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Dwarf Fortress => DF General Discussion => Topic started by: SomeGuy3 on September 21, 2020, 06:33:02 am

Title: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: SomeGuy3 on September 21, 2020, 06:33:02 am
It could very possibly be, since he is always present in the worlds he creates (being noticed by his inhabitants is another thing), but, is he the one true god of those worlds? It's like the Elder Scrolls series and Chim, there's a one true creator of this world (the Godhead, or in this case Armok) that made a vast world with inhabitants, those inhabitants have their own religions (Aedras, Daedras and Saints, or in Dwarf Fortress, the civilization's gods and objects of worship).
Are those religions actually true? Armok made them and they're gonna disappear when Armok gets bored and new worlds with new deities will appear, but Armok will be always there.
Idk, just a weird thought i've been having for a few days
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 21, 2020, 06:48:44 am
No.
I mean it's a nice thing to muse about, but you gotta remember it's just something made up by fans who like the title of the original game (which DF unfortunately inherited, but looks like they've dropped it or at least hidden it well for Steam release).

Would completely cripple game development if it were made an actual thing considering the origins of each world/universe are to be individually generated.

But, enough of that. Ignore me and have fun with another Armok is the Player theory thread.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: PatrikLundell on September 21, 2020, 07:34:48 am
Well, you could, of course, use the theory that the player is Armok as Shonai_Dweller mentioned, or that Armok is one tier above the universe, so Armok creates each universe and seeds it, after which the gods appear and shape the universe, while Armok makes some popcorn and sits down to watch the mess unfold, or any other theory that strikes your fancy.

Regardless, it's not an actual part of the game itself.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Armok100% on September 21, 2020, 07:12:33 pm
Armok's endless lust for BLOOD is what drives him to forge and unforge the universe every so often. The other gods are just window dressing, for otherwise his playthings wouldn't go to war or seek to end the lives of their enemies or any of those vile and sickly sweet things we've come to know and love.  He wants to make your nose run and your eyes water. And of course, he finds great joy in this, as should you, you know? There's a reason most animals bleed and why unbleeding creatures such as the famed bronze colossi are evil, and why dwarves would rather spill a man's guts out and bleed him slowly instead of ending their unfortunate victim with a swift blow to the chin, and that reason is of course, that the alternative would not be entertaining to the Master of Everything now, would it? Only through long, arduous battles against an adversary can heroes and legends be made, and of course, without heroes there'd be no legends to entertain Armok and so on. I think get the gist of it by now.

So keep this in mind while you're separating your crust from the cream, my good friend, and you'll quickly benefit from the Master's favor.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Egan_BW on September 21, 2020, 07:42:08 pm
Eventually, we will be able to generate worlds with lower amounts of grimness and violence, even without death. Where will your blood god be then, forumers?
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Capntastic on September 21, 2020, 07:58:49 pm
Armok is the god of determining if your arm is okay or not.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: SomeGuy3 on September 22, 2020, 10:07:24 am
Armok is the god of determining if your arm is okay or not.
This guy gets it
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Rose on September 22, 2020, 10:58:44 am
Armok is the god of determining if your arm is okay or not.
Came here to say pretty much this. More specifically, he is the god of having a working arm, nothing more, nothing less.

He is important, because without working arms you're significantly impaired, but he did not create the world.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Eric Blank on September 22, 2020, 01:36:57 pm
The god of blood, for those without functioning arms cannot defend themselves. He demands sacrifices, and cripples the valuable if he doesn't receive them. Nobody wants their legendary weaponsmith to be crippled. Kill viciously and often.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: George_Chickens on September 22, 2020, 04:10:47 pm
Eventually, we will be able to generate worlds with lower amounts of grimness and violence, even without death. Where will your blood god be then, forumers?
Endless wrestling of the enemies of Armok, gouging their eyes and snapping their limbs for eternity, in His name.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 23, 2020, 04:25:37 pm
Eventually, we will be able to generate worlds with lower amounts of grimness and violence, even without death. Where will your blood god be then, forumers?
Endless wrestling of the enemies of Armok, gouging their eyes and snapping their limbs for eternity, in His name.
Pretty sure that counts as violence.  :)
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Nordlicht on September 23, 2020, 07:32:03 pm
The god of blood, for those without functioning arms cannot defend themselves. He demands sacrifices, and cripples the valuable if he doesn't receive them. Nobody wants their legendary weaponsmith to be crippled. Kill viciously and often.


God of Blood and working arms, yes. But in a good sense. He is the wholesome god of well-being and health. Of living a happy, healthy and productive life with your arms ok and healthy blood flowing IN your veins.

That's why he's absent in the game.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Egan_BW on September 23, 2020, 07:44:07 pm
God of Blood and working arms, yes. But in a good sense. He is the wholesome god of well-being and health. Of living a happy, healthy and productive life with your arms ok and healthy blood flowing IN your veins.

Made me think of:

Quote
To train with the sword, first master sweeping. When you have mastered sweeping, you must master the way of drawing water. Once you have learned how to draw water, you must split wood. Once you have split wood, you must learn the arts of finding the fine herbs in the forest, the arts of writing, the arts of paper making, and poetry writing. You must become familiar with the awl and the pen in equal measure. When you have mastered all these things you must master building a house. Once your house is built, you have no further need for a sword, since it is an ugly piece of metal and its adherents idiots.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: George_Chickens on September 24, 2020, 07:33:24 am
Eventually, we will be able to generate worlds with lower amounts of grimness and violence, even without death. Where will your blood god be then, forumers?
Endless wrestling of the enemies of Armok, gouging their eyes and snapping their limbs for eternity, in His name.
Pretty sure that counts as violence.  :)
Lower amounts of grimness and violence and without death are not an absence of violence. I have faith He will protect our right to sacrifice.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: King Zultan on September 25, 2020, 05:38:14 am
Maybe he's a god for blood and arms and only blood and severed arms can worship him.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on September 25, 2020, 07:14:00 am
Maybe he's a god for blood and arms and only blood and severed arms can worship him.
Weighing up the pros and cons, I'd say there are very few circumstances in which I'd refer to my severed arms as OK.

Armok, God of miraculous mountain rescue stories?
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: recon1o6 on September 28, 2020, 06:25:23 am
I've always thought of Armok as god of blood and magma, what with magma being the blood of the earth
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: A Thing on September 29, 2020, 02:37:05 pm
We always say he's the god of blood and violence, but what if he's just a doctor god.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Urist McUristUrist on September 30, 2020, 08:22:29 am
The game itself is Armok
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: muldrake on October 10, 2020, 07:48:15 pm
Armok doesn't actually exist in the game.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on October 10, 2020, 08:00:44 pm
The entire universe and everything in it except for the game Dwarf Fortress is Armok.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: A_Curious_Cat on October 10, 2020, 09:07:43 pm
Huh?  I thought the farce that permeates the land was supreme over all.  Including this Armok person.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: muldrake on October 10, 2020, 09:19:15 pm
Armok is an idiot.  He can do nothing.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Egan_BW on October 10, 2020, 09:20:31 pm
There is only Pathos.
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: King Zultan on October 11, 2020, 04:42:13 am
If we are all secretly Pathos and Pathos is god, does that mean we're all gods and don't realize it?
Title: Re: Is Armok the one and true god?
Post by: Egan_BW on October 11, 2020, 01:09:46 pm
Who says I don't realize it, Pathos?