing off another theory, only to find that it is your first creation.”
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 12, 2010, 11:18:57 pm
"That is not a reviewing of facts, but a meaningles diatribe by a fading phantasm. Nevertheless, I shall humour you. The past and future may not be concrete, but not treating them as liable to happen is quite frankly, a futile endeavour. You must accept that time moves, otherwise nothing would ever get done, and since there is as I speak a city around me, it would seem that someone or something built it. That would require time. We can point to the things all around us and say this requires time to build, thus quantifying that the time to build them must have existed.
As for this other, it's a name assigned to disparate autonomous systems and the subconcious. It's a name given to a variety of individual things that have existence seperate from each other. It is just a part of this world, being the worlds impact on me, the subconcious, and the things locked away. Not deserving of attribution to some mal- or bene-volent entity. It has no purpose, it just is.
Now for the point: In empiricism, the point is what I make, being as there is nothing else, any goal that I were to choose, any padagrim that I were to take upon as my own would be by definition better then the one that does not exist, and I choose to fight, to learn, to know. In the world that is designed, I choose to find the path to whatever meaning or purpose this world has, even if it may be just that not doing so would be... rather boring, in fact.
As for your axioms, one does not exist. There is ever only me. The facts of the matter is that I must treat my perceptions as being, by and large, real, otherwise nothing would get done. I don't see just why you fear uncertainanty so, without it we'd have nought reason to do anything, instead acting out out lives like puppets that can see the strings. if I die tomorrow, and there is an afterlife, then there is an afterlife. If I am but in a coma, then that's that. If there is no way to know, then there's no reason to care.
Now, you want the truth? You can't handle the truth, and you never could! I may have burnt the world, but now my will is to see it alive. As for the theory, I'd say that it is undeserving of the title, just being a hypothesis that ran away. It does not fit the facts, so it muct be torn down, so that another that fits more closely to the facts as they are can be constructed; and if you and the rest of your bonepicking kin dare to oppose me... we may just have a murder of crows.
-By the way, I may never be sure, but I still trust her, and if that trust is broken, then so be it. I do not fight for her alone, but I still fight for her."
-Where there is life, there is hope.
Post by: Armok on January 13, 2010, 10:02:23 am
Post by: Armok on January 13, 2010, 04:40:24 pm
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I do not believe you understand what I am referring to, John. When I say that they do not matter, I’m not describing their station as peons or peasant folk. I literally mean that their minds are not factually proven to exist. As to your claims about the motive behind my actions, I am not a physical entity. I am but a thought. I exist only to plague you, and to remind you of the futility of morality and ethics.I understand quite well what you are referring to.
Lets, for the sake of argument, assume that everything except myself is indeed simply controlled as a roleplay of some single malevolent entity, some mad thing engineering all experience. All the persons I appear to see around me would simply be puppets role-played by this entity. In order to do this believably, with all the different personalities I see around me, this entity have to consider what the entity played would experience if they existed, and how they might react to that stimuli. This include imagining their thoughts, emotions, anguish, joys, actions, and reasoning about their subjective experience so they can appear to speak about it to me. In fact, in doing all this, and as an absolute requirement to making it believable at all, the entity would have to make an entire simulation in their mind, and each messing round with the results of tis simulation would reduce its believability. Thus, if there appears to be a person that show all the signs characteristic as such or even something whose non-personhood could be reasonably doubted, there must somewhere be a simulation of it, and one that is only manipulated rarely and subtly if at all. If the person appear to be in a certain state, and can be reasoned with about it and all the other subtle things I that can be observed and interacted with, that means the simulation in actuality IS in that state. If the person seems intelligent, the simulation needs to be intelligent. If the person seems to reason about "I think therefore I am", then the simulation would have had to reason about that. Such a simulation easily fit all my criteria for being a person, and as it is the thing I actually communicate when I consider myself to be communicating with the person, the simulation IS that person.
Not only cant you create something that appears to be a person under close inspection, but isn't, but the very notion of such a thing is nonsense, because the person IS the complicated behaviours I observe.
As for plaguing me, you are failing that to; this is both fun and rewarding, and I have no real worry of failure.
Morality is not futile, for it is directions and not a binary goal, so it can be followed no matter how far the distance travelled is. And it is internal to myself, not a light shining from above, and as such it is by definition, it as an axiom, not an answer.
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I will accept that I exist, and that something that is not me exist, although we seem to need a better definition of "me". For example, I would not count the past scavenger, whose memories I do not posses and who were evil and unlike me in many personality traits to be the same person in any meaning as the one speaking with you now. But considering an entity consisting of a blend of memories and traits from each, wich may well have existed or will come to exist at some time, I am not sure if to classify that as "me" or not, although upon observing the consequences of such a blend the classification would probably be obvious.
I will also accepts that no probability ever has a certainty of 1, for that is an infinite certainty, and thus would require an infinite amount of observations to ever reach.
There is always the possibility one might be a Boltzman brain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzman_brain), but in that case the reasoning process used to reach all these conclusions is most likely invalid, and thus it is unhelpfull to consider it for most practical purposes.
What I do NOT agree on however is that this would entitle one to throw up ones hands and declare that existence is completely unpredictable. No probabilities are 0, but they may be arbitrarily small, and not all probabilities are the same. One can still say that MOST LIKELY I will not cease to exist the next second, MOST LIKELY my experiences are not the result of random noise because then they wouldn't be so orderly. MOST LIKELY the majority of my memories actually happened. And for each statement, the probability that one is wrong increases, but the probability that they all are wrong shrinks into irrelevance. No probability is 0, but it may well be one in a gogolplex, and in practice there is no difference.
Also you forgot a few axioms: in addition to me existing, and the other existing, what also exists is maths/logic, as it is a requirement for the complex process needed for there to be a me. There is also knowledge of certain PROPERTIES of the me; that I experience certain things, that I contain certain memories, and that I uphold certain beliefs and principles, and that I can reason according to certain laws of logic.
As per my previous argument, with a few irrelevant exception scenarios like being a Boltzman brain, having memories of something that clearly seems like people and the existence of the other together implies that people like that actually exist.
Giving this conclusion, as well as the axiom of me existing, as well as the contents of me, one can indeed conclude morality:
The contents of my mind, morality is defined as certain types of actions in interaction with other people, most importantly treating them like they would want to be treated if they knew everything I know at the moment and had their full mental capabilities. This morality is not some outside influence that "should" be followed; it is a simple property of my minds, I act acording to what I consider to be moral because I WANT to, not because it serves some higher purpose. Given this, I can and will indeed follow these principles as far as I can, "good" is only an empty label, I'm after Utilons (http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Utilons), and as long as I exist, some other sentient mind exist, and I have some way to influence that mind in any way, I can get at least some.
The thing that burned the world shared few properties with me save name and looks, in no way was that me. No guilt is necessary.
Love is strange, but not mysterious, for mystery exist only in the mind, and not one unusual thing has ever happened. If she will hurt me, only time will tell, if time exist. But I will never hurt her, for the moment I do I no longer qualify as me.
((OOC: The mad Engineer, I want to thank you deeply, for the first time since long, long ago I am in my own right element again. Also, you might want to read this as something more than a response to a game as well, and you will discover that you might have gotten much higher stakes than you bargained for...))
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 13, 2010, 06:05:06 pm
And all the children said that all the wounds could heal. The happiness. Replaced it all.
The end of an era, the beginning of a failed age,
No more darkness, no more light, nothing left to see.
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3323/dreamend.png)
The Theory has been struck down!
((OOC: You do not need to remind me that this could have some significance outside of a simple forum game. When I created this, I decided that questions I once had needed answering, and personal demons hidden away needed to be destroyed. Thank you all for defeating Tock, the Null Hypothesis, the Dreams of Industry. There are things that are still not quite finished here, but I am quite certain that he will be making another appearance; the seeds of discontent and conflict have been planted. The next boss fight will not be as single-sided as this one: I will be adding some improved mechanics to make it more difficult.))
The city is unprotected! The influence of the dream has left the Tower without a Name, and his birds are preparing to retaliate. What shall John do?
If only we had some sort of army...
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 13, 2010, 06:18:11 pm
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 13, 2010, 06:18:26 pm
Now, you must first give the tower a new name. Names have power, and the meaning of the name decides just what power is granted. Just as the name Tock represented inevitability, now the name that replaces it must represent the breaking away from what is decided and done. Rename the Tower Enigma, for Enigma can take you where Dogma cannot.
Post by: Dragooble on January 13, 2010, 06:26:55 pm
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2wn2wk3.png)
Post by: Luke_Prowler on January 13, 2010, 06:28:55 pm
hehehe
What are you laughing at?
I know something you don't
Oh for the love SPILL IT OUT!
Call in the rats!
edit: ah crap, ninja'd
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 13, 2010, 06:37:47 pm
*Pic* DANCE!DANCE!
DANCE!
(http://i47.tinypic.com/fwodcj.jpg)
((What tune do you think the rats advance by? Post your suggestions :D I will post the aftermath of the battle tomorrow.))
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 13, 2010, 06:40:33 pm
I suggest "Another brick in the wall, Part: 2." We don't need no thought control!
Post by: Armok on January 13, 2010, 06:49:45 pm
"I enlisted an army of the brave and I their general declared war.
Poised with tooth and fire in paw."
- The Cat Piano (http://catpianofilm.com/media/#poem)
((OOC: Also:
Quote
((OOC: You do not need to remind me that this could have some significance outside of a simple forum game. When I created this, I decided that questions I once had needed answering, and personal demons hidden away needed to be destroyed. Thank you all for defeating Tock, the Null Hypothesis, the Dreams of Industry. There are things that are still not quite finished here, but I am quite certain that he will be making another appearance; the seeds of discontent and conflict have been planted. The next boss fight will not be as single-sided as this one: I will be adding some improved mechanics to make it more difficult.))That to, but it was not what I were referencing.
Think, what did we just do? We proved the existence of people and the moral relevance of the world. And we did this WITHOUT REQUIRING REALITY. That is, the argument still applies despite it being a work of fiction. This is REAL, these people do, in some sense, exist, because you are simulating them in your head. I even underlined Mad Engineer, that's YOU.
As i said, higher stakes than you bargained for. All authors really have it, but your choice of subect is forcing you to confront it.
I'm dead serius abaut this, it's not metaphor or exaggeration.))
As for music, perhaps something along the lines of Hall of the Mountain King, Carmina Burana (sp?) or Sabre Dance?
Post by: Siquo on January 13, 2010, 06:54:17 pm
The drawings, story and style are still awesome by the way. Thanks!
Post by: Luke_Prowler on January 13, 2010, 06:56:04 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 13, 2010, 07:02:57 pm
((DAMN, I wrote up a response, and then firefox crashed before i could post it! And once i get beck its outdated! >:( Well, here it is:))
"I enlisted an army of the brave and I their general declared war.
Poised with tooth and fire in paw."
- The Cat Piano (http://catpianofilm.com/media/#poem)
((OOC: Also:Quote((OOC: You do not need to remind me that this could have some significance outside of a simple forum game. When I created this, I decided that questions I once had needed answering, and personal demons hidden away needed to be destroyed. Thank you all for defeating Tock, the Null Hypothesis, the Dreams of Industry. There are things that are still not quite finished here, but I am quite certain that he will be making another appearance; the seeds of discontent and conflict have been planted. The next boss fight will not be as single-sided as this one: I will be adding some improved mechanics to make it more difficult.))That to, but it was not what I were referencing.
Think, what did we just do? We proved the existence of people and the moral relevance of the world. And we did this WITHOUT REQUIRING REALITY. That is, the argument still applies despite it being a work of fiction. This is REAL, these people do, in some sense, exist, because you are simulating them in your head. I even underlined Mad Engineer, that's YOU.
As i said, higher stakes than you bargained for. All authors really have it, but your choice of subect is forcing you to confront it.
I'm dead serius abaut this, it's not metaphor or exaggeration.))
As for music, perhaps something along the lines of Hall of the Mountain King, Carmina Burana (sp?) or Sabre Dance?
I had hoped that we would be able to do it, but it is not the end of that particular argument. I'm not saying you missed any bases, but we aren't quite done analyzing all the aspects of the questions posed. That will come later. To me, these characters aren't as real as the other people I truly communicate with, since I encompass their thoughts within my head, but to you all they are, since they respond intelligently. That may change with the plans I have in mind. I'm not quite done turning this story on its head.
An interesting note: If John is philisophically real, and you, the forum, contribute to his thoughts and actions, what does that say about the mind in general?
Love the music ideas so far. *Sigh* If only I could animate this...
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 13, 2010, 08:05:40 pm
John, there is something we wish to ask of you. About all this, the voices in your head and us. What do you think of us? What do you think of all this?
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 13, 2010, 08:35:24 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 13, 2010, 08:37:33 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 13, 2010, 08:47:42 pm
I think you see now the danger he is in, from repeating his mistakes, to totally altering his passive personality.
Post by: Dragooble on January 13, 2010, 11:35:02 pm
Quote from: Dave Strider
we are in THE SHIT now. together. For the long haul. We are motherfuckin entrenched in this bitch.The rats march to upward movement (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002565)
Post by: Eztuzt on January 14, 2010, 12:02:13 am
Sort of sums this up imo... i think
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 14, 2010, 12:06:53 am
So basically this mysterious entity that is apparently creating some type of simulation for john to experience is you Mad Engineer? Because that's what this seems to be implying. This might be mildly unsettling.Good choice of song. I am not the Other, if that is what you are implying. I do have a part to play, just like all of you, but the truth is slightly more sinister.Quote from: Dave Striderwe are in THE SHIT now. together. For the long haul. We are motherfuckin entrenched in this bitch.The rats march to upward movement (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002565)
I believe that is enough plot spoilers for now. Keep in mind I am liable to change the story later on depending on what occurs, and what I accidentally give away. If you observe the ending, then it doesn't exist.
Post by: 100killer9 on January 14, 2010, 11:27:40 pm
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 14, 2010, 11:56:53 pm
Post by: Siquo on January 15, 2010, 12:40:32 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 16, 2010, 03:44:46 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 17, 2010, 02:56:27 pm
I REQUIRE AN UPDATE.
Oh, YOU'LL get an update soon enough... heh heh...
(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4696/battleresult.png)
Needless to say, the battle was short, swift, and decisive. The Dark City has fallen to the Scavenger King. Again.
John makes his way over to the center of the city. He has finally reached the tower, where the door that was once closed by the Dreams of Industry has been opened once more.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/308b0yd.jpg)
Runaway: "You can't leave now! The people of the city need a ruler! They are suffering from the withdrawal of their "medicine". I know that angel guy you told me about told you to get out of this reality, but you can't just leave them... us here! Who will guard the Medicated City? None of the mindlings here have any sort of combat experience! The birds could come back!"
Post by: Siquo on January 17, 2010, 03:02:00 pm
Then kiss her, and enter the tower.
Post by: 100killer9 on January 17, 2010, 03:09:39 pm
Crown her scavenger Queen. The scythe implies she does have combat abilities. Bestow upon her the power and responsibility of training the population, and to teach them to find happiness within themselves.Yes, throw the job on someone else! Or... You have your prescription? Take it.
Then kiss her, and enter the tower.
Edit: Wait, did scratches tell us to leave this reality? I don't remember that.
Post by: Armok on January 17, 2010, 03:17:21 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 17, 2010, 03:32:24 pm
Crown her scavenger Queen. The scythe implies she does have combat abilities. Bestow upon her the power and responsibility of training the population, and to teach them to find happiness within themselves.Yes, throw the job on someone else! Or... You have your prescription? Take it.
Then kiss her, and enter the tower.
Edit: Wait, did scratches tell us to leave this reality? I don't remember that.
Quote
But first, you must leave Tock behind. And to do so, you must get to the Nameless Tower.-From Scratches, pg 22
Find yourself and the runaway some place in the city to live romanticaly for a few weeks untill they recover.
Let's assume they did that before he goes to the black tower. He did tell her about Scratches, after all...
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1294/kissis.png)
(The things you make me draw!)
(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9623/uhoh.png)
>:D
Post by: 100killer9 on January 17, 2010, 03:51:03 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 17, 2010, 03:59:18 pm
Post by: Armok on January 17, 2010, 04:15:31 pm
"Oh Angel, I'm so sorry..."
Cry.
Post by: 100killer9 on January 17, 2010, 04:22:25 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 17, 2010, 04:25:04 pm
Angel starts to sing a song.
"In darkness rests something concealed inside,
We all must go into the glade to die!
Within your soul go see what there reside,
To what you once believed whisper goodbye!
In the end of my life I did find him,
And the lost god of dreams beckoned to me.
For once fear could replace a foolish whim;
By sheer instinct I could then clearly see.
Beware your fate, the Guide must not be sought,
He lies and tricks and takes the light from dark.
Beware yourself, lest all be wrought to nought,
And all that stays are scratches in the bark.
You've all to lose, yet still you risk your mind,
You've none to win: Don't seek what you can't find."
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2wmi9aw.jpg)
I don't think he's very interested in debating existentialism.
We all must go into the glade to die!
Within your soul go see what there reside,
To what you once believed whisper goodbye!
In the end of my life I did find him,
And the lost god of dreams beckoned to me.
For once fear could replace a foolish whim;
By sheer instinct I could then clearly see.
Beware your fate, the Guide must not be sought,
He lies and tricks and takes the light from dark.
Beware yourself, lest all be wrought to nought,
And all that stays are scratches in the bark.
You've all to lose, yet still you risk your mind,
You've none to win: Don't seek what you can't find."
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2wmi9aw.jpg)
Post by: Armok on January 17, 2010, 04:36:26 pm
Now RUN! Run and do not look back!
Post by: Siquo on January 17, 2010, 04:38:42 pm
Post by: 100killer9 on January 17, 2010, 04:41:49 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 17, 2010, 04:51:46 pm
John, this is your stomach speaking. Eat him.(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3754/angelfight.png)
You shouldn't have left her, ever.
Now RUN! Run and do not look back!
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3272/angelwin.png)
"I have had enough of your lies, Scavenger! One learns how to see through the doors, to see what transpires without me. I saw you and her. I saw you feeding her the same lies, building her up to the same betrayel. I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO HURT MY FRIENDS ANY LONGER!
No one will mourn your death. No one knows you're here. Now, John, prepare to die!
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3318/deathl.png)
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8479/bloodjohn.png)
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4892/angelll.png)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2392/angeldeath.png)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/43/angelthank.png)
I am the messenger, John, sent to the Field of Doors from Belief to take you to the Spire of Rise. God himself has sent me here, to collect you and to bring you before his holy council. I see I came just in time. Come with me. My name is…
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9154/angelnew.png)
Recursion!
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4740/lastend.png)
No one will mourn your death. No one knows you're here. Now, John, prepare to die!
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3318/deathl.png)
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8479/bloodjohn.png)
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4892/angelll.png)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2392/angeldeath.png)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/43/angelthank.png)
I am the messenger, John, sent to the Field of Doors from Belief to take you to the Spire of Rise. God himself has sent me here, to collect you and to bring you before his holy council. I see I came just in time. Come with me. My name is…
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9154/angelnew.png)
Recursion!
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4740/lastend.png)
Post by: Myroc on January 17, 2010, 05:05:42 pm
Post by: Siquo on January 17, 2010, 05:31:15 pm
Post by: TheNewerMartianEmperor on January 17, 2010, 11:23:58 pm
FINAL TRANSMISSION
John, this is the sphinx. I'm afraid that I won't be able to join you any longer, the moment you came face to face with that angel, you passed beyond the purview of the rouge council. Your fate is now in the hands of the Celestial Chorus. Their harmonizing may be innane, but they do mean well.
-This is the Rouge Council, signing off.
Post by: 100killer9 on January 17, 2010, 11:26:48 pm
Post by: Armok on January 18, 2010, 07:02:06 am
((Also... I've alredy said that this is absolutely amazing art...
Have you considered geting your own website for this? It's WAY to good to be just a forum game.))
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 18, 2010, 12:44:37 pm
Heh heh heh...
Post by: 100killer9 on January 22, 2010, 01:30:26 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 24, 2010, 10:55:51 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 29, 2010, 04:03:05 pm
For now, I’ll just post what remains of my pictures and the transcript for the possible final non-forum-game version of DNTTRS:P1.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2pr5pnp.jpg)
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9514/filler2.png)
This is actually the first picture I drew of this whole mess. You can thank the tower for everything else
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Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
Part One
Part One
We find John, a normal boy in a normal world, working hard, studying for an exam that is supposedly occurring on the following day. There are no doors in his room, and only a single window, revealing a white sky with a black tree line. He does not want to work; he almost doesn’t need to work; yet there is nothing else for him to do. A normal day, like any other.
Then, the Rainbow Snail comes crashing down from up high, riding down on a rainbow made of lies. John is mildly surprised, and a bit angry at the damage done to his ceiling. He knows that he should be a bit more put off by the introduction of such a fantastical creature, but it all seems too familiar to spark a more substantial reaction.
The snail informs him of the existence of a wonderful world beyond his own, where he is severely needed, and heralded as “The Chosen One”. At this very statement, the snail vanishes as quickly as he appeared, but not before reminding our hero to advance through a portal that has appeared where his window once was.
With a lack of suspicion on John’s part, and a misplaced internal celebration for what seems to be the end of a normal life, he trusts the Rainbow Snail, and enters the vortex.
The vortex encounters turbulence in the middle of John’s journey, and dumps him off in an unknown location. This is where the fun begins.
He finds himself in an open field, where nothing but black trees grow, and a light blue sky plays host to a multitude of gibbering celestial bodies. Upon the ground there stands three doors, without reason or purpose. Two are marked with the locations of “Home” and “Help”, which John is not eager to explore. He shows an aversion to the prospect of returning to his room from whence he came, or from seeking unwanted help. The third door is simply marked with a single eye, and is set apart from the rest.
Also amongst this clearing is a single black tree, upon which an owl reclines with too many teeth. He looks down upon John, grinning and staring disconcertingly. Under the tree lies an apple. John, feeling hungry from his long trip, slowly picks up the fruit, warily eyeing the owl, which simply glares back.
As he grabs it to take a bite, however, the apple’s eyes flicker open, and it screams out with an empty mouth, save for three teeth. The fruit introduces itself as “Apple”, and boasts having extensive knowledge of past events. However, these memories come at a price, for Apple has been viciously scarred. He will only tell John what he needs to hear at the expense of a tooth. After the three teeth contained within him are gone, John may need to resort to drastic measures.
Feeling utterly confused, he pockets the strange creature, and walks around the tree, noticing Angel for the first time. Angel is a deranged creature, missing an eye and his legs, and sporting a grotesque, deformed grin. He is propped up upon a metal stand, thick wires keeping him upright, and connecting his head with his body. He also has two withered wings sprouting from his head, devoid of feathers, and a halo suspended above his wretched form.
John cautiously approaches, second-guessing his own sanity. The creature addresses him as Scavenger, the first time John is introduced as such. Angel also boasts that he has eaten all manner of beast and bird, but hasn’t touched John. “Scavenger” is then asked why he is here. John replies that he has been sent to save the world, which leads to derisive laughter from Angel. “Save the world? You burned it!” he accuses John.
He then laments that John mutilated him, his former friend, into this current state, and swings angrily at him with a knife. Bolted to the ground by his stand, however, Angel cannot touch his enemy. John hastens to the Eye door, ignoring an ominous staircase next to his old, forgotten friend.
The next thing he knows, he finds himself back in his old room, sometime around midnight. “It was all a dream!” he thinks to himself, relieved that it’s over. He is, however, left with a disturbingly satisfying vision of himself tearing creation asunder.
Going to the closet to retrieve his nightcap, he is presented with an alarming sight: Some sort of demonic machine room had replaced his closet. A hat with an eye upon it stares menacingly at John, Apple greets him from atop an oversized pair of scissors, and ominous music from beyond the closet door becomes steadily louder.
Putting on the hat, pocketing Angel, and arming himself with the shears, he notices something he did not see before: a bottle of pills from a company named GleeJoy Industries. On it, is simply marked: “In case of Hallucination Attack”, and is addressed to John. It is almost as if someone had left it there for him to discover.
Leaving his room, he finds himself in an endless hallway, from down a vast army of dancing rats advance closer to him. Panicking, he makes to run, until he remembers the pills that were so recently and conveniently found. With no other option, and the rats advancing from all sides, he closes his eyes, and takes one of the pink capsules.
Things start getting hazy, and a sense of urgency and excited vindictiveness descend upon him. He confronts the rats, and challenges them to a dance-off. The king of the rats appears, and asks him upon what stakes the fight is supposed to hinge upon. With an involuntary smirk, John replies, “My kingdom for yours”. Then, in a drug-fueled state, John begins to dance.
Lights descend, music plays, and the rats are floored by his supernatural skills. They grant him title of “Scavenger”, and bequeath him their crown. It is at this point, after the rats disappear into the darkness. That John snaps out of his drug addled state. Asking the apple for clarification on what just occurred, it replies “Recursion, John. Redemption, maybe. Around and around and…” It slowly becomes apparent that history may be in a loop, culminating in the destruction of the world.
He observes a painting on the wall. It shows a black city under a yellow sky. Upon the endless field before it, a lone figure walks, alone and unloved. Next thing he knows, he is within the desert, the badlands. The Apple, the Hat, and the Scissors – They are nowhere to be seen.
John summons a minion from his rat kingdom by doing a little jig. The rat is unwilling to help, being deathly afraid of something called “The Tower”. Pulling itself out of John’s clutches, it deposits Apple at his feet, and disappears down a hole in the sand. Once again sacrificing a precious tooth, he turns to his insane companion for help. “We are in the future, a place you created. We have always been here. Get to the future, and get to the nameless tower. History repeats, time does not. You do not.” This is a bit too cryptic for our hero, but at least he understands that the Nameless Tower is his next destination. It also informs him that the loop is not due to time travel, but is instead a repetition of past events.
Meanwhile, the rat minion rushes to the throne of the former rat king, ruling in John’s absence. The ex-monarch is dressed in a crude rendition of his clothes, and carries a doll shaped like Apple. The monarch reinterprets John’s call as a summons to the Dark city, and a declaration of war. When the minion asks him how the army is supposed to tell the difference between their new ruler and the enemy, the ex-king, knowing full well of John’s predicament, says to the army that he can be told apart through the crown he is wearing. The army starts marching from the East.
John hears and feels the rumbling of a thousand tiny feet, and makes haste to move away from the unknown threat. This takes him straight to the withered husk of a burned tree, upon which sits a scavenger bird with a handless clock hanging around its neck. The bird greets poor John, calling him a friend and a fellow scavenger of the dead. He invites John to follow him. With no other option, John decides to trust this dubious new ally.
When the bird hops down from the tree, John impulsively tries to take the clock. When he does so, however, he is filled with visions of a black tower with a handless clock, amidst a dying city. He is threatened with a deep, booming voice: “This is OUR world now!” John meekly follows the bird, which didn’t even notice his attempted theft.
He follows the bird for three hours. The sound of the army grows distant, and the number of scavenger birds circling overhead increase. They alight upon a corpse picked to shreds. When John views this atrocity, the bird asks him why he stopped. The bird explains that people get lost in the desert, mislead by false signs. He says that scavengers feast upon death and failure, and that trust is for those who fail. He asks if John wishes to follow him further, and assures him that the Tower is almost in sight. Not only does John follow the dark bird and its allies, but he also scavenges the body for a weapon he can use later.
The bodies increase, the birds grow bolder, and the sky reddens. When John asks his “friend” how much longer the journey will take, the bird laughs in his face and recites the Scavenger Litany. John becomes angered. He raises the sharpened piece of bone he pocketed, and decides to smash the clock, reasoned to be important to the birds. The clock rises up, and rends John prone on the ground. “No! You are not God! Your rebellion failed! Go back to Hell!” it screams, and John becomes unconscious.
He awakes in a gray world familiar to the one we left behind in the beginning of this misadventure. He is wearing a shirt with a barcode, and finds himself within an asylum. An orderly wakes him up, and takes him to the psychiatrist assigned to his case. The man asks him about his dreams, and John responds by dancing. He believes that this is all just yet another one of the many tricks being played upon him, and by dancing he can summon a rat to help. The man is unimpressed – in fact, he is outraged by John’s spontaneous display. He informs John that this institution was created to integrate troubled children, like John, into society. Not to humor his delusions. He is given a tranquilizer and sent into the mess hall.
In the mess hall he meets an enigmatic boy named Pier, who is covered in scratches. He informs John that monsters inflict it on him every night, but the orderlies believe that he does it to himself. He tells John not to drink the green pill, as it would make him depressed. One of the children at the table appears to be crying, which is a result of the group trying to figure out which pill causes the sadness, as it is changed every day.
One of the orderlies rushes over, and tells Pier not to talk nonsense to John. She claims that John suffers from short-term memory loss, and that they repeat the same conversation every day. John is taken to his room again, where he is confronted by a dark entity, claiming to have been summoned by John through the dance he did in the office. He is an obsession, and he explains to John the Theory of Uncertainty. He also tells him that the only way to escape the Graylands is to obtain the blood of an enemy, the eyes of an innocent, and the death of a friend. The obsession vanishes when an orderly comes to the door again, informing John that the psychiatrist wants to see him again.
The psychiatrist tells John that the pill scheme has been discovered, and that he is going to give him a shot of an experimental depressant. Waylaying the man with questions about legality (Which are brushed aside as the man says John killed his parents and no one cares about him), John picks up an empty syringe and stabs him in the arm, drawing blood. He lunges at John, who then sprays him in the eyes with the Syringe’s contents. John runs out the door, bumping into a small child, breaking his glasses.
Without the glasses, the child recognizes John as “The Scavenger from my dreams!” He informs John that Pier is going to be given the experimental medicine. John rushes to cell #001 to stop it, being chased by one of the orderlies. He sees Pier hanging from a rope, having been diagnosed incorrectly. All three components come together, and John’s eyes are opened. The orderlies are scavenger birds; the children are the sleeping bodies he had seen picked clean in the badlands. With one scream, he burns the Graylands to the ground. As he falls into the darkness of the asylum, a rescuer catches him. It is Pier.
Pier, reintroducting himself as Scratches, informs John that he has awakened. John was in the Badlands again, and Scratches had become an angel, with wings on his head, and a halo suspended above it. He then speaks to John about the History of the Graylands.
The next thing John knows, he is deposited next to a long road leading into the Dark city, also known as the Medicated City, the City of Light, or “Tock”. On the wayside, he finds Apple next to his hat, which had now become merged with the scavenger crown, his scissors, and his pills. Filled with confidence, he makes his way into the city, where he meets a multitude of misshapen people with looks of pure, unadulterated glee on their faces. He then spies a mysterious figure in a nearby alleyway. Having been seen, she flees, but John pursues her. He corners her in the alleyway, and we have the first encounter with Runaway.
She is a girl in a red dress and hat, bearing a scythe, and missing both an arm and an eye. She accuses John of mutilating her in the past, and robbing her of her memory. He professes his loss of memory, and asks her to help him. She is shaken by the fact that he forgot about her, and angry that she cannot find any form of closure. It is revealed, while she recounts her memories, that deep down she remembers a time when John was her friend, and maybe more.
She strongly represses this, though, due to her more recent memories and teachings of his horrible misdeeds. Surprised by her outbreak of hysterical screaming and crying, he too is reminded of his forgotten feelings, and he screams out to the sky, angry and unwilling to believe that he could – or would, cause her pain. She is still suspicious of him, and asks him to destroy the Tower’s reign of terror. She warns him of the Theory that has made itself at home in the city, and how “It cannot be killed, only disproved. No one has dared try.”
He approaches the tower, which recants to him the Addition to the Scavenger Litany. The Dreams of Industry, the theory, reveals himself to John, and thus begins The First Debate. John victorious, the theory crumbles, leaving the city unprotected. John dances one more time, causing the army of rats to advance upon the city. The battle is short and swift, and Tock falls to the Scavenger King. Remembering Scratches’ words, he exits the reality of Tock back to the prison where Angel is kept, but not before staying awhile with Runaway, and appointing her leader of the city.
Once John returns to the Field of Doors, he finds that something is amiss. The doors are all broken, the sky is stormy, and Angel seems bedraggled. Warily approaching him, Angel informs John of his undying hatred through the Warning to Children, and starts to transform. Metal coils from the base upon which he is displayed bursts from his arms and his wings, forming a gigantic monster tethered to the ground only by what remains of Angel’s former self. John is quickly overwhelmed, having lost most of his equipment again through teleporting.
The Angel accuses John of destroying everything he once stood for, and raises his weapon. Just before he can strike, however, a vortex from the reality of “Tik” opens up, and an angelic savior, with wings and a halo like Scratches, descends and smites Angel with a similar weapon. Before Angel dies, and the metal holding him together retreat into his broken base, he utters a thank you to the heavens for releasing him of his eternal torment.
The savior approaches John, and informs him that he was sent from the Spires of Rise to take him to Belief. He introduces himself as Angel! He is what amounts to the past/future version of his wretched counterpart, doomed to be betrayed again and left to be killed by an endless line of himself.
Recursion. {End of Part One}
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 29, 2010, 04:04:51 pm
You should keep going with it!!
Post by: Armok on January 29, 2010, 04:56:05 pm
I think you should make a site for it like a webcomic, but continue to update this thread as well and take user suggestions here until/unless the comic grows popular enought to warant it's own forum.
By the wa, how much is based on user suggestions and how much is planed in advance? To what extent is the universe of the story isomorphic to your own mind?
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 29, 2010, 05:28:39 pm
Yea, this is amazing.
I think you should make a site for it like a webcomic, but continue to update this thread as well and take user suggestions here until/unless the comic grows popular enought to warant it's own forum.
By the wa, how much is based on user suggestions and how much is planed in advance? To what extent is the universe of the story isomorphic to your own mind?
User suggestion is what happens in the end. But I tend to plan things out in advance, anticipating answers to problems, and trying to position John so that the story doesn't fizzle out. Much of what occurs are things I have already planned; in fact, all things are. But the reader suggestions give me new ideas, and change my mind sometimes on whether to include a particular scenario, or even provides the inspiration for a new one. Before John met Angel, I had no idea that there was recursion of any sort, or that John was in actuality "Scavenger". The conversation provided the ideas. I contradicted the response of "I'm here to save the world", and all else followed.
The Tower is a constant, though. There was always a Tower. Always a clock, and always a Scavenger Bird. In some of the less inspired parts of the story, the rest of the cast just seemed like an add-on to the reality of Tock. But that is changing dramatically.
Post by: Armok on January 29, 2010, 06:17:19 pm
What about the last question? Is this just a story, or is it a reflection/metaphor for the going-ons of your own brain?
Post by: 100killer9 on January 29, 2010, 07:41:39 pm
I feel stupid now.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 03, 2010, 10:17:22 pm
Yea...
What about the last question? Is this just a story, or is it a reflection/metaphor for the going-ons of your own brain?
I don't know.
(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4503/intermission1.png)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2vxoyly.jpg)
Meanwhile, thousands of miles away...
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/1015/one.png)
Angel: Well, John, here we are.
John: And where exactly is "here"?
Angel: Not quite sure. We're close to Belief, I know that. But you are a very difficult person to teleport. He made it so to restrict your travel if you ever did escape your prison. Unfortunately, circumstances surrounding you are more unique than we thought it to be. No matter. We should get there... eventually.
What should John do?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on February 03, 2010, 10:28:39 pm
Cross arms contemplatively.
Consider Banjo route.
Post by: Luke_Prowler on February 03, 2010, 10:56:03 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on February 03, 2010, 11:04:03 pm
Like... Bahn-Goe
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 03, 2010, 11:17:44 pm
Investigate?
Post by: Tradanbattlan on February 03, 2010, 11:26:09 pm
Post by: Myroc on February 04, 2010, 09:11:17 am
((Also, does anyone else think that Runaway is bad-ass?))
Post by: Siquo on February 04, 2010, 09:17:25 am
Go to "Guide". We need some guidance in this crazy world, John. Guide sounds good. Do it!
Post by: NUKE9.13 on February 04, 2010, 11:14:31 am
You have arrived!
We have been waiting for some time!
You had us worried for a while there. Anyway, now you are here, I should probably remind you that you still can't trust anything. Not yet, anyway. So don't go down the Guide path. And don't go down the banjo path.
You do the math!
((Runaway is scary. Bad-ass, yes, scary, also))
Post by: Armok on February 04, 2010, 11:21:16 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 04, 2010, 05:06:20 pm
If this place truly is all in your head, then you owe an apology letter to the people Banjo for giving them an awful nameBanjo it is, then.
The music gets louder, when suddenly...
(http://i48.tinypic.com/vg0xdw.jpg)
Oh, and btw,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: 100killer9 on February 04, 2010, 05:29:43 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on February 04, 2010, 05:34:17 pm
His golden fiddle for our soul.
THE DEVIL WENT DOWN TO GEORGIA...
I suggest we back the hell up.
Post by: Siquo on February 04, 2010, 06:39:31 pm
Post by: Armok on February 05, 2010, 05:54:37 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on February 05, 2010, 11:14:08 am
I told you about Banjo!
Now get out of there. There is only one angel so you know which one to use.
((Also, John is supposed to be scary. He has been scary many times before. Whereas Runaway is (as far as I understand it) only just exploring the possibility of 'being scary'. Her inexperience in scariness makes her all the scarier.
...
Or something.))
Post by: Tradanbattlan on February 05, 2010, 05:21:37 pm
((Also, John is supposed to be scary. He has been scary many times before. Whereas Runaway is (as far as I understand it) only just exploring the possibility of 'being scary'. Her inexperience in scariness makes her all the scarier.It also makes her so adorable when she does try being creepy~
...
Or something.))
:D
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 07, 2010, 02:38:22 pm
Appearances are deceiving, John. One who likes music, must have emotions, feeling. Those who can really feel, cannot deny love, John. Step forward, John. Love the teethed frog. Show it that you are not what they say you are.
> steal teeth and give to apple.((Apple is not in your inventory))
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2rgie0z.jpg)
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2cprh1z.jpg)
So, does John heed the advice of his new travelling companion, or does he proceed toward the banjo frog?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Siquo on February 07, 2010, 03:07:07 pm
Continue.
Post by: Armok on February 07, 2010, 03:20:53 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on February 07, 2010, 03:30:45 pm
Post by: Luke_Prowler on February 07, 2010, 03:38:27 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 07, 2010, 03:48:48 pm
Post by: 100killer9 on February 07, 2010, 05:07:46 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on February 07, 2010, 05:39:08 pm
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 28, 2010, 05:23:26 pm
Post by: Argonnek on March 20, 2010, 04:56:12 pm
Post by: 100killer9 on March 20, 2010, 05:32:32 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 01, 2010, 09:29:02 am
Epiphany
Part Two: An interlude in the Greylands
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4675/entersophia.png)
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2454/colorsi.png)
Part Two: An interlude in the Greylands
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4675/entersophia.png)
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2454/colorsi.png)
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2200/18970900.png): "So, aren't you all dying to introduce yourselves to the next chosen one?"
Post by: Dragooble on June 01, 2010, 09:34:48 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 01, 2010, 09:37:43 am
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 01, 2010, 09:39:00 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 01, 2010, 09:47:57 am
BEEEEEEEP!
Things are different from what you remember... You must share your control with a heart and mind unaware of your existence.
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on June 01, 2010, 09:50:49 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 01, 2010, 09:58:17 am
You thought it was all over? It has not even begun!
[REVIVAL]
WE THOUGHT IT WAS ALL OVERHMM
BUT IT WAS ONLY JUST BEGINNING
[REVIVAL, ALBEIT LESS AWESOME]
Anyway, on a more serious note
"Do not cry, little girl. You feel somewhat relieved. You should probably pick up your school-bag and get on the bus. I hope you studied for your test!"
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 01, 2010, 10:23:49 am
Post by: Knave on June 01, 2010, 10:31:40 am
Also, it looks like we've been crying... or bleeding out the eye... let's wipe those tears away shall we?
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 01, 2010, 11:01:36 am
Post by: Myroc on June 01, 2010, 11:05:02 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 01, 2010, 11:16:02 am
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 01, 2010, 11:16:42 am
Tell us a little about yourself, Sophia.Yes, Sophia. Since we are travelling partners, I suppose giving us a little introduction would be nice.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 01, 2010, 11:19:44 am
please leave a message that doesn't reveal her newfound insanity"[/b]
Things are different from what you remember... You must share your control with a heart and mind unaware of your existence.
Quote
we are travelling partnersD:<
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 01, 2010, 11:20:49 am
I like to consider us as such. :3cplease leave a message that doesn't reveal her newfound insanity"[/b]
Things are different from what you remember... You must share your control with a heart and mind unaware of your existence.Quotewe are travelling partnersD:<
Post by: Dragooble on June 01, 2010, 11:24:03 am
Post by: Lokii on June 01, 2010, 11:25:46 am
Post by: Armok on June 01, 2010, 04:01:00 pm
Anyway Sophia, tell me about him, please?
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 03, 2010, 10:35:37 am
Tell us a little about yourself, Sophia.
Sophia, tell me about him, please?
"And we shall make angels", what does that mean exactly sophia?
(http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/3479/her.png):<I am slightly overemotional and dramatic, though I try not to show it to others. I do not talk a lot to my peers, as I can't think of anything to say. I am an introvert, and don't have many friends; I wish I could act freely, yet am fearful when the opportunity comes. People see me as a student, an artist, or a scientist, but I know that I am none of these. My actions do not reflect my desires, and I cannot seem to figure out what those desires are. I hate insincerety, and shallowness. Most of all, I hate how I am not unique, and I fear my insignificance.
He died a year ago. They say it was suicide. They say that he mentioned me in the note. I never really talked to him before... and now I never will.
As for the grafiti, my parents aren't here this week, so I have to walk to the nearest bus stop. It's amazing how close the bad parts of town are to the good...
Some say that the "angel movement" is some sort of cult. Others say it's a gang. But it's nothing the police can't handle... This area is under constant surveilance...>
Pick up school-bag. Stand by bus-stop. Wait for bus.
(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8631/bus.png)
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 03, 2010, 10:46:41 am
Post by: Armok on June 03, 2010, 12:10:23 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 03, 2010, 04:23:16 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 03, 2010, 07:29:56 pm
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5195/josephpic.png):"Leave her alone, Alice. It's too early to hear you two argue again...
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5838/herjl.png):<That's Alice and Joseph. Alice blames me for the suicide. We used to be friends...>
Conversation initiated!
((Suggest Sophia's thoughts))
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 04, 2010, 06:11:33 am
> Can't have Alice as an enemy. "I'm sorry. I was staring. I was actually wondering where you got your hair done, Alice."
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 04, 2010, 08:04:26 am
Ask Alice if she knows where they make angels.
Post by: Armok on June 04, 2010, 10:25:50 am
Definitely awesome, Mad Enginneer.I think this might make sense.
> Can't have Alice as an enemy. "I'm sorry. I was staring. I was actually wondering where you got your hair done, Alice."
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 04, 2010, 10:37:53 am
I think it doesn't. Trying to suck up to Alice is not going to make her more friendly; indeed, it will probably make her less friendly. I do agree that Alice is probably important; she had ties with him too, making her important.Definitely awesome, Mad Enginneer.I think this might make sense.
> Can't have Alice as an enemy. "I'm sorry. I was staring. I was actually wondering where you got your hair done, Alice."
We should try to break the year-long ice with a non-standard line of conversation; Angels!
Post by: Digital Hellhound on June 04, 2010, 10:49:16 am
Post by: maxicaxi on June 04, 2010, 12:51:45 pm
why did he do this to me, for no reason !? i never had many friends now i have none.
so just leave me alone in my misery
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 04, 2010, 01:46:44 pm
it wasn't my fault, please don't blame me! i did not even know him. we barely spoke at all .This will fail.
why did he do this to me, for no reason !? i never had many friends now i have none.
so just leave me alone in my misery
I really doubt she's about to listen to you mope about.
We presume this is your morning routine. Do not engage in your morning routine.If you guy's don't want to do mine, do this instead. It's alot more logical...
Ask Alice if she knows where they make angels.
Wait...
That's it. Logic. All this time we've been thinking as sane (wo)men,What if that's the wrong thing to do? What if that's the cycle, Logic? What would be the most illogical thing to talk about?
Ccucumbers? No.
Letters from no-one? No.
Logic? yes.
>Talk to Alice about logic and the brain.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 04, 2010, 02:09:42 pm
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5838/herjl.png):<Ummm... I don't know. She will probably just insult my hair...again.>Definitely awesome, Mad Enginneer.I think this might make sense.
> Can't have Alice as an enemy. "I'm sorry. I was staring. I was actually wondering where you got your hair done, Alice."
We presume this is your morning routine. Do not engage in your morning routine.(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5838/herjl.png):<Routine... Bad? Now yes, that I believe. But there's safety in routine, and I don't want to seem awkward. Next thing you know, she will tell everyone I'm part of the cult. She really is out to get me...>
Ask Alice if she knows where they make angels.
it wasn't my fault, please don't blame me! i did not even know him. we barely spoke at all .
why did he do this to me, for no reason !? i never had many friends now i have none.
so just leave me alone in my misery
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5838/herjl.png):<I hate him and I hate her. I wish everyone just left me alone... I'm going to go sit in the back of the bus, in silence. Best not to be confrontational.>
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 04, 2010, 02:18:41 pm
Sophia, We just came from somewhere else. Now, I hate to meta-... Life? But so far we've had a whole lot of success with a guy from Tock. Does this name mean anything to you?
If not, the best use of your time on the bus would to be thinking about your world, life, and other things before we got here. The more we know, the more we can help you.
Also, yes, routine=bad. In fact, it equals death. I'm not trying to frighten you, Sophia, but there have been bad things where we've seen routine. Mainly memory stealing vultures and a city made of people drugged out on happy pills.
But, yeah. We're here to help and be crazy. And we're... Actually, we got alot of crazy left. Just try to listen to the more sane of us, because your world, if it's not Tock, seems to be a more melancholy insane than gibbering fool insane.
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 04, 2010, 08:43:47 pm
I think I found out why we can't see color, and what we may have to do here. Somehow, we have to break us out of our melancholy.
Making peace with the dead guy may help. How did he die again?
Post by: maxicaxi on June 05, 2010, 12:47:55 am
*B.U.M.P*
I think I found out why we can't see color, and what we may have to do here. Somehow, we have to break us out of our melancholy.
Making peace with the dead guy may help. How did he die again?
suicide
Post by: NUKE9.13 on June 05, 2010, 04:04:04 am
At breaking point, you may achieve total possession.You don't say...
Sophia, you do realise that it is your fault that he died, right? You know this. Why do you deny it to yourself?
Post by: maxicaxi on June 05, 2010, 04:57:07 am
At breaking point, you may achieve total possession.You don't say...
Sophia, you do realise that it is your fault that he died, right? You know this. Why do you deny it to yourself?
i see..... yes its all your fault you are horrible person you dont deserve joy you dont deserve death you only deserve life, life and sadness
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 05, 2010, 09:51:29 am
You are not responsible for his death! Embrace the madness, and he can come back! (who is he again?)
Post by: Armok on June 05, 2010, 10:24:26 am
Post by: 100killer9 on June 05, 2010, 02:34:51 pm
Ignore the other voices who are trying to manipulate you. What is the history of the past year in Tik? Think about that, if you know. Unless there was nothing of significance.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 06, 2010, 12:28:21 pm
Yea! Don't listen to those ****ers! You are a good person, there is nothing you could have done! And don't embrace any madness, you are in fact in risk of insanity, what is the state of mental helth care around these parts? Professional help may be worth considering, considering you're hearing voices.
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5838/herjl.png):<Help? Why would I need help? It's not like I'm hearing voices or seeing anything.>
<glad to see this revived.>
Ignore the other voices who are trying to manipulate you. What is the history of the past year in Tik? Think about that, if you know. Unless there was nothing of significance.
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5838/herjl.png):<Tik? Hmmm... What a strange word. As for my history, I don't know much. I live in the city, where nothing really happens. There is that angel thing, but crime is pretty common. Oh! I remember hearing about some sort of disaster in some impoverished country on the news! Uganistan, or something like that. I go to St. Valentine's for my education. It used to be prep school, called Democritus Secondary. It was very exclusive, until the owners filed for bankruptcy. Since then, the state has converted it into a public school. But there are little to no funds for the maitenance of the grounds, so we only have classes in the lower levels. We're like fleas, living on the skin of a dead dog, while the inside rots away... Oh look!>
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7508/schoolu.png)
Don't listen to them Sophia! They only want to have total control of your mind!
You are not responsible for his death! Embrace the madness, and he can come back! (who is he again?)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5838/herjl.png):<His name was John.That's all I know.>
Post by: maxicaxi on June 06, 2010, 12:51:27 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 06, 2010, 12:56:28 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 06, 2010, 01:03:02 pm
Sophia, I'm starting to see some connections. But...
Go through your routine today. Act normal, but be on the lookout for anything odd or out of the ordinary. Something big is about to happen...
By the way, your school is terrifying. Needs more yellows and blues.
Post by: maxicaxi on June 06, 2010, 01:57:06 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on June 06, 2010, 02:07:08 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on June 06, 2010, 02:22:06 pm
Sophia, are you fully or partially colorblind?
Post by: maxicaxi on June 06, 2010, 02:53:25 pm
Well, she is colorblind :P
ohhhhhhhhhh yeahhhh
Post by: dwarfguy2 on June 06, 2010, 03:16:50 pm
"i believe so, yes."
good. it will just take a bit of time to connect...
(OOC: great story! but does the rainbow snail have anything to do with anything? at all?)
Post by: Armok on June 06, 2010, 03:51:36 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 06, 2010, 03:54:11 pm
is the connection online?He stared this whole thing
"i believe so, yes."
good. it will just take a bit of time to connect...
(OOC: great story! but does the rainbow snail have anything to do with anything? at all?)
Sopia, listen to me, you actualy ARE hearing voices, or atleast somehting similar to voices, but for some reason you dont seem to notice!Armok? I'm pretty sure "Sopia" doesn't care. She doesn't recognize us as different from her own thoughts, so don't try to tell her otherwise. Please.
And didn't you say your keyboard would help fix your spelling? 'Cause it's not working.
Post by: maxicaxi on June 06, 2010, 04:17:07 pm
Post by: maxicaxi on June 06, 2010, 04:17:31 pm
sopia is a mxture between soap and utopia :P
Post by: 100killer9 on June 06, 2010, 09:25:17 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 08, 2010, 03:41:56 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on June 26, 2010, 02:43:17 pm
Also, anyone reminded of Rubyquest?
Post by: The Mad Engineer on July 09, 2010, 03:35:51 pm
John...(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9184/classroom.png)
Sophia, I'm starting to see some connections. But...
Go through your routine today. Act normal, but be on the lookout for anything odd or out of the ordinary. Something big is about to happen...
<You know, I find that on some days,...
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3640/cafeteria.png)
...I can go the whole 24 hours...
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6584/badgrade.png)
...without speaking to another soul.>
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4581/citystreet.png)
(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/2223/abouttochange.png)
Something is different!
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4956/himagain.png):"Hey, kid! Don't you know that its dangerous for someone of your age to go waltzing about alone in this neighborhood?!"
Conversation initiated!
Post by: Ochita on July 09, 2010, 03:48:21 pm
Post by: maxicaxi on July 09, 2010, 03:51:36 pm
I will lways be with you. Never forget that as I am you. "I am sorry sir, but there is no one else to walk with, I am alone and always will be..... this
Post by: The Mad Engineer on July 09, 2010, 03:58:58 pm
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9316/psychologist.png):"There is a curfew in effect, so not only is wandering outside alone dangerous, it is illegal! The Angel gang could be anywhere. You're lucky they haven't taken you yet!"
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):"I...I said I was sorry."
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9316/psychologist.png):"Look, aren't your parents home? Why didn't you call them?"
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):<My parents are away for the week...Can I trust this man with that information?...I'm not supposed to talk to strangers...so why does he look so familiar?>
Post by: Dragooble on July 09, 2010, 04:09:15 pm
Post by: maxicaxi on July 09, 2010, 04:12:28 pm
Do you have any other options?No! Tell him Sophia.
Post by: Argonnek on July 09, 2010, 04:13:52 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on July 09, 2010, 04:26:40 pm
Do you have any other options?(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):<Hmmm... I could lie or make a run for it. Or I could just brush him off. He looks like he works for GleeJoy though...>
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):<Ugh! I can't lie. I should probably tell him. Maybe he can help. I just don't know who he is...>Do you have any other options?No! Tell him Sophia.
Tell him nothing! What right does he have to that information?(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):<I can't just say nothing!>
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9316/psychologist.png):"Hello? I asked you where your parents are!"
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):"They...I..."
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9316/psychologist.png):"Oh damn it, don't start crying... look, I just think it would be best if you called one of your friends or someone who can help. I'd detain you myself for violation of curfew, but I'm on my way to an emergency meeting."
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7407/cardsf.png)
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9316/psychologist.png):"Now remember, if you see anything out of the ordinary, just call the number on the card, and we'll be there as soon as possible. If you insist on skipping about outside, I'd suggest putting it on speed-dial. The police don't really patrol this area."
*Obtained GleeJoy Card!*
Inventory [bag]:
-Cell phone
-Book
-GleeJoy Card
Post by: Argonnek on July 09, 2010, 04:35:51 pm
One more thing; don't be so sad, it's a shame to see a frown on a young girl's face.
Post by: Armok on July 09, 2010, 04:58:17 pm
Post by: Ochita on July 09, 2010, 05:03:04 pm
Go home, Sophia, this area isn't safe, and it really isn't a good idea to be out and alone in the first place. Keep your pace fast, but don't look like you're running away, that only attracts criminals.I prefer this- its less sad
One more thing; don't be so sad, it's a shame to see a frown on a young girl's face.
Post by: Siquo on July 09, 2010, 05:03:17 pm
Do not trust the fake smiles. If the Angels oppose Gleejoy, then they are either just as bad, or good. Are you willing to take that chance? Are you willing to leave this life behind and join them? Not much of a life, is it? I'd be willing. For any chance, at all.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on July 09, 2010, 06:25:37 pm
good.
sophia. listen to us. do NOT call gleejoy. if you do... well... let's just say it can be a whole lot worse then this.
look. you need to go home. sleep. i don't care what time it is, or how noisy it is, you HAVE to sleep.
Post by: Karnewarrior on July 10, 2010, 10:00:19 pm
Sophia, get home ASAP. Gleejoy are the bad guys. The Angels may be bad guys. Your friends are assholes, but that can't be helped. We're going to fix all the problems. WE ARE HERO.
Post by: Karnewarrior on July 20, 2010, 03:34:30 pm
he is lying to you he is lying lying
Don't listen. YoU HAve No COMMON sNS
DON'T iMPOSTOR
he liesLISTEN
:P
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 08, 2010, 12:39:18 pm
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Run. RUN. Keep away from shadows. look in all directions and be on your guard. If anything looks like it could be hiding something, or even slightly out of place OR suspicious, go a way that keeps you as far from it as possible.
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9713/beginning1.jpg)
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):<I'm almost there...>
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9118/beginning2.jpg)
(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5052/opendoor.png)
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):<It looks like I got a letter from my parents! Maybe they're coming home early!>
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7633/beginning3.jpg)
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5750/parentx.png):
"My dearest Sophia,
Your father and I have been spending a wonderful time here out and about on the beach with your aunt and uncle. They have just adopted the most ADORABLE little lap dog, of which I enclosed pictures. I know how much you love animals, Sophia.
The weather out here is wonderful, but I still miss my child back home. How goes it with school? I hope you aren't throwing any parties *wink* ! I know what it was like to still be young. Say hi to your friends for me.
Now, I'm afraid we won't be home in time for your birthday next week. You see, with all the fighting going on in Uganistan, all the flights have been delayed another week! Those rebels are so INCONSIDERATE. I suppose we will just have to extend our second honeymoon for a while longer.
Remember to study for your exams!
Ciao!"
...
(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/465/beginning4.jpg)
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):<Alone... for another week... nobody to talk to...
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/584/beginning5.jpg)
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):"Does no one out there care?!"
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4963/beginning6.jpg)
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(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9824/beginning8.jpg)
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(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2185/enteradvisor1.jpg)
Conversation initiated!
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Post by: dwarfguy2 on August 08, 2010, 12:45:07 pm
establishing a connection, but whatever works is fine.
sophia, talk to the specter. it won't hurt you as long as you
don't get it seriously mad.
also ask what his name is. if it says "devil", i am coming through this
uplink and slitting its throat.
let's not get so hasty, dr. ger.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 08, 2010, 01:06:20 pm
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1941/advisor.png):"Oh, Sophia... Do you not recognize me? Can you not see the subtle connections between us, the similarities that never went away even with the harsh passages of time?
I am You, Sophia. I have traveled forward in time from the distant past, to come and save you from yourself. I herald from an era long before any of your so-called "memories" took place, back when you were still an angel, and before you lost your wings and fell to Earth. I am here to help you, and nothing more."
Post by: dwarfguy2 on August 08, 2010, 01:09:51 pm
ask yourself what you want from you.
Post by: Armok on August 08, 2010, 02:56:55 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 08, 2010, 08:05:40 pm
>Why are you here now? Why not before... Before...
Post by: Flagrarus on August 08, 2010, 09:55:36 pm
Ask You/us why we need it's/our help
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Post by: Karnewarrior on August 09, 2010, 06:28:37 am
The Angels are a gang, remember?
Post by: Flagrarus on August 09, 2010, 07:18:09 am
Oh my god...
The Angels are a gang, remember?
( In the distant past? :o )
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 09, 2010, 10:13:56 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on August 09, 2010, 11:44:43 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 09, 2010, 12:41:21 pm
His name was Industry, right? The Big Bad?
Post by: abculatter_2 on August 09, 2010, 12:42:34 pm
Does this, or does it not look like Industry took this city over?
His name was Industry, right? The Big Bad?
Dream of Industry. Actually, I think he was actually some kind of theory then industry...
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 09, 2010, 03:21:42 pm
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(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):"What do you want from me?!"
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1941/advisor.png):"I want what you want. Your future is my future. And I'm very much afraid that you might not achieve your purpose.
You see, you starve for attention while rejecting every single opportunity that presents itself. You have the lowest self-esteem, yet the largest ego. You're a hypocrite, in that you despise hypocracy! And even though you don't exist anymore, it's all going to be okay. I happen to like you.
You think you live in a mad world? Well, let me tell you first off, you have no idea what insanity really is. You are one amonst billions, and you are not unique.
But that is about to change.
He is coming.
And you will kill him."
Post by: dwarfguy2 on August 09, 2010, 03:24:47 pm
dr ger, hush.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 09, 2010, 03:39:48 pm
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1941/advisor.png):"Tell me, Sophia. Have you ever heard of fractal recursion?"
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):"What? What are you talking about?"
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1941/advisor.png):"You will soon enough."
"How do I know you speak the truth?"
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):"How do I know I can trust you? You haven't been exactly forthcoming with me."
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1941/advisor.png):"You don't. You can't. But ask yourself this: How do you know you can trust anyone in this place? Has GleeJoy been kind to you in your short remembered life? Would you trust a psychiatrist of theirs? I'm telling you that you don't have to. The very fact that I'm standing here right now is evidence that you are mad. I don't think it is needed to prattle on about the Theory of Uncertainty at you. It has been SO overused as of late."
Post by: dwarfguy2 on August 09, 2010, 03:43:11 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 09, 2010, 03:48:31 pm
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Post by: dwarfguy2 on August 09, 2010, 03:59:04 pm
Post by: dragnar on August 09, 2010, 04:17:39 pm
Post by: Armok on August 09, 2010, 04:58:46 pm
Post by: dragnar on August 09, 2010, 05:26:03 pm
"Wait. How does 'fractal recursion' even make sense syntactically? Fractals are constructed using recursion not the other way around! Or is it some kind of metaphor that has nothing to do with the mathematical meaning of the words? "I would guess it means that the recursive time loop we have seen is nothing more than a small repeating piece of an even larger loop. A time loop formed of an infinite number of timeloops.
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 09, 2010, 05:30:50 pm
"Wait. How does 'fractal recursion' even make sense syntactically? Fractals are constructed using recursion not the other way around! Or is it some kind of metaphor that has nothing to do with the mathematical meaning of the words? "The answer is Oboe.
A cycle inside a cycle inside a cycle.
Sophia, don't trust anyone. Not gleejoy, not the Angels, and certainly not this thing. Whatever it is, it's not you. You're not it. And whatever it want's you to kill... Make sure your own path parallells his before you kill someone.
We are not this abomination, nor are we the abominations out there. We are normal. WE CAN SEE.
WE ARE ALONE IN OUR ASCENDANCY.
But we can take a few others. Those in your school. Some of the less willing Gleejoy. Others who, like us, are "Crazy".
IF WE ARE MAD. WE'LL TAKE THEM DOWN WITH US.
Post by: Armok on August 09, 2010, 05:50:56 pm
Post by: iceball3 on August 10, 2010, 12:35:14 pm
i'm gonna watch this.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 11, 2010, 12:38:36 pm
That has nothing to do with fractals. It's branching, recursive, and complex, but it isn't GEOMETRICAL. At best, a fractal could be used as a visual aid for thinking about it, but probably not.(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3479/her.png):"Wait! How can recursion be fractal? Shouldn't it be the other way round? You're not making any sense!"
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1941/advisor.png):"Oh, Sophia. We always were the intelligent one, calculating and cynical even in the face of terror. If you must know, I wasn't referring to "fractal" as the adjective of a noun. I was referring to it as an adjective of the adjective. A type of recursion: The recursion OF a fractal. For surely you must agree that recursive formulas can be unique, and there is a great deal of difference between the recursion of a simple cycle and that of a shape with infinite perimeter.
But this is not the time to argue about syntax or mathematics. In case you have forgotten, I've been explaining your destiny. Your reason for existence.
You are here to end recursion. And all you have to do is confront the problems that plague your life. The Lord of the Flies...his execution will come later. Do not worry about it right now. More pressing problems are closing in. And we cannot allow them to break you."
Post by: dwarfguy2 on August 11, 2010, 12:51:57 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 11, 2010, 01:52:36 pm
Does the Earth have a purpose? No, it circles the sun, but that is no purpose. Purpose is a human concept, and I need no purpose.
"'purpose' aside, What would you have me do? I can't guarantee I'll do it, but I'd like to see if you have any better ideas of carrying out my... Plan."
Post by: Armok on August 11, 2010, 02:15:17 pm
Unless you're implying some kind of metatime, there is no cart of Present circling around the looping track of time, it's just a static ring with no oscillation to render unstable."
Post by: dragnar on August 11, 2010, 02:50:42 pm
"Wait a moment, the kind of recursion stable timeloops belong to does not exist inside time, so the concept of change, of wich ending is a subtype, is nonsensical!Outside of mathematics no resursion is perfect. These timeloops are NOT stable, they repeat with minor changes every time through the loop. A perfect timeloop cannot end, but even a slight flaw in the recursion can build up more and more until the loop is broken. Think of the loop as being like a top: it seems to repeat, but eventually it will begin to falter, and then collapse.
Unless you're implying some kind of metatime, there is no cart of Present circling around the looping track of time, it's just a static ring with no oscillation to render unstable."
Post by: Armok on August 11, 2010, 03:04:05 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 11, 2010, 03:55:01 pm
Post by: Armok on August 11, 2010, 04:17:04 pm
Post by: Zako on August 11, 2010, 04:39:23 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 11, 2010, 05:02:10 pm
"Wait a moment, the kind of recursion stable timeloops belong to does not exist inside time, so the concept of change, of wich ending is a subtype, is nonsensical!(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2200/18970900.png): We're sorry, the line is busy. Ple-
Unless you're implying some kind of metatime, there is no cart of Present circling around the looping track of time, it's just a static ring with no oscillation to render unstable."
^%^%$%$
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5751/belief.png):Do not interfere with the beliefs of my children. I will not tolerate the destruction of hope!
&*^$%$$%
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2200/18970900.png): -ease hang up and try again!
Post by: dwarfguy2 on August 11, 2010, 05:03:27 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 11, 2010, 05:06:53 pm
>Destroy hope.
Post by: Armok on August 11, 2010, 05:25:52 pm
Post by: Zako on August 11, 2010, 05:49:41 pm
Post by: dragnar on August 11, 2010, 07:01:57 pm
Do you actually know the math and physics behind this? Or for that matter, read my allusion to an explanatioid?Do you? This is NOT a stable timeloop, it CAN collapse after enough times through. Not to mention time travel does not seem to be involved at all, just events repeating themselves over and over, those involved losing their memories each time. Also, what "explanatioid"?
Post by: Argonnek on August 14, 2010, 12:47:26 am
Post by: Luke_Prowler on August 14, 2010, 03:40:56 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 14, 2010, 07:31:54 pm
Listen to it!
IT IS NOT YOU.
LIES (http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/hardchorale)
Yes, that made no sense.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on August 14, 2010, 11:11:48 pm
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Post by: Karnewarrior on August 14, 2010, 11:53:24 pm
Post by: dragnar on August 14, 2010, 11:54:44 pm
Post by: Armok on August 15, 2010, 10:17:42 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 15, 2010, 10:31:56 am
Post by: Armok on August 15, 2010, 10:36:00 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 15, 2010, 10:37:01 am
Post by: iceball3 on August 18, 2010, 12:27:14 pm
you poke the thread!
it twitches!
...
*flees before the angry mob arrives*
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 18, 2010, 01:51:01 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2daix36.jpg)
Post by: dwarfguy2 on August 18, 2010, 06:14:55 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on August 18, 2010, 07:19:08 pm
Post by: iceball3 on August 18, 2010, 07:42:03 pm
quick! to the bunkers!"
Post by: Scrippy on September 01, 2010, 10:43:20 am
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Post by: Karnewarrior on September 01, 2010, 12:44:56 pm
Ahem. Terribly sorry, Mister Engineer. My apologies.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on September 01, 2010, 01:14:01 pm
dr rhode.
establish a communications uplink with anything else that may be communicating sofia, if you would.
right then, one moment...
Post by: blackmagechill on September 02, 2010, 06:40:01 am
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Post by: Mekboy on September 03, 2010, 12:38:02 pm
This is awesome on so many levels.
Post by: rouninjae on September 04, 2010, 03:30:36 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on September 04, 2010, 04:02:44 pm
Post by: Argonnek on September 04, 2010, 04:08:15 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on September 04, 2010, 04:12:53 pm
Post by: dragnar on September 04, 2010, 04:19:27 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on September 04, 2010, 04:24:03 pm
Now now, who says cheddar isn't perfectly sane? Now swiss on the other hand...first time i've ever met a mysterious voice in an incarnation of a demigod so knowledgeable on the respective sanities of cheese.
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 04, 2010, 05:43:15 pm
Post by: Argonnek on September 04, 2010, 05:55:10 pm
Post by: dragnar on September 04, 2010, 06:00:27 pm
Post by: iceball3 on September 04, 2010, 07:40:48 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on September 05, 2010, 07:51:13 am
Demigod, perhaps, but can he DANCE?!the last incarnation could. wasn't his name john?
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 05, 2010, 09:48:34 am
Post by: mcclay on September 05, 2010, 10:09:58 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on September 05, 2010, 10:59:20 am
Ah, yes. I miss the little bugger. Though it was a little cramped inside of that hat. Could have been worse though.you mean you were in john? we missed that incarnation. thought it was over.
yes, indeed we did. we hoped so. this war needs to be over soon. war is hell.
Post by: mcclay on September 05, 2010, 11:15:57 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on September 05, 2010, 11:34:21 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 05, 2010, 11:44:28 am
\____/
Yay!
Post by: mcclay on September 05, 2010, 04:46:38 pm
Post by: mcclay on September 21, 2010, 05:16:11 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 21, 2010, 06:50:43 pm
Post by: mcclay on September 22, 2010, 08:55:05 pm
Post by: maxicaxi on September 24, 2010, 05:32:32 am
Post by: mcclay on September 25, 2010, 07:22:02 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on September 25, 2010, 08:15:29 pm
Joooooooohn... Joooooooohn. Soooooooophia? Sooooooooooophia, listen to me!
Post by: abculatter_2 on September 30, 2010, 09:51:31 pm
It makes me sad.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on October 01, 2010, 08:22:58 am
Post by: FuzzyZergling on October 01, 2010, 10:37:37 am
TME's last post was on August 31st.
Therefore, TME has been online, but has not posted anything anywhere, indicating a deficit of time.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on October 01, 2010, 10:41:47 am
Um. Is this dead? I don't want it to be dead. I want to see the awesomeness of BOSS DEBATES again.
Post by: Armok on October 01, 2010, 01:24:06 pm
Post by: Tradanbattlan on October 01, 2010, 05:11:55 pm
Catering to us certainly wouldnt be something that could be done in a short period of time.
Post by: mcclay on October 05, 2010, 08:42:44 pm
Post by: mcclay on October 07, 2010, 05:12:20 pm
Post by: mcclay on November 05, 2010, 06:11:56 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 05, 2010, 06:29:29 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 05, 2010, 08:16:31 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 05, 2010, 09:49:19 pm
Post by: iceball3 on November 06, 2010, 05:54:51 am
We should just get a moderator to lock this thread so it will stop mocking us.
Threetoe?
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 06, 2010, 06:23:55 pm
Post by: iceball3 on November 06, 2010, 06:38:47 pm
Also, may i suggest that the spinoff would primarily focus on the "escence" of the story rather then events? Because we problably shouldn't copy the protagonist, so the rats and the scavengers wouldn't exist, at least as they are. Maybe try a much more different setting.
Post by: mcclay on November 06, 2010, 06:51:00 pm
On a hopefully better note, I have a friend on another fourm who is agreat artist and I could possibly have her send me art to my account there and then copy it and put it here. That is if you guys don't mind anime style drawings.
Post by: iceball3 on November 06, 2010, 06:55:23 pm
Post by: mcclay on November 07, 2010, 04:14:23 pm
Post by: Armok on November 07, 2010, 06:51:42 pm
Post by: iceball3 on November 07, 2010, 07:40:59 pm
:(Stop that. TME has given up. It's over.
Just feel nice that someone else is taking up a new game altogether. We can't just continue the story because it belongs TME, whether he abandoned it or not.
Post by: maxicaxi on November 08, 2010, 02:18:10 am
:(
Post by: mcclay on November 08, 2010, 06:21:24 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 08, 2010, 09:43:15 pm
Double joke x2 combo!!!
Post by: rawr359 on November 08, 2010, 11:40:07 pm
ARE YOU STILL IN THERE
DADDY STILL LOVES HIS JOHNNY BOY
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 09, 2010, 08:06:12 pm
First off, let me apologize for the dearth of updates over the last six months, culminating in the absolute silence in the past twelve weeks. I would be lying if I said that I have been busy preparing something big, or even that I am involved with real life issues. I believe this to be the problem. For the last part of this year, I haven't had much to be mad about, or sad over. The memories of a darker, albeit more interesting, time of my life are fading like autumn leaves. DNTTRS has increasingly become a memoir.
But before you write me off, I would also be lying if I said that I have given up on this. It still amazes me that even with shitty pictures, nonexistent updates, and a story more crazy than cheddar cheese, you guys are willing to stay on, and even bring in another artist to make sure it doesn't die. I guess if it was just a trick to make me come back, it sure worked.
I can't let you guys take away my story. I can't, however, leave you, in good conscience, with a permanent hiatus. It's as much your story as it is mine. I have some really really cool things (to me, anyway) planned, but I cannot promise better artwork or anything like that in the short term. I will, however, never give up on this. This is a very important story to me, and I cannot leave it alone. If I haven't come up with something amazing in the next couple of weeks, feel free to replace me with someone better :P . If the other artist is still interested, we could maybe work something out over PM. I'm open to ideas :)
Thanks for your time,
TME
PS: I will start updating normally (Nothing special, just from where we were) this Friday, and try to get my scanner up and running so I can do a more immediate response schedule from next week onwards. Will keep you all posted!
tl;dr: Get thee 'way, scavengers!
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2584/tock.png)
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 08:10:49 pm
SO MUCH WIN.
Post by: iceball3 on November 09, 2010, 08:13:57 pm
Really at that point i had honestly given up hope on you Engineer. We weren't going to mangle your story as much as make a new one to fit the mood.
I welcome you back only reluctantly as you had not spared a post to let us know you were back. But i still welcome you. I hope you would give us some warning really.
I forgive.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 09, 2010, 08:22:28 pm
Yes. YES.No Org. It isn't win. It is very much fail on my part. I should have been more open to you guys.
SO MUCH WIN.
It wasn't a test. We were actually going to do it.You're absolutely right. I understand, it wasn't a test, and a new story would be very interesting. I was just saying that the thought of someone else coming along to do a better job just kind of pulled me out of my rut. Thanks for your thoughts. I'll try not to let you guys down this time. :)
Really at that point i had honestly given up hope on you Engineer. We weren't going to mangle your story as much as make a new one to fit the mood.
I welcome you back only reluctantly as you had not spared a post to let us know you were back. But i still welcome you. I hope you would give us some warning really.
I forgive.
Post by: iceball3 on November 09, 2010, 08:35:14 pm
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 08:49:11 pm
But its back...Yes. YES.No Org. It isn't win. It is very much fail on my part. I should have been more open to you guys.
SO MUCH WIN.It wasn't a test. We were actually going to do it.You're absolutely right. I understand, it wasn't a test, and a new story would be very interesting. I was just saying that the thought of someone else coming along to do a better job just kind of pulled me out of my rut. Thanks for your thoughts. I'll try not to let you guys down this time. :)
Really at that point i had honestly given up hope on you Engineer. We weren't going to mangle your story as much as make a new one to fit the mood.
I welcome you back only reluctantly as you had not spared a post to let us know you were back. But i still welcome you. I hope you would give us some warning really.
I forgive.
So it makes it so much better!
Post by: blackmagechill on November 09, 2010, 09:01:33 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 09, 2010, 09:28:11 pm
And Engineer, don't write off your drawing skill!
It is much better than anything I could do, even the scribble-style early ones.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 09, 2010, 09:58:51 pm
Post by: Siquo on November 10, 2010, 09:16:05 am
That said... It's Alive! Rejoice!
Post by: Armok on November 10, 2010, 09:34:29 am
It's alive! It's back! YOU'RE BACK!!!! :D
*Armok hugs TME!* ^_^
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 10, 2010, 01:12:10 pm
Hickory dickory dock,
the rats ran up the clock,
the clock struck back
it all went black,
Hickory,
dickory,
Tok.
Sung just like the nursery rhyme, but slower.
Post by: maxicaxi on November 10, 2010, 02:17:49 pm
You don't owe us anything. We leech off your creativity, maybe even feed it, but have no rights to your time.
That said... It's Alive! Rejoice!
Post by: mcclay on November 10, 2010, 09:18:01 pm
sorry about the massive amount of cussing but I am extrmenly happy. I may still bring my friend in to maybe to a sotry form a another charcters prespctive but if thant's not okay wiht you I won't.
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 09:55:03 pm
HELL YES. FUCK YES. HELL FUCKING YES.
Post by: Siquo on November 11, 2010, 08:15:18 am
Post by: mcclay on November 12, 2010, 10:07:19 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 12, 2010, 11:53:55 pm
And now, on with the madness.
----------------------
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"Tell me Sophia, when last did you see in color? When last could you appreciate the green of a meadow, the leaves of the tree, or the satisfying grey brown of its trunk?"
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"What?! Why do you care? There are no trees around here to see in the first place..."
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"Ah, it saddens me, is all. The eyes of the innocent, taken away so soon in life. What are we without our eyes? And without them, how does one awaken? But those are questions for a later time, Sophia. Someone is here to tell you a lie..."
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9213/knockknock.jpg)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"Who can it be at this hour?!"
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1066/hellothere.png)
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5195/josephpic.png):"Um, hi there, Soph. I just came by to say sorry about this morning. Alice being my sister and all... I couldn't really... I'm sorry. Is this a bad time?"
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):<"Joseph? Can he see the angel too?!">
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"No. Regardless, I wouldn't trust him if I were you. Which I am. You should trust me instead."
Conversation initiated!
Post by: Argonnek on November 13, 2010, 12:35:44 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 13, 2010, 01:30:58 am
Do not listen to the apparition! Believing in such illusions can only lead to madness! Thank the boy for apologizing for his sister, but assure him that it is unnecessary.This. Let's see how long the voices in her head can keep her from going insane.
Post by: dragnar on November 13, 2010, 01:35:20 am
Bah. Our paradoxical urgings of resisting insanity can't possibly make things worse!Do not listen to the apparition! Believing in such illusions can only lead to madness! Thank the boy for apologizing for his sister, but assure him that it is unnecessary.This. Let's see how long the voices in her head can keep her from going insane.
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 13, 2010, 01:43:36 am
It'll certainly be a interesting experiment. I mean, we can't possibly put her in a worse position than TME had her in. Dead friends. Dead world. Dead emotion...Bah. Our paradoxical urgings of resisting insanity can't possibly make things worse!Do not listen to the apparition! Believing in such illusions can only lead to madness! Thank the boy for apologizing for his sister, but assure him that it is unnecessary.This. Let's see how long the voices in her head can keep her from going insane.
Wait...
If this is a personal growth exercise, than maybe we have to manipulate Sophia into accepting death? Although we can't drive her suicidal, so we're in for some trick manuvering. We have a goal though.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on November 13, 2010, 05:16:46 am
Also, i jus realized, the groovy angel is in colour. Oooh! Is this significant in some way?
Post by: Siquo on November 13, 2010, 09:07:14 am
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 09:09:37 am
i see two doors of hope.
how convenient that he came when u needed someone the most.
he's kinda cute too.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 13, 2010, 10:34:25 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on November 13, 2010, 10:51:53 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 13, 2010, 10:56:06 am
Find a snail. Paint it with rainbow colours. Let the snail become your most trusted companion.DEAR LORD NO. He's the reason this war started in the first place!
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 11:24:12 am
at this point who is more trustworthy, someone whom you just met or someone that you already know? Your faced with the choice of giving up on the world that you live in, and escaping into a new unknown, or a chance at improving the the world your currently in, Don't give up quite yet, even if there is just a glimmer of hope, If it can improve everything in your life inst it worth perusing. don't give up talk to joseph
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 13, 2010, 11:35:18 am
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 11:47:45 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 13, 2010, 11:52:32 am
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 12:04:20 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 13, 2010, 12:06:37 pm
Post by: Burnt Pies on November 13, 2010, 12:14:24 pm
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 12:36:43 pm
Post by: Siquo on November 13, 2010, 12:39:04 pm
then whats the harm in making a rainbow colored snail if its not actually a rainbow snail?Besides, the rainbow snail wasn't even rainbow-colored.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 13, 2010, 12:41:22 pm
Post by: Siquo on November 13, 2010, 12:43:42 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on November 13, 2010, 01:00:59 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 13, 2010, 02:28:47 pm
Of course, they do fight Gleejoy. But whoever said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" obviously never watched that Alien vs Predator movie. People died.
I don;t think we should just run out of the house and paint a rainbow snail. That could end up being very bad, such as summoning the real Rainbow Snail. Which would not be benificial in our quest to get Sofia a acceptable life. The Rainbow Snail fucks normal shit up.
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 03:19:20 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 13, 2010, 03:26:09 pm
Accept his apologies.
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 13, 2010, 04:06:00 pm
What we have to consider is the motives of Past-Angel-Sophia.
What do we know?
Firstly, it should be obvious she is aligned with the force symbolized by the triangle eye. It is one of three recurring symbols which would seem to symbolize three forces in this world, the other two being the handless clock of tock and the crazy happy face of GleeJoy. They are linked in some way, how I don't know yet.
I would say we know the least about the handless clock. But what matters most now is the triangle eye. I believe it to represent the forces of Belief. The handless clock mentioned how scavenger had attempted to rebel, I suspect against Belief, but that he failed, and that he was God once, but since his rebellion failed, he is no longer. We know the Angels are servants of this side. Angel himself, and Past-Angel-Sophia.
So her motives are the motives of Belief.
But we know she wants someone killed.
A boy.
John.
He rebelled against Belief. She serves Belief. She wants John dead.
I don't want John dead.
Also, he may be considered dead here, but as far as I can see, Sophia only believes this because GleeJoy told her so.
Do you want to trust GleeJoy?
I sure as hell don't.
Also remember the title of part 2.
Quote
Part Two: An interlude in the GreylandsThe Greylands.
They were mentioned before, but not as where John is now. He may appear to be dead there, but they are not the only place in existence.
And don't forget recursion, John's recursion is far too important to the story to ignore.
John isn't truly dead, he's out there, somewhere.
She wants Sophia to kill John. But to what end? What about the fractal recursion bit? I suspect this means recursion inside recursion. But how? I don't know yet. I don't like this Past-Angel-Sophia. Not one bit.
>Sophia: Trust the Boy. The Angel thing does not have your best interests in mind. It may have your past interests in mind, but now your current ones. You most likely want to ally yourself with the one the angel wants you to kill. But for now comfort the kid. Tell the Angel thing to get out! You don't need other yous to make your decisions for you! You can do this without them! Just who the Hell do you think you are? You're Sophia! You're you! No one else! Not angel you! Yourself! Believe in yourself!
As to the Rainbow Snail: No! NONONONONONONONO!!!!!! It is your enemy, and most likely the greatest enemy you will ever face! I would consider confronting it until you can be sure of defeating it.
Which we can't be sure of.
So don't do that.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 13, 2010, 04:07:55 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 13, 2010, 04:23:37 pm
No. There is a perfectly reasonable Explanation for the Eye. But I'm afraid it means Terrible Things have happened to the angel...What do you mean? All angels seen thus far are connected to the eye. It doesn't mean terrible things, as Angel himself used it when he came back new in his time loop, before anything bad happened to him.
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 04:47:28 pm
Post by: iceball3 on November 13, 2010, 05:13:28 pm
Code: [Select]
Initiallizing...
Done!Hmm. So are The Knights Templar also involved somewhere? If so then we are on a All factions pretty much suck basis. So yeah, civilians are our friend. Accept the apology, dismiss the angel through pure willpower, and try to strike up some 'recent events' conversation.wait a second, If the angel is who she says she is (A.K.A. you), then I might be able to establish an uplink. Hold on...
Code: [Select]
Running Parallel_Conscious_Transmit...
Failure...Hmm, that didn't work. She must be Either you on a totally separate time-line (Not you), or your conscious must have been broken away from 'her'(Still not you).So she lied to you. Don't trust her.
Post by: Siquo on November 13, 2010, 06:22:42 pm
You're all still thinking about constant universes. A symbol can have one meaning now, and another meaning the next moment. It's poetry, emotional flow. There is no winning set of rules.
The scavenger was good, then bad, then good, then we didn't know no more. Rats beset us but became our allies. Until we were chased by them across the desert again.
The only thing constant, is that taking any side but your own leads to more misery.
Post by: Argonnek on November 13, 2010, 06:28:43 pm
Post by: Siquo on November 13, 2010, 06:30:28 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 13, 2010, 06:45:50 pm
About the rats, I find it funny no one has yet pointed out the similarities between John and the rat king in this picture:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 13, 2010, 06:47:11 pm
That does not make it less dangerous.
Only.
Of less immediate importance.
Post by: Armok on November 13, 2010, 06:50:19 pm
Also, remember the moral of all stories similar to this: to break out, do do whatever is NOT obvious, and to twist everything to your will and cheat and never ever play by the rules. And remember that in true gödealian fashion, if THAT ever becomes a rule it applies to itself.
And never take anything for granted. And remember to always question even yourself, or me, or any other process or entity no mater how trustworthy it seems.
Post by: dragnar on November 13, 2010, 07:29:10 pm
Trust the boy a little but not to much, do not trust the angle one bit.This... but do not totally ignore the angel. It is the only splotch of color in this world, and whether it tells truth or lies, that is not something to throw out simply from mistrust.
Post by: Armok on November 13, 2010, 08:34:33 pm
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 08:59:26 pm
im kidding by the way
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 13, 2010, 09:02:33 pm
Is wrong.
With yellow?
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 13, 2010, 09:05:45 pm
Settle down, dr. Ger.
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 09:14:31 pm
im kidding by the way
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 13, 2010, 09:18:01 pm
For now, treat the angel as you would a immensely powerful being whos purposes you are unable to fathom. As far as we can tell the All-seeing think of us as simple tools. They will protect you, but they will not do so for your benifit.
The Handless Clock seems to be universally bad. They are so far the major antagonists of the story, with very little productive comeing to us through them. Of course, as Sophia we are likely to have a chance at joining their side, and they will probably offer something really nice. They are snakes and decivers and cannot be trusted to do anything, even lie. They seems to be the mutual enemy of John, Gleejoy and the All-seeing.
Gleejoy appear to be the scientists of the group. They have proven themselves to be logical and cold. They have no morals and no scruples, but they are predictable and can be used if we are good enough. They seem to see most clearly the lines of power, and do not appear to be friends with wither the All-seeing or the Handless. They can likelybe manipulated, although a chance to pull the strings will certainly be pricey.
And then we have the Red Faction. This is the one John belongs to, along with the one girl missing an eyeball and a arm. I only named it so because all it's members appear to wear red, although wearing red does not make them a member. Stil, this faction can be trusted to feel compassion and be relatively honest, when it does not harm them. They are the smallest faction and have the least power, although the citizens will probably come to love them in the trials ahead. This is the faction we would most want to join, should we get a shot.
>Speak to the boy. Ignore the angel-you. IT's a manniquin. A fake. It may not lie, but it cannot be trusted to tell the truth in a way that benifits you. For the time being we must assume it has it'sown purposes in mind here. Listen closely and maybe it'll let slip.
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 13, 2010, 09:51:57 pm
It has all three symbols, the Handless Clock hanging off his hat, the Eye in the sky, and the GleeJoy symbol on his hat. AND the rainbow snail AND some bunny thing with a halo I don't remember ever seeing other than in this pic.
Whatever we do we must ensure this outcome does not happen again!
And the rats were behind the Eye door! However could those two forces be related?
As to Runaway, we know she had connections with GleeJoy, and when she said "Get away from me, you Monster!" she also said the the Handless Clock.
So she has (or had) connections with these two forces. Quite a mystery, that girl.
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 13, 2010, 10:00:19 pm
This disturbes us.
No.
Only you.
Sophia Speak And Receive Apology
Post by: Argonnek on November 13, 2010, 10:00:40 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 13, 2010, 10:08:27 pm
The Halo wearing bunny appears in tandem with the rainbow snail. Look at the very first image including it (the snail) as well as any subsequent images including it and you will see the be-haloed bunny dutifully reminding us that we are not a cat.You're correct. I wonder what its purpose is?
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 10:14:26 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 13, 2010, 10:30:55 pm
((cammina squirtle did u notice that he also had the scavengers(as in the vultures)/scratches eyes.I'm...not seeing either. Could you be more specific?
Post by: Scood on November 13, 2010, 10:38:38 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 13, 2010, 10:44:15 pm
Post by: dragnar on November 13, 2010, 11:37:51 pm
And possibly more importantly: What IS a cat? Think, have we seen one at any point?The Halo wearing bunny appears in tandem with the rainbow snail. Look at the very first image including it (the snail) as well as any subsequent images including it and you will see the be-haloed bunny dutifully reminding us that we are not a cat.You're correct. I wonder what its purpose is?
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 13, 2010, 11:42:46 pm
Cats?
Cats are a myth.
They do not EXIST.
Maybe.
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 14, 2010, 12:23:15 am
What are you talking about?(http://i.imgur.com/x5wat.jpg)
Cats?
Cats are a myth.
They do not EXIST.
Maybe.
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 14, 2010, 05:33:22 am
NOOOOOOOOO!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
*epicsplosion*
Post by: Armok on November 14, 2010, 03:06:45 pm
Post by: mcclay on November 14, 2010, 03:19:09 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 14, 2010, 04:45:18 pm
This cacophony wont do much good. There needs to be some way for Sophia to actually hold a conversation with players one at a time. There are a great many things I'd like to tell her, but shouting it all into the darkness like this simply wont accomplish anything.The point is that you can't tell her anything. Not yet. She is oblivious of your presence, because certain forces are preventing you from giving away too much about her world. You could try guiding her to enlightenment if you're patient enough. But for now, she has someone else to talk to. Hang in there, the light is coming! >:D
So far, the majority seems to be that she should talk to the boy, with a healthy mistrust of both parties, more so the angel.
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"Thanks, Jo. You really didn't need to apologize, I'm quite used to it at this point... If you don't mind me asking, what possessed you to come out here so late at night?"
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5195/josephpic.png):"Heh, you got me there, Sophia. The thing is, I was on my way to the Curfew Break party down at the Blue Cafe. James's mom is the owner, and she agreed to let us use it. I swear, that guy gets away with everything after his parents' divorce! Anyways, I was running past your house, and I remembered you saying something yesterday about your parents being gone for the week. Would you... that is... do you want to go with me to the party? I, um, understand if you don't want to..."
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Siquo on November 14, 2010, 05:10:10 pm
Sophia, go with him. Any change is good, and it promises to be interesting at the least.
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 14, 2010, 05:11:41 pm
We like parties.
You like parties.
I like TRUTH.
But this seems important.
Like FATE.
Go to this party.
Post by: Argonnek on November 14, 2010, 05:17:04 pm
Post by: Siquo on November 14, 2010, 05:22:10 pm
Or railroad, whatever, it doesn't matter ;) GO
Like FATE.
Post by: Scood on November 14, 2010, 05:26:40 pm
let loose, have fun, but most importantly live.
((
Funny how semi-coherent randomness inspires whole stories in people.*cough cough* LOST *cough cough*))
Post by: Armok on November 14, 2010, 05:34:11 pm
And I thought the idea was that she was MORE aware, and able to question and dismiss, voices? What way, more exaclty and specificaly, is a given indiviual written line here affecting her brain anyway?
Post by: blackmagechill on November 14, 2010, 05:39:13 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 14, 2010, 05:41:59 pm
Yea. Breaking the curfew is a bad idea, just take it safe, and got to sleep.
And I thought the idea was that she was MORE aware, and able to question and dismiss, voices? What way, more exaclty and specificaly, is a given indiviual written line here affecting her brain anyway?
It's putting a thought into her head. She treats those thoughts as her own, and will be puzzled and confused if she thinks of a word or symbol that has no meaning in her memory. Thoughts that just plain try to feed information into her head, (like saying "YOU ARE CHOSEN BY THE RAINBOW SNAIL AND WE ARE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD!!!1!") are screened out by unknown forces (though you can guess)
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 14, 2010, 05:43:23 pm
Funny how semi-coherent randomness inspires whole stories in people.It's called imagination.
Sophia, go with him. Any change is good, and it promises to be interesting at the least.
Sophia: Go to the
Spoiler: nacho party! (click to show/hide)
>Break through 4th wall and kill certain forces with the power of NACHOS.This cacophony wont do much good. There needs to be some way for Sophia to actually hold a conversation with players one at a time. There are a great many things I'd like to tell her, but shouting it all into the darkness like this simply wont accomplish anything.The point is that you can't tell her anything. Not yet. She is oblivious of your presence, because certain forces are preventing you from giving away too much about her world. You could try guiding her to enlightenment if you're patient enough. But for now, she has someone else to talk to. Hang in there, the light is coming! >:D
Post by: dragnar on November 14, 2010, 06:05:48 pm
Post by: mcclay on November 14, 2010, 06:12:20 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 14, 2010, 06:13:34 pm
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"This is a bad idea..."
Shut up! The votes have spoken!
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):<It's pouring outside!>
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):" ...
Jo, how long until we get to the party?"
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5195/josephpic.png):"Time. Time is the tool of the wolves, who howl at your heels, as they approach - you are unwitting prey for the hungry.
Yet you remain: the lamb has claws, and teeth. But does it have the heart of a predator?
Sophia...
(http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/1586/stormcoming.png)
A storm is coming!"
A storm is coming!"
(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7237/decieved1.jpg)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):<"Decieved!">
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"I told you so, you stupid girl. It is too late. They are here..."
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"Oh my god... "
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1084/angelcult.jpg)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):<"It's the Angel cult!">
Post by: mcclay on November 14, 2010, 06:20:33 pm
IT'S THE CLOCK WITHOUT HANDS, WE NEEDA GET OUTTA HERE.
wait, are those guns... shit. We jsut can't win can we.
Post by: dragnar on November 14, 2010, 06:26:21 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 14, 2010, 06:28:10 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 14, 2010, 06:29:16 pm
The clock strikes midnight on this venture. The angels of the TWELVE apocolypse have come and now they take away the maiden but they do it to spite the god who fell.
Tik Tik Tik Tik Tik
The maiden has no chance of escape for the angels have reach of infinity. No running, will not stay the bleak hand that descends upon this noir landscape.
Tik Tik Tik Tik Tik
SURELY THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING WHERE WE ARE GOING. THE ANGELS SHOW NO SIGN OF SLOWING! THEY COME, YOU FOLLOW, FOLLOW TO DEATH UNTIL THE HARVEST MAIDEN FREES YOU FROM THE CHAINS THAT BIND!
TIK TIK TIK TIK TIK TIK
THERE IS NO WAY OUT! WE ARE ALL DOOMED! DOOMED! THE APOCALYPSE HAS ARISEN AND NOW THE DEVIL BOWS HIS GREEDY HEAD TO THE FATHER OF TIME!
TIK TIK TIK TIK TIK TOK
All glory be. All honor be. We offer ourselves to the THEORY OF IMMORTALITY, for he will make us strog. We offer our souls as payment for time to stop. Stop. Stop. Stop ticking.
We offer our souls for the hands of time to be removed.
:-X
> SUBMIT
Post by: dragnar on November 14, 2010, 06:30:02 pm
Post by: blackmagechill on November 14, 2010, 06:31:21 pm
Post by: Scood on November 14, 2010, 06:32:47 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 14, 2010, 06:35:25 pm
Not betrayal.
What do you mean?
Salvation.
From the JOYOUS ONES.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 14, 2010, 06:36:38 pm
Remember, three factions, maybe more (the eye in the crown seemed like it had some allure of this.). There's Gleejoy, which seems to be the one controlling everything, scavengers who seem to be mildly dangerous, and the triangle eye- HOLY FUCK SCREW EVERYTHING I SAID THE GANG LEADER IS JOHN. I just saw that, and I'm going to say we need to explore angel's options.(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):<"He does have black hair, but that cannot be John. The hair is obviously dyed. It's like... someone tried to look like John... but why?">
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"That's a very good question, don't you think, Sophia? Heh. Speaking of good questions, do you notice something...strange about these three characters? I can count one or two things... or six each!"
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Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 14, 2010, 06:39:29 pm
Remember, three factions, maybe more (the eye in the crown seemed like it had some allure of this.). There's Gleejoy, which seems to be the one controlling everything, scavengers who seem to be mildly dangerous, and the triangle eye- HOLY FUCK SCREW EVERYTHING I SAID THE GANG LEADER IS JOHN. I just saw that, and I'm going to say we need to explore angel's options.HOLY FUCK NO HE'S NOT!
:"That's a very good question, don't you think, Sophia? Heh. Speaking of good questions, do you notice something...strange about these three characters? I can count one or two things... or six!"EDIT FAILED!
Bwahahaha I have found your secret!
Also I would like to point out there are no nachos here, and I only supported nacho parties, therefore none of this is my fault.
>Summon John
Failing that:
>Gouge out one of the grunt's eyes, steal his gun, and shoot the other with it. Then take the other guy hostage, and consult the angel you for advice, but don't trust it.
TME has crazy ninja powers.
Post by: Scood on November 14, 2010, 06:42:56 pm
Post by: blackmagechill on November 14, 2010, 06:43:06 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 14, 2010, 06:43:27 pm
They have hats.
Their hats are... pretty sweet.
Do you know who else had a sweet hat?
John had a sweet hat (the sweetest)
Do not not trust these men, Sophia (Which is not to say trust them!). I refuse to believe in a world where hats can lie.
(PS the sekret is that they are blind; hence the sunglasses)
>Gouge out one of the grunt's eyes, steal his gun, and shoot the other with it. Then take the other guy hostage, and consult the angel you for advice, but don't trust it.You cannot gouge out the eyes of the blind!
Ask the men why they are blind, girl. Ask them who took their eyes. Was it a friend of theirs, perhaps?
EDIT: WAIT NO 6 EACH NOT 6 TOTAL NEVER MIND.
HANG ON They each have 6 circles on them (both cuffs; in neck, on hat; on shoulder, on belt)
IS THAT IT
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 14, 2010, 06:44:32 pm
Frosty Tik Tik Tik. The iron in their necks or collars maybe but their necks are bolted steel and iron fire and earth and not the air that lifts the mad into the sky Tik Tik Tik Tik.
The bolts are in the neck and the hats are topped. The crown of the not-rat-king is on their heads but maybe a symbol of ambition or virtue? But the necks, my girl, the neck is where their hearts reside. Hearts of iron and steel and awful order.
Post by: dragnar on November 14, 2010, 06:46:29 pm
Post by: mcclay on November 14, 2010, 06:48:16 pm
it's what Jhon whould have wanted.
submit
Post by: Armok on November 14, 2010, 06:49:37 pm
Breath in. Breath out.
This is the angle cult, I have an angel conveniently at hand. If they realize this, it could either be very good or very bad. Said angel might know which, I should ask her.
As for what to do right now, the best might simply be just yo stall by answering his question honestly. Do not ask them anything or do anything provocative, that'd be stupid in our current position."
Post by: blackmagechill on November 14, 2010, 06:51:11 pm
Post by: Scood on November 14, 2010, 06:51:50 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 14, 2010, 06:51:59 pm
Bolts. Bolts in the neck. The angelic have screwed their heads on straight, unnatural. Tik Tik Tik Tik Tik Tik Tik the boss is dying sighing dying slow so slow like a snail in the frost he slows to a crawl and dies but never al the way. Always half of what he was before, never 0, always something but less than nothing.HOPY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT!
Frosty Tik Tik Tik. The iron in their necks or collars maybe but their necks are bolted steel and iron fire and earth and not the air that lifts the mad into the sky Tik Tik Tik Tik.
The bolts are in the neck and the hats are topped. The crown of the not-rat-king is on their heads but maybe a symbol of ambition or virtue? But the necks, my girl, the neck is where their hearts reside. Hearts of iron and steel and awful order.
(PS the sekret is that they are blind; hence the sunglasses)Nope, they are just chill dudes.
>Chill with chill dudes.
Those outfits look familiar... almost the same as Dreams of Industry. And the bolts Karne mentioned... are these not the angels, but instead mere impostors?Good idea: BOSS DEBATE IN AN ALLY!
They might be our friends, If theyare trying to look light john they might help us topple Gee-Joy(http://i.imgur.com/WPoGD.jpg)
it's what Jhon whould have wanted.
submit
They are aligned with the Handless Clock, who have been the greatest enemies of John.
DO NOT ALLY YOURSELF WITH THEM!
"Al right. I can handle this.THE ANGLE CULT HAS COME! PYTHAGOREANS UNITE!
Breath in. Breath out.
This is the angle cult, I have an angel conveniently at hand. If they realize this, it could either be very good or very bad. Said angel might know which, I should ask her.
As for what to do right now, the best might simply be just yo stall by answering his question honestly. Do not ask them anything or do anything provocative, that'd be stupid in our current position."
Post by: blackmagechill on November 14, 2010, 06:54:09 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 14, 2010, 06:57:26 pm
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):<"Shut up! I don't need your rhetoric right now. What do you mean, strange things? The hats? The bolts in the neck? Or are those collars?">
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):*Annoyed* "Six. There are six things that are strange, even for their stupid costume style. Good god girl, I thought you were just color blind."
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9752/cultistpic.png):"Ya know what, boys? If we take her before they do, we can really get Gleejoy pissed off!"
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 14, 2010, 07:00:08 pm
They are not good.
But better.
Than the JOYOUS ONES.
What are you willing to lose?
Post by: Armok on November 14, 2010, 07:01:01 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 14, 2010, 07:04:51 pm
I'm tempted to go with them just to piss off miss all-knowing angel.
Six is important. We know that now.
>Ask them their motives. What do they want? Refuse to go until they answer.
Post by: blackmagechill on November 14, 2010, 07:09:31 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 14, 2010, 07:15:07 pm
...
...
!
...
No, wait, that doesn't work.
Also dude they are about to kill the Girl. There is no time for talk, not anymore.
...
Ok, here is my idea: 1) It is not their costume 2) It is not their colour 3) It must be something else she is blind to
4)The six things are things we cannot see at the moment. Look above them- what does one find above puppets? Strings. Are there six invisible strings above each one?
Yes.
Fuck yes, that must be it.
You, girl! Look at the strings. All puppets have strings, to connect them to the above. See the strings, girl! See them, and snap them! Quickly now!
EDIT: !!!!!!!!
THEY ARE NOT EVEN INVISIBLE
HOT DAMN
LOOK ABOVE THE CULTISTS
HOW DID WE MISS THIS
Post by: blackmagechill on November 14, 2010, 07:20:13 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 14, 2010, 07:22:27 pm
EDIT: !!!!!!!!HOT DAMN INDEED!
THEY ARE NOT EVEN INVISIBLE
HOT DAMN
LOOK ABOVE THE CULTISTS
HOW DID WE MISS THIS
>manipul8 these puppets
more seriously:
>Look up above the strings. Break them too.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 14, 2010, 07:26:01 pm
I saw those and thought they weren't important. I face palmed when I looked.You are fully justified in your facepalming. Indeed, you would be fully justified in attempting a 2 X FACEPALM Combo. Perhaps with an added KEYBOARD FACE MASH for good measure?
Perhaps, in fact a....
DOUBLE 2 X KEYPALM FACEMASH
Yes.
Do that.
Do that now.
Post by: Scood on November 14, 2010, 07:34:46 pm
Post by: mcclay on November 14, 2010, 08:12:32 pm
Sophia: with what?
Me: I DON'T FUCKING CARE... JUST CUT THE STRINGS!!!
Sophia:... okay.
Post by: dragnar on November 14, 2010, 08:15:14 pm
with what?With the tool of the scavenger. Scissors.
Post by: Armok on November 14, 2010, 08:24:02 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 14, 2010, 08:24:16 pm
What?
How to cut.
The Strings.
Of course.
But it may not tell.
Ask And Recieve Pardon.
Post by: Scood on November 14, 2010, 08:43:34 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 15, 2010, 12:20:51 am
I kinda just realized, while in my dorm room, that I left my awesome DNTTRS: Part II folder at home. So that means that the next couple of pages are as good as gone. Now, here's what I'm probably going to do:
1. Start re-drawing the missing pages
2. Get back home around wednesday, then upload the pages that I feel look the best.
In either case... no more updates until Wednesday, unfortunately. Unless I magically manage to redraw everything before then, and make it better than it was.
So yeah... will keep you posted.
btw, Nuke wins an internet ;D
EDIT: Should I lock it till then, or leave the thread open to speculation?
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 15, 2010, 12:36:23 am
EDIT: Should I lock it till then, or leave the thread open to speculation?What would be the fun in that? ;)
Post by: Scood on November 15, 2010, 12:41:31 am
by the way do you draw these pictures by hand or with a tablet?
Post by: Argonnek on November 15, 2010, 01:10:33 am
TAKE THEIR GUNS! TAKE REVENGE ON ALL THAT HAVE BETRAYED YOU! END THE LIVES OF THE TRAITOR AND HIS SISTER! ALL MUST PAY FOR THE ACTIONS OF THE DECEITFUL!
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 15, 2010, 01:17:12 am
Should I lock it till then, or leave the thread open to speculation?
Thoughts.
Are a currency.
Valued.
Use Them Wisely.
Post by: Scood on November 15, 2010, 01:18:12 am
Post by: Siquo on November 15, 2010, 06:37:08 am
Look evil. Cut those strings. Initiate dancing frenzy attack.
Post by: maxicaxi on November 15, 2010, 06:54:09 am
Attack. This lamb has teeth. And the heart of a predator.yesssss
Look evil. Cut those strings. Initiate dancing frenzy attack.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 15, 2010, 11:26:59 am
dang it........o well cant really beat bad luck really.....go ahead and leave it open
by the way do you draw these pictures by hand or with a tablet?
I found that it's easiest to draw it by hand, and then edit the pages with a tablet in Gimp. It's a remarkable program. I don't have to draw everything in a scene on a single page anymore.
Also, there may be a chance that I can get the pages in on Tuesday.
Post by: Argonnek on November 15, 2010, 01:30:59 pm
Post by: Armok on November 15, 2010, 02:16:55 pm
Post by: mcclay on November 16, 2010, 07:39:47 pm
Post by: Dragooble on November 16, 2010, 08:07:24 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 16, 2010, 08:27:53 pm
Sing this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU)Why?
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 16, 2010, 09:24:10 pm
On a more serious note I wonder which theory is responsible for this cult here. They certainly don't seem friendly...
Post by: Siquo on November 17, 2010, 04:47:42 am
But Tock City was about status quo, timelessness, where here they are rebels, going for change. The scavenger might have turned the tables, and Tock lost to Gleejoy. The destruction of Tock city allowed Gleejoy to gain power. This is the world we created. Now we fix it. Again.
And again.
and again.
Post by: mcclay on November 17, 2010, 07:03:15 pm
Post by: Dragooble on November 17, 2010, 07:20:36 pm
Because that is the best possible thing you could do in this situation.Sing this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU)Why?
Also, is it just me, or does it look like the clock is speaking in that picture and not the John person guy?
Post by: Scood on November 17, 2010, 09:28:25 pm
Post by: mcclay on November 18, 2010, 07:33:57 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 18, 2010, 07:37:57 pm
Post by: Dragooble on November 18, 2010, 10:15:35 pm
Never question him.I think I'll question him as much as i want thank you.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 18, 2010, 10:36:57 pm
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9752/cultistpic.png):"Enough stalling, little girl! You're coming with us!"
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"Get away from me!"
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2783/getawayf.jpg)
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9752/cultistpic.png):"Heh. Is that all you got, you brat? Maybe a little 'education' will shut you up!"
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"I said,
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7234/snaph.jpg)
GET AWAY FROM ME!"
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2118/purge.jpg)
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"Wh-what happened?"
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6559/monstert.jpg)
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9560/cowardcultistpic.png):"MONSTER! She's a monster! Run away before she kills us too!!"
...
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"I...killed someone..."
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"Bah! Merely a puppet! It was self defense; not to mention completely untraceable... They're looking for a demon, not a sweet little thing like you."
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"Angel, I don't like this at all. First I see you, then I see Joseph, and then he leads me here. There are puppets everywhere, and I killed one, and I don't know what's going on!"
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"That wasn't Joseph, Sophia. Didn't I tell you not to trust him?"
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"But how could you tell it wasn't him?"
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"Simple. Did you see any strings? He was either a free agent, or nonexistant. I assumed you were expecting neither, so I warned you."
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5059/hermd.png):"What do you mean, strings?"
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"Look around you, Sophia..."
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/631/realcity.jpg)
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1941/advisor.png):"Your vision is my gift to you.
Happy birthday."
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 18, 2010, 10:38:43 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm sorry.
This was too good an opportunity.
To use this.
Now that my friend is done.
Being useless.
You really should get moving.
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 11:02:55 pm
Well, this was unexpected. I suppose they must be like the mindlings from John's time. What interests me is the power controlling them. I suspect that to be our enemy theory.
This purge thing also interests me.
Quote
Bah! Merely a puppet! It was self defense; not to mention completely untraceable... They're looking for a demon, not a sweet little thing like you.Sound familiar? Yeah, everyone expected John to be an evil demon thing too. I'm starting to see parallels.
Sophia: Go to the center of this mess. Directly under the cloud controlling this. Maybe we'll find something there.
Post by: Scood on November 18, 2010, 11:13:54 pm
Post by: Argonnek on November 18, 2010, 11:28:39 pm
Anyway, follow them! Break them all as you have broken the one! Their fate was sealed when they became puppets of our enemies!
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 11:32:13 pm
The girl's got spunk.So you would follow the whims of the angel? No. I don't want to please her, and I don't want to please whatever is controlling everyone.
Anyway, follow them! Break them all as you have broken the one! Their fate was sealed when they became puppets of our enemies!
That is why we should gather more info before we get all hasty and do something that'll doom us forever.
Post by: Argonnek on November 18, 2010, 11:50:14 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 11:53:24 pm
I think they're so weak because they're just mindlings. Didn't Scratches once say that only very few could actually kill, or cause any real change? John and Sophia are two of those.
They are way more powerful than pretty much any other beings here.
Post by: Scood on November 19, 2010, 12:08:23 am
oh and i think if thats true there are many more cities....as there are many more reasons than those two for a person to be considered weak.
i would say it more about John and sophia. sophia is mentally weak but physically strong, John is mentally strong but physically weak.
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 19, 2010, 12:37:56 am
They are the enemy.
But we have other enemies.
Like the JOYFULL ONES.
Crush Them With Your Soul
Do You Have A Dream Of Industry?
Use It.
Post by: Argonnek on November 19, 2010, 12:40:52 am
Post by: Scood on November 19, 2010, 12:45:03 am
Post by: Armok on November 19, 2010, 08:06:56 am
They are "puppets", but what does that mean? Presumably, that they are in on form or another, remote controlled, fully or partially, by another entity.
But here's the thing: there are very many, and they are controlled 24/7 and in much greater detail than a human playing a role. Each one requires it's own chunk of substrate - be it actual brain tissue, a computer, some kind of dream essence, magic, or anything else - dedicated to it. Further, even if the hardware is the same the models of their mind must be kept separate in order to stay in character, as you always have to do when roleplaying multiple characters. The model of each mind still needs to be imagined to think that whatever pain, joy, loyalties and choices it makes are real, and the computation of this unavoidably subsumes a computation of those things themselves.
The bottom line is: these are people, their minds don't reside in their body, but even if neither they nor the puppeteer nor anyone else but you realize this, it is fact: The only way to give an illusion of personhood this good, one that have held up for years, is to create what is for moral purposes an ACTUAL person. Intentionally or not.
A person are, at the very core, an idea, information. There is no such thing as an illusion of information, you cannot name an image of a text without it containing the actual text, there's just the very same information presented through a different substrate. Substrate has no bearing on morality.
Your past self may even believe what she is saying, and the puppet might be pulling a bluff, but that doesn't matter. You are Sophia, and you name is not a coincidence. A truth may be unintentional from someone trying to lie, and the nature of progress is that you are wiser than your own past.
Ultimately, it is a question of morality. Is moral agency being an independent structure made from carbon, or the ability to think and feel?
Post by: dragnar on November 19, 2010, 09:33:13 am
Post by: iceball3 on November 19, 2010, 03:58:11 pm
Just saying.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 19, 2010, 04:38:01 pm
PLEASE CONSIDER DANCING, GIRL.
CERTAIN FACTIONS IN OPPOSITION TO THE FACTIONS CURRENTLY AT LARGE ARE KNOWN TO BE ATTRACTED TO DANCERS WITH PSYCHIC ABILITIES.
(ALTHOUGH THEIR SUMMONING MAY LEAD TO GREATER PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE, FIXING THESE PROBLEMS IS RATHER THE POINT OF THIS ENTIRE EXERCISE; WITHOUT CAUSING THE PROBLEMS THEY CANNOT BE FIXED)
Post by: penguify on November 19, 2010, 08:08:34 pm
Hm, isn't john technically a puppet to us?I think Armok already covered that, a while ago.
Just saying.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: mcclay on November 19, 2010, 08:17:39 pm
Post by: abculatter_2 on November 19, 2010, 09:41:07 pm
(ALTHOUGH THEIR SUMMONING MAY LEAD TO GREATER PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE, FIXING THESE PROBLEMS IS RATHER THE POINT OF THIS ENTIRE EXERCISE; WITHOUT CAUSING THE PROBLEMS THEY CANNOT BE FIXED)
This logic is flawless and I believe it should be followed wholeheartedly at all times.
Post by: mcclay on November 20, 2010, 10:49:24 am
anyways to as I said before but wi=ithout punching the gang member's and running to the string place.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 20, 2010, 12:06:33 pm
uh, guys did you notice that the dead guy's pupils are broken hearts. That might be bad.Heh heh heh.
anyways to as I said before but wi=ithout punching the gang member's and running to the string place.
The broken hearts are a symbol of sophia's power. Their presence is a good thing, indicating her deteriorating mental state and increasing psychic powers- she used these to sever the puppets strings. Later, her powers will increase. By the time she dies and becomes an angel (a real angel, not a cultist), it will be a symbol that she flaunts upon her chest, confident in the fear it will inspire in others- beware, it says- this person owes no allegiance to the eye, the scavengers, or anyone else- she is a faction on her own.
Funny Stuff!
Anyway having reread sophia's motives, I must conclude that my previously suggested action was completely wrong. Heartbreaker must stand alone, unsupported and unsupporting. She will need weapons for this purpose.
Go home, Girl. Get some scissors. Afterwards, we shall go to the center, and start cutting strings until someone tells us where John is.
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 20, 2010, 12:16:51 pm
The party?
Shut up.
There is no party.
So the.
Party ruse was a...
Don't say it.
Distraction.
Sophia.
Let us continue.
Please.
So I do not have to listen to this one.
So A Distraction Is Needed.
You Make A Good Distraction.
Post by: mcclay on November 20, 2010, 08:31:56 pm
Post by: blackmagechill on November 20, 2010, 08:33:27 pm
fuzzy zergling, who the heck are your voices.Either sweet bro and hella jeff or John Goodman. I'm going to say John Goodman.
Post by: mcclay on November 21, 2010, 07:01:30 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 21, 2010, 07:24:59 pm
Hey.fuzzy zergling, who the heck are your voices.Either sweet bro and hella jeff or John Goodman. I'm going to say John Goodman.
I know those people!
You do not.
Know them.
They are fictional.
I Love The Nacho Party Ark!
No.
Please.
Not you as well.
Read And Feel Irony
My existance.
It pains me.
Post by: Scood on November 23, 2010, 07:20:35 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 23, 2010, 08:00:24 pm
Tell us that the birds aren't eating.
We wish to live another day
remember what came, what may
be true some future day.
time is fleeting
the sheep are bleating
tell us that the birds aren't eating.
Post by: Argonnek on November 24, 2010, 12:47:50 am
Post by: Myroc on November 24, 2010, 02:57:05 pm
Commence the revolution.
Light up the night. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpSHC1dqX1o&feature=related)
Post by: dragnar on November 24, 2010, 03:29:17 pm
Light up the night. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpSHC1dqX1o&feature=related)Perhaps. But not yet. First we must learn the source of the strings. We don't know enough to pick a side.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 24, 2010, 03:41:19 pm
We must never pick a side. Heartbreaker must stand alone.Light up the night. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpSHC1dqX1o&feature=related)Perhaps. But not yet. First we must learn the source of the strings. We don't know enough to pick a side.
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 24, 2010, 11:54:40 pm
We must never pick a side. Heartbreaker must stand alone.Light up the night. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpSHC1dqX1o&feature=related)Perhaps. But not yet. First we must learn the source of the strings. We don't know enough to pick a side.
Quote
Heartbreaker must stand alone.
Quote
Heartbreaker must stand alone.
Quote
HeartbreakerOhmy god, Sophia is a stand-in for TMEs ex-girlfriend. D:
Post by: The Mad Engineer on November 25, 2010, 03:00:11 am
And no, she isn't my ex. That comes later >.>
Also, update tomorrow. Happy November 25!
Post by: Siquo on November 25, 2010, 03:30:19 am
[/sarcasm] ;)
Happy thursday to you, all, too, and whatever's on the 25th in your place of the world.
Post by: Siquo on November 25, 2010, 03:38:48 am
Anyhow, that must mean it's a Significant Date with Symbolic Value! Speculate!
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 25, 2010, 11:11:46 am
Post by: Argonnek on November 25, 2010, 12:51:22 pm
Have you considered the possibility that she is heartbroken?We have been given a hint! Let us take full psychoanalytic advantage at once!
And no, she isn't my ex. That comes later >.>
Also, update tomorrow. Happy November 25!
Post by: Myroc on November 25, 2010, 01:33:07 pm
Post by: blackmagechill on November 25, 2010, 01:35:20 pm
You gorge yourself on November twenty second with food in celebration of the snail, and the awake the next morning to gorge on left-overs and find an update. Hooray.
Post by: Siquo on November 25, 2010, 05:08:43 pm
Wait, whare did you go to find the dates for the holidays? Because if Thanksgiving isn't on there I need to shoot somebody. :PWikipedia, and no, apparently USA Thanksgiving is an insignificant holiday. And it's not always on the 25th, that's probably why I couldn't find it.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 25, 2010, 05:26:23 pm
She was/is/shall be in love with John who 'committed suicide'. Her being heartbroken is hardly surprising. What is surprising is her apparent transfer of heartbreak to the man she killed. Hence, heartbreaker. Also, future her has a broken heart on her shirt, where someone else might have an eye, or the gleejoy face. Apparently a broken heart will become a significant symbol associated with her. And seeing as people are unlikely to respect/fear you for being heartbroken, in contrast to breaking hearts, which in this crazy world (where ideas are real and reality is a silly idea) can (probably) kill people. Hence, heartbreaker.Have you considered the possibility that she is heartbroken?We have been given a hint! Let us take full psychoanalytic advantage at once!
And no, she isn't my ex. That comes later >.>
Also, update tomorrow. Happy November 25!
Post by: iceball3 on November 25, 2010, 09:38:22 pm
You know that they are sibblings right? Unless incest is involved then they love eachother, not being IN love.She was/is/shall be in love with John who 'committed suicide'. Her being heartbroken is hardly surprising. What is surprising is her apparent transfer of heartbreak to the man she killed. Hence, heartbreaker. Also, future her has a broken heart on her shirt, where someone else might have an eye, or the gleejoy face. Apparently a broken heart will become a significant symbol associated with her. And seeing as people are unlikely to respect/fear you for being heartbroken, in contrast to breaking hearts, which in this crazy world (where ideas are real and reality is a silly idea) can (probably) kill people. Hence, heartbreaker.Have you considered the possibility that she is heartbroken?We have been given a hint! Let us take full psychoanalytic advantage at once!
And no, she isn't my ex. That comes later >.>
Also, update tomorrow. Happy November 25!
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 25, 2010, 09:44:31 pm
You know that they are sibblings right? Unless incest is involved then they love eachother, not being IN love.When.
Did this happen?
...Now.
What happened.
To then?
We passed it.
When will then.
Become now?
Soon.
You Guys Are Nerds.
Post by: iceball3 on November 25, 2010, 10:01:58 pm
You know that they are sibblings right? Unless incest is involved then they love eachother, not being IN love.When.
Did this happen?
...Now.
What happened.
To then?
We passed it.
When will then.
Become now?
Soon.
You Guys Are Nerds.
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Done!Hey mister red. What the heck are they talking about?
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 25, 2010, 10:45:10 pm
We do not watch it.
So much as absorb it into our collective existence.
It is rather awesome.
No.
Being in a shared dimension.
With just us.
And a bunch of stupid movies.
Is hell.
You are just saying that.
Because.
The Orderalways beats you at mind-chess.
Post by: iceball3 on November 25, 2010, 10:59:18 pm
Space Balls, It Is A Movie That We Watch Sometimes.Hmm, what are they reffering to, does it have anything to do with what I said?
We do not watch it.
So much as absorb it into our collective existence.
It is rather awesome.
No.
Being in a shared dimension.
With just us.
And a bunch of stupid movies.
Is hell.
You are just saying that.
Because.
The Orderalways beats you at mind-chess.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on November 26, 2010, 09:28:08 am
You know that they are sibblings right? Unless incest is involved then they love eachother, not being IN love.WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Post by: dwarfguy2 on November 26, 2010, 09:56:35 am
Space Balls, It Is A Movie That We Watch Sometimes.Sir. I understand your voice is meant to inspire awe. but could you please speak in one that is mildly more comprehensible?
We do not watch it.
So much as absorb it into our collective existence.
It is rather awesome.
No.
Being in a shared dimension.
With just us.
And a bunch of stupid movies.
Is hell.
You are just saying that.
Because.
The Orderalways beats you at mind-chess.
Post by: mcclay on November 26, 2010, 11:20:36 am
fuck yeah bably
shut up.
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 26, 2010, 12:04:18 pm
TME has passed the Maritime threshold. DNTtRS has shippers!You know that they are sibblings right? Unless incest is involved then they love eachother, not being IN love.She was/is/shall be in love with John who 'committed suicide'. Her being heartbroken is hardly surprising. What is surprising is her apparent transfer of heartbreak to the man she killed. Hence, heartbreaker. Also, future her has a broken heart on her shirt, where someone else might have an eye, or the gleejoy face. Apparently a broken heart will become a significant symbol associated with her. And seeing as people are unlikely to respect/fear you for being heartbroken, in contrast to breaking hearts, which in this crazy world (where ideas are real and reality is a silly idea) can (probably) kill people. Hence, heartbreaker.Have you considered the possibility that she is heartbroken?We have been given a hint! Let us take full psychoanalytic advantage at once!
And no, she isn't my ex. That comes later >.>
Also, update tomorrow. Happy November 25!
Personally I ship John/Depressed kid from gleejoy hospital.
Post by: Scood on November 26, 2010, 06:40:27 pm
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:03:41 pm
ScratchesxAngel forever!TME has passed the Maritime threshold. DNTtRS has shippers!You know that they are sibblings right? Unless incest is involved then they love eachother, not being IN love.She was/is/shall be in love with John who 'committed suicide'. Her being heartbroken is hardly surprising. What is surprising is her apparent transfer of heartbreak to the man she killed. Hence, heartbreaker. Also, future her has a broken heart on her shirt, where someone else might have an eye, or the gleejoy face. Apparently a broken heart will become a significant symbol associated with her. And seeing as people are unlikely to respect/fear you for being heartbroken, in contrast to breaking hearts, which in this crazy world (where ideas are real and reality is a silly idea) can (probably) kill people. Hence, heartbreaker.Have you considered the possibility that she is heartbroken?We have been given a hint! Let us take full psychoanalytic advantage at once!
And no, she isn't my ex. That comes later >.>
Also, update tomorrow. Happy November 25!
Personally I ship John/Depressed kid from gleejoy hospital.
Post by: Armok on November 26, 2010, 09:27:56 pm
Post by: Scood on November 26, 2010, 09:33:34 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on November 26, 2010, 10:23:16 pm
Stop that.
You are not allowed to ship.
:, (
Or use smilies.
Post by: iceball3 on November 26, 2010, 10:26:33 pm
Post by: Scood on November 27, 2010, 12:10:47 am
Post by: blackmagechill on November 27, 2010, 01:08:47 pm
Post by: Scood on November 27, 2010, 02:43:47 pm
Post by: Armok on November 27, 2010, 05:33:34 pm
Edit:
> Sophia: sloppy makeouts with puppet!
Post by: Argonnek on November 27, 2010, 07:16:44 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on November 27, 2010, 10:28:14 pm
Post by: Scood on November 27, 2010, 11:18:23 pm
Post by: mcclay on November 28, 2010, 10:43:22 am
Post by: Argonnek on November 28, 2010, 11:05:35 am
Post by: iceball3 on November 28, 2010, 11:06:22 am
TME. please post to stop what iceball3 started!!!!!!!!!!I PM'ed him a few days ago. He hasn't replied yet....
And i totally accept that the way people are acting right now is my fault.
Post by: Scood on December 01, 2010, 07:40:17 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 02, 2010, 01:12:44 am
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 02, 2010, 01:47:56 am
Ellipses are...
Fun...
Nobody likes them.
They are annoying.
Post by: mcclay on December 02, 2010, 07:00:51 pm
dude i think they're called ellipses
You know it's bad want insainty starts making sense.
Post by: mcclay on December 06, 2010, 06:23:49 pm
Post by: Mekboy on December 14, 2010, 05:20:42 pm
Post by: iceball3 on December 14, 2010, 05:38:52 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 14, 2010, 05:46:47 pm
For Most Original.
...What?
Most Original what?
Most Original forum game!
That makes absolutely no sense.
This is not a game.
It is real life.
...Why can you not.
Let me have fun?
Because.
I do not like you.
Post by: Argonnek on December 14, 2010, 05:56:13 pm
Post by: mcclay on December 14, 2010, 06:53:39 pm
I like chicken and shit.. WEEE!!!!!!!
Stupid 'umie, I kill you
see.
Post by: mcclay on December 17, 2010, 06:56:42 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 17, 2010, 08:05:34 pm
Post by: mcclay on December 19, 2010, 05:09:45 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 19, 2010, 07:41:17 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3003/advisorl.png):"All in due time, Sophia. Look: The strings disappear into the heavens. Unless you can fly, there isn't much hope for you, is there?"
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8839/herw.png):Regardless, I must get to the bottom of this... There seems to be a cluster of strings a couple blocks over!
...
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7475/bluecafec.jpg)
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3003/advisorl.png):"Interesting! It seems that that decoy wasn't completely lying after all."
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8839/herw.png):"My friends! They...they're puppets too?!"
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3003/advisorl.png):"This isn't anything new, Sophia. Only the birds and angels here are without manipulation. You, of course, are a special case."
"Now, shall we go to a party?"
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 19, 2010, 08:18:38 pm
I was waiting for this.
For like.
Ever!
Don't be so childish.
But yes.
There could be.
Valuable information to be gained.
To the Party!
Yay!!!
Post by: Scood on December 19, 2010, 08:59:28 pm
Post by: iceball3 on December 19, 2010, 09:04:30 pm
Post by: Zako on December 19, 2010, 09:26:00 pm
Post by: Argonnek on December 19, 2010, 09:38:03 pm
Post by: dragnar on December 19, 2010, 09:38:22 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 19, 2010, 09:52:11 pm
(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/9622/parent.png):"HEY!"
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1750/confront1.jpg)
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2208/alicepic.png):"What does little Ms. MURDERER think she's doing? I don't remember you getting an invitation!"
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3003/advisorl.png):"Oh boy, this one looks a bag of fun, indeed! I can just smell her jealousy... intoxicating, isn't it?"
Conversation initiated!
Post by: Scood on December 19, 2010, 09:58:23 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 19, 2010, 10:12:33 pm
its pathetic how she takes out her anger on the innocent, cutting her strings would put a stop to her torment, or is that the easy way out. maybe you should eat some cakeWhat is this.
About cake I am hearing?
No.
You stupid.
Idiot.
Eating cake is something.
That we should not be doing right now.
But.
Why :- ?
Let me put this.
In a way that you understand.
The cake is a lie.
Ohhh, that makes sense.
You Really Should Not Respond, It Will Only Make A Scene, You Know?
Post by: iceball3 on December 19, 2010, 10:16:43 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 19, 2010, 10:31:57 pm
Respond in the most apathetic and happy go lucky way possible. You want her to feel as awkward as possible and if she retaliates, then she's the bad guy. Try not to insult or any thing like that.
(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5337/herc.png):"Oh, hi Alice. Nice party. What do you want?"
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2208/alicepic.png):"What I want is for you to get out of this building! No one invited you! No one here likes you!"
(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5337/herc.png):<"Oh! She makes me so mad! I can't even think of what to say!">
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1941/advisor.png):"Hmmm... This is very interesting! Oh, what an amazing mind she has! Fear of the dark, of spiders too!"
(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5337/herc.png):<"Advisor, what are you doing?">
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1941/advisor.png):"Looking through her mind, of course. She already knows your weak spots: guilt complex, self esteem issues, all that jazz. I'm just evening the playing field."
(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5337/herc.png):<"That's not...right.">
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1941/advisor.png):"Oh! Oh... Sophia, listen to this! Her rage doesn't have anything to do with suicide boy's death!"
(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5337/herc.png):<"What? That doesn't make sense! Why is she angry at me?">
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1941/advisor.png):"Heh... Ha ha. HAHAHAHAHA! It would seem as if her main complaint is the fact that YOUR name was on the letter, not hers! Oh this is rich!"
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2208/alicepic.png):"Hey, BITCH! Don't you have anything to say to me?!"
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 19, 2010, 11:10:58 pm
Nothing to say to her.
As far as I know.
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 19, 2010, 11:51:20 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also demand the Angel tell you exactly who she mentioned she wanted to kill. I don't want her having any more knowledge we don't have than she has to.
Do all this while eating their cake.
Post by: Tradanbattlan on December 20, 2010, 12:25:45 am
Post by: Scood on December 20, 2010, 12:58:24 am
Post by: Siquo on December 20, 2010, 03:30:55 am
Go creepy style. Lower you voice, narrow your eyes, smile and whisper something like:
"Oh, how you'd have loved to have your name on that letter, wouldn't you? Don't worry, little girl. When it's dark, and the spiders creepycrawl all over your skin, it'll be your turn..."
Allies Schmallies. It's dancing time. But with a lot more cutting and a lot less dancing.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on December 20, 2010, 05:16:59 am
We like you.
I don't like this other one.
Break her heart.
Break it good.
Post by: Argonnek on December 20, 2010, 09:02:22 am
Screw this. No more shall we be tread upon.
Go creepy style. Lower you voice, narrow your eyes, smile and whisper something like:
"Oh, how you'd have loved to have your name on that letter, wouldn't you? Don't worry, little girl. When it's dark, and the spiders creepycrawl all over your skin, it'll be your turn..."
Allies Schmallies. It's dancing time. But with a lot more cutting and a lot less dancing.
This is a good idea. Once she is properly terrified, go to the music box, turn it up and start DANCING!
Post by: iceball3 on December 20, 2010, 09:42:07 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 20, 2010, 10:09:36 am
Confront her about her true complaint about not having her name on the letter. We need to end any animosity with potentially allied parties ASAP. We don't want anyone to hit us by surprise later, when we are busy with more pressing matters. We will also all allies we can muster. We don't know what we may end up facing.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also demand the Angel tell you exactly who she mentioned she wanted to kill. I don't want her having any more knowledge we don't have than she has to.
Do all this while eating their cake.
Screw this. No more shall we be tread upon.
Go creepy style. Lower you voice, narrow your eyes, smile and whisper something like:
"Oh, how you'd have loved to have your name on that letter, wouldn't you? Don't worry, little girl. When it's dark, and the spiders creepycrawl all over your skin, it'll be your turn..."
Allies Schmallies. It's dancing time. But with a lot more cutting and a lot less dancing.
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2208/alicepic.png):"What makes you think you have the RIGHT to even be here?!"
...
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2295/herh.png)*Grins widely* "Because of John's elusive love, my dear friend. The love that has escaped you all these years..."
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2208/alicepic.png): "...What did you say?"
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2295/herh.png):">:D You heard me."
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2208/alicepic.png):"RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!"
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1941/advisor.png):"Elbow rotation is a go."
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7646/confront2.jpg)
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1941/advisor.png):"Break her strings!"
Post by: Argonnek on December 20, 2010, 10:28:21 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on December 20, 2010, 10:32:08 am
Post by: Armok on December 20, 2010, 11:31:37 am
Do not cut her strings, instead do exactly as follows: Observe them, closely, see how they move and what makes the system tick, then ever so gently find the part that corresponds to her pain, and untangle it. Give her peace, a chance to live a happy life without that weight. To cut all of her strings would be murder, but to affect just the single one tearing her apart might free her.
Post by: Armok on December 20, 2010, 11:34:33 am
They are "puppets", but what does that mean? Presumably, that they are in on form or another, remote controlled, fully or partially, by another entity.
But here's the thing: there are very many, and they are controlled 24/7 and in much greater detail than a human playing a role. Each one requires it's own chunk of substrate - be it actual brain tissue, a computer, some kind of dream essence, magic, or anything else - dedicated to it. Further, even if the hardware is the same the models of their mind must be kept separate in order to stay in character, as you always have to do when roleplaying multiple characters. The model of each mind still needs to be imagined to think that whatever pain, joy, loyalties and choices it makes are real, and the computation of this unavoidably subsumes a computation of those things themselves.
The bottom line is: these are people, their minds don't reside in their body, but even if neither they nor the puppeteer nor anyone else but you realize this, it is fact: The only way to give an illusion of personhood this good, one that have held up for years, is to create what is for moral purposes an ACTUAL person. Intentionally or not.
A person are, at the very core, an idea, information. There is no such thing as an illusion of information, you cannot name an image of a text without it containing the actual text, there's just the very same information presented through a different substrate. Substrate has no bearing on morality.
Your past self may even believe what she is saying, and the puppet might be pulling a bluff, but that doesn't matter. You are Sophia, and you name is not a coincidence. A truth may be unintentional from someone trying to lie, and the nature of progress is that you are wiser than your own past.
Ultimately, it is a question of morality. Is moral agency being an independent structure made from carbon, or the ability to think and feel?
Post by: Argonnek on December 20, 2010, 11:40:30 am
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 20, 2010, 11:42:05 am
Ignore the crying girl on the floor. Go have some chips.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on December 20, 2010, 11:43:07 am
Post by: Armok on December 20, 2010, 11:47:19 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 20, 2010, 11:53:18 am
YES! BREAK THE STRINGS! END HER!
SOPHIA NO! PLEASE STOP! FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1941/advisor.png):"She is a bane upon your life. Destroy her."
They are "puppets", but what does that mean? Presumably, that they are in on form or another, remote controlled, fully or partially, by another entity.
But here's the thing: there are very many, and they are controlled 24/7 and in much greater detail than a human playing a role. Each one requires it's own chunk of substrate - be it actual brain tissue, a computer, some kind of dream essence, magic, or anything else - dedicated to it. Further, even if the hardware is the same the models of their mind must be kept separate in order to stay in character, as you always have to do when roleplaying multiple characters. The model of each mind still needs to be imagined to think that whatever pain, joy, loyalties and choices it makes are real, and the computation of this unavoidably subsumes a computation of those things themselves.
The bottom line is: these are people, their minds don't reside in their body, but even if neither they nor the puppeteer nor anyone else but you realize this, it is fact: The only way to give an illusion of personhood this good, one that have held up for years, is to create what is for moral purposes an ACTUAL person. Intentionally or not.
A person are, at the very core, an idea, information. There is no such thing as an illusion of information, you cannot name an image of a text without it containing the actual text, there's just the very same information presented through a different substrate. Substrate has no bearing on morality.
Your past self may even believe what she is saying, and the puppet might be pulling a bluff, but that doesn't matter. You are Sophia, and you name is not a coincidence. A truth may be unintentional from someone trying to lie, and the nature of progress is that you are wiser than your own past.
Ultimately, it is a question of morality. Is moral agency being an independent structure made from carbon, or the ability to think and feel?
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1941/advisor.png):"If she is destroyed, the puppetmasters live on! This isn't murder! It's a correction upon a life made a living hell!"
(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/322/herjp.png):"..."
*FLASH*
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3034/monsterflash.jpg)
(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/322/herjp.png):"..Am I a monster?"
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5192/confront2andahalf.jpg)
(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/4776/confront3h.jpg)
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1941/advisor.png):"...Is this even possible?!"
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2208/alicepic.png):"..." "Sophia...is that you?"
(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/322/herjp.png):"Yes, Alice?"
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2208/alicepic.png): :'( "I'm so sorry! Sorry for everything!"
(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/322/herjp.png):"I forgive you. Let's be friends again."
Conversation ended!
Post by: Argonnek on December 20, 2010, 12:01:11 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 20, 2010, 12:02:55 pm
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6105/crowdpic.png):"...I'll never understand girls..."
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 20, 2010, 12:07:24 pm
Friendship wins in the end!
That is.
Really.
Really.
Stupid.
No it is not!
Friendship is a power!
The Internet told me!
...Why do I even.
Bother.
Just...
Go have your cake.
Or something.
I'm done.
Eat Cake
Be Happy
Post by: dwarfguy2 on December 20, 2010, 12:08:50 pm
Post by: Armok on December 20, 2010, 12:31:25 pm
You did it! I knew you could do it! See what can happen if you just think outside the box a bit. : )
You've made your Conscience proud. ^_^
Post by: Scood on December 20, 2010, 01:18:57 pm
Post by: Argonnek on December 20, 2010, 01:24:47 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 20, 2010, 02:43:04 pm
But the chips are barbecue.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on December 20, 2010, 02:44:11 pm
BALONEY
OH, YEAH, WELL DONE. YOU 'DISOBEYED THE SYSTEM'
EXCEPT
I FEEL COMPELLED TO POINT OUT
THAT THE META SYSTEM- THE POINT OF THIS EXERCISE- WAS TO DISOBEY ANGEL
IN DISOBEYING, YOU HAVE OBEYED THE HIGHER SYSTEM.
Not that it matters.
Go enjoy the party. Parties are fun, and you need a break.
Post by: Armok on December 20, 2010, 02:59:07 pm
Anyway, you actually do deserve some cake, just make sure it isn't poisoned or somehting. Most likely it isn't but you never know.
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 20, 2010, 03:17:22 pm
Than the puppets.
Would also be poisoned.
When did.
You start making sense?
That is actually.
Sound logic.
Post by: Armok on December 20, 2010, 03:29:59 pm
Post by: Scood on December 20, 2010, 03:31:24 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 20, 2010, 05:58:29 pm
After the party - 10:00PM January 12, 2011
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9292/advisoro.png):"Sophia, about what happened back there-"
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/5198/herj.png):"No! Shut up. All this time it has been YOU that's done all the talking. That's over with. Now it's my turn. I don't know what sort of post-apocalyptic world or somesuch you came from, or why you seem so insistent on murder, but-"
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9292/advisoro.png):"It's kill or be killed, Sophia. Justice must come to the wrongdoers. That's how it's done in Tik."
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/5198/herj.png):"Whatever. In this place, you can't be Superman. In fact, a superhero would DIE here! There are no crimes, no killings, no oppression or revolution. The pain comes from neglect and mental abuse: the wolves, restricted by Law, have taken charge of the social fabric. Look around you, my angel. What do you see?
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9292/advisoro.png):"...I smell despair."
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/5198/herj.png):"Exactly. You don't even know what you have given me, have you? All my life I have been under someone's power - manipulated to the very end. But now, I have control. And what do you think I'm going to do with it?"
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9292/advisoro.png):"Um....gain wealth and power?"
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/5198/herj.png):"NO! I'm going to change the world. I'm going to make everyone HAPPY again! I'm going to remake society itself!
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9292/advisoro.png):"Interesting. A web of interactions, reforged by a self-made spider of fate? I appear to have underestimated you, Sophia. I forget that you are my future."
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/5198/herj.png):"And the future is bright, advisor."
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4264/control.jpg)
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/5198/herj.png):"The future is bright."
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tylui on December 20, 2010, 06:00:51 pm
Post by: blackmagechill on December 20, 2010, 06:02:49 pm
Post by: Argonnek on December 20, 2010, 06:03:46 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 20, 2010, 06:08:16 pm
Win?
You cannot.
"Win".
There is no.
"Win".
In life.
:- ?
And stop using that.
It is annoying.
Post by: Scood on December 20, 2010, 06:19:53 pm
Post by: Siquo on December 21, 2010, 05:58:29 am
How can you break the spell by becoming the puppetmaster yourself?!
Careful now...
Post by: rarborman on December 21, 2010, 06:13:24 am
I enjoy your artistic style Engineer, my only qualm is your occasional lapses in grammer (grammer noble) for instance...
There are no crimes, no killings, no oppression nor revolution.When using the negative connotation of "or" in a list it's always "nor", otherwise keep up the good work.
Post by: Armok on December 21, 2010, 07:44:05 am
You seem to be on the right track! However, that means you're on *a* track, so be careful. The future is bright, YES, but not to the price of being blinding or false! Remember time loops are involved, if you're not careful this path might well lead to you founding GleeJoy. However, you must not err on the other side either, and with excuses like respecting "free will" succumb to Status Quo bias and refrain from changing things that should be changed. This is a fine balance, and there are no easy solutions. You must not allow the world come to ruin throughout hesitation when the greater good requires sacrifice, but you must even more wearily look out for the inescapable human tendency to think the means are justified when they are not. You must be able to recognize the workings of time where change is a logical impossibility, for time is not mutable, yet you must avoid the trap of fatalism and recognize that there are many things that seem determined at first, but in fact are not! You must deal with the insane and the unreal, yet reason sanely. You must be Rational, all you ever have or ever will care about hangs on it, far more than you can imagine, and I am the force that will guide you to that sanity.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on December 21, 2010, 10:47:21 am
+Lurker
I enjoy your artistic style Engineer, my only qualm is your occasional lapses in grammer (grammer noble) for instance...There are no crimes, no killings, no oppression nor revolution.When using the negative connotation of "or" in a list it's always "nor", otherwise keep up the good work.
Haha. I'd like to think that my errors are fewer than that of most people. As for that particular error, my excuse is that Sophia's just a girl. Not many people can speak both perfectly and spontaneously :P
Armok: I planned that one of you would think not to kill the girl. But regardless, Sophia is an independent being, and her willpower is getting stronger.
As for the rest of you, I'd like you guys to please bear with me. From now till Christmas, I won't be doing anything else other than preparing future updates. We've got a long way to go, however. Think of it like loading an interactive cutscene. It may take a week, but I hope that once it's done, the interlude will be at an end.
Post by: Siquo on December 21, 2010, 11:04:47 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on December 21, 2010, 11:28:10 am
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 21, 2010, 11:32:20 am
Screw you.
Sonic!
You don't.
Even know what that means.
You just.
Do whatever your internet.
Tells you.
But.
It's never lied to me before!
You know what?
I think.
I'm just going to stop talking.
To you.
Now.
Post by: Armok on December 21, 2010, 03:57:13 pm
The loading times of modern games are killing me.This is the best comment.
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 21, 2010, 04:31:00 pm
The loading times of modern games are killing me.Someone hasn't played DF enough.
The loading times of modern games are heaven.
Post by: Siquo on December 22, 2010, 07:40:41 am
Someone hasn't played DF enough.DF was released Nov 16, 2010. Doesn't get a lot more modern ;)
The loading times of modern games are heaven.
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 22, 2010, 09:17:51 am
Post by: Zaerosz on December 22, 2010, 11:52:08 am
Post by: mcclay on December 22, 2010, 12:29:44 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 22, 2010, 09:48:17 pm
I started reading this, right from the beginning, at one in the morning. It is now very nearly six in the morning. I stayed up to read the whole thing, partly because it was absolutely incredible in several ways, partly because every time I closed my eyes some THING was behind my eyelids.Oh yeah the Theory of Fear. He acts a big game but just hit him with something heavy and he'll go down easy enough.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on December 22, 2010, 10:08:11 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 22, 2010, 10:13:28 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 22, 2010, 10:21:23 pm
It is gone now.
The Not-Clock man killed it.
Quiet.
We don't.
Talk about him.
Post by: mcclay on December 23, 2010, 01:59:24 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on December 23, 2010, 03:40:27 pm
wait, what about a not clock man???!!!He's an easter egg. You need to use the dupe glitch to get four pairs of your friend's eyes, then sew them to the effigy of the rainbow snail whilst it burns on Paranoia's Battlefield (you can find the effigy in the Scavenger's Citadel, but it won't work there). The Frog Soldiers won't storm the battlefield on time, and Paranoia will manage to summon his 'ultimate creation'. AKA the not-clock man.
He is basically just a re-skin of Order's Vigilant, but he is protected by Paranoia's Warriors, which makes things slightly harder.
Also, yeah, he kills the giant worm. He drops the Razor of Pity when you defeat him though, so you don't have to do the whole giant worm sidequest.
Post by: Argonnek on December 23, 2010, 04:13:30 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on December 23, 2010, 04:27:35 pm
Post by: blackmagechill on December 23, 2010, 05:24:37 pm
Post by: NUKE9.13 on December 23, 2010, 05:50:26 pm
Sometimes I find it hard to get when you guy are kidding. Though I could use some help with finding the Scavenger's keep. I'm always hung up in the rat levels.Dance fights, right? I admit that I spent more than my fair share of time back tracking, searching for more pills with which to auto-win those.
But you don't really need to go to the scavenger's keep until your third or fourth loop- it is mainly a repository of other things you can find in the game. I -think- you need the various Liquors Of Friendship that are scattered about the place to defeat the Demons of Reclusion, but I've been putting them off until I complete the Hunt Through Tock.
On that note, does anyone know if the medicated are meant to die in the hunt, or if you can get the Armaments of Time to them if you ride the dreamrails quickly enough?
Are you guys talking about Scavenger mode or angel mode? They both use almost the same dungeons, but Angel unlocks Sophia's story and Scavenger unlocks some minigames and the Tock path.Its easier with Angel mode, but if you want to find the not-clock man on your first loop, I recommend using Scavenger, if only for the increased chance of finding a Tear and getting the dupe glitch (if you have the Runaway's Sythe they always spawn, so loop as runaway if you really don't want to grind the Abacus of Logic)
Post by: blackmagechill on December 23, 2010, 06:01:40 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 23, 2010, 08:07:17 pm
How do I get out of the Theory of Industries Factory? I'm trapped behind some boxes...
Post by: Ochita on December 23, 2010, 08:13:20 pm
Post by: Argonnek on December 23, 2010, 08:20:53 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 23, 2010, 08:48:01 pm
Post by: blackmagechill on December 24, 2010, 02:57:47 pm
Uh, guys?Use Ideal Distortion. It gets rid of most ideologies and theories, attacking or otherwise.
How do I get out of the Theory of Industries Factory? I'm trapped behind some boxes...
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 24, 2010, 03:00:19 pm
I name this glitch: Industries Revenge.
Post by: blackmagechill on December 24, 2010, 03:01:43 pm
Post by: mcclay on December 24, 2010, 04:46:40 pm
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on December 24, 2010, 05:03:42 pm
oh crap, I'm trapped by Gleejoy agnets In Tock on Scavgner mode, I need help?
DANCE LIKE YOU'VE NEVER DANCED BEFORE!
Post by: Zaerosz on December 24, 2010, 08:15:29 pm
Post by: Argonnek on December 24, 2010, 08:55:13 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on December 24, 2010, 09:09:40 pm
It's me.
Post by: FuzzyZergling on December 24, 2010, 09:15:34 pm
Does not faze me!
Shut up.
We are not.
Supposed to let them know.
We can see them.
Post by: mcclay on December 25, 2010, 01:45:09 pm
Post by: mcclay on January 04, 2011, 07:46:36 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 05, 2011, 07:24:28 am
you said we would get update after Chirtams, it is now 2011 :-\.So did I!
Maybe TME and me are Collaborating.
Actualy we aren't I'm just lazy.
Post by: FuzzyZergling on January 05, 2011, 10:08:35 pm
U P D A T E O R I E A T Y O U R S O U L
Quiet Sanguine.
You are not a HorrorTerror.
No matter how much you want to be.
Post by: mcclay on January 05, 2011, 10:10:18 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on January 05, 2011, 11:11:13 pm
I am Choleric.
The others are-
Melancholic
And Phlegmatic.
...Do not.
Interrupt me.
It is rude.
Post by: iceball3 on January 06, 2011, 05:47:19 am
Sanguine is the stupid one.That is very sexy in a non-sexual way.
I am Choleric.
The others are-
Melancholic
And Phlegmatic.
...Do not.
Interrupt me.
It is rude.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on January 07, 2011, 04:06:45 pm
Post by: mcclay on January 09, 2011, 01:56:29 pm
Post by: iceball3 on January 09, 2011, 02:06:42 pm
Post by: Siquo on January 10, 2011, 06:21:39 pm
Can someone PM me when TME actually updates? I can't be arsed to see this on my replies and hope that he puts a post every time.He updates the topic title, nice person that he is.
Post by: mcclay on January 13, 2011, 09:42:20 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 14, 2011, 02:28:52 pm
Bear with me folks!
Post by: iceball3 on January 14, 2011, 03:16:22 pm
34 pages done, Level 74% loaded.It takes exactly two weeks to load this level, to 74 percent...
Bear with me folks!
Heh.
Post by: abculatter_2 on January 14, 2011, 03:37:05 pm
34 pages done, Level 74% loaded.It takes exactly two weeks to load this level, to 74 percent...
Bear with me folks!
Heh.
Which means that, if this rate continues, we have approximately 3.5 days to go.
Post by: mcclay on January 16, 2011, 11:41:42 am
Post by: iceball3 on January 16, 2011, 12:23:21 pm
For something this awesome I can wait 3.5 days.1.5 now.
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 18, 2011, 03:24:47 pm
Post by: mcclay on January 18, 2011, 08:42:04 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 19, 2011, 11:01:47 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Level loaded!
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(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6415/fall1x.jpg)
1/19/11, One week after the Blue Cafe Incident...
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3999/fall2q.jpg)
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9268/herg.png):"I don't understand it!"
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1941/advisor.png):"What's wrong, Sophia?"
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9268/herg.png):"Oh, hello Advisor. I haven't seen you for a while. Like what I've done with the place?"
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1941/advisor.png):"I see you were serious about the whole reordering of society thing..."
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9268/herg.png):"Yes, yes I was. As you can see, I've neatly reworked the relationship grid of my school to its most efficient state possible. Everyone is divided up into mostly m-f-f friend groups, which I've found to be much more stable than the f-m-m configurations... Oh! And no more enemies either! That's one of the first things I eliminated from the net."
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1941/advisor.png):"You've really come far since that first night, I see."
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9268/herg.png):"True... However, something's been bothering me recently."
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1941/advisor.png):"Can I be of any service?"
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9268/herg.png):"Maybe. There's a missing link to my chain, and it is worrying."
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1941/advisor.png):"A missing link?"
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9268/herg.png):"Everyone has relationships. Even those that do not have friends have acquaintances, at least. But.... there's this one kid on my wall that no one has even met before! He's in the school registry, but he doesn't partake of the social world!"
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1941/advisor.png):"... You sure about this?"
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9268/herg.png):"Of course I'm sure! Whatever is the matter? You seem less... ominous than usual."
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1941/advisor.png):"I fear it may be too late. Show me the photograph. I will take you to him, Sophia. And I hope for both our sakes that my suspicions are unfounded."
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5928/fall3c.jpg)
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1941/advisor.png):"They may already be here."
-----------------------------------
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/201/fall4p.jpg)
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1941/advisor.png):"Here we are."
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9268/herg.png):"The school? Why would he be here? It's much too late for a club or anything like that..."
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1941/advisor.png):"Proceed with caution, girl. There are more with him inside."
Post by: Armok on January 19, 2011, 11:55:09 am
Post by: Siquo on January 19, 2011, 12:43:18 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 19, 2011, 02:15:08 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 19, 2011, 02:31:06 pm
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3003/advisorl.png):"Are you safe, Sophia?"
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9052/herq.png):"I am hidden. There appear to be a lot of those cultists that I met the other day!
The man on the stage... he seems awfully short... he couldn't be!"
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3003/advisorl.png):"He is."
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/3203/fall5.jpg)
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3003/advisorl.png):"... It is the child in the photograph."
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9052/herq.png):<The other cultists are leaving now! If I go up the auditorium stairs, I'll end up right above the kid. Hmmm.. I wonder what the Dreams of Industry are...>
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 19, 2011, 02:38:03 pm
Post by: iceball3 on January 19, 2011, 03:01:35 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 19, 2011, 03:07:08 pm
Post by: dragnar on January 19, 2011, 03:13:19 pm
Go above him, where he can't see you, and ask about the Dreams. If he tries anything, grab the strings lightly and demand once more that he tell you.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 19, 2011, 03:25:04 pm
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5719/notreal.png):"Haha! I thought you might show up, manipulator! Come on! I dare you to try my strings! Order me around like the mortal I am! My seventh string will prevent all that. It was a gift from the clock, and thus you cannot touch me, you monster!
The Dreams of Industry, destroyed by the Scavenger, has been reformed! There was an aspect the King did not quite guess at! Soon he will be summoned again by me! Then the Graylands will fall! HAHAHAHAHA!"
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1941/advisor.png):"The clock man does not know that you can cut his strings. He worries only about manipulation. He is a fool."
Post by: Armok on January 19, 2011, 03:32:58 pm
It seems to be a misunderstanding! Now, you COULD just cut his string and grab the others, but that is a last resort! Remember that path of balance of which I spoke?
Now, lets ANALYSE the situation; this is a group of people in which your activities have caused unrest; quenching such things by foresee or manipulation generally does NOT turn out for the common good. You are not a tyrant, Sophia.
By my understanding, they think you are promoting sadness, or at least not removing it fast enough, and you should either be able to clear up the misunderstanding so they realize you are putting an and to sadness as fast as you can safely do while preserving sophont dignity, or in case they DO have a better faster plan JOIN THEM in implementing it!
By my understanding, they have plans of economic development of massive scales. This is something interesting and worthy of study. Mayhap their plans are risky or have greater human costs then their profits justify, but you can't know that until you have examined the details!
By my understanding, they think you are misusing your powers of puppeteering. Explain to then you are not using it likely, and only for ends that you to the best of your rationality think is good. Explain that you make the minimum manipulations possible, and avoid the ones that are closest to free will. For you do all these things, right, you're a good girl?
In short, you must confront them, with your mind open and intent to better yourself. Listen to their complaints, and correct the errors they have spotted in your judgement. Or, if they truly seem to be mistaken, simply politely show the error in their reasoning and data. Young student of reason, confront them in DEBATE!
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 19, 2011, 03:36:55 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 19, 2011, 03:45:23 pm
I don't give a flying rat's ass about the happiness of the city. I don't care about your pathetic moral dilemmas. I'm USING these idiots, little girl! I know full well what the Dreams of Industries entails. Total medicated submission. And I will be at the helm of the revolution!
There's nothing you can do, stupid INSIGNIFICANT child!"
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 19, 2011, 03:49:12 pm
*Mumbling.*
WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY NINJA POWERS!
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 19, 2011, 03:52:51 pm
End him.
Post by: Armok on January 19, 2011, 04:10:36 pm
But whatever you do, do not enjoy it or indulge in it.
Post by: Siquo on January 19, 2011, 05:18:20 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 19, 2011, 05:36:26 pm
It's time to CUT the chit chat. This guy is getting a little SNIPPY. His mind has SNAPPED, like a piano wire. If he won't give us a SLICE of his industrial pie...
End him.
He actually literally said he's not going to listen to reason and that he doesn't care about people. He's basically as clearly evil as they come. This is your conscience speaking, go ahead and kill him, I won't make you feel bad afterwards.
But whatever you do, do not enjoy it or indulge in it.
Kill him.
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7808/fall6d.jpg)
It is done.
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5149/fall7.jpg)
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6416/fall8.jpg)
Kssshkkshkskhkkkks!
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6656/fall9.jpg)
Purge...
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4034/heruu.png):<"Joseph?! It was Joseph all this time?">
(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/696/fall10p.jpg)
(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6706/fall11.jpg)
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9316/psychologist.png):"God damn it! This was our last chance! Our final scheme. If only I had recognized her one week ago!
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9890/psychwh.png):"What do we do now, sir?"
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9316/psychologist.png):"There's nothing to do! The birds are finished! We bet on the wrong horse, and Scavenger's going to cruxify us for what we've done to him! She was the only one left, the second to last one captured, and now the damned angels have got her."
Post by: iceball3 on January 19, 2011, 05:41:49 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 19, 2011, 05:45:43 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 19, 2011, 05:50:29 pm
Post by: iceball3 on January 19, 2011, 05:51:50 pm
Post by: Armok on January 19, 2011, 06:11:24 pm
Please, Sophia, fight the madness. Do not let this one moments lapse in control of your emotions destroy you. You are not to blame for anything. Come back. Please.
Post by: Argonnek on January 19, 2011, 06:39:45 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 19, 2011, 08:24:02 pm
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5707/fall12.jpg)
"I tricked all of YOU!"
Post by: blackmagechill on January 19, 2011, 08:42:41 pm
Post by: Evergod41 on January 19, 2011, 08:54:25 pm
also, 1K post!
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 19, 2011, 08:57:53 pm
I KNEW you were suspicious of me. I HEARD everything you bickered about. I USED that paranoia against you. All it took was choosing a different target.
Now, wouldn't any of you idiots want to know WHY I decided to break this girl? Or did you foolishly believe that my gristly appearance automatically makes me a monster?"
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on January 19, 2011, 09:11:41 pm
Sophie, do you heah wot vis monstah said? It said vat it trickd ye. vat mayks Joseph's def no' yoah foalt. So git up an' exact revenge foah ve pain it put ye froo.
Post by: blackmagechill on January 19, 2011, 09:17:35 pm
Post by: mcclay on January 19, 2011, 09:29:34 pm
Sophia, PURGE THESE MEN, THE MADE YOU D OTHIS KLL THEM ALL!!
for once I like what your saying sainty PURGE THEM!!!
I agree with these Gits PURGE THEM !!!
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 19, 2011, 09:29:58 pm
Really I can't tell anymore.
And now we've learned a valuble lesson: Tvtropes are there for a reason.
So we aren't going to listen to you anymore. We really don't care what you wanted, or why you did it. You didi it, that was that, it's over now, and you've wrecked as many things as you did. Not as many as you could, if you had kept up the act, but then again villains never do seem to be very intelligent.
Is this the part with the monologue? Oh, where is Reaver when you need him?
Oh yeah, enslaving children, making pacts with devils and killing the comedic relief. Oh Reaver, you silly bastard.
Post by: mcclay on January 19, 2011, 09:31:19 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 19, 2011, 09:35:11 pm
so, are we in agreement. purge the angle and the GleeJoy agents?No. She wants attention. Ignore her. Leave her to rot. It's only fair. She's a corpse.
Post by: Argonnek on January 19, 2011, 09:37:46 pm
Post by: blackmagechill on January 19, 2011, 09:41:18 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 19, 2011, 09:45:04 pm
John: Beat the living shit out of that frog that attacked you a while ago.But the universe is the frog... :-\
Here, allow me.
>John: Do the ressurrecty thing
Post by: blackmagechill on January 19, 2011, 09:47:15 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 19, 2011, 09:54:11 pm
This is the alternate future if Sburb had created a universe, and the replaced John with the memories of it on a normal world without it. He couldn't deal with the memories. Dave got a corporate job, Rose started a cult, and Jade.... no one has seen her since.Jade Ran Away.
<_<
>_>
That is the secret to her being cute while having one eye and one arm. Or more accurately, one and one-eigth of an arm.
Post by: mcclay on January 19, 2011, 10:09:41 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 19, 2011, 10:23:27 pm
As for the GleeJoy clowns, you really want to purge them too? Wow, And I thought that you couldn't get any more unperceptive. The fools have come to HELP Sophia in order to save their own sorry asses. The birds really have no sense of loyalty, you know. It's all about survival, which GL has provided them with thus far.
Me? I'm much less selfish... But you don't want to know about that, right? I'm just a corpse after all."
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Updates continue in the morning. I'm bushed.
Post by: blackmagechill on January 19, 2011, 11:03:39 pm
Post by: Argonnek on January 19, 2011, 11:07:38 pm
Post by: Heliman on January 19, 2011, 11:22:25 pm
If? Gentlemen, why say if? There will be another character, it is a cycle, a horrible, evangelical cycle that we are engraved in.
I say, that if we are destined to inhabit another body, why not
Can we make a child to traverse this valley, in the shadow of darkness, who has no fear?
Can we make a child, made to
Can we make a child, to be our own?
Can we make a child?
Can we?
Can
C
Post by: mcclay on January 19, 2011, 11:33:20 pm
Here he issssssssssssssssssssssss
fuck you angel, i'm tired of you bullshit. If your soooo powerful why don't you just banish us and be gone. The only thing i like is the Gleejoy agents. Let's help them by killing you! ;) :D
Post by: Heliman on January 19, 2011, 11:43:48 pm
Perhaps, oh my. Gentlemen, perhaps this is because
it can't?
it can
I
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on January 19, 2011, 11:54:15 pm
((I've been reading this, I'm loving this, and will be damned if I don't at least try to participate in this immaculate, sordid affair of crazy?))
((Me too. 'tis too awesome to pass up))
If? Gentlemen, why say if? There will be another character, it is a cycle, a horrible, evangelical cycle that we are engraved in.
I say, that if we are destined to inhabit another body, why notifwhenthenmake one of our own? We are but voices, gentleman, but a character of our own? A curious idea indeed.
Can we make a child to traverse this valley, in the shadow of darkness, who has no fear?
Can we make a child, made toCombatLovefindNothing the Rainbow Snail?
Can we make a child, to be our own?
Can we make a child?
Can we?
CanWe.We.
Can
Can we?
Lor, Guvnah. Ah fink ye've 'it on it. 'Tis a Perfick solushun. Ve ovvah shells were inferior. whe shall make Vis One perfek. we shall make 'im glorious. He shall be colled Chamberlain Ve Po'ent!
Vot? Vot kind of shtupid name ist dat? You are an idiot, mein Herr. He shall be callt... Aethelstan!!!
Chamberlain!
Athelstan!
Chamberlain!
Athelstan!
Ach, shut it, the twa of ye! Ye ken tha' we'll no' get ta name oor next victim. Bu' if we could, tha perfect name would, o' course, be Alexander.
*Blink*
*BLINK*
Post by: Armok on January 20, 2011, 07:35:52 am
Ok, back now, lets see wha... The HECK?!?
Ok, I believe this is the kind of situation where you say "Oops (http://lesswrong.com/lw/i9/the_importance_of_saying_oops/)". The show of utter stupidity from EVERYONE involved, including me, is truly astounding. There is absolutely no excuse for not seeming this coming, Sophia's self blame seem a bit more appropriate than I thought.
I still take offence in your insults, angel. I do wish to hear you out. What is your true name anyway? I hope your actions here have a REALLY good reason, or I'll be pissed thou. I were really taking a liking to that girl.
Well, at least I can speak openly now, you seem to have some grasp of the workings of your world. I wonder how much thou, do you know the nature of your existence? Do you know of Mad Engineer? Do you know things that he do not, even? So many questions, and many of them are not suitable for everyone present to hear, I wonder if said engineer could sett up a channel a bit more private and suitable for proper conversation...
Post by: Siquo on January 20, 2011, 07:41:49 am
The show of utter stupidity from EVERYONE involved, including meYou are not Everyone. My hands are clean.
Also, I am not sad. How can I mourn the loss of a puppet? How can I feel sympathy for a murdering puppeteer? Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm with Angel.
Post by: Armok on January 20, 2011, 07:49:47 am
Post by: Siquo on January 20, 2011, 08:17:54 am
Post by: iceball3 on January 20, 2011, 10:15:45 am
Code: [Select]
Sending Transmission...(TME, can you let me know if this succeeds or fails?)
Post by: Zako on January 20, 2011, 12:14:46 pm
hubris, you may be missing the message i think im getting. But i just
Well angel, you seem to be pretty lively for a corpse. You might as well tell us your reasons, just for curiosity's sake. What can we do anyway, we are just voices, its not like we can do anything.
Finally, Sofia. You are not to blame for this. We should have suspected the angel who posed as your friend more. In a world where most of the inhabitants are puppets, we should have realised you may have been manipulated just like one as well, but only without the strings. It is our fault that this has happened, we were fooled just like you into the angels scheme, whatever that may be. But you must realise this, she doesnt control you unless you let her. You should think about this for a bit and realise what potential there is when you act truely unpredictable, or in other words, making your own decisions.
And shame on you for those who want to abandon her! Do you want her to end up like poor John? Discarded like a piece of trash? Shameful, to say the least. Siquo, you supported the cutting of the strings, your hands are covered in blood, just like ours. Plus, dont we remember the last angel? "Stop, not everything is as it seems."? We should have listened to him...
Post by: Armok on January 20, 2011, 12:40:34 pm
Post by: Darvi on January 20, 2011, 12:42:38 pm
Yeah, no-one ever saw that coming, really...I did, but thought it was too obvious to post it. Huh.
also, 1K post!
Post by: Flagrarus on January 20, 2011, 12:56:07 pm
...More importantly, how did you know we know?
Post by: Scood on January 20, 2011, 02:15:18 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 20, 2011, 04:54:58 pm
Sophia is my future. That much has always been true. As for the reasons for possession, you will see soon enough...
Goodbye, little Heartbreaker..."
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1074/fall13.jpg)
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7856/fall14.jpg)
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Conversation initiated!
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"Leave me alone, demon... I'm done fighting this stupid war."
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9928/darkgod.png):"And how do you feel about that, Sophia? Are you okay?"
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"I feel... sad...worthless... just like they always said I was."
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9928/darkgod.png):"Are you all alone in this world? Does no one love you?"
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"Yes."
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9928/darkgod.png):"And you feel sad..."
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"I feel dead inside!"
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9928/darkgod.png):"You're pathetic."
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"..."
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"I'm sorry? What did you say?"
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9928/darkgod.png):"I said you were pathetic. How does that make you feel, girl? You feel SAD? You gonna CRY at me?"
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"... Shut up."
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9928/darkgod.png):"Every thing that's happened is all your fault, Sophia. How does that make you FEEL?!"
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"I said shut up!!"
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9928/darkgod.png):"Are you sad that no one has talked to you in over a year? Are you sad that your teachers fail you because you have different opinions? Are you sad that your parents don't give a shit about your well being?"
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"SHUT THE FUCK UP!"
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9928/darkgod.png):"ARE YOU SAD THAT YOUR YOUNGER SELF TRICKED YOU INTO HURTING THE ONLY ONE THAT DIDN'T BLAME YOU FOR JOHN'S DEATH?! IS IT ALL YOUR FAULT?"
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"NO!"
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9928/darkgod.png):"How do you FEEEL, Lady Prey? How do you really feel?!"
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1245/fall15.jpg)
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1236/fall16.jpg)
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"My... future..."
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2605/ladyprey.png):"Your eyes, for as long as you have been innocent, haven't seen color in over a year. You have spilt the blood of your enemies. And now you have caused the death of a friend.
I think its time to teach our younger self some respect for her elders."
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2605/ladyprey.png):"How do you feel, Sophia?"
Post by: iceball3 on January 20, 2011, 05:02:11 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 20, 2011, 05:11:08 pm
Post by: Darvi on January 20, 2011, 05:15:12 pm
Post by: filiusenox on January 20, 2011, 05:26:02 pm
I think this halloween im going to dress up as Early Scavanger.
Is that okay with you Engineer?
Post by: dragnar on January 20, 2011, 05:29:50 pm
First things first: What did John do in the future this person knows? Did he actually destroy gleejoy? Did the angels succeed?
Post by: NUKE9.13 on January 20, 2011, 05:31:06 pm
Man, I told you; you were all like, aww, dudes, gotta subvert this shit, make friends with the girl.
I was all like, no, dammit, you have to subvert the subversion, you were all like noooo.
Anyway.
Screw this girl. If anything has taught me anything, stable timeloops are bad news. We get into that and we end up with dead sophias spilling their cherry-red blood all over the timeline.
If we hurt the past, will we not create the present which is hurt by the past?
A better option would be to incapacitate/heal a past-past sophia, thus preventing past-sophia from coming into existence; problem solved, yes?
Post by: iceball3 on January 20, 2011, 05:39:21 pm
If we prevented past sophia from coming to existence, then there would be no such thing to stop and then we couldn't stop it, causing it to occur. Right?
Screw this girl. If anything has taught me anything, stable timeloops are bad news. We get into that and we end up with dead sophias spilling their cherry-red blood all over the timeline.
If we hurt the past, will we not create the present which is hurt by the past?
A better option would be to incapacitate/heal a past-past sophia, thus preventing past-sophia from coming into existence; problem solved, yes?
Post by: Scood on January 20, 2011, 05:42:56 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 20, 2011, 06:07:48 pm
I love this. I really do...
I think this halloween im going to dress up as Early Scavanger.
Is that okay with you Engineer?
Only if you take pictures :P
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Meanwhile, outside of Sophia's mind...
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6190/psychd.png):"So this is it then? Game over?"
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9316/psychologist.png):"As soon as either the Scavenger King or GleeJoy's people reach us, yes. We were in charge of keeping him under control, remember?"
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6190/psychd.png):"Screw that! I want to survive!"
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9316/psychologist.png):"We all do. If I were you, I'd get away from Tik and Tock as fast as you can. It'll buy us some time at least..."
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png)"I feel..."
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9316/psychologist.png):"Wait...did you hear that?"
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3479/her.png):"I feel..."
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6537/advisore.png):"No! I'm blocked! But what could possibly possess her before me?!"
(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7320/41092718.png):"It is inevitable."
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9356/fall17.jpg)
Sophia has possessed herself!
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6190/psychd.png):"Sir... what do we do now?"
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9316/psychologist.png):"There's only one thing left to do, old friend."
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7490/fall18.jpg)
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 20, 2011, 06:14:03 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 20, 2011, 06:18:39 pm
Fight scenes aren't the only things that need music... ;D
Post by: blackmagechill on January 20, 2011, 06:49:33 pm
Post by: Heliman on January 20, 2011, 06:52:10 pm
I guess the angel being Past Sophia would explain why the angel is a corpse. Sophia is Sophia at the present, the past died when she became what she is, meaning that Past Sophia was always a corpse, but added to as Sophia moved through time. She is nostalgia, in that sense.
Future sophia, on the other hand, seems to be more of a mystery. Assuming that these are beings created by her mind, I'd wager that it is everything that sophia wishes she could be, someone who both knows exactly who she is and shuns what she was in the past, I.E. Past Sophia.
That said, It would be best to trust neither of them. Nostalgic Past Sophia wants Sophia to be how she used to be, Future Sophia wants her to change into herself, both past and future want each other dead and want sophia to not be Sophia. They seem like a kind of vulture, only the desert is the size of a girl and there's only one corpse to feast on.
C
Future sophia, on the other hand, seems to be more of a mystery. Assuming that these are beings created by her mind, I'd wager that it is everything that sophia wishes she could be, someone who both knows exactly who she is and shuns what she was in the past, I.E. Past Sophia.
That said, It would be best to trust neither of them. Nostalgic Past Sophia wants Sophia to be how she used to be, Future Sophia wants her to change into herself, both past and future want each other dead and want Sophia to not be Sophia. They seem like
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 20, 2011, 07:03:10 pm
Heliman: I do not think you quite understand. It is already done. The past self has been ejected from Sophia's mind, and the future self has already left quietly on its own, perhaps to explain a certain theory to a certain someone in another part of time and space...
Sophia has possessed herself. The future self saved her from her past. The birds, on the run from both Scavenger and GleeJoy, have now made their decision.
The time for intrigue and trust issues is at an end. We have gone past the nexus point unscathed.
All that awaits is a command. A simple word.
I know you are all dying to say it ;)
Post by: iceball3 on January 20, 2011, 07:04:28 pm
Post by: Heliman on January 20, 2011, 07:09:58 pm
It is already done. The past self has been ejected from Sophia's mind, and the future self has already left quietly on its own, perhaps to explain a certain theory to a certain someone in another part of time and space...Too true, unfortunately.
The time for intrigue and trust issues is at an end. We have gone past the nexus point unscathed.Too true,
Dance?Yes my good man, it is time. I mean, good
Sophia, it is time to...
Post by: Armok on January 20, 2011, 07:12:38 pm
For now, be more careful and observant, ok? Mistakes were made, but recovery might still be possible...
Those strings, they connect to the mind, not the body, and the mind is who one is... Find them and save him it might not be to late!
Post by: Scood on January 20, 2011, 07:22:56 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 20, 2011, 07:24:36 pm
The Robot.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 20, 2011, 07:25:50 pm
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on January 20, 2011, 07:54:40 pm
this
Post by: filiusenox on January 20, 2011, 08:05:40 pm
I love this. I really do...
I think this halloween im going to dress up as Early Scavanger.
Is that okay with you Engineer?
Only if you take pictures :P
Will do.
aND dANCE wHILE wAITING for the scavanger.
Post by: mcclay on January 20, 2011, 09:33:32 pm
All fucking right, took as long enough!
Post by: Tradanbattlan on January 20, 2011, 09:46:58 pm
Post by: dragnar on January 20, 2011, 10:29:42 pm
Anyway: No. Do not simply dance. Lead it. You are the puppetmaster, now it's time to make the puppets dance for you. John and Gleejoy are coming. And you must be ready to stand up to the scavenger as an equal, whatever he may want.
Edit: Did no one else look at the image names? Quite ominous... Sophia is still not fighting for herself, and is still being manipulated. Her calling her future a demon might be more true than she knows.
Post by: Siquo on January 21, 2011, 06:04:49 am
Not what It Wants You To Be. Time to get Bad Ass.
Tock.
Post by: Armok on January 21, 2011, 06:16:42 am
Post by: NUKE9.13 on January 21, 2011, 06:49:19 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 21, 2011, 10:21:59 am
Of course the plans of the past failed, they lacked the insight time has granted. How could sophia's own past possibly hope to be better than what it becomes?The image names matter not. Dark is not evil, light is not good, grey may not always be neutral. We must not judge by appearances and names; we must judge by hearts. (Man, I sound like martin luther king or someone.)
Anyway: No. Do not simply dance. Lead it. You are the puppetmaster, now it's time to make the puppets dance for you. John and Gleejoy are coming. And you must be ready to stand up to the scavenger as an equal, whatever he may want.
Edit: Did no one else look at the image names? Quite ominous... Sophia is still not fighting for herself, and is still being manipulated. Her calling her future a demon might be more true than she knows.
Post by: dragnar on January 21, 2011, 02:55:44 pm
Of course good and evil are subjective terms, and not so easily defined. But the names of the past few pics were "fall" 1-18. Whatever happens from here, we are still missing something. Because this does not look like any sort of fall.Edit: Did no one else look at the image names? Quite ominous... Sophia is still not fighting for herself, and is still being manipulated. Her calling her future a demon might be more true than she knows.The image names matter not. Dark is not evil, light is not good, grey may not always be neutral. We must not judge by appearances and names; we must judge by hearts. (Man, I sound like martin luther king or someone.)
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 21, 2011, 02:58:43 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on January 21, 2011, 04:59:02 pm
And you people resort.
To these tired ways of thinking.
Well.
Tired ways of thinking.
Can sometimes.
Be right.
Dance! Dance! Dance
Just be sure.
To aim for.
A Cool Killing Intent.
Post by: Scood on January 21, 2011, 07:48:35 pm
> GRAB THE STRINGS OF YOUR FUTURE! Make her dance.
you cant do that cause sophias future is john's obbsesions incarnate. its not tied to strings. the fact that Sophias future stated previously that it was johns obbsesions incarnate means one or both of those statements are false. oh i just remembered that you can sing too preferably about cake.
Post by: Armok on January 22, 2011, 06:28:30 am
Post by: mcclay on January 24, 2011, 12:29:50 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on January 24, 2011, 01:39:40 pm
Looking back at.
What we missed.
It seems that.
This whole situation.
Could have been resolved.
By simply.
Cutting the seventh string!
Damn it.
Don't interrupt me.
Post by: Siquo on January 24, 2011, 05:39:06 pm
Post by: mcclay on January 25, 2011, 07:00:01 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 25, 2011, 10:54:06 pm
It's going pretty well :) I think I may dedicate DNTTRS to those regrets that made it all possible.
As for the "seventh string" hypothesis, let me clear this up right now, before you guys start theorizing about the loyalties of all my supporting characters :P
1. First off, strings do not work that way. I cannot tell you how they work exactly, since that knowledge is not yet supposed to be available to you guys, but, as an analogy, you wouldn't amputate a plague boil to get rid of a disease.
2. With that enjoyable image in mind, , even if destroying the string would have allowed Sophia to manipulate the cultist leader, let me please remind you that the cultist leader didn't exist in the first place. He was an illusion. Everything he threatened to do was an illusion, supposedly crafted by past Sophia, who IS past Sophia, not some imposter. It's not even clear if the Angel cult itself was an illusion or not. All we know is that the Advisor (past Sophia) tricked present Sophia into killing her only "friend" (more like a non-enemy) in this stupid grey world by disguising him as a threat.
3. If it were that simple to just cut the seventh string, then none of this would have been possible, and the story would have fallen flat. Yes, I am using story progression as an argument :/
In the future, I'll try to make the bad guy's monologue more... monologuey. Its a fine line between leaving your readers in the dark, and having your bad guy be a mustache-twirling exposition machine.
Post by: FuzzyZergling on January 29, 2011, 03:58:17 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The screen's not moving.
It's just.
Loading.
You have to wait.
Post by: Heliman on January 29, 2011, 07:01:21 pm
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Post by: Karnewarrior on January 29, 2011, 10:58:57 pm
Hey guys, some "technical" issues here. It's all drawn, but... well, I'm kinda busy destroying the final vestiges of a leech that's been draining my soul for half my life.Cats suck, don't they?
Post by: The Mad Engineer on January 31, 2011, 12:41:23 am
DANCE SOPHIA DANCE OR YOU'LL NEVER HAVE A CHANCE!
YEEEEEESSSSSSSS DDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All fucking right, took as long enough!
DANCE!
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6787/fall19.jpg)
The end of an era, the beginning of a failed age!
(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/7594/fall20.jpg)
No more darkness...
No more light.
Nothing left to see. For...
No more light.
Nothing left to see. For...
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9692/rise1.jpg)
"The world is burning,
and it is burning to the ground!
and it is burning to the ground!
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2505/psychr.png):"She... she dances almost as well as HE does!"
Peace is finally found...
(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6467/rise2c.jpg)
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8043/rise3.jpg)
Fire is the only sound!
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4231/rise4.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9316/psychologist.png):"It would seem that GleeJoy's men have come to collect..."
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/879/rise5.jpg)
The Scavenger Birds have betrayed GleeJoy!
(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/240/rise6.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9316/psychologist.png):"It would also seem that they underestimated the birds' will to survive! WE FIGHT FOR THE HEARTBREAKER, WOULD-BE QUEEN OF PREY!"
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4746/rise7.jpg)
GRANDMASTER PUPPETEER TECHNIQUE: FRIENDLY FIRE!
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9774/rise8.jpg)
Ashes, ashes, all the ash turns into dust!
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9316/psychologist.png):"Manipulation's a bitch."
(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3980/rise9.jpg)
Dust made out of glass and rust!
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3798/rise10.jpg)
...
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2505/psychr.png):'The Greylands have been purified..."
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6573/rise11.jpg)
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7127/winterqr.jpg)
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1533/advisoru.png):"Game's over, little world-burner."
What will Sophia do?
(http://Stop reading the image tags, you silly people :P)
Post by: FuzzyZergling on January 31, 2011, 01:46:26 am
Just happened?
We beat them.
By dancing.
Is everyone dead?
That would be sad :'[
The Deaths Of The Worthless Are But Mere Stepping Stones For Our Greatness.
But It Seems We Have Miscalculated...
Yes
:?
The Angel is in control now.
This could be.
Very bad.
Or Very Good
Post by: Heliman on January 31, 2011, 02:23:16 am
Does the Past stand before you, dressed for battle?
With fangs attached to strings?
Fangs that latch, that stick in you?
The past makes the strings, builds the bridges, that you cut, you burn.
It looks like the past is connecting more strings, and locking them in with fangs.
For the love of god Sophie, don't be touched by the fangs!!
Perhaps Sophie can cut the fang's strings too?
Perhaps
Post by: FuzzyZergling on January 31, 2011, 02:36:02 am
But Yet You Must Not Kill It
...No. You have let the Angel's Reign Free For Too Long.
This One Must Be Disposed Of! Do You Understand The Danger You Are In?
Do not Destroy It
It Is Your Past By Killing It You Kill Yourself
You
With Your Limited Sight
Cannot Understand
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Post by: Zako on January 31, 2011, 04:06:30 am
Post by: Humaan on January 31, 2011, 07:30:59 am
Where we must defeat the...
Spectre, of Sophia's past...
Which has followed as as an angel...
And has helped us so...
In beginning a rampage...
To fight it is futile...
SO THAT LEAVES....
I dunno, a debate?
Post by: Scood on January 31, 2011, 11:57:03 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 31, 2011, 12:31:52 pm
Post by: Armok on January 31, 2011, 01:37:26 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on January 31, 2011, 01:57:25 pm
Woah! Take it easy now! Amazing dance, and great fighting, but you are playing a dangerous game. To much smiling and darkness to be a good sign you know? Yes, you need to fight for good, but it looks like you're almost losing sight of the thing you're fighting FOR. Remember, the only thing that justifies all this is GOODNESS, and you must never forget to return there, and you must not ENJOY the fighting, for that way lies corruption. Be careful, be balanced, be merciful.Mercy?
Mercy is for the weak.
We have no need.
For those things.
No :[
This guy is.
Right!
Smiling and darkness.
Don't go together! >:[
Post by: maxicaxi on January 31, 2011, 03:22:19 pm
Post by: Myroc on January 31, 2011, 04:33:46 pm
Smiling and darkness.On the contrary. I find the two to be a most satisfying pair.
Don't go together! >:[
That said, however, I do believe that exquisite violence is not going to benefit
Yes, that would be a suitable alternative. Banish the sinful past, so you may create a better future.
Post by: Karnewarrior on January 31, 2011, 06:26:51 pm
Post by: Argonnek on January 31, 2011, 08:00:07 pm
Post by: Zako on January 31, 2011, 08:26:11 pm
Post by: Heliman on January 31, 2011, 08:42:07 pm
Oh i didnt say anything about trusting the creature. Take her alive, but not nesscessarily unharmed. Just make sure to watch out for those fangs of hers.
Alive? You can actually expect Sophia to take her Past alive? Her past is already dead! There's nothing to not harm!
You
Post by: dwarfguy2 on January 31, 2011, 09:33:09 pm
Post by: Heliman on January 31, 2011, 11:11:52 pm
Perhaps you have a problem with your C̳̭̜͖̲̩͈̭͕̱͉͎̺̯̲̘ͪ̎̊ͥͯ͂̿͛ͥͥ̈́̈́͐͌̀̈́͗͛i̺̟̪̾ͯ̽n̺̮̩͖̹̹͇̆̓͐ͫ̓ͩͪͬ͊g͕͇̜̼͌?
Post by: NUKE9.13 on February 01, 2011, 05:21:57 pm
HEARTBREAKER (http://Stop reading the image tags, you silly people :P)YESSSSS
What will Sophia do?>Boss battle?
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 01, 2011, 05:56:32 pm
>Boss game of Tetris.HEARTBREAKER (http://Stop reading the image tags, you silly people :P)YESSSSSWhat will Sophia do?>Boss battle?
Post by: Scood on February 01, 2011, 11:08:41 pm
Post by: Armok on February 02, 2011, 07:01:16 pm
(not me as I am avoiding the site)
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 08, 2011, 12:13:31 am
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1501/darkher.png):"Heh, you don't scare me anymore, Advisor. I see the truth now: This place isn't real!"
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2851/advisorf.png):"And what is real, you stupid girl?! Is simple interaction with actors not enough to provide a basis for morality?!"
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1501/darkher.png):"Don't talk to me about morality, you hypocrite! This place is a prison! All your precious interactions were engineered to bring about my downfall! You yourself said that the puppets can be recreated!"
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2851/advisorf.png):"..."
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1501/darkher.png):"And now I will defeat you."
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2851/advisorf.png):"I'm afraid, dear Sophia, that there's one little thing you haven't quite figured out yet."
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6802/end1hj.jpg)
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2851/advisorf.png):"Who do you think controls the puppets?! I was the one in charge of your Greylands, from the very beginning! The fools in Heaven allowed me to oversee your reality! This may be a prison, but I am the warden!
In this place, I am your GOD!
...
You know, I had hoped it wouldn't come to this, my future. I really hoped that you would just have broken down, become possessed, and kill yourself.
Lord knows we have enough blood on our hands already. But it is too late now for that."
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2851/advisorf.png):"Now it is time for us to die, Sophia."
(http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2296/end2p.jpg)
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3479/her.png):<"Help! I need help!">
What will Sophia do?!
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Post by: Argonnek on February 08, 2011, 12:30:16 am
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 08, 2011, 12:32:37 am
What keeps gods alive? Faith. What kills gods? Other gods, or a lack of faith. She is not a god, Sophia, and never was. REINSTATE YOURSELF AS MASTER OF YOUR OWN DESTINY!
Sophia is at a disadvantage, and has no power at this point in time. And Past Sophia might as well be a god of the nightmare reality Sophia finds herself in. She's the admin of the world.
Post by: dragnar on February 08, 2011, 12:57:53 am
So for now? Run. Run like you have never run before Sophia. This place must have a boundary somewhere, and the closer you come to it the closer you are to aid.
Post by: FuzzyZergling on February 08, 2011, 01:04:01 am
Then to defeat her.
You must simply.
Remember.
No Do Not Attempt Anything
Simply Give In
There Are Forces Here That You Cannot Understand
Oh lay off.
Your stupid Angel fetish.
Is getting on my nerves.
You like to think.
That you know more.
But you know nothing that we do not know.
What happened to the happy people :?
Are they dead :[
And you.
You and your Joyfuls.
With their stupid happy idiotic obliviousness.
Get with the program.
As If You Are Any Different.
All You Want Is To Spread Your "Industry".
Industry is the result of civilization.
And also the cause.
It is everything.
Post by: Siquo on February 08, 2011, 03:20:08 am
A: Tear up Angel.
B: Tear up (the current) reality
C: Tear out your own heart
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 08, 2011, 03:43:54 am
Post by: Siquo on February 08, 2011, 03:53:36 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 08, 2011, 02:55:18 pm
Post by: maxicaxi on February 08, 2011, 03:00:42 pm
>Check surroundings
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 08, 2011, 03:03:53 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 08, 2011, 03:08:52 pm
Check... inventory!
Yes.
Post by: NUKE9.13 on February 08, 2011, 04:02:09 pm
The hooks; you still have them. Obviously. You never stopped being the warden, just forgot about it. Or something.Check... inventory!Yes.
Maybe.
Post by: Armok on February 08, 2011, 04:37:34 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on February 08, 2011, 04:55:18 pm
Pull a tooth!
Obtain help!
(But the apple is gone!)
Shut up, Logic. We have no use for you here.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 08, 2011, 07:03:08 pm
An item gained earlier?
Post by: mcclay on February 08, 2011, 07:05:27 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on February 08, 2011, 07:44:12 pm
Plug the controller into the second port!
...The what?
For the last time.
Not.
A.
Video game.
Idiot.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 08, 2011, 08:18:28 pm
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3479/her.png):<"My cell phone's almost dead... Not that it will matter soon!">
Post by: Ochita on February 08, 2011, 08:38:30 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on February 08, 2011, 09:19:44 pm
Hint :]
Well, that is rather helpful.
Almost...
Suspiciously so.
Post by: Zako on February 08, 2011, 09:47:02 pm
Call that number, sofia, dial it right now and tell them whats happening right now.
Post by: filiusenox on February 08, 2011, 09:54:59 pm
If not, shank her in the face with a pointy object and give her a large cut.
Angels aren't supposed to bleed.
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 08, 2011, 11:37:13 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Ring Ring*
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9622/parent.png):"Thank you for calling GleeJoy Industries! This call may be monitored for quality purposes. How can we make your day happier?
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/750/herqq.png):"TECH SUPPORT! TECH SUPPORT!"
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9622/parent.png):"Do you wish to speak to a friendly representative?"
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/750/herqq.png):"I'm about to DIE!"
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9622/parent.png):"Death is a natural part of your life cycle. Stay calm and think happy thoughts :D You will be refunded after your departure if existence has not been up to our high standards* preexisting conditions may apply"
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/750/herqq.png):"AN ANGEL IS TRYING TO KILL ME!"
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9622/parent.png):"..."
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9622/parent.png):"Please hold..." *click!*
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/750/herqq.png):<"Damn, batteries are dead! I'm fucked!">
meanwhile...
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5820/end3z.jpg)
soon..
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2310/end4.jpg)
back on the ground...
(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4426/end5.jpg)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3435/end6.jpg)
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8122/advisorz.png):"No...nonononononoNO! I was so close...I...I've failed everyone.
Was it even possible in the first place?"
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/750/herqq.png):"What are you talking about? Why have you been trying to kill me?!"
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8122/advisorz.png):"All I wanted to do was end recursion, stop the pain, the endless repetition!"
If I didn't survive the Greylands, this whole mess would have collapsed in on itself! We wouldn't have had to relieve the betrayal again! We could have had peace...
I...I suppose that we shall forever remain the Lady Prey."
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5346/end7y.jpg)
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4184/sadadvisor.png):" Ah!
Void, nothing left!
And no where else to go.
I have seen the world you have constructed,
and it pains me to my core.
I cannot understand it - I will not.
There is no reason or logic,
nothing concrete, exact, or meaningful to me.
You live amongst the vultures, draped in gaudy colours,
I am repulsed by the facade you so excel in.
You are too fascinated, and too proficient at the act,
that it makes me fear for your sincerety.
Oh! How can I love that which is Sophia,
when her very soul is alien to me?
It is not that I despise it, or loathe
the strange interested that have captivated you.
I am unable to comprehend, and so I reject!
I distrust this place which you have
so forged out of madness.
The night descends in what was once a place for me.
Ridiculous motifs and symbols wrack an overtaxed mind,
strangled by stagnation and introspection.
I ask the why until the why is being asked
for the reasons why, and it is all based
on void, nothing!
The denizens of my star-strewn ruins clutch
at telescopes, and other machines of thought, watching
you, scrutinizing your mind. They do not understand,
and I do not understand."
(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2015/end8.jpg)
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/503/end9y.jpg)
Purge... Purge... Purge...
We're sorry! Your world has performed (9999) illegal operations and will be shut down {Limited to, but not excluding: Administrator permaban [error code 0666]; World Burning [Error code 0179]; Dancing [Error: Error code not found [Error code 001]]}
We apologize for the inconvenience. Have a nice day!
(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3540/end10.jpg)
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(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6706/awakening1.jpg)
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1592/awakening2.jpg)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9625/awakening3.jpg)
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5124/newsophia.png):
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2870/awakev.jpg)
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Post by: FuzzyZergling on February 09, 2011, 12:06:50 am
No.
It is obviously Sophia.
Who is now.
An Angel?
That means that Melancholic won.
I think.
No
I Have Gained Little
Though It Pains Me To Admit
Yay! :]
The Happy People saved us! :]:]:]
Oh shut up.
Nobody cares.
Post by: Heliman on February 09, 2011, 12:37:22 am
Failing that, it could be a new person,
but the shirt tells otherwise.
Can you hear us now, Little one?
T͔̺͓ͥͫ͠h̡ͯ̍̇ͧe̗̖̖̟͇̳ͭ̉ͩ̓̈́̇̅͘ͅ ̰̭̳̮̫̟̮̏ͫ̒̓̄̇s̖̯̳͇̐̔ͨͩ̓ͫ̑́ C a̼̗͉͉̹̥͓ͪ̏̒̌͢r̵͚͕̹̹ͩͣ̃.̙̣ͧ̔̐̉̉̈́ͪ̊́ ̘̫͖̲̊́̅̊I͚͎͕̥͔͙̤̗͂̍̾ͩtͯͯͫ̄̑̎̚҉̶͓̝͎ͅ ̮̖̰̭̿͌͋͒̿̏́ị̡̡̡͙̳̬̩͗̿͒ͫ̇͛̈̾̃s̢̛͔̙̞̬͔̺̈ͯͣ̊͆̄̒ ̲͓̙͚̩̟̫ͬ̃ͩ͝o̝̱̲͓̯̻͙͂̂͆̿̕͟͝n̻̟̹͉̩̙̝͔ͣ͂̚̚ ̸̡̳̣̳̟̔̏͋̌́tͮ͗̏̈́ͯ̍̒ͮ̕͜͏͚̤ͅḫ͕͓̫ͯ̑ē̢͖̺̯͎̖̘̟̇̇͛̃̌͘ ͎̙̰̊͜ẅ̵̹̺̮̜͎̱́̏̊̈́͊̋ͅr̘̳͓̬̺̯̩̆̐͆͌̋ͣ̔͢oͦ̔ͨ̏ͣ҉͏͇͓̺̬͈͉n̛̮̗̫͒̽͋̎ͪ̈̎̚͞g̷̻̼̏ͨͪ̓̾͛ͩ̈́̋ ̸̪̍̓͞s͕̯͙͔̹̭͈̺̎͌ͪ͒ͤį͕̣͕͉̓ḑ̀͑̈̏̃̀҉̗͓̜e̷̛͕̪̪͖̱ͧ̌̐̈̄̆.͒ͤͤ̇̀͢҉͓̻ ̼̰͉̳͇͇̥ͪ̐̓̆̾̂̀͡P̻͓̝̀̍̄ͯ̍͜é̗ͨ̏r͕̰̗̂̿͑͛͒ͫͯ̓̀̕͡h̩͍̄͢a̳̮̠̰̣̪̻ͤͯ̂ͬ̉ͧͣͤ͝p̮͎͈̙͍̼̀ͤͨ͑͌̒͆s̶̲͚͖̓̉̋̐ͮ̔̉͂̓͟ͅ ͖͇͓̣͙͍͉̐͗̈͋͛͋ͣ͝ĩ̲͖̹̘̱̣͚̩̊ͮͤͣ̇̌͒t̢̰̮̻̬͋̽̃͛̚͟ ͙͕̥̹̪̮͕̗͒̆̈͂̕ǐ̛̩̪͈̯͓̭ͭ̎͌ͭ̚͡șͨ͠ ̙̮͉͇͗ͤ̈́a̤̤̝̼ͭ͜͠͝ ͈͓̤̝̫̰̠̱̿̈́͊ͧ͌͐ͬ̀͑m̴̸̤͔̫̝͕̓̑̐̇̀̉̐i̾̍͋̊͊̓ͮ̑̊͏̛̹̰̹̜̦̖̺̗r̟̗̝̬̂̈́ͨ͠r̲͚̩͍̗͉̺͈͖ͨ̐͌̅͛̊o̒̈́ͫ͌͏̦̮̱̰ŗ̳͓̳̀ͪ͑͞ ?
Post by: Zako on February 09, 2011, 12:53:15 am
SUCCESS!!! HELLS YEAH!!
Om nom nom nom... :D
Well then, now thats out of the way, lets take a look around.
Check status.
Post by: dragnar on February 09, 2011, 01:22:47 am
Turn around, see what lies away from the floating citadel.
Post by: Scood on February 09, 2011, 01:27:21 am
also yes look in the oposite direction of the floating city.
Post by: maxicaxi on February 09, 2011, 05:03:51 am
First the Clockmaker: A boy tricked from his previous reality by one known only as the rainbow snail and then ascends to his throne as the Scavenger King
Second the Heartbreaker: Someone who seemed to be in a reality like ours, but was in fact in some kind of simulation. ascends to her throne as the Queen of Prey
Third the Allseer?
Post by: Karnewarrior on February 09, 2011, 04:55:49 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 09, 2011, 05:12:43 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on February 09, 2011, 05:23:04 pm
OH MY GOD.OH MY GOD!
Post by: Scood on February 09, 2011, 05:46:07 pm
OH MY GOD!OH MY GOD.OH MY GOD!
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 09, 2011, 06:02:21 pm
And just to do it ahead of the other guy,
Post by: Armok on February 09, 2011, 06:58:13 pm
She should have let her past self kill her, damn, this is exactly the kind of thing I warned her about!
Post by: dragnar on February 09, 2011, 07:16:50 pm
Post by: Argonnek on February 09, 2011, 07:32:03 pm
Post by: Armok on February 09, 2011, 08:55:05 pm
Post by: dragnar on February 09, 2011, 09:06:39 pm
Post by: Heliman on February 09, 2011, 10:07:41 pm
OH MY COD?OH MY C͡͝͠Ơ̧͡͏D͢͡ AS WELL.
And just to do it ahead of the other guy,OH MYCOD?
...
Wait why are we talking about cods and gods now? I can't see where this stems from.
And while we're on the topic, why did you copy your own words with crossed out letters and a big C? You're conceited.
A͏̷ņ̛́͢͢d҉̵ ̷̵̛́w̶̢h̡͘͟i̷̡͞҉̕l͏e̷̕͡҉ ̴̢͢͡w͝͝e͜͠͏̶'̶̕͡r̷̢͘e̷̶̴̴̡ ̡̢o̡̡n̕͠ ̨͢t̛h̡͟e͜͟ ͏́t̷̨҉o͜ṕ̕̕͢i̢̛҉͞c̷̡,̢̨͢ ̵̛́̕͞w̶ḩ̡y̸̧͘͝ ̴́͢͝d̶̵̛i̕͜͡͡d̷ ̶̧y͢͢o͡҉ù̸̢͞͝ ͟͢͟c̡͞͏͢͜ơ̷p̴̧̛ỳ̵͢ ̶̴̢͢͟y̧̧̕͜o̶̕͜͡ų̷́r̶͝͏̸ ̨͜o̧͠w͏̵̕n̶̢͢͠ ̕͞w̶͝ǫ̵̢͢r̶͜d̢̕s̀́͢ ̀͢҉͢w͏̢͏̡͝i̶t̸͏̸͠h̶̴̢́ ̧͢͏̵͠c͏r҉̧̡́͘ó̡͜͞s̨҉̛͠s̵̸̷ȩ̡̧͞͠d̷̨͢ ҉̡̧͜҉o͝҉͏̶̸u̶̡͢t̴͏͟ ̸̵́l̴̡̢͟ę̸̧́t̛͜͡͞t̶͝ȩr̵̢͘̕͜s̀͠ ̶̀͞a̧͟n҉̴̕͟ḑ͜͡ ̴̷a̸̴̧̧̛ ̢̀̕͡b̷̵̨̢i҉̷͏̷̢g̕҉̴̢ C? Y̢̨̠͕̰͕ͪͫ͆̏ͬ̒̇̃ͥ̏́͌́͠o̶̶̡͙͇̼̟͖͒̇͛̇ͩ̂͌͒̓͑̔̂̽̄̆ͧ̈́̑u̶̎̀̋ͮ҉͇̯̺͓̣̘̫͍̪͍̟̯̥̳̲̲͔̟͟'̶̞̦̬̱̟̪͔̋̽͗̔ͬͥ̓ͮ̈́̎͟r͖͍͚̹͈͉̠̼̱̰̳͚̣̩̱̓͂ͦ̏ͬ́͡ȩ̴̧̢̹̥̝͕̱̹̜͈̞̗͈̖̜̻̙̤̯ͤ̿ͫ̔̆ͭͥͅ ̾̾͒͌͒ͪ̈́̆͑̐̿̀̓ͦͪ̆ͯ̚҉̵̡͕͕̩͕̖̳͙̩̹̀͠ç̡̫̺̯̜̥͈̮͔̻͓̳̠̻̺̼͕͚̬ͪ̿̃ͭ̇̐̈ͧͯ̚͢͞o̸ͩ͆̈́́̇ͩ̑̑̆̂̇̽ͥ̓ͬ̿͏̨̜͈̼̼̭̖̞̜̘̞͉̥̮͉̲͉͉̝n̹̺̖̦̻̩̗̠̋ͩ̇͂͊͂̇͐̔ͦ̐̌ͫ̑̀c̷̛͖̣̺̺̩͓͐͋͊́͗̅̅ͧ̌ͧ͞ę̷̞̻͖̫̣͗͐̈̽̌ͬ̾̍ͦͪͬͩ́͂̑͜͜͢i̢̺̭̱͕͚̝͊̎͐̄͆̈̍ͥ͗̅̔ͩ̀͠t̓ͯ̒ͮͦ̽͞͝͏̨͉͙̘̺͜e̸̵͉̫͕̭̳̦͚͕̺̞̻̗̟ͮ̾̅ͥ̑ͯ͘͘͢d̓̐ͬ͛҉̷̢̢̡̹͉̮͍̭̠̭.̡̛̜͉̜͕̗̰̣̬̱̜̪̽̋ͬͫ͑́̈́̊̅̅ͩͪͦ͘ͅ
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 10, 2011, 08:03:17 am
Post by: Scood on February 10, 2011, 03:13:44 pm
Post by: Heliman on February 19, 2011, 12:47:50 am
Post by: Scood on February 19, 2011, 01:51:13 am
Post by: Siquo on February 19, 2011, 02:21:47 pm
((On an unrelated note, I think the best theme song for this story is this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qRdL37wp7g) Just... Don't look at the name.))((Hm. Bit too hardcorenoisy for me, try this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4oCItZQwzI&feature=related).))
Post by: Scood on February 19, 2011, 07:07:54 pm
Post by: Scood on February 19, 2011, 09:27:03 pm
add to this list whenever you like.
what is the rainbow snail?
Post by: FuzzyZergling on February 19, 2011, 09:55:54 pm
Not a cat :?
Why does Apple.
Want teeth?
Why Do The Birds Wear The Handless Clocks?
What Is Future Sophias Purpose
Post by: filiusenox on February 19, 2011, 11:54:14 pm
All though i might be completly off.
Post by: Heliman on February 20, 2011, 12:05:14 am
Why is John trying to be a Cat? (Cat's have multiple lives, he's trying to live once more)
How can dancing hold so much power?
Has Sophia escaped or is she merely trapped a second time?
How did evil john hurt so many people?
Post by: Scood on February 20, 2011, 08:26:18 pm
Post by: Heliman on February 21, 2011, 02:40:11 am
Oh my god. We are the R̡͆̌̍̉̑̎͋̇ͧ͒̀ͬ̓ͬ̒ͯ̚͏̰̜͈͇̣͚͇͚̥̳̹ͅą͍͎̥͍̭́ͧ͛͌ͮ̀ͦͪ̄ͬ̉̓̀͡͝ĭ̷̡̭̘͍̦̣̥͓͔͚̦̘͈̱̬̭̫͉͎̂̓͌̓̆̑͑ͫ͒ͦͦ͒̉͠ͅņ̸̢̘̠̺͔̺͚̥͍̤̘̘̮̼͓ͮͩ͆̌̏ͣͪ̇͗̌̍̉̔́͒͌ͅb̶̧̩͎͍͖̣̬̗͕̹̻̠̪͎ͩ̓͗ͦ̄̏̏̇̉̒̌̋̾ͤ͗̋͢ǫ̱͓̰͇͍̙̳̙̬̌̿̑̐͒̎̊͑̊ͬ́͋w̑ͭ͋ͯ̔̉͗̈ͨ̂͌̊̾́ͩ͗ͫ̅̚͏͙̜̩̺̹͟ ͋̓̓̓̂ͮͩ́̍̍̌̑̏ͭ͋͏͏̦̺̪͠ͅS̡͙̹̺̜̤͍̬̲͇̩ͪͥͫ͒̾̌̄̄ͬ͟n̛ͧ͆͐̏͊̒͛̑̂ͩͣͪ͏͉̼͉̯̖͈̫͕̩ͅͅă̄̓͗ͯ̒̔̿̍̏͏̘͇̪͖͎̰̮͉̭̖̮̦̠̀͢͝i̵̜̖͙̫̿ͨ̌ͣ͒̒́͠l̒̅̈̍̂҉̷̞̙̱̗̹͙̦̤̠̘̝͙̝̤̲̣̥ͅ
It's us.
Post by: Zako on February 21, 2011, 08:20:43 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 21, 2011, 08:57:36 am
How do you come to this conclusion? I'm sure that we saw the rainbow snail at the start of the thread, and it sure didnt look like any of us. (As far as I could tell that is...)We can safely say we are not the rainbow snail.
Post by: Heliman on February 21, 2011, 10:56:27 am
The rainbow snail is just my first guess of where we are. The snail, like us, was with the story to begin with, and, has interacted to both the characters. You may argue that the rainbow snail looks like none of us, but keep in mind that we are legion, who is to say what we look like as a collective, especially in a story where the real form and the true form of people differ so greatly?
I'm just saying, Do Not Trust Yourself.
H͡o̸w͝ éls̛e c͟an͜ ͜we͏ c̸̘͓̊ͥ̾͊͆ͤo͕̦m̙͍̙m̉̂́̿u̎̊͂̀ͪ͏͍̜n͊҉͍̼̼̱͙̦i̩͉̮̱͉̖̠c̪̯a̭̪͚͕̬̭̎͒͡ţ̈́e͇̘͠w̴ith̶ ҉t͢he ch̢os͝e̢n ̴c̵h̵ild͠r͡en i̸n ̶s͘u̴Ch̨̦͙̘͆͆̇̽̀ af̰̻̠̱̼̳̗͕͗̏ͩ̄͂ạ̡̢̲͉̺̫̠͓̪̇͒ͥ̇ͦ͢s͚͈̮̗̳̙̬̞̦ͬ͌̍̅̈͢h̢̨͚̻̖̭̞̅͂ͯ̽ͯį̶̩̲̙ͨ̃ͥ̾ͬ̃̚o̔ͪ̔͏̳̖̹̣̗n̵͈͉̣̯̤̠͒̿̀ ͇̻̤ͫ͋ͯ̇̿́i̧̡͚̲̝̝͕̭̽̅̀̅̽ͦf̧̠͚̮͓̞̞͎͆ͣͣ̽ ̶ͥ̑͆ͮ҉̷̤̦̻̖̰wͯ́̈́̌͏̘͚̀e̯̙̺̫̳̪͆̚͜͜ ̸͍̗͎͍̽ͨͫ̾͑ͧͣ͘ą̟̲͔̰̻͚͓͉̿ͫ̑̽ͣͯ͋̚r̸̨̨̥̳͈̦͓̣͈̊̂ͤ̏̉ͣͭẹ̺̪̠̝̜̖͊͐́n̢͈̟̱̼̦̻͎͐ͫ̽̊̾͑͜ͅ'̊ͦͯ̃͏̛̖̟͖͓͙͚̪̮t̿ͬ͒͆҉̭̩͔̖͖͖ ̸̈́ͮ͜͏̘̯̬̤͕̞̝̲̣b̨̗̬̤̩̠̓͟͠e͍̹͛̏̎̔͛̏ͮ̈i̵̴̦̜̪̘̓̅͋̉̂͐n̷̨̻̘̩̋̌̃ͧ̅ͯͭ̿͞g̋̾҉̞̞̪̙̫s̸̶̡̬̼̣͖͍ͪ́ͭ͑͆ ̨̥̙͍͊ͨ͂ͩ̾͒͢w̉ͨ͏̹̜̜͈̖̞̱į̸̲̹̂ͦ̉ͨ̂ͤ͗́̚͡ṭ̖̩̞̗̬̼͇̅̂̽̈ͨ̅ͫ͆h̗̞͙̬̜͈̗ͪ͐̕ị̮̫͍̣͉̪̐̋ͥͤn̴̸̬̞ͤ͌̽̊̌̈̀ ̯̹͚̙̪̲̳͕͌́̽̎̈̊t̷̼̭̣͕̠͙͍͎̓̑͠h̴̛͚̗̮͉̄͂̈́̀ͣ͌͠e̛̙̖̳͓̮͈̩̰̓ͣ͐ ̴̭̺̜̍͑͂ͮ̏ș̫͋ͧ̀̅͛ͣ̿̐̀̚t͐ͣͦ͋ͦͭ̑ͬ̊҉̗̤̯̦ͅǭ͔͇̯͍̗̹̪͋̏͋͠r͓͇̩̭͚͊͘͠y?
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 21, 2011, 11:06:36 am
Post by: Heliman on February 21, 2011, 11:27:13 am
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 21, 2011, 11:52:58 am
And whose to say that your world isn't a simulation like Sophia's Colorblind city, only contained within the Snail's shell? It doesn't have to be the Snail necessarily and it may never even be implemented as a mechanic, but keep in mind that weirder things have happened.((You made a mistake with the copy here.))butContained within the Snail's shell?
Post by: Heliman on February 21, 2011, 12:04:27 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on February 21, 2011, 12:37:56 pm
We exist only to further.
Our own amusement.
Also,
We are actual
Disembodied voices! :]
Not Exactly.
We Are More Likened To Ideas And Personalities Given Form.
Post by: Argonnek on February 21, 2011, 04:21:27 pm
Post by: Armok on February 21, 2011, 05:28:58 pm
Post by: Scood on February 21, 2011, 05:30:40 pm
Post by: Zako on February 21, 2011, 09:11:17 pm
Why could the angel hear us when we spoke, and indeed, tricked us as well? How did it even know of our existance?
Post by: Darvi on February 21, 2011, 09:50:02 pm
Post by: dragnar on February 21, 2011, 09:53:23 pm
Post by: mcclay on February 23, 2011, 05:06:43 pm
nah man, that could never haappen.
why do you say that my inasne version of myself.
cause the snail seems to work for the prymiad eye thingy wheile we work for ourselves.
true ture.
Post by: Armok on February 23, 2011, 06:09:53 pm
We shouldn't trust the rainbow snail.
if forumites are the rainbow snail, and claim to be the rainbow snail, we should not believe them as that'd constitute trusting the rainbow snail, thus we must believe they are not the rainbow snail.
If forumites are not the rainbow snail, and claim to be the rainbow snail, then they are wrong, and thus we should believe they are not the rainbow snail.
Thus, regardless of other parameters, we should believe the forumites are not the rainbow snail.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 23, 2011, 06:13:24 pm
Foumites claim to be the rainbow snail.I like your logic, good sir. Would you mind telling us your name?
We shouldn't trust the rainbow snail.
if forumites are the rainbow snail, and claim to be the rainbow snail, we should not believe them as that'd constitute trusting the rainbow snail, thus we must believe they are not the rainbow snail.
If forumites are not the rainbow snail, and claim to be the rainbow snail, then they are wrong, and thus we should believe they are not the rainbow snail.
Thus, regardless of other parameters, we should believe the forumites are not the rainbow snail.
Post by: Armok on February 23, 2011, 06:19:22 pm
Post by: mcclay on February 23, 2011, 07:09:34 pm
SSSSSHHHHHHHHH we don't want him do find out who were are dumbass. I thoguh we talked aobut this.
we did but dat git ingored us
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 23, 2011, 07:13:55 pm
I'm Sophias Conscience.Ah. One of the only sane creatures around here.
..."One of"?
Post by: Heliman on February 23, 2011, 09:07:29 pm
Foumites claim to be the rainbow snail.I claim nothing, the first sarcastic comment aside, I merely... s̺͐̉ͧ̃̄ͩ͐ů̞͍̗̲̅͛̇̿ğ̛̟͎̯͕̾ͭgͥͬ̐̎͋̀͐͝e̴s̞ͯ̇̑͒ͭ͗ţ̙ͮ̐ẽ̘̦ͥͬ̅ͤd̛͔̤̹͚̹̦̊͆͐ a̶̛̳̱͔̓̌̈ͮ͟n̰̫͉͍̺̠͙̭̄ͬ͠ e̸̱͖̩̖̦̣̗̿̊̋ͯ̂͌͂̉́̒̓ͥ̄ͩ͊ͦ̌͛́͢v̢̺̥̥͈͈͉̟̭̟̙̜̭͓̪̭͇̱͕͋͐́͒ͦ̎ͫ͋̉̊͡e̔̓́̓̊̎̊̈̄̀͏̤̱̼͖̣͓͚̳͖̩͙̜̙̪̫͡ņ̶͉̜̬̹̝ͨͨ̉̎͊͊̈́̔̐̀̚ͅṯ̙̟̦̜̪̱̦̤͍͇͚̟̬̣̋͋͌̃̽̅͐ͬ͠͝͞ụ̷̦͍͍̯̗̫̤͕͈ͨ̋̐͆̑̃̒͆̌͑͂̑̑͋́͢å̸̸̴̱̥̲̘͍̲̣̯̼̟̼͍͎̱͖̝ͥ̈̾ͭ̊̐̂ͥ̿͐̀͜ͅl̡̡̛͎̙͚̜̏ͯ͗̄̄͋ͭ̽̈̇̿ͧt̸̵̐̿͐̂ͮ̊̑͑͊͗͟͏̪̙̗͚̼̝̺̺̬̼̲̀y̺̬͚̝ͬ̐ͭ̇̓̒̽͌͊͊͋̃ͦ̚͜͟͢͡.
Spoiler: C̡̱̙̯͚̞͖̻͛̈́ͪͮ̚?̫̬̰̹̬̫͊ͮ̈́͐̋̄ͬ̎̚͢ (click to show/hide)
((Well its that, or I could just be spurring a big huff with some outlandish theories to generate enough posts to keep this thread alive and beating, but it could go either way.))
Post by: Scood on February 24, 2011, 12:15:32 am
Post by: Siquo on February 24, 2011, 07:49:37 pm
Post by: The Mad Engineer on February 27, 2011, 03:45:12 pm
Will be working on future updates in the meanwhile, which will probably be a doozy to draw :P
I'd post a summary of the interlude, but that's kinda unneccessary.
Post by: mcclay on February 27, 2011, 07:03:41 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on February 27, 2011, 07:20:20 pm
post a summary of everything.Including the summary?
And just so he won't get to do it:
Post by: Heliman on February 27, 2011, 09:16:39 pm
Ok, that thing again, right ẗ̬̮̝̞̩̳̝͚́ͯ͐h̶̅̓͌̉͑ͦ̀͏̞e̢̧͓̫̹̯͙̭͑ͨͨ̾r̪͈͙͖͔̮̫̭ͣ̑ͯ̄͐̚̕͞e̘̰̙̤̹̬͎ͤͯͅ
Post by: FuzzyZergling on February 28, 2011, 01:33:37 am
Post by: Scood on February 28, 2011, 03:47:18 am
Post by: Zako on February 28, 2011, 07:45:51 am
Post by: Myroc on February 28, 2011, 07:51:48 am
i hate your text zergling, cant you show any sympathy for the color blind like myself it blends too much with the white background.Wait, there's still people who doesn't use the darkling theme. This surprises me.
Post by: dragnar on February 28, 2011, 11:17:15 pm
To be fair, zergling's text it terrible to read in darkling too.i hate your text zergling, cant you show any sympathy for the color blind like myself it blends too much with the white background.Wait, there's still people who doesn't use the darkling theme. This surprises me.
Post by: Heliman on March 01, 2011, 01:20:22 am
EDIT:
Ī̭̯̯̜͓͔̞̲͖̝̩̊͒͛ ̣̘̻̻̜ͤ̊ͫ̋̅̉̏̈ͦ̾ͤ͒͒ͨ̒̒͐s̹͕͚͉̘͓͕̠͇̮͈̻̦͓͔̫͛̓̃ͤ͒̉ͧͭ̓̽̈́͌̄̒̈́̄u̯͇̼͉̬̙͎͖͗̍̐̈̓ͮ̀̂ͮ̌̈́ͪ̓̒ͥ̒ḓ̩̘̻̼͕̺̪̼̤̇̌̔̂̏̋̓̏ͪͥ̍̃ͣ̍d͇͈̝͈̯̻͙̹̜̤͈̣͎̦̯̯̠͚͋ͧ̋̆̃̉ͫ̓̔͌́̈̌̅ĕ̻̝̝̻̑̌̆̍ͭ̀̽͂̎̋ͦ̽̊͌̔̎̎̚n͇̳͎͕͕̯͉̯̠̰̤̩̯̅̑͌̌ͦ̆͒͊̂ͅl͍̬̪̩̖̣̱͚̩͓̠̭̟̜̼̹̪ͫ̅ͧ̽̑̒͌ͣ́̎ͦ̏̓͒̏y͎̣͇̥̱͉̥̋͊̇̀̔ͨ͆ͨ̀ͫ͗̔ͥͥ̓ͥ ̗̠̺̹̺̣͎̳̖̠̣̱̄̋̑̈ͯ͑ͭ̅̒̆ͣͭ̋͗̎̔f̮̞̙̜̩̪̥̝͓͚͙̣̗͐́͋ͫ̚ͅe̗̲͔̠͎̜̯͚̝̿̑̿̾̊̇̂e̪̼̱̬̖͈͚̦̝̜̞͚̩̲͈͔̺̗ͤ̓ͬͮͩͮͯ̃̿͋̅ͣ̋̓̋ͫ͛ͅl̝̳͔͖̱̙̯̻͙̼̳̼̈̐ͫͥ̀̌ͥ̍̔ͩ̊̍͐̋͊̚.̘̮̼̜̪̯̣͙͂ͧ̃̃͌̃͛̄͂͛ͯ͊̍̄.̥̪̘̖̜̺͖͎̻̻̫̦̜̩ͪ͌̒̃ͫͅ.̪̩̫͙̳̜̈ͭ̿͗̎̍͊ͩ̇̐̌̋ͧ͑
F̮̯̬̥̞͚͓̫̾͗ͭ͐̃̽̈ͥ̑̐̈́̉̃̒u͍͉͇̤̟͖̘̱̓͐̇͌͒̉ͦ̏̐n͇̟̦̹̘̪͈̫̺̺̺͊ͨ̋ͭ̿̆͛͑̚n̯͉̭͎̠̩̘͓̯̳̭̱̺͈͕͓̭ͤ͐ͧ̿ͥ͋͋͊̿͒͑̚y̳̫͖̙̲͇̗̬̪̦̱̼͔̎ͪͦ͊̅.̠̖̣̰͚̄͐̉̎͂ͯ̍ͫ.̜̫̗̟̯̪̭̭͔̳ͮͬ̿̅̓̽.̥̟̥̬̰̦̻̥̤̓͆̾͒ͬ̓̓
F̮̯̬̥̞͚͓̫̾͗ͭ͐̃̽̈ͥ̑̐̈́̉̃̒u͍͉͇̤̟͖̘̱̓͐̇͌͒̉ͦ̏̐n͇̟̦̹̘̪͈̫̺̺̺͊ͨ̋ͭ̿̆͛͑̚n̯͉̭͎̠̩̘͓̯̳̭̱̺͈͕͓̭ͤ͐ͧ̿ͥ͋͋͊̿͒͑̚y̳̫͖̙̲͇̗̬̪̦̱̼͔̎ͪͦ͊̅.̠̖̣̰͚̄͐̉̎͂ͯ̍ͫ.̜̫̗̟̯̪̭̭͔̳ͮͬ̿̅̓̽.̥̟̥̬̰̦̻̥̤̓͆̾͒ͬ̓̓
Post by: dwarfguy2 on March 01, 2011, 07:02:58 am
EDIT:Oh, that. No need to worry, you're just possessed by a horrible evil god from another realm. No need to worry, I have a PHD in this sort of thing. I'll prescribe you some pills. Take these two times a day, with food, and follow that up with a reading from the bible.Ī̭̯̯̜͓͔̞̲͖̝̩̊͒͛ ̣̘̻̻̜ͤ̊ͫ̋̅̉̏̈ͦ̾ͤ͒͒ͨ̒̒͐s̹͕͚͉̘͓͕̠͇̮͈̻̦͓͔̫͛̓̃ͤ͒̉ͧͭ̓̽̈́͌̄̒̈́̄u̯͇̼͉̬̙͎͖͗̍̐̈̓ͮ̀̂ͮ̌̈́ͪ̓̒ͥ̒ḓ̩̘̻̼͕̺̪̼̤̇̌̔̂̏̋̓̏ͪͥ̍̃ͣ̍d͇͈̝͈̯̻͙̹̜̤͈̣͎̦̯̯̠͚͋ͧ̋̆̃̉ͫ̓̔͌́̈̌̅ĕ̻̝̝̻̑̌̆̍ͭ̀̽͂̎̋ͦ̽̊͌̔̎̎̚n͇̳͎͕͕̯͉̯̠̰̤̩̯̅̑͌̌ͦ̆͒͊̂ͅl͍̬̪̩̖̣̱͚̩͓̠̭̟̜̼̹̪ͫ̅ͧ̽̑̒͌ͣ́̎ͦ̏̓͒̏y͎̣͇̥̱͉̥̋͊̇̀̔ͨ͆ͨ̀ͫ͗̔ͥͥ̓ͥ ̗̠̺̹̺̣͎̳̖̠̣̱̄̋̑̈ͯ͑ͭ̅̒̆ͣͭ̋͗̎̔f̮̞̙̜̩̪̥̝͓͚͙̣̗͐́͋ͫ̚ͅe̗̲͔̠͎̜̯͚̝̿̑̿̾̊̇̂e̪̼̱̬̖͈͚̦̝̜̞͚̩̲͈͔̺̗ͤ̓ͬͮͩͮͯ̃̿͋̅ͣ̋̓̋ͫ͛ͅl̝̳͔͖̱̙̯̻͙̼̳̼̈̐ͫͥ̀̌ͥ̍̔ͩ̊̍͐̋͊̚.̘̮̼̜̪̯̣͙͂ͧ̃̃͌̃͛̄͂͛ͯ͊̍̄.̥̪̘̖̜̺͖͎̻̻̫̦̜̩ͪ͌̒̃ͫͅ.̪̩̫͙̳̜̈ͭ̿͗̎̍͊ͩ̇̐̌̋ͧ͑
F̮̯̬̥̞͚͓̫̾͗ͭ͐̃̽̈ͥ̑̐̈́̉̃̒u͍͉͇̤̟͖̘̱̓͐̇͌͒̉ͦ̏̐n͇̟̦̹̘̪͈̫̺̺̺͊ͨ̋ͭ̿̆͛͑̚n̯͉̭͎̠̩̘͓̯̳̭̱̺͈͕͓̭ͤ͐ͧ̿ͥ͋͋͊̿͒͑̚y̳̫͖̙̲͇̗̬̪̦̱̼͔̎ͪͦ͊̅.̠̖̣̰͚̄͐̉̎͂ͯ̍ͫ.̜̫̗̟̯̪̭̭͔̳ͮͬ̿̅̓̽.̥̟̥̬̰̦̻̥̤̓͆̾͒ͬ̓̓
Post by: Powder Miner on March 01, 2011, 08:07:17 pm
Post by: Heliman on March 01, 2011, 08:43:07 pm
A͊̌ͤĉͨͪ̂͌͡t̵͊͒ͭ̎ͨ̆uaͦͭͥl̆̇̊̐ͥlͧyͮ̐ͪ,̴̌̏͗̎̈́̓I͢ ͛̐t̓̅́̇͑͗̄h̴̑́͑ͪͨ̈in̅̑k̐̈͟ ̈́̐̀I̍̾ ̋́lik͒ͯ͘e͒ͣ̃̇ͬ ̸̊̏͊ͫt̃̐̅͆͝hͪ͌͗̀͐iŝ ̀be̶t̆͌ͦ͂t̃̂̈ěrͮ͗ͩ̋ͮ̎ͫ.̧̆ͩ̽͌ͬ̾
P͢e̛ŗhap͟s̡ I̴ c͢an̸ cơexi̕s͡t ́with̵ ̛it?
I͈̝̼ w͓i̳̦̼̳͍͝l͔̘͖l͔̫̲ ̟͘f͚̠̯ị̭n̨̩͎͓̬̮̭d̞͚͍̫͈͞ͅ ͈̘̦͈͔̝o̤͢u̯t͘ ͖̟͇͚̣̰͚͘e̯v̵̦̝̘͓͇̹̙ȩ̣̠̣͉̺n҉̦͙̠t͚u͚̘͖̰͈̠̯a̧̪̤͙̱̤͕l̶l͖̞̥̩̦͕̘ý̜̝͍.̱͎͖͍
A̼̭͎̜̼͇̹̞̜̐͛̃ͤͮ͛̆ͧ͑ͨ̽͒ͯ̈̆̐ͬ͡c̴̵̫̼̠̠̼̗͚̭̈̐̽̌ͧţ̨̧̜̬̳͉͇͖̝̣̪̗̙̼̮̼̓͆ͩ̊̈́̌̋ͥͣ͋̎͋͒̂̑ͬu͕̣̲̗̯͍̗̅̇̓́ͭͦ̉̆ͦ͌̓̐̕̕a̵̱̖͚̜̲͕̗͙͖̹̫̺͇͍̹̞̰̦͑̽̅͗̈͆̍ͨ̀̈ͤ̾͗ͧ̀̀ͩ̓̀͠l̨̛̝̙̫̱͎̪̰̓ͣ̏͆̔̀́͘ͅl̨̧̄ͦ͊̎̓͌̂̏̅ͫͯ̀͏͍͇̳̯͚̱͇̻̠̥̪̭͓̲̥̦̭ỵ̧̛̣̪͖̣̻̬̩̟̫̜ͮ̈́̆̒̓̅͂̀̚̚,̴̸̵̘͈͖͔̭͖̘̱̙̻͉̞͉̩̭ͦ̓̐̐ͣ̌ͩ͑͌ͅI̪͚̠̥̭̖̟̰̭̯̟͇͚̓̅̈́̓͗̋͢͟ ̸̨̙̱͕̥̲̤̖̻̠̍̾̐̇̒́̐ͧ͗ͯ͗ͭ̊͒̆͐̉̚t̡̬̠̖̲͓̤̹͙̝͇͉̰͙̪̭̘̗͂̊ͪͩͪ̌̄̇͘͜h̡̢̧͓̬̣͉̥̟̪̲̳̣͙̮̭͎̹̲̉̔̔̍ͣ̒͊͛ͮͮ͊ͧ̆͂ͫͤ̊͜͜ỉ̴̗̘͙̑͗͋ͯ̑̍ͭ͂̅̑͌̓́̚͜ͅn̶̴̢̝͎͎̬͓̙̭͎̱̦̜̗̮̫̠̮̓ͭ̀͋ͧ̿̊ͯ͋̊ͨ̾͐k̶̵͎̞͙͔͔͎͎̙̼̱̤̟̟̝̯̝͈̮̱̒͆ͤ̊̆ͪ̄̅̋̌͒ͣͣͦ͒̒ͪ̚͢͞ ̷̨̠̰͖͖̱̬̩̳̬̝͔̎ͩ͐͌ͪ̂̓Į̡̰̮̯̤̗͈̪̬͉̤̣̝̝̥̺̳͓͈̉͌̉̍ͪͫ͗ͭ̈ͯ͛ͦͩ̒ͫ͆̔̚͜ ̨̥̭͖͖͙̟̼̠͓ͮͤ̋̀́ͩ̐́l̡̨͋ͩ̀̅̈́ͦ̒ͩͬ̔̀͊̚҉̬̜̲͉̩̥i̵͕̺̳̳͉̠̥͔͍̩ͦ̓͐́̅͂̈ͧͥͮ͗͟k̶̶͚͈̜̗̩̻͓̼̤̟͇̩̫̗̣̑̐͗̈ͪͮe̘̩̰̠̮̞̬̤̩̫̟̋̔ͮͫͪͤ́̿̔̎̈͜͢͞ͅ ͒̋̐͋̅ͭ͗̓̊ͨͨ̀̚͝͏҉̸̞͚͚̦̟ẗ̸̰͓̻̫͇͙̠̟̖̹̖̅͛ͤ̐ͅh̛͙̻̮̦̭̭͖͇̤͔̱̆̔ͣ̋͆ͨͥ͊̽ͯ̂̃ͩ̀ͅi̵̢̙̣̦͚̥̳̳̱̥̻͓̙̰̤̙͕ͩ͑̓͌ͥͫͮ̒ͣ̊̈̚͘͜ͅs̢̛̬̮͉̹̙̪̦͖̯͚̄̋̈͒́ͮ́̉̂ͮͭ̒͊̉ͥ̈́ͨ̀ͅ ̶̴̨͈̺̞͉̘̬̝̺̫̫͓̰͙̹̯̏ͥ̓͛ͥ̈͗̓̂ͩ̓ͣ͋̽͐ͨ͛̓̕ͅb̷̵͉̟͔̣̤̳͎̜͎͈̙̲̮̤͚̦̅̈́̏̌͑͑͋͗̿ͯ̊̏̈͌̿̕͡eͦ̐͌ͪ͏̠̬͉̠̮̫̝̳͈̭̱̙͙͜͝t̡̙̗͖̜̜̦̥̘̪̠̬̫̪͎̘͔͍͔̹̍ͯ̑͑̏͑̔ͭͬ͆̀͜t͑̄̅͆͂̉̈́̔͗͗̇̚͏̣̜̖̟͇̘̗̳͞ȩ̵̸̶̬͈͉͓̱̬͚̪̗͚̰̳̲̖͕̱͓ͬ̏̑́ͪ̑̈́̂̅̒̆ͅř̢̧͖̜͖̪͕̲͈̥̗̫͍̠̘͙͓̺̞̠͆̆ͧ̊ͭ̉̿͛̔̃̏ͥͣ̍̏̈̕͡͞.̷̷̦̩̻̗͓̮͖̓̏ͦ̎ͧ̃͋ͮ̊ͥ̅̽̓̄͆́͟ͅP̃͗ͬ̄͌͏̧̨̣̘̹̙̫͎̻̱̰͔̫͟͢e̵̢̡̥̘̲̭̺̩̽ͬ̐͛̾͆ͫ̿ͣ̚̕ṛ̴͖̰͙̮̖̳̥̗̜̜̇ͨ͆̇͐͆̕͘h̷̢̖̖̘̺̹̘̹͌͊ͭ͆ͬ̓͌̆̄ͨ̇ͭ͂̍̂ͩ̀ā͓̹͎͔͎̣͓̬̰̘̘̪̉ͭͯ̏ͯ͑͒ͮ̀̚͢͜͜p̶̸̨͔̤̝̘̱̹͙̻̱̥͈̭̺͇͇̱̤͙̝ͮͧ͑͐̍̒̃̚͘͡s̶̨̹͍̥̦̠̬ͨ͑̇͊̇ͬ̐̅̎́͜ ͗̈̌ͩ̈́͝҉͙͎̩͔̳́I̸̢̮̟̜̻̟͎̰̲̝̹̠ͮ̏͊ͦ̿͛̒ͨ̈́̃ͩ̊ͩ̌̐̂̓̚͠ͅ ̶̡̛͖͙̪̪̓͐̍c̊̏ͧ͐͗͋ͥ̏ͧͭ̾̚̚͏̡͉̮̻̬̀͘å͔̼͈̯̗̠͎̱͐́̒̽ͦ͒ͣ͘͞n̖͕̮̱̝͖͉̥̣̗̥̦̝͎̖̹̪̓͆̂͂̓́̾̃̀͊́͘͢͝ͅ ̹̩̜̖̩̲̤̭̙ͮͣͣ̐̕͟͜ C ơ̵̧̜̜͈̙̜̐̽̑́̃͊ͤͬ͂͟eͪͩͥͪ̈́̔̈́́̽ͣ͒ͤ͆̐͗ͪ͏̷̧͙͎̦̬̟̹̜͍̹̤̦̰̬̕͟x̛͚̹͓͕̹̥̞͈̮̟̹͈͇̳̗̞͍̰ͭ̊ͧ̅͌̌ͮ̉̅͌̆͐ͮ̕i̴̟̥̺̙̝̳͉̺̼̹͕̻̞̼ͯ̊ͩ̌ͦ͡s̡̄̂̏͋̚҉̨̗͇͙̠̹͍̟͕͔̖̘̗͎͍t̹̯̤̤̞͇̠̖͓̬̅ͦ͋̉̾ͭͯ͂ͥ̈́̀ ̷͇͕̳̻̱̰͕̜ͦ̾̇͂w̵̶̴̛̰̗͙̪͖̥͗̄̓̓ͥ̈́͑͊̏ͧͨ̀ͣ̆ͭ̂͝ì͛̎͋҉̶̣͈̫̫͓͙̖̪͎͡ͅt͗ͮͭ̋͝͞͠҉͙͚̣̳̼̰̖̳̲̭̪̣͓̠͙̖̼̳ͅḧ̡͉͚̲͚̱͎̗̜̱̻̘̗͖̗̩͒̇ͫ͆ͫ̽̀́͡ ͔̲̻̲̠̺̹̰̤̥͚̯̞̫̙ͣ̑̄̀͑̾̑́̾ͮͧ̉ͧͣ̒̑̚͘͞į̝̗̻͚̜͉͙̖̱͖̲͔̳̯̻̟̩̲̹̉̑ͯ̽̌̓̃̆̾ͫ̒ͮ̈́͌̾ͣ͞t͐̓̂ͭ̇̍ͩͫͥͬͩ̽̉̅̚͏̛̣͕̻͕̗̪̹̜͇̬͖͙́ ?
((anything to keep the thread interesting, I always say.))
Post by: Argonnek on March 01, 2011, 08:47:52 pm
Post by: Heliman on March 01, 2011, 08:55:22 pm
̨̛̲̙͇̮͈͇̱̤̰̼̖͍͓̲͙̰͉ͨ̊̑̆z̭͔̯̜̤̗͈͖̱͙̺̯̠͈ͧ̽̾̀ͭͨ̀̀̄̍̌̓ͯ̍̉͐ͥ͂͆̅ͧ́͊̉̈̈́̕͏̢̦͕̥̜̗͞a̵̡̬̺̙͖̘͚̽̒͛́̏͒ͧ̄͘͢͡!̄͗̆̂ͯ̐̈́͋̀̿̃̋̉̀͌͋͝͏̻̻̬͔̘̖̘̳͖̗̹̳̱ͅͅļ̵̴̴̡̗̼̳̣̫̣̻̼̟̫̰͎͇̜̪̜͕̬̦̠̦̝̜̎͆ͬͤ́̊̃̅̃̀̔͊̽͛͒ͤ̋̀̓̂̔ͤ̇̅̚͢͜͡͡ͅg̴̵̵̵͎̤̜̲̳̥̻̯̱̟̰̺̟̤͕̤̪̤̣̭̥̝͍ͧ͆̊̌̂͆ͬ̔͊͊̈́͂͛ͦ͂͗ͮ̈́͘ǫ̗̟̰̰͉̟̬̦̳̣̒̄̐ͭ͌̍̉̎̅͆̒̑̾̓ͯ̒̍̍̂͒ͧ͜͏͜͏̼̯̗̙͖̙̻͍̝̯̮͘ͅ ̨͕͔̫̹̘̜͙͆̈̊͑͌͗̍̐͗ͤ̽̓ͪ̒̓ͩ͌̓̿͝ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSf9aEETnvE)
Post by: FuzzyZergling on March 01, 2011, 10:48:03 pm
Seriously.
I've been trying to find out how to do that.
Since time started.
Tell me.
Post by: Heliman on March 01, 2011, 11:34:22 pm
Post by: Scood on March 02, 2011, 01:24:39 am
Post by: Heliman on March 02, 2011, 01:34:52 am
Post by: Powder Miner on March 03, 2011, 11:07:08 pm
Post by: mcclay on March 05, 2011, 12:23:34 pm
Post by: Powder Miner on March 07, 2011, 08:17:20 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on March 07, 2011, 11:03:38 pm
Post by: mcclay on March 07, 2011, 11:37:50 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on March 08, 2011, 05:15:07 pm
Of course a Sophia memo would be pretty cool...
Spoiler: open memo (click to show/hide)
>Sophia: become Future Sophia
Not quite yet. You need to break out of this crippling depression first. Another few memos and maybe you'll be ready. Or maybe you'll just be tired of listening to those two morons fighting.
Those two morons who are you.
Where's that happy pill when you need it?
Post by: dwarfguy2 on March 15, 2011, 05:25:31 pm
Post by: mcclay on March 15, 2011, 05:44:03 pm
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on March 15, 2011, 05:45:29 pm
Post by: mcclay on March 15, 2011, 05:51:23 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on March 15, 2011, 05:52:45 pm
Liar. You Lied. Things Did Happen. The WorldBalloon Popped.I happen to know a simple solution for all this.
This isn't plan "We quit the project, Dr Roid commits suicide because he's a useless moron, and I drink until I can't remember my name", is it?
There's a 7% chance it's not.
Post by: mcclay on March 15, 2011, 06:43:00 pm
I.. I hate you...
sorry! it was to hard to resist.
Kay, just don't do it agian.
kay, wow, was I just repramiaded by Insainity. Things must really be fucked up.
Post by: dwarfguy2 on March 15, 2011, 06:44:24 pm
Post by: Argonnek on March 15, 2011, 07:04:04 pm
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on March 15, 2011, 07:06:58 pm
Post by: mcclay on March 15, 2011, 07:14:58 pm
Post by: Heliman on March 16, 2011, 02:37:37 am
no it didn'. You must be thinking of someplace elese.
Spoiler: How does this not make sense to you? (click to show/hide)
Post by: Scood on March 17, 2011, 03:26:21 am
Post by: Powder Miner on March 18, 2011, 01:57:24 pm
Post by: Scood on March 19, 2011, 02:02:43 pm
Post by: Armok on March 19, 2011, 02:41:05 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on March 19, 2011, 03:17:27 pm
Shut up Dr. Ger.
Post by: Karnewarrior on March 19, 2011, 07:52:50 pm
Spoiler: Tik2Tok (click to show/hide)
Post by: mcclay on March 19, 2011, 10:49:30 pm
Edit: crap, I have no ideas, srry.
Post by: Powder Miner on March 27, 2011, 09:52:56 pm
Post by: mcclay on March 27, 2011, 09:56:52 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on March 27, 2011, 10:24:41 pm
Snail?
Snaiiiil!
Oh will you shut up.
Post by: mcclay on March 27, 2011, 10:47:03 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on March 27, 2011, 11:40:46 pm
He has no balls to kick.
HEY! >:{
Choleric Is Correct
We Manifest Bodies And Objects Using Mental Energy
If Choleric Wished To Kick Sanguine In The Testicles
He Would Have To Wait For Sanguine To Manifest Testicles For Himself
Or, He Could Manifest Sanguine Some Balls Using His Own Willpower.
But Then, They Wouldn't Be Sanguine's Balls, They Would Be Choleric's Balls Attached To Sanguine.
So, that means I own his balls. >:]
Hate.
Hate all of you.
So much.
Post by: mcclay on March 27, 2011, 11:46:39 pm
Post by: mcclay on April 04, 2011, 05:25:59 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on April 04, 2011, 06:05:36 pm
Post by: mcclay on April 04, 2011, 06:51:04 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on April 04, 2011, 07:44:50 pm
Post by: FuzzyZergling on April 04, 2011, 07:47:17 pm
Post by: mcclay on April 04, 2011, 09:40:13 pm
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on April 05, 2011, 03:03:48 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on April 05, 2011, 04:05:58 pm
Jolly, good fun, eh, what, old bean?JAHWOL!
You get out of here.
Post by: mcclay on April 05, 2011, 06:42:38 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on April 06, 2011, 11:59:28 am
Who the crap are you?
Oh, just a moderately evil, fourth-wall-breaking scientist who appeared for absolutely no reason.
Is it bad that I'm getting used to this?
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on April 06, 2011, 12:12:47 pm
Post by: dwarfguy2 on April 06, 2011, 12:44:23 pm
Post by: Karnewarrior on April 07, 2011, 02:34:13 pm
Okay, where the fuck is ME. Maybe I can try to get Andrew Hussie to contiune the project.He hath not the skill to continue this project.
Post by: mcclay on April 07, 2011, 05:13:41 pm
Post by: Powder Miner on May 10, 2011, 09:57:46 pm
Post by: mcclay on June 03, 2011, 03:04:46 pm
Post by: Twi on June 22, 2013, 06:25:01 pm
Post by: Powder Miner on June 22, 2013, 06:25:40 pm
Post by: Twi on June 22, 2013, 06:29:11 pm
Mad Engineer himself is in need of a 0.75-year-ish bump, as well. :L
Post by: freeformschooler on June 22, 2013, 06:44:08 pm
Post by: Armok on June 22, 2013, 06:51:14 pm
Post by: mcclay on June 22, 2013, 08:10:38 pm
Oh man I miss this thing :( #nostalgiaOh man, this so much.
Post by: filiusenox on June 26, 2013, 01:36:24 pm
Oh man I miss this thing :( #nostalgiaOh man, this so much.
Post by: Powder Miner on June 26, 2013, 01:48:32 pm
It won't bring it back. If it's been inactive, whether for a few years, or from now a few days, that is because it is dead.