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Dwarf Fortress => DF Dwarf Mode Discussion => Topic started by: WolfeyS on March 28, 2012, 01:38:00 pm
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This is mostly a rant, but I'd also like some opinions here. Pretty much every adult in my fort is ecstatic, with a few happy and about 2 just okay. However my children are almost all in tantrums, I'd say about 15 out of my 40 some are going around punching things, wrecking shit. My farms have to be replanted every 10 minutes or so. My commander doesn't do anything, because they are children(I guess?). I wish he would go over and bop them (really hard) with his crossbow. Jamming something through something. BUT NOOO, So I'm stuck with all these little assholes that are a bigger threat than the siege outside right now.
How do you guys curb this?
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Trap kids one by one in a room with the fortress vampire?
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Might be because they have bad thoughts about not having clothes. I just started stockpiling extra clothing, and the problem disappeared for me.
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Dig a new area toward the bottom of your fort and put a burrow that only covers this new area labelled 'playground' or something like that. Make it sealable with a drawbridge.
Once the little rascals have all wandered into their new playpen (optionally stocked with beds, food and booze/water) seal them in. Remember to include holes in the top of this room for throwing down additional supplies should they need it, or for flooding with water/magma if you just want them gone.
Simple.
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Clothing, that sounds like it is the problem. But i'd rather my dwarves just stop having children. Honestly.
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set the init_d to have 0 children
children always cause problems, I never know what I have to make to keep the stocks ready for one to grow up. Also, they get very unhappy as baby because they don't get a drink of alcohol...
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Ehem.
Have them killed. Nothing solves a problem quite as effectively as simply having it killed.
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I had 15 naked children when I made the move from .05 to .06. I did not have any surplus clothing either.
2 adult dwarves started tantruming, and 5 children. No one died or got injured. I lost a lever and a door, which were easily replaced.
Solution: give them clothing.
The tantruming persisted quite a while after I got them clothes, and babies turning into children started tantruming as well
Solution: build a single well-designed mist generator in a deserving location.
As of the past few fortress years, none of the 7 babies that grew up to be children tantrumed anymore. Happy thoughts from mist are enough to compensate. Soon enough, a new child will have their first meal in that splendid dining room, and have it's first booze, and will be ecstatic like everyone else.
Conclusion: people complaining about bad thoughts from clothing (especially for children) are overreacting a bit IMO. They need to give this new situation a chance before asking for it to be nerfed. I think you have grown a bit too accustomed to how easy it has been the past versions to keep dwarves happy.
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Or the fact that 80 some children are hard to clothe when I have 1 birth every minute, if not more. Turned the child cap down so hopefully I can actually manage it.
Swear I have about 200 babies.
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Or the fact that 80 some children are hard to clothe when I have 1 birth every minute, if not more. Turned the child cap down so hopefully I can actually manage it.
Swear I have about 200 babies.
I can agree that that is *a bit much*
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Once Toady comes out with the next version this won't be a problem since he removed the naked thoughts from children since the clothing part of the program doesn't like them as much.
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I solved the problem by having a bunch of peasants *accidentally* die, the clothing was distributed amongst everyone and happy thoughts were had. 'Unrelated' question, can lavafalls generate happiness like waterfalls?
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Ehem.
Have them killed. Nothing solves a problem quite as effectively as simply having it killed.
sigged.
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I solved the problem by having a bunch of peasants *accidentally* die, the clothing was distributed amongst everyone and happy thoughts were had. 'Unrelated' question, can lavafalls generate happiness like waterfalls?
They generate plenty of happiness and excitement, but it isn't for the dwarves.
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I haven't really had a problem with the babies growing into children, but then I started afresh. They seem to have a grace period once they hit being a child and dash off to the clothing closet where they spend their time joyfully rummaging around in the +pig tail fiber socks+.
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*fond memories of 40d, when children suffered from the "Paris Hilton" syndrome.*
Now? Now they run around naked, screaming their bearded heads off, demanding ultrananny. (I doubt super-nanny could cope.)
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Children are the new !FUN!
They demand resources, tend to ignore burrows and do nothing but socialize all day, thus charging up the self-destruct tantrum engine. I don't know if the population explosion is intentional on Toady's part, but as of now kids will have the fort eventually plunge into a tantrum spiral.
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This seems to only be an issue in forts carried over from the last release. In my fresh fort, babies become children then immediately get dressed without a single negative clothing-related thought.
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They only get dressed if you have clothes, and I don't have clothes for 50+ dwarves.
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I just had a child in a tantrum throw a stone straight through my legendary dwarf's shoulder and instantly killing him.
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Thankfully my recent fort had babies disabled in the init files before upgrading. Only 2 children from a migrant wave to contend with, and they promptly grabbed clothes to wear.
I have since enabled babies, since it is apparent I won't get more migrants....
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I just had a child in a tantrum throw a stone straight through my legendary dwarf's shoulder and instantly killing him.
Erm... Shoulder? What the heck? ???
The only way that sounds even remotely plausible is if the stone jammed the poor fella's shoulder into his spine/brain/heart. It doesn't really matter though, sounds like you have a natural born killer. To the military screen! ...In several years...
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No, to the military training simulation booth!
12 years of complete isolation with nothing but a pet badger for company will turn that strapping young child into a bullroaring berzerker without fail!
See the "dwarven child care" thread for detals!
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Sounds like they're chimping due to a lack of clothes, make some socks + pants
Ive had the same issue - my children all are in the "fine" mood range, the ones with military parents tend to be unhappy.
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Been wondering how much clothing I need, Socks and pants, or do I need a shirt too?
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I had a male miner cry on the expedition leader's shoulder and attend thereputic meetings after wearing a Xxpigtail shirtxX, and having it rot off of him, "exposing" him.
Not that it was my fault mind. I had a stack of 50 brown recluse silk outfits (including caps, gloves, socks and shoes) sitting in the stockpile he could have picked from.
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Been wondering how much clothing I need, Socks and pants, or do I need a shirt too?
Are they getting bad thoughts about lack of shirts? If so, you need shirts, too. If they're getting bad thoughts about lack of chairs, you need more chairs. If they're getting bad thoughts about lack of ear spoons, you need to get more ear spoons. There's a pattern here, can you spot it? ;)
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I've just been doing shirt/pants/socks/shoes.
The older dwarves will harvest the fresh stuff when what they have goes xpig tail shirtx or whatever, in some cases the kids will pick these up and use them. It makes a nice temporary stop gap, as the tailors continue their work.
At present, I'm having to refine my farming, since I'm ahead on cloth and clothes, behind on dyeing, and way behind on milling with 3 milling stations, and way behind with the plants, since I'm staring at 900 total plants. Going to cut down the seasons on booze and flour producing plants.
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Been wondering how much clothing I need, Socks and pants, or do I need a shirt too?
Are they getting bad thoughts about lack of shirts? If so, you need shirts, too. If they're getting bad thoughts about lack of chairs, you need more chairs. If they're getting bad thoughts about lack of ear spoons, you need to get more ear spoons. There's a pattern here, can you spot it? ;)
Dwarves are demanding little buggers?
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trap all the children in a one by one room with 12 years worth of food and booze then drop some dogs in
it is like dwarven Sparta
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I know that feel. On my year two fort, about thirty of my sixty population are migrant children. For a while I just let them do whatever, but with ambushes starting to show up I've found a use for them.
On a related topic, a young child's body is able to hold a lot more arrows than you'd think.
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dwarven children = bastard crumb snatchers. they've eaten my dwarves out of house and home.